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| 00:16.24 | Macer | hm |
| 00:16.27 | Macer | rtorrent keeps crashing |
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| 00:20.28 | Mordbrann | Macer, ctorrent? |
| 00:20.53 | Macer | no. rtorrent |
| 00:21.06 | Macer | keeps crashing during the hashing |
| 00:21.28 | holycow | hey guys. i have virtual box guests and i setup rc.d to start them all up on boot. the funny thing is two startup on boot and the other two refuse to even though i can start them up manually afterwareds. |
| 00:21.51 | holycow | any tips on debugging rc.d boot time issues prior to giving virtualbox the evil eye? |
| 00:22.15 | Macer | Mordbrann: then gain. the debian repos seem to have an old ver of rtorrent |
| 00:22.21 | Macer | i guess i can try ctorrent or transmission out |
| 00:22.28 | Mordbrann | Macer, huge dl I suppose too. Try using ... helvete... that simple gtk one |
| 00:22.38 | Mordbrann | I think you can open the torrent and it will check what's downloaded |
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| 00:23.36 | Mordbrann | cannot remember the name of it now for the life of me |
| 00:23.39 | Macer | Mordbrann: well. i was trying to keep this consoled |
| 00:23.44 | Mordbrann | and dpkg is not helping |
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| 00:24.06 | Macer | i'm running it on my artigo shell box ;) |
| 00:24.11 | Mordbrann | Macer, maybe ctorrent then? I'm not sure how you point it to what's been downloaded. Or maybe try the unstable version of rtorrent? |
| 00:24.11 | Macer | finally found a use for the thing |
| 00:24.17 | Mordbrann | :) |
| 00:24.45 | Macer | yeah. it's a 133GB torrent |
| 00:24.59 | Macer | ah well.. i'll see if i can just kind of get through it for now until i have time to figure out why it is crashing |
| 00:25.09 | Macer | right now the version i'm using is unstable ;) |
| 00:25.23 | Macer | thanks for the help |
| 00:27.36 | Mordbrann | np, wish I could be of more use |
| 00:28.04 | Mordbrann | if I were you I'd ssh it and use that gui one to finish it up, but 133GB is pretty huge |
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| 00:58.42 | nsadmin | how do I get out of rtorrent? |
| 01:00.20 | Macer | ctrl q |
| 01:00.33 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 01:00.52 | nsadmin | it wouldn't do anything... anyway, reading the man page... |
| 01:01.08 | Macer | you have to make an .rtorrent.rc |
| 01:01.18 | Macer | and edit quite a few settings |
| 01:01.24 | nsadmin | oh man... |
| 01:01.37 | nsadmin | is there a client I can just start? |
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| 01:01.54 | nsadmin | and/or... |
| 01:02.34 | nsadmin | is there somethign like an example .rc that has all the settings commented? |
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| 01:04.32 | nsadmin | so I add the torrent and it says [CLOSED] right away... |
| 01:05.10 | nsadmin | would this be a sign of old, cobwebs, no longer around, go away? |
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| 01:10.12 | tonsofpcs | booting a notebook system (setup as a desktop), X loads, no GDM or XDM, just the black-with-white outline X over a black background... any ideas how to fix this? I just did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade hoping that installing updated GDM would fix it... (didn't) |
| 01:11.01 | nsadmin | when you move mouse, does the X cursor move? |
| 01:11.33 | tonsofpcs | yes |
| 01:11.49 | nsadmin | that's a good sign, your X does work |
| 01:12.10 | nsadmin | it's just that it's not loading anything |
| 01:12.43 | tonsofpcs | right, X works, XDM/GDM appears not to be. I see some mismatch issues in logs but nothing that glaringly says "here's why nothing loaded" |
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| 01:14.09 | qq- | tonsofpcs, upgrade what to what ? |
| 01:14.36 | tonsofpcs | qq-: i haven't used the system in over a year... |
| 01:14.48 | tonsofpcs | so any out-of-date packages |
| 01:15.34 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:17.04 | tonsofpcs | hmmm.... it seems tthat init is launching X with xorg.conf.failsafe.... oddd.... |
| 01:17.10 | dongs | !uuid |
| 01:17.10 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 01:18.35 | ADEEJAY | this channel is kinda large |
| 01:18.51 | Voldenet | It is. |
| 01:19.02 | ADEEJAY | how can i become its next owner |
| 01:19.08 | ADEEJAY | you accept applications? |
| 01:19.20 | qq- | ADEEJAY, see topic |
| 01:19.21 | peterrooney | ADEEJAY: you don't. |
| 01:19.42 | ADEEJAY | qq- it says 'lenny (5.0.5) /msg dpkg 5.0.5 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 01:19.51 | ADEEJAY | what about it? |
| 01:20.23 | tonsofpcs | qq-: "lenny/sid" (it's Ubuntu Hardy) |
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| 01:20.52 | tonsofpcs | Xorg |
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| 01:21.05 | ADEEJAY | Xomg |
| 01:22.00 | Voldenet | !voteban ADEEJAY "you are not funny" |
| 01:22.00 | dpkg | Voldenet: okay |
| 01:22.00 | thepro4e1er | exit |
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| 01:22.00 | Voldenet | Oh, this works? :D |
| 01:22.02 | ADEEJAY | !unvoteban ADEEJAY |
| 01:22.19 | ADEEJAY | slaps dpkg around a bit with a large trout |
| 01:22.26 | ADEEJAY | work, you robot! |
| 01:22.28 | Voldenet | oh, nice you're using mIRC |
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| 01:22.48 | ADEEJAY | NO MY IDENTITY IS DISCLOSED |
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| 01:23.06 | Voldenet | eh, another troll. |
| 01:23.49 | VoldeTheFifth | yes, i'm a troll |
| 01:23.52 | qq- | !ops VoldeTheFifth troll |
| 01:23.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: VoldeTheFifth troll |
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| 01:24.18 | VoldeTheFifth | i feel marked down |
| 01:25.49 | LinusTorvalds | hey guys, i'm trying to write the new linux version, send me a message so i tell you how to donate money to me :-) thanks! |
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| 01:26.18 | tonsofpcs | LinusTorvalds: directly or via FSF? |
| 01:26.22 | tonsofpcs | [thanks :)] |
| 01:27.03 | tonsofpcs | should probably just ban him outright... |
| 01:27.28 | lost_soul | I concur |
| 01:27.35 | qq- | ++1 |
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| 01:28.01 | dvs | tonsofpcs++ |
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| 01:28.43 | Voldenet | qq-, you can't use pre-increment on constants |
| 01:28.51 | Voldenet | ;p |
| 01:29.27 | qq- | on troll yes |
| 01:29.32 | slvmchn | what's a package manager with a beside synaptic? i'm using xfce and not gnome |
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| 01:29.56 | Voldenet | aptitude |
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| 01:34.17 | nsadmin | , versions azureus |
| 01:34.19 | judd | azureus -- etch: 2.5.0.0+0-1; lenny: 3.1.1.0-4; sid: 4.3.0.6-1; squeeze: 4.3.0.6-1 |
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| 01:35.39 | ElllisD | I can't symlink java plugin to firefox plugins dir- there isnt one the way its installed. |
| 01:35.57 | ElllisD | no plugins dir that is |
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| 01:45.28 | peepsalot | ElllisD, so make one |
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| 01:45.57 | ElllisD | tried it, made one in home too, nothin |
| 01:46.58 | craigevil | why would you need to symlink browser plugins? aptitude install whatever and it does it for you |
| 01:47.01 | ElllisD | about:config says the java plugin's called the old name of it, not telling ff to look for the 'new generation' one they talk about- trying to change what ff looks for now |
| 01:48.34 | craigevil | azureus Depends: openjdk-6-jre | sun-java5-jre | sun-java6-jre doesnt matter which one you install it will pull in what is needed |
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| 01:50.58 | craigevil | although why anyone would want to use azureus is beyond me, there are many other choices that are much better |
| 01:51.16 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, i see a bunch of "CailReadATIRegister" lines (and some Write lines) but the very last line in gdm/\:0.log is "FreeFontPath: FPE \"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc\" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing." .... i wonder where that is or how to fix it |
| 01:51.23 | ElllisD | its probably because its 64-bit- brb |
| 01:51.47 | tonsofpcs | (i'm now seeing it try to load a few times then fail and tell me it will retry in 2 minutes) |
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| 01:58.02 | qq- | tonsofpcs, and all this on an ubuntu hardy system .. |
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| 02:16.42 | lontra | hi i just copied all my files and directories from a usb onto my hard drive and all of my files are in read only. how can i change these to read+write permission? ... i tried chmod +w Documents/* but that didn't work |
| 02:17.16 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.30 | Voldenet | recursive! |
| 02:18.10 | Voldenet | chmod -R 644 Documents/* |
| 02:18.18 | Voldenet | use chown before |
| 02:18.20 | lontra | oh recursive! |
| 02:18.39 | lontra | Voldenet: that makes sense! |
| 02:18.47 | Voldenet | ye |
| 02:18.51 | Voldenet | if you copied it as root |
| 02:19.04 | Voldenet | you have to chown files you copied |
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| 02:23.04 | lontra | Voldenet: do that as regular user or root? |
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| 02:23.26 | lontra | i am owner of the files ... just only have read access |
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| 02:24.01 | Voldenet | ah |
| 02:24.07 | Voldenet | then chmod only |
| 02:24.23 | lontra | ok so chmod -R +w foo/ |
| 02:24.33 | Voldenet | yes |
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| 02:36.10 | tonsofpcs | qq-: yea? |
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| 02:44.12 | Pegasus-Rider | Prompt please if there is a way to check which modules are bundled with a lighttpd build? Would lighty-enable* report be enough? |
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| 03:27.29 | se7en | someone know if the PIXMA MP276 canon printer works with sid? |
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| 03:28.17 | liable | google would be your best bet |
| 03:28.52 | se7en | did that and found http://support-asia.canon-asia.com/P/search?model=PIXMA+MP276&menu=download&filter=0&tagname=g_os&g_os=Linux liable |
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| 03:29.34 | se7en | i am just not sure if *.deb is debian or ubuntu.deb |
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| 03:30.08 | liable | it shouldnt matter |
| 03:30.17 | liable | drivers are just ppd files usually |
| 03:31.09 | se7en | ok normaly i don't like to mix debian.deb with ubuntu.deb |
| 03:31.28 | liable | yeah, normally i wouldnt suggest you do either :) |
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| 03:31.59 | se7en | which is very sad ... but that is another story |
| 03:32.13 | liable | see if theres any drivers already in cups first though |
| 03:32.34 | liable | just because canon have released one, doesn't mean its not already supported |
| 03:32.59 | liable | but if you are asking before buying, then yeah, it would appear to be a safe buy |
| 03:33.07 | se7en | is there a site where i can check what cups supports |
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| 03:33.34 | liable | cups.org? |
| 03:33.51 | se7en | :) |
| 03:33.58 | se7en | thanks for your help liable |
| 03:34.06 | liable | you're welcome |
| 03:35.35 | Rusty1 | http://www.openprinting.org/printers << se7en dunno |
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| 03:37.36 | se7en | yes i checked openprinting Rusty1 but they don't have that model and the printer is also not listed at cups.org |
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| 03:42.10 | nsadmin | se7en: you could choose to buy a printer other than the one you're considering buying now... |
| 03:42.31 | se7en | nsadmin: i am working on that idea :) |
| 03:45.15 | nsadmin | that's a good thing... it's kinda unfortunate when questions like that come in and it turns out they already bought the hardware; lots of times they'd be told to find how to return it and get one that is known to work |
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| 03:47.39 | liable | get one that supports ipp :) |
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| 03:51.44 | se7en | nsadmin: can't remember when i just walked into a shop and got some hardware without checking before if it works. only windows user have that luxery, that's why most of them don't even know what hardware they have. |
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| 03:52.39 | nsadmin | se7en, good point |
| 03:53.58 | se7en | trouble with checking is only that linux developes so fast that a report from 12.2009 could be already outdated |
| 03:55.02 | nsadmin | yeah, 7 months is a long time ago |
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| 04:12.11 | ChSR[wrk] | anyone having experience with ipv6 :? |
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| 04:20.26 | Bushmills | yes, somebody does |
| 04:21.19 | nsadmin | that would be me... my experience is with the spelling of the acronym... |
| 04:21.54 | nsadmin | eye-peee-veee-wun-wun-wun-wun-wun-wun |
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| 04:22.37 | nsadmin | ChSR[wrk]. but seriously... |
| 04:22.41 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 04:22.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:23.07 | ChSR[wrk] | ah, at last :) |
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| 04:23.39 | ChSR[wrk] | i'm trying to setup IPv6 via Hurricane electric (tunneling) |
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| 04:24.21 | Bushmills | that is nice that you inform the world what you are doing |
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| 04:24.34 | ChSR[wrk] | yeah, the questions |
| 04:24.54 | nsadmin | should be sicco |
| 04:24.57 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 04:24.57 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 04:25.01 | Bushmills | i am stirring my tea, after having added some sugar |
| 04:25.36 | ChSR[wrk] | first: i cant access my IPv6 addresses from HE, because my config (/etc/network/interfaces) says: ioctl: No buffer space available |
| 04:25.42 | nsadmin | would that qualify as a stirring description? |
| 04:25.42 | ChSR[wrk] | any ideas how i can debug this? |
| 04:26.12 | nsadmin | are you out of ram? |
| 04:26.38 | ChSR[wrk] | no way :) |
| 04:26.50 | ChSR[wrk] | top says: 64692k free, 132332k buffers |
| 04:27.30 | ChSR[wrk] | i googled a lot and i found that something returns "No buffer space available" in case of failure after "ifup hetunnel" |
| 04:27.40 | ChSR[wrk] | and i cant get from where is the error in my config |
| 04:28.22 | ChSR[wrk] | nothing in /var/log/messages or /var/log/kernel |
| 04:28.24 | ChSR[wrk] | argh |
| 04:28.38 | nsadmin | or dmesg? |
| 04:29.39 | ChSR[wrk] | nope |
| 04:30.19 | nsadmin | could something in that file be causing something to ask for more ram than you have? |
| 04:30.31 | ChSR[wrk] | maybe i'd used outdated info about how to setup my `interfaces` fo;e " |
| 04:30.35 | ChSR[wrk] | * :? |
| 04:30.41 | ChSR[wrk] | now :) |
| 04:30.55 | ChSR[wrk] | its a 10 lines file (interfaces), no way |
| 04:31.28 | nsadmin | pastebin the file |
| 04:31.31 | ChSR[wrk] | sec |
| 04:31.57 | nsadmin | btw, I personally have zero experience with hurricane or tunnels |
| 04:32.14 | nsadmin | but people who do might want to see that info |
| 04:32.25 | ChSR[wrk] | http://pastebin.com/WDxwhrGi |
| 04:32.47 | ChSR[wrk] | eth0, eth1 are ok |
| 04:32.56 | ChSR[wrk] | but `het` is not working |
| 04:33.01 | nsadmin | also, if you were to collect information on what you did already into a file (aka your issue's history), that might be helpful |
| 04:33.10 | ChSR[wrk] | when i try to ifup het it gave the error |
| 04:34.04 | ChSR[wrk] | nothing interesting...i tested ~5 examples of how to configure my `interfaces` for tunneling through he |
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| 04:34.32 | ChSR[wrk] | something about the config: pre-up /root/inetup, changes my mac (isp got my old mac..so i'd to fake it) |
| 04:34.52 | ChSR[wrk] | i did some ifup/ifdown's and thats all :) |
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| 04:36.05 | nsadmin | I'd say the netmask spec is weird... make sure about it via man 5 interfaces |
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| 04:37.25 | nsadmin | hmm, no, looks good |
| 04:37.41 | ChSR[wrk] | hm |
| 04:37.54 | nsadmin | are you sure that's your mask? |
| 04:37.56 | ChSR[wrk] | i guess that for IPv6 it must be in that form |
| 04:38.01 | ChSR[wrk] | not really |
| 04:38.11 | ChSR[wrk] | i've /48 and /64 addresses from HE |
| 04:38.17 | nsadmin | ok, you need to check with your provider |
| 04:38.35 | ChSR[wrk] | as i understand /64 is for using it with single ip (or my "user class" of ips) |
| 04:38.45 | ChSR[wrk] | and /48 is for routing whole network |
| 04:39.02 | ChSR[wrk] | all the tutorials says netmask 64, so i guess thats in my case |
| 04:39.20 | nsadmin | you need to know what the netmask is |
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| 04:39.37 | nsadmin | generally provider gives netmask and address |
| 04:40.46 | ChSR[wrk] | hm, let me see |
| 04:41.58 | tonsofpcs | ok, i just got out of dep-hell. Do I distupgrade and then reinstall X aand gdm and gnome and all thatt or do i reinstall them then distupgrade? |
| 04:42.01 | tonsofpcs | (at hardy now) |
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| 04:42.58 | se7en | hardy as in *buntu? tonsofpcs |
| 04:43.19 | tonsofpcs | ya |
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| 04:43.35 | tonsofpcs | u |
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| 04:43.56 | tonsofpcs | meh, people there are stupid, they don't understand how apt can get corrupted ;) |
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| 05:08.12 | Bushmills | tonsofpcs: yes, agreed. some aren't even able to find the right channels for their questions |
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| 05:11.07 | tonsofpcs | Bushmills: I found the right channel for the answer rather than for the question ;) |
| 05:11.27 | prince_jammys | what is the preferred way (in debian squeeze) of invoking a script in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 05:11.58 | prince_jammys | you can invoke directly, or with invoke-rc.d, or with 'service', or with ... |
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| 05:12.38 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d directly tends to pick up the environment variables in the shell it's run from. |
| 05:13.10 | prince_jammys | yeah, and 'service' doesn't. i'm not in the know about invoke-rc.d, though the manual awaits. |
| 05:13.17 | Bushmills | prince_jammys: when calling them interactively, i run them from scripts in /usr/local/sbin, called start, stop, reload, restart |
| 05:13.20 | simonrvn | same as service |
| 05:13.47 | prince_jammys | service leaves only TERM, LC_something, and few others |
| 05:14.37 | prince_jammys | Bushmills: simple wrappers |
| 05:14.38 | prince_jammys | ? |
| 05:14.46 | Bushmills | right |
| 05:14.52 | prince_jammys | what do you change? |
| 05:15.38 | Bushmills | script adds invocation path, and just passes script name as argument. |
| 05:16.06 | Bushmills | (i.e. linkable/symlinkable) |
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| 05:26.26 | prince_jammys | Bushmills: just so you can say 'start foo' instead of '/etc/init.d/foo start' ? |
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| 05:28.47 | prince_jammys | a pretty low-cost solution, even if that convenience is what you get |
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| 05:30.15 | joules2 | hello, how to install flash player and acroread? |
| 05:30.42 | Bushmills | prince_jammys: right. just catering my laziness |
| 05:31.10 | prince_jammys | fair enough |
| 05:32.07 | Bushmills | i could probably reason that i add an abstraction level which reduces my dependency on actual path of init scripts |
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| 05:32.48 | steve_b | hi, im having huges problem , i got lvm setup on one machine and there has been runned reiserfsck '/dev/vol/vol1 VG Name' on that , so now mounting that lmv doesnt work any more , 'you must specify the filesystem type' in dmesg i get like 'ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 45874 does not match to the expected one -1' |
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| 05:33.29 | nsadmin | steve_b, reiser? so you have backups yes? |
| 05:33.34 | steve_b | no |
| 05:33.50 | steve_b | it happen after resizing that lvm |
| 05:34.06 | nsadmin | which version of reiser? |
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| 05:35.03 | nsadmin | reiser3 has known instances of full filesystem failure, unfortunately |
| 05:35.07 | steve_b | well resizing that lvm, but one guy did run this reiserfsck on that volume file /dev/vol1/vol1 that seems has fucked it |
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| 05:35.24 | steve_b | well resizing that lvm worked |
| 05:35.56 | nsadmin | so the resize worked but then someone else did something? |
| 05:36.00 | steve_b | ys |
| 05:36.02 | steve_b | yes* |
| 05:36.24 | steve_b | i have this LV Name /dev/vol1/vol |
| 05:36.35 | joules2 | i need to install acroread and flash player on debian lenny but don't know how. |
| 05:37.09 | steve_b | and this reiserfsck has been runned on that /dev/vol1/vol file and changed |
| 05:37.16 | nsadmin | joules2: for acroread you could try xpdf, gpdf, kpdf |
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| 05:37.29 | joules2 | nsadmin: no acroread is needed for form filling. |
| 05:37.47 | nsadmin | dunno, is it packaged for debian? |
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| 05:38.01 | nsadmin | check packages.debian.org |
| 05:38.05 | joules2 | i think so. |
| 05:38.25 | nsadmin | so you checked just now? |
| 05:38.40 | joules2 | apt-cache search acroread brings up nothing. |
| 05:38.43 | Bushmills | joules2: or evince |
| 05:38.57 | joules2 | can't need acroread sorry. |
| 05:39.06 | nsadmin | and you know the exact package name because you checked just now? |
| 05:39.36 | joules2 | found it here. http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/a/acroread/ |
| 05:40.15 | nsadmin | then you would need debian-multimedia source in your sources.list |
| 05:41.00 | joules2 | righto |
| 05:41.24 | nsadmin | here's something to help with that |
| 05:41.26 | nsadmin | !dmm |
| 05:41.26 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 05:43.07 | b0nghitter | theres no NX server package?? |
| 05:43.27 | nsadmin | steve_b, btw really sorry that happened to you... I'll suggest you unmount that partition and copy the image of the partition before doing anything else. I do -not- know if it's possible to recover. |
| 05:43.30 | joules2 | ok thanks. |
| 05:44.26 | nsadmin | , versions flash-player-non-free |
| 05:44.30 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'flash-player-non-free' was found. |
| 05:44.32 | nsadmin | , versions flash-player-non-ree |
| 05:44.34 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'flash-player-non-ree' was found. |
| 05:44.37 | nsadmin | , versions flash-player-nonfree |
| 05:44.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'flash-player-nonfree' was found. |
| 05:44.50 | joules2 | yeh i need flash aswell. |
| 05:45.07 | nsadmin | well it's not by any of those names :) |
| 05:45.48 | nsadmin | b0nghitter, what's NX? |
| 05:45.54 | PinkFreud | , versions flashplayer-nonfree |
| 05:45.55 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'flashplayer-nonfree' was found. |
| 05:46.25 | PinkFreud | , versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:46.26 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
| 05:46.29 | PinkFreud | that's it. |
| 05:46.49 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 05:46.56 | joules2 | lenny-backports? |
| 05:47.03 | joules2 | alright |
| 05:47.31 | joules2 | is flash-player still a security risk? |
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| 05:49.04 | joules2 | i also need firefox |
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| 05:49.30 | nsadmin | that would be iceweasel, debian cannot distribute firefox (under that name) |
| 05:49.39 | rue_bed | anyone know what became of bitchx? |
| 05:49.42 | devzero | hi |
| 05:49.55 | nsadmin | , versions bitchx |
| 05:49.56 | devzero | where can i get a version of debian with kfreebsd? |
| 05:49.56 | judd | bitchx -- etch: 1:1.1-4 |
| 05:50.07 | rue_bed | yea, what became of it? |
| 05:50.27 | nsadmin | !btx |
| 05:50.31 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 05:50.31 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 05:51.03 | nsadmin | http://bugs.debian.org/bitchx |
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| 05:51.15 | devzero | ? |
| 05:51.22 | rue_bed | you saying its still there? |
| 05:51.30 | rozie | devzero: www.debian.org |
| 05:51.40 | PinkFreud | devzero: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 05:51.48 | rozie | but's not an official port in stable |
| 05:52.37 | rue_bed | huh, I have a bunch of machines that cant find it |
| 05:52.41 | rue_bed | new installs |
| 05:52.54 | rue_bed | oh well, must be a layer 7 problem, thanks |
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| 05:55.02 | rue_bed | layer 8 problem, sorry :) |
| 05:55.14 | devzero | damn i cant found it |
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| 05:55.52 | devzero | can someone help e to find the download link for an i386 |
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| 05:56.14 | se7en | apt-get install bitchx |
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| 05:57.17 | Sanitoeter | how do I update /etc config files after installation of a package if I accidentially clicked "keep files" during the installation? |
| 05:57.22 | nsadmin | it's not in lenny at all... that would be why his new installs can't find it |
| 05:58.16 | se7en | hmm its not in sid either ??? |
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| 06:00.32 | nsadmin | when I checked before here, it didn't look like it |
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| 06:01.03 | PinkFreud | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=bitchx;dist=unstable |
| 06:01.07 | se7en | http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=bitchx+lenny&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= looks like there is a problem with bitchx |
| 06:01.12 | PinkFreud | looks like the package lost it's maintainer. |
| 06:01.26 | se7en | :) irssi rox anyway |
| 06:01.28 | ChSR[wrk] | "If due to a misconfiguration a v4tunnel interface you have brought up with ifup has failed, you need to manually delete it before trying again or this annoying error will happen: ioctl: No buffer space available" |
| 06:01.31 | ChSR[wrk] | arghhhh |
| 06:01.38 | ChSR[wrk] | nsadmin i found it :) |
| 06:01.47 | nsadmin | you did? |
| 06:01.51 | nsadmin | and it works now? |
| 06:02.17 | nsadmin | I'm sorry, but that's just awesome :) |
| 06:02.47 | ChSR[wrk] | yeaaah |
| 06:02.57 | ChSR[wrk] | after 2hours of googlin' :) |
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| 06:03.59 | nsadmin | awesome work |
| 06:04.24 | nsadmin | so did the netmask turn out to be correct? |
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| 06:05.54 | ChSR[wrk] | yes it was correct |
| 06:06.26 | ChSR[wrk] | seems that when configuring ipv6 (inet6) in `interfaces` it must use only the bits (48/64/etc) |
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| 06:09.36 | joules2 | Has anyone d/loaded firefox and installed manually:? |
| 06:09.53 | Sanitoeter | yes |
| 06:10.17 | joules2 | where does it go? /usr local? |
| 06:10.39 | Sanitoeter | I placed it in /opt |
| 06:10.48 | Sanitoeter | I dunno if is makes any difference |
| 06:11.06 | joules2 | ok |
| 06:11.11 | Sanitoeter | but you should symlink it to /usr/bin/firefox :) |
| 06:11.36 | prince_jammys | why? |
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| 06:12.25 | Sanitoeter | because /opt/firefox is not in your $PATH probably |
| 06:12.36 | prince_jammys | oh, just add /opt/whatever to your PATH, in your profile. |
| 06:12.38 | Sanitoeter | or /usr/local/firefox or whatever |
| 06:13.07 | Sanitoeter | I find symlinking easier than having every subdir of eg /opt in my path |
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| 06:36.20 | steve_b | is it safe to run mkfs.ext3 -m0 -F /dev/vol/vol1 or will it wipe out all data from my lvm ? |
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| 06:39.20 | nsadmin | mkfs will erase data. |
| 06:39.57 | steve_b | okei |
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| 06:45.01 | cybercobra | how do I figure out what exact version of a package will be installed without installing it? |
| 06:47.50 | liable | cybercobra: aptitude show |
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| 06:49.01 | arnuld | hi guys |
| 06:49.29 | arnuld | I downloaded Debian 504 a few weeks ago and today I see 505 is available |
| 06:49.30 | arnuld | :-\ |
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| 06:49.42 | liable | and? |
| 06:49.51 | arnuld | do I need to download all 505 DVDs now ? |
| 06:49.51 | cristi8 | hi, can i find package libcupsys2-gnutls10 for lenny? |
| 06:49.57 | liable | arnuld: no |
| 06:50.17 | liable | arnuld: the box doesnt have net access? |
| 06:50.18 | streuner | judd, versions lubcupsys2-gnutls10 |
| 06:50.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lubcupsys2-gnutls10' was found. |
| 06:50.27 | streuner | judd, versions lobcupsys2-gnutls10 |
| 06:50.29 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lobcupsys2-gnutls10' was found. |
| 06:50.31 | arnuld | liable: no |
| 06:50.33 | streuner | judd, versions libcupsys2-gnutls10 |
| 06:50.34 | judd | libcupsys2-gnutls10 -- etch: 1.2.7-4+etch9; etch-security: 1.2.7-4+etch9 |
| 06:51.00 | liable | arnuld: those releases are minor updates |
| 06:51.10 | liable | dont worry about it |
| 06:51.14 | cybercobra | liable: thanks! |
| 06:51.18 | cristi8 | streuner: i downloaded the package and " dpkg -i " it, and it says that --control returns 2 |
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| 06:51.21 | arnuld | liable: what about 505 update DVD, can I update the 504 system with it , http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/bt-dvd/ ? |
| 06:51.47 | arnuld | liable: minor.. hmm.. ok, I can igonore it means |
| 06:51.47 | streuner | cristi8: just try to backport, it might work |
| 06:52.03 | cristi8 | i don't know how |
| 06:52.23 | streuner | cristi8: the procedure is the same like simple sid backport (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 06:52.42 | liable | arnuld: of course you can get it, but if the box isnt on the net, i wouldn't really bother |
| 06:53.16 | streuner | cristi8: wait, you are using lenny and want that package out of etch? |
| 06:53.21 | cristi8 | yep |
| 06:53.41 | cristi8 | i think the libcupsys2 package contains what i need, and i have it installed |
| 06:53.43 | arnuld | liable: if I conntec it to net (e.g. at my friend's place) for few hours |
| 06:53.54 | arnuld | liable: then what can I do ? |
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| 06:53.57 | cristi8 | but i have a driver package from 3rd party rep that requires -tls10 |
| 06:54.20 | liable | arnuld: run a update to pull in security updates |
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| 06:54.37 | arnuld | liable: thanks :) |
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| 06:54.45 | liable | yw |
| 06:56.35 | streuner | cristi8: why do you need a package out of etch at all? |
| 06:57.06 | streuner | cristi8: (in order to solve what kind of problem you arent able with lenny) |
| 06:57.09 | cristi8 | i have a printer driver package, from a 3rd party rep. now this package depends on that etch package |
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| 06:57.32 | streuner | hm |
| 06:57.42 | streuner | buy a network printer - done |
| 06:57.52 | streuner | what kind of printer? |
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| 06:58.52 | cristi8 | i have canon pixma ip1500 |
| 06:58.53 | nsadmin | cristi8: do they not have updated package? |
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| 06:59.01 | streuner | argh - Canon |
| 06:59.09 | cristi8 | no.. |
| 06:59.38 | cristi8 | http://codepad.org/emXGNlDq |
| 06:59.39 | dima202 | I think I just found a problem. I created a file test in which i typed sudo ifconfig now when i type sh test it doesn't ask me for the password |
| 07:00.08 | dima202 | but it does go through with the command.. is the a security problem? |
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| 07:00.49 | nsadmin | cristi8: might this help: http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ |
| 07:01.20 | nsadmin | or this: |
| 07:01.22 | cristi8 | nsadmin: that's where i set repository |
| 07:01.26 | nsadmin | http://www.google.com/search?q=driver+canon+pixma+ip1500+debian+lenny&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 07:01.41 | liable_ | stupid internet |
| 07:02.19 | cristi8 | nsadmin: searching for 2 days on the net.. ubuntu users seem to be able to install them, but debian users are left with problem unsolved |
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| 07:02.37 | nsadmin | finding the difference is the key |
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| 07:04.20 | streuner | chris: if hardware isnt good supported, i just sell it and buy something else |
| 07:04.35 | dima202 | Debain stopped asking me for root password when i do sudo |
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| 07:04.52 | cristi8 | how can i install a package anyway even if deps are not meet? |
| 07:05.04 | nsadmin | Someone thinks Deb married Ain! |
| 07:05.07 | liable_ | dima202: its not supposed to ask for root password |
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| 07:05.30 | cristi8 | Ain? |
| 07:05.32 | liable_ | dima202: it also has a time limit where if you use it within a period of time, it wont ask for the user password |
| 07:05.37 | dima202 | liable_: i mean user password |
| 07:05.51 | liable_ | s/use/reuse/ |
| 07:06.24 | dima202 | liable_: how long until it runs ouyt? i want to test something and i need to test it so it will askk me for passwd |
| 07:06.47 | liable_ | dunno, ten minutes i think, read the manpage, its configurable |
| 07:08.05 | prince_jammys | sudo sudo -V | grep timeout # goofy, i know. |
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| 07:08.35 | dima202 | 15 minutes then |
| 07:09.29 | cristi8 | nsadmin: i read that "the dependency libcupsys2-gnutls10 (>= 1.1.23-1) is just a symbolic link...if you have libcupsys2 installed it's not a problem" |
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| 07:09.50 | dima202 | I want to write a backup script. so sudo mount then rsync -va this that should work? |
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| 07:10.01 | cristi8 | and i have it installed.. so.. is it unsafe to install without caring for dependencies? |
| 07:10.20 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 07:10.39 | nsadmin | probably not without -caring- in some form |
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| 07:11.21 | cristi8 | well it's an old (for etch) package from that japanese page, and was probably not updated for the new lenny package |
| 07:11.44 | cristi8 | so.. can you please tell me how do i install it without that dependency? |
| 07:11.57 | NathanW | debian haings during install on a proliant ML350 G3, gets thrue everything once it goes to install the system bam 5% haing every time and only way to get out of it is to reboot, cant even find a log file... i said well lets try fbsd, and i get a scrolling dump card state ends "infinite interrupt loop, any clues? |
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| 07:12.38 | nsadmin | not sure. what I would do is look for the ubuntu driver package, you already have this package, and compare the driver files byte by byte (cmp does that) to see if they match |
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| 07:12.49 | nsadmin | if not, there must be a newer driver |
| 07:13.04 | nsadmin | or at least a different driver, that ubuntu is using |
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| 07:17.38 | alcohol | mornin' all |
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| 07:18.54 | NathanW | any clunes on that at all? |
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| 07:19.55 | NathanW | morning alcohol |
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| 07:22.09 | nsadmin | exactly what were you doing when it froze |
| 07:22.19 | nsadmin | did you try more than once |
| 07:22.35 | nsadmin | did it freeze in the same place every time |
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| 07:29.11 | cristi8 | nsadmin: i installed the 3rd party package with --force-depends , and now i can print. problem is aptitude reports it as broken. can i make him forget about that? |
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| 07:38.03 | dima202 | How can I write a bash script that will ask for users password if sudo requires it |
| 07:38.23 | nsadmin | cristi8: you could try getting the package sources and build the package, then install the result |
| 07:39.57 | ansgar | dima202: Just run sudo in the script and it will prompt the user itself. |
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| 07:40.59 | dalias | is there any way to make apt-get use a socks proxy? |
| 07:41.06 | dalias | i can find http-proxy in the docs but not sucks |
| 07:41.10 | dalias | socks* |
| 07:41.12 | Bushmills | NathanW: run a RAM test |
| 07:41.44 | dalias | my shitty isp's transparent proxy keeps corrupting http transfers resulting in md5/sig mismatches |
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| 07:44.20 | se7en | xterm -e sudo command dima202 |
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| 07:47.16 | OpenTokix | dalias: lol |
| 07:47.20 | OpenTokix | dalias: change isp |
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| 07:48.06 | dalias | tsocks fixed it |
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| 07:48.14 | Bushmills | dalias: socksify could help |
| 07:48.29 | dalias | socksify sounds similar to tsocks |
| 07:48.38 | dalias | any reason to prefer one over the other? |
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| 07:49.03 | Bushmills | use whatever works better for you |
| 07:49.06 | dima202 | thanks ansgar it worked |
| 07:49.25 | dalias | wow this is so much faster |
| 07:49.33 | dima202 | rsync is giving me errors failed: Operation not supported (95) |
| 07:52.07 | dalias | stupid isp's transparent proxy hangs for 1-5 seconds on each http connect, presumably swapping :-( |
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| 07:52.41 | wrksx | my mysql data files are growing FAST, I would like to move it to another disk. But the only large space I got is mounted on /home. So here's my question: is this ok to create a directory under /home (like /home/data) that would contain mysql datas ? is there any counter indications ? |
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| 07:55.00 | Bushmills | dalias: socks4 vs socks 5 determines where resolving of host names is done. such a delay may be caused by a non-responding first recursive name server |
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| 07:55.58 | dalias | no, the delay is definitely in the actual connection |
| 07:56.09 | dalias | apt-get hangs on 'waiting for headers' |
| 07:56.56 | dalias | and 5% of the time, instead of dropping the connection and letting the client handle the error, the crappy transparent proxy returns its own generated error page in place of the requested doument |
| 07:57.00 | dalias | its a hideous system |
| 07:57.16 | Bushmills | do you have a remote server somewhere? |
| 07:57.28 | dalias | but the alternative is 2g gprs :-p |
| 07:57.28 | dalias | yes |
| 07:57.39 | dalias | thats what i wanted socks for (and tsocks provided it) |
| 07:57.44 | Bushmills | use it as gateway, through an udp tunnel to it |
| 07:57.49 | Bushmills | openvpn, for exampe |
| 07:57.49 | Bushmills | le |
| 07:58.03 | dalias | ssh -D :-) |
| 07:58.21 | Bushmills | redirect-gateway :) |
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| 08:02.00 | TVC | Does anyone know of a good tutorial on installing an OpenVPN Server on Debian 5 for Windows' clients to connect, all the ones I've found don't work... |
| 08:02.25 | Bushmills | TVC: enter !howto on the ##openvpn channel |
| 08:02.33 | TVC | ahk |
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| 08:08.14 | x-demon | anyone using openvz? |
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| 08:08.23 | nsadmin | guessing... |
| 08:08.26 | nsadmin | umm... |
| 08:08.28 | x-demon | today all my 64bit-based servers with openvz kernel went offline |
| 08:08.29 | nsadmin | I dunno! |
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| 08:09.13 | nsadmin | this kernel came directly from a debian mirror? |
| 08:09.41 | x-demon | yes |
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| 08:09.49 | nsadmin | your uname -r? |
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| 08:10.17 | x-demon | uh, can't check. but i can say this is latest linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz for amd64 |
| 08:10.26 | x-demon | for lenny |
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| 08:11.22 | nsadmin | ok, what do you know so far? |
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| 08:12.30 | x-demon | nothing, looks like hdd's corrupted to |
| 08:12.46 | x-demon | i can say that this issue related to 64bit only |
| 08:13.03 | nsadmin | not much to go on |
| 08:13.10 | installnewbie | help with installing debian |
| 08:13.12 | nsadmin | have you checked the bts? |
| 08:13.17 | dima202 | can someone explain this error unary operator expected |
| 08:13.22 | installnewbie | debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 08:13.25 | installnewbie | any clue guys? |
| 08:13.35 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 08:13.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:13.37 | Bushmills | dima202: you gave more than one argument |
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| 08:14.01 | Bushmills | (while only one was expected. possibly due to not quoting a string which contains a space) |
| 08:14.24 | nsadmin | installnewbie: /msg dpkg sicco ; /msg dpkg ask (which you just saw) |
| 08:14.27 | dima202 | if [ $(sudo sh /home/dima/fstab) == "" ] ; then |
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| 08:14.44 | dima202 | thats bad isn't it |
| 08:15.09 | lindi- | dima202: that's like logging in as root :) |
| 08:15.30 | x-demon | nsadmin, nearly all servers went offline, one server is still up, but vzctl shows nothing |
| 08:15.44 | x-demon | *vzlist |
| 08:15.45 | Bushmills | dima202: how does the output of executing /home/dima/fstab look like? |
| 08:16.15 | dima202 | cat /etc/fstab |grep Backup |
| 08:16.27 | nsadmin | x-demon, so if one remains, then it's not all |
| 08:16.34 | nsadmin | what filesystem do they use |
| 08:16.39 | dima202 | oh output? well if it's blank then it mounts it |
| 08:16.53 | dima202 | if it find anything it will go to copying |
| 08:17.05 | dima202 | or should |
| 08:17.35 | Bushmills | if grep Backup /etc/fstab; then echo "found"; fi |
| 08:17.48 | Bushmills | grep -q probably preferable |
| 08:18.34 | x-demon | nsadmin, ext3 on software raid |
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| 08:19.17 | dima202 | -q is quiet right? |
| 08:19.21 | Bushmills | right |
| 08:19.32 | nsadmin | x-demon, for all the servers? |
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| 08:19.49 | nsadmin | if one's running I'd back it up soon |
| 08:19.56 | nsadmin | or |
| 08:19.58 | nsadmin | NOW |
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| 08:20.56 | x-demon | nsadmin, yes |
| 08:21.01 | nsadmin | dima202: you should probably have a copy of man grep in front of you for questions like that |
| 08:21.20 | dima202 | nsadmin: i do |
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| 08:24.43 | Bushmills | dima202: grep -q Backup /etc/fstab && sudo dosomethingasroot |
| 08:24.47 | nsadmin | x-demon, so the disks of the other servers are completely corrupted? |
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| 08:26.39 | nsadmin | getting soup |
| 08:26.44 | installnewbie | You will need atleast 263887 kBytes of Disk Free (any clue?) |
| 08:26.52 | dima202 | Bushmills: i believe i found a flaw, after mounting it's not in fstab as i thought it would be |
| 08:27.11 | Bushmills | fstab is a statically configured file |
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| 08:27.58 | Bushmills | you may have intended to non-portably grep /proc/mounts |
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| 08:28.25 | dima202 | yes |
| 08:28.30 | dima202 | thanks |
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| 08:29.41 | nsadmin | installnewbie: Hi... is english your first language? |
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| 08:30.53 | oOSebOo | hello |
| 08:31.05 | Bushmills | installnewbie: 263887 is decimal |
| 08:31.32 | installnewbie | hi Bushmills |
| 08:31.53 | x-demon | nsadmin, i can't say atm |
| 08:32.05 | x-demon | but on one server yes |
| 08:32.11 | dima202 | Bushmills: getting too many arguments now argh |
| 08:32.17 | nsadmin | are they remotes? |
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| 08:32.55 | installnewbie | http://pastebin.com/PSGCFrDs |
| 08:33.09 | installnewbie | Bushmills : http://pastebin.com/PSGCFrDs |
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| 08:34.23 | ksk | whats your problem, installnewbie? |
| 08:34.42 | nsadmin | interpreting words? |
| 08:34.44 | Bushmills | compare 3.5 MiB against 250 MiB |
| 08:34.51 | dima202 | well i'm too tired to keep going tonight.. goodnight, thanks for you help |
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| 08:35.13 | Bushmills | when you found that 3.5 may be too little, you could consider freeing some disk space |
| 08:35.22 | installnewbie | ksk |
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| 08:36.25 | cristi8 | nsadmin: i installed that printer driver from source and it works out just fine. thank you very much |
| 08:36.29 | oOSebOo | Could anyone help ? i'm looking to make automaticly failover between 2 NFS share on 2 different server. Is there any way to mount both share on 1 machine, and tell system if first didn't respond, write/read on second ? as my test, system use the first entry in /etc/mtab, if first entry didnt respond, it didnt write/read on second |
| 08:36.39 | ksk | installnewbie: no qry pls |
| 08:37.24 | nsadmin | cristi8: welcome; have a good time with the printer |
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| 08:39.39 | lmaowaffle | hello. how do i start with X at boot? is inittab modification still the way to go? |
| 08:39.55 | lmaowaffle | (in debian squeeze), or is there some other conf file in defaults |
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| 08:40.05 | nsadmin | just install xdm |
| 08:40.17 | lmaowaffle | well, i'm trying to get slim to work |
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| 08:40.30 | lmaowaffle | sysv-rc-conf shows it active for the right runlevels |
| 08:40.33 | nsadmin | not seeing how that's connected |
| 08:40.44 | lmaowaffle | okay? |
| 08:40.54 | lmaowaffle | am i supposed to highlight any connections? |
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| 08:41.29 | ootput | no |
| 08:41.29 | nsadmin | actually... I'll be back in awhile... if I don't go now, I miss out on something |
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| 08:42.36 | ootput | lmaowaffle: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_run-levels |
| 08:43.23 | ootput | nsadmin: that was pretty immature |
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| 08:46.00 | nsadmin | the way I see it, if one person is watching (like yourself) he can jump in. if you don't want to jump in because you perceive me as X (immature in this case), don't jump in |
| 08:46.42 | ootput | jump into _what_ exactly? |
| 08:47.03 | pozic | Is there a recommended tool to copy a DVD? |
| 08:47.05 | nsadmin | but I have to go now if I'm to take advantage of the opportunity in front of me. if you want to beat me up later, I'll be back |
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| 08:47.22 | pozic | I don't need anti-copy protection stuff, since there is nothing protected about it. |
| 08:47.48 | pozic | !dvd2iso |
| 08:48.32 | ootput | pozic: what sort of DVD is it? |
| 08:48.57 | pozic | ootput: just one of those old non-dual layer things. |
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| 08:49.07 | ootput | I mean, what's on the DVD |
| 08:49.16 | pozic | ootput: personal data. |
| 08:49.34 | pozic | ootput: one of those things you can put in a player. |
| 08:49.45 | ootput | pozic: dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso |
| 08:49.47 | pozic | ootput: so, there is a menu on it too. |
| 08:50.11 | ootput | pozic: I'm not following |
| 08:50.16 | ootput | for movies, there's dvdbackup |
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| 08:51.08 | pozic | ootput: I just want to be able to get the data back when I want that later. I don't care about the format as long as I can read it in 20 years. |
| 08:52.03 | dalias | safecopy is great for copying dvds |
| 08:52.16 | pozic | What I hate in Gnome, is that when I click on the properties of the device in "Computer", I don't see what the name of the device is. |
| 08:52.28 | dalias | it can deal with read errors and retry/skip in an intelligent way |
| 08:52.52 | dalias | dunno if or how well it works with intentionally-damaged ('copy protected') dvds |
| 08:53.05 | ootput | dalias: nice |
| 08:53.17 | pozic | This one was damaged; I had to clean it and use another reader. |
| 08:53.36 | pozic | Mediums that are supposed to last for at least 5 years... |
| 08:53.49 | pozic | "It will last 100 years..." |
| 08:53.51 | pozic | Yeah, right... |
| 08:54.01 | ootput | it depends on storage, too |
| 08:54.11 | pozic | ootput: what do you mean? |
| 08:54.14 | dalias | the only thing that'll last 100 years is pre-1990 hard drievs :) |
| 08:54.19 | ootput | I've still got a set of DOS floppies lying around |
| 08:54.28 | pozic | ootput: floppies also do not last. |
| 08:54.33 | dalias | but at such shitty capacity you might as well write the bits by hand on paper or stone tablets... |
| 08:55.00 | dongs | how do i write UUID-based rootdevice into kernel. |
| 08:55.16 | pozic | They should simply reserve more bits for error correction, since they clearly cannot deliver. |
| 08:55.21 | ootput | dongs: for boot? for grub? |
| 08:55.32 | dongs | for it trying to mount rootfs. |
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| 08:55.46 | dalias | i dont think more bits will help when the problem is the deterioration of the whole film layer |
| 08:56.21 | pozic | dalias: in theory it helps, but the capacity will go down to zero bits ;) |
| 08:56.52 | dongs | so any idea. |
| 08:56.57 | dongs | rdev or something. |
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| 08:57.27 | dalias | sorry, i dunno if the kernel even supports uuid mounting directly or if its done thru userspace stuff |
| 08:57.34 | dongs | lol. |
| 08:57.36 | dalias | if its userspace stuff you'd need to use initrd i think |
| 08:58.05 | dongs | what. |
| 08:58.17 | dongs | what the freak. |
| 08:58.33 | dalias | ? |
| 08:58.47 | dongs | all i want to do is boot off intel onboard shit before it finds 24ports of sata controllers. |
| 08:59.06 | dongs | where can i configure order of detection of this stuff. |
| 08:59.17 | pozic | dalias: what does safecopy produce? An iso? |
| 08:59.37 | dalias | safecopy from /dev/sr0 to foo.iso will make an iso |
| 08:59.42 | dongs | oh i got a brilliant idea. ill make sata controller shit modules so i can be like all the cool kids with over 9k modules loaded up after boot. |
| 08:59.43 | dalias | or you can copy individual files from the dvd |
| 08:59.59 | pozic | dalias: ok, it's working. Thanks. I hope it completes. |
| 09:00.17 | dalias | btw look at the --stage1/2/3 options |
| 09:00.21 | dalias | they have nice presets |
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| 09:00.37 | dalias | if you just run it first with --stage1, it will complete quickly but possibly leave gaps where there were read errors |
| 09:00.56 | dalias | then running again with identical in/out files but with --stage2 and --stage3 will progressively improve on that |
| 09:01.07 | pozic | dalias: it's going with 1%/2sec. Fast enough, for me. |
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| 09:01.24 | sach | Can we compile kernel directly from source and install in debian squeeze? Iam asking this becuase in ubuntu its not recomonded |
| 09:01.39 | petemc | you can |
| 09:01.43 | dongs | oh they dont recommend compiling kernel in lunix anymore? |
| 09:01.45 | dongs | awesome. |
| 09:01.48 | rvsjoen | 'can' is different from 'should' |
| 09:01.52 | dalias | :) |
| 09:02.03 | pozic | dongs: you have tools to build Ubuntu kernels from your own .config. |
| 09:02.04 | dalias | dongs, did you come here to troll or for help? |
| 09:02.16 | pozic | dongs: and you don't have to use those tools. |
| 09:02.16 | sach | oh.. thanks.. thas cool :) |
| 09:02.18 | NathanW | debian haings during install on a proliant ML350 G3, gets thrue everything once it goes to install the system bam 5% haing every time and only way to get out of it is to reboot, cant even find a log file... i said well lets try fbsd, and i get a scrolling dump card state ends "infinite interrupt loop, any clues? |
| 09:02.19 | pozic | dongs: so, FUD. |
| 09:02.28 | rvsjoen | !tell sach about kernel compile |
| 09:02.41 | petemc | NathanW: you're sure its not just taking a long time to create the fs? |
| 09:02.52 | pozic | Incidentally, Ubuntu does some things better than Debian, like Launchpad. |
| 09:03.52 | sach | so no issues in debian for kernel compilation.. |
| 09:03.53 | sach | :) |
| 09:03.57 | NathanW | also tryed multiple os's broke down and just tryed windows server 2003 and i get an error from it also every time i try and start the installer for winblows i get message "setup either detected multiple disks in your machine that are indistinguishable or detected raw disks setup has corrected teh problem but a reboot is required, and it loops that never going further |
| 09:04.06 | NathanW | any idea what maby i should be looking at? |
| 09:04.08 | rvsjoen | no issues unless you create them yourself |
| 09:04.17 | pozic | sach: you can do a lot of things wrong still. |
| 09:04.30 | sach | its better for performance to compile kernel ourself right? |
| 09:04.40 | alcy | NathanW: Did you try getting to the console and checking the logs ? |
| 09:04.46 | NathanW | ya its a lockup not just long time to make the fs, |
| 09:04.46 | rvsjoen | what kind of performance |
| 09:04.58 | lmaowaffle | NathanW: if it's reproduceable, switch to vt5 (?) to see debugging messages during install - specifically at 5% |
| 09:05.02 | Bushmills | (09:41:09) Bushmills: NathanW: run a RAM test |
| 09:05.10 | lindi- | sach: well in general it is odd that people tend to compile their kernels but don't compile their shells or manual page viewers. I think it's a weakness of Linux that you so often need to compile it from source and can't just use binaries of distro |
| 09:05.21 | NathanW | it wont let me do nuthing its bam LOCKed and reboot is only way to get it out of it .. via power down then cold boot |
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| 09:05.32 | rozie | sach: if you know what you're doing - yes, it can be smaller and better optimised |
| 09:05.35 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: because binaries don't cater to everyone |
| 09:05.55 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: but they do to more with the case of bash |
| 09:05.57 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: some might want certain memory-hogging build flags disabled |
| 09:06.00 | rvsjoen | nobody cares about kernel size anymore, unless you're on embedded devices |
| 09:06.24 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: usually userland takes much more memory |
| 09:07.03 | dongs | !devicemapper |
| 09:07.04 | Bushmills | declares NathanW a bot, having failed the Turing test |
| 09:07.09 | dongs | any idea waht that trash is. |
| 09:07.42 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: are you now talking about machines with less than 256M of ram? |
| 09:08.01 | NathanW | Bushmills: ? |
| 09:08.03 | dongs | lets see if my modules idea worked. |
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| 09:08.33 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: that's the typical Windows argument against old machines :) |
| 09:08.40 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: ? |
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| 09:09.19 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: I'm questioning why you do these reductions in Linux. I'm sure you could save more in bash |
| 09:10.09 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: or udev, or init or dbus-daemon -- they are pretty much always running and take a lot more than Linux code |
| 09:11.06 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: I'm not arguing that it should not be possible to compile it. just trying to observe why it is Linux and not some other piece of software that people tend to compile |
| 09:11.37 | Bushmills | lindi-: performance isn't the main reason for compiling the kernel, but customisation |
| 09:11.57 | Bushmills | shells are much less system specific |
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| 09:12.06 | lindi- | Bushmills: yes but maybe there's something wrong with the program if you need to recompile it to customize? |
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| 09:12.39 | lindi- | Bushmills: you mean hardware specific? |
| 09:12.55 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: how often do you change hardware in any given machine? |
| 09:13.02 | Bushmills | not sure whether you can call that "wrong" if, say, somebody wants to enable root fs on nfs for diskless kernel. |
| 09:13.19 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: not very often but how is this relevant? |
| 09:13.32 | ansgar | Bushmills: root on NFS works with Debian's default kernel though ;) |
| 09:13.35 | lindi- | Bushmills: you don't need to recompile kernel to enable root on nfs anymore thanks to initrd |
| 09:13.44 | lindi- | Bushmills: just add line to configuration file |
| 09:14.10 | lindi- | Bushmills: echo BOOT=nfs >> /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
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| 09:14.22 | Bushmills | ah. ok, then i want config.gz in /proc |
| 09:14.34 | lindi- | Bushmills: we have config.gz in debian by default too |
| 09:14.58 | lindi- | or hmm, do we? |
| 09:15.07 | ansgar | lindi-: In /boot, not in /proc. |
| 09:15.22 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: if you're happy with stock kernel options, then you shouldn't need to change anything. I was also under the impression that most distros supplied a kernel with most options enabled. It was never mandatory to roll out your own kernel |
| 09:15.45 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: sure. that's why I'm just wondering why Linux is recompiled more often than bash, udev, dbus-daemon |
| 09:15.46 | lmaowaffle | re: hardware specs, if you don't change hardware often, you shouldn't need to customize often |
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| 09:16.03 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: but why do you need to recompile kernel for regular desktop hardware anymore? |
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| 09:16.25 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: you shouldn't |
| 09:16.37 | lmaowaffle | it's not a general-populace thing, it's more of a geek thing |
| 09:16.50 | ansgar | There used to be less modules enabled by default earlier (or some module needed to be compiled-in in order to boot before the initrd came around), but nowadays there is almost never a need to roll you own kernel. |
| 09:16.58 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: I'd appreciate more udev and dbus-hacking. it'd make the world a better place :) |
| 09:17.07 | lmaowaffle | i don't think annyone here claimed it was even necessary to build a custom kernel for the desktop |
| 09:17.14 | lmaowaffle | unless my scrollback buffer is broken |
| 09:17.24 | lindi- | ansgar: unless you want kprobes support: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582813 |
| 09:17.42 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: yes but again, I'm just observing what's happening :) |
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| 09:17.49 | ansgar | And it makes live easier as one can install the same kernel on every computer. Very nice when administrating many computers with different hardware :) |
| 09:17.49 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: not claiming that somebody is claiming that it should be done :P |
| 09:18.01 | lindi- | ansgar: and bug reporting |
| 09:18.12 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: there are also experimental features that tweakers like to play with |
| 09:18.22 | lmaowaffle | eg. stuff bundled with the zen-kernel |
| 09:18.38 | lmaowaffle | low-latency stuff, that aren't a priority for mainline kernel |
| 09:18.45 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: yes but the question is why do people want to play with Linux features but not with udev, dbus or say firefox options? ;) |
| 09:19.09 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: is this now a binary vs source-based distro discussion? |
| 09:19.17 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: no |
| 09:19.28 | lindi- | i'm just trying to understand the trend |
| 09:19.47 | lindi- | perhaps a lot of it is due to history, in the past you had to tune linux to your hardware |
| 09:19.48 | lmaowaffle | unixers aren't a trendy lot |
| 09:20.06 | ansgar | lindi-: Sure, sometimes you need to build your own kernel. I patched my kernel in order to be able to use my wlan card as well (the bugfix for this is now in Debian as well). |
| 09:20.06 | lmaowaffle | ;) |
| 09:20.12 | lindi- | ansgar: understandable |
| 09:20.20 | oOSebOo | Hey all, anyone know the best way to make failover between an active/active nfs cluster ? i tested mount both node on host, and dns rr but client didn't switch automaticly on over host active host |
| 09:20.41 | nsadmin | it still has to be tuned, but it's more and more automatic |
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| 09:20.47 | lindi- | ansgar: but why aren't people recompiling iceweasel to workaround a rendering bug? ;) |
| 09:21.13 | sxp | Hi I would like to know a add-on for firefox, to download audio from Web Pages |
| 09:21.17 | lmaowaffle | lindi-: because chances are someone else will |
| 09:21.22 | ansgar | I used to build my own kernel until 2.6.xx, being used to it since the 2.0.x days, but stopped doing so because the default kernel fulfills all my needs nowadays :) |
| 09:21.33 | sxp | not video with audio but, alone audio |
| 09:21.42 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: ok that might be a good point. if it is a hardware bug you have the hardware |
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| 09:22.42 | lindi- | ansgar: maybe the solution would be to make sure you can easily recompile only the wlan module? |
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| 09:22.43 | sxp | And sorry for my english |
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| 09:23.11 | lindi- | sxp: video and audio are typically in the same file |
| 09:23.18 | lindi- | sxp: you have to download both in that case |
| 09:23.20 | ansgar | lindi-: I forwarded the patch upstream. So no need to compile anything myself anymore :) |
| 09:23.36 | sxp | No, I can see only the Windows Media Player loading the audio |
| 09:23.46 | lindi- | sxp: tcpdump? |
| 09:23.46 | nsadmin | it could depend on what form the audio takes as it's transferred to your machine |
| 09:23.47 | sxp | and his controls to play the audio file |
| 09:23.57 | nsadmin | windows media player? on what OS? |
| 09:23.59 | lmaowaffle | open-source 'collaboration' is another word for 'cheap-labor' ;) |
| 09:24.04 | sxp | They are audio lessons |
| 09:24.14 | sxp | I will bring the link ok? |
| 09:24.36 | lmaowaffle | yes |
| 09:25.35 | ansgar | lindi-: And I build my own patched applications if there is a bug that annoys my enough (and I can find or write a patch). |
| 09:25.57 | lindi- | ansgar: sure |
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| 09:26.17 | ansgar | I never fiddled around with Iceweasel tough. :) |
| 09:26.25 | nsadmin | you could run jack and ardour and just record what you get |
| 09:26.31 | lindi- | ansgar: but you have to agree that more people talk about recompiling linux than about recompiling firefox or udev |
| 09:26.53 | nsadmin | not the only way, hopefully not the newest way :) but it's a way |
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| 09:27.30 | sxp | http://www.parasaber.com/formacion/aprender-ingles/nivel-0/audio/days-months-and-years/6403/ |
| 09:27.33 | sxp | this is the link |
| 09:27.38 | sxp | anybody check it please! |
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| 09:27.51 | ansgar | Yes, true. I guess the geek-factor and the percieved need to do so (as it was not not that uncommon to be forced to do so in the old times) plays an important role for that. |
| 09:27.58 | nsadmin | aha, so you're learning to speak english |
| 09:28.01 | sxp | I need to download that audio file because I want to convert it to .mp3 |
| 09:28.10 | sxp | and learn english when I use my mp3 player |
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| 09:28.35 | d3x | hi all. are there any plans for nvidia 256.35 to reach experimental or sid? it's been released a few days ago, it'd like to test it, but i don't like the idea of executing their .run installer ;) |
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| 09:29.50 | sxp | nsadmin, yes |
| 09:31.19 | nsadmin | so I just went to the site, and the audio started... but it went too fast for me to see what it was. but it was just audio |
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| 09:32.28 | nsadmin | let me check one more time |
| 09:33.13 | sxp | nsadmin, what plugin do you use to listen the audios? |
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| 09:38.20 | danslo_ | d3x: works fine on my testing install :P |
| 09:38.27 | danslo_ | (their installer that is) |
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| 09:45.36 | lmaowaffle | sxp: isn't that just flash video? |
| 09:45.56 | lmaowaffle | download as flv and then extract audio using ffmpeg or similar |
| 09:46.19 | lmaowaffle | or use one of those online sites that automate this |
| 09:46.49 | romgo | Hi guys, I'm looking for a web interface in order to analyze my logs. I try logzilla, but it seems that it will no longer be under GPL. Do you know any other web interface like this ? |
| 09:47.11 | liable_ | which logs? |
| 09:47.41 | romgo | syslog mainly |
| 09:48.12 | sxp | lmaowaffle, It is a .asf file |
| 09:48.24 | liable_ | um, why do you want a web interface for it? is it that hard to just read the log? |
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| 09:48.32 | sxp | Now, my problem is solved |
| 09:48.46 | sxp | thanks for all, and sorry for my english! I just used download helper |
| 09:48.48 | ad_ | hello people, i made an open music chillout / DnB / experimental CD album (11 tracks, 60 minutes) - which you can download for free in CD quality on my netlabel website www.ad-rec.net ( acid digital records ) - it is 100% for free , no registration required - cheers and have a nice day! |
| 09:48.52 | sxp | to download the .asf file |
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| 09:49.10 | lmaowaffle | sxp: for firefox, there's downthemall |
| 09:49.17 | oOSebOo | hi all, could anyone help me finding the best way to make failover on a NFS active/active cluster ? if i can i don't want using heartbeat or something like that. I tested mounting both share on a same host, client didnt use the second, i tested with dns roundrobin and same thing, client didnt make failover automaticly |
| 09:49.37 | romgo | liable_: no ... That's not the point. |
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| 09:50.22 | lindi- | oOSebOo: active/active cluster? |
| 09:50.23 | nsadmin | browser freeze... |
| 09:51.12 | lmaowaffle | you should go off and seize more opportunities |
| 09:51.16 | oOSebOo | yes i made 2 server with drbd + ocfs2 for concurency, so i have both node actif/actif |
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| 09:53.25 | nsadmin | if you're a plain user, how do you talk to a jackd that's been started as root? |
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| 09:54.10 | lindi- | oOSebOo: don't those setups usually use IP failover? |
| 09:54.19 | lindi- | oOSebOo: kernel does not do DNS lookups so that won't work |
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| 09:55.20 | oOSebOo | yeah typicaly with heartbeat/pacemaker or so, but i have some bad experience with activ/passiv nfs cluster, so i'm trying to find any other solution |
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| 10:09.18 | lmaowaffle | nsadmin: PAM-managed permissions |
| 10:09.29 | lmaowaffle | man limits.conf |
| 10:09.45 | nsadmin | I'll definitely check that out... |
| 10:10.03 | nsadmin | right now trying to start jackd from the init.d file |
| 10:10.21 | nsadmin | I'm not convinced it's starting |
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| 10:11.47 | nsadmin | I'm not totally sure yet how the jack connections work, the only thing I do know is if it's running as root, non-root ain't toucing it |
| 10:12.09 | mms_ | hi I am getting invalid superblock when using parted to make partition on USB flash pen drive |
| 10:12.11 | nsadmin | just found something in /etc/defaults/jackd |
| 10:12.48 | mms_ | any one knows how to fix superblock problem ? |
| 10:14.08 | nsadmin | mms by what /dev/ name does linux call the drive? |
| 10:14.35 | d3x | danslo_, i'm not saying it won't work. i just say i don't like making my system dirty :) |
| 10:14.44 | mms_ | nsadmin: /dev/sdb |
| 10:14.50 | danslo_ | d3x: hah, suit yourself :P |
| 10:15.18 | mms_ | I was trying to create 30gb fat32 and 30 gb ext2 partitions |
| 10:15.20 | nsadmin | ok, could you pastebin the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 10:15.26 | mms_ | ok |
| 10:15.45 | d3x | danslo_, if i install from debian repos dkms takes care of compiling module when i change kernel etc. it's just convenient ;) |
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| 10:16.49 | nsadmin | invalid superblock would indicate some kind of miscommunication about what kind of partition it is, or could mean the partition isn't formatted and parted (or something) expects that it is formatted |
| 10:16.58 | mms_ | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/2w0uqQKw |
| 10:17.48 | mms_ | nsadmin: I am trying to fix a 128GB USB flash pen drive which i counterfiet...its kingston that I got from ebay... |
| 10:18.18 | mms_ | nsadmin: I mean its a counterfiet... |
| 10:20.10 | mms_ | nsadmin: in fdisk I can create partitions...then mkfs also goes fine ...but it would not mount...so I tried parted...it gave error... |
| 10:20.26 | nsadmin | well there's your answer, it doesn't have a valid partition table |
| 10:20.36 | nsadmin | is the drive empty? (hope so) |
| 10:20.42 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes its empty |
| 10:20.54 | nsadmin | ok, quit from parted and fdisk |
| 10:21.12 | mms_ | nsadmin: ok can fdisk....what you suggest ? |
| 10:21.21 | nsadmin | be cautious with this... make sure before you hit enter |
| 10:21.42 | nsadmin | hmmm. |
| 10:21.45 | mms_ | nsadmin: please explain what you plan ... |
| 10:21.58 | nsadmin | ok, will do, just one sec first... |
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| 10:22.28 | nsadmin | everyone else, unless you also have a usb on sdb that doesn't have a partition table, DO NOT do what I'm about to tell mms to do |
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| 10:22.56 | nsadmin | mms: we're going to get fdisk to make you a new partition table |
| 10:23.02 | nsadmin | that's the plan |
| 10:23.25 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes go ahead... |
| 10:23.30 | nsadmin | I dunno how to do that in parted anyway so... |
| 10:23.41 | mms_ | nsadmin: I know in both... |
| 10:23.41 | nsadmin | so just to make absolutely sure... |
| 10:23.51 | nsadmin | this is sdb? |
| 10:24.01 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes |
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| 10:24.30 | bolt-work | that's the longest intro to an answer i've ever seen... |
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| 10:24.35 | nsadmin | ok, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 |
| 10:24.39 | kripz | I have a degraded array, i accidently clicked check array in gnome disk utility, it's now resyncing, how can i stop this? |
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| 10:24.56 | nsadmin | bolt: you've never seen my work :) |
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| 10:25.26 | nsadmin | ONLY mms_ do that. |
| 10:25.34 | d3x | nsadmin, that's my usual workflow for recreating partition table :) |
| 10:25.35 | mms_ | nsadmin: done |
| 10:25.40 | nsadmin | and only on the machine with the pen |
| 10:25.49 | mms_ | nsadmin: we cleaned MBR basically |
| 10:25.50 | nsadmin | ok, now, fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 10:25.53 | nsadmin | w |
| 10:25.56 | d3x | and only if it's pluggen in as sdb |
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| 10:26.14 | d3x | once mixed sdb with sda. his brother was not happy :P |
| 10:26.18 | bolt-work | and only if your little brother isn't about to replace that usb with another one |
| 10:26.19 | mms_ | nsadmin: tell me what partitions you want ... |
| 10:26.28 | nsadmin | well just do a w |
| 10:26.33 | mms_ | ok |
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| 10:26.39 | mms_ | nsadmin: done |
| 10:26.51 | d3x | 3. ????? |
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| 10:26.52 | nsadmin | ok, see if parted is happy now |
| 10:26.53 | d3x | 4. PROFIT! |
| 10:27.05 | mms_ | nsadmin: parted ? |
| 10:27.18 | nsadmin | that's what you were using before right? |
| 10:27.19 | mms_ | why not just create things with fdisk and mkfs ? |
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| 10:27.30 | nsadmin | sure if you want to |
| 10:27.48 | nsadmin | I assumed you wanted to use parted... but use anything you want |
| 10:27.55 | mms_ | nsadmin: actual problem is I want to create partition on drive and mount them... |
| 10:28.13 | qwd | Debian Sid. Did an update and now it's "configuring grub-pc" and says "The grub-pc package is being upgraded. This menu allows you to select which devices you'd like grub-install to be automatically run for, if any." and lets me choose between 1. a hard drive 2. hard drive with Debian 3. /boot. I'm guessing /boot is the one to choose? The default choice in config seems to be 2. |
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| 10:28.19 | dpecka | hi there |
| 10:28.21 | bittin | hi |
| 10:28.36 | Jasper | hej guys, I'm having a weird problem...I had a box running for a year, no poroblems....now there was this ip conflict for like 1 minute.....the box had 4 ips' and one causes a ip conflict.... |
| 10:28.40 | bolt-work | qwd: if you're using sid, you shouldn't be asking that... |
| 10:28.45 | Jasper | the box stopped binding to 3 of the ips...1 works...but not the other 3.. |
| 10:28.47 | mms_ | nsadmin: you with me ? |
| 10:28.52 | Jasper | I even rebooted the box and removed the ip conflict device.. |
| 10:29.21 | nsadmin | mms_, umm yes but we're done... you should have a valid partition table now |
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| 10:29.28 | bolt-work | qwd: you probably want it on the drive with debian on it though |
| 10:29.38 | mms_ | nsadmin: you think so ? |
| 10:29.39 | bolt-work | qwd: depends on your setup |
| 10:29.50 | nsadmin | yeah, valid and empty |
| 10:29.51 | mms_ | nsadmin: I have done this trick quite a few times.... |
| 10:29.55 | qwd | bolt-work: thanks. |
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| 10:30.01 | nsadmin | oh? |
| 10:30.10 | bolt-work | qwd: but why are you using sid? |
| 10:30.10 | nsadmin | on this drive? |
| 10:30.19 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes... |
| 10:30.19 | dpecka | i have one ignorant debian server which has some hardware problems, so we've changed motherboard and with new one it seems like we have reindexed drives namespace (/dev/xxx) .. i wasn't be able to find out, howto use initrd to boot some restricted in-memory shell like in other Linuxes/Unixes |
| 10:30.32 | nsadmin | hmm, wonder if it's damaged |
| 10:30.32 | Jasper | anyone here who can lent me a helping hand...this is some weird problem |
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| 10:30.36 | mms_ | nsadmin: it will not work ...I create partitions, mkfs ...it will not mount.... |
| 10:30.42 | dpecka | debian's ignorant taste of late 90's is really painful |
| 10:30.50 | mms_ | nsadmin: could be ....that what need to investigate... |
| 10:31.09 | NathanW | b? |
| 10:31.12 | mms_ | nsadmin: any expert on file system ? |
| 10:31.19 | bolt-work | dpecka: ignorant taste of late 90's? |
| 10:31.21 | petemc | dpecka: what are you jibbering about? |
| 10:31.31 | nsadmin | I'm not no |
| 10:31.59 | kripz | is it possible to stop a mdadm resync? |
| 10:32.00 | mms_ | any expert on fixing USB flash pen drive file system ? |
| 10:32.01 | nsadmin | mister t pity the foo hoo jibberjabber |
| 10:32.34 | qwd | bolt-work: I'm using it while I'm waiting for squeeze to go stable. I know that it's not recommended but I thought I'd try it out for fun and to report some bugs. |
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| 10:32.50 | bolt-work | kripz: try setting the array to read-only, perhaps? i don't remember the options off the top of my head, but they should be there |
| 10:33.01 | Jasper | is there any networking expert here? |
| 10:33.03 | nsadmin | mms_, so you want what, a single 30g fat32? |
| 10:33.32 | nsadmin | Jasper: you should just ask |
| 10:33.40 | dpecka | bolt-work: no worry, i'm overworked and tired .. i am certified with several UNIX and Linux certifications (rhel, sun ..). i'm just saying that debian has taste of late 90's .. it's all. |
| 10:33.55 | mms_ | nsadmin: some how create 30G fat32 and 30G ext2 and make sure it works... |
| 10:33.56 | bolt-work | qwd: i'm using squeeze while waiting for squeeze to go stable :) but suit yourself. as long as it's not for production i guess it's fine |
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| 10:34.38 | d3x | i'm using sid while waiting for squeeze to get stable. then i'll probably switch to squeeze+1 :) |
| 10:34.49 | NathanW | is there any reason that when i try and install anything debian to winblows on a compaq proliant ML350 G3 not using raid controler, with drives in controler 1 id 1 and id2 then drives in controler2 id1 and id2 slots it freeks out and causes it to not be able to distinguish between the drives. then when i move one drive on controler 2 from id2 to id3 slot. it works just fine ? |
| 10:35.08 | Jasper | nsadmin, I have a box which was running 4 ips...no problems...everything ran fine....I plugged in another device into the network which got it's ip through dhcp....for some reason it caused an ip-conflict...while I don't even have a dhcp server running as far as I know on the network |
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| 10:35.21 | Jasper | anyways, the first box now will only bind to 1 ip address and not to the other 4 nsadmin |
| 10:35.25 | Jasper | other 3 I mean.... |
| 10:35.29 | Jasper | and they're all static in the config |
| 10:35.38 | syslq | What do you use for power managament if you dont have gnome/kde/xfce? |
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| 10:36.01 | Jasper | this cant be a router issue right nsadmin ? |
| 10:36.11 | Jasper | the box will bind to any ip you tell it to if you put it static right..? |
| 10:36.30 | nsadmin | mms_, ok, so what you should do is go into fdisk, create primary partition sdb1 30g |
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| 10:36.46 | nsadmin | Jasper, that sounds right |
| 10:36.48 | mms_ | nsadmin: and then .... |
| 10:36.56 | nsadmin | w |
| 10:37.08 | mms_ | nsadmin: no need to use t ? |
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| 10:37.14 | mms_ | nsadmin: t as b |
| 10:37.20 | Jasper | nsadmin so what can be the problem then...where can I see why it wont bind to more ip addresses? |
| 10:37.42 | nsadmin | it should already be a linux partition (the type byte should be 83) |
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| 10:38.28 | mms_ | nsadmin: so suggest we create ext2 linux partiton of 30 g and then mount it ? |
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| 10:38.40 | mms_ | nsadmin: of course need to mkfs... |
| 10:38.41 | nsadmin | no, you don't mount yet :) |
| 10:38.46 | nsadmin | right |
| 10:38.53 | mms_ | nsadmin: ok let me do it |
| 10:39.02 | nsadmin | but here's the thing |
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| 10:39.53 | nsadmin | if you try to create another partition but the first is mounted, sdb will be considered busy and the partition table therefore won't be reread after the write |
| 10:40.14 | nsadmin | so hold off on mounting either partition yet |
| 10:40.18 | Jasper | is there no-one here who can help me...this server is down in the datacenter :( |
| 10:40.47 | nsadmin | Jasper, not sure if I can. I'd be willing to try |
| 10:41.10 | Jasper | that would be great nsadmin...the config didn't change for the networking device.. |
| 10:41.23 | Jasper | is there any log file where I can find why it won't bind to more ips? |
| 10:41.31 | nsadmin | but if we do it right now, my attention will be divided between yourself and the guy I'm trying to help with partitions |
| 10:41.45 | lmaowaffle | Jasper: perhaps that latest device has a lease that it's trying to re-use |
| 10:41.51 | lmaowaffle | hence the IP conflict |
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| 10:42.06 | nsadmin | what if you remove the device that you added? |
| 10:42.11 | Jasper | lmaowaffle allready did |
| 10:42.24 | Jasper | and linux would bind to the ip-adresss anyways right? |
| 10:42.27 | Jasper | even if there's a ip conflict? |
| 10:42.28 | Jasper | or not? |
| 10:42.46 | mms_ | nsadmin: does nto work... |
| 10:42.48 | Jasper | or is there some sort of check it does first? |
| 10:42.53 | lmaowaffle | Jasper: not really |
| 10:43.04 | lmaowaffle | it doesn't scan the network for similar IP |
| 10:43.06 | Jasper | lmaowaffle ok, suppose it's a lease, where would I be able to find this? |
| 10:43.14 | lmaowaffle | /var/db iirc |
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| 10:43.18 | nsadmin | mms_, ok, so how did you mkfs? |
| 10:43.33 | lmaowaffle | Jasper: var db cache... some variation thereof |
| 10:43.40 | Jasper | on which device then? |
| 10:43.53 | lmaowaffle | Jasper: can you man dhcpd.leases? the location is usually mentioned |
| 10:44.08 | Jasper | I'm not running a dhcp.d ... |
| 10:44.16 | nsadmin | mms_, btw I feel like a fifth wheel... third person in a couple... you seem to know what you're doing |
| 10:44.17 | Jasper | someone else is in my network I'm affraid |
| 10:44.24 | mms_ | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/aZzf9v3Z |
| 10:44.40 | Jasper | how can I find out what box is sending out dhcp? |
| 10:44.47 | mms_ | nsadmin: I know but just not enough ! |
| 10:45.06 | mms_ | need some one who has worked on fixing USB pen drive issues |
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| 10:45.14 | lmaowaffle | Jasper: nmap for dhcp-server port? |
| 10:45.39 | Jasper | lmaowaffle I don't want to risk any other servers going offline |
| 10:45.46 | Jasper | but I need to find the source of this dhcp deamon.. |
| 10:45.50 | Jasper | who the hell is running it... |
| 10:46.05 | lmaowaffle | DHCP broadcasts can be easily picked up |
| 10:46.07 | foetus | hy -- how can i list all "real" installed packages, i have tried to filter out the 'installed' entries in dpkg.log, |
| 10:46.08 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.19 | lmaowaffle | just sniff the traffic on the network |
| 10:46.20 | Jasper | lmaowaffle even without it giving out ips? |
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| 10:47.00 | lmaowaffle | Jasper: do any of the logs show anything? |
| 10:47.12 | Jasper | an dhcp lease would show you would think right |
| 10:47.19 | Jasper | what would be the appropriate log? |
| 10:47.26 | nsadmin | what's mkfs -F? |
| 10:48.13 | mms_ | nsadmin: it failed...I did mk22fs |
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| 10:48.30 | mms_ | nsadmin: see further....you will see mke2fs |
| 10:48.44 | nsadmin | yes I see |
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| 10:49.31 | nsadmin | just so you know... mkfs -t ext3 /dev/whatever |
| 10:49.47 | nsadmin | not sure what -F is :) |
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| 10:51.32 | lmaowaffle | Jasper: not quite sure which log it'll be in. you can always grep <ip> /var/log/* |
| 10:51.41 | Jasper | a lot of meesaages then |
| 10:51.44 | Jasper | dues to the fiurewall |
| 10:51.53 | Jasper | can I also skip lines with shorewall in it? |
| 10:51.55 | lmaowaffle | Jasper: nmap from within the network is probably better |
| 10:51.56 | nsadmin | mms, try rebooting |
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| 10:52.11 | Jasper | there must be some log which shows me ip conflict problems? |
| 10:52.43 | lmaowaffle | it depends on the sys logger used, too |
| 10:53.10 | lmaowaffle | but try /var/log/syslog |
| 10:53.38 | nsadmin | mms, no partitions are mounted right now, yes? |
| 10:53.43 | mms_ | nsadmin: correct |
| 10:54.18 | nsadmin | when you do fdisk /dev/sdb and p, you see the partition? |
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| 10:57.49 | mms_ | nsadmin: no |
| 10:58.25 | nsadmin | ok, what do you see? |
| 10:58.47 | nsadmin | something is overwriting that partition table |
| 10:59.08 | petemc | or the fake usb device is shit |
| 10:59.16 | petemc | check dmesg etc |
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| 10:59.40 | mms_ | nsadmin: all empty |
| 10:59.40 | nsadmin | petemc: could you assist on that part? I have no idea what to look for |
| 10:59.55 | petemc | all i would suggest is looking at logs |
| 11:00.03 | mms_ | nsadmin: just like if you did /dev/zero |
| 11:00.20 | nsadmin | ok, let's start from the beginning... |
| 11:00.50 | nsadmin | write the zero to first sector again |
| 11:01.07 | nsadmin | no one else but mms do this) |
| 11:01.31 | mms_ | ok |
| 11:02.30 | nsadmin | while we do this, we might as well watch a log... you're running x? fire up an additional xterm |
| 11:02.47 | mms_ | nsadmin: I am there.... |
| 11:02.49 | nsadmin | then, su |
| 11:02.55 | mms_ | nsadmin: already done that... |
| 11:03.00 | nsadmin | or rather su - |
| 11:03.08 | mms_ | nsadmin: I have root terminal :-) |
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| 11:03.14 | nsadmin | and tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 11:03.42 | mms_ | nsadmin: done... |
| 11:03.44 | nsadmin | in the rooterminal |
| 11:04.04 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes.... |
| 11:04.05 | nsadmin | so that's waiting for more sysloggy stuff |
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| 11:04.14 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes... |
| 11:04.32 | nsadmin | so now, go into fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 11:04.43 | nsadmin | and just w |
| 11:04.46 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes...you can group more command if you like ;-) |
| 11:05.06 | mms_ | nsadmin: done... |
| 11:05.22 | nsadmin | actually this is perfect, because I want to know things about what happens in between |
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| 11:05.32 | mms_ | nsadmin: ok |
| 11:05.36 | nsadmin | so, no extra syslog from that? |
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| 11:06.00 | mms_ | nsadmin: some just one line... |
| 11:06.21 | nsadmin | probably not relevent to what we're doing? |
| 11:06.28 | mms_ | nsadmin: nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed..... |
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| 11:07.09 | nsadmin | what device was removed? |
| 11:07.13 | mms_ | nsadmin: you ok with it / |
| 11:07.44 | mms_ | nsadmin: hal udi is /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_part1_size?.... |
| 11:07.55 | mms_ | nsadmin: you want to see it ? |
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| 11:08.06 | nsadmin | not sure :) |
| 11:08.26 | nsadmin | anyway, you just now did w |
| 11:08.40 | mms_ | nsadmin: http://pastebin/com/bCncapKv |
| 11:08.46 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes |
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| 11:09.11 | mms_ | nsadmin: then did fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 11:09.41 | mms_ | nsadmin: quicker .... |
| 11:10.26 | blaatz0r | guys, I still need help....it's not some dhcp holding the ips...it's debian NOT willing to bind wtf |
| 11:10.29 | nsadmin | can you reboot the machine it was on? (I know, ridiculous, but I'm still curious) |
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| 11:11.10 | xerophyte | if i want to implement Geodns with bind .. how can i go about doing it.. google search does not give me useful information ? |
| 11:11.10 | mms_ | nsadmin: reboot debian ? |
| 11:11.15 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 11:11.30 | mms_ | nsadmin: no kidding....this is not windoes |
| 11:11.44 | mms_ | nsadmin: what do you expect ? |
| 11:11.53 | mms_ | nsadmin: I am curious why reboot ? |
| 11:12.01 | nsadmin | maybe it cached some weird part of the partition table |
| 11:12.09 | mms_ | nsadmin: ok let me do it |
| 11:12.21 | d3x | you can reload parition table... |
| 11:12.30 | mms_ | nsadmin: init 0 |
| 11:12.36 | nsadmin | d3x: fdisk should have done it... |
| 11:12.47 | d3x | should :) |
| 11:12.53 | nsadmin | or said it couldn't at the point of the w |
| 11:12.59 | petemc | blaatz0r: how do you know debian is not willing to bind? |
| 11:14.14 | lmaowaffle | petemc: his problem is that while a manual ifconfig assignment works, the same configuration in interfaces doesn't |
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| 11:14.47 | nsadmin | netmask issue? |
| 11:14.56 | petemc | doesnt work isnt very useful |
| 11:15.16 | nsadmin | mms_, let us know when it's back |
| 11:15.32 | lmaowaffle | that same interfaces file worked previously. successive reboots won't. |
| 11:15.58 | lmaowaffle | petemc: an additional network appliance (now offline) caused an ip conflict |
| 11:16.06 | petemc | and trying to ifup the interface yields what? |
| 11:16.34 | lmaowaffle | blaatz0r: ^ |
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| 11:17.37 | blaatz0r | petemc I tried that.. |
| 11:17.38 | blaatz0r | no result |
| 11:17.43 | petemc | no result? |
| 11:17.43 | blaatz0r | I ifdowned it and ifuped it |
| 11:18.05 | blaatz0r | it reports |
| 11:18.13 | mms_ | nsadmin: its up |
| 11:18.13 | blaatz0r | unable to resolve host ....... |
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| 11:18.38 | nsadmin | ok,, see if the partition is there now |
| 11:18.38 | Guest17149 | hey i have a question I'm trying to install debian on a Processor Intel (R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz what iso do you guy's suggest? |
| 11:18.43 | blaatz0r | it did bind the ips now |
| 11:18.45 | blaatz0r | let's try a reboot |
| 11:18.49 | petemc | blaatz0r: can you try again and cut and paste the exact text, and also pastebin your interfaces file |
| 11:19.05 | d3x | Guest17149, doesn't tell much... |
| 11:19.27 | d3x | Guest17149, is it 64 or 32bit? |
| 11:19.31 | Guest17149 | 64 |
| 11:19.36 | nsadmin | Guest17149: probably i386 |
| 11:19.43 | Guest17149 | i did, |
| 11:19.49 | d3x | then either i386 or amd64 |
| 11:19.51 | Guest17149 | i download it, the netinstall |
| 11:20.02 | mms_ | nsadmin: its not here and now its /dev/sda |
| 11:20.14 | blaatz0r | petemc: http://pastebin.com/qypE1qpA |
| 11:20.15 | Guest17149 | amd64 i did try it, but it does not work |
| 11:20.27 | mms_ | nsadmin: I mean there are no partitions and the device is not /dev/sda |
| 11:20.27 | bbd | Guest17149: because it's not 64 bit |
| 11:20.33 | nsadmin | argh... it's not working then |
| 11:20.44 | mms_ | nsadmin: why ? |
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| 11:21.06 | Guest17149 | bbd what iso do you suggest? |
| 11:21.09 | mms_ | nsadmin: what did you expect ? |
| 11:21.15 | blaatz0r | ok this is the case petemc...if I reboot the box..only 1 ip is added to the interface.....if I do ifdown ifup still 1 ip.. |
| 11:21.17 | nsadmin | you say the partition is not present? |
| 11:21.19 | petemc | blaatz0r: when you have 'auth' , do you mean 'auto' ? |
| 11:21.31 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes there are no partitions...we did not create any... |
| 11:21.43 | nsadmin | oh, create one :) |
| 11:21.51 | blaatz0r | thx petemc |
| 11:21.51 | mms_ | nsadmin: you scarry |
| 11:21.52 | blaatz0r | ... |
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| 11:21.55 | nsadmin | in that case so far so good :) |
| 11:22.02 | lmaowaffle | blaatz0r: was that it? |
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| 11:22.16 | mms_ | nsadmin: same 30g parition of ext2 ? |
| 11:22.19 | blaatz0r | I'm thinking it is...it's not even my box...fixing this for a client.. |
| 11:22.24 | Guest17149 | bbd what iso do you suggest? |
| 11:22.25 | blaatz0r | I thought I was the cause after that ip conflict |
| 11:22.31 | nsadmin | no, make a smaller one, like 1g |
| 11:22.47 | mms_ | nsadmin: ok |
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| 11:23.22 | mms_ | nsadmin: done |
| 11:23.24 | lmaowaffle | blaatz0r: if that interfaces was untouched, how did it successfully get aliases beforehand? |
| 11:23.29 | bbd | Guest17149: get lenny CD1. even better -netinstif you have internet connection |
| 11:23.34 | mms_ | nsadmin: mkfs ? |
| 11:23.56 | nsadmin | you're out of fdisk already after doing a w? |
| 11:23.58 | blaatz0r | guys, thank you all for the help |
| 11:24.04 | blaatz0r | I will pass this on to the client :P |
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| 11:24.11 | blaatz0r | :P |
| 11:24.16 | bbd | Guest17149: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:24.24 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes |
| 11:24.29 | mms_ | nsadmin: did w |
| 11:24.35 | mms_ | nsadmin: and also p |
| 11:24.53 | mms_ | nsadmin: so now mkfs ? |
| 11:24.55 | nsadmin | ok, mkfs -t ext2 (the dev) |
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| 11:25.20 | mms_ | nsadmin: done |
| 11:25.42 | nsadmin | ok, try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 11:25.43 | mms_ | nsadmin: mount ? |
| 11:25.45 | mms_ | ok |
| 11:26.00 | mms_ | nsadmin: i see partition |
| 11:26.08 | nsadmin | ok, try mounting it |
| 11:26.15 | mms_ | ok |
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| 11:26.48 | mms_ | nsadmin: same error |
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| 11:27.13 | nsadmin | ok, fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 11:27.22 | mms_ | nsadmin: I see partition |
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| 11:27.43 | nsadmin | try this... disconnect the usb |
| 11:27.45 | mms_ | nsadmin: mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /media/memstick |
| 11:27.50 | mms_ | ok |
| 11:28.00 | mms_ | nsadmin: done |
| 11:28.03 | nsadmin | and connect again |
| 11:28.14 | mms_ | nsadmin: done |
| 11:28.25 | nsadmin | is it still sda? |
| 11:28.32 | mms_ | let me check |
| 11:29.03 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes...but it has sda: unknown partition table... |
| 11:29.13 | mms_ | nsadmin: in dmesg... |
| 11:29.48 | nsadmin | and fdisk /dev/sda shows? |
| 11:30.02 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes |
| 11:30.10 | mms_ | nsadmin: nope |
| 11:30.15 | nsadmin | still partition visible? |
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| 11:30.28 | mms_ | nsadmin: nope |
| 11:30.40 | nsadmin | ok, the partition is gone |
| 11:30.48 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes...issue here |
| 11:30.52 | nsadmin | it seems that mount is doing it |
| 11:31.07 | mms_ | nsadmin: mount doing what ? deleted partition table ? |
| 11:31.37 | nsadmin | somehow effecting the appearance of removing the partition |
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| 11:31.54 | mms_ | nsadmin: you have a point..since on restart it was still in there |
| 11:32.21 | mms_ | nsadmin: nope....on restart we did not have one...we created one after restart... |
| 11:32.26 | nsadmin | why was it sdb before? |
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| 11:32.41 | mms_ | nsadmin: not sure...its my netbook... |
| 11:33.09 | nsadmin | so this must have been after trying this over and over |
| 11:33.34 | mms_ | nsadmin: you have hit nail on problem...fdisk is creating partition but mount is not able to handle it |
| 11:33.45 | mms_ | nsadmin: could be... |
| 11:33.51 | nsadmin | so I'm now convinced something's wrong with the drive, the controller, the driver or the cable |
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| 11:34.09 | mms_ | nsadmin: its usb flash pen drive... |
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| 11:34.51 | mms_ | nsadmin: I tried even in win 7 to format it will not. |
| 11:35.00 | nsadmin | hit nail on problem.... oops, now hd has hole in it... |
| 11:35.30 | mms_ | nsadmin: you need to solve it not create holes :-) |
| 11:35.32 | nsadmin | so it's doing the same things in win? |
| 11:35.45 | mms_ | nsadmin: win does same thing... |
| 11:35.57 | nsadmin | so that rules out all software |
| 11:36.14 | nsadmin | with the possible exception of the bios |
| 11:36.41 | nsadmin | and whatever software is on the device itself |
| 11:36.42 | mms_ | nsadmin: bios is fine...I dont want to tinker it... |
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| 11:37.19 | mms_ | nsadmin: win 7 shows it as healthy drive in diskpart...but just wuold not format it... |
| 11:37.36 | Arafangion | WIndows has some pretty substantial limitations when it comes to formatting drives. |
| 11:37.39 | little_owl | Is it true that debian stable dropped in the newest update eclipse and eclipse-cdt ? |
| 11:37.41 | nsadmin | wouldn't want you to either, it's the drive or the pendrive <==> usb hardware mounted in with the physical drive |
| 11:37.44 | mms_ | nsadmin: I mean in diskmgmt....but would not format it... |
| 11:38.50 | little_owl | I mean "drop out" ... |
| 11:39.02 | nsadmin | is too tired to keep going :) |
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| 11:40.36 | nsadmin | the point before about the bios, is unless it's the bios (very small chance), it's the hardware |
| 11:42.41 | freetime | hi , i have the next problem i type ps -u nagios | wc -l , and i get 297 processes , after thet i try to kill it with kill -9 `ps -u nagios -o pid=`, and the processes refused to be killed how to slove this |
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| 11:47.01 | riot | hmhm. installing with the current 5.05 businesscard and lvm+cryptsetup is a bit borked, right now, yes? |
| 11:47.03 | nsadmin | anyway, sleep time for me. mms, shame the drive turned out bad,, |
| 11:52.08 | riot | after installing everything without errors (except grub2 didn't want to install, so i took lilo) and rebooting, there's no volume group, according to DM |
| 11:52.14 | riot | what crap :( |
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| 11:54.41 | dongs | any idea what major/minor for /dev/sdi, sdi1 etc. |
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| 11:54.52 | dongs | sdj, sdj1 |
| 11:55.05 | hhhh | where can i download the tool to expand the size of virtual image size? |
| 11:55.13 | hhhh | i only have vmware player |
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| 11:55.37 | dongs | hmm aybe /proc/devices. |
| 11:55.44 | riot | hmm, rescue-mode finds the crypt and lvm |
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| 11:56.25 | pozic | Is there a virtual I/O layer which adds extra error recovery to harddisks? |
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| 11:56.40 | dongs | yeah its called raid. |
| 11:56.58 | pozic | dongs: raid is rather unsophisticated. |
| 11:57.14 | dongs | ????????????????/ |
| 11:57.20 | riot | hmhm. update-grub and grub-install completed without errors.. wtf is wrong with the installer :/ |
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| 11:59.06 | visof | hello |
| 11:59.20 | riot | still, no, rebooted with a running grub2 - but no VG |
| 11:59.35 | riot | oh, NUTS. |
| 12:00.02 | visof | i can use irc , but i can't open a web page , maybe nameserver is down , i tried with 8.8.8.8 , still has that problem, is there any advise ? |
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| 12:00.48 | riot | visof: still has what problem? Did you connect to irc via ip-address or name? |
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| 12:01.16 | visof | riot i just use xchat, i don't know , and now i can't open any web page |
| 12:01.20 | visof | i don't know why |
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| 12:01.54 | riot | visof: could you answer the question? Can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
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| 12:02.19 | visof | riot yeah |
| 12:02.20 | riot | damnit, normal boot doesn't see the LVM, whereas the rescue-mode does |
| 12:03.30 | riot | visof: can you ping something with a name? e.g. "ping google.com" |
| 12:04.24 | visof | riot, i can now open the pages, i don't know what is that |
| 12:04.30 | riot | damnit, damnit, i'm gonna install without stupid crypto. HNF. Its a VM anyway. I'll store it on a crypted partition. *grmbl* |
| 12:04.38 | riot | visof: magic. Black magic. |
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| 12:07.50 | riot | and it keeps asking for stupid pc-card services.. *sigh* |
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| 12:10.10 | riot | goddess, how i HATE LVM |
| 12:10.14 | riot | Pain in the ass! |
| 12:10.20 | OpenTokix | lvm rocks |
| 12:10.33 | riot | no, does not. It always breaks. |
| 12:10.44 | OpenTokix | nope 0) |
| 12:10.47 | riot | if it would _work_ it would rock, alas it does not in most cases. |
| 12:10.56 | riot | ^^^ my heavy experience. |
| 12:10.57 | OpenTokix | works for me(tm) |
| 12:11.03 | riot | lucky one, you are. |
| 12:11.10 | cantido | has never heard of LVM breaking |
| 12:11.13 | riot | i'm gonna avoid this sucker. |
| 12:11.25 | riot | doesn't even install correctly! |
| 12:11.35 | cantido | riot: is this one of those "it broked for me so it's bad" things by any change? ;) |
| 12:11.38 | OpenTokix | I always keep a small /boot partition off the lvm |
| 12:11.42 | cantido | s/change/chance/ |
| 12:11.47 | bzed | riot: sound slike you';re doing something really wrong. or you're messing with snapshots |
| 12:12.05 | bzed | riot: never put /boot on lvm (even grup2 claims to be able to handle it...) |
| 12:12.09 | riot | i'm not doing anything wrong. I'm doing rather automated installs with the businesscard-image. |
| 12:12.15 | riot | tell it to do lvm+crypt - breaks |
| 12:12.32 | bzed | report a bug then please :) |
| 12:12.33 | rical | has anyone used gtmess? |
| 12:12.34 | riot | and, yes, at some upgrades, the process fscked up by itself. |
| 12:12.38 | cantido | riot: define breaks |
| 12:13.09 | riot | cantido: installer installs, i reboot - no volume groups found. I start rescue-mode, lvm found. |
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| 12:13.30 | cantido | ok, so it's probably an issue with the initramfs |
| 12:13.35 | riot | yes. |
| 12:13.48 | cantido | you can get the lvm up via the rescue shell though? |
| 12:13.55 | riot | yes. |
| 12:14.21 | riot | i used squeeze with 2.6.32-5-686bigmem |
| 12:14.26 | cantido | ok, so work out what is happening in the initramfs that is stopping it working and submit a bug report |
| 12:14.32 | cantido | initrams != LVM |
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| 12:14.52 | cantido | I had problems with LVM + GPT/MBR hybrid partition tables |
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| 12:15.24 | riot | actually i don't have the time for that. The timewastage is already so large that i decided to put just /home in a crypted container. |
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| 12:15.43 | cantido | well, if no one reports that issue, if there is an issue, it won't get fixed |
| 12:15.45 | riot | takes a while to format 40 gb with random-data, you know.. |
| 12:16.01 | cantido | only if you don't have a good source of entropy |
| 12:16.36 | riot | oh, i do. At least thats what munin tells me all the time. The box is just _very_ busy with all sorts of stuff. |
| 12:16.43 | riot | (me ;) |
| 12:17.12 | riot | ohmy, the default-partition-sizes suck, too... Way too small [usr|var|tmp] |
| 12:17.19 | mms_ | any one faced issue with onboard ethernet. it would not be setup upon startup at times. I need to reboot. Also if its not already connected at start plugging it in later will not do that hotplug kind of trick. I am using netbook. |
| 12:17.24 | cantido | IIRC only entropy collection for keyboard/mouse activity is enabled now.. so if you use /dev/random instead of /dev/urandom it will take ages |
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| 12:22.14 | dongs | any idea on wat major/minor for /dev/sdi? |
| 12:23.02 | smv | riot, have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/AesXtsEncryptedLvm and adjust it to your needs |
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| 12:23.52 | dongs | lolwut. please name one legitimate reason why anyone running opensource operating system would want to encrypt /home or anythingelse for that matter. |
| 12:24.00 | aguitel | msg dpkg remove gnome |
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| 12:24.27 | pozic | dongs: so you don't have to do a wipe when you send it to a third party? |
| 12:24.44 | petemc | dongs: what a silly question, people generally always encrypt data to ensure unauthorised people cant access it |
| 12:24.54 | pozic | dongs: not having any security is pretty stupid. |
| 12:24.56 | dongs | unauthorized...? |
| 12:24.57 | cantido | dongs: there's no reason why open source stuff won't be used in sensitive applications |
| 12:25.09 | petemc | dongs: i recommend a dictionary |
| 12:25.33 | cantido | notes that unauthorised is the correct spelling |
| 12:26.17 | rvsjoen | correct in terms of what, I though 'z' was the US variant |
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| 12:26.29 | rvsjoen | does that make it incorrect ? |
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| 12:26.51 | cantido | indeed |
| 12:27.02 | smv | i'd say that the best reason to use encryption is the fact that we can use it and we are free to use it how we want, not only as the installer was made to use it.. that's why i wrote that page on the wiki, even if it looks too complicated. |
| 12:27.35 | dongs | i was thinking more along the lines of nerds in theri basemenets with 2 transparent xterms one tailing some dumb logs one with irc session,, while waiting to encrypt their /home bceause they store all that cp there. i duno. shrug. forget i asked. |
| 12:27.48 | petemc | so you're a troll |
| 12:28.14 | cantido | dongs: would you prefer that your bank store all your stuff on unencrypted usb drives which then get lost in the post? |
| 12:28.19 | dongs | no, but in almost 20 yaers of using computers i never had the desire to ecnrypt anything i store on my personal machines. |
| 12:28.47 | petemc | and the fact that you didnt want/need to use it means no one else should either? |
| 12:28.56 | petemc | stops feeding |
| 12:28.58 | dongs | shrug. |
| 12:29.21 | dongs | you can just tell me what major/minor for sdi. sdj, sdk etc should be in /dev |
| 12:29.24 | dongs | and i'll go away |
| 12:29.29 | cantido | dongs: use MAKEDEV |
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| 12:29.44 | petemc | or look into why they're not created already |
| 12:29.52 | cantido | dongs: or look at the text file in the linux docs that tells you what those are |
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| 12:29.56 | dongs | that worked XD |
| 12:30.10 | cantido | dongs: or as petemc said .. if you're using udev you should have all the nodes you need |
| 12:30.34 | dongs | haha udev. no i dont want shit randomly renaming for me by random undocumented scripts etc. |
| 12:30.44 | smv | lol |
| 12:30.46 | dongs | udev is on what, 3rd or 4th generation? and still doesnt work properly.. |
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| 12:31.12 | dongs | udev, device-mapper, lvm, etc... all horrible attempts to make things work right but failing miserably.. |
| 12:31.33 | dongs | i forgot some other shit they had added to 2.5 or 2.6 and then trashed because nobody used it |
| 12:31.40 | cantido | sighs |
| 12:31.44 | dongs | might have been devfs? |
| 12:31.49 | smv | dongs, then go bak to ms-dos. |
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| 12:32.16 | smv | s/bak/back |
| 12:32.31 | dongs | ok i wonder waht happens if i make /dev/sdq |
| 12:32.38 | ansgar | dongs: It might not work as you seem to fight against it instead of using it. ;) |
| 12:32.38 | dongs | cuz /dev/sdp used up all 254 minors. |
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| 12:33.00 | cantido | dongs: don't wonder, read the doc about it |
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| 12:33.00 | riot | nah, lvm really is a pain in the ass. I'm for sure going to keep avoiding it like hell. There are better solutions in making. |
| 12:33.14 | riot | full acks dongs opinion. |
| 12:33.17 | nobod | Hi |
| 12:33.17 | cantido | riot: lvm isn't your problem, the initramfs is |
| 12:33.47 | riot | cantido: maybe, yet its still lvm-related. i wouldn't have that pita without lvm. And thats what i'm doing now |
| 12:33.53 | cantido | riot: and if you want to make things better (tm) work out why it isn't working and report it FFS |
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| 12:34.14 | riot | *sighs* |
| 12:34.16 | foetus | is there any way to list real installed packages? |
| 12:34.21 | cantido | riot: no, the initramfs apparently isn't able to get your lvm volumes online.. which isn't lvm's fault |
| 12:34.25 | riot | cantido: i'd like to see LVM _die_ |
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| 12:34.52 | smv | think that riot is using lvm the _wrong_ way. also thinks that dongs should just stop using devices as in bsd, and think more about adding nonexisting devices in /dev |
| 12:34.54 | riot | just like OSS. |
| 12:34.56 | foetus | my way this time: cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep -B2 install ok installed | grep Package: | cut -d -f2>packages.$(uname -n) |
| 12:34.58 | dongs | oh.. i forgot to add initrd/initwhatever stuff to list of unnecessary, undocumented, broken stuff.. |
| 12:35.20 | riot | smv: woah, this time i was using automated!! And it still fucked up again. Not my fault! |
| 12:35.29 | cantido | dongs: it's been initramfs in debian for a long time.. which shows how little you know |
| 12:35.48 | dongs | cantido: first thing i do is recompile kernel to get rid of all that filth |
| 12:35.53 | cantido | riot: you read the bit about "no warranty" etc right? |
| 12:36.09 | riot | cantido: And now, what? |
| 12:36.19 | riot | cantido: its been a long time ago, yes. |
| 12:36.27 | smv | riot, that's why i told ya to look at that page, and do your lvm manually. |
| 12:36.45 | cantido | riot: no one is forcing you to use this stuff, no one if forcing you to pay for it either.. |
| 12:37.00 | nobod | does anyone know the "COnFIRMED" target with iptables ? google is not my friend on this point :/ |
| 12:37.01 | riot | smv: yeah, i'm thankful for that hint, but still to annoyed and out of time to f*ck around with lvm anymore. |
| 12:37.16 | dongs | ah iptables |
| 12:37.22 | dongs | 4th revision of somethign that doesnt work either. |
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| 12:37.36 | dongs | i rememeber when all they had on their homepage was some kinda e-penis scoreboard of who contributed how many lines of code |
| 12:37.39 | dongs | and ZERO DOCS. |
| 12:37.42 | cantido | riot: if you can bring the volumes up in the initramfs shell it's probably very simple to fix your issue |
| 12:37.45 | dongs | infact the docs link was something like "read the sores, bro". |
| 12:37.49 | riot | dongs: now, wait.. iptables does a good job, imho! Just the native frontend is a bit weird. |
| 12:38.04 | riot | cantido: its easier to reinstall the dumbass-VM... trust me. |
| 12:38.09 | rvsjoen | CONFIRMED is not a target, it's a match for conntrack |
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| 12:38.19 | riot | (as that is happening right now ;) without any DM-stuff.. ) |
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| 12:38.32 | cantido | riot: ok, so it's a vm. did you have any reason to use LVM in the first place? |
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| 12:38.53 | nobod | well... I got this : "-A INPUT -m state --state RELATED -j CONFIRMED " |
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| 12:38.58 | smv | riot, tbh, making a lvm takes like 5 minutes. |
| 12:39.11 | riot | cantido: No, not really. Actually i only wanted crypto. I'm doing that manually now. |
| 12:39.24 | nobod | dongs: thx |
| 12:39.31 | rvsjoen | nobod: what about it |
| 12:39.37 | cantido | smv: you can get weird issues with booting if you have other weird bits in there like non-mbr partition tables though |
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| 12:40.08 | riot | smv: repairing it, when its broken takes ages |
| 12:40.18 | riot | smv: i just don't want that hassle right now - or ever again. |
| 12:40.29 | nobod | rvsjoen: I can't see any notes about the "confirmed" key word in iptables. Are you agree with dongs ti say it's deprecated ? |
| 12:40.48 | rvsjoen | nobod: are you telling me that rule works for you ? |
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| 12:42.17 | rvsjoen | anyway, like I said, CONFIRMED is a tracking state for conntrack module, (--ctstate), and not a target, so -j CONFIRMED doesn't make any sense |
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| 12:42.52 | nobod | rvsjoen: it seems to work for one of my colleague but it's an old FW |
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| 12:44.17 | riot | dongs: did you ever try (or even manage?) to run games with wine? I think it is another such pita. Jack is on my epic list of pita, too. Nice idea - bullshit realisation. |
| 12:45.01 | dongs | riot: i run windows, and i dont game. does wine properly run sol.exe from wfwg3.11 yet? that was last time i bothered with it. |
| 12:45.25 | dongs | they had window decorations from win3.1 |
| 12:45.51 | riot | dongs: oh, thats the one big exception, i have to make.. I managed to run sol.exe every time i fiddled with /&"!%§ wine. But not much more. |
| 12:46.01 | pozic | riot: wine works with quite some games. |
| 12:46.09 | riot | pozic: not here. Never did. |
| 12:46.31 | pozic | riot: I admit it takes some technical expertise do make it work in some cases. |
| 12:46.37 | cantido | wonders why dongs and riot use anything.. |
| 12:46.37 | pozic | riot: (and I also hate that) |
| 12:46.39 | riot | i think, wine just hates me :) |
| 12:47.08 | pozic | riot: DirectX9 games work fine. |
| 12:47.09 | riot | cantido: oh, there's tons of stuff i like, that likes me too. mutt, ion3, screen, munin, nagios, apache, python e.g... |
| 12:47.22 | pozic | riot: Excel works fine too. |
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| 12:47.35 | cantido | riot: you realise both nagios and apache are total shit right? |
| 12:47.49 | cantido | python is pretty shit too |
| 12:47.53 | riot | oh wow :) |
| 12:48.00 | riot | now you're making fun of yourself :) |
| 12:48.01 | cantido | yeah and everything else you use.. that's shit too |
| 12:48.02 | petemc | probably should keep the discussion to debian support |
| 12:48.14 | pozic | riot: You probably have some kind of special demands. |
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| 12:48.37 | pozic | cantido: well, all of that stuff is actually shit. |
| 12:48.49 | riot | pozic: about wine? hm, no. Guess i always give up to early and reboot one of the boxes to windows.. i'm a bit lazy, concerning games. Don't want to work for that. |
| 12:48.57 | pozic | cantido: people use it, but not because it is technically the best. |
| 12:48.58 | dongs | sdfacing |
| 12:49.08 | cantido | pozic: yeah, I couldn't get it working, and bitching about it didn't fix it so .. it's all shit |
| 12:49.41 | pozic | cantido: that logic can apply if you have the knowledge to build better systems yourself. |
| 12:49.50 | pozic | cantido: sometimes it is PEBKAC. |
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| 12:50.12 | michalxo | hello guys! is there a way to turn on wireless button by software?? like echo on > /some/script ? |
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| 12:50.26 | riot | michalxo: depends on your hardware. |
| 12:50.34 | cantido | waits for riot and dongs to write their own LVM, udev, hotplug etc etc replacements |
| 12:50.36 | michalxo | amilo li1718 |
| 12:50.48 | pozic | In the case of wine I know it works out of the box in about 40% of the cases or with some help from the AppDb. |
| 12:50.54 | dongs | whatever that is, doesnt sound good. |
| 12:50.54 | cantido | michalxo: see if you have the rfkill module loaded |
| 12:50.58 | michalxo | I have on other machine fresh ubuntu 10.04.... and they can't help me |
| 12:51.07 | michalxo | cantido soft and hard are not blocked |
| 12:51.55 | pozic | The low-level firewall which ships with Linux is also created by someone who wants to annoy users. |
| 12:51.57 | cantido | michalxo: is the radio never coming on or are you trying to enable/disable it via software? |
| 12:52.05 | michalxo | cantido lsmod shows no rfkill |
| 12:52.06 | dongs | kk |
| 12:52.18 | pozic | It is not "powerful" if a user has to read 200 pages to do something trivial. |
| 12:52.19 | riot | pozic: well, sol.exe was the only stuff i managed to run out of the box. Many installers even refused. After some hackery i managed to install diablo2 last month - but the game itself?! nope.. |
| 12:52.37 | cantido | michalxo: as far as I know all the software controllable radios work via rfkill |
| 12:52.40 | michalxo | cantido I am able to turn it on/off in Windows XP, could do it in ubuntu 9.10, but after fresh install no |
| 12:52.49 | riot | michalxo: have you installed the _package_ rfkill? |
| 12:53.00 | pozic | riot: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=315 |
| 12:53.04 | pozic | riot: have you seen that? |
| 12:53.05 | cantido | michalxo: well this is #debian not #ubuntu |
| 12:53.06 | michalxo | I can see it's status so I guess it is installed |
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| 12:53.15 | michalxo | cantido I know... but no help there :-( |
| 12:53.26 | michalxo | this is debian machine I am writing from :-) |
| 12:53.46 | riot | pozic: sure. I wondered hard. |
| 12:53.53 | pozic | riot: the people reporting on whether the apps work are not lying or anything like that. They are just like you and me and I have written some crappy reviews too; there is nothing wrong with saying "it doesn't work" with the proper information there. |
| 12:54.17 | cantido | riot: you realise that wine/winelib is being used for Some Very Big Stuff(tm)? |
| 12:54.20 | pozic | riot: people do actually respond, since gamers are quite passionate (or addicted, hehe) about their applications. |
| 12:54.34 | pozic | cantido: can you be more specific? |
| 12:54.55 | pozic | I was able to run HalfLife 2 I don't know how long ago (a very long time). |
| 12:55.00 | riot | cantido: i wouldn't ever do that. But i can imagine some cases, yes.. |
| 12:55.12 | cantido | IIRC Xilinx's ISE stuff is all using winelib for their linux ports |
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| 12:55.46 | cantido | there are some big deployments of crossover too |
| 12:56.33 | pozic | cantido: I don't know that product, but I too am pretty confident that most stuff works in wine. |
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| 12:57.37 | dongs | cantido: urwrong. they're using QT on both platforms. |
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| 12:57.54 | dongs | also ISE is trash on both platforms, but thats a given for any shit of that type. |
| 12:57.58 | cantido | the wine devs are pretty helpful from what I've seen .. I've been on the wine channel, described some protection that was failing and someone fixed it there and then |
| 12:58.01 | andatche | dongs: that doesn't mean they're not using winelib |
| 12:58.20 | dongs | look, why the fuck would they use winelib when they're using fucking QT. |
| 12:58.23 | dongs | think about it. |
| 12:58.31 | dongs | two mutually exclusive things. |
| 12:58.37 | cantido | dongs: because UI is only one part of the puzzle? |
| 12:58.46 | dongs | whinelib would give them nothing if they're already doing GUI in qt. |
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| 12:58.53 | andatche | they're not mutually exclusive by any means |
| 12:59.28 | cantido | dongs: windows has a lot of API's aside from GUI stuff |
| 12:59.47 | michalxo | cantido and how does it work in debian? that SW turn on off wireless button? |
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| 13:00.25 | cantido | michalxo: turning the radio on and off on cards that supports it I think is done via the rfkill module and an interface in sysfs |
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| 13:00.50 | cantido | michalxo: that should be the same across all the linux distros.. but it might be that it's something to do with the kernel version you're using |
| 13:00.57 | riot | michalxo: did you install rfkill by now? Try that. I'm pretty sure, ubuntu has that package, too. |
| 13:01.19 | michalxo | riot I am unable to install it there... does not have connection :-( |
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| 13:01.52 | michalxo | how does that rfkill works? I just saw state, block and unblock...? |
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| 13:02.09 | pozic | riot: anyway, the conclusion is that even whining on wine is useful, but do it at the right place (which is either the Debian bug tracking system or preferably the one at winehq.org) |
| 13:02.41 | michalxo | riot rfkill status show no soft and no hard blocked |
| 13:02.45 | riot | michalxo: um, i just researched, http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/MiniPCI says rfkill won't work on your card. |
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| 13:03.01 | michalxo | ah crap |
| 13:03.06 | riot | michalxo: there is a slight chance that the acer hotkey-driver works, as mentioned in the above url |
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| 13:03.24 | riot | michalxo: you do have an atheros AR242x in there? |
| 13:03.34 | visof | riot i'm down too, i'm using 8.8.8.8 and can ping it, but i can't open web pages |
| 13:03.41 | visof | i don't know what is the problem |
| 13:04.04 | michalxo | aaaah, what a STUPID laptop it is! worst gpu, worst wifi driver... |
| 13:04.09 | riot | visof: is the nameserver set correctly in /etc/resolv.conf? Do you have a wild running firewall activated? |
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| 13:04.48 | visof | in resolv.conf , nameserver 8.8.8.8 , i have firewall , it's ok i'm sure |
| 13:05.24 | michalxo | riot lspci should show it, right? |
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| 13:05.28 | riot | so you can ping google.com? Do you have a proxy set up in your browser? Did you try an alternate browser? I'd recommend uzbl |
| 13:05.42 | riot | michalxo: yes. maybe use -v for more information |
| 13:06.54 | visof | riot it's working again now |
| 13:06.59 | visof | i don't know now |
| 13:07.07 | visof | what is the problem |
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| 13:07.20 | michalxo | I can't see it here!... just ethernet controller, and some brdiges :-( |
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| 13:07.43 | michalxo | hm.. going to check out bios |
| 13:07.56 | michalxo | what a piece of crap this Amilo li1718 is |
| 13:08.17 | riot | amilo is FSC's consumer-series. Not the best choice, indeed. The lifebooks are quite nice, though. |
| 13:08.44 | michalxo | I pressume, debian would not work very good too, right? |
| 13:09.16 | michalxo | and suspend is not working for a year in ubuntu :-/ |
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| 13:09.32 | michalxo | is there a way to see what works with this laptop using debian? |
| 13:09.39 | riot | michalxo: hard to answer questions. |
| 13:09.58 | andatche | boot a livecd? |
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| 13:10.07 | michalxo | debian with livecds? |
| 13:10.21 | riot | michalxo: you tried this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1180170 ?? |
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| 13:11.01 | michalxo | yes, this worked for predecessors of 10.04 |
| 13:11.11 | michalxo | not with this "long term support" shitty |
| 13:11.27 | michalxo | riot I am the one with 2 last posts there :-) |
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| 13:12.06 | riot | michalxo: trying debian might or might not work. Usually, it does :) |
| 13:12.20 | michalxo | hmm |
| 13:12.28 | michalxo | but wouldn't it be too hard for a girl? |
| 13:12.40 | michalxo | She was using only GUI.. and commands I sent her :-/ |
| 13:12.48 | timeoh___ | How to download a special version of a deb package? |
| 13:13.04 | riot | setting everything up? Or using it? After you set up everything - it shouldn't be very different from ubuntu.. |
| 13:13.12 | riot | timeoh___: packages.debian.org might help. |
| 13:13.15 | michalxo | http://search.debian.org/ |
| 13:13.30 | michalxo | sorry, packages :-) |
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| 13:13.45 | michalxo | riot and which version should I give her? |
| 13:14.06 | michalxo | I am using debian 1st time with unstable/testing (sid) w/o big problems... |
| 13:14.08 | timeoh___ | yes i have been there but i can just download the current version |
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| 13:14.21 | michalxo | dpkg -i name.deb |
| 13:14.21 | dpkg | removes a liver from michalxo and replaces it with name.deb |
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| 13:14.41 | d3x | rotfl |
| 13:14.50 | michalxo | heh, how to install single deb then? |
| 13:14.55 | rvsjoen | do _not_ give sid to a beginner |
| 13:15.01 | riot | michalxo: definitely not stable and not unstable ;) I'm running unstable for 10+ years now without real trouble, but i now and then have to annoy the hell out of this channel ;) |
| 13:15.06 | michalxo | I am not willing to :-) rvsjoen |
| 13:15.27 | khaije|selen | Are there any gui network managers that support using bluetooth dun as an access point? |
| 13:15.35 | rvsjoen | stick with stable unless you have a good reason not to |
| 13:15.38 | riot | dpkg can be so funny :D |
| 13:15.38 | dpkg | riot: i don't know |
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| 13:16.01 | riot | rvsjoen: outdated software is a good reason, imho. |
| 13:16.05 | michalxo | rvsjoen so should I treat her as a "high-important-server"? :-) |
| 13:16.16 | kripz | What gui dc++ clients are available for linux? |
| 13:16.28 | rvsjoen | riot: sure, alot of people claim that, some of them have valid reasons, some of them dont |
| 13:16.48 | rvsjoen | bleeding edge software isn't always a necessity |
| 13:16.54 | riot | rvsjoen: especially firefox and all the stuff that connects to the web are a serious issue, if you ask me... |
| 13:17.17 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:17.22 | rvsjoen | firefox I grab from mozilla, I don't like the whole iceweasel-deal |
| 13:17.53 | cantido | you don't like that it doesn't have trademarked logos but aside from that is identical? |
| 13:17.55 | michalxo | so, giving her testing should be fine, right? |
| 13:18.35 | riot | michalxo: shouldn't be too problematic, yes. |
| 13:18.51 | riot | maybe stand next to her when she's upgrading ;) |
| 13:18.55 | rvsjoen | afaik iceweasel also is patched, though I can't remember the exact nature of the patches atm |
| 13:18.56 | liable_ | famous last words |
| 13:19.03 | michalxo | I hope my 3 months old cd, should work for her too :-) |
| 13:19.14 | cantido | rvsjoen: backported security patches |
| 13:19.17 | d3x | it's called iceweasel because of those patches |
| 13:19.19 | michalxo | riot I will refuse her to update :-) |
| 13:19.40 | cantido | hates having security patches |
| 13:19.52 | rvsjoen | I thought it was because of the whole licensing/branding issue |
| 13:19.52 | riot | michalxo: then take care of deactivating automated upgrades. But usually testing doesn't break on those. |
| 13:20.13 | michalxo | btw. is there a way to see how old is his version? (installation date) |
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| 13:20.29 | cantido | rvsjoen: debian backports security patches.. firefox only allow use of their trademarks if you distribute binaries they approve of |
| 13:20.32 | d3x | rvsjoen, and that's because of patches. mozilla didn't like debian patching firefox and calling it firefox |
| 13:20.34 | liable_ | the date of the install report log |
| 13:21.02 | riot | its stupid marketing bullshit getting in the way of security. Baaaad security! Bad! |
| 13:21.20 | thechef | outdated software is software, that is no longer supported. |
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| 13:21.37 | cantido | firefox probably want everyone to be using the latest greatest version, but that doesn't work in the context of stable |
| 13:22.50 | michalxo | wow! debian testing installation has frozen |
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| 13:22.50 | cantido | thechef: there is a red coloured company supporting older versions of software than lenny. |
| 13:22.51 | ansgar | michalxo: It has? |
| 13:22.58 | michalxo | 2nd try |
| 13:23.09 | riot | *sigh* and grub fails to install _again_ |
| 13:23.11 | michalxo | from 0402 |
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| 13:23.14 | riot | hurrrr, durrrrr |
| 13:23.15 | d3x | cantido, the support is also paid in their case... |
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| 13:23.50 | cantido | d3x: indeed, but "not current" does not mean that it isn't supported in some way or other |
| 13:23.52 | riot | good thing i don't need grub.. durr durr |
| 13:24.12 | riot | oh and how often grub2 fscked up on my workstation in the last 2 months... |
| 13:24.24 | d3x | cantido, i bet you can find a company that will support etch or sarge if you have a lot of $$ ;) |
| 13:24.27 | michalxo | ansgar "expert install" seems to work... aw crap.. this machine is not 64bit :-( |
| 13:24.38 | lontra | hi, i am curious if the following should be reported as a bug. presently when i copy files from my usb device to my laptop they are copied with read permission only, thus they require me to change their permissions if i want to modify them. is this considered a bug? every other distro allows me to read/write them |
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| 13:25.34 | riot | lontra: depends on your mount-options. You can change that. |
| 13:26.20 | lontra | riot: would that be in /etc/fstab? |
| 13:26.36 | lontra | riot: i let kde automount them |
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| 13:27.20 | riot | uh, dunno about kde.. i think its configurable in kde then.. but i'm not sure. Maybe ask in #kde |
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| 13:27.50 | lontra | riot: ok |
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| 13:27.57 | michalxo | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Fujitsu/Amilo+Li+1718 means it would know to suspend/resume? :-/ |
| 13:28.47 | riot | geez. i hate combo-boxes/lists where entry-textcolor = box-backgroundcolor *sigh* |
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| 13:29.14 | riot | there should be assertions to annoy developers, to keep that from happening :/ |
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| 13:31.26 | riot | its always the stupid gtk-shit failing. GARGH. |
| 13:31.36 | tnks | I got caught off-guard with the deprecation of /dev/hd* et. al. |
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| 13:31.51 | tnks | can someone point me to a link explaining the change? |
| 13:32.13 | tnks | the upgrade script did fix (I think) my fstab. |
| 13:32.15 | tnks | but not much else. |
| 13:32.58 | tnks | do I just replace every reference to the old device with /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxx? |
| 13:33.07 | tnks | or is even that not the recommended way to go? |
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| 13:36.03 | michalxo | guys, can aptitude install specific file.deb? |
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| 13:36.25 | michalxo | or apt-get |
| 13:36.33 | michalxo | does not matter... but not using dpkg :-/ |
| 13:37.13 | tnks | wait a sec. . . it seems like /dev/hd just moved to /dev/sd |
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| 13:37.20 | smv | michalxo, they all use dpkg at some point. |
| 13:37.29 | tnks | and I guess blkid is managing mapping? |
| 13:37.53 | smv | tnks, use UUID= in /etc/fstab, and get the UID values from /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 13:38.27 | tnks | smv: but what a bout configuration of other things like hdparm? |
| 13:38.38 | tnks | just want to know the best path. |
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| 13:39.20 | smv | tnks, you could just leave fstab as it is, and just replace hd* with sd*. i think hdparm config must be checked/changed acordingly |
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| 13:39.41 | michalxo | smv then why I got my liver replaced by some-file.deb? :-) |
| 13:39.42 | riot | oh, wow. the current installer is really fucked up. Builds totally dumb initrams |
| 13:39.48 | michalxo | dpkg -i my_brain.deb |
| 13:39.48 | dpkg | package my_brain.deb is already installed |
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| 13:40.10 | riot | fully automated install - and upon reboot there is no init |
| 13:40.33 | tnks | smv: the upgrade scripts upgraded fstab to use UUIDs already. . . just having to fix all the crap the scripts missed. |
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| 13:41.09 | smv | tnks, then i guess you shoudl check your logs to see what was missed? |
| 13:41.45 | tnks | what I'm not getting at is whether using /dev/sd* is still not advised because of some arbitrary assignment that might come later. |
| 13:42.24 | tnks | also, I don't know if the UUID-LABEL mapping happens before or after certain configurations in the boot process. |
| 13:42.35 | riot | i wonder wether anyone tested the current businesscard-installer before uploading.... |
| 13:42.43 | riot | it fails and fails and fails and fails. |
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| 13:43.48 | smv | /dev/sd* is the recommended way. the UUID's are generatead at the creation of partition(s), i think, and never changes, unles you delete/recreate the partition(s) |
| 13:44.35 | smv | riot, which one actually? |
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| 13:46.13 | riot | smv: this one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 13:46.26 | nobod | .disconnect |
| 13:46.35 | docmur | I'm trying to give my preseed file a network install path but in the installer over PXE It's telling me the mirror isn't good, did I specify it correctly http://pastebin.com/QBW1kYW7 |
| 13:47.26 | smv | riot, and what _exactly_ fails? |
| 13:48.48 | riot | the generated initramdisk never finds any LV or partitions at all. I'm running this in an otherwise perfectly working virtualbox. |
| 13:49.13 | riot | grub-install during the installer fails. Lilo boots. I'm going to try to install grub2 now via rescue-mode |
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| 13:52.29 | Bombo | are there binaries for blender 2.49.2 for lenny somewhere? |
| 13:53.01 | Bombo | standard blender version in lenny is just 2.46 |
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| 13:53.59 | riot | Bombo: nothing on backports. |
| 13:54.02 | smv | ,versions blender |
| 13:54.03 | judd | blender -- etch-security: 2.42a-7.1+etch1; etch: 2.42a-8; etch-backports: 2.45-1~bpo40-1; lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; sid: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b1; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b1; experimental: 2.50~alpha~0~svn24834-2 |
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| 13:54.35 | Bombo | hm so i need to install sid to use blender 2.49.2 |
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| 13:55.05 | d3x | squeeze would be enough |
| 13:55.08 | riot | .oO( why you shouldn't use stable ;) |
| 13:55.10 | d3x | and you can try backporting the package |
| 13:55.44 | smv | no need to do a full upgrade to sid, for that, you can mix if that's what you really want to do. |
| 13:56.03 | d3x | no need for sid either. testing is enough |
| 13:56.09 | craigevil | just download it from blender.org it runs right from the dir |
| 13:56.10 | junk | i want to install debian... what differences do the versions make... like the i386 etc etc |
| 13:56.22 | Bombo | tried to compile it but seems to need lots of dependancies i guess i would have to compile too first |
| 13:56.32 | d3x | junk, new to linux? |
| 13:56.35 | junk | no xD |
| 13:56.43 | d3x | then you should already know :/ |
| 13:56.49 | junk | LoL |
| 13:56.50 | junk | why? |
| 13:56.58 | d3x | heard about processor architecture? |
| 13:56.59 | Bombo | craigevil: hmm |
| 13:57.06 | junk | not really d3x |
| 13:57.19 | d3x | wikipedia might know something about it |
| 13:57.23 | junk | someone told me the first time i installed ;) hence the fact i don't know what the difference is |
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| 13:57.44 | d3x | in short - you want either i386 or amd64. others are for "weird" computers or smartphones or whatever |
| 13:58.06 | d3x | (if you wanted something else - you'd know) |
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| 13:58.11 | junk | mmm my machine runs an intel dual core 2,2 Ghz |
| 13:58.23 | junk | so go for the i386? |
| 13:58.26 | d3x | yeah, either of them will suit you |
| 13:58.29 | smv | junk, you want amd64 only if you know you need it or if know what you're doing... |
| 13:58.49 | junk | thx d3x smv |
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| 14:02.15 | riot | oh, wow.. the fstab is totally fscked up |
| 14:02.17 | craigevil | Bombo: I just tried it here,runs right from the dir after extracting it, at first it didn't doh not running 64bit downloaded wrong version |
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| 14:03.03 | riot | sda / hda-problem. Wonderful. I thought this was last decade. |
| 14:03.22 | petemc | you moan a lot |
| 14:03.52 | riot | i can't help it.. |
| 14:04.15 | michalxo | why does debian needs internet conenction?! |
| 14:04.19 | riot | well, at least that was easy to fix :) it boots now, after three days of installing... *sigh* |
| 14:04.32 | craigevil | riot: it just took debian a while to catch up , other distros have been using sdx for a while now |
| 14:04.45 | Bombo | craigevil: i'm still downloading ;) slow dsl |
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| 14:05.14 | michalxo | wtf? HELP! |
| 14:05.15 | petemc | michalxo: it doesnt, though having one makes it easier to get packages/updates |
| 14:05.17 | shuxx | Salut , qui est chez numericable ? |
| 14:05.19 | riot | craigevil: um, my workstation does this for years now. Thats why i'm wondering how this can happen with a current installer. |
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| 14:05.43 | riot | craigevil: in other words: i thought debian had catched up to this for a quite long time now. |
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| 14:07.04 | michalxo | heelp! I've got here some probelm with harddisk controller |
| 14:07.04 | rical | anyone know how I easily can find out the textencoding of a directory name? I know iconv and convmv can convert it, but I haven't figured out how to check what it actaully is? |
| 14:07.19 | michalxo | I need driver for it and I have absolutely no idea which one to choose from |
| 14:07.37 | michalxo | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Fujitsu/Amilo+Li+1718 atiixp does not work :-/ |
| 14:08.02 | riot | oh, guess what, the installer didn't add user accounts and didn't change the root-password either. Looks as if related to the previous bugs. |
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| 14:09.51 | Bombo | craigevil: crap |
| 14:10.06 | Bombo | craigevil: now i dl'ed the 64bit too |
| 14:10.17 | Bombo | i feel stupid ;) |
| 14:10.25 | craigevil | Bombo: hehe thats what i did the first time |
| 14:10.51 | craigevil | couldnt figure out why it wouldnt run |
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| 14:11.36 | TheMageSource | Hey good day everyone, i have a question. i have debian 5.0 installed on a Atom330 board with a realtime kernel but i have a really slow boot progress where "begin running /scripts/init-premount" takes forever (over 1 minute), does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 14:13.17 | michalxo | guys please help |
| 14:13.29 | michalxo | I need driver for disk drive on amilo li1718 |
| 14:13.47 | michalxo | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Fujitsu/Amilo+Li+1718 here it says it's atiixp but in installer it does not work at all |
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| 14:16.13 | HackeMate | does sid support for apple's magicmouse? |
| 14:16.38 | TheMageSource | HackeMate: as far as i tried, it works out of the box |
| 14:16.45 | dongs | oh boy |
| 14:16.52 | dongs | mvsas driver is a fuckin joke. |
| 14:16.59 | HackeMate | not the touchpad though |
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| 14:17.45 | TheMageSource | HackeMate: there is a module for the magicmouse, just add hid_magicmouse to your /etc/modules |
| 14:17.45 | michalxo | can anyone help me out with installation? :-/ |
| 14:18.08 | HackeMate | in lenny? |
| 14:18.14 | petemc | michalxo: which installer are you using? |
| 14:18.15 | TheMageSource | Yes in lenny |
| 14:18.21 | michalxo | expert |
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| 14:18.29 | petemc | michalxo: lenny? |
| 14:18.31 | michalxo | and used "normal" too |
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| 14:18.41 | michalxo | nope.. testing today |
| 14:19.01 | michalxo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:19.17 | michalxo | it hangs on HDD driver choose |
| 14:19.38 | petemc | michalxo: can you switch to another tty and see what its doing? |
| 14:19.42 | michalxo | I choose one, which is supposed to be "the one" but it not works... goes back to mnu and that's ot |
| 14:19.49 | michalxo | yep |
| 14:19.52 | rical | is there any tool for removing non-unix chars from a filename? |
| 14:19.52 | Bombo | craigevil: ok it really worked ;) thx man |
| 14:20.05 | HackeMate | excuse me TheMageSource, i was seeking information to add magic mouse module, is it a .c file that i should place somewhere? |
| 14:21.04 | michalxo | petemc disk-detect: insmod /lib...../kernel/drivers/scsi/atp870u.ko |
| 14:21.15 | HackeMate | i have downloaded this file few days ago entrope-linux-magicmouse-cd7fe9f/hid-magicmouse.c |
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| 14:21.20 | HackeMate | i guess is that? |
| 14:21.41 | michalxo | petemc choosing that one again not working |
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| 14:22.28 | petemc | michalxo: most often you shouldnt have to choose, it should just work |
| 14:22.41 | michalxo | yeah, that's why I am frigthened |
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| 14:22.45 | michalxo | so what to do now? |
| 14:23.05 | michalxo | grab other image? (which one if so?) |
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| 14:23.28 | petemc | michalxo: you could try kmuto |
| 14:23.41 | michalxo | what is that? |
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| 14:24.55 | petemc | !kmuto |
| 14:24.56 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 14:25.15 | TheMageSource | HackeMate: as far as i know, the module is already added, but i will look for you for a moment |
| 14:25.23 | asarch | What is the name of the package for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG wireless card microcode? |
| 14:25.37 | HackeMate | modprobe hid_magicmouse answers FATAL: Module hid_magicmouse not found. |
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| 14:26.11 | HackeMate | same for hid-magicmouse |
| 14:27.29 | docmur | Can anyone tell me how to get past this isseu http://img189.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img189/7905/preseed.png&via=mupload, I'm load debian from PXE and trying to preseed the install. Of couse this is part of the problem |
| 14:27.32 | asarch | Never mind, it's iwlwifi |
| 14:27.39 | asarch | Thank you very much dpkg! |
| 14:27.41 | asarch | :-) |
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| 14:27.55 | michalxo | petemc thanks... do I have to do anything else then burning that CD? |
| 14:27.58 | something15525 | anybody ups? |
| 14:28.06 | petemc | michalxo: with any luck, no |
| 14:28.40 | something15525 | anybody know how to install flash on the latest amd64 squeeze build? having problems |
| 14:28.41 | tdn | When there are upgrades for packages such as nfs-kernel-server, heartbeat, drbd, samba and other critical services, they are automatically restarted upon installation of the new package. This is extremely dangerous on some systems where these services are in use. Is it possible to disable automatic restart of services (or just specific services) in debconf (or whatever is doing this)? So that you just install the updated packages, but wait and restart a |
| 14:28.48 | michalxo | petemc I think it will not work for me.. I have no ethernet :-( |
| 14:29.30 | TheMageSource | HackeMate: all the things you need is on http://github.com/entrope/linux-magicmouse there is install information in the Install file |
| 14:29.36 | petemc | michalxo: if you get the base system installed you can change sources.list for the cds or dvd |
| 14:29.50 | HackeMate | TheMageSource: there i go, thanks |
| 14:30.18 | TheMageSource | HackeMate: NP |
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| 14:33.35 | craigevil | hid-magicmouse is in the kernel starting with 2.6.34, linux-image-2.6.34-1-686: /lib/modules/2.6.34-1-686/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-magicmouse.ko |
| 14:34.05 | HackeMate | i have 2.6.26 |
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| 14:34.55 | HackeMate | seems as i will need rebuild this kernel |
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| 14:35.39 | lindi- | tdn: policy-rc.d |
| 14:35.47 | HackeMate | what kernel version queeze has? 2.6.32? |
| 14:35.53 | HackeMate | squeeze* |
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| 14:37.07 | craigevil | HackeMate: 2.6.32-5 |
| 14:37.25 | HackeMate | better rebuild kernel then |
| 14:37.33 | HackeMate | it wil be an intrepid experience :d |
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| 14:38.25 | craigevil | HackeMate: if you are running either testing or sid, you can try a liquorix kernel the current vresion is 2.6.34, its a third party kernel but it works quite well |
| 14:39.10 | HackeMate | im on lenny right now, but that suggestions sounds interesting too, thanks |
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| 14:49.25 | michalxo | ok, seems like debian is not a good choice for amilo li1718 :-( |
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| 14:49.56 | docmur | Can anyone tell me how to get past this isseu http://img189.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img189/7905/preseed.png&via=mupload, I'm load debian from PXE and trying to preseed the install. Of couse this is part of the problem |
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| 14:56.33 | tarkaram | Is there a command that I can to check if the drivers for the TV tuner card have been loaded ? |
| 14:56.40 | JohnNew | how to delete this? 'You have mail in /var/mail/dev' |
| 14:56.55 | rvsjoen | read your mail ? |
| 14:57.03 | ksk | using "mail" command as user dev |
| 14:57.47 | ksk | u also can delete /var/mail/dev but thats dirty, and u should atlast take a look |
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| 14:58.18 | JohnNew | ok |
| 14:58.21 | ksk | *at least |
| 14:58.26 | JohnNew | ok i opened mail |
| 14:58.30 | JohnNew | how can i delete the messages? |
| 14:59.59 | cahoot | hit ? |
| 15:00.01 | tarkaram | type "d" at &..if you have more than one message repeat the step |
| 15:00.17 | JohnNew | ok |
| 15:00.32 | viz | I'm getting this error while restarting clamav-daemon and i still can't get it to work after trying several versions... where should i check for errors? /lib/lsb/init-functions: line 30: 17342 Segmentation fault /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --nicelevel $nice --quiet --exec $exec --oknodo --pidfile "$pidfile" -- "$@" |
| 15:00.32 | viz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:03.36 | e-future | something15525: add 'deb ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free' to /etc/apt/sources, look on www.debian-multimedia.org FAQ how to install the key, then do 'aptitude update; aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla' |
| 15:03.48 | TheMageSource | Hmm someone can help me with a initramfs problem? |
| 15:04.15 | HackeMate | is this important? 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file net/bluetooth/hidp/core.c.rej |
| 15:04.26 | jhutchins_lt | TheMageSource: Not if you're runnng squeeze. |
| 15:04.28 | dongs | yes. lol. |
| 15:04.41 | TheMageSource | jhutchins: No just stable :) |
| 15:05.08 | jhutchins_lt | In that case, we'd have to know what the actual problem is. |
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| 15:06.26 | TheMageSource | My /scripts/init-premount takes forever, so i found out that my IDE-CF converter does not supports DMA, so i made a ide_core nodma script in modprope.d but initramfs ignores it |
| 15:07.23 | lindi- | TheMageSource: regenerated initramfs after your change? |
| 15:07.27 | TheMageSource | jups |
| 15:07.31 | jhutchins_lt | TheMageSource: initramfs is a static image of the basic system that allows the boot process to begin without having access to the whole disk. |
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| 15:07.54 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, that's what I was gonna suggest... |
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| 15:08.19 | TheMageSource | the weird thing is that it should handle my nodma request, but ignores it completely |
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| 15:08.33 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: static? |
| 15:08.43 | lindi- | TheMageSource: can you put the initramfs online? |
| 15:09.00 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: As opposed to dynamically generated, you have to manually regenerate it to enable changes. |
| 15:09.02 | TheMageSource | even when i make a scripts in initramfs-tools to force_load the ide_core nodma function, it ignores the options |
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| 15:09.25 | TheMageSource | i could put the initramfs online since it runs on a CF card, got a moment? |
| 15:09.57 | lindi- | TheMageSource: maybe the module is already loaded at that point? |
| 15:10.57 | TheMageSource | I dont know, it should work, and with a hook script that force loads that functionality it would have priority over everything |
| 15:11.26 | lindi- | TheMageSource: well i can say more when I see the initramfs |
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| 15:11.39 | TheMageSource | sure will upload it, one moment |
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| 15:12.52 | haydn | hello |
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| 15:13.39 | TheMageSource | any place you would sugest uploading to? |
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| 15:16.42 | TheMageSource | lindi-: Uploading to website host atm |
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| 15:18.00 | TheMageSource | www.thorworks.org/initrd.img-2.6.33.3-rt19-1-686 |
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| 15:20.28 | TheMageSource | lindi-: really hope you can get to the problem, i have having bootup times over 1/2 minutes, specialy when it is a embedded device -_- |
| 15:20.51 | TheMageSource | you could even brake dma completely if you want to XD |
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| 15:24.29 | TheMageSource | lindi-: Im gone for a hour, called by work to fetch something, can you open a private chat if you find something? |
| 15:24.56 | lindi- | TheMageSource: sure |
| 15:24.59 | TheMageSource | thx :) |
| 15:25.01 | TheMageSource | brb |
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| 15:30.03 | ksk | uses windows too :P |
| 15:30.19 | ksk | wrong chan :x |
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| 15:34.42 | tdn | lindi-, thanks. I have now read /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz and I am not sure how to actually use it. Can you provide an example? |
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| 15:36.06 | unixp | how can i install smbmount? i installed samba and smbclient, but i cant use smbmount why? |
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| 15:36.26 | lepine | unixp: are you running it as a mortal used? |
| 15:36.28 | lepine | *used |
| 15:36.30 | lepine | jklhsdfjkh |
| 15:36.31 | lepine | user |
| 15:36.47 | Bushmills | file-rc instead of sysv-rc may be easier to maintain, because all run levels and - equivalent of - run level links are in one single text file |
| 15:37.13 | Bushmills | instead of bunches of specifically named symlinks in a handful of directories |
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| 15:38.56 | unixp | lepine, yeah, but it didnt find the command "usbmount" ... |
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| 15:42.01 | plastun | hello! when I connect USB device , I get: usbhid 4-1:1.0: couldn't find an input interrupt endpoint |
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| 15:42.11 | plastun | and device is not detected in system |
| 15:42.16 | plastun | why? |
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| 15:43.13 | puty | what can you recomend me for webserver with dinamic ip?ddns,no-ip,dyndns?thanks |
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| 15:43.16 | junk | ello, i'm installing debian on my laptop, when i come to software selection should i choose to install Laptop and Standard System? i want my laptop to run with Fluxbox and not gnome |
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| 15:44.10 | Natanaiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.16 | bzed | puty: search your favourite dyndns provider and a script that supports that provider. they all work well, at least I didn't find one which was buggy back in the time where I neither had ipv6 nor a fixed v4 address |
| 15:44.34 | lindi- | tdn: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584865 has some |
| 15:45.00 | Bushmills | puty: nsupdate |
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| 15:45.39 | krabador | hi to you all. it exist a way to build a live cd with a minimal debian and complete upgraded lxde? |
| 15:45.57 | bzed | !live |
| 15:45.57 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:46.23 | tdn | lindi-, thanks. |
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| 15:47.14 | docmur | does any one of a WORKING preseed generator, I assume it doesn't exist because preseed it's self is highly highly broken but if it does it would be nice to find. I have yet to bare witness to a working preseed config. |
| 15:47.19 | docmur | *know of |
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| 15:48.03 | bzed | docmur: preseed is not broken at all |
| 15:48.12 | docmur | ummm ya it is |
| 15:48.18 | docmur | it's the biggest pile of shit ever developed |
| 15:48.34 | bzed | docmur: guess you just fail to understand it. |
| 15:48.40 | puty | bushmills nsupdate is part of bind? |
| 15:48.41 | bzed | docmur: and/or you didn't read the documentation. |
| 15:48.43 | docmur | It wont partition, wont do user config and barely does mirror selection |
| 15:48.51 | bzed | docmur: it does. |
| 15:49.05 | docmur | hmmm then out of the 20 config's I've tired how have 0 of them worked |
| 15:49.14 | bzed | docmur: which documentation did you read? |
| 15:49.26 | docmur | the offical debian documentation |
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| 15:49.33 | docmur | I even tried there config file |
| 15:49.35 | Bushmills | puty: yes. tool for remotely updating bind zone files. permission assumed. |
| 15:49.35 | docmur | and it doesn't work |
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| 15:49.55 | docmur | this is the link |
| 15:49.55 | docmur | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/example-preseed.txt |
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| 15:50.15 | bzed | docmur: a good hint is to install a minimal system manually, and then run debconf-get-selections --installer |
| 15:50.21 | puty | ok thanks i think that i was looking for :) |
| 15:50.27 | docmur | I've tried that |
| 15:50.30 | docmur | still doesn't work |
| 15:50.37 | bzed | docmur: then you're doing something wrong :) |
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| 15:50.39 | docmur | I've literally had a 0% success rate |
| 15:50.46 | docmur | I can't be doing everything wrong |
| 15:51.12 | rouslan | I am about to install Debian Squeeze on a netbook using LVM2; should swap be on LVM? |
| 15:51.14 | bzed | docmur: I know that preseeding is a bit more PITA than using fai, but I know largish installations which are done with it without any problems |
| 15:51.38 | docmur | well I've managed to get kickstart working on a bunch of Red hat installs no problem |
| 15:51.40 | bzed | rouslan: I prefer to have it on lvm to be able to resize it in case I add more ram |
| 15:52.11 | bzed | docmur: how many computers do you want to install? |
| 15:52.17 | rouslan | bzed: Will there be any potential issues/incompatibilities? |
| 15:52.34 | docmur | 0 actually, I was just told to use this thing which has yet to produce usable results |
| 15:52.36 | bzed | rouslan: in theory it is a tiny bit slower... |
| 15:53.07 | bzed | docmur: but I guess you want to use preseeding for a reason |
| 15:53.15 | bzed | docmur: and installing a single computer is not a reason :) |
| 15:53.16 | rouslan | bzed: Well, obviously the same will happen to all partitions under LVM |
| 15:53.29 | docmur | I know, I just do what my boss tells me |
| 15:53.50 | bzed | docmur: are you sure that your preseeding file was read at all? |
| 15:53.53 | docmur | but in either case weather it's 1 or a 100 computers, I'd like to see it do a fully automated install at least once |
| 15:53.59 | rouslan | bzed: Is that why some people have root directly on a partition? |
| 15:54.05 | docmur | yes because I've had to mirror select |
| 15:54.13 | docmur | I have almost the same file in a ubuntu PXE |
| 15:54.23 | docmur | and the ubuntu does most of it correctly just not user creation |
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| 15:55.10 | docmur | in the ubuntu preseed I literally just changed the mirror |
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| 15:55.48 | aguitel | i remove all gnome stuff ,how enable sound anyway? |
| 15:55.50 | rouslan | bzed: I'll just use LVM for everything (except of course 64MiB ext2 /boot) |
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| 15:58.37 | bzed | rouslan: me too. additionally I have a dm-crypt layer under lvm :) |
| 15:59.14 | bzed | docmur: its no problem at all to preseed the debian intsaller with a partitioning rule |
| 15:59.25 | bzed | docmur: you're able to preseed the full install |
| 15:59.56 | bzed | docmur: did you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en ? |
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| 16:00.11 | docmur | I can't get it to preseed the entire thing, Every single thing I've read about partitioing in preseed says m config is right, yet it doesn't work |
| 16:00.45 | docmur | This section right here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman doesn't work |
| 16:00.46 | docmur | I've tired it |
| 16:00.53 | docmur | line for line |
| 16:01.22 | bzed | docmur: did you look in the debconf-get-selections --intsaller output for partman? |
| 16:01.42 | bzed | docmur: I *might* be that the partman part was renamed for whatever reason and somebody forgot to update the documentation |
| 16:02.09 | bzed | docmur: also you should figure out what your plan is with the preseeding stuff, if you want to install *a lot* of computers, you want to have a look at fai |
| 16:02.48 | chomwitt_ | can i report a bug in debian BTS even if is an upstream error? |
| 16:03.11 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 16:03.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 16:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | docmur: What DOES happen? |
| 16:03.31 | lindi- | chomwitt_: sure |
| 16:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | chomwitt_: It's often better to report it to debian, the upstream developers take things more seriously if they've been triaged by the distro maintainers. |
| 16:04.22 | docmur | okay well it selects a mirror, then loads all it's modules and etc.... then gets to the partitioning screen and stops, even though I have told it to use /dev/sda and regular / atomic parititioning. Then it installs and starts asking me for User config |
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| 16:04.56 | chomwitt_ | lindi-: i found some replies in debian BTS like..: that bug is a kde bug , so report it there.. |
| 16:05.22 | docmur | it's selecting certain things with in the partitioner, I don't have to select Finish write changes to disk and I don't have to map the disk out |
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| 16:05.43 | jhutchins_lt | chomwitt_: Reporting bugs to kde is futile. |
| 16:05.52 | lindi- | chomwitt_: well kde has a lot of bugs :) |
| 16:05.58 | jhutchins_lt | chomwitt_: They will not accept reports unless you are using the packages from their site. |
| 16:06.39 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: works for me |
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| 16:07.08 | jhutchins_lt | chomwitt_: Is your bug a kde bug? |
| 16:07.09 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: kst at least has an entry for "debian" |
| 16:07.09 | DL7LN | hi all |
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| 16:07.53 | DL7LN | can anyone tell me how to install the latest icedove-client? i tried to add "testing" and "unstable" in the /etc/apt/sources.list but nothing helps... |
| 16:07.53 | chomwitt_ | is someone responsible to take the bug report upstream ? (package mainteiner,upstream programmer,end user? |
| 16:08.13 | docmur | this is the preseed file |
| 16:08.14 | docmur | http://pastebin.com/1iS2kQBj |
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| 16:08.26 | jhutchins_lt | chomwitt_: It knidof depends on the package, sometimes it works better than others. |
| 16:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | chomwitt_: Debian's all volunteer, so it's not quite as organized a process as some other distros. |
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| 16:09.28 | jhutchins_lt | chomwitt_: Ideally, someone from the dev team will triage and verify the bug, possibly identify the solution, and push it to upstream. |
| 16:10.18 | chomwitt | jhutchins_lt: dev teams means the debian developers? |
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| 16:11.36 | DL7LN | what i'm doing wrong? i want to install the latest icedove-client newer than 2.0.0.24... http://pastebin.com/ktjQa4yH |
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| 16:17.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icedove |
| 16:17.51 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; sid: 3.0.5-1; squeeze: 3.0.5-1 |
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| 16:18.30 | jhutchins_lt | DL7LN: Looks like that's current for lenny. |
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| 16:27.15 | craigevil | DL7LN: try backporting it , /msg dpkg ssb , or you can always just use Thunderbird |
| 16:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | Or kmail. Kmail works great. |
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| 16:29.55 | Bushmills | claws-mail is quite nice too |
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| 16:32.09 | BobbyVee | hello all do i need to install any extras to get intergrated intel graphics card workin? |
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| 16:35.09 | Bushmills | xserver-xorg-video-intel, for i8xx and 9xx devices |
| 16:35.41 | BobbyVee | Bushmills: thank you |
| 16:35.54 | rouslan | If I append the line ``APT::Default-Release "stable";'' to /etc/apt/sources.list, will packages on Squeeze be upgraded to only stable (Lenny) versions? |
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| 16:37.17 | aguitel | only stable |
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| 16:38.15 | craigevil | rouslan: if you are running testing why would you want "stable" as the default |
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| 16:38.17 | rouslan | aguitel: But wouldn't the initial installation of Squeeze already install TESTING packages? |
| 16:38.33 | rouslan | That means I would have to downgrade...right? |
| 16:39.00 | Bushmills | !downgrade |
| 16:39.00 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:39.13 | aguitel | rouslan, you want to upgrade lenny to squeeze? |
| 16:39.24 | rouslan | No, I just installed Squeeze. |
| 16:39.33 | aguitel | and |
| 16:39.39 | rozie | squeeze = testing |
| 16:39.43 | rouslan | I want more stable packages. |
| 16:39.48 | rouslan | Or is it not possible? |
| 16:39.51 | Bushmills | install stable |
| 16:39.52 | craigevil | rouslan: the only real reason to have APT::Default-Release "stable", would be if you are running stable and mixing packages from testing |
| 16:40.05 | d3x | squeeze is pretty stable imo. 'stable' is more like 'rock-solid' :) |
| 16:40.20 | rozie | rouslan: not possible |
| 16:40.21 | aguitel | lenny<squeeze |
| 16:40.27 | Bushmills | "stable" in debian jargon doesn't mean "doesn't crash" |
| 16:40.48 | rouslan | Bushmills: The kernel does not support the NICs, and I don't want to have to recompile kernel modules each time a kernel is installed. |
| 16:40.58 | Bushmills | !kmuto |
| 16:40.58 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 16:41.18 | craigevil | rouslan: so use the kernel from backports, its the same version as testing |
| 16:41.26 | Bushmills | is there something like lenny-and-a-half? |
| 16:41.52 | rouslan | I'll just retain Squeeze; so will it become more stable over time? (if I continually upgrade all packages) |
| 16:42.16 | Bushmills | eventually, yes |
| 16:42.30 | dutchfish | rouslan: generally tetsing becomes more stable when it goes into freeze |
| 16:42.31 | Bushmills | put "squeeze" rather than "testing" into your sources |
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| 16:43.19 | rouslan | Bushmills: Will the packages be more stable that way? |
| 16:43.34 | Bushmills | when squeeze became stable, yes |
| 16:43.45 | rozie | rouslan: no, as today testing = stable |
| 16:43.57 | rozie | rouslan: read about backports |
| 16:43.57 | rouslan | ? |
| 16:44.04 | cahoot | megaconfusion |
| 16:44.06 | dutchfish | rozie: wrong, see debian weather |
| 16:44.10 | rozie | testing = squeeze* |
| 16:44.35 | Bushmills | rozie: lenny=stable. squeeze=testing |
| 16:44.49 | rozie | Bushmills: exactly |
| 16:44.50 | Bushmills | testing != stable |
| 16:44.53 | dutchfish | !testing |
| 16:44.53 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 16:45.11 | rouslan | Ok, so I should switch to ``squeeze'', and then upgrade all packages? (I just installed) |
| 16:45.30 | unixp | noob question: what do i need, when :"bash: deb: command not found" |
| 16:45.35 | unixp | for deb |
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| 16:45.55 | Bushmills | unixp: an executable named deb |
| 16:45.59 | cahoot | unixp: what do you want to achieve? |
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| 16:46.12 | rouslan | Right? |
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| 16:47.37 | seeker7 | I have upgraded to debian 5 but have some issues |
| 16:47.54 | craigevil | rouslan: testing is squeeze, if you just installed you should have the most recent packages, by changing from "testing" to "squeeze" in your sources.list you will stay with squeeze when it becomes stable |
| 16:48.07 | seeker7 | first is it will not recognize my root password that I established at install |
| 16:48.25 | seeker7 | 2. desktop resolution needs to be adjusted how do i do that |
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| 16:50.23 | dutchfish | seeker7: 1. I fyou root password was to long it will be truncated (lenny) 2. Depends on your windows manager or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:50.56 | seeker7 | what is too long it is 10 characters |
| 16:51.52 | jhutchins_lt | rouslan: Testing is for testing. It WILL break. |
| 16:52.15 | seeker7 | dutchfish: it is capitals small letters and a numeric |
| 16:52.20 | dutchfish | seeker7: min 4 max 8 |
| 16:52.20 | jhutchins_lt | rouslan: If you're going to use it, you should make a backup before each upgrade or package install. |
| 16:52.34 | dutchfish | seeker7: and thats easely to check out |
| 16:52.43 | jhutchins_lt | rouslan: That way you can fall back to a (presumably) working version. |
| 16:52.46 | dutchfish | seeker7: this can be altered |
| 16:53.00 | seeker7 | dutchfish: thanks is that new on debian 5? |
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| 16:53.06 | jhutchins_lt | rouslan: If you're not out to test software, you're better off installing lenny, and possibly using the kernel from backports. |
| 16:53.11 | seeker7 | dutchfish how can it be altered |
| 16:53.14 | dutchfish | seeker7: no |
| 16:53.44 | dutchfish | seeker7: can be changed in /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 16:53.45 | craigevil | 8max? is that a lenny thing, I run sid and my root password is 12 characters |
| 16:54.11 | dutchfish | seeker7: former debian's truncated on logon also, lenny doesnt |
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| 16:55.05 | seeker7 | dutchfish: so i can change the length at that path? so how do i get to that path if i cannot get in through root? |
| 16:55.15 | dutchfish | yes, i believe testing and above hoave monger passwords by default (not sure how long) i believe its now 64 max |
| 16:55.29 | dutchfish | have longer* |
| 16:55.39 | dkr | weird. jabberd2 was in etch, but not in lenny or squeeze although I see it in sid and active work/bugfixing upstream. did debian folks all migrate to ejabberd or something? |
| 16:55.54 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions jabberd2 |
| 16:55.55 | judd | jabberd2 -- sid: 2.2.8-2+b1 |
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| 16:55.57 | dutchfish | seeker7: you should be able to logon with the first 8 chars of you password |
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| 16:56.49 | craigevil | ,versions jabberd2 |
| 16:56.51 | judd | jabberd2 -- sid: 2.2.8-2+b1 |
| 16:56.54 | craigevil | whoops |
| 16:57.09 | seeker7 | dutchfish: ok thanks so i am using gdm but do not see anywhere to adjust screen resolution |
| 16:57.12 | dutchfish | seeker7: see also http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34033&start=0 |
| 16:57.20 | crash82 | Hello, I'm on a ubuntu system with correctly configured dns, I use dig @host anydomain.com and it returns a ip, I try ping anydomain.com and it doesn't solve the dns , any sugestions ? |
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| 16:57.38 | maxxou | hello all |
| 16:57.50 | craigevil | crash82: yeah ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:57.54 | dutchfish | seeker7: its either in gnome or kdm, or it can be set within /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:58.05 | dutchfish | s/kdm/kde |
| 16:58.16 | crash82 | sorry craigevil #debian !! |
| 16:58.20 | dutchfish | it depend son your window manager |
| 16:58.31 | crash82 | Debian system ... the server is debian |
| 16:58.41 | cahoot | too late |
| 16:58.47 | ryx | hello, how do I properly connect an USB-UMTS-modem on unstable, so that it actually works? |
| 16:58.48 | craigevil | seeker7: grandr or use modlines in your xorg.conf |
| 16:58.55 | maxxou | I have a problem with networking; I have 4 interface but only eth0 start at boot |
| 16:59.03 | crash82 | Hello, I'm on a debian system with correctly configured dns, I use dig @host anydomain.com and it returns a ip, I try ping anydomain.com and it doesn't solve the dns , any sugestions ? |
| 16:59.06 | crash82 | :P |
| 16:59.11 | fxiny | no lies or i'll add 1 to your 82 |
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| 16:59.32 | seeker7 | ok thanks guys I will try these avenues might be back soon. |
| 16:59.34 | ryx | gnome-network-manager somehow manages to do _something_ that works halfwaybut has a tendency to crash |
| 16:59.49 | Deeps | hiya, anyone got any experience gettign bluetooth devices to pair with debian using the cli? am running squeeze which seems to have a newer version of bluez than allthe docs i can find |
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| 17:00.17 | ryx | the device is an E161 from Huawei |
| 17:00.34 | dkr | jhutchins_lt: oh, actually I was confused by a quote of a mailing list post saying the package is was in "main" in 2008, but the original message actually says "it won't be in lenny, but the next one" plus the fact that I have an etch box here with the package, but I guess that was the unofficial .deb |
| 17:00.49 | cahoot | ryx: usb_modeswitch installed? |
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| 17:01.58 | un214 | is it possible to use sysvinit (not upstart) with debian latest? |
| 17:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | crash82: What does uname -r say? |
| 17:02.47 | ryx | cahoot: yes, it got pulled by the network-manager stuff |
| 17:02.59 | ryx | I also do get the three ttyUSB devices |
| 17:03.15 | simonrvn | debian doesn't use upstart |
| 17:03.43 | craigevil | ryx: http://john.de-graaff.net/wiki/doku.php/links/umts_debian that hwoto is for etch but most of the steps probably still apply |
| 17:03.45 | simonrvn | (for now, anyway *shudder*) |
| 17:04.03 | ryx | however I have yet to manage getting it to run with pppd or wvdial, and the connection tends to drop if I don't do continuous pings |
| 17:04.30 | jhutchins_lt | dkr: If you want to try backporting the current sid version to lenny, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:04.34 | un214 | good, I have ubuntu and want rid of upstart |
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| 17:05.00 | simonrvn | dislikes upstart |
| 17:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions upstart |
| 17:05.12 | judd | upstart -- sid: 0.6.6-1; squeeze: 0.6.6-1 |
| 17:05.23 | un214 | ,versions sysvinit |
| 17:05.24 | dkr | jhutchins_lt: yeah, I'm already looking into http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/jabberd2.html it's got a dependency on udns which was removed from testing. might have found a bug I can fix. whee. :0 |
| 17:05.25 | judd | sysvinit -- etch: 2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1; etch-backports: 2.86.ds1-47~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.86.ds1-61; squeeze: 2.88dsf-9; sid: 2.88dsf-11 |
| 17:05.25 | simonrvn | not default, thank goodness |
| 17:05.55 | danslo | Default debian install with GNOME. WINE seems to have added a bunch of stuff to my rightclick context menu (specifically to avi files). How do I get rid of them? :) (should I be in #gnome?) |
| 17:07.19 | ryx | craigevil: that looks interesting, thanks. I'll try once again with the info from there. I've already tried quite a lot of very similar stuff |
| 17:07.27 | aaronyy | crash82: Try dig +trace |
| 17:07.42 | ryx | it's very frustrating that there's no right solution that you can just run on the commandline |
| 17:07.52 | dkr | jhutchins_lt: ok, actually not something I can fix. the devs say it is WONTFIX due to the design of the package. looks like it is going to go the way of the dodo |
| 17:08.08 | crash82 | aaronyy, found the problem... bad typing |
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| 17:09.51 | jez9999 | Hi |
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| 17:10.20 | jez9999 | Am I right in thinking that there's no GUI interface in Gnome that lets you configure ALSA's sound *capture* settings? |
| 17:10.29 | jez9999 | that sound volume dialog is all about output |
| 17:12.31 | rozie | should be possible to choose, but I use no Gnome... |
| 17:12.40 | jez9999 | oh, i see |
| 17:12.51 | b0nghitter | it is very annoying that debian does not install sshd by default. god forbid someone want to use it for a dedicated server and not want to do a bloated install or pay $100 an hr for the datacenter to install it |
| 17:13.00 | jez9999 | you can check capture devices under prefs but none of them are checked by default! man that's unintuative. |
| 17:13.24 | jez9999 | the 'recording' tab doesn't even *appear* until you check a capture device |
| 17:13.30 | rozie | jez9999: you cn report a bug... |
| 17:13.56 | jez9999 | even if it doesnt know which device is the mic, it should just check the first recording device it finds (or preferably all of em) |
| 17:13.57 | cahoot | or just use alsamixer as God intended |
| 17:14.02 | jez9999 | there'll only be a few |
| 17:14.22 | jez9999 | heh, alsamixer. talk about using the terminal for that which it wasn't intended! |
| 17:14.26 | jez9999 | that's crying out for a proper GUI |
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| 17:15.41 | jez9999 | rozie: where do i report it? |
| 17:15.47 | rozie | b0nghitter: you can also report a bug. but IMO the less services enabled by default, the better |
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| 17:16.00 | rozie | jez9999: reportbug |
| 17:16.10 | tarkaram | is there a separate channel for v4l ? |
| 17:16.28 | b0nghitter | i didnt know it was a bug, i just figured debian devs were ignoring that fact lol |
| 17:16.51 | rozie | I'm pretty sure they're aware |
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| 17:18.00 | rozie | if one is not sane enough to install openssh-server, he's probably not sane enough to change root password from qwerty OSLT |
| 17:18.34 | b0nghitter | lol... |
| 17:18.51 | b0nghitter | yeah but how am i supposed to install it when i cant connect to it |
| 17:18.57 | PinkFreud | b0nghitter: Debian can be used as a base for both a desktop and a server. Most desktops do not require sshd to be installed. |
| 17:19.20 | rozie | b0nghitter: how do you install it, then? |
| 17:19.47 | poisonbit | most providers that support debian, deploy servers with ssh installed |
| 17:19.52 | un214 | apt-get install sshd? |
| 17:19.59 | b0nghitter | rozie do you not understand what a dedicated server is? |
| 17:20.10 | rozie | b0nghitter: sure I do |
| 17:20.41 | rozie | but if you're talking about _installation_ you have to be connected |
| 17:20.53 | rozie | somehow |
| 17:20.54 | b0nghitter | then you would understand that the terminal is usually not anywhere near the admin |
| 17:21.01 | b0nghitter | the datacenter installs it |
| 17:21.26 | PinkFreud | b0nghitter: I think what rozie is attempting to ask is - how do you install Debian on your dedicated server remotely? |
| 17:21.28 | rozie | b0nghitter: so it has sshd installed |
| 17:21.49 | rozie | the only way you reinstall machine is debootstrap |
| 17:21.51 | b0nghitter | rozie uh, no. like i just said. the datacenter installs the os |
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| 17:21.59 | rozie | and you _can_ install sshd then |
| 17:22.11 | PinkFreud | b0nghitter: then why doesn't the datacenter also install sshd by default? |
| 17:22.19 | b0nghitter | they install the OS without sshd, Standard for example |
| 17:22.55 | b0nghitter | good Q pink |
| 17:22.55 | rozie | all other ways include kind of KVM |
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| 17:22.56 | PinkFreud | This looks like a failing on the datacenter's part, not the distribution's. :) |
| 17:23.13 | rouslan | I just installed Squeeze but I'm unable to set up networking - I have assigned an inet address and netmask to pan0 (Ethernet) but there are no RX packets. |
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| 17:23.14 | rozie | b0nghitter: well, and this dedicated server has no remote input access? |
| 17:23.23 | rozie | no KVM, no ssh, no telnet? |
| 17:23.30 | rozie | change datacenter, then |
| 17:23.38 | rouslan | The switch indicates that the interface is active. |
| 17:23.42 | b0nghitter | KVM is usually not available unlesws you pay alot of $ for it |
| 17:24.00 | poisonbit | b0nghitter, if the datacenter "puts the cd into the server" then send them a preseed ISO image, that includes sshd installed |
| 17:24.15 | rouslan | ``dmesg'' only shows pan0: No IPv6 routers present |
| 17:24.47 | rozie | there are software solutions for KVM, but OK, it's rather for VM's |
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| 17:25.34 | rozie | b0nghitter: anyway, never heard of such a setup. remote machine set up by datacenter and no sshd |
| 17:25.46 | poisonbit | rouslan, pan0? which networking device is that? bluetooth ? |
| 17:25.46 | rozie | (no remote access in general) |
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| 17:26.08 | rouslan | poisonbit: oops, I just realized that it's Bluetooth |
| 17:26.16 | b0nghitter | well they would probably try installing everything or a lot of crap that isnt needed just so it will install sshd too |
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| 17:26.21 | rouslan | poisonbit: For some reason the Ethernet iface does not show up |
| 17:26.39 | dutchfish | there are other remote solulutions like draq and ipmi btw |
| 17:26.46 | b0nghitter | i didnt see SSH server on the list of slected apps to install diring the OS install |
| 17:26.49 | b0nghitter | during* |
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| 17:27.08 | b0nghitter | only Wed Mail SQL etc |
| 17:27.09 | poisonbit | rouslan, dmesg | grep -i eth ? does it load the kernel module ? |
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| 17:27.31 | PinkFreud | b0nghitter: get a new datacenter, then? :) |
| 17:27.55 | rouslan | poisonbit: I modprobed atl1e |
| 17:28.32 | poisonbit | rouslan, which device should it use ? isit in: ifconfig -a ? |
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| 17:29.38 | rouslan | poisonbit: Only wlan0, pan0, lo0 |
| 17:29.59 | rouslan | poisonbit: Nothing uses atl1e, only mii uses atl1 |
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| 17:30.13 | b0nghitter | i just got my server today from www.100tb.com they said that KVM is included but im still waiting for the login |
| 17:30.17 | rouslan | So the kernel module is loaded but not being used |
| 17:30.49 | PinkFreud | b0nghitter: then once you can log into the remote kvm, do 'aptitude install openssh-server' :) |
| 17:31.03 | rozie | rouslan: can you show lspci -n entry for this network card? |
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| 17:31.51 | poisonbit | I think if it where pci should be named eth |
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| 17:32.52 | rouslan | rozie: It does not exist there |
| 17:33.06 | rouslan | Only Atheros AR9285 Wireless |
| 17:33.34 | dutchfish | huh, a wlan in a datacentre? |
| 17:33.41 | poisonbit | when you remove/load the module, dmesg tells you that the module is loaded and the interface created and thetre are not errors ? |
| 17:34.02 | rouslan | No, an iface was not created. |
| 17:34.17 | rouslan | I'll try removing and modprobing the modules again. |
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| 17:34.43 | dutchfish | rouslan: what kernel is there running? |
| 17:34.47 | poisonbit | can you paste demsg of a full modprobe: -r module; modprobe module ? |
| 17:34.59 | poisonbit | can you paste demsg of a full: modprobe -r module; modprobe module ? |
| 17:35.16 | rouslan | 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP |
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| 17:35.40 | dutchfish | rouslan: thats more then new enough |
| 17:36.27 | dutchfish | rouslan: have you installed testing? |
| 17:36.31 | rouslan | yes |
| 17:36.36 | rouslan | Squeeze |
| 17:36.38 | rozie | rouslan: is it PCI card? |
| 17:36.47 | rouslan | Not sure, it's internal |
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| 17:37.05 | rozie | are you sure it is not disabled in bios? |
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| 17:37.20 | rozie | if it's internal, it should be visible in lspci |
| 17:37.34 | rouslan | Good point |
| 17:37.43 | rozie | can you paste full output of lspci on pastebin? |
| 17:37.50 | thepro4ever | if anyone here is familiar with aix, i keep shutting down a process and something keeps starting it up with a new pid, any idea what i could look for to make sure it stays shut down??? |
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| 17:38.23 | rouslan | It's enabled in BIOS |
| 17:39.04 | rozie | rouslan: lspci... |
| 17:39.12 | bartm | thepro4ever: does the process have a parent process? |
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| 17:39.32 | puty | hi i got debian os installed. Also wicd network manager (v 1.5.8). the problem is that since yesterday i detect very few networks |
| 17:39.36 | puty | any idea? |
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| 17:39.45 | puty | under backtrack works good |
| 17:40.35 | seeker7 | this is in my common.password "password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure md5 |
| 17:40.49 | PinkFreud | puty: The obvious answer would be to move to an area with more networks. :) |
| 17:40.56 | seeker7 | the problem is when i type my root password it says it is incorrect |
| 17:41.35 | PinkFreud | seeker7: where exactly are you typing your root password? |
| 17:41.35 | seeker7 | dutchfish: tried just typing 8 of the 10 character in password and it still tells me incorrect password |
| 17:41.37 | jhutchins | puty: netstumbler will give you a better picture of local networks. |
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| 17:42.15 | seeker7 | at root terminal so that i can apt-get xchat and also latest and greatest openoffice.org |
| 17:42.17 | thepro4ever | bartm: is there a way to tell if it has a parent process? |
| 17:42.23 | dutchfish | seeker7: ok, next q: did you change the language or keyb, so things could type differently then you expect? |
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| 17:42.43 | PinkFreud | seeker7: at root terminal? |
| 17:42.56 | dutchfish | seeker7: any console |
| 17:43.03 | puty | jhutchins i ask for any idea how can i fix it no about another program to scan |
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| 17:43.11 | rouslan | rozie: http://pastebin.org/383850 |
| 17:43.12 | seeker7 | dutchfish: at install I used american keyboard and my user password works just fine |
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| 17:43.25 | seeker7 | pinkFreud: yes |
| 17:43.33 | dutchfish | seeker7: can you login as another user? |
| 17:43.36 | mikolapiz | hi |
| 17:43.38 | bartm | thepro4ever: man ps |
| 17:43.39 | puty | PinkFreud i was allready ask in network area but nothing:) |
| 17:43.45 | rouslan | rozie: There used to be 2 Network interfaces... |
| 17:43.45 | PinkFreud | seeker7: Are you attemptingto launch the root terminal in the gnome menu? |
| 17:43.48 | seeker7 | dutchfish: yes |
| 17:43.51 | PinkFreud | puty: :P |
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| 17:44.01 | seeker7 | pinkfreud: yes |
| 17:44.03 | PinkFreud | seeker7: If so, try typing your own password, not root's. |
| 17:44.12 | dutchfish | seeker7: and console logon is not disabled? |
| 17:44.19 | un214 | is there a good way to tell the system that you placed its root directory in a subdirectory? |
| 17:44.25 | dutchfish | seeker7: ofr root i meant |
| 17:44.27 | un214 | (for initramfs) |
| 17:44.32 | seeker7 | dutchfish: where would it be disabled? |
| 17:45.03 | dutchfish | seeker7: by extra security programs or manually (i dont know if you installed yourslef or someone else) |
| 17:45.13 | puty | PinkFreud in this channel there are mster for all:) |
| 17:45.15 | PinkFreud | dutchfish: He's not typing it at a console. He'slaunching Gnome's 'root terminal', which, iirc, uses sudo. |
| 17:45.30 | seeker7 | dutchfish: I installed |
| 17:45.46 | dutchfish | PinkFreud: ah, i have read over that |
| 17:46.14 | rouslan | rozie: Maybe it's a hardware issue? |
| 17:46.16 | PinkFreud | seeker7: again, try typing your password, not root's. |
| 17:46.16 | b0nghitter | Linux x.mpdedicated.com 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 20 20:16:30 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:46.21 | dutchfish | seeker7: you can login as a normal user and su - / |
| 17:46.27 | b0nghitter | its an intel xeom proc.... amd64? |
| 17:46.40 | rozie | rouslan: it may be. can you check on different system (live OSLT)? |
| 17:46.54 | rozie | b0nghitter: rather yes |
| 17:47.00 | PinkFreud | b0nghitter: yes. Debina refers to the AMD/Intel x86-compatible 64 bit arch as amd64. |
| 17:47.04 | PinkFreud | er, Debian. |
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| 17:47.08 | b0nghitter | can i still do everything as if it was 32bit "686" ? |
| 17:47.09 | rozie | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flag |
| 17:47.21 | rouslan | rozie: It was detected by the Debian installer. |
| 17:47.42 | rouslan | rozie: But I could not get a network connection. |
| 17:47.43 | rozie | rouslan: what card it is (chipset)? |
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| 17:47.53 | rozie | maybe you need install firmware |
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| 17:47.57 | seeker7 | dutchfish and pinkfreud: i typed my password and roots and neither worked. i will try su |
| 17:48.08 | rouslan | rozie: Atheros; it needs atl1e |
| 17:48.13 | dutchfish | seeker7: seeker7 not su but su - |
| 17:48.16 | b0nghitter | http://pastebin.com/ZDtpNucB |
| 17:48.49 | b0nghitter | or do i need to do things special because its 64? |
| 17:49.04 | seeker7 | dutchfish: authentication failure |
| 17:49.27 | rozie | b0nghitter: it's 64bit (amd64 is fine) |
| 17:49.30 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:49.48 | ryx | craigevil: I really tried a lot, and this time I got as far as NO CARRIER |
| 17:49.55 | fxiny | seeker7: try just pressing enter |
| 17:50.07 | ryx | this is extremely frustrating |
| 17:50.13 | seeker7 | dutchfish: i have no problems in debian 4 |
| 17:50.29 | dutchfish | seeker7: what happens when you issue sudo ls (and give the password of the user you ar eloggid in with) ? |
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| 17:51.40 | rouslan | rozie: Sorry, this system's specs barely support a Java applet so it intermittently crashes |
| 17:52.16 | rouslan | rozie: I remember building and installing the atl1e module when I was using Gentoo. |
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| 17:52.57 | seeker7 | dutchfish: it says i am not in the sudoers file and that the incident will be reported |
| 17:53.02 | dutchfish | seeker7: Ok, have you activated shadow passwords on install/upgrade btw? |
| 17:53.15 | rouslan | rozie: Dmesg nor the logs do not have any new entries |
| 17:53.29 | seeker7 | dutchfish: no how do i do that |
| 17:53.42 | dutchfish | seeker7: you have been asked during install |
| 17:54.20 | seeker7 | dutchfish: remember nothing about shadow password activation on install |
| 17:54.28 | dutchfish | seeker7: ok |
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| 17:55.27 | dutchfish | seeker7: th eonly option i see is resetting your root password, i dont know the procedure by heart, it needs to be done on the console |
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| 17:56.20 | seeker7 | dutchfish: can root password be reset? i guess i will need to check my unix manuals |
| 17:56.21 | amabo | after manually installing a package using 'sudo dpkg -i <packagename>', do i have to run anything else in order for it to take effect? |
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| 17:56.57 | valdyn | amabo: no, if the package has no missing dependencies, yes if it does |
| 17:57.07 | valdyn | amabo: and yes: aptitude -f install |
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| 17:57.19 | dutchfish | seeker7: you need to boot in single user mode for that http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-reset-forgotten-root-password/ |
| 17:57.24 | rouslan | If I install a package manually (by opening a deb), will future upgrades automatically be downloaded from the repo? |
| 17:57.24 | amabo | valdyn: well, i had to install it's dependencies first. problem is i'm installing the wireless driver... |
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| 17:57.52 | valdyn | amabo: I see, can you hotplug that wireless device? |
| 17:58.01 | amabo | at the time, no |
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| 17:59.04 | valdyn | amabo: why "at the time" ? |
| 17:59.13 | valdyn | amabo: its not usb ? |
| 17:59.31 | amabo | valdyn: at this time i can't connect to the internet on the device* |
| 17:59.40 | amabo | valdyn: the packages (and it's requirements) are on a USB |
| 18:00.26 | seeker7 | dutchfish: thank you I will check out that site |
| 18:00.37 | dutchfish | seeker7: yw |
| 18:00.38 | rouslan | If I install a package manually (by opening a deb), will future upgrades automatically be downloaded from the repo? |
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| 18:01.07 | aaasdfasdfas | hey dude |
| 18:01.10 | rozie | rouslan: no. |
| 18:01.14 | aaasdfasdfas | any guy know gparted? |
| 18:01.29 | thepro4ever | bartm: it looks like there is something called daemontools-0.76 starting up the process i am trying to kill every time I kill it, you ever heard of this tool or how i can change its configuration not to point to the process i'm trying to kill |
| 18:01.47 | rozie | rouslan: well, wrong answer. it depends |
| 18:01.49 | rouslan | rozie: How would I install Network Manager manually and then receive upgrades automatically from a repo? |
| 18:02.12 | rozie | rouslan: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 18:02.13 | bartm | thepro4ever: no idea |
| 18:02.43 | fxiny | thepro4ever: daemontools ? is it windows ? |
| 18:02.50 | bartm | fxiny: aix |
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| 18:04.58 | thepro4ever | no this is on aix |
| 18:05.08 | thepro4ever | it keeps starting a process i'm trying to kill with a new pid |
| 18:06.03 | bartm | thepro4ever: I guess it's just a matter of getting yourself familiar with daemontools |
| 18:06.07 | rozie | thepro4ever: isn't it the task of deamontool? |
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| 18:09.34 | unixp | does the "chmod 777" command not authorize a directory to copy files into it? |
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| 18:10.01 | unixp | i cant copy directories into /usr/share/themes |
| 18:11.28 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:11.39 | simonrvn | stop doing dumb things like that |
| 18:11.49 | simonrvn | you can also put them into ~/.themes |
| 18:11.52 | bartm | unixp: that directory should have 755 |
| 18:12.27 | project2501b | hey guys is the nehalem x7560 the same thing as a xeon x7560? |
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| 18:12.47 | project2501b | ( I think it is) |
| 18:12.53 | project2501b | (same part number and all) |
| 18:12.56 | unixp | how can i find the directory? i use cp themexxx ~/.themes but the themes doesnt exists |
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| 18:13.10 | unixp | im into my home directory |
| 18:13.14 | bartm | unixp: mkdir ~/.themes |
| 18:13.24 | fxiny | unixp: cp -r |
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| 18:18.50 | simonrvn | project2501b: it would seem so.. |
| 18:18.56 | project2501b | cool :) |
| 18:19.08 | simonrvn | but i'm not h/w expert... |
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| 18:27.07 | inspiron | Build failed: -> task failed (err #1}: {task: regression_test_collector_task } |
| 18:27.28 | inspiron | anyone else experience similar problems with ns-3 when doing ./waf --regression? |
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| 18:34.28 | jez9999 | I accdentally typed a hash at the end of this command: mv /root/myfile .# |
| 18:34.38 | jez9999 | where would that hash have caused the file to be moved to? :-) |
| 18:34.54 | bartm | jez9999: probably the file named ".#" |
| 18:35.21 | jez9999 | ah yes i see |
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| 18:35.52 | Bushmills | nowhere, i'd say |
| 18:36.01 | jez9999 | nah it was renamed to .# |
| 18:36.02 | Bushmills | possible message "source and destination are identical" |
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| 18:36.40 | Bushmills | ah, no. source not in same dir |
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| 18:36.49 | flobbie | does anybody use native ipv6 here? |
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| 18:38.12 | jez9999 | can reportbug send mail using encrypted SMTP, as you must to send via Google's servers? |
| 18:39.51 | thepro4ever | is there a good site for downloading free debian compatible games? |
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| 18:40.31 | Pryon | you should be able to do that with aptitude |
| 18:40.56 | thepro4ever | well i'd like something that describes them and maybe show a pic or two |
| 18:41.24 | craigevil | thepro4ever: Syanptic can show pics and it gives a description |
| 18:41.33 | jez9999 | thepro4ever: synaptic package manger? ;-) |
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| 18:45.58 | bassliner | so what's the reason "ALL: PARANOID" got commented out in /etc/hosts.deny a few versions ago? |
| 18:46.22 | krisfremen | we're not paranoid anymore? :P |
| 18:46.34 | bassliner | sure we are not? :) |
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| 18:50.16 | fxiny | i'm not paranoid , few versions ago ? wt4x ! i coulb be owned ! |
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| 18:52.03 | jez9999 | reportbug is asking me the name of the package in which i have found a problem |
| 18:52.07 | jez9999 | i... don't know the name. :-) |
| 18:52.19 | fxiny | that's the main bug |
| 18:52.19 | jez9999 | it's the volume control dialog in Gnome |
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| 18:54.37 | bartm | jez9999: gnome-media |
| 18:54.49 | jez9999 | cheers |
| 18:56.05 | LV-426 | how do I regenerate the exim4 conf.d macro files ? 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' nor 'apt-get install --reinstall exim4-config' seem to do the trick... |
| 18:56.25 | zebradog | LV-426, m4 ? |
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| 18:57.28 | thepro4ever | how can i see if i have synaptic package manager |
| 18:57.57 | zebradog | thepro4ever, should be in the menu |
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| 19:00.28 | bartm | thepro4ever: dpkg -l synaptic |
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| 19:03.59 | LV-426 | zebradog, not sure how to use m4 with the template file - any higher level tool to slice it up ? |
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| 19:04.46 | zebradog | LV-426, m4 is supposed to be the higher tool, it parses macro files |
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| 19:05.50 | seeker7 | dutchfish: i go to single user mode as the site suggest but it then asks for root password instead of doing as site says |
| 19:07.48 | simonrvn | "the site" isn't using debian i bet |
| 19:07.58 | simonrvn | or you did it wrong ;p |
| 19:08.00 | zebradog | LV-426, http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/other/Sendmail_3rd/1565928393_sendmail3-chp-19-sect-1.html#IXT-19-1508 http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/networking/sendmail/index.htm |
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| 19:08.32 | Jhiaxuss | sup |
| 19:08.57 | hhomar | .quit |
| 19:08.58 | Jhiaxuss | is there a way to setup debian as ext4 after you have installed it or do i have to reistall it |
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| 19:09.54 | rozie | Jhiaxuss: there are pretty many descriptions on the net |
| 19:10.10 | seeker7 | trying to reset root passwd need guidance |
| 19:10.42 | unixp | how is the easiest way to install java? |
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| 19:11.07 | dutchfish | seeker7: i am a bit out of suggestions ... mmmm |
| 19:11.07 | zebradog | !jre |
| 19:11.07 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:11.48 | zebradog | !tell unixp install java |
| 19:11.58 | zebradog | !tell unixp how to install java |
| 19:12.11 | zebradog | "<dpkg> For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alte |
| 19:12.15 | zebradog | goddamit |
| 19:12.21 | seeker7 | dutchfish: really do not want to reinstall but maybe i need to at boot it is saying cannot load a mem something would that have something to do with it? memory works jsut fine with other hard drives in this box |
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| 19:13.04 | dutchfish | seeker7: can you give the exact message? |
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| 19:15.05 | LV-426 | zebradog, thanks, i was more hoping for a more 'debian' way to start the installation process which initially generated the files in the first place... |
| 19:15.18 | unixp | how is the command to get the pc in sleep mode? |
| 19:15.33 | aaasdfasdfas | anyone used gparted before? |
| 19:15.34 | aaasdfasdfas | i need help |
| 19:15.45 | aaasdfasdfas | i have old disk image(which has debian) |
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| 19:21.39 | holycow | hey guys |
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| 19:21.54 | holycow | what is the deal with etch repos .. lots of mirrors don't seem to carry that any longer |
| 19:21.57 | bartm | seeker7: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/root.htm |
| 19:22.12 | rvsjoen | topic |
| 19:22.19 | holycow | what happenes to things like etch? are the repo/binaries archived somewhere? |
| 19:22.25 | pozic | I have a cdrom which I used to boot another machine, but when I used it on this one, it seems it is not recognized by the BIOS as being bootable. Is there some way to perform this test for bootability from within the OS? |
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| 19:22.26 | rvsjoen | !etch |
| 19:22.27 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 19:22.40 | holycow | danke! |
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| 19:26.10 | seeker7 | bartm: can I do a similar thing in grub |
| 19:26.33 | bartm | seeker7: still need guidance? |
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| 19:28.31 | bartm | seeker7: ah you wrote "can I", not "I can", so it's a question :) |
| 19:28.38 | bartm | seeker7: yes you can |
| 19:29.15 | bartm | seeker7: add init=/bin/bash at the end of the kernel line |
| 19:29.38 | seeker7 | bartm: I will try that then thanks will be back soon |
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| 19:30.39 | aaasdfasdfas | hello |
| 19:30.48 | aaasdfasdfas | any way to check what partition hold what data? |
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| 19:31.11 | bartm | aaasdfasdfas: df |
| 19:31.13 | lindi- | aaasdfasdfas: file -sL /dev/sd* |
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| 19:35.33 | rking | I like baobab for finding out recursive folder use. The display is handy, though a du - | sort -n works faster depending on what I'm doing |
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| 19:38.16 | b0nghitter | wtf no slocate package? |
| 19:38.32 | b0nghitter | how do i update the locate db? |
| 19:38.44 | bartm | b0nghitter: updatedb ? |
| 19:38.46 | seeker7 | bartm: must not be doing something right because it went ahead and booted into desktop manager asking for user password |
| 19:38.52 | b0nghitter | oh |
| 19:39.01 | b0nghitter | im used to slocate -u :\ |
| 19:39.17 | seeker7 | i am just going to reload and not use as long of a password for root |
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| 19:40.17 | bartm | seeker7: reboot, in the grub menu type e, select the kernel line and type e again, add init=/bin/bash at the end, press enter, and then b to boot |
| 19:40.29 | jez9999 | if it doesn't manage to send the e-mail, where does Reportbug store the bug report I was going to send when i quit? |
| 19:40.51 | bartm | jez9999: somewhere in /tmp I guess (not sure) |
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| 19:41.47 | b0nghitter | no webmin package either? .... no webmin, no nx server... wth lol |
| 19:41.54 | jez9999 | bartm: hmm, yeah. strange it doesn't put it in your home dir |
| 19:42.31 | phizz | anyone have problems with losing data written to an external USB hard drive after unplugging it? I copied a bunch of files over and afterwards told Thunar to unmount it, it said writing to disk then it was safe to unmount. Next time I plugged in the drive it all the files showed up but as 0 bytes. |
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| 19:42.57 | seeker7 | bartm:thanks that is what I was doing wrong i was hitting escape instead of enter |
| 19:43.22 | Jon_ | anyone have experience with isntalling icecast 2 on a debian OS serer |
| 19:43.23 | Jon_ | server* |
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| 19:43.44 | bartm | seeker7: the result should be a root prompt # |
| 19:44.40 | jez9999 | ok so having submitted a response to a bug via Reportbug, how long until it appears on bugs.debian.org? |
| 19:44.51 | bartm | jez9999: between 15 and 60 minutes |
| 19:44.59 | jez9999 | k |
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| 19:47.22 | seeker7 | bartm: got there then typed passwd and it asked for new password and then after verifying the password says that the authentication token lock busy password unchanged |
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| 19:47.41 | bartm | seeker7: mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 19:48.26 | jhutchins | gets more popcorn |
| 19:48.37 | simonrvn | gets another coffee |
| 19:48.43 | bartm | another belgian beer |
| 19:48.54 | dutchfish | is back |
| 19:48.59 | jhutchins | !beer bartm |
| 19:48.59 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for bartm |
| 19:49.57 | bartm | seeker7: still there? |
| 19:50.19 | jhutchins | I hate that. You're trying to help someone and there's no reply. |
| 19:50.28 | jhutchins | It's like watching a video and the screen freezes. |
| 19:50.42 | bartm | nods to jhutchins |
| 19:50.56 | jhutchins | wanders off again |
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| 19:51.10 | seeker7 | bartm: yes thanks it looks like it worked I am now going to reboot and see if I can get in root terminal with new password. |
| 19:51.24 | bartm | great |
| 19:51.26 | fxiny | which is ? |
| 19:51.29 | fxiny | :P |
| 19:51.34 | bartm | lol |
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| 19:56.05 | mirak_ | hi |
| 19:56.22 | mirak_ | what is the march type for amd64 architecture ? |
| 19:56.43 | b0nghitter | can i install i386 packages on am64 ? |
| 19:56.47 | mirak_ | -march in gcc. I need something that can build on intel and amd |
| 19:56.54 | mirak_ | run |
| 19:57.00 | bartm | b0nghitter: yes, in a chroot as described in the amd64 howto |
| 19:57.45 | bartm | b0nghitter: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 19:58.10 | simonrvn | it's -m'arch' not -'march' |
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| 19:58.40 | b0nghitter | ty |
| 19:58.46 | bartm | np |
| 19:58.52 | simonrvn | you leave that off. you use that for "optimising" for a specific cpu. |
| 19:59.18 | seeker7 | bartm: it seems to have worked thanks a bunch. |
| 19:59.24 | simonrvn | man gcc |
| 19:59.28 | bartm | seeker7: np |
| 19:59.56 | dutchfish | bartm: thanks |
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| 20:00.26 | bartm | dutchfish: ? |
| 20:00.39 | bartm | doesn't remember helping dutchfish :) |
| 20:00.58 | dutchfish | bartm: for picking up where i got stuck with helping |
| 20:01.04 | bartm | haa I see |
| 20:02.41 | seeker7 | bartm: new issue i want to get openoffice.org 3.0 whatever and i do a apt-get openoffice.org and it tells me I ahve the newest version but the version i have is 2.4 |
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| 20:03.25 | un214 | finally got multiuser back up |
| 20:03.41 | bartm | seeker7: using lenny ? |
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| 20:05.39 | seeker7 | bartm: i believes so debian 5 the latest and greatest |
| 20:06.14 | bartm | seeker7: then version 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny7 is the latest |
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| 20:07.34 | seeker7 | bartm: ok thanks the openoffice site just referred to a 3.0 that would read docx files. |
| 20:07.52 | superlinux | hi . how can I know my mobo's info e.g the model? |
| 20:08.23 | bartm | seeker7: if you want newer, then you start mixing lenny with testing, which is possible, google "apt pinning" |
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| 20:09.14 | mirak_ | hey |
| 20:09.30 | mirak_ | anyone knows the march for generating code for amd64 and core2duo ? |
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| 20:11.05 | maxxou | I have a problem with networking; I have 4 interface but only eth0 start automaticly |
| 20:11.27 | lindi- | maxxou: network manager? |
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| 20:11.40 | superlinux | ok found it |
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| 20:11.43 | superlinux | thanks |
| 20:11.45 | maxxou | lindi-, no it is on a server |
| 20:11.50 | lindi- | maxxou: interfaces? |
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| 20:12.14 | bartm | maxxou: familiar with editing /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:12.46 | maxxou | my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/PmaWXCPP |
| 20:13.09 | lindi- | maxxou: that looks like ifconfig to me |
| 20:13.33 | maxxou | when i /etc/init.d/networking restart it's ok |
| 20:13.50 | maxxou | sorry |
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| 20:14.03 | maxxou | lindi-, http://pastebin.com/0TaBMdPL |
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| 20:16.06 | lindi- | maxxou: you have multiple default routes? |
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| 20:17.31 | maxxou | lindi-, http://pastebin.com/zdQUU0Mk |
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| 20:26.31 | craigevil | ,versions openoffice.org-writer |
| 20:26.33 | judd | openoffice.org-writer -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny7; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny7; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-3; sid: 1:3.2.1-4 |
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| 20:29.02 | aaasdfasdfas | hi all |
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| 20:40.57 | b0nghitter | if i want to switch a 64bit machine to use 32bit, all i have to do is change the kernel? |
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| 20:41.23 | simonrvn | no |
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| 20:41.25 | b0nghitter | can 32bit read 8gb ram? |
| 20:41.43 | b0nghitter | i dont want 64 unless i need it |
| 20:42.08 | vsmatck | 32 bit generally only reads 2^32 bytes (4bB). However you can use PAE to read more than 4gB. |
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| 20:42.27 | vsmatck | If you want to go to 32bit from a 64bit system you have to reinstall everything because all programs on your computer are 64bit. |
| 20:42.31 | b0nghitter | i dont have access to the bios |
| 20:42.39 | aaasdfasdfas | how do i umount and mount offline? |
| 20:42.42 | aaasdfasdfas | i use gparted livecd |
| 20:42.44 | aaasdfasdfas | any clue guys |
| 20:42.51 | aaasdfasdfas | gparted livecd doesn't know the debian i have |
| 20:42.53 | aaasdfasdfas | any clue? |
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| 20:44.08 | un214 | speakertest plays no output |
| 20:44.09 | b0nghitter | nvm fsck it ill use the ia32 chroot |
| 20:44.20 | b0nghitter | spends more hours bsing around with it |
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| 20:47.25 | un214 | for some reason pc speaker is primary sound and nvidia sound is listed second |
| 20:48.04 | larsl | Hello, I'm looking for either a caching web proxy that lets me configure which URLs are cached and where the cached files are stored, per URL (e.g. http://example.com/pictures/foo.jpg is stored at Pics/example/foo/picture.jpg), or a tool that analyses the Iceweasel cache and extracts cached files whose URL matches certain patterns. Are there any Debian packages like that? |
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| 20:50.29 | un214 | !sound |
| 20:50.29 | dpkg | sound is, like, ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>. |
| 20:50.36 | sphenxes | where can i find Pys60 emulator for linux (i am looking at forum.nokia.com but can't find any) |
| 20:50.45 | un214 | !alsa checklist |
| 20:50.45 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 20:51.28 | larsl | Any suggestions for the proxy/cache tool? |
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| 20:55.32 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way to change ctime on file |
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| 20:56.04 | un214 | aplay noise.wav doesn't make any sound, alsamixer shows nothing muted |
| 20:56.38 | un214 | well now finally an error message |
| 20:56.44 | un214 | cat says device or resource busy |
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| 21:00.18 | DimmuR | is there any way to install xorg without installing all input/video etc drivers? just pure xorg with minimal drivers required so i can install choosed by myself drivers? |
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| 21:02.03 | craigevil | DimmuR: only install the xservre-xorg-* that you need |
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| 21:04.11 | nutron | Ok, in a nutshell, I need to deploy about 85+ debian squeeze installs. Both i386 and amd64 distributions. Is there a central/sane method to do this cleanly? (other than preseeding?) |
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| 21:04.35 | craigevil | !fai |
| 21:04.35 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:05.01 | nutron | Not that preseeding is bad... |
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| 21:05.20 | nutron | oooh I've seen that before, don't remember why I discounted it. I'll go look again. |
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| 21:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: Why would you need to test on that many different machines? |
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| 21:07.37 | nutron | jhutchins_lt: Lenny is dated by the standards required. While squeeze should be stable within the year I'm willing to risk it. I have a list of packages that are unusable in lenny unfortunately so my next best option is something "kinda and not really" stable. |
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| 21:08.36 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: I think you are confused by the meaning of "stable". |
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| 21:09.27 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: Why not run a stable base and if necessary backport packages from etch if they are truely essential? |
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| 21:09.49 | nutron | Nah, I'm not. I understand the difference. The target is my goal, not the security/stability aspect. What use is installing lenny when I have to backport a multitude of packages? |
| 21:09.51 | un214 | that's just gone bad |
| 21:09.51 | nutron | from etch? |
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| 21:10.22 | un214 | for some reason alsa is defaulting to pcspeaker and playing nothing |
| 21:10.24 | nutron | essentially turning the desktop computer into a squeeze box? |
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| 21:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | er, squeeze |
| 21:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: Not if you're conservative about what you backport, using only what you actually need instead of anthing new and shiney. |
| 21:12.29 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: As someone who maintains a variety of systems with Lenny, I'm skeptical of people who think they need squeeze. |
| 21:12.55 | b0nghitter | howdo i tell aptitude to use a manually installed version of a package? so i can compiel it myself with the options i want |
| 21:13.05 | puty | i update debian kernel but grup shows new and old entry. what can i do? delete old entry from grup? it's enough? |
| 21:13.21 | jhutchins_lt | b0nghitter: Build it as a deb package. |
| 21:13.25 | lindi- | b0nghitter: make sure your version number is higher |
| 21:13.34 | b0nghitter | hmm, ok thanks |
| 21:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | !tell b0nghitter about ssb |
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| 21:13.56 | un214 | what does it mean Rate 48000Hz are not available for playback -- invalid argument? |
| 21:14.12 | nutron | jhutchins_lt: I do see your point. The machines I'm moving from are all etch. The target is close enough for my tastes, as I hope to leave squeeze running on these boxes for a few years (2 hopefully). |
| 21:14.39 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: squeeze WILL break between now and whenever it goes stable. |
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| 21:15.45 | nutron | jhutchins_lt: yes, I'm aware of that too. Though because I don't specifically have a central method to administer these boxes, the target is squeeze because LDAP/PAM etc etc... |
| 21:15.46 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: You'll need test machines to verify updates on, to make sure that you don't push something that breaks systems. |
| 21:15.47 | nutron | grr ignore that |
| 21:15.48 | nutron | brb |
| 21:17.05 | jhutchins_lt | un214: We might be more helpful if we knew what you were trying to do, on what release. |
| 21:17.23 | un214 | debian testing, pulled earlier this morning |
| 21:17.30 | un214 | trying to get sound playback to work at all |
| 21:17.59 | jhutchins_lt | un214: Well, it IS testing. What player? |
| 21:18.07 | un214 | aplay |
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| 21:18.14 | jhutchins_lt | un214: Been through the alsa checklist? |
| 21:18.18 | un214 | yeah |
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| 21:18.47 | un214 | noise to /dev/audio is muted, aplay doesn't work but no exit code, nothing else of interest |
| 21:18.54 | un214 | alsamixer doesn't show anything muted |
| 21:19.04 | jhutchins_lt | puty: It's usually a good idea to keep the old kernel around for a while in case something on the new one doesn't work. |
| 21:19.17 | un214 | !alsa-checklist |
| 21:19.17 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 21:19.18 | jhutchins_lt | puty: After you're sure the new one works with everything, you can use aptitude to remove the old one. |
| 21:19.55 | puty | ok thanks i keep old for a while. thanks |
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| 21:22.32 | un214 | huh what removing the speaker driver made /dev/dsp disappear |
| 21:23.17 | un214 | ok that's the problem -- not detecting actual card |
| 21:24.09 | un214 | 00:07.0 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio [10de:0774] (rev a1) |
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| 21:27.51 | FabParma | does exist a desktop search engine that index only file names and directory? skipping the content of the files obviously |
| 21:28.13 | karme | locate |
| 21:28.17 | un214 | is there a procedure to switch to stable? |
| 21:28.45 | d3x | un214, from? |
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| 21:28.55 | un214 | testing |
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| 21:36.01 | craigevil | !downgrade |
| 21:36.01 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 21:36.51 | un214 | kernel from stable -- boom fixed |
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| 21:36.59 | lvh | hey |
| 21:37.07 | lvh | I'm trying to install debian from hd-media on a laptop |
| 21:37.16 | lvh | two ethernet devices: e1000 and ipw. |
| 21:37.50 | lvh | I've put the following image on the hd-media: firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian testing amd64 Bin-1 ' (bootable) |
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| 21:38.13 | lvh | Hoping that the firmware would include ipw firmware. Unfortunately it appears the installer doesn't recognize the iso. Any idea why that might be? |
| 21:38.42 | lvh | I'm using http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ to install testing (I'd like to install on ext4; AFAIK squeeze doesnt let me) |
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| 21:40.07 | craigevil | lvh: testing is squeeze |
| 21:40.11 | craigevil | !usb install |
| 21:40.12 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 21:41.38 | lvh | craigevil: Whoops I mean lenny. (actually, AFAIK squeeze images don't let you install on ext4 either?) |
| 21:42.09 | lvh | craigevil: That describes the boot process which works fine. |
| 21:42.20 | lvh | I can get into the usb stick part; the installer simply does not recognize the installer iso. |
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| 21:43.56 | craigevil | lvh: the simplest way that i know of is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 21:45.13 | craigevil | you will need the necessary firmware on separate media, firmware-linux-nonfree for e1000 |
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| 21:45.48 | lvh | Is the EEEPC link intentional? |
| 21:46.00 | lvh | (Because it does firmware?) |
| 21:46.15 | craigevil | no its just the easiest method for installing from usb |
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| 22:08.17 | b0nghitter | how do i add an IP from a different subnet to my eth1:0 virtual interface? |
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| 22:09.04 | iceroot | b0nghitter: ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:09.14 | b0nghitter | eth1 has 173.192.153.144 and my extra IPs are 173.244.208.100 - .107 |
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| 22:10.24 | b0nghitter | http://pastebin.org/384035 doesnt work in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:13.16 | maxxou | b0nghitter, http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking#Multiple_IP_Addresses_on_a_Single_NIC |
| 22:13.17 | maxxou | ? |
| 22:14.47 | b0nghitter | yeah but its a diff subnet |
| 22:15.09 | b0nghitter | doesnt that mean anything |
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| 22:44.42 | xtcx | heya all, I'm having a bit of a problem trying to compile a C# applications(simple GTK# app) and well, anything using mono, it throws this error: http://pastebin.com/S3r5eH95 Running Debian Squeeze |
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| 22:48.04 | Vasistha | I am having trouble connecting to a WPA2 network, using wicd 1.6.2.2. I also tried without wicd, just using wpa_supplicant, and also could not connect. I was told, by voice, that the password is "portland" (case not specified -- are passwords case sensitive?) I've tried different case combinations as both "wpa 1/2 passphrase" and "wpa 1/2 preshared key". Any ideas? |
| 22:48.44 | rking | xtcx: Give me a minute. (I've never touched C#, sounds like fun) |
| 22:49.00 | xtcx | rking, Alright |
| 22:49.04 | rking | xtcx: Gimme the source and compilation line (or Makefile) |
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| 22:50.11 | xtcx | rking, http://pastebin.com/eZUxEwAW |
| 22:50.14 | xtcx | gmcs <filename> |
| 22:50.21 | xtcx | it's pretty much any C# |
| 22:50.26 | xtcx | or Mono language even |
| 22:50.55 | rking | xtcx: Well, did you try googling that error message? It seems like MSDN has it covered pretty thoroughly, there must be some similar solution for gmcs. |
| 22:51.22 | xtcx | Yeah, I've tried googling |
| 22:51.27 | xtcx | I also have all of mono installed |
| 22:51.29 | swoody | Vasistha: yes, passwords *are* case sensitive (or at least have been on every machine/network I've ever been on) I would ask that person who gave you the password for clarification on the caps. |
| 22:52.03 | Vasistha | swoody: well, I tried every combination: PORTLAND, portland, Portland. They are not technical people, so there is no way they would do anything other than one of those. |
| 22:52.50 | swoody | Vasistha: have you ever been able to connect to a wireless network with this machine? Is there any way to try connecting with the encryption turned off? |
| 22:52.51 | xtcx | rking, I'm not sure why the issue exists |
| 22:53.13 | Vasistha | swoody: yes, I am presently connected via secure wireless network |
| 22:53.33 | swoody | Vasistha: WEP/WPA/WPA2? |
| 22:54.07 | Vasistha | swoody: presently WEP. Hum, come to think of it I'm not sure whether I have ever gotten a WPA2 connection working |
| 22:54.24 | Vasistha | swoody: it's an atheros chipset |
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| 22:55.04 | swoody | Vasistha: could try selecting a different option in wicd for the wpa encryption. Can you also pastebin the output of: lspci | grep -i network |
| 22:55.14 | rking | xtcx: It all comes down to, "How do I 'Add a reference' using gsmc?" |
| 22:55.32 | xtcx | rking, hmm |
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| 22:55.53 | Vasistha | swoody: I tried both the "passphrase" and "preshared key" options, with all 3 password possibilities |
| 22:56.02 | rking | Sorry, gcms -- Ironically, yesterday I played a lot with gmsc (antenna tuning program) |
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| 22:56.32 | Vasistha | swoody: lspci gives no lines containing "network" but I do have this: 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
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| 22:56.47 | rking | ARgh, gmcs I mean, and I mean it this time. |
| 22:57.00 | simonrvn | ARGH, matey |
| 22:57.23 | swoody | Vasistha: great :) The option I was referring to is in the general settings, called 'WPA Supplicant Driver' |
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| 22:59.48 | rking | xtcx: So your compilation is just: gmcs simple.cs |
| 22:59.53 | Vasistha | swoody: ah, so try something other than wext ... yow. Okay. I will try that next time I am back there. Wish I had a WPA2 network under my own control to play around with. |
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| 23:00.00 | xtcx | rking, yes |
| 23:00.24 | rking | xtcx: OK, I'm going to install mono-gmcs and get this working. |
| 23:00.46 | xtcx | rking, Alright, I think I may have found a solution, going to try it right now |
| 23:01.20 | Vasistha | swoody: do you have any idea what the difference between "passphase" and "preshared key" is, and which one is more likely to work with a password like "Portland"? |
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| 23:02.54 | rking | xtcx: Yeah, I can easily compile a Hello, World with just gmcs foo.cs, and all I installed was mono-gmcs ... so your problem statement was incorrect. =) |
| 23:03.24 | xtcx | rking, I said GUI apps. |
| 23:03.35 | xtcx | Command line apps such as hello world are fine. |
| 23:03.44 | swoody | Vasistha: they are actually pretty similar, and in this case I'm not sure which it would be leaning towards. If this is a private network, I would *guess* it would be a PSK |
| 23:04.26 | Vasistha | swoody: yeah, this is going to be a consumer grade router set up by an amateur to be shared by 4 people in their home |
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| 23:04.29 | rking | [18:49:20] xtcx | it's pretty much any C# |
| 23:04.30 | rking | [18:49:25] xtcx | or Mono language even |
| 23:04.45 | xtcx | rking, I was referring to GUI apps. |
| 23:04.49 | xtcx | as I said before that. |
| 23:04.56 | xtcx | anyways, founs a solution. |
| 23:04.57 | xtcx | *found |
| 23:05.09 | chomwitt_ | in sqeeuze in the default login screen in kdm (kde 4.4.4) should i see a list of the available users (their names or their icons)? |
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| 23:05.20 | swoody | Vasistha: and I'm not finding too much info on this :/ Again, I would go into wicd's settings and try changing the 'WPA Supplicant Driver' and see if that helps with the connection. If not, I would speak again with the admin to verify the password (including caps) just to be sure |
| 23:05.20 | rking | xtcx: No, though you said you were compiling a GUI app, and when I offered to help and asked for the source you were compiling, that was your answer. |
| 23:05.30 | xtcx | rking, I linked it. |
| 23:05.33 | xtcx | kthxbye. |
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| 23:06.08 | Vasistha | swoody: alright, thanks. I feel embarassed having to ask password questions that mac/windoze users wouldn't have to ask, but ... I will. |
| 23:06.14 | rking | OK, actually he did. =) |
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| 23:06.17 | rking | I didn't see it. |
| 23:06.25 | swoody | Vasistha: have you been able to connect with a WPA network before? |
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| 23:06.59 | Vasistha | swoody: I'm not sure... I think I've got a router that I can play around with, though |
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| 23:07.27 | aaasdfasdfas | hi all |
| 23:07.36 | Vasistha | ... dd-wrt |
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| 23:08.50 | aaasdfasdfas | i have a partition that mounts on root |
| 23:08.59 | aaasdfasdfas | but that partition is small.i can't install anything |
| 23:09.18 | aaasdfasdfas | so i'm thinking of umount from that partition and mount on bigger partition |
| 23:09.25 | aaasdfasdfas | but i tried it on debian and it says drive is busy |
| 23:09.27 | aaasdfasdfas | any clue? |
| 23:09.43 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: you're not going to be able to umount the root of a running system. |
| 23:10.01 | aaasdfasdfas | any clue to extend the partition? |
| 23:10.02 | aaasdfasdfas | help |
| 23:10.05 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: you can boot a live cd and do the operation from there. Another option I have used is to move e.g. /usr and /var to another partition |
| 23:11.11 | aaasdfasdfas | hi Vasistha |
| 23:11.16 | aaasdfasdfas | i use gparted live iso |
| 23:11.19 | aaasdfasdfas | i loaded by cd |
| 23:11.21 | aaasdfasdfas | i was in there |
| 23:11.25 | aaasdfasdfas | i did df -h |
| 23:11.37 | aaasdfasdfas | i didn't see the sd1 which mounts debian root there |
| 23:11.41 | aaasdfasdfas | any clue ? |
| 23:11.44 | Vasistha | !tell aaasdfasdfas about enter |
| 23:12.28 | aaasdfasdfas | sry dude |
| 23:12.31 | aaasdfasdfas | lease advise |
| 23:12.35 | aaasdfasdfas | i can't umount with live iso |
| 23:12.36 | Vasistha | facepalm |
| 23:12.50 | aaasdfasdfas | since it doesn't recognize sd1 which is debian image |
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| 23:14.07 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: you say you can't umount it but then you indicate that you don't know where it's mounted. Why don't you pastebin the output of a parameter-less "mount" command |
| 23:15.06 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: also keep in mind that if you have a terminal open with the pwd set inside the mount point, it will refuse to umount, saying the drive is busy |
| 23:15.23 | aaasdfasdfas | hey Vasistha |
| 23:15.32 | aaasdfasdfas | please let me explain |
| 23:15.41 | aaasdfasdfas | i have debian and gparted iso image |
| 23:15.44 | aaasdfasdfas | those two are separted |
| 23:15.54 | Vasistha | why are you saying "hi" again? Are you some kind of annoyance bot? |
| 23:16.00 | aaasdfasdfas | debian i see those drive |
| 23:16.01 | aaasdfasdfas | sry |
| 23:16.17 | aaasdfasdfas | when i boot it with gparted iso image,i didn't see the drive i used to see in debian |
| 23:16.20 | aaasdfasdfas | does it make sense? |
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| 23:17.34 | swoody | Vasistha: also, check your wicd.log and see what output comes after trying to connect to the network. It may help lend insight to this |
| 23:17.42 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: I'm sorry, but you don't answer my questions so I can't help you. |
| 23:17.51 | aaasdfasdfas | what is your queston? |
| 23:17.55 | aaasdfasdfas | ok |
| 23:17.59 | aaasdfasdfas | let me pastebin mount |
| 23:18.00 | aaasdfasdfas | one sec |
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| 23:19.09 | Vasistha | swoody: "wpa_supplicant authentication may have failed." and then later, "Connection Failed: Failed to ping the access point!" |
| 23:19.39 | aaasdfasdfas | Vasistha : pastebin.com/2qcssQ1g |
| 23:19.51 | Vasistha | Here's the wicd log http://paste.debian.net/79751/ |
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| 23:22.13 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: btw, when you load gparted iso image, or whatever it is, then df and mount are not going to show /dev/sda1 at all because it is not going to automatically mount. You would have to manually mount it in order to see it |
| 23:24.21 | aaasdfasdfas | ya Vasistha |
| 23:24.22 | aaasdfasdfas | ye |
| 23:24.32 | aaasdfasdfas | i need to mount it and umount it manually |
| 23:24.41 | aaasdfasdfas | mount it to the debian which is not yet loaded? |
| 23:24.45 | aaasdfasdfas | how could that possible? |
| 23:25.44 | aaasdfasdfas | if we mount sda1 to root ,it will mount to gparted iso image root folder instead of debian .am i right? |
| 23:25.51 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: when you use a bootable cd you're not going to "load" debian. You're just going to mount it on a different mount point, like /mnt/deb-root. Check and make sure it's okay. Then you can mount your other partition and copy your files. If you need to copy the /dev tree then you'll have to do something special |
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| 23:26.23 | swoody | Vasistha: you could try this: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=254 |
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| 23:27.43 | Vasistha | swoody: wow, thanks much. I will try that as well as your other suggestions. |
| 23:27.44 | aaasdfasdfas | let me boot up gparted iso image |
| 23:28.50 | swoody | Vasistha: well, best of luck to you. I'm still a bit stumped by this one, but WPA2 errors have been pretty common, so if that doesn't help, hopefully someone more familiar can help you out :) |
| 23:29.20 | Vasistha | swoody: thanks. Wish I could debug it *while* online, but if I could then I probably wouldn't bother :-) |
| 23:31.08 | bkraptor | ,versions icedove |
| 23:31.09 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; sid: 3.0.5-1; squeeze: 3.0.5-1 |
| 23:31.14 | bkraptor | ,versions iceweasel |
| 23:31.15 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
| 23:31.24 | bkraptor | no progress :/ |
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| 23:32.51 | aaasdfasdfas | hi Vasistha |
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| 23:33.18 | aaasdfasdfas | >> /mnt/deb-root? |
| 23:33.29 | aaasdfasdfas | can you give me more details? |
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| 23:34.59 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 23:36.08 | wfq | what plugin to play the online radio through the browse do you recommend me for iceweasel? I am having problems with gecko-mediaplayer and mozilla-plugin-vlc |
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| 23:37.45 | wfq | I just see a black bar across the windows which should be playing the media file and I can hear nothing (with vlc plugin) |
| 23:37.47 | wfq | any idea? |
| 23:37.55 | wfq | I am using debian squeeze |
| 23:38.04 | Vasistha | !tell aaasdfasdfas about pm |
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| 23:38.29 | aaasdfasdfas | sry due |
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| 23:38.31 | aaasdfasdfas | dude* |
| 23:38.32 | b0nghitter | can i have ia32-libs installed AND a debootstrapped IA32 chroot? |
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| 23:39.16 | b0nghitter | im reading http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id250846 |
| 23:39.39 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: what is your plan? Are you going to move the whole partition to a bigger one? Or just one or two directories? You might also consider using parted to expand the present partition ... not sure if that is possible or not, I would have to look it up. |
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| 23:40.11 | aaasdfasdfas | hi Vasistha |
| 23:40.15 | Vasistha | b0nghitter: ia32?? |
| 23:40.17 | aaasdfasdfas | sry again for saying "hi" |
| 23:40.32 | aaasdfasdfas | i just want to umount the stupid dsa1 which is only 2.8 GB |
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| 23:40.40 | aaasdfasdfas | mount it to 20GB dsa3 |
| 23:40.49 | aaasdfasdfas | i'm on live iso |
| 23:40.52 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: well you also need to move the data. |
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| 23:41.03 | aaasdfasdfas | please advise |
| 23:41.12 | aaasdfasdfas | do you want me to pastebin the mount info? |
| 23:41.15 | aaasdfasdfas | or any suggestoins? |
| 23:41.26 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: no, I already read it. |
| 23:41.58 | aaasdfasdfas | live iso doesn't know debian mount(df -h) stuff |
| 23:42.03 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: "mount" just means assign the partition to a directory. But it will not do you any good to assign a partition THAT HAS NO DATA to a directory (e.g. root) |
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| 23:42.45 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: so if you want to MOVE your mount point from sda1 to sda3 then you need to also move the DATA on sda1 to sda3 |
| 23:42.55 | Vasistha | or, copy, rather |
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| 23:43.10 | aaasdfasdfas | i can copy to new partition with gparted |
| 23:43.19 | aaasdfasdfas | after i copy i need to change fstab? |
| 23:43.25 | aaasdfasdfas | or what else do i need to modify? |
| 23:43.28 | zcat[1] | gparted lets you copy data? |
| 23:43.34 | aaasdfasdfas | yes it does |
| 23:43.45 | wfq | can anyone please tell me if you are able to hear the sound here http://www.cadenaser.com/deportes/audios/larguero-parte-05-06-10/csrcsrpor/20100706csrcsrdep_2/Aes/? |
| 23:44.11 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: yeah, fstab is probably it. Uhm ... oh, and if it is the root partition and /boot is on it then you will need to update grub somehow as well. |
| 23:44.11 | wfq | it seems it is using windows media player and my mozilla-plugin-vlc cannot play it |
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| 23:44.20 | Vasistha | aaasdfasdfas: good luck to you |
| 23:45.14 | aaasdfasdfas | but i didn't see any sda1 on live iso |
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| 23:45.18 | aaasdfasdfas | i need guidance dude |
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| 23:45.36 | inspiron | Build failed: -> task failed (err #1}: {task: regression_test_collector_task } |
| 23:45.36 | zcat[1] | what I usually do; from a live CD rootshell, mkdir source target ; mount /dev/sda1 source ; mount /dev/sda3 target ; cp -a source/* target .. then edit target/etc/fstab as required, and chroot into target to reinstall !grub |
| 23:45.46 | inspiron | anyone else experience similar problems with ns-3 when doing ./waf --regression? |
| 23:46.01 | wfq | anyone can tell me if it is able to play the above url please? |
| 23:47.04 | zcat[1] | wfq: yes.. hear but not understand, I don't speak spanish ;) |
| 23:47.40 | wfq | hahaha, sorry. zcat[1] could you please let me know what plugin you are using and what browser? |
| 23:48.05 | zcat[1] | firefox, and flash |
| 23:48.19 | wfq | but are you on Debian? |
| 23:49.28 | zcat[1] | yes, I'm on debian with all the non-free multimedia, horrible proprietary stuff! |
| 23:49.40 | aaasdfasdfas | i have a partition that mounts on root but that partition is small.i can't install anything so i'm thinking of umount from that partition and mount on bigger partition but i tried it on debian and it says drive is busy |
| 23:49.46 | aaasdfasdfas | advise please |
| 23:49.55 | zcat[1] | and genuinemozillafirefoxnoticeweasel |
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| 23:51.20 | wfq | aaasdfasdfas, you have to set the Debian in another level which I don't remember now and the remount the partitions |
| 23:51.32 | wfq | cant remember at all how I did that in the past |
| 23:51.56 | wfq | at the level Debian is operating right now it won't allow you to do it |
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| 23:53.19 | wfq | another possibility would be to insert a Debian cd, Do a chroot of your original partition and then change the partition points in the corresponding file in etc which I don't remember either |
| 23:53.27 | wfq | sorry I am very rusty... long time |
| 23:53.43 | wfq | don't forget to do mount -a I believe if you use the first option |
| 23:53.44 | aaasdfasdfas | hi wft |
| 23:53.46 | aaasdfasdfas | wftq |
| 23:53.51 | aaasdfasdfas | i google also |
| 23:53.56 | aaasdfasdfas | You should be able to do it by booting to the livecd, gparted cd, or systemrescue cd and then performing the operation. |
| 23:54.03 | aaasdfasdfas | i don't know what operation i need to perform |
| 23:54.06 | aaasdfasdfas | please advise |
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| 23:55.08 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: another option, mount the new partition as say /root/target then copy everything over cp -xa /* /root/target -- then edit /root/target/etc/fstab, etc... but doing it from a live cd is easier |
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| 23:55.12 | king313 | Hi. I have just bought a Asus G51JX computer and I am trying to install a Debian Testing from CD |
| 23:55.31 | king313 | I have reached a point in which the installer says me that no disk have been found and |
| 23:55.38 | king313 | I need to specify the disk controller |
| 23:55.56 | Tramp | wow, aaasdfasdfas - now you get so much information from your crosspostings here and in ##linux - I hope you don't get confused. |
| 23:55.57 | king313 | I am searching datasheets about the PC and I found that it's a SATA disk |
| 23:55.59 | rouslan | When I tried changing the hostname in /etc/hostname, I could not open any apps - there was an error message indicating that a window cannot be opened. |
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| 23:56.13 | king313 | no more... any guess or aproximation to my problem? |
| 23:56.56 | zcat[1] | king313: if you boot into BIOS do you see the drive there? |
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| 23:57.19 | king313 | yes, it's |
| 23:57.31 | king313 | It have a Windows Seven installed before |
| 23:57.36 | zcat[1] | king313: or other indication that the drive is not unplugged, eg did it already have an OS that boots? |
| 23:57.48 | zcat[1] | OK... |
| 23:57.48 | king313 | humf, I remember, now that you've said |
| 23:57.57 | king313 | reading something about the model or mark in the bios |
| 23:58.42 | king313 | ok, pressing ESC at startup said me that the disk is a TOSHIBA MK6465GSX |
| 23:59.13 | zcat[1] | another thing that might help (I usually have to do this to install Windows) is change the drive from SATA to IDE-emulation (NON-RAID, legacy, whatever the BIOS calls it... ) |
| 23:59.16 | aaasdfasdfas | zcat[1] : live cd doesn't know the drive |
| 23:59.18 | king313 | thanks for the tip, gave me the way to found the model zcat[1] :) |
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| 23:59.28 | aaasdfasdfas | i type mount on live cd.it can't find the drive i need to mount |
| 23:59.35 | aaasdfasdfas | also live cd has its own root |
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| 23:59.39 | aaasdfasdfas | right? |
| 23:59.49 | dongs | uh what |
| 23:59.57 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: as root from the live CD what does "fdisk -l" tell you? |
| 23:59.57 | dongs | zcat[1]: what version of windows are you installing |
