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| 00:01.08 | syslq | Shadowsong: depends on how did you install it |
| 00:01.29 | syslq | Shadowsong: with aptitude it would be aptitude purge Apache2 |
| 00:02.02 | syslq | with apt-get you'd use autoremove switch |
| 00:02.21 | syslq | That in both cases should purge libs that depend only on Apache2 + config files + docs... |
| 00:02.38 | freeone3000 | relzzz: You could, if you wanted to, sure. /proc will be shared, but that mostly plays nice. (Creating a chroot is part of installing gentoo from an earlier stage) |
| 00:02.38 | freeone3000 | Shadowsong: apt-get remove --purge apache2 && apt-get remove --purge autoclean |
| 00:02.38 | freeone3000 | Err, *autoremove. |
| 00:02.45 | syslq | If you compiled from source make uninstall could work if you still have makefile |
| 00:03.26 | syslq | freeone3000: yes if he used apt-get, apt-get and aptitude have a seperate db's for tracking this stuf |
| 00:03.39 | mee | is there a chroot-like program for linux that can create an IP'd environment like BSD's jail? I'm having trouble searching for this one because of keyword conflation :( |
| 00:03.41 | syslq | Btw which version control system you guys use? |
| 00:04.02 | freeone3000 | Murcurial. |
| 00:04.04 | syslq | mee: iped? |
| 00:04.12 | freeone3000 | mee: makejail |
| 00:04.13 | syslq | freeone3000: I heard it's easy and fast |
| 00:04.28 | syslq | thanks |
| 00:04.39 | freeone3000 | syslq: That it is. The power of git with none of the annoyances. |
| 00:04.56 | syslq | Mhm, I still dont know what do I gain by using distributed over svn |
| 00:05.51 | freeone3000 | Developers don't require network access to post changesets. This makes it more like an "undo" function than a sort of push feature - so they'll make more changesets. They'll also only push once they believe they have something working, thus fewer changesets to work through. |
| 00:06.12 | freeone3000 | Merging is inherently better than locking, as locking prohibits work, while merging makes sure everyone's work goes in. Conflicts will still have to be resolved, but it's a sight better than edit wars. |
| 00:06.29 | mee | syslq: think 'lightweight psuedo-vm' -- a chroot with it's own IP address |
| 00:07.12 | syslq | I see , I'll give it a look, thanks |
| 00:07.25 | syslq | mee: I just use openVZ for that |
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| 00:08.52 | syslq | mee: according to what I'm reading about openbsd jail it should suit you |
| 00:09.09 | mee | oh, it's ported to linux? |
| 00:09.26 | syslq | Nah, OpenVZ is similar in a way |
| 00:09.35 | syslq | It's "virtualization" over single kernel |
| 00:09.42 | syslq | you have "container systems" |
| 00:10.22 | syslq | Both are operating system-level virtualization |
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| 00:11.58 | mee | syslq: ah, cool. OpenVZ and VServer both look interesting |
| 00:12.24 | syslq | mee: dont knoiw Vserver, but OpenVZ works fine |
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| 00:14.04 | NightDragon | hello all |
| 00:14.28 | NightDragon | would someone be kind enough to answer a systems admin question? |
| 00:14.57 | BlueG | I have a machine where X is failing to start, says "space: 24 wanted 32" and "Fatal server error: lockup" It seems to be set up very much like my computer, both are Dell Dimensions with the 825 graphics chipset, and it has the same xorg.conf configurations (or it did, I have tried setting HorizSync and VertRefresh, and using the kernel framebuffer, etc, to no avail). Any ideas how to get Xorg working? |
| 00:14.58 | dvs | there's only one way to find out. |
| 00:15.18 | NightDragon | fair enough |
| 00:15.35 | NightDragon | i'm looking for some good IT Systems administration tools for my workplace |
| 00:16.14 | NightDragon | i cant afford Kace, and my boss would have a coronary if i tried to sell BO2k to him... so i'm looking for something nice for systems management |
| 00:16.27 | syslq | BlueG try renaming xorg.conf to something like xorg.conf_b and rebooting |
| 00:16.31 | NightDragon | spiceworks is shiny, but M$ only |
| 00:16.44 | syslq | BlueG xorg.conf settings should be autodetected |
| 00:16.50 | NightDragon | so right now i'm running GLPI + OCS-ng, but i need something for systems _mangement_ |
| 00:16.55 | NightDragon | any suggestions? |
| 00:18.12 | NightDragon | any erm ideas? |
| 00:18.27 | tuv | Tramp: openvpn does set a default gw, but how is that relevant if it's not initiating the connection? |
| 00:18.45 | BlueG | syslq: Xorg was doing this with a fresh install before I started messing with it |
| 00:19.18 | Tramp | tuv: it sends all packets to the default-GW ofc. - why would it be relevant who's initiating the connection? |
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| 00:20.18 | syslq | BlueG ah |
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| 00:21.43 | tuv | Tramp: for the same reason replies don't need their own firewall rules? what you're saying explains what's happening. i'm just stating why i didn't think of it that way |
| 00:22.19 | Tramp | tuv: no. they don't need their own rule, if the firewall is stateful. However, the routing-table on your client is not "stateful" |
| 00:22.52 | Tramp | tuv: i.e. there is nothing which causes the routing of answer-packets to go, where the "initial packet" came from |
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| 00:23.16 | Tramp | tuv: unless you make something like that, which then is called "policy routing" and not trivial |
| 00:23.16 | tuv | Tramp: got it |
| 00:23.28 | Tramp | yw |
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| 00:24.38 | pyther | Hi |
| 00:25.18 | pyther | my tftp server is very very slow to the point were it is unusable, however other services are fine, what might possible wrong? Where should I begin to troubleshoot? I can download files locally (localhost) without a problem |
| 00:27.02 | syslq | pyther your config file? |
| 00:27.15 | dkr | your server logs |
| 00:27.45 | pyther | syslq: well there isn't much of a config for tftpd-hpa |
| 00:27.54 | pyther | dkr: any idea where tftpd-hpa dumps logging? |
| 00:27.57 | dkr | ifconfig to see any network errors |
| 00:28.02 | dkr | nope |
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| 00:28.23 | pyther | networking works fine for all my other services :( |
| 00:28.24 | dkr | wireshark to watch a transaction |
| 00:28.50 | pyther | the bizare thing was that it was working fine before and I didn't touch the server |
| 00:28.59 | dkr | iostat to see if i/o issue. strace tftpd to see what ti does when it gets external request |
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| 00:29.52 | dkr | maybe it's trying to do a reverse lookup on the remote ip or something like that and taking a while for the request to timeout |
| 00:30.02 | syslq | pyther that happens with all users? |
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| 00:30.33 | pyther | syslq: well tftp isn't really a user base thing |
| 00:30.45 | syslq | pyther not as "the users" but from all locations |
| 00:31.08 | pyther | syslq: yes, except the local machine |
| 00:31.16 | pyther | that the server is running on |
| 00:31.21 | Shadowsong | hi. How do I fully remove Apache2? I tried apt-get remove apache2 and its still on my system. |
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| 00:31.51 | syslq | Shadowsong: once again how did you install it? |
| 00:32.04 | dkr | <dkr> Shadowsong: remove removes the app, not the config files. use purge to get rid of config files, as well |
| 00:32.06 | Shadowsong | installed with the OS |
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| 00:33.06 | dkr | Shadowsong: dpkg -l|grep apache might be informative, too |
| 00:33.26 | pyther | I just don't get why every other service would work without a problem |
| 00:33.34 | Shadowsong | i just need to know how to fully remove apache2 |
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| 00:34.17 | syslq | pyther maybe there are transmit / receive errors causing retransmission, if I recall corectlly in tftp both cleint and server are transmiters and receivers and if acknowlegment is not received chunk needs to be retransmited |
| 00:34.35 | dkr | Shadowsong: do you understand what "purge" means? |
| 00:34.49 | rking | Shadowsong: By "not fully removed" do you just mean the config dir is in /etc, and little stuff like that? |
| 00:35.30 | pyther | syslq: I guess I can take a look at ifconfig when I go to work tomorrow, but I would imagine that if I was having transmit errors the same would happen for scp, ssh, etc... |
| 00:35.30 | syslq | pyther if I understand it works but poorly? if not maybe udp on 69 is blocked / filtered for some reason |
| 00:35.47 | pyther | syslq: yah I'm getting like 10-20KB at best |
| 00:36.05 | pyther | and more times its only a few KB/sec |
| 00:36.07 | syslq | pyther dunno, scp, ssh are TCP and tftp is UDP |
| 00:36.23 | sparr | jhutchins: there's a tool to combine timestamped logs for viewing together... cant remember what it's called |
| 00:36.32 | sparr | i used it for irc more than system log files, but it would work |
| 00:36.50 | dkr | mergelog? |
| 00:37.18 | pyther | syslq: well the only thing on the network that changed is that I specifically configure my switch-to-switch links as trunk mode instead of them autonegotating |
| 00:37.31 | pyther | I don't have any firewalls or anything interfering |
| 00:37.49 | Shadowsong | I did apt-get remove apache2 and everything remains on my system |
| 00:38.19 | karlpinc | Shadowsong: How do you know? |
| 00:38.21 | dkr | we can only explain it so many times. at some point you need to read and understand |
| 00:38.23 | syslq | Shadowsong: great now try aptitude purge apache2 and let us know |
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| 00:38.34 | dkr | or hire someone that does |
| 00:38.58 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: apache comes in multiple packages. dpkg -l apache\*|grep ^.i |
| 00:39.05 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: purge them all. |
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| 00:40.22 | dkr | maybe he just isn't seeing any of our replies. nick hilight color set to black foreground on black bg |
| 00:40.48 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: look at aptitude's / apt-get output closely when doing that and stop it if it wants to remove something you still neeed |
| 00:41.16 | Shadowsong | everything is backed up on my main pc |
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| 00:41.38 | syslq | Shadowsong: if you run type apache2 as root what do you get? |
| 00:41.48 | Shadowsong | nope aptitude purge apache2 didn't fully remove it |
| 00:42.00 | syslq | Shadowsong: read above |
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| 00:42.29 | Shadowsong | yup apache2 is still there |
| 00:42.47 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: did you do the "dpkg -l apache\*|grep ^.i" bit? |
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| 00:43.10 | syslq | Shadowsong: paste me output of "type apache2" |
| 00:43.28 | Shadowsong | ii apache2-mpm-prefork 2.2.14-5ubuntu8 Apache HTTP Server - traditional non-threade, ii apache2-utils 2.2.14-5ubuntu8 utility programs for webservers, ii apache2.2-bin 2.2.14-5ubuntu8 Apache HTTP Server common binary files, ii apache2.2-common 2.2.14-5ubuntu8 |
| 00:43.30 | Shadowsong | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.09 | syslq | He is purging as root right? |
| 00:44.13 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: purge all of the packages listed. Also, ask for help in the appropriate distro channel, probably #ubuntu |
| 00:44.20 | pyther | syslq: I guess I'll take a small 5 port switch hook the server up to that and a client and see what happens |
| 00:44.30 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: those are not Debian packages |
| 00:44.51 | syslq | pyther yeah but on lan you might not get the same results |
| 00:45.12 | pyther | syslq: well it would be a good indication to see if it is a LAN issue or a system issue |
| 00:45.19 | Shadowsong | ubuntu is based on debian and those in ubuntu channel don't care to help others |
| 00:45.23 | syslq | pyther but you're using it on wan |
| 00:45.27 | syslq | but yeah |
| 00:45.29 | jelly-home | !they don't know |
| 00:45.29 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:45.34 | pyther | syslq: no I'm not, I'm using it on my lan |
| 00:45.41 | syslq | pyther ah |
| 00:45.45 | syslq | pyther then sure |
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| 00:45.53 | Shadowsong | google is no help either |
| 00:45.54 | jelly-home | !tell Shadowsong abotu ubuntu |
| 00:45.59 | jelly-home | !tell Shadowsong about ubuntu |
| 00:46.11 | pyther | like I said it is really confusing because it worked fine before and I didn't make any major changes to the network |
| 00:46.15 | jelly-home | !tell Shadowsong about based on debian |
| 00:46.27 | syslq | Shadowsong: did you actually read output of aptitude or apt-get when you were removing apache2? |
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| 00:46.58 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: there is still no separate channel to support derivative distros, and this one is limited to Debian proper |
| 00:46.59 | syslq | pyther mhm, I thought youre rocking it over wan |
| 00:47.20 | pyther | nope |
| 00:47.27 | slidesinger | Been using xcdroast since the .96 release, which, the way that has been developed, is a long time. I was there when it switched from cdrecord to wodim and now I have made the move to squeeze and it is gone. |
| 00:47.41 | syslq | !tell about ubuntu |
| 00:47.43 | syslq | :) |
| 00:47.53 | slidesinger | More importantly, though it is in sid, it does not appear to be undergoing much development. Been looking for information on what is happening in the Linux world in general and Debian in particular with regard to handling CD/DVD copying and burning. Does anyone really know where development is going? |
| 00:47.53 | Shadowsong | like i said though, apache2 is still there |
| 00:48.17 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: I suggest asking ubuntu people on advice how to purge all the packages beginning with "apache" or "apache2", and will stop helping you know |
| 00:48.34 | Shadowsong | those in ubuntu refuse to help others |
| 00:48.41 | Shadowsong | I've tried |
| 00:48.56 | Underbyte | shadowsong |
| 00:49.00 | jelly-home | Shadowsong: so do I. Good luck. |
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| 00:49.18 | Underbyte | apt-get purge apache apache2 should do the trick |
| 00:49.24 | jelly-home | ask again if you can reproduce the issue in Debian |
| 00:49.31 | Underbyte | if that no work, apt-get purge --force apache apache2 |
| 00:49.32 | syslq | Shadowsong: ok, I'm going to resolve your issue use some pastebin and paste me tail -n /var/log/aptitude and tail -n /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 00:49.46 | syslq | Shadowsong: tail -n 100 that is |
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| 00:50.01 | jelly-home | syslq: please do it off the channel |
| 00:50.52 | syslq | jelly-home: :), why are you so alegic about ubuntu |
| 00:50.58 | syslq | debian is ubuntu's daddy |
| 00:51.05 | icebrain | syslq: it's OT |
| 00:51.06 | Shadowsong | E: Command line option --force is not understood |
| 00:51.10 | syslq | OT? |
| 00:51.15 | dkr | yeah, especially since he probably was helped there and ignored the help like he did above here and in #httpd |
| 00:51.23 | syslq | Yeah :) |
| 00:51.25 | icebrain | !tell syslq about ot |
| 00:51.40 | slidesinger | Shadowsong: If ubuntu is too much trouble, switch to Debian. Of course, we will expect you to read and do research as well, which will mean that you can go over to #ubuntu and complain about how the folks in #debian aren't helpful. |
| 00:51.49 | slidesinger | syslq: Off Topic |
| 00:51.50 | Gomex | Hi Guys |
| 00:51.53 | jelly-home | syslq: it's not me. #debian ops are rather strict and I agree with the reasoning if not with all the consequences of enforcing topical support only |
| 00:52.02 | Gomex | Any body here already saw this : http://pastebin.ca/1899460 |
| 00:52.17 | Shadowsong | i already have most of my server stuff working, not gonna reinstall my os now |
| 00:53.16 | dkr | Gomex: which log is that from? |
| 00:53.26 | syslq | Shadowsong: you could use windows |
| 00:53.35 | Shadowsong | lol, No |
| 00:53.48 | syslq | Shadowsong: you'll have a nice uninstaller there |
| 00:53.48 | dkr | using webmin is already a step in that direction. :) |
| 00:53.52 | Gomex | dkr: auth.log |
| 00:53.58 | syslq | dkr: yeah :) |
| 00:54.32 | Gomex | dkr: using snoopy program to log commands from shell |
| 00:54.35 | Shadowsong | I have webmin for perform small tasks without logging into putty all the time |
| 00:54.57 | dkr | putty? isn't that a windows program? haha |
| 00:54.59 | jelly-home | Gomex: do you have a security framework like selinux installed and running? Which Debian release is this? |
| 00:55.16 | Gomex | jelly-home: Lenny |
| 00:55.18 | syslq | dkr: it also works on linux I think |
| 00:55.20 | slidesinger | Shadowsong: I have ssh from my laptop anywhere in the world. |
| 00:55.24 | Gomex | jelly-home: I have ossec installed |
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| 00:55.39 | Gomex | jelly-home: but I have 40 servers |
| 00:55.49 | Shadowsong | i admin my linux server remotely |
| 00:55.49 | Gomex | just 10 show me that log |
| 00:56.08 | dkr | Gomex: so maybe someone just wrote a silly script to ps all currently running pids individually? |
| 00:56.30 | jelly-home | Gomex: could be anything, including dkr's guess |
| 00:56.38 | Gomex | dkr: I am sure that no |
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| 00:57.27 | Gomex | jelly-home: I am not put any script with ps in the servers |
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| 00:57.30 | dkr | exactly 2 seconds between each run indicates a script to me |
| 00:57.43 | Gomex | dkr: can be invasion |
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| 00:58.26 | jelly-home | Gomex: there's 0 reason to suspect foul play without further proof |
| 00:58.28 | dkr | a very slow and silly one, if so. heh |
| 00:58.58 | jelly-home | Gomex: does this run the whole time or only sometimes? |
| 00:59.06 | Gomex | jelly-home: sometimes |
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| 00:59.51 | jelly-home | Gomex: if the latter, fiugre out when it starts. Inspect all the cron jobs. Enable and correlate cron.log with snoopy logs. |
| 01:00.28 | Gomex | jelly-home: It is not cron job, I already saw |
| 01:00.37 | jelly-home | Gomex: enable process accounting and look at lastcomm output, might provide further clues |
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| 01:01.06 | jelly-home | Gomex: did you also look at /etc/cron.*/* jobs? Is cron.log enabled? |
| 01:01.32 | jelly-home | Gomex: dpkg -l libc6 cron snoopy |tail -3; uname -a |
| 01:03.09 | heroxbd | Hello, a little bit OT: I want to write a Makefile with a target like "%1.o.%2 depends on %1.%2.c" is it possible in GNU Make? "%.o depends on %c" already works. Just wondering how to reference the wildcards . |
| 01:03.25 | jelly-home | Gomex: also, and the most obvious thing to do, is take a good look at that process 2644 if it's still alive |
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| 01:03.59 | jelly-home | Gomex: lsof and strace are your friends |
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| 01:07.08 | Gomex | jelly-home: sid is pid of process? |
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| 01:09.29 | jelly-home | Gomex: yes, man ps provides some clues |
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| 01:10.30 | Gomex | jelly-home: the sid parameter is snoopy is pid process? |
| 01:11.02 | jelly-home | Gomex: I can't parse that sentence, sorry. Can you rephrase? |
| 01:11.08 | Gomex | jelly-home: unknown, uid:0 sid:2644 |
| 01:11.19 | Gomex | that sid is pid of process? |
| 01:11.27 | Gomex | What is that sid parameter? |
| 01:11.55 | jelly-home | Gomex: man ps. man 2 getsid. sid is result of getsid() syscall, not pid of the ps process, but of its session leader |
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| 01:12.27 | PiousMinion | Has package freezing started in squeeze? |
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| 01:12.49 | jelly-home | Gomex: try to understand the tools you use and the way they work |
| 01:13.00 | PiousMinion | I know it got delyaed from march, but can't find any other news and it's july. |
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| 01:13.21 | Gomex | jelly-home: thanks |
| 01:13.30 | Gomex | jelly-home: I always ignore that value |
| 01:13.48 | Gomex | jelly-home: now I know what is, thanks |
| 01:14.20 | jelly-home | Gomex: yeah, all of the logged data seems useful one way or another |
| 01:15.56 | jelly-home | PiousMinion: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 01:16.45 | martianixor | I get the answer of "apt-cache sudo show" twice but with different hash for each result, Is this normal? |
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| 01:17.15 | jelly-home | martianixor: that command says E: Invalid operation sudo |
| 01:17.35 | martianixor | jelly-home: yes sorry I meant apt-cache show sudo |
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| 01:17.55 | jelly-home | martianixor: apt-cache policy packagename will show which repos the different packages come from |
| 01:18.14 | martianixor | jelly-home: Oh right policy I'll check this now |
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| 01:20.30 | martianixor | jelly-home: I think it's sudo is coming from both my country's repo and from security.ubuntu |
| 01:20.55 | jelly-home | dun dun DUNNN |
| 01:21.05 | martianixor | and of course it doesn't matter that it's ubuntu, I'm asking in general |
| 01:21.26 | martianixor | jelly-home: is that suspense? |
| 01:21.27 | martianixor | :D |
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| 01:21.45 | jelly-home | martianixor: this is not the right channel to ask in general, and sadly there's no channel to ask about derivative distros and shared tools |
| 01:22.04 | jelly-home | in other words, ask in #ubuntu. For the time being. |
| 01:22.32 | dondelelcaro | martianixor: you shouldn't be getting differet MD5SUMs; if you are, something is odd with your mirror(s), and you should be talking to whoever maintains them about it |
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| 01:23.02 | martianixor | jelly-home: well emm, actually it's not the only aspect of the problem, I just noticed some oddities with this box thought to check with some friends |
| 01:23.20 | jelly-home | if security repo has a different package version, checksums might naturally be different |
| 01:23.45 | martianixor | dondelelcaro: yes, I think I should contact them |
| 01:23.51 | jelly-home | but if they're the exact same version, dun dun DUNN again |
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| 01:25.13 | martianixor | jelly-home: hopefully it's not dun dun DUNN |
| 01:25.27 | Gomex | jelly-home: I found |
| 01:25.30 | seeker7 | I have run xrandr and got the following Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600 |
| 01:25.30 | seeker7 | default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
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| 01:25.42 | martianixor | ouch |
| 01:25.47 | martianixor | :p |
| 01:25.51 | Gomex | jelly-home: that log was made by damn ossec |
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| 01:25.51 | jelly-home | they'll come back |
| 01:26.02 | jelly-home | Gomex: see! :-> |
| 01:26.41 | martianixor | dondelelcaro: jelly-home thanks for comfirming that |
| 01:26.47 | Gomex | jelly-home: because that your information, thanks |
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| 01:27.07 | Gomex | jelly-home: I really didn't know about sid |
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| 01:29.36 | seeker7 | when i run xrandr it says my max resolution is 800X600 but I know that is not true |
| 01:29.48 | moldovean | !tell seeker7 about paste |
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| 01:31.17 | moldovean | try X -configure :1 |
| 01:31.43 | jelly-home | seeker7: your current xorg driver might be misdetecting or not detecting your monitor resolutions at all. You can pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to confirm |
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| 01:32.20 | jelly-home | seeker7: you might need a non-free driver, or a newer free driver than what's available in Debian 5 |
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| 14:46.49 | Pupeno | Is there any other place to get newer software than backports.org? |
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| 14:47.38 | petemc | nowhere centralised |
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| 14:51.24 | Alterscape | Hi all. I'm ssh'ed into an ancient Sarge 3.1 server we just brought up after 2+ years of dormancy. I want to get it onto Lenny; first step seems to be an upgrade to Sarge 2.6 kernel, then Etch, then Lenny. Google finds me http://serverfault.com/questions/126875, but the sarge apt-get repo doesn't seem to exist anymore -- there's no sarge directory in http://security.debian.org/dists/. Any thoughts on next steps? |
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| 14:52.25 | bzed | PepperBob: it just means that the firmware was stripped out of that kernel source |
| 14:52.41 | Alterscape | oops, further reading shows that sarge was de-supported. I guess that means the upgrade path is "throw etch on there and hope it works" .. main blocker seems to be the 2.6 kernel. |
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| 14:53.09 | craigevil | !tell Alterscape about ado |
| 14:53.35 | spyd | ugh. I have a kernel modules package that refuses to uninstall, can't figure out how to forceably remove it.. help? |
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| 14:53.53 | Alterscape | thank you craigevil. |
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| 14:54.16 | Pupeno | Is there somewhere to upload packages for Debian, like Ubuntu ppa? |
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| 14:59.09 | Skeeter- | Anyone knows how to host RSS, is it just html code? |
| 15:00.24 | freeone3000 | It's XML. |
| 15:00.47 | freeone3000 | The point of an RSS feed, however, is for it to change over time with the content. If it's not dynamically generated, you're losing a good deal of the point. |
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| 15:02.27 | Skeeter- | aight, also, i tried to make a list of directory and list it on a webpage, somehow after 35 -/+ entries, i dont see anything... |
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| 15:05.45 | freeone3000 | Perhaps a rediect to #web is in order. What are you doing? |
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| 15:14.24 | jhutchins_lt | Pupeno: see #debian-mentors on oftc.net |
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| 15:15.52 | jhutchins_lt | !mentors |
| 15:15.52 | dpkg | mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 15:30.29 | pif | hi, what are my options if I want my laptop to sleep when battery is low and _not_ using gnome? |
| 15:30.43 | bit0 | hello, any help for #588545? memtest86+: Upgrade fail (grup-probe fails) |
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| 15:31.10 | simonrvn | not the bts here, see that bug |
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| 15:35.26 | bit0 | simonrvn, that bug has no info |
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| 15:35.49 | bit0 | simonrvn, i'm looking for some work-around, not a solution |
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| 15:38.42 | simonrvn | it's sorta short on info |
| 15:38.49 | toad_ | I'm trying to build something from source using maven2 (packaged). i get this wierd error. the exe mentioned does not exist and isn't mentioned in /etc or in the source or anywhere else. ideas?: Caused by: java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_19/bin/java": java.io.IOException: error=2, No such file or directory |
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| 15:40.49 | bit0 | simonrvn, sure! |
| 15:40.50 | freeone3000 | toad_: Where does %JAVA_HOME% point? |
| 15:41.03 | freeone3000 | toad_: Uh. $JAVA_HOME, rather. |
| 15:41.13 | toad_ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 15:41.30 | toad_ | which exists, is a symlink to java-6-sun-1.6.0.20 |
| 15:41.36 | toad_ | there is no installed 1.4 jvm |
| 15:41.46 | toad_ | but it's not asking for one, all the targets say 1.5 or 1.6 |
| 15:42.11 | freeone3000 | Yeah, that's what makes this odd. Any <executable> under the compiler plugin config? |
| 15:42.57 | toad_ | not in maven-compiler-plugin's ... |
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| 15:43.14 | craigevil | bit0: check grub-pc on the BTS for this > /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?) |
| 15:43.24 | craigevil | memtest86+ |
| 15:43.40 | themill | toad_: rather than fiddling with JAVA_HOME etc, use update-java-alternatives. |
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| 15:43.57 | toad_ | themill: I needed to set JAVA_HOME for some reason |
| 15:44.27 | toad_ | does update-java-alternatives -s anyway ... |
| 15:44.38 | themill | toad_: you shouldn't need to, and if you don't have the various commandline tools pointing to the same jre as each other and JAVA_HOME then you'll get a nice mess |
| 15:44.49 | bit0 | craigevil, i'm looking at it... |
| 15:44.52 | themill | toad_: btw maven stuff is already in squeeze if that helps |
| 15:44.54 | freeone3000 | maven uses $JAVA_HOME to determine JDK location. |
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| 15:45.38 | toad_ | well, i've done update-java-alternatives, and it is still trying this non-existent and apparently non-referenced location ... |
| 15:45.40 | Uiri | so I'm running debian as a server and I want it to mount a NAS; I've tried using mount -t cifs, mount.cifs and I added it to /etc/fstab so I've also tried using mount -a to mount it but I keep getting mount error 6... after some searching on the internet I found a bug report for redhat from 2006 which is describing my problem exactly which is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19526 |
| 15:45.42 | Uiri | 4 |
| 15:45.54 | themill | freeone3000: maven is in debian and nothing in debian requires JAVA_HOME, so that's not quite right. |
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| 15:46.05 | petemc | Uiri: tried installing smbfs package? |
| 15:46.08 | Uiri | I think the 4 at the end of the URL got cut off, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=195264 is what it should be |
| 15:46.26 | Uiri | yes petemc, I was getting a cifs error (22 I believe) before that |
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| 15:46.36 | toad_ | tries unsetting JAVA_HOME |
| 15:46.53 | toad_ | nope |
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| 15:47.18 | petemc | Uiri: can you pastebin the exact command you're using and the output |
| 15:48.05 | jhutchins_lt | Uiri: might also be useful to look at the output of smbclient -L \\<server> |
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| 15:50.59 | bit0 | craigevil, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586660 thanks! |
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| 15:51.46 | Uiri | http://pastebin.com/LSi9rZu2 I'm looking at this and I'm thinking it could be a wrong password but then what username is it trying it with? |
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| 15:53.31 | jhutchins_lt | Uiri: First off, whatever user you're running as - root in this case. Second, you're specifying a server as a mount point. Won't work. Specify a share. Third, if smbclient isn't found install the friggin' thing. |
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| 15:55.53 | LemensTS1 | how do you connect ssh from one box to another on a different port without specifying that different port? it is setup in .bashrc i think but i dont remember what its called to google for it |
| 15:55.55 | jhutchins_lt | Er, mount target, not point. |
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| 15:57.07 | jhutchins_lt | no, it's set up in ~/.ssh/config |
| 15:57.11 | themill | dpkg: tell jap32 about root |
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| 15:57.24 | simonrvn | uh |
| 15:57.26 | jhutchins_lt | LemensTS1: ~/.ssh/config |
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| 15:57.45 | simonrvn | 4 joins from the same host, all ~root |
| 15:57.47 | jvalecillos | can anybody help me with this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571714 |
| 15:57.52 | jhutchins_lt | LemensTS1: man ssh |
| 15:57.55 | themill | simonrvn: that hasn't gone unnoticed. |
| 15:58.02 | jvalecillos | there is a workaround or something? |
| 15:58.11 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 15:58.21 | LemensTS1 | jhutchins: cool that gave me enough info ti find it on google thanks |
| 15:58.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions apache2 |
| 15:58.28 | judd | apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch11; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny7; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny8; sid: 2.2.15-5; squeeze: 2.2.15-5 |
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| 15:59.07 | jhutchins_lt | jvalecillos: What distribution are you running? |
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| 16:00.27 | jvalecillos | Debian Lenny... |
| 16:01.04 | jhutchins_lt | jvalecillos: What's uname -r show? |
| 16:02.12 | jvalecillos | jhutchins_lt: 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 16:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. Where did you get your apache? |
| 16:02.27 | simonrvn | does a bit of pre-emptive blocking of that host |
| 16:02.56 | Uiri | jhutchins_lt: thanks for your help, it works |
| 16:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | Uiri: xlnt. |
| 16:03.21 | jvalecillos | jhutchins_lt: from oficial repos... |
| 16:03.29 | themill | jvalecillos: that bug doesn't apply to lenny |
| 16:04.08 | jhutchins_lt | Um, apache2 is 2.2.9-10+lenny7, not 2.2.14. All I can tell you is that using the lenny packages it works fine. |
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| 16:06.00 | jvalecillos | I know, but is exactly the problem tha i have... |
| 16:06.31 | themill | jvalecillos: perhaps you should start from the beginning and tell us what you've actually done and what the problem is then |
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| 16:07.52 | jvalecillos | themill: i already remove and purge all the packages (apache2 php5 and so on) and then reinstalled fresh from the repository and don't work... |
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| 16:08.10 | themill | !php wants me to download still |
| 16:08.10 | dpkg | The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
| 16:08.20 | themill | takes a wild guess in the absence of useful information |
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| 16:08.34 | jvalecillos | if you enter int the url the browser tray to download instead of parse it... |
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| 16:08.45 | freeone3000 | So I'm looking to transcode a RAW of indeterminite origin. This is entirely the wrong place to ask. Where is the right place? |
| 16:08.50 | themill | jvalecillos: see what dpkg just said |
| 16:10.15 | jvalecillos | apache parse php files that are in /var/www but no in ~/public_html |
| 16:10.45 | freeone3000 | jvalecillos: That depends entirely on your setup. |
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| 16:11.42 | themill | jvalecillos: can you pastebin the output of: dpkg -l '*php*' '*apache*' | grep '^.i' (use a pastebin, /msg dpkg paste) |
| 16:11.43 | tharkun | How big is rsyslog ram footprint? Is it worth the effort to substitute the current syslog facility on a machine that has a low memmory profile? |
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| 16:13.45 | lindi- | tharkun: depends on architecture |
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| 16:14.28 | tharkun | lindi-: standar i386 architecture. Usual daemons running for a normal workstation + postfix |
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| 16:17.28 | jvalecillos | themill: now it works... i don't know... but i have installed both apache2 and apache2-mpm-prefork... i remove and purged everything related again and reinstalled... |
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| 16:19.04 | themill | jvalecillos: I imagine that it's exactly what dpkg said it would be... your browser lying to you and caching crap. |
| 16:20.33 | jvalecillos | themill: thanks... |
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| 16:24.44 | MeglaW | maybee not a debian question how do i browse smb shares, i need to know their names to mount them |
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| 16:26.22 | freeone3000 | MeglaW: smbclient has an option for this. |
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| 16:27.31 | manuel__ | hi |
| 16:28.06 | Bushmills | MeglaW: autofs can automatically mount them upon access attempt |
| 16:28.36 | Bushmills | but you still need to know names. at least host names |
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| 16:29.00 | cusco | hi |
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| 16:29.23 | jhutchins_lt | KDE had an smb browser... |
| 16:29.23 | Bushmills | smbclient -L IIRC to list shares |
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| 16:29.59 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: smbclient -L \\<server> or \\<domain|workgroup> |
| 16:30.55 | Bushmills | though i find autofs quite convenient |
| 16:31.17 | cusco | hi... |
| 16:31.30 | manuel__ | im just package a deb package and im in the prcess of writing the man |
| 16:31.35 | Bushmills | in combination with vpn and remote exports, things are quite comfortable with it |
| 16:31.50 | manuel__ | could somebody kindly look over its formatting and stuff ? |
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| 16:33.32 | cusco | Im thinkig about using rsync (I never did before) to syncronize files in a dir. That dir has subdirs like 2010-07-13 and those subdirs have files with unique names |
| 16:33.35 | manuel__ | btw is there a way to preview may manpage |
| 16:33.37 | cusco | local and remote |
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| 16:34.41 | freeone3000 | cusco: Okay. man rsync for the invocation. Generally this is paired with cron to make it a repeated backup. |
| 16:34.47 | moldovean | dpkg, tell manuel__ about mentor |
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| 16:35.58 | themill | manuel__: "man man" and look at the "-l" option. |
| 16:36.07 | manuel__ | thanks |
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| 16:38.56 | karlpinc | cusco: See also the rsnapshot and dirvish packages. |
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| 16:40.24 | Liquid-Silence | hi all! |
| 16:40.39 | Liquid-Silence | I am moving to debian after my rant about other distros |
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| 16:50.47 | user_ | hi everyone |
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| 16:51.55 | Liquid-Silence | err wfq |
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| 16:52.17 | freeone3000 | I'm using the `ftpd` package. It doesn't seem to start on boot. What should I do to fix this? |
| 16:53.04 | Bushmills | check whether it is startd by inetd or xinetd |
| 16:53.27 | freeone3000 | inetd |
| 16:53.29 | Bushmills | if it is, it is correct that it isn't started on boot - as it will be started on connecting to it |
| 16:53.59 | freeone3000 | I'm getting "connection denied" while connecting to it using FileZilla on windows unless I run `ftpd` beforehand. |
| 16:54.02 | wfq | I was trying to install a Debian through an usb a couple weeks ago and I succeeded. The problem is that I accidentally used a USB where I had very important information so I was wondering whether there is any way to recover my old data |
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| 16:54.15 | freeone3000 | wfq: No. FAT does not recover. |
| 16:55.20 | Bushmills | important information without backup? |
| 16:55.35 | wfq | yes, it was accidentally |
| 16:55.54 | Bushmills | that's what backups are for :) |
| 16:55.55 | wfq | I did not realised I had plugged in my hard drive |
| 16:56.14 | wfq | so I thought I was using my USB stick memory |
| 16:56.27 | wfq | FFS, I am in big troubles now then |
| 16:57.09 | Bushmills | most unlikely that you can recover anything |
| 16:57.18 | peterrooney | wfq: if someone could do that, they'd be very rich or dead at the hands of a TLA. I sympathize with your misery. |
| 16:57.29 | wfq | but the system keeps telling me that the size is very little when it should be then 350GB |
| 16:57.32 | holycow | hey guys |
| 16:57.37 | holycow | is it possible to install 2 packages that want to remove each other upon installation...at the same time? (ie. qmail and exim4? |
| 16:57.41 | Bushmills | was it a file copy, possibly, depending on file system. but for a boot image, you probably wrote a whole image to the stick |
| 16:57.43 | freeone3000 | wfq: You'll have to reformat it with the proper partition. |
| 16:58.00 | freeone3000 | holycow: Both of those provide MTA. You don't want to do that, since it'll cause larger problems. |
| 16:58.16 | jelly-hme | holycow: what are you really trying to do? |
| 16:58.18 | holycow | i know, its not me trying to do this, someone else. can it be forced? |
| 16:58.45 | holycow | frankly i don't care he can fix it him self is it possible ... apt-get install -f maybe? |
| 16:59.04 | wfq | strange, I did not see any warning message |
| 16:59.04 | Bushmills | holycow: they conflict with each other. not just by wanting to bind to the same port, but also by placing executables with same name in same directory |
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| 16:59.36 | holycow | i know, configuring them for him is no prob, its getting dpkg not to argue. can it be forced regardless? |
| 16:59.37 | Bushmills | installing one of them into a chrooted system would be an option |
| 16:59.37 | jordanm | eg. both likely provide /usr/lib/sendmail |
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| 16:59.40 | holycow | config can be done manually later |
| 16:59.54 | holycow | oh with same name |
| 16:59.55 | holycow | crap |
| 16:59.57 | climber11 | where is the log file for php5 or apache2 |
| 17:00.09 | jordanm | climber11: /var/log/apache2/* |
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| 17:00.15 | climber11 | trying to figure out file permission for something |
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| 17:00.18 | climber11 | ty jordanm |
| 17:00.29 | petemc | holycow: i know crazy people that install 2 mtas, they install one outside of the package system.. |
| 17:00.38 | jelly-hme | jordanm: /usr/sbin!!! |
| 17:00.39 | holycow | yeah i was about to tell them to compile it |
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| 17:01.17 | jelly-hme | holycow: what is the user really trying to accomplish by having both exim and qmail installed at the same time? |
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| 17:01.30 | wfq | Bushmills, but my hard drive has been formatted or the files were erased? |
| 17:01.36 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.50 | holycow | quote: I'm trying to put Exim in front of Qmail, email will be routed into Exim on port 25 then routed to another server on port 10025, then back to Qmail on the original server on port 10024. |
| 17:01.56 | Bushmills | wfq: you need to tell us. |
| 17:01.58 | holycow | quote: the issue is that I cannot make qmail do what I want it to do, but I cannot remove it as it is required by plesk |
| 17:02.08 | Bushmills | depends on how you wrote boot image to stick |
| 17:02.13 | jelly-hme | !plesk |
| 17:02.13 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:02.15 | holycow | the problem is plesk, he needs to do some quick routing of mail in his own way |
| 17:02.32 | holycow | yeah but the question isn't about plesk, that is just context |
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| 17:02.57 | jordanm | it is about plesk. its about working around plesk's problems |
| 17:03.01 | jelly-hme | holycow: it's about what kinds of questions get support in here. |
| 17:03.07 | Bushmills | so when installing another MTA, and letting the installed MTA getting removed, what's wrong with that solution? |
| 17:03.11 | tharkun | holycow: install postfix on its chroot, then make it redirect mail to port 10024 using master.cf |
| 17:03.17 | holycow | right *nod* |
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| 17:03.33 | jelly-hme | holycow: a source-based installation in a separate, non-packaged way seems doable |
| 17:03.42 | wfq | Bushmills I was on Windows and then used an application to create a boot image on a usb stick provided obviously the boot file.It is then when I had plugged in the hard drive and instead of copying the files on the empty usb stick, it did it on the hard drive |
| 17:03.46 | holycow | *nod* righto, yeah both of those sound reasonable |
| 17:03.48 | petemc | tharkun: i dont think adding another mta to the mix is a good idea |
| 17:03.49 | holycow | thank you |
| 17:04.00 | tharkun | petemc: instead of exim :-) |
| 17:04.00 | wfq | I can't remember the name of the application |
| 17:04.03 | Bushmills | wfq: then it depends on "an application" |
| 17:04.04 | holycow | no its not but i will let him worry about that, he just needed a quick heads up |
| 17:04.15 | jelly-hme | holycow: you might be able to use debootstrapped chroots and connect the two MTAs using tcp sockets |
| 17:04.30 | petemc | tharkun: yes, not a good idea |
| 17:04.44 | holycow | jelly-hme: *ooo* fancy, yeah that looks right |
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| 17:04.53 | pif | hi, can acpid halt my system on critically low power? |
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| 17:04.57 | Bushmills | but for writing a boot image, it is unlikely that the device has been completely erased |
| 17:05.05 | holycow | thats what i was hoping for, i really appreciate your help guys, appologies for the offtopic bit |
| 17:05.06 | tharkun | petemc: you are damn right, but since it seems using a vm is out of the question i don't see any other solution |
| 17:05.06 | pif | I didn't find the relevant event |
| 17:05.38 | wfq | Bushmills, it is the only one as far as I know to create a debian boot disk from Windows, hence I thought you may know it (checking ...) |
| 17:05.38 | jelly-hme | holycow: or a virtual machine if cpu can be spared ;-) |
| 17:05.45 | Bushmills | though you might want to ask on #anapplication |
| 17:06.03 | tharkun | petemc: my solution would use a vm, and some iptables to redirect port 25 of the public ip to the vm then redirect accordingly to qmail |
| 17:06.04 | holycow | jelly, haha yes! indeed! |
| 17:06.10 | wfq | very funny :) |
| 17:06.14 | Bushmills | googles that funny term "windows" |
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| 17:07.52 | jelly-hme | Bushmills: holes in walls! |
| 17:08.27 | Bushmills | "a program loader, popular for starting first person shooters" |
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| 17:09.34 | freeone3000 | Bushmills: Doesn't matter. Reformatting FAT loses data. |
| 17:09.46 | jelly-hme | freeone3000: not having backups loses data |
| 17:09.52 | freeone3000 | Indeed. |
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| 17:10.36 | Bushmills | "i don't need backup - it was only an accident" :) |
| 17:10.45 | tharkun | flw |
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| 17:11.48 | climber11 | where are mysql logs, all of mine seem empty in /var/log/mysql.log |
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| 17:13.23 | Bushmills | wfq: was the data compressed and packed, such as in zip files? |
| 17:13.42 | jelly-hme | climber11: daemon.log? |
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| 17:14.24 | climber11 | its possible i don't have it configured to log |
| 17:14.28 | climber11 | they are there, but empty |
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| 17:15.03 | wfq | Bushmills, well there were a few zips files corresponding to data split by years |
| 17:15.29 | wfq | I found the name of the application. Shall google but I think years of my work are gonde into the rubbish bin. |
| 17:15.40 | jelly-hme | climber11: it's possible you might want to inspect your /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 17:15.46 | Bushmills | you may be lucky scanning for zip file headers, hoping that the archives are in consecutive sectors, scrape them off the device and try to unpack them |
| 17:15.55 | holycow | once again guys, my humble thank you for your kind help this morning |
| 17:15.59 | holycow | very much appreciated |
| 17:16.01 | holycow | bbl |
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| 17:17.35 | pyther24 | I got a strange problem my Debian TFTP server operates very slowly less than 2KB/sec |
| 17:17.47 | pyther24 | on the same network a CentOS server tftp server works fine |
| 17:18.12 | pyther24 | If I hook the debian box up to a small lan switch I don't have any problems |
| 17:18.35 | jelly-hme | pyther24: are you using the same tftpd? |
| 17:18.49 | pyther24 | jelly, yes tftpd-hpa |
| 17:18.57 | pyther24 | I should add the one on the debian box was working |
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| 17:19.40 | jelly-hme | wait, you have two tftpds on the same segment? |
| 17:20.00 | jelly-hme | surely not two dhcpds as well? |
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| 17:20.08 | pyther24 | jelly, well yes two tftpd servers, no only one dhcp server |
| 17:20.13 | jelly-hme | phew |
| 17:20.17 | pyther24 | I fired up the centos one to test to see if it would work or not |
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| 17:20.25 | pyther24 | all other network traffic to the debian box is fine |
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| 17:20.57 | jelly-hme | do you have any traffic in pcap format to share? |
| 17:21.24 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, not right now I could probably create something |
| 17:21.31 | pyther24 | should I run wireshark on the server |
| 17:21.34 | jelly-hme | have you straced that tftpd for any obvious reasons it might be stalling |
| 17:21.42 | jelly-hme | pyther24: tcpdump will do |
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| 17:22.29 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, what pkg is strace in? |
| 17:22.36 | jelly-hme | you have one guess! |
| 17:22.52 | pyther24 | huh? |
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| 17:23.10 | jelly-hme | go on, try guessing the package name |
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| 17:23.29 | pyther24 | well i would guess trace but aptitude isn't finding anythnig |
| 17:23.45 | jelly-hme | ... |
| 17:24.21 | jelly-hme | hint: it's eerily similar to the tool's name |
| 17:24.46 | pyther24 | gah aptitude wouldn't find strace either |
| 17:24.51 | pyther24 | I was able to install it with apt-get though |
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| 17:25.24 | crazy2k | Hi. I'm using a linker script. In the SECTIONS piece, have something like: a = 0x1; b = 0x0; c = a - b; .bss : AT(ADDR(.bss) - c) { ... } |
| 17:25.26 | pyther24 | setsockopt(0, SOL_IP, IP_MTU_DISCOVER, [0], 4) = -1 ENOTSOCK (Socket operation on non-socket) |
| 17:25.27 | crazy2k | The linker tells me that the load base has a nonconstant expression. Why? The numbers should be clearly defined. |
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| 17:25.29 | pyther24 | would that be a problem? |
| 17:26.26 | jelly-hme | pyther24: i have no idea, does it happen on the centos machine as well or not |
| 17:26.38 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, here is the strace log http://paste.pocoo.org/show/237094/ |
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| 17:26.50 | jelly-hme | but pmtu kernel tunings can really be an issues sometimes |
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| 17:27.05 | jelly-hme | (not for local segment traffic tho) |
| 17:27.06 | pyther24 | pmtu? |
| 17:28.09 | jelly-hme | http://www.netheaven.com/pmtu.html |
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| 17:28.28 | jelly-hme | that "IP_MTU_DISCOVER" option |
| 17:29.42 | jelly-hme | pyther24: 10.25.11.55 is a client? |
| 17:29.49 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, yes |
| 17:30.15 | jelly-hme | and .13? |
| 17:30.30 | fxiny | bingo with that = 5 numbers :) |
| 17:30.38 | pyther24 | .13 is the server |
| 17:30.51 | jelly-hme | pyther24: is that all that happens with that client? care to add -tt to the strace options? |
| 17:31.18 | jelly-hme | pyther24: oh, and -ff to get the child processes |
| 17:31.46 | pyther24 | like this? strace -tt -ff in.tftpd -L -v -s /tftpboot/ |
| 17:31.53 | jelly-hme | aye |
| 17:32.24 | Pupeno | There's no newer version of image magick at backports.org or am I missing something? |
| 17:32.34 | jelly-hme | ,versions imagemagick |
| 17:32.36 | judd | imagemagick -- etch: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.15+etch1; etch-security: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.15+etch1; etch-backports: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg1-3~lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; lenny-security: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; squeeze: 7:6.6.0.4-2; sid: 7:6.6.2.6-1 |
| 17:32.51 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/237099/ |
| 17:32.54 | jelly-hme | Pupeno: that's all there is |
| 17:34.22 | cusco | hi... alsamixer as normal user cannor open mixer, as root it can |
| 17:34.25 | cusco | what most common cause? |
| 17:34.37 | jelly-hme | user not in audio group |
| 17:34.38 | xyan | the user is not in audio group |
| 17:35.08 | cusco | well but it always worked fine |
| 17:35.21 | cusco | yesterday I did a apt update (using testing) |
| 17:35.25 | cusco | let me check |
| 17:35.32 | fxiny | solar wind |
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| 17:35.54 | cusco | Adding user cusco to group audio |
| 17:35.55 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, here is an tcpdump http://paste.pocoo.org/show/237104/ |
| 17:35.58 | cusco | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 17:36.05 | jelly-hme | cusco: the other common cause is you using testing and expecting no breakage |
| 17:36.10 | pyther24 | I might be away the next 15-20 minutes got to see if I can find my boss |
| 17:36.11 | cusco | heh |
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| 17:36.29 | xyan | cusco: logout & login again .. |
| 17:36.49 | cusco | xyan: the same |
| 17:36.59 | xyan | what says the group command? |
| 17:37.11 | cusco | bash: group: command not found |
| 17:37.13 | xyan | groups* |
| 17:37.17 | cusco | cusco |
| 17:37.27 | cusco | err |
| 17:37.54 | cusco | brb |
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| 17:38.33 | jelly-hme | pyther24: I meant, use tcpdump to collect relevant traffic (which you can inspect then using wireshark on a client with a GUI) |
| 17:38.52 | pyther24 | jelly, how do I used tcpdump to collect decent traffic? |
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| 17:39.57 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, the thing is that it works fine when I put it on a small 5 port switch |
| 17:40.07 | jelly-hme | pyther24: -w somefile.cap, also -n, -i, -s |
| 17:40.12 | keith4 | while attempting to netboot a VM to lenny installer, using 20090123lenny7 (latest from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ ), I get this error: http://imagebin.org/105155 |
| 17:40.39 | keith4 | this does not happen with an older netboot (20090123lenny3) |
| 17:41.41 | jelly-hme | pyther24: hm, does the server get proper link speed in the normal switch (dmesg output; ethtool)? I suppose you tried switching ports and cables. |
| 17:41.50 | xyan | keith4: irq 6 is the floppy controllers interrupt usually, try disabling the floppy controller maybe |
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| 17:42.26 | pyther24 | jelly, yah I get about 2MB/s on my small 5 port switch |
| 17:42.53 | keith4 | xyan: the VM doesn't have a floppy controller |
| 17:43.43 | xyan | keith4: so well dunno, maybe the installer tries to initialize something thats not there ;) |
| 17:43.58 | jelly-hme | pyther24: not changing whole switches, changing to different port on the same "normal" switch |
| 17:43.58 | keith4 | oh, I should mention... the error only occurs after I select "Install" at the boot menu |
| 17:44.20 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, yah I've tried change ports |
| 17:44.32 | pyther24 | the bizare thing is the CentOS box works and it is on the same switch stack |
| 17:44.53 | pyther24 | Speed: 1000Mb/sDuplex: Full |
| 17:44.56 | pyther24 | so that is good |
| 17:45.16 | xyan | keith4: do you see any floppy related stuff at the installers options? (Fx keys) |
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| 17:46.20 | xyan | keith4: for example theres a irqpoll option you could try |
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| 17:46.51 | pyther24 | jelly-hme, http://pyther.net/uploads/admin/tftp.cap |
| 17:46.55 | keith4 | xyan: my concern isn't that I'm unable to install; I can just use the older installer. I'm wondering if I should file a bug somewhere, though |
| 17:47.22 | keith4 | adding irqpoll doesn't change anything |
| 17:47.54 | xyan | keith4: well yeah you could file a bug report then |
| 17:48.37 | goldins | I hate EFI. |
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| 17:52.22 | Liquid-Silence | Hi all I just installed lenny |
| 17:52.25 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:52.27 | Liquid-Silence | to install xorg-server |
| 17:52.37 | Liquid-Silence | why does it want to pull in every driver imaginable? |
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| 17:53.04 | Liquid-Silence | I basicly want a minimal xfce setup |
| 17:53.11 | Liquid-Silence | with nvidia |
| 17:53.59 | themill | Liquid-Silence: install the driver package you want and then it will not install all the others |
| 17:54.43 | Liquid-Silence | themill: thanks dude |
| 17:55.03 | Liquid-Silence | themill: mind a pm mate? |
| 17:55.16 | climber11 | know any open source time tracking software in php with mysql support? |
| 17:55.29 | Liquid-Silence | climber11: I have a web ui I wrote in rails |
| 17:55.38 | themill | Liquid-Silence: it would be better to keep it in the channel so when I disappear suddenly you're not left stranded. |
| 17:59.10 | Liquid-Silence | ok so I want to install the nvidia driver |
| 17:59.12 | Liquid-Silence | which one is it |
| 17:59.15 | Liquid-Silence | the nvidia-glx? |
| 17:59.37 | jordanm | that is the xorg driver, but you also need the kernel module |
| 17:59.37 | jhutchins_lt | Liquid-Silence: google your chipset + xorg |
| 17:59.49 | Liquid-Silence | jhutchins_lt: in a shell :P |
| 17:59.53 | climber11 | looking for something with a lot of support |
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| 18:00.10 | Bop | anyone here knows how to generate UUID'S ? |
| 18:00.11 | jordanm | climber11: something like gtimer is not suitable? |
| 18:00.17 | jordanm | Bop: blkid |
| 18:00.27 | Bop | not my question |
| 18:00.31 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, I thought there was more than one, but I guess it's just that and legacy. |
| 18:00.48 | Bop | i mean , the process of generating , and how is it unique |
| 18:00.55 | climber11 | looking for a web based solution |
| 18:01.03 | Liquid-Silence | climber11: I can send you the code |
| 18:01.08 | Liquid-Silence | if you want to run a rails app |
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| 18:01.11 | jordanm | climber11: I would pick a CMS and look for plugins |
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| 18:01.36 | climber11 | was looking at egroupware in debian apt |
| 18:01.36 | jhutchins_lt | !uuid |
| 18:01.36 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 18:02.36 | Bop | i know all that jhutchins_lt |
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| 18:03.00 | Liquid-Silence | I actually love the debian way |
| 18:03.04 | xyan | Bop: libuuid-perl, man UUID |
| 18:03.15 | Bop | i want to know if i take my hd to another pc will give me the same UUID , and why |
| 18:03.48 | jordanm | filesystem lables are recommended if you want a persistant name accross multiple machines |
| 18:04.06 | Bop | but u cant mount based on labels |
| 18:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: Yes, because it's recorded on the device. |
| 18:04.16 | jordanm | Bop: yes you can |
| 18:04.19 | Liquid-Silence | ok install xserver-xorg |
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| 18:04.23 | Liquid-Silence | still no startx? |
| 18:04.26 | jordanm | Bop: mount /dev/disk/by-label/foo /mnt/foo |
| 18:04.32 | jordanm | Liquid-Silence: xinit package |
| 18:04.38 | jordanm | !tell Liquid-Silence about apt-file |
| 18:04.51 | xyan | Liquid-Silence: startx is in the xinit package |
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| 18:05.19 | Bop | jhutchins_lt, how can i consult it ? hdparm shows it ? and if its recorded on device , why they say generated |
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| 18:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: It's generated then recorded on the device, either at filesystem creation or when you generate it. |
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| 18:06.27 | Bop | ok |
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| 18:13.30 | kzar | Does anyone know of a CLI bitorrent client that works a bit better than rtorrent? (I'm having speed issues with rtorrent that I can't figure out) |
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| 18:14.17 | nifty | Is it possible to compile a module from kernel source staging tree? Just one singular module, without compiling the entire kernel. |
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| 18:14.49 | HazardX | what header does debian have the tty #defines for open()'s O_NOCTTY reside in? (I'm not sure what the def is called in debian either :/) |
| 18:15.11 | cahoot | nifty: same kernelversion? |
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| 18:15.55 | nifty | cahoot: meaning same kernel version currently installed? |
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| 18:16.37 | cahoot | nifty: module and the intended kernel |
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| 18:16.48 | Liquid-Silence | ok got x and openbox working |
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| 18:16.59 | Liquid-Silence | but when I exit openbox X never shuts down |
| 18:17.01 | Liquid-Silence | basicly hangs |
| 18:17.55 | Liquid-Silence | anyone maybe know what causes that |
| 18:18.01 | Liquid-Silence | I installed HAL |
| 18:18.04 | Liquid-Silence | and started |
| 18:18.54 | nifty | cahoot: Current driver in the staging tree works better in 2.6.35 compared to 2.6.32, my question is, is it possible to "extract" this particular driver from the staging tree of 2.6.35 src and install in onto older kernel version (.32 for example) |
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| 18:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | Liquid-Silence: Of the three people who run openbox, none is currently in irc. |
| 18:19.07 | cahoot_ | that I doubt |
| 18:19.21 | Liquid-Silence | jhutchins_lt: may I ask what you run? |
| 18:19.32 | jhutchins_lt | kde |
| 18:19.41 | Liquid-Silence | hmmm I have been thinking of moving to that |
| 18:19.43 | Liquid-Silence | hehe |
| 18:19.55 | nifty | cahoot_: not possible ? |
| 18:20.07 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: Yes, you can take the source and compile it agians tthe 2.6.32 headers. |
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| 18:20.35 | cahoot_ | and make it 'work'? |
| 18:20.44 | jhutchins_lt | cahoot_: Maaaaaaabe. |
| 18:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | cahoot_: Actually, compiling new drivers against older kernels works all the time. |
| 18:22.13 | nifty | jhutchins_lt: are they usually 'functional' afterwards? |
| 18:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | Sure. |
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| 18:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | If it's written for a drastically different kernel then there can be issues, but usually not. |
| 18:23.39 | nifty | jhutchins_lt: could you maybe show me a tutorial or guide or ... whatever may help me? |
| 18:23.57 | jhutchins_lt | What device is it for? |
| 18:24.39 | sed | Hello, a qq concerning the use of the dd utility; Does the format of the partition matter? For example, can i dd an entire ntfs partition to an ext3 drive? |
| 18:25.37 | lindi- | sed: dd just copies bytes |
| 18:25.46 | lindi- | sed: what does "ext3 drive" really mean? |
| 18:26.01 | nifty | jhutchins_lt: I would like to try on two staging drivers, one of them is et131x in the staging directory |
| 18:26.03 | Liquid-Silence | no chromium? |
| 18:26.12 | lindi- | sed: you have an ntfs filesystem on a partition. if you copy this to another partition then there will be no ext3 anymore |
| 18:26.16 | sed | i see your point |
| 18:26.30 | lindi- | Liquid-Silence: ? |
| 18:26.38 | Liquid-Silence | in lenny |
| 18:27.14 | sed | when i create the image, the content "or inside" of the image is a reproduction of the pattern taken from the ntfs |
| 18:27.18 | lindi- | Liquid-Silence: yeah I run it from unstable chroot |
| 18:27.29 | lindi- | currently building chromium-browser on ARM, it's slooow :) |
| 18:27.29 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: Unfortunately most of my experience is with CentOS, I've only done one in Debian and that was a couple of years ago. |
| 18:29.14 | Liquid-Silence | ok nitrogen does not work either |
| 18:29.31 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: Start with http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 18:30.13 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: Sections 4&5. |
| 18:30.31 | lindi- | Liquid-Silence: there are no bugs against nitrogen binary package |
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| 18:31.14 | Liquid-Silence | (nitrogen:3115): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_list_store_get_value: assertion `VALID_ITER (iter, list_store)' failed |
| 18:31.26 | Liquid-Silence | maybe a package was not included? |
| 18:31.32 | lindi- | Liquid-Silence: that was a hint, you should file a bug :) |
| 18:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: You'll need to get the source for the newer kernel, but onoly the headers for the current one. |
| 18:32.12 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: This may be helpful as well: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/compiling-linux-kernel-module.html |
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| 18:32.58 | nifty | jhutchins_lt: I understand all or most of that, I'm puzzled with the "Make" file, how to modify it to enable separate compilation. |
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| 18:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: See if this helps: |
| 18:33.53 | jhutchins_lt | !tell nifty about modules |
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| 18:39.06 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: You might be able to get a tarball of just the module from sourceforge, it would probably have a stand-alone make file. |
| 18:39.59 | nifty | jhutchins_lt: they have tar balls of staging tree drivers on SF ? |
| 18:40.01 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: Also see the section on modules here: http://www.aboutdebian.com/compile.htm |
| 18:40.12 | jhutchins_lt | nifty: Sometimes. |
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| 18:49.06 | rioch | I'm trying to build a deb file for my python program, but the resulting deb doesn't contain the actual program. Can anyone help? |
| 18:49.36 | jordanm | !nmg |
| 18:49.37 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 18:51.21 | allgood | hi guys |
| 18:51.35 | allgood | i am needing some help and i am unable to find with google |
| 18:52.00 | filePeter | allgood: Ask if somebody can help you. |
| 18:52.01 | allgood | i am having the "very bad inconsistence state" |
| 18:52.10 | rioch | jordanm: wow, that guide is HUGE |
| 18:52.29 | allgood | but the problem is that: it is with the 'dpkg' package! |
| 18:52.32 | dondelelcaro | allgood: so just reinstall the package |
| 18:52.42 | allgood | think i am stuck with a chicken and egg problem |
| 18:52.52 | dondelelcaro | allgood: give us the full output and the content of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy dpkg; |
| 18:53.09 | allgood | dondelelcaro: wait a sec. |
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| 18:55.11 | allgood | this problem happened when my system crashed while 'dist-upgrading' |
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| 18:55.35 | dondelelcaro | allgood: that's fine |
| 18:55.35 | allgood | getting the info now |
| 18:55.55 | jordanm | rioch: not at all... this is an example of a HUGE manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/index.html |
| 18:56.12 | allgood | # apt-cache policy |
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| 18:56.13 | allgood | Package files: |
| 18:56.15 | allgood | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.17 | allgood | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.19 | allgood | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.20 | allgood | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.21 | allgood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.41 | jordanm | our anti-flood bot dropped the ball on that one |
| 18:56.49 | dondelelcaro | it was too slow |
| 18:56.58 | themill | yay for client throttling :( |
| 18:57.04 | rioch | jordanm: no, that guide is astronomical...which is many times huger than HUGE |
| 18:57.12 | jordanm | rioch: hehe |
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| 18:57.59 | mogglefrange | Hi. I'm trying to write a shell script, and have: q="* $i *". when I echo $q, the second * is lost. |
| 18:58.12 | mogglefrange | I'm trying to build a query for -name in a find command. |
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| 18:59.06 | dondelelcaro | mogglefrange: i=1; q="*${i}*"; echo "$q" |
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| 18:59.21 | allgood | i am back |
| 18:59.26 | allgood | think i need to use pastebin |
| 18:59.27 | dondelelcaro | allgood: yeah, don't paste here |
| 18:59.45 | mogglefrange | dondelelcaro: same issue |
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| 19:00.07 | dondelelcaro | mogglefrange: uh, no, it's not |
| 19:00.56 | allgood | here is the output: http://pastebin.com/vwxGRGZp |
| 19:01.31 | Bushmills | mogglefrange: try to echo $q in a non-empty directory |
| 19:01.31 | Bushmills | and don't crosspost |
| 19:01.50 | mogglefrange | dondelelcaro: I mean, I have the same problem. Let me pastebin this... the minaimal example works |
| 19:01.54 | mogglefrange | http://paste.lisp.org/+2ER9 |
| 19:01.58 | rioch | jordanm: maybe this packaging is too much for me. Is there a way for me to find someone who will kindly package it for me? |
| 19:02.04 | mogglefrange | Bushmills: sorry, didn't realize there was a #bash until I asked |
| 19:02.15 | dondelelcaro | allgood: ok, and the output from the command you're running? |
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| 19:02.39 | allgood | output of the dpkg --configure -a: http://pastebin.com/UPJiDfdu |
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| 19:03.32 | dondelelcaro | allgood: right; dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_<tab>; and see if that fixes it |
| 19:03.47 | rking | Bushmills: Why would it glob under any circumstance? It's quoted in the q="* $x *" line, then it's just one layer of interpolation in the echo $q line |
| 19:03.53 | marienz | dondelelcaro: fixed that misfire btw, thanks for reporting it |
| 19:04.09 | dondelelcaro | marienz: awesome; thanks |
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| 19:04.30 | rking | Bushmills: It does work that way, but I don't get it. zsh behaves as I'd expect. |
| 19:04.33 | allgood | failed |
| 19:04.34 | Bushmills | rking: it doesn't under any. it does when unquoted |
| 19:04.37 | allgood | failed to execute dpkg-split |
| 19:04.45 | dondelelcaro | allgood: can you give me the complete output? |
| 19:04.45 | mei | For storing files in varying sizes on a hard drive, which will only serve as storage (no file system), which filesystem would be best to use? |
| 19:04.48 | allgood | it didnt found dpkg-split |
| 19:05.19 | dondelelcaro | allgood: does /usr/bin/dpkg-deb work? |
| 19:05.31 | allgood | all dpkg files are ".dpkg-tmp" |
| 19:05.39 | dondelelcaro | allgood: that's actually pretty normal |
| 19:05.49 | dondelelcaro | allgood: does /usr/bin/dpkg-deb exist? |
| 19:05.54 | allgood | dpkg-deb -i /var/.... ? |
| 19:06.01 | dondelelcaro | allgood: no... |
| 19:06.20 | allgood | now it exists, i renamed it from dpkg-deb.dpkg-tmp to dpkg-deb |
| 19:06.21 | dondelelcaro | I need to know if /usr/bin/dpkg-deb or /usr/bin/dpkg-deb.tmp exists first |
| 19:07.00 | mogglefrange | I still don't understand why dondelcaro's example works and my whole script doesn't (drops the last * when printing $q). if I need to read something, please point me at it, I've been trying to use the "advanced bash scripting guide". |
| 19:07.04 | dondelelcaro | allgood: run dpkg-deb -x /var/apt/archives/... /; then reinstall dpkg |
| 19:07.25 | allgood | now it claims that there is a file clash with some other package |
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| 19:07.38 | dondelelcaro | allgood: did dpkg-deb -x succeed? |
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| 19:07.58 | allgood | trying now |
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| 19:08.50 | allgood | thinks it worked |
| 19:09.32 | allgood | there is some perl errors now when i try to finish my dist-upgrade |
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| 19:10.12 | allgood | think that debsums can help me on what packages are invalid |
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| 19:11.13 | allgood | debsums claims that it cant locate warings/register.pm |
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| 19:12.59 | dondelelcaro | allgood: so you're going to have to reinstall a bunch of packages; what filesystem are you using? |
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| 19:13.07 | allgood | ext3 |
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| 19:14.08 | dondelelcaro | allgood: see if aptitude reinstall '~i'; will complete |
| 19:14.29 | dondelelcaro | allgood: if it doesn't, provide the output |
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| 19:14.57 | allgood | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the dpkg package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 19:15.24 | allgood | the "warnings" of perl isnt a directory here |
| 19:15.33 | allgood | it is without the 'r' atribute |
| 19:16.19 | allgood | it is a socket here! that is very strange |
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| 19:16.38 | dondelelcaro | allgood: hrm; this sounds like you've got pretty serious filesystem corruption going on |
| 19:17.04 | allgood | all those problem appeared after a crash followed by an fsck.ext3 |
| 19:17.21 | allgood | yes, I believe it is this |
| 19:17.39 | dondelelcaro | allgood: yeah; it's possible that part of the filesystem got destroyed. Backup your data first, and then see if you can reinstall with a fresh filesystem |
| 19:18.06 | dondelelcaro | it's possible to manually fix it, but it'd probably take a few hours worth of work |
| 19:18.15 | allgood | i think i can get from now |
| 19:18.26 | allgood | will ask again if i get stuck at some point |
| 19:18.40 | allgood | the file i am missing is from perl-base, think that dpkg-deb -x can help me on this too |
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| 19:19.10 | dondelelcaro | allgood: if dpkg is working, you should be able to just dpkg -i it |
| 19:19.19 | allgood | will try |
| 19:19.20 | dondelelcaro | allgood: dpkg-deb -x is really only needed when dpkg itself isn't working |
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| 19:19.49 | allgood | if it doesnt try to use perl, it may work |
| 19:20.16 | allgood | debsums worked |
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| 19:20.26 | Optic | does squeeze come with any firewall enabled? iptables? etc? |
| 19:20.54 | illuminatedwax | I am having serious difficulties with rsync...I'm doing a simple rsync from my server to a BSD server, and I'm getting: "Time value of <file> truncated on receiver" errors followed by "skipping non-regular file <partially garbled filename>" messages, and then rsync dies. It only does this for this one directory, which is made of files pulled from a Windows machine over SMB. Does anyone have any idea where I could start debugging |
| 19:20.54 | illuminatedwax | this problem? |
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| 19:21.53 | allgood | dondelelcaro: looks like the only damaged files was from dpkg and perl-base |
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| 19:22.00 | dondelelcaro | allgood: ah, ok; then you're golden |
| 19:22.01 | otheina | Where can I find a mini install cd that can access a wpa network? |
| 19:22.13 | dondelelcaro | Optic: not by default, but you can easily configure it |
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| 19:22.40 | Ziber | Why does my system complain about locales everytime I apt-get something? |
| 19:22.55 | dondelelcaro | Ziber: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build the locale you're using |
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| 19:23.10 | Ziber | What do you mean, build them? locale-gen? |
| 19:23.15 | Ziber | I've done that. |
| 19:23.51 | dondelelcaro | Ziber: what is the output from perl -e 1; ? |
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| 19:24.18 | allgood | dondelelcaro: think that there is some other missing directories, upgraded to sockets or downgraded to files! |
| 19:24.24 | allgood | but i will hunt then |
| 19:24.29 | allgood | thank you for your help |
| 19:24.38 | Ziber | dondelelcaro: there is no output. |
| 19:24.42 | dondelelcaro | allgood: you can pretty much reinstall everything using aptitude '~i'; |
| 19:25.01 | Optic | what about selinux? I can't seem to make outbound connections to high ports on a stock squeeze box |
| 19:25.04 | allgood | what does the ~i? |
| 19:25.06 | dondelelcaro | Ziber: ok; what is the output from apt-get when you're installing something? |
| 19:25.14 | dondelelcaro | allgood: installed packages |
| 19:25.20 | Ziber | Ah, dpkg-reconfigure worked. Thanks :) |
| 19:25.44 | otheina | Where can I find a minimal cd image that can access an wpa encrypted network? |
| 19:26.01 | jhutchins_lt | otheina: None currently available. |
| 19:26.20 | Hanzerik|VM | otheina, that would probably be a specialized custom build cd. |
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| 19:26.29 | dondelelcaro | otheina: you can do the install using a normal cd, then configure wpa |
| 19:26.36 | dondelelcaro | (if you have a full first cd, that'll work) |
| 19:26.47 | Hanzerik|VM | Someone out there has probably made one for their own use, but may have never made it public |
| 19:27.09 | jordanm | Optic: selinux is not installed by default, and when it is installed, it doesn't default to enforcing |
| 19:27.19 | Optic | hmm I wonder what's wrong then :-/ |
| 19:27.26 | dondelelcaro | otheina: actually, there is a wpasupplicant udeb which may enable installing using wpa |
| 19:27.26 | allgood | aptitude reinstall is complaining some dependencies, think that this is because my dist-upgrade was interrupted |
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| 19:27.48 | dondelelcaro | Optic: it'd help if you told us what the real problem was |
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| 19:27.56 | jordanm | Optic: what are trying to do and what is the error? |
| 19:28.06 | Optic | I'm trying to connect to port 8139 on our puppet server |
| 19:28.10 | Optic | and i'm getting timeouts |
| 19:28.18 | Optic | works from other machines on the same network |
| 19:28.25 | otheina | Thanks |
| 19:28.28 | Optic | just a basic tcp connection |
| 19:28.42 | Optic | I can connect to port 80 on that machine |
| 19:28.48 | dondelelcaro | Optic: and telnet foohost 8139; fails as well? can you telnet to any port on that machine? |
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| 19:28.54 | jordanm | nmap -sS -p8139 remote_host |
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| 19:30.34 | Optic | sorry, it's port 8140 |
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| 19:30.43 | Optic | I can telnet to 8140 on that machine from other machines on the same net |
| 19:30.53 | Optic | and I can telnet to port 80 on that machine from the squeeze machine |
| 19:31.12 | Optic | nmap -sS says 8140/tcp filtered unknown |
| 19:31.47 | jordanm | filtered usually means there is a firewall or NAT in between. closed would indicate that there is no daemon listening on the remote host |
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| 19:32.38 | jordanm | sure the server is not configured to accept connection on 8140 only for particular hosts? |
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| 19:33.09 | Optic | pretty sure, the machines I'm testing from are all behind the same nat |
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| 19:33.13 | Optic | so the source address should be the same |
| 19:33.30 | jordanm | i thought you said that they were both on the same network earlier? |
| 19:33.49 | jordanm | oh |
| 19:34.49 | jordanm | Optic: capture the data on the gateway from both hosts attempting to connect and compare |
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| 19:38.04 | Optic | yeah |
| 19:38.09 | Optic | I will do more digging |
| 19:38.19 | Optic | I agree it probably isn't squeeze's fault :) |
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| 19:44.12 | jordanm | Optic: well, I could see the possibility of net.bind.ipv6only=1 causing issues in squeeze, if your system is out date. that had mostly caused issues with java applications however |
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| 19:44.34 | lindi- | jordanm: it seems to affect quite many other packages that don't get much testing too |
| 19:44.50 | Zoup | anyidea how to 'black list' badblocks when creating swap storage? |
| 19:45.05 | jordanm | lindi-: well, the change was reverted, so not much worrying now |
| 19:47.14 | lindi- | jordanm: really? |
| 19:47.29 | lindi- | I started ignoring the mailing list thread too early I guess |
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| 19:47.31 | jordanm | lindi-: yes, don't you watch debian-ctte? :p |
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| 19:48.00 | jordanm | md actually descided to revert the change before the tech comittee did |
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| 19:49.20 | mo_o | hey guys! does someone know about a limit for fork or sthg? |
| 19:49.30 | mo_o | like how often a process can fork itself? |
| 19:49.48 | lindi- | jordanm: aha, thanks |
| 19:50.09 | lindi- | jordanm: I wonder if the PATH issue could be fixed like that too :) |
| 19:50.39 | lindi- | jordanm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571086 -- nobody seems to be interested |
| 19:50.52 | jordanm | lindi-: was that the issue you were having with /etc/profile and debian-openmoko? |
| 19:51.07 | jordanm | ah, yes, I remember |
| 19:51.28 | lindi- | jordanm: yeah but it happens on every new installation of unstable too, nothing openmoko specific |
| 19:51.41 | lindi- | jordanm: no DD is going to notice since they only upgrade and never reinstall |
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| 19:52.30 | moldovean | dpkg, bug #571086 |
| 19:52.30 | dpkg | i don't know, moldovean |
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| 19:52.48 | moldovean | dpkg, bugid #571086 |
| 19:52.48 | dpkg | moldovean: i haven't a clue |
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| 19:53.50 | jordanm | lindi-: well, you could raise the topic to ctte, it is worth discussion IMO. do you know if it had been discussed on -devel? |
| 19:53.57 | Bop | does anyone ever user hdparm --repair-sector parameter ? |
| 19:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mo_o, until your machine dies... |
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| 19:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mo_o, "ulimit -u" in bash |
| 19:56.11 | mo_o | thx :) |
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| 19:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | also "help ulimit" |
| 19:57.04 | Helpboy | can someone hekp me with my xorg.conf? specificallly the device section, what is the generic driver, I thought it was "vesa" |
| 19:57.22 | lindi- | jordanm: not that I know of |
| 19:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | let X -configure do it for you? |
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| 19:57.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp!! |
| 19:58.04 | jordanm | Helpboy: a xorg.conf should not be needed to run vesa |
| 19:58.16 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: don't scare me! |
| 19:58.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, bøøø! |
| 19:58.29 | jordanm | really, it should only be needed for special keyboard configurations and proprietary drivers |
| 19:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | was never good at following orders :) |
| 19:58.49 | Helpboy | with dexcoonf or something like that I ran dexconf and it did not provide me with a driver |
| 19:58.57 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm an old man. This could well give me a heart attack. |
| 19:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never said I'm not evil |
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| 19:59.49 | mo_o | CutMeOwnThroat: does that actually mean a process can fork x amount of times before it's denied to fork again or he can exists x amount of times at the same time? |
| 19:59.51 | Helpboy | what is the automated command to have x configure it for you |
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| 20:00.18 | nsadmin | (surprisingly) X -configure |
| 20:00.22 | zebradog | Helpboy, was said. see above. |
| 20:00.24 | Helpboy | ok |
| 20:00.31 | zebradog | Helpboy, it's not ok. |
| 20:00.36 | nsadmin | but as mentioned, you don't need a config file |
| 20:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mo_o, that means the user is allowed to have x processes at the same time... I did refer you to 'help ulimit'... |
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| 20:01.06 | zebradog | latest X has on fly detection. xorg.conf is used to aside from the default autodetection |
| 20:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. that would translate into "process cannot for if user has >=x processes" |
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| 20:03.03 | chmeee | Hi, I've looked everywhere I can, but I can't answer this one question: How can I autogenerate the debian/files file when creating a debian source package?\ |
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| 20:04.09 | nsadmin | what would such an autogenerator read as data? |
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| 20:04.26 | moldovean | !nmg |
| 20:04.27 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 20:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian/files? |
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| 20:04.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | wazzat? |
| 20:04.50 | chmeee | nsadmin: I don't know. But I'm dissecting existing packages and they don't contain a debian/files or even a dpkg-distaddfile call |
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| 20:05.09 | jordanm | chmeee: you wouldn't use debian/files + dh_install, you would use dh_auto_install instead |
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| 20:06.57 | chmeee | jordanm: dpkg-buildpackage is running dh_auto_install. But I still get the error from dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:09.42 | chmeee | d'oh, nevermind. I was missing a 'dh binary-arch' in my debian/rules |
| 20:09.45 | bkw | sed -i -re 's/foo/empty/1' file will replace first occurrence, on every line, but I would like it to only do it once through the whole file. |
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| 20:10.37 | Helpboy | I erased python because I was installing the new version and now X is screwed up... |
| 20:11.05 | zebradog | Helpboy, lol |
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| 20:11.53 | zebradog | Helpboy, yob pleh |
| 20:12.10 | zebradog | Helpboy, seems like you didnt read any warning from apt |
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| 20:13.28 | Tramp | bkw: sed '/foo/{s/foo/empty/1;q}' - but you may also ask ##sed for another way |
| 20:13.49 | Tramp | bkw: for your example you need neither -r nor -e (though -i) |
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| 20:13.51 | nutron | other than sabayon, is there another program which can use user policies for gnome? I'm having a very difficult time backporting sabayon from squeeze to lenny |
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| 20:17.33 | valdyn | nutron: for all i know sabayon only sets the policy, it does not enforce them, it should be useless in lenny gnome |
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| 20:17.55 | valdyn | judd: versions sabayon |
| 20:17.57 | judd | sabayon -- etch: 2.12.4-4; sid: 2.30.0-1+b1; squeeze: 2.30.0-1+b1 |
| 20:18.02 | valdyn | uh |
| 20:18.07 | valdyn | etch.. |
| 20:18.40 | valdyn | nutron: guess im wrong, use a package from sdo |
| 20:18.42 | valdyn | !sdo |
| 20:18.42 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 20:19.24 | [diecast] | is php5 in stable lenny equal to 5.2.13 - Package: php5 (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8) |
| 20:19.39 | [diecast] | not sure if that is a backport name or if it really is 5.2.6 |
| 20:19.47 | rudi_s | ,php5 |
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| 20:20.17 | [diecast] | rudi_s: hmm? |
| 20:20.22 | rudi_s | , versions php5 |
| 20:20.22 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1 |
| 20:20.27 | rudi_s | [diecast]: ^ |
| 20:20.30 | [diecast] | thanks |
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| 20:20.33 | rudi_s | np |
| 20:20.49 | [diecast] | basically ignore the cruft on the end |
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| 20:21.03 | nutron | valdyn: from sdo? |
| 20:21.10 | valdyn | nutron: read what dpkg said |
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| 20:21.28 | nutron | oh heh I hadn't gotten that far :) |
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| 20:21.42 | rudi_s | [diecast]: Yeah, current version is 5.2.6 with debian specific changes. |
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| 20:24.29 | nutron | valdyn: thanks for the help |
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| 20:26.42 | jair | guys, a general question: if I installed firefox from source in Debian and now will test the 4.0b beta version should I run the make uninstall first? |
| 20:27.09 | zebradog | jair, from what i understand it's possible to run ffox entirely from a ~/subdir .. |
| 20:27.42 | jair | because I installed the version 3.5 using ./configure and make install, but I am not sure if I can compile 4.0b in top of the 3.5 |
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| 20:28.36 | jair | zebradog: it is but I am not sure about the limitations... what will be the advantage of running it from source than running it from a folder stand alone? |
| 20:28.40 | jhutchins_lt | Mozilla's installers tend to shotgun stuff all over your filesystem. |
| 20:30.12 | jair | zebradog: maybe if I install it from source the firefox will adopt the plugins etc... running it from the directory will not know about those things like flash, java, and others, again when html 5 take over the web then i will not worry about plugins anymore :) |
| 20:30.15 | Helpboy | so now I am reinstalling python, the default manager is tvwm, how do I change that |
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| 20:31.05 | jair | jhutchins_lt: it looks like everything is on the directory of my preference... But you may be right. |
| 20:31.07 | nutron | which package contains su-to-root ? |
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| 20:31.17 | jair | jhutchins_lt: I will need to find more information about it |
| 20:31.24 | larry | Wow this seems like a silly question but what is the easiest way to find out which USB port corresponds to which /dev ? |
| 20:32.24 | moldovean | dmesg | tail |
| 20:32.46 | moldovean | nutron, /msg dpkg as |
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| 20:33.53 | BrixSat | hello |
| 20:33.54 | jhutchins_lt | moldovean: tail is redundant - you're gonna see the last screen of dmesg anyway. |
| 20:34.19 | BrixSat | how do i set up my labtec webcam plus on debian 5 (server) |
| 20:34.23 | lindi- | larry: usb mass storage stuff? |
| 20:34.33 | larry | lindi: actually its a UPS |
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| 20:34.38 | jhutchins_lt | larry: Plug something in to each one systematically, look at dmesg or syslog. |
| 20:35.16 | lindi- | larry: you have more than one? |
| 20:35.39 | larry | Just 1 |
| 20:35.44 | lindi- | ok |
| 20:35.51 | larry | Need to specify the /dev location for the daemon |
| 20:36.04 | larry | Looking @ dmesg but not seeing anything useful... |
| 20:36.11 | jhutchins_lt | larry: lsusb should show it. |
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| 20:37.40 | zebradog | Helpboy, if you want to simply test X bare minimum, you can try xinit (from root), and then afterwards type ctl-alt-backspace to exit |
| 20:37.49 | larry | ok looking thx |
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| 20:38.25 | BrixSat | how do i set up my labtec webcam plus on debian 5 (server)? |
| 20:39.22 | zebradog | BrixSat, just plug it in and start using it.. |
| 20:39.53 | BrixSat | zebradog: server version :( should it not be /dev/video0 ? |
| 20:40.38 | zebradog | BrixSat, have you tried this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=133392& |
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| 20:41.14 | zebradog | BrixSat, modprobe gspca ? |
| 20:41.40 | BrixSat | FATAL: Module gspca not found. |
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| 20:43.33 | zebradog | BrixSat, did u try modprobe gspca_spca561 ? |
| 20:43.51 | zebradog | BrixSat, http://lwn.net/Articles/291036/ |
| 20:43.51 | Helpboy | where do I change xinitrc? |
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| 20:44.06 | zebradog | Helpboy, make a new file called ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:44.06 | BrixSat | =) |
| 20:44.25 | zebradog | BrixSat, modprobe gspca_spca561 worked ? |
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| 20:44.51 | BrixSat | zebradog: not found.... |
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| 20:45.39 | zebradog | BrixSat, have you tried aptitude search gspca ? |
| 20:45.47 | zebradog | or apt-cache search gspca? |
| 20:46.25 | BrixSat | yes i have several |
| 20:46.52 | zebradog | BrixSat, so try installing one that says module, and related to spca561 |
| 20:46.55 | Helpboy | how do I change it from booting twm to gnome? |
| 20:47.12 | zebradog | Helpboy, you can install gdm |
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| 20:48.11 | zebradog | Helpboy, if you want to start gnome without gdm, but through xinitrc, you probably can by using "start-gnome" in your .xinitrc file |
| 20:48.24 | Helpboy | k |
| 20:48.25 | zebradog | or something like that |
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| 20:49.21 | BrixSat | zebradog: thanks |
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| 20:56.41 | Helpboy | gnome-start start-gnome "gnome-start" and "start-gnome" did not work zebradog |
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| 20:59.12 | larry | jhutchins_lt: So I used lsusb and it found the device it lists it as Bus 006 Dev 002 what /dev would that correspond to? |
| 20:59.47 | larry | usbdev6.2_ep02? |
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| 21:00.21 | Helpboy | can someone using gnome tell me what is in their /~/.xinitrc file? |
| 21:00.34 | lost_soul | larry: did you try dmesg | tail |
| 21:00.41 | lost_soul | that will show the device |
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| 21:01.18 | larry | lost_soul: I did but I can't find it listed |
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| 21:01.38 | larry | lists SIPI, br0, vnet0, UDF-fs, ISO_9660, ISOFS, CE |
| 21:02.01 | lost_soul | paste what it shows you on pastebin maybe? |
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| 21:02.27 | lindi- | larry: usbdev6.2_ep02 is the usb device yes but you probably don't want to talk to that |
| 21:03.05 | larry | Hmm |
| 21:03.14 | larry | What do you suggest? |
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| 21:04.01 | lindi- | larry: /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 21:04.09 | larry | the UPS readme says to use somthing like /dev/ttyUSB0 or similar but I am not seeing that in the /dev ls |
| 21:04.17 | lindi- | larry: uname -r? |
| 21:04.38 | larry | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 21:04.56 | lindi- | larry: what's printed to dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 21:05.03 | larry | Let me try that |
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| 21:07.01 | larry | dmesgsays usb-6-2 |
| 21:07.13 | larry | I dont see any /dev refrence |
| 21:07.41 | larry | also says usbserial support registered |
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| 21:11.10 | lindi- | larry: can you put the whole output online to paste.debian.net? |
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| 21:11.56 | larry | k brb |
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| 21:12.06 | larry | Just the usb part right? |
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| 21:13.33 | larry | lindi-: /80382 |
| 21:13.37 | larry | Thanks for looking :D |
| 21:14.24 | jhutchins | lost_soul: What is the point of piping dmesg through tail? |
| 21:15.37 | lindi- | jhutchins: saves time over GPRS |
| 21:15.38 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Just keeping things tidy? You don't lose so much history off the top of an xterm, or won't have to wait forever if you happen to be on a 9600 baud serial link, etc. |
| 21:16.05 | lindi- | larry: odd |
| 21:16.42 | jhutchins | Except I get exactly the same output from dmesg and dmesg | tail |
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| 21:17.01 | lost_soul | I don't see how thats possible |
| 21:17.02 | lindi- | I don't :) |
| 21:17.14 | lindi- | time dmesg => real 0m0.671s |
| 21:17.15 | jhutchins | Now if I do | tail -10, yeah. |
| 21:17.17 | larry | lindi-: that doesn't sound good :D |
| 21:17.21 | lindi- | time dmesg | tail => real 0m0.232s |
| 21:17.29 | lindi- | three times faster! |
| 21:18.41 | jhutchins | Ok, well now it's only showing 10, so maybe I was mistaken. |
| 21:19.00 | larry | should I map it using udev? |
| 21:20.00 | BlackBook | wah. I installed debian on an (old, white) ibook, and the screen is only 800x600 instead of 1024x768. |
| 21:20.54 | jhutchins | larry: You don't have a driver for the device loaded, therefore there is no entry in /dev. |
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| 21:21.28 | jhutchins | I wonder if it's a ttyUSB#? |
| 21:22.46 | larry | Hmm |
| 21:23.00 | larry | When I list /dev there are no ttyUSB entries |
| 21:24.49 | larry | ls |
| 21:24.52 | larry | oops :D |
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| 21:33.03 | jan_ | hi |
| 21:33.13 | jan_ | i've a problem: |
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| 21:33.39 | jan_ | i'm loged in as root but i have no permission to change some sys-files |
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| 21:34.11 | moldovean | which exactly ? |
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| 21:34.36 | jan_ | moldovean: some files in /proc/ |
| 21:34.51 | jan_ | i try to make my laptop more power efficent |
| 21:35.23 | moldovean | !cpufreq |
| 21:35.23 | dpkg | from memory, cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) for Linux 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) for throttling processor speed to save power when the system is idle. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
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| 21:36.09 | Joint | hey i have a question how do you insert a patch? |
| 21:36.25 | dondelelcaro | Joint: with patch |
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| 21:36.43 | Joint | right, patch network.c.diff |
| 21:36.44 | Joint | like that? |
| 21:36.46 | dondelelcaro | (I'm assuming you actually meant "apply", not "insert") |
| 21:37.00 | Joint | yeah apply a patch ;) |
| 21:37.20 | dondelelcaro | Joint: no; patch -i network.c.diff; or patch < network.c.diff; man patch for details |
| 21:37.42 | dondelelcaro | (you may also need the appropriate -p option) |
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| 21:38.19 | Joint | ty dondelelcaro |
| 21:38.44 | jan_ | moldovean: yeah but this don't help me with my problem |
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| 21:39.38 | moldovean | jan_, /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:40.43 | jan_ | moldovean: should i just ask 'him' my question? |
| 21:41.24 | syn4pse | copy paste that "/msg dpkg ask" |
| 21:41.26 | syn4pse | :) |
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| 21:42.58 | Joint | can someone help me with this error please http://pastebin.ca/1900098 |
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| 21:43.16 | jan_ | ahh |
| 21:44.23 | Joint | has anyone have had that issued with lighttpd |
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| 21:46.30 | themill | !btssmite Joint |
| 21:46.30 | dpkg | beats Joint around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Joint is running testing or unstable |
| 21:47.45 | Joint | I'm running sid |
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| 22:20.59 | maher | request for advice: I have openvpn running - is there an easy way to set up a vpn dns so that i don't have to manually edit /etc/hosts to know that 10.0.0.3 is machine foo for example? |
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| 22:21.30 | mee | dnsmasq |
| 22:21.49 | mee | although last time I used it it crashed pretty often |
| 22:21.57 | maher | i have a dns server running so i could set foo.mydomain to 10.0.0.3 - is this considered unwise / bad manners? |
| 22:22.37 | mee | that's fine. You can even name them foo.vpn or some other crazy tld to prevent any accidental mixups |
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| 22:23.40 | maher | mee: ok - so i won't anger the dns gods if i set my own dns entries to private ips... |
| 22:23.56 | not-me | hi, im trying to install git on a debian box, but afterwards it does not seem to exists on the system? |
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| 22:24.50 | maher | not-me: dpkg -l | grep git <-- do you see it there |
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| 22:25.26 | not-me | nope says a transitional package |
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| 22:25.50 | maher | not-me: what are you trying to install? |
| 22:25.55 | not-me | git |
| 22:26.05 | moldovean | , versions git-core |
| 22:26.05 | judd | git-core -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.7.1-1; squeeze: 1:1.7.1-1 |
| 22:26.09 | larry | So I am still trying to get this UPS hooked up but it isn't showing as a ttyUSB* in the /dev dir. What I did notice is that when I plug it in a /usb/hiddev0 appears, I tried addressing that w/ the UPS software daemon but to no avail, any ideas how to get this to register correctly? Also tried adding custom udev rules but no luck there either. |
| 22:26.11 | not-me | im trying to install snorby |
| 22:26.33 | maher | not-me: try git-all |
| 22:26.36 | lindi- | larry: "the UPS software daemon"? |
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| 22:27.03 | CAP5079 | hi |
| 22:27.08 | not-me | couldnt find package git-all |
| 22:27.10 | CAP5079 | i do a nano of syslog |
| 22:27.15 | CAP5079 | and now my sever dont response |
| 22:27.20 | larry | lindi: the software included w/ the UPS |
| 22:27.29 | not-me | git-core exists |
| 22:27.30 | CAP5079 | its a posible trobule because syslog was high |
| 22:27.31 | CAP5079 | ? |
| 22:27.33 | maher | not-me: what version of debian |
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| 22:27.38 | lindi- | larry: you should use software that is part of debian if you want support here really :/ |
| 22:28.15 | not-me | 5 |
| 22:28.18 | maher | not-me: you probably want git-core |
| 22:28.19 | CAP5079 | anyone know how to solve a nano syslog that hangs my debian ? |
| 22:28.36 | larry | lindi-: All I want is to find out how to get UPS as a usable dev |
| 22:28.36 | maher | CAP5079: how big is syslog? |
| 22:28.43 | CAP5079 | i dont know but some gigas |
| 22:28.44 | not-me | hi, loks like it, thanks |
| 22:28.50 | CAP5079 | and i use NANO |
| 22:28.54 | larry | Any idea why it shows as hiddev0? |
| 22:28.56 | maher | CAP5079: ok - don't try nano on that |
| 22:29.01 | CAP5079 | i know |
| 22:29.05 | CAP5079 | was a mistake |
| 22:29.18 | maher | CAP5079: what do you want to do? |
| 22:29.28 | CAP5079 | stabilize the server |
| 22:29.30 | themill | not-me: you may want to look at git-core from backports.org. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 22:29.34 | peeps[work] | does any release of debian currently use upstart |
| 22:29.36 | CAP5079 | but i can not restart manuallly |
| 22:30.06 | lindi- | larry: 2.6.26 might not support it enough to make it look like a character device. |
| 22:30.11 | maher | CAP5079: is it currently running? |
| 22:30.15 | CAP5079 | yes but |
| 22:30.19 | CAP5079 | websytes not response |
| 22:30.21 | CAP5079 | but ping response |
| 22:30.28 | CAP5079 | says timeout execeded |
| 22:30.32 | CAP5079 | i think was the nano |
| 22:30.32 | moldovean | !enter |
| 22:30.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 22:30.38 | CAP5079 | the logrotat dont work |
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| 22:30.43 | CAP5079 | or only 1 for month |
| 22:30.44 | maher | CAP5079: do you have console access? |
| 22:30.49 | CAP5079 | yes SSH |
| 22:30.55 | CAP5079 | but also its timeout |
| 22:31.15 | maher | CAP5079: i mean do you have console access where you can type stuff in and it does stuff... |
| 22:31.35 | CAP5079 | what? stuff ==mena? |
| 22:31.45 | CAP5079 | okk |
| 22:31.48 | CAP5079 | i dont have console access |
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| 22:32.03 | maher | CAP5079: ummm... that's too bad |
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| 22:33.14 | CAP5079 | works |
| 22:33.24 | maher | CAP5079: can you kill the nano process |
| 22:33.36 | CAP5079 | how i can view the nano process? |
| 22:33.51 | maher | CAP5079: try: killall nano |
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| 22:34.06 | CAP5079 | thanks |
| 22:34.18 | maher | CAP5079: if that doesn |
| 22:34.40 | maher | CAP5079: 't work, try ps auxw | grep nano and then kill -9 PID |
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| 22:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | How about just another ssh session? |
| 22:35.52 | tharkun | maher: kill -9 `pidof nano` |
| 22:36.09 | CAP5079 | says root 17721 0.0 0.0 1523 what its the pid? |
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| 22:36.22 | CAP5079 | [tharkun] dont work |
| 22:36.31 | Tramp | check pgrep/pkill |
| 22:36.37 | jhutchins_lt | CAP5079: 17721 |
| 22:38.00 | CAP5079 | ok |
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| 23:00.00 | pobegam | What's the situation with Nvidia Ion? Is it supported? I can't find any information on it. |
| 23:01.06 | climber11 | anyone familiar with http://www.quickscheduling.com/ a web based time tracking php application? I am having trouble with running it for the first time. |
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| 23:01.53 | Ziber | Is there a debian equivalent of Ubuntu's /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 23:02.00 | sthon | climber11: toggl.com is a good alternative |
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| 23:08.08 | climber11 | sthon: looking for something i can host myself, can't seem to find where they provide the source for toggl.com |
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| 23:09.38 | pyther24 | Hello |
| 23:09.47 | pyther24 | if a new kernel gets installed does the old one get removed? |
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| 23:10.57 | climber11 | probably will have to remove residual files |
| 23:11.47 | pyther24 | climber11, is like redhat where you install multiple kernels and then remove the ones you don't want? |
| 23:11.48 | syslq | pyther24: no |
| 23:12.27 | pyther24 | syslq, no to my redhat question or my inital question? |
| 23:12.36 | pyther24 | basically I'm trying to tell if I upgrade the kernel |
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| 23:13.34 | bzed | pyther24: depends on. if it is a new release of the installed one, the installed one will be replaced. if it is a new kernel version or the abi was broken, then they'll be installed in parallel |
| 23:14.07 | pyther24 | bzed, is there a way to see if there has been a kernel upgrade since June 10th? |
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| 23:22.24 | climber11 | how do i troubleshoot an authentication issue on a php application? |
| 23:23.31 | ZitZ | you don't, lol |
| 23:24.14 | climber11 | thats mean |
| 23:25.58 | nsadmin | the first step is pretty much always the same... you gather information about the specific instance |
| 23:26.42 | nsadmin | is there a place that you know of where information is collected about the operation of the website? |
| 23:27.40 | climber11 | doesn't seem to be much support for it |
| 23:28.04 | nsadmin | support for which? |
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| 23:28.53 | nsadmin | we have about 3 or 4 nouns floating around this conversation already... so, pls be specific |
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| 23:30.40 | climber11 | its this application http://www.quickscheduling.com/ |
| 23:30.53 | climber11 | time tracking software by timemagnum |
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| 23:31.26 | climber11 | i think i may not have apache configured properly |
| 23:31.35 | nsadmin | ok, before looking at that, I would like to satisfy a few curiousities I have... first, are you a php coder yourself? |
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| 23:31.51 | climber11 | not professionally |
| 23:32.06 | nsadmin | ok, but you've done it and made some things work? |
| 23:32.14 | climber11 | correct |
| 23:32.51 | nsadmin | ok, what were some of the things you used to make soemthing work when it didn't? (include some of your thinking processes) |
| 23:34.15 | climber11 | it may be a lost battle, but i am stubborn |
| 23:34.17 | nsadmin | just so you know, I am a web coder semipro, but I don't presently have experience with php. what I do have experience with, is degubbing and spelling. |
| 23:34.25 | nsadmin | (j/k :) |
| 23:34.28 | climber11 | hehe |
| 23:34.55 | climber11 | i can confirm that through the web interface i am able to create users |
| 23:35.07 | climber11 | so apache is working with mysql |
| 23:35.15 | climber11 | as well as php |
| 23:35.41 | nsadmin | aha, so they are getting into the database... and I assume "user" in this context is a row in a table? |
| 23:35.52 | climber11 | correct |
| 23:36.02 | climber11 | the passwords are encrypted in some way |
| 23:36.14 | nsadmin | in the same table? |
| 23:36.51 | climber11 | yes |
| 23:37.09 | nsadmin | ok, and what is the auth issue exactly? |
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| 23:38.19 | climber11 | not sure |
| 23:38.21 | climber11 | http://textbin.com/867u3 |
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| 23:38.28 | climber11 | thats the logon.php |
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| 23:38.44 | climber11 | just always get "Authentication fails" |
| 23:38.46 | Alystair | how do I prevent cron from sending me email for every line I have in there? |
| 23:39.05 | Alystair | I have a curl script running every minute and I have a bajillion local messages by end of day |
| 23:39.19 | nsadmin | prevent the thing that runs in cron from outputting to stdout or stderr |
| 23:39.39 | Alystair | nsadmin: I have it piping to a file... |
| 23:39.48 | Alystair | curl commands-here > file |
| 23:40.01 | nsadmin | so are you getting the 2>? |
| 23:40.02 | climber11 | which means that "if ($row[user_count]==1)" is not true |
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| 23:40.19 | Alystair | nsadmin huh? |
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| 23:40.51 | nsadmin | Alystair: 2 is stderr |
| 23:40.54 | Alystair | it can have more than one output? @_@ |
| 23:41.07 | nsadmin | Oi think he's got it! |
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| 23:41.39 | nsadmin | yes, stdout (which is for normal output) and stderr (which is for error messages) |
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| 23:42.06 | Alystair | that's pretty awesome |
| 23:42.15 | Alystair | I learn more and more cool things about unix every day :D |
| 23:42.20 | nsadmin | and if you open more streams you can have more than those two, but by default you have three streams |
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| 23:43.22 | nsadmin | input -> {goes into the process, which can produce} -> output {and} -> errors |
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| 23:44.36 | nsadmin | climber11, describe it from your point of view when you're actually trying it... start by filling in this sentence: when I do ______, ______ happens when I was expecting ______. |
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| 23:45.24 | nsadmin | Alystair: these three streams have numbers... stdin is 0, stdout is 1 and stderr is 2 |
| 23:45.55 | Bop | anyone here ever recovered hard disks with hdparm --repair-sector ? |
| 23:47.00 | nsadmin | Alystair, the messages that get mailed to you are -exclusively- error messages? |
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| 23:53.38 | Tramp | Bop: apparently all it does is a write to the specified sector, to force a remapping |
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| 23:54.15 | Bop | Tramp, yes, i wonder if i have to manually point that sector or it just will scan ao do it auto to the surface |
| 23:55.04 | Alystair | nsadmin: no it's just transfer notices |
| 23:55.20 | Bop | Tramp, and wondering too , if its the same as HDD regenerator from ms-dos |
| 23:55.20 | Tramp | Bop: apparently it requires you to give a sector-number - what exactly is your problem? |
| 23:55.35 | Bop | Tramp, nothing , just random digging |
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| 23:56.25 | Bop | Tramp, that was my ideia , well , sucks , cause u always have tons of bad sectors :s |
| 23:56.33 | Tramp | Bop: typically if you have "pending sectors" in SMART output and an error in the self-test logs, you get the number of the sector there which caused a read error |
| 23:57.12 | Tramp | Bop: now you can blindly overwrite this sector, causing a remap. Problem is, you don't know, if that sector was used by a file |
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| 23:57.40 | Tramp | Bop: and if you have tons of bad sectors (who tells you that?) you have a broken disk |
| 23:57.55 | Bop | Tramp, im talking in those cases where that does not matter, just retrying to make it work |
| 23:58.28 | Bop | Tramp, u can have like 200 damaged sectors , in 120 GB its nothing |
| 23:58.40 | Tramp | Bop: it's higly unusual |
| 23:58.47 | Bop | still , alot of work to put it all in --repair-sector |
| 23:59.18 | Bop | Tramp, i've used it |
| 23:59.37 | Bop | created blank partitions in the damaged area |
| 23:59.48 | Bop | without filesystem |