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| 00:04.38 | ryoohki | is there a sperate channel for debian arm? |
| 00:04.57 | konr | Where can I get libsdl-1.2.so? I've downloaded the package, `dpkg -x`'d it, yet in the directory all I have is a symbolic link for a non-existent file :( |
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| 00:05.06 | simonrvn | noesc: "skip real soon now internet explorer - phuck the krabs mismatch"? |
| 00:05.36 | simonrvn | ryoohki: #debian-arm on oftc |
| 00:06.25 | jaggz1 | Meld requires pygtk 2.8.0 or higher. |
| 00:06.30 | jaggz1 | sighs |
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| 00:08.13 | noesc | simonrvn: Very helpful, thanks |
| 00:08.51 | jaggz1 | debian's meld release: ImportError: /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/gtk-2.0/gobject/_gobject.so: undefined symbol: PySignal_SetWakeupFd |
| 00:10.25 | konr | Where can I get a .so file from a package? When I download one and extract it, in the directory all I get is a symbolic link for a non-existent file :( |
| 00:11.09 | woodworks | running a local install cd can i install to a usb stick? (4 meg) debian testing |
| 00:11.54 | konr | woodworks: nope, you need to make it bootable |
| 00:12.34 | konr | woodworks: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:12.47 | konr | oh, to |
| 00:13.45 | woodworks | konr: well, i did put an iso image on it thinking it was live, but its an install iso, so it boots but asks to do an install |
| 00:14.23 | woodworks | konr: ok thanks for the source off to check it out |
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| 00:15.01 | konr | woodworks: np! |
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| 00:18.43 | dongs | 4 meg usb stick?? |
| 00:18.53 | dongs | did you just fall out of a delorean |
| 00:19.58 | zebradog | dongs, you only 4? LOL.. you so small |
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| 01:09.15 | simonrvn | noesc: a bit of humour :) |
| 01:09.28 | dongs | waht |
| 01:11.53 | noesc | simonrvn: Could be so, but not that much helpful |
| 01:12.49 | simonrvn | not helpful in the usual sense, but it is in a "lighten the mood" way ;). i wish i could help more tangibly, but i can't. |
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| 01:13.11 | simonrvn | good luck with that. oh, maybe check out the source code for the driver? |
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| 01:13.21 | simonrvn | noesc: ^^ |
| 01:13.53 | simonrvn | would give you a bit of context, then recompile it with some printks or something |
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| 01:16.21 | ryoohki | i'm runnning debian on an android g1 phone and ssh keeps closing( broekn pipe). i suspect the wifi is going to sleep and was wondering is ssh can be woken up as well? |
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| 01:19.07 | FabParma | Please, how to create a link on desktop for "aptitude" to work as root, maybe asking for password on launch? At the moment it works only as unpreveliged task |
| 01:19.24 | dondelelcaro | ryoohki: you could try setting ServerAliveInterval or similar |
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| 01:20.20 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: su-to-root aptitude; will start a terminal, ask for the root password, and run aptitude |
| 01:21.59 | micols | anybody have some experience with aoe/nbd ? what would you recommend for diskless client rootfs (nfs is too slow for programs using lots of io/small files like firefox) |
| 01:22.15 | dondelelcaro | micols: NFS should be perfectly fine even in that case |
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| 01:22.48 | dondelelcaro | micols: though it's certainly appropriate to use memory backed temp filesystems if it's really a problem |
| 01:22.54 | FabParma | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:22.56 | micols | dondelelcaro: firefox is really slow.. but the client can ping server with 0.1ms pingtime and fetch 127MB/s (gigabit speed on large files) |
| 01:23.06 | dondelelcaro | micols: slow at which points? |
| 01:23.11 | micols | dondelelcaro: tried tmpfs several times, it wasn't a real cure |
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| 01:23.46 | micols | dondelelcaro: slow fetching homedir in firefox dir listing (opening file dialog), slow firefox browsing and opening tabs (firefox writes a large database file over the network) |
| 01:23.54 | dondelelcaro | micols: which revision of NFS? are you doing NFS over tcp? what does nfsstat report? |
| 01:24.04 | FraCast1983 | send last msg |
| 01:24.08 | micols | nfsv3, and tcp yes.. also tried jumboframes with same results (9000bytes) |
| 01:24.15 | ryoohki | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 01:24.22 | dondelelcaro | well, jumboframes isn't going to help you much |
| 01:24.25 | FraCast1983 | away |
| 01:24.33 | dondelelcaro | ryoohki: np |
| 01:24.39 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: np |
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| 01:25.08 | micols | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/SBAfEe5Y |
| 01:25.34 | micols | funny that it uses nfsv2.. i was sure I had to hack the init script in the server to enable nfs3 only (nfs2 could max write 2GB files) |
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| 01:25.56 | dondelelcaro | micols: that's up to the client, actually... |
| 01:26.57 | micols | dondelelcaro: it is very slow, tried various rsize,wsize,async options etc in fstab |
| 01:27.06 | micols | and tmpfs'es |
| 01:27.26 | dondelelcaro | micols: and how slow is listing the files directly in the terminal? and/or stating them? what filesystem is on the server? |
| 01:27.31 | dondelelcaro | micols: how many clients are using the server? |
| 01:27.48 | micols | dondelelcaro: only one |
| 01:28.38 | micols | xfs fs, raid6 on server |
| 01:28.43 | micols | ls --color=auto 0,02s user 0,10s system 5% cpu 2,392 total |
| 01:28.48 | micols | takes 2.4seconds to list my homedir.. |
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| 01:31.13 | dondelelcaro | micols: how many files are we talking about here? |
| 01:31.34 | micols | http://pastebin.com/mnxWC7Ji , that is stating * in $HOME.. seems fast enough |
| 01:32.12 | micols | 1314 files dondelelcaro .. but my new $HOME is smaller.. and it is still slow (new home I am having trouble with is only 50 files) |
| 01:32.41 | dondelelcaro | micols: hrm... that seems really odd, because it takes me about 6 seconds using NFS with 15K files... |
| 01:33.09 | dondelelcaro | NFS is *very* sensitive to any kind of network connectivity issue |
| 01:33.45 | dondelelcaro | micols: is the server running Debian? Is it running the same kernel as the client? |
| 01:33.46 | micols | 0.045s to ls the $HOME on the server, but 2.4seconds on the client.. client has ping 0.05 to 0.1ms to server and can fetch 120MB/s on large files |
| 01:33.59 | micols | dondelelcaro: yes debian.. and no different kernels (unsupported kernels) |
| 01:34.33 | micols | 2.6.22.1 on client, 2.6.30.1_xfs-downpatch on server :p |
| 01:34.38 | dondelelcaro | uh... |
| 01:34.50 | dondelelcaro | that's not going to work particularly well |
| 01:34.59 | grand_grunt | Is this boot image: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-sparc/current/images/netboot/boot.img able to ask for boot parameters (using bootparamd) and mount root over NFS? |
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| 01:35.31 | dondelelcaro | micols: I'd upgrade to at least 2.6.26; the more mismatched they are, the more likely you are to have NFS performance problems |
| 01:35.47 | dondelelcaro | micols: it's also odd that you have *any* retrans; you shouldn't have them unless your network is suspect |
| 01:36.04 | micols | yes, I am thinking of upgrading my client kernel now that I got rid of my ati card (fglrx didn't compile on anything more recent than 2.6.22.1 here) |
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| 01:36.16 | dondelelcaro | here, out of 5M calls, there are 0 retransmissions... |
| 01:36.36 | micols | nvidia works with all kernels, fresh from kernel.org (will need that since I use rootfs on nfs) |
| 01:36.46 | dondelelcaro | micols: why aren't you using Debian kernels? |
| 01:37.06 | micols | (rootfs on nfs) |
| 01:37.09 | dondelelcaro | so? |
| 01:38.41 | dondelelcaro | you just use a normal kernel and an initrd; it's pretty straightforward... |
| 01:39.00 | dongs | people still use initrd in 2010? |
| 01:39.06 | dondelelcaro | dongs: of course |
| 01:39.07 | FabParma | maxwellian: what is the "update manager"? Do you mean the "Ubuntu software center"? |
| 01:39.11 | micols | initramfs i think |
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| 01:39.19 | dongs | dondelelcaro: why? |
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| 01:39.34 | dondelelcaro | dongs: how else do you plan on supporting a few hundred different system configurations? |
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| 01:39.44 | dongs | dondelelcaro: ...? |
| 01:40.18 | dondelelcaro | dongs: ? |
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| 01:41.19 | csweet | hello |
| 01:42.17 | csweet | anyone here? |
| 01:42.30 | heroxbd | Hello. How can I disable the framebuffer when booting? |
| 01:42.51 | heroxbd | disable the kernel module "i915" |
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| 01:44.28 | micols | dondelelcaro: debian kernel wasn't an option on the server, that is why I don't use it |
| 01:45.10 | blast_hardcheese | What is responsible for dimming and eventually shutting a monitor off? I notice that when my machine is idling on gdm the monitor will go into power save, but if I'm logged into wmii, it never does |
| 01:45.21 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a package or a daemon that I can tie in somewhere to accomplish this? |
| 01:46.02 | micols | it needed mdadm from 2.6.30 or above linux to assemble the raid, and xfs was broken from >=2.6.30 so it had to be patched down to 2.6.27 |
| 01:46.19 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 01:46.29 | gapz | blast_hardcheese: xset dpms ? |
| 01:46.35 | dondelelcaro | YA reason why I don't use XFS |
| 01:46.35 | blast_hardcheese | Wait, xfs is broken in 2.6.30+? |
| 01:47.13 | FabParma | how to run a command from a batch? I made a file.sh inside i written "sensors" to check the cpu temperature, but if I try to launch it nothing happens. What to do? |
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| 01:47.27 | gapz | (xset dpms and xset s) |
| 01:47.30 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: chmod +x file.sh; ./file.sh; |
| 01:47.40 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: assuming it starts with #!/bin/sh |
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| 01:48.03 | micols | it is nice not having to run quotacheck or check fs with spontaneous reboots.. although I did have to resync the 15TB raid 5-6 times or so when it oopsed, and then xfs_repair each 12 lvm2 partitions one at a time |
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| 01:48.33 | micols | it is nice that it isn't oopsing anymore.. the seagate disks had issues too all of them.. had to firmware update 8 of them :) |
| 01:48.35 | FabParma | dondelelcaro: the file name is: "cpu.sh" |
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| 01:48.43 | blast_hardcheese | gapz: gotcha |
| 01:48.44 | micols | they would freeze half the time |
| 01:49.03 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: so change the name... |
| 01:49.34 | heroxbd | hello guys, my new thinkpad x201i just give black screen in boot process after the i915 module is loaded |
| 01:49.53 | micols | heroxbd: you might be able to use i810, or 'intel' driver |
| 01:49.53 | heroxbd | I want to disable that module in the boot process |
| 01:49.56 | dondelelcaro | micols: anyway, NFS should work just as well as any other network filesystem in that situation; best of lock with that |
| 01:50.10 | dondelelcaro | s/lock/luck/ |
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| 01:50.18 | micols | heroxbd: maybe you can disable in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 01:50.20 | heroxbd | micols: It not related to Xorg. It is in the kernel loading process |
| 01:50.50 | heroxbd | micols: Can I pass some kernel boot parameter to disable it? |
| 01:51.01 | dongs | how about.. not compiling that module.. |
| 01:51.07 | heroxbd | because I cann't get into a non-black screen system |
| 01:51.08 | micols | heroxbd: no.. you might have to make a new initramfs if it is loaded that early |
| 01:51.20 | micols | update-initramfs is your friend |
| 01:51.25 | heroxbd | ok... |
| 01:51.33 | heroxbd | let me try to ssh to my machine... |
| 01:51.34 | blast_hardcheese | debian-live is your friend as well |
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| 01:51.47 | blast_hardcheese | so are netinstall environments |
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| 01:51.53 | heroxbd | blast_hardcheese: debian-install text mode went find |
| 01:51.56 | heroxbd | s/find/fine |
| 01:52.06 | micols | blast_hardcheese: debootstrap is my best friend :) |
| 01:52.13 | blast_hardcheese | micols: :D |
| 01:52.13 | heroxbd | micols: yeah. |
| 01:52.16 | obsidieth | im having some troubles with my toshiba satellite a30's cpu reading at almost half the speed it should. |
| 01:52.22 | obsidieth | 1.5GHz vs its supposed 2.4 |
| 01:52.31 | micols | but that is what the debian installer is using behind all that fancy guy anyway |
| 01:52.34 | obsidieth | even with (from what i can see) all scaling daemons shut down |
| 01:52.35 | micols | gui* |
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| 01:52.52 | blast_hardcheese | obsidieth: cat /proc/cpuinfo | head shows what? |
| 01:53.19 | obsidieth | well its scaled to 187Mhz now |
| 01:53.25 | obsidieth | with powernowd stopped it shows: |
| 01:53.35 | obsidieth | model name : Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.50GHz |
| 01:53.36 | obsidieth | stepping : 7 |
| 01:53.36 | obsidieth | cpu MHz : 1500.000 |
| 01:53.49 | obsidieth | this model of laptop never had a 1.5GHz processor. and i dont see cpu options in the bios. |
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| 01:56.35 | handheldcar | can anyone think of a xdm shutdown dialog like this http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Shutdown_computer_with_dialog maybe a sudo shutdown? |
| 01:58.40 | obsidieth | im going to have another look in the bios i guess:p sec |
| 01:58.49 | heroxbd | will linux xxxxxx nofb, disable i915 loading? |
| 01:58.56 | dongs | mobile celeron? isnt that like p4 socket trash |
| 01:59.02 | dongs | 5+ years old garbage |
| 01:59.07 | blast_hardcheese | handheldcar: totally, exact same setup |
| 01:59.10 | obsidieth | it is very old |
| 01:59.12 | obsidieth | 20gb drive. |
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| 01:59.26 | blast_hardcheese | there are tutorials for buttons and windows and stuff in xdm, xmessage is probably the way to go |
| 01:59.34 | obsidieth | but i have no money to replace it. |
| 01:59.49 | dongs | but you've got money to get retarded vhosts? |
| 01:59.50 | dongs | ok. |
| 02:00.05 | obsidieth | this doenst cost me anything. |
| 02:00.37 | handheldcar | ok blast_hardcheese I guess I need to look more into it. the gdmflexiserver was throwing me off |
| 02:01.04 | obsidieth | hmm. maybe cpu support isnt included in this version of the bios. |
| 02:01.08 | blast_hardcheese | handheldcar: Just look at the script at the bottom, replace the "yes" stuff with whatever you want to do |
| 02:01.12 | obsidieth | "acpi bios version 1.30" sounds rather old. |
| 02:02.03 | blast_hardcheese | "cpu support"? |
| 02:02.23 | obsidieth | well, to alter how its scaling or how its clocked |
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| 02:02.37 | obsidieth | i cant see anyhting in debian telling it to stop at 1.5, nor a place to tweak it in the bios |
| 02:02.47 | blast_hardcheese | :\ |
| 02:03.14 | dongs | i dont think its gonna matter much when p4 celeron is running at 1.5 or 2.4 |
| 02:03.16 | obsidieth | but what brings me here, is i am almost positive it ran at 2.4 in windows. |
| 02:03.25 | obsidieth | of course it is. |
| 02:03.33 | dongs | whats the model of the shit youre talking about |
| 02:03.40 | obsidieth | satellite a30. |
| 02:03.51 | Zaidwi | hello |
| 02:03.53 | dongs | thats not even nearly enough information |
| 02:04.04 | obsidieth | what would you like to know. |
| 02:04.20 | Zaidwi | is there a command to make all newly created files in adir inherits dir's group permissions? |
| 02:04.45 | dongs | toshiba part number off the back of it? |
| 02:06.07 | obsidieth | there is no product number that i can see. |
| 02:06.44 | dongs | should be something like PSA-bla bla |
| 02:06.58 | obsidieth | unless it requires removing the battery, im not sure. |
| 02:07.04 | dongs | PSA30-lolwat |
| 02:07.16 | dongs | its on teh fucking label on the bottom. |
| 02:07.29 | obsidieth | ther eis not a label. |
| 02:07.35 | dongs | nice stolen property. |
| 02:08.04 | obsidieth | thats plausible, got it from ebay. |
| 02:10.01 | obsidieth | but, what information are you hoping to obtain from the part number. |
| 02:10.38 | dongs | duno. because they're generally customizable but looks like m,ost A30 came with some > 2ghz celeron. |
| 02:10.59 | obsidieth | it was definitely a 2.4 under windows. |
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| 02:11.13 | obsidieth | i really suspected something clocking it down in the bios, but theres not even a section. |
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| 02:17.10 | simonrvn | chmod +x file.sh; ./file.sh |
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| 02:25.01 | blast_hardcheese | obsidieth: It could be that there was a special driver in Windows that enabled some kind of proto-HT or something |
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| 02:46.16 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 02:46.16 | dpkg | <nvz> especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly |
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| 02:48.51 | Pedro420 | Is there something I can use with rhythmbox to do volume normalization? perhaps something that watches the output and just adjusts the mixer? |
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| 02:53.07 | Pedro420 | wow don't everyone talk at once I only have a 17" screen |
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| 02:56.48 | zcat[1] | Pedro420: Enable the ReplayGain plugin? |
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| 03:17.25 | Pedro420 | zcat[1]: dont have it |
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| 03:19.20 | obsidieth | blast_hardcheese. i had not consdiered that |
| 03:19.37 | obsidieth | i think ive found a cheap box to replace it with anyways. |
| 03:19.45 | obsidieth | dualcore amd will be quite a step up |
| 03:21.44 | zcat[1] | !info rhythmbox-plugins |
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| 03:22.23 | dpkg | rhythmbox-plugins: (plugins for rhythmbox music player), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.12.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 623 kB, Installed size: 1900 kB |
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| 03:23.09 | Pedro420 | I guess I'd have to backport that for lenny |
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| 03:25.31 | courpse | :/ |
| 03:25.46 | courpse | Having a heck of a problem trying to force monitor to use 1680x1024 resolution. |
| 03:25.53 | courpse | Can anyone point me to a good how-to? |
| 03:26.10 | courpse | (Its so simple... i dont understand why it wont take to it.) |
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| 03:40.40 | ilumi | hey guys, if the girl you loved liked to get naked and play at front of other guys, would this make you jealous? yes or no? |
| 03:42.20 | jordanm | !ot |
| 03:42.20 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:43.34 | poutine | imagine if jordanm's first line was unnecessary if he ran his own script or paraphased that himself, and if that explanation line was done in private message! |
| 03:45.05 | ilumi | om me if you have an answer |
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| 03:51.23 | ccd | Is there a general solution to managing many ssh tunnels? I have a group of webservers that only allow 80 and 22... but I often need to "ssh -L" to some other port to manage the server... and doing this manually every time (or wrapping it in a simple script even) seems like a sub optimal solution... is there some agent that can take care of this (tracking the mappings) for me? |
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| 03:52.52 | fluffymuffins | banshee does not seem to be working... Banshee:13493): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_structure_empty_new: assertion `gst_structure_validate_name (name)' failed |
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| 04:06.50 | bikcmp | Where would syslog put logs? |
| 04:07.16 | jmarsden | bikcmp: Where you tell it do with its config file, often under /var/log/ |
| 04:08.28 | bikcmp | jmarsden: Well, this is what I'm trying to do |
| 04:08.48 | bikcmp | I'm trying to find out why mysql isn't starting. |
| 04:08.55 | bikcmp | /var/log/mysql is empty |
| 04:09.22 | simonrvn | /var/log/syslog... |
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| 04:43.56 | Rorosha | so I installed Lenny... but the vertical sync is out of range for my video card. How do I edit xorg.conf to change the vsync? |
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| 04:46.59 | Rorosha | Section "Monitor" reads Identifier "Configured Monitor" |
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| 04:47.40 | Voldenet | man xorg |
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| 04:53.11 | Rorosha | I'm just not seeing it |
| 04:56.19 | elexeer | man man |
| 04:56.31 | Rorosha | heh |
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| 04:56.42 | Rorosha | I mean, not seeing how to fix my issue |
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| 04:57.11 | Rorosha | never seen a xorg.conf that's this sparse... |
| 04:57.34 | liable | man xorg.conf |
| 04:57.50 | liable | x doesnt need one unless you need to tweak it (these days) |
| 05:05.19 | Rorosha | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't setup monitors anymore? |
| 05:05.41 | vot | x -configure |
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| 05:05.48 | vot | should give you a default config |
| 05:06.19 | Rorosha | just 'x'? not Xorg? |
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| 05:08.09 | craigevil | !xorg config lenny |
| 05:08.09 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
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| 05:08.48 | vot | eh sorry im back |
| 05:08.54 | chovy | which pkg do i need just to get gtk libs installed ? |
| 05:09.37 | vot | and yes its caps for x but i thought that was obvious\ |
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| 05:10.16 | Rorosha | not sure, I have a Radeon 9600 |
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| 05:14.29 | craigevil | Rorosha: take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 05:14.42 | Rorosha | craigevil: reading it now |
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| 05:21.20 | zebradog | anyone heard of alertpay? is it better than paypal? ( i know this is offtopic, am just wondering if anyone heard of it) |
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| 06:00.35 | kernelshield | are available for anybody out there? I need help. |
| 06:01.27 | kernelshield | I want to modify XMMS logo. How do I change the logo on the panel? |
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| 06:01.49 | kernelshield | It looks ugly, I'm talking about the square logo |
| 06:02.28 | kernelshield | helppp! |
| 06:02.30 | kernelshield | :( |
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| 06:03.08 | lost_soul | not sure I know what you mean, you want to change the icon? |
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| 06:04.18 | lost_soul | should be able to do so in the menu editor, that icon would be used also on your panel. Unless I'm completely missing what your wanting to do |
| 06:05.34 | kernelshield | minimize icon |
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| 06:06.07 | lost_soul | ah, maybe in the preferences? |
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| 06:07.43 | kernelshield | I minimize the program when my bottom panel got a little icon. I want to change it. |
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| 06:09.53 | lost_soul | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=626858 |
| 06:10.04 | lost_soul | is what I was referring to, I would try that |
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| 06:10.47 | lost_soul | anyways, I'm out.. good luck with it |
| 06:10.56 | kernelshield | lost_soul |
| 06:10.58 | kernelshield | http://i45.tinypic.com/10mszdy.png |
| 06:11.00 | kernelshield | :) |
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| 06:11.47 | lost_soul | yea, same icon they didn't like on that ubuntu thread :) |
| 06:11.54 | zebradog | kernelshield, you did change it, you have placed nice black blotches |
| 06:11.55 | lost_soul | as I said, should prolly read it |
| 06:12.09 | lost_soul | lol |
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| 06:13.42 | kernelshield | I've tried it does not work: ( |
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| 06:39.55 | swathanthran | is initramfs-tools equivalent to mkinitcpio of arch?(http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/any/mkinitcpio/) |
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| 06:41.43 | zebradog | swathanthran, i never heard of mkinicpio and btw that site is not DEBIAN |
| 06:41.48 | zebradog | swathanthran, SHAME ON YOU |
| 06:41.58 | swathanthran | well am just learning things. |
| 06:43.00 | zebradog | swathanthran, you can try using a non-linux generic site for packages that would make more sense.. i bet you're not even using debian |
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| 06:44.54 | swathanthran | i am using debian for several years now. sorry if it was that offtopic here, i just wanted to learn about two free software packages. |
| 06:47.06 | zebradog | swathanthran, obviously you say so. you probably click a few buttons, it doesn't mean you understand any underlying core of it |
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| 06:51.54 | swathanthran | zebradog: well, i wanted to learn about a debian package called initramfs-tools, sorry that i didn't ask the way i should have asked it. |
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| 07:03.19 | Jumpie | hola |
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| 07:22.00 | zebradog | Jumpie, hi |
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| 07:28.17 | agike | Hi, GRUB2 recognizes only one drive of a dual-boot system. Is there a 'dpkg-reconfigure' command to fix this ? |
| 07:28.26 | lxsameer | hi , i read a couple of document about it but still cant fix it (debian), here is the kig |
| 07:28.31 | lxsameer | smtpd[4715]: warning: SASL: Connect to smtpd failed: No such file or directory |
| 07:28.55 | lxsameer | agike: update-grub |
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| 07:30.17 | agike | LXSAMEER: I've already tried that a number of times .. |
| 07:30.34 | craigevil | agike: make sure you have os-prober installed then run update-grub again |
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| 07:30.58 | lxsameer | agike: i think it is update-grub2 |
| 07:31.07 | agike | Ah .. |
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| 07:31.34 | agike | still the same |
| 07:32.03 | cahoot | you mean after installing os-prober or what? |
| 07:32.33 | agike | before .. [Configuration file `/etc/grub.d/00_header' |
| 07:32.34 | agike | ] |
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| 07:34.13 | agike | Yo ! That fixed it. Gracias, Debianistas ! |
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| 07:34.43 | lxsameer | is here any one the use postfix+sasl nad dovecot on a debian box ? |
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| 07:36.03 | cast | you? |
| 07:36.33 | zebradog | cast, direct your questions to somebody, you q-bot |
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| 07:36.52 | cahoot | trolling in two channels - cool |
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| 07:38.00 | dutchfish | to my knowledge grub2 is installed by default to the first found drive, unless you have lvm for your /boot, in that case you can use multiple disk for grub2 to boot from. |
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| 07:38.32 | se7en | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.37 | dutchfish | you can then grub-install to the other drive |
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| 07:39.24 | cast | se7en: could copy the downloaded packages cache from one computer to the other 2 |
| 07:39.24 | se7en | dutchfish: how? |
| 07:39.42 | craigevil | !debian clone |
| 07:39.43 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
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| 07:40.10 | se7en | cast /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb right. |
| 07:40.19 | dutchfish | se7en, you can intsall like grub-install /dev/sd[x] --no-floppy (where x is your drive) |
| 07:40.25 | craigevil | also copy the .deb file from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:40.34 | milligan_ | I have a disk (or a raid controller) that looks like it might be coming to an end. This is a live mailserver. Would dd'ing the disk to a new one be crazyness, or would it be a pretty decent copy that should work ? |
| 07:41.23 | cast | milligan_: don't dd live file systems |
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| 07:41.43 | craigevil | se7en: follow the debian clone from dpkg, and copy the .deb files to the other machines, that way you wont have to download the files again |
| 07:42.33 | se7en | ok and the installer has the option to download the packages later? craigevil because I did not see that option |
| 07:42.38 | cast | milligan_: i'd take a snapshot |
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| 07:43.35 | craigevil | se7en: no you are going to copy them from the one pc to the others, and do what dpkg said about "debian clone" |
| 07:45.00 | cast | !aptitude clone |
| 07:45.01 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
| 07:45.05 | cast | :) |
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| 07:45.23 | craigevil | wow just had the weirdest changelog doing dist-upgrade nothing even the description was garbled, hope that doesn't mean one of the packages is messed up |
| 07:46.04 | craigevil | crap anyone running sid with grub2, and have the latest version |
| 07:46.06 | cast | packages have message digests, they do not validate if it's corrupt |
| 07:46.20 | dutchfish | craigevil, what version of aptitude (latest in squeeze has been changed alot) |
| 07:47.01 | craigevil | this is the first time ive seen a grub2 configure screen, asking about the config file, keep the current or install the maintainers version |
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| 07:48.29 | dutchfish | craigevil, lets hope it doesnt fart on changed partition UUID naming conventions ;) |
| 07:48.32 | craigevil | http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9065/201007030347411280x1024.png on my packages keeping the current config is safe, ah screw it if it messes up its easy enough to fix |
| 07:48.48 | craigevil | dutchfish: oh had that when 2.6.32-5 installed i was already using UUIDs |
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| 07:49.13 | dutchfish | craigevil, yes, i havent found even 1 glitch so far, but i didnt test it to the bone yet |
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| 07:49.44 | craigevil | it wants to change /etc/default/grub that shouldnt mess anything up the only change ive made is adding the ipv6 line |
| 07:50.04 | dutchfish | craigevil, even that worked for me |
| 07:50.14 | chomwitt | in squeeze in kde 4.4.4 i cant configure kdm from system-settings dialogs! all option are grey! |
| 07:50.21 | craigevil | just measn i have to add it again, no biggie |
| 07:50.33 | dutchfish | ah ok |
| 07:51.41 | craigevil | oh cool it kept my settings there is a new section about bad ram |
| 07:51.52 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 07:51.53 | craigevil | # Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs |
| 07:52.53 | craigevil | grub2 upgrading is always a bit scary , never know when it is going to just kill itself |
| 07:52.54 | dutchfish | craigevil, once you have it a bit figured out you will like grub2, at least i do, kudos to the devs |
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| 07:54.03 | dutchfish | most of the anoying bugs wher ironed out by th elast updates |
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| 07:54.44 | Jumpie | debian partioner is a PITA |
| 07:55.12 | dutchfish | Jumpie, no, its one of the best i have seen |
| 07:56.33 | Bushmills | seems that one size doesn't fit all |
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| 07:56.50 | cahoot | hence partitioning |
| 07:56.56 | dutchfish | Jumpie, but you need to rtfm a bit before you start |
| 07:57.55 | cahoot | or at least read the on-screen options |
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| 07:59.00 | Jumpie | yea..i mean |
| 07:59.16 | Jumpie | its just seems to be more drawn out |
| 07:59.19 | Jumpie | i have no problem with it |
| 07:59.22 | Jumpie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.28 | dutchfish | Jumpie, you can even preseed it if you more like into planning ahead and want options to the max ;) |
| 08:04.10 | dutchfish | Jumpie, but for an avarage install the interface does do fine |
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| 08:10.18 | dominet | can you tell me if it's possible to constantly log everything happening in screen session? |
| 08:10.28 | dominet | not sure if ctrl-a H is what i want |
| 08:11.36 | dominet | hm it definetly isn't... hardcopy.0 just got a snapshot and not live data from the session... |
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| 08:13.21 | Jumpie | dutchfish yea i guess after all doing a manual paritioning layout, i do like it |
| 08:13.22 | Jumpie | just..diff |
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| 08:26.48 | PopUp | hrmpf |
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| 08:31.20 | PopUp | libgcc1 wont install : FATAL: kernel too old /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgcc1.postinst: line 15: 24474 Segmentation fault ldconfig |
| 08:31.26 | lost_soul | lovely, the kiddies are out to play |
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| 08:32.32 | PopUp | my kernel version is Linux version 2.6.9-023stab051.12-smp (root@rhel4-64) (gcc version 3.4.5 20051201 (Red Hat 3.4.5-2)) #1 SMP Fri Feb 26 15:22:25 MSK 2010 |
| 08:32.46 | Jumpie | is there a manual way to force 100/full in debian, without using ethtool? |
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| 08:34.46 | skrewla | check your NIC drivers docs, should tell you what args you can set |
| 08:35.42 | skrewla | ... dmesg | grep eth0 google the module that shows up |
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| 08:39.30 | PopUp | ok where can i get a newer kernel? Compiling is out of question (if gcc is not available?) |
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| 08:40.30 | skrewla | apt-get install kernel |
| 08:40.44 | skrewla | googling is quicker than asking in here |
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| 08:40.51 | Jumpie | yeah |
| 08:40.58 | Jumpie | i'm kinda annoyed standard install didn't include ssh |
| 08:41.01 | PopUp | skrewla : E: Couldn't find package kernel |
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| 08:41.22 | PopUp | :P |
| 08:41.47 | cast | Jumpie: client or server? |
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| 08:42.35 | skrewla | mmm apt-get updgrade instead |
| 08:43.07 | PopUp | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc-bin: Breaks: libc6 (< 2.10) but 2.7-18lenny4 is installed |
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| 08:44.55 | PopUp | skrewla : i googled and it isnt that easy :/ |
| 08:45.14 | skrewla | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:45.21 | skrewla | uname -a |
| 08:45.25 | skrewla | apt-get update |
| 08:45.42 | PopUp | 5.05 |
| 08:45.55 | fxiny | PopUp: apt-cache search for linux-image |
| 08:46.14 | Jumpie | cast well, i had set it up for web/mail/dns server |
| 08:46.16 | fxiny | PopUp: kernel is generic |
| 08:46.20 | Jumpie | maybe i shoulda checked additional otipons |
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| 08:46.34 | Jumpie | i got it fixed no biggie, i just thought it'd be standard |
| 08:47.11 | PopUp | http://pastebin.com/UhUDx055 @ fxiny |
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| 08:49.16 | fxiny | PopUp: which debian flavor ? lennu squeeze sid ? hope you are not talking ubu |
| 08:49.50 | PopUp | no i'm talking about debian ^^, it was etch but i updated to lenny |
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| 08:50.27 | fxiny | PopUp: so use aptitude |
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| 08:50.37 | cast | Jumpie: ..ssh client or server |
| 08:50.39 | PopUp | aptitude returns the same error |
| 08:50.44 | fxiny | there was a factoid , trying to remember |
| 08:51.17 | fxiny | PopUp: no way . aptitude upgraded my box from etch to lenny ok |
| 08:51.21 | PopUp | libgcc1 is, somehow, broken because my kernel seems to be too old for it |
| 08:51.25 | PopUp | hrmpf |
| 08:51.44 | PopUp | fortunately its just a testserver :) |
| 08:52.03 | fxiny | !etch2lenny |
| 08:52.08 | fxiny | no . can't remember |
| 08:52.28 | nevyn | glares at compile GO FASTER. |
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| 08:56.12 | fxiny | PopUp: aptitude update ; aptitude install aptitude ; aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 08:56.49 | fxiny | PopUp: seen ? the new/lenny aptitude is what you want |
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| 08:58.14 | craigevil | !etch sources.list |
| 08:58.14 | dpkg | i heard etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free" |
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| 09:18.33 | althaser | how can I set my default sound card ?? |
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| 09:22.19 | fxiny | althaser: asoundconf ? |
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| 09:23.50 | Fawkes | Anyone know why samba4 depends upon python-samba on Unstable? |
| 09:24.35 | Fawkes | I ask because I've got python 2.6.5, but python-samba requires < 2.6 - making the installation seem somewhat impossible. |
| 09:24.49 | cast | good ol unstable |
| 09:25.28 | Fawkes | How much of a bad idea would it be to download python-samba and forcibly install it with dpkg? |
| 09:25.52 | althaser | fxiny I haven't asoundconf in sid |
| 09:29.23 | fxiny | althaser: i'm on lenny . try the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
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| 09:31.22 | althaser | mm ok thanks fxiny |
| 09:31.30 | craigevil | Fawkes: you might try adding testing to your sources.list and see if python-samba: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.5-5 is to be installed |
| 09:31.33 | craigevil | E: Broken packages |
| 09:31.51 | craigevil | crap add testing to your sources.list then try to install python-sambe |
| 09:32.06 | Fawkes | I'll give it a go |
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| 09:32.43 | fxiny | althaser: np , is the wiki update ? |
| 09:33.17 | craigevil | Fawkes: nope doesnt work just tried still gives the same error message |
| 09:33.32 | Fawkes | Yeah - just discovered same. |
| 09:33.45 | boodie | Hi; has anyone experienced problems in watching BBC videos / clips streamed with the latest flash player (I have lenny 64 bit)? |
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| 09:34.12 | Fawkes | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.11 | Fawkes | Given that I don't intend to use SWAT, it may be safe enough to install it anyway. |
| 09:35.45 | craigevil | boodie: works ok here, but im on 32bit sid |
| 09:36.18 | Jumpie | ffs i need to crack a word 2k7 passworded doc |
| 09:36.21 | Jumpie | lol i cant rmember pass i set |
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| 09:36.35 | cast | why were you using a .doc |
| 09:36.47 | cast | from office 2k7 no less |
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| 09:37.19 | pozic | When running partimage, I get: /dev/dm-0 inode doesn't exists. |
| 09:37.29 | amee2k | i understand that skype isn't supported here, dpkg lists <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> as alternatives. but can any of these make calls to regular skype clients too? |
| 09:37.35 | nevyn | hrm make-kpkg fails when run in a git repository. |
| 09:37.42 | pozic | What can cause that and why is it even possible for that state to even occur? |
| 09:38.04 | Bushmills | Jumpie: do you also have a Debian-related question? |
| 09:38.11 | nevyn | pozic: wierdness with devicemapper... |
| 09:38.26 | amee2k | yeah, does that device node actually exist? |
| 09:38.26 | cast | pozic: i'm going to take a stab in the dark and say it can't find /'s inode |
| 09:38.27 | nevyn | pozic: what are you attempting to run partimage against? |
| 09:38.55 | pozic | nevyn: does it matter in which directory you start the program? |
| 09:39.04 | amee2k | pozic: maybe it is advertised in /sys or /proc as existing, but doesn't exist in the file system |
| 09:39.11 | pozic | nevyn: I only started it, I didn't actually do anything yet. |
| 09:39.13 | craigevil | amee2k: nope only skype can call skype, skype works ok |
| 09:39.17 | fxiny | pozic: no . it doesn't matter |
| 09:39.46 | pozic | cast: cd /;ls works fine |
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| 09:40.19 | Jumpie | Bushmills wrong channel |
| 09:40.20 | Jumpie | haha |
| 09:40.20 | pozic | amee2k: both of those exist. |
| 09:40.20 | amee2k | pozic: check if that device node actually exists. if it doesn't but you're sure it should, create it and try again |
| 09:40.32 | i4 | Failed to fetch http://debian.thaios.net/debian/pool/main/k/kiosktool/kiosktool_1.0-3_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
| 09:40.35 | Jumpie | my bad |
| 09:40.46 | amee2k | pozic: both of what? i thought it was only one device node in question |
| 09:40.47 | Fawkes | i4: have you done an apt-get update recently? |
| 09:40.49 | pozic | amee2k: the device doesn't exist. |
| 09:40.49 | i4 | how do i install kiosktool> |
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| 09:41.11 | pozic | amee2k: ok, I misread your response. |
| 09:41.23 | amee2k | craigevil: thats nasty... i has really hoping for a free solution to call skype clients, like pidgin works for most proprietary IM crap too |
| 09:41.24 | nevyn | i4: update? |
| 09:41.34 | nevyn | amee2k: no such luck. |
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| 09:41.53 | i4 | nevyn: apt-get update ... i have done that |
| 09:42.28 | craigevil | ,versions kiosktool |
| 09:42.30 | judd | kiosktool -- etch: 1.0-2~etch+1; lenny: 1.0-3 |
| 09:42.35 | pozic | amee2k: cat /proc/devices | grep dm => empty result |
| 09:43.03 | pozic | amee2k: I don't think it is anywhere, so the program is correct in saying it is not there. What is not correct is that it is even possible for this situation to occur. |
| 09:43.23 | amee2k | thats not the device *node* |
| 09:43.25 | nevyn | pozic: ls -l /dev/mapper |
| 09:43.27 | Fawkes | i4: Is that an official debian repository? You may wish to contact the repository owner about the missing file. |
| 09:43.41 | pozic | amee2k: the node is in /dev/dm<>, right? It is not there. |
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| 09:44.12 | amee2k | nevyn: yeah. every time sh** like that happens it makes me wanna build my own service around open protocols. but i don't have the coding skills or money or time to make a project like that. at a scale where it actually could take off |
| 09:44.26 | amee2k | pozic: well, create it ;) |
| 09:44.30 | amee2k | then try again |
| 09:44.38 | fxiny | pozic: what are you trying to do with partimage ? is the fs supported ? |
| 09:44.47 | amee2k | or find out why its not there. it should pop up automatically |
| 09:44.47 | craigevil | amee2k: skype opened their sdk |
| 09:44.55 | i4 | so changing the mirrow should workfaw |
| 09:44.57 | fxiny | i'm using partimage since ages |
| 09:45.06 | Fawkes | i4: It might do, yeah |
| 09:45.11 | Fawkes | Could be that the mirror is out of date |
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| 09:45.25 | amee2k | craigevil: not that i've looked far, but i didn't see any third party clients popping up yet |
| 09:45.33 | amee2k | at least none in the repo |
| 09:45.34 | fxiny | but i do my dd or dump on unsopported fs |
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| 09:46.15 | pozic | fxiny: I have image files sized 2GB on an NTFS file system and I want to write it to a newly created EXT3 FS. The image files were originally from an EXT3 partition. |
| 09:46.32 | craigevil | pozic: try modprobe dm-mod then try partimage again |
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| 09:47.05 | fxiny | pozic: it should ignore the destinations ext3fs |
| 09:47.21 | pozic | craigevil: that doesn't create the device nodes. |
| 09:47.44 | fxiny | pozic: but , there could be some incompatibility between partimage versions |
| 09:48.03 | fxiny | pozic: you shold use the same partimage version as the original |
| 09:48.10 | pozic | fxiny: you have got to be kidding me. |
| 09:48.27 | pozic | fxiny: are you saying that they do not support older image files? |
| 09:48.27 | amee2k | !skype |
| 09:48.28 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 09:48.32 | fxiny | pozic: kidding what ? you are dumping on a partition not on a fs |
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| 09:48.50 | pozic | fxiny: yes, I know what I am doing. |
| 09:49.03 | amee2k | ^^ that repository in that line doesn't seem to exist (Err http://download.skype.com stable/non-free Packages 404 Not Found) i'm on deb stable. what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:49.03 | fxiny | pozic: i even have static partimage and old floppy partimage |
| 09:49.23 | pozic | fxiny: I am saying that partimage version 1.8 should do the same thing functionally as 1.9 or 2, or whatever the latest version is. |
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| 09:49.41 | amee2k | i added the line to my sources list, and ran aptitude update |
| 09:49.45 | pozic | fxiny: if they stop supporting image files created by other versions they cannot be taken seriously. |
| 09:49.47 | fxiny | pozic: that is not true , check the docs |
| 09:49.56 | fxiny | there are incompatibilities |
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| 09:50.09 | pozic | fxiny: ok, so they are a joke, and probably it will work. |
| 09:50.09 | amee2k | W: Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 09:50.18 | chomwitt | in squeeze , when another user logins with kdm and try to switch to my session (ctrl+alt+Fx) i cant unlock screen.i try the same password i try when i login. |
| 09:50.20 | fxiny | and you might even do a resizize in the end |
| 09:50.23 | pozic | No wonder there are commercial tools. |
| 09:50.35 | fxiny | that's why i sometimes prefere dump |
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| 09:51.07 | pozic | fxiny: dump simply dumps the whole partition disregarding the file system? |
| 09:51.18 | craigevil | amee2k: the skype repo works here |
| 09:51.25 | fxiny | partimage and dump both skipd unallocated space , dd in this respect is dumb |
| 09:51.44 | pozic | fxiny: what is the difference between partimage and dump then? |
| 09:51.54 | pozic | fxiny: the curses interface? |
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| 09:52.01 | craigevil | amee2k: skype Installed: 2.1.0.81-1 Candidate: 2.1.0.81-1 500 http://download.skype.com stable/non-free Packages |
| 09:53.03 | amee2k | craigevil: i'm on vanilla stable on x64, no backports or stuff yet and no other 3rd party repos |
| 09:53.16 | amee2k | what am i missing? |
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| 09:53.32 | fxiny | pozic: dump has some features partimage misses like incremental backups |
| 09:54.27 | craigevil | amee2k: http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 09:54.53 | pozic | fxiny: partimage doesn't even list the target partition. |
| 09:54.58 | fxiny | pozic: and partimage source adn destination must be the same , if destination is larger you gotta resize it after rerplaceing |
| 09:55.07 | amee2k | hmmm could it be that there are no 64 bit packages for skype? i tried opening the url in a browser then remove path components |
| 09:55.25 | pozic | fxiny: I thought the documentation said that it has to be at least as large. |
| 09:55.31 | pozic | fxiny: so, not exactly equal. |
| 09:55.43 | amee2k | http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/ << from this point on and shorter i get the message "this page is off limits" which i take is a listing denied |
| 09:55.46 | craigevil | amee2k: correct you have to install the 32bit version and the 32bit libs, probably have to download skype |
| 09:55.50 | amee2k | any longer and i get a 404 |
| 09:55.50 | pozic | fxiny: so, it lists all the partitions except the one that matters. |
| 09:56.03 | fxiny | pozic: if is larger you are loosing space |
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| 09:56.20 | fxiny | pozic: and you have to resize |
| 09:56.41 | pozic | fxiny: but you can use it anyway, right? |
| 09:56.59 | fxiny | pozic: partimage is a handy tools for fast and efficient backups , i replace my sistem in 3 minutes no more |
| 09:57.01 | amee2k | thats nasty |
| 09:57.03 | pozic | fxiny: It is only a temporary file system. |
| 09:57.19 | pozic | fxiny: it is the first time for me and making the image files was quite easy. |
| 09:57.26 | pozic | fxiny: but restoring seems not to work. |
| 09:57.30 | amee2k | 32 bit is so last century |
| 09:57.32 | fxiny | pozic: but i cannot use partimage say for my crypto system , i use dump for that |
| 09:57.51 | fxiny | because dump is faster then dd and more efficient |
| 09:58.00 | pozic | fxiny: fdisk -l lists /dev/sdb2, but partimage does not. |
| 09:58.42 | craigevil | amee2k: not everyone can afford a shint new pc that supports 64bit, even firefox and thunderbird only come in 32bit although Firefox 4 will have 64bit |
| 09:59.07 | fxiny | pozic: restotring with partimage means restoring the whole partition , dump can restore a single file |
| 09:59.27 | pozic | fxiny: /dev/sdb2 81013 121601 326031142+ 83 Linux |
| 09:59.29 | amee2k | craigevil: firefox is written in javascript so there is even less excuse for them not to go 64 |
| 09:59.34 | pozic | fxiny: this is fdisk -l output. |
| 09:59.40 | craigevil | s/shint/shiny |
| 09:59.45 | Fawkes | amee2k: And the javascript engine itself? |
| 09:59.50 | pozic | fxiny: how can partimage possibly have a different view of the world? |
| 10:00.34 | amee2k | Fawkes: they keep bragging about how slim that is, so getting it to compile on 64 shouldn't be difficult. but then, their code probably is a mess from how the software runs |
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| 10:00.44 | lindi- | craigevil: but firefox is not in debian, iceweasel is and has 64-bit binaries |
| 10:00.45 | fxiny | pozic: a 3G source partion restored in a 4G destination partition you get 1G back only if you resize |
| 10:01.04 | amee2k | on second thought, the 32 bit is probably a feature there... it prevents it from consuming more than 4GB of memory :P |
| 10:01.21 | pozic | fxiny: I understand, but it is not what I care about right now. |
| 10:01.37 | pozic | fxiny: I just want partimage to list the same things as fdisk -l |
| 10:01.42 | fxiny | pozic: so try using the same partimage version as the original |
| 10:01.43 | amee2k | and i've been running 64 since 2004 or so. since then, cheap 64 bit enabled cpus have been popping up like mushrooms |
| 10:01.49 | pozic | fxiny: or I would like to know where the difference comes from. |
| 10:01.52 | Fawkes | amee2k: Congratulations? |
| 10:02.00 | pozic | fxiny: that should be irrelevant. |
| 10:02.06 | amee2k | ... |
| 10:02.10 | pozic | fxiny: it is the latest version I have here. |
| 10:02.25 | pozic | fxiny: for just displaying _partitions_ that should not matter, don't you agree? |
| 10:02.37 | craigevil | amee2k: my crapy dell is 6yrs old and supports 64bit but why bother when the max ram is 2gb |
| 10:02.41 | pozic | fxiny: it is not even doing anything with the image files yet. |
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| 10:03.03 | lindi- | craigevil: you get larger registers :) |
| 10:03.12 | amee2k | this is my second desktop since then. it only has 2GB too and i only got it because the old board died |
| 10:03.16 | fxiny | pozic: could be the original file corrupted ? |
| 10:03.20 | Fawkes | lindi-: And larger executables :) |
| 10:03.25 | pozic | fxiny: which original file? |
| 10:03.37 | fxiny | the image you are trying to read |
| 10:03.46 | pozic | fxiny: I am not trying to read any image file. |
| 10:03.57 | amee2k | the only systems here that aren't 64 bit is my laptop and my retro gaming machine. both are P3 1000s |
| 10:04.01 | pozic | fxiny: also, why don't the image files have Reed-Solomon codes to protect them? |
| 10:04.11 | pozic | fxiny: it seems crazy not to do that. |
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| 10:04.36 | lindi- | Fawkes: that too |
| 10:04.48 | fxiny | partimage is a handy nice little quick tool |
| 10:04.48 | lindi- | Fawkes: or do you? |
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| 10:04.56 | lindi- | Fawkes: instruction encoding is variable lenth anyway |
| 10:04.58 | pozic | fxiny: you are not helping. |
| 10:05.23 | Fawkes | lindi-: Pointers, I imagne, are larger. |
| 10:05.41 | fxiny | pozic: i'm trying to tell you that partimage is not what you are expecting is |
| 10:05.47 | pozic | fxiny: I don't care how "little" tools are. Tools have to work. Partimage does not. |
| 10:06.05 | pozic | fxiny: I expect that you can use it to backup and restore a partition. |
| 10:06.15 | fxiny | pozic: whey are you using partimage instead of dd or dump or tar ? |
| 10:06.30 | pozic | fxiny: tar has never _ever_ worked for me. |
| 10:06.49 | pozic | fxiny: it always quits somewhere in the middle with encoding issues. |
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| 10:07.11 | pozic | fxiny: I have used dump in the past, but it seemed that partimage was well-supported. |
| 10:07.18 | pozic | fxiny: I used one of those live-cds. |
| 10:07.45 | pozic | fxiny: but it seems to me that the Debian version at least is complete crap. |
| 10:07.49 | fxiny | pozic: ever used partimage(d) server ? |
| 10:07.55 | pozic | fxiny: no. |
| 10:07.58 | fxiny | seen ? |
| 10:08.03 | pozic | fxiny: I heard of it. |
| 10:08.10 | fxiny | the version issue is even worse |
| 10:08.12 | pozic | fxiny: I am not a professional system administration. |
| 10:08.19 | pozic | administrator* |
| 10:08.26 | fxiny | nor i am . i am a debian user |
| 10:08.47 | nevyn | likes tar |
| 10:08.53 | fxiny | tar++ |
| 10:08.54 | pozic | I am one of those people which believe that as long as computers need administrators other than for adding users possibly, they are broken computers. |
| 10:09.14 | nevyn | wonders what pozic does... |
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| 10:09.20 | pozic | It is the same with replacing hardware. As long as that is required we are still in the stone age of computing. |
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| 10:09.35 | Fawkes | pozic: So.. hardware should never be replaced? |
| 10:09.37 | pozic | You should be able to turn on a machine and leave it running for 100s of years. |
| 10:09.44 | nevyn | do you feel the same about lightbulbs in your house? |
| 10:09.50 | Fawkes | Ah. Hardware should never fail. |
| 10:09.51 | pozic | nevyn: yes |
| 10:09.54 | w3stdream | hi |
| 10:10.04 | pozic | nevyn: and in fact technology has produces such lightbulbs. |
| 10:10.13 | pozic | nevyn: in 1910, or something like that. |
| 10:10.32 | pozic | nevyn: it is commercially more viable to let consumers replace broken products every X years. |
| 10:10.38 | nevyn | pozic: good luck with that. while advances have been made.. we're still not at a point where we have material science were things can be built requiring no maintainence |
| 10:10.43 | nevyn | pozic: absolutly |
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| 10:10.56 | w3stdream | like buying shoes for women :P |
| 10:10.58 | Fawkes | Even if you were able to run a computer for a 100 years - would you actually want to? |
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| 10:11.16 | Fawkes | It would be ridiculously out of date, and easily outperformed by a pocket calculator |
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| 10:11.41 | pozic | Fawkes: I am thinking more of hardware that is actually alive. |
| 10:11.44 | nevyn | Fawkes: worse than that. the cost of running such a machine would exceed it's replacement cost inside 10 years. |
| 10:11.55 | pozic | Fawkes: that could upgrade the hardware while it processes information. |
| 10:11.58 | Fawkes | neilk: true |
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| 10:12.03 | lost_soul | Number 5? |
| 10:12.06 | fxiny | hardware are living things : this old pII i'm using is like a pet to me , if it dies i cry |
| 10:12.10 | fxiny | :P |
| 10:12.13 | Fawkes | lost_soul: haha! |
| 10:12.19 | nevyn | pozic: that's what virtualisation really does achieve. |
| 10:12.31 | nevyn | it divorces your hardware upgrade from your software upgrades. |
| 10:12.35 | nevyn | and that's a good thing. |
| 10:12.37 | pozic | nevyn: that is a software abstraction layer. |
| 10:12.44 | nevyn | pozic: yes. |
| 10:12.59 | pozic | nevyn: and indeed it is a practical way to achieve that, but there is still human labour involved in installing new machines. |
| 10:13.14 | Fawkes | pozic: So? |
| 10:13.26 | nevyn | there's human labour involved in changing the oil in your car too. |
| 10:13.33 | Fawkes | We should have AIs ruling our computers! Bring on Skynet! |
| 10:13.36 | w3stdream | say i have a question, myenglish is not so well is there a dutch debian irc # somewhere on freenode >? |
| 10:13.46 | nevyn | !dutch |
| 10:13.47 | dpkg | well, dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian-nl |
| 10:13.54 | pozic | Fawkes: so, IMHO, we as a computer industry are only done with computing when there is no human labour work left, other than by choice. |
| 10:13.54 | w3stdream | lol |
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| 10:13.58 | w3stdream | thnx ! |
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| 10:14.04 | amee2k | what |
| 10:14.08 | nevyn | w3stdream: umm didn't know it'd do that.. :) |
| 10:14.22 | amee2k | i just signed up and homehow i have 9 cents of "skype credit" available |
| 10:14.44 | amee2k | where can i cash that in? |
| 10:14.48 | pozic | Fawkes: in theory building an AI is easy, currently, building an economical one, not so. |
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| 10:15.02 | pozic | Fawkes: if I could live forever, I would start building such a machine today. |
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| 10:15.16 | pozic | Fawkes: the only limitation for me is my life-span. |
| 10:15.20 | Fawkes | pozic: Depends what you want from the AI. |
| 10:15.33 | pozic | Fawkes: I want it to be ultra-intelligent. |
| 10:15.38 | Fawkes | pozic: Have you heard of Kurzweil's singularity theory? |
| 10:15.45 | pozic | Fawkes: of course\ |
| 10:15.45 | nevyn | pozic: what's intelligence? |
| 10:15.49 | amee2k | pozic: you only need to get it functional enough by the time you die to upload your consciousness into the machine. problem solved ;) |
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| 10:15.58 | pozic | nevyn: as defined by e.g. AIXL. |
| 10:16.42 | pozic | nevyn: I would have the time to define a utility function by interacting with this machine. |
| 10:16.42 | Fawkes | amee2k: And then only to die again when the machine fails! |
| 10:17.07 | pozic | nevyn: defining what is useful for the machine is the hardest part. |
| 10:17.22 | pozic | nevyn: but you don't need to program that. |
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| 10:17.32 | amee2k | Fawkes: thats why you make enough money by selling cheap chinese copys of your machine that you can afford a good maintenance crew and backups |
| 10:17.32 | pozic | nevyn: you can let the machine learn that from experience. |
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| 10:18.19 | pozic | amee2k: I am one of those people that doesn't buy the Kurzweil induction argument for replacing cells with electronical cells. |
| 10:18.20 | emj | Hi is there a nouveau kernel module in Debian? |
| 10:18.55 | Fawkes | pozic: Of course, at this point you're moving into the realms of the machine becoming it's own life form. Does it then become unethical to make it work for you? Does it not, then, become your slave? |
| 10:19.19 | pozic | Fawkes: that is only an argument for people that have watched too much Star Trek. |
| 10:19.38 | pozic | Fawkes: you can program the machine such that it gets pleasure from doing stuff which makes you happy. |
| 10:19.56 | Fawkes | is that not the same as providing human slaves with narcotics when they perform for you? |
| 10:20.03 | fxiny | pozic: dump 0uanv -f dump_root.gz -z9 /mnt/point/ ; restore -fr path_file to replace , what's wrong with using dump like this , regardless of fs ? |
| 10:20.25 | fxiny | fast and efficient |
| 10:20.35 | pozic | fxiny: probably nothing, I will save that command. |
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| 10:20.54 | pozic | fxiny: before I execute it I will first determine _exactly_ what it does. |
| 10:20.58 | Fawkes | pozic: Also, you said it would be unnecessary to "program" the machine - it would learn from experience. |
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| 10:21.22 | fxiny | pozic: same for oartimage : just cli no gui needed partimage -z1 -o -d save and so on |
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| 10:21.25 | pozic | Fawkes: if you do the narcotics at birth, then you could say that. |
| 10:21.46 | Fawkes | Is not the machine's creation it's birth? |
| 10:21.55 | pozic | Fawkes: in the end you get that machines are equal to machines. |
| 10:21.59 | pozic | Fawkes: er humans |
| 10:22.09 | pozic | Fawkes: which was your ultimate point. |
| 10:22.15 | Fawkes | Indeed. |
| 10:22.18 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:22.42 | pozic | Fawkes: if you don't provide anything which might them unhappy to begin with, I really don't see the point. |
| 10:23.01 | Fawkes | What if working for you makes them unhappy? |
| 10:23.23 | Fawkes | Like a human, a machine with true intelligence will have it's own ideas of what makes it happy and unhappy. |
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| 10:23.52 | craigevil | To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer |
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| 10:24.01 | Fawkes | Haha |
| 10:24.22 | boodie | hi, how can I load the module for ieee1394? |
| 10:24.48 | liable | it should be loaded for you if you have firewire |
| 10:24.56 | liable | but anyway, modprobe |
| 10:25.30 | pozic | Fawkes: yes, there will be a number which will determine its behaviour. |
| 10:25.59 | Fawkes | A number? Are complex emotions really just ... a single scalar? |
| 10:26.17 | pozic | Fawkes: you can represent a vector with a number. |
| 10:26.25 | pozic | Fawkes: #debian-offtopic |
| 10:26.28 | fxiny | pozic: and you know what the advantage of dd (and partimage) against tar or dump ? damend file stamps . you can get a large tripwire (or alike) report with tar or dump . |
| 10:26.29 | boodie | Well, yes - I have it, I used kino ages ago, now I tried again, it says it needs the 1394 modprobed |
| 10:26.50 | pozic | fxiny: is there any website which explains this? |
| 10:27.02 | pozic | fxiny: I cannot see who is a storage expert and who is a random luser. |
| 10:27.33 | fxiny | pozic: storage expert ? you do not need to be a professional to see things |
| 10:27.38 | fxiny | just try and see |
| 10:28.04 | pozic | fxiny: I don't really have extra test hardware. |
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| 10:28.27 | pozic | fxiny: but maybe I should. |
| 10:28.32 | fxiny | replacing a maybe compromised system using tar or dump is stupid because of time stamps |
| 10:29.00 | pozic | fxiny: what do you mean? |
| 10:29.01 | nevyn | fxiny: HUH? |
| 10:29.15 | pozic | fxiny: you are talking about security stuff, I think, but I am not following the exact logic. |
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| 10:32.01 | fxiny | pozic: dd leaves all file stamps alone , you can check a replace system against your say tripwire or aide db . you just replace your system . if you use tar or dump backups you must run again your baseliner like ftimes which i like so much even if is not debianized |
| 10:32.58 | fxiny | so . speed is not an issue . dd can be dumb and slower but somehow better the something else |
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| 10:33.23 | seniorake | I've got some very curious problem. After some time in service a system refuses to handle TCP packages correctly, even PING commands are being denied then with error ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted - restarting httpd services returns it back to normal |
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| 10:33.32 | fxiny | for a normal user partimage is excellent |
| 10:33.34 | seniorake | so something there is blocking the system, any ideas what that might be? |
| 10:33.45 | w3stdream | no one home in the debian - NL |
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| 10:34.47 | seniorake | that might be some sort of DoS by the way. I was thinking of clients opening many connections to the server, on the TCP-layer, not closing them or something. leading to too many open tcp-ports |
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| 10:35.04 | seniorake | any ideas what this might be all about or what to do against it? |
| 10:35.45 | Fawkes | seniorake: You could confirm your hypothesis with tcpdump. |
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| 10:38.53 | w3stdream | newcomers should read the guidelines :| |
| 10:38.57 | w3stdream | mm homework |
| 10:39.50 | fxiny | pozic: i backup my home with rsync and rdiff-backup , which is better ? it depends . last week i had file corruption because of an old hd and the damned hot summer , so i lost some files because i run rsync in delete mode : it could not read the original corrupted file and it deleted the old-destination-file . rdiff-backup saved my a* |
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| 10:40.52 | jez9999 | Hi all. I have the gnome-sensors applet installed, but when I go into the Sensors tab in preferences, all i see is an 'hddtemp' sensor group, which unsurprisingly gives me my hard drive temp |
| 10:41.10 | Crypticfortune | Ok, confusing routing question. my house has a few interfaces: eth0 (on lan), ppp0 (wan), and tap0 (vpn). how can I / is it possible to set up some iptable mangling mojo to route all traffic from specific lan hosts over tap0, and other lan hosts over ppp0? |
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| 10:41.34 | jez9999 | according to the gnome-sensors widget site, i should be able to get an 'acpi' group which presumably would give me CPU temp, so does anyone know how I can get this to appear? |
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| 10:42.27 | Crypticfortune | jez9999: i think gnome-sensors is probably calling sensors, in which case you should run sensors-detect once as root to set up your sensors. |
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| 10:43.35 | abrotman | jez9999: i realize this might be a silly question, but have you checked any other ACPI application to see if it can get the data ? |
| 10:43.48 | pozic | fxiny: USENET solves that my using PAR2 files, which is technology applied at other levels of the disk hardware, but for backup having even 50% redundancy would help a lot. |
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| 10:44.12 | `Assassin | Why isn't the latest Iceweasel the same version as the latest Firefox? |
| 10:44.46 | pozic | `Assassin: because Iceweasel might need some manual work? |
| 10:44.55 | jez9999 | abrotman: what is an example of another ACPI app? |
| 10:45.00 | jez9999 | that i might have installesd |
| 10:45.10 | pozic | jez9999: cat |
| 10:45.17 | Fawkes | Meow! |
| 10:45.31 | pozic | jez9999: cat /proc/acpi/* IIRC. |
| 10:45.56 | jez9999 | well that gives me output |
| 10:46.11 | pozic | jez9999: I am not surprised that people create garbage applications. |
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| 10:46.40 | jmd | pozic, That's why we have garbage collectors. |
| 10:46.41 | abrotman | jez9999: yacpi is a very simple one .. gdesklets are sometimes used in gnome also |
| 10:47.06 | abrotman | `Assassin: in which version of Debian ? |
| 10:47.19 | jez9999 | well yacpi runs |
| 10:47.24 | `Assassin | Squeeze |
| 10:47.28 | jez9999 | CPU governor: ondemand |
| 10:47.34 | jez9999 | CPU frequency: 1200/1600 MHz |
| 10:47.38 | jez9999 | that's all i get |
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| 10:48.51 | fxiny | pozic: hardware levels ? can be a neverending horror movie : like dumping badblocks from original to destination partition ;) |
| 10:48.56 | boodie | hi : to run kino I am told that I have to have rw permissions on /dev/raw1394 ... how do I grant myself these permissions ? |
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| 10:49.23 | jez9999 | do i need anything in /etc/modules loaded to get ACPI? |
| 10:49.37 | abrotman | `Assassin: for starters, squeeze is slightly delayed .. but they do backport security fixes |
| 10:49.43 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 10:49.45 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
| 10:50.58 | Crypticfortune | boodie: short answer "chmod a+rw /dev/raw1394" long answer: /dev/raw1394 is probably owned by some group (ls -l /dev/raw1394 to check) and adding yourself to that group is probably the more "correct" way to do it |
| 10:51.45 | boodie | Crypticfortune: Indeed. The command gives "crw-rw---- 1 root disk 171, 0 3 lug 12:10 /dev/raw1394" |
| 10:52.00 | pozic | jmd: Debian collects all the garbage? |
| 10:52.15 | pozic | I think there is too much in Debian. |
| 10:52.39 | pozic | Just because something is available doesn't mean it deserves a place in the repos. |
| 10:52.58 | boodie | Crypticfortune: looks like only root ownes /dev/raw1394, am I interpreting right? |
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| 10:54.01 | Fawkes | pozic: So.. just because you don't use it, no-one else should? |
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| 10:55.04 | abrotman | boodie: you should NOT be in the disk group |
| 10:55.13 | Crypticfortune | boodie: no. the group on that dev is "disk" (you can also "stat /dev/raw1394" to check). i guess you can add yourself to the disk group, but that's kind of dangerous. im guessing if you're using kino, there's a camera attached to /dev/raw1394, right? |
| 10:55.40 | abrotman | not kind of dangerous .. extremely dangerous |
| 10:55.45 | boodie | Crypticfortune: yes |
| 10:55.46 | jez9999 | what are the latest Linux image packages for debian? |
| 10:56.15 | abrotman | jez9999: in squeeze, you install the metapackage linux-image-<arch> and it should pull something like linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 10:56.37 | jez9999 | can i safely uninstall the ones older than the current image? |
| 10:56.56 | Crypticfortune | boodie: if so, probably safe to "chgrp video /dev/raw1394" and add yourself to the video group if you're not already in it. that "chgrp ..." will get reset if you reboot or something, so if you want to keep that you'd probably have to set a udev rule somewhere... |
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| 10:57.21 | abrotman | jez9999: yes |
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| 10:57.29 | w3stdream | hoi zepp |
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| 10:58.15 | fxiny | pozic: garbage ? is a feature i love in debian , take this old verion i'm using : apt-cache policy swatch -> Installed: 3.0.4-1 , i don want a newer version , i want PERLCODE=$regex |
| 10:58.36 | jez9999 | what about the -trunk package? |
| 10:58.51 | abrotman | jez9999: i told you yesterday .. get rid of it |
| 10:58.52 | pozic | Fawkes: some software is dominated by other software. |
| 10:59.07 | jez9999 | but what is it for as opposed to the numbered images? |
| 10:59.30 | w3stdream | 3 hiurs left for germany argentina :P |
| 10:59.33 | pozic | Fawkes: that might not be true for partimage specifically, but having one supported way to do something is better than 10 mediocre ones. |
| 11:00.09 | pozic | fxiny: overall, Debian is quite nice, but it is not polished. |
| 11:00.10 | jmd | w3stdream, 3 what? |
| 11:00.11 | abrotman | jez9999: it was kind of an experimental kernel .. not useful anymore |
| 11:00.21 | nevyn | hrm |
| 11:00.31 | w3stdream | sorry :P |
| 11:00.34 | nevyn | so I'm trying to do something that's possibly silly... |
| 11:00.35 | w3stdream | i meant hours |
| 11:00.50 | nevyn | I'm trying to use make-kpkg to build a kernel in a git tree. |
| 11:00.56 | Nai-ux | how does alsamixer change the main volume (pcm), can i do that from command line? |
| 11:01.21 | pozic | Is there a way to see why my transfer speed over USB2 is only 4.7MB/s to an external drive? Normally it doesn about 25MB/s. |
| 11:01.25 | pozic | does* |
| 11:01.31 | fxiny | pozic: we can help to make it shiny by donating to debian instead of forking it , just in case luck struck on us |
| 11:01.46 | lost_soul | Nai-ux: aarow keys, and then alsactl store |
| 11:01.52 | lost_soul | to save the settings |
| 11:02.11 | Nai-ux | i mean, can i change the volume with a command, instead of opening the ncurses utility |
| 11:02.32 | pozic | fxiny: to fix the polishing things, there has to be an actual developer fund to do the boring stuff. |
| 11:02.41 | pozic | fxiny: things like optimizing apt, for example. |
| 11:02.47 | abrotman | Nai-ux: i think the alsamixer man page mentions how or points you were |
| 11:02.47 | abrotman | where |
| 11:03.07 | Crypticfortune | Nai-ux: amixer set PCM 100% |
| 11:03.46 | Nai-ux | what is the other method of audio called that is not alsa? i am writing script and want to be compatible |
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| 11:03.54 | Nai-ux | Crypticfortune, thanks, im reading that man page now |
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| 11:04.26 | Crypticfortune | Nai-ux: there are sadly many...maybe you're thinking of OSS? |
| 11:04.38 | Nai-ux | yes, thanks. |
| 11:04.55 | abrotman | that's not really used anymore |
| 11:04.59 | jez9999 | hmm |
| 11:05.12 | jez9999 | in aptitude, why does the group 'Installed Packages' exist? |
| 11:05.28 | jez9999 | some packages that are installed are just in the New Packages category anyway |
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| 11:05.38 | Fawkes | So you can see what you've got installed, and possibly uninstall them? |
| 11:05.40 | e-anima | anyone knows a module that could split the sections when creationg a node into tabs? |
| 11:05.46 | fxiny | pozic: i am a user , i know my limits but if you feel to help coding just do it |
| 11:05.47 | e-anima | like vertical tabs only on top |
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| 11:05.53 | jez9999 | so New packages is a superset of Installed Packages? |
| 11:06.19 | Fawkes | I wouldn't think so, no. |
| 11:06.30 | Fawkes | They're just overlapping sets. |
| 11:06.41 | e-anima | ops wrong hcan sry |
| 11:06.46 | jez9999 | so why would an installed package be in New Packages but not in Installed Packages? |
| 11:07.10 | Fawkes | That, to me, would be a mystery. |
| 11:07.18 | pozic | fxiny: I feel that doing it for free would devalue my time. |
| 11:07.20 | Crypticfortune | so, anyone care to take a stab at my routing question? im still stuck. my house router has a few interfaces: eth0 (on lan), ppp0 (wan), and tap0 (vpn). how can I / is it possible to set up some iptable mangling mojo to route all traffic from specific lan hosts over tap0, and other lan hosts over ppp0? |
| 11:07.23 | jez9999 | for example that applies to the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package |
| 11:07.34 | nevyn | I'm getting the error during build in this pastie: http://paste.debian.net/79436/ |
| 11:07.45 | Fawkes | pozic: It's a good job there are more civic minded people than you, then. |
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| 11:08.09 | Fawkes | Otherwise you wouldn't have all the software to complain about. |
| 11:08.15 | pozic | Fawkes: not really, I don't mind trading my time against other peoples time. |
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| 11:08.25 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: i don't see why not, but you'll probably get much better help in #netfilter |
| 11:08.48 | pozic | Fawkes: and I only complain when people promise stuff, but don't deliver. |
| 11:08.52 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: thanks, i'll try there. |
| 11:09.10 | pozic | Fawkes: even if it is free, they should not promise on their website it does a particular function, while in fact it does not. |
| 11:09.17 | nevyn | jez9999: in aptitude you can use f to "forget" what packages are new. |
| 11:09.26 | pozic | Fawkes: it is the same reason why one could hate Windows "more secure" (worthless). |
| 11:09.56 | nevyn | Crypticfortune: yes iptables can do this. |
| 11:10.37 | w3stdream | time for beer (B) |
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| 11:10.45 | jez9999 | nevyn: you mean aptitude gets confused and needs nursing? :-) |
| 11:10.46 | gps23 | pozic: Gcalctool is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, |
| 11:10.46 | gps23 | but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of |
| 11:10.46 | gps23 | MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the |
| 11:10.48 | nevyn | Crypticfortune: well iproute2 and iptables and stuff |
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| 11:10.56 | nevyn | jez9999: no. its a convienience feature. |
| 11:11.02 | fxiny | pozic: time ? time is an illusion , it doesn't not exist , so no values can stick on it . add values to your self by sharing your abilities with others |
| 11:11.02 | gps23 | pozic: just an example |
| 11:11.09 | jez9999 | well i dont understand why that package isnt in Installed Packages |
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| 11:11.26 | nevyn | it's for humans so you can see what's new without having to do the diff yourself in the sections you care about. |
| 11:12.00 | Crypticfortune | nevyn: what kind of rules should i be putting where? I don't know how change routing behavior via iptables... |
| 11:12.04 | nevyn | but aptitude I think defaults to not reseting the new comparision point. |
| 11:12.15 | Crypticfortune | nevyn: ill check out iproute2...never touched that before. |
| 11:12.20 | jez9999 | nevyn: but why isn't that package in the Installed Packages list? |
| 11:12.30 | nevyn | which? |
| 11:12.33 | jez9999 | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 11:12.40 | nevyn | is it installed? |
| 11:12.43 | jez9999 | yes |
| 11:12.55 | nevyn | press f and it will be :) |
| 11:13.30 | jez9999 | it's actually marked A but it's still installed automatically |
| 11:13.36 | nevyn | so f resets the new comparison point to now. |
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| 11:14.09 | abrotman | jez9999: is linux-image-amd64 in that section ? |
| 11:14.11 | jez9999 | well it has fixed it. it's weird tho, it should've been there before |
| 11:14.12 | nevyn | so it's not really forget as much as I've looked at all the new packages or I don't care anymore. |
| 11:14.14 | w3stdream | salut! |
| 11:14.24 | jez9999 | 'f' has now put it in installed packages |
| 11:14.30 | jez9999 | but it should've been there before |
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| 11:14.38 | nevyn | well...... |
| 11:14.49 | nevyn | it can't be in multiple sections |
| 11:14.53 | abrotman | jez9999: that package was 'Automatically' installed, so it wasn't directly 'Installed' |
| 11:14.59 | nevyn | and "new" has higher precidence than installed. |
| 11:15.06 | jez9999 | nevyn: ah, that explains it. |
| 11:15.22 | jez9999 | i reckon installed should have the higher priority |
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| 11:15.31 | nevyn | jez9999: use cases such as... |
| 11:15.35 | jez9999 | or, it can be in more than 1 category |
| 11:15.37 | linduxed | is there a way to print out what an alias stands for? |
| 11:15.38 | nevyn | you did a upgrade... |
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| 11:15.50 | jez9999 | nevyn: such as you wish to know what packages you have installed in a category? |
| 11:15.52 | nevyn | and something new broke stuff. |
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| 11:16.00 | jez9999 | it's not much good if that package is still sitting around in 'new' |
| 11:16.18 | nevyn | well but if you look in new and see |
| 11:16.20 | jez9999 | installed should be a subset of other sections |
| 11:16.23 | syslq | How do I use -f switch? aptitude -f only opens ncurses, and there is no clear example in man |
| 11:16.33 | nevyn | "package that does undesirable things" |
| 11:16.57 | nevyn | jez9999: it's kinda contrived. but it might be useful. |
| 11:17.05 | jez9999 | nevyn: yeah but if some installed packages might be somewhere else, it rather begs the question as to why bother having an installed category at all as opposed to an installed filter that doesnt show any uninstalled packages |
| 11:17.07 | nevyn | syslq: not -f "f" |
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| 11:17.25 | nevyn | jez9999: I use installed.. when I run out of disk space on my eeepc |
| 11:17.26 | nevyn | ;) |
| 11:17.28 | syslq | nevyn: sorry, aptitude f, does the same thing |
| 11:17.39 | syslq | nevyn: how do I use it? |
| 11:17.52 | nevyn | syslq: no in the ncurses interface press "f" |
| 11:18.00 | nevyn | the equivilent commandline is |
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| 11:18.06 | syslq | yes? |
| 11:18.33 | nevyn | aptitude forget-new |
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| 11:18.56 | syslq | That fixes dependency problems? |
| 11:18.59 | nevyn | no. |
| 11:19.11 | nevyn | got wires crossed. |
| 11:19.14 | TMS | I got a raid5 array with 8 devices and two disks were accidentally unplugged (would you believe me if I said it was the cat?). it's been so long since I set this up and had to touch mdadm last time that I'm a bit hesitant to rush into throwing commands at it. http://paste.linuxassist.net/215329 |
| 11:19.25 | nevyn | you need to specify a command as well as the -f switch to fix dependancies. |
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| 11:19.53 | nevyn | can anyone help with my problem with patched-00011-gfda903c [new prereqs: ]====== |
| 11:19.56 | nevyn | This is kernel package version 11.015. |
| 11:19.59 | nevyn | echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo " \"\" "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo " \"2.6.33.5-rt23rt-ftupatched-00011-gfda903c\" "; echo "Please correct this."; exit 2 |
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| 11:20.04 | nevyn | The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h "" |
| 11:20.07 | syslq | nevyn: ah, you mean aptitude -f install, aptitude -f purge, thanks |
| 11:20.09 | nevyn | does not match current version: "2.6.33.5-rt23rt-ftupatched-00011-gfda903c" |
| 11:20.14 | nevyn | Please correct this. |
| 11:20.17 | nevyn | ouch |
| 11:20.18 | nevyn | syslq: yes I do. |
| 11:20.20 | nevyn | sorry all |
| 11:20.47 | nevyn | I ment to paste http://paste.debian.net/79436/ |
| 11:20.47 | Ahox | Hi, I have an missaligned partition starting at sector 63 on an RAID. I want to align it on the 4MB boundary. Is it enough to use parted /dev/cciss/c1d1 resize 1 4MB 1500MB ? |
| 11:21.18 | nevyn | Ahox: you can use sectors directly to do hard alignment if you want. |
| 11:21.45 | abrotman | nevyn: FWIW .. aren't tyhey up to a .34 in experimental now ? |
| 11:22.13 | nevyn | abrotman: -rt |
| 11:22.15 | Ahox | nevyn, so just replace the 4MB with (4*1024*1024/512)s and apart from that its correct? |
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| 11:22.32 | bird_ | hi |
| 11:22.34 | abrotman | nevyn: but that's your own patchset right? just against the debian kernel ? |
| 11:22.52 | w3stdream | hi bird :) |
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| 11:23.26 | abrotman | w3stdream: have you seen #debian-offtopic ? |
| 11:23.37 | nevyn | abrotman: no. that's ingo's realtime project. |
| 11:23.38 | w3stdream | not yet |
| 11:23.48 | w3stdream | i'm pretty new to debian and irc |
| 11:23.57 | nevyn | so it's a branch from a repo from kernel.org |
| 11:24.02 | abrotman | it's a place for general chatting, instead of here |
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| 11:24.04 | abrotman | nevyn: ah okay |
| 11:24.59 | nevyn | it's just not linus's mainline/current |
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| 11:25.07 | lilib | hi |
| 11:25.15 | PopUp | ok |
| 11:25.18 | lilib | something strange happen to me :-( |
| 11:25.39 | lilib | i used webmin and through webmin i upgraded whole debian |
| 11:25.47 | nevyn | Ahox: well 4MB would seem to be wrong |
| 11:26.10 | lilib | after my debian has been upgraded .php is "done" :-( |
| 11:26.12 | nevyn | 4 would seem to be correct or $((4*1024*2)) |
| 11:26.19 | abrotman | a) don't use webmin b) don't use webmin to upgrade debian |
| 11:26.28 | abrotman | lilib: we need more details |
| 11:27.08 | lilib | abrotman, of course i tried at least a little bit system "save" |
| 11:27.08 | RichiH | is there a rss reader that uses google reader as a backend? specifically, i need to export the read & starred items, not just the feeds |
| 11:27.10 | PopUp | well apt-get upgrade throws some strage errors over here : http://pastebin.com/24RCzeVf |
| 11:27.15 | RichiH | craigevil: ^ |
| 11:27.20 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 11:27.21 | lilib | and now i need extacly remove apache. sqlite and php |
| 11:27.26 | ZenWalker | debian:~# update-initramfs -u |
| 11:27.30 | lilib | i will install it again |
| 11:27.32 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 11:27.32 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 11:27.38 | ZenWalker | I can solve it? |
| 11:27.51 | abrotman | you're using the wrong kernel |
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| 11:28.12 | ZenWalker | debian:~# uname -a |
| 11:28.15 | ZenWalker | Linux debian 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 06:32:16 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:28.32 | ZenWalker | wrong? |
| 11:28.39 | abrotman | ZenWalker: aptitude install linux-image-686 , reboot, choose the -5- , remove the -trunk- |
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| 11:31.00 | PopUp | any ideas? |
| 11:31.14 | ZenWalker | ah ok, thanks abrotman :) |
| 11:31.29 | abrotman | PopUp: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 11:31.33 | lilib | abrotman> how can i exactly remove whole php, apache and sqlite? |
| 11:31.35 | PopUp | kk |
| 11:32.03 | abrotman | lilib: that won't fix it .. you need to give us more details about the problem |
| 11:32.52 | lilib | it won't find pdo and pdo_sqlite anymore |
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| 11:33.05 | PopUp | http://pastebin.com/67EiLbjL @ abrotman |
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| 11:33.10 | lilib | apache2 handles html and basic php well |
| 11:33.28 | lilib | but i am not able to get running pdo and pdo_sqlite modules |
| 11:33.36 | lilib | again |
| 11:34.00 | abrotman | PopUp: you're mixing versions of debian, this will almost always end badly |
| 11:34.05 | abrotman | !tell PopUp about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:34.31 | PopUp | kk |
| 11:34.40 | PopUp | thx |
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| 11:36.11 | jez9999 | hmm |
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| 11:36.28 | nevyn | so it appears that linux has moved version stuff around a bit and this has made make-kpkg sad. |
| 11:36.32 | jez9999 | any idea why i would have /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 existing when that package isn't installed? |
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| 11:36.39 | ZenWalker | hi abrotman |
| 11:36.43 | abrotman | hi |
| 11:36.48 | ZenWalker | debian:~# uname -a |
| 11:36.48 | ZenWalker | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:59:47 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:36.54 | abrotman | much better |
| 11:36.58 | ZenWalker | debian:~# update-initramfs -u |
| 11:37.04 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 11:37.04 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 11:37.10 | ZenWalker | ¿? |
| 11:37.10 | PopUp | abrotman : hrmpf the binutils package seems to be broken, he wont goon without that |
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| 11:37.17 | PopUp | _really_ broken |
| 11:37.21 | abrotman | PopUp: that's because you're trying to remove it .. BAD |
| 11:37.34 | liable | that sounds fun |
| 11:37.40 | abrotman | ZenWalker: well .. that's weird |
| 11:37.58 | PopUp | abrotman : i'm not trying to remove it :D |
| 11:38.02 | jez9999 | the existence of /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 is causing it to show up in my boot menu |
| 11:38.17 | jez9999 | is it safe to just delete that file or is there some other procedure i should be using to get rid of it? |
| 11:38.27 | abrotman | jez9999: 'dpkg -l linux-image*' .. does it show up ? |
| 11:38.29 | karim_ | hi |
| 11:39.01 | syslq | if I understand correctly aptitude full upgrade should be aptitude -f full-upgrade? |
| 11:39.03 | karim_ | is rc.local ran after all other init scripts are finished running, or after they are all ran ? |
| 11:39.09 | karim_ | lanuched |
| 11:39.12 | karim_ | launched |
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| 11:39.42 | nevyn | jez9999: the install kernel isn't a package. I've grumbled about this before nobody cares. |
| 11:40.02 | nevyn | actually |
| 11:40.09 | jez9999 | abrotman: yes, with an obscure syntax for each line of output |
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| 11:40.15 | liable | karim_: check its start number in the appropriate runlevel directory |
| 11:40.28 | abrotman | jez9999: pastebin |
| 11:40.51 | nevyn | jez9999: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 doesn't return a package name? |
| 11:40.58 | jez9999 | http://paste.debian.net/79441/ |
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| 11:41.11 | PopUp | ok abrotman : binutils is broken, i downloaded it again as a deb but installing it with dpkg -i : http://pastebin.com/RMpK8uXu |
| 11:41.21 | abrotman | jez9999: 'ii' means installed .. remove the package if yo udon't want it |
| 11:41.41 | jez9999 | abrotman: why doesnt aptitude tell me it's installed? |
| 11:41.50 | jez9999 | nevyn: yeah it does |
| 11:42.09 | nevyn | jez9999: ignore my ramblings from 8 years ago then ;) |
| 11:42.42 | nevyn | I think debian-installer actually fixed that bugbear of mine properly. |
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| 11:42.54 | karim_ | liable: you don't understood the question |
| 11:43.00 | karim_ | liable: you didn't understood the question |
| 11:43.15 | nevyn | karim_: rc.local runs last. |
| 11:43.19 | nevyn | iirs. |
| 11:43.25 | nevyn | man init |
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| 11:48.09 | p0g0 | liable: you don't understand understanding! |
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| 11:50.05 | jez9999 | OK, i'm slowly ironing this system out :-) |
| 11:50.28 | jez9999 | does anyone else get a ton of messages on boot along the lines of: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to... |
| 11:50.28 | jez9999 | ? |
| 11:50.34 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 11:50.42 | p0g0 | yes |
| 11:50.42 | jez9999 | do i wait for an update or can i fix it? |
| 11:50.48 | nevyn | you CAN fix it. |
| 11:51.06 | nevyn | but it might break when the maintainer fixes their packages |
| 11:51.10 | jez9999 | yeah |
| 11:51.18 | jez9999 | it's been happening for ages now, just wondering when they will fix it |
| 11:51.24 | jez9999 | it's the only thing polluting the boot log |
| 11:51.31 | nevyn | so if you have your own udev rules relying on SYSFS{} matching.. then fix those absolutely |
| 11:51.43 | nevyn | if it's part of a package.. shrug. |
| 11:52.01 | abrotman | jez9999: the maintainer should fix it, not you .. you can file a bugt if you want, but i'm sure it's happened already |
| 11:52.08 | jez9999 | looks like it's in /lib/udev/rules.d/56-hpmud_support.rules |
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| 11:52.28 | nevyn | jez9999: dpkg -S that file. |
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| 11:53.37 | PopUp | ok great how can i reinstall ldconfig? |
| 11:54.04 | TMS | I got a raid5 array(lvm2) with 8 disks and two are marked as faulty (they were accidentally unplugged). I'm not able to fix it http://paste.linuxassist.net/215329 |
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| 11:54.40 | nevyn | TMS: you HAD a raid5 array.. :-P |
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| 11:55.01 | nevyn | TMS: you can force-start the array in degraded mode. |
| 11:55.03 | TMS | nevyn: I like to believe it's still there, somewhere ;) |
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| 11:55.37 | nevyn | TMS: it's been a while but I have had to do this in the past... |
| 11:55.41 | jez9999 | OK so in the gnome-sensors widget now, i am getting a 'libsensors' category... but still no 'acpi' category |
| 11:55.42 | jez9999 | :-) |
| 11:55.49 | jez9999 | any idea how i could get that acpi category? |
| 11:56.41 | abrotman | jez9999: did you check with gdesklets yet? |
| 11:57.05 | jez9999 | it says it can get ACPI info 'via the Linux kernel ACPI modules' but what exactly does that mean |
| 11:57.10 | jez9999 | it's a bit of a fuzzy term |
| 11:57.25 | TMS | nevyn: do you mean "mdadm -A --force /dev/md0"? I get "mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0" |
| 11:57.41 | nevyn | do you have a /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 11:58.00 | nevyn | mdadm -A --force /dev/md0 <LISTOFDISKS> |
| 11:58.05 | TMS | nevyn: yes, you can see it at the bottom of the paste here http://paste.linuxassist.net/215329 |
| 11:58.11 | jez9999 | abrotman: i dont have gdesklets installed, but which desklet are you talking about? |
| 11:58.42 | PopUp | no ideas? |
| 11:58.44 | PopUp | great -.- |
| 11:58.47 | abrotman | jez9999: you probably have them installed, just not setup |
| 11:59.09 | jez9999 | the gdesklets package isn't installed |
| 11:59.23 | abrotman | PopUp: you can use packages.debian.org to search for filenames |
| 11:59.38 | jez9999 | but how does this help me get acpi for gnome-sensors? |
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| 12:00.07 | abrotman | it may not .. it might be that gnome-sensors is broken .. did you look in the BTS? |
| 12:00.14 | karim_ | nevyn: this doesn't answers my question |
| 12:00.14 | jez9999 | BTS? |
| 12:00.27 | abrotman | jez9999: bugs.debian.org/gnome-sensors |
| 12:00.33 | bartm | jez9999: BTS = bug tracking system |
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| 12:00.47 | nevyn | karim_: ? |
| 12:00.55 | karim_ | nevyn: it's launched last, or it's launched after all scripts are finshed to run. I need to know if there can be a concurrency issue |
| 12:01.30 | PopUp | thx abrotman |
| 12:01.39 | jez9999 | it's sensors-applet actually |
| 12:01.40 | jez9999 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=sensors-applet;dist=unstable |
| 12:02.19 | nevyn | in classic init it's default sequential AIUI if your startup script spawns something with a long startup in the background tho allbets are off as to concurrency safeness |
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| 12:02.40 | nevyn | but the script for starting foo will have completed even if the foo daemon hasn't finished initialising yet. |
| 12:03.12 | jez9999 | http://sensors-applet.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/004-sensors-prefs.jpg |
| 12:03.24 | jez9999 | it looks like you ought to be able to get an acpi section at the top of the sensors list |
| 12:03.31 | jez9999 | i see no bug about its not appearing |
| 12:05.02 | nevyn | jez9999: is there a bug that' it's udev rules need to be updated to prevent warnings? |
| 12:05.05 | abrotman | jez9999: did you look for a BIOS update yet? |
| 12:05.09 | nevyn | if not make one. |
| 12:05.10 | karim_ | nevyn: because I may have an issue. I ran a command in rc.local to set keys of a remote on /dev/input/ but I needed to run it manually again, so something didn't worked fine |
| 12:05.23 | jez9999 | nevyn: havent looked |
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| 12:05.43 | jez9999 | abrotman: no, but i'd really like to know how that applet is trying to decide whether to display an acpi group |
| 12:05.56 | jez9999 | before i start mucking around with flashing the bios |
| 12:06.16 | nevyn | karim_: /dev/input what? |
| 12:06.16 | abrotman | jez9999: you do realize the BIOS update might have ACPI fix? |
| 12:06.31 | jez9999 | yeah, but it might not be necessary |
| 12:06.43 | nevyn | hates bioses |
| 12:06.59 | nevyn | but then I hate most things about computers. |
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| 12:08.32 | PopUp | it works! |
| 12:08.33 | PopUp | woohoo |
| 12:08.48 | bartm | another happy user |
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| 12:08.54 | jez9999 | sigh |
| 12:09.10 | jez9999 | well i guess i dont know how it determines whether to show an acpi sensor group |
| 12:09.27 | jez9999 | but that screenie would seem to suggest that it can be there *as well as* i2c-related stuff as both are there |
| 12:09.35 | pozic | Why does a computer even need a BIOS? |
| 12:09.59 | abrotman | jez9999: have you looked in /usr/share/doc/sensors-applet/ yet? |
| 12:10.31 | pozic | Why can't the harddisk simply contain the OS in self-delimited language? |
| 12:11.52 | jez9999 | abrotman: yeah, it's much the same |
| 12:11.54 | jez9999 | it says "Linux kernel 2.6 with ACPI modules loaded (CONFIG_ACPI & |
| 12:11.54 | jez9999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.59 | pozic | In my experience vendors have proven to write ever crappier BIOSes over time. |
| 12:12.09 | jez9999 | i dont get what CONFIG_ACPI is about |
| 12:13.35 | nevyn | pozic: it could if we lived in a legacy free world. |
| 12:14.33 | nevyn | the terifying thing is of all the early boot stage systems (OpenFirmware, Openboot, Openprom etc) the worst and crappiest has continued to survive. |
| 12:14.41 | nevyn | EFI makes some of this stuff somewhat better. |
| 12:14.42 | jez9999 | any idea what he might be on about with that? |
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| 12:15.21 | pozic | nevyn: what are these "legacy systems" people talk about? That seems simply like bad business. |
| 12:15.46 | pozic | nevyn: I have no legacy systems that cannot have a convertor cable. (e.g. parallel port hardware) |
| 12:16.01 | nevyn | tries to parse that and fails. |
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| 12:16.23 | pozic | nevyn: which sentence? |
| 12:16.38 | nevyn | the second one |
| 12:16.46 | nevyn | and legacy systems are often good business. |
| 12:17.02 | pozic | nevyn: you mean for the person providing the fix? |
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| 12:17.21 | pozic | nevyn: in my experience lots of companies have inhouse third party closed source software. |
| 12:17.33 | nevyn | retraining and business change costs in my experience are almost always underestimated. |
| 12:17.38 | pozic | nevyn: those decisions were simply bad business decisions. |
| 12:17.51 | nevyn | and dwarf percieved "savings" from migration projects |
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| 12:19.09 | nevyn | pozic: maybe |
| 12:20.07 | Ahox_ | Hi, I have a problem with parted. It complains about restrains. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/CGBBiVAJ |
| 12:20.13 | nevyn | pozic: it depends if the 3rd party developer thinks they can actually sell this to other customers they may be willing to develop it at a cost lower than the true development cost. |
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| 12:20.38 | Ahox_ | The used data is certainly below my new size |
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| 12:21.20 | pozic | nevyn: yes, but you should have the source code in some kind of escrow service (preferably multiple) such that when the company goes down, you still can keep your software up to date. |
| 12:21.44 | pozic | nevyn: binaries are worthless and a disaster waiting to happen. |
| 12:21.50 | nevyn | pozic: I like the idea of source escrow or disclosed source on such projects. |
| 12:21.57 | nevyn | but I'm a tech not a manager. |
| 12:22.10 | nevyn | and I can see why managers get it wrong. |
| 12:22.31 | pozic | If it is not your own company, you don't have to care that much, I suppose even as a manager. |
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| 12:23.09 | pozic | They just want to do the core-business of the company and disregard important details. |
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| 12:23.31 | pozic | So, while it might work great for 10 years, after those 10 years you will have much larger problems. |
| 12:23.45 | nevyn | pozic: but at that point it's a bad decision made 10 years ago. |
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| 12:23.51 | nevyn | and NOBODY cares. |
| 12:23.54 | pozic | nevyn: right |
| 12:24.10 | pozic | There is a tendency to "outsource IT" in certain environments. |
| 12:24.21 | fxiny | they do it on puprose : large problems are larger business |
| 12:24.26 | nevyn | meh. it's just the fashion. |
| 12:24.33 | nevyn | IT is a fashion industry. |
| 12:24.34 | pozic | As a user of computer networks I find that extremely annoying when things do not work as they should. |
| 12:25.09 | nevyn | Insourcing ... outsourcing Thin clients ... fat clients (terminals and applications) |
| 12:25.21 | nevyn | client server peer to peer. |
| 12:25.22 | fxiny | is like car insurance : more damage means higher rates |
| 12:25.36 | pozic | If I cannot walk to the network administrator and say "this and that" is what server blah is doing wrong, I have even less control over my environment, which as psychology research confirms, makes me unhappy :) |
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| 12:25.57 | fxiny | because the equation used is evil |
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| 12:26.24 | pozic | If I hear some stories about Windows environments, I cannot comprehend the stuff people put up with. |
| 12:26.44 | nevyn | pozic: but if you walk to the network admin and take 2hrs of his time and don't raise a ticket he doesn't have a request to account his time to. |
| 12:26.49 | fxiny | so a manager can be managing a potoes farm or a software house |
| 12:26.55 | nevyn | and a resource that doesn't report doesn't produce anything. |
| 12:26.58 | nevyn | much as that sucks. |
| 12:27.10 | pozic | nevyn: that depends on the environment. |
| 12:27.36 | pozic | nevyn: some probably don't even have ticket or don't have to report to anyone. |
| 12:27.42 | nevyn | fxiny: let's not get started on the whole MBA takeover issue. |
| 12:27.44 | pozic | tickets* |
| 12:27.56 | nevyn | sure some. |
| 12:28.29 | pozic | nevyn: which brings us to the a good administrator is someone who automates his own profession away. |
| 12:29.06 | pozic | nevyn: you will get to the point where an administrator only has to perform 10 minutes of work per day. |
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| 12:29.20 | pozic | (at which point he will be replaced by someone less competent) |
| 12:29.44 | nevyn | ah automation one of my favorite things. |
| 12:30.08 | nevyn | is a big fan of automation of sysadmin stuff. |
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| 12:30.18 | nevyn | I particularly like puppet. |
| 12:30.30 | nevyn | but mostly because it takes dross away. |
| 12:30.40 | nevyn | the problem is that it requires a culture re-think. |
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| 12:31.13 | nevyn | people have to stop caring about individual systems and start thinking of their entire department/enterprise as a single thing. |
| 12:31.56 | nevyn | and the interaction of widescale automation with ITIL concepts can get kinda hairy. |
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| 12:32.33 | fxiny | automation is interesting indeed because it can't be done with the old s* culture |
| 12:33.50 | pozic | nevyn: how does ITIL interact with it? |
| 12:34.27 | pozic | nevyn: I read some paragraphs about ITIL in books, but not completel books. |
| 12:34.31 | pozic | complete* |
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| 12:41.37 | gapz | hi |
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| 12:43.02 | nevyn | pozic: ITIL is about establishing human checks and balances around stuff happening in a "controled" environment |
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| 12:43.55 | djiano | hi |
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| 12:46.10 | plastun | hello! can anybody help me with building coretemp module for lm-sensors? |
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| 12:46.33 | fxiny | hideo: hey ! |
| 12:46.44 | hideo | lo fxiny |
| 12:46.48 | hideo | how are you? |
| 12:47.01 | fxiny | hideo: long time ! i'm fine , you ? |
| 12:47.26 | hideo | fxiny: great, maybe we should take this over to pm |
| 12:47.50 | fxiny | hideo: :) |
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| 12:50.07 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 12:50.14 | [Jasper] | I'm looking for a live cd which has nfs capability? |
| 12:50.21 | [Jasper] | anyone got an idea if there is such a thing? |
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| 13:01.42 | BrixSat | j |
| 13:01.57 | BrixSat | hello, how do i change the default browser? |
| 13:02.36 | fxiny | BrixSat: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 13:03.14 | BrixSat | fxiny, altought iceweasel is the default it always opens with epiphany |
| 13:05.02 | hideo | BrixSat: you may need to log out and log back in after you do what fxiny recommends |
| 13:05.16 | BrixSat | hideo, rebooted twice :p |
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| 13:05.57 | hideo | BrixSat: if that didn't work maybe it's something specific to your wm/de ? |
| 13:06.44 | BrixSat | hideo, wm/de ? |
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| 13:06.55 | fxiny | BrixSat: what file /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser say ? |
| 13:07.14 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.26 | hideo | BrixSat: windows manager or desktop environment |
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| 13:08.03 | BrixSat | fxiny, http://pastebin.com/WCtHZpvW |
| 13:08.03 | qq- | epiphany-gecko is default for gnome at least |
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| 13:09.22 | qq- | BrixSat, what's that paste ? |
| 13:09.22 | hideo | BrixSat: looks like you have to change it from whatever DE you use |
| 13:09.47 | hideo | qq-: it's basically a link to a script which calls the iceweasel binary |
| 13:09.52 | hideo | i think |
| 13:10.06 | fxiny | BrixSat: just type : file /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser , is a handy (for scripts) symlink pointing to your default browser , and if you run that command i wrote before you should be able to switch default browser |
| 13:11.17 | fxiny | unless some desktop env plays against the rules |
| 13:11.33 | hideo | fxiny: that was my guess, yeah |
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| 13:12.51 | BrixSat | so if i type /etc/alternatives/x.www.browser ice weasel opens |
| 13:13.00 | BrixSat | no options :( |
| 13:13.04 | fxiny | hideo: i have tons of bash scripts scavenging the net and loading a browser whatever is via the x-www-broser link , someone don't like the debian x-www-browser symlink ? i do ;) |
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| 13:13.43 | BrixSat | it is not liking or not, im not understanding :p sorry |
| 13:13.52 | fxiny | you cant read in my scripts firefox file.html ;) |
| 13:14.16 | fxiny | BrixSat: not you , just tryong to explain that the debian alternatives system is good |
| 13:14.25 | hideo | fxiny: yeah, I have not tried other DE's or WM's out there so can't really say how faithful they follow the alternative system |
| 13:14.51 | hideo | BrixSat: so what DE do you use? |
| 13:15.08 | BrixSat | i have setted up there the default browser as being iceweasel but it is not working it is always showing epiphany |
| 13:15.15 | hideo | fxiny: check pm, ttyl |
| 13:15.19 | BrixSat | i have debian with gnome |
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| 13:16.18 | hideo | BrixSat: "Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Advanced -> Preferred Applications" |
| 13:16.20 | rozie | BrixSat: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 13:16.24 | rozie | IIRC |
| 13:16.53 | craigevil | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and choose iceweasel, in gnome you probably also have to do update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser |
| 13:17.02 | hideo | rozie: that's already been suggested by fxiny |
| 13:17.37 | fxiny | BrixSat: i see .my bad : the comand is -> type /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 13:17.48 | Bushmills | what is "it" what always comes up with epiphany? |
| 13:18.19 | BrixSat | the update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser showed a diferent config :D now it is working :D |
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| 13:18.44 | hideo | !beer craigevil |
| 13:18.44 | dpkg | pours a quart of Spaten Pils for craigevil |
| 13:18.44 | fxiny | gnome does that ? glad i'm on xmonad then |
| 13:18.56 | TMS | I got a raid5 array(lvm2) with 8 disks and two are marked as faulty (they were accidentally unplugged). I'm not able to fix it and would appreciate any pointers http://paste.linuxassist.net/215329 |
| 13:18.57 | hideo | fxiny: me too, nite |
| 13:19.03 | fxiny | hideo: nite |
| 13:19.39 | BrixSat | fignew, thanks :D |
| 13:19.39 | aguitel | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.40 | BrixSat | craigevil, thanks:D |
| 13:19.44 | craigevil | np |
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| 13:20.45 | craigevil | aguitel: take a look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/tweaking-the-****-out-of-firefox-3-a-728014/ |
| 13:20.59 | BrixSat | another question i have a soundcard (usb) how do i make it "default" |
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| 13:22.58 | aguitel | craigevil, thankz |
| 13:23.42 | Bushmills | aguitel: don't install browser extensions. keep your bookmarks list short. don't keep 90 days of history |
| 13:23.56 | Bushmills | use a prefetching proxy |
| 13:24.14 | fxiny | it makes no sense having a sub gnome-www-browser : does gnome comes with more then 1 preferred browsers ? i knew about epiphany , anymore ? |
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| 13:24.30 | Bushmills | galeon |
| 13:24.36 | fxiny | i see |
| 13:24.42 | aguitel | Bushmills, ok |
| 13:25.26 | Bushmills | aguitel: install adblock. don't animate gifs. block flash |
| 13:25.51 | aguitel | Bushmills, same noscript ? |
| 13:26.26 | lmaowaffle | hello. do any of you know which package provides the emacs info files? c-h i gives: Can't find the Info directory node. I'm using emacs -nw -Q (installed via emacs23 package) |
| 13:26.36 | Bushmills | may help in few cases, but it's more a bonus for security rather than for performance |
| 13:26.36 | lmaowaffle | this is on debian squeeze |
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| 13:32.53 | fxiny | hard to find the emacs info : emacs files are like a supernova explopsion leftovers |
| 13:33.06 | fxiny | at least on my system |
| 13:34.46 | ansgar | lmaowaffle: I think emacs23-common-non-dfsg does. |
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| 13:35.22 | syslq1 | why do I need b43 firmware extracted and placed into specific folder? Isnt firmware on the device itself? |
| 13:35.26 | Delfyn | i'm installing testing on a xen domu on top of lenny xen dom0, this worked a few months ago but now when "detecting disks and all other hardware" appears then it reaches 95% and hangs. ALT-F4 shows "hda: QEMU HARDDISK ... unknown partitition table" disk image is empty so that's right and then almost 6 minutes later "ISA bus detected; loading module ide-generic" |
| 13:35.43 | Delfyn | fdisk produces a library error, but sfdisk can access the disk no problem |
| 13:36.01 | bbd | syslq1: nope, most cheaper devices do not contain firmware and gets it uploaded by host machine |
| 13:36.36 | Delfyn | is this a "testing is broken just at the moment" thing? |
| 13:36.54 | syslq1 | bbd so basically once system is up, kernel takes care of "telling device to load firmware and from where"? |
| 13:37.09 | syslq1 | bbd: via driver I guess |
| 13:37.38 | lmaowaffle | ansgar: yeah. i thought so too, but restarting emacs (server) gives the same error |
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| 13:38.44 | bbd | syslq1: yes. driver requests load of firmware. even my hp laserjet cannot work without fw upload |
| 13:40.18 | syslq1 | bbd thank you |
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| 13:44.08 | Bushmills | Delfyn: testing will become stable when it is not broken any longer |
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| 13:44.57 | lmaowaffle | qq-: restarting server, and connecting with client* |
| 13:45.37 | Delfyn | bushmills :-) what i meant was is this specific problem a result of something in testing not functioning correctly at the moment, or something else (user error, ... )? |
| 13:45.54 | Delfyn | is it a known issue? |
| 13:46.22 | Bushmills | no idea. find out, and report it - i suppose that is the reason why you're running testing |
| 13:46.56 | Delfyn | yes, i'm trying to find out. I've experimented, I've googled, and now I'm asking for advice here. Can you advise me? |
| 13:46.58 | Bushmills | a fix would probably be appreciated :) |
| 13:47.44 | qq- | lmaowaffle, try to more verbose , never heard about "emacs server" , what trying to do ? |
| 13:47.48 | Bushmills | no, can't, as i didn't come across your problem |
| 13:48.20 | Bushmills | also, my netbook batteries are about drained now |
| 13:49.05 | syslq1 | If I come accross problem in debian I should report it? |
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| 13:50.24 | syslq1 | I ask since testing installer was really fscked, installing stable and upgrading worked fine |
| 13:50.32 | syslq1 | once I understood what I'm doing but ok :) |
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| 13:51.22 | qq- | s /try to/ try to be |
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| 13:52.57 | qq- | lmaowaffle, /msg dpkg emacs |
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| 14:00.01 | rozie | syslq1: there's tool for reporting bugs. reportbug is the name |
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| 14:10.53 | syslq1 | rozie: thanks |
| 14:12.06 | rozie | syslq1: I'm not sure if it's desired method for reporting bugs in installer, but you should take a look |
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| 14:14.27 | lmaowaffle | qq-: emacs --daemon, to be more exact |
| 14:14.42 | lmaowaffle | on a debian system, how is INFOPATH defined, if at all? |
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| 14:25.04 | JyZyXEL | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:25.05 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.07 | JyZyXEL | on lenny |
| 14:25.13 | JyZyXEL | where do i get additional information? |
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| 14:27.15 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: screenshot? |
| 14:27.38 | JyZyXEL | ? |
| 14:27.52 | abrotman | put it all in a pastebin |
| 14:28.03 | JyZyXEL | that was all |
| 14:28.38 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: I'm sure you typed some command to get that output? |
| 14:28.49 | abrotman | lies! |
| 14:28.51 | JyZyXEL | yea apt-get upgrade |
| 14:28.58 | JyZyXEL | but the rest of the stuff was for other packages |
| 14:29.04 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: how do you know? |
| 14:29.06 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: put the output in a pastebin |
| 14:29.15 | abrotman | if you want help from us, give us the information we ask for |
| 14:29.17 | qq- | lmaowaffle, read some doc , as /usr/share/doc/emacs23-common/README.gz and such |
| 14:29.25 | JyZyXEL | i can't give the output anymore its gone |
| 14:29.32 | JyZyXEL | my buffer is so tiny |
| 14:29.55 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: just run apt-get -f install again? |
| 14:30.47 | JyZyXEL | oh ok now i got the output |
| 14:31.46 | syslq1 | My sound was fscked, probably due to OSS drivers, how can I remove them now that I have installed ALSA? If I unload them will they be disabled permanently, there are no entrys in /etc/modules |
| 14:32.27 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/QKwjgfwi |
| 14:32.29 | JyZyXEL | there it is |
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| 14:35.02 | JyZyXEL | User postinst hook script [/sbin/update-grub] failed to execute: No such file or directory |
| 14:35.06 | JyZyXEL | how is that possible D: |
| 14:37.23 | JyZyXEL | update-grub: /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 14:37.39 | abrotman | those are different |
| 14:37.58 | JyZyXEL | well i don't have /sbin/update-grub |
| 14:38.27 | abrotman | so change the conf file to do that .. it told oyu to do that ages ago |
| 14:38.43 | JyZyXEL | ??? |
| 14:39.05 | JyZyXEL | what conf file? what told me? |
| 14:39.36 | bluesceada | anyone has a clue why debian could've installed this package: |
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| 14:39.38 | bluesceada | # aptitude why plasma-widget-yawp |
| 14:39.51 | bluesceada | doesnt report anything |
| 14:40.09 | bluesceada | i have two quite identical systems, on one it was installed for some reason, not on the other.... |
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| 14:40.33 | bluesceada | kde4 in squeeze seems to be still quite a dependency-hell |
| 14:40.42 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. Someone know a program to control the printer queue blocking and waiting a accept command before each document? I need a option to have a preview of the impression to... |
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| 14:41.01 | EduardeCalibal | All this in a network. |
| 14:41.19 | BlackFate | bluesceada: if you disable recommended packages from auto installing.. things become prety clean |
| 14:41.24 | JyZyXEL | so i need to symlink /usr/sbin/update-grub to /sbin/update-grub? |
| 14:41.28 | bluesceada | BlackFate: not even recommended |
| 14:41.50 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: no |
| 14:42.13 | JyZyXEL | its this cause i didn't read the NEWS files |
| 14:42.15 | bluesceada | i mean, i like this package! I needed some time to find out why only one system had some weather services available (not using yawp but the standard weather widget!) |
| 14:42.31 | bluesceada | and "why" doesnt say it was recommended by anything |
| 14:42.32 | bluesceada | hm |
| 14:43.20 | bluesceada | anyway,... okay, thanks, I will look into recommended etc. |
| 14:43.49 | JyZyXEL | the /etc/kernel-img.conf file had the path |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | he can be taught! |
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| 14:47.16 | lmaowaffle | qq-: thanks |
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| 14:47.57 | lmaowaffle | qq-: the issue was INFOPATH defined in shell init scripts clobbering emacs info-path - not Debian |
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| 14:52.21 | jk4 | hi, what package contains ifup and ifdown? |
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| 14:52.49 | abrotman | !tell jk4 about apt-file |
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| 14:53.52 | jk4 | that robot is awesome |
| 14:53.57 | jk4 | let me test it |
| 14:54.01 | abrotman | the bot? |
| 14:54.15 | jk4 | !tell abrotman he is fat |
| 14:54.24 | abrotman | jk4: don't abuse the bot |
| 14:54.34 | JyZyXEL | how do i list packages in lenny that are from other than lenny's official repos? |
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| 14:57.30 | jk4 | abrotman: the bot told me to type "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" but it errored |
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| 14:58.17 | abrotman | what errored? |
| 14:59.27 | jk4 | it doesn't matter because it works anyway, my problem is resloved, thankyou. |
| 14:59.36 | phogg | ... |
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| 15:03.55 | dutchfish | hi, how come when i build powertop from sid (1.13~pre20100125-1) it states in the headline 1.12 ? is there a mix up? Oh. btw version 1.11-1 segfaults and crashes in squeeze in x86_64. |
| 15:04.26 | abrotman | maybe because it's not 1.13 yet ? |
| 15:04.29 | dutchfish | while the 1.13-foo does work |
| 15:04.51 | dutchfish | then it should be named 1.12 according debian-policy |
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| 15:06.03 | dutchfish | anyway thanks |
| 15:06.37 | konr | anybody has any idea why I can't open aumix? (error opening mixer: Success) - I just installed Debian Lenny and on Debian Sid, it used to work |
| 15:07.19 | dv- | what a lazy error message that is |
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| 15:07.26 | dv- | try alsamixer? |
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| 15:08.15 | unixSnob | how do I ask aptitude for a list of available updates? I want to do this from the commandline rather than the synaptic gui |
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| 15:09.03 | konr | dv-: yes, alsamixer works! |
| 15:09.23 | unixSnob | "aptitude update" seems to update the database, but does not show what app actually has an update available |
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| 15:11.58 | beardy | unixSnob: That's right. |
| 15:12.41 | konr | unixSnob: well, you could run aptitude upgrade and just check out |
| 15:12.56 | konr | unixSnob: it prompts you before changing anything |
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| 15:13.03 | unixSnob | konr: okay, thanks |
| 15:13.48 | beardy | unixSnob: See the manual, the options "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade". |
| 15:14.00 | balzac5000 | Morning all - I'm trying to reinstall apache2 on my lenny box and I'm getting these errors http://pastebin.com/yh9dJ4Up |
| 15:14.28 | balzac5000 | I have indeed deleted the entire /etc/apache2 directory in an attempt to get a clean install. |
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| 15:14.53 | unixSnob | i actually want it to try to update, but warn about authentication problems, so I can abort, and go download the right key |
| 15:14.55 | balzac5000 | I've tried a "dpkg-reconfigure apache2.2-common" with no joy |
| 15:15.07 | unixSnob | I'm not sure how else to discover whick keys I need |
| 15:15.56 | beardy | unixSnob: Also if you run aptitude interactively, u to update, U to upgrade. g to view the pending updates. You can cancel the pending actions, but be a bit careful. |
| 15:16.45 | balzac5000 | Ah a purge of apache2.2-common and reinstall with aptitude seems to have done the trick |
| 15:18.14 | dutchfish | balzac5000: normally you dont manually delete chunks of installed code, use the packagemanager instead |
| 15:18.52 | balzac5000 | dutchfish: Yeah, I should let aptitude be as smart as it really is. |
| 15:19.38 | unixSnob | beardy: the aptitude gui shows me the warning about untrusted sources, but does not actually show me the gpg key id it's looking for. How do I find that out? |
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| 15:20.11 | dutchfish | balzac5000: furthermore it will warn you if something was manually added, which then need manaually removal or interaction |
| 15:20.36 | balzac5000 | dutchfish: so true |
| 15:21.23 | unixSnob | konr: it's just one prompt for all updates, is that correct? If I hit YES, is it going to prompt me on each package as well? |
| 15:22.51 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 15:25.22 | balzac5000 | Is there something additional I need to do to get Apache2 to parse php5 files? I've done several aptitude installs and uninstalls of drupal6 and spent significant time in the drupal chat room and on Google and I'm stumped. I've made sure to dump browser cache but the browser still tries to download the index.php file |
| 15:27.15 | abrotman | in a user dir? |
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| 15:28.21 | dutchfish | balzac5000: apart form clearing the cache in the browser make sure php5 is actually installed |
| 15:28.36 | balzac5000 | There are the php5 packages I have installed http://pastebin.com/603PFMxA and yet there is no php5.conf file in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 15:28.57 | balzac5000 | dutchfish: Oh, and thanks for the response, dutchfish! |
| 15:29.25 | balzac5000 | dutchfish: am I missing a php package? This is on a 5.0.5 box |
| 15:30.18 | dutchfish | balzac5000: it depends if you gine take the cgi or fast-cgi road, if not install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:31.24 | unixSnob | when I search around the web, other users seem to get a more useful warning for NOT_AUTHENTICATED packages.. it shows the missing key id. My version of apt-get does not -- nor does aptitude |
| 15:31.31 | abrotman | balzac5000: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 15:31.33 | balzac5000 | dutchfish: I've been playing with Apache 1.3 for years now, but I'm new to Apache2 so please pardon my ignorance. My cgi needs are pretty limited, I'm aiming to get Drupal working. Does it matter on the cgi vs fast-cgi route? |
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| 15:31.43 | abrotman | unixSnob: which version of aptitude ? |
| 15:31.43 | unixSnob | how can I force it to show me the id of the gpg key? |
| 15:31.44 | balzac5000 | abrotman: Yep |
| 15:32.08 | dutchfish | balzac5000: ehe, i thought thats why we have manuals |
| 15:32.10 | unixSnob | abrotman: 0.4.4-4 |
| 15:32.11 | abrotman | balzac5000: what's in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ ? |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | judd: versions aptitude |
| 15:32.21 | judd | aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4; lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1; squeeze: 0.6.3-2; sid: 0.6.3-2+b1 |
| 15:32.29 | abrotman | unixSnob: which version of dpkg ? |
| 15:32.54 | unixSnob | abrotman: 1.13.26 |
| 15:33.02 | abrotman | judd: versions dpkg |
| 15:33.04 | judd | dpkg -- etch: 1.13.26; lenny: 1.14.29; lenny-security: 1.14.29; sid: 1.15.7.2; squeeze: 1.15.7.2 |
| 15:33.04 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, judd |
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| 15:33.20 | abrotman | !tell unixSnob about etch->lenny |
| 15:33.31 | abrotman | unixSnob: put the full error in a pastebin |
| 15:34.18 | balzac5000 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/qv3QvPfw |
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| 15:34.49 | abrotman | balzac5000: did you delete something manually? |
| 15:35.07 | abrotman | balzac5000: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 .. then check again |
| 15:35.29 | balzac5000 | abrotman: I'm grateful for your help. Yes, and dutchfish already pointed out the error or my ways. I purged apache2 and then did a rm -Rf /etc/apach2 |
| 15:35.40 | unixSnob | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/3Vpg9Ahi <= my attempt to find out what gpg keys i need |
| 15:36.22 | balzac5000 | abrotman: I am *SO* rememering that aptitude command! |
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| 15:36.34 | abrotman | balzac5000: manually removing files is bad |
| 15:36.51 | abrotman | unixSnob: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 15:37.01 | abrotman | judd: versions debian-keyring |
| 15:37.02 | balzac5000 | Yeah I see that. I tought I was simply clearing a slate for aptitude to reinstall. |
| 15:37.02 | judd | debian-keyring -- etch: 2005.05.28; lenny: 2009.01.18; sid: 2010.06.08; squeeze: 2010.06.08 |
| 15:37.07 | balzac5000 | Not do again! |
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| 15:38.43 | unixSnob | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/wPXHWzL8 |
| 15:39.41 | abrotman | unixSnob: make sure your debian-keyring is up to date is all i can tell you .. etch has been sunset, you'd be smarter to upgrdae the machine to lenny |
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| 15:41.19 | balzac5000 | abrotman: One step closer. I have access to a bunch of Xp machine via remote and after restarting apache2 the browser is still trying to download the php file |
| 15:41.45 | balzac5000 | I did have to create the symbolic link in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled for php5.conf by hand |
| 15:41.46 | abrotman | clear the browser cache and restart the browser |
| 15:41.52 | abrotman | a2enmod php5 |
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| 15:44.17 | balzac5000 | abrotman: enabling the module did it! |
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| 15:45.15 | balzac5000 | What did we learn today? DON'T DELETE PACKAGE-MAINTAINER FILES MANUALLY |
| 15:45.54 | balzac5000 | abrotman: Thank you for your help! 1000 karma points headed your way |
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| 15:46.45 | civpro | im setting up a nfs server and client, both debian 5, i keep getting failed: RPC Error: Program not registered when i try to mound |
| 15:46.55 | civpro | any ideas? |
| 15:47.31 | abrotman | balzac5000: well, it's more important to not delete the conf files manually |
| 15:48.44 | civpro | mount* |
| 15:48.49 | dutchfish | beer it is |
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| 16:05.09 | Tux^verdreifelt | ¡VAMOS ESPAÑA! |
| 16:05.39 | civpro | english :) |
| 16:06.32 | AimHere | ¡VAMOS INGLÉS! |
| 16:06.43 | Tux^verdreifelt | england is out anyway. :) |
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| 16:07.53 | civpro | having some issues here with nfs server |
| 16:07.59 | civpro | here is the error |
| 16:08.01 | civpro | Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. (warning). |
| 16:08.10 | civpro | 2.6.33.5 |
| 16:08.13 | civpro | is what im running |
| 16:08.18 | civpro | any ideas? |
| 16:09.06 | qq- | civpro, ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:09.23 | civpro | they told me to ask here |
| 16:09.32 | civpro | since im running debian and not ubuntu |
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| 16:09.38 | harnir | hello |
| 16:09.38 | bintut | waves |
| 16:09.46 | harnir | I have problem with Postfix 2.5.5 on Debian Lenny with address extension support, when I send email to user+ext@domain it arrives in the main INBOX instead of a subfolder. after debugging I noticed that pipe doesn't expand {extension} variable, any way to make this work? |
| 16:10.22 | bintut | i'm having an issue here on my encrypted swap partition.. kindly check => http://www.pastie.org/1029359 |
| 16:10.32 | civpro | <h00k> civpro: if you're looking for support for debian, this isn't the place |
| 16:10.36 | civpro | lol |
| 16:11.33 | qq- | civpro, use a debian kernel |
| 16:11.58 | civpro | which one is compatible? |
| 16:12.20 | qq- | , kernels |
| 16:12.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:12.29 | civpro | i installed debian5 |
| 16:12.41 | civpro | lol so i assumed it was a debian kernel |
| 16:12.44 | bintut | the output of "free -m" command are all zeros.. there is no relevant contents on my /proc/swaps .. and lastly, the output of the command "cryptsetup status sda2_crypt" is "inactive". why is that so? |
| 16:12.48 | civpro | damn ovh |
| 16:12.49 | civpro | lol |
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| 16:13.12 | bintut | kindly check http://www.pastie.org/1029359 |
| 16:13.19 | civpro | lenny is what im using |
| 16:13.31 | civpro | hrm, but i did do an upgrade |
| 16:13.34 | civpro | maybe thats why |
| 16:13.39 | bintut | how can i verify the swap partition is working? |
| 16:16.30 | JyZyXEL | maybe cat /proc/swaps |
| 16:16.42 | JyZyXEL | or dmesg | grep swap |
| 16:17.03 | TMS | I got(had?) a raid5 array with 8 devices and two disks were accidentally unplugged (would you believe me if I said it was the cat?). it's been so long since I set this up and had to touch mdadm last time that I'm a bit hesitant to rush into throwing commands at it. http://paste.linuxassist.net/215329 |
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| 16:17.26 | bintut | JyZyXEL: the "cat /proc/swaps" is already included in my paste at http://www.pastie.org/1029359 |
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| 16:18.12 | bintut | JyZyXEL: and i don't have any output on my "dmesg | grep swap" command.. |
| 16:18.26 | JyZyXEL | you do not have swap then |
| 16:18.54 | bartm | bintut: are you familiar with "swapon" ? see "man swapon" |
| 16:19.04 | bintut | JyZyXEL: i see.. |
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| 16:20.02 | JyZyXEL | bintut: maybe /etc/init.d/cryptdisks start helps |
| 16:20.09 | bintut | bartm: i don't have an output on my command "swapon -s -a -v" |
| 16:21.14 | JyZyXEL | bintut: and are you sure crypttab supports UUID=? |
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| 16:22.00 | JyZyXEL | TMS: then you just gotta use force to assemble it |
| 16:22.25 | bintut | JyZyXEL: actually, i also have another encrypted partition on /dev/sda3 and it's working fine |
| 16:22.45 | bintut | sda2_crypt UUID=125e990d-ec61-40c5-89bc-88bd50a9d763 none luks,swap |
| 16:22.45 | bintut | sda3_crypt UUID=9433e171-4bea-47e2-b82b-84f2e80657bd none luks |
| 16:22.54 | TMS | JyZyXEL: are you thinking of "mdadm -A --force /dev/md0"? this returns "mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0" |
| 16:23.01 | bintut | the output of my command "/etc/crypttab" |
| 16:23.15 | bintut | cat /etc/crypttab i mean |
| 16:23.54 | JyZyXEL | bintut: well then you should be able to start sda2_crypt using the init.d script |
| 16:23.58 | bintut | and i actually setup the encrypted partition during net install |
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| 16:24.30 | JyZyXEL | TMS: maybe if you give the device names after /dev/md0? |
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| 16:24.52 | bintut | JyZyXEL: # /etc/init.d/cryptdisks start |
| 16:24.52 | bintut | Starting remaining crypto disks...sda2_crypt (skipped, device /dev/disk/by-uuid/125e990d-ec61-40c5-89bc-88bd50a9d763 does not exist)...sda3_crypt (running)...done. |
| 16:25.15 | bintut | why is it doesn't exist? :( |
| 16:25.17 | TMS | JyZyXEL: " mdadm -A --force /dev/md0 /dev/sd[a-h]1" returns "mdadm: forcing event count in /dev/sdg1(7) from 1301546 upto 1301550" and "Segmentation fault" |
| 16:25.37 | JyZyXEL | bintut: does blkid say it exists? |
| 16:26.02 | bintut | JyZyXEL: that's the output only |
| 16:26.19 | JyZyXEL | TMS: oh well that would be a bug |
| 16:27.11 | JyZyXEL | bintut: huh? |
| 16:27.21 | bintut | anyway, i have to go for now... it's past midnight here.. thanks.. ;) |
| 16:28.02 | bintut | waves |
| 16:28.05 | bintut | thanks JyZyXEL |
| 16:28.21 | TMS | JyZyXEL: ok, thanks. I guess there's not much I can do then |
| 16:28.41 | JyZyXEL | TMS: well i guess you could boot to a livecd with newer mdadm |
| 16:28.48 | JyZyXEL | and try repair the array there |
| 16:29.55 | TMS | JyZyXEL: good idea. I guess I could also test if it's 64bit specific |
| 16:30.06 | JyZyXEL | also you should check if that command is the correct way to handle your situation at #linux-raid |
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| 16:43.54 | Bennit | Hello |
| 16:44.13 | Bennit | when using ftpasswd to create virtual users for proftp |
| 16:44.23 | Bennit | it requires to fill in a uid parameter |
| 16:44.35 | Bennit | what should I choose for this, just any non-taken will do? |
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| 16:44.41 | Bennit | don't find much info on it |
| 16:45.16 | Bennit | it's not even in the manpage of my ftpasswd, while it is in some manpage online and while running ftpasswd with some args tells me I need it |
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| 16:45.32 | wathek | hello all |
| 16:45.36 | wathek | is it possible to set a destination dir when using the cpio to extract files from an archive ? |
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| 16:45.58 | plastun | hello! I have installed new kernel and my md0 device (software raid) dissapeared. Why? |
| 16:46.03 | Bennit | meh turns out the line is in my manpage, still doesn't tell much about what to choose for uid |
| 16:46.33 | jez9999 | OK i'm having some weirdness with mount. it says it has mounted /dev/sdb1 twice, but each of those 2 locations give me the contents of a different partition. why would it say it has mounted the same device twice? |
| 16:47.07 | bartm | jez9999: output of "mount" ? |
| 16:48.03 | jez9999 | http://paste.debian.net/79449/ |
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| 16:52.23 | jez9999 | ideas? |
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| 16:54.57 | Bennit | hmm when Itry to connect to my debian proftpd from in ubuntu it says 'unexpected end of stream' |
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| 16:56.48 | karuru | I've installed debian testing minimal without a xserver and connected the pc with a dvi->vga adapter to a 19" 4:3 TFT, and i cant see the last 4 or 5 lines of the bash |
| 16:57.16 | Fawkes | last = top, or bottom? |
| 16:57.19 | karuru | bottom |
| 16:57.29 | Fawkes | I can imagine that makes things a little tricky. |
| 16:57.34 | karuru | oh yes ;) |
| 16:57.44 | karuru | how can i solve this :/? |
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| 16:58.03 | Fawkes | Are you using a framebuffer console mode, or plain text only? |
| 16:58.26 | karuru | i don't know, i just started the system after the installation |
| 16:58.31 | karuru | i didn't change anything |
| 16:58.32 | leafwiz | Hey, I have a laptop without a cdrom, but I would like to try out a livecd. is it possible to boot a livecd through grub? I have been looking at smart bootmanager but it seemed a bit old |
| 16:58.53 | vot | stick the cd image on a usb |
| 16:58.57 | vot | and boot that |
| 16:59.37 | leafwiz | I have an old thinkpad x11, and it is a bit picky on the usbsticks. Aka it won't boot with those I have. |
| 16:59.38 | Fawkes | karuru: For starters - are there any adjustments you can make on the monitor? |
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| 16:59.56 | karuru | i've already thried the auto adjust |
| 16:59.59 | karuru | wait |
| 17:00.22 | nevyn | karuru: use clear a lot :) |
| 17:00.27 | Fawkes | Haha |
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| 17:01.34 | karuru | nevyn: not the best solution |
| 17:02.00 | jez9999 | i'm having some weirdness with mount. it says it has mounted /dev/sdb1 twice, but each of those 2 locations give me the contents of a different partition. why would it say it has mounted the same device twice? |
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| 17:02.07 | karuru | Fawkes: okay now it works i've adjusted the monitor a bit |
| 17:02.14 | karuru | but it's just a workaround :/ |
| 17:02.15 | karuru | triky |
| 17:02.38 | karuru | how can i set the resolution? |
| 17:02.53 | Fawkes | You can set up the console framebuffer. |
| 17:03.02 | Fawkes | Which ... I forget how you do. |
| 17:03.53 | Fawkes | But here's a (pretty old) guide on it:http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/change-video-mode-on-console-245250/ |
| 17:04.06 | karuru | i will give it a try |
| 17:04.07 | karuru | thanks |
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| 17:11.41 | jez9999 | how can i get a summary of disk devices and partitions on them? |
| 17:12.09 | JyZyXEL | jez9999: cat /proc/partitions |
| 17:12.11 | fxiny | fdisk -l |
| 17:12.44 | jez9999 | cheers |
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| 17:13.24 | titraxx | hi |
| 17:13.51 | titraxx | I have installed cowsay |
| 17:14.05 | titraxx | but it doesn't work :( |
| 17:14.14 | titraxx | I am on Debian sid |
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| 17:14.53 | abrotman | what does it do? |
| 17:14.58 | PinkFreud | titraxx: perhaps a description of the problem might help? |
| 17:15.19 | PinkFreud | abrotman: that should be obvious - it doesn't work. :P |
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| 17:15.31 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 17:15.31 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 17:15.41 | titraxx | cowsay is not recognize |
| 17:15.48 | fxiny | abrotman: ask what does it moo next |
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| 17:16.47 | titraxx | the command "cowsay" doesn't work and there is no cowsay in /usr/bin |
| 17:16.58 | PinkFreud | titraxx: perhaps that package doesn't have a cowsay executable? dpkg -L cowsay will show you files contained in the package |
| 17:17.23 | PinkFreud | you could also try reading any documentation it has installed at /usr/share/doc/cowsay |
| 17:17.46 | titraxx | I tried man cowsay |
| 17:17.52 | titraxx | but nothing |
| 17:18.10 | PinkFreud | titraxx: if cowsay doesn't exist, man cowsay likely won't give you anything useful |
| 17:18.11 | fxiny | dutchfish: samba or tango is pretty the same ;) |
| 17:18.13 | simonrvn | did you even install it? |
| 17:18.18 | PinkFreud | try the two steps I recommended |
| 17:18.39 | titraxx | yes with apt-get install |
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| 17:19.09 | plastun | why after system reboot /dev/md0 dissapears? |
| 17:19.17 | titraxx | ok, thanks to dpkg -L i found cowsay in /usr/game |
| 17:19.49 | PinkFreud | there you go. |
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| 17:19.49 | abrotman | should be in your path though |
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| 17:20.39 | titraxx | hum, what can I do for command "cowsay" work ? |
| 17:21.27 | abrotman | /usr/games/ should be in your path |
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| 17:26.03 | titraxx | thanks for your help |
| 17:26.25 | titraxx | now my cow can speak, youhou ! |
| 17:26.34 | titraxx | my life changed |
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| 17:28.38 | titraxx | bye :) |
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| 17:34.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions hedgewars |
| 17:34.23 | judd | hedgewars -- sid: 0.9.13-1; squeeze: 0.9.13-1 |
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| 17:40.51 | mi||ipede | Hello |
| 17:42.34 | mi||ipede | Please help; I'm at wit's end... CANNOT install most gnome applets to panel, keep getting OAFIID errors. I've just re-installed everything from xserver up. still NFG :( |
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| 17:43.00 | mi||ipede | \-and removed every .gnome* in home directory |
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| 17:48.13 | jhutchins_lt | mi||ipede: Which release are you struggling with? |
| 17:51.11 | karuru | where do i have to write the vga=793 kernel option in the "10_linux" configuration file of grub? |
| 17:51.43 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:53.19 | Vorbote | karuru: not there. in /etc/default/grub. In one of the GRUB_CMDLINE variables. Run update-grub afterwards. |
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| 17:56.07 | tuv | anything interesting in debconf10 for end users? |
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| 17:56.34 | abrotman | tuv: maybe ask #debconf on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:56.41 | tuv | it's a ~6 hour drive from here. still debating whether i should go |
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| 17:57.53 | abrotman | you can ask them and see what they say .. probably a lot of people going |
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| 18:03.02 | tsccof | may I ask a Linux related question that is not necessarily related to Debian? |
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| 18:05.03 | jhutchins_lt | tsccof: Yes. |
| 18:05.07 | jhutchins_lt | tsccof: You can always ask. |
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| 18:05.21 | jhutchins_lt | tsccof: If it's ubuntu support, we will then taunt and ridicule you, but you can ask. |
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| 18:06.57 | tsccof | thank you |
| 18:07.20 | tsccof | what would you think of a source based unix with repositories, but does not handle dependencies automatically? |
| 18:07.37 | jhutchins_lt | LFS? |
| 18:07.54 | dv- | LFS is pain |
| 18:07.57 | jhutchins_lt | I've had more trouble with dependencies trying to compile source than I ever had with rpm's. |
| 18:08.18 | tsccof | no no, I am building a system for personal use, but a friend wants it to be easier to use |
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| 18:08.32 | jhutchins_lt | tsccof: I think it would be kindof pointless since there are so many good dependency managers available. |
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| 18:08.49 | jhutchins_lt | tsccof: Gentoo. |
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| 18:11.29 | tsccof | true |
| 18:11.38 | tsccof | pity their circular dependencies suck |
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| 18:12.52 | phizz | I'm having a weird problem with Iceweasel.. when I search for something on google, then on the results page I type in a new search and click search, the page doesn't update.. also, I can't click to go to the next page of results at the bottom, it just sits there and doesn't load. Google is the only site this happens on. any ideas? |
| 18:14.24 | tsccof | thanks jhutchins_lt |
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| 18:29.58 | k\t | is there a site that has all the _wget's_ for the debian-mirrors gpgkeys |
| 18:29.59 | plastun | hello! how to add program to init.d? |
| 18:30.27 | k\t | update-rc.d |
| 18:31.03 | plastun | thanks |
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| 18:31.17 | k\t | mhm |
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| 18:43.00 | jhutchins_lt | phizz: versions please. |
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| 18:45.57 | phizz | jhutchins_lt: Iceweasel 3.5.10 / debian squeeze |
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| 18:47.15 | phizz | actually, Iceweasel 3.5.10-1 to be exact |
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| 19:08.47 | jhutchins_lt | phizz: Sorry, I run lenny and haven't heard of anyone else having problems with the new firefox. That is why they call it testing though. |
| 19:09.48 | phizz | jhutchins_lt: no problem. I'll just use chrome until I can find a fix. |
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| 19:15.01 | freeone3000 | I'm attempting to build VirtualBox guest extensions on a Debian machine whose `uname -r` reads "2.6.32-trunk-686". However, a linux-headers-`uname -r` doesn't exist. The closest is 2.6.32-5-686, which I've installed. According to dpkg, the corresponding linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is installed, which I'm guessing is -trunk-. |
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| 19:15.51 | freeone3000 | The error I get on modprobe vboxguest is that it "disagrees about version of symbol module_layout", which I take to mean kernel and header version differ. What package should I install to get the headers for my current kernel? |
| 19:16.22 | Fawkes | freeone3000: You may already have the correct kernel installed - just not booted. Do you see 2.6.32050686 in /boot? |
| 19:16.36 | tharkun | freeone3000: install the kernel according to your headers. It will save you a lot of trouble. BTW that should be testing wich i am no t using yet |
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| 19:17.09 | Fawkes | 2.6.32-5-686, even |
| 19:17.25 | freeone3000 | Fawkes: Yes... Hm. It appears that they've released a kernel without headers. Advice understood. Rebooting with the proper kernel, thanks all. |
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| 19:22.33 | jhutchins_lt | freeone3000: iirc trunk has been discontinued. |
| 19:22.38 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:22.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:22.57 | Fawkes | Yeah. That bit me in the ass a couple of weeks ago. |
| 19:23.14 | jhutchins_lt | Gotta love the bleeding edge. |
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| 19:40.25 | bombba | hey, some time ago i've read about a feature which somehow allows it to go through all the debian installation setting before actually installing the new system, so that the installation process will not be interrupted by all theses questions (setting local time zone, which packages to ad, setting password etc.), but i can't remember how this can be done (tweaking the iso before burning to cd? pressing special keys during installation process?), |
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| 20:02.14 | qq- | bombba, /msg dpkg preseed ? |
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| 20:04.18 | bombba | qq thx |
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| 20:13.28 | lilib | how can i set NIC to work in full speed mode? |
| 20:13.40 | lilib | duplex gigabit |
| 20:13.42 | ABLomas | mii-tool .. ? |
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| 20:20.55 | aleray | hi, is it possible to remap |
| 20:21.22 | aleray | to remap a lambda key and make it mod4, using xmomap (or other solution) |
| 20:21.23 | aleray | ? |
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| 20:38.33 | Archiloque | Hi, I'm trying to install debian in virtualbox on mac os, and the packet managment tool configuraiton failed, how can I see an erro rmessage exlpaining why it failed ? |
| 20:38.51 | Archiloque | ew, sorry for bad typing |
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| 20:40.13 | dapeamel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.58 | Vroomfondle | dapeamel: you mean a dock? I believe Gnome-Do has one of those in it these days (but I haven't tried it myself) |
| 20:42.15 | dapeamel | but I cant use gnome.. |
| 20:42.21 | dapeamel | im using fluxbox.. |
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| 20:42.35 | Vroomfondle | Oh. Dunno then, sorry. |
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| 20:43.52 | dapeamel | I finded out |
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| 20:55.02 | sveajobb | ....these 4 days have been living hell for me |
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| 20:55.18 | sveajobb | WHY did everything on etchy automatically break before they ditched it on the mirrors? |
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| 20:56.36 | sveajobb | first 1 server died... completely; doesnt respond to ping, then all ssh (clients) on my servers died.. I followed the guide and updated to lenny. Yay, everything worked. Kinda. courier imap-ssl stopped working. did some trixing and got it working. |
| 20:56.50 | sveajobb | NOW 2 days later everything related to ssh/ssl stopped working |
| 20:57.23 | sveajobb | I cannot even ssh to the machine and fix it. and for some reason I cannot even fetch mail via ssl, long live unencrypted mail transfers. |
| 20:57.34 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: No troubles here, no flood of problems in the channels. |
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| 20:57.59 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: just flood problems. ;-) |
| 20:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | I've upgraded a couple of servers from etch to lenny without having much trouble. |
| 20:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: All I can guess is that you had an early, possibly non-standard etch ssh configuration, and it didn't upgrade well for some reason. |
| 20:59.39 | sveajobb | jhutchins_lt, well I got all of your problems I guess. I think there are some automatic updates that really destroys everything, seeing the services stopped 2 days after I last touched the server. does anyone know what possibly could be going on? |
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| 21:00.00 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: Disk space? |
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| 21:00.22 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: filesystem corruption? |
| 21:00.27 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: hacked? |
| 21:00.30 | sveajobb | jhutchins_lt, yes, that seems fair. but why did it only catch on 2 days later? (ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host). Could it be disk space? I had alot of free disk space 2 days ago atleast |
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| 21:00.58 | sveajobb | jhutchins_lt, I have Denyhosts installed aswell, maybe some crazy bug? |
| 21:01.33 | jhutchins_lt | That could be. Could you have a partition that's full? |
| 21:01.53 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: Yes, I would suspect denyhosts, but only because I'm unfamiliar with it, and it's purpose is to lock you out. |
| 21:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: Could your local IP have changed? |
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| 21:03.27 | jhutchins_lt | Figuring out which end the problem is on is the first step I guess. |
| 21:03.35 | sveajobb | jhutchins_lt, I wouldn't swear on it, but I doubt any partition is full. Denyhosts scans logfiles and locks out ssh-login attempts (after 2 fails). It puts entries to /etc/hosts.deny and purges them after a given interval. it has never locked ALL OF INTERNET before as it has now, just try ssh adoperator.com |
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| 21:03.48 | jhutchins_lt | If it's still handling mail ok, it's not a system failure like a disk problem. |
| 21:04.05 | sveajobb | jhutchins_lt, no exactly, the entire system is up and running like a charm |
| 21:06.23 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: password or certificate login? |
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| 21:07.06 | sveajobb | jhutchins_lt, ok, that is not quite true. I just noticed the SMTP is down..... imap is up. I guess the smtp checks hosts.deny aswell.. *sigh* my company cannot retrieve mail |
| 21:07.11 | Fawkes | sveajobb: Have you tried running "/usr/sin/sshd -t" to test the configuration/ environment? |
| 21:07.18 | sveajobb | jhutchins_lt, password login |
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| 21:07.30 | Fawkes | sin -> sbin |
| 21:07.46 | jhutchins_lt | It almost sounds like an encryption mismatch. |
| 21:07.54 | sveajobb | Fawkes, I have not, and I would try if I could access the machine :\ I seriously have to get remote console |
| 21:08.17 | Fawkes | Do you have VNC or similar installed? |
| 21:08.20 | jhutchins_lt | sveajobb: I think you can run that from your end and see what it does. |
| 21:08.46 | Fawkes | I've heard of permissions problems in /var causing sshd malfunctions. |
| 21:10.03 | sveajobb | Fawkes, no, no vnc or anything similar installed, or atleast not running |
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| 21:10.50 | Fawkes | Hmm. Looks like you're going to need access to the console then. ... or to find a security vulnerability in a service you can access. |
| 21:11.58 | sveajobb | looks like I have to get physical access tomorrow then ... this is the worst vacation ever |
| 21:12.06 | sveajobb | well thanks for your help anyways |
| 21:12.18 | Fawkes | I don't suppose there's anyone on site you can call, is there? |
| 21:12.27 | civpro | !versions |
| 21:12.32 | civpro | err whats the command |
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| 21:12.44 | jhutchins_lt | civpro: What package? |
| 21:13.01 | civpro | debian |
| 21:13.07 | sveajobb | Fawkes, no, I'm the only one with access to the computer :\ + it's 23:12 over here. I'll just pretend I noticed everything stopped working tomorrow |
| 21:13.09 | civpro | having issues with nfs-server working |
| 21:13.18 | civpro | trying to find the correct version |
| 21:13.29 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nfs-server |
| 21:13.30 | aleray | hi, is it possible to remap |
| 21:13.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nfs-server' was found. |
| 21:13.32 | aleray | to remap a lambda key and make it mod4, using xmomap (or other solution) |
| 21:13.42 | civpro | err, 1 sec |
| 21:14.09 | civpro | ,versions vns-kernel-server |
| 21:14.12 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'vns-kernel-server' was found. |
| 21:14.16 | civpro | ,versions nfs-kernel-server |
| 21:14.17 | judd | nfs-kernel-server -- etch: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1; lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.2.2-1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-1 |
| 21:14.24 | civpro | ,versions nfs-kernel-common |
| 21:14.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nfs-kernel-common' was found. |
| 21:14.30 | civpro | ,versions nfs-common |
| 21:14.31 | judd | nfs-common -- etch: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1; lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.2.2-1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-1 |
| 21:14.49 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Why don't you try it? I don't have a lambda key. |
| 21:14.55 | civpro | sweet man |
| 21:15.01 | civpro | didnt know u could do that |
| 21:15.21 | Fawkes | Lambda key? Is that a Half-Life special edition keyboard? |
| 21:15.21 | aleray | jhutchins_lt, btw my keyboard is fixed :-) I think some key was stuck at boot |
| 21:16.38 | aleray | Fawkes, I mean a key that is not a modifier, like the one I have on the top left corner of my keyboard, that produces ² and ³ |
| 21:17.22 | Fawkes | Ah |
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| 21:19.52 | rusha | ,versions nfs-kernel-common |
| 21:19.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nfs-kernel-common' was found. |
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| 21:20.23 | rusha | ,versions nfs-server-common |
| 21:20.24 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nfs-server-common' was found. |
| 21:20.29 | civpro | ,versions nfs-kernel-common |
| 21:20.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nfs-kernel-common' was found. |
| 21:20.34 | civpro | wtf |
| 21:20.37 | qq- | ,versions nfs-common |
| 21:20.38 | judd | nfs-common -- etch: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1; lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.2.2-1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-1 |
| 21:20.39 | civpro | it just worked |
| 21:20.57 | civpro | ,versions nfs-kernel-server |
| 21:20.59 | judd | nfs-kernel-server -- etch: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1; lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.2.2-1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-1 |
| 21:21.02 | civpro | lol |
| 21:21.08 | civpro | ,versions nfs-common |
| 21:21.09 | judd | nfs-common -- etch: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1; lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.2.2-1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-1 |
| 21:21.11 | civpro | there we go |
| 21:21.14 | rusha | thanks |
| 21:21.15 | civpro | 2 different ones |
| 21:21.18 | civpro | was combined |
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| 21:29.01 | FooMunki | Hey guys ive just installed an application from source and wanted to know why i can run the application with the command: $path/to/binary/file but not $file |
| 21:29.26 | Fawkes | Because the path to binary is not in your PATH variable? |
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| 21:29.53 | FooMunki | How would i go about adding it to the PATH Variable? |
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| 21:30.59 | qq- | better put /binary/file in your /home/ |
| 21:31.03 | Fawkes | Temporarily, for you current terminal session: export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/binary (but don't include the binary itself, of course) |
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| 21:31.23 | Fawkes | Permenantly: add it to a profile script (either global or login) |
| 21:33.53 | FooMunki | is it bad practice to copy the binary to one of the locations searched for in the default $PATHS folders? |
| 21:34.08 | FooMunki | the binary is nginx server |
| 21:34.11 | FooMunki | on a vps |
| 21:34.40 | Fawkes | Why not just install the package? |
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| 21:34.55 | FooMunki | using apt? |
| 21:34.58 | Fawkes | Yeah |
| 21:35.08 | FooMunki | i think it installs an old version |
| 21:35.38 | FooMunki | im upgrading from one i installed using apt |
| 21:35.54 | linduxed | i've hooked up my laptop to my TV through HDMI |
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| 21:36.05 | linduxed | but i cant seem to get sound working |
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| 21:36.10 | FooMunki | all the paths point to usr/sbin/nginx |
| 21:36.16 | linduxed | piped through the cable that is |
| 21:36.25 | linduxed | i just tried hd-mplayer ~/video/thevideo.mkv -ao alsa:device=hw=0.3 and that gives no results |
| 21:36.46 | Fawkes | Ah |
| 21:36.55 | linduxed | hd-mplayer is just an alias that changes the -vo |
| 21:37.02 | Fawkes | FooMunki: Are you running as a regular user, or root? |
| 21:37.28 | fanderal | just installed minimal squeeze (netinstal) with xorg and fluxbox. All works except pseudotransparency... suggestions on where to look to troubleshoot? |
| 21:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | !tell FooMunki about ssb |
| 21:37.37 | FooMunki | Fawkes: is there a way to find out the version that will be installed if i was to used the apt-get to install nginx again. Im running as a regualar user but have root access also |
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| 21:37.58 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nginx |
| 21:37.59 | judd | nginx -- etch: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.65-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.67-1; squeeze: 0.7.67-1 |
| 21:38.04 | Fawkes | FooMunki: By default, regular users don't have */sbin directories in their path. |
| 21:38.19 | Fawkes | FooMunki: If you run it as root, it should work as you expect |
| 21:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: You shouldn't run it as a regular user, a proper installation should set it to run as a daemon. |
| 21:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | I suspect that there are some INSTALL and README files you should have read. |
| 21:39.45 | FooMunki | usually run it using sudo command |
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| 21:41.03 | FooMunki | ive been following tutorials - but they make you lazy. Im just going through and manually installing everything to upgrade it. Filling in the wholes in my learning |
| 21:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: Very bad idea. |
| 21:41.32 | Fawkes | READMEs contain important package-local instructions. :) |
| 21:42.00 | jhutchins_lt | Moving files around will probably break things. |
| 21:42.01 | FooMunki | no other choice tho at the time - i was under the clock. |
| 21:42.18 | FooMunki | i uninstalled it with apt-get remove |
| 21:42.35 | FooMunki | then compiled nginx from source |
| 21:42.37 | FooMunki | and installed |
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| 21:43.09 | FooMunki | but the old init script refers to the old install and the nginx command no longer works |
| 21:43.23 | FooMunki | just says -sh: nginx: not found |
| 21:43.36 | Fawkes | Are you running the init script as a regular user? |
| 21:43.42 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: You have successfully broken your system. |
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| 21:44.12 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: Having different parts of different packages - one Debian, one raw source - will pretty much ensure breakage. |
| 21:44.15 | FooMunki | broken? how? |
| 21:44.24 | FooMunki | ohh |
| 21:44.36 | Fawkes | FooMunki: Are you testing the init script as a regular user? |
| 21:44.37 | peterrooney | FooMunki: libs, paths |
| 21:44.40 | FooMunki | its better to use all one or all the other? |
| 21:44.43 | jhutchins_lt | See the query from dpkg about ssb. |
| 21:45.07 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: Best to build a .deb package and install that. |
| 21:45.22 | FooMunki | but then you get waaay old binarys |
| 21:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: Again, read the message from dpkg. |
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| 21:45.44 | qq- | FooMunki, use aptitude purge |
| 21:46.02 | Fawkes | FooMunki: Have you considered switching to a different distribution: e.g. Testing, or Unstable? |
| 21:46.21 | jhutchins_lt | Fawkes: Not a good idea for a server. |
| 21:46.36 | Fawkes | Worse than mixing and matching source + binaries? |
| 21:46.37 | jhutchins_lt | Fawkes: Backports and rebuilds are much better. |
| 21:46.43 | jhutchins_lt | Fawkes: Yes. |
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| 21:46.57 | Fawkes | Fair enough. I should probably stop doing that at work then. |
| 21:47.22 | FooMunki | opps |
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| 21:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: No, you get thoroughly debugged binaries, and you can follow the procedures to update things beyond sid/unstable. |
| 21:47.59 | FooMunki | its just that it was my first vps and i was rushing. Some binaries are hard to install :-) |
| 21:49.05 | FooMunki | nah havent concidered using testing or unstable |
| 21:49.24 | FooMunki | the think is with those aren't they bad for servers |
| 21:49.39 | Fawkes | Apparently so. |
| 21:49.43 | syslq1 | FooMunki: yes, dont go near that on server |
| 21:50.03 | bkraptor | ,versions icedove |
| 21:50.04 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; sid: 3.0.5-1; squeeze: 3.0.5-1 |
| 21:50.06 | bkraptor | ,versions iceweasel |
| 21:50.07 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
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| 21:50.52 | FooMunki | versions nginx |
| 21:51.03 | qq- | bkraptor, /msg dpkg selftell |
| 21:51.10 | Fawkes | .versions nginx |
| 21:51.26 | FooMunki | just wonderring if judd was a bot |
| 21:51.30 | qq- | , versions nginx |
| 21:51.31 | Fawkes | ,versions nginx |
| 21:51.31 | judd | nginx -- etch: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.65-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.67-1; squeeze: 0.7.67-1 |
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| 21:51.54 | FooMunki | thought judd tells you the latest versions of whatever swares on each debian release |
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| 21:54.42 | FooMunki | am i right |
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| 21:55.01 | Fawkes | He probably does more. I'm not particularly familiar with him. |
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| 21:59.06 | lost_soul | Odd question no doubt, but is anyone familiar with an application that can view XUL files without all the syntax and such that is seen when you use a text editor to open it? |
| 21:59.40 | Fawkes | Like a XUL IDE or something? |
| 21:59.55 | smhar | what is the best way to syn the data between debian squeeze and Nokia N900? |
| 22:00.31 | lost_soul | Fawkes: possibly, basically I went to firefox's about:config... saved it so I can check compare against another systems firefox settings |
| 22:00.48 | lost_soul | saved in XUL format, only choice |
| 22:01.11 | Fawkes | I thought the contents of about:config were a javascript file in the user's directory. |
| 22:01.42 | FooMunki | jhutchinx_it: Wow this backports stuff sound like what i should be looking for |
| 22:01.47 | FooMunki | thanks |
| 22:01.59 | FooMunki | lemmie checkit out one sec |
| 22:02.10 | Fawkes | lost_soul: prefs.js |
| 22:02.27 | lost_soul | Fawkes: ty, will look now.. appreciate your suggestion |
| 22:02.45 | jhutchins | !backports |
| 22:02.45 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:03.03 | jhutchins | dooglus: be sure to read the directionson the web page. |
| 22:03.16 | jhutchins | dooglus: I have no idea how I got your nic. |
| 22:03.21 | jhutchins | FooMunki: See above. |
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| 22:04.11 | FooMunki | I just read that they aren't taking any new backport submissions |
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| 22:05.08 | lost_soul | Fawkes: thats better as far as viewing. But only contains a fraction of what about:config does unfortunately |
| 22:05.23 | FooMunki | Which is better all from source or all from package? |
| 22:05.38 | Fawkes | Could the stuff not in prefs.js simply be the defaults? |
| 22:06.22 | FooMunki | are you talking about the about:config in firefox |
| 22:06.29 | Fawkes | Yeah. |
| 22:06.37 | lost_soul | Fawkes: probabily, I'm going to backup the folder contents and see what else I can find. I would imagine the defaults are kept also in a javascript |
| 22:06.45 | Fawkes | I'm pretty sure all the non-bold lines are config options at their default values. |
| 22:07.07 | lost_soul | Fawkes: yea, and most are indeed default |
| 22:07.28 | FooMunki | i tweaked some browser settings a few days ago |
| 22:07.52 | FooMunki | to add more threads to the browswer for downloading page elements |
| 22:08.07 | FooMunki | its turned off by default but you can turn it on from that page |
| 22:08.14 | FooMunki | my browser flies now |
| 22:08.24 | FooMunki | one sec ill find the link |
| 22:08.27 | Fawkes | So does mine: Google Chrome :) |
| 22:08.36 | lost_soul | FooMunki: for whatever reason, I'm having a problem with certain sites resetting... Seems to be a quite widely known issue |
| 22:08.51 | lost_soul | The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. |
| 22:09.19 | lost_soul | is the error I get when attempting to go to a few sites, if I refresh many times it will eventually work |
| 22:09.20 | Fawkes | lost_soul: I've seen that on Windows versions too. A friend of mine says that they can't access eBay using firefox anymore because of it. |
| 22:09.38 | FooMunki | http://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/15-coolest-firefox-tricks-ever.html |
| 22:09.39 | FooMunki | nah |
| 22:09.45 | lost_soul | Fawkes: yea, it's annoying. I would love to rectify it |
| 22:09.58 | FooMunki | this doesnt change anything about how your page accesses the internet |
| 22:10.03 | lost_soul | FooMunki: ty for the link |
| 22:10.10 | Fawkes | I got fed up of Firefox eventually and moved wholesale to Chrome. |
| 22:10.12 | FooMunki | plus its easy to turn off |
| 22:10.30 | Fawkes | Now I just use FF to test compatibility with web applications I create. |
| 22:10.57 | FooMunki | lol - like chrome but soo much missing compared to the pluggins i have on ffox |
| 22:11.02 | FooMunki | i cant turn back now |
| 22:11.12 | lost_soul | yea, chrome is a nice browser |
| 22:11.14 | Shadowcat | I like the fact that Google is making a linux based os |
| 22:11.23 | Shadowcat | because they actually have enough clout to make it all work |
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| 22:11.33 | FooMunki | love the alexa toolbar also for noseying on how popular a website is |
| 22:11.35 | Shadowcat | what I don't like is the fact that they insist on running everything as a web service |
| 22:11.36 | Fawkes | Shadowcat: Two, so far. Android, and ChromeOS |
| 22:11.44 | FooMunki | and it works effortlessly in ff |
| 22:11.51 | Shadowcat | Fawkes: I'm pretty sure those two share quite a bit of code |
| 22:11.59 | Fawkes | Really? |
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| 22:12.19 | FooMunki | both made from mozilla base |
| 22:12.31 | FooMunki | same browser pretty much |
| 22:12.39 | Fawkes | What? Chrome is? |
| 22:12.42 | FooMunki | yeah |
| 22:12.45 | Fawkes | Wrong |
| 22:12.53 | Shadowcat | most of the core os code can be reused if they compartmentalize properly |
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| 22:12.58 | Fawkes | Chrome is based on Safari, which, in turn, is based on KHTML. |
| 22:13.18 | Fawkes | Aka "WebKit" |
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| 22:13.28 | Shadowcat | I still love the fact that Safari insists on opening a new window instead of a tab by default |
| 22:13.43 | Shadowcat | Mac OS X is a bit too dumbed down in that respect |
| 22:13.52 | Fawkes | Looks like Alexa toolbar is available for Chrome now. |
| 22:14.04 | qq- | !ot |
| 22:14.04 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 22:14.21 | Fawkes | qq-: Sorry. |
| 22:15.01 | lost_soul | qq: sorry.. I started the conversation |
| 22:15.28 | liable | ok, lets watch parts and joins now ;) |
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| 22:15.48 | Shadowcat | liable: can we use bots? |
| 22:16.03 | liable | not you! |
| 22:16.08 | Shadowcat | :( |
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| 22:17.43 | rackandboneman | Shadowcat: my irony detector is rusty, i wanted to jump in your face about the tab/window thing for 1.5 seconds ;) |
| 22:17.53 | FooMunki | thanks fawkes |
| 22:18.03 | FooMunki | just installed alexa on chrome |
| 22:18.09 | Fawkes | Ah. Cool. |
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| 22:18.32 | rackandboneman | ahh, now nickserv only (sigh....) ... was invite only some minutes ago... |
| 22:18.42 | Shadowcat | I used to use Opera back in the day because it was the only browser that let you keep tabs vertically |
| 22:18.47 | rackandboneman | sry wrong window |
| 22:18.58 | Shadowcat | I open up around 20 tabs to API windows and use it as a reference |
| 22:19.16 | Fawkes | time to sleep |
| 22:19.17 | zebradog | Shadowcat, 20 viral tabs |
| 22:19.18 | Fawkes | TTFN |
| 22:19.32 | Shadowcat | and 10 years later Tree Style Tab still doesn't manage to get it right |
| 22:19.45 | Shadowcat | zebradog: more like 10 look ups to different classes in the same class library |
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| 22:25.03 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: Building a system from source is pretty hard core - see Linux from Scratch (LFS). |
| 22:25.36 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: You loose the whole value of a distribution - testing, patching, coordinating packages and libraries, and package management. |
| 22:26.23 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: I've found it very easy to work with the "old" packages in Debian Stable, even on fairly new hardware, but I don't game or anything cutting edge. |
| 22:26.24 | syslq1 | jhutchins_lt: yeah but he gains valuable experience |
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| 22:28.00 | jhutchins_lt | syslq1: True, and building an lfs system is a good way to understand linux, but developers use different file tree models (in spite of lsb), and it can be hard to sort out competing schemes. |
| 22:28.39 | syslq1 | jhutchins_lt: mhm, I always wanted to do it but never had a time :) |
| 22:29.08 | rackandboneman | at some time you reach a point where you professionally do debian boxes and, when it comes to private boxes, cannot be bothered to use something more involved to setup than windows or ubuntu ;) |
| 22:29.09 | jhutchins_lt | I never had the time and the spare hardware together. |
| 22:29.23 | jhutchins_lt | I did manage some Gentoo systems long enough that I won't be going back that way again. |
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| 22:30.15 | syslq1 | Well I have debian testing setup and it only took me 2 hours |
| 22:30.21 | syslq1 | debian is quite pragmatical too |
| 22:30.54 | FooMunki | when you say install deb from source do you mean installing it from command line and adding xwindows etc and gnome |
| 22:31.09 | syslq1 | Ubuntu is fantastic windows replacement, it just works |
| 22:31.27 | jhutchins_lt | FooMunki: Installing from source means installing from uncompiled source tarballs instead of using debian packages. |
| 22:31.27 | syslq1 | FooMunki: I think they mean building deb from source |
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| 22:31.59 | FooMunki | wow |
| 22:32.11 | FooMunki | sounds nuts |
| 22:32.21 | rackandboneman | syslq1, it either does or fails catastrophically ;) |
| 22:32.43 | rackandboneman | in a manner complex enough that you rather use a core debian than try to fix it |
| 22:32.56 | jhutchins_lt | syslq1: I like Deb for my desktops. I had a kubuntu one at the office for a while but went Debian when I dropped Mandriva. |
| 22:33.03 | syslq1 | I heard that |
| 22:33.18 | jhutchins_lt | Off to feed the horses, later. |
| 22:33.26 | FooMunki | lol |
| 22:33.27 | syslq1 | But it has not failed on any setups I did, I migrated to debians since it seems right |
| 22:33.30 | FooMunki | are you serious? |
| 22:33.56 | FooMunki | (horses) |
| 22:34.26 | FooMunki | my servers ubuntu |
| 22:35.03 | syslq1 | debian is quite forginving alos, I messed a lot with upgrading from stable to testing and I seem to manage fixing broken stuff |
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| 22:35.27 | zebradog | syslq1, and use reportbug too |
| 22:35.41 | rackandboneman | opposite here... core debian for servers, ubu for desktop |
| 22:38.36 | FooMunki | if my system is broken now cos it has a mix of both source and package installed progs on it |
| 22:38.43 | FooMunki | how would i go about fixing it |
| 22:39.01 | FooMunki | or do i have to start from scratch? |
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| 22:54.13 | Kurogane | how do you update all package i have installed in my system via console? |
| 22:55.30 | rusha | first do apt-get update |
| 22:55.33 | rusha | then apt-get upgrade |
| 22:55.45 | rusha | first one updates the lists |
| 22:55.51 | rusha | and second one will install the updates |
| 22:55.53 | rusha | use |
| 22:55.54 | rusha | man apt-get |
| 22:55.56 | rusha | for more information |
| 22:56.10 | smv | Kurogane, aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 22:57.00 | smv | !tell Kurogane about- why aptitude |
| 22:57.08 | smv | !tell Kurogane about- why not aptitude |
| 22:57.48 | Kurogane | ? |
| 22:57.51 | smv | erm |
| 22:58.03 | smv | !tell Kurogane -about why aptitude |
| 22:58.09 | smv | !tell Kurogane -about why not aptitude |
| 22:58.16 | Kurogane | smv: ;) |
| 22:58.24 | smv | hides |
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| 23:01.48 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 23:02.08 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 23:02.08 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 23:02.12 | ZenWalker | can i solve it? |
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| 23:08.58 | puty | hi. I got a tightvnc and i would to like transfer files. Local to remote or remote to local. I try F8 but dosent work. any idea? |
| 23:09.15 | Tux^verdreifelt | is it enabled in your server settings? |
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| 23:10.05 | puty | yes i can connect i can do everything less transfer files |
| 23:12.11 | Tux^verdreifelt | connecting does not mean that file transfer is enabled |
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| 23:12.50 | puty | ok how can i check this? |
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| 23:15.03 | Tux^verdreifelt | hmm, not sure.. i don't have a tightvnc debian machine set up right now :/ |
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| 23:15.50 | puty | ok thanks anyway |
| 23:17.33 | puty | i will try to find something over net |
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| 23:18.27 | qq- | puty, machine A is windows, i suppose , and B debian, right ? |
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| 23:18.44 | puty | no is debian to debian |
| 23:19.08 | qq- | use samba then to share |
| 23:20.21 | puty | is not local connection |
| 23:21.45 | qq- | or sftp , scp (thru ssh) |
| 23:22.00 | simonrvn | debian to debian? nfs.. wtf use samba for? |
| 23:22.13 | puty | i could make ssh but i prefer to fix vnc |
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| 23:25.11 | bzed | puty: just use ssh. easier and probably less buggy and weird. |
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| 23:26.45 | puty | yes i know but the problem are clients (some time) |
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| 23:31.58 | syslq1 | Is there a good sources.list I could use with non free enabled? |
| 23:32.08 | syslq1 | squeeze testing |
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| 23:36.49 | lost_soul | FooMunki: remember that firefox issue I mentioned, do you experience that on your system? |
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| 23:37.40 | lost_soul | FooMunki: think I've worked it out, would like verification so I can proceed |
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| 23:59.19 | grobe0ba | i need some help getting a 6to4 tunnel working. i'm on a rather odd set-up. my i have a local network with a debian server acting as a router, which is going to an external network, which is then routed to the internet. i'm using he.net's tunnelbroker service. using the commands they give, i can set up a tunnel, but ping6 is unable to get a reply from anywhere. |
