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| 00:11.16 | mnuhmnuh | !dpkg why not dist upgrade |
| 00:11.16 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude full-upgrade), when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. Ask me about <pinning> <hold> <unmarkauto>. |
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| 00:18.45 | inspbcm | Does anyone have experience undoing a BCM43xx driver install and switch to a ndiswrapper driver setup? |
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| 00:23.45 | KB1JWQ | ineiros: No, but what's your actual problem? |
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| 00:25.02 | jordanm | !b43 |
| 00:25.02 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:25.29 | jordanm | ah... gone |
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| 00:39.24 | Guest52520 | hi all, I'm wondering how exactly rsync timeout setting works, does it timeout regardless of current activity |
| 00:39.36 | Guest52520 | or does it timeout if there is no IO activity for x seconds? |
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| 00:41.06 | Guest52520 | saw this on a mailing list: --timeout is the maximum time for "building file list" etc., not the network timeout. |
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| 00:43.52 | Guest52520 | so timeout is useless for me as my rsync locks up during the sync, after the file list is built |
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| 00:44.57 | bitshuffler | Hi guys. I have packaging question. Does Debian have anything like "%{?_smp_mflags}" which resolves e.g. to "-j3" to provide parallel builds? |
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| 00:45.51 | bitshuffler | currently I'm just using $(MAKE) but that runs only single threaded. Pont being I would like to avoid hard coding -jX so it can be set somehow by the server that builds the stuff. |
| 00:46.51 | jordanm | !tell bitshuffler about mentors |
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| 00:47.32 | bitshuffler | jordanm: well, thanks, but I need no mentor but merely an answer to 1-2 packaging questions. Besides that I'm set, thanks :) |
| 00:48.01 | bitshuffler | Or if there is some seperate -packaging channel just point me the way and I happily ask there. |
| 00:48.08 | jordanm | bitshuffler: well, that is the proper place to ask packaging questions |
| 00:48.12 | nsadmin | bitshuffler: ahh, maybe the nmg? |
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| 00:48.21 | jordanm | bitshuffler: yes, its called #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 00:48.40 | bitshuffler | nsadmin: sry, "nmg"? |
| 00:48.44 | jordanm | !nmg |
| 00:48.44 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 00:48.45 | nsadmin | !nmg |
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| 00:49.40 | nsadmin | now, both of these resources are slanted towards packages that would follow debian policy... |
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| 00:50.06 | nsadmin | that can be a good thing; some best-of-breed practices are in there |
| 00:50.46 | bitshuffler | well, I have the stuff building just fine but are merely wondering if you have some kind of macro to enable parallel builds. Single threaded it works just fine but I'm trying to speed it up since it is quite big. |
| 00:51.22 | jordanm | well, I pointed you to the best place to ask... |
| 00:51.28 | nsadmin | but if you just want to package something and be done with it and are not too concerned with how it would fare in the archive, that's probably a different slant |
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| 00:51.52 | nsadmin | also... make -j <number> is something to look into |
| 00:51.55 | bitshuffler | jordanm: I'll ask there, thank you. |
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| 00:53.19 | bitshuffler | nsadmin: yes, I just want to avoid hardcoding -jX since the X depends on the server that runs the build. E.g. with rpm based distros we use "%{?_smp_mflags}" and the building server sets it to 1,3,5,10 or whatever it can handle. So I'm wondering if something like this exists for deb based distros too. |
| 00:53.48 | bitshuffler | nevertheless, that guide looks like a nice ressource so thanks for pointing me to it. |
| 00:53.54 | jordanm | I don't thinks so, but not sure enough to give you that answer |
| 00:54.02 | nsadmin | you'd want to find out how to feed options to make |
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| 00:54.07 | the_file | hi |
| 00:54.21 | the_file | can I install proprietary drivers for ati cards on debian?. |
| 00:54.49 | jordanm | !fglrx |
| 00:54.49 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The fglrx-driver version in <testing> supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:54.51 | bitshuffler | nsadmin: well, I know how to feed options to make but I do not know how to get the proper setting for the building server. |
| 00:55.24 | nsadmin | what if you were to extend the build system to handle that |
| 00:55.47 | jordanm | it should be in a format _anyone_ can grab it and build it, not just the build server |
| 00:56.12 | bitshuffler | nsadmin: well, before I think into extending it I first should find out if it doesn't already exist, not? ;D |
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| 00:56.24 | jordanm | I know that -j will not cause the build to fail, but can have regressions |
| 00:56.49 | bitshuffler | jordanm: right, mostly it depends on the package, some work fine others don't. |
| 00:57.00 | busymind | helo world |
| 00:57.09 | bitshuffler | jordanm: ##debian-mentors on oftc is empty besides me |
| 00:57.21 | jordanm | bitshuffler: your not there |
| 00:57.37 | jordanm | bitshuffler: 125 people in there with me, and you do not appear to be one |
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| 00:57.47 | bitshuffler | scratches head |
| 00:57.48 | nsadmin | or try to factor in such a way that you would set the variable later fed to -j, and then have that variable read to create another var that make already reads |
| 00:57.53 | jordanm | oftc is irc.oftc.net |
| 00:57.55 | bitshuffler | jordanm: oftc like http://www.oftc.net/ ? |
| 00:58.02 | nsadmin | it's not ## it;s # |
| 00:58.12 | nsadmin | oftc doesn't have a concept of ## |
| 00:58.42 | bitshuffler | nsadmin: heh, thanks, the copy & paste screwed me over. |
| 00:59.29 | the_file | does debian come with xserver by default? |
| 00:59.34 | the_file | debian lenny that is |
| 00:59.38 | the_file | the new one |
| 00:59.42 | mentor | No |
| 00:59.45 | nsadmin | no, you would install it |
| 00:59.52 | the_file | or |
| 00:59.53 | jordanm | the_file: no, it is not included in the base-system, but can be installed during the installation |
| 00:59.56 | nsadmin | hey! there's a mentor now! |
| 01:00.04 | jordanm | !tell the_file about ig |
| 01:00.07 | the_file | can I download one thats already compliled with it? |
| 01:00.15 | mentor | Debian generally doesn't install anything but the base system (for installing more packages) |
| 01:00.38 | mentor | the_file: Yes, there is a large archive of software packages |
| 01:00.44 | jordanm | the_file: most likely, you just want to select the "desktop" task during the installation. it provides a gnome environment by default |
| 01:00.44 | the_file | mentor: thanks |
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| 01:00.53 | nsadmin | the_file, so there's a lot of misunderstandings, and I'll clear up as many as possible |
| 01:01.04 | jordanm | !dstats lenny |
| 01:01.07 | the_file | I like gnome lots |
| 01:01.18 | the_file | tried jwm but never kde |
| 01:01.36 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22939 packages, 1933 maintainers, 58744 MB installed size, 20594 MB compressed size. |
| 01:01.37 | jordanm | wishes dstats was a bit faster... |
| 01:01.53 | the_file | blames server load |
| 01:02.00 | the_file | oww crap |
| 01:02.11 | the_file | over 20k packages =O |
| 01:02.13 | nsadmin | the_file, so the "base" is a very small set of packages that are meant for two purposes: |
| 01:02.24 | the_file | OWW CRAP |
| 01:02.29 | the_file | over 15k mainainers! |
| 01:02.30 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.40 | mentor | nono |
| 01:02.43 | the_file | orr |
| 01:02.47 | mentor | Only ~2,000 |
| 01:03.00 | the_file | maybe like 5 maintainers per package? |
| 01:03.03 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.40 | mentor | nsadmin: Arguably the second servers the first there |
| 01:04.16 | nsadmin | the_file, also the base is the absolute minimum you can possibly install and still have debian |
| 01:04.19 | the_file | some1 please answer this: if I get it right gnome/kde runs off a software such as x or fglrx? |
| 01:04.40 | nsadmin | off of X, yes. |
| 01:04.49 | the_file | ? |
| 01:04.51 | the_file | only x? |
| 01:04.57 | nsadmin | fglrx would be a driver used by X |
| 01:05.30 | the_file | then x is the main one that linux desktops use?. |
| 01:05.34 | nsadmin | but you don't necessarily need fglrx unless you need certain specific features |
| 01:05.37 | nsadmin | yes. |
| 01:06.10 | nsadmin | the X server is what listens to your keyboard and mouse, and what draws on your display card |
| 01:06.26 | the_file | therefor the x server is the kernel? |
| 01:06.37 | nsadmin | no, the kernel is something else |
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| 01:06.56 | nsadmin | but parts of the drivers are in the kernel |
| 01:07.04 | the_file | is the kernel the command center for the cpu, ram, north & south bridges ect? |
| 01:07.22 | the_file | or the "HQ" |
| 01:07.25 | nevyn | the_file: sortof |
| 01:07.29 | the_file | heh |
| 01:07.35 | nsadmin | yes. the kernel (among many many other things) has drivers to support hardware. |
| 01:07.40 | jordanm | bet wikipedia can explain "kernel" better than us |
| 01:07.51 | the_file | I do read |
| 01:08.07 | the_file | does lenny have a gui'ish installer kinda like ubuntu distro? |
| 01:08.17 | the_file | or is it strickly command line? |
| 01:08.21 | jordanm | there is a graphical installer, yes |
| 01:08.25 | nsadmin | just so you know, I'm targeting my answers so that they are simple and direct |
| 01:08.36 | jordanm | it is not a live-cd based installer like ubuntu however |
| 01:09.06 | nsadmin | debian does have live cds, but they do not presently have the ability to install |
| 01:09.22 | jordanm | the_file: the install guide link dpkg pm'ed you earlier covers about everything. although, you will likely not needed if you are familar with installing any OS |
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| 01:15.42 | busymind | delete a ??tmp file like DS_Store made it by mac-mac from all sub-folders? please |
| 01:15.58 | busymind | thank you |
| 01:18.11 | busymind | i don't need the solution just the ideea - a command or something |
| 01:18.35 | Tramp | busymind: find, with either -delete or -exec rm ... |
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| 01:19.20 | busymind | thanks Tramp |
| 01:19.21 | Tramp | busymind: see also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
| 01:19.24 | Tramp | yw |
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| 01:19.40 | eskaypey | greetings |
| 01:19.52 | eskaypey | has anyone played with python-jabberbot? |
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| 01:20.11 | eskaypey | i'm currently getting "could not connect to server - aborting." |
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| 01:26.25 | bitshuffler | jordanm: nsadmin thanks, I guess I got what I needed :) |
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| 01:28.23 | tharkun | jordanm: full-upgrade finished, kind of slow but it is over thx |
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| 01:32.31 | busymind | no sound in debian lenny xfce |
| 01:32.49 | busymind | not every time |
| 01:33.09 | Galaxy2000 | >busymind alsa ? |
| 01:33.22 | busymind | but now a cannot restart my system wich will "repar it" |
| 01:33.28 | busymind | yes |
| 01:33.51 | nsadmin | you can try just restarting alsa |
| 01:33.56 | busymind | try to restart alsa? |
| 01:33.57 | nsadmin | and reconfiguring it |
| 01:33.58 | busymind | ok |
| 01:34.10 | busymind | I try that |
| 01:34.17 | busymind | right now |
| 01:35.15 | Galaxy2000 | just kill app which uses sound |
| 01:35.57 | jordanm | !dmix |
| 01:35.57 | dpkg | dmix is probably an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 01:35.57 | busymind | how can i find that because I started some youtube play and nothing else - after Xchat |
| 01:36.36 | busymind | ok I look after - thanks dpkg |
| 01:36.36 | nsadmin | youtube tends to crash browsers |
| 01:36.53 | Galaxy2000 | flash uses alsa , flash blocks alsa |
| 01:36.55 | busymind | in 3 years no problem with that |
| 01:37.04 | busymind | just sound lost sometimes |
| 01:37.18 | busymind | :) |
| 01:37.30 | busymind | use and bloks? |
| 01:37.56 | Galaxy2000 | yes |
| 01:38.06 | busymind | do I need to install dmix? |
| 01:38.13 | busymind | instead alsa? |
| 01:38.44 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 01:38.44 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 01:39.33 | nsadmin | for me what tends to happen is sound will work with youtube and iceweasel for awhile, but then it stops playing sounds, and instead the movie jerkily plays, and every once in awhile you hear "lskdjoijsweofeojfsofj", really fast jibberish |
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| 01:40.34 | busymind | yes indeed |
| 01:40.56 | andymadigan | I'm trying to set up debian as a router, is there any way to get port triggering? |
| 01:41.08 | busymind | first step after command groups on user it list audio |
| 01:42.38 | busymind | no arts or esound in my system |
| 01:43.26 | Galaxy2000 | shited brains ... |
| 01:43.39 | busymind | lsmod | grep oss |
| 01:43.39 | busymind | snd_pcm_oss 32800 0 |
| 01:43.39 | busymind | snd_mixer_oss 12320 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 01:43.39 | busymind | snd_pcm 62660 5 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss |
| 01:43.39 | busymind | snd_seq_oss 24992 0 |
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| 01:44.13 | andymadigan | are there any good packages for a home router with a web UI? |
| 01:44.51 | imduffy15 | andymadigan, why not use something like pfsense or smoothwall? |
| 01:45.04 | nsadmin | well ipmasq is a recalculating router that reads your interfaces |
| 01:45.11 | Galaxy2000 | untangle |
| 01:45.16 | nsadmin | doesn't have a web interface |
| 01:45.17 | busymind | lsmod | grep oss seems to have lot off oss stuff |
| 01:45.21 | andymadigan | smoothwall won't work for my purposes without quite a bit of hacking, pfsense might work |
| 01:45.53 | nsadmin | what's port triggering? |
| 01:46.30 | busymind | "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav is play ok |
| 01:46.44 | andymadigan | something like "10.0.0.106 just connected to port 6667 on an internet host, forward port 123 to it temporarily" |
| 01:47.15 | nsadmin | iptables has a logging feature |
| 01:48.03 | andymadigan | DD-WRT somehow manages port triggering, so it can't be impossible... I was just hoping there was a package that had it pre-done |
| 01:48.11 | busymind | ok sound ok but i don't know why |
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| 01:48.30 | busymind | know its just play ok :) |
| 01:48.42 | nsadmin | what did you do to change your sound? |
| 01:48.54 | busymind | "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
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| 01:49.07 | busymind | started alsamixer and closed |
| 01:49.08 | Adola | Is there any way to determine which applications are using the soundcard? |
| 01:49.18 | busymind | ? |
| 01:50.56 | busymind | youtube seems fine - i dont use much flash but feeling better for now |
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| 01:52.44 | nsadmin | did you restart alsa? |
| 01:53.32 | busymind | yes I forgot to mention but immediat after restart I check if its working and negative, started alsa mixer and closed |
| 01:53.39 | nsadmin | Adola: there are ways to determine which process is using a specified file |
| 01:53.40 | busymind | and its ok |
| 01:53.45 | busymind | but |
| 01:54.12 | Adola | nsadmin, could I use that method to determine which applications are usingmy sound? |
| 01:54.18 | nsadmin | perhaps the starting of alsamixer set some defaults |
| 01:54.20 | busymind | my sound seems to be adjusted just from master and not any affect from PCM |
| 01:54.37 | busymind | I now that it a file |
| 01:54.50 | busymind | when I instaled long time ago xfce |
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| 01:55.00 | busymind | I configured something |
| 01:55.13 | busymind | in one file linked with audio |
| 01:55.17 | nsadmin | Adola: yes, if you can determine a file that is used by your sound driver to receive sound from an app |
| 01:55.44 | Adola | nsadmin, Do you think you could help me with that? I'm using ALSA |
| 01:55.46 | busymind | to function the audio volume adjustement from laptop |
| 01:56.05 | busymind | but was long time ago |
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| 01:57.56 | busymind | Adola lsof | grep filename |
| 01:58.01 | busymind | maybe |
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| 01:58.19 | nsadmin | Adola: the only thing is I forgot the exact details |
| 01:58.20 | busymind | Im not expert |
| 01:58.32 | Adola | nsadmin, does this look usable: fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
| 01:58.48 | nsadmin | try it and see :) |
| 01:59.18 | nsadmin | you'll want to look at man fuser to get an intro to what it does and what's -v |
| 01:59.39 | busymind | Adola is working fuser ... |
| 02:00.09 | Adola | nsadmin, Yeah, the problem is, I'm not on Linux right now >.O I'm forced to windows this moment... |
| 02:02.46 | nsadmin | well then, for now write it down... and if you find yourself strongly wanting to look at the man page now, you can find versions online |
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| 02:04.13 | man_in_shack | grr |
| 02:04.21 | man_in_shack | still having this damned problem with cups |
| 02:04.29 | nsadmin | my new smiley: >>>000 |
| 02:04.43 | nsadmin | it means "I am a pineapple!" |
| 02:04.43 | man_in_shack | whenever i try to print a pdf, i get `stopped "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftoraster failed"' in the jobs page |
| 02:05.04 | man_in_shack | does not happen with OOo docs or printing from iceweasel |
| 02:05.07 | man_in_shack | only pdfs |
| 02:05.18 | man_in_shack | and if i run pdftops on it, then print the ps, it works |
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| 02:08.13 | man_in_shack | printing from evince |
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| 02:29.04 | juniorsa | Hi, I have an sata drive mounted (NTFS) but it only mounts read only, I have tried mount -o remount,rw /root/hd1 but it says mount: block device /dev/sdb1 is write-protected, mounting read-only, any suggestions |
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| 02:29.39 | man_in_shack | juniorsa, kernel support for ntfs is read-only |
| 02:29.53 | juniorsa | oh, so there is no solution at this time |
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| 02:30.06 | man_in_shack | or if you're lucky, you can enable write mode, but the only thing you can do is overwrite existing data without changing the lenghts of the files |
| 02:30.26 | man_in_shack | juniorsa, install ntfs-3g if you REALLY need to write to an ntfs filesystem |
| 02:30.27 | krisfremen | juniorsa: ntfs-3g ? |
| 02:30.48 | krisfremen | i use it all the time, it's very stable.. no problems whatsoever |
| 02:30.57 | juniorsa | krisfremen: ok that sounds good |
| 02:31.02 | juniorsa | I'll give it a try |
| 02:31.06 | seeker7 | i need to install a video driver for a nforce nvidia on a k7mnf board |
| 02:31.25 | man_in_shack | be aware that ntfs-3g is slow because it's a FUSE system |
| 02:31.43 | moldovean | seeker7, use debian ? |
| 02:32.01 | seeker7 | at command prompt or here |
| 02:32.33 | seeker7 | debian ? |
| 02:32.57 | seeker7 | moldovean: i am using lenny |
| 02:33.13 | moldovean | seeker7, in qemu ? |
| 02:33.38 | juniorsa | man_in_shack: thanks |
| 02:33.41 | juniorsa | krisfremen: thanks |
| 02:33.47 | seeker7 | moldovean: need help to understand what is qemu |
| 02:33.47 | krisfremen | man_in_shack: i haven't seen any problems with speed... |
| 02:33.49 | man_in_shack | qemu emulates an nvidia gpu? |
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| 02:34.15 | krisfremen | it's even faster than what i get when mounting the same drive on windows |
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| 02:36.18 | seeker7 | man_in_shack: new to lenny where do i use qemu |
| 02:36.41 | man_in_shack | when you want to emulate a virtual computer |
| 02:37.08 | man_in_shack | seeker7, apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 02:37.34 | moldovean | seeker7, you'r on fedora or so, right ? |
| 02:38.37 | seeker7 | moldovean: i am on debian 5 |
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| 02:38.59 | moldovean | ok, my bad |
| 02:39.27 | moldovean | !tell seeker7 -about nvidia |
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| 02:52.31 | seeker7 | so i did the grep to determine what driver i was using but it did not tell me whether it was vesa or nv |
| 02:53.28 | seeker7 | i typed grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:54.15 | seeker7 | and this is what was returned oops module nv so would vesa be better? |
| 02:54.36 | seeker7 | and if so how would I install it |
| 02:55.12 | seeker7 | wiki says that the nvidia drivers might cause x to not work |
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| 02:57.07 | seeker7 | moldovean: i have nv so would vesa be better and how do i change |
| 02:57.41 | seeker7 | moldovean: wiki says that nv is better but it is not giving me what i want |
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| 03:00.04 | moldovean | grep nv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 03:00.18 | chovy | anyone know why my debian box would be extremely slow accessing the web, vs. other networked computers on the same lan? |
| 03:00.34 | mee | dns |
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| 03:00.47 | chovy | /etc/resolve.conf? |
| 03:00.48 | mee | ... is often a culprit, I've found |
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| 03:01.07 | chovy | mee: any advice? |
| 03:01.44 | mee | I'd try direct queries against the nameservers listed in resolv.conf using dig @x.x.x.x syntax, or switch them to public dns servers (like Google's 4.4.4.4 and 4.4.2.2 iirc) |
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| 03:02.07 | mee | to identify the problem the fix is likely either "wait it out" or "call your ISP" if DNS is the problem |
| 03:02.13 | Galaxy2000 | nslookup shit.com |
| 03:02.25 | seeker7 | moldovean: does grep nv etc take out nv and replace with vesa? |
| 03:02.41 | mee | s/m t/m. T/ |
| 03:03.04 | moldovean | seeker7, no , if it is there, means it is used |
| 03:03.34 | moldovean | annd that's ok |
| 03:03.45 | chovy | ping google.com gives 1e100.net on the slow box, and google.com on the other machines. |
| 03:03.45 | moldovean | s/annd/ and |
| 03:04.31 | seeker7 | moldovean: it is there so how can I change my resolution to more than 800X600 when that is the max |
| 03:04.47 | peterrooney | chovy: i had an isp once, its nameservers did not cache. |
| 03:04.56 | moldovean | seeker7, paste your xorg.conf |
| 03:05.44 | seeker7 | moldovean: and where do i paste it so i do not get bumped off? |
| 03:05.57 | karlpinc | !tell seeker7 about paste |
| 03:06.14 | moldovean | seeker7, paste too xrandr |
| 03:06.52 | Galaxy2000 | dig shit.com | grep Query |
| 03:07.24 | Galaxy2000 | ÑколÑко милиÑекÑнд показÑÐ²Ð°ÐµÑ ? |
| 03:07.33 | karlpinc | chovy: Check the dns server used by each box. Then figure out why the slow box is different. |
| 03:07.35 | Galaxy2000 | how many milliseconds shows? |
| 03:07.41 | karlpinc | !tell Galaxy2000 about ru |
| 03:07.55 | Galaxy2000 | sorry =) |
| 03:08.28 | seeker7 | moldovean: i feel like such a novice where is xorg.conf found |
| 03:08.51 | karlpinc | seeker7: It's either in /etc/X11/ or does not exist. |
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| 03:09.18 | moldovean | seeker7, /msg dpkg xorg.conf |
| 03:09.21 | user01 | ia64 is 64 bit debian right? |
| 03:09.53 | moldovean | no , is itanium , and64 is 64 |
| 03:09.54 | karlpinc | user01: 64 bit for the Intel Itianiaum (sp?) architecture, which is probably not what you have. |
| 03:10.02 | moldovean | amd64 * |
| 03:10.18 | user01 | intel core duo is amd64? |
| 03:10.24 | moldovean | y |
| 03:10.40 | user01 | ooooooooook |
| 03:10.41 | karlpinc | user01: Yes. amd came out with a downwardly compatible 64 bit cpu first. |
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| 03:11.03 | moldovean | user0, /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 03:11.35 | user01 | <was at 210 MB of 224 MB of ia64 download> :) |
| 03:11.56 | karlpinc | user01: At least you're sensible and using the netinstall image. |
| 03:11.58 | user01 | thought ia64 meant intel/amd 64 |
| 03:12.23 | moldovean | user01, thought == zero |
| 03:12.36 | user01 | karlpinc: but not sensible for downloading daily-build perhaps |
| 03:12.48 | moldovean | user01, reading == god |
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| 03:13.15 | user01 | > dev/null |
| 03:13.44 | user01 | wow that netinstall is a lot smaller |
| 03:13.53 | seeker7 | moldovean: it only holds items for keyboard should i run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 03:14.16 | seeker7 | moldovean: and i forget how do you close vi |
| 03:14.28 | user01 | seeker7: :q! |
| 03:14.48 | moldovean | "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" is depreciate |
| 03:14.58 | user01 | seeker7: unless you want to save your work |
| 03:15.14 | karlpinc | user01: If you don't know the difference between ia64 and amd64 you should probably be running stable. |
| 03:15.42 | user01 | karlpinc: i do know the difference . . . just didnt know the code difference |
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| 03:16.11 | karlpinc | user01: Ok. I had to look up what the install manual says about arches in wikipedia. |
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| 03:16.51 | user01 | karlpinc: i already have stable, this is for my vm anyway |
| 03:16.58 | seeker7 | user01: thanks |
| 03:17.23 | user01 | seeker7: :w if you want to write changes first |
| 03:17.32 | user01 | seeker7: :wq! to do it all |
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| 03:18.11 | seeker7 | moldovean: xrandr gives max as 800X600 |
| 03:18.25 | user01 | seeker7: just dont ask me about moving one space, to end of line beginning of line, half way down page, next screen commands :) |
| 03:18.57 | seeker7 | user01: ok i will not for that I will review my unix book |
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| 03:19.13 | user01 | seeker7: id have to do the same! |
| 03:19.22 | karlpinc | fails to understand why people use vi, oh well |
| 03:19.34 | user01 | karlpinc: its on the lpic exam :P |
| 03:19.57 | user01 | karlpinc: and its on like every version of unix almost |
| 03:19.59 | karlpinc | user01: No shit. How much of it? That's crazy. |
| 03:20.06 | moldovean | seeker7, that's my xorg , test or use it |
| 03:20.09 | moldovean | http://yourpaste.net/5760 |
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| 03:20.15 | user01 | karlpinc: emacs commands is too :) |
| 03:20.21 | karlpinc | user01: Yes, it's ubiquity is the virtue I find in it. |
| 03:20.22 | peterrooney | vi doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 03:20.36 | karlpinc | !start an edit war |
| 03:21.03 | user01 | karlpinc: personally i like windows notepad . . . hope that helps your war |
| 03:21.13 | peterrooney | karlpinc wrote, "start an editor war" # altered by pr, 2010 july |
| 03:21.42 | user01 | karlpinc: i install wine just so i can run windows notepad |
| 03:21.46 | user01 | haha |
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| 03:22.32 | peterrooney | how many distros have vi available for use by the installer? |
| 03:22.33 | moldovean | !editor |
| 03:22.34 | dpkg | somebody said editor was something used to edit (change, create, modify, append, remove stuff from) files. There are both text editors and binary editors. <vi> and <emacs> (or flavors of same) are the standard *nix editors, though n00b5 might find <nano>, <gedit>, <nedit>, etc., more useful. The usual difference between, say, an editor and a word processor is that editors _just_ do plain text. To change the default editor: 'update-alternatives ... |
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| 03:22.57 | user01 | i actually do all my text editing with sed, hehe |
| 03:22.59 | moldovean | opensolaris ? |
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| 03:23.27 | user01 | thats on the exam too :( |
| 03:24.01 | karlpinc | user01: But that makes sense. |
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| 03:25.43 | rxt0 | Hi there, i get this error while copying via scp "Received disconnect from 192.168.1.1: 2: Corrupted MAC on input" any clues? (Lenny) |
| 03:25.48 | moldovean | seeker7, nano come in debian, use it ;) |
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| 03:26.16 | karlpinc | rxt0: Your network's borked at the physical level? |
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| 03:26.42 | moldovean | rxt0, google it |
| 03:26.52 | rxt0 | alredy googled, no hint |
| 03:27.02 | rxt0 | changed switch, cables, even used crossover cable, changed nic |
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| 03:27.17 | karlpinc | rxt0: Nic at both ends? |
| 03:27.29 | rxt0 | nopes, only at one end, the server |
| 03:27.54 | karlpinc | rxt0: You could also try a backports.org kernel. |
| 03:28.06 | karlpinc | rxt0: In case it's a driver bug. |
| 03:28.14 | julio_ | hi, coming with a strange situation... i'm about to install debian on an old machine that does not support usb boot, has cd but the only media on wich i've burned lenny fails copying some files. Is there a way to install only the basic system so i can avoid the read errors and add what i need on a later basis? |
| 03:28.29 | rxt0 | not sure of, tried 3 different nics, with different drivers, and the same |
| 03:28.36 | rxt0 | could it be mobo/ram/cpu? |
| 03:28.58 | karlpinc | rxt0: Almost anything could be ram. or the rest of it. memtest86+ ? |
| 03:29.25 | seeker7 | moldovean: I think I am going to call it for the night and will try more options maybe tomorrow evening. thanks one and all |
| 03:29.35 | rxt0 | karlpinc: but in case of ram, shouldn't the system fully hang on? |
| 03:29.38 | karlpinc | julio_: Yes. It's on of those questions the installer asks. Just don't install anything when it asks what you want installed. |
| 03:29.42 | rxt0 | and randomly? |
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| 03:30.23 | moldovean | seeker7, just use my xorg, and you'r done |
| 03:30.28 | karlpinc | rxt0: Could be randomly flipping a bit. But it's strange that it always happens in the same way. Maybe it's deep in kernel space. |
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| 03:31.06 | rxt0 | and it's only copying stuff, if copying via NFS the system totally freezes |
| 03:31.21 | rxt0 | scp doesn't show this behaviour because it works at user level |
| 03:31.27 | karlpinc | julio_: Use the netinstall cd for minimal cd access. |
| 03:31.42 | karlpinc | julio_: (or pxe boot, but that takes setup.) |
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| 03:32.26 | rxt0 | i should try changing nic at the other end |
| 03:32.29 | karlpinc | rxt0: If the mac is "bad" then it's either in the driver or the nic. |
| 03:32.36 | moldovean | julio_, take off the hard drive , and install it on other machine .. |
| 03:32.50 | rxt0 | gotcha, thanks karlpinc |
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| 03:34.14 | julio_ | moldovean, don't have |
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| 03:34.31 | julio_ | karlpinc, how can i avoid installing anything? |
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| 03:35.17 | moldovean | julio_, do you have windows on that machine ? |
| 03:37.23 | julio_ | could be, not sure, i just powered it on to exorcise ! :p |
| 03:37.36 | moldovean | !debian.exe |
| 03:37.36 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. #goodbye-windows.com on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:37.37 | julio_ | but i feel like a fail priest now |
| 03:38.38 | julio_ | moldovean, just remembered, does not have that evil son |
| 03:38.45 | karlpinc | julio_: pxeboot installs straight off the network, but is easiest to setup if you've another unix box, in which case moving the drive back and forth can be easiest in the short term. |
| 03:39.47 | julio_ | none of that (net), 3rd world cheap informatics, lol... was that or putting a plant on it |
| 03:40.21 | julio_ | the only comunication that could have is a 3g modem, but dunno if it can be used during install |
| 03:40.25 | julio_ | assumed not |
| 03:41.10 | user01 | how do i configure aptitude to use a proxy? |
| 03:41.23 | path | you can set http_proxy |
| 03:41.24 | user01 | i have a link to a pac file |
| 03:41.40 | path | export http_proxy=http://proxy.tld:port |
| 03:41.57 | path | as aptitude uses wget it will work |
| 03:42.18 | moldovean | julio_, so you burned lenny on what system ? |
| 03:42.29 | julio_ | my laptop |
| 03:42.31 | julio_ | :D |
| 03:42.40 | user01 | path: ah ok, i just setup a testing fedora and i had to setup proxy in yum.conf |
| 03:42.46 | julio_ | from where i'm writing now |
| 03:43.04 | path | user01: no idea how yum works :) |
| 03:43.24 | path | btw this is just for a unique session, it wont last longer |
| 03:43.25 | moldovean | julio_, use a usb to attach the hard .. |
| 03:43.26 | user01 | path: me neither but yum/rpm is on lpic too with deb :P |
| 03:43.35 | karlpinc | user01: man apt.conf |
| 03:43.52 | user01 | path: wget automatically detects proxy then? |
| 03:43.59 | path | yes |
| 03:44.10 | julio_ | moldovean, i've tried booting from cd and loading files from a usb stick that has the same content as the cd but it stalls somewhere |
| 03:44.21 | user01 | path: or detects from http_proxy env variable? |
| 03:44.34 | path | user01: it detects the variable |
| 03:44.45 | julio_ | moldovean, can i do that or it will check the cd first then usb? |
| 03:44.52 | moldovean | julio_, use which image ? |
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| 03:45.09 | julio_ | 505 CD1 |
| 03:45.13 | moldovean | julio_, no |
| 03:45.22 | karlpinc | julio_: Have you perused the install guide for ideas? |
| 03:45.22 | moldovean | use netinstall |
| 03:45.45 | moldovean | julio_, /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 03:45.46 | karlpinc | moldovean: He says no network. |
| 03:46.22 | nutron | any way I can get the nv driver or .. the vesa driver for xorg to work on my lenny box which has an onboard nvidia 6250le chipset? |
| 03:47.12 | moldovean | nutron, install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
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| 03:47.39 | moldovean | or simply xorg |
| 03:47.44 | nutron | moldovean: it's in installed. The xorg log says it's an unknown card |
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| 03:48.08 | moldovean | lspci -nn | grep VGA , says ? |
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| 03:48.47 | demism | For some reason my default character encoding on mozilla is western, but pages i visit are showing up as UTF-8 and so I get all the funny characters... is there a way to change this permanently so that I don't have to change it? Does it have to do with my LANG variable being US_en.UTF8? |
| 03:49.28 | nutron | 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: mVodoa Cpr[pratopm C51 [Quadro NVS 21S/GeForce 6150LE] 10de:0245] (rev a2) |
| 03:49.34 | moldovean | , pciid 10de:0245 |
| 03:49.35 | judd | [10de:0245] is 'C51 [Quadro NVS 210S/GeForce 6150LE]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0245 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 03:51.14 | moldovean | nutron, lsmod | grep nvidiafb , says ? |
| 03:51.40 | nutron | it's loaded :/ |
| 03:51.55 | moldovean | ok, as root, modprobe nvidiafb |
| 03:52.06 | karlpinc | nutron: Perhaps a newer kernel? |
| 03:52.28 | Alystair | I'm currently trying to crunch a debian install, is there a way with aptitude/apt-get to see the largest packages installed? |
| 03:52.41 | Alystair | starting point is 914mb |
| 03:52.42 | nutron | it's loaded but i tried it again |
| 03:52.51 | karlpinc | Alystair: You did "aptitude clean"? |
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| 03:53.16 | karlpinc | Alystair: And/or fussed with apt so it does not cache? |
| 03:53.36 | Alystair | karlpinc: I just did a "clean" net install of just the system items |
| 03:54.03 | karlpinc | Alystair: IIRC apt will still cache. You don't want that. (I could be wrong) |
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| 03:56.11 | karlpinc | Alystair: The way I'd go about it is to read the aptitude manual (in html, ugh) and use -F (iirc) to get the size in the output and then pipe to sort. |
| 03:57.18 | karlpinc | Alystair: Be sure to pay attention to the apt "priority". |
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| 03:59.39 | karlpinc | Alystair: If you're really stuck, see the emdebian project. |
| 04:00.14 | moldovean | Alystair, i use debirf to do a "crunch debian" , get < 100 MB bootable system .. (when use 'minimal' option), and ~120 MB for simple X as icewm |
| 04:00.45 | karlpinc | prefers lxde |
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| 04:10.18 | nutron | ok even the vesa driver is getting it wrong. :/ |
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| 04:11.21 | acu_ | do you know what licence is Chrome under ? - I just install it in Squeeze - and Chrome is BLAZING - I think is twice as quick as Iceweasel |
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| 04:12.04 | lindi- | acu_: /usr/share/doc/chromium-browser/copyright |
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| 04:12.24 | moldovean | , chromium-browser |
| 04:12.32 | lindi- | acu_: 65 different licenses |
| 04:12.43 | acu_ | that's scary |
| 04:13.06 | acu_ | but it kicks butt - hands down - no science or statistics necessary |
| 04:13.10 | karlpinc | !tell nutron about backports.org |
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| 04:13.28 | lindi- | acu_: it's bit unstable on armel :) |
| 04:13.39 | acu_ | Even Republic of Moldova websites load in a blink of an eye |
| 04:13.53 | moldovean | heh |
| 04:13.59 | acu_ | lindi- that is a good point - it should be a version for android |
| 04:14.36 | nutron | apt-get -t lenny-backports install xorg; xorg is already the newest version. |
| 04:15.29 | acu_ | the biggest joke is the imposibility to see flash in Debian Squeeze - 90% of websites use flash |
| 04:15.35 | lindi- | acu_: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=48825 |
| 04:15.41 | karlpinc | nutron: The module's in the kernel. |
| 04:16.01 | moldovean | is* |
| 04:16.12 | lindi- | acu_: I have not used flash for years, it is possible :) |
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| 04:17.04 | karlpinc | does not want flash in his browser, but might like to see video someday. |
| 04:17.11 | acu_ | lindi- you live in a cave ? |
| 04:17.30 | acu_ | of course if you just browse debian.org that would do it |
| 04:17.57 | nevyn | acu_: occasionally fsf.org/philosophy |
| 04:17.59 | lindi- | acu_: no i want to use free software :) |
| 04:18.00 | acu_ | debian.org perhaps can be browsed with some arpanet secret tools |
| 04:18.14 | acu_ | lindi- also I want to live forever :) |
| 04:18.19 | acu_ | but I have to eat |
| 04:18.20 | nevyn | wants to use free software too. but I'm a hypocrite. |
| 04:18.23 | lindi- | acu_: tricky |
| 04:18.26 | acu_ | maybe have sex sometimes |
| 04:19.07 | moldovean | !sex |
| 04:19.07 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 04:19.16 | acu_ | LOL |
| 04:19.42 | moldovean | !lol |
| 04:19.42 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 04:20.18 | acu_ | bwahaha - I almost twisted my fingers :) |
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| 04:20.34 | Chris___ | How can I reformat an external HDD via terminal? |
| 04:21.07 | nevyn | Chris___: usb? |
| 04:21.35 | nevyn | Chris___: how I do it is read the kernel log using dmesg to identify what device it was recognised as. |
| 04:21.47 | Chris___ | nevyn: yes, USB |
| 04:21.58 | nevyn | then use parted to mkpartfs |
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| 04:22.21 | nevyn | Chris___: this is easiest if you read the kernel log just after plugging the device in. |
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| 04:23.02 | nevyn | Chris___: there may be a better way that I'm unaware of. |
| 04:23.29 | lindi- | nevyn: I would use /dev/disk/by-id nowadays |
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| 04:23.48 | nevyn | lindi-: how do you know which ID? maybe you mean by-path |
| 04:23.53 | Chris___ | is 'mkpartfs' the CLI command to reformat a partition? |
| 04:23.58 | nevyn | Chris___: nope |
| 04:24.11 | Chris___ | I'd like to setup a mass file transfer, reformat, then transfer back, to run while I go sleep |
| 04:24.13 | lindi- | nevyn: you look at timestamp |
| 04:24.23 | nevyn | lindi-: ooh tricky ;) |
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| 04:24.35 | nevyn | lindi-: still has fail if the device is plugged in at boot time tho. |
| 04:24.48 | lindi- | nevyn: yep you need to look it up once |
| 04:24.49 | nevyn | by-path is probably more reliable |
| 04:25.03 | Chris___ | so..what command line command do I use to format a disk? :p |
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| 04:25.07 | lindi- | nevyn: by-path is not very useful with multiple usb devices though? |
| 04:25.16 | acu_ | lindi- are you around ? |
| 04:25.24 | nevyn | lindi-: well no worse than by-id imho |
| 04:25.33 | nevyn | cause you can still use the timestamp tricks |
| 04:25.49 | lindi- | acu_: hmm, yes? |
| 04:25.50 | karlpinc | Chris___: Generally, you don't format, you either make partitions or filesystems. See the debian reference manual at debian.org and/or the debian wiki. |
| 04:26.02 | acu_ | I have lectures and tutorials - what way I can put them online - including youtube ? |
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| 04:26.09 | acu_ | since flash is bad |
| 04:26.13 | nevyn | and you know that /dev/disk/by-path/pci:000/ide is wrong while /dev/disk/by-path/usbblah is right. |
| 04:26.32 | nevyn | acu youtube doesn't take flash as incomming |
| 04:26.35 | lindi- | acu_: youtube works with gnash and youtube-dl |
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| 04:27.12 | lindi- | acu_: it used to work with swfdec too but broke a few months ago I think when youtube changed their program |
| 04:27.15 | acu_ | gosh lindi- why I have never seen gnash working ? |
| 04:27.16 | karlpinc | lindi-: (For some value of "works". :-) |
| 04:27.26 | lindi- | acu_: you are not interested in it? |
| 04:28.13 | acu_ | I am more masochist than you can think - I want to use free software - but I just cannot figure out realistic exit - for video |
| 04:28.28 | Chris___ | karlpinc: in a nutshell, my issue: http://pastie.org/1045145 |
| 04:28.34 | acu_ | I mean -to use Debian you need to love torture |
| 04:28.36 | lindi- | acu_: mplayer is in debian main now after years of struggle |
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| 04:28.39 | Chris___ | I know how to do all of that via command line, and in sequential order, except the reformat to FAT32 |
| 04:28.57 | Chris___ | but I'd like to just set it all up sequentially in command line so I can sleep during the 3 hours it'll take to do all that |
| 04:29.00 | zebradog | Chris___, fat32 is easy, mkfs.vfat |
| 04:29.30 | lindi- | acu_: encoding video is different business completely though |
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| 04:29.35 | Chris___ | because stupid friggin MS made xbox 360's only compatible with FAT32 external HDD's |
| 04:29.47 | moldovean | Chris___, it will not take hours ... |
| 04:30.00 | Chris___ | moldovean: for the large quantity of files, it will |
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| 04:30.07 | zebradog | Chris___, why would you do ntfs->fat32 conversion? fat32 cannot support greater sized files than 4gig |
| 04:30.14 | Chris___ | in total, it's moving around 700 GiB of data |
| 04:30.17 | acu_ | lindi- so what is the most puritan encoding business - futuristic, free and functional (three Fs) |
| 04:30.40 | Chris___ | zand: fat32 cannot do an overall partition size of 4+GiB, or 4+GiB files at a time? |
| 04:31.02 | Chris___ | er.. zebradog ** sorry zand |
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| 04:31.10 | moldovean | Chris___, you'r talking about formating, didn't you? |
| 04:31.18 | zebradog | Chris___, no, i'm saying the maximum filesize on fat32 is 4 gig |
| 04:31.30 | Chris___ | zebradog: oh..that ruins my parade |
| 04:31.45 | zebradog | Chris___, size of the filesystem is another story |
| 04:32.04 | acu_ | lindi- I tried to use youtube.com/html5 but when you browse around - it will take you to flash videos (which do not work in squeeze) thanks to a free but unFunctional solution |
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| 04:32.07 | Chris___ | moldovean: I have a 1 TiB HDD with all my media on it. I used to use a 250 GiB HDD to play video, music, photos, etc, on my 360. My library grew too large, and now I need a larger HDD. |
| 04:32.34 | Chris___ | I put all my stuff on my shiny newly formatted NTFS 1 TiB HDD, and my 360 tells me it's an unsupported file format |
| 04:32.40 | Chris___ | google tells me 360's only read FAT32 |
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| 04:32.56 | Chris___ | this confuses me, as I thought my initial 250 GiB HDD was NTFS as well |
| 04:33.02 | Chris___ | which always worked fine |
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| 04:33.46 | lindi- | acu_: need to leave for work now sorry :) |
| 04:33.51 | moldovean | Chris___, ask #xbox |
| 04:33.57 | acu_ | lindi- do good job |
| 04:34.11 | acu_ | thanks for the insight - I am actually looking at fsf videos |
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| 04:34.23 | acu_ | I am going to give 10$/month |
| 04:34.39 | acu_ | freedom is not free :) |
| 04:34.50 | moldovean | what a troll that acu .. |
| 04:34.54 | Chris___ | thanks moldovean |
| 04:35.04 | moldovean | np |
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| 04:38.36 | moldovean | acu_, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am8QVJSoEPg |
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| 04:43.25 | craigevil | mmmm html5 video |
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| 04:43.50 | user01 | if i enter a html proxy during initial setup, it should stay configured, right? |
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| 05:33.15 | linux2 | anyone know how I can get the fglrx ati drivers on debian squeeze for a card older than the r6xx series? The radeon driver only provides about 80fps |
| 05:33.23 | linux2 | in glxgears |
| 05:34.14 | craigevil | !ati |
| 05:34.14 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 05:34.56 | rozie | linux2: you will have problem with newer kernels |
| 05:35.12 | rozie | only old fglrx supports older cards |
| 05:35.26 | rozie | and it also support only older kernels |
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| 05:36.48 | linux2 | rozie, humm ok, I had it working in lenny before. I have tried using the lenny sources to get the fglrx modules, but it has a dependency error "xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) but it is not going to be installed", but that doesn't make any sense cause I use version 11. |
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| 06:31.19 | xpilz | Hello. I want to install Debian. But when I'm at this ftp: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-dvd/, do I have to download every ".iso" file? I get confused because I can't imagine that Debian is so huge. |
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| 06:31.44 | ham5 | you are ... in the iso-dvd dir |
| 06:31.58 | xpilz | yes |
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| 06:32.09 | moldovean | !netinstall |
| 06:32.10 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 06:32.21 | moldovean | xpilz, ^^ |
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| 06:33.56 | xpilz | mh.. I have a working Internet connection.. |
| 06:34.12 | moldovean | so ? |
| 06:34.17 | ham5 | ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 06:36.05 | xpilz | moldovean: Yes. Also my Wlan card is not acceptet. But anyways then I have a small base of Debian. |
| 06:36.07 | xpilz | That's good, thank you :). |
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| 06:39.41 | mistrynitesh | cannot update iceweasel from 3.5.8 to 3.5.10.... it says, 'unmet dependencies' & 'E:broken packages' |
| 06:40.14 | moldovean | , versions iceweasel |
| 06:40.16 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
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| 06:41.28 | mistrynitesh | i have backports enables |
| 06:41.28 | mistrynitesh | *enabled |
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| 06:41.30 | mistrynitesh | the version table shows 3.5.10 but cannot update |
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| 06:41.43 | moldovean | !lenny-backports |
| 06:41.43 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
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| 06:42.54 | PandaCatcheur | hi * |
| 06:43.34 | mistrynitesh | moldovean: thanks, but i've already added the repo... its only that i am unable to update the particular package. Are you trying to tell me something that I am not able to understand |
| 06:43.39 | craigevil | mistrynitesh: are you doing aptitude -t lenny-backports install icewesael |
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| 06:43.49 | mistrynitesh | no |
| 06:44.09 | mistrynitesh | just apt-get update shows 'held back' |
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| 06:44.24 | craigevil | you have to specify backports |
| 06:44.44 | mistrynitesh | and apt-get install iceweasel shows 'unmet dependencies' error |
| 06:44.57 | mistrynitesh | should i try the '-t' thing? |
| 06:45.34 | moldovean | .. use craigevil command |
| 06:45.39 | craigevil | you have to use -t lenny-backports |
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| 06:45.57 | mistrynitesh | just a moment |
| 06:46.02 | craigevil | and use aptitude |
| 06:46.43 | craigevil | likes the shiny new icewesel beta, except for the act that very few extensions work, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:2.0b1) Gecko/20100709 Iceweasel/4.0b1 (like Firefox/4.0b1) |
| 06:47.39 | mistrynitesh | '-t |
| 06:48.11 | mistrynitesh | command gives that 'libsilc' will be removed... is it okay? |
| 06:48.38 | craigevil | using this command> aptitude -t lenny-backports install icewesael |
| 06:48.39 | happosade | How to clone GWs and other important configs from eth1 to eht0, only IP-address is different. |
| 06:49.07 | mistrynitesh | craigevil: yes, it gives that message |
| 06:50.07 | mistrynitesh | anyways i am going ahead with it |
| 06:50.23 | mistrynitesh | feels adventurous |
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| 06:52.31 | craigevil | libsilc is for the SILC network, if you do not use it its not big loss to remove it |
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| 06:55.22 | mistrynitesh | craigevil: never even heard of it... |
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| 06:55.30 | moldovean | mistrynitesh, anyways, any time you may install/reinstall it or others .. is usual things |
| 06:55.50 | mistrynitesh | ok thanks! |
| 06:56.03 | Cope | I'm trying to resize an lvm volume group which proivdes the storage for a kvm image. I've resized it with lxextend, but when I run resize2fs I get: resize2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/vmdisk/largo-disk |
| 06:56.19 | Cope | Attempting to run an fsck gives similar: fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/vmdisk/largo-disk |
| 06:58.05 | ice799 | I am using Debian Lenny amd64. If I allow core dumps (by setting a reasonable limit in /etc/security/limits.conf) who is actually taking the core dump? Does PAM hook segfaults and force a core dump? |
| 06:58.10 | Cope | actually hang fire... if anyone can help, please do, but I've just realised this is on my single red hat kvm host - all my others are squeeze.... but this isn't, so I guess it' actually off topic |
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| 07:04.43 | linux2 | has anyone else experienced the problem with KMS with an ATI card using the radeon module? I receive the error outlined on http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo and I have tried updating grub to include "radeon.modeset=1" but it still doesn't work on boot. I have to stop the kdm and restart it to get it to work. any ideas? |
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| 07:08.13 | happosade | I need to get IP 83.150.92.135 to eht0, whit netmask 255.255.255.0 and gw 83.150.92.254. DNS could be google's or so. So what should I command? |
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| 07:16.10 | Elephantman | hi :) I'm looking for a way to extract all email addresses from a series of text files, was thinking grep would help me but I'm having difficulties. Could anyone show me the right direction ? |
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| 07:22.01 | jelly-home | !tell happosade about interfaces |
| 07:22.02 | rubin110 | I would like to pump audio out of some USB speakers, man speaker-test has a -D option to specify the device you want to test. Where can I find a list of audio devices that this is asking for? |
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| 07:23.52 | jelly-home | happosade: or use ifconfig to set the network parameters manually and edit /etc/resolv.conf to set dns servers manually for the time being |
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| 07:28.36 | lindi- | rubin110: aplay -l |
| 07:29.19 | rubin110 | lindi-: Ok, what am I exactly referencing when using the -D switch for speaker-test? |
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| 07:29.53 | rubin110 | lindi-: http://pastebin.com/rvCzrHxv |
| 07:29.56 | rubin110 | That's what I see. |
| 07:30.16 | nutron | can I upgrade all of gnome via lenny-backports? if so.. how? :) |
| 07:30.35 | moldovean | nutron, no |
| 07:30.46 | lindi- | rubin110: hw:0 and hw:1 at least |
| 07:30.53 | nutron | moldovean: fair enough |
| 07:31.17 | moldovean | lenny-backports it's not un upgrade for lenny |
| 07:31.26 | shtrb | anyone here famuilier with Orange (prefered the IL part) modems |
| 07:31.45 | nutron | I know, I was just hoping... it somehow was ... =D |
| 07:32.25 | rubin110 | lindi-: speaker-test says -D hw:1 is an invalid argument. |
| 07:32.45 | lindi- | rubin110: it is probably trying to use samplerate that your USB device does not support. |
| 07:32.48 | moldovean | nutron, update maybe , upgrade no |
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| 07:33.03 | lindi- | rubin110: try "plughw:1" to do software mixing |
| 07:33.09 | shtrb | Do Orange use RST packet based authorization ? |
| 07:33.25 | rubin110 | lindi-: Well if feed it -D hw:0 for my onboard audio, it also gives the same invalid argument error. |
| 07:33.55 | lindi- | rubin110: and without -D hw:0 it works? |
| 07:34.12 | rubin110 | lindi-: It spits out audio through my onboard card. |
| 07:34.59 | moldovean | nutron, /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 07:35.03 | lindi- | rubin110: maybe the default is plughw:0? |
| 07:35.21 | rubin110 | Oh yay. |
| 07:35.25 | rubin110 | plughw:1 |
| 07:35.32 | rubin110 | Wish that was documented in a man page somewhere. |
| 07:35.40 | lindi- | rubin110: it's so dynamic and all that :) |
| 07:36.04 | rubin110 | Thanks! |
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| 07:41.38 | rubin110 | lindi-: Any chance you know what mpg123 is looking for when specifying device? |
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| 08:01.20 | rubin110 | Can ls list everything with full path? |
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| 08:03.21 | julienaa1111 | Hi, basic question : how do you change locale for a system user that doesn't have a home directory without changing default system locale? thx for your answers |
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| 08:03.53 | shtrb | LOCALE=... |
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| 08:05.42 | julienaa1111 | system user, no shell, no home |
| 08:06.46 | themill | !wayttd julienaa1111 |
| 08:06.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, julienaa1111? |
| 08:07.17 | julienaa1111 | I'm trying to change language for on user |
| 08:07.21 | julienaa1111 | -one |
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| 08:07.37 | julienaa1111 | without change default system language |
| 08:08.12 | julienaa1111 | for a system user without home directory (though i could create a "fake" home, but i'd rather not) |
| 08:08.29 | themill | if it's a system user (no shell, no (real) home), then you're actually trying to change the language for one particular application, not for the user, presumably |
| 08:08.38 | julienaa1111 | that's it |
| 08:08.56 | julienaa1111 | but the app uses LANG |
| 08:09.03 | julienaa1111 | env var |
| 08:09.06 | themill | and the app is... |
| 08:09.10 | julienaa1111 | no way to change it inside the app |
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| 08:09.17 | themill | .oO(this is like drawing teeth) |
| 08:09.23 | julienaa1111 | the app is a nagios compiled plugin |
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| 08:09.48 | julienaa1111 | with user nagios |
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| 08:10.00 | rubin110 | Odd question now, does anyone know of a alarm clock like app I could simply run in a shell session? |
| 08:10.14 | themill | julienaa1111: so set LANG prior to running the plugin, through a wrapper if necessary |
| 08:10.41 | rubin110 | I have a headless server, I want an alarm to blast music out of the speakers at a particular point in time everyday. |
| 08:10.53 | rubin110 | In order to disarm it, I need to wake up, SSH in and tell it to stop. |
| 08:11.32 | julienaa1111 | themill, could be a solution, but i'd rather not, just asking for an other way that i don't know to change it for the user |
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| 08:12.38 | themill | julienaa1111: there is no concept of "the language for a user", there is the concept of "the language for this set of processes" or "the language for this program". |
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| 08:13.12 | julienaa1111 | themill, ok thx |
| 08:13.32 | julienaa1111 | so i'm gonna read a little about that |
| 08:13.36 | julienaa1111 | thx |
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| 08:16.00 | mikexcr | hi everyone |
| 08:16.02 | omid8bimo | http://cubez.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/free-hugs/ |
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| 08:16.34 | mikexcr | who's get squeeze and lenovo sl500? ;) |
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| 08:17.31 | themill | omid8bimo: please don't do that. |
| 08:17.53 | omid8bimo | themill: oops! wrong channel! sorry! |
| 08:18.22 | rubin110 | Ok. |
| 08:18.32 | rubin110 | Let's see if using my server as an alarm clock is going to work... |
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| 08:19.01 | rubin110 | I should add in some sort of math problem into this script... |
| 08:19.06 | rubin110 | Woah. |
| 08:19.07 | rubin110 | Actually. |
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| 08:19.17 | rubin110 | I could just run this as a web page... |
| 08:19.29 | rubin110 | Then disarm it from my phone. |
| 08:19.59 | mikexcr | squeeze don't tearny hard disk :( |
| 08:20.22 | mikexcr | tear * |
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| 08:23.58 | tapio | No iptables are blocking it, netstat -nl shows tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 08:25.22 | Arrowmaster | tapio: do you have an http server running? |
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| 08:26.04 | tapio | Arrowmaster: it shows up as filtered when running an http server aswell as not running. If I change the LIsten port to 81 it 80 still shows up as filtered, while 81 works |
| 08:26.25 | mquin | tapio: 'filtered' usuauly means something upstream of target device is blocking it |
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| 08:26.53 | tapio | Yeah, i've been talking to our network guy to, he sais nothing should be blocked or filtered |
| 08:27.19 | tapio | is there anything other than iptables that can "filter" the ports? |
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| 08:30.24 | tapio | Nevermind, turns out to be the network. :> |
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| 09:11.07 | mikeos | bzed: oh, I know, sorry. Anyway if i change my question to: "How do debian kernel packages perform update of grub.cfg - inclusion of the newly installed kernel", would I receive some hints? THanks. |
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| 09:19.17 | kripz | Does the mythvideo's internal player support vpdau? |
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| 09:19.35 | mikeos | I solved the problem: /etc/kernel-img.conf was missing lines postinst_hook and postrm_hook |
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| 09:19.52 | kripz | oops wrong channel |
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| 09:21.11 | dutchfish | mikeos: i dont know about ubuntu, but in debian /etc/kernel-img.conf handles that (man kernel-img.conf) |
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| 09:22.14 | mikeos | dutchfish: thanks, I found out already, before I consistently used bad keywords in google for this problem ;-) |
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| 09:22.54 | dutchfish | mikeos: ah ok |
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| 09:24.03 | mikeos | dutchfish: <mikeos> I solved the problem: /etc/kernel-img.conf was missing lines postinst_hook and postrm_hook |
| 09:24.09 | mikeos | dutchfish: I appreciate your help however! |
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| 09:45.50 | project2501a | hey guys, icedove displays the date column using the american convention for dates |
| 09:46.11 | project2501a | how do i change that? i need the Japanese one, YYYY-mm-DD |
| 09:47.33 | jelly | project2501a: a decent application would follow the settings in LC_TIME environment variable |
| 09:47.40 | project2501a | lol |
| 09:47.46 | project2501a | nice dish |
| 09:47.49 | project2501a | diss, even |
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| 09:48.04 | jelly | I don't know whether your app is decent or not. |
| 09:48.10 | project2501a | icedove |
| 09:48.15 | jelly | !tias |
| 09:48.15 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 09:48.31 | project2501a | hmm to be fair, LC_TIME is not set in my system |
| 09:48.44 | jelly | project2501a: "locale" command show current settings |
| 09:48.47 | project2501a | jelly: good morning |
| 09:49.11 | project2501a | LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 09:49.12 | project2501a | aha |
| 09:49.14 | jelly | eh, 'tis around noon here already |
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| 09:49.22 | project2501a | jelly: are you in the uK? |
| 09:49.37 | project2501a | where do i change the locals settings from? |
| 09:49.37 | jelly | I'm in CEST (UTC+2) |
| 09:49.47 | project2501a | ah! ok :) |
| 09:50.06 | jelly | project2501a: just set LC_TIME to whatever you want |
| 09:50.30 | project2501a | yeah, but that was set somewhere in the system |
| 09:50.34 | project2501a | i'd rather set it in the system |
| 09:50.44 | jelly | !tell project2501a about locales |
| 09:50.49 | project2501a | danke |
| 09:51.18 | jelly | project2501a: you can put it in /etc/default/locale manually afterwards |
| 09:51.40 | jelly | eg. mine has |
| 09:51.41 | jelly | LANG=hr_HR.UTF-8 |
| 09:51.42 | jelly | LC_MESSAGES=C |
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| 09:53.28 | project2501a | i just want to change LC_TIME, s'all |
| 09:53.45 | project2501a | i might as well edit /etc/default/locale |
| 09:54.10 | eevar2 | any simple way to see where my bandwidth is going? -- something is sucking down my entire upstream |
| 09:54.20 | eevar2 | well, all 100KB/s :p |
| 09:54.27 | project2501a | porn? |
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| 09:54.52 | project2501a | eevar2: check to see what apps you got open |
| 09:55.14 | project2501a | other than than it's a bit an involved process to report bandwidth usage |
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| 10:02.59 | project2501a | i got to disagree with how debian handles the locale. i should be asked how i want to handle each setting in the locale and not set everything to a single locale. |
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| 10:03.46 | niklaswe_backup | hmm hey, any ide about this.. after i upgrade new kernel.. it change tty when it booting up.. |
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| 10:05.05 | simonrvn | it's called export project2501a |
| 10:06.46 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/80500/ |
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| 10:10.27 | project2501a | sigmonsays: morning mate |
| 10:11.05 | simonrvn | hi (i know it was a mis-tab ;p) |
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| 10:22.44 | mikexcr | why, debian, why ;( |
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| 10:24.12 | jalal | Hello |
| 10:24.28 | project2501a | yhi |
| 10:24.31 | project2501a | mikexcr: ? |
| 10:24.48 | mikexcr | project2501a: squeeze don't tear my hdd :( [installer] |
| 10:24.57 | mikexcr | Hard Disk not found. |
| 10:24.59 | mikexcr | why?! |
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| 10:25.14 | cwillu_at_work | real men deboostrap |
| 10:26.04 | project2501a | tear your hdd? |
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| 10:26.32 | project2501a | mikexcr: what is the type of controller you are using? |
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| 10:27.20 | alcy | any ruby/rails/rack users here ? |
| 10:27.38 | project2501a | alcy: only lisp, sorry. |
| 10:27.38 | alcy | how do I make rails/rack/ruby apps see the gems/ruby-libs installed from Debian's package manager instead of the gempackage manager ? |
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| 10:28.25 | alcy | turns out gems and their dependencies are royally effed and I would rather use libs provided by debian isntead |
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| 10:30.26 | project2501a | how on earth do i setup ldap in icedove? |
| 10:32.22 | mikexcr | project2501a: idk, lenovo sl500, on lenny 5.0.5 working fine, all ok |
| 10:32.41 | project2501a | wut? |
| 10:33.14 | mikexcr | i don't know, what is here controller |
| 10:33.15 | mikexcr | ;) |
| 10:33.26 | mikexcr | second question, if I connect external monitor LCD i can't configure two desktops, on external monitori i see the same desktop |
| 10:33.44 | mikexcr | [my english is not good, i know...] |
| 10:34.07 | project2501a | it's ok, as long as we can understand each other |
| 10:34.27 | project2501a | if you don't know what the controller is, may i suggest you boot from live |
| 10:34.31 | project2501a | and do an lspci |
| 10:35.18 | project2501a | mikexcr: what videocard do you have? nvidia? |
| 10:35.37 | mikexcr | nope |
| 10:35.41 | mikexcr | sec |
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| 10:36.30 | mikexcr | project2501a: integrated Intel GMA X4500 |
| 10:37.17 | project2501a | mikexcr: i don't quite know how to do that with intel. frankly, i'm a lazy bastad and i let nvidia-config do that on my laptop |
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| 10:52.57 | jelly | mikexcr: xrandr utility is your friend |
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| 10:53.28 | jelly | (or other, gnome/kde/xfce specific RandR frontend) |
| 10:54.15 | project2501a | hmph |
| 10:54.33 | project2501a | are there any stand-alone tools used to view ldap accounts in gnome? |
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| 10:54.58 | jelly | mikexcr: use just "xrandr" to see which outputs are available, and something like xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of HDMI1 --auto |
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| 10:56.59 | mikexcr | jelly: check... |
| 10:58.39 | mikexcr | i connect over vga-port |
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| 11:02.57 | jelly | and some other port obviously, else you wouldn't have two screens |
| 11:03.39 | jelly | mikexcr: connector for the laptop display might be named LVDS1 |
| 11:04.07 | jelly | mikexcr: if in doubt, pastebin the output of "xrandr" |
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| 11:09.47 | project2501a | hey guys, are there any ldap browsers in debian? |
| 11:10.37 | ksk | maybe gnome/kde have some build in? |
| 11:10.42 | mikexcr | jelly: http://wklej.org/id/364854/txt/ |
| 11:10.43 | project2501a | nope |
| 11:10.52 | ksk | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LDAP-HOWTO/graphicaltools.html |
| 11:11.19 | mikexcr | jelly: how to change laptop LCD: left desktop, and external LCD: right desktop |
| 11:11.21 | jelly | mikexcr: you're using debian 5? |
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| 11:11.43 | mikexcr | yep |
| 11:11.44 | mikexcr | :( |
| 11:12.49 | jelly | mikexcr: the old version of xorg in there doesn't set up things optimally of multiple screens. You'll have to generate and use an xorg.conf file, /msg dpkg dual monitors |
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| 11:15.36 | jelly | mikexcr: when you have set up that Virtual line in xorg.conf to large enough values for your screens, you'll be able to get native resolutions on both with the geometry you specified |
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| 11:16.08 | vici0us | i compiled a kernel, where can i find the initrd.img.... Or do i have to create it myself? Thanks in advance |
| 11:17.05 | lindi- | vici0us: why did you compile linux? |
| 11:17.08 | jelly | vici0us: update-initramfs is the tool to use. You might also want to look up packaging your custom kernel, /msg dpkg k-p |
| 11:17.34 | vici0us | lindi: because im studying for LPIC-2 |
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| 11:17.57 | vici0us | jelly: Thank you |
| 11:18.07 | jelly | vici0us: previously mkinitrd might have been used; not for current Debian any more |
| 11:18.48 | vici0us | jelly: aha nice to know. All those ancient LPIC-2 guides are still using mkinitrd |
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| 11:19.13 | jelly | vici0us: tell them to update to 2008! |
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| 11:19.48 | vici0us | jelly: Will do :p. Thanks for your help |
| 11:20.38 | jelly | np. those are probably still good for general linux knowledge; actual tools change relatively fast |
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| 11:21.57 | vici0us | jelly: the new LPIC-2 detailed objectives still contain mkinitrd. Dunno why. Maybe it still comes in handy in some cases for some distros |
| 11:23.00 | jelly | vici0us: many other distros use it, that's correct. current RHEL5 and 4 and its clones, for example |
| 11:23.39 | jelly | vici0us: you might want to do your homework on a CentOS machine (as well) |
| 11:23.50 | jelly | there will be interesting differences |
| 11:23.52 | nsadmin | what's wrong with mkinitrd |
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| 11:24.47 | vici0us | jelly: installing centOS |
| 11:25.06 | mikexcr | jelly: i'll get halt desktop on laptop and second halt to LCD Monitor :( |
| 11:25.07 | jelly | nsadmin: it's been useless since sometime between etch and lenny, due to not supporting udev well |
| 11:25.17 | mikexcr | half * |
| 11:25.20 | mikexcr | rotfl. |
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| 11:25.35 | jelly | nsadmin: with a custom kernel and a udevless machine, it might work I think |
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| 11:28.35 | nsadmin | so you gotta have mkinitramfs? |
| 11:29.43 | petemc | yaird worked for a while |
| 11:30.09 | petemc | may still work, not sure |
| 11:30.54 | jelly | yaird and initramfs-tools maintainers don't like each other very much |
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| 11:32.21 | jelly | I used yaird for a bit on static /dev machines but gave up and installed udev everywhere eventually (initramfs-tools require udev); it's not as horrible as it used to be |
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| 11:33.30 | jelly | and after having had a look I have to agree that yaird scripts aren't well written |
| 11:33.43 | lindi- | jelly: udev is still a stranger to many admins. it took me a while to figure out how to change the permissions of /dev/ttyS0 |
| 11:34.15 | lindi- | (without rebooting, that is!) |
| 11:34.27 | jelly | chmod ;-) |
| 11:34.32 | lindi- | indeed |
| 11:34.41 | lindi- | but that was far from obvious |
| 11:34.51 | jelly | but you probably meant "how to change them permanently" |
| 11:35.12 | jelly | ie. to keep the changes across reboots |
| 11:35.25 | lindi- | jelly: yes you need to both issue chmod and modify /etc |
| 11:35.32 | lindi- | jelly: or only modify /etc and reboot |
| 11:36.18 | lindi- | (in theory there's a third option but only udev gurus know about it) |
| 11:36.21 | jelly | also, having an empty static /dev introduces additional headaches in some boot-loader situations |
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| 11:41.25 | mikexcr | where I set (graphical) position of desktops? |
| 11:42.03 | jelly | lindi-: there's that one file saying "black magic do not touch this file doesn't exist" |
| 11:43.16 | ksk | :D |
| 11:44.05 | jelly | # This file does not exist. Please do not ask the Debian maintainer about it. |
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| 11:50.21 | judgen | should this: gtk-icon-theme-name="/usr/share/icons/Ken'sIcons" in the gtkrc-2.0 file not select that icon theme for gtk apps? |
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| 11:55.22 | nsadmin | not so sure about that apostrophe |
| 11:56.07 | jelly | that'd be a very dumb bug, but a common one |
| 11:56.57 | judgen | aah ok.. |
| 11:57.21 | judgen | So i should just change that in the theme.index file to something without an apo? |
| 11:57.38 | nsadmin | also not so sure about the hyphens in the var name; I guess this is not a shell script |
| 11:58.07 | nsadmin | does the dir name actually have an apo? |
| 11:58.13 | judgen | yes |
| 11:58.35 | judgen | but it is no matter, as long as anything but the default works =D |
| 11:58.46 | judgen | it is too military gray for me. |
| 11:58.48 | nsadmin | hmm... then quoting it as it is, is appropriate |
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| 11:59.55 | judgen | oh well ill see if that work now.. i am using amiwm so i have to relog to change the icons... brb |
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| 12:01.05 | judgen | Ok, that did not work. |
| 12:01.52 | judgen | sadly |
| 12:02.17 | judgen | is there a man page for the gtkrc-2.0 file somewhere? |
| 12:02.34 | jelly | judgen: that's wishful thinking! |
| 12:02.44 | judgen | haha |
| 12:04.35 | nsadmin | maybe there are logs that show what happened |
| 12:05.38 | judgen | nsadmin, now that is wishful thinking =D |
| 12:05.51 | streuner_ | judgen: this might help, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes#The_gtkrc_File |
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| 12:07.20 | nsadmin | wishful thinking always produce search terms! |
| 12:07.56 | streuner_ | google helps :-P |
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| 12:10.14 | jelly | !gtkrc |
| 12:10.28 | jelly | dpkg: gtkrc is http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes#The_gtkrc_File |
| 12:10.28 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 12:11.09 | judgen | sadly that is how to make a theme, and does not help with seting icons. Atleast what i could find on that page. |
| 12:11.35 | judgen | I actually needed that page a week ago. |
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| 12:11.38 | judgen | hehe |
| 12:12.20 | streuner_ | true, you usually use a filemanager like nautilus to show icons |
| 12:12.51 | streuner_ | in GNOME, but there is another package in Debian which shows icons without it |
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| 12:14.43 | judgen | I just want thunar and some other apps to use some other theme than tango. But i can not use a settings deamon as i use AmiWM. |
| 12:15.13 | judgen | The gtk theme was sucessfully set in the gtkrc-2.0 as well as the icon sizes.. but the themes eludes me. |
| 12:15.18 | judgen | icon themes that is |
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| 12:18.36 | judgen | ill try something different this time... brb. |
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| 12:19.21 | streuner_ | "AmiWm is a window manager for die-hard Amiga lovers" |
| 12:19.46 | streuner_ | must be very true (Newsflash: amiwm0.20pl48 now out! (1998-03-15) |
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| 12:21.27 | streuner_ | How about to just use some modern WM? |
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| 12:21.35 | judgen | Hmm where does gnome-session saves it's .gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 12:21.47 | judgen | streuner_, don't be silly... it is modern enough. |
| 12:21.49 | streuner_ | usually the live in ~/ |
| 12:21.50 | judgen | =D |
| 12:21.54 | streuner_ | Newsflash: amiwm0.20pl48 now out! (1998-03-15) |
| 12:21.59 | streuner_ | true :-P |
| 12:22.14 | X-Raimo | is there any kernel updates for debian lenny? Kernel 2.6.26 looks rather old |
| 12:22.24 | streuner_ | !bpo |
| 12:22.25 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
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| 12:22.27 | judgen | streuner_, IT works fine, and i really like how the screens are handled.. (i am an old amigan) |
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| 12:22.44 | nsadmin | .32 is in backports |
| 12:23.15 | X-Raimo | backports (as well as know) are unstable. |
| 12:23.30 | nsadmin | and is that bad? |
| 12:23.42 | nsadmin | remember you asked the question. |
| 12:23.56 | themill | X-Raimo: "I want the newest" and "I don't want anything that's not really old and well tested" and somewhat incompatible. |
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| 12:24.40 | judgen | AmiWM should be considered "Well tested" =D |
| 12:24.41 | nsadmin | what reason do you have to upgrade the kernel? |
| 12:24.59 | X-Raimo | i have server, so need to understand is it too stable to install on server |
| 12:25.10 | nsadmin | what reason do you have to upgrade the kernel? |
| 12:25.30 | judgen | nsadmin, unless you want a particular feature of that kernel or there is a major scurity hole.. none afaik. |
| 12:25.49 | nsadmin | exactly... but let him respond |
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| 12:26.24 | nsadmin | "kernel is old" is not a reason to upgrade |
| 12:26.40 | X-Raimo | themill: I don't say "I want newest". Many discro's (such aas SuSE) have well tested 2.6.3x kernels. |
| 12:26.45 | liable | why is debina so old? lol |
| 12:27.03 | nsadmin | ina agrees with you |
| 12:27.04 | themill | X-Raimo: and not as well tested as 2.6.26... |
| 12:27.27 | themill | X-Raimo: and you're the one that just described 2.6.32 from bpo as being unstable. |
| 12:27.57 | liable | if the 26 supports your hardware, what the issue here? |
| 12:27.58 | nsadmin | and that description very likely applied without knowing facts |
| 12:28.12 | X-Raimo | the issue in hardware. |
| 12:28.14 | streuner_ | liable: we still guessing... |
| 12:28.23 | streuner_ | which part? |
| 12:28.27 | judgen | liable, it can sometimes be due to the fact that the same kernel version is used on many different hardware plattforms and has to be tested there too.. whilst most distros only do x86 in it's 2-3 variations. |
| 12:28.55 | judgen | Debian supports many |
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| 12:29.24 | liable | that didnt make much sense to me, but nevermind |
| 12:29.38 | streuner_ | X-Raimo: which bit of your hardware isnt supported? |
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| 12:30.37 | X-Raimo | streuner_: one second pls. |
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| 12:31.08 | X-Raimo | streuner_: wi-fi module. |
| 12:31.23 | streuner_ | wifi in server? |
| 12:31.24 | liable | on a server? |
| 12:31.34 | nsadmin | a server that connects with wifi? |
| 12:31.40 | streuner_ | omg |
| 12:31.44 | liable | hahaha |
| 12:31.49 | nsadmin | oh sorry :) we covered that :) |
| 12:31.54 | liable | someelse say server! |
| 12:32.25 | X-Raimo | yes. It wasn't my idea. There's router which also provides wi-fi. |
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| 12:33.48 | nsadmin | well wifi makes it convenient so that you can place the server wherever... but for the sake of security and privacy, you might want to make an eth cable |
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| 12:35.51 | judgen | Or coax >D |
| 12:36.06 | X-Raimo | nsadmin: wi-fi isn't primary connection type to server. Primary is gigabit LAN |
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| 12:36.49 | dutchfish | X-Raimo: what is the exact type of your wifi card? |
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| 12:36.55 | themill | suspects we're all just going to go around in circles here, never getting any further details |
| 12:37.07 | X-Raimo | dutchfish: ath9k |
| 12:37.32 | streuner_ | thats the driver, we need info about the chipset |
| 12:37.42 | dutchfish | X-Raimo: what does lspci say? |
| 12:39.26 | X-Raimo | dutchfish: right now I have no access to this server. |
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| 12:39.47 | dutchfish | X-Raimo: as streuner explained we need that info |
| 12:39.55 | mogglefrange | Hi. Is there a cluster job queue that is *not * sun grid engine, that is in apt? |
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| 12:40.37 | X-Raimo | the chipset is: nVidia® nForce® Pro 2200 / 2050 Server chipset |
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| 12:41.33 | themill | mogglefrange: torque is in debian now |
| 12:41.39 | cnu | anyone know how to get the latest Debian Live running? `lh build` gives: "P: Begin install linux-image...\ncp: cannot stat `chroot/boot/initrd.img-*': No such file or directory" |
| 12:41.42 | dutchfish | X-Raimo: well, specifically the info that is outputted for the wifi card form lspci, then we have a clear picture for a good advise |
| 12:42.15 | mogglefrange | themill: ah, thanks |
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| 12:42.52 | themill | X-Raimo, dutchfish: if it wants ath9k, then it is well supported with 2.6.32 and probably not at all with 2.6.26. You already know where the bpo kernel is. |
| 12:43.06 | themill | (and "lspci -nn" is even more useful) |
| 12:44.40 | X-Raimo | themill: I know. So I backup and update kernel at weekend. |
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| 12:45.26 | themill | wonders what all the bitching and whining was about |
| 12:46.21 | dutchfish | wonders too, because he is happely running a *server* as a firewall acces point over WPA2 |
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| 12:46.48 | eli_ | good morning all! |
| 12:49.30 | X-Raimo | themill: it wasn't bitching and whining. I just asked the advice. What's wrong with it? |
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| 12:51.22 | Chris___ | "mkfs.hfsplus: /dev/sdc1: partition size not a multiple of 4K." <--halp please |
| 12:51.25 | mns | Anyone have suggestions for a good cd burner to use ? for audio and data files ? |
| 12:51.37 | dutchfish | X-Raimo: he prolly didnt ment you ;) |
| 12:51.40 | Chris___ | divide my total KB on the disk by 4, round down, and resize to that? |
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| 12:52.19 | cusco | mns: wodim |
| 12:52.50 | streuner_ | mns: hardware or software? |
| 12:52.52 | cusco | mns: mns if you use gnome, brasero for a graphical based one |
| 12:53.19 | cusco | I guess he wouldn't ask about hardware in #debian |
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| 12:53.58 | streuner_ | true, but i read it that way |
| 12:54.37 | mns | software not hardware. |
| 12:54.42 | streuner_ | k3b isnt that bad |
| 12:54.55 | mns | cusco: I don't use gnome/kde/xfce |
| 12:55.11 | streuner_ | all things just run under any WM/DE |
| 12:55.22 | cusco | sure |
| 12:55.33 | X-Raimo | bye |
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| 12:56.46 | cusco | k3b has always worked for me whenever any other wouldn't |
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| 12:57.05 | cusco | tho, I find I can do most with wodim on cli |
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| 12:58.49 | mns | streuner_: true, I just try to keep a minimal system and avoid gnome/kde bloat as much as possible. I'll use wodim. I tried xfburn but I've never had a good experience with it. |
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| 13:05.44 | visof | how can i format freebsd partition from Debian ? |
| 13:05.52 | visof | it's in /dev/sda2 |
| 13:06.27 | visof | /dev/sda2 * 1 41596 20964352+ a5 FreeBSD |
| 13:06.40 | visof | the output of fdisk -l |
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| 13:07.31 | xyan | depends on what filesystem you want, mkfs.? |
| 13:07.52 | visof | xyan i want it fat32, or ntfs |
| 13:08.07 | visof | mkfs fat /dev/sda2 ? |
| 13:08.18 | xyan | nope its mkfs.vfat for fat32 |
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| 13:08.28 | xyan | you need dosfstools package to do that |
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| 13:09.06 | xyan | ntfs is provided by ntfsprogrs the kernels own implementation or the ntfs-3g package some third party implementation |
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| 13:09.56 | aguitel | how to add printer in debian? |
| 13:10.19 | xyan | localhost:631 |
| 13:11.08 | visof | xyan, mkfs -t fat32 /dev/sda2 ?? |
| 13:11.39 | visof | oh |
| 13:11.48 | visof | i didn't observe what you typed before |
| 13:11.49 | xyan | come again ;) |
| 13:11.50 | visof | thanks |
| 13:11.53 | visof | no no |
| 13:11.55 | visof | sorry |
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| 13:13.28 | redax | hi. |
| 13:13.30 | jeromeg | hello |
| 13:13.56 | redax | seems like something wrong with freetds in sid (squeeze) |
| 13:14.24 | petemc | redax: sid and squeeze are different things |
| 13:14.35 | petemc | squeeze is testing, sid is unstable |
| 13:14.43 | jeromeg | I'm trying to install debian testing on a netbook. I grabbed the netinstall image and used unetbootin to create an usb key. The install fails at "Mout CD-Rom" because there is obviously no cd-rom as I'm using an usb key. |
| 13:14.49 | redax | ok. I know. |
| 13:14.52 | jeromeg | How am I supposed to handle that? |
| 13:15.05 | redax | so connecting to MSSQL from sarge works |
| 13:15.16 | redax | from squeeze it segfaults |
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| 13:17.48 | jordanm | jeromeg: unetbootin does not function properly, follow the official install guide. also note that the testing installer may be broken |
| 13:17.54 | jordanm | !tell jeromeg about usb install |
| 13:18.25 | jeromeg | oh ok |
| 13:18.34 | jeromeg | thanks for the tip jordanm |
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| 13:21.15 | redax | hmmm.. same stuff working from lenny |
| 13:21.40 | redax | what shall I do? recompile freetds and odbc? |
| 13:23.45 | jelly | ,versions libct4 |
| 13:23.45 | judd | libct4 -- lenny: 0.82-4; sid: 0.82-7; squeeze: 0.82-7 |
| 13:24.11 | jelly | redax: which client are you using, sqsh? Something else? |
| 13:24.22 | redax | actually isql |
| 13:24.49 | jelly | redax: does sqsh segfault with relevant lib* packages from squeeze as well? |
| 13:24.54 | redax | I need to create a local mysql copy of a view, iSQL is sufficient for this |
| 13:25.15 | redax | actually don't know sqsh :-) |
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| 13:25.48 | jelly | redax: which packages is iSQL part of? |
| 13:25.59 | redax | unixodbc |
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| 13:26.50 | redax | uhh. can you help me with the sqsh paratmeters? |
| 13:26.59 | jelly | redax: I'd verify that sqsh segfaults as well. |
| 13:27.11 | jelly | yeah, lemme check my environment |
| 13:27.19 | martianlobster | could someone remind me, what is the name of that utility for cutting large files into many smaller files of equal size, and then reassembling the pieces? |
| 13:27.44 | petemc | split ? |
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| 13:28.11 | martianlobster | thanks! |
| 13:28.14 | petemc | np |
| 13:28.36 | martianlobster | yes thats it :) I was trying every synonym but that one lol, cut, slice, .... |
| 13:29.43 | jelly | redax: http://paste.debian.net/80510/ |
| 13:30.10 | jelly | redax: that worked for connecting to MSSQL 2005 |
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| 13:31.55 | jelly | ,versions odbcinst1debian2 |
| 13:31.57 | judd | odbcinst1debian2 -- sid: 2.2.14p2-1; squeeze: 2.2.14p2-1 |
| 13:32.14 | jelly | ,depends unixodbc |
| 13:32.15 | judd | unixodbc -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1), libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), odbcinst1debian1 (>= 2.2.11-3). |
| 13:32.19 | jelly | ,versions odbcinst1debian1 |
| 13:32.20 | judd | odbcinst1debian1 -- etch: 2.2.11-13; lenny: 2.2.11-16 |
| 13:33.15 | jelly | redax: if sqsh works, that means the bug could be in either unixodbc or freetds |
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| 13:33.20 | martianlobster | petemc: or anyone else, after I cut a file into smaller pieces, send the pieces to where they need to go, how do I put them back together on the other side? |
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| 13:35.27 | dave_largo | Morning, we have 600 thin clients with Debian Lenny on them and the Xserver is crashing for people using compiz about once every two weeks. I was hoping someone could look at this dump and tell me which package to file against: http://pastebin.ca/1901046 |
| 13:35.47 | redax | jelly: does DSQUERY=<some> means the DSN defined in /etc/odbc.ini ? |
| 13:35.48 | dave_largo | Is this the ati xserver package or mesa? |
| 13:36.26 | redax | jelly: or the server name? |
| 13:36.31 | redax | not hostname I mean |
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| 13:37.45 | redax | whoa . works |
| 13:37.53 | petemc | martianlobster: cat |
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| 13:38.29 | redax | jelly: seems like it works |
| 13:38.45 | martianlobster | petemc: so cat will work with binary files allso? cat binary1 binary2 > bigbinary |
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| 13:39.32 | redax | jelly: isnt ` echo "SELECT 1" | isql ' acceptable syntax? |
| 13:40.40 | petemc | martianlobster: yes |
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| 13:41.28 | martianlobster | petemc: thanks! |
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| 13:43.43 | noahir | hi how can i limit bandwith for everything on my server box ? |
| 13:43.45 | noahir | is that possible ? |
| 13:43.59 | io | Is there a command that will clear the logfiles in /var/log? |
| 13:44.35 | martianlobster | petemc: I just tried it out and it worrks! thanks :) |
| 13:44.37 | jordanm | io: rm? |
| 13:44.46 | ksk | io: maybe echo "" > * |
| 13:44.54 | ksk | but why? :P |
| 13:45.06 | io | jordanm: Removing them breaks things, as I have found before. |
| 13:45.44 | noahir | how can i limit bandwith for everything on my server box ? |
| 13:45.47 | jordanm | io: removing the dir breaks things, the files shouldn't, as long as you restart the syslog service afterwards. really, you should just be using logrotate though |
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| 13:46.27 | io | jordanm: I don't want them rotated, I want them removed (this time, as a one of). |
| 13:47.15 | noahir | none can help me :p |
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| 13:47.43 | jordanm | noahir: using a gateway capable of QOS |
| 13:47.46 | ksk | noahir: google can |
| 13:48.01 | ksk | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/limit-the-speed-of-a-network-interface-634904/ |
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| 13:50.44 | mo_o | morning guys! |
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| 13:52.13 | mo_o | i have a problem and dont really know how to solve it. i used debootstrap to install Debian under CentOS. the kernel is booting fine so far but / is located on a logical volume and i dont know why but it's unable to load that volume |
| 13:52.39 | jordanm | mo_o: did you install lvm? |
| 13:52.52 | mo_o | where? |
| 13:53.05 | jordanm | mo_o: on the debian machine with lvm / |
| 13:53.37 | mo_o | mm i just did debootstrap so i dont really know |
| 13:53.49 | mo_o | and a default kernel should come with lvm support, no? |
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| 13:55.20 | jordanm | mo_o: yes, the kernel supports it, but the userspace tools are not there by defualt |
| 13:55.49 | jordanm | mo_o: install lvm and try again |
| 13:55.51 | mo_o | but where do i have to install it? i mean, if the tools are located on the lv as well, it's kinda useless, no? |
| 13:55.52 | mo_o | ok |
| 13:56.24 | mei | I have a second hard drive which I want to mount in /backup, should it be primary or logical? |
| 13:56.28 | jordanm | mo_o: wait let me make sure I understand the issue. you are getting a kernel panic due to failure to mount /? |
| 13:56.39 | mo_o | failure due to mount / |
| 13:56.42 | jordanm | mei: does not matter |
| 13:56.55 | jordanm | mo_o: also make sure menu.lst and /etc/fstab are correct |
| 13:57.14 | mo_o | fstab: /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 / auto defaults 0 1 |
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| 13:57.43 | mo_o | menu.lst: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 |
| 13:57.50 | the_file | hi |
| 13:57.53 | mo_o | should be fine, no? |
| 13:57.56 | jordanm | mo_o: auto filesystem type? |
| 13:58.01 | the_file | um I am looking for debian 5 kde |
| 13:58.02 | jordanm | thats not in my manpage |
| 13:58.23 | the_file | doesent' work: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html |
| 13:58.30 | the_file | the iso links are dead |
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| 13:58.58 | jordanm | the_file: you can use the standard netinst cd and select kde form the advanced options |
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| 13:59.02 | mo_o | ok i replace it by ext3 |
| 13:59.21 | the_file | jordanm: link please |
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| 13:59.39 | the_file | all I found was this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ and its confusing |
| 13:59.42 | jordanm | the_file: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 13:59.52 | jordanm | !tell the_file about ig |
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| 14:00.36 | jordanm | mo_o: was that kernel line generated by update-grub? |
| 14:01.03 | mo_o | jordanm: no i just copied |
| 14:02.03 | the_file | jordanm: thanks, but I guess I want the full cd |
| 14:02.09 | mo_o | mm same problem even though lvm2 package is installed |
| 14:02.12 | the_file | jordanm: since I want multiple installs |
| 14:02.33 | jordanm | mo_o: that is not what the install guide says to do |
| 14:02.46 | jordanm | mo_o: after you get a kernel panic, does it list available partitions? |
| 14:03.00 | mo_o | it's not a kernel panic though |
| 14:03.21 | jordanm | well, a kernel panic is what happens when it fails to mount / |
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| 14:03.40 | mo_o | btw, what install guide? |
| 14:03.44 | jordanm | !ig |
| 14:03.44 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.5) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 14:04.02 | jordanm | section D3 covers debootstrap |
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| 14:04.56 | redax | jelly: seems like isql is buggy in squeeze... |
| 14:05.17 | redax | jelly: thanks for your help. |
| 14:05.37 | mo_o | mm i used another guide |
| 14:05.50 | jordanm | mo_o: on the debian wiki? |
| 14:05.55 | mo_o | i'll try this one out |
| 14:05.57 | mo_o | yeah |
| 14:06.11 | mo_o | which is MUCH shorter ^^ |
| 14:06.17 | jordanm | yes, it is |
| 14:06.32 | the_file | is there any reason my integrated ati chipeset doesen't work? |
| 14:06.44 | mo_o | the_file: no kernel modules? |
| 14:06.48 | the_file | I did download the linux driver off the ati site |
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| 14:06.58 | mo_o | you mean graphics card drivers? |
| 14:07.04 | the_file | yes I guess |
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| 14:07.15 | mo_o | did you try radeon? it's pretty good these days |
| 14:07.17 | the_file | well it "legacy" and the driver was release in 2009 |
| 14:07.26 | the_file | not yet thought |
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| 14:07.28 | mo_o | and you dont need to do all that fglrx shit |
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| 14:07.32 | jordanm | the_file: you should use debian packaged fglrx, if you must use it |
| 14:07.36 | jelly | redax: I'd try rebuilding unixodbc and installing rebuilt packages, it mgiht help. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:07.37 | jordanm | !tell the_file about ati |
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| 14:07.42 | jordanm | !tell the_file about fglrx |
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| 14:07.49 | the_file | reads |
| 14:08.14 | redax | jelly: what's wrong with the `echo "SELECT 1" | sqsh ' syntax anyway? |
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| 14:08.39 | the_file | I assume the new cards are well supported by x right?. |
| 14:08.41 | mo_o | jordanm: the install guide breaks at "MAKEDEV generic" |
| 14:08.49 | jelly | redax: missing ; ? |
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| 14:08.57 | mo_o | localhost:/dev# MAKEDEV generic |
| 14:08.57 | mo_o | .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 14:09.01 | jelly | redax: select 1 from where/ |
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| 14:09.24 | jordanm | mo_o: do you have /dev mounted from the host? |
| 14:09.34 | redax | jelly: I had `;' ... |
| 14:09.41 | redax | jelly: same command now works |
| 14:09.49 | jelly | redax: riight! :-D |
| 14:09.49 | redax | jelly: strange. anyhow, thanks |
| 14:10.23 | jordanm | mo_o: if the /dev/ filesystem appears to be populated (and is not the /dev/ system from the host), you can probably skip that |
| 14:10.28 | jelly | it's a strange syntax now that I've grown accustomed to "select 1 from dual" |
| 14:10.43 | mo_o | jordanm: it's a "broken" centos below, so i guess yeah |
| 14:10.53 | redax | aaa. mssql missing LIMIT <X> ? |
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| 14:14.39 | jelly | redax: let me google that for you: http://www.google.com/search?q=mssql+limit |
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| 14:16.00 | taras | hi. after some upgrade in testing, I can't set cpu frequency policy in powerdevil; cpuinfo http://pastebin.ca/1901067 |
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| 14:18.10 | taras | is that known problem? |
| 14:18.50 | mo_o | jordanm: it says i'm supposed to run the command grub-install /dev/mydev but when i do that, it's bitching that /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 is not found or not a block device |
| 14:20.02 | mo_o | but it's also not finding /dev/sda1, which is the partition where grub is installed under centos |
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| 14:22.16 | michalxo | hello all! I am having printer-scanner issues |
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| 14:22.57 | michalxo | I can't scan anything.. my scanimage -L shows only v4l:/dev/video0 what is WEBCAM.... what is wrong please? |
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| 14:23.06 | michalxo | in ubuntu it worked right away |
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| 14:23.11 | SURFkees | How can I unload the ipv6 module without rebooting the system? I've removed all ipv6 addresses from all interfaces and stopped all services that were using ipv6 |
| 14:23.19 | jelly | SURFkees: you can't |
| 14:23.24 | jelly | !tell SURFkees about noipv6 |
| 14:23.32 | SlayerXP | aur |
| 14:23.35 | SlayerXP | err |
| 14:23.57 | michalxo | canimage -L device `v4l:/dev/video0' is a Noname Chicony USB 2.0 Camera virtual device |
| 14:24.15 | SlayerXP | SURFkees: rmmod ipv6 |
| 14:24.23 | SURFkees | says the module is in use :( |
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| 14:25.35 | SlayerXP | prolly all the netfilter stuff is binding it |
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| 14:25.48 | smhar | I can not seem to find a spot in the gnome panel where I can click to add applets!! |
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| 14:27.25 | jelly | SlayerXP: that particular module just cannot be unloaded, ever |
| 14:28.17 | SlayerXP | jelly: you appear to be correct, how bizarre. |
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| 14:28.43 | jelly | SlayerXP: indeed. Better to give advice for things you actually have experience with. |
| 14:29.23 | SURFkees | Thanks jelly for the confirmation |
| 14:29.42 | amgarching | Hi, are there known issues about LSI 1068E on-board raid controller with lenny? |
| 14:30.02 | smhar | how to add the applet that changes the keyboard layout language to the gnome panel? |
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| 14:32.40 | jordanm | mo_o: you need to either do it from outside the chroot with --root-dir OR you must mount /dev from the host into the chroot |
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| 14:33.27 | michalxo | smhar right click on panel -> add keyboard indicator |
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| 14:34.06 | smhar | michalxo, there is no keyboard indicator in the list! |
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| 14:36.13 | the_file | I don't get the difference security wise between openbsd and supposee... debian |
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| 14:36.18 | the_file | I mean strickly desktop use what are the security differences?. |
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| 14:37.02 | michalxo | smhar aptitude show gnome-applets (install this one) |
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| 14:38.05 | jordanm | the_file: the security models are similar as they are both *nix |
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| 14:38.42 | smhar | michalxo, it says it is installed |
| 14:39.08 | the_file | but why is openbsd well known for its security?. |
| 14:39.36 | michalxo | smhar reinstall |
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| 14:40.20 | michalxo | anyone able to help with HPLIP? |
| 14:40.22 | jordanm | the_file: because it is, essentially very secure. openbsd brought us big secuirty-related projects such as openssl and openssh |
| 14:40.39 | smhar | michalxo, done, do I need to relogin to gnome? |
| 14:40.41 | jordanm | the_file: it would be best to ask an openbsd channel, as we are debian users... |
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| 14:41.12 | the_file | Im in that channel now.. |
| 14:41.34 | the_file | hmm |
| 14:41.36 | the_file | http://polishlinux.org/choose/comparison/?distro1=OpenBSD&distro2=Ubuntu |
| 14:41.37 | michalxo | smhar probably not.. see for yourself |
| 14:41.50 | the_file | interesting, it can encrypt the I/O of disks |
| 14:42.33 | smhar | michalxo, because it is still not there |
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| 14:42.33 | michalxo | smhar just logout and login |
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| 14:43.48 | the_file | it is |
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| 14:44.05 | the_file | the kde enviroment is better |
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| 14:48.01 | michalxo | smhar it's in notification area... add this one to panel.. they moved it.. heh :-) |
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| 14:51.16 | project2501a | hey guys, how can i force a perticular mode creation when creating directories under a subdir? |
| 14:51.29 | project2501a | i thought it was the sticky bit, but apparently it's not |
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| 14:53.50 | danslo | project2501a: I'm not sure I understand the question.. do you mean setting permissions with mkdir? just use the -m flag... 'man mkdir' |
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| 14:54.55 | project2501a | danslo: nah, sorry, brain booted into greek this morning :) |
| 14:55.06 | danslo | heh |
| 14:55.32 | project2501a | danslo: nah. i got a filesystem mounted under /foo . i got data under /foo. i want all dirs under /foo to be created as 0775 |
| 14:55.48 | project2501a | for all users stepping into that dir |
| 14:56.05 | lindi- | project2501a: i don't think that is supported |
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| 14:56.53 | project2501a | lindi-: fine. crontab job with find, then :) |
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| 14:57.17 | project2501a | my users want to alter their default umode, but that is just inviting trouble |
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| 14:57.55 | danslo | project2501a: never used it, but umask may be what you need |
| 14:58.23 | project2501a | nah |
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| 14:58.35 | project2501a | i don't want to give a more permissive umask to users |
| 14:58.39 | project2501a | that's inviting trouble |
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| 14:58.47 | project2501a | crontab entry it is |
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| 15:05.47 | guzu | hello all |
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| 15:06.01 | jelly | project2501a: no way to do that with normal posix permissions, they don't get inherited from parent |
| 15:06.15 | jelly | except setgid |
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| 15:07.47 | guzu_ | i've installed debian testing and i have no network connections |
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| 15:08.23 | guzu_ | and there's nothing in the /lib/firmware |
| 15:08.34 | guzu_ | no files, anything |
| 15:08.51 | guzu_ | during install, the installer said something about some firmware |
| 15:09.02 | guzu_ | unfortunately i didn't right that down |
| 15:09.22 | jordanm | guzu_: what kind of interface are you trying to setup? provide the lspci -nn line for it |
| 15:09.45 | guzu_ | the netcard is a:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02) |
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| 15:10.09 | jordanm | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 15:10.12 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 15:10.19 | jordanm | !r8169 |
| 15:10.20 | dpkg | [r8169] the Realtek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. Several r8169 bugs were corrected in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21. A MDIO timing issue affecting DHCP operation (Debian bug #583139) was fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.26-24, ask me about <5.0.5>. |
| 15:10.30 | michalxo | !bugreport |
| 15:10.33 | michalxo | !bug |
| 15:10.33 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 15:10.51 | jordanm | guzu_: I don't that that required non-free firmware, but if something does, you should see the same warning in "dmesg" |
| 15:11.07 | jordanm | !tell michalxo about message the bot |
| 15:11.27 | guzu_ | jordanm: i didn't see anything special about ethernet interface |
| 15:11.37 | michalxo | thanks Jordan_U |
| 15:11.40 | michalxo | jordanm ;-) |
| 15:12.09 | guzu_ | is in ubuntu now, so that i can talk :) |
| 15:12.29 | project2501a | hum |
| 15:12.48 | project2501a | one more thing guys, sorry to bother you. i want to set up LAM, an mpi implementation on debian |
| 15:12.55 | project2501a | but i can't find the packages |
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| 15:13.19 | jordanm | guzu_: well, it seems I am using the same chip, and it works without additional firmware |
| 15:13.43 | guzu_ | jordanm: what could be the problem, then? |
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| 15:14.13 | jelly | project2501a: none of, say, apt-cache search LAM |grep -i mpi ? |
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| 15:14.14 | jordanm | guzu_: wrong configuration? |
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| 15:14.34 | guzu_ | jordanm: networkmanager, no configuration done, yet |
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| 15:14.45 | project2501a | jelly: none that i've seen. i'll take another chance |
| 15:14.50 | project2501a | s/chance/look |
| 15:14.52 | jordanm | guzu_: well, configure it |
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| 15:15.03 | guzu_ | jordanm: ok, bbl, thank you very much\ |
| 15:15.26 | jelly | project2501a: yeah. openmpi-bin description only mentions it, "we stole from the best: (FT-MPI, LA-MPI, LAM/MPI, and PACX-MPI)" |
| 15:15.29 | project2501a | jelly: guess whut. it's my diabetes :D it makes me temp bling: i find it :D |
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| 15:15.35 | guzu_ | jordanm: are you in debian testing? |
| 15:15.38 | project2501a | i think i found it at least |
| 15:15.47 | project2501a | lam-runtime |
| 15:15.55 | jelly | ,versions lam-runtime |
| 15:15.57 | judd | lam-runtime -- etch: 7.1.2-1; lenny: 7.1.2-1.4; sid: 7.1.2-1.5; squeeze: 7.1.2-1.5 |
| 15:16.19 | guzu_ | jordanm: */ have you seen the card working in debian testing? |
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| 15:18.12 | jordanm | guzu_: I am using stable, but I know that it also works in testing |
| 15:18.48 | jordanm | guzu_: on a side note, I filed a bug against that driver about 2 weeks ago... failed to allocate memory... |
| 15:19.30 | guzu_ | jordanm: thanks again. hope i don't have to reinstall the system for that :) yes, i believe i\ve seen something about a bug in dmesg |
| 15:19.54 | jordanm | guzu_: in my case "ifconfig eth0 up" was failing |
| 15:19.57 | guzu_ | but i thought the system was updated during install |
| 15:20.20 | jordanm | why would you need to reinstall the system? |
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| 15:21.52 | guzu_ | jordanm: no network, no fun :) |
| 15:22.10 | Ox90 | no reinstall = extra fun :P |
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| 15:23.53 | guzu_ | ok, bbl, thank you |
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| 15:26.51 | michalxo | is there any helper with scanning devices? |
| 15:26.54 | michalxo | I am stuck :-( |
| 15:27.06 | michalxo | I can print but I can't use scanner :-( |
| 15:27.29 | cahoot | michalxo: a multifunction device? |
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| 15:28.26 | michalxo | yes |
| 15:28.32 | jordanm | michalxo: are you in the "scanner" group? |
| 15:28.34 | michalxo | I am unable to list it.. |
| 15:28.54 | michalxo | it can;'t even detect my scanner correctly |
| 15:28.58 | keratacon | Apache question: I set listen to 8080, but now when I look at or curl http://localhost:8080 I see a 404 error and not index.html. What gives? |
| 15:28.59 | michalxo | it detects only webcam |
| 15:29.09 | michalxo | jordanm yes I am |
| 15:29.23 | michalxo | scanimage --list device `v4l:/dev/video0' is a Noname Chicony USB 2.0 Camera virtual device |
| 15:29.43 | jordanm | keratacon: do you have NamedVirtualHost *:8080? |
| 15:29.51 | xyan | michalxo: vendor / model? |
| 15:29.54 | michalxo | sane-find-scanner found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0, product=0x5611) at libusb:001:009 |
| 15:30.16 | michalxo | and I can't move from here anywhere :-( |
| 15:30.22 | xyan | hp :) |
| 15:30.41 | cahoot | michalxo: check perms on /dev/bus/usb/001/009 |
| 15:30.42 | michalxo | yes.. it worked great with ubuntu (default), just here are problems :( |
| 15:31.06 | keratacon | no, I'll put that into ports.conf |
| 15:31.15 | michalxo | crw-rw-r-- cahoot what C means? |
| 15:31.30 | xyan | character device... |
| 15:31.39 | michalxo | aha |
| 15:31.43 | cahoot | owner |
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| 15:31.56 | cahoot | scanner or lp? |
| 15:31.57 | michalxo | hurray! |
| 15:32.06 | michalxo | multi |
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| 15:32.16 | michalxo | scanner with lp (if it's printer) |
| 15:32.25 | jelly | michalxo: if you care, info coreutils 'What information is listed' |
| 15:32.27 | mo_o | jordanm: sorry i had to go to a meeting. so how do i mount the /dev folder from the "hostos" into the chrooted one? |
| 15:32.27 | michalxo | chmod 0666 :-/ |
| 15:32.33 | cahoot | owner/group - scanner or lp? |
| 15:32.51 | jelly | mo_o: mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
| 15:33.03 | michalxo | jelly what am I searching there with coreutils? |
| 15:33.09 | mo_o | mm makes sense *blush* |
| 15:33.12 | jelly | michalxo: what "c" means |
| 15:33.34 | jelly | also what other stuff can be there |
| 15:33.48 | michalxo | ahaa thnaks :) |
| 15:34.08 | michalxo | cahoot what is lp? |
| 15:34.13 | michalxo | classic printer? |
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| 15:34.29 | cahoot | michalxo: a group I guess you want to be in to use the device |
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| 15:35.00 | michalxo | I've added myself everywhere :-) lpadmin and scanner and lp |
| 15:35.01 | mo_o | jordanm: nice so grub-install is now bitching it can not read stage1 correctly even though it created that file itself?!?!?! |
| 15:35.23 | cahoot | michalxo: and logged/out/in? |
| 15:35.28 | michalxo | yes |
| 15:35.41 | michalxo | finally! I can see devices to choose from in xsane! great! |
| 15:36.02 | xyan | does it work? is that yours? http://www.sane-project.org/unsupported/hp-photosmart-3180.html |
| 15:36.09 | michalxo | I just don't understand why it has to read as "all" |
| 15:36.12 | michalxo | *write |
| 15:36.23 | michalxo | yes 3180 |
| 15:36.41 | jordanm | mo_o: why did you create it yourself?? the grub package should create it |
| 15:36.46 | keratacon | jordanm: I added NameVirtualHost *:8080 right be fore Listen 8080 and I'm still getting 404 errors |
| 15:36.53 | jordanm | mo_o: also, it should contain binary data |
| 15:36.55 | mo_o | jordanm: that's what i meant |
| 15:36.59 | michalxo | xyan yes, it works finally :-) should it be reported as a bug? |
| 15:37.12 | mo_o | jordanm: grub created it but is bitching about not being able to read it correctly |
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| 15:37.35 | xyan | michalxo: you can mail the sane project page to update their site if it scans for you, sure |
| 15:37.40 | jordanm | keratacon: does your vhost config also specify the correct port the the <VirtualHost> element? |
| 15:37.54 | keratacon | jordanm: probably not... |
| 15:38.16 | keratacon | jordanm: is that in sites-available/default? |
| 15:38.28 | jordanm | keratacon: I suggest going back through apache's vhost documentation |
| 15:38.44 | jordanm | keratacon: I have no idea how your setup is. that would be the default, yes |
| 15:38.52 | mo_o | damn still doesnt work.... |
| 15:39.01 | jordanm | mo_o: I am not sure on that one |
| 15:39.03 | keratacon | jordanm: this is straight out of apt-get |
| 15:39.26 | jordanm | !tell keratacon about why aptitude |
| 15:39.53 | keratacon | jordanm: i know, i know, old habits die hard |
| 15:40.41 | keratacon | ok that worked, thanks so much |
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| 15:44.35 | guzu | jordanm: you won't believe this: it seems that the interface is not controled by networkmanager |
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| 15:44.54 | guzu | stoping nm and starting networking started eth0 |
| 15:45.14 | jordanm | I don't use network-manager so I can't really comment there |
| 15:45.41 | jordanm | if I use a desktop meta package, nm and avahi are the first to go |
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| 15:49.08 | guzu | ok, dpkg bot told me how to fix this, thank you all and happy hackin :) |
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| 15:51.53 | laieman | Hi. I'm thinking of either use NTFS or ext3 on spare disk - but is there some big disavantages by using ntfs rather than ext3? (I mainly want to use NTFS so I can read it from my dualboot Windows) |
| 15:52.17 | laieman | Performence? Security? Instable? |
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| 15:52.58 | Vroomfondle | you can read ext3 from Windows if you like (http://www.fs-driver.org/) |
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| 15:53.29 | Vroomfondle | but NTFS from Linux works pretty well these days. Stability seems to be pretty good. You won't be able to use proper POSIX permissions though. |
| 15:53.36 | jordanm | I would trust linux's ability to read NTFS more than vice-versa |
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| 15:54.03 | epic_age | you can use debian even to have write support to ntfs |
| 15:54.25 | Vroomfondle | I wouldn't. NTFS is a closed format, after all - the NTFS driver is reverse-engineered, whereas the Windows ext driver is built using information which is freely available. |
| 15:54.33 | Vroomfondle | but either way you'll probably be okay |
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| 15:56.10 | epic_age | if you want to mount your windows partition, from synaptic install disk-manager |
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| 15:59.49 | jordanm | epic_age: shouldn't assume people have synaptic installed |
| 16:00.10 | jordanm | or that people do not have packages held in aptitude that synaptic will not honor |
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| 16:23.17 | FabParma | Is someone expert with "Tracker search engine"? I tried many ways, but it still not indexing. Can you help me please? |
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| 16:41.42 | FabParma | im i banned? |
| 16:41.53 | tsccof | FabParma: apparently not |
| 16:42.07 | eli_ | what's the corresponding tool in debian for kickstart? |
| 16:42.18 | valdyn | !kickstart |
| 16:42.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, kickstart is a utility developed by and distributed with Red Hat allowing you to install large numbers of identical linux boxes. The HOWTO homepage is located at http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/. see tasksel See d-i package 'kickseed', or ask me about <fai> |
| 16:42.34 | valdyn | !kickseed |
| 16:42.34 | jordanm | !preseeding |
| 16:42.39 | jordanm | !preseed |
| 16:42.39 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or <debconf-set-selections> |
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| 16:43.23 | FabParma | im here since 20 mins and w/o 1 single line written in the channel ... |
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| 16:45.36 | rudi_s | FabParma: Which means, nobody knows an answer to your question, or your question wasn't precises enough. Wait a bit longer and reask your question (maybe rephrase so readers get more information). |
| 16:45.36 | jordanm | FabParma: you are not banned |
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| 16:46.20 | FabParma | jordanm: thanks |
| 16:46.58 | giwe | Anyone with experience with platforms without mmu? Suggestions for a better channel to ask? |
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| 16:47.08 | FabParma | I felt strange to see the Debian channel empty |
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| 16:48.07 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:48.59 | jordanm | giwe: what platform doesn't? |
| 16:49.00 | maher | my emacs edit->paste from kill menu item is greyed out - how do i make it work? |
| 16:49.17 | jordanm | maher: well, is your kill ring empty? |
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| 16:49.40 | giwe | jordanm: embedded platform that doesn't have mmu. |
| 16:50.13 | lindi- | giwe: openmoko has an ARM that doesn't have NMU think, it runs the proprietary GPS stuff |
| 16:50.19 | jordanm | giwe: well, my google search showed that MIPS did, which is an embedded platform |
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| 16:50.37 | maher | jordanm: no - i can cycle though it with C-y M-y |
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| 16:50.53 | jordanm | maher: I am thinking you are confused by not having "(setq x-select-enable-clipboard t)" in your ~/.emacs |
| 16:50.56 | jordanm | ah, maybe not then... |
| 16:51.06 | giwe | jordanm: yeah my question is: say that you have a rootfs and kernel for a platform that has an mmu. How hard is it to go to one that doesn't have mmu? |
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| 16:52.26 | giwe | jordanm: I'm trying to see what are the usual troubles that you need to go through in doing such porting. |
| 16:52.26 | maher | jordanm: i added that but it doesn't make any difference... |
| 16:52.31 | lindi- | giwe: i don't think debian supports that |
| 16:53.11 | tony_one | can you copy a folder to dvd with cdrecord ? |
| 16:53.39 | jordanm | maher: well, I was thinking that your kill-ring was "unexpectidly" empty, but that was not the case |
| 16:53.45 | jordanm | maher: what version of emacs and debian? |
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| 16:55.12 | maher | jordanm: emacs23 backport on stable |
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| 16:56.23 | valdyn | giwe: linux was already ported to mmu-less architectures |
| 16:56.58 | alcy | does anyone know how to execute the analog of "safely remove drive" or basically to cut off the power from a usb drive through cli ? |
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| 16:57.09 | jordanm | maher: I can't reproduce. there is however, an emacs-specific debian mailing list you could ask on |
| 16:57.20 | valdyn | alcy: modprobe -r |
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| 16:57.32 | jordanm | alcy: umount /dev/foo |
| 16:57.45 | valdyn | alcy: oops, I misread |
| 16:57.45 | tsccof | alcy: cd /dev && umount /dev/sdXY && eject /dev/sdX |
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| 16:57.59 | jordanm | that won't "cut off the power" but unmounting causes most usb drives to spin-down |
| 16:58.00 | maher | jordanm: ok - if it works for you that's good to know |
| 16:58.01 | tsccof | alcy: basically unmount it and eject it |
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| 16:58.48 | tsccof | alcy: ejecting it will make udev only recognise the usb drive, not its partitions, you will notice in case you 'ls' or 'dir' /dev after ejecting it |
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| 16:59.19 | tsccof | alcy: so if I could see 'sdb' and 'sdb1', after ejecting it will only be 'sdb', the device itself, no more power through it |
| 16:59.49 | tsccof | tsccof: also cfdisk won't work after ejecting the device since it no longer recognises its partitions |
| 16:59.55 | alcy | tsccof: it still has power. see this thread http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=52627 |
| 17:00.01 | tsccof | alcy: also cfdisk won't work after ejecting the device since it no longer recognises its partitions |
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| 17:01.13 | tsccof | alcy: ah I see |
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| 17:01.16 | Buck | hei all |
| 17:01.25 | tsccof | alcy: I have always thought it would cut the power |
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| 17:01.38 | tsccof | alcy: well I have never damaged a flash drive unmount/ejecting it |
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| 17:01.52 | flo` | hi |
| 17:01.56 | tsccof | alcy: then again, that wasn't your question |
| 17:02.12 | Buck | I want to set up a secure proxy on my web server for just one user who has a dynamic IP address. what is the best/a good/secure proxy daemon to use on debian? |
| 17:02.14 | flo` | is there a debian using the minix kernel? when googling it, there are many requests, but i dunno if that really exists... |
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| 17:03.32 | lindi- | flo`: is minix DFSG-free? |
| 17:03.45 | alcy | tsccof: its just surprising to see something available on a gui and not cli ! heh |
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| 17:04.15 | tsccof | alcy: so true! but if you want to safely remove it, I would consider umount + eject a safe option |
| 17:04.16 | flo` | i dunno. but if you ask like that, probably not? |
| 17:04.47 | AimHere | Minix 3 license is just a variant X11 license and is almost certainly dfsg-free |
| 17:05.25 | flo` | okay? |
| 17:05.29 | alcy | tsccof: its not about the literal meaning of safe. I need to cut the power for my cowon iaudio7, which only then strangely starts charging. |
| 17:05.32 | flo` | so, is there a debian/minix now or not? |
| 17:06.22 | tsccof | alcy: got it, so it is a work around |
| 17:06.23 | AimHere | googling "Debian GNU/Minix" gets a lot of results |
| 17:06.28 | jhutchins_lt | eject usually does a umount. |
| 17:06.44 | flo` | AimHere, but almost all are request, not announcements :( |
| 17:07.07 | AimHere | Right. Then you know as much as anyone here, most likely. |
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| 17:07.32 | AimHere | You're #debian's leading GNU/Minix expert. |
| 17:07.41 | alcy | yup eject does that. from the manpage "If the device is currently mounted, it is unmounted before ejecting." |
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| 17:08.04 | flo` | well, as this is the debian channel, i assume that maybe _someone_ in here knows about this. i.e. uses it or has used it or develops it |
| 17:08.26 | lindi- | alcy: that should probably say "If partitions of the device are currently mounted, they will be unmounted before ejecting." |
| 17:08.27 | flo` | or is that actually the debian gnu/linux channel and not a debian channel? |
| 17:09.02 | lindi- | flo`: maybe someone knows but not everyone's reading every line :) |
| 17:09.23 | flo` | i hope that someone who knows is reading that line... |
| 17:09.32 | flo` | everyone hopes that when asking questions |
| 17:09.37 | eli_ | if Im having a debian system with x11 on it and specify in the inittab that runlevel 2 is default(which is multiuser and x11). Then what if something in my x11 config is broken and the system can't go up! how would I be able to boot the system in runlevel 1? |
| 17:09.39 | AimHere | It's most likely because there is no Debian GNU/Minix so nobody in here would know about it |
| 17:10.01 | AimHere | But nobody's bothered looking for it, so nobody can't give a definitive 'it doesn't exist' |
| 17:10.08 | AimHere | *can |
| 17:10.58 | alcy | its not necessary to have partitions for a device. /dev/sd[abc]X. that's how it is with my iaudio |
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| 17:11.18 | flo` | eli_, in grub, select single user or failsafe or how debian calls it |
| 17:11.32 | alcy | I mean...not as in the generic partitioning scheme. |
| 17:11.38 | maher | eli_: how badly is it broken? normally you can do crl-alt-f1 to switch to console |
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| 17:12.32 | pLr | eli_: you can add single as a bootflag in grub |
| 17:13.02 | eli_ | ok so you can alter the boot runlevel in grub |
| 17:13.19 | eli_ | thanks then I just gonna goggle on grub! |
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| 17:18.40 | helo_ | i just booted single-user, remounted / read-only, and did a 'dd' to copy /dev/sda to a larger /dev/sdb... booting from /dev/sdb works, but everything is running really slow |
| 17:18.49 | helo_ | framebuffer screen refreshes, etc |
| 17:19.09 | jimcooncat | trying to get my preseed going again. DHCP & TFTP works, but "preseed/url" doesn't seem to load. http://debian.pastebin.com/vTNbVZfb |
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| 17:20.34 | jhutchins_lt | helo_: Your data format may not be compatible with the architecture of the the new disk. Your partition will be identical to the old one, the same size and structure. |
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| 17:21.00 | Gijs | hey all |
| 17:21.01 | jhutchins_lt | helo_: Probably better to do a file-based copy to new partitions rather than dd the drive. |
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| 17:21.07 | Gijs | how to unblock ports? |
| 17:21.20 | Gijs | i got a vps but the port: 6667 is blockede |
| 17:21.22 | Gijs | blocked* |
| 17:21.27 | Gijs | how to unblock it? |
| 17:21.36 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: Depends on how you blocked it in the first place. |
| 17:21.36 | Buck | depends on where it's blocked Gijs |
| 17:21.41 | Gijs | i didnt |
| 17:21.47 | Buck | are you behind a firewall |
| 17:21.51 | maher | jordanm: ok - it works on one machien but not another - is there an easy way to see what's different about the two emacs? |
| 17:21.57 | Gijs | that might be possible |
| 17:22.03 | Gijs | i really dont know how it is blocked |
| 17:22.06 | Gijs | cant i scan that? |
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| 17:24.04 | jhutchins_lt | Sounds like one of your intarweb tubes is clogged. |
| 17:24.19 | Gijs | so is there any way to find the blocker? |
| 17:24.42 | Buck | Gijs: try disabling your firewall and see if that's the culprit |
| 17:24.44 | petemc | Gijs: its common enough for vps providers to block the irc port, freenode runs on other ports, you could try those |
| 17:24.55 | Gijs | they block the incoming port 6667 |
| 17:25.04 | jordanm | maher: not that I know of, other than a simple configuration file comparison. #emacs might have some ideas |
| 17:25.14 | Gijs | but i want to run a bnc on it ;) |
| 17:25.26 | Buck | Gijs change the port |
| 17:25.40 | petemc | Gijs: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Ways_around_an_IRC_block |
| 17:25.42 | jordanm | Gijs: are the administrator of this network? |
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| 17:25.56 | Gijs | euserv |
| 17:26.43 | Gijs | Buck change wich port? |
| 17:27.08 | jhutchins_lt | BNC is a type of coaxial cable connector. |
| 17:27.27 | Gijs | yes? |
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| 17:28.20 | fxiny | helo_: apt-cache show mirrordir |
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| 17:32.18 | user01 | hey i just installed debian in vmware, aptitude works, firefox doesnt, there is a http_proxy if that helps and i installed the testing daily build |
| 17:32.33 | user01 | and gnome isnt showing eth0 |
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| 17:35.03 | jimcooncat | trying to get my preseed going again. DHCP & TFTP works, but "preseed/url" doesn't seem to load. I believe it must be my "append" line, but I'm not sure what to do. http://debian.pastebin.com/vTNbVZfb |
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| 17:37.26 | mms_ | netbook with debian linux. when I try pxe win xp install the option is grayed out in wizard. On back door way i386\winnt32.exe atleast the install starts but after copying files it returns to command prompt. Guessing next step is reboot on rebooting manually it would not continue with install. any one has solution to this other than having to wipe out debian and try install win xp on... |
| 17:37.27 | mms_ | ...first partition. |
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| 17:38.26 | jimcooncat | possibly it's not using eth0, and switched to one of the other interfaces? |
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| 17:39.51 | mms_ | so any one knows what exe to run so that the install can continue ? |
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| 17:40.18 | Buck | continue_install.exe? |
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| 17:40.25 | anisfarhana | hello :) |
| 17:40.30 | Buck | anisfarhana! |
| 17:40.35 | anisfarhana | Buck! |
| 17:41.50 | mms_ | Buck: how are you sure ? any url ? |
| 17:42.52 | anisfarhana | I'm going to setup proxy server in my office , could somebody advise me on the price ? Usually how much is it ? |
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| 17:43.49 | Buck | anisfarhana: $5321 |
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| 17:44.03 | Buck | excluding VAT |
| 17:44.06 | anisfarhana | Buck: wow that is expensive! |
| 17:44.11 | Buck | yeah =( |
| 17:44.28 | anisfarhana | Including the server ? |
| 17:44.31 | Buck | of course |
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| 17:44.37 | mms_ | Buck: I checked the xp cd I dont see _install....you know path ? |
| 17:44.57 | Buck | I'm sorry mms_, I was only kidding.. I have no ideas about xp installments =( |
| 17:45.11 | Buck | anisfarhana: do you want a windows or a linux proxy server? |
| 17:45.12 | mms_ | :-( |
| 17:45.14 | Mikey^ | mms_: head over to #windows |
| 17:45.27 | jelly-home | that's ##windows |
| 17:45.40 | Mikey^ | it redirects to that anyway |
| 17:45.46 | anisfarhana | Buck: Linux sir |
| 17:45.48 | jelly-home | oh, didn't know that |
| 17:46.07 | Buck | anisfarhana: then it's only the cost of the server, and the server cost is dependant on the number of users and activity |
| 17:46.12 | Buck | the proxy software is free |
| 17:46.27 | anisfarhana | Buck: proxy sofware based on Linux ? |
| 17:46.33 | Buck | yes |
| 17:46.37 | Buck | open source |
| 17:46.41 | Mikey^ | squid is a good one |
| 17:46.53 | jordanm | thought the one # or ## redirect was client-dependant |
| 17:47.02 | Buck | squid is great for transparent proxying with caching |
| 17:47.15 | jelly-home | squid is in fact the canonical answer to "http proxy" on unix |
| 17:47.24 | Buck | or linux |
| 17:47.31 | Mikey^ | jelly-home: canonical answer ? |
| 17:47.47 | Mikey^ | I have used squid on linux before Canonical existed |
| 17:48.03 | Vroomfondle | bad-dum-tish |
| 17:48.06 | jelly-home | Mikey^: heh, I can't tell if that's a pun or not |
| 17:48.24 | Mikey^ | Hmm |
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| 17:48.36 | jelly-home | it wasn't intended in any case |
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| 17:49.09 | jelly-home | (similar to how apache is The web server) |
| 17:49.31 | Mikey^ | yeah |
| 17:49.51 | anisfarhana | Buck / Mikey^ : I have the firewall , and blacklisted some website , and this rule applied to all staff , but today the big boss want to access youtube and facebook :/ |
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| 17:50.20 | jelly-home | anisfarhana: so enable facebook for just the boss ip address ;-) |
| 17:50.32 | Mikey^ | I think you can allow for certain ips |
| 17:50.39 | anisfarhana | jelly-home: unfortunately our firewall can't do that :/ |
| 17:50.44 | Buck | and remove anything from any importance from your bosses comnputer |
| 17:50.52 | Buck | from/of* |
| 17:50.55 | Mikey^ | anisfarhana: what firewall are you using / |
| 17:51.11 | jelly-home | anisfarhana: sounds like a somewhat crippled product |
| 17:51.15 | anisfarhana | Mikey^: very bad firewall , software-based :/ |
| 17:51.19 | Mikey^ | Oh |
| 17:51.30 | anisfarhana | jelly-home: agreed , i even argue with the senior consultant about it :) |
| 17:51.36 | Gijs | my vps host turned on a firewall |
| 17:51.42 | Gijs | is it possible to disable it? |
| 17:51.44 | anisfarhana | throws her laptop to senior consultant |
| 17:52.06 | jelly-home | Gijs: you should ask your provider. |
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| 17:52.40 | Mikey^ | Usually in some companies there are some proxys which dont block some sites |
| 17:52.57 | anisfarhana | Mikey^: Not sure whether proxy-server can bypass it or not. |
| 17:53.00 | jordanm | aka whitelisting |
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| 17:53.17 | jordanm | anisfarhana: if you have access to the proxy, sure |
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| 17:53.22 | Mikey^ | In the company i worked with, there were a couple of proxy servers and one allowed most sites |
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| 18:07.18 | Tonisius | How would I go about testing why snmpd is not allowing udp listening and rejecting localhost on a default install of snmpd with no modifications to the snmpd.conf file. I double checked and it's listening on "default" addresses, which includes the localhost: snmpd[20752]: Connection from UDP: [127.0.0.1]:-8350 REFUSED |
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| 18:19.33 | jordanm | k1ng: that says visual style for windows vista.... |
| 18:19.51 | k1ng | sorry |
| 18:19.53 | HideMe | maybe I shouyld try an aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 18:19.55 | k1ng | i used amsg :p |
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| 18:20.02 | jelly-home | HideMe: can you pastebin the complete output of aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 18:21.17 | HideMe | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/gCEqvHcJ |
| 18:21.42 | krushik | craigevil, http://pastebin.com/ZQTGvNsi |
| 18:21.44 | craigevil | krushik: try commenting everything but the testing repo |
| 18:21.51 | HideMe | Looks like it wants to update those.... shall I proceed? |
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| 18:22.08 | fxiny | jelly-home: i'm chasing an issue with debian-multimedia : it happend two times . a package ( atrope-reader ) not upgraded but held back and two of my packages on hold (swatch and smbc) upgraded . i could not understand why . the second time looking deeper i found a vim ":wq" on the source line , i removed . i can't reproduce it , so i'm waiting for another multimedia fix |
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| 18:22.56 | fxiny | first time it f* me up : swatch and smbc ended up upgraded |
| 18:22.59 | krushik | craigevil, still the same.. |
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| 18:23.14 | jelly-home | HideMe: it all looks rather normal, no packages held back now? |
| 18:23.17 | fxiny | and i had to get the version i wanted back |
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| 18:24.02 | jelly-home | HideMe: safe-upgrade fails to work when dependencies changes. This sometimes happens in debian stable but isn't supposed to happen too often. |
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| 18:25.05 | jelly-home | HideMe: then it says some packages are held back, because their dependencies can't be satisfied without some completely new packages being installed, or some old removed. safe-upgrade won't do those things. |
| 18:26.08 | jelly-home | HideMe: you'll see that more often with packages from volatile like clamav, but you don't even have volatile enabled at present (you should enable it if you use clamav) |
| 18:26.13 | HideMe | jelly-home, It completed with: Current status: 0 updates [-21] |
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| 18:26.32 | HideMe | guess I'll find out if that worked next time there are updates. |
| 18:26.33 | jelly-home | HideMe: that same command? |
| 18:26.48 | jelly-home | HideMe: well, just run it again. |
| 18:26.53 | HideMe | jelly-home, I used aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 18:27.03 | jelly-home | HideMe: right, that's what you pasted last. |
| 18:27.27 | HideMe | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:27.30 | HideMe | yep yep |
| 18:27.34 | HideMe | thanks for the time. |
| 18:27.38 | jelly-home | HideMe: so you upgraded them. cheers |
| 18:28.35 | krushik | craigevil, ah. there was a couple of physical reboots after system failures probably because of overhitting. some files could be corrupted at hdd |
| 18:29.31 | fxiny | ahhh the case of rsync deleting good backup copy |
| 18:30.04 | fxiny | file corruption is very common with old hd and new extra large |
| 18:30.20 | craigevil | krushik: ok then try apt-get clean; apt-get autoclean; apt-get update, if that doesn't work download bzip2 and use dpkg to install it |
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| 18:31.49 | craigevil | might want to run fsck |
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| 18:32.54 | fxiny | the only way i know to get rid of corrupted files |
| 18:33.19 | krushik | craigevil, i'll try. thanks |
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| 18:33.33 | fxiny | last week i fsck 4 times . then i put my old pII to sleep , too hot |
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| 18:34.02 | Buck | I fsck 4 times a week on average too |
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| 18:35.02 | fxiny | Buck: yes ? aer you using rsyncv fo backups ? ever had the pleasure to loose a good backup copy courtesy of rsync --del ? |
| 18:35.41 | Buck | no, I just have a new girlfriend |
| 18:36.34 | fxiny | are you allowing her closer to your box ? wt4x ! |
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| 18:37.18 | jordanm | fxiny: how many times will you have this discussion in #d? |
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| 18:37.44 | fxiny | jordanm: never been in #d |
| 18:38.04 | fxiny | must be a very popular issue |
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| 18:38.34 | fxiny | you mean debian ? |
| 18:38.35 | alexhq | Where are debian testing cd images? |
| 18:38.47 | fxiny | ok |
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| 18:39.59 | jordanm | fxiny: yes, #d is shorthand for #debian. |
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| 18:40.10 | jordanm | fxiny: did you file a wishlist bug? |
| 18:40.37 | fxiny | jordanm: yes |
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| 18:41.21 | fxiny | jordanm: i think you are right |
| 18:41.30 | fxiny | i got the point |
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| 18:47.11 | jordanm | I see, #588503 |
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| 18:50.35 | fxiny | seen the mighty Linux 2.6.26-mmx-plus-7 ? ;) |
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| 18:57.19 | neeraj | !tell neeraj sudousers |
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| 18:57.58 | jordanm | !tell neeraj about selftell |
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| 19:04.36 | magicCarpet | Anyone try to use a custom splash.png image when building a custom CD using debian-cd? |
| 19:05.07 | magicCarpet | Does the image have to be some special size, colors etc? |
| 19:05.12 | anisfarhana | jordanm: thank you for the knowledge. |
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| 19:07.51 | magicCarpet | bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537368 |
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| 19:12.27 | rkhshm | I have a bunch of some 50 new pkgs that i want to build with a my own modifications...i want to automate this process as individually building them will be a pain |
| 19:12.27 | rkhshm | if i put the logic into a script "dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc' .. if any of the debhelper scripts cause erros also.. it will the entire buildpkg cmd will give me $? == 0 .. is there anyway i can check if anyof the dh_* scripts fail during the buildpkg and exit that pkg build completely>? I plan on writing this automation script in bash |
| 19:14.18 | maher | rkhshm: have you looked at debian-builder or pbuilder |
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| 19:15.30 | rkhshm | no |
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| 19:15.52 | rkhshm | maher: but i want it to be a very simple wrapper thats all.. |
| 19:16.07 | rkhshm | in that view is there anything that can be done |
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| 19:20.10 | mo_o | jordanm: still there? |
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| 19:24.23 | maplebed | Hi all. When building debian packages that will run a deamon as a new user, what's the "right" way to set up that user on the destination system? adduser from the preinst script? something in the rules file? |
| 19:25.06 | maplebed | I've been reading through http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html and I've failed to find the relevant section. :( |
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| 19:26.59 | shey | Just installed Debian, after much fais at Ubuntu... Any easy reading on how to install flash? |
| 19:27.08 | shey | fails* |
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| 19:27.48 | jhutchins_lt | !tell maplebed about mentors |
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| 19:28.21 | maplebed | thanks, jhutchins_lt. will do. |
| 19:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | !tell shey about flash |
| 19:28.32 | shey | ty |
| 19:28.36 | maplebed | <3 bots |
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| 19:29.39 | jhutchins_lt | They really help give consistent answers. |
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| 19:32.45 | lxsameer | is there any apt bindings for python ? |
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| 19:40.24 | joker_89 | what is better for desktop system, debian or ubuntu? |
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| 19:42.08 | jordanm | joker_89: this is not an appropriate place to ask, our answers will natually be biased and those sorts of question often incite flamewars |
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| 19:42.15 | jordanm | !tell joker_89 about why debian |
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| 19:43.11 | joker_89 | ok |
| 19:43.13 | mo_o | jordanm: i restarted completely and just used the Installer guide but i still have the same problem |
| 19:43.40 | mo_o | i'm in a initramfs console now |
| 19:43.47 | mo_o | can i get any helpful information? |
| 19:44.30 | webizzo | joker_89: i like debian over ubuntu |
| 19:44.44 | djveer | hey guys, i'm creating a bash script to change a password for a user on a system ... and in the example I see "read" which I understand is for taking input from the user.. but what does the -p and -s options that are added to that command? There is no manpage for read |
| 19:44.49 | webizzo | couse is faster, more stable |
| 19:45.36 | karme | djveer: man bash explains read |
| 19:46.03 | karlpinc | djveer: Read is part of bash (or sh). Read the bash manpage. |
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| 19:46.49 | djveer | karme, karlpinc: ah okay.. gotcha thanks guys |
| 19:47.25 | karme | djveer: to see wether a command is builtin type: "type cmd" - in this case "type read" |
| 19:47.33 | jordanm | djveer: why not the use the existing "passwd" command from base-passwd? |
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| 19:48.21 | djveer | jordanm: Well i'm using passwd to actually change the password, but I wanted to present it in a nicer format for the user i'm creating this for... but it may not be worth my time |
| 19:48.38 | djveer | So it actually looked like "Change password for what user?: " |
| 19:48.40 | djveer | etc |
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| 19:54.04 | joker_89 | wow |
| 19:54.08 | joker_89 | debian have 8 dvd??? |
| 19:54.16 | joker_89 | i want to download the testing |
| 19:54.22 | joker_89 | for desktop |
| 19:54.42 | [miK] | download only the first, and then, install all the rest from Internet |
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| 19:55.44 | [miK] | you also have one little iso image to do this |
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| 19:55.53 | joker_89 | in this? |
| 19:55.54 | joker_89 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ |
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| 19:56.02 | jordanm | djveer: yes, but you can just put a wrapper around passwd(1), instead of writting something new to modify /etc/passwd and /etc/shaddow |
| 19:56.09 | joker_89 | "netinst" images? [miK] |
| 19:56.12 | craigevil | !tell joker_89 about netinstall |
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| 19:56.18 | jimcooncat | preseed now stops at partman. Maybe because there are two hard disks installed? http://debian.pastebin.com/0sJKS26n |
| 19:56.21 | joker_89 | ok |
| 19:56.52 | [miK] | yes |
| 19:57.45 | joker_89 | but i dont see the testing |
| 19:57.46 | joker_89 | only stable |
| 19:58.01 | djveer | jordanm: yeah, that's the plan |
| 19:58.16 | joker_89 | is this? |
| 19:58.17 | joker_89 | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 19:59.18 | moldovean | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:59.52 | moldovean | use netinst brunch |
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| 20:01.46 | joker_89 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:02.02 | joker_89 | debian testing i38six netinst.iso? |
| 20:02.07 | OpenTokix | holy crap... - I have been troubleshooting my stuff all day.... and still I enjoy playing with my debian boxes at home. - boya! |
| 20:02.37 | OpenTokix | work is debian to, ofc. |
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| 20:04.12 | joker_89 | sorry is this for testing? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:04.47 | moldovean | joker_89, y |
| 20:05.47 | joker_89 | which is the difference betwwen? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:06.40 | moldovean | and there is only one testing netinst there .. |
| 20:06.46 | [miK] | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:06.52 | [miK] | i like that |
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| 20:07.27 | jimcooncat | never mind, I got through it by specifying the disk. |
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| 20:15.49 | paxcoder | is there a way to look up what packages depend on a certain other package, given the latter's name? (web fine also) |
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| 20:17.43 | karme | !rdepends |
| 20:17.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 20:18.06 | paxcoder | thx |
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| 20:26.33 | sigmonsays | Man; #ubuntu is a carnival |
| 20:27.17 | Bushmills | OT: remarkable development: for the first time since two years has public opinion on windows elevated it above one (non-debian) linux distribution. but debian still remains unchallenged: http://stats.bean-fw.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/rulesuckratio-month.png |
| 20:27.39 | Bushmills | also interesting to see: ubuntu on the decline |
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| 20:30.04 | OpenTokix | interesting that slackware is huge |
| 20:30.59 | Bushmills | corresponds with my observations |
| 20:32.07 | jordanm | I don't think that is a chart of the popularity of the OS, but how devoted its users are |
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| 20:32.41 | helo_ | Bushmills: maybe ubuntu is on the decline because they just released a LTS, and the transition process is slowing down? |
| 20:32.47 | Bushmills | this graph doesn't represent user base or number of installations. it maps comments of the form "<distribution> rocks/rox/rules/sucks/sux/stinks" against each other |
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| 20:34.01 | Bushmills | small but enthusiast user base is of advantage |
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| 20:35.01 | OpenTokix | I wanna do OS ratio on my weblogs |
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| 20:35.56 | Bushmills | isn't that difficult - except the bit that many browser ids are spoofed, for compatibility reasons |
| 20:36.10 | OpenTokix | Bushmills: it is kinda hard when it is alot of logs =) |
| 20:36.28 | Bushmills | why? those are processed automatically anyway |
| 20:36.37 | OpenTokix | About 100G/day |
| 20:36.38 | jhutchins_lt | What's the command to reload inittab? |
| 20:36.41 | Bushmills | at least, that's the idea |
| 20:36.52 | Bushmills | logtail every 5 minutes or so |
| 20:37.46 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: `reboot`? |
| 20:37.51 | Bushmills | init -q |
| 20:37.57 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Thanks. |
| 20:38.17 | jordanm | my init manpage doesn't have a -q... |
| 20:38.22 | peterS | 'telinit q' is I believe the usual formulation |
| 20:38.28 | jhutchins_lt | it's just q, not -q |
| 20:38.37 | Bushmills | oh, sorry |
| 20:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | No prob, that much I can figure out. |
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| 20:55.47 | ricardovalentin | hi |
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| 20:59.11 | _2 | howto determine what hardware this "telephone" connector on the back of this laptop is? i would like to get it to connect to dialup network? anyone |
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| 21:00.01 | Bushmills | reminds me of Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged without the insults |
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| 21:01.58 | jhutchins_lt | _2: It's probably a modem, but maybe a winmodem. |
| 21:02.08 | jhutchins_lt | _2: lspci, lshw might be useful. |
| 21:02.20 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Also look up your laptop's specs, see what they say about it. |
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| 21:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | _2: That is, assuming it's an RJ6 or RJ12, not an RJ45. |
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| 21:03.32 | _2 | looks like an rj6 only two connectors in the center |
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| 21:05.13 | _2 | lspci doesn't show anything that "might" be it |
| 21:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Yeah, lshw doesn't pick mine up either. |
| 21:06.08 | jhutchins_lt | _2: We might try setserial... |
| 21:07.12 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Don't have any physical serial ports, so if setserial finds a UART, that's it. |
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| 21:08.07 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Nope, mine shows 0-3 with unknown uart so it's probably a winmodem. Mine's a toshiba. |
| 21:09.12 | _2 | mine too |
| 21:09.21 | _2 | :( |
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| 21:13.11 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Go ye forth and google then, some work. |
| 21:13.19 | jhutchins_lt | A15-S129 here. |
| 21:13.43 | jhutchins_lt | Not worth the effort, I don't know of a remote number that'll answer these days. |
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| 21:23.56 | sylar | anyone from india? |
| 21:24.13 | Hobart | I'm trying to do a network install of Debian off the latest USB media from the website, I've configured my network, but can't figure out how to continue the installation (it was trying to scan the media for a local .iso ??) |
| 21:25.07 | Hobart | I've got Configure the network, change debconf priority, save debug logs, execute a shell, and abort the installation. |
| 21:25.29 | Hobart | Tried to follow the installation guide (chapter 5 section 3) and find no mention of this |
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| 21:26.13 | moldovean | Hobart, /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 21:36.20 | Hobart | ah. so the hd-media image is missing an .iso that needs to be grafted in by hand. thanks. |
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| 21:41.31 | Hobart | does the .iso have the nic card .ko modules? |
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| 21:47.46 | josephseraos | Hi everybody. Do you know how can I to get turn off the display (monitor) by terminal? |
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| 21:49.27 | _2 | peta using it's /proc/#/ maybe.... or if it has a device node /dev/blah |
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| 21:50.14 | magicCarpet | peta: you still here? |
| 21:50.36 | peta | magicCarpet: yes. but i think i solved it by mself :) |
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| 21:50.50 | magicCarpet | to write to a process's stdin when only the pid is known ... you can echo "data": to /proc/pid/fd/0 |
| 21:51.02 | magicCarpet | if you solved it, great :) |
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| 21:51.24 | peta | nono ... i will try your solution immediately .. seems more elegant |
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| 21:52.25 | peta | i'm using python and there one can create a named pipe an arbitrary file (more or less) so i can just append something to this file and it will be available inside on stdin f.e. |
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| 21:53.23 | magicCarpet | sure, but, make sure your permissions allow creating the named file |
| 21:53.35 | magicCarpet | that is the fd of another process |
| 21:53.43 | magicCarpet | good luck |
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| 21:54.28 | magicCarpet | throw in a try: ... except IOError: .... |
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| 21:58.17 | peta | hmm ... seems as mac os doesn't have a /proc folder |
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| 21:59.27 | peta | but i saved your snippet and will try it on my linux machine. thanks |
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| 22:33.09 | webPragmatist | how can i make a init.d script start at boot |
| 22:34.07 | aleray | webPragmatist, update-rc.d i believe but I'm just a newbie |
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| 22:44.58 | Benkinooby | hi there. i want to install debian on my laptop. i have no experience with debian, so i dont know if i should use stable or testing release. i want to use the laptop for my personal use. |
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| 22:46.52 | sweetpi | Benkinooby: if you have no experience with debian, i would suggest stable. things can occasionally get hairy with testing |
| 22:47.44 | wumba | Hi! I am using Debian Lenny and would like to format a couple backup drives using NTFS when I go to use mkfs -ntfs or mkntfs I get no dice, looked for missing packages to no avail... Suggestions? |
| 22:48.08 | Benkinooby | sweetpi: ok, thank you. is there a big difference in hardware support between stable and testing? |
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| 22:48.53 | sweetpi | wumba: have you installed ntfsprogs? |
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| 22:49.41 | sweetpi | Benkinooby: I'm actually not sure, I always run testing |
| 22:49.53 | wumba | sweetpi: let me check, thx! |
| 22:50.18 | craigevil | Benkinooby: hardware support is in the kernel, if the kernel in lenny doesnt work you can install 2.6.32 from backports |
| 22:50.31 | wumba | Sweetpi: Worked thx!! |
| 22:50.46 | craigevil | Benkinooby: or you may want to just use the kmuto installer, it has the newer kernel and firmware that you might need |
| 22:52.41 | acu_ | so I have to install the 1386 flashplayer in an AMD64 - Squeeze - what do I need to do ? |
| 22:52.45 | sweetpi | wumba: np |
| 22:53.09 | Benkinooby | craigevil: i use a lenovo ideapad s12. i'll give the stable version a shot and hope every thing works (agains murphys law) |
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| 22:53.33 | craigevil | acu_: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53036 |
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| 22:56.17 | Bop | can anyone with xchat client pmap xchat_pid ? its giving me the value of "total 137096K" , i think its too much :s |
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| 23:02.17 | Hobart | anyone got an opinion on whether testing a freshly installed lenny system with compiling should be done with make-kpkg versus debuild [something] ? |
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| 23:03.07 | rookie2010 | hi im new on linux anyone can helps |
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| 23:03.24 | hideo | !ask |
| 23:03.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:03.25 | joker_89 | how i can stop a service (apache) for 5 minuts |
| 23:03.29 | rookie2010 | when it boots the machine how i can include some comands |
| 23:03.36 | joker_89 | because its started autmatically (respawn i think) |
| 23:03.47 | rookie2010 | for example when turn on the computer configure the interface eth0 with static ip |
| 23:04.51 | zebradog | joker_89, stop with the jokes |
| 23:05.05 | zebradog | joker[avd], just be a man and manually restart it |
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| 23:05.29 | zebradog | joker_89, ^! |
| 23:05.30 | Bop | zebradog, some rc/httpd stop |
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| 23:05.47 | joker_89 | i want to stop 5 minuts |
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| 23:06.18 | joker[avd] | . |
| 23:06.34 | rookie2010 | how i put the interface eth0 static |
| 23:06.40 | rookie2010 | not dynamic |
| 23:07.30 | Bop | rookie2010, ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 23:07.34 | icebrain | rookie2010: you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:07.53 | icebrain | Bop: that won't be permanent across reboots |
| 23:07.58 | Bop | ok ok |
| 23:08.12 | icebrain | !tell rookie2010 about interfaces |
| 23:08.38 | rookie2010 | i dont have interfaces in network |
| 23:09.23 | sweetpi | joker_89: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop && sleep 300 && /etc/init.d/apache2 start && echo lame |
| 23:09.25 | icebrain | rookie2010: create a new file using any text editor |
| 23:09.40 | icebrain | rookie2010: you need to be root, by the way. just do someht |
| 23:09.52 | icebrain | *something like "nano /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 23:09.53 | rookie2010 | yes i am root i just resetting the account |
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| 23:13.17 | joker_89 | [sweetpi] thnks |
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| 23:14.16 | zebradog | how do i search the irc log? <search string> site:<url> < use just google? |
| 23:15.26 | rookie2010 | in windows is autorun but in linux what is the autorun |
| 23:15.29 | rookie2010 | init.d |
| 23:16.41 | moldovean | rookie2010, you'r running debian ? < "i dont have interfaces in network" ? |
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| 23:22.35 | rookie20101 | i use ifconfig but when i restart appears doesnt have ip add |
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| 23:23.24 | iceroot | moldovean: /etc/network/interfaces on lenny |
| 23:25.11 | acu_ | craigevil: it works ! Very Nice HOW TO - first time when a step by step worked without neuronal input :) |
| 23:25.54 | craigevil | acu_: :) |
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| 23:26.10 | rookie20101 | ready thanks everyone |
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| 23:28.07 | acu_ | thanks craigevil - yesterday I learned something from moldovean too :) |
| 23:28.10 | acu_ | !sex |
| 23:28.10 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
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| 23:30.33 | acu_ | I tried chrome google browser and IS BLAZING - I wonder whether it is a sin to use it - but Firefox is so bloatted and slow |
| 23:31.24 | acu_ | Chrome is proprietary - therefore evil - though it seem a benedictal type of evil -Google ? |
| 23:32.49 | acu_ | Thanks a bunch - Good Bye |
| 23:33.42 | dondelelcaro | uh... that's why we distribute chromium-browser, but whatever works, I guess |
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| 23:42.14 | moldovean | instant access make happy final users .. |
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| 23:45.47 | dcbevins | there is always chormium |
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| 23:45.59 | dcbevins | ah u said that |
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| 23:51.27 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: yes, but I imagine it is not an easy backport into stable |
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| 23:54.47 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: doesn't look to bad, actually |
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| 23:56.02 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: I might give it a try later then. IIRC there was some libs that needed to be backported as well |
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| 23:59.25 | moldovean | jordanm, yes , few .. http://paste.debian.net/80571/ |
| 23:59.37 | crypted | anyone know in an apache directive, what would be necessary for increasing php max exc. time/ |
| 23:59.52 | crypted | i tried php_admin_valus max_execution_time 300 |
| 23:59.53 | crypted | didnt wokr |
