| 00:00.11 | Tramp | last time I checked, I remember I found a number of about 1k spare sectors per GB diskspace for modern disks |
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| 00:00.25 | Tramp | sorry, per TB, not GB |
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| 00:01.25 | Tramp | and I'd expect this about an order of magnitude "on the safe side" for the typical disk - so if you actually have "dozens" or "hundreds" of damaged sectors, I'd consider it highly unlikely |
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| 00:02.05 | Bop | well , i didnt replace them , i just ignore then |
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| 00:02.54 | Tramp | If that many sectors are really bad, I wouldn't trust that disk. - thus my question, who told you that the sectors are "bad"? |
| 00:03.10 | Bop | Tramp, ms scandisk |
| 00:03.26 | Tramp | yup. Sounds trustworthy then. It has "MS" in the name. |
| 00:03.32 | Bop | :) |
| 00:03.43 | Bop | i was getting failures |
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| 00:03.49 | Bop | so i've scanned it |
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| 00:04.15 | Bop | well , i dont know any linux aplication that will do that for me |
| 00:04.26 | Bop | surface scan |
| 00:04.49 | miniCruzer | Ok, so I just installed Debian 5 and my computer shuts off when I try and compile something, as if someone pulled the power cable out of it. |
| 00:05.09 | miniCruzer | It can't get past a ./configure script |
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| 00:05.31 | Bop | looks like heat problems |
| 00:05.32 | Tramp | Bop: (1) I'd trust SMART (2) maybe badblocks, though I've never used it |
| 00:06.05 | Bop | badblocks ? is it a app ? |
| 00:06.13 | miniCruzer | Yes, I've used an air compressor to clean out the heatsinks, but that didn't help much |
| 00:06.16 | Tramp | yes - what else? |
| 00:06.19 | Perelli | never seen computer shutdown at linux installation, prolly isnt linux thats causing problem check hardware |
| 00:06.36 | Tramp | memory problems probably |
| 00:06.40 | miniCruzer | I'm pretty well aware of the hardware issue. This computer was manufactured in 03 |
| 00:06.47 | Perelli | good guess yes tramp |
| 00:06.52 | miniCruzer | It worked fine in Ubuntu though |
| 00:06.58 | Bop | yes, badblocks i know is for bas sectors on memory |
| 00:07.13 | Tramp | Bop: no. disks. |
| 00:07.16 | Bop | ok |
| 00:07.28 | miniCruzer | Thermal paste and a good heat sink / fan cleaning should do the trick? |
| 00:07.40 | Bop | also |
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| 00:07.50 | Tramp | miniCruzer: no. If the memory has errors, you need new hardware |
| 00:08.00 | miniCruzer | Its not only compiling, really |
| 00:08.05 | miniCruzer | Its whenever i'm multitasking |
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| 00:08.26 | Perelli | you just compiling not installing from disc? |
| 00:08.57 | miniCruzer | compiling as in it took me 3 reboots to successfully compile irssi |
| 00:09.08 | miniCruzer | with 15 minute waits in between |
| 00:09.11 | miniCruzer | each boot |
| 00:09.12 | Perelli | hmm k |
| 00:09.14 | Tramp | miniCruzer: I recommend running memtest instead of wasting time with household items |
| 00:09.20 | nsadmin | Alystair: can you run it stand-alone with the redirect, and add : " 2> ~/errs.txt " |
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| 00:09.37 | nsadmin | then see if these transfer msgs still come up |
| 00:09.57 | miniCruzer | memtest? its not a core-utils command is it? |
| 00:10.15 | Perelli | win? |
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| 00:10.25 | miniCruzer | No, this is Debian |
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| 00:10.50 | nsadmin | miniCruzer: no, it's something you boot, similar in structure to a kernel, but it's a memory tester |
| 00:10.58 | miniCruzer | mmm ok |
| 00:11.15 | Tramp | miniCruzer: memtest86+ is an optional package and hooks itself into your bootloader-menu (I think). You run it at boot |
| 00:11.16 | miniCruzer | Hence the iso |
| 00:11.59 | nsadmin | Tramp: you would turn it on in menu.lst (for legacy grup; dunno what to do in grub2) |
| 00:12.05 | Tramp | miniCruzer: but you can also compile/download a small bootdisk with just memtest, now that you now what you have to google for |
| 00:12.19 | miniCruzer | I think i'll just grab it from the repo |
| 00:12.35 | Tramp | nsadmin: on my squeeze-box (with grub2) it was just magically there :) |
| 00:12.45 | Perelli | i need large amount of cash, prefferably in dollars *going prostitute* |
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| 00:12.52 | miniCruzer | I might blow up if I open another terminal |
| 00:13.43 | nsadmin | then it seems like your hardware is failing |
| 00:14.10 | nsadmin | turn power off, make sure things are snug in their slots |
| 00:14.20 | Tramp | .... then run memtest .... |
| 00:14.23 | nsadmin | maybe you'll get lucky |
| 00:14.28 | nsadmin | right |
| 00:14.46 | nsadmin | then run memtest |
| 00:14.52 | nsadmin | or run it before you do that |
| 00:14.57 | nsadmin | and after |
| 00:15.03 | Tramp | :) |
| 00:15.11 | miniCruzer | eh |
| 00:15.32 | miniCruzer | I have to run memtest when it asks me if I want to boot normally or single user? |
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| 00:15.46 | miniCruzer | "c for commandline" "e to edit commands...blahblah" |
| 00:15.53 | nsadmin | if unlucky and memtest shows failure before and after, maybe you'll get lucky and all you have to is replace the ram |
| 00:16.14 | nsadmin | if unlucky, you may need to replace mobo, ram, video |
| 00:16.16 | Tramp | .... which, for a computer from 2003 may not be exactly trivial / cheap |
| 00:16.33 | miniCruzer | There's no way I'm replacing a mobo |
| 00:16.44 | miniCruzer | I'll just sit tight with windows on my other box for a while |
| 00:16.55 | nsadmin | right, if you're going to do that anyway, check compatibility list and then buy -new- hardware |
| 00:17.00 | Tramp | my box is from 2005, and I think those sticks cost a fortune, because they are not made anymore (in quantities) |
| 00:17.16 | miniCruzer | Ah, this is DDR2 |
| 00:17.21 | miniCruzer | DDR1 is a lot |
| 00:17.24 | miniCruzer | of money |
| 00:17.51 | nsadmin | is the video on the mobo, or on a separate card? |
| 00:17.58 | miniCruzer | Not a clue |
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| 00:18.05 | miniCruzer | This is a pos computer |
| 00:18.12 | miniCruzer | intel centrino on it |
| 00:18.16 | nsadmin | point of sale? |
| 00:18.27 | dvs | ha |
| 00:18.35 | miniCruzer | the other one |
| 00:18.58 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 00:19.03 | miniCruzer | If it turns out i need a new mobo then I'm sol with this pos |
| 00:19.06 | nsadmin | pirogi olfactory smells? |
| 00:19.13 | miniCruzer | Yes that one |
| 00:19.26 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make in vsftpd that anonymous users get default to /mypath instead /home/ftp? |
| 00:19.51 | nsadmin | if you need a new mobo, you might as well go for new stuff |
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| 00:20.08 | nsadmin | make sure it's supported by all OSes you intend to run on it |
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| 00:20.24 | miniCruzer | I won't be running anything other than debian based |
| 00:20.28 | nooga | hi |
| 00:20.30 | miniCruzer | to hell with win32 |
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| 00:21.08 | eli_ | I have got a DHCP IP from my ISP and when I type route it promts me my ip address and instead of prompting my gateway it promts * |
| 00:21.13 | eli_ | any clue why it does so? |
| 00:21.13 | nooga | what's the best place to put static ip setup (ifconfig <ip> netmask <netmask>) in startup scripts in debian? |
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| 00:22.00 | miniCruzer | Ok, I'll be back...hopefully :s |
| 00:22.10 | eli_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.18 | vsmatck | nooga: /etc/network/interfaces is the best place. |
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| 00:22.28 | nsadmin | nooga /etc/network/interfaces, where you -describe- your IP, not use commands (man 5 interfaces) |
| 00:22.29 | eli_ | is it possible to have a connection without any gateway? |
| 00:22.41 | Tramp | eli_: not sure what you mean. pastebin "route -n" |
| 00:22.54 | nsadmin | sure, but there will not be any way to get to "rest of internet" |
| 00:23.01 | climber11 | to make PHP be able to write to certain files do i have to make www-data the owner? |
| 00:23.25 | nooga | nsadmin: so what should i set there if i just want static ip and everything other from the dhcp? |
| 00:23.28 | nsadmin | what user is php run as |
| 00:23.42 | climber11 | not sure how do i tell? |
| 00:24.03 | nsadmin | what causes the php to run? |
| 00:24.20 | climber11 | apache2 i suppose |
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| 00:24.26 | eli_ | http://pastebin.com/2eTKvFUq there's my pastebin |
| 00:24.50 | nsadmin | ok, so apache2 is the process, who is apache2 running as? |
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| 00:25.52 | Tramp | eli_: your default-GW is 213.114.144.1 |
| 00:26.00 | Tramp | eli_: now what exactly is your question? |
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| 00:26.34 | nooga | hm? :| |
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| 00:27.29 | eli_ | ok the -n option made the output more interesting, that's for sure |
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| 00:27.44 | climber11 | it is www-data |
| 00:28.03 | Tramp | yw |
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| 00:29.35 | nooga | nsadmin: so what should i set there if i just want static ip and everything other from the dhcp? just iface eth0 inet static and then address 192.168.1.xxx ? |
| 00:30.14 | miniCruzer | So I'm not sure how this compares to memtest86+ but I found in the boot menu "Diagnostics" and its running a 'Pre-boot System Assessment" |
| 00:30.18 | nsadmin | climber11: so, I'm -pretty- sure that apache2 is the process actualy doing the writing, so files/dirs should be owned by www-data and u+w to write them |
| 00:30.27 | miniCruzer | So far everything has passed, but is on the Memory Test section now |
| 00:30.33 | climber11 | in phpinfo() the user is www-data |
| 00:30.41 | miniCruzer | 56% complete w/ memory test, and its going rather slow |
| 00:30.42 | nsadmin | nooga: oh, for that you configure your dhcp client; not sure how to get the IP right |
| 00:30.43 | climber11 | for apache2handler |
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| 00:30.50 | nsadmin | do you run the dhcp server? |
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| 00:31.05 | nooga | nsadmin: the dhcp server is on the router |
| 00:31.13 | Tramp | miniCruzer: what Version of Debian is that? |
| 00:31.18 | miniCruzer | Latest |
| 00:31.26 | miniCruzer | I downloaded and installed today |
| 00:31.31 | nsadmin | nooga: like one of those linksys routers? |
| 00:31.32 | miniCruzer | So, Debian 5.0 |
| 00:31.49 | miniCruzer | This looks like a BIOS thing, though. |
| 00:32.11 | Tramp | ah. Well. That's not what we meant, but maybe it helps |
| 00:32.30 | miniCruzer | Tragic, it passed. |
| 00:32.32 | Tramp | if it doesn't, run memtest. |
| 00:32.34 | Tramp | .... |
| 00:32.52 | miniCruzer | Memtest time |
| 00:33.12 | nsadmin | Tragic Tramp... sounds like a ubuntu version :) |
| 00:33.23 | miniCruzer | :o it does |
| 00:33.32 | Tramp | miniCruzer: memtest is best run overnight with more than one pass |
| 00:33.33 | nooga | nsadmin: yep, linksys, i'm trying to set this up atm |
| 00:33.33 | miniCruzer | I'm doing this from usb device |
| 00:33.45 | Tramp | nsadmin: nah, he said it was some BIOS stuff |
| 00:33.48 | nsadmin | j/k :) |
| 00:33.55 | miniCruzer | This wasn't memtest, it was the Dell crap |
| 00:34.03 | Tramp | yeah, we got that |
| 00:34.10 | miniCruzer | I'm going to give it a good cleaning though |
| 00:34.45 | miniCruzer | Its not been cleaned once since i've owned it, other than blowing compressed air in the 3 vents it has |
| 00:34.53 | nsadmin | nooga, you -could- turn the linksys dhcp off, put a dhcp server on another machine, and have the dhcp serve a static IP when it sees the mac address... |
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| 00:35.22 | sweetpi | doesnt linksys have "static dhcp"? |
| 00:35.31 | nooga | nsadmin: the problem is that i can't do that |
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| 00:36.06 | nsadmin | has removed "can't" from vocabulary... do you mean "don't know how" or "don't want to"? |
| 00:37.04 | nooga | no, i just technically can't modify the network at this place |
| 00:37.23 | nsadmin | oh, it's not yours |
| 00:37.35 | nsadmin | ok... |
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| 00:39.13 | nsadmin | so, what's the purpose of having your internal ip be static? |
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| 00:41.27 | nooga_ | because it's a server |
| 00:42.00 | Metatron | so let it server you an ip address, why do u need static? |
| 00:42.05 | nsadmin | and for example you're not supposed to alter the router or other machines on the net |
| 00:42.46 | nooga_ | because the admin will have to forward several ports on the router |
| 00:42.57 | nsadmin | one way, is to get a dhcp client that can receive its info and write it all to a file |
| 00:42.59 | nooga_ | and he says that he needs ip address |
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| 00:43.50 | nsadmin | so you're helping him set up a server |
| 00:44.58 | nsadmin | here's the challenge: if you ignore the address the dhcp gives you and go with a static IP, the dhcp will not know you're doing that, and might pass the same IP to another machine |
| 00:45.09 | nooga_ | ah |
| 00:45.20 | nooga_ | so i should choose high ip |
| 00:45.31 | nooga_ | that dhcp is unlikely to reach |
| 00:45.34 | nooga_ | i think... |
| 00:45.48 | nsadmin | well then you just made the issue less likely to happen (but not impossible) |
| 00:45.57 | nooga_ | i know :| |
| 00:46.09 | tharkun | nooga_: you should use an ip out of the scope of the dhcp server |
| 00:46.11 | nsadmin | if this is a server, ideally it should not be possible to happen |
| 00:47.38 | tharkun | if it is a home adsl with little conectivity there should likely be no problem if you use any ip address you imagine (within the subnetwork the dhcp serves) |
| 00:48.53 | nooga_ | ok |
| 00:49.24 | nooga_ | so now i have address, netmask and gateway set up in the interfaces file |
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| 00:49.32 | l0de | Hi, I am a debian user |
| 00:49.38 | l0de | I dislike blacks |
| 00:49.41 | nooga_ | under iface eth0 inet static |
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| 00:49.47 | nooga_ | under* |
| 00:49.51 | nooga_ | anything else? |
| 00:49.59 | l0de | hispanics |
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| 00:50.15 | tharkun | you could try it manually first to check that everything is ok |
| 00:50.25 | tharkun | !ops l0de needs escorting out |
| 00:50.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tharkun complains about: l0de needs escorting out |
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| 00:50.49 | l0de | please stop spamming the channel |
| 00:50.55 | dvs | must be Mel Gibson |
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| 00:51.58 | l0de | you sure are intolerant tharkun |
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| 00:52.11 | tharkun | !lart l0de |
| 00:52.11 | dpkg | executes killall -TERM l0de |
| 00:52.13 | l0de | why I barely said two things |
| 00:52.30 | l0de | and here you are executing all kinds of racist commands against me |
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| 00:52.58 | tharkun | I specially like the one about stapling |
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| 00:53.42 | nooga_ | now i need to set up the damned svn :| |
| 00:53.54 | tharkun | nooga_: try git :-) |
| 00:54.00 | nooga_ | yeah :D |
| 00:54.04 | nooga_ | i prefer git |
| 00:54.10 | nooga_ | but they need svn :{ |
| 00:54.22 | tharkun | force feed them :-) |
| 00:54.29 | nooga_ | :D |
| 00:54.31 | tharkun | there is an svn-git module |
| 00:55.03 | nooga_ | the main problem is that there is no git support in NetBeans |
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| 00:55.17 | l0de | !ops please kickban tharkun |
| 00:55.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: l0de complains about: please kickban tharkun |
| 00:55.26 | tharkun | oh you are screwed, you will have to set up svn |
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| 00:56.30 | nooga_ | setting up git is not a problem, but hell, i'm just a simple programmer, I don't know how to admin svn server :F |
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| 00:57.52 | tharkun | nooga_: if you can set it up you can allways ask someone else to admin it :-) |
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| 00:58.23 | nooga_ | :P |
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| 00:58.44 | nooga_ | heh, it appears to be set up but i can't import anything |
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| 00:59.04 | tharkun | doesn't know how svn works |
| 00:59.15 | nooga_ | me netiher |
| 00:59.19 | nooga_ | ;| |
| 00:59.21 | l0de | !ops help my linux doesnt work |
| 00:59.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: l0de complains about: help my linux doesnt work |
| 00:59.24 | nooga_ | &*#(&##(&@ |
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| 01:00.36 | tharkun | Thx |
| 01:00.53 | nooga_ | ah |
| 01:01.26 | tharkun | nooga_: good luck on your affair with svn :-) |
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| 01:02.16 | nooga_ | how to check what ports i listen on? |
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| 01:02.26 | dondelelcaro | nooga_: netstat -plunt; |
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| 01:08.57 | nooga_ | where should i put svnserve -d command? /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
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| 01:15.45 | simonrvn | only symlinks go in there |
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| 01:25.43 | nooga_ | then how do i automatically start a service such as svn daemon in debian? |
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| 01:32.41 | peterrooney | nooga_: with stable, (i) check what your debconf priority is, "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" set question priority threshold to 'low' just to be sure. (ii) install the package. |
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| 01:36.15 | nooga_ | peterrooney: but i've already got svnserve, it just does not start when the system stands up |
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| 01:36.34 | Bambi_BOFH | hi debian :) |
| 01:36.53 | Bambi_BOFH | are etch cds still around somewhere? someones just asked me, and i can't find cd images on archive.d.o |
| 01:37.11 | peterrooney | nooga_: and, if you're rolling your own, put the startup script in /etc/init.d ; put a symlink for it in /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 01:37.46 | nooga_ | ahm, ok |
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| 01:38.29 | sweetpi | Bambi_BOFH: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
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| 01:39.57 | Bambi_BOFH | sweetpi: blink. thanks! i had simply assumed it wouldn't still be on www. :$ |
| 01:41.29 | dylan_hrayka | why does debian come with 5 dvd were as most distros only come with 1 cd? |
| 01:41.39 | sweetpi | Bambi_BOFH: np :) |
| 01:42.11 | vsmatck | dylan_hrayka: The DVDs contain all the software you'd normally download. The first DVD contains the installer for debian itself. |
| 01:42.19 | mguy | dylan_hrayka: there are a lot of packages included. You can install with just the first CD/DVD, or even the smaller netinstall image |
| 01:42.31 | vsmatck | dylan_hrayka: You can do a net install off a 130mB ISO which downloads about one gB of stuff. |
| 01:42.32 | dylan_hrayka | ahk thanx |
| 01:42.46 | mguy | dylan_hrayka: Anything not on the CD/DVD you use will just get downloaded from the mirrors |
| 01:42.54 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: And that's the recommened way because you don't download what you don't need. |
| 01:43.06 | dylan_hrayka | aha |
| 01:43.50 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: See also the apt-cacher and similar packages if you've more than 1 debian box. It's much simpler and often better than a local mirror. |
| 01:44.15 | dylan_hrayka | ah ok |
| 01:44.41 | dylan_hrayka | is still trying to work out what distro to get |
| 01:45.13 | mguy | dylan_hrayka: Give it a shot. You can always erase your HD and try another. |
| 01:45.22 | dylan_hrayka | yeah |
| 01:45.43 | dylan_hrayka | i do like the idea of geting all the pakages at once ;) |
| 01:45.55 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: I like debian stable because, although old, it just works and I never have to mess with it. And the great thing about debian is that it upgrades to the next release without re-install. Pretty much forever. |
| 01:46.15 | mguy | I would suggest using 'testing', since it contains much newer software. Some hardware you may need to get firmware or other things if they are non-fre |
| 01:46.24 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: Debian also has lots of packages so you don't have to do your own system's integration and make sure everything keeps working together. |
| 01:46.36 | karlpinc | !bpo |
| 01:46.36 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 01:46.44 | dylan_hrayka | ubuntu is built on debain isnt it? |
| 01:46.51 | cthuluh | it is |
| 01:46.55 | mguy | dylan_hrayka: Sort of |
| 01:47.06 | nooga_ | it's different |
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| 01:47.10 | karlpinc | backports.org has newer packages that can be installed on debian stable. |
| 01:47.24 | karlpinc | Tell dylan_hrayka about sns |
| 01:47.25 | dylan_hrayka | ahk |
| 01:47.33 | karlpinc | !tell dylan_hrayka about sns |
| 01:47.48 | nooga_ | !tell nooga about sns |
| 01:47.58 | dylan_hrayka | lol |
| 01:47.59 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: But many are very happy with testing, which is generally considered more stable than most distros. |
| 01:48.09 | cthuluh | ubuntu is a mix of debian testing and "canonical experience" |
| 01:48.12 | dylan_hrayka | aha |
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| 01:48.25 | nooga_ | heh |
| 01:48.46 | karlpinc | has a problem with ubuntu because it's ill-defined. I.e. Dell sells "ubuntu" that's not what you download and won't necessarly upgrade. |
| 01:48.51 | sweetpi | ubuntu is based on sid, not testing right? |
| 01:48.54 | nooga_ | tbh i use ubuntu every day and when i come to debian i feel like a little kid |
| 01:49.17 | cthuluh | sweetpi: it is supposed to be based on testing. things may have changed |
| 01:49.19 | Nwallins | running testing, apt-spy is segfaulting and dumping assertions with some option combinations |
| 01:49.21 | mguy | The philosophy behind Ubuntu is different, as is the approach to what gets included |
| 01:49.30 | karlpinc | nooga_: Is it because we like the command line? (So we can easily tell you what to do and give you support?) |
| 01:49.33 | Nwallins | apt-spy -v #Segmentation fault |
| 01:49.56 | dylan_hrayka | can debian use kde x? |
| 01:50.08 | nooga_ | karlpinc: oh, i use command line all the time, even under OSX |
| 01:50.16 | karlpinc | Nwallins: You might check the bug tracking system and see if there's a work-around. (Otherwise report it. :-) |
| 01:50.16 | mguy | You can use KDE, GNOME, Xfce, Flux, whatever |
| 01:50.24 | dylan_hrayka | kool |
| 01:50.45 | cthuluh | i'd rather say that kde uses debian, but.. :) |
| 01:50.46 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: I believe that debian has more packages than any other distro. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 01:51.00 | mguy | karlpinc: they're up to what, 30,000? |
| 01:51.10 | moldovean | 25000 |
| 01:51.14 | nooga_ | i thought that ubuntu has more packages than debian |
| 01:51.35 | mguy | It doesn'tr eally matter because you only use how many? |
| 01:51.41 | nooga_ | hence ppa |
| 01:51.45 | dylan_hrayka | whats debains suport for amd 64 bit prossesrs? |
| 01:51.51 | dylan_hrayka | like |
| 01:51.54 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: However, debian does want you to install such packages, and/or enable non-free stuff, and/or get packages from debian-multimedia.org to support "illegal" codecs, etc. |
| 01:52.03 | mguy | dylan_hrayka: The same as any other distro. |
| 01:52.04 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: Many other distros are "fat". |
| 01:52.25 | nooga_ | i love how debian runs on Pentium III with 256MB RAM |
| 01:52.25 | craigevil | with dmm its over 30k packages |
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| 01:52.38 | nooga_ | faster than anything i saw on c2d :D |
| 01:52.40 | Nwallins | karlpinc: do you know a good way to find a fast mirror, in the meantime? |
| 01:52.40 | miniCruzer | So I figured out the problem |
| 01:52.48 | miniCruzer | Or at least part of it |
| 01:52.55 | dylan_hrayka | so how do u meenm "fat" |
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| 01:53.10 | karlpinc | Nwallins: No. I poke it with a stick. And haven't touched things in a long time. Sorry. |
| 01:53.13 | miniCruzer | I opened up the laptop, and found that the fan was not proplerly soldered to the motherboard |
| 01:53.34 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: They install _lots_. With debian I've installed lenny on a machine with 48MB of ram and <1G disk. |
| 01:53.50 | dylan_hrayka | lol ok |
| 01:54.10 | mguy | karlpinc: I feel your pain |
| 01:54.11 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: (Don't do this at home folks, trained professionals only. ;-) |
| 01:54.19 | craigevil | Nwallins: use netselect-apt |
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| 01:54.44 | karlpinc | dylan_hrayka: But, it did run X (lxde). |
| 01:54.54 | Nwallins | craigevil: checking, thx. i already selected ftp-mirror.internap.com (netinst) and it is timeing out :/ |
| 01:54.55 | dylan_hrayka | ahk |
| 01:55.14 | Longhorn|XP | anyone know where i could find chromium for Debian Lenny? |
| 01:55.38 | moldovean | google |
| 01:55.38 | dylan_hrayka | is just a humble linuxnoob looking to go to uni next yr for computer science |
| 01:55.48 | karlpinc | Longhorn|XP: "aptitude install chromium"? |
| 01:56.03 | Longhorn|XP | eh. chromium browser to be more specific. |
| 01:56.11 | craigevil | Longhorn|XP: its only in sid, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 01:56.17 | Longhorn|XP | it isn't in the repos in 5.0 |
| 01:56.26 | karlpinc | ,versions chromium |
| 01:56.28 | Longhorn|XP | ok. |
| 01:56.29 | judd | chromium -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; sid: 0.9.14.1-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-1 |
| 01:56.31 | Nwallins | craigevil: ah, netselect-apt works much better than apt-spy :) |
| 01:56.47 | karlpinc | Shucks. Wrong package. :P |
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| 01:57.00 | moldovean | chromium - fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter |
| 01:58.55 | karlpinc | Nwallins: Learning to use debtags is helpful in such cases. |
| 02:00.07 | craigevil | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 02:00.09 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.99~r51029-3 |
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| 02:13.48 | eyzn | hey there, id like to do sth like --- ln -s /path/to/(*)/pics/pic.png $1.png --- is this possible without a script? |
| 02:15.15 | pcc1 | I'm doing an aptitude dist-upgrade and got a message "Unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system". is it safe to stick with the legacy boot system and ignore this message? |
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| 02:16.56 | civillian | eyzn, well sure |
| 02:17.04 | eyzn | i will need awk isnt it? |
| 02:17.12 | civillian | no, probably not |
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| 02:17.28 | eyzn | hm, at least any form of variable |
| 02:18.31 | civillian | cd /path/to/symlink/dir; find /path/to/png/files -type f | while read line; do b=$(basename "$line"); ln -s "$line" "$b"; done |
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| 02:19.21 | Tramp | the tricky part is the "(*)-$1" stuff he tries to do |
| 02:20.31 | Tramp | I'd do it with "for dir in /path/to/*/"; do ....; done - isolate the "dir", mkdir and so on. You get it. |
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| 02:24.53 | craigevil | what kernel is squeeze going to release with? |
| 02:24.59 | eyzn | right, im on the LDP-guide right now - will spend some time on that instead of scripting it :P |
| 02:25.24 | craigevil | pcc1: whats the entire error message? |
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| 02:25.26 | Nwallins | anyone have suggestions for a mirror on US east coast? Verizon ISP. with other ISPs, debian.uchicago.edu and ftp-mirror.internap.com have been good |
| 02:25.52 | tharkun | craigevil: at this pace it will be like 2.6.40 :-) |
| 02:25.54 | Tramp | eyzn: no. Stay away from the ABS, if that's, what you mean |
| 02:26.06 | Tramp | eyzn: check the ressources in the /topic of #bash |
| 02:26.20 | Tramp | eyzn: ( shopt -s nullglob; for dir in /usr/*/; do d=${dir%/}; d=${d##*/}; for file in $dir*.png; do n=$(basename "$f"); echo ln -s "$file" /dir/with/links/"$d"/"$n"; done; done ) - that's what I'd start with |
| 02:26.25 | eyzn | Tramp: ty for the hint! |
| 02:27.15 | craigevil | Nwallins: debian.uchicago.edu works well here, might help that its only 70 or so miles away |
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| 02:28.04 | pcc1 | craigevil: http://www.pcc.me.uk/~peter/tmp/boot-system-error.txt |
| 02:29.29 | Nwallins | using uchicago now, seems decent enough :) |
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| 02:30.08 | lrcaballero | hello! everyone, can someone direct me to were I can download Squeeze Alpha 1 ISO, because the one I download from http://live.debian.net/ would not aloud me to install Squeeze. And Squeeze happens to recognize ALL of my hardware. Thank you. |
| 02:30.09 | pcc1 | some of the scripts it is complaining about are in the initscripts package which hasn't been upgraded yet |
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| 02:31.09 | pcc1 | I'm thinking run the dpkg-reconfigure command after dist-upgrade finishes |
| 02:31.22 | dondelelcaro | lrcaballero: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 02:31.41 | craigevil | pcc1: use a paste site |
| 02:31.57 | lrcaballero | dondelelcaro: Thank you! |
| 02:32.23 | pcc1 | craigevil: I'm at a text console. I need to upgrade to get X working again. that will be quite difficult I'm afraid |
| 02:32.38 | craigevil | !pastebinit |
| 02:32.38 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728). |
| 02:32.56 | dondelelcaro | lrcaballero: you could have found that link for yourself from http://www.debian.org/CD/, btw. |
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| 02:34.43 | lrcaballero | dondelelcaro: I did, but for some reason it gives me an error on torrent and it won't download them!!! have no clue why, do you? |
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| 02:35.04 | dondelelcaro | lrcaballero: you can just download the images directly; you don't need to use a torrent |
| 02:35.18 | craigevil | pcc1: check the BTS, if nothing else try stopping some of the problem services |
| 02:35.23 | dondelelcaro | (that server should be able to saturate any normal link) |
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| 02:35.51 | lrcaballero | dondelelcaro: ok, thank you for your observation. |
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| 02:37.26 | pcc1 | craigevil: http://yourpaste.net/5759 |
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| 02:40.16 | craigevil | pcc1: does dist-upgrade finish? |
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| 02:41.21 | pcc1 | craigevil: I haven't hit ok yet. I didn't know if it was safe to do that without doing anything else |
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| 02:41.53 | craigevil | pcc1: its probably going to fail, not going to hurt anything to try |
| 02:42.16 | pcc1 | ok. |
| 02:43.31 | pcc1 | dist-upgrade is continuing. |
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| 02:44.24 | zebradog | dissss upgrades |
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| 03:15.51 | remixboy18 | hi |
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| 03:23.27 | phek | is there a better way to list installed packages other than `dpkg -l` (that doesn't seem to list that apache2 is installed because apache2-mpm-prefork provides apache2) |
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| 03:25.16 | moldovean | aptitude show ~i |
| 03:27.36 | phek | is there a way to get that to show all packages instead of just the specified one? |
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| 03:31.17 | craigevil | dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 03:31.17 | dpkg | ii | grep apache 3.6-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 03:32.47 | phek | doesn't list it for me. for me it lists: apache2-doc,apache2-mpm-prefork,apache2-utils,apache2.2-common,libapache2-mod-perl2,libapache2-mod-php5,libapache2-mod-python |
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| 03:35.25 | phek | and now i see that moldovean said a tilde not a dash, but that still isn't listing apache2 for some reason |
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| 03:36.38 | dondelelcaro | phek: provided packages aren't installed |
| 03:36.43 | dondelelcaro | phek: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 03:38.33 | phek | dondelelcaro, i'm working on a utility that grabs the installed packages so it can verify the security of machines, but debian packages are kinda being a pain because the naming scheme seems to vary |
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| 03:39.09 | phek | but basically i need it to find the package version of "apache2" because thats what the DSA releases them as |
| 03:39.25 | phek | (them being the related packages) |
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| 03:39.55 | dondelelcaro | phek: the DSA is talking about the source package |
| 03:39.58 | dondelelcaro | phek: not the binary package |
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| 03:40.48 | dondelelcaro | phek: this is what you're looking for: aptitude search '~i?source-package(apache2)'; or similar |
| 03:41.50 | dondelelcaro | phek: but all of that said, what you really want is cron-apt or similar, which does this all for you |
| 03:42.08 | dondelelcaro | (and you can easily couple that with a nagios rule to tell you if there are pending security updates) |
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| 03:44.15 | phek | dondelelcaro, if i had the client machines were my own that would be no problem, i've just gotta figure out the most basic way to get it which will get it on most debian installs |
| 03:44.31 | phek | errr remove the "i had the" part |
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| 03:46.06 | dondelelcaro | phek: well, the most basic way is to just ask apt-get or aptitude if it has pending installs after running aptitude update; or similar |
| 03:47.06 | dondelelcaro | phek: figuring out whether there are pending security updates is basically a solved problem |
| 03:48.58 | moldovean | phek, apache2 -is a metapackage |
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| 03:56.37 | phek | yeah, i get it. i'm just working with a bunch of existing code and am doing my best not to have to completely redesign how it's grabbing packages from debian |
| 03:57.15 | phek | that being said though i'm guessing there's a lot of packages its not quite getting right |
| 03:57.36 | dondelelcaro | phek: yeah, sounds like it needs to be totally redesigned; someone who didn't understand debian did it. |
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| 04:04.12 | phek | alright well thanks for the help |
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| 04:34.03 | Black_Phantom | Debian BSD have apt ? |
| 04:34.09 | Black_Phantom | hello first |
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| 04:37.18 | dondelelcaro | Black_Phantom: yes, debian GNU/kFreeBSD does |
| 04:37.52 | Black_Phantom | I see, so its nearly a clone of the original Debian but with the FreeBSD kernel ? |
| 04:38.09 | dondelelcaro | basically, yes |
| 04:38.19 | Black_Phantom | alright |
| 04:38.23 | Black_Phantom | thank you |
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| 04:50.50 | TPC | hello, I have a problem with X and my gamepad |
| 04:51.14 | TPC | it works fine in games, but X doesn't see presses on the gamepad buttons as input or something, so it will blank the screen after 10 minutes even tought I'm actively using it |
| 04:51.51 | TPC | is there a way to fix this, or should I just turn off screen blanking? |
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| 04:58.44 | Backup | is there a way to recover initrd? |
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| 04:59.02 | Backup | i kinda removed it. and now i cant boot that kernel from grub2 |
| 05:02.54 | LaidBack_01 | yeah, you'll need to boot the machine with a recovery disk |
| 05:03.10 | jmarsden | thinks... given your nick, I'd think you would restore it from Backup :) |
| 05:03.19 | LaidBack_01 | chroot to the install, and then rebuild your initrd if you built it by hand, or reinstall it if you used apt... |
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| 05:04.26 | Backup | jmarsden: i knew some one would say that :P |
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| 05:13.26 | spersaud | how come my update manager is always saying the update manager info is out of date ? |
| 05:13.30 | alcy | folks, I can't remember if installing a new kernel image gets rid of the previous one ? they both (or whatever number) show up at the grub screen right ? |
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| 05:13.49 | spersaud | it doesnt do this on another install |
| 05:14.03 | spersaud | anyone know whats causing this ? I think I have all the parts installed |
| 05:14.15 | nsadmin | remember... NEVER backup when there's a cliff behind you... |
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| 05:14.44 | craigevil | alcy: correct |
| 05:15.29 | spersaud | I have update-manager and update-notifier installed |
| 05:15.38 | alcy | craigevil: ah right, thanks. |
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| 05:16.20 | spersaud | this warning sign doesnt dissapear until I do an aptitude update and aptitude upgrade manually |
| 05:16.31 | spersaud | its kind of annoying |
| 05:16.48 | craigevil | spersaud: save yourself the headaches get rid of update-manager/notifier |
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| 05:18.49 | spersaud | craigevil: hehe, how can I set a cronjob to do this ? |
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| 05:19.06 | spersaud | I mean to run it as root aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
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| 05:19.50 | craigevil | spersaud: cron-apt, does aptitude update, and it can download updates, but you would still have to run aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade to install the updates |
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| 05:20.59 | spersaud | ohh ok |
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| 05:21.30 | craigevil | spersaud: you could also try unattended-upgrades |
| 05:22.48 | spersaud | craigevil: nah thats ok, I will just do it manually, I think its fun to do anyway |
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| 05:35.15 | nicklss1 | the 2nd one fails with RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 05:35.21 | nicklss1 | any idea what i am doing wrong here? |
| 05:35.52 | nicklss1 | Hi - is anyone around? |
| 05:36.21 | simonrvn | i'm more of a stick than round :P |
| 05:36.34 | nicklss1 | :-) |
| 05:36.45 | nicklss1 | simonrvn - you an iptables/iproute expert? |
| 05:37.01 | nicklss1 | i am getting stuck with load balancing using iptables |
| 05:37.03 | simonrvn | maybe the interface isn't up yet when you do whatever you're doing (i have no idea what you're doing) |
| 05:37.14 | simonrvn | no expert no |
| 05:37.22 | nicklss1 | ifconfig eth1 |
| 05:37.28 | nicklss1 | says that the interface is up |
| 05:37.56 | simonrvn | check the syslog, dmesg after it's brought up? |
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| 05:43.19 | Adola | Hi! How can I find out which apps are using my sound card? |
| 05:43.21 | Adola | (ALSA) |
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| 05:46.25 | jelly-hme | patience is overrated |
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| 05:49.13 | simonrvn | tell that to my elders ;) |
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| 05:49.56 | fabian | someone may rem. last night i was having issue getting squeeze weekly to detect my PATA IDE, i tried the alpha installer and it works |
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| 06:05.04 | Goten | ? |
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| 06:58.12 | RCP | How do I fix this |
| 06:58.13 | RCP | Jul 13 22:00:38 redfire syslog-ng[3176]: Error opening file for writing; filename='/dev/xconsole', error='No such file or directory (2)' |
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| 07:00.22 | nsadmin | RCP, by first gathering all the information about it and evaluating to determine why it's happening |
| 07:01.10 | RCP | ohh crap |
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| 07:01.31 | RCP | this is the debian channel not gentoo... ohh hate gentoo boxes |
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| 07:02.23 | nsadmin | I suspect that if you ask the question the same way there, they'll tell you about the same thing... |
| 07:03.06 | RCP | well nsadmin it shows up in Received From: redfire->/var/log/syslog |
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| 07:03.42 | nsadmin | if the reason for that is challenging you, it's because you haven't provided much information, like what you were doing when the error happened |
| 07:03.58 | RCP | nsadmin not a thing |
| 07:04.06 | RCP | I show up every min |
| 07:04.07 | RCP | :/ |
| 07:04.21 | RCP | no cron jobs are set up |
| 07:04.26 | RCP | so it not crons |
| 07:04.26 | RCP | :/ |
| 07:04.38 | nsadmin | you do?! and you're invisible the other 59 secs?? |
| 07:04.49 | RCP | ? |
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| 07:05.12 | nsadmin | you said you show up every min |
| 07:05.14 | jelly-hme | !spank nsadmin |
| 07:05.15 | dpkg | bends nsadmin over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 07:05.17 | RCP | yeah |
| 07:05.24 | RCP | I tailf the log file |
| 07:05.32 | RCP | tailf /var/log/syslog |
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| 07:06.27 | nsadmin | maybe something wants to send something to xconsole, and it doesn't exist right now, so it's either that xconsole is missing or something is misconfigured |
| 07:07.03 | jelly-hme | /dev/xconsole named pipe ought to be created in syslog's init script if nonexistent |
| 07:07.50 | jelly-hme | grep xconsole /etc/init.d/* |
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| 07:08.33 | jelly-hme | RCP: try merely restarting syslog-ng |
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| 07:09.37 | zcat[1] | is there any way to change the login theme in 10.04 ? |
| 07:09.47 | dondelelcaro | zcat[1]: you want to ask #ubuntu |
| 07:09.55 | zcat[1] | Oh, oops... |
| 07:10.03 | nsadmin | it's way after 10:04... |
| 07:10.11 | dodder | not here! |
| 07:10.57 | zcat[1] | It's only 7:10 here... |
| 07:11.05 | jelly-hme | zcat[1]: you need to upgrade |
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| 07:13.48 | RCP | jelly-hme still not working |
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| 07:14.01 | RCP | jelly-hme Missing your o again? |
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| 07:14.58 | nsadmin | watch logs while you restart it |
| 07:15.12 | RCP | :Pk |
| 07:15.16 | RCP | k* |
| 07:15.23 | jelly-home | (thanks) |
| 07:16.08 | RCP | nsadmin jelly-home http://pastebin.com/t86abA4b |
| 07:16.09 | RCP | ;/ |
| 07:16.14 | jelly-home | RCP: it's possible the init script is slightly buggy, or the /dev/xconsole pipe exists but the error is caused by something else |
| 07:16.35 | RCP | hmm |
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| 07:16.43 | nsadmin | does something have to be listening at the pipe when something else talks in it? |
| 07:16.45 | RCP | Well Im thinking of reinstalling the box |
| 07:16.52 | jelly-home | nsadmin: nope |
| 07:17.00 | RCP | I hate gentoo |
| 07:17.06 | RCP | <3 Deb |
| 07:17.07 | RCP | D: |
| 07:17.09 | RCP | opps |
| 07:17.13 | RCP | :D** |
| 07:17.48 | jelly-home | RCP: wait, is this not a debian system? |
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| 07:18.03 | jelly-home | ,versions syslog-ng |
| 07:18.04 | judd | syslog-ng -- etch: 2.0.0-1etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0-1etch1; etch-backports: 2.0.6-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.0.9-4.1; lenny-backports: 3.1.1-3~bpo50+1; sid: 3.1.1-3; squeeze: 3.1.1-3 |
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| 07:18.25 | RCP | jelly-home nope |
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| 07:18.34 | RCP | I was thinking it was |
| 07:18.45 | RCP | I change all server from gentoo to deb |
| 07:18.56 | RCP | and forgot this was still gentoo |
| 07:18.57 | RCP | :/ |
| 07:19.12 | jelly-home | oh well |
| 07:19.30 | RCP | But Cause emerge sucks Im going to move to debian |
| 07:19.32 | jelly-home | you could have warned us when you figured that out |
| 07:20.11 | RCP | [00:01] <RCP> this is the debian channel not gentoo... ohh hate gentoo boxes |
| 07:20.15 | RCP | I kinda did |
| 07:20.16 | RCP | :/ |
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| 07:20.56 | jelly-home | ah, I must be mentally filtering out any lines mentioning gentoo! |
| 07:21.03 | RCP | lol |
| 07:21.07 | RCP | Well this is debian |
| 07:21.19 | RCP | ever the less still linux |
| 07:21.42 | jelly-home | with different init scripts |
| 07:21.51 | RCP | true |
| 07:22.15 | jelly-home | so, ask in the proper place to get proper help |
| 07:23.06 | RCP | jelly-home heh after I rsync with other server and change dns heh Im install debian |
| 07:23.11 | jelly-home | in return I'll try to read all of the /lastlog |
| 07:24.50 | jelly-home | in any case that particular line will go away when you recreate /dev/xconsole with correct permissions |
| 07:25.08 | RCP | so touch? |
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| 07:26.01 | jelly-home | no, it's a named pipe, not a regular file, and the permissions may vary slightly across the distros so figure out how gentoo does it |
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| 07:26.24 | RCP | jelly-home Can I kiss you? |
| 07:26.29 | RCP | lol |
| 07:26.39 | RCP | I dont know why I did not think of touching it |
| 07:26.54 | jelly-home | because that would be the wrong thing to do ;-) |
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| 07:27.14 | RCP | how so? |
| 07:27.21 | RCP | It made the file |
| 07:27.33 | jelly-home | touch creates a normal file, and it should be a named pipe instead |
| 07:27.43 | RCP | hmm |
| 07:28.22 | ethanol | morning people |
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| 07:28.33 | jelly-home | RCP: grep dev/xconsole /etc/init.d/* on one of your debian systems to see what's done there |
| 07:28.46 | RCP | ok |
| 07:29.15 | jelly-home | RCP: it'll involve mknod or mkfifo |
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| 07:29.32 | vbforbegginers | hi |
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| 07:30.35 | RCP | Thanks jelly-home |
| 07:30.53 | vbforbegginers | what is this place |
| 07:31.11 | jelly-home | !welcome vbforbegginers |
| 07:31.11 | RCP | A help/support channel for Debian linux |
| 07:31.17 | jelly-home | hmph. |
| 07:31.20 | dcbevins | vbforbegginers the welcome message xplains |
| 07:31.20 | jelly-home | !welcome |
| 07:31.20 | dpkg | Thank you, jelly-home. |
| 07:31.27 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck |
| 07:31.27 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 07:31.35 | vbforbegginers | im on windows |
| 07:32.06 | jelly-home | vbforbegginers: you probably don't require the help of this help support channel yet, then |
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| 07:32.13 | dcbevins | happens to alot of people, (being on windows) someone said there are more windows machines that cars in the world, but we talk debian in here |
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| 07:32.36 | vbforbegginers | oh how did you get 952 users |
| 07:32.58 | dcbevins | debian is popular in the linux world |
| 07:32.58 | vbforbegginers | its the biggest channel in the whole entire network |
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| 07:33.24 | dcbevins | dozens of other distorbutions of linux are based on debian |
| 07:33.32 | jelly-home | vbforbegginers: and this channel is not meant of the discussion of this channel either, sorry. Try #defocus channel for chat |
| 07:34.11 | dcbevins | go download debian and try it, just need a blank cd, wont change a thing on your system, then come back |
| 07:34.31 | comradekingu | Or a spare usb drive |
| 07:34.32 | vbforbegginers | oh okay |
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| 07:34.38 | jelly-home | vbforbegginers: we like our discussions neatly separated into specific boxes, each in one separate irc channel |
| 07:34.43 | Anonissimus | should have suggested grml |
| 07:34.44 | salahuddin66 | Debian have less post in forums because it simply works. |
| 07:35.01 | Anonissimus | salahuddin66: ever seen an ibm unix forum? |
| 07:35.07 | jelly-home | salahuddin66: except when it doesn't |
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| 07:35.36 | RCP | Its funny Ubuntu runs on debian yet this room is #2 |
| 07:35.38 | RCP | hmm |
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| 07:36.23 | dcbevins | one thing id wish from debina is that the stable repos were more like testing, and testing less like unstable |
| 07:36.36 | salahuddin66 | Anonissimus: no i did not |
| 07:36.45 | alcy | Folks, I updated the kernel image from 2.6.28 to 2.6.32, and although debconf told me it will be modifying fstab/UUIDs/labels accordingly (which it probably did), I am getting kernel panic. |
| 07:36.46 | jelly-home | RCP: it's funny that ##linux doesn't have 4000 users then! |
| 07:36.47 | dcbevins | uGGuntu is at least better in that regard |
| 07:37.20 | dondelelcaro | alcy: it modified in in /etc/fstab, but it may not have been modified in /boot/grub/menu.lst or whatever you're using |
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| 07:37.36 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: heh, that'd be silly |
| 07:37.43 | RCP | jelly-home #debian-offtopic :F |
| 07:37.59 | Anonissimus | salahuddin66: then that must work even better |
| 07:39.04 | alcy | The previous image (2.6.28) also gives kernel panic, but that's taken care of if I change the root=/dev/sda1(instead of a label). So, IIRC there were some changes in naming conventions right ? I wonder if that has got anything to do with this, but I'll have a look at the menu.lst |
| 07:39.08 | salahuddin66 | Anonissimus: no that. I have used many linux distro and most of their forum have many post comapted with debian. Initially its hard to understand we have a large number of user. |
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| 07:42.41 | emc | hi, ... what could be a reason i can't set the date/time with the date command? |
| 07:42.44 | emc | # date --set 09:42:00; date |
| 07:42.44 | emc | Wed Jul 14 09:42:00 CEST 2010 |
| 07:42.44 | emc | Wed Jul 14 10:24:16 CEST 2010 |
| 07:43.05 | jelly-home | emc: is this a real machine or a virtual one? |
| 07:43.08 | alcy | I should probably update grub to grub2 as well |
| 07:43.08 | emc | virtual |
| 07:43.14 | jelly-home | emc: there's your reason. |
| 07:43.32 | emc | jelly-home: ah ... does it mean the virutal machine is off time? |
| 07:43.32 | jelly-home | emc: fix the clock on the host |
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| 07:43.48 | emc | jelly-home: okay... will write an e-mail to the provider. thanks! |
| 07:44.15 | jelly-home | inform them about the existence of NTP servers <g> |
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| 07:50.06 | emc | jelly-home: hehe ... i will :) |
| 07:50.12 | emc | jelly-home: thanks! |
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| 07:51.46 | dylan_hrayka | say i got the full debian live dvd pack would i be able to use the packages in other deb based distros? |
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| 07:54.10 | salahuddin66 | dylan_hrayka: you can use but it is not recommended. It will make the system unstable. You will find ubuntu using suffix ubuntu. |
| 07:54.10 | iceroot | dylan_hrayka: sometimes |
| 07:54.29 | TimStarling | what happens if you have a package in two different distro versions, and the source hasn't been updated so it has the same version, but you need to recompile it? |
| 07:54.30 | dylan_hrayka | ahk |
| 07:54.53 | TimStarling | to take account of new system headers or whatever |
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| 07:56.46 | TimStarling | do you just bump the revision number? |
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| 08:19.39 | Shadur | God dammit I hate Joomla and all the idiots that insist on using it, refuse to update it, and then six months later get all indignant when you inform them that someone broke into their site, stole their login data and used it to set up a spam relay so you shut their site down... |
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| 08:22.19 | dcbevins | im sorta ambivalent about joomla, and drupal, e107 at least has a fair native forum built in |
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| 08:29.39 | TechMiX | hi all! having problem with madwimax and my usb modem, any experience here? |
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| 08:33.20 | Ahri | is mod-ssl in the default apache installation? |
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| 08:33.27 | Shadur | dcbevins: I haven't heard much about drupal, which I consider a positive sign as I only tend to get called in when something broke very badly. |
| 08:33.39 | nicklss | hi - i am trying to do load balancing using iptables |
| 08:33.42 | Shadur | Ahri: I believe so, yes. You do need to enable it with a2enmod and configure it properly. |
| 08:33.45 | nicklss | and facing some issues |
| 08:33.50 | nicklss | anyone here who can help? |
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| 08:34.10 | Ahri | Shadur: ah yes, thanks for reminding me of that! |
| 08:34.14 | nicklss | I followed all the instructions here -> http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-Networking-EN-Iptables-and-netfilter-load-balancing-using-connmark |
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| 08:34.48 | nicklss | however, everything still goes through whatever is the first default mentioned in ip route list |
| 08:35.47 | nicklss | if eth0 is the first default mentioned in output of "ip list show" everthing goes through eth0 |
| 08:35.52 | nicklss | otherwise through eth1 |
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| 08:41.31 | nicklss | hi any iptables expert here? |
| 08:41.44 | nicklss | i am facing an issue with load balancing |
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| 08:43.50 | jelly | nicklss: try #iptables or #netfilter |
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| 08:59.33 | mcgreg | if you should rate debian distribution with a number from 1 - 10 (with 1 == totally easy and 10 very hard/demanding) - what would debian be in your opinion? I am trying to the "perfect" distrubution for somebody with almost no linux experience (windows experience) |
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| 09:00.13 | ksk | whats easy? |
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| 09:00.22 | ksk | easy to install? easy to set up a server with blafoo? |
| 09:00.47 | mcgreg | hmm well, using and install - I'd say. though with installing I can mostly help. |
| 09:00.54 | mcgreg | using as desktop computer |
| 09:00.56 | dcbevins | well rating depends on what needs you have, slow machine? media center? server? but if your just want something that is famailar like Windows, then ubuntu or something with kde, |
| 09:01.28 | mcgreg | hmm well, I really dont want ubuntu :) my experience with that isnt the best |
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| 09:03.13 | dcbevins | so you have more than almost no linux experience then |
| 09:03.42 | mcgreg | sure. I only have been using 7 years debian now and have no linux experience :) |
| 09:04.01 | dcbevins | your just confusing me now |
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| 09:04.39 | dcbevins | you are dressed as a linux newbie noob, but your actualy a vetran debianer |
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| 09:05.19 | nsadmin | wrong |
| 09:05.28 | BergiSI | dcbevins, that's debatable |
| 09:05.35 | BergiSI | my mum has been using debian for 5 years now |
| 09:05.36 | dcbevins | isnt everything |
| 09:05.40 | BergiSI | and still thinks it's windows |
| 09:05.46 | nsadmin | if you have been using debian 7 years, you have 7 years of unix experience |
| 09:06.07 | dcbevins | its got a windows manger, its got windows |
| 09:06.07 | jelly | nstuff: lies! |
| 09:06.14 | Vroomfondle | linux experience |
| 09:06.22 | ootput | not if point-click is the limit of your interaction with the machine |
| 09:06.30 | nsadmin | so he has experience with the kernel? |
| 09:06.31 | jelly | nsadmin: lies, linux is not unix :> |
| 09:07.11 | dcbevins | depends on your yardstick, if you can operate a linux machine with point and click and are productive, in some circles thats experience |
| 09:07.18 | nsadmin | anyway, you see the point,,, no need to circularize it |
| 09:07.33 | jelly | just don't blindly use killall on a real unix. |
| 09:07.34 | mcgreg | well - I didnt want to start a great discussion about my linux/kernel experience ;) my point was - is debian in your opinion a hard or a easy distrubution compared to other distributions |
| 09:07.43 | dcbevins | well like i said im confused, what are your looking for more specficaly mcgreg? |
| 09:07.59 | mcgreg | when you want t desktop computer |
| 09:08.05 | nsadmin | mcgreg: debian covers a lot of ground |
| 09:08.10 | jelly | mcgreg: they're all equally disturbing when you get into it more deeply |
| 09:08.18 | dcbevins | to me the strenght of debian is the repositories and the apt aptitude symantic utilites |
| 09:08.22 | nsadmin | so it really depends on what you want to have experience with |
| 09:08.58 | jelly | mcgreg: ubuntu or mint might be more suitable for an idiot-proof desktop machine |
| 09:09.03 | nsadmin | you add to that strength, the stability of the toolchain and the userland environment |
| 09:09.35 | nsadmin | probably you've already said what your purpose is |
| 09:10.50 | dcbevins | alos, a weakness of debian, (for me) is that the stable repo's are to outdated, and the testing ones while more updated are sometimes wild west-ish, the ubuntu repo's at least are more current, maybe try mint |
| 09:11.22 | nsadmin | what you're not understanding is that old software doesn't just stop working |
| 09:11.33 | dcbevins | or enter the non debian world, knock around, and return at a later date, like opensuse |
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| 09:11.45 | dcbevins | yes it does |
| 09:11.50 | Black_Phantom | kess em el 7ale be ayre |
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| 09:12.17 | mcgreg | well, I have bene thinking of mandriva - I heard it is supposed to be rather easy too |
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| 09:13.04 | nsadmin | if you think that just because something newer exists, the older stops working, I dunno what to tell you... |
| 09:13.35 | nsadmin | I know that very old software can work just fine |
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| 09:13.43 | dcbevins | that is old software that works, well works, but the stable repo's still get problems at times, which are solved more rapidly in testing, which of course has more problems too |
| 09:14.25 | nsadmin | it's true that some bugs don't get fixed by release time |
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| 09:14.32 | dcbevins | like when my move player stoped playing movies a few weeks ago, using stable after an update, after three days, finaly had to pull stuff from testing |
| 09:14.37 | dcbevins | movie |
| 09:14.42 | nsadmin | movie player, which one? |
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| 09:15.03 | dcbevins | multiple ones, was an ffmpeg problem |
| 09:15.17 | nsadmin | , versions ffmpeg |
| 09:15.18 | judd | ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; sid: 4:0.5.2-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-1; experimental: 4:0.6-2; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6~svn20100603-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6~svn20100603-0.0 |
| 09:15.19 | dcbevins | but that is just an example |
| 09:15.47 | jelly | dcbevins: a stable release has a known and relatively unchanging set of issues. These may have to be solved by using backported newer versions of software. Using binary packages from testing directly leads to trouble. |
| 09:15.52 | nsadmin | as you can see there are many choices |
| 09:15.57 | themill | dcbevins: ffmpeg hasn't changed in stable since January |
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| 09:17.06 | nsadmin | themill: according to the svn date, looks like it's from 2008 |
| 09:17.14 | jelly | dcbevins: for a production enviroment, I'd suggest using stable + selected few backports for things your users absolutely can't do without. |
| 09:17.33 | dcbevins | ugg it was a few weeks ago i fixed it, its in the past, just as an example that in my experience, stable isnt as stable as id like, and as it is stable, if there is a problem it usualy takes longer to creep out of the system, so i go to testing, BAM its fixed, but them testing has its own crop of things to go bump in the night, all to illistrate my point that i find stable a bit outdate, but testing to wild and wooly |
| 09:17.50 | themill | nsadmin: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-debian/ffmpeg-debian_0.svn20080206-18+lenny1/changelog |
| 09:18.06 | dcbevins | i dont even care today about ffmpeg, it was just a data point its working |
| 09:18.08 | nsadmin | dcbevins: the two of us are not using the word "stable" in the same way |
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| 09:18.21 | nsadmin | perhaps if we were, there would be more agreement |
| 09:18.33 | dcbevins | i am using it in reference to the stable pool of apps in debian repo's |
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| 09:19.40 | nsadmin | the way debian -implements- stable, is by finding a set of packages that all work together, and then NOT CHANGING them |
| 09:19.54 | dcbevins | idealy yes |
| 09:19.58 | nsadmin | that way they continue to work well together |
| 09:20.07 | dcbevins | but its not that way completly, things still get fumexed |
| 09:20.16 | mcgreg | hmm actually I am now thinking about debian stable. I think it is probably more in people interest to have an stable system. whats currently the kernel of debian stable? .26? would it be save to install a more current one without installing to much of new packages? |
| 09:20.49 | moldovean | , kernels |
| 09:20.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-17); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 09:21.04 | nsadmin | mcgreg: stable might be a good thing to learn from, you have moreorless a not-moving target |
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| 09:21.20 | mcgreg | yeah that sound really reasonable |
| 09:21.26 | nsadmin | stable is quite good for servers |
| 09:21.41 | dcbevins | stable is great for servers |
| 09:22.11 | nsadmin | the -last- thing I want as a server admin is for someone besides me making any decisions about what version of anything goes on the machines I control |
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| 09:23.39 | mcgreg | ok, if I understand that correctly : lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1) is I can use .32 kernel on lenny (which is stable at the time, right?) - I wo0uld need that for some driver reason (well, the person I would like to introduce to linux) |
| 09:24.15 | nsadmin | .26 does work too... do you have reason to go to .32? |
| 09:24.16 | xyan | exactly thats what backports are there for |
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| 09:24.47 | mcgreg | nsadmin: yeah, some wifi driver was introduced in .28 or .29 or even later |
| 09:25.02 | nsadmin | that would be a good reason |
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| 09:26.53 | K0JIbKA | Hi! I create list of files stored in RAR archive. For that I type <rar lb ~/somedir/somefile.rar > ~/listfile.txt> but there's plenty of those archives all around my DVD-ROMs. Can you please advise me some shorter way, command, script? |
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| 09:27.17 | nsadmin | oh, now I see, you're introducing someone to linux... are they happy with that, or do they seem to be kicking and screaming? |
| 09:27.38 | dcbevins | happily kicking and screaming probably |
| 09:27.45 | mcgreg | ok ...is there a working fglrx verison available for stable for ati r500 (x1300) - unfortunately there is a no PM in .32 for those gfx cards |
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| 09:28.38 | nsadmin | this hw, you're lending/giving it to them? |
| 09:28.45 | mcgreg | nsadmin: well ... she is interested but only if it's not too much work |
| 09:28.59 | mcgreg | no, it's her laptop |
| 09:30.04 | nsadmin | oh, actually I have a question... is it possible to image partitions (happens to be ntfs) that have sector errors? |
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| 09:30.37 | nsadmin | the partition seems to work, I just want to move it to a different hd |
| 09:30.53 | dcbevins | might wanna mark the sectors as bad first |
| 09:31.15 | nsadmin | how do I go about that? would I do that in win or linux? |
| 09:31.17 | K0JIbKA | parted? |
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| 09:31.32 | K0JIbKA | !parted |
| 09:31.32 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a partition editor, used for creation, destruction, resizing and copying, including the associated file system within. I (Mongoose) used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables, can only shrink HFS/HFS+ filesystems. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ #parted on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:31.52 | mcgreg | actuallyx I just want to be prepared for everything. you know hopw annying peoiple can get when things are working as they're used to be. "meeehhh my laptop gets a lot hotter than it's does with windows - linux sucks" and I want to avaoid that "crap" |
| 09:32.04 | mcgreg | *aren't |
| 09:32.04 | nsadmin | I did install ntfsprogs and gparted then would let me resize/move |
| 09:32.46 | nsadmin | so how many different kinds of relationships do you want with her? |
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| 09:33.14 | nsadmin | by her response, she's not invested in learning about linux |
| 09:33.18 | dcbevins | i dont think ive done it in several years, i remember a utility called badblocks |
| 09:33.47 | dcbevins | maybe man badblocks be careful, it can chew a drive up |
| 09:33.48 | nsadmin | that's a good thought, I'll look into that |
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| 09:34.28 | nsadmin | I'd like to copy the good sectors before I do that |
| 09:34.30 | dcbevins | the windows scandisk can do that |
| 09:34.45 | dcbevins | i think |
| 09:35.03 | dcbevins | do the copy first probably, then mark them, then format |
| 09:35.11 | mcgreg | nsadmin: well, she hasn't said that yet :) maybe she wouldnt not even but she might think it :) well, a good PM is important for a laptop. it's annoying when your computer gets more hot that necessary in says like that (we have currently in germany) (for example) |
| 09:35.59 | nsadmin | mcgreg: but she has said "if it's not too much work"? |
| 09:36.02 | xyan | K0JIbKA: for i in $(find /path/to/rars -iname "*.rar") ;do rar lb "$i" > "$i.list" ;done |
| 09:36.32 | themill | and hope there are no spaces in your filenames |
| 09:36.42 | xyan | should be ok with "" ? |
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| 09:36.53 | nsadmin | I'll just ask a bold question here... mcgreg, this is your gf? |
| 09:36.57 | K0JIbKA | xyan: rar lb "$i" > "$i.list" |
| 09:36.59 | themill | xyan: the "for i in" part won't be though |
| 09:37.06 | K0JIbKA | is that right? |
| 09:38.23 | mcgreg | nsadmin: yeah |
| 09:38.27 | nsadmin | mcgreg: one thing you can do with linux to help her is do periodic backups of her laptop |
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| 09:39.02 | mcgreg | heh |
| 09:39.13 | jelly | !tell xyan about bash pitfalls |
| 09:39.23 | jelly | xyan: for i in $(...) is bad |
| 09:39.23 | xyan | K0JIbKA: for i in $(find /path/to/rars -iname "*.rar") ;do rar lb "$i" > "$i.list" ;done |
| 09:39.26 | xyan | xD |
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| 09:39.31 | gps23 | is there some application which show me all desktops and then allow me to chose one from them? |
| 09:39.37 | K0JIbKA | what $ stands for? |
| 09:39.53 | xyan | well yeah comes up with another problem, creating the list files within the find path will add it to finds list of files... |
| 09:39.58 | mcgreg | nsadmin: but she has said "if it's not too much work"? <--- well, I dont remember that but that probably be a YES :) |
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| 09:40.01 | jelly | K0JIbKA: $i is the contents of variable i |
| 09:40.01 | xyan | K0JIbKA: variable expension of your shell |
| 09:40.06 | nsadmin | mcgreg: but I get the strong feeling that she is not invested, and will not initially be interested when something unexpected happens when she wants to/has to do something |
| 09:40.34 | dcbevins | maybe give her a live cd to see if she likes it |
| 09:40.35 | K0JIbKA | thanks |
| 09:41.18 | nsadmin | if you want her to be more invested, make her chase it |
| 09:42.19 | nsadmin | btw, why will she need fglrx? |
| 09:42.45 | mcgreg | she's used linux already - I installed it on some external usb driver and she used a little from time to time. she liked it , though I was the admin of the machine. so I kept it running and current. and I did things my way :) now I told her to install linux besides her windows (xp) installation. so she can decide what she wants to use every boot time |
| 09:43.27 | themill | xyan, K0JIbKA: find's -exec or xargs would be better for this. |
| 09:43.28 | mcgreg | nsadmin: fglrx to get PM for her gfx card. on a laptop it is important to have a good PM. |
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| 09:43.45 | nsadmin | a nice large -internal- hd will be good |
| 09:43.49 | nsadmin | PM? |
| 09:43.58 | mcgreg | power management |
| 09:44.19 | xyan | themill: how would you redirect the results into different files then? -exec rar lb {} > ??? |
| 09:44.21 | nsadmin | not sure how those two connect |
| 09:44.44 | mcgreg | yeah, she's bought a new hdd - 500GB so she's now have left enough space for linux - she's installed already ubuntu to test and it was too buggy and she didnt like it |
| 09:45.12 | nsadmin | she did the install? |
| 09:45.54 | mcgreg | nsadmin: hmm? the gfx driver usually does power management for the gfx card - and the radeon driver needs an up to date kernel (2.6.35-rc*) to make it work properly |
| 09:46.02 | mcgreg | nsadmin: yeah , I was just observing |
| 09:46.49 | themill | xyan: you'd have to run sh -c "foo > bar" as your command. It gets ugly at this stage. |
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| 09:48.51 | jelly | I sometimes find ... -print0 | tr '\0' '\n' | while read line; do stuff with $line |
| 09:48.54 | gps23 | can i have the functionality to see all workspaces in the middle of the screen, like its done by key Ctrl-Alt-Up IIRC in ubuntu. but without using compiz |
| 09:48.54 | nsadmin | that changes things a little... if she was interested in trying it enough to get a large drive and do a trial install herself, that's pretty good, she may be interested after all |
| 09:49.00 | K0JIbKA | themill, xyan: Is it like that? http://pastebin.com/FqbUppE7 I'm quite new to scripting |
| 09:49.42 | K0JIbKA | make executable and run... |
| 09:49.45 | xyan | jelly: nice approach |
| 09:49.48 | jelly | gps23: that's a property of the particular window manager |
| 09:49.52 | nsadmin | jelly: and if that find succeeds, you have haxquors puttin stuff in hidden dirs :) |
| 09:50.06 | jelly | xyan: it breaks when file names contain \n |
| 09:50.17 | gps23 | jelly: i am using gnome, i saw gnome doing same in ubuntu. |
| 09:50.24 | xyan | jelly: didnt see such a file yet |
| 09:50.46 | jelly | xyan: here, touch this$'\n'one |
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| 09:50.56 | xyan | jelly: hehe |
| 09:51.35 | themill | spaces in filenames will also be a problem and they are far more common |
| 09:51.42 | xyan | IFS=' |
| 09:51.43 | xyan | ' |
| 09:52.40 | K0JIbKA | themill: all filenames contain spaces |
| 09:52.47 | jelly | yeah yeah. Some apache packaging scripts used to use IFS=$'\a', rather horrible |
| 09:53.00 | themill | !pal K0JIbKA |
| 09:53.00 | dpkg | points at K0JIbKA and laughs uproariously |
| 09:53.21 | K0JIbKA | in my archives... |
| 09:53.39 | K0JIbKA | :) |
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| 09:54.02 | nsadmin | I'm not going to get dpkg to PAL again... but, if every file you have has spaces, isn't that a nightmare? |
| 09:54.49 | xyan | K0JIbKA: well use -exec then and create a single file listing all the contents -> find /path/to/rars -iname "*.rar" -exec rar lb {} > files.list \; |
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| 09:56.19 | K0JIbKA | xyan: I'll try that right now |
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| 09:59.48 | K0JIbKA | xyan: It says <find: missing argument in `-exec'> |
| 10:00.33 | xyan | K0JIbKA: did you use the "\;" at the end of the line? |
| 10:00.44 | K0JIbKA | sorry, no |
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| 10:01.40 | mcgreg | ok, another question: (for example) if I compile a kernel using 4 threads and I see high values in %wa (as far as I understands "wait") - is there something I can do about it to optimize it? |
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| 10:01.42 | nse | Hi guys. How can I turn the whole system sound into something mono so I don't miss some sound as I am using only one speaker? |
| 10:01.48 | K0JIbKA | Oh those smilies ... |
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| 10:02.33 | K0JIbKA | it's really time to add them into ASCII table |
| 10:02.54 | xyan | nse: alsamixer, mute the channel you dont have a speaker for |
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| 10:04.27 | nse | xyan: |
| 10:04.34 | Eifiklen | I'm logged in as root, thru ssh, and I was playing around with some security, regarding ssh, and restarted it. I'm still connected, but can't make new connections. Any help for the dummy? :P |
| 10:04.47 | nse | In fact I have only whoofer and a left frontal speaker. |
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| 10:05.50 | xyan | Eifiklen: provide more information, pastebin your sshd config.. restore the backup of your config which you hopefully did before "playing around with some security" |
| 10:06.07 | K0JIbKA | xyan:now it performs no action whatsoever. ">" is standing alone in shell output and no search is going on at DVD_ROM |
| 10:06.22 | xyan | K0JIbKA: means you forgot a quote somewhere |
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| 10:06.29 | Eifiklen | I basicly only changed the port, so it's a standard config, and it is listening on the new port. |
| 10:06.35 | K0JIbKA | I did <find /path/to/rars -iname "*.rar" -exec rar lb {} > files.list \;> |
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| 10:06.54 | xyan | K0JIbKA: thats ok ctrl+c it and do it again |
| 10:07.00 | nse | xyan: hey help me please I can't stand loosing Enya no longer =) |
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| 10:07.28 | xyan | Eifiklen: then you should be able to ssh -p <port> host |
| 10:08.03 | nsadmin | nse: invite her to lunch |
| 10:08.18 | nse | nsadmin: You're great, really. |
| 10:08.20 | K0JIbKA | all quotes and brackets are as in pattern pasted |
| 10:08.23 | Eifiklen | I changed the port last night, and it worked today, as it was supposed to, but I can't connect now, for some reason. (I'm still connected, luckily, on the new port) |
| 10:08.50 | nse | Aren't you the tggd> The good guys from debian> |
| 10:08.52 | nsadmin | and if she says no, ask Gwen Stephani |
| 10:09.03 | xyan | Eifiklen: all of a sudden without changing anything⦠|
| 10:09.22 | Eifiklen | I changed other stuff on the server, but not anything near the ssh. :P |
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| 10:09.42 | xyan | firewall? fail2ban or something? |
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| 10:10.09 | Eifiklen | I tried to install DenyHosts, but I removed that again, to check if it was that. |
| 10:10.25 | nse | It's a great album that starts with Train to Paris - a wonderful song from Enya together with a band of great performers. =) |
| 10:11.01 | xyan | Eifiklen: did you try to ssh -vvv and read the debug output? |
| 10:11.57 | nsadmin | talking about great performers... howbout Tal Wilkenfeld (who I'm not quite impressed with yet, but I want to see what she can do in about 5-10 years) and Vinnie Colaiuta |
| 10:11.58 | K0JIbKA | xyan: well you were right. instestead of missing I've added slash <find /path/to/rars/ -iname "*.rar" -exec rar lb {} > files.list \;> |
| 10:12.18 | nsadmin | still, if she's playing with Vinnie... |
| 10:12.27 | Eifiklen | Right now it says "Name or service not known" |
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| 10:12.48 | xyan | Eifiklen: dns fail? |
| 10:12.57 | Eifiklen | It was on localhost |
| 10:13.16 | xyan | deleted /etc/hosts along /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 10:13.33 | Eifiklen | I can try that. |
| 10:13.37 | xyan | noooo |
| 10:13.40 | xyan | it was a question |
| 10:13.40 | xyan | lol |
| 10:13.47 | nsadmin | what -exactly- are you doing to get that message? |
| 10:13.47 | Eifiklen | Oh. |
| 10:13.48 | Eifiklen | xD |
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| 10:14.15 | nse | Ok it's wonderful the sound now. For newcomers: what I did was really doing CORRECTLY the first thing that was told me. I tried out muting everything that doesn't affected the volume, and the mixer automatically organized the whole sound into was left. |
| 10:15.03 | Eifiklen | Let me try to connect using a different box then |
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| 10:16.39 | Eifiklen | xyan, I can connect thru ssh, to localhost right now, I was just mistyping stuff before. I can't connect from my other box, (not in the same lan) |
| 10:18.28 | xyan | Eifiklen: netstat -tlpen|grep sshd |
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| 10:19.29 | K0JIbKA | xyan: Thank you, all done well:-D |
| 10:19.33 | Eifiklen | xyan http://paste2.org/p/914427 |
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| 10:20.27 | xyan | Eifiklen: looks fine and what exact error do you get when you say "I can't connect form my other box"? |
| 10:20.59 | Eifiklen | "Connection timed out" |
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| 10:22.27 | xyan | pastebin the debug output please (-vvv) |
| 10:23.32 | Eifiklen | http://paste2.org/p/914430 |
| 10:24.05 | nse | *into WHAT was left. |
| 10:24.45 | xyan | Eifiklen: the domain resolves to the correct ip? you dont have any firewall rules on the host which might block connections on that port? |
| 10:25.08 | Eifiklen | If so, the firewall is on the same server. |
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| 10:25.45 | Eifiklen | I connected this morning, and I'm still connected, but the only thing I can really think of, is DenyHosts, blocking it. But I removed that, to see if that's what did it. |
| 10:26.06 | Eifiklen | I don't know if it leaves anything, that blocks connections? |
| 10:26.14 | jmeeuwen | i'm trying to get a virtualized Debian Lenny system provisioned with preseed, but when the unattended installation is finished and the system comes back up, no sshd server is running and i cannot get a prompt on the serial console; can anyone here help me out with that? |
| 10:26.39 | Eifiklen | But it did resolve to the right IP, I checked it, before posting. |
| 10:26.58 | jmeeuwen | my preseed is at http://fpaste.org/R3DR/ |
| 10:26.59 | xyan | Eifiklen: i dont know denyhosts, i guess its a daemon which uses iptables to block stuff, did you stop it properly? |
| 10:27.01 | nsadmin | jmeeuwen: install openssh-server |
| 10:27.20 | Eifiklen | It stopped after doing "apt-get remove denyhosts" |
| 10:27.21 | nsadmin | as far as serial console, not sure what you have exactly |
| 10:27.48 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, the error is "INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" |
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| 10:28.03 | xyan | anything in iptables -L, something suspicious in /var/log/auth.log or /var/log/syslog? |
| 10:28.34 | xyan | Eifiklen: pastebin your /etc/hosts.deny |
| 10:28.34 | Eifiklen | So far, iptables seems empty to me. I'll check the log files. |
| 10:28.38 | Eifiklen | Just a sec. |
| 10:28.43 | nsadmin | jmeeuwen: so the getty is exiting every time you run it |
| 10:28.59 | Eifiklen | xyan, there's no hosts.deny, only a hosts.allow |
| 10:29.07 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, i'm assuming that is the case, yes |
| 10:29.17 | nsadmin | find out why |
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| 10:29.33 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, i cannot verify though, why that is exactly, since i have no console and no ssh-server running |
| 10:29.49 | xyan | Eifiklen: check the logs then, im out of guesses though and its lunch time |
| 10:31.06 | Eifiklen | xyan, in auth.log, I tried to access the server, thru FTP, but I couldn't remember the password, so it refused to connect, of course. Could that be it? |
| 10:31.13 | nsadmin | jmeeuwen what distance is the machine from you? |
| 10:31.30 | Eifiklen | That's about the only thing, I can find, that looks weird. |
| 10:31.35 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, about 800 miles |
| 10:31.35 | xyan | Eifiklen: unlikely. |
| 10:31.42 | jmeeuwen | euh, 800 kilometers |
| 10:31.52 | nsadmin | ok, so it's a remote... |
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| 10:32.09 | jmeeuwen | yes, i'm trying to connect to it from the local infrastructure though |
| 10:32.19 | Eifiklen | Nothing in syslog tho. |
| 10:32.21 | jmeeuwen | my virt. tech. is KVM through libvirt |
| 10:32.36 | nsadmin | you may have to start over, and put the ssh server in the preseeding |
| 10:32.49 | nsadmin | , versions openssh-server |
| 10:32.51 | judd | openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.5p1-4; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-4 |
| 10:33.09 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, it's in there, but can you tell me i did include it correctly? http://fpaste.org/R3DR/ |
| 10:33.29 | nsadmin | I don't know how to preseed |
| 10:33.33 | xyan | Eifiklen: a) move the /etc/hosts.allow file out of the way and try connecting, or b) explicitly allow your client ip there to use the sshd service... good luck im out for lunch |
| 10:34.05 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, alright, thanks anyway ;-) |
| 10:34.32 | nsadmin | can you at least ping it? |
| 10:34.50 | Eifiklen | I'll try that, xyan, thanks |
| 10:35.11 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, yes I can |
| 10:35.25 | nsadmin | so you were moreorless successful |
| 10:35.44 | jmeeuwen | yes, the preseeding does get this network-based install done fully automatically |
| 10:35.51 | nsadmin | gettys are hard to get right |
| 10:35.55 | jmeeuwen | it's just the result that is not satisfactory ;-) |
| 10:36.00 | the-dude | jmeeuwen: try d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install openssh-server in your preseed file |
| 10:36.01 | Eifiklen | xyan, moving it, seemed to help. I still wonder why, tho. Thanks for the help. ^^ |
| 10:37.25 | jmeeuwen | the-dude, i can see puppet being installed as a package since that one does start on boot, so i'm assuming the ssh server is installed too |
| 10:37.54 | xyan | Eifiklen: man 5 hosts_access... rather confusion description though (section ACCESS CONTROL FILES) |
| 10:37.58 | xyan | & |
| 10:38.13 | mcgreg | bye |
| 10:39.25 | jmeeuwen | in fact iirc, i saw openssh-server being installed while watching the automated installation go through the serial console |
| 10:39.25 | the-dude | jmeeuwen: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/Xen ? |
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| 10:40.08 | Eifiklen | It makes perfect sense. I guess I'll just have to make more backups, when fooling around with configs. ^^ |
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| 10:41.12 | jmeeuwen | the-dude, i have before but it's based on xen para-virt, not kvm full virt. |
| 10:41.29 | jmeeuwen | i'll try and use it to alter some things though, see where it gets me |
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| 10:41.54 | hacker_kid | how do i disable the curses interface when installing packages and just go back to simple text? |
| 10:42.38 | mynd | is there a squid or socks or proxy channel? |
| 10:42.52 | mynd | nevermind found squid |
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| 10:50.22 | nsadmin | hacker_kid: curses: aptitude not curses: aptitude install something |
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| 10:51.38 | hacker_kid | nsadmin, your response isnt very clear, what i mean is when a package (installed via apt-get or aptitude) requires some configuration (such as when mysql asks for a password) a curses interface is used, which is very very difficult to script, i have turned that off and used plain text before but do not remember how |
| 10:52.38 | xyan | Eifiklen: a backup wouldnt have saved you in this situation, i guess your denyhosts created the hosts.allow file which you werent aware of. maybe a quick reading of its manpage would have been useful in this case |
| 10:52.42 | FabParma | can you suggest me a file manager please? I tried Dolphin, PCman, Thunar, Konqueror, Nautilus and no one has all I need. The things that missing to me are: "a reliable an precise find function based on beagle", "folder size column" and "Samba shares support" |
| 10:52.45 | nsadmin | now that your question is clear, I can say I haven't encountered that |
| 10:52.56 | nse | Ok how can I properly set the layout of my keyboard so I have an interrogative mark> |
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| 10:54.09 | themill | hacker_kid: you answer the questions in advance using debconf-set-selections. |
| 10:54.58 | nsadmin | there are also some interfaces that are used, one of those being dialog |
| 10:55.11 | nsadmin | that must be what you're talking about |
| 10:55.17 | hacker_kid | themill, good option but i would like to simple change the interface used from curses to plain text, i know that is possible (but googling is just giving me information on how to defeat witches XD) |
| 10:55.37 | hacker_kid | nsadmin, yes dialog was one of the other options, if you could tell me how to set to dialog i could probably figure this out |
| 10:56.12 | themill | hacker_kid: if you're trying to script it, then use debconf-set-selections. If you just want to select a different interface, then "DEBIAN_FRONTENT=dialog aptitude install foo". But don't do that to then use somehting like "expect" with it... |
| 10:56.13 | nsadmin | there's web, noninteractive, curses/dialog and one other |
| 10:56.43 | themill | hacker_kid: err... DEBIAN_FRONTEND=.... of course. |
| 10:56.53 | nsadmin | what are the acceptable values of DEBIAN_FRONTEND? |
| 10:57.09 | hacker_kid | nsadmin, yes... how would i change between them |
| 10:57.36 | hacker_kid | themill, could that setting be made permanent instead of on a per-install basis? |
| 10:57.39 | nsadmin | themill just showed you, it's a special shell feature |
| 10:57.41 | themill | nsadmin: anything that implements the debconf 2 specification. noninteractive, dialog, readline, ... |
| 10:57.47 | themill | hacker_kid: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 10:57.56 | hacker_kid | themill, thank you |
| 10:58.01 | themill | nsadmin: there are kde and gnome ones too |
| 10:58.17 | nsadmin | someone had too much time on their hands... |
| 10:58.51 | nse | how to set a keyboard layout using debian> |
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| 11:02.45 | jelly | !tell nse about keymap |
| 11:02.48 | nooga | haha |
| 11:02.49 | nsadmin | is readline still curses? |
| 11:03.00 | nooga | http://vii-svn.dyndns.org/ <- check out my new, shiny debian server |
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| 11:06.28 | nse | jelly: "whale:/home/leo# dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 11:06.29 | nse | Package `console-data' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 11:06.29 | nse | Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, |
| 11:06.29 | nse | and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. |
| 11:06.29 | nse | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: console-data is not installed" |
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| 11:06.53 | jelly | nse: which debian release are you using? |
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| 11:07.56 | nse | I am on testing |
| 11:08.24 | nse | Will you tell me that people here don't give support to what's not stable> |
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| 11:08.46 | manchot | something is wrong with my ntpdate and debian box. |
| 11:09.07 | manchot | I selected the time zone (tzdata) as US central, and I ran ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 11:09.10 | jelly | nse: no, as you know it already |
| 11:09.23 | manchot | but it game me the wrong time: 14 Jul 01:06:11 |
| 11:09.29 | jelly | nse: "/msg dpkg xorg config squeeze" has some pointers |
| 11:09.37 | nse | manchot: That only makes us a bit more angry. You should tell us what it was supposed to do but it's not. |
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| 11:10.03 | manchot | nse, the date ntpdate fetched does not match the real time. |
| 11:10.33 | jelly | manchot: what does "0.debian.pool.ntp.org" resolve to, for you? |
| 11:10.36 | nse | Ok I am totally depressed. |
| 11:10.59 | manchot | jelly: 63.211.239.58 |
| 11:12.02 | jelly | manchot: try a different ntp server if 0... always gets you that same ip address |
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| 11:12.24 | Bushmills | pool servers are automatically taken out of rotation when the time differs too much |
| 11:12.36 | Bushmills | (that's in a range of about 100 ms) |
| 11:12.43 | p0lyc4rbonate | which ext filesystem should i use on my usb hdd? |
| 11:13.02 | manchot | Bushmills, I don't understand what you said. |
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| 11:13.17 | p0lyc4rbonate | i will make a partition of 500Gb and passively store large mm files |
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| 11:13.29 | Bushmills | that means, the likeliness that pool server time is wrong isn't non-existant but very small |
| 11:13.30 | jelly | p0lyc4rbonate: if you don't know better, use ext3 |
| 11:13.51 | zikzak | About apt-offline: How does it know which packages it has to add to the signature file with "apt-offline set"? Do I have to call "apt-offline set --upgrade" separately? In other words: Do I have to carry the external media from the disconnected Debian box to the connected one and back _twice_? |
| 11:13.56 | nooga | ;] |
| 11:14.11 | manchot | Bushmills, then how do I sync the correct time using uptdate? |
| 11:14.27 | manchot | jelly, already tried a different server, same result. |
| 11:14.37 | Bushmills | i *think* the time you got is allright, but as what it displays is wrong |
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| 11:14.53 | p0lyc4rbonate | thanks |
| 11:14.59 | Bushmills | what does date -u show? |
| 11:15.04 | manchot | Bushmills, #ntpdate swisstime.ee.ethz.ch |
| 11:15.04 | manchot | 14 Jul 01:10:47 ntpdate[3844]: step time server 129.132.2.21 offset 18098.082307 sec |
| 11:15.27 | manchot | Bushmills, date -u shows : Wed Jul 14 06:13:33 UTC 2010 |
| 11:15.29 | Bushmills | do ntpdate -b .... |
| 11:15.42 | Bushmills | (dots for time server) |
| 11:16.04 | EdwardIII | hey i've got a machine with a funny openssh install - it comes with no /etc/ssh/module. can i just generate this another machine then ssh it over? |
| 11:16.07 | EdwardIII | ssh/scp |
| 11:16.18 | EdwardIII | sshd seems to be working without issue |
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| 11:16.41 | manchot | Bushmills, this is what I got by running with a -b option: 14 Jul 01:14:11 ntpdate[3853]: step time server 129.132.2.21 offset 18098.079296 sec |
| 11:16.56 | Bushmills | and date -u now? |
| 11:17.23 | crs | Hi, is anyone using debian on openrd-ultimate? |
| 11:17.56 | manchot | Bushmills, Wed Jul 14 06:15:56 UTC 2010 |
| 11:18.39 | Bushmills | repeat ntpdate -b 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 11:18.56 | manchot | OK. |
| 11:19.46 | manchot | Bushmills, I repeated a few times and I got: 14 Jul 01:17:43 ntpdate[3887]: step time server 207.171.7.152 offset 18098.067603 sec |
| 11:20.02 | manchot | date -u |
| 11:20.03 | manchot | Wed Jul 14 06:17:45 UTC 2010 |
| 11:20.03 | Bushmills | the time the server gave you is correct. but your machine doesn't step to the right time |
| 11:20.16 | manchot | Bushmills, something is read only? |
| 11:20.20 | Bushmills | are you root? |
| 11:20.23 | manchot | yes. |
| 11:20.43 | manchot | I am running a Xen instance, maybe that's the cause? |
| 11:20.54 | Bushmills | maybe |
| 11:21.27 | manchot | Bushmills, by the way, the server does not gave me the right time time. because it is not 01:17:43 U.S. Central |
| 11:22.04 | Bushmills | it found an offset of about 5 hours |
| 11:22.41 | EdwardIII | maybe i can just use ssh keygen to create diffie helman parameters in moduli? |
| 11:22.44 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: wikipedia entry of ntpdate says that it's deprecated |
| 11:22.45 | Bushmills | your utc date is around 6 am. it is now 5 hours later |
| 11:22.48 | jelly | manchot: is this OS instance running on real hardware or is it virtual? |
| 11:23.17 | manchot | jelly, should be virtual. I bought a xen instance as a VPS |
| 11:23.34 | Bushmills | greenmang0: that doesn't mean that it doesn't work. but true, use of ntp is encouraged, instead of periodical ntpdate polling |
| 11:23.53 | jelly | manchot: contact provider to verify and fix time on the host if necessary and if host is pushing their time to clients |
| 11:24.05 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: what i normally do is 1) dpkg-reconfigure tzdata 2) aptitude install openntpd 3)ntpd -s |
| 11:24.16 | xyan | EdwardIII: man ssh-keygen (section MODULI GENERATION) |
| 11:24.23 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: that works for me perfectly everytime |
| 11:24.24 | Bushmills | greenmang0: there is also rdate |
| 11:24.29 | manchot | greenmang0, I see running an extra service a risk and a waste of resources. |
| 11:24.58 | manchot | Bushmills, greenmang0 crontab ntpdate should be fine I guess |
| 11:25.02 | jelly | manchot: not having correct time may also be a risk |
| 11:25.29 | manchot | jelly, agree. |
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| 11:26.43 | greenmang0 | manchot: and openntpd listens on random port on localhost unless otherwise stated in config file |
| 11:27.44 | greenmang0 | manchot: the openntd config file says that it doesn't listen by default.... so you should switch to openntd instead for ntpdate |
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| 11:29.22 | manchot | greenmang0, will think about it. but it is a service anyway |
| 11:29.36 | Bushmills | i found ntpd preferable over crony and openntpd. latter seemed to suffer from a mem leak. crony had difficulties to keep the time right. |
| 11:30.21 | greenmang0 | manchot: hmm |
| 11:30.22 | Bushmills | chrony, that is |
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| 11:31.20 | Bushmills | on my wlan router i used rdate instead of ntpdate (was provided by busybox) until i installed ntpd there |
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| 11:32.36 | jelly | Bushmills: but chrony has a nicer name. |
| 11:33.02 | Bushmills | true. but that doesn't help if it doesn't function properly |
| 11:34.47 | manchot | Bushmills, what is a mem leak? how do you tell if a program has it? |
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| 11:35.20 | Bushmills | the amount of memory it used, displayed in ps aux or top, was ever increasing |
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| 11:35.45 | Bushmills | after a few months it used 600 MiB |
| 11:36.12 | manchot | Bushmills, I see. heard that lighttpd has this problem. |
| 11:36.20 | Bushmills | root 11240 0.0 2.1 1408 648 ? S May29 0:02 /usr/sbin/ntpd -g -p /var/run/ntpd.pid ntpd, for comparison |
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| 11:37.50 | vallhalla | dpkg: nvidia |
| 11:37.50 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 11:38.35 | vallhalla | dpkg: nvidia squeeze |
| 11:38.35 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now. Use either module-assistant or DKMS to compile them; ask me about <nvidia m-a> <nvidia dkms>. They are incompatible with <nouveau> <KMS> (nouveau kernel module blacklisted as of nvidia-kernel-common 20100522). |
| 11:38.41 | moldovean | !tell vallhalla about selftell |
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| 11:40.25 | Barrett | hi |
| 11:40.47 | Barrett | anyone has idea why totem and vlc don't plays videos on debian testing? |
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| 11:42.10 | nse | do I have to restart something so the changes made by dpkg-reconfigure console-data take effect> |
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| 11:43.13 | tux_ | Bushmills, what's the difference between ntpdate -B and -b? |
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| 11:44.57 | Bushmills | don't know. look at man page. -b forces stepping rather than slewing |
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| 11:48.12 | tux_ | Bushmills, I read the manpage, not sure what stepping and slewing mean |
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| 11:50.24 | Bushmills | stepping means, set new time in one step. slewing is, approximate time incrementally |
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| 11:53.56 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 11:54.20 | Bushmills | successively, that is |
| 11:54.57 | themill | nse: as you're running testing, dpkg-reconfigure console-data don't do anything anyway, as you pasted into the channel earlier. |
| 11:55.22 | DukeDrake | There's some script on this server which takes care of tmp-direcotries, especially php session files which had a timeout. |
| 11:55.41 | DukeDrake | How is this done? |
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| 11:57.38 | tux_ | thank you Bushmills |
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| 12:08.38 | nsadmin | DukeDrake do you mean how is a script that does these things placed on this server? |
| 12:08.54 | jelly | DukeDrake: it's a cron job. |
| 12:09.23 | DukeDrake | ok, found it |
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| 12:10.00 | DukeDrake | however, it's a file in /etc/cron.d/ , but I thought I'd get a list of all registered cronjobs with "crontab -l" ? |
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| 12:11.28 | nsadmin | there are different ways of being a cron job :) |
| 12:11.37 | jelly | DukeDrake: negative, that only lists manually added jobs for that user. Packages put their stuff in /etc/cron.*/ |
| 12:11.38 | DukeDrake | obviously =) |
| 12:11.59 | DukeDrake | ok, good to know that =) ... found other, quite intersitng cronjobs there, too |
| 12:12.22 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, the-dude, i think i've figured it out; the d-i pkgsel/include statement in preseed can only occur once, and it'll take the latest occurrence (i was supposed to do a d-i pkgsel/include multiselect once rather then a d-i pkgsel/include string a couple of times) |
| 12:12.34 | jmeeuwen | thanks for your help though! |
| 12:12.47 | nsadmin | interesting... what would be nice is a way to list the packaged cron jobs |
| 12:12.55 | the-dude | jmeeuwen: don't asume anything ;) |
| 12:13.02 | nsadmin | jmeeuwen: is that documented somewhere? |
| 12:13.19 | nsadmin | that sounds like a horrible limitation |
| 12:13.22 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, not that i could find, i had to find this out through trial and error |
| 12:13.42 | jelly | DukeDrake: man cron and /usr/share/doc/cron/README.Debian and default /etc/crontab provide some info |
| 12:13.52 | jmeeuwen | the-dude, i actually ran a successful installation with it just now |
| 12:14.01 | DukeDrake | ok, thanx =) |
| 12:14.02 | jmeeuwen | i'm not-so-much assuming |
| 12:14.10 | DukeDrake | that'll suffice for now ^^ |
| 12:14.22 | DukeDrake | bbl =) |
| 12:14.36 | the-dude | jmeeuwen: 12:37 < jmeeuwen> the-dude, i can see puppet being installed as a package since that one does start on boot, so i'm assuming the ssh server is installed too :) |
| 12:14.44 | nsadmin | jmeeuwen, great job of figuring all that out |
| 12:14.55 | jmeeuwen | the-dude, right ;-) |
| 12:15.03 | the-dude | :) |
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| 12:15.10 | jmeeuwen | it's important to recognize *what* you are assuming, very much true ;-) |
| 12:15.13 | nsadmin | that was before when he was assuming :P |
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| 12:15.44 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, you want to know how i found out? |
| 12:15.49 | nsadmin | sure |
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| 12:16.03 | nsadmin | always cool to learn new ways to think |
| 12:16.08 | jmeeuwen | i included util-linux explicitly, in order make sure to get to /bin/getty |
| 12:16.19 | jmeeuwen | it worked, i got a console, but there was no ssh server nor puppet |
| 12:16.22 | jmeeuwen | bingo ;-) |
| 12:16.37 | nsadmin | so you got one but not the other |
| 12:16.41 | jmeeuwen | yup |
| 12:16.48 | nsadmin | otherz |
| 12:17.00 | jmeeuwen | of course util-linux was at the end of my list of d-i pkgsel/include statements |
| 12:17.15 | nsadmin | there were actually three extras? |
| 12:17.58 | jmeeuwen | i had openssh-server on a single pkgsel/include, and puppet, then i added util-linux and both the openssh-server and puppet packages were not installed as it turned out once i logged in to the console |
| 12:17.58 | FabParma | does exist a shell command to list the folder size? (not the partition size) |
| 12:18.11 | jmeeuwen | FabParma, du -sh /path/to/folder |
| 12:18.13 | nsadmin | wonder what it would cost in time and effort to make it work properly? |
| 12:18.43 | jmeeuwen | i'm not sure, where's the debian installer source code management repository? |
| 12:18.58 | nsadmin | so the supposed getty process didn't exit so much as it failed to exist |
| 12:18.59 | jmeeuwen | or preseed parsing magic source code management repo? |
| 12:19.14 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, presumably, yes that's what caused the trouble i had |
| 12:20.13 | nsadmin | I dunno much about how or what they do behind the veil... I'm just saying it would work properly if the includes were each processed |
| 12:20.26 | jmeeuwen | and appended to a list, yeah |
| 12:20.44 | FabParma | jmeeuwen: Thankx |
| 12:20.50 | jmeeuwen | FabParma, np |
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| 12:21.33 | jmeeuwen | FabParma, it's actually "disk usage" though, not just "size" of the folder |
| 12:21.59 | jmeeuwen | FabParma, the difference is "disk usage" is based on the number of filesystem blocks each file in the directory uses, not the size of the file itself |
| 12:22.09 | nsadmin | oh, hmm |
| 12:22.31 | jmeeuwen | a 1k file could still take a 4k block on a default ext3 filesystem (i'm a fedora guy though, defaults may differ) |
| 12:22.33 | nsadmin | so smaller files, worse estimate |
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| 12:23.07 | jmeeuwen | if you want the actual size, look at the -B option |
| 12:23.09 | nsadmin | fedora guys wear their hat on their sleeve? |
| 12:23.20 | jmeeuwen | nsadmin, come again? |
| 12:23.34 | nsadmin | multilevel play on words |
| 12:23.54 | jmeeuwen | i'm not sure what sleeve refers to ;-) |
| 12:24.05 | nsadmin | there's a saying about wearing one' |
| 12:24.12 | nsadmin | s heart on their sleeve |
| 12:24.49 | jmeeuwen | i think i've heard it before but i'm not familiar with that saying |
| 12:25.12 | jmeeuwen | i'm not a native english speaker either, fwiw |
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| 12:31.58 | nsadmin | you're a pretty fluent typer... no accent at all! |
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| 12:32.51 | phuzion | Anyone know of a solid postfix/dovecot tutorial for debian? |
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| 12:33.31 | nsadmin | , versions dovecot |
| 12:33.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'dovecot' was found. |
| 12:33.44 | nsadmin | what's dovecot? a client? |
| 12:34.11 | phuzion | imap daemon |
| 12:34.15 | SlayerXP | phuzion: http://hinterlands.org/wiki/index.php/DebianEximDovecotSquirrelmailSieve |
| 12:34.16 | phuzion | and pop3 daemon |
| 12:34.24 | FabParma | jmeeuwen: just in case someone is interested, this is what i was looking for and working well: "du -hc --max-depth=1" |
| 12:34.36 | phuzion | SlayerXP: I prefer Postfix |
| 12:34.52 | babilen | ,info icedove |
| 12:34.52 | judd | icedove (mail, optional): free/unbranded thunderbird mail/news/rss clone. Version: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; Size: 10695.2k; Installed: 32000k |
| 12:35.01 | nsadmin | maxdepth 1? you only want the files in the immediate folder? |
| 12:36.39 | jmeeuwen | just for added complexity, and for fun: du -sch `find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f` | tail -n 1 |
| 12:36.57 | nsadmin | phuzion the interfaces to any mta should be exactly the same |
| 12:37.05 | jmeeuwen | you can see what kind of options you gain with that ;-) |
| 12:37.45 | nsadmin | other than that, tutorials for each individually will be easier to find |
| 12:37.57 | SlayerXP | phuzion: some people like being whipped. whatever floats your boat. |
| 12:38.05 | phuzion | nsadmin: I've already replaced exim with postfix. |
| 12:38.19 | phuzion | SlayerXP: More familiar with Postfix than Exim |
| 12:38.33 | nsadmin | I was liking qmail... |
| 12:38.40 | SlayerXP | i'm very familiar with postfix |
| 12:38.45 | SlayerXP | that's why I use exim instead. |
| 12:38.45 | nsadmin | nice to configure |
| 12:39.28 | phuzion | Honestly, what's the big difference between the two? Ease of administration? |
| 12:39.44 | phuzion | Performance, security? What's the selling factor on Exim? I'm not familiar with it |
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| 12:40.16 | jmeeuwen | it's just architecture of the programs that differ and semantics |
| 12:40.45 | jmeeuwen | goes to option value, ease of administration (that's subjective at best), bla bla you can fill in the rest |
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| 12:41.00 | EdwardIII | i use postfix and exim, and i prefer postfix - i find the configuration to be more simple |
| 12:41.11 | EdwardIII | in the most general analysis possible heh |
| 12:41.17 | elsbroek | is there any document howto use rails without installing the rail package? just use rails from gems installation? |
| 12:41.36 | jmeeuwen | elsbroek, to ask the question is to answer it, in this case |
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| 12:42.37 | elsbroek | jmeeuwen: no it isnt. calling /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/gems/rails-2.3.8/bin/rails -v results in an error |
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| 12:43.49 | EdwardIII | elsbroek: what error? |
| 12:44.35 | jmeeuwen | i hope it's not "-v no such option" ;-) |
| 12:45.07 | elsbroek | EdwardIII: http://pastie.org/1043971 |
| 12:45.11 | elsbroek | jmeeuwen: ;) |
| 12:45.33 | nsadmin | elsbroek: I sampled rails that way |
| 12:45.47 | nsadmin | there were things I liked and things I didn't |
| 12:46.09 | EdwardIII | interesting, elsbroek - i don't speak rails, but it's not that your shell is trying to run that file as a bash script? |
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| 12:47.12 | elsbroek | EdwardIII: this was it. perhaps it would have helped not to speak rails |
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| 12:47.35 | nsadmin | in my experience packages of ruby and rubygems did not work properly; when I built them myself, they worked. |
| 12:47.54 | EdwardIII | elsbroek: ah ha... so the problem is solved now? |
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| 12:49.04 | elsbroek | EdwardIII: yep. thx! |
| 12:49.11 | EdwardIII | elsbroek: wicked |
| 12:49.47 | elsbroek | nsadmin: i just dont ffel comfortable to package packaged software.. |
| 12:49.51 | elsbroek | EdwardIII: some sort of..;) |
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| 12:53.21 | nsadmin | oh, while I have done packaging in the past, I didn't this time... in fact I think I just built it in my home dir |
| 12:53.47 | johntramp | hi if i add Graphical desktop environment with tasksel will it install a DE, or just xorg? |
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| 12:54.11 | nsadmin | maybe the issue with rubygems got fixed... if not, building it is an option |
| 12:54.17 | Eifiklen | Is there a way to list all files, that was last modified, or created, within two unix timestamps? |
| 12:54.26 | johntramp | im wanting to only run openbox. should i have this Graphical desktop env enabled? |
| 12:55.23 | nsadmin | Eifiklen: you'd need something like a mathematical expression to do that... check out find, which takes directories then an expression (whose form is defined in man find) |
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| 12:55.50 | jmeeuwen | Eifiklen, man find search for -cmin etc. |
| 12:56.07 | Eifiklen | I'll look it up, thanks. ^^ |
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| 13:03.36 | jmeeuwen | next item on the list is to figure out how to configure the URL for the non-free and contrib repositories... |
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| 13:05.41 | jmeeuwen | and to disable the popularity contest... |
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| 13:07.28 | Martin_vW | Hi. I have a Debian lenny xen host with a Debian squeeze VM running on it; clocksource is jiffies. Unfortunately the VM's clock is running way too fast (about 3x real time). Any suggestions on how to fix this? |
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| 13:30.30 | Alterscape | Question:using $aptitude upgrade to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26 is failing due to insufficient free space on / .. I've already removed all my old pre-Lenny kernels, and still only have 26.1mb of 250mb free. Any thoughts on next steps? |
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| 13:31.53 | jelly | Alterscape: du -x /|sort -n |
| 13:31.53 | chot | hi |
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| 13:32.25 | lvh` | hello |
| 13:32.30 | nsadmin | did he just say saptitude?! |
| 13:32.47 | lvh` | cryptmount/cryptmount-setup is confusing me; can it be used to mount existing volumes too or is it for creating new ones |
| 13:33.13 | nsadmin | Alterscape: second hd |
| 13:33.18 | chot | i'm trying to forward packages to 443 to 8443 on my debian machine, but for some reason it wont work. i'm running "sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d [myip] --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8443", and it goes through but doesn't output anything |
| 13:33.22 | nsadmin | and lvm |
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| 13:33.49 | nsadmin | chot: normally no news is good news |
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| 13:34.10 | chot | and "sudo iptables -L" just shows three chains (INPUT, FORWARD, OUPUT) all with ACCEPT but with no rules |
| 13:34.20 | chot | nsadmin: hm ok :/ |
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| 13:34.45 | nsadmin | let's see, so it's adding to the nat table and the PREROUTING chain |
| 13:34.59 | nsadmin | right? |
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| 13:35.25 | chot | "sudo iptables -L PREROUTING" just says "No chain/../../ by that name" |
| 13:35.39 | chot | nsadmin: i'm not sure |
| 13:35.53 | eshat | How to I find illegal files (mpvies,torrents,...) on a fileserver (1500 users with 2 TByte Data) ??? An idea for a good search string would also be great... |
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| 13:36.15 | nsadmin | try iptables -t nat -L |
| 13:37.15 | nsadmin | obviously illegal files can have any name |
| 13:37.16 | chot | nsadmin: hm yeah that did print some information |
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| 13:37.40 | nsadmin | so I got that from man iptables |
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| 13:37.53 | nsadmin | the top screen with the SYNOPSIS |
| 13:38.23 | nsadmin | same place I got: iptables -t nat -L PREROUTING |
| 13:39.17 | chot | hm ok |
| 13:39.19 | simonrvn | then you just get people renaming files to hide them.... |
| 13:39.29 | Alterscape | Jelly: Thank you! Turns out there were still a bunch of modules from old kernels kicking around in /lib/modules. Cleared them out and we seem to be good to go. |
| 13:39.39 | nsadmin | and putting them in dirs called... |
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| 13:40.29 | lvh` | hey, I'm trying to mount an encrypted fs created on ubuntu on an external drive under debian |
| 13:40.54 | lvh` | I know it's created using dm-crypt, but I have no idea what the keyfile is supposed to be. |
| 13:40.55 | nsadmin | lvh`: ok |
| 13:41.24 | nsadmin | I dunno, maybe man dm-crypt has info? |
| 13:41.30 | lvh` | I'm trying to use cryptomount to mount that volume; which obviously doesnt work since you need a keyfile. |
| 13:42.15 | nsadmin | since your ubuntu install is working in this regard, you might boot it and look for files it could be there |
| 13:42.33 | lvh` | nsadmin: just did, no luck; should be somewhere in /etc/cryptmount but isn't |
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| 13:43.23 | nsadmin | that's all I have on that |
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| 13:44.00 | Pendrag0n | I just realized an inputrc file, what is the difference in inputrc vs bashrc, and why would I want an inputrc if I had a bashrc file? |
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| 13:44.50 | chot | nsadmin: great, now it works, had some bad rules above the correct one, thanx! |
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| 13:51.20 | eshat | Can I search large files on XFS faster and with less performance instead using find command ? |
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| 13:55.14 | hideo | wtf |
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| 13:55.33 | jelly | broy-: don't |
| 13:55.43 | davidh | trying to figure out how to manually set nameservers but keep the IP information DHCP |
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| 13:55.56 | davidh | it rewrite /etc/resolv.conf on every reboot |
| 13:56.11 | davidh | its for a box on ec2 |
| 13:56.40 | jelly | !tell davidh about resolvconf |
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| 13:57.28 | jelly | !tell davidh about override dns |
| 13:58.01 | broy- | !tell broy- about override dns |
| 13:58.21 | jelly | davidh: did you get the private message from dpkg? |
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| 13:58.46 | davidh | yep, thanks jelly, ill try the override advice |
| 13:59.11 | simonrvn | broy-: f**k off |
| 13:59.32 | hideo | broy-: just CTCP VERSION me |
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| 14:02.14 | jelly | hideo: I did it, instead :-D |
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| 14:04.46 | elif | hi, where I find documentation to learn how to make .deb files ? |
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| 14:05.17 | elif | I mean understand the package creation, I need to get info of license from the packages... |
| 14:06.02 | jelly | elif: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 14:06.26 | davidh | jelly the dhclient.conf is read only, is there a process i need to stop? |
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| 14:06.39 | jelly | davidh: be root. |
| 14:06.48 | davidh | i tried sudo |
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| 14:07.16 | Deathzor | hey guys is it posible for me to do a boot in debian where i initrd boot until i have access to fuse and then use fuse to mount the / ? |
| 14:07.35 | jelly | davidh: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:07.47 | davidh | its ubuntu 10.04 actually |
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| 14:07.53 | jelly | davidh: ask in #ubuntu, then |
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| 14:07.56 | elif | jelly: the bot didn't worked, what is nmg ? |
| 14:08.02 | jelly | !nmg |
| 14:08.03 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 14:08.16 | elif | jelly: thks |
| 14:09.05 | jelly | elif: your nick may have to be registered/identified with freenode to get responses from dpkg, not sure |
| 14:09.45 | elif | jelly: hmm, I think I've register-me long ago :) , not sure, let me try... thks again. |
| 14:10.31 | jelly | elif: well, your current session seems not to be indentified with nickserv |
| 14:10.40 | jelly | identified wither |
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| 14:10.52 | jelly | gives up |
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| 14:11.33 | jelly | davidh: there's a handy sudoedit command btw |
| 14:11.44 | davidh | thanks |
| 14:11.50 | davidh | its working if i su root |
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| 14:13.26 | jelly | I'll stop feeding you advice for Debian, since that may or may not be harmful on a different OS |
| 14:14.05 | danslo | why is python part of even the most minimal debian install? |
| 14:14.41 | nsadmin | python is in the base? |
| 14:14.54 | nsadmin | the base is the most minimal install |
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| 14:15.07 | davidh | nono, please do |
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| 14:15.32 | danslo | nsadmin: apparently it is, it installed python along kernel and other essential parts |
| 14:15.45 | davidh | prolly should be running lenny, but on amazon its not the latest kernel |
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| 14:19.53 | nsadmin | if that's the case, now we have perl, python and a shell in the base... -three- scripting languages when one or two would do nicely |
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| 14:20.54 | nsadmin | and the reason is very likely going to be because some maint wouldn't back down and use what was already in the base |
| 14:21.07 | jelly | danslo: "aptitude why python2.5-minimal" may provide clues |
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| 14:22.35 | nsadmin | hmm. python2.5-minimal depends on python-minimal depends on python |
| 14:22.48 | nsadmin | doesn't sound like it's in the base to me |
| 14:22.50 | Ox90 | can anyone answer me a simple question... Why toy story? |
| 14:23.03 | nsadmin | because pixar used renderman? |
| 14:23.32 | lvh` | nsadmin: for future reference: I figured it out; LUKS partitions contain the keys, so you just needed keyformat=luks; keyfile=/dev/theencryptedpartition; dev=/dev/theencryptedpartition |
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| 14:24.44 | nsadmin | because one of the DPLs worked at pixar |
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| 14:29.10 | geezer | Ugh... All my flash vids suddenly stopped working >_> |
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| 14:31.13 | Ox90 | i wonder if anyone has put any thought into whats next after all the character names have been used :P |
| 14:31.18 | Ox90 | A bugs life? |
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| 14:32.03 | jordanm | Ox90: that will be a very log time... quite a lot of characters |
| 14:32.17 | iceroot | Ox90: first of all, squeeze has to be release and you know how long it take until a new debian release |
| 14:32.52 | geezer | Well, they could always switch to smurf names |
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| 14:33.23 | Ox90 | iceroot, you make a good point lol |
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| 14:40.13 | lvh | hey |
| 14:40.18 | Ox90 | hey |
| 14:40.29 | lvh | does anyone know how I can seed an apt-cacher-ng cache with existing stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 14:40.36 | lvh | is it just a matter of copying the files? |
| 14:40.38 | nsadmin | !heystats |
| 14:40.51 | lvh | I would imagine some kind of index is involved |
| 14:43.45 | lvh | Oh, apparently it does that automagically. Neat! |
| 14:43.51 | Ox90 | http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/html/howtos.html#imp |
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| 14:49.01 | Wilkemann | what's links for driver ethernet broadcom netxtreme II bcm5716 ??? |
| 14:49.22 | Wilkemann | compile new kernel ? |
| 14:49.38 | danslo | what? |
| 14:49.39 | peterS | man anyone who names an ethernet product 'netxtreme' should just be shot |
| 14:49.54 | peterS | I mean how lame is that? does anyone believe a given ethernet chip will give you an extreme network? |
| 14:50.17 | geezer | /qui/quit |
| 14:50.21 | danslo | peterS: hey, don't be mad you didn't get one yourself |
| 14:50.35 | cockroach | ! bcm5716 |
| 14:50.35 | dpkg | [bcm5716] the Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716/BCM5716S Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express network controllers (PCI-IDs 14e4:163b, 14e4:163c). Supported by <bnx2> as of linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <5.0.5>. |
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| 14:51.43 | peterS | danslo: that's totally it |
| 14:51.55 | danslo | ypep |
| 14:51.56 | danslo | yep |
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| 14:54.22 | Wilkemann | debian version 5.0.5 found kernel 2.6.26-22 native? |
| 14:55.08 | jelly | !br |
| 14:55.09 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:56.11 | jelly | Wilkemann: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) |tail -1 -- this command will show your current kernel package version |
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| 14:58.06 | Wilkemann | what's default kernel debian 5.0.5 |
| 14:58.32 | macrobat | ,kernels |
| 14:58.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-17); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 14:59.21 | Wilkemann | thank's |
| 14:59.38 | macrobat | the numbers in () are package versions, right? |
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| 15:00.21 | peterS | yes |
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| 15:17.07 | fubada | hi all, any specific reason to choose debian 5 over ubuntu 10.01 for prod servers |
| 15:17.10 | fubada | im torn |
| 15:17.20 | fubada | when is EOL on deb 5 |
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| 15:17.38 | macrobat | to be decided, i think |
| 15:17.55 | babilen | fubada: one year after the release of squeeze |
| 15:18.00 | fubada | and whens that |
| 15:18.12 | jelly | not determined yet |
| 15:18.12 | fubada | basically id have to dist-upgrade in a month |
| 15:18.34 | babilen | when squeeze is ready (which it is not yet) -- i expect it to be released in the next 8 months |
| 15:18.39 | babilen | !wwsr |
| 15:18.39 | fubada | ok |
| 15:18.39 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 15:18.45 | babilen | fubada: ^^^^ |
| 15:18.49 | fubada | so currently you guys are sportin debian 5 or older? |
| 15:18.53 | jelly | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 15:18.53 | dpkg | ! aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 15:19.46 | macrobat | what can i win? :D |
| 15:19.46 | moldovean | 2011-02-15 |
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| 15:19.55 | babilen | fubada: Lenny (Debian 5) is the current stable release and officially supported in here |
| 15:20.00 | fubada | thanks |
| 15:20.04 | jelly | !tell moldovean about squeeze bet |
| 15:20.44 | jordanm | you can probably remove an already losing vote instead of starting pool 2 |
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| 15:21.07 | jelly | jordanm: and lose betting history?! |
| 15:21.22 | babilen | *the horror!* |
| 15:21.46 | jordanm | no one archives the factoids? |
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| 15:22.15 | jelly | fubada: some of the adventurous people around here may even be running testing or unstable branches of Debian |
| 15:22.58 | jelly | I hope Debian doesn't start getting release more often than 24 months |
| 15:23.25 | jelly | less than 36 months of support is not enough for server usage |
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| 15:24.01 | jordanm | would prefer 5 years but can live with the usual 3 |
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| 15:24.44 | jelly | I'd switch to LTS if I trusted Canonical to have manpower to actually fix bugs :-> |
| 15:24.48 | zeev | Hi, I try to configure my dsl-router in a way that I can connect to my home computer using SSH. I entered the IP of my computer (which I got using ifconfig -a; currently it is connected by wifi to the router) into Advanced Setup->NAT->DMZ Host. I have sshd running on my localhost, which I checked with nmap and conntected to it using ssh client - it works. Now if I try to connect to it like this: ssh <routersIP> -p 22 - I get "Connection refu |
| 15:24.48 | zeev | sed" error... what do I do wrong? thank you... |
| 15:25.17 | jelly | (... and a business plan to be able to keep that manpower) |
| 15:26.11 | jelly | zeev: can you connect to your machine from a different ssh client on your local network? |
| 15:26.40 | jelly | (ie. not from the very same machine) |
| 15:26.48 | jordanm | jelly: a community enterprise os perhaps? |
| 15:26.49 | zeev | I'll check... one second |
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| 15:27.56 | jelly | jordanm: if there was a better fit for that buzzwordness than Debian, yes |
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| 15:28.49 | jordanm | jelly: there is actually an os called that :) |
| 15:29.18 | zeev | jelly: My N900 says - No route to host |
| 15:29.50 | jelly | jordanm: I hope it's not a RHEL clone |
| 15:29.58 | jordanm | hehe :p |
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| 15:31.26 | jelly | zeev: unfortunately I don't know whether that means "problems on your N900" or "problems on your ssh server" |
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| 15:32.33 | zeev | jelly: how can check this? |
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| 15:33.25 | jelly | zeev: does network work at all on your N900? |
| 15:34.07 | jelly | zeev: can you use eg. "telnet your-router-ip 80" to connect to your router's web server |
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| 15:34.35 | jelly | zeev: if you can, try doing "telnet your-debian-machine-ip 22" |
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| 15:37.25 | zeev | jelly: I'm able to ping my laptop from my N900... so what "no route to host" could mean? |
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| 15:38.33 | jelly | zeev: some network equipment in the channel responded with an ICMP message that translates to that "no route to host" message |
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| 15:38.56 | ghisen | Hi I just installed ubuntu and i have a problem that Xorg takes 100% cpu when i, watch i video (same in vlc and totem), playing flash in firefox, even scrolling up and down in firefox. I think its a graphics card problem. I have a Radeon 5770. I tryied both the standard ubuntu driver and the newest catalyst driver. Same problem. I have been googling for like ½ a day and cant find a solution. Any one have any ideas? |
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| 15:39.06 | jelly | zeev: could be local firewall on the laptop, could be the router if you're using its wifi |
| 15:39.33 | jelly | ghisen: #ubuntu is the right channel to ask |
| 15:39.50 | zeev | strange, I managed to connect to it from my N900 (after I changed to root and pinged it and exited root)... |
| 15:40.15 | ghisen | jelly, im not having any luck there.. maybe you know more here and can help me... ubuntu and debian are kinda the same right? |
| 15:40.26 | jelly | ghisen: not same enough. |
| 15:40.45 | zeev | jelly: so I'm able to connect to the ssh server from another local computer... |
| 15:41.36 | jelly | zeev: that's good. it's possible that: DMZ functionality doesn't work well, or that your ISP blocks access to tcp/22 from outside |
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| 15:42.48 | jelly | zeev: instead of that, try setting up an explicit NAT forwarding rule from a different, high tcp port on the outside ip of the router to tcp/22 on the laptop |
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| 15:47.01 | zeev | jelly: which port number do you recommend? |
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| 15:47.44 | jelly | zeev: if I tell you mine I'll have to kill you |
| 15:48.05 | jelly | zeev: 10022 or anything ending with 22 ;-) |
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| 15:49.59 | zeev | jelly: people just told me, that they can reach me from outside, and it is only me who cann't do it :) |
| 15:50.06 | zeev | can you confirm it? |
| 15:50.07 | MaCkX | Waaazzaap |
| 15:50.07 | MaCkX | :D |
| 15:50.20 | fubada | ugh why is openswan install just chilling at Setting up openswan? |
| 15:50.25 | fubada | cntrl-c okay? |
| 15:50.43 | MaCkX | :o |
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| 15:54.33 | ghisen | jelly, i think i found what my problem is.. glxinfo | grep render , outputs OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer, so i do not have any hardware acceleration from the graphics card... any ideas how to fix that? should say something like, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 (RV280 5C61) 20090101 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE TCL DRI2 |
| 15:55.21 | zeev | jelly: can you check whether you get ssh prompt using this: ssh bzq-109-65-7-43.red.bezeqint.net -p 22 |
| 15:55.37 | fantomas | Hi all. I'm on ubuntu actually, but now my problem is not ubuntu related I guess. I asked question here: http://pastebin.ca/1900503 Help please. |
| 15:56.01 | jhutchins_lt | ghisen: No idea, you'd have to ask in #ubuntu. This is #debian. |
| 15:56.33 | jelly | zeev: works for me |
| 15:56.38 | jhutchins_lt | fantomas: You too. This is not #ubuntu, this is #debian. It's a different distribution. |
| 15:56.47 | jelly | zeev: RSA key fingerprint is 55:c1:10:47:b8:8f:8b:80:ef:f2:74:e7:30:3e:78:21. |
| 15:56.52 | zeev | jelly: thanks, then everything is ok.... |
| 15:56.59 | ghisen | jhutchins, i know.. im asking there aswell... thought maybe someone should know.. thanks anyway |
| 15:57.01 | zeev | thank you... |
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| 15:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | !not debian |
| 15:57.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:57.20 | fantomas | jhutchins_lt dude, had you read my question? |
| 15:57.35 | jelly | ghisen: ask in the correct place. If people wish you help with ubuntu issues, they'll join that channel. |
| 15:57.49 | jelly | s/you/to/ |
| 15:57.53 | jhutchins_lt | fantomas: You're welcome to install Debian, we'd be glad to help with that. |
| 15:58.07 | fantomas | jhutchins_lt: I mentioned ubuntu just to be concrete, I could say I'm on Debian - what is the difference? |
| 15:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | fantomas: It's a different distribution. They do things differently. |
| 15:58.30 | jhutchins_lt | fantomas: You might as well ask in #windows. |
| 15:58.37 | fantomas | jhutchins_lt: and, anyway, one half of my ass is on Debian while the rest is on Ubuntu. I have some servers - with Debian, and some Desktops with ubuntu |
| 15:59.11 | fantomas | jhutchins_lt: just come here because I know ppl here have greater experience, this is what I see for last 8 years |
| 15:59.12 | jhutchins_lt | fantomas: Then you should know that they're different distributions, and should know better than to ask questions about Debian in #ubuntu. |
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| 15:59.31 | fantomas | jhutchins_lt: HAVE YOU READ MY QUESTION? Sorry for Caps |
| 15:59.54 | jhutchins_lt | fantomas: Have you read the message from dpkg? Please go away. |
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| 16:00.23 | fantomas | jhutchins_lt: you can free to ignore me, dude. Oh, wait. I can't do it too! |
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| 16:02.26 | fantomas | Ok, now back to question. Looks like linking pastebin doesn't work here, hehe. Ok. I have problem with mounting a HDD parition image, created with dd like: dd if=/dev/sda5 of=sda5.img. Now I can't mount it. More info is here: http://pastebin.ca/1900503 Any ideas? |
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| 16:07.28 | simonrvn | also ignore fantomas |
| 16:08.10 | jordanm | jumps on the ignore fantomas bandwagon |
| 16:08.32 | simonrvn | *s |
| 16:08.45 | simonrvn | i missed an s ^_^ |
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| 16:11.40 | simonrvn | wow, such an original nick |
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| 16:12.11 | simonrvn | !ops Hurricane2 |
| 16:12.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: Hurricane2 |
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| 16:12.47 | simonrvn | and the other one ;) |
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| 16:13.08 | simonrvn | woot woot |
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| 16:20.05 | simonrvn | um, don't re-post the spam... |
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| 16:20.21 | simonrvn | you just help them by doing that. |
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| 16:20.37 | themill | pawelpaja: thanks for reporting, but please don't post the URL |
| 16:20.46 | pawelpaja | well sorry |
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| 16:21.23 | pawelpaja | next time i will remove link |
| 16:21.40 | simonrvn | just report it, like themill said |
| 16:22.29 | fubada | whats the best way to get jdk6 on debian? apt-get install sun-java6-jdk or from oracle.com? |
| 16:22.48 | cthuluh | use your package manager |
| 16:23.11 | cthuluh | by the way, you have the openjdk which is free (no EULA) |
| 16:23.57 | fantomas | simonrvn: a guy from #linux pointed my to possible problem. I was booting from different hdds today, and when was creating the image, I made it for MOUNTED device. This looks incorrect, so now I'm recreating image. Now tell please, how the hell this is Ubuntu related? You guys are strange |
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| 16:24.19 | fantomas | simonrvn: and even if you don't read that, I don't care. The others see |
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| 16:25.20 | fantomas | I have almost 10 years of linux administration experience, and I suppose I can see the difference in distribution in many cases. |
| 16:26.00 | fantomas | If I ask a question here, and say - its not distro related - then why you don't even try to read my question? |
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| 16:26.08 | themill | fantomas: please go to #ubuntu. The volunteers here are in this channel to help debian users with debian problems. |
| 16:26.10 | fantomas | This is just ignorant |
| 16:26.17 | jordanm | fantomas: we are in #debian because we wish to support debian users with debian. if we wanted to support ubuntu/debian users with some arbituary problem in ubuntu, you might find us in #ubuntu or #linux |
| 16:26.58 | cthuluh | fantomas: the point is that if we answered to the questions of all ubuntu users, half the questions asked here would be asked by... ubuntu users |
| 16:26.58 | jordanm | realizes his ignore didn't work |
| 16:27.12 | zebradog | feels like fantomas thinks i'm not noticing his #linux question |
| 16:27.15 | fantomas | jordanm: I told above that my servers runs debian. I am debian user |
| 16:27.17 | zebradog | lol |
| 16:27.24 | zebradog | i told him not to bother in #linux |
| 16:27.25 | fantomas | zebradog: thanks again man |
| 16:28.33 | jordanm | fantomas: because I run centos on my bind9 server, doesn't mean I can ask #centos about my image mounting problem in debian |
| 16:28.41 | fantomas | cthuluh: heh, what about ppl running servers on debian and desktops on ubuntu? have they right to ask question about for example ftp'ing? :) |
| 16:29.10 | themill | fantomas: please move along now. |
| 16:29.14 | PinkFreud | fantomas: if it's an issue with a package on the client end, you'll be told to ask in #ubuntu |
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| 16:30.04 | PinkFreud | fantomas: instead of whining about the perceived injustice, why not just /join #ubuntu and ask your question? you'll very likely have it answered far quicker that way. |
| 16:30.05 | fantomas | PinkFreud: everything is packaged ;) |
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| 16:30.30 | zebradog | ouch |
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| 16:30.34 | zebradog | lol |
| 16:30.39 | fantomas | PinkFreud: of _course_ I did it first. |
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| 16:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's multitasking... asking and whining in one go :) |
| 16:31.31 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: *snerk* |
| 16:31.37 | fantomas | Ok. Anyway, thanks :) Thanks to zebradog who left, he is debian user and he helped I think, even being joint #linux :) |
| 16:32.22 | jordanm | which was an appropriate place... |
| 16:32.27 | fantomas | true |
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| 16:33.11 | PinkFreud | fantomas: while we're at it, I'm having an issue with rpm on CentOS. I use Debian on most of my servers, and Debian has an rpm package, so you'll be able to help me out, right? :) |
| 16:33.15 | PinkFreud | coughs. |
| 16:33.17 | PinkFreud | grins. |
| 16:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | come on... move along... nothing to see here... |
| 16:34.06 | fantomas | PinkFreud: after you `alien' it, I think - yes :) |
| 16:34.47 | PinkFreud | you only need alien if you're converting from one package type to another. :) |
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| 16:35.24 | jhutchins_lt | Ten years of driving a bus does not qualify you to drive in NASCAR. |
| 16:36.09 | PinkFreud | jhutchins_lt: you sure? Have you see how some of those bus drivers *drive*? |
| 16:36.12 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 16:36.55 | BlueG | xorg is locking up for me on Lenny using the intel driver for the 82845G/GL chipset. It says "space: 24 wanted 32" and "Fatal server error: lockup". It does the same if I use Xorg -configure to generate and xorg.conf and change the driver to i810. vesa doesn't lockup, but produces strange artifacts and most of the screen is unusable. |
| 16:37.14 | BlueG | How can I go about diagnosing and fixing this? |
| 16:37.48 | jordanm | BlueG: what kernel? |
| 16:37.56 | jelly-hme | BlueG: pastebin your xorg logs and xorg.conf if existing |
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| 16:38.22 | jordanm | isn't that the card that has issues with the new KMS? |
| 16:38.35 | jelly-hme | lenny doesn't do kms. |
| 16:38.37 | aleray | hi, what package should I install to autmount volumes on plug ? |
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| 16:39.12 | BlueG | jordanm: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:39.12 | jordanm | autofs? |
| 16:39.26 | jordanm | BlueG: alright, paste the logs jelly-hme asked for |
| 16:39.40 | aleray | (like on ubuntu where volumes get mounted on /media ) |
| 16:39.55 | jelly-hme | aleray: it should be working if you're using gnome |
| 16:39.58 | themill | dpkg: tell aleray about automount |
| 16:40.03 | jordanm | aleray: nautiulus should mount it when you click on the device like that |
| 16:40.21 | jordanm | also thunar in xfce works similar |
| 16:40.39 | aleray | I'm running awesome wm |
| 16:40.49 | aleray | I don't have gnome installed |
| 16:40.51 | BlueG | isn't there a package for conveniently pastebining log and config files from the command line? |
| 16:40.53 | jelly-hme | jordanm: not autofs (at least, not without significant extra scripting) |
| 16:41.00 | aleray | (but have thunar) |
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| 16:41.46 | jordanm | jelly-hme: that was just my guess based on an aptitude search, and why I added the "?" |
| 16:41.54 | Bushmills | usbmount or hotplug should do |
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| 16:42.06 | jelly-hme | I see the automount factoid is already referring to usbmount and ivman, so... yeah |
| 16:42.14 | aleray | themill, thanks I read dpkg's advices |
| 16:42.21 | jelly-hme | Bushmills: hotplug by itself? |
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| 16:42.47 | Bushmills | i tihnk i got the package name wrong, as there isn't any package with that name |
| 16:43.26 | jelly-hme | ole hotplug got replaced by udev |
| 16:43.28 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Might be able to configure hald to do it. |
| 16:43.32 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Er, udev. |
| 16:43.44 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: how? |
| 16:44.06 | jhutchins_lt | Udev generally triggers an action on a device connect event, have it trigger a mount. |
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| 16:44.17 | jelly-hme | "how" |
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| 16:44.38 | jelly-hme | or do you expect a random user to handle udev rules writing |
| 16:44.40 | BlueG | pastebinit is simply returning the url "http://pastebin.com" |
| 16:44.42 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, well, details, details... |
| 16:44.48 | aleray | halevt seems to be the best option |
| 16:44.56 | aleray | any experience with it ? |
| 16:44.57 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: yeah, well, useful advice, useful advice |
| 16:45.30 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: It does seem that udev is getting a bit better documented and standardized, so figuring it out shouldn't be THAT hard. |
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| 16:45.38 | jelly-hme | only tried the other two, usbmount (awful polling thing) and ivman (had permissions issues, usbmount worked better) :-D |
| 16:46.05 | jhutchins_lt | hald-add-storage is always eating my CPU cycles trying to mount the CD. |
| 16:46.07 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: if it can't fit into a factoid, it's too complicated |
| 16:46.12 | Bushmills | usbmount has some udev rules, straddling it. |
| 16:47.03 | aleray | does usbmount works with firewire as well? |
| 16:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | In fact, hald-addon-storage is polling /dev/hdd, which does not exist. |
| 16:49.40 | BlueG | jelly-hme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463600/ |
| 16:49.59 | BlueG | please nobody shoot me for using the ubuntu pastebin |
| 16:50.06 | jelly-hme | why would they |
| 16:50.12 | jhutchins_lt | BlueG: No prob. |
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| 16:50.43 | jelly-hme | BlueG: that's quite useless I'm afraid |
| 16:51.13 | jelly-hme | BlueG: I was hoping for one where X worked and hung |
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| 16:55.44 | joshua1 | debian sucks... where's the fedora crowd? |
| 16:55.46 | joshua1 | :) |
| 16:55.49 | jhutchins_lt | Don't suppose anybody knows where the rules for hald-addon-storage are? |
| 16:56.00 | BlueG | jelly-hme: oops, sorry, I pasted the wrong one, I'll get the right one up in a minute |
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| 16:56.41 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: possibly just restarting hal would "fix" it |
| 16:56.49 | jmeeuwen | joshua1, stfu, debian rules, but i'm right here ;-) |
| 16:57.12 | BlueG | jelly-hme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463604/ should be what you are looking for |
| 16:57.39 | MaCkX | :s |
| 16:57.52 | jelly-hme | joshua1: debian's (rough) equivalent of a spec file is called debian/rules in a source tree |
| 16:58.08 | joshua1 | I know it. Just testin the waters here. |
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| 16:58.25 | jelly-hme | joshua1: fedora has no such subliminal messages |
| 16:58.30 | jmeeuwen | how kind of you joshua1 ... :/ |
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| 16:59.08 | BlueG | joshua1: I assume the fedora crowd is in #fedora, lol |
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| 16:59.36 | BlueG | and if channel population is any indication, debian is about twice as popular :-p |
| 16:59.55 | MaCkX | :S |
| 17:00.09 | jordanm | I would guess more than that |
| 17:00.11 | jelly-hme | BlueG: do you require 3D functionality? |
| 17:00.34 | BlueG | jelly-hme: I don't believe so |
| 17:00.50 | jelly-hme | BlueG: if not, see if getting rid of libgl1-mesa-dri package or disabling dri in xorg.conf results in a more stable xorg |
| 17:00.56 | jordanm | jelly-hme: I would think that the entire debian/ tree would be the specfile equiv, not just debian/rules |
| 17:01.25 | jelly-hme | jordanm: that's what the "rough" qualification is there for |
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| 17:01.57 | jmeeuwen | BlueG, "since 1993" vs. "since 2003", and "stable" vs. "engineering release" also play a part in that difference ;-) |
| 17:01.59 | BlueG | the odd thing here is I have another machine with the same graphics chipset running Lenny with no problems... |
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| 17:03.30 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: This appears to be a discussion of getting hal to automount a USB device: http://forums.freebsd.org/archive/index.php/t-987.html |
| 17:04.20 | BlueG | jelly-hme: comment out 'Load "dri"'? Or just 'Option "DRI" "False"'? |
| 17:04.46 | jelly-hme | BlueG: both, just to be one the safe side? :-) |
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| 17:06.37 | jelly-hme | BlueG: this is really just guesswork on my side; that lockup and preceding I830WaitLpRing error seem vaguely dri related, but then it could be I've only seen i915GM crashing in dri |
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| 17:07.37 | aleray | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
| 17:07.49 | BlueG | jelly-hme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463608/ |
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| 17:09.28 | jelly-hme | :-( |
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| 17:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | Wow. hal-disable-polling --device /dev/scd0 writes a file that disables polling for that device. Cool. |
| 17:09.49 | jelly-hme | BlueG: next station #debian-x on irc.oftc.net, or try #xorg here |
| 17:10.21 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: but but, your cd/dvd won't get automounted any more |
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| 17:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | It doesn't get automounted anyway, just pops up an annoying action window every time I accidentally bump the eject button. |
| 17:11.11 | craigevil | BlueG: not sure if it will help but this was my xorg.conf when i was using my onboard intel> http://paste.debian.net/80440/ rarely had any problems |
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| 17:12.36 | craigevil | intel should work without a xorg.conf |
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| 17:13.21 | jelly-hme | well, his seems to lock up with or without one :-> |
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| 17:14.03 | BlueG | that is the weird thing, the same chipset on another Lenny machine is working fine |
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| 17:14.19 | BlueG | the other machine is reunning a newer kernel from backports |
| 17:14.26 | craigevil | if he was on testing or sid i would say it was kms causing the problem, but afaik lenny doesnt have kms |
| 17:14.40 | neeraj_ | Hi, I am new to debian, on starting it I just get debian login in terminal type window |
| 17:14.43 | jhutchins_lt | BlueG: Any reason not to upgrade this kernel? |
| 17:14.52 | neeraj_ | how can I resume normal graphical session |
| 17:14.56 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Excellent! |
| 17:15.06 | BlueG | also, it has an update available for the intel driver, but I'm afraid to install it partly on the off chance that it may be responsible for the xserver lockups on this machine |
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| 17:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: What kind of graphical environment do you want? What did you follow for your install? |
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| 17:16.02 | neeraj_ | I installed it normally, but just a while ago I used power off method to close it :( |
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| 17:16.44 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: There are a lot of different "normally"s but in any case, you used to have a GUI and now you don't? |
| 17:16.56 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt, I hope u got what I am trying to say.. |
| 17:17.06 | jelly-hme | BlueG: update? dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel | tail -1 ? |
| 17:17.17 | neeraj_ | jhutchins, yeah :) |
| 17:17.52 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: First thing I would suggest would be to shutdown -Fr now to cause the system to check the disk, you've probably corrupted some files. |
| 17:17.55 | BlueG | jhutchins_lt: I was thinking about trying it. I had intended to keep it purely stable, but x seems to be completely broken, so... |
| 17:18.06 | k||t | REISUB! |
| 17:18.09 | jhutchins_lt | bpo is pretty stable. |
| 17:18.27 | jelly-hme | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:18.27 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt, doing that.. |
| 17:18.31 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny7; sid: 2:2.9.1-4; squeeze: 2:2.9.1-4; experimental: 2:2.12.0-1 |
| 17:18.41 | jelly-hme | ooh, 2.12 |
| 17:18.45 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: What's the package to reconfigure with dpkg for X? |
| 17:18.59 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 17:19.11 | jelly-hme | (there is none, not any more) |
| 17:19.23 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt,-bash shut downcommand not found |
| 17:19.26 | jordanm | xserver-xorg, but it only does mouse + keyobard in lenny |
| 17:19.39 | neeraj_ | I guess I have to run it in recovery mode. |
| 17:20.09 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Has to be done as root. |
| 17:20.27 | jhutchins_lt | /sbin/shutdown |
| 17:21.48 | jhutchins_lt | wishes that dpkg had a check-installed-packages option like RPM -V |
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| 17:22.34 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: After you've done that you'll want to check things like /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see why X isn't starting. You'll probably have to reinstall some packages. |
| 17:22.38 | jelly-hme | debsums are only optional |
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| 17:22.46 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt shutdown -Fr 1 worked |
| 17:22.50 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Do you know what filesystem was on that disk? |
| 17:22.52 | neeraj_ | I mean running |
| 17:22.57 | jhutchins_lt | xlnt |
| 17:23.21 | BlueG | jelly-hme: yes, this machine that isn't working has the latest lenny version of the intel driver, while the one that is working is still running the lenny6 version |
| 17:23.51 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: Excellent! |
| 17:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: install debsums and use it to check the installation for broken packages, reinstall them. |
| 17:24.13 | jelly-hme | BlueG: well you can try using the old one. |
| 17:24.16 | jelly-hme | !sdo |
| 17:24.16 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:24.22 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt chechking root file system, I used recommended settings, |
| 17:25.02 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Do you know what filesystem was on that disk? |
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| 17:25.36 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt: actually I m trying testing iso on Vm |
| 17:26.03 | neeraj_ | I used recommended settings while installing, formated the whole disk space allocated to vm |
| 17:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Hm. Not sure what that works out as. ext3 should have handled an arbitrary shutdown better. |
| 17:27.10 | neeraj_ | install debsums is saying missing destination operand |
| 17:28.31 | themill | neeraj_: he meant that you should install the debsums package ("aptitude install debsums") |
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| 17:29.27 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: try debsums -ca |
| 17:29.50 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Ah, yes, what themill said. |
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| 17:31.07 | jhutchins_lt | I love that if I say something like "I wish Debian had..." a few times here, someone will tell me that Debian DOES have that, here's how. |
| 17:31.10 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt, now after installing should I run debsums -ca |
| 17:31.22 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Yes, I think that will be helpful |
| 17:31.52 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: It will take a while, it's going to check ALL of the installed packages. |
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| 17:32.56 | neeraj_ | jhutchins I was trying my hand on "aptitude" command which list info about various package |
| 17:33.00 | k1ng | can anyone help me to setup dhcpd3-server please? i am a newbie |
| 17:33.11 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: It will report "no md5sums for" for a bunch of packages, you can worry about those later, get the ones that have them first. |
| 17:33.20 | neeraj_ | I guess I interrupted the process and it is punishing me for that :P |
| 17:33.38 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt, yes for some packages about 9 |
| 17:33.51 | neeraj_ | should I tell u the name of these packages? |
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| 17:35.22 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: No, you need to look at the files that are listed as changed and see which of those might be causing X not to start. Also look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: For me, it's only listing config files I know I've changed. |
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| 17:37.31 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt, permission denied |
| 17:37.37 | neeraj_ | I m using root |
| 17:37.58 | neeraj_ | *trying it as a root |
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| 17:38.58 | neeraj_ | ok able to see it now |
| 17:41.21 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt, its a vary long while |
| 17:41.38 | neeraj_ | what exactly I should try to find in it? |
| 17:42.30 | jhutchins_lt | It's listing files that have changed since they were installed. If those files aren't configuration files you have changed, you should probably reinstall the package for that file. |
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| 17:43.37 | jordanm | iirc, it doesn't check config files by default |
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| 17:45.53 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: -ac does |
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| 17:50.14 | BlueG | ok, so its not the updated intel driver causing the problem... downgrading didn't fix it |
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| 17:51.41 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_it : I think I lost u :(.. NM, I am re-installing the testing iso again |
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| 17:52.44 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_it Can u tell me the recommended settings, I will mainly do packaging and test them on debian.. so that I can push it into git |
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| 17:54.09 | jordanm | neeraj_: recommended settings for what? |
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| 17:54.27 | jordanm | what kind of packages? |
| 17:55.13 | neeraj_ | jordanm sugar activity packages.. mainly use of commands like git, buildnewpackage ssh and all other things |
| 17:55.34 | vallhalla | can anyone here please advise me on the best way to setup multiseat? |
| 17:55.46 | neeraj_ | while installing there is an option of advance install, so should I choose that |
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| 17:58.05 | jordanm | neeraj_: typically, no. what issues were you having? I only caught pieces of the troubleshooting jhutchins_lt was helping you with, but it sounded like a botched upgrade |
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| 18:00.02 | neeraj_ | jordanm,I am unable to see GUI, I think this is happening because i aborted a installation process and used power off method to turn off the machine |
| 18:00.12 | craigevil | !tell neeraj_ about grounding |
| 18:00.21 | neeraj_ | debsums -ca is showing md5 error for 5 packages |
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| 18:01.42 | vallhalla | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.12 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: I would now reinstall those packages. Does any of them have something to do with the GUI? |
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| 18:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: You are sure those are not just config files? |
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| 18:04.15 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_it, I tried reinstalling but binutils,doc-debian,g++,installation report, libdb4.5 and liblockfile1 are still giving md5 error |
| 18:04.57 | jhutchins_lt | None of that should affcet the gui. |
| 18:05.01 | jkprg | Hi guys. Does anyone know why Adobe Flash 10.1 is slow? Is it flash issue or xorg driver ? Thx |
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| 18:05.18 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: I think the next step is to do aptitude -f install and look at what packages it suggests. |
| 18:05.19 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_it, wait I am removing all these |
| 18:05.25 | neeraj_ | I will get back to u asap |
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| 18:09.06 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt, debsums -ca is not showing no package but the gui problem is still there |
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| 18:10.19 | neeraj_ | s/no package/any package |
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| 18:16.27 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Well, you fixed some things but not all things. Since you were in the middle of an upgrade, I'd focus on that - although /var/log/Xorg.0.log, which I do keep pointing you to, might say exactly what's wrong, or not. |
| 18:16.46 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj_: Since you interrupted an upgrade: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 18:19.06 | Fare | what is the correct channel for help with packaging? I'm having trouble using git-buildpackage for an update to cl-asdf... |
| 18:19.16 | jordanm | !mentors |
| 18:19.16 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 18:20.33 | Fare | hum. Invite-only channel. How do I get invited? |
| 18:20.36 | craigevil | jkprg: try turning off hardware acceleration, could also be the browser |
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| 18:21.06 | craigevil | Fare: its on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:21.16 | jordanm | Fare: you join the one on the correct server |
| 18:21.29 | Fare | doh. |
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| 18:21.40 | jkprg | craigevil: thx. I've tried but no luck :-( I'm using webkit based browser... |
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| 18:23.57 | craigevil | jkprg: which one? works fine here in midori, uzbl and Chrome |
| 18:24.44 | craigevil | jkprg: could be ram or video issue, try a different browser |
| 18:24.57 | Fare | thanks |
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| 18:26.23 | jkprg | craigevil: the one from webkit package - test browser. I'll try different one. The problem is that I'm using celeron 600MHz with 855GM so I see every small performance degradation |
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| 18:30.00 | neeraj_ | jhutchins_lt, thanks u time and effort but now I m installing it again :) |
| 18:30.06 | neeraj_ | *ur |
| 18:31.10 | samuel_ir | Hi everybody |
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| 18:32.42 | samuel_ir | I'm daemonizing a bash script and I would like make it create a pid file. What's the best way to manage pid file? |
| 18:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj: Well, that's one way... did you try the aptitude -f install? |
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| 18:36.13 | neeraj | jhutchins_it no as removing those packages removed md5 errors |
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| 18:40.27 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj: Ah, well, that command might have recovered from the interrupted upgrade. I would have started there if I had realized that's what the problem was. |
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| 18:41.46 | neeraj | jhutchins_it no worries.. I will get back to you as soon as I finish installing it as I was facing problem while installing some packages |
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| 18:44.07 | jhutchins_lt | neeraj: Just ask whoever's around. I'm not nearly the best here, I've only been running Debian for a couple of years and I learn something new every day. |
| 18:44.42 | neeraj | jhutchins_lt, sure :) |
| 18:45.06 | neeraj | jhutchins_lt, appreciate your support |
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| 18:45.24 | jordanm | neeraj: Sugar Etoys Activity -- is that you? |
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| 18:47.16 | neeraj | jordanm, no.. we are not original author/developer of the activity.. |
| 18:47.56 | jordanm | neeraj: ah, well, I didn't know what you were talking about at first, but someone just filed an ITP on that |
| 18:48.06 | neeraj | jordanm, I am just starting as an maintainer.. |
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| 18:48.25 | neeraj | yes, my friend has filled itp for that.. I knw :) |
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| 18:48.51 | starman27 | hey everybody, just a quick question there |
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| 18:49.08 | starman27 | does anybody know a good single player linux console game that is in the debian repo? |
| 18:50.26 | jordanm | starman27: nethack? |
| 18:50.51 | craigevil | nethack, pacman4console, ninvaders |
| 18:50.59 | petemc | moon-buggy |
| 18:51.07 | petemc | fsvo good |
| 18:51.22 | starman27 | @jordanm: Interesting suggestion, i was searching for an action game though |
| 18:51.42 | starman27 | Thanks pete and craigevil |
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| 18:52.11 | starman27 | I hope they work over ssh :) |
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| 18:52.25 | craigevil | starman27: install bsdgames |
| 18:53.57 | starman27 | how do i start pacman4console? |
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| 18:54.31 | petemc | pac<tab> |
| 18:54.45 | starman27 | oh, ok "/usr/games" is not in the path |
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| 18:56.42 | robs1 | Greetings all |
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| 18:57.23 | PinkFreud | _2: ahh, yes. nothing quite so intelligent as ircing as root, eh? |
| 18:57.25 | PinkFreud | !root |
| 18:57.26 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 18:57.49 | PinkFreud | snerks |
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| 18:59.35 | fxiny | again ? |
| 18:59.49 | PinkFreud | yep. |
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| 19:00.32 | PinkFreud | !tell PinkFreud about squeeze bet |
| 19:00.40 | fxiny | ckecks the satellite for the incoming austrian invasion |
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| 19:01.02 | fxiny | some mlists are funny , lately ... ;) |
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| 19:01.12 | _2_ | USER=root bitchx -bn _2 irc.freenode.net |
| 19:01.17 | _2_ | anyway... |
| 19:01.27 | fxiny | bitchx zurgs |
| 19:01.34 | jordanm | !bitchx |
| 19:01.34 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. |
| 19:01.43 | _2_ | any thoughts on why lenny would hang if on battery power? |
| 19:01.54 | jordanm | s/known security issues/infamous security issues/ |
| 19:02.15 | _2_ | security my ass. dick heads. |
| 19:02.19 | PinkFreud | _2_: Yes, you can set your username to root. Why would you want to? |
| 19:02.21 | fxiny | yeahh , that's how i started playing with jail |
| 19:02.32 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 19:02.38 | starman27 | "Would you like to play a game?" - lol |
| 19:02.50 | starman27 | (/usr/games/wargames) |
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| 19:04.23 | fxiny | wargames ? melvin rulez : go right throug falken's maze :P |
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| 19:04.44 | fxiny | best nerd ever |
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| 19:04.53 | RCP | starman27 LOL I was just playing that |
| 19:05.03 | joshua1 | starman27: Are you still talking console games? |
| 19:05.52 | fxiny | look : joshua , wargames day ! |
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| 19:06.47 | jelly-hme | how about a nice game of chess instead |
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| 19:07.03 | fxiny | no way , lasty i play with it cheated |
| 19:07.11 | fxiny | i removed it |
| 19:07.40 | jelly-hme | telnet to a chess server and play against hoomons |
| 19:07.49 | joshua1 | Bos Wars is fun. A c&c like game |
| 19:08.02 | fxiny | c&c ++ |
| 19:08.07 | starman27 | joshua1: yes :) |
| 19:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what if I do want to play nuclear war instead? |
| 19:08.33 | starman27 | The bsd-tetris could be better, but it's ok |
| 19:08.45 | starman27 | Thermo nuclear war, that would be :) |
| 19:08.52 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: ask melvin how to get the pass :P |
| 19:09.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't need to... it's always the guys sons name |
| 19:09.18 | jelly-hme | starman27: there's no tetris like tetris.exe; dunno how well dosemu works these days |
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| 19:09.36 | fxiny | he worked it out by himself :P |
| 19:09.46 | jelly-hme | I didnae say dosbox because... console |
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| 19:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didnae? |
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| 19:10.14 | jelly-hme | aye |
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| 19:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | naughty |
| 19:11.07 | starman27 | jelly-hme: Don't know about dosemu, but dosbox should work fine |
| 19:11.12 | starman27 | Actually, I like Tetris DS most |
| 19:11.38 | starman27 | jelly-hme: Sorry, overread your dosbox comment |
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| 19:17.17 | starman27 | anyway |
| 19:17.23 | starman27 | I'm off, thanks for the gaming suggestions |
| 19:17.27 | starman27 | Bye all |
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| 19:20.27 | ravi | hi, I can't paste text into a java applet based chat, I can type text but can't paste, a blank box comes instead |
| 19:20.44 | ravi | how to paste text into a java applet? |
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| 19:21.07 | aleray | hi, I'm looking for installing plone on squeeze, is there a repository for it? (it's not in aptitude right now) |
| 19:22.00 | wash | ANyone know why the gcc cross compiler mips package is unavailable? I can't seem to find it any repository. I'm pretty sure it exists, there are packages with dependencies on it... |
| 19:22.28 | jelly-hme | ravi: ctrl-v? |
| 19:23.16 | ravi | tried, get a box instead of text |
| 19:23.19 | jelly-hme | ravi: and use a tool that copies into X clipboard, not the X primary selection |
| 19:23.30 | ravi | ahh nice idea |
| 19:23.39 | ravi | any tool, do you recommend? |
| 19:23.51 | jelly-hme | eg. Ctrl-C in gedit or any gtk app that has ctrl-c for Copy |
| 19:24.13 | ravi | err instead of selecting through left click? |
| 19:24.16 | jelly-hme | (including the browser itself in the url or search box) |
| 19:24.21 | jelly-hme | ravi: indeed |
| 19:24.23 | ravi | well tried that |
| 19:24.27 | ravi | didn't work |
| 19:24.34 | jelly-hme | did you ctrl-c it? |
| 19:24.38 | ravi | yes |
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| 19:24.54 | jelly-hme | oh well, I have no other ideas |
| 19:25.05 | joshua1 | ravi: shift + insert? |
| 19:25.13 | ravi | thanks for the help jelly-hme |
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| 19:25.25 | ravi | hmm... will try that joshua1 |
| 19:25.52 | ravi | no not working |
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| 19:37.54 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions plone |
| 19:37.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'plone' was found. |
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| 19:39.13 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: tell yourself about search |
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| 19:40.30 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: We're cool, but thanks. |
| 19:40.45 | jelly-home | I'm rather hot |
| 19:41.42 | jhutchins_lt | PHP CMS systems are often better maintained outside the distro's package manager because of updates and modules, and since they're usually just scripts under a common folder the package manager is only marginally usefull. |
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| 19:42.36 | jelly-home | yeah, upstream usually invents their own update system |
| 19:43.12 | jhutchins_lt | Drupal's procedure is basically "dismantle your entire site, install the new version, rebuild". |
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| 19:44.07 | jelly-home | do they call it the infamous "no upgrade procedure" procedure? |
| 19:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, tell yourself about selftell |
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| 19:44.27 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: why? |
| 19:44.29 | jhutchins_lt | Heck, I just keep a window open for dpkg. |
| 19:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | <jelly-home> jhutchins_lt: tell yourself about search |
| 19:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
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| 19:44.46 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: and that was for a reason |
| 19:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know |
| 19:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just trying to be witty |
| 19:45.10 | jelly-home | you need an excuse |
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| 19:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I need a job |
| 19:45.38 | jelly-home | !comfort CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:45.38 | dpkg | There, there, CutMeOwnThroat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | or 2 million bucks would do as well |
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| 19:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | The advantage of judd is that it's cross-release. |
| 19:47.26 | aleray | what happened to xpdf in squeeze ? |
| 19:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Newer tools? |
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| 19:51.24 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: but it doesn't find plone packages if they're named zope-plone3 |
| 19:51.56 | op_amp | hi all, how to install synaptic in debian? I am running aptitude install synaptic but is not working |
| 19:52.27 | jelly-home | op_amp: pastebin the complete output of that command |
| 19:52.45 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 19:52.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:53.00 | jelly-home | !doesn't work |
| 19:53.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 19:53.07 | craigevil | if it is a new install my guess is he only has security and volatile in his sources.list |
| 19:53.41 | jelly-home | craigevil: a known bug in d-i? |
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| 19:54.19 | craigevil | if there is no network connection when you install the 'main' stable repo gets commented |
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| 19:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did happen to xpdf in squeeze? |
| 19:56.03 | op_amp | craigevil: yes its a fresh install.. Where can I add other resources? I can not find Update Sources in system->administrator as in Ubuntu |
| 19:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I hate it when they go and ask rethorical questions without telling what it was all about |
| 19:56.12 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: a mystery! |
| 19:56.24 | jelly-home | ,versions xpdf |
| 19:56.26 | judd | xpdf -- etch: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-security: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-backports: 3.02-1.4~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; sid: 3.02-2 |
| 19:56.27 | craigevil | op_amp: edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
| 19:56.49 | jelly-home | !tell aleray about why is xpdf not in testing |
| 19:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | aleray, well, what happend... go ahead and tell us aleray! |
| 19:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, already |
| 19:57.19 | jelly-home | I wonder... |
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| 19:57.27 | jelly-home | !why xpdf is not in testing |
| 19:57.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... right, it isn't |
| 19:57.28 | dpkg | xpdf is not in testing for the reasons list in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xpdf |
| 19:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't see it |
| 19:57.35 | babilen | op_amp: What does not work? You can easily find the package by search (aptitude search synaptics) which will lead you to "xserver-xorg-input-synpatics". After you've installed that package you can read "man synaptics" ... But what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 19:57.49 | jelly-home | alright, so I could have had decent grammar in that !tell |
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| 19:57.54 | aleray | ok I see |
| 19:57.59 | babilen | !tell op_amp -about synaptics |
| 19:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 19:58.22 | aleray | plone depends on it for pdf indexing, but anyway I will use lenny for the server |
| 19:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand that page |
| 19:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm using xpdf all the time on lenny... |
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| 19:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's xpdf-utils |
| 19:59.07 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: RC bugs keep it away |
| 19:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | xpdf is just a meta package? |
| 19:59.10 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: and testing != lenny ;) |
| 19:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is |
| 19:59.36 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Or am I the victim of a big misunderstanding here? |
| 19:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, I was aware of that... you weren't aware of my implications... |
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| 19:59.55 | babilen | Obviously not ... :) |
| 20:00.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, if and when I upgrade to squeeze, I'd dearly miss xpdf |
| 20:00.01 | op_amp | craigevil: what url should I add? apart from securtiry.. |
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| 20:00.13 | craigevil | op_amp: paste your sources.list |
| 20:00.21 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: The RC bugs might be fixed until then ... |
| 20:00.27 | gravaera | Wow, this is quite a large channel. |
| 20:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not installable... |
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| 20:00.43 | gravaera | Anyway, I tried Ubuntu, and loved it |
| 20:00.47 | gravaera | And I want to try Debian |
| 20:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that bug should be trivial to fix - by a divert or in the worst case by removing xpdf2ppm (which isn't too useful anyway) |
| 20:00.57 | gravaera | Since I assume it's less bloated |
| 20:01.08 | gravaera | But I'm just screwed, so... |
| 20:01.16 | jelly-home | !ops broy- doing a second CTCP VERSION to the channel today |
| 20:01.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: broy- doing a second CTCP VERSION to the channel today |
| 20:01.21 | gravaera | When I collect my thoughts, I'll ask a proper question. |
| 20:01.35 | op_amp | babilen: I am trying to install synaptic package manager |
| 20:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, herehttp://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2010/06/msg00030.html |
| 20:02.32 | babilen | op_amp: Ah, ok. What happens if you run "aptitude install synaptic" on the command line? |
| 20:02.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh noes, they switched to poppler |
| 20:02.44 | jelly-home | op_amp: please pastebin the complete output of the aptitude command, and also your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 20:03.13 | aguitel | anyone know if squeeze will become stable in august ? |
| 20:03.23 | jelly-home | aguitel: it won't |
| 20:03.49 | jelly-home | !tell aguitel about rc bugs |
| 20:04.05 | jelly-home | aguitel: look at the rc bugs graphs and draw your conclusions. |
| 20:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | aleray, ^^^ |
| 20:04.30 | aguitel | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 20:05.15 | op_amp | jelly-home: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463676/ |
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| 20:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | bad decision, there :( |
| 20:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's other viewers based on poppler, but I liked xpdf |
| 20:06.07 | aleray | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry I was away |
| 20:06.13 | babilen | op_amp: Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy synaptic" as well ... |
| 20:06.20 | jelly-home | uses that kde thingy... okular now after kpdf died |
| 20:06.30 | aleray | for desktop needs epdfview is a good and lightweight replacement |
| 20:06.50 | op_amp | http://paste.ubuntu.com/463677/ source.list |
| 20:06.52 | craigevil | likes okular it remembers the page i was on |
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| 20:07.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, that could/should have gone via xpdf-legacy and xpdf-poppler... phasing out xpdf-legacy when it shows that xpdf-poppler works just as well |
| 20:07.33 | webPragmatist | why doesn't the debian httpd prefix "default" with a 0 or something useful that actually makes it default |
| 20:07.36 | gravaera | Hi, if I want to compile drivers for debian, what do I need to do? |
| 20:07.37 | babilen | op_amp: Ok, thank you. No need for the other two commands. You are missing repositories in your sources.list |
| 20:07.54 | babilen | !tell op_amp -about sources.list |
| 20:07.57 | jelly-home | op_amp: right, as craigevil guessed you don't have any debian mirrors in there |
| 20:08.12 | aarcane | hey debian, what does the esv mean in |
| 20:08.13 | aarcane | BIND 9.6-ESV-R1 |
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| 20:08.14 | babilen | op_amp: Where do you live? |
| 20:08.18 | craigevil | op_amp: add deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main or one from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:08.21 | gravaera | Hi, if I want to compile drivers for debian, what do I need to do? |
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| 20:08.30 | op_amp | babilen: India |
| 20:08.31 | gravaera | Sorry for repeating like that |
| 20:08.56 | jelly-home | webPragmatist: it's there for you to remove it when you set up a real vhost |
| 20:09.33 | jelly-home | webPragmatist: I actually have lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2006-04-30 06:10 000-default -> /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 20:09.50 | jelly-home | webPragmatist: is your link just "default"? |
| 20:09.51 | op_amp | craigevil I will be doing packaging and bug fixing.. so I need to fetch all latest package while running update and upgrade |
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| 20:10.24 | op_amp | I guess debian has sqeeze and sid name for testing and unstable |
| 20:10.50 | pcc1 | now that /proc/acpi/event is deprecated, which daemon is supposed to take care of the acpi events? I think something is broken on my machine, the acpi keys don't work unless I use a kernel with /proc/acpi/event and I'd rather not recompile every kernel I use |
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| 20:11.54 | babilen | op_amp: http://paste.debian.net/80457/ â you might want to add "contrib non-free" after main ... "/msg dpkg contrib" "/msg dpkg non-free" |
| 20:12.25 | babilen | op_amp: Run aptitude update afterwards or choose a different mirror if you want |
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| 20:12.47 | tdn | I wanted to move a dir to another file system (ecryptfs/fuse), but noticed halfway that it would not succeed because of limited diskspace on destination. The command was "mv buddha-backup-2010-06-29 ~hdn -v". I had to Ctrl+C it. So now my question is: has ANY files been removed from the source yet? I.o.w. is it safe to delete ~hdn/buddha-backup-2010-06-29 ? |
| 20:13.08 | simplechat | Hey, I have a small program and i'm looking to convert it into a debian package |
| 20:13.25 | simplechat | i'm wondering, since it has a makefile and such, is there any fast way to convert it into a very minimal package? |
| 20:13.40 | jelly-home | tdn: if you find an answer to that otherwhere care to repeat it here as well? |
| 20:13.44 | babilen | tdn: You might want to make sure and use rsync for that ... |
| 20:14.06 | babilen | simplechat: Take a look at dh_make |
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| 20:14.48 | tdn | babilen, I know, but right now, I would like to know what the state is now. Do I have HALF of the folder in the destination and half at the source? Or do I have the FULL untouched folder at the source and a half folder at the destination that I can safely delete? |
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| 20:15.54 | babilen | tdn: I am not sure, but would think that "mv" deletes files once they were successfully copied .. |
| 20:16.53 | tdn | I am reading: info coreutils 'mv invocation' and it says: For example, now `mv' can move an entire directory hierarchy including special device files from one partition to another. It first uses some of the same code that's used by `cp -a' to copy the requested directories and files, then (assuming the copy succeeded) it removes the originals. If the copy fails, then the part that was copied to the destination partition is removed. If you were to cop |
| 20:17.19 | tdn | So, does this mean, that it is safe to delete the destination? This is how I read it. |
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| 20:17.37 | tdn | That the source should be untouched, because I Ctrl+C'ed it. |
| 20:18.54 | simplechat | babilen, are there any good tutorials for bh_make? |
| 20:19.09 | craigevil | !tell simplechat about nmg |
| 20:19.10 | babilen | I understand it the same way and stand corrected - But why don't you actually check (du -sh, dirdiff, rsync, ...) |
| 20:19.16 | babilen | craigevil: thanks :) |
| 20:19.40 | babilen | simplechat: and it is "dh_make" not "bh_make" |
| 20:19.43 | babilen | :-p |
| 20:19.57 | tdn | babilen, du -sch I have tried. Src is much larger than dest. But I do not know what the original size was. |
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| 20:20.01 | simplechat | hmmmm |
| 20:20.03 | simplechat | ok |
| 20:20.10 | tdn | babilen, how would I use rsync for checking? |
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| 20:20.19 | tdn | babilen, I am not aware os dirdiff. |
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| 20:20.56 | babilen | ,info dirdiff |
| 20:20.58 | judd | dirdiff (utils, optional): Display and merge changes between two directory trees. Version: 2.1-4; Size: 40.9k; Installed: 208k; Homepage: http://samba.org/ftp/paulus/ |
| 20:21.30 | tdn | Ok. I sometimes use diff -ruq |
| 20:21.31 | babilen | ah - it's a little old ... |
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| 20:22.33 | babilen | tdn: The idea (as I don't have the exact command now) is to use rsync to sync both directories - You will not copy already copied files that way and you will also not lose any data |
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| 20:23.08 | tdn | babilen, but I do not have enough free space to have the whole folder twice. |
| 20:23.08 | op_amp | Source List -> http://paste.debian.net/80458/ and Command output http://paste.debian.net/80459/ |
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| 20:24.22 | craigevil | op_amp: don't use non-us that was deprecated back when sarge was stable, take a look at http://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist |
| 20:24.27 | babilen | tdn: Given that you don't have a verified source in a known state it is hard to say ... The paragraph from the manpage you quoted implies that you can safely remove your dest, but I would just make sure if you care about those data |
| 20:25.04 | roky | hey everyone |
| 20:25.17 | babilen | op_amp: I gave you a perfectly working sources.list - what was wrong with it? |
| 20:25.33 | tdn | babilen, I am thinking about checking with rsync -vaPn src dest. Do you think that would work? If ALL files in DEST is present in SRC, it would give an empty list, right? |
| 20:25.50 | tdn | babilen, and it did. |
| 20:25.55 | babilen | craigevil: That website encourages a lot of unsupported repositories ... |
| 20:26.07 | tdn | babilen, actually it returned ONE file, but I guess that is the one that got interrupted during transfer. |
| 20:26.12 | babilen | tdn: Give me a second ... |
| 20:26.22 | op_amp | babilen: sorry but I just googled and copy pasted a list as I can't copy from ubuntu to my VM in which I have installed debian |
| 20:26.28 | craigevil | babilen: yes and i have warnings before the 3rd party repo, the 'official' repos are listed together |
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| 20:28.16 | babilen | tdn: Yeah, most likely |
| 20:28.24 | craigevil | op_amp: basically you need 2 lines, 4 if you want deb-src, one that says testing and one for security |
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| 20:29.23 | babilen | op_amp: Any reason why you did not install a stable version of Debian? |
| 20:30.17 | babilen | op_amp: Just "wget http://paste.debian.net/80457/download/80457" and copy the file to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:31.51 | babilen | op_amp: Or just type the content into your sources.list ... |
| 20:33.32 | op_amp | babilen: I didn't used that because indian servers are quite slow and can go down any moment |
| 20:34.39 | babilen | op_amp: Ok - I know that servers in HK and TW are quite reliable ... Not sure if they are faster than those in the united states or Europe for you though .. |
| 20:34.59 | tdn | babilen, I removed the dest folder. Thanks for helping. |
| 20:35.11 | babilen | tdn: well - i did nothing :) |
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| 20:36.29 | op_amp | Source list ->http://paste.debian.net/80464/ and Command Result-> http://paste.debian.net/80465/ |
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| 20:37.48 | babilen | op_amp: You can delete the last line (it is a duplicate) and you have to run "aptitude update" to use the new servers |
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| 20:38.41 | babilen | op_amp: I would remove the Cd entries as well (not needed anymore) |
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| 20:39.37 | int80_h | I've got a haskell blog running and I'd like to daemonize it. Is there a particular way to do that with Debian? |
| 20:39.51 | tdn | babilen, yeah, I had someone to whom I could explain and discuss the problem. It was helping, really :) |
| 20:39.51 | int80_h | I'm poked around apt-cache search, nothing popped out |
| 20:39.52 | op_amp | babilen: aptitude updates just list down commands |
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| 20:40.13 | op_amp | I mean various flags |
| 20:40.18 | babilen | tdn: great - may you have a nice day, night, evening or morning :) |
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| 20:40.38 | babilen | op_amp: And are still unable to install synaptic? |
| 20:40.53 | tdn | babilen, evening. You too. |
| 20:40.54 | op_amp | yes |
| 20:41.04 | craigevil | op_amp: aptitude update; aptitude install synaptic |
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| 20:41.31 | op_amp | craigevil: yes i did the same.. |
| 20:41.45 | op_amp | as root user.. |
| 20:42.18 | op_amp | craigevil, babilen ohh sorry |
| 20:42.40 | op_amp | I used updates instead of update :| |
| 20:43.12 | craigevil | op_amp: comment the cd line and the last line |
| 20:43.34 | op_amp | babilen: told u.. Indian server :P.. error 404.. |
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| 20:43.44 | op_amp | craigevil: ok.. I will |
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| 20:43.53 | avar | Hi, can someone give me the output of `grep -C 3 ^0.*respawn /etc/inittab`. I screwed up my inittab a bit and want the default back. |
| 20:44.03 | avar | And dpkg -S /etc/inittab doesn't tell me what package put it there |
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| 20:44.22 | seixz | exit |
| 20:44.28 | seixz | ups |
| 20:44.43 | babilen | op_amp: Ah, my bad ... one second |
| 20:45.22 | jordanm | avar: null |
| 20:46.12 | avar | jordanm: what about grep -A 10 "if you want to add more getty" /etc/inittab |
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| 20:46.42 | jordanm | avar: hehe, why not ask for the whole file? |
| 20:46.54 | babilen | op_amp: http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ instead of http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/ â http://paste.debian.net/80469/ |
| 20:46.55 | avar | I can do that too! :) |
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| 20:47.31 | jordanm | avar: http://paste.debian.net/80470/ |
| 20:47.49 | jordanm | avar: make backups next time! |
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| 20:48.42 | avar | thanks! |
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| 20:50.37 | gngkai | hi all |
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| 20:51.12 | gngkai | I have noticed a strange process 'usr/bin/smtp' (note the relative path) |
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| 20:51.41 | gngkai | lsof -p PID show that is trying to open a tcp connection (irc) |
| 20:52.00 | gngkai | now: why top show that relative path and not the absolute? |
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| 20:52.24 | jordanm | gngkai: it was executed via relative path and that binary is not part of debian |
| 20:53.02 | gngkai | jordanm: ok, so now is there a way to see the absolute path? |
| 20:53.12 | gngkai | or do I need to use locate or find? |
| 20:53.26 | BlueG | hmm, even after installing the kernel from backports, xorg continues to lockup in the same way |
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| 20:54.11 | adac | how can I allow ssh root login only for a certain host |
| 20:54.24 | jordanm | gngkai: you can use find, but why is that needed? is not not really /usr/bin/smtp? |
| 20:54.47 | gngkai | jordanm: no! it's usr/bin/smtp |
| 20:54.50 | Bushmills | adac: use keys |
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| 20:55.03 | gngkai | it's a trojan run by nobody |
| 20:55.37 | jordanm | adac: PermitRootLogin without-password in /etc/ssh/sshd_config; then only hosts with known public keys can authenticate root |
| 20:55.38 | adac | Bushmills, i see. But i used to upload keys like: ssh-copy-id -i /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub root@host.com |
| 20:55.41 | babilen | gngkai: You can check that with (e.g.) "cat /proc/PID/command_line" (there mighe be a much more elegant way though) |
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| 20:57.07 | gngkai | babilen: cat /proc/6250/cmdline --> usr/sbin/smtp ;;; |
| 20:57.24 | Bushmills | adac: who doesn't have root provileges, won't be able to add an ssh key for root# |
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| 20:57.50 | Bushmills | privileges, even |
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| 20:58.39 | babilen | gngkai: gah! |
| 20:58.52 | gngkai | babilen: weird isn't it? |
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| 20:59.46 | gngkai | babilen: it's a perl script, lsof and cat /proc/pid/status reveals that |
| 20:59.58 | gngkai | but the damned path |
| 21:00.14 | babilen | gngkai: "readlink -f /proc/PID/exe" and "readlink -f /proc/PID/cwd" might provide a clue |
| 21:00.21 | jordanm | I would pull the machine off the net immediatly |
| 21:00.31 | op_amp | babilen, craigevil ty :) |
| 21:00.51 | gngkai | jordanm: I'm not worried, packetfilter is blocking outbound too |
| 21:00.53 | op_amp | preferred irc app on debian? |
| 21:01.00 | babilen | op_amp: irssi |
| 21:01.42 | babilen | gngkai: found it? |
| 21:02.07 | gngkai | babilen: readlink -f exe --> /usr/local/bin/perl |
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| 21:02.15 | gngkai | readlink -f cwd --> / |
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| 21:02.41 | yeho | omfg |
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| 21:03.23 | gngkai | babilen: what now? find I presume... |
| 21:03.29 | babilen | gngkai: ok - but where is the damn script ... command_line did not include the command arguments (i.e. /usr/local/bin/perl (why /usr/local btw)) by chance? |
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| 21:04.09 | gngkai | babilen: no, no command arguments, /usr/local is correct |
| 21:04.14 | babilen | gngkai: lsof to see open files? |
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| 21:04.41 | gngkai | babilen: lsof -p PID show perl stuff and the socket |
| 21:05.57 | gngkai | perl, libraries, perl modules, /dev/null, apache error log and the socket |
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| 21:07.59 | gngkai | babilen: ps auxwww: |
| 21:08.01 | gngkai | nobody 6235 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 22:19 0:00 [sh] <defunct> |
| 21:08.01 | gngkai | nobody 6250 0.0 0.1 9416 4480 ? S 22:19 0:00 usr/sbin/smtp |
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| 21:18.42 | jhutchins | apt: What do you do? |
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| 21:20.20 | babilen | gngkai: you might want to hop over to ##linux -- been discussing other ways to find the arguments there |
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| 21:24.55 | op_amp | babilen: irssi have some dependency issue.. at present I have replace lenny with squeeze and running full-upgrade.. |
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| 21:29.02 | insomnious | What is the path to postfix for use in php.ini ? |
| 21:30.02 | jelly-home | insomnious: you shouldn't have to set it at all |
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| 21:30.32 | jelly-home | insomnious: it's always /usr/sbin/sendmail, no matter what MTA is installed |
| 21:31.00 | insomnious | ok thanks |
| 21:32.26 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 21:32.26 | dpkg | <mee> toilet is too fancy for me |
| 21:33.30 | insomnious | :O |
| 21:33.47 | mo_o | what happened to the package base-config in lenny??? |
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| 21:34.04 | mo_o | i'm just trying to setup a new box with debootstrap but i can't find the tool base-config :( |
| 21:34.05 | insomnious | What if I used /usr/sbin/postfix for the path in php.ini |
| 21:34.15 | jelly-home | !tell mo_o about base-config |
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| 21:34.35 | jelly-home | insomnious: that wouldn't work |
| 21:35.04 | mo_o | !tell mo_o about debootstrap |
| 21:35.29 | jelly-home | mo_o: you can also /msg dpkg stuff, so you don't have to go thru the channel |
| 21:35.36 | mo_o | ok |
| 21:35.38 | mo_o | mm |
| 21:35.51 | mo_o | before i read 23442545 webpages: do you have a fast answer for a workaround? |
| 21:36.32 | jelly-home | mo_o: nope, sorry |
| 21:37.18 | mo_o | hmpf |
| 21:37.25 | jelly-home | mo_o: there's /msg dpkg hostname to configure the hostname, but I know no tool to get fstab, boot loader, network confiuration |
| 21:37.40 | jelly-home | (apart from doing it manually) |
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| 21:40.19 | mo_o | damn |
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| 21:41.44 | mo_o | that's a lot of manual work... |
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| 21:44.26 | insomnious | Ok |
| 21:44.31 | insomnious | I have installed postfix |
| 21:44.48 | insomnious | And I am no longer getting errors whilst sending an email on phpbb3 |
| 21:44.57 | insomnious | It says the message has been sent |
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| 21:45.04 | insomnious | but I am not recieving it |
| 21:45.11 | insomnious | Is there a queue or something ? |
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| 22:10.45 | insomnious | wtf |
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| 22:14.02 | petemc | insomnious: if you havent figured it out already, check the logs |
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| 22:22.55 | mnuhmnuh | hi #deb. how can I make mysqld not init at startup? i tried a few things, to no effect. i'd like to init it when I want to use it. thx |
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| 22:23.36 | dondelelcaro | mnuhmnuh: remove the rc2.d links (or whatever your default runlevel is) |
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| 22:27.37 | mnuhmnuh | dondelelcaro: thx. |
| 22:28.57 | mo_o | i chrooted into a new environment (set up with debootstrap) and am trying to change the password of root now but i get the following msg: |
| 22:29.03 | mo_o | passwd: root:system_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 is not authorized to change the password of root |
| 22:29.09 | mo_o | how can i change the root pw? |
| 22:30.09 | insomnious | passwd root |
| 22:30.30 | mo_o | that's what i did |
| 22:30.57 | insomnious | and what happened ? |
| 22:31.08 | mo_o | i get the pasted msg |
| 22:31.29 | insomnious | what r u logged in as ? |
| 22:31.39 | mo_o | root |
| 22:31.48 | mo_o | "i chrooted into a new environment" |
| 22:32.23 | insomnious | passwd root works fine for me |
| 22:32.31 | mo_o | amazing. not for me though |
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| 22:33.44 | insomnious | i dunno |
| 22:33.55 | insomnious | you are not seeding |
| 22:33.57 | streuner | in debootstrap? |
| 22:34.07 | insomnious | sorry wrong tab :P |
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| 22:34.42 | mo_o | streuner: ? |
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| 22:35.19 | streuner | i dont think that debootstrap has the same behavior if you "treat" a normal box, not sure |
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| 22:37.39 | streuner | mo_o: isnt there a possibility to just use d-i (Debian-Installer)? |
| 22:37.48 | mo_o | no |
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| 22:38.30 | mo_o | which actually sucks |
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| 22:42.23 | jhutchins_lt | mnuhmnuh: rc-conf |
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| 22:47.05 | mnuhmnuh | jhutchins_lt: thx. already blown away rc2.d links, but if it fails, can recreate and retry w rc-conf. |
| 22:47.37 | relzzz | how do i install a file like http://www.dailyzohar.co.il/tmp/vlc/vlc-1.1.0-3-i686.pkg.tar.xz ? |
| 22:48.23 | relzzz | err the link was not required... :) just the filename... |
| 22:48.27 | relzzz | new here to arch |
| 22:50.24 | themill | relzzz: wrong channel? |
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| 22:50.52 | relzzz | err oops |
| 22:50.54 | relzzz | :) |
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| 22:51.13 | Distrogasm | hi folks, I am used to using ubuntu for my web server. Will I have any trouble using Debian 4 ? |
| 22:51.36 | streuner | Debian 4 would be oldstable... |
| 22:52.04 | Distrogasm | is it easy to set up LAMP on debian 4 ? |
| 22:52.34 | streuner | its easy to set that up in Debian |
| 22:52.39 | themill | Distrogasm: debian 4 (etch) is no longer supported -- you should be thinking about 5 (lenny) instead. /msg dpkg lenny ; /msg dpkg lamp |
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| 22:53.13 | epsilon | if you're ubuntu-User consider taking Ubuntu with LTS |
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| 22:53.57 | epsilon | if you install lenny now, it's possible you have to upgrade to next debian within 1-2 years |
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| 23:17.38 | mnuhmnuh | anybody else using irssi? how >/dev/null "control" msgs? |
| 23:18.35 | Carp | ...is there a simplistic method in which one can backup & restore *solely* the extended attributes portion of an ext4 filesystem??? |
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| 23:20.20 | mnuhmnuh | Carp: why? |
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| 23:22.17 | Carp | mnuhmnuh: I am backing up a GlusterFS node's filesystem of which Gluster depends on these attributes for smooth transitioning (restoration) of said filesystem. |
| 23:22.42 | Carp | mnuhmnuh: unless you so happen to be knowledgable about that subject area, aye? :-) |
| 23:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not very hard to write an sed command that translates the output of lsattr -R /mountpoint in something chattr would take as input |
| 23:23.22 | Carp | mnuhmnuh: I just recently asked the channel regarding that topic of necessity of those attributes under my usage scenario... |
| 23:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | <-- not using ext4 |
| 23:24.42 | Carp | CutMeOwnThroat: certainly would not be difficult whatsoever! I surely will do just that if I am faced with no other choice .... 'tis quite the time sensitive situation of mine :-( |
| 23:25.17 | Carp | CutMeOwnThroat: I especially would hate to rush the script and not find the bug that crushes me until it is too late ... with my luck, it's sure to happen. |
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| 23:27.28 | Carp | CutMeOwnThroat: more than likely, I'm just going to hold my breath and hope that these attributes aren't absolutely necessary for the cluster/distribute formation (glusterfs). Seeing as the other node that is still online contains *all* of those same attributes, *hopefully* the implementation is intelligent enough to rebuild said metadata off the pre-existing where necessary :] |
| 23:29.45 | Carp | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm going to cross-reference check a short list of attributes and see if there is any difference between the two nodes regarding the attributes. In either regard, I honestly can't fathom as to why GlusterFS would *require* such data for a distributed namespace *beforehand* seeing as it has to create 'em upon bringing said node online |
| 23:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Carp, you can always do just the lsattr -R , save that and worry about feeding it back to chattr later |
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| 23:32.36 | Carp | CutMeOwnThroat: *nods* precisely what I was thinking in order to provide the peace of mind necessary come that potential situation popping up :] If the script is necessary to be written, I'll know then and there and will have the background info necessary to quickly hammer it out! No way in hell am I doing it manually (400,000+ files hehe) |
| 23:32.49 | peta | how can i run a script, so that it will remain alive after i logout from the server (via ssh)? |
| 23:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | script& |
| 23:33.36 | Tramp | peta: nohup or inside screen |
| 23:33.37 | Carp | CutMeOwnThroat: thx you very much for providing that command, BTW! saves me a bit of much needed time .. |
| 23:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends a bit on the shell... csh type might also need nohup script |
| 23:34.04 | peta | i'm using bash |
| 23:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... screen or the like if you want to see it's output lateron |
| 23:34.33 | peta | wait a minute .. i will eat a pony if this will work |
| 23:34.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll make some little girls cry... |
| 23:35.05 | Carp | laughs |
| 23:35.07 | alnr | is there a package on debian called cronic, or a package the prevents cron from mailing output unless an error (nonzero result code or trace output) |
| 23:35.21 | Carp | wishes he had the time to mess with IRC client's color scheme ... |
| 23:35.43 | themill | !pony peta |
| 23:35.44 | dpkg | gives peta a pony |
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| 23:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, cruel |
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| 23:44.23 | peta | i'm sorry pony .. but i have to :( |
| 23:46.12 | multi_io | all GUI programs in Debian are hell-bent on opening PDFs in Gimp. |
| 23:46.54 | multi_io | in Ubuntu too, apparently |
| 23:47.12 | peta | what do you want to do? |
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| 23:48.34 | multi_io | when trying to open a pdf in e.g. thunar or a browser, open it in acroread by default |
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| 23:51.23 | smv | use evince. |
| 23:53.09 | tharkun | difference between aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade |
| 23:53.18 | tharkun | ? |
| 23:53.24 | jordanm | multi_io: with thunar you can right click -> open with -> checkbox always open with |
| 23:53.40 | smv | !full-upgrade |
| 23:53.41 | dpkg | full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade> <apt-listchanges> |
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| 23:54.07 | jordanm | tharkun: the manpage can explain it much better than anyone here... |
| 23:54.43 | tharkun | jordanm: thx i was looking for a reason not to do the full-upgrade dance but it seems i'll have to do it :-) |
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