| 00:00.01 | craigevil | syslq1: http://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist |
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| 00:16.57 | syslq1 | craigevil: thank you |
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| 00:31.52 | salman_ | is there a desktop widget for debian -preferably gnome- that will display time live from the worldtimeserver? |
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| 00:34.34 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 00:39.18 | path | whats the metapackage for kde4 on debian unstable? |
| 00:42.22 | streuner | !listkeys kde4 |
| 00:42.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kde4' by key (3): kde4 ;; kde4 videos ;; install kde4. |
| 00:42.35 | streuner | dpkg, install kde4 |
| 00:42.35 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, "kde-standard" gets you the common set up, "kde-plasma-desktop" and "kde-plasma-netbook" minimal kde4 setups with respective flavouring, and "kde-full" install everything kde4. For more details on metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html . Also read the topic in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 00:49.41 | path | thanks streuner :) |
| 00:49.49 | streuner | np |
| 00:51.04 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. Someone have trouble with the mount command without errors but dont doing nothing? |
| 00:51.16 | EduardeCalibal | I try a mount of one DVD and dont see errors. |
| 00:51.23 | EduardeCalibal | In dmesg I see it "ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A" |
| 00:53.20 | EduardeCalibal | No errors... |
| 00:54.14 | qq- | !DVD |
| 00:54.14 | dpkg | from memory, dvd is Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <xine>, <vlc> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
| 00:54.20 | liable | EduardeCalibal: so what makes you think there is something wrong? |
| 00:54.49 | EduardeCalibal | The DVD never is mounted |
| 00:54.54 | EduardeCalibal | This is the problem... |
| 00:55.06 | streuner | what kind of data? |
| 00:55.19 | EduardeCalibal | Normal data... ISO9660 I think. |
| 00:55.21 | EduardeCalibal | DVD media. |
| 00:55.23 | EduardeCalibal | DVD-R |
| 00:55.24 | EduardeCalibal | 4.3GB |
| 00:55.27 | qq- | EduardeCalibal, /msg dpkg dvd playback |
| 00:56.00 | EduardeCalibal | Data DVD... |
| 00:56.14 | streuner | dpkg, dvd playback |
| 00:56.14 | dpkg | To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need the libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 packages installed, some of which are in <debian-multimedia.org> (see <libdvdcss>). You will also need to set a region on your DVD player - if you have never done so before - using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>. |
| 00:56.25 | liable | data... |
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| 00:56.31 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, ok... |
| 00:56.46 | liable | what does 'mount' say? |
| 00:56.53 | EduardeCalibal | nothing... |
| 00:56.56 | liable | what exact mount command did you use? |
| 00:56.57 | EduardeCalibal | Only dont work. |
| 00:57.00 | streuner | EduardeCalibal: cat /proc/partitions and mount the /dev/foo then |
| 00:57.13 | EduardeCalibal | I have a /dev/sr0 |
| 00:57.17 | streuner | ok |
| 00:57.19 | EduardeCalibal | And a /media/cdrom |
| 00:57.25 | streuner | mount /ev/sr0 /folder |
| 00:57.30 | liable | its a scsi drive? |
| 00:57.31 | streuner | mount /dev/sr0 /folder |
| 00:57.35 | EduardeCalibal | And try mount with: mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom -t iso9660 |
| 00:57.49 | EduardeCalibal | Work a one day.. |
| 00:58.03 | EduardeCalibal | Stop working after update the gnome |
| 00:58.05 | EduardeCalibal | I think |
| 00:58.33 | streuner | liable: scsi-emulation, IIRC |
| 00:58.54 | streuner | gnome-mount stuff is installed? |
| 00:59.00 | EduardeCalibal | I think I have a module error, but any error give messages in /var/log/messages no?: |
| 00:59.08 | EduardeCalibal | I see only it "ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A" |
| 00:59.34 | streuner | gnome-mount is installed? |
| 00:59.43 | EduardeCalibal | I try, same, but without the message |
| 00:59.48 | streuner | EduardeCalibal: dpkg -l gnome-mount |
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| 01:00.04 | EduardeCalibal | And if I dont use gnome-umount I dont able to eject... |
| 01:00.23 | EduardeCalibal | Strange, the mount never report the mount point... |
| 01:00.38 | streuner | well, just look at the cat /proc/partitions command and use eject /dev/sr0 then |
| 01:00.46 | streuner | it sometimes help |
| 01:01.00 | EduardeCalibal | I try, report in use, but dont see in list of mount. |
| 01:01.10 | EduardeCalibal | Then I use gnome-umount and then all work. |
| 01:01.14 | EduardeCalibal | But never mount... |
| 01:01.19 | EduardeCalibal | And never show errors. |
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| 01:02.01 | EduardeCalibal | What is the module for this work? |
| 01:02.12 | t0rrentday | 10x Faster than p2p, secure, anon, movies tv music apps all free, http://www.t0rrentday.com now open for registration. |
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| 01:02.27 | EduardeCalibal | I reload udf and isofs and dont work... |
| 01:02.48 | streuner | that make the kernel auto for you |
| 01:02.58 | streuner | you dont have to do anything at all |
| 01:03.11 | qq- | EduardeCalibal, whats on that dvd , what data ? |
| 01:03.21 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.28 | EduardeCalibal | I try another media, same problem. |
| 01:03.43 | EduardeCalibal | And I mount iso without problem... |
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| 01:03.59 | streuner | EduardeCalibal: cat /proc/version |
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| 01:04.21 | EduardeCalibal | Linux version 2.6.31-14-generic (buildd@rothera) (gcc version 4.4.1 (Ubuntu 4.4.1-4ubuntu8) ) #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 |
| 01:04.28 | streuner | fuck |
| 01:04.33 | qq- | you |
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| 01:04.49 | streuner | qq-: thats what YOU said :-P |
| 01:04.56 | EduardeCalibal | Is a mixed system... |
| 01:05.03 | EduardeCalibal | Dont is a Ubuntu... |
| 01:05.04 | streuner | EduardeCalibal: #ubuntu |
| 01:05.22 | EduardeCalibal | I install from the ground... |
| 01:05.34 | streuner | mix your system, but dont ask for support here then |
| 01:05.38 | ZenWalker | xD |
| 01:05.41 | EduardeCalibal | This problem started a one or two days. |
| 01:05.46 | EduardeCalibal | 90% debian... |
| 01:05.48 | EduardeCalibal | Or more. |
| 01:06.04 | EduardeCalibal | After update gnome. |
| 01:06.04 | path | !ubuntu |
| 01:06.04 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:06.18 | EduardeCalibal | I dont have a ubuntu system |
| 01:06.34 | EduardeCalibal | Only a ubuntu kernel... |
| 01:06.58 | streuner | what stops you to install a Debian kernel then? |
| 01:07.24 | streuner | EduardeCalibal: what does "dpkg -l libc6" say btw? |
| 01:07.25 | qq- | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:07.25 | EduardeCalibal | I install the last... I dont chose this one. Let me see what I have new here to install... |
| 01:07.53 | qq- | EduardeCalibal, in debian last is 2.6.32 |
| 01:07.54 | EduardeCalibal | lic6 2.11.1-3 |
| 01:08.06 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 01:08.08 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
| 01:08.29 | EduardeCalibal | debian version squeeze/sid |
| 01:09.23 | EduardeCalibal | I found this one in repository... |
| 01:09.25 | EduardeCalibal | linux-image-2.6.34-1-amd64 2.6.34-1~experimental.2 |
| 01:09.28 | qq- | , kernels |
| 01:09.30 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 01:09.48 | EduardeCalibal | What is the last little stable? |
| 01:10.58 | nevyn | little stable? |
| 01:11.09 | EduardeCalibal | Dont very much unstable. |
| 01:11.10 | EduardeCalibal | :d |
| 01:11.17 | EduardeCalibal | I try this one... linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 |
| 01:11.30 | qq- | heh |
| 01:11.48 | EduardeCalibal | I need luck. Cya guys. |
| 01:11.50 | streuner | he prolly talk about testing |
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| 01:12.11 | streuner | on a wild guess, but with this libc6 and kernel everything is possible |
| 01:12.18 | roseanne | how do I get an atheros wifi card to work ? |
| 01:12.35 | streuner | depends what chipset you have |
| 01:12.56 | streuner | but using athk5 is a good way and reading wiki.debian.org |
| 01:12.58 | EduardeCalibal | I have a happy system with 1756 packages to update. |
| 01:13.00 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 01:13.12 | EduardeCalibal | Half million files. |
| 01:13.14 | qq- | heh |
| 01:13.16 | streuner | !listkeys atheros |
| 01:13.17 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'atheros' by key (1): atheros. |
| 01:13.23 | streuner | !atheros |
| 01:13.23 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523> or <ath9k_htc> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
| 01:13.52 | roseanne | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.01 | roseanne | it says its supported by the kernel |
| 01:14.01 | EduardeCalibal | Ten minutes... I go eat some and py. |
| 01:14.16 | streuner | prolly ath5k then |
| 01:14.31 | streuner | !listvals ar242 |
| 01:14.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ar242' by value (6): f5d7010 ;; ath5k ;; ath9k ;; ar2425 ;; ar2427 ;; ar5007. |
| 01:14.55 | roseanne | streuner: I did iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 01:14.59 | streuner | !ar2425 |
| 01:14.59 | dpkg | The Atheros AR2425/AR5007* PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline <ath5k> driver since Linux 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> and install a later kernel image package. For support of the Atheros AR5007UG USB chipset (formerly Zydas ZD1211), ask me about <zd1211rw>. |
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| 01:15.17 | roseanne | bpo |
| 01:15.23 | roseanne | !bpo |
| 01:15.23 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 01:15.24 | streuner | roseanne: read /msg dpkg ath5k |
| 01:15.29 | streuner | nah |
| 01:15.34 | qq- | lspci -nn |
| 01:17.04 | roseanne | streuner: install a backported kernel ? |
| 01:17.09 | roseanne | 2.6.29 ? |
| 01:17.24 | streuner | roseanne: depends |
| 01:17.48 | streuner | roseanne: but just answer the question first of qq- |
| 01:18.35 | streuner | roseanne: tell us the output for the atheros chipset with that command |
| 01:18.50 | roseanne | qq- : 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 01:19.20 | qq- | , pciid 168c:001c |
| 01:19.22 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
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| 01:20.26 | streuner | roseanne: well, just read what judd told you and read wiki about |
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| 01:30.07 | wpgmb | aptitude upgrade shows me a large list of packages that all end with {u}, ie. apache2.2-bin{u} or gnome-system-tools{u}. What does that {u} mean? |
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| 01:30.35 | qq- | upgrade ? |
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| 01:31.16 | wpgmb | qq: maybe, but this list are packages that will be removed, and I don't see them in the list of packages that will be installed. |
| 01:31.31 | Raggs | can i install from just the first DVD? |
| 01:31.45 | dvs | Raggs: yes |
| 01:31.46 | wpgmb | Raggs: yes |
| 01:31.53 | Raggs | ty gents |
| 01:32.30 | qq- | Raggs, /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 01:33.00 | Raggs | qq-, i have done net installs, i dont have a cd |
| 01:33.22 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:33.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 01:33.22 | qq- | and no net ? |
| 01:33.36 | Raggs | qq-, wireless |
| 01:34.13 | qq- | so no working 'wireless' ? |
| 01:34.21 | streuner | possible if Debian supports it |
| 01:34.39 | Raggs | not from a netinstall, at least i have never done it with this computer |
| 01:34.52 | streuner | firmware |
| 01:35.11 | streuner | Raggs: what kind of chipset? |
| 01:35.33 | Raggs | intel not sure what number |
| 01:36.06 | streuner | and you cannot plug that box just in LAN? |
| 01:36.31 | Raggs | streuner, i could |
| 01:37.28 | qq- | !3945 |
| 01:37.28 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:39.14 | wpgmb | aptitude upgrade shows me a large list of packages that all end with {u}, ie. apache2.2-bin{u} or gnome-system-tools{u}. What does that {u} mean? |
| 01:39.32 | streuner | How about to just read man aptitude? |
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| 01:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure it's in there? |
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| 01:41.25 | qq- | Raggs, for installing from cdrom/dvdrom ran , apt-cdrom add , not sure is non-free are there thought , just try it |
| 01:41.58 | Kirby64 | So... I'm having a lot of trouble configuring cups to work for network printing... anyone know a decent amount about cups? |
| 01:42.08 | qq- | s /is/ if |
| 01:43.10 | qq- | Kirby64, /msg dpkg cups |
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| 01:43.42 | streuner | people know nothing about cups ;-) |
| 01:44.04 | streuner | and if you need help you are mostly out of luck, so just pray that cups work or not... |
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| 01:44.22 | streuner | configuring of cups is very easy |
| 01:44.38 | Kirby64 | :( I don't know why it's not working though... I've tried everything, I think I'm missing something |
| 01:45.20 | streuner | the printer is supported? |
| 01:45.41 | Kirby64 | Well, I'm testing with Cups-PDF for now |
| 01:45.42 | streuner | oh, network printing, nm |
| 01:46.10 | Kirby64 | Ultimate goal is to get Cups working with Kerberos authentication across Linux, Windows, and OSX |
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| 01:46.31 | Kirby64 | But I can't even get the network printing to work (no kerberos) with just linux clients :( |
| 01:46.45 | qq- | Kirby64 > ##cups |
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| 01:47.23 | Kirby64 | Hmm, that works. Thanks |
| 01:47.46 | qq- | and read bot message .. |
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| 02:05.47 | xxoxx | hi apt-get seems to be broken. |
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| 02:05.58 | xxoxx | when I run apt-get update, returns: Err http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages 404 not found |
| 02:06.07 | xxoxx | what should I do? |
| 02:06.25 | xuser | !etch |
| 02:06.25 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 02:07.11 | craigevil | !etch sources.list |
| 02:07.11 | xxoxx | ok, how to go from etch to lenny? |
| 02:07.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 02:07.30 | xxoxx | dpkg, ok thanks |
| 02:07.30 | dpkg | xxoxx: that's ok |
| 02:07.42 | craigevil | xuser: do /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 02:08.39 | Arafangion | xxoxx: I suggest that you find a mirror that still has etch first, and make sure you're completely up-to-date to ensure that the transition is smooth as possible. |
| 02:09.18 | xxoxx | Arafangion, ok.... sounds dangerous... |
| 02:09.33 | Arafangion | xxoxx: Not really dangerious... Just best to follow the well-trodden path. |
| 02:10.25 | karlpinc | xxoxx: Use the release notes to upgrade one version at a time and you'll have no problems. |
| 02:10.36 | karlpinc | !archive.debian.org |
| 02:10.40 | xxoxx | ok |
| 02:10.58 | xxoxx | it's on a colinux image... so I don't know if it's worth the effort |
| 02:11.01 | Arafangion | xxoxx: A distribution upgrade (ie, to lenny) will upgrade almost every package on your system, potentially. |
| 02:11.19 | karlpinc | Humm, I thought there was a factoid. Anyway, I think that's where out of date releases are kept. |
| 02:11.25 | Arafangion | colinux? Curious, I'm more of a vmware guy. |
| 02:11.44 | Arafangion | Does colinux even work on win7? |
| 02:12.03 | xxoxx | Arafangion, yes it's a staging server running colinux on XP |
| 02:12.12 | qq- | !colinux |
| 02:12.12 | dpkg | Cooperative Linux (aka coLinux) is software for running Linux on Microsoft Windows. It is a port of the Linux kernel, allowing cooperative execution with another operating system on a single machine. http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ http://www.colinux.org/ #colinux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:12.40 | Arafangion | Curious. |
| 02:13.32 | Arafangion | xxoxx: Keep a backup. :) |
| 02:13.53 | xxoxx | Araf, yeah.. that's easy for colinux, :) |
| 02:14.15 | Arafangion | Generally trivial for any kind of virtualisation, indeed. |
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| 02:15.11 | xxoxx | Excuse for my ignorace, but is dpkg a script? |
| 02:15.58 | Arafangion | Hmm, no, it appears to be an ELF executable. |
| 02:16.23 | xxoxx | well... so a non-human? |
| 02:16.40 | Arafangion | Oh, the bot? Yeah, it's a script. |
| 02:16.43 | xxoxx | if so, that's pretty cool. the archive.debian.org source worked. THANKS dpkg |
| 02:17.13 | Arafangion | dpkg and google together just about know the sum of all knowledge. ;) |
| 02:17.13 | dpkg | Arafangion: bugger all, i dunno |
| 02:17.32 | Arafangion | dpkg: Insightful. :) |
| 02:17.32 | dpkg | Arafangion: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:17.38 | Arafangion | Bah. |
| 02:17.43 | Arafangion | goes to lunch. |
| 02:17.48 | xxoxx | dpkg: hi there |
| 02:17.48 | dpkg | privet |
| 02:19.45 | sepult | well, reinstalled all, but now kde sucks, at starting, it takes half an our circa |
| 02:19.52 | sepult | lol |
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| 02:20.15 | grobe0ba | i am having problem with ipv6 routing on debian sid. i have a static 6in4 tunnel, but i can't get any outgoing traffic over it. all i get is destination unreachable. my routing table is ::/0 dev 6in4. can anyone provide any enlightenment? |
| 02:20.19 | karlpinc | xxoxx: It's often bad taste to talk to the bot on the open channel. Try /msg dpkg help. |
| 02:20.37 | xxoxx | karlpinc, ok... pardon me |
| 02:20.49 | Arafangion | ducks out the door. |
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| 02:21.07 | b0nghitter | how do i turn off the NFS stuff in a default Standard system install? |
| 02:21.17 | b0nghitter | i see statd and portmap running |
| 02:21.34 | b0nghitter | not something i want running on a dedicated server |
| 02:21.37 | streuner | kill the pids? |
| 02:21.42 | b0nghitter | every tiem i boot? |
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| 02:22.41 | streuner | nah, via /etc/init.d/foo then |
| 02:22.42 | streuner | by removing the start level thingie |
| 02:22.52 | karlpinc | !startup |
| 02:22.52 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags> |
| 02:22.57 | streuner | or just remove the package |
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| 02:23.13 | streuner | but thats not without danger (remove NFS stuff) in Debian... |
| 02:23.27 | karlpinc | streuner: Why is that? |
| 02:23.28 | b0nghitter | ok thanks |
| 02:23.43 | ZenWalker | if i replace squeeze by testing on repos, there are any difference? |
| 02:23.55 | xxoxx | now I am very curious... is there someplace to find out about the dpkg bot ? |
| 02:24.18 | qq- | dpkg, who are you ? |
| 02:24.18 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 02:24.29 | karlpinc | ZenWalker: Yes, once squeeze goes stable you'll automatically find yourself on the next release of testing. Not a particularly good thing in most cases. |
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| 02:24.38 | streuner | kalrpinc: if you remove portmapper in Debian the bootprocess stopped, it long time ago, dont know if that happens nowadays |
| 02:24.42 | qq- | dpkg, what are you ? |
| 02:24.42 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 02:24.54 | xxoxx | <infobot> |
| 02:25.07 | streuner | karlpinc: ^^^ |
| 02:25.08 | karlpinc | xxoxx: Yah. The bot knows. Try /msg dpkg dpkg or poke around. There's a web page somewhere. |
| 02:25.12 | qq- | xxoxx, /msg dpkg infobot |
| 02:25.25 | xxoxx | karlpinc, qq, ok thanks |
| 02:25.25 | b0nghitter | is there a fancy cmdline tool for showing installed/available packages? apt-cache search is not very easy on the eyes |
| 02:25.31 | ZenWalker | karlpinc: ok, yes, but now, there are any difference? |
| 02:25.41 | karlpinc | b0nghitter: aptitude |
| 02:25.46 | b0nghitter | k |
| 02:25.48 | streuner | karlpinc: the thing was, you need to boot that bitch via Live-CD or such (on servers very tricky)... |
| 02:26.01 | karlpinc | ZenWalker: no. |
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| 02:26.07 | ZenWalker | ok thanks |
| 02:26.33 | karlpinc | streuner: You lost me on your last comment. |
| 02:27.34 | inter4 | i have locked myselfe out from kiosktools :( How can I start the program or delete the config file apt-get remove --purge kiosktool doesn't help as well |
| 02:29.54 | karlpinc | inter4: What version of debian? (I don't see kiosktools in stable.) |
| 02:30.12 | qq- | karlpinc, yes irt is |
| 02:30.21 | inter4 | stable karlpinc |
| 02:30.24 | qq- | s /irt /it |
| 02:30.32 | qq- | kiosktool |
| 02:30.32 | karlpinc | Humm. My aptitude search didn't find it.... |
| 02:30.39 | karlpinc | Ah. |
| 02:31.28 | inter4 | i disabled alt +f2 and all application that need root. so now i am unable to start it |
| 02:32.10 | inter4 | i deluser and adduser new but that does also not work |
| 02:32.33 | nsadmin | , versions kiosktool |
| 02:32.35 | judd | kiosktool -- etch: 1.0-2~etch+1; lenny: 1.0-3 |
| 02:33.02 | nsadmin | looks like it's dying for some reason |
| 02:33.05 | karlpinc | Not a good sign if it's not in squeeze. |
| 02:33.10 | inter4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.31 | inter4 | there is no kde4 version |
| 02:33.34 | rking | I demand a problem to solve. |
| 02:33.54 | rking | (=)) |
| 02:34.09 | nsadmin | make an O with your right thumb and forefinger... |
| 02:34.12 | karlpinc | rking: P=NP? |
| 02:34.23 | nsadmin | put your left thumb in the hole,,, |
| 02:34.31 | nsadmin | try to grab it with your left hand! |
| 02:34.39 | inter4 | so someone know how to get kiosktool working again, or better not working :) |
| 02:34.57 | rking | karlpinc: Too easy. I am way past all this NP stuff. |
| 02:35.08 | rking | inter4: Symptoms, conditions, problems. I DEMAND> |
| 02:35.59 | rking | inter4: I see no debian package, are you building from tarball? |
| 02:36.02 | nsadmin | rking, if you can solve the left thumb grab problem, then you're ready for p=np |
| 02:36.29 | rking | nsadmin: I did that. My secret is that I moved very quickly. NEXT PROBLEM. |
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| 02:37.09 | nsadmin | I don't believe you.... make a youtube! |
| 02:37.46 | inter4 | rking: i disabled alt +f2 and all application that need root. so now i am unable to start it |
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| 02:38.22 | rking | nsadmin: Here is how I did it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1saDR4bzY4o |
| 02:39.00 | rking | inter4: You speak some language that is NP-hard to parse. |
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| 02:39.37 | rking | inter4: Where is this kiosktool coming from? I am assuming you downloaded/installed a tarball --- if so, what version? Or MAYBE I should be asking what distribution you're on. |
| 02:39.58 | qq- | , versions kiosktool |
| 02:39.58 | judd | kiosktool -- etch: 1.0-2~etch+1; lenny: 1.0-3 |
| 02:40.03 | inter4 | rking: apt-get install kiosktool |
| 02:40.10 | rking | Oh, it's not on sid. That's interesting. |
| 02:40.24 | nsadmin | yeah, someone must have lost interest |
| 02:40.29 | inter4 | no there is no kde4 version thats why rking |
| 02:40.31 | rking | I wonder if it's intentionally not there or what... I usually don't see that case happen. |
| 02:40.40 | rking | Ahh |
| 02:40.51 | nsadmin | what does kde4 have to do with this? |
| 02:41.07 | karlpinc | nsadmin: It's a kde frob. |
| 02:41.09 | inter4 | nsadmin: different config files maybe |
| 02:41.38 | rking | inter4: I still don't understand your previous statement---"i disabled alt+f2"---what does it normally do? Also, what do you mean by the second part, "all application that need root"? |
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| 02:42.04 | inter4 | do you know what kiosktool does rking |
| 02:42.13 | rking | inter4: Nope. |
| 02:42.17 | inter4 | well that is part of it |
| 02:42.34 | rking | inter4: OK, so you're locked in kiosk mode is the problem? |
| 02:42.37 | inter4 | you can lock down the computer |
| 02:42.46 | rking | inter4: Have you rebooted into single user mode or is it too smart for that? |
| 02:43.10 | rking | inter4: Even if it is too smart for that it cannot defeat a boot disk. |
| 02:43.27 | inter4 | yes and i am unable to change it because i can not start the application anymore because you need root access (which i locked down) |
| 02:43.42 | rking | inter4: Also, if I was you, I'd run sshd so you can get in the back door next time. |
| 02:43.56 | rking | inter4: What about a boot disk? |
| 02:44.29 | inter4 | i can still get to a root terminal but removing and reinstalling doesn't work |
| 02:44.56 | nsadmin | you'd haev to explain "doesn't work" |
| 02:45.12 | inter4 | question is what do i do if i am in |
| 02:45.33 | inter4 | i can not start kiosktool anymore to change the profile |
| 02:45.49 | rking | inter4: I think I understand you. I would find its config files in /etc/ and move them out of the way. |
| 02:46.13 | nsadmin | if you can get into the machine at all, that's one thing... if you can get in as root, that's another... you should be able to do anythig |
| 02:46.15 | inter4 | i did a locate and there are no /etc/ config files |
| 02:46.44 | inter4 | nsadmin: yes and anything would be what? |
| 02:47.11 | rking | inter4: OK, I'm in the source, and I am seeing kconfig stuff. Do you know how to do any kconfig admin from the command line? |
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| 02:47.45 | Parabola | hey |
| 02:48.02 | Parabola | make-kpkg isnt on my system |
| 02:48.06 | Parabola | and i cant figure out how to install it :( |
| 02:48.10 | sepult | so i think i mounted all things in fstab with mandatory locks |
| 02:48.13 | Parabola | i have make installed |
| 02:48.17 | sepult | that's why it takes so long |
| 02:48.18 | Parabola | i have build-essential installed :( |
| 02:48.25 | sepult | lol |
| 02:48.30 | rking | Parabola: Have you tried sudo apt-get install kernel-package ? |
| 02:48.36 | Parabola | noop |
| 02:48.48 | Parabola | ah ha! |
| 02:48.50 | Parabola | you're the Fing man |
| 02:48.50 | rking | sepult: Sounds interesting |
| 02:48.55 | inter4 | no rking |
| 02:48.56 | rking | Parabola: I KNOW! |
| 02:49.23 | qq- | Parabola, why needs fot compiling a kernel ? |
| 02:49.29 | Parabola | yeah |
| 02:49.32 | inter4 | as far as i understand i alters different kde config files rking |
| 02:49.34 | qq- | s/fot/ for |
| 02:49.35 | Parabola | qq- 1000fps TF2 servers :) |
| 02:49.39 | rking | Parabola: By the way, I just did: apt-cache search make-kpkg ... if that had've failed I would have looked at http://packages.debian.org or used apt-file |
| 02:49.46 | sepult | so even my /var which is ona sole partition was mand mounted |
| 02:49.55 | Parabola | rking stop making me look bad |
| 02:50.13 | rking | Parabola: Naw I'm just teaching you to fish. |
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| 02:50.47 | Parabola | pretty sure i did apt-cache search |
| 02:50.58 | Parabola | probobly did it wrong |
| 02:51.03 | rking | inter4: I'm seeing the source talking about /etc/kde-profile |
| 02:51.05 | qq- | Parabola, /msg dpkg as |
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| 02:52.00 | rking | Parabola: Well, it's not clear... I just saw kernel-package and remembered that's where it was. Without that clue I would've just gone the p.d.o route probably |
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| 02:53.22 | qq- | Parabola, whats your system now , and which kernel needs to compile |
| 02:53.24 | qq- | ? |
| 02:54.19 | rking | inter4: 1) Are you on the system now in single user mode? |
| 02:54.27 | Parabola | CRAP |
| 02:54.29 | Parabola | got an error |
| 02:54.37 | Parabola | sys/eventfd.h no such file :( |
| 02:54.38 | inter4 | thanks rking found the file have to log out to see if it works |
| 02:54.41 | Parabola | any ideas |
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| 02:54.51 | Parabola | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers && cd .. |
| 02:54.53 | Parabola | thats what i ran |
| 02:55.00 | rking | Parabola: If you follow the instructions in /msg dpkg as ... that is a minor problem. |
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| 02:55.30 | Parabola | the missing file is? |
| 02:55.38 | inter4 | yes that worked rking thanks again |
| 02:55.58 | rking | inter4: Use the Source, Luke Duke. |
| 02:56.27 | rking | Parabola: It is simple to find if you install apt-file, then do apt-file update, then do apt-file search sys/eventfd.h |
| 02:56.35 | rking | Parabola: Or if that's tough just go to packages.debian.org |
| 02:56.46 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.56 | Parabola | uh |
| 02:56.58 | Parabola | apt-file not a command |
| 02:57.13 | Parabola | oh right |
| 02:57.13 | Parabola | nvm |
| 02:57.21 | rking | Parabola: I'm about to kick you so hard that you make a ... parabola ... as you fly through the air. |
| 02:57.25 | Parabola | haha |
| 02:57.31 | Parabola | i ddint read whole sentence i got it |
| 02:57.32 | Parabola | CALM DOWN |
| 02:57.35 | Parabola | SASSY PANTS |
| 02:58.32 | qq- | Parabola, i asked something ... |
| 02:58.33 | Parabola | i need header files |
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| 02:58.37 | Parabola | i think |
| 02:58.51 | Parabola | ffs |
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| 02:59.26 | Parabola | !headers |
| 02:59.46 | Parabola | are there seperate headers for each kernel |
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| 03:02.14 | rking | Parabola: apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 03:04.52 | Parabola | yeah |
| 03:04.54 | Parabola | thoes are too old dude |
| 03:04.56 | Parabola | like i said |
| 03:04.57 | Parabola | :( |
| 03:05.02 | Parabola | 2.6.34 is what i'm compiling |
| 03:05.11 | Parabola | .26 is newest in there |
| 03:05.30 | rking | Parabola: Well then I guess you're not using your distro's kernel-source package. |
| 03:05.37 | qq- | , kernels |
| 03:05.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:05.52 | qq- | Parabola, uname -r , says ? |
| 03:06.01 | nsadmin | , coloniels |
| 03:06.32 | Parabola | qq- i'm confused |
| 03:06.38 | Parabola | im still running .26 |
| 03:06.44 | Parabola | i've just compiled .34 |
| 03:06.47 | rking | nsadmin: +1 for the joke, -.25 for the misspell. |
| 03:06.52 | Parabola | i need the kernel headers for whatever i'm doing |
| 03:06.57 | qq- | Parabola, you can't compile .34 on lenny |
| 03:07.13 | Parabola | i was able to make it just fine |
| 03:07.14 | rking | qq-: What? |
| 03:07.20 | nsadmin | yeah I knew I didn't have it right |
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| 03:07.29 | Parabola | colonel i think is right |
| 03:07.31 | rking | qq-: You mean using lenny's linux-headers packages? |
| 03:07.37 | qq- | yes |
| 03:07.41 | rking | nsadmin: +.025 for knowing that. |
| 03:07.57 | AndrewX192 | This should redirect all traffic from port 843 to 4049, correct? [ http://pastebin.com/ySA75QD4 ] |
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| 03:11.06 | rking | AndrewX192: I don't know anything about iptables, but what happens if you try it? |
| 03:11.35 | AndrewX192 | rking, I cant connect to localhost 843 even though the resulting port 4049 is bound |
| 03:12.12 | rking | AndrewX192: Hrm. This is not something I have ever messed with. I wonder what debugging tools we can find? |
| 03:12.52 | rking | AndrewX192: It looks like there are configuration wizards, have you played with any of them? |
| 03:13.08 | AndrewX192 | This is a server, I don't have any wizards to play with.; |
| 03:13.16 | rking | AndrewX192: fwbuilder, bastille, ferm |
| 03:13.20 | Parabola | !testing |
| 03:13.20 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 03:13.43 | rking | AndrewX192: OK, back up... you don't have any kind of testbed machine? At some point or another you are going to get massively fubar'd if you're doing dev on the one and only instance. |
| 03:14.12 | Parabola | can i just change "lenny main" to "testing main" in my sources list? |
| 03:14.28 | rking | AndrewX192: I would even let you off the hook if you just had some old junky machine that happened to run Linux that you used as a play-around box. |
| 03:14.28 | nevyn | AndrewX192: what about reverse traffic? |
| 03:14.59 | AndrewX192 | rking, this is the test server so far |
| 03:15.00 | nevyn | actually that should be fine.. |
| 03:15.04 | AndrewX192 | It's not deployed yet |
| 03:15.09 | nevyn | except related is going to be messed up. |
| 03:15.13 | rking | Parabola: It's something like that. I did a very rough sid upgrade the other day, and ended up having to use this weird smxi program that I just found out about. |
| 03:15.16 | nsadmin | I tried to scroll back... couldn't get past "uh apt-file is not a command" actually it is |
| 03:15.18 | AndrewX192 | I have other linux machines but id rather just use this one |
| 03:15.23 | AndrewX192 | I just need someone who knows iptables |
| 03:15.26 | rking | AndrewX192: OK, so the problem is that you don't have X11? |
| 03:15.42 | rking | nsadmin: That's what his shell said. |
| 03:15.43 | AndrewX192 | rking, I'd rather not install a firewall builder on any of my systems |
| 03:15.53 | AndrewX192 | Surely someone knows iptables in this room |
| 03:15.59 | rking | AndrewX192: Perhaps you can install a Fail builder instead? |
| 03:17.23 | nsadmin | rking: probably not in those exact words... anyway, I was trying to find out what the original issue is, and it looks like he's trying to upgrade to a kernel because the one he's running is old? is there anything like "something doesn't work"? |
| 03:18.00 | rking | nsadmin: Oh, nope---he bypassed that part. I didn't dig deeper. |
| 03:18.18 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 03:18.52 | nevyn | AndrewX192: you might need to use mangle for this I think |
| 03:20.21 | nevyn | AndrewX192: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-port-redirection-with-iptables/ |
| 03:20.31 | nsadmin | AndrewX192: you could learn it too you know... google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" |
| 03:20.46 | nevyn | you need a REDIRECT not a DNAT rule |
| 03:20.46 | AndrewX192 | nevyn, il check that |
| 03:21.05 | nevyn | but I'm wrong you don't need mangle. |
| 03:21.16 | nevyn | mangle is for messing with payload not headers. |
| 03:22.08 | AndrewX192 | nsadmin, well last time I asked a question in here I got "< pickcoder> the batbook is always helpful if you have a few years to read it" |
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| 03:22.50 | nsadmin | the bat book was actually a pretty cool read |
| 03:23.18 | rking | AndrewX192: That looks pretty similar to yours, except -j REDIRECT instead of -j DNAT , then it doesn't have the FORWARDING line |
| 03:23.47 | nsadmin | I learned a little about sendmail rules... then never used the info... sigh |
| 03:24.05 | AndrewX192 | "ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere localhost tcp dpt:843 " |
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| 03:28.13 | inter4 | how do i get flash to work in 5.05 32bit? i installed flashplugin-nonfree but nothing |
| 03:29.02 | nsadmin | quit your browser and fire it up again, then look at about:plugins |
| 03:30.07 | craigevil | inter4: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so and make sure not to choose swfdec or gnash |
| 03:30.34 | inter4 | no plugins are installed |
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| 03:33.15 | inter4 | ok so i need gnash craigevil right? |
| 03:34.32 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.49 | inter4 | well there is nothing to choose |
| 03:35.15 | inter4 | the command comes back "no plugins installed |
| 03:35.57 | qq- | 'i installed flashplugin-nonfree' ... |
| 03:36.16 | inter4 | i did |
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| 03:36.30 | qq- | see, dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:36.54 | qq- | and if ii is ok , dpkg -L flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:37.24 | inter4 | ups no flashplugin has no install canditat |
| 03:37.30 | inter4 | ?? |
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| 03:38.16 | qq- | non-free is in sources.list ? |
| 03:38.50 | craigevil | its not in non-free if he is on stable, use backports or dmm |
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| 03:39.37 | inter4 | lenny main contrib non-free yes |
| 03:39.53 | qq- | inter4, see craigevil ^^ |
| 03:40.00 | craigevil | !adobe flash |
| 03:40.00 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for testing users, or from backports.org. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:40.33 | craigevil | inter4: either install flashplugin-nonfree from backports or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia |
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| 03:41.15 | craigevil | either way you need to edit your sources.list add a repo, aptitude update, aptitude install |
| 03:41.40 | inter4 | thanks i need a different repro |
| 03:42.00 | craigevil | !tell inter4 about bpo |
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| 03:42.58 | inter4 | thanks i need backports enabled |
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| 03:45.10 | inter4 | i have another strange thing ... tab completion works only as in apt-g<tab> inst<tab> <--- doesn't work anymore |
| 03:46.13 | qq- | never worked here .. |
| 03:46.30 | craigevil | inter4: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-add-bash-completion-in-debian |
| 03:46.47 | inter4 | that is not good if you don't remember the exact name of a package |
| 03:46.48 | qq- | i meant about second completion word |
| 03:47.14 | inter4 | yes me too |
| 03:48.02 | qq- | here , i get "aptitude installer_ppc_bug" hehe |
| 03:48.33 | qq- | and i'm not on ppc |
| 03:48.57 | nsadmin | oh good... so no rehab then? :) |
| 03:49.10 | rking | I don't know if bash caught up, but smart completion has been Zsh's thing for a while. |
| 03:49.20 | craigevil | works just fine here, apt-get install mo |
| 03:49.20 | craigevil | Display all 240 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 03:49.43 | qq- | craigevil, say N .. |
| 03:49.55 | inter4 | first tab works second one not |
| 03:49.56 | nevyn | rking: bash has always had reasonable completion. but it is disabled by default |
| 03:50.07 | nevyn | like beyond files and stuff |
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| 03:51.01 | qq- | nsadmin, sorry i don't get you 'rehab', was not a ignoring from me |
| 03:51.33 | craigevil | Only bash completion for filenames and directories is enabled by default -- bash completion for options and restricting filenames requires the installation of the bash-completion package from lenny onwards |
| 03:52.24 | qq- | craigevil, ah , n ot here thanks |
| 03:52.29 | inter4 | apt-get install -t testing bash-compltion? craigevil |
| 03:52.48 | qq- | inter4, use aptitude |
| 03:52.48 | nsadmin | craigevil, do you have to configure it after installing? |
| 03:52.52 | craigevil | ,versions bash-completion |
| 03:52.54 | judd | bash-completion -- lenny: 20080705; sid: 1:1.2-2; squeeze: 1:1.2-2 |
| 03:53.54 | nsadmin | why would sid have a version that already "leaked" to testing? |
| 03:54.40 | qq- | but here same behavior w/ bash-completion |
| 03:54.44 | craigevil | a lot of packages have the same version in testing and sid |
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| 03:55.07 | nsadmin | yeah, noticed that. |
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| 04:02.31 | Eusebus | hi :) |
| 04:03.21 | b0nghitter | anyone ever use 100tb.com? |
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| 04:04.48 | macrobat | hello Eusebus! how can we enhance your debian experience? |
| 04:05.11 | nsadmin | with a bonghit! |
| 04:05.26 | Eusebus | I've got a huge problem |
| 04:05.38 | Eusebus | and I hope I'll be able to fix fix before going to sleep |
| 04:05.42 | Eusebus | fix it * |
| 04:05.48 | cast | thats a bad idea |
| 04:06.06 | cast | many nights i haven't slept because i would have to fix something before sleeping |
| 04:06.10 | Eusebus | I made a dist-upgrade on my eeepc (with debian squeeze) |
| 04:06.17 | ootput | Eusebus: leave it alone till the morning |
| 04:06.24 | cast | right, so you're not using stable. |
| 04:06.26 | nsadmin | why? |
| 04:06.27 | Eusebus | it is the morning :d |
| 04:06.52 | Eusebus | hum, am I on the wrong channel ? |
| 04:06.58 | nsadmin | is it "the morning after" or "the night before"? |
| 04:07.05 | ootput | you're smartest in the morning |
| 04:07.09 | Eusebus | heure it is 6 am |
| 04:07.15 | Eusebus | here * |
| 04:07.30 | Eusebus | but I woke up at 3pm yesterday so... :d |
| 04:08.02 | ootput | vitamin D is good for Debian maintenance |
| 04:08.06 | Eusebus | well, maybe you could help me about my problem, I don't think it's a problem of stable f not :) |
| 04:08.17 | Eusebus | s/f/or |
| 04:08.28 | nsadmin | first, let me say congratulations for choosing to dedicate one of your machines to improving debian and therefore ban it from doing real work |
| 04:08.29 | Eusebus | so, dpkg failed |
| 04:08.55 | Eusebus | and every command then returned me a segfault |
| 04:09.07 | ootput | Eusebus: pastebin /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 04:09.07 | Eusebus | couldn't do anything but a hard reset |
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| 04:09.24 | Eusebus | and now I've got a kernel panic while booting |
| 04:09.24 | Eusebus | :/ |
| 04:09.28 | ootput | - from a liveCD |
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| 04:09.44 | qq- | !fixmbr |
| 04:09.44 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 04:09.47 | Eusebus | ootput: yes I've got a USB key with Debian |
| 04:10.08 | nsadmin | Eusebus: and this is all OK because you (1) backed up, and (2) will not be doing any real work on this machine? |
| 04:10.46 | Eusebus | I have a recent backup yep |
| 04:11.18 | Eusebus | and it's a machine I use to go on Internet and sometimes to program |
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| 04:11.52 | nsadmin | I'll suggest you keep your scripts/sources on a separate machine, like a cvs or something |
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| 04:12.38 | Eusebus | I have access to these sources now thanks to my bootable key |
| 04:12.52 | nsadmin | good |
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| 04:13.07 | Eusebus | I can do a backup now but unuseful as I already did it last week :) |
| 04:13.12 | nsadmin | so now, about the machine... you're upgrading what, to what, and why? |
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| 04:13.35 | Eusebus | well, I made apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:13.45 | qq- | no |
| 04:13.50 | macrobat | i recommend aptitude |
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| 04:14.01 | Eusebus | because I never did it before and I needed to get the last udev |
| 04:14.13 | qq- | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 04:14.13 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
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| 04:14.33 | Eusebus | the real problem now is that |
| 04:14.47 | Eusebus | when I enter a command, like ls for example |
| 04:14.54 | Eusebus | it returns me a segfault |
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| 04:15.11 | nsadmin | so you have yourself a nice broken system :) |
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| 04:15.33 | Eusebus | seems to be, yep |
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| 04:15.37 | qq- | !ops Clecio |
| 04:15.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: Clecio |
| 04:15.38 | macrobat | mount it and look at the logs? |
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| 04:16.11 | Eusebus | I'doing it right now but I don't really know where to begin |
| 04:16.13 | mentor | It's kinda like watching a car crash, over and over again |
| 04:16.33 | mentor | Clecio: Stop it |
| 04:16.35 | Eusebus | I've been suggested to see /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 04:16.45 | Eusebus | I'm gonna try to pastebin it |
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| 04:18.10 | b0nghitter | is there a cmd to show a packages info? other than looking through apt-cache search |
| 04:18.27 | nsadmin | apt-cache show |
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| 04:18.36 | b0nghitter | ah thanks |
| 04:18.46 | nsadmin | man apt-cache for details |
| 04:19.53 | b0nghitter | is it safe to remove at? it depends on exim which i dont want |
| 04:20.44 | Eusebus | well |
| 04:21.00 | Eusebus | it crashed while configuring the libc6 package |
| 04:21.28 | Eusebus | last line is "status half-configured libc6 2.11.2-2" |
| 04:21.41 | qq- | time to reinstall .. |
| 04:21.59 | Eusebus | the thing is that I'd like to |
| 04:22.23 | Eusebus | but I can't use any command |
| 04:22.25 | qq- | the OS .. |
| 04:22.25 | craigevil | use a livecd chroot then try to install libc6 again |
| 04:23.06 | Eusebus | I chrooted but then, I still can't use any command |
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| 04:24.11 | nsadmin | if worst comes to worst, you might have to reinstall... which shouldn't be an issue since you say you have backups |
| 04:24.13 | Eusebus | I make the chroot, then I try ls dans Segfault |
| 04:24.42 | qq- | Eusebus, i'll do a reboot |
| 04:24.57 | Eusebus | yeap, that's not a real problem but I would have liked to fix it instead of reinstalling |
| 04:25.18 | Eusebus | qq-: I have a kernel panic at boot |
| 04:25.22 | craigevil | have you tried booting into single user |
| 04:25.24 | Eusebus | not very convenient |
| 04:25.27 | Eusebus | yes |
| 04:25.47 | Eusebus | in sigle mode I also have the KP |
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| 04:25.50 | Eusebus | +n |
| 04:25.58 | qq- | boot in old kernel , says ? |
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| 04:26.17 | Eusebus | I have only one kernel on it |
| 04:26.24 | qq- | why ? |
| 04:26.48 | qq- | upgrade don't remove old kernel |
| 04:26.52 | Eusebus | aell, never been asked to install another one when upgrading... |
| 04:27.38 | qq- | grep vm /boot |
| 04:28.35 | Eusebus | well I have vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 04:28.48 | macrobat | every kernel version has its own pkg |
| 04:29.09 | zebradog | macrobat, every kernel is set to some revisioning # .. |
| 04:29.14 | mentor | There's a metapackage |
| 04:29.15 | zebradog | kernel.org |
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| 04:29.21 | qq- | anyways 2.6.26-1-686 is old |
| 04:29.23 | macrobat | wasnt it udev that needed a newer kernel? |
| 04:29.24 | mentor | linux-2.6 |
| 04:29.39 | Eusebus | qq-: that's why I wanted to upgrade :) |
| 04:29.44 | mentor | udev wants the code checked into git yesterday as far as I can tell |
| 04:29.48 | Eusebus | macrobat: yep, between other |
| 04:29.48 | Eusebus | s |
| 04:30.05 | macrobat | ok, maybe thats why it broke |
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| 04:30.16 | qq- | Eusebus, nah , lenny have 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 04:30.27 | Eusebus | I don |
| 04:30.31 | Eusebus | don't * |
| 04:30.45 | macrobat | the older one might have been on the install cd |
| 04:30.48 | macrobat | ,kernels |
| 04:30.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 04:31.39 | Eusebus | in which file can I check the shell used ? |
| 04:31.59 | macrobat | echo $SHELL |
| 04:32.13 | Eusebus | well, I can't use any command, I remind you :/ |
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| 04:32.19 | Eusebus | "segfault" |
| 04:32.24 | Cain | Eusebus : /etc/passwd |
| 04:32.31 | nsadmin | echo is a builtin, try that |
| 04:32.35 | Eusebus | okay |
| 04:32.59 | Eusebus | works |
| 04:33.02 | Eusebus | thanks |
| 04:33.40 | Eusebus | however not very useful in fact |
| 04:33.43 | nsadmin | so your shell itself does not segfault per command, it's just when you run commands that are in files |
| 04:33.58 | macrobat | is it possible to just copy a kernel to /boot and install a kernel pgk later? |
| 04:34.09 | Eusebus | nsadmin: seems to be |
| 04:34.41 | nsadmin | macrobat maybe, but you have to deal with the boot loader |
| 04:34.49 | Eusebus | echo is the only thing that didn't return me Segmentation Fault |
| 04:34.52 | Eusebus | that's a progress |
| 04:35.08 | macrobat | isnt it just to edit menu.lst or grub.cfg? |
| 04:35.26 | Eusebus | it could be a problem with grub ?? |
| 04:35.32 | nsadmin | right, or run update-grub |
| 04:35.33 | macrobat | then clean it up when things work |
| 04:35.40 | nsadmin | no, it's not a grub problem |
| 04:35.44 | Eusebus | nsadmin: how ? :d |
| 04:35.51 | mentor | What about a shell script? |
| 04:35.53 | Eusebus | ah ok |
| 04:36.19 | Eusebus | hum |
| 04:36.31 | Eusebus | a little thing |
| 04:36.37 | Eusebus | when I chroot |
| 04:36.40 | Eusebus | I've got |
| 04:36.50 | Eusebus | sh-4.0# |
| 04:36.57 | Eusebus | in the terminal |
| 04:37.11 | Arafangion | You can boot it up fine without modifying grub's configuration files, although you'll have to manually configure grub from within the grub bootloader during boot. |
| 04:37.23 | Arafangion | However, if you just copy the kernel, you'll still have to contend with the kernel modules./ |
| 04:37.51 | nsadmin | that would be your current prompt, and probably the prompt set by default by the shell |
| 04:37.57 | macrobat | yes you need an initrd |
| 04:38.18 | Arafangion | An initrd isn't required. |
| 04:38.38 | mentor | Er. |
| 04:38.41 | Arafangion | Well, depends on the setup. |
| 04:38.58 | mentor | It is unless you have specifically taken steps for it not to be needed. |
| 04:39.46 | macrobat | you could install a new kernel (from bpo) on the live system and copy it over |
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| 04:40.22 | qq- | and who generate initrd ? |
| 04:40.50 | macrobat | initramfstools? |
| 04:40.51 | Eusebus | so, any ideas about my segfaults ? :/ |
| 04:41.00 | mentor | The installation process should generate it automatically |
| 04:41.03 | Arafangion | sometimes thinks about developing his own OS - one that fits entirely within the CPU cache. |
| 04:41.10 | Eusebus | maybe ou'd like to know when I get my kernel panic |
| 04:41.11 | mentor | hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 04:41.13 | Arafangion | Would make it insanely fast. |
| 04:41.27 | nevyn | Arafangion: which size cache? |
| 04:41.43 | Arafangion | nevyn: Say... 4 or 8 MB? ;) |
| 04:42.13 | Arafangion | Current CPU cache's are frigging huge. |
| 04:42.13 | Jordan_U | wants Arafangion's CPU |
| 04:42.18 | Eusebus | so my kernel panic occurs just after "Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done" |
| 04:42.35 | qq- | Arafangion, openwrt do it |
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| 04:42.59 | Eusebus | then "init[1]; segfault at 0 ip 00000000 sp bf99c0d0 error 4 in init[8048000+8000] |
| 04:42.59 | Arafangion | Interesting. |
| 04:43.10 | mentor | That's not a kernel panic, per se |
| 04:43.24 | Eusebus | kernel panic, nt syncing"Attempted to kill init! |
| 04:43.27 | Arafangion | THat's definetly not a kernel panil. |
| 04:43.31 | mentor | That is |
| 04:43.35 | Arafangion | Ahh, THAT is. :) |
| 04:44.08 | Eusebus | and then, the big black hole |
| 04:44.28 | Arafangion | jordanm: By the way, an Intel Core 2 Duo has a 6MB cache. |
| 04:44.34 | mentor | Isn't init statically linked? |
| 04:44.56 | mentor | no |
| 04:45.00 | macrobat | i think my c2d has 4mb |
| 04:45.11 | mentor | Yeah, of L3 |
| 04:45.17 | mentor | Eusebus: You need to fix libc6 |
| 04:45.27 | Arafangion | The E8400 has 6MB. |
| 04:45.32 | mentor | Eusebus: You need to boot into a rescue CD or something and reinstall libc6 |
| 04:46.03 | mentor | Eusebus: dpkg can take a --root parameter so you don't need to run dpkg from within the broken system |
| 04:46.04 | macrobat | mentor: his pkg management tools dont work :) |
| 04:46.19 | macrobat | oh, that works? |
| 04:46.20 | Eusebus | how can I reinstall without being able to use commands ? :/ |
| 04:46.33 | mentor | macrobat: How could and install work otherwise :) |
| 04:46.43 | Eusebus | mentor: ah, could be interesting, this --root ;d |
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| 04:47.21 | macrobat | so, download a libc6 deb and install it to the system |
| 04:47.24 | Arafangion | would personally just copy /etc, /var, and /home, somehow run dpkg --get-selections and grab the output... Then toss the system and re-isntall. |
| 04:47.33 | mentor | I'd go with the libc6 that was being installed |
| 04:47.43 | mentor | Arafangion: You do that |
| 04:47.48 | mentor | This will be quicker |
| 04:48.08 | Arafangion | Assuming that libc6 is the only issue. |
| 04:48.08 | cast | don't forget /usr/local |
| 04:48.11 | Eusebus | hum, dpkg is not installed on my key -_- |
| 04:48.13 | craigevil | if none of his commands work how is he supposed to install libc6 |
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| 04:48.56 | Eusebus | I've go apt-install |
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| 04:51.41 | qq- | Eusebus, its an eeepc, right ? |
| 04:52.00 | sweetpi | break=premount doesnt work? |
| 04:52.05 | Eusebus | qq-: right |
| 04:52.55 | qq- | you have backups , so go for reinstall OS |
| 04:52.58 | project2501a | holy crap. i just booted sqeeze from an ssd for my first time: grub to gnome in less than six seconds. |
| 04:52.59 | sweetpi | Eusebus: ^^ |
| 04:54.02 | Arafangion | project2501a: That's roughly the same time as my first computer, a decade and a half ago, into windows. :) |
| 04:54.06 | Arafangion | Progress! |
| 04:54.41 | qq- | lier |
| 04:55.17 | mentor | Windows 95? |
| 04:55.20 | mentor | Unlikely |
| 04:55.27 | Arafangion | Of course not... Win 3.11 :) |
| 04:55.55 | project2501a | now i just need to change the damn fan on this thing and the vga, get a new battery and the lcd panel is dying... i wonder if i can actually add another cpu on this motherboard |
| 04:55.59 | mentor | Hmmm |
| 04:56.17 | mentor | I'm not sure I actually count Win 3 as an os |
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| 04:56.45 | Arafangion | It's just as much an OS as win95 is. |
| 04:56.54 | Arafangion | win95 was mostly 16-bit, even. |
| 04:56.56 | mentor | Well, quite. |
| 04:57.22 | qq- | 12 even |
| 04:57.41 | cast | it didn't count as a 'modern' OS iirc, neither did the 9x series |
| 04:58.02 | Arafangion | qq-: 12? I know that there's a bit or two out of the 16-bits that weren't used... But 12!? |
| 04:58.08 | MeglaW | when did it stop cointng as that cast |
| 04:58.19 | Arafangion | mentor: Win2k. |
| 04:58.22 | MeglaW | in 94 win 95 must have counted as modern |
| 04:58.36 | project2501a | does reiserfs support noatime? |
| 04:58.38 | Arafangion | Win95 was modern only in the sense that it had a GUI to rival OS/2. |
| 04:58.38 | mentor | No |
| 04:58.41 | Eusebus | reinstalling everything seems to be the good solution, indeed :/ |
| 04:58.54 | project2501a | mentor: no? |
| 04:59.08 | mentor | It was way behind everything else in terms of actual OS features. |
| 04:59.12 | cast | mentor: why? |
| 04:59.19 | cast | erm, not mentor |
| 04:59.35 | project2501a | hey guys, does reiserfs suppot noatime? |
| 04:59.57 | macrobat | Eusebus: there is the grml.org live system. it has debian stuff |
| 05:00.09 | Arafangion | project2501a: I would surely expect that it does... That's the most trivial optimisation one can perform with a filesystem. |
| 05:00.25 | cast | MeglaW: don't forget x86 and windows was the shit option, and serious work got done on workstations |
| 05:00.33 | mentor | Protected memory was obviously a fad. |
| 05:00.33 | project2501a | cool. cuz i just inserted the option to my fstab |
| 05:00.55 | Arafangion | Even now, does windows honestly take advantage of protected memory? |
| 05:01.02 | mentor | man mount.reiserfs? |
| 05:01.08 | mentor | yes |
| 05:01.25 | mentor | WinNT and Win2K have actual protected memoty |
| 05:01.39 | Arafangion | I would've thought that COM+ and other technologies manage to sidestep protected memory. |
| 05:02.01 | mentor | No more than other shared libraries... |
| 05:02.16 | Arafangion | Except that shared libraries tend to be designed as such. |
| 05:02.29 | Arafangion | And they're relocatable, as well. |
| 05:02.29 | mentor | Er |
| 05:02.30 | mentor | right |
| 05:02.46 | mentor | Ah well, yes, there is that |
| 05:03.03 | Arafangion | In contrast to .dll's, and in-process and out-of-process COM+ servers. |
| 05:03.08 | Arafangion | It's a mess. :( |
| 05:03.09 | mentor | But COM+ has out-of-process |
| 05:03.21 | mentor | Which arguably provides better compartmentisation |
| 05:03.34 | mentor | compartmentalisation |
| 05:03.44 | MeglaW | sooooooooooooooooooo move it to #offtopic |
| 05:03.53 | Arafangion | Arguably, probably even better than .dll's. (Hands up if anyone knomws which fricking free() to use for a given object?) |
| 05:03.53 | mentor | mmk |
| 05:04.07 | Arafangion | How did this subject start? |
| 05:04.19 | mentor | 6 seconds |
| 05:04.25 | Arafangion | Oh, right, booted gnome in 6 seconds. :) |
| 05:06.11 | project2501a | ... |
| 05:06.20 | project2501a | and it's about to become 4 |
| 05:06.29 | project2501a | bbl |
| 05:07.01 | Arafangion | Would be interesting if you were to rip the sys-v init system and put in ubuntu's upstart, /without/ using the sys-v init compatibility mode. |
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| 05:08.55 | Arafangion | has always thought it curious how Ubuntu uses upstart, while retaining sys-v init and therefore removing all its theoretical advantages. |
| 05:09.41 | nevyn | Arafangion: baby steps man baby steps. |
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| 05:10.22 | Eusebus | a little sleep and I'll see then |
| 05:10.26 | Eusebus | thanks for all :) |
| 05:10.52 | qq- | de rien |
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| 05:11.13 | Arafangion | nevyn: It's usually easier to develop a "pure" system than to work with a compatibility layer. |
| 05:11.19 | Eusebus | :D |
| 05:12.13 | project2501a | damn |
| 05:12.15 | Arafangion | is a programmer, though... So all his time and work estimates are automatically suspect. |
| 05:12.19 | project2501a | that is a fast turnaround |
| 05:12.47 | Arafangion | project2501a: Try doing without gnome. :) |
| 05:13.08 | project2501a | Arafangion: sure, if nvidia supported two framebuffers , i would |
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| 05:13.36 | Arafangion | The two screens are of different sizes? |
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| 05:14.07 | odinswand | whats a good program for accessing newsgroups on linux? preferably from terminal |
| 05:14.23 | project2501a | ntop? |
| 05:14.26 | nevyn | umm tin and slrn are popular |
| 05:14.28 | project2501a | tin? |
| 05:14.29 | project2501a | yeah |
| 05:14.29 | Arafangion | If so... Then yeah, you'd have to do more trial-and-error to determine which ones support it. |
| 05:14.38 | project2501a | Arafangion: yeah they are |
| 05:14.41 | odinswand | cheers |
| 05:15.08 | Arafangion | project2501a: Sometimes they don't realise that there is a "dead area", you can sometimes work around that but it's annoying. |
| 05:15.19 | Arafangion | project2501a: I *think* xfce4 should be fine. |
| 05:15.39 | project2501a | Arafangion: that is a legit question, actually: when on the console, can you start two framebuffers, so you'll have tty1 on one screen and tty2 on the other? |
| 05:15.45 | project2501a | that would rock |
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| 05:16.08 | nevyn | project2501a: yes. |
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| 05:16.21 | project2501a | nevyn: how? url? |
| 05:16.33 | Arafangion | project2501a: You can even start two X11 sessions, but with nVidia? Not sure. If you can't with nVidia, I'm sure you could with nv. |
| 05:16.54 | project2501a | no, not x |
| 05:17.03 | project2501a | let's say i don't want x |
| 05:17.11 | project2501a | i just want cli, but utilize both screens |
| 05:17.36 | Arafangion | These days, you might as well use X11. |
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| 05:17.49 | project2501a | Arafangion: that's not answering my question |
| 05:18.11 | Arafangion | project2501a: Good catch, that. :) |
| 05:18.41 | project2501a | Arafangion: yeah, ever since my last gf, i seem to be a lot mroe critical of things |
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| 05:19.35 | Arafangion | wonders why guys are always telling him NOT to get a gf. |
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| 05:20.08 | nsadmin | less competition? |
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| 05:20.25 | nevyn | by the power of google: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-14.html |
| 05:20.42 | nsadmin | what question are you asking that elicits that response? |
| 05:20.43 | project2501a | wow |
| 05:20.55 | project2501a | nsadmin: how do you automatically configure nagios |
| 05:21.01 | project2501a | ^-- question |
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| 05:21.20 | nsadmin | never tried :) |
| 05:21.30 | project2501a | i am |
| 05:21.34 | KB1JWQ | nsadmin: I'm doing it. :-) |
| 05:21.35 | nsadmin | , info nagios |
| 05:21.36 | judd | No record of package 'nagios' in lenny/i386. |
| 05:21.42 | Arafangion | nsadmin: It's probably more fun to let that question remain rectorical. :) |
| 05:21.49 | project2501a | i mean, i am trying. combo of lshw and netboot |
| 05:22.33 | nevyn | project2501a: /me uses puppet ;) |
| 05:24.01 | project2501a | yeah, but how do you connect puppet with nagios? |
| 05:24.41 | project2501a | i'm just going to casually restart the computer, now that it boots in less than 5 seconds :> |
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| 05:25.51 | sepult | hilarious, i was struggling with getting on irc with erc on emacs without having configured my /etc/network/interfaces, and the startup just showd as if all was up |
| 05:25.52 | sepult | lol |
| 05:26.52 | nevyn | project2501a: so I speak prematurely. |
| 05:26.59 | nevyn | that talks about using multiple cards... |
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| 05:27.29 | Arafangion | project2501a: Out of curiosity, which SSD do you use? |
| 05:27.35 | Arafangion | I hear that the Intel X-25 is the best. |
| 05:27.51 | KB1JWQ | Arafangion: I have a pair of those. |
| 05:27.59 | KB1JWQ | They rock. |
| 05:28.12 | Arafangion | KB1JWQ: Don't tell me that you have them in RAID-0 configuration? ;) |
| 05:28.22 | KB1JWQ | Nah, two laptops. |
| 05:28.27 | KB1JWQ | I'm not that crazy. |
| 05:28.31 | Arafangion | Nice. :) |
| 05:29.04 | Arafangion | My laptop has an SSD... But it's just teh default one Apple puts in... So probably not fantastic. |
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| 05:29.38 | project2501a | tada! |
| 05:29.51 | qq- | 25 sec |
| 05:29.54 | Arafangion | project2501a: You can register your nick, by the way, and then ghost your old nick when you join, rather than waiting for the pin timeout. :) |
| 05:30.03 | Arafangion | *ping |
| 05:31.16 | KB1JWQ | Arafangion: Yeah, these are Macbook Pros. |
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| 05:31.47 | Arafangion | KB1JWQ: WHenever someone types on those, they always complain to me how they've nearly slit their wrists. :) |
| 05:32.11 | project2501a | Arafangion: yeah i know, i'd that get some sort of bnc |
| 05:32.45 | Arafangion | KB1JWQ: You actually replace the HDD's when you buy them? |
| 05:33.01 | KB1JWQ | Arafangion: One's a work machine. :-) |
| 05:33.16 | KB1JWQ | Did it with their blessing. Worked out well enough that I did the swap on my own as well. |
| 05:33.24 | Arafangion | KB1JWQ: Mine too. :) I wouldn't get them otherwise. |
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| 05:35.01 | Macer | hello. is there an easier way to make a bootable thumb drive |
| 05:35.11 | Macer | for some reason trying to zcat the img doesn't seem to work for me |
| 05:35.18 | Macer | can i just dd a cd iso to the thumb drive? |
| 05:35.21 | Arafangion | Macer: Then you have serious issues. |
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| 05:35.37 | Arafangion | Macer: I think you're limited to 250MB. |
| 05:35.44 | Macer | Arafangion: well. i did a dd of an image for fbsd and it seems to boot. it's an artigo a1000 |
| 05:35.51 | Macer | and my usb dvd drive broke |
| 05:36.08 | Arafangion | Macer: Well, the fbsd image was probably not compressed, and it was probably smaller, too. |
| 05:36.29 | project2501a | ok, time to get my blood works done |
| 05:36.38 | xJ0rg1nhOx | could anyone tell me the channel debian Brazil? |
| 05:36.41 | Macer | Arafangion: i'm just saying htat i don't think it is a usb booting issue |
| 05:36.43 | Arafangion | fbsd is even more conservative than debian is when it comes to installers. |
| 05:36.53 | qq- | !br |
| 05:36.53 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:36.57 | Macer | for some reason the artigo won't see the usb drive as a hard drive when trying to boot like this |
| 05:36.59 | project2501a | i need a munich diagram or nagios plugin for my blood sugar |
| 05:37.31 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a way to execute non-Xorg-specific xset commands (like -b and dpms commands) without X? |
| 05:37.36 | Macer | i'm about to just plug the drive into another box.. install and reconnect |
| 05:37.40 | xJ0rg1nhOx | Thank you very much |
| 05:37.57 | qq- | np |
| 05:38.02 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: Without having X11 running at all, or simply without using X11? |
| 05:38.12 | blast_hardcheese | Without having X running at all |
| 05:38.20 | Arafangion | Doubt it. |
| 05:38.20 | KB1JWQ | Macer: Maybe bzcat? :-) |
| 05:38.37 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm. Well, that's unfortunate. |
| 05:38.48 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: Why would you bother? :) |
| 05:38.56 | Macer | i doubt it is that. it creates the partition |
| 05:39.05 | xJ0rg1nhOx | blocked the channel is invite only, same thing in Brazil |
| 05:39.09 | blast_hardcheese | I'd like to have my monitor suspend when X isn't running is why |
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| 05:39.15 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: you mean without there being an x server present? |
| 05:39.16 | Macer | i get a fat32 partition and can see the files on it.. and i copy the netinst iso over to it like the instructions say |
| 05:39.23 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: No, just running |
| 05:39.46 | blast_hardcheese | The commands are passed along to an X instance, as defined by $DISPLAY |
| 05:39.47 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: X11 is a curiosity. The drivers for your graphics cards are actually part of X11, although they can and do tend ot have kernel components as well. |
| 05:39.47 | Macer | but it just doesn't seem to want to boot... like i said tho.. i'll try this one more time and if it doesn't work i'll go to plan b and just shove the sata cable into another box and use the drive from that to install then reconnect it |
| 05:40.03 | Macer | seems to be my last option.. good thing sata cables are a little on the longer side |
| 05:40.07 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: Oh, so you *DO* have X11 running? |
| 05:40.26 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: yes, I was just getting ready to point thnat out |
| 05:40.26 | project2501a | TO ALL NICE NSA AGENTS: PLEASE STOP MESSING WITH THE KAUST FIBER CABLE. WE NEED OUR PORN. THANK YOU |
| 05:40.31 | Macer | hopefully i don't run into some stupid hard drive bios geometry issue |
| 05:40.45 | Macer | haha |
| 05:40.48 | blast_hardcheese | Arafangion: more of a reason to get into X and stay in it. I'm glad I use wmii, means I don't /really/ miss virtual terminals. |
| 05:40.58 | qq- | xJ0rg1nhOx, try on irc.oftc.net or register your nick |
| 05:40.59 | nsadmin | project2501a: there are nice nsa agents? |
| 05:41.03 | blast_hardcheese | s/wmii/tiling window managers/ |
| 05:41.13 | project2501a | nsadmin: yeah, we got a couple on KAUST |
| 05:41.21 | project2501a | well, they play nice |
| 05:41.26 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: wmii? Interesting. I currently use Awesome, the tiling window managers really do grow on you. |
| 05:41.28 | project2501a | they haven't waterboarded anybody yet |
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| 05:41.57 | blast_hardcheese | Arafangion: I tried awesome, it felt clunky |
| 05:42.23 | blast_hardcheese | Arafangion: Granted, so did wmii (and xmonad before that), but with some minor tweaks I was able to make it quite useful |
| 05:42.27 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: Yeah, I'm not impressed with its reliability either... But it's the first tiling window manager I've used - I'll probably switch soon though. |
| 05:42.46 | project2501a | enlightenment |
| 05:42.57 | Arafangion | project2501a: E16 or E17? |
| 05:42.57 | project2501a | can't be more hardcore than enlightenment |
| 05:42.59 | blast_hardcheese | I really do recommend wmii, they even package a nice gdm/3 session script |
| 05:43.00 | project2501a | 18 |
| 05:43.14 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: I should give that a go for the next switch, then. :) |
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| 05:43.27 | Arafangion | project2501a: We aren't in the 22nd century yet, aren't we? |
| 05:43.38 | qq- | Macer, flash don't boot if it is 32 bit , have to keep his vendor 16 bit state |
| 05:43.52 | project2501a | Arafangion: easily fixable: man touch |
| 05:43.53 | tcr | I'm on Debian lenny, and I'd like to install bash 4.x which is in unstable and testing; what's the best way to do that? |
| 05:43.54 | blast_hardcheese | I should finish rewriting wmii in Python |
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| 05:44.01 | project2501a | ok, people enough with offtopic |
| 05:44.17 | project2501a | back to work! we got those ubuntu spoonfeeders to beat |
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| 05:44.24 | blast_hardcheese | s/,(\s*\w)/$1,/ |
| 05:44.27 | zu22 | how can i setup my apache2 instance (debian squeeze) on my box (1 ip) so that i can serve multiple website domains (foo.org, bar.org etc.)? |
| 05:44.30 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: Why rewrite it just for the sake of a different language? |
| 05:44.59 | nsadmin | tcr: probably build it in your home dir... it's not going to be a good thing to make it the system-wide shell |
| 05:45.06 | blast_hardcheese | Arafangion: one of my major gripes with wmii is there's a lot of ambiguous stuff in the config script, since it's written in bash |
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| 05:45.17 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: *shudder*... REWRITE! |
| 05:45.23 | blast_hardcheese | exactly. |
| 05:45.30 | tcr | nsdadmin: I do need it to be system wide |
| 05:45.38 | blast_hardcheese | And yet, of all the tiling window managers I've tried, it's still the nicest. |
| 05:45.44 | nsadmin | for what reason? |
| 05:45.50 | blast_hardcheese | written by the good folks over at suckless.org |
| 05:46.00 | Arafangion | Nice domain name. |
| 05:46.10 | tcr | nsadmin: I wrote a script that others are supposed to use and it depends on features found in bash 4.x |
| 05:46.36 | blast_hardcheese | I have to say I'm impressed with their work. Check out "ii", it's a POSIX IRC client |
| 05:46.42 | blast_hardcheese | uses fifo |
| 05:46.47 | Macer | nm. got it |
| 05:46.48 | Macer | installing now :) |
| 05:46.50 | Arafangion | How is it different to irssi? |
| 05:46.51 | blast_hardcheese | *uses fifo's for everything |
| 05:47.06 | nsadmin | others are supposed to use on their own machine? |
| 05:47.16 | tcr | No it's a shared machine |
| 05:47.18 | nsadmin | why depend on the features? |
| 05:47.27 | blast_hardcheese | Arafangion: It populates a directory with directories corresponding to what servers you are connected to, which in turn have channel directories in them ;) |
| 05:47.35 | tcr | Why not? |
| 05:47.54 | nsadmin | because you might break your system by upgrading it |
| 05:48.19 | tcr | I'm wondering if there's a way to install it side-by-side |
| 05:48.41 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: The websites that talk about it are intruging... But I'm one of those people who just don't like to spend much time configuring things. |
| 05:48.54 | blast_hardcheese | Arafangion: Which, wmii? |
| 05:48.55 | nsadmin | you're not going to want to put it anywhere debian packaging has control |
| 05:49.17 | Arafangion | blast_hardcheese: Generally, if I use a package, I expect it to just work well in a reasonable fashion without configuration. If i like it, then I may configure it later. |
| 05:49.33 | nsadmin | install it in /usr/local, then your script would have #!/usr/local/bin/bash |
| 05:50.24 | tcr | That makes sense; now what's the best way to do it? Download the .deb and install manually? |
| 05:50.39 | nsadmin | no, build bash from source |
| 05:50.43 | blast_hardcheese | Arafangion: Reasonable |
| 05:51.10 | Arafangion | Arguably, probably best to install bash in /usr/local, adjust your $PATH so that /usr/local is referenced first, and have your script use #!/usr/bin/env bash |
| 05:51.12 | qq- | nsadmin, and it will take precedence to system ..., |
| 05:51.49 | sepult | beware |
| 05:51.50 | nsadmin | qq-: which we don't want |
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| 05:52.15 | nsadmin | I think the main thing is /bin/sh not be messed with |
| 05:52.16 | qq- | yes, but /usr/local will do |
| 05:52.53 | tcr | I could rename the binary to bash4 |
| 05:53.01 | nsadmin | most scripts call their interpreters by their absolute location |
| 05:53.37 | sepult | i installed bash-4.0 on /usr/local and even mentioned to put that path at then end of my PATH for the userid=0 and to put that path on the front of PATH for userid=1000 even then i got problems, not maybe with bash now but certainly with perl and perl modules which were also installed in /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/share/perl and they always shadowed the system perl's libs and modules |
| 05:53.53 | nsadmin | and if a bash is installed in /usr/local and that ends up screwing things up, I'd say that's an official, reportable debian bug |
| 05:54.30 | zu22 | how can i setup my apache2 instance (debian squeeze) on my box (1 ip) so that i can serve multiple website domains (foo.org, bar.org etc.)? |
| 05:55.00 | sepult | for just one binary it won't make a difference much, as that's just a matter of setting up PATH accordingly, but when there are things like libs and modules installed in /usr/local where do you adjust LIB for that in debian ? |
| 05:55.15 | peterrooney | sepult: path is read left to right |
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| 05:56.07 | sepult | peterrooney: don't make me angry |
| 05:56.12 | qq- | heh |
| 05:56.33 | nsadmin | there is a variable for that |
| 05:56.45 | qq- | !beer sepult |
| 05:56.45 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Yuengling Lager for sepult |
| 05:57.18 | sepult | a ta santè |
| 05:57.24 | sepult | lol |
| 05:57.30 | qq- | pareil |
| 05:59.17 | sepult | what i did was compile the temporary stuff for /tools of LFS ito /usr instead of /tools |
| 05:59.23 | sepult | err /usr/local |
| 05:59.50 | sepult | s/usr/"usr/local"/ |
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| 06:00.44 | sepult | and i also compiled stuff like ZThreads and gc6.8 there |
| 06:01.26 | sepult | the first problem i got with was the XML::SAX:: modules of perl |
| 06:01.34 | sepult | till i read the docs of debian |
| 06:02.00 | peepsalot | i have a laptop with a broken backlight that i would like to install debian on, and use as a headless box. i can still kinda see the screen, but I would like to do the majority of the setup over ssh or serial or something like this. what would be the best way to go about this? |
| 06:02.42 | nevyn | peepsalot: for the initial install you could always use an external screen but there's a debian installer option to do setup via ssh |
| 06:03.03 | nevyn | so debian installer supports installs over ssh |
| 06:03.15 | sepult | yes |
| 06:03.33 | nevyn | but you have to get networking up and running etc. and set a root password (and maybe create a user account) before it can do it. |
| 06:04.09 | sepult | if you have a cd of debian 5.0 it shows you in the expert mode menu |
| 06:04.33 | qq- | nevyn, installer do all that if choose ssh install |
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| 06:05.19 | peepsalot | how do people typically set up a headless server? don't some of them only have serial port, and no graphics? |
| 06:05.30 | nevyn | you can do that. |
| 06:06.28 | qq- | peepsalot, no soket for external display ? |
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| 06:07.18 | peepsalot | actually, it has something, i'm still not sure whether it's serial or vga. i was also just curious how that works |
| 06:07.40 | qq- | is vga |
| 06:07.44 | nevyn | peepsalot: you can do serial terminal with a cable to another computer reasonably easilly. |
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| 06:08.43 | peepsalot | it also has what looks like s-video and some sort of docking station port, neither of which i have adapters for |
| 06:09.16 | qq- | peepsalot, try external display first .. |
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| 06:10.08 | nevyn | peepsalot: if you can deal with it for 5 minutes or so you can start the installer get the networking and hostname and stuff configured then continue the install via ssh |
| 06:13.11 | b0nghitter | how do i force purge config files from removed packages? |
| 06:13.31 | blast_hardcheese | b0nghitter: aptitude purge <package> |
| 06:13.40 | b0nghitter | ah ok thanks |
| 06:13.45 | peepsalot | oh, heh. yeah external display works. i don't know why i assumed i would have to do something crazy. i guess I kinda wanted to tinker with it, but it's probably not worth the effort just to say "oh, neat" |
| 06:13.49 | b0nghitter | can i do it form inside aptitude? |
| 06:14.11 | b0nghitter | from |
| 06:14.12 | blast_hardcheese | b0nghitter: Probably, but I hate the aptitude "ui", I just do everything from the command line. |
| 06:14.22 | blast_hardcheese | s/"ui"/ui/ |
| 06:14.29 | blast_hardcheese | thought about that again after saying it |
| 06:15.29 | peepsalot | now i just gotta pick which version i want, decisions decisions |
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| 06:16.12 | rozie | hello. In Squeeze, how to disable IPv6 in Java? I'm using sun-java6-jre 6.20-dlj-1 from repo and get strange errors in Iceweasel |
| 06:16.22 | rozie | load: class VncViewer.class not found. |
| 06:16.36 | rozie | Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Network is unreachable |
| 06:17.14 | craigevil | !java ipv6 |
| 06:17.14 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. This issue is not present on Lenny. |
| 06:18.19 | rozie | craigevil: thx :) |
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| 06:27.29 | BlackWeb | I was just wondering I added debian.org to my repository and now then it comes with the error of needing to be verified with a public key, does anyone know where to download it from so I can import it |
| 06:29.11 | dutchfish | BlackWeb: have you installed debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 06:30.25 | BlackWeb | no I just added http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian to my software sources and its giving me that error |
| 06:30.38 | dutchfish | BlackWeb: wel the: aptitud einstall debian-archive-keyring |
| 06:30.49 | dutchfish | BlackWeb: wel then: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 06:31.01 | dutchfish | sorry for typos |
| 06:31.04 | BlackWeb | I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 and wanted to have it look there for libraries, Alright I'll give that a try |
| 06:31.35 | BlackWeb | Alright its downloading now |
| 06:31.51 | dutchfish | BlackWeb: but dont mix, ubuntu is not debian |
| 06:31.51 | BlackWeb | so after then it shouldn't come up with the error |
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| 06:31.57 | dutchfish | yeh |
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| 06:32.31 | BlackWeb | dutchfish: Alright, Thanks for your help |
| 06:32.36 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 06:34.43 | Macer | awesome. debian installed. have to go tweaking the fresh install a bit but shouldn't take long |
| 06:34.53 | Macer | and set up bind.. which hopefully isn't too much of a pain |
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| 06:37.46 | qq- | peepsalot, my laptop ;) http://144.85.45.206/lap-router.jpg |
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| 06:38.00 | SnakDoc | Is there a program that would let me monitor my bandwidth and set a start and end date i like to see ussage of |
| 06:38.18 | peepsalot | qq-, nice :-) |
| 06:38.25 | fxiny | vnstat ? |
| 06:38.54 | SnakDoc | fxiny: it does for a month have that installed |
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| 06:39.25 | SnakDoc | my internet rest on 16 thats reason i need to say range i want to see |
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| 06:40.31 | fxiny | SnakDoc: no ranges . daily monthly hourly and so on |
| 06:40.52 | SnakDoc | i saying do you know of anything that offeres range |
| 06:41.03 | SnakDoc | vnstat is best i have used yet but still looking |
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| 06:43.30 | dutchfish | SnakDoc: have you peaked at munin? it has daily, weekly, monthly, yearly stats per default |
| 06:43.53 | fxiny | SnakDoc : no idea , you can use awk to work out a montly range form vnstat -d output |
| 06:44.11 | SnakDoc | will take a look and try |
| 06:44.42 | fxiny | being vnstat output a list |
| 06:45.23 | dutchfish | SnakDoc: nagios3 is another option, but for i/o you have prolly to right a little plug yourself, bandwidth is supported |
| 06:45.27 | Macer | hm |
| 06:45.58 | SnakDoc | i see what i can do just need to come up with something |
| 06:46.53 | dutchfish | SnakDoc: both are flexible enough to mold it to your needs |
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| 06:49.20 | skrewler | im running into a most likely very simple problem .. trying to install something from source that doesn't have a .deb made but it's running into dep issues http://pastebin.com/WpPRdj9A |
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| 06:50.17 | dutchfish | skrewler: you need to resolve the build deps |
| 06:50.34 | dutchfish | skrewler: for dbus-glib-1 and hunspell |
| 06:50.49 | skrewler | yes. how? i'm new to debian, why aren't those in the path |
| 06:50.57 | dutchfish | skrewler: a sec |
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| 06:51.58 | dutchfish | skrewler: you need to install libhunspell-dev and libdbus-glib-1-dev prolly |
| 06:52.09 | skrewler | thx ill try it |
| 06:53.08 | SnakDoc | thanks for the help everyone think i maybe able to get what i need |
| 06:53.25 | sachith__ | Hi.. I want to install debian in my system.. I heard about "lenny" , "squeeze", stable version .... which one i have to download? |
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| 06:53.44 | dutchfish | sachith__: lenny / stable |
| 06:53.46 | fxiny | skrewler: compiling from source in debian is easy , maybe not recommended but easy : when in trouble search for missing_lib-dev |
| 06:53.52 | skrewler | dutchfish: thank you thank you, i spent over an hour setting different lib paths to ./configure before i came here and it was that easy |
| 06:54.02 | dutchfish | skrewler: yw ;) |
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| 06:55.39 | dutchfish | skrewler: also consider checkinstall (for quick and dirty debian packaging) |
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| 06:56.15 | skrewler | ah yes, i remember that tool from looong ago in my slackware days |
| 06:56.19 | skrewler | it works for deb.. cool |
| 06:56.23 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 07:13.00 | NathanW | I have a question pertaining to debian vmware and if its even posible or worth doing.. what I'd like to do is have one server with my Raid Storage aray setup as nas and pxe boot server, then on a secound server with no hdd's have it boot via pxe from the raid aray, boot debian with vmware server setup so i can run about 10vm debian servers off of it.. one is this posible? two if so can you point me in the direction of some documenta |
| 07:13.47 | NathanW | or is there a better way to do this ? |
| 07:14.46 | dutchfish | NathanW: also ist possible i would not recommend it because of the overhead on boot and while running, i would choose kvm to boot over gpxe chaining the 2nd server. From there you start your vm with a backend over iscsi or nfs. |
| 07:15.39 | dutchfish | NathanW: alternatifely would be to setup a xen envirenment with the same backend options |
| 07:16.14 | cast | anything not involving vmware is a better way |
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| 07:17.20 | dutchfish | NathanW: i am succesfully running the same setup under kvm atm |
| 07:19.06 | Caelum | something is starting amarok when I plug in my ipod, I don't want that |
| 07:21.02 | NathanW | dutchfish: Nice, what happend is I recently got a proliant ML350 G3 with dual 2.4ghz xeon dual core's with 2 gigs of memory, and 4 150gig hdds, then the proliant DL380 G2 with dualing 1.4 p3's, and i thought this is a way i can get rid of like 4 dual 500mhx boxes lol and just go virtual, do you have a link to documentation on how to set that kind of setup? |
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| 07:21.06 | cast | its proprietary night in #debian! |
| 07:21.09 | dutchfish | Caelum: there is an option inside amarok2 to disable usb mounted devices when automounted, but apart from that amarok2 does nothing with them unless you explicitly use dirs from them in the search content options. |
| 07:22.13 | cast | you're going to run 10 VMs on a box with 2GB of memory? |
| 07:22.46 | cast | if i were doing that i'd go for something a bit more lightweight like vserver |
| 07:22.59 | NathanW | if its a lab setup with no users load why not? |
| 07:23.17 | rozie | first of all, I'd rather not use one machine for this setup |
| 07:23.24 | NathanW | my average load on a p pro dual 133mhz box with 256 meg ram is 0.01 ? |
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| 07:23.37 | dutchfish | NathanW: also you need quiet some links but http://wiki.debian.org/KVM and http://etherboot.org/dokuwiki-2009-02-14/pxechaining are a good start |
| 07:23.43 | rozie | in case of hardware failure it's better to have one system down, not 10 |
| 07:24.14 | NathanW | again lab box with no users and a home lab at that lol |
| 07:24.18 | cast | so what are all these boxes doing? |
| 07:24.20 | dutchfish | NathanW: about the load, sure |
| 07:24.46 | dutchfish | NathanW: that will change if you actually running some vm's on it ;) |
| 07:24.57 | NathanW | i'm expiermenting basicly i had a thought try this out so just kinda diving in to learn somthing new just was a thought and just wanted to get some pointers in the right direction |
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| 07:25.28 | cast | points away from vmware |
| 07:25.38 | dutchfish | NathanW: well, welcome to the exiting world of linux virtualisation :) |
| 07:25.42 | NathanW | :-) |
| 07:25.44 | rozie | NathanW: take a look at http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 07:25.45 | Caelum | dutchfish: it's some gnome option or something, not sure where to change it, just uninstalled amarok anyway |
| 07:26.07 | dutchfish | Caelum: oh, i was referring to amarok2 |
| 07:26.23 | cast | kvm, vserver, uml, xen all worth looking at and understanding the differences as they are all very much different |
| 07:26.39 | dutchfish | cast: true |
| 07:26.47 | NathanW | thanks much everyone |
| 07:26.54 | Caelum | dutchfish: I'm guessing gnome launches it for me for some reason |
| 07:27.23 | dutchfish | Caelum: yeh, that might be it, cant help you with that however, i am using kde |
| 07:27.46 | rozie | it's just system for managing kvm and other vm with multi hardware support, live migration, backup and so on. |
| 07:28.17 | rozie | it means you can migrate whole system with one click from one hardware machine to another |
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| 07:28.34 | NathanW | thats basicly what i wanted to be able to do end case senario |
| 07:28.37 | dutchfish | NathanW: aqemu is also a nice one or virtmanager |
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| 07:28.56 | dutchfish | NathanW: it depends on your needs |
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| 07:34.39 | sachith__ | which one is better "debian stable" or "weekly-builds" ? |
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| 07:35.16 | dutchfish | sachith__: use stable, unless you have the expertise to coop with bugs |
| 07:35.52 | dutchfish | !tell sachith__ about netinstall |
| 07:35.58 | sachith__ | which one is better "KDE" or GNO |
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| 07:36.04 | sachith__ | *GNOME |
| 07:36.26 | sachith__ | netinstall?? |
| 07:36.47 | dutchfish | sachith__: yes |
| 07:37.04 | sachith__ | is it from weekly builds? |
| 07:37.36 | dutchfish | sachith__: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 07:38.33 | dutchfish | sachith__: and use this for stable install http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 07:38.38 | sachith__ | ok.. i think its from stable version right? |
| 07:38.47 | sachith__ | ok.. |
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| 07:54.45 | NathanW | One question, for the xeon dual core 5000 series cpu it says it is 64 bit however will not boot debian amd64, is it a diffrent architecture? |
| 07:55.16 | dutchfish | NathanW: if it is really 64bit it should boot amd64 |
| 07:55.53 | dutchfish | NathanW: but i thought the ML350 G3 is 32 bit |
| 07:56.08 | NathanW | leme doubble check the cpus quick but ya i think its 64 |
| 07:56.15 | dutchfish | NathanW: okidoki |
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| 08:00.18 | NathanW | http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Compaq-PROCESSOR-XEON-4-2-4-512-400-PROCESSOR-WITH-HEATSINK-290558-001 |
| 08:01.18 | krisfremen | is there an app to convert text to images? |
| 08:01.28 | rozie | NathanW: can you give output of cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 08:01.44 | NathanW | havent got debian installed on it as of yet.. |
| 08:02.11 | krisfremen | i'm looking for a way to transfer text(ebooks) to pictures.. i found some windows apps for this, so i'm curious if there are any linux apps out there |
| 08:02.12 | rozie | can be any liveCD linux... |
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| 08:02.39 | NathanW | crap sec der sorry its a bit late brain moving a little slowly at this point lol leme boot it up and take a look |
| 08:02.47 | dutchfish | NathanW: you can look it up in integrated management as well, was it called ELO? |
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| 08:05.54 | dutchfish | krisfremen: if it is plain text, latex and friends might be your answer, you can even produce pdf from it. |
| 08:06.09 | krisfremen | i don't need pdf |
| 08:06.31 | krisfremen | i need to fit text into a specific size of an image |
| 08:06.35 | krisfremen | say 320x400 |
| 08:06.51 | dutchfish | ghostcript it then |
| 08:07.02 | dutchfish | ghostscript* |
| 08:07.31 | krisfremen | lemme look into that |
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| 08:08.24 | mentor | latex is a typesetting system |
| 08:08.27 | mentor | It can produce images |
| 08:08.34 | dutchfish | mentor: yes |
| 08:08.51 | mentor | ghostscript is a postscript interpreter |
| 08:09.07 | mentor | It doesn't work as an end user interface |
| 08:09.54 | dutchfish | mentor: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/cvs/Devices.htm |
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| 08:10.31 | mentor | Yes. |
| 08:10.33 | dutchfish | mentor: it depends what mentor mean by text |
| 08:10.44 | dutchfish | but i would prefer latex |
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| 08:11.03 | krisfremen | by text i mean plain ascii files |
| 08:11.16 | dutchfish | then latex and freinds |
| 08:13.59 | dutchfish | krisfremen: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Export_To_Other_Formats#Convert_to_image_formats |
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| 08:14.19 | mentor | Use a good font |
| 08:14.28 | mentor | Not that there are any good LaTeX fonts |
| 08:15.03 | AimHere | Nobody was ever fired for picking Times New Roman |
| 08:15.12 | dutchfish | ehe |
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| 08:16.37 | krisfremen | a2ps seems like it will do the job |
| 08:17.08 | AimHere | imagemagick has some utils that can take text and add it to any image file you care to name |
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| 08:18.56 | cusco | what can I do when "Accessing a corrupted shared library" kernel panic? |
| 08:19.02 | mentor | AimHere: Except if they worked at a design agency |
| 08:19.36 | cusco | trying to chroot in, also corrupted shared lib |
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| 08:20.54 | dutchfish | cusco: what debian version and what kernel are you running, and what is the name of the corrupted module? |
| 08:22.00 | cusco | dutchfish: I was upgrading lenny to squeeze, udev instalation errored out, so I left it alone for a cofee.. before I had a chance to come and read some more (as I just did) a power failure rebooted the machine |
| 08:22.13 | peepsalot | i just did a fresh install of debian, and would like to switch to unstable. i tried replacing lenny with sid in sources.list, but some of the repos don't exists when i do that |
| 08:22.18 | cusco | dutchfish: it doesn't boot, and I am on a live cd, but I can't chroot into it neither |
| 08:22.41 | cusco | /bin/bash - trying to access a corrupted library |
| 08:23.08 | dutchfish | cusco: ok, first thing, is your initrd there for the kernel just installed by the upgrade? is your grub stansa correct? |
| 08:23.35 | dutchfish | cusco: are you at grub or grub2? |
| 08:23.39 | cusco | grub2 |
| 08:23.45 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:23.48 | cusco | grub stanza is fine, it tryes to boot fine |
| 08:24.08 | cusco | its when running init scripts that it fails after stepping out of initrd |
| 08:24.09 | dutchfish | cusco: have you tried to save boot already? |
| 08:24.12 | cusco | yes |
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| 08:24.49 | cusco | see, with chroot, I cannot call no ps, ls, who nothing, always a shared lib is corrupted |
| 08:24.54 | cusco | would it be libc ? |
| 08:25.40 | dutchfish | cusco: then most likely your initrd is hosed up, try recreating it by update-initramfs -u -k [kernlversion] (the one thats installed by the upgrade procedure) |
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| 08:26.01 | dutchfish | cusco: while chrooted i that is |
| 08:26.13 | cusco | dutchfish: I can't get hold of a chroot, can I do that from live cd? |
| 08:26.38 | dutchfish | cusco: if you have a recent live cd yes, from that chroot in |
| 08:26.58 | cusco | I can't chroot in |
| 08:27.13 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 08:27.31 | cusco | I just tryied to tell you 3 times, the corrupted shared lib, preventes me from chrooting in |
| 08:28.01 | dutchfish | cusco: calm down, that wont help. can you give some info about what lib? |
| 08:28.07 | cusco | can I run it here and copy the initrd file? |
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| 08:28.15 | cusco | dutchfish: the error does not specify |
| 08:28.20 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:28.24 | mikolapiz | hi all |
| 08:28.39 | cusco | dutchfish: but from any command ran, as who, ps, ls, dpkg, bash, sh |
| 08:28.50 | cusco | so whats the lib common to all? glibc ?? |
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| 08:29.15 | cusco | I meant libc.so.6 ??? |
| 08:29.22 | dutchfish | that could be |
| 08:29.31 | dutchfish | but |
| 08:29.46 | cusco | or ld-linux or linux-gate |
| 08:29.49 | dutchfish | it might as well, that your initrd is hosed up, preventing you from boot |
| 08:29.50 | cusco | Im trying to check with ldd |
| 08:29.58 | dutchfish | yes |
| 08:30.07 | cusco | dutchfish: it would not prevent me from chrooting in.. would it? |
| 08:30.15 | dutchfish | either way you will have abi conflicts |
| 08:30.22 | cusco | abi? |
| 08:30.24 | dutchfish | yes it would |
| 08:30.39 | cusco | initrd takes process in chrooting? |
| 08:30.43 | dutchfish | if the wrong stuff is in initrd (the old stuff) |
| 08:30.51 | dutchfish | no |
| 08:31.37 | cusco | well initrd is for kernel 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 08:31.48 | cusco | upgrade to testing specifes I need a 2.6.27 |
| 08:31.59 | dutchfish | and this was lenny->testing or oldstable->lenny? |
| 08:32.11 | cusco | sorry, stable->testing |
| 08:32.21 | dutchfish | you need 2.6.30 or 2.6.32 |
| 08:32.25 | cusco | it was not on purpose, I forgot I had testing sources there |
| 08:32.34 | dutchfish | np |
| 08:32.38 | cusco | thing is, if I can't chroot in, I can't do anything |
| 08:32.53 | cusco | :( |
| 08:33.39 | dutchfish | if you have a dif machine with the same arch, you could deboostrap a squeeze system and copy that over |
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| 08:33.56 | dutchfish | at least for the parts that are suspects |
| 08:34.05 | dutchfish | asuming its not hardware |
| 08:34.29 | cusco | its not |
| 08:34.41 | Fawkes | Have you run fdisk since the power failure? |
| 08:34.42 | cusco | thats too much |
| 08:34.47 | cusco | I will just copy files and reinstall |
| 08:34.52 | cusco | :( |
| 08:34.59 | cusco | Fawkes: yes |
| 08:35.05 | cusco | in the live cd tho |
| 08:35.16 | Fawkes | Good enough. |
| 08:35.17 | dutchfish | Fawkes: even when he didnt that wouldnt prevent chroot in |
| 08:35.17 | cusco | Fawkes: in order to mount |
| 08:35.49 | dutchfish | oh wait |
| 08:35.49 | cusco | "accessing a corrupted shared library" |
| 08:35.57 | Fawkes | dutchfish: If a core library is corrupted as the result of an FS error, I imagine it would. |
| 08:35.57 | dutchfish | what fs is there in? |
| 08:35.58 | cusco | same error on booting and chrooting |
| 08:36.05 | cusco | ext3 |
| 08:36.24 | cusco | no hw problem.. |
| 08:37.00 | dutchfish | mmm... i suggest a copy of a debootstrapped squeeze for at least /bin |
| 08:37.15 | cusco | nevermind, I will reinstall |
| 08:37.26 | dutchfish | or that |
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| 08:37.50 | cga | hi all |
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| 08:37.53 | cga | !seen mind |
| 08:37.53 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mind', cga |
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| 08:38.25 | Fawkes | cusco: For each library mentioned in ldd for bash, you could backup the original and replace it from one on the LiveCD |
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| 08:39.01 | cusco | could I? |
| 08:39.27 | Fawkes | I don't see why not. Do them one at a time. If you can't chroot in after a replacement - restore the backed up one and move onto the next. |
| 08:39.34 | cusco | ok.. |
| 08:39.43 | cusco | where are libs at? /var/lib ? |
| 08:39.49 | dutchfish | Fawkes: on a dist-upgrade and a crash, there can be more broken then we are aware of, a reinstall (how much i dont like it) is the best option |
| 08:39.51 | Fawkes | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.57 | cusco | ok |
| 08:40.19 | Fawkes | dutchfish: Quite likely, yes. |
| 08:40.31 | Fawkes | The safest bet is a reinstall. |
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| 08:41.01 | Fawkes | Backing up /etc and /var if there's any important configs or data there. |
| 08:41.11 | dutchfish | and /home |
| 08:41.47 | Fawkes | Oh yeah. Personal data. Always handy. |
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| 08:42.47 | dutchfish | it can be resuced, but it would take a big efford, to make sure all errors are straightened out |
| 08:43.17 | cusco | worked |
| 08:43.20 | dutchfish | i gues thats not worth it, as long as backups ar emade |
| 08:43.21 | cusco | ld-linux |
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| 08:44.09 | dutchfish | cusco: you have a booting system now? |
| 08:45.01 | cusco | dunno yet, I can chroot, so I will try and use apt to finish the upgrade first, try to boot etc |
| 08:45.09 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:45.10 | xx1 | this is when samhain/tripwire comes in handy =p rescan/check and find out which files changed |
| 08:45.30 | dutchfish | xx1: very good point, at to that etckeeper |
| 08:45.31 | cusco | or not.. |
| 08:45.40 | cusco | method http has died unexpectedly |
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| 08:45.43 | dutchfish | s/at/add |
| 08:45.59 | Fawkes | cusco: Do you have network connectivity configured? |
| 08:46.04 | cusco | ah |
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| 08:46.15 | cusco | piung dumps core |
| 08:46.16 | cusco | lol |
| 08:46.24 | cusco | some other lib probably |
| 08:46.33 | Fawkes | I'd say that reinstall is looking the better option. |
| 08:46.36 | dutchfish | \o/ |
| 08:46.40 | Fawkes | You could hunt dead library all day. |
| 08:46.44 | cusco | yes |
| 08:46.44 | Fawkes | *libraries |
| 08:46.48 | cusco | you are right |
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| 08:47.28 | Fawkes | I don't suppose Debian keeps a hash of every file it installs, does it? |
| 08:47.45 | dutchfish | mumbles, and thats why we need backups |
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| 08:51.09 | peterrooney | Fawkes: if you install debsums, it can (though installation-generated files are exempt) |
| 08:51.32 | Fawkes | Right. Thanks. |
| 08:51.57 | peterrooney | Fawkes: most packages have md5sums for all files, some do not. debsums can be set to generate md5s for newly installed packages. |
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| 08:54.15 | Fawkes | peterrooney: Thanks. |
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| 08:56.09 | SparFux | Hi! You think it would be easy to install Debian on this: http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/archos+7+home+tablet?refcampaign_id=8f14e45fceea167a5a36dedd4bea2543 |
| 08:56.57 | holycow | heh |
| 08:57.09 | holycow | everything seems supported, who knows |
| 08:57.31 | holycow | problem with trying to guess is one never knows what sort of quirk there might be to get in the way |
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| 08:58.57 | xx1 | that picture looks so wrong... |
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| 08:59.43 | xx1 | there's no ARM version of vista/win7 afaik |
| 08:59.58 | project2501b | hey guys, i got a vendor trying to sell me fibrechannel drives |
| 09:00.07 | project2501b | what's the adv/disadv of fc ? |
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| 09:00.20 | project2501b | why not sas? |
| 09:01.02 | Fawkes | xx1: Could be rdesktop ;) |
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| 09:03.09 | epsilon | sas is just a single bus, FC is for entire storage system |
| 09:03.23 | SparFux | xx1: yeah funny. They suggest Windows 7 on ARM9 machine? |
| 09:04.08 | SparFux | Drawback is, the device is no usb host. So I guess I can only plug it into my computer, but not use USB sticks or the like without special adapters. |
| 09:04.57 | xx1 | it comes with android 1.5, which is way old btw |
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| 09:06.00 | SparFux | xx1: I'd like to put debian on there anyways. |
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| 09:06.24 | SparFux | but no usb host and only crap wall power charge is sad thing. I'd like to be able to charge over usb, too. |
| 09:07.01 | xx1 | pretty weird requirement i must say |
| 09:07.02 | xx1 | =/ |
| 09:07.54 | SparFux | xx1: you mean it's weird that I recommend that? |
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| 09:09.01 | xx1 | it's being sold as a "tablet" no tablets can be charged by usb, well except the ipad |
| 09:09.03 | tombs | Hi all...I'm facing some problems to "load" some websites. Is that maybe with dns server? I mean /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 09:09.43 | holycow | tombs: how did you get on irc? |
| 09:09.48 | xx1 | =] |
| 09:09.50 | SparFux | xx1: aha, ok. then I have to accept this. But it's no usb host. That should be with other tablets, no? |
| 09:09.55 | holycow | if you logged on via irc.freenode.org your dns resolution is fine |
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| 09:10.27 | tombs | holycow: I can access some sites, but in some not. But I know for sure, that the website is not down |
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| 09:10.44 | holycow | if you can access some sites your resolv.conf is fine |
| 09:10.51 | Fawkes | tombs: Are you using Iceweasel, by any chance? |
| 09:10.55 | holycow | change your name server in resolv.conf to something more reliable maybe |
| 09:10.56 | NathanW | so much for that raid controler i finaly found some hardware that debian dont support LOL |
| 09:11.06 | tombs | Fawkes: yes :) |
| 09:11.08 | holycow | google some open dns servers there are lots out there |
| 09:11.24 | holycow | i.e. you got it right, its resolv.conf that manages that :) |
| 09:11.35 | xx1 | how about parental control :P |
| 09:11.45 | tombs | no way |
| 09:11.48 | tombs | :D |
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| 09:12.09 | Fawkes | How about - Firefox/ Iceweasel and a temperamental devil at times... |
| 09:12.12 | xx1 | SparFux: i don't know really |
| 09:12.18 | Fawkes | *can be a |
| 09:13.00 | tombs | Fawkes: I just tryed with epiphany, and it doesn't work |
| 09:13.11 | Fawkes | Ok. Rules out FF. |
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| 09:13.23 | Fawkes | Can you try pinging the site from a terminal? |
| 09:13.29 | Fawkes | That should test/ rule out DNS resolution |
| 09:13.47 | tombs | Fawkes: could you please try it? www.duikkaart.nl |
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| 09:14.06 | Fawkes | tombs: Site appears to be operational. |
| 09:14.14 | tombs | :( |
| 09:14.44 | xx1 | spammer |
| 09:14.49 | xx1 | =d |
| 09:14.52 | tombs | w00t? |
| 09:15.21 | xx1 | site opens here |
| 09:15.49 | tombs | I'm trying for a week already |
| 09:15.50 | xx1 | im being greeted by a sexy women trying to get me to call this 0900-number |
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| 09:16.04 | tombs | than is the wrong site dude :D |
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| 09:16.19 | Fawkes | I get a browser warning. |
| 09:16.38 | holycow | tombs: do you get anything at all? |
| 09:16.38 | Fawkes | (I don't think they support Chrome) |
| 09:16.48 | holycow | well ie6 only |
| 09:16.49 | holycow | lol |
| 09:17.14 | xx1 | it opens in ff |
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| 09:17.39 | Fawkes | tombs: Can you open a terminal window, and try: nslookup www.duikkaart.nl |
| 09:17.53 | NathanW | has anyone gotten debian to run on a proliant ml350 g3 with out swapping the raid controler? |
| 09:17.56 | tombs | holycow: no....blank! |
| 09:18.12 | Fawkes | Blank? Not even an error? |
| 09:18.26 | tombs | nop |
| 09:18.29 | holycow | tombs, in all browsers? opera? |
| 09:18.33 | tombs | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.47 | tombs | holycow: not tryed opera yet |
| 09:18.59 | Fawkes | Doesn't sound like a DNS error at all. Maybe they've blocked you or your ISP? |
| 09:19.05 | xx1 | tombs: put 8.8.8.8 in your ersolv.conf and re-do nslookup |
| 09:19.30 | xx1 | err, host host <www....> |
| 09:19.59 | Fawkes | tombs: Your DNS resolution is fine. That's the right IP for that host. |
| 09:20.34 | tombs | Fawkes: than I'm blind and lost :) |
| 09:20.34 | holycow | i'm betting his ff is messed up. tombs after you follow the above suggestions (they are right on the money) move your .mozilla dir out of the way and try again. and try opera as well |
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| 09:21.05 | xx1 | how did u guys conclude it's ff's fault? |
| 09:21.14 | Fawkes | holycow: He said he tried with epiphany and got the same result. |
| 09:21.27 | xx1 | is surprised |
| 09:21.29 | holycow | epiphany uses gecko rendering engine |
| 09:21.45 | Fawkes | WebKit, I thought. |
| 09:21.49 | holycow | not sure if it uses .moz or .epi or whatever |
| 09:21.55 | xx1 | tombs: cd /tmp && wget http://www.duikkaart.nl/ |
| 09:21.56 | holycow | epi switched to webkit? when? |
| 09:21.58 | holycow | wow |
| 09:22.30 | Fawkes | Yeah. Apparently they switched. |
| 09:22.39 | holycow | wow |
| 09:22.46 | holycow | they did, thanks for the heads up |
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| 09:23.40 | Fawkes | tombs: Can you install LiveHTTPHeaders for FF? |
| 09:23.57 | Fawkes | Should see if a request is getting out and some kind of response is being received. |
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| 09:24.41 | Fawkes | Do you have a proxy server? |
| 09:25.07 | xx1 | ok, wget works |
| 09:25.14 | tombs | no proxy servers |
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| 09:25.29 | Fawkes | Not even a transparent one? |
| 09:25.47 | tombs | nop |
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| 09:25.59 | Fawkes | Ok |
| 09:26.11 | tombs | mozilla-livehttpheaders installed |
| 09:26.31 | Fawkes | Sweet. Enable them from the tools menu, and try accessing the site again. |
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| 09:28.34 | SparFux | Can linux be a USB "host adapter" itself? Like I plug two usb clients into my desktop computer and have one be the host for another? |
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| 09:28.59 | tombs | Fawkes: nop :( |
| 09:29.15 | Fawkes | What happened? |
| 09:29.20 | tombs | the same |
| 09:29.21 | tombs | loop |
| 09:29.30 | Fawkes | Did you see anything in the LiveHTTPHeaders window? |
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| 09:30.09 | tombs | Fawkes: no |
| 09:30.09 | xx1 | first thing i'd try is: firefox -ProfileManager |
| 09:30.27 | fxiny | xx1: i see no sexy thing there using ff , but i keep javacrap off .opera showing a warning which is something i don't like at all |
| 09:30.49 | xx1 | fxiny: i was kidding |
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| 09:31.26 | Fawkes | Hmm. Gotta go. Good luck solving your website issue, tombs. |
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| 09:32.26 | fxiny | xx1: yes ? but i use a damned good dns block list when i use dnsmasq or pdns-recursor |
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| 09:42.26 | SparFux | I just contacted Archos support. They shall tell me if and how it's possible to bootup this Archos 7 from other media. |
| 09:47.35 | tombs | thanx all...gotta go 2 |
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| 09:52.34 | syslq1 | SparFux: archos looks nice |
| 09:53.30 | SparFux | syslq1: Yes, and it's cheap. But how could I ever boot this thing when the flash drive is corrupt? It's only usb client, not host, so I would have to boot it and then it can be used as mass storage. |
| 09:53.44 | SparFux | Which means, once I tash the flash the device is dead. |
| 09:54.38 | SparFux | I would buy it if I knew I could always bootup from MicroSD or WLAN (unlikely) or I could even use it as usb mass storage when the flash it totally crappy. |
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| 09:55.39 | syslq1 | SparFux: and I can not order it from Slovenia but I could order it from Austria or Italy and were all in EU without any "borders" among us, WTF.... |
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| 09:56.02 | superlinux | hi. |
| 09:56.06 | SparFux | hi superlinux |
| 09:56.09 | syslq1 | SparFux: not that I would, I just use laptop but still, I have a feeling they do not want my money |
| 09:56.15 | SparFux | syslq1: yes, this sucks, too. I am in germany though. |
| 09:56.21 | superlinux | I just had a kernel panic from nowhere!! |
| 09:56.48 | superlinux | this is what both kern.log and syslog recorded: debian kernel: [12017.065527] ld[16361] general protection ip:7f63b8729fd0 sp:7fffc5a09dd0 error:0 in libbfd-2.18.0.20080103.so[7f63b86bd000+c5000] |
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| 09:57.14 | superlinux | I had to do a reboot. |
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| 09:57.41 | syslq1 | SparFux: I really do not understand that :), it's like they want to deliberately shrink their market :) |
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| 09:58.16 | superlinux | what happened ere to this is that I was gathering all required packages to compile an application, which is liferea , the RSS reader. |
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| 09:58.38 | superlinux | i just wanted to upgrade it |
| 09:58.40 | SparFux | syslq1: Yes. And wtf they recommend Windows 7! It's an ARM9 cpu! |
| 09:58.51 | liable | what? |
| 09:59.04 | liable | windows wont even work on an arm will it? |
| 09:59.31 | mavhc | only windows ce |
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| 10:00.37 | SparFux | liable: It won't! |
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| 10:01.34 | SparFux | Perhaps they mean it to use Windows 7 as "host system" for accessing the device as usb mass storage LOL |
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| 10:02.55 | superlinux | guys! when i compile an application, which package should make "checking for PACKAGE... no" as yes? |
| 10:03.06 | dongs | lol. is there any way to prioritize which device will take which SCSI/SATA names lol. I've got a pci-e sas card and booting off intel onboard sata, and each tiem i add a drive to the pci-e card intel onboard shit changes to like sdc,sdd,sde etc. |
| 10:03.20 | dongs | fucking ridiculous. |
| 10:03.27 | dongs | should i just install win2008? |
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| 10:04.00 | liable | !uuid |
| 10:04.00 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 10:04.24 | dongs | sorry what. that has nothign to do with anything. |
| 10:04.39 | superlinux | dongs, yes it does |
| 10:04.54 | dongs | no it doesnt. i see my intel shit renumbering as sd+whateveritwasbefore+1 |
| 10:04.55 | liable | a udev rule is needed to |
| 10:05.04 | dongs | i dont use udev, and i dont use grub. |
| 10:05.09 | dongs | (nor do i plan to) |
| 10:05.16 | liable | ooh ahhh |
| 10:05.19 | superlinux | you'll be calling the disks with the UUID rather than sdX |
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| 10:05.56 | coax | w/in 3 |
| 10:06.17 | SparFux | syslq1: I think it's crap anyway. There's no point in the expensive touchscreen you buy with having no keyboard. |
| 10:06.37 | dongs | surely making intel sata appear before the other shit would be trivial? |
| 10:06.49 | peterrooney | dongs: the uuid factoid (if you read it from start to end) addresses your concern exactly. udev and grub are merely the most common examples. |
| 10:07.50 | syslq1 | SparFux: yes :), but I sent them an email, asking why they think my euro's are not good enough anyway |
| 10:07.56 | dongs | meanwhile im gonna try installing win2008 on another drive since i broke up lunix raid1 set since that didnt work too well and see how it handles this issue |
| 10:08.02 | SparFux | syslq1: nice :-) |
| 10:08.35 | peterrooney | syslq1: what do they want, Krugerrands? |
| 10:08.41 | SparFux | syslq1: check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCJYdUrudpE "you actually have to buy plugins from their store" So, afaic, they fucked up! :-) They won't get my money, only if I can install debian there in some way. |
| 10:08.58 | SparFux | peterrooney: they only want to sell plugins. |
| 10:09.23 | syslq1 | SparFux: I mean I dont understand, what's the point of being in EU and schengen area if my friend in Austria that's like 50km from me can order something online that I cant :) |
| 10:09.44 | SparFux | syslq1: hehe :-) |
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| 10:09.53 | syslq1 | SparFux: no point in me donating money to save the Greece then :) |
| 10:10.50 | dongs | peterrooney: enlighten me how this UUID will help with lilo's boot= line? |
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| 10:13.29 | liable | so instead of using a bootloader that will work, you whine and stick with lilo.. |
| 10:13.47 | peterrooney | !lilo->grub |
| 10:13.50 | dongs | sorry? |
| 10:13.51 | dongs | lilo works. |
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| 10:14.07 | __lilbt__ | hi |
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| 10:18.15 | SparFux | syslq1: warning! I didn't realise Archos 7 uses GMA 500 and there is no free driver but vesa for this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/FreeYourEee |
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| 10:19.12 | peepsalot | is there a way to move a window in curses? i'm trying to use upgrade-from-grub-legacy, and my disk name is so long that the window goes outside the screen and I can't see what I'm selecting |
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| 10:20.09 | peepsalot | or maybe i can just change my disk name? |
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| 10:20.39 | peterrooney | dongs: if i recall correctly, lilo and UUID is root=uuid=<DEAD-BEAF-0999-...> but, better yet, /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 10:20.43 | project2501b | damn.there should be free implemenations of IPMI |
| 10:20.54 | project2501b | and sold seperately and work with all PCs |
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| 10:21.19 | liable | project2501b: right arrow doesnt scroll it sideways? |
| 10:21.29 | project2501b | eh? |
| 10:21.34 | liable | peepsalot: ^^ |
| 10:21.38 | project2501b | ah |
| 10:21.39 | project2501b | :) |
| 10:21.40 | liable | sorry |
| 10:21.46 | project2501b | e nada |
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| 10:24.04 | syslq1 | SparFux: about windows thing, I wrote to the computer store once, asking for explanation how the hell can router / switch / network gear can be explicitly windows compatible :) |
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| 10:24.19 | peepsalot | liable, left and right arrows do not appear to do anything |
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| 10:24.48 | liable | peepsalot: and you say this is curses? what program? |
| 10:25.17 | peepsalot | upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 10:25.38 | peepsalot | it looks like curses |
| 10:25.41 | liable | are you supposed to be able to edit in the window? |
| 10:25.58 | peepsalot | i am supposed to tell it which drive to set up grub on |
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| 10:26.24 | peepsalot | ...i think, i can't even read all the text! |
| 10:27.02 | liable | hrm |
| 10:27.19 | liable | i'm not sure what to suggest |
| 10:28.06 | fxiny | changing resolution ? |
| 10:28.19 | liable | console presumably |
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| 10:29.22 | peepsalot | yeah i'm at the console |
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| 10:43.02 | odinswand | anyone know a light file manager that's not ugly like bsc? |
| 10:43.49 | AimHere | gentoo is ugly like gentoo |
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| 10:44.46 | dongs | peterrooney: why would i want to use grub if it doesnt add anything useful for my purpose. |
| 10:45.13 | odinswand | thanks |
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| 10:45.41 | liable | dongs: apart from fixing your disk labelling problem? |
| 10:45.50 | dongs | liable: its not a problem. |
| 10:46.05 | liable | then why did you ask about it? |
| 10:46.13 | dongs | liable: surely im not going to be making up 24 UUIDs for each freaking drive when teh problem is the order in which the shit is initialized? |
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| 10:46.33 | dongs | onboard first, pci-e next. |
| 10:46.59 | peterrooney | dongs, what exactly are you wanting to do? |
| 10:47.33 | dongs | peterrooney: i want intel onboard sata to grab /dev/sda,b,cwhatever followed by anything else in PCI-e sas board. |
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| 10:47.55 | dongs | though i guess i could just make intel onboard show up as IDE and hopefully it'l be smart enough to make it /dev/hda |
| 10:47.56 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:48.05 | dongs | and leave all scsi shit as sdX |
| 10:48.20 | peepsalot | well i guess i don't really need to upgrade to grub2 |
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| 10:49.02 | peterrooney | !XY Problem |
| 10:49.02 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 10:49.13 | dongs | peterrooney: all i know is it works in windows. |
| 10:49.17 | dongs | and i dont have to guess anything. |
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| 11:20.46 | wfq | hi |
| 11:21.38 | wfq | guys, If I want to build an application that potentially is going to be used by several users on the system, where should I do it? /usr/local/share or /usr/share? |
| 11:21.50 | wfq | I end up to confusion always with this |
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| 11:22.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | either, its not relevant |
| 11:23.10 | wfq | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks |
| 11:23.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 11:56.44 | eli_ | Im interested in learning emacs and now I'm sitting here with emacs 22 (X11). And I wonder if In learn this will it be equal to learning emacs? |
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| 11:57.30 | liable | eli_: try #emacs |
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| 11:57.48 | i_am_deviant | hi there .. |
| 11:57.53 | i_am_deviant | i have big problem |
| 11:58.11 | liable | i have big solution |
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| 11:59.20 | i_am_deviant | i have down debian server .. there is big mess with drives, i know, that for booting kernel i have a /boot partition (hd0,0) and root (hd0,2), but debian is attempting to use its /dev/vfstab .. |
| 11:59.40 | i_am_deviant | can i somehow disable using fstab on ^kernel line from grub? |
| 12:00.24 | i_am_deviant | **err /etc/fstab |
| 12:00.29 | i_am_deviant | ^^ i meant |
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| 12:04.18 | fxiny | vsfstab ? |
| 12:04.21 | yusef_fathi | hi |
| 12:04.31 | i_am_deviant | init: 151: syntacx error: 0x(hd0,2) |
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| 12:04.50 | i_am_deviant | fxiny: sorry .. i am not Linux guy .. mainly solaris/bsd |
| 12:05.22 | i_am_deviant | i wanted to say kernel to boot with init=/bin/bash root=(hd0,2) |
| 12:07.01 | fxiny | i_am_deviant: root =/dev/whatever |
| 12:07.30 | i_am_deviant | fxiny: no, not applicable since i have no idea what is the name for this drive |
| 12:07.55 | fxiny | i_am_deviant: right , use grub cli to find out |
| 12:08.08 | fxiny | and edit your /etc/fstab |
| 12:08.18 | i_am_deviant | fxiny: i can't access filesystem |
| 12:08.36 | fxiny | how can you edit grub menu.lst then ? |
| 12:08.41 | i_am_deviant | fxiny: i have just grub and i am able to boot kernel and initrd |
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| 12:08.58 | i_am_deviant | fxiny: grub -> e |
| 12:09.25 | i_am_deviant | fxiny: i can edit only grub's line in grub itself |
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| 12:10.35 | i_am_deviant | i just only need to boot kernel (i can do it) in mode, where /etc/fstab won't be used and i will specify root= in grub as (hd0,2) |
| 12:10.59 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:14.33 | fxiny | i_am_deviant: why can't you access the fs ? |
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| 12:19.49 | Bushmills | i_am_deviant: grub allows volume labels, like dev=LABEL=..... of course, volume label needs to be set first |
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| 12:20.11 | Bushmills | so does fstab |
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| 12:22.09 | fxiny | i dont' understand : maybe he wants to boot ro single and then edit fstab ? |
| 12:22.12 | cristi8 | Hi! i am using lenny and want to print on my Canon Pixma ip1500 printer. can't find a package in reps, and the official installer requires higher versions of cupsys, libpng, etc |
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| 12:22.49 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 12:22.57 | cristi8 | any idea where can i find a package for lenny that i can use to print? |
| 12:23.03 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 12:23.03 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 12:23.04 | macquetero-ppc | hi |
| 12:23.07 | ZenWalker | can I solve it? |
| 12:23.10 | cristi8 | (i.e.: an older version of the driver) |
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| 12:23.17 | ZenWalker | I have free space on /boot |
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| 12:23.44 | LV-426 | why is the mode for '/var/mail' g+s ? nothing to execute there... ? |
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| 12:24.53 | arand | When you remove something via tasksel, it does remove everything defined in that task, without taking into account manually installed packages or items from other tasks, right? |
| 12:26.50 | arand | *items that may also be defined in other, still installed tasks |
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| 12:32.18 | macquetero-ppc | I have a imac g3 and I've installed debian on it. do you know how set up a window manager ? |
| 12:32.27 | macquetero-ppc | it's just in text mode |
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| 12:33.07 | cahoot | xorg installed? |
| 12:33.11 | neoice | if I'm using LVM and I've grown a few devices, does the fact that they're not allocated sequentially really matter? |
| 12:33.48 | macquetero-ppc | I've intalled x.org and fluxbox already |
| 12:33.54 | nevyn | neoice: not particularly. some wag will probably argue about non-sequencial access hits and fragmentation but I wouldn't worry about it. |
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| 12:34.14 | cusco | hi |
| 12:34.17 | cahoot | marq |
| 12:34.19 | cusco | does netinstall has module e100 |
| 12:34.26 | cusco | I mean, firmware for ethernet card |
| 12:34.28 | cusco | ? |
| 12:34.49 | cahoot | macquetero-ppc: so what gives if you start xorg? |
| 12:35.29 | macquetero-ppc | cahoot: no such process errno 3 Server error |
| 12:35.33 | macquetero-ppc | at the end |
| 12:36.23 | macquetero-ppc | and fatal error, no screen found |
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| 12:38.05 | fxiny | macquetero-ppc: try this : cat > ~/.xsession exec startfluxbox . then run startx |
| 12:38.29 | fxiny | or install a graphical login mamager |
| 12:39.26 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: let me try... gdm is installed.. I thinks it's sommething related with graphics card Or some thing.. |
| 12:39.51 | fxiny | macquetero-ppc: is the screen black ? could be undetected |
| 12:40.05 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: yes :( |
| 12:40.17 | fxiny | check xorg log |
| 12:40.37 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: is in the /var ? |
| 12:41.22 | fxiny | yes , /var/log |
| 12:41.59 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: there is nothig there.. the log file is ther but nothing inside |
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| 12:43.31 | i_am_deviant | Bushmills: i just need to access filesytem ... nothing more .. i can boot kernel and initrd since my boot is separated as (hd0,0) .. root is probably (hd0,2) .. i am unable to run init since i'm stuck on kernel because it is unable to mount root filesystem |
| 12:43.48 | fxiny | what about /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? is it empty as well or missing ? |
| 12:44.09 | Bushmills | i_am_deviant: what file system is your root partition? |
| 12:44.45 | i_am_deviant | don't know .. but hda3 (tried also sda3) as it was before not |
| 12:44.47 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: I execute de dpkg -config .... comand |
| 12:45.07 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: but beforethat nothing appear |
| 12:46.06 | i_am_deviant | Bushmills: it should be (hd0,2) since it's iirc on same drive as /boot and i have boot -> logical volume -> logical partition |
| 12:46.24 | Bushmills | (14:44:09) Bushmills: i_am_deviant: what file system is your root partition? |
| 12:46.30 | i_am_deviant | ext3 |
| 12:46.33 | i_am_deviant | Bushmills: sorry |
| 12:46.40 | Bushmills | what is on your hd0,1 ? |
| 12:46.57 | i_am_deviant | swap or just logical |
| 12:47.25 | i_am_deviant | but first part which is not swap or logical class is root |
| 12:48.03 | Bushmills | grub doesn't enumerate extended partition (which can contain logical drives) |
| 12:48.42 | fxiny | i_am_deviant: is : /boot/vmlinuz_xxxxx root=/dev/xxx not root =(hd0,2) |
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| 12:49.05 | Bushmills | if there are logical partitions, and your root is primary partition, root should be enumerated before logical partitions |
| 12:49.12 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: nothing happen.. :$ |
| 12:49.23 | fxiny | macquetero-ppc: you should have a config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 12:49.45 | fxiny | and some linbs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:49.48 | fxiny | lines* |
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| 12:50.14 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: yes I have already the problem is I cannot config that file |
| 12:50.21 | fxiny | right |
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| 12:50.48 | pozic | Everyone always says how dpkg is such a great tool. Can someone explain why it takes more than log n diskseeks to find one file when one uses an absolute path as an argument to dpkg -S <myabsolutefile>? |
| 12:50.54 | Bushmills | macquetero-ppc: have you already tried to execute startx ? |
| 12:51.37 | macquetero-ppc | Bushmills: yes then an error appear |
| 12:51.39 | pozic | real 0m25.504s |
| 12:51.42 | i_am_deviant | for a god's sake fxiny .. i don't know my bloody root in /dev/xxx namespace but in (hdx,y) namespace .. as i said before .. last time it bloody stucked on attepting to mount fstab entries .. i just need to run some restricted shell (like real UNIXes including other Linux competitors have) to be able to access and reslove it then by hand |
| 12:51.55 | pozic | This is nothing short of incredibly slow performance. |
| 12:51.55 | Bushmills | and executing that doesn't give you a /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? |
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| 12:52.35 | Bushmills | i_am_deviant: boot cd |
| 12:52.51 | pozic | Doing ls in a directory with thousands of files is an order of magnitude faster, including the time to output and display everything. |
| 12:52.55 | Bushmills | boot usb stick is a good alternative |
| 12:53.04 | macquetero-ppc | Bushmills: that start with The driver keyword requires a quoted string |
| 12:53.29 | poisonbit | pozic, you are not looking "a file" in the filesystem |
| 12:53.47 | Bushmills | macquetero-ppc: is there a config file in /etc/X11, like xorg.conf? |
| 12:53.49 | fxiny | i_am_deviant: try tabbing , let grub find what you need : google for "grub manual booting" |
| 12:53.58 | pozic | poisonbit: the documentation says that files are a valid input. |
| 12:54.10 | poisonbit | you are comapring a file in the filesystem, with the _contents_ of each debian package in your package ddbb |
| 12:54.12 | macquetero-ppc | Bushmills: yes.. |
| 12:54.19 | Bushmills | "The driver keyword requires a quoted string" ... fix that one |
| 12:54.29 | pozic | poisonbit: that is just an implementation detail. |
| 12:54.39 | pozic | poisonbit: dpkg answers certain queries. |
| 12:54.40 | poisonbit | maybe |
| 12:54.54 | poisonbit | and maybe that your examlpe is the most slow thing in dpkg |
| 12:54.54 | pozic | poisonbit: it does so in a way that could be a few thousand times faster. |
| 12:55.12 | poisonbit | patches are welcome in the project :) |
| 12:55.23 | poisonbit | dkg is as yours as mine |
| 12:55.26 | poisonbit | dpkg |
| 12:55.41 | pozic | poisonbit: If I could become a Debian developer without too much hassle, I might, but I don't like to beg for rights. |
| 12:56.07 | poisonbit | pozic, don't need to be DD to write/send a patch |
| 12:56.11 | poisonbit | :) |
| 12:56.17 | fxiny | pozic: is an improvement from yesterday :) |
| 12:56.45 | pozic | fxiny: ^^ |
| 12:57.01 | poisonbit | I've also noted that dpkg -S takes some second and 100% of I/O |
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| 12:57.25 | i_am_deviant | Bushmills: no .. no cd, no usb boot support |
| 12:58.06 | Bushmills | i_am_deviant: netboot |
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| 12:58.41 | macquetero-ppc | god¡ |
| 12:58.45 | wrksx | apparently mysql error log go to syslog (debian improvement), but can someone help me on how to consult these logs ? |
| 12:59.00 | poisonbit | wrksx, daemon.log |
| 12:59.11 | fxiny | some seconds ? poor dpkg goes in trance half a day on my old pII |
| 12:59.15 | wrksx | you mean what ? |
| 12:59.19 | fxiny | is a hardware porbs |
| 12:59.43 | poisonbit | wrksx, more /var/log/daemon.log or more /var/log/mysql* |
| 12:59.59 | wrksx | ok thx |
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| 13:01.09 | poisonbit | fxiny, I haven't look at the implementation, basically the task is "search in wich debian package match that file" I don't know "how" dpkg does it |
| 13:01.25 | fxiny | macquetero-ppc: if your problem is a non detected screen you should have some clues reading xorg log . i know you said is empty , this url can help in seeting your modeline : http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 13:02.04 | macquetero-ppc | fxiny: ok |
| 13:02.05 | fxiny | poisonbit: i don't blame dpkg for such problems . dpkg slowness here is a hardware problem |
| 13:02.11 | macquetero-ppc | searching |
| 13:02.20 | poisonbit | ah :) |
| 13:02.40 | poisonbit | fxiny, 5.400 rpm IDE ? I've some... |
| 13:02.51 | fxiny | poisonbit: pozic likes to complain and i like to tell him to help more ;) |
| 13:03.03 | fxiny | pozic: :P |
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| 13:03.13 | isfranc | hello |
| 13:03.20 | poisonbit | hello |
| 13:04.03 | isfranc | i search for Evolution, to leave a message of absence for the holidays ? |
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| 13:05.13 | fxiny | poisonbit: i forgot exacly how many but i believe are the same rpm as the tutankamon battle chariot |
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| 13:05.42 | poisonbit | isfranc, I don't know about evolution to much, but you will need to get the evolution fired up during holidays if you do that way |
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| 13:05.54 | fxiny | i have one of the "grinding loud" class |
| 13:06.02 | fxiny | somewhere |
| 13:06.20 | poisonbit | fxiny, lol :) |
| 13:07.54 | poisonbit | isfranc, where is your email? @gmail? exchange? |
| 13:07.55 | isfranc | poisonbit: i have not spam in my mail box, little |
| 13:08.11 | isfranc | poisonbit: in my home |
| 13:08.20 | poisonbit | whic daemon ? |
| 13:08.36 | isfranc | poisonbit: it s very top secret |
| 13:08.38 | isfranc | :D |
| 13:08.39 | poisonbit | look at the daemon docs, maybe you can enable holiday messages in the server for accounts |
| 13:08.55 | poisonbit | as secret as a telnet to see the banner :) |
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| 13:09.39 | isfranc | poisonbit: yes sure, i have forget the banner i think hummmm |
| 13:10.33 | poisonbit | people used to make holiday messages using fetchmail/procmail and crontab -e years ago |
| 13:10.48 | poisonbit | some servers can do it too |
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| 13:10.52 | isfranc | poisonbit: Banner is enough discrete, i think |
| 13:11.02 | s1kx- | i got a little problem with postfix & forwarding. ive setup forwarding through aliases and made a relay_recipients map, so the mail.log didnt error out anymore but gave me this: https://gist.github.com/b33e9bb046bf7c493b95 hwoever im not getting an email there |
| 13:11.02 | fxiny | easy done with procmail |
| 13:11.04 | poisonbit | after EHLO ? |
| 13:11.25 | s1kx- | it sends other mails without problems though |
| 13:11.38 | fxiny | and on a "friend" list base , never answer to spammers |
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| 13:12.03 | fxiny | but , i am a mutt servant and you an evolution user |
| 13:12.36 | isfranc | poisonbit: ok i must search for smtp daemon configuration for this... thanks |
| 13:13.20 | poisonbit | isfranc, you want to respond to messages that you "get", not that you "send" |
| 13:15.03 | isfranc | poisonbit: yes at this thime i search a job, and want send message if i have mail, in my holidays, else i have some call in my phone |
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| 13:18.07 | poisonbit | If If's postfix, here you have "Out-of-the-office/forwarding services can turn themselves on and off if required." http://www.loomsday.co.nz/development?id=tequila # example for postfix |
| 13:18.23 | poisonbit | If prefer something more k.i.s.s. look at procmail examples |
| 13:19.29 | poisonbit | http://www.loomsday.co.nz/tequila/tq-settings.png |
| 13:19.47 | isfranc | ok thankc poisonbit |
| 13:19.51 | isfranc | thanks |
| 13:20.18 | poisonbit | np |
| 13:21.02 | poisonbit | oh |
| 13:21.15 | poisonbit | isfranc, aptitude show vacation |
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| 13:21.44 | handheldcar | I put this http://paste.debian.net/79571/ in my Fluxbox menu, but the Shutdown isn't working. |
| 13:21.53 | handheldcar | I'm using xdm. |
| 13:22.33 | fxiny | isfranc: tools > settings . scroll down to "out of the office" , i refuse to post the url i'm reading on |
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| 13:26.10 | isfranc | fxiny: have you tools > settings in evolution ? |
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| 13:27.24 | fxiny | isfranc: i don't have evolution , i was reading from google and it seems that evolution comes with such "out of the office" option , maybe they moved it around |
| 13:28.12 | isfranc | fxiny: yes, strange i not find this in my evolution |
| 13:28.39 | tarkaram | I am using a usb device to connect to my home wireless network. The network interface is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces and when I plug the device it connects to the my network and I run the dhclient command to get an ip. But the connection drop often, and I have to unplug and plug it back in to connect it to my network. I was wondering if there is a way to automatically re-connect to a specific wireless network |
| 13:28.40 | tarkaram | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.19 | isfranc | i think vacation package is a good way, simple |
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| 13:42.23 | pozic | What does "error splicing file" mean? |
| 13:43.10 | pozic | During a cut and paste of a file in the Gnome UI. |
| 13:44.57 | poisonbit | pozic, last lines of dmesg have I/O errors ? |
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| 13:49.17 | fxiny | cut ? file permission ? |
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| 13:51.33 | unixp | hey do s.o. know the login script of phpmyadmin? I cant login to the webinterface.. |
| 13:51.52 | bolt | in /dev/disk/by-uuid/, I have entries for two of my mdadm raids, md0 and md2. md1 and md3, however, are not there, though they are mounted and otherwise behaving fine. how come they're not there? |
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| 13:54.37 | pozic | poisonbit: yes |
| 13:55.02 | pozic | poisonbit: is that enough reason to return the item? |
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| 13:55.59 | poisonbit | mmm I don't know... do you have more "items" to test ? |
| 13:56.22 | pozic | No spare ones. |
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| 13:58.30 | poisonbit | can you format it ? you could run mkfs or fsck before return the item |
| 13:58.52 | poisonbit | and test as root to copy/move the file in command line |
| 13:59.43 | pozic | poisonbit: if I format it, the file is gone of course. |
| 13:59.59 | poisonbit | yes |
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| 14:00.21 | poisonbit | software has bugs, humans makes errors, and between the storage and the error messge there are many things, I can't be 100% sure that your device is broken |
| 14:00.40 | poisonbit | but that is the message that devices make to dmesg when are broken |
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| 14:00.54 | wonderwal | i did apt-get install ntp, but /etc/init.d/ntp* is missing, why? |
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| 14:01.32 | pozic | poisonbit: I think it simply is that the consumers demands densities they cannot actually deliver. |
| 14:01.43 | poisonbit | wonderwal, debian stable ? |
| 14:01.50 | wonderwal | yes |
| 14:01.56 | pozic | poisonbit: I never had I/O errors with old hardware until the drives were very old. |
| 14:02.16 | poisonbit | wonderwal, the file is in the package and in my debian stable machines with ntp installed |
| 14:02.30 | wonderwal | i know its supposed to be there, but its missing |
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| 14:02.55 | poisonbit | aptitude reinstall ntp does some error ? |
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| 14:03.32 | pozic | poisonbit: is there a way to read and write something to a specific sector? |
| 14:03.39 | cahoot | wonderwal: openntpd? |
| 14:03.53 | poisonbit | wonderwal, if don't, please pastebin us: apt-cache policy ntp; dpkg -l ntp; dpkg -L ntp |
| 14:04.06 | poisonbit | pozic, dd |
| 14:04.15 | poisonbit | with dd you can seek |
| 14:05.30 | poisonbit | wonderwal, this command better (ls too) apt-cache policy ntp; dpkg -l ntp; dpkg -L ntp; ls -l /etc/init.d/ntp |
| 14:05.30 | pozic | poisonbit: dd doesn't understand sectors. What do I need? Logical blocks? |
| 14:06.02 | wonderwal | should i try openntpd? |
| 14:06.09 | poisonbit | pozic, you can calculate positions with dd knowing disk geometry sizes |
| 14:06.10 | wonderwal | i thought apt-get install ntp would do the trick |
| 14:06.15 | puty | hi. i try to see traffic on my lan but iptraf get only traffic from router to my pc and my pc to router. Didn't show traffic on another hosts. any idea? |
| 14:06.32 | cahoot | wonderwal: /etc/init.d/openntpd - no? |
| 14:06.55 | poisonbit | ntp has the file he doesn't have |
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| 14:07.02 | pozic | poisonbit: no, I cannot, since I don't know exactly what dd does. All I have is a logical block number. I suppose all blocks are the same size, but I also don't know this size. |
| 14:07.03 | poisonbit | we should check wtf is happening |
| 14:07.36 | plastun | wtf, sorry? No one COM-device, such as mouse, doesn't work in my Debian, in Windows - works |
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| 14:08.06 | poisonbit | pozic, fdisk -l will tell you the sizes |
| 14:09.08 | wonderwal | ah |
| 14:09.18 | wonderwal | why is it /etc/init.d/openntpd never used to be :S |
| 14:09.26 | poisonbit | pozic, anyway, do it as all unix admis are doing it since 20 years ago, run fsck (comented at the begining) with the recommended options to detect bad sectors |
| 14:09.38 | poisonbit | wonderwal, why didn't you pasted what i recuested ? |
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| 14:11.11 | wonderwal | http://www.pastebin.org/382846 |
| 14:11.56 | poisonbit | it lacks the last ls -l |
| 14:12.38 | wonderwal | that script is missing, remember |
| 14:13.13 | poisonbit | missing no |
| 14:13.17 | poisonbit | deleted by root |
| 14:13.32 | poisonbit | you have the package ii, and the package includes that file |
| 14:14.12 | poisonbit | and if reinstalling did not the trick |
| 14:14.14 | wonderwal | i didnt delete it |
| 14:14.24 | poisonbit | aptitude purge ntp; aptitude install ntp should put the file here |
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| 14:14.56 | wonderwal | damn it fixed it |
| 14:14.57 | wonderwal | thanks so mcuh |
| 14:15.08 | poisonbit | ls -l worked ? |
| 14:17.33 | project2501b | do sas controllers aslo do sata? |
| 14:17.37 | project2501b | also, even |
| 14:18.05 | wonderwal | yes |
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| 14:18.27 | project2501b | lovely |
| 14:18.32 | project2501b | thank you |
| 14:19.27 | poisonbit | project2501a, to buy hardware the best answer to all questions is in product tech. details |
| 14:19.35 | wonderwal | is debian stable+xfs a good combo? |
| 14:19.47 | project2501b | wonderwal: yes, very |
| 14:19.55 | project2501b | i run debian and xfs on sgi hardware |
| 14:20.00 | wonderwal | raid? |
| 14:20.04 | project2501b | yup |
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| 14:20.09 | wonderwal | hardware raid? |
| 14:20.12 | project2501b | yup |
| 14:20.24 | project2501b | hence my question about controllers |
| 14:20.30 | poisonbit | I've not try xfs |
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| 14:20.56 | poisonbit | people use to say it's good for big files |
| 14:21.10 | project2501b | it does triazing |
| 14:21.21 | project2501b | and it did that well before zfs |
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| 14:22.53 | wonderwal | write cache? |
| 14:22.59 | wonderwal | i heard xfs+write cache can be dangerous |
| 14:23.14 | project2501b | where did you hear that from |
| 14:23.32 | poisonbit | there are optional batery for some raid controllers |
| 14:24.09 | project2501b | wonderwal: any filesystem, on raid, when not backed up by at least two onboard batteries and a sturdy ups, behind a generator with 0 latency switchover, is dangerous |
| 14:24.35 | poisonbit | eh |
| 14:24.38 | project2501b | actually you want to include multiple power feeds into the above statement |
| 14:25.42 | poisonbit | If it's for a home server, maybe a simple backup splited in 2Gb files into free gmail accounts can do it with less money |
| 14:25.52 | project2501b | ... |
| 14:25.55 | project2501b | nightmare |
| 14:26.08 | project2501b | might as well go buy one of those seagate nas devices and back up images there |
| 14:26.18 | project2501b | gbit is cheap |
| 14:26.22 | project2501b | rsync rocks |
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| 14:26.53 | fxiny | can be dangerous in --delete mode when source file is corrupted |
| 14:27.05 | fxiny | i use rsync and rdiff-backup |
| 14:28.54 | coolmadmax | !pastebin |
| 14:28.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
| 14:29.26 | fxiny | here it is : [Errno 116] Stale NFS file handle: |
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| 14:29.45 | fxiny | which is a file boiled up in the summer heat ;) |
| 14:30.00 | poisonbit | $fs->store("backup.$hostname.$now.tar.gz"); $fs->retrieve, $fs->quota, $fs->delete, $fs->versions... not too nightmare using Net::FS::Gmail :) |
| 14:30.07 | coolmadmax | !pastebininit |
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| 14:32.30 | fxiny | in this case rsync should be smarter not deleting even in --delete mode |
| 14:32.54 | fxiny | because is an obvious reading problem |
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| 14:33.16 | fxiny | anyway it reports the error |
| 14:34.02 | poisonbit | [ -r "$nfs/testfile" ] && rsync -a --delete "$nfs/" "$target/" |
| 14:34.20 | coolmadmax | !debian |
| 14:34.20 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 14:35.01 | fxiny | no NFS involved , file file.damage prints funny things , i've seen more |
| 14:35.44 | poisonbit | yes I was proposing a workaround... rsync doesn't check for read errors, ok lets we do it |
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| 14:36.22 | fxiny | poisonbit: it reports the error |
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| 14:36.55 | poisonbit | but in that case... it continues doing a sync ? |
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| 14:37.39 | fxiny | yes and it deletes the untouched destination file , i recovered the previous rdiff-backup version of the same thing |
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| 14:38.09 | fxiny | that's my home daily backup |
| 14:38.09 | poisonbit | hugly |
| 14:38.27 | poisonbit | it's very hugly that it continues the sync on errors, deleting target |
| 14:38.49 | fxiny | it does that because it thinks the original file doesn not exist |
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| 14:40.26 | eli_ | hello guys I just downloaded emacs for my debian system, but Im only getting emacs 22 x11 which is the GUI version of emacs! how can I get the terminal version of emacs? |
| 14:40.58 | poisonbit | emacs22-nox ? |
| 14:41.06 | ansgar | eli_: emacs -nw |
| 14:41.18 | eli_ | ok I'll try those commands! |
| 14:41.28 | poisonbit | the ansgar command |
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| 14:42.57 | eli_ | emacs -ne bringed me the command line version, thanks. And what does nw stand for? |
| 14:43.19 | eli_ | and emacs-nox didn't work |
| 14:43.34 | poisonbit | it's a package name ;) |
| 14:43.47 | fxiny | i use jed instead of emacs -nw |
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| 14:44.02 | eli_ | ok what does nw stand for? new writer? |
| 14:44.14 | loufoque_ | is there a way to force to install an older package than one I already have? |
| 14:44.41 | fxiny | dpkg -i <packagename> ? |
| 14:44.41 | dpkg | installs <packagename> into fxiny's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 14:44.43 | poisonbit | package=$VERSION |
| 14:44.44 | fxiny | oops |
| 14:44.48 | fxiny | hahaha |
| 14:45.03 | fxiny | i can feel the screwing :P |
| 14:45.20 | poisonbit | apt-get install packagename=$VERSION # but you need packagenme-$VERSION.deb to be in your repos |
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| 14:46.22 | poisonbit | loufoque_, if the old version is not in repos, you can look at snapshot.debian.org |
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| 14:47.18 | loufoque_ | works fine with dpkg thanks |
| 14:47.53 | fxiny | loufoque_: dont't forget to put it on hold |
| 14:48.10 | eli_ | nw stands for nowindows system in emacs! |
| 14:48.15 | loufoque_ | it's just to test something anyway, I'm not going to keep it |
| 14:48.25 | fxiny | eli_: nahhh is new eli book writer ;) |
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| 14:50.09 | eli_ | almost :D |
| 14:50.36 | [gnubie] | waves |
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| 14:51.04 | fxiny | poisonbit: yes , is ugly that's why i make some noise about rsync --delete , i have an old hd which use to spits some errors like that , it never happened on files i backup since last week when i found the ugly deletion |
| 14:51.36 | [gnubie] | i just installed squeeze amd64 and i noticed that it is using grub2.. how can i co-exist of having the stdout/stdin on console and serial ? |
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| 14:54.12 | poisonbit | [gnubie], add the same options as in grub0.9X? to /etc/default/grub CMDLINE variable and run update-grub |
| 14:54.32 | [gnubie] | poisonbit: any example? |
| 14:54.38 | poisonbit | console=ttyS0 |
| 14:54.43 | poisonbit | console=ttyS0,115200n8 |
| 14:55.02 | poisonbit | options for serial are in the debian installer guide i think |
| 14:55.37 | [gnubie] | does it mean that it will also provide me an output and accept input from the monitor and keyboard attached respectively? |
| 14:55.49 | poisonbit | that depends on your inittab |
| 14:56.00 | [gnubie] | because i want to have both |
| 14:56.21 | poisonbit | that will redirect kernel messages to ttyS0 at boot |
| 14:57.05 | poisonbit | /etc/inittab defines where you can login physicaly, see comments for enalbe serial terminal |
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| 14:57.06 | thepro4ever | ls |
| 14:57.07 | [gnubie] | poisonbit: but i want both |
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| 14:57.22 | wonderwal | at what time does logrotate run? |
| 14:57.25 | [gnubie] | not to choose only one of them |
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| 14:57.33 | poisonbit | wonderwal, see /etc/crontab |
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| 14:57.48 | thepro4ever | yo where is the java file typically located on debian? i'm trying to figure out where i want my symbolic link to point to for a fresh java install but i don't know where its typically installed to set up install correctly |
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| 14:58.15 | poisonbit | [gnubie], you can have login in both, serial and screen, I don't know about boot messages |
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| 14:58.22 | wonderwal | 6.25 am, why that time :S |
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| 14:58.51 | poisonbit | thepro4ever, dpkg -L packagename |
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| 14:59.07 | poisonbit | will list al files of packagename |
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| 14:59.35 | [gnubie] | boot messages is important especially when encountering a problem.. that's why i want both, terminal console and serial console |
| 14:59.57 | thepro4ever | poisonbit, i'm not using a apt-get to install it, i extracted the package with tar, what i want to know is if i did indeed do apt-get to install it where would the java executable have gone |
| 15:00.23 | poisonbit | most to /usr/lib |
| 15:00.47 | fxiny | form /usr/bin via the alternatives system down to /usr/lib or local |
| 15:01.18 | poisonbit | my $JAVA_HOME points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre |
| 15:01.23 | poisonbit | if it helps |
| 15:02.00 | poisonbit | and there is a soft link in the debian package: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun -> java-6-sun-1.6.0.20 |
| 15:02.05 | fxiny | i used sun java in etch installed in /usr/local . then i set all the symlinks the debian way |
| 15:02.11 | thepro4ever | it does, i'm going to set my symbolic link up in /usr/bin then and have it point to my java install in my home directory |
| 15:02.20 | thepro4ever | poisonbit, what does soft link mean? |
| 15:02.28 | fxiny | going back to normal was amazing easy |
| 15:02.37 | poisonbit | thepro4ever, ln -s source link |
| 15:02.48 | thepro4ever | same as symbolic |
| 15:02.53 | poisonbit | yes :) |
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| 15:03.04 | fxiny | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.30 | thepro4ever | fxiny thats nasty |
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| 15:03.56 | poisonbit | thepro4ever, no thats a debian feature |
| 15:04.05 | thepro4ever | nasty |
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| 15:04.11 | poisonbit | so you can have more than one package that provides /usr/bin/java installed |
| 15:04.22 | thepro4ever | i prefer one sym link at most |
| 15:04.24 | puty | iptraf only show traffic from my pc to router and vice versa. dosen't show another host traffic.any idea? |
| 15:04.24 | poisonbit | and manage the default app used, with update-alternatives |
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| 15:04.53 | fxiny | thepro4ever: is nice , best way i found to learn the alternatives system , here's my note : update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/local/jre1.6.0_03/bin/java 60 |
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| 15:05.06 | poisonbit | thepro4ever, I prefer one link too, but "the debian way" is update-alternatives |
| 15:05.10 | [gnubie] | anyone here running xen? |
| 15:05.34 | poisonbit | [gnubie], not currently but have run some in the past |
| 15:05.37 | [gnubie] | i just installed debian squeeze amd64 and xen-4.0 from unstable on dom0.. any advice on the best practice on having 32bit domU on top of a 64bit dom0? where do you put the kernel and its modules? |
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| 15:06.36 | qq- | !ops |Clecio| |
| 15:06.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: |Clecio| |
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| 15:07.17 | fxiny | thepro4ever: after that : update-alternatives --config java |
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| 15:07.32 | qq- | |Clecio|, stop it |
| 15:07.42 | fxiny | the update alternatives is nice |
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| 15:09.25 | fxiny | hmmm |
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| 15:12.22 | puty | iptraf shows only traffic from my pc to router and vice versa.dosen't show traffic from another hosts.any idea?thanks |
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| 15:12.44 | fxiny | puty: iptraf shows interfaces traffic |
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| 15:13.15 | fxiny | where's your lan ? on eth1 ? |
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| 15:13.27 | puty | on ath0 |
| 15:13.45 | puty | and iptraf show any trafic on lan |
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| 15:14.04 | fxiny | i see you want something else |
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| 15:14.31 | thepro4ever | is there anyway i can grep all the commands i've run today that include the 'mv' command?? |
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| 15:15.18 | puty | i can see another mac adrress but no trafic |
| 15:15.44 | fxiny | history | grep mv ? |
| 15:16.28 | fxiny | no .bash_eternal_history ? check debian-administration for it |
| 15:17.19 | puty | i can see hw mac but dosen't show traffic |
| 15:18.06 | craigevil | why would chkrootkit show a bunch of gibberish aabout half way through running, rkhunter doesnt fnd anything |
| 15:18.25 | fxiny | puty: plenty of : wireshark , tcptrack , tcpflow , tcpdump , tcpflow and so on you can play for days |
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| 15:18.59 | puty | i have also wireshark but the same problem |
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| 15:19.10 | [gnubie] | puty: simply execute first "arp -an" and paste somewhere the output |
| 15:19.17 | puty | ok |
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| 15:20.30 | puty | http://debian.pastebin.com/1tj1AVai |
| 15:20.56 | puty | arp show another host 192.168.0.195 is another host on my lan |
| 15:21.23 | puty | now is downloading but iptraf no traffic show |
| 15:22.14 | mikolapiz | this IP adress maybe are from you own computer? |
| 15:22.15 | [gnubie] | arping -I ath0 00:13:ce:ad:94:d3 |
| 15:22.17 | fxiny | tcpdump 192.168.0.195 ? |
| 15:22.29 | [gnubie] | arping -I ath0 00:19:15:76:10:8c |
| 15:22.36 | mikolapiz | and 192.168.0.1 the router |
| 15:23.04 | [gnubie] | then on another terminal, "tcpdump -s 0 -nlvvv -i ath0 host <ip_address>" |
| 15:23.43 | [gnubie] | puty: you only need arp, arping and tcpdump tools to confirm your traffic |
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| 15:26.39 | puty | arping to mac unanswered |
| 15:26.54 | [gnubie] | then check your physical connectivity |
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| 15:27.09 | puty | i can ping host |
| 15:27.14 | puty | also router |
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| 15:27.33 | puty | is wifi connection |
| 15:28.06 | [gnubie] | while ping'ing host/router, monitor your icmp traffic with the command "tcpdump -s 0 -nlvvv -i ath0 host <ip_address>" |
| 15:28.19 | puty | ok |
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| 15:29.36 | [gnubie] | ping doesn't mean your traffic goes via ath0 |
| 15:29.54 | [gnubie] | from #xen : phcoder: [gnubie]: I've just checked: multiterm grub-mkconfig support was added only after 1.98 was released. GRUB 1.98 itself has multiterm support but configuration script doesn't. You can just upgrade to bzr trunk |
| 15:30.07 | puty | but when i did arping to ip is working |
| 15:30.18 | [gnubie] | with the -I ath0 ? |
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| 15:30.23 | puty | yes |
| 15:30.31 | puty | apring to ip host work |
| 15:30.38 | [gnubie] | strange |
| 15:30.41 | puty | apring to ip router work |
| 15:30.55 | [gnubie] | then you should have a traffic then |
| 15:30.59 | puty | dosen't work ping to mac |
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| 15:31.06 | puty | yes i should |
| 15:31.15 | puty | but iptraf dosent show it |
| 15:31.27 | puty | just traffic to my pc to router |
| 15:31.47 | puty | wireshark is the same problem |
| 15:31.48 | jhutchins | puty: Perhaps you should read up on what iptraf is supposed to show. |
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| 15:32.29 | Bushmills | mtr may be helpful |
| 15:32.39 | puty | jhutchins some times ago was working well |
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| 15:33.51 | [gnubie] | i have a quad-core amd box but the output on "cat /proc/cpuinfo" tells me that i only have a single core.. what could be the problem? |
| 15:34.24 | [gnubie] | same thing with my dell t100 server with quad core xeon |
| 15:34.56 | dvs | [gnubie]: paste the output |
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| 15:35.51 | wonderwal | how do i install the console version of mtr? |
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| 15:36.07 | Bushmills | [gnubie]: what is output of grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo|wc -l ? |
| 15:36.11 | puty | ok i lunch tcpdump and ping |
| 15:36.38 | puty | seems to work and trafic is ok i can see it also in iptraf |
| 15:37.32 | puty | but why can't see the traffic between host and router? |
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| 15:39.15 | [gnubie] | dvs and Bushmills : kindly check out http://www.pastie.org/1030131 |
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| 15:40.50 | dvs | [gnubie]: I have no clue about AMDs |
| 15:41.14 | [gnubie] | dvs: let me show you the intel xeon quad-core |
| 15:42.50 | puty | when i lunch airodump i can see the traffic on wifi (host downloading) |
| 15:44.01 | puty | when i luch airodump-ng i can see traffic (host downloading) but iptraf dosent show any traffic |
| 15:44.07 | [gnubie] | dvs: kindly check out http://www.pastie.org/1030137 |
| 15:44.55 | dvs | [gnubie]: I don't use xen either. Man, I'm striking out today! |
| 15:45.30 | [gnubie] | dvs: should i reboot and use the kernel without xen support? |
| 15:45.42 | dvs | [gnubie]: do you need xen support? |
| 15:46.15 | sveajobb | jhutchins_lt, remember me? I had problem with my server last night. it seems like the problem was a successful hack. |
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| 15:46.33 | [gnubie] | dvs: yes. and i don't think it's about the xen support because even without it, the output of my "cat /proc/cpuinfo" command will only show me a single core |
| 15:47.12 | Pupeno | When Debian is installing packages, it asks whether you want to install new configs or not. One of the options is to background the process and examine the situation manually. I did that. How do I get the install process back? |
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| 15:47.17 | dvs | [gnubie]: I think the newer Debian kernels automatically have multi-cpu support in them. |
| 15:47.24 | e-future | wonderwal: aptitude install mtr; mtr --curses <address> |
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| 15:48.45 | dvs | CONFIG_X86_64_SMP=y |
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| 15:50.29 | Lantizia | I see squeeze includes btrfs... what are the odds that by the time squeeze is frozen btrfs will be the default filesystem? |
| 15:52.08 | [gnubie] | dvs: where is that? |
| 15:52.31 | dvs | [gnubie]: /boot/config-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 15:52.39 | vot | btrfs isnt stable yet tho is it |
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| 15:53.22 | Lantizia | vot, not now it is not no |
| 15:53.29 | [gnubie] | dvs: yes, it's "y" |
| 15:53.51 | vot | i thought it still had areas where it could be unstable |
| 15:54.02 | Lantizia | vot, yeah it probably does |
| 15:54.14 | vot | like thr drive can fill |
| 15:54.21 | dvs | [gnubie]: I have no idea then |
| 15:54.25 | vot | and other areas when you repair it can panic |
| 15:54.40 | Lantizia | So what is your answer? |
| 15:55.00 | vot | iits not ready yet |
| 15:55.03 | [gnubie] | dvs: no worries |
| 15:55.12 | Lantizia | now it isn't no... but that is not answering the question |
| 15:55.27 | vot | well your asking how long is a piece of string |
| 15:58.04 | vot | btw i cant wait till its ready |
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| 16:04.32 | flo` | hi |
| 16:04.50 | flo` | i've installed VirtualBox, and i'm running a custom kernel. how can i build the VBox module for my kernel? |
| 16:04.59 | flo` | m-a has no vboxdrv module :( |
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| 16:05.36 | plastun | hello! I use Debin testing with 2.6.30-2-686 kernel. I can't use any COM-device. What to do? |
| 16:05.51 | flo` | i'm using lenny |
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| 16:06.55 | Lantizia | plastun, you have no /dev/ttyS0/1/2/3 etc.. .? |
| 16:07.07 | plastun | I have ones |
| 16:07.18 | plastun | but UPS, COM mouse dont woks |
| 16:07.19 | Lantizia | then you can use a com device |
| 16:07.40 | flo` | plastun, using X or console? |
| 16:07.46 | plastun | console |
| 16:07.52 | flo` | is gpm running? |
| 16:08.07 | plastun | no |
| 16:08.16 | flo` | man gpm |
| 16:08.28 | plastun | the goal is to connect UPS and get it working |
| 16:08.35 | plastun | I use mouse only for test purposes |
| 16:08.58 | flo` | UPS? |
| 16:09.28 | plastun | uninterruptable power supply |
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| 16:17.54 | flo` | i read that dkms will help me. but does it really need gcc4.1? |
| 16:18.02 | flo` | or can i also work with gcc3.x? |
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| 16:20.59 | plastun | does it needed to install Xorg to activate com port? |
| 16:21.14 | flo` | plastun, no |
| 16:21.17 | qq- | flo`, do you have the headers of 'your' kernel ? |
| 16:21.17 | rozie | plastun: no |
| 16:21.32 | flo` | qq-, i have the whole source tree |
| 16:21.39 | flo` | so i assume the headers are somewhere ;) |
| 16:21.48 | plastun | ok, the, hot to simply test COM port without any device, work or not? |
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| 16:22.21 | rozie | plastun: not possible, I think |
| 16:22.26 | jez9999 | In Windows, I can always use the Windows key or alt-tab to escape from an application like DOSBox... is there an equivalent in Gnome? |
| 16:23.43 | flo` | answer to myself: i do NOT need gcc4.1. simply deactivate, then aptitude will complain, but succeed |
| 16:24.01 | flo` | plastun, under MSDOS, i know a solution |
| 16:24.28 | plastun | what one? |
| 16:24.34 | flo` | plastun, you have to hold a coin into the pins of the port (it's shortcut-proof, no damage ;) ), and some program can detect this |
| 16:24.39 | flo` | wait, i'm looking for it |
| 16:25.02 | plastun | flo`, there is one strange think |
| 16:25.07 | plastun | *thing |
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| 16:25.29 | flo` | plastun, which one? |
| 16:25.30 | plastun | when I start graphical debian installer, COM mouse also doesn't work |
| 16:25.33 | Macer | copying a ton of files over 100mbit nfs kind of sucks.. but debian is running great on the artigo.. even got bind going |
| 16:25.34 | plastun | USB - works |
| 16:25.36 | Macer | :) |
| 16:25.40 | Macer | always nice to have bind |
| 16:26.03 | flo` | plastun, com doesn't support plug'n'play |
| 16:26.10 | flo` | i assume you have to set things up manually |
| 16:26.15 | flo` | do you have a COM mouse? |
| 16:26.28 | plastun | yes, I have |
| 16:26.44 | flo` | install gpm |
| 16:26.47 | flo` | read its manpage |
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| 16:27.33 | flo` | play around with the options. if your com port is alive, you'll get mouse (in console) working. just fiddle around a bit |
| 16:27.40 | plastun | i think that the problem in missing necessary kernel modules |
| 16:28.08 | plastun | yes, maybe the mouse will work, but gpm is only for mouse, yes? |
| 16:28.31 | rozie | yes |
| 16:28.57 | plastun | so, the goal is to make UPS workable |
| 16:28.58 | rozie | plastun: but if mouse works, everything else also will |
| 16:29.11 | flo` | plastun, how does the UPS communicate with the pc? |
| 16:29.21 | plastun | flo`, via COM port |
| 16:29.32 | rozie | there's daemon for communication with upses |
| 16:29.35 | flo` | if it's plain serial data, then minicom or some terminal application can help you |
| 16:30.01 | rozie | but if it won't work, usually ups manufacturer provides some software |
| 16:30.07 | plastun | I'l tryed to make cat /dev/ttyS0 whe UPS connected - nothing |
| 16:30.24 | plastun | yes, there is software for Windows, not for linux |
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| 16:30.39 | plastun | apcupsd maybe |
| 16:30.53 | rozie | apt-cache search ups daemon |
| 16:31.05 | rozie | in testing there are at least 3 different |
| 16:31.07 | plastun | but his software say me, that there is no UPS connected |
| 16:32.02 | rozie | upsd, powstatd, apcupsd |
| 16:32.25 | rozie | plastun: you need to configure it. UPSes usually have non standard settings |
| 16:32.43 | plastun | ok, I'll try now |
| 16:33.52 | qq- | !apcupsd |
| 16:33.52 | dpkg | hmm... apcupsd is a daemon for controlling APC UPSes, packaged for Debian. http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#frequently-asked-questions . See also <nut>. |
| 16:34.41 | qq- | plastun, grep ttyS /etc/inittab , says ? paste the line with ttyS0 |
| 16:36.08 | qq- | here is disabled by default |
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| 16:36.51 | qq- | (i have no serials) |
| 16:37.34 | plastun | qq |
| 16:37.35 | plastun | server:~# cat /etc/inittab | grep ttyS |
| 16:37.36 | plastun | #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 16:37.36 | plastun | #T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100 |
| 16:37.36 | plastun | #T3:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x0 -s 57600 ttyS3 |
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| 16:37.50 | plastun | sorry |
| 16:37.58 | plastun | i;ll paste it on pastebin |
| 16:38.00 | plastun | moment |
| 16:38.20 | qq- | i said line with ttyS0 not all, anyways it seems it is disabled |
| 16:38.27 | plastun | http://pastebin.org/383003 |
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| 16:40.15 | plastun | should I uncomment this lines? |
| 16:40.21 | qq- | sure |
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| 16:42.10 | lautriv | anyone using debians netboot from squeeze ? |
| 16:42.46 | qq- | !anyone |
| 16:42.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 16:43.34 | lautriv | i wonder each time why i waste my time here........... |
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| 16:44.05 | qq- | !next |
| 16:44.05 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 16:48.17 | aleray | hi, I have a powerbook and i'd like to plus an external keyboard with a different layout. Can I do this without reconfiguring everything, but just the external keyboard ? |
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| 16:50.00 | qq- | n o |
| 16:51.00 | aleray | qq-, is that a reply for me ? |
| 16:51.14 | qq- | y |
| 16:53.00 | aleray | es |
| 16:53.08 | aleray | what about udev ? |
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| 16:54.36 | qq- | TIAS |
| 16:55.24 | aleray | qq-, could you write words please ? |
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| 16:57.25 | linduxed | is there a nice little command that prints the existing users on the computer? |
| 16:57.36 | cahoot | w? |
| 16:57.45 | linduxed | i noticed "users" just prints the logged in users |
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| 16:58.18 | linduxed | cahoot: no i want existing users |
| 16:58.32 | linduxed | "people who can log in" |
| 16:58.36 | linduxed | that kind of thing |
| 16:58.47 | cahoot | i e existing and potential? |
| 16:59.01 | cahoot | nm |
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| 16:59.26 | qq- | aleray, no was a shot answer , but you may configure it in xorg.conf in Section "InputDevice" .. |
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| 17:00.39 | aleray | qq-, thanks |
| 17:00.50 | qq- | np |
| 17:01.28 | aleray | there is no xorg anymore, isn't there ? |
| 17:01.35 | cahoot | linduxed: awk -F: '{print $1}' /etc/passwd |
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| 17:01.53 | linduxed | cahoot: yeah i guess that's a way |
| 17:02.18 | qq- | aleray, you may generate one : X -configure : 1 |
| 17:02.48 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.48 | cahoot | linduxed: how about: awk -F: '$3 > 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd ? |
| 17:02.55 | fxiny | uid >=1000 |
| 17:03.27 | thepro4ever | i can't type anything in vi and it says "Already oldest change at the bottom" |
| 17:04.29 | thepro4ever | when i'm in insert mode how can i move my cursor up one line in vi |
| 17:04.29 | fxiny | start by typing i |
| 17:04.39 | thepro4ever | fxiny, figured that out but thanks |
| 17:05.12 | thepro4ever | when i try to move my cursor up one line while in insert mode with the arrow key it beeps and makes the letter D on a new line |
| 17:05.24 | thepro4ever | is there a diff way i need to do it while in insert mode |
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| 17:07.02 | fxiny | type vimtutor in a term |
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| 17:07.45 | thepro4ever | heh looks like i don't have a vimtutor |
| 17:07.58 | fxiny | apt-cache policy vim ? |
| 17:08.11 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/vimcheat.html |
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| 17:09.09 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:10.57 | thepro4ever | i don't use vim, i use vi!! |
| 17:11.20 | fxiny | and i use emacs |
| 17:11.22 | fxiny | ;P |
| 17:11.25 | thepro4ever | seriously you guys need to catch up to the 20th century |
| 17:11.31 | thepro4ever | vim was just a fad |
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| 17:12.57 | fxiny | but i learned vi/vimm first |
| 17:13.30 | fxiny | i can't stand nano and all nanoids |
| 17:14.09 | qq- | dpkg, start editors war |
| 17:14.09 | dpkg | qq-: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 17:14.50 | bartm | does notepad work in wine ? :) |
| 17:16.28 | thepro4ever | what is RTFM?? |
| 17:16.34 | qq- | dpkg, editor war |
| 17:16.34 | dpkg | it has been said that editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice |
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| 17:16.43 | qq- | dpkg, RTFM |
| 17:16.43 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 17:19.52 | simonrvn | vim, a fad? what a douche. |
| 17:19.54 | Mascalzone_it | buonasera |
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| 17:20.07 | simonrvn | probably older than s/he is. |
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| 17:21.14 | Mascalzone_it | mi dite come sostituire il caps su bidgin irc? |
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| 17:21.14 | qq- | !it |
| 17:21.15 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:21.16 | Mascalzone_it | grazie |
| 17:21.27 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.44 | Mascalzone_it | ahaahh, sì |
| 17:22.18 | Mascalzone_it | arrivederci e grazie |
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| 17:23.10 | fxiny | bidgin ? |
| 17:23.29 | qq- | first polite .it , cool , except fxiny ;) |
| 17:23.33 | simonrvn | thepro4e1er: vim is probably older than you are |
| 17:23.54 | simonrvn | very polite. that was refreshing |
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| 17:24.42 | EvYdance | Hello, How can i run a tar in background ? |
| 17:24.57 | fxiny | qq-: ;) |
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| 17:25.25 | linduxed | EvYdance: isn't & sufficient? |
| 17:25.26 | bartm | EvYdance: add a space and an ampersand at the end |
| 17:25.59 | EvYdance | i have try with & but when i quit putty the tar is stopped |
| 17:26.13 | bartm | EvYdance: try prepending with "nohup" |
| 17:26.37 | bartm | EvYdance: see "man nohup" |
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| 17:26.47 | linduxed | EvYdance: yeah that's a hup problem |
| 17:27.00 | bartm | linduxed: feature, not problem |
| 17:27.01 | linduxed | EvYdance: it's bound to that terminal if you don't do nohup |
| 17:27.13 | linduxed | bartm: for him it's a problem atm |
| 17:27.19 | bartm | true :) |
| 17:27.22 | linduxed | bartm: in general, yes it's a feature |
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| 17:28.30 | linduxed | bartm: but tbh, i've added "setopt NO_HUP" to my .zshrc |
| 17:28.36 | linduxed | bartm: i prefer it that way |
| 17:28.51 | linduxed | rarely do i need it the other way |
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| 17:29.08 | EvYdance | thanks |
| 17:29.13 | EvYdance | with nohup no problem |
| 17:29.18 | bartm | great |
| 17:29.47 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: You may also be interested in "screen" which allows you to detach a session. |
| 17:30.04 | linduxed | jhutchins_lt: i was just going to recommend it to EvYdance |
| 17:30.38 | linduxed | jhutchins_lt: don't you feel that this message comes from a screen session? |
| 17:30.45 | fxiny | screen mutt and irssi the holy trimurty |
| 17:30.54 | linduxed | jhutchins_lt: it's got a versatile feel to it |
| 17:30.59 | fxiny | mutt first |
| 17:31.11 | linduxed | fxiny: hmmm, actually i'm not with you on that one |
| 17:31.36 | linduxed | fxiny: screen, weechat and thunderbird when it comes to the things you mentioned |
| 17:31.48 | fxiny | linduxed: thunder what ? |
| 17:31.50 | linduxed | fxiny: i'm not too big on mutt |
| 17:31.58 | bartm | mutt rocks |
| 17:32.33 | fxiny | linduxed: ls -al .mutt | wc -l -> 16 |
| 17:32.39 | fxiny | :P |
| 17:32.54 | linduxed | bartm: it's not bad, i'm not saying that, it's just that i've gotten the impression that managing about 7 IMAP accounts in mutt is a pain |
| 17:33.14 | linduxed | bartm: which i can handle just fine in thunderbird |
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| 17:34.46 | fxiny | linduxed: sorry i can use any clicking thing here , not a single icon here : xmonad rulez |
| 17:35.02 | javanewbie | hi |
| 17:35.07 | javanewbie | how do i install java on debian? |
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| 17:35.42 | bartm | !tell javanewbie about java |
| 17:36.03 | javanewbie | please |
| 17:36.19 | linduxed | fxiny: i use awesome, and i see your issue, that's why i installed the nostalgy addon |
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| 17:36.33 | fxiny | linduxed: and i can't use weechat but irssi cause i am sooo beautiful |
| 17:36.50 | linduxed | fxiny: keybindings like mutt in thunderbird |
| 17:37.26 | fxiny | linduxed: what's the nostalgy add on ? i welcome any old stuff |
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| 17:37.52 | linduxed | fxiny: i used irssi too before, but i think i prefer weechat, only marginal differences though |
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| 17:38.33 | linduxed | fxiny: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2487/ |
| 17:38.55 | fxiny | linduxed: you know ? all this modern apps comes with fancy names i cannot understand |
| 17:39.31 | linduxed | fxiny: also, there is addon for thunderbird that allows you to open the mail you're typing in any editor |
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| 17:40.06 | linduxed | fxiny: makes me keep my sanity with thunderbird, i need vim for editing, can's stand notepad-interfaces |
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| 17:41.22 | fxiny | linduxed: have you tryed emacs org-mode ? i can't do without |
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| 17:42.21 | fxiny | always on , i am no emacs zealote but org-mode is always on here |
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| 17:45.17 | SIG_IGN | My laptop required BCM57XX tg3 module which I successfully compiled but the module never works for the first time Any ideas ? |
| 17:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: any ideas? |
| 17:46.20 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 rabid oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:47.04 | jhutchins_lt | SIG_IGN: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:47.14 | linduxed | fxiny: wow, that looks really cool |
| 17:47.31 | SIG_IGN | jhutchins_lt : Its for Ethernet |
| 17:47.44 | SIG_IGN | I needed the tg3 module |
| 17:48.01 | linduxed | fxiny: the thing is that I'm the kinda guy that really likes the many things one can do with emacs |
| 17:48.12 | linduxed | fxiny: i really do, but it lacks a good editor |
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| 17:48.24 | rozie | SIG_IGN: what do you mean "for the first time"? |
| 17:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: Did you have a question about Debian? |
| 17:49.01 | rozie | I have this card and works OK (Lenny, own 2.6.34) |
| 17:49.11 | SIG_IGN | rozie: when debian boots my eth0 is absent . I have to issue modprobe -r tg3 and then again modprobe tg3. then it works |
| 17:49.23 | fxiny | linduxed: cool ? process -> 2/94 collect 0/95 my little david allen gtd in org-mode |
| 17:49.32 | linduxed | jhutchins_lt: oh sorry that is off-topic, got all off course, question already answered |
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| 17:49.38 | rozie | SIG_IGN: Lenny? |
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| 17:49.47 | jhutchins_lt | SIG_IGN: There might be something that needs to load before it, there are ways to specify that in the modprobe config file. |
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| 17:50.45 | jhutchins_lt | I think man modprobe.conf will say how to do that. |
| 17:50.55 | lost_soul | g'day to all and happy fourth of july to all whom celebrate it |
| 17:51.05 | fxiny | linduxed: first month i manage to close more then 60 TODO , i was so efficient and excited , then i started piling up :P |
| 17:51.28 | path | why Im on debian-overflow? |
| 17:51.29 | path | ! |
| 17:51.49 | javanewbie | helloall |
| 17:52.17 | javanewbie | www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx |
| 17:52.29 | javanewbie | any other simple tutorial to install jaVA? |
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| 17:52.51 | bartm | javanewbie: didn't dpkg tell you about how to install java? |
| 17:52.54 | nand | hello, i reinstalled winxp on my laptop, how can i restore grub? (i have the debian netinstall cd and it looks like it wants to reinstall everything) |
| 17:53.55 | javanewbie | i need free one though |
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| 17:54.17 | javanewbie | you here bartm? |
| 17:54.19 | craigevil | !java |
| 17:54.20 | dpkg | i guess java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:54.41 | bartm | javanewbie: ? |
| 17:54.47 | craigevil | javanewbie: /msg dpkg icedtea |
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| 17:56.13 | javanewbie | i'm not looking for java plugin |
| 17:56.18 | SIG_IGN | jhutchins_lt: how can i know what is to be loaded first ? |
| 17:56.19 | javanewbie | i am looking for java compiler |
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| 17:56.36 | javanewbie | like javac java.c |
| 17:56.38 | javanewbie | wahtever |
| 17:56.46 | KB1JWQ | Java's an interpreted language. :-) |
| 17:56.57 | javanewbie | interpretor i mean |
| 17:56.58 | javanewbie | ya |
| 17:57.28 | craigevil | javanewbie: then you want openjdk |
| 17:57.31 | vot | javanewbie, you soon will realize how silly what you just said is |
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| 17:58.11 | vot | and why openjdk |
| 17:58.17 | vot | use suns jdk |
| 17:58.30 | bartm | compiler is the right term http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/getStarted/intro/definition.html |
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| 17:58.57 | KB1JWQ | Oh Sun. :-( You tricky beast. |
| 17:59.16 | javanewbie | where can i download java compiler ? |
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| 17:59.30 | javanewbie | and whenver on the termianl i type java it will call that installed java binary file |
| 17:59.34 | javanewbie | any clue guys?? |
| 17:59.44 | bartm | !tell javanewbie about java |
| 18:00.05 | thepro4e1er | javanewbie: what exactly is the question |
| 18:00.24 | javanewbie | i need a java compiler |
| 18:00.37 | thepro4e1er | javanewbie: download one from www.java.sun.com |
| 18:00.42 | bartm | javanewbie: please do the effort of reading the information we're already providing... |
| 18:00.42 | javanewbie | if i type java it will call java compiler binary file @ /bin/java or whatever |
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| 18:01.31 | bzed | thepro4e1er: and why would one download one from sun.com when there are vious (sun) java versions packaged and ready to install with your package manager? |
| 18:01.50 | thepro4e1er | bzed: because you can't get the latest from a repo |
| 18:02.20 | fxiny | why the latest ? |
| 18:02.28 | thepro4e1er | fxiny: thats how I roll |
| 18:02.29 | bzed | thepro4e1er: that doesn't matter for 99% of all java users |
| 18:02.49 | thepro4e1er | bzed: it matters for java devs |
| 18:02.51 | javanewbie | i only have terminal |
| 18:02.58 | javanewbie | i don't have package manager |
| 18:03.01 | javanewbie | i'm just a user on the server |
| 18:03.15 | rfranknj | do the linux kernels in the package repositories have alsa built into them |
| 18:03.27 | bzed | rfranknj: of course :) |
| 18:03.33 | rfranknj | does that mean they won't show up in lsmod |
| 18:03.41 | bartm | javanewbie: contact your system admin to install java ? |
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| 18:04.02 | bzed | rfranknj: ah, thats what you mean. no, the alsa stuff is packaged as modules |
| 18:04.13 | bzed | rfranknj: they'll show up as snd_something modules |
| 18:04.18 | javanewbie | i also have another server which i have root access |
| 18:04.25 | javanewbie | but i don't have frontend access |
| 18:04.28 | javanewbie | only backend |
| 18:04.30 | javanewbie | any clue guys? |
| 18:04.35 | rfranknj | bzed: alright, thanks |
| 18:04.37 | jhutchins_lt | rfranknj: They'll only show with lsmod if they're loaded. |
| 18:05.02 | bartm | !tell javanewbie about openjdk |
| 18:05.11 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rfranknj about alsa |
| 18:05.20 | jhutchins_lt | Work that bot! |
| 18:05.28 | javanewbie | bartm |
| 18:05.30 | javanewbie | that doesn't work |
| 18:05.37 | bartm | javanewbie: why not? |
| 18:05.47 | javanewbie | i didn't get any msg from dpkg |
| 18:05.49 | javanewbie | or bot |
| 18:05.54 | bzed | !ping |
| 18:05.54 | dpkg | Yes, bzed, you are online. |
| 18:06.10 | bartm | !openjdk |
| 18:06.10 | dpkg | OpenJDK is Sun's open source release of <Java>. All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Sun's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:06.43 | rfranknj | i'm having a problem with alsa and pulseaudio. pulseaudio crashes constantly, telling me there's an error in the alsa driver i'm using http://paste2.org/p/903457 i've plenty of information about this bug on the interwebs, but no definitive solutions to the problem |
| 18:06.57 | rfranknj | i've found* |
| 18:07.28 | jhutchins_lt | rfranknj: What are you using pulseaudio for? |
| 18:07.31 | thepro4e1er | javanewbie: just go to java.sun.com and download the damn thing |
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| 18:07.44 | javanewbie | ok and then? |
| 18:07.52 | javanewbie | they only have linux(doesn't say debian) |
| 18:07.55 | javanewbie | so download that? |
| 18:07.58 | rfranknj | jhutchins_lt: it's convenient. i like the gui mixer |
| 18:08.09 | thepro4e1er | javanewbie: read the instructions on their site for installing it, sh <jdkpackagename>.bin |
| 18:08.19 | thepro4e1er | javanewbie: RTFM |
| 18:08.50 | path | !rtfm |
| 18:08.50 | dpkg | somebody said rtfm was Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 18:08.57 | javanewbie | thepro4e1er http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/widget/jdk6.jsp |
| 18:09.07 | javanewbie | ? |
| 18:09.08 | thepro4e1er | javanewbie: linux is the one you want..... |
| 18:09.10 | inspiron | How can I check the distribution? I was thinking of checking the /etc/ folder because it contains files such as debian_releas or fedora-release but maybe there is another way? |
| 18:09.24 | thepro4e1er | javanewbie: debian is a flavor of linux |
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| 18:09.29 | inspiron | I want to use this in a bash script |
| 18:09.35 | javanewbie | ok |
| 18:09.40 | javanewbie | http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/widget/jdk6.jsp << is this the right one? |
| 18:09.47 | fxiny | a flavor ? |
| 18:09.57 | thepro4e1er | i'm going to shoot myself |
| 18:09.58 | fxiny | i'm not supposed to run a flavour |
| 18:10.17 | fxiny | debian can run a bsd kernel , so ? |
| 18:11.14 | peepsalot | my linux flavor tastes like snozzberries |
| 18:11.49 | tarkaram | I am using a usb device to connect to my home wireless network. The network interface is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces and when I plug the device it connects to the my network and I run the dhclient command to get an ip. But the connection drop often, and I have to unplug and plug it back in to connect it to my network. I was wondering if there is a way to automatically re-connect to a specific wireless network |
| 18:11.49 | tarkaram | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:13.48 | LV-426 | is there any advantage in giving a fqdn for hostname's besides faster exim startup ? the downside is having to update ssh known_hosts |
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| 18:14.51 | tarkaram | !ping |
| 18:14.51 | dpkg | Yes, tarkaram, you are online. |
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| 18:16.28 | rouslan | Is it generally ok to use Squeeze? Problem is, my netbook's NICs are not supported by Lenny's kernel version, and I don't want to keep having to recompile kernel modules each time the kernel is updated. |
| 18:17.09 | bartm | rouslan: squeeze is still in testing, so the answer to your question depends on your context... |
| 18:17.11 | craigevil | inspiron: /etc/debian_version, lsb_release -a works if you have the lsb stuff installed |
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| 18:17.46 | rouslan | bartm: It should become more stable over time (when I update packages), right? |
| 18:18.09 | bartm | rouslan: when it goes to stable, yes :) |
| 18:18.16 | inspiron | craigevil: Thanks - works like a charm. forgot about that one :) |
| 18:18.47 | rouslan | bartm: So I would not have to reinstall the stable version? apt-get install upgrade will take care of all changes? |
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| 18:19.18 | bartm | rouslan: true, you can upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
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| 18:20.25 | puty | hi. i'm still trying to fix capture problem on my debian. any network master?:-) |
| 18:20.39 | fxiny | the plague ? |
| 18:20.44 | rouslan | bartm: I mean, if I install Squeeze now, and update all packages after Squeeze becomes stable, my installation will be stable? |
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| 18:21.04 | bartm | rouslan: yes, except here and there a leftover |
| 18:21.38 | rouslan | bartm: What is the worst that can happen? An unstable application? |
| 18:22.19 | puty | resume: runing tcpdump or any capture program. i can capture any traffic from my PC to router and vice versa. but that's all. |
| 18:22.26 | bartm | rouslan: I guess a leftover without security support |
| 18:22.51 | puty | i can't capture any another host traffic on wlan |
| 18:23.17 | rouslan | bartm: Would I be able to upgrade these ``leftovers'' easily? |
| 18:23.31 | craigevil | fxiny: seems not many people get the reference, awesome movie |
| 18:24.09 | fxiny | craigevil: you liked it ? i already watched two times |
| 18:24.25 | LV-426 | rouslan, if you prefer running stable you can add 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' to your apt config, add an unstable apt source & install a more recent unstable kernel as an exception to your otherwise 'stable' setup |
| 18:25.59 | rouslan | LV-426: Thanks! |
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| 18:27.07 | LV-426 | you're welcome. |
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| 18:29.07 | craigevil | fxiny: has hackers, hackers 2, Antitrust, Pirates of Silicon valley, revolution OS, and of course War Games, all good tech movies |
| 18:30.04 | upIRC | hi, debian lenny 32 currently 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP. Trying to get hardwear accel, using intel-agp. Which kernel? |
| 18:30.08 | poutine | craigevil, you just proved you have absolutely no taste in movies |
| 18:30.29 | poutine | war games was a decent flick, the rest are just shit |
| 18:30.35 | poutine | plus you didn't even mention classics like Sneakers |
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| 18:30.48 | tarkaram | can you folks suggest a package for using a tv tuner card on debian ? |
| 18:30.57 | bartm | tarkaram: tvtime |
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| 18:31.08 | fdfr | hi all |
| 18:31.19 | fdfr | anyone knows how to make a movie from a jpg? |
| 18:31.26 | tarkaram | bartm: Thx ! |
| 18:31.28 | bartm | np |
| 18:31.36 | fdfr | i am using mencoder but since i have only one jpeg it lasts very little |
| 18:31.49 | fxiny | craigevil: i went mad in revolution os first 15 minutes at seeing so many hackers i do really respect |
| 18:31.55 | fdfr | i need like an avi from one jpeg to last a minute or so and i don't have like 1000 jpeg just one |
| 18:32.23 | path | whats the group for udev ? |
| 18:32.24 | LV-426 | fdfr, check out kdenlive |
| 18:32.29 | cahoot | redefining stillmovie? |
| 18:32.51 | fdfr | LV-426, can that be done? |
| 18:33.28 | LV-426 | fdfr, think so, also easy format conversion + you can stretch it as long as you like |
| 18:33.48 | fdfr | LV-426, that is want i want more or less |
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| 18:35.05 | fdfr | LV-426, what i have in mind is to take a clip i have, then make an image with gimp with a message or something like that , then make an avi of that image with a 1 minute span and join the 2 clips with mencoder |
| 18:35.12 | LV-426 | think it's called 'slideshow clip' |
| 18:35.20 | rouslan | LV-426: When should I edit the config file? After installing and booting the Squeeze installation? |
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| 18:37.19 | fdfr | LV-426, hmm kdenlive it's a big one and i don't have time for it now, any other solution? |
| 18:37.20 | LV-426 | rouslan, yup |
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| 18:38.51 | LV-426 | fdfr, might be if you're pulling the kde dep's for the first time... |
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| 18:39.12 | rioch | Is this the right channel to discuss creating .deb files? |
| 18:39.28 | bartm | rioch: debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 18:39.42 | rioch | bartm: thanks |
| 18:39.45 | bartm | np |
| 18:39.50 | fdfr | LV-426, mencoder cand do what i want, but the thing is i dont have many jpegs just one, so the resulting video from 1 jpeg is very small, barely opens |
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| 18:40.47 | cahoot | multiply the jpeg? |
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| 18:41.25 | simonrvn | extend the number of frames the still is shown. common "trick" |
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| 18:43.13 | fdfr | cahoot, good idea, how? and how many time in order to get one minute of a clip |
| 18:43.29 | fdfr | simonrvn, please how |
| 18:43.47 | cahoot | fdfr: seems you got a more intelligent hint from simonrvn |
| 18:44.09 | fdfr | seems so, but how |
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| 18:44.43 | simonrvn | copy it to other frames, or expand the time it's shown |
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| 18:44.59 | simonrvn | the 2nd is smarter, you don't have dupes |
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| 18:45.10 | fdfr | simonrvn, like can it be done with avidemux for example? |
| 18:45.23 | fdfr | simonrvn, i see it has a paste option just like cut |
| 18:45.23 | simonrvn | i don't know. try it. |
| 18:45.31 | fdfr | but how can i insert the jpeg |
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| 18:45.43 | simonrvn | import it perhaps? ;) |
| 18:45.51 | fdfr | lemme look |
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| 18:51.11 | puty | i wrote before about capture problem on my debian. i got a new data. when I lunch ettercap and put router to target 1 and host A to target 2 capture works. |
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| 18:52.54 | handheldcar | anybody know why this doesn't work in xdm http://paste.debian.net/79622/ ? |
| 18:53.12 | handheldcar | supposed to shutdown the computer |
| 18:54.01 | fdfr | ok now i now what i want, how can i duplicate a frame inside a movie? |
| 18:54.09 | fdfr | like with avidemux or mencoder or anything |
| 18:54.41 | fdfr | i can't do it with avidemux, i mean i select the frame i want with the begining and end marker, then copy paste and nothing |
| 18:56.42 | i_am_deviant | http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4169/javak.png |
| 18:57.54 | b0nghitter | gui ftl |
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| 19:00.35 | fxiny | i_am_deviant: display http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4169/javak.png loads it , i didn't know it better then running a browser ? who knows |
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| 19:01.02 | fxiny | experiments all daaaaayyyy |
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| 19:01.50 | fxiny | is in the f* manual |
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| 19:02.38 | fxiny | nahh is not |
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| 19:03.01 | fxiny | i_am_deviant: does it work for you ? |
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| 19:07.51 | drasko | Hi all. I just installed new version of Skype on my laptop and video works very slow with my laptop webcam. What to look at to make it better ? |
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| 19:08.20 | i_am_deviant | fxiny: fixed .. but not by following your hint .. thanks anyway |
| 19:09.31 | drasko | Hi all. I just installed new version of Skype on my laptop and video works very slow with my laptop webcam. What to look at to make it better ? I suspect on my webcam driver... |
| 19:10.44 | fxiny | i_am_deviant: do you kave display from image magick ? type : display url-you-typed-*before |
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| 19:11.08 | craigevil | !tell drasko about skype |
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| 19:12.58 | Jon_ | Hello, trying to set up icecast on debian. Wondering if anyone is able to help? |
| 19:13.38 | Bushmills | like how? reading the docs to you? |
| 19:13.52 | bartm | !tell Jon_ about anyone |
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| 19:15.28 | jhutchins | Jon_: What beyond aptitude install icecast do you need? |
| 19:15.48 | Jon_ | Do you enable Daemon in debian by going into /etc/default/program and setting the init.d script to ENABLE=true? |
| 19:16.50 | fxiny | it's just me ? can't find anything in man display about loading remotes files , but it does |
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| 19:17.08 | fxiny | tought was for local files only |
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| 19:18.31 | rouslan | Is ext4 a good choice for all partitions (except /boot and /tmp } ext2) for a typical laptop? |
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| 19:19.29 | Jon_ | Any help is appreciated. Also, here is the pastebin file http://pastebin.org/382590 |
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| 19:20.32 | fxiny | man update-rc.d |
| 19:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | Jon_: There should be a README.Debian.gz that says what you need to do. |
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| 19:22.05 | jhutchins_lt | Jon_: Or some similarly named file in /usr/share/doc/icecast... |
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| 19:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like it's pretty complex to configure. |
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| 19:29.28 | peepsalot | i install package ssh, but i'm getting connection refused when i try to connect to my debian box. do I have to do something else to enable it? |
| 19:29.52 | sach1988 | hi.. installed debian lenny.. it removed my ubuntu 10.04 .. how to fix it? |
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| 19:30.01 | Bushmills | you fixed it alread< |
| 19:30.03 | Bushmills | y |
| 19:30.12 | sach1988 | no.. |
| 19:30.12 | b0nghitter | haha |
| 19:30.18 | sach1988 | i coudn't fix |
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| 19:30.59 | fxiny | it seems well fixed to me ;P |
| 19:31.07 | b0nghitter | theres no NX server package?? |
| 19:31.19 | Bushmills | peepsalot: yes. allow packets to ssh port |
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| 19:33.35 | PhorceP | I just did a fresh install of Lenny on a Supermicro P8SCT but X is DOA. Error log: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/745261 xorg.conf: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/745262 A new config (created with X -configure) made it work once, but it hasn't worked since I rebooted. |
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| 19:35.49 | Bushmills | Phorce add Modes lines below Depth of Display subsections |
| 19:36.26 | jhutchins | peepsalot: You probably need to install the ssh-server package. |
| 19:36.29 | revolve | Guys, I wanna block some sites. when I add ALL: site.com to /etc/hosts.deny, it doesn't change anything. |
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| 19:36.44 | revolve | Can someone lend a hand please? |
| 19:37.24 | jhutchins | peepsalot: there's also openssh-server - not sure why both, debian loves variety. |
| 19:37.24 | b0nghitter | block sites from connecting to you or you to them? |
| 19:37.51 | b0nghitter | use the ip instead |
| 19:38.05 | peepsalot | jhutchins, well, it looks like "ssh" is a virtual package that installs openssh-client and openssh-server, so i already appear to have server installed |
| 19:38.08 | jhutchins | sach1988: Is your ubuntu install still there on another partition? |
| 19:38.26 | jhutchins | peepsalot: Is it running? |
| 19:38.28 | revolve | b0nghitter: wanna use subdomains that're on other addresses |
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| 19:38.54 | revolve | b0nghitter: either is fine. as long as it prevents me loading pages from a given domain it's cool |
| 19:38.59 | peepsalot | jhutchins, it doesn't show up under ps aux | grep ssh |
| 19:39.19 | Bushmills | revolve: bind services to specific addresses. where needed, use iptables to control access. |
| 19:39.25 | b0nghitter | you can always block the dns to a certain domain |
| 19:39.29 | revolve | how? |
| 19:39.36 | revolve | @blocking dns |
| 19:39.42 | jhutchins | peepsalot: try /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 19:39.49 | b0nghitter | are you running a dns server |
| 19:39.53 | revolve | nope |
| 19:39.56 | revolve | not intending to |
| 19:40.10 | craigevil | revolve: use the hosts file not hosts.deny |
| 19:40.16 | b0nghitter | anyone know if /etc/hosts supports *.site.com ? |
| 19:40.18 | peepsalot | jhutchins, there is no /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 19:40.55 | jhutchins | peepsalot: dpkg -l "ssh*" |
| 19:41.27 | jhutchins | b0nghitter: I see hosts has a manpage. |
| 19:41.56 | Bushmills | dpkg -l "openssh*" |
| 19:41.56 | dpkg | No packages found matching "openssh*" |
| 19:42.11 | fxiny | AFAIK no wildcards in host or dns blockfiles |
| 19:42.12 | ZenWalker | Can i install on testing one package of stable?¿ |
| 19:42.26 | sach1988 | jhutchins: ya.. ubuntu is in different partition |
| 19:42.27 | b0nghitter | resolve: man /etc/hosts |
| 19:43.14 | peepsalot | jhutchins, hrm, well somehow it wasn't actually installed right. i ran install ssh again and it's working now. |
| 19:43.27 | jhutchins | sach1988: You will probably need to follow the procedure for restoring grub in ubuntu. Ubuntu uses grub2, which can't be loaded via the grub0 used in lenny, although I believe that it will be able to boot the Lenny install. |
| 19:43.43 | jhutchins | peepsalot: Yay! Whatever works, eh? |
| 19:43.55 | jhutchins | b0nghitter: No. |
| 19:44.18 | b0nghitter | man hosts |
| 19:44.36 | jhutchins | ZenWalker: Not recommended, but if you're testing, test it and see what happens. |
| 19:44.47 | jhutchins | b0nghitter: That's better. |
| 19:45.22 | ZenWalker | jhutchins: problems with initramfs-tools 0.97 |
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| 19:45.56 | jhutchins | ZenWalker: Great! Is it documented? |
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| 19:49.03 | aguitel | what is the right command: apt-get install -f or aptitude install -f ? |
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| 19:50.41 | b0nghitter | if i setup a jail for apache will it still be able to read a users ~/public_html ? |
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| 19:50.46 | ZenWalker | jhutchins: yes, http://bugs.debian.org/initramfs-tools |
| 19:51.20 | ZenWalker | installing new kernel, have errore |
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| 19:52.46 | fxiny | aguitel: they both will do |
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| 19:53.29 | aguitel | fxiny, i obtain differents results |
| 19:53.43 | lxsameer | how can i found out that which process use network ? |
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| 19:54.31 | fxiny | aguitel: because of recommended ? can you paste bit it ? |
| 19:54.39 | fxiny | paste bin* |
| 19:54.55 | Bushmills | lxsameer: netstat -utnp could do |
| 19:55.06 | lxsameer | Bushmills: thansk |
| 19:55.15 | aguitel | fxiny, http://pastebin.com/hxQRZEXW |
| 19:56.01 | Bushmills | l for those processes listening |
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| 19:58.16 | project2501a | anybody got a clue what other intel cpu is compatible with centrino duo, voltage wise |
| 19:59.01 | jhutchins | ZenWalker: I guess either wait for it to be fixed or fall back to the snapshot you made before the last update. |
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| 19:59.42 | jhutchins | ZenWalker: Finding bugs is the whole reason we run testing, right? |
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| 20:00.56 | fxiny | aguitel: is that squeeze or sid ? |
| 20:01.05 | grobe0ba | i'm having problem setting up a PPTP connection. i know the connection information is correct as i can connect using a different computer (and OS). are there any decent pptp clients other than pptp-client from repos? |
| 20:01.25 | fxiny | can't check packages version , i'm on lenny |
| 20:01.25 | aguitel | fxiny, squeeze |
| 20:01.25 | ZenWalker | jhutchins: how i fall back to the snapshot you made before the last update. |
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| 20:01.28 | ZenWalker | ? |
| 20:01.45 | grobe0ba | hey sentabi. how's it going? |
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| 20:02.19 | fxiny | aguitel: i always use aptitude in lenny , wait for a squeeze user to tell you more , no idea if something is broken |
| 20:02.53 | fxiny | not using apt-get since etch |
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| 20:09.49 | grobe0ba | anybody know of any other pptp clients other than pptp-client? |
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| 20:11.25 | b0nghitter | wow alot of debian docs are very out of date |
| 20:12.33 | fxiny | are you applying for the task ? ;) |
| 20:13.22 | b0nghitter | i just installed debian |
| 20:14.15 | Bushmills | does "out of date" mean "don't carry a recent time stamp" or "contain obsoleted information"? |
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| 20:15.29 | vallhalla | hey all need a lil help setting up a printer please |
| 20:15.53 | Bushmills | !cups |
| 20:15.53 | dpkg | methinks cups is the Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:16.14 | b0nghitter | Bushmills: contain obsoleted information |
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| 20:21.06 | b0nghitter | if i setup a jail for apache will it still be able to read a users ~/public_html ? |
| 20:21.37 | Fawkes | If the user's directory is within the jail: yes. Otherwise .. I don't think it can, no. |
| 20:22.17 | vallhalla | cups seems to have nothing in apt:( |
| 20:23.42 | Fawkes | Ah... what? |
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| 20:27.40 | b0nghitter | ok thanks Fawkes |
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| 20:28.42 | b0nghitter | what about normal apache with suexec and jailed user accounts? |
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| 20:29.32 | vallhalla | op i dont know how to set up my lexmark printer can any one help |
| 20:29.41 | vallhalla | i have tryed cups as sugested by deb wiki |
| 20:30.14 | ZenWalker | debian:~# dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools |
| 20:30.14 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:30.14 | ZenWalker | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:30.15 | ZenWalker | help me |
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| 20:30.31 | ZenWalker | sorry |
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| 20:31.42 | reodge | Zen, I had the same problem the other day |
| 20:31.54 | reodge | there was some package I had to uninstall and then it worked |
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| 20:32.08 | reodge | trying to remember what package it was now :) |
| 20:33.27 | Fawkes | ZenWalker: Have you got enough free space in /boot? |
| 20:33.42 | reodge | that could be another issue |
| 20:33.47 | reodge | do you have the package iscan installed? |
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| 20:45.12 | syslq1 | In grapichal presenation would xwindow system be above the bash / realated txt shells or in the same line? as in kernel, shell, applications? |
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| 20:47.37 | lindi- | syslq1: hmm? you don't need a shell at all to run X |
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| 20:48.32 | Fawkes | You can run X from a shell, and a shell from within X :) |
| 20:49.04 | Fawkes | In the end, they're both just applications. |
| 20:49.13 | syslq1 | lindi-: so once you set up X they are both just a way of communicating with system, so kernel -- shell/gui shell(x)--apps is correct |
| 20:49.14 | syslq1 | thanks |
| 20:49.24 | syslq1 | lindi-: yeah userspace both of them |
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| 20:50.52 | phorce1 | not sure this went through because I reset my firewall/router so if it's a double post ... sorry |
| 20:50.55 | phorce1 | so, multiple network connections. port 22 hole poked through the one that is my default gateway. But, trying to ssh into that IP address sends ssh into la-la land. No response. Before I poked the hole in the firewall it would pop back with a "connection refused" error. Now it just never responds. How can I tell if my sshd is sending the response back through the proper gateway? |
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| 20:52.58 | Fawkes | phorce1: You could try telnet to port 22 on that host to see if you get the SSH version response from sshd. |
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| 20:57.10 | phorce1 | Fawkes: same thing, no response at all. timeout. I just realized that it could be the firewall on the machine I'm trying to ssh FROM as well. I know it has 22 incoming blocked, may have 22 outgoing blocked as well. I'll have to test again from outside the firewalls when I go back to the house. Until I get it straight I have to ssh into one of the machines with a single net connection then ssh to the machine I need to access using |
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| 20:58.17 | acovrig | how do I do a 'factory restore' |
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| 20:59.17 | Fawkes | Of Debian? Reinstall from the CD, formatting all applicable partitions along the way. |
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| 21:00.05 | Fawkes | MAZTOR: Why? |
| 21:00.26 | NathanW | is anyone fluent with compaq proliant ml380 G3 raid controlers and debian? |
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| 21:08.56 | s3a | Could someone please tell me how to unround the numbers in a table in openoffice.org-writer? |
| 21:09.17 | s3a | I have lets say 0.1xxxxxxxxxx and it makes it 0.01 for example |
| 21:09.18 | puty | hi. i can't find kernel image 2.6.30 on lenny backports |
| 21:09.31 | s3a | and there is clearly enough space |
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| 21:12.33 | Jon_ | Hey there. I have icecast2 installed on my server with debian OS. I am wondering if I should put my localhost IP into the icecast2 configuration? |
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| 21:20.17 | acovrig | I can't install php, `apt-get install php(4|5)-cgi` (by http://redmine.lighttpd.net/wiki/1/TutorialLighttpdAndPHP), libpcre3=7.6-2.1, can I just use that? |
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| 21:39.29 | NathanW | has anyone ran in to the issue with compaq proliant server raid controlers not being supported by debian? |
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| 21:42.07 | Mordbrann | is there any reason why Debian would decide to make my degree symbol look like Ⱐinstead of ° or ⫠instead of ð? This is using the compose key |
| 21:43.11 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: The first two both look like degree symbols -- is that what you see? The first one looks more like a zero, and is fuzzier, though. |
| 21:43.14 | smhar | I switched from aptproxy to approx. but where does approx saves the downloaded debs? it is not configured in /etc/approx/approx.conf |
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| 21:43.43 | Mordbrann | utrrrongeeb, yeah, that's right, but the first one is not the utf degree symbol. I'm not sure what it is |
| 21:44.18 | Mordbrann | it's actually a superscript zero... |
| 21:44.34 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: Do you have the Gnome Character Map application, and what does it say it is? |
| 21:44.58 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: How are you making the symbols -- which Compose key? |
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| 21:45.17 | Mordbrann | ok, degree mystery solved, hehe |
| 21:45.38 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: How? |
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| 21:45.43 | Mordbrann | ^ compose 0 = superscripted zero |
| 21:45.51 | Mordbrann | 0 compose ^ = degree symbol |
| 21:46.06 | Mordbrann | and so it holds true with the Icelandic character too! |
| 21:46.23 | Mordbrann | it used to not matter what order I did the sequence in |
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| 21:46.42 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: But it's no longer a problem? |
| 21:46.59 | Mordbrann | now that I know why it's doing that, no |
| 21:47.17 | Mordbrann | but before ^ compose 0 or 0 compose ^ did the same thing |
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| 21:47.31 | Mordbrann | and likewise for d compose / or / compose d |
| 21:48.08 | Mordbrann | this has been pestering me for like a month and just figured it out now - thank you! |
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| 21:48.45 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: You're welcome |
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| 21:49.49 | Mordbrann | next problem is more daunting. can't seem to upload files without them stalling out; I think it might be due to my wireless driver or an mtu conflict, but that's not a Debian problem |
| 21:50.27 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: Upload to what? Do you have another OS to compare with? |
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| 21:51.05 | smhar | I switched from aptproxy to approx. but where does approx saves the downloaded debs? it is not configured in /etc/approx/approx.conf |
| 21:51.10 | Mordbrann | just uploading a file to gmail (to send) or sendspace or anything like that |
| 21:51.26 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: Can you compare how it works in another OS? |
| 21:51.34 | Mordbrann | smhar, try doing updatedb and locate one of the debs it sucks down |
| 21:51.50 | Mordbrann | utrrrongeeb, unfortunately no, but my dad's machines appear to have no problem |
| 21:51.57 | Mordbrann | both running Mac OSX |
| 21:52.16 | Fawkes | Are either of them snow leopard? |
| 21:52.46 | utrrrongeeb | Mordbrann: Sorry, networking timeouts like that are outside my knowledge. |
| 21:52.50 | Mordbrann | no idea |
| 21:53.02 | Arafangion | If they're somewhat new, then that would be yes. |
| 21:53.02 | Mordbrann | yeah, this is bizarre. gonna look at it with wireshark in a sec |
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| 21:53.11 | Mordbrann | oh they are old ^^ |
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| 21:53.22 | Mordbrann | father = cheap |
| 21:53.27 | utrrrongeeb | Fawkes: What's the significance? |
| 21:53.49 | syslq1 | What is the man switch that lists all man pages that utility is in (output is "menu like, it does not open man page"), but it's not -k? |
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| 21:54.15 | Arafangion | The only reason why "Snow Leopard" could possibly be significant is that's when they switched completely to 64-bit. |
| 21:54.38 | Mordbrann | syslq1, -k is apropos IIRC |
| 21:54.39 | Arafangion | syslq1: -k. :) NEXT! |
| 21:54.39 | mavhc | os x is dead |
| 21:54.42 | utrrrongeeb | Arafangion: How would that affect uploading? |
| 21:54.48 | Jon_ | a few questions on icecast2 configuration on a server with debian OS: 1. in <authentication> do you have to have a different password than "hackme" for it to work 2. in <hostname> do you have to do your computer's IP or the host's IP? 3. for <master-server> do you have to do your computer's IP or your server's IP? Thanks.. |
| 21:54.52 | Arafangion | utrrrongeeb: That I've no idea. |
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| 21:55.36 | Mordbrann | Jon_, #1 no, don't believe so, but it's a good idea |
| 21:55.45 | utrrrongeeb | Arafangion: Ok. I did ask Fawkes why he asked.... |
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| 21:56.11 | Arafangion | Yeah. Anyway - off to work I go! |
| 21:56.13 | syslq1 | Mordbrann: yes it is but it lists everything that mentiones searchname in description, not just "the exact thing" you're looking for |
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| 21:56.28 | Jon_ | Thanks, Mordbrann. Any idea on the other two points? |
| 21:56.59 | Mordbrann | Jon_, np; I would if my machine at home hadn't gone down due to power failure :( |
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| 21:57.11 | smhar | Mordbrann, my / is FULL. |
| 21:57.14 | Jon_ | Oh dear! So sorry to hear that :( |
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| 21:58.10 | Mordbrann | Jon_, yes it sucks big time. No where near it and the machine will only power on and turn off, sometimes even before the grub screen. Could be power supply, cpu or motherboard |
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| 21:58.23 | Mordbrann | smhar, apt-get clean? |
| 21:58.49 | smhar | Mordbrann, I do not want to loss everything I downloaded before |
| 21:59.41 | utrrrongeeb | syslq1: Maybe it's man -a? |
| 22:00.03 | Mordbrann | smhar, hmmm, so could you update your localdb? |
| 22:00.33 | Arafangion | smhar: Backup! |
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| 22:00.54 | smhar | Mordbrann, I deleted the debs of old kernel images and updatedb worked. now what? |
| 22:01.13 | syslq1 | utrrrongeeb: that opens man pages so output is not what I want, anyway thanks, I read that in one book I have somewhere and it worked, I'm just looking for it :) |
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| 22:01.42 | Mordbrann | smhar, do locate <packagename you just downloaded> and see where it's caching them |
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| 22:03.34 | qq- | Jon_, 2. in hostname (i'll) put "localhost", real fqdn is get by bind9, 3 . describe 'master-server' |
| 22:03.36 | NathanW | I was on here lastnight asking alot of questions about virtualization debian and the hardware i have, I beleave my raid controler card is the culprit for not being able to install debian, as its not supported at all, so i'm coureous is there a vmware server or virtualization server os that could be installed that would run on my hardware and yet still let me run debian virtual machines from it? does this make sence? |
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| 22:04.15 | woodworks | what man or info page should i look at first to configure dchp? |
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| 22:05.03 | Fawkes | Hmm. We just became demagnetised. |
| 22:05.41 | qq- | woodworks, non, see examples in dhcpd.conf |
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| 22:06.13 | woodworks | ah thanks, qq |
| 22:06.15 | qq- | and in /usr/share/doc/dhcp |
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| 22:08.40 | Jon_ | qq-, http://pastebin.org/382590 |
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| 22:10.21 | syslq1 | Eh, found it |
| 22:10.26 | syslq1 | it was man -k all along, ... |
| 22:11.39 | smhar | Mordbrann, ok. it is in /var/cache/approx . my whole / is just 4.6GB while I have a big partition -around 18GB- I used as store for apt-proxy. since it had an option in its .conf to specify it |
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| 22:12.16 | Mordbrann | smhar, alright, so maybe a symlink is in order? |
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| 22:13.24 | smhar | this is what I am thinking of now. thanks for the help Mordbrann |
| 22:14.15 | Mordbrann | smhar, no problem, glad to help! |
| 22:14.30 | qq- | Jon_, 3. so 127.0.0.1 seems ok for me |
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| 22:16.41 | Jon_ | qq-, thanks. This might sound confusing, but when I got my server I was sent my "IP" via email from the company. But I also have a different IP labeled "primary IP" on the dash in my server's control panel. Any idea which one to use there? Thanks. |
| 22:16.54 | hsa2 | hello |
| 22:17.19 | hsa2 | i am getting error of missing "apache_get_modules()" on a web application i use, where can i find it? |
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| 22:17.44 | vhuren | is there a cron manager utility or something that can be distributed over multiple servers? basically I only want a cron to run once but I have load balanced and failover servers that in the event the main one goes down I want crons and stuff to run on the next one is line etc? |
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| 22:19.35 | smhar | anyone using approx with a mixed debian versions network? |
| 22:19.53 | NathanW | is there any fix for the compaq proliant smart aray driver ? |
| 22:19.55 | Bushmills | vhuren: how would that benefit by running one cron only, rather than one cron per machine? |
| 22:20.39 | vhuren | bushmills: these crons do db updates so running it twice will create duplicate data |
| 22:21.02 | vhuren | any suggestions? |
| 22:21.03 | qq- | Jon_, "primary IP" and IP are the same ? i guess no |
| 22:21.32 | mentor | vhuren: No, cron does not do that |
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| 22:22.04 | Bushmills | update your db from cron of one machine only, and not from the others |
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| 22:22.25 | Sir_Konrad | Hey what is this Debian called? Lenny? |
| 22:22.52 | qq- | Sir_Konrad, /msg dpkg lenny |
| 22:22.53 | vhuren | mentor: any strategies to make it do that? |
| 22:22.59 | mentor | No |
| 22:23.03 | smhar | another question: is there a webinterface page for approx to view a daily or weekly report like apt-proxy has? google does not seem to know |
| 22:23.29 | mentor | vhuren: You need a load balancer and jobserver |
| 22:24.09 | Jon_ | how do I uninstall a program in debian OS? |
| 22:24.14 | Jon_ | what's the command? |
| 22:24.20 | Sir_Konrad | That's what I thought. I'm watching Toy Story and I just thought of Debian. ;) |
| 22:24.30 | vhuren | mentor: lets say I have a hw load balancer |
| 22:24.53 | qq- | Jon_, aptitude install <progname> |
| 22:25.05 | qq- | Jon_, aptitude remove <progname> |
| 22:25.12 | mentor | vhuren: I'm doubtful what you just said makes sense |
| 22:25.34 | mentor | vhuren: In that you're probably not referring to a web load balancer |
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| 22:26.13 | hsa2 | i am getting error of missing "apache_get_modules()" on a web application i use, where can i find it? |
| 22:27.09 | vhuren | mentor: k let me do more research |
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| 22:27.32 | Jon_ | qq-, typed in "aptitude[spacebar]remove[spacebar]icecast2" and received a syntax error. [spacebar] signified I hit the spacebar key. |
| 22:27.35 | bob555 | dpkg: printer |
| 22:27.35 | dpkg | A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups setup>, <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian. http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting . See also <lpo>. |
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| 22:27.41 | grobe0ba | are there any pptp clients that anyone knows of other than pptp-client? |
| 22:27.51 | bob555 | dpkg: cups setup |
| 22:27.51 | dpkg | i heard cups setup is "aptitude install cups cups-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>. |
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| 22:28.12 | bob555 | dpkg: thankyou |
| 22:28.13 | dpkg | de rien, bob555 |
| 22:29.03 | qq- | Jon_, doing that as root ? |
| 22:29.18 | Jon_ | qq-, no |
| 22:29.33 | qq- | so ..use root |
| 22:29.46 | Jon_ | qq-, ah, thanks :) |
| 22:29.56 | qq- | Jon_, "primary IP" and IP are the same ? i guess no |
| 22:30.29 | Bushmills | Jon_: you neglected to add a final [Enter] |
| 22:30.29 | Jon_ | qq-, no, they are not. When I log into putty, I can only log into the primary IP. The IP the host company told me was my IP refuses my connection. |
| 22:30.44 | woodworks | qq: went looking for dchp.conf and /usr/share/doc/dchp for my testing-debian, neither exist, on the stable-debian dchp.conf exists but is empty and no docs either |
| 22:30.49 | Jon_ | Bushmills, :P |
| 22:31.14 | bolt | is there a wiki or something on shm segments? what are they, and why can I run out if I restart x11vnc a lot? |
| 22:31.36 | bolt | found a script to clean them up, so there's no problem, really, i just want to know what i'm cleaning here |
| 22:31.56 | Bushmills | shared mem, sort of dynamically resizing RAM disk |
| 22:34.23 | qq- | Jon_, so "primary IP" is your remote control , and IP is public IP for the icecast clients (listeners) , sure just a guess |
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| 22:37.26 | Jon_ | LOL just called technical support and 127.0.0.1 is for all computers. |
| 22:37.42 | Jon_ | So when Putty was trying to connect to it, it was basically trying to connect to the computer that was hosting putty. |
| 22:38.14 | qq- | bolt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_memory |
| 22:38.16 | iceroot | Jon_: there is no place like 127.0.0.1 :) |
| 22:38.26 | Jon_ | yep. That's what he said :D |
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| 22:43.53 | craigevil | 127.0.0.1=localhost |
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| 22:52.19 | Beulah | >It it safe to assume that I shouldn't put 127.0.0.1 as the <hostname>, <master-server> or <server> in the icecast2 config? |
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| 22:52.47 | G-Farkas | Extrange loss of free disk space problem here. Hi, I'm using GNU Debian. Yesterday I get a lot of errors with plasma-desktop. I noticed then that I had 0bits of disk free in / . For saving space I did an "aptitude autoclean". It reports that I won about 240mb. Minutes later I noticed that I had again 0bits (without installing nothing). Today I made an "aptitude clean"(not autoclean) and I saved 950mb (i cheked it with dolphin). Without installin nothing but |
| 22:52.47 | G-Farkas | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.16 | qq- | Beulah, was previews Jon_ ? |
| 22:54.30 | Bushmills | autoclean is not clean. they're different |
| 22:54.46 | Beulah | qq-, yep. traded my gf laptops :S |
| 22:55.17 | jhutchins_lt | G-Farkas: Does your computer run 24 hours a day? |
| 22:55.25 | qq- | so ran /nick Jon_gf |
| 22:55.32 | qq- | Beulah, ^^ |
| 22:55.35 | Bushmills | you traded your girl friend against a laptop? |
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| 22:55.40 | G-Farkas | bushmannt, I know. I made autoclean yesterday. To save more disk today i made clean |
| 22:55.54 | G-Farkas | jhujhiti, Sometimes, normally not |
| 22:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if you need to run logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf (as root). |
| 22:56.28 | G-Farkas | bushmannt, what? |
| 22:56.48 | jhutchins_lt | G-Farkas: Do you have logging enabled in your IRC client? Lots of channels open? |
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| 22:57.50 | G-Farkas | jhutchins, No, In fact, it is almost imposible that the lack of space came from downloads. My speed conection can download 950mb in minutes. (i would take 6hours aprox) |
| 22:57.58 | jhutchins_lt | G-Farkas: Normally logrotate runs during overnight maintenance, I don't know how debian handles it if the system's not on. |
| 22:58.18 | G-Farkas | jhutchins, cant * |
| 22:58.36 | G-Farkas | jhutchins, what is logrotate? |
| 22:58.50 | jhutchins_lt | maintains the system logs, deletes old ones. |
| 22:59.51 | G-Farkas | jhutchins, I have only one user (me) well.. root too... But only was logged my user and even more, I was out the pc :s |
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| 23:00.25 | jhutchins_lt | G-Farkas: ls -l /var/log/messages |
| 23:00.30 | Bushmills | what file systems do you use? |
| 23:00.33 | G-Farkas | yes sr! |
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| 23:00.48 | G-Farkas | psi@psi:~$ ls -l /var/log/messages |
| 23:00.48 | G-Farkas | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 4792803 jul 4 16:39 /var/log/messages |
| 23:00.57 | G-Farkas | two lines are't flood :) |
| 23:01.14 | G-Farkas | Bushmills, ext4 for / |
| 23:01.18 | jhutchins_lt | G-Farkas: ls -l /var/log/ |
| 23:01.32 | Jon_gf_lol | qq-, is that a safe assumption about 127.0.0.1? |
| 23:01.41 | jhutchins_lt | Just for your own info, I know what it'll show. |
| 23:01.46 | qq- | Jon_gf_lol, for me yes |
| 23:01.49 | Bushmills | that's with squeeze, or with sid? |
| 23:02.21 | G-Farkas | bushmannt, squeeze |
| 23:02.34 | jhutchins_lt | So you have nearly 5G of system messages, other logs there could probably stand to be trimmed. |
| 23:02.35 | G-Farkas | jhutchins, Dont I pastebin it? |
| 23:02.45 | Bushmills | that's 5 MiB |
| 23:02.50 | jhutchins_lt | No, just look, lots of bytes. Run logrotate, it should clean some up. |
| 23:02.58 | jhutchins_lt | OOps. Yeah. |
| 23:03.05 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, I've gotta go feed horses. |
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| 23:03.48 | G-Farkas | jhutchins, horses can cook themselves |
| 23:04.07 | qq- | Jon_gf_lol, but what you trying to do exactly ? |
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| 23:05.31 | Jon_gf_lol | qq-, trying to hook up icecast on a linux server running debian OS |
| 23:05.44 | Jon_gf_lol | qq-, trying to make the configuration work |
| 23:05.59 | G-Farkas | here is the pastebin http://pastebin.org/383379 |
| 23:06.44 | isfranc | have a good night |
| 23:06.46 | isfranc | bye |
| 23:06.52 | qq- | Jon_gf_lol, configuration seems ok , start it and test it |
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| 23:08.50 | Jon_gf_lol | qq-, I did. I am using Edcast to broadcast the signal, and it reads "error, cannot connect to socket." |
| 23:09.24 | qq- | now google that error |
| 23:09.39 | G-Farkas | I got more info, maybe it can help. I just cheked the /usr folder, and it says me that I have 936mb free!!!! But in / says 0mb free and they are in the same partition!!!!! |
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| 23:10.25 | Bushmills | G-Farkas: du / | sort -n should give you an idea where the big stuff resides |
| 23:11.05 | G-Farkas | thanks Bushmills, ill try |
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| 23:12.38 | Jon_gf_lol | qq-, here is a solution posted when I checked google: "In the log, change SrcIP=127.0.0.1 to SrcIP=ANY. This should always be set this way. Now try to connect your source and see if it works." |
| 23:12.39 | Jon_gf_lol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:13.56 | qq- | let's try it |
| 23:15.34 | qq- | and may use icecast-server (as edcast is not in debian) to broadcast |
| 23:18.26 | Jon_ | qq-, A solution I found on google: "In the log, change SrcIP=127.0.0.1 to SrcIP=ANY. This should always be set this way. Now try to connect your source and see if it works." |
| 23:19.13 | qq- | just said that .. |
| 23:19.50 | beardy | If it always should, it would be the default.. set it to the interface your broadcasting on. |
| 23:20.02 | beardy | you're, dammit. |
| 23:20.05 | Jon_ | Sorry, my girlfriend switched computers with me AGAIN. heh. |
| 23:21.14 | qq- | Jon_, put a debian on yours , so no mere switches |
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| 23:21.27 | qq- | s/mere/more |
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| 23:26.33 | Jon_ | qq-, Don't understand what you mean by that... Are you talking about in the icecast config? |
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| 23:27.54 | qq- | Jon_, now you'r on windows , i suppose, so install debian on that laptop |
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| 23:43.31 | Jon_ | qq-, debian is already set up on my host server |
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| 23:46.22 | qq- | but not on the laptop you use right now, anyways back to topic |
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