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| 00:06.12 | FireSlash | Any way to prevent syslog from being spammed with messages like Jul 16 20:01:46 debian kernel: [2238015.618779] ''IN-internet':'IN=eth0 OUT= MAC...? |
| 00:07.57 | craigevil | FireSlash: in /etc/sysctl.conf uncomment the line that has kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
| 00:08.21 | FireSlash | cheers |
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| 00:08.26 | dvs | but he said syslog, not console |
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| 00:26.04 | acrocycle | Man, Squeeze rocks for bluetooth devices! |
| 00:26.31 | acrocycle | Does anyone know how to change the login screen on Squeeze? |
| 00:27.59 | macrobat | acrocycle: i guess you mean gdm? |
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| 00:28.57 | acrocycle | Yeah. |
| 00:29.08 | acrocycle | I should have specified. |
| 00:29.32 | acrocycle | In lenny it was easy... just a preference option |
| 00:29.36 | acrocycle | Now I don't see anything. |
| 00:29.41 | acrocycle | .. in squeeze |
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| 00:32.48 | acrocycle | Anyone now how to change the login screen in Squeeze for gdm? |
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| 00:35.44 | gizeh | acrocycle: have you tried this: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/36128-changing-login-screen-gui.html |
| 00:36.49 | acrocycle | gizeh: Let me check it out. |
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| 00:41.19 | acrocycle | gizeh: That's not what I am asking about... I just want to choose a different theme for my login screen. That app, mentioned in the post isn't in the listof apps... |
| 00:41.26 | acrocycle | will try to type it into terminal though. |
| 00:42.14 | acrocycle | .... nope, just the app login |
| 00:42.43 | acrocycle | THanks for the link though gizeh |
| 00:43.02 | Tramp | acrocycle: gdmsetup, /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
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| 00:46.20 | acrocycle | Tramp: this is what gdmsetup looks like in Squeeze: http://i26.tinypic.com/112ad8i.jpg |
| 00:46.26 | acrocycle | Much different then lenny. |
| 00:47.34 | acrocycle | And Squeeze technically runs gdm3 |
| 00:47.39 | Tramp | acrocycle: mine (on squeeze) works fine. Haven't updated in a while though. - did you run it as root? |
| 00:47.42 | acrocycle | ...there is no gdm.conf |
| 00:48.30 | acrocycle | Huh, there is a simple text file for just the config of the welcome screen though. |
| 00:48.47 | sweetpi | maybe your looking for gnome-splashscreen-manager |
| 00:48.50 | acrocycle | I'll try logging in as root... pretty sure I already have... I usually do `sudo bash` then run my aps. |
| 00:49.01 | Tramp | mine is 2.20.10-1, and I have one - but anyways, I'm not in this GUI-stuff anyways, so probably my advice is bogus |
| 00:49.02 | acrocycle | sweetpi: will try that...sounds right |
| 00:50.13 | acrocycle | sweetpi: Odd. I though that would be it. |
| 00:50.25 | acrocycle | It isn't even an app. |
| 00:50.28 | sweetpi | acrocycle: its not installed by default |
| 00:50.33 | acrocycle | Ah |
| 00:50.40 | acrocycle | Will apt-get it |
| 00:50.52 | dvs | no aptitude |
| 00:50.52 | acrocycle | You'd think squeeze would just come with it. |
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| 00:51.23 | acrocycle | Why aptitude? I never knew the diff between them well. |
| 00:51.27 | acrocycle | Something about deps? |
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| 00:53.02 | Tramp | !tell acrocycle -about why aptitude |
| 00:53.11 | acrocycle | Gracias |
| 00:53.17 | Tramp | yw |
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| 00:53.58 | acrocycle | Nice, that makes sense.. I'll start using aptitude from now on. |
| 00:54.28 | acrocycle | I wonder how long aptitude has been around. I just have apt-get engraned in me from when I started using Deb. |
| 00:54.57 | zebradog | acrocycle, i find apt-cache search still works better however.. i hang on to apt-cache search just for that purpose.. |
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| 00:55.32 | zebradog | wonders when aptitude search will catch up to apt-cache search |
| 00:55.42 | acrocycle | I've never used aptitude search but have found apt-cache search to be very nice. |
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| 00:56.07 | zebradog | i get more results with apt-cache search so it's still in my army knife of gadgets |
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| 00:57.14 | acrocycle | Nice. I like it, so I'll stick with it. |
| 00:57.56 | acrocycle | !aptitude |
| 00:57.57 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 01:01.00 | hardbop200 | hi - I'm trying to determine what the default console font is in squeeze...can someone give me a hint as to where to look? |
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| 01:01.53 | acrocycle | hardbop200: System > Preferences > Preferred applications |
| 01:02.11 | acrocycle | oh console font... |
| 01:02.17 | acrocycle | thats wrong what I told you then. |
| 01:03.00 | acrocycle | Just open gnome-terminal and select Edit > Profile Preferences |
| 01:03.17 | acrocycle | That should do show you where to select the options, hardbop200 |
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| 01:03.32 | hardbop200 | acrocycle: sorry, I'm using evilwm as my window manager, but I'm actually want to know what the framebuffer(?) font is |
| 01:03.42 | acrocycle | Ah |
| 01:03.59 | hardbop200 | sorry for not being clear :) |
| 01:04.11 | acrocycle | No prob... I should have asked. |
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| 01:04.43 | Buntfu | hi everyone |
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| 01:05.10 | acrocycle | sweetpi: Isn't that splash app you referred me to for when your are booting? Instead of text it shows graphics? |
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| 01:07.54 | acrocycle | Dang, it is... |
| 01:07.58 | zebradog | hi fubunt |
| 01:08.13 | acrocycle | Anyone know how I can change the login screen for Squeeze? |
| 01:08.27 | zebradog | acrocycle, something with gdmsetup ? |
| 01:09.16 | acrocycle | You can do it in Lenny but not in Squeeze for some reason. |
| 01:09.37 | e-future | hardbop200: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 01:09.56 | acrocycle | zebradog: This is what gdmsetup looks like in squeeze: http://i26.tinypic.com/112ad8i.jpg |
| 01:10.48 | int80_h | how can I examine my kernel's configuration? in netbsd we have a command "config -x kernelname" that will give use a list of configuration options activated. What is the debian equivilant? |
| 01:11.05 | acrocycle | ...and I don't want to show the users who can login or automatically login. |
| 01:11.24 | Misterangry | is there support for the modem in the iBook G4 under lenny? |
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| 01:12.54 | zebradog | acrocycle, i'm not sure what else to look into for squeeze, am not using it here.. strange |
| 01:13.46 | acrocycle | zebradog: That's find... I did find a config file, just for the welcome/login screen that shows a theme being used... I just don't know the nameso theones I can use... or how to change the login type yet. Thanks for you info though. |
| 01:14.12 | zebradog | Misterangry, likely, check anything powerpc related..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibook (<< processor is powerpc therefore you need a "powerpc" port of linux) |
| 01:14.18 | int80_h | is iptables support on by default in the lenny kernel? |
| 01:14.18 | acrocycle | Ill give it a shot in some forums... maybe someone else will be able to point it out. |
| 01:14.24 | int80_h | that's all I really need to know |
| 01:14.25 | acrocycle | tahnks |
| 01:14.32 | craigevil | acrocycle: edit /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults |
| 01:14.32 | zebradog | int80_h, any decent distro does |
| 01:14.37 | hardbop200 | e-future: thank you |
| 01:14.55 | Misterangry | zebradog: yes, I'm running the PowerPC port of Lenny |
| 01:14.56 | sweetpi | acrocycle: sorry, didnt realize thats what it was |
| 01:15.10 | int80_h | cool, wanted to confirm that before going on. But is there a way for me to examine what options the kernel has compiled in? |
| 01:15.20 | zebradog | acrocycle, look at your gnome/gdmsetup version and check gnome.org docs.. maybe it's elsewhere |
| 01:15.23 | acrocycle | sweetpi: no prob... I think i might use it anyway for my boot screen. |
| 01:15.28 | int80_h | so I can find things out for myself in the future. |
| 01:15.30 | sweetpi | acrocycle: what version of gdmsetup do you have? im running squeeze and mine looks normal with themes |
| 01:15.37 | Misterangry | zebradog: I'm not sure where to look for a PPC modem driver, though |
| 01:15.47 | acrocycle | Of course, its just me. |
| 01:15.51 | acrocycle | Let me check sweetpi |
| 01:16.29 | zebradog | Misterangry, http://home.x-pec.com/~ivc/sites/ivc/ibook/linux/ |
| 01:16.40 | acrocycle | Hmmm... not sure how to check... this is my kernel, sweetpi: 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 01:16.55 | acrocycle | And i am running contrib and non-free repos. |
| 01:16.58 | acrocycle | Fully updated |
| 01:17.10 | sweetpi | acrocycle: gdm version |
| 01:17.25 | acrocycle | k |
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| 01:17.58 | sweetpi | acrocycle: * gdm --version |
| 01:18.04 | Misterangry | zebradog: awesome, it also covers getting Bluetooth working. Thanks! |
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| 01:18.37 | prince_jammys | M X/q[M#X/ |
| 01:18.41 | prince_jammys | oops. |
| 01:18.59 | acrocycle | sweetpi: Thats what I figured ;-) But It is gdm3, I just remembered and I get this when I type `gdm --version`: |
| 01:19.14 | acrocycle | * (gdm3:3468): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager |
| 01:19.14 | acrocycle | ** (gdm3:3468): WARNING **: Could not acquire name; bailing out |
| 01:19.28 | sweetpi | acrocycle: i might be a little outdated on this box. last update was going to break a few things, so i figured i would update later |
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| 01:20.11 | sweetpi | acrocycle: ah, im still running gdm 2.x |
| 01:20.16 | acrocycle | sweetpi: ah... probably for the best ;-) |
| 01:21.27 | prince_jammys | int80_h: maybe /boot/config-$(uname -r) is of interest |
| 01:21.37 | acrocycle | I guess I'll just look around some more... maybe post on some forums... see if anyone replies. |
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| 01:23.13 | acrocycle | Thanks for the help all... maybe I'll just try to edit the config file first...hope it works. |
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| 01:24.09 | Misterangry | zebradog: any idea on how to enable the Zilog driver? |
| 01:24.16 | sweetpi | acrocycle: maybe try #gnome :) |
| 01:24.45 | int80_h | cd /boot |
| 01:24.46 | int80_h | ls |
| 01:24.53 | int80_h | doh! |
| 01:24.57 | sweetpi | echo "fail" |
| 01:25.28 | acrocycle | ah good idea.. thansk sweetpi have a good night/day, wherever youa re. |
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| 01:25.49 | zebradog | Misterangry, see if the mod is loaded-> lsmod |grep -i hcf |
| 01:25.51 | int80_h | thanks for the help :) |
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| 01:26.08 | prince_jammys | int80_h: that might be what you were after. |
| 01:26.28 | Misterangry | it's not |
| 01:26.43 | Misterangry | what's the full module name? |
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| 01:30.55 | Misterangry | er |
| 01:31.03 | Misterangry | I guess I have a software modem |
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| 01:32.15 | zebradog | Misterangry, find /lib/modules|grep -i hcf |
| 01:32.20 | zebradog | Misterangry, find /lib/modules|grep -i modem |
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| 01:32.46 | zebradog | Misterangry, if not sure try lspci to find anything with the string 'modem' |
| 01:33.35 | ZitZ | does anyone know how to get ekiga to work? I mean seriously, there is no way to cam in linux, especially on 64 bit |
| 01:34.56 | Misterangry | I think I might have it |
| 01:35.40 | craigevil | ZitZ: empathy and pidgin both support google talk with video/voice, skype works as well, never tried ekiga |
| 01:36.28 | zebradog | ZitZ, i'm sure there is.. |
| 01:36.44 | ZitZ | oh, i have google talk, never thought of that, i just figured since Pidgin didn't support MSN cam or Yahoo that it didn't support it at all |
| 01:37.42 | zebradog | ZitZ, youre full of the googles.. pidginnicles and yahoosniffin.. you crazy pup |
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| 01:39.00 | ZitZ | what?, lol, it's just everyone uses different chat servers, i have msn friends, yahoo friends, aim friends, gtalk friends |
| 01:39.05 | ZitZ | that's why pidgin is awesome |
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| 01:39.41 | Misterangry | I believe I found the module |
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| 01:40.53 | Beyecixramd | hey there, i'm trying to install a SSL cert, from CACert.org |
| 01:41.03 | Beyecixramd | what's "Organizational Unit Name"? |
| 01:42.13 | zebradog | Misterangry, try modprobe <modulename>, then lsmod to see if it loaded |
| 01:42.25 | craigevil | Beyecixramd: the cert you need isn't in ca-certificates? |
| 01:42.34 | Beyecixramd | craigevil: why not? |
| 01:42.45 | Misterangry | yeah, it did |
| 01:43.16 | Beyecixramd | craigevil: i'm just running the openssl stuff it tells me to http://www.collicott.net/jess/2005/06/03/how-to-create-a-free-ssl-certificate-from-cacertorg/ |
| 01:43.35 | Beyecixramd | I'm in the second step, it's asking me personal info |
| 01:43.36 | zebradog | Misterangry, try one of 'em ppp apps or fax apps.. or softphones etc.. |
| 01:43.56 | zebradog | dialer connector of course.. is what i mean |
| 01:44.37 | Misterangry | hmmh |
| 01:45.08 | zebradog | Misterangry, i'm guessing there's kpppd |
| 01:45.10 | Arrowmaster | Beyecixramd: does this help? http://www.cacert.org/help.php?id=4 |
| 01:45.19 | Misterangry | something for Gnome? |
| 01:45.39 | Beyecixramd | Arrowmaster: no, but i figured it myself, thanks Arrowmaster and craigevil for trying to help me :) |
| 01:45.45 | zebradog | Misterangry, try apt-cache search ppp |grep -i gnome |
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| 01:46.46 | zebradog | Misterangry, i get lots of results->'apt-cache search dial|less' (/dial <enter> , 'n' jumps to next match) |
| 01:47.51 | Misterangry | I found gnome-ppp |
| 01:50.17 | ZitZ | pidgin has all the webcam stuff greyed out for me, why? |
| 01:51.12 | Misterangry | right, I guess it didn't work |
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| 01:53.04 | Misterangry | right, it isn't detecting the modem on either driver |
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| 01:54.19 | Misterangry | beh |
| 01:54.41 | Misterangry | I give up. |
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| 01:55.39 | Misterangry | I'll try to get Bluetooth working instead |
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| 01:58.31 | Zatcharius | How long should a normal kernel compile take on a decent P4? |
| 01:58.45 | Zatcharius | Mine too almost 2 hours and I'm thinking that's not typical... |
| 01:59.28 | tapper | doing make and make install on VLC took about 20 mins on my P4 this morning |
| 01:59.53 | cthuluh | I would be happy if only one of my computers allowed me to compile a kernel in 2 hours |
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| 02:00.08 | Zatcharius | cthuluh: So it's not abnormal then? |
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| 02:00.47 | cthuluh | Zatcharius: well, dunno. maybe my computers are just too slow :) |
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| 02:01.42 | cthuluh | Zatcharius: if there had an error in your kernel compile, I think that you'd have noticed it |
| 02:03.46 | tapper | is it true you can get a faster boot time by compiling your own kernel? |
| 02:04.36 | zebradog | Misterangry, ? |
| 02:04.47 | zebradog | Misterangry, there shuold be a guide for it.. |
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| 02:05.16 | Zatcharius | cthuluh: Yeah, I doubt it had an error as I'm now running it. I think I just basically enabled every module haha. |
| 02:05.21 | cthuluh | tapper: if you compile as builtins the modules you use, yes |
| 02:05.40 | cthuluh | every module??? 8) |
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| 02:05.52 | Zatcharius | cthuluh: That shouldn't effect performance should it? As modules are load on demand... right? |
| 02:06.04 | tapper | hmm I found an article that says recompiling the kernel with ubuntu gives you a performance gain of 8s on booting |
| 02:06.16 | cthuluh | it does, kernel module loading is not cheap |
| 02:06.29 | cthuluh | (udeb takes a lot of time on system startup |
| 02:06.32 | cthuluh | udev* |
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| 02:07.07 | Zatcharius | cthuluh: But it's just startup. It loads the modules that are necessary and ignores the rest |
| 02:07.36 | cthuluh | well, yes, but this autodetection is _not_ cheap :) |
| 02:08.27 | Zatcharius | cthuluh: For bootup yeah, I agree. Once it's booted idk if you'd notice any performance degredation from unused modules |
| 02:08.28 | cthuluh | if you compile all you need to access the root filesystem, you can get rid of your (generally huge) initramfs, which saves time too |
| 02:08.37 | cthuluh | Zatcharius: of course not |
| 02:08.59 | cthuluh | well, I don't think so... :) |
| 02:09.07 | zebradog | Misterangry, it didn't work? |
| 02:09.14 | Zatcharius | Hmmm rc5 kernel finished in like 20 minutes |
| 02:09.26 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys familiar with apt-mirror tool? I'm having issues with the perl script, its chucking me errors whilst trying to parse a large list to download |
| 02:09.42 | Misterangry | zebradog: nope |
| 02:09.55 | zebradog | Misterangry, what guide are you trying? |
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| 02:10.26 | Misterangry | zebradog: the link you sent me, http://home.x-pec.com/~ivc/sites/ivc/ibook/linux/ |
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| 02:13.04 | zebradog | Misterangry, are you using lenny 5,? if a guide is old of course the procedure would be different after 2 years.. |
| 02:13.30 | zebradog | but i cherry pick hints here and there (well i can also blame my experience :) |
| 02:14.01 | zebradog | Misterangry, http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install |
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| 02:15.44 | treitter | I just did a net install of squeeze. On the first log in to Gnome, the theme was fine. But after logging out and logging back in, I get the default Gnome theme for some reason (even though I didn't change the theme). Any idea why this might happen? (and how to fix it?) |
| 02:15.50 | zebradog | Misterangry, from that link eventually with the search box, i found -> http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/defaults.php (mentions ttya) |
| 02:16.03 | treitter | changing the theme doesn't seem to affect this (the GTK theme, not the window-manager theme) |
| 02:16.38 | Misterangry | beh |
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| 02:18.02 | Misterangry | zebradog: thanks for your help, but I've given up. I was trying to get it to work just for fun, really. |
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| 02:18.39 | rares | is there a way to amplify the volume beyond 100% pulseaudio lets you do it but pulse has always been termpermental |
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| 02:19.29 | dropout | Can anyone help me to run atftpd server on my machine? |
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| 02:19.46 | tharkun | Technically speaking no amplifier will give an output beyond the 100% of its design principle. |
| 02:19.48 | dropout | I have tried to setup it but failed to start the server |
| 02:19.53 | dropout | please |
| 02:19.59 | dropout | halep, its urgent |
| 02:20.09 | tharkun | dropout: use vsftpd simpler and more secure |
| 02:20.27 | sam113101 | when I run X, my two monitors stop receiving any signal |
| 02:20.34 | sam113101 | anyone could help ? |
| 02:20.48 | dropout | tharkun: But this is to be used by an SBC and their manual says to use atftpd |
| 02:20.52 | trebuchet | I wish to install Debian(Linux AMD64) on my machine, however the stock stable kernel is too old to support the chipsets. I want to use stable with possibly a backported kernel(bpo?) on a netinstall with debian installer to setup dmcrypt... how should I go about this kernel thing? Someone recommended debootstrap but that wouldn't allow for encrypted / |
| 02:21.09 | sweetpi | tharkun: hes looking for tftp not ftp? |
| 02:21.21 | zebradog | Misterangry, sorry cant help ya.. i'm guessing it may be possible.. but i'm out of ideas other than trying a custom compile or trying a mailing list about it if you really need to set it up.. from what i 've read it's a bit of a pita |
| 02:21.21 | sweetpi | dropout: what errors are you getting? |
| 02:21.31 | dropout | sweetpi: yes |
| 02:21.42 | dropout | sweetpi: file not found |
| 02:22.03 | dropout | sweetpi: I think I have configured it incorrectly |
| 02:22.38 | Misterangry | zebradog: I was just interested in trying to connect to a BBS that was part of an alternate reality game, so it's not really a big deal |
| 02:23.03 | sweetpi | dropout: thats pretty vague, could you explain what your doing? |
| 02:23.17 | sweetpi | dropout: or pastebin the errors |
| 02:23.38 | dropout | sweetpi: Im trying to boot an SBC with a new kernel image |
| 02:24.02 | dropout | sweetpi: And for that I got a very limited boot shell |
| 02:24.29 | dropout | sweetpi: from that shell Im trying to ftp the "uImage" file |
| 02:24.41 | dropout | sweetpi: The shell only supports tftp |
| 02:25.06 | zebradog | Misterangry, ah those were the days.. 300 bps |
| 02:25.10 | sweetpi | dropout: what does the server log say? |
| 02:25.14 | dropout | sweetpi: So what I need to do is, _setup-a-atftfpd-server_ |
| 02:25.27 | dropout | sweetpi: please wait |
| 02:25.33 | Misterangry | zebradog: too bad I wasn't alive to live those days. :P |
| 02:25.33 | zebradog | Misterangry, i remember i got my first modem upgrade to 2400.. which was fast in the day |
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| 02:26.43 | dropout | sweetpi: There is no logfile present |
| 02:26.47 | dropout | :-( |
| 02:27.05 | sweetpi | dropout: check syslog |
| 02:27.17 | dropout | sweetpi: How can I do that? |
| 02:27.27 | sweetpi | dropout: tail /var/log/syslog |
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| 02:28.26 | dropout | sweetpi: Im afraid there is nothing useful |
| 02:29.03 | zebradog | Misterangry, BBS'es went extinct in the 90's.. |
| 02:29.08 | sweetpi | dropout: what is the client command your running? |
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| 02:29.58 | dropout | sweetpi: its tftp c0700000 uImage_v1 |
| 02:30.30 | dropout | sweetpi: This shell is really limited |
| 02:30.49 | sweetpi | dropout: are your following a guide? what is the url? |
| 02:31.18 | dropout | sweetpi: I followed this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-setup-advanced-tftp-server-in-ubuntu.html |
| 02:31.54 | sweetpi | dropout: i mean for flashing the new kernel |
| 02:31.55 | zebradog | Misterangry, BBS's do still run.. if you know what i mean.. |
| 02:32.12 | dropout | sweetpi: http://elinux.org/Hawkboard#Booting |
| 02:32.54 | zebradog | sam113101, you the one with that fs5200 card? |
| 02:33.14 | sweetpi | dropout: oh ok, so your already set the serverip? |
| 02:33.24 | dropout | sweetpi: yes |
| 02:34.10 | sweetpi | dropout: ok what is the tftp root set to on the server? |
| 02:34.34 | dropout | sweetpi: its by wire |
| 02:35.17 | sweetpi | dropout: i mean what root path do you have set for tftpd? |
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| 02:35.38 | dropout | sweetpi: I don't understand, How can I check? |
| 02:35.49 | jaggz | How would I send out an HTML email from shell? |
| 02:36.01 | dropout | sweetpi: I think you asks /tftpboot |
| 02:36.06 | sweetpi | dropout: not sure with atftpd, i use tftpd-hpa. it should be in its config |
| 02:36.38 | jaggz | Like, I want: <b>msg log</b> <pre>tail -n -100 /var/log/messages</pre> | mail ... |
| 02:36.42 | dropout | sweetpi: Do you mean where the files to transfered reside? |
| 02:37.04 | sweetpi | dropout: ls -la /tftpboot/uImage_v1 |
| 02:37.32 | sweetpi | dropout: yes, just making sure the server is in the right path and the kernel is in the right place |
| 02:37.54 | dropout | sweetpi: ok |
| 02:38.28 | dropout | sweetpi: Its in the right place |
| 02:38.29 | sweetpi | dropout: the root by default i think is /var/lib/tftpboot |
| 02:39.04 | dropout | sweetpi: should I move the file to that place? |
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| 02:40.48 | sweetpi | dropout: yes |
| 02:41.01 | dropout | sweetpi: done |
| 02:41.20 | sweetpi | dropout: retry on the client |
| 02:41.34 | dropout | sweetpi: no hope |
| 02:41.39 | dropout | sweetpi: same error |
| 02:41.51 | dropout | I think we need a restart of the server? |
| 02:43.10 | zebradog | dropout, dont you dropout.. you start that bitch up |
| 02:43.21 | sweetpi | dropout: not just from moving the file, only if you changed the config |
| 02:43.45 | dropout | zebradog: yes buddy |
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| 02:45.09 | sweetpi | dropout: on the server do: tftp localhost -c get uImage_v1 |
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| 02:45.50 | sweetpi | dropout: *correction: on the server do: tftp localhost -c get uImage_v1 test_v1 |
| 02:45.50 | dropout | sweetpi: Oh, tftp is not installed |
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| 02:46.08 | Tramp | according to the manpage I see, it has no configuration-file and the default-directory is /tftpboot, unless a different directory is specified on the cmdline |
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| 02:46.17 | dropout | sweetpi: shuld I use atftp? |
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| 02:46.49 | sweetpi | dropout: thats up to you, i actually prefer -hpa |
| 02:48.32 | sweetpi | dropout: since Tramp says its /tftpboot, better copy the kernel back |
| 02:48.51 | dropout | sweetpi: I tried the above command with atftp |
| 02:49.02 | dropout | sweetpi: But it says invalic option c |
| 02:49.20 | dropout | sweetpi: I got another PC client also |
| 02:49.39 | sweetpi | dropout: -c was for -hpa, im not sure about atftp. try without options or do atftp --help to check |
| 02:49.40 | dropout | sweetpi: How can I test from it? |
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| 02:49.43 | zebradog | dropout, lol.. install it then |
| 02:50.11 | dropout | sweetpi: Whats the meaning of -c? |
| 02:50.19 | sweetpi | dropout: command |
| 02:51.21 | dropout | sweetpi: Pls check http://pastebin.com/3yCqLwMr |
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| 02:52.05 | sweetpi | dropout: atftp -g uImage_v1 -l test_v1 localhost |
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| 02:53.04 | sweetpi | dropout: hmm maybe not... atftp -g -r uImage_v1 -l test_v1 localhost |
| 02:53.29 | dropout | sweetpi: :-) tftp: can't open test_v1 for writing. |
| 02:54.10 | sweetpi | dropout: hmm maybe not... atftp -g -r uImage_v1 -l /path_you_can_write_to/test_v1 localhost |
| 02:54.32 | Tramp | at this point thinks, that maybe dropout would be better off hiring a consultant or reading some basic documentation on Linux |
| 02:54.52 | sweetpi | or use tftpd-hpa :) |
| 02:55.06 | dropout | sweetpi: :-) tftp: can't open /path_you_can_write_to/test_v1 for writing. |
| 02:55.18 | sweetpi | ... |
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| 02:56.08 | busymind | helo world |
| 02:56.19 | busymind | good feed reader for debian |
| 02:56.22 | busymind | XFCE |
| 02:56.26 | busymind | ? |
| 02:56.26 | sweetpi | dropout: you did change the path, right? |
| 02:56.52 | dropout | sweetpi: We have the same file in both the locations |
| 02:56.53 | busymind | liferea is uncontrolable |
| 02:57.02 | sweetpi | is starting to agree with Tramp |
| 02:57.17 | sweetpi | dropout: i mean, you chaged the path_you_can_write_to part? |
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| 02:57.48 | dropout | sweetpi: Yes its /home |
| 02:57.53 | dropout | and I can write |
| 02:57.58 | dropout | oh god! |
| 02:59.34 | sweetpi | dropout: are you sure you can write to /home ? (not default perm for a user) |
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| 03:00.36 | dropout | sweetpi: I chnged it to /home/_my_name/ |
| 03:00.47 | dropout | but error is new |
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| 03:01.01 | dropout | sweetpi: tftp: error received from server <File not found> |
| 03:01.01 | dropout | tftp: aborting |
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| 03:01.16 | sweetpi | ok, check syslog |
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| 03:02.19 | dropout | sweetpi: This time syslog got bigger |
| 03:02.49 | sweetpi | dropout: pastebin: tail -n 20 /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:03.21 | dropout | sweetpi: http://pastebin.com/4tJHdjrw |
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| 03:04.31 | sweetpi | hmm no error, try increasing verbosity on atftpd |
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| 03:05.44 | dropout | sweetpi: Nothing more to look at :-( |
| 03:05.52 | dropout | same error messages |
| 03:06.18 | sweetpi | dropout: you increased the logging level on atftpd? |
| 03:06.31 | dropout | sweetpi: I used --verbose |
| 03:06.53 | sweetpi | dropout: show exact command please |
| 03:07.18 | dropout | sweetpi: atftp --verbose -g -r uImage-2.6.33-rc4 -l /home/deepaknarayan/test_v1 localhost |
| 03:07.51 | sweetpi | no, increase verbosity on the daemon |
| 03:08.21 | dropout | sweetpi: how can I do that? |
| 03:08.35 | sweetpi | feels like she is getting trolled |
| 03:08.46 | sweetpi | man atftpd should show how |
| 03:09.43 | dropout | sweetpi: I can see the verbose mode on option only releated... |
| 03:10.40 | sweetpi | dropout: --version=7 |
| 03:10.56 | sweetpi | err.. --verbose=7 |
| 03:11.28 | dropout | sweetpi: atftp: option '--verbose' doesn't allow an argument |
| 03:12.24 | sweetpi | again.. the option is for the atftpd /daemon/ not atftp |
| 03:13.02 | dropout | atftpd: invalid option -- 'g' |
| 03:13.14 | sweetpi | ... |
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| 03:13.19 | dropout | sweetpi: command was : atftpd --verbose=7 -g -r uImage-2.6.33-rc4 -l /home/deepaknarayan/test_v1 localhost |
| 03:13.27 | sweetpi | oh god |
| 03:13.35 | Tramp | would suggest --no-fork --verbose=7 --trace .... but he will not know where to set it |
| 03:13.37 | sweetpi | goes to sleep |
| 03:14.01 | dropout | Tramp: sweetpi Thanks for your time' |
| 03:14.02 | dropout | bye |
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| 03:14.54 | dropout | is now dropped out! :-( |
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| 03:15.11 | sweetpi | dropout: if you install tft... ok nm bleh |
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| 03:15.51 | sweetpi | i swear nobody has heard of man pages |
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| 03:34.55 | dropout | Tramp: sweetpie : It got worked, Thanks a lot for your help... |
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| 03:37.12 | Tramp | great |
| 03:38.20 | zebradog | Tramp, hear that? he called you a sweet pie |
| 03:38.23 | zebradog | lol |
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| 03:39.10 | zebradog | says nothing funnier than a sweetpied Tramp --====|} < funny pie throw ftw |
| 03:39.26 | sam113101 | when I run X, my two monitors stop receiving any signal |
| 03:39.29 | sam113101 | anyone could help ? |
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| 03:39.49 | zebradog | sam113101, not you. you're not allowed to pm people without asking them first |
| 03:40.01 | sam113101 | seriously ? |
| 03:40.03 | zebradog | sam113101, its offensive, illegal and intrusive.. |
| 03:40.13 | zebradog | yeah.. it's against the irc server rules.. |
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| 03:40.22 | sam113101 | wow |
| 03:40.31 | zebradog | like showing up naked all of a sudden in a stranger's home.. |
| 03:40.49 | sam113101 | like non-written rules |
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| 03:41.12 | sam113101 | are smileys forbidden too, on irc |
| 03:41.18 | sam113101 | like ;') |
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| 03:41.39 | prince_jammys | the only allowed smiley is <|:-) |
| 03:41.51 | prince_jammys | but not in PM |
| 03:42.10 | sam113101 | I don't like it |
| 03:42.30 | prince_jammys | why not? it's one of those newspaper hats. |
| 03:42.33 | sam113101 | -close all opened pm windows- |
| 03:43.23 | sam113101 | so, could someone help me ? |
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| 04:01.56 | Ex-Opesa | sam113101: I have heard you need ATI drivers for 2 monitors not the open source ones. I am not sure about my statement though. |
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| 04:15.38 | Gryllida | ok... |
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| 04:16.27 | Gryllida | so I'm in a debian lenny shell, it lists bash and ps as the output of 'ps', though I'm also running screen and expect it to appear in processes list. |
| 04:16.41 | Gryllida | How do I get the full processes list? |
| 04:17.32 | Tramp | ps -ef or ps aux |
| 04:18.03 | Tramp | I wanted to make a remark about manpages, but the answer was way faster to type |
| 04:18.10 | Gryllida | Tramp: it shows processes from a bunch of other users of that box as well, since it's a shell account |
| 04:18.17 | Tramp | and? |
| 04:18.27 | Gryllida | I want to know onely the ones I am running, not other users |
| 04:18.30 | Gryllida | only* |
| 04:18.32 | Tramp | that's my definition of "full process list" |
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| 04:18.41 | Gryllida | but _I_ am running screen |
| 04:18.53 | Gryllida | and it's not listed in usual 'ps' output |
| 04:18.57 | Tramp | yeah. So, for more enlightenment than I've already given, I recommend the manpage |
| 04:19.15 | massmc_ | will squeeze support ext4? |
| 04:19.22 | Gryllida | ? |
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| 04:20.19 | Gryllida | Tramp: ok, 'ps -ef | grep gryllida' seems to work |
| 04:20.35 | Gryllida | IDK whether it's the proper way but it's doable |
| 04:21.07 | Tramp | are you telling me you don't have a manpage for ps or you are too lazy to read it? |
| 04:21.20 | prince_jammys | ps's man is cursed |
| 04:21.51 | prince_jammys | a la The Ring. |
| 04:22.10 | Tramp | !tell massmc_ -about ext4 |
| 04:22.23 | Tramp | massmc_ see the link to the wiki near the end of the factoid |
| 04:24.32 | sam113101 | how can I change the screen resolution I'm using ? |
| 04:24.35 | sam113101 | in X.Org |
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| 04:37.28 | pflanze | What is the proper way to create a package from shell scripts only (no Makefile needed, really)? |
| 04:38.12 | pflanze | (What is the process that "installs" files temporarily for packing them up?) |
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| 04:40.35 | moldovean | a debian package ? /msg dpkg nmg |
| 04:41.16 | alcy | folks I am trying the PXE boot option. problem is, all clients including my tftp server get their addresses from a dhcp server which I can't access. So, is pxe booting possible in this scenario ? Can I force a client to use another dhcp server instead of the current authoritative one ? |
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| 04:47.53 | moldovean | isolate the lan off tftp and clients (unbranch them from dhcp) and do a new local net whit |
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| 04:49.02 | pflanze | moldovean: Maybe I should be asking: is there an alternative to configure --prefix=.. && make install for packages to be put into debs? |
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| 04:49.30 | pflanze | moldovean: and if not, what's the simplest "configure" infrastructure for scripts? |
| 04:49.45 | pflanze | (i.e. without using autoconf etc) |
| 04:50.03 | Gryllida | Okay I started screen, then stopped it via C-w C-z, how do I open it again? |
| 04:50.07 | nameless| | I seem to have borked something up in lenny. I needed to pull in gcc 4.4.3 from squeeze, so I added squeeze to sources.list. Now it's reverted and I seem to be unable to install locales |
| 04:50.24 | moldovean | pflanze, /msg dpkg mentor |
| 04:50.31 | Gryllida | hello? |
| 04:50.39 | alcy | moldovean: but then my tftp server is also getting its address from the dhcp server. |
| 04:51.11 | moldovean | !patience | Gryllida |
| 04:51.34 | moldovean | alcy, install a dhcp on tftp |
| 04:51.39 | Gryllida | moldovean, it's #Debian, not #ubuntu.. thanks for your attention |
| 04:52.36 | nameless| | http://nameless.pastebin.com/C68s6LP7 This is the error I get |
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| 04:53.04 | nameless| | I'm pretty sure I've removed squeeze from the list (well, commented it out) |
| 04:53.09 | nameless| | So I'm a bit at a loss |
| 04:53.18 | nameless| | any help would be appreciated :) |
| 04:53.53 | dcbevins | nameless| if you got problems from mixing repo's aptitude is better sometimes at finding a soluiton |
| 04:54.22 | dcbevins | it can offer solutions to remove packages, downgrade them, force install |
| 04:54.31 | moldovean | nameless| go for (total) squeeze , or reinstall lenny |
| 04:54.40 | nameless| | bah |
| 04:54.51 | dcbevins | try aptitude first |
| 04:56.02 | moldovean | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 04:56.03 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 04:56.52 | nameless| | dcbevins: thanks, seems that locales doesn't like gcc 4.4. Aptitude is downgrading me to 4.3 again, but it should be fine, I think. |
| 04:57.17 | dcbevins | ya ive "thought" b4 2 |
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| 05:00.59 | nameless| | actually, no, everything has gone to hell :s |
| 05:01.34 | nsadmin | perhaps backing up before taking such an extremem action would have been a smart idea |
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| 05:02.41 | nameless| | nsadmin: perhaps, but it's not a productions system yet. I just don't want to have to reconfigure it :\ |
| 05:03.01 | nsadmin | again, perhaps backing up before taking such an extremem action would have been a smart idea |
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| 05:03.28 | nameless| | nsadmin: again, perhaps, but in this case it will help me learn how to configure debain the way I want to again |
| 05:03.52 | nameless| | But, I would like to try to fix this without reinstalling if possible |
| 05:03.52 | nsadmin | I'm trying to resist the temptation... |
| 05:04.06 | nsadmin | you do it :P /msg dpkg debain |
| 05:05.20 | nsadmin | downgrading is -not- supported. there was an early decision (perhaps before infomagic released "debian 1.0" even, to fail to support downgrades. |
| 05:06.06 | nsadmin | having said that, you might be lucky enough that all of the packages are simple enough that downgrading is possible |
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| 05:06.15 | nameless| | probably not |
| 05:06.45 | nameless| | considering the errors I am getting, there's probably not a lot of hope in saving it |
| 05:06.54 | nsadmin | any package with for example a generated config file or database, will not be (directly) downgradable |
| 05:07.02 | intx | what can I use to manage wireless under debian? |
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| 05:08.17 | CrazyWoods | where can i read the debian doc? |
| 05:08.26 | Gryllida | !doc |
| 05:08.26 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>, <manuals>. |
| 05:08.35 | Gryllida | LOL |
| 05:08.41 | Gryllida | !finding docs |
| 05:08.42 | dpkg | Documentation is available in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ (esp. the README.Debian files!), man command, apropos command, info command, apt-cache search -- "-doc$". Some packages have a -doc package (perhaps in non-free, ask me about <gcc-doc>). Also ask me about <debian system>, <search> and <wiki> or see http://debian.org/doc/ http://tldp.org/ http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ http://fifi.org/ http://howtoforge.com/ |
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| 05:09.49 | nameless| | haha, to force install gcc it wants to uninstall everything |
| 05:09.53 | nsadmin | umm, it's little wonder that factoids are so useless and at the same time (purposefully) insulting, that sometimes people don't enjoy their experience here. |
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| 05:11.04 | CrazyWoods | dpkg, why there have http://debian.org and http://debian.com? |
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| 05:11.05 | dpkg | CrazyWoods: wish i knew |
| 05:11.05 | nsadmin | in the case of what we have just seen, the person ASKED for docs, someone thought "doc" would be appropriate |
| 05:11.23 | CrazyWoods | dpkg, did you robot? |
| 05:11.24 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, CrazyWoods |
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| 05:16.25 | nsadmin | and then was treated to the assumption that he was stupid and lazy.I'm strongly considering a formal complaint. |
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| 05:17.17 | nsadmin | !factinfo doc |
| 05:17.17 | dpkg | doc -- last modified at Sat Nov 14 10:14:20 2009 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 57 times, last by Gryllida, 8m 51s ago. |
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| 05:18.00 | rryouumaa | help for pwd is wrong in bash: " Print the current working directory. With the -P option, pwd prints the physical directory, without any symbolic links; the -L option makes pwd follow symbolic links." -- ... |
| 05:18.05 | nsadmin | Gryllida, looks like you just wanted to help |
| 05:19.22 | massmc_ | any reason why ext3 takes up 93 gig on a 2T drive just formatted.. would XFS be better? |
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| 05:20.12 | nsadmin | massmc: because you made a 93 gig partition? |
| 05:20.49 | nsadmin | you should explain your circumstances |
| 05:21.17 | rryouumaa | just formatted... |
| 05:21.39 | rryouumaa | massmc_: 5% is reserved for root or something? |
| 05:21.50 | massmc_ | yea |
| 05:21.53 | massmc_ | cheers |
| 05:22.07 | massmc_ | would XFS be a better option for music storage? |
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| 05:25.18 | massmc_ | I am getting this error when trying to write a XFS partition.. |
| 05:25.20 | massmc_ | Error creating file system: Cannot run mkfs: cannot spawn 'mkfs.xfs -L "New Volume" /dev/sdb1': Failed to execute child process "mkfs.xfs" (No such file or directory) |
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| 05:25.30 | massmc_ | can anyone help please |
| 05:25.39 | nsadmin | you can |
| 05:25.45 | nsadmin | read what you just posted |
| 05:25.48 | nsadmin | carefully |
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| 05:26.01 | nsadmin | what is it complaining about? |
| 05:27.47 | massmc_ | yes i know what it's complaining about , but why cant it spawn the file in there? ive had no issues with smaller drives, this is a 2T drive |
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| 05:28.48 | nsadmin | keep reading |
| 05:29.09 | nsadmin | it answers that question "why can't it spawn the file" |
| 05:30.14 | massmc_ | dude, I appreciate your help, is this a quiz channel or what? |
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| 05:32.16 | nsadmin | sure :) if you answer correctly, you get a prize! why can't it spawn the mkfs.xfs file? |
| 05:33.06 | nsadmin | (the alternative, is I read back to you what your own message said) |
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| 05:34.38 | Gryllida | How ddo I list the current bg processes? |
| 05:34.54 | nsadmin | try jobs |
| 05:35.06 | nsadmin | or ps aux |
| 05:35.22 | Gryllida | nsadmin, jobs does it, thanks |
| 05:35.23 | CrazyWoods | how to change the bash prompt? |
| 05:35.34 | CrazyWoods | edit .bashrc or? |
| 05:35.35 | nsadmin | change the env var PS1 |
| 05:35.58 | CrazyWoods | i want global effect, so which file to change |
| 05:36.49 | rryouumaa | massmc_: maybe you need to install mkfs.xfs |
| 05:37.14 | nsadmin | you can almost get global effect... for details, see: man bash in the FILES section to see what startup files bash reads, under what circumstances and when |
| 05:38.19 | nsadmin | <massmc_> Error creating file system: Cannot run mkfs: cannot spawn 'mkfs.xfs -L "New Volume" /dev/sdb1': Failed to execute child process "mkfs.xfs" (!!!!!>>>>>No such file or directory<<<<<!!!!!) |
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| 05:38.47 | rryouumaa | nsadmin: you could have done that first i think |
| 05:39.17 | nsadmin | and take away his chance to see it himself? |
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| 05:39.44 | rryouumaa | nsadmin: you are very altruistic, raising a new generation of debian users to read error messages more carefully |
| 05:40.19 | nsadmin | if they do that, they can be more independent and wield power more effectiveluy |
| 05:40.51 | massmc_ | I lolled |
| 05:41.00 | nsadmin | rryouumaa: this error message was a bit special too |
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| 05:41.29 | massmc_ | but where is this file actually that needs to be spawned? cause if i format a smaller drive to XFS I dont get that error |
| 05:41.48 | intx | is there a way to netinstall debian using multiple sources (or multiple connections?) |
| 05:41.57 | nsadmin | massmc_: the most likely answer is it's not installed on your system |
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| 05:42.10 | intx | my isp seems to be slow with single connections (bad routing?) and speed improves dramatically with multiple connections |
| 05:42.13 | nsadmin | oh? |
| 05:42.24 | massmc_ | nsadmin, I want to punch you :) In a good way of course |
| 05:42.46 | nsadmin | does /dev/sdb1 exist? |
| 05:42.57 | rryouumaa | massmc_: :36 was your answer |
| 05:43.06 | massmc_ | so that file should be installed in all my drives off the shelf ? |
| 05:43.11 | massmc_ | haha rryouumaa |
| 05:43.24 | massmc_ | hits the buzzer |
| 05:43.26 | massmc_ | oi |
| 05:43.29 | Kurogane | any1 can help me with this error Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 05:43.34 | massmc_ | lemme see if it exists |
| 05:43.34 | nsadmin | check your /dev dir for /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:43.46 | nsadmin | maybe that's what doesn't exist |
| 05:43.48 | rryouumaa | <rryouumaa> massmc_: maybe you need to install mkfs.xfs |
| 05:44.12 | massmc_ | i'm more confused now than I was before I came here |
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| 05:44.37 | nsadmin | originally, I thought mkfs.xfs wasn't installed, then you said you used it before |
| 05:44.56 | nsadmin | let |
| 05:44.59 | rryouumaa | type -a mkfs.xfs |
| 05:45.00 | nsadmin | s see... |
| 05:45.16 | rryouumaa | massmc_: |
| 05:45.57 | nsadmin | should be /sbin/mkfs.* |
| 05:46.18 | nsadmin | so take a look at... ls /sbin/mkfs.* |
| 05:47.01 | nsadmin | , find sbin/mkfs.xfx |
| 05:47.03 | nsadmin | err |
| 05:47.05 | nsadmin | , find sbin/mkfs.xfs |
| 05:47.31 | rryouumaa | massmc_: you can save space on ext3 you know |
| 05:49.01 | massmc_ | mate, you're gonna kill me |
| 05:49.20 | massmc_ | I just installed mkfs.xfs again and it worked |
| 05:49.22 | massmc_ | formatting now |
| 05:50.00 | nsadmin | well it doens' t matter too much since 2t can store a lot of mp3s |
| 05:50.22 | massmc_ | well that was quick, tok about a second to format a 2T ext3 to XFS |
| 05:51.46 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, how to make ls output colorful? |
| 05:52.34 | moldovean | CrazyWoods, on lenny it is default |
| 05:53.40 | CrazyWoods | moldovean, ? |
| 05:54.03 | CrazyWoods | moldovean, why the ls on my system didn't contain color |
| 05:54.16 | moldovean | CrazyWoods, on lenny ? |
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| 05:55.07 | CrazyWoods | moldovean, i use ssh to login, it a VPS |
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| 05:55.23 | moldovean | CrazyWoods, as root or as user ? |
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| 05:57.09 | moldovean | !listkeys color |
| 05:57.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'color' by key (15 of 21): 256colors ;; 32-bit color depth ;; _default color ;; bashcolor ;; color ;; colorgcc ;; colors ;; colortail ;; dircolors ;; high color ;; ls color ;; mutt color ;; page coloring ;; start a color war ;; true color. |
| 05:57.24 | CrazyWoods | moldovean, root |
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| 05:58.02 | moldovean | !dircolors |
| 05:58.02 | dpkg | i guess dircolors is alias ls='ls --color=auto' in your ~/.bashrc, make sure it's sourced from your ~/.bash_profile |
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| 05:58.23 | moldovean | !ls color |
| 05:58.23 | dpkg | add 'alias ls "ls --color"' to /etc/csh.cshrc, or uncomment the three lines in ~/.bash_profile which source ~/.bashrc, since the default .bashrc sets up the ls --color alias. Or ask me about ls colour |
| 06:00.25 | moldovean | CrazyWoods, cat /etc/debian_version , says ? |
| 06:00.27 | CrazyWoods | dpkg, csh.cshrc ? |
| 06:00.28 | dpkg | CrazyWoods: i don't know |
| 06:01.10 | CrazyWoods | moldovean, 5.0.3 |
| 06:01.36 | simonrvn | update and upgrade. seriously. |
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| 06:04.16 | CrazyWoods | simonrvn, thank you |
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| 06:04.57 | moldovean | CrazyWoods, apt-cache show tcsh , maybe you need it for '/etc/csh.cshrc' |
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| 06:08.10 | CrazyWoods | thank you |
| 06:09.46 | CrazyWoods | moldovean, what does the ssh server use on debian by default openssh or? |
| 06:10.32 | moldovean | yes, openssh |
| 06:10.55 | CrazyWoods | moldovean, how to see the version of a software |
| 06:11.44 | moldovean | dpkg -l openssh-server | grep ii |
| 06:11.44 | dpkg | ii openssh-server | grep ii 3.7-11 moldovean's private porn collection |
| 06:12.05 | moldovean | dpkg, good boy |
| 06:12.05 | dpkg | moldovean: aw, gee |
| 06:12.33 | simonrvn | !gender |
| 06:12.33 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 06:12.42 | CrazyWoods | moldvovean, use dpkg now apt |
| 06:13.14 | alcy | folks, is it possible to disable key verification for apt/dpkg in a static configuration file instead of passing arun time argument like --force-yes ? |
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| 06:14.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:15.21 | moldovean | CrazyWoods, that ? apt-cache policy openssh-server |
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| 06:17.23 | alcy | ok, I meant how ? :P |
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| 06:17.55 | tau | hey, i am not sure of where to go to get help for a specific question about the xfree. |
| 06:18.25 | tau | i would like to have access the buffer where the xfree yields the 'selected text by the mouse into a window'. |
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| 06:18.59 | tau | where could i get such information ? |
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| 06:20.01 | simonrvn | alcy: at this point this is where the manual or the --help is useful. |
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| 06:29.35 | CrazyWoods | simonvrn, are there some how to or tutorial for web server setup? |
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| 06:31.35 | nsadmin | each web server is different |
| 06:32.04 | nsadmin | but the basics are you need an IP and port 80 |
| 06:32.11 | nsadmin | and a name |
| 06:32.14 | tuv | munin monitors a lot of aspects, but is not flexible with time windows. cacti is flexible with time windows (ranges), but is not convenient to extend to monitor additional items. how do i get the best of the two worlds? |
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| 06:33.09 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, yes i had a VPS, so i have IP and port 80 |
| 06:33.22 | cast | tuv: i like munin, i wonder how hard coded those time windows are |
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| 06:33.40 | nsadmin | do you also have a domain name you can point at that IP? |
| 06:34.34 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, yes |
| 06:34.53 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, i had three domain point to the IP |
| 06:35.09 | nsadmin | so do you want three different sites? |
| 06:35.26 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, yes virtual host |
| 06:35.54 | nsadmin | ok, have you decided what you want to run (static pages, something more active, which web server)? |
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| 06:37.05 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, php, python |
| 06:37.34 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, which is better use deb of source compile to install apache? |
| 06:38.14 | nsadmin | see if the already-compiled package will work first... so you want apache? |
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| 06:39.12 | tuv | cast: it generates static html, so i don't think it even keeps the data necessary to generate any non-standard time windows |
| 06:39.14 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, yes? |
| 06:39.37 | nsadmin | and vers 2 of apache? |
| 06:40.13 | nsadmin | if so install that to start with |
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| 06:40.51 | CrazyWoods | apache2 apache2-doc apache2-utils , install three? |
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| 06:41.34 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, how to know which version of apache are aviable on my system? |
| 06:41.40 | nsadmin | and if I were you I'd just practice at getting three -static- sites going, each serves one simple page that says Site A (or B or C) |
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| 06:41.58 | tomkap | CrazyWoods, (root) dpkg -s apache2 |
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| 06:42.20 | nsadmin | with the whole idea being, can you get the virtual hosting working |
| 06:42.29 | tomkap | or apt-cache show apache2 in the apt |
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| 06:42.45 | nsadmin | then after that start getting the additional capabilities going |
| 06:43.03 | meowmix | can i get support in here? |
| 06:43.16 | LaidBack_01 | you can try. |
| 06:43.20 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 06:43.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:43.22 | CrazyWoods | tomkap, thank you |
| 06:43.22 | LaidBack_01 | ask your questions... |
| 06:43.32 | tomkap | CrazyWoods, no prob :) |
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| 06:43.56 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, ok , i'll do that |
| 06:44.04 | LaidBack_01 | guess that was just to gruff... |
| 06:45.40 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, Starting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 06:45.52 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, what shall i do? |
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| 06:46.35 | nsadmin | ok, good start. your server looks like it's listening on 127.0.0.1 and there is no server name defined |
| 06:46.55 | tomkap | CrazyWoods, btw check this one http://www.d0x.de/generator/virtualhost_generator.php |
| 06:47.12 | nsadmin | so the first thing you will want to do, is stop the server and get it listening to the routable IP |
| 06:47.17 | Bajio8 | Hi all |
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| 06:47.47 | tomkap | Bajio8, hi |
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| 06:48.20 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, routale IP? the VPS's IP? |
| 06:48.22 | Bajio8 | tomkap where r u from?? |
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| 06:48.39 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, http://www.rypoc.info, it seams it work |
| 06:48.39 | nsadmin | right |
| 06:48.59 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, 127.0.0.1 work? |
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| 06:49.21 | nsadmin | 127.0.0.1 is always your own machine |
| 06:49.44 | tomkap | (localhost = 127.0.0.1) |
| 06:50.10 | tomkap | is just a network loop |
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| 06:50.22 | nsadmin | if debian had warez,debian.org, it might point that domain at 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:50.58 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, nsadmin, then what shall i do now, change localhost to the IP? |
| 06:51.21 | nsadmin | so everyone who went to warez.debian.org would be pointed to their own machine |
| 06:52.04 | nsadmin | find the "It Works!" page and change it so it reads It Works Gud! |
| 06:52.34 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, what's the different between localhost and VPS IP? |
| 06:52.34 | nsadmin | it will likely be called index.html |
| 06:53.17 | nsadmin | localhost is meant to refer to the same machine |
| 06:53.18 | tomkap | CrazyWoods, you can access this ip (localhost) ONLY from your own machine |
| 06:53.21 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, localhost work well, is it necessary to change localhost to machine's IP? |
| 06:53.32 | DogBoy | heh |
| 06:53.44 | nsadmin | he;s not getting it yet |
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| 06:54.08 | tomkap | nsadmin, give him a documentation :P |
| 06:54.09 | nsadmin | but... yes, it looks like it's working |
| 06:54.18 | DogBoy | I'm just thinking that based on what I see here as the level of understanding it's going to be a long night |
| 06:54.20 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, http://www.rypoc.info/ , can you view my site? |
| 06:54.35 | LaidBack_01 | It works! |
| 06:54.43 | nsadmin | yep |
| 06:54.44 | DogBoy | holy smokes it's works |
| 06:54.46 | tomkap | yea |
| 06:54.48 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, i use localhost but it realy work |
| 06:55.04 | CrazyWoods | so need i change localhost to IP? |
| 06:55.06 | tomkap | (before the net restart) |
| 06:55.09 | DogBoy | you can test it yourself from your local machine too, just run your browser through an external proxy |
| 06:55.11 | nsadmin | what's really happening is it;s listening on all of your interfaces |
| 06:55.12 | tomkap | next* :P |
| 06:55.45 | nsadmin | now you need to define virtual hosting |
| 06:55.47 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, if i want to change localhost to IP which file to edit? |
| 06:55.54 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 06:56.00 | nsadmin | I don't run apache |
| 06:56.01 | DogBoy | change it why |
| 06:56.22 | DogBoy | you should read the apache docs and then read them again |
| 06:56.38 | DogBoy | probably you should be using a simpler web server than apache too |
| 06:56.43 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, if i have i IP and a domain point to the IP, can i named my machine? |
| 06:56.54 | nsadmin | if you have three domain names, get your virtual hosting working |
| 06:57.22 | Smiley | yep |
| 06:57.26 | Smiley | virtual hosting is awesome |
| 06:57.43 | nsadmin | what's your DocumentRoot? |
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| 06:59.10 | quiritius | hi! i've made a i386 chroot for iceweasel and use it via 'schroot -p'. the iceweasel launches and video is flash playing but with NO sound. the user is in 'audio' group (system and chroot env). the errors are like this http://www.pastebin.org/401723 . any help? thanx. |
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| 07:00.59 | tomkap | quiritius, are you using gnome? |
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| 07:01.11 | quiritius | tomkap: yes. |
| 07:01.48 | tomkap | quiritius, there is a mixing problem in mixing of flash and pulse/alsa audio in gnome |
| 07:01.49 | DogBoy | what's the chroot about |
| 07:02.13 | tomkap | i have the same problem in 86_64 machine |
| 07:02.14 | DogBoy | flash sux is the problem |
| 07:02.17 | DogBoy | heh |
| 07:02.23 | quiritius | tomkap: any way to bypass it? |
| 07:02.34 | tomkap | nop :( |
| 07:02.52 | quiritius | yeah, flash sux :( |
| 07:02.56 | tomkap | just kill all the sound appsyou have opened and then open iceweasel |
| 07:03.14 | tomkap | or downgrade the gnome-audio |
| 07:03.17 | tomkap | and mask it |
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| 07:04.17 | tomkap | quiritius, ask in #pulseaudio too |
| 07:04.40 | quiritius | tomkap: no sound apps are running. thanks anyway. |
| 07:05.02 | tomkap | quiritius, i talk about everysound |
| 07:05.11 | tomkap | and from msn too :P |
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| 07:08.11 | DogBoy | or quit using flash |
| 07:08.46 | DogBoy | one thing you (I do) to minimize the problem is to install flashblocker extension |
| 07:09.00 | DogBoy | then it only gets activated when you want it to |
| 07:09.10 | DogBoy | so not messing with your sound all the time |
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| 07:12.10 | quiritius | i block flash usually, but here all the trouble for some TV videos like thedailyshow.com |
| 07:13.17 | DogBoy | I hate that show |
| 07:13.34 | craigevil | if you are running 64 bit and using adobe flash with pulse audio take a look at, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53036#p305911 |
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| 07:17.23 | quiritius | DogBoy: tastes differ. but the point is that something is not working and it annoys me |
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| 07:17.56 | DogBoy | I was kidding quiritius |
| 07:18.13 | DogBoy | it's true that I don't like the show but it has no bearing on the subject at hand |
| 07:18.30 | quiritius | DogBoy: i certainly hate flash there )) |
| 07:19.12 | DogBoy | I've had trouble with flash so long it has led me to dread getting an email with a flash link |
| 07:19.34 | DogBoy | esp from someone that thinks I shoujld get over this linux thing and just run windows or so |
| 07:20.26 | internat | hey how do i determine what speed my nic is connected at? |
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| 07:22.46 | moldovean | internat, google Speedtest |
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| 07:23.24 | intx | my /etc/apt/sources.list has no sources, is there an utility i can use that automatically finds some? |
| 07:23.38 | craigevil | i'll be damned dailyshow works now, nice. something was wacked in my flash settings. |
| 07:24.00 | internat | no no i wanna know what speed its connected to the switch at :) |
| 07:24.09 | nsadmin | flashwack! |
| 07:24.10 | internat | ie 10/100/1000mb |
| 07:24.10 | craigevil | quiritius: if your's still isnt working try playing with the settings at, http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04.htm |
| 07:24.42 | craigevil | !tell intx about sources |
| 07:24.46 | nsadmin | internat: transfer a file to another machine and see |
| 07:24.50 | nsadmin | there's apt-spy |
| 07:25.13 | craigevil | netselect-apt works better |
| 07:25.24 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys familiar with apt-mirror tool? I'm having issues with the perl script, its chucking me errors whilst trying to parse a large list to download |
| 07:25.28 | internat | im not trying to work out my bandwidth. |
| 07:25.32 | quiritius | craigevil: thanx! i bookmarked all that for later reading. hope i will glean some solution from there. |
| 07:25.37 | internat | im trying to work out what im connected to the switch at! |
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| 07:26.09 | intx | craigevil: thanks |
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| 07:27.42 | craigevil | intx: there is a nifty sources.list generator at http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ just be careful with 3rd party repos |
| 07:28.20 | moldovean | internat, /sbin/ifconfig | grep txqueuelen ? |
| 07:28.53 | internat | ah cool! |
| 07:29.01 | internat | i didnt realise txqueuelen was it :) |
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| 07:30.44 | hormelc | hey can some test my webpage it,s at 127.57.88.92 DON,T HACK IT |
| 07:31.24 | intx | craigevil: i'll check it out, thanks again |
| 07:31.50 | craigevil | hormelc: Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to 127.57.88.92 |
| 07:32.07 | hormelc | hmm... |
| 07:32.11 | alcy | Is there a way to do dpkg --unpack to see the various configs/install scripts etc., *without* messing up the existing package management ? I just want to see the various scripts of a few packages, without the package manager having any knowledge of this ? |
| 07:32.16 | hormelc | lemme check somethin |
| 07:32.24 | hormelc | h/o |
| 07:32.42 | hormelc | ok now try |
| 07:32.53 | hormelc | can u ping it? |
| 07:33.12 | nsadmin | umm |
| 07:33.18 | nsadmin | nice trick |
| 07:33.27 | hormelc | wth... |
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| 07:33.37 | PinkFreud | alcy: you could always manually unpack |
| 07:33.39 | hormelc | now try |
| 07:33.45 | hormelc | ;p |
| 07:33.54 | PinkFreud | alcy: ar x file.deb |
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| 07:34.01 | nsadmin | 127.* is localnet :P |
| 07:34.08 | ewet | hi, does anybody use bluetile and know how to remove this "wrk-spc bar"? |
| 07:34.09 | hormelc | :D |
| 07:34.11 | alcy | PinkFreud: or maybe do dpkg-deb -e ? |
| 07:34.27 | alcy | PinkFreud: dpkg-deb -e <dirname> |
| 07:34.44 | hormelc | hey i think its friday.. |
| 07:34.54 | PinkFreud | alcy: that might work. without my checking the man page, though, I couldn't tell you |
| 07:35.13 | PinkFreud | hormelc: officially saturday here |
| 07:35.29 | alcy | PinkFreud: Its ok, I wasn't aware of the ar tool, thanks for telling. cheers. :) |
| 07:35.39 | PinkFreud | no problem :) |
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| 07:37.51 | moldovean | alcy, dpkg -x <packname.deb> <dirname> |
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| 07:39.58 | alcy | PinkFreud: dpkg-deb -e <package> <dirname> works perfectly as well, just checked. |
| 07:40.39 | alcy | moldovean: but that would probably not give me the control info that I am looking for |
| 07:40.55 | moldovean | oh |
| 07:41.15 | tomkap | .whois keramida |
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| 07:56.19 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, are you here |
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| 07:57.00 | nsadmin | in and out,but here for a moment |
| 07:57.57 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, how to set up a chroot environment for virtualhost web folder? |
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| 07:59.15 | cast | what use is chroot? |
| 07:59.41 | nsadmin | man chroot and see |
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| 08:00.48 | cast | i mean in this specific case :) |
| 08:02.05 | nsadmin | oh, my mistake... your question seemed so much more expansive than one particular case... |
| 08:02.36 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, yes |
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| 08:03.37 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: you mean that every apache-site is using its own enviroment? or the whole system? |
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| 08:04.37 | Gryllida | hello |
| 08:04.47 | Gryllida | can I create terminal commands aliases? |
| 08:04.59 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, its own |
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| 08:05.45 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, i have three virtualhost on my server, i want to they upload and download file to the according folder, just so |
| 08:05.54 | tbsaunde | Gryllida: yes alias foo=bar |
| 08:05.57 | nsadmin | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mpm_common.html#chrootdir |
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| 08:06.45 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: upload with what? ftp or sftp? |
| 08:07.04 | Gryllida | ok |
| 08:07.07 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, sftp |
| 08:07.15 | sceaa | hi all i have a bit of a problem with debian live. I have it installed on my server and i can do a network boot from it but i must not have added support for detecting disks or something. It's not detecting any of my disks except my usb drive. Anyone have any idea what i have done? |
| 08:07.20 | nsadmin | get the virtual hosts working first, make dirs for each host, put an index.html file that says something like It works! |
| 08:07.33 | nsadmin | make the message different for each |
| 08:07.50 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: ah ok, then you need real chroot :) i was using jailproject for setting it up long time ago |
| 08:08.26 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, it work now! |
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| 08:08.33 | nsadmin | make sure the uploaders understand: NO FTP |
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| 08:09.01 | nsadmin | scp/sftp only |
| 08:09.21 | nsadmin | CrazyWoods, then see the link I just posted |
| 08:10.42 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, that's for apache running in a chroot, isn't it? |
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| 08:11.30 | nsadmin | I didn't look very closely at it... and given that: |
| 08:12.04 | nsadmin | http://www.google.com/search?sitesearch=*.apache.org&q=chroot&Search=Go |
| 08:12.43 | nsadmin | it might not be the web dir you want chrooted so much as the sftp process |
| 08:13.04 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, yes |
| 08:13.45 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, where do you build the chroot? |
| 08:13.53 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, are you there |
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| 08:14.42 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, if i use chroot, where to create the website slink to the chroot user home? |
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| 08:18.17 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: i was using mod_userdir so its ~/public_html and set the userdirs in chroot |
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| 08:18.29 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: thats what the jailproject does |
| 08:19.50 | nsadmin | so I said a coupla things before that I'll reinvoke now... one, I'm in and out. and two, while I do run a simple apache service, I don't run anything special on it, no one uploads to it but me and I'm not super familiar with paths in apache |
| 08:21.01 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, i see |
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| 08:22.04 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, if the DocumentRoot is /var/www/, you create a chroot user, and just make a slink to the chroot user home? |
| 08:22.27 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: the DocumentRoot is ~/public_html |
| 08:22.34 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: with mod_userdir |
| 08:23.05 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, i see |
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| 08:24.07 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: so every user has its own documentroot,also you can do something like user.domain.de which is automaticly poiting to ~/public_html by default its domain.de/~username |
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| 08:24.49 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: with that you only need chroot if you dont want that other users can move in the system with sftp |
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| 08:25.12 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: but for the apache-part you dont need chroot to have multiple documentroots |
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| 08:28.22 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, use mode_userdir and just create virtualhost which is better? |
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| 08:32.54 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: working fine here |
| 08:33.33 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: the only problem is, that if a user has sftp he also has ssh and can walk trough the whole system (if permissions are bad) |
| 08:34.00 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, i see |
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| 08:34.40 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, what shall i do if i want to use mod_userdir |
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| 08:35.58 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: a2enmod userdir && /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 08:36.33 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: then look if ~ has public_html if not, create it and modify /etc/skel/ |
| 08:37.11 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: so every new user gets public_html (if you want that). thats all, now you can use hostame/~userame to acces ~/public_html |
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| 08:38.29 | cahoot | ,pci 1969:2048 |
| 08:38.34 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, can i see you website |
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| 08:43.27 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: alpha-unix.de :) |
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| 08:44.41 | guzu | hello all |
| 08:44.53 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: alpha-unix.de/~cuxclassic for example is doing the moduserdir-part |
| 08:45.29 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: http://alpha-unix.de/~roman/gzsz-wiki.de/ |
| 08:46.08 | guzu | i'm trying to apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-trident and it complains about failure to open /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg and Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 08:46.10 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: thats it, every webpage is a public_html in the home-dir. and domains are poiting to that, so you can use cuxclassic.de |
| 08:46.29 | guzu | after, i'm not seeing the driver in module-assistant |
| 08:46.47 | guzu | how can i check if it was "installed" or not? |
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| 08:49.12 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, can i just make a slink from /var/www/virtual1/ to /home/crazywoods/public_html instead of using mod_userdir? |
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| 08:52.47 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: sure |
| 08:53.30 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: also you can create alias in apache alias foobar /usr/share/mywebsite so hostname/foobar os using /usr/share/mywebsite |
| 08:53.35 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, which is better to use |
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| 08:54.09 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: i dont know what is better, i am just using mod_userdir and its doing the job create |
| 08:54.52 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: also have a look at #httpd for apache-questions, as it seems the chroot-idea is done |
| 08:55.17 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, i see |
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| 09:00.11 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, if i use mod_userdir, i should type ~, i means the domain need contain ~ |
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| 09:01.31 | EchoECHO | Hello! First-time Debian user, just did a fresh install. On "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade --show-upgraded" I got a ton of spam: "manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct". My understanding is this is just a minor annoyance? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494989 |
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| 09:02.48 | OpenTokix | EchoECHO: It is not important, you can do export LC_ALL=en_US and it will be ok |
| 09:03.21 | jelly-hme | OpenTokix: ITYM LC_ALL=C |
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| 09:04.07 | jelly-hme | aptitude could be that kind to configure libc6 and locales as soon as possible |
| 09:04.17 | guzu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.47 | cahoot | vim? |
| 09:05.10 | valdyn | !locales |
| 09:05.11 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 09:05.11 | EchoECHO | OpenTokix: kk, running "export LC_ALL=en_US", thank you. |
| 09:05.14 | jelly-hme | guzu: :set number |
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| 09:05.24 | guzu | jelly-hme, oh, thnx |
| 09:05.33 | guzu | cahoot, thanks |
| 09:05.40 | jelly-hme | valdyn: dpkg-reconfigure fails to work while other process has a lock on dpkg |
| 09:05.42 | EchoECHO | dpkg: thanks. Are you a bot? |
| 09:05.42 | dpkg | EchoECHO: de nada |
| 09:05.49 | EchoECHO | Guess so. |
| 09:05.55 | jelly-hme | dpkg: what are you |
| 09:05.55 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 09:06.03 | EchoECHO | That's a pretty smart bot! |
| 09:06.23 | alecs1 | hi, my audio is only available to the first user logged in; applications run as another user don't have sound; what could be the problem? |
| 09:06.24 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: give it a !botsnack |
| 09:06.26 | EchoECHO | dpkg: about |
| 09:06.26 | dpkg | Enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 09:06.42 | EchoECHO | !botsnack |
| 09:06.42 | dpkg | EchoECHO: thanks |
| 09:06.46 | EchoECHO | lol |
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| 09:07.24 | guzu | alecs1, no pulseaudio? |
| 09:07.36 | alecs1 | no, no pulseaudio |
| 09:08.20 | guzu | maybe the first user becomes the owner of the device |
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| 09:08.41 | jelly-hme | guzu: fwiw, http://www.google.com/search?q=vim+show+line+number points to correct information; you might want to invest in learning some google-fu |
| 09:08.58 | guzu | jelly-hme, thank you |
| 09:09.17 | EchoECHO | Hmmm, the 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' command fails with "no such file or directory" and "locales is not installed". Should I just use the export suggestion instead? |
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| 09:10.21 | rozie | you should install locales |
| 09:10.28 | EchoECHO | apt-get install locales? |
| 09:10.38 | alecs1 | guzu, how could I find that out? |
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| 09:11.02 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 09:11.15 | guzu | alecs1, i'm a debian newbie but try ls -l /dev/mixer |
| 09:11.16 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: indeed. or aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 09:11.29 | EchoECHO | kk |
| 09:11.33 | man_in_ltop | what's a nice easy way to play the capture channel of one alsa card through another? |
| 09:12.06 | jelly-hme | man_in_ltop: arecord | aplay? |
| 09:12.13 | alecs1 | guzu: crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 0 Jul 12 00:35 /dev/mixer, the same for /dev/dsp |
| 09:12.46 | EchoECHO | jelly-hme: So many locales! There are three en_US options, is the first one ("en_US ISO-8890-1") okay? |
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| 09:13.16 | cahoot | man_in_ltop: I'd try jack(d) |
| 09:13.23 | man_in_ltop | :| |
| 09:13.30 | man_in_ltop | you consider jack to be easy? |
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| 09:13.59 | cahoot | nice| easy - pick one |
| 09:14.08 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: iso-8859-1 is the old standard 8-bit encoding useful for some west european languages. If you're using lenny, consider a UTF-8 enabled locale |
| 09:14.23 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: enable that one and the UTF-8 one |
| 09:14.29 | EchoECHO | kk |
| 09:15.00 | EchoECHO | Thank you |
| 09:15.15 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: some apps still don't deal with UTF-8 well, and you can change the system default later anyway |
| 09:15.21 | EchoECHO | kk |
| 09:15.22 | cahoot | man_in_ltop: maybe arecord -Dhw:0 | aplay -Dhw:1 - totally untested |
| 09:16.44 | man_in_ltop | hmm, no sound |
| 09:17.04 | guzu | alecs1, i'm sorry, i can not really help you with tthat |
| 09:18.52 | man_in_ltop | definitely should be getting sound |
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| 09:20.02 | man_in_ltop | getting nothing but 0's from the capture card |
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| 09:20.38 | cahoot | capture enabled? |
| 09:20.48 | man_in_ltop | according to alsamixer, yes |
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| 09:21.48 | kavakava | Flash stopped working on 64 bit squeeze after an update. Tried it on two machines, both with the same result. I'm using flasplugin-nonfree and it was one of the things that got updatet. Any fix? |
| 09:22.23 | man_in_ltop | kavakava, adobe have pulled support for the 64bit plugin |
| 09:22.55 | kavakava | But they said they would work harder on it.. Bastards. |
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| 09:23.31 | alecs1 | kavakava: you could find the old version of the package and force it to install; if you find it please make a sign here |
| 09:23.58 | kavakava | I got libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz. |
| 09:23.59 | man_in_ltop | ok, capture card doesn't report 0s when tvtime is running |
| 09:24.02 | man_in_ltop | but stijll no sound :( |
| 09:24.04 | kavakava | No idea what version it is. |
| 09:24.43 | jelly-hme | man_in_ltop: heh, I _thought_ you were dealing with a tv card but kept quiet. |
| 09:24.56 | craigevil | kavakava: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53036 |
| 09:25.21 | man_in_ltop | jelly-hme, it's a usb video capture card. empia chipset with apparently only vfl1 support |
| 09:25.41 | man_in_ltop | and the sound input appears to be handled by a usb-audio device |
| 09:25.54 | kavakava | Ugh. I feel dirty. |
| 09:26.04 | man_in_ltop | hmm, i should double-check that |
| 09:26.06 | CrazyWoods | what's the different between using virtualhost and mod_userdir? |
| 09:26.08 | kavakava | WHy can't people just stop using flash. |
| 09:26.08 | jelly-hme | man_in_ltop: check what parameters the audio capture takes |
| 09:26.27 | kavakava | But thanks, craigevil. Will try that. |
| 09:26.30 | jelly-hme | man_in_ltop: eg. some forcing may or may not be needed, as on http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa |
| 09:26.43 | nsadmin | as far as jackd is concerned, what are typical ways it's used in a desktop env, and since I use kde, let's take that to start with |
| 09:26.54 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: just see my examples with ~ |
| 09:27.06 | man_in_ltop | saa7115 is loaded |
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| 09:27.16 | nsadmin | and especially why would someone want to set up jack to use in such an env? |
| 09:27.27 | jelly-hme | man_in_ltop: (hunt for arecord references there) |
| 09:27.54 | kavakava | nsadmin: Me and my friend use it if we want to see a show on one of the laptops and use headphones connected in two different machines. :-P |
| 09:27.55 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: "Typically" one wouldn't need to |
| 09:28.07 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, i want to know the different |
| 09:28.26 | man_in_ltop | http://dpaste.com/219128/ |
| 09:29.36 | nsadmin | jelly-hme, taking the fraction who do set up jack, what are the uses you hear repeated? |
| 09:30.12 | man_in_ltop | jelly-hme, it's definitely a usb-audio soundcard |
| 09:30.24 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: ~ is telling apache to use modu_userdir |
| 09:30.29 | alecs1 | using google, what should I look for when trying to solve this multiple users sound problem? |
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| 09:31.15 | nsadmin | alecs1, multiple users sound problem debian lenny |
| 09:31.16 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: using it is not typical at all; audio production is where it gets used the most I think, and those systems need custom kernels and other tuneups anyway |
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| 09:32.54 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, i means can i use mod_userdir to build virtualhost? |
| 09:32.56 | EchoECHO | jelly-hme: Hmm, after running "apt-get install locales" and "dpkg-reconfigure locales" I still get manconv and perl locale errors when doing "apt-get upgrade --show-upgraded" |
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| 09:33.36 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: then you haven't enabled the locales actually configured in your environment variables |
| 09:33.40 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: sure |
| 09:33.54 | EchoECHO | jelly-hme: I thought that was done via the locales tool? |
| 09:33.54 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, if i use mod_userdir can i use http://www.domain.com to view the user dir? |
| 09:34.05 | EchoECHO | The primary error is "/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" and two similar while running that tool. |
| 09:34.13 | EchoECHO | Do I need to set some env variables first? |
| 09:35.16 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: pastebin the output of "locale" command. |
| 09:35.50 | EchoECHO | kk, stand by |
| 09:36.09 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys familiar with apt-mirror tool? I'm having issues with the perl script, its chucking me errors whilst trying to parse a large list to download |
| 09:36.10 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: also complete output of a command with some of those locale errors |
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| 09:36.16 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, if i use mod_userdir the root use also had it's own public_html? |
| 09:36.22 | nsadmin | so, jack is not typically used. is it that it's not generally useful, or that it's very useful but hard to set up? |
| 09:36.33 | EchoECHO | jelly-hme: the apt-get upgrade spews a ton |
| 09:36.36 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: no |
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| 09:37.03 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, why? |
| 09:37.13 | EchoECHO | jelly-hme: locales error is here http://pastebin.com/Lv83PVUa |
| 09:37.23 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: and it tells you exactly which locales you set up, but not exist on your system |
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| 09:38.28 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: so you have LANG = "en_GB.UTF-8" |
| 09:38.48 | EchoECHO | crud, I meant to use en_US |
| 09:39.10 | jelly-hme | if you get rid of that env. variable, or enables it with dpkg-reconfigure locales, that message will go away |
| 09:39.17 | nsadmin | kavakava, so you're saying it's useful to share audio |
| 09:39.59 | EchoECHO | jelly-hme: can I just use "export LANG = " ? |
| 09:40.06 | kavakava | Well, it's cryptic as hell without an frontend, but when it first is up it's awesome. |
| 09:40.20 | alecs1 | just followed a wild idea, adding the users to group "audio" made sound from multiple users work, at least for the applications I need |
| 09:40.30 | jelly-hme | EchoECHO: sure (without any spaces around =) |
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| 09:40.49 | EchoECHO | jelly-hme: kk, gonna try that then another dkpg etc |
| 09:40.55 | cahoot | alecs1: any user whoants audio output needs to be in group audio |
| 09:41.30 | alecs1 | not really; the user that logged in first had sound without being in group audio |
| 09:41.42 | cahoot | *really*? |
| 09:41.45 | alecs1 | that's why I didn't even try this first |
| 09:42.04 | alecs1 | cahoot; yes, really; try it :) |
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| 09:42.28 | cahoot | and you're not speaking of root? |
| 09:42.37 | alecs1 | no, not root |
| 09:43.06 | cahoot | I find this hard to believe |
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| 09:45.26 | alecs1 | if you have a spare machine, or know how to disable sound for the current user it's easy to test without closing the current desktop session |
| 09:47.24 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: because root should not have a website? |
| 09:47.54 | jelly-hme | cahoot: it would be rather silly for a normal console user not to be able to play sounds out of the box. |
| 09:47.56 | nsadmin | plus web servers should not run as root |
| 09:48.14 | iceroot | nsadmin: the child-process |
| 09:48.45 | iceroot | nsadmin: but that is no problem, /var/www/ is also root and apache can read it |
| 09:48.58 | nsadmin | well there's when a web server on port 80 starts, has to be able to bind that port |
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| 09:49.39 | iceroot | nsadmin: yes, the main-process is running as root, the child-processes are wwwdata |
| 09:49.52 | jelly-hme | cahoot: read "without being in group audio" as "without having been manually added to that group" |
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| 09:49.55 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, apache will not create that for root by default? |
| 09:50.02 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: no |
| 09:50.23 | cahoot | jelly-hme: I guess |
| 09:50.33 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: also apache is not creating anything, the creatin of public_html is done by /etc/skel/ |
| 09:50.37 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, other users except root will had the public_html folder create |
| 09:50.42 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: apache is just reading the dir |
| 09:50.51 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, i see |
| 09:50.57 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: if you create public_html, apache is not doing the job |
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| 09:52.17 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: and the automatic creation is done by /etc/skell everything you put there will be copied to the homedir if you create a new user |
| 09:52.59 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, then the DocumentRoot change to be the user home? what about the DocumentRoot on .conf file such as /var/www/? |
| 09:53.13 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: its still there |
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| 09:53.53 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: again, if you enable mod_userdir you are just telling apache that domain/~username is point to /home/username/public_html. not more |
| 09:54.07 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, the user should be create after enabled the mod_userdir? |
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| 09:54.22 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: no |
| 09:54.40 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, domain means? |
| 09:54.53 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, the domain point to my IP? |
| 09:54.54 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: www.domain.de |
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| 09:55.08 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: correct |
| 09:56.12 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, but i want virtualhost such as www.domain1.com point to /home/crazywoods/public_html, not www.domain.com/~crazywoods |
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| 09:56.32 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: then create them |
| 09:56.42 | iceroot | CrazyWoods: #httpd |
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| 09:57.49 | CrazyWoods | iceroot, ok |
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| 10:05.36 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I am only able to login if I use gnome failsafe. Otherwise I only see a desktop background... |
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| 10:13.26 | nsadmin | kurkale6ka the first thing to find out, is: why? |
| 10:15.03 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: I tried to compile an application. just did 'make', next day I had this problem |
| 10:16.15 | nsadmin | what happens if you tar up the dir in which you ran make (to back up your results so you dont have to build again), remove the dir and then reboot? |
| 10:16.34 | nsadmin | what application? are you sure there was not also libs? |
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| 10:17.22 | Kuba | hey |
| 10:17.24 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: it was vim |
| 10:17.52 | nsadmin | that probably doesn't have libs. what else did you do that day |
| 10:17.59 | Kuba | What would be the fastest way to copy multiple (thousands+) of files over the network |
| 10:18.01 | Kuba | ? |
| 10:18.34 | nsadmin | kuba: how close are you and the source and destination machines? |
| 10:18.38 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: nothing else. after 'make' I couldn't use the computer anyway. when it finished I just shut down |
| 10:18.39 | jelly-hme | Kuba: a local network segment or internet? a trusted network or not? |
| 10:19.02 | Kuba | nsadmin: local network (ehternet) |
| 10:19.12 | jelly-hme | Kuba: nfs comes pretty close to line speeds, so does tar | nc |
| 10:19.41 | jelly-hme | !nctar |
| 10:19.41 | dpkg | i guess nctar is Copying stuff on trusted network, on destination: "nc -l -p 49152 | tar xvf -", on source: "tar cf - <stuff to copy> | nc destination 49152", and see also <ssh tar> |
| 10:19.47 | nsadmin | copying the files to a usb drive and walking to the other machine also comes to mind |
| 10:20.18 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: writing to usb drive may be slower than 100Base-T |
| 10:20.22 | nsadmin | eye gess yoo knoooooooo you're still missing an oooooooo |
| 10:20.33 | jelly-hme | o well |
| 10:20.39 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: I will try to remove the folder as you suggested |
| 10:20.43 | Kuba | well, I don't have spare usb/firewire disks, and i need to backup about 85GB of files |
| 10:21.04 | nsadmin | kurkale6ka: it doesn't sound like that was it, btw. |
| 10:21.55 | nsadmin | kurkale6ka btw you can aptitude install vim |
| 10:22.05 | nsadmin | just so you know you have that choice |
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| 10:22.32 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: I know, it was just for bug-reporting purposes |
| 10:22.55 | nsadmin | bug reporting? to whom? |
| 10:23.24 | nsadmin | whoever it is thanks for helping |
| 10:23.28 | jelly-hme | Kuba: tar|nc is nice if the connection doesn't break |
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| 10:23.43 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: to bram. I needed the repo version so could reliably report a problem not fixed yet |
| 10:24.03 | nsadmin | what's a bram? |
| 10:24.13 | brammator | hey! |
| 10:24.18 | brammator | that's "who"! |
| 10:24.23 | kurkale6ka | bram molenaar. vim's author |
| 10:24.26 | nsadmin | I had a feeling that would happen |
| 10:24.31 | brammator | 1-) |
| 10:24.43 | Kuba | jelly-hme: hehe, what if it does? :D |
| 10:25.04 | jelly-hme | Kuba: redo from start, or use a different method (rsync) to continue |
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| 10:25.38 | jelly-hme | Kuba: ftp protocol is also close to line speed |
| 10:25.40 | kurkale6ka | So, what are my options a part from deleting the folder? |
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| 10:26.41 | nsadmin | the thing is I doubt very seriously if just running make in a dir will have anything like this effect |
| 10:26.51 | nsadmin | brammat0r, care to chime in? |
| 10:27.26 | brammator | nsadmin huh? I'm not Molenaar. |
| 10:27.51 | nsadmin | unless the targets actually put things outside the dir |
| 10:28.12 | nsadmin | tell ya what... |
| 10:28.18 | nsadmin | do this instead... |
| 10:28.30 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: I guess I should check in the Makefile |
| 10:28.30 | nsadmin | go into the dir, run make clean |
| 10:29.10 | nsadmin | which will remove the objects and executables |
| 10:29.25 | nsadmin | see if your system is back again |
| 10:29.27 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: sounds sensible, will do. thx |
| 10:29.38 | nsadmin | see if there's a value in LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 10:30.09 | nsadmin | try rebooting if it's not back |
| 10:31.07 | kurkale6ka | ok thx |
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| 10:33.37 | nsadmin | are you trying to evaluate the one in debian? |
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| 10:34.40 | kurkale6ka | sorry? |
| 10:35.22 | nsadmin | well you're here... so it's possible you're wanting to evaluate the vim in debian |
| 10:35.55 | kurkale6ka | I have an aptitude installed version of Vim |
| 10:36.46 | nsadmin | do you want to build the package of vim and see if the bug is there as well? |
| 10:38.01 | kurkale6ka | nsadmin: dunno how to do that |
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| 10:39.08 | nsadmin | as root... apt-get build-dep vim |
| 10:39.18 | nsadmin | as user... apt-get source vim |
| 10:39.25 | nsadmin | then cd in there, and run: |
| 10:39.32 | nsadmin | debian/rules clean |
| 10:39.37 | nsadmin | debian/rules build |
| 10:39.42 | nsadmin | debian/rules binary |
| 10:39.56 | nsadmin | if all goes well, a .deb will be in .. |
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| 10:41.01 | kurkale6ka | ok, I will try that later |
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| 10:41.42 | rainbow2 | how can i locate which process is trying to access a raw drive which is not mounted ? |
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| 10:42.04 | seanw | Hi all. I've got something mounted over sshfs in my ~ but root seems to be denied access to the folder. This is bad, as I need incrond to be able to do stuff on the mount. WHy the heck does root get permission denied errors? |
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| 10:43.09 | bugger | hi all - for some reason my debian stable install has no cdrom device. it's a standard ide dvd drive, but there's no /dev/hd* entries or /dev/cdrom |
| 10:43.15 | bugger | any ideas how i can get one? |
| 10:43.18 | rainbow2 | seanw: is it mounted by root? or did you log in with a normal user? |
| 10:43.39 | seanw | rainbow2, logged in with a normal user. I don't understand why root can't get to a part of the filesystem. Surely definitionally it an. |
| 10:43.45 | seanw | can* |
| 10:44.25 | rainbow2 | seanw: think about it |
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| 10:45.22 | seanw | I have! If ~/mnt/whatever/ is part of the local filesystem, surely root shouldn't get any error when it does cd /home/user/mnt/whatever |
| 10:45.47 | rainbow2 | how can i check which process is trying to access a raw drive (/dev/..) which is not even mounted ? |
| 10:46.03 | rainbow2 | seanw: which mount parameters do you use with sshfs? |
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| 10:46.07 | nsadmin | seanw what is the exact err msg |
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| 10:46.52 | seanw | nsadmin, rainbow2: i have found a fix, one just adds -o allow_root. But I don't really understand why the filesystem doesn't work as I am expecting it to :( |
| 10:46.59 | seanw | (sorry to waste your time) |
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| 10:58.40 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to everybody |
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| 11:02.16 | alcy | folks, I have a package which depends on libdb4.3. But libdb4.3 doesn't exist in lenny. So, if I create symbolic links for libdb4.3 pointing to an available version(4.5 or 4.6), will it work ? |
| 11:03.28 | fxiny | alcy: lenny libdb4.3 : Installed: 4.3.29-8 |
| 11:04.32 | fxiny | iirc is still there form etch |
| 11:04.34 | EchoECHO | Weird. So I set my hostname to a simple name with "echo "KofaltNode" > /etc/hostname && hostname -F /etc/hostname" and now sudo fails with "sudo: unable to resolve host". Help? |
| 11:04.37 | fxiny | from* |
| 11:04.58 | alcy | fxiny: strange ? apt-cache search, apt-cache show or even browsing the packages.debian site, its only available as a binding with ruby |
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| 11:05.32 | fxiny | alcy: trying to remember why i installed it and when , chech etch repo |
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| 11:06.00 | nsadmin | alcy: if it does become unavailable, you will have to alter the app |
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| 11:06.30 | alcy | fxiny: nsadmin: installing from etch repos would probably break the system or something ? |
| 11:06.57 | fxiny | alcy: dpkg -l : ii libdb4.3 4.3.29-8 Berkeley v4.3 Database Libraries [runtime] |
| 11:06.57 | nsadmin | could easily happen, yes |
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| 11:07.09 | fxiny | my system is not broken |
| 11:07.49 | EchoECHO | Actually, nevermind, problem with my HOSTS file. |
| 11:07.56 | alcy | fxiny: ah great. will look for the etch pacakge. so you are running lenny right |
| 11:09.03 | rrrrr | i have some unknown process that is endlessly accessing a dead drive (actually only a buggy ata controller) and i would like to make this process to stop that. it seems i cant trace the process with tools like lsof. how to stop this?: sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK end_request: I/O error, dev sdd, sector 69 |
| 11:09.15 | fxiny | alcy: could be etch for xmms2 , i used to play with it |
| 11:09.39 | alcy | fxiny: can you check ? :D |
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| 11:16.15 | fxiny | alcy: dunno why , it must be in etch repo , i ugraded sarge version to testing (etch) long ago -> libdb4.2 [4.2.52-17] (4.2.52-18 Debian:testing) |
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| 11:18.03 | alcy | fxiny: ah alright. I'll see if it works, thanks again |
| 11:18.09 | PriiitM | I'm having issue with Lenny i386 and rt61 wlan card using firmware-ralink. After a while wireless download speed is reduced to 1mbit/s and only way to restore speed is by restarting /etc/init.d/networking. Has anyone else had similar issues. |
| 11:18.36 | fxiny | alcy: and distupgraded etch to Inst libdb4.3 [4.3.27-2] |
| 11:19.03 | fxiny | alcy: np , lemme know if you can find it |
| 11:19.57 | alcy | fxiny: I forgot that the app that needed it, the site that hosts packages for the app had libdb4.3, so I'll try if that works, its the same version as you have |
| 11:20.00 | fxiny | alcy: gnome pulled libdb4.1 |
| 11:20.18 | tonsofpcs | PriiitM: what happens if you restart the AP? |
| 11:20.44 | alcy | fxiny: 4.2 is available, so is 4.5 and 4.6. but not 4.3 |
| 11:20.48 | alcy | ;) |
| 11:21.29 | PriiitM | Same as after restarting networking - it'll work fine for a hour or few and then go back to 1mbit. I now noticed that iwconfig shows bit rate at 1M, manually changing it to 54M does not fix it |
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| 11:23.04 | fxiny | alcy: libdb4.5 is lenny , so i guess 4 and 3 are etch |
| 11:23.24 | alcy | fxiny: yup |
| 11:25.26 | AmberJ | !dmix |
| 11:25.27 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 11:25.51 | AmberJ | ty dpkg :) |
| 11:27.11 | fxiny | alcy: http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi |
| 11:28.31 | EchoECHO | Using the "lastlog" command, I see a whole bunch of built-in users. The security setup guide I'm reading suggests deleting unsued system accounts. But some probably are used, like the "sshd" account. How can I tell which accounts are never used? |
| 11:29.23 | fxiny | alcy: is avaiable |
| 11:29.57 | fxiny | alcy: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/db4.3 |
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| 11:30.35 | alcy | fxiny: wow that's cool. who maintains that site ? |
| 11:31.03 | alcy | fxiny: thanks, bookmarked |
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| 11:44.17 | djura-san | Hello there. Im having troubles with my bluetooth daemon. I cant start it (it shows: "Cant start daemon: permission denied" msg) and im not sure how to fix that. I read somewhere that that is a dbus thingie so i searched on google but i havent found anything that will help me. I get this error when i do "dbus-monitor" command: http://pastebin.com/jRQb7nMj |
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| 11:44.28 | djura-san | Im using debian sid |
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| 11:46.16 | amanita | hi all! |
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| 12:09.33 | hacker_kid | is it possible to log the data transferred over sftp? |
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| 12:12.17 | CrazyWoods | why i can't vist my site: http://dpaste.com/219163/ |
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| 12:13.46 | cahoot | CrazyWoods: I guess some sort of errormsg would better your odds for help |
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| 12:16.09 | hacker_kid | CrazyWoods, check your virtualhost's error log and apaches error log, the output of those would tell you |
| 12:16.09 | CrazyWoods | cahoot, http://www.rypoc.info, i just can't vist the site, no error happen when i enabled the site and reload apache |
| 12:18.50 | fxiny | hacker_kid: man sftp-server |
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| 12:23.00 | CrazyWoods | [Sat Jul 17 12:22:39 2010] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts, ? |
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| 12:25.44 | hacker_kid | fxiny, thats simple, but my ssh config reads "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp" instead of "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" i had to change that in order to chroot users |
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| 12:30.30 | hormelc | hey can some test my webpage it,s at 127.57.88.92 DON,T HACK IT |
| 12:30.54 | nsadmin | umm |
| 12:30.55 | nsadmin | again? |
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| 12:30.57 | hormelc | :D |
| 12:31.02 | hormelc | wut? |
| 12:31.15 | djura-san | hormelc: connection refused |
| 12:31.29 | hormelc | awwww |
| 12:31.33 | hormelc | noo |
| 12:31.35 | nsadmin | djura-san: it's your own machine |
| 12:31.46 | hormelc | ok i get it |
| 12:32.00 | djura-san | so much about my netwokr knowledge :| |
| 12:32.05 | djura-san | *network |
| 12:32.08 | hormelc | no it ok |
| 12:32.35 | hormelc | learn from irongeek |
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| 12:32.51 | hormelc | maybe that where i saw |
| 12:34.04 | nsadmin | dude... learn tcl or something |
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| 12:34.14 | nsadmin | or better yet |
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| 12:34.23 | nsadmin | <evil grin> |
| 12:34.38 | nsadmin | install openacs, learn the templating system and the object system |
| 12:34.38 | hormelc | tcl? |
| 12:34.39 | CrazyWoods | nsadmin, Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 12:34.45 | nsadmin | creata a page |
| 12:34.50 | hormelc | tcltk right/ |
| 12:35.11 | nsadmin | if you get that far... |
| 12:35.19 | hormelc | didnt know it was option :D |
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| 12:36.18 | nsadmin | if you have a math background, open your mind by running thru SICP |
| 12:36.53 | djura-san | math yucks :| |
| 12:37.08 | nsadmin | if he gets THAT far... |
| 12:37.25 | djura-san | heh |
| 12:37.29 | nsadmin | he'll actually be dangerous... |
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| 12:37.55 | fxiny | hacker_kid: chroot logging ? iirc is some forcecommand verbose |
| 12:38.46 | fxiny | hacker_kid: can't check my box , is off due to "canicola" |
| 12:38.56 | hacker_kid | fxiny, "canicola"? |
| 12:39.24 | fxiny | dogs having hard time because of the heat |
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| 12:42.21 | fxiny | hacker_kid: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 12:43.11 | hacker_kid | fxiny, i have followed that, which is how i have the users chrooted into their home dir but i need to log the data transfer |
| 12:43.34 | fxiny | hacker_kid: seen this one ? http://www.debian-administration.org/article/OpenSSH_logging_with_ChrootDirectory |
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| 12:44.12 | hacker_kid | fxiny, no i havent, ty |
| 12:44.28 | fxiny | hacker_kid: np |
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| 12:44.51 | EchoECHO | Hey, any recommendation on a dead-simple firewall? I don't know jack about networking, I just wanna allow a few ports in & out, that's it. Command-line config is needed. |
| 12:45.01 | thewanderer1 | ufw |
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| 12:45.36 | thewanderer1 | this firewall is included in default in Ubuntu, so it must be simple! |
| 12:45.44 | EchoECHO | lol cool |
| 12:46.08 | EchoECHO | The reccomended in my guide I'm following was "Arno's IPtables Firewall" but that damn thing had a config mess a mile long |
| 12:46.12 | cahoot | EchoECHO: why do you think you need a fw? |
| 12:46.20 | EchoECHO | I was like how is this supposed to be better than iptables |
| 12:46.28 | EchoECHO | cahoot: public ip, running a server. |
| 12:46.52 | nsadmin | on the public IP? |
| 12:47.11 | EchoECHO | sorry? |
| 12:47.24 | hacker_kid | fxiny, thanks a million, i figured it out... the repo has openssh 5.1 and i need 5.2 |
| 12:47.47 | EchoECHO | thewanderer1: "sudo apt-get install ufw" failed, missing or obsolete? |
| 12:47.51 | nsadmin | if you're going to have a firewall, it should be a separate machine |
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| 12:48.14 | EchoECHO | nsadmin: only renting one server. this is a simple setup. |
| 12:48.19 | fxiny | hacker_kid: credits to debian-admninistration.org |
| 12:48.25 | thewanderer1 | ufw: |
| 12:48.26 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.26 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.26 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.26 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.26 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.39 | EchoECHO | >< |
| 12:48.42 | EchoECHO | paste fail |
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| 12:48.47 | nsadmin | X |
| 12:48.58 | thewanderer1 | ufw is in testing and unstable |
| 12:49.05 | EchoECHO | grrr kk |
| 12:49.15 | thewanderer1 | actually, if you just need to open a few ports and close the rest, iptables is enough |
| 12:49.24 | EchoECHO | hopefully |
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| 12:49.57 | EchoECHO | An nmap scan of the machine w/o filewall shows some SMTP and other ports open though, and I haven't installed any software that does that |
| 12:50.10 | fxiny | simple is a shortcut to a dead alley |
| 12:50.29 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: what does `netstat -tln` show? |
| 12:50.40 | fxiny | once you spent half an hour on a "simple" you know almost nothing |
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| 12:51.06 | hormelc | ok |
| 12:51.08 | EchoECHO | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/Pc259MEi |
| 12:51.14 | EchoECHO | fxiny: thanks, duly noted. |
| 12:51.29 | hormelc | hey can some test my webpage it,s at 127.57.88.92 DON,T HACK IT |
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| 12:52.19 | thewanderer1 | hormelc: no worky |
| 12:52.28 | nsadmin | if that's all you're here for... |
| 12:52.40 | hormelc | can u ping it? |
| 12:52.58 | nsadmin | !ops hormelc 127.* trick |
| 12:52.58 | EchoECHO | horme1c: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
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| 12:52.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: hormelc 127.* trick |
| 12:53.05 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 12:53.18 | thewanderer1 | or ping.eu! |
| 12:53.20 | hormelc | awwww |
| 12:53.24 | EchoECHO | thewanderer1: did that netstat output help? doesn't look like anythings running |
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| 12:53.26 | hormelc | busted |
| 12:53.46 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: are you sure you are really nmaping the correct machine? |
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| 12:53.53 | EchoECHO | yea leme do it again |
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| 12:54.11 | nsadmin | you were busted the first time, I didn't do anything about you because it was cute the first time, but the joke got stale the other 9 times |
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| 12:54.54 | hormelc | hmmm.. |
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| 12:55.00 | hormelc | yea |
| 12:55.21 | EchoECHO | thewanderer1: nmap results http://pastebin.com/X05SaRNU |
| 12:55.32 | nsadmin | I just gave you about 2 years worth of learning |
| 12:55.44 | nsadmin | maybe you could think about it |
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| 12:56.11 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: is this IP your external NIC IP on the server? |
| 12:56.18 | EchoECHO | yes. |
| 12:56.29 | hormelc | i was trying to get some milage sorry nsadmin |
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| 12:56.46 | nsadmin | but nooo... come to find out you're only here to play one silly lame joke over and over... |
| 12:57.10 | hormelc | busted, totally |
| 12:57.35 | EchoECHO | Am I missing something there? |
| 12:57.38 | nsadmin | milage? dude, you're actually in reverse :P |
| 12:57.41 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: is it a VPS or a dedicated server? what is in front of it networkically? |
| 12:57.45 | hormelc | lmao |
| 12:57.48 | EchoECHO | Yea it's a VPS |
| 12:58.11 | EchoECHO | Recently purchased a Linode |
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| 12:58.29 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: I get different nmap results than you |
| 12:58.37 | nsadmin | get yourself into MIT, they appreciate ORIGINAL hacks... |
| 12:58.44 | EchoECHO | oh, haha I only censored the IP in one place >< |
| 12:58.53 | EchoECHO | fail |
| 12:59.19 | darsie | how do I use kpartx after fdisk so the kernel knows about partition changes? |
| 12:59.36 | nsadmin | reboot |
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| 13:00.00 | thewanderer1 | darsie: man kpartx or google for it |
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| 13:00.04 | nsadmin | , versions kpartx |
| 13:00.05 | judd | kpartx -- lenny-security: 0.4.8-14+lenny1; lenny: 0.4.8-14+lenny2; sid: 0.4.8+git0.761c66f-9; squeeze: 0.4.8+git0.761c66f-9 |
| 13:00.06 | EchoECHO | Well @ any rate I'd like to set up a simple firewall or iptables rules, would be prudent. I remember using UFW on Ubuntu, can I go grab it from the special debian repos? |
| 13:00.12 | EchoECHO | Or is that a bad idea? |
| 13:00.15 | nsadmin | . info kpartx |
| 13:00.16 | eli_ | !bootdisk |
| 13:00.16 | dpkg | well, bootdisk is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-<platform>, where platform is i386, powerpc, sparc, m68k, arm, or alpha, or at any mirror site |
| 13:00.17 | darsie | nsadmin: But fdisk says: "The new table will be used at the next reboot or after you run partprobe(8) or kpartx(8) |
| 13:00.56 | nsadmin | the (8) means it's in section 8 of the manual, so you would man 8 kpartx |
| 13:00.56 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: if you really need a firewall and are unwilling to go into testing, read an iptables documentation and write a simple init script for that |
| 13:01.30 | EchoECHO | thewanderer1: okay. I'm assuming Debian defaults has nothing, correct? That's why I was confused by nmap results. |
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| 13:01.54 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: yes, you can see that by `iptables -L` |
| 13:02.12 | nsadmin | there's "Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable Guides" |
| 13:02.14 | fxiny | why into MIT ? isn't wall street recruiting again for the "incoming" recovery ? that's the place :P |
| 13:02.15 | EchoECHO | ah. |
| 13:02.26 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: and the strange nmap results are probably from a network IDS at Linode, a honeypot or so... |
| 13:02.33 | darsie | the man page doesn't tell. I tried kpartx /dev/sda, but the swap partition is still used as 4 GB instead of 6 GB. I'll see info kpartx ... |
| 13:02.41 | nsadmin | do you really want him messing with the economy? |
| 13:02.54 | EchoECHO | thewanderer1: kk. I will probably just use straight IPTABLES, the others are just as confusing >< |
| 13:03.13 | darsie | info kpartx also gives me the man page. Shall I try options? |
| 13:03.14 | nsadmin | darsie: swapoff then try it |
| 13:03.41 | darsie | I did swapoff before resizing thepartition, and swapon afterwards. |
| 13:03.53 | nsadmin | darsie: you should probably read thru it at least |
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| 13:04.32 | thewanderer1 | EchoECHO: right, the basic steps are: add an incoming accept rule for SSH, for other services you need, then write a script to change the default (catch-all) INPUT policy to DROP and reset it to ACCEPT after a minute, and run it so that you don't lock yourself out |
| 13:05.37 | darsie | nsadmin: I've read it another time now. Shall I use option -a Add partition mappings ? |
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| 13:06.20 | nsadmin | sure, but swapoff first |
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| 13:06.41 | nsadmin | then swapon after |
| 13:07.42 | darsie | 'kpartx -a /dev/sda' gives errors: device-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Invalid argument |
| 13:07.50 | thewanderer1 | now, does anyone know a good manual or just the proper steps for implementing a centralized Linux network logon/identity management? preferably with Kerberos... I'm just baffled with LDAP |
| 13:07.55 | darsie | mkswap makes 4 GB. |
| 13:08.37 | nsadmin | darsie: hmm... probably you need to reboot to have the kernel know what's up with the drive |
| 13:08.53 | darsie | I'll try partprobe. Need to install it ... |
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| 13:09.59 | fxiny | again MIT & kerberos ? i read an excellent article in debian-administration long ago by Docelic ? |
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| 13:10.15 | darsie | I can't find partprobe. |
| 13:10.18 | bdc1959 | wanderer: you're better off to use LDAP or LDAP and Kerberos together than Kerberos alone. LDAP is easy. |
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| 13:10.39 | mms_ | Hi I have pxe netbook xp install issue at http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/249136-45-netbook-install-stops. Please take a look and advise. |
| 13:11.19 | bdc1959 | wanderer: Use OpenDS for directory services, then lookup PAM and NSS LDAP authentication, you'll find everything you need. It's not a "linux" thing, it's a PAM and NSS thing. |
| 13:11.33 | nsadmin | mms_: you're installing xp? |
| 13:11.35 | thewanderer1 | bdc1959: but how do I perform secure authentication? don't I have to place admin credentials on client machines? and if I do, users streal them and I'm doomed |
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| 13:12.59 | fxiny | thewanderer1: is this you are asking ? : http://www.debian-administration.org/article/MIT_Kerberos_installation_on_Debian |
| 13:13.03 | bdc1959 | wanderer: use SSL or StartTLS for encrypted communication, and you can set up a PKI with LDAP so there is no password transmission at all |
| 13:13.27 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: not really, I already have Kerberos, just no idea how to make it stick with OpenLDAP |
| 13:13.36 | fxiny | oh |
| 13:15.13 | thewanderer1 | if I go with Kerberos and just authenticate against that instead of LDAP, will passwd just work? and with NSS hooked to LDAP, will adduser work? |
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| 13:15.38 | mms_ | sorry got disconnect I guess... |
| 13:15.43 | mms_ | Hi I have pxe netbook xp install issue at http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/249136-45-netbook-install-stops. Please take a look and advise. |
| 13:15.49 | nsadmin | mms_: you're installing xp? |
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| 13:16.24 | mms_ | nsadmin: yes on existing netbook with debain already.... |
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| 13:17.02 | mms_ | nsadmin: I have debian on netbook and I am unable to get help with folks in other groups...no one knows I guess... |
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| 13:17.34 | mms_ | nsadmin: if any one here experienced this issue might advise... |
| 13:17.52 | darsie | partprobe is in parted. But it says: "Warning: WARNING: the kernel failed to re-read the partition table on /dev/sda (Device or resource busy). As a result, it may not reflect all of your changes until after reboot." Seems I have to reboot after all. |
| 13:18.14 | thewanderer1 | bdc1959: any ideas on how to keep Kerberos and LDAP in sync if I keep authenticating by Kerberos? |
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| 13:19.30 | onbes | clear |
| 13:19.46 | bdc1959 | In that configuration, LDAP would be the Kerberos store. This is not the best idea, because LDAP can store credentials securely. |
| 13:19.55 | bdc1959 | so there would be no "sync" at all |
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| 13:21.00 | mms__ | any one knows what exe to run to get the install process to continue ....my install process stopped after copying files.... |
| 13:21.24 | darsie | dpkg --configure? |
| 13:21.25 | dpkg | darsie: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:21.27 | mms__ | sorry wrong message to this channel... |
| 13:21.29 | icebrain | mms__: try #windows |
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| 13:21.55 | bdc1959 | wanderer: Much simpler to use OpenDS as a PKI and let your clients and users authenticate by using ssh with LDAP capability (widely available). The users/clients public keys are kept in the directory, session-based keys are exchanged for authentication, and the whole thing is simple, and easy to understand. |
| 13:22.04 | mms_ | icebrain: thanks. am already in it. But in case you want to give it a shot. |
| 13:22.21 | darsie | mms_: if you rerun aptitude dist-upgrade (or whatever install command you used) it'l probably tell you. |
| 13:22.29 | bdc1959 | wanderer: this setup also supports sudo; much easier than managing a bunch of sudoers files |
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| 13:23.19 | cmayo | i'm half asleep and typed 'apt-get upgrade --show-upgraded' without thinking of the repercussions. how do i stop an upgrade in the middle of one safely? |
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| 13:24.03 | thewanderer1 | bdc1959: I would surely use it if it wasn't in Java, but my site's security policy disallows Java at all... the setup sounds quite portable, though. what do you mean by OpenDS as PKI and ssh with LDAP capability? |
| 13:24.03 | darsie | if I accidently type 'mkswap /dev/sda' ... will it wipe my disk? |
| 13:24.48 | thewanderer1 | darsie: yeah |
| 13:25.09 | EchoECHO | Gotta love that command-line |
| 13:25.17 | darsie | :) |
| 13:25.26 | thewanderer1 | that's nothing, you should try that on an embedded platform |
| 13:25.39 | bdc1959 | wanderer: you'll find OpenLDAP has a lot of problems and insecure things, for example, some passwords stored in the clear in configuration files, I cannot imagine that is OK with your security folks. |
| 13:25.43 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: i am intrested in a link/manual about OpenDS as a PKI myself |
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| 13:26.45 | bdc1959 | wanderer: PKI: store public keys (from ssh-keygen) in LDAP and let SSH-LDAP authenticate users using that key (and under the covers, the private key and symmetric keys) |
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| 13:28.35 | eli_ | any one with a good link for creating a install usb for debian? |
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| 13:29.13 | icebrain | !tell eli_ about usb install |
| 13:29.31 | dutchfish | eli_: http://boot.kernel.org/ |
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| 13:29.39 | thewanderer1 | bdc1959: that's nice, I guess it requires a patched OpenSSH, right? do you think Fedora DS would be better for a directory server than OpenLDAP? |
| 13:30.01 | g0rd0n | anyone knows a good source where i can compare cpu performance? i have the choice between a xeon dp e5405 and an amd opteron 2344he for building a debian server, but am unsure as to how they compare performance-wise... |
| 13:30.24 | thewanderer1 | g0rd0n: http://cpubenchmark,net has nice bars |
| 13:30.46 | thewanderer1 | typo, should be a dot not a comma |
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| 13:31.36 | bdc1959 | wanderer: it requires LDAP support in OpenSSH, which I am not sure whether it is on by default. I use it so often I've forgotten whether OpenSSH has that support in the main builds, sorry. I am not familiar with the details of Fedora DS except that it's similar to Sun's DS (from the same code base). |
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| 13:36.56 | thewanderer1 | bdc1959: thanks, I will look into LDAP-enabled SSH and research on Fedora DS and possibly others... I'm still using a MySQL NSS setup but Windows clients dislike that |
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| 13:40.37 | bdc1959 | welcome |
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| 13:49.21 | aiyu | i have set /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, but i cant get connected to my wifi... Any help. |
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| 13:50.03 | cahoot | not without any errormsg |
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| 13:54.55 | aiyu | is there anything else to configure other interfaces and wpa-supplicant.conf file.... Please help. |
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| 13:55.39 | cahoot | run wpa-supplicant from commandline and report result/any possible error |
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| 13:56.29 | cahoot | if you run testing/squeeze you might consider wicd |
| 13:56.59 | aiyu | i ran wpa-supplicant and i got CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS..... IT REPEATS |
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| 13:57.35 | cahoot | aiyu: what wifidevice? |
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| 13:57.59 | aiyu | Cahoot: intel |
| 13:58.07 | cahoot | intel what? |
| 13:58.21 | aiyu | Wireless 3945 85 |
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| 13:58.36 | aiyu | Sorry ABG |
| 13:59.05 | aiyu | INTEL PRO/WIRELESS 3945 ABG |
| 13:59.17 | cahoot | aiyu: ok - try this: modprobe -r iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945 && dmesg|tail -n 20 - any complaints about firmware ? |
| 14:01.57 | aiyu | Cahoot: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0 : link is not ready |
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| 14:02.36 | aiyu | cahoot: before that i got registered led device for radio,assos rx and tx |
| 14:02.46 | cahoot | aiyu: put the output on a pastebin |
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| 14:03.18 | cahoot | do not paste in channel |
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| 14:03.40 | aiyu | Cahoot: unfortunately i am on my phone, and i dont have ethernet conn to my pc, so i cant get connected to internet unless my wifi works :( |
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| 14:03.49 | aiyu | I will type it all here |
| 14:04.03 | cahoot | aiyu: no need |
| 14:04.09 | aiyu | K |
| 14:04.25 | cahoot | aiyu: you don't see any complaints at all - f ex about firmware? |
| 14:05.16 | CrazyWoods | what's the different between adduser and useradd? |
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| 14:05.47 | aiyu | no, after the line saying : firmware: requesting iwlwifi -3945-1.ucode, i get 4 registered led device lines then the line i sent u first |
| 14:06.14 | thewanderer1 | CrazyWoods: useradd is more manual, adduser asks you questions and does magic for you |
| 14:06.16 | cahoot | aiyu: ok - seems the device per se is ok |
| 14:06.58 | cahoot | aiyu: misconfigured wpa_supplicant.conf? wpa-key wrong? |
| 14:07.27 | aiyu | no i rechecked it many times, i will type my woa_supplicant.conf here |
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| 14:08.23 | aiyu | network={ |
| 14:08.45 | aiyu | Ssid="linksys" |
| 14:09.25 | aiyu | psk=my key here in wpa_passphrased form |
| 14:09.30 | aiyu | } |
| 14:09.44 | aiyu | Cahoot: thats all i have in my file |
| 14:11.05 | aiyu | Cahoot this file shud be in /etc/wpa_passphrase.conf right? |
| 14:11.05 | aiyu | Cahoot this file shud be in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf right? |
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| 14:12.54 | cahoot | aiyu: look in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-psk.conf |
| 14:13.22 | cahoot | used to work for me |
| 14:13.35 | aiyu | :) k |
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| 14:22.27 | l3on | Hi all... I would report a wnpp ITP bug. I've already worked on that package, solving bugs and modifing files in the debian dir. have I to add these information (my past job) in the bug ? |
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| 14:30.50 | Guest59841 | How can I make my NTFS drive readable and writeable in Debian? Right now it is read only by root |
| 14:30.55 | Guest59841 | (upon startup) |
| 14:31.09 | cahoot | !ntfsrw |
| 14:31.10 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 14:32.19 | starenka | hi., i have this eee ntb and it wont boot to x due to ro /. i have grub delay set to 0 and so i can't change delay and boot into safe mode. don't have usb or cdrom. any clue? |
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| 14:33.29 | Guest59841 | !ntfsrw |
| 14:33.30 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 14:33.35 | _ke | is there a way i could recover installed and removed apps from only the /var directory ? |
| 14:33.45 | Guest59841 | dpkg, I'm asking you about ntfs-3g |
| 14:33.46 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Guest59841 |
| 14:33.59 | Guest59841 | dpkg, ntfs-3g |
| 14:33.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 14:34.15 | Guest59841 | dpkg, user accessible ntfs |
| 14:34.15 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
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| 14:35.47 | ed0n0n | Starting web server: apache2/usr/sbin/apache2: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3: symbol krb5_hmac, version k5crypto_3_MIT not defined in file libk5crypto.so.3 with link time reference failed! |
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| 14:36.59 | ed0n0n | I used some Packages from test/unstable repos and I can't downgrade the above, getting a very unstable system. Can you help please? |
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| 14:38.52 | ed0n0n | I found a link about the issue, but need a litle help to fix it. Issue link: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=197650 |
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| 14:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | ed0n0n: We warn people repeatedly not to mix packages from testing and unstable with stable systems; we warn you not to use unstable packages for a production server. |
| 14:44.16 | jhutchins_lt | ed0n0n: I suggest you restore to a backup prior to the installation of the unstable packages, or if that isn't possible do a clean install of stable. |
| 14:44.28 | jhutchins_lt | ed0n0n: Do NOT run testing or unstable on a production system, |
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| 14:45.28 | ed0n0n | I needed to get Grub to boot an Ext4 fs. Isn't there a way to downgrade? |
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| 14:47.37 | ed0n0n | isn't really possible to even get some shared_libs back? :( :-$ |
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| 14:54.45 | ed0n0n | is there any hope i can get new files from Debian FTP Archive and replace the libs succesfully? |
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| 14:55.21 | hacker_kid | im using rssh restricted to sftp only and chrooted, when i try to login the connection closes immediately after entering the correct password, syslog doesnt show any errors, anyone know the possible problems? |
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| 14:58.27 | thewanderer1 | ed0n0n: you could try to repair the system by putting it offline, backing up everything you have besides the package files (/etc, /srv, /var/lib, /home), save the list of installed packages to somewhere, then debootstrap stable and restore all your packages... this is effectively reinstalling it |
| 14:59.04 | thewanderer1 | hacker_kid: if you are logging in over ssh, ssh client tries to launch a shell by default, so no wonder a login doesn't work |
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| 15:00.05 | hacker_kid | thewanderer1, actually i am trying with an sftp client, and the ssh client behaves as expected (displays the standard rssh operation denied message and terminates) |
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| 15:02.48 | fxiny | hacker_kid: who is the owner of the chroot dir ? |
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| 15:04.05 | ed0n0n | thewanderer1: if I debootstrap lenny to a another partition I get another new instllation? or is it possible to overwrite current system? |
| 15:04.40 | thewanderer1 | hacker_kid: I assume you have read this FAQ: http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/faq.shtml#6 |
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| 15:04.57 | hacker_kid | fxiny, it was root, i corrected that to the user, same result |
| 15:04.58 | stayb | whats a good tool for music editing ` |
| 15:04.59 | stayb | ? |
| 15:05.16 | hacker_kid | thewanderer1, yes... just trying to figure out what exactly is missing |
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| 15:06.02 | thewanderer1 | stayb: lmms |
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| 15:07.23 | samfisher | hello. does this channel maintains logs? |
| 15:07.36 | fxiny | hacker_kid: chown root.root /home/user ? |
| 15:07.41 | thewanderer1 | ed0n0n: while it is possible to overwrite the current system, jumping out of a window is about as safe and useful... better try a new install |
| 15:07.41 | rudi_s | hacker_kid: It must be root owner, man sshd_config | less -p Chroot |
| 15:08.44 | hacker_kid | fxiny, with root as the owner i have the same issue |
| 15:09.57 | fxiny | hacker_kid: the directory in which to chroot must be owned by root , ssh changes directory after the chroot call |
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| 15:10.29 | tonytraductor | hi guys |
| 15:10.53 | fxiny | hacker_kid: is the same as for sftponly . Match group sftponly |
| 15:11.04 | fxiny | hacker_kid: adduser user sftponly |
| 15:11.21 | ed0n0n | so I really have to Move to a new system anyways :( But to be honest, Debian was really stable, it's a pitty, Anyway maybe easyer to move to another lenny than configuring another distro, ain't it? |
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| 15:12.01 | tonytraductor | I'm trying to install lenny on an everex cloudbook. I have a 2gb usb key, and when I copied the lenny-xfce*.iso to the key, it said ran out of space. Why? the boot.img is and the iso together should be well less than 1gb, from what I can tell. |
| 15:12.04 | thewanderer1 | ed0n0n: that's what I meant, lenny |
| 15:12.34 | hacker_kid | rudi_s, the directory and everything under it are owned by root, i believe I am missing something to support the session but do not know what |
| 15:12.59 | tonytraductor | the usb key did boot, and the installer is running |
| 15:13.09 | tonytraductor | this is on an everex cloudbook, for future reference |
| 15:13.20 | ed0n0n | thewanderer1: thank you for your help, and for assuming this hard decision for me ;) |
| 15:13.36 | tonytraductor | okay...there was a problem reading data from the cd-rom...apparently the iso did NOT fully write to the key...I don't get it. |
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| 15:13.46 | tonytraductor | I was told to use a key with at least 128mb...mine is 2gb |
| 15:14.07 | fxiny | hacker_kid: usermod -d / user ? |
| 15:14.14 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: how much space is left on the device? |
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| 15:14.27 | tonytraductor | which device, the usbkey? |
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| 15:15.28 | fxiny | hacker_kid: tail -f ssh log |
| 15:15.37 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: yes |
| 15:15.42 | fxiny | it should print something |
| 15:15.46 | tonytraductor | looks like there are only c. 240mb worth of stuff on there. should be plenty of space |
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| 15:16.03 | tonytraductor | I'm going to wipe it and replace the boot img and iso again. |
| 15:16.54 | hacker_kid | fxiny, unsure of where the ssh log is, both auth.log and syslog appear ok |
| 15:17.02 | fxiny | hacker_kid: auth ? |
| 15:17.53 | hacker_kid | fxiny, session opened, subsystem request for sftp, session closed (all within 1 second) |
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| 15:19.07 | fxiny | hacker_kid: no pam line ? |
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| 15:19.30 | hacker_kid | fxiny, sorry i missed that, the password was accepted |
| 15:19.37 | stayb | need a music player that is very specific at playing |
| 15:19.43 | stayb | which does exist? |
| 15:19.52 | tonytraductor | I might have to use a smaller img, I suppose, like the business card, or something, because it did it again |
| 15:20.01 | tonytraductor | cp: writing `/mnt/debian-501-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso': No space left on device |
| 15:20.48 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: are you using a partitioned pendrive? check with df -h that you have enough space, business card is probably unneeded |
| 15:21.05 | thewanderer1 | stayb: mpd is good at playing music |
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| 15:22.18 | stayb | thewanderer1, what to do unable to bind port 6600: Address already in use |
| 15:22.18 | stayb | maybe MPD is still running? |
| 15:22.59 | thewanderer1 | stayb: netstat -tln, check if this port is busy, if it is, you might need to shutdown mpd by hand... it sometimes fails to shut down |
| 15:23.03 | tonytraductor | okay, it wrote the businesscard iso without issue |
| 15:25.29 | fxiny | hacker_kid: have you tryed to chroot without logging ? |
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| 15:25.34 | _ke | is there a way i could recover installed and removed apps from only the /var directory, as my disk crashed and i only have the backup ? |
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| 15:25.56 | hacker_kid | fxiny, im not understanding your question |
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| 15:26.26 | tonytraductor | I tried installing xubuntu9.10 on this cloudbook and it kept freezing. |
| 15:26.57 | tonytraductor | and since I use lenny on my desktop/workhorse, I figure, why not |
| 15:27.29 | thewanderer1 | _ke: you might want to look at /var/lib/dpkg/status - write a script to grep packages for you and pass them to apt-get via xargs or so |
| 15:28.05 | fxiny | hacker_kid: like this http://www.minstrel.org.uk/papers/sftp/builtin/ |
| 15:28.07 | jonbob | hello all i am having trouble with nvidia cards i have tryed to follow the advice givern here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#freedrivers but it fails each way can anyone help please |
| 15:28.19 | fxiny | hacker_kid: no logging , just chroot |
| 15:28.47 | _ke | thewanderer1, ok, thanks |
| 15:28.54 | jonbob | i have also tryed the nvidia way and that to failed |
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| 15:29.06 | tonytraductor | well, looks like this is working. I imagine I might be back later if I have issues getting wifi going, or anything. |
| 15:29.20 | manchot | for a windows client to connect to an VPN server, what is the best program to use in the server side? |
| 15:30.00 | manchot | openswan? openvpn? |
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| 15:30.08 | hacker_kid | fxiny, im currently not logging anything but the standard output of openssh and rssh, but anyway thanks for trying i give up on chroot until openssh 5.2 is backported or the next stable comes out |
| 15:31.05 | thewanderer1 | manchot: a router with PPTP crap |
| 15:31.30 | manchot | or pptpd ? |
| 15:31.56 | thewanderer1 | manchot: yes, PPTP is what Windows computers like |
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| 15:32.13 | manchot | thewanderer1, is pptp secure? |
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| 15:32.27 | dutchfish | manchot: for a road warrior solution vpn/ssl or ipsec tunneling, forget the pptp crap |
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| 15:32.54 | thewanderer1 | manchot: it is at least more secure than stable... works for me and uses strong encryption |
| 15:33.25 | thewanderer1 | manchot: though, as dutchfish said, for laptops it performs poor |
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| 15:34.12 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: in order of performance: ipsec, pptp, vpn/ssl (but performance isnt everything) |
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| 15:34.48 | thewanderer1 | by 'performs' I also meant 'works reliably with my Linux client' |
| 15:34.57 | dutchfish | all 3 do |
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| 15:35.44 | dutchfish | being vpn/ssl and ipsec the most reliable |
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| 15:37.07 | dutchfish | it all depends on your needs, depending on the usage like road warrior solution, a fixed tunel between to subnets, a short lived tunnel between endpoint and so on |
| 15:38.07 | dutchfish | there is no such thing as 'one fits all' |
| 15:39.00 | dutchfish | even tunneling over ssh might be a solution sometimes |
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| 15:43.28 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: you are right, I just recommended PPTP (however much I may dislike it) in response to a question about a Windows-friendly solution |
| 15:44.21 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: well, from the win-clients view openvpn might actually be easy enoug to do |
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| 15:45.40 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: that is if we are talking 'a reasonable safe' solution, there is no such thing as totally safe. |
| 15:46.14 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: being pptp being obselete |
| 15:46.41 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: but thats just my humble opinion |
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| 15:50.29 | dutchfish | manchot: if you dont have the skills to pull it off, you might consider smoothwall express at the server side, its a breeze to setup and maintain and free too [/offtopic] |
| 15:50.48 | manchot | dutchfish, just install pptp |
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| 15:51.23 | manchot | dutchfish, I am confused by all the options: openvpnï¼ l2tpd/IPSec VPN, openswan, pptp |
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| 15:51.30 | manchot | what are differences? |
| 15:51.36 | dutchfish | manchot: its confusing yes |
| 15:51.53 | dutchfish | manchot: the best thing to do is: dig in, by reading |
| 15:51.54 | manchot | dutchfish, can smoothwall express be installed on Debian? is it a single pkg? |
| 15:51.57 | AmberJ | Is there some service like ubuntu PPA to publish debian repos/debs for others to use? |
| 15:52.17 | Mikey6 | AmberJ: backports ? |
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| 15:52.23 | dutchfish | manchot: its a total solution for firewalling with tunneled access |
| 15:52.45 | manchot | dutchfish, I don't have a physical server to tweek. |
| 15:53.01 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 15:53.34 | dutchfish | manchot: then i gues, make a large coffee and start reading about openvpn/ssl, thats my best bet |
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| 15:54.03 | manchot | dutchfish, thank you ;-) |
| 15:54.06 | dutchfish | manchot: i really discourage pptp, its unsafe, period |
| 15:54.18 | manchot | why unsafe? |
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| 15:54.30 | AmberJ | Mikey6: ok ty. |
| 15:54.43 | gnoob | Hi guys:) I have been messing around with ubuntu-server for a while, but would like to try debian for server instead. Are there any large differences that I should be aware of? I like the ubuntu though.. but probably because its debian based?? Lol same packages almost, and raid, samba, and everything is handled the same way? |
| 15:54.49 | Mikey6 | AmberJ: also there are many unofficial debian pkg repos |
| 15:55.22 | manchot | gnoob, for servers, I would recommand debian. |
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| 15:55.47 | dutchfish | manchot: thats a long story, but since you are already using win clients search technet about it ;0 |
| 15:55.55 | AmberJ | Mikey6: But does backports allow a separate account for everyone? |
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| 15:56.18 | gnoob | manchot Ok good:) Im am actually taring up all configuration files and stuff right now to install debian instead.. :) But why is debian a better choice? |
| 15:56.28 | Mikey6 | AmberJ: not sure.. Backports is usually for providing new packages for a stable debian version |
| 15:56.39 | AmberJ | yeah |
| 15:56.51 | cahoot | gnoob: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:56.52 | AmberJ | I want a personal hosting place to provide my personal debs |
| 15:56.56 | manchot | gnoob, because it has a large base of server admins who use debian. |
| 15:57.12 | manchot | gnoob, and write up tutorial for debian-based server setup. |
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| 15:58.03 | manchot | dutchfish, technet? |
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| 15:58.53 | jordanm | !tell gnoob about why debian |
| 15:58.56 | gnoob | ok:) sounds good. I have the nasty habbit of writing down every single thing I do when configuring and setting up server.. Would that be of interest to someone? |
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| 15:59.50 | jordanm | AmberJ: i recommend hosting from grokthis.net . very geek and OSS friendly, and they even host a public debian mirror |
| 16:00.31 | Mikey6 | I have a small script to quickly create users. But it only creates one user instead of 100. |
| 16:00.39 | Mikey6 | http://pastebin.ca/1902460 |
| 16:00.55 | babilen | gnoob: do you know "script" ? |
| 16:01.11 | freezke | hy, i'm playing around with honeyd, i've set up all and it works fine, now my question is, do i have to forward in my real router the open port to the virtual ip? or how does that work? |
| 16:01.13 | gnoob | Whats the best way to start getting debianized? Minimum install cd? |
| 16:01.25 | gnoob | I know bash.. :) |
| 16:01.27 | Mikey6 | Wow.. I accidentally pasted my post and irssi warned me about pasting more than 5 lines.. cool |
| 16:01.46 | AmberJ | jordanm: I was looking for a free host :) |
| 16:01.50 | jordanm | Mikey6: that rarely works properly for me |
| 16:01.53 | babilen | gnoob: No, I meant "man 1 script" -- might save you some time |
| 16:01.58 | cahoot | Mikey6: should have been 2 |
| 16:01.59 | Mikey6 | jordanm: it worked on fedora |
| 16:02.17 | Mikey6 | and now I wanted to use the same on my debian machine |
| 16:02.35 | jordanm | Mikey6: I mean the irssi multi-line paste warning |
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| 16:02.46 | Mikey6 | jordanm: Ah.. ok |
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| 16:02.55 | babilen | !tell gnoob -about netinstall |
| 16:03.02 | Mikey6 | cahoot: what should have been 2 ? |
| 16:03.13 | gnoob | babilen Ohh thats cool!! I think Im going to love this! |
| 16:03.41 | cahoot | Mikey6: actually IIRC more than 3 lines get you kicked here |
| 16:03.48 | babilen | gnoob: hehe - another thing to simplify your life (in term of organising changes to configuration files) is "etckeeper" ... have fun |
| 16:04.02 | Mikey6 | cahoot: Yeah I know that.. but it showed 5 because I had 5 lines |
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| 16:04.28 | jordanm | Mikey6: try: for i in $(seq 1 100); |
| 16:04.49 | Mikey6 | Irssi said, your trying to paste 5 lines in #debian, Ctrl + K to paste or Ctrl + C to cancel |
| 16:05.02 | Mikey6 | jordanm: thanks.. will try that |
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| 16:05.14 | jordanm | Mikey6: also, #bash |
| 16:05.34 | _hexguy | does anyone know if chromium-browser will make it to debian repositories someday? |
| 16:05.41 | Mikey6 | jordanm: but it works on fedora and few others as well |
| 16:05.47 | Mikey6 | whats the problem |
| 16:05.48 | manchot1 | hey guys, how did you run that !tell command? |
| 16:06.04 | jordanm | _hexguy: its in the debian repos now, but it may never make it into backports for currently stable. expect to see it in the next release |
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| 16:06.14 | cahoot | !tell manchot1 about selftell |
| 16:06.28 | jordanm | Mikey6: perhaps {1..100} is a bash4 feature? |
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| 16:06.47 | _hexguy | jordanm: is it in the repos? im using squeeze and can't find it, maybe its in sid? |
| 16:06.53 | Mikey6 | jordanm: yeah could be.. thanks seq works |
| 16:06.59 | jordanm | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 16:07.00 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.99~r51029-3 |
| 16:07.04 | gnoob | babilen: Thanks for sharing knowledge! script and etckeeper look awesome indeed |
| 16:07.07 | manchot1 | cahoot, how to list all the factoid? |
| 16:07.08 | jordanm | _hexguy: yep |
| 16:07.15 | _hexguy | jordanm: thank you ^^ |
| 16:07.32 | manchot1 | babilen, etckeeper is interesting |
| 16:08.02 | Mikey6 | _hexguy: you can also download builds from chormium buildbot site if you like to run nightly builds |
| 16:08.18 | BrainBug[BE] | hy, i'm playing around with honeyd, i've set up all and it works fine, now my question is, do i have to forward in my real router the open port to the virtual ip? or how does that work? |
| 16:08.24 | Mikey6 | you may need to make a few sysmlinks to get it to work though |
| 16:08.46 | CrazyWoods | i use DSA key to login and disable use to login as password, but now i setup a stfp server with chroot for user to login, how to enabled the chroot user to login as password, or any idea? |
| 16:08.50 | _hexguy | Mikey6: but i believe only the source is available for download, i tried to compile but no luck, it also a huge source |
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| 16:09.05 | jordanm | Mikey6: or he can help in the testing of the browser for the next release, and report bugs accordingly |
| 16:09.38 | jordanm | _hexguy: there are builds that will work for debian, as well as the proprietary version |
| 16:10.07 | _hexguy | jordanm: how can i test it and look for bugs? |
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| 16:10.32 | _hexguy | jordanm: just download install and report? |
| 16:10.46 | jordanm | _hexguy: install it and start using it. find something wrong? query-bts to look for existing and "reportbug" to report it |
| 16:11.16 | _hexguy | jordanm: roger that |
| 16:11.50 | _hexguy | jordanm: I was planning to give firefox4 a try since it has a very friendly feedback system to let mozilla know if something if wrong |
| 16:12.05 | _hexguy | is* |
| 16:13.06 | Mikey6 | _hexguy: no they are binaries |
| 16:13.32 | Mikey6 | _hexguy: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux/ |
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| 16:13.58 | _hexguy | Mikey6: yeah, just got it from there |
| 16:14.18 | Mikey6 | _hexguy: you need not compile. just execute ./chrome |
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| 16:15.10 | _hexguy | Mikey6: yeah, didn't know this existed, I've been having a lot of trouble compiling from source.. thank god its built already |
| 16:15.57 | mms_ | I am on grub command using c. on doing find / + TAB should I be able to see winxp related info ? I see it in menu though... |
| 16:17.20 | manchot1 | how to list all the factoids in this channel? |
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| 16:19.07 | Mikey6 | mms_: you type e in the menu after moving the hightlight bar above windows option |
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| 16:21.28 | peteweez | I use make-kpkg to compile and install my kernels. I have a perfectly good, relatively recent working kernel which I don't wish to recompile. However, I need to add just a few modules to my installation. I have already enabled them through make menuconfig. Can I compile -just- these three or so modules, and leave everything else completely alone? |
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| 16:21.48 | tharkun | Is there a way to make a debian machine ignore a windows dhcp and obey a unix based dhcpd. |
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| 16:23.03 | gnoob | tharkun not that I know about... you could put in a delay on the windows one and tell the linux one to give addresses only to some mac addresses?? |
| 16:23.11 | babilen | tharkun: you have two dhcp servers in your network? |
| 16:23.27 | shylent | find the one who runs the rogue dhcp server and kick his ass! |
| 16:23.27 | andrewm659 | hi, can someone help me get a intel raid card mounted on debian/knoppix, I can't find which driver to modprobe.... |
| 16:23.28 | gnoob | yeah:) not good practice :p |
| 16:23.31 | lindi- | peteweez: not really no |
| 16:23.43 | peteweez | lindi-: haha well crud |
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| 16:24.16 | peteweez | lindi-: I know if I were just using the kernel's make; make install I could do thatâit wouldn't make clean the source tree first |
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| 16:24.21 | gnoob | better to use static ips or set up a different network with routing to the other one |
| 16:24.26 | mi||ipede | hello |
| 16:24.31 | peteweez | but I assume make-kpkg will automatically make clean, right? |
| 16:24.57 | jordanm | tharkun: the host OS's make no difference. dhcp is a standard protocol, and two of them on the same network will certainly cause issues |
| 16:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Because of the way they work before addresses are assigned you really can't have two DHCP servers on one subnet. |
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| 16:25.39 | peteweez | All this for a Bluetooth module⦠|
| 16:25.43 | lindi- | peteweez: afaik the only thing you can do is to use ccache to cache the compiler work |
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| 16:26.09 | peteweez | lindi-: Thank you. |
| 16:26.19 | jhutchins_lt | andrewm659: You'll need to know the model and preferably the chipset to find what driver you need. |
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| 16:26.47 | tharkun | jordanm, jhutchins_lt if a set the proper scopes upon both dhcp servers there should be no isues (ip conflicts between the machines) I only need the linux clients to ignore the MS server :-( |
| 16:27.14 | babilen | tharkun: I an just ask again: "Do you actually have two dhcp servers on the same subnet?" If yes, follow shylent's advice :) |
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| 16:27.32 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 16:27.42 | Mikey6 | tharkun: manually assign ips to the linux systems and let the windows machine continue giving ips after the last linux machine |
| 16:27.46 | jordanm | tharkun: its not about scope, its about the fact they both _broadcast_ protoocols |
| 16:28.04 | babilen | tharkun: It is first come first serve - You could configure the MS server to ignore certain MAC addresses (i.e. those that belong to the linux clients) |
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| 16:28.12 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: The problem is that when a machine sends out it's discovery packets it doesn't identify what range is allowed. |
| 16:28.45 | wuffi600 | will there be a way in the squeeze-installation process to install debain/GNU linux without using non-free software? Will there be a free kernel with squeeze? |
| 16:28.47 | mi||ipede | jordanm: Doesn't the DHCP protocol allow for several servers to answere the intial request from a new machine? Isn't there a sort of "whoever answers first" system? |
| 16:28.53 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Yes, if you locked down all of the addresses in the MS server to specific macs that might work, but last I checked you couldn't tell an MS server "ignore these macs". |
| 16:28.58 | gnoob | It would tecnically be possible altough not recommended at all :) You have posibilities to make different vlans on switch? Would use static ips on linux then if few machines.. if not make another net :) |
| 16:29.01 | babilen | mi||ipede: Yes |
| 16:29.18 | globe | debian sucks |
| 16:29.34 | jordanm | mi||ipede: yes, its essentailly who answers first |
| 16:29.37 | shylent | well, unless the dhcp servers are specifically configured for cooperation, it is whoever answers first usually gets to give out an address |
| 16:29.44 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: The discovery broadcast goes to all machines on the network, anything that has a DHCP server will respond, it's just who's response gets registered first. |
| 16:29.48 | mi||ipede | babilen: I've had 2 DHCP servers on same subnet, but made absoultely sure they assigned different ranges of IP's, say 1-100 on one, and 101-200 on teh second |
| 16:29.56 | gnoob | it is possible though to put in a responce delay on the win server and set the linux dhcp to give ip only to specified mac addresses.. but not recommended :) also dhcp generates a lot of broadcast |
| 16:30.05 | _hexguy | wuffi600: I believe it installs with free software by default |
| 16:30.14 | andrewm659 | jhutchins_lt, i can find that really quickly... |
| 16:30.21 | babilen | mi||ipede: Still - A DHCP request will reach both servers and whoever replies first will be able to assign the IP |
| 16:30.25 | jhutchins_lt | gnoob: Do you know that you can put a delay on the MS sever, or are you speculating? |
| 16:30.28 | mi||ipede | thatw orked fine (until the dumbass second router reset, and started asigning over full range, causing conflicts) |
| 16:30.28 | tharkun | Gentlemen, thx for the crash curse on dhcp |
| 16:30.37 | babilen | tharkun: hehe :) |
| 16:30.42 | mi||ipede | babilen: yes |
| 16:30.43 | wuffi600 | _hexguy, ok. and will there also a kernel that does not use non-free patches? |
| 16:31.04 | gnoob | Im 99% sure its possible... Learned it some years ago i believe.. never done it my self though |
| 16:31.05 | babilen | tharkun: Is there a reason why there are two servers? |
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| 16:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | gnoob: Not from my experience with MS severs. |
| 16:31.28 | tharkun | babilen: Phasing out the Win 2k server |
| 16:31.33 | jordanm | wuffi600: the non-free sections of the kernel are package seperatly, and not part of r a default setup |
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| 16:31.46 | jordanm | !tell wuffi600 about dfsg |
| 16:31.49 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Just shut it down and let the *nix server run the net. |
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| 16:31.55 | gnoob | jhutchins_lt ok I might be wrong though... Ill google it :) |
| 16:31.58 | mi||ipede | please somebody.. I need some help with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:32.11 | _hexguy | wuffi600: the gnu project has a version of the linux kernel 100% free, but i dont remember where to find it |
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| 16:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | kernel.org? |
| 16:32.30 | tharkun | shylent: I will stop the rogue server, but kickin my own ass out is going to be problematic :-) |
| 16:32.36 | jhutchins_lt | Debian's kernel is free by default. |
| 16:32.49 | gnoob | http://www.phwinfo.com/forum/ms-public-win-server-dns/361270-dual-dhcp-delay-response-one.html Yeah, possible |
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| 16:33.01 | _hexguy | wuffi600: sorry, it was the fsf |
| 16:33.04 | mi||ipede | Yes you have to add non-free stuff quiet deliberately |
| 16:33.09 | mi||ipede | quite |
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| 16:33.26 | aiyu | hii all, i set up my interfaces and wpa_supplicant file, my wifi hardware is well detected and firmware installed, but i cant get connected to my wifi, please help me... |
| 16:33.28 | tharkun | Mikey6: Ips are not the isue, but the dns parameters this windows servers pushes into the debian boxes |
| 16:33.42 | Mikey6 | tharkun: Ah.. ok |
| 16:33.55 | wuffi600 | _heyguy thanx for your hint |
| 16:34.04 | globe | only a idiot would use debian, it's the most useless worthless ugliest coded linux dist out there |
| 16:34.24 | tharkun | globe: you might be right, but it makes my life easy |
| 16:34.24 | mi||ipede | globe: Why do you say that? |
| 16:34.28 | gnoob | globe wich one do you like? |
| 16:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | gnoob: That's an MS/MS setup and is not good networking practice. |
| 16:34.33 | mi||ipede | (in less than 20 paragraphs :) ) |
| 16:34.44 | jhutchins_lt | gnoob: There are ways to do multiple DHCP servers, that's not it. |
| 16:34.46 | globe | gnoob: windows 7 |
| 16:34.56 | babilen | please, don't feed the trolls. they are so mean when they are hungry :) |
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| 16:34.57 | gnoob | lol windows |
| 16:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | gnoob: The delay appears to be a 2008+ feature, so I hadn't seen it. |
| 16:35.08 | Mikey6 | globe: are you bored ? |
| 16:35.13 | tharkun | babilen: btw nice to see you around |
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| 16:35.33 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: You can configure seperate parameters on a pattern matching basis. |
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| 16:36.26 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: I can do that in linux, I am not up to poking with windows dhcp server. Specially on a version where its EOL is near |
| 16:36.27 | globe | Mikey6: yes, Im bored |
| 16:36.27 | babilen | tharkun: :-D |
| 16:36.42 | _hexguy | wuffi600: sure but you should do some research on the matter since the linux kernel shipped with debian is free, what i dont know is if it has binary BLOBS |
| 16:36.56 | _hexguy | wuffi600: http://directory.fsf.org/project/linux/ here more info |
| 16:37.26 | mi||ipede | >> I cannot get dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to ask ANYTHING remotely useful, DESPITE setting priority level (both plow and priority=low syntax), remving all xorg.conf files etc. Is teher any way of getting it to actually ask useful questiosn about video cards, etc? |
| 16:37.52 | mi||ipede | I rue the day they decided to automate xserver config |
| 16:38.27 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Yeah, just get the setup on the linux server right and snuff the windows service. |
| 16:38.31 | andrewm659 | jhutchins_lt, still there? |
| 16:38.43 | lindi- | mi||ipede: are you sure xserver-xorg is the package? |
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| 16:38.54 | mi||ipede | lindi-: thanks for answering! |
| 16:39.44 | babilen | mi||ipede: Which version of Debian are you tracking? |
| 16:39.48 | mi||ipede | lindi-: yes, it's installed, inm use, etc. I can see teh config files in /etc/X11. I just want ti to ask somethign other than trivial questions. rsearched extensively and no suggestiosn I've seen work |
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| 16:40.02 | mi||ipede | babilen: lenny |
| 16:40.07 | lindi- | mi||ipede: I think the options are grep ^Description: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.templates |
| 16:40.23 | babilen | !tell mi||ipede -about xorg config lenny |
| 16:40.24 | andrewm659 | jhutchins_lt, i have a ICH10DO chipset....if you can help me with my storage issue |
| 16:40.31 | mi||ipede | lindi-: hmm just a tic |
| 16:40.38 | babilen | mi||ipede: What are you trying to configure? |
| 16:40.56 | tharkun | What is the factoid for dpkg that overrides some dhcp parameters? |
| 16:41.13 | jordanm | tharkun: man dhclient.conf |
| 16:41.26 | mi||ipede | babilen: I want to check/possibly change the video driver. Also default resolution would eb nice. IOW, what you uSED to be able to do, if you were mad enough |
| 16:41.37 | tharkun | !coffee jordanm |
| 16:41.37 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic, fair trade International Roast Caterers Blend for jordanm, courtesy of tharkun |
| 16:41.50 | jhutchins_lt | andrewm659: Supposedly supports linux... |
| 16:42.09 | _hexguy | wuffi600: according to wikipedia, debian does separate the blobs from the kernel in the non-free repos |
| 16:42.17 | andrewm659 | jhutchins_lt, do you knwo what the modprobe for the kernel would be?? |
| 16:42.20 | babilen | mi||ipede: You can still alter your xorg.conf to your liking. I haven't used "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in ages so I can't really comment on that |
| 16:42.27 | jordanm | andrewm659: modprobe piix |
| 16:42.40 | wuffi600 | _hexguy, thank you a lot for the fsf kernel project link. |
| 16:42.51 | aiyu | hii all, apart from interfaces and wpa setup , do i have to do anything to connect to my wifi? Pls help |
| 16:43.07 | andrewm659 | jhutchins_lt, nope, that wouldn't load....i'm on knoppix....which i realize isn't debian |
| 16:43.15 | _hexguy | wuffi600: you're welcome, but as said, debian is totally free if you dont use the non-free packages |
| 16:43.17 | babilen | aiyu: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 16:43.45 | aiyu | babilen: i tried that, it couldnt solve my prob |
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| 16:43.51 | jhutchins_lt | andrewm659: knoppix has limited hardware support. |
| 16:43.57 | aiyu | I think i am missing something smaalall |
| 16:44.08 | babilen | aiyu: Problem? Which problem? I heard of no problem! :-) |
| 16:44.22 | mi||ipede | babilen: yes, but it's laborious. I don't mind auto config when it WORKS, but the newer situation is idiotic. Really, you have little choice except trivial questions or totally manual editing. |
| 16:44.26 | wuffi600 | _heyguy: so i guess the squeeze installer will let me choose if i want 1) non-free kernel with binary blobs 2) same as 1) with non-free patches added 3) a blobfree kernel without non-free elemenst? right? |
| 16:44.26 | jordanm | knoppix is much closer to debian than most other debian-baseds... |
| 16:44.33 | jordanm | uses it for his livecd needs |
| 16:44.35 | andrewm659 | jhutchins_lt, can you reccomend something else? |
| 16:44.43 | jhutchins_lt | andrewm659: itco_wdt driver. |
| 16:44.44 | aiyu | Babilen: no connection is my prob. I setup everything but not connecting |
| 16:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/33-rc5/drivers/watchdog/iTCO_wdt.c |
| 16:44.47 | gnoob | On my server Ive got some problems I would like to avoid on the new debian server.. that is when writing fdisk -l I get: Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 16:45.00 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like it's in 2.6.33. |
| 16:45.03 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 16:45.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-17); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:45.12 | gnoob | Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table, Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table.. Is this normal?? |
| 16:45.20 | andrewm659 | jhutchins_lt, that didn't work either |
| 16:45.20 | jordanm | gnoob: yes |
| 16:45.26 | babilen | mi||ipede: Well, if that really is the case I completely agree with you. As I said, I haven't used dpkg-reconf x-xorg in ages and am not aware of the way it works these days as I am quite happy with my (mostly empty) xorg.conf. |
| 16:45.29 | jhutchins_lt | andrewm659: So you'd need to backport it - /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:45.45 | _hexguy | wuffi600: no, by default it install with only free software, later on you can choose to include the non-free repository, but this is not your case |
| 16:45.51 | babilen | aiyu: What are you using to connect? What kind of network are you connecting to? |
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| 16:46.07 | jhutchins_lt | andrewm659: You would probably need a kmuto installer. |
| 16:46.09 | jordanm | gnoob: fdisk is not the best tool for examining raid |
| 16:46.13 | jhutchins_lt | andrewm659: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 16:46.18 | andrewm659 | jhutchins_lt i'm not running debian right now |
| 16:46.23 | andrewm659 | hmmm |
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| 16:46.28 | aiyu | hmmm home network thru router |
| 16:46.29 | andrewm659 | atleast not here |
| 16:46.34 | andrewm659 | this is for a friend |
| 16:46.42 | jhutchins_lt | andrewm659: That's a generic driver, not limited to debian. |
| 16:46.44 | aiyu | Babilen: home wireles network |
| 16:46.45 | JordiGH | squeeze is about to freeze... I can feel it in my bones. |
| 16:46.49 | JordiGH | Are my bones lying? |
| 16:47.00 | jordanm | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 16:47.00 | dpkg | ! <macrobat>=2010-12-13 aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 16:47.09 | wuffi600 | _hexguy, so why then fsf maintains their own kernel. Is it the same debian uses? |
| 16:47.20 | jordanm | JordiGH: place your bet in pool 2 |
| 16:47.21 | gnoob | jordanm: I have read a bit about partition aligning and stuff.. Would that mean that partitions are not aligned? Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. (this is not a raid partition and partitioned using fdisk) |
| 16:47.41 | JordiGH | What's the pool, the freeze date? |
| 16:47.50 | babilen | aiyu: Yes, is it encrypted (WEP/WPA) and which tool are you using? |
| 16:47.53 | lindi- | wuffi600: different organizations have slightly different idea of free software |
| 16:48.03 | mi||ipede | lindi-: That file is exclusively non-english options |
| 16:48.08 | aiyu | Babilen: wpa, i am using wpa_supplicant |
| 16:48.18 | JordiGH | jordanm: I've been seeing the RC bug count trickle down. |
| 16:48.20 | jordanm | gnoob: yes, and likely one of the reasons that the fdisk manpage recommend using cfdisk instead |
| 16:48.26 | JordiGH | themill already lost. |
| 16:48.36 | JordiGH | valdyn too. |
| 16:48.38 | jordanm | and some others |
| 16:48.47 | mi||ipede | lindi-: was there soem other approach re xorg config? babilen mentioned it. |
| 16:48.50 | lindi- | mi||ipede: stable still has some non-free stuff in kernel |
| 16:49.04 | JordiGH | Is there a hard limit? Once the RC bug count reaches this, we freeze? |
| 16:49.05 | _hexguy | wuffi600: good question, I don't know about that but as lindi said, depends on what free means. What im sure of is that debian separates those blobs and puts them in a package called linux-firmware-something available only in the non-free repo |
| 16:49.06 | lindi- | sorry i mean wuffi600 |
| 16:49.13 | wuffi600 | does debian use the kernel-sourtces from linus Torwalds et Alii or does it use the blobfree sources from fsf? |
| 16:49.17 | JordiGH | If so, it's just a simple matter of extrapolating from the graph. |
| 16:49.23 | lindi- | _hexguy: wuffi600: the problems are listed in http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/debian-freedom.txt |
| 16:49.28 | jordanm | JordiGH: I have heard about such for release, but not freeze |
| 16:49.38 | gnoob | jordanm ok, thanks |
| 16:49.39 | mi||ipede | lindi-: (re non-free kernel). Actually I recall there are still remnants there. |
| 16:49.47 | jordanm | JordiGH: this will be the first dev cycle I have watched though |
| 16:49.48 | JordiGH | wuffi600: Debian tries to remove blobs on its own. |
| 16:49.51 | lindi- | _hexguy: wuffi600: debian has many patches that remove non-free stuff but there might still be some left |
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| 16:50.19 | lindi- | mi||ipede: yes at least for lenny there definitely are |
| 16:50.20 | babilen | aiyu: Ok, how did you configure wpa_supplicant? Are you using the "managed" or "roaming" mode? Could you connect to any network before or is this your first attempt to connect to a (wpa?) network? Do you get output in /var/log/daemon.log related to wpa_supplicant? |
| 16:50.36 | _hexguy | wuffi600: there's a wiki that explains some of that http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing |
| 16:50.39 | wuffi600 | lindi- how far are we from the let debian be again a recommended OS on the GNU.org website? |
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| 16:50.48 | JordiGH | jordanm: This is the third dev cycle I am monitoring. The official RC bug count is always too pessimistic, though. I don't know exactly what makes Debian freeze. |
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| 16:50.54 | lindi- | wuffi600: no idea, not sure if that itself is a goal |
| 16:51.19 | lindi- | wuffi600: but see the bugs I listed |
| 16:51.33 | _hexguy | wuffi600: i believe thats not possible since debian offers to install non-free software |
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| 16:51.45 | JordiGH | !freeze |
| 16:51.46 | dpkg | A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 16:51.49 | tharkun | babilen, jordanm, jhutchins_lt: I will use the supersede option on the few debian machines so i can test all the other network infrastructure. I'll leave dhcp as the last hop. |
| 16:52.01 | JordiGH | Ah, when release goals are met? |
| 16:52.05 | _hexguy | wuffi600: those distros listed on the fsf dont let users use non-free sw |
| 16:52.19 | _hexguy | wuffi600: more important you should read this http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 16:52.27 | lindi- | _hexguy: they used to list freedos though |
| 16:52.28 | _hexguy | wuffi600: it clears things out |
| 16:52.36 | lindi- | _hexguy: which was full of non-free stuff |
| 16:53.08 | jordanm | tharkun: dhcp does not "hop" because it is not routable |
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| 16:53.11 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Different people have different definitions of free. |
| 16:53.24 | JordiGH | The unofficial RC bug count is much more optimistic: http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/rc-stats/2010-28 |
| 16:53.28 | _hexguy | lindi-: not there anymore is it? |
| 16:53.37 | mi||ipede | lindi-: whose non-free bits are still in debian/Lenny? |
| 16:53.44 | mi||ipede | I mean in kernel |
| 16:53.45 | JordiGH | re: freedom discussion, inb4 wtfpl |
| 16:53.48 | aiyu | babilien: regarding mode , i am not sure. I have connected to a wifi 3 days ago, it took me a while to connect. In logo/var/daemon i get, no working leases in persistanr |
| 16:53.48 | wuffi600 | _hexguy, sure but we should get together here. debian GNU/linux is the mostimportant distribution of GNU. |
| 16:54.15 | tharkun | jordanm: Thx for the gramatical precission :-) |
| 16:54.17 | lindi- | _hexguy: yes not anymore |
| 16:54.21 | aiyu | Babilen: contd.. persistant database - sleeping |
| 16:54.29 | _hexguy | wuffi600: whats your point? |
| 16:54.29 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-, wuffi600, mi||ipede This does not appear to be a debian support discussion, perhaps you could move to #debian-offtopic? |
| 16:54.32 | lindi- | mi||ipede: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/debian-freedom.txt lists non-free bits that are in lenny |
| 16:54.50 | lindi- | wuffi600: mi||ipede: I suggest #freesoftware instead :) |
| 16:54.51 | _hexguy | jhutchins_lt: sorry, you are right |
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| 16:55.02 | wuffi600 | _hexguy, thank you |
| 16:55.14 | mi||ipede | jhutchins_lt: fair enough re non-free, I am primarily interested in xserver-xorg probs at moment anyway |
| 16:55.18 | jhutchins_lt | There do appear to be some support questions active, if you're looking for help you should probably ask again. |
| 16:55.21 | babilen | aiyu: Ok, so you are sending out dhcp requests (which means that you could associate to the AP) but you did not get an answer. |
| 16:55.43 | wuffi600 | lindi-, thany for your important hints an links |
| 16:55.54 | mi||ipede | lindi-: yes tks for links |
| 16:55.57 | babilen | aiyu: Could you paste the output of "lspci -knn|grep -i network" and the applicable daemon.log output to a pastebin please? |
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| 16:56.57 | aiyu | babilen: unfortunately i am on my phone, and i cant connect ethernet to my pc ... Sorry.. I will type it here ... |
| 16:57.57 | babilen | aiyu: Uh |
| 16:58.03 | babilen | aiyu: Hang on then :) |
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| 16:59.01 | babilen | aiyu: The "lspci -knn ..." command should have given you a pciid (the stuff within [...] like "abcd:1234") and the kernel module in use. Tell me those ... |
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| 17:00.33 | tharkun | aiyu: You might be out of range of your wifi. You can recieve some signals from it, but the signal/noise level is too low to make effective data transmission. Try putting your computer nearer you wifi hotspot |
| 17:01.10 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: if you have Bluetooth both on your laptop and mobile phone, you can try to connect via your phone in GNOME's network-manager |
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| 17:03.25 | mms_ | I installed xp using pxe and rebooted after it copied files using wpeutil reboot command. I had added to menu.lst the windows entry as its 3rd partition. On selecting it to go into winxp it gives disk read error. any idea ? |
| 17:04.14 | mms_ | I am installing on netbook with ssd. |
| 17:04.46 | babilen | aiyu: What shouldn't make a difference, but I found to be necessary sometimes was to "modprobe -r your_wireless_module && sevice wpasupplicant stop && killall wpa_supplicant wpa_cli dhclient && modprobe your_wireless_module && service wpasupplicant start" |
| 17:04.59 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Windows not booting isn't a Debian problem, sorry. |
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| 17:05.44 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: wise. I thought I can use some grub prompt command to make progress... |
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| 17:06.13 | globe | fuck |
| 17:06.33 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Sounds like the windows bootloader isn't properly installed on that partition. |
| 17:06.35 | babilen | aiyu: ah, forget the "service wpasupplicant stop/start" they are not applicable and i meant "service networking stop/start" |
| 17:07.39 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: I haven't messed with the MS boot stuff since NT though, you'll have to find someone who knows what the next piece in the chain is. |
| 17:08.02 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: could be. as I said I installed using pxe network install but not sure why windows bootloader would not install well. actually if I go to c: again using pxe wpe I can see windows files on c: |
| 17:08.19 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't there a script/utility in Debian that finds Windows partitions and makes them bootable? |
| 17:08.38 | jhutchins_lt | update-grub perhaps? |
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| 17:08.58 | raphi_ | jhutchins, run a 'fixboot' from your xp-cd, which you can access from the 'recovery shell' |
| 17:09.35 | babilen | aiyu: I messed that up, because I switched from wpa_supplicant in roamed mode to wicd some months ago .. |
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| 17:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | raphi_: No windows here. |
| 17:10.23 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Would raphi's suggestion apply? |
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| 17:11.49 | mms_ | I actually have done grup-install which lists winxp. raphi_ suggestion I dont know. I will have to pxe boot. and try to run fix boot. I dont know what is recovery shell. |
| 17:11.53 | Sherpya | someone knowns more about 0day hord3 exploit? |
| 17:13.24 | raphi_ | mms_, if you start the xp-installation from the CD, you can choose something like 'repair'/'fix' and then you get a commandline, where you can run fixboot. |
| 17:13.28 | mms_ | raphi_: note that I am in middle on install. Its finished copying files and now I manually rebooted using weputil reboot. |
| 17:14.29 | mms_ | raphi_: I can basically map the cd drive and navigate it to find fixboot ? |
| 17:14.51 | mms_ | raphi_: as I said I am doing pxe netboot.....my NETBOOK is diskless. |
| 17:15.34 | AmberJ | Aren't linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 supposed to be in repos? |
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| 17:15.46 | AmberJ | I'm asking because I dont see them in official repos |
| 17:15.48 | mms_ | raphi_: I should then just do that....also note my part 1,2 are debian, swap and I have winxp on part 3. |
| 17:15.50 | AmberJ | +right now |
| 17:15.57 | AmberJ | !linux-headers |
| 17:16.06 | AmberJ | !kernel |
| 17:16.08 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100716, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-rc5-git2, mainline 2.6: 2.6.35-rc5, stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.1 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.6 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.16 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.14 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.48 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
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| 17:16.29 | mi||ipede | lindi-: reason i want to possibly modify xorg.conf, is sluggish video/rendering response, abysmally slow video playback (looks like 5 fps sometimes though not always), etc. |
| 17:16.36 | mms_ | raphi_: you with me ? |
| 17:16.50 | mi||ipede | This machien is not blndingly fast but isn't a 386 either |
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| 17:19.20 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:19.54 | gnoob | Hi guys, Im installing debain now, and want to ask for some partition guidance. 4xTb disks. partitioning them with identical partitions. |200mb ext3 boot primary |10Gb for system primary | huge raid5 primary |huge raid5 LVM logical | Does this look good?? |
| 17:20.04 | AmberJ | Anyone? |
| 17:20.20 | AmberJ | Aren't linux-headers-* supposed to be in repos? |
| 17:20.26 | gnoob | two of the 200Mb disks will be /boot and be in raid1 |
| 17:20.42 | jhutchins_lt | gnoob: You don't need 10G for the system. |
| 17:20.51 | _hexguy | AmberJ: they are, what version are you looking for? |
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| 17:21.25 | gnoob | yeah its overkill.. but but Ive got 4Tb to use.. :p |
| 17:21.59 | AmberJ | _hexguy: linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 |
| 17:22.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions linux-headers |
| 17:22.46 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-headers' was found. |
| 17:22.51 | _hexguy | AmberJ: 2.6.32-5-686 is there |
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| 17:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 |
| 17:23.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686' was found. |
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| 17:23.22 | _hexguy | ,versions linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:23.23 | judd | linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 -- squeeze: 2.6.32-15; sid: 2.6.32-17 |
| 17:24.01 | _hexguy | AmberJ: apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 17:24.36 | fxiny | gnoob: 1200 boot is too large , ext3 makes no sense for boot . ext2 will do . look into lvm2 |
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| 17:26.43 | jhutchins_lt | AmberJ: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-headers-2.6-486 |
| 17:26.57 | gnoob | ok thanks fxiny lvm2 on last partition and not lvm? |
| 17:27.22 | fxiny | lvm2 is lvm |
| 17:27.29 | jhutchins_lt | lvm is evil |
| 17:27.36 | gnoob | :p |
| 17:28.02 | gnoob | im a bit afraid of lvm too hehe but ill try it out :) |
| 17:29.06 | fxiny | you afraid of lvm2 ? i can't stand fsck on a > 10 GB partition |
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| 17:29.21 | HackeMate | hello, my samba server sttoped to work, when i try /etc/init.d/samba restart i get this message (every times i try) Stopping Samba daemons: nmbd smbdstart-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 7491: No such process |
| 17:29.32 | HackeMate | seems that nmbd and smbd start, but doesn't |
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| 17:29.57 | AmberJ | _hexguy: jhutchins_lt ty :) I was just a bit confused. |
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| 17:30.02 | fxiny | gnoob: multipartitioning is a headeache , lvm can help while you make your mind up |
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| 17:31.55 | gnoob | ok i see:) when i want raid1 on boot, i partiton the disks, but choose only one to mount to /boot, and then fix raid1 after system is up and running with mdadm right? |
| 17:32.09 | gnoob | cant fix that from installer i guyess? |
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| 17:39.24 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: First do a manual stop, then try start. If that doesn't work, find and remove the PID/Lockfile |
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| 17:41.29 | HackeMate | where the lockfile should be? /var/lock its empty |
| 17:42.04 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: I'd look in the conf files, it's probably specified there. |
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| 17:42.50 | tharkun | Gentlemen i am replacing apt-cacher with apt-cacher-ng but it seems apt-cacher-ng only binds to ipv6 addresses and not ipv4 ones |
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| 17:43.12 | somismodo | anyway to install firefox-4.0 indebian ? |
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| 17:44.54 | jelly-hme | tharkun: are you sure it's not binding to both |
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| 17:45.10 | HackeMate | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.14 | jelly-hme | !bind6only |
| 17:45.17 | jelly-hme | !bindv6only |
| 17:45.18 | HackeMate | is that critical? |
| 17:45.18 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. This issue is not present on Lenny. |
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| 17:45.53 | jelly-hme | tharkun: you might be experiencing a result of changes related to that tunable |
| 17:46.23 | tharkun | jelly-hme: i am running this box in lenny |
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| 17:47.27 | mms_ | raphi_: you not in separate tab... |
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| 17:50.42 | tharkun | jelly-hme: if netbase version is 4.34 does it still have that problem or how can i fix it. |
| 17:51.00 | tharkun | is not familiar with bts |
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| 17:52.32 | babilen | tharkun: any progress with you wifi? |
| 17:52.43 | tharkun | babilen: no problems on this edge |
| 17:53.01 | babilen | ah, ENICK :) |
| 17:53.03 | babilen | sorry ... |
| 17:53.58 | tharkun | naa i just need to make apt-cacher-ng bind to ipv4 but i am having the usual i can't find this config file stuff :-) |
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| 17:55.18 | mi||ipede | BRB reboot |
| 17:56.52 | jelly-hme | tharkun: oh, nope, that's a post lenny issue |
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| 17:58.03 | tharkun | jelly-hme: any ideas? |
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| 18:03.45 | mi||ipede | hello |
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| 18:05.22 | gnoob | This is sda : |200mb ext2 /boot| 6Gb ext3 / | 300Gb raidfs| 694Gb lvm | The other disks look like this: |200mb ext2| 6gb raidfs| 300gb raid| 694 lvm| Do I need to configure raid during install and set md0 to mount as / -OR- Install first on normal partition and make a raid1 array afterwards? |
| 18:06.11 | gnoob | this will hopefulle be the first time I succseed in having a linux software raid as / :) |
| 18:07.49 | syn4pse | is there a simple way to install divx ? i wanna watch some streams cuz iḿ dying of boredness ;) |
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| 18:08.05 | gnoob | ffmpeg? |
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| 18:10.18 | babilen | syn4pse: You probably want to install a suitabe plugin for your browser ... There are mozilla-plugin-vlc and totem-mozilla (among others IRC) ... |
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| 18:10.30 | syn4pse | thc |
| 18:10.31 | zebradog | syn4pse, you wish |
| 18:10.32 | babilen | syn4pse: That should get you going |
| 18:11.22 | babilen | syn4pse: Sorry, not sure if you can download thc ... |
| 18:11.22 | tharkun | jelly-hme: followed th link and i did as told, but to no avail. thx |
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| 18:11.38 | zebradog | babilen, he wants divx. |
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| 18:12.12 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have apt-cacher-ng that it is not binding to the ipv4 of the machine. Can someone help me debug the isue. I really don't mind since i can install apt-cacher and i am all done |
| 18:12.19 | mi||ipede | HJmm runnign 2.6.32 now (had 2.6.26 before), it seems noticeably snappier |
| 18:12.27 | babilen | zebradog: The vlc and totem plugin will let him watch divx encoded movies within his browswer |
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| 18:15.49 | hno | where do I find information on how to create an apt repository? |
| 18:16.02 | gnoob | xfs or ext3 for a big raid5? samba share with a lot of activity.. need fast response time |
| 18:16.57 | hno | nevermind.. found google. |
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| 18:17.47 | mi||ipede | brb |
| 18:17.52 | zebradog | hno, dpkg-scanpackages < asimilar |
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| 18:18.30 | tharkun | How do i file a bug to a program? |
| 18:18.56 | zebradog | tharkun, don't file a bug if its reported |
| 18:19.03 | zebradog | tharkun, debian.org/doc |
| 18:19.13 | gnoob | tharkun probably on programs website? |
| 18:19.36 | tharkun | zebradog: thx I'll begin reviewing it |
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| 18:20.50 | zebradog | tharkun, i know way off the bat how to do it.. but there are more helpful guidelines from the doc site |
| 18:20.59 | craigevil | mozilla-mplayer in stable or gecko-mediaplayer in testing and sid, has the divx plugin |
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| 18:21.28 | Samuel-NotAFK | My system won't boot after editing the /etc/fstab. What's wrong with it? http://pastebin.com/7Ru35RCF |
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| 18:22.55 | tharkun | zebradog: Thx, I assume. It is best to read. Sometimes the hardest part is finding where to beging reading :-) |
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| 18:23.52 | slidesinger | Just got vlans working on my server and want to configure it to load at boot, which is about the only thing I can't find information on. Does anyone know how to do this? |
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| 18:24.35 | cahoot | Samuel-NotAFK: what edit? |
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| 18:25.29 | zebradog | tharkun, ok |
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| 18:25.32 | amantia | hi all |
| 18:25.32 | zebradog | !reportbug |
| 18:25.32 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 18:26.00 | Samuel-NotAFK | cahoot: Adding the botton two lines. |
| 18:26.21 | zebradog | !report-bugs |
| 18:26.21 | dpkg | [report-bugs] See "How to Report Bugs Effectively" at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html for better results. |
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| 18:26.43 | hno | Samuel-NotAFK: And what error do you get on boot? |
| 18:26.52 | cahoot | Samuel-NotAFK: looks like an erroneous linebreak |
| 18:27.09 | craigevil | smashie: run blkid as root and make sure the last two lines have the correct UUID |
| 18:27.23 | ikonia | Samuel-NotAFK: are you not using ubuntu ? |
| 18:28.05 | Samuel-NotAFK | hno: Nothing visible. |
| 18:28.06 | Samuel-NotAFK | ikonia: I am, but I'm banned from #ubuntu ATM |
| 18:28.07 | mi||ipede | Hmm this new kernel + radeon firmware is a great improvement :) |
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| 18:28.12 | Samuel-NotAFK | I think webchat is banned there. |
| 18:28.24 | ikonia | Samuel-NotAFK: so please don't get support for ubuntu in #debian |
| 18:28.30 | Samuel-NotAFK | ikonia: Is it just me or does Ubuntu corrupt swap every time it tries to mount it. |
| 18:28.38 | ikonia | Samuel-NotAFK: I'm not discussing ubuntu support in here |
| 18:28.52 | hno | never heard of any OS corrupting swap.. |
| 18:29.07 | hno | or of anyone mounting their swap partition. |
| 18:29.23 | ech0Asus | lol someone seems lost |
| 18:29.34 | ed0n0n | I mentioned a bug/problem with the use of non lenny/stable repos, and libk5crypto3 library. The whole system goes unstable because of stable uses the libkrb53 package instead, and are not compatible. Fix is: to [ apt-get purge libkrb53 ] and then [ apt-get install --reinstall libkrb53 ]. This link saved my life (or at least many hours): http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?31,46448 |
| 18:29.36 | ed0n0n | P.S. Don't mess with the stable beauty of Debian ;) |
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| 18:30.09 | craigevil | Samuel-NotAFK: run blkid as root and make sure the last two lines have the correct UUID |
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| 18:30.34 | hno | Samuel-NotAFK: The swap line does not look normal to me.. |
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| 18:31.01 | slidesinger | Perhaps this would be something for rc.local? |
| 18:31.11 | Samuel-NotAFK | hno: Same. |
| 18:31.35 | amantia | How can I auto-mount pendrives. I use text only debian |
| 18:32.08 | jhutchins_lt | amantia: You can mess with the hal rules to automatically mount them. |
| 18:32.17 | legba7 | amantia: i use pmount from the cmdline |
| 18:32.37 | amantia | pmount |
| 18:32.38 | jhutchins_lt | hal will generate events when they're plugged in, you write rules in xml that say what to do onplug. |
| 18:33.00 | amantia | need any fstab editing for pmount? |
| 18:33.09 | legba7 | amantia: usbmount, did what you want, but i did not like it |
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| 18:33.19 | yao_ziyuan | what exactly happens if i run gtk-update-icon-cache without any parameter? |
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| 18:33.59 | legba7 | amantia: no, pmount is like mount but for users without root rights |
| 18:34.26 | jhutchins_lt | amantia: etc/hal/fdi/policy/ |
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| 18:35.40 | tonytraductor | lenny up and running smoothly on my everex cloudbook! even wifi worked out of the box! DEBIAN RULES! |
| 18:36.34 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: yay. |
| 18:36.43 | dvs | wofi? wow |
| 18:36.45 | tonytraductor | Now I'm going to remove gnome and all the associated, unnecessary bloat (don't or can't use ekiga, evolution, nautilus burner, soundjuicer ripper (no CD drive!), etc.) and install xfce. I wish I had read before starting installation, because, apparently if I had booted with installer with desktop=xfce, I could have avoided this step |
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| 18:37.47 | amantia | tonytraductor I use 135x80 char framebuffer text only terminals |
| 18:37.54 | fxiny | tonytraductor: do you like some tiling window manager ? |
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| 18:38.12 | amantia | tonytraductor: links web browser and alpine mail |
| 18:38.23 | amantia | tonytraductor: and bashburn for burning cd-s |
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| 18:38.35 | tonytraductor | I do like ion3 and wmii, in fact (tiling wms) |
| 18:38.55 | fxiny | yes ? checkout xmonad |
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| 18:39.01 | tonytraductor | on my main box I'm using openbox (not lxde, just plain old openbox, no panels, etc.), but installed tile so I could tile windows sometimes. |
| 18:39.18 | tonytraductor | I used ion3 for about a year until whats-his-name defected to the dark side |
| 18:39.19 | icebrain | !awesome |
| 18:39.19 | dpkg | awesome is probably a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:39.22 | tonytraductor | wmii is really, really nice |
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| 18:39.26 | icebrain | awesome <3 |
| 18:39.38 | fxiny | tonytraductor: hahah , yes ! |
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| 18:40.06 | tharkun | tonytraductor: I use ion3 the developer is and will be a pain to deal with. The wm works fine for me. |
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| 18:40.50 | fxiny | nice , plenty of tiling wm users |
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| 18:41.12 | gnoob | physical disks shouldnt be added directly to a lvm group right? I need to "take'em for a raid" before lvmming them? Adding the mdX to the lvmgroup?? |
| 18:41.22 | amantia | damn I just figured out umask=0000 works for non root in fstab |
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| 18:43.31 | CrazyWoods | how to update the system default python? |
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| 18:44.28 | amantia | I hope you terminal users all know ocp (open cubic player) |
| 18:45.05 | amantia | plays music from sid to mp3 |
| 18:45.18 | tharkun | amantia: try mocp |
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| 18:46.02 | gnoob | ocp?? never tried it, but I love moc (mocp) and for server I love MPD :) Ill check out ocp soon too |
| 18:46.13 | kladizkov | i installed firefox in debian lenny.. but sound doesn't work in it.. any idea why? |
| 18:47.03 | amantia | gnoob: try it is has text peaks and stuff |
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| 18:47.48 | amantia | gnoob: it was developed to play mp3-s on a 486 or cyrix |
| 18:48.05 | gnoob | kladizkov you use alsa? sometimes everything is muted by default.. (happened to me once atleast... but fixable by installing alsamixer and unmuting things :)) but that if you use alsa... |
| 18:48.31 | mms_ | I have SSD. I have 3 partitions. 1,2 are debian and 3rd I want to setup winxp. can I change some how in bios the boot order such that partion 3 is first partition. I guess boot order related to drives and not partitions so I am thinking wrong.... |
| 18:48.33 | gnoob | amantia cool :) have to check this out :) |
| 18:48.56 | kladizkov | gnoob: sound works in rest of the application.. |
| 18:49.10 | CrazyWoods | what debian just support python2.5? |
| 18:49.13 | gnoob | ohh... hmm no idea then |
| 18:49.31 | tonytraductor | what if I remove this package "linux-image"? Seems to be taking up a lot of space.... |
| 18:49.33 | frostschutz | amantia: cubic player does mp3 nowadays? it used to be mod/sm3/tracker type stuff only |
| 18:49.34 | tonytraductor | JK |
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| 18:50.44 | amantia | what is this ion3 again? |
| 18:50.44 | fxiny | you mean opencubicplayer ? |
| 18:51.15 | fxiny | a clinical case |
| 18:51.21 | amantia | no ion3 and awesome |
| 18:51.56 | fxiny | xmonad is huge |
| 18:52.09 | fxiny | and addictive |
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| 18:53.59 | fxiny | awesome works out of the box , good for showing layouts but if you want something really special checkout xmonad |
| 18:54.13 | gnoob | opencubicplayer! CHecked some screenshots.. I want! installing it asap!! mocp is easy and functional,, but ocp looks nerdy and hawt :D |
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| 18:54.26 | amantia | gnoob apt-get install ocp |
| 18:55.26 | fxiny | no special haskell knowledge required . large example collection , pretty intuitive |
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| 18:56.53 | amantia | Ok, do you know any light window manager~? |
| 18:57.13 | amantia | just installed xorg it was 85 mb |
| 18:57.24 | amantia | I am close to run out of hdd |
| 18:57.54 | tonytraductor | I don't know why I didn't do this a long time ago. I bought the cloudbook off ebay, and it had ubuntu hardy on it. worked ok, but wifi was fickl |
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| 18:58.31 | tonytraductor | so I had just upgraded to xubuntu 9.10 with a premade usb key I also got on ebay (too lazy to figure out how to make my own), and it sucked, kept freezing and crap |
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| 18:58.51 | fxiny | if you like apps like opencubic go for a tiling wm |
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| 18:59.00 | tonytraductor | so, today I dusted off my balls, read how to make my own usb key and installed lenny on the little bugger, and it seems to be working perfectly, in fact, better than ever. |
| 18:59.26 | tonytraductor | every time I dust my balls off and try something like this that I haven't done before I a) end up with a better system, and b) learn something...I should do it more often |
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| 18:59.52 | square | is the Firefox in Squeeze supporting HTML5 Audio? |
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| 19:00.34 | babilen | square: i'm not entirely sure, but you can easily install the one from experimental which does (try it!) |
| 19:01.30 | fxiny | amantia: old box low resources ? |
| 19:02.15 | amantia | fxiny: yeah. |
| 19:02.27 | misterikkit | iwlist is showing me nearby wireless networks, but NetworkManager doesn't list any. Have I misconfigured something? |
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| 19:03.36 | fxiny | amantia: a tiling wm will make it flying again |
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| 19:04.25 | amantia | fxiny: I use byobu (aka screen) for 16 paralell tty screen in one tty |
| 19:04.27 | lcuk | likes tiling wm |
| 19:05.14 | aiyu | babilen: sorry... bad signal reception :( ... Thanks for ur tip... I am trying it |
| 19:05.55 | tonytraductor | wmii truly rocks, really. I had tried awesome and dwm but there were headaches getting java swing windows to draw correctly, which wmii didn't have, and my most used work application (OmegaT, translation software) uses java swing |
| 19:05.59 | babilen | aiyu: no problem - i just went to a place with flaky reception as well. |
| 19:06.14 | aiyu | babilen ;) |
| 19:06.28 | tharkun | aiyu: It some times happens on some dark spots on a room :-) |
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| 19:06.53 | legba7 | like stumpwm, tiling, no mouse |
| 19:06.53 | aiyu | tharkun: :-) |
| 19:06.55 | fxiny | amantia: yes ? so wmii and awesome are too easy for you , you want more ;) |
| 19:07.05 | sifu_ | hello |
| 19:07.11 | misterikkit | wow, nevermind |
| 19:07.26 | misterikkit | wifi is working, but this networkManager applet is apparently crap |
| 19:07.30 | babilen | tonytraductor: I really like wmii and find it to be superior to most other WMs as well, but it is not that well supported and basically only kris is working on it. (The rest of the suckless team is hacking on dwm). I found the python scripts to be good, but a bit buggy and dislike the others |
| 19:07.48 | fxiny | still they are pretty good to start with |
| 19:07.56 | babilen | misterikkit: try wicd |
| 19:08.11 | sifu_ | i got a problem |
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| 19:08.22 | aiyu | Babilen: in modprobe -r , how will i find the wireless device name, is it like modprobe -r iwl3945 |
| 19:08.55 | babilen | aiyu: yes, if the module for your card is iwl3945 - "lspci -knn" will tell you |
| 19:09.05 | fxiny | amantia: but xmonad full install a tons of packages |
| 19:09.11 | misterikkit | I guess this is a good time to ask for recommended alternatives to gnome. |
| 19:09.14 | aiyu | babilen : thanks |
| 19:09.23 | sifu_ | i want do encrypt a partition with cryptsetup. i used: cryptsetup luksFormat -v -y -s 256 -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 /dev/sda9 |
| 19:09.25 | babilen | aiyu: I just found this to be necessary once in a while ... it is definitely not "the way it should work" |
| 19:09.37 | sifu_ | but i get: Command failed: Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping. |
| 19:09.37 | sifu_ | Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/sda9 contains at least 258 sectors |
| 19:10.09 | sifu_ | modules for aes and sha256 are loaded |
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| 19:11.02 | babilen | misterikkit: That really depends on your needs and on the amount of time you want to spend tinkering with your computer :) Good alternatives to check are: KDE, XFCE, LXDE (desktop environments), fluxbox (stacking WM) and xmonad, wmii, awesome, i3 (tiling WMs) (all among others) |
| 19:11.41 | aiyu | babilen: my system always crashes with wifi whenever i get into a new hotspot :)......hehe |
| 19:12.00 | babilen | misterikkit: I personally prefer wmii and xmonad and like gnome3 |
| 19:12.00 | fxiny | sifu_: missing a bit : ... aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 luksFormat ... |
| 19:12.19 | fxiny | sifu_: cryptsetup -y -s 256 -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 luksFormat /dev/ice |
| 19:12.27 | zeev | Hi, can anybody, please, recommend a program that can be used to make internet access kids safe? |
| 19:12.30 | tonytraductor | the only full-blown DE I will use is XFCE |
| 19:12.35 | aiyu | Babilen, when i tried killall for wpa_cli and dhclient is gave no process killed |
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| 19:12.53 | tonytraductor | KDE and Gnome are, IMHO, now become bloated monstrosities. |
| 19:13.06 | sifu_ | fxiny: missing bit? |
| 19:13.11 | sifu_ | a* |
| 19:13.20 | tonytraductor | I'll be back |
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| 19:13.29 | dv- | hm. gnome isn't much bigger than xfce? |
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| 19:13.36 | babilen | aiyu: that is ok (these processes are sometimes lingering around even after wpasupplicant and the network came down and cause problems) |
| 19:13.51 | mi||ipede | I like Gnome but after having a LOT of trouble reecently, teh word "bloat" crosses my mind at times |
| 19:14.06 | thewanderer1 | zeev: visit opendns.com, this is better than any program |
| 19:14.14 | babilen | zeev: You mean things that prevent your kids from accessing certain websites/services? |
| 19:14.21 | zeev | yes |
| 19:14.21 | pipeline | bloat is the natural state of unix software |
| 19:14.22 | dv- | a basic gnome install isn't bloated |
| 19:14.30 | pipeline | there has never been a point at which a unix desktop didn't consume twice as much RAM as market leaders |
| 19:14.42 | pipeline | way back in 1990 starting a desktop environment on your UNIX system typically meant thrashing swap |
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| 19:15.03 | pipeline | if you were expecting your unix desktop to be lean and mean, you fucked up. Just enjoy the era of cheap ram and Free Software. |
| 19:15.09 | mi||ipede | dv-: I suppose not. But to do all the stuff it does it is a large and complex system |
| 19:15.28 | icebrain | pipeline: my machine uses way, way less ram than the market leaders' |
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| 19:15.56 | mi||ipede | pipeline: yeah I'd say Vista (for example) is far worse |
| 19:16.02 | lcuk | my machine hasnt even got half the ram the market leaders expect to have as a minimum ;) |
| 19:16.10 | mi||ipede | lcuk: agreed |
| 19:16.12 | icebrain | even Windows 7 is bad, although not as bad |
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| 19:16.35 | aiyu | babilen: what shud i do after modprobe iwl3945 |
| 19:16.39 | tharkun | I have machines runnins on 128 MB ram with Graphical environments and they are working pretty well |
| 19:16.52 | mi||ipede | Never saw Vista work well with <2 GB! (and I had to speed up sveral people's boxes). |
| 19:16.55 | dv- | i've tried both vista and 7 and can't tell the difference. i think the quoted improvements are just marketing bs |
| 19:17.06 | babilen | aiyu: "ifup wlan0" (or whatever your interface is called) |
| 19:17.07 | pipeline | a unix desktop with less than 2 GB is miserable |
| 19:17.09 | icebrain | dv-: the UI seems less FUBARed |
| 19:17.12 | mi||ipede | Well, maybe it didn't need all of 2 GB, but 1 GB wasn't enough |
| 19:17.20 | pipeline | I still have an old Sun box with 2x300 MHz and 2GB of RAM, perfectly usable after all these years. |
| 19:17.25 | babilen | aiyu: "tail -f /var/log/daemon.log" let's you monitor the progress |
| 19:17.27 | pipeline | Memory makes a difference. Memory, and SMP, heh. |
| 19:17.30 | dv- | icebrain: you can't switch to the classic start menu any more afair |
| 19:17.38 | icebrain | dv-: yeah, that's true |
| 19:18.00 | amantia | ugh, where can I add menu items to openbox or blackbox? |
| 19:18.06 | icebrain | pipeline: my machine is using less than 500MB, and 240MB of those is for Firefox |
| 19:18.14 | aiyu | babilen: i tried that , then i did iwconfig wlan0 , it showed details but my essid wasnt showing the one i set in interfaces |
| 19:18.17 | icebrain | I don't know why would you need 2GB |
| 19:18.32 | mi||ipede | dv-: Vista was an absolute dog on every machine I've seen it on, bar one laptop with 2GB RAm, on which it ran sweetly. |
| 19:18.36 | lcuk | for the html email editor with animation support of course |
| 19:18.43 | aiyu | Babilen: on ifup wlan0 it said already configured |
| 19:19.02 | mi||ipede | dv-: and that's after trunign of CPU-drainign frills |
| 19:19.03 | babilen | aiyu: "ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0" |
| 19:19.13 | mi||ipede | turning-off |
| 19:19.13 | lcuk | windows xp is quite lean :) |
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| 19:19.31 | mi||ipede | lcuk: Yeah, don't mind XP |
| 19:19.41 | babilen | aiyu: How did you configure wpasupplicant? there are different ways and you might have misconfigured it |
| 19:21.45 | mi||ipede | Or get irssi if you're on Linux or xchat. Or MIRC on windows |
| 19:21.51 | mi||ipede | sorry wrong window. |
| 19:22.04 | aiyu | babilen, i opened /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf in gedit and entered the output of wpa_passphrase myessid mywpa-pskkey |
| 19:22.32 | valbaca | @amantia: ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml |
| 19:23.04 | fxiny | mirc ? isn't irssi avaiable for windoze ? |
| 19:23.24 | babilen | aiyu: only that? |
| 19:23.25 | valbaca | amantia: also lookup obmenu |
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| 19:23.54 | aiyu | babilen: yes... I think... did i miss anything?.. |
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| 19:25.04 | babilen | aiyu: What kind of network is it? WPA/WPA2 with pre-shared-key (PSK) ? |
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| 19:25.32 | aiyu | Babilen:Wpa |
| 19:25.51 | aiyu | Babilen: not sure, i think its wpa |
| 19:26.10 | aiyu | babilen: is it possible to find from my system |
| 19:26.19 | syn4pse | you have issues connecting to wifi ? |
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| 19:26.25 | aiyu | Yes |
| 19:26.34 | syn4pse | did you try a manager like wicd ? |
| 19:26.37 | syn4pse | apt-get install wicd |
| 19:26.37 | syn4pse | ;) |
| 19:26.48 | syn4pse | you can set the keys and it has a little gui |
| 19:27.14 | aiyu | i dont have internet on my pc now, i am on phone ..... |
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| 19:27.36 | syn4pse | hmm |
| 19:28.05 | aiyu | Also i trieed the network manager i have, when evr i configure in gui and close, i loose what i have stored , the next time i open it |
| 19:28.35 | aiyu | I mean the gnome network applet |
| 19:28.43 | babilen | aiyu: sorry - my connection is really bad now. Have you configured wpasupplicant in roaming mode? |
| 19:28.56 | syn4pse | can`t you download wicd with handy and copy over to computer with ssd :D ? |
| 19:29.23 | babilen | aiyu: You want to use wpasupplicant and not tools like wicd or network-manager, correct? |
| 19:29.38 | syn4pse | he cannot download stuff cuz not connected i think thats the issue ;) |
| 19:29.44 | aiyu | Babilen : i dont know, where can i find it |
| 19:29.56 | syn4pse | apt-get update && apt-get install wicd |
| 19:29.57 | aiyu | babilen :yess |
| 19:29.59 | syn4pse | into terminal |
| 19:30.14 | babilen | aiyu: OK, the issue is to get you online first and we can then figure out the best setup for you ... |
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| 19:30.16 | dcbevins | ceni works well,sometimes when other network managers fail |
| 19:30.16 | zebradog | aiyu, its probably called nmapplet |
| 19:30.34 | aiyu | Yeah, probably |
| 19:30.57 | aiyu | Babilen : yes thanks |
| 19:32.04 | babilen | aiyu: Have you configured wpasupplicant in roaming mode? (i.e. wpa-ram /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf (among others) in the iface wlan0 block in /etc/network/interfaces) ? |
| 19:32.28 | aiyu | babilen : no |
| 19:32.53 | babilen | aiyu: Or just tell me what you have done so far. The easiest way would be to ditch /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and configure your network directly within /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:34.08 | aiyu | Babilen: actually i have placed my .conf file in /etc not in /etc/wpa_supplicant..... Could that be the prob |
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| 19:34.12 | zebradog | aiyu, try aptitude search nm-applet |
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| 19:34.41 | babilen | aiyu: Instructions can be found within /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz -- see the first example in that file |
| 19:34.55 | babilen | aiyu: in the "2. Mode #1: Managed Mode" section |
| 19:35.00 | aiyu | Zebradog: it gives a v |
| 19:35.02 | mms_ | I have booted using livecd and want to install grub onto mbr. I dont see grub-install on path |
| 19:35.17 | babilen | zebradog: he is not online yet and therefore has no means to install software |
| 19:35.34 | babilen | aiyu: You are not online with that computer yet, correct? |
| 19:35.45 | craigevil | the network-manager applet can be found in either network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde |
| 19:35.45 | mms_ | does not livecd had grub already ? |
| 19:35.51 | babilen | better checks his assumptions :) |
| 19:35.55 | gnoob | aiyu had that problem my self a long time. Looks like the network manager makes it impossible to use iwconfig. I ended up being without these connection programs, using my own scripts instead, since I want to be able to use console only sometimes.. I did try wicd but wasnt completely happy either |
| 19:36.13 | legba7 | mms_: /usr/sbin/grub-install |
| 19:36.40 | mms_ | legba7: not found... |
| 19:37.09 | aiyu | Babilen:yes |
| 19:37.34 | sam113101 | how do I use another screen resolution |
| 19:37.38 | sam113101 | in X.Org |
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| 19:38.00 | patrickk | two questions: how can i get the latest version of mencoder; how do i choose which repo to get a package from in my sources.list |
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| 19:38.22 | babilen | aiyu: Ok, have you adapted the "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" block in your /etc/network/interfaces to contain the wpa-ssid and wpa-psk directives as exemplified in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz ? |
| 19:38.38 | craigevil | for wireless i would download iw from the debian repos then grab ceni from http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/sidux.com/sidux/debian/pool/main/c/ceni/ |
| 19:39.15 | legba7 | patrickk: i use http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:39.19 | babilen | ,versions mencoder |
| 19:39.21 | judd | mencoder -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100603-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100603-0.0 |
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| 19:39.53 | babilen | patrickk: Which version of Debian are you tracking? |
| 19:39.58 | aiyu | babilen:yes |
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| 19:40.24 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, try xrandr - you can set any of the supported resolutions with it |
| 19:40.31 | patrickk | babilen: wut hows that gonna answer my questions :( |
| 19:40.44 | babilen | aiyu: Great - please issue the following command "ifdown wlan0" "ifup wlan0" and follow the connection with "tail -f /var/log/daemon.log" |
| 19:41.13 | babilen | patrickk: It would affect my answer |
| 19:41.43 | patrickk | it depends on what tracking means |
| 19:41.44 | babilen | patrickk: Do you want to install the latest stable release of mencoder or a VCS snapshot? |
| 19:41.52 | sam113101 | thewanderer1 > I can't, it doesn't work |
| 19:41.57 | babilen | patrickk: Are you using lenny, squeeze or sid? |
| 19:41.57 | patrickk | latest stable release |
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| 19:42.40 | patrickk | actually im on mint 9 lucid, but its still debian based so i thought u guise could help, since no other channel will :( |
| 19:42.58 | babilen | patrickk: Ok - the version for lenny available from debian-multimedia is 1.0.rc2svn20080706-0, but there is a newer one for sid. You might try to backport it .... |
| 19:43.07 | babilen | patrickk: ask the mint guys |
| 19:43.26 | patrickk | babilen: <3 i'll try again |
| 19:43.43 | aiyu | babilen : i get no DHCPOFFERS RECIEVED, no working leases in persistant databases.... |
| 19:43.57 | pipeline | aiyu: means what it says |
| 19:44.09 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, xrandr allows you to access all of your driver's available resolutions - if it's not on the list, it might be hard to change your resolution beyond that... you could try the old fashioned way, though: search Google on x.org video modes along with examples |
| 19:44.26 | aiyu | pipeline: frankly, i dont know |
| 19:44.50 | pipeline | aiyu: you didn't receive any DHCP responses. Either you're not on the network, or there's just no dhcp server out there listening to you |
| 19:44.57 | pipeline | aiyu: you're shouting into the dark and not getting anything back |
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| 19:45.17 | babilen | aiyu: Please try "ifdown wlan0 ; modprobe -r iwl3945 ; killall dhclient wpa_supplicant wpa_cli ; modprobe iwl3945 ; ifup wlan0" to make sure we start from a clean state |
| 19:46.01 | aiyu | pipeline: but the networking icon in my gnome menu tray shows that my network has a signal strength of 57% |
| 19:46.14 | babilen | aiyu: As i said - this shouldn't be necessary, but i sometimes found restarting the whole network infrastructure to magically help with these issues |
| 19:46.27 | babilen | aiyu: You are still using network-manager????? |
| 19:46.37 | aiyu | no |
| 19:46.43 | sam113101 | thewanderer1 > x.org (website) tells me I can't change screen resolution because I'm using the vesa driver |
| 19:46.57 | aiyu | I am not using any gui-based managers |
| 19:47.00 | babilen | aiyu: Well, which icon is it? nm-applet or some generic gnome applet? |
| 19:47.10 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, that must be correct, then. with VESA, you're not getting anywhere. |
| 19:47.30 | babilen | aiyu: I am just asking because n-m and wpa_supplicant do not work well together |
| 19:48.05 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: try to set a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces instead of DHCP and see if you can ping a router/access point/anything |
| 19:48.12 | pipeline | babilen, aiyu : network-manager doesn't work well with anything. It sure sounds like you have an n-m problem, not a network problem. You're going to have to learn to do this by hand (iwconfig, ifconfig, wpa_supplicant, dhclient) and backtrack to see whether n-m works afterwords. |
| 19:48.16 | aiyu | babilen, i am not sure it is on the tray and it shows not connected.... |
| 19:48.22 | sam113101 | how can I use another driver ? could you help me with that ? |
| 19:48.27 | aiyu | Babilen: i am on gnome |
| 19:48.48 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: you are probably using network-manager, turn it off: /etc/init.d/network-manager stop (as root!) |
| 19:49.04 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, what graphics card are you using? |
| 19:49.07 | mms_ | I am unable to chroot to mounted linux partition which was my root |
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| 19:49.20 | mms_ | I am trying to install grub back using livecd |
| 19:49.20 | thewanderer1 | mms_: what is your error message? |
| 19:49.33 | mms_ | thewanderer1: /bin/bash not found |
| 19:49.43 | babilen | aiyu: Ok -- could you issue the following command: "service network-manager stop" - What kind of output do you receive from that? |
| 19:49.50 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, how do I know ? |
| 19:49.50 | thewanderer1 | mms_: do you have /bin/bash there? |
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| 19:49.58 | aiyu | babilen, i am not sure it is on the tray and it shows not connected.... Babilen: it says no such file or directory |
| 19:49.59 | babilen | aiyu: (you have to run that as root) |
| 19:50.18 | mms_ | thewanderer1: no...in that area I see just config grub initrd and vmlinuz images |
| 19:50.19 | babilen | aiyu: When you click on the icon, do you get a list of networks? |
| 19:50.40 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, your PC documentation might know this, or just use `lspci` and look for VGA or graphics |
| 19:50.41 | aiyu | Babilen: no |
| 19:50.53 | _hexguy | hi, i would like to download deb packages to a folder for a future debian installation that will have no access to the internet, i tried aptitude download but it wont download the dependencies. Any idea on how to do this? |
| 19:50.57 | babilen | aiyu: ok, then it is not the nm-applet ;) |
| 19:51.04 | sam113101 | in what packet is lspci |
| 19:51.17 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I am surprised...I would have expected / file system there...but dont see it |
| 19:51.18 | thewanderer1 | mms_, you are looking at the boot partition. you won't find your root there, it's just /boot... wrong partition! |
| 19:51.19 | sam113101 | something -utils |
| 19:51.20 | babilen | aiyu: Have you tried the long "restart everything network related" command i gave you earlier? |
| 19:51.23 | sam113101 | don't remember |
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| 19:51.31 | mms_ | thewanderer1: then which one is root ? |
| 19:51.31 | aiyu | babilen: ok, i got it its the network monitor ;) |
| 19:51.34 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, pciutils |
| 19:51.45 | aiyu | Babilen:no |
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| 19:51.55 | thewanderer1 | mms_, you have to figure that out, I'm afraid... just mount them one by one and see |
| 19:52.03 | aiyu | babilen: u mena the killall.... |
| 19:52.05 | mms_ | ok |
| 19:52.32 | babilen | aiyu: well, it is worth a try. |
| 19:52.33 | babilen | yep |
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| 19:53.39 | mms_ | thewanderer1: the hda2 is showing as lvm |
| 19:53.54 | sam113101 | ATI Technologies Inc Device 9498 |
| 19:54.03 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, look at `/sbin/ifconfig` output and check the RX and TX count, they should be non-zero, if RX is zero you are basically screwed without firmware |
| 19:54.04 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I guess I need to activate lvm support first |
| 19:54.12 | thewanderer1 | mms_, true |
| 19:54.23 | mms_ | thewanderer1: what package ? lv ? |
| 19:54.37 | thewanderer1 | lvm2 |
| 19:54.50 | mms_ | ok |
| 19:54.52 | mms_ | getting it |
| 19:55.09 | babilen | aiyu: Could you run "dmesg|tail -n 23" after that command and check if there are complains about missing firmware? |
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| 19:55.40 | mms_ | thewanderer1: now what ? |
| 19:55.53 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, ATI Technologies Inc Device 9498 |
| 19:55.55 | babilen | aiyu: You need the "firmware-iwlwifi" package to be installed (check that with "aptitude show firmware-iwlwifi") |
| 19:56.00 | mms_ | thewanderer1: lvm2 is installed...need to activate it ? |
| 19:56.18 | thewanderer1 | mms_, yes, but how to do that, I remember not |
| 19:56.30 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, you could try the ati driver for X.org |
| 19:56.41 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, do you have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed? |
| 19:56.50 | sam113101 | don't think so |
| 19:57.31 | aiyu | babilen: its der |
| 19:57.40 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, install this package |
| 19:57.56 | babilen | aiyu: its der? |
| 19:57.56 | aiyu | babilen i also did the killall thing with wpa and dhclient |
| 19:58.04 | aiyu | Babilen: firmware |
| 19:58.16 | aiyu | iwlwifi |
| 19:58.35 | sam113101 | well I think It was already installed |
| 19:58.44 | sam113101 | but I didn't do it manually |
| 19:58.46 | thewanderer1 | mms_, try this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/LVM-HOWTO/#lvm2_boot |
| 19:58.54 | babilen | you mean the firmware is installed? |
| 19:58.57 | mms_ | ok |
| 19:59.03 | aiyu | yes, babilen |
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| 19:59.36 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, what do you have in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? post it to pastebin |
| 19:59.50 | babilen | aiyu: good - I assume that the long command did not change anything and you still get "no dhcp offers received" in daemon.log? |
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| 20:00.30 | aiyu | Babilen,yes unfortunately :( |
| 20:00.48 | sam113101 | hey, I do have xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg in my repots |
| 20:00.59 | sam113101 | is that package ? |
| 20:01.21 | babilen | aiyu: please check the output of "ifconfig wlan0" is RX bytes and TX bytes not 0? |
| 20:02.05 | aiyu | Babilen,they are 0 |
| 20:02.06 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, http://yourpaste.net/5772 |
| 20:02.11 | babilen | aiyu: and do you see a working association to your access point in the output of "iwconfig wlan0" ? (it would mention your SSID) |
| 20:02.29 | aiyu | Babilen : it says no association |
| 20:02.36 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: do you have a WiFi LED on your laptop? is it on? |
| 20:02.47 | aiyu | Yes, its lit |
| 20:03.13 | aiyu | I got my wifi connected to a hotspot 3 days ago |
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| 20:03.31 | babilen | aiyu: Ok, seems like you are not sending any packages. if you run "modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg|tail -n 10" do you see any errors/warnings? |
| 20:03.32 | sam113101 | may the package name be xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg instead ? |
| 20:03.38 | aiyu | then i just changed my essid id and pass, and then it faild |
| 20:04.00 | babilen | where did you change it? |
| 20:04.17 | cahoot | aiyu: can you try change your routers wpa key to something really simple and send that as cleartext in wpa-supplicant.conf? |
| 20:04.18 | aiyu | Babilen: in interfaces and wpa_supplicant |
| 20:04.45 | aiyu | Cahoot: hiiiii, no i cant , i dont have access to it |
| 20:04.48 | babilen | aiyu: to a different network? did you also change your password/ssid on the router? |
| 20:05.11 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, see http://yourpaste.net/5779/ for a version with driver set |
| 20:05.19 | cahoot | aiyu: can you sende the present pw as cleartext then? |
| 20:05.22 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I have managed to chroot into vg |
| 20:05.46 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I am on grub prompt....but root (hd0,0) says selected disk does not exist... |
| 20:06.10 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, and before restarting your X server, make sure xserver-xorg-video-ati is really installed, as I type |
| 20:06.11 | babilen | aiyu: cahoot means to set the "wpa-psk ....." line in your /etc/network/interfaces to one that uses the cleartext passphrase |
| 20:06.39 | babilen | aiyu: But are you getting any errors in dmesg when you reload the module (see above) just to make sure ... |
| 20:06.40 | cahoot | like psk="my secret phrase" |
| 20:06.53 | mms_ | I think the lvm stuff is messing up grub install |
| 20:07.15 | thewanderer1 | mms_, what are you actually doing now? |
| 20:07.57 | aiyu | babilen: i dont get any error but this, ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0 link not ready |
| 20:08.11 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I mounted the volume....the chroot into it. I see the usual file system...boot is empty though...I think I should unmount boot and remount it under chrooted boot area |
| 20:08.53 | babilen | aiyu: that is OK --- does it work with a cleartext passphrase? |
| 20:09.00 | mms_ | thewanderer1: fdisk -l did not show me any thing though under chroot. |
| 20:09.18 | thewanderer1 | mms_, yes, to get the filesystem in the state you left it... also look in /etc/fstab for hints where your partitions are |
| 20:09.30 | aiyu | babilen: u mean i have to set wpa-pass mypassincleartext |
| 20:09.34 | babilen | aiyu: set it to use a cleartext passphrase and run "ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0" and watch the "tail -f ..../daemon.log" output |
| 20:09.44 | babilen | aiyu: exactly |
| 20:10.03 | aiyu | Babilen . Its already in clear text |
| 20:10.15 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, may the package name be xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg instead ? |
| 20:10.27 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I see the fstab...but after chroot...doing mount -a will it work ? |
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| 20:11.06 | babilen | *sigh* .... there is not much left i can think of .... are you sure the passphrase is correct? |
| 20:11.15 | thewanderer1 | mms_, if you have functional /dev inside... you can bindmount /dev from the host system |
| 20:11.36 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, you should have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed, too |
| 20:11.41 | mms_ | thewanderer1: not sure what you mean...can you give command... |
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| 20:12.26 | aiyu | babilen...... Yes, but 2 doubts, the passphrase was in cleartext right from the beginning is it corrct? My wpa_supplicant.conf is in /etc and not /etc/wpa_supplicant |
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| 20:12.35 | thewanderer1 | mms_, execute it outside the chroot to get /dev inside the chroot: `mount -o bind -t none /dev /CHROOT/dev` |
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| 20:13.18 | mms_ | thewanderer1: you mean first I exit chroot using exit command ? |
| 20:13.25 | thewanderer1 | mms_, yes |
| 20:13.57 | mms_ | thewanderer1: and replace CHROOT with /media/disk1 ? |
| 20:14.03 | cahoot | like psk="my secret phrase" in wpa-supplcant.conf? aiyu |
| 20:14.08 | thewanderer1 | mms_, yes |
| 20:14.09 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, it says ne devices detected, no screens found then giving up |
| 20:14.13 | mms_ | thewanderer1: ok let me try |
| 20:14.16 | sam113101 | no* |
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| 20:14.41 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, what graphics card is this? |
| 20:15.04 | mms_ | thewanderer1: done that...now mount the vg at CHROOT ? |
| 20:15.04 | sam113101 | it's a readonhd I think |
| 20:15.15 | sam113101 | radeonhd |
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| 20:15.43 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd and set your Driver to radeonhd |
| 20:15.45 | aiyu | cahoot: no, in wpa_supplicant i have the encrypted one and in interfaces i have the cleartext one |
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| 20:16.02 | thewanderer1 | mms_, wait, you didn't umount that, did you? |
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| 20:16.36 | aiyu | cahoot: no, in wpa_supplicant i have the encrypted one and in interfaces i have the cleartext one |
| 20:16.39 | cahoot | aiyu: change in wpa-supplicant.conf and run wpa-supplicant from commandline |
| 20:17.20 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, t |
| 20:17.29 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, same thing happens |
| 20:18.09 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, try `X -configure` as root (in some safe directory like /root) and check the output config file |
| 20:18.14 | mms_ | thewanderer1: no |
| 20:18.36 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I did not unmount vg... |
| 20:18.56 | thewanderer1 | mms_, okay, you now have /dev in the chroot, so you can go in and mount -a |
| 20:18.59 | mms_ | thewanderer1: so no need to mount..just chroot ? |
| 20:19.13 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I first need to chroot ? |
| 20:19.18 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 20:19.20 | mms_ | ok |
| 20:19.47 | mms_ | yes I see things now |
| 20:20.09 | aiyu | Cahoot: u mean wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:20.35 | mms_ | thewanderer1: now I can do grub-install infact |
| 20:20.49 | thewanderer1 | mss_, good they are not dead people. glad you can repair your setup |
| 20:21.06 | cahoot | aiyu: probably want a -Dext too |
| 20:21.16 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, the new conf file uses the vesa driver, and it still doesn't work |
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| 20:21.47 | mms_ | ok done installing |
| 20:21.50 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, what is your PCI ID of the graphics card? (the numbers in front of the line when doing lspci) |
| 20:23.38 | aiyu | cahoot it says unsupported driver ext |
| 20:23.55 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, 01:00.0 |
| 20:23.58 | aiyu | Cahoot: my bad |
| 20:24.25 | aiyu | Cahoot: it outputs CTRL-EVENT-SCANS-RESULTS |
| 20:25.05 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I actually installed xp on 3rd partition ....I dont think it had finished the install....I guess it was doing some config and rebooting....it gives a blue screen death... |
| 20:25.20 | cahoot | aiyu: so if you open another terminal and run dhclient wlan0? |
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| 20:25.52 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, sorry, I can't possibly find any information on your graphics card... you could try following a howto for fglrx, search the Debian Wiki or Debian Forums (forums.debian.net) for that, I'm unable to guide you there |
| 20:26.25 | thewanderer1 | mms_, I don't know how this is related to your Debian |
| 20:26.55 | mms_ | thewanderer1: sure not but guess people installed xp along with debian so might know |
| 20:27.01 | aiyu | cAHOOT: DHCPDISCOVER ON WLAN0 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
| 20:27.07 | aiyu | It goes on |
| 20:27.50 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, check the TX and RX counters once in a while for your wireless interface (wlan0?) so you'll know when it starts running |
| 20:29.42 | aiyu | cahoot, when i iwconfig wlan0 the essid doesnt show my ssid |
| 20:29.46 | aiyu | Its blank |
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| 20:30.35 | cahoot | so am I |
| 20:30.53 | aiyu | hehe lol |
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| 20:31.34 | aiyu | Does this always happen, is setting up wifi pain in a++ withh debian |
| 20:31.53 | cahoot | not with iwl3945 |
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| 20:33.02 | aiyu | hmmmm.... Unlucky me :( |
| 20:33.24 | aiyu | I am pretty sure i made some stuuuuuupid small mistake some where. |
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| 20:33.38 | aiyu | Does file permission account for any error |
| 20:34.08 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, upload your /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to pastebin, blanking out the ESSID and WPA key |
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| 20:34.45 | cahoot | he's got no net |
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| 20:35.21 | aiyu | yeahhh no net :( |
| 20:35.51 | aiyu | Cahoot: what abt "' |
| 20:36.02 | aiyu | I means chords |
| 20:36.03 | cahoot | ? |
| 20:36.12 | babilen | aiyu: took a little longer .. |
| 20:36.16 | aiyu | Shud it be around essid |
| 20:36.22 | aiyu | Heheh |
| 20:36.48 | sweetpi | they cant be /that/ long, just type them in the pastebin. or put them on a thumbdrive |
| 20:36.50 | mms_ | blue screen says to prevent damage....check if you added new disks....run chkdisk.... |
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| 20:37.32 | thewanderer1 | mms_, sure... why not check disk? |
| 20:37.43 | cahoot | aiyu: see the example file in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples |
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| 20:37.50 | mms_ | thewanderer1: how ? it gives blue screen already... |
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| 20:38.37 | thewanderer1 | mms_, then Windows is giving you the finger, you might try to repair it with safe mode or so |
| 20:38.41 | mms_ | thewanderer1: it shows initial splash of windows and then immediately blue scrren... |
| 20:39.20 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I dont see any safe mode etc...option.....actually I am not sure if the install is yet complete....windows setup process ended 100%..... |
| 20:39.31 | thewanderer1 | mms_, better join #windows and ask there how to hose it, or just re-install |
| 20:40.00 | thewanderer1 | mms_, to be honest, if you have hardware virtualization, just dump this and run it on VirtualBox or so |
| 20:41.12 | babilen | cahoot: trying the wpa_supplicant.conf approach and roaing? |
| 20:41.19 | babilen | *roaming |
| 20:41.30 | thewanderer1 | mms_, Vista on VirtualBox with AMD SVM and 1GB ram is more crisp than on hardware :P |
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| 20:41.48 | mms_ | thewanderer1: actually after installing xp it override the grub menu and was giving blue screen death any ways...I thought let me restore grub and see if it fixes it.... |
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| 20:42.13 | acidslep | hello here |
| 20:42.26 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I have debian...so then do I install virtual box on it....then how do I install xp ? I have to use pxe any ways... |
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| 20:42.47 | acidslep | I cant start my kernel. I belive it has trouble finding the harddrive because it is "Waiting for root filesystem..." |
| 20:42.51 | acidslep | until it times. |
| 20:42.58 | mms_ | ok time to go bed |
| 20:43.00 | mms_ | bye guys |
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| 20:43.03 | thewanderer1 | cya |
| 20:43.04 | acidslep | ive tried differend block devs, and trying sd instead of hd |
| 20:43.12 | acidslep | no luck. |
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| 20:43.17 | thewanderer1 | acidsleep, which kernel? custom one? |
| 20:43.30 | acidslep | yes, but i reconfigured to i386_default |
| 20:43.33 | acidslep | still fail |
| 20:43.49 | acidslep | do you know how to extract config from currently running kernel? |
| 20:43.57 | acidslep | ill use that, and trim it down once it works |
| 20:44.22 | thewanderer1 | acidsleep, if you are running Debian stock, just `make oldconfig` will set the options to Debian defaults |
| 20:44.54 | acidslep | ok |
| 20:44.59 | thewanderer1 | it's also in /boot/config* |
| 20:45.00 | acidslep | so make distclean and make oldconfig? |
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| 20:45.08 | thewanderer1 | acidsleep: yeah |
| 20:45.44 | thewanderer1 | acidsleep: you most probably to preserve the most that Debian has at first, and if you do, don't forget to call update-initramfs so that you can boot |
| 20:46.10 | acidslep | vanilla debian kernel hella bloat |
| 20:46.19 | acidslep | thats coo though |
| 20:46.54 | cahoot | aiyu: does iwlist scan show any ap's at all? |
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| 20:49.15 | acidslep | make distclean; make oldconfig. it seemd to read the old one but still asked me thousands of questions. |
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| 20:50.55 | aiyu | cahoot: iget this msg, either my wpa_supplicant file in var/run is unclean by an unexpected termination |
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| 20:51.50 | thewanderer1 | acidslep: that's what it should look like when compiling a new kernel but taking the config from an old one |
| 20:52.10 | simonrvn | that's what make oldconfig does |
| 20:53.04 | aiyu | Cahoot: iwlist wlan0 gives interface doesnt support scanning : network is down |
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| 20:58.54 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 20:59.04 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: iwlist scan |
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| 21:02.13 | aiyu | Thewandere1: yes it detects my network |
| 21:02.37 | acidslep | wanderer, i simply held enter to answer the default answers |
| 21:02.39 | mordocai | Hello, this may be more of a GNOME question... but I haven't encountered it before with other distributions, so here goes. In GNOME, I used to have to enter my root password to do things that require root privileges. Now, however, I just does them without asking. I'm wandering if I somehow accidentally told GNOME to do this? For example, it no longer asks when it is doing updates. Weirdly, things that have an "unlock" button still ask for my password. An |
| 21:02.39 | mordocai | y ideas? |
| 21:02.54 | thewanderer1 | acidslep, that's what I did yesterday :P |
| 21:03.38 | simonrvn | wondering* |
| 21:03.43 | aiyu | cahoot: i got my network listed on iwlist |
| 21:04.09 | mordocai | simonrvn: Yeah, thanks :) |
| 21:04.12 | simonrvn | probably something to do with polkit |
| 21:04.18 | cahoot | aiyu: what type of auth is listed? |
| 21:04.30 | aiyu | ?? |
| 21:04.43 | aiyu | Encryption key: on |
| 21:04.51 | simonrvn | store the password in the session and/or keyring, then use it. |
| 21:04.56 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, is it WPA or WEP? |
| 21:05.09 | cahoot | wpa/wpa2 ccmp? |
| 21:05.19 | aiyu | Its not shown here, but i think its wpa |
| 21:05.29 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, if there is no info about WPA at your network, it's WEP, which is bad |
| 21:05.33 | cahoot | not shown? |
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| 21:05.44 | aiyu | Yes |
| 21:05.54 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, migrate your network to WPA unless you want to share your data with everyone |
| 21:06.03 | aiyu | It only has encryption key:on |
| 21:06.24 | aiyu | But its not in my control, i dont have access to it |
| 21:06.26 | aiyu | :( |
| 21:06.40 | aiyu | What shud i use to get connected to wep |
| 21:06.59 | d1b | aiyu: don't |
| 21:07.03 | d1b | use wpa |
| 21:07.03 | cahoot | aiyu: see the example file in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wep.conf |
| 21:07.10 | aiyu | Ok |
| 21:07.42 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, still, talk to your network admin, bring some armageddon photos depicting WEP and its downfall and so on |
| 21:07.48 | karme | what was the name of that tool that replaces identical files with hard links? |
| 21:08.12 | cahoot | thewanderer1: he probably needs a netconnection to talk to the admin |
| 21:08.35 | thewanderer1 | it's a chicken-and-egg problem isn't it |
| 21:08.52 | moldovean | dermuhle, wb |
| 21:09.14 | dermuhle | g'day |
| 21:09.20 | mi||ipede | yea! |
| 21:09.35 | mi||ipede | excuse me |
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| 21:10.28 | aiyu | actually this a home network;) |
| 21:11.05 | aiyu | And nothing is shared, and i dont think my host would give me the router details :( |
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| 21:13.57 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, then go by the example for WEP in /usr/share/doc/wpa-supplicant |
| 21:14.09 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, I've had some success with the roaming mode, actually |
| 21:14.21 | aiyu | do i have to change in interfaces |
| 21:15.10 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, if it says so... if you implement it as roaming mode, then yes you have to. implementing this in roaming mode gives you +5 luck... |
| 21:15.11 | cahoot | aiyu: I'd first try commandline |
| 21:15.33 | aiyu | What is roaming mode? |
| 21:15.52 | thewanderer1 | see the docs for it in /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant |
| 21:16.03 | thewanderer1 | aiyu... well, doesn't Network-Manager work for you, after all? |
| 21:16.26 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, post the output of this command: groups (when logged in as your normal user) |
| 21:16.45 | aiyu | i couldnt actually find network manager |
| 21:16.55 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, you have it installed, right? |
| 21:17.22 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, if you have nm-applet in gnome then you have network-manager too |
| 21:17.23 | aiyu | Dont think so, i am a newbbie |
| 21:17.35 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: apt-cache policy network-manager |
| 21:18.15 | aiyu | installed |
| 21:18.18 | aiyu | Its der |
| 21:18.41 | aiyu | How to launch it |
| 21:19.25 | babilen | aiyu: sorry for the horrible experience so far ... are we talking about a laptop here? If yes, you might want to consider finding a wired connection somewhere and installing wicd or network-manager and use that. That might be much easier for you than hacking away on the command line. I still can't think of anything we haven't tried, although I have always used wpa-supplicant in roaming mode ... |
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| 21:19.44 | babilen | aiyu: You have network-manager installed ... might be the culprit after all |
| 21:19.50 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: first, remove the entry for wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces, remove it all the way so that not even `auto wlan0` is left |
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| 21:20.17 | aiyu | ok |
| 21:20.18 | thewanderer1 | babilen: I have n-m running with an Intel card so let's go this way |
| 21:20.47 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, then you do /etc/init.d/network-manager start (as root) |
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| 21:22.04 | babilen | thewanderer1: I asked about n-m before and had the impression it was not installed. Good luck with that, I guess that the (unvoluntary) combination of n-m and wpa-supp might be the culprit ... |
| 21:22.06 | aiyu | network manger no such file or directory |
| 21:22.21 | babilen | thewanderer1: hint: "service network-manager start" ;) |
| 21:22.31 | massmc_ | morning. |
| 21:22.40 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, do what babilen said |
| 21:22.57 | square | any command to see the duration of an MP3 or OGG file? |
| 21:22.59 | dermuhle | babilen: bash: service: command not found |
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| 21:23.22 | babilen | dermuhle: you have to execute said command as root |
| 21:23.25 | aiyu | yes, i got that too |
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| 21:23.35 | aiyu | I am root |
| 21:23.37 | rudi_s | square: ogginfo for OGG, not sure about mp3 (I don't use it often). |
| 21:23.56 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, have you typed this `/etc/init.d/network-manager start` precisely? |
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| 21:24.28 | aiyu | on that , i got no such file or directory |
| 21:25.00 | massmc_ | There used to be an Australian Debian chit chat.. what happened to that channel? |
| 21:25.05 | dermuhle | babilen: you also need to install non-standard packages. |
| 21:25.09 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, what do you get when you do `ls /etc/init.d/network*` ? |
| 21:25.28 | acidslep | I AM ROOT |
| 21:25.41 | dermuhle | massmc_: there's a #debian-au both here and on oftc but it's not very active. There's also #debian-offtopic. |
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| 21:25.59 | aiyu | Thewandere1:No such file or directory |
| 21:26.00 | acidslep | does anyone have a consise guide to the magic sysrq key? |
| 21:26.23 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: okay, you are typing this with the "quotes" or what? |
| 21:26.25 | massmc_ | cheers dermuhle , Just seen that now in the server list. :) |
| 21:26.37 | dermuhle | acidslep: wikipedia has quite a good article, iirc |
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| 21:26.45 | aiyu | thewandere1: i get networking |
| 21:27.04 | aiyu | I get /etc/init.d/networking |
| 21:27.32 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: dpkg --list network-manager |
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| 21:27.38 | thewanderer1 | what do the first two letters say? |
| 21:27.47 | zigovr | hi, I am trying to seek in the input with dd, the option "skip" reads the data it skips, but I want instead to seek into the input, to avoid reading uncessary data (beside, my disk is broken |
| 21:27.55 | zigovr | is there a way to do that ? |
| 21:29.13 | lindi- | zigovr: does not read here. |
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| 21:29.28 | aiyu | thewandere1: i dont know how to state what it gave |
| 21:29.45 | acidslep | dermuhle, yeah its pretty good! thanks |
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| 21:29.57 | dermuhle | acidslep: np |
| 21:29.57 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: on the last line of output, it starts with just two letters |
| 21:30.01 | aiyu | It has un : network-manager:none : no description available |
| 21:30.18 | thewanderer1 | okay... |
| 21:30.21 | aiyu | Thewandere: un |
| 21:30.29 | zigovr | lindi-, sorry ? I didn't understand your answer |
| 21:30.30 | lindi- | zigovr: $ echo -n 1234 > a; strace -o s dd bs=1 skip=3 if=a of=/dev/null 2> /dev/null; grep read\(0 s |
| 21:30.33 | lindi- | read(0, "4"..., 1) = 1 |
| 21:30.35 | lindi- | read(0, ""..., 1) = 0 |
| 21:30.36 | lindi- | zigovr: it does not read the data it skips. |
| 21:31.04 | zigovr | ah, that is strange |
| 21:31.56 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, so you don't have network-manager installed actually... I'll see what un means and write back |
| 21:32.57 | aiyu | thewanderer1: yeah, i seens uninstalled , un is either uninstalled or unknown ;) |
| 21:33.13 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, install that package: apt-get install network-manager |
| 21:33.29 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, if you have not cleaned your apt cache, it should be available locally without downloading |
| 21:33.59 | aiyu | How can i use it |
| 21:34.07 | thewanderer1 | have you installed it yet? |
| 21:34.24 | aiyu | Dont think so |
| 21:34.40 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, did apt-get install work, or return an error? |
| 21:34.56 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: msg? |
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| 21:35.25 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, and what exactly do you mean? |
| 21:35.35 | aiyu | thewanderer1: i worked untill it said failed to fetch........ |
| 21:35.45 | moldovean | aiyu, use a wired (cabled) network ? |
| 21:35.48 | aiyu | So many faild to detches :) |
| 21:35.57 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I was politely asking if I could message you to tell you that it's good practice to use aptitude when helping new users. |
| 21:36.00 | aiyu | No, no wire here |
| 21:36.11 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, okay, where have you installed from? do you have the install media? |
| 21:36.13 | moldovean | so no install |
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| 21:36.29 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, oh, ok... I hate it personally tho :P |
| 21:36.45 | aiyu | I installed from a usb, i dont have the usb but i gues i have the files |
| 21:37.09 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It makes it easier for new users to resolve dependencies. If they develop a preference later, it's up to them. |
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| 21:37.14 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, then you should obtain the network-manager deb |
| 21:37.29 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps we should get aptitude set up properly. |
| 21:37.37 | jhutchins_lt | aiyu: You do have a network connection? |
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| 21:37.54 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, he is currently networkically disabled besides his mobile phone |
| 21:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, fun. |
| 21:38.16 | jhutchins_lt | Makes dependency resolution moot. |
| 21:38.31 | aiyu | No |
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| 21:42.27 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, if you installed from a pendrive, you should have packages available in there |
| 21:42.45 | sweetpi | this is just a wep network? |
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| 21:43.08 | somismodo | anyway to install flashplugin in debian amd64 ? |
| 21:43.12 | aiyu | ok thanks thewanderer1 |
| 21:43.20 | aiyu | Yes |
| 21:43.51 | thewanderer1 | somismodo, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53691 |
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| 21:45.16 | sweetpi | then you should just have to set the essid and key with iwconfig, bring it up with ifconfig and run dhclient on it. as long as there is no mac filtering on the access point |
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| 21:49.14 | hackeron | hey, does anyone know a way to get 16 audio input channels into one PC? - I dont need a mixer or anything, basic phono/composite or 3.5mm microphone jack will do |
| 21:49.15 | sweetpi | aiyu: ^^ |
| 21:49.18 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi: this is not quite viable in this case |
| 21:49.44 | aiyu | what is lo |
| 21:49.54 | aiyu | Its running, local loop |
| 21:49.56 | aiyu | ? |
| 21:49.59 | sweetpi | thewanderer1: why? sorry i havent been paying attention. why would network manager solve something iwconfig cat? |
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| 21:50.05 | sweetpi | s/cat/cant/ |
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| 21:50.58 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, it's the loopback address (so-called localhost) |
| 21:51.10 | aiyu | ok :) |
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| 21:51.54 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi, a desktop user needs some automation and network-manager provides just that, without the need to write complex scripts... he can write a script but first he needs some sensible google access :P |
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| 21:52.35 | sweetpi | thewanderer1: yes, but if it was done manually he would have the "google access" |
| 21:52.57 | sweetpi | its not a complex script, its like 4 commands |
| 21:53.33 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi, then please write it here for him cause I don't know iwconfig's syntax |
| 21:54.10 | sweetpi | ill write in pastebin, sec |
| 21:54.34 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi, guy is operating on a mobile phone, remember |
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| 21:54.58 | aiyu | sweetpi: yeah pls post it here, o cant get on pastebin |
| 21:55.03 | sweetpi | ok ill flood then :) |
| 21:55.12 | aiyu | :) |
| 21:55.17 | sweetpi | ifdown wlan0 |
| 21:55.22 | sweetpi | ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 21:55.30 | sweetpi | iwconfig wlan0 essid youressid |
| 21:55.39 | sweetpi | iwconfig wlan0 key yourwepkey |
| 21:55.44 | sweetpi | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 21:55.51 | sweetpi | dhclient3 wlan0 |
| 21:55.55 | sweetpi | echo done |
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| 21:56.47 | sweetpi | if that doesnt work, then there is a problem with the card, or mac filtering is on.. or a hardware issue |
| 21:56.59 | sweetpi | *or its not wep :) |
| 21:57.05 | JhonBovi | hello all is there a way i can use 2 mice at the same time each with there own pointer? |
| 21:58.05 | thewanderer1 | JhonBovi, that would be multi-pointer feature in X, it's not functional yet in Linux in general |
| 21:58.26 | aiyu | sweetpi: thanks but it doesnt seem to solve the problem:(, maybe a mac filtering is on.... |
| 21:58.31 | gnoob | sweetpi... if networkmanager is install iwconfig doesnt work for some unknown reason.. essid does not show, and will not connect to accesspoint |
| 21:58.45 | JhonBovi | thewanderer1: is there somewhere i can get more info on this and maybe help? |
| 21:58.50 | sweetpi | gnoob: its not installed |
| 21:59.01 | gnoob | ok, should work then :) |
| 21:59.18 | gnoob | ehh add "ap any" |
| 21:59.19 | syn4pse | <JhonBovi> two mices at the same time ? what for ? |
| 21:59.30 | gnoob | that did it for me once I had some problems |
| 21:59.41 | thewanderer1 | JhonBovi, see this http://www.linlap.com/wiki/dell+latitude+xt - scroll down, see the comments on multitouch |
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| 21:59.51 | JhonBovi | syn4pse: i am working on a way to do multi seat hosting |
| 22:00.08 | JhonBovi | thewanderer1: thank you |
| 22:00.15 | syn4pse | then run some virtualised operating systems and give a vmware to each guest |
| 22:00.22 | syn4pse | or kvm or whatever you want to use |
| 22:00.34 | syn4pse | or use a seperated X session for each user |
| 22:00.36 | thewanderer1 | JhonBovi, if you want different mice with different X servers, then it shouldn't be this difficult |
| 22:00.38 | sweetpi | aiyu: if mac filtering is enabled and you cant connect to the ap to change it, maybe reset the ap to factory |
| 22:00.51 | gnoob | iwconfig wlan0 ap any (try that... could do the trick if your lucky :)) |
| 22:01.11 | JhonBovi | i am using xephyr to get the second login |
| 22:01.31 | syn4pse | <sweetpi> you could use airodump-ng to see the mac addresses accociated to the access point and use macchange --mac <newmac> to change ur mac address to one of the accociated ones |
| 22:01.42 | thewanderer1 | JhonBovi, then run the primary X server with a configured mouse, tell the secondary server to use a different mouse device... |
| 22:01.55 | syn4pse | yes best idea @ JohnBovi |
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| 22:02.14 | JhonBovi | thewanderer1: i am unsure of how to do that or what i would google to find out |
| 22:02.17 | aiyu | sweetpi: ok thankyou |
| 22:02.39 | JhonBovi | syn4pse: thanks |
| 22:02.48 | sweetpi | syn4pse: touche, i didnt realize he was using someone elses network :) |
| 22:03.09 | sweetpi | thats going to cause a bunch of problems though |
| 22:03.18 | abrotman | JhonBovi: you might want to ask #xorg |
| 22:03.39 | thewanderer1 | JhonBovi, check syntax for xorg.conf Input section, you may also want to consult xinput manpage |
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| 22:05.09 | JhonBovi | thewanderer1: abrotman i will look in to it thank you for the head start i will let all know how i get on |
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| 22:06.30 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, how do you connect to the network with your phone? |
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| 22:10.37 | aiyu | Its my wifi |
| 22:11.45 | aiyu | thewanderer: confirmed wep, it shows in my phone |
| 22:12.04 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, did you have to do anything special to get online with it, like give your MAC to your net admin? |
| 22:12.05 | sweetpi | aiyu: are you using the hex key or string? |
| 22:12.36 | aiyu | thewanderer1 : no |
| 22:12.52 | aiyu | Sweetpi: its a string just 10 chars |
| 22:12.58 | sweetpi | ah |
| 22:13.19 | sweetpi | do what i said, except for key do s:yourwepstring |
| 22:14.10 | aiyu | u mean iwconfig s mykey |
| 22:14.21 | sweetpi | iwconfig wlan0 key s:yourkey |
| 22:14.22 | aiyu | Iwconfig wlan s mykey |
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| 22:15.27 | aiyu | Sweetpi it says invalid argument |
| 22:16.15 | sweetpi | mm.. say your "string" is awesomepassword.. iwconfig wlan0 key s:awesomepassword |
| 22:17.01 | aiyu | Sweetpi: yes thats exactly what i did |
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| 22:17.31 | sweetpi | you did iwconfig not ifconfig, right? |
| 22:17.52 | aiyu | sweetpi:yes |
| 22:18.01 | abrotman | use a pastebin |
| 22:18.11 | syn4pse | http://stfu.pastebin.com |
| 22:18.11 | syn4pse | ;) |
| 22:18.12 | syn4pse | go |
| 22:18.32 | Martin_vW1 | Hi. I know I need to use a bigmem kernel for machines with >= 4 GB RAM, but out of curiosity... what happens when I use a bigmem kernel on a machine with less than 4 GB. Would that waste RAM space, and if yes, how much? |
| 22:18.36 | aiyu | Abrotman: i cant, i am on phone :( |
| 22:18.37 | abrotman | paste.debian.net works just fine |
| 22:18.46 | abrotman | aiyu: hang up and type .. darn kids |
| 22:18.53 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, first do `ifconfig wlan0 down` |
| 22:19.00 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, then go with that command |
| 22:19.33 | sweetpi | aiyu: hmm, you did all the other commands i posted before that? the ifdown, ifconfig etc? |
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| 22:20.39 | aiyu | Yes i did alll |
| 22:21.06 | aiyu | Why does it say invalid argument? |
| 22:21.42 | sweetpi | aiyu: maybe try iwconfig wlan0 key off, then try setting it again.. never seen that error. maybe convert your string to hex |
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| 22:22.45 | aiyu | how to convert my string to hex |
| 22:23.00 | sweetpi | aiyu: then it would be: iwconfig wlan0 key hexkey |
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| 22:24.10 | babilen | thinks that iwconfig wlan0 key is only applicable for WEP excrypted networks ... |
| 22:24.19 | babilen | aiyu: didn't it work out with network-manager? |
| 22:24.43 | aiyu | i think i dont have network manager |
| 22:24.43 | thewanderer1 | babilen, he uses WEP cause it's not his AP and he lacks network-manager |
| 22:24.48 | thewanderer1 | well, aiyu |
| 22:24.54 | thewanderer1 | let's get network-manager |
| 22:25.00 | thewanderer1 | you had it installed |
| 22:25.02 | aiyu | Hmmm howw |
| 22:25.16 | syn4pse | no cable @ home? |
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| 22:25.18 | orfix | Hi, according to this page http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Cables i need the ti_usb_3410_5052 driver in order to get my DKU-5 cable to work http://pastebin.org/402275, where can i find that driver ? thanks |
| 22:25.33 | aiyu | no |
| 22:25.45 | babilen | thewanderer1: Ok - I was under the impression that the network was WPA encrypted ... but I agree that using n-m is probably the easiest way to solve this |
| 22:26.02 | thewanderer1 | aiyu: `find /var/cache/apt/archives -name network-manager*` |
| 22:26.03 | sweetpi | aiyu: well there are online converters |
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| 22:26.18 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, does it list any files? |
| 22:26.23 | babilen | apologises for his intermittent network connection ... not the best for helping :- |
| 22:26.43 | syn4pse | `find /var/cache/apt/archives -name wicd` |
| 22:26.44 | tommyd | Hi all! I'm having a somewhat debian-unspecific question, but I thought you guys could give me some directions since Debian is known for its package masterfulness |
| 22:26.45 | syn4pse | that maybe? |
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| 22:27.02 | syn4pse | just shoot tommyd |
| 22:27.26 | tommyd | the issue / question I have is how upstream localized man pages should be handled properly for a package |
| 22:27.59 | tommyd | being upstream myself I tried to find hints in the autotools docs, but they only explained how to install man pages in general |
| 22:28.02 | aiyu | thewanderer1: no nothing |
| 22:28.20 | gnoob | aiyu with networkmanager installed there is no way I can connect to wireless from console at least... I need to remove network-manager + network-manager-gnome to be able to use iwconfig. :) But in case somebody wants to remove those, its a good idea do download the source packages first in case something goes wrong.. Then its easy to install them over again without having to connect to internet ;) |
| 22:28.21 | orfix | i just want the /dev/ttyUSB0 to show up when i plugin my cable. here is the ouput of tail -f /var/log/messages when i pluged it in. http://pastebin.org/402279 |
| 22:28.23 | sweetpi | you guys are obsessed with network-manager |
| 22:28.52 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi, yes but wep is obscure |
| 22:29.07 | moldovean | sweetpi, no, only thewanderer1 |
| 22:29.41 | tommyd | so I wonder if anybody knows a upstream package which uses autotools and comes with localized man pages, so I could have some reference... |
| 22:29.48 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, can you plug in the pendrive from which you installed? |
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| 22:29.55 | sweetpi | wep works fine with iwconfig... n-m wont solve anything |
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| 22:30.03 | babilen | I think that we should verify some of the assumptions first... and nobody is obsessed with network-mangler, but it and wicd are much easier tools for network configuration than plain wpa_supplicant |
| 22:30.22 | gnoob | sweetpi lol, I was struggeling with connecting to wireless before also.. until I understood that I had been doing it the correct way for weeks,, but the network-manager was the one messing up all from start... If somebody has connectionproblems.. uninstalling this, would be a good place to troubleshoot I think :) |
| 22:30.33 | tommyd | I don't know the policy nowadays in Debian if i18n-specific man pages should be included at all in the upstream package or if they're "hand-translated" for manpages-LANG anyways... |
| 22:30.41 | syslq | Is there any drawback with running debian stable and just compiling packages you need to be newer from source? |
| 22:30.59 | sweetpi | gnoob: i agree, n-m is the first thing i get rid of |
| 22:31.01 | thewanderer1 | syslq, no, if you can manage all the security updates on time |
| 22:31.09 | gnoob | yeah :) |
| 22:31.21 | babilen | aiyu: I would like to check what kind of network we are dealing with, so we don't configure your network for WEP if it is indeed WPA or vice versa |
| 22:31.27 | syn4pse | <tommyd> what do you mean when you say upstream? |
| 22:31.39 | thewanderer1 | babilen, we already checked that, it is WEP for sure |
| 22:31.55 | aiyu | Babilen: its wep... |
| 22:32.05 | babilen | thewanderer1: well, that explains a lot and especially why it was not working with WPA |
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| 22:32.07 | tommyd | well, I'm one of the developers of a software who is asking what the best way it is to supply i18n man pages |
| 22:32.17 | Smirnov | is there a way to tell apt to use a different mirror, the IP it keeps trying to route me is timing out |
| 22:32.18 | tommyd | @syn4pse |
| 22:32.38 | icebrain | Smirnov: edit sources.list |
| 22:32.54 | icebrain | !tell Smirnov abotu sources |
| 22:32.54 | moldovean | tommyd, /msg dpkg mentor |
| 22:32.58 | icebrain | !tell Smirnov about sources |
| 22:33.02 | Smirnov | its got the right url |
| 22:33.04 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, do you have the pendrive from which you installed this debian? |
| 22:33.04 | babilen | tommyd: It does not really matter for Debian - nroff is the most common format, but the packaging system works with sgml and docbook as well |
| 22:33.06 | Smirnov | i just want it to pick a different IP |
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| 22:33.18 | syslq | thewanderer1: since I'm thinking of gimp, open office and stuff like that it shouldnt be a problem then , thanks |
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| 22:33.26 | icebrain | Smirnov: a different IP for the same url? |
| 22:33.46 | syn4pse | tommyd sorry no idea ;) |
| 22:33.48 | thewanderer1 | syslq, you'd be surprised by the number of security problems with openoffice.org, better try backports |
| 22:33.59 | tommyd | 'k, thanks anways |
| 22:34.11 | sweetpi | aiyu: does your string have spaces? thats the only reason i can think of that would give an error on s:yourstring |
| 22:34.21 | syslq | thewanderer1: dumb question but would testing be better for desktop then? I'm trying to ditch ubuntu |
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| 22:34.29 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi: I know a lot other reasons |
| 22:34.32 | icebrain | Smirnov: if you want a different mirror, you have to choose a different url. Pick a close mirror in the list: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:34.57 | sweetpi | thewanderer1: then name them... invalid argument? |
| 22:35.00 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi: like non-cooperating command line, I'm currently looking at a thread in Polish describing the same behaviour |
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| 22:35.36 | icebrain | syslq: testing has more recent packages, but it's also a moving target |
| 22:35.48 | icebrain | syslq: you could try stable with backports |
| 22:35.53 | gnoob | :D need some help at installing Debian: Choose software to install: [ ] Standard System.. lol Do I uncheck or not for a standard server?? I dont want any X, or graphics. (not even colors :P) |
| 22:35.56 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi: http://forum.dug.net.pl/viewtopic.php?pid=37361 , you can google-translate that |
| 22:35.58 | syslq | icebrain: what do you use? |
| 22:36.05 | sweetpi | aiyu: wrap your key in quotes, iwconfig wlan0 key "s:yourstring" |
| 22:36.17 | icebrain | syslq: Unstable, but I had my system broken a couple of times |
| 22:36.25 | syslq | icebrain: ah :) |
| 22:36.32 | syslq | icebrain: stable for me then |
| 22:36.44 | babilen | tommyd: what else do you need to know? |
| 22:36.47 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, leave Standard system on, just uncheck Graphical environment |
| 22:37.01 | gnoob | ok:) |
| 22:37.12 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, or if you can manage that with apt, unmark that too :P |
| 22:37.33 | icebrain | syslq: hopefully Testing will be frozen in the short future and it turns into a safer choice |
| 22:37.47 | thewanderer1 | gnoob: that puts your system on a diet, but you might get scared away by the skeleton looks |
| 22:37.55 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 22:37.55 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 22:38.10 | tommyd | babilen: actually, the format is not the question - we're using standard man / groff |
| 22:38.48 | tommyd | babilen: the question is more wrt automake - installing a standard (english only) man page is straight-forward |
| 22:38.51 | gnoob | nice :P The ubuntu server-edition would be more or less a standard system? I dont want anything mor hightech than a stock ubuntu server-edition :) |
| 22:39.10 | tommyd | babilen: but I have yet to see a project which has translated man pages and wants to install them as well |
| 22:39.55 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, I don't know about ubuntu server other than that being more of a mess than Debian standard system |
| 22:40.01 | tommyd | I thought I should ask this question in #debian, and not in #linux or #autotools, because you guys are the packaging experts |
| 22:40.05 | abrotman | and it's offtopic here |
| 22:40.38 | gnoob | thewanderer1 ok then Ill go standard:) |
| 22:41.32 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, do you have the installation pendrive at hand? |
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| 22:42.01 | babilen | tommyd: Locale specific manpages are installed to /usr/share/man/{de,fr,...,zh} in Debian -- You might want to take a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html |
| 22:42.18 | syslq | icebrain: ah, it gets frozen and it's just candidate for new stable then?, did not know that |
| 22:42.47 | aiyu | Thewanderer : no, i dont have that, i was looking for the package all over my 320 gbs :) |
| 22:43.12 | icebrain | syslq: yap, when it's ready it's released as the new stable |
| 22:43.22 | square | how to convert .mp3 to .ogg? |
| 22:44.00 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, were you looking through the pendrive for network-manager? |
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| 22:44.21 | syslq | icebrain: aha, cool thanks |
| 22:44.23 | aiyu | no .... My harddrive :) |
| 22:44.31 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, ok, how did you install? |
| 22:44.34 | icebrain | square: ffmpeg can do that, afaik |
| 22:44.42 | icebrain | square: but you'll lose quality |
| 22:45.02 | icebrain | square: unless you have good reason, I wouldn't do it |
| 22:45.44 | thewanderer1 | icebrain: he wants to hear Stallman. you can hear him singing on the resulting ogg when you do that 256 times back and forth. |
| 22:46.23 | icebrain | thewanderer1: I think Stallman wouldn't allow an mp3 to soil his computer at all XD |
| 22:47.07 | thewanderer1 | icebrain, yeah, but his parts come from the ogg to mp3 conversion... the mp3 to ogg conversion just adds this growling choir in the background |
| 22:47.11 | square | icebrain: ffmpeg worked. couldn't notice any significant loss in quality |
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| 22:47.43 | aiyu | Thewandered1: i booted from my pendrive |
| 22:48.10 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, do you have a debian CD ISO there? |
| 22:48.17 | thewanderer1 | copied onto the pendrive |
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| 22:49.08 | znh | hello, |
| 22:49.11 | znh | does anyone know how to route google.com to etho:0? |
| 22:49.11 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, even fgrlx failed http://yourpaste.net/5780/ |
| 22:49.34 | abrotman | did you try asking #netfilter? |
| 22:49.37 | thewanderer1 | znh, routing per virtual interfaces is really tough. |
| 22:49.41 | abrotman | oh, a static route |
| 22:49.45 | aiyu | i couldnt actually find it, i probably formatted it with parttion as my windows showed its ultimate blue screen |
| 22:49.51 | abrotman | ignore the #netfilter thing |
| 22:49.58 | square | can I find out why 'mp3info' was installed on my system? i mean to satisfy which dependency? |
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| 22:50.03 | babilen | tommyd: You also find all sections within that directory, e.g. /usr/share/man/de/man1/acpi.1.gz would be the german translation of the "acpi" manpage in section 1 |
| 22:50.06 | thewanderer1 | znh, you should probably set a default source IP |
| 22:50.07 | abrotman | square: aptitude why foo |
| 22:50.20 | gnoob | OK debian installed. First time configuring my own debian server.. will certainly not be my last one.. Looks like this is something Im going to prefer instead of the ubuntu-server. Thanks for helping guys!! Raid, LVM work perfectly so far :D (but stadard installation doesnt got less command? cant live without that one) |
| 22:50.21 | square | abrotman: Unable to find a reason to install mp3info. |
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| 22:50.38 | abrotman | square: so you installed it manually? |
| 22:51.02 | square | abrotman: i mp3info - An MP3 technical info viewer and ID3 1.x tag editor |
| 22:51.06 | square | lowercase i is manual? |
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| 22:51.28 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, ok, any means of downloading a debian package and putting it on your system? |
| 22:51.45 | tommyd | babilen: thanks for the hints - after searching a little bit longer I finally found a reference of the underlying problem - its in automake's gnats database, PR/335 - and still unresolved since eight years :( |
| 22:51.47 | abrotman | square: there's no "A" which i think means Auto .. sounds like a manual thing |
| 22:51.57 | square | ok |
| 22:53.39 | babilen | tommyd: since eight years? well ... If you want to learn how to do this in debian you should also read the dh_installman manpage .. If you have further questions on Debian packaging you might want to join #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net as #debian is rather meant for end-user support |
| 22:54.07 | aiyu | Thewanderer1: not untill tomorrow , anyways thank you so much for your help |
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| 22:54.18 | tommyd | ok, thanks |
| 22:54.25 | thewanderer1 | sam 113101: the line about bad 8-bit mode suggests to me that you should write your own modes in xorg.conf |
| 22:54.51 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, too bad you deleted your installation media, for it did contain network-manager deb |
| 22:55.04 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, how do I do that |
| 22:55.52 | aiyu | Thewanderer1: how big is this networkKmanager deb |
| 22:56.30 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, some 120KB |
| 22:56.57 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, look for a manual for X.org on how to set resolution in xorg.conf, there should also be a section about depth |
| 22:57.03 | mi||ipede | cu later ppl |
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| 22:57.55 | thewanderer1 | oops, sorry, looked at the wrong package, network-manager is 360 KB |
| 22:58.07 | aiyu | K |
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| 22:59.01 | gnoob | debian server does not support my d-link wireless usb dongle..rt2x00usb,rt2x00lib |
| 22:59.22 | babilen | network-manager-gnome is the package aiyu is after |
| 22:59.42 | thewanderer1 | babilen, doesn't he have this installed? I though he did |
| 23:00.22 | thewanderer1 | oh, right, without network-manager it can not be installed... |
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| 23:01.08 | babilen | aiyu: If you run "aptitude search ~n^network-manager" which packages are listed with an "i" as the first letter (as opposed to say "p" or "c" ..) |
| 23:02.03 | babilen | ,conflicts network-manager-gnome |
| 23:02.04 | judd | network-manager-gnome -- conflicts: None. |
| 23:02.14 | babilen | ,info network-manager |
| 23:02.16 | judd | network-manager (net, optional): network management framework daemon. Version: 0.6.6-3; Size: 362.2k; Installed: 1492k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 23:02.28 | babilen | ,info network-manager-gnome |
| 23:02.31 | judd | network-manager-gnome (gnome, optional): network management framework (GNOME frontend). Version: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; Size: 323.6k; Installed: 1936k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/network-manager-gnome |
| 23:04.58 | babilen | ,depends network-manager-gnome |
| 23:04.59 | judd | network-manager-gnome -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 2.22.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.17.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libnm-util0, libnotify1 (>= 0.4.4), libnotify1-gtk2.10, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libx11-6, network-manager (>= |
| 23:05.01 | judd | 0.6.5). |
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| 23:06.26 | aguitel | how install firefox-4.0 in squeeze ? |
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| 23:08.03 | babilen | 4.0? isn't 3.6.6 the latest stable release? |
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| 23:08.35 | aguitel | babilen, stable yes but not the last |
| 23:08.45 | thewanderer1 | aguitel, you're not getting Firefox in Debian for now... just download your chosen Firefox version and act according to the general instructions or compile from source |
| 23:08.48 | Wyzard | 4.0 is in beta |
| 23:09.40 | babilen | aguitel: You can download the beta version here: http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-4.0b1&os=linux&lang=en-US |
| 23:09.57 | aguitel | i am running squeeze 64bits and flash is not working ,and someone tellme that firefox-4.0 is not using flash |
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| 23:10.29 | Wyzard | aguitel: There is no 64-bit Flash right now... Adobe rescinded it with the 10.1 update |
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| 23:10.43 | thewanderer1 | aguitel, links doesn't use flash either, plus it's faster |
| 23:10.44 | gnoob | /etc/resolv.conf is not where dns is stored on a debian server? File was missing.. hmm could be because havent been on internet yet? |
| 23:10.46 | aguitel | Wyzard, yes i know |
| 23:11.24 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, resolv.conf should get generated the first time you issue a dhclient / bring up network interfaces |
| 23:11.24 | babilen | aguitel: There is a workaroung for flash on squeeze/amd64 -- see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#DebianTesting.27Squeeze.27amd64 it works over here (with 3.6.? from experimental and probably with stock squeeze iceweasel as well) |
| 23:11.25 | Wyzard | aguitel: debian-multimedia has a flashplayer-mozilla package that loads the 32-bit plugin via nspluginwrapper |
| 23:11.32 | craigevil | aguitel: you can install iceweasel 4, http://glandium.org/blog/?p=1032 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:2.0b1) Gecko/20100709 Iceweasel/4.0b1 (like Firefox/4.0b1) |
| 23:11.38 | babilen | thewanderer1: w3m ftw! ;) |
| 23:12.05 | thewanderer1 | babilen, no thanks, I prefer links back from my Gentoo past :P |
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| 23:12.12 | babilen | hehe |
| 23:12.16 | aguitel | i am talking in #ubuntu channel and someone say that ubuntu solve this ussue with wrappere |
| 23:12.25 | aguitel | wrapper |
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| 23:12.30 | gnoob | thewanderer1 ok.. created it manually.. going to set static ip and use my desktop as a router since kernel doesnt find out how to use my usb modem :) |
| 23:12.38 | craigevil | aguitel: yes nspluginwrapper |
| 23:12.41 | babilen | aguitel: yes, nspluginwrapper -- have you read the link I gave you? |
| 23:13.05 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, doesn't your modem have ethernet ports, really? crap |
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| 23:13.23 | craigevil | aguitel: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53036 |
| 23:14.26 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, what should be the depth ? |
| 23:14.29 | gnoob | its a dlink wireless modem (have not got access to wired internet on my home office, but using my computer as a router and connect it to eth0 will work :)) |
| 23:14.31 | volta | Hi all I've a tap on an interface and like to automatically decode all images (JPG/GIF/PNG) on that interface. Any ideas? |
| 23:15.04 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, probably 24 or 16 |
| 23:15.17 | aguitel | babilen, i will follow the link |
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| 23:15.49 | babilen | volta: check driftnet |
| 23:15.54 | babilen | ,info driftnet |
| 23:15.56 | judd | driftnet (admin, extra): Picks out and displays images from network traffic. Version: 0.1.6-8; Size: 25.8k; Installed: 128k; Homepage: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/driftnet/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/driftnet |
| 23:16.34 | Wyzard | aguitel: As an alternative to babilen's workaround, the debian-multimedia.org repository has an unofficial package that does the same thing, but is easier to install |
| 23:17.15 | babilen | Wyzard: which is good news and should be noted on the wiki as well |
| 23:17.50 | Wyzard | Pointing to an unofficial package on the official Debian wiki? :-) |
| 23:18.18 | aguitel | Wyzard, what package is it? |
| 23:18.26 | Wyzard | flashplayer-mozilla |
| 23:18.42 | babilen | Wyzard: dmm is noted on wiki.debian.org AFAIR ... |
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| 23:22.23 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, I got a beige screen, I think we're close haha |
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| 23:22.57 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, no idea what to do next, perhaps try and fix your video modes |
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| 23:26.06 | aguitel | Wyzard, i have errors when i install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 23:26.16 | Wyzard | What sort of errors? |
| 23:26.40 | aguitel | i copy in pastebin |
| 23:26.42 | gnoob | looks like the software sources on a debian installation are pretty minimal.. What do I have to add/enable to be able to install samba kerberos htop ++? :) |
| 23:27.15 | Wyzard | gnoob: Those are all in the normal repositories and you shouldn't need to do anything special to make them available |
| 23:27.16 | lindi- | gnoob: samba surely is part of debian |
| 23:27.22 | aguitel | Wyzard, http://pastebin.com/baRckhNn |
| 23:28.14 | babilen | aguitel: remove the ia32-libs-workaround package before installing that package |
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| 23:28.33 | Wyzard | aguitel: Remove the ia32-libs-workaround package that you got from babilen's workaround |
| 23:29.00 | babilen | Wyzard: it's not *my* workaround ;) |
| 23:29.11 | Wyzard | flashplayer-mozilla uses the normal ia32-libs |
| 23:29.15 | gnoob | ouch.. hmm didnt I check the standard edition then maybe? lol hmm didnt find any new updates either running update && safe-upgrade (but it does have workning internet connection) |
| 23:29.47 | Wyzard | gnoob: What's in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:30.05 | aguitel | Wyzard, babilen ok |
| 23:31.06 | gnoob | hmm all are #-out :) Looks like you just solved it thanks |
| 23:31.18 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, I have to monitors plugged in, is that a problem ? |
| 23:31.49 | Wyzard | gnoob: IIRC when you install from a full CD or DVD (as opposed to netinst) you're asked whether you want to enable access to the web repositories |
| 23:32.02 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, could be, you should try to pull that off with 1 and if it works, progress with 2 |
| 23:32.03 | aguitel | Wyzard, babilen ok it is working now |
| 23:32.11 | aguitel | thanks |
| 23:32.15 | Wyzard | gnoob: If you say no there, your system will only know about the packages on the discs you gave it during installation |
| 23:32.48 | Martin_vW1 | Hi. I know I need to use a bigmem kernel for machines with >= 4 GB RAM, but out of curiosity... what happens when I use a bigmem kernel on a machine with less than 4 GB. Would that waste RAM space, and if yes, how much? |
| 23:32.48 | Wyzard | gnoob: and if you say no when it finishes installing and asks if you want to scan any additional discs, it'll only know about the packages on that first disc |
| 23:32.59 | gnoob | Wyzard ok.. must have doubleclicked next somewhere then :\ The sources list is full, but deb cdrom is the only one active (without #) |
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| 23:33.19 | hacker_kid | using openssh-server i can log the data transfer or i can chroot the users to their home dir, but if i chroot auth.log does not show the activity. how can i correct this? |
| 23:33.26 | Wyzard | Martin_vW1: Assuming the machine isn't ancient (Pentium Pro or newer) the bigmem kernel will work |
| 23:34.07 | babilen | Martin_vW1: You might even consider installing an amd64 kernel |
| 23:34.13 | Wyzard | Martin_vW1: On relatively recent processors, those that support "NX" aka "XD", a bigmem kernel is needed to utilize that security feature, regardless of how much RAM you have |
| 23:34.50 | Wyzard | Martin_vW1: I've heard that there's a slight performance overhead when running in PAE mode (which is what the bigmem kernel does) but I haven't measured it |
| 23:35.00 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, if I plug only one screen, restart X, I still get a black screen |
| 23:35.15 | sam113101 | one monitor |
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| 23:35.35 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, no idea about that, sorry... try asking on the forums |
| 23:35.39 | Wyzard | Martin_vW1: For reference, Windows automatically enables PAE for the security benefit on processors that support NX/XD, regardless of RAM size |
| 23:35.55 | Martin_vW1 | ah, ok, thanks for the answers. So it wouldn't be that a bad idea to make sure all our ~500 servers are running bigmem, just to make sure that all RAM is used if they have >=4GB RAM. |
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| 23:36.06 | Absolute0 | how up to date is http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ ? |
| 23:36.15 | Wyzard | Martin_vW1: yes, and for protection against buffer overflow attacks assuming the machines are relatively recent |
| 23:36.40 | Martin_vW1 | Wyzard: ok, nice to know. |
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| 23:36.45 | Wyzard | Martin_vW1: I use bigmem on my laptop (which has 1GB of RAM) just for security |
| 23:39.10 | babilen | i'm off, good night :) |
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| 23:41.50 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, how big should my swap partition be if I have 6 gig of RAM |
| 23:42.31 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, if you need to hibernate sometimes, then 6GB, but well... I'm running without RAM at all and am fine, works on desktop systems |
| 23:42.56 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: Without RAM? Or without swap? :-P |
| 23:43.01 | sam113101 | haha |
| 23:43.04 | thewanderer1 | without swap I mean xD |
| 23:43.12 | thewanderer1 | right, it's almost morning |
| 23:44.04 | Wyzard | sam113101: For typical desktop usage that's enough RAM that you could get away with no swap at all, but I'd give it a few gigabytes |
| 23:44.16 | sam113101 | I'm running without swap too but I get prompted sometimes hey you don't have any swap partition |
| 23:44.27 | sam113101 | when I'm installing a software for example |
| 23:44.34 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, you can ignore that :P |
| 23:44.35 | Wyzard | sam113101: Even if all your data fits in RAM, having swapspace lets the kernel page out unused data to make room for things like disk cache, which can improve performance |
| 23:44.59 | sam113101 | oh I see |
| 23:45.35 | thewanderer1 | about the only use for swap I see is to set swappiness to 90, but that's to be done on high-IO servers, not desktops... |
| 23:45.48 | Wyzard | It also means you get an auditory warning when you're low on RAM because you can hear your disk chugging :-) |
| 23:47.07 | sam113101 | I don't even think I ever used more than 4 gig of RAM since I got my comp |
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| 23:47.41 | Wyzard | I use up lots of RAM sometimes by running multiple virtual machines |
| 23:47.41 | lindi- | sam113101: what does that mean? surely all ram will be used as cache |
| 23:48.22 | thewanderer1 | Wyzard, ever heard of KVM and memory deduplication? |
| 23:48.46 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: Yes, but I use VMware and haven't tried out KVM yet |
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| 23:49.49 | sam113101 | so 6 gig of RAM would be enough ? I heard twice the RAM is recommended |
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| 23:50.20 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, yes that was back in 2000 when people were low on RAM... now, you can get on without swap at all. |
| 23:50.54 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: Unfortunately, KVM and VMware conflict with each other -- booting VMware while the kvm-intel module is loaded completely locks the machine -- so I can't easily try out KVM while still having access to VMs that I currently rely on |
| 23:50.58 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, if you ever need any swap, you go and buy a RAM module or an SSD |
| 23:51.11 | smv | sam113101, though if you want to use hibernation swap=ram would be usefull. |
| 23:51.56 | lindi- | maybe we'll get support for hibernating to file soon |
| 23:52.14 | icebrain | lindi-: I thought tuxonice already supported it? |
| 23:52.16 | thewanderer1 | actually, with a good SSD, the memory block cache is not so useful |
| 23:52.18 | gnoob | on my desktop with 4gigs of ram Ive got 8Gb of untouched swapspace :P Waste of space. Did you know that if you swap to two different physical disks it will automaticly stripe data? awesome |
| 23:52.42 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, I've heard you just setup a server |
| 23:52.48 | lindi- | icebrain: yes but is that in debian? |
| 23:53.14 | icebrain | !tuxonice |
| 23:53.15 | dpkg | TuxOnIce (formerly Suspend2, swsusp) is a project providing a set of kernel patches that let you suspend your laptop to disk within half a minute, then wake it into the previous state. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-tuxonice and tuxonice-userui. http://www.tuxonice.net/FAQ.html #tux-on-ice on irc.freenode.net. Also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <suspend>. |
| 23:53.15 | Tux^verdreifelt | !icebrain |
| 23:53.30 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, you might want to do what I did and disable memory overcommit to use your RAM efficiently and never see the OoM killer again |
| 23:53.55 | lindi- | icebrain: ah but linux-patch-tuxonice is only in lenny, maybe it got mainline? |
| 23:54.14 | icebrain | lindi-: it's possible. I have it, and I don't remember installing it :) |
| 23:54.36 | gnoob | thewanderer1 yep,, installing again.. lacked a few thing and I might have done something wrong.. Thanks for the tip Ill check that out :) |
| 23:55.57 | thewanderer1 | actually that tip is backed with a nasty `grep -d recurse crap /` accident (with crap being typed literal...) which brought the machine to its knees :P |
| 23:56.44 | thewanderer1 | who woulda thought grep had an inefficient recursion implementation |
| 23:58.50 | thewanderer1 | I'm off, see you |
| 23:59.04 | gnoob | bb thanks for a lot of helping!! |
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