| 00:00.01 | nsadmin | http://jordanu.dyndns.org/grub/grub_info_manual.html#Images |
| 00:00.03 | abrotman | nsadmin: is there anything complicated about your systems that you wouldn't want to use it ? |
| 00:00.52 | nsadmin | ok, so I have 3 systems atm... a laptop I want to replace the internal hd of, this (my main desktop) and my gateway |
| 00:00.59 | tjadog | syslq: isn't that configured in httpd.conf ? |
| 00:01.13 | nsadmin | the laptop is pretty complex right now, the desktop is simpler |
| 00:01.42 | syslq | tjadog: yes I'm looking at it, but how the hell does system know, since it first has to start apache and apache parses it's conf.files |
| 00:01.46 | nsadmin | the thing about the desktop is I have an old chainload for windows on it, not sure I want to get rid of it |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | nsadmin: just keep a rescue CD handy? but i haven't needed one yet |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | grub2 can boot windows |
| 00:02.04 | nsadmin | probably the simplest is the gw |
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| 00:02.44 | Tramp | syslq: it starts as root, since it has to bind to port 80 by default. Then it changes to its configured user |
| 00:02.50 | nsadmin | is there such thing as a rescue PXE? I think I forgot to connect the cdrom of the gw |
| 00:03.36 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: It can be done, but it ain't simple from scratch. |
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| 00:03.46 | syslq | Tramp: that makes sense, thanks |
| 00:03.53 | Tramp | yw |
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| 00:04.06 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: ltsp is the closest to plug & play |
| 00:04.18 | syslq | Tramp: so sshd and others follow this practice, I forgot only root can bind to <1024 |
| 00:04.21 | nsadmin | oh, probably would be better to connect the cdrom then |
| 00:04.43 | tjadog | ok so when i installed debian I had it install database which gave me postgres 8.3 ... however I want to compile postgres 8.4 so how do I "uninstall" the postgres 8.3 that was installed during setup? |
| 00:04.56 | Tramp | syslq: sshd runs as root. Its forked child (after you connect) at some point switches to the user |
| 00:05.24 | nsadmin | you actually don't need to uninstall postgres... there's a common package that also has mechanism to let postgresses coexist |
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| 00:05.50 | syslq | Tramp: what is the cleanest mechanism for forcing any daemon to run under arbitrary user? (googling phrase is enough)thanks |
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| 00:06.10 | nsadmin | and you don't have to compile 8.4 I think; it might be in backports |
| 00:06.14 | tjadog | nsadmin: oh cool, but what if I want to free up that disk space? do I just remove the folder for the 8.3 ? |
| 00:06.31 | nsadmin | oh, you really don't want it? |
| 00:06.39 | nsadmin | just uninstall I suppose |
| 00:06.47 | abrotman | tjadog: you remove the package |
| 00:06.50 | tjadog | lol yeah my partition is only 20gb righ tnow :) |
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| 00:07.04 | tjadog | I mean I coujld gpart it but id rather try to keep mean n lean |
| 00:07.04 | Tramp | syslq: I may not get the question. If you want to run a daemon as a user, either start it as that user or make the daemon change to this user (which requires it to be started as root) |
| 00:07.04 | nsadmin | oh, how large is your drive? |
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| 00:07.26 | crocz | hello everyone I got a little problem |
| 00:07.27 | syslq | Tramp thanks |
| 00:07.29 | Tramp | syslq: but you cannot start a daemon as "foo" and then switch to "bar" |
| 00:07.43 | tjadog | nsadmin: 300gb however I have win7 too ... ideally Id like a partition that can be read/write by both debian and windows |
| 00:07.58 | syslq | Tramp: I can do that by modifying scripts in /etc/init.d I guess |
| 00:08.11 | abrotman | crocz: so ask |
| 00:08.21 | crocz | I have a router (used to be etch before I upgraded this evening) and at 11 am this morning it jjust started messing up |
| 00:08.54 | Tramp | syslq: what you can or cannot depends on the damon. I think, howerer, the "start-stop-daemon" tool has a provision to switch to a specific user |
| 00:09.05 | crocz | people on my network started losing their connection and finally they were unnable to connect to the file server |
| 00:09.09 | nsadmin | tjadog, there are a few ways to do that, but linux needs space in a filesystem that has unix semantics so that it can run |
| 00:09.16 | Tramp | syslq: see man start-stop-daemon, as usual, for details :) |
| 00:09.48 | syslq | Tramp: that is what I was looking for, thanks a lot |
| 00:09.51 | nsadmin | you can mount a fat32 partition to share it |
| 00:09.55 | crocz | and phone and everything... at first I shut down the mail server and tried. then the fileserver and tried ... and then the AD server ... nothing |
| 00:10.05 | crocz | I tried rebooting my switches and it worked |
| 00:10.16 | Tramp | syslq: welcome |
| 00:10.26 | Voldenet | tjadog, why won't you just use ext3 or ntfs? |
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| 00:10.31 | crocz | so I thought it was that... I changed them but now it's just the same... it seems like it's a routing problem |
| 00:10.38 | tjadog | nsadmin: yeah thats probably that I would want to do, I have a "data" partition on my windows that is currently ntfs but could make it fat32 and share between windows and debian |
| 00:10.39 | crocz | but I have NO CLUE as to what it is |
| 00:10.42 | Voldenet | I am pretty sure ntfs can be modified under linux |
| 00:11.34 | tjadog | Voldenet: it is ntfs right now, I can "see" it but when I clean on that data partition it says: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'DATA'. |
| 00:11.51 | tjadog | clean should = click |
| 00:11.57 | crocz | the router has 3 interfaces. 1 for the net and phone (Double play Optical Fiber network ) th second IP phone and the 3rd computer network |
| 00:11.59 | abrotman | crocz: a routing problem? or more like a "Sorry, I got tired, taking a nap now" on your touer ? |
| 00:11.59 | nsadmin | you could probably mount the ntfs partition without too much trouble... I tend to chase people away from doing that since any time they want, microsoft could change ntfs in some secret way rendering all future ntfs partitions useless to linux |
| 00:12.04 | Voldenet | aptitude install ntfs-3g |
| 00:12.13 | nsadmin | but as it stands now, it works pretty well |
| 00:12.25 | Voldenet | mount -t ntfs-3g -o noatime /dev/sda1 /media/win7 |
| 00:12.29 | syslq | Voldenet: ntfs-3g works properly it's just that sometimes you delete file but reference on that file remains and it's bitch to remove since it does not exist. Catch22 :). |
| 00:12.37 | crocz | abrotman: it worked fine for two years... and it was working today up to around 11 |
| 00:12.56 | Tramp | crocz: but so both e.g. fileserver and clients are on the "computer network", and the router is not involved, is it? |
| 00:12.56 | abrotman | crocz: have you tried removing 1/2 of the internal part at all ? |
| 00:13.11 | Voldenet | syslq, what you mean by "you delete file but reference on that file remains" |
| 00:13.18 | tjadog | syslq: delete file where? win? linux?' |
| 00:13.29 | crocz | Tramp: he just plays the role of a GW and nothing else |
| 00:13.49 | crocz | abrotman: yes changed all net cards |
| 00:14.00 | Tramp | crocz: yes. But you said clients lost connectivity to the fileserver - and at this point the router is not involved at all, if I get your setup right |
| 00:14.12 | Tramp | crocz: since both fileserver and its clients are in the same network |
| 00:14.16 | syslq | I have deleted file on linux but was visible afterwards on windows client |
| 00:14.24 | Voldenet | Well, i believe there is ext2 driver for windows |
| 00:14.26 | syslq | But could not be deleted since it does not exist |
| 00:14.46 | crocz | yes to the file server because that's the first thing they noticed... they lost internet and IP telephony as well they just noticed it later |
| 00:14.47 | abrotman | crocz: that wasn't what i meant ... |
| 00:14.55 | syslq | Forgot how I solved it, other than that I have been using ntfs-3g for year now and it runs fine |
| 00:14.55 | Voldenet | http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 00:14.59 | tjadog | syslq: was it just a phantom file that windows saw? or did it still take up disk space? |
| 00:15.03 | crocz | Tramp: the only thhing that connects all those three is the router |
| 00:15.06 | syslq | tjphantom |
| 00:15.14 | syslq | tjadog: phantom :) |
| 00:15.15 | crocz | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 00:15.19 | Black_Phantom | lol |
| 00:15.22 | Voldenet | syslq, using chkdisk would do the trick |
| 00:15.32 | Voldenet | chkdsk* |
| 00:15.37 | syslq | Voldenet: no it vouldnt |
| 00:15.43 | abrotman | crocz: i'll let Tramp go down his avenue first |
| 00:15.50 | tjadog | ok well I can live with a phantom file or two |
| 00:15.54 | syslq | Voldenet: chkdisk returned no errors |
| 00:15.58 | crocz | abrotman: ok thanks :) hold on though ;) |
| 00:16.11 | tjadog | I will try to mount and see if that works |
| 00:16.12 | Tramp | crocz: yes. I understand. But again: If the fileserver is not reachable from clients in the same net - how could the router be the problem for this issue? |
| 00:16.27 | Voldenet | syslq, well, i still think that ntfs sux |
| 00:16.59 | Tramp | crocz: the only thing I /could/ imagine in that case is a failing dhcp-renewal of leases |
| 00:17.04 | Voldenet | faggets made hpfs copy |
| 00:17.07 | crocz | Tramp: I have no clue tbh... what you say sounds logical, but then again how could you explain that the problems persist after I changed the switches |
| 00:17.09 | syslq | Voldenet: well it sux for being closed but other than that it works fine |
| 00:17.31 | syslq | Anyone using brtfs? |
| 00:17.35 | Voldenet | syslq, in comparition: ntfs is slower than ext3, ext4, reiser, xfs, ufs, nfs... |
| 00:17.37 | Tramp | crocz: well - you said previously the problem was /fixed/ after rebooting the switches, didn't you? |
| 00:17.40 | Voldenet | i would argue about ext |
| 00:17.42 | Voldenet | ;-D |
| 00:17.42 | Tramp | it just came back after a while |
| 00:17.49 | crocz | Tramp: true... they can't renew their dhcp lease. but even if I set a fixed IP they don't get it (the cilents) |
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| 00:18.13 | crocz | Tramp: yes. solved 'temporarily" |
| 00:18.26 | Tramp | crocz: hmm. ok. Is it not working /right now/ and do you have access to one of the failing clients |
| 00:18.36 | crocz | yes |
| 00:18.40 | syslq | Voldenet: not by my experience. I'm far from ms zealot but ntfs is just fine. It was always faster than ext3/ext4 for me, reading and writting |
| 00:18.47 | Tramp | crocz: fine. What is the OS on this client |
| 00:18.47 | tjadog | ok when I go to "Computer" I see the "Data" partition, is there a way I can assign this that mount command so I can just click on it to mount? |
| 00:18.56 | syslq | raiser is fast with bunch of small files |
| 00:18.58 | crocz | Tramp: (clients are win xp) |
| 00:19.20 | Tramp | crocz: ok. I can tell you what I want to know, but not, how to get the information :) |
| 00:19.23 | crocz | Tramp: fileserver is 2k3 mail is linux debian router is debian as well |
| 00:19.33 | crocz | :) |
| 00:19.34 | Tramp | crocz: first: can you ping the gateway? |
| 00:19.37 | crocz | no |
| 00:19.50 | abrotman | !tell Voldenet about gay |
| 00:19.52 | syslq | Anyway thanks for help, I need my sleep |
| 00:19.53 | tjadog | looks like maybe under properties -> driver -> mount point mighdo it |
| 00:20.05 | Tramp | crocz: but you should, right (i.e. there is no firewall on this debian-gateway) |
| 00:20.09 | Voldenet | syslq, reiser is nice... |
| 00:20.19 | Voldenet | ...but you have to do backup every hour |
| 00:20.24 | Voldenet | ;) |
| 00:20.34 | crocz | Tramp: there is but not internally (just for the routing) and yes I should :/ |
| 00:20.53 | Tramp | crocz: ok. And does the ping also fail the other way (i.e. gateway->client)? |
| 00:21.04 | crocz | yyes |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | does the switch have an IP? |
| 00:21.12 | crocz | abrotman: no |
| 00:21.16 | Tramp | well - that could be XP blocking pings by default ... |
| 00:21.23 | crocz | Tramp: no |
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| 00:21.38 | Voldenet | Tramp, xp is blocking pings? |
| 00:21.44 | Voldenet | I never experienced that. |
| 00:21.45 | Tramp | crocz: can you check if the router has arp for the client and the other way around? |
| 00:21.59 | Tramp | Voldenet: I think so, but I don't do Win* to be honest |
| 00:22.20 | Voldenet | Well, xp sp3 firewall does not block ping requests. |
| 00:22.23 | Tramp | Voldenet: i.e. incoming pings |
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| 00:22.41 | Tramp | ok then - that's why I said "could be" :) |
| 00:23.21 | crocz | Tramp: command? :S |
| 00:23.26 | Tramp | Voldenet: thanks for the information then, my thought about blocking are wrong |
| 00:23.39 | Tramp | crocz: on Linux: arp -an (and probably the same on Win* |
| 00:23.40 | Voldenet | You're welcome. :) |
| 00:24.09 | Tramp | crocz: i.e. first try to ping, then check, if there is arp |
| 00:24.14 | abrotman | win/lin network? do they all fail? |
| 00:24.39 | tjadog | um yeah it looks like my file system is "HPFS/NTFS" for DATA partition ? can I mount that? |
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| 00:26.18 | Voldenet | mount -t ntfs-3g -o noatime /dev/sda1 /media/ntfs |
| 00:27.03 | abrotman | what if /dev/sda1 is something else ? |
| 00:27.08 | tjadog | Voldenet: I get this: mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | tjadog: did you install ntfs-3g ? |
| 00:27.19 | Voldenet | tjadog: aptitude install ntfs-3g |
| 00:27.19 | tjadog | abrotman: I adjusted it to the correct /dev/sda5 |
| 00:27.36 | tjadog | nope will do now :) |
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| 00:28.21 | Voldenet | well, -o noatime is indispensable there |
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| 00:28.59 | tjadog | sweet it worked |
| 00:29.04 | tjadog | thanks Voldenet |
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| 00:29.11 | Voldenet | no problem :) |
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| 00:29.47 | tjadog | weird it even works as the Data drive in Computer ... so maybe thats all that was missing was for the ntfs-3g to be installed |
| 00:29.57 | tjadog | which brings me to a question I had about the debian install |
| 00:30.12 | tjadog | I had the DVD set + updates and loaded all of them when I did the install |
| 00:30.32 | tjadog | but it still only gave me a limited amount of things to install like: Laptop, Database, etc. |
| 00:30.49 | Voldenet | well, using netinst is the best option in my opinion |
| 00:31.05 | peterrooney | tjadog: that's the tasksel program - not aptitude, which you can run after the installation. |
| 00:31.09 | tjadog | is thra place where I can check/uncheck what I want installed during a fresh debian install ? |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | tjadog: that is tasksel .. but it's basically useless .. most people use aptitude directly |
| 00:31.28 | peterrooney | tjadog: yes. tasksel is a very coarse-grained tool. |
| 00:31.43 | Voldenet | tjadog, use aptitude |
| 00:31.45 | tjadog | hmmm I missed this tasksel program then |
| 00:31.48 | Voldenet | and dpkg -l |
| 00:31.52 | peterrooney | abrotman: you're too kind to tasksel. |
| 00:31.58 | Voldenet | last option display all packages installed |
| 00:32.05 | peterrooney | kicks tasksel in the nuts |
| 00:32.10 | tjadog | lol |
| 00:32.10 | abrotman | tjadog: no, it ran .. it's just not useful |
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| 00:33.12 | tjadog | im just used to the rhel/centos/fedora installs that let me check/uncheck the actual packages once I select/deselect a group I want (ie: web tools or whatever) |
| 00:33.14 | Voldenet | After netinst you can use apt to install anything you need, without 100 things you don't need, and won't ever use. |
| 00:33.40 | tjadog | well that was part of the problem - I didnt have a network connection at first so I had to do it all via dvd |
| 00:33.59 | tjadog | my network connection is a wireless phone tethered to my computer :) |
| 00:34.12 | peterrooney | thinks apt-get has spent too long as the #debian whipping post, and a new leader should emerge. |
| 00:34.14 | Voldenet | Ah. |
| 00:34.25 | Voldenet | That makes a lot of sense. |
| 00:34.35 | Voldenet | But still, you can use DVD as source of apt. ;) |
| 00:34.42 | tjadog | I did that |
| 00:34.56 | tjadog | believe me it took like 15mins to read all 6 of the dvds |
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| 00:35.07 | tjadog | but still was sad to see only like 10 options of things to install |
| 00:35.19 | Voldenet | Well, use aptitude search |
| 00:35.22 | tjadog | however I could install after I rebooted.. which is how I got wvdial on here |
| 00:35.35 | Voldenet | or apt-cache search |
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| 00:37.13 | Voldenet | Let's say you are going to host a website. |
| 00:37.29 | Voldenet | Choosing "server" would install everything you don't need. |
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| 00:37.45 | Voldenet | Except lighttpd, which you were willing to use. |
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| 00:38.11 | Voldenet | for example. |
| 00:38.32 | tjadog | uh huh I understand that :) |
| 00:39.58 | tjadog | thats why on like rhel/centos they give you the groups... so in this case "server" and it lets you select/deselect what you actually want to install. So in that case maybe its like sendmail, httpd, smbd etc and you really only wanted httpd and not everything else |
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| 00:45.19 | abrotman | tjadog: you can do it the same way on centos |
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| 00:48.50 | abrotman | tjadog: as i said above, most skip tasksel .. |
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| 00:51.43 | tjadog | abrotman: yeah i never saw it, or at the very least, didnt realize what it did |
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| 00:52.01 | bcw | hi. i am using debian squeeze, but having almost the exact same problem as the ubuntu user in this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1520318 i have an HP G60-249WM, with an Atheros AR5001 card (according to lspci), and "rfkill list" says "0: phy0: Wireless LAN [newline] Soft blocked: no [newline] Hard blocked: yes". i've already tried "rfkill unblock all", and even using the ubuntu live CD, but neither seem to work. i |
| 00:52.02 | bcw | s my wireless card fried or something? |
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| 00:52.30 | rfranknj | hi, i can't get audio input with my 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383]. output works fine but input does not |
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| 00:54.37 | bcw | btw, i had the same problem when using the ubuntu live CD. no wireless and "rfkill list" gave the same output |
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| 00:59.30 | tjadog | ok I have to leave for now but will be back later |
| 00:59.33 | tjadog | thanks to all for their assistance |
| 00:59.36 | tjadog | much appreciated! |
| 01:00.49 | bcw | maybe it would be better to ask this question on debian-user@lists.d.o. sorry for writing so much in one shot |
| 01:04.39 | ReclusSchimmelbu | anyone know after I upgraded from 2.6.26-* to 2.6.32-5 killall command is gone? and apt-get install killall dont work |
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| 01:07.31 | rfranknj | ReclusSchimmelbu: apt-get install sysvinit-utils |
| 01:07.52 | rfranknj | ReclusSchimmelbu: or psmisc |
| 01:07.53 | Tramp | ReclusSchimmelbu: killall is in "psmisc", and I can't see how upgrading a kernel would have an impact here |
| 01:08.39 | ReclusSchimmelbu | sysvinit-utils is already the newest version. |
| 01:09.08 | rking | ReclusSchimmelbu: try dpkg -L psmisc | grep killall then see if the file exists |
| 01:09.23 | rking | Should be /usr/bin/killall |
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| 01:09.31 | ReclusSchimmelbu | apt-get install psmisc worked |
| 01:09.32 | ReclusSchimmelbu | thanks |
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| 02:02.05 | phuzion_ | I just added an IPv6 address to my server, and added the route, using ifconfig and route respectively. Would restarting networking be the correct thing to do at this point? |
| 02:02.58 | xuser | no |
| 02:03.44 | phuzion_ | xuser: what would you suggest then? |
| 02:03.56 | elvedin | Anyone have an ARM based Debian system (like an Android) phone they want to compile something for me? Cross compiling is harder than it seems |
| 02:05.24 | liable | phuzion_: thats it, if you have set the route correctly, it should be working already |
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| 02:06.49 | phuzion_ | liable: thanks, I was testing using ping, not ping6 |
| 02:07.01 | liable | :) |
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| 02:07.18 | liable | notes there is a ping6 ;) |
| 02:08.35 | abrotman | elvedin: there is a #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:12.19 | xuser | phuzion_: restarting the network would have erased you manual config |
| 02:12.50 | nevyn | so is anyone aware of an issue with networkmanager in sid marking interfaces as unmanaged? |
| 02:13.28 | xuser | s/you/your |
| 02:14.18 | liable | there was a bug that needed a file removed, dunno if its fixed yet |
| 02:14.23 | phuzion_ | xuser: got it. Guys in #ipv6 are helping me out. |
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| 02:14.38 | liable | !dbugs 571331 |
| 02:14.41 | dpkg | #571331:N[network-manager] [network-manager] stale state file disables networking (after suspend) (); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:54:02 UTC [] |
| 02:14.46 | SuperMiguel | how can i automount smbfs mounts??? |
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| 02:15.07 | SuperMiguel | can i put the mount command in fstab> |
| 02:15.09 | SuperMiguel | ? |
| 02:15.23 | nevyn | liable: I bet that's it. |
| 02:15.27 | nevyn | Thanks. |
| 02:15.31 | liable | yw |
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| 02:17.51 | elvedin | abrotman: THanks for the info |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: yes |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | elvedin: you're welcome |
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| 02:24.29 | indix | hi all |
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| 02:42.59 | blast_hardcheese | Question, probably udev-related; When I unplug/replug my keyboard (ie: switch machines on my kvm), my xmodmap settings go away |
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| 02:43.26 | blast_hardcheese | What is the best way to either re-run my .xmodmaprc, or get udev to not flush my xmodmap settings? |
| 02:43.50 | blast_hardcheese | I use wmii as my window manager, so losing Mod3 basically makes my machine unusable |
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| 02:56.18 | tjadog | ok back again... I need help with installing libxml2 when I do apt-cache search libxml2 it finds nothing :( |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | aptitude search libxml |
| 02:57.35 | tjadog | oh wait... found it listed under libxml2-dev |
| 02:57.51 | abrotman | tjadog: what are you triyng to install ? |
| 02:58.30 | tjadog | abrotman: mapnik |
| 02:58.46 | tjadog | libxml2 is the last obstacle in my way of getting it compiled |
| 02:58.52 | tjadog | which I just accomplished |
| 02:58.54 | tjadog | :) |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:59.35 | dondelelcaro | tjadog: any reason why you're not just installing mapnik? |
| 03:00.05 | acu | I run debian squeeze on AMD 64 - as HOST and with qemu-kvm as guest I have another debian squeeze - I created bridge in host and assigned to it a static IP --- in guest I choose the trafic to go trough the bridge and assigned static IP to the eth2 - I can access the virtual machine from outside - but I cannot browse internet or access anything outside while in the quest - what do I need to do so I can see the outside world from the q |
| 03:00.05 | acu | uest VM ? |
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| 03:00.39 | tjadog | dondelelcaro: well I could do that, but wanted more flexibility in what libs were added |
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| 03:08.30 | acu | how can I see why the ping does not work ? |
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| 03:13.21 | quuxman | is there a good way to make ls show one file name per line if one of the files listed has a space in it? |
| 03:13.51 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:14.04 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: just as a general personal convenience when using bash |
| 03:14.12 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: for what purpose? |
| 03:14.19 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: my own enjoyment |
| 03:14.48 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: man ls; read about -1 |
| 03:15.25 | handheldcar | Xorg -configure is aborting due to segmentation fault, so I can't make a xorg.conf for my nvidia driver. There's a buggy nvidia-xconfig package though. |
| 03:15.27 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: right, but I only want to use that conditionally. I suppose I'll just write a simple script and alias ls to it |
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| 03:16.10 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: my reasoning is generally I like to see several columns of file names (easier to read a bunch of them at once) but if I'm looking at a list of files where one has a space in it, the column view is very ambiguous |
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| 03:16.46 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: especially when there's only one line |
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| 03:20.06 | acu | howdo you stop ping ? q and alt q does not seem to work |
| 03:20.47 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: actually, what I'm really going to write is a little utility that consumes a \null separated list of strings, and produces either columns, lines, or something using colors, depending on existence of spaces and newlines in the input set |
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| 03:21.25 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: then do something like ls () { if find . -maxdepth 1 -print0|grep -qz ' '; then /bin/ls -1; else /bin/ls; fi} |
| 03:21.43 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: yeah exactly |
| 03:21.52 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: except it'll be a little more complicated |
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| 03:22.32 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 03:23.23 | quuxman | I actually think all shell utilities should produce \null separated lists of strings, and the shell should be responsible for making that look pretty. That would make pipe lining commands together a lot more robust |
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| 03:24.28 | quuxman | there's no reason new lines, single quotes, escape sequences, etc in filenames should be a pain |
| 03:25.36 | quuxman | I'm not advocating putting that shit in filenames, but I frequently run in to situations where one command in a pipe line produces some weird characters that causes a lot of trouble |
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| 03:27.52 | quuxman | I'm also frequently annoyed by all the different flags to get the standard tools to produce \null terminated strings. |
| 03:27.54 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: they all do, actually... |
| 03:28.05 | quuxman | sum want -0, some -Z, etc |
| 03:28.15 | quuxman | s/sum/some/ |
| 03:28.16 | dondelelcaro | the shell has jack-all to do with formating output; it shouldn't touch anything |
| 03:28.56 | quuxman | and find requires -print0 :-/ |
| 03:29.45 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: that's where we differ in opinion. I'd like my shell to implicitly pipe every command through a final formatting command |
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| 03:30.08 | SockPupCameOn | I am having problem accessing Xtube using both Debian and Ubuntu |
| 03:30.13 | SockPupCameOn | I click on Yes to accept the terms |
| 03:30.18 | SockPupCameOn | and it wants to download a php file |
| 03:30.22 | SockPupCameOn | instead of going into the site |
| 03:30.27 | SockPupCameOn | it does this on all browsers |
| 03:31.06 | quuxman | SockPupCameOn: lol |
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| 03:31.23 | quuxman | SockPupCameOn: what's the mime-type? |
| 03:31.34 | SockPupCameOn | what is a mime-type? |
| 03:31.34 | acu | SockPupCameOn, the php is not installed or initiated in the webserver of your interest |
| 03:31.41 | SockPupCameOn | strange |
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| 03:31.45 | SockPupCameOn | youtube and digg work |
| 03:31.48 | quuxman | acu: I doubt that. Xtube is a pretty big site |
| 03:31.51 | SockPupCameOn | nobody else has mentioned php |
| 03:32.01 | quuxman | acu: right? |
| 03:32.07 | quuxman | goes to check xtube |
| 03:32.18 | ReclusSchimmelbu | LOL |
| 03:32.19 | SockPupCameOn | I am chatting with this filipino, and I can't watch his jakolero video |
| 03:32.26 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: how do you expect the shell to know which comands it should munge and which it shouldn't? |
| 03:32.29 | ReclusSchimmelbu | quuxman works in Chrome |
| 03:32.40 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: that said, it's certainly something you can try out using one of the various fully-scriptable shells |
| 03:32.48 | SockPupCameOn | hold on let me get you exactly what it says |
| 03:32.54 | k|[ | xtube?? |
| 03:33.01 | ReclusSchimmelbu | Pron site |
| 03:33.05 | tharkun | There is a catchall expression on rsyslog.conf. I am trying to avoid postfix to log thrice whatever it needs to log. What should i put instead of this catchall expression (*.*) |
| 03:33.09 | quuxman | SockPupCameOn: not reproducable. I'm watching some sort of orgy on xtube right now |
| 03:33.18 | ReclusSchimmelbu | LOL |
| 03:33.35 | quuxman | SockPupCameOn: (using firefox) |
| 03:33.44 | SockPupCameOn | let me try that again |
| 03:33.50 | k|[ | firefox is bloated |
| 03:34.18 | quuxman | oh actually it's not an orgy. It's a bunch of dudes wearing party hats watching a chick masturbate |
| 03:34.23 | quuxman | weird |
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| 03:34.51 | SockPupCameOn | This is the one I am wanting to open |
| 03:34.51 | quuxman | and now they're singing happy birthday |
| 03:34.53 | SockPupCameOn | http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v_user_id=jakoler0&idx=5&v=cVFfgZ7610-&cl=5JzaFM6xcY-&from=&ver=3&ccaa=1&qid=&qidx=&qnum=&preview_flag= |
| 03:34.57 | SockPupCameOn | it gives me a php error |
| 03:35.21 | acu | SockPupCameOn, that's a good trick - but what I see there is a sin to say the least - in most cases is pathologic - man having sex with man when there are 3.5 billion women - that is just sick - but the bottom line - the site isee m working |
| 03:35.25 | quuxman | SockPupCameOn: works fine for me |
| 03:35.48 | ReclusSchimmelbu | works for me... |
| 03:36.01 | SockPupCameOn | the one I posted? |
| 03:36.04 | acu | Anus is to make caca not sex |
| 03:36.07 | SockPupCameOn | is it any good? |
| 03:36.08 | quuxman | SockPupCameOn: yeah, the one you posted |
| 03:36.12 | SockPupCameOn | what am I missing? |
| 03:36.14 | quuxman | SockPupCameOn: I saw a penis and paused it |
| 03:36.18 | tharkun | !ot |
| 03:36.18 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 03:36.37 | SockPupCameOn | was it 5 inches like he said it was? |
| 03:36.46 | SockPupCameOn | i am flying to manila tomorrow to meet him |
| 03:36.53 | quuxman | you have got to be trolling |
| 03:36.54 | SockPupCameOn | and I want to make sure that it isn't false advertising |
| 03:37.07 | SockPupCameOn | it has to at least be able to make it to my prostate |
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| 03:37.12 | acu | SockPupCameOn, you are going to be kicked out if you do not stop |
| 03:37.26 | qq- | !ot |
| 03:37.26 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:37.30 | SockPupCameOn | ok |
| 03:37.38 | SockPupCameOn | nobody is having problems viewing it? |
| 03:37.41 | acu | this is technical support for debian - serious people only |
| 03:37.43 | SockPupCameOn | what setting should I change |
| 03:37.47 | SockPupCameOn | I am serious |
| 03:38.01 | SockPupCameOn | Dingdong Magapagal is trying to show me his video |
| 03:38.03 | SockPupCameOn | and I can't see it |
| 03:38.07 | k|[ | sockpupcameon: are you using the flash driver from adobe? |
| 03:38.13 | SockPupCameOn | yes |
| 03:38.15 | tharkun | SockPupCameOn: ok you managed to trick a lot of people, now cut it off |
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| 03:38.27 | ReclusSchimmelbu | SockPupCameOn join #xtube in there there staff can help you its a site think not debian |
| 03:38.29 | acu | tharkun: use the sword :) |
| 03:38.39 | SockPupCameOn | cool |
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| 03:38.47 | quuxman | SockPupCameOn: if you're curious the mime-type is text/html. It really should not be showing a download dialogue |
| 03:39.28 | k|[ | sockpupcameon: try downloading the flash plugin from adobe and extracting it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 03:39.35 | k|[ | oops. |
| 03:39.39 | quuxman | k|[: I doubt it's a flash issue |
| 03:39.49 | ReclusSchimmelbu | same here not flash... |
| 03:39.52 | k|[ | who wants xtube anyway... |
| 03:40.01 | quuxman | k|[: that doesn't make sense... although there's embedded flash content, that doesn't have to do with Firefox showing a download dialogue |
| 03:40.14 | quuxman | k|[: that depends on the mime-type of the response |
| 03:40.47 | tharkun | There is a catchall expression on rsyslog.conf. I am trying to avoid postfix to log thrice whatever it needs to log. What should i put instead of this catchall expression (*.*) |
| 03:41.19 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: anyway, do you not see the value of everything defaulting to null terminated strings, with a little helper to make it look like it should? It would promote way more consistency in shell utilities |
| 03:41.28 | k|[ | guess so.. |
| 03:43.02 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: not really |
| 03:43.14 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: the actual formating that you need is dependent on the content |
| 03:44.05 | dondelelcaro | (and almost everything that we're talking about isn't a shell utility, perse; they're fully fledged binaries on their own) |
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| 03:46.22 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: ah, well I am talking about utilities like find, grep, ls, xargs, etc. Not shell utilities as you're defining them like ps, who, etc |
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| 03:46.39 | dondelelcaro | ps isn't a shell utility either... |
| 03:47.16 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: well however you group "shell utilities" I agree. |
| 03:47.27 | dondelelcaro | find, grep, etc; are all part of coreutils; for the most part they have unified options, but they're constrained by the history of POSIX |
| 03:48.51 | quuxman | for my own personal use I think it would be useful to alias all the coreutils to pass the null terminated flag |
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| 03:50.10 | quuxman | maybe... it's easy to go too far with standardization to the point where it's more of a pain in the ass than it's worth |
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| 03:50.54 | dondelelcaro | well, pretty much the only thing that actually outputs similar things is ls and find; everyting else outputs output which is totally different and can't be formatted the same way |
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| 03:51.17 | quuxman | if passing around lists of strings is completely standardized, then why not standardize lists of tuples, or lists of lists of strings, etc :-P |
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| 03:51.37 | dondelelcaro | the standard method of passing them around is with null termination |
| 03:51.46 | dondelelcaro | (though there are even some problems with that, but...) |
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| 03:52.01 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: what are the problems with null terminated lists of strings? |
| 03:52.54 | cybercobra | stupid newbie question: is there a way to install 1 package (and its deps) from a different Release? (e.g. python2.6 onto Stable) |
| 03:53.22 | quuxman | cybercobra: it tends to pull your entire system in to the next release, because dependencies spread |
| 03:53.39 | tharkun | if you are running stable and want to pull from testing or sid it is possible, the other way around i don't think so |
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| 03:54.03 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: you can't include nulls in them |
| 03:54.03 | quuxman | cybercobra: python would be fine though, because python2.5 and python2.6 are designed to coexist nicely with each other |
| 03:54.17 | cybercobra | quuxman: okay, so how would I do it? |
| 03:54.18 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: oh well duh. That's not a problem |
| 03:54.30 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: it is for some strings I work with |
| 03:55.02 | blast_hardcheese | quuxman: Certain scripts require 2.5, and if you change /usr/bin/python's symlink to point to 2.6, they break; How do you switch the default interpreter to 2.6 without breaking those scripts? |
| 03:55.10 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: well yeah. Their convenience is well worth it though. The obvious only other option that I can think of is prefixing each string with its length, which gets very cumbersome |
| 03:55.42 | blast_hardcheese | cybercobra: You should just be able to say 'aptitude install python2.6' and get it; What is it giving you, 3.0? |
| 03:55.44 | dondelelcaro | quuxman: that's even worse; the normal method is to escape nulls and then parse them |
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| 03:56.14 | quuxman | blast_hardcheese: all of those scripts should say "!#/usr/bin/env python2.5" explicitly |
| 03:56.21 | blast_hardcheese | quuxman: gotcha |
| 03:56.22 | quuxman | blast_hardcheese: |
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| 03:56.39 | blast_hardcheese | I'll file a bug against the ones that don't |
| 03:56.48 | quuxman | blast_hardcheese: I've had no problems with symlinking python -> python2.6 |
| 03:57.04 | quuxman | blast_hardcheese: and I have a lot of packages installed that depend on 2.5 |
| 03:57.24 | cybercobra | blast_hardcheese: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "python2.6" |
| 03:57.32 | brummbaer | hello all, any recommendations for a contacts server that's less inclusive than ldap? comparable to davical, but like a rolodex instead of calendar? |
| 03:57.39 | blast_hardcheese | quuxman: approx depends on 2.5 and uses /usr/bin/python |
| 03:57.41 | quuxman | cybercobra: you have to add squeeze to your package lists |
| 03:58.34 | quuxman | cybercobra: er, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:00.52 | quuxman | dondelelcaro: ah yes, that's a much better solution :) |
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| 04:01.34 | cybercobra | quuxman: thanks, appreciate it; reading up on that now |
| 04:02.12 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, maybe it wasn't approx... I'll write something that goes and looks for packages that have python files that are not linked against specific versions of python |
| 04:04.19 | acu | howdo you tell nano to show line number ? |
| 04:06.33 | quuxman | acu: can you do that? nano intentionally doesn't have too many features |
| 04:07.23 | Rusty1 | acu Start nano with -c option, seems to work |
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| 04:08.40 | acu | quuxman: it seem that you are kind of prompt freak :) did you try Krussader ? You can to anytype of sorting and comparing etc :) most complex file management tool |
| 04:08.55 | acu | Rusty1 thanks - yes nano -c works :) |
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| 04:13.27 | acu | I installed GADMIN-PROFTPD and it tells me that some TLRSA certificate /etc/gadmin-proftpd/certs/cert.pem does not exist on line 57 .... but I think is somekind of access right - or some group right - I had this before and I solved it - but I like to suffer again and again - however if anyone can help me with that it would be great |
| 04:14.04 | cybercobra | any thoughts why DNS lookup would fail from a fresh install? |
| 04:14.44 | acu | cybercobra, what exactly the issue are you facing ? |
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| 04:14.56 | cybercobra | acu: ping: unknown host slashdot.org |
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| 04:15.03 | acu | oh that is easy |
| 04:15.41 | acu | you have to configure two files properly - one is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:16.20 | acu | there you have to have a line dns-nameservers WITH RIGHT IP for a working dns |
| 04:16.30 | acu | and second file is /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:16.46 | acu | the entry should be |
| 04:17.14 | acu | nameserver YOURDNSSERVERIP |
| 04:17.32 | acu | cybercobra, did you see |
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| 04:18.13 | acu | after you change this - of course you can use nano /etc/network/interfaces after you change your stuff pres CTRL X and say YES loud |
| 04:18.21 | acu | then restart the network |
| 04:18.30 | acu | and you are going to fly baby :) |
| 04:19.51 | cybercobra | acu: hm, but there seem to be nameservers already in resolv.conf from my hosting provider.. |
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| 04:20.23 | acu | cybercobra: what your /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:20.30 | acu | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:20.48 | acu | should tell you if you have a card running with an IP assigned |
| 04:21.20 | acu | on those files DNS server should be checked twice - if they are not correct you may spend a sleepless night on debian :) |
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| 04:21.52 | acu | are you behind a router - or a firewall ? |
| 04:22.04 | cybercobra | acu: http://bpaste.net/show/7522/ |
| 04:22.13 | acu | if you have DHCP than all those are taken care of by the DHCP |
| 04:22.57 | liable | cybercobra: can you ping your router? |
| 04:23.07 | liable | oh wait |
| 04:23.29 | liable | is that an internal ip? |
| 04:23.49 | acu | nope - that as external IP |
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| 04:24.11 | acu | cybercobra: what is the problem - can you browse with a iceweasel ? |
| 04:24.28 | hector | hello |
| 04:24.32 | cybercobra | acu: this is a server box I'm ssh'd into |
| 04:24.33 | liable | right, how exactly do you connect to the net? |
| 04:24.34 | hector | i need yours help |
| 04:24.37 | acu | do not do xtube or xhamster they are sinful sites |
| 04:24.46 | liable | hah |
| 04:24.53 | hector | i install nvidia kernel in debian\ |
| 04:24.54 | liable | s/sinfull/awesome/ |
| 04:25.10 | hector | and install nvidia.confg |
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| 04:25.21 | acu | so you cannot ping outside from the box ? |
| 04:25.22 | hector | or something thats\ |
| 04:25.41 | liable | hector: put it all one one line dude, we wont charge extra |
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| 04:26.01 | cybercobra | acu: well, I can't ping a hostname |
| 04:26.04 | hector | dont start x liable |
| 04:26.13 | acu | can you ping an IP ? |
| 04:26.19 | acu | cybercobra ? |
| 04:26.25 | liable | hector: read your xorg log |
| 04:26.54 | cybercobra | acu: yessir I can |
| 04:26.57 | acu | hector: wait a minute - there is an excelllent debian tutorial some wiki - works like a charm - I have |
| 04:27.27 | acu | cybercobra: ok so it is the DNS servers - are you sure they are right - |
| 04:27.45 | hector | tell error inserting nvidia(/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko) |
| 04:27.46 | acu | oh - there is something els |
| 04:27.50 | acu | cybercobra |
| 04:28.02 | acu | do you have a gateway |
| 04:28.14 | acu | do you run a virtual machine ? |
| 04:28.29 | acu | is this a virtual machine ? |
| 04:28.31 | hector | nop |
| 04:28.41 | hector | is my installation |
| 04:28.43 | acu | I was talking to cobra |
| 04:28.48 | acu | cybercobra |
| 04:28.49 | acu | hector |
| 04:28.52 | hector | jejeje |
| 04:28.57 | hector | iam sorry' |
| 04:29.03 | acu | let me look for you hector |
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| 04:29.51 | blast_hardcheese | Figured it out, etckeeper uses /usr/bin/python |
| 04:31.22 | wireddd | is there a single package I can apt-get that will install x and kde4 and kdm etc |
| 04:31.26 | acu | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers hector - google is mainly a search engine :) look at that tutorial - there is specificity to squeeze and others - |
| 04:31.40 | ranix | One of the disks in my two-disk Raid 0 failed. I purchased a near-identical replacement disk and ran dd_rescue, and was able to get almost the entirety (minus 280k somewhere in the middle) of the disk from 0 to 400 gigabytes, but it's failing utterly to read any of the rest of the disk. |
| 04:31.50 | ranix | I'm running XFS on this Raid array |
| 04:32.13 | zinx | welcome to Raid 0 |
| 04:32.25 | ranix | Only 300 gigabytes of that disk should be used. Is it safe to assume that the used space resides at the beginning of the disk? |
| 04:32.25 | zinx | just use your backups |
| 04:32.41 | cybercobra | acu: ok, well, switching to google's dns worked, so problem "solved" |
| 04:32.44 | acu | cybercobra: I have to leave now - but as much I can see those two files I mentioned above - also be sure the gateway is right and restorg |
| 04:32.53 | acu | cybercobra: bravo |
| 04:32.59 | acu | good job |
| 04:33.06 | acu | now you can sleep :) |
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| 04:33.43 | boxxertrumps | so, i have no Xorg |
| 04:33.49 | wireddd | raid 0 is such a pain when you lose a disk |
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| 04:34.10 | acu | all raids are such a pain |
| 04:34.18 | boxxertrumps | could someone google how you get a radeon hd 5870 working for me? |
| 04:34.21 | ranix | my real question has little or nothing to do with raid |
| 04:34.27 | wireddd | raid 5/6 are not so bad |
| 04:34.42 | acu | what are the text interface webrowser |
| 04:34.42 | acu | s |
| 04:34.44 | blast_hardcheese | Why isn't python in update-alternatives? |
| 04:34.54 | acu | boxxertrumps, what do you use |
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| 04:35.00 | acu | what debian version |
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| 04:35.04 | ranix | Is it safe to assume that in a 600 gigabyte disk, with 300 gigabytes used, wih an XFS filesystem, that I have recovered the filesystem if I have recovered the first 400 gigabytes of the drive? |
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| 04:35.18 | ranix | and the rest is random garbage |
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| 04:35.33 | wireddd | I wouldn't assume that, testing it should be easier |
| 04:35.45 | acu | ranix: not at all |
| 04:35.48 | boxxertrumps | i know you have to specify "driver 'radeon'" or something but i can't remember at all |
| 04:35.59 | boxxertrumps | acu: stable, latet |
| 04:36.03 | boxxertrumps | latest |
| 04:36.07 | acu | the files are all over the place |
| 04:36.14 | acu | boxxertrumps: just type |
| 04:36.26 | acu | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:36.27 | ranix | that does not sound accurate acu |
| 04:36.27 | boxxertrumps | 'rm -rf /' |
| 04:36.35 | boxxertrumps | awwwww |
| 04:36.41 | acu | ranix: it may be :) |
| 04:37.18 | acu | I stop using Raids - they will make you have a heart atack |
| 04:37.39 | acu | do proper regular backups - use heart beat |
| 04:38.17 | boxxertrumps | "input not supported" pops up on my monitor then, acu |
| 04:38.33 | acu | did it work |
| 04:38.36 | acu | ? |
| 04:38.49 | boxxertrumps | i dont think so |
| 04:38.53 | acu | boxxertrumps: you are just installing it first time ? |
| 04:39.04 | boxxertrumps | there's a message when i switch back to that tty |
| 04:39.07 | boxxertrumps | yes acu |
| 04:39.27 | acu | why do you install it - you are just playing around (not to say dicking around) |
| 04:39.51 | boxxertrumps | vesa failed to setup write combining range |
| 04:40.09 | boxxertrumps | tbh acu, i just want to watch porn in my room |
| 04:40.10 | acu | boxxertrumps: answer my question - you just install it because you want to learn |
| 04:40.32 | acu | that's a nice goal - because of that I will help you |
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| 04:40.39 | boxxertrumps | no, i use debian on every other box i have but the rest are working, and at work |
| 04:41.03 | acu | boxxertrumps - I wanted to suggest you to use squeeze |
| 04:41.41 | acu | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:41.49 | acu | Get daily and ROCK and ROLL |
| 04:41.52 | boxxertrumps | set stuff in sources.list to squeeze instead of lenny and aptitude dist-upgrade? |
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| 04:42.16 | acu | boxxertrumps, is this a local machine ? |
| 04:42.25 | acu | do you have still stuff you want to save in it ? |
| 04:42.27 | boxxertrumps | it's the box i am on right now |
| 04:42.29 | boxxertrumps | no |
| 04:42.57 | acu | if not - I would strongly recomend to download the netinstall for your architecture and install it clean |
| 04:43.19 | boxxertrumps | i did at one point but i accidentally set the hdd to the OF of DD and never bothered recovering the stuff months ago |
| 04:43.32 | acu | LOL |
| 04:43.38 | acu | that's a lot of porn lost |
| 04:43.52 | boxxertrumps | I just installed off of a debian 5 netinstall, amd64 |
| 04:43.52 | acu | what CPU do you have ? |
| 04:44.04 | boxxertrumps | core i7-860 |
| 04:44.17 | acu | yes you could do that what you said |
| 04:44.36 | acu | about about sources.list and dist upgrade blah blah |
| 04:44.47 | boxxertrumps | i'll give it a go |
| 04:44.49 | acu | but I would very much suggest you install it clean |
| 04:45.26 | acu | boxxertrumps, |
| 04:45.30 | acu | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:45.40 | acu | that is what you need |
| 04:46.40 | boxxertrumps | i have no idea how i could download and burn that without a GUI |
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| 04:47.23 | boxxertrumps | oh wow, 1011MB of new packages... |
| 04:47.27 | acu | boxxertrumps, I have to leave you in the hands of bigger masters than me :) there are tools to burn it without GUI there are tools to browse without GUi |
| 04:47.52 | boxxertrumps | netcat i think for cli web browser |
| 04:48.07 | civillian | boxxertrumps, cdrecord will burn from CLI, I believe |
| 04:48.11 | boxxertrumps | dont know how to use it, could have the manpage open in another tty i suppose |
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| 04:49.32 | acu | either way good night - be good - be clean - say no to alcohol, drugs, porn and rock-and-roll :) |
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| 04:49.54 | acu | Peace and Wisdom to all debianers :) |
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| 04:50.57 | boxxertrumps | thanks acu! |
| 04:51.03 | boxxertrumps | oh |
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| 04:52.29 | pencil | I disallowed root ssh logins. Is it possible to allow them, but only from designated other servers? |
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| 04:59.52 | craigevil | boxxertrumps: http://manual.sidux.com/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm is a good guide on burning cd/dvd using cli |
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| 05:01.16 | boxxertrumps | thanks craigevil |
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| 05:03.43 | KB1JWQ | If I install a file from backports with apt-get install -t lenny-backports, do I need to use the "-t lenny-backports" to upgrade those packages? |
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| 05:03.58 | cybercobra | how do I install php without pulling in apache? |
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| 05:07.31 | pallgone | cybercobra: just install the packages you want, you can see them with 'aptitude show php5' |
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| 05:10.45 | hector | hey man i use the manual but |
| 05:11.00 | hector | not run the x |
| 05:11.19 | hector | i probe to install the module and |
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| 05:11.38 | hector | his say the same about x11 |
| 05:12.11 | hector | error inserting nvidia (lib/modules/2.6..... |
| 05:12.44 | hector | because is not the kernel for that video card? |
| 05:12.58 | hector | i have a fx5200 |
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| 05:14.35 | hector | acu you can help me? |
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| 06:13.47 | nevyn | liable: Sure enough removing the stale state file made everything spring back into life.. two minutes on IRC and 2 hrs yak shaving last night ;) |
| 06:14.25 | liable | ooh, you have a bald yak? ;) |
| 06:15.02 | OpenTokix | wtf are you talking about? =) |
| 06:15.26 | liable | shaving ones livestock of course! |
| 06:15.42 | dondelelcaro | hands out shears |
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| 06:16.13 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to ride home right now; be back online in about 15 minutes |
| 06:16.18 | dondelelcaro | err, ECHAN |
| 06:16.47 | nevyn | the sad thing was I was at a hackerspace. so I got lots of "Network manager you mean that thing I dpkg --purge on every machine I install" |
| 06:17.20 | liable | heh, yeah, its one of those programs people love to hate |
| 06:17.31 | MeglaW | nice nevyn, sweden just got a new space |
| 06:17.43 | liable | gotta admit though, i use it these days.. must be getting lazy in my old age :) |
| 06:17.55 | MeglaW | that means we have 6 or 7 spaces in .se |
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| 06:18.54 | MeglaW | i use wicd for that |
| 06:19.05 | nevyn | it's too much f^#@ing |
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| 06:32.48 | MrZhi | Hey Debbers, what's the deal with /etc/suauth not working on fresh debian install? I'm coming over from slackware, so I'm sure it's something I'm missing |
| 06:34.07 | civillian | What is suauth used for in slackware? |
| 06:35.07 | sweetpi | MrZhi: i think what your looking for is /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 06:35.41 | civillian | I was going to suggest that but I haven't used suauth before :o |
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| 06:36.06 | MrZhi | Oh yeah, this is what I needed |
| 06:36.08 | MrZhi | thanks |
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| 06:58.28 | cybercobra | how does one start the mysql server? I have no /etc/init.d/mysql |
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| 07:01.30 | OpenTokix | cybercobra: is mysql-server installed, or only mysql-common? |
| 07:02.31 | cybercobra | OpenTokix: mysql-server-core-5.1 is installed. mysql-server-5.1 is not |
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| 07:04.00 | OpenTokix | There's your problem |
| 07:04.44 | cybercobra | OpenTokix: but mysql-server-5.1 pulls in exim and other crap I don't want |
| 07:05.19 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 07:05.52 | cybercobra | OpenTokix: (newbie here) |
| 07:06.14 | OpenTokix | cybercobra: Why do you not want a MTA? |
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| 07:07.02 | cybercobra | OpenTokix: I'm using Google Apps for your domain Gmail |
| 07:07.08 | Sm0ke0ut | it's required for local mail delivery. I don't think you've much of a choice |
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| 07:07.18 | nsadmin | well it pulls in an mta... if you want a different mta or a "null" mta you can do those too |
| 07:07.28 | Sm0ke0ut | In fact. I think you already have an MTA installed |
| 07:08.07 | nsadmin | no he probably doesn't.... why would one be pulled in by installing something that deps on it? |
| 07:08.37 | Sm0ke0ut | I guess you've a point there |
| 07:08.46 | nsadmin | cybercobra: so let us know some of your thoughts |
| 07:08.47 | OpenTokix | cybercobra: For my domain? |
| 07:08.52 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 07:09.23 | OpenTokix | cybercobra: exim is default configured only for local delivery, so just hit that Y-button and get your mysql-server |
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| 07:10.07 | cybercobra | OpenTokix: righto |
| 07:10.12 | nsadmin | I just got started reading the code of an ecommerce system (inventory/shipping/shopping cart/accounting/payment gateways) and the code is really well documented, it even shows how and where you can change it to reflect your business |
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| 07:11.00 | nsadmin | it surprised me, given documentation of open source projects is so incredibly rare... |
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| 07:12.59 | nsadmin | cybercobra, what else is it doing that goes against your preferences? what/why are your preferences? |
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| 07:13.33 | liable | thats a bit personal.. ;) |
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| 07:14.20 | nsadmin | more info around preferences == better support |
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| 07:14.57 | nsadmin | oh I get it... did I use a synonym that triggered a weird thought? :) |
| 07:15.38 | liable | :) |
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| 07:15.59 | jelly-hme | wonders what liable's preferences are |
| 07:16.11 | cybercobra | giggles |
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| 07:17.20 | sweetpi | ~/.smurfs |
| 07:17.57 | liable | what program makes that dir? |
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| 07:18.34 | sweetpi | made a lame joke nobody got |
| 07:18.41 | liable | jelly-hme: you prolly dont wanna know ;) |
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| 07:22.28 | nsadmin | to give you a brief idea... there's a func called ecds_base_shipping_price_from_order_value that takes total order price and base shipping cost, and uses a calculation from among three examples that are well documented.... the examples implement... ship price increases w/ item price.... free shipping for orders over $130, and decreases with price increase for orders below 130... and use of 1 / price multiplier |
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| 07:22.59 | nsadmin | I dunno why I brought it up, I guess I was inspired |
| 07:23.48 | OpenTokix | Anyone have a nice heavy-disk-io mysql benchmark up the sleve? |
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| 07:34.03 | alcohol | mornin people |
| 07:34.56 | ehc | anyone ever have problems trying to do mass reinstalls with apt, like trying to reinstall every installed package at once? apt failing with: E:Method http has died unexpectedly E:Tried to dequeue a fetching object... |
| 07:35.07 | ehc | alcohol: morning :) |
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| 07:35.27 | MrZhi | mornin' :D |
| 07:35.28 | alcohol | ehc: why would you do that to begin with? |
| 07:36.00 | alcohol | ehc: that's bound to fail considering some packages depend on the presence of others. you can't re-install everything at the same time. |
| 07:36.14 | ehc | alcohol: i have my reasons :) - the packages weren't installed with man pages. |
| 07:36.31 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: this is _exactly_ what #debian-offtopic is for! |
| 07:36.34 | ehc | alcohol: hmm, is there a way to go about reinstalling all packages, if one were to want to? |
| 07:36.44 | alcohol | huh? why no man pages? |
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| 07:37.31 | ehc | alcohol: they were removed for space reasons. |
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| 07:37.58 | jelly-hme | !tell ehc about reinstall |
| 07:37.59 | nsadmin | ehc: just to let you know... failure to provide a man page for each executable is an official, reportable debian bug |
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| 07:38.18 | alcohol | nsadmin: they were not missing, he deleted them. different story it seems :> |
| 07:38.32 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 07:38.47 | ehc | alcohol: anyway, a much slower process would be to iterate through the entire list of installed packages and reinstall each one, but this would be a possibility i guess |
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| 07:38.56 | jelly-hme | ehc: if you have to wipe documentation for space reasons, the terrorists have already won |
| 07:39.10 | alcohol | ehc: man pages hardly take up any space. so eh.. who was so clever to remove this? you running your OS on a floppy disk? |
| 07:39.24 | nsadmin | I won something!!! yay!!! |
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| 07:40.30 | jelly-hme | ehc: can you report back if what dpkg told you works out |
| 07:40.30 | nsadmin | running it on a quad 2-input nand gate wired as a flipflop... |
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| 07:41.16 | jelly-hme | spots a cs/ce student |
| 07:41.43 | nsadmin | just someone who used to own a copy of ttl cookbook |
| 07:42.01 | jelly-hme | selfeducated, even worse |
| 07:42.15 | nsadmin | even BETTER! |
| 07:42.23 | jelly-hme | than the real thing |
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| 07:45.22 | nsadmin | just consider the possibility of buying about $5k worth of 90% coin silver so that you protect yourself from what will happen to the real thing who do not :) |
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| 07:46.30 | unixp | whats the difference between kernel 2.6-686, 2.6.26-2-486 and 2.6.26-2-686 ? |
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| 07:46.59 | nsadmin | well the 486 one is really slow... |
| 07:47.53 | nsadmin | the 2.6-686 is a floating metapackage that points to a fuller version, like the latter in your list |
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| 07:49.29 | nsadmin | linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 and linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 are real packages, while linux-image-2.6-686 is a pointer |
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| 07:51.20 | cybercobra | when I try to download off my server using sftp, I get errors about paths like /var/folders/JQ/random_junk_here/-Tmp-/my/actual/path/here not existing. cause? |
| 07:52.13 | nsadmin | oh, is it chrooting or something? what are you trying to download when it says something like that? |
| 07:52.40 | cybercobra | nsadmin: /my/actual/path/here |
| 07:52.51 | ehc | jelly-hme: so i'm wonering how the aptitude reinstall '~i' is different from the apt-get --reinstall {every package in a list here}, does aptitude do it some other way? |
| 07:52.53 | nsadmin | so it's probably chrooting |
| 07:53.03 | cybercobra | nsadmin: so, i take it there's chroot setting in the sshd conf file? |
| 07:53.23 | nsadmin | or somethign along those lines, chrooting is one of many ways of doing something like that |
| 07:53.33 | nsadmin | maybe :) |
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| 07:53.56 | nsadmin | oh, in sshd conf? you know, I think there are sftp settings |
| 07:54.36 | cybercobra | nsadmin: where would those be? |
| 07:55.05 | nsadmin | hmm, the only line I found is |
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| 07:55.17 | nsadmin | Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
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| 07:55.35 | nsadmin | in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 07:56.52 | alcohol | chrooting also requires a whole user or group stanze in the sshd config |
| 07:56.57 | alcohol | stanza* |
| 07:57.24 | nsadmin | alcohol, hmm. I don't see anything like that in my config |
| 07:57.39 | alcohol | lemme grab a copy of mine and pastebin |
| 07:57.59 | cybercobra | nsadmin: neither do I |
| 07:58.12 | alcohol | http://pastebin.com/iwAHfbvn |
| 07:58.50 | alcohol | user 'sites' also has its shell set to /usr/lib/sftp-server |
| 07:58.50 | alcohol | :x |
| 07:59.30 | nsadmin | so would you have to duplicate for each user you wanted to chroot? |
| 07:59.45 | cybercobra | but I don't have that, so why's it chrooting? |
| 07:59.56 | alcohol | nsadmin: no, you can also Match Group |
| 07:59.59 | nsadmin | or whatever it's doing :) |
| 08:00.09 | nsadmin | oic |
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| 08:00.38 | nsadmin | cybercobra, could you pastebin your config? |
| 08:00.53 | alcohol | cybercobra: it's not chrooting. more likely you're just locked in your homedir. are you sure you're not running a (s)ftp server other than just sshd? |
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| 08:01.09 | ojm | hi, how do I use flash in kazehakase? |
| 08:01.15 | alcohol | cybercobra: if it is sshd, you might be able to find something in /var/log/auth.log |
| 08:01.23 | nsadmin | also just out of curiousity, could you pastebin the output of ls -CF /etc/ssh |
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| 08:02.25 | cybercobra | alcohol: not that I can tell. http://pastebin.com/8NUeFb91 |
| 08:02.55 | cybercobra | nsadmin: moduli ssh_config ssh_host_dsa_key ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key ssh_host_rsa_key.pub sshd_config |
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| 08:03.34 | alcohol | cybercobra: did you check /var/log/auth.log ? |
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| 08:04.23 | cybercobra | alcohol: sshd[13743]: pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory |
| 08:04.44 | cybercobra | alcohol: that's the only thing other than some apparently real break-in attempts |
| 08:05.25 | nsadmin | are you running fail2ban? |
| 08:05.49 | cybercobra | nsadmin: not unless it's default |
| 08:06.08 | nsadmin | you should look into it maybe |
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| 08:06.23 | nsadmin | what are they trying to break into? |
| 08:07.07 | cybercobra | nsadmin: just trying to login w/ random Japanses usernames AFAICT |
| 08:07.17 | nsadmin | via ssh? |
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| 08:08.33 | cybercobra | sshd[7209]: Invalid user abe from 84.51.23.167 |
| 08:08.33 | cybercobra | sshd[7209]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown |
| 08:08.33 | cybercobra | sshd[7209]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=84.51.23.167 |
| 08:08.33 | cybercobra | sshd[7209]: Failed password for invalid user abe from 84.51.23.167 port 50398 ssh2 |
| 08:08.33 | cybercobra | sshd[7211]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for host-84-51-23-167.teletektelekom.com [84.51.23.167] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
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| 08:08.45 | MrSpooge | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
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| 08:09.41 | cybercobra | nsadmin: anyhow.. |
| 08:09.49 | nsadmin | so yes, sshd. |
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| 08:10.23 | nsadmin | fail2ban would limit them to 6 tries before temporarily putting up a firewall rule |
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| 08:12.02 | cybercobra | nsadmin: well, my present concern is the sftp problem |
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| 08:13.08 | nsadmin | understood... I was thinking that seeing these breakins represented a priority interrupt |
| 08:13.26 | nsadmin | with a quick solution |
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| 08:14.57 | nsadmin | btw do any of those directory components start with a . ? |
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| 08:15.59 | cybercobra | nsadmin: negative |
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| 08:17.03 | nsadmin | one thing you could do, is grep all config files for the part of the path that's unique and not part of the path you requested |
| 08:17.59 | nsadmin | I'm guessing it might be piecing that part together |
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| 08:20.09 | cybercobra | nsadmin: no hits |
| 08:20.20 | nsadmin | show the line you used? |
| 08:21.04 | cybercobra | grep 'var/folders' /etc/* |
| 08:21.21 | nsadmin | try this variant |
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| 08:21.38 | nsadmin | grep -r var/folders /etc |
| 08:22.28 | cybercobra | still bupkis |
| 08:23.16 | nsadmin | show the whole path it tries to access again? |
| 08:23.43 | nsadmin | (no / in first char of line, irc coughs from that) |
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| 08:25.04 | EmleyMoor | There are ways to do it... |
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| 08:25.28 | nsadmin | it's easy enough to put a space first |
| 08:25.34 | cybercobra | nsadmin: /var/folders/JQ/JQvxG8GeFdmoqruDVtsydE+++TI/-Tmp-/home/admin/sources.list |
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| 08:26.07 | nsadmin | try variations like... |
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| 08:26.22 | EmleyMoor | nsadmin: With irssi, / space / would work |
| 08:26.24 | nsadmin | grep -r JQ/JQ /etc |
| 08:26.31 | EmleyMoor | With some clients, /say / |
| 08:27.12 | nsadmin | grep -r JQvxG8GeFdmoqruDVtsydE+++TI/-Tmp- /etc |
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| 08:27.45 | cybercobra | nsadmin: you think they're hardcoded salts or somthing? |
| 08:28.22 | nsadmin | well if the grep comes up with somethign, that means they weren't hardcoded, instead they are listed in a config |
| 08:28.48 | OpenTokix | cybercobra: I get like a couple of million tries a day |
| 08:29.11 | OpenTokix | So..... that is why you do not use password authentication =) |
| 08:29.17 | nsadmin | patpats his fail2ban :) |
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| 08:29.27 | MrZhi | argh, why does installing mysql require Exim |
| 08:29.40 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: I have one macien with password, just installed fail2ban |
| 08:29.57 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: Do I need to do something with it, from the default config - if I just want sshstuff, on debian |
| 08:30.02 | EmleyMoor | MrZhi: Sure it requires exim rather than any MTA? |
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| 08:30.20 | OpenTokix | MrZhi: It just want a mta. |
| 08:30.31 | OpenTokix | MrZhi: exim is default configured for local delivery only |
| 08:30.51 | MrZhi | well, in that case |
| 08:30.51 | nsadmin | I think by default it does ssh |
| 08:30.58 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: ok, coolers |
| 08:31.00 | nsadmin | watch the auth.log |
| 08:31.16 | nsadmin | and/or the fail2ban log |
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| 08:31.43 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: why didnt I think of that? =) |
| 08:31.44 | OpenTokix | haha |
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| 08:36.02 | nsadmin | watch em both in separate xterms :) |
| 08:36.20 | nsadmin | watch em drop like so many flies! |
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| 08:38.56 | cybercobra | sigh, 1:38am. guess I'll pick this up tomorrow. |
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| 08:39.11 | cybercobra | nsadmin: thanks for your valiant attempt |
| 08:39.27 | pozic | Which groups can install packages via Synaptic? |
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| 08:40.16 | nsadmin | only root can install packages |
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| 08:45.59 | pozic | nsadmin: I want to grant the right to some trusted users to install certain well-tested packages. Is there any way to do that? |
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| 08:46.40 | pozic | nsadmin: I know that you can kill the complete security of the system if you hand over Synaptic to a malicious user, but that's not the case here. |
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| 08:52.13 | gan | please help me to boot in xen kernel |
| 08:52.30 | nsadmin | if you grant them right to install certain packages, you grant them the right to install all packages and to remove them |
| 08:52.56 | nsadmin | additionally since only root can install packages, you also grant them the right to do everything else |
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| 08:53.18 | nsadmin | I gues you could set up sudo |
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| 08:54.24 | nsadmin | gan xen dom0 kernels are not in the same format as normal kernels, you have to boot them from the hypervisor |
| 08:54.52 | gan | nsadmin, it was working fine in lenny machine |
| 08:54.55 | nsadmin | update-grub should see all your xenable kernels and all your hypervisors and create a cross product of them |
| 08:55.04 | nsadmin | lenny is latest stable |
| 08:55.07 | gan | no i installed the squeeze |
| 08:55.12 | nsadmin | anything after that... |
| 08:55.20 | nsadmin | is not necessarily stable |
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| 08:55.59 | gan | nsadmin, i do not know how to give the entry in grub-pc for xen |
| 08:56.24 | nsadmin | what's grub-pc? |
| 08:56.41 | gan | nsadmin, if i update the grub it is generating the grub.cfg but that is not running the xen |
| 08:57.07 | gan | nsadmin, it is the newer version of grub package given in squeeaze |
| 08:57.27 | nsadmin | maybe that's the problem |
| 08:57.30 | pozic | nsadmin: just because they can run one program, does not mean they have enough technical skills to break the whole system. |
| 08:57.37 | gan | nsadmin, could you the entry line for xen in grub.cfg.. |
| 08:57.47 | gan | nsadmin, could you give the entry line for xen in grub.cfg.. |
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| 08:57.50 | pozic | nsadmin: it is to make sure that they can upgrade things like Iceweasel. |
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| 08:58.18 | nsadmin | gan: I run legacy grub, not latest grub |
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| 08:58.42 | gan | nsadmin, yeah the leagacy grub is running fine |
| 08:59.07 | gan | i want to know the entry line format for xen using grub-pc |
| 08:59.41 | nsadmin | gan: why did you install latest grub? |
| 09:00.03 | blahbla | hello |
| 09:00.05 | gan | nsadmin, the squeeze defaultly installing the grub-pc |
| 09:00.19 | nsadmin | why go to squeeze? |
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| 09:00.33 | gan | nsadmin, so i am unable to change it to grub-legacy |
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| 09:02.00 | blahbla | hi guys. I'm trying to install linux onto my computer and put /boot onto an external usb drive.. but when it comes to install grub I become unstuck. either choosing to install the bootloader to /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda doesn't work... I've tried grub-install /dev/sda1 but that doesn't work. anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 09:02.33 | nsadmin | ok, but I'm unable to speak about grub-pc |
| 09:03.12 | nsadmin | blahbla: I guess you could do whatever, but things will work the best when /boot is on the boot drive |
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| 09:04.33 | gan | can anyone give me the entry line for xen in grub.cfg |
| 09:04.58 | Bushmills | blahbla: grub-install --force --root-directory=... . --force possibly unnecessary, but likely for usb flash drives |
| 09:05.05 | blahbla | perhaps, but I'm trying to install an encrypted system with /boot on a usb drive |
| 09:05.14 | gan | nsadmin, if you want edit some line for grub , where ll u do it |
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| 09:05.37 | masterkorp | hello, i trying to get xsane working with my HP deskjet 2187, i searched and didn't found anything |
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| 09:07.45 | nsadmin | gan: I guess the same place (at least by default), is /boot/grub/ |
| 09:08.14 | gan | nsadmin, are you using the file menu.lst |
| 09:08.18 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.45 | nsadmin | yes |
| 09:08.46 | gan | nsadmin, because i am doing in grub.cfg |
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| 09:09.11 | masterkorp | can anyone help, or point me to the right direction? |
| 09:09.17 | gan | does anyone know how to edit the file grub.cfg |
| 09:09.51 | Bushmills | you don't. you edit files in /etc/grub.d, and update grub |
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| 09:10.22 | Bushmills | update-grub2 generates a new .cfg from those |
| 09:10.24 | nsadmin | does update-grub make images too? |
| 09:10.49 | blahbla | cheers bushmills i'll give it a shot |
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| 09:11.37 | masterkorp | do i need to provide some cfg files? |
| 09:11.47 | Bushmills | editing grub.cfg directly would result in losing your changes, next time update-grub is executed |
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| 09:15.40 | gan | does anyone know how to edit the file grub.cfg |
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| 09:16.15 | petemc | gan: why ask questions if you're going to ignore the answers you receive? |
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| 09:17.22 | gan | petemc, i didnt get any answers for my query |
| 09:17.29 | petemc | you sure did |
| 09:17.33 | gan | petemc, to ignore |
| 09:17.55 | petemc | 10:09 < Bushmills> you don't. you edit files in /etc/grub.d, and update grub |
| 09:17.56 | masterkorp | gan, the grub2 doesn't allow you to directly edit the grub.cfg |
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| 09:18.13 | tgywa | Hello |
| 09:18.16 | tgywa | Can I get libpgperl for Ubuntu 64 bit system? |
| 09:18.29 | petemc | tgywa: ask #ubuntu |
| 09:18.31 | gan | masterkorp, then hoe to do it |
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| 09:18.46 | masterkorp | in #ubuntu they can help you better |
| 09:18.48 | gan | masterkorp, do u have any doc for thta |
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| 09:19.05 | masterkorp | gan ijust like petemec said |
| 09:19.20 | gan | masterkorp, i am using debian os how can i get the help from ubuntu |
| 09:19.21 | petemc | just like i said Bushmills said, to be more accurate :) |
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| 09:20.08 | masterkorp | the anwser for using ubuntu was for tgywa |
| 09:20.26 | nsadmin | libpgperl is probably the lib containing the postgres stored-proc language of perl in debian and all tha based-ons |
| 09:20.34 | blahbla | bushmills: whats the paramater for --root-directory= if / and everything is on hda1 and /boot is on sda1? |
| 09:20.34 | masterkorp | soo, can anyone help me on xsane with my HP Deskjet 2187 |
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| 09:21.49 | tgywa | libpgperl is a library which enables perl to interact with postgresql database backend |
| 09:22.05 | tgywa | nsadmin, libpgperl is a library which enables perl to interact with postgresql database backend |
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| 09:22.51 | masterkorp | tgywa, ask on #ubuntu forums please, they will be more accurate |
| 09:22.59 | tgywa | ok |
| 09:23.07 | nsadmin | , versions libpgperl |
| 09:23.10 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libpgperl' was found. |
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| 09:23.26 | nsadmin | , versions pgperl |
| 09:23.29 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pgperl' was found. |
| 09:23.48 | Bushmills | blahbla: takes a directory, where you mounted the boot partition |
| 09:23.53 | nsadmin | I'm sure it's in there under some name |
| 09:24.45 | blahbla | so its alright for /boot to be mounted when I run grub-install? |
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| 09:25.40 | Bushmills | yes, even necessary |
| 09:25.53 | Wooga_ | can anyone give me your /lib/lsb/init-functions? |
| 09:26.03 | blahbla | ah, maybe thats where I've been going wrong. |
| 09:26.18 | nsadmin | postgresql-plperl-8.3 - PL/Perl procedural language for PostgreSQL 8.3 |
| 09:28.14 | jelly-hme | Wooga_: which debian release are you using? |
| 09:28.20 | Wooga_ | jelly-hme: gentoo |
| 09:28.24 | nsadmin | tgywa: try apt-cache search postgresql perl |
| 09:28.32 | jelly-hme | Wooga_: which debian release do you want it from? |
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| 09:28.46 | Wooga_ | jelly-hme: lenny, i suppose |
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| 09:29.22 | Cypris | is there a shell script version of IIF? if your unfamiliar with it, in js its called a trinary operator, which looks like ((if condition)?true:false) i.e. UserID=1; ((UserID == 1)?"bob":"jeff") would result with "bob". anything like this in linux? |
| 09:29.40 | nsadmin | what's iif? |
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| 09:30.21 | nsadmin | oic, the conditional expression from C |
| 09:30.27 | Cypris | its more or less an inline if statement...kinda.. |
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| 09:30.50 | jelly-hme | Wooga_: http://yourpaste.net/5722 |
| 09:30.58 | Wooga_ | jelly-hme: thank you! |
| 09:31.04 | nsadmin | it's like if but it fits in expressions |
| 09:31.23 | nsadmin | I'd guess case statement is the closest |
| 09:31.24 | Cypris | seems like every language calls it a different name |
| 09:31.35 | masterkorp | can ayone help me setting the xsane with my HP Deskjet F2187 |
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| 09:32.24 | nsadmin | Cypris: perhaps :) but C is the first to use that form |
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| 09:33.00 | Cypris | the first? as in factually the first? ok learn somethin new everyday |
| 09:33.20 | nsadmin | and "conditional -expression-" is pretty descriptive of what it is, aside from being the name used in the language description reference |
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| 09:34.03 | achilles | hello, I'm looking for a mailing list manager with web capabilities, can anybody suggest please ? |
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| 09:34.28 | Cypris | ok nsadmin "what it is" aside, do we know if it exists in shell scripting |
| 09:34.40 | nsadmin | not by that syntac |
| 09:34.42 | nsadmin | x |
| 09:34.58 | petemc | achilles: mailman |
| 09:35.03 | nsadmin | unless there's one in tcsh |
| 09:36.06 | jelly-hme | Wooga_: np. debian packages are just archives in ar format, you can use ar x foo.deb and tar on the resulting data.tar.gz to get the contents of a package. |
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| 09:36.37 | achilles | petemc, thank you, I'm on it's home page, it doesn't seem to be web-managed, is it ? |
| 09:36.38 | jelly-hme | Wooga_: you can also use http://packages.debian.org/ to see which package a file belongs to, and download the package |
| 09:36.39 | nsadmin | which makes them simpler than rpms :) |
| 09:37.08 | petemc | achilles: yes |
| 09:37.15 | achilles | petemc, that's great |
| 09:37.18 | blahbla | so should this work to install grub to a /boot mounted from a usb drive : /usr/sbin/grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda1 ?? |
| 09:37.19 | masterkorp | everyone have affraid of printers |
| 09:37.21 | masterkorp | D |
| 09:37.24 | achilles | thank you! |
| 09:37.37 | petemc | achilles: its not without its faults, but its probably the most popular mlm |
| 09:38.15 | nsadmin | I only have half a printer... it only has the printer half, not the scanner half |
| 09:38.27 | achilles | petemc, I see, thanks |
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| 09:39.28 | masterkorp | once again, can ayone help me setting the xsane with my HP Deskjet F2187? |
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| 09:42.47 | masterkorp | please anyone ? :( |
| 09:43.07 | eshat | masterkorp: did you check, if it is supported ? |
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| 09:43.33 | masterkorp | i checked i didn't found any relevant info |
| 09:43.53 | masterkorp | but i know thta in ubuntu i works perfectly |
| 09:43.57 | eshat | sane-project-org says HP Deskjet f2187 All-in-one Printer Good |
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| 09:45.14 | masterkorp | eshay, can you point me to documentation? |
| 09:45.18 | masterkorp | *eshat |
| 09:45.29 | eshat | masterkorp: ok, so what exactly is your problem,... does xsane find the scanner, when starting ? and which debian version are u using |
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| 09:46.13 | masterkorp | i don't find any device, the debian is the last and updated version |
| 09:46.45 | masterkorp | i run hp-setup and the printing works perfectly, but not the scanning |
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| 09:51.42 | eshat | masterkorp: did you check for a /dev/video0 device, after connecting ? |
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| 09:54.24 | masterkorp | no, how i do that? |
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| 09:55.24 | eshat | masterkorp: check with ls /dev/video0 if it exists |
| 09:56.55 | masterkorp | eshat, i found it, it is a permissions problem |
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| 09:57.06 | masterkorp | sudo xsane solves the problem |
| 09:57.11 | eshat | masterkorp: you need to be in video group |
| 09:57.35 | eshat | masterkorp: or scanner,.... I do not know exactly |
| 09:57.43 | eshat | but than it should work without sudo |
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| 09:59.59 | masterkorp | eshat, maybe it's the permissions on /usr/lib/sane/libsane-hpaio.so.1 ? |
| 10:00.32 | eshat | masterkorp: no, you need to be in scanner or video group, depending on the group of /dev/videoX |
| 10:00.51 | eshat | ahh it is scanner |
| 10:01.04 | eshat | so do a sudo usermod -a -G scanner your_username |
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| 10:01.12 | eshat | logout and in again, and it should work |
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| 10:04.03 | DannyButterman | Hi there |
| 10:04.29 | amkrankruleuen | Hi! |
| 10:04.55 | DannyButterman | Does someone know how to fix the etch sources.list for main contrib nonfree ? got Error 404 |
| 10:05.14 | eshat | it is non-free |
| 10:05.19 | eshat | DannyButterman: not nonfree |
| 10:05.29 | petemc | DannyButterman: etch is no longer on the mirrors and not supported, you can get packages from archive.debian.org but they will be out of date |
| 10:05.32 | DannyButterman | yes, non-free sorry |
| 10:05.48 | petemc | DannyButterman: you should upgrade to lenny |
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| 10:06.20 | DannyButterman | I will, i'm waiting for my new machine to be delivered |
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| 10:07.30 | DannyButterman | archive.debian.org ? deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free ? |
| 10:07.33 | masterkorp | eshat, thank you soo much |
| 10:07.47 | eshat | masterkorp: no problem |
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| 10:25.26 | a-s | There are projects where gdb takes 10 minutes to load. I wish to understand why. what happens when gdb starts ? |
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| 10:30.21 | dalias | anyone know how to work around this bug in the rename program? it's ignoring my locale... |
| 10:30.57 | dalias | rename -n "s/[0-9A-Za-z.]/_/g" * |
| 10:31.16 | dalias | each non-ascii character is getting replaced with 2 or 3 _'s rather than 1 |
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| 10:32.05 | themill | other way around? |
| 10:32.50 | dalias | each non-ascii character is getting replaced with 2 or 3 _'s rather than 1but it's treating the constituent bytes of utf-8 as characters |
| 10:33.08 | themill | dalias: that command would replace ascii characters, not non-ascii characters |
| 10:33.24 | dalias | oops i left out the ^ when i typed it on irc :) |
| 10:33.29 | dalias | there's an ^ after the [ |
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| 10:34.15 | themill | yeah, makes more sense. Have you got an example filename? and which "rename" is this? (readlink -f /usr/bin/rename) |
| 10:36.21 | dalias | prename |
| 10:37.39 | dalias | the #! line should have -CDSA on it |
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| 10:37.46 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 10:37.52 | dalias | but that's giving me a weird error |
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| 10:38.20 | dalias | what's the man page for perl command line options? |
| 10:38.36 | Riviera | perlun |
| 10:38.38 | Riviera | perlrun |
| 10:38.46 | Nebukadneza | i'm having some trouble building a 2.6.35-rc3 kernel package with make-kpkg - i issue a CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 make-kpkg --initrd --append_to_version edgebuzz --revision 0 kernel_image and what i get at the end of the compile process is: dpkg-deb - error: (upstream) version (`unknown') doesn't contain any digits |
| 10:38.55 | Nebukadneza | does anyone have even the slightest idea what this could be? |
| 10:44.46 | dalias | removing the -w that was there made the problem go away :-p |
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| 10:51.35 | Chrisitan | hi ? |
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| 10:51.48 | EmleyMoor | Can we help you? |
| 10:51.51 | Chrisitan | well i wanna make perl no one can run just system and root is possible ? |
| 10:52.27 | Athas | You could make the Perl script check the UID. |
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| 10:52.49 | Chrisitan | :/ |
| 10:52.57 | Chrisitan | whats the uid |
| 10:53.01 | Athas | Or make root the owner and give it 0700 permissions. |
| 10:53.27 | Athas | The UID is the user-ID of the user running the program. |
| 10:53.45 | Athas | root always has UID 0 (I'm not sure what you mean by "system", though). |
| 10:54.18 | Chrisitan | i wanna make this bcuz someone upload something named c99 shell in apache, and was running perl with apache user so i wanna make perl only for ssytem |
| 10:54.25 | dalias | themill, should i submit a bug report? |
| 10:57.06 | schatan | hi, i m using znc... how can i bind chans to a server? and how can i switch in my client (xchat)? if i msg status jump then he disconnects me from the server i m on to the next one in the list... is it maybe possible to run 2 server with different chans at the same time? thx |
| 10:57.06 | jelly-home | Chrisitan: perl is a generic language interpreter and all sorts of things would break if you changed its permissions to only be executable by root |
| 10:57.25 | Chrisitan | yes |
| 10:57.29 | Chrisitan | in ubuntu channel say me that |
| 10:57.35 | jelly-home | Chrisitan: in short it's rather hard to know what is "system"; many packages create their own user |
| 10:57.36 | Chrisitan | so well, hm apache use perl ? |
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| 10:58.11 | Chrisitan | can i make apache can't run perl ? |
| 10:58.15 | jelly-home | Chrisitan: you could set up a cron job to mail you if there's a perl script running under user www-data |
| 10:58.26 | themill | dalias: -CDA sounds reasonable, although that would probably break non-unicode locales. It should work with -w though... -w should be the default in perl anyway. |
| 10:58.44 | dalias | -w makes it complain abou a non-unicode option character somewhere |
| 10:58.46 | Athas | It won't prevent people from running arbitrary code, though, which is the real problem you have. |
| 10:58.51 | dalias | but i can't fidn where |
| 10:58.54 | Athas | They could just use PHP instead. |
| 10:58.56 | themill | dalias: :( |
| 10:59.04 | dalias | perhaps some internal bug in option parsing libs |
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| 11:00.09 | Chrisitan | well |
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| 11:01.00 | Chrisitan | i remember a package, where u can put when someone is trying to enter ssh and fail 3 times the ssh ban ip |
| 11:01.05 | Chrisitan | but i dont rememeber |
| 11:01.19 | qq- | fail2ban |
| 11:01.39 | dalias | themill, -CLDSA :) |
| 11:01.41 | Chrisitan | exactly okey |
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| 11:01.47 | dalias | that should avoid breaking ppls legacy locales.. |
| 11:01.47 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.54 | Bushmills | laternatively, denyhosts |
| 11:02.02 | Chrisitan | and wget ? can make it only for root ? someone else use it ?? |
| 11:02.25 | themill | sends Chrisitan back to #ubuntu |
| 11:02.29 | jelly-home | Chrisitan: Ah. Also, if you have working POSIX ACLs, you could make /usr/bin/perl not executable for user www-data, sure |
| 11:02.46 | Chrisitan | exactly |
| 11:02.47 | Chrisitan | thats i want |
| 11:03.03 | Chrisitan | how i can know if posix is runing ? |
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| 11:03.23 | jelly-home | Chrisitan: read about ACLs. You'll need to mount your filesystems with "acl" mount option, and then setfacl command will work |
| 11:03.37 | jelly-home | !acl |
| 11:03.37 | dpkg | acl is probably Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 11:03.40 | Chrisitan | k i will search in google |
| 11:03.42 | Chrisitan | oh |
| 11:03.44 | Chrisitan | okey xD |
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| 11:04.28 | jelly-home | I jsut tried it on a small shell script with mode 755, and www-data@kanta-linux:~$ ~jelly/a.sh -su: /home/jelly/a.sh: Permission denied |
| 11:04.52 | Chrisitan | :o |
| 11:05.06 | Bushmills | makes not a lot of sense to disallow wget to non-root users. to use wget, one would have a login, a shell account. consider machines which offer shell accounts to untrusted users as compromised. |
| 11:05.17 | dalias | ironically, posix acl's are NOT POSIX last i checked |
| 11:05.28 | Chrisitan | iam only user |
| 11:05.29 | Chrisitan | root |
| 11:05.30 | Chrisitan | ;) |
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| 11:05.54 | dalias | linux has this absurd but sometimes effective habit of naming "foo" as "POSIX foo" in an attempt to bully posix into including it :) |
| 11:06.04 | seanw | Hi all. I am trying to install the non-free nvidia drivers on squeeze. However nothing seems to be working because I have kernel 2.6.32-trunk-686 which has none of the packages. What is the -trunk- ? |
| 11:06.06 | Bushmills | what's the use of limiting execution of wget, then, if there are no other users |
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| 11:06.17 | kdeuser^ | Hey |
| 11:06.21 | liable | seanw: upgrade your kernel |
| 11:06.23 | kdeuser^ | I have lenny installed on my laptop |
| 11:06.28 | liable | trunk is old now |
| 11:06.36 | liable | its up to -5 or so.. |
| 11:06.39 | seanw | liable, how can I force that to happen? I've already done an apt-get upgrade |
| 11:06.46 | kdeuser^ | I used gparted to reduce the size of my /home partition to create a ntfs partition |
| 11:06.57 | kdeuser^ | Now I unable to mount my /home |
| 11:07.05 | liable | seanw: you need to manually install a newer one, or install the kernel meta package |
| 11:07.10 | kdeuser^ | I get an error saying invalid superblock |
| 11:07.19 | jelly-home | dalias: I honestly thought they were sanctified |
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| 11:07.27 | Chrisitan | bcuz they use wget for download bullshi** |
| 11:07.36 | seanw | liable, okay. What version meta package should I install? |
| 11:07.48 | liable | seanw: the nvidia modules seem to lag a bit after a kernel release though |
| 11:07.54 | liable | seanw: what arch? |
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| 11:07.57 | Bushmills | you said you are the only user. there are no "they |
| 11:07.59 | Bushmills | " |
| 11:08.24 | seanw | liable, i386 |
| 11:08.28 | jelly-home | Chrisitan: you're doing it the wrong way. Instead of making common commands unavailable, fix your vulnerable web apps! |
| 11:08.40 | liable | seanw: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 11:08.47 | seanw | Thanks. |
| 11:08.59 | Chrisitan | i alredy delete contact.php |
| 11:09.04 | seanw | heh that does nothing; claims it is already installed. |
| 11:09.04 | Chrisitan | form e107 |
| 11:09.20 | jelly-home | Chrisitan: this means inspecting the logs, finding who/what uploaded that, blocking that web site and notifying the user to fix their app |
| 11:09.25 | liable | seanw: testing or stable? |
| 11:09.29 | seanw | liable, testing. |
| 11:09.31 | liable | err, sid.. |
| 11:09.34 | kdeuser^ | This is an error I get, http://www.pastebin.ca/1892402 |
| 11:09.38 | liable | oh right |
| 11:09.54 | jelly-home | Chrisitan: restricting normal users from invoking wget is silly |
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| 11:10.24 | liable | seanw: then testing hasnt gotten the latest version yet i suppose |
| 11:10.34 | liable | wouldnt think it would be far off |
| 11:10.40 | seanw | So I can't have my nvidia drivers, basically? I'm happy to wait a bit I guess. |
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| 11:10.46 | Chrisitan | well something else, hm i see the code they upload whas a c99.php or someting like that i can't search for another .php containt that infromation ? |
| 11:10.56 | liable | seanw: you can manually build it |
| 11:11.07 | Chrisitan | maybe they pload the code in another dir |
| 11:11.10 | liable | !tell seanw -about nvidia |
| 11:11.16 | liable | seanw: see the wiki link |
| 11:11.40 | Sm0ke0ut | !tell Sm0ke0ut -about nvidia |
| 11:12.01 | liable | !tell Sm0ke0ut -about selftell |
| 11:12.03 | seanw | liable, dpkg is telling me lies, heh - "The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now." - I have just found this to not be true :D |
| 11:12.12 | dalias | jelly-home, posix allows an implementation to have whatever sort of advanced permissions system it wants, beyond the traditional one. but that's different than acl's being specified by posix |
| 11:12.18 | kdeuser^ | Can anyone help me |
| 11:12.33 | liable | seanw: aptitude search linux-image-2.6 just to see if theres a newer one |
| 11:12.42 | abrotman | seanw: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 11:13.10 | Sm0ke0ut | yeah no problem. I just wanted to know as well, but didn't know another way to get there |
| 11:13.13 | seanw | abrotman, 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 11:13.26 | seanw | liable, hmm, there is linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 11:13.30 | liable | Sm0ke0ut: wasn't having a go :) letting you know how |
| 11:13.36 | seanw | Is that newer or older? Don't grok these version numbers. |
| 11:13.39 | liable | there ya go |
| 11:13.41 | liable | newer |
| 11:13.47 | Sm0ke0ut | Thanks |
| 11:13.51 | liable | dunno why your meta package didnt pull it in |
| 11:13.58 | abrotman | seanw: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. then boot the -5-, then remove the -trunk- |
| 11:14.10 | abrotman | liable: it does .. the bootloader packages don't seem to be able to sort correctly |
| 11:14.20 | milligan_ | I need to replace a piece of text in a file, with another piece of text. sed is not available. Suggestions to commands I can use ? |
| 11:14.30 | liable | ah right, yeah my trunk is at the top too in grub |
| 11:14.41 | seanw | Mysterious - linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 fails but linux-image-686 worked. |
| 11:15.14 | Bushmills | milligan_: sed is essential package in debian |
| 11:15.40 | seanw | abrotman, you are right - further, it seems to have nuked Windos from my grub menu, annoying. |
| 11:15.46 | Bushmills | so when not available, your're not using debian, or you're doing homework which disallows use of certain tools |
| 11:15.57 | abrotman | seanw: if you're using grub2, make sure os-prober is installed |
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| 11:17.02 | seanw | abrotman, it is installed. |
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| 11:18.21 | seanw | liable, abrotman: that seems to have got m-a happily installing the kernel module now - thank you for your help. |
| 11:18.37 | iq | How install file .tar.gz ? please who know learn me step by step because i'm new user |
| 11:18.41 | liable | seanw: isnt there prebuilt for that kernel? |
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| 11:18.51 | abrotman | there should be |
| 11:19.00 | liable | no |
| 11:19.04 | liable | not even in sid yet |
| 11:19.08 | liable | -4 |
| 11:19.10 | abrotman | seanw: os-prober should see the win partition and add that to the list |
| 11:19.15 | abrotman | liable: stupid nvidia !~ |
| 11:19.38 | seanw | How can I remove the old kernel? |
| 11:19.41 | liable | i concur |
| 11:19.43 | seanw | Just remove its meta-package? |
| 11:19.53 | liable | i bought a new laptop with a bloody nvidia card |
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| 11:20.09 | axe | iq, man tar |
| 11:20.12 | liable | seanw: no, manually remove the actuall version |
| 11:20.17 | abrotman | seanw: no, remove the actual package name |
| 11:20.21 | OpenTokix | liable: turn it in to the police, if it has blood on it. |
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| 11:20.32 | petemc | !tell iq about tar |
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| 11:21.37 | liable | !beat OpenTokix for making bad jokes |
| 11:21.37 | dpkg | beats OpenTokix for making bad jokes with a large stick. |
| 11:21.43 | liable | :P |
| 11:22.09 | abrotman | liable: that wasn't very smart of you :) |
| 11:22.48 | WormFood | hhhmmm....I must be overlooking something....when I do an "echo -e 1\t2", I get "1t2"...why isn't it replacing the \t with a tab? |
| 11:22.52 | liable | hey, my bot foo needs polish :P |
| 11:23.17 | seanw | liable, abrotman: so, linux-image-2.6.32-trunk.686 ? |
| 11:23.18 | WormFood | ahhh....I have to include it in double quotes, so the shell does not fuck with the \ |
| 11:23.23 | seanw | -trunk-686* |
| 11:23.26 | liable | yeah |
| 11:23.39 | SPF | WormFood: use " |
| 11:23.40 | WormFood | or use \\t if no double quotes |
| 11:24.16 | seanw | liable, deeply worrying error... "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)" - I am guessing this is why Windows dissapeared? |
| 11:24.20 | liable | abrotman: oh, you meant about the laptop? |
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| 11:24.35 | abrotman | liable: yeah |
| 11:24.45 | liable | seanw: meep, ok, this sounds fun |
| 11:24.52 | liable | what have you done? |
| 11:25.04 | seanw | Nothing! It's a fresh install of testing from the netinst. |
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| 11:25.17 | seanw | I just installed my usual packages, cloned my homedir and set about installing the nvidia drivers. |
| 11:25.18 | liable | abrotman: didnt have a choice unfortunately for the model i wanted, works fine with vesa anyway :) |
| 11:25.28 | abrotman | liable: tried nv or nouveau? |
| 11:25.36 | liable | not yet |
| 11:25.42 | Chrisitan | thanks alot |
| 11:25.55 | seanw | I should note it's an encrypted HDD using the methods in the Debian installer. |
| 11:26.33 | seanw | wonders if rebooting is a good idea. |
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| 11:26.50 | liable | hmm, my grub2 and crypto knowledge is poor, i'll let someone else help with that |
| 11:26.55 | liable | seanw: dont yet |
| 11:27.09 | seanw | I don't think I@m running grub2 |
| 11:27.21 | seanw | But I guess I could be - how could I find out? |
| 11:27.40 | liable | how many files are in /boot? lots? |
| 11:27.54 | liable | err, /boot/grub |
| 11:27.58 | seanw | Yeah lots |
| 11:28.03 | liable | grub2 |
| 11:28.04 | seanw | grub2 then. |
| 11:28.09 | seanw | :) |
| 11:28.33 | seanw | I think I will try an update-grub and see what errors I get. |
| 11:28.42 | seanw | Yeah, same error returned. |
| 11:30.07 | iq | axe and petemc.. sorry i didn't saw you are wrote to me |
| 11:30.27 | iq | i want install many app all is by .tar.gz |
| 11:30.31 | seanw | liable, do you think this might have something to do with the change from device names to UUIDs? It happened *during* the squeeze install which was worrying. |
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| 11:30.40 | iq | can learn me how install this please |
| 11:30.49 | petemc | iq: you dont want to install apps via tar.gz |
| 11:31.03 | iq | one file for example to then i learn to do with all |
| 11:31.07 | petemc | iq: you should use aptitude |
| 11:31.19 | liable | seanw: nah, |
| 11:31.29 | liable | sounds like crypto to me |
| 11:31.51 | seanw | Hmm. Looking in /dev there are plenty of devices for /... |
| 11:31.53 | iq | sorry how i do that |
| 11:31.55 | iq | i'm new |
| 11:32.03 | iq | i didn't get clear |
| 11:32.43 | iq | please |
| 11:32.55 | Avasz | iq, he means aptitude install <packagename> |
| 11:33.07 | Avasz | iq, aptitude install <app-name> |
| 11:33.13 | seanw | !tell iq about aptitude |
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| 11:35.00 | Avasz | !aptitude | iq |
| 11:35.03 | iq | i get web site about this thank you all help |
| 11:35.05 | abrotman | Avasz: wrong bot |
| 11:35.16 | abrotman | iq: what are you trying to install? Which version of linux are you using |
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| 11:35.39 | abrotman | oh .. he's not using debian |
| 11:35.49 | Avasz | you ctcp'ed him? |
| 11:35.52 | iq | i try install driver and app |
| 11:35.56 | abrotman | iq: if you're still using backtrack, go ask #backtrack-linux |
| 11:35.56 | Avasz | he is using ubuntu ;) |
| 11:36.05 | abrotman | Avasz: he's been using backtrack the last few times he's asked here |
| 11:36.05 | iq | Banned |
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| 11:36.13 | iq | all channel banned me |
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| 11:36.44 | abrotman | iq: just because you're banned in the cahnnel for your distro, does NOT make it okay to ask here. Try ##linux or a web forum for your distro. This channel only supports Debian. |
| 11:36.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 11:37.08 | themill | iq: that point has been made a good number of times to you in the past. Please listen. |
| 11:37.56 | ikonia | Avasz: he's actually using backtrack |
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| 11:39.35 | seanw | liable, a reboot is fine, as the grub menu still has my current kernel in it. I guess I'll google around to try and fix update-grub. THanks again for your help. |
| 11:39.41 | liable | poor bugger.. |
| 11:39.52 | liable | seanw: np, good luck |
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| 11:47.53 | mns | Under X11 I have my Caps and Ctrl keys inter-changed. I want to do the same for the console, anyone know how to do that so that it works regardless of what shell I use ? |
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| 11:53.47 | peterrooney | mns: aside from the "why would you want to do that" the answer might lie in your keymap. man loadkeys, man dumpkeys |
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| 11:54.56 | seanw | liable, seems it's a known bug. Suggestion is to try the kernel in unstbale.. I think I'#ll get supergrub and wait :) |
| 11:54.56 | peterrooney | mns: a more fine-grained per-session approach might be mucking with readline. |
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| 11:55.07 | mns | peterrooney: because I spend time on the console :) I am not always running X11. |
| 11:55.38 | liable | seanw: the kernel in unstable is the same as testing |
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| 11:57.37 | SPF | using rsh in a while loop causes the while loop to abort? why? --> http://pastebin.com/t5qti2Nx |
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| 12:14.59 | SPF | rsh -n solves it |
| 12:15.11 | pozic | Do you give e.g. your family access to administrative tasks when they don't know e.g. what a file system is? |
| 12:15.47 | abrotman | pozic: probably depends which administrative tasks |
| 12:16.04 | liable | i wouldnt |
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| 12:16.23 | pozic | abrotman: I would like them to be able to upgrade e.g. Firefox. |
| 12:16.38 | pozic | abrotman: and more importantly, there should also be a downgrade button somewhere. |
| 12:16.46 | liable | no such thing |
| 12:17.05 | pozic | liable: installing multiple versions at the same time should be possible. |
| 12:17.24 | liable | huh? |
| 12:17.28 | pozic | liable: OTOH, it is not something which Debian really supports except for compiler packages. |
| 12:17.55 | liable | yeah, different package names |
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| 12:27.17 | peterrooney | SPF: well, for one, this short script is already too complex, having nested loops. which level is being aborted? |
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| 12:31.14 | SPF | peterrooney: df should cause the while loop to make at least 3 loops. but it only makes one loop |
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| 12:33.00 | kanzie | my system is getting "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B" when trying to do apt-get update |
| 12:33.04 | kanzie | how can I solve this? |
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| 12:36.43 | raz | hrm why do neither apt-get nor aptitude display the version in the list of "the following packages will be upgraded"? |
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| 12:38.21 | abrotman | raz: does -V help ? |
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| 12:39.53 | raz | ah yea |
| 12:39.56 | raz | urgh |
| 12:40.11 | raz | but i'll never be fond of its habit to start installing upgrades right away without asking |
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| 12:40.44 | abrotman | raz: there may be an option in the apt.conf to always do that .. but i'm not aware of it |
| 12:40.53 | abrotman | oh .. it's in the man page |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | This corresponds to the configuration option |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.41 | raz | abrotman: thx, i'll just try to remember -V :) |
| 12:42.08 | abrotman | raz: well, if you put it in the conf file, you won't have to |
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| 12:43.32 | raz | abrotman: it's a broken default. i deal with many hosts every day, some of which are not under my control. i've decided to consciously *not* fix certain warts in my puppet deployments because that might provoke mistakes. (same thing with the "start newly installed daemons by default" => braindead) |
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| 12:44.16 | abrotman | raz: file a wishlist bug to have be on always? |
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| 12:45.30 | raz | hasn't bothered me enough to do that, yet |
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| 12:45.49 | raz | or rather, i'm realist enough to know that my chances to get that chances are infinitely slim |
| 12:46.00 | raz | erm.. "to get that fixed" |
| 12:46.05 | peterrooney | raz: apt-get --recon dist-upgrade | grep ^Inst |
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| 12:47.18 | abrotman | raz: right, but if you file a wishlist, the author will know rethink the default at least .. it's not an awful idea, might make people actually pay attention to "Hey, my libc6 is about to take a major jump, might cause problems" ... |
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| 12:47.37 | BiGViC | hmm I updated epiphany by adding squezze to my source list and know my x11 server won't start so no desktop??? |
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| 12:48.00 | raz | abrotman: if i'd file a bug then it'd rather be about the much more serious auto-start issue |
| 12:48.02 | BiGViC | I'm on irssi now I'm running cmd only... kinda wierd |
| 12:48.06 | raz | but neither today :) |
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| 12:48.40 | abrotman | raz: well, up to you .. but this 'wishlist' would take far less time than the autostart business |
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| 12:50.12 | raz | too minor, really |
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| 12:50.35 | raz | if you'd get me started on that i'd quickly complain about other ui issues, too |
| 12:50.44 | raz | and spend half a day writing up a rant |
| 12:50.54 | raz | which then gets closed/wontfix a day after |
| 12:51.55 | raz | which reminds me of another pet peeve |
| 12:52.03 | raz | anyone know why dpkg sometimes doesn't see all the packages that aptitude sees? |
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| 12:52.24 | raz | i'm quite fond of "dpkg -l" because that gives me installed-status and version at a glance |
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| 12:52.33 | raz | does aptitude have an equiv to that? |
| 12:52.42 | BiGViC | saids x server is disable restart gdm when it is configure correctly??? |
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| 12:53.47 | abrotman | raz: it's not really a minor issue to show the versions you're going to be upgrading to |
| 12:54.07 | raz | you are really trying to talk me into this bug report, aren't you ;) |
| 12:54.08 | abrotman | raz: aptitude search "~i" |
| 12:54.17 | raz | urgh |
| 12:54.18 | abrotman | raz: though dpkg and aptitude should agree |
| 12:54.24 | EmperorTom | Is there is change that has occurred recently in squeeze that might have caused multiple audio streams to no longer be mixed properly? I've been been noticing it for a few weeks now. If something in firefox plays sound, like one of the stupid flash adverts, it kills the audio from ryhthmbox. |
| 12:54.42 | abrotman | raz: sorry, aptitude search '~i' .. single quotes |
| 12:54.46 | raz | thanks.. that's the other ui issue.. anyone find "apti<tab>" horrible to type compared to "dpkg"? ;) |
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| 12:55.13 | raz | hmm they decidedly don't agree on some of my boxes, with many packages missing from "dpkg -l" |
| 12:55.24 | abrotman | lenny or etch? squeeze? |
| 12:55.28 | raz | i haven't yet found out why that happens, couldn't fix it with various "update" etc. commands |
| 12:55.33 | raz | lenny i think |
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| 12:55.58 | rvsjoen | dpkg lists 36 more packages here, compared to aptitude |
| 12:55.59 | raz | otherwise the hosts seem fine so i haven't looked deeper. assumed it would be a matter of dpkg being deprecated. |
| 12:56.20 | raz | rvsjoen: hm then you have the opposite problem, which still seems strange |
| 12:57.41 | cinch | sings: "have patience... have patience... don't be in such a hurry ..." :-) |
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| 12:59.04 | gancient | hi all , i have an option of buying a laptop with either a 5400RPM HDD or a 7200 RPM HDD . I would use it for a moderate amount of kde development. which one should i go for ?? |
| 12:59.18 | OpenTokix | gancient: the ssd |
| 13:00.05 | gancient | OpenTokix: the ssd drives are really costly :( Also the model that i am looking at doesn't have that customization option. |
| 13:00.17 | abrotman | raz: rvsjoen: dpkg --forget-old-unavail ? |
| 13:00.22 | abrotman | or one of those magic ones ... |
| 13:00.32 | liable | has ssd drive. fucking rocks on a laptop for disk reads |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | raz: are any of those etch packages? that might have something to do with it |
| 13:00.57 | raz | abrotman: i've made a note to try your command when i bump into it next |
| 13:00.58 | rvsjoen | says it's obsolete, appears to do nothing |
| 13:01.02 | abrotman | something aptitude has no knowledge of |
| 13:01.03 | raz | can't remember which boxes were affected right now |
| 13:01.15 | gancient | OpenTokix: liable : i am looking at a dell studio 14. |
| 13:01.31 | abrotman | like say .. you switched to using aptitude after a dist-upgrade from etch .. and you still have etch packages sitting on the system |
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| 13:02.41 | liable | gancient: id be tempted to go the 7200 |
| 13:02.50 | rvsjoen | don't think so but i'm not sure, can I make dpkg spit out where the package came from ? |
| 13:02.53 | liable | i read somewhere they can still be slow due to size though |
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| 13:03.59 | gancient | liable: the choice is between a 320GB 5400RPM and a 500GB 7200RPM. Would it affect build speeds ? |
| 13:04.32 | liable | gancient: dunno, see if theres any hardware comparisons around on the web |
| 13:04.36 | mguy | I've been dissapointed with SSD build speeds, all the small writes slow it down |
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| 13:04.42 | liable | or try #hardware |
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| 13:05.04 | mguy | Probably be better to use a ramdisk or caching tool |
| 13:05.17 | gancient | Cannot join #hardware (Channel is invite only). :( |
| 13:05.29 | mguy | gancient: : Is your nick registered with Freenode? |
| 13:05.35 | linduxed | ive heard there is a tool that i can install on my server that sends a mail every week with info about the state of the server |
| 13:05.39 | linduxed | what's it called? |
| 13:05.48 | liable | logwatch |
| 13:05.48 | BiGViC | anyone mind helping me :( |
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| 13:05.53 | liable | daily reports |
| 13:05.56 | BiGViC | I install the new epiphany update by adding squezze to my source list now it saids |
| 13:05.57 | linduxed | liable: will check |
| 13:06.02 | mguy | linduxed: There's a million, you could just have a cronjob do it as well |
| 13:06.07 | BiGViC | saids x server is disable restart gdm when it is configure correctly??? |
| 13:06.08 | gancient | mguy: no , i don't think my nick is registered will do so right away |
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| 13:06.30 | liable | BiGViC: check the log |
| 13:06.48 | BiGViC | how I'm a newb and now very little about the cmd :-S |
| 13:07.08 | liable | install mc and use that |
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| 13:07.18 | liable | the log is in /var/log |
| 13:07.55 | rvsjoen | http://pastebin.com/rKKDYWzW the one's with + are listed by dpkg but not by aptitude |
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| 13:08.34 | rvsjoen | ooh |
| 13:08.41 | rvsjoen | its the ^rc packages from dpkg |
| 13:09.16 | gancient | doesn't know how to register his nick with freenode :( |
| 13:09.23 | rvsjoen | msg nickserv help register |
| 13:09.28 | liable | gancient: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:09.40 | raz | erm hmm wtf |
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| 13:09.59 | raz | inetd can not be removed anymore? |
| 13:10.25 | liable | really? |
| 13:10.41 | raz | netbase depends on openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver |
| 13:11.03 | raz | and all sorts of stuff depends on netbase |
| 13:11.22 | abrotman | raz: so don't enable anything ? |
| 13:11.27 | gancient | :) registered |
| 13:12.20 | raz | abrotman: oh funny you say that. i never installed it consciously. yet it is enabled and contains the talkd service. |
| 13:12.47 | raz | this "let's just start any crap by default" policy is *really* annoying |
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| 13:15.33 | raz | really wonders how on earth talkd got on that system |
| 13:15.57 | raz | is there a log that tells me when it was installed? |
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| 13:16.06 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:16.13 | liable | dpkg and aptitude have logs |
| 13:16.13 | dpkg | liable: I give up, what is it? |
| 13:16.19 | liable | dpkg: shuddup |
| 13:16.19 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 13:16.38 | raz | hmm |
| 13:16.45 | raz | that was today |
| 13:16.46 | gancient | , is dpkg a bot ? |
| 13:16.54 | liable | yes |
| 13:17.11 | raz | i upgraded spamassassin with aptitude |
| 13:17.16 | raz | and it pulled talkd?! |
| 13:17.30 | liable | odd |
| 13:17.33 | gancient | and shuddup is a command to make the bot quite ? |
| 13:17.50 | liable | no, it just replies |
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| 13:21.44 | proc | hello |
| 13:22.19 | proc | I'm installing debian via harddisk. I downloaded the netinst image and am able to boot a kernel via grub. how do I tell the system now to load the netinst image to start the installation? |
| 13:22.46 | BiGViC | how can I list in cmd like dir in windows.. I'm a newb.. lol |
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| 13:22.55 | mguy | BiGViC: 'ls' |
| 13:23.02 | BiGViC | thanks mguy :) |
| 13:23.19 | BiGViC | when I updated epiphany for some reason my x server won't start up now |
| 13:23.57 | mguy | BiGViC: What error message do you get? Did you change your sources.lst before updating epiphany? |
| 13:24.16 | BiGViC | mguy yes I put in squezze |
| 13:24.43 | BiGViC | It updated a whole lot I just wanted to update epiphany if anything I will just reinstall pretty cool seeing the cmd only debian though -_- :) |
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| 13:27.00 | BiGViC | All I ask it to do was apt-get -t squezze install epiphany-browser I got more than I ask for lmao |
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| 13:28.07 | mguy | I think you should have done an apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:28.25 | mguy | You will probably have to re-install, you could try removeing squeeze from soruces.list and update/upgrade though |
| 13:28.31 | liable | no, what he should have done is not add squeeze sources :P |
| 13:28.48 | epsilon | or full upgrade to squeeze |
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| 13:29.08 | epsilon | btw, whats after squeeze? |
| 13:29.13 | mguy | proc: check out section 5.1.3 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en |
| 13:29.17 | epsilon | and name chosen? |
| 13:29.19 | BiGViC | is no biggie I'm just testing it anyways I figure I will have to reinstall |
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| 13:29.36 | rapha | Hi |
| 13:29.42 | BiGViC | I just wanted to up epiphany though thought it would work like backports lol |
| 13:29.47 | epsilon | next time use debootstrap or VM |
| 13:29.55 | BiGViC | linux newb not afriad to mess around :) |
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| 13:30.09 | rapha | I just rm -rf'd /etc - how can I reinstall all installed packages, so that I get at least all default versions of the files back? |
| 13:30.12 | mguy | BiGViC: Install squeeze from the get-go this time. Don't worry about breaking your install this time around, it's how you learn what not to do |
| 13:30.25 | CissWit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.30 | CissWit | Sorry, my fail. |
| 13:30.59 | BiGViC | mguy: wait isn't squeez not "stable" yet? That's why I'm on lenny |
| 13:31.29 | mguy | It's not "stable" but it's stable |
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| 13:32.15 | rapha | HELP! |
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| 13:32.36 | abrotman | !tell rapha about confmiss |
| 13:32.38 | abrotman | !tell rapha about reinstall |
| 13:32.43 | infernix | debian-update-5.0.5-amd64-DVD-1.iso is just the updated debs from 5.0.4>5.0.5? |
| 13:32.45 | abrotman | !tell rapha about reinstall |
| 13:32.49 | liable | good luck with that |
| 13:33.12 | liable | you'll need to recreate directories for some |
| 13:33.15 | infernix | or was there some last-day hotfix to the regular DVD1? |
| 13:33.52 | BiGViC | I tried Ubuntu first and it left a sour taste in my mounth about linux. It has some system breaking bugs like my user lossing permissions, couldn't mount, or shutdown by gui. So I decided to not judge Linux based on one Distro and I tried Debian and it was awesome. Fell in love right there and there :) |
| 13:34.20 | rapha | abrotman: So "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall '~i'" would do it? |
| 13:34.24 | abrotman | rapha: btw .. using -rf is almost never needed, get out of that horrible habit |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | rapha: try it and see .. good luck! |
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| 13:34.49 | rapha | abrotman: well, i wanted to remove /etc/squirrelmail - how else than with -rf would I have done that? |
| 13:35.15 | mguy | What is the /pool directory on the ftp mirrors? |
| 13:35.15 | abrotman | rapha: you could have just removed the contents first? or changed to that directory first .. |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | mguy: where the packages actually live |
| 13:35.34 | rapha | abrotman: cd /etc/squirrelmail; rm -rf . ? |
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| 13:35.41 | abrotman | no .. |
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| 13:38.19 | aaraujo | Hi, Does anyone know how to include in a debian package name the subversion revision number? something like Versión: 1.1.0-1svnr1341.5.0 in debian/control file |
| 13:38.56 | idimmu | we got our build system to do that using a template |
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| 13:40.08 | aaraujo | idimmu: what kind of template?, could you please give a link to read about that? |
| 13:40.33 | idimmu | it was specific to our build system, cruise control |
| 13:40.44 | aaraujo | ok |
| 13:40.48 | liable | you can do it with the changelog |
| 13:41.11 | liable | i cant remember the exact syntax, but read the man page or NMG |
| 13:41.27 | aaraujo | liable: changelog? I am going to read about this |
| 13:41.39 | aaraujo | liable: thanks |
| 13:42.06 | liable | man dci or whatever that changelog tool is from devscripts |
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| 13:42.30 | liable | i forget where i read it |
| 13:43.11 | liable | dch |
| 13:43.13 | liable | iirc |
| 13:43.25 | rapha | abrotman: Any idea what to do about "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the base-files package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package."? |
| 13:44.35 | liable | fun |
| 13:44.53 | liable | manually unpack that deb and stick it in /etc |
| 13:45.21 | liable | hrm, that doesnt have any files in /etc anyway |
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| 13:46.03 | liable | oh yes it does |
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| 13:46.12 | abrotman | rapha: aptitude update |
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| 13:46.30 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 13:46.48 | ZenWalker | How use medusa with proxy? |
| 13:47.08 | liable | it needs the /dpkg directory |
| 13:47.38 | rapha | liable: I have another server which is still fine and doesn't have a /dpkg directory |
| 13:48.05 | liable | in /etc? |
| 13:48.13 | liable | do a dpkg -L base-files |
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| 13:48.16 | rapha | ah, so it's /etc/dpkg. that's != /dpkg |
| 13:49.10 | liable | why dont you start by tarring up that boxes /etc and putting it in yours? |
| 13:49.18 | rapha | liable: i just did that |
| 13:49.18 | liable | much easier |
| 13:49.37 | rapha | but still have some software on the broken one that i dont have on the working one |
| 13:49.46 | rapha | so to be sure everything's there... |
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| 13:55.08 | rapha | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck ... that was at least a week of work |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | still doesn't work ? |
| 13:56.11 | liable | dont forget to fix passwords too :) |
| 13:56.52 | rapha | abrotman: liable: i'm going through the list of packages one by one, slowly fixing them ... but there was so much stuff in there and i'm not even sure i can remember what it all was ... pretty depressed right now |
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| 13:57.13 | abrotman | well, at least it was only a week .. imagine if that system had been running for a year? |
| 13:57.22 | abrotman | is the optimist here .. how sad |
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| 13:58.54 | rapha | yeah |
| 13:58.59 | rapha | glass half-full and all i know |
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| 13:59.14 | liable | i bet you dont do it again ;) |
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| 14:00.30 | rapha | no |
| 14:00.33 | abrotman | if he keeps forcing the -rf in there, he might :) |
| 14:00.42 | rapha | i bet i'm going to jump off the roof of a very high building sometime later today |
| 14:01.02 | rapha | this is about the worst thing that could have happened in the current situation |
| 14:01.03 | abrotman | must not be from the midwest ... |
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| 14:01.08 | rapha | germany |
| 14:01.11 | rapha | enough high buildings here |
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| 14:01.45 | lolufail | hi! |
| 14:01.49 | rapha | abrotman: liable: http://pastie.org/1025032 - how can i find out what the problem is? |
| 14:02.06 | abrotman | rapha: you're using ubuntu for starters |
| 14:02.15 | abrotman | knows where the -rf came from ... |
| 14:02.33 | lolufail | I'm looking for a distributed filesystem, that is readonly on all nodes but one, and those readonly nodes must not be able to change that |
| 14:02.33 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 14:02.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:02.39 | liable | i thought they disabled that? |
| 14:02.51 | abrotman | liable: i meant poor practices :) |
| 14:02.58 | liable | heh |
| 14:03.23 | rapha | abrotman: don't shit on me because of ubuntu, mkay? i used to build my freakin' LFSs |
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| 14:03.38 | rapha | this is a ubuntu server, i didnt choose it to be so, that's it. |
| 14:03.43 | jordanm | rapha: its not supported here |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | rapha: taht's great, this is still #debian. This channel is to support Debian, not Ubuntu. Please go to #ubuntu for further support. |
| 14:03.54 | rapha | jordanm: it's freakin' debian! |
| 14:04.01 | liable | here we go |
| 14:04.01 | jordanm | rapha: its is NOT! |
| 14:04.02 | rapha | oh CMON guys |
| 14:04.06 | aaraujo | liable: thanks for your hint!. In changelog I could define the version of package |
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| 14:04.10 | abrotman | gives this about 20 more seconds |
| 14:04.12 | infernix | rapha: Setting up grub-pc (1.98-1ubuntu6) ... |
| 14:04.15 | rapha | you know about a million times more about dpkg and stuff than the guys in #ubuntu |
| 14:04.23 | jordanm | !they don't know |
| 14:04.23 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:04.24 | lolufail | wow always that same old debate |
| 14:04.27 | danslo | in during debian is not ubuntu shitstorm |
| 14:04.41 | abrotman | rapha: there is also #ubuntu-server which may have more clueful people in it |
| 14:04.41 | rapha | learn proper english danslo |
| 14:04.43 | lolufail | either change your pastes that it looks debian or really go to #ubuntu, learn from your fails |
| 14:04.45 | liable | aaraujo: ah, glad my memory still works sometimes :) |
| 14:04.58 | jordanm | lolufail: don't tell people that |
| 14:05.01 | danslo | rapha: new to the internet? :) |
| 14:05.03 | rapha | and leave the stupid jokes, lolufail |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | rapha: We do not support Ubuntu here. Please respect that. Maybe try ##linux if #ubuntu is not helpful. |
| 14:05.32 | lolufail | jordanm: just stating the perfectly obvious |
| 14:05.40 | abrotman | Please move along. |
| 14:05.51 | liable | shuffles his feet |
| 14:06.24 | lolufail | now :) any FS recommendation for me? can GlusterFS have a master, and all slaves only listen to the master? |
| 14:06.57 | lolufail | my slaves can be hacked, and I dont want to have changes to the slaves GlsuterFS be distributed to the other slaves or even back to the master |
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| 14:07.25 | abrotman | lolufail: but you want them to have their own local copy? |
| 14:07.29 | lolufail | yes |
| 14:07.35 | infernix | rsync? |
| 14:07.37 | infernix | :) |
| 14:07.54 | lolufail | infernix: only as last measure :) I'd like changes synchronously |
| 14:08.06 | infernix | gl with that. i think you're in for a world of pain my friend |
| 14:08.10 | lolufail | :) |
| 14:08.13 | infernix | i'd go the rsync way |
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| 14:08.57 | infernix | you can use csync instead to make things a bit easier too |
| 14:09.17 | infernix | but especially when your endnodes aren't under complete control, i would not go for any form of clustered fs |
| 14:09.24 | abrotman | Couldn't he do an NFS read-only mount ? |
| 14:09.34 | infernix | no local copy in that case |
| 14:09.36 | lolufail | abrotman: also, redundancy |
| 14:09.49 | abrotman | don't you have a backup for that? |
| 14:09.50 | lolufail | abrotman: need all nodes to work with a broken master |
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| 14:10.25 | infernix | then all the more reason for csync/rsync |
| 14:10.26 | lolufail | yeah, this is a HA-scenario |
| 14:10.26 | infernix | http://oss.linbit.com/csync2/ |
| 14:10.30 | lolufail | infernix: aaah I thought you meant http://www.csync.org/ |
| 14:10.34 | Bushmills | lolufail: lsyncd may be usable, in addition to conventional network exports |
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| 14:11.04 | infernix | lolufail: nah, csync2 is for clusters, csync is for users i think |
| 14:11.10 | davis | i am running rsnapshot and I have it configured to do backups every hour. I would prefer it just run daily, but it seems that the daily scripts require hourly runs in order to rotate the logs properly. Anybody use rsnapshot? |
| 14:11.37 | infernix | ive ran a 1:N type webhosting loadbalancing farm with csync2 |
| 14:11.40 | infernix | worked well |
| 14:12.06 | Bushmills | davis: for you, lsyncd might be an option as well. not running hourly or daily, but upon file update |
| 14:12.27 | lolufail | infernix: hmm, it also must not happen that the master gets hacked, csync2 seems a bit untested... |
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| 14:12.52 | lolufail | infernix: I think I'll go for rsync over ssh PUSH from the master, with no open ports on the master itself |
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| 14:12.53 | proc | hello |
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| 14:13.08 | infernix | untested with 34 point releases? heh |
| 14:13.18 | davis | Bushmills: ok thanks |
| 14:13.25 | lolufail | infernix: hmm I was going for 2004-2010 ;) |
| 14:13.30 | lolufail | we're on debian here ;) |
| 14:13.38 | lolufail | everything younger than 20 years is unstable ;) |
| 14:13.46 | proc | I'm still trying to install debian via hard disk. I made grub boot the installer and have a debian netinst iso on a mounted vfat. but I can't mount the iso because of "unable to set up loop device: no such file or directory". but there is a loop0 in my /dev |
| 14:13.49 | lolufail | experimental ;) |
| 14:14.26 | proc | so what can I do in this situation? |
| 14:15.04 | infernix | lolufail: really, i'd look at lsyncd or csync2, rsync in 1:N where N is >5-10 is really not efficient |
| 14:15.16 | infernix | but hey, YMMV :) |
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| 14:15.42 | Bushmills | proc: show the command you're using to try to loop mount that iso file |
| 14:16.07 | proc | Bushmills: mount -o loop file.iso /cdrom |
| 14:16.13 | lolufail | infernix: okay, thanks :) though the changes are like 20 times per day, only ~100-500 kb I guess, typo3 bullshit |
| 14:16.33 | davis | is there anyway to nice down a running process once its started? |
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| 14:16.55 | Bushmills | proc: try to add -t iso9660. the file.iso resides in the current directory? |
| 14:16.59 | davis | i don't mind the hourly runs if I could turn down the disk io when I am using the box. |
| 14:17.22 | proc | Bushmills: nope, but of course I used the full path |
| 14:17.45 | proc | I'll try -t iso9660 now, thanks |
| 14:17.50 | Bushmills | make sure that /cdrom exists |
| 14:17.53 | proc | it does |
| 14:18.04 | proc | brb |
| 14:19.09 | infernix | davis: renice |
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| 14:22.26 | proc | Bushmills: unfortunately still the same |
| 14:22.44 | proc | I even tried a rm /dev/loop0; mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0 to make sure it's a loop |
| 14:22.45 | karlpinc | davis: Nice won't affect i/o unless the process is cpu bound. |
| 14:23.20 | liable | proc: did you give the full path to the iso? |
| 14:23.51 | proc | of course |
| 14:24.01 | liable | i'm not sure if the error is a result of no loop or it cant find the iso with the path you gave |
| 14:24.06 | proc | yeah |
| 14:24.20 | proc | well, I'm in a ramdisk so there may be some kernel problems? |
| 14:25.06 | liable | you mounted the vfat dir first too yeah? |
| 14:25.08 | proc | but I doubt the problem is a lack of loop support if there's a loop device |
| 14:25.12 | proc | yeah |
| 14:25.22 | proc | it's quite a long filename, so I use tab completion |
| 14:25.23 | karlpinc | proc: Is there a /cdrom directory? |
| 14:25.28 | proc | yes |
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| 14:25.31 | proc | tab completion as well ;) |
| 14:26.13 | karlpinc | proc: You could do an lsmod to see if the loop module is loaded. |
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| 14:26.31 | proc | is it called "loop"? |
| 14:26.37 | liable | yeah |
| 14:26.42 | proc | because I blindly tried to modprobe loop and it said the module does not exist |
| 14:27.47 | karlpinc | proc: It's called loop, and that's probably the problem. |
| 14:28.07 | proc | yep |
| 14:28.17 | karlpinc | proc: Out of curiosity, how did you boot? |
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| 14:28.52 | proc | karlpinc: downloaded a kernel and an initrd.gz and booted it via grub4dos, to start an installer |
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| 14:28.57 | BlackFate | I've noticed that when I use userdel to remove users, they aren't removed from the quota table when I run repquota. Instead, their name is replaced by their UID (I think) such as "#10020." If I recreate a user with the same name as the one I deleted, he assumes those old quota settings. I'm looking for a way to remove a user's quota's, something equivalent to setquota hopefully. Thank you! |
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| 14:29.28 | karlpinc | proc: I suppose it's possible that it's not complied as a module. |
| 14:29.44 | karlpinc | proc: Perhaps you need to download the installer's kernel as opposed to a regular one. |
| 14:30.19 | liable | i think he means the installer kernel and initrd |
| 14:30.51 | liable | proc: does the box have net? you dont really need the iso anyway |
| 14:31.27 | proc | liable: yeah it does have ethernet. do you suggest downloading the ethernet driver module? |
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| 14:31.48 | liable | proc: it should have them built into the initrd |
| 14:32.05 | proc | liable: tried it, didn't find any |
| 14:32.10 | liable | 19:52 < SynrG> - current daily installer snapshots don't seem to work well with usb, insisting on mounting a CD-ROM which it can't find |
| 14:32.13 | liable | 19:53 < SynrG> there is a kludge to get around that. tell it 'no' to mount other media to look for cdrom drivers, then select 'none' for cdrom driver and specify the exact device of the usb key |
| 14:32.43 | liable | i dunno if thats related, i was talking to him about something else and he mentioned this |
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| 14:32.58 | proc | iirc I downloaded the vmlinuz and initrd from hd-media/ |
| 14:32.59 | liable | proc: the hd-media kernel? |
| 14:33.02 | liable | ok |
| 14:33.03 | proc | heh, yeah |
| 14:33.21 | liable | what ethernet card is it? |
| 14:33.28 | proc | let me look |
| 14:33.31 | proc | it's a new laptop ;) |
| 14:33.44 | liable | if its a new intel, it needs a 32 kernel |
| 14:34.11 | proc | it's an intel celeron |
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| 14:34.40 | proc | the ethernet is atheros ar8131 |
| 14:35.12 | liable | hmm, and you are using the stable image or a testing one? |
| 14:35.18 | proc | hmm |
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| 14:35.30 | proc | well, I'm not sure about this |
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| 14:36.39 | proc | yeah, should be lenny |
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| 14:36.47 | liable | if its a stable one, that has a 26 kernel, its prolly not supported |
| 14:36.49 | plan9_OsxNext | A message from BIKCMP: I flogged my engorged penis in a manic phase. My scrotum, hairless and taut, basked in warm rays. Glistening with sweat, Oh how it did shine. The helmet of a gladiator from olden time. Two bronzed eggs, such a glorious sight. A symbol of manhood and all that is right. You may choose to snicker or call me queer. Make no mistake; I don’t take it in the rear. |
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| 14:37.21 | OsxAsm | A message from BIKCMP: Found you folks by accident...decided that underground should actually mean underground...although pop-up occur from time-to-time. The revolution will be VOIPed AND blogged. |
| 14:37.27 | proc | liable: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ iirc |
| 14:37.29 | tabobama | A message from BIKCMP: girl you must be the aeon flux movie because i never wanna see you again |
| 14:37.44 | liable | abrotman: wake up slaker! |
| 14:37.55 | jordanm | !ops multible users spamming |
| 14:37.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: multible users spamming |
| 14:37.55 | abrotman | ? |
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| 14:38.08 | Trekki | hi there. I have an issue when logging in on a TTY: my ~/.bashrc is not read upon login, I have to execute bash a second time. Any idea why that is so? |
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| 14:38.12 | liable | proc: i dont think it has a driver in that kernel |
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| 14:38.31 | jordanm | mutiple even... |
| 14:38.32 | mquinsvn | A message from BIKCMP: I right clicked the clone brush over the head of the penis but when I click on the anus it puts a ballsack in there, wtf!! |
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| 14:38.45 | liable | proc: i dont think it has a driver in that kernel |
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| 14:38.58 | proc | liable: so which kernel do you suggest? |
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| 14:39.08 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 14:39.08 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 14:39.17 | proc | alright |
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| 14:39.31 | liable | he wont have a hd-media image though |
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| 14:39.34 | liable | only isos |
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| 14:39.50 | proc | yeah, but I can extract the vmlinuz I guess |
| 14:40.19 | liable | but the modules are seperate in the iso images |
| 14:40.28 | proc | aww |
| 14:40.49 | liable | it doesnt have a cdrom i take it? |
| 14:41.13 | proc | it does have, but I have no raw cds left and just one broken usb stick ;) |
| 14:41.33 | proc | can't I just extract the installation files and somehow change the media to hard disk? |
| 14:41.36 | liable | im not sure if its even in mainline kernel yet |
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| 14:44.12 | proc | alright, now I'm confused |
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| 14:44.16 | abrotman | see if happens again ... |
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| 14:48.41 | xorsposatoamiga | A message from BIKCMP: I may not be as tech savvy as Linus Torvalds, but I know my way around the Windows registry. |
| 14:49.00 | liable | abrotman: ^^ |
| 14:49.01 | jordanm | !ops he is back |
| 14:49.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: he is back |
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| 14:52.40 | proc | oh |
| 14:52.41 | Trekki | Does anyone have an idea about my bashrc-Problem? When I login on a TTY, I get the Debian-default prompt. I have to execute bash a second time to have my bashrc parsed. |
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| 14:53.00 | proc | liable: no, I think I extracted vmlinuz and initrd from the netinstall iso |
| 14:53.10 | proc | so there should be all the drivers |
| 14:53.12 | proc | strange |
| 14:53.32 | Riviera | Trekki: maybe your first bash instance is a login shell |
| 14:53.37 | liable | the isos have udebs with extra modules |
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| 14:53.58 | Riviera | Trekki: for login shells, bash_profile-files will be evaluated. Maybe you can solve this by including a command to source bashrc from within your bash_profile. |
| 14:54.51 | karlpinc | Trekki: Or maybe you want the commands in .bash_profile. |
| 14:54.59 | peterrooney | Trekki: also, there is a #bash channel where gurus hang |
| 14:54.59 | Trekki | Riviera: I have a ~/.profile |
| 14:55.01 | Riviera | Trekki: more in this: man bash, Section "INVOCATION"; code: if [ -f "$HOME/.bashrc" ]; then . "$HOME/.bashrc"; fi |
| 14:55.09 | Trekki | and it has a paragraph abput loading bashrc |
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| 14:55.37 | Riviera | Trekki: if you'd put that into your .profile, you'd also have to include a test that checks if the current bourne-like shell is bash, because .profile could be evaluated by other shells as well. |
| 14:55.59 | Trekki | Riviera: I reckon it's the default file that was created by debian when I did adduser |
| 14:56.04 | Riviera | Trekki: ah, i see, and it's not commented or something? |
| 14:56.06 | Trekki | lemme doublecheck |
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| 14:56.32 | Trekki | in essence: if [ -n "$BASH_VERSION" ]; then \n if [ -f "$HOME/.bashrc" ]; then \n . "$HOME/.bashrc" |
| 14:56.54 | Riviera | Trekki: yes, this should suffice. Maybe try: env -i bash --login |
| 14:57.01 | Riviera | Trekki: and tell me if you get the prompt |
| 14:57.37 | Trekki | then I get that default, monochrome prompt |
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| 14:58.36 | Trekki | I come from gentoo, there it just worked[TM] ;-) |
| 14:58.51 | Riviera | Trekki: and it's .bashrc where you configured your prompt? I. e. with "env -i bash" it's the correct prompt? |
| 14:59.02 | Trekki | Riviera: indeed |
| 14:59.09 | Trekki | and some aliases |
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| 14:59.59 | Riviera | Trekki: argh. |
| 15:00.01 | frenchy | is there a reason why apt-get upgrade leaves things behind when synaptics installs them |
| 15:00.13 | Riviera | Trekki: I am an idiot, sorry. |
| 15:00.18 | Trekki | phew |
| 15:00.19 | Riviera | Trekki: With env -i "$HOME" will not be set. |
| 15:00.22 | Trekki | I though you would argh at me *g* |
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| 15:00.53 | Riviera | Trekki: mind a query? For less noise in the channel? |
| 15:00.57 | Trekki | kk |
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| 15:04.41 | HackeMate | hello, will this mac bluetooth keyboard http://www.macoteca.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/teclado-apple-1.jpg works in debian without breaking my brain? |
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| 15:04.48 | r0x4n4 | Hi |
| 15:05.05 | r0x4n4 | somebody got problemas enabling mod_rewrite in apache? |
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| 15:10.19 | frenchy | my eee wont come out of sleep mode when i open the lid back up |
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| 15:11.18 | jordanm | !eeepc |
| 15:11.18 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:11.34 | jordanm | frenchy: they have their own channel that may be more helpful |
| 15:12.32 | frenchy | nobody talks in there, ill guess ill try again though |
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| 15:15.54 | Bushmills | runs debian on a netbook |
| 15:16.02 | abrotman | i do as well |
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| 15:16.37 | liable | me too! |
| 15:17.05 | Bushmills | so why would dpkg send people away only because they use a netbook? |
| 15:17.40 | Vroomfondle | it only sends them away if they're using Xandros. |
| 15:17.46 | Bushmills | could inquire whether debian is installed, before doing so |
| 15:17.52 | Bushmills | *not* installed |
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| 15:18.06 | liable | well, plus there is a debian-eeepc team for the few specific things |
| 15:18.16 | jordanm | Bushmills: I was sending them to #debian-eeepc. I have looked at the eeepc documentation... and its quite detailed |
| 15:18.42 | frenchy | debian is installed |
| 15:18.49 | jordanm | Bushmills: from what I understand the newer eeepcs only work well with testing also |
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| 15:19.14 | frenchy | Bushmills do you have problems with suspend when closing the lid |
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| 15:19.27 | adoom42 | anybody here use debsecan? I just upgraded to lenny 5.0.5 and now debsecan reports a bunch of false positives (apt and apt-utils, for example). |
| 15:19.35 | Bushmills | frenchy: actually, I do |
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| 15:20.35 | frenchy | when i open it back up and press the power button its like it cant get control of the display back unless i swith to another vt and then back to F7 |
| 15:20.56 | Bushmills | since about 2 or 3 months, mine crashed when i try to s2ram |
| 15:20.59 | Bushmills | crashes |
| 15:22.25 | frenchy | i see in #debian-eeepc they say uswusp is broken and to use pm-hibernate i dont know if thats related |
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| 15:23.35 | Bushmills | uswsusp |
| 15:23.44 | frenchy | yes |
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| 15:24.23 | sepult | uswsusp, does that recognize the swapfile even if it is encrypted ? |
| 15:24.45 | sepult | or does someone have to provide the dev-mapper dev name to it ? |
| 15:24.56 | sepult | instead of the real device-name ? |
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| 15:27.00 | sepult | when i cat /proc/swaps i see /dev/mapper/bla partition size and then used=0 there |
| 15:27.06 | sepult | and priority =-1 |
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| 15:35.07 | brah | Updated to 2.6.32-5-686 last night and now I'm out of sound, what do? |
| 15:36.50 | cahoot | brah: open a term, run speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 15:38.08 | brah | ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default Playback open error: -2,No existe el fichero o el directorio (File or folder does not exist) |
| 15:38.50 | cahoot | brah: cat /proc/asound/cards - an listed? |
| 15:38.54 | cahoot | any |
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| 15:39.28 | brah | 1 [default ]: USB-Audio - PnP Audio Device at usb-0000:00:02.0-7, full speed |
| 15:39.55 | cahoot | brah: alsa force-reload (as root) then speaker-test again |
| 15:40.37 | brah | Still getting file or folder does not exist. Aditionally, I don't have alsamixer anymore. |
| 15:41.47 | cahoot | brah: open a term, run speaker-test -t wav -c2 -Dhw:1 |
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| 15:42.09 | abrotman | is silly |
| 15:42.22 | cahoot | but powerful |
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| 15:44.31 | delaman | I configured phpmyadmin with lighttpd but now i would like to configure it with apache, how do i rerun the configure thingy that apt-get ran when i installed it? |
| 15:44.46 | adoom42 | dpkg-reconfigure $packagename |
| 15:44.52 | Vroomfondle | dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin |
| 15:45.10 | delaman | adoom42 & Vroomfondle a big thank you |
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| 15:46.45 | brah | cahoot, -Dhw:1 works |
| 15:47.10 | brah | 'Front left' - 'Front right' |
| 15:48.30 | brah | So, how do I make my system run with that channel? |
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| 16:12.42 | solifugus | Where do logwatch errors go? |
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| 16:14.33 | jordanm | solifugus: I would assume root's email since it runs via cron |
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| 16:17.16 | tuxnani | hi all |
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| 16:20.16 | solifugus | jordanm: it's running under root's cron... but it also ran manually under root and in that case it worked fine.. it's here: http://pastebin.com/MpTWdfDa |
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| 16:20.28 | solifugus | Of course, I de-identified the email |
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| 16:22.52 | jordanm | solifugus: you are specifying where it outputs to right there... |
| 16:22.56 | krzysz00 | how can I clean out my apt package lists (so instead of downloading 9+ months of DiffIndexes, I can just download one listing) |
| 16:23.10 | jordanm | solifugus: the default configuration uses cron.daily (system cron, not root's) and runs /usr/sbin/logwatch --mailto root |
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| 16:24.41 | jordanm | solifugus: why are you piping through "mail" when logwatch is perfectly capable of sending mail? |
| 16:25.51 | jordanm | solifugus: and being someone who has had to pick up other's administration work, I highly advise hard-coding email addresses into scripts |
| 16:26.34 | solifugus | jordanm: I couldn't find any information nor a logwatch.conf file, other than the demo files.. and a debian tutorial for logwatch showed setting it up on cron. |
| 16:27.07 | simonrvn | logwatch for me was almost install and read the output |
| 16:27.30 | solifugus | It's actually better this way, I think.. because I can concatenate reports and both email and store in local daily files. |
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| 16:29.12 | jordanm | solifugus: you mean like say... and email file in your maildir? |
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| 16:30.01 | jordanm | solifugus: I have never had to do more than: install logwatch; done; you are creating work for yourself when it is not needed |
| 16:30.23 | solifugus | jordanm: that script is to concatenate multiple reports (even though currently only one) into a single email to multiple people... after first producing a dated file for local storage. |
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| 16:30.46 | solifugus | jordanm: I tried outputting stderr to a file and that came out empty |
| 16:30.47 | jordanm | solifugus: I also think you missed --filename option for logwatch. did you read the manpage? |
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| 16:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | Good practice for administrative reports is to go to a local report-specific address which is then aliased/forwarded to the current administrator. |
| 16:31.15 | solifugus | jordanm: yes.. but it says the --filename option is instead of emailing |
| 16:31.20 | jordanm | ^ which I was also going to mention |
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| 16:31.27 | jhutchins_lt | Address only needs to be changed once in case of a change of personell. |
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| 16:32.47 | jordanm | when I got to my current place of employment, I had to add my email address to 10 or so scripts (which no longer functions that way, I have changed since). this is a terrible way to manage this |
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| 16:33.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... that's the application aliases are made for :) |
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| 16:33.31 | jordanm | solifugus: I believe this falls into the "solution in search of a problem" category |
| 16:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 16:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, like jeopardy? |
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| 16:34.42 | solifugus | jordanm: not sure why you say that.. All I know is a need to get these logwatch reports out.. multiple.. others will be copied from other servers to this one, because they are in an otherwise closed network. |
| 16:34.43 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: I will take "famous null pointer vulnerabilities" for $500 |
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| 16:35.11 | krzysz00 | how do I clean my apt indexes so that they are fetched whole (not the diffs)? |
| 16:35.17 | solifugus | It's just really strange that there is no error text.. and no file when run under the same user, only under cron instead of manually |
| 16:35.20 | s1m | im trying to find mod_sed for apache in lenny, can't find it anywhere and it's not included with the basic apache2 installation :/ |
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| 16:35.33 | jordanm | yeah, it just needs to work, who cares if its a bigger PITA to setup this way, more difficult to maintian, and adds no real benefit |
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| 16:36.48 | solifugus | What is different about running something under cron as root or manually as root? |
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| 16:37.09 | jordanm | the environment |
| 16:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | There's more than one way of running something under cron. |
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| 16:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | root's crontab, /etc/cron.*, user crontab... |
| 16:39.31 | solifugus | jhutchins: so maybe I could add a: source /etc/profile prior to executing the script? |
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| 16:39.54 | vitaly | once new stable is released, for how long does the old stable gets supported (updates and packages)? |
| 16:40.08 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Probably not. |
| 16:40.20 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 16:40.56 | jordanm | vitaly: about 1 year |
| 16:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | vitaly, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 16:41.44 | vitaly | cool |
| 16:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | s1m... oh, gorn |
| 16:42.10 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: that page says etch is still oldstable |
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| 16:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !oldstable |
| 16:42.28 | dpkg | methinks oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) was oldstable. Consider upgrading your systems to a supported release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
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| 16:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the factoids are better than the wiki- but don't give the 1-year period |
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| 16:42.52 | proc | can I somehow change the installation media ressources from cd to hard disk within the installer? |
| 16:43.43 | jhutchins_lt | !tell proc about install guide |
| 16:45.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | krzysz00, what about mv /etc/apt/sources.list /tmp/xx; touch /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; mv -f /tmp/xx /etc/apt/sources.list; |
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| 16:48.50 | proc | well, that manual doesn't really help |
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| 16:51.50 | mguy | proc: Can't you just tell grub to boot the kernel on your HD in the install dirs? |
| 16:52.13 | jhutchins_lt | proc: What about the section about installing from hard disk? |
| 16:52.14 | jordanm | proc: I would try mounting the installation files to /cdrom |
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| 16:54.04 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: What about moving/deleting /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin? |
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| 17:02.42 | develop | hi how can i see all newly added updated files in the sys thnks |
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| 17:05.01 | jhutchins_lt | develop: man find, look at the mtime option. |
| 17:05.12 | jhutchins_lt | develop: or ctime |
| 17:05.14 | develop | thnks |
| 17:05.38 | jhutchins_lt | develop: If you're referring to .dev packages, look at the logs for dpkg. |
| 17:05.44 | jhutchins_lt | .deb packages that is. |
| 17:06.14 | develop | regular files the mtime option is great thnks |
| 17:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, I wasn't sure that can be done without ill effects |
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| 17:09.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, and was too lazy to try out.. on the other hand, I'm positive what I suggested would do what he asked |
| 17:09.06 | daniel | hi can someone help me to install --> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:08ce Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 5000 |
| 17:09.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | plug it in! |
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| 17:09.48 | daniel | ? |
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| 17:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was helping you to install it |
| 17:10.16 | daniel | lol |
| 17:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | good advice, too |
| 17:10.21 | daniel | Its in um.. |
| 17:10.58 | jhutchins_lt | !tell daniel about v4l |
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| 17:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | v4l2? |
| 17:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 046d:08ce |
| 17:11.59 | judd | [046d:08ce] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=046d:08ce |
| 17:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 17:13.03 | jhutchins_lt | !tell daniel about 4l2 |
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| 17:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | daniel: One of those pages should help, more likely the second one. |
| 17:13.35 | jhutchins_lt | daniel: Since we all have different webcams if we have them at all we can't be much help. |
| 17:13.46 | daniel | ty |
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| 17:14.07 | dutchfish | anyone can shed a light on the python bugs that are in squeeze (running python rtupdate hooks for python2.6 gives alot of missing files) ? |
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| 17:15.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, dunno what you want about that wiki page... |
| 17:15.43 | dutchfish | it also leaves aptitude in an unresolved state |
| 17:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !btssmite dutchfish |
| 17:15.58 | dpkg | beats dutchfish around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if dutchfish is running testing or unstable |
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| 17:16.23 | action09 | oy |
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| 17:16.37 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you. But there is nothing in apt-listbugs about it |
| 17:16.53 | jordanm | dutchfish: its only been in testing a few days, I would expect new issues to come up that need reporting |
| 17:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | if nobody catches it in sid, it goes to testing... *shrug* |
| 17:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: It's all your fault, you did it wrong! |
| 17:17.37 | jhutchins_lt | Sry, just channeling #mandriva. |
| 17:17.40 | dutchfish | jordanm: i have messed up 2 computers with it and i am a patient guy |
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| 17:17.55 | DL7LN | hey guys |
| 17:18.08 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: np ;) |
| 17:18.10 | DL7LN | i've got a problem for which i googled about a week |
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| 17:18.42 | DL7LN | it has to to with building a new kernel and rebooting. |
| 17:18.58 | DL7LN | it seems that the kernel cannot mount the root-fs |
| 17:19.26 | cahoot | daniel: uplug/replug the camera and read/paste the last 10-20 lines of dmesg |
| 17:19.43 | cahoot | (on a pastebin) |
| 17:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, that's the problem.. you need _three_ machines :-P |
| 17:19.55 | daniel | ok |
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| 17:20.01 | jhutchins_lt | cahoot: Judd doesn't recognize it. |
| 17:20.07 | DL7LN | is there a way to review the messages of the previous kernel when i started this time with a working one? |
| 17:20.13 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, jordanm this is my pastebin if you guys would be so polite to take a look at it ? http://debian.pastebin.com/5y5g48he |
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| 17:20.31 | jhutchins_lt | DL7LN: Did you build an initramfs for it? |
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| 17:20.40 | daniel | cahoot :) --> you go uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device <unnamed> (046d:08ce) |
| 17:20.40 | daniel | [ 1846.946393] input: UVC Camera (046d:08ce) as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/input/input9 |
| 17:20.40 | poisonbit | DL7LN, did you checked as built-in basic disc controllers and filesystems? or did you forget some (like initrd/ext* support) as kernel modules ? |
| 17:20.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, but that's not surprising? |
| 17:20.54 | DL7LN | jhutchins_lt: i used the existing initramfs...wrong way? |
| 17:21.07 | DL7LN | jhutchins_lt: the other kernel worked fine with it... |
| 17:21.09 | jhutchins_lt | DL7LN: Yup, needs to match the kernel. |
| 17:21.11 | cahoot | daniel: no /dev/video*? |
| 17:21.24 | Zyxzezix | On the x86 install guide it says min ram is 64mb , does that mean that on a machine with only 32mb it would run super slow or not at all? |
| 17:21.46 | DL7LN | jhutchins_lt: i'm running the same kernel-version atm... |
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| 17:22.06 | themill | dutchfish: do you have the most recent versions of python, python2.6, python-{central,support} installed there? (the apt-cache policy output of them would be handy) |
| 17:22.11 | daniel | cahoot what ya mean?. |
| 17:22.16 | DL7LN | jhutchins_lt: how can i tell initramfs to match to the new kernel which is currently not loaded? |
| 17:22.18 | jordanm | dutchfish: do you have the linux-support package installed for your kernel? |
| 17:22.19 | jhutchins_lt | Zyxzezix: The installer probably will fail. You might get something like dsl to run. |
| 17:22.20 | dutchfish | themill: form squeeze, yes |
| 17:22.36 | Zyxzezix | ok, darn |
| 17:22.37 | cahoot | daniel: ls /dev/video* - no output? |
| 17:22.42 | dutchfish | jordanm: wich version i need? |
| 17:22.54 | poisonbit | DL7LN, use make-kpkg from: kernel-package (--initrd param etc) |
| 17:23.00 | daniel | cahoot --> root@home:~# ls /dev/video* |
| 17:23.01 | daniel | /dev/video0 |
| 17:23.02 | craigevil | dutchfish: http://www.debian-news.net/2010/06/30/python-2-6-migrated-to-testing/ |
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| 17:23.11 | jordanm | dutchfish: that package is looking for inux-support-2.6.30-2 |
| 17:23.15 | jhutchins_lt | Zyxzezix: There are versions that run on Linksys routers with very little ram, but you'll need stuff compiled for small ram systems, most modern packages are going to expect more. |
| 17:23.20 | themill | dutchfish: where's this linux-support thing from and is it still in /usr/src or did you manually remove it |
| 17:23.20 | JordiGH | Oy, a Python migration. |
| 17:23.20 | cahoot | daniel: so what did you think you needed help with? |
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| 17:23.36 | dutchfish | craigevil: i am on testing on this machine for 1 year, this is not a dist-upgrade |
| 17:23.56 | jordanm | dutchfish: but python 2.6 only became the default a few days ago |
| 17:23.57 | themill | dutchfish: that's not what craigevil is talking about |
| 17:24.04 | Zyxzezix | I plan on only a base installation + perl for my 486 machine |
| 17:24.23 | craigevil | dutchfish: the article even says some packages are broken becaue of the push to get python2.6 into testing |
| 17:24.25 | tau | i am new in linux's world, i see a recomendation on the 'linux in a nutshell' for beginnings to get By Jerry Peek, Grace Todino & John Strang; ISBN 1-56592-390-1, 106 pages. |
| 17:24.28 | tau | Fourth Edition, January 1998. |
| 17:24.29 | cahoot | daniel: AFAICT the camera is "installed" |
| 17:24.38 | tau | would I read this book ? it seems a bit old. |
| 17:24.48 | daniel | ok ok then is it good :) I should need a little application I can show it in. |
| 17:25.02 | daniel | I using amsn but the colors fucking up. |
| 17:25.06 | cahoot | daniel: cheese or luvcview |
| 17:25.16 | tau | the book's name is 'learning the unix operating system'. |
| 17:25.17 | daniel | which do you prefer?. |
| 17:25.20 | krzysz00 | I am trying to "uninstall" debian. Is it safe to set the grub timeout to 0 and delete / leaving the /boot partition in place? (So I can return / to my windows partition) |
| 17:25.34 | cahoot | daniel: none of those |
| 17:25.44 | daniel | ok |
| 17:25.44 | dutchfish | craigevil: themill jordanm thank you |
| 17:25.45 | cahoot | daniel: but for testing.... |
| 17:25.46 | jhutchins_lt | tau: What it says is still mostly true, although linux has grown a lot since then. |
| 17:25.49 | daniel | ok |
| 17:25.53 | daniel | I install cheese then |
| 17:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | tau: I wouldn't pay much for it. |
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| 17:26.08 | jhutchins_lt | tau: There is lots of good documentation available on the web: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 17:26.27 | jordanm | tau: there is some discussion on the mailing list here: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.04.21.07.34.09@gmail.com |
| 17:26.33 | themill | dutchfish: so did you manually rm the linux-support stuff in /usr/src? or is it still there and just broken? |
| 17:26.40 | tau | jhutchins_lt: jordanm , sure, thank you . |
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| 17:27.04 | craigevil | tau: The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques by Martin Kraft is a good book that focuses on Debian |
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| 17:27.30 | daniel | cahoot I cant use my webcam into skype hmm why? its not available in the list. |
| 17:27.34 | tau | craigevil: it seems suitable. |
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| 17:27.53 | jordanm | craigevil: the thread I sent him to talks about kraft's book and he even shows up to comment |
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| 17:28.17 | tau | i will take a look on both, thank you. |
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| 17:28.36 | daniel | hm when I trying to run cheese I get this error in terminal cahoot --> Segmentation fault |
| 17:28.56 | jhutchins_lt | krzysz00: you can have grub boot windows by default. |
| 17:29.07 | jhutchins_lt | krzysz00: You can also just overwrite it with the Windows MBR. |
| 17:29.14 | jordanm | daniel: segfaults usually come with more detail than that |
| 17:29.36 | daniel | well thats what my terminal says when I run cheese |
| 17:29.47 | jordanm | daniel: and nothing more? |
| 17:29.57 | daniel | nope but it working now :) |
| 17:30.03 | jhutchins_lt | daniel: Did you look at either of those v4l pages? |
| 17:30.12 | krzysz00 | I realized that that was not the best cource, but the advice about fixing hosed apt updates from earlier in the discussion seems to be gone, can someone who has more scrollbaxck give me that |
| 17:30.14 | dutchfish | themill: i have fixed it by purging linux-support-2.6.32-3 and installing linux-support-2.6.32-5, apprently it was not removed even if the linux-image-2.6.32-3 is long gone. cheers |
| 17:30.28 | daniel | nope I found another solution but thx |
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| 17:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | daniel: THis is probably better: |
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| 17:31.27 | jhutchins_lt | !tell daniel about webcam |
| 17:31.38 | daniel | its the same lol |
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| 17:45.40 | sn5 | Debian is said to have somwhere between 30000-40000 packages. But when I search the mirror, I can only count ~16000. Where do the other 14000 come from? |
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| 17:46.28 | jordanm | sn5: maybe counting all 3 releases that are maintained at all times? |
| 17:46.33 | jordanm | !debstats sid |
| 17:46.37 | sn5 | jordanm: well that's sort of cheating ;) |
| 17:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | sn5: Perhaps it considers multiple architectures... |
| 17:47.23 | jhutchins_lt | !debstats |
| 17:47.24 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian freenode) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 17:48.06 | jordanm | themill: what am I looking for here? |
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| 17:49.20 | jordanm | !dstats sid |
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| 17:49.56 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 29813 packages, 2156 maintainers, 96145 MB installed size, 35925 MB compressed size. |
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| 17:51.35 | jordanm | sn5: you could also consider splitting a single upstream tarabll into multiple packages "cheating" (if you are attempting to compare to another distro). |
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| 17:54.16 | jhutchins_lt | There are also a number of .deb packages from third parties. It's a little bit more common than .rpm on third-party sites. |
| 17:54.44 | jhutchins_lt | Hardware drivers from vendors tend to be .rpm (and broken). |
| 17:55.13 | themill | jordanm: There's still 16500 source packages in sid even if you don't like to count splitting into binary packages. |
| 17:56.35 | pif | hi, how do I blacklist a module? |
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| 17:56.56 | chovy | how do i ensure i have the latest of everything on my system? |
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| 17:57.10 | cahoot | !tell pif about blacklist |
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| 17:57.26 | cfdisk | hi, Has anyone used s3cp the amazon.com ? |
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| 17:58.49 | cfdisk | Does anyone know any software to make copies for amazon.com ? |
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| 17:59.32 | chovy | copies of what? |
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| 18:00.29 | cfdisk | chovy, s3 dá amazon.com |
| 18:00.39 | cfdisk | chovy, s3 gives amazon.com |
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| 18:00.54 | chovy | i don't follow |
| 18:02.20 | daniel | hey guys when I try any program through wine I get this fucking error. --> The file '/home/daniel/Downloads/blablabla.exe' is not marked as executable. If this was downloaded or copied form an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run. For more details, read about the executable bit. |
| 18:02.39 | chovy | is it executable? |
| 18:02.45 | jhutchins_lt | daniel: So read about the executable bit. |
| 18:02.45 | chovy | chmod 755 ./bla.exe |
| 18:02.57 | daniel | ok |
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| 18:04.52 | chovy | is there a status page that says how far off the next debian release is? |
| 18:05.00 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 18:05.00 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 18:05.10 | jordanm | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 18:05.10 | dpkg | ! old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 18:05.13 | schatan | how can i sync (with rsync) only hidden files? |
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| 18:05.23 | schatan | for example from home dir |
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| 18:06.14 | uwjesd | How to undo an make install? |
| 18:06.36 | rking | uwjesd: sometimes make uninstall ; other times it's "find out what make install did and undo it." |
| 18:07.07 | rudi_s | schatan: --include=.\* |
| 18:07.11 | rudi_s | --archive ... |
| 18:07.11 | Riviera | since it's potentially destructive, it's rather not always possible. |
| 18:07.13 | rking | uwjesd: There is a way to do a "make" into a .deb, and then you can just dpkg it nice and cleanly, but obviously it's too late for that. |
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| 18:07.25 | |BonZo| | uwjesd: you can use checkinstall to make a package and then uninstall it |
| 18:07.44 | uwjesd | rking: not to late. |
| 18:07.51 | uwjesd | rking: not too late. I meant to say |
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| 18:08.32 | jordanm | uwjesd: make uninstall; if the makefile allows it |
| 18:08.58 | jordanm | ah, didn't see that was already mentioned |
| 18:09.32 | uwjesd | rking: How to do a "make" into a deb? |
| 18:09.40 | uwjesd | That would be awesome. |
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| 18:09.50 | rking | uwjesd: I'm looking. It's been a while. |
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| 18:10.46 | jordanm | !tell uwjesd about nmg |
| 18:11.26 | jordanm | uwjesd: you have to build a debian package, calling $(MAKE) from debian/rules or letting debhelper do it |
| 18:11.35 | |BonZo| | mozilla-plugin-vlc didn't worked wit chrome, so i made a simbolik link: `ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libvlcplugin.so /opt/google/chrome/` but it still doesn't work, chrome says "missing plugin" |
| 18:11.54 | |BonZo| | however i can see it with `about:plugins` |
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| 18:13.11 | uwjesd | Checkinstall sounds like the tool to do the job, thank you very much |
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| 18:14.38 | schatan | thx rudi_s |
| 18:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | uwjesd: Actually, if you haven't installed yet, it's better to build a deb than to use chkinstall, and just about as easy. |
| 18:15.02 | rudi_s | np |
| 18:15.11 | rking | Wow, the package yagiuda (a specialized radio antenna analysis package) creates /usr/bin/{first,input,selftest,output} . Fail. |
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| 18:15.41 | uwjesd | jhutchins_lt: I do not know how to do this. Pointers welcome though. |
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| 18:21.17 | hochron | I have a screen resolution problem. When I boot up it is not in the resolution I defined, this is much better as it is not so much a strain on my eyes. I checked the screen resolution and it says it is 1024X1280, this is what I set it at. The text is much larger than usual... Any suggestions? |
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| 18:22.27 | craigevil | |BonZo|: mozilla-mplayer works if you are running stable, on testing and sid its called gecko-mediaplayer |
| 18:23.41 | hochron | the reason I have it set at 1024X1280 is this machine vnc's to windows boxes |
| 18:24.03 | hochron | it works fine :) |
| 18:24.34 | |BonZo| | craigevil: i know, totem-mozilla works too, but i would like to use vlc as multimedia player... |
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| 18:28.22 | mguy | hochron: What DPI are the fonts set at in the Appearance menu |
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| 18:31.06 | HackeMate | hello |
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| 18:31.16 | HackeMate | someone was able to use a magic mouse on debian lenny? |
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| 18:34.06 | hochron | mguy: 112 |
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| 18:34.40 | hochron | how can I make that default? |
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| 18:37.19 | mguy | Change it to 96 |
| 18:37.31 | mguy | For some reason mine gets jacked up to 136 sometimes |
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| 18:39.54 | hochron | mguy: I changed it, I kinda like the bigger fonts.... Why is the login screen screwed up, I usually just restart it? |
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| 18:40.27 | wormM68k_Route | A message to you from BIKCMP: HEY BABE WHO WOULD WIN PIRATES.... OR NINJA??? ALSO NOTE I DID NOT USE AN S BECAUSE NINJA IS JAPANESE AND THEY DONT HAVE PLURALS DO YOU LIKE JAPAN |
| 18:40.31 | jordanm | !ops he is back again |
| 18:40.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: he is back again |
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| 18:41.37 | manhunter | hi |
| 18:41.53 | manhunter | can i install openoffice from debian first cd? |
| 18:42.03 | manhunter | downloading the debian first cd |
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| 18:48.05 | dv- | A debian squeeze update seems to have broken gnome/gdm user switching on my computer. There don't seem to be any errors in /var/log/gdm/* or /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I'm running the latest nvidia drivers. What should I try? |
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| 18:48.53 | mguy | broken how? |
| 18:49.02 | manhunter | dv-: please post uname -a |
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| 18:50.47 | dv- | Linux the 2.6.34-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 6 22:29:25 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:51.07 | dv- | mquin: it seems to try to start another X server, but fails and just returns |
| 18:51.38 | jordanm | dv-: have you already checked the BTS? |
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| 18:52.51 | dv- | Nope |
| 18:53.12 | dv- | I guess I should try with nouveau first |
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| 18:55.16 | Cain | Hi, When trying to mount a windows share (cifs) i got this error ==> mount: Cannot allocate memory on 1 share, the other shares are mounted just fine, any idea ? |
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| 18:59.04 | NMLZZ | hi all |
| 18:59.14 | NMLZZ | please take a look on this: |
| 18:59.16 | NMLZZ | dl7ln-main:/home/dl7ln# modprobe vfat |
| 18:59.16 | NMLZZ | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 18:59.34 | gua | hi, i got strange keyboard layout at login screen in tty, so can't even login, how to change it? i mean which file need to be changed? |
| 18:59.44 | gua | strange = not qwerty |
| 18:59.49 | NMLZZ | the folder does not exist...thats right...it's named /lib/modules/2.6.26 |
| 18:59.56 | NMLZZ | how can i fix this? |
| 19:00.16 | bergquist | Cain: might be a security issue on the windows machine... check that you have granted the local user is enabled on both sharing and security |
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| 19:02.56 | BlackFate | NMLZZ: try reinstalling your kernel |
| 19:03.08 | NMLZZ | BlackFate: i did |
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| 19:03.21 | NMLZZ | BlackFate: oh, wait... |
| 19:03.26 | NMLZZ | i didn't |
| 19:03.31 | lewis | Ever since I upgraded my squeeze installation with the latest version of munin-node, the program doesn't list plugins any longer. Anything I need to know about this? |
| 19:03.38 | Cain | bergquist : my bad! the share is not even accessible by windows itself... not a debian issue :) |
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| 19:04.19 | NMLZZ | BlackFate: this occured after i tried to compile a new kernel...the new kernel cannot mount the root-device...wait, i can post you a "screenshot" taken with my cam... |
| 19:04.33 | bergquist | Cain: of course it's not a debian issue... because debian is fault free ;) |
| 19:04.47 | icebrain | hi! is there any program that can find similar images in a certain folder? Like Tineye for the desktop? |
| 19:04.49 | bergquist | Cain: no but seriously... that error message is... crap |
| 19:05.07 | russian_ulysses | After today upgrade of my squeeze, I getting grey boxes in random areas in iceweasel/icedove. |
| 19:06.00 | Cain | bergquist : i just share the partitions in windows with the same way, c: doesn't like it apparently |
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| 19:06.31 | bergquist | Cain: you want to share the whole c-drive? |
| 19:06.47 | NMLZZ | i cannot mount the cam because i cannot load the kernel-modules for vfat or msdos |
| 19:06.51 | NMLZZ | **** |
| 19:06.56 | Cain | bergquist : yes |
| 19:07.16 | bergquist | try mounting //servername/C$ |
| 19:07.34 | NMLZZ | and i cannot boot with a new kernel, because it cannot mount the root-dev |
| 19:08.16 | BlackFate | NMLZZ: reinstalling doesnt work? |
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| 19:08.29 | Cain | bergquist : same error |
| 19:08.31 | NMLZZ | BlackFate: complete reinstall? |
| 19:08.32 | bergquist | Cain: you need a user with administrator rights |
| 19:08.41 | BlackFate | NMLZZ: kernel reinstall |
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| 19:08.59 | qq- | debian* kernel reinstall |
| 19:09.07 | NMLZZ | BlackFate: am i allowed to query you? |
| 19:09.25 | BlackFate | no need.. just paste any result to a pastebin site |
| 19:09.31 | NMLZZ | ok |
| 19:10.02 | Cain | bergquist : i know that, it worked before , i just restored the windows machine, maybe a restart can fix the problem |
| 19:10.03 | NMLZZ | the config, i find in the /boot/-dir, is it the actual config from the last kernel? |
| 19:10.28 | bergquist | Cain: yeah... the old fixeruper for windows :) |
| 19:10.34 | NMLZZ | is there a config for a universal-kernel such as debian installs by itself? |
| 19:11.08 | Cain | bergquist : ^^ (i keep windows just for games & photoshop ^^') |
| 19:11.39 | bergquist | Cain: I keep windows just to please my wife... |
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| 19:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds fishy |
| 19:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'd think all windows can do is annoy people.. |
| 19:12.29 | Cain | bergquist : while i can stop playing, you can't stop pleasing your wife can't you ? :p |
| 19:13.05 | russian_ulysses | and here's my problem with linux-base: http://paste.debian.net/79215/. From bts it appears bug is resolved in -15 of linux-image-2.6.32-5, but it's not for me :( |
| 19:13.15 | bergquist | well.. she uses my old laptop with xubuntu on far more than the windows machine... so... it's designated as a testinstallation for the next ubuntu or debian release |
| 19:13.39 | NMLZZ | BlackFate: the actual loaded kernel is working. any new one isn't. how can i recompile the actual kernel to get it working again? |
| 19:14.11 | bergquist | CutMeOwnThroat: and yes... windows only annoys the hell out of me... |
| 19:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should... they got years of practice |
| 19:14.42 | NMLZZ | BlackFate: the problem is, that i deleted the /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686 folder completely, because i wasn't sure whether it conflicts with the new kernel... |
| 19:15.13 | abrotman | so reinstalll the correct kernel package |
| 19:15.40 | NMLZZ | abrotman: how is it called under debian? |
| 19:15.48 | NMLZZ | apt-get install xxxxx?! |
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| 19:16.14 | BlackFate | NMLZZ: linux-imager-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:16.18 | BlackFate | image* |
| 19:16.25 | BlackFate | NMLZZ: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:16.41 | jordanm | !tell NMLZZ about apt-file |
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| 19:17.26 | jujus | hi |
| 19:17.34 | jujus | anyone uses a laptop 15,6 with 1600 x900? |
| 19:17.43 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 19:17.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 19:18.38 | pallgone | anyone knows something about some program? |
| 19:19.57 | jordanm | pallgone: yes |
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| 19:21.56 | NMLZZ | BlackFate: ok, i installed the image ;) modprobe is working again and the /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686 -folder is there again ;) now i want to install the right source |
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| 19:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: kernel compile |
| 19:23.10 | dpkg | [kernel compile] To (re)build the official Debian kernels, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage . For personal kernel packages, it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg>. |
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| 19:24.24 | ecc | i'm trying to use a sony bluetooth remote as an input device. it's working, but doesn't auto-disconnect despite the IdleTimeout setting in /etc/bluetooth/input.conf. any ideas on how to debug this? |
| 19:24.34 | factor | Does anyone know hwere Koffice is in debian testing |
| 19:25.13 | NMLZZ | i find no matching linux-source... i have the kernel 2.6.26-2-686 running, but there's no source linux-source-2.6.26-2-686, only 2.6.26... |
| 19:26.40 | jordanm | NMLZZ: linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 19:26.54 | NMLZZ | jordanm: will it fit? |
| 19:26.56 | M`vy | hey |
| 19:26.57 | rozie | NMLZZ: source is one... |
| 19:27.41 | NMLZZ | rozie: ok...then i will install this source and copy the config from /boot/config-2.6.26-2-686, is that ok? |
| 19:28.01 | M`vy | did someone ever had a probleme where he could access a local server from internet, ping it from a local computer, but cannot connect to it from this same local host? |
| 19:28.25 | rozie | NMLZZ: yes. what do you want to achieve? |
| 19:28.57 | rozie | M`vy: show ifconfig output on pastebin |
| 19:29.12 | rozie | well. wait |
| 19:29.28 | rozie | it's not one machine |
| 19:29.36 | rozie | so you don't need to paste this |
| 19:29.49 | NMLZZ | rozie: i want to achieve a working linux-os with sound! therefore i need a new kernel with alsa as module. |
| 19:29.54 | jordanm | NMLZZ: wth is the point of recompiling if you plan to replicate the default config? |
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| 19:30.18 | NMLZZ | jordanm: i want to take the working config and change only a few sections |
| 19:30.25 | rozie | NMLZZ: but you have alsa support in stock module... |
| 19:30.47 | jordanm | if alsa is in question, there is also alsa-source for building with m-a |
| 19:30.55 | rozie | M`vy: how do you connect to this server? with domanin name? |
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| 19:30.56 | NMLZZ | rozie: i need to install a third-party-alsadriver |
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| 19:31.19 | rozie | NMLZZ: headers should be enough then |
| 19:31.24 | craigevil | factor: koffice is only in experimental (no version in testing or unstable) |
| 19:31.32 | NMLZZ | rozie: headers? |
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| 19:31.42 | M`vy | From my comp, I uses the IP of the LAN, and a dyndns domain name from my remote access |
| 19:31.42 | rozie | kernel headers |
| 19:31.43 | jordanm | NMLZZ: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:32.04 | craigevil | factor: see http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=koffice |
| 19:32.16 | factor | ahh ok thanks |
| 19:32.25 | NMLZZ | jordanm: ah, ok ;) thnx |
| 19:32.27 | qq- | NMLZZ, yes, but try first backports kernel for lenny ... |
| 19:33.15 | factor | stable had kpresenter with DCOP the new one should have kpresenter with DBUS |
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| 19:33.25 | factor | so I can use my remote control for presenatations |
| 19:33.54 | |BonZo| | craigevil: however gecko-mediaplayer does not work in chrome |
| 19:35.34 | NMLZZ | now i'm building a new standard-kernel with old config...just to see whether it works or not...when it works, i start editing it...thnx for help @ all |
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| 19:55.24 | moeubuntu | hello all |
| 19:55.37 | moeubuntu | i just installed debian on a mini notebook i have |
| 19:55.37 | factor | Also I could not get my CUDA card to work with the binary drivers from NVIDIA on debian testing |
| 19:55.47 | moeubuntu | and I'm getting a Unable to determine your tty name |
| 19:55.52 | moeubuntu | no matter what i seem to type |
| 19:55.56 | moeubuntu | any ideas? |
| 19:55.59 | factor | I recompiled my kernel without the nvidia frame buffer stuff and it worked |
| 19:56.34 | factor | so you guys need to make a kernel without the nvidia frame buffer support so CUDA binary drivers can instead be used |
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| 19:58.16 | Deepa | Doesn't Debian's twisted-conch contain the telnet parts and tidbits? |
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| 20:00.09 | moeubuntu | i tried su, root, nothing works |
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| 20:02.49 | craigevil | |BonZo|: sorry thought i had Chrome installed, instead I have Chromium with chromium-ffmpeg-codecs |
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| 20:06.58 | |BonZo| | craigevil: then I will install chromium, I think is the easiest thing at this point. thanks for the idea |
| 20:07.53 | craigevil | chromium-ffmpeg-codecs isnt in the debian repos but you can use deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main non-free contrib to get it |
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| 20:09.02 | PrestonL | I installed the hibernate package, and now my machine is auto hibernating after about 5 minutes. How do I disable this? |
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| 20:12.04 | solifugus | Can someone recommend a quick and easy tool for checking the status of a website being up? |
| 20:12.47 | |BonZo| | craigevil: last time i installed chromium i used an ubuntu unofficial repo and it included chromium-ffmpeg-codecs |
| 20:13.17 | abrotman | solifugus: wget |
| 20:13.37 | solifugus | why do more people seem to use curl over wget, never understood that.. |
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| 20:14.01 | lindi- | solifugus: wget has security bugs |
| 20:14.16 | solifugus | I guess I'll go read the man page to wget.. I've used a lot a long time ago.. just hate reading so much.. |
| 20:14.29 | solifugus | have headache |
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| 20:17.17 | lindi- | For example if you execute wget http://iki.fi/lindi/wget-test/log.txt twice I can execute code on your machine |
| 20:17.33 | lindi- | that kind of default behavior is really not very nice |
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| 20:22.00 | JyZyXEL | so dmcrypt recommends that unencrypting should be done with command like: "dd if=/dev/mapper/crypt_sda1 of=/dev/sda1 bs=4k" it however means that if the dd is interrupted your gonna be left with partially encrypted and unencrypted disk, is there a more safer program to do it with than dd? |
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| 20:23.13 | albondi | hello, i changed a server's hostname manually nano /ect/hostname and now applications that connect to it from inside the lan can't directly use the hostname to connect to it; what did I break? :( |
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| 20:23.50 | valdyn | albondi: the dnsmasq server running on that same server? |
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| 20:24.17 | jordanm | albondi: did you edit /etc/hosts to reflect the changes? |
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| 20:24.44 | valdyn | albondi: err, I misread, you didnt break anything, /etc/hostname is irrelevant |
| 20:25.09 | albondi | jordanm: well, i didn't see how they where before, but i did replace the previous hostname there too |
| 20:25.48 | jordanm | albondi: how does your internal dns resolution work? are you using a local dns server or some zeroconf stuff like avahi? |
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| 20:27.03 | albondi | jordanm: don't really know; it's all done by the routers & modem |
| 20:27.19 | factor | is something wrong with keymaps in debian testing |
| 20:27.35 | factor | I cant use my tvtime and up ch I can however down channel |
| 20:27.54 | jordanm | albondi: if you don't know how it works, its probably zeroconf. try restarting the avahi-daemon |
| 20:28.05 | albondi | lets se |
| 20:28.07 | albondi | e* |
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| 20:29.30 | albondi | quick question b4, what should there be in my ~/hosts file? i've got the 127... , hostname, localhost.localdomain, localhost |
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| 20:29.55 | albondi | and another line that is just localhost, hostname |
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| 20:31.05 | KB1JWQ | albondi: That should work. |
| 20:31.51 | taras | hi. after upgrading lenny -> squeeze, my touchpad on laptop doesn't have "wheel" at right side anymore. what to do? |
| 20:32.37 | epsilon | pray for fix |
| 20:32.44 | albondi | restarted avahi-d and apache2 and didnt work, apache just gives the "could not reliably det..." |
| 20:33.18 | jordanm | albondi: for apache, your ServerName directive in your vhost configu needs to updated to reflect hostname changes |
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| 20:33.43 | jordanm | !tell taras about synaptics |
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| 20:34.17 | albondi | but that error would still appear before i changed it and it still worked fined in the local lan (outbound is disabled) |
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| 20:34.48 | albondi | fine* |
| 20:35.14 | factor | strange went to amarok to see if my keymap would up song and down song , which it did, then went to tvtime again and it now works |
| 20:35.26 | factor | some focus issue maybe with keymaps |
| 20:35.37 | factor | and kde4.4 |
| 20:35.49 | factor | well stopped working again |
| 20:35.55 | jordanm | albondi: it will work fine if you don't have multiple vhosts |
| 20:36.19 | albondi | maybe tvtime needs the keymaps reconfigure or its failing to load a req. library that amarok does load? |
| 20:36.43 | factor | humm will test some more to see what it could be. |
| 20:37.26 | albondi | jordanm: if i set up the dns manually to be google would that intefere... ? |
| 20:37.52 | albondi | in the routers |
| 20:38.08 | factor | its intermittently working on all apps |
| 20:38.11 | jordanm | albondi: interfere with what? your server looking up its own name? no |
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| 20:38.39 | albondi | no, other workstation in that lan using the hostname in the browser |
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| 20:38.48 | albondi | for a SaaS application* |
| 20:39.11 | factor | I have a ps/2 keybaord and usb plugged in and both are doing the same thing |
| 20:39.56 | factor | no up arrow |
| 20:39.57 | jordanm | albondi: no, not unless before you pointed at google, you pointed at an local authorative domain for your network |
| 20:40.12 | albondi | thats what i thought |
| 20:40.14 | jordanm | (or something capable of querying it) |
| 20:40.31 | factor | pg up works but not up arrow |
| 20:42.15 | factor | how can I reload the keymap |
| 20:43.43 | albondi | host does not exit! arg makes me just want to reload the initial disk image and just reinstall programs |
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| 20:45.17 | albondi | but for that there is windows heh, i actually want to see what's wrong and why |
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| 20:47.41 | bkraptor | ,versions icedove |
| 20:47.42 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; sid: 3.0.5-1; squeeze: 3.0.5-1 |
| 20:47.49 | bkraptor | ,versions iceweasel |
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| 20:47.50 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
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| 20:47.59 | bkraptor | still no 3.6.6 |
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| 20:49.25 | iceroot | bkraptor: there is only one difference in 3.6.4 - 3.6.6 ad that is a value in the config |
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| 20:50.49 | jordanm | IMO, if you want the "latest" mozilla products, you should track upstream |
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| 20:52.34 | magyar_ | hi all, my /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting over written, how can i stop this from happening? |
| 20:52.55 | magyar_ | i don't have dhcp |
| 20:52.59 | magyar_ | my ip is static |
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| 20:53.15 | jordanm | magyar_: network-manager and avahi-daemon are the usual offenders |
| 20:53.21 | factor | magyar: I think the netowrkmanager stuff or avahia I think has control over it |
| 20:53.21 | hochron | is there anyway to have iceweasel change the popup "download has now finished." somewhere else it gets in the way of my virtual desktops |
| 20:53.22 | albondi | http://pastebin.org/368578 <--- maybe im missing something |
| 20:53.39 | jordanm | magyar_: most likely you want to install the "resolvconf" package, disable network-manager, and define your nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:53.51 | factor | magyar :you may try chmod so it is not writtable |
| 20:54.08 | jordanm | ^ that is a work-around, not a solution |
| 20:54.31 | factor | jordanm:looks like that owuld be the better and correct option, mine was just a quick fix |
| 20:56.21 | magyar_ | jordanm, thank you, will try |
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| 21:00.07 | syslq1 | Anybody using Enlightenment (e16)? |
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| 21:00.24 | jhutchins_lt | syslq1: Yes, people are using e16. |
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| 21:02.30 | syslq1 | jhutchins_lt: I'd try it but I wonder how complicated is to set system settings (audio, video...)? If I'd have to do it by editing config files it's too time consuming |
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| 21:03.59 | factor | how do I reload the keymap in debian? |
| 21:04.08 | taras | jordanm: thanks for gpointing-device-settings. is there way to reset its settings to defaults? I messed them up |
| 21:04.09 | pozic | Is E17 going to be released like ever? |
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| 21:04.31 | syslq1 | pozic: it's in svn, I'm just deciding to give it a go |
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| 21:05.42 | pozic | syslq1: it has been in svn for a long time, and it has always been hard to build. |
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| 21:06.06 | pozic | syslq1: by "hard" I mean, "having to perform more than one command to make it work" |
| 21:06.27 | pozic | syslq1: you had to read the README very carefully to build everything in the right order, etc. |
| 21:06.58 | pozic | If users/developers have to think to build the software something is deeply wrong. |
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| 21:07.24 | pozic | I know the reason for why they did this, but it is a fairly stupid reason. |
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| 21:07.50 | syslq1 | pozic: yeah, it makes no sense then, I dont have that much time to spare |
| 21:07.50 | hochron | is there anyway to have iceweasel change the popup "download has now finished." somewhere else it gets in the way of my virtual desktops |
| 21:07.52 | lindi- | hmm, is there some easy way to do multithreaded video encoding with debian? first idea that comes to my mind is to split the input file into half, encode both parts separately and then somehow join the results |
| 21:08.04 | lindi- | but I'm not sure if I can figure out how to do that with ffmpeg |
| 21:08.10 | syslq1 | lindi-: ffmpeg has threads |
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| 21:08.26 | lindi- | syslq1: ffmpeg -i foo.avi foo.webm uses only 100% cpu time |
| 21:08.34 | lindi- | syslq1: and I have two cores |
| 21:08.47 | syslq1 | lindi-: you can do what you asked with gstreamer but I totally fogot how |
| 21:08.52 | lindi- | syslq1: so I probably need some magic to make it actually use threads? |
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| 21:09.29 | syslq1 | lindi-: I managed to get ffmpeg threaded working but I had to compile it from source and read shitloads of docs |
| 21:09.46 | lindi- | syslq1: yes i'm asking if this is possible with debian |
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| 21:10.54 | syslq1 | lindi-: yes, it was on debian system and with ffmpeg but I dont know what build options I have used |
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| 21:11.16 | syslq1 | lindi-: you need to enable threading, it's not on by default |
| 21:12.00 | PrestonL | What would make a debian machine hibernate automatically after about five min of idle time? |
| 21:12.36 | lindi- | syslq1: well i meant if it is possible with software only from debian. i don't really want to depend on software that is not in debian if at all possible |
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| 21:13.30 | syslq1 | lindi-: you download ffmpeg source, compile it and build debian package with checkinstall, it's easy |
| 21:13.46 | syslq1 | lindi-: this way you have true deb and rollback option |
| 21:14.08 | lindi- | syslq1: that could download non-free stuff |
| 21:14.51 | lindi- | syslq1: and the produced package would break policy |
| 21:15.24 | qq- | , depends ffmpeg |
| 21:15.24 | judd | ffmpeg -- depends: libavcodec51 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavcodec-unstripped-51 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavdevice52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavdevice-unstripped-52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavformat52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavformat-unstripped-52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavutil49 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavutil-unstripped-49 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libimlib2, |
| 21:15.24 | lindi- | syslq1: '--enable-pthreads use pthreads [no]' maybe this? |
| 21:15.26 | judd | libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libswscale0 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libswscale-unstripped-0 (>= 0.svn20080206-8). |
| 21:15.34 | syslq1 | lindi-: yes |
| 21:15.37 | factor | will reboot to see if the keymap works or not |
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| 21:15.54 | syslq1 | lindi-: how do you mean non free stuff, ffmpeg is open source |
| 21:16.44 | lindi- | syslq1: I can't trust that sorry :) |
| 21:16.44 | syslq1 | aptitude build-deb is my favorite :) |
| 21:17.04 | lindi- | so many upstreams ship non-free stuff and call it open source |
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| 21:17.21 | syslq1 | lindi-: ah, dunno, I just use debian sometimes coz I like it, I'm not into politics :) |
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| 21:17.53 | syslq1 | lindi-: ubuntu came to mind I guess :=)? |
| 21:18.08 | lindi- | syslq1: I'm not into politics either, I just want that I myself can share and change software without having to be afraid. other people can use what they want |
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| 21:19.25 | syslq1 | lindi-: I understand, btw, gstreamer has some cli tools that can do wonders I heard |
| 21:19.33 | syslq1 | spliting, joining.... |
| 21:19.55 | syslq1 | I just use ffmpeg myself |
| 21:20.13 | lindi- | syslq1: debian ffmpeg already ships with 'confflags += --enable-pthreads' |
| 21:21.08 | lindi- | syslq1: and build log confirms "threading support pthreads^M" |
| 21:21.09 | syslq1 | lindi-: mhm, cool, then I needed som codec support or something |
| 21:21.30 | lindi- | theora or webm? |
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| 21:21.47 | syslq1 | or just newest ffmpeg version, I was using it on stable server and ffmpeg was acient |
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| 21:22.14 | lindi- | I'm using ffmpeg from experimental |
| 21:22.23 | syslq1 | backports? |
| 21:22.28 | lindi- | no i built it from experimental |
| 21:22.32 | syslq1 | aha |
| 21:22.38 | lindi- | in an unstable chroot running on a stable system running inside xen |
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| 21:23.01 | pozic | How can I resize a NTFS partition? |
| 21:23.07 | syslq1 | lindi-: but virtualization overhead must make this process painfully slow |
| 21:23.11 | pozic | It seems gparted does not recognize it. |
| 21:23.17 | syslq1 | pozic acronis disk director |
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| 21:23.24 | syslq1 | pozic it's not free |
| 21:23.25 | lindi- | syslq1: i don't think xen causes much overhead for this stuff |
| 21:23.45 | lindi- | the fact that I am building on NFS probably causes a lot more overhead (20%?) |
| 21:24.05 | syslq1 | pozic: but it wont f*ck up your data |
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| 21:24.47 | syslq1 | lindi-: it seems you know your stuf :), I'm just looking at chroot tehniques myself, but I'm probably just going to use openvz |
| 21:24.59 | syslq1 | chrooting is painfull, for all the copying etc... |
| 21:25.03 | syslq1 | dynamic linking... |
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| 21:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: Back it up, delete it, recreate it, restore. It's faster than resizing. |
| 21:25.57 | lindi- | syslq1: iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt is painless |
| 21:26.05 | lindi- | syslq1: no copying involved |
| 21:26.22 | lindi- | syslq1: i'm not talking about minimal chroots here. the chroots have a complete debian installation |
| 21:26.44 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: it should be unallocated completely free, contiguous. How can that possibly be a slow operation? |
| 21:27.14 | pozic | syslq1: any experience with something that does f*ck up your data? |
| 21:27.15 | syslq1 | aha, that makes more sense :) |
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| 21:28.23 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: You don't have to believe me, test it yourself. |
| 21:29.14 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: ok, so do you know the reason for why this is the case? |
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| 21:29.38 | syslq1 | pozic: hmm, not really, I have been using dynamic volumes for almost 10 years now |
| 21:29.46 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: It has to do with how the resize tools operate to protect data. |
| 21:29.54 | syslq1 | So resizing is easy |
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| 21:30.26 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: Expanding is probably not as slow as shrinking. |
| 21:30.31 | LiNeK | ïðèâåòèê |
| 21:30.33 | LiNeK | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.52 | qq- | !ops LiNeK |
| 21:30.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: LiNeK |
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| 21:31.35 | syslq1 | It's not faster than resizing |
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| 21:31.59 | syslq1 | Eh, from what I remember at least |
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| 21:32.28 | pozic | syslq1: ntfsresize seems to do it. |
| 21:32.41 | themill | LiNeK: that wasn't acceptable on #ubuntu and isn't acceptable here. |
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| 21:33.10 | bombba | hello, i want to have special xterm settings for every window manager that i'm running, so i will have to add these to the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc file and not to the ~/.xinitrc file, right? |
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| 21:34.51 | syslq1 | pozic: from what I'm reading yes, but I have no experience with it |
| 21:35.28 | syslq1 | pozic: advice on backing up data and recreating was not a bad one, if you have sensetive data you should backup before doing this |
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| 21:37.31 | xxtjaxx | Hi everyone I seem to have a bug in stunnel it cant find /etc/stunnel/stunnel.pem whats that and can I generate that? |
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| 21:38.51 | factor | rebooted and fixed the keymap problem |
| 21:39.11 | factor | then had a sound problem pulse audio, but removed it and rebotted and my sound is back |
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| 21:39.44 | factor | everything back to good now, i can start instal my dev packages |
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| 21:45.15 | syslq1 | factor: you see, first ms rule is also valid on Debian |
| 21:45.22 | syslq1 | reboot |
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| 21:46.00 | factor | no one would help me |
| 21:46.11 | factor | I asked how to reinstall the keymap , yet the room was quiet |
| 21:46.19 | factor | so just rebooted |
| 21:46.21 | syslq1 | factor: you expected help from open source community? ROFL |
| 21:46.35 | syslq1 | factor: you will get rtfm if you're lucky :) |
| 21:46.51 | dropson | I'm trying to add a line to crontab through a script. crontab -l | (cat;echo "*/1 * * * * php /opt/code.php") | crontab <- This works on Fedora, but not Debian. |
| 21:47.06 | petemc | syslq1: you think its funny to insult all the people here who volunteer their time to help others? |
| 21:47.26 | factor | well reboot was much quicker and worked |
| 21:47.45 | themill | dropson: which version of debian? |
| 21:47.58 | syslq1 | petemc: nope, I actually think what I said. There way too much arogance in open source community in general |
| 21:48.02 | Tramp | dropson: works fine for me, as it should - maybe add a "-" to the last crontab |
| 21:48.13 | syslq1 | factor: yeah :), but you dont learn anything doing that |
| 21:48.18 | dropson | themill, I'm using 5.0 |
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| 21:48.37 | lewis | I recently upgraded Debian 'squeeze' on three boxes, and in turn, munin-node from 1.2.5 to 1.4.5. In doing so, munin-node now no longer returns anything for the 'list' command, only for 'list hostname.com'. As such, munin, version 1.2.5 or 1.4.5, no longer fetches any data. Any ideas? |
| 21:48.53 | dropson | Tramp: What version are you using? |
| 21:49.00 | Tramp | dropson: squeeze |
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| 21:49.49 | themill | dropson: you're running this from a script, you said -- different shell? different version of the shell? |
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| 21:50.03 | Tramp | dropson: according to the manpage, crontab with this synopsis requires a file, though for me it works without the "-" denoting stdin |
| 21:50.11 | syslq1 | petemc: you're from UK? |
| 21:50.27 | dropson | themill; I'm running it from the shell I'm logged in as, root. /bin/bash isn't it? |
| 21:50.30 | Tramp | dropson: however - maybe that changed. So I suggest to try with "-" |
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| 21:50.38 | petemc | syslq1: yes |
| 21:50.49 | dropson | Tramp: you are right; I get this: crontab: usage error: file name must be specified for replace |
| 21:50.55 | syslq1 | petemc: great :) |
| 21:50.59 | Tramp | yw |
| 21:50.59 | themill | dropson: yeah, that should be /bin/bash. (what Tramp said) |
| 21:51.12 | dropson | and; no crontab for root |
| 21:52.36 | dropson | Tramp: adding the last - worked. Thanks for sorting that out for me |
| 21:53.28 | themill | dropson: it's probably a different version of cron (hence crontab) between the distros. cron is something that has been rewritten so many times there's an awful lot of NIH about it. |
| 21:53.43 | syslq1 | Debian supports upstart? |
| 21:54.08 | Tramp | dropson: yes. That behaviour changed in 3.0pl1-106 (which is in between lenny and squeeze versions) |
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| 21:54.38 | themill | dpkg: tell syslq1 about search |
| 21:55.05 | dropson | themill: From what I've read in the /etc/crontab file, just adding a new line there would automaticly be added to the cron, because cron supposedly reads this file. Doesn't seem like it because I've tried that too |
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| 21:56.21 | pyther24 | Hello |
| 21:56.28 | pyther24 | I'm trying to configure rsyslog |
| 21:56.39 | pyther24 | local7.notice /var/log/cisco/switches/notice.log <newline> local7.info /var/log/cisco/switches/info.log |
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| 21:56.52 | pyther24 | but a notice message logs to both files |
| 21:56.59 | pyther24 | Why is this? |
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| 21:58.23 | themill | dropson: I presume you've noticed that /etc/crontab (and /etc/cron.d/*) have a different format to the other crontabs -- common mistake to miss that. |
| 21:59.06 | Tramp | pyther24: because, iirc, foo.bar means "priority bar or higher". |
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| 21:59.46 | Tramp | pyther24: to specify only this priority you have to strategically place a "=" somewhere |
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| 22:00.42 | Tramp | pyther24: as in foo.=bar (iirc) |
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| 22:01.46 | dropson | themill: you're right, I see the difference in the first column, and that is has a extra user column | /etc/crontab + /etc/cron.d/* is something different than the crontab I'm editing, correct? |
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| 22:02.28 | themill | dropson: that's right -- user crontabs don't need a "user" column. |
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| 22:05.19 | pyther24 | Tramp, cheers! |
| 22:05.30 | Tramp | yw |
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| 22:09.11 | dupondje | Somebody has any idea why when I login into vsftpd, my dmesg adds 'lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions' ? |
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| 22:13.16 | bombba | maybe somebody could tell me how i can tell debian not to start x or gnome or any other window manager when booting, so that i can start x and my window managers manually? |
| 22:13.31 | lindi- | bombba: update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 22:13.52 | dupondje | Somebody has any idea why when I login into vsftpd, my dmesg adds 'lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions' ? |
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| 22:15.06 | bombba | lindi-: so i when i boot up the next time, neither X nor my window managers will start automatically? no config file entry to change? |
| 22:15.14 | craigevil | dupondje: stop repeating |
| 22:15.41 | lindi- | bombba: you can have xdm, nodm installed too |
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| 22:16.21 | bombba | lindi-: update-rc.d disable is no solution at all! i want my rc file to be updated! |
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| 22:16.35 | lindi- | bombba: what rc file? |
| 22:17.52 | Tramp | bombba: echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 22:18.04 | bombba | lindi-: i meant all my other 'rc files', of course |
| 22:18.23 | syslq1 | Why debian testing installs two kernels? |
| 22:18.29 | syslq1 | default instalation |
| 22:18.39 | lindi- | bombba: what are rc files? |
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| 22:19.33 | bombba | lindi-: sorry, i confused 'rc files' with dotfiles, as i have some ending with 'rc', sorry |
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| 22:20.14 | bombba | Tramp: that seems to be what i'm looking for, but will it also manage, that X won't start at all? |
| 22:20.46 | Tramp | if you "startx" it will start |
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| 22:21.18 | bombba | yes, but if i don't do 'startx', will it already be running? |
| 22:22.02 | qq- | no |
| 22:22.06 | Tramp | why would it? |
| 22:22.12 | bombba | donnu |
| 22:22.29 | Tramp | nthrdoi |
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| 22:27.12 | nsadmin | bombba, if you knew already what you wanted to do, you could have researched it or said so... this game of "here's something you can do: ..." "yeah, but ..." is boring |
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| 22:28.34 | craigevil | 6/msg dpkg nodm |
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| 22:32.32 | bombba | nsadmin: sorry, often i confuse irc and search engines, sorry for that |
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| 22:35.05 | nsadmin | bombba I am not saying you shouldn't have asked, only that you should have mentioned that you wanted to keep the configs,... if you always want to startx tho, I don't see why you'd want to keep gdm/kdm |
| 22:35.26 | syslq1 | Uhm, debian unstable installation failed: reason-could not install grub, installing lilo went fine... |
| 22:36.07 | nsadmin | syslq1: thanks for testing that... if you could write an installation report, that would be cool |
| 22:36.15 | NoCode | Is OpenGL broke in Squeeze like it is in Ubuntu for x3100 (GM965)? |
| 22:36.25 | NoCode | (intel) |
| 22:36.33 | syslq1 | nsadmin: are you serious? |
| 22:36.45 | syslq1 | nsadmin: or being sarcastic |
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| 22:36.47 | nsadmin | of course. thanks for testing. |
| 22:36.59 | lindi- | NoCode: check bugs.debian.org first? |
| 22:37.08 | syslq1 | nsadmin: debian testing has been stable for me |
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| 22:37.30 | nsadmin | debian stable has been testing for me... |
| 22:37.34 | nsadmin | j/k. |
| 22:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian unstable has... let's skip that |
| 22:38.04 | syslq1 | :) |
| 22:38.08 | nsadmin | syslq1, what response are you expecting? |
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| 22:38.37 | syslq1 | nsadmin not the one I got, debian testing never made any problems for me so far |
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| 22:39.38 | nsadmin | so you said "unstable install failed", I said "thanks for checking that out, you could help further by writing a report"... what did you want people to say? |
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| 22:39.52 | syslq1 | nsadmin: I said testing |
| 22:39.57 | liable | past experiences can't be extrapolated forward when it comes to using testing.. |
| 22:40.13 | nsadmin | not in your original statement |
| 22:40.17 | syslq1 | Ok, what do you guys use on desktops |
| 22:40.21 | syslq1 | nsadmin: ah, sorry then |
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| 22:40.40 | nsadmin | <syslq1> Uhm, debian unstable installation failed: reason-could not install grub, installing lilo went fine... |
| 22:40.48 | nsadmin | what did you mean? |
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| 22:41.15 | syslq1 | nsadmin: everything went fine untill I got grub error, anyway solved it |
| 22:41.20 | syslq1 | replaced lilo with grub |
| 22:41.37 | nsadmin | ok, now I'm really confused :) |
| 22:41.46 | liable | check for grub bugs |
| 22:42.04 | liable | someone had an issue with grub2 yesterday as well, dunno if its related |
| 22:42.12 | nsadmin | you're saying unstable then testing now you're confirming your original statement... |
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| 22:42.29 | nsadmin | I'm sure I don't know how to respond to that! |
| 22:42.31 | syslq1 | nsadmin: forget it |
| 22:42.37 | syslq1 | nsadmin: dont respond |
| 22:42.42 | syslq1 | use ignore if you have to |
| 22:42.53 | bombba | nsadmin: i've to admit that i didn't really know what exaclty i want to do, but now i know it, i want to start my debian system into 'console mode', so no X should automatically be started and no window manager should be started, as i want to test diverse such managers with differetn X settings, so i also want to stop all of the managers and stop X and finally restart X and then restart the wms again etc. (just stopping the default gdm won't prev |
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| 22:43.41 | nsadmin | bombba: so, sometimes you want to startx, sometimes you want to run <whatever>dm |
| 22:44.23 | nsadmin | but you don't want to run <whatever>dm at boot |
| 22:44.51 | nsadmin | do I have that correct? |
| 22:45.03 | syslq1 | nsadmin: /boot as ext2 or 3, journaling doesnt seem to make any sense on 256 megs? |
| 22:45.11 | bombba | so my question is: how can i tell debian not to start X at all when i boot the system ?? (and moreover, i don't want to have a default window manager (which will be solved by just adding false to 'default-display-manager' file)) |
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| 22:45.47 | liable | just remoce the dm untill you have finished fucking around |
| 22:46.08 | nsadmin | syslq1, hmm. there are issues with ext2 by itself, especially the fscks |
| 22:46.10 | bombba | nsadmin: you got that correct, at boot i don't want to startx and when startx, i don't want a default dm |
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| 22:46.27 | syslq1 | nsadmin: thanks |
| 22:46.43 | nsadmin | bombba: are you handy with scripting? |
| 22:46.55 | bombba | nsadmin: shell scripting? |
| 22:47.01 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 22:47.13 | bombba | not really |
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| 22:47.52 | nsadmin | ok, well... I'll run this out anyway, in case you want to try it... there can be a file .xsession in your home dir, |
| 22:48.45 | bombba | but at the moment the only question is: how can i manage that X won't start when i boot? (i know some distros that do that, so you have to do 'startx' and then the default dm will start) |
| 22:49.43 | nsadmin | what this file should do is start things like window mgrs etc, whatever you might want at the time, and it should background them, EXCEPT for the last one which should remain in the foreground. when this last process dies or exits, it is a signal to .xsession to end your x session |
| 22:50.14 | nsadmin | so if you test one thing or another, .xsession is a handy way to start what you want. |
| 22:50.19 | nsadmin | by convention... |
| 22:50.45 | bombba | i thought that was .xinitrc and the last entry has to be 'exec', so for example 'exec xterm'... |
| 22:51.11 | nsadmin | the last thing started would be a window manager; when it exits, the session exits |
| 22:51.17 | bombba | (xterm is no dm, i know) |
| 22:51.22 | nsadmin | oh, right, you can exec it too |
| 22:51.28 | nsadmin | but you can do that |
| 22:51.37 | nsadmin | so that when you exit that xterm... |
| 22:51.43 | nsadmin | your x terminates |
| 22:51.51 | bombba | is it ~/.xinitrc of ~/.xsession ? |
| 22:51.52 | fastflo | bombba, it doesn't have to be an exec, you just replace the .xsession-script-process by the newly started xterm or whatever and get effectively the same behaviour |
| 22:52.34 | nsadmin | I always used .xsession |
| 22:53.06 | nsadmin | I guess you could use .xinitrc; dunno if it's supported or not |
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| 22:53.44 | nsadmin | if you exec xterm btw, you don't need a wm at all |
| 22:53.56 | nsadmin | and you can start one from the xterm |
| 22:54.19 | bombba | i know that there is a /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc default file which will be read in case there is no ~/.xinitrc file and there you can place certain xterm settings etc. |
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| 22:56.38 | bombba | so i can startx (witch exec xterm), then i have a xterm session on :0, and from this xterm session i can start multiple window managers on :1/:2:/3 etc. and i can stop them and restart them again, but X won't terminate untill i kill the xterm session on :0? |
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| 22:57.37 | bombba | "witch" = "with" ^_^ |
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| 22:59.08 | nsadmin | you might even be able to exec from the xterm, but I'm not sure whether it will replace the xterm process or the shell process running inside it |
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| 23:00.25 | bombba | let's keep it simple... |
| 23:00.29 | nsadmin | won't exit until you kill the xterm that was originally execed |
| 23:01.00 | bombba | but when i startx now, still gnome starts...any idea how to solve that? |
| 23:01.21 | nsadmin | try having a .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 23:02.10 | bombba | i have a .xinitrc and added the line 'xterm -bg black -fg white -cr purple exec', but still gnome seems to be the default dm |
| 23:02.12 | liable | or startx /usr/bin/<yourwm> |
| 23:03.08 | nsadmin | and also examine the /etc/Xll/Xsession |
| 23:03.14 | bombba | liable: yes, that works, but i just want to start a xtermsession and start all the wms from this session, look to my earlier statement |
| 23:03.17 | bombba | s |
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| 23:03.58 | nsadmin | you want to test things, and things won't always be the same, so we're giving you a lot of different approaches you can use depending on what you want at the time |
| 23:04.37 | nsadmin | try startx /usr/bin/xterm |
| 23:04.44 | bombba | and that is really great, let's state this! |
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| 23:06.28 | nsadmin | also note that you could have a regular x complete with login box and everything on :0 and you can test on :1 |
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| 23:07.48 | bombba | oh, never thought about that, how would a 'complete' X 'session' be started? or did i get that wrong? |
| 23:08.02 | bombba | btw, startx /usr/bin/xterm works like a charm |
| 23:08.33 | nsadmin | well you just let the <whatever>dm run |
| 23:08.43 | nsadmin | that is you restore the defaults |
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| 23:09.16 | nsadmin | then I think you have to feed startx some extra params, telling it which x display (:1) and a free vt (like vt8) |
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| 23:11.52 | Schuenemann | how do I create an environment variable available systemwide? I tried "export DIR=/media/dir" in the end of /etc/profile - it did not work |
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| 23:12.13 | Schuenemann | do I need to restart of log off? I only reopened xterm |
| 23:12.25 | bombba | ok, i can startx /usr/bin/xterm, but from that xterm i can't start my vms, which is no problem as i can start them from tty1 right away, but still gnome starts when i type 'startx', though there is the 'false' entry in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 23:12.44 | nsadmin | environment variables apply to one process |
| 23:12.54 | nsadmin | stated in reverse... |
| 23:13.16 | nsadmin | each process has its own collection of environment varibles |
| 23:13.20 | syslq1 | When partitioning, is there a difference if I create /home before /root, from what I understand there should not be any |
| 23:13.44 | Schuenemann | nsadmin, you mean it's only available to that xterm process I closed? |
| 23:13.59 | nsadmin | it doesn't matter what order. have you looked into LVM? |
| 23:14.26 | syslq1 | nsadmin: yeah, I love snapshot thingy |
| 23:14.32 | nsadmin | gotta go for awhile |
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| 23:15.29 | nsadmin | bombba: before I go I wanted to tell you I think it's cool you want to poke around and see how things work |
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| 23:15.59 | bombba | hmm one more thing, d'you know what dbus-lauch means? |
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| 23:16.28 | nsadmin | no, forgot what dbus is |
| 23:16.45 | bombba | ok |
| 23:16.53 | nsadmin | others here do know |
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| 23:16.59 | streuner_ | !dbus |
| 23:17.00 | dpkg | D-Bus (Desktop Bus) is an <IPC> system for software to communicate with each other. The dbus-1-doc package contains the API documentation along with the protocol specification. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DBusAnalogy http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ #dbus on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:17.03 | bombba | thx for your help, see ya (hopefully) |
| 23:17.38 | nsadmin | so it's like corba? |
| 23:17.51 | streuner_ | look at wikipedia, it explain its much better |
| 23:18.18 | streuner_ | IIRC |
| 23:18.25 | bombba | strange, cause i ran ./Xsession and now htop gives me a debus explosion! |
| 23:19.17 | nsadmin | let startx run your ~you/.xsession and it's recommended you make changes to that file and not to the global Xsession |
| 23:19.19 | streuner_ | nsadmin: hm, cobra or such was the KDE thinge, IIRC, and they just made d-bus for KDE and GNOME then... |
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| 23:20.34 | bombba | lemme try that |
| 23:21.18 | nsadmin | to that end, explore all the pieces that influence what the global Xsession does |
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| 23:24.57 | streuner_ | "D-Bus has replaced DCOP in the KDE 4 release. In GNOME it has gradually replaced most parts of the earlier Bonobo mechanism." |
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| 23:27.33 | abrotman | yay! or something |
| 23:28.11 | bombba | ok, had a total overkill, screen went black and nothing worked...maybe it's better to call the file .xinitrc not .xsession |
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| 23:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, xsession is not really compatible with Desktop Environments like KDE & Gnome, it's meant more for raw X. |
| 23:29.33 | bombba | nsadmin: still here? |
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| 23:30.39 | streuner_ | <nsadmin> gotta go for awhile... |
| 23:30.47 | streuner_ | just ask the channel |
| 23:31.32 | bombba | ok, thx |
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| 23:32.05 | streuner_ | bombba: using startx? |
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| 23:32.42 | bombba | when just type 'startx' then still the default gnome starts, but i just want to startx without gnome, how can i cut the wire between x and gnome? |
| 23:32.46 | streuner_ | bombba: what kind of WM do you (want) use? |
| 23:33.27 | streuner_ | well, just create an entry in .xsession (exec <some WM>) |
| 23:33.56 | bombba | i want to test all kinds of wms simultaniously, but there should be no default wm |
| 23:34.22 | bombba | streuner_: i have no .xsession, i have a .xinitrc, look at what jhutchins_lt just said |
| 23:34.49 | streuner_ | well, we told you already, just use .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 23:35.01 | streuner_ | it shouldnt make a big difference |
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| 23:36.12 | streuner_ | but, keep in mind, for some WMs you need a special start procedure (look into there docs about) |
| 23:36.13 | bombba | hmm, still somewhere in one particular file gdm is set to be the default vm (i've already deleted it in /etc/X11/default-display-manager) |
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| 23:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | streuner_: X |
| 23:36.57 | jhutchins_lt | streuner_: Just plain X |
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| 23:40.44 | sepult | how do i get rid of all packages with aptitude, which are not important ? |
| 23:40.58 | sepult | or which are not in the base install |
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| 23:42.01 | ksk | im afraid i cant tell u |
| 23:42.12 | |BonZo| | it seem that jacko-mediaplayer doesn't work with chromium too... |
| 23:42.14 | abrotman | that's not as easy as you might think .. but you could do something like aptitude remove '~poptional' |
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| 23:42.27 | ksk | "not important" is kinda subjective / depending on ur needs |
| 23:42.46 | themill | sepult: /msg dpkg uninstall everything |
| 23:42.57 | ksk | u could install a netinstall or even business-card debian |
| 23:43.14 | ksk | and then just install the stuff u need |
| 23:43.29 | chomwitt | in squeeze i installed the latest version of xorg and now i have direct rendering but only software acceleration. is there a remedy? |
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| 23:43.51 | abrotman | !tell ksk about u |
| 23:45.05 | ksk | got it, mr abrotman |
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| 23:45.36 | joelmichael | lenny starts daemons for atd, cron, and anacron by default |
| 23:45.43 | joelmichael | are all of these necessary? |
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| 23:46.51 | abrotman | joelmichael: they're pretty good things to have .. they do system maintenance tasks |
| 23:47.26 | streuner_ | feel free to remove every package you dont want |
| 23:48.06 | joelmichael | they seem redundant, but i guess they serve different purposes |
| 23:48.56 | ksk | you can try to google "debian atd/cron/anacron" works fine |
| 23:49.21 | themill | looks at ksk |
| 23:49.39 | ksk | hides |
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| 23:55.24 | bombba | ok, one more try, maybe someone knows about that, when i type 'startx', then gnome starts as some kind of default window manager, but i would like to have now default window manager, so 'startx' should just start plain X - does anyone know where in all the config files is the bridge between 'startx' and gnome? |
| 23:56.39 | anomaly | bombba you want startx to just load a terminal and nothing else? |
| 23:56.42 | abrotman | there are a few different places |
| 23:56.49 | anomaly | xinitrc is the file responsible for what loads for X |
| 23:56.53 | nsadmin | to that end, explore all the pieces that influence what the global Xsession does |
| 23:56.55 | abrotman | not the only file |
| 23:57.17 | abrotman | bombba: what is `ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager' ? |
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| 23:58.05 | abrotman | you can also change it in gconf and ~/.xsession |
| 23:58.31 | abrotman | and you really shouldn't use .xinitrc |
| 23:58.35 | bombba | aaaahhh, an error message that just occured "too many arguments....back to default session" just told me that there must be some place where something like a default X session with a specific window manager is declared (i clicked ok in that X message box and gnome started) |
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