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| 00:00.37 | bombba | abrotman: it gives me '/etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/metacity', so maybe metacity is set to start gnome, does that make sense? |
| 00:01.00 | abrotman | bombba: what are you really trying to do? |
| 00:03.07 | bombba | i would like to be able to type 'startx' and that should start a xterm on :0 with certain preferences that i've set in .xinitrc, so there should me no default window manager |
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| 00:03.27 | abrotman | then that's what you should do .. but you probably shouldn't use .xinitrc .. i already said that |
| 00:04.50 | |BonZo| | someone managed to run some multimedia plugin in chrome/chromium? |
| 00:05.14 | bombba | abrotman: what is this alternatives folder for? |
| 00:05.29 | abrotman | you can use it to change the window manager |
| 00:05.39 | nsadmin | |BonZo| have you? |
| 00:05.53 | bombba | huh? |
| 00:06.07 | |BonZo| | nsadmin: no... |
| 00:06.45 | abrotman | bombba: try using .xsession |
| 00:06.50 | nsadmin | |BonZo| have you tried? |
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| 00:07.03 | nsadmin | |BonZo| and what have you tried? |
| 00:07.08 | abrotman | bombba: if you look around on google, you can find something like doing a kiosk mode |
| 00:07.14 | DevNullnDull | hi all, weird problem with PXE, if I boot the clients to use DHCP server that is on the same server as the tftp(which is a Debian box) i can boot. But if I move DHCP service to our Windows Production DHCP server, still pointing to the "next-server" and "filename" as the tftp server, some clients can not boot with the error of "TFTP open timeout". Any ideas? |
| 00:07.48 | |BonZo| | nsadmin: yes, i tried vlc-mozilla-plugin and gecko-mediaplayer with both chrome and chromium |
| 00:08.36 | |BonZo| | i also triet to link the plugin from /usr/lib/mozilla to /opt/google/chrome or waht is it |
| 00:08.56 | |BonZo| | it seems that chrome just doesn't see the plugin |
| 00:09.20 | bombba | abrotman: another question: when i want xterm to be started with certain settings (i.e. red text, black background) in _every_ window manager, then i would edit .xinitrc or the default /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc? |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | bombba: man xterm |
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| 00:31.23 | loopidity | is so stuck |
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| 00:31.48 | loopidity | video chat on skype crashes, where could be the problem, cam or vdo card or skype.. |
| 00:32.44 | streuner | well, skype has there own packages, Debian doesnt support skype |
| 00:32.58 | streuner | but, its a really good question |
| 00:33.17 | loopidity | any alternative to skype? linux and windows compatible.. |
| 00:33.31 | streuner | in linux? not many... |
| 00:33.57 | streuner | there are alternatives, but they work not that good |
| 00:34.06 | loopidity | i am trying to help this grandma connect with skype with her family |
| 00:34.16 | loopidity | and she happens to be linux enthusiast |
| 00:34.18 | streuner | old news :-P |
| 00:34.31 | loopidity | but the cam doesnt work.. |
| 00:34.35 | streuner | in order to do video-chat she must :-P |
| 00:35.45 | BlackFate | well... i vote for video card issue |
| 00:36.08 | loopidity | its an intel card, would updating help? |
| 00:36.12 | streuner | sure, if its not a laptop, easy to solve... |
| 00:36.24 | loopidity | it is :( |
| 00:36.29 | loopidity | and old german laptop |
| 00:36.36 | streuner | graet |
| 00:36.44 | streuner | fine |
| 00:36.54 | loopidity | in fact the vdo works while testing |
| 00:37.00 | loopidity | just on real chat it crashes |
| 00:37.33 | loopidity | i got /usr/lib/gconv/UTF-16.soSegmentation fault |
| 00:37.39 | loopidity | what in the world that mean |
| 00:37.52 | streuner | so that stuff working in windows, but not in Linux? |
| 00:38.02 | loopidity | it used to |
| 00:38.06 | streuner | (its the software in Linux then) |
| 00:38.26 | streuner | !skype |
| 00:38.27 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 00:39.23 | craigevil | empathy and pidgin support video/chat in google talk, might be something to look at |
| 00:39.43 | loopidity | now i got glibc detected, skype:malloc() memory corruption...Segmentation fault |
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| 00:40.20 | loopidity | craigevil, u mean download empathy and add google talk account...? |
| 00:41.47 | loopidity | ah, this time i saw the video for 1 sec |
| 00:42.07 | loopidity | is it cause the vdo is taking too much memoryt space.. |
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| 00:43.41 | loopidity | craigevil, but video support dosnt seem to be working on windows with pidgin |
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| 00:46.13 | |BonZo| | craigevil: i tried installing chromium-browser and cromium-codecs-ffmpeg bup gecko-mediaplayer still doesn't work... |
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| 00:48.46 | abrotman | loopidity: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:50.11 | loopidity | abrotman, ii libc6 2.11.1 Embeded GNU C library :shared libraries |
| 00:50.23 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 00:50.25 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | time to get a correct libc6 |
| 00:51.18 | loopidity | by updating? |
| 00:54.02 | streuner | as a testing or unstable user? ;-) |
| 00:54.18 | streuner | (you should know the answer then) |
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| 00:55.56 | streuner | (apt-get dist-upgrade) |
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| 00:56.42 | ehc | can someone remind me the syntax for doing double commands like echo `basename pwd` but where pwd is the result of the pwd command? |
| 00:56.58 | streuner | loopidity: whats in your sources.list btw, testing/squezze or unstable/sid? |
| 00:57.23 | ehc | nvm, you escape the second ` like \` |
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| 01:04.54 | rking | ehc: Please use $()'s. They're made for nesting. |
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| 01:05.21 | rking | throws a whole box of `'s off a cliff. |
| 01:06.33 | ehc | rking: can you explain $() a tiny bit more, like give me an example |
| 01:07.14 | rking | ehc: echo $(basename $(pwd)) |
| 01:07.36 | rking | Sometimes I might use `'s for the outer layer: echo `basename $(pwd)` |
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| 01:08.42 | zcat[1] | so $(command) and `command` basically do the same thing? |
| 01:09.11 | rking | zcat[1]: Yes---the only consideration is if you're trying to be super-compatible with all POSIX-but-not-bash systems. |
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| 01:09.42 | zcat[1] | I've always used `` -- I need ti use $() more.. |
| 01:09.53 | rking | Like some old crufty Unix server that hasn't been updated since 1982 might not work with it |
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| 01:10.37 | rking | (this is evidenced in vim with syntax highlighting. If your bangpath is #!/bin/sh, it will give you error highlighting for $(), but if it's #!/bin/bash, it will come through clean. |
| 01:10.39 | rking | ) |
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| 01:15.02 | cire | is it normal that grub-pc replaces grub-common, and vice versa? |
| 01:15.15 | cire | grub-pc gets removed here, when dist-upgrading--- |
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| 01:28.59 | limariboe | hello there |
| 01:29.47 | limariboe | is there detail documentation for installing chilli hot spot on debian? |
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| 01:33.21 | macrobat | you mean "Chillispot 1.1.0 Released 2006-10-24" |
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| 01:40.49 | macrobat | bbl |
| 01:42.44 | Eagle20 | @seen Iraqi |
| 01:43.05 | Eagle20 | !seen Iraqi |
| 01:43.05 | dpkg | iraqi <~Iraqi@95.170.223.30> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 11h 30m 32s ago, saying: 'By GMT?'. |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | Eagle20: leave the bot alone |
| 01:45.01 | Eagle20 | okay |
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| 02:14.14 | Eagle20 | could i install debian 5.0.5 just using #1 dvd? i'm confused about this url http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 02:14.38 | Eagle20 | or i must be download all dvd? |
| 02:14.58 | dvs | Eagle20: no |
| 02:16.02 | Eagle20 | dvs, all dvd? oh boy, my bandwidth kill me. any trick and tips for me? |
| 02:16.04 | nevyn | Eagle20: the reccomended method is using a net-inst cd if you just want to get enough on the system to get going and apt working |
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| 02:16.21 | dvs | Eagle20: I said no, you don |
| 02:16.28 | dvs | t have to download them all |
| 02:17.55 | Eagle20 | dvs, thanks for your advice. ehm, i have think again to download debian. tbh, i never trying debian. many people says debian is ROCK. |
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| 02:18.24 | dvs | Eagle20: once everything is set up |
| 02:21.03 | Eagle20 | if i choose netinstall, oh my, maybe 2 years getting finished. my down just 20-45KB/s. i'm crying inside. oh god, please help me. |
| 02:21.29 | dvs | Eagle20: if download take a long time, get the DVD and be done with it. |
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| 02:22.38 | Eagle20 | one question dvs, debian 5.0.5 lenny have LTS look like ubuntu? |
| 02:22.56 | dvs | Eagle20: I've never used Ubuntu |
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| 02:25.56 | Eagle20 | thanks for your help, have a nice day. debian is just on my dream. maybe next year. wish me luck. |
| 02:26.02 | Eagle20 | over and out |
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| 02:26.27 | chovy | does anyone know why my debian box isn't pingable by hostname on my network? My other machines are. |
| 02:27.32 | k\t | chovy: add the correct line(s) to /etc/hosts |
| 02:27.55 | k\t | chovy: example of my config.: http://sprunge.us/VHbT |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | chovy: the other systems are ... ? |
| 02:28.14 | chovy | abrotman: mac and gentoo |
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| 02:28.24 | abrotman | chovy: and they're all using netbios names? |
| 02:28.26 | chovy | neither of which have modified hosts files |
| 02:28.35 | chovy | abrotman: that i don't know. |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | if you don't know how they're doing it, that's probably what they're doing |
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| 02:31.35 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:31.45 | chovy | ok |
| 02:32.03 | chovy | i am unfamiliar with netbios |
| 02:32.13 | chovy | i have a firewall using dhcp |
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| 02:32.46 | abrotman | you can probably install samba ... and also alter your nsswitch.conf |
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| 02:34.30 | chovy | ah |
| 02:34.35 | chovy | thanks |
| 02:34.46 | chovy | i have samba running on the gentoo box |
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| 02:47.39 | deStone | when using dig -- i'm getting differnt answers with these --- "dig ns1.domain.com domain.com mx" vs. "dig @ns1.domain.com domain.com mx" |
| 02:47.49 | deStone | the mx records are different |
| 02:48.16 | deStone | mxtoolbox.com shows the data from the answer with the @ |
| 02:48.22 | chovy | abrotman: if i ping my gentoo box i get a response: foo.gateway.2wire.net |
| 02:48.33 | chovy | same w/ mac |
| 02:48.49 | chovy | i think my debian box just isn't broadcasting it's name to the network. |
| 02:48.54 | jhutchins_lt | deStone: Multiple servers on rrdb. |
| 02:49.28 | jhutchins_lt | chovy: Wow. You really need to figure out how it's doing that. |
| 02:49.38 | jhutchins_lt | chovy: DNS and stuff are such a dark art. |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | chovy: you have to configure all the nmbd and smbd stuff ... it's not magically done |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | chovy: also, /etc/nsswitch.conf needs to be altered for you to do lookups |
| 02:50.40 | deStone | jhutchins_lt: please excuse my ignorance, what is rrdb? |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | chovy: either that, or it's mdns stuff |
| 02:51.41 | jhutchins_lt | Round Robin Dns ... Database? I think I may have got the wrong acronym, but distributed servers. |
| 02:51.58 | deStone | oh, ok ... |
| 02:52.47 | jhutchins_lt | So DNS 1 gets answer 1, DNS 2 gets answer 2... |
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| 02:58.20 | chovy | "Ubuntu is open source program" nice :) |
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| 03:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | rrdb properly is Round Robin DataBase, a system that rotates data through a fixed size of storage, so that there is alway N volume of data and no more. |
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| 03:01.25 | deStone | ok |
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| 03:01.41 | deStone | humm... i'm trying to understand what the difference between querys though |
| 03:01.58 | deStone | i mean, doesnt the @ mean to use the local ...? |
| 03:02.42 | jhutchins_lt | deStone: There are URL's that resolve to multiple ip's to distribute load. |
| 03:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | You may be dealing with that. |
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| 03:03.47 | jrgp | How can I make grub boot to a usb flash drive? (cdromless old computer with outdated bios) |
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| 03:05.50 | civillian | deStone, @ signifies that you want to specify a DNS server other than the system-configured DNS server |
| 03:06.25 | civillian | so your second query says 'ask ns1.domain.com for the mx record for domain.com' |
| 03:06.56 | deStone | ok |
| 03:06.59 | deStone | which makes sense |
| 03:07.25 | deStone | cause if i just do a dig domain.com i get a much different listing ... |
| 03:07.32 | deStone | cause its using MY nameservers |
| 03:07.37 | deStone | not the ones i've appointed to use... |
| 03:08.37 | Dewi | deStone: dig +trace tries to show you step by step... |
| 03:10.34 | civillian | deStone, your first query requests the IP of ns1.domain.com, then the MX record for domain.com - from your system-configured DNS server. So you'll see 2 sections that say 'Got answer'... |
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| 03:20.18 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
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| 03:52.43 | rking | You know how the default install brings a pazillion xorg servers? Is there a way to say, "Ahem, my server is xserver-xorg-video-xyz, I don't want the fifty others, please, kthx." |
| 03:54.46 | craigevil | rking: only install the xorg packages you need or remove the ones you don't need |
| 03:55.12 | rking | craigevil: Ahh, ok... that's simple. I thought they were all bundled under some master dependency-creating package. Got it. |
| 03:55.46 | craigevil | yes if you install "xorg" it pulls them all in, but you only need the ones your system requires |
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| 03:58.01 | craigevil | i have a total of 7 xserver-xorg-* packages and thats counting xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core |
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| 03:59.00 | r3c4ll | somebody has used Nagios? |
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| 03:59.27 | r3c4ll | first excuse my bad enlish... where i can (must in debian) declare(put) $ARGn$? |
| 03:59.38 | r3c4ll | i resources.cnf? |
| 03:59.52 | r3c4ll | or in ! after check_command? |
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| 04:05.21 | macrobat | r3c4ll: you can try in #nagios or maybe http://serverfault.com/ |
| 04:07.21 | r3c4ll | macrobat, nobody answer in #nagios, anyway thnks ;) |
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| 04:11.52 | civillian | r3c4ll, have you tried /etc/nagios3-plugins/config/*.cfg |
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| 04:19.53 | anisfarhana | hello |
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| 04:20.12 | anisfarhana | got a question about ssh banner , is it possible for me to do ssh banner like this ---> http://freeshells.mtveurope.org/logo_debian_shell_edited.png ? |
| 04:22.31 | r3c4ll | civillian, i was checking it ;) but it seem insecure vs resources.cfg |
| 04:22.41 | r3c4ll | thank you |
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| 04:25.07 | somethin115525 | if one was to create a ssh-key, and have it on both sides for passwordless login, how would one login without a password? |
| 04:27.51 | chovy | ssh-keygen |
| 04:28.09 | chovy | scp ./id.pub remotehost:~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 04:28.25 | chovy | then do the same in reverse |
| 04:28.44 | chovy | you should append the .pub to the authorized keys on the remote host. |
| 04:28.47 | something15525-e | its already authorized |
| 04:28.55 | something15525-e | do i just ssh blah@blah.blah.org? |
| 04:28.59 | chovy | yea |
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| 04:29.12 | something15525-e | arrgh then the package must not have gotten pushed yet |
| 04:29.19 | something15525-e | nvr mind thanks for the help chovy |
| 04:29.24 | chovy | sometimes it fails if the perms are wrong. |
| 04:29.40 | chovy | ls -l ~/.ss* |
| 04:29.44 | something15525-e | well its for admin usage, all the keys are in svn and pushed as a package to all servers |
| 04:29.47 | chovy | make sure it isn't 777 or something. |
| 04:30.13 | something15525-e | none of the files are 777 |
| 04:30.27 | chovy | ok |
| 04:30.33 | chovy | yeah, maybe it's not there. |
| 04:30.44 | chovy | i assume you can't login to verify |
| 04:31.04 | something15525-e | http://pastebin.com/W1rdYA1X |
| 04:31.08 | something15525-e | chovy: nope |
| 04:31.16 | something15525-e | those are the permissions |
| 04:32.51 | something15525-e | chovy: how do they look? |
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| 04:36.34 | something15525-e | chovy: ............lol |
| 04:37.00 | something15525-e | chovy: gotta go sry |
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| 04:47.08 | macrobat | anisfarhana: that is linuxlogo, i dont know if it is run or if it is pasted to /etc/motd.tail |
| 04:47.38 | anisfarhana | macrobat: is it possible for ssh banner ? |
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| 04:48.31 | macrobat | maybe |
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| 04:48.44 | macrobat | idk how the colors work |
| 04:49.28 | anisfarhana | macrobat: i just installed the linuxlogo , you are right , that is linux logo :) |
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| 04:54.16 | anisfarhana | macrobat: need to find a way how to import linuxlogo to ssh banner |
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| 04:55.08 | lmaowaffle | hello. i installed dvgrab in squeeze. how to go from here, to copy dv from camcorder via firewire? |
| 04:55.34 | lmaowaffle | I'm just using kernel installed via latest installer (only has what the system needs) Is that okay? |
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| 04:59.55 | macrobat | lmaowaffle: i guess the kernel is up to it, but you can grep -i the config in /boot for 1394 and firewire |
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| 05:00.15 | macrobat | i dont use firewire or dv myself |
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| 05:01.25 | Ghost1227 | i'm setting up a VM using qemu on my server, and grub doesn't work with the /dev/vdx scheme. i'm trying to setup syslinux, but i'm admittedly out of practice. can anyone lend a hand? |
| 05:02.30 | lmaowaffle | macrobat: hm, # IEEE 1394 (FireWire) support |
| 05:02.31 | lmaowaffle | # CONFIG_IEEE1394 is not set |
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| 05:03.21 | lmaowaffle | lsmod only shows: firewire_core firewire_sbp2,firewire_ohci |
| 05:03.29 | lmaowaffle | so i'm guessing that's only for storage devices? |
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| 05:04.41 | macrobat | "ieee1394 is superseded by the newer firewire-core driver" maybe you dont need it |
| 05:05.05 | macrobat | what happens when you plug the cable in? |
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| 05:07.25 | macrobat | europe hasnt woken yet |
| 05:07.31 | lmaowaffle | macrobat: http://paste2.org/p/898892 |
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| 05:11.58 | mshindo | libraries, and the source tree is split up into libs that are then linked into binaries. Any ideas? |
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| 06:20.53 | Ghost1227 | i'm setting up a VM using qemu on my server, and grub doesn't work with the /dev/vdx scheme. i'm trying to setup syslinux, but i'm admittedly out of practice. can anyone lend a hand? |
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| 06:31.03 | karme | Ghost1227: if you want to boot linux there is an interesting option: qemu can boot kernel+initrd directly => no need for grub |
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| 06:36.00 | Scuttle | hum...I have a machine with two network-interfaces, eth0 is a dhcp-configured one, eth1 is static. Right now only eth0 comes up automatically when I restart. I have to manually do 'ifup eth1'. What do I need to put in /etc/network/interfaces for eth1 to autostart? |
| 06:36.11 | Scuttle | current interfaces-file: http://pastebin.org/369557 |
| 06:36.47 | sweetpi | Scuttle: auto eth1 |
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| 06:37.24 | Scuttle | oh, that easy :D |
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| 06:38.05 | lmaowaffle | hello. on squeeze here: using iceweasel, my xerrors file is populated by many: (firefox-bin:23334): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead |
| 06:38.13 | lmaowaffle | is this a bug? |
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| 06:44.29 | Ghost1227 | karme: ? |
| 06:44.32 | Ghost1227 | karme: do tell |
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| 06:45.14 | sweetpi | lmaowaffle: its a known bug, but i thought that was fixed a while ago |
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| 06:55.35 | rue_mohr | so like.. sdcc depends on sdcc-libraries, which is a conflict for sdcc-libraries-nf which includes all the headers you need to DO anyhting with sdcc... so like... !?!?!?! |
| 06:55.37 | karme | Ghost1227: ? |
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| 06:56.40 | karme | Ghost1227: man qemu, look for -kernel -append and -initrd |
| 06:57.00 | rue_mohr | oh -nf is a fork |
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| 07:19.51 | achilles | hello guys, I have Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP73 Ethernet (rev a2), sometimes the interface stops responding till I shut it down and bring it up again, any clue ? |
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| 07:23.05 | Ghost1227 | syslinux is sorta working... it actually tries to boot finally, but now i'm getting this error: 'mount: mounting /dev/vda on /root failed: No such device' |
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| 07:36.45 | passwordoff | In installation runtime I get the error - "Debootstrap Error Failed to determine the codename for the release." Using official debian-kde.iso image |
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| 07:37.55 | passwordoff | Any solving? |
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| 07:51.24 | passwordoff | debootstrap |
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| 08:00.56 | rvsjoen | well, did you tell it the codename ? |
| 08:01.01 | rvsjoen | what command did you use |
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| 08:03.38 | unfancy | i am looking for a console app/script that does date conversion to the french revolutionary calendar |
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| 08:05.11 | HackeMate | i have connected magicmouse and the bluetooth apple keyboard and working, but i should repeat the hidd --connect steps to make it working every time i open session |
| 08:05.17 | passwordoff | rvsjoen: There is no command. Expert installation of debian-lenny. |
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| 08:06.03 | HackeMate | in the bluez-utils readme file says in the future keyb and mouse will reconnect automaticly, but i must invoke hidd as root |
| 08:06.25 | HackeMate | what it means, run hidd every time i open session or the fist time will be enough? |
| 08:06.39 | passwordoff | Some days ago I ask here this bug. But I was using the custom installer, and now I use the default one and get the same eroor |
| 08:06.41 | HackeMate | i guess i can add a scrip to the startup |
| 08:07.09 | passwordoff | *error |
| 08:08.19 | passwordoff | It happens on the stage of copying, after the hdd formating |
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| 08:19.16 | _0x47 | Hi there. I have a .deb that requests me to install "libsdl-ttf2.0". If I try "aptitude install libsdl-ttf2.0" it fails because the package is called "libsdl-ttf2.0-0" (plus the -0). This package is already installed... Additionally the try to installs reveils: "vcmi-bin: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (>= 2.0.9) which is a virtual package." So I guess the package is a virtual package which has no candidates. What to do here to make the .deb stop complaining? |
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| 08:27.32 | SauLus | hi, installing sun-java6-bin I get the error "Could not create the Java virtual machine. Error occurred during initialization of VM Could not reserve enough space for object heap Ignoring error generating classes.jsa". This even happens for 'java -client -Xshare:dump', which is in the postinstall scripts. I found reports from 2008 stating that this problem has been resolved but I get this very issue. Any ideas? |
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| 08:28.40 | SauLus | _0x47: you could use some --force at dpkg. Have a look at the man |
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| 08:30.17 | cybercobra | why does python2.6-libxml2 want to install python 2.5? |
| 08:30.33 | jetole | Does anyone know how I can setup apt on etch to get packages? It seems past it's end of life for package support but I know ubuntu has an archive package system so I can at least install the old packages on said OS. I assume debian has something similar |
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| 08:32.40 | _0x47 | SauLus: shure, it's not about how to install, but how to make this issue disappear. :) |
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| 08:33.07 | se7en | is there a way to install devian from a live cd? |
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| 08:33.15 | se7en | *debian |
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| 08:35.08 | jetole | found it: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 08:37.39 | _0x47 | SauLus or anyone: if I use dpkg-buildpackage, and have a build-dependency to libsdl-ttf2.0-dev, I guess it automatically makes libsdl-ttf2.0 (without the -0) as a dependendy. as this package does not exist, I guess this might be the problem. So why is there a -0 in the package and how do I tell dpkg-buildpackage or debian/control to use the package with the -0? |
| 08:37.42 | SauLus | _0x47: I think then this is worth a bug report |
| 08:38.16 | _0x47 | ok, any other idea regarding my last msg? |
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| 08:39.03 | SauLus | sorry, never played with dpkg-buildpackage nor do i have a full understanding how the number-scheme works |
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| 08:39.57 | _0x47 | k thanks anyway! :) hope someone else has an idea? there must be a solution as this is not the only package depending on libsdl-ttf2.0 |
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| 08:43.14 | se7en | could someone check that link for me please http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 08:44.11 | overmacht | se7en: The requested URL /debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-kde-CD-1.iso was not found on this server. |
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| 08:44.25 | se7en | thanks overmacht |
| 08:45.28 | petemc | se7en: you'll want 5.0.5 |
| 08:46.01 | se7en | jo the link from the main site is still pointing to 5.04 |
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| 08:46.06 | se7en | thats way |
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| 08:46.50 | petemc | that link is broken |
| 08:48.45 | cybercobra | why does python2.6-libxml2 want to install python 2.5? |
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| 08:55.38 | alcohol | mornin' people |
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| 08:58.11 | cybercobra | alcohol: hair of the dog, eh? |
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| 09:07.45 | cybercobra | why does python2.6-libxml2 want to install python 2.5? |
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| 09:12.37 | unixp_ | do u know the standard pw and username for the first phpmyadmin login? |
| 09:13.50 | se7en | is there skype for debian 5? what repros do i need to install it via apt? |
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| 09:16.16 | lamah | debian 6.0 squeeze, release date? |
| 09:16.36 | bzed | !wir |
| 09:16.37 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 09:16.42 | cafaro | not yet determined |
| 09:17.07 | lamah | cafaro: why? |
| 09:17.24 | bzed | !tell lamah about siyh |
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| 09:17.42 | cafaro | idk, I'm not a dev ;) |
| 09:18.04 | lamah | siyh?! |
| 09:18.29 | karme | !siyh |
| 09:18.29 | dpkg | siyh is probably Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 09:18.35 | bzed | lamah: it will be released when it is ready to be released. as we I just don't have a freshly killed animal here I could use to read the date from, I don't know. |
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| 09:19.14 | sveajobb | Hi, did you guys just notice debian/etch went missing the other day? |
| 09:19.35 | sveajobb | my apt-get update stopped working and all different sources I've been looking at seems to be missing |
| 09:19.36 | petemc | sveajobb: /topic |
| 09:19.41 | sveajobb | :O |
| 09:21.10 | karme | !tell sveajobb about etch sources.list |
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| 09:22.09 | alcohol | cybercobra: dude, what? |
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| 09:24.04 | sveajobb | www:/# sshd --version |
| 09:24.04 | sveajobb | sshd: /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /lib/libcrypto.so.6) |
| 09:24.16 | sveajobb | what could possibly have happened during the night? |
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| 09:26.06 | cantoma | guys, i have copied the content of a 1.5TB disk (FAT32) to another equal size but (EXT3). In FAT32 disk I have now 73G of disk space but in EXT3 I have 8.3G. How is this possible if data is the same ?? |
| 09:26.27 | cybercobra | alcohol: pun on your username :) |
| 09:27.09 | petemc | cantoma: reserved space for root? |
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| 09:27.49 | alcohol | cybercobra: it's too early man. =( |
| 09:27.56 | {g} | Good Morning Debian! When mounting a folder via sshfs, one gets completely nonsense file owners, because the remote machine transfers IDs and the local machine matches it to local users, right? Is there a way to map users? |
| 09:27.58 | cantoma | petemc, you mean my fdisk has researved 60GB for an user? |
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| 09:28.12 | alcohol | {g}: negative. |
| 09:28.28 | petemc | cantoma: no, when you create an ext3 fs it reserves space for root by default, you can change this with tune2fs |
| 09:28.33 | cybercobra | why the heck does python2.6-libxml2 want to install python 2.5? |
| 09:28.39 | sveajobb | Anyone familiar with my error-message? It just came up all of a sudden during the night. 1) why? 2) how do I fix it? |
| 09:28.52 | alcohol | cybercobra: probably listed as a dependancy ? |
| 09:29.05 | cantoma | petemc, didn't know hmmmm |
| 09:29.30 | alcohol | sveajobb: etch support is over. read topic, upgrade to lenny. |
| 09:30.05 | sveajobb | alcohol, yeah I get it, but I haven't touched aptitude during the night. all of a sudden my ssh stopped working due to that error message |
| 09:30.23 | alcohol | sveajobb: eh what? your ssh stopped working? |
| 09:31.01 | sveajobb | alcohol, yeah.. I have a running process which works (thank god) but I cannot use ssh (client) or even check the version of sshd |
| 09:31.10 | cybercobra | alcohol: but it's the 2.*6* version; why would it dep on py 2.*5* |
| 09:31.27 | alcohol | cybercobra: version numbers can be irrelevant sometimes |
| 09:31.47 | {g} | Strange. I mounted a folder via sshfs. Now i cannot touch the files. I get permission denied. But I can edit them. Which changes the times as well. |
| 09:31.50 | alcohol | sveajobb: dunno, lemme switch screen. I'm on an etch dev server. but our sshd seems to work fine I think. |
| 09:32.29 | alcohol | meh |
| 09:32.42 | alcohol | I take that back. our sshd is kinda dodgy. it works, but it throws warnings :') |
| 09:32.46 | sveajobb | alcohol, it happened to two servers, on different separate nets. could I've been hacked? :) or is it some weird result of that |
| 09:32.53 | alcohol | lots of messed up host key files |
| 09:33.08 | sveajobb | alcohol, can you run sshd --version without problem? |
| 09:33.12 | alcohol | sveajobb: not sure mate. but I'd simply suggest upgrading to lenny. it's worth it regardless |
| 09:33.22 | alcohol | sveajobb: yes, without problems. but it returns nothing :') |
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| 09:33.38 | sveajobb | alcohol, do I dare to do it on a running live server? |
| 09:33.49 | alcohol | all I get is Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key & Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 09:33.50 | sveajobb | alcohol, on vacation and no physical access to the server |
| 09:34.04 | sveajobb | alcohol, hmm. ok. I get sshd: /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /lib/libcrypto.so.6) |
| 09:34.10 | sveajobb | alcohol, which is a bit alarming |
| 09:34.11 | alcohol | sveajobb: erm. I would probably, but I'm a gigantic idiot =D |
| 09:34.16 | sveajobb | :D |
| 09:34.26 | alcohol | and data center is a 5 minute drive for me |
| 09:34.41 | alcohol | so if everything fails I can go in and fix it |
| 09:34.41 | anisfarhana | drives to data center |
| 09:34.55 | sveajobb | :) |
| 09:35.02 | rvsjoen | why would you not dare to run the current stable ? |
| 09:35.11 | alcohol | sveajobb: I usually just act under the assumption "it's dabian, it shall not fail me" |
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| 09:35.22 | alcohol | rvsjoen: no, he needs to do an upgrade. |
| 09:35.28 | sveajobb | alcohol, I'm just afraid I got hacked. |
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| 09:35.32 | alcohol | rvsjoen: production server, from etch to lenny |
| 09:35.36 | masterkorp | hello |
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| 09:35.38 | alcohol | sveajobb: sincerely doubt that |
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| 09:35.49 | alcohol | sveajobb: you could try getting the latest sshd for etch from backports |
| 09:36.02 | BiGViC | any recomendations for a simple channel scanner for Totem? |
| 09:36.06 | alcohol | sveajobb: that repo should still be up I imagine |
| 09:36.11 | masterkorp | i can't put my espson stylus color 1520 working |
| 09:36.12 | rvsjoen | with that error i'd look into glibc |
| 09:36.35 | alcohol | rvsjoen: well I figured the latest version of opensshd would get all required libs too |
| 09:36.59 | rvsjoen | also check your package manager logs, to see if anything changed |
| 09:38.26 | masterkorp | the cups doesn't detect the plotter |
| 09:38.34 | masterkorp | can anyone help me? |
| 09:39.08 | alcohol | #cups might |
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| 09:42.42 | masterkorp | alchool but maybe there is a special trick for debian |
| 09:43.00 | masterkorp | how i run printer detect in debian? |
| 09:43.34 | BiGViC | any simple channel scanners for debian that will create a channel.conf? I tried w_scan but that didn't work out for me :-S |
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| 09:43.50 | liable | masterkorp: either through your DM menu, or 127.0.0.1:631 in a browser |
| 09:44.06 | liable | s/DM/DE/ |
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| 09:46.59 | masterkorp | liable, now it ask me for a user and password in the browser |
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| 09:47.13 | liable | masterkorp: give it roots |
| 09:47.19 | masterkorp | thnaks |
| 09:47.30 | liable | yw |
| 09:47.58 | masterkorp | this web-service is avaliable for external calls |
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| 09:48.15 | liable | no, its on loopback, local only |
| 09:48.17 | masterkorp | soo i can call for my laptop? |
| 09:48.22 | masterkorp | ok thnaks |
| 09:48.35 | liable | you can share the printer |
| 09:48.36 | masterkorp | i will use ssh and connect to them :) |
| 09:48.59 | masterkorp | how can i share it in the local network? |
| 09:49.01 | liable | via samba, or if its a ipp printer, over the lan |
| 09:49.18 | liable | does it have an ethernet port? |
| 09:49.43 | masterkorp | no, it is a plotter thta uses parallel port |
| 09:49.49 | liable | hah, ok |
| 09:50.02 | liable | samba is the only way, which can be a pain to set up |
| 09:50.21 | masterkorp | ok, can you point me to some doc? |
| 09:50.27 | liable | use ssh :) |
| 09:50.40 | liable | i havent done it for a long time, you'd have to google |
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| 09:51.14 | masterkorp | but the users of this don't know how to use ssh |
| 09:51.33 | masterkorp | ok thank you very much again liable |
| 09:51.41 | liable | no problem |
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| 09:57.45 | russian_ulysses | how could I tell dosfslabel to forget about my once-was-connected usb stick? This caused dosfslabel to fail and not permitting me to upgrade linux-base. I have read there's way to 'clean cache' of dosfslabel, but no specific instructions. |
| 09:58.36 | barraponto | hi there guys, a friend just broke up his debian installation badly, i thought of removing most of the packages and reinstalling... is there way to do that? |
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| 09:58.39 | daniel | hey guys I got a problem please help me to solve this --> alsamixer:function snd_ctl_open failed for default:no such file or directory |
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| 09:59.24 | liable | !tell barraponto -about reinstall |
| 09:59.29 | sveajobb | damn... my imap stopped working |
| 10:00.10 | barraponto | liable: what would it reinstall? the packages currently installed? |
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| 10:00.46 | liable | yep |
| 10:00.57 | liable | russian_ulysses: try setting a blank label? |
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| 10:01.36 | russian_ulysses | liable not sure what you mean. label of what and where can I set it? |
| 10:02.03 | liable | russian_ulysses: paste the actual error from dpkg, might make it a bit easier to see whats going on |
| 10:02.09 | liable | use a pastebot |
| 10:02.10 | barraponto | liable: but i don't want that. he broke his install through installing and removing packages on his own... |
| 10:02.32 | liable | barraponto: what exactly do you want to do then? |
| 10:02.45 | barraponto | liable: uninstall every package that is not a core package |
| 10:02.59 | barraponto | liable: then install kde4 again |
| 10:03.38 | liable | barraponto: probably easier to reinstall |
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| 10:04.36 | liable | barraponto: how exactly has he broken it? |
| 10:05.12 | daniel | hey guys I got a problem please help me to solve this --> alsamixer:function snd_ctl_open failed for default:no such file or directory |
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| 10:05.55 | russian_ulysses | liable is there a way I can search paste.debian.net for paste by username? |
| 10:06.08 | liable | russian_ulysses: i dont know |
| 10:07.40 | russian_ulysses | liable I pasted output yersterday, but forgot link ( Essentially, output is almost same as in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580467: "...Logical sector size (20487 bytes) is not a multiple of the physical sector size..." |
| 10:08.35 | russian_ulysses | but I think, there were no 'Use of unitialized value' strings |
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| 10:12.33 | ShishKabab | Hi! Is it normal that when you use rsync's --exclude-from option, the exclude list file gets messed up (the result is a binary mess)? |
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| 10:13.08 | liable | russian_ulysses: did you try purging dosfslabel like the bug report said? |
| 10:13.26 | russian_ulysses | liable how can I purge it? |
| 10:13.36 | liable | russian_ulysses: apti purge |
| 10:13.40 | liable | aptitude |
| 10:13.40 | russian_ulysses | via dpkg? |
| 10:13.48 | liable | or dpkg, yes |
| 10:13.54 | russian_ulysses | liable ok, I see |
| 10:14.01 | russian_ulysses | will try it, thank you |
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| 10:14.38 | liable | russian_ulysses: you may need to force it due depends, then reinstall it manually with dpkg |
| 10:15.30 | liable | ShishKabab: that doesnt sound a very useful option if its supposed to do that :) |
| 10:15.56 | sveajobb | lol, i cannot perform dist-upgrade on my router :) not enough ram |
| 10:16.15 | liable | fun |
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| 10:18.17 | sveajobb | not so much actually :) |
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| 10:18.34 | ShishKabab | liable: Well, it does exclude the files listed correctly, and the files synched are transfered correctly (both the exclude list and the target dir ore on a USB drive), but somehow that one file is messed up. |
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| 10:19.21 | liable | ShishKabab: checked for bugs? sounds odd, rsync is pretty stable usually |
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| 10:19.27 | Lantizia | I take it /etc/php5/conf.d/* is read at the beginning of any PHP instance? be is apache2 / cgi / cli ? |
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| 10:19.32 | Lantizia | *be it |
| 10:19.36 | {g} | Hey Debian! Is there a reason that for mounting to /some/mount/point there must be a directory "point"? wouldnt it make more sense to "create" it when mounting and remove it when unmounting? |
| 10:19.54 | lindi- | {g}: that's a linux limitation |
| 10:20.24 | Bert_2 | How can I check which files are installed by a package from the command line ? |
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| 10:20.31 | petemc | Bert_2: dpkg -L |
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| 10:20.34 | {g} | lindi-: interesting. why? |
| 10:20.37 | Bert_2 | petemc: thx |
| 10:20.43 | petemc | s/linux/unix/ |
| 10:20.55 | lindi- | {g}: debian gnu/hurd has -c option that creates the mount point if it does not exist |
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| 10:21.00 | ShishKabab | liable: Not yet, because it might be normal behaviour. The binary mess may be some kind of compiled, gzipped regex. But I'll check for bugs. |
| 10:21.25 | lindi- | {g}: not sure |
| 10:21.42 | lindi- | {g}: probably because you can easily create it yourself |
| 10:21.43 | liable | ShishKabab: if it was normal, i guess it would be in the docs somewhere |
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| 10:22.26 | {g} | lindi-: ok :) |
| 10:22.31 | {g} | lindi-: you use hurd? |
| 10:22.50 | lindi- | {g}: not actively |
| 10:23.10 | lindi- | {g}: but you didn't specify that you use linux :) |
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| 10:26.10 | barraponto | liable: he says he broke it trying to install k3b. it's probably because i never had the time to set up atp-pinning before he started messing with packages |
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| 10:27.11 | Hinata | i wont to compile program and i get this err:http://dpaste.com/hold/213560/ |
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| 10:27.18 | liable | barraponto: he added testing sources or something? |
| 10:27.24 | lindi- | Hinata: what program? |
| 10:27.53 | Hinata | lindi-, my wireless driver |
| 10:27.54 | barraponto | liable: he didn't add any repo, i did (just to install kde4) |
| 10:28.16 | liable | barraponto: didnt kde4 go into backports? |
| 10:28.49 | liable | pinning kde4, you might as well just use testing.. |
| 10:29.09 | liable | unless its in backports |
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| 10:30.24 | barraponto | liable: i just used testing. nothing else |
| 10:30.29 | lindi- | Hinata: uname -r? |
| 10:30.41 | Bert_2 | Say, is etch no longer supported |
| 10:30.50 | liable | nope |
| 10:30.53 | Bert_2 | because my update mirrors seem to no longer have etch packages |
| 10:31.00 | petemc | Bert_2: correct, its not |
| 10:31.02 | liable | !oldstable |
| 10:31.03 | dpkg | methinks oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) was oldstable. Consider upgrading your systems to a supported release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 10:31.07 | Hinata | lindi-, 2.6.33.5 |
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| 10:31.37 | Bert_2 | liable: I'm not really a fan of updating an important server |
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| 10:31.57 | liable | Bert_2: yeah, much better to have it rooted from an old bug ;) |
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| 10:33.15 | lindi- | Hinata: grep LINUX_VE /usr/include/linux/version.h ? |
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| 10:34.06 | Hinata | lindi-, #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132640 |
| 10:35.50 | barraponto | liable: how do i know whether kde is in backports? |
| 10:35.52 | lindi- | Hinata: don't understand then |
| 10:36.08 | lindi- | Hinata: the driver is also non-free so I can't distribute fixes for it |
| 10:36.11 | barraponto | liable: backports website isn't read-friendly |
| 10:36.25 | liable | barraponto: i had a quick look, doesnt appear to be. (i just googled) |
| 10:37.47 | Hinata | lindi-, im sory i cant understand can you tell me more honey? |
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| 10:38.27 | liable | oh wait, barraponto maybe it is.. |
| 10:38.32 | lindi- | Hinata: i can't help you sorry |
| 10:39.26 | Hinata | thanks |
| 10:39.30 | Hinata | thanks lindi- |
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| 10:46.01 | BiGViC | any simple channel scanners for debian that will create a channel.conf? |
| 10:46.22 | liable | BiGViC: channels for what? |
| 10:46.26 | BiGViC | Lenny*^^ |
| 10:46.36 | BiGViC | liable: for totem to watch tv |
| 10:46.49 | liable | doesnt it have that functionality? |
| 10:47.02 | passwordoff | ls |
| 10:47.07 | liable | mv |
| 10:47.36 | BiGViC | liable: no it doesn't not on lenny at least... newer version have that function build in? |
| 10:47.56 | passwordoff | su |
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| 10:48.04 | liable | BiGViC: last time i played with a tv card, i used mplayer and tvtime, and it scanned for me |
| 10:48.16 | passwordoff | stands for channel op |
| 10:48.41 | liable | who the hell are you? :P |
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| 10:50.24 | liable | BiGViC: i'm sure totem has some plugin or something for it.. |
| 10:51.11 | BiGViC | liable: I will try to look around haven't been sucessful they recommend in their site to use w_scan but that didn't work out too well for me |
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| 10:55.50 | liable | BiGViC: what went wrong with w_scan? |
| 10:56.51 | BiGViC | it just didn't work :-S |
| 10:57.07 | BiGViC | plus is not in the lenny backports so I rather not even use it |
| 10:57.18 | liable | you prolly fed it the wrong options :P |
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| 10:57.22 | liable | try tvtime |
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| 10:58.10 | BiGViC | yes I probabaly did little documentation and it was hard to find help :( |
| 10:58.18 | BiGViC | myself being a linux newb and all |
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| 10:59.09 | zero_ | Hi, im using squeeze, is there a way to use gdm instead of gdm3? |
| 10:59.41 | lindi- | zero_: aptitude remove gdm3 ; aptitude install gdm |
| 11:00.26 | zero_ | lindi-: apt-get install gdm removes gnome-desktop-environment along with LOTS of packages from gnome such as ekiga, file-roller etc... |
| 11:00.32 | zero_ | i dont want that to happen |
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| 11:02.03 | lindi- | zero_: why not? |
| 11:02.05 | hendry | can anyone recommend a repair USB image that can boot into a Debian configured with LVM disks? |
| 11:02.21 | sylar | anyone know which encryption tool, and options are the best now? |
| 11:02.38 | zero_ | lindi-: i want to keep all the programs that come with gnome by default |
| 11:02.46 | lindi- | hendry: you can build your own debian livecd/usb-stick with exactly the packages you want with http://live-helper.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-helper |
| 11:02.47 | rozie | hello. what rss reader would you recommend for LXDE? It has to be light - pretty old hardware (1GHz 1GB RAM). I like akregator (look && feel), but it's pretty heavy now (testing) |
| 11:03.00 | lindi- | zero_: but installing gdm will bring them back? |
| 11:03.25 | abrotman | zero_: aptitude install gdm .. what does that do? |
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| 11:03.47 | abrotman | zero_: or aptitude install gdm gdm3- |
| 11:04.00 | zero_ | abrotman: asks me to remove gdm3 and gnome-desktop-environment |
| 11:04.01 | hendry | lindi-: looking for something ready made, with an easy repair option. not clear to me if debian live builds an image with grub for example. |
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| 11:06.17 | zero_ | lindi-: i don't know if installing gdm will bring them back |
| 11:06.22 | abrotman | zero_: moment |
| 11:06.32 | zero_ | abrotman: ok |
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| 11:06.38 | abrotman | squeeze right? |
| 11:06.43 | zero_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 11:06.59 | abrotman | zero_: if you install gdm, it should conflict with gdm3 and keep gnome-desktop-environment |
| 11:07.09 | amkrankruleuen | Hi. |
| 11:07.13 | abrotman | although .. the depends do look mildly goofy |
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| 11:08.02 | zero_ | abrotman: when i try to install gdm it asks me to remove gdm3 along with gnome-desktop-environment... thats what i worry about |
| 11:08.20 | abrotman | zero_: is fast-user-switch-applet installed ? |
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| 11:08.44 | zero_ | abrotman: i dont know |
| 11:08.52 | abrotman | zero_: if you hit 'n', does it give you the next option of installing gdm and gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 11:09.17 | abrotman | zero_: aptitude install gdm fast-user-switch-applet gdm3- ? |
| 11:09.22 | cybercobra | I have a .deb file; how do I get its deps installed automatically? |
| 11:09.26 | liable | isnt gnome-desktop-environment just the meta package anyway? |
| 11:09.29 | kripz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:09.49 | abrotman | liable: i think he said it's trying to remove other stuff also |
| 11:09.51 | lindi- | zero_: then install gdm first? |
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| 11:10.02 | abrotman | cybercobra: dpkg -i foo.deb && aptitude -f install |
| 11:10.08 | liable | cybercobra: how many depends does it have |
| 11:10.10 | lindi- | hendry: just add "grub" to the the list of packages you want to have included |
| 11:10.12 | zero_ | abrotman: it says it will install fast-user-switch-applet |
| 11:10.17 | lindi- | hendry: there's also a "rescue" package list |
| 11:10.19 | liable | he would have to force it |
| 11:10.24 | cybercobra | liable: several |
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| 11:10.44 | liable | --force-depends then apt-get -f |
| 11:10.52 | zero_ | lindi-: it wont let me unless i remove gnome-desktop-environment |
| 11:10.53 | abrotman | why? |
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| 11:11.01 | abrotman | liable: you don't have to force it at all |
| 11:11.06 | liable | because its depends arent satisfied? |
| 11:11.12 | lindi- | zero_: installing causes it to remove stuff? |
| 11:11.17 | abrotman | liable: it will work |
| 11:11.20 | zero_ | lindi-: yes |
| 11:11.26 | liable | i must be going mad then |
| 11:11.36 | lindi- | zero_: probably too strict dependency then hmm |
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| 11:11.38 | abrotman | zero_: put `aptitude install gdm fast-user-switch-appet gdm3-' in a pastebin |
| 11:11.52 | zero_ | abrotman: roger |
| 11:12.15 | abrotman | the depends are "gdm3 | fast-user-switch-applet, gdm3 | gdm" |
| 11:12.47 | liable | thats odd |
| 11:12.53 | abrotman | i agree |
| 11:13.20 | zero_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/Yu5vUwJD |
| 11:13.33 | cybercobra | abrotman: er, that didn't work. dpkg complains deps aren't satisfied |
| 11:13.42 | liable | gloats |
| 11:13.51 | abrotman | cybercobra: now type `aptitude -f install` |
| 11:13.52 | liable | --force-depends |
| 11:13.56 | abrotman | you don't have to do that |
| 11:14.05 | liable | oh you cheat |
| 11:14.06 | abrotman | zero_: seems like what you want right ? |
| 11:14.19 | abrotman | liable: and --force isn't cheating? |
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| 11:14.37 | zero_ | abrotman: mmm yes but what happened?? i dont understand |
| 11:14.38 | liable | of course not! |
| 11:15.13 | liable | abrotman: aptitude wont install that deb though will it? |
| 11:15.19 | abrotman | zero_: the "gdm3-" means that oyu want to remove it .. but you're also installing gdm/fast-user-switch-applet at the same time, thus satisfying the dependecies |
| 11:15.19 | liable | he'll have to run that again |
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| 11:15.40 | abrotman | liable: no he won't .. you just hit 'n' at the first one when it tries to remove your .deb, then the next one usually installs the deps |
| 11:15.50 | liable | ive never tried it that way round, and it doesnt seem correct |
| 11:16.02 | zero_ | abrotman: so the reason it wanted to remove all the gnome stuff was because i didnt have the fast-user thing? |
| 11:16.07 | liable | but i havent done it with aptitude before either |
| 11:16.09 | abrotman | right .. because --force-depends is sooo much better :) |
| 11:16.13 | steven_ | I have a few etch xen hosts running etch guests, whats the process for upgrading the etch guests, same as a standard host ? or is there anything to watch out for with Xen ? |
| 11:16.31 | liable | its been a fucking long time since ive actually had to do it :P |
| 11:16.41 | abrotman | zero_: basically .. you have to have ((gdm AND fast-user-switch-agent) OR gdm3) |
| 11:17.01 | zero_ | abrotman: Ohhh!, ok. Thank you very much |
| 11:17.19 | abrotman | zero_: enjoy |
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| 11:18.31 | Guthur | Has anyone noticed greyed out pages in ice weasel after recent testing updates? |
| 11:18.43 | Guthur | Maybe it's more a FF issue though |
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| 11:20.09 | streuner | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 11:20.10 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
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| 11:21.31 | streuner | Guthur: well, iam running the same version - no problem till now. Did you look at BTS? |
| 11:22.08 | Guthur | streuner: It was fine last night for me as well, I'll give BTS a look |
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| 11:22.33 | Guthur | If I can scroll the page it displays fine |
| 11:22.57 | Guthur | Actually I'm just thinking that maybe the fact it is in Iceweasel is a coincidence |
| 11:23.11 | Guthur | It was an update to fglrx last night |
| 11:23.26 | streuner | .oO (fglrx) |
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| 11:37.34 | mns | how do I get wicd to automatically connect to a network if it gets disconnected ? I have it set in the preferences for automatic reconnection, yet it does not do so. |
| 11:37.42 | mns | is there something else that I am overlooking |
| 11:38.02 | liable | black magic in those sorts of apps :) |
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| 11:39.13 | liable | its python, so no doubt you get it to be verbose, but whther you can parse the output, or it has logging ability, i dunno |
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| 11:40.18 | p0g0 | mns: do you know if the wifi link get's re-associated, or that your interface doesn't get re-initialized after the wifi links is broken? |
| 11:40.44 | liable | pokes p0g0 |
| 11:40.50 | liable | gday mate |
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| 11:41.56 | p0g0 | hey liable... |
| 11:41.59 | abrotman | mns: that works for me |
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| 11:43.47 | hendry | lindi-: darn build does not seem to work http://live-helper.debian.net/build/20100701.044310.079378731/ |
| 11:44.03 | hendry | lindi-: there should be debian rescue images already built, shouldn't there? |
| 11:46.25 | Argafal | abrotman: once again thanks for the hint to dban. i got myself a deicated machine and run it, it took a total of 7hours per pass and worked just perfectly. |
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| 11:46.36 | Argafal | s/deicated/dedicated/ |
| 11:46.50 | abrotman | Argafal: glad to hear it .. must have been a large drive |
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| 11:47.11 | mns | p0g0: it does not re-associate with the wireless router. Last night when I went to sleep, wicd said it was connected to the wireless network and I had pidgin up and running on my laptop. This morning when I woke up, pidgin had me offline, and wicd showed that there was no connection. I had to manually click on the connect button. I have my home wireless network setup for "Automatically connect to this network" |
| 11:47.27 | Argafal | jelly: you were involved in the discussion as well, so thanks to you too. in case you were curious about the final outcome: DBAN won, dd_rescue und badblocks had trouble writing to wdrives with broken sectors. |
| 11:47.36 | Argafal | abrotman: yeah, about a terabyte. |
| 11:47.50 | Argafal | abrotman: will be sent to Seagate now, let's see what they do about it. |
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| 11:50.28 | abrotman | Argafal: send you a brand new one .. and trash the one you sent :) |
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| 11:52.34 | p0g0 | mns: I'd suggest logging-assuming that you are using wpa2, you should be able to log the wpa_supplicant negotiation, that would tell you if the failure was in the wireless link, or the security negotiation, or if both of those are good, it's likely a wicd-level issue. Read the man pages for hostapd and wpa-supplicant to see how to set up and interprate the logs. Good luck, I'm off to greet the dawn. |
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| 11:53.41 | Studiosus_ | Are there any restrictions on what mail server one can use for posting to Debian lists? For example, will debian-user list accept email from yandex.ru? |
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| 11:55.18 | mns | p0g0: thanks |
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| 11:56.15 | liable | Studiosus_: do you have problems with that domain elsewhere? |
| 11:56.28 | liable | Studiosus_: its probably been greylisted at least |
| 11:56.53 | liable | so if you expect the mail to turn up instantly, it probably wont |
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| 12:07.15 | Guthur | oh I think the greyed out display is the fglrx after all just noticed it happening in Evolution |
| 12:07.25 | Guthur | How frightfully inconvenient |
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| 12:12.30 | Kano | hi, why is is kbluetooth not in squeeze? |
| 12:12.48 | abrotman | dpkg: why is kbluetooth not in testing |
| 12:12.48 | dpkg | kbluetooth is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=kbluetooth |
| 12:12.59 | liable | damn my slow fingers.. |
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| 12:13.32 | liable | hmm, they moved that to a debian.org machine.. |
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| 12:14.27 | Kano | well is there a timeframe when it will be in squeeze, it was in lenny... |
| 12:14.45 | liable | when whatever bug stopping it is fixed.. |
| 12:15.04 | Kano | who uses kfreebsd? |
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| 12:16.33 | abrotman | Kano: even though you may not, that doesn't mean we should ignore it |
| 12:16.44 | sanderj | What could be the reason for this error?: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 12:18.27 | dsl468 | Why does Debian i386 ask for cmov which is an i686 feature at boot? |
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| 12:19.02 | proc | re there some unofficial xorg packages for stable? I need a newer version for a graphics driver |
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| 12:22.51 | abrotman | proc: for which card? |
| 12:23.01 | proc | abrotman, intel gm45 chipset |
| 12:23.26 | proc | intellinuxgraphics.org needs at least xorg version 1.6 |
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| 12:23.35 | abrotman | proc: there is backports.org, but i don't think it has that version |
| 12:24.03 | proc | well |
| 12:24.04 | abrotman | dsl468: does it cause it to fail to boot? |
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| 12:24.24 | proc | I would update to sid, but that failed to me because of udev, which needs a new kernel |
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| 12:25.11 | mguy | dsl468: i386 Debian doesn't run on an 80386 |
| 12:25.28 | abrotman | but it does run on a 486 |
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| 12:25.37 | abrotman | proc: try squeeze instead |
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| 12:26.13 | mguy | proc: Did you reboot using the newly installed kernel |
| 12:26.37 | proc | mguy, I didn't install a new kernel because apt was broken and I was too lazy for compiling ;) |
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| 12:34.52 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:34.52 | dpkg | <toggle> by the way I don't have man installed.. |
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| 12:35.16 | dvs | heh |
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| 12:39.37 | marisn | is it safe to visit debianadmin.com? or that really is an spyware site? |
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| 12:40.33 | abrotman | !forum |
| 12:40.34 | dpkg | [forums] http://forums.debian.net/ , http://www.debianhelp.org/ , http://www.debianplanet.org/ , http://www.debianforums.org/ (basically dead) |
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| 12:58.44 | abrotman | marisn: i tihnk the better one is debian-administration.org |
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| 13:01.32 | marisn | abrotman: tnx |
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| 13:02.34 | zloy | hello guys |
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| 13:02.54 | zloy | can anybody tell me where can I dowload init and rc system of the Debian system? |
| 13:03.05 | sveajobb | anyone using dspam / postfix on etch and upgraded to lenny just to notice EVERYTHING stopped working? |
| 13:03.09 | _Lucretia_ | is there a way to go from apt-get source <pkg> to get the source patched and packaged into a source tar? or just patched? |
| 13:03.10 | zloy | and where can I find source codes for it? |
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| 13:03.31 | _Lucretia_ | I'm wanting to build a toolchain for maemo, but just want the final source archives |
| 13:04.30 | abrotman | zloy: packages.debian.org has lots of packages and source |
| 13:04.40 | abrotman | _Lucretia_: wouldn't it be better to ask #maemo ? |
| 13:05.07 | _Lucretia_ | I'm getting no help there |
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| 13:05.11 | zloy | abrotman: could you please tell me in which catalog? |
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| 13:05.51 | _Lucretia_ | abrotman: what I'm after is a command that will extract the source and apply the patches, I can then tar up the final source and use that externally |
| 13:05.56 | _Lucretia_ | to scratcbox |
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| 13:07.04 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:07.19 | abrotman | _Lucretia_: apt-get source does that |
| 13:07.28 | abrotman | zloy: you'd have to be mopre descriptive |
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| 13:07.37 | _Lucretia_ | abrotman: ls glibc-2.5.1/ |
| 13:07.37 | _Lucretia_ | debian glibc-libidn-2.5.tar.bz2 glibc-ports-2007q3.tar.bz2 |
| 13:07.37 | _Lucretia_ | glibc-2.5.tar.bz2 glibc-linuxthreads-2.5.tar.bz2 prep.sh |
| 13:07.54 | zloy | abrotman: I want to download init system and rc scripts |
| 13:08.04 | _Lucretia_ | abrotman: it did apply the patches for the kernel source |
| 13:08.21 | zloy | abrotman: unfortunately, I don't know in which package it is collected |
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| 13:10.01 | nkuttler | zloy: many packages come with their own rc scripts.. |
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| 13:10.54 | TheAvatar | If I need to connect to a pptpd from debian, what package would you recommend? And I would need something that supports "nailed up"/persistant connection, so in case the connection drop, it should instantly try to reconnect. |
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| 13:14.12 | zloy | nkuttler: I need base scripts |
| 13:14.15 | _Lucretia_ | abrotman: no matter think i worked it out, under scratchbox and inside the glibc-2.5.1, fakeroot debian/rules patch |
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| 13:16.46 | julien_BLUG | Hello there, I would like to use apt-get or aptitude to install a package while ignoring one of the dependencies, for example: |
| 13:17.02 | julien_BLUG | "apt-get install foo --ignore-dep bar", any idea? |
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| 13:18.14 | ootput | JulienBussi: bandwidth/diskspace constraints? |
| 13:18.41 | ootput | you can probably get away with it by using apt-get, as it is apt-get |
| 13:19.02 | JulienBussi | ootput: I think you're speaking to julien_BLUG |
| 13:19.14 | ootput | ah, so I am |
| 13:19.22 | ootput | julien_BLUG: ^^ |
| 13:19.28 | julien_BLUG | ootput, local mirror not connected to the Internet with missing packages due to lack of disk space |
| 13:19.45 | julien_BLUG | ootput, (on the mirror) |
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| 13:20.53 | M`vy | apt-get -f install? |
| 13:21.31 | ootput | M`vy: that will still pull in the dependency |
| 13:21.40 | M`vy | it's said to be able to omit pacakge? |
| 13:21.42 | M`vy | ok |
| 13:22.17 | ootput | julien_BLUG: which package+dependency, btw? |
| 13:22.18 | M`vy | -m? ignore missing package? |
| 13:22.22 | julien_BLUG | M`vy, ootput yep it would be better to just forget about the dependency afterwards |
| 13:22.27 | abrotman | julien_BLUG: you can't do this |
| 13:22.49 | abrotman | julien_BLUG: which package, and which dependency? |
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| 13:23.53 | julien_BLUG | ootput, abrotman that's a package called greenboard-desktop which is a metapackage for a prototype of an Ubuntu customization I am working with |
| 13:24.04 | abrotman | julien_BLUG: go ask #ubuntu, this channel is for Debian |
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| 13:24.28 | julien_BLUG | ootput, abchirk, it's pulling gnome-mplayer which is in Universe that I don't wanna mirror |
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| 13:24.52 | abrotman | julien_BLUG: how the hell is this a Debian issue? Go to #ubuntu, last warning. |
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| 13:25.21 | julien_BLUG | abrotman, I came here cuz I'm Debian user and could not find an apt aptitude chan, sorry about the inconvenience |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | julien_BLUG: Ubuntu gave you your apt/dpkg, ask #ubuntu |
| 13:25.44 | M`vy | a metapackage is just a liste of packages? |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | or ask them where to go, it's certainly not here |
| 13:25.45 | ootput | julien_BLUG: yeah. I've no idea about ubuntu, sorry |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | M`vy: /msg dpkg metapackage |
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| 13:26.42 | M`vy | so you can also install package one by one as an alternative? |
| 13:27.12 | abrotman | you could .. or you could unmarkauto all your packages |
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| 13:28.09 | julien_BLUG | Understood, I have enough keywords here to Google/man my way through that issue, thanks guys |
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| 13:30.54 | r0nin | best way to daily transfer important customer files from a SFTP server to a fileserver? |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | rsync over ssh |
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| 13:38.34 | sh4m1mz4k1 | Hi, I have a Sun Ultrasparc IIi cPCI server. Is Debian Sparc64 distribution is compatiable with this processsor |
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| 13:40.05 | abrotman | 32bit? |
| 13:40.05 | r0nin | preferable not by hand every day |
| 13:40.11 | abrotman | r0nin: cron |
| 13:40.19 | abrotman | cron + rsync/ssh + ssh keys |
| 13:40.26 | r0nin | ah |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | sh4m1mz4k1: did you check the installation manual ? |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | sh4m1mz4k1: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ch02s01.html.en#sparc-cpus |
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| 13:43.01 | abrotman | sh4m1mz4k1: the US IIi is 64bit, but i don't know about that specific machine .. i believe there is a small-ish #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:43.31 | dreamy_ | wich version of debian brings has much good drivers has the ubuntu 10.04 ? ( i hope this is not a silly question) |
| 13:43.35 | dreamy_ | :S |
| 13:43.36 | dreamy_ | :) |
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| 13:44.39 | jordanm | all of them? |
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| 13:45.56 | dreamy_ | jordanm: strange... i may it be just me, or i got better sound quality when im recording with ubuntu 10.4 |
| 13:46.00 | dreamy_ | maybe its just my impression |
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| 13:47.32 | abrotman | dreamy_: could just be different default settings |
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| 13:48.11 | dreamy_ | k i get it.. so basicly... its the same |
| 13:48.14 | dreamy_ | ty for info.. |
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| 13:49.30 | dreamy_ | if im willing to risk loosing data.. or reinstall the OS at any time, is it ok to run a Debian Unstable version ? |
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| 13:52.05 | houms | good day all I just installed fedora on my laptop which currently has debian testing installed on it. I have it setup to dualboot but grub is where I am having problem. I got debian booting but it prompts for control +d to continue on every boot not sure why |
| 13:54.56 | eryn_1983 | can somebody help me with pam and winbind?/ |
| 13:55.01 | houms | my grub.conf looks like this, not sure what i am missing http://pastebin.com/M4QXqyui |
| 13:55.03 | eryn_1983 | i think i ahve screwed up my pam configs |
| 13:55.45 | eryn_1983 | i am tyring to get it to where i can login w/o the AD server being up with ssh and local. and when it is up then login with winbind or passwd over ssh or local.. |
| 13:55.49 | eryn_1983 | if that makes sense |
| 13:55.51 | eryn_1983 | sigh |
| 13:56.06 | eryn_1983 | right now i cant login w/o AD server bing up , as root |
| 13:56.10 | eryn_1983 | wth. |
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| 14:02.48 | rdz | hi all. i am trying to bridge a physical internet device with a virtual device. the problem is that i would like to dynamically add and remove the virtual device to the bridgge but when adding it, the bridge gets the mac address of the virtual device and when removing it, the bridge has agian the mac address of the physical device. is there a way to make the bridge always use the mac address of the physical interface? |
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| 14:09.21 | AL13N | it looks like i'm missing some security advisories in my email, there are (?security?) updates i didn't know about |
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| 14:10.06 | HackeMate | hi, can i change the keymap? |
| 14:10.23 | HackeMate | my key is < but when i press it appears Āŗ |
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| 14:10.32 | Kano | lenny or squeeze? |
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| 14:10.42 | HackeMate | lenny |
| 14:10.50 | Kano | x or text mode |
| 14:10.54 | HackeMate | x |
| 14:10.59 | Kano | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:11.06 | Kano | then kill x after change |
| 14:11.08 | AL13N | hmm, i'm not missing any security advisories |
| 14:11.16 | HackeMate | is an apple keyboard, doesn't matter? |
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| 14:11.32 | Kano | it matters, on the fly you could try |
| 14:11.41 | HackeMate | ok, there i go |
| 14:11.56 | Kano | setxkbmap -model macbook79 |
| 14:11.59 | Kano | as user |
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| 14:12.01 | Kano | not root |
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| 14:12.48 | HackeMate | done, relog? |
| 14:12.48 | abrotman | AL13N: it was probably 5.0.5, not security updates |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | dreamy_: if you're asking if it is okay, then no, it is not okay |
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| 14:17.43 | Night_Elf | In my /etc/bind/named.conf.options I have added: logging { channel info { file "/path/to/file"; severity info; }; }; category queries { info; }; |
| 14:18.06 | Night_Elf | Yet still nothing comes at /path/to/file What could be wrong ? |
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| 14:18.44 | abrotman | Night_Elf: did you restart bind9 ? |
| 14:18.49 | Night_Elf | abrotman: yes |
| 14:18.59 | abrotman | and /path/to/ exists and is writable by bind ? |
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| 14:19.44 | Night_Elf | abrotman: what I have as such is this: -rw-r--r-- 1 bind root 0 2010-07-01 16:04 /var/log/named/named_info.log Is it how it should be ? |
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| 14:22.17 | marisn | when installing snort-mysql 2.7.0-20.4 it doesn't allow to configure database during install. It opens "Would you like to configure db? Y/n" dialog, but both Y an N options just close that dialog |
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| 14:22.49 | abrotman | Night_Elf: not the file, the directory |
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| 14:23.53 | marisn | anyone got snort running on lenny? |
| 14:24.03 | Night_Elf | abrotman: ah. Well I think it is good to as this: drwxr-xr-x 2 bind root 4096 2010-07-01 16:04 named |
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| 14:24.16 | Night_Elf | abrotman: that listing is done while in /var/log |
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| 14:24.25 | abrotman | seems reasonable |
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| 14:25.23 | Night_Elf | is seems so odd that it doesnt work. |
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| 14:25.49 | abrotman | Night_Elf: FWIW, in mine i have 'file "/path/to/file" versions # size #m;' and then the rest |
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| 14:27.24 | lamah | where can i see changelog for 5.0.5 |
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| 14:27.45 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100626 |
| 14:27.52 | Night_Elf | abrotman: hmmm. I have file "/path/to/file" and then directly comes severity info; print-time yes; etc |
| 14:28.11 | abrotman | Night_Elf: put the whole file in a pastebin |
| 14:28.19 | Night_Elf | abrotman: ok |
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| 14:29.33 | marisn | any ideas what does "Bus error" means when launching less? |
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| 14:31.19 | Night_Elf | abrotman: the paste is here: http://paste.debian.net/79288/ |
| 14:31.57 | abrotman | what if you take that "default_syslog" out of the category line ? |
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| 14:32.20 | abrotman | Night_Elf: just my imagination or is /* */ a comment block ? |
| 14:32.45 | Night_Elf | feels a complete idiot... totally |
| 14:33.08 | abrotman | i had one of those moments a few weeks ago .. ask asg! |
| 14:33.34 | dvs | I have those moments all the time! ;-) |
| 14:33.43 | Night_Elf | lol |
| 14:33.51 | Night_Elf | No. I feel even worse |
| 14:33.54 | Night_Elf | oh well |
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| 14:34.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | why is there no ardour package in the stable repository? |
| 14:35.20 | abrotman | Night_Elf: did that fix it? |
| 14:35.37 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: ISTR it was pretty darn buggy when lenny was released .. if you really wanted to know it is documented somewhere |
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| 14:37.22 | Night_Elf | abrotman: yes. The comment block. I didn't touch that default_syslog at all. Thanks for the time of following me in this brainslip. lol |
| 14:37.34 | abrotman | have a nice day! |
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| 14:37.45 | Night_Elf | and I even had it working till 2 months ago. Wondering why that stopped |
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| 14:42.11 | AmberJ | Isn't kqemu available in debian? |
| 14:42.31 | AmberJ | I know it's not supported by QEMU devs now, but is there a way to use kqemu in debian? |
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| 14:43.20 | abrotman | AmberJ: which version of debian ? |
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| 14:45.20 | AmberJ | abrotman: lenny. though I have lenny-backports, squeeze sources in my sources.list too |
| 14:45.50 | abrotman | AmberJ: you have to use m-a to build them |
| 14:46.44 | AmberJ | abrotman: Ok. Thank you. |
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| 15:12.29 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:12.29 | dpkg | < rahul> #kde seems to be about as knowledgable as #ubuntu |
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| 15:32.24 | AL13N | abrotman: lol @ quote |
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| 15:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | #kde has never pretended to be about end-user support. |
| 15:48.52 | jordanm | I am sure dpkg can do better than that |
| 15:48.57 | jordanm | !qotd0 |
| 15:48.57 | dpkg | -<-Freenode-staff-member->- [Global Notice] Hi all, terribly sorry to bother you again but regardless of how much hairdye I go through, I can't get away from being blonde. Needless to say, my previous global resulted in inadvertedly ddosing the machine hosting the blog and website. Please try again later and for now, call me Homer and watch me Doh! |
| 15:51.15 | AL13N | heh |
| 15:51.21 | AL13N | !qotd0 |
| 15:51.21 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
| 15:51.31 | AL13N | meh |
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| 16:08.21 | rking | Is the resulting system state identical if you: (a) load a kernel module then rmmod it vs. (b) never loading it at all? |
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| 16:08.51 | rking | (I'm trying to figure out if I have to reboot after rmmod foo + blacklist foo) |
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| 16:10.24 | cahoot | rking: to accomplish what? |
| 16:11.33 | komentarze_listy | hi, anyone knows a script that output debian 'need to upgrade packages' int conky ? I saw one for Arch... |
| 16:11.44 | komentarze_listy | in* |
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| 16:17.16 | rking | cahoot: Well, I'm doing a module switch (wl instead of b34+ssb), and now that I've done modprobe wl; rmmod b34; rmmod ssb; (edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf to add b34 and ssb); I'm just wondering if my machine is now in the state it will be when it boots |
| 16:17.38 | rking | That is, does the mere act of loading those modules probably reconfigure my card into some funky state. |
| 16:17.51 | rking | I know the clearest option is to just reboot, but I'm trying to learn how all of this works. |
| 16:18.02 | jordanm | rking: the other modules should be blacklisted |
| 16:18.37 | jordanm | rking: also, use modprobe -r instead of rmmod, like the rmmod manpage says |
| 16:19.39 | cahoot | rking: you shouldn't need reboot |
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| 16:20.58 | rking | jordanm: Ahh, didn't know about modprobe -r. I'm dusty. |
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| 16:21.53 | rking | jordanm: Basically modprobe -r takes care of dependencies where rmmod doesn't? |
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| 16:25.10 | jordanm | rking: no idea, other than the documentation recommends a particular front-end, so that is what I use and recommend |
| 16:25.40 | jordanm | rking: the modprobe documentation says "intelligently adds or removes a module". I am not sure what exactly is more intelligent about it, but I will take the documentation writer's word on it |
| 16:26.00 | rking | jordanm: Gotcha. |
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| 16:26.34 | ypnos | where to find etch packages? |
| 16:27.02 | ypnos | is there a mirror that still has them? |
| 16:27.29 | jordanm | ypnos: its in the archives |
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| 16:27.42 | becks` | hi, suddenly i can't abort a `tcpdump multicast` with CTRL+C, it used to work in the past.. what could be the problem here? |
| 16:27.49 | ypnos | can you give me a pointer where to find the "archives" |
| 16:27.56 | ypnos | I know that all metadata is still there |
| 16:28.05 | ypnos | but nowhere I could find the .deb files still |
| 16:28.15 | jordanm | ypnos: archive.debian.org |
| 16:28.29 | rking | becks`: Hrm. Not sure... There's always Ctrl+\ , which is more forcible, and strangely enough Ctrl+z then kill % works sometimes most forcibly of all. |
| 16:29.21 | becks` | ok thanks rking... what i've seen just now is that after a minute or so it works, and it shows that nearly all messages have been dropped by the kernel, even the machine is 99% idle |
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| 16:30.57 | rking | becks`: Yeah, ^C just sends SIGINT to the program, and if the program has some work to do before it quits it'll take a minute. (I understand your statement to mean "it"==^C) |
| 16:32.00 | becks` | yes, ctrl+c... i just wonder why suddenly all packets get dropped by the kernel, it used to work like a charm :( |
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| 16:36.29 | ypnos | jordanm: thank you very much, found it. seems that was too obvious for me and google :-) |
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| 16:39.58 | pozic | Are there ways to copy complete partitions from one device to another without creating an intermediate image file? |
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| 16:40.15 | cahoot | dd? |
| 16:41.13 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: rsync works well. |
| 16:41.18 | pozic | cahoot: dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/sdc2 where /dev/sdc2 is a newly created file system? |
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| 16:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: That will overwrite the new filesystem with an image of the source filesystem. |
| 16:41.47 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: I don't want to use the FS API. I want to have sequential reads. |
| 16:42.20 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: If the source is larger than the target, it may also overwrite the beginning of the following partition (if any) rendering it useless. |
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| 16:42.50 | jhutchins_lt | Well. If sequential reads are important, I suggest you code it yourself. |
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| 16:44.25 | acu | I have got two PCIe USB cards = I can see them if I do lsusb - but nothing works webcam or keyboard - what do I need to do ? |
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| 16:44.44 | acu | jsjsjs |
| 16:45.16 | acu | OK, the keyboard works - but the webcam does not |
| 16:45.55 | jordanm | !webcam |
| 16:45.55 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
| 16:46.41 | Blitzmerker | Hi, when I start my Laptop, wlan is allways enabled. With Fn-F2 I can disable it. How can I change it that wlan is disbaled by default? (using GNOME) |
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| 16:59.38 | AmberJ | abrotman: I built kqemu using m-a....but when starting qemu as root, it still doesnot seems to find kqemu in /dev/ ... Any ideas? |
| 16:59.42 | jk4 | I found a bug in lenny |
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| 17:02.54 | abrotman | AmberJ: did you load the module? |
| 17:03.02 | abrotman | jk4: there are many, be more descriptive |
| 17:03.34 | AmberJ | abrotman: No, I didnt. How do I load a module? Or, will rebooting load it? |
| 17:04.14 | jk4 | abrotman: When I installed strongswan it made an invalid config file. |
| 17:04.27 | abrotman | AmberJ: /etc/modules |
| 17:04.37 | abrotman | jk4: that might be intentional |
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| 17:05.03 | jk4 | Really?? |
| 17:05.05 | rking | abrotman: To make sure the user manually inspects stuff? |
| 17:05.36 | jk4 | /var/lib/strongswan/ipsec.conf.inc tried to include a file that does not exist |
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| 17:06.00 | abrotman | jk4: which is? |
| 17:06.09 | abrotman | rking: there are others that are that way |
| 17:06.26 | jk4 | /etc/ipsec.d/examples/oe.conf |
| 17:06.38 | abrotman | dpkg: find ipsec.d/examples/oe.conf lenny |
| 17:06.56 | jk4 | /etc/ipsec.d/examples does not even exist |
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| 17:09.39 | AmberJ | abrotman: So, at a minimal, I should add 'kqemu' to /etc/modules? |
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| 17:10.13 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:10.33 | AmberJ | ty abrotman :) |
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| 17:17.43 | russian_ulysses | where can I find list of domains blacklisted/whitelisted by lists.debian.org? |
| 17:17.47 | abrotman | AmberJ: is it working? |
| 17:17.54 | abrotman | russian_ulysses: i don't know that the list is public |
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| 17:18.13 | abrotman | russian_ulysses: does it tell you with a reject that you're blacklisted? |
| 17:19.15 | russian_ulysses | abrotman I emailed to debian-user@lists.debian.org from yandex.ru ~24 hours ago, got no reject email, but my post isn't appeared on lists.debian.org |
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| 17:22.36 | abrotman | and then he disappears anyways |
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| 17:25.08 | roberthl | I am using the SSH Debian installer... is there any way to resume an installation if the SSH connection is lost? Thanks. |
| 17:25.29 | AmberJ | abrotman: Yes, it is working. ty |
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| 17:27.25 | kuro_neko | I've added the line: APT::Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf But when I try to upgrade a package, it still selects the unstable branch package (my idea is to have a testing system with the occasional unstable package). How do I fix this? |
| 17:27.40 | jordanm | roberthl: ssh installer? |
| 17:27.49 | abrotman | !tell jordanm about ssh install |
| 17:28.38 | jordanm | abrotman: thanks, my lazy C-f search for "ssh" in the ToC was a failure |
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| 17:29.58 | jordanm | !tell roberthl about ssh install |
| 17:30.14 | jordanm | roberthl: looks like your answer is the "Note" |
| 17:30.19 | kuro_neko | nevermind... I was mistaken by a weird listing of apt packages |
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| 17:31.56 | roberthl | ah seems the answer is "don't let it get interrupted" ;) |
| 17:32.00 | roberthl | fair enough, thank you |
| 17:32.38 | chovy | is there a way to determine which outbound ports are available from my local network to get to the cloud? |
| 17:33.23 | jordanm | chovy: why wouldn't the answer be all of them? |
| 17:33.44 | chovy | i don't know. but if i ssh to a server on port 8070 it says its blocked. |
| 17:33.53 | chovy | it works from outside the network i'm on. |
| 17:34.14 | jordanm | are you the admin of the network you are on? |
| 17:34.19 | chovy | no |
| 17:34.25 | jordanm | ask the admin |
| 17:34.37 | chovy | i can't |
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| 17:36.34 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 17:36.48 | abrotman | are you doing something you shouldn't be? |
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| 17:39.20 | Justin | chovy: what does "it says its blocked" ? |
| 17:39.28 | Justin | there is no such thing that would say anything of the sort |
| 17:39.58 | jordanm | ICMP port unreachable would be similar I suppose... |
| 17:40.02 | Night_Elf | a nmap on that port of the intended host would say a lot more |
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| 17:40.34 | jordanm | yes, and admins love it when you initiate port scans from their network! |
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| 17:41.06 | Night_Elf | but is still is not something that is forbidden ... |
| 17:41.26 | Justin | attempting to connect to a single port on a single machine via nmap is hardly a port scan |
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| 17:41.39 | Justin | using nmap for such a thing is rather overkill and won't really tell you anything new |
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| 17:41.55 | Justin | what would be helpful is to know exactly what the problem is rather than his interpretation ofit |
| 17:42.03 | Night_Elf | just wondering of how it will report it to be. closed/open/filtered |
| 17:42.22 | jordanm | you are scanning a port scanning, even if it is a single port. however, because it just sends a single syn, I doubt there is a way to tell the difference between it and normal traffic when it is not hitting multiple ports |
| 17:42.31 | pozic | There is nothign illegal about running nmap and the computational/network costs of doing so are also low. |
| 17:42.33 | Justin | you can figure that out just as easily as using telnet or netcat |
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| 17:42.52 | fxiny | psad can tell |
| 17:43.05 | fxiny | i mean if you scan one port |
| 17:43.07 | jordanm | pozic: often it is against network policies and ISP AUPs. |
| 17:43.29 | jordanm | atleast in my country |
| 17:44.08 | pozic | jordanm: ISPs won't drop you as a customer that quickly. |
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| 17:44.26 | jordanm | pozic: no, temporary cut-offs are much more likely |
| 17:44.56 | pozic | jordanm: I think people should be allowed to experiment. |
| 17:45.27 | pozic | jordanm: once my ISP says I cannot run nmap (I maybe do it a few times per year), I will just go and find a new Internet. |
| 17:45.57 | jordanm | not everyone has choices |
| 17:46.56 | pozic | jordanm: everyone has a choice, but most people take the easy way. |
| 17:47.18 | russian_ulysses | guys, it's a disgrace ( after upgrading squeeze I hardly made broken installation of linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem (-15). And after that it turned out that fglrx-10-6-1 gives iceweasel visual flickering. And xorg can't run without xorg.conf file for some reason ( |
| 17:47.42 | jordanm | pozic: you mean such as not physically relocating yourself? is that the "easy" way? |
| 17:47.59 | pozic | jordanm: you can become e.g. an amateur radio operator. |
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| 17:48.38 | jordanm | pozic: that is a replacement for the internet? |
| 17:48.57 | pozic | jordanm: you can use those to connect to the internet. |
| 17:49.11 | pozic | jordanm: but you don't have to. |
| 17:49.20 | Night_Elf | Still, it's a bit sad that filtering is so deep into some people's veins. It shouldn't be like that in general |
| 17:49.43 | pozic | If you just want to see all content, install Freenet. |
| 17:49.59 | pozic | Or I2P or ... |
| 17:50.32 | abrotman | how is that a disgrace ... |
| 17:51.12 | pozic | jordanm: and you can also just get an account on a machine in another country and login via ssh. |
| 17:51.29 | pozic | jordanm: that option is probably the most practical. |
| 17:51.44 | Night_Elf | yea. the tunnel!! |
| 17:51.48 | pozic | jordanm: once they forbid encryption, you can better just flee the country. |
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| 17:52.23 | Night_Elf | try flee china! |
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| 17:52.41 | PRA3DO | hello |
| 17:52.43 | pozic | Night_Elf: if you have technical skills you can probably do that. |
| 17:53.19 | PRA3DO | when upgrading i get an error saying that dpkg needs Breaks and it doesn't update it |
| 17:53.22 | PRA3DO | what can i do? |
| 17:53.28 | pozic | Night_Elf: you could go on vacation and just stay forever in the USA. You would be illegal, but there are lots of illegals in the USA. |
| 17:53.35 | Night_Elf | pozic: well yea of course. But it's not that easy I tell you of experience, have been there. |
| 17:54.00 | pozic | Night_Elf: in China? |
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| 17:54.08 | Night_Elf | pozic: yea :) |
| 17:54.09 | pozic | Night_Elf: are you Chinese? |
| 17:54.11 | Night_Elf | no |
| 17:54.22 | Night_Elf | am albanian |
| 17:54.44 | AimHere | Easy mistake to make |
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| 17:54.55 | pozic | China has fascism as Hitler would have wanted it, right? |
| 17:55.33 | pozic | They call it "communism", but that's about it. |
| 17:55.44 | Night_Elf | lol. Not that bad. I can tell you also that many many people like it as is there. And many others don't |
| 17:55.59 | Night_Elf | that place is a weird place. that's why also it's so fascinatting |
| 17:56.07 | AimHere | USA and the West has fascism as Mussolini would have wanted |
| 17:56.12 | abrotman | !ot |
| 17:56.13 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 17:57.39 | AmberJ | is off now to sleep...take care |
| 17:57.46 | chovy | Justin: huh? |
| 17:57.55 | saTTY | I am trying to install debian testing, how to avoid grub 2 be installed by default |
| 17:58.39 | jordanm | I would imagine you can't, since there is talk of no grub-legacy for that release |
| 17:58.58 | chovy | ssh: connect to host foo.dyndns.org port 8070: Connection refused |
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| 17:59.40 | abrotman | saTTY: what else would you like to use? |
| 18:00.01 | chovy | nmap |
| 18:00.27 | abrotman | chovy: ? |
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| 18:00.45 | chovy | i wonder if i can scan w/ nmap to find out what ports are open. |
| 18:00.51 | chovy | on the outbound firewall. |
| 18:01.45 | abrotman | sounds like a good way to get fired .. have fun |
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| 18:04.47 | fxiny | chovy: hire the plague |
| 18:04.50 | fxiny | :P |
| 18:05.30 | fxiny | can't understand but likes swedish language |
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| 18:08.59 | fxiny | just rent it |
| 18:09.02 | fxiny | oops |
| 18:09.08 | fxiny | soorry wroing window |
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| 18:14.00 | chovy | hire the plague? |
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| 18:14.37 | fxiny | RMS alike in a swe movie |
| 18:15.31 | olorin_ | A ESR lookalike lives where I do. |
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| 18:17.17 | abrotman | fxiny: this is #debian, try #debian-offtopic |
| 18:17.38 | fxiny | abrotman: oh , i forgot toi tell you hello |
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| 18:18.04 | abrotman | hiya |
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| 18:29.53 | pozic | What is a good tool to show one of those diagrams showing disk usage? There are GUIs which do that. |
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| 18:31.33 | pozic | I am also doing an operation as root, but I cannot even open a directory anymore as a normal user. Is that kind of starvation supposed to happen? |
| 18:32.03 | russian_ulysses | my xorg can't start (monitor goes in standby mode) without /etc/X11/xorg.conf which was auto-generated by fglrx. Even when I do 'rmmod fglrx; gdm restart'. Here's Xorg.0.log without that conf file: http://paste.debian.net/79309/ |
| 18:34.30 | fxiny | pozic: gdmap . i prefere ncdu |
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| 18:44.31 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 18:47.32 | Annihle9 | i need some help, this is my first time installing Debian, I did a fresh install, after the reboot, it wont load the GUI, I just get a black screen I have a ATI 4890 |
| 18:47.34 | syslq1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.37 | dutchfish | russian_ulysses: is that debian/squeeze? |
| 18:47.43 | apt_get | I have this network card : Agere Systems ET-131x |
| 18:47.51 | syslq1 | Annihle9: startx? |
| 18:47.58 | Annihle9 | k |
| 18:48.07 | syslq1 | Annihle9: you see the shell? |
| 18:48.20 | apt_get | and I cant compile the source driver... maybe some friend had success with it? |
| 18:49.21 | Annihle9 | i am able to get to a cli from alt f2 |
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| 18:50.05 | themill | apt_get: my understanding is that a newer kernel from backports.org should be sufficient to solve that. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:50.06 | Annihle9 | startx = unable to connect to x server |
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| 18:50.18 | bzed | syslq1: yea (regarding your passwd question) |
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| 18:50.31 | DevNullnDull | Anyone know of a good app to manage or create the "default" file for PXE boot server? I would like to setup a PXE for all software Linux, ESX, Windows, etc... |
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| 18:51.06 | Bushmills | pxelinux |
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| 18:51.41 | russian_ulysses | dutchfish, yes, squeeze. I made aptitude update/full-upgrade yersterday. There's one side of my issue already mentioned on list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/07/msg00001.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/07/msg00045.html |
| 18:51.58 | DevNullnDull | Bushmills: is that a question? yes pxelinux |
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| 18:52.19 | Bushmills | no, it is a reply to what DevNullnDull (you) asked |
| 18:52.32 | dutchfish | russian_ulysses: try adding radeon to /etc/modules (it needs to be loaded first, wich doesnt by default unless added to /etc/modules) |
| 18:52.37 | syslq1 | bzed: thanks |
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| 18:53.00 | jordanm | DevNullnDull: please do not crosspost eg. OFTC #debian |
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| 18:53.05 | Bushmills | it is a good "app" to "manage" default, by allowing specific boot code for different hosts, and also can be configured as a boot selector |
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| 18:53.29 | apt_get | themill: I use a custom kernel(from kernel.org) and then, cant use a deb kernel(backport) |
| 18:54.03 | jordanm | apt_get: why can't you switch? |
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| 18:54.11 | Ghost1227 | syslinux is sorta working... it actually tries to boot finally, but now i'm getting this error: 'mount: mounting /dev/vda on /root failed: No such device' anyone got any ideas? |
| 18:54.17 | themill | apt_get: what kernel version are you using? |
| 18:54.36 | DevNullnDull | jordanm: please get a better life. |
| 18:54.40 | jordanm | Ghost1227: sounds like a typo in /etc/fstab |
| 18:54.41 | Pryon | Ghost1227: you probably want /dev/xvda |
| 18:55.09 | Ghost1227 | jordanm: that's possible |
| 18:55.20 | Ghost1227 | Pryon: nope, i promise in this case it's vda not xvda |
| 18:55.23 | DevNullnDull | Bushmills: pxelinux is a package? I can not find it. |
| 18:55.30 | bzed | syslq1: the only thing you might want to check is /etc/nsswitch.conf to see if it is using passwd/shadow at all. There are crazy installations where it points to ldap only, or such things (one should enver do that, but who knows :)) |
| 18:55.33 | Pryon | then I got nothin' |
| 18:55.33 | Bushmills | may be part of syslinux |
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| 18:56.52 | Bushmills | it is a bootstrap loader for net booting |
| 18:57.02 | Bushmills | i.e. , instead of loading your pxe image, you load pxelinux |
| 18:57.27 | Bushmills | and through pxelinux the choice or decision is made what boot image will actually be loaded |
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| 18:57.33 | DevNullnDull | ya i have already installed syslinux, but that just gets you the files to use pxelinux. I'm looking for an app to manage the configuration of the pxelinux.cfg/default file |
| 18:57.59 | Bushmills | just configure pxelinux accordingly |
| 18:58.12 | plastun | hello! I have configured hardware RAID and install Debian. So, I see 2 partitions instead of one. What is matter? |
| 18:58.14 | syslq1 | bzed: thanks a lot |
| 18:58.25 | abrotman | plastun: it's not real raid |
| 18:58.32 | syslq1 | bzed: well on this installation it's exactly as you said :) |
| 18:58.36 | syslq1 | it points to ldap |
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| 18:58.40 | Bushmills | (so that it loads a different file than default) |
| 18:58.52 | plastun | abrotman, why? |
| 18:59.06 | DevNullnDull | Bushmills: Yes, that is what has to be done. ? is there an app that can manage that process better then text editting that file. |
| 18:59.23 | abrotman | plastun: what is the controller in question? |
| 18:59.46 | jhutchins_lt | DevNullnDull: You might want to look at ltsp - it's a complete pxe system. |
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| 19:00.05 | DevNullnDull | jhutchins_lt: thanks i will do |
| 19:00.07 | plastun | abrotman, one of the last gigabyle raid controller |
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| 19:00.27 | Annihle9 | Annihle9 Problem (Unalbe to load GUI after first install) Solved = Disconnected second monitor from pc, rebooted and able to login with the GUI) |
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| 19:00.34 | abrotman | plastun: it's probably fake raid |
| 19:00.39 | PRA3DO | where can i find a static dpkg binary? |
| 19:00.47 | jhutchins_lt | DevNullnDull: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 & http://wiki.debian.org/pxe |
| 19:00.54 | abrotman | PRA3DO: why? |
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| 19:01.07 | apt_get | themill: 2.6.33 |
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| 19:01.25 | themill | apt_get: that already has the driver for that device in the mainline kernel |
| 19:01.43 | Bushmills | DevNullnDull: put as many boot images as you want. make the choice which one to boot by either boot client ip address, boot client subnet, boot client mac address, boot client mac address substring, or keyboard selection. edit that once, then you're done. no "app" needed for changing default all the time |
| 19:01.59 | apt_get | no, with what name? |
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| 19:02.18 | plastun | abrotman, so, how to make real hardware raid? |
| 19:02.24 | abrotman | plastun: spend money |
| 19:02.33 | jordanm | plastun: you have to buy an expensive controller |
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| 19:02.42 | abrotman | they're not expensive .. they're just not super cheap |
| 19:02.45 | jordanm | plastun: if you have a desktop PC, the card would likely exceed the cost of the PC |
| 19:02.53 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Building a boot menu to select images is pretty challenging. |
| 19:02.57 | abrotman | you can probably get a 2-port for about $100-$150 |
| 19:02.58 | PRA3DO | abrotman, i get an error saying dpkg needs Break |
| 19:03.01 | PRA3DO | i have a very old version |
| 19:03.03 | DevNullnDull | jhutchins_lt: i have be all up and down those links before. Do get me wrong we have PXE working, it just seems that there has to be a better way if your loading multipule distros, maybe some dos and windows images as well |
| 19:03.07 | abrotman | PRA3DO: use a pastebin |
| 19:03.24 | plastun | it's not importtamt for me about its fake or real, I just want to see one partiotion in my OS, like in Windows |
| 19:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | plastun: Real hardware raid starts at about $350 for the controller according to a study done by our local LUG. |
| 19:03.37 | themill | PRA3DO: mixing releases isn't a good plan |
| 19:03.48 | abrotman | !tell plastun about dmraid |
| 19:03.49 | jhutchins_lt | plastun: Spanning disks is a great way to loose the system. |
| 19:03.55 | Bushmills | there are examples of preconfigured pretty pxelinux menu selectors look at ploplinux for an example |
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| 19:04.50 | DevNullnDull | Bushmills: i feel you. Just seems that someone would have wrote up an app to make it easier. |
| 19:04.53 | DevNullnDull | thank tho |
| 19:04.56 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Thanks, I may get back to that project. |
| 19:04.56 | PRA3DO | how can i rollbac from unstable to stable? |
| 19:05.14 | jordanm | !downgrade |
| 19:05.15 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 19:05.24 | jhutchins_lt | DevNullnDull: At this point setting up a PXE server is a sufficiently advanced project that editing a text file is trivial compared to the rest. |
| 19:05.57 | plastun | so, if I have fake as you sad RAID controller on mytheboard, what does it do??? |
| 19:06.02 | Bushmills | http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html#screenshots |
| 19:06.11 | Bushmills | built around pxelinux boot loader |
| 19:06.29 | jordanm | plastun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakeraid#Firmware.2Fdriver-based_RAID_.28.22FakeRAID.22.29 |
| 19:06.30 | plastun | programmable RAID will spend processor time |
| 19:07.13 | themill | PRA3DO: dpkg in stable supports "Breaks", so the version you have is even older than that. |
| 19:07.14 | hilem | any idea why, dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.1, would hang on me after setting a root password |
| 19:07.14 | DevNullnDull | jhutchins_lt: Hmmm. i don't think i agree, PXE setup is complete cake for me. Just getting them to boot to different images or files is time consuming |
| 19:08.07 | Bushmills | my wlan router is my pxe boot server :) |
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| 19:08.54 | jordanm | uses an openbsd firewall appliance for PXE |
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| 19:11.05 | jhutchins_lt | I think one of the problems is that everybody has a slightly different approach, so when trying to combine two different PXE systems - say ltsp and a Debian installer - it gets pretty confusing. |
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| 19:11.51 | DevNullnDull | I agree with that |
| 19:12.52 | abrotman | plastun: roughly, yes .. think of it like a winmodem |
| 19:13.02 | plastun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.02 | plastun | ven though the RAID itself is implemented correctly. Adaptec calls them "HostRAID". |
| 19:13.21 | plastun | this is my case |
| 19:13.24 | jordanm | I posted a link so that the channel didn't have to get flooded with that.... |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:16.07 | DevNullnDull | jhutchins_lt: lstp? thats a terminal service package? How does that help? |
| 19:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | DevNullnDull: Complete desktop environment via PXE. |
| 19:18.05 | JyZyXEL | how do i figure out why initrd assembled raid1 in degraded mode? |
| 19:18.16 | jhutchins_lt | My wife's PC has no hard drive, just a little box the size of a clock radio. |
| 19:18.17 | JyZyXEL | could it be cause of a power outage? |
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| 19:19.04 | DevNullnDull | jhutchins_lt: oh, i see. like i side before, i just looking for a package that would build out the pxe default configuration file and manage the pxe server itself. |
| 19:19.08 | DevNullnDull | thanks tho. |
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| 19:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | DevNullnDull: Debian ltsp is pretty plug-and-play, very little configuration required. |
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| 19:23.49 | Linkadmin | has anyone here tried to do an etch install successfully since june 20? |
| 19:24.03 | abrotman | Linkadmin: you'd have to use archive.debian.org for your sources |
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| 19:24.15 | Linkadmin | abrotman: yes, that's what we're using |
| 19:24.20 | abrotman | so it should work? |
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| 19:25.06 | jordanm | hopes that installation is to test migrations to lenny |
| 19:25.24 | Linkadmin | having some issues. Some packages seem to be from lenny instead. It's possible that we messed up though because we change the sources to archives.debian.org after. checking. |
| 19:25.41 | abrotman | Linkadmin: you sohuld probably do the installation offline, then change the sources, then do the rest |
| 19:25.54 | Lagaro | Hello, everyone. I'm attempting to get a Conexant modem working, using the drivers available at linuxant.com. I've been following an Ubuntu HOWTO, and I think I've got the driver installed. However, I have an issue . . . when I boot up with the driver installed, I get a modprobe segfault for hsfengine, the Conexant modem engine . . . does any one know how I might be able to resolve this issue? I'm running a custom-compiled 2.6.32-15 x86_64 kernel, on a |
| 19:26.07 | Linkadmin | yeah the installer pulls from ftp.us.debian.org/debian so that must be the problem. |
| 19:26.20 | abrotman | is it pulling stable or etch or lenny? |
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| 19:26.25 | Linkadmin | etch |
| 19:26.35 | Linkadmin | deb @METHOD@ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 19:26.37 | abrotman | i meant in the sources.list |
| 19:26.43 | abrotman | should be fine then |
| 19:26.48 | jordanm | Lagaro: your statement was cut off at "kernel, on a" |
| 19:26.52 | abrotman | or say not found .. what about the security.debian.org line ? |
| 19:27.04 | Linkadmin | deb @METHOD@security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | Lagaro: kernel modules must be compiled agains the same kernel they are to run with. |
| 19:27.12 | Lagaro | jordamn: My apologies. I'm running a Debian sid amd64 system. |
| 19:27.16 | Linkadmin | it runs the full install as lenny with those |
| 19:27.25 | Lagaro | jhutchins_lt: I just compiled the kernel and the module myself. |
| 19:27.30 | Linkadmin | i'll try to switch them to archive.debian.org, make a new iso and try it out |
| 19:27.33 | jhutchins_lt | Lagaro: Segfaults should be everyday things for you then. |
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| 19:27.48 | jordanm | Lagaro: what is the pciid? lspci -nn |
| 19:27.53 | Lagaro | jhutchins_lt: they are, but I've never had to debug a kernel crash before. |
| 19:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | Lagaro: Mixing files from two distros was how I first destroyed a linux system. |
| 19:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | (The first of many.) |
| 19:28.28 | Lagaro | jhutchins_lt: I'm not mixing files from different distros! I'm following an Ubuntu how-to-compilation guide. |
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| 19:28.42 | jhutchins_lt | Lagaro: Ah, I thouight you were using an ubuntu module. |
| 19:28.48 | Lagaro | jordanm: the PCID is 00:1b.0 |
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| 19:28.59 | Lagaro | jhutchins_lt: I'm not *that* stupid. ;) |
| 19:29.15 | Daenyth|Work | Hi. I'm trying to split one of the packages I maintain and the docs are a little bit confusing because they expect a handrolled debian/rules file where I have one using cdbs. I have more details posted here: http://superuser.com/questions/158689/how-to-create-a-debian-split-package-when-using-debhelper |
| 19:29.26 | Daenyth|Work | How do I set things up when I'm using cdbs? |
| 19:29.36 | jhutchins_lt | Lagaro: I would think the first thing to test would be manually loading the module with modprobe -vvvv |
| 19:30.05 | jordanm | Lagaro: no, thats not enough characters |
| 19:30.16 | jordanm | Lagaro: paste the whole line |
| 19:30.36 | Lagaro | jordanm: I'm running without X, I don't have a clipboard. Hold on while I type it. |
| 19:30.37 | eryn_1983 | i have screwed up my pam configs |
| 19:30.45 | bombba | nsadmin: hey ho, hello! |
| 19:30.46 | Daenyth|Work | Lagaro: screen provides copy/paste |
| 19:30.51 | jordanm | !tell Lagaro about pastebinit |
| 19:30.53 | eryn_1983 | i am tyring to get it to where i can login w/o the AD server being up with ssh and local. and when it is up then login with winbind or passwd over ssh or local.. |
| 19:30.54 | Daenyth|Work | you should get familiar with it if you're on the command line often |
| 19:31.07 | eryn_1983 | sigh |
| 19:31.18 | Voldenet | Why repo contains old version of libasound2-dev? |
| 19:31.29 | Lagaro | Daenyth|Work: I know, but I don't have internet access to get the damn screen program! This is a fresh install. |
| 19:31.33 | craigevil | ,versions libasound2-dev |
| 19:31.36 | judd | libasound2-dev -- etch: 1.0.13-2; lenny: 1.0.16-2; lenny-backports: 1.0.22-2~bpo50+2; sid: 1.0.23-1; squeeze: 1.0.23-1 |
| 19:31.55 | Voldenet | ah, nvm. |
| 19:31.58 | Daenyth|Work | Lagaro: ah sucks. carry on then |
| 19:32.08 | Voldenet | I got sid version of libasound2 |
| 19:32.24 | Daenyth|Work | Anyone familiar with how I'd split a package when I'm using cdbs? |
| 19:32.38 | Lagaro | jordanm: 00:1b.0 Audio Device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 family) HD Audio Controller [8086:248b] (rev 03) |
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| 19:33.00 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:248b |
| 19:33.02 | judd | [8086:248b] is '82801CA Ultra ATA Storage Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:248b |
| 19:33.13 | Lagaro | sorry |
| 19:33.21 | Lagaro | mistype, 8086:284b. |
| 19:33.21 | jordanm | Lagaro: yeah, wrong one :) |
| 19:33.38 | jordanm | Lagaro: I thought we were talking about a modem? |
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| 19:33.49 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:284b |
| 19:33.52 | judd | [8086:284b] is '82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 19:34.14 | eryn_1983 | !pam |
| 19:34.14 | dpkg | [pam] the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 19:35.17 | Lagaro | jordanm: The issue is that it is an integrated modem, a part of the sound card. There's no dedicated device for the modem on the PCI bus. |
| 19:36.22 | jordanm | Lagaro: ah, I don't have any ideas on that then |
| 19:36.30 | Lagaro | jordanm: all right, thanks anyhow. |
| 19:36.56 | Lagaro | jordanm: I'll continue playing around with it . . . I'll try it on an x86 system and an older kernel, see what happens. |
| 19:37.31 | Daenyth|Work | Anyone know where I'd go to find someone familiar with cdbs/split packaging so I could get an answer? |
| 19:37.41 | Lagaro | until later, then. Happy hacking! |
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| 19:38.13 | jordanm | !tell Daenyth|Work about mentos |
| 19:38.15 | jordanm | !tell Daenyth|Work about mentors |
| 19:38.33 | Daenyth|Work | gee, thanks for the spam |
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| 19:41.31 | abrotman | you asked ... |
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| 19:42.03 | mns | I am running Debian/squeeze. I have an external VGA monitor and my laptop LCD. Currently what happens, whether I use XFCE, or vtwm or any other window manager is that both the monitors act as the same display. What shows up on the laptop LCD is what shows up on the external VGA. |
| 19:42.36 | mns | what do I do so that I can use both the monitors as a single display ? |
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| 19:42.49 | greymalkin | mns, window manager has nothing to do with it -- check out xrandr |
| 19:43.14 | greymalkin | mns: Or, if you have access to the gnome display applet, that can help orient the monitors. |
| 19:44.25 | starenka | what should i do to switch back from py 2.6 to 2.5 (squeeze?) i don't think modifying the symlink in /usr/bin its enough... or is it? |
| 19:45.09 | Daenyth|Work | starenka: why do you want to do this though? |
| 19:45.25 | starenka | loads of eggs don't work are mixed etc |
| 19:45.45 | starenka | and my deploy machines all have lenny/2.5.x |
| 19:45.54 | Daenyth|Work | ah |
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| 19:45.59 | Daenyth|Work | well there's that |
| 19:46.00 | jhutchins_lt | kde 3.5 has an video properties applet that lets you set up two monitors, but I think it uses xranr internally. |
| 19:46.00 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 19:46.55 | mns | greymalkin: I don't use GNOME/KDE, for the most part I do not even use XFCE, but thought I would try that. The XFCE Display setting only showed one screen. I'll try xrandr. |
| 19:47.17 | themill | Daenyth|Work: you can't change the default python. All you need to do is change the shebang line. |
| 19:47.21 | jhutchins_lt | mns: I think it's possible to set up in xorg.conf too. |
| 19:47.31 | greymalkin | mns: It's my recollection that all the "nice" ways use xrandr in the background. |
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| 19:47.59 | jhutchins_lt | Off to fix the horsies feet - new shoes! |
| 19:48.22 | starenka | themill: so why i got 2.6 this week in updates? (withoyt any warning message?????!!!) |
| 19:48.53 | eptalon | Supposing a perferct world is it worth debugging an intermittently failing zfs, or am I better off with an mdadm/somefs comnbo? |
| 19:49.27 | themill | starenka: umm... you're tracking squeeze. things change. It was announced on debian-devel-announce, which since you're running squeeze, you've said you're wanting to help with the development of debian and you should read. |
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| 19:50.08 | themill | starenka: you also should preview changes before letting the package manager apply them. If you don't read, you can't complain. apt-listchanges is useful. |
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| 19:50.24 | starenka | themill: well, yes my bad, but well there are patitude messages poping in and out, why the hell there wasn't a word about messing out my system/dev environment? |
| 19:50.31 | mns | greymalkin: ok I used xrandr and it seems to give me what I want. the external VGA is on the left of the laptop and I did a "xrandr --output VGA --left-of LVDS1 --auto and it worked. now I just to make it so that I don't have to do this manually all the time. |
| 19:50.56 | themill | starenka: if you want things that don't change, run stable. seriously... as soon as you run squeeze, you're asking for things to change rapidly and drastically. |
| 19:51.02 | Daenyth|Work | starenka: you really can't get mad for running a *testing* version that is intended for you to contribute to distro development if you are not following the development |
| 19:51.26 | themill | starenka: and as I said, this *was* announced. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00006.html If you don't read the information available there's not much that we can do |
| 19:51.58 | starenka | im not complaining (hehe), just... well if sbdy writes here that you can't change default py, it;s not true, couse it obviously had happened ... |
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| 19:52.22 | themill | starenka: *you* can't change the default python. |
| 19:53.36 | Daenyth|Work | so.. Anyone familiar with cdbs at all, specifically with split packaging? Or at least where I'd start looking? |
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| 19:54.57 | ldlf12 | hello |
| 19:55.31 | jordanm | Daenyth|Work: I had dpkg send you a pm long ago |
| 19:55.46 | Daenyth|Work | it was some random one liner about mentos |
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| 19:56.28 | jordanm | Daenyth|Work: that was my typo, should have been one after... |
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| 19:56.31 | jordanm | !mentors |
| 19:56.31 | dpkg | i heard mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:56.35 | themill | Daenyth|Work: it probably wasn't that random. If you're packaging for debian, you'll normally find more people who know about packaging tools in #debian-mentors on oftc, just as dpkg said. |
| 19:56.48 | Daenyth|Work | I'll look over there |
| 19:56.53 | Daenyth|Work | didn't know it existed until just now :P |
| 19:56.55 | Daenyth|Work | thanks |
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| 20:00.09 | tarik | hi all |
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| 20:00.56 | plastun | ok, I have realized difference with fakeRAID and realRAID. but if I want to have fakeRAID 1 under linux what should I do to see 1 partition instead of 2? drivers or something another? |
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| 20:03.05 | eryn_1983 | i am tyring to get it to where i can login w/o the AD server being up with ssh and local. and when it is up then login with winbind or passwd over ssh or local.. can somebody help me with pam ? |
| 20:03.13 | jordanm | plastun: I don't think grub1 can handle /boot on dmraid. could be wrong |
| 20:03.14 | tarik | Hi all, I've linux debian lenny with samba, with smbtree command i can see my directory Test_directory ( in windows 2008 server), How can'i copy it to my linux, which command can'i use? |
| 20:03.40 | jordanm | tarik: cp? |
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| 20:04.14 | plastun | jordanm, I have seen 2 partitions while installing debian |
| 20:04.33 | tarik | yes cp . and the path? |
| 20:04.42 | tomas-_ | Hi, |
| 20:04.53 | jordanm | plastun: right, which is likely required with dmraid |
| 20:05.02 | jordanm | tarik: wherever you mount the share to |
| 20:06.57 | tomas-_ | I have a confusing problem... I have a server where if I try to connect on port 80 with the domain name it works but if I connect directly with the ip or another domain name the connection times out and nginx doesn't show anything in it's log |
| 20:07.01 | tarik | Thanks jordanm: With smbmount i can do it |
| 20:07.03 | tarik | :) |
| 20:07.08 | tomas-_ | what kind of firewall software could cause that? |
| 20:07.17 | tomas-_ | I've flushed all the iptables rules |
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| 20:07.59 | jordanm | tomas-_: could be a nginx configuration. eg. it drops it if the name does not have a vhost (I am not real familar with nginx) |
| 20:08.23 | tomas-_ | actually no because then it would show in the error log... |
| 20:08.43 | tomas-_ | I've rechecked the configuration and on other servers it work fine |
| 20:08.47 | tomas-_ | just not on this one... |
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| 20:10.06 | tomas-_ | I've been at it for already 3 hours :-( |
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| 20:10.56 | neilk | does anyone know how i might go about making a cron job ring the system bell? |
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| 20:13.34 | dondelelcaro | neilk: call beep or similar; a normall bell is a terminal bell, which you can't do without a controlling tty (which cron jobs generally don't have) |
| 20:14.05 | ponyofdeath | is there an cmd tool i can use to scan an nfs server and see what shares are available? |
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| 20:15.43 | tomas-_ | the connection doesn't show either with lsof |
| 20:15.49 | neilk | hmm, i wonder how beep works. |
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| 20:25.16 | squisher | hi, I'm having trouble with zsh in lenny. I shouldn't get any dep. problems if I install zsh-static from testing/unstable because it's statically linked right? |
| 20:25.24 | squisher | security updates are the only downside I suppose |
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| 20:27.01 | jordanm | squisher: mixing releases is not recommended |
| 20:28.05 | neilk | you could also build your own zsh from scratch.. |
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| 20:29.24 | squisher | yeah, seems to be the better way |
| 20:30.03 | plastun | so, if I decided to use SoftwareRAID, should I disable FakeRaid in BIOS or not? |
| 20:30.14 | craigevil | squisher: backports it yourself /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:30.38 | lxsameer_ | #linux |
| 20:30.40 | phogg | plastun: if you're using software raid it doesn't do any good to let the bios think it knows anything |
| 20:31.31 | lxsameer | is there any command to list all users ? |
| 20:31.34 | plastun | disable bios raid controller, yes? |
| 20:31.39 | neilk | cat /etc/passwd |
| 20:31.58 | lxsameer | neilk: not system users , just normal users |
| 20:33.52 | jordanm | lxsameer: so throw some awk there to exclude UIDs < 1000 |
| 20:34.15 | lxsameer | jordanm: ow ok thanks |
| 20:36.17 | themill | lxsameer: "getent passwd" if you want to be more general for cases with users who aren't in /etc/passwd |
| 20:36.47 | lxsameer | themill: good thanks |
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| 20:39.07 | lxsameer | which mail server is easier to config ? i just want a normal mail server ? |
| 20:39.17 | shylent | sendmail of course |
| 20:39.25 | shylent | no, don't listen to me :P |
| 20:39.27 | neilk | ha ha |
| 20:39.32 | shylent | you will be scarred for life |
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| 20:39.59 | themill | lxsameer: depends what you mean by a "normal" mail server |
| 20:40.01 | shylent | I do like sendmail, though, I can understand the .cf language :) |
| 20:40.02 | lxsameer | shylent: sendmail is powerful but its configuration is a nightmare |
| 20:40.22 | phogg | normalcy is unknowable |
| 20:40.27 | lxsameer | themill: a simple mail server , |
| 20:40.44 | Gentoochild | hi again. I canĆ¢ĀĀt connect to #debian-kde right now, so IĆ¢ĀĀll ask here :-) |
| 20:40.49 | Gentoochild | For some reason my KDEĆ¢ĀĀs power management canĆ¢ĀĀt switch processor frequency schemes anymore, the combo for selecting one is empty. |
| 20:40.55 | Gentoochild | also, it shows 0 processors |
| 20:41.02 | Gentoochild | screenie: http://141.24.172.52/pub/pm.png |
| 20:41.07 | themill | Gentoochild: wrong network, that channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:41.09 | phogg | lxsameer: simple as in few features or simple as in easy to set up? |
| 20:41.12 | Gentoochild | themill: I know |
| 20:41.13 | lxsameer | Gentoochild: do you have cpufreqd ? |
| 20:41.26 | squisher | craigevil, cool, I know how to compile debs, but I didn't know apt-get makes it so easy |
| 20:41.28 | Gentoochild | I only have cpufrequtils |
| 20:41.29 | lxsameer | phogg: simple as in easy to setup |
| 20:41.31 | pozic | Is it possible to pause an ntfsresize action? |
| 20:41.45 | phogg | lxsameer: Well shucks, there ain't no such thing. |
| 20:41.47 | Gentoochild | pozic: Ctrl+Z on the console |
| 20:41.52 | pozic | By pause I mean that even after a reboot, you can continue. |
| 20:41.53 | themill | lxsameer: is it actually handling internet mail or is it only passing mail off to something else to deal with? You're asking for "best" without telling us what your criteria are |
| 20:41.56 | Gentoochild | will but the process in the background, pausing it |
| 20:42.17 | lxsameer | phogg: i try postfix but i wonder if there is any simpler in setup mail server |
| 20:42.20 | bkraptor | ,versions icedove |
| 20:42.22 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; sid: 3.0.5-1; squeeze: 3.0.5-1 |
| 20:42.24 | bkraptor | ,versions iceweasel |
| 20:42.25 | phogg | lxsameer: the simplest mail server is the one your distribution configured to do by default whatever it is you need done |
| 20:42.25 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
| 20:42.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | Gentoochild: I have a similar problem in gnome with my powersave applet |
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| 20:42.52 | pozic | Gentoochild: so, can I do Control-Z and e.g. core dump the process? |
| 20:42.54 | Gentoochild | lxsameer: I donĆ¢ĀĀt have cpufreqd installed right nopw |
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| 20:42.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | Gentoochild: I guess it's some problem with granting rights |
| 20:42.58 | neilk | no no no no no |
| 20:43.02 | lxsameer | themill: first one |
| 20:43.11 | Gentoochild | KaffeeJunky123: that's another suspicion of mine. However, I believe to remember that it worked before |
| 20:43.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | Gentoochild: mine worked before aswell |
| 20:43.33 | lxsameer | Gentoochild: if i was you i use that |
| 20:43.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | Gentoochild: until I tinkered with som grantrights stuff |
| 20:44.27 | lxsameer | themill: i just want a mail server that receive mails and send some mails , just it |
| 20:44.28 | pozic | Saving the whole state of the system and continuing later on is simply not implemented very well in Linux. |
| 20:44.45 | Gentoochild | pozic: Ctrl+Z will only put the current process in the background. You can view a list of backgrounded tasks with bg, and reactivate one by executing fg |
| 20:44.55 | themill | lxsameer: either exim or postfix will do that quite admirably and both are quite easy to configure |
| 20:44.58 | pozic | Gentoochild: again, _after_ a reboot. |
| 20:45.01 | lxsameer | Gentoochild: try cpufreqd and cpufreq-set tool |
| 20:45.07 | pozic | Gentoochild: Control-Z is basic computer usage. |
| 20:45.13 | Gentoochild | pozic: that's totally different. Then the program will have to support it |
| 20:45.20 | Gentoochild | i.e. save its current state on disk |
| 20:45.24 | lxsameer | themill: i thinks i have to stick with postfix thats |
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| 20:45.39 | neilk | i'm pretty sure it's a bad, bad idea to abort ntfsresize |
| 20:46.03 | Gentoochild | lxsameer: I have cpufrequtils installed. cpufreq-set works on the console |
| 20:46.09 | pozic | neilk: yes, but it seems kind of stupid to have dangerous operations to begin with. |
| 20:46.21 | pozic | neilk: there is no fundamental reason for this limitation, right? |
| 20:46.31 | Gentoochild | why do you wanna pause it and resume after a reboot in the first place? |
| 20:46.41 | neilk | sometimes there's no choice |
| 20:46.52 | pozic | Gentoochild: the weather can change for example. |
| 20:47.02 | Gentoochild | oO |
| 20:47.20 | neilk | they could probably modify it to save the system state, but that could also have some unintended disastrous effects if the ntfs partition happened to be somehow changed in the interim |
| 20:47.48 | pozic | neilk: but they could set a flag and modify the ntfs driver to disallow that. |
| 20:47.58 | pozic | neilk: at least, a decent operating system would do that. |
| 20:48.14 | pozic | neilk: but in Linux nothing is integrated. |
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| 20:49.22 | pozic | How do other OSs do that? |
| 20:49.33 | neilk | i was thinking more like if you 'paused' the ntfs job then booted into windows, accidentally or otherwise |
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| 20:50.32 | pozic | neilk: the magic number could be changed. |
| 20:50.35 | lindenle1 | Hi all I have a hp elitbook and I hate the location of the control key, I am used to it being where the FN key is. Can I switch this in the OS or window manager? |
| 20:50.42 | pozic | neilk: that way Windows won't even recognize it. |
| 20:50.53 | neilk | you're describing a sensible patch to ntfsresize, you should write it |
| 20:50.58 | lindi- | lindenle1: probably only in the EC |
| 20:51.02 | ola | So, has anyone found out what Knuth's "Earthshaking announcement" was yesterday? I have looked around the blagowebs, and found naught but jokes. |
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| 20:51.25 | pozic | ola: AFAIK, it was an epic troll. |
| 20:51.33 | neilk | lindenle1: take a look at xmodmap |
| 20:52.03 | ola | pozic: If so, very epic. |
| 20:52.42 | pozic | neilk: does the donation model of software development actually work? |
| 20:53.16 | lindenle1 | neilk: I think we have a problem... the FN key does not show up in xkbevd |
| 20:53.17 | pozic | neilk: I have the impression it does not. I don't mind writing useful software, but it would cost me time, and my time is not free. |
| 20:53.22 | neilk | the existence of ntfsresize tends to suggest that it does |
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| 20:54.27 | neilk | hm, i think a laptop's Fn key may not actually be visible at the system level |
| 20:54.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't think that the donating thing really works |
| 20:54.36 | pozic | neilk: that might just be that they wanted to fix a problem for themselves and had as a goal to reduce dependence on MS OSs, which might have a positive effect on their business. |
| 20:54.49 | neilk | pozic: yeah, well, you want to fix a problem for yourself, don't you? |
| 20:54.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | but there are other ways to make money to pay oss devs |
| 20:55.05 | pozic | neilk: in my case it is already too late. |
| 20:55.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | a lot of companys are activly developing for the linux kernel |
| 20:55.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | and paid devs do that work |
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| 20:55.46 | pozic | Paid devs only do the work to make whatever business process working. |
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| 20:56.07 | pozic | Things like this are never fixed, because nobody has the economic incentive to do so. |
| 20:56.21 | pozic | Globally it would be better, if someone would do it, though. |
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| 20:56.41 | pozic | Micropayments could help, I think. |
| 20:56.45 | njbair | I have a working kerberos/ldap server set up and I am logging in to my desktop using those credentials. Is it really a good idea to use usermod -p '*K*' to force an invalid password on the local machine? |
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| 20:58.12 | pozic | neilk: I might implement it some day, since it would build reputation. |
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| 20:59.04 | pozic | How can I see the clocktime a process has been running? |
| 20:59.09 | pozic | Er walltime. |
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| 21:00.09 | jordanm | pozic: walltime? |
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| 21:00.42 | jordanm | pozic: ps can give the time that it started |
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| 21:04.46 | Gentoochild | themill: thanks about the oftc hint. My server was set to netsplit.de for #debian-kde |
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| 21:06.50 | pozic | jordanm: thanks, I got it. |
| 21:07.54 | Lantizia | How come even the Lenny MySQL has latin as the default not utr8? |
| 21:08.39 | eryn_1983 | this sucks |
| 21:08.50 | eryn_1983 | pam must be beyond my kung fu skills sigh |
| 21:09.01 | themill | Lantizia: that's the upstream default and you risk breaking people's databases by changing that default. It'd be nice to have that changed for new installations though. |
| 21:09.36 | Lantizia | themill, do you risk anything however? utf8 can store |
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| 21:09.41 | Lantizia | can store whatever latin can |
| 21:09.58 | themill | Lantizia: not in the same encoding it can't |
| 21:10.00 | Lantizia | so if something mindlessly makes a database without specifying charset it shouldn't matter |
| 21:10.11 | njbair | My desktop gets its auth/nss from a kerberos/ldap server on my home network. How can I make it fall back to /etc/passwd if the server goes down? |
| 21:10.18 | Lantizia | themill, don't follow |
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| 21:10.58 | neilk | njbair: edit /etc/nsswitch.conf and add 'files' to the end of the 'passwd:' line (and whatever other lines) |
| 21:11.19 | themill | Lantizia: characters that are in the default character set used by mysql are encoded differently in utf-8, so you'd end up with broken data. |
| 21:11.53 | njbair | neilk, thx |
| 21:12.42 | Lantizia | themill, you've on about conversion though |
| 21:12.46 | Lantizia | themill, I'm not |
| 21:13.00 | themill | Lantizia: [22:08] <themill> Lantizia: that's the upstream default and you risk breaking people's databases by changing that default. It'd be nice to have that changed for new installations though. |
| 21:13.16 | Lantizia | I don't need reminding what you've said |
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| 21:13.54 | Lantizia | You don't risk anything |
| 21:14.19 | Gentoochild | lxsameer: thanks, indeed I had to install cpufreqd. I can now select a governor in powerdevil |
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| 21:14.46 | Gentoochild | now I only have to see if it actually has an effect *g* |
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| 21:15.31 | themill | Lantizia: what exactly do you propose then? |
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| 21:16.09 | Gentoochild | KaffeeJunky123: do you have cpufreqd installed? If not, perhaps itĆ¢ĀĀll also solve your problem |
| 21:16.39 | Lantizia | themill, utf8 is the default... anything making a database not specifying any charset won't have an issue if it worked with latin before... changing the default won't change existing databases over to utf8 |
| 21:16.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | Gentoochild: let me check that |
| 21:16.43 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: it's certain that utf8 *should* have been the default since the beginning, but there are all kinds of reasons why that can't be done |
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| 21:17.02 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: and yes, there are issues; one of the most prominent being CHAR() types |
| 21:17.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | Gentoochild: didn't have it, thanks |
| 21:17.14 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, why is that an issue? |
| 21:17.15 | Gentoochild | :) |
| 21:17.28 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: because a character which took one byte in latin-1 could take two or more in utf8 |
| 21:17.29 | themill | Lantizia: which part of that is not encompassed by exactly what I said? |
| 21:17.39 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, again doesn't matter |
| 21:17.49 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: it certainly does for legacy databases |
| 21:18.00 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, I'm NOT ON about legacy databases! |
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| 21:18.14 | Lantizia | they can stay at latin1 all they want |
| 21:18.15 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: well, then change the default for yourself; it's pretty easy to do |
| 21:18.26 | Lantizia | if a database is utf8 but is supposed to be latin1... if something writes to it - it'll write to it correctly |
| 21:18.43 | themill | umm... no it won't. |
| 21:18.46 | Lantizia | themill, I love how you can purposely miss a point to start a fight |
| 21:19.28 | themill | Lantizia: I was going to say the opposite. I agreed with you at the start and said "It'd be nice to have that changed for new installations though" and you chose to tell me that I was talking about conversions etc and that you were right and I was wrong. |
| 21:19.34 | lxsameer | Gentoochild: np :) |
| 21:19.46 | Gentoochild | though it has no effect at the moment |
| 21:19.48 | Gentoochild | *g* |
| 21:19.49 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: it'll only write to it correctly if it has specified the characterset of the incoming data correctly |
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| 21:20.14 | Gentoochild | cpuinfo still says 2GHz, even though sysfs tells me that the current governor is ondemand |
| 21:20.17 | themill | and it will get collation wrong on any order by command |
| 21:21.04 | lxsameer | Gentoochild: what is your problem exactly? |
| 21:21.25 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, doesn't need to |
| 21:21.46 | Gentoochild | lxsameer: at the moment both cores run at max frequency, even though the governor (according to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor) is set to "ondemand" |
| 21:22.02 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, lets say a php web site tells mysql to make a database but doesn't say what charset and it makes it as utf8... it starts filling it with data... it'll just store as utf8 - no problem |
| 21:22.14 | Riviera | 8) |
| 21:22.15 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, if the default is latin1 and then you change the charset later to utf8 then you have an issue |
| 21:22.19 | Gentoochild | perhaps I missed something after installing cpufreqd, which an old-fashioned reboot can fix :) |
| 21:22.54 | lxsameer | Gentoochild: do you try cpufreq-set -g powersave ? |
| 21:22.56 | themill | Lantizia: so now you agree with what we've both said ten minutes ago, can we move on? |
| 21:23.05 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: you also have an issue if you try to write latin-1 directly to a database that is utf-8 without specifying that you're sending latin-1 to the databsae. |
| 21:23.10 | Gentoochild | lxsameer: yes,m thouh I used ondemand |
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| 21:23.34 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, ok what do you mean by "directly"? |
| 21:23.34 | Gentoochild | -g powersave has no effect, either |
| 21:23.40 | lxsameer | Gentoochild: can you change governor at all ? |
| 21:23.51 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: writing SQL which contains text which is encoded in latin-1 instead of utf-8 |
| 21:24.16 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, i.e. latin1 is specified? |
| 21:24.23 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: no, it's assumed. |
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| 21:24.33 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, then no problem |
| 21:24.34 | Gentoochild | lxsameer: at the moment, I can't for some reason. The governors are available at least |
| 21:24.36 | seba | hi |
| 21:24.43 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, any chars latin1 does, utf8 does |
| 21:24.49 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: yes, but not without translation |
| 21:24.55 | Lantizia | no translatiomn |
| 21:24.58 | themill | Lantizia: only if you do a conversion, and you can only do that if you specify the charset |
| 21:25.07 | themill | thinks Lantizia has confused latin1 with ascii |
| 21:25.08 | lxsameer | Gentoochild: does cpufreqd is running ? |
| 21:25.11 | seba | i have a problem with installing mysql-server on debian lenny.. I'm always getting "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!" |
| 21:25.15 | Gentoochild | lxsameer: yes |
| 21:25.39 | Lantizia | all the characters in latin1 ARE IN utf8 |
| 21:25.39 | seba | when i try to start it manually it sais "100701 23:25:24 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address" but no other programm is using port 3306 |
| 21:25.41 | Lantizia | the end |
| 21:25.59 | Lantizia | you write something mean to be stored in a latin1 database, it'll write to a utf8 database just as well |
| 21:26.02 | themill | Lantizia: not at the same code point. Hence translation is required. |
| 21:26.22 | Lantizia | you wouldn't give every keycode per every letter! |
| 21:26.27 | Lantizia | thats just stupid |
| 21:26.54 | lxsameer | Gentoochild hhhhhhhhmmmmm as you said before may be you have to use old fashion stuff ( rebooting ) :) |
| 21:26.55 | rottenrecords | is it possible to use HAL or ACPI to suspend a server at a specific time each day? |
| 21:27.01 | neilk | seba: perhaps it's trying to bind to a certain IP address? |
| 21:27.03 | Gentoochild | indeed, brb |
| 21:27.46 | neilk | rottenrecords: 'suspend' and at or cron |
| 21:27.48 | seba | neilk, lo was down ;) thx |
| 21:27.55 | rottenrecords | neilk: ah, good thinking |
| 21:28.07 | rottenrecords | that was a silly question |
| 21:28.11 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: there is a huge difference between sending 0xC383 and 0xC3 on the wire... |
| 21:28.43 | neilk | oh wait, suspend isn't what i thought it was |
| 21:29.12 | rottenrecords | well, i could just use shutdown with cron/at |
| 21:29.25 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, but you wouldn't send 0xc383 or 0xc3 ... you'd send A |
| 21:29.29 | Lantizia | or whatever |
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| 21:29.43 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: uh... how do you think ĆĀ gets encoded? |
| 21:29.45 | Lantizia | the connection to mysql itself has a charset mode |
| 21:29.45 | neilk | does shutdown suspend? i think 'apm' is what you want |
| 21:29.54 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: yes, which lots of code *doesn't* set. |
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| 21:30.05 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, and again doesn't matter |
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| 21:30.42 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: absolutely it does; if the code assumes that ISO8859-1 is the default, and doesn't set the mode, it isn't going to work if the default is changed to UTF-8 |
| 21:31.09 | dondelelcaro | hopefully that clears it up; if it isn't, I suggest reviewing how character encodings actually work, because nothing I'm going to say will be clear |
| 21:31.16 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, yes it is! |
| 21:31.27 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, it'll work fine because the connection will handle it |
| 21:31.33 | themill | Lantizia: you do realise that the letters are represented by numbers as a code point, don't you? |
| 21:31.45 | Lantizia | themill, no I only started using a PC yesterday |
| 21:31.51 | themill | thought so. |
| 21:31.55 | Lantizia | themill, please... had enough - really, go away |
| 21:32.48 | rottenrecords | neilk: how do i use apm? do i need to recompile the kernel with it? |
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| 21:33.08 | neilk | or use a kernel module. is it telling you 'No APM support in kernel'? |
| 21:33.09 | themill | Lantizia: You've had two people who deal with these sorts of encoding issues on a regular basis try to explain to you that the encodings are a problem and that the same number means different characters in different character sets, hence without knowing the character set, you don't know what the character actually is. There's nothing more we can add. |
| 21:33.20 | themill | Lantizia: And I don't intend to go anywhere. Deal with it. |
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| 21:33.27 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, app wants to sent "Hello" and opens up a mysql connection... default mode for transferring data is UTF8... default for saving it is UTF8 - thus works fine |
| 21:34.13 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, even if app specifies mode latin1 for sending data but doesn't specify how to store... mysql will handle the rest |
| 21:34.13 | rottenrecords | neilk: no, i just don't even know what apm is or how to use it. i googled it and saw someone mentioning recompiling the kernel with it. |
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| 21:35.05 | neilk | oh. 'apm --suspend' is supposed to suspend. i don't know if another step is recommended when suspending, though., |
| 21:35.06 | rottenrecords | apm/sudo apm/man apm don't turn up anything |
| 21:35.24 | rottenrecords | i think i might need to install the module |
| 21:35.37 | neilk | apt-get install apmd |
| 21:35.41 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: the problem is if the application doesn't specify ISO8859-1 and assumes that's what it should be talking, because that's the default for mysql. |
| 21:35.50 | themill | Lantizia: "if an app specifies mode latin1" is where this falls down. Most don't, as dondelelcaro said earlier -- they rely on mysql doing what it always has done |
| 21:35.50 | rottenrecords | gotcha |
| 21:35.50 | neilk | and: You need to boot the kernel with the "apm=on" option if you want to enable the driver. |
| 21:36.00 | rottenrecords | alright |
| 21:36.10 | Lantizia | themill, thats why I said.... IF |
| 21:36.23 | Lantizia | dondelelcaro, so!? |
| 21:36.31 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: sure; and we're telling you that's an invalid assumption in a lot of cases, which is why the default is what it is |
| 21:36.53 | Lantizia | your assuming mysql can't handle latin1 to utf8 |
| 21:36.54 | Lantizia | when it can |
| 21:37.00 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: it can if you *tell* it to |
| 21:37.06 | Lantizia | don't need to! |
| 21:37.07 | themill | and only if. |
| 21:37.20 | Lantizia | only for existing data would you need to |
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| 21:37.23 | dondelelcaro | Lantizia: uh... you certainly do; anyway, this conversation is rapidly becoming off topic for #debian |
| 21:37.37 | Lantizia | for new data it'd handle it |
| 21:37.54 | Lantizia | whatever mode it's in for connecting either latin1 or utf8 |
| 21:37.55 | themill | Lantizia: see if the guys in #mysql are interested in explaining the several different encoding steps that are required. |
| 21:37.58 | Lantizia | or neither |
| 21:38.19 | Gentoochild | lxsameer: hmmm... now it's getting strange. Upon booting, cpufreqd fails to start, but I can start it later by hand. But still, my CPU keeps clinging to its max frequency |
| 21:38.42 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: can you manually change the frequency? |
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| 21:38.55 | Gentoochild | and when I then restart hal and kde, even the suspend to ram function is gone from powerdevil |
| 21:39.07 | Gentoochild | dondelelcaro: no, not at the moment |
| 21:39.31 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: hrm; well, that's the first thing to figure out... until you can manually change the frequency, cpufreqd won't be able to either |
| 21:39.32 | Gentoochild | I tried setting it to 1GHz, after which it shortly switched to 1,7, but then staight back to 2GHz |
| 21:39.45 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: oh, if it changed at all, then you can set it |
| 21:40.08 | Gentoochild | I must have borked something in my setup within the last 24 hours or so |
| 21:40.11 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: what is the output of cpufreq-info? |
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| 21:40.22 | Gentoochild | because usually I always run at 1GHz to aviod fan noise |
| 21:40.32 | dondelelcaro | (if you already gave it to us, just point me at the link) |
| 21:40.37 | Gentoochild | dondelelcaro: lots of lines |
| 21:40.44 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: yeah, use a paste site |
| 21:40.48 | Gentoochild | yes |
| 21:41.26 | Gentoochild | http://pastebin.com/i6VftCZ3 |
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| 21:41.58 | rottenrecords | neilk: i add that to the "# kopt=root=/dev..." line right? |
| 21:42.19 | sponzor | i do /etc/init.d/hostname restart and get replay Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) ... |
| 21:43.13 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: that looks about right; the percentagges indicate that it's steping the processor appropriately |
| 21:43.43 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: though it looks like you've set --min incorrectly |
| 21:43.59 | qq- | sponzor, is "hostname.sh" .. |
| 21:44.23 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: run cpufreq-set --min 1000; cpufreq-set --min 1000 --cpu 1; |
| 21:44.51 | Gentoochild | whoah, the fan immediately went slower |
| 21:45.07 | Gentoochild | strange. Something must have mis-set this |
| 21:45.42 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: yerp |
| 21:46.06 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: current policy: frequency should be within 2.00 GHz and 2.00 GHz. |
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| 21:46.14 | Gentoochild | yep |
| 21:46.30 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: that's the line that indicates what the problem is; I'm not sure what set it (since I don't use any of the GUI cpufreq tools) |
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| 21:47.01 | neilk | rottenrecords: yeah |
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| 21:49.10 | Gentoochild | ok so now I'm gonna find out what's wrong with hal. as mentioned, after restarting it, even the suspend options were gone from powerdevil. |
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| 21:56.23 | Gentoochild | ok, so now I can set governors in the console and they do have the desired effect (testing with some mencoder work) |
| 21:59.05 | Gentoochild | powerdevil seems to work at the moment, too. Funnily tough, cpufreqd is not running at the moment, according to ps aux, only /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-cpufreq |
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| 22:11.13 | yacoob | Hmm. Why am I getting sec_error_untrusted_issuer for https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html ? |
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| 22:23.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, why are you |
| 22:23.50 | rottenrecords | neilk: No go. I tried apm=on / acpi=off apm=on / acpi=off and i tried putting it on both the "#kopt" and "kernel" lines (separately). Should I try putting it on both the #kopt line AND the kernel line at the same time? |
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| 22:24.54 | neilk | hmm, if the line starts with a # then it isn't being used. i think remove the # |
| 22:25.04 | rottenrecords | ohh... |
| 22:25.07 | rottenrecords | duh |
| 22:25.11 | rottenrecords | lemme try that |
| 22:27.10 | yacoob | CutMeOwnThroat, well, because root CA is not in system keyring. Wonder how that happened, were there any changes recently? |
| 22:27.30 | yacoob | (on the server side, I can squeeze information about my system on my own :) |
| 22:27.47 | DevNullnDull | jhutchins_lt: do you install just the lstp-server or the server-standalone, when install lstp? I can use what ever DHCP right. |
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| 22:38.22 | rottenrecords | neilk: It still says "No APM support in kernel." Is there a way to do this with ACPI instead? |
| 22:39.10 | jae | I googled and googled... but no dice: |
| 22:39.34 | neilk | try: dmesg | grep -i apm |
| 22:39.35 | jae | I can't seem to create a *second* encrypted container with cryptseup |
| 22:39.39 | jae | +t |
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| 22:39.56 | rottenrecords | neilk: it doesn't return anything |
| 22:40.25 | rottenrecords | do you want me to pastebin my menu.lst? |
| 22:41.25 | jae | Only get "Command failed with code 22: Invalid argument" |
| 22:41.41 | neilk | you could probably try to use ACPI instead.. |
| 22:41.56 | rottenrecords | alright, i'll try that |
| 22:43.34 | jae | For those interested (har har): I want to use LUKS, so I do luksFormat /dev/loop1 |
| 22:43.56 | jae | A "classic" create command to cryptsetup works |
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| 22:45.58 | Tramp | jae: and "losetup /dev/loop1" says what? |
| 22:47.01 | jae | Tramp: /dev/loop1: [0804]:2343194 (/home/jae/test.vol) |
| 22:47.10 | rottenrecords | neilk: Cool, the pm-hibernate script works. |
| 22:47.31 | neilk | oh good |
| 22:47.37 | neilk | you want hibernate rather than sleep? |
| 22:47.39 | rottenrecords | now i just need to setup wake on lan |
| 22:47.45 | rottenrecords | neilk: what's the difference? |
| 22:48.28 | rottenrecords | i just want to put the server in an energy-saving mode during off-hours so that it's not wasting energy and putting out heat |
| 22:48.33 | rottenrecords | so whichever is more energy-efficient |
| 22:49.08 | rottenrecords | hibernate pages memory to disk, and sleep doesn't, right? |
| 22:49.13 | neilk | hibernate doesn't use any energy while it's off but it needs to dump the contents of RAM to disk and reload them |
| 22:49.13 | Tramp | jae: hmm. and "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/loop1" gives you the error above? |
| 22:49.29 | rottenrecords | yea, i think that's what i want |
| 22:49.29 | neilk | and sleep uses enough energy to keep the RAM active so the contents are still there when you wake |
| 22:49.48 | neilk | so, probably hibernate unless you want it to wake up fast or if you're disk space challenged |
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| 22:50.14 | rottenrecords | nah, wake time doesn't matter. and we have plenty of disk space. |
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| 22:51.26 | karsten | rottenrecords: there's also the hybrid mode -- computer suspends, but records memory to disk in the event power is cut. Gives you either option. |
| 22:51.40 | karsten | rottenrecords: And IME wake time matters ;-) |
| 22:51.41 | rottenrecords | interesting |
| 22:52.12 | rottenrecords | karsten: well, if i can get WakeOnLan to work and have it wake automatically before i get to the office, then it shouldn't make any difference to me. |
| 22:52.24 | neilk | if you've got a big amount of ram wake time can be substantial, but, yeah that |
| 22:52.28 | rottenrecords | but it's good to know there's the hybrid option |
| 22:52.47 | karsten | rottenrecords: What does this server serve? |
| 22:52.58 | rottenrecords | http/ssh/sftp/svn |
| 22:53.00 | rottenrecords | that's about it |
| 22:53.07 | rottenrecords | oh and mysql |
| 22:53.20 | karsten | rottenrecords: And there's never a need for off-hours access? |
| 22:53.33 | rottenrecords | there might be, but right now i can't even access it from home or anything |
| 22:53.42 | rottenrecords | i need to install dd-wrt on the router |
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| 22:53.47 | karsten | sees a foot with a large target on it, and tries to resist the urge to shoot.... |
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| 22:54.09 | rottenrecords | hey, leave my foot alone |
| 22:54.14 | karsten | rottenrecords: For a single server, what kind of energy savings are you looking at? |
| 22:54.22 | rottenrecords | it's not me karsten |
| 22:54.24 | rottenrecords | it's my boss |
| 22:54.30 | karsten | rottenrecords: Well, I think you're going to find yourself shooting at it RSN.... |
| 22:54.32 | rottenrecords | if i had my way, we'd keep it running 24/7 |
| 22:54.41 | karsten | rottenrecords: PHB? |
| 22:54.44 | jae | Tramp: yes |
| 22:54.59 | rottenrecords | yes |
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| 22:55.39 | karsten | rottenrecords: First order of business is to find out what the power draw on the unit is during the time you think you're not using it. |
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| 22:55.44 | crazy2k_ | Does someone know how to make mutt not show empty mailboxes in ``mutt -y``? |
| 22:56.27 | rottenrecords | karstein: it's a home office. so his biggest concern is noise and heat, i think. |
| 22:56.31 | karsten | rottenrecords: Things like backups and other maintenance generally run overnight. If those are significant enough, they impact daytime usage. You can play with PM tools such as disk hibernate, etc., which should provide some savings. If this were a large datacenter with redundant systems ... |
| 22:56.41 | karsten | ... I could see some win. Single box: prolly not. |
| 22:56.44 | karsten | OK. |
| 22:56.53 | karsten | Anyhow, you've got some stuff to work with. |
| 22:56.59 | neilk | of course, you could also just do backup/maint right before shutdown |
| 22:57.17 | rottenrecords | we still need to work out a backup solution |
| 22:57.20 | Tramp | jae: cryptsetup --version ? |
| 22:57.24 | rottenrecords | our 2TB disks are failing left and right |
| 22:57.28 | jae | Tramp: or rather, no, it doesn't... only adding "-v" gives me this error message |
| 22:57.29 | rottenrecords | 3 drives in the past 2 months |
| 22:57.31 | karsten | neilk: Now I back me up and pray the lord my soul to keep and lay me down to sleep... |
| 22:57.46 | karsten | rottenrecords: Out of how many? |
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| 22:57.56 | rottenrecords | only like 6 |
| 22:57.57 | Tramp | jae: why do you add a random option to cryptsetup? |
| 22:58.06 | rottenrecords | all 3 are hitachi deskstars |
| 22:58.15 | jae | 1.1.2 (2:1.1.2-1) |
| 22:58.23 | rottenrecords | 2 were OEM drives, 1 came out of an external enclosure |
| 22:58.38 | karsten | rottenrecords: We had failure rates similar to that, but out of ~600+ drives in the farm. |
| 22:58.45 | Tramp | jae: yeah. Version does not matter. cryptsetup has no "-v" |
| 22:58.52 | jae | Tramp: sure, "-v" is a random option... |
| 22:58.57 | rottenrecords | karsten: 50%? |
| 22:58.57 | karsten | rottenrecords: Possible bad batch of disks, possible bad environment (power, heat, dirt). |
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| 22:59.10 | karsten | rottenrecords: No. 0.5%. |
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| 22:59.17 | rottenrecords | yea, that's much more reasonable |
| 22:59.21 | neilk | not failure rates but failure count |
| 22:59.21 | karsten | rottenrecords: And dusty old drives too, for the most part. |
| 22:59.24 | jae | Tramp: it doesn't? That's news to me (and to the manpage) |
| 22:59.34 | Tramp | jae: unless there is a "-v" in your version of "man cryptsetup" |
| 22:59.40 | Tramp | jae: no in mine |
| 22:59.42 | rottenrecords | karsten: one of the 2TB drives had a manufacturing date of Sept 09 |
| 22:59.43 | Tramp | not |
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| 23:00.04 | rottenrecords | it had been sitting around doing nothing too |
| 23:00.06 | jae | And I didn't add a "random option" (I don't, ever) |
| 23:00.09 | karsten | rottenrecords: I'd do some research on failures close to that date or MFR ID / code. |
| 23:00.17 | karsten | rottenrecords: Meantime, RMA. |
| 23:00.44 | rottenrecords | yea, we're returning them and picking up some caviar greens or something |
| 23:00.53 | poser | i am trying to revert back to an older kernel, but the system never boots. any idea how to get it working again? |
| 23:00.57 | rottenrecords | 1TB not 2TB |
| 23:01.03 | rottenrecords | 2TB doesn't seem very safe these days |
| 23:01.18 | Tramp | jae: I'm still on 1.1.0-rc2, but I can't find an addition of a "-v" option in the Changelog - what is it supposed to do according to your manpage? |
| 23:01.57 | jae | Tramp: I only added -v (for "verbose"... and which version do you have installed, anyway?) after the "luksOpen" gave me "not a valid LUKS device" |
| 23:03.05 | jae | If I do X (and X had worked previously), and then do Y (which also had worked previously) then I deduce that X must have failed, even if it does't give me an error |
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| 23:04.41 | sponzor | i did a fresh install and when it reboots after install it says error: fd0 read error. error: file not found. grup rescue> |
| 23:04.54 | sponzor | i did raid 1 for /boot... |
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| 23:05.49 | Tramp | jae: well. Them Changelog does not state that there was a "verbose" option added, but I'm not updating to verify. If you say this option is there but does not work, maybe file a bug |
| 23:06.57 | jae | Oh, the option seems to work... the command itself seems to fail |
| 23:07.24 | rottenrecords | "at" only runs a command once, right? |
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| 23:07.43 | karsten | rottenrecords: Correct. |
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| 23:08.25 | karsten | rottenrecords: 'at' == run command after specified time. 'batch' == run command as soon as possible (restricted by system load). 'cron' == run regularly when specified. |
| 23:08.33 | Tramp | hmm. Funny enough I have to admit that "cryptsetup -v ..." indeed works for me too, though it's not more verbose than without ... |
| 23:08.34 | karsten | rottenrecords: They're all managed by cron ultimately. |
| 23:08.48 | rottenrecords | karsten: and cron will run my jobs regardless of whether i'm logged in, right? |
| 23:08.58 | rottenrecords | the user param just specifies which user it runs as? |
| 23:09.07 | karsten | rottenrecords: any of the above will, yes. |
| 23:09.15 | karsten | rottenrecords: for system crontab, yes. |
| 23:09.36 | karsten | rottenrecords: man 5 crontab |
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| 23:09.58 | rottenrecords | got it |
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| 23:13.14 | Tramp | jae: OK, sorry. I just downloaded and checked the .deb. Indeed the "--verbose -v" option (which apparently was already present in the code) was added to the manpage |
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| 23:14.08 | jae | Tramp: no problem |
| 23:14.24 | Tramp | jae: so I still don't get, what you did to get "Command failed with code 22: Invalid argument" and what you changed, so now it apperently worked but did not yield the correct result. What is the current state? |
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| 23:15.22 | jae | The current state is that I did the exact commands from my shell history, in the proper order, but I can't seem to make luksFormat work |
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| 23:15.44 | sponzor | anyone could help me? |
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| 23:16.21 | jae | The commands from my history did work earlier last month, because I use the encrypted container I created back then daily |
| 23:16.22 | Tramp | jae: ok. so the "cryptsetup -v ..." completed without error? |
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| 23:17.05 | Tramp | or maybe rerun it, to be sure, so we have a defined state |
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| 23:17.20 | rottenrecords | hrmm... any clue why my man pages always have unrecognized characters interspersed occasionally throughout? |
| 23:17.51 | Tramp | ... because I don't know which commands there are in your history and which of them you ran with which results... |
| 23:17.54 | rottenrecords | some of them look like they should be open/close quotes, others might be m-dashes or line breaks |
| 23:17.56 | jae | Did so, multiple times... apparently you need a verbose flag to cryptsetup to actually see that error |
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| 23:18.16 | jae | Okay, I ran (just now): |
| 23:18.40 | jae | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.56 | jae | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.13 | jae | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.24 | jae | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.56 | jae | The luksFormat *appears* to run (no error... not w/o -v it seems) |
| 23:20.15 | Metatron | anyone know a good font manager/browser in the debian repo's? |
| 23:20.30 | jae | But the luksOpen then gave me the "not a valid LUKS device" error |
| 23:20.42 | Tramp | jae: well, after the losetup -f you have to check, that test.vol is indeed assigned to "loop0" |
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| 23:21.17 | jae | I did (okay, maybe not exactly *this |
| 23:21.30 | rottenrecords | Metatron: Konquerer works as a font browser, i believe |
| 23:21.33 | rottenrecords | http://www.leonscape.co.uk/images/snapshots/fonts.png |
| 23:21.36 | Tramp | and luksOpen requires the device (/dev/loop0) of course |
| 23:21.50 | jae | ** time, but my fingers know "sudo losetup -a" inside 'n out |
| 23:22.02 | JordiGH | I have a weird bug on my laptop. Sometimes when I plug in the AC, all processes start consuming insane amounts of CPU and everything slows to a crawl. It fixes itself if I unplug the laptop. Has anyone experienced anything similar? It goes away if I reboot, and I *think* it's related to coming back from a RAM suspend. |
| 23:22.15 | JordiGH | It's an Inspiron 1420, if that's relevant. |
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| 23:22.23 | jae | Tramp: and of course I just mistyped it here... |
| 23:22.37 | JordiGH | Plug in the alternating current [power], not the air conditioner. |
| 23:22.38 | Tramp | *sigh* |
| 23:22.47 | DevNullnDull | what is a best tftp package to use? |
| 23:22.56 | JordiGH | !info tftp |
| 23:22.58 | jae | Tramp: ditto |
| 23:22.59 | Tramp | ok. so you did "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop0 another" |
| 23:23.09 | jae | Of course I did |
| 23:23.12 | Metatron | ah this is minimalist no gnome or kde, ill keep looking |
| 23:23.14 | DevNullnDull | i have installed tftpd-hpa. but i have had problems |
| 23:23.25 | Tramp | jae: what does "file -s /dev/loop0" show now? |
| 23:23.35 | dpkg | tftp: (Trivial file transfer protocol client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.17-17 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 23:24.08 | rottenrecords | Metatron: are you looking for something like Extensis Suitcae? |
| 23:24.19 | rottenrecords | *Suitcase |
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| 23:24.35 | Metatron | just something that lets me browse the fonts and see what they look like |
| 23:24.51 | Metatron | maybe manage them a bit, deleting or adding |
| 23:25.02 | rottenrecords | but you don't use KDE? |
| 23:25.16 | jae | Tramp: "data" |
| 23:25.52 | jae | It should be /dev/loop0: LUKS encrypted file, ver 1 [aes, cbc-plain, sha256] UUID: 0658cd5d-afdc-435d-8489-7229491 |
| 23:25.58 | Metatron | no kde, dont use ghome but i think i have some of the gnome libraries already, maybe gucharmap |
| 23:26.26 | jae | Which is what file-s shows for the device I *previously* and successfully created |
| 23:26.31 | Tramp | jae: bad. I just tried it with the cryptsetup 1.1.2 which I downloaded and could not reproduce the problem. |
| 23:26.50 | rottenrecords | Metatron: maybe try Fontmatrix: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/fontmatrix/about |
| 23:27.07 | jae | *That*'s what's so annoying... I know it worked. With the exact sam commands. And now it doesn't. |
| 23:27.35 | Metatron | i was looking at that, but its not in the repo'si wanted something that would update itself |
| 23:27.39 | Tramp | and with "-v" for the luksFormat you get the aforementioned error, right? |
| 23:27.45 | jae | Right |
| 23:27.45 | Metatron | it does look good though, maybe ill use it anyway |
| 23:27.47 | rottenrecords | i see |
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| 23:29.13 | Metatron | well it says it is in the repo's but apt-cache search missed it hmm |
| 23:29.44 | Tramp | jae: wel .... I get this behaviour EXACTLY when I type anything but the "uppercase yes" on the first question luksFormat asks |
| 23:29.56 | Tramp | jae: you first type uppercase YES, right? |
| 23:30.19 | Tramp | jae: I mean, before you type your passphrase twice |
| 23:30.40 | Metatron | i typed it wrong duh, thanks for helping resolve my "dumbness" |
| 23:31.11 | rottenrecords | bah, i have trouble using apt-cache search a lot of times too |
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| 23:31.52 | dapeamel | hey guys how do I autoreconfigure my sound? |
| 23:32.02 | jae | *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH* |
| 23:32.13 | rottenrecords | get caught in your zipper again? |
| 23:32.15 | Tramp | well, I should have known from the impatience and sloppyness with which you answered my questions that it was a problem like that, so there is nobody else to blame but me. Sorry. |
| 23:32.22 | jae | goes and hits his head against some random wall |
| 23:32.28 | Tramp | yw |
| 23:32.57 | jae | Tramp: oh, thanks for adding insult to injury |
| 23:33.09 | Tramp | yw again |
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| 23:34.58 | jae | Here's hoping I can return the favor some day... |
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| 23:36.01 | lolufail | hi! |
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| 23:36.04 | rottenrecords | sudo apt-get update: "W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C \n W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 23:36.17 | rottenrecords | great... |
| 23:36.18 | lolufail | how's that transparent filesystem called, that reads from disc but only writes to ram? |
| 23:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Tramp -about next |
| 23:36.57 | phogg | lol |
| 23:37.01 | craigevil | rottenrecords: so add the key http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 23:37.06 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 23:37.34 | rottenrecords | craigevil: ah, thanks |
| 23:37.51 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Good thing that I don't do it for the thanks, I just do it for my Karme |
| 23:37.54 | Tramp | Karma |
| 23:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 23:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, karma Tramp |
| 23:38.06 | dpkg | tramp has karma of 1 |
| 23:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, Tramp++ |
| 23:38.42 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: now you make me search my logs ... |
| 23:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 23:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | no good deed goes unpunished... |
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| 23:39.28 | lolufail | anyone :)? |
| 23:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know what's it called... but can't currently recall |
| 23:40.11 | lolufail | I need all writes to the disc to be gone on next boot.. there's some FS that can hold that stuff in ram, but I forgot which, ramfs & ramdisk etc aren't it :( |
| 23:40.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | not in ram... it goes to a separate partition |
| 23:40.29 | lolufail | every livecd must be using it |
| 23:40.32 | Metatron | TFS? |
| 23:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it wasn't ubifs? |
| 23:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, livecd uses ramdisk, afaik |
| 23:41.04 | lolufail | but you can install stuff on livecds, how does that work? |
| 23:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | lolufail, why don't you look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
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| 23:42.38 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought it was "no good deed goes unpolished". |
| 23:43.24 | karsten | lolufail: tmpfs: /dev/shm by default. /tmp if you mount it as a tmpfs. |
| 23:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, http://www.google.com/search?q=%22no%20good%20deed%20goes%22 |
| 23:44.24 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I find myself in much more refined society: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22no+good+deed+goes+unpolished%22 |
| 23:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, that doesn't exist! |
| 23:45.18 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: It's been polished out of existence. But it survives in cache. |
| 23:45.29 | lolufail | http://myhowtosandprojects.blogspot.com/2008/07/install-and-use-unionfs-merging.html |
| 23:45.32 | lolufail | found something ;) |
| 23:45.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, unionfs |
| 23:45.49 | lolufail | looks a little fragile, and I need to do it from dom0, not inside the VM |
| 23:45.52 | lolufail | hmm |
| 23:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | so close, but so no cylindrical thick smoking thingies |
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| 23:46.15 | notlim0 | hola compaƱeros |
| 23:46.23 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: So, you heard about why the Turkish/Iraqi minority resistance movement was refused admittance to the Warsaw Pact? |
| 23:46.25 | notlim0 | alguien podria apoyarme |
| 23:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | lolufail, VMs often have the ability to not permanently save writes to the disk... vmware did |
| 23:46.32 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Apparently, you can't Polish a Kurd. |
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| 23:47.38 | civillian | hehe |
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| 23:49.08 | Tramp | !tell notlim0 -about es |
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| 23:50.55 | sponzor | is this ok? http://yfrog.com/ja02072010134j |||| http://yfrog.com/mk02072010135j |
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| 23:55.40 | sponzor | anyone? |
| 23:56.50 | civillian | ok for what? |
| 23:56.55 | civillian | it's complex |
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| 23:57.13 | sponzor | what should i change? |
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| 23:58.00 | civillian | is it for a desktop? |
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| 23:58.15 | sponzor | server |
| 23:59.06 | civillian | 200GB for home OK I guess |
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| 23:59.52 | sponzor | thats for files backup... i need to know if lvm and raid 1 are ok ? or that isnt good |
