| 00:00.16 | KB1JWQ | sponzor: I run that myself. |
| 00:00.18 | civillian | Can't help you on that although LVM and RAID 1 are good things on their own |
| 00:01.02 | civillian | ouchie |
| 00:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | booing |
| 00:01.02 | KB1JWQ | I've got a RAID 1 array that presents md0. I have a VG that contains that, and section it into various LVs. |
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| 00:02.28 | sponzor | o hope this works.. i m not so sure that the raid1 is correctly expesely the /boot part. should be /boot on lvm or is that ok*? |
| 00:03.11 | KB1JWQ | That's unsupported. Keep a separate /boot. |
| 00:03.17 | KB1JWQ | I also had the /boot raided, but not LVMd. |
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| 00:03.25 | KB1JWQ | Worst case though you can boot from CD. |
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| 00:05.12 | sponzor | ok |
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| 00:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
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| 00:22.15 | sponzor | ok i get error: fd0 read error. , error: file not found. grup rescue> and i install like this http://yfrog.com/ja02072010134j || http://yfrog.com/mk02072010135j |
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| 00:24.03 | PRA3DO | hello |
| 00:24.11 | PRA3DO | by accident i removed udev |
| 00:24.19 | PRA3DO | now i do dpkg -i udev.... |
| 00:24.42 | PRA3DO | but i get an error saying something about a subprocess error |
| 00:24.49 | PRA3DO | i try to force install but i get the same |
| 00:24.53 | PRA3DO | it's not a dependency error |
| 00:25.00 | PRA3DO | how can i really force to install it anyway? |
| 00:25.00 | abrotman | why the hell would you remove udev? |
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| 00:25.29 | PRA3DO | is it possible to make it install again? |
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| 00:28.10 | sponzor | ok i get error: fd0 read error. , error: file not found. grup rescue> and i install like this http://yfrog.com/ja02072010134j || http://yfrog.com/mk02072010135j |
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| 00:40.18 | PRA3DO | no one can answer my question? |
| 00:40.25 | PRA3DO | how can i force to install udev after having removed it? |
| 00:40.37 | streuner | heh |
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| 00:40.41 | streuner | just install it new? |
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| 00:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about you try to work out what the error tells you that goes wrong? |
| 00:41.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | using my incredible psychic abilities, I say that it says someting about pre-install or post-install scripts failing |
| 00:42.07 | streuner | PRA3DO: but anyway, please answer the question of abrotman |
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| 00:42.38 | streuner | there is no reason to remove udev or you know really good what you are doing |
| 00:43.22 | r3c4ll | Hi everybody |
| 00:43.43 | r3c4ll | I need to know if the Open Source version of Zimbra (NOT Network Standard or Pro) can manage/admin/offer multiple domains in a single installation |
| 00:43.55 | r3c4ll | I mean (excuse my bad english) i have only one physical server... and i want to know if i can install Zimbra Open Source Edition on it an have 3 domains of email. (ej. mydom1.com, mydom2.net and otherdom.org)??? |
| 00:43.56 | PRA3DO | streuner, as i said it was a mistake |
| 00:44.06 | r3c4ll | somebody know it? |
| 00:44.25 | streuner | PRA3DO: oh, nm then |
| 00:44.39 | PRA3DO | i got an error and i decided to remove it and install it again |
| 00:44.45 | PRA3DO | what can i do now? |
| 00:44.46 | PRA3DO | no fix? |
| 00:44.52 | PRA3DO | force doesn't make it install |
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| 00:45.20 | xxtjaxx | Hi everyone! I seem to have an issue with stunnel there is no /etc/stunnel/stunnel.pem shipped with it therefore it fails here and breaks affects emacs' vm |
| 00:45.31 | xxtjaxx | and Imap . |
| 00:45.39 | xxtjaxx | should I generate one my self? |
| 00:47.42 | r3c4ll | Someone know if the Open Source version of Zimbra (NOT Network Standard or Pro) can manage/admin/offer multiple domains in a single installation |
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| 00:48.06 | abrotman | r3c4ll: ther eis a #zimbra |
| 00:48.58 | r3c4ll | abrotman, nobody answer then i try here ;) |
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| 00:51.27 | sponzor | ok i get error: fd0 read error. , error: file not found. grup rescue> and i install like this http://yfrog.com/ja02072010134j || http://yfrog.com/mk02072010135j |
| 00:51.28 | sponzor | :p |
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| 00:53.20 | jordanm | !tell sponzor about reinstall grub |
| 00:54.07 | jhutchins_lt | r3c4ll: Try their mailing list. |
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| 00:54.53 | sponzor | tnx |
| 00:55.41 | r3c4ll | jhutchins, ok thnxs |
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| 01:06.38 | PRA3DO | how can i force to install udev after having removed it? |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | you need to figure out why it won't install .. i don't think you've pasted the error to a pastebin yet |
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| 01:13.10 | eli_ | no one in here right now? |
| 01:13.19 | dondelelcaro | eli_: no, no one is here. |
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| 01:17.48 | saz1 | hi, I have a question about making .debs |
| 01:18.08 | saz1 | what's the correct way to add a user to the system for the daemon that's being installed? |
| 01:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | saz1: I cen never remember if it's useradd or adduser, the first I think. |
| 01:18.55 | jhutchins_lt | saz1: Use a locked password. |
| 01:19.06 | saz1 | what's a locked password? |
| 01:19.18 | saz1 | I've been trying to use adduser |
| 01:19.26 | saz1 | which is supposed to be friendlier than useradd |
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| 01:19.53 | jhutchins_lt | One would suspect the man page would be handy for figuring out batch usage. |
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| 01:20.50 | saz1 | well, yeah |
| 01:20.56 | saz1 | I'm using it with --disabled-password |
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| 01:35.48 | LJRuff | My laptop display is very dark when I run Debian. How can I fix this? |
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| 01:36.42 | sponzor | how to add user like this test321:x:1027:100:F test321,,,:/home/users/test321:/home/scripts/egshell.sh ?? |
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| 01:39.19 | qq- | sponzor, worked your fd0 grub error ? |
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| 01:42.59 | Cypris | is there a shell script string encoder? i've looked but all i can find are ones for files. |
| 01:43.14 | sponzor | qq-: i m installing it fresh. i think that my raid configuration was to complicated. i will see in 10m if it will work. for user question is for another sevrver. i need to add mail user. |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | encoded how? |
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| 01:43.49 | Cypris | abrotman, u familiar with mirc? |
| 01:43.50 | zebradog | Cypris, huh? |
| 01:43.54 | zebradog | lol |
| 01:43.56 | zebradog | mirc |
| 01:44.12 | Cypris | well if u |
| 01:44.38 | jhutchins_lt | LJRuff: You may be having a problem with the power management setting, or it may be something that xrandr would help with. Gnome and KDE have randr applets. |
| 01:44.42 | zebradog | Cypris, asking a windows app question on a linux channel. congrats to you. |
| 01:45.07 | Cypris | ever scripted in mirc, it has an identifier for encoding/decoding, i.e hello can be encoded into aGVsbG8= |
| 01:45.08 | LJRuff | jhutchins_lt, I have GNOME. Just apt-get install xrandr? |
| 01:45.32 | jhutchins_lt | LJRuff: Dunno what the gnome one is, I avoid gnome like the plague. |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | Cypris: and what? |
| 01:46.01 | Cypris | im looking for something in bash that can do the same thing. |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | the exact same thing ? |
| 01:46.29 | Tramp | Cypris: that's base64 |
| 01:46.32 | jhutchins_lt | Bash is a scriptable shell. |
| 01:46.41 | jhutchins_lt | mirc is an irc client. |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | $ echo hello | base64 |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | aGVsbG8K |
| 01:47.13 | jhutchins_lt | I fail to see the connection. Are you trying to run something like an irc script in a shell, or are you trying to get an irc script in a linux irc client? |
| 01:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he's trying to confuse us :) |
| 01:47.38 | Tramp | yeah, because of the additional newline |
| 01:47.39 | Cypris | no i was using mirc's $encode as an example |
| 01:47.41 | zebradog | jhutchins, he wants to use linux for hacking, or try to create a kiddie script |
| 01:47.50 | abrotman | i just did it .. i don't see the problem |
| 01:48.09 | Cypris | ........ |
| 01:48.15 | Cypris | excuse me, tramp? lol |
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| 01:48.31 | Tramp | yeah, I get that often |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | watches the whole conversation devolve |
| 01:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you collect lawls? |
| 01:49.05 | Metatron | i have a string, two tin cans, can i get help on a script for that? |
| 01:49.39 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Karma, lols (or rofls) and all that stuff |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | Metatron: ... --- ... |
| 01:49.55 | Metatron | or if not, how about help disabling dri in xorg.conf, nothing i do disables it, i even rename the *dri.so files and it still loads |
| 01:50.11 | Mordbrann | how do I determine what chipset a particular snd_hda_intel audio device is using? |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | lspci -nn might help |
| 01:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Metatron, well... did you switch the switch on the side of the computer from "more magic" to "magic"? |
| 01:50.32 | Metatron | Mordbrann, lspci maybe |
| 01:50.49 | Metatron | ah crap i was using the mana switch |
| 01:50.58 | Mordbrann | Metatron, done, but it doesn't tell me if it's conexant or ALC267 or what |
| 01:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Metatron, if you (re)move the dri.so and it still loads them, either you move the wrong files or ... more magic |
| 01:51.26 | Metatron | is it built into the motherboard? look up the specs on the motherboard |
| 01:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Metatron, apt-get install tin for the tin-can problem |
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| 01:51.52 | Mordbrann | abrotman, ty, but still no further detail :\ |
| 01:52.11 | phogg | Cypris: http://www.fraglimit.net/~collin/home/text/html_files/dangerous_hacker.html |
| 01:52.35 | Metatron | i swear, the log shows, failing to load *dri.so, and glxinfo still shows direct rendering: yes, ive tried disable "dri" dri "false" noaccel "true" ect ect |
| 01:52.59 | Metatron | did they put some of the dri stuff in another library |
| 01:53.08 | Mordbrann | Metatron, mesa? |
| 01:53.30 | Metatron | the card is ancient at tv tuner, using mach64 |
| 01:53.39 | Metatron | ati i meant |
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| 01:54.48 | Metatron | ive also tried just the ati driver and not mach64 |
| 01:55.05 | Metatron | i thnk mach64 is part of mesa |
| 01:55.05 | Cypris | oh snap, tramp, my bad, i didnt mean to say "excuse me" to you.. i mean it to zebradog. lol |
| 01:55.35 | Tramp | np. These nicks are easy to confuse. |
| 01:56.04 | Mordbrann | ugh, I hate alsa |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | Tramp: especially Tramp vs zebradog |
| 01:58.14 | Tramp | yep :) |
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| 02:02.15 | sponzor | i yust dont understand what is wrong with this http://yfrog.com/ja02072010134j || http://yfrog.com/mk02072010135j . i cant get it to work... it wont boot |
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| 02:05.50 | eikenberry | Is there an issue with the openssl package lenny/squeeze connecting to pop.gmail.com? I can connect using openssl on various other machines, just not my squeeze or lenny machines. |
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| 02:06.28 | eikenberry | Could be related to newer versions of openssl. The other machines have older version. |
| 02:07.00 | eikenberry | No, I take that back. Older than the squeeze version but not the lenny version. |
| 02:07.46 | eikenberry | Alternatively does this command work for anyone on a lenny or squeeze machine. For me it just hangs... |
| 02:07.56 | eikenberry | openssl s_client -connect pop.gmail.com:995 -showcerts |
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| 02:09.15 | craigevil | eikenberry: works here but in running sid |
| 02:10.36 | eikenberry | they have the same openssl version... maybe one of its supporting packages. |
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| 02:11.31 | eikenberry | brb |
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| 02:19.23 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... what "Score is 119" means ? |
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| 02:20.43 | p3rror | i need help |
| 02:20.57 | p3rror | i can not mount /dev/cdrom |
| 02:22.07 | p3rror | i got always an error message "mount: /dev/sr0: unknown device" |
| 02:22.44 | craigevil | p3rror: tried /dev/cdrom1 ? |
| 02:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | fix the soft-link... |
| 02:23.04 | p3rror | i don't have cdrom1 |
| 02:23.09 | p3rror | only cdrom file |
| 02:23.15 | sponzor | :P |
| 02:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | it shouldn't point to sr0 |
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| 02:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | as far as I know |
| 02:24.05 | cobra-the-joker | hey... what "Score is 119" means in aptitude ? |
| 02:24.42 | qq- | p3rror, try, mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 |
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| 02:25.01 | craigevil | p3rror: what does wodim --devices |
| 02:25.22 | wongbater | cobra-the-joker -- good question and I would like to know too... I only see this when you are uninstalling pkg that has dependancies |
| 02:25.26 | p3rror | 0 dev='/dev/scd0'rwrw-- : 'HL-DT-ST' 'CD-RW GCE-8486B' |
| 02:25.45 | cobra-the-joker | i hope some one answer us :( |
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| 02:25.51 | p3rror | craigevil, what does it mean |
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| 02:25.58 | qq- | p3rror, ^^ |
| 02:26.19 | blackcoffeebomb | Power failure mid upgrade from karmic to lucid. Drive won't mount. Kernel panic. Any help? |
| 02:26.22 | craigevil | p3rror: try what qq just said |
| 02:26.33 | craigevil | blackcoffeebomb: you want #ubuntu |
| 02:26.42 | p3rror | craigevil, got the same error |
| 02:26.44 | blackcoffeebomb | Thanks man |
| 02:26.50 | p3rror | mount: /dev/sr0: unknown device |
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| 02:28.08 | p3rror | wodim: Overview of accessible drives (1 found) : |
| 02:28.12 | p3rror | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:28.29 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: score isn't that important, what it's doing is |
| 02:28.33 | p3rror | wodim find only HD |
| 02:29.16 | wireddd | I am installing debian from a thumb drive onto my netbook, I got all the way through the installer, but it messed up where it put the boot loader, it tried to write it to the thumb drive because it was detected as /dev/sda, when the sdb is actually where it needed to go, what is the easiest way to fix it? |
| 02:29.53 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , i need to what its doing |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | it shows you |
| 02:30.18 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , you meen uninstalling info ? |
| 02:30.29 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: it tells you what it is installing/removing |
| 02:30.45 | cobra-the-joker | aha |
| 02:31.02 | cobra-the-joker | i thought the number is important |
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| 02:35.50 | factor | I get an error on compiling saying I dont have cc1plus. Is this suppose to be a symlink to g++ |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: it just scores it .. but you really want to read what it is doing |
| 02:37.00 | peterrooney | wireddd: have you finished the install yet or not? |
| 02:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, more complicated... it's supposed to be a softlink to /etc/alternatives/c++ |
| 02:37.33 | factor | ok thanks |
| 02:37.59 | wireddd | peterrooney: I have, I didn't realize it till I tried to reboot |
| 02:38.09 | eikenberry | hey... my openssl problem. still doesn't work as a normal user. but it works as root. what would openssl need access to as root to work? |
| 02:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, which is supposed to be a softlink to whatever provides c++ for you (usually g++) |
| 02:38.31 | factor | debian testing did not have it |
| 02:38.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, but you shouldn't have to mess with it |
| 02:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, check the bts |
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| 02:39.11 | thepro4e1er | why is that sometimes when working in vi, i can enter dd and it won't delete the line instead it just beeps at me |
| 02:39.51 | wireddd | you made it mad |
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| 02:42.57 | factor | yes made the link and its ok now |
| 02:43.12 | factor | other errors but not related to that. |
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| 02:48.30 | wireddd | can I do something like boot off of the thumb drive, mount the drive I installed too, chroot it, and then fix menu 1st and do an update-grub or w/e? |
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| 02:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, install build-essential |
| 02:51.39 | wireddd | yes, no, maybe, hell no? |
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| 02:53.25 | abrotman | wireddd: plausible! |
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| 03:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | wireddd, like in... /msg dpkg reinstall grub ? |
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| 03:03.10 | wireddd | yeah |
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| 03:08.56 | factor | <CutMeOwnThroat>thanks will try that |
| 03:09.37 | factor | <CutMeOwnThroat>I have that package already installed |
| 03:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell factor -about nicktab |
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| 03:12.34 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... i installed apache2 and all the required pacakges for a php server ...but yet when i open it in firefox ... it tells me to download !!! ...any suggestions ? |
| 03:13.05 | wireddd | which version of php? |
| 03:13.23 | cobra-the-joker | php5 |
| 03:13.34 | wireddd | I seem to remember there being some magic, I just can't remember what it is |
| 03:13.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !php wants me to download |
| 03:13.46 | dpkg | The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
| 03:13.56 | nsadmin | cobra-the-joker, get good at logwatching, and watch your error and access logs while you do things |
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| 03:14.55 | wireddd | I think you have to edit something to made the apache module load |
| 03:15.57 | cobra-the-joker | wireddd , i have written /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 03:18.41 | wireddd | try restart |
| 03:18.45 | wireddd | instead of start |
| 03:18.53 | cobra-the-joker | wireddd , tried that |
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| 03:21.23 | wireddd | let me rephrase what I said earlier, I think you have to edit something to get apache to load the php module |
| 03:22.14 | wireddd | maybe add a softlink for php into modules-enabled or something |
| 03:22.14 | cobra-the-joker | wireddd , you meen LoadModule line in the apache2.conf ...done that |
| 03:22.46 | qq- | dpkg, php |
| 03:22.46 | dpkg | PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <xampp>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>. http://wiki.debian.org/PHP http://www.php.net/ #php on irc.oftc.net, #php and ##php on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:23.08 | cobra-the-joker | wireddd , the download problem is fixed ( i think ) ...now when i access any .php file (500 internal server error ) |
| 03:23.24 | cobra-the-joker | qq- , i have gone to all of this links |
| 03:23.42 | qq- | yes, my bad |
| 03:27.00 | cobra-the-joker | at last ...it worked |
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| 03:29.07 | factor | lsusb |
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| 03:37.34 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
| 03:37.46 | nsadmin | cobra-the-joker, get good at logwatching, and watch your error and access logs while you do things |
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| 03:38.21 | nsadmin | also find out how you can put things in the error log from your php scripts |
| 03:38.37 | cobra-the-joker | nsadmin , ok |
| 03:38.37 | mnuhmnuh | hi #deb. i've an HP dv4 AMD-64, and i'm trying to get sensors working usefully. sensors-detect finds nothing; sensors repots cpu temp only. lenny. suggests? |
| 03:40.11 | mnuhmnuh | and if you were a doofus with irssi, where would you go to fix that? thx. |
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| 03:41.08 | nsadmin | find out what sensors you actually have and go from there. make sure you get FULL details on ALL aspects of each sensor, what is its range, how to interpret outputs, what chipset, what driver in linux goes with that chipset, where to find that driver if not in the kernel source, how to build |
| 03:41.42 | nsadmin | I'm not a doofus and neither are you. do the work. |
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| 03:43.29 | qq- | nsadmin, now get him a delay to do all that ;) |
| 03:43.55 | mnuhmnuh | nsadmin: :-| i most certainly can be a doofus. we all have our higs and lows. |
| 03:44.30 | sponzor | how to add user like this test321:x:1027:100:F test321,,,:/home/users/test321:/home/scripts/egshell.sh ?? |
| 03:45.11 | fbh | man useradd |
| 03:46.04 | sponzor | common :P |
| 03:46.15 | mnuhmnuh | nsadmin: my desktop box does all this well (E-Live, on a PIV-2.4), reports lots more than sensors does on laptop. suspect sensors/lenny ha[sv]n't caught up yet? not a big deal. just somthing i'm fiddling with. |
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| 03:47.01 | fbh | sponzor: well it gives you all the information you can possibly need for this. |
| 03:48.30 | Carlitos__ | is it tru all channel debian- owner debian group ? |
| 03:48.35 | Carlitos__ | it is true ? |
| 03:48.55 | sponzor | fbh: you couuld typ it fast :)=) |
| 03:49.50 | fbh | sponzor: I could. But just giving you the answer would result in you doing a copy/paste without learning a thing, causing you to ask the same question next time you want to do something similar. |
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| 03:50.57 | sponzor | i cant figure out how to add script to user.. |
| 03:51.01 | sponzor | but you are right |
| 03:51.26 | fbh | set the users shell to be the script and make sure it has rights to it |
| 03:51.45 | fbh | make sure the script has execute permissions |
| 03:56.39 | sponzor | ok i did almost everyting yust one thing i dont understand what is this part :F test321,,, |
| 03:56.59 | fbh | name |
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| 03:57.15 | sponzor | the :F |
| 03:57.26 | Carlitos__ | !ask unaffiliated cloak |
| 03:57.53 | fbh | "F test321,,," |
| 03:58.00 | sponzor | check pastebin the part that i copy i cant get it there.. becose i dont know what is that http://pastebin.com/3ZTbFwBe |
| 03:59.10 | fbh | add this in your useradd flags: -c "F test321,,," |
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| 04:00.16 | sponzor | what does that mean? |
| 04:00.30 | fbh | what command did you use to add that user? |
| 04:01.35 | sponzor | useradd -G users -c "F test321,,," -s /home/scripts/egshell.sh -d /home/users/test321 test321 |
| 04:02.04 | fbh | that should work |
| 04:03.00 | mnuhmnuh | sponzor: test321:x:1028:100::/home/users/test321:/home/scripts/egshell.sh is missing "... ,,,:" |
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| 04:05.04 | sponzor | damn its not at the /home/users.. :) |
| 04:05.27 | sponzor | adding mail user isnt so easy... :/ |
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| 04:06.20 | JordiGH | Sometimes after coming back from a suspend the mouse is completely dead. I imagine some Linux module didn't reload properly. Which one could it be? |
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| 04:07.50 | JordiGH | Just to confirm, it's only the touchpad. I just plugged in a USB mouse and that works. |
| 04:10.08 | Chaoticant | Suspend mode is rather weird on somethings. Can't mount an encrypted drive after coming back. |
| 04:10.57 | JordiGH | Or is it an X driver, not a kernel module? Hm. |
| 04:11.12 | JordiGH | Chaoticant: Yeah, I notice other weirdness. Sometimes the display doesn't come back (!). |
| 04:11.17 | JordiGH | Usually zapping X will fix that, though. |
| 04:11.33 | JordiGH | I wish I could report this stuff, because I don't want it in the squeeze release. |
| 04:11.42 | JordiGH | But I have no idea where to file the report. |
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| 04:13.06 | JordiGH | Aha, I see something in Xorg.0.log about unable to initialise synaptics hardware. |
| 04:13.08 | JordiGH | Hmmm... |
| 04:14.06 | JordiGH | In fact, my Xorg.0.log is crapflooded with messages about being unable to load synaptics.. |
| 04:14.08 | Chaoticant | JordiGH: How about LaunchPad.Net? Isn't that were Ubuntu holds its bug reporting? |
| 04:14.30 | JordiGH | Chaoticant: Uh, did you notice what channel we're in? |
| 04:15.15 | JordiGH | Hm, maybe that crapflooding is just #579699 |
| 04:15.21 | Chaoticant | JordiGH: ...... *nervous cuckle* |
| 04:15.42 | Chaoticant | Sorry, long day. |
| 04:16.11 | wireddd | ls |
| 04:16.14 | wireddd | oops |
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| 04:20.49 | factor | Does the cc1plus also need a linker with a similar name |
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| 04:21.08 | factor | I am having linking problems even after making the soft link from cc1plus to g++ |
| 04:23.06 | JordiGH | factor: Huh? What's cc1plus? |
| 04:23.16 | factor | well I would guess g++ |
| 04:23.25 | factor | I am trying to compile CUDA SDK examples |
| 04:23.36 | factor | which uses nvcc which is fine and cc1plus |
| 04:23.38 | JordiGH | factor: I don't think it's g++... I think it's a backedn library. |
| 04:23.46 | factor | oh ok |
| 04:23.56 | factor | how would I go about fixing or getting that |
| 04:24.08 | JordiGH | factor: Why are you symlinking? |
| 04:24.27 | JordiGH | factor: The g++ package should set up g++ for you. :-/ |
| 04:24.32 | factor | ln s /usr/bin/g++ /usr/bin/cc1plus |
| 04:24.39 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 04:24.43 | JordiGH | doesn't have a /usr/bin/cc1plus |
| 04:25.08 | JordiGH | It's under /usr/lib/gcc... |
| 04:25.17 | JordiGH | factor: What version of Debian? |
| 04:25.21 | factor | testing |
| 04:25.34 | JordiGH | factor: dpkg -S /usr/bin/cc1pluss |
| 04:25.36 | JordiGH | factor: dpkg -S /usr/bin/cc1plus |
| 04:25.55 | JordiGH | factor: *did* you install a g++ package? |
| 04:26.08 | JordiGH | factor: apt-cache policy g++ |
| 04:26.25 | factor | yes |
| 04:26.39 | factor | Installed: 4:4.4.4-2 |
| 04:26.42 | JordiGH | how did you manage to stick cc1plus in /usr/bin ? |
| 04:26.49 | factor | by linking |
| 04:26.52 | factor | symlink |
| 04:26.53 | JordiGH | wtf are you doing?? |
| 04:26.59 | factor | symlinking |
| 04:27.01 | JordiGH | ... |
| 04:27.05 | factor | compiling NVIDIA CUDA code |
| 04:27.08 | JordiGH | factor: aptitude reinstall g++ |
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| 04:27.12 | factor | ok |
| 04:28.27 | factor | <JordiGH>still no go |
| 04:28.49 | JordiGH | factor: What is /usr/bin/g++ pointing to? |
| 04:29.17 | factor | I removed the symlink to g++ I made and now I get gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 04:29.24 | factor | let me see |
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| 04:29.39 | JordiGH | What the hell... |
| 04:29.43 | JordiGH | Can you compile hello world in C++? |
| 04:30.03 | JordiGH | factor: What have you done to your Debian? :-( |
| 04:30.04 | factor | g++4.4 |
| 04:30.10 | factor | I just installed |
| 04:30.19 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 04:30.21 | factor | yes basic c++ works |
| 04:30.23 | JordiGH | Did you install build-essenial? |
| 04:30.29 | factor | yes |
| 04:30.32 | nevyn | factor: update-alternatives --config g++ |
| 04:30.33 | JordiGH | Okay, so you can compile hello world in C++... |
| 04:30.39 | factor | I compile other programs complex ones just fine. |
| 04:30.47 | JordiGH | So what is it you can't compile? |
| 04:30.53 | factor | I compiled synfigstudio yesterday |
| 04:31.00 | factor | NVIDIA CUDA SDKL |
| 04:31.02 | factor | SDK |
| 04:31.10 | JordiGH | What's that? That's not Debian. |
| 04:31.11 | factor | which has its own lib |
| 04:31.13 | JordiGH | What does that do? |
| 04:31.22 | factor | so I can compile CUDA code |
| 04:31.34 | factor | use my nvidia grafics card 3d stuff |
| 04:31.36 | JordiGH | Uh-huh. So did nvidia trash your system? |
| 04:31.41 | factor | nope |
| 04:31.45 | JordiGH | Or just your gcc? |
| 04:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, _why_ do you compile that? |
| 04:31.52 | factor | just the nvidia lib is not working |
| 04:32.00 | JordiGH | I guess you have to ask nvidia, then. |
| 04:32.02 | JordiGH | That's not Debian. |
| 04:32.11 | factor | well I dont have cc1plus |
| 04:32.18 | factor | that is the problem |
| 04:32.22 | factor | c++ I can do |
| 04:32.27 | factor | but cc1plus I cannot |
| 04:32.37 | wireddd | finally got my grub fixed |
| 04:32.45 | factor | was wanting to know where in the world I can get cc1plus installed |
| 04:32.49 | JordiGH | factor: Ask nvidia. You're no longer using Debian. |
| 04:32.56 | factor | What package is part of cc1plsu |
| 04:33.04 | factor | yes I am |
| 04:33.07 | factor | cc1plus is debian |
| 04:33.12 | JordiGH | factor: No. CUDA isn't Debian. |
| 04:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 04:33.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 04:33.15 | factor | but not installed on my system |
| 04:33.30 | JordiGH | factor: Yes it is installed, it's under /usr/lib/gcc like I told you earleir. |
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| 04:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, _why_ do you compile that? |
| 04:33.52 | factor | wel I dont have it though |
| 04:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's libcuda1 and libcuda1-dev |
| 04:34.03 | factor | <JordiGH> |
| 04:34.06 | JordiGH | factor: Then you've trashed your system. |
| 04:34.06 | factor | whoops |
| 04:34.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he's really not using debian... |
| 04:34.27 | factor | What package is cc1plus in |
| 04:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, read the factoid on apt-file |
| 04:34.43 | JordiGH | factor: I told you. It's in g++. |
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| 04:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, what does the output of "dpkg -l libc6 |grep ^ii" give you |
| 04:35.00 | factor | so I need to remove g++ and then reinstall it |
| 04:35.14 | JordiGH | factor: I told you to reinstall it. You said it didn't work. You've trashed your system. |
| 04:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I guess it's not worth saying anything as long as he's never answering anything, actually |
| 04:35.42 | factor | right , but do I actually need to remove it then install it not just reinstall it |
| 04:35.48 | JordiGH | No, you don't. |
| 04:35.56 | JordiGH | factor: It's actually in g++-4.4, but that should have been pulled by g++. |
| 04:36.10 | factor | so should I install 4.1 or someting |
| 04:36.15 | JordiGH | No, it's under 4.4 |
| 04:36.18 | factor | ok |
| 04:36.24 | JordiGH | Actually, it's under all of them. |
| 04:36.36 | JordiGH | But whatever you're doing, it's not Debian, and that's the last thing I'll say about this. |
| 04:36.48 | factor | well cc1plus is debian |
| 04:36.51 | factor | or should be |
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| 04:37.07 | JordiGH | Which nvidia seems to have deleted for you. |
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| 04:37.25 | JordiGH | So ask nvidia why it trashed your system. |
| 04:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | shrugs and walks off |
| 04:37.34 | JordiGH | Yeah, enough. |
| 04:38.19 | factor | the point is I dont think it ever existing in my system |
| 04:38.26 | JordiGH | Enough. |
| 04:38.33 | factor | downloading 4.3 to see if that adds it in |
| 04:38.48 | factor | will notify if I get it |
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| 04:40.27 | factor | yes now I have it |
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| 04:40.32 | factor | I had to install 4.3 |
| 04:40.38 | factor | 4.4 does not have it |
| 04:40.40 | JordiGH | No you didn't. |
| 04:40.41 | JordiGH | Liar. |
| 04:41.01 | factor | YES! |
| 04:41.06 | factor | thanks for the help works now |
| 04:41.18 | craigevil | g++-4.3: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3/cc1plus |
| 04:41.26 | factor | would not have known where to look for it but 4.4. doe snot have it |
| 04:41.32 | JordiGH | Liar. |
| 04:41.40 | craigevil | g++-4.4: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4/cc1plus |
| 04:41.58 | JordiGH | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/g++-4.4/filelist |
| 04:42.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | craigevil, I already told him about apt-file... chap doesn't listen |
| 04:42.05 | craigevil | it amazing what apt-file search comes up with |
| 04:42.14 | craigevil | oh well |
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| 04:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not supposed to symlink anything... the packages provide what they provide in a usable manner or one should file a bug |
| 04:51.23 | JordiGH | With nvidia. |
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| 04:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're symlinking around files from package contents you do something wrong |
| 04:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dunno what the chaps was doing |
| 04:52.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have the impression - neither does he :) |
| 04:52.20 | gentgeen__ | I have a remote box that when it is rebooted, Mailman does not start... syslog show nothing.. where else might I look? |
| 04:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | /var/log/messages? |
| 04:52.47 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: is mailman in the init scripts? |
| 04:52.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure what you call 'syslog' |
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| 04:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
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| 04:53.59 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, (assume yes) after a reboot, I do a /etc/init.d/mailman restart |
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| 04:54.27 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: Assume nothing, check! |
| 04:54.37 | gentgeen__ | during that, it says can not find pid |
| 04:55.03 | factor | well I have a interview early tomorrow in the morning in another city so I am off to sleep |
| 04:55.03 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: You're using lenny, of course? |
| 04:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read /usr/share/doc/mailman/README*Debian ? |
| 04:55.23 | gentgeen__ | using Stable |
| 04:55.27 | gentgeen__ | yes... lenny |
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| 04:55.44 | gentgeen__ | CutMeOwnThroat, I have (maybe I missed something) |
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| 04:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should tell you everything debian-specific you need |
| 04:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | this does seem to have a lot of additional help/examples |
| 04:59.01 | gentgeen__ | CutMeOwnThroat, nothing related to startup that I can see |
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| 05:01.23 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, "update-rc.d mailman defaults" -> System startup links for /etc/init.d/mailman already exist |
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| 05:02.43 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: that exhausts my ideas. |
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| 05:10.35 | karlpinc | gentgeen__: Are they the right links? You're starting rather than stopping? It happens after your mta starts? |
| 05:11.05 | karlpinc | gentgeen__: Turn on bootlogd and see what the console says. |
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| 05:12.05 | gentgeen__ | rc1.d/K20mailman rc2.d/S20mailman rc3.d/S20mailman rc4.d/S20mailman rc5.d/S20mailman |
| 05:12.32 | gentgeen__ | I was wondering about that.... Postfix is also "20" and Dovecot is "21" |
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| 05:16.00 | karlpinc | gentgeen__: I've wondered about that too, and don't recall my thoughts. At the moment I'm thinking that mailman should be started first so that it's there when mail arrives. |
| 05:16.26 | karlpinc | gentgeen__: So, it is because m is before p. |
| 05:17.08 | karlpinc | gentgeen__: You checked all the logs? |
| 05:18.55 | gentgeen__ | thought I had.. just "found" /var/log/mailman/* .... |
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| 05:20.06 | gentgeen__ | Jul 02 00:43:52 2010 (2896) Error connecting to MySQL database mailmandb (2003): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'outrigger' (113) |
| 05:20.28 | gentgeen__ | Hmmm... using sql server on different machine.... |
| 05:20.56 | gentgeen__ | so my network is not up when mailman tries to start... so it can't find the DB?! |
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| 05:23.28 | gentgeen__ | maybe just put '/etc/init.d/mailman restart' in my rc.local (so it restarts it after the network is up) |
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| 05:30.54 | karlpinc | gentgeen__: The network should long since be up, but clearly something mysql related is borked. |
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| 05:32.49 | gentgeen__ | well putting it in rc.local seems to have done the trick... not really sure why... |
| 05:33.05 | gentgeen__ | but it is 1:33am here ... so close enough to a solution for now |
| 05:33.47 | nsadmin | , versions libipc-perl |
| 05:33.50 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libipc-perl' was found. |
| 05:34.00 | nsadmin | , versions libipc-run3-perl |
| 05:34.01 | judd | libipc-run3-perl -- etch: 0.036-1; lenny: 0.036-1; sid: 0.042-2; squeeze: 0.042-2 |
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| 05:39.22 | zawzey | hello there, anyone running Debian 5.0.4 on i5s? |
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| 05:48.23 | mattmatt | I found the etch mirrors are available at archive.debian.org what are the sources.list entries for that? I need to upgrade this machine thanks |
| 05:51.31 | mattmatt | ok found it thanks http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 06:18.32 | Devrethman | Is there a bash command that escapes things? I'm trying to write a script that uses a for loop to operate on all the files in a directory, and it doesn't work on files with commas and parens and such in them. |
| 06:20.00 | prince_jammys | Devrethman: what does your command look like? |
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| 06:22.56 | axe | use variable with filename in double quotes |
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| 06:23.25 | Devrethman | That's what I'm doing, it still doesn't work. Let me pastebin the script. |
| 06:23.44 | prince_jammys | how are you generating the list of files? |
| 06:24.59 | Devrethman | http://pastebin.com/P1pGpLUH |
| 06:25.15 | Devrethman | for a in ./* |
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| 06:26.37 | prince_jammys | Devrethman: who throws the error messages? |
| 06:27.01 | prince_jammys | at a glance, this looks OK, unless mplayer/lame are up to something |
| 06:27.12 | prince_jammys | at least the handling of filenames looks fine. |
| 06:27.38 | Devrethman | mplayer just ignores all the files that have commas in them. |
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| 06:29.23 | prince_jammys | ah, right, it uses the comma as a delimiter |
| 06:29.23 | Devrethman | It looks like it's trying to open just the part of the filename before the comma |
| 06:29.43 | Devrethman | Oh, awesome, that means I have to pull out sed, doesn't it. |
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| 06:30.35 | prince_jammys | you could: temp=${a//,/X} ; mv "$a" "$temp" # workaround |
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| 06:31.05 | prince_jammys | unless you see somewhere in mplayer's manual of how the hell they want you to escape a comma. |
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| 06:32.30 | Devrethman | It looks like the problem is in the output section, not the input. |
| 06:32.58 | prince_jammys | right, that's where the comma has a special meaning |
| 06:33.08 | prince_jammys | in the context of mplayer. your bash is fine |
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| 06:55.39 | kminor | someone in here gave me a bogus explanation |
| 06:56.00 | kminor | i asked why my bind9 and dnsutils etc packages were held back with apt-get because i thought it was only due to conflict |
| 06:56.16 | kminor | he said to use aptitude because apt-get wont install new packages needed |
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| 06:56.44 | kminor | yet on my other server using apt-get update upgrade the held back packages on the other server were not held back but installed |
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| 07:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yach well... you're gorn - but essentially anyone can say what they want |
| 07:24.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a darn world and freedom is scary |
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| 07:25.50 | passwordoff | Installation failure. I need help. |
| 07:26.00 | passwordoff | The same trouble |
| 07:26.02 | passwordoff | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/8799 |
| 07:27.04 | passwordoff | This solving way doesn't hit the problem |
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| 07:31.53 | ku0n | hello |
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| 07:32.19 | mjungwirth | hello |
| 07:32.20 | mjungwirth | where can I find information about /sys/class/net/*/features |
| 07:32.33 | mjungwirth | there is nothing in the kernel docu. |
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| 07:36.47 | alcohol | I'd say good morning all, but this heat in the office is killing me. bad morning :\ |
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| 07:47.22 | passwordoff | alcohol: Switch on condition. |
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| 07:47.53 | passwordoff | conditioner |
| 07:48.22 | passwordoff | epic failure |
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| 08:05.46 | gabryfan82 | there are any able that libming1 go to lenny? |
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| 08:10.13 | gabryfan82 | there are any possibility that libming1 go to lenny? |
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| 08:18.14 | dv- | My bash prompt is |
| 08:18.41 | dv- | My bash prompt is \W$, and it works fine, but when I cd into /boot, it changes to bott$. I don't get it |
| 08:19.37 | ThinkRob | Looks like the latest evolution-data-server package broke my S/MIME setup thoroughly and instantly. |
| 08:19.49 | ThinkRob | (squeeze) |
| 08:20.29 | ThinkRob | Does anyone know how to nuke Evolution's certificate DB? It doesn't seem to store them in the cert/key 'db' files in ~/.evolution |
| 08:20.46 | esteel | dv-: should it not be \W\\$ ? |
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| 08:23.29 | esteel | dv-: at least my PS1 looks like this: export PS1="\t \$? \u@\h:\W \\$ " |
| 08:24.37 | dv- | Same result with $ or \\$ |
| 08:24.38 | ku0n | I try to use cgi-fcgi in a boot script but no process are created, if I call my script from the command line after the boot, it works, I enabled the boot log which stays empty, I'm not using any environment variable |
| 08:25.00 | ku0n | is there a way to call a script in the same condition as during the boot to debug? |
| 08:25.46 | esteel | dv-: what does this show? echo $PS1 |
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| 08:35.57 | alcohol | passwordoff: only have one crappy a/c unit on wheels cooling a room 6 times the size it can handle |
| 08:36.29 | karme | whats the typical overhead / slowdown regarding disk i/o of xen/kvm vs "bare metal"? |
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| 08:38.54 | passwordoff | alcohol: So, this is lamentably. But you may know the solving http://www.debianhelp.org/node/8799 |
| 08:40.00 | alcohol | I absolutely do not. |
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| 09:12.53 | flohack | Hi! Can someone please explain how to maintain archives for multiple distributions with apt-ftparchive? |
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| 09:30.11 | passwordoff | Have the same error, any solving? http://www.debianhelp.org/node/8799 |
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| 09:38.23 | tulcod | so in what sense is debian versionless? cause there are releases sometimes, right? if i understood correctly, debian sid is the versionless flavour of debian, is it stable? |
| 09:38.39 | tulcod | or does sid break "often"? |
| 09:39.09 | lindi- | tulcod: the main page has a link to "available versions of Debian" and explanation |
| 09:39.31 | Bushmills | sid breaks all the time |
| 09:39.42 | Bushmills | just not all of it at once |
| 09:39.50 | lindi- | currently for example gnash is broken in sid yes |
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| 09:40.06 | tulcod | hm, bummer |
| 09:41.03 | Bushmills | why? fixing things is more interesting than running things and hoping that they don't break |
| 09:41.20 | tulcod | Bushmills: i'm using gentoo right now, and usually stuff doesn't break |
| 09:41.36 | Bushmills | "usually" = "never" ? |
| 09:41.41 | tulcod | and if it does, you can either fix it yourself or it gets fixed by some devs |
| 09:42.10 | tulcod | Bushmills: no, not never, but packages not running at all, i guess once every two months? |
| 09:42.19 | tulcod | probably less often than that |
| 09:42.21 | Bushmills | ah. "breaks sometimes" |
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| 09:42.52 | Bushmills | though "not running at all" is definitely a grave problem |
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| 09:43.02 | tulcod | Bushmills: well, usually you can fix it yourself |
| 09:43.13 | tulcod | which means you can fix it within minutes or hours |
| 09:43.16 | Bushmills | there are less grave bugs which also causes a package considered "broken" |
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| 09:43.44 | tulcod | Bushmills: well, i've never seen that happen on my system |
| 09:43.49 | tulcod | a package works correctly or not at all |
| 09:44.05 | Bushmills | so, every two months a gentoo packages is completely broken, to the extend that it doesn't run at all? |
| 09:44.20 | tulcod | well, a package /upgrade/ would cause a breakage which makes the package not run at all |
| 09:44.32 | tulcod | which you can fix yourself, like i said, within minutes or hours |
| 09:44.48 | tulcod | but i'm not really here to talk about gentoo, tell me about debian :) |
| 09:44.55 | Bushmills | then i assume that the bugs which break a package, while it still at least starts up occur more frequently |
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| 09:45.18 | tulcod | Bushmills: it's not really a bug, it's usually a linkage problem |
| 09:45.28 | Bushmills | well, sid is roughly comparable to masked |
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| 09:46.03 | Bushmills | and non-masked probably to testing |
| 09:46.41 | gps23 | please suggest me some game similar to Age of Empires in windows for my debian system |
| 09:46.51 | tulcod | Bushmills: but debian testing isn't versionless, is it? |
| 09:46.53 | Bushmills | i don't know of a gentoo equivalent to stable |
| 09:47.41 | Bushmills | tulcod: if by versionless you mean, things changing all the time, then yes. |
| 09:47.52 | tulcod | by versionless i mean, you never have to reinstall :) |
| 09:48.09 | gps23 | tulcod: sid is versionless in this respect |
| 09:48.11 | Bushmills | no. you simply upgrade |
| 09:48.31 | tulcod | okay, that's a clear answer, thanks :) |
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| 09:49.53 | flohack | Hi! Can someone please explain how to maintain archives for multiple distributions with apt-ftparchive? |
| 09:49.55 | flohack | I currently have Directory "pool/$(SECTION)"; set in TreeDefault. Do I have to create separate pool/$(DIST)/$(SECTION) directories, or would you recommend a different approach? |
| 09:52.21 | gps23 | tulcod: if u want that u don't have to worry about new debian versions then u can also follow testing, as sid is much more dangerous |
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| 09:53.04 | tulcod | gps23: well, i'd like to stay up to date, but i really don't want to have to reinstall for that |
| 09:53.57 | gps23 | tulcod: you will be most up to date with sid, with a price to break things now and then. testing is resonably up to date and far less risky to use |
| 09:54.28 | tulcod | gps23: i don't really care about having the latest package within a week, but i definitely don't want to reinstall should i want to update :) |
| 09:54.30 | xyan | if breakage happens in testing it takes much longer to be resolved than it takes in sid though (my opinion) |
| 09:54.47 | gps23 | xyan: thats also true |
| 09:55.16 | gps23 | tulcod: then testing will be good for you. then u can forget about versions etc. just keep on updating your system |
| 09:55.33 | tulcod | gps23: wait, debian testing is rolling release too? |
| 09:56.13 | anarchist | leave |
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| 09:56.16 | gps23 | tulcod: if i'm getting you right, then yes. when new version will come then testing will point to next version after that |
| 09:56.22 | gps23 | tulcod: and so on |
| 09:57.17 | tulcod | gps23: if i installed debian testing in 2000, can i still git the latest glibc without wizardry, that's basically my question :) |
| 09:57.27 | tulcod | s/git/get/ |
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| 09:58.27 | gps23 | tulcod: yes you should |
| 09:58.46 | gps23 | tulcod: with guarantees :) |
| 09:58.50 | gps23 | without :p |
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| 09:59.09 | tulcod | gps23: hm okay, then i guess debian testing would be an option... |
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| 09:59.50 | innociv | Is there a way to test /etc/network/interfaces setup? :/ second time i've locked myself out of my server. |
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| 10:01.22 | xyan | innociv: backup your working interfaces and write a script that restarts networking with your changed version, sleeps some time and restores the working copy ;) |
| 10:01.38 | innociv | Haha complicated. ;x |
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| 10:01.54 | xyan | but foolproof |
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| 10:02.06 | xyan | you write that once instead of locking you out a third time |
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| 10:05.53 | ojm_ | I'm a bit disappointed, Debian Lenny should be pretty stable, eh? |
| 10:06.16 | ojm_ | In Virtualbox, it kernelpanics every now and then, like 1/4 of boots |
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| 10:07.02 | ojm_ | I've only installed the base system without desktop thingies |
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| 10:10.43 | TheBase | hello |
| 10:10.56 | xyan | ojm_: sure its Debian's fault that the kernel panics in a uncommon environment |
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| 10:11.42 | ojm_ | xyan: so, there was no virtualbox back then when debian 5 was made? So that could not have been tested? |
| 10:12.01 | TheBase | How can I install an Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG on Debian? I thought I would need a proprietary driver but I can't find the tool that you have on Ubuntu for it |
| 10:12.25 | xyan | ojm_: i think _real_ hardware is 95% of where Debian runs on |
| 10:13.17 | ojm_ | xyan: probably yes, doesn't still make up for the fact that it's bad that it panics on that 5% |
| 10:13.57 | xyan | TheBase: the kernel should include the driver you have to install the firmware, i think its called firmware-iwlwifi |
| 10:14.08 | xyan | ojm_: sure, but without knowing what the oops was about you cant blame it on the os |
| 10:14.30 | xyan | ojm_: it might also be some problem with your hardware, buggy bios, apic whatever |
| 10:14.49 | ojm_ | Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's firmware-iwlwifi or something like that, I've got a laptop with 3945, it died though so can't confirm |
| 10:15.04 | TheBase | xyan, I only found a firmware-linux-free. Do I need to add the non-free repository? |
| 10:15.23 | ojm_ | xyan: you mean that my eeepc bios, apic whatever affects that much what happens in virtualbox? |
| 10:15.33 | xyan | TheBase: yes its in non-free |
| 10:16.03 | TheBase | xyan, ok. Thanks |
| 10:16.17 | xyan | ojm_: i mean its possible, try to disable io-apic and other extensions in your virtualbox appliance |
| 10:17.16 | ojm_ | nah, it's not that much of a problem because it doesn't happen every time and my project is almost done anyway |
| 10:17.29 | ojm_ | just hoping it will not happen on real hardware |
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| 10:18.58 | xyan | i didnt see a single panic with the stock kernel in years |
| 10:19.05 | plantain | So I installed a minimal debian and it was ~200MB. Then I upgraded to squeeze and it grew to 1.1GB. How do I make it small again? |
| 10:19.25 | xyan | plantain: clean the package cache |
| 10:19.27 | xyan | aptitude clean |
| 10:19.48 | Bushmills | purge unneeded packages |
| 10:19.55 | plantain | I don't have aptitude, should I install and use that instead of apt? |
| 10:20.27 | Bushmills | apt-get clean |
| 10:21.15 | plantain | that didn't appear to do anything |
| 10:21.21 | plantain | well, it's 1GB now |
| 10:21.23 | plantain | rather than 1.1GB |
| 10:21.28 | plantain | where did my other 800MB go? |
| 10:21.36 | Bushmills | dpkg -l |
| 10:21.37 | xyan | you pulled a desktop environment in? |
| 10:21.37 | dpkg | no idea, Bushmills |
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| 10:23.02 | Bushmills | what does dpkg -l|wc -l give as result? |
| 10:23.40 | plantain | 378 |
| 10:24.09 | Bushmills | so, you didn't just change already installed packages to squeeze version, but installed an additional 250 packages |
| 10:24.36 | Bushmills | means, your installation is not that minimal any longer |
| 10:24.42 | plantain | ah. |
| 10:24.45 | plantain | so how do I fix that? |
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| 10:25.00 | Bushmills | remove unwanted packages |
| 10:25.09 | plantain | is there a way to reduce it back to a minimal set? |
| 10:25.14 | plantain | what did I do wrong to make this happen? |
| 10:25.14 | ojm_ | probably easier to install that minimal again :p |
| 10:25.39 | Bushmills | you pressed "Enter" without reading what it would do |
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| 10:25.55 | petemc | !sort by package size |
| 10:25.56 | dpkg | to see a list of installed packages by installed size install dctrl-tools and run 'grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " n" | sort -n' |
| 10:26.10 | plantain | how was I meant to only upgrade my old packages without installing all this? |
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| 10:26.34 | ojm_ | plantain: changing repos to squeeze and apt-get upgrade? |
| 10:26.43 | plantain | that's exactly what I did |
| 10:26.53 | ojm_ | rly? |
| 10:26.56 | xyan | plantain: you can configure apt to exclude recommended packages |
| 10:26.56 | plantain | yes |
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| 10:27.40 | ojm_ | you sure you didn't use dist-upgrade or something? just upgrade? |
| 10:27.54 | plantain | oh. I did do that after, yes |
| 10:28.05 | ojm_ | right, might be because of that I'd guess |
| 10:28.24 | plantain | I thought that was necessary for a distro upgrade |
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| 10:28.49 | ojm_ | if you just change repos and upgrade, it should upgrade all you have installed and can be found in those repos |
| 10:28.52 | russian_ulysses_ | Guys, should radeon driver from current squeeze work with HD5770 chip? |
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| 10:29.08 | xyan | russian_ulysses_: not the free one |
| 10:29.38 | ojm_ | plantain: I'm not totally sure about the function of dist-upgrade, but I'm pretty sure that's the culprit |
| 10:30.12 | russian_ulysses_ | xyan will driver fail completely? I mean, will I get slower X or will I get no X at all with radeon driver? |
| 10:30.22 | ojm_ | could someone here confirm? |
| 10:30.28 | syslq | what debian release would you recommend for laptop. Stable works but it's packages are sooooo outdated? |
| 10:30.52 | xyan | russian_ulysses_: im not sure 2d might be supported but no 3d acceleration, im not even sure if the proprietary driver from ati supports the recent stuff yet |
| 10:30.57 | ojm_ | syslq: I'd go with squeeze probably, or maybe even sidux if you know what you are doing |
| 10:31.26 | syslq | ojm_: I semi know what I'm doing, so testing would be good? |
| 10:31.53 | syslq | ojm_: as in I can solve problem but I dont wish to have too many of them |
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| 10:32.01 | ojm_ | testing isn't bad, sidux isn't really "debian debian", it's unstable made usable |
| 10:32.27 | syslq | ojm_: testing it is then, thanks |
| 10:32.29 | passwordoff | Have the same error, any solving? http://www.debianhelp.org/node/8799 |
| 10:32.35 | ojm_ | there isn't really too many choices for you, stable, testing, or unstable, and if you don't want stable or unstable... |
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| 10:33.16 | syslq | ojm_: yeah, but I dont know how stable is testing :), I've only used stable on servers and ubuntu on laptop untill now |
| 10:33.43 | xyan | passwordoff: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:34.41 | russian_ulysses_ | xyan problem is that actually I getting black screen (monitor goes to standby) when radeon driver specified inside xorg.conf :( And when I starting gdm with no xorg.conf at all, I still getting monitor going standby. Btw, I even can't go into console with Alt-Fn or Ctrl-Alt-Fn. The only thing that works (partially) for me now is fglrx 10.6-1. But it gives grey areas in some apps, e.g., iceweasel. I wonder what exact package caused this. Se |
| 10:34.41 | russian_ulysses_ | ems to me like whole X.org is broken currently in Squeeze for my chip. |
| 10:36.26 | xyan | russian_ulysses_: right according to http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/plain/README the HD5xxx series isnt supported at all so theres nothing todo :/ wait for a fixed fglrx or wait even longer for a working free radeon driver |
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| 10:37.01 | ojm_ | syslq: testing is not too unstable as far as I know, I don't use Debian much though |
| 10:37.34 | syslq | ojm_: :) |
| 10:37.40 | ojm_ | I'd love to use it more, but Ubuntu is too effortless, and I don't have time to hassle with os's for now |
| 10:38.01 | ojm_ | and afaik, ubuntu is based on debian unstable |
| 10:38.04 | russian_ulysses_ | xyan Ok. Then, is there a way to fall back to fglrx 10.5-1? I mean using some pin settings. But considering the fact that I already on 10.6-1 |
| 10:38.09 | syslq | ojm_: mhm |
| 10:38.16 | syslq | ojm_: on debian unstable? |
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| 10:38.40 | ojm_ | yeah, afaik they copy unstable repos to their own and do some magic |
| 10:38.51 | ojm_ | nono, testing :D |
| 10:38.56 | ojm_ | not unstable, sry |
| 10:39.05 | xyan | russian_ulysses_: if you still get that version, install it and pin it with the Version: tag sure |
| 10:39.10 | syslq | ojm_: mah too much functionality depends on gnome in ubuntu |
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| 10:39.51 | ojm_ | syslq: yeah, when I use Ubuntu I use it because it works out-of-box, when I want to use openbox or something, I don't use Ubuntu |
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| 10:39.59 | syslq | mhm |
| 10:40.35 | ojm_ | I distrohop lots and every now and then need to install something that works quickly, that's ubuntu for me |
| 10:40.56 | syslq | ojm_: I just use debian based and rh |
| 10:40.58 | passwordoff | xyan: I'm trying to install Debian lenny from usb. |
| 10:41.00 | syslq | rh at work |
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| 10:41.26 | ojm_ | I've not used rpm distros much |
| 10:42.03 | vot | hi guys im wondering why i cant find this package in debian |
| 10:42.03 | syslq | A dumb question, if I'd to remount /usr partition on different linux would it work |
| 10:42.03 | xyan | passwordoff: using the official installer? |
| 10:42.06 | vot | sdcc-nf |
| 10:42.22 | syslq | on different distro that is with different kernel version |
| 10:42.25 | vot | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sdcc-nf |
| 10:42.32 | passwordoff | xyan: Yes, official debian-kde.iso image |
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| 10:42.55 | xyan | passwordoff: dont have a clue, you could try doing the install from a live cd using debootstrap yourself |
| 10:43.08 | xyan | judd: versions sdcc-nf |
| 10:43.09 | judd | sdcc-nf -- lenny/non-free: 2.8.0-1 |
| 10:43.21 | vot | im running lenny |
| 10:43.27 | xyan | have n0on |
| 10:43.32 | xyan | bah non-free repos? |
| 10:43.40 | syslq | ojm_: what I hate with yum is that it does not remove dependencys when purging although man says it should. I had to write a script wrapper to do it. |
| 10:43.42 | vot | yet i do aptitude install sdcc-nf and i dont see it |
| 10:43.49 | vot | do i need to install another repo |
| 10:44.12 | xyan | vot: what says apt-cache policy sdcc-nf ? |
| 10:44.47 | vot | W: Unable to locate package sdcc-nf |
| 10:45.13 | xyan | so add the non-free repo to your sources list |
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| 10:48.14 | vot | xyan, could it be some sources in sources.list dont have non free |
| 10:48.18 | vot | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 10:48.19 | vot | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:48.27 | vot | like that first doesnt have non-free |
| 10:49.08 | xyan | vot: the first line is for binary packages, and yes theres no non-free section there only for the sources (deb-src) |
| 10:49.30 | xyan | but those are security updates only not the main repository |
| 10:49.38 | vot | are non-free on the normal disc distros |
| 10:49.45 | vot | yea the main one is the same |
| 10:49.52 | vot | but i didnt want to post all lines |
| 10:49.59 | xyan | pastebin it then |
| 10:50.42 | xyan | normal disc distros? non-free is not shipped with cd/dvd due to legal issues i think but you can receive them from the mirrors though |
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| 10:54.19 | vot | xyan yet again thats what i thought |
| 10:54.24 | vot | http://pastebin.com/ZbkSJ8Cj |
| 10:55.25 | xyan | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny non-free |
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| 10:55.33 | xyan | should be sufficient to get the non-free stuff |
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| 10:57.51 | njbair | /etc/shadow stores hashes, not actual passwords, right? |
| 10:58.06 | joltcan | njbair: exactly |
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| 10:58.31 | njbair | but usermod -p writes the password you give it, not a hash. How do I get the hash in there? |
| 10:59.02 | jez9999 | hi all. i'm looking into system environmental monitoring/control software for Debian. I've seen GKrellM, KSim, and the SourceForge ACPI Project mentioned. Can you recommend any of these, or something other software? |
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| 10:59.40 | dongs | hello pals. i've got: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'. i know i can just mount -t blah tofix that. i'd like to fix it permanently. |
| 10:59.47 | xyan | jez9999: i like conky |
| 10:59.52 | dongs | that is by changing filesystem type. |
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| 11:00.24 | xyan | dongs: change te fs magic/fs type, do it with cfdisk or something like that |
| 11:00.35 | dongs | yes, i gather that much. |
| 11:00.42 | dongs | i didnt see anything obvvious in cfdisk etc where to change this. |
| 11:00.45 | jez9999 | xyan: does it minimize to the GNU panel? |
| 11:00.46 | dongs | its already type 83. |
| 11:01.06 | xyan | jez9999: no its a undecorated desktop window |
| 11:01.21 | jez9999 | oh right, i want something that wont constantly take up the desktop |
| 11:01.28 | jez9999 | Speedfan on Windows is nice |
| 11:01.46 | xyan | dongs: is it the primary harddisk? then you might have to reboot to reread the partition table |
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| 11:01.57 | dongs | no im booted off cd. |
| 11:02.08 | dongs | partition is fine i rebooted like 20 times already. |
| 11:02.09 | xyan | then use partprobe to reread the partition table |
| 11:02.15 | xyan | hrm strange |
| 11:03.18 | dongs | the only issue is automatically mounting it. i want to get rid of this retarded lunixraid stuff, so i pulled a disk, failed it in mdadm, --removed it, changed partition type to 83, rebooted a bunch of times, and it still insists the filesystemtype on sda2 is 'linux_raid_member'. |
| 11:03.28 | dongs | if i do mount -t ext3 it works (but obviously not what I want) |
| 11:04.12 | xyan | does file -s /dev/sda2 tell linux_raid_memeber as well? |
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| 11:05.29 | dongs | xyan, i guess so. |
| 11:05.34 | dongs | dont have file available off this cd. |
| 11:05.53 | dongs | no |
| 11:06.03 | dongs | file says.. sda2 x86 boot sector, Linux bla bla |
| 11:06.38 | xyan | and id is 83 there as well? |
| 11:06.52 | dongs | ya, ID=0x83. |
| 11:07.02 | dongs | partition type is correct. |
| 11:07.33 | xyan | afaik mount relies on the fs type though i dont know whats wrong |
| 11:07.40 | dongs | yes. |
| 11:07.47 | dongs | its getting it from somewhere. |
| 11:07.52 | dongs | likely root superblock etc. |
| 11:08.01 | dongs | no idea where to overwrite that shit. |
| 11:08.13 | dongs | im considering just tar'in the whole shit mounted to a usb stick and reformatting. |
| 11:08.24 | dongs | it sure seems like less time wasted. |
| 11:08.42 | xyan | agreed |
| 11:09.41 | dongs | now how many miles of flags do i need for tar to make a exact filesystem copy? :) |
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| 11:10.37 | iceroot | how to find out to which package dh_pysupport belongs? |
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| 11:11.41 | xyan | apt-file search dh_pysupport |
| 11:11.50 | xyan | if installed dpkg -S dh_pysupport |
| 11:12.48 | iceroot | xyan: thanks. as it seems in etch it was part of debhelber, no its a extra package called python-support |
| 11:12.49 | xyan | dongs: tar cf backup.tar /path/to/stuff |
| 11:13.08 | dongs | well, i figured that much. dont i need some extra shit to handle /dev/ and such |
| 11:13.15 | dongs | i guess it probably doesnt matter. |
| 11:13.31 | xyan | oh its the root fs, uhm --exclude=dev --exclude=sys and so on |
| 11:13.33 | dongs | im gonna dd several megs of 0's into /dev/sda just to make sure this shit is fully gone. |
| 11:14.03 | dongs | from my futile googling for about 30 mins it doesnt seem theres a way to change that filesystem type once its been made |
| 11:14.19 | dongs | you can force it by mounting wiht -t ext3 and copy shit off but i didnt see any permanent solution |
| 11:14.40 | xyan | i didnt have problems, also had a mdadm raid1 device and after changing the fs type it worked out well |
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| 11:16.37 | FreezeS | hi guys |
| 11:16.42 | FreezeS | not sure if this is the right channel |
| 11:16.46 | dongs | define "worked out well" |
| 11:16.51 | FreezeS | I've got a problem with apache2 in debian 4 |
| 11:17.00 | dongs | did you just unset raid and used disk happily ever after as boot device? |
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| 11:17.20 | FreezeS | I'm running ISPconfig and added a certificate. After that apache2 is no longer starting, only showing "failed" |
| 11:17.24 | FreezeS | how can I troubleshoot this ? |
| 11:17.33 | dongs | start it manually and read logs. |
| 11:17.41 | xyan | dongs: it was recognized as ext3 by mount without the need of the -t flag |
| 11:17.46 | daniel | hey guys Im running exaile but it stops very often just to play why?. |
| 11:17.50 | dongs | xyan: trippy. |
| 11:18.04 | xyan | dongs: it wasnt the root fs though but that shouldnt matter |
| 11:18.15 | FreezeS | is there another log except /log/apache2/error.log ? |
| 11:18.21 | dongs | oh |
| 11:18.24 | dongs | that might matter. |
| 11:18.29 | dongs | how did you mount it, from fstab? |
| 11:18.30 | FreezeS | when I run /etc/init.d/apache2, there is nothing written there |
| 11:18.36 | FreezeS | checked syslog, messages |
| 11:18.38 | FreezeS | nothing |
| 11:18.45 | FreezeS | also the script only shows "failed" |
| 11:18.50 | dongs | FreezeS: pretty sure crappache has its own error log. |
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| 11:19.18 | FreezeS | dongs: how can I find where it is ? checked the script from init.d and didn't find anything |
| 11:19.29 | FreezeS | can I start it in "debug" mode ? |
| 11:19.31 | dongs | i'd guess /var/log/apache(2?)/bla bla |
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| 11:19.41 | dongs | or maybe httpd |
| 11:19.44 | dongs | or whatever,; |
| 11:20.03 | FreezeS | dongs: as I said, I checked /var/log/apache2/error.log and it doesn't show anything |
| 11:20.10 | dongs | nice. |
| 11:20.19 | FreezeS | in /var/log/httpd there is only the access log |
| 11:20.35 | dongs | thats pretty cool |
| 11:20.48 | FreezeS | tried running apache2 but doesn't display anything |
| 11:21.07 | FreezeS | also tried running apache2ctl start, same - nothing displayed |
| 11:21.51 | HackeMate | hello, i am using an apple keyboard, and the F keys doesn't works if i don't press the 'fn' button |
| 11:21.56 | HackeMate | is there a way to fix the keymap? |
| 11:22.06 | liable | FreezeS: wtf is ispconfig? thats where you want to start |
| 11:22.15 | jargon- | apple <--- that's where your problem started |
| 11:22.37 | liable | sounds like some dodgy script to do dodgy config of servers.... |
| 11:22.48 | HackeMate | i know, but i am not asking about if my keyboard is good or not, i guess it can be used with debian too |
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| 11:23.17 | HackeMate | in keyboard preferences i can select macbook/macbookpro keyboard |
| 11:24.11 | FreezeS | liable: yes, that somehow generated some invalid configuration files and I'm trying to find out what exactly is the problem |
| 11:24.20 | liable | FreezeS: it doesnt appear to be in the debian repos either, so i imagine you want to ask the author of said dodgy script |
| 11:24.24 | dongs | FreezeS: it has -v -r --verbose or -d or someshit. |
| 11:24.26 | dongs | to print out more junk |
| 11:24.30 | dongs | (apahe2ctl |
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| 11:25.20 | liable | FreezeS: i suggest removing it, and configuring apache like sane people do |
| 11:25.38 | liable | which unfortunately means reading docs.. |
| 11:26.26 | noesc | Anyone here have the problem of "hub X-0:1.0: over-current change on port X", where X mean some int value |
| 11:26.29 | dongs | if this doesnt work im raging out |
| 11:26.41 | dongs | noesc: stop plugging your toaster into USB |
| 11:26.56 | noesc | dongs: It's my laptop, but thanks |
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| 11:27.10 | dongs | youre plugging a laptop into usb? |
| 11:27.11 | noesc | And nothing is plugged in |
| 11:27.23 | dongs | sounds like its broken then. |
| 11:27.32 | dongs | or somethign is shorting out. |
| 11:27.47 | dongs | or its a cheap chinese laptop and they used some of hte internal USB ports to power something that triggers overcurrent |
| 11:27.50 | dongs | pick one. |
| 11:27.51 | noesc | Yea, but everythings working (every port is functional) |
| 11:28.05 | dongs | there are usually devices in laptops wired to internal usb ports that dont even have plugs. |
| 11:28.09 | dongs | just direct connect. |
| 11:28.12 | noesc | dongs: HP Compaq nc6120 |
| 11:28.16 | dongs | shit like crappy wifi, bluetooth, etc. |
| 11:28.30 | dongs | memory card readers |
| 11:28.31 | dongs | etc. |
| 11:28.45 | dongs | .. from 2005? |
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| 11:29.32 | noesc | dongs: I know that it could be internal shorts or what ever. But I have no way to open up and check atm, it's torx :/ |
| 11:29.43 | noesc | And yea, 2005 sounds about right |
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| 11:30.06 | dongs | well dont bother. unless it prevents anythign from working, its either lunix failing, or you'll find out once it starts smoking. |
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| 11:30.23 | dongs | does the X always change? |
| 11:30.36 | Kasreyn | hello, i'm running a debian live 60alpha1 on usb stick, how can i mount a new partition /dev/sdb5 ? it says "already mounted or busy" |
| 11:30.55 | noesc | dongs: Well, that's both yes and no. It's really random :) |
| 11:31.07 | noesc | dongs: lunix = linux? =) |
| 11:31.18 | dongs | xyan: now file -s says proper ext3 stuff for sda2. rebooting (fucking server board takes 5 mins to reboot) to find out if it works or not. |
| 11:31.19 | Kasreyn | i think because /dev/sdb is already mounted on /live/image |
| 11:31.23 | noesc | I've had the problems on both fedora and now a fresh install on debian |
| 11:31.42 | dongs | noesc: do a fresh install of windows (no joke) and see ifi t pops up hub overcurrent warning too. |
| 11:31.51 | dongs | if it doesnt, blame lunix. |
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| 11:32.36 | dongs | noesc: lol, http://www.roedie.nl/2006/08/02/hp-being-very-good-with-support/ |
| 11:32.38 | noesc | dongs: I have no means to install windows at the moment, but well. That could be a test at a later stage |
| 11:32.41 | dongs | noesc: looks like youre stuck with it. |
| 11:32.58 | jez9999 | I've downloaded the gnome-sensors applet and it is running, but right now i only have the hddtemp sensors to play with (ie. my hard disk temp) |
| 11:33.04 | noesc | the problem is that my terminal get's flooded |
| 11:33.07 | jez9999 | how can I get CPU temp? I take it i need to install some modules? |
| 11:33.19 | dongs | noesc: if you recompile kernel and disable usb debug mesages that'll probably go away. |
| 11:33.25 | dongs | or you can just nuke that particular message. |
| 11:33.39 | dongs | or you can stop logging erros to console etc... |
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| 11:34.03 | noesc | dongs: But stop logging is like treating the symptom not the cause :/ |
| 11:34.12 | dongs | you cant fix it. |
| 11:34.14 | sveajobb | I get this annoying error after a dist-upgrade; couriertls: /etc/courier/imapd.pem: error:1410D0B9:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_set_cipher_list:no cipher match I get this nice looking error, anyone with a quick fix |
| 11:34.15 | dongs | its a hardware defect. |
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| 11:34.41 | noesc | But yea, I guess I have some more googling to do. *And yea, I can fix it it's a hardware short somewhere* |
| 11:35.13 | noesc | If it's considerable easy to spot and do. Fixed broken components on motherboards before :( |
| 11:35.13 | dongs | you can just cut the overcurrent pin on the usb hub. |
| 11:35.17 | noesc | :)* |
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| 11:37.16 | dongs | i like the windows solution. |
| 11:37.19 | dongs | "Go to the Device manager, expand Universal Serial Bus controllers, right click any of the Host controllers, click properties, go to the Advanced Tab, Check "Don't Tell me about USB errors" OK..." |
| 11:37.47 | daniel | hey guys Im running exaile but it stops very often just to play why?. |
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| 11:38.36 | xyan | because it can |
| 11:39.29 | daniel | thanks a lot for the answer .! |
| 11:39.34 | daniel | I feel so much better lol |
| 11:39.50 | xyan | glad to have helped |
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| 11:39.58 | daniel | roflmao :) |
| 11:40.21 | xyan | well it might be the software itself being bloated or buggy, it might be the sound system or it might be your hardware |
| 11:40.22 | noesc | dongs: Well, thanks anyhow. Going for some more google |
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| 11:40.34 | xyan | daniel: do other players work flawless? |
| 11:40.48 | daniel | I think so example audacious |
| 11:40.49 | sveajobb | I found the error. I just had to define: TLS_CIPHER_LIST="HIGH:MEDIUM" even though the config file said it was not necessary ;) |
| 11:41.30 | xyan | good so most software fail, does it have any debugging feature? or does starting it from a terminal reveil any useful hints? |
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| 11:42.38 | xyan | reveal |
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| 11:43.02 | xyan | most likely* damn |
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| 11:43.31 | jez9999 | I'm not getting any ACPI devices listed in my Gnome sensors applet on Debian. Is there some extra ACPI module i need to install? |
| 11:43.36 | jez9999 | if so, what's it called? |
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| 11:50.10 | Burnx | Hello |
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| 11:50.21 | Burnx | Im using this tutorial to update my kernel, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
| 11:50.41 | Burnx | I'm in the compilation part, yesterday it gaves me errors, I'm try again now |
| 11:50.53 | abrotman | Burnx: wait .. why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 11:50.53 | Burnx | After an hour of waiting from this command [12:49] * Topic is 'lenny (5.0.5) /msg dpkg |
| 11:50.56 | Burnx | fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 11:51.31 | dongs | if it takes you > 1 hour to compile kernel , please don';t. |
| 11:51.35 | Burnx | So i update my kernel? |
| 11:51.54 | xyan | fetch a recent backports kernel instead if you need something more up to date |
| 11:52.42 | abrotman | Burnx: why do you want a newer kernel, what's wrong with the one you have already? |
| 11:52.49 | jez9999 | http://sensors-applet.sourceforge.net/index.php?content=requirements |
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| 11:53.03 | Burnx | 1st thing would be to update the kernel to something above 2.6.30 as there are a lot of usb issues before that. |
| 11:53.03 | jez9999 | ^ on this page, when they say "with ACPI modules loaded", isn't that a bit misleading? |
| 11:53.09 | Burnx | My actual kernel is 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 11:53.13 | jez9999 | doens't they mean, "with ACPI modules compiled into the kernel"? |
| 11:53.20 | Burnx | Someone told me to update it to fix some issues |
| 11:54.06 | abrotman | Burnx: what issues? |
| 11:54.23 | Burnx | "there are a lot of usb issues" |
| 11:54.35 | dongs | stupid question.. do i need ext2 in the kernel to be able to use ext3? |
| 11:54.41 | abrotman | Burnx: there is a .32 kernel at backports.org .. it's much easier to use that |
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| 11:55.09 | Burnx | First time I heard of backports, it's an easier way to update my kernel? |
| 11:55.32 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:55.38 | abrotman | !tell Burnx about bpo |
| 11:55.42 | harpal | dongs: no |
| 11:55.49 | dongs | well what the dicks then. |
| 11:56.53 | daniel | do someone know a good snapshot program? |
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| 11:57.14 | fl3sh | how to edit Debian's boot loader? |
| 11:57.17 | Burnx | aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 11:57.22 | Burnx | That will update my kernel? |
| 11:57.23 | abrotman | fl3sh: which one? |
| 11:57.37 | fl3sh | abrotman, I am a new user, how to check it? |
| 11:57.39 | abrotman | Burnx: not quite .. after that `aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686` |
| 11:58.08 | abrotman | fl3sh: it's either grub1 or grub2 .. it will tell you when you boot the system or you can `dpkg -l grub*' |
| 11:58.21 | Burnx | Nice, I dont have to put the number of the version ? |
| 11:59.50 | fl3sh | abrotman, 1st line says for grub and 2nd line says for grub version 2 |
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| 12:00.50 | daniel | do someone prefer a easy snapshot program?. |
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| 12:01.39 | abrotman | daniel: snapshot of what? |
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| 12:01.53 | daniel | to take snapshots |
| 12:02.02 | abrotman | OF WHAT? |
| 12:02.09 | daniel | desktop |
| 12:02.11 | abrotman | your webcam? your hard drive? |
| 12:02.22 | Burnx | abrotman, aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686 or aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.34 |
| 12:02.24 | abrotman | so you want screenshots? |
| 12:02.35 | abrotman | Burnx: i typed what i meant |
| 12:03.06 | daniel | I found ksnapshot thx btw. |
| 12:03.18 | Burnx | ok so linux-image-686 will get me the last kernel |
| 12:03.25 | abrotman | just try it |
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| 12:03.55 | Burnx | alright, the first cmd is almost done |
| 12:04.45 | Burnx | firmware-linux-free{a} libapt-pkg-perl{a} libuuid-perl{a} linux-base{a} |
| 12:04.45 | Burnx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:04.58 | Burnx | great |
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| 12:09.16 | Burnx | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 12:09.16 | Burnx | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 12:09.16 | Burnx | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 12:09.33 | Burnx | is that okay abrotman? |
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| 12:11.49 | Burnx | Prisonserv1:~# uname -r |
| 12:11.50 | Burnx | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:11.52 | Burnx | I will reboot |
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| 12:12.04 | Burnx | Hopefully it comes up, else I have to run to home to fix it |
| 12:12.26 | Burnx | The other one is still compiling the kernel |
| 12:12.49 | abrotman | no idea about the firmware |
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| 12:13.21 | jez9999 | are there Debian drivers for the Intel G41 + ICH7 chipset? |
| 12:13.23 | Burnx | wow # uname -r |
| 12:13.23 | Burnx | 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 12:13.27 | Burnx | ur a agenious abrotman |
| 12:13.28 | jez9999 | ACPI drivers, i should say |
| 12:13.50 | abrotman | !ur |
| 12:13.51 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 12:13.56 | abrotman | Burnx: and your NIC works also? |
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| 12:14.10 | abrotman | jez9999: it should just work, i had a G40, worked fine |
| 12:14.19 | Burnx | yeah |
| 12:14.28 | Burnx | else i wouldnt be able to connect to the server outside my home |
| 12:14.31 | jez9999 | abrotman: well i'm not getting the acpi tab in my gnome-sensors applet. |
| 12:14.35 | jez9999 | :-( |
| 12:14.45 | jez9999 | i get hddtemp but not acpi |
| 12:14.48 | abrotman | jez9999: is acpi/acpid installed ? |
| 12:15.11 | Burnx | the other bitch is still compiling omg |
| 12:15.11 | jez9999 | yes |
| 12:15.13 | abrotman | jez9999: FWIW, you may also want to look for a BIOS update |
| 12:15.34 | abrotman | jez9999: how did you install gnome? |
| 12:15.42 | jez9999 | how does gnome-sensors determine whether to display that tab? |
| 12:15.48 | jez9999 | this is a pretty new mobo |
| 12:15.52 | jez9999 | surely it supports acpi properly |
| 12:16.06 | abrotman | it's not pretty new .. the G41 is probably five years old |
| 12:16.12 | dongs | thats not the question |
| 12:16.24 | dongs | the question would be "does lunix acpi properly support that board" |
| 12:16.36 | dongs | not whether board supports acpi. |
| 12:16.43 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 12:16.57 | jez9999 | but how does gnome-sensors determine whether to display that tab? |
| 12:17.06 | jez9999 | unless i know that it's shooting in the dark |
| 12:17.08 | abrotman | jez9999: how did you install gnome? |
| 12:17.11 | jez9999 | what output is it looking at? |
| 12:17.22 | jez9999 | i installed it and the rest of debian via a network install |
| 12:17.32 | abrotman | jez9999: which kernel? uname -r |
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| 12:17.46 | jez9999 | 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 12:18.05 | abrotman | well, that's wrong for starters |
| 12:18.20 | jez9999 | howso? |
| 12:18.24 | abrotman | jez9999: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 .. reboot, choose the -5- kernel, then remove the -trunk- |
| 12:18.30 | abrotman | the -trunk- is a few months old at least |
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| 12:18.55 | jez9999 | and installing a new kernel won't hork my machine? :-) |
| 12:19.09 | abrotman | it should't |
| 12:19.22 | abrotman | i had squeeze running on a G40 a few months ago (before i got my new thinkpad) |
| 12:20.05 | jez9999 | so you think upgrading to that kernel should make the acpi tab appear? |
| 12:20.16 | abrotman | i think it could help, and your kernel has massive security issues |
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| 12:20.28 | dongs | yes, and it will break 3 other unrelated things. |
| 12:20.29 | jez9999 | presumably they all do |
| 12:20.40 | abrotman | dongs: don't you need help ? |
| 12:21.12 | abrotman | jez9999: yes, but there are fixed ones .. your kernel is very out of date .. if you're not willing to update, maybe you would prefer windows98? |
| 12:21.14 | jez9999 | abrotman: do i need to backup any settings before upgrading kernel that might get overwritten? |
| 12:21.18 | dongs | finally tracked my boot issue down. fucking udev. |
| 12:21.27 | dongs | killeed it with fire. |
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| 12:21.52 | abrotman | jez9999: you sohuld be fine |
| 12:23.21 | LV-426 | anyone know a tool that can download web mailing list archives into some MUA readable form ? |
| 12:23.40 | abrotman | depends on the web app |
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| 12:28.20 | daniel | Hey guys I got this error when im starting rhythmbox -->rhythmbox:24082): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Unable to grab media player keys: Could not get owner of name 'org.gnome.SettingsDaemon': no such name |
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| 12:29.18 | rvsjoen | that's not an error, it says big fat WARNING |
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| 12:31.24 | jez9999 | sigh |
| 12:31.32 | jez9999 | well i'm using the -5- kernel but still no acpi tab |
| 12:31.50 | dongs | what exactly do yo uexpect to find there |
| 12:32.23 | jez9999 | http://sensors-applet.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/004-sensors-prefs.jpg |
| 12:32.25 | hanibanaa | is there any tool which shows per process disk usage? |
| 12:32.33 | jez9999 | the acpi tab in that screenshot |
| 12:32.38 | jez9999 | im guessing it'd contain things like CPU temp |
| 12:32.41 | konr | Guys, my wifi is not working. Right now I have the "no scan results" error when I scan the room and also ifconfig up throws another error. I remember it did work, however, but I had a lot of work including loading the correct modules etc... Is there a good wireless tutorial out there? |
| 12:34.07 | Section9Work | what is there error (pastebin as needed) and what wifi chipset is it? |
| 12:34.43 | Section9Work | (lots of good guides, depends a lot on the hardware and config though) |
| 12:35.05 | hanibanaa | I found iotop |
| 12:35.40 | jez9999 | any other ideas as to why gnome-sensors isn't giving me an acpi tab? |
| 12:36.00 | konr | [ 4609.163471] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 12:36.47 | abrotman | jez9999: how did you install gnome? |
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| 12:37.09 | abrotman | konr: lspci -nn .. show us the line for your wifi |
| 12:37.11 | jez9999 | abrotman: erm, using a portable USB key installer via the net |
| 12:37.23 | abrotman | jez9999: aptitude install gnome gdm xorg .. does it install anything ? |
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| 12:37.58 | jez9999 | hmm well it's come up with an install solution |
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| 12:38.53 | jez9999 | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 12:38.53 | jez9999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.53 | jez9999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.53 | jez9999 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:39.15 | abrotman | jez9999: paste.debian.net |
| 12:39.16 | jez9999 | thing is i dont think i care about those packakges |
| 12:39.47 | abrotman | jez9999: let's try this a different way ... `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install gnome xorg gdm` |
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| 12:41.43 | jez9999 | well aptitude full-upgrade gives me a problem |
| 12:41.49 | abrotman | problems? |
| 12:41.54 | jez9999 | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 12:41.54 | jez9999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.13 | abrotman | jez9999: put the whole thing in a pastebin |
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| 12:43.27 | jez9999 | http://paste.debian.net/79372/ |
| 12:43.35 | konr | Right, I've found out that my card is an Atheros 5[168c:001c] |
| 12:43.59 | abrotman | jez9999: that should be fine .. they seem to be getting upgrades AFAICT |
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| 12:44.26 | abrotman | jez9999: we'll work through them til they're upgraded |
| 12:44.31 | jez9999 | abrotman: yeah but it wants to install a ton of new stuff and removing a ton of stuff |
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| 12:44.55 | abrotman | jez9999: those are mostly libraries that are no longer used |
| 12:45.03 | abrotman | or are being upgraded |
| 12:45.18 | abrotman | holy crap .. how long has it been since you upgraded the system ? |
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| 12:45.30 | jez9999 | a while. i find that constant upgrades are a PITA |
| 12:45.39 | jez9999 | it's worked well for half a year |
| 12:45.43 | abrotman | then you probably shouldn't be running a rolling release :) |
| 12:46.03 | jez9999 | i wouldnt be, but i had to. lenny doesnt have the gfx drivers for this board. |
| 12:46.11 | jez9999 | when squeeze becomes stable i'll stick with it |
| 12:46.26 | abrotman | okay .. so you should at least get closer to the current squeeze |
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| 12:47.15 | jez9999 | javascript-common{u} |
| 12:47.18 | jez9999 | is that an important lib? |
| 12:47.27 | abrotman | if it's uninstalling it, it's going to be unused |
| 12:47.41 | jez9999 | ok so i'll go with that full upgrade |
| 12:47.57 | jez9999 | why is the score -320? |
| 12:48.01 | abrotman | you'll probably want to do another when that one is done |
| 12:48.17 | abrotman | because it's removing a pile of packages .. the scoring is some weird number:) |
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| 12:49.00 | jez9999 | needs to download a gig |
| 12:49.03 | Burnx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.07 | Burnx | It froze here <_< |
| 12:49.17 | abrotman | jez9999: FWIW, it's usually far less painful with testing/squeeze to keep up with changes instead of doing them in a mass like this |
| 12:49.26 | abrotman | Burnx: hit ctrl-c, do it again |
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| 12:49.31 | jez9999 | it's also time consuming doing it all the time |
| 12:49.43 | jez9999 | i like to get it to a nicely working state and forget about it for a while |
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| 12:50.20 | abrotman | it's really not that time consuming .. it takes a few minutes every other day .. and it keeps things running far more smoothly |
| 12:50.21 | Burnx | froze again shall i removed it from the list? |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | Burnx: no |
| 12:50.29 | Burnx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.36 | Burnx | ok |
| 12:50.42 | abrotman | Burnx: did you seriously just ask that question? |
| 12:50.57 | Burnx | No, forget about it :p |
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| 12:51.45 | Burnx | If its not responding its probally my internet issue then |
| 12:52.23 | abrotman | they're both ont eh same subnet |
| 12:52.23 | jez9999 | god damnit, McEnroe's inability to pronounce 'Djokovic' makes me want to put a knife through his skull |
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| 13:00.51 | dongs | why? |
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| 13:05.35 | russian_ulysses_ | is there blacklist/whitelist of domains sending emails to lists.debian.org? |
| 13:05.51 | abrotman | russian_ulysses_: i think there is a #debian-lists on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:07.19 | russian_ulysses_ | abrotman Indeed. Thanks for direction ) |
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| 13:11.19 | hanibanaa | I removed lots of files from Dolpin trash; and now it's for some minutes that the `pdflush' process's ate 100% of CPU ! are these two related? |
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| 13:15.29 | konr | Guys, is there a way to install a more recent package instead of the stable version of it? |
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| 13:15.52 | petemc | konr: backports |
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| 13:16.26 | linduxed | what's an easy way of doing what http://www.speedtest.net/ does on a headless server that i ssh into? |
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| 13:25.00 | dongs | linduxed: wget direc9x redist from microsoft.com |
| 13:25.22 | sylar | hello |
| 13:25.55 | sylar | I have woke my laptop from sleep, and the screen is blank |
| 13:26.01 | sylar | what can I do? |
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| 13:26.07 | dongs | nothing. |
| 13:26.11 | linduxed | dongs: ... |
| 13:26.14 | sylar | I had the password dialog, and after that it went blank |
| 13:26.19 | dongs | linduxed: ? what. i told you what to do. |
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| 13:26.23 | linduxed | dongs: i guess that's a way |
| 13:26.28 | dongs | linduxed: microsoft has good bandwidth. |
| 13:26.51 | linduxed | dongs: well it's better than nothing i guess |
| 13:27.06 | xyan | sylar: open a terminal and type in blind "xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto" |
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| 13:27.10 | sylar | I did nothing, for quite a long time, I want to try something else |
| 13:27.36 | sylar | xyan, how do I open a terminal? |
| 13:27.55 | xyan | sylar: heh |
| 13:28.12 | xyan | sylar: running gnome? then alt+f2 -> gnome-terminal -> enter |
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| 13:29.02 | sylar | aha |
| 13:29.02 | sylar | I will try |
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| 13:32.12 | sylar | xyan, |
| 13:32.17 | xyan | sylar: |
| 13:32.22 | sylar | xyan, it didn't work |
| 13:32.33 | sylar | xyan, is there some command to cause system beep? |
| 13:32.33 | xyan | sylar: than your doomed to reboot |
| 13:32.42 | sylar | xyan, so I will know I am in terminal ok? |
| 13:32.44 | xyan | sylar: beep if it is installed |
| 13:33.04 | sylar | beep? |
| 13:33.08 | dongs | what |
| 13:33.11 | xyan | its optional |
| 13:33.21 | dongs | echo ^G? |
| 13:33.23 | sylar | I didn't install it |
| 13:33.24 | xyan | sylar: hitting tab multiple times should beep aswell |
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| 13:33.40 | xyan | echo -e |
| 13:33.50 | xyan | isnt ^B the bell? |
| 13:33.52 | sylar | right |
| 13:33.57 | sylar | I'll try |
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| 13:36.22 | sylar | I get no beeps |
| 13:36.26 | xyan | then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzza-ZbEY70&playnext_from=TL&videos=NSeW3Qf1F70 |
| 13:36.31 | xyan | its visual beep only |
| 13:36.32 | sylar | what is the command that exit the X11? |
| 13:36.41 | dongs | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 13:36.47 | sylar | ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 13:37.05 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:37.25 | xyan | sylar: you have a second machine to ssh in? |
| 13:38.09 | sylar | the network is down on default there |
| 13:38.14 | sylar | so no |
| 13:38.22 | xyan | well why dont you just reboot? |
| 13:38.32 | sylar | It is the second time that it happens to me this week |
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| 13:38.43 | sylar | it's kind of annoying |
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| 13:38.53 | sylar | I want to fix it |
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| 13:39.09 | sylar | And I have open files, that I am working on |
| 13:39.23 | xyan | hrm yeah thats annoying |
| 13:39.38 | sylar | They are probably saved, but I'll have to open them all up again... |
| 13:39.51 | xyan | having some similar experiences, when i boot my laptop when its closed it stays blank forever |
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| 13:39.59 | neilk | sleep mode can be a dangerous thing |
| 13:40.35 | sylar | but it woke from sleep and showed me the password dialog |
| 13:40.52 | sylar | so, I think that it woke up fine |
| 13:40.57 | sylar | something else is bad there |
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| 13:42.33 | xyan | sylar: so ctrl+alt+f1 didnt bring you to a console? |
| 13:43.02 | sylar | I didn't do it, since I asked, and told to ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 13:43.17 | sylar | I now googled it, and if it worked, it probably trashed my session |
| 13:43.27 | dongs | .. obviously. |
| 13:43.31 | xyan | zapping doesnt work with lenny imo |
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| 13:43.41 | dongs | 22:36 < sylar> what is the command that exit the X11? |
| 13:43.49 | Justin | xyan: that's not an opinion |
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| 13:43.51 | skwashd | is there somewhere the planet.d.o people hang out on irc? |
| 13:44.16 | sylar | dongs, aha, well, I meant to a shell |
| 13:44.20 | poisonbit | skwashd, maybe in irc.debian.org ? |
| 13:44.31 | xyan | Justin: whats not an option? i just wanted to know if switching to a console would have led to a result, so it might be the gnome-screensaver that got stuck |
| 13:44.35 | sylar | dongs, that is, exit to a shell, but nevermind |
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| 13:44.42 | Justin | 09:43 < xyan> zapping doesnt work with lenny imo |
| 13:44.46 | skwashd | poisonbit: thanks |
| 13:44.52 | sylar | ctrl+alt+f1 doesn\t work either, |
| 13:44.54 | dongs | sylar: thats what it does. |
| 13:44.59 | sylar | so I will have to reboot |
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| 13:45.22 | sylar | dongs, but can u return to the X? |
| 13:45.24 | xyan | Justin: pew |
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| 13:45.55 | sylar | go to reboot |
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| 13:48.04 | zeus | hi hi |
| 13:48.31 | zeus | there's an easy way to switch from i386 to amd64 architecture? apt-get it's installing just i386 packages but now I want amd64 packages |
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| 13:49.18 | xyan | zeus: not possible |
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| 13:50.07 | zeus | xyan: as I thought |
| 13:50.07 | sylar | where should I look for the problem, syslog? dmseg? |
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| 14:04.46 | sylar | dmesg, has noting, syslog has only that it suspended, nothing about the resume |
| 14:05.02 | sylar | are there more logs? |
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| 14:09.51 | Jumpie | sup guys |
| 14:10.00 | Jumpie | what release do i need again for intel 64 bit? |
| 14:10.05 | abrotman | amd64 or i386 |
| 14:10.17 | Jumpie | i guess i was htinkin amd64....but i dont have an amd cpu |
| 14:10.30 | Jumpie | i thought i386 was 32 bit only |
| 14:10.37 | Jumpie | but i want 64 bit release |
| 14:11.19 | abrotman | amd64 or i386 |
| 14:11.33 | Jumpie | well why one ovr another? |
| 14:13.16 | abrotman | one is 64bit, the other is 32bit |
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| 14:14.36 | Jumpie | yes, but its an intel processor |
| 14:14.37 | Jumpie | not amd |
| 14:14.48 | abrotman | amd64 or i386 |
| 14:15.07 | abrotman | Which part don't you understand? |
| 14:15.13 | Jumpie | stop mindlessly repeating what you said |
| 14:15.25 | Jumpie | amd64 release signifies for an AMD processor |
| 14:15.30 | neilk | no, it doesn't |
| 14:15.35 | zeus | Jumpie: doesn't matter, it's 64-bits it will run |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 14:15.40 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 14:15.41 | Jumpie | ok, thanks |
| 14:15.49 | zeus | Jumpie: I just installed the linux-image-*-amd64 =) |
| 14:15.56 | Jumpie | ok i just wanted to make sure |
| 14:16.04 | abrotman | i told you three times |
| 14:16.05 | Jumpie | ty |
| 14:16.12 | Jumpie | no, you just repeated yourself without clarification |
| 14:16.17 | Jumpie | remind me not to hire you for customer service |
| 14:16.18 | abrotman | it really didn't need any |
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| 14:16.39 | abrotman | one is 64bit, the other is 32bit .. seems pretty straight forward |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | from phoenix .. figures |
| 14:17.47 | zeus | abrotman: looks like he didn't understand the first time :P |
| 14:18.24 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/ports/ .. also clarifies |
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| 14:20.43 | zeus | odd |
| 14:20.58 | zeus | why it's recommendend use i386 if there's no good reason? |
| 14:21.09 | abrotman | there are good reasons |
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| 14:22.06 | abrotman | zeus: if your work depends on binary i386-only software like say .. flash (don't mention nspluginwrapper) or skype or something other binary junk .. you wouldn't want to try to manage your amd64 installation with a 32bit chroot all the time |
| 14:22.46 | zeus | abrotman: well the problem that I got now it's "will my bcm4312 propietary firmware works with amd64?" |
| 14:23.07 | Justin | zeus: the firmware goes onto the card |
| 14:23.07 | abrotman | zeus: AIUI, that's less of a problem |
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| 14:23.29 | zeus | Justin: damn taht's right! |
| 14:24.08 | zeus | abrotman: well I can use it, the only propietary static binaries that I use are the firmware for the bcm4312 |
| 14:24.28 | zeus | and flash, flash it's a shit that my gf use sometimes for here facebook friends :P |
| 14:24.39 | abrotman | zeus: there are other things that are flash only |
| 14:24.58 | neilk | do you actually need chroot to run 32-bit firefox/flash under amd64? |
| 14:25.10 | neilk | i could swear i've done it before without chroot |
| 14:25.11 | abrotman | neilk: i think you can use nspluginwrapper now |
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| 14:25.53 | zeus | well, I'll try it and if it works I'll be here telling my story if not I'll back to my i386 :P |
| 14:27.00 | abrotman | zeus: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#DebianTesting.27Squeeze.27amd64 |
| 14:27.09 | abrotman | there's a link for lenny on that page also |
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| 14:35.26 | flohack | Hi! Can someone please explain how to maintain archives for multiple distributions with apt-ftparchive? |
| 14:35.27 | flohack | I currently have Directory "pool/$(SECTION)"; set in TreeDefault. Do I have to create separate pool/$(DIST)/$(SECTION) directories, or would you recommend a different approach? |
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| 14:39.55 | abrotman | flohack: you're trying to mirror multiple distros? why not just use an apt proxy? |
| 14:39.59 | Burnx | damnt it security.debian.org not willin to cooperate |
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| 14:41.14 | flohack | abrotman: I'm not trying to mirror, I run my own repository with customized packages |
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| 14:42.09 | abrotman | Burnx: it's a roundrobin, did you notice both those that are failing are on the same classB? |
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| 14:43.44 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 14:44.48 | AlexC_ | not sure where to ask this - however with 'sudo' and visudo file, how can I allow access to '/usr/bin/tail [arguments, if any] /var/log/apache2/vhosts/*_access.log'? I tried "/usr/bin/tail * /var/log/apache2/vhosts/*_access.log" however with this I *need* to specofy arguments in order for it to work |
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| 15:28.16 | Spec | Heya, what's the opposite of backports? :). I'm looking to install python2.3 into a Debian Lenny system. Should I just build/maintain python from source, or is there a better alternative? |
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| 15:31.11 | ChEaSeR | by mistake, i'd added "*beep*" to my highlight matches...for the last 5 days, there were more then 40 msgs containing *beep*, woha |
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| 15:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec you can always forward-port them yourself by recompiling the source package... the same way you would do for a backport (msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 15:38.47 | Spec | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean get python2.3 source from archive.debian* and then rebuild? |
| 15:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 15:39.10 | Spec | Sounds like a decent way to go, then. |
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| 15:40.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you can see how well mixing works... |
| 15:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably should, anyway... check what dependency problems can arise |
| 15:40.54 | Spec | Hmm. |
| 15:41.13 | Spec | I guess I'll try mixing first, I'm guessing it won't play nicely. |
| 15:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't need to actually _do_ it, but see how it'd go |
| 15:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude tells you what it needs |
| 15:41.43 | neilk | downloading the python 2.3 source from python.org is bound to work :) |
| 15:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | before it does the actions |
| 15:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !archives |
| 15:41.54 | dpkg | archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 15:43.06 | Spec | neilk: Yeah, but then it wouldn't be managed by dpkg. :( |
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| 15:44.11 | neilk | meh, what does that really matter? if you want to keep your /usr filesystem clean, install it in /opt and symlink to /usr |
| 15:44.25 | neilk | i mean, usr tree |
| 15:44.52 | compaq_ | As far as I am concerned, debian stable is for servers, and debian testing is for desktops. When the next release of debian testing comes up, I hope it boots into X, right now it boots fine, but it doesn't boot into X fine, you have to manually startx or gdm/kdm |
| 15:45.22 | compaq_ | Moreover, Ubuntu is basically debian testing |
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| 15:47.49 | compaq_ | Its been Lenny for years now eh? |
| 15:48.09 | compaq_ | !apitiude update |
| 15:48.18 | compaq_ | !aptitiude update |
| 15:48.41 | LetoPoole | !aptitude update |
| 15:48.49 | zeus | !aptitude update |
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| 15:49.40 | compaq_ | how do you update the system? |
| 15:49.53 | LetoPoole | aptitude upgrade |
| 15:50.00 | LetoPoole | after update |
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| 15:50.57 | compaq_ | There was a new release on June 26 |
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| 15:51.31 | LetoPoole | if you want to update releases, dist-upgrade |
| 15:51.44 | LetoPoole | lenny->squeeze, i.e. |
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| 15:52.14 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, no, I want to stay with stable, I just want to get up to 5.0.5 which as release last week |
| 15:52.40 | LetoPoole | that should already be in your repos |
| 15:52.48 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, how do you see what version you are running, like how can I see output that says my system is Lenny and 5.0 |
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| 15:53.54 | aliesky | hello everyone |
| 15:54.19 | lost_soul | aliesky: hey, hey |
| 15:54.23 | aliesky | i need to know how to bring to foreground an already running process by ssh, can somebody help me? |
| 15:54.30 | LetoPoole | dunno, never used stable |
| 15:54.31 | LetoPoole | just testing |
| 15:54.33 | lost_soul | fg? |
| 15:55.02 | aliesky | the process isn't a job yet, how can i turn it a job? |
| 15:55.13 | LetoPoole | compaq_: think you are already on 5.0.5 (if you upgraded recently) |
| 15:55.21 | LetoPoole | I think |
| 15:55.22 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, do you install testing direct or did you install stable and upgrade to testing? |
| 15:55.28 | LetoPoole | sorry |
| 15:55.43 | lost_soul | you can put it in the background by appending a & to the end |
| 15:55.53 | LetoPoole | compaq_: straight iso testing |
| 15:55.54 | neilk | aliesky: i believe that it cannot be done |
| 15:56.19 | LetoPoole | post-Lenny was the first Debian release that could run properly in my system |
| 15:56.30 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, hmm, when I do it, it boots to a blanks screen, I have to boot into a text prompt and start x with gdm after |
| 15:56.36 | aliesky | lost_soul: the problem is that the process is already running and don't want to kill it because is in a remote PC and i will have to do it everytime i connect :-( |
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| 15:56.49 | LetoPoole | compaq_: on squeeze? |
| 15:56.54 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, yep |
| 15:56.55 | jordanm | aliesky: what is it? what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 15:56.55 | LetoPoole | I have a compaq 6715s |
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| 15:57.27 | LetoPoole | compaq_: you running ati? |
| 15:57.36 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, its been like that for years, it might be my video card, you probably have an ati or nvidia card, I have intel on board |
| 15:57.45 | LetoPoole | ok |
| 15:58.07 | LetoPoole | I have had problems forever with radeon till 2 weeks ago |
| 15:58.08 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, I can't figure how to see debian Lenny 5.0 on my system |
| 15:58.14 | aliesky | jordanm: ie: i have running a download manager in a remote PC and i connect to it using SSH, i want to call back this already running process to foreground for add links, etc |
| 15:58.37 | jordanm | aliesky: what download manager? |
| 15:58.37 | lost_soul | screen would likely be the best bet |
| 15:58.41 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, what was the fix? |
| 15:58.42 | LetoPoole | I use gnome system information |
| 15:58.43 | LetoPoole | lazy e |
| 15:58.43 | LetoPoole | me |
| 15:58.53 | aliesky | JDownloader |
| 15:59.09 | compaq_ | man...my sources are really slow, how do I chose different ones, or test for fast ones? |
| 15:59.12 | LetoPoole | compaq_: I had to compile radeon-git, but your problem is strange |
| 15:59.17 | neilk | yeah, screen i think is the way to go |
| 15:59.19 | jordanm | aliesky: that appears to be a GUI application? |
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| 15:59.32 | aliesky | the problem is that when i type "jobs" the list is empty |
| 15:59.42 | neilk | that is because jobs belong to a specific instance of the shell |
| 15:59.43 | jordanm | aliesky: run it in GNU screen like everyone else suggested |
| 15:59.44 | aliesky | it have a terminal option |
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| 16:00.00 | neilk | 'foreground' and 'background' are more or less concepts which only apply to the shell |
| 16:00.08 | compaq_ | LetoPoole, yeah, I can't figure it out, but I know that compiz doesn't support it, so I am guessing it is caused by the same issue, even though I am not running compiz |
| 16:00.15 | aliesky | i can't, my internet speed is too slow for a remote desktop app, but i can use ssh instead |
| 16:00.27 | neilk | uh? that's not what screen is |
| 16:00.31 | neilk | learn about screen :) |
| 16:00.44 | jordanm | aliesky: GNU screen is not a desktop app, perhaps you should look it up before saying you can't use it |
| 16:00.51 | lost_soul | lol |
| 16:01.00 | vot | aliesky, try something like freenx |
| 16:01.04 | aliesky | i know if i use Jdownloader & it will be sent to background but if i disconnect hten i can't use jobs anymore |
| 16:01.20 | jordanm | aliesky: are you not reading what we are typing? |
| 16:01.24 | vot | much better than vnc etc in my experience |
| 16:01.41 | lost_soul | aliesky: try the suggestion, you'll find it does what u wish |
| 16:02.00 | lost_soul | you can start your app from within screen, then disconnect the screen session and reattach it |
| 16:02.01 | jordanm | aliesky: use screen, never background it |
| 16:02.02 | neilk | if you want to 'background' a process from one shell and 'foreground' it from another, screen is basically your only option |
| 16:02.25 | jordanm | neilk: yes, but in this case, screen eliminates the need to bg |
| 16:02.40 | aliesky | jordanm, vot, lost_soul: i have NX but my connection is by modem and sometimes is pretty slow |
| 16:02.55 | lost_soul | so? |
| 16:02.56 | aliesky | for that reason i would like to know if is possible to do it by console |
| 16:02.58 | jordanm | aliesky: don't tell me that, I did not suggest NX |
| 16:02.59 | neilk | that's why i used the quotes, because you're not backgrounding it as much as detaching |
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| 16:03.20 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a harddisk on /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 ...anyone know how I can see the smart status? |
| 16:03.29 | K|nG | Hi i had install sudo but at sudoers i do not know how to add one USER to SUDO list ?? |
| 16:03.32 | jordanm | aliesky: stop ignoring us and go try screen |
| 16:03.36 | aliesky | jordanm: for screen do i need xserver? |
| 16:03.41 | neilk | aliesky: screen is the way to allow you to launch a shell from console and then use that same shell from a remote ssh connection |
| 16:03.49 | neilk | screen is not graphical |
| 16:03.49 | jordanm | K|nG: sudo configuration is pretty complex. "man sudoers" |
| 16:03.58 | jordanm | aliesky: no |
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| 16:04.41 | aliesky | jordanm: ok, then let me read about it and i will back for questions :D |
| 16:05.38 | lost_soul | everyone have a nice holiday weekend planned? |
| 16:05.40 | neilk | boy, i keep running into you in the oddest places, greycat |
| 16:05.53 | [Jasper] | anyone here who can help me? |
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| 16:06.16 | lost_soul | [Jasper]: not unless you ask a question |
| 16:06.16 | greycat | I've been here for ages, though not consistently in the last few years. |
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| 16:06.36 | neilk | i just joined yesterday |
| 16:06.37 | [Jasper] | I did lost_soul |
| 16:06.42 | lost_soul | [Jasper]: smart monitoring tools won't work? |
| 16:06.52 | lost_soul | [Jasper]: I saw that now, sorry |
| 16:07.02 | Bushmills | [Jasper]: not a lot of therapeuts here |
| 16:07.05 | [Jasper] | lost_soul I tried it..but I'm wondering what commands I should uspply with it |
| 16:07.21 | lost_soul | did you read the manual pages? |
| 16:07.30 | [Jasper] | Standard Inquiry (36 bytes) failed [No such device] |
| 16:07.40 | [Jasper] | I am using smartctl a lot on other servers |
| 16:07.46 | [Jasper] | which have hardware raid etc |
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| 16:07.55 | [Jasper] | but this is a iomega storcenter..so it's not like a normal machine |
| 16:08.05 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.26 | Bushmills | not all drives support smart though |
| 16:08.33 | [Jasper] | that is the same bushmannt ? |
| 16:08.36 | [Jasper] | Bushmills even |
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| 16:09.17 | Bushmills | well, stats are shown when device supports smart. |
| 16:09.35 | Bushmills | can't use it on non-smart compatible devices |
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| 16:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | alie.... of course gorn |
| 16:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | _never_ read your backlog... |
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| 16:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | lost_soul, there's actually retty |
| 16:16.19 | [Jasper] | Bushmills you think there are still disks that don't support smart? |
| 16:16.40 | lost_soul | CutMeOwnThroat: huh? |
| 16:17.05 | jordanm | the BIOS also needs to support smart, and have it enabled |
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| 16:17.14 | Bushmills | "are"? yes. "sold new"? not sure, not that many xATA drives, i suppose |
| 16:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | lost_soul, for the "can I attach to a process that is running in a different shell" |
| 16:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | -question |
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| 16:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | the answer ain't "it's not possible"... it's just not very commonly done (and actually I don't use it much either and don't know how well it works) |
| 16:18.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache show retty" |
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| 16:18.42 | greycat | First time I've heard of retty. Presumbaly it's Linux-only and a huge hack. |
| 16:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | presumably :) |
| 16:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's also a debian package |
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| 16:19.43 | [Jasper] | I think it has smart Bushmills... |
| 16:19.48 | [Jasper] | but I don't know how to poll it |
| 16:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, I heard of it for the first time about... must be >3 years ago now.. in here as answer to a question :) |
| 16:20.29 | greycat | From http://pasky.or.cz/~pasky/dev/retty/ |
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| 16:20.36 | greycat | "Attaching less doesn't work, we have no idea why yet" |
| 16:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | [Jasper], if smartctrl doesn't do it... I don't think anything will |
| 16:21.04 | neilk | yep it's a huge hack. although it seems to be advertised as a solution to neglecting to use screen |
| 16:21.27 | greycat | "You can attach only a single process, so if you want to resume editing a mail in mutt, first you need to attach the editor, then when you are finished quit it and attach mutt" |
| 16:21.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... reading it, too |
| 16:21.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | still - it was what he _asked_ :-P |
| 16:22.03 | compaq_ | how to upgrade from 5.0.4 to 5.0.5 |
| 16:22.17 | greycat | compaq_: /msg dpkg point release |
| 16:22.34 | [Jasper] | CutMeOwnThroat: faulty /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 |
| 16:22.38 | [Jasper] | that's what mdadm says |
| 16:22.53 | lost_soul | CutMeOwnThroat: feel free to give you suggestions to tthe person that needed the help |
| 16:23.14 | lost_soul | I would personally use screen :) |
| 16:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | lost_soul, after he left? |
| 16:23.30 | greycat | The retty source code's README file also says "This program is for x86 Linux only. Don't run it on any other OS or any other architecture, or it _WILL_ crash your applications." |
| 16:23.34 | lost_soul | he'll be back... or at least he made it sound like he would be |
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| 16:24.29 | lindi- | greycat: iki.fi/lindi/screenify works on amd64 too |
| 16:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | [Jasper], there's sdparm, the sister of hdparm... but that doesn't do smart... |
| 16:24.35 | [Jasper] | CutMeOwnThroat mdadm reports faulty...where does it gets that info from then? |
| 16:24.42 | neilk | plus, the code is full of tolkein quotes for some reason |
| 16:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | neilk, is that a bad thing? :-P |
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| 16:25.21 | neilk | meh |
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| 16:28.33 | [Jasper] | CutMeOwnThroat if I cat /proc/partitions ...it reports there is a sda and sdb CutMeOwnThroat |
| 16:28.43 | [Jasper] | but they aren't in /dev/ ...anywhere else I can find them? |
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| 16:28.53 | lindi- | [Jasper]: uname -r? |
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| 16:29.01 | [Jasper] | 2.6.12.6-arm1 |
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| 16:29.06 | [Jasper] | not debian though :p |
| 16:29.10 | frostschutz | ewww |
| 16:29.11 | lindi- | [Jasper]: not supported by lenny at least |
| 16:29.12 | [Jasper] | just use debian a lot and get a lot of help |
| 16:29.21 | rking | I'm troubleshooting a PC that won't boot (some fans are whirring but no video output, and I know it's not otherwise booting up because I can't ping it). This one fan is not spinning, and its motor is warm. When I turn the box off and manually rotate the fan, it's very hard to turn---are there some fans that are just hard to turn or is that a symptom? |
| 16:29.26 | lindi- | [Jasper]: udev wants newer kernel or it won't create your /dev/* |
| 16:29.27 | [Jasper] | so I wondered maybe someone else knows it here |
| 16:29.35 | frostschutz | mknod is your friend :P |
| 16:29.59 | greycat | rking: I'd say replace the fan, though that may not be sufficient to make it boot. |
| 16:30.18 | jordanm | [Jasper]: that is not really appropriate... I would suggest #debian-offtopic for asking the debian community non-debian support questions |
| 16:30.30 | rking | greycat: but you would say that a fan that is hard to manually turn is a broken fan, right? |
| 16:30.42 | frostschutz | rking: depends on the fan :) |
| 16:30.50 | greycat | Most likely jammed/stuck. |
| 16:31.16 | rking | frostschutz: You have seen some that are frictionful when manually operated but designed that way and working fine? |
| 16:31.32 | rking | My next avenue is to pull the graphics card and try the on-board graphics. |
| 16:31.34 | frostschutz | rking: you don't usually find those in PCs though |
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| 16:33.15 | lost_soul | rking: I had an nvidia card that the fan was like that |
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| 16:33.55 | lost_soul | pulled the fan off and it worked fine, although it was an older card, prolly could't get away with that on the newer cards |
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| 16:36.30 | rking | Well, the good thing here is that it's just the fan that pulls air out the back, so I know I can operate for a while with half a tower case and the temperature isn't going to be a problem. |
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| 16:36.59 | rking | This is my least favorite kind of boot problem, though---no video (monitor is working fine, though), no beeps, no clues. |
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| 16:37.12 | rking | Same thing, btw, with the graphics card removed. |
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| 16:37.43 | neilk | did you say it's the CPU fan that's not starting up? |
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| 16:38.31 | rking | neilk: Nope, that one and the PSU fan are whirling dervish. |
| 16:38.33 | xxtjaxx | rking: but you have a tty? |
| 16:38.35 | neilk | oh. what fan? |
| 16:38.44 | karlpinc | rking: Check bios. If the fan has a sensor that's monitored it could prevent a boot. But this is hardware and should be on #debian-offtopic. |
| 16:38.48 | rking | neilk: The tower's back fan. |
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| 16:39.03 | rking | karlpinc: Right (re offtopic). Sorry |
| 16:39.18 | rking | xxtjaxx: What kind are you picturing? That sounds interesting |
| 16:39.59 | xxtjaxx | Why rking I was more thinking that you dont get an X11 but still have a tty to fix it |
| 16:40.15 | xxtjaxx | s/Why// |
| 16:40.15 | neilk | hm. is it plugged into the motherboard? maybe the motherboard refuses to POST if a nonworking fan is plugged in |
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| 16:41.29 | rking | xxtjaxx: Oh, heck no---that's a problem within the software realm, and I can debug that... the most output this computer is giving is the LED on the power button. |
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| 16:41.39 | rking | neilk: That is a good point. |
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| 16:45.20 | Terminus- | hello. just curious, why doesn't debian come with an iptables init script like other distros? |
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| 16:47.23 | neilk | Terminus-: i think it has to do with the fact that iptables are dependent on bringing up a network, not bringing up the system; the preferred way is to use /etc/network/interface to launch a script or to run iptables-restore |
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| 16:48.34 | Terminus- | neilk: yeah, i have it as an if-up/down script. just curious. thanks! |
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| 16:49.22 | Terminus- | and a little google would have told me so. sorry. >_< |
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| 16:51.24 | lindi- | Terminus-: it comes with several |
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| 16:55.26 | jez9999 | how do i make sure gnome is fully installed? |
| 16:55.45 | jez9999 | anyone logging this channel? can they scroll back and see what they guy who was talking to me a few hours ago said? |
| 16:55.50 | jez9999 | i forgot to enable logging :-( |
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| 16:56.08 | Terminus- | lindi-: comes with several scripts in the repo you mean? |
| 16:56.54 | jhutchins_lt | jez9999: Use it. If you find something missing, install it. |
| 16:57.19 | lindi- | Terminus-: apt-cache search firewall lists several alternative systems yes |
| 16:59.23 | Terminus- | lindi-: yeah... i was just looking for something in the base system. anyway, iptables-save/restore works fine. =) |
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| 17:01.36 | smoak | is the python package in lenny compiled with zlib support? |
| 17:01.44 | lindi- | Terminus-: iptables-save is not very nice, it does not really support comments |
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| 17:02.20 | Terminus- | lindi-: true. guess i should keep my shell script then. didn't think of that. was considering replacing it with iptables-save. |
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| 17:04.15 | jhutchins_lt | Terminus-: init.d is traditionally for daemons/services, not one-shot scripts. |
| 17:04.23 | jez9999 | someone must log this channerl....... |
| 17:04.26 | jez9999 | anyone? |
| 17:04.31 | jhutchins_lt | jez9999: Use it. If you find something missing, install it. |
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| 17:04.41 | jez9999 | does anyone log this channel? |
| 17:04.51 | neilk | i looked and it seems that nobody responded to you |
| 17:05.15 | jhutchins_lt | jez9999: Apparantly you don't read it, so why would it matter? |
| 17:05.29 | jez9999 | i dont read your reply coz i want to see what was said earlier, which isnt what you're saying |
| 17:05.39 | jez9999 | if someone does log it, please paste the bit where i was talking a few hours ago |
| 17:06.51 | rking | jez9999: I think it is logged, but I'm not seeing it right away on my Google searches. |
| 17:07.09 | neilk | how about in the topic |
| 17:07.24 | Terminus- | jhutchins_lt: that's why i have mine in /etc/network/if-up.d and not in init.d =) |
| 17:07.25 | jhutchins_lt | How about: try using it. If you find something missing, install it. |
| 17:07.42 | rking | neilk: Yeah, like that. =) |
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| 17:17.34 | abrotman | jez9999: aptitude update && aptitude install gnome gdm xorg |
| 17:18.10 | jhutchins_lt | Or just use it, and if something's missing install it. |
| 17:19.05 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose the real question is what constitutes "all of Gnome". Every possible package that could run in a Gnome environment? Or just the basic subsystem that supports other packages? |
| 17:20.19 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: everything officially hosted on gnome.org? |
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| 17:31.26 | HB8 | please help :) |
| 17:31.46 | jordanm | Whinis: !ask |
| 17:31.50 | jordanm | !ask |
| 17:31.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:31.55 | HB8 | i asked |
| 17:31.57 | HB8 | hi i have a lenny. my pci wifi card is intel pro/wireless 5100. i installed these packages :debian-backports-keyring, firmware-iwlwifi, wireless-tools. But i can't still wireless network. what is the problem? |
| 17:32.31 | jez9999 | ok |
| 17:33.04 | jez9999 | well i did a full-update and a aptitude install gnome gdm xorg... and i still have no acpi tab in my gnome-sensors config :-( |
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| 17:34.23 | jez9999 | does anyone know how it gets that list of sensors? |
| 17:35.35 | HB8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.40 | jordanm | jez9999: sensors-detect; sensors maybe |
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| 17:40.18 | abrotman | jez9999: is there anything in /proc/acpi/ ? |
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| 17:41.04 | abrotman | jez9999: or /sys/bus/acpi/ |
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| 17:45.50 | OldParr | how do i record an image file to a CD specifiying the label? |
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| 17:49.20 | jez9999 | abrotman: yes, both |
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| 17:52.14 | jordanm | OldParr: not sure about label but: wodim dev=/dev/cdrom file.iso; man wodim for more info |
| 17:53.08 | carldani | Is anyone in here running Debian on Alpha and could post the output of "echo|gcc -E -dM -" Thanks! |
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| 17:53.10 | greycat | I don't know what "label" means in this context either. I was hoping someone would clarify. |
| 17:53.11 | HB8 | hi i have a lenny. my pci wifi card is intel pro/wireless 5100. i installed these packages :debian-backports-keyring, firmware-iwlwifi, wireless-tools. But i can't still use wireless network. what is the problem? |
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| 17:54.38 | Bushmills | you may need wpa_supplicant |
| 17:54.43 | Bushmills | (and configure it) |
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| 17:55.19 | Bushmills | wpasupplicant, that is |
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| 17:55.55 | abrotman | jez9999: anything useful though ? |
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| 17:56.10 | abrotman | OldParr: do you mean the title of the CD? |
| 17:56.52 | OldParr | abrotman: yes |
| 17:57.03 | jordanm | HB8: what happens when you attempt to connect? |
| 17:57.12 | jordanm | HB8: what version of debian? |
| 17:57.14 | OldParr | abrotman: the tittle of the CD ...... |
| 17:57.19 | jhutchins_lt | HB8: Telling us you can't use something, or that something doesn't work, doesn't give us any way to help you. We need to know what DOES happen, what the results of any tests or attempts were. |
| 17:57.20 | greycat | CD TEXT thingy? |
| 17:57.21 | leafwiz | Hey, I have a wired problem. I have a adhoc network between 2 laptops. They connect up, but I can only recive data from the laptop connecting. |
| 17:57.55 | leafwiz | So I can see laptop B sending dhcp-req to laptop A which responds to B , but B can't read the request. |
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| 17:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | leafwiz: Sounds like a cable problem. |
| 17:58.31 | Bushmills | leafwiz: use a crossover cable |
| 17:58.32 | jordanm | HB8: pointing to what jhutchins_lt said, the lack of information is why I hadn't responded an hour ago |
| 17:58.33 | HB8 | jordamm:i cannot see wireless network. so i can not attempt and version is 5.0 (lenny) |
| 17:58.40 | abrotman | greycat: in fancy GUIs (win/gnome/kde) if you insert the CD, it has a name |
| 17:58.42 | leafwiz | Sorry, B can't read the offered address |
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| 17:58.54 | jhutchins_lt | HB8: How have you tried to "see" the network? |
| 17:58.55 | greycat | abrotman: right, CD-Text (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-Text) |
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| 17:58.57 | leafwiz | Bushmills, I'm using wifi adhoc |
| 17:58.58 | greycat | I wasn't sure if that was what he meant. |
| 17:59.08 | abrotman | i've never called it that .. but sure :) |
| 17:59.09 | jordanm | HB8: what does "iwlist scan" report? interface doesn't support scanning or no networks found? |
| 17:59.11 | Bushmills | leafwiz: "wired problem" |
| 17:59.15 | HB8 | i can not use wi fi card |
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| 17:59.18 | leafwiz | oh.. sorry... |
| 17:59.20 | abrotman | greycat: oh, no .. not that |
| 17:59.28 | jhutchins_lt | leafwiz: You said it was a wired problem. |
| 17:59.33 | greycat | ?:-( |
| 17:59.40 | leafwiz | I meant weird |
| 17:59.40 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, we'll stop now. |
| 17:59.44 | leafwiz | as in strange... :P |
| 18:00.07 | greycat | leafwiz: you said you had a "wired" problem. |
| 18:00.10 | abrotman | greycat: hrm .. like if you drop a CD in windows, in mycomputer/explorer, the CD will have a title (not like what that is showing, which seems to be for audio) |
| 18:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | leafwiz: Knowing which chipsets you had and which drivers they were using, as well as whether they respond to iwconfig and iwlist scanning would be helpful. |
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| 18:00.40 | greycat | leafwiz: are you using wireless, or ethernet? Or something else? |
| 18:01.06 | jhutchins_lt | THe volume title is set as the "project" title in k3b. |
| 18:01.21 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Ad-hoc wireless. |
| 18:01.34 | jhutchins_lt | We knew that, we were just being obtuse. |
| 18:01.39 | greycat | I didn't. |
| 18:01.43 | abrotman | greycat: i'm trying to find you a picture |
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| 18:02.29 | Bushmills | well, swapped letters in that context aren't so bad as when the croation national anthem was sung before a football match, and the singer made "Mila kura si planina" from ""Mila kuda si planina". |
| 18:02.33 | greycat | abrotman: so this is something involving data CDs, not audio CDs? |
| 18:02.53 | abrotman | i think it can be both |
| 18:03.02 | leafwiz | greycat, yes, I made a spelling error. I meant I had a strange error. I use wireless. I have two atheros cards |
| 18:03.12 | HB8 | intarface doesn't scan , because i couldn't establish wi fi driver |
| 18:03.25 | Bushmills | (the translation with the wrong letter means "my love, my penis is a mountain") |
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| 18:04.07 | jordanm | HB8: lspci -nn. what is the pciid of the card? it will look like: [8086:107c] |
| 18:04.28 | jordanm | HB8: what says "couldn't establish wifi driver"? |
| 18:04.29 | HB8 | my wi fi card is intel 5100 |
| 18:04.31 | Bushmills | correct would be "you know, my dear, how we love your mountans" |
| 18:04.35 | jordanm | HB8: thats not what I asked for |
| 18:04.49 | abrotman | HB8: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 18:05.15 | HB8 | installation driver is what i want tell |
| 18:05.29 | fxiny | Bushmills: :)) |
| 18:05.35 | abrotman | HB8: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 18:05.56 | HB8 | ok please a second |
| 18:07.02 | HB8 | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 18:07.27 | abrotman | !tell HB8 about bpo |
| 18:07.43 | HB8 | i looked before that web page http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 18:07.52 | jordanm | HB8: you need the kernel from backports. dpkg should have just PM'ed you with a link to instructions on installing and using backports |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | HB8: you need to get the kernel and firmware from backports.org |
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| 18:08.26 | HB8 | hımm ok i will try. |
| 18:08.26 | jordanm | HB8: you appears to have missed step 2 |
| 18:08.30 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Volume title isn't part of the audio CD spec. |
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| 18:08.41 | leafwiz | jhutchins, yes. On laptop A everything looks good. But on laptop B iwconfig wlan0 returns a strange ESSID. It is supposed to be "hei" but it gives back a long hex code. iwlist wlan0 scanning seems fine though. |
| 18:08.42 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i didn't say it was? |
| 18:08.45 | HB8 | i understand . thank you so much. i will try that |
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| 18:09.42 | mms_ | hi I have fake usb flash of 128G kingston and it would not format. any one know how to fix it ? I tried diskpart but it just came back with error. it would not let me select parition without cleaning it. it will then let me create partition after cleaning, assign, format will complete but with error. |
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| 18:10.24 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: cfdisk or fdisk |
| 18:10.47 | greycat | wonders what "cleaning", "assign" and "format" mean. |
| 18:10.54 | greycat | "format" usually means mkfs, but the rest.... |
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| 18:11.11 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: I tried that quite a few times but does not really fix it... |
| 18:11.13 | Bushmills | "format"? |
| 18:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | leafwiz: So set the ssid. Check to see if the hex ssid is maybe the same. |
| 18:11.42 | jhutchins_lt | cfdisk or fdisk for partitioning, mkfs for formatting. |
| 18:13.03 | mms_ | Bushmills: neither format works...I have tried debian dd, fdisk, mkfs etc. hdparm, sdparm quite a few tricks...also while running those utilities all look OK but then as soon as I have finished and try to recheck the information rolls back ... |
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| 18:13.53 | Bushmills | mms_: what error does your attempt to partition your drive with fdisk or cfdisk result in? |
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| 18:14.40 | Bushmills | if none, what error do you get when trying to create a file system (using mkfs....) |
| 18:14.40 | greycat | Maybe he forgot to write the new partition table to the disk. |
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| 18:14.46 | mms_ | Bushmills: in windows it gives no error .....diskpart it will clean, create parition, etc but format will give error....I have made sure that in cfdisk to commit.... |
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| 18:15.22 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly the device is read-only. We have seen that before here. (Possibly from the same user). |
| 18:15.23 | mms_ | I have confirmed with kingston tech support that I have fake or counterfeit usb flash.... |
| 18:15.24 | Bushmills | well, then i suppose it has been partioned (if at all) and file system created allright |
| 18:15.37 | fxiny | mms_: what about gpart ? |
| 18:15.47 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: I have used the device / drive in past...it was rw.... |
| 18:15.56 | rking | Objects: Broadcom BCM4312 Wireless Card, known working wireless router, Debian sid (recently upgraded from lenny (and the wifi worked)), Broadcom "wl.ko" drivers. Symptoms: nm-applet claims no network devices and iwtools acts like the card is useless. |
| 18:16.09 | Bushmills | even though done with window, but linux shouldn't care much about what you used to create the file system with. |
| 18:16.12 | mms_ | fxiny: how different is gpart from fdisk...if fdisk did not work you think gpart can ? |
| 18:16.22 | fxiny | mms_: it just guess |
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| 18:17.02 | abrotman | rking: msg dpkg bcm4312 ? |
| 18:17.10 | mms_ | fxiny: thanks...I guess it would not really work either...any one knows why it rolls back ? if it was to error out right a away it would make more sense... |
| 18:17.31 | rking | Do I need to unplug my wired connection to test my wireless one? That is, do I have to do anything special to get both going at once? |
| 18:17.54 | Bushmills | mms_: you said you could "format" it all right. now what are you trying to do with that drive it it appeared to have been "formatted" successfully? |
| 18:17.55 | mms_ | I was here some week or two back...and gave up as ran out of time...so am back to see if any ideas... |
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| 18:18.03 | Bushmills | after it ... |
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| 18:18.24 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: We don't know what "rolls back" means. I'm guessing it means the changes do not take efect, hence the conclusion that the device is read-only. I don't know what "diskpart" is. |
| 18:18.32 | mms_ | Bushmills: I never said I could format it alright....I said it used to work when I purchased it until I tried to reformat... |
| 18:18.46 | rking | abrotman: Awww, nice---I didn't know there was debian-specific addressing of this hardware... I was just going straight through Broadcom's download page. |
| 18:18.50 | jhutchins_lt | 128G? |
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| 18:19.01 | abrotman | rking: i don't think it's debian specific, just a newer way |
| 18:19.02 | Bushmills | (20:14:46) mms_: Bushmills: in windows it gives no error |
| 18:19.11 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: yes its fake one....funny that it is reported so in both win and debian... |
| 18:19.23 | fxiny | mms_: of course it would not do , it could just say you have some weird things in it |
| 18:19.37 | Bushmills | mms_: you said that in reply to me asking what errors you get |
| 18:19.44 | mms_ | bushmills: I can use diskpart to clean, create partition, assign, so far good....on format it gives error... |
| 18:20.05 | Bushmills | mms_: have you, by any chance, tried any linux tools, or do you have a windows problem? |
| 18:20.06 | jez9999 | Hey, is it possible for a motherboard to destroy a PSU? |
| 18:20.15 | jez9999 | or, should i say, break a PSU |
| 18:20.21 | greycat | huh? |
| 18:20.43 | rking | abrotman: Well, I mean there's a package for it. Also this is completely relevant to my problem because it's for squeeze (that is, my lenny install had to use the old way, and my sid install gets to use the new way) |
| 18:21.23 | abrotman | right .. i said that |
| 18:21.26 | mms_ | Bushmills: as I said I tried dd to clear the partition table, cfdisk to create parition, mkfs to create file system....again fat32 can make only 4G large.... |
| 18:21.27 | leafwiz | jhutchins, yes. I have tried that. iwconfig wlan0 essid "hei", but the laptop will not associate. Only giving me a strange ESSID back |
| 18:21.28 | abrotman | jez9999: the power supply? |
| 18:21.45 | abrotman | jez9999: in the electronics world, many things are possible |
| 18:21.50 | Bushmills | mms_: but what you did not say, even though asked, is what error messages you got |
| 18:22.03 | MarkB1 | Q: having a heck of a time getting MacOSX (updated) 10.6/Snow.leopard to auth against (uptodate) Lenny Samba |
| 18:22.32 | greycat | MarkB1: #samba maybe? |
| 18:22.33 | MarkB1 | all other OS so far works -- AD is 2008r2 (not 100% sure of that name, but it's 2008 AD) |
| 18:22.43 | mms_ | Bushmills: for fat32 in win it says volume is too big...from cmd prompt.... |
| 18:22.53 | MarkB1 | greycat: well, it's Debian's version, which tends to be quite good |
| 18:22.59 | Bushmills | try mkfs.ext2 from linux |
| 18:23.07 | mms_ | Bushmills: from explorer it just format could not complete... |
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| 18:23.20 | mms_ | Bushmills: let me try... |
| 18:23.22 | Bushmills | i don't care about what windows or explorer allow you to do or not |
| 18:23.55 | MarkB1 | greycat: I may try lenny-backports Samba, just to get our (cardio researcher's) iMac to auth, sigh |
| 18:24.01 | MarkB1 | on Dev, of course... |
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| 18:24.47 | Fare | and if I want to get posix_spawn fixed, should I go find eglibc or glibc mailing lists or both? |
| 18:24.53 | MarkB1 | greycat: using Samba-bugzilla, you kinda have to know what to search for.... |
| 18:25.04 | MarkB1 | or be a Samba hacker |
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| 18:25.43 | MarkB1 | greycat: will do what you suggest :) |
| 18:26.00 | greycat | Most people in #debian don't know Samba as well as the people in #samba do. |
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| 18:26.26 | greycat | If the question is more complex than "how do I make my shares not read-only" then it's probably beyond #debian. |
| 18:28.14 | fxiny | wonders what the dutch national dance is tonight |
| 18:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | MarkB1: This is likely an OSX issue, not a Samba issue. |
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| 18:29.49 | Bushmills | fxiny: should you show allergetic reactions to anything related to football? |
| 18:29.55 | Bushmills | shouldn't ... |
| 18:31.03 | fxiny | Bushmills: i wa |
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| 18:31.16 | dutchfish | fxiny: i dont know what dance, but i do know it will be in a wasted state |
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| 18:31.44 | fxiny | Bushmills: i watched a game on my pc (inter barcelona) and it was like chess |
| 18:32.17 | fxiny | dutchfish: :) |
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| 18:32.55 | jhutchins_lt | assumes Holland won. |
| 18:33.13 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 18:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: Like chess as a dramatic strategic contest, or like watching paint dry? |
| 18:33.33 | mms_ | how to find out what /dev is usb flash associated with ? |
| 18:33.56 | fxiny | holland is the linux of football , before it was a crap game |
| 18:33.56 | greycat | dmesg |
| 18:34.25 | greycat | what does "the linux of football" mean? they changed the rules every 4 months? |
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| 18:34.40 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: strategic contest |
| 18:35.01 | Bushmills | probably that spectators can run onto the field and play along? |
| 18:35.16 | neilk | it means you can take the team and modify it however you wish |
| 18:35.34 | fxiny | it means that modern football ownes to holland almost everything |
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| 18:36.28 | fxiny | the grear holland team playd as a team/community |
| 18:36.33 | fxiny | great* |
| 18:37.05 | leafwiz | Are there any channels dedicated to wifi ? |
| 18:37.06 | Bushmills | what's their success with that? |
| 18:37.08 | leafwiz | on linux |
| 18:37.34 | fxiny | nothing , that's why i wish they get what they deserve |
| 18:37.36 | greycat | #wireless |
| 18:38.16 | mms_ | cfdisk /dev/sda asks me to create partition ...what to choose ? |
| 18:38.33 | mms_ | msdos ? |
| 18:38.40 | Bushmills | mms_: you don't really need to partiton an usb stick |
| 18:38.55 | Bushmills | you can create file system on the device, rather than on a partition |
| 18:39.03 | mms_ | bushmills: ok |
| 18:39.49 | Bushmills | your choice, essentially. doesn't hurt to, but isn't strictly needed |
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| 18:40.13 | Bushmills | if you want to be able to boot from it, you'd want a partition |
| 18:40.53 | neilk | partitioning a usb stick is usually a good idea i think |
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| 18:43.20 | Burnx | Hello |
| 18:43.23 | Burnx | How to install libusb 1.0.x |
| 18:43.29 | Afshin | Hi every one |
| 18:44.02 | Afshin | Can anyone work with TC |
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| 18:44.32 | Delvien | looking to possibly switch from Ubu to Debian, debian is the more stable of the two correct? |
| 18:45.00 | mms_ | Bushmills: I created mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda and it completed fine....now as I mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /media/disk....it says wrong fs type, bad option.... |
| 18:46.08 | Afshin | Can anyone work with TC ? |
| 18:46.45 | neilk | what is tc? |
| 18:46.52 | mms_ | if I did -t ubsfs it mounted but in the directory I see some 001 002 003 004 005 devices |
| 18:46.59 | fxiny | neilk: thank you ;) |
| 18:47.57 | greycat | mms_: is there no partition table on the disk? Is that why you're using /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1? |
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| 18:48.06 | Afshin | neik: tc is traffic control package |
| 18:48.25 | mms_ | greycat: yes....as bushmills said i dont need to create parition....so I did so.... |
| 18:48.40 | Afshin | neilk: tc is traffic control package |
| 18:48.59 | mms_ | greycat: so I did just one command of mkfs.ext2....nothing else...then tried mounting... |
| 18:49.53 | Bushmills | what is the mount command you used? |
| 18:50.23 | mms_ | mount -t usbfs /dev/sda /media/disk |
| 18:50.35 | Bushmills | don't use -t usbfs |
| 18:50.37 | greycat | that's not what he said the first time |
| 18:50.41 | Bushmills | your file system is ext2 |
| 18:50.46 | mms_ | -t ext2 failed.... |
| 18:50.50 | Bushmills | (i think it is) |
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| 18:50.56 | neilk | tc is complicated but there are good howtos: http://lartc.org/ |
| 18:51.18 | mms_ | Bushmills: I created mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda and it completed fine....now as I mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /media/disk....it says wrong fs type, bad option.... |
| 18:51.22 | Bushmills | give complete commands, and complete errors. nobody can read your screen |
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| 18:52.50 | Bushmills | make sure the directory you intend to use as mountpoint actually exists |
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| 18:53.21 | mms_ | Bushmills: it does... |
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| 18:53.53 | Bushmills | if it does, run diskinfo /dev/sda and pastebin the output |
| 18:54.12 | Bushmills | sorry, disktype i mean |
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| 18:54.53 | mms_ | no diskinfo |
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| 18:55.46 | mms_ | I dont have diskinfo command... |
| 18:55.51 | sthon | Anyone know of a working etch repo? |
| 18:56.03 | greycat | !install it |
| 18:56.03 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 18:56.14 | qq- | sthon, /msg dpkg ado |
| 18:56.15 | Bushmills | mms_: are you using ubuntu, by any chance? |
| 18:56.43 | fxiny | Bushmills: good one ;) |
| 18:57.36 | sthon | qq-: thanks. |
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| 18:59.13 | qq- | np |
| 19:00.22 | mms_ | I just plugged in ethernet cable in debian netbook....how do I configure eth0 ? I tried ifconfig eth0 up...gives error eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device... |
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| 19:01.13 | qq- | mms_, /msg dpkg 70 |
| 19:02.51 | mms_ | any one know how to config the eth0 ? I have dhcp |
| 19:03.20 | greycat | mms_: man interfaces |
| 19:03.46 | greycat | mms_: see also /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 19:04.42 | batta | hay may i know why i cant access root account in debian os |
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| 19:05.12 | greycat | Probably because you're typing the wrong password. |
| 19:05.18 | mms_ | greycat: fails to bring up eth0....same error....related to no such device... |
| 19:05.33 | mms_ | if I reboot I know it will come up fine... |
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| 19:06.11 | batta | no i did its correct |
| 19:06.31 | fxiny | can you prove it ? ;P |
| 19:06.31 | greycat | batta: what, precisely, are you trying to do? su? sudo? logging in on a text console? logging in through gdm? |
| 19:07.27 | batta | no no if i enter other account and give su it accepts root password but not at beginning |
| 19:07.47 | greycat | So su works, but you can't login as root in your graphical environment, right? |
| 19:07.55 | greycat | That's by design. Don't login as root. |
| 19:08.01 | batta | ya ur rite |
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| 19:08.24 | greycat | "Yeah" "you're" "right" |
| 19:08.30 | batta | y i can't |
| 19:08.49 | greycat | Because GNOME and KDE and so on are not secure enough to login as root. |
| 19:09.50 | batta | oh k thanks greycat |
| 19:10.48 | mms_ | any one knows why this for onboard ethernet my netbook gives this issue....unplug, plug ethernet on fly after boot does not .....network-manager seems to not work well... |
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| 19:11.35 | mms_ | I see sky2 in lsmod... |
| 19:11.47 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-get install speling" |
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| 19:14.21 | mms_ | qq-: I already see entry for eth0 in udev file you mentioned... |
| 19:15.39 | mms_ | qq-: it mentions sky in comment before the entry.... |
| 19:15.46 | mms_ | sky2 I mean... |
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| 19:17.33 | qq- | mms_, paste it |
| 19:17.41 | mms_ | onboard ethernet has issue with unplugged cable on boot....though have network-manager it does not serve....any idea how to fix... |
| 19:18.18 | mms_ | qq-: my m/c is not on net yet...thats what I am resolving currently... |
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| 19:18.40 | qq- | boot with that cable |
| 19:18.52 | mms_ | qq-: that only solution.... |
| 19:18.55 | mms_ | well... |
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| 19:19.52 | dreamon | sry for this interruption. does anybody know a place where I can find a schematic of a asus netbook eeepc 701. already fix some smd parts. but without scheamtic it seams to be hopeless. |
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| 19:23.51 | abrotman | dreamon: maybe ask ##electronics? |
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| 19:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.54 | dreamon | thanks i will give it a try. |
| 19:24.59 | greycat | or #ubuntu-eeepc |
| 19:25.13 | jordanm | why not #debian-eeepc? |
| 19:25.28 | greycat | because "/msg alis list *eeepc*" didn't give me that. |
| 19:25.38 | jordanm | ah, yeah, its on OFTC |
| 19:26.21 | mms_ | lenny does not have diskinfo |
| 19:26.42 | mms_ | I dont really know then how I should install it |
| 19:27.05 | qq- | mms_, /msg dpkg as |
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| 19:28.32 | greycat | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=diskinfo&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any doesn't seem to think there is any such file either. |
| 19:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | as? |
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| 19:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's that program called that seems to auto-suggest packages in ubuntu? |
| 19:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I'll give it a try |
| 19:30.28 | jordanm | you mean when "command not found" is returned by the shell? |
| 19:30.40 | neilk | it's dash, isn't it? |
| 19:30.47 | greycat | dash is a POSIX shell |
| 19:30.47 | abrotman | no, there's a package for it |
| 19:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... prints something "you can install package xxx bla bla" |
| 19:31.13 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I saw that on fedora, no idea on what it is/called though |
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| 19:31.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it must do something like an apt-file search for bin/<command>$ |
| 19:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, command-not-found |
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| 19:32.23 | jordanm | the one in fedora seemed to occur faster than "yum provides *bin/foo" |
| 19:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I already got that installed |
| 19:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... that's why I wanted to try |
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| 19:32.46 | jordanm | I would think that it restricts a file list to only binaries, so there is less to search through |
| 19:32.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess I'm just missing the hooks in bashrc/profile |
| 19:33.13 | neilk | yeah |
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| 19:33.13 | neilk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.14 | neilk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.19 | neilk | oh, that |
| 19:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 19:33.20 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 19:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/share/doc/command-not-found/README.Debian |
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| 19:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | This version is a bit different to the Ubuntu one: |
| 19:34.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 19:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | what they describe sounds slow |
| 19:35.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder what the ubuntu version does |
| 19:35.10 | neilk | it's slow on ubuntu, at least |
| 19:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... why doesn't the file tell me what I need to configure in the shell |
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| 19:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, the regular README does |
| 19:35.56 | mms_ | Bushmills: diskinfo I cannot really find the package...they show up as applets for gdesklets... |
| 19:36.09 | mms_ | Bushmills: it that one I should install ? |
| 19:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | neilk, I've only seen it on another guys ubuntu system... seemed fast to me |
| 19:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that was a laptop |
| 19:36.36 | Bushmills | (20:54:11) Bushmills: sorry, disktype i mean |
| 19:36.50 | neilk | on my laptop with ubuntu it is noticably slow |
| 19:37.07 | Bushmills | slower than with debian? |
| 19:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft, you're supposed to add . /etc/bash_command_not_found to bashrc, but that file doesn't exist |
| 19:37.13 | jordanm | on fedora it seemed very fast, but buggy when you attemtped to say "y" to install |
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| 19:37.33 | jordanm | ,file /etc/bash_command_not_found --release sid |
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| 19:37.37 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | README.Debian should really say something about that... |
| 19:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be able to use the one intended for zsh in bash |
| 19:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, mabbe not |
| 19:39.26 | mms_ | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/2WjAQp44 |
| 19:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | no manpage either |
| 19:39.54 | mms_ | Bushmills: I rebooted so now the usb flash is mounted on /dev/sda this time... |
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| 19:40.01 | Bushmills | mms_: there doesn't seem to be a file system on it. |
| 19:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's against policy, no? |
| 19:40.14 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: if it is a binary, yes |
| 19:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's /usr/bin/command-not-found, but no manpage |
| 19:40.32 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: "man bash", look for command_not_found_handle |
| 19:40.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | only for binaries? |
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| 19:40.39 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I believe lintian automatically files bugs against those upon upload |
| 19:40.40 | greycat | The version of bash in lenny has it. |
| 19:40.49 | Bushmills | mms_: try creating ext2 file system again, and add -v option, for verbose |
| 19:40.50 | neilk | probably the /etc file is supposed to set the handle for you |
| 19:40.58 | mms_ | ok |
| 19:40.59 | Bushmills | also, show the command you're using. |
| 19:41.06 | Bushmills | and execute it as root |
| 19:41.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, aaah - was that supposed to be obvious? :) |
| 19:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it also needs a function, not a program |
| 19:42.21 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: right, and such a function is usually sourced by /etc/profile or somethihg |
| 19:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, I only think the function should be shipped in the package, as /usr/share/doc/command-not-found/README says it is... |
| 19:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | (but isn't) |
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| 19:43.08 | greycat | (If it were up to me, I'd tell the user who wants to use it, "Add this line to your ~/.bashrc file: source /whatever") |
| 19:43.21 | DJAshnar | what is the latest build of Debian on DVDs? |
| 19:43.39 | greycat | You can put anything you want on a DVD. |
| 19:43.46 | DJAshnar | even pizza? |
| 19:43.48 | mms_ | Bushmills: done...http://pastebin.com/20VnP6ii |
| 19:43.57 | abrotman | DJAshnar: might affect the flavor |
| 19:43.57 | greycat | It would have to be a very small pizza. |
| 19:44.01 | abrotman | Elios! |
| 19:44.15 | DJAshnar | phtalocyanine dye tastes nasty |
| 19:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, that's what the README does... only that the file you're supposed to source is missing |
| 19:44.36 | Bushmills | do disktype command on device again |
| 19:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I'll try to delay squeeze some more and file a bug |
| 19:45.24 | mms_ | Bushmills: same info |
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| 19:46.22 | mms_ | Bushmills: as earlier ...should I paste it? |
| 19:46.32 | DJAshnar | pasties! |
| 19:46.41 | DJAshnar | twirls his nip nips |
| 19:47.11 | mms_ | Bushmills: what do you expect to see ? |
| 19:47.41 | Bushmills | information that a file system exists on the device |
| 19:48.04 | DJAshnar | wonders why his lappy hates ACPI with a drunken kung fu vengance under linux |
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| 19:48.35 | wildc4rd | evenin' all! |
| 19:48.35 | DJAshnar | Toshiba Satellite c655D |
| 19:49.00 | mms_ | Bushmills: so I dont see that... |
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| 19:49.56 | mms_ | ok its bit late for me now... |
| 19:49.59 | mms_ | I go to bed... |
| 19:50.00 | mms_ | bye |
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| 19:54.51 | D-Boy | Hi, how can i set the metric value for an interface ? |
| 19:55.12 | abrotman | is'nt that in the ifconfig man page? |
| 19:55.23 | neilk | ifconfig <device> metric <n> |
| 19:55.26 | neilk | thank you come again |
| 19:55.37 | abrotman | !mtu |
| 19:55.38 | dpkg | [mtu] Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (iputils-tracepath package) can find out about. An interface's MTU can be set in /etc/network/interfaces (ask me about <interfaces>) for static interfaces only; for DHCP, use "supersede interface-mtu X" in an interface block within /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (Debian bug #294044). The MTU can also be given as an option to <pppd> (man 8 pppd). |
| 19:56.36 | DJAshnar | Burning Debian Server off my 1TB external. YAY! |
| 19:56.41 | DJAshnar | This should free a few GB |
| 19:57.02 | D-Boy | neilk : SIOCSIFMETRIC: Operation not supported :/ |
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| 19:57.15 | D-Boy | abrotman : yes... i should read more man pages before asking sorry ^^ |
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| 19:57.39 | DJAshnar | Question time since I am a newb with Deb. What are the advantages of going pure Debian over other builds? |
| 19:57.56 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... how can i pass the file name in custom-openWith ? |
| 19:58.05 | abrotman | DJAshnar: you get to ask questions here |
| 19:58.12 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: usually %s .. depends on the app though |
| 19:58.19 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, ok |
| 19:58.44 | neilk | the card probably doesn't support it, then? you could set the metric on the route, that's software |
| 19:59.01 | DJAshnar | Abrotman - I understand that. And I did ask a question :) |
| 19:59.08 | DJAshnar | likes being facetious, also |
| 19:59.14 | abrotman | DJAshnar: that is a huge benefit for a lot of people .. i wasn't joking |
| 19:59.20 | abrotman | DJAshnar: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 20:06.29 | njbair | I have PAM configured to use sha512 to encrypt unix passwords. Does that use a salt or straight sha512 hash? |
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| 20:10.16 | LLIypuk | hi folks. How can i safely remove okular from my lenny/KDE3.5 box? I didn't know it's KDE4-based, so that installation was my fault (btw, it bloats my box with additional pkgs ~90MB size) |
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| 20:12.00 | foo | I feel like when I update files on my system with apt-get update and upgrade, rkhunter complains that files have changed. I tried rkhunter --update but nothing was updated. am I missing something? seems like rkhunter should know it's a newer version |
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| 20:15.03 | rottenrecords | hey neilk |
| 20:15.38 | neilk | hi |
| 20:16.11 | rottenrecords | and karsten |
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| 20:17.10 | rottenrecords | What do you guys use to send magic packets for Wake-on-Lan? |
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| 20:18.39 | segfault | I use my wand, personally. |
| 20:19.01 | rottenrecords | what if I don't have a wand? |
| 20:19.17 | rottenrecords | can i use a sharpened carrot stick? |
| 20:19.42 | neilk | i used ether-wake |
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| 20:21.21 | rottenrecords | hrmm... i need something like this for windows |
| 20:22.31 | neilk | http://www.depicus.com/wake-on-lan/ |
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| 20:25.21 | mtn | y |
| 20:26.31 | jhutchins_lt | foo: Mine always updates, but I always use aptitude. |
| 20:26.46 | rottenrecords | this should work |
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| 20:36.23 | foo | jhutchins_lt: hmm |
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| 20:43.02 | goldins | how do I make apt-mirror regenerate the package indexes? |
| 20:43.02 | rednammoc | hi guys. "man 2 write" returns "no manual entry". why ? or how to install ? any ideas ? |
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| 20:44.25 | greycat | apt-get install manpages-dev |
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| 20:46.56 | rednammoc | greycat: yeah. thx! |
| 20:47.11 | jhutchins_lt | rednammoc: apropos write? |
| 20:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | rednammoc: I see man 1, no man 2 |
| 20:48.02 | neilk | that's because you don't have manpages-dev :) |
| 20:48.13 | rednammoc | neilk: you're right ^^ |
| 20:48.14 | tdn | When there are upgrades for packages such as nfs-kernel-server, heartbeat, drbd, samba and other critical services, they are automatically restarted upon installation of the new package. This is extremely dangerous on some systems where these services are in use. Is it possible to disable automatic restart of services (or just specific services) in debconf (or whatever is doing this)? So that you just install the updated packages, but wait and restart a |
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| 20:49.07 | spersaud | how come this update-manager is behaving like this? It only dissapears when I do aptitude update && aptitude upgrade ?? |
| 20:49.21 | spersaud | I see a big orange sign all the time, its very annoying |
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| 20:49.25 | spersaud | I have notifier installed |
| 20:49.30 | neilk | why would you want to upgrade programs that are in use? that can cause other problems if you don't restart |
| 20:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were cut off after " and restart a" as well |
| 20:50.05 | rednammoc | jhutchins_lt: man 2 write gives you the syscall manpage of write |
| 20:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but actually I think packages are supposed to restart things in a safe way? |
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| 20:50.39 | patterson | id you do to it |
| 20:50.48 | patterson | jeh |
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| 20:52.08 | craigevil | spersaud: remove the annoying update-notifier , problem solved :) |
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| 20:53.31 | cfdisk | Anyone ever used any software to send the backup to amazon s3? |
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| 21:01.45 | patterson | she kills |
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| 21:06.32 | MariaKeys | hello folks. is there someone well-versed with ext3 recovery? |
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| 21:10.49 | ABLomas | hi! Stuck a bit on one small problem - for some reason mdadm keeps kicking one drive from array, log and mdadm -E... here: http://paste.debian.net/79407/ |
| 21:11.35 | ABLomas | i can simply re-add drive to array, they rebuilds - everything is fine.... I tried to remove each drive from array, zero superblock - the same |
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| 21:13.19 | Lns | ABLomas, have you ruled out power/hardware issue with the drive? |
| 21:13.53 | ABLomas | other partitions on this drive works without any issues |
| 21:14.02 | ABLomas | so, i think that's something with configuration |
| 21:14.38 | ABLomas | looks a bit strange, mdadm tells that both drives are added and still, "dev/system has been started with 1 drive (out of 2)" |
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| 21:20.35 | alexxio | hi |
| 21:20.40 | alexxio | i have a newbie question |
| 21:20.51 | alexxio | cause i cant use fine aptitude :P |
| 21:21.32 | alexxio | i want to install sun-java6-jre but if i do aptitude install sun-ava6-jre it returns and says no packets will be downloaded |
| 21:21.51 | alexxio | how can i see if i already have it and howto install it if i dont? |
| 21:22.19 | craigevil | !java |
| 21:22.19 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:22.43 | craigevil | alexxio: add contrib non-free to your sources.list |
| 21:23.00 | alexxio | wait...sun-java5-jre says aptitude will download |
| 21:23.05 | alexxio | why java6 not? |
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| 21:23.35 | alexxio | !dpkg install java |
| 21:23.35 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 21:23.47 | alexxio | !dpkg install java-jre |
| 21:23.52 | alexxio | !dpkg install jre |
| 21:24.06 | mako-sama | alexxio: it's available from non-free |
| 21:24.22 | alexxio | ok |
| 21:24.22 | qq- | alexxio, /msg dpkg selftell |
| 21:24.26 | craigevil | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 21:24.27 | judd | sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-4 |
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| 21:24.48 | alexxio | i dont wanna be wrong but i think i have nonfree rep isntalled |
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| 21:26.01 | andihit | how should I install python packages on debian (if it's not in apt)? easy_install, pip, or run the setup.py from the package? |
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| 21:29.11 | Fozzy | when I create a deb with dpkg-buildpackage, is the deb itself signed, or just the changes/sources (dsc)? |
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| 21:31.43 | alexxio | craigevil: i already have nonfree :( |
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| 21:31.59 | alexxio | and i jsut discovered that i need jre6 and not 5 :( |
| 21:32.00 | ciao | Ciaooo |
| 21:32.06 | ciao | !list |
| 21:32.06 | dpkg | ciao: VATTENE VIA |
| 21:32.20 | craigevil | alexxio: aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
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| 21:32.42 | alexxio | same as before it returs |
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| 21:33.00 | craigevil | alexxio: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 21:34.25 | alexxio | http://pastebin.org/376683 |
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| 21:35.41 | rical | anyone know how I can test what textcoding a filename has? I figured out how to change it wid iconv, but not how to test if its utf-8 for example |
| 21:36.05 | neilk | 'file' sometimes works |
| 21:36.34 | rical | neilk: unfortunally not as its a dir |
| 21:36.41 | alexxio | craigevil: http://pastebin.org/376683 |
| 21:37.37 | neilk | ls | file - |
| 21:38.19 | rical | neilk: ? |
| 21:38.28 | rical | thats just what it would be if I create it? |
| 21:38.45 | rical | its ben created over samba by a windows computer |
| 21:38.54 | craigevil | alexxio: looks fine but you might want to clean up the duplicate lines |
| 21:38.58 | neilk | using - means to use stdin as the file; ls (you can also specify the filename or path) will show the.. filename |
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| 21:39.54 | alexxio | craigevil: which? :P |
| 21:40.21 | alexxio | alexxio: contrib? |
| 21:40.44 | craigevil | alexxio: you have two line for lenny and 2 for security |
| 21:40.45 | neilk | rical: http://pastebin.org/376710 |
| 21:41.48 | craigevil | alexxio: try commenting the first two repos from your paste then run aptitude update |
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| 21:43.22 | alexxio | craigevil: sorry, i comment lines #6 & 7? |
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| 21:44.58 | craigevil | alexxio: 6,7,9 and 10 |
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| 21:45.57 | alexxio | ok |
| 21:45.59 | alexxio | thanks you |
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| 21:48.04 | rares | which fonts do I need |
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| 21:48.21 | neilk | that depends on what language you speak |
| 21:48.26 | rares | http://www.miyavimatanen.blogspot.com/ |
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| 21:48.57 | rares | I want the codes to go away |
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| 21:49.23 | rares | btw what's the between X fonts and ttf fonts |
| 21:51.09 | neilk | short answer: different format |
| 21:51.34 | neilk | http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-france may help |
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| 21:52.17 | neilk | short answer again: ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho xfonts-intl-japanese gsfonts-wadalab-mincho |
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| 22:03.21 | RichiH | is there a rss reader that uses google reader as a backend? |
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| 22:04.47 | neilk | yeah... google reader :) |
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| 23:09.51 | ebanders | can anyone suggest a tool for viewing diffs generated by bsdiff? |
| 23:09.54 | jalalsfs | Hi |
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| 23:10.22 | FraCat1983 | hell w |
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| 23:15.39 | FraCat1983 | what it eat? |
| 23:15.54 | jalalsfs | I'v lenny debian, I want to change it to squeeze, What can I do? |
| 23:16.38 | FraCat1983 | why? |
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| 23:16.44 | craigevil | jalalsfs: /msg lenny->squeeze |
| 23:16.45 | DevNullnDull | Im looking for a step by step way to setup a setup a network installation for centos. Could someone point me in the right direction? I need to use a PXE server |
| 23:17.06 | DevNullnDull | sorry wrong channel |
| 23:17.56 | jalalsfs | craigevil, What's that? |
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| 23:19.38 | Guest89656 | jalalsfs: the right command is /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 23:19.59 | craigevil | jalalsfs: sorry left out the dpkg part, it should be /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 23:43.43 | lpetrov | q: whats the difference between debian and ubuntu ? (as a server os) |
| 23:44.16 | comradekingu | debian is, ubuntu isnt |
| 23:45.22 | lpetrov | ok, i was hopeing someone say that |
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| 23:47.27 | lpetrov | hm, whats the difference between ubuntu server and debian server management ? something special :? (there are init.d scripts and aptitude as i know) |
| 23:48.15 | zebradog | lpetrov, just bother and learn one. |
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| 23:50.35 | jaggz1 | anyone use meld? it doesn't run in lenny... |
| 23:51.00 | jaggz1 | trying the latest version and I'm getting some other python error... missing_reqs("pygtk", pygtkver...) |
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| 23:51.57 | inspiron | sorry guys a little out of topic but can I find out what connection my hdd has from lspci? |
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| 23:52.15 | jaggz1 | yet I have python-gtk installed.. sigh. |
| 23:52.18 | noesc | I get "skip RSN IE - PTK chiper mismatch" from running wpa_supplicant. Tried to find the cause on google, but no go. Anyone here that knows about the cause/meaning of it? |
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