| 00:00.28 | dongs | no modern OS needs IDE emulation to install in the last 5 years |
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| 00:00.35 | aaasdfasdfas | one sec zcat[1] |
| 00:00.47 | zcat[1] | dongs: XP, I can never be bothered sorting out a 'drive floppy' to make native SATA work, I just install in legacy IDE mode, install SATA drivers, then switch back to sata mode |
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| 00:01.28 | aaasdfasdfas | fdisk -l tell me /dev/sda1 and dev/sda3 |
| 00:01.33 | zcat[1] | although more often I just tell the person that their computer doesn't support XP and persuade them to give Linux a try. |
| 00:01.35 | aaasdfasdfas | i saw those ya |
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| 00:01.47 | aaasdfasdfas | i can copy stuff from sd1 to sd3 with gparted |
| 00:01.54 | zcat[1] | unless they have some application that really does need windows |
| 00:01.55 | aaasdfasdfas | please advise what i should do after copying? |
| 00:01.56 | dongs | thats a pretty cool trick bro, considering how you cant even do that on XP install. And who the fuck installs XP in 2010? |
| 00:02.33 | zcat[1] | dongs: yes you can because I've done it, and more than once |
| 00:02.55 | zcat[1] | and you'd be surprised how many people still use XP |
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| 00:03.25 | aaasdfasdfas | please advise zcat[1] |
| 00:03.35 | aaasdfasdfas | i know i need to add an entry inside fstab |
| 00:03.37 | neilk | xp has significant advantages |
| 00:03.43 | neilk | as much as it pains me to say it |
| 00:03.44 | aaasdfasdfas | aufs / aufs rw 0 0 |
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| 00:03.53 | aaasdfasdfas | how do i add ds1 and ds3 there? |
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| 00:05.05 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: pastebin your current fstab? Not sure I understand ds1, ds3 ? |
| 00:05.28 | aaasdfasdfas | aufs / aufs rw 0 0 |
| 00:05.38 | aaasdfasdfas | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 00:05.38 | aaasdfasdfas | done |
| 00:05.41 | aaasdfasdfas | only two lines |
| 00:05.42 | zcat[1] | !pastebin |
| 00:05.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
| 00:05.49 | zcat[1] | Ahh, ok |
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| 00:05.55 | aaasdfasdfas | just two lines |
| 00:06.03 | aaasdfasdfas | it's a live iso |
| 00:06.04 | aaasdfasdfas | so.. |
| 00:06.10 | king313 | now I have the model identified but I'm not able to found the related driver :) |
| 00:06.20 | zcat[1] | I mean the fstab from the installed system |
| 00:06.32 | aaasdfasdfas | ok |
| 00:06.36 | aaasdfasdfas | one seec. |
| 00:06.37 | aaasdfasdfas | sec |
| 00:06.40 | aaasdfasdfas | i need to reboot |
| 00:06.42 | komentarze_listy | no alsaconf in debian ? |
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| 00:06.56 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: hang on... |
| 00:06.59 | bzed | !alsaconf |
| 00:06.59 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 00:07.05 | bzed | komentarze_listy: ^ |
| 00:07.27 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: the live system fstab won't contain entries for your hard drive... |
| 00:07.40 | komentarze_listy | :) |
| 00:08.12 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: but that doesn't mean they're not available, just use 'fstab -l' to list them, and 'mount [device] [mountpoint]" to mount them |
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| 00:09.06 | aaasdfasdfas | tell me what should i do in live iso? |
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| 00:09.20 | aaasdfasdfas | just copy the content to new partition and delete old partition? |
| 00:09.20 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: well, what have you done so far? |
| 00:09.30 | aaasdfasdfas | i just copy the partition sd1 to sd3 |
| 00:09.33 | aaasdfasdfas | i just copy the partition sd1 to sd3 |
| 00:09.40 | aaasdfasdfas | sry for double pasting..stpid keyboard |
| 00:10.01 | aaasdfasdfas | i use gparted to copy that |
| 00:10.04 | zcat[1] | sd1 or sda1 ? |
| 00:10.06 | aaasdfasdfas | sd1 has debian root |
| 00:10.09 | aaasdfasdfas | sda1* |
| 00:10.13 | a-atwood | heh. was trying to edit a grub line earlier and my = key stuck. that was fun. |
| 00:10.46 | aaasdfasdfas | hi a-atwood do i need to edit grub line also? zcat[1]? |
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| 00:10.53 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: ok, open a root shell if you haven't already... |
| 00:11.40 | aaasdfasdfas | i open it up |
| 00:12.41 | komentarze_listy | i'm having a strange problem... I boot the kernel, everything works good but a msg appear " Setting Kernel Variables ... error: "net.ipv6.bindv6 only" is unknow ... the system is working. But I would like to know what the msg means and how could i solve the issue |
| 00:12.48 | zcat[1] | mkdir target ; mount /dev/sda3 target ; ls target ... do you see the files you copied? All or /bin, /sbin, /etc. /var and so on... |
| 00:13.02 | demism | hi guys, I'm having trouble getting more modes in X. Right now my res is 1024x768 I'd like to be able to increase this, and the Screen Res only offers 2 other lower ones. I tried running dpkg-reconfigure but no options to setup the resolution. Tried editing my xorg.conf and restarted X but to no avail. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. |
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| 00:14.33 | aaasdfasdfas | one sec zcat[1].. |
| 00:14.34 | aaasdfasdfas | trying.. |
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| 00:15.22 | xiphmont_ | Hm. I let debian update my emacs23--- and now every emacs is popping up 30000 pixels wide and the fringes are half the width of my screen. Anyone seen that recently? |
| 00:15.25 | zcat[1] | komentarze_listy: take a peek in /etc/sysctl.conf and perhaps comment out net.ipv6.bindv6 or figure out what it's supposed to be. If you don't use ipv6 then it's probably nothing important ;) |
| 00:15.48 | rouslan | After rebooting the system (after installing emacs, unison, and editing /etc/hostname), GNOME has greatly changed and I get an error about ACPI not working. |
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| 00:16.10 | rouslan | Everything is ``screwed-up'' |
| 00:16.33 | rouslan | (Squeeze x86) |
| 00:16.53 | zcat[1] | rouslan: perhaps grep /etc/* for otehr references to the old hostname and change them too, I think /etc/hosts is one place it will appear |
| 00:17.18 | zcat[1] | rouslan: and somewhere in /etc/networking |
| 00:17.22 | rouslan | zcat[1]: So you think the change to /etc/hostname has caused this issue? |
| 00:17.34 | rouslan | zcat[1]: Because I could not open any GUI apps after changing /etc/hostname |
| 00:17.37 | komentarze_listy | zcat[1]: every line in sysctl is set with # ... that is strange, with my previous kernel i did not had the issue |
| 00:17.42 | zcat[1] | rouslan: It sounds similar to issues I've had changing the hostname in ubuntu |
| 00:18.36 | rouslan | zcat[1]: I changed it back and rebooted, but this issue persists. |
| 00:19.04 | zcat[1] | rouslan: check /var/log/messages for clues... |
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| 00:19.58 | xiphmont_ | Ah, I see. Emacs can suddenly no longer parse or use corefonts. Damnit. |
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| 00:20.38 | rouslan | zcat[1]: I cannot find anything |
| 00:20.45 | komentarze_listy | zcat[1]: solved... thanks :) |
| 00:20.46 | xiphmont_ | "fixed" is returning some monstrosity causing it to request a window as wide as the X server will give it. |
| 00:21.34 | xiphmont_ | Oh, but out of nowhere '6x13' works again. |
| 00:21.38 | zcat[1] | rouslan: Sorry, just found /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
| 00:22.12 | xiphmont_ | Jesus, can't people stop freaking flipping this back and forth three times a month? Every freaking time I update, I have to hunt around to find what the fonts I've been using for years are named now. Sigh. |
| 00:22.20 | rouslan | zcat[1]: ? |
| 00:22.47 | dongs | wait. oggvorbis guy is complaining about opensauce? |
| 00:22.54 | xiphmont_ | oh yeah. |
| 00:22.57 | zcat[1] | rouslan: Sorry, getting coufused about who I'm answering |
| 00:23.02 | rouslan | That's ok. |
| 00:23.06 | dongs | i think i need a screenshot of that. |
| 00:23.08 | zcat[1] | komentarze_listy: /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
| 00:23.13 | xiphmont_ | [for one thing, complaining gets things to happen ;-] |
| 00:23.19 | rouslan | Any ideas about my GNOME/ACPI issue? |
| 00:23.31 | rouslan | As I said before, I have reverted the change to /etc/hostname. |
| 00:24.35 | zcat[1] | open sauce |
| 00:24.59 | rouslan | ? |
| 00:25.05 | dongs | rouslan: i may offer you a bit of history. Intel invented/started ACPI spec around ~97. For the Linux side, Intel assigned several paid engineers to do ACPI4Linux project since around '99 or '2k. In 1998 Q3, microsoft released Windows 98SE with *FULL* support for ACPI including suspend, hibernate etc. In 2010, after a decade of several PAID ENGINEERS working on ACPI in Linux, it still doesnt fuckign work properly. awesome isnt it. |
| 00:25.26 | xiphmont_ | At a guess, some quad-wide international font got named some variant of fixed, and Emacs uses the max possible glyph width for spacing. |
| 00:25.33 | zcat[1] | Sorry, was seeing if there's any nice 'open sauca' demotivational posters ... google search went to the wrong window |
| 00:26.28 | king313 | humf, I have been searching for a while and I don't found the controller for the TOSHIBA MK6465GSX hard drives |
| 00:26.38 | dongs | .. controller? |
| 00:26.47 | dongs | why would you even care. |
| 00:26.52 | rouslan | dongs: Do you think it was caused by the change to /etc/hostname? |
| 00:27.08 | king313 | dongs, this is what the debian testing installer ask me |
| 00:27.12 | king313 | to continue the process |
| 00:27.16 | dongs | king313: uh what. |
| 00:27.26 | rouslan | dongs: Because when I changed /etc/hostname, I could not open GUI apps (screen not found); subsequently I rebooted (someone told me to...) |
| 00:27.35 | king313 | it gives me a list of posible controles |
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| 00:27.58 | dongs | Toshiba MK6465GSX 640GB review £109 Toshiba's 640GB internal laptop hard disk is slow at copying files and a touch too expensive. |
| 00:28.01 | king313 | and ask me to select one if I know the controller that is needed by disk unit |
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| 00:28.22 | king313 | dongs, is what my PC comes with |
| 00:28.37 | king313 | I have selected it by the i7 proc |
| 00:28.55 | dongs | its > 60gb, so its likely sata. seeing how its toshiba, is that in a toshiba laptop? if toshiba laptop you either have choice of regular intel sata or you got the dumb toshiba fakeraid controller that isnt supported. |
| 00:28.57 | nsadmin | king313, do you think this list is the list of controllers you have? or the list of drivers for your controllers? |
| 00:28.57 | xiphmont_ | oy, OK, all xterms also have some fucked up monster font now. |
| 00:28.59 | king313 | but the HD is the HD selected by the manufactured |
| 00:29.06 | king313 | Is a ASUS laptop |
| 00:29.08 | dongs | if not toshiba laptop - regular intel sata. |
| 00:29.11 | zcat[1] | king313: probably more useful to know the motherboard / chipset |
| 00:29.11 | dongs | k so we're done. |
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| 00:29.36 | king313 | I'm running the instalation in spanish, so I am going to translate what the installer says |
| 00:29.37 | dongs | zcat[1]: i7 laptop hello. thankfully intel dosnt allow all those retarded VIA & friends clone makers to touch i7 motherboards. |
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| 00:29.59 | dongs | can you imagine a i7 board with VIA or SIS chipset? lewl. |
| 00:30.02 | nsadmin | I thought via was for amd anyway |
| 00:30.18 | king313 | "They have been not detected any disk unit. You can select the controller of the list if you know the name of the one which is needed by your disk unit. |
| 00:30.19 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: They have made both. |
| 00:30.19 | dongs | nsadmin: they used to do both, just as shittily. |
| 00:30.35 | king313 | Controllers needed by your disk unit: |
| 00:30.38 | king313 | " |
| 00:30.45 | dongs | king313: sata, ahci. |
| 00:30.52 | zcat[1] | king313: that would be the motherboard controller, I think... |
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| 00:31.05 | king313 | and it start a list. with the first option is "continue without disk unit" |
| 00:31.11 | king313 | and the second is 3w.9xxx |
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| 00:31.33 | dongs | continue withotu disk unit of course |
| 00:31.43 | king313 | (and it's a sata disk) |
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| 00:31.55 | nsadmin | is it possible to build up a laptop from the shell and mobo, picking network, usb controllers, maybe even scsi? |
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| 00:32.25 | zcat[1] | king313: what was the laptop model? |
| 00:32.25 | king313 | nsadmin, are you searching for something like LFS? |
| 00:32.25 | dongs | yes scsi in 2010 |
| 00:32.28 | dongs | awesome choice. |
| 00:32.33 | king313 | zcat[1], ASUS G51JX |
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| 00:33.24 | dongs | my question is why the hell are you installing lunix on a "Gaymer laptop". I mean, it's going to support 1 out of 10 peripherals on it if you'er lucky. |
| 00:33.35 | dongs | go find some 486 in the trash and install until you drop. |
| 00:33.39 | xiphmont_ | Ahhhh.... something shot my locale in the head. |
| 00:33.45 | xiphmont_ | And setlocale is... gone. Huh. |
| 00:33.52 | rouslan | zcat[1], dongs: Any ideas? |
| 00:34.05 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 00:34.05 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 00:34.30 | zcat[1] | rouslan: what does /var/log/messages complain about? |
| 00:34.36 | king313 | dongs, continue without hd and get other device aren't suitable answer |
| 00:34.50 | king313 | I have bought this computer because it suits me |
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| 00:35.25 | king313 | It isn't for games, but I need the process and dynamic memory that it have |
| 00:35.32 | rouslan | zcat[1]: I cannot find any errors there. |
| 00:35.33 | zcat[1] | king313: get into BIOS and see if you can change how the SATA chipset presents itself to the OS, option may be called 'legacy' or something similar... |
| 00:35.38 | nsadmin | king313: the harsh reality is... either you will be able to use linux on that machine or not. did you check HCLs before you bought hardware? |
| 00:35.46 | king313 | Now, all I need is to make it run whith the SO that I like: Debian |
| 00:35.52 | rouslan | zcat[1]: I'll copy the exact error that appears on the GUI window. |
| 00:35.55 | dongs | king313: perhaps switch to a more modern OS that understand what is sata/ahci. |
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| 00:36.22 | king313 | zcat[1], checking it.. |
| 00:37.04 | demism | are there any tools that help me setup X, that ask me modes, depth etc...? |
| 00:37.54 | a94060 | there is an xconfig command from what i knwo |
| 00:37.59 | zcat[1] | demism: Xorg -configure |
| 00:38.00 | nsadmin | have you already built your own custom mode lines? |
| 00:38.25 | zcat[1] | demism: will generate a 'standard' config which you can then tweak |
| 00:38.43 | king313 | it only enables me to change the boot order |
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| 00:39.14 | demism | zcat[1]: the config just seems to be using debconf, and dexconf so it just says: "Configured Monitor" |
| 00:39.14 | zcat[1] | king313: very odd. |
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| 00:39.26 | rouslan | zcat[1]: Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running. |
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| 00:40.04 | zcat[1] | rouslan: so is it? |
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| 00:40.45 | nsadmin | demism: you can change the names by editing the text file, but make sure you change them everywhere they appear |
| 00:40.47 | rouslan | kacpid, /usr/sbin/acpid is running |
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| 00:41.03 | Sazpaimon | I want to copy the directories in a folder to a new folder, but not their contents, no subdirectories either, just the top level directories, and keep their permissions |
| 00:41.38 | zcat[1] | Sazpaimon: find . -type d -exec mkdir /new/part/{} \; |
| 00:41.49 | nsadmin | Sazpaimon: that's custom work... you could just do it or write a script |
| 00:41.55 | zcat[1] | sorry /new/path I meant |
| 00:41.58 | rouslan | zcat[1]: ^ |
| 00:42.23 | nsadmin | zcat: he also wants just top level |
| 00:42.34 | zcat[1] | -maxdepth 1 |
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| 00:42.40 | nsadmin | yeah :) |
| 00:43.11 | zcat[1] | something like tha anyhow.. untested |
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| 00:43.27 | king313 | it looks like ubuntu recognizes the devices, I am wondering if I can copy anything of the configuration and use it to be able to install a Debian |
| 00:45.30 | zcat[1] | king313: do a debian testing install on a 'spare' machine, tar it up then untar to the lappy using an ubuntu live CD (if it recognises the drive) .. fix up !grub2 and see if it boots. |
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| 00:46.19 | king313 | !grub2 ? |
| 00:46.19 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x). In development, little documentation at present. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html . Command list comparison: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition . #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:46.26 | king313 | oh, it's a bot command |
| 00:47.26 | rouslan | zcat[1]: Could the change to /etc/hostname have caused it? |
| 00:47.30 | zcat[1] | yes, I was hoping the bot had instructions to reconfigure and reinstall grub2 using the live CD but it seems only for !grub |
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| 00:47.39 | rouslan | zcat[1]: Or is it attributed to an incompatible package? |
| 00:47.52 | zcat[1] | rouslan: probably; but changing hte hostname back should have made the problem go away again.. |
| 00:47.53 | Vorbote | king313: have you tried installing testing? The kernel handles AHCI just fine. |
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| 00:48.02 | dongs | or you can jsut use Lilo since it just works.. |
| 00:48.28 | zcat[1] | grub2 isn't that hard... |
| 00:48.29 | rouslan | Any ideas about: Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running. |
| 00:48.52 | zcat[1] | BTW I have also reinstalled grub2 on a debian system using an ubuntu live CD.... it works exactly the same |
| 00:49.02 | dongs | rouslan: are you having trouble parsing english? Do what it says. |
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| 00:49.30 | zcat[1] | king313: are you installing testing or stable? |
| 00:49.37 | rouslan | dongs: It *is* running! |
| 00:50.06 | rouslan | dongs: GNOME is completely screwed up. |
| 00:51.05 | rouslan | So what am I supposed to do now? |
| 00:51.19 | king313 | zcat[1], testing |
| 00:51.32 | n1c0 | rouslan: use framebuffered console with decoration |
| 00:51.44 | rouslan | Never mind, forget it. |
| 00:51.52 | aaasdfasdfas | hi zcat[1] you here? |
| 00:52.01 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: no, I left ages ago |
| 00:52.06 | aaasdfasdfas | sry sry.. |
| 00:52.16 | aaasdfasdfas | i takes me 1 hour to copy stuff.almost done.. |
| 00:52.23 | aaasdfasdfas | what does zcat stand for? |
| 00:52.28 | aaasdfasdfas | zebra cat? |
| 00:52.34 | n1c0 | zcmd |
| 00:52.38 | zcat[1] | !zcat |
| 00:52.45 | aaasdfasdfas | !zcat |
| 00:52.50 | zcat[1] | wot, no factoid? |
| 00:53.00 | n1c0 | zgrep, zmore... |
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| 00:53.10 | king313 | i am formatting the disk |
| 00:53.12 | zcat[1] | zless ... |
| 00:53.13 | king313 | and clearing partitions |
| 00:53.17 | king313 | to see what happens |
| 00:53.19 | zcat[1] | zcat stands for gzip -dc |
| 00:53.22 | rouslan | thought that TESTING would be somewhat stable |
| 00:54.22 | hideo | you thought wrong |
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| 00:55.43 | rouslan | ``If you want to install Debian Squeeze (recommended)...'' - that's a terrible recommendation |
| 00:55.50 | rouslan | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 00:56.27 | zcat[1] | well, at least it's not sid |
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| 00:58.22 | zcat[1] | Hmmm.. 59.6 M of updates... I wonder what will get broken today. |
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| 01:03.09 | aaasdfasdfas | zcat[1] |
| 01:03.13 | aaasdfasdfas | i saw those file copy |
| 01:03.19 | aaasdfasdfas | i mount sda3 |
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| 01:03.21 | aaasdfasdfas | awesome. |
| 01:03.22 | aaasdfasdfas | next ? |
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| 01:03.48 | terr_ | Somehow I have managed to magnify one of my monitors. Is there some way to switchj it back to normal? |
| 01:04.00 | terr_ | ITs probably 2x the text size |
| 01:04.14 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: edit target/etc/fstab and change /dev/sda1 to /dev/sda3 |
| 01:05.07 | zcat[1] | or if it uses UUID "ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ -lh" will show you the UUID's of all the available partitions |
| 01:05.19 | aaasdfasdfas | i can't find /etc inside target :( |
| 01:05.50 | zcat[1] | what do you see from "ls target" ? |
| 01:06.04 | aaasdfasdfas | apps/ |
| 01:06.10 | aaasdfasdfas | aquota.user |
| 01:06.11 | aaasdfasdfas | home |
| 01:06.25 | aaasdfasdfas | opt / www/ lost+found/home |
| 01:06.53 | zcat[1] | can you pastebin ? also pastebin "fdisk -l" |
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| 01:07.29 | aaasdfasdfas | yes |
| 01:07.35 | aaasdfasdfas | i check the /dev/sda1 |
| 01:07.43 | aaasdfasdfas | lots of files don't get copied to sda3 |
| 01:07.45 | aaasdfasdfas | with gparted |
| 01:08.16 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: ok, do this: mkdir source ; mount /dev/sda1 source |
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| 01:08.26 | aaasdfasdfas | i did that |
| 01:08.30 | mrhatter | I am trying to update an etch system before i upgrade it to lenny, but the aptitude update is saying :Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 01:08.34 | aaasdfasdfas | i saw files which are missing in dev03 |
| 01:08.48 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: cp -a source/* target |
| 01:09.15 | qq- | mrhatter, /msg dpkg etch |
| 01:09.15 | aaasdfasdfas | doing it now |
| 01:11.09 | aaasdfasdfas | i found it. it's space issue |
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| 01:11.50 | aaasdfasdfas | let me try one more thing.. |
| 01:11.53 | aaasdfasdfas | brb in 15 mins.. |
| 01:12.02 | mrhatter | qq-, gr8, thx |
| 01:12.20 | qq- | np |
| 01:12.26 | un214 | so what's the reason for banning people running irc client as root? |
| 01:12.36 | aaasdfasdfas | expanding disk..brb |
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| 01:14.15 | Jhiaxuss | hi im tryign to see if i encrypted my linux partition will it ask for a password when i boot up the system |
| 01:15.02 | Jhiaxuss | anyone have an encrypted partition |
| 01:15.30 | mrhatter | why does aptitude sometimes say 'the following packages have been kept back' ? |
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| 01:15.56 | un214 | isn't that for dependency issues for pinned packages or packages for which no newer version is availabe |
| 01:17.40 | brah | I was trying to make a shortcut to a pdf file hosted on another machine using samba. |
| 01:17.45 | brah | Didn't find any easy way. |
| 01:17.52 | brah | Is there any.. definitive way to it? |
| 01:18.08 | npoektop | hi! i have a laptop with debian connected to public wifi point with static ip. I can use inet through gateway only with this ip. How to setup proxy for another laptop so i could use inet on both? |
| 01:18.23 | brah | First I got operation not supported, installed gvfs and then started getting 'location is not mounted' |
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| 01:19.35 | un214 | so, how does that "banning people who run as root" thing work? |
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| 01:22.12 | internat | usermask |
| 01:22.27 | internat | your default ident when root is root |
| 01:24.11 | un214 | ah |
| 01:24.38 | un214 | I find it rather obnoxious because when the system is broken becoming nonroot is a pain |
| 01:26.09 | un214 | first time around I had to ask on debian-devel why I was banned |
| 01:27.03 | terr_ | I'm running a KDE desktop. Somehow one of my monitors has become magnified. I don't know how this happened. I'd like to switch it back to normal. How? The text is at least 2x what it should be |
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| 01:28.01 | aaasdfasdfas | zcat[1] give me like 15 more minutes.almost done with copying |
| 01:28.02 | aaasdfasdfas | you here? |
| 01:28.44 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: how can you run out of space copying your small root to a larger partition? |
| 01:29.54 | un214 | zcat[1]: easy: didn't specify -xdev |
| 01:30.26 | zcat[1] | un214: using gparted from a live CD |
| 01:30.47 | aaasdfasdfas | i didn't expand the large partition...it's unallocated so i enlarge it |
| 01:31.06 | aaasdfasdfas | it takes 0.5 hr.so slow |
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| 01:31.32 | toadux | I read a post recently that said converting ext2 to ext3 on Debian is as easy as changing the type to ext3 in fstab and rebooting. Supposedly the initrd scripts will automatically convert it. Anyone know if that's true? |
| 01:31.34 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: I think you're making a simple job much harder than it needs to be |
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| 01:32.10 | zcat[1] | toadux: tune2fs -j /dev/whatever -- only difference between e2 and e3 is the journal |
| 01:32.37 | zcat[1] | toadux: I don't think anything in debian will do it for you automatically though |
| 01:32.37 | aaasdfasdfas | no zcat[1] |
| 01:32.50 | aaasdfasdfas | there is different format partition between sd1 and sd3 |
| 01:33.08 | aaasdfasdfas | so i can expand sd1..please be patient..almost done.. |
| 01:33.17 | aaasdfasdfas | sry for wasting your precious time..:( |
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| 01:34.17 | zcat[1] | aaasdfasdfas: would be faster to delete old sda3, make a new one in gparted the size and FS you want, mount it from terminal, then cp -a source/* target |
| 01:34.33 | king313 | I'm going to continue with the search tomorrow |
| 01:34.46 | toadux | zcat[1]: the man page for tune2fs also eludes to this, but says I have to be using an initial ramdisk. How can I tell? |
| 01:34.49 | king313 | Thanks for the help. |
| 01:34.56 | zcat[1] | anyhow, I have other things I need to get on with so I shall leave soon |
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| 01:35.25 | un214 | zcat[1]: not using (cd /old && find . -xdev | cpio -p /new)? sacrilege |
| 01:35.28 | zcat[1] | toadux: the page for tune2fs is out of date. You're using a ramdisk with ext3 support.. probably ext4 too if you're running testing |
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| 01:36.32 | aaasdfasdfas | hey zcat[1] |
| 01:36.35 | aaasdfasdfas | it's done |
| 01:36.38 | aaasdfasdfas | please instruct |
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| 01:36.45 | aaasdfasdfas | i have /etc now |
| 01:36.47 | aaasdfasdfas | you here? |
| 01:37.36 | zcat[1] | I have to go sorry, otheres here will know what to do |
| 01:37.51 | aaasdfasdfas | will you be here tmr? |
| 01:38.03 | aaasdfasdfas | can you briefly tell me what to edit? |
| 01:38.06 | aaasdfasdfas | only if you have time |
| 01:38.22 | toadux | zcat[1]: I'm running lenny. I didn't think it would be that easy. The partition needs to be unmounted, right? |
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| 01:38.48 | un214 | oh yes, nothing like ssh over dns when they get really paranoid |
| 01:39.01 | aaasdfasdfas | he is gone |
| 01:39.28 | toadux | ahhh yes - just noticed that |
| 01:39.39 | aaasdfasdfas | i have a partition that mounts on root but that partition is small.i can't install anything so i'm thinking of umount from that partition and mount on bigger partition but i tried it on debian and it says drive is busy |
| 01:39.42 | aaasdfasdfas | any guy help? |
| 01:40.01 | aaasdfasdfas | how do i unmount boot partition in live cd and mount boot directory to large partition? |
| 01:40.06 | aaasdfasdfas | toadux any clue? |
| 01:40.18 | rouslan | I don't understand this at all: http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2009/04/msg00030.html |
| 01:40.33 | rouslan | Where is config/chroot_sources/.... located? |
| 01:40.39 | skrewler | is there an equiv on debian to fpaste? |
| 01:41.19 | aaasdfasdfas | any expert? |
| 01:42.24 | rouslan | Any ideas on how I should install 2.6.29 backport? http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2009/04/msg00030.html does not make any sense. |
| 01:42.56 | toadux | aaasdfasdfas: You need to boot in rescue mode (or something similar - never used debian live cd) |
| 01:43.39 | aaasdfasdfas | hi toadux |
| 01:43.44 | aaasdfasdfas | i am already on live cd |
| 01:44.14 | aaasdfasdfas | any commands to umount sd1 partition? |
| 01:44.17 | aaasdfasdfas | any clue guys? |
| 01:45.00 | toadux | aaasdfasdfas: zcat mentioned using gparted and that's a good idea. You boot with that and resize your partition that way. |
| 01:45.38 | aaasdfasdfas | i did use gparted |
| 01:45.47 | aaasdfasdfas | i copy sd01 stuff to sd03(big partition) |
| 01:45.51 | aaasdfasdfas | next what should i do? |
| 01:45.56 | aaasdfasdfas | he just left me there :( |
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| 01:46.43 | aaasdfasdfas | toadux help |
| 01:46.49 | rouslan | How do I upgrade to 2.6.29 in lenny? |
| 01:46.49 | toadux | you probably should have resized sd01 instead. |
| 01:47.06 | aaasdfasdfas | i want to shift to sd03 |
| 01:47.07 | aaasdfasdfas | help |
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| 01:48.15 | macrobat | ,kernels |
| 01:48.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 01:49.28 | aaasdfasdfas | macrobat? |
| 01:50.16 | toadux | aaasdfasdfas: you can move and resize partitions with gparted. if sd01 is your root partition and you want it bigger, resize and or move other partitions and then make sd01 bigger. |
| 01:50.42 | aaasdfasdfas | can i do it other way around? |
| 01:50.50 | aaasdfasdfas | i can't resize one partition is between |
| 01:50.58 | aaasdfasdfas | that partition is using diff file system |
| 01:51.00 | aaasdfasdfas | help dude |
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| 01:51.36 | toadux | what os and file system is the other partition? |
| 01:51.46 | aaasdfasdfas | ext2 |
| 01:51.54 | aaasdfasdfas | any help dude? |
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| 01:52.53 | toadux | then it doesn't matter - gparted will update it. just move it or shrink it. |
| 01:53.41 | aaasdfasdfas | can't move cna't merge dude |
| 01:54.12 | toadux | sorry can't help then |
| 01:54.30 | aaasdfasdfas | anyone / judd |
| 01:54.32 | aaasdfasdfas | any guys?? |
| 01:56.01 | mmnicolas | what do you want to do again ? |
| 01:56.19 | mmnicolas | i can't scroll that up |
| 01:56.40 | aaasdfasdfas | hi mmnicolas |
| 01:56.41 | aaasdfasdfas | help with shifting partition one content to partition two |
| 01:57.07 | aaasdfasdfas | i have a partition that mounts on root but that partition is small.i can't install anything so i'm thinking of umount from that partition and mount on bigger partition but i tried it on debian and it says drive is busy..how do i unmount boot partition in live cd and mount boot directory to large partition? |
| 01:57.36 | aaasdfasdfas | http://fixunix.com/setup/18898-how-copy-root-partition.html bascially copying root partition |
| 01:57.44 | mmnicolas | yea |
| 01:57.50 | mmnicolas | shouldnt be a problem |
| 01:58.22 | mmnicolas | you're running on a live cd right now ? |
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| 02:00.34 | mmnicolas | just cp the content from one to another |
| 02:00.49 | aaasdfasdfas | yes |
| 02:00.52 | aaasdfasdfas | i'm running live cd now |
| 02:00.55 | aaasdfasdfas | i did copy now |
| 02:01.06 | aaasdfasdfas | when i load the original debian,it doesn't know to load from new folder |
| 02:01.08 | aaasdfasdfas | help :( |
| 02:01.33 | mmnicolas | do you know if youre using grub2 or the legacy grub? |
| 02:02.26 | aaasdfasdfas | anyway to check? |
| 02:02.32 | aaasdfasdfas | someone told me to change grub |
| 02:02.37 | aaasdfasdfas | also told me to change fstab |
| 02:02.42 | aaasdfasdfas | in the live cd |
| 02:02.45 | aaasdfasdfas | i have no clu |
| 02:02.49 | mmnicolas | yea you should do both |
| 02:03.01 | aaasdfasdfas | what should i add in the fstab? |
| 02:03.11 | aaasdfasdfas | what path should i add? |
| 02:03.35 | mmnicolas | ok do you have a file /boot/grub/menu.lst on the partition where you cp'd the root |
| 02:04.20 | aaasdfasdfas | one sec. |
| 02:04.23 | aaasdfasdfas | checking that file |
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| 02:07.19 | aaasdfasdfas | i found menu.lst file |
| 02:07.19 | aaasdfasdfas | yes |
| 02:08.13 | aaasdfasdfas | mmnicolas : i found that file |
| 02:08.17 | mmnicolas | ok thats mean its the old grub, you're using lenny right ? |
| 02:08.24 | aaasdfasdfas | linux debian 5.0 |
| 02:08.25 | aaasdfasdfas | yes |
| 02:09.33 | mmnicolas | do you know what is the device name of the partition you copied your root onto ? |
| 02:09.39 | mmnicolas | like /dev/sda1 |
| 02:10.21 | aaasdfasdfas | bingo |
| 02:10.24 | aaasdfasdfas | you got that |
| 02:10.31 | aaasdfasdfas | sda1 has root |
| 02:10.46 | aaasdfasdfas | i copy same content from sda1 to new partition(large) sda3 |
| 02:10.50 | aaasdfasdfas | now i get stuck |
| 02:10.50 | mmnicolas | go edit /etc/fstab and replace the whole "UUID=blablabla" part for your new device name |
| 02:11.26 | mmnicolas | so that i looks like this: /dev/sda3 / defaults 0 0 |
| 02:11.51 | mmnicolas | you do this on the fstab of the new large partition |
| 02:12.17 | aaasdfasdfas | i found only 2 lines : aufs / aufs rw 0 0 |
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| 02:12.27 | aaasdfasdfas | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 02:12.59 | aaasdfasdfas | my bad |
| 02:13.00 | mmnicolas | no, this is the fstab of the livecd |
| 02:13.03 | aaasdfasdfas | i looked at wrong fstab |
| 02:13.07 | aaasdfasdfas | i found /dev/sda1 |
| 02:13.19 | aaasdfasdfas | is pointing to root at this point |
| 02:13.44 | mmnicolas | yea |
| 02:13.50 | aaasdfasdfas | i don't see UUID |
| 02:13.56 | mmnicolas | ok thats fine |
| 02:14.04 | mmnicolas | just replace it for sda3 |
| 02:14.10 | aaasdfasdfas | ok |
| 02:14.11 | aaasdfasdfas | next? |
| 02:14.18 | mmnicolas | sda3 is the new partition right ? |
| 02:14.29 | aaasdfasdfas | yes. |
| 02:14.35 | aaasdfasdfas | should i delete sda1 content? |
| 02:14.36 | mmnicolas | and this is the fstab on sda3 ? |
| 02:14.39 | aaasdfasdfas | yes |
| 02:14.49 | aaasdfasdfas | since i copy same thing of sda1 to sda3 |
| 02:14.50 | aaasdfasdfas | yes |
| 02:14.54 | mmnicolas | its not necessary for now |
| 02:15.00 | aaasdfasdfas | ok |
| 02:15.02 | aaasdfasdfas | next? |
| 02:15.08 | mmnicolas | just replace sda1 for sda3 save and exit |
| 02:15.15 | mmnicolas | next you will have to boot on it |
| 02:15.35 | mmnicolas | reboot, then at the grub boot menu hit "e" to edit the boot line |
| 02:15.35 | aaasdfasdfas | i just restart the virtual machine of debian? |
| 02:15.54 | aaasdfasdfas | grub boot menu? one sec googling |
| 02:15.55 | mmnicolas | ...a virtual machine |
| 02:16.34 | aaasdfasdfas | ya |
| 02:17.00 | mmnicolas | ok, you should see a grub menu when you boot |
| 02:17.20 | aaasdfasdfas | the menu we see when we restart it by pressing f2? |
| 02:17.28 | mmnicolas | no |
| 02:17.45 | mmnicolas | the menu you should see naturally for at least 2 seconds |
| 02:17.59 | aaasdfasdfas | yes.it lets me choose operating system |
| 02:18.04 | aaasdfasdfas | that menu? |
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| 02:18.10 | mmnicolas | yea |
| 02:18.18 | aaasdfasdfas | press e at that time? |
| 02:18.24 | aaasdfasdfas | one sec..rebooting.. |
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| 02:25.03 | aaasdfasdfas | seriously people in #linux channel is overreacted |
| 02:25.06 | aaasdfasdfas | you guys are nice man |
| 02:25.26 | hideo | we ain't nice, get off my porch |
| 02:25.44 | hideo | get a jerb |
| 02:26.17 | aaasdfasdfas | ha |
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| 02:27.53 | mmnicolas | hehe |
| 02:28.11 | mmnicolas | why is it taking so long to reboot your vm ? |
| 02:28.31 | aaasdfasdfas | vmware crashed. |
| 02:28.36 | aaasdfasdfas | almost done.. |
| 02:28.42 | aaasdfasdfas | please give me at leaset 5 mins |
| 02:28.52 | mmnicolas | wow |
| 02:29.07 | aaasdfasdfas | some stupid errors.i just google and fixed those |
| 02:29.25 | mmnicolas | youre running windows right ? |
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| 02:30.36 | aaasdfasdfas | i am running windows |
| 02:30.47 | aaasdfasdfas | MS sucks. i want to change to linux when i was buying my computer |
| 02:30.47 | mmnicolas | ill give you the time it takes to finish my joint, after that, mw2 time |
| 02:31.06 | aaasdfasdfas | mw2? |
| 02:31.15 | mmnicolas | modern warfare 2 |
| 02:31.18 | aaasdfasdfas | game? |
| 02:31.25 | mmnicolas | yes |
| 02:31.36 | aaasdfasdfas | thanks.i will let you know when i'm done.. |
| 02:31.41 | aaasdfasdfas | thanks for waiting |
| 02:32.21 | mmnicolas | you know what a joint is right ? |
| 02:32.35 | aaasdfasdfas | no clue |
| 02:32.36 | aaasdfasdfas | what is it? |
| 02:32.43 | lost_soul | lol |
| 02:32.46 | aaasdfasdfas | never played big game in my lift |
| 02:32.48 | aaasdfasdfas | life* |
| 02:32.51 | lost_soul | puff, puff paa |
| 02:32.57 | lost_soul | pass to |
| 02:32.59 | mei | Oh god... |
| 02:33.45 | mei | No words... |
| 02:33.46 | mmnicolas | aaasdfasdfas: its a handrolled cigarette filled with pot |
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| 02:34.13 | aaasdfasdfas | is it legal here though? |
| 02:34.21 | mmnicolas | here, you mean on irc ? |
| 02:34.24 | terr_ | I'm running a KDE desktop. Somehow one of my monitors has become magnified. I don't know how this happened. I'd like to switch it back to normal. How? The text is at least 2x what it should be |
| 02:34.53 | aaasdfasdfas | in US |
| 02:35.23 | mmnicolas | i believe in some places it is but only for medical purposes |
| 02:35.34 | aaasdfasdfas | http://uleven.com/weirdest-plants-collection/ << very weird plants every |
| 02:35.36 | aaasdfasdfas | ever* |
| 02:35.38 | aaasdfasdfas | check it out |
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| 02:36.15 | mmnicolas | terr_: most likely a resolution issue, you still see the borders or the screen ? |
| 02:36.25 | mei | Is this a discussion which will end in explaining the most essential pieces of life? |
| 02:37.11 | mmnicolas | mei: ? |
| 02:37.22 | mei | mmnicolas: Nevermind! |
| 02:38.05 | mmnicolas | sure |
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| 02:44.34 | aaasdfasdfas | mmnicolas |
| 02:44.34 | aaasdfasdfas | done |
| 02:45.05 | aaasdfasdfas | hope you havne't finished you rjoint yet |
| 02:45.52 | aaasdfasdfas | am i late again? |
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| 02:46.12 | aaasdfasdfas | :'( |
| 02:47.10 | mmnicolas | yea ok |
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| 02:47.19 | aaasdfasdfas | i saw root(hd0,0) |
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| 02:47.46 | mmnicolas | yea you change that for 0,2 |
| 02:47.57 | mmnicolas | and in the next line |
| 02:48.04 | mmnicolas | change sda1 for sda3 |
| 02:48.10 | mmnicolas | or replace the UUID= |
| 02:48.38 | aaasdfasdfas | i did replace kernal /dev/sda3 |
| 02:48.53 | aaasdfasdfas | next? |
| 02:48.58 | zcat[1] | wtf just use update-grub in a chroot? |
| 02:48.59 | aaasdfasdfas | i change d root(hd0,2) |
| 02:49.02 | aaasdfasdfas | next? |
| 02:49.24 | aaasdfasdfas | how zcat[1]? |
| 02:49.26 | zcat[1] | it does all this shit for you automagically |
| 02:49.33 | aaasdfasdfas | where? |
| 02:49.48 | aaasdfasdfas | i deleted the old /dev/sda1 stuff |
| 02:50.16 | aaasdfasdfas | mmnicolas please keep going |
| 02:50.22 | mmnicolas | doesnt matter your too deep in it |
| 02:50.36 | mmnicolas | thats it, press b to boot |
| 02:50.38 | zcat[1] | boot live CD, mount /dev/sda3 (or whatever) as target again.. |
| 02:50.54 | zcat[1] | NM, just keep doing what mmnicolas says. |
| 02:51.07 | aaasdfasdfas | please give your ideas zcat[1] |
| 02:51.16 | aaasdfasdfas | i tried his way . i want to know your way also |
| 02:51.26 | aaasdfasdfas | may i know why hd(0,2)? |
| 02:51.42 | simonrvn | 0-indexed... |
| 02:51.56 | mmnicolas | it starts from 0 |
| 02:51.57 | aaasdfasdfas | why 2? |
| 02:52.06 | mmnicolas | for sda3 |
| 02:52.07 | simonrvn | 0, 1, 2 |
| 02:52.17 | aaasdfasdfas | i see |
| 02:52.22 | aaasdfasdfas | ty mmnicolas |
| 02:52.35 | aaasdfasdfas | coolest ranking : mmnicolas > zcat[1] |
| 02:52.36 | mmnicolas | aaasdfasdfas: next you need to update-grub |
| 02:52.56 | aaasdfasdfas | i did change it at grub menu |
| 02:52.58 | aaasdfasdfas | isn't it enough? |
| 02:53.05 | mmnicolas | no, really his way is cooler |
| 02:53.10 | zcat[1] | boot live CD, mount /dev/sda3 (or whatever) as target again.. -- bind dev, proc and sys (mount --bind /dev/ target/dev, etc..) |
| 02:53.23 | zcat[1] | then chroot target |
| 02:53.27 | rubidious | has anyone here had any trouble resizing ext3 volumes with gparted? |
| 02:53.33 | aaasdfasdfas | please step by step zcat[1] |
| 02:53.37 | zcat[1] | then update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda |
| 02:53.41 | aaasdfasdfas | after mount target what should i do? |
| 02:53.45 | mmnicolas | replace the hassle of replacing things in bootparam for the hassle of mounting extra stuff |
| 02:53.47 | aaasdfasdfas | bind dev? |
| 02:54.02 | aaasdfasdfas | bind dev,proc |
| 02:54.02 | zcat[1] | mount --bind /dev/ target/dev |
| 02:54.05 | aaasdfasdfas | bind sys? |
| 02:54.11 | aaasdfasdfas | ok |
| 02:54.15 | simonrvn | mount --bind /dev /foo/dev |
| 02:54.15 | zcat[1] | and again the same thing for /proc and /sys |
| 02:54.30 | zcat[1] | mount --bind /proc/ target/proc |
| 02:54.37 | zcat[1] | mount --bind /sys/ target/sys |
| 02:54.52 | aaasdfasdfas | ok |
| 02:54.58 | aaasdfasdfas | after that update-grub |
| 02:55.00 | zcat[1] | (this is all as root from the live cd, right?) |
| 02:55.02 | macrobat | rubidious: i had a problem in 2006, lost all my data :D |
| 02:55.06 | aaasdfasdfas | after that grub-install /dev/sda3? |
| 02:55.11 | zcat[1] | no, after that 'chroot target' |
| 02:55.22 | aaasdfasdfas | chroot target folder? |
| 02:55.32 | zcat[1] | type the command "chroot target" |
| 02:55.41 | mmnicolas | aaasdfasdfas: yea update-grub and grub-install /dev/sda |
| 02:55.43 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 02:55.43 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
| 02:55.48 | aaasdfasdfas | ok |
| 02:55.50 | aaasdfasdfas | trying now |
| 02:56.20 | mmnicolas | once youve successfully booted in the wanted part |
| 02:56.36 | zcat[1] | then after chroot target (the bash prompt will change) type 'update-grub' |
| 02:57.46 | zcat[1] | then type 'grub-install /dev/sda' -- This installs grub on the MBR of the drive .. /dev/sda3 if you already have another bootloader and just want to make the partition bootable, but that is not the usual default) |
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| 03:00.02 | zcat[1] | mmnicolas: he doesn't have to boot the wanted partition first; just boot a live CD, mount and chroot into the wanted partition then he can install grub as if he was booted from the new system |
| 03:00.21 | mmnicolas | i know |
| 03:00.55 | mmnicolas | but mounting proc and dev equals the hassle of editing the bootparameters once |
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| 03:01.16 | zcat[1] | hmm, perhaps |
| 03:01.22 | mmnicolas | and is more easily explainable to someone new |
| 03:02.16 | rubidious | macrobat: really? What did you do? |
| 03:02.19 | mmnicolas | i never really understood what perhaps means, is it like maybe ? |
| 03:02.40 | macrobat | mmnicolas: exactually |
| 03:02.44 | zcat[1] | so where is aaasdfasdfas now? |
| 03:02.49 | aaasdfasdfas | i'm here |
| 03:02.55 | rubidious | I'm backing up for sure, but I really don't have time to reinstall this partition later, so I'm just going to resize it and install something shitty on a new partition |
| 03:03.06 | aaasdfasdfas | thanks dude. write everything down. my vm crashed. i will try it tmr morning.. |
| 03:03.13 | aaasdfasdfas | thanks mmnicolas and zcat[1] |
| 03:03.23 | mmnicolas | hehe wow |
| 03:03.23 | aaasdfasdfas | i have to sleep now. have been up for 24 hours :( |
| 03:03.31 | rubidious | lightweight :P |
| 03:03.31 | mmnicolas | install it for REAL |
| 03:03.44 | aaasdfasdfas | i will tmr. hope you guys will be here |
| 03:03.47 | aaasdfasdfas | later .good night |
| 03:03.52 | mmnicolas | cya |
| 03:03.54 | macrobat | rubidious: i accidentally all my data by enlarging /home |
| 03:04.12 | rubidious | please refrain from using memees |
| 03:04.15 | rubidious | memes* |
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| 03:04.25 | rubidious | I plan to shrink /home |
| 03:04.26 | zcat[1] | hmm, this might be a good time to update my backups |
| 03:04.55 | macrobat | i think gparted is safe, but backups are safer still |
| 03:05.37 | mmnicolas | anyone here uses backintime ? |
| 03:05.51 | mmnicolas | it kicks ass |
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| 03:10.12 | zcat[1] | btw is this common? Twice now I have seen an OEM install of Windows Vista where the partitions as seen in Windows were windly different from what gparted can see. First time I did not notice until after ubuntu had tried to resize the windows partition and completely corrupted windows. Second time we tried to make 'free space' from inside Windows and it made no difference at all. |
| 03:12.21 | simonrvn | dunno and don't care. try ##windows. |
| 03:12.44 | zcat[1] | yes I might do that |
| 03:13.01 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 03:13.10 | zcat[1] | It's pretty bad though when a user tries to do something that should be quite safe and it totally trashes their system |
| 03:13.21 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 03:13.47 | zcat[1] | they will likely NEVER try Linux again and probably wanr all their friends never to try it also.... |
| 03:14.22 | simonrvn | forgetting that windows does worse things quite often. |
| 03:14.23 | mmnicolas | at least they had something to try to resize it |
| 03:15.09 | mmnicolas | why don't they install that damn distro instead of using the live environment for resizing |
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| 03:17.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | zcat[1], nobody cares who'll never use linux again and wane their friends |
| 03:18.24 | mmnicolas | i care, i want those people **** |
| 03:18.41 | mmnicolas | s/****/D**D |
| 03:19.01 | xuser | zcat[1]: resizing partitions is not "quite safe" |
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| 03:19.29 | mmnicolas | yea especially with non-ms tools |
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| 03:32.16 | klync | is about to dist-upgrade to lenny.... :D |
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| 04:22.32 | NathanW | does anyone have much expierence with raid controlers ? |
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| 04:23.20 | nevyn | yes. |
| 04:23.26 | nevyn | !ask |
| 04:23.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:25.49 | NathanW | ok |
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| 04:28.25 | NathanW | basicly, ive got a compaq proliant ml350 G3 server, no raid card, just the onboard scsi controlers, channel 1 goes to the 2 drive bay, then chan2 goes to the 6 drive bay, 2 drives per bay are installed, during install debian, i get to the 5% during install and it freezes up and goes nowhere, only way out of it is to power down power back up, basicly same thing happens in any os i try, inlcuding windows 2003 server.. reboot after ins |
| 04:29.35 | NathanW | all my drives were configured for raid0 in a diffrent server. and with out a raid controler theres no raid bios to boot in to to format the drives and i think this is the issue... or is it posible to configure the drives via software? prior to installing an os? |
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| 04:30.59 | NathanW | during boot the controlers find the hard drives, however it does not find any logical drives no assigned drive letters nothign ect.. just trying to pick a brain of somone who might know what direction i need to go to get this to work.. all hardware diagnostics pass, all hardrive diagnostics pass also |
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| 04:39.09 | pencil | Whic package do I need to install to serve nfs? I'm not sure which... |
| 04:39.32 | pencil | nfs-kernel-server? |
| 04:39.44 | zebradog | !nfs |
| 04:39.45 | dpkg | Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/NFS |
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| 04:40.40 | zebradog | is a lazyman and just uses sftp |
| 04:41.38 | pencil | somebody doesn't like nfs.. |
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| 04:42.10 | zebradog | pencil, it's easy to setup |
| 04:42.21 | zebradog | pencil, but i have no need to.. |
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| 04:53.41 | nevyn | NathanW: oh you have to configure a logical disk in the raid controller |
| 04:54.37 | nevyn | the onboard controller is a raid controller probably a cciss |
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| 04:58.18 | NathanW | ok so how can i use the onboard raid controller yes it is a cciss i beleave but ive got no F# option to get int to any other setting other than the controler number or enable or disable controler reset ic |
| 04:58.41 | NathanW | or can i configure a logical disk on a nother controler then plug them in to this one already configured and have it pull it up? |
| 05:00.50 | sepult | lol, nightmare file system |
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| 05:06.14 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | Does debian lenny have a firewall? where is it, and how can i open ports for web streaming? |
| 05:06.55 | Bushmills | !iptables |
| 05:06.55 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 05:07.08 | Bushmills | Extreme-Dpup-484: ^^^ |
| 05:07.34 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | thanks. |
| 05:07.59 | b0nghitter | how do i make the system check /etc/hosts before resolv.conf? |
| 05:08.07 | b0nghitter | i installed resolvconf and bind |
| 05:08.51 | Bushmills | b0nghitter: /etc/host.conf, or /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 05:09.59 | Bushmills | checking hosts before bind is the default |
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| 05:20.51 | wcs | hi there |
| 05:20.56 | pencil | Is there a way to limit ssh logins only from certain ip addresses? |
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| 05:21.17 | pencil | I'm getting WAY too many attempts from oodles of ip addresses in china |
| 05:21.29 | Bushmills | pencil: iptables is the most generic way to do that |
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| 05:21.53 | pencil | you'd think it could be done in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:21.56 | Bushmills | against brute forcing, look at denyhosts |
| 05:22.19 | pencil | yes.. i am using dnyhosts but every attack comes from a different chinese address |
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| 05:22.36 | pencil | that kinda works around denyhosts |
| 05:22.55 | Bushmills | in sshd.conf you can set up the user names of those allowed to log in |
| 05:23.38 | Bushmills | sshd_config, i mean |
| 05:23.38 | pencil | Bushmills: yes.. that's partially helpful.. |
| 05:23.38 | pencil | reduces chances a little.. |
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| 05:24.14 | pencil | I'm literally getting thousands of attempts daily.. mostly 4 per username... I don' tallow root login at all. |
| 05:24.20 | Bushmills | i think iptables is better to control those attempts, because packets go through netfilter before they reach sshd |
| 05:24.55 | cahoot | only accept keybased login? |
| 05:25.00 | pencil | Bushmills: maybe.. it'll take me a while to figure out how to do that, though.. I do have a simple firewall, as it is.. |
| 05:25.33 | Bushmills | by default, DENY everything, except what you explicitely allow |
| 05:26.05 | jmarsden | pencil: Another alternative is to put ssh on a non-standard port number, this tends to reduce the number of random guessing attempts. |
| 05:26.09 | pencil | The database holds biomedical research data.. but needs to serve over internet... for collaborations.. |
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| 05:26.24 | Bushmills | pencil: consider to use a vpn |
| 05:26.52 | Bushmills | all allowed users connect through vpn to the services, allowing access to the database |
| 05:26.59 | pencil | can't use vpn.. this is for broad collaborations across many research facilities.. |
| 05:27.21 | Bushmills | for same reason you could say "can't use ssh, because of ....'" |
| 05:27.24 | pencil | changing the port # sounds like a good idea.. is that done in sshd_config? |
| 05:27.41 | pencil | ssh is just for sysadmin access... |
| 05:28.02 | pencil | I thought maybe I could limit it to a few home ip numbers.. |
| 05:28.12 | pencil | and the backend machines, which are in a closed network |
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| 05:31.31 | pencil | Ok.. I switched the port # to a weird number.. I'll give it a day and see what logwatch reports.. |
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| 05:32.03 | pencil | I'd like to do more stuff with ipchains but need to do more learning and testing for that. |
| 05:33.06 | Bushmills | i've started to graph the denyhosts activity a while ago: http://stats.scarydevilmonastery.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/hostsdeny.html - the bluer, the older |
| 05:34.36 | pencil | Bushmills: It'd be interesting to put a box up specifically to let them in, to record what they try to do in there.. |
| 05:35.15 | Bushmills | honeypot |
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| 05:36.18 | pencil | trying to break into our biomedical research database, perhaps I could provide them some false information.... making them think they have something useful. |
| 05:36.55 | Bushmills | most would be automated, logging in, trying to make use of a local exploit, register the box as drone, and let it continue finding more drones |
| 05:37.43 | pencil | Bushmills: chinese tend to look for useful info.. not just botnets. |
| 05:38.06 | Bushmills | the begin would be the same |
| 05:38.45 | pencil | maybe.. plus erasing history, etc.. to hide their tracks.. |
| 05:38.58 | Bushmills | a mere detail |
| 05:39.39 | Bushmills | interesting would be what happens when no way to apply a local exploit was found |
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| 05:41.17 | pencil | ok.. good enough for tonight.. need to sleep on this.. more work for tomorrow. |
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| 05:42.10 | Macer | ugh. comcast had like a 6 hour outage in my area |
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| 05:42.20 | KB1JWQ | Macer: That's comcastic! |
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| 05:42.34 | Macer | KB1JWQ: hah! |
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| 05:42.59 | amin__ | hi every body |
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| 05:43.24 | Macer | i have a leased business line. if that is how bad it is for me then i could only imagine the residential lines.. but then again i suppose they are all the same with the only difference being the static ips and the actual unlimited xfering and abilities to run servers on it within license |
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| 05:44.34 | Bushmills | Macer: if connectivity is essential to you, you surely have a backup provider |
| 05:44.35 | amin__ | i am little confused I want to DL debian 5.0.05 genome but archive isoz are too small or dvds what should I DL? |
| 05:45.16 | sevier | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.40 | Bushmills | preferable using a different mode of connection. not twice DSL, or twice cable, for example. |
| 05:47.06 | sevier | could some one give me the debian 5.0.5 Genome |
| 05:47.26 | sevier | the links are justt too small or abouut 5dvds |
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| 05:49.30 | NathanW | If you take a drive out of raid0 aray, for instance an scsi ultra320 drive, and slap it in to a system with no raid just a scsi disk controler uncapible of raid, will it work, or will i have to plug the drive back in to the raid controler and configure it up as a logical volume with out raid then slap it in to the non raid server for it to work? |
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| 05:50.08 | Bushmills | drive will be detected, but file system is usually not usuable |
| 05:50.56 | NathanW | hrm... leme repost my entire question from earyler see if maby you can make sence of what i got going on |
| 05:51.17 | NathanW | ive got a compaq proliant ml350 G3 server, no raid card, just the onboard scsi controlers, channel 1 goes to the 2 drive bay, then chan2 goes to the 6 drive bay, 2 drives per bay are installed, during install debian, i get to the 5% during install and it freezes up and goes nowhere, only way out of it is to power down power back up, basicly same thing happens in any os i try, inlcuding windows 2003 server.. reboot after install and |
| 05:51.17 | NathanW | <NathanW> all my drives were configured for raid0 in a diffrent server. and with out a raid controler theres no raid bios to boot in to to format the drives and i think this is the issue... or is it posible to configure the drives via software? prior to installing an os? |
| 05:51.23 | NathanW | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.36 | KB1JWQ | Holy wall of text, NathanW. |
| 05:51.50 | NathanW | sorry |
| 05:52.04 | KB1JWQ | How're you doing the install? |
| 05:52.14 | NathanW | almost 40 hours on this server and its bornked |
| 05:52.36 | Bushmills | with raid0 you may be lucky |
| 05:52.54 | NathanW | well for one i was installing debian from cd boot off cd try install fail, next i went to other os and nothing again fail, with any os fail when boot from cd, |
| 05:52.55 | Bushmills | ehm no sorry |
| 05:53.02 | Bushmills | not with raid0. with raid1 |
| 05:53.19 | jmarsden | sevier: Try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso and if it does not have all of GNOME on it, just download the GNOME staff after the basic install. |
| 05:53.41 | NathanW | then used smart start cd from hp for the server that "configures drives for the os you want then asks for os disk and copys and installs from the cd then boots in to os and again fail blue screen of death every time even with winblows 2k3 server |
| 05:53.54 | Bushmills | with raid0, no drive contains complete information |
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| 05:54.33 | NathanW | i dont even care to run it in raid at the moment i was about to go software raid with it just set up each physical hdd as its own drive then software raid em if i had to |
| 05:54.58 | sevier | jmarsden: no I just want to get installable ~650mb media with genome desktop the rest Is not matter |
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| 05:55.25 | Bushmills | NathanW: i hope you have a backup. extremely recommendable with raid0 |
| 05:55.54 | NathanW | but on the ml350 no raid controler that i know of, i beleave the onboard is only a scsi controler non raid, but the dl380 has raid but i dont want the drives in it ... |
| 05:55.57 | zcat[1] | !info d4x |
| 05:55.59 | NathanW | dont care about the data at all actually |
| 05:56.06 | NathanW | jsut need a fresh start over install on the new system |
| 05:56.26 | Bushmills | oh. just partition a drive, create a file system |
| 05:56.33 | sevier | jmarsden: tnx dear |
| 05:56.40 | jmarsden | sevier: There is no "genome" desktop. GNOME (or some of it) is probably on the ISO I pointed to; I don't remember exactly how much of what is on which iso though. |
| 05:56.47 | NathanW | it wouldent let me it trys and isntalls thinks all fine then EPIC FAILURE lol |
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| 05:57.27 | Bushmills | jmarsden: ah. "gnome".. grin .. i was wondering already what i have missed, because i never heard of something like debian genome :) |
| 05:58.10 | sevier | jmarsden: U mean that when i finish installing that i have no graphical desktop like ubuntu |
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| 05:58.56 | jmarsden | You'll have a graphical desktop if you select one during the install... I'm just not sure how much of the graphical stuff is on the CD image vs being on the Internet and pulled down during the install process. |
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| 05:59.05 | jmarsden | Try it and see :) |
| 06:00.16 | jmarsden | sevier: Most people with fast Internet connections use just CD1 or just a netinst image (even smaller) to install Debian. You can install far more of Debian than that, just not all of it comes from the CD you booted with... some of it comes from the Internet as needed. |
| 06:00.49 | jmarsden | Just as, for example, the Ubuntu language packs are not all on the CD, they are installed from the Internet... |
| 06:01.18 | Dominicus | Grub 2 comes up, and when I try to boot into Debian Testing, I get "error: cannot read the Linux header." and "error: you need to load the kernel first. |
| 06:01.37 | sevier | jmarsden: ok I am going to kill it by the way ,,,, yes and exactly the same about ristricted codecs |
| 06:01.37 | Dominicus | Where do i reference how to recover from something like this? |
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| 06:02.43 | NathanW | what i'm woundering is there any way that the raid0 system could be like "locked" in to that mode via a chip on the hdd or flags on the discs? that would cause it to fail when you try and format it... cause thats exactly how its acting but if thats the case how can i work aroudn this ? as the old system is no longer around eg went to the recycle bin about a 4 days ago when i pulled the drives ... :-\ |
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| 06:08.37 | jmarsden | NathanW: Boot from a LiveCD, and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/WHATEVER bs=1k count=1k each hard drive in the system. After that the drives are unlikely to "remember" anything much about an older partitioning scheme .. so if something does remember, it is the hardware RAID controller. |
| 06:08.59 | jmarsden | Note that this *will* destroy data on these drives. |
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| 06:10.44 | NathanW | sweet! ya hopefully it WILL destroy data and everythign in my way |
| 06:11.12 | NathanW | i just really dont get the issue any other server would be like bam hdds here i'm up install install install reboot working but they hada get a compaq LOL |
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| 06:26.01 | NathanW | is the debian netinst iso a live cd? |
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| 06:28.52 | lost_soul | NathanW: no, it's for installs |
| 06:29.19 | Bushmills | well, you can alt-f2 switch to a console with terminal |
| 06:29.27 | Bushmills | so in a way it is a live cd |
| 06:31.48 | NathanW | would that allow me to do a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/WHATEVER bs=1k count=1k ? |
| 06:31.57 | Bushmills | yes |
| 06:32.21 | Bushmills | (hope that more recent netinst still do) |
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| 06:34.10 | NathanW | i got a couple old netinst disks :-) too |
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| 07:46.37 | Afshin | Hi to all |
| 07:46.55 | Afshin | Can any one speek about TC 9 |
| 07:47.11 | Afshin | Can any one speek about TC (traffic control) in debian |
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| 07:52.40 | hideo | !lartc |
| 07:52.40 | dpkg | hmm... lartc is the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO. http://lartc.org/ #lartc on irc.oftc.net. See also <wondershaper>. |
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| 08:08.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Can I give one user (me) specific permission to mount a filesystem-in-a-file to a mount point in his home dir as with -o loop , but without using su or sudo ? The intention is to make it workable in the pcmanfm filemanager gui window. |
| 08:09.55 | nevyn | yes |
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| 08:10.42 | nevyn | vi /etc/fstab /pathtofile /home/user/mountpoint filesystemtype defaults,loop,user 0 0 |
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| 08:16.43 | jpinx-eeepc | nevyn: thanks, that's one way, but the /path/to/file varies as it is on a usb stick :/ |
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| 08:17.22 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: dear god why? |
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| 08:17.41 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: it's programming for sparkies. and they still make a mess of it. |
| 08:17.42 | jpinx-eeepc | it's complicated ;) |
| 08:18.01 | nevyn | it's not complicated it's DRAWING programs. |
| 08:18.19 | jpinx-eeepc | it's an ext3 fs in a file on a vfat stick so that windox users can not easily read it |
| 08:18.59 | jpinx-eeepc | nevyn: I'll take a look at udev naming rules maybe... ;) |
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| 08:20.16 | nevyn | the wikipedia page for it expresses what I'm saying perfectly. |
| 08:20.50 | nevyn | which of the following is easier to understand? |
| 08:20.52 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.52 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.53 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.53 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.53 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:21.43 | nevyn | bleh or S = X AND ( Y OR Z ) |
| 08:22.21 | nevyn | ok. |
| 08:22.32 | nevyn | wrong window.. dunno how I messed that up |
| 08:23.06 | simonrvn | er? |
| 08:23.09 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 08:30.27 | bolt-work | i really prefer the latter... |
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| 08:51.13 | martb_home | timahvo1: gnuplot |
| 08:51.30 | lindi- | any idea on how to disable cursor blinking in gnome-terminal 2.30.1-1? I've googled around but gconftool-2 -s /apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/Default/cursor_blink_mode -t string off does not seem to have any effect |
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| 08:54.33 | hacker_kid | ok this cant be a coincidence. i have two almost identical machines (old hp Vectia VE's) that stop after detecting hardware and say they couldnt mount the cd, all other machines (so far 5 similarly powered boxes) install fine off the same disk (lenny) any ideas? |
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| 09:40.51 | unixp | hey know so. why in Xfce a new theme shows only the difference in the task bars, but not in the other windows? |
| 09:41.03 | unixp | i added the themes in /usr/share/themes |
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| 09:44.39 | bolt-work | whoa. |
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| 09:45.07 | bolt-work | today's the day marty mcfly is supposed to arrive from 1985 (back to the future) |
| 09:45.24 | bolt-work | grabs his hoverboard and swoops off |
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| 09:45.34 | KineticBug | (yesterday) |
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| 09:46.03 | bolt-work | ? |
| 09:46.05 | aldin | Hi, where do i enable small icons, which can be seen besides label, for e.g nautilusOpenInTerminal, i have it on Mint, it must be somewhere in gconf-editor? Please take look at this picture http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5319/nosmallicons.png |
| 09:46.12 | KineticBug | 05/07/2010 |
| 09:46.30 | KineticBug | Was the date they set on the delorian (sp?) in back to the future |
| 09:46.38 | bolt-work | my screenshot says differently |
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| 09:46.50 | KineticBug | or was it the 06? |
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| 09:50.02 | smv | aldin, use gconf-editor, and change /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons |
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| 09:50.51 | bolt-work | hm.. come to think of it, he makes the trip several times, doesn't he? |
| 09:51.01 | bolt-work | my screenshot says 06 anyway |
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| 09:53.19 | Selveste1 | Hey, is there anyone of you that runs drbd on an LVM based Dom0.? to replica you harddrives or do you run with iSCSI.? |
| 09:53.24 | aldin | smv: did it doesnt show, perhaps i need to logout, brb |
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| 09:59.35 | aldin | smv: actually this works, but thanks anyway, you helped me to locate it :) |
| 09:59.37 | aldin | /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons |
| 10:00.07 | smv | erm, i use both :)) |
| 10:00.24 | aldin | actually i did checked them both |
| 10:00.26 | aldin | :) |
| 10:00.28 | aldin | thanks man |
| 10:00.30 | aldin | bye |
| 10:00.39 | smv | my pleasure |
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| 10:22.29 | jargon- | i'm looking for a FOSS-based network authentication systems that requires users to have a valid authentication before they're able to access the wired and wifi networks. any recommendations? using firehol+squid and firewall+proxy. |
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| 10:26.16 | xx1 | jargon-: 802.1X + radius |
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| 10:32.03 | unixp | i cant login into phpmyadmin ... i installed phpmyadmin then i opened it http://myip/phpmyadmin I get the login window, but i didnt declare a user or pw. How should i login? |
| 10:33.45 | jargon- | xx1: from what i'm reading radius is a protocol. any popular implementations? |
| 10:34.21 | petemc | jargon-: freeradius |
| 10:34.29 | jargon- | petemc: thanks |
| 10:34.38 | petemc | jargon-: you'll probably want something like coovachili to hook it all together too |
| 10:35.18 | petemc | coovachilli, even. the offshoot from the now defunct chillispot |
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| 10:44.52 | petemc | script? |
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| 10:51.22 | Riviera | rical: also, many terminal emulators can write a logfile (see for example xterm's -l option) |
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| 11:09.53 | hannes__ | hi,any idea what might be causing this apt error? http://pastebin.com/PkFHxtQm |
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| 11:10.49 | tejota | hello |
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| 11:11.18 | tejota | does anybody know if there's a service for shutting down hard disks when theyre not in use |
| 11:11.29 | tejota | ive found hdparm |
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| 11:11.44 | tejota | but i would like to stop sata drives too |
| 11:12.49 | tejota | is there a gui to ease the task? |
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| 11:16.07 | dongs | tejota: sdparm? duno. |
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| 11:17.11 | tejota | ok will try |
| 11:17.12 | tejota | thanks |
| 11:17.13 | tejota | :) |
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| 11:30.27 | avar | Hi. I have some "The following partially installed packages will be configured:" (grub grub-pc |
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| 11:30.53 | avar | (sorry for the newline) ..but I can't install them due to limitations on the VPS, how do I remove them so that they're not partially installed anymore (and just use the old version) |
| 11:31.15 | avar | I can block them from being upgraded again with apt pinning, but that doesn't help me with a package that's ready for configuration |
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| 11:49.07 | datacrusher | hello everyone. i have a debian file server with samba, and its kinda old machine. I wanna install a new pc that i got here and migrate my current server to this one, is there a straight forward method to duplicate my server without lost its configuration? |
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| 11:51.12 | datacrusher | im using debian lenny, updated from etch, 64 version |
| 11:51.38 | avar | copy over its configuration files and test it? |
| 11:51.42 | datacrusher | this server got 2 years, i will migrate to prevent hardware failure |
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| 11:54.47 | bbd | datacrusher: use same hdd/installation |
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| 12:08.08 | unixp | kann man irgendwie ausserhalb des Routermenüs noch mehr log Datein erhalten, wer sich zb. mit dem Router verbunden hat? Und wenn ja mit was und wie? Es ist ein Netgear WG111 Router |
| 12:08.31 | unixp | oh sry wron channel |
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| 12:11.42 | vadi | What is the package to install a shell which is able to auto-hide its window when mouse focus is out? |
| 12:12.25 | d3x | vadi, yakuake? |
| 12:12.26 | bbd | you mean focus-follows-mouse feature? |
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| 12:13.45 | vadi | bbd, I want a shell box with when I move mouse to top of window it show, and else it hides |
| 12:14.02 | vadi | thanks d3x, I am going to try that to check if it is what I am looking for |
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| 12:14.46 | xx1 | if you mean "hide"=="inactive" |
| 12:14.46 | Bop | datacrusher, u can use some app like norton ghost |
| 12:14.59 | Bop | there's some Open source apps to replicate OS |
| 12:15.01 | xx1 | or focussed |
| 12:15.04 | d3x | Bop, you mean disk dump? |
| 12:15.17 | Bop | there's a live cd to do that |
| 12:15.27 | rgroid | hide never means inactive. hide means non visible. |
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| 12:15.37 | Bop | cant remember name , but i think its not that , d3x |
| 12:15.38 | Tsakos | wow, lot's of people :D |
| 12:15.54 | Bop | well , dd should do the trick , with some hacks |
| 12:16.04 | vadi | rgroid, yep, I mean non visible |
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| 12:17.03 | Tsakos | I'm trying to help a friend with a sound card problem he has. |
| 12:17.23 | Tsakos | but i don't really understand much from the dmesg output |
| 12:17.45 | Tsakos | the output is here: http://pastebin.com/VyuX8XjL if someone wants to help |
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| 12:19.16 | lvh | hey |
| 12:19.20 | bbd | Tsakos: everything looks good. are you sure mixer levels are ok and not muted? |
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| 12:20.10 | lvh | I just installed testing on my laptop. Just installed X; neither pointer input device works. Get the following error on boot; maybe related: kernel-provided name 'uinput' and NAME= 'input/uinput' disagree |
| 12:20.14 | lvh | That's from udev-work. |
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| 12:21.11 | lvh | Bug reports appear to suggest bug is harmless and just a warning, so maybe unrelated. |
| 12:21.24 | lvh | cat /dev/input/mouse1 and /dev/input/mouse2 work fine. |
| 12:21.25 | b0nghitter | whats the best app to backup my main hdd to a secondary hdd? |
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| 12:21.57 | krion | i got a sas card (amcc powerpc ppc405cr), i can't manage to get debian installer seen my hard drive |
| 12:22.06 | datacrusher | bbd, but i need to install the system again, im having a space shortage problem with my / folder |
| 12:22.25 | datacrusher | didnt separated /var from it, and created a very small size, im 98% with it |
| 12:22.54 | datacrusher | i think the best sollution is to do a fresh install and copy configuration files to the new machine |
| 12:23.16 | Tsakos | bbd: thanks for helping out. |
| 12:23.37 | Tsakos | bbd: but as he said me, sometimes sound work, sometimes not. |
| 12:24.13 | bbd | datacrusher: i'm against reinstalling, it's windows way. you can simply copy over files using cp/tar or partimage or some other partition/copy tool (can't remember). |
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| 12:25.39 | bbd | datacrusher: otherwise you'll have to hunt every missing config file, every package, user etc.. |
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| 12:27.00 | bbd | Tsakos: "sometimes does not work" - that's really helpful :) |
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| 12:28.10 | Tsakos | bbd: he restarted, and now all works fine. |
| 12:28.54 | jelly-one | Tsakos: if you're using ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu please |
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| 12:29.19 | lvh | Whoops, wrong cable. Sorry if anyone responded while I vanished |
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| 12:30.56 | krion | looks like it's indeed a 3ware 9690SA-4l, any review ? |
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| 12:31.32 | aleray | hi, how can I find out what keymap I'm using ? (now that xorg.conf is gone) |
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| 12:31.55 | jelly-one | krion, which debian release are you trying to install? |
| 12:31.57 | bbd | krion: i have this 9690SA-4I on one of servers. no complaints.. |
| 12:31.59 | datacrusher | bbd, hmmm well, actually this installation is working. is there a way to simply create the partitions there and do a straight copy? how do i map the mounting partitions after? |
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| 12:32.44 | Tsakos | jelly-one: well, isn't debian and ubuntu the same? |
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| 12:33.26 | jelly-one | Tsakos: the answer is quite obvious, isn't it. No, they're not, else there'd be only one of those. |
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| 12:34.26 | krion | jelly-one: lenny amd64, with a squeeze debian installer IIRC |
| 12:34.34 | krion | but doesn't see the hard drive |
| 12:34.37 | Tsakos | thanks anyway.. |
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| 12:35.05 | krion | i supposed it's a 9690SA as it's what's marked on the invoice, but i see nothing on the card |
| 12:35.06 | jelly-one | krion, hm. So that's a fresh enough kernel on that installer. Have you tried the installer from /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 12:35.43 | bbd | datacrusher: hundreds of ways.. for example connect both HDDs and boot from live CD. mount old one on /mnt1, partition the new one as you wish, mount the whole structure on /mnt2. do cp -a /mnt1/* /mnt2 |
| 12:35.57 | krion | jelly-one: no, i'm using pxe with debian official d-i |
| 12:36.37 | bbd | datacrusher: then have to play with bootloader which you're using. again easiest way would be to remove old hdd, live CD has some option like 'boot from first hdd', use it. then rerun lilo/grub/whatever |
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| 12:38.03 | bbd | datacrusher: also check packages like partimage or fsarchiver, it could help |
| 12:38.12 | jelly-one | krion, you can't boot from local media? |
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| 12:40.33 | krion | jelly-one: i could, but that's not the procedure i've to apply :D |
| 12:40.40 | krion | i'll try again, thanks |
| 12:40.53 | jelly-one | !d-i |
| 12:40.53 | dpkg | 5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <errata>. |
| 12:41.28 | jelly-one | krion, ^^ the channel for installer issues |
| 12:41.30 | datacrusher | thanks bbd! ill check it out |
| 12:41.32 | bbd | krion: is raid already created on this controller. i mean any logical volumes? |
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| 12:42.41 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | i mounted a hard drive to a folder /media/harddisk How do i give that folder write permission? |
| 12:43.01 | jelly-one | Extreme-Dpup-484, which filesystem is used there? |
| 12:43.08 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | ext3 |
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| 12:43.38 | passwordoff | Where to find the manual about netinst installation? |
| 12:44.03 | jelly-one | Extreme-Dpup-484: normal unix permissions apply then. Use chown and chmod at your discretion. |
| 12:44.35 | jelly-one | !tell passwordoff about i-g |
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| 12:45.13 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | so just chmod the folder as rw.. Is there a quick temporary method to make it writable? |
| 12:46.13 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | i want this writable: /media/harddisk (mounted to hdc1) |
| 12:47.11 | jelly-one | Extreme-Dpup-484, writable for which user? the simplest thing is to chown the mount point to that user. |
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| 12:47.39 | jelly-one | (Extreme-Dpup-484, do that after it's mounted) |
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| 12:47.59 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | it's already mounted.. Can i chown that from the console, or do i edit some file? |
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| 12:49.20 | jelly-one | Extreme-Dpup-484, a terminal window is typically sufficient, and remember to do it as root |
| 12:49.31 | bbd | :) |
| 12:49.41 | jelly-one | !tell Extreme-Dpup-484 about permissions |
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| 12:51.16 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | i ran out of disk space on my hard drive...Trying to expand my home directory by symlinking a folder within to a second hard drive.. |
| 12:51.38 | Extreme-Dpup-484 | thanks. |
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| 12:53.21 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:15.58 | panfist | i'm having some package trouble; i know some files are included in a package, but they're not showing up on my system after installing the package |
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| 13:16.23 | qwd | Debian Sid AMD64. Is it possible (a good idea) to install snes9x-gtk from https://launchpad.net/~bearoso/+archive/ppa since snes9x-gtk isn't in the Debian repo for AMD64? |
| 13:17.00 | jeff_hann | panfist, what package? |
| 13:17.12 | panfist | slapd |
| 13:17.51 | panfist | pardon me for asking in #debian when it's actually an ubuntu specific question, but really it's a dpkg/aptitude question...why is the package reporting successful installation when these files are missing? |
| 13:18.20 | jeff_hann | panfist, so are you running ubuntu? |
| 13:18.34 | panfist | yes |
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| 13:18.43 | jeff_hann | panfist, #ubuntu |
| 13:19.14 | panfist | there's no #dpkg, #APT, ... |
| 13:19.39 | panfist | really i want to know: why would a pacakge install quietly without installing all the files that are in it? |
| 13:20.12 | jeff_hann | panfist, I'll only say this once : join #ubuntu and ask. |
| 13:20.14 | qwd | !based on debian |
| 13:20.15 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:20.15 | yareckon | anyone have a recommendation for a 4 drive external HD bay? Looking for a USB one with JBOD mode to use in a software raid, not one with an integrated RAID controller |
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| 13:21.25 | yareckon | ^sorry, that should have a ? at the end |
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| 13:22.08 | panfist | sorry i asked; if there was a #dpkg or #APT i would have tried there |
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| 13:24.25 | oOSebOo | hi all, does anyone have experience with nfs active-active 2 node cluster failover for rw share on lenny ? |
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| 13:27.10 | krion | jelly-one: i download a fresh lenny installer, who recognize both my ethernet controller and raid controller |
| 13:27.27 | krion | i guess there is a trouble with the squeeze installer i used earlier |
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| 13:40.07 | qwd | How can I see where my Saitek P880 USB gamepad is? snes9express |
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| 13:40.42 | qwd | shows /dev/js0 and /dev/js1 but both say "No such file or directory" |
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| 13:40.59 | nkuttler | qwd: lsusb? |
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| 13:41.32 | qwd | nkuttler: thanks, I knew it was ls-something :) |
| 13:43.16 | Bushmills | qwd: if you knew that, ls<tab><tab> could have jogged your memory |
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| 13:45.07 | unixp_ | what was the plugin to add printers in debian lenny? |
| 13:45.16 | unixp_ | its on a webinterface |
| 13:45.27 | Bushmills | !cups |
| 13:45.27 | dpkg | it has been said that cups is the Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:46.00 | Bushmills | browse to http://printserver:631 |
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| 13:49.16 | qwd | lsusb shows me: Bus 007 Device 002: ID 06a3:0109 Saitek PLC P880 Pad |
| 13:49.53 | qwd | ...but what do I do with that? how do I find out the location so I can put it in snes9express? (sorry for the unnecessary line break, I pasted it in) |
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| 13:55.22 | reodge | ts |
| 13:55.22 | reodge | h |
| 13:55.25 | reodge | doh :) |
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| 13:58.03 | intx | is it possible to boot off 2 raided usb drives? |
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| 14:01.29 | dp | is there any way to get etch packages any longer? I have a box that is not immediately upgradable that I need to install some new packages on |
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| 14:02.49 | dp | ok. suck |
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| 14:03.05 | dp | thanks |
| 14:03.06 | qwd | Doh, now I found the gamepad at /dev/bus/usb/007/002 but snes9express says "Joystick driver is too old" |
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| 14:04.23 | qwd | According to LinuxQuestions the gamepad should Just Work. Guess it's snes9express that's causing problems http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/saitek-p880-gamepad-459338/ |
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| 14:14.24 | kfogel | debian servers down for anyone else? I tried a dist-upgrade, and: |
| 14:14.26 | kfogel | Err http://http.us.debian.org sid/main base-files 5.8 |
| 14:14.26 | kfogel | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.45 | d3x | erm.. how is '404' related to 'server down'? |
| 14:14.52 | d3x | do aptitude update first... |
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| 14:15.40 | kfogel | d3x: I thought 404 just meant HTTP server saying this page not exist? |
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| 14:15.57 | kfogel | d3x: I should have said "have a problem", not "down", sorry |
| 14:16.06 | d3x | yeah... so it doesn't mean 'server is down', right? |
| 14:16.25 | d3x | you have out-of-date package list most likely |
| 14:16.31 | kfogel | d3x: I was using "down" as a confusing shorthand for "server side misconfiguration" yes |
| 14:16.37 | kfogel | d3x: so I did apt-get update first |
| 14:16.43 | kfogel | d3x: should I be using aptitude, or does that not matter? |
| 14:16.49 | d3x | doesn't matter |
| 14:16.58 | kfogel | d3x: ok, thanks |
| 14:17.16 | kfogel | d3x: I made sure I was up-to-date before running 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. |
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| 14:17.56 | kfogel | d3x: huh, and now dist-upgrade is working fine. NM, I guess. There was a period of 5 minutes at least when it was 404-ing. |
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| 14:34.59 | unixp_ | i need to install truecrypt: FUSE library and tools and device mapper tools ... where can i get ? |
| 14:36.03 | ksk | FUSE is avaliable in repo |
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| 14:36.17 | wintix | hmm. wasn't there a dpkg text thing about not to use leet speek because if the person asking can't be bothered to write correct sentences, we can't be bothered to answer? sadly can't find the right keyword at the moment. |
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| 14:37.36 | ksk | did i leetspeak? :X |
| 14:37.52 | wintix | ksk: no. i am just wondering. totally unrelated to you :) |
| 14:38.01 | ksk | okay :) |
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| 14:38.42 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 14:38.56 | ksk | unixp_: i dont know about this device-mapper tools |
| 14:39.14 | ksk | but tc worked, after i installed fuse on debian |
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| 14:40.30 | unixp_ | ksk, how did u install it? |
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| 14:43.09 | magyar_ | hi, i have a network bridge setup br0 with eth1 as the slave. I setup br0 to be static, but my resolv.conf keeps picking up the DNS settings from dhcp server |
| 14:43.18 | magyar_ | how can i lock the resolv.conf file |
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| 14:46.59 | qwd | Debian Sid AMD64. I'm trying to set up snes9x to use my Saitek P880 USB gamepad by editing /etc/snes9x/snes9x.conf (snes9x-gtk is unavailable for AMD64). When I open a rom with snes9x I see this in the terminal window: http://pastebin.com/FwKSK8Zr and this is my snes9x.conf http://pastebin.com/PNnwKujm where I edited line 94 to add the location of the gamepad, which I found by doing lsusb |
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| 14:47.27 | stas | ïðèâåò! |
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| 14:56.40 | ksk | unixp_: follow the instructions? |
| 14:56.57 | unixp_ | ksk, i installed it now: |
| 14:57.03 | ksk | iirc theres something like "linux-$arch-install.sh |
| 14:58.01 | unixp_ | truecrypt: error while loading shared libraries: libfuse.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:59.16 | ksk | i guess u didnt install FUSE |
| 14:59.20 | ksk | so you should do |
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| 15:07.58 | krabador | excuse me , to use the changes in /etc/network/interfaces, what i must restart? |
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| 15:08.38 | jqgc1 | intel i7860 CPU: amd64 or ia64 ? how can i tell? (can't cat /proc/cpuinfo, no access to the machine atm) |
| 15:08.57 | liable | amd64 |
| 15:09.03 | liable | ia64 is itanium |
| 15:09.15 | jqgc1 | ok, thanks! |
| 15:10.02 | bartm | krabador: the affected network interfaces, for example ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
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| 15:10.40 | krabador | bartm, i try :) |
| 15:12.06 | ksk | what about /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
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| 15:12.23 | ksk | restarts any device i think |
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| 15:21.43 | eshat | HI all,... any idea when ffmpeg 0.6 will be in unstable ? It's in exp, but vlc for example is build agains 0.5.2 which does not have webm support... |
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| 15:23.00 | lindi- | eshat: it's probably not going to squeeze |
| 15:23.20 | lindi- | eshat: so it'll be in unstable only when squeeze has been released? just a guess. check BTS |
| 15:23.51 | eshat | lindi-: thanks |
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| 15:28.41 | bbd | eshat: try this src 'deb http://debian.lth.se/debian-multimedia/ unstable main' |
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| 15:29.29 | tarik | Hi all |
| 15:30.02 | eshat | bbd: I already have dmm, but like to have the package in debian official mrrors, since I experinced sme problems with dmm |
| 15:30.11 | tarik | I've install Bacula for backup my data |
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| 15:30.45 | tarik | when i want to connect using web client i got this error message : Error query: 4 |
| 15:30.57 | tarik | ANy idea about this error |
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| 15:36.11 | krion | tarik: not enough :) |
| 15:36.49 | krion | you should first configure bacula with editing conf file and using bconsole, and then you should use web client |
| 15:37.06 | krion | or you should use backuppc who's more easier IMHO |
| 15:37.53 | tarik | Ah in the first time: bconsole |
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| 15:41.58 | Sushiyant | how i can access webmin from any where |
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| 15:45.42 | ElllisD | how do I see what I'm using for sound? I have sound, albeit low, and when I look, ALSA's not installed. |
| 15:46.07 | cahoot | ElllisD: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:46.14 | ElllisD | thx |
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| 15:48.57 | ElllisD | cahoot: it tells me there's a card, sure- as does alsamixer-gui |
| 15:49.14 | cahoot | so alsa then |
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| 15:49.29 | tarik | Sushiyant: you should configure your router, Virtual host |
| 15:49.40 | ElllisD | I have installed libgstreamer libasound, phonon |
| 15:49.44 | Sushiyant | tarik: howto ? |
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| 15:50.09 | ElllisD | libpulse. Which one is why my volume's low is the poinit i guess |
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| 15:51.02 | tarik | If you using apache2, allow your machine webmine to connect with port 80 |
| 15:51.05 | ElllisD | alsa runs with just libasound? there's no alsa-foo installed but that |
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| 15:53.46 | tarik | Sushiyant : in your router configure NAT ( if your machine webmine is 192.168.xxx.xxx allow this address in outsid with port 80) you can find here an example : http://bulfire.free.fr/510V4_Screenshot/Config%20NAT%20apply.PNG |
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| 15:54.23 | qq- | ElllisD, i get volume's low in audacious too, so i use vlc |
| 15:54.45 | Sushiyant | tarik: tnx |
| 15:55.02 | ElllisD | qq tyvm, |
| 15:57.11 | Sushiyant | tarik: but i can not found where is it? |
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| 15:57.51 | hhhhhhh | hello zcat[1] here? |
| 15:58.01 | hhhhhhh | mmnicolas here? |
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| 16:00.24 | tarik | Sushiyant: Check your router |
| 16:00.38 | Sushiyant | uhum |
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| 16:01.25 | tarik | if you use dynamique address try to use dyndns.org |
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| 16:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 16:04.50 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 16:14.36 | r0ver | I'm looking for a benchmarking tool to meassure software resources demand. Basically i'd like to know which process is consuming more cpu and memory in a day or month, for example. |
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| 16:16.36 | kfogel | package 'starttls' removed from testing? |
| 16:17.42 | qq- | , versions starttls |
| 16:17.43 | judd | starttls -- etch: 0.10-3; lenny: 0.10-3 |
| 16:18.16 | bartm | kfogel: from unstable as well, "not maintained by upstream, has security issues, deprecated" |
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| 16:19.05 | kfogel | bartm: thanks. I'm running 'testing', so this could explain why it disappeared. |
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| 16:19.20 | kfogel | bartm: of course, kind of sucks because I totally depended on it to send mail. Oops :-). |
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| 16:21.10 | simonrvn | try stunnel4 |
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| 16:22.24 | kfogel | simonrvn: I went with gnutls-cli, but if you think stunnel4 is better I could switch. |
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| 16:22.40 | simonrvn | nah, just what came to mind |
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| 16:24.20 | dokma | hey guys... I've just enabled hardware acc in Xorg and now my display is offset about half an inch upwards. my monitor has no controls on it - samsung 193p so I don't know how to adjust this thing? |
| 16:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | r0ver, package "acct"? (or apt-cache search "process accounting") |
| 16:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's old, but seems nothing newer came up |
| 16:26.52 | deever | how can i define a bridge without children in the network/interfaces? |
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| 16:28.14 | dokma | is this a monitor issue or is there a way to shift display downwards in xorg.conf? |
| 16:28.23 | xerophyte | how can i check status of hardware raid from shell is it rebuiding for not? |
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| 16:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dokma, xvidtune can change timings and that moves the monitor... doesn't work well though and is potentially dangerous |
| 16:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | the monitor should do that, really |
| 16:29.19 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried that one and it failed |
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| 16:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | xorg modelines wouldn't do anything else than xvidtune |
| 16:30.23 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know of ddccontrol? |
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| 16:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, not until now :) |
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| 16:32.51 | dokma | I tried that one... and something is messed up somewhere |
| 16:34.12 | FabParma | Does Debian or some application to rebuild/refresh the *applications menu links*? At the moment I missing many in my menu, to use them I need to launch via console or manually create link. It is so uncomfortable ;) |
| 16:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont you think that might depend on the WM? |
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| 16:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure how things are supposed to be added |
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| 16:36.50 | simonrvn | update-menus |
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| 16:39.05 | unixp | which yahoo messenger do exist? |
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| 16:42.33 | sparr | what's the lowest overhead easiest-to-configure app I can install to sync my computer clock to a network time server? |
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| 16:42.47 | martb_home | spacepup: ntp |
| 16:42.50 | martb_home | err |
| 16:42.56 | martb_home | sparr: ntp |
| 16:42.59 | cahoot | chrony? |
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| 16:43.45 | bartm | unixp: jabber |
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| 16:46.00 | unixp | does pidigin do too? |
| 16:46.15 | bartm | unixp: no idea |
| 16:46.23 | unixp | which protocol must i choose for yahoo? XMPP? |
| 16:46.46 | sparr | martb_home: the ntp package installs ntpd, which is mostly the opposite of what I am looking for |
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| 16:47.12 | bartm | sparr: maybe you're looking for ntpdate ? |
| 16:47.37 | drith | can anyone tell me is it possible to hardware accelerate flash videos with ATI cards? |
| 16:47.38 | OpenTokix | sparr: ntpd does that, and default it does not listen on any network requests etc. |
| 16:47.54 | amgarching | hi! how do I set UUID for a swap partition? I need device-name independent entry in fstab, actually |
| 16:48.48 | DipSwitch | What option should i select building kernel 2.6.34? I have an AMD Phenom II x4 but should I chose Generic_x86_64 or Optron/Athlon64/etc... |
| 16:48.50 | sparr | bartm: maybe I am. am I? |
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| 16:52.01 | simonrvn | amgarching: file -sk /dev/fooX |
| 16:52.32 | NiLon | can I somehow run a command (as root) that won't be visible to normal users via ps |
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| 16:54.15 | amgarching | simonrvn: magicall "mkswap -L SWAP /dev/sdaX" also sets UUID, not sure why it was not set at installation |
| 16:54.38 | simonrvn | there is one set |
| 16:54.56 | simonrvn | if it was made during install you wouldn't have seen it anyway |
| 16:54.57 | amgarching | blkid didnt show any |
| 16:55.54 | sparr | NiLon: you can use doexec to make something arbitrary show up on ps |
| 16:56.22 | NiLon | will take look at it |
| 16:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | are we giving hints on installing root-kits? |
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| 16:57.48 | simonrvn | amgarching: i remember this happening before with some installs. probably depending on age/what made the swap partition |
| 16:58.03 | NiLon | CutMeOwnThroat if that would be limit of info, this channel would be dead for good |
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| 16:59.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wasn't asking if that was the only information we gave out, but if that was information we generally cherish |
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| 17:01.30 | NiLon | CutMeOwnThroat I don't see point of holding down info if it's not clearly for destroying the world or stuff like that |
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| 17:03.18 | jargon- | a |
| 17:03.23 | jargon- | msg -n |
| 17:03.25 | jargon- | msg n |
| 17:03.31 | jargon- | mesg n |
| 17:03.36 | jargon- | hmm |
| 17:03.38 | jargon- | sorry |
| 17:03.40 | NiLon | jargon- maybe try into console? |
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| 17:03.47 | NiLon | tends to work better |
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| 17:09.00 | unixp | how was the command to see which versoin a program is? |
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| 17:09.27 | bartm | unixp: dpkg -l packagename |
| 17:09.28 | unixp | ok have |
| 17:09.30 | unixp | thx |
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| 17:15.01 | bahadunn | are mail logs handled by logrotate? |
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| 17:15.59 | petemc | bahadunn: exims are |
| 17:16.12 | bahadunn | petemc: how about postfix? |
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| 17:16.37 | petemc | i dont use pastfix, but you could poke around /etc/ and find out easily enough |
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| 17:17.17 | unixp | why cant i save html files in bluefish: "File backup failure" -> continue save "couldnt write file" ... why? |
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| 17:18.06 | bahadunn | unixp: maybe you dont have permissions |
| 17:19.01 | unixp | permissions are 755 |
| 17:20.24 | unixp | mmh |
| 17:21.18 | Bushmills | goes to same logs. /var/log/mail.info and mail.log, by default |
| 17:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | bahadunn: Yes, postfix' logs are handled by logrotate. |
| 17:21.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixp, full disk |
| 17:21.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | etc. etc. |
| 17:21.44 | jhutchins_lt | bahadunn: Generally a package will drop a file into logrotate.d if it needs log maintenance. |
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| 17:24.34 | mms_ | hi I have debian on system. I created partition for xp. I am trying to install xp but it says "no valid system partition found". I have already done mkfs.vfat on the partition for xp. any idea ? |
| 17:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: xp preferrs to be installed first. |
| 17:25.07 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Is the partition marked as bootable? |
| 17:25.15 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: cannot help now ? I already have debian...what to do ? |
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| 17:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Be aware that if you do succeed, windows will overwrite grub. |
| 17:26.21 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Possibly it's the presence of the grub mbr that's preventing it. Been too long, I don't remember what the xp installer tests for, |
| 17:26.24 | jhutchins_lt | . |
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| 17:26.53 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: I would be surprized if you could not find something with a search engine about installing xp to a linux system. |
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| 17:28.40 | reodge | I believe that windows needs to be installed on the first partition on the disk? |
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| 17:29.37 | jhutchins_lt | reodge: Pretty sure you can get around that, NT could. |
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| 17:30.09 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: the linux one has boot * |
| 17:30.10 | d3x | of course you can install windows on non-first partition |
| 17:30.26 | d3x | how else would you want to have 2 different windows installations? :) |
| 17:30.28 | mms_ | should I have to mark linux partitions as inactive ? |
| 17:30.39 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Linux doesn't need to be marked bootable, maybe mark the xp partition bootable? |
| 17:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | d3x: There _are_ different installers for XP that have different requirements. |
| 17:31.16 | reodge | good point, d3x :) |
| 17:31.29 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Need to hit teh google and find out what the installation requirements for XP are. |
| 17:31.33 | reodge | my memory fails me then :P |
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| 17:31.59 | d3x | anyway, windows should be installed on a VM if anywhere :P |
| 17:32.03 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, it's been six years since I ran MS myself. |
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| 17:36.03 | reodge | ahh, I think I was thinking back to windows needing to be on a primary, not logical partition |
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| 17:36.25 | reodge | mms_: is it that you don't have a primary partition free? |
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| 17:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | He appears to have wandered off, but it's a #windows support question anyway. |
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| 17:37.33 | reodge | True, I shouldn't be trying to help people install windows! :P |
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| 17:52.37 | fxiny | !beer bpo |
| 17:52.37 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Piraat for bpo |
| 17:53.19 | fxiny | 2.6.32-bpo fits in my lenny LUKS system |
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| 17:55.11 | fxiny | and oo 3 is pretty faster |
| 17:55.30 | fxiny | time to move to squeeze ? maybe ... |
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| 18:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: We could always use more bughunters. |
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| 18:09.51 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: oh yeah , i just installed it , smooth enough . old pata , i had to play with keys , initramfs like a normal kernel . mine is not a standard LUKS , UUIDS are ok , it could not find grub many cause is on a different hd |
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| 18:10.36 | fxiny | it detected some /dev/hda6 in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume . mot bad at all |
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| 18:10.48 | fxiny | gave me a warning |
| 18:10.52 | fxiny | good job |
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| 18:11.29 | jhutchins_lt | Good, now get that snapshot so you can restore it when it breaks! |
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| 18:12.08 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: double backups : dd and dump |
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| 18:13.56 | unixp_ | how can i change a user to an other usergroup ? |
| 18:14.03 | unixp_ | switch* |
| 18:14.24 | do0ob | Why is the iceweasel version so old? shouldn't we at least be on 3.6 by now? |
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| 18:14.46 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: it started as a cloned etch over a LUKS layer , later upgraded to lenny |
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| 18:15.03 | fxiny | rock solid and good performances |
| 18:15.05 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: luks? |
| 18:15.05 | dpkg | LUKS: Linux Unified Key Setup, a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. For more information, see http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ , http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 and google 'LUKS Debian'. To access on win32 platforms, see http://freeotfe.org/ and ask me about <ext2fsd>. |
| 18:15.31 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: hi I now ran i386\winnt32 and it completed copying installing files steps and put me back on command prompt. what am I supposed to do ? |
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| 18:16.24 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Darned if I know. I run linux. |
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| 18:17.38 | Kyle__ | On a 64bit install, is there a way to request a 32bit version of a package using apt-get? |
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| 18:19.26 | jhutchins | Kyle__: As I understand it, it's not that simple. |
| 18:19.45 | mms__ | jhutchins_lt: hi I now ran i386\winnt32 and it completed copying installing files steps and put me back on command prompt. what am I supposed to do ? |
| 18:19.52 | mms__ | jhutchins_lt: actually setup would not give me install option (grayed out) so I ran i386/winnt32 .....it comes and stops after copying file step. not sure what to do next. |
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| 18:20.10 | jhutchins | Kyle__: You need 32b versions of any dependencies as well. |
| 18:20.11 | Kyle__ | jhutchins: Is this something that needs to be done by downloading the .deb first, and installing it manually? Or still not that simple? |
| 18:20.15 | Kyle__ | nods |
| 18:21.00 | unixp_ | how is the command to give directories the permission chmod a+x ? |
| 18:21.17 | jhutchins | mms_: Being microsoft, I would expect that you need to reboot, but surprizing that it didn't do it itself. |
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| 18:22.02 | mms_ | jhutchins: on reboot I hope it will pick things up....may be in netboot it does not do it itself... |
| 18:22.55 | mms_ | jhutchins: by default it used to show grup menu....now after this copying files step I hope it carries on from here .....and I dont not have to again do things like netboot....hope it has copied all it needed... |
| 18:22.59 | mms_ | let me try reboot... |
| 18:23.43 | mms_ | sucks...it brings up debian... |
| 18:24.12 | mms_ | jhutchins: it did not go into finishing windows xp stuff.... |
| 18:25.05 | mms_ | jhutchins: I checked it put files on c: |
| 18:25.42 | mms_ | jhutchins: but it did not boot into it...grub still took over and put me back into debian... |
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| 18:26.09 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:26.30 | jhutchins | mms_: You are really asking for windows support in the wrong place. Try #windows. |
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| 18:26.56 | jhutchins | mms_: I'm not trying to be unfriendly, we just don't mess with that stuff here. |
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| 18:28.49 | unixp_ | i get to the directory where i want to save a file the permissions with chmod -R a+x .. but i cant save a file why? |
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| 18:29.33 | jordanm | x only allows you to "cd" to the directory, not write to it |
| 18:29.48 | jordanm | !permissions |
| 18:29.49 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 18:36.37 | viz | I successfully set up postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail on my debian server, but i'm not sure how to provide pop3 access to it (for ex. gmail recieves but cannot send through mail.domain.com) |
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| 18:37.05 | petemc | viz: dovecot does pop3 |
| 18:37.26 | petemc | viz: tho im unsure what your example is supposed to explain |
| 18:37.59 | viz | i'm sure it works somehow, as i can send mail through squirrelmail.. i don't know what to put as smtp server in gmail/outlook though |
| 18:38.15 | viz | through other clients i can onlhy recieve, not send |
| 18:38.31 | jordanm | viz: postfix is your SMTP server. you will want to set it up for "authenticated relay" |
| 18:38.51 | viz | thanks, i'll check for that |
| 18:39.27 | rical | anyone using or has used gtmess? |
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| 18:39.30 | jordanm | viz: I have not worked with postfix, but some SMTP servers require an external authentication daemon |
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| 18:44.42 | poincare101 | Hello. I just installed debian on VirtualBox OSE and the font color is a dark blue on black. My eyes will fry and pop out of their sockets if I can't get more contrast because my nose has to touch the screen in order to read anything. How can I change the font color? |
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| 18:46.11 | petemc | poincare101: font colour for what? |
| 18:46.21 | jordanm | poincare101: I am curious... can you post a screen shot? |
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| 18:46.58 | poincare101 | font color for the console. |
| 18:47.04 | poincare101 | the console inside Virtual Box |
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| 18:47.17 | poincare101 | jordanm: sure, but where can I paste the image? |
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| 18:47.46 | Joint | hey i have a question can someone help me out with this i have compaq presario sr1403wm and I'm trying to see what iso to download any help please? |
| 18:47.52 | simonrvn | picpaste.com ? twitpic? |
| 18:49.12 | jordanm | poincare101: ^ |
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| 18:49.17 | jhutchins | poincare101: That would be determined by virtualbox. |
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| 18:49.54 | jhutchins | Joint: i386. We usually recommend the netinstall if your doing a single machine. |
| 18:50.10 | robert83a2 | hello, I've installed debian lenny, I've installed module-assistant, I would like to install xtables-addons-source , but it says no package ( I'm trying to make ipp2p working on debian, used it on gentoo before) |
| 18:50.25 | Joint | jhutchins: i did but the kernel give me an error |
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| 18:50.37 | poincare101 | jordanm: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_9.png |
| 18:50.39 | Joint | so it does not boot up after the install |
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| 18:51.06 | jordanm | poincare101: 3.1!!! |
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| 18:51.19 | Sushiyant | how i can remove pkg and configs |
| 18:51.27 | poincare101 | jordanm: yeah, I have very little space... |
| 18:51.34 | poincare101 | jordanm: its extremely old... |
| 18:51.38 | Joint | jhutchins: in the net install can i install something else? |
| 18:51.42 | jordanm | poincare101: never seen that before, could have been the default when that was released 8 years ago... |
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| 18:51.54 | jordanm | poincare101: you will likely have trouble finding support for that |
| 18:52.01 | jhutchins | Joint: Really can't be much help if you don't tell us what error and where. |
| 18:52.06 | poincare101 | jordanm: its the same on every single operating system you run on VirtualBox (Slackware, Gentoo etc.) |
| 18:52.08 | jordanm | Sushiyant: with aptitude |
| 18:52.24 | Joint | jhutchins: well right now I'm running Freebsd but the kernel just Hangs, and that's about it |
| 18:52.29 | jordanm | poincare101: I have never experienced that, and have been using virtualbox for quite a while |
| 18:52.41 | Sushiyant | jordanm: how? |
| 18:52.50 | Joint | no booting or nothing |
| 18:53.25 | poincare101 | jordanm: ose/ |
| 18:53.31 | jhutchins | Joint: So how do you know it's the kernel not the bootloader? |
| 18:53.52 | qq- | Joint, try #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:54.26 | Joint | jhutchins: because it won't boot i really doubt it that is the bootloader |
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| 18:54.38 | robert83a2 | howdo you install xtables-addons-common on Lenny? |
| 18:54.45 | poincare101 | how do I setup DHCP again as it was done in the installer? |
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| 18:56.15 | craigevil | robert83a2: its only in testing and sid repos, try abckporting it /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:56.16 | jhutchins | !tell poincare101 about dhcp client |
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| 18:58.37 | datacrusher | hello everyone, ill assemble a debian file server and i got a 160gb hard drive, is there a good suggestion for the partition sizes? |
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| 19:00.10 | TheAlien | hi, just installed 5.0.5 on an inspiron 8000 laptop. it doesnt recognize the unusual ethernet. i have a realtek 8187b wifi here. it seems it shouldnt be hard getting either to work *provided* i can apt get over the net, which is exactly the problem! any ideas or am i screwed? |
| 19:00.13 | jordanm | Sushiyant: man aptitude, search for "purge" |
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| 19:01.02 | jordanm | TheAlien: what is the ethernet? |
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| 19:03.12 | TheAlien | jordanm: its a combo modem-ethernet that lspci shows as "agere systems winmodem 56k (rev 01)" |
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| 19:03.47 | mguy | TheAlien: Is it built in, or PC card? |
| 19:03.48 | jordanm | winmodem.... |
| 19:03.53 | jordanm | !winmodem |
| 19:03.53 | dpkg | A Winmodem (or software modem) is a modem with minimal hardware, relying on the host computer to perform most (or all) processing and operational tasks. For device support on Debian systems, ask me about <martian>, <sv92p> (Agere/Lucent); <slmodem> (SmartLink); <mwavem> (IBM Mwave); <pctel> (PCTel); <sm56> (Motorola); <hcf>, <hsf> (Conexant/Rockwell). See also <3com>, <winmodem-trick> http://www.linmodems.org/ |
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| 19:04.14 | craigevil | TheAlien: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x would be a good place to look |
| 19:04.26 | phizz | wow, haven't heard winmodems mentioned in years |
| 19:04.27 | jordanm | TheAlien: there is always a usb stick and dpkg. iirc, you only need the backports kernel for that wifi |
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| 19:05.48 | TheAlien | yes i saw that page, but the procedure there seems to rather reply on already being attached to the internet somehow |
| 19:06.01 | TheAlien | which this machine is most certainly not! |
| 19:06.10 | TheAlien | can i backport the kernel by cd? |
| 19:06.43 | mguy | I would buy a $10 USB wifi adapter that works with linux out of the box and save lots of future headaches ;) |
| 19:06.47 | jhutchins | datacrusher: swap 2x RAM to 2G, the rest for system. |
| 19:07.27 | datacrusher | isnt wise to separate /var /tmp / home? |
| 19:07.40 | TheAlien | mguy: hmm! that might indeed be the best route! anyone have a favorite for debian? |
| 19:07.52 | TheAlien | some background: i found this notebook computer thrown away on the street! i dont believe in such waste ;) |
| 19:08.21 | TheAlien | i figured a piii would make a perfectly good workstation as long as microsoft wasnt involved |
| 19:08.40 | jhutchins | datacrusher: There are some reasons to, but you pretty much guarantee that you will run out of space somewhere while you still have plenty somewhere else. |
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| 19:09.22 | rozie | !java ipv6 |
| 19:09.22 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. This issue is not present on Lenny. |
| 19:09.24 | datacrusher | jhutchins, yeah, thats the main reason im migrating to a new fileserver |
| 19:09.34 | datacrusher | my / just ran out of space |
| 19:09.47 | mguy | TheAlien: some ralink devices are here - http://ralink.rapla.net/ |
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| 19:16.15 | TheAlien | ok well thanks guys :) |
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| 19:18.36 | yareckon_ | hi guys, can anyone suggest a troubleshooting step... one my home network I've setup dbndns (djbdns), and it works fine for the local machine, but dhcp clients on the network don't get help with dns, although they are looking at the right server |
| 19:18.51 | yareckon_ | port 53 doesn't appear to be open says nmap |
| 19:19.02 | yareckon_ | any ideas how to troubleshoot from herer? |
| 19:19.27 | yareckon_ | I'm only using the dnscaching part of dbndns |
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| 19:20.23 | jhutchins | yareckon_: I just run bind on a local server. |
| 19:21.16 | yareckon_ | may try that if I can't sort outwhat is goin on... you have to admit that the relative simplicity of djbdns does have a leg upon bind though :) |
| 19:21.42 | dondelelcaro | not really, actually |
| 19:21.54 | dondelelcaro | installing the Debian packages of bind will "just work" |
| 19:22.09 | dondelelcaro | (and if you just want dns caching, install dnsmasq or similar) |
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| 19:22.40 | yareckon_ | hmmm may check that out |
| 19:22.51 | yareckon_ | thanks for the tip... I |
| 19:23.11 | yareckon_ | 'I'll troubleshoot a bit more and if nothing works, will try something else |
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| 19:31.30 | deever | how can i define a bridge without children in the network/interfaces? |
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| 19:32.25 | ali3n0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.31 | jhutchins | ali3n0: It can't deliver an unreadable file. |
| 19:33.45 | jhutchins | ali3n0: Nor can it execute an unexecutable file. |
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| 19:35.09 | ali3n0 | jhutchins, these are logs: access: "GET /enoveneta/testtest.php HTTP/1.1" 200; error: script 'testtest.php' not found or unable to stat |
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| 19:35.34 | ali3n0 | apache process has no read permission on that file |
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| 19:36.01 | qq- | ali3n0, btw, etch in no more supported (here) |
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| 19:36.21 | jhutchins | qq-: Still, this is basic file permissions. |
| 19:36.38 | jhutchins | ali3n0: How do you expect it to work? |
| 19:37.11 | qq- | ali3n0, upgrade to lenny is the way |
| 19:37.21 | ali3n0 | jhutchins, I expect it to give me a 403 and not a 200 |
| 19:37.24 | andrewm6598 | i seem to be having some trouble with telnetd on my Debian 5.0 installation, every time I go to update a package, the telnetd package won't install and is stuck in limbo, who do I recitfy this? |
| 19:37.34 | ali3n0 | as it does with a regular text file |
| 19:37.59 | jhutchins | ali3n0: But it's not trying to deliver the contents, it's trying to render them. |
| 19:38.05 | jhutchins | ali3n0: Different process. |
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| 19:38.20 | ali3n0 | jhutchins, so you say it's an expected behavior? |
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| 19:40.53 | ali3n0 | jhutchins, thanks I figure it out now |
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| 19:42.16 | bombba | i'm tryning to install xvidcap in debian lenny, but both, apt-get and aptitude can't find a package named 'xvidcap', the debian package info says that one should use synaptic or aptitude to install it, but synaptic can't find it, too, so i've downloaded the sources and solved all the dependencies, but now make says that there was no make file (though there is one), so what is the proper/easy way to install xvidcap in debian lenny? |
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| 19:43.05 | tdn | I would like to practically test the strength of the passwords on my system. So I installed john and some word list packages. Then started john /path/to/shadow-file, but it did not work. I got: No password hashes loaded. What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:43.32 | smv | ,versions xvidcap |
| 19:43.33 | judd | xvidcap -- etch-multimedia: 1.1.4-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.2; sid-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.5; squeeze-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.5 |
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| 19:44.41 | bombba | judd: so what would be the proper way to get it? |
| 19:44.48 | qq- | bombba, /msg dpkg xvidcap |
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| 19:46.26 | jordanm | tdn: you have to "unshadow" it. see the README that came with john as well as man unshadow |
| 19:46.44 | tdn | jordanm, ok. |
| 19:46.45 | jordanm | tdn: I believe that answer is also on their FAQ |
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| 19:47.47 | ali3n0 | qq-, btw I tried on a Lenny box and I get same results. So, if I have a file.php, and it has no read permissions, apache will always return a 200 |
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| 19:49.11 | tdn | jordanm, I just did that. unshadow passwd shadow, but I still get this error No password hashes loaded |
| 19:49.22 | lindi- | bombba: if you want to a free screen capture program you can use recordmydesktop |
| 19:49.25 | tdn | jordanm, upon running it on the unshadowed file. |
| 19:49.44 | qq- | ali3n0, etch has security holes, so why we recommend lenny .. |
| 19:49.55 | lindi- | bombba: afaik xvidcap is not DFSG-free |
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| 19:50.17 | ali3n0 | qq-, yeah I know but sometimes you just can't admin every box you work on ;) |
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| 19:52.55 | qq- | ali3n0, get some reading to your boss about etch state |
| 19:53.22 | qq- | or invite him here .. |
| 19:53.29 | ali3n0 | qq-, it's not my boss' server |
| 19:53.48 | qq- | the owner then. |
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| 19:55.44 | ali3n0 | qq-, someone just don't give a damn. I know it's horrible but, well, sometimes you just can't do any better |
| 19:56.48 | qq- | rm slash all exist ... |
| 19:57.09 | tejota | *fart* |
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| 19:57.27 | sthon | Is it possible to change mount flags on an already mounted file system? |
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| 19:57.45 | sthon | I need to enable usrquota on it, but I can't umount it. |
| 19:58.27 | syslq1 | What is the best "childlish" linux? |
| 19:58.41 | neilk | ubuntu? |
| 19:58.42 | syslq1 | For kids, so very simple and attractive interface with lots fo fun stuf? |
| 19:58.58 | tejota | console ownz |
| 19:58.59 | tejota | :) |
| 19:59.06 | syslq1 | neilk: just coz something works properly out of the box doesnt mean it's childlish |
| 19:59.06 | neilk | that probably depends mostly on what software you install rather than what distro |
| 19:59.28 | syslq1 | tejota: sure it does for 3 year olds |
| 19:59.42 | jhutchins | Possibly edubuntu? This is really for debian support, you might try distrowatch.com |
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| 20:00.02 | syslq1 | Ubuntu is just fine untill you dont attempt to get rid of gnome, :) :) :) |
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| 20:00.11 | neilk | yeah i tried to do that once, yikes |
| 20:00.33 | sthon | syslq1: http://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/linux-for-children.html |
| 20:00.36 | bombba | lindi-: seems that recordmydesktop will do it, too |
| 20:00.49 | syslq1 | Yeah but it's full featured linux desktop anyone can install and work with it. |
| 20:00.52 | syslq1 | sthon: thanks |
| 20:01.00 | sthon | syslq1: np |
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| 20:04.07 | qq- | gcompris , childsplay , junior-desktop |
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| 20:08.54 | cristi8 | something strange is happening.. but it's more linux related than debian.. i have some files in a directory, and want to put in a file all the lines that match a string. here is what is happening: http://codepad.org/7zdXZrLy |
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| 20:09.15 | mar77i | hey guys... strange problem: what file is the error in? http://www.pastie.org/1033228 |
| 20:09.39 | cristi8 | my file is growing bigger and bigger |
| 20:10.44 | neilk | cristi8: can you paste an ls -l of the directory? |
| 20:11.32 | neilk | might you have another process writing ti f? |
| 20:11.34 | neilk | to |
| 20:11.52 | cristi8 | omg, fixed.. the output file was in the same dir, and it was also processed by cat and written to by grep |
| 20:12.01 | neilk | called it! |
| 20:12.07 | neilk | heh |
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| 20:14.35 | jordanm | mar77i: adding set -x to the shell script would be much better for debugging than an strace |
| 20:14.54 | mar77i | jordanm: look at the invocation line 1 -- fun thing, I found it :) |
| 20:16.06 | tharkun | After poking a lot with postfix and tumgreyspf I think i found a bug in it. I don't know how to pin point it, can someone give me a hand? |
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| 20:17.02 | jordanm | tharkun: just ask your question |
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| 20:17.19 | tharkun | How do i pin point a bug in tumgreyspf? |
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| 20:18.02 | b0nghitter | anyone use vpopmail? |
| 20:18.15 | jordanm | tharkun: being a user, you don't have to. If you are fairly certain that the issue is not due to your own configuration, I would say just report it |
| 20:18.28 | jordanm | b0nghitter: qmail on debian now? |
| 20:19.17 | b0nghitter | jordan i got my new box up if u want root |
| 20:20.06 | tharkun | jordanm: Ok how do i give the most information usefull for the parties involved. I am sure a doesn't work report or a it breaks my email server is not usefull at all |
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| 20:21.31 | jordanm | tharkun: you could start with a troubleshooting session the debian-user ML. if it does not solve your issue, it will atleast give you a better understanding of the problem |
| 20:22.04 | jordanm | tharkun: also, you can email the maintainer (without a bug report), and ask him basically what you just asked the channel. their helpfullness varies |
| 20:22.51 | tharkun | jordanm: I'll go for the latter, my avalitiy to cope with mailing lists is ... bad to say the least. |
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| 20:23.57 | tharkun | The thing that puzzles me the most is that i have a different server runing flawlessly. jordanm thx for your time and patience |
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| 20:26.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is happening here? http://pastebin.com/rdNH03yu |
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| 20:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually tried to unmount because there were already weird things happening on that drive |
| 20:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | (don't comment on the useless use of cat) |
| 20:28.13 | Dominicus | How do I resolve half-configured packages that get stuck during install? |
| 20:28.25 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: you fix whatever is keeping them from being configured |
| 20:29.20 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: what does /proc/mtab say? |
| 20:29.31 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: err, /proc/mounts |
| 20:30.30 | Dominicus | dondelelcaro: Is there a log file that would point the problems out to me, or should I just expect them to be displayed on the screen. For example... "dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-6-amd64 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 255". How do I determine what that problem is? |
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| 20:31.22 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: the postinst script failed; normally it'll tell you above that what happened |
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| 20:32.27 | polerin | anyone have an idea where to start diagnosing why I'm getting slow redraws while scrolling in xorg 1.4.2, on a ati 3100 (both with the catalyst and distro drivers)? |
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| 20:33.49 | polerin | I'm getting a humming from the tower when I scroll. |
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| 20:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, shows it |
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| 20:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | /groups.ad.wcas.northwestern.edu/lewis-lab/ /home/k/weinberg cifs rw,mand,nosuid,nodev,relatime,unc=\\groups.ad.wcas.northwestern.edu\lewis-lab,username=ksi564,uid=1000,forceuid,gid=1000,forcegid,addr=129.105.3.82,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755,serverino,rsize=16384,wsize=57344 0 0 |
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| 20:38.36 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: hrm... that doesn't look like a fuse mount |
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| 20:41.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, I used smbmount as a regular user - afaik that uses (must use, as I don't have any fstab entry) fuse? |
| 20:41.28 | |Frederik | How do you use nspluginwrapper on debian for running flash on amd64? It requires 32 bit libnss3.so but I cannot find this in 64 bit repo at first sight |
| 20:42.01 | |Frederik | that should be libssl3.so |
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| 20:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, seems you're right |
| 20:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I was just confusing this with the sshfs mounts I had... |
| 20:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks |
| 20:44.22 | niklaswe | hmm if i will install debian 64bit on asus eee pc 1000H via pxeboot which kernel/img will i use.. i downloaded amd64 but that was wrong :/ |
| 20:45.23 | |Frederik | niklawse: try 32 bit. Only latet atom cpus are 64 bit |
| 20:45.34 | karlpinc | niklaswe: Is it an arm cpu? |
| 20:45.38 | neilk | eee 1000h doesn't have a 64-bit cpu |
| 20:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would not have thought of that :) I was _so_ convinced that was a fuse-mount... I never considered it could not be |
| 20:46.45 | beardy | niklaswe: #debian-eeepc on OFTC, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 20:47.21 | niklaswe | beardy: ty will look there |
| 20:47.40 | niklaswe | neilk: yes it has 64-bit support |
| 20:48.17 | b0nghitter | slaps segfault around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:48.18 | neilk | are you sure? it's supposed to have an Atom N270 processor which is not 64-bit |
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| 20:49.00 | joelmob | hey how do i install a java 6 server in debian linux |
| 20:49.52 | niklaswe | neilk: hmm im almost sure :P and you have right :P it doesn't have any 64 :( |
| 20:50.21 | karlpinc | joelmob: What do you mean "server"? Java is a language. |
| 20:50.34 | joelmob | java for server applications |
| 20:50.52 | niklaswe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.23 | joelmob | isnt that a plugin for apache? |
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| 20:51.50 | niklaswe | joelmob: no |
| 20:52.13 | karlpinc | joelmob: aptitude search ~Gjava~Gdevel::runtime will give you a choice of java runtimes. You then need to install something else that actually runs. |
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| 20:53.00 | Dominicus | Might someone know what the next step in resolving this package installation problem? http://pastebin.com/B52a6QJr |
| 20:53.35 | niklaswe | joelmob: just must run tomcat or jboss, and when you have setup tomcat or jboss you can configure so apache is front-end for your tomcat |
| 20:53.37 | joelmob | is a runtime something that will compile my code too? |
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| 20:55.43 | runa | heyas. I'm kind of lost a week ago, the usage of the swap (blocks read/written) increased but the amount of used swap decreased. I see other 'weird' behavior in my munin reports, but I don' |
| 20:55.53 | runa | 't really understand what's going on |
| 20:58.02 | karlpinc | runa: You need less swap, but need it more often. |
| 20:58.10 | Bushmills | runa: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness may have been changed |
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| 20:58.59 | runa | Bushmills: I changed it (decreased) but days later; maybe I should raise it again? |
| 20:59.21 | karlpinc | Dominicus: Check your sources.list to see if it's sane? |
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| 21:00.06 | Bushmills | runa: change it if you're not happy with it. there is no "should" - and it answers why swap usage of your system changed |
| 21:00.29 | Bushmills | though you could have thought of that yourself |
| 21:00.48 | HackeMate | hello, is there a way to convert dmg to iso? |
| 21:01.01 | runa | Bushmills: :) I'm almost sure this changed 'before' I 'tuned' swapiness |
| 21:01.04 | runa | but I'll check |
| 21:01.05 | karlpinc | HackeMate: Mount it and use mkisofs? |
| 21:01.26 | karlpinc | HackeMate: (I've no idea how to mount it.) |
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| 21:01.46 | HackeMate | to mount it is neccesary hsplus, or something like that |
| 21:01.54 | HackeMate | and i am not really sure if my kernel supports this |
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| 21:02.01 | HackeMate | i just want it for a virtual machine |
| 21:02.08 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: dmg2iso? |
| 21:02.22 | HackeMate | yes... that was i seek in google, but no download available |
| 21:02.30 | HackeMate | just many people talking about a perl script that i dont find |
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| 21:02.49 | runa | Bushmills: but how does swapiness plays with cached blocks? ie, I still have 2.8GB of 'cached |
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| 21:04.10 | karlpinc | Will bad things happen if I run more than one copy of iceweasel? I'm thinking I want my regular browser to run, and then at times I want to do secure things like go to the bank. It seems sane to have an entirely separate process to avoid problems, but what will it do to my preferences etc? What's the best way to solve this problem? |
| 21:04.13 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: http://www.blinkenlights.ch/gnupod/dmg2iso.pl |
| 21:04.25 | Bushmills | what's the problem with memory used for caching? what would you want to use it for instead? |
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| 21:04.36 | HackeMate | oh! it works |
| 21:04.37 | HackeMate | thanks |
| 21:04.41 | HackeMate | how did you find it so fast? |
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| 21:05.05 | jhutchins_lt | I'm good. |
| 21:05.10 | Dominicus | karlpinc: How do I check to see if it's sane? I haven't changed it in weeks. And when I do a "sudo aptitude update" I get no errors being generated as though there was a problem. |
| 21:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, so you can look forward to christmas... |
| 21:05.22 | karlpinc | HackeMate: I always go to freshmeat.net. YMMV. |
| 21:05.22 | runa | Bushmills: I'm perfectly fine w/ the cache, but I don't understand why the kernel is swapping memory that was soon used afterwards (I thought swappiness entered into play when there was no more free+cached memory) |
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| 21:05.46 | HackeMate | oh, good tip, thanks |
| 21:05.49 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: Also at sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dmg2iso |
| 21:06.13 | Bushmills | no, not only then, but before it gets to that point |
| 21:06.15 | karlpinc | Dominicus: I suppose you could pastebin it. |
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| 21:06.45 | HackeMate | i followed some dmg2iso at sourceforge and i thought it were for windows |
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| 21:07.31 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: Actually, that one looks like it's for osx, which also has hdiutil |
| 21:07.34 | Bushmills | swappiness gives you a setup possibilty with which you can choose whether you want to wait for memory to be freed when really needed, or mem having been freed already before you actually need it |
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| 21:08.06 | Bushmills | on demand vs speculative, you could say |
| 21:08.13 | HackeMate | ah |
| 21:08.47 | HackeMate | yes, its for mac, that's what i found before |
| 21:08.48 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: You'll probably want to check the perl script and see what it calls. |
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| 21:09.10 | Dominicus | karlpinc: my /etc/apt/sources.list http://pastebin.com/nPpGJjQ4 |
| 21:09.13 | HackeMate | i modified its headers to find the perl executable, but anyway says PropertyList is corrupted |
| 21:09.26 | HackeMate | im checking this, i really dont think its being corrupted |
| 21:09.26 | Jhiaxuss | can u add regular firefox to debian? |
| 21:09.30 | HackeMate | is a 7gb file though |
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| 21:09.43 | HackeMate | iceweasel is firefox Jhiaxuss |
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| 21:10.16 | Jhiaxuss | ahh |
| 21:10.32 | Jhiaxuss | they just took firefox and edited it basically |
| 21:10.50 | Bushmills | !firefox |
| 21:10.51 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 21:10.56 | HackeMate | some redistribution rule, or something like that |
| 21:12.02 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: I also find a reference that says it _is_ an iso file, you can try mounting it with mount -o loop disk.dmg /mnt/cdrom |
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| 21:17.01 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: This (and other references) say it may be compressed with zlib: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343808 and you'll need libcompress-zlib-perl for the script. |
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| 21:17.38 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: Let me know if you get it working. |
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| 21:19.56 | HackeMate | i was trying the mount -o, it required to specify the fs system so i installed hfsplus and used mount -t hfsplus, but still fails |
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| 21:22.35 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I'm guessing some are compressed and some aren't. |
| 21:23.38 | jhutchins_lt | hfsplus should mount hfs. |
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| 21:25.04 | bagoor | On package description of linux-image-2.6-xen-686 is written "old style Xen support". What is the new style ? |
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| 21:25.04 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: This (and other references) say it may be compressed with zlib: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343808 and you'll need libcompress-zlib-perl for the script. |
| 21:25.04 | jhutchins_lt | Oops. |
| 21:25.24 | HackeMate | :) |
| 21:26.44 | HackeMate | that scripts gives me the same error message as befre, propertylist is corrupted |
| 21:27.00 | HackeMate | may be not a proper dmg file or is too new to that file |
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| 21:28.52 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly corrupted, and you probably don't have an md5sum for the original. |
| 21:30.32 | HackeMate | nope, but i guess i can find it from the websie |
| 21:30.39 | HackeMate | website, if not i will redownload this |
| 21:30.53 | HackeMate | finally i will be forced to buy a macbook, omg |
| 21:32.04 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: Build a hackentosh! |
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| 21:32.39 | HackeMate | always fails something, like wifi |
| 21:32.59 | HackeMate | i already tried few time ago with an asus eeepc |
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| 21:35.44 | tharkun | HackeMate: there is also a #debian-es you might as well feel more comfortable there |
| 21:36.05 | karlpinc | Dominicus: I see you're running squeeze. Maybe check the bug tracking system? |
| 21:36.20 | HackeMate | i want learn english, sorry if it is too bad :( |
| 21:36.47 | tharkun | HackeMate: there is a ##english just for that |
| 21:36.58 | HackeMate | yes im in it too |
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| 21:37.57 | qq- | karlpinc, he got the right answer ;) 23:20<Jordan_U> Dominicus: Install grub-pc and grub-common from unstable |
| 21:39.01 | sthon | Does anyone know of a way to specify the source address in telnet? *BSD has a -s src_addr flag but I don't see anything in debian =( |
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| 21:40.25 | karlpinc | sthon: Use nc instead? |
| 21:40.34 | sthon | karlpinc: nc? |
| 21:40.44 | karlpinc | sthon: nc is netcat. |
| 21:40.51 | sthon | ah |
| 21:41.13 | deever | how can i define a bridge without children in the network/interfaces? |
| 21:41.20 | neilk | nc isn't telnet |
| 21:41.33 | sthon | it'll do though |
| 21:41.40 | sthon | karlpinc: thanks. |
| 21:41.40 | neilk | telnet -b <source> <deste> should work |
| 21:41.51 | karlpinc | neilk: No, but it should be able to be made to be telnet-like. Especially if you pipe stdin from cat -. |
| 21:42.29 | karlpinc | neilk: *doh!* |
| 21:43.02 | neilk | you could probably use nc to make a tunnel that you could telnet into |
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| 21:46.24 | robert83a2 | hello, on debian if I want to run some scripts on booting, I put them in the end of /etc/init.d/boomisc.sh ? (I'm not sure) |
| 21:46.29 | robert83a2 | bootmisc.sh |
| 21:47.05 | qq- | deever, why asking that ? |
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| 21:49.03 | puty | hi. Some command to view system time up? |
| 21:49.09 | puty | thanks |
| 21:49.09 | robert83a2 | top |
| 21:49.16 | bzed | puty: uptime? |
| 21:49.16 | robert83a2 | puty : top |
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| 21:49.39 | bzed | puty: or w |
| 21:50.27 | puty | thanks uptime is great |
| 21:50.55 | deever | qq-: because i want to have an empty bridge ifupped automatically at boot? |
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| 21:51.30 | qq- | deever, add a fake interface then |
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| 21:51.47 | qq- | eth0:1 |
| 21:51.57 | dwlocks | howdy. Anyone know the dpkg --force-all behavior regarding confnew, confold and confdef? |
| 21:52.30 | qq- | man dpkg ? |
| 21:52.49 | dwlocks | yeah, man dpkg says force-all sets all force options. |
| 21:52.56 | dwlocks | but those three force options conflict. |
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| 21:53.37 | dwlocks | I couldn't come up with successful google search terms. |
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| 21:54.59 | puty | any slovak over here? :-) |
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| 21:55.43 | puty | no much :-) |
| 21:56.06 | jhutchins_lt | deever: What are you trying to bridge? |
| 21:56.27 | dwlocks | puty, no but one of my friends is Hungarian. does that count? |
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| 21:57.11 | krisfremen | anyone knows of a cli lunisolar calendar? |
| 21:58.04 | puty | dwlocks :-) is near but i need someone who speak slovak. |
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| 21:58.41 | dwlocks | oh. Too bad my friend is actually in Hungary. She probably does. She speaks *lots* of languages. oh well. |
| 21:58.56 | puty | someone to help me with debiansk.com web page. :-) |
| 21:59.07 | bzed | dwlocks: the manpage says: when --force-confdef is set together with one of the other options, the default action is chosen |
| 21:59.13 | bzed | dwlocks: reading helps. |
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| 21:59.40 | dwlocks | bzed: that doesn't state what --force-all sets. |
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| 22:02.08 | bzed | dwlocks: ⦠all of them. |
| 22:02.26 | bzed | dwlocks: exactly what it says. |
| 22:02.40 | dwlocks | bzed: --force-confnew --force-confold and --force-confdef conflict. |
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| 22:03.12 | bzed | dwlocks: maybe --force-confnew and --force-confold, but not these two with --force-confdef |
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| 22:03.57 | dwlocks | bzed: how does confdef resolve a conflict when forcenew and forceold are given. |
| 22:04.04 | puty | ok mans good night. I promise I will improve my English. |
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| 22:04.37 | bzed | dwlocks: confnew and confold use the default action if confdef is given |
| 22:04.42 | greyfiend | Hi, i'm installing debian on a powerbook G4, having trouble with X starting and the tutes i've found say i need to get the benh kernel which is no longer availible? can anyone shed any light on this? |
| 22:04.45 | bzed | dwlocks: thats the only thing that makes sense here |
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| 22:06.10 | jhutchins_lt | greyfiend: isn't that an intell? |
| 22:06.22 | greyfiend | jh: nope ppc |
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| 22:06.26 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 22:06.36 | jhutchins_lt | greyfiend: I thought we had a ppc release. |
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| 22:06.39 | dwlocks | bzed: and if no default is set and all 3 options are set, you should be prompted? |
| 22:06.44 | greyfiend | jh: you sure do |
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| 22:07.02 | jhutchins_lt | greyfiend: We, I'm just a fellow user, like almost everyone here. |
| 22:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | greyfiend: I would be suspicious of third-party kernels as solutions. They should be mainstreamed if they're good. |
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| 22:08.13 | greyfiend | jh: We. check. yes i don't seem to be finding any uptodate howto's for ppc installation |
| 22:08.28 | jhutchins_lt | X is mostly NOT related to the kernel, what you most likely need are the proper video card drivers. |
| 22:08.54 | chovy | i get package not found for 'apt-get install sun-java6-jdk' |
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| 22:10.25 | ZitZ | chovy, make sure you have non-free and contrib enabled |
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| 22:11.01 | chovy | ZitZ: how do i do that? |
| 22:11.02 | greyfiend | hmm is there a nvidia driver for ppc? maybe not. |
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| 22:11.28 | jhutchins_lt | greyfiend: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/powerpc/ |
| 22:11.36 | ZitZ | well, you know about the sources.list file? |
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| 22:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | !tell chovy about java |
| 22:12.08 | sandman | Is Debian still on that regular dist freeze schedule? |
| 22:12.29 | jhutchins_lt | sandman: As far as I know it's never been a schedule, it's a set of quality standards. |
| 22:12.50 | sandman | They set a regular release schedule under the advisement of Mark Shuttleworth, last I read. |
| 22:12.54 | ZitZ | I thought they were going to switch to a timed release schedule now |
| 22:13.27 | jhutchins_lt | I sure hope not. |
| 22:13.46 | ZitZ | me too |
| 22:13.55 | sandman | Well, that's what happened, afaik. It's why a lot of people are moving away from Debian, now =) But those are just users, I suppose. Don't really matter. I was mostly curious as to how the devs like it. |
| 22:13.57 | PinkFreud | there was talk of it, but I don't think the timed release schedule ever came about |
| 22:13.58 | jhutchins_lt | There's a major distro that did that, released three unusable releases and is in serious trouble. |
| 22:14.24 | sandman | Yeah. Debian was my favorite distro until I read that they did that. |
| 22:14.39 | sandman | Then I moved to Fedora. |
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| 22:14.42 | PinkFreud | sandman: and yet, it hasn't happened :) |
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| 22:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | sandman: Everything I've read since I started using Debian says it's standards based, not scheduled. |
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| 22:15.09 | ZitZ | People are moving away from debian? |
| 22:15.28 | sandman | Around here anyway, yes. |
| 22:15.37 | sandman | time-based schedules generally mean less quality. |
| 22:15.41 | jhutchins_lt | (Besides, since when do we listen to Shuttleworth, he's Ubuntu, not Debian.) |
| 22:15.45 | PinkFreud | ZitZ: sure, on occasion. I don't think the distro is seeing a mass exodus, though |
| 22:15.53 | sandman | If I wanted crap, I'd use Gentoo or Red Hat =) Which is what I'm using now. |
| 22:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | sandman: I don't really think you've got a clue what you're talking about. |
| 22:16.13 | ZitZ | lol |
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| 22:16.40 | sandman | jhutchins_lt: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 22:16.41 | ZitZ | well, Debian has never been hot and trendy, and I know there was definitely talk of moving to timed releases |
| 22:16.44 | jhutchins_lt | There might be a schedule between freeze and release. |
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| 22:17.32 | e-motion | hello |
| 22:18.30 | ZitZ | hi |
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| 22:19.30 | e-motion | I have a home server and once a year it hangs, HDD led is solid ON, does not respond to anything, when logging in remotely it asks for credentials but no further interaction |
| 22:19.46 | e-motion | after a forced restart, I found this in system log: |
| 22:19.46 | sandman | There's a schedule for the freeze, afaik. When they release is up to them. |
| 22:19.47 | e-motion | http://i.imgur.com/FKjj9.jpg |
| 22:20.09 | ZitZ | sounds like something died |
| 22:20.13 | jhutchins_lt | sandman: As far as I know it never happened, but I'm not on the dev team. I've never heard someone who is mention it, and it certainly hasn't affected any quality control - not like we'd see the difference on a two-year schedule. Going to a distro with a scheduled release in anticipation of problems is dumber than I think most competent linux users are. |
| 22:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | If you're right, squeeze will freeze in December 2011, but there's still a betting pool, which I wouldn't think would exist if it were on a schedule. |
| 22:20.56 | sandman | jhutchins_lt: Well, you tell me that when you've used as many linux distributions as I have over the course of 15 years. |
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| 22:21.00 | jhutchins_lt | !squeezepool |
| 22:21.06 | jhutchins_lt | !squeezebet |
| 22:21.19 | jhutchins_lt | sandman: I allready did. |
| 22:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze bet |
| 22:21.33 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 22:21.41 | ZitZ | e-motion, what do you mean by once a year? |
| 22:21.59 | e-motion | that it is very rare. |
| 22:22.08 | sandman | jhutchins_lt: Doesn't sound like it to me. |
| 22:22.15 | e-motion | a year or two back, this was happening maybe once a month |
| 22:22.24 | ZitZ | so you've had this problem before? |
| 22:22.28 | e-motion | yes |
| 22:22.32 | ZitZ | it sounds like the hard drive is dying |
| 22:22.54 | e-motion | I can't recall what I have done to fix this, but I think I have reinstalled it |
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| 22:23.08 | e-motion | well, SMART does not show anything bad |
| 22:23.25 | ZitZ | really?, that's interesting |
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| 22:23.59 | ZitZ | it sounds like some sort of hard lock up for sure |
| 22:24.46 | e-motion | could you please remind me how to check smart log, I checked it a while ago |
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| 22:25.08 | ZitZ | yeah, I don't remember off the top of my head |
| 22:25.19 | e-motion | same here |
| 22:25.33 | e-motion | I remember I installed something to check it |
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| 22:25.57 | e-motion | smartmontools, ok |
| 22:26.09 | ZitZ | yeah, that's what you need installed |
| 22:26.22 | ZitZ | i don't have that installed on any of my machines right now |
| 22:26.49 | greyfiend | apt-get can't find firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 22:27.05 | PinkFreud | sadly, I've already seen hardware which lenny doesn't support. :( |
| 22:27.18 | ZitZ | greyfriend, do you have contrib and non-free repositories enabled? |
| 22:27.39 | e-motion | here it is, the smart log: |
| 22:27.40 | e-motion | http://pastebin.com/FDJq9Pp1 |
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| 22:28.29 | e-motion | It's powered on for total of 3,5 years |
| 22:28.45 | greyfiend | Zitz, yes i think so but it doesn't seem to be taking effect, maybe i've missed something. |
| 22:28.55 | chovy | there are two lines in sources.list -- should i add non-free to both? |
| 22:29.14 | ZitZ | yeah, it won't hurt if you do, chovy |
| 22:29.16 | chovy | deb + db-src |
| 22:29.17 | chovy | ? |
| 22:29.18 | chovy | ok |
| 22:29.23 | ZitZ | greyfriend, did you apt-get update |
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| 22:30.12 | ZitZ | yeah, chovy, those two different lines, one is for the binary packages and the other is for source |
| 22:30.31 | ZitZ | if you don't expect to be downloading packages and building from sources then you can comment that out without problem |
| 22:31.04 | greyfiend | zitz, yup |
| 22:32.42 | ZitZ | hmmm, mind posting the sources.list? |
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| 22:34.51 | b0nghitter | can i limit a specific users traffic to a certain M/Kbit/s |
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| 22:35.38 | ZitZ | you can do that in some routers |
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| 22:37.03 | greyfiend | zitz it's on another computer to the one i'm typing on... |
| 22:37.44 | deever | jhutchins_lt: virtualbox should add its interfaces to a bridge instead of eth0, but this bridge must exist before running vbox |
| 22:37.59 | bintut | waves |
| 22:38.05 | bintut | i need help here.. i don't know why xend on dom0 doesn't work.. kindly check => http://www.pastie.org/1033480 |
| 22:38.11 | ZitZ | well, greyfriend, you could always download the package off of the debian website, and bring it over to the other computer with a flash drive |
| 22:38.13 | jhutchins_lt | !b-e |
| 22:38.14 | dpkg | i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 22:38.28 | ZitZ | i don't think the firmware package has many dependencies |
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| 22:40.06 | b0nghitter | ZitZ i can do it in freebsd with ipfw+dummynet |
| 22:40.09 | greyfiend | zitz, it'd be nice not to have to though, i've got 'deb http:/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free' in the file though, that ought to do it eh? |
| 22:40.18 | b0nghitter | i figure debian has something similar |
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| 22:40.50 | b0nghitter | traffic queues etc |
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| 22:41.01 | b0nghitter | shaping |
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| 22:41.27 | b0nghitter | lol limewire? |
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| 22:42.00 | carlitos__ | hi all |
| 22:42.06 | carlitos__ | I have this error E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
| 22:42.21 | carlitos__ | I can not update or upgrade |
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| 22:42.34 | carlitos__ | and everything is shutting down |
| 22:42.40 | carlitos__ | any help ? |
| 22:42.49 | ZitZ | It could, b0nghitter, I'm just not sure of how |
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| 22:44.17 | ZitZ | greyfriend, that looks right |
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| 22:47.03 | carlitos__ | any help Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 187: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val == 7' failed! ? |
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| 22:48.05 | ZitZ | e-motion, I don't know if there is anything wrong with that smart log |
| 22:48.12 | ZitZ | doesn't look like it to me |
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| 22:48.44 | Zatcharius | Any idea why 'apt-get install mpd' is pulling X11 libs? |
| 22:49.09 | ZitZ | lol, no idea |
| 22:49.35 | Zatcharius | It's a headless server, so it's not really wanted... |
| 22:50.18 | ZitZ | yeah, i understand, i wouldn't want it either on a headless server |
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| 22:50.34 | ZitZ | go to debian.org/packages and look at the dependencies |
| 22:50.41 | e-motion | ZitZ, to me its all good |
| 22:50.51 | e-motion | problem is somewhere else |
| 22:51.04 | ZitZ | e-motion, it really sounds like something is freezing, bad mobo? |
| 22:51.27 | kjs__ | evening |
| 22:51.49 | e-motion | hm. |
| 22:51.59 | e-motion | hi kjs__ |
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| 22:52.20 | e-motion | that PC is very old, P3... |
| 22:52.32 | unixp | i want to open my created file volume on trueCrypt. But i get this message : No such file or directory: |
| 22:52.32 | unixp | nautilus |
| 22:52.41 | unixp | what must i do? or install? |
| 22:52.58 | ZitZ | i mean, doubt it's a software problem, e-motion |
| 22:53.07 | e-motion | I see |
| 22:53.18 | e-motion | ok, will keep it in mind |
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| 22:53.34 | ZitZ | and it is tough to diagnose a hardware problem like that through irc |
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| 22:53.54 | e-motion | I will run memtest one day |
| 22:54.09 | e-motion | the problem is I can't keep it offline for long |
| 22:54.22 | ZitZ | that's a good idea too, but memtest takes forever if you have tons of memory |
| 22:55.28 | e-motion | only 512MB, this is a maximum for that mobo |
| 22:56.49 | e-motion | great pc otherwise, DELL optiplex gx110 |
| 22:56.59 | e-motion | draws only 30 Watts |
| 22:57.25 | ZitZ | makes a good server then |
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| 22:59.58 | e-motion | by the way, how long does this page take to load? |
| 22:59.58 | e-motion | http://e-motion.lt/ |
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| 23:00.33 | ZitZ | pretty quick |
| 23:00.38 | allisterb | hi on lenny it seems that the entries in my resolv.conf are being overwritten by the DHCP client - how do I tell DHCP to leave existing nameservers in resolv.conf? |
| 23:01.14 | lindi- | allisterb: you can configure dhclient.conf to supersede your settings |
| 23:01.21 | e-motion | ZitZ, where are you located (country)? |
| 23:01.28 | ZitZ | USA |
| 23:01.32 | e-motion | ok, thanks |
| 23:01.42 | e-motion | good to know it's fast overseas |
| 23:02.40 | ElectRo` | whats on dvds 2-5 for debian, local repo mirrors? |
| 23:03.23 | lindi- | ElectRo`: dvd 1 is a "mirror" just like dvds 2-5 are |
| 23:06.15 | greyfiend | still appears that nonfree repos is not being implemented any way to test this? |
| 23:06.59 | ZitZ | go into synaptic, see if any packages are listed as being in non-free |
| 23:07.03 | jordanm | greyfiend: implemented? |
| 23:07.08 | jordanm | ZitZ: not everyone has synaptic |
| 23:07.17 | ZitZ | true, but that's what i would do |
| 23:07.19 | jordanm | greyfiend: "apt-cache policy" |
| 23:07.23 | greyfiend | jordan, no gui yet, only cli |
| 23:07.45 | ZitZ | yeah, then jordanm, is right, you need apt-cache policy |
| 23:08.04 | greyfiend | i've got some non-free in there. |
| 23:08.25 | jordanm | greyfiend: is there a more specific issue you are having? |
| 23:08.50 | greyfiend | apt-get can't find firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:09.14 | syslq1 | By what is kernel being decompressed durring boot? |
| 23:09.38 | syslq1 | greyfiend: you have non free repo enabled? |
| 23:09.49 | ZitZ | tried that |
| 23:09.56 | lindi- | syslq1: depends on architecture, boot loader |
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| 23:10.02 | jordanm | greyfiend: did you run update after adding it to your sources? |
| 23:10.09 | ZitZ | tried that |
| 23:10.10 | jordanm | greyfiend: eg. aptitude update |
| 23:10.15 | lindi- | syslq1: I think |
| 23:10.32 | greyfiend | jordan yup tried that |
| 23:10.45 | syslq1 | lindi-: aha so actually boot loader copys it into kernel and uncompresses it and than it executes. Well it can not be anything else at least I dont see it :) |
| 23:11.04 | syslq1 | lindi-: I meant copys kernel into ram and uncompresses it |
| 23:11.16 | lindi- | syslq1: kernel can contain uncompressed payload too |
| 23:11.23 | jordanm | ,versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:11.25 | judd | firmware-linux-nonfree -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.24~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.25; sid/non-free: 0.26 |
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| 23:11.37 | syslq1 | lindi-: you mean it can be uncompressed? |
| 23:11.49 | ZitZ | duh, it's not in lenny |
| 23:11.49 | jordanm | greyfiend: that is only in backports non-free, and I *assume* only applies to the backports kernel |
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| 23:12.04 | ZitZ | i knew it was something obvious |
| 23:12.07 | lindi- | syslq1: partly |
| 23:12.16 | bagoor | On package description of linux-image-2.6-xen-686 (Debian) is written "old style Xen support". What is the new style ? |
| 23:12.24 | lindi- | syslq1: you just need the decompression code |
| 23:12.44 | syslq1 | lindi-: ah you mean it's partly decompresed and that part knows how to decompress compressed shit |
| 23:12.45 | lindi- | syslq1: see strings /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) |grep -i compre |
| 23:12.52 | jordanm | !tell greyfiend about bpo |
| 23:13.31 | ZitZ | just use squeeze |
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| 23:13.59 | greyfiend | I think i'll just use squeeze :) |
| 23:14.02 | jordanm | ZitZ: that is really the approach you would take to that? |
| 23:14.13 | jordanm | greyfiend: that is far from the obvious solution |
| 23:14.20 | ZitZ | yeah |
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| 23:14.35 | ZitZ | you seriously like messing around with bacports? |
| 23:14.43 | jordanm | ZitZ: why not just use the one intended for lenny? |
| 23:14.52 | jordanm | ZitZ: yes, thats what its there for |
| 23:14.54 | nsadmin | when I can stay with stable, yes |
| 23:14.57 | jordanm | !tell ZitZ about moving target |
| 23:15.02 | greyfiend | ok what would you suggest in order to get non-free nvidia driver for ppc running? |
| 23:15.07 | ZitZ | i know all about moving target |
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| 23:15.27 | ZitZ | testing is completely stable |
| 23:15.34 | ZitZ | never had it break |
| 23:15.38 | jordanm | greyfiend: if it requires that package, you need to enable backports non-free, although, the i386 and amd64 nvidia drivers do not require that |
| 23:15.39 | nsadmin | ZitZ: ok, so you therefore know you're suggesting a moving target to someone here |
| 23:15.48 | ZitZ | of course |
| 23:15.56 | jordanm | ZitZ: not by debian's definition of "stable" |
| 23:16.00 | ZitZ | when i was starting out, i wish someone suggested it to me sooner |
| 23:16.08 | jordanm | ZitZ: works for me != stable |
| 23:16.36 | ZitZ | figuring out debian in the days when sarge was stable was not easy |
| 23:16.52 | nsadmin | as long as they understand the implications of that, it's fine, but that will almost never be true of a new user |
| 23:17.08 | jordanm | ZitZ: it is fine that you prefer that way, but please do not recommend it to others, especially newer users |
| 23:17.20 | ZitZ | why you say that? |
| 23:17.29 | ZitZ | why do we think new users are stupid? |
| 23:17.45 | greyfiend | I was hoping to put a stable release on, otherwise i would have just used arch. So the other option is to use backports right? |
| 23:17.48 | jordanm | they are not stupid... they are obviously inexperienced |
| 23:17.56 | nsadmin | we don't. but you can't expect them to understand debian at a deep level |
| 23:18.04 | nsadmin | having said that... |
| 23:18.05 | ZitZ | he obviously knows what he is talking about? |
| 23:18.22 | qq- | greyfiend, nvidia for ppc ? ask #nvidia |
| 23:18.37 | nsadmin | if they are new but they're used to something like linux from scratch, that's partially a different story |
| 23:18.37 | jordanm | qq-: nvidia will not be doing it the "debian way" |
| 23:18.56 | jordanm | greyfiend: I would recommend backports, but like I said, it doesn't require that package on other archs |
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| 23:19.55 | qq- | jordanm, he wont it on powerpc , not same thing as i86 |
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| 23:20.19 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-glx --arch ppc |
| 23:20.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nvidia-glx' was found. |
| 23:20.24 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 23:20.27 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4 |
| 23:20.37 | jordanm | does nvidia even support ppc? |
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| 23:20.44 | qq- | no |
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| 23:21.28 | jordanm | the NV drivers do not support 3d at all... so it wouldn't require that firmware like radeon would |
| 23:21.30 | nsadmin | so if you have a new debian user who comes from LFS, they -still- don't understand debian yet, and how debian itself can contribute to stabillity or fail to do so and under which conditions would it do what |
| 23:21.31 | jordanm | is now confused |
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| 23:22.08 | jordanm | !tell greyfiend about ppc |
| 23:22.12 | nsadmin | but they might be in a better position to come to understand, which will take time |
| 23:22.27 | ZitZ | the nicknames debian uses are incredibly confusing |
| 23:22.29 | jordanm | greyfiend: there is a ppc specific channel for debian |
| 23:22.41 | jordanm | ZitZ: they are all based on toy story characters |
| 23:22.51 | ZitZ | it makes regular desktop users think they should use stable, when that realizstically isn't the case, is what i'm saying |
| 23:22.57 | greyfiend | jordanm yup been there previous to this, and read that link previously as well |
| 23:22.58 | ZitZ | i'm talking about stable/testing/unstable |
| 23:23.06 | jordanm | ZitZ: realistically, I think your wrong |
| 23:23.25 | craigevil | ZitZ: lots of people use stable on desktops |
| 23:23.49 | ZitZ | true, but back in the days of sarge, that would be a rather bad idea |
| 23:24.07 | ZitZ | there was no usb support on sarge with 2.4 kernel if you recall |
| 23:24.14 | jordanm | I don't believe anyone should work on something that changes their default python for example... I need to do work now! but... X borked my system |
| 23:24.25 | ZitZ | i don't think stable is the best choice for a newcomer |
| 23:24.56 | jordanm | I think there are a lot of "bleeding-edge" and rolling release distros to choose from. debian is a stable distro |
| 23:25.08 | craigevil | ZitZ: testing and sid break all the time |
| 23:25.18 | ZitZ | testing is far from bleeding edge |
| 23:25.19 | jordanm | although very flexible, and can be used for anything.. including a rolling release (sid) |
| 23:25.25 | greyfiend | jordanm, that's why i'm trying to install debian rather than arch in this case. |
| 23:26.00 | craigevil | greyfiend: stable with backports if what you want if you do not want to worry about things breaking |
| 23:26.08 | craigevil | *if=is |
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| 23:26.29 | greyfiend | craig: that is kinda the 'goal' of this particular project. |
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| 23:30.53 | nsadmin | ZitZ, just remember it's not your decision as to what they should install, and unless you've personally read the source and are able to evaluate the individual stability of the software PLUS evaluate all the possible interactions between software in all debian packages, you might want to hold off on determining something is stable when you would not have looked into the details |
| 23:31.18 | ZitZ | i wasn't |
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| 23:32.50 | greyfiend | enabling backports has allowed the installation of the firmware-linux-nonfree package, but it hasn't solved the nvidia problem |
| 23:33.16 | nsadmin | there's a difference between saying "it works for me" (which is your own expressed opinion, which you have a right to) and saying "see this collection of about 3,000 packages? it's stable!" |
| 23:33.43 | unixp | whats the command to delete files complete? |
| 23:33.57 | dondelelcaro | unixp: rm; sometimes wipe will work. |
| 23:34.08 | dondelelcaro | unixp: though if you really want files to go away, destroy the disk. |
| 23:34.11 | nsadmin | the main reason why it's not the greatest idea, is it hurts efforts to support people |
| 23:34.25 | unixp | dondelelcaro, only rm?` |
| 23:34.25 | nsadmin | unixp: man rm |
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| 23:35.15 | unixp | so it went to trash |
| 23:35.20 | unixp | doesnt* |
| 23:35.42 | nsadmin | rm doesn't implement a "trash" system |
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| 23:36.41 | nsadmin | once you rm a file, it's gone (actually, the storage is unlinked) |
| 23:36.53 | neilk | any file that's deleted is immediately eligible to have its disk space reclaimed, but that will happen at any point between immediately and never |
| 23:37.10 | neilk | so if you want to free disk space, rm, but if you want to avoid forensic investigators, destroy the disk |
| 23:38.04 | b0nghitter | where do i tell make/gmake to use -j5? |
| 23:38.07 | qq- | greyfiend, nvidia for ppc , ask #nvidia (2), if it support ppc |
| 23:38.35 | Tired | burning some thermite on top of the disk should work beautifully |
| 23:38.41 | nsadmin | -j5 is a parameter of what command? |
| 23:38.55 | Tired | of make :) |
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| 23:39.29 | b0nghitter | its a quad core xeon, webmin says Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3460 @ 2.80GHz, 8 cores - can i use -j9 ? |
| 23:39.50 | Tired | you can use whatever -j value you want with whatever amount of processors |
| 23:40.01 | nsadmin | you'd feed it to make, like: |
| 23:40.07 | nsadmin | make -j5 |
| 23:40.08 | b0nghitter | i want it to use multiple cores while compiling everything be default |
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| 23:40.28 | nsadmin | then always supply the value, or make an alias |
| 23:40.40 | liable | isnt there a make.conf in /etc? |
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| 23:40.52 | b0nghitter | liable: no |
| 23:40.55 | unixp | what is the command to see the size of a directorie |
| 23:41.10 | b0nghitter | ill try the alias ty |
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| 23:41.25 | b0nghitter | is -j9 safe ? |
| 23:41.29 | liable | hmm, theres a conf somewhere for it, maybe that was for make-kpkg im thinking of |
| 23:41.34 | chewbranca | how can I get an init script to run a daemon as a specific user? |
| 23:41.51 | b0nghitter | or do i need to stick with *real* core, not HyperThreaded ones? |
| 23:41.59 | Tired | I think you can use environment variables... |
| 23:42.11 | Tired | but the makefile usually can override those |
| 23:42.35 | Tired | b0nghitter, I already told you you can use any number of threads... |
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| 23:42.55 | b0nghitter | sorry i didnt see it, thanks |
| 23:43.13 | Tired | it can actually make sense to run more threads than there are processors because make often does things that take up more IO than CPU |
| 23:43.46 | nsadmin | unixp: so you're asking questions about basic unix commands... I would suggest, you explore: mkdir rmdir cd ls cat head tail echo df du grep sort uniq |
| 23:44.03 | jordanm | !tell b0nghitter about webmin |
| 23:44.08 | b0nghitter | but if its only a quad core, with 4 real and 4 hyprethreaded, should i count the hyperthreaded ones too? |
| 23:44.21 | nsadmin | and while you're at this learning process also learn as much about the shell you normally use, as possible |
| 23:44.58 | b0nghitter | yeah yeah |
| 23:45.00 | unixp | nsadmin, sry yes will do thx |
| 23:45.18 | b0nghitter | jordanm: ill remove it |
| 23:45.35 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 23:45.35 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
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| 23:46.10 | qq- | nsadmin, you scared him (his gone) :) |
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| 23:47.12 | nsadmin | !rute |
| 23:47.12 | dpkg | it has been said that rute is the Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition. A fantastic book that is available at http://rute.2038bug.com/, can be purchased at Borders, or install the rutebook package from <non-free>. It covers Linux in a very non-distribution specific method. The start of the book is "Binary and Octal" and ends with "Security Auditing". |
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| 23:48.13 | nsadmin | hmm, that's useful but not necessarily relevent |
| 23:48.34 | tharkun | nsadmin: rute covers the basics quite well |
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| 23:54.54 | chewbranca | is having an init script start a daemon as a specific user something normally frowned upon? I'm having trouble finding a way to do it, the program I'm trying to run doesn't have a way to set its uid |
| 23:55.27 | nsadmin | man start-stop-daemon |
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| 23:58.45 | greyfiend | if i do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set the video cards bus identifier to PCI:00:10:0 (as shown via lspci) startx still crashes with the error no matching device for instance PCI:0:16:0 ? am I not configuring the right thing? |
| 23:59.25 | nsadmin | maybe it expects it in some particular and different format? |
| 23:59.47 | qq- | greyfiend, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is obsolete |
