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| 00:01.31 | tharkun | what is the name of this package that handles whenever you call editor to invoke joe or vim or whatever? |
| 00:02.03 | nsadmin | umm the /etc/alternatives system? dunno what pkg that's in |
| 00:02.31 | tharkun | nsadmin: yes alternatives but there is a program that handles all the symlinks and stuff, i just forgot the name |
| 00:02.43 | nsadmin | well let's see... |
| 00:02.54 | nsadmin | , find etc/alternatives |
| 00:03.18 | nsadmin | ! find etc/alternatives |
| 00:03.38 | tharkun | nsadmin: update-alternativevs |
| 00:03.41 | tharkun | thx |
| 00:03.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/alternatives' (1): (/etc/alternatives/README) in admin/dpkg. |
| 00:04.03 | nsadmin | welcome!\ |
| 00:04.25 | unixp | whats the command to see all active processes? want to kill a programm |
| 00:04.32 | tharkun | ps -AF |
| 00:04.33 | nsadmin | ps |
| 00:05.29 | unixp | want to restart conky but doesnt work with killall -SIGUSR1 conky |
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| 00:06.26 | cthuluh | unixp: conky probably ignores SIGUSR1 |
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| 00:06.55 | tharkun | unixp: kill -9 `pidof conky` <-- that will "kill" conky, but it will not let it cleanup its mess so you might encounter problems later |
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| 00:08.54 | unixp | it doesnt absorb the new conky config ... mh |
| 00:09.30 | tharkun | sepult: having nick trouble? |
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| 00:12.55 | MetaPhaze | what is the correct way to update a kernel? |
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| 00:15.49 | nsadmin | MetaPhaze: in debian you can see what kernels are officially available and pick one of those, you can look at the backported kernels, you can try building your own using some form of make-kpkg (maybe with --initrd) |
| 00:16.23 | nsadmin | in order of decreasing possibility of stability |
| 00:18.14 | MetaPhaze | nsadmin, i've tried aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, but no matter what i try to install i keep getting told to upgrade glibc, however it won't do that until i install a new kernel |
| 00:18.49 | MetaPhaze | nsadmin, now i've got no kernel or modutils and i can't reboot |
| 00:18.57 | MetaPhaze | nor can i install anything |
| 00:19.02 | nsadmin | hmm. wonder why that is... |
| 00:19.36 | MetaPhaze | it's telling me to add etch sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get -t etch linux-image-2.6 but that fails too |
| 00:19.41 | nsadmin | well let's look at some worst-case possibilities and see what you'd want to do... |
| 00:20.06 | nsadmin | so the filesystems in your partitions are not damaged that you know of? |
| 00:20.13 | MetaPhaze | fresh install |
| 00:20.24 | MetaPhaze | any way to manually download and install this kernel? |
| 00:20.31 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: is it the same has mounting a pen has swap, or is it a different feautre ? |
| 00:20.42 | nsadmin | oh ok, so that actually takes care of the second question: do you have important data, and the answer is no |
| 00:20.45 | nsadmin | correct? |
| 00:21.08 | MetaPhaze | correct, no important data |
| 00:21.23 | nsadmin | ok, so you could start over and no problem... true? |
| 00:21.29 | MetaPhaze | true |
| 00:21.45 | nsadmin | ok, that's a pretty good worst-case |
| 00:22.28 | nsadmin | let me wander around for a few mins, brb |
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| 00:25.08 | AljosHa | Can someone explain me thinks in /etc/ssh like ssh_host_dsa_key and rsa_key , can they be dangerous for me ? as i have server rented somewhere?means ISP and someone else maybe can access?what happends if i just remove those keys, or should i firstly generate new ones?since i only connect true ssh2 password...not using keys? |
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| 00:29.25 | nsadmin | ok back |
| 00:29.56 | MetaPhaze | kk |
| 00:30.01 | nsadmin | MetaPhaze, so it sounds to me that what you want is simply for your system to work and be up to date lenny? |
| 00:30.17 | MetaPhaze | actually i wanted to go squeeze |
| 00:30.21 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 00:30.28 | MetaPhaze | i usually install lenny and update |
| 00:30.36 | MetaPhaze | i don't know how old this cd was but it didn't work |
| 00:30.43 | nsadmin | so this is something you have experience with? |
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| 00:30.51 | MetaPhaze | i've done it once |
| 00:30.55 | MetaPhaze | in a vbox |
| 00:31.01 | nsadmin | ok, |
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| 00:31.22 | nsadmin | maybe the cd has etch which is lenny-1 |
| 00:31.29 | MetaPhaze | could be |
| 00:31.45 | MetaPhaze | i labeled it debian net install |
| 00:31.54 | MetaPhaze | not sure what it was when i downloaded it |
| 00:32.02 | nsadmin | what if we install lenny base only, then upgrade to squeeze base? |
| 00:32.07 | MetaPhaze | sure |
| 00:32.45 | nsadmin | I'm curious about some other things, but let's get to downloading what you need before I ask those; they're side points to the actual process |
| 00:33.57 | nsadmin | what you could even do, is install etch from that net install and upgrade to lenny base then to squeeze base... seems too complicated but you could do that |
| 00:34.09 | MetaPhaze | nsadmin, just so you know i'm an advanced linux user... been using it for 13+ years... however i use gentoo mostly so very good on the command line... not so good with debian |
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| 00:34.35 | nsadmin | oh ok, so in that case my curiousity is burning.... |
| 00:34.44 | nsadmin | what has you interested in debian? |
| 00:35.01 | MetaPhaze | i promote linux to my friends, family and other people interested |
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| 00:35.06 | MetaPhaze | i'm giving someone a computer |
| 00:35.09 | MetaPhaze | they don't have one |
| 00:35.10 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 00:35.15 | MetaPhaze | they can't afford windows |
| 00:35.28 | MetaPhaze | so i'm setting them up with something free... and hoping they can catch on to debian |
| 00:35.28 | nsadmin | how experienced are they with unix-alikes? |
| 00:35.41 | MetaPhaze | they don't know squat about either side... (windows/linux) |
| 00:35.48 | MetaPhaze | so i'd rather they learn linux to begin with |
| 00:36.03 | MetaPhaze | i'll be keeping them updated and the likes |
| 00:36.14 | MetaPhaze | i'd give them gentoo, but their computer is too slow to compile |
| 00:36.24 | MetaPhaze | all they need to know is point and click |
| 00:36.26 | MetaPhaze | ;) |
| 00:36.30 | nsadmin | ok, so just to offer choice, ubuntu is probably closer targeted |
| 00:36.39 | MetaPhaze | meh |
| 00:36.41 | MetaPhaze | i hate ubuntu |
| 00:36.43 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:36.49 | MetaPhaze | and since i'm the one doing the admin work |
| 00:36.53 | MetaPhaze | i'll stick with debian |
| 00:36.56 | MetaPhaze | ;) |
| 00:36.56 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:37.01 | epsilon | ubuntu? who cares |
| 00:37.44 | nsadmin | just making sure. |
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| 00:38.17 | nsadmin | it seems like you have all the info you need... was there something specific other than this kernel thing? what's the hardware on that machine like? |
| 00:38.38 | MetaPhaze | amd athlon 1000mhz |
| 00:38.43 | MetaPhaze | 512 meg ram |
| 00:38.51 | MetaPhaze | 40 gig hard drive |
| 00:38.53 | MetaPhaze | ya know' |
| 00:38.59 | dvs | ouch |
| 00:39.06 | MetaPhaze | the kind of thing i have a ton of sitting in my basement and am trying to give away |
| 00:39.21 | MetaPhaze | lol |
| 00:39.24 | MetaPhaze | yeah ouch |
| 00:39.31 | MetaPhaze | believe it or not i used to run gentoo on it |
| 00:39.35 | MetaPhaze | distcc compiles |
| 00:39.36 | qq- | !enter |
| 00:39.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:39.38 | MetaPhaze | got tired of it |
| 00:39.42 | nsadmin | where are you located? I could use one for replacement gateway :) |
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| 00:39.51 | dvs | my netbook is better than that! |
| 00:39.58 | MetaPhaze | Minnesota... i have tons of p2/p3 systems. |
| 00:40.12 | nsadmin | oh, shipping woudl be too costly, I'm in calif |
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| 00:40.41 | nsadmin | anyway |
| 00:41.03 | klync | for those following the drama, i just thought i'd pop in to say 'woot! dist-upgrade = true' |
| 00:41.05 | MetaPhaze | i can ship you just the boards and processors (ram if i have it) and you could do the rest |
| 00:41.15 | nsadmin | do you want to install etch and do two upgrades? or download image? |
| 00:41.33 | nsadmin | there might be squeeze installers too |
| 00:42.10 | nsadmin | !squeeze |
| 00:42.11 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 00:42.55 | nsadmin | !install squeeze |
| 00:43.28 | nsadmin | well no immediate info |
| 00:43.40 | qq- | nsadmin, actually etch installer don't works , (b/c of moving to new ado archives) ;-( |
| 00:43.42 | nsadmin | but that's not to say the installers are not out there |
| 00:44.01 | nsadmin | oh, right |
| 00:44.07 | nsadmin | but he could install base? |
| 00:44.19 | qq- | no not even that |
| 00:44.24 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 00:44.37 | nsadmin | so that removes one of three possibilities |
| 00:44.49 | dvs | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 00:44.56 | nsadmin | but he got somewhere with his |
| 00:46.05 | nsadmin | I think he actually had a running etch |
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| 00:46.58 | MetaPhaze | well |
| 00:47.01 | qq- | that's different |
| 00:47.08 | dvs | how slow? |
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| 00:47.17 | nsadmin | from an installer he already had |
| 00:47.20 | MetaPhaze | i downloaded the testing net install disk... i really don't want to have to burn it... but if i have to that's ok |
| 00:47.27 | MetaPhaze | testing is squeeze right? |
| 00:47.30 | nsadmin | yes |
| 00:47.48 | nsadmin | almost out of blanks? |
| 00:47.51 | MetaPhaze | basically apt and aptitude are complaining about glibc |
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| 00:47.53 | MetaPhaze | yeah |
| 00:48.00 | nsadmin | I should take a trip to frys |
| 00:48.01 | MetaPhaze | i have 100 blank dvd's but only like 3 cd's |
| 00:48.51 | nsadmin | how far can I overburn a single-layer dvd? |
| 00:48.53 | qq- | squeeze on dvd's seems have troubles .. |
| 00:49.01 | MetaPhaze | if i could manually upgrade my kernel with dpkg? (is that how you do it in debian?) then i could reboot and get a libc install |
| 00:49.29 | nsadmin | so you can't boot with the earlier kernel? |
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| 00:50.11 | MetaPhaze | nsadmin, i typed aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, answered yes to delete the old kernel ( i didn't know i'd have this issue) and then it failed... after removing my kernel |
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| 00:50.46 | dvs | MetaPhaze: that's lesson number 1 |
| 00:50.47 | qq- | MetaPhaze, reinstall old kernel |
| 00:50.51 | nsadmin | that's the only thing you did? see if you can get a .deb of an etch kernel |
| 00:51.04 | nsadmin | which you may already have |
| 00:51.06 | MetaPhaze | how would i ? |
| 00:51.14 | nsadmin | from the cd you already have? |
| 00:51.33 | MetaPhaze | ok |
| 00:51.40 | MetaPhaze | so add that to my sources.list? |
| 00:51.43 | qq- | or from /var/cache/apt/archives ... |
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| 00:52.05 | nsadmin | qq: it copies the .deb even if it's from a cd? |
| 00:52.17 | qq- | yes |
| 00:52.49 | nsadmin | so yes it shoudl be there... does grub work? |
| 00:53.24 | MetaPhaze | it did to reboot |
| 00:53.29 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:53.30 | MetaPhaze | but that was before i typed that |
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| 00:54.28 | MetaPhaze | ack |
| 00:54.29 | MetaPhaze | ok |
| 00:54.43 | MetaPhaze | seems my glibc is libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
| 00:54.51 | MetaPhaze | so this must have been a sarge install |
| 00:54.54 | nsadmin | sarge? |
| 00:54.55 | qq- | sarge3 /... |
| 00:54.57 | nsadmin | wow :) |
| 00:55.06 | MetaPhaze | would it be easier to just reinstall with this testing cd? |
| 00:55.15 | qq- | sure |
| 00:55.19 | nsadmin | I would go with a lenny cd |
| 00:55.29 | MetaPhaze | alright |
| 00:55.31 | nsadmin | install only the base |
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| 00:55.44 | nsadmin | then upgrade to squeeze |
| 00:55.52 | [gnubie] | waves |
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| 00:56.09 | MetaPhaze | good thing i didn't burn yet |
| 00:56.28 | MetaPhaze | alright... so debian-505-i386-netinst.iso right? |
| 00:56.35 | dvs | that's fine |
| 00:56.37 | qq- | y |
| 00:56.39 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 00:56.56 | nsadmin | it's not a 64b hardware, so i386 |
| 00:56.56 | dvs | would have went straight to squeeze, but that's OK |
| 00:57.55 | MetaPhaze | what problems do i look forward to if i burn the squeeze net install cd? |
| 00:57.56 | nsadmin | someone just got done saying the squeeze installers aren't working properly right now |
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| 00:58.04 | MetaPhaze | i could go right to squeeze |
| 00:58.10 | nsadmin | yes you could |
| 00:58.34 | MetaPhaze | well, if it's the installers, i'll pass |
| 00:58.43 | MetaPhaze | lenny to squeeze it is |
| 00:59.02 | dvs | go 4 it! |
| 00:59.08 | MetaPhaze | heh |
| 00:59.14 | MetaPhaze | if i was installing it to my vbox i would |
| 00:59.24 | MetaPhaze | but i've already spent too much time on this FREE system for them |
| 00:59.59 | nsadmin | and as you implied earlier you're going to spend mroe time in the future |
| 01:00.10 | MetaPhaze | yes |
| 01:00.12 | MetaPhaze | if they call me |
| 01:00.19 | MetaPhaze | if they don't it's not my problem lol |
| 01:00.28 | MetaPhaze | i'm hoping to gain an artist out of this deal |
| 01:01.56 | MetaPhaze | but most people are talk |
| 01:02.00 | MetaPhaze | when it comes down to it |
| 01:02.26 | MetaPhaze | i'm building a game... i need artists... i have 20-30 pc's in my basement and i need them gone... they need a pc, i need an artist |
| 01:02.38 | MetaPhaze | we'll see what happens |
| 01:05.41 | MetaPhaze | alright |
| 01:05.45 | MetaPhaze | here goes lenny install |
| 01:05.55 | dvs | *boom* |
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| 01:11.51 | nsadmin | two things they might be interested in as artists, are gimp and inkscape |
| 01:12.19 | dvs | on an athlon 1GHz? |
| 01:12.42 | MetaPhaze | yeah |
| 01:12.46 | MetaPhaze | i plan to set them up with both |
| 01:12.52 | MetaPhaze | gimp and inkscape |
| 01:13.10 | MetaPhaze | and i'll take the gimp textures and their drawings and do my magic with blender |
| 01:13.13 | qq- | povray too ;) |
| 01:13.22 | MetaPhaze | povray is gui? |
| 01:14.03 | qq- | kpovmodeler - a graphical editor for povray scenes |
| 01:14.16 | MetaPhaze | cool |
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| 01:14.39 | MetaPhaze | i'll set them up with gimp and inkscape and see if i'm wasting my time first |
| 01:14.59 | MetaPhaze | the other two artists that said they were interested never turn anything in, or even work on anything |
| 01:15.05 | MetaPhaze | so |
| 01:15.07 | nsadmin | povray takes C-looking data structure definitions and renders into stills |
| 01:15.21 | MetaPhaze | ah |
| 01:15.29 | MetaPhaze | that's more along the lines of something i'll have to do |
| 01:15.36 | MetaPhaze | i'm the tech savvy one here, they draw lol |
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| 01:17.09 | nsadmin | well there are gui front ends (such as kpovmodeler) that produce the c-looking thingys |
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| 01:21.38 | void9 | hi, i built a meta package to depend on a kernal-header-2.6.foo-blah.deb, that i downloaded. the metapackage and the kernel-deb are visible to apt/aptitude, verified by aptitude show. but i'm not depending on the kernel-deb correctly, because i see "Depends: linux-image (>= 2.6.34-020634) but it is not installable". when i aptitude show linux-image, my choices include: "Provided by: linux-image-2.6.34-020634-gener |
| 01:21.38 | void9 | ic (2.6.34-020634)". right now my control line looks like "Depends: linux-image (>=2.6.34-020634)". how should i change my control line so that apt/aptitude can resolve the version number to the deb in my archive? |
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| 01:23.55 | nsadmin | I guess the kernel .deb in your archive has to be aptable |
| 01:24.15 | nsadmin | as does the metapackage |
| 01:24.33 | void9 | nsadmin: it is. it shows in aptitude show and i installed it via apt for kicks. |
| 01:25.24 | nsadmin | I notice one says -generic and one doesn't |
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| 01:27.36 | void9 | nsadmin: true, but according to debian policy that appears to be a "debian revision", which i should be able to exclude. that may be my problem, but i don't know how to specify a (>=) version comparison AND select the "generic". |
| 01:27.38 | void9 | i am trying to avoid hardcoding the entire version string, but will do so as a hack... |
| 01:28.19 | nsadmin | right, I'd say try it and see |
| 01:28.49 | qq- | see the changelog/rules from sources |
| 01:29.39 | void9 | qq-: rules is the dh version 7 "zen" of: dh $@ |
| 01:29.51 | qq- | !package recompile |
| 01:29.51 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 01:30.27 | qq- | heh, was 'debian/rules', sry |
| 01:31.00 | nsadmin | MetaPhaze, how's it going |
| 01:31.18 | MetaPhaze | installing |
| 01:31.24 | nsadmin | you know I had a thought... |
| 01:31.47 | MetaPhaze | i had to start over because i installed the desktop stuff and didn't really want to wait for 802 packages to install since i'll be upgrading half of them anyway |
| 01:32.05 | nsadmin | you have lots of these PCs cluttering your basement... what if you were to start or find a group of artists and build them a rendering cluster |
| 01:32.22 | MetaPhaze | well |
| 01:32.34 | MetaPhaze | i'd rather use the cluster i already have |
| 01:32.35 | nsadmin | as far as lenny, install -only- the base |
| 01:32.49 | nsadmin | then the upgrade step is: upgrade the baswe |
| 01:32.49 | void9 | MetaPhaze: could contribute to electricsheep.org |
| 01:32.51 | nsadmin | base |
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| 01:33.10 | MetaPhaze | i have 10 pc's in a cluster right now... a core2 quad, and 9 pentium D dual cores... 4 gig, 2 gig setups |
| 01:33.30 | nsadmin | MetaPhaze: so you could render for them? |
| 01:33.49 | MetaPhaze | if i had 2 more nvidia gforce 250 gts's i would even have a tripple sli setup |
| 01:33.56 | MetaPhaze | aye i could |
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| 01:34.16 | MetaPhaze | 10 pc's on a gigabit network |
| 01:34.23 | MetaPhaze | that's a decent render farm i think |
| 01:34.47 | nsadmin | they could upload the intermediate description files, start rendering, and download the result |
| 01:34.49 | void9 | found problem via lintian: virtual-package-depends-without-real-package-depends |
| 01:37.04 | nsadmin | in case I didn't make the idea clear, you could trade usage of the render farm for artwork |
| 01:37.23 | MetaPhaze | ahh |
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| 01:37.29 | MetaPhaze | that sounds promising |
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| 01:39.01 | MetaPhaze | plenty of drive space for them too |
| 01:39.01 | MetaPhaze | 3T |
| 01:39.08 | MetaPhaze | my upload sucks though |
| 01:40.05 | nsadmin | take stock of what you have now (as you did when you saw you have the makings of a render farm already) |
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| 01:42.19 | MetaPhaze | scanning the mirror is taking forever this time |
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| 01:42.29 | MetaPhaze | debian.us.etcetc failed already |
| 01:46.22 | MetaPhaze | i think it's stuck |
| 01:46.32 | MetaPhaze | if i kill setup how can i restart it without rebooting? |
| 01:47.30 | nsadmin | well hold on... |
| 01:47.47 | nsadmin | if you have a netinst cd, then the base packages are on the ce |
| 01:47.49 | nsadmin | cde |
| 01:48.20 | nsadmin | so if you fail to set up the net initially, it pulls the installer and the base from the image |
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| 01:48.44 | nsadmin | I think that's how it works... |
| 01:48.50 | nsadmin | used to work that way :_) |
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| 01:49.13 | jangles | hello |
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| 01:50.18 | jangles | i am having some trouble getting my bcm4328 working. i've googled it, i'm a bit of a noob, could someone please give me a hand? |
| 01:51.38 | jangles | i've got the fwcutter package installed, i've tride modprobe b43 what else do i need to do to get it working? |
| 01:52.27 | MetaPhaze | jangles, you need a working driver package for the card... windows or otherwise, then you need to use fwcutter to extract the firmware and put it in the firmware directory (/lib/firmware on gentoo not sure in debian) |
| 01:53.03 | MetaPhaze | the linux driver needs to be built as a module so that you can load the firmware at boot |
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| 01:53.40 | MetaPhaze | nsadmin, ok, so i just got apt configured and the base system installed and it's asking for me to choose software to install, desktop and standard system... do i want either of those? or no |
| 01:53.42 | jangles | many thanks MetaPhaze i will give that a shot. |
| 01:53.53 | qq- | !b43 |
| 01:53.53 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:54.12 | nsadmin | MetaPhaze, so that's a complete base install of lenny (so far)? |
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| 01:55.36 | MetaPhaze | nsadmin, i believe so... it installed the base system, configured apt for debian mirrors, and now it's asking for more.. ( Sofware selection ) at the moment only the core of the system is installed. to tune the system to your needs you can choose to install one or more of the following predefined collections of software |
| 01:55.39 | nsadmin | if it is... don't install other stuff now, finish the install with what you have, reboot into the new system and see if what you have works |
| 01:56.24 | nsadmin | if it does... you might consider backing up everything so you can start from that point if you want |
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| 01:56.54 | MetaPhaze | i chose standard system... 81 packages |
| 01:56.59 | MetaPhaze | 37 of 81 done |
| 01:57.20 | nsadmin | oh ok, so you're still in the lenny installer? |
| 01:57.28 | MetaPhaze | yeah |
| 01:57.31 | TheBlunderbuss | Hey all. A recent update has prevented a client laptop from connecting with the internet. I use dhcp3 on my desktop to serve the internet to my laptop. The laptop can connect to the desktop and ssh to it, but it cannot communicate with the internet. iptables produced an error on the desktop at bootup, and there's an error when I ifdown the desktop to the router. |
| 01:57.38 | MetaPhaze | 30 seconds remain it says |
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| 01:59.10 | nsadmin | good enough... I'm getting ready to leave... it sounds like you have a successful result, your next step is to reboot into your new system, and then to find out how to upgrade lenny to squeeze |
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| 01:59.16 | Coolface | jangles: |
| 01:59.23 | nsadmin | then take a second backup |
| 01:59.32 | jangles | ya |
| 01:59.53 | Coolface | pm |
| 02:00.39 | MetaPhaze | thanks nsadmin, i've done that before with only a postgresql problem... i'm sure i can manage |
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| 02:02.33 | Coolface | jangles: do you see the private message? |
| 02:03.01 | Coolface | helleeew |
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| 02:05.01 | Compiling | are there any good packages on DVD 2 and higher? |
| 02:05.17 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 02:05.17 | dpkg | [The searchable index is unavailable as of 2010-06-07] To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 02:05.27 | Compiling | I've downloaded 1 and im hoping it has apache, php, mysql, perl, ruby and python |
| 02:05.33 | Compiling | i dont use jigdo |
| 02:05.37 | Compiling | seen that already |
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| 02:05.39 | dondelelcaro | Compiling: they're ordered by popularity, so it should have it. |
| 02:05.47 | Compiling | thanks |
| 02:05.50 | dondelelcaro | Compiling: doesn't matter; the jigdo template tells you what is on which dvd |
| 02:06.04 | Compiling | i just need to do an offline install since bandwidth is horribly throttled at home |
| 02:06.09 | Compiling | like 10 kb/s |
| 02:06.35 | Compiling | just tried the jigdo search |
| 02:06.37 | Compiling | Server not found |
| 02:06.43 | Compiling | Firefox can't find the server at atterer.net. |
| 02:06.50 | dondelelcaro | Compiling: yeah, but you can still download the templates and search them that way |
| 02:07.02 | Compiling | no |
| 02:07.04 | Compiling | that sites down |
| 02:07.21 | Compiling | http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?list |
| 02:07.26 | Compiling | try it |
| 02:07.57 | qq- | http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 02:08.01 | dondelelcaro | Compiling: I know that site is down; let me make it clearer |
| 02:08.13 | dondelelcaro | Compiling: that site is *not* the jigdo template; it just allows you to search them |
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| 02:08.44 | dondelelcaro | Compiling: you can still manually download the template yourself, and then search the templates you have downloaded using grep or similar |
| 02:08.52 | un214 | did they ever put the original cdrecord back? |
| 02:09.26 | dondelelcaro | un214: Debian almost certainly won't ever put Schilling's cdrecord in Debian again |
| 02:09.42 | Compiling | y |
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| 02:12.48 | nsadmin | typically how much space on a plain one-layer dvd can you overburn? |
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| 02:13.06 | nsadmin | I have a 5400mb image |
| 02:13.13 | Compiling | no |
| 02:13.19 | qq- | 4.7 gb |
| 02:13.24 | nsadmin | but dvds are only 4700 |
| 02:13.45 | qq- | try blue-ray ;) |
| 02:13.55 | nsadmin | are you saying you can't overburn at all? |
| 02:14.26 | Compiling | ~4630MB |
| 02:14.27 | qq- | have to split the image |
| 02:14.42 | Compiling | 5.4G no chance |
| 02:15.12 | un214 | problem is ubuntu is starting to decay rather badly (I used core files from debian to shore up my system), and this is the one thing stopping me from jumping ship to debian. |
| 02:15.13 | nsadmin | do there exist single-layer blanks that can handle 5.4g? |
| 02:15.35 | Compiling | just use 2 |
| 02:15.50 | nsadmin | that may not be an option |
| 02:16.01 | Compiling | come to the dark side |
| 02:16.11 | Compiling | debian has always been better |
| 02:16.19 | Compiling | vanilla better |
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| 02:17.12 | octocpp | how is Enlightenment compared to KDE ? faster, more features, or less features ? |
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| 02:27.09 | liable | yes faster, lighter, less features. its a window manager, not a full blown desktop |
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| 02:30.20 | nsadmin | kde is not a window manager at all, nor is kdm. but a window manager is used as a piece of kde |
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| 02:31.44 | dmi3on | i have problem with wget i think, trying to dowload wget http://apr.apache.org/download.cgi/apr-1.4.2.tar.gz, tar -xvzf apr-1.4.2.tar.gz is not working saying: gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 02:31.53 | dmi3on | what wrong with it ? |
| 02:32.18 | liable | what does 'file' say about it? |
| 02:32.30 | liable | i bet its a html file |
| 02:33.03 | dmi3on | yes |
| 02:33.09 | dmi3on | i dont understnad why :( |
| 02:33.19 | prince_jammys | wrong URL |
| 02:33.20 | liable | i dunno how you would do it with wget, because of that download.cgi bit in the url |
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| 02:33.49 | dmi3on | what else can i use ? |
| 02:33.51 | Toba | ugh |
| 02:33.54 | liable | a browser |
| 02:34.14 | dmi3on | i am connected through ssh :( |
| 02:34.18 | dmi3on | no browser |
| 02:34.20 | dmi3on | :( |
| 02:34.22 | prince_jammys | a text-mode browser |
| 02:34.33 | dmi3on | ok |
| 02:34.34 | dmi3on | thanks |
| 02:34.43 | Toba | guys, any way around chmodding the sudoers file so that root can write to it |
| 02:34.45 | prince_jammys | lynx/links/elinks/w3m , see if any is installed |
| 02:34.48 | liable | which one do you want? |
| 02:34.49 | Toba | now I can't even sudo chmod it back |
| 02:34.55 | Toba | I've never heard of a chmod being undoable before |
| 02:35.03 | liable | wget http://apache.mirror.aussiehq.net.au/apr/apr-1.4.2.tar.gz |
| 02:35.08 | liable | dmi3on: ^^ |
| 02:35.12 | prince_jammys | or http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/apache/apr/apr-1.4.2.tar.gz |
| 02:35.12 | Toba | never had another OS not have sudo work anymore with the sudoers file not the the prefect permissions. |
| 02:35.26 | dmi3on | haha |
| 02:35.39 | dmi3on | i see what wrong now |
| 02:35.41 | dmi3on | thanks |
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| 02:38.50 | d1b | io |
| 02:38.52 | d1b | hio* |
| 02:39.00 | d1b | can anyone help me with a lvm problem? |
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| 02:48.54 | CNLiberal | i'm using ubuntu 10.04 (i know this isn't the ubuntu channel, but haven't had my question answered there) and i have a serial device that only talks at 14400bps. I don't have that option in minicom or in gtkterm...it works fine in windows, but i really need 14400 in linux. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Does the kernel even support that? Thanks! |
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| 02:53.30 | qq- | grep ttyS0 /etc/inittab , change 9600 to 14400 |
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| 02:56.41 | discard-session | how do i exit a desktop session without saving? |
| 02:56.42 | CNLiberal | qq- thanks for the info...but i get an error about no inittab |
| 02:56.51 | qq- | install it |
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| 02:57.20 | CNLiberal | i'm in ubuntu 10.04, so shouldn't the init.d or init be the same thing? forgive me, i'm a relative newby |
| 02:57.47 | qq- | no |
| 02:58.49 | Tramp | CNLiberal: see, that's why #debian does not deal with Ubuntu questions |
| 02:58.58 | CNLiberal | haha |
| 02:59.00 | CNLiberal | ok |
| 02:59.02 | CNLiberal | that's fine |
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| 03:00.32 | CNLiberal | according to this: http://qextserialport.sourceforge.net/qextserialport-1.1.x/qextserialbase_8h.html#6f031169a6a9b150b5af707bb23cf010 |
| 03:00.32 | CNLiberal | 14400 is windows only? |
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| 03:02.01 | qq- | no, but your device may be |
| 03:02.27 | qq- | see winmodems . |
| 03:02.29 | CNLiberal | it's just a serial device |
| 03:02.37 | CNLiberal | it's actually a CD duplicator's robotic arm |
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| 03:09.19 | CNLiberal | thanks for at least hearing me out guys |
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| 03:11.04 | tharkun | jordanm: After carefully checking al tumgresyspf config files, the problem was a typo on one of them. It never made any mistakes because it was on the ip of the MX pointing server. But when it was transfered to another server it became an isue. Thx for the guidance to solve this isue. |
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| 03:20.16 | \3TATUK | Does anyone know which debian-multimedia package to get for totem-gstreamer to play WMAs? |
| 03:20.51 | tharkun | !anyone |
| 03:20.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 03:22.25 | \3TATUK | Which debian-multimedia package supplies totem-gstreamer the ability to play WMAs? ...w32codecs used to be it I believe, but doesn't seem to exist anymore. |
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| 03:27.06 | woodworks | when starting up at the end of the boot process, some messages are put up on the screen about downloading kernel headers, but i can't read them in time, where would this be found? |
| 03:27.20 | woodworks | tried syslog, but not there, messages either |
| 03:27.44 | craigevil | \3TATUK: probably |
| 03:27.58 | craigevil | gstreamer-ffpmeg |
| 03:29.03 | \3TATUK | :( nope, have it |
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| 03:29.12 | \3TATUK | and i have the 'really-bad' plugins, too |
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| 03:30.16 | \3TATUK | oh wait |
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| 03:30.46 | \3TATUK | it's actually an ASF file |
| 03:30.54 | \3TATUK | with filename extension wma |
| 03:30.57 | craigevil | try -ugly |
| 03:31.09 | \3TATUK | which appears to be a different codec than 'popular' wma |
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| 03:31.12 | woodworks | or during boot is there a way to freeze the screen so i can read the message? |
| 03:31.12 | \3TATUK | older or something |
| 03:31.27 | craigevil | -ugly shows video/x-ms-asf in the description |
| 03:31.32 | \3TATUK | i have ugly too craigevil maybe ASF just isn't supported |
| 03:31.34 | \3TATUK | really wtf |
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| 03:32.02 | \3TATUK | I have ugly AND ugly isn't even listed on http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 03:32.06 | \3TATUK | :-/ |
| 03:32.22 | \3TATUK | oh |
| 03:32.24 | \3TATUK | non-free section? |
| 03:32.26 | qq- | \3TATUK, w32codecs are in non-free on d-multimedia |
| 03:32.37 | \3TATUK | ah |
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| 03:32.46 | hhhh | http://pastebin.com/SbmsyCrW help |
| 03:32.56 | \3TATUK | thanks qq- craigevil |
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| 03:34.25 | \3TATUK | @.@ even installing w32codecs didn't do it |
| 03:34.28 | \3TATUK | sheesh |
| 03:35.07 | \3TATUK | totem: "The playback of this movie requires a audio/x-asf-unknown decoder plugin which is not installed." |
| 03:35.08 | hhhh | qq- :( |
| 03:35.19 | qq- | \3TATUK, use vlc |
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| 03:35.38 | craigevil | \3TATUK: http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins-plugin-asf.html says -ugly |
| 03:35.57 | \3TATUK | the thing that kills me is i believe i recall having these x-asf wma's play in TOTEM before but not now |
| 03:36.04 | \3TATUK | yeah craig maybe i'll reinstall ugly |
| 03:36.17 | qq- | hhhh, restart mpd as they needs see 1. or 2. (-n option) |
| 03:36.17 | craigevil | \3TATUK: hehe and that is why I use smplayer and vlc either one will play anything |
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| 03:36.36 | MetaPhaze | what do i install to get a working kde environment with kdm as a greeter? |
| 03:36.37 | \3TATUK | I like totem ^_^ |
| 03:36.53 | qq- | kill it |
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| 03:37.07 | craigevil | MetaPhaze: depends on what Debian release you are running |
| 03:37.20 | MetaPhaze | squeeze |
| 03:37.45 | craigevil | kde-standard will give you the full kde |
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| 03:37.57 | craigevil | aptitude install kde-standard kdm |
| 03:38.04 | \3TATUK | looks like it's called kde-full in squeeze * |
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| 03:38.18 | craigevil | ,versions kde-standard |
| 03:38.21 | judd | kde-standard -- sid: 5:63; squeeze: 5:63 |
| 03:38.28 | \3TATUK | ,versions kde-standard |
| 03:38.28 | judd | kde-standard -- sid: 5:63; squeeze: 5:63 |
| 03:38.30 | MetaPhaze | craigevil, i installed kde-full and kdm, but it doesn't seem to be giving me the greeter at startup... could be a driver problem... drivers for a nvidia riva tnt2 64? |
| 03:38.33 | \3TATUK | ,versions kde-full |
| 03:38.34 | judd | kde-full -- sid: 5:63; squeeze: 5:63 |
| 03:38.46 | craigevil | MetaPhaze: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 03:38.58 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:40.03 | hhhh | hey qq- |
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| 03:40.16 | hhhh | i put mpdboot before running mpirun |
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| 03:42.03 | hhhh | trying mpd& right before mpirun |
| 03:42.04 | craigevil | !tell MetaPhaze about nvidia dkms |
| 03:44.00 | qq- | hhhh, sure, but start mpd as they needs (started with a "console") (-n option) |
| 03:44.49 | hhhh | i can't find -n explanation inside "mpd --help" |
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| 03:45.09 | qq- | try it , simpler |
| 03:45.18 | hhhh | mpd -n ? |
| 03:45.18 | hhhh | ok |
| 03:45.20 | hhhh | doing now |
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| 03:57.20 | qq- | hhhh, worked ? |
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| 04:05.23 | hhhh | hey qq- |
| 04:05.30 | hhhh | it is still running. |
| 04:05.31 | hhhh | not done yet.. |
| 04:05.37 | hhhh | i will report back soon |
| 04:05.39 | qq- | cool |
| 04:05.52 | hhhh | -n just tells mpd not to detach it |
| 04:05.57 | qq- | what was the mpirun command |
| 04:06.04 | hhhh | please work... :( |
| 04:08.52 | hhhh | hey qq- , i have 2 nodes running 2 processors each |
| 04:09.03 | qq- | nice |
| 04:09.08 | qq- | last time I used mpi was something as user@ps3:~/test/a/bin/~BLAS$ ../../../mpi/1.4.1/bin/orterun -np 4 xhpl |
| 04:09.27 | hhhh | the errors shows up because after i run 2 processors @ node 1 mpd detached ? |
| 04:09.52 | qq- | possible |
| 04:10.28 | hhhh | one more question. |
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| 04:10.42 | hhhh | when i choose 1 node & 4 cpus,it only returns 1 rank |
| 04:10.50 | hhhh | 0th rank out of 1 for 4 of them |
| 04:12.11 | neoice | hhhh: are you using an mpi pkg in debian? |
| 04:12.21 | hhhh | i'm using mpich |
| 04:12.30 | qq- | same |
| 04:12.50 | qq- | almost |
| 04:13.15 | neoice | built from scratch or downloaded? |
| 04:13.22 | hhhh | i'm using redhat |
| 04:13.37 | hhhh | enterprise linux Server relase 5.5 |
| 04:13.37 | qq- | haha |
| 04:13.45 | hhhh | am i wrogn again? |
| 04:13.57 | neoice | this is #debian which is why i asked. never saw mpi stuff in repos |
| 04:14.10 | d1b | hi |
| 04:14.13 | d1b | so anyone know lvm? |
| 04:15.48 | qq- | neoice, they are xmpi , mpich-bin |
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| 04:16.24 | qq- | d1b, just explain your issue |
| 04:16.41 | d1b | qq-: i have an lvm that is exported but not showing its file system under it |
| 04:17.32 | neoice | qq-: doesnt it need kernel stuffs? |
| 04:17.35 | qq- | !lvm |
| 04:17.36 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:17.38 | d1b | i have kernel |
| 04:17.44 | d1b | it is installed |
| 04:17.59 | qq- | neoice, no |
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| 04:19.31 | neoice | qq-: do i just need a few nodes with mpich-bin and a config? |
| 04:19.38 | qq- | neoice, if you read above to my command , i runed it even on ps3 (playstation3) |
| 04:20.34 | qq- | neoice, no , it works on single node (but better on multicores) |
| 04:21.17 | qq- | too |
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| 04:23.02 | qq- | neoice, there is openmpi-bin , -common too , if needed ;) |
| 04:23.21 | hhhh | hi qq- |
| 04:23.28 | hhhh | it runs like 40 mins already |
| 04:23.32 | hhhh | doesn't look good |
| 04:23.40 | hhhh | i only run mpirun -np 2 only :( |
| 04:24.24 | qq- | try , mpirun -np 8 |
| 04:24.44 | hhhh | why 8 dude? |
| 04:24.52 | hhhh | even 2 is taking so long |
| 04:24.53 | qq- | 4x2 |
| 04:25.12 | hhhh | it's just a simple hello world program |
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| 04:26.25 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.51 | qq- | so .. -np 8 |
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| 04:27.33 | hhhh | www.pastebin.com/7Wsx06RX |
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| 04:29.42 | hhhh | the size is always 1 .qq- |
| 04:29.44 | hhhh | any clue? |
| 04:29.46 | qq- | hhhh, stupid PBS , run real HPLinpack 2.0 -- High-Performance Linpack benchmark |
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| 04:30.09 | hhhh | what is wrong with pbs though? |
| 04:30.20 | qq- | proprietary |
| 04:30.36 | qq- | and OLD |
| 04:32.54 | qq- | hhhh, train you whit http://www.netlib.org/benchmark/hpl/ |
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| 04:33.06 | qq- | with* , sry |
| 04:37.00 | qq- | hhhh, see how works hpl on debian http://pagesperso-orange.fr/klhpc/tutoriels/hpl/ , partial in french |
| 04:37.16 | hhhh | hey qq- |
| 04:37.20 | hhhh | i found the error |
| 04:37.22 | qq- | s/works hpl /works hpl woks |
| 04:38.05 | hhhh | mpd -n << this creates the infinite loop |
| 04:38.10 | hhhh | http://pastebin.com/k1dqKaw8 |
| 04:39.26 | qq- | ok, good luck |
| 04:39.36 | hhhh | any help qq- ? |
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| 04:39.56 | qq- | no, bad time |
| 04:40.13 | qq- | no, bed* time |
| 04:40.23 | hhhh | please..only take 5 mins :( |
| 04:40.26 | hhhh | please do help |
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| 04:42.05 | qq- | never understand your mpd things, run simply "mpirun -np 8 ./hello_test" will be fine |
| 04:42.44 | qq- | !KISS |
| 04:42.44 | dpkg | somebody said kiss was Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 04:43.15 | hhhh | i know |
| 04:43.20 | hhhh | mpirun -np 8 works just fine |
| 04:43.27 | hhhh | but what if you need 16 cpus? |
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| 04:43.53 | hhhh | don't you need to select how many nodes you want? |
| 04:44.53 | qq- | doing -np 256 , you select 256 processors on X nodes |
| 04:46.19 | qq- | in reality you select only number of processes (each process use only one processor) |
| 04:47.06 | qq- | or one core in case of multicore processors |
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| 04:51.50 | qq- | hhhh, can i get my master in perdue uni with that ? |
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| 04:54.03 | hhhh | i misuse the pbs |
| 04:54.06 | hhhh | i found the bug |
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| 04:58.54 | qq- | hhhh, anyways you don't even read/lessen us ... hate university providing proprietary codes as perdue.edu |
| 04:59.20 | hhhh | sry dude |
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| 05:07.46 | hhhh | hi qq- |
| 05:07.51 | hhhh | sorry for asking stupid question before |
| 05:07.56 | hhhh | may i ask you one last question? |
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| 05:50.34 | rozie | !java ipv6 |
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| 06:13.04 | anode | are there any guides for learning to administrate debian servers? |
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| 06:15.33 | kingsley | anode: You may want to search google's indices. |
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| 06:17.18 | anode | kingsley: I've found a few guides.. some are a bit old, some target users than administrators, some are okay.. was looking more for other recomendations and such. |
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| 06:17.59 | bbd | anode: debian-administration.org nice site to search for specific problems |
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| 06:26.08 | craigevil | howto forge has some decent guides |
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| 06:31.37 | hhhasdf | zcat[1]? |
| 06:31.47 | hhhasdf | pastebin.com/78tSb1y0 < output. original file : pastebin.com/U30jnQ6g (pbs & sh) files |
| 06:31.50 | hhhasdf | qq- ? |
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| 07:10.36 | crazy2k | Someone willing to help me understand a script for ld? |
| 07:10.51 | EugenMayer | looking at the backports i see: http://packages.debian.org/de/lenny-backports/bacula-common ( 5.0.2 ) .. but using .. deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main .. in my apt list and installing with aptitude install -ty lenny-backports i get 5.0.1 .. any ideas? |
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| 07:12.31 | nevyn | Bryanstein: you can have 32bit domU's on a 64bit host os |
| 07:12.43 | nevyn | Bryanstein: arch=amd_64 |
| 07:13.20 | nevyn | bleh Bryanstein should be brammat0r |
| 07:13.28 | nevyn | brammat0r: ^^ |
| 07:14.19 | brammator | nevyn thanks, but turns out 40% of servers are old enough to not to have lm at cpuinfo flags 1-) |
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| 07:14.36 | brammator | so i guess i686 for them. |
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| 07:15.04 | nevyn | yes if you have to use the horrible PA addressing modes |
| 07:15.12 | nevyn | but they have significant limitations |
| 07:15.21 | nevyn | (like no more than 4gig in a signle process.) |
| 07:15.31 | nevyn | signle/single |
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| 07:17.44 | brammator | thats ok, my domUs have 256M of RAM anyway 1-) |
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| 07:19.13 | crazy2k | What are "COMMON symbols" in ld? |
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| 07:23.37 | hhhasdf | pastebin.com/78tSb1y0 < output. original file : pastebin.com/U30jnQ6g (pbs & sh) files |
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| 07:32.26 | macrobat | hhhasdf: "- Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!" |
| 07:32.27 | HackeMate | hello, i want to enable WOL on my motherboard, but asus says to enable it i should modify the bios (done) and check an option from windows |
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| 07:32.57 | HackeMate | in windows: go into device manager, find the lan controller, enter each property--advanced property, set that " wake up from powerOFF" to Enable |
| 07:33.06 | HackeMate | is there an equivalent for debian? |
| 07:34.05 | macrobat | HackeMate: maybe this? http://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan |
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| 07:36.25 | Mikey^ | Hey |
| 07:36.37 | Mikey^ | I need some help connecting my laptop via s-video |
| 07:36.47 | Mikey^ | This is my xorg.conf and xrandr -q output : http://pastebin.ca/1896505.Please help |
| 07:37.08 | HackeMate | macrobat: thanks, i go try now |
| 07:37.28 | Mikey^ | I only get no signal on the lcd display |
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| 07:39.22 | Mikey^ | can anyone help me |
| 07:39.24 | Mikey^ | please |
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| 07:40.51 | crazy2k | Can someone help me understand what this says? It's a linker script. http://github.com/crazy2k/zafio/blob/grub/src/linker.ld |
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| 07:42.30 | Mikey^ | nobody used svideo before ? |
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| 07:44.58 | macrobat | Mikey^: i dont know if svideo is different from VGA, i think you need to pass some parameters to xrandr to get a signal on it |
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| 07:45.47 | Mikey^ | macrobat: I tried that |
| 07:45.57 | Mikey^ | xrandr --output TV --auto |
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| 07:46.31 | antgel | *sigh* just came back from hibernate, and my usb keyboard didn't work when i plugged it in. tried modprobe -r uhci_hcd and it hung. su is also hanging. is there any way out of this shit |
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| 07:48.08 | techouse | i got sort of a problem.. my neighbour fucked up hiw windows installation by removing something from the registry that made windows recognise the mouse an keyboard, anyway, we wanted to reinstall windows or linux but the laptop is so old that it refuses to boot from usb and if you stick a bootlable cd inside it says it's not bootable |
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| 07:48.45 | techouse | so is there any way i could copy debian net install files to the hdd and install it directly from hdd |
| 07:48.56 | techouse | if i remove the hdd and stick it in another laptop, ofc |
| 07:49.18 | macrobat | techouse: are there bios settings to boot from cd |
| 07:49.20 | lindi- | techouse: well you can connect the hdd to another computer and install it to that |
| 07:49.21 | techouse | and copy the files on the other laptop and then put it back in |
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| 07:49.29 | rvsjoen | crazy2k: how about you try to ask about the specific things you don't understand |
| 07:49.30 | techouse | macrobat: tried just about anything in bios |
| 07:49.32 | techouse | no chance |
| 07:49.40 | techouse | it ready but says not bootable cd found |
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| 07:50.12 | techouse | lindi-: i have given that some thought already, but won't there be any conf problems then? |
| 07:50.39 | lindi- | techouse: probably nothing major |
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| 07:51.07 | rvsjoen | crazy2k: for starters ENTRY() defines the entry point, and ALIGN(0x1000) is used to align the segments on page boundaries (4096 bytes) |
| 07:51.31 | techouse | lindi-: i have already tried to go with the windows xp installer to the point where it just copies all the files to the hdd and wants to reboot, i removed the hdd and put it back in the original laptop and it jst loads the installer of winxp and the screens goes blank |
| 07:51.46 | lindi- | techouse: how did you get to windows xp installer? |
| 07:51.58 | techouse | lindi-: cause the guy insisted on winxp |
| 07:51.59 | techouse | :P |
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| 07:52.21 | techouse | some people are just stubborn as mules |
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| 07:52.48 | techouse | but when i've shown him that he can use linux to salvage his data he had a completely different opinion :P |
| 07:54.11 | DogBoy | about salvaging his data anyway |
| 07:54.21 | techouse | lindi-: oh, how, i ready why :D emm, i stuck the hdd in another laptop that reads bootable cds and then installed winxp on it |
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| 07:55.07 | techouse | lindi-: is there then any way i could make debian reconfigure itself after it's been installed on another machine and then placed in the original laptop? |
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| 07:55.22 | techouse | i mean, any simple way? |
| 07:56.01 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: OK. I understand that ``a = b;`` is an assignment. However, the dot is a special character, right? |
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| 07:56.22 | lindi- | techouse: depends on what reconfigure means here |
| 07:56.36 | techouse | dunno dpkg reconfigure all maybe? |
| 07:56.39 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: I don't understand what's the first assignment for, and what are the other uses of the dot for. |
| 07:57.25 | techouse | i mean, just to make it work as it should cause the guy doesn't know any linux to fix it and is very fond of that laptop |
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| 07:57.58 | lindi- | crazy2k: . is current address i think |
| 07:58.15 | rvsjoen | yes, its called the 'location counter |
| 07:58.21 | crazy2k | lindi-: What happens if you set . to something? |
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| 07:59.13 | rvsjoen | if you dont set the address of output section, the current location counter is used, and the counter is increased by the size of the output section |
| 07:59.24 | macrobat | techouse: do the machines share the same architechture? |
| 07:59.44 | rvsjoen | so the first assignment essentially tells you where the text segment starts |
| 08:00.00 | techouse | have no idea, but they are both old laptops since they have ide hdds |
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| 08:00.07 | techouse | haven't seent he other one |
| 08:00.13 | techouse | but both are x8 |
| 08:00.15 | techouse | x86 |
| 08:00.22 | techouse | and probably both intel |
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| 08:01.49 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: So, after the .text :{}, . has the value of 0x00100000 + size_of_.text ? |
| 08:02.02 | rvsjoen | right |
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| 08:02.49 | lindi- | crazy2k: and possibly some alignment |
| 08:03.51 | rvsjoen | crazy2k: http://sourceware.org/binutils/docs-2.20/ld/index.html there are a few simple examples with explanation in the docs |
| 08:04.09 | rvsjoen | chapter 3 |
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| 08:04.45 | crazy2k | rvsjoen, lindi-: Thanks. |
| 08:05.15 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: What about those symbols "sbss" and "ebss". Do those assignments have any effect? |
| 08:05.26 | thorpe | I'm thinking about using a Debian vps to host a publically available shell server. Can anyone recommend some docs on securing/hardning the system for this purpose? |
| 08:05.41 | crazy2k | I thought assingments didn't have any colateral effect. |
| 08:05.54 | rvsjoen | crazy2k: the are symbolic constants |
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| 08:06.10 | rvsjoen | they will be available during linking, so you can use them in the code |
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| 08:06.28 | rvsjoen | to say, find the start and end address of bss |
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| 08:07.03 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: Ohh, so they have no effect, but I can use them. |
| 08:07.03 | rvsjoen | do 'nm' against a binary linked using that linker script and you will see them |
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| 08:09.41 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: And how would I use them in the code? |
| 08:10.12 | Snadder | Anyone know if its normal to get lots of packetloss when I do: ping -s 20000 -l 10 -f ? |
| 08:10.26 | Snadder | ..When I ping my router like that |
| 08:10.39 | Snadder | mtu is 1500 |
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| 08:10.58 | rvsjoen | crazy2k: you declare them as extern, and use them as any other variable |
| 08:11.05 | Snadder | ..So I guess the packets gets fragmented. |
| 08:11.16 | rvsjoen | snadder: you on adsl ? |
| 08:11.18 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: Cool. |
| 08:11.27 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: Thanks. You've been of great help. |
| 08:11.50 | rvsjoen | your welcome |
| 08:11.51 | Snadder | rvsjoen, I have an internal lan with Gbit connection i'm pinging on. |
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| 08:15.34 | crazy2k | rvsjoen: Sorry. The addresses like 0x00100000... They are the future virtual addresses where the program is going to bo loaded? |
| 08:15.51 | rvsjoen | so let me get this straight, you are doing flood pings of 10x20k ? |
| 08:16.07 | rvsjoen | crazy2k: yes |
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| 08:17.27 | rvsjoen | does ping whine about the receive buffer being too small when you start the ping ? |
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| 08:18.41 | Snadder | rvsjoen, WARNING: probably, rcvbuf is not enough to hold preload. |
| 08:18.58 | rvsjoen | that should give you a clue about why you are getting losses |
| 08:19.19 | Snadder | rvsjoen, and what does it mean? |
| 08:19.19 | rvsjoen | use smaller packets or increase the buffer |
| 08:19.31 | rvsjoen | it means there's not enough buffer to hold all the packets |
| 08:19.39 | rvsjoen | why are you doing this |
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| 08:20.44 | Snadder | rvsjoen, we have some network problems, and trying to do diffrent tests to identify where the problem is. |
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| 08:20.59 | rvsjoen | if you want to do throughput tests, use iperf or something |
| 08:21.07 | rvsjoen | ping wasn't really designed for that |
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| 08:57.24 | macrobat | !ask |
| 08:57.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:57.24 | quarterpounder | hi there. |
| 08:57.49 | macrobat | hi! welcome to #debian |
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| 08:58.36 | quarterpounder | i've totally broken my system with libc6. i've got one last shell running via ssh. everything i'm trying to execute segfaults. do you guys have any hints on how i could attempt to fix this? |
| 08:58.47 | rvsjoen | how did you break it |
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| 08:59.34 | quarterpounder | rvsjoen: stable/testing -> lack of brain -> remove... i thought it would be smart to do something like dpkg -x libc6...deb / |
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| 08:59.45 | rvsjoen | right |
| 08:59.53 | quarterpounder | but that didn't quite do what i'd expected ;) |
| 09:00.01 | rvsjoen | imagine that :) |
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| 09:00.34 | macrobat | easy way out is to reinstall :) |
| 09:00.37 | rvsjoen | short of a reinstall, I guess you at least need a live cd |
| 09:00.45 | ansgar | quarterpounder: Boot a rescue system, unpack correct version of libc. |
| 09:01.07 | quarterpounder | damnit |
| 09:01.26 | quarterpounder | that means i've got to search the machine.. |
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| 09:02.43 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to get nano to wrap that is longer than the displayed area the same way vim does? I dont mean while typing, I mean when displaying |
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| 09:03.12 | quarterpounder | there's no other way? the machine is pretty far away :( |
| 09:04.27 | j_m_k | Can somebody tell how to generate otf files on Debian? There seems to be no mpicc-vt binary available. |
| 09:04.53 | ansgar | quarterpounder: If you have static binaries of the required tools around, you could use them to unpack the libc package. Or try only using shell builtins to transfer the correct files ;) |
| 09:05.22 | ansgar | quarterpounder: But if everything using shared libraries segfaults as you said, there is not much one can do. |
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| 09:08.35 | quarterpounder | ansgar: are there any static packages of libc6? |
| 09:08.43 | quarterpounder | for debian stable |
| 09:08.53 | quarterpounder | errr |
| 09:09.00 | quarterpounder | what am i talking bout |
| 09:10.23 | bolt-work | you could always use cat, if available, and paste the entire file... |
| 09:10.24 | bolt-work | :P |
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| 09:11.07 | quarterpounder | i guess it's just the wrong symlink on /lib |
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| 09:14.52 | MrWax | I would like to find the differences between 2 files, but, only I would only like to know what lines there are in file1 that ARE NOT in file2, does anyone have a suggestion what I Can use? |
| 09:15.26 | petemc | diff |
| 09:15.34 | MrWax | diff, with what parameters, i cannot find any that do this |
| 09:16.10 | petemc | i would have to refer to the manpage myself, and im not going to do that |
| 09:18.26 | wagle | luke... use the grep |
| 09:18.47 | liable | petemc: you lazy fucker! why wont you give me the answer i need without any work on my behalf! :/ |
| 09:19.10 | petemc | :) |
| 09:20.24 | sk4 | Ñdвac |
| 09:20.36 | peterrooney | MrWax: diff -b -y -w SOMEBIGNUM file1 file2 | most # use most, as more will not work for this |
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| 09:43.36 | nifiga | can anyone tell me what this logs mean? http://pastebin.com/SHTHidzz pings grow and server sometimes stops responding for 3-5 mins |
| 09:43.50 | nifiga | la is about 10, but there is nothing in top more than 10% cpu |
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| 09:45.39 | petemc | nifiga: look for processes in D state |
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| 09:55.01 | lmaowaffle | hello. i have a machine I would like to install debian. A machine on the network already has debian running. I would like to 'share' the apt pkg cache during installation of debian. How can i do this |
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| 09:55.11 | lmaowaffle | i can't find any options in the installer |
| 09:55.45 | lmaowaffle | i don't want to host any files on the current debian machine, though |
| 09:56.16 | lmaowaffle | a freebsd machine works as a file-server for the network, with http, ftp, rsync, samba data |
| 09:58.05 | petemc | lmaowaffle: probably your only option is to have a machine act a mirror |
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| 09:58.23 | petemc | +as |
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| 09:59.25 | lmaowaffle | petemc: i was considering nfs mount of a directory on the freebsd machine that contained debian pkg cache files |
| 09:59.32 | unixp | what means "DOS attack: FIN Scan" Whats that? |
| 09:59.35 | lmaowaffle | but i don't know how to mount from nfs with installer |
| 09:59.38 | unixp | in the router log |
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| 10:00.23 | petemc | lmaowaffle: i dont see how you could use packages from a nfs share in the installer |
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| 10:00.55 | lmaowaffle | petemc: maybe i could drop into command line, and mount directly to /target/var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 10:01.10 | petemc | i dont see how that would help |
| 10:01.14 | petemc | icbw tho |
| 10:01.17 | lmaowaffle | why not? |
| 10:01.36 | petemc | suck it and see |
| 10:01.47 | lmaowaffle | what's your prediction? |
| 10:02.14 | petemc | it will ignore those packages |
| 10:02.19 | lmaowaffle | why? |
| 10:02.25 | petemc | when does apt ever use them? |
| 10:02.37 | lmaowaffle | it's not in the search path? |
| 10:02.42 | lmaowaffle | it's a cache after all |
| 10:03.19 | petemc | not much point arguing with me |
| 10:03.31 | lmaowaffle | not arguing |
| 10:03.35 | lmaowaffle | seeking enlightenment |
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| 10:03.48 | lmaowaffle | or a simple elaboration |
| 10:04.11 | lmaowaffle | a mirror is a bit over-kill |
| 10:04.19 | lmaowaffle | my internet plan won't allow for it |
| 10:04.27 | macrobat | idk, pin the whole remote cache to have higher prio? :D |
| 10:04.33 | lmaowaffle | and a partial-mirror.. well, that'd require a debian server, no? |
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| 10:05.22 | macrobat | use a live-cd and debootstrap? |
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| 10:06.03 | lmaowaffle | the laptop is an older thinkpad model with no removable media nor bootable usb |
| 10:06.12 | macrobat | or just make a minimal install and then copy stuff over |
| 10:06.14 | lmaowaffle | i've installed openbsd on it via pxe-boot |
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| 10:06.35 | lmaowaffle | macrobat: yeah, but even then, it'd download packages that I probably already have stored in the cache |
| 10:06.41 | lmaowaffle | *re-download |
| 10:07.55 | lmaowaffle | macrobat: re: your pin suggestion, is there a way to have the cached packages structured by dir as it is on proper mirrors? |
| 10:08.01 | macrobat | you can install .deb files with gdebi or dpkg -i |
| 10:08.22 | lmaowaffle | of course, with limited packages, but a release file created from what actually exists |
| 10:08.38 | macrobat | i was just brainstorming about pinning |
| 10:09.17 | macrobat | structure the cache? why? |
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| 10:10.27 | lmaowaffle | aren't .debs on mirrors kept separately by category or alphabetical order? |
| 10:10.42 | lmaowaffle | ie not all in one dir |
| 10:11.31 | lmaowaffle | ah |
| 10:11.34 | lmaowaffle | apt-move does this |
| 10:11.44 | lmaowaffle | "Move cache of Debian packages into a mirror hierarchy" |
| 10:12.40 | lmaowaffle | i'd do that, and somehow generate an index or release file (whatever the correct term is) from that, and then rsync it onto the file server |
| 10:13.24 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.36 | petemc | fair bit of hassle to save a bit of bandwidth |
| 10:14.23 | lmaowaffle | 40G and counting, from docs I've read |
| 10:14.29 | lmaowaffle | bandwidth and space |
| 10:14.56 | lmaowaffle | and these docs are dated from yonks ago, so I'd imagine that figure to be bigger |
| 10:15.09 | petemc | you're installing every package? |
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| 10:15.23 | lmaowaffle | never said that |
| 10:15.31 | petemc | you implied it |
| 10:15.35 | lmaowaffle | when |
| 10:15.39 | petemc | just there now |
| 10:16.03 | lmaowaffle | counter to the 7+ times I explicitly didn't? |
| 10:16.13 | lmaowaffle | petemc: thanks. i'll sort it out |
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| 10:30.44 | alcy | folks, there's a terrible, terrible problem with my debian box |
| 10:30.56 | alcy | the hard disk has had some issues, and pretty much every week I have to do a forced e2fsck, resulting in a lot of inode entries, blocks and groups being modified. this time, there were files as well, including /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 10:31.10 | alcy | which got corrupted...infact delted. |
| 10:31.22 | alcy | I then copied the status-old file, only to discover that it was full of garbage and random headers as well, very cryptic. |
| 10:31.33 | alcy | So, basically apt won't work. |
| 10:31.46 | alcy | Then stupidly, I copied the status file from another squeeze box, to my current machine...and that has caused even mpore troubles. |
| 10:32.03 | alcy | ...and I have no clue now how to proceed/diagnose. |
| 10:32.08 | alcy | Any help appreciated. |
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| 10:33.56 | solar_sea | How can I specify in sources.list that I want to download i386 arch packages from a repo, and not amd64 ? |
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| 10:36.20 | d3x | solar_sea, IIRC you can't |
| 10:36.59 | solar_sea | yet another reason not to use the amd64 version then sadly |
| 10:37.14 | alcy | anyone ? |
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| 10:37.22 | d3x | solar_sea, erm.. why? |
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| 10:38.40 | d3x | alcy, i'd buy a new drive if i were you |
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| 10:39.48 | fabrice | hi, can you please tell me why so many cds are available for download ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:40.14 | alcy | d3x, yes I know but then there can be troubles otherwise also. So, if there's ANY way to diagnose this, it will be really appreciated. |
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| 10:40.49 | nkuttler | fabrice: because some people need them. most don't |
| 10:40.52 | d3x | fabrice, because there are? |
| 10:40.57 | nkuttler | !tell fabrice about netinst |
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| 10:41.35 | macrobat | fabrice: they contain all debian pkgs, sorted after popularity |
| 10:41.44 | fabrice | thanks ;) |
| 10:42.00 | fabrice | i'm only downloading cd1 so far |
| 10:42.20 | fabrice | (testing and 505 _lenny_) |
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| 10:45.49 | sepult` | wtf |
| 10:45.59 | sepult` | why is my nickname temporarily unavailable |
| 10:46.24 | cthuluh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.52 | sepult` | nope |
| 10:46.58 | sepult` | that doesn't help either |
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| 10:47.25 | sepult` | identifying myself, then quitting, waiting a lil'bit and starting erc again won't help either |
| 10:47.47 | sepult` | at first i'm registered to nickserv, but when i lookup my nickname is something else |
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| 10:51.08 | Matic`M | Hello there. I wonder whether someone could explain the following issue to me: lxoracle:/usr/src/database# file /usr/src/database/install/.oui /usr/src/database/install/.oui: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped lxoracle:/usr/src/database# ./runInstaller -silent -destinationFile /root/10g ./runInstaller: line 52: /usr/src/database/install/. |
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| 11:00.10 | macrobat | you use an installer script? maybe oracle knows |
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| 11:01.05 | Matic`M | True to that. But not finding a file that exists seems rather a linux related question as well, macrobat |
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| 11:06.13 | macrobat | i don't understand that "error" msg. some x86_64 vs i386 problem? |
| 11:06.13 | lindi- | Matic`M: your line was too long for IRC |
| 11:06.22 | lindi- | Matic`M: IRC is bit stupid and does not warn about it :( |
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| 11:06.32 | Matic`M | Right lindi-. Thank you |
| 11:06.40 | Matic`M | I'll just copypaste it to pastebin |
| 11:07.06 | Matic`M | http://pastebin.org/386220 |
| 11:07.07 | Matic`M | There we go |
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| 11:07.44 | lindi- | Matic`M: ok well that depends on what line 52 does :) |
| 11:07.55 | lindi- | Matic`M: but that's probably some non-free code which I don't want to see :P |
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| 11:09.06 | Matic`M | lindi-: the line 52 is the last of these three: http://pastebin.org/386223 |
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| 11:15.01 | macrobat | idk, set vars adn make the tests in that line manually. comment the line out and hope for the best. |
| 11:15.05 | otibom | i guys, my su command is telling me that my password is wrong --' even though "sudo ls" still works fine. i'm confused, what may cause that ? |
| 11:15.20 | rvsjoen | su takes the root password |
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| 11:15.29 | macrobat | su and sudo are different animals |
| 11:15.41 | rvsjoen | sudo su - |
| 11:15.42 | rvsjoen | :) |
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| 11:15.57 | otibom | ok |
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| 11:16.39 | otibom | but when i do "su" it tells me my password is wrong |
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| 11:16.55 | rvsjoen | who's password did you use |
| 11:17.05 | otibom | root's |
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| 11:17.48 | rvsjoen | how sure are you :P |
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| 11:18.38 | otibom | sudo takes the user's password ? |
| 11:18.42 | macrobat | yes |
| 11:18.58 | otibom | but it allows root operations ? |
| 11:19.10 | macrobat | usually |
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| 11:20.02 | macrobat | you can modify the behavior by running "visudo" |
| 11:20.53 | macrobat | if you dont know vi, you better export the $EDITOR variable first |
| 11:21.22 | otibom | visudo opens nano here :p |
| 11:21.48 | macrobat | man sudoers is a beast to read :) |
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| 11:22.59 | otibom | hmm it's seams i've been mixing up the sudo command for a "one shot su" |
| 11:24.09 | otibom | i've always used it as if "sudo foo" was equivalent to "su <root password> foo ; exit" |
| 11:24.36 | lindi- | otibom: you can configure sudo to use root's password |
| 11:25.10 | otibom | lindi-, that's in /etc/sudoers right ? |
| 11:25.20 | lindi- | otibom: yes |
| 11:25.25 | rvsjoen | man sudoers |
| 11:25.47 | otibom | thanks |
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| 11:29.18 | jauiwojau | Known: UUID of harddrive. Desired: the device name (/dev/sd???) (exactly that string, not more info.). How can I manage that? |
| 11:29.51 | otibom | i'm confused again. when i try to login as root in tty1 (ctrl+alt+F1) it tells me "login incorrect" |
| 11:29.51 | d3x | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUID|cut -fsomething |
| 11:30.05 | otibom | root's login is root right ? :D |
| 11:30.22 | d3x | unless it's not :P |
| 11:30.39 | macrobat | sudo passwd root :) |
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| 11:31.46 | jauiwojau | d3x: thanks. Going to try... |
| 11:31.58 | otibom | macrobat, thanks :) |
| 11:32.00 | lindi- | jauiwojau: readlink /dev/disk/by-uuid/$uuid |
| 11:32.40 | otibom | so a user that is allowed to sudo can change the root password without knowing it ? |
| 11:32.57 | d3x | jauiwojau, use lindi-'s solution :) |
| 11:33.12 | lindi- | jauiwojau: what are you trying to do btw? |
| 11:33.17 | d3x | otibom, if a user is allowed to sudo as root, he should really know it |
| 11:33.33 | macrobat | so don't have too many people in the wheel group |
| 11:33.34 | jauiwojau | d3 & lindi-: thanks |
| 11:33.45 | jauiwojau | lindi: I'll first try this. Moment. |
| 11:34.16 | otibom | d3x, of course. I really need to read man sudoers |
| 11:34.21 | otibom | thanks everyone |
| 11:34.35 | rvsjoen | gnu's su doesn't care about wheel |
| 11:34.39 | rvsjoen | afaik |
| 11:35.35 | macrobat | yes, i forgot, i have a wheel group set up, tough :) |
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| 11:36.11 | init1 | hi |
| 11:36.40 | macrobat | hi! welcome to #debian |
| 11:36.46 | jauiwojau | d3x: hmm, the UUID dir doesn't seem to contain the UUID of an external HD. Is that normal? |
| 11:36.48 | sepult` | my password changed ?? |
| 11:36.51 | sepult` | wtf |
| 11:36.55 | sepult` | who did change it ? |
| 11:37.07 | rvsjoen | the boogieman |
| 11:37.08 | d3x | jauiwojau, erm.. it's not a dir, it was more like a suggestion to input your uuid there :) |
| 11:37.24 | d3x | jauiwojau, they all should sit in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 11:38.11 | macrobat | sepult`: try #freenode if you have freenode issues |
| 11:38.47 | sepult` | i don't know what the issue is, i cannot get my nick and my |
| 11:38.47 | sepult` | password has changed, and i'm banned on several channels |
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| 11:39.18 | sepult` | i touched an empty .emacs to ensure the config is not broken or so |
| 11:39.21 | sepult` | to no avail |
| 11:39.29 | d3x | sepult`, then go ask #freenode. we can't help you, really |
| 11:39.33 | sepult` | neither in linux nor in windows |
| 11:39.36 | jauiwojau | d3x: hmm. Ok. |
| 11:39.49 | sepult` | ok |
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| 11:47.38 | jauiwojau | lindi-: thanks, didn't have the time to complete it completely yet, other work is waiting for me, but I'll continue next time. And... the Netherlands is going to win! (I hope...) ;-) |
| 11:47.58 | jauiwojau | d3x: same to you... |
| 11:49.06 | d3x | jauiwojau, you from .nl? |
| 11:49.37 | jauiwojau | yes |
| 11:49.46 | jauiwojau | and you? |
| 11:49.47 | d3x | good luck to your team :) |
| 11:49.48 | d3x | .pl |
| 11:49.53 | jauiwojau | :-) |
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| 11:50.36 | jauiwojau | well you good luck with your president.. |
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| 11:50.49 | jauiwojau | (new presidentI mean) |
| 11:51.12 | d3x | (yeah, the last one didn't have much luck lately) |
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| 11:51.56 | jauiwojau | :-/ CU! |
| 11:52.07 | d3x | cu2 |
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| 12:00.04 | freeone3000 | Say I'm attempting to setup a PC with a CD drive, network card, and keybaord, but no monitor or keyboard attached. Is there a debian release suited for this setup? |
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| 12:02.01 | d3x | freeone3000, with a [...] keyboard, byt no [...] keyboard attached. wtf? |
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| 12:02.03 | d3x | *but |
| 12:02.09 | freeone3000 | *Err. No *mouse* attached. |
| 12:02.23 | d3x | just fetch a netinstall |
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| 12:02.50 | d3x | oh, no monitor, it complicates things :) |
| 12:03.02 | d3x | do you have remote access to this machine already? |
| 12:03.21 | freeone3000 | d3x: It's currently running an illegitimate version of Windows Vista. I'm not even sure it'll boot in this setup. |
| 12:03.33 | d3x | *calling FBI* |
| 12:04.14 | freeone3000 | I have MSDN access. It's running Black Edition because that version was siginficantly faster, and the proc's an Athlon XP. |
| 12:04.35 | d3x | :) no problem for me. i don't care if your win is legal or not |
| 12:05.29 | OpenTokix | freeone3000: You can't connect a monitor temprarily? |
| 12:05.32 | freeone3000 | I'm getting netinstall. It'll be in the CD drive in approx. 2 minutes. I know that it'll boot from CD before going to HDD because I configured the BIOS. |
| 12:05.36 | freeone3000 | OpenTokix: I could, if I had one. |
| 12:05.52 | OpenTokix | freeone3000: Then you can use it while installing and then get remote access. |
| 12:06.08 | d3x | apparently he has no monitor ;) |
| 12:06.32 | freeone3000 | "if I had one" means I am not currently in possession of a monitor. I have this laptop, several other laptops, and a TV with solely composite and RF inputs. |
| 12:07.32 | OpenTokix | freeone3000: ok |
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| 12:08.33 | d3x | you can either go through the installation blindly (that sux) or find some livecd with sshd and debootstrap from it |
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| 12:08.49 | d3x | (or probably some other options that i don't know of) |
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| 12:12.16 | qq- | take away you hard disk from PC, and install it on same laptop , there are adapters 5.25" -> 3.5" .. |
| 12:12.30 | lindi- | freeone3000: just boot debian livecd and run the installer from it. |
| 12:12.46 | lindi- | with debootstrap you would need to do a lot of manual setup afterwards |
| 12:12.52 | qq- | no monitor .. |
| 12:13.03 | lindi- | qq-: well he'll add sshd to the livecd |
| 12:14.07 | lindi- | with http://live-helper.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-helper you should be able to setup such livecd |
| 12:14.11 | lindi- | you can test it on another machine first |
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| 12:14.59 | freeone3000 | qq-: Uh. Hard drive from PC obviously won't fit into the smaller laptop drive bay. |
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| 12:15.46 | qq- | adapters 5.25" -> 3.5" are long naps ... |
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| 12:16.40 | freeone3000 | I could get a monitor for less. |
| 12:17.05 | d3x | you have no neighbours with a monitor? :) |
| 12:17.07 | freeone3000 | I probably will later today, just because it's useful. But for now, because I'm impatient, I'll try the live helper. |
| 12:17.13 | freeone3000 | d3x: This is america. We don't talk to our neighbours. |
| 12:17.24 | d3x | oh, ok |
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| 12:17.45 | d3x | the only language of neighbourhood conversation is a shotgun i guess :) |
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| 12:18.05 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
| 12:18.30 | freeone3000 | So a minimal build with sshd should be sufficient for remote access? |
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| 12:18.51 | d3x | sshd + some shell and you're fine :) |
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| 12:19.03 | CyberDomovoy | how can i build one module from the kernel source (apt-get source kernel-image...)? |
| 12:19.12 | Jimmy_89 | hey guys, I am creating a raid5 array using mdadm |
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| 12:19.35 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, /msg dpkg m-a |
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| 12:20.07 | freeone3000 | You want the headers, not the source, btw. |
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| 12:21.31 | xover | how does flash non-free compare with open source flash? |
| 12:21.34 | xover | does it use binaries? |
| 12:21.35 | Jimmy_89 | I understand that you need to create partitions on each hard disk you wish to add to teh array. My question is I want to minimize the wasted space, so I want to set the reserved ext3 space to 0%. Do I need to set this to 0% on each of the partitions before I add them to the array? Or can I just set the reserved space to 0% on the main array disk? |
| 12:21.36 | qq- | freeone3000, put your hard disk in a USB bay .. |
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| 12:22.10 | d3x | xover, it might be able to play youtube. nothing advanced, though |
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| 12:25.13 | sCOTTo | hey guys - if I do a dist-upgrade and then want to reverse it - is there a way? |
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| 12:25.32 | cthuluh | the common answer is "no" |
| 12:25.38 | sCOTTo | ouch |
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| 12:25.52 | cthuluh | however, if you have time to waste, you can try |
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| 12:26.50 | sCOTTo | any good read mes on this ? |
| 12:26.51 | qq- | the question is: why upgrade ? |
| 12:27.13 | sCOTTo | hmm it was running some very old system and I Wanted it more secure as it is open opnline ;) |
| 12:27.20 | sCOTTo | bbs |
| 12:27.36 | CyberDomovoy | what if the module i want is in the kernel source, but not in m-a? (i'm trying to get rt2x00 on gnewsense) |
| 12:28.28 | qq- | sCOTTo, cat /etc/debian_version , says ? |
| 12:29.53 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, m-a build your new module ... |
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| 12:30.30 | phuzion | Is there a good tutorial for running debian as a mailserver? |
| 12:31.41 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> "rt2x00, what is rt2x00?" |
| 12:31.55 | LV-426 | phuzion, take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ if exim is an option |
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| 12:32.29 | phuzion | LV-426: thanks |
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| 12:32.57 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 12:33.55 | qq- | !rt73 |
| 12:33.55 | dpkg | The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the rt73usb next-generation driver, included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 12:34.33 | LV-426 | does a generic 'firewall' deb package make sense to anyone ? a 'firewall' init script would allow making web exposed init scripts suce as 'apache2' depended on it, while it would actually point to your favorite iptables init script. The package itself would only require one of the 'Firewall' tagged packages... |
| 12:34.39 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, /msg dpkg ralink firmware |
| 12:34.39 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> you're saying i have to build a new kernel? http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rt2x00_GIT_instructions |
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| 12:35.34 | freeone3000 | LV-426: Doesn't iptables already run at startup? I fail to see how your startup script being depended upon by apache is superior to just sticking it in /etc/init.d |
| 12:35.38 | LV-426 | not sure if modding other packages init dependencies is considered fair-play though... |
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| 12:35.47 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, no , just provide us some info about your wifi interfaces |
| 12:36.10 | LV-426 | freeone3000, yeah with a default accept all policy .... |
| 12:36.29 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> my card is a RT2700E(MS-6890) |
| 12:37.24 | qq- | try lspci -nn |
| 12:37.52 | freeone3000 | LV-426: Sticking your iptables init script on global startup would make more sense than making "all" internet-capable packages depend on it, some of which may not even start with a shell script. |
| 12:38.18 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> Ralink Device [1814:0781] |
| 12:38.50 | qq- | , pciid 1814:0781 |
| 12:38.52 | judd | [1814:0781] is 'RT2860' from 'RaLink' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'rt2860sta' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0781 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
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| 12:39.14 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, you are on lenny ? |
| 12:39.27 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> i'm on gnewsense metab |
| 12:39.47 | qq- | ask #gnewsense |
| 12:39.56 | LV-426 | freeone3000, the key point is dependency - currently all these services will launch regardless of your iptables init script exit status |
| 12:39.59 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> that's the point, this driver is not free, but for the moment i can't afford buying a new card |
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| 12:40.17 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> they won't answer, the driver is not free |
| 12:41.05 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, 'has kernel module 'rt2860sta' in sid' |
| 12:41.36 | qq- | aks in >=2.6.32 kernel .. |
| 12:41.45 | qq- | s/aks/ aka |
| 12:42.25 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> so i do need to build a new kernel... |
| 12:42.52 | qq- | no, use debian 2.6.32 kernel |
| 12:43.16 | qq- | if works on your distro .. |
| 12:44.01 | sCOTTo | qq-: 5.0.5 |
| 12:44.10 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> the point is i'd like to keep as close as possible to the "libre" kernel, i just need that particular module |
| 12:44.32 | qq- | sCOTTo, 5.0.5 has all security up to day |
| 12:44.49 | sCOTTo | thats cause I jsut upgraded it lol |
| 12:44.56 | sCOTTo | but now I broke something :( |
| 12:44.56 | freeone3000 | Propritary kernel modules work fine with free kernels. nv continues to work great. |
| 12:45.08 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, debian kernel is a "libre" kernel |
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| 12:45.52 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> so why does it have rt2x00, wich uses non-free firmware? |
| 12:47.44 | qq- | CyberDomovoy, i get you the solution, i don't to discuss other thing , you don't use debian so good luck |
| 12:48.06 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> lol, nice, thanks |
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| 12:49.44 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> you didn't get me THE solution, but A solution, i have another one: use the ralink drivers provided on their website, and don't care to get very far from free philosophy |
| 12:50.10 | freeone3000 | Philosophy is overrated. |
| 12:50.18 | CyberDomovoy | qq-> the easiest way is not always the better one |
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| 12:50.38 | darksk1ez | CyberDomovoy: probably because the firmware is no longer part of the binary module |
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| 12:53.48 | CyberDomovoy | darksk1ez> so that means i'll need to get the firmware from non-free repos or ralink website right? fair enough for me |
| 12:54.47 | darksk1ez | sometimes they are bundled in a firmware package if the distributer has approved it |
| 12:55.24 | darksk1ez | see firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 13:16.46 | brammat0r | should I use full paths for system utils like echo and mkdir in my shellscripts? |
| 13:17.21 | teonanacatl | mh, i removed a package via apt-get remove and installed (the newest version) from the source. now the new binary is placed in /usr/local/bin, but it looks for it in /usr/bin (where it doesn't exist anymore) - whats wrong? |
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| 13:22.32 | frostschutz | brammat0r: usually not necessary |
| 13:23.01 | frostschutz | teonanacatl: try hash -r |
| 13:23.05 | brammat0r | I mean, what's more in style in Right Way To Do Things |
| 13:24.27 | frostschutz | brammat0r: paths may be slightly different depending on the distro so if you want it portable, don't specify full paths |
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| 13:24.58 | frostschutz | brammat0r: it may be a different story if it's security relevant (sudo /path/to/somescript instead of sudo somescript that could be anything) |
| 13:25.26 | brammat0r | yeah, that's my concerns exactly. both time. |
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| 13:31.22 | otibom | how can i know the progress of a file transfer (scp) that is running in the background (i used ^Z and then bg) ? |
| 13:32.06 | docmur | When my preseed loads the mirror I always get an error about the gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found. Then error: Bad signature on /tmp/net-retriever-3407-Release |
| 13:32.10 | docmur | how do I get the puiblic key |
| 13:32.14 | duxklr | brammat0r: I tend to use full paths because I want to know exactly what command is being used. Your $USER path maybe different then the actual user running the script. For example, if you write the script as your $USER then it runs as a different user, maybe their path is different and may have unknown results. |
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| 13:33.12 | brammat0r | yeah, I'm trying to write munin plugin. It's supposed to run from non-priveleged user, so I think portability > security. |
| 13:33.42 | brammat0r | in this particular case. |
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| 13:34.59 | duxklr | brammat0r: set the binary commands in a variable in the top of the script. MKDIR=/usr/bin/mkdir, then if you are really bored, setup if/case/etc type statements to deal with all systems. |
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| 13:35.21 | brammat0r | good point. |
| 13:35.46 | duxklr | I deal with a big environment of solaris, linux, bsd... I personally am a big fan of knowning exactly what is going on. I don't like surprises. |
| 13:36.05 | duxklr | When a $PATH could have ~/bin in it with odd stuff... |
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| 13:38.35 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:38.52 | d3x | \o |
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| 13:45.53 | solar_sea | I'm trying to use pk12tool / certutil to create an nss base for certificates. However anything I try results in : function failed: security library: bad database. |
| 13:46.06 | solar_sea | even certutils -N which is supposed to create a new database |
| 13:46.28 | solar_sea | any hints/tutorials how should I do it ? (those tools even lack manual pages ...) |
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| 14:12.03 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 14:14.47 | deever | how can i define a bridge without children in the network/interfaces? |
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| 14:17.26 | lmaowaffle | hello. is there a way to sort order of bugs at bugs.debian.org by date submitted, and not critical-ness? |
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| 14:18.21 | lmaowaffle | with the command: ls -alht|most , I get most:1: job table full |
| 14:18.55 | ootput | lmaowaffle: use the "Order by" dialog |
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| 14:20.12 | lmaowaffle | ootput: oh |
| 14:20.13 | lmaowaffle | thanks |
| 14:21.07 | lmaowaffle | now, strace -o debug.txt ls -alth |
| 14:21.18 | lmaowaffle | |most, gives me http://paste2.org/p/907734 |
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| 14:39.18 | rolandpish | Hi, Which is the package do I need to install in order to ping Windows machines by their machine name? |
| 14:42.49 | yang | How could I specify different mounting directory (like /dev/hda1) when building a new initramfs ? |
| 14:43.27 | rvsjoen | rolandpish: in addition to configuring nsswitch.conf, samba |
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| 14:49.31 | docmur | When my preseed loads the mirror I always get an error about the gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found. Then error: Bad signature on /tmp/net-retriever-3407-Release |
| 14:49.32 | docmur | how do I get the puiblic key |
| 14:50.55 | docmur | or better yet how to I get around this problem |
| 14:51.02 | docmur | all the mirrors do it |
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| 14:52.02 | rolandpish | rvsjoen, thanks! |
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| 15:11.50 | Bop | anyone here knows how to get a ASP HTTP POST with wget ? |
| 15:12.47 | petemc | i dont really know what you mean but it sounds more like a job for curl |
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| 15:13.01 | sCOTTo | hey guys - anyone here that can help me with pptpd ? |
| 15:13.10 | disgrntld | Does anyone know how to get the Haskell module XMonad.Config.Gnome on a Debian system? From what I understand it's in xmonad-contrib which Debian supposedly includes in the following packages: libghc6-xmonad-contrib-dev, libghc6-xmonad-contrib-doc, and libghc6-xmonad-contrib-prof. I have all of them and still get the following loading xmonad: Could not find module `XMonad.Config.Gnome'. Any ideas? |
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| 15:18.52 | disgrntld | The guys on #xmonad told me Lenny is probably too old? Can anyone confirm? Should I just use a backport if so? |
| 15:20.03 | petemc | worth a try |
| 15:20.06 | Bop | my opinion also |
| 15:20.29 | Bop | still , if u arent looking for anything in special , go ahead |
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| 15:22.23 | disgrntld | kk, thanks |
| 15:22.29 | jordanm | is something going on with the mailing lists? |
| 15:23.23 | jordanm | hasn't got any email for l.d.o today which is very unusual |
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| 15:46.33 | buu | Hrm. Anyone have any recommendations for some software to convert flash video files into something like avi? |
| 15:46.38 | buu | I've tried mplayer, but it just gave up |
| 15:46.59 | LV-426 | could a pre-up eth script create enough lag to trigger a udev "ethX renamed to ethX" event ? |
| 15:48.41 | dondelelcaro | buu: if you can play the files with mplayer, you can recode them with mencoder |
| 15:48.56 | dondelelcaro | buu: but normally you wouldn't bother |
| 15:49.08 | buu | dondelelcaro: I tried mplayer! |
| 15:49.20 | buu | Well, mencoder certainly wouldn't encode them |
| 15:49.25 | buu | I never checked if mplayer could play them |
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| 16:21.44 | Selles | Hello |
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| 16:25.14 | Selles | I'm trying to install squeeze on Gigabyte GA-K8U board with some old sata controler. The installation cannot automagicalyy recognize the driver and asks me to choose one from the listed below. Gigabyte's site says I should look for something for ULi M1689 Chipset. Google leads me to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-K8U but it is not much use for me. Can you help me to find name for the proper driver for my sata |
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| 16:27.35 | brah | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.37 | brah | Otherwise, no sound |
| 16:27.41 | JyZyXEL | how do i find out what driver is needed for Marvell 88E8059 |
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| 16:28.29 | cahoot | brah: hw:1 implies it's not the 'default' soundcard |
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| 16:28.56 | brah | That's correct, I'm trying to find where to change it, but I keep running into guides for 5.1 and stuff. |
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| 16:29.14 | brah | Also, I don't seem to have neither .asoundrc nor asound.conf |
| 16:29.22 | cahoot | brah: what has grabbed default status? |
| 16:29.34 | craigevil | JyZyXEL: sky2 |
| 16:29.36 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.40 | JyZyXEL | craigevil: thanks |
| 16:29.41 | brah | I have no idea. PnP Audio Device , USB Audio it says |
| 16:29.55 | JyZyXEL | brah: you can create .asoundrc |
| 16:29.58 | cahoot | brah: webcam? |
| 16:30.08 | brah | Nope, nothing plugged on the USBs |
| 16:30.10 | cahoot | don't mess with .asoundrc |
| 16:30.17 | craigevil | JyZyXEL: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 16:30.28 | dukebody | hello, I'm trying to install debian squeeze in an Acer Aspire One following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne but the installer can't find the ethernet card even passing the "noacpi" option to the kernel. Anyone has experience installing Squeeze into an aspire one? |
| 16:30.31 | brah | Ah, there's a card reader on a front panel USB. |
| 16:30.43 | brah | PnP Audio Device at usb-0000:00:02.0-7, full speed |
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| 16:30.47 | e-anima | someone ever used gparted to format an external usb drive? |
| 16:31.02 | brah | I've used it. |
| 16:31.03 | cahoot | brah: what module drives the real soundcard? |
| 16:31.04 | e-anima | it always....processing...anbd that forever. |
| 16:31.04 | dukebody | e-anima: me like 5 min ago |
| 16:31.14 | e-anima | thats the second external hdd i tried |
| 16:31.47 | brah | That's a good question. I don't really know. |
| 16:31.58 | e-anima | klick it format as...ext3 ...apply. |
| 16:32.00 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:32.11 | brah | 1 snd_usb_audio |
| 16:32.12 | brah | nothing else |
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| 16:32.20 | brah | 1 snd_usb_audio . |
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| 16:33.48 | cahoot | brah: do you know what kind of soundcard the system has? (lspci -nn might help) |
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| 16:34.49 | brah | It's an ASUS M2N-SLI, I-ll check on the internet. |
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| 16:35.43 | wrksx_ | Hi all. I got a locale probleme. I use php's ctype function but it doesn't accept special chars of my locale. How can I check this on the system ? I mean testing with another language than php |
| 16:35.46 | cahoot | brah: why not use lspci? |
| 16:36.11 | brah | It's not listed. I thought it's not because it seems to be enumerated as an USB device. |
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| 16:38.31 | Selles | Is sata_uli present in default squeese kernel? |
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| 16:38.56 | brah | Pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/1896759 |
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| 16:42.16 | Yueik | hi |
| 16:42.20 | Yueik | just a quick q |
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| 16:42.29 | Yueik | when i delete a user using 'deluser <user' i see Warning: group `users' has no more members. |
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| 16:42.58 | Yueik | when i do 'group <user>' i see io : users |
| 16:43.03 | Yueik | so there is a user in users? 0_o |
| 16:43.08 | Yueik | is this a bug? |
| 16:43.35 | brah | No idea about that, cahoot ? |
| 16:43.39 | klync | after a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny, my exim4 hooks into spamassassin stopped working. before i go crawling through the jungle that is /etc/exim4/ has anyone here solved this problem? |
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| 16:43.54 | cahoot | brah: the url doesn't load very fast |
| 16:44.02 | brah | Yeah, it's sort of slow. |
| 16:44.23 | brah | http://pastebin.com/ALPDSS5j |
| 16:44.26 | brah | Way faster. |
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| 16:45.28 | craigevil | Selles: its is in the 2.6.32 kernel, /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/ata/sata_uli.ko |
| 16:45.44 | cahoot | brah: does lsusb show the sounddevice? |
| 16:46.03 | brah | Ah. I believe it's this one, let me check. |
| 16:46.03 | brah | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0d8c:0201 C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM6501 |
| 16:46.19 | brah | Yes, that is the sound card. |
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| 16:46.31 | Selles | craigevil: I modprobed it still cannot see the drive |
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| 16:47.10 | jordanm | klync: did you check the upgrade notes? |
| 16:47.19 | Selles | found this http://software.itags.org/debian/25531/ but I'm not sure how to use it |
| 16:47.59 | cahoot | brah: I'll have to retract the statement about not creating an .asoundrc - seems you'll have to make one that reorders the two devices sinc the 'reader' for some reason also uses snd-usb-audio |
| 16:48.21 | brah | I'll try unplugging it. |
| 16:48.38 | klync | jordanm: leave it to this fine channel to ask the questions that make me say "d'oh" ... i'll take a look in /usr/share/doc but i was just diffing the acl rules that changed to see if i could spot the prob |
| 16:49.09 | cahoot | brah: run alsa force-reload after unplugging the reader |
| 16:49.32 | jordanm | klync: well, there is NEWS.Debian sometimes for that sort of thing, but also the lenny release notes covered quite a few potential problems with the upgrade |
| 16:49.39 | jordanm | !tell klync about lenny release notes |
| 16:49.39 | neilk | oh, this reminds me of a question i have. is there any way to make a program that uses ALSA work with an OSS interface? like pulseaudio or something? |
| 16:50.08 | jordanm | ,info alsa-oss |
| 16:50.10 | judd | alsa-oss (sound, optional): ALSA wrapper for OSS applications. Version: 1.0.15-1; Size: 50.8k; Installed: 168k; Homepage: http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 16:50.11 | brah | Sort of like a reverse alsa-oss? |
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| 16:50.27 | neilk | yeah, exactly, reverse |
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| 16:50.49 | neilk | i'm using a sun ray (with a linux server) which only has OSS support and flash player 10 doesn't support it |
| 16:51.12 | brah | Just did alsa force-reload |
| 16:51.40 | Selles | ok, I've got the hard drive, but I don't know at all what I did. |
| 16:51.41 | brah | Still not working. Have to speaker-test with -Dhw:1 |
| 16:51.46 | jordanm | neilk: does anything there run debian? |
| 16:52.06 | cahoot | brah: what corresponds to card0 now? |
| 16:52.08 | Yueik | Please can someone help? When I deluser a user I get a notice, Warning: group `users' has no more members.. But I know that there are other users in the 'users' group. Is this a bug? |
| 16:52.23 | neilk | actually i'm not sure what it is, i don't have root. where should i ask instead? |
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| 16:52.50 | brah | PnP Audio Device at usb-0000:00:02.0-7 which I think is PnP Audio Device at usb-0000:00:02.0-7 |
| 16:52.56 | brah | Wait, I derped |
| 16:53.05 | brah | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0d8c:0201 C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM6501 |
| 16:53.06 | eirikb | Hello. I want to put two of my disks in raid 5 using mdadm (/dev/sdb and /dev/sdc). So I ran mdadm --create /dev/md0 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc --raid-devices 2 --level 5. Then I ran mdadm -Es | grep AR >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.config to get it in boot. Just to be sure I rebooted. Now I have /dev/md127, not /dev/md0. Why? |
| 16:53.26 | Blice | Hi, I dd'd a failing drive to a new one and fsck'd it; some core utilities were removed due to corruption. How do I go about force updating coreutils so that the deleted ones get replaced? |
| 16:54.17 | brah | install --reinstall? |
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| 16:55.15 | jordanm | eirikb: RAID 5 requires atleast 3 drives.. |
| 16:55.24 | eirikb | jordanm: No, it requires at least 2 |
| 16:55.34 | eirikb | jordanm: i just get half the space |
| 16:55.34 | Selles | Ok, thanks anyway, hope the system will kindly boot after the installation without any additional magic. |
| 16:55.45 | Blice | brah: Thanks, do you happen to know the name of the package/group for core utils? |
| 16:55.55 | eirikb | jordanm: But I will upgrde to three when I get my final disk, but running on two should be fine, and upgrading as wel |
| 16:56.04 | neilk | ... coreutils |
| 16:56.07 | brah | Blice, coreutils? |
| 16:56.08 | jordanm | eirikb: ah, I see, it something specific to mdadm |
| 16:56.14 | jordanm | "while mdadm supports a fully-functional (non-degraded) RAID 5 setup with two disks - which function as a slow RAID-1, but can be expanded with further volumes." |
| 16:56.31 | brah | `apt-get install --reinstall coreutils` |
| 16:56.37 | Blice | thanks much |
| 16:56.41 | eirikb | jordanm: Yeah, which is my ultimate plan :) But why do I get md127? |
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| 16:57.07 | jordanm | eirikb: don't know, conversation came up the other day, I didn't pay enough attention |
| 16:57.32 | eirikb | jordanm: Yeah, Google told me some others have the same thing, but I could not find any solution |
| 16:57.34 | jordanm | eirikb: you can try searching the logs, want to say it was within the last month... could be a dead-end though |
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| 16:58.13 | eirikb | jordanm: I'll just stay to google and hope someone here might know eventually :) Thanks |
| 16:58.51 | jordanm | eirikb: I would suggest the mailing list, although I think there might be a problem with it currently |
| 16:59.10 | eirikb | jordanm: OK, that I will do |
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| 16:59.59 | jhutchins_lt | I would be quite surprized if you could build a "RAID 5" array on two devices. |
| 17:00.20 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: see my wikipedia quote above |
| 17:00.40 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: it apparently does, with the expectation you will add another drive |
| 17:00.40 | jhutchins_lt | It's true that you can USE a RAID 5 array that has lost one device - hence, a two dev array - but I doubt you can BUILD one to begin with. |
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| 17:00.56 | eirikb | jhutchins_lt: It is strange. But it works. And it's only a workaround until I get enough disks |
| 17:01.11 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I was suprised to read that also |
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| 17:01.42 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I don't read that quote differently from my own statement. |
| 17:01.53 | eirikb | jhutchins_lt: Well it does work. The only problem I have is that it's names md127, which scares me. But it's fully functional |
| 17:02.03 | jhutchins_lt | eirikb: So you say you have built a two dev array? |
| 17:02.21 | eirikb | jhutchins_lt: It seems so, yes |
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| 17:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | eirikb: Have you successfully saved and retrieved data? |
| 17:03.17 | eirikb | jhutchins_lt: Yes |
| 17:03.31 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 17:03.51 | jhutchins_lt | That's certainly now how I learned RAID 5, but if it works, it works. |
| 17:03.57 | eirikb | jhutchins_lt: I did some testing last night, and I ran mkfs on it, and files I saved were still there today |
| 17:04.15 | eirikb | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, but mdadm might be doing some hacks |
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| 17:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | Well, theoretically it's the same as a three dev array with a failed device. |
| 17:05.11 | eirikb | Thats no good then |
| 17:05.33 | jhutchins_lt | It's like plain striping, if you loose one device you loose all data. |
| 17:05.34 | eirikb | But I can have a loss-able raid until I get the disk, whats the odds! :) |
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| 17:05.37 | tharkun | Lets say that you need to get your dish asap |
| 17:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | eirikb: No, you have a total loss raid. |
| 17:06.05 | eirikb | jhutchins_lt: That is what I meant |
| 17:06.21 | jhutchins_lt | eirikb: Ah, yes, not resistant to failure. |
| 17:06.27 | eirikb | I'm no good with this language :/ |
| 17:06.45 | jhutchins_lt | I'm probably worse with yours. |
| 17:07.43 | eirikb | Well, so we can say I'm living on the edge until I get the last disk. But I still have md127... Oh, and if it runs with a failed disk, why do I get only half the space |
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| 17:08.15 | tharkun | Part of the design principle on raid, you get less space because of redundancy |
| 17:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | Dunno that. That suggests mirroring, but you should have something like striping. |
| 17:09.29 | eirikb | tharkun: If I understand RAID 5, I should get space equivalent to two disk when using three? |
| 17:09.47 | tharkun | on a fully working system |
| 17:10.04 | eirikb | tharkun: And on a system with two disk, expecting three - I assume |
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| 17:10.25 | tharkun | wrong, where do you store the info that should go on the 3rd disk? |
| 17:10.43 | eirikb | tharkun: Nowhere I guessed |
| 17:10.52 | eirikb | tharkun: Since it should have three disks from start |
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| 17:11.35 | brah | Tried reloading, dpkg-reconfigure, using an .asoundrc, and still no sound. |
| 17:12.05 | tharkun | eirikb: wrong reconstructing data is more expensive than storing on a different plate, so instead of writing to the third disk you will have to write to one of the available disks |
| 17:13.37 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: So it's storing partial data and reconstructing it on read? |
| 17:13.47 | eirikb | tharkun: So then it will set the RAID to half the size it was? What happens if you had more data then that? |
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| 17:14.32 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: It should store full data, as i allready said, reconstructing data costs more than storing. |
| 17:14.44 | brah | (days) |
| 17:15.10 | eirikb | I have to go now - time for beer. Thanks for info and chat. I'll keep my session open if someone know how to make my /dev/md127 into /dev/md0. |
| 17:15.42 | tharkun | eirikb: If you store the data as originaly intended the array will reconstruc according to that. That is the reason tha you urgently need the missing disk |
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| 17:20.11 | osmosis | how can I view the changelog for a update before installing it? |
| 17:20.15 | jordanm | tharkun: I saw your msg, good to hear you got it fixed |
| 17:20.22 | path | aptitude osmosis |
| 17:20.29 | simonrvn | !apt-listchanges |
| 17:20.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>. |
| 17:20.32 | brah | whut |
| 17:20.36 | brah | # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard |
| 17:20.47 | path | aptitude changelog package |
| 17:21.12 | brah | What the hell ALSA |
| 17:21.23 | brah | why would you prevent my sound card from loading first by default |
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| 17:22.23 | brah | cahoot, the problem lied on /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ; for some reason the default config prevents snd-usb-audio from being selected as the default soundcard |
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| 17:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | brah: That makes a lot of sense from a hardware standpoint. |
| 17:23.41 | osmosis | how do I use it? apt-listchanges qemu-kvm fails |
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| 17:24.17 | brah | jhutchins, I guess it has something to do with multiple soundcards |
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| 17:24.40 | osmosis | aptitude changelog package that works |
| 17:25.00 | cahoot | brah: ok |
| 17:25.29 | jordanm | osmosis: did you try man apt-listchanges? |
| 17:25.42 | jordanm | or perhaps /usr/share/doc/apt-list/changes/* |
| 17:25.42 | brah | apt-listchanges? No such file or package. |
| 17:25.55 | jordanm | ,info apt-listchanges |
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| 17:25.57 | brah | ah, there it is |
| 17:25.58 | judd | apt-listchanges (utils, optional): package change history notification tool. Version: 2.83; Size: 76.8k; Installed: 264k |
| 17:27.17 | jhutchins_lt | brah: Debian has on the order of 30,000 packages available. Not all of them are installed by default; not all of them can necessarily be installed together. If a command is not found, check to see if the package is not installed. |
| 17:28.20 | jordanm | !dstats sid |
| 17:28.20 | brah | I had tried both apt-listchanges and apt-changes but none of the files was found. So i tried to install apt-changes when I should have tried apt-listchanges. That's why I thought the package apt-listchanges didn't exist. |
| 17:28.20 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 29878 packages, 2158 maintainers, 96362 MB installed size, 35992 MB compressed size. |
| 17:28.21 | jordanm | !tell brah about apt-file |
| 17:28.51 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: *almost* 30k :) |
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| 17:30.44 | tharkun | ,versions qemu-kvm |
| 17:30.46 | judd | qemu-kvm -- lenny-backports: 0.12.4+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.12.4+dfsg-1; squeeze: 0.12.4+dfsg-1 |
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| 17:33.23 | simonrvn | the number of packages has doubled since i started using debian |
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| 17:38.51 | lor | hi |
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| 17:39.25 | lor | my debian installation became very slow in resolving DNS...what could be the problem? |
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| 17:39.47 | jordanm | lor: avahi-daemon |
| 17:39.51 | solifugus | /secretserver.address/andshare/ /var/backups/secret-remote/ smbfs defaults,credentials=/etc/secret.smbauth 0 0 |
| 17:39.57 | solifugus | gives this error: error -1 (Unknown error 18446744073709551615) opening credential file /etc/redcap.smbauth |
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| 17:40.13 | solifugus | even when I chmod 666 /etc/redcap.smbauth |
| 17:40.22 | lor | jordanm, it's not even installed |
| 17:40.45 | jordanm | lor: some other mdns service? what does /etc/nsswitch.conf look like? |
| 17:40.54 | solifugus | I google'd this fstab/smb credential file problem and found others having it... but no solution. |
| 17:41.07 | lor | jordanm, looks like the default one.. |
| 17:41.14 | solifugus | Does anyone mount cifs shares using a credential file? |
| 17:41.19 | solifugus | successfully? |
| 17:41.37 | lor | routing table is default too |
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| 17:41.51 | lor | but every command that involves DNS takes 3-4 seconds to respond |
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| 17:41.58 | lor | even a ping! |
| 17:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Been doing it since the capability first came out, no problems so far. |
| 17:42.18 | jhutchins_lt | cifs or smbfs. |
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| 17:42.44 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: what do you make of this kind of error? |
| 17:42.51 | solifugus | error -1 (Unknown error 18446744073709551615) opening credential file /etc/redcap.smbauth |
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| 17:43.13 | lor | I also get this in syslog: Jul 8 17:41:58 rain init: Id "xvc0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 17:43.30 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: what's ls -l say about the file? |
| 17:44.10 | jhutchins_lt | lor: disable ipv6. |
| 17:44.25 | lor | jhutchins_lt, does it require a reboot? |
| 17:44.39 | jhutchins_lt | lor: Yes. |
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| 17:45.18 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: I did a chmod 666 on it, since 600 failed.. and so now it looks like: -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 50 2010-07-08 13:31 /etc/redcap.smbpass |
| 17:45.21 | upIRC | hi, I need kernel 2.6.30 lenny, can't find it in back-ports. Where? would it be. Is there a reason why it isn't? |
| 17:45.38 | lor | jhutchins_lt, I've added alias net-pf-10 ipv6 off |
| 17:45.38 | lor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.38 | lor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.45 | IvoryZion | Debian comes with quite a few groups and users pre-created. Do I need all these or can I delete them? |
| 17:45.49 | lor | do I have to remove the kernel module too? |
| 17:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | lor: That should happen on reboot. |
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| 17:46.11 | lor | ok |
| 17:46.12 | fxiny | upIRC: bpo offers 2.6.32 , running fine here |
| 17:46.39 | lor | rebooting.. |
| 17:46.43 | simonrvn | lor: the module isn't removable anyway, once installed into kernel mem. |
| 17:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Which release are you on? |
| 17:46.46 | lor | done :) |
| 17:46.48 | upIRC | fxiny: no DRM here, something wrong with udev, since 32. |
| 17:46.57 | upIRC | Need .30 |
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| 17:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: You can of course cat the file successfullY? |
| 17:48.02 | upIRC | agpgart, is flussed. |
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| 17:48.19 | jhutchins_lt | tries to remember the command to show numeric permissions... |
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| 17:48.44 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: yes.. cat and vi |
| 17:48.58 | simonrvn | uh, you can't work them out in your head? :) |
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| 17:49.07 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Mine is rw root, read for group, no access for world. |
| 17:49.15 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: i am on lenny... apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on a daily cron |
| 17:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: I can, it would just be nice to display them easily. I tend to forget the numerics. |
| 17:49.38 | lor | it didn't solve the problem...dns resolving is still extremely slow |
| 17:49.50 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: That can be dangerous if you get an interactive update, but anyway. |
| 17:49.52 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: yes.. that would be chmod 600.. that's how i started mine.. but it got that error |
| 17:49.59 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: So it SHOULD be working. |
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| 17:50.06 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Which error? |
| 17:50.34 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: the same error: error -1 (Unknown error 18446744073709551615) opening credential file |
| 17:50.53 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: The only thing I can think of is a typo in your fstab. |
| 17:51.26 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: the same issue was reported by others (found in google search on error); after an update.. on a couple different flavors of linux. |
| 17:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: I think I would remove the trailing slashes from the share and mount point, they are not correct. |
| 17:52.10 | upIRC | http://codetidy.com/127 here is the out of dmesg | grep drm |
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| 17:53.09 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: correct format: //minerva/music /minerva/music cifs credentials=/etc/samba/auth.minerva.root 0 0 |
| 17:53.13 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: but u were correct.. it was a typo in fstab... geez... sorry |
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| 17:53.19 | upIRC | So I am stuck betwen .26 and .32, neither work for my graphics harware? |
| 17:53.38 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: it was a typo in the credential file name |
| 17:53.42 | upIRC | alls I need is .30, whos screwed up? |
| 17:53.50 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Heh. Gets us all once in a while. |
| 17:53.54 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: -n |
| 17:53.59 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: ls -n |
| 17:54.13 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: like that, does it automount on boot? |
| 17:54.27 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Gives me numeric UID/GID. |
| 17:54.38 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: oops, that's u/gids |
| 17:54.43 | G69 | http://ainanas.com/gajas-nanas/francoise-boufhal-morena-gostosona/ - é qualquer coisa.. |
| 17:55.12 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Well, no, because my wireless doesn't come up until the GUI loads, but if I were wired it would. |
| 17:55.30 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: stat . from the man -> Access rights in octal |
| 17:56.23 | simonrvn | doesn't seem to have one |
| 17:56.35 | simonrvn | weird |
| 17:56.40 | lor | I've fixed the problem |
| 17:56.53 | simonrvn | gnu ls has just about everything else... |
| 17:57.11 | simonrvn | even stuff like -m "display as CSV" |
| 17:57.12 | fxiny | so is : stat -c %a file |
| 17:57.35 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: thx. |
| 17:57.36 | simonrvn | yeh, stat. i forget about that one.... |
| 17:58.00 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: np |
| 17:58.20 | simonrvn | fxiny++ |
| 17:59.12 | fxiny | simonrvn: i'm all slimed up :P |
| 17:59.25 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:59.47 | upIRC | No help? |
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| 18:01.13 | simonrvn | looking |
| 18:01.46 | simonrvn | modprobe mtrr ? |
| 18:01.47 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:01.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-16); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:01.58 | upIRC | .32 is not properly loading firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 18:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | Do you have an i915? |
| 18:02.47 | upIRC | Yes |
| 18:02.48 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:03.18 | simonrvn | weli mooliagwetch |
| 18:03.28 | simonrvn | (good afternoon) |
| 18:03.37 | jhutchins_lt | upIRC: Shouldn't that use the intel xorg driver? |
| 18:04.20 | upIRC | here is the output of lspci -n, debain HCL http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx |
| 18:04.55 | alox | i just set up a debian 5 server but i can't send emails from it (using php), how do i do? should i install exim/sendmail?how? |
| 18:04.57 | upIRC | using the "intel" driver, in xorg.conf |
| 18:05.15 | jordanm | upIRC: that is not a link to your results, and a xorg.conf shouldn't even be needed |
| 18:05.27 | upIRC | glxinfo direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set) |
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| 18:06.00 | upIRC | load "glx" "true", load "dri" "true", Mode 0666. it's all done. |
| 18:06.10 | upIRC | Still no DRI though |
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| 18:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | That page explicitly does not check X drivers. |
| 18:08.34 | upIRC | 00:00.0 0600: 8086:2a40 (rev 07) |
| 18:08.35 | upIRC | 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2a42 (rev 07) |
| 18:08.35 | upIRC | 00:02.1 0380: 8086:2a43 (rev 07) |
| 18:08.35 | upIRC | 00:19.0 0200: 8086:10bf (rev 03) |
| 18:08.35 | upIRC | 00:1a.0 0c03: 8086:2937 (rev 03) |
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| 18:08.51 | upIRC | srry :) |
| 18:08.55 | jhutchins_lt | upIRC: Try moving/renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:09.04 | upIRC | ok |
| 18:10.33 | fxiny | simonrvn: heheh this is for folders lovers ;) . try this : stat -c '%F %a %n ' * |
| 18:10.51 | fxiny | no f* folders ! |
| 18:11.12 | jhutchins_lt | That page states i915 for the driver, which is deprecated. |
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| 18:16.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-i915 |
| 18:16.47 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xserver-xorg-video-i915' was found. |
| 18:16.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 18:16.54 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny7; sid: 2:2.9.1-4; squeeze: 2:2.9.1-4; experimental: 2:2.12.0-1 |
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| 18:21.23 | upIRC | No, it didn't work. It looked like Sh*t. After I got X running again. |
| 18:22.01 | upIRC | So I am using the old config for |
| 18:22.03 | upIRC | X |
| 18:22.21 | upIRC | Why can't I just have the .30 kernel? |
| 18:22.39 | upIRC | I am sure it would be fixed if I just had that. |
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| 18:23.32 | jhutchins_lt | upIRC: What makes you think so? |
| 18:24.09 | upIRC | Because I have been reading, and it's since .32 |
| 18:24.32 | upIRC | But I need .30 minimum |
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| 18:27.08 | upIRC | So it's screwed. Typical, why does this happen, who makes these disappear, when we need them. |
| 18:27.27 | upIRC | We can't have gaps like this man |
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| 18:28.13 | upIRC | how can we .26 and skip through to .32? |
| 18:28.29 | Bushmills | kernel.org |
| 18:28.38 | upIRC | kernel.org sucks |
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| 18:28.48 | ElllisD | I installed some sid packages in lenny & now apt-get -f install wants to remove the whole system- How can I force downgrade without doing that? |
| 18:28.58 | Bushmills | help yourself |
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| 18:29.16 | upIRC | And then they dont get it right in .32? |
| 18:29.42 | upIRC | so we need .30 and can't get it, I wonder why debian is being outed by ubuntu. |
| 18:30.06 | upIRC | ubuntu have it. |
| 18:30.12 | Bushmills | stable hasn't changed kernel |
| 18:30.19 | Bushmills | or, do your run testing, by any chance? |
| 18:30.21 | upIRC | this sucks |
| 18:30.33 | upIRC | no lenny, clean install cant do shit |
| 18:30.36 | bzrk_ | upIRC: dont cry, run testing |
| 18:30.42 | bzrk_ | upIRC: Linux overkill 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:31.05 | Bushmills | if you don't like what's being offered, then grab the sources and fix ut |
| 18:31.06 | Bushmills | it |
| 18:31.25 | bzrk_ | upIRC: stable isnt aimed at desktop users really |
| 18:32.05 | upIRC | I know what your saying, it would be relevant if it was true. I have debian HCL telling me it works, and then its broken. Not organised. |
| 18:32.07 | bartm | bzrk_: I use lenny for desktop usage, and it's really fine |
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| 18:32.34 | bzrk_ | bartm: yeah it works, but if you have new hardware its sometimes a hassle |
| 18:32.49 | bzrk_ | bartm: imo testing is the most fun on the desktop |
| 18:33.04 | upIRC | Well I am using a laptop. |
| 18:33.24 | bzrk_ | upIRC: dont get scared by the name testing, its rock solid |
| 18:33.52 | upIRC | fujitsu siemens amilo pi 3525, 4 gb RAM, 2.0 Ghz dualcore. |
| 18:34.20 | upIRC | pi 3625 |
| 18:34.37 | upIRC | It's not bad paid just over 800 buck for it |
| 18:34.45 | Bushmills | that machine must suck, if it seems to run with 2.6.30 only |
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| 18:34.57 | upIRC | Got debian installed on an 8gb microSD funky |
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| 18:35.47 | jordanm | bzrk_: your kernel is out of date and -trunk should be removed |
| 18:36.04 | upIRC | Got 500 gb of storage I could install to HD, but why when it sucks this bad. |
| 18:36.07 | bzrk_ | jordanm: i havent updated in ages |
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| 18:36.28 | upIRC | Like it only cost me 8gb so far |
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| 18:37.24 | upIRC | Bushmills: this machine is awesome for mobile does everything I need, it's got 4gb Of RAM, man. |
| 18:37.25 | jordanm | bzrk_: how can you call it "rock-solid" if you haven't even made say, the transition to a new default python? |
| 18:37.38 | jordanm | bzrk_: or xserver 1.8 |
| 18:37.46 | Bushmills | then stop whining that everything sucks if things are perfect |
| 18:37.51 | upIRC | GFx aren't bad also. |
| 18:38.07 | krisfremen | is still on an old version of python, newest versions break stuff, half my apps won't work |
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| 18:38.34 | upIRC | I know this machine was just over a grand, a few months before I purchased. |
| 18:38.51 | bzrk_ | jordanm: because i use it for 10 years and daily at work |
| 18:39.03 | upIRC | I just need that kernel. |
| 18:39.04 | dima202 | i want ultimate browsing performance ... what should i do raid 0 strip size 16 or what? |
| 18:39.12 | upIRC | And then I'll be very happy. |
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| 18:39.56 | Bushmills | this isn't google. try that to find a kernel |
| 18:40.08 | jordanm | !tell upIRC about snapshots |
| 18:40.11 | bzrk_ | upIRC: if you desperately want to stay with lenny you can backport |
| 18:40.16 | upIRC | I have tried, google finds it, and Debian loses it. |
| 18:40.28 | dima202 | i will really be working with lots of small files |
| 18:40.30 | upIRC | It's like false advertising |
| 18:40.31 | bzrk_ | upIRC: maybe theres even a recent kernel in backports already |
| 18:40.52 | jordanm | bzrk_: he doesn't need a recent kernel, he needs an exact version |
| 18:41.07 | jordanm | because of his poor choice of hardware |
| 18:41.09 | Bushmills | is that upIRC a troll which i am feeding? if so, apologies. didn't notice |
| 18:41.32 | bzrk_ | upIRC: lenny-backports (kernel): Linux 2.6 for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) |
| 18:41.33 | bzrk_ | 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1 [backports]: amd64 i386 |
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| 18:41.49 | upIRC | jordanm: thanks for the link :) |
| 18:42.01 | dima202 | im not troll plz tell me browsing performance strip size |
| 18:42.10 | upIRC | bzrk_: 32 SMP is what I need. |
| 18:42.15 | upIRC | I used to be on 64 |
| 18:42.17 | dima202 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.04 | dima202 | working with with many small files |
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| 18:43.28 | fxiny | no wonders : foo ginseng gets even pi wrong |
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| 18:43.43 | fxiny | pi 3625 |
| 18:43.46 | upIRC | bzrk_: I deffo want to stay with I know how good it is, I'am just moaning. Been at it now for 3 days. And If I can just get DRI, then I'll install to HD, np. |
| 18:44.03 | dima202 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.03 | bzrk_ | upIRC: kk good luck :) |
| 18:44.04 | upIRC | It can have 300gb |
| 18:44.08 | jhutchins_lt | dima202: Seriously, RAID format is not going to affect the performance of your browser. |
| 18:44.49 | dima202 | jhutchins_lt: i know, but working with many small files |
| 18:45.26 | jhutchins_lt | RAID performance is determined by the number of devices and the capacity of the processor on the controller. |
| 18:45.28 | dima202 | i work with generating data so read/write on burst data is important |
| 18:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | dima202: Use a controller with plenty of cache. |
| 18:46.21 | jordanm | reiserfs is supossed to be especially fast when dealing with small files |
| 18:46.31 | dima202 | i am using software raid setting it up from my 939 dual sata thats really old |
| 18:46.32 | dutchfish | simonrvn: ehe, thanks |
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| 18:47.35 | upIRC | It can have 300gb. when it cooperates. |
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| 18:48.52 | jhutchins_lt | dima202: You're not going to get any significant performance improvement then. You might get a little bit if you striped it. |
| 18:48.58 | meder | so, somehow i cant ssh to my server, says connection timed out |
| 18:48.59 | jhutchins_lt | dima202: Two drives? |
| 18:49.01 | meder | but other people can |
| 18:49.08 | meder | the hostname IS resolving to the IP that I want |
| 18:49.18 | rking | I wonder if there's something just like devilspie, but better. |
| 18:49.18 | meder | and I tried sshing directly to my own ip.. I think I blacklisted myself somehow. |
| 18:49.25 | dima202 | yes |
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| 18:49.40 | dima202 | jhutchins_lt: |
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| 18:49.52 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: hi, r u helping ? can i paste the address of a you tube video? about the ram issue? |
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| 18:50.01 | Mehtrala | or anyone else is helping? |
| 18:50.18 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: No, thank you, not interested in youtube. |
| 18:50.50 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: I thought we explained things yesterday. |
| 18:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: You really can't use USB devices for RAM. You can put swap files on them. |
| 18:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: W7 has a disk caching system that can use 'special' usb keys (not just any key), it's mostly a way to sell special keys and doesn't significantly affect performance. |
| 18:52.00 | dima202 | jhutchins_lt: i think 16k should be suffecdient |
| 18:52.01 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: Your best bet would be to swap the USB key for some DIMMs. |
| 18:52.19 | Mehtrala | k |
| 18:52.43 | dima202 | i am working with files 20kb to 1mb |
| 18:53.17 | dima202 | thousands need to be created as fast as possible |
| 18:53.30 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: off topic, but im pretty sure the usb keys used with the windows disk caching dont have to be special |
| 18:53.44 | dima202 | 16k strip seems like a good strip size rig,ht? or am i missing somwthing |
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| 18:54.37 | rubin110 | After running rsync to back up a full file system to another machine, --stats stated that some files were not transferred, and the transferred file number didn't match up with the total file number. Is there a way to get rsync to give me a list of what didn't get sent over? |
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| 18:57.24 | SuperAlekZ | hey |
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| 18:57.53 | SuperAlekZ | anyone here willing to set up a mailserver for me so that it works with wordpress user-registration? of course i will give credit :) |
| 18:57.59 | SuperAlekZ | i hope that my request was okay :) |
| 18:59.46 | solifugus | rsync is giving this weird error.. what does it mean? rsync: rename "/var/backups/redcap-remote/BACKUP/.2010-05-12_17:13_backup.sql.MEBumt" -> "2010-05-12_17:13_backup.sql": Invalid argument (22) |
| 18:59.52 | solifugus | for lots of files |
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| 19:01.54 | fxiny | i don't like rsync : i've lost some files cause of src file corruption , i run rsync and rdiff-backup |
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| 19:02.46 | frostschutz | I love rsync :) |
| 19:03.11 | fxiny | yes ? you don't run it --delete mode i bet ... |
| 19:03.32 | frostschutz | depends |
| 19:03.55 | frostschutz | for full mirrors, I do, but for backups I prefer dar |
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| 19:03.59 | jordanm | if you want the destination to be an exact copy you do |
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| 19:04.45 | jordanm | IMO rsync is best used in combination with archiving, such as rsnapshot |
| 19:04.56 | solifugus | I am just trying to make an offsite backup of some local backups |
| 19:05.12 | fxiny | rsync is damned dangerous |
| 19:05.19 | frostschutz | solifugus: some filesystems do not support : in filenames... |
| 19:05.22 | jordanm | fxiny: what is dangerous about it? |
| 19:05.28 | SuperAlekZ | anyone here willing to set up a mailserver for me so that it works with wordpress user-registration? of course i will give credit :) |
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| 19:06.00 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; set it up as a smarthost through, say, your gmail account |
| 19:06.03 | jordanm | really easy |
| 19:06.40 | fxiny | jordanm: i had file corruption : "stale nfs" so it deleted my good backup file , got it back tx to rdiff-backup previos version |
| 19:06.44 | jordanm | err I mean to relay through a smarthost |
| 19:07.03 | SuperAlekZ | jordanm: possible with yahoo mail too? |
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| 19:07.19 | Bop | anyone here knows how to HTTP post on a .net server ? |
| 19:07.21 | jordanm | fxiny: its not rsync's fault that a) your were backing up corrupt data b) you didn't have archives of good data |
| 19:07.32 | jordanm | fxiny: rsync did exactly what you told it |
| 19:07.46 | fxiny | jordanm: is rsync fault , file reports the corruption |
| 19:08.04 | fxiny | so rsync is pretty dumb in --delete mode |
| 19:08.12 | dima202 | i put 16 k |
| 19:08.18 | upIRC | thanks |
| 19:08.51 | fxiny | jordanm: just think about file corruption |
| 19:09.10 | jordanm | fxiny: just think about making more than one copy of the destination |
| 19:09.13 | solifugus | frostschutz: yes.. in this case, it's going to a windows share.. what can I do? |
| 19:09.24 | jordanm | fxiny: rsync did _exactly_ what you told it to do |
| 19:09.35 | jordanm | then you called rsync dumb. if i were rsync, I would be offended |
| 19:09.38 | frostschutz | solifugus: use a different filesystem, or use tar or similar |
| 19:09.38 | jordanm | hehe |
| 19:09.41 | disgrntld | lol |
| 19:09.42 | fxiny | jordanm: you have a good backup and rsync kills it , i have rdiff-backup running |
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| 19:10.21 | fxiny | jordanm: no way , it could not read the file but the file name was still there |
| 19:10.22 | solifugus | frostschutz: can't use another filesystem.. it's not my offsite system.. tar might work.. but it's a gigabyte and growing.. |
| 19:10.34 | frostschutz | solifugus: or rename the offending files ;) |
| 19:11.09 | solifugus | frostschutz: I didn't create those files--rsync did... I didn't put and : in my filenames.. those are hidden files made by rsync |
| 19:11.20 | fxiny | jordanm: in my opinion rsync should skip leaving the destination file untouched and report the error |
| 19:11.44 | frostschutz | solifugus: a "2010-05-12_17:13_backup.sql" is definitely not by rsync |
| 19:12.03 | fxiny | obviously it doesn't , that's why i said is dangerous in --delete mode |
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| 19:12.30 | solifugus | It's got a . as the first character.. oh.. you're right.. otherwise.. that's the time... geez.. |
| 19:12.37 | jordanm | fxiny: you would end up with a load of trash in your backup without it |
| 19:13.24 | solifugus | I'm not going to go rename 5 million files.. I'll have to revert to tar... it can do incrementals, I believe.. |
| 19:13.25 | frostschutz | delete mode is dangerous, I don't make backups with --delete, just mirrors |
| 19:13.26 | fxiny | jordanm: why ? take mv and cp on a corrupted file : they do nothing , rsync should do the same |
| 19:13.28 | jordanm | restoration of the backup would give you your old server + all the files that were deleted off that server at one point |
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| 19:14.30 | jordanm | fxiny: perhaps you are right on that last statement, and a bug report is needed |
| 19:15.51 | fxiny | jordanm: is not a bug report , i'm not complaining , it could be a request , but i am a user so i have a little voice . sysadmins can do better |
| 19:16.03 | SuperAlekZ | jordanm: is it possible to do it with yahoo mail? :) |
| 19:16.19 | jordanm | fxiny: in debian a "request" is a bug report with severity "wishlist" |
| 19:16.24 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: no idea |
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| 19:18.15 | SuperAlekZ | jordanm: would you mind to assist me? :/ |
| 19:18.25 | SuperAlekZ | because i got really no time to read this whole documentation-stuff |
| 19:18.31 | SuperAlekZ | i love technique and servers etc |
| 19:18.33 | SuperAlekZ | but no time.. |
| 19:19.23 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: then you should pay someone who does have the time IMO |
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| 19:20.07 | Good-maN | SuperAlekZ: whats up? |
| 19:20.37 | SuperAlekZ | hm yea jordanm :/ |
| 19:20.43 | SuperAlekZ | hey Good-maN how do you mean? :) |
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| 19:21.15 | Good-maN | SuperAlekZ: maybe i can help... but i dont know whats going on. |
| 19:21.25 | jordanm | breaks out his syadmin for hire sign |
| 19:21.30 | jordanm | sysadmin |
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| 19:21.44 | SuperAlekZ | oh alright :) need to install/configure a mailserver on debian for wordpress user-registration :) |
| 19:22.04 | jordanm | its likely already installed |
| 19:22.18 | fxiny | jordanm: i think you are right . but i cannot do that now |
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| 19:22.46 | SuperAlekZ | jordanm: yea, probably |
| 19:22.49 | SuperAlekZ | i think it is, too |
| 19:22.56 | SuperAlekZ | but i need to configure it :/ |
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| 19:23.56 | jordanm | right, without taking the time to learn how. you should hire someone |
| 19:24.50 | fxiny | jordanm: can i do it tomorrow ? you said "bug report with severity "wishlist"" , is this ok ? |
| 19:25.25 | SuperAlekZ | Good-maN: are you still there? |
| 19:25.43 | Good-maN | SuperAlekZ: look query |
| 19:26.04 | Good-maN | or Pm or how you call it |
| 19:26.22 | bartm | or dialog or msg or privmsg |
| 19:26.36 | Good-maN | bartm: exactly thnx :) |
| 19:27.28 | SuperAlekZ | or private-chat :o |
| 19:27.30 | SuperAlekZ | or flirt :) |
| 19:27.52 | Good-maN | if you will call it so :P |
| 19:30.55 | jordanm | fxiny: yes, and the "reportbug" tool will offer "wishlist" as an option. If you have never used reportbug before, make sure you run it without options first so it will generate a config |
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| 19:32.37 | fxiny | jordanm: used it once , looking for the damned email i used ;) |
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| 19:39.52 | datacrusher | im what repo is nvidia-kernel-dkms for debian 64? |
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| 19:40.42 | bartm | datacrusher: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 19:42.12 | datacrusher | bartm, thanks! how do i add a repo that includes this package to my debian instalation? |
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| 19:42.18 | datacrusher | so i can install via aptitude |
| 19:42.28 | bartm | datacrusher: are you using lenny ? or squeeze ? |
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| 19:43.07 | datacrusher | 2.6.22.2 5.0.5 |
| 19:43.54 | datacrusher | lenny |
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| 19:44.23 | bartm | datacrusher: google for "apt pinning" and configure apt to get nvidia-kernel-dkms from testing |
| 19:44.52 | datacrusher | hm.. is there a more easy way to install nvidia drivers on lenny 64? |
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| 19:45.39 | bartm | dpkg: tell datacrusher about nvidia |
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| 19:49.01 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 19:49.02 | judd | nvidia-kernel-dkms -- sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4 |
| 19:49.29 | jordanm | !tell datacrusher about pinnning |
| 19:49.47 | jordanm | !tell datacrusher about pinning |
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| 19:50.46 | datacrusher | im missing a print dialog on my system menu... is there somethint i need to install to print ? |
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| 19:51.59 | Good-maN | datacrusher: yes cups but normaly its installed, but from where you will print? |
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| 19:53.11 | datacrusher | i wanna print a wiki page via opera browser |
| 19:53.27 | datacrusher | but when i choose print i got no printer installed. we got some network hp printers here i wish to add |
| 19:53.41 | datacrusher | but on system > admin or > preferences i got nothint related to printers |
| 19:53.53 | datacrusher | tryed reinstalling cups-client, but nothing changed |
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| 19:55.21 | bartm | datacrusher: you should have "system, administration, printing" |
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| 19:56.10 | upIRC | Woohoo, DRI is now functional, i915 :) |
| 19:56.33 | datacrusher | bartm, i dont have this shortcut. checked under menu editor if its disabled |
| 19:56.40 | upIRC | but still glxinfo says DRI no, but it works, how annoying |
| 19:56.54 | bartm | datacrusher: do you have the package "system-config-printer" ? |
| 19:57.44 | upIRC | I just had to install a few extra packages noting difficult. using kernel 2.6.32 rc4 686, works a charm , thanks debian :) |
| 19:57.50 | datacrusher | bartm, no, installing |
| 19:58.00 | Good-maN | datacrusher: then do it :) |
| 19:58.25 | datacrusher | ahá! now i got a printing |
| 19:58.27 | upIRC | Looks like I'll be staying with lenny for a while now, happy, happy, happy. |
| 19:58.36 | upIRC | good wrk. |
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| 20:01.00 | datacrusher | very good, thats what was missing, thanks bartm |
| 20:01.15 | jhutchins | upIRC: You might make a note of what you did and append it to the wiki or something, at least post it to a list. |
| 20:01.39 | bartm | datacrusher: np |
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| 20:04.52 | jacekowski | i have a problem with glibc on debian |
| 20:04.59 | jordanm | !ask |
| 20:05.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:05.01 | jacekowski | libcrypt |
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| 20:05.18 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.23 | jacekowski | == segfault |
| 20:05.52 | upIRC | jhutchins: I couldn't infuse the documentation with anything other, it worked like a charm. |
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| 20:07.59 | jacekowski | Linux jacekowski.org 2.6.32.2-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 29 14:41:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:08.05 | jordanm | jacekowski: do other applications currently written for debian using that also segfault? what version of debian? |
| 20:08.07 | jacekowski | jacekowski:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:08.07 | jacekowski | squeeze/sid |
| 20:08.24 | jordanm | jacekowski: thats not a default debian kernel, is grs == grsecurity? |
| 20:08.35 | jacekowski | ii libc6 2.10.2-9 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:08.41 | jacekowski | jordanm: yes |
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| 20:09.04 | jordanm | jacekowski: well, you libc is out of date for starters |
| 20:09.08 | wonderwal | in fstab, what does having "defaults" option on an xfs filesystem do? |
| 20:09.09 | jordanm | ,versions libc6 |
| 20:09.10 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
| 20:09.20 | jordanm | jacekowski: upgrade to the latest version and try again |
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| 20:10.32 | jordanm | wonderwal: man mount; search defaults. it listens the options it gives |
| 20:10.37 | jordanm | lists |
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| 20:11.52 | upIRC | Now it's time to format a partition and migrate this baby over. |
| 20:12.32 | bartm | jacekowski: are you sure that crypt() doesn't return NULL ? |
| 20:12.45 | jacekowski | bartm: it does |
| 20:12.50 | jacekowski | bartm: but it shouldn't |
| 20:13.26 | bartm | jacekowski: so the problem you're having is that crypt("12345","hq") should not return NULL |
| 20:14.08 | jordanm | I am not a C programmer, but I was under the impression that you had to pass a pointer to char array, and could just throw a string in there like say, python |
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| 20:14.57 | jacekowski | jordanm: well, compiler is doing that |
| 20:15.04 | jacekowski | and thing is that it works fine on fedora |
| 20:15.11 | jacekowski | and on maemo |
| 20:15.16 | jacekowski | and probably couple other |
| 20:15.57 | jordanm | jacekowski: well, when troubleshooting testing/unstable, you should always start by grabbing the latest version |
| 20:16.11 | Pryon | jacekowski: what's the value of errno after calling crypt() ? |
| 20:16.24 | pigdude | can GNU tar follow symlinks? |
| 20:16.30 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 20:16.31 | jacekowski | #define _XOPEN_SOURCE |
| 20:16.36 | jacekowski | and it's working |
| 20:16.46 | pigdude | I'm trying o archive something that must contian some files contained in a symlinked dir |
| 20:16.48 | Pryon | It's possible that some ubersecure system might not have crypt() enabled due to weakness |
| 20:17.02 | Pryon | ok |
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| 20:18.01 | pigdude | the -h --dereference option looks related |
| 20:18.02 | bartm | jacekowski: yep that's it |
| 20:18.16 | pigdude | "donât dump symlinks; dump the files they point to", not sure what's meant by dump |
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| 20:19.01 | cbsd | hi, im trying some software in debian and i got this problem: rack-1.2.1... && # gem install rails &&ERROR: Error installing rails: actionpack requires rack (~> 1.1.0, runtime) |
| 20:19.15 | cbsd | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 20:20.39 | bartm | cbsd: where did you get that software from ? |
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| 20:21.05 | cbsd | apt-get install ruby ruby1.8-dev rubygems |
| 20:21.12 | cbsd | from there |
| 20:21.35 | cbsd | im using debian 5.0.5 |
| 20:22.17 | pigdude | the -h option worked, for those watching from home |
| 20:22.19 | bartm | cbsd: can you pastebin the command and entire output ? |
| 20:22.58 | cbsd | # gem install rails |
| 20:23.01 | cbsd | that? |
| 20:23.18 | cbsd | that's the command that give me the error |
| 20:23.42 | cbsd | actionpack requires rack (~> 1.1.0, runtime) |
| 20:23.47 | cbsd | but i got rack 1.2 |
| 20:23.48 | jordanm | cbsd: if you want to use ruby's package manager (which may conflict with debian's), you should get support at #ruby |
| 20:23.52 | cbsd | how can i hold that |
| 20:23.54 | cbsd | or ignore it |
| 20:24.47 | cbsd | lets try there then (: |
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| 20:24.50 | jordanm | cbsd: if you want to use debian's package manager, aptitude install rails |
| 20:25.14 | pigdude | rubygems is awful |
| 20:25.34 | pigdude | except for the allowing multiple installed versions part, which can be useful |
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| 20:47.19 | gizmore | where is the default dir for phpmyadmin (lenny)? |
| 20:47.48 | jordanm | gizmore: look at the config, should be in there |
| 20:48.14 | gizmore | jordanm: sure, i just look in the phpmyadmin.config to know where the config file is :) |
| 20:48.45 | gizmore | max nesting level reached ;) |
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| 20:49.05 | bartm | :) |
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| 20:49.25 | Good-maN | gizmore: /usr/share/phpmyadmin dachte ich |
| 20:49.34 | jhutchins_lt | gizmore: dpkg -L phpyadmin |
| 20:49.50 | jordanm | gizmore: I meant /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf should contain the dir.. the in "Alias" line |
| 20:49.55 | jordanm | and yes, dpkg -L |
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| 20:50.17 | jordanm | gizmore: make sure you read the README in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin |
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| 20:50.27 | gizmore | ah ok... thank you all :) |
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| 21:11.29 | wire | i can't get splasy to work with a fresh install of squeeze |
| 21:11.37 | wire | splashy |
| 21:12.54 | wire | it says it can't connect while I am booting up, and it later says I need to add splashy to my boot options and add a vga mode line |
| 21:13.27 | wire | splasy test works fine after I have booted however |
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| 21:34.06 | osmosis | how can I force this package to uninstall?? http://dpaste.com/216121/ |
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| 21:35.43 | jhutchins | osmosis: I take it it's failing to stop the server because the server isn't running, because it won't start? |
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| 21:37.46 | b0nghitter | fsck red5 |
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| 21:37.50 | b0nghitter | <3 fms |
| 21:38.23 | osmosis | jhutchins: exactly! |
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| 21:38.43 | b0nghitter | make sure all your java stuff is working, red5 uses java |
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| 21:42.08 | osmosis | jhutchins: any ideas? |
| 21:42.15 | thrashold | Can anyone suggest a video player that supports changing audio sync different than vlc and mplayer? |
| 21:42.54 | b0nghitter | osmosis change your pre-removal script |
| 21:42.57 | Tramp | osmosis: there is no "red5" package in Debian, afaikt - so maybe it's best to ask, whoever provided this package? |
| 21:42.58 | b0nghitter | so it doesnt error |
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| 21:44.41 | osmosis | http://dpaste.com/216125/ |
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| 21:45.57 | osmosis | Tramp, i dont want to use it anymore. I just want to remove it. |
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| 21:46.29 | osmosis | b0nghitter, how would i do that? |
| 21:46.46 | Tramp | osmosis: yes. So ask, whoever provided that package, how to remove it properly is, what I mean. |
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| 21:49.36 | osmosis | Tramp, it was a random link on a website. i highly doubt i can contact someone. |
| 21:50.05 | Tramp | bummer |
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| 21:52.52 | Tramp | osmosis: apart from that, my wild guess would be, to search /etc/init.d/red for the stop-action (inside a case-statment usually) and make it succeed (by putting something like "return 0" beneath it. This may solve that problem. |
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| 21:54.34 | b0nghitter | am i the only one who thinks alot of packages are just a little too out of date? |
| 21:54.51 | d3x | b0nghitter, yes |
| 21:54.53 | b0nghitter | at least for a default install |
| 21:55.03 | b0nghitter | lol |
| 21:55.04 | d3x | what's a 'default install'? |
| 21:55.08 | nike | How do I change my system to use UUIDs in config files like fstab |
| 21:55.09 | frostschutz | b0nghitter: it's called stable around these parts |
| 21:55.12 | nike | automatically and correctly? |
| 21:55.13 | b0nghitter | as in not using unstable etc |
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| 21:55.25 | d3x | b0nghitter, unstable is default for me :) |
| 21:55.28 | nike | I want to be able to swap around SATA and PATA disks without the entire damn thing breaking |
| 21:55.50 | rvsjoen | nike: I think you can make udev give the correct device node based on the uuid |
| 21:55.59 | b0nghitter | well alot of the new packages are stable on many other distros i dont see why they couldnt be on debian as well |
| 21:56.16 | b0nghitter | as they would probably help performance and fix bugs etc |
| 21:56.39 | b0nghitter | but if old and obsolete is what stable means then i guess im just confused |
| 21:56.41 | nike | rvsjoen: How?? |
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| 21:57.17 | rvsjoen | udev documentation would be a fair bet |
| 21:57.52 | d3x | b0nghitter, because that's debian policy. either you accept it or use another distro. simple |
| 21:58.02 | tharkun | Good evening, i am having trouble to set up an ati video card. The x server complains that there is no ati module. This is an upgrade from etch to lenny. |
| 21:58.04 | rvsjoen | or you jump to testing |
| 21:58.14 | b0nghitter | i had the couce of ehel fedora centos ubunto or debian for a dedi server |
| 21:58.20 | b0nghitter | rhel* |
| 21:58.40 | b0nghitter | i heard ubuntu is unstable for a server so i chose debian |
| 21:58.41 | rvsjoen | for a dedicated server, i'd pick debian any day of the week |
| 21:58.46 | _hexguy | does anyone know how to switch to python2.6 to the default python interpreter? using squeeze btw |
| 21:59.06 | d3x | _hexguy, update-alternatives? |
| 21:59.15 | b0nghitter | im fine with debian its just that im scared it might not be allowing the full potention of the server |
| 21:59.23 | _hexguy | d3x: what is that for? |
| 21:59.25 | rvsjoen | what packages are you concerned about ? |
| 21:59.36 | b0nghitter | and the others just suck and are 3x as out of date |
| 21:59.48 | frostschutz | b0nghitter: debian is fine for servers, you don't usually need the latest bleeding edge software on a server, and security wise there is no problem, as stable does get security updates |
| 21:59.52 | IvoryZion | How do I add the unstable repo to my apt/source.list? |
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| 22:00.00 | d3x | b0nghitter, wait, you just said other distros have more recent software? |
| 22:00.14 | rvsjoen | ivoryzion: why do you want to, and to be honest, if you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it |
| 22:00.36 | b0nghitter | more recent but not "stable" or so i was told |
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| 22:01.23 | rvsjoen | !tell ivoryzion about unstable |
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| 22:03.24 | b0nghitter | idk i guess the logic of "try not to update anything until it causes a problem" is just backwards to what im used to |
| 22:03.31 | mitya | hi Gents |
| 22:03.35 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. I can't seem to simultaneously get (1) EmulateWheel; and (2) sensible keyboard layouts in xorg. What do I do? |
| 22:04.05 | b0nghitter | i like "try to stay updated until it caues a problem" |
| 22:04.20 | jonaskoelker | see http://pastebin.com/Gm9CyziT and http://pastebin.com/Rv6WhVVt |
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| 22:04.39 | mitya | I have a pg database with latin2 encoding. When I try to strtoupper a latin2 character, it does not convert it to capital for some reason |
| 22:04.42 | d3x | b0nghitter, i already told you - if you don't like debian policy, don't use debian... |
| 22:04.56 | qq- | b0nghitter, gentoo exist |
| 22:05.13 | mitya | can it be a debian specific issue ? |
| 22:05.19 | IvoryZion | I found it... they call unstable 'sid'. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 22:05.23 | b0nghitter | i use use gentoo on the dedi im replacing |
| 22:05.29 | tharkun | qq-: are you an ati user? |
| 22:05.50 | qq- | tharkun, not specifically .. |
| 22:05.55 | rvsjoen | ivoryzion: you really should reconsider _strongly_ before you add any packages from sid |
| 22:06.00 | rvsjoen | but suit yourself |
| 22:06.09 | IvoryZion | rvsjoen, thanks for the advice. |
| 22:06.16 | IvoryZion | I'll will keep it in mind. |
| 22:06.18 | b0nghitter | d3x: i dont want to change os until it causes a problem :p |
| 22:06.18 | tharkun | qq-: This piece of metal will not start x and i am in kind of a hurry can you lend me a hand? |
| 22:06.58 | d3x | b0nghitter, use testing then... it's pretty stable _and_ pretty updated |
| 22:06.58 | qq- | try X -configure :1 |
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| 22:07.18 | rvsjoen | tharkun: which version of Xorg, and which driver are you using |
| 22:07.45 | b0nghitter | ah ok thx ill look into it |
| 22:08.11 | d3x | tharkun, isn't the ati module called radeon or radeonhd now? |
| 22:08.26 | d3x | (last time i used ati it was a rage 128) |
| 22:08.34 | Pryon | jonaskoelker: Have you tried running 'Xorg -configure' and using the resulting xorg.conf just to see if you get what you want? |
| 22:09.15 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: I'd think so, but let me try again |
| 22:09.38 | qq- | tharkun, see Pryon too ^^ |
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| 22:11.02 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: it segfaults :( |
| 22:11.04 | tharkun | qq-: it seems the line you gave me generated a working copy of xorg |
| 22:11.23 | tharkun | rvsjoen: update from etch to leeny |
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| 22:11.42 | qq- | tharkun, cool |
| 22:11.49 | Pryon | jonaskoelker: Hmmm, that's no good. Can I assume X was not running at the time? |
| 22:12.04 | tharkun | d3x: Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF is the one i am struggling for the moment |
| 22:12.07 | b0nghitter | what's the best backup app that takes use of a 2nd hdd? i dont have raid but i want to keep a clone, or as close to one as possible |
| 22:12.08 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: yep |
| 22:12.20 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: but maybe I ran it wrong (from inside tmux instead of a "clean" VT) |
| 22:12.24 | Pryon | ah :-) |
| 22:12.42 | Pryon | b0nghitter: I like rdiff-backup, but I'm weird |
| 22:12.51 | d3x | tharkun, huh, try running vesa driver :) might be the only one still working with the oldie :) |
| 22:12.54 | Pryon | "best" is hard to pin down |
| 22:13.19 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: nope, it dies on tty3 too |
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| 22:15.47 | nike | How can I change my fstab over to using UUIDs? |
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| 22:17.01 | Pryon | jonaskoelker: You have AllowEmptyInput set to "on". This disables input devices using the "mouse" driver. I'd try setting that to "off" and see what happens. |
| 22:17.49 | Pryon | The fact that Xorg -configure segfaults is a bit worrying, though. |
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| 22:24.05 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: Then my right alt key becomes Down ('DownArrow' if you prefer) |
| 22:24.32 | craigevil | X -configure will segfault if you have xserver-xorg-video-vmware installed, remove it and it will work |
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| 22:27.16 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 22:28.07 | Nebukadneza | recently when i compile my (freshly checked out of git) kernel with make-kpkg -j 4 --initrd --append_to_version bla --revision 0 kernel_image i get a "dpkg-deb: error: (upstream) version ('unknown') doesn't contain any digits"... |
| 22:28.11 | Nebukadneza | what could that be |
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| 22:30.19 | Nebukadneza | anyone a idea where i could start searching? i'm a bit lost... |
| 22:30.51 | tharkun | d3x: according to judd ati-agp and aty128fb are the ones that work great, although i have to iron out a few details yet. But for the moment the user is working hapily and i'll fix everything else using ssh |
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| 22:31.35 | d3x | tharkun, so... what did you do to make the user happy? switched to vesa? |
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| 22:33.30 | jonaskoelker | Python1320: with the default configuration plus my own keyboard and mouse section, I don't get `emulate wheel' |
| 22:33.35 | jonaskoelker | Python1320: sorry, not for you |
| 22:33.40 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: with the default configuration plus my own keyboard and mouse section, I don't get `emulate wheel' |
| 22:33.41 | tharkun | d3x: X -configure :1 then copied the new xorg.conf to the appropiate directori and restarted gdm. Everything fired up normally. There is a menu that got lost but as soon as i get the backup copy everything will be fine |
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| 22:36.23 | jonaskoelker | (to all) How do I get EmulateWheel and a Dvorak keyboard layout on a Kinesis Advantage keyboard at the same time? Is it really this hard? :( |
| 22:36.31 | nike | How can I change my fstab over to using UUIDs? |
| 22:36.45 | Nebukadneza | mh ... noone? :/ |
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| 22:42.51 | Pryon | jonaskoelker: One thing I notice is that you have 2 protocol options enabled for your mouse (auto and ImPS/2). Any chance that's a problem? |
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| 22:44.22 | tarkaram | is there a package to convert aac files to ac3 ? |
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| 22:46.22 | d3x | tarkaram, faad + aften |
| 22:48.06 | tarkaram | d3x: is faad to convert aac to wav ? and then use aften for ac3 ? |
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| 22:48.17 | d3x | yup |
| 22:48.44 | d3x | i bet there are other solutions, but i usually just use mp3 or flac :) |
| 22:48.46 | tarkaram | d3x: Thanks, will try that. I seem to have aften but not faad. Will install and check it out. |
| 22:49.03 | tarkaram | cool. Thanks. |
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| 22:50.12 | b0nghitter | http://fms.bongtvlive.com/ excellent, Adobe Flash Media Server working on debian |
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| 22:50.16 | lor | hi |
| 22:50.23 | lor | anyone got this file? http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/ia32-libs-workaround-499043-lenny.sh |
| 22:50.32 | lor | people.debian.org seems down to me |
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| 22:51.17 | b0nghitter | its working |
| 22:51.24 | Pryon | lor: loads fine for me |
| 22:51.47 | b0nghitter | lor: http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=AwDqphhh |
| 22:51.54 | b0nghitter | er |
| 22:52.05 | lor | thanks. I can't even traceroute to it, must be some routing problem |
| 22:52.09 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: I've disabled the two protocols |
| 22:52.15 | b0nghitter | http://pastebin.com/AwDqphhh |
| 22:52.20 | jonaskoelker | Pryon: that's nonsens---I've disabled the one that's not 'auto' |
| 22:52.25 | b0nghitter | there you go lor |
| 22:52.30 | lor | ;-) |
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| 22:56.43 | magyar | hi, how can i remove dups from a Maildir? |
| 23:00.04 | sepult`` | what is a spoofed email domain ? |
| 23:01.02 | macrobat | a faked email domain |
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| 23:01.14 | Nebukadneza | mh |
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| 23:02.47 | grand_grunt | I've a Ubuntu/backtrack/Debian related question: backtrack uses ubiquity (Ubuntu installer) to install itselfs on hard drive, and I'd like to choose what packages are installed. How to set that? |
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| 23:05.41 | craigevil | !backtrack |
| 23:05.42 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
| 23:05.56 | tharkun | !ubuntu |
| 23:05.57 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 23:07.02 | jonaskoelker | alright, now when I run 'setxkbmap dvorak', my arrow keys map to Henkan_mode and Muhenkan and Katakana and KP_Enter. How do I turn them back to arrow keys? |
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| 23:16.29 | lor | how do I exit X? |
| 23:16.35 | lor | it keeps reloading if I use ctrl+alt+bksp |
| 23:16.47 | tharkun | Is it possible to uninstall gnome without getting rid of gdm |
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| 23:17.11 | tharkun | lor: /etc/init.d/[g|k|x] stop |
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| 23:22.00 | jonaskoelker | ... |
| 23:22.25 | jonaskoelker | When I assign 'Up', 'Down', etc. to my arrow keys with xmodmap, the keys don't listen to me :( |
| 23:22.42 | jonaskoelker | down doesn't work, on 'Left' I get two left-actions in almost every app |
| 23:22.50 | jonaskoelker | what the hell is going on? |
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| 23:25.17 | jonaskoelker | Releasing my up arrow key sends a KeyRelease on keycode 116 (Alt_R) as well as 104 (Up). What's going on? |
| 23:25.19 | cthuluh | jonaskoelker: I think that xmodmap -pke > file will you a file with which you can feed xmodmap later. just change things that you think as necessary |
| 23:25.38 | cthuluh | didn't those key work before? |
| 23:26.10 | jonaskoelker | cthuluh: yep, when my EmulateWheel didn't work |
| 23:26.58 | cthuluh | ok sorry, I hadn't backlogged |
| 23:27.43 | jonaskoelker | no problem :) |
| 23:28.16 | jonaskoelker | can you help me configure my keyboard such that up is up? |
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| 23:28.24 | jonaskoelker | ... and such that EmulateWheel works at the same time? |
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| 23:30.24 | cthuluh | jonaskoelker: well, I have never used dvorak nor EmulateWheel, so I guess the answer is "no" :) |
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| 23:41.11 | geekilized | anyone here use compiz? |
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| 23:44.11 | jordanm | !tell geekilized about anyone |
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| 23:47.09 | geekilized | i am having trouble making compiz work on my system |
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| 23:53.20 | jordanm | geekilized: what happens when you run it? (pastebin the errors) |
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| 23:56.03 | geekilized | jordanm:ok give me a minute |
| 23:56.19 | jonaskoelker | Pryon, cthuluh: I got my problem solved (It was 'AutoAddDevices' in section ServerFlags I was missing.) Thanks for attending to my questions and giving them your best efforts :) |
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| 23:57.59 | geekilized | jordanm:http://pastebin.com/Cz2dP3pV |
| 23:58.05 | Schuenemann | I'm trying to run gens emulator I installed from a .deb package. It complains about a lib I do have installed. Can someone explain this to me? Here is the output: http://pastebin.ca/1896989 |
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| 23:59.06 | jordanm | Schuenemann: what that means is, whoever created the .deb, failed at configuring the correct dependencies |
| 23:59.34 | jordanm | ,file libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 23:59.38 | judd | libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in lenny/i386: libgtk2.0-0: usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 23:59.47 | jordanm | Schuenemann: and there is the package you need |