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| 00:13.25 | gnoob | is it possible to install a package that shows a page of how server is doing.. disk health e.g?? Would be nice for headless servers :) |
| 00:14.05 | Wyzard | gnoob: That's what ssh is for :-) |
| 00:15.18 | gnoob | yeah ssh is nice :) but want to make the one taking over server to be able to watch how server is doing.. (he doesnt know enough to log in from ssh.. and is also a dumb windowsuser :p) |
| 00:15.50 | Wyzard | better to educate the admin than to dumb down the computer |
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| 00:16.35 | Wyzard | Webmin can probably do what you want, but I don't know anything about it except that it has a rather poor security reputation |
| 00:16.50 | Wyzard | I don't know of any other packages that would do it (but I've never looked) |
| 00:17.48 | hesco | I'm looking for pointers to building a RAID-1 (I think it is called) which mirrors two drives in tandem. How do you do this the debian way ??? |
| 00:18.16 | Wyzard | hesco: The tool for doing that is called "mdadm", and it's in the package of the same name |
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| 00:19.48 | hesco | ok. I have an existing installation I was hoping to migrate from an old IDE drive onto two new sata drives I'm ready to install. |
| 00:20.20 | Wyzard | That's possible, but it takes some skill, and probably involves booting from a liveCD |
| 00:21.30 | hesco | I'm comfortable at a cli and have knoppix handy. just have never done raid except through an installer which abstracted it all away. |
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| 00:22.01 | gnoob | Wyzard thanks for good advice :) |
| 00:22.16 | gnoob | I stay with ssh then I guess |
| 00:22.22 | Wyzard | In a nutshell, you'll partition the two disks, probably with just one big whole-disk partition each, and then do something like "mdadm --create -l1 -n2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1" |
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| 00:22.42 | Wyzard | then "cat /proc/mdstat" periodically until you see that it's done syncing |
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| 00:23.50 | Wyzard | I'd suggest making the array a physical volume for LVM, rather than putting a filesystem directly on the array device itself |
| 00:24.16 | Wyzard | (There's some support for partitionable arrays, but I've never used it so I don't know how well it works, and LVM is more flexible anyway) |
| 00:25.36 | gnoob | hesco You make two "raid partitions" of same size on two different physical disks and then mdadm them together :) And automount them in /etc/fstab LVM is nice too. You make a raid and use raidvolume for LVM Happy raiding :) |
| 00:25.46 | Wyzard | Oops, I got that mdadm command wrong: it should be "mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1" |
| 00:25.57 | Wyzard | have to specify the name of the array device (/dev/md0 in this case) |
| 00:26.19 | hesco | Is LVM an option when using cfdisk? Where in the process, would I do that? |
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| 00:26.36 | Wyzard | No, lvm is completely separate from conventional partition tables |
| 00:26.48 | hesco | I still need to shutdown to install the second disk. |
| 00:26.53 | gnoob | cfdisk can be used to partition the partitions you want to include in the raid volume |
| 00:27.05 | Wyzard | You set up LVM after you have the array created |
| 00:27.16 | Wyzard | You use fdisk to make the partitions that will be the components of the array |
| 00:27.29 | hesco | and creating the array is done with the code you shared? |
| 00:27.35 | Wyzard | With mdadm, yes |
| 00:28.32 | Wyzard | If you're going to be transferring the OS installation over to the array, you may need to make a separate (small) partition for /boot, since grub doesn't understand RAID |
| 00:28.42 | Wyzard | (grub2 allegedly does, but I haven't tried it) |
| 00:29.24 | hesco | cfdisk to create partition table, as usual; then mdadm on the partitions to create the array of them, then how is the LVM created? I assume I do that first before I create filesystems on the volumes? |
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| 00:29.58 | Wyzard | The separate /boot partition may not be necessary for raid1, depending on the layout of the RAID metadata, but I'd do it regardless, to be safe |
| 00:30.28 | hesco | I traditionally run an installation spread across several partitions. How would continuing that practice complicate this process? |
| 00:30.46 | Wyzard | You mean separate filesystems for things like /usr and /home? |
| 00:30.48 | Wyzard | That's what the LVM is for |
| 00:30.55 | hesco | right |
| 00:31.18 | Wyzard | After you make the array you have /dev/md0 which is a single big block device |
| 00:31.50 | hesco | so I can have a no execute partition for instance to handle file uploads and distinct partitions for mail and logs, so they can not shut down the whole system. |
| 00:31.51 | Wyzard | You run pvcreate on it to format it as an LVM physical volume, then use vgcreate to make a "volume group" containing it |
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| 00:32.20 | Wyzard | and now you have a space that you can make logical volumes in -- partitions, basically, but more versatile than the MBR partition table |
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| 00:33.00 | fyn | hiya ... i'm trying to give kvm a shot but it's telling me my lenny iso's bootloader is immediately going into a graphical mode and that's not cutting it over ssh. rather than use vnc, is there something i can press to make it drop down to curses? |
| 00:33.01 | Wyzard | so you create some logical volumes using lvcreate, run mkfs on them, etc. |
| 00:34.33 | Wyzard | As for the initial partitioning and the /boot thing, I'd partition each disk with a 100MB partition at the beginning, followed by a big partition taking up the rest of the disk |
| 00:34.38 | gnoob | why is x11 packages needed to install openssh-server? I dont want X :\ |
| 00:35.11 | Wyzard | One of the 100MB partitions will be your /boot (that's enough room for several kernels and initrds plus a safety margin) and the other will be unused; the two big partitions will be the RAID components, of course |
| 00:35.59 | hesco | so /boot is not replicated? |
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| 00:36.13 | Wyzard | gnoob: openssh-server recommends xauth because it's needed for ssh's X forwarding support |
| 00:36.28 | Wyzard | gnoob: That pulls in some libraries, but not the actual X server, video drivers, etc. |
| 00:36.52 | fyn | how do i boot a debian iso in text-only mode? |
| 00:36.53 | Wyzard | hesco: Right, but that's not a big deal -- if that disk crashes you lose your kernel and initrd, but those can easily be reinstalled |
| 00:37.04 | Wyzard | You don't lose any of your important data |
| 00:37.08 | gnoob | :) ok awesome (wow how did you learn all this?!) |
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| 00:37.39 | Wyzard | gnoob: I learned that from troubleshooting why X forwarding didn't work -- I didn't have xauth installed :-) |
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| 00:38.10 | hesco | but you make a matching partition on the other disk so that the physical drives will match in size for the RAID array ??? |
| 00:38.15 | demism | hi guys, I'm running lenny. I just installed Google Chrome, and I was wondering how I can get flash to work on my computer. It is x86_64 |
| 00:38.17 | Wyzard | hesco: right |
| 00:38.20 | gnoob | troubleshooting makes good learning.. thats for sure ;) |
| 00:38.27 | Wyzard | hesco: Well, not the physical drives, but the partitions |
| 00:38.36 | hesco | right |
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| 00:39.20 | Wyzard | hesco: There's no benefit in having one larger than the other -- the extra space is wasted -- so I partition the second disk with that 100MB partition at the beginning, even though it won't be used, just so that the RAID partition is the same size |
| 00:40.34 | Wyzard | hesco: Once you have the partitioning, RAID, and LVM set up, then you need to actually transfer the existing OS installation over to it |
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| 00:41.08 | Wyzard | The use of RAID doesn't really matter for that -- it's just mounted filesystems at that point, and the process is pretty much the same as if you were transferring the OS from one plain disk to another -- but it can be tricky regardless |
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| 00:41.58 | foobaru | What's the best front end for dpkg? |
| 00:42.12 | Wyzard | You'll need to boot from a liveCD, mount both sets of filesystems (preferably mounting the old ones read-only) and copy everything over to the new ones (using "cp -a") |
| 00:42.38 | Wyzard | then adjust /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/device.map on the new copy to reflect the new disks it'll be booting from |
| 00:42.48 | Wyzard | then install GRUB in the MBR of the new primary disk |
| 00:42.58 | Wyzard | foobaru: aptitude IMO |
| 00:43.25 | zebradog | foobaru, front ends are for losers |
| 00:44.05 | foobaru | zebradog: what do you use? |
| 00:44.09 | Wyzard | hesco: I'd recommend doing a dry run on another machine, or at least have good backups, especially if you haven't done this sort of thing before |
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| 00:44.26 | zebradog | foobaru, aptitude/apt-get |
| 00:44.35 | foobaru | zebradog: Those are front ends. |
| 00:44.36 | zebradog | foobaru, command line of course.. |
| 00:44.45 | foobaru | zebradog: front end != gui |
| 00:44.55 | zebradog | foobaru, there are no front-ends to dpkg |
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| 00:45.41 | foobaru | zebradog: apt is a front end to dpkg |
| 00:46.01 | foobaru | zebradog: At least that's what wikipedia says |
| 00:46.13 | zebradog | foobaru, dpkg is promiscuous. |
| 00:46.36 | zebradog | foobaru, you're confusing the dpkg command with dpkg libraries |
| 00:47.14 | foobaru | zebradog: Doesn't apt just utilize the dpkg libs? |
| 00:47.53 | demism | Hi guys how do I install flash-plugin on 64-bit chrome browser? |
| 00:48.09 | moldovean | foobaru, what's your real problem ? |
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| 00:48.36 | lindi- | demism: which flash plugin? adobes or gnash? |
| 00:48.36 | zebradog | moldovean, he wants a gui interface for package management |
| 00:48.47 | foobaru | moldovean: I can't stand apt or aptitude. I want an alternative |
| 00:48.49 | moldovean | meta question goes nowhere |
| 00:48.56 | foobaru | zebradog: Not necessarily gui. I prefer cli. |
| 00:49.01 | gnoob | Wyzard I have now got my / on a raid1 and the /boot on a separate 200Mb partition sda1 sda2 is an empty 200mb ext2 partition. If I install grub on that one too, then any of the two system disks (raid1) can fail without stopping right? |
| 00:49.31 | zebradog | foobaru, front-ends tend to guis.. there's a new front-end but i don't use it. |
| 00:49.52 | moldovean | !tell foobaru about aptitude |
| 00:49.57 | gnoob | sorry not sda2... sdb1 :) |
| 00:50.07 | demism | lindi-: whichever will let me watch youtube (pr0n) faster. |
| 00:50.22 | zebradog | aptitude can be driven via commandline and typing "aptitude<enter>" < frontend |
| 00:51.03 | gnoob | If somebody hate aptitude it must be because they havent got to know it yet :) |
| 00:51.39 | Wyzard | gnoob: You'd need to both duplicate the /boot filesystem onto sdb2, and install GRUB's MBR code on sdb |
| 00:51.44 | Wyzard | gnoob: err, onto sdb1, not sdb2 |
| 00:51.48 | zebradog | gnoob, package management is a joke. sometimes the colors are not just right for 'em pussies |
| 00:52.01 | zebradog | snorts |
| 00:52.52 | gnoob | will dd be good for dupliocateing or should I just copy it? |
| 00:53.09 | Wyzard | gnoob: It should be possible to actually use software RAID for /boot as long as you use RAID1 and make sure the superblock is at the end of the device rather than the beginning (e.g. superblock version 1.0; I'm not sure about 0.9) |
| 00:53.11 | lindi- | demism: ok. i am just testing chromium on openmoko. here youtube-dl + mplayer is the fastest way |
| 00:53.12 | moldovean | !tell foobaru about why not aptitude |
| 00:53.18 | hesco | Wyzard: thanks. I think I have all that noted now. The second drive is still in its packaging. But I hope to get to this soon. |
| 00:54.04 | hesco | I don't imagine that intending to run zen instances on this machine would change any of the advice you've offered here on RAID, would it? |
| 00:54.15 | Wyzard | gnoob: so you could make a separate little array for /boot, and then you wouldn't need to worry about keeping the copies in-sync |
| 00:54.34 | Wyzard | though you still need to install GRUB in each disk's MBR (a one-time thing) |
| 00:54.35 | foobaru | zebradog: I tend to not use guis in package management. Honestly, I just do not like the way aptitude lists searches. |
| 00:55.02 | lindi- | aptitude search is slow too |
| 00:55.18 | foobaru | zebradog: If there's a config file to edit how it handles lists that would be helpful. |
| 00:55.20 | Wyzard | hesco: No, but it makes LVM extra useful since the Xen tools support using LVs as virtual disks in domU |
| 00:56.02 | zebradog | foobaru, i don't like to search strings with aptitude, I tend to use "apt-cache search<string>" and get better results |
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| 00:56.23 | foobaru | zebradog: I will try that approach. thanks. |
| 00:56.34 | zebradog | foobaru, apropos apt or apropos dpkg < eventually you'll see something about sources.list manpage |
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| 00:57.05 | Wyzard | hesco: On my Xen server I have two LVs for each domU, named like "foo_root" and "foo_swap", which are mapped to /dev/xvda and /dev/xvdb in the guest |
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| 00:57.52 | Wyzard | hesco: The nice thing about LVM volumes is that you can create and remove them, and even resize them, without needing to reboot (like you'd need to do for changing normal partitions) |
| 00:58.08 | gnoob | ohh raid1 for /boot.. sounds risky.. but I might give it a try :) |
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| 00:59.51 | Wyzard | gnoob: It works for RAID1 with the superblock at the end because the contents of the individual partitions are the same as the contents of the array -- no striping, and no offset due to having RAID metadata at the beginning |
| 01:00.06 | Wyzard | Only safe for read-only access, of course, but that's all GRUB does anyway |
| 01:01.24 | gnoob | hmm but if I dont put /boot in raid1 how do I solve this: sda1 mounted @ /root and sdb1... hmm where should it be mounted?? :p maybe its obvious but Im slow.. (hopefully because its 3 in the mornong here) |
| 01:02.06 | Wyzard | gnoob: From within Debian, you'd mount the array (/dev/md1 or whatever) as /boot |
| 01:02.17 | Wyzard | It's only GRUB that reads from the raw partition at boot time |
| 01:03.05 | gnoob | ohh now all makes sense :) and grub reads sdb1 if sda1 is down great |
| 01:03.39 | Wyzard | Well, if sda is down then it's effectively not there anymore, and sdb becomes sda |
| 01:04.57 | Wyzard | so it's really no different from normal booting as far as GRUB is concerned |
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| 02:19.31 | gnoob | I did make a raid md2 with several lvm volumes on it. Do I need to mkfs.extX /dev/dm-0 to be able to mount and use? (still noob with lvm :)) |
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| 02:23.58 | gnoob | Ok see you tomorrow guys! Thanks a lot for all the help! I got debianized :p |
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| 02:36.35 | johnf | I'm on a very horrible Internet connection at the moment. Is there something that will download all the bugs for a particular package for me so I can work on them offline? |
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| 02:45.13 | intranut | hi |
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| 02:48.25 | Name141 | Does the CD1 come with Gnome? |
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| 02:50.12 | LtL | Name141: yes |
| 02:50.42 | Name141 | LtL: OK. I noticed debian has a lot less er.. "repos?" than Ubuntu, is that normal ? |
| 02:51.30 | LtL | Name141: not a problem, they're all fast, it's 'normal' if you are finding them all. |
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| 02:51.50 | Name141 | I mean, it only had something like security, and 2 others |
| 02:51.58 | Name141 | the last time I tried it |
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| 02:52.39 | Name141 | Ubuntu has like 25+ |
| 02:53.25 | LtL | Name141: msg dpkg for sources.list theres a couple extra repos plus sube sections E.G. main free non-free contrib |
| 02:53.53 | craigevil | Name141: ubuntu takes what debian calls non-free and puts it in multiverse, dmm =mediabuntu etc, same packages just split up differently |
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| 02:54.17 | LtL | Name141: you run lenny/stable? i could pastebin |
| 02:54.49 | Name141 | LtL: I'm going to run Lenny, I want to move from Ubuntu |
| 02:55.01 | Name141 | I got to download the CD ISO later on though due to ISP limitations |
| 02:55.27 | LtL | Name141: craigevil explained the difference quite accuratly. |
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| 02:56.22 | Name141 | LtL: Ok, can you still pastebin to make sure I got all I need later on? |
| 02:56.33 | Name141 | Seeing as I'm used to 392432048302's of repos |
| 02:56.37 | craigevil | Name141: a lot of ppl use 5 repos, debian main contrib non-free, security, backports, volatile, and debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:57.03 | LtL | Name141: correction, accurately. |
| 02:57.14 | Name141 | craigevil: ok. |
| 02:57.18 | LtL | Name141: sure can |
| 02:58.12 | Name141 | I had a 5.0.4 disk somewhere, but I can't find it |
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| 02:59.33 | Name141 | I think it had lxde on it though |
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| 03:02.39 | LtL | y |
| 03:02.44 | LtL | sorry |
| 03:02.47 | Name141 | eh? |
| 03:06.24 | LtL | Name141: http://pastebin.com/SZ7Nx4v4 |
| 03:07.19 | Name141 | And that should give me everything I need , keep everything up to date , etc to use it as a desktop ? |
| 03:07.48 | LtL | Name141: yes sir |
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| 03:08.42 | Guest29574 | so if i install a new video card will lenny recognize it and auto install drivers |
| 03:09.10 | Name141 | Does 5.0.5 still use ext3? |
| 03:09.23 | LtL | Name141: Yes |
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| 03:09.31 | Name141 | ok |
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| 03:11.01 | Guest29574 | does lenny use pnp |
| 03:11.48 | zebradog | Guest14728, pnp is a standard.. and yes its supported obviously |
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| 03:11.57 | zebradog | Guest14728, been for years |
| 03:12.44 | Guest29574 | so if i install a new video card lenny will install drivers for it |
| 03:13.18 | dcbevins | it will probably promt you to install them |
| 03:13.35 | zebradog | Guest39223, any modern linux would be able, they all share 99 percent same kernel code.. |
| 03:13.37 | dcbevins | if they are restricted, (non open source) |
| 03:13.51 | Guest29574 | dcbevins: thank you |
| 03:13.56 | zebradog | wonders how many Guest*names are in here |
| 03:14.15 | zebradog | Guestwonderman, how many times are you logged in? |
| 03:14.20 | zebradog | lol |
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| 03:17.20 | zebradog | i'm looking for a NAS box, any recommends? |
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| 03:18.23 | DogBoy | to do what with |
| 03:18.48 | petemc | guess storage |
| 03:18.57 | DogBoy | no duh |
| 03:19.14 | dcbevins | zebradog: looking to buy one or build one |
| 03:19.18 | DogBoy | I'm asking if he could maybe expand on his requirements |
| 03:19.32 | zebradog | dcbevins, i hate building |
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| 03:20.38 | dcbevins | well you could just walk into best buy and buy one or try ebay |
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| 03:21.06 | zebradog | obviously.. i'd like to know from other's experience.. that's why i'm asking for any takes |
| 03:21.27 | terron | What's the easiest way (from an end user POV) to run 32 bit programs in a 64 bit environment? Adobe no longer supports 64 bit flash (10.1) so I'm going to have to go back to a 32 bit browser. I've tried just doing a straight install but get an error message ( package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)) and having the user chroot/su/etc like I saw in one tutorial every time they want to run the browser seems like a hassle |
| 03:21.47 | DogBoy | well in my experience you start by determining what your requirements are |
| 03:21.58 | DogBoy | that's why I asked |
| 03:22.04 | dcbevins | about 140 bucks at best buy will get you a western digital for 1tb, as to experience, ive not used one, but helped a friend with a WD, i would think they are simple enough to be like buying a microwave or a toaster |
| 03:22.49 | dcbevins | sorry i havent tried more |
| 03:23.18 | DogBoy | I have six of them right here |
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| 03:25.42 | moldovean | terron, wait for craigevil |
| 03:25.47 | dcbevins | terron if ia32-libs is installed 32 bit apps should just run, no hassles |
| 03:26.28 | dcbevins | u might also need the right libasound2 |
| 03:26.34 | terron | dcbevins: it is, but I can't install 32bit stuff from .deb for some reason (dpkg: error processing google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)) |
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| 03:28.24 | dcbevins | it might be easier to get the 64 browser to use the 32 bit plugin |
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| 03:28.58 | dcbevins | i havent tried but i think nspluginwrapper is a wrapper that could utilize the 32 bit flash |
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| 03:29.44 | Hoxzer | there is a 64bit flash plugin but for some mystical reason adobe stopped sharing it |
| 03:30.10 | dcbevins | u could try --force-architecture with dpkg to skill the warning |
| 03:30.35 | dcbevins | skip not skill |
| 03:30.37 | moldovean | mystical ? grave vulnerability |
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| 03:34.34 | moldovean | " There is a workaroung for flash on squeeze/amd64 -- s|ee http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#DebianTesting.27Squeeze.27amd64 " |
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| 03:37.46 | moldovean | terron, ^^ |
| 03:38.39 | tharkun | what is the name of this factoid about backporting from one release to lenny? |
| 03:39.03 | moldovean | !ssb |
| 03:39.03 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 03:39.45 | tharkun | moldovean: thx |
| 03:39.48 | moldovean | np |
| 03:42.02 | tharkun | Is there a document where it is explained how to set up a build environment for a different architechture? |
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| 03:43.01 | craigevil | tharkun: nmg |
| 03:44.23 | nsadmin | there must be... there exist machines running buildd[sic]s which have the task of building the .debs... some of those must be cross envs |
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| 03:44.57 | tharkun | craigevil: thx i was hoping for a simpler solution. nmg is not exactly what i was looking for althogh i apreciate it |
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| 03:47.55 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.05 | moldovean | ,info cowbuilder --release squeeze |
| 03:48.06 | judd | cowbuilder (utils, optional): pbuilder running on cowdancer. Version: 0.61; Size: 28.8k; Installed: 104k |
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| 03:52.08 | terron | thanks a ton moldovean |
| 03:52.20 | moldovean | np |
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| 03:54.00 | tharkun | craigevil: I just want to port apt-cacher-ng from squeeze to lenny :-) for i386 and i run amd64 :) |
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| 03:56.18 | craigevil | tharkun: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
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| 03:58.50 | tharkun | craigevil: thx exactly what i was looking for, you are a magician :-) |
| 03:59.07 | craigevil | google does all the work |
| 03:59.40 | tharkun | Not when you are behind a corporate nat. It gets confused with every query it gets |
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| 04:08.49 | tuv | it seems gkrellmd starts before hddtemp in squeeze on boot, and so hdd temp. are not reported unless i restart gkrellmd |
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| 04:34.10 | chlin | does debian non-free repos still support ati radeon card? |
| 04:34.19 | chlin | e.g. r600 |
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| 04:38.53 | dondelelcaro | chlin: that should be supported by the radeon driver that we distribute in main |
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| 04:41.34 | chlin | dondelelcaro: thanks. Will try it now. |
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| 04:57.29 | norbert_ | hi, is there a package similar to nautilus-gksu that will allow me to copy/move files with root permission as a user? |
| 04:57.41 | norbert_ | nautilus-gksu seems to only open files |
| 04:57.57 | Name141 | oh yeah, I only need CD1 to install debian right? |
| 04:58.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Name141: correct |
| 04:58.52 | moldovean | Name141, nah , use netinstal .. |
| 04:59.15 | Name141 | How long are debian installs good for? (supported another words) |
| 04:59.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbert_: gksudo nautilus? |
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| 05:00.34 | norbert_ | Kamping_Kaiser: tried that and gksu, but neither is working because of display and permission issues |
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| 05:01.04 | moldovean | Name141, one year after next release |
| 05:01.04 | Zatcharius | #ubuntu |
| 05:02.21 | norbert_ | Name141: there is a dist-upgrade option |
| 05:02.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbert_: er, are you su'd to another user? |
| 05:03.03 | norbert_ | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm creating a manual that should be usable by noobs |
| 05:03.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | and? |
| 05:04.03 | norbert_ | don't have time for that |
| 05:04.15 | Arrowmaster | then noobs should never have a file browser with root privileges open so they can just drag around files owned by root |
| 05:04.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | eyeroll |
| 05:05.18 | Arrowmaster | its true, if anybody asked me how they could move a file owned by root the first thing i would do would be ask them why |
| 05:05.38 | Name141 | nor I just wanted to know how long before I have to be annoyed by a dist-upgrade |
| 05:05.38 | Name141 | oh he left |
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| 05:05.54 | slidesinger | !ldap |
| 05:05.54 | dpkg | [ldap] Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. Ask me about <openldap>. http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Ldap #ldap on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:06.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell slidesinger about message teh bot |
| 05:06.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell slidesinger about message the bot |
| 05:06.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | fucking typos |
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| 05:27.25 | rares | firefox has remaining entries for removed extensions |
| 05:27.42 | rares | keeps saying they will be uninstalled |
| 05:27.50 | rares | er iceweasel |
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| 05:31.34 | rss | Hi, there is an application which makes ascii art for letters and other characters called, fig or something similar, not able to find that on repository(may be I am searching it wrong) or the net, what's it called? it is fairly popular |
| 05:33.10 | s_mark | does anyone know how to limit incomming connections speed based on IP address? e.g. limit each ip max to 1MB/s. Would linux tc do the job, if so how? |
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| 05:34.27 | craigevil | rss: figlet |
| 05:34.35 | rss | craigevil: awesome, thanks |
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| 05:36.40 | rss | it is been years since I last used it, it used to be a rage in IRC, where everybody use flamboyantly announce their arrival :D |
| 05:37.18 | kripz | Im trying to access my samba share from my windows PC but it keeps saying connection refused, im trying the IP and hostname, both dont work. |
| 05:37.38 | rss | heck, I have it installed :D |
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| 05:38.22 | rss | perils of using debian sid and forgetting about it, debian is bliss! :D |
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| 05:38.54 | kripz | http://pastebin.com/pjY8Wp7b |
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| 06:27.33 | pikaro | hi folks :) i need help, my keyboard seems to have lost it all of a sudden... xev tells me the arrow keys are Alt_R, Print, Super_R and Keycode 114 now, for instance. Things changed without any updates, and during normal computer use. I'm running Debian Unstable with an Apple keyboard. |
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| 06:34.18 | JasonWoof | I just read that in gnome 2.30 they renamed "same gnome" to "fell swoop", but I don't see it in debian unstable under either name. I'm I just bad at looking? or is it missing for some reason? |
| 06:35.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | JasonWoof: how are you looking? its in the gnome-games package |
| 06:37.35 | JasonWoof | Kamping_Kaiser: in the games menu, in /usr/games/bin (I have gnome-games installed) in the aptitude description of gname-games, apt-cache search "swoop", etc |
| 06:37.40 | JasonWoof | no sign of it in any of those places |
| 06:38.17 | JasonWoof | I see quadrapassel (renamed at the same time) |
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| 06:40.51 | JasonWoof | this outputs nothing: dpkg --listfiles gnome-games | grep -i 'same\|swoop' |
| 06:41.16 | JasonWoof | I just (minutes ago) updated to gnome 2.30.2 |
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| 06:43.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | JasonWoof: hm, you are right. it doesn't appear to be there anymore |
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| 06:44.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | (in the upstream tarball at all) |
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| 06:47.01 | JasonWoof | weird |
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| 06:51.56 | JasonWoof | yeah, I don't see it in gnome-games upstream tarball v. 2.30.0 or 2.30.2 |
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| 07:09.40 | _ke | i lost my /usr directory, how can i reinstall all apps with only my /var directory available? |
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| 07:18.52 | zdark | I have a server with eight physical processors and logical but my 8 and 32 bit authentication uses only one processor, it is possible with a feature of Linux to take stock of the process? |
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| 07:25.13 | JasonWoof | oh, it's "swell foop" not "fell swoop" go xanth! |
| 07:25.51 | JasonWoof | still not in unstable though |
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| 07:26.49 | JasonWoof | zdark: "take stock"? |
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| 07:27.21 | kripz | I've just made a new samba config file using gadmin-samba and i still cannot access my samba share using a windows 7 PC, my samba.log is empty. Here's the config: http://pastebin.com/qFpXUWnM |
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| 07:29.32 | kripz | some stuff just appeared: http://pastebin.com/JT7ALwFS |
| 07:30.47 | JasonWoof | kripz: I tried gadmin-samba about a month ago, with no luck. Then I tried going through the sample /etc/samba/smb.conf (reading comments, uncommenting things, changing things) and that worked. |
| 07:31.05 | kripz | JasonWoof, how do i get the original back? |
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| 07:32.57 | JasonWoof | kripz: what original? |
| 07:33.13 | kripz | JasonWoof, dw found it in /usr/share/samba/ |
| 07:33.54 | zdark | I have a server with eight physical processors and logical but my 8 and 32 bit authentication uses only one processor, it is possible with a feature of Linux to take stock of the process? |
| 07:35.44 | JasonWoof | zdark: yes, you said that, but it still doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean by "take stock of". To me that means "write down a list of" |
| 07:36.29 | JasonWoof | zdark: linux can't magically rewrite your software to be multi-threaded if that's what you mean. You'll have to edit the code yourself |
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| 07:38.00 | zdark | i know my kernel is smp JasonWoof |
| 07:38.19 | zdark | but smp dont work fine why my process 99% in nucleo |
| 07:38.22 | JasonWoof | zdark: cool, then it can run multiple processes at once |
| 07:38.28 | zdark | program? |
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| 07:39.23 | JasonWoof | A single program can only use multiple processors if it was designed to do that |
| 07:39.33 | zdark | JasonWoof if my users over 2mil users, auth get 100% one nucleo, but i have other 7 |
| 07:39.57 | zdark | i know |
| 07:40.03 | JasonWoof | zdark: can you run multiple instances of the program? |
| 07:40.31 | zdark | no |
| 07:40.39 | zdark | JasonWoof By default Linux has user limit on a port? |
| 07:41.01 | JasonWoof | yeah, but maybe you could set up a load-balancing proxy on that port |
| 07:41.12 | zdark | nat? |
| 07:41.29 | JasonWoof | sure, or you could do it at the router level |
| 07:41.51 | zdark | You know where to look to increase this limit? |
| 07:42.16 | zdark | rout dont is problem, mayble limit user on port |
| 07:42.23 | JasonWoof | the "only one program can listen on a port at once" limit?! |
| 07:42.38 | zdark | i can use other port |
| 07:43.04 | zdark | for if over 1000 user for port, i get 100% cpu for process auth |
| 07:43.12 | zdark | i can open two auth |
| 07:43.14 | JasonWoof | this sounds like a load balancing issue to me. |
| 07:43.22 | zdark | hum |
| 07:43.27 | zdark | cluster? |
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| 07:43.29 | JasonWoof | this over TCP? |
| 07:43.35 | zdark | yes |
| 07:43.44 | zdark | high buffer |
| 07:43.49 | JasonWoof | we're talking about balancing a load between local processes |
| 07:43.49 | zdark | i change systcl |
| 07:43.56 | zdark | hum |
| 07:44.40 | zdark | look you pvt sysctl |
| 07:45.06 | zdark | JasonWoof its possible fix balancing processes local? |
| 07:45.52 | JasonWoof | what? |
| 07:46.23 | zdark | if problem is balancing process local |
| 07:46.27 | zdark | i can fix how? |
| 07:46.29 | zdark | mosix? |
| 07:46.39 | JasonWoof | nothing is broken |
| 07:46.50 | JasonWoof | you just don't have any sort of load balancing in place |
| 07:47.07 | JasonWoof | I don't know the best solution for you |
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| 07:47.20 | JasonWoof | I don't even know if you can hack your auth program, or if you're stuck with some proprietary thing |
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| 07:47.42 | zdark | hum |
| 07:48.01 | zdark | any ideia JasonWoof ? |
| 07:48.29 | JasonWoof | IF you're stuck with it AND you can run multiple instances, then the only obvious solution I see is to run multiple instances, and make sure (at least when it's under load) that requests are balanced between the instances |
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| 07:48.59 | zdark | i dont can run any process |
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| 07:49.55 | zdark | JasonWoof if over 2400 user |
| 07:49.56 | zdark | kernel: [371331.635262] gs[6856]: segfault at 11c ip 80e002e sp e5fec028 error 4 in gs[8048000+6a6000] |
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| 07:50.03 | zdark | i check today its error in auth |
| 07:50.28 | JasonWoof | what's auth? |
| 07:50.39 | zdark | auth game |
| 07:51.05 | zdark | well if auth over 2400 server down and get error |
| 07:51.14 | zdark | kernel: [371331.635262] gs[6856]: segfault at 11c ip 80e002e sp e5fec028 error 4 i |
| 07:51.18 | JasonWoof | what's "auth game"? |
| 07:51.21 | zdark | i searc google but nothing |
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| 07:51.42 | zdark | JasonWoof i have one game mmo |
| 07:52.24 | JasonWoof | is it a secret? |
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| 07:53.42 | zdark | o what? |
| 07:53.53 | zdark | JasonWoof rpg online, its is game online |
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| 07:54.06 | JasonWoof | what is the name of the game? |
| 07:54.16 | zdark | Perfect World |
| 07:54.16 | JasonWoof | do you have the source code? |
| 07:54.22 | zdark | nops |
| 07:54.39 | JasonWoof | you're running an authentication server? |
| 07:54.45 | zdark | yes |
| 07:54.54 | zdark | if over 2400 player process get 100% cpu one |
| 07:55.09 | zdark | i try use cpulimit |
| 07:55.11 | zdark | but dont work |
| 07:55.44 | JasonWoof | you work for pwe? |
| 07:55.48 | hanibanaa | hi; I'm working in a Company with several technical departments. We want to set up a single Debian mirror with separate sections/compnents for each department. And it would be much better that each department be able to manage its own section of mirror (adding/removing dep packages). Is there any mechanism for it? like a web interface... I'm familiar with reprepro tool. |
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| 07:55.58 | zdark | nops pirate server JasonWoof |
| 07:56.51 | JasonWoof | zdark: ok, so this has little to do with debian. I'll /msg you and maybe find you the right channel |
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| 08:02.20 | JasonWoof | hanibanaa: welcome :) I just wanted to let you know that this is a time of day where often the really knowledgeable people here are all sleeping. If you don't get an answer, I suggest trying your question again in 3-6 hours, or if that's no good in your time zone, then try 3+ hours earlier tomorrow. |
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| 08:09.53 | hanibanaa | JasonWoof: yes thanks :) I did guessed it and saved my question. |
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| 08:10.40 | JasonWoof | hanibanaa: I think you're question was probably within 30 minutes of the least active time of the day here :) |
| 08:10.51 | icarus | hello |
| 08:10.58 | icarus | i was curious on the general opinion |
| 08:11.14 | icarus | is the recent testing-debian usable enough for desktop purposes |
| 08:11.18 | icarus | or will it be a while |
| 08:11.43 | JasonWoof | hanibanaa: I assumed that a debian mirror was not something that needed managing (aside from keeping up with security updates, and making sure everything keeps running.) |
| 08:11.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'recent'? |
| 08:12.29 | icarus | Kamping_Kaiser: its been 3 years since ive used debian |
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| 08:12.39 | icarus | recent as in this day and age |
| 08:12.49 | JasonWoof | icarus: I've been quite pleased with how debian unstable has been running on my desktop since I installed it about two months ago. it's pretty standard hardware. 'course I can't speak for others |
| 08:15.17 | hanibanaa | JasonWoof: we don't want to create Debian "mirror". It will contain ourself-created deb packages which possibly will depend to standard debian packages. So there should be someone to add/remove debs. |
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| 08:16.12 | JasonWoof | hanibanaa: ahh, so you want each department to run a package repository |
| 08:16.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibanaa: why not give each department a /foobar/packages directory they stick stuff in, a cron job puts them in the canonical mirror and reprepros/vsags them? |
| 08:16.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | otherwise giving each thier own mirror access via http://mirror/<department>/makes the most sense to me |
| 08:17.40 | JasonWoof | sweet! someone way more knowledgeable than me! I'm off to bed |
| 08:18.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | bugger, teach me to open my mouth :p |
| 08:18.47 | hanibanaa | JasonWoof: thanks and goodnight :) |
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| 08:19.31 | hanibanaa | yes Kamping_Kaiser. what do you mean by "mirror access" ? |
| 08:20.25 | hanibanaa | and how can I implement that? |
| 08:20.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibanaa: by 'mirror access' i mean 'their own separate mirror' |
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| 08:21.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | which they access at a path like that |
| 08:21.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you go the sections way, you have to setup override files for packages to make sure departments packages go in the right place |
| 08:22.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | or give per-department 'releases' |
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| 08:25.24 | hanibanaa | OK I consider "separate mirror" at http://mirror/department/ . And how can I access them to change their own mirrors? how would be something like a ssh-chroot shell? |
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| 08:27.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibanaa: a setup i have is a central mirro box, everyone with an account (in your case it could be a representitigve of a department) can create a ~/pool directory. |
| 08:28.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibanaa: a cron job checks for /home/*/pool/ directories, and rsyncs the contents into /srv/mirrorname/homedirectoryname |
| 08:28.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibanaa: then runs vsag (or whatever you want to use) on /srv/mirrorname/homedirectoryname |
| 08:29.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | then apache serves up the /srv/mirrorname/homedirectoryname under http://mirror/directoryname |
| 08:29.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibanaa: soits reasonably simple |
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| 08:30.03 | hanibanaa | Kamping_Kaiser: verrrrry nice; I got that. Thank you. |
| 08:30.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | and with a little effort at any stage in the process it could be modifed so it uses department names instead of home account names :) |
| 08:30.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibanaa: no problem :) |
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| 08:33.27 | Mikey6 | Heya |
| 08:33.41 | Mikey6 | I connect to a debian system at home via ssh |
| 08:34.03 | Mikey6 | after I login, the .bashrc script is never executed |
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| 08:34.35 | Mikey6 | In .bash_profile, I see that there is a check to see if bashrc exists, and if its exists to execute it |
| 08:35.00 | Mikey6 | but bashrc executes, if I manually type bash again after logging in |
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| 08:35.38 | Mikey6 | My default shell is sh which anyway points to bash |
| 08:35.47 | Mikey6 | How do i fix this ? |
| 08:37.01 | jelly-home | Mikey6: start by setting the users' login shell to /bin/bash instead |
| 08:37.59 | Mikey6 | jelly-home: I can try that |
| 08:38.04 | Mikey6 | thanks |
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| 08:56.32 | young001 | hey ,guy ,i open my terminal,but it default in /usr/share/pixmaps,my default dir is /home/young001,so what's happen? |
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| 08:57.01 | young001 | env|grep HOME show the right dir |
| 08:57.59 | young001 | both my file manager defult in /usr/share/pixmaps,it should be /home/young001 |
| 08:58.03 | young001 | any help? |
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| 09:10.30 | lonewolf_ | busy room |
| 09:11.01 | shylent | well everyone is busy, yes |
| 09:11.33 | lonewolf_ | shylent: no I meant the # of users |
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| 09:17.58 | kripz | If i have 3x 1.5tb disks in RAID5 using mdadm and i add a a 2TB but only use 1.5TB of it, if i later on swap all the disks one by one to 2TB, can i make use of all the wasted space? |
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| 09:30.35 | BrainBug[BE] | question, i've set up locally a honeypot, (at 1.60), do i have to forward this on my router, to allow traffic to 1.60 <specific port> ? or how does that work? |
| 09:32.25 | valdyn | kripz: yes |
| 09:34.05 | nsadmin | BrainBug[BE] first not sure what you mean by 1.60 |
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| 09:34.16 | BrainBug[BE] | 192.168.1.60 |
| 09:34.21 | BrainBug[BE] | local ip |
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| 09:34.55 | nsadmin | (just so you know 192.168* is not the only one) |
| 09:35.33 | nsadmin | if you want traffic from outside the local net to get there, yes you do need to forward |
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| 09:36.38 | BrainBug[BE] | nsadmin, ah oke great |
| 09:37.01 | BrainBug[BE] | nsadmin, what do you mean by not the only one? |
| 09:37.17 | nsadmin | there.s 10.* and 172.* |
| 09:37.34 | BrainBug[BE] | nsadmin ah yeah i know :)) |
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| 09:37.51 | BrainBug[BE] | nsadmin, still waking up... |
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| 09:38.09 | nsadmin | hence why 1.60 is ambiguous, and doesn't even necessarily communicate any IP |
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| 09:38.41 | BrainBug[BE] | :) |
| 09:39.51 | nsadmin | you could have meant 1.6deg E latitude |
| 09:39.55 | karname | Hi i want to install some deb packages on my n900 from package.debian.org , but each package have some dependency , can I armel as a repository on my phone ? how ? |
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| 09:40.31 | valdyn | karname: dont do this, use easydebian |
| 09:40.36 | nsadmin | or 1.6 people average in the home after she bails :) |
| 09:41.22 | valdyn | karname: maemo isnt debian. You cant just mix and match packages from different distros |
| 09:41.59 | karname | valdyn : can I install pppoe with easy-debian ? |
| 09:42.14 | valdyn | karname: no idea |
| 09:42.37 | valdyn | karname: i dont even know if any maemo kernel has pppoe support |
| 09:42.50 | valdyn | karname: and this is a debian channel not a maemo channel |
| 09:46.53 | BrainBug[BE] | nsadmin, haha , well it works thx :) maybe next time i'll do x.x.1.60 ... :):P |
| 09:47.13 | nsadmin | that |
| 09:47.31 | nsadmin | woudl work... you can see it's not a number |
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| 09:48.16 | BrainBug[BE] | nsadmin, then u can guess what network class i'm on.. for little bit of fun |
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| 09:50.58 | riot | i'm not 100% sure (as the logs got killed during the last incident) but i think OOM-Killer just killed my xorg and ssh daemon. |
| 09:51.17 | riot | i hate that stupid &%!" bloody crap.. |
| 09:51.26 | thewanderer1 | not, disable the OoM killer if that is often an issue for you |
| 09:51.45 | nsadmin | haven't you heard... routing is classless these days :) |
| 09:51.58 | riot | it regularly killed stuff here. And that even though i have 8 gb and the box almost never runs out of ram (according to munin) |
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| 09:52.10 | valdyn | riot: "almost" |
| 09:52.33 | riot | scrap that. |
| 09:52.37 | riot | it never even touched swap |
| 09:52.52 | thewanderer1 | riot, either increase your swappiness or disable OoM killer |
| 09:53.11 | riot | increase swapiness? how so? |
| 09:53.14 | valdyn | riot: you think the oom killer just went off even though there was plenty ram free? |
| 09:53.28 | valdyn | that would be a bug unrelated to swappiness |
| 09:53.44 | valdyn | but more likely your system just went out of memory |
| 09:53.46 | riot | valdyn: yes. i'll just check if the swap is really activated. |
| 09:54.04 | thewanderer1 | riot, /proc/sys/vm/swappiness lets you change (0-100) how often your system will swap |
| 09:54.15 | riot | oh. thanks. |
| 09:54.15 | thewanderer1 | for a desktop, values 10-60 will do, not more |
| 09:54.32 | riot | usually i hate swap (which is why i bought 8 gb) |
| 09:55.13 | thewanderer1 | riot, disable memory overcommit to get rid of OoM at all |
| 09:55.30 | thewanderer1 | at the cost of not being able to malloc() more than you have |
| 09:55.41 | riot | munin tells me i had 3,4 gb ram in use when it happened - rest cache and very little buffers - even some totally unused portion |
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| 09:56.11 | valdyn | riot: can your system even use more than 3.4 G ram? |
| 09:56.21 | riot | sure. |
| 09:56.27 | valdyn | ( that number is weirdly near the 32-bit limit ) |
| 09:56.39 | thewanderer1 | riot, http://markmail.org/message/mvfgerfhnqsd22rh |
| 09:56.40 | valdyn | riot: how so? 64-bit kernel? |
| 09:56.45 | riot | bigmem |
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| 09:56.59 | riot | 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
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| 09:57.20 | thewanderer1 | riot, you can also set the oom priority of some processes if you don't want to resign from overcommit |
| 09:57.56 | riot | i think i'll kick the oom-killer. I never had ANY problems before they introduced it. |
| 09:58.00 | riot | stupid piece of crap. |
| 09:58.07 | riot | and killing xorg + ssh is WAY stupid |
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| 09:58.36 | riot | though as mentioned, i'm not really sure about that, because sadly, the logs didn't get synced before reboot :/ |
| 09:59.01 | thewanderer1 | riot, OoM killer has been there for ages... I run my server with 8GB RAM with overcommit disabled with hundreds of daemons on it and still, it's fine |
| 09:59.23 | riot | thewanderer1: the problems just suddenly popped up |
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| 10:00.58 | riot | i usually have between 300 and 500 procs running, with firefox eating by far the most ram, but that was no problem a long time since i have this specific box. |
| 10:01.21 | riot | suddenly (i suppose it coincided with a kernel-upgrade) the OOM-nightmare began :/ |
| 10:01.44 | thewanderer1 | then go with this advice http://markmail.org/message/mvfgerfhnqsd22rh (overcommit mode 2 and set your percentage) |
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| 10:02.42 | hanibanaa | hi, I have an HP server with Debian lenny installed. The console display turns off and appearing "No Signal" message in half of boot sequence. Where can be the problem? any clue? |
| 10:03.02 | riot | thewanderer1: thanks. i'll try. |
| 10:03.09 | hanibanaa | but i can connect to server by ssh. |
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| 10:04.16 | thewanderer1 | hanibanaa, are you connecting by the serial port? |
| 10:05.38 | hanibanaa | thewanderer1: no connecting through KVM. |
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| 10:06.05 | thewanderer1 | hanibanaa, is it a KVM with VGA forwarding, or a KVM on a serial console? |
| 10:06.57 | hanibanaa | thewanderer1: it's connected through common monitor/keyboard/mouse ports. So its VGA forwarding? |
| 10:07.03 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 10:07.18 | thewanderer1 | hanibanaa, are you running X.org there? |
| 10:07.31 | hanibanaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.39 | hanibanaa | no |
| 10:08.19 | thewanderer1 | hanibanaa, what is the message before your screen goes down? |
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| 10:09.51 | nsadmin | how do you start a kvm guest? does the host have to be set up further? |
| 10:10.40 | hanibanaa | thewanderer1: it's passing so quickly... |
| 10:10.44 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin, only if you want bridging |
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| 10:11.11 | thewanderer1 | hanibanaa, just register the last message |
| 10:12.45 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin, if you have the modules loaded and kvm access rights, and a proper script for tun* setup (I don't, I do that by hand :P ), then you just start KVM and enjoy (on VNC, you might need to issue port forwarding) |
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| 10:20.02 | babilen | !bootlog |
| 10:20.02 | dpkg | bootlogd is, like, disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 10:20.19 | babilen | hanibanaa: ^^^ might be worth a try |
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| 10:21.10 | hanibanaa | babilen: thanks I do that. |
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| 10:28.40 | riot | thewanderer1: echoing -17 into a process' /proc/$PID/oom_adj should prevent the oomkiller to kill that process, right? |
| 10:28.51 | riot | i want to definitely make sure it won't kill xorg or sshd again.. |
| 10:29.11 | hanibanaa | babilen: I enabled it and reboot server; but /var/log/boot is empty. |
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| 10:30.14 | thewanderer1 | riot, I don't remember the format of oom_adj |
| 10:30.25 | babilen | It might be related to 'console-screen' service ... no idea though |
| 10:30.35 | thewanderer1 | riot, I'm almost sure sshd does that on its own, though... you might help it anyway |
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| 10:30.50 | babilen | But I'll have a question. What might be the " âªâ¬ |
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| 10:30.56 | riot | yes, it had -17 in there, which makes me wonder why it didn't let me in any more :/ |
| 10:31.00 | babilen | file in /usr/share/doc/console-tools/examples/ |
| 10:31.09 | riot | i adjusted xorg, though. |
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| 10:32.09 | babilen | Have a look here: http://paste.debian.net/80784/ -- any ideas? |
| 10:33.36 | riot | still it makes me wonder. "free" says my swap has 8 GB, munin shows me, no real swap was ever allocated, still this happened several times now. |
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| 10:34.33 | Name141 | http://pastebin.com/n6r3zSgt |
| 10:34.39 | Name141 | is that all the repos I "need" ? |
| 10:34.46 | riot | according to munin, nothing serious was going on before the crash :/ |
| 10:35.05 | thewanderer1 | riot, it might have been due to a program malloc()ing huge amounts of memory, so that the OS doesn't even allocate swap to it but kills other processes and then that process |
| 10:35.30 | riot | Name141: depends on what you want to do. Maybe add debian-multimedia.org if you want video codecs and other non-free multimedia-stuff. |
| 10:35.51 | hanibanaa | babilen: this console-tools is irrelevant to my problem; I think. |
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| 10:36.13 | riot | thewanderer1: i wasn't doing any abnormal and didn't see anything special happening before. That would have to be a serious bug somewhere :/ |
| 10:36.14 | babilen | hanibanaa: bootlogd works fine over here ... the file is completely empty? You can ssh into the machine, which indicates that most services must have been started. I wonder what prevented bootlogd from logging |
| 10:36.29 | Name141 | riot: Where can I get instructions on that ? |
| 10:36.50 | riot | thewanderer1: sad thing is i need nvidia's xorg-driver - which leaves me unable to see anything on the virtual consoles, esp. kernel-messages.. |
| 10:36.57 | riot | Name141: on the url i gave you. |
| 10:37.13 | Name141 | OK |
| 10:37.18 | thewanderer1 | riot, does NVIDIA kill your consoles? |
| 10:38.01 | hanibanaa | babilen: afterall, this bootlogd logs `userspace' messgaes; my problem is possibly under this level. |
| 10:38.03 | riot | thewanderer1: when the xorg dies, yes :/ also when trying to hibernate.. its sick shit but the only real way to use 3D acceleration. |
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| 10:39.57 | marginalMan | mysql restart does not work on my lenny setup... |
| 10:40.09 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, then stop it and start |
| 10:40.15 | Name141 | riot: seems all you do is " deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main non-free " , then add the keyring |
| 10:40.18 | marginalMan | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'usr'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 10:40.38 | marginalMan | i keep getting that error... -have googled it, but havnt come across anything that helps |
| 10:40.40 | riot | Name141: exactly. |
| 10:40.50 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, what are you trying to do? |
| 10:41.00 | marginalMan | just to restart the server |
| 10:41.10 | marginalMan | i've tried stop/start and get the same error |
| 10:41.33 | Name141 | riot: apt still says there are no new packages to install after adding the repo |
| 10:41.39 | marginalMan | have tried it with root... -same thing |
| 10:42.00 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, do you get this when stopping or starting? |
| 10:42.01 | Name141 | riot: I assume this is to install things like DVD support, etc? |
| 10:42.10 | marginalMan | yup |
| 10:42.13 | riot | Name141: did you apt-get update? Try to install "debian-multimedia-keyring" |
| 10:42.31 | riot | Name141: there's lots of stuff relating to multimedia in that repo. DVD stuff, too, yes. |
| 10:42.33 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, that was an alternative question, not a yes-no :P |
| 10:42.40 | Name141 | debian-multimedia-keyring is already the newest version. |
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| 10:42.46 | Name141 | it says |
| 10:42.48 | marginalMan | haHA, -i get it on both, i get it on either |
| 10:43.03 | marginalMan | # mysql stop |
| 10:43.04 | marginalMan | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 10:43.16 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, use /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 10:43.33 | riot | Name141: then you have added the repo correctly. What apt-frontend do you use? my (beloved ;) apt-get doesn't ever tell me about new packages.. (no need for that.. i just search for what i need..) |
| 10:43.57 | Name141 | riot: I just use apt-get, apt-get install, apt-get this, that.. |
| 10:44.01 | Name141 | over SSH |
| 10:44.42 | marginalMan | that 1 works |
| 10:45.02 | marginalMan | so even if i am in the init.d directory i need to have that whole line? |
| 10:45.08 | Name141 | riot: The machine is an old P2 , I'm just gonna put my USB drives on it and install samaba I think |
| 10:45.14 | thewanderer1 | I don't know where you got `mysql stop`, but it was mysql client trying to connect to localhost, dabasase `stop` |
| 10:45.18 | Name141 | riot: I don't know what else it's good for |
| 10:45.21 | riot | Name141: same for me.. i think its most convenient. I created some aliases like "agi=apt-get install" etc. |
| 10:45.37 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, if you are in init.d, you execute `,/mysql stop` |
| 10:45.44 | marginalMan | ahh... |
| 10:45.48 | marginalMan | i see now |
| 10:45.55 | marginalMan | is fresh to linux |
| 10:45.58 | thewanderer1 | that should be a dot, not a comma |
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| 10:46.02 | Name141 | riot: it has USB2.0 PCI , so maybe I can use it to serv files |
| 10:46.07 | marginalMan | yeh... got tht much :-) |
| 10:46.10 | Name141 | and get them off this machine |
| 10:46.11 | marginalMan | thanks wanderer |
| 10:46.34 | marginalMan | now i've got 1 last 1 for u... |
| 10:46.46 | marginalMan | i'm tryng to connect remotely using mysql workbench |
| 10:47.33 | marginalMan | i noticed that in the my.cnf there is a bind-address line |
| 10:47.54 | marginalMan | this is tied to 127.0.0.1, -so i assumed that this is why connectivity from a remote system does not work |
| 10:48.05 | marginalMan | i hashed that out, -connectvity now works |
| 10:48.06 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, if you remove the line or change it to bind to 0.0.0.0, it will listen on all interfaces |
| 10:48.17 | marginalMan | ok... that confirms it |
| 10:48.33 | marginalMan | but now when logging in using mysql workbench it does not accept the username/password |
| 10:49.10 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, you created the user with GRANT .... TO 'user'@'localhost', right? |
| 10:49.44 | marginalMan | i'm trying with root |
| 10:49.58 | thewanderer1 | root is also created by Debian with root@localhost by default |
| 10:50.40 | thewanderer1 | if you need root access from remote, you should create a root user with your desired remote hostname or '%' as the host part of the username |
| 10:51.03 | marginalMan | so root@% ? |
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| 10:52.03 | thewanderer1 | marginalMan, yes, with 'apostrophes' |
| 10:52.58 | marginalMan | hmmm... better practice to create a new user or just change the current@localhost to current@%? |
| 10:53.04 | marginalMan | -if that is an option... |
| 10:53.30 | thewanderer1 | I don't know how to change an existing user besides hacking `mysql` database, better create a new user |
| 10:54.38 | thewanderer1 | err... |
| 10:54.38 | thewanderer1 | what |
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| 10:55.03 | marginalMan | many* |
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| 11:20.40 | hanibanaa | thewanderer1: the last boot message is : i2c-adapter i2c-3: unable to read EDID block |
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| 11:23.01 | thewanderer1 | hanibanaa: you could try and disable console-setup |
| 11:23.21 | thewanderer1 | hanibanaa: or use a newer kernel from backports |
| 11:24.31 | hanibanaa | thewanderer1: console-setup is a service? |
| 11:25.10 | thewanderer1 | hanibanaa: yes, kindof... it is an init script |
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| 11:25.58 | hanibanaa | thewanderer1: I have a console-screen init script. |
| 11:26.17 | hanibanaa | is it that |
| 11:26.18 | hanibanaa | > |
| 11:26.20 | hanibanaa | ? |
| 11:26.37 | thewanderer1 | I don't know, but disabling that shouldn't hurt SSH anyway |
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| 11:33.30 | thewanderer1 | got to go now, I hope someone takes over |
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| 12:05.24 | Chris___ | to answer my own question from 6 hours ago, and for anyone else who cares: |
| 12:05.29 | Chris___ | Pandora One is kinda supported-ish for Debian! |
| 12:05.52 | Chris___ | as in, they do have an official .bin installer and set of instructions to get the desktop application working |
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| 12:17.15 | Jippi_mac | Hi.. Does debian has a package like ubuntu's "update-motd" framework ? |
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| 12:17.37 | Jippi_mac | or is there another way to update my motd on login with some usefull information about my system? |
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| 12:18.43 | moldovean | edit it |
| 12:19.35 | tarzeau | hei Jippi_mac |
| 12:20.04 | thewanderer1 | Jippi_mac, you don't need to edit motd. You'd better edit the system's /etc/profile and put yout information there |
| 12:20.17 | Jippi_mac | moldovean: sure.. but I would like it to be dynamic on each login |
| 12:20.53 | thewanderer1 | Jippi_mac, it is possible to call a script from /etc/profile, for example I issue a PHP script from there which displays news from MySQL |
| 12:21.11 | Jippi_mac | thewanderer1: okay - that's what I need - thanks for the tip! |
| 12:21.45 | Jippi_mac | I do like the way update-motd from ubuntu works though... easier to handle it with a little framework :) |
| 12:22.07 | thewanderer1 | well, for me /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc is better than any framework :P |
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| 12:23.29 | thewanderer1 | at least it is more reactive to changes (real time instead of some cron stuff) |
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| 12:26.12 | Jippi_mac | thewanderer1: true true |
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| 12:27.20 | lmaowaffle | hi folks, how do i view latest changelog for flashplugin-nonfree (sp?) on etch on my system, without using online resources |
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| 12:27.36 | artagnon | Sid seems to build kernel modules like fglrx automatically for me. I didn't even invoke m-a explicitly. Nice :) |
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| 12:31.15 | ootput | lmaowaffle: apt-listchanges for downloaded updates |
| 12:31.49 | lmaowaffle | ootput: ah, thanks |
| 12:31.50 | kavakava | So I got a little problem. I got three identical servers at work running Etch x86_64 and when I cloned one of the OS to the other two onboard network interface isn't listet with ifconfig -a, but I can see them using hwinfo. I'm afraid I can't give any more information as of now since they are at work and only on local nets, but would be nice if anyone had any tips of where I should start looking tomorrow. |
| 12:32.33 | ootput | kavakava: how did you clone the first? |
| 12:32.43 | kavakava | Acronis. |
| 12:33.35 | kavakava | Also, the server where I took the image from is dead, so I can't see what module that is used. And last time I googled I didn't find what module that was needed. Any other way to find out what module I should modprobe? |
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| 12:34.10 | ootput | kavakava: lcpci -n | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 12:34.24 | babilen | lmaowaffle: "aptitude changelog" (although I am not sure if that is implemented in the etch version) |
| 12:34.28 | ootput | should give you a fair idea of which module is needed, if it's supported under linux |
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| 12:34.44 | kavakava | ootput: Awesome. Thanks! |
| 12:34.59 | kavakava | Why have I never seen that page before. :-P |
| 12:35.29 | babilen | kavakava: It hasn't been mentioned to you earlier :) |
| 12:35.31 | ootput | most likely because others have you convinced that more work is actually needed ;) |
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| 12:36.55 | superlinux | hi. how can I add a vocabulary to my dict server? i found a missing word |
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| 12:37.20 | ootput | kavakava: do the 2 identical servers have the onboard nic enabled (in bios) ? |
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| 12:38.23 | lmaowaffle | babilen: okay |
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| 12:40.27 | kavakava | ootput: Yes. |
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| 12:47.19 | antgel | looking for an imovie-type app. what i want to do is pretty similar. create a video with some audio file, and a static image file, sort of like you see on youtube for songs with no video |
| 12:47.35 | antgel | looking at avidemux but it's over my head, not sure if it's the right thing |
| 12:47.44 | antgel | in particular, i have no video source file |
| 12:47.55 | antgel | i just want to use a .jpg ( or .jpgs ) |
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| 12:50.43 | ootput | jpg would be looped into video, iinm |
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| 12:51.04 | ootput | do you need a gui? |
| 12:51.29 | quhan | hello, is there some one can help me to use bluetooth headset? |
| 12:51.54 | thewanderer1 | quhan, does it support A2DP profile? |
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| 12:52.19 | quhan | yes |
| 12:52.33 | quhan | my headset is Nokia BH-503 |
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| 12:53.16 | quhan | I google for the helps |
| 12:53.18 | antgel | ootput: gui would be nice, as then i could get into video editing a bit. but not essential. just trying cinerella now, looks incredibly complex - got my audio in, dropped a .jpg in but it only shows for one frame |
| 12:53.30 | quhan | but get no useful thing |
| 12:53.49 | quhan | I use Debian, and my kernel is 2.6.32 |
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| 12:55.28 | quhan | thewanderer1, could you suggest me something? |
| 12:57.11 | thewanderer1 | quhan: search for ALSA a2dp bluetooth |
| 12:57.30 | ootput | antgel: cinelerra has one of the worst interfaces in the history of software development |
| 12:57.41 | ootput | can't deny it's awesomeness, though (particularly for free software) |
| 12:58.26 | thewanderer1 | quhan, in particular, look at the bluez-alsa package, and read its documentation |
| 12:58.27 | ootput | antgel: loop the jpg for video for the duration of the audio |
| 12:58.48 | quhan | thewanderer1, should I install Bluetooth-alsa. |
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| 12:59.43 | thewanderer1 | qugan, I see no such thing as bluetooth-alsa, rather bluez-alsa I think |
| 12:59.47 | thewanderer1 | it's in the packages |
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| 13:01.34 | quhan | thewanderer1, have install bluez-alsa |
| 13:01.47 | dutchfish | hi, using soundkonverter to convert to mp3 somehow failed, while converting to mp2 does work, squeeze/amd64, i need some way to convert for mp3 player which cant play mp2 nor other formats, any clues? |
| 13:02.20 | jpinx-eeepc | dutchfish: ffpmeg |
| 13:02.37 | quhan | thewanderer1, I can do nothing after installing. No execuse file in this package |
| 13:02.38 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish, mp3 is a restricted format and ffmpeg won't help you with that, unless you install some patented crap |
| 13:02.47 | dutchfish | jpinx-eeepc: yes, soundkonverter is using ffmpef backend already, thats why i am confused. |
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| 13:02.57 | dutchfish | ffmpeg* |
| 13:02.57 | thewanderer1 | quhan, try this howto http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothAlsa |
| 13:03.15 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish, ffmpeg in debian main section is free software |
| 13:03.18 | thewanderer1 | mp3 is non-free |
| 13:03.44 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: i am aware of that, so lame i refuse to use. |
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| 13:04.38 | dutchfish | i just wanted to know if there is some way to encode mp3 the open source way |
| 13:04.54 | antgel | ootput: worked out how to do it with cinelerra, just drag the picture length in the timeline (have to zoom the timeline first to see the single frame .jpg!) |
| 13:05.17 | antgel | ootput: i suppose it's not really designed for .jpgs, but it works. maybe now i learn a bit about transitions. |
| 13:05.25 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish, if it were, the inventor would get sued... there are even legal fights over PLAYING mp3 now. with OGG you are on the safe side though |
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| 13:05.47 | thewanderer1 | (the joy of intellectual property...) |
| 13:05.54 | antgel | i agree the interface is utterly backward, but if it's powerful i'll get into it. i mean, i used to use cubase a long time ago :D |
| 13:06.09 | antgel | ootput: when you say loop the .jpg, what do you mean? |
| 13:06.13 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: yep, too bad the device doesnt play that, so i need a hammer and find a device that does support ogg |
| 13:06.50 | dutchfish | thewanderer1, jpinx-eeepc but thanks a bunch for the quick reply ! |
| 13:07.04 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: true... just find one that doesn't require you to use MTP - that sucks |
| 13:07.12 | dutchfish | true |
| 13:07.31 | antgel | dutchfish: i still use an iriver H340 but with rockbox, several devices can play vorbis |
| 13:07.52 | antgel | i use rockbox on the H340 as well but the factory firmware also supports ogg |
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| 13:08.02 | thewanderer1 | I've seen a Samsung U5 switch to MTP mode at a random time, with no apparent reason and without a way to turn it back to mass storage mode... it switched itself back though, without a word on it in the doc |
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| 13:09.05 | dutchfish | i *was* using also a samsung device, i killed it with a hammer, period. |
| 13:09.31 | dutchfish | (there where other issues as well btw) |
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| 13:10.27 | dutchfish | sorry for my ramblings ... |
| 13:10.54 | dutchfish | antgel: thanks for the tip |
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| 13:16.05 | quhan | thewanderer1, it said "apt-get install bluez-utils bluez-gnome bluetooth-alsa", but no bluetooth-alsa package in source, should I install it manually or this article is old? |
| 13:16.35 | thewanderer1 | quhan, this is old, get bluez-alsa instead of bluetooth-alsa, but the next steps are the same |
| 13:17.43 | artagnon | On Debian Sid, fglrx 10-6-1 is completely broken. fglrxinfo segfaults with the trace http://pastie.org/1049293 -- I want to make sure that's it's reproducible before filing a bug report on bugs.debian.org |
| 13:17.52 | quhan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.20 | thewanderer1 | quhan, perhaps try something else instead of mplayer |
| 13:20.50 | artagnon | brb, testing. |
| 13:23.11 | quhan | thewanderer1, xmms is not work too. And after I start the a2dpd, will my headset be list in "hcitool con"? |
| 13:23.45 | thewanderer1 | quhan, should be |
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| 13:24.31 | fxiny | try xmms2 |
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| 13:26.59 | quhan | thewanderer1, "hcitool con" list no my headset. And I got a Error line in mplayer output: "[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm.c:2171:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_a2dpd.so" |
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| 13:32.27 | cristi8 | hi. I need a charting/ploting/graph library for C. What is the process of finding a good one for my needs in Debian lenny? where do i search? |
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| 13:33.41 | aiyu | thewanderer1, babilen: i got my wifi set.... very small mistake , i did put the chords around my essid name in iwconfig wlan0 essid "mynetworkname" |
| 13:34.09 | babilen | aiyu: yay! |
| 13:34.16 | babilen | !win aiyu |
| 13:34.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, aiyu! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 13:34.19 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, that's great |
| 13:34.29 | aiyu | hehehe :) |
| 13:34.55 | aiyu | shud i install network manager |
| 13:34.57 | thewanderer1 | now you can install network-manager and network-manager-gnome if you want to have a nice indicator |
| 13:35.05 | thewanderer1 | basically, it makes life simpler |
| 13:35.25 | babilen | or wicd ... |
| 13:35.27 | aiyu | ok, to network-manager and beyond :) |
| 13:35.55 | antgel | !tell cristi8 about search |
| 13:36.44 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, I'm just curious, what do you mean by chords around essid name? |
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| 13:37.21 | aiyu | thewanderer1: hehe :), i meant " |
| 13:37.25 | babilen | aiyu: Remember that you have to change your settings within /etc/network/interfaces for n-m to work and you need to be a member of the "netdev" group -- See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.* |
| 13:38.01 | aiyu | babilen- so what exactly shud get into interfaces |
| 13:38.31 | artagnon | My fglrx seems to be misbehaving -- Using the config from `aticonfig --initial`, it doesn't drive my monitor at a frequency that it can handle (monitor just blanks out). Error log: http://pastie.org/1049302 |
| 13:38.41 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, remove your wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces altogether |
| 13:38.57 | babilen | aiyu: Essentially only the stanza for your loopback device |
| 13:39.09 | aiyu | ok |
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| 13:39.57 | babilen | aiyu: But just comment it, so you can easily enable it if something goes wrong. And tell the guy who owns the access point to use WPA instead of WEP :) |
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| 13:40.50 | aiyu | babilen:k |
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| 13:52.24 | e-future | I have a Sata HDD that had a NTFS partition, I did dd on it to mirror a ext3 filesystem but then I broke it with Control + C, I had to reboot and now that HDD is not being detected by the kernel. Anyway I could recover it? |
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| 13:54.12 | thewanderer1 | e-future, if a disk is not detected by the kernel, it is a hardware error |
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| 13:55.13 | thewanderer1 | I suggest doing a cold reboot |
| 13:55.29 | e-future | All right. |
| 13:55.55 | e-future | thewanderer1: but it's detected by the BIOS. |
| 13:56.36 | thewanderer1 | e-future, then check dmesg looking for sda, and also perform cat /proc/partitions |
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| 13:57.37 | e-future | It's not there, all right, thanks. |
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| 13:58.20 | aiyu | thewanderer1:how cani launch network-manager |
| 13:58.39 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, launch it with /etc/init.d/network-manager start (as root) |
| 13:59.03 | babilen | aiyu: Just ALT-F2 -> "nm-applet" and make sure to execute "service network-manager start" beforehand |
| 13:59.16 | thewanderer1 | check what groups your user is in, look for 'netdev' |
| 13:59.17 | babilen | aiyu: although the last command might start the applet anyway |
| 13:59.40 | thewanderer1 | babilen, that would be really strange |
| 14:00.06 | babilen | thewanderer1: as in: "it might be started already, just not functioning as the underlying service is not working" |
| 14:00.27 | thewanderer1 | right... |
| 14:00.42 | babilen | but that would only happen after a login (and nm-applet started by some autostart automagic-something-vodoo) |
| 14:00.52 | thewanderer1 | it's called GNOME :P |
| 14:02.01 | aiyu | babilen : service is not a bash command, this is what i get, i am in as root |
| 14:02.23 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, run it with what I said, `/etc/init.d/network-manager start` |
| 14:02.43 | thewanderer1 | service is so RedHat-ish |
| 14:02.47 | babilen | Is 'service' not available in lenny? |
| 14:02.50 | aiyu | thewanderer1: i did that and i didnt see a window |
| 14:03.11 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, dont worry, now run `groups` as your user, not root |
| 14:03.24 | babilen | aiyu: You should see a little icon in your panel -- if there is none just ALT-F2 -> "nm-applet" |
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| 14:05.00 | aiyu | thewanderer1: how to run groups, whats the command |
| 14:05.11 | babilen | aiyu: the command is "groups" |
| 14:05.13 | thewanderer1 | `groups` |
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| 14:05.38 | thewanderer1 | it should output a list of groups, check if it reads 'netdev' among them |
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| 14:06.27 | aiyu | yes it does when i am not root |
| 14:06.32 | thewanderer1 | okay |
| 14:06.51 | thewanderer1 | so if you run nm-applet, do you see a network-manager icon in the notification area (system tray)? |
| 14:06.56 | babilen | great ... can you execute "nm-applet"? |
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| 14:09.10 | thewanderer1 | guys, I've got a tricky question... I want to boot Debian over PXE, but Linux doesn't have my Ethernet firmware (r8169)... assuming that it gets an IP from DHCP and succeeds to load the initrd, do I need to include the firmware for my system to boot from NFS? |
| 14:09.14 | aiyu | i dint get anything |
| 14:09.39 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, do you see a wi-fi applet icon in your system tray? |
| 14:09.44 | aiyu | no |
| 14:10.08 | thewanderer1 | okay, run `nm-applet` in a console and see what it outputs |
| 14:10.17 | aiyu | yes got it |
| 14:10.28 | aiyu | in my tray i didnt have the notoification are activated |
| 14:10.34 | thewanderer1 | okay |
| 14:10.44 | thewanderer1 | click it and see if you can get a list of Wi-Fi networks |
| 14:10.45 | aiyu | thanks thewanderer1 and babilen |
| 14:10.51 | aiyu | yes , i can |
| 14:10.57 | aiyu | now its eaaasy' |
| 14:11.00 | thewanderer1 | ok, that should work for you with WEP :P |
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| 14:44.19 | JordiGH | Are there more games with Tux as a character? I've got a 10-year-old girl who loves Supertux, Tuxkart, and the Planetpenguin Racer or whatever it's called nowadays. |
| 14:45.07 | homie | nope |
| 14:45.11 | homie | tux is limited |
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| 14:45.46 | JordiGH | I guess there's Tuxtype, but I suspect she'll see through the blatant educational value of that one. |
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| 14:46.19 | homie | err that one is not bad i think |
| 14:46.21 | homie | lol |
| 14:46.23 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 14:50.51 | JordiGH | Oh, look: http://tux4kids.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:51.29 | JordiGH | Hm, all "educational" stuff, though. |
| 14:52.46 | petemc | tuxpaint |
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| 14:55.50 | ottermaton | In the install instructions for booting from a USB stick it says to cp vmlinuz and initrd.gz to the stick and then to copy an ISO to the USB stick. Is the ISO file they mention the boot.img.gz? (sorry if I'm being totally dense here) |
| 14:57.53 | JordiGH | Hm, latest aptitude in testing seems to emit more \r. |
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| 15:01.18 | babilen | ottermaton: The iso file would for example be the netinstall ISO |
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| 15:01.57 | homie | and it would already contain the initrd.gz |
| 15:02.04 | homie | and the vmlinuz |
| 15:02.23 | babilen | ottermaton: And why don't you just follow "The easy way" ? |
| 15:02.41 | homie | you just have to unpack it that way, such that it's size is not hardcoded after unpacking |
| 15:03.04 | homie | and really uses the space which is available on your stick |
| 15:03.15 | babilen | homie: What? Are you referring to the usb installation instructions? |
| 15:03.45 | homie | i unpacked once the netinstall iso image to my usb stick yes |
| 15:04.13 | homie | and it worked, the only thing was my missing driver for my nic |
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| 15:04.23 | babilen | great, but you are not meant to actually unpack/dd it, but to copy *the file* to the stick |
| 15:04.38 | homie | i had to copy it too |
| 15:05.32 | homie | yep, so loop mount the iso, make a partition on your stick, activate it, make it bootable, and then copy over the files from the loop mount point |
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| 15:06.38 | homie | and make sure your driver for your nick is in the netinstall image, or copy it manually (get the .deb) |
| 15:06.42 | babilen | no - you zcat the "boot.img.gz" to the stick and copy the ISO *file* to it |
| 15:07.00 | babilen | If your driver is not there, you can easily use the images from kmuto |
| 15:07.18 | ottermaton | babilen, These instructions are totally confusing to me. It seems like they're referring to a number of files but not explaining which files exactly and/or where to get them? |
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| 15:10.14 | thewanderer1 | lol, I've just used a network card without a firmware |
| 15:10.20 | babilen | ottermaton: Ok - go to http://debian.org -> Getting Debian/Netinstall (click the netinstall) -> Tiny USB ... -> arch -> hd-media |
| 15:11.03 | thewanderer1 | who would have thought PXE netboot initializes the network card without requiring firmware... |
| 15:11.24 | babilen | ottermaton: And download a netinstall ISO from Getting Debian/Netinstall -> Small CDs -> arch |
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| 15:12.09 | babilen | ottermaton: Are you using linux right now? |
| 15:12.21 | ottermaton | babilen, yes |
| 15:13.13 | thewanderer1 | is it possible to have NVIDIA and Intel graphics drivers on one system without causing any conflicts? |
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| 15:14.15 | babilen | ottermaton: Ok, then just follow the "The easy way" |
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| 15:15.01 | ottermaton | babilen, I think I see what's going on now a bit better. I had been skipping that section on Small CDs because of this line: "It is necessary to have access to a CD recorder in order to use this." |
| 15:15.52 | babilen | ottermaton: No, you need the ISO anyway - it will be used by the installer on the USB stick but you don't have to burn it as it is just mounted directly |
| 15:16.18 | babilen | Good luck - I'm off |
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| 15:18.43 | djura-san | o/ |
| 15:19.24 | thewanderer1 | anyone here tracking Sid? |
| 15:19.31 | JordiGH | \o |
| 15:19.43 | JordiGH | Well, filtered sid, a.k.a. testing |
| 15:19.50 | thewanderer1 | what desktop environment? |
| 15:19.54 | JordiGH | I don't get all the bugs, just most of them. |
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| 15:20.27 | thewanderer1 | do you use KDE, GNOME or sth exotic? |
| 15:20.39 | JordiGH | Cut to the chase. |
| 15:20.41 | JordiGH | !anyone |
| 15:20.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:21.20 | thewanderer1 | ok, I need to pick a stable desktop environment for testing and I am considering tracking sid, too |
| 15:21.33 | JordiGH | Only stable is stable. |
| 15:21.49 | JordiGH | testing is stable if you don't mind the occasional bug and the huge regular updates. |
| 15:22.11 | JordiGH | unstable is stable if you don't mind the frequent bugs and the ginormous regular updates. |
| 15:22.15 | thewanderer1 | can you comment on the stability of a desktop environment? GNOME? KDE? |
| 15:22.29 | JordiGH | They're both about equally stable. |
| 15:22.44 | thewanderer1 | that sounds intentionally ambigious :P |
| 15:22.50 | JordiGH | tias |
| 15:23.13 | lindi- | i mostly use gnome stuff but i have reported more kde bugs and almost all of them have been fixed |
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| 15:24.08 | thewanderer1 | JordiGH, lindi-, do you know how bug-free KDE/GNOME are currently in sid? or just in testing? |
| 15:24.26 | JordiGH | thewanderer1: http://bugs.debian.org/kde http://bugs.debian.org/gnome |
| 15:24.47 | JordiGH | Of course that's just the metapackage bugs. |
| 15:25.56 | thewanderer1 | thanks, looks like they're both pending a crashtest with my users |
| 15:26.10 | JordiGH | If you want stable, use stable. |
| 15:26.20 | lindi- | thewanderer1: no |
| 15:26.30 | lindi- | thewanderer1: but the BTS does? |
| 15:26.58 | djura-san | thewanderer1: try out xfce. it's very stable now |
| 15:27.42 | thewanderer1 | okay, I'll check it out |
| 15:28.49 | djura-san | so may i ask again here about this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53729 |
| 15:28.52 | djura-san | ? |
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| 15:29.37 | djura-san | I dont wanna use ubuntu or some other distros but to tell you the truth im a little lired these days to actually digg much for solutions :| |
| 15:29.44 | djura-san | *tired |
| 15:30.04 | lindi- | djura-san: then use stable |
| 15:30.25 | djura-san | lindi-: i think about that a lot these days |
| 15:30.42 | lindi- | I usually use stable + unstable chroot everywhere |
| 15:31.02 | lindi- | in December I started testing squeeze at work and I have some regrets, I keep hitting a bug every week :) |
| 15:31.10 | djura-san | :> |
| 15:31.31 | djura-san | well i can download debian lanny gnome cd i guess |
| 15:31.38 | lindi- | livecd? |
| 15:32.03 | djura-san | i think that there is no easy option to install from live cd right? |
| 15:32.11 | djura-san | so installation disk #1 :) |
| 15:32.13 | thewanderer1 | djura-san, there is... |
| 15:32.30 | thewanderer1 | djura-san, it's a matter of a few commands if you know what you're doing |
| 15:32.30 | djura-san | yea? :o |
| 15:32.56 | thewanderer1 | I'm actually surprised nobody has written a userspace installer for Debian with GTK |
| 15:33.04 | djura-san | i watched those commands for debian xfce live disk but boy that was boring :| |
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| 15:33.35 | lindi- | thewanderer1: you can run the normal installer from livecd |
| 15:33.42 | lindi- | thewanderer1: there's no reason to duplicate the code |
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| 15:33.57 | djura-san | that is a nice option |
| 15:34.02 | thewanderer1 | lindi-, I didn't know you could do that, I thought it requires a d-i kernel |
| 15:34.13 | lindi- | thewanderer1: not in squeeze anymore afaik |
| 15:34.17 | djura-san | is off to get torrent for that livecd :) |
| 15:34.35 | thewanderer1 | and I was thinking more of an ubuntu-installer-like thing, testing the system and installing at the same time |
| 15:35.40 | lindi- | thewanderer1: but you can do that with the solution I mentioned |
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| 15:36.04 | lindi- | I guess I should test this |
| 15:36.09 | lindi- | since squeeze keeps changing fast |
| 15:36.34 | djura-san | um, debian installation disc #1 contains gnome right? |
| 15:36.46 | thewanderer1 | djura-san, yes |
| 15:36.51 | djura-san | okay, ty |
| 15:37.22 | ottermaton | Can anyone tell me why I'd be getting / how to correct this error: sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb bash: /dev/sdb: Permission denied |
| 15:38.44 | thewanderer1 | you're not catting that as root |
| 15:38.47 | thewanderer1 | well you are |
| 15:38.54 | thewanderer1 | but not writing as root |
| 15:39.09 | lindi- | ottermaton: you don't need root privileges for reading boot.img.gz |
| 15:39.17 | gnoob | whats the best way of disable or uninstall netatalk? Looks like this is some mac filsharing I dont need ? I need samba and server will substitude a windows file server |
| 15:39.32 | thewanderer1 | ottermaton, look, the > operator runs in the context of bash, which runs as your user, not root |
| 15:39.33 | lindi- | ottermaton: zcat boot.img.gz | sudo sh -c 'cat > /dev/sdb' |
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| 15:41.35 | ottermaton | lindi-, ah, that did it. thewanderer1: thanks for the insight on how that > operator works |
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| 15:42.09 | djura-san | tell me where i can see list of packages included on first debian installation disc? |
| 15:42.30 | lindi- | djura-san: are you installing stable? |
| 15:42.40 | djura-san | yes |
| 15:42.49 | djura-san | time to get rid of unstable :) |
| 15:43.13 | lindi- | djura-san: download it and look at the package list? ;) |
| 15:43.26 | djura-san | other than that? :> |
| 15:43.36 | lindi- | not sure |
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| 15:46.09 | thewanderer1 | djura-san, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/amd64/list-cd/ |
| 15:46.22 | thewanderer1 | change the arch to what you need |
| 15:46.31 | thewanderer1 | and list-cd to list-dvd if you mean the DVD |
| 15:46.52 | djura-san | ty thewanderer1 :D |
| 15:46.52 | thewanderer1 | you'll find package lists there |
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| 15:48.34 | thewanderer1 | guys, do we have any tools in Debian suitable for bootstrapping OpenSUSE or Fedora chroot? |
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| 15:59.26 | _ke | i just installed zsh on lenny, but /bin/zsh is missing, i just can find /bin/zsh4. any clue? |
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| 16:00.41 | thewanderer1 | _ke, why don't you link it? |
| 16:00.48 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching zsh |
| 16:00.57 | _ke | thewanderer1, that should be done automatically? |
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| 16:01.18 | _ke | moldovean, i have it installed ;) |
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| 16:01.36 | wald0 | there's any application for record mouse/keyboard events and replay them ? |
| 16:01.46 | lindi- | _ke: ls -l /etc/alternatives | grep zsh |
| 16:01.57 | thewanderer1 | _ke, I guess it should, but you can make a link if you need... ln -s /bin/zsh4 /bin/zsh |
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| 16:02.26 | _ke | lindi-, ksh, rzsh and zsh pointing to /bin/zsh4 |
| 16:03.17 | lindi- | _ke: ok, so for some reason the link from zsh to /etc/alternatives/zsh is missing |
| 16:03.52 | _ke | lindi-, now what could the reason be? |
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| 16:05.03 | nakeee | it seems that to mount my usb dok on gnome I need /proc/pid/sessionid any idea which kernel option needs to be on for that? |
| 16:05.59 | lindi- | _ke: a bug |
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| 16:11.14 | mms_ | I am doing debian install again. earlier i know it used sky2 for my onboard ethernet from marvell but now during install if I choose sky2 its saying no ethernet card was detected. |
| 16:12.01 | thewanderer1 | mms_, have you loaded addinational modules in the installer? |
| 16:12.06 | thewanderer1 | like the extra nic stuff |
| 16:12.45 | fxiny | _ke: what : type zsh reports ? |
| 16:13.21 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I am not sure about your question....I am just starting the install...gone through the language, region selection and now at ethernet driver |
| 16:13.33 | _ke | fxiny, pardon? |
| 16:13.45 | fxiny | _ke: in a term type : type zsh |
| 16:14.04 | _ke | fxiny, type zsh |
| 16:14.05 | _ke | -su: typetype zsh |
| 16:14.05 | _ke | -su: type: zsh: not found |
| 16:14.05 | _ke | : zsh: not found |
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| 16:14.20 | mms_ | it comes back no ethernet card was detected. |
| 16:14.31 | mms_ | so need to choose driver |
| 16:14.38 | fxiny | _ke: purge it and reistall it with aptitude |
| 16:14.52 | fxiny | because it works |
| 16:15.58 | _ke | fxiny, aptitude purge zsh; aptitude install zsh, still no /bin/zsh |
| 16:16.16 | DusteD | okay, quick ssh question, an outside box has made a reverse tunnel into my server, so now my server is listening on localhost:5900 (great), and I can say hello to his server by nc localhost 5900 on the server |
| 16:16.34 | fxiny | can you put your sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 16:16.36 | DusteD | problem is, I can't connect to my server on that port (because it's only listening on localhost??) |
| 16:16.56 | fxiny | just did it without a single problem |
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| 16:17.02 | mms_ | thewanderer1: I remember this problem....I have to restart... |
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| 16:17.45 | lindi- | DusteD: you need -g on both ends I think |
| 16:17.49 | _ke | fxiny, http://nopaste.info/ae44117f75.html |
| 16:17.52 | DusteD | aaah |
| 16:18.04 | lindi- | DusteD: and possibly server configuration change to allow it |
| 16:18.26 | mms_ | I had this problem earlier too and then doing multiple times trial and error it would work |
| 16:18.44 | mms_ | network config succeeded ! |
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| 16:21.02 | _ke | fxiny, any idea? |
| 16:21.11 | fxiny | _ke: the repo is ok , must be your system |
| 16:21.30 | fxiny | i got it from there and it works just fine |
| 16:21.44 | _ke | fxiny, indeed. i am recovering from a disk crash. any hint where i could have a look? |
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| 16:22.09 | fxiny | _ke: try running debsums |
| 16:22.18 | DusteD | lindi-, I solved it, simply made another reverse tunnel from the server to the local box where I'm sitting |
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| 16:23.34 | _ke | fxiny, everything ok! |
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| 16:26.02 | fxiny | _ke: /usr/bin/zsh is a symlink : /usr/bin/zsh: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/zsh-usrbin' and /etc/alternatives/zsh-usrbin is /etc/alternatives/zsh-usrbin: symbolic link to `/bin/zsh4' |
| 16:26.23 | _ke | fxiny, indeed, but something seems wron on generating that symlink on the installation |
| 16:26.39 | _ke | fxiny, what zsh packages do you have installed? |
| 16:26.58 | fxiny | _ke: lenny 4.3.6-6 |
| 16:27.21 | jordanm | _ke: it just runs update-alternatives --set foo when it sets those things. if your symlink is not there, update-alternatives |
| 16:27.37 | gnoob | I dont think that Ill need netatalk running on my server. This is something that can be uninstalled without problems? |
| 16:28.06 | _ke | jordanm, that the installation doesn do this automatically tells me that i have a problem somewhere |
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| 16:28.35 | jordanm | _ke: pastebin your command and the output! |
| 16:29.12 | moldovean | paste the 'problem somewhere' |
| 16:29.14 | _ke | jordanm, the installation process you mean? |
| 16:29.39 | jordanm | _ke: sure, wherever the error was |
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| 16:29.54 | _ke | jordanm, i dont get any error, just there is no symlink where one should be |
| 16:30.27 | jordanm | _ke: does update-alternative fails? did the package run update-alternatives in its postinst script? |
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| 16:31.44 | jordanm | _ke: you can find its postinst in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst |
| 16:31.55 | jordanm | 2010-07-18 12:29 < _ke> jordanm, the installation process you mean? |
| 16:32.00 | _ke | jordanm, how can i tell if aptitude gives me no output about postinst? |
| 16:32.02 | jordanm | sorry about paste |
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| 16:32.10 | _ke | jordanm, there is of course a postinst script |
| 16:32.23 | jordanm | _ke: update-alternatives give output, so it wasn't apart of that package |
| 16:32.40 | jordanm | _ke: yes, but whats in it? was it supossed to do what you expected? |
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| 16:33.20 | _ke | jordanm, im missing /bin/zsh. that symlink is created in the postinst file of zsh using update-alternatives |
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| 16:34.04 | jordanm | _ke: do you actually see that in the postinst? |
| 16:34.46 | _ke | jordanm, line 21 in /var/lib/dpkg/info/zsh.postinst: update-alternatives --install /bin/zsh zsh /bin/zsh4 ... |
| 16:34.52 | jordanm | _ke: without some type of error, besides "it doesn't work", you are not going to make any progress |
| 16:35.24 | mms_ | hi I am setting up partition layout for 8GB space as /boot 256MB ext2, rest / ext3 sounds ok ? |
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| 16:35.43 | _ke | jordanm, on aptitude purge zsh i now get this 2 times: Use of uninitialized value $linkname in string eq at /usr/sbin/update-alternatives line 486. |
| 16:35.55 | jordanm | _ke: that writes to /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives . --install is still not --config or --set |
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| 16:36.10 | fxiny | mms_: where's the sqwap ? |
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| 16:36.21 | jordanm | _ke: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:36.22 | mms_ | fxiny: can it be in / itself ? |
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| 16:36.31 | _ke | jordanm, lenny |
| 16:36.31 | fxiny | as a file ? |
| 16:36.36 | mms_ | fxiny: yes |
| 16:36.47 | fxiny | if you like that |
| 16:36.58 | fxiny | yes. is possible |
| 16:36.59 | mms_ | fxiny: as long as its not bad thing to do |
| 16:37.12 | mms_ | fxiny: then you think my partition fs types ok ? |
| 16:37.23 | mms_ | fxiny: ext2 for /boot and ext3 for / |
| 16:37.29 | fxiny | yes . boot ext2 |
| 16:37.29 | jordanm | mms_: I have always dones 100mb /boot. so you can cut back a bit being so little space |
| 16:37.43 | mms_ | jordanm: ok.. |
| 16:37.43 | _ke | jordanm, any idea what i could try? |
| 16:38.11 | fxiny | i have 99M ;) |
| 16:38.16 | jordanm | _ke: did anything happened when you manually run the update-alterntives command I asked you to run 10min ago? |
| 16:38.18 | fxiny | i save a dime |
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| 16:39.10 | mms_ | do I have to set bootable on ? |
| 16:39.18 | jordanm | no |
| 16:39.26 | mms_ | ok and label ? |
| 16:39.33 | jordanm | your preference |
| 16:39.39 | _ke | jordanm, you mean the --foo or without any args? |
| 16:39.39 | mms_ | call it boot ? |
| 16:39.45 | fxiny | and root is only 3.5G , moving stuff around at any kernel compile :P |
| 16:39.45 | moldovean | test zsh install |
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| 16:39.53 | jordanm | _ke: update-alterntives --config ksh |
| 16:40.24 | mms_ | label is for fs in this partition....may be should make it ext2 then |
| 16:40.28 | _ke | jordanm, There is only 1 program which provides zsh\n(/bin/zsh4). Nothing to configure. |
| 16:40.31 | fxiny | just think how hard is a dist-upgrade with 3.5 ... |
| 16:40.39 | moldovean | _ke, ls -al /bin/zsh , says ? |
| 16:40.55 | _ke | moldovean, No such file or directory |
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| 16:40.59 | moldovean | _ke, ls -al /etc/alternatives/zsh , says ? |
| 16:41.14 | _ke | moldovean, No such file or directory |
| 16:41.17 | moldovean | _ke, i just instellesd it and it is ther |
| 16:41.25 | jordanm | moldovean: you can use "readlink" |
| 16:41.27 | moldovean | e |
| 16:41.31 | mms_ | for / do I need to set bootable flag ? |
| 16:41.55 | mms_ | I guess linux does not care....grub will not care... |
| 16:41.56 | _ke | moldovean, i know, i want to track down why that is |
| 16:41.57 | jordanm | _ke: do all these filesystems you are using support symlinks? |
| 16:42.00 | moldovean | _ke, here lenny too |
| 16:42.04 | fxiny | dunno why i like suggesting type type zsh ;) |
| 16:42.27 | moldovean | _ke, your system is bad , |
| 16:42.39 | mms_ | jordanm: for / do I need to set bootable ? |
| 16:42.41 | _ke | jordanm, both /bin and /etc are on the same partition |
| 16:42.46 | jordanm | mms_: no, nothing needs bootable flag when you install grub to mbr |
| 16:42.51 | mms_ | ok |
| 16:42.52 | _ke | moldovean, i know, i recovered from a diskcrash |
| 16:43.02 | jordanm | _ke: which is what kind of filesystem? |
| 16:43.10 | moldovean | _ke, reinstall it |
| 16:43.11 | fxiny | _ke: i don't want to know anything about crash ;) |
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| 16:43.17 | fxiny | jordanm: ;) |
| 16:43.19 | _ke | jordanm, ext3 |
| 16:44.30 | mmnicolas | ive searched and i really can't find a good reason why does the flashplugin-nonfree package deletes the existing and working flash plugin |
| 16:44.35 | mms_ | its warning that swap not selected.... |
| 16:44.46 | mmnicolas | its a dist-upgrade, not supposed to delete anything right ? |
| 16:45.11 | mmnicolas | it happenned to a friend running lenny a few weeks ago, not it just happenned to me in squeeze |
| 16:45.42 | mms_ | fxiny: its warning that swap not selected....I can go ahead and it will create swap in / ? |
| 16:46.05 | moldovean | mms_, no |
| 16:46.27 | mms_ | moldovean: what to do then ? how much swap ? I have 1G ram. |
| 16:47.07 | moldovean | mms_, add a ~500MB swap |
| 16:47.11 | fxiny | mms_: can't remember now about the swap file option . i always do a swap partition |
| 16:47.20 | mms_ | ok |
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| 16:47.41 | moldovean | mms_, and a /home ~ 5 GB |
| 16:47.54 | moldovean | or less |
| 16:48.07 | fxiny | mms_: how much you have in all ? |
| 16:48.10 | mms_ | moldovean: I have only 7.9G from which first I will make swap and then rest for / |
| 16:48.29 | fxiny | mms_: right . my / is 3.5 |
| 16:48.41 | mms_ | swap is made before / ? |
| 16:48.54 | moldovean | mms_, no |
| 16:49.03 | mms_ | ok then first / and then swap ? |
| 16:49.03 | thewanderer1 | how do I fix the warning about untrusted packages in apt, anyone? |
| 16:49.09 | moldovean | no |
| 16:49.15 | fxiny | a bit tight for kernel compile . i move stuff back to home when i need more space |
| 16:49.19 | mms_ | moldovean: what ? |
| 16:49.23 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.47 | mms_ | moldovean: how about I keep home in / itself ? |
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| 16:49.55 | mms_ | moldovean: I have less space right ? |
| 16:50.00 | moldovean | not good ideea |
| 16:50.38 | mms_ | moldovean: ok then 4 G root, 3 G home and rest swap ? |
| 16:50.43 | tbsaunde | thewanderer1: install the package that has the gpg keys (debian-keyring or something then apt-get update | aptitude update |
| 16:50.52 | thewanderer1 | ok, thanks |
| 16:51.02 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.12 | fxiny | mms_: no : i suggest 100 /boot 500MB sqwap partition 4G / and /home the rest |
| 16:51.17 | mms_ | moldovean: 4.5 /, 3 home, swap rest... |
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| 16:51.31 | fxiny | mms_: 4.5 is large |
| 16:51.56 | mms_ | ok 4,3 rest |
| 16:51.57 | moldovean | fxiny, nno any needs for /boot |
| 16:51.57 | fxiny | mms_: look mine /dev/mapper/root 3.5G 2.5G 839M 76% / |
| 16:52.09 | fxiny | mms_: he wanted boot |
| 16:52.15 | moldovean | ? |
| 16:52.22 | mms_ | fxiny: boot is done... |
| 16:52.24 | moldovean | aol scheme |
| 16:52.26 | gnoob | I have 4 big disks with raid5. all disks have no# partition as 200Mb ext2. but sda1 has /boot and grub to mbr. I want to raid them up so if sda fails another disk will take over.. I did try to write mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1, but im told that sda1: Device or resource busy.. Any suggestions? |
| 16:52.30 | moldovean | old* |
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| 16:52.49 | gnoob | no# .. ehh "number 1" |
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| 16:53.48 | fxiny | moldovean: i was a multipatitioning maniac . in the past . now i have boot only in my crypto system . duno why he wants boot |
| 16:53.57 | puty | hi. some good mailbomber? |
| 16:54.18 | fxiny | puty: royal mail ? |
| 16:55.01 | mms_ | I have 2.4 GB left then ....if I choose 3, 2.5, rest... |
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| 16:55.29 | mms_ | so I guess I better choose 4,3, .9 G |
| 16:55.52 | fxiny | 2.4 ? not enough for torrents ! |
| 16:55.54 | mms_ | moldovean: you agree ? |
| 16:55.59 | moldovean | fxiny, mms_ separate boot on such "big" disk is a vaste space |
| 16:56.14 | mms_ | moldovean: boot is just 100MB |
| 16:56.20 | fxiny | moldovean: it is . but he wanted it |
| 16:56.26 | moldovean | .. |
| 16:56.39 | mms_ | moldovean: you think even 100MB is huge ? |
| 16:56.44 | fxiny | mms_: 99M 22M 73M 23% /boot |
| 16:57.01 | gnoob | do i need to unmount /boot partition? :) and then raid them up I guess..? and then change fstab... sounds good? |
| 16:57.04 | fxiny | waisting 70MB |
| 16:57.33 | mms_ | moldovean: I feel 2.4 /swap is too much.... |
| 16:57.40 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.57 | moldovean | enlarge home |
| 16:58.02 | fxiny | 2.4 ? 500MB is enouf |
| 16:58.21 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.28 | mms_ | moldovean: but mostly I would install all deb packages in / ? |
| 16:58.30 | fxiny | or go for a file swap |
| 16:58.46 | mms_ | moldovean: then why more space for /home ? |
| 16:59.00 | moldovean | mms_, mp3 ? |
| 16:59.03 | fxiny | because of entertainment ? |
| 16:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.53 | mms_ | moldovean: its my personal netbook...I dont think I will have much accounts on it....and better I give more to / for installing s/w... |
| 16:59.57 | moldovean | mms_, my .mp3 is ~ 12 GB |
| 17:00.01 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: enouf is my blood brother |
| 17:00.22 | moldovean | enouf .. |
| 17:00.34 | fxiny | actually a pII bros |
| 17:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you just killed him |
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| 17:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now pretend to |
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| 17:01.27 | fxiny | me killing enouf ? |
| 17:01.31 | fxiny | no way |
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| 17:02.01 | moldovean | fxiny, killed enouf ? too sad |
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| 17:02.55 | mms_ | moldovean: one problem...I already have ntfs primary....so I can have now long 3 more primary....boot, / and home already primary so now ? |
| 17:03.09 | mms_ | moldovean: it says the rest is not usable... |
| 17:03.54 | fxiny | moldovean: hahah is always in my top window -> [ fxiny] [ xeon-enouf] , i bet he's sleeping as usual |
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| 17:04.38 | moldovean | mms_, arrange partitions to fill 3 all primary |
| 17:05.06 | moldovean | fxiny, hehe |
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| 17:05.35 | mms_ | moldovean: sorry did nto get yo......Primary /boot 100MB, Primary / 7G, Primary /swap rest ? |
| 17:06.06 | moldovean | mms_, stop that /boot |
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| 17:06.22 | mms_ | moldovean: what stop ? |
| 17:06.25 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.47 | gnoob | anyone have time to give a little help on raiding up my /boot partition to raid 1? Ive got 4 huge disks with sd[a..d]1 (all 200Mb ext2). sda1 is mounted as /boot and got grub on mbr.. So Ive got three partitions empty with 200Mb and ext2 ready for raiding :) |
| 17:06.48 | mms_ | moldovean: can you give complete layout ? |
| 17:06.49 | moldovean | stop using |
| 17:07.16 | moldovean | just calculate yourself ... |
| 17:07.28 | fxiny | moldovean: me and friends were busy , time ago , looking for him when he disappered . i had the worse experience in my life when i had to ask about him in a chan owned by aja-nil-ston . don't want to say more , is totally OT :)) |
| 17:07.41 | gnoob | "mdadm --create /dev/md3 -l1 -n2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1" ... I did try this but sda1 is busy.. naturally.. since i havent unmounted it.. but im a bit afraid of damaging stuff and would like a little hint to keep on working.. :) |
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| 17:07.50 | mms_ | moldovean: root 4, home 3, rest swap ? all three primary and NO boot ? |
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| 17:08.17 | moldovean | mms_, agree |
| 17:08.22 | mms_ | ok |
| 17:09.07 | moldovean | fxiny, you know , we loved him |
| 17:09.34 | fxiny | mms_: keep swap last so if you haev problems you can switch to file swap enlarging home |
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| 17:10.16 | fxiny | moldovean: glad to hear that , really missing him , he's there but silent |
| 17:10.24 | mms_ | fxiny: thanks...done that...I am now thinking where will boot stay ? |
| 17:10.29 | mms_ | I guess in / ? |
| 17:10.35 | fxiny | mms_: yes |
| 17:10.38 | mms_ | ok |
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| 17:13.55 | fxiny | mms_: how much ram do you have ? |
| 17:14.02 | moldovean | 1 BG |
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| 17:14.22 | fxiny | so a swap file can help |
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| 17:17.43 | moldovean | looks to his cluster pii+i @450 MHz |
| 17:17.46 | thewanderer1 | I'm having a problem with KDE performance on NFS... it doesn't generate I/O operations, it shows almost no %wait in top, but applications take an incredibly long time to start... |
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| 17:17.57 | fxiny | moldovean: 450 ? |
| 17:18.01 | moldovean | yes |
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| 17:18.22 | kre10s | lol #debain has no members.. |
| 17:18.40 | moldovean | !debain |
| 17:18.40 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 17:18.58 | mmnicolas | haha |
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| 17:19.17 | kre10s | :P How can I simulate a restart? that is for alsa only? to load new modprobe settigs? |
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| 17:19.29 | kre10s | without actually doing the physical restart? |
| 17:20.01 | mmnicolas | rmmod themodule |
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| 17:20.47 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.48 | mmnicolas | then modprobe settingsettingsetting themodule no ? :P |
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| 17:20.53 | kre10s | is there no script that will do all that for me? /etc/init... |
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| 17:21.28 | thewanderer1 | kre10s: /etc/init.d/reboot |
| 17:21.30 | mmnicolas | it will only restart the service |
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| 17:22.03 | mmnicolas | alt+pntscrn+r,e,i,s,u |
| 17:22.21 | mmnicolas | then telinit 4 |
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| 17:26.33 | gnoob | "bootale flag" is not needed at all with grub right? |
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| 17:32.21 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, I always set it, I think it is... |
| 17:32.46 | thewanderer1 | now, is nfs4 supposed to work in Squeeze? |
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| 17:36.00 | WaterRatj | Is there a way to run an installtion of debian to install it on usb-stick? |
| 17:37.16 | lindi- | WaterRatj: the installer cd can install to usb stick |
| 17:37.46 | gnoob | ok thanks thewanderer1 |
| 17:39.45 | WaterRatj | i ment install from within windows |
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| 17:43.42 | kurkale6ka | Hi, how can I burn an audio dvd? I always get a growisofs error? |
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| 17:50.22 | kre10s | anyone can give me some tips for making my headphone jack work? I have: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 17:51.09 | kre10s | It works when I modprobe snd_hda_intel, but the headphone jack sense does not work, or play sound. |
| 17:51.11 | jelly-home | streuner: logging off and back on will start a different dbus session and porbably fix the issue |
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| 17:54.09 | dondelelcaro | kre10s: run alsamixer, and make sure the headphone mute is enabled, and that the headphones levels themselves are elevated |
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| 17:55.26 | kre10s | In alsamixer I have only "Master" "PCM" and "Digital" (mic) |
| 17:55.49 | kre10s | all are up at ~80%, none muted. |
| 17:56.41 | kre10s | I think this is a problem having to do with the driver im using, but running alsaconf does nothing to aleviate the problem |
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| 18:11.33 | kre10s | damn... anyone else have a VGN-FZ290 sony laptop? with working sound? |
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| 18:13.54 | babilen | kre10s: no, you are the only one. - What is the problem? |
| 18:14.32 | kre10s | sound works as i have it now, minus the headphone jack. |
| 18:14.42 | kre10s | I suspect it is a configuration problem. |
| 18:15.27 | kre10s | I KNOW it is a configuration problem... I had it working once before in ubuntu. |
| 18:15.39 | kre10s | untill the hd went |
| 18:15.41 | babilen | you might have two different channels for internal speakers and headphones. Have you checked that all applicable channels are unmuted in alsamixer? |
| 18:16.03 | kre10s | i only have one channel |
| 18:16.34 | kre10s | well... two sliders pcm which feeds into master... |
| 18:16.48 | babilen | no headphone channel? |
| 18:17.16 | kre10s | nope. never seen this mysterius one :P |
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| 18:19.28 | babilen | even if you hit tab? |
| 18:19.59 | kre10s | nope I'm on tab "all" now, and all it adds is the digital input for recording. |
| 18:20.00 | fxiny | kre10s: hd went ? a crash ? found alsamixer levels changed ? |
| 18:20.03 | babilen | I'm not saying that it *has* to be there, it might just be that the headphones are muted .. |
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| 18:20.46 | kre10s | fxiny: the hd died, and i replaced it with a new one. installing debian. |
| 18:21.17 | kre10s | babilen: how can I unmute the channel if i don't have a button for it? |
| 18:21.24 | fxiny | kre10s: and the sound never worked ? |
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| 18:21.54 | kre10s | fxiny: I am listening to music now, but using the built in speakers. |
| 18:22.07 | kre10s | the sound worked perfectly in ubuntu. |
| 18:22.37 | fxiny | kre10s: my old hd gives me porbs with alsa , this fixes it : dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:23.04 | fxiny | couple of times a week . just old hardware |
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| 18:24.44 | kre10s | nothing... seems to only change the levels... |
| 18:27.21 | kre10s | I thing i will try to boot from the old hd and steal the alsa config.... |
| 18:27.31 | kre10s | or just install ubuntu again. |
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| 18:32.09 | fxiny | kre10s: don't give up , is a alsa tweeking problem : http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Sony/VAIO+VGN-FZ190 |
| 18:32.51 | fxiny | f* gone ! -> "sound works with a bit of tweaking(alsa) |
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| 18:40.41 | FabParma | Big problem... I have 2 LAN. Until now I set one with gateway and the other only with IP and subnet. Until yesterday everything went OK. Today when I access to one LAN Linux disable the other one ... *WHY????* |
| 18:41.22 | _ke | i just purged and installed zsh again and again on lenny, but /bin/zsh is missing, i just can find /bin/zsh4. any clue whats happening there? |
| 18:42.21 | dad3 | lol |
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| 18:44.46 | fxiny | _ke: is zsh in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/zsh_4.3.6-6_i386.deb |
| 18:45.01 | _ke | fxiny, ok! |
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| 18:47.38 | fxiny | _ke: md5sum zsh_4.3.6-6_i386.deb -> e6dde80318b8ea3640ce061ba3601522 |
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| 19:03.31 | jwatzman | what is the currently sanctioned way to get flash on amd64? the 64-bit plugin is out of date; nspluginwrapper+32-bit requires ia32-libs-libnss3 which doesn't exist anymore; gnash won't install due to gnash-common depending on a package that doesn't exist |
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| 19:04.57 | babilen | jwatzman: You can either install flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia or follow http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#DebianTesting.27Squeeze.27amd64 |
| 19:05.32 | thewanderer1 | jwatzman, you can try swfdec if everything else fails, works with 70% of YouTube videos and almost 40% of other sites |
| 19:06.34 | jwatzman | babilen: thanks -- what does the "ia32-libs-workaround" script do/build (in a nutshell)? |
| 19:06.35 | babilen | jwatzman: Looking into the gnash problem and reporting a bug if applicable might also be a good idea |
| 19:06.56 | jwatzman | thewanderer1: noted, but i'd like to try the official plugin if i can -- thanks though |
| 19:06.58 | babilen | jwatzman: It's basically nspluginwrapper - but just take a look |
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| 19:08.21 | babilen | jwatzman: I am using the package from dmm now, which works without problems |
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| 19:14.53 | scx | hello |
| 19:15.10 | scx | i have question about Module Assistant |
| 19:15.31 | babilen | good |
| 19:15.42 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 19:15.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:17.10 | scx | if i instaled kernel module (for example: MadWifi) and now upgrade kernel, does modules will be updated automatically? |
| 19:18.06 | jwatzman | babilen: success! flash is working with 32-bit + nspluginwrapper + the workaround packag you linked me to -- thanks! not sure how i missed that wiki page in the first place. |
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| 19:18.49 | SuperMiguel | how do i install debian using a flash drive?? i used dd and copied the net image to a flash drive, but when i load the installer it keeps asking for a dvd drive :S |
| 19:18.50 | scx | or i should run m-a update manually or something else? |
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| 19:19.18 | scx | SuperMiguel: show /etc/apt/source.list |
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| 19:20.16 | SuperMiguel | how can i run that from the installer |
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| 19:21.10 | jelly-home | scx: uh... how can that help in any way with a "can't boot up the installer" issue |
| 19:21.56 | SuperMiguel | scx, i can boot to the installer.. but within the installers it keeps asking for a cdrom drive which i dont have |
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| 19:22.50 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: which debian release? /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 19:23.20 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, 5 trying to get the netinstall |
| 19:23.50 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, debian-505-i386-netinst.iso to be exact |
| 19:23.53 | JordiGH | -close |
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| 19:24.08 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: yes. read what dpkg tells you after that /msg |
| 19:24.45 | SuperMiguel | k didnt get a msg |
| 19:25.45 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: after writing that irc command? |
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| 19:26.49 | babilen | !tell SuperMiguel -about usb install |
| 19:26.55 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: "/msg dpkg usb install" is an irc client command to type in |
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| 19:29.43 | babilen | SuperMiguel: Just follow "The easy way" and make sure that you copy the ISO (e.g. netinstall) *file* to the stick |
| 19:30.59 | jelly-home | the "easy way" ought to be "here, have this image and dump it onto a usb stick", not "follow 5+ step instructions" |
| 19:31.51 | SparFux | jelly-home: dumping onto usb stick is always bad, because it wastes space most probably. |
| 19:32.21 | jelly-home | SparFux: $DEITY wasted space on a usb stick! How will we ever live that down |
| 19:32.21 | thewanderer1 | who cares when you recover the stick afterwards |
| 19:32.24 | tbsaunde | SparFux: yes, but it is *easy* if you care about space then do it yourself |
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| 19:35.08 | kre10s | hey... |
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| 19:35.42 | kre10s | sound works perfectly from ubuntu install cd... I copied the config to this machine... but no go. |
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| 19:36.08 | kre10s | I don't know what else I could try to get sound to work... |
| 19:36.18 | thewanderer1 | kre10s, what kernel? |
| 19:36.32 | kre10s | now, or on the install cd? |
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| 19:36.45 | thewanderer1 | now |
| 19:36.59 | kre10s | uname -a : Linux slaptop 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 20 20:16:30 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:37.20 | EchoEcho | Hello! I just installed fail2ban, and the first thing I notice is that debian is running three separate processes of fail2ban-server (seen via the "htop" command). Anyone know why that's the case? They seem to take up more RAM than anything else of my (admittedly new) server.... |
| 19:37.41 | thewanderer1 | kre10s, try the kernel from backports |
| 19:37.49 | thewanderer1 | Ubuntu probably has a newer kernel |
| 19:37.51 | kre10s | how do I do that? |
| 19:38.08 | thewanderer1 | backports.org |
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| 19:38.34 | thewanderer1 | it's all there |
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| 19:40.07 | tbsaunde | !tell kre10s about bpo |
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| 19:47.48 | grendal_prime | this may sound like a stupid question...soo...i guess im stupid..but anyway I have a ssh public key i need to connect to a box with. how can i specify that key (its different than the one i use for my user normally) |
| 19:48.05 | grendal_prime | like ssh user@address with mykey.ppk |
| 19:48.24 | llutz | grendal_prime: ssh -i |
| 19:48.34 | grendal_prime | and yes its a putty key...its a long story. I can export it to open ssh format.. |
| 19:48.44 | thewanderer1 | do it :P |
| 19:48.48 | grendal_prime | ya llutz it asks for passphrase. |
| 19:49.08 | sam113101 | how do I install smxi |
| 19:49.14 | grendal_prime | and the output states its using a private key |
| 19:49.48 | thewanderer1 | grendal_prime, you use a private key for authenticating with a server which holds the public key |
| 19:49.53 | grendal_prime | problem is it works fine without a passphrase on putty. |
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| 19:50.39 | llutz | grendal_prime: ssh -i /path/to/your/privkey-ssh-format user@host |
| 19:52.15 | grendal_prime | ok ill try it again i guess. |
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| 19:54.27 | babilen | sam113101: smxi is not supported by #debian - check their website or install the drivers "the debian way" |
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| 19:54.42 | babilen | !tell sam113101 -about nvidia |
| 19:55.07 | thewanderer1 | last time I checked, sam113101 was having problems with Radeon HD |
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| 19:56.08 | sam113101 | they told me to try smxi (debian forums) |
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| 19:57.15 | babilen | ah - most people i've seen in here that used smxi used it to install nvidia drivers, thats why |
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| 19:57.47 | sander | Why do I get "Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz" when doing apt-file update ? |
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| 20:04.50 | sam113101 | how do I get modprobe |
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| 20:06.09 | petemc | sam113101: you probably already have it in /sbin/ |
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| 20:06.49 | sam113101 | oh yeah thanks |
| 20:07.05 | sam113101 | but I was unable to just call it modprobe |
| 20:07.16 | sam113101 | it told me modprobe not found |
| 20:07.27 | sam113101 | or invalid command |
| 20:07.33 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.06 | sam113101 | should it be in PATH by default ? |
| 20:08.13 | petemc | only roots |
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| 20:15.54 | action09 | oyo |
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| 20:18.43 | m4rzito | hi, how I can record and beep software to a wav file? with sox for example , beepsoftware | sox record to wav |
| 20:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | m4rzito: audacity may be able to do that. |
| 20:21.28 | m4rzito | from cli |
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| 20:23.48 | _hexguy | m4rzito: by beep you mean playing the file? |
| 20:23.58 | ecksun | I know there are a doc somwhere detailing how to decrypt luks at boot via a ssh public key authentication, any idea where I can find it? |
| 20:24.11 | ecksun | somewhere on a squeeze install |
| 20:24.25 | m4rzito | _hexguy i've a app thats play a some frecuency sounds and I want to get output to a wav file |
| 20:24.27 | m4rzito | from cli |
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| 20:25.32 | _hexguy | m4rzito: oh like a filter? |
| 20:25.53 | m4rzito | for example |
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| 20:26.31 | lxsameer | i'm looking for a tool that show process memory usage |
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| 20:27.44 | babilen | lxsameer: top, htop? |
| 20:27.59 | _hexguy | m4rzito: mm i have no idea, but maybe vlc can do the job but its a bit more complex i think |
| 20:28.04 | lxsameer | babilen: thanks |
| 20:28.12 | m4rzito | ok |
| 20:28.15 | m4rzito | I ask about sox |
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| 20:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | pulseaudio does this sort of thing but I know nothing about it. |
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| 21:00.05 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:00.33 | eptalon | my vlc clomplains my alsa-base is too old, but my alsa-base is the newest available version? |
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| 21:02.15 | macrobat | what versions do you have of them? |
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| 21:02.46 | macrobat | ,versions vlc |
| 21:02.47 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; squeeze: 1.0.6-1; sid: 1.1.0-4 |
| 21:06.06 | eptalon | macrobat: libvlc2, libvlccore2: 1.0.6-1 all the other libvlc are 1.1.0-4; alsa-base is 1.0.23+dfsg-1 , alsa-utils 1.0.23-2 |
| 21:06.28 | eptalon | (I am running sid) |
| 21:07.41 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: That explains it. |
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| 21:08.31 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 21:08.34 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: get rid of the 1.0.6? |
| 21:08.50 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly. |
| 21:09.08 | jhutchins_lt | It is a known factor in sid that versions get out of sync. |
| 21:09.31 | wuffi600 | what is the name of the package that provides a commandline app that prints out camera-infos about a jpg-file? It shows the foto's detail infos. |
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| 21:11.02 | macrobat | i have a libvlc5 1.1.0-4 i have no libvlc2. |
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| 21:11.35 | macrobat | wuffi600: there are exif pkgs |
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| 21:12.55 | wuffi600 | macrobat, oh thank you. i just forgot the name. thanx |
| 21:12.57 | gnoob | Hi guys Im trying to upgrade grub to grub2 on my debian server. anyone remebers the line to write to enable debian testing repos? |
| 21:13.03 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: imagemagick |
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| 21:13.23 | jhutchins_lt | gnoob: Testing on a server? |
| 21:13.34 | babilen | gnoob: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 21:14.43 | gnoob | grubbers told me that grub on lenny is too old to upgrade, and that I need to install grub-common and grub-pc from debian testing first |
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| 21:15.09 | macrobat | you want grub2 for lvm or something? |
| 21:15.10 | babilen | gnoob: grub on lenny is too old to upgrade what? |
| 21:15.19 | gnoob | want to upgrade to grub2 |
| 21:15.25 | babilen | why? |
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| 21:16.24 | gnoob | because I try to install grub on mbr on all disks.. grub2 does that automaticly when writing grub-install /dev/md0 (fixes bootloader for all disks in raid) |
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| 21:17.23 | gnoob | grub legazy doesnt do that. If you know a easy way to install bootloader to the other disks in raid, that would probably be easier though lol |
| 21:17.36 | babilen | gnoob: Well who am I to question your motives? The line is the same as the one for lenny with s/lenny/squeeze, but make sure to set the default release or pin your packages .. |
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| 21:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | lilo handles raids better than legacy grub. |
| 21:18.13 | lxsameer | how can i control the number of bind9 processes ? |
| 21:18.20 | babilen | still thinks that this is a bad approach |
| 21:18.20 | jhutchins_lt | gnoob: Installng packages from multiple releases is a great way to end up having to do a clean install. |
| 21:18.30 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions grub2 |
| 21:18.32 | judd | grub2 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98+20100710-1; squeeze: 1.98+20100710-1 |
| 21:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | Install it from lenny backports instead. |
| 21:18.56 | gnoob | lol ok guys thanks a lot for good advice and for stopping me screwing up0 my system ;) |
| 21:19.09 | babilen | !tell gnoob -about bpo |
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| 21:21.01 | babilen | good night :) |
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| 21:22.50 | Aenigma | Hi, I'm an arch linux user and I've been considering using debian for a while now. The main reason I haven't already is because the last time I tried I noticed that debian has very old packages and I'd prefer bleeding edge packages. I've been looking through the documentation but I can't find a proper page on repositories and development repositories and the such. I suspect this is primarily because I'm a moron but it just seems t |
| 21:23.29 | rudi_s | Aenigma: Your message was cut off after "it just seems t". |
| 21:23.37 | rudi_s | If you want bleeding edge, either use sid or testing. |
| 21:23.40 | rudi_s | !tell Aenigma about sid |
| 21:23.43 | rudi_s | !tell Aenigma about testing |
| 21:23.54 | gnoob | but what would be the best thing to do you think? I got a raid1, md3, made up of sd[a-d]1. 200Mb. Over four disks.. So far only sda got grub in mbr, so if im unlycky and that disks say goodbye first, server stops dead. I believe installing grub to mbr on sd[b-d] would work? but not sure how grub legacy handeles raid :\ |
| 21:24.06 | lindi- | Aenigma: I personally run stable and then selected applications from unstable chroot using schroot |
| 21:24.17 | lindi- | Aenigma: imho this gives best of both world |
| 21:24.18 | lindi- | +s |
| 21:24.35 | rudi_s | Aenigma: As you know arch linux, you know how linux works, so I guess you can fix the problems which you get when running sid/testing. |
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| 21:24.43 | Aenigma | rudi_s: it just seems to me that the documentation for debian is scattered whilst arch's was all pretty much on the wiki. I would really appreciate it if someone could point to some documentation as to how to make debian bleeding edge. |
| 21:25.09 | lindi- | Aenigma: well there are quite many ways to do that |
| 21:25.12 | Aenigma | sid you say? Do I just add that at the end of the distro line or whatever? |
| 21:25.36 | lindi- | Aenigma: 'deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ sid main' would be sid |
| 21:25.44 | rudi_s | Aenigma: Yeah, but I would recommend testing, it's a bit more stable but should be bleeding-edge enough. |
| 21:26.01 | lindi- | testing is not bleeding-edge enough for helping with bugs :) |
| 21:26.15 | rudi_s | lindi-: Only for some bugs ;-) |
| 21:26.19 | lindi- | you have to wait at least 10 days to test each potential fix |
| 21:26.47 | macrobat | after "main" you can add "contrib non-free" |
| 21:27.00 | lindi- | only if you want non-free stuff :) |
| 21:27.01 | icebrain | Aenigma: http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:27.41 | lindi- | Aenigma: do you run gnome or KDE? |
| 21:27.43 | Aenigma | Well, I generally (in arch), use their "stable" (if you can call it that) in conjunction with SCM-nabbed stuff. I think testing would be kind of like Arch's stable, but I don't know debian all that well |
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| 21:27.51 | Aenigma | lindi-: I run xfce |
| 21:29.46 | lindi- | Aenigma: I'd recommend debian stable + unstable chroot :) |
| 21:29.47 | macrobat | Aenigma: i find unstable to be just a bit behind arch in versions sometimes. kernel is 2.6.32 |
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| 21:30.22 | icebrain | I run Unstable and breaks aren't /that/ frequent |
| 21:30.29 | Arrowmaster | Aenigma: if you want bleeding edge you can try testing and probably want to install the apt-listbugs package too |
| 21:30.29 | lindi- | btw, there's this tool called "whohas" that queries many distros for version numbers of packages |
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| 21:31.10 | Aenigma | lindi-: and unstable chroot? That seems kind of silly. I mean, I'm sure I could well integrate it but still. |
| 21:31.29 | Aenigma | also, if Arch stable is less stable that debian testing, I think it would be more than stable for me |
| 21:31.31 | lxsameer | is there any nameserver except of bind9 around |
| 21:31.48 | icebrain | Aenigma: unstable isn't that unstable :) |
| 21:31.49 | macrobat | apt-listchanges might be useful |
| 21:32.17 | Aenigma | so, if I want like the latest stuff, before it hits testing, what is that? Is that what you call "sid"? |
| 21:32.28 | icebrain | Aenigma: yes |
| 21:32.32 | lindi- | Aenigma: why silly? I think it's really a good solution |
| 21:32.35 | macrobat | normally there is so much sid hate in this channel :D |
| 21:32.46 | icebrain | Aenigma: or sometimes, experimental |
| 21:32.59 | icebrain | for specific packages |
| 21:33.41 | lindi- | I could not imagine actually working with unstable |
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| 21:34.05 | lindi- | for running specific applications that I want to use for some new feature or to help in development of a specific application it is useful |
| 21:34.32 | lindi- | but having basic tools like "diff" just break is not niec |
| 21:34.56 | Aenigma | lindi-: basic tools like diff basically never break, though. changes to it are really minimal. |
| 21:35.01 | lindi- | Aenigma: diff broke this year |
| 21:35.16 | Aenigma | ..really? |
| 21:35.34 | icebrain | lindi-: I run unstable and breaks aren't that frequent |
| 21:36.57 | lindi- | Aenigma: yes, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577832 |
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| 21:37.34 | lindi- | hmm, icebrain quit? ;) |
| 21:37.45 | lindi- | (I have joins/parts/quits in ignore) |
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| 21:39.51 | Aenigma | lindi-: so how does the chroot thing work? How exactly do you have all the programs work within a chroot automatically? Do you make an alias to use a bash script to chroot programs to run a program? |
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| 21:40.40 | lindi- | Aenigma: "sid iceweasel" runs iceweasel from sid chroot |
| 21:41.25 | lindi- | Aenigma: it uses the schroot tool that allows normal users to chroot to configured chroots. http://iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt has has the steps I use |
| 21:42.37 | lindi- | Aenigma: bind mounts make sure that the programs can access your $HOME and X server just normally |
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| 21:44.06 | Aenigma | Hm. If I take lenny and do it your way, it'd be relatively trivial to upgrade to squeeze and stuff, though, right? Not so much the other way around? |
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| 21:44.21 | lindi- | Aenigma: upgrading is easy yes |
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| 21:44.26 | lindi- | downgrades are not supported |
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| 21:44.32 | macrobat | you cant downgrade, you'll have to reinstall |
| 21:45.58 | Aenigma | I want to take a crack at actually using debian and getting used to the basic stuff before I try to do some really elaborate stuff. (Except maybe iceweasel.) |
| 21:46.25 | Aenigma | So I'll just go ahead and do backups and install lenny and possibly come crying back tomorrow |
| 21:46.40 | lindi- | heh |
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| 21:47.35 | malaka | Q |
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| 21:51.12 | thewanderer1 | guys, one question... what is this doing on my system?! /etc/update-motd.d |
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| 21:51.27 | thewanderer1 | and the second one, why is `login` calling it? |
| 21:53.14 | Arrowmaster | it gives a sorta dynamic motd when you login |
| 21:53.59 | thewanderer1 | right, but it is not installed, yet `login` still tries to execute /etc/update-motd.d/* |
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| 21:55.26 | thewanderer1 | ssh does not display it, it does not seem to be a PAM thing, yet still, login is keen on executing update-motd... |
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| 21:58.20 | thewanderer1 | just what's with this update-motd? |
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| 21:59.36 | lmaowaffle | hi folks any idea which conf file allows aptitude color changes? |
| 21:59.42 | sylar | anyone knows which diff tool is best? |
| 21:59.49 | thewanderer1 | sylar: diff |
| 22:00.03 | foetus | :) |
| 22:00.05 | lmaowaffle | sylar: there's colordiff |
| 22:00.07 | sylar | but diff is a line by line no? |
| 22:00.23 | thewanderer1 | yes, it also works |
| 22:00.37 | sylar | I want word by word |
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| 22:02.32 | Arrowmaster | sylar: theres a wdiff |
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| 22:03.31 | gnoob | is it easy to install lilo on a debian lenny system.. Kinda giving up on grub legacy and putting mbr on more than one disk.. :\ Im no grub expert and thinking maybe lilo is easier? |
| 22:03.36 | sylar | coool |
| 22:03.43 | sylar | Arrowmaster, thanks |
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| 22:04.57 | gnoob | problem is. Got 4 disks on a raid1 for /boot. but cant add grub to mbr to more than sda1.. so if that disk fails the raid1 is good for nothing |
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| 22:06.31 | thewanderer1 | gnoob, why can't you add grub to more mbr's? |
| 22:06.49 | Optic | that's why you need a proper raid card :) |
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| 22:07.26 | thewanderer1 | yup... so-called hardware one, which is actually one with a dedicated CPU running software RAID inside... hardware RAID does not exist per se :P |
| 22:09.11 | newdb | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:09.12 | newdb | g++: Depends: g++-4.3 (>= 4.3.2-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:09.12 | newdb | libc6-xen: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny2) but 2.7-18lenny4 is to be installed |
| 22:09.12 | newdb | %%+e-future+%%: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 22:09.15 | ravenbird | newdb: EPARSE: dunno WTH you're talking about |
| 22:09.26 | newdb | solução ? ¶;/~~ |
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| 22:11.47 | jacekowski | ravenbird: wrong |
| 22:11.49 | ravenbird | NEVER! |
| 22:11.51 | jacekowski | ravenbird: -EPARSE |
| 22:11.52 | ravenbird | jacekowski: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:12.04 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 22:12.05 | jacekowski | nvm |
| 22:13.17 | macrobat | !tell newdb about pt |
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| 22:16.14 | lmaowaffle | any one know the format of /etc/apt/apt.conf closely resembles so that I can use vim or emacs to indent clauses accordingly |
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| 22:19.40 | thewanderer1 | bad bad Ubuntu low quality-patches have reached Debian already |
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| 22:20.05 | thewanderer1 | this update-motd has a bug which affects login... |
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| 22:23.36 | thewanderer1 | anyone daring to test this to see if we can reproduce a bug? |
| 22:26.39 | gnoob | thewanderer1 sorry late response.. was reading up on grub.. well basicly because I have no idea how to :P I want to put bootloaders on all disks that point at /boot on /dev/md3.. But so far only sda got bood loader on mbr. |
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| 22:27.23 | thewanderer1 | you can basically use grub-install to install grub on other disks |
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| 22:28.30 | gnoob | grub-install /dev/sdb or sdb1? /boot partiton consist of sda1-sdd1 and is found /dev/md3 |
| 22:29.05 | gnoob | I did grub-install on /dev/md3 but that didnt fix any boot loader |
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| 22:30.18 | Arrowmaster | gnoob: were you trying grub1 or grub2? |
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| 22:32.26 | Arrowmaster | gnoob: read this page and see if it helps http://grub.enbug.org/MirroringRAID |
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| 22:34.15 | gnoob | grub legacy.. since it looks like a complicated thing to ungrade to grub2 |
| 22:34.27 | gnoob | Thanks Arrowmaster |
| 22:35.01 | grand_grunt | I'm trying to install Debian SPARC on a Sun Fire V240 from netboot. Installer loaded fine, but doesn't detect disks. SCSI controler is "LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1010 66MHz Ultra3 SCSI Adapter [1000:0021]". Any idea? |
| 22:35.11 | Arrowmaster | im not sure but i think that page is for grub-legacy since i see a (hd0,0) in it |
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| 22:40.39 | EchoEcho | Hello! Could someone help me understand system logging? I'm looking at firewall messages (UFW in this case) and I'm trying to understand what's going on. Mainly, I can't tell what port is being blocked. I pasted a log here (censored the incoming IP): http://pastebin.com/Mw87MuPQ |
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| 22:41.25 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, SPT=source port, DPT=destination port |
| 22:41.38 | Name141 | is it possible to install 'brother-cups-wrapper-bh7' (in ubuntu's repos) on debian ? I'm assuming I have to go to the brotherUSA website and get their linux cups drivers? |
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| 22:41.53 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: Aaah. Okay. Since most of the lines have a MAC address, does that mean most of the hits are from local addresses? |
| 22:42.07 | Waxhead | I am running debian squeeze and my network is "down" from time to time. e.g. if I reboot the server i am able to ping another computer on my network and after another reboot I am suddenly not able to do it. Any ideas how to troubleshoot this ? |
| 22:42.24 | grand_grunt | I'm using this boot image: http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-sparc/current/images/netboot/ , seems to be kernel 2.6.26-1, does it load 2.6.26-2 from network? May that cause modules mismatch? |
| 22:42.24 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, every IP package is encapsulated in an Ethernet frame, so every one gets a MAC address |
| 22:43.07 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: gotcha. So mainly I care about SRC for originating IP address, and DPT for which port they're trying to hit, right? |
| 22:44.01 | thewanderer1 | yes, in case you mean blocking packets to your server |
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| 22:44.35 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: right. I guess I'm concerned since this server is brand new. |
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| 22:45.43 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, you'll never forget your first rootkit. |
| 22:45.57 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: sounds ominous >< |
| 22:46.02 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: looks like I'm blocking port 123 with is just NTP, can I safely unblock it? |
| 22:46.22 | thewanderer1 | do you need external clients to connect to NTP? |
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| 22:46.43 | EchoEcho | No. |
| 22:46.51 | EchoEcho | I'd like my server to run "on time"..... |
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| 22:48.31 | thewanderer1 | then you don't need to open that port on the firewall, your server should pull its time from the net |
| 22:48.34 | EchoEcho | Gotcha. |
| 22:48.50 | EchoEcho | I set outgoing to deny on default, will that affect it? |
| 22:49.00 | thewanderer1 | yes, a lot |
| 22:49.15 | thewanderer1 | like 'omigod i cant get updates' |
| 22:49.18 | EchoEcho | lol |
| 22:49.33 | thewanderer1 | better set it to ALLOW... |
| 22:49.45 | EchoEcho | oooh yea looks like I can't do sudo apt-get update |
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| 22:49.49 | thewanderer1 | :P |
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| 22:50.07 | EchoEcho | I read that locking shit down like this is a good idea & it makes sense, can't I just add port 80 outgoing? |
| 22:51.04 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, this is a lame idea whoever invented this, if you are concerned about programs 'calling home' or contacting their 'botnet master', bad news for you - they use port 80 already |
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| 22:51.16 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: ah, gotcha. |
| 22:51.35 | thewanderer1 | at least that's how I implement it... er... would implement it if I were to |
| 22:51.38 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: still, I think I'll leave it the way it is unless huge problems, may as well know which ports do what |
| 22:51.48 | EchoEcho | haha crap, don't touch my box plz kthx :( |
| 22:52.01 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, you're gonna get problems with FTP |
| 22:52.16 | EchoEcho | port 21 right |
| 22:52.21 | EchoEcho | so add 80 and 21? |
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| 22:52.35 | EchoEcho | Or i suppose 20, 21 and 80 |
| 22:52.54 | thewanderer1 | 20, 21, 22, 80 |
| 22:52.58 | thewanderer1 | don't forget SSH :P |
| 22:53.07 | EchoEcho | I changed the port SSH runs on actually, but yea |
| 22:53.17 | EchoEcho | tinfoil hat etc |
| 22:53.22 | thewanderer1 | ssh out is also good to have |
| 22:53.46 | EchoEcho | This is a VPS server which is behind a honeypot, may as well make life difficult for vulnerability scanners |
| 22:54.00 | EchoEcho | Yea, I think UFW does in/out rules at the same time |
| 22:54.22 | thewanderer1 | ufw is ubuntu firewall, I wouldn't be surprised if it did |
| 22:56.02 | EchoEcho | Hmmm, even with 20,21,80 allowed still don't work |
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| 22:56.53 | thewanderer1 | what doesn't work? |
| 22:57.01 | EchoEcho | sudo apt-get update |
| 22:58.05 | thewanderer1 | man... is `nslookup debian.org` working? |
| 22:58.13 | thewanderer1 | DNS is useful, too |
| 22:58.38 | EchoEcho | heh, I'm beginning to see your point >< |
| 22:58.45 | thewanderer1 | only allow it to contact your chosen DNS server though, it is possible to tunnel data over DNS UDP |
| 22:59.14 | EchoEcho | aaaaah even UFW is really a complicated FW :P |
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| 22:59.40 | thewanderer1 | it's called "the joy of TCP and UDP and IP" |
| 22:59.42 | mnuhmnuh | EchoEcho: buy router? |
| 23:00.21 | EchoEcho | mnuhmnuh: it's a single server out on a VPS. |
| 23:00.22 | thewanderer1 | mnuhmnuh, why would he need a router? he needs a firewall, not a router |
| 23:00.55 | thewanderer1 | router is for routing, servers in datacenters don't need routers besides edge routers provided by the ISP :P |
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| 23:03.17 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: yea, adding 20+21+80 didn't do it, allowing outgoing by default did |
| 23:03.23 | EchoEcho | I'll figure it out |
| 23:03.40 | thewanderer1 | by the way, DNS is 53/udp |
| 23:03.49 | thewanderer1 | and tcp |
| 23:03.53 | thewanderer1 | (if I remember well) |
| 23:04.15 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: looks like there's currently a slight bug in how UFW manages iptables: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1409860 |
| 23:04.20 | EchoEcho | figures |
| 23:05.40 | thewanderer1 | if you want a rock-solid, tested firewall soluton on Debian, go for shorewall |
| 23:06.03 | thewanderer1 | it's the most complex tool yet simple to setup in your case and scalable |
| 23:06.30 | thewanderer1 | you could also manage iptables on your own |
| 23:06.32 | mnuhmnuh | EchoEcho: sorry, i came in late. assumed you were typical *buntu user box. |
| 23:06.55 | EchoEcho | mnuhmnuh: nope, it's all good. |
| 23:07.04 | EchoEcho | I am in the debian channel for some reason ;) |
| 23:07.16 | EchoEcho | using debian box with UFW cuz I'm a n00b |
| 23:07.42 | EchoEcho | But I think I got it figured out. I was allowing FTP/HTTP in but not out, since rules default to allowing in only. |
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| 23:08.19 | mnuhmnuh | EchoEcho: noobs are good. we were all noobs. i'm still an obsd noob, damnit. |
| 23:08.35 | acidslep | im not sure noobs are _good_ |
| 23:08.40 | acidslep | but they are inherent |
| 23:08.51 | acidslep | my foomatic-rip is broken |
| 23:08.55 | EchoEcho | Is there a way to record the network traffic a command generates? Or to look at recent net traffic? |
| 23:09.07 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, tcpdump |
| 23:09.27 | thewanderer1 | acidslep, no wonder it's broken, it's called -rip after all |
| 23:09.37 | EchoEcho | kk. Because now I explicitly allow 20/21/80 in AND out, and still no workie. |
| 23:09.40 | mnuhmnuh | acidslep: noobs are new people checking it out. good! |
| 23:10.00 | acidslep | hehehaha |
| 23:10.03 | thewanderer1 | I once had the same problem with foomatic-rip but it went away when I downgraded to stable or upgraded to sid, don't remember |
| 23:10.07 | acidslep | EchoEcho, does tcpdump do what you want? |
| 23:10.18 | EchoEcho | looks like I have to install it |
| 23:10.27 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, do you allow DNS out? |
| 23:10.36 | EchoEcho | ooooh. |
| 23:10.39 | EchoEcho | lol |
| 23:10.56 | thewanderer1 | 53/tcp and 53/udp |
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| 23:11.33 | EchoEcho | Huzzah! |
| 23:11.37 | EchoEcho | Works :) |
| 23:12.13 | thewanderer1 | great :P |
| 23:12.21 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, smxi worked |
| 23:12.35 | thewanderer1 | nice, do you have your radeon working now? |
| 23:12.41 | sam113101 | hey |
| 23:12.46 | sam113101 | yes |
| 23:12.49 | sam113101 | it's working |
| 23:13.01 | sam113101 | but I don't know what smxi did exactly |
| 23:13.14 | thewanderer1 | neither do I, it's a pile of smart crap |
| 23:13.28 | thewanderer1 | just check what driver you are running |
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| 23:13.35 | thewanderer1 | grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:13.50 | sam113101 | wait |
| 23:14.13 | sam113101 | I already did it |
| 23:14.20 | sam113101 | like when it was done |
| 23:14.53 | thewanderer1 | just read through /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see what config it wrote for you |
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| 23:15.53 | sam113101 | man, I see nothing changed |
| 23:16.16 | thewanderer1 | then it's magical somehow O.o |
| 23:16.20 | Name141 | how do I install a printer? I don't see nothing on system -> admin , or system -> pref |
| 23:16.44 | thewanderer1 | Name141, if you have cups installed, you go to http://localhost:631 and click your way thru |
| 23:17.07 | thewanderer1 | (in KDE you can do that more nicely anyway :P ) |
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| 23:18.26 | Name141 | thewanderer1: how in the world do I know what to use ? |
| 23:18.54 | acidslep | name141, im doing the same stuff now |
| 23:18.58 | thewanderer1 | Name141, there should be a button like `detect printers` |
| 23:19.14 | acidslep | its just "add printer" |
| 23:19.31 | Name141 | yeah, just 'add printer' |
| 23:19.40 | Name141 | and the printer is on the network. I installed samba |
| 23:20.10 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, how do I change the screen resolution, like not of X but of the command line |
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| 23:20.33 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: is there a nslookup tool for debian? "sudo-apt get install nslookup" has de nada |
| 23:20.35 | acidslep | sam113101: very tricky! read about VGA modes |
| 23:21.05 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, package dnsutils |
| 23:21.19 | thewanderer1 | strange you don't have that installed, should already be there |
| 23:21.24 | Name141 | thewanderer1: I found the printer after installing brother's drivers. However it's not setup properly to print over the windows computer in the living room. How would I fix that? |
| 23:21.33 | EchoEcho | thewanderer1: how can I check to see how big a package will use BEFORE installing it? |
| 23:21.46 | thewanderer1 | Name141, what are you trying to do? |
| 23:21.50 | acidslep | EchoEcho, try using aptitude |
| 23:21.54 | EchoEcho | kk |
| 23:21.54 | sam113101 | it was like 1024x768 BEFORE I use smxi, now it's the right size |
| 23:21.57 | sam113101 | I don't get it |
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| 23:21.58 | EchoEcho | it it all the same? |
| 23:22.05 | thewanderer1 | EchoEcho, aptitude --simulate install packagename |
| 23:22.07 | Name141 | thewanderer1: trying to print a test page on the networked printer of course |
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| 23:22.19 | sam113101 | it's not X, it's the command line |
| 23:22.19 | thewanderer1 | Name141, Windows is your client? |
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| 23:22.38 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, read the documentation on VGA modes in kernel command line |
| 23:22.38 | acidslep | Name141, did you configure your printer in the CUPS web interface? |
| 23:22.47 | acidslep | :P |
| 23:22.49 | sam113101 | how |
| 23:22.50 | Name141 | thewanderer1: Device URL is usb:/dev/usb/lp0 , it seems I need to change that |
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| 23:22.54 | sam113101 | where is that doc |
| 23:23.17 | william_ | is bluefish the best html editor or should i look at something else |
| 23:23.26 | Name141 | acidslep: this seems to be the default settings for the printer (since it is usb), but how do I change it's "Device URL" so it knows it's in the living room ? |
| 23:23.28 | sam113101 | maybe that was the problem, don't you think so ? |
| 23:23.32 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 23:23.39 | Name141 | acidslep: rather than on the computer |
| 23:24.11 | thewanderer1 | william_, vim is way better ^.- |
| 23:24.28 | thewanderer1 | Name141, how is the printer connected? via USB? |
| 23:24.34 | Name141 | thewanderer1: network |
| 23:24.42 | Name141 | thewanderer1: CAT5e, router, etc |
| 23:24.44 | thewanderer1 | so why is it input as USB? |
| 23:24.50 | seeker7 | thewanderer1: ok thanks. |
| 23:24.53 | acidslep | name, definitley. your URL is going to start with smb:// try reconfiguring your printer in your CUPS web interface |
| 23:24.59 | Name141 | thewanderer1: I just said it seems to be the default setup, I'm trying to fix it |
| 23:25.06 | Name141 | I found it |
| 23:25.09 | Name141 | "Modify Printer" |
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| 23:25.15 | acidslep | that will work too |
| 23:25.26 | thewanderer1 | CUPS should autodetect it... well if it doesn't you have to obtain the URL from some documentation or Windows |
| 23:25.32 | thewanderer1 | or router |
| 23:25.40 | thewanderer1 | what is it connected to? a router? |
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| 23:25.48 | Name141 | So for the Device, do I want http, ipp, AppSocket/HP JetDirect, LPT #1, SCSI , etc ? |
| 23:25.53 | Name141 | yes |
| 23:26.40 | Name141 | ok, so I want smb://livingroom (or it's IP) ? |
| 23:26.50 | Name141 | for the device URL ? |
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| 23:26.57 | thewanderer1 | why smb? does your router really share it via Samba? |
| 23:27.10 | Name141 | shrugs ? |
| 23:27.17 | Name141 | It's shared on the Windows machine |
| 23:28.07 | Name141 | the name of it on the windows machine is BrotherF |
| 23:28.08 | sam113101 | thewanderer1, will I be able to set it to 1366x768 ? |
| 23:28.15 | Name141 | smb://livingroom/BrotherF ? |
| 23:28.20 | thewanderer1 | sam113101, not really, this is only a console |
| 23:28.27 | thewanderer1 | Name141, yea, try that |
| 23:28.40 | thewanderer1 | Name141, you can check it with `net` command anyway |
| 23:29.40 | sam113101 | well why does it seem clearer now |
| 23:29.46 | sam113101 | the text |
| 23:29.48 | Name141 | thewanderer1: It came up "a username and password are being requested" |
| 23:29.49 | sam113101 | the font |
| 23:30.06 | Name141 | thewanderer1: "The site says "CUPS"" |
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| 23:30.29 | seeker7 | in your opinion what would be the best html editor |
| 23:30.31 | Name141 | do I just put in my user pass? |
| 23:30.46 | acidslep | for the windows machine |
| 23:30.55 | thewanderer1 | Name141, I guess you need to login as root there |
| 23:31.06 | thewanderer1 | Name141, or as some user in the lpd/printer group |
| 23:31.19 | Name141 | it came up "bad device URI:" smb://192.168.0.3/BrotherF |
| 23:31.24 | seeker7 | acidslep: for windows and then also for lenny |
| 23:32.21 | thewanderer1 | Name141, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#printing_to_windows |
| 23:32.44 | thewanderer1 | I think you need samba or at least smbclient installed for that |
| 23:32.59 | acidslep | he does |
| 23:33.06 | acidslep | smbclient -L livingroom |
| 23:33.18 | acidslep | smbclient -L ....0.3 |
| 23:33.45 | acidslep | seeker7, do you know cups? |
| 23:34.00 | Name141 | acidslep: It seems smbclient wasn't installed with samba |
| 23:34.14 | thewanderer1 | then install it |
| 23:34.17 | Name141 | acidslep: do I want to install smbfs as well ? |
| 23:34.35 | Name141 | thewanderer1: installing now |
| 23:34.40 | Name141 | (downloading anyway) |
| 23:34.52 | thewanderer1 | no, no smbfs at all |
| 23:35.19 | seeker7 | acidslep: used it many moons ago to get a network printer to work but dont know that i could walk someone through it |
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| 23:37.11 | Name141 | thewanderer1/acidslep: http://paste.debian.net/80838/ |
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| 23:37.53 | thewanderer1 | Name141, it's now gonna work |
| 23:37.58 | thewanderer1 | try that URL again |
| 23:38.09 | Name141 | smb://192.168.0.3/BrotherF? |
| 23:38.14 | thewanderer1 | ya |
| 23:38.56 | Name141 | modification accepted |
| 23:39.00 | Name141 | let me see if it's printing |
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| 23:39.37 | Name141 | test page sent.. |
| 23:39.39 | Name141 | goes to see |
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| 23:40.13 | Name141 | It didn't print, and it's not "reciving data" |
| 23:40.23 | Name141 | receiving |
| 23:41.32 | thewanderer1 | and Windows is? |
| 23:41.37 | Name141 | thewanderer1: XP |
| 23:41.46 | thewanderer1 | is it receiving the printout request? |
| 23:42.00 | Name141 | When I print from the host machine's USB ? yes |
| 23:42.08 | Name141 | I can also print from this computer to it fine |
| 23:42.19 | thewanderer1 | no, when you print over the network, does Windows receive the request |
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| 23:42.48 | Name141 | I have no idea |
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| 23:43.58 | thewanderer1 | that's always been problematic... |
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| 23:44.09 | Name141 | thewanderer1: I installed http://www.brother.com/pub/bsc/linux/dlf/brmfcfaxcups-1.0.0-1.i386.deb , and http://www.brother.com/pub/bsc/linux/dlf/brmfcfaxlpd-1.0.0-1.i386.deb , with dpkg - i , before hand |
| 23:44.10 | thewanderer1 | I need to get some sleep now |
| 23:44.28 | thewanderer1 | don't really know these drivers |
| 23:44.42 | Name141 | and the model/driver is showing up "Brother BRMFCFAX for CUPS" |
| 23:44.47 | acidslep | do you know foomatic-rip? mines broken. i don't wanna upgrade to sid im SCARED |
| 23:45.06 | Name141 | It's not letting me select the actual model |
| 23:45.25 | Name141 | in Ubuntu it did |
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| 23:45.52 | thewanderer1 | Name141, install more cups driver packages |
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| 23:46.01 | Name141 | thewanderer1: eh? |
| 23:46.08 | thewanderer1 | from the repos |
| 23:46.17 | Name141 | http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_pcf.html |
| 23:46.19 | thewanderer1 | there's a plenty of them, they might give you more drivers |
| 23:46.39 | Name141 | I installed the wrapper, and LPR driver |
| 23:46.57 | thewanderer1 | man, this is PC-FAX |
| 23:47.09 | Name141 | Intelifax 1860C |
| 23:47.10 | Name141 | yes |
| 23:47.20 | thewanderer1 | I thought you meant it to print |
| 23:47.25 | Name141 | It is a printer |
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| 23:49.14 | gnoob | Arrowmaster, I got the raid working at last. /boot on raid1 over four disks :D Thanks for link! |
| 23:49.29 | thewanderer1 | sorry, I have no experience with printing to samba, rather the other way round |
| 23:49.42 | thewanderer1 | you might want to check the logs or Windows or so |
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| 23:49.51 | Name141 | I actually probably wont print anything on the machine. |
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| 23:50.08 | Name141 | it's real old, p2 450 MHz, and probably will only use SSH |
| 23:50.25 | Name141 | I was thinking however though setting it up for file sharing and putting my USB2 drives on it's USB2 PCI |
| 23:50.30 | Name141 | so I can get them off this machine |
| 23:50.41 | Name141 | I hope I don't run in to problems doing that atleast |
| 23:51.04 | thewanderer1 | wish you luck... it's 2am and I need to rest :P |
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| 23:51.24 | acidslep | lulz |
| 23:51.27 | acidslep | i halpz |
| 23:51.29 | acidslep | go to bed wanderer |
| 23:51.37 | gnoob | bb thewanderer1 |
| 23:51.44 | thewanderer1 | cya |
| 23:52.33 | acidslep | name, you still tryin? did you get a sucessful list with smbclient? |
| 23:53.15 | Name141 | acidslep: it was that pastebin |
| 23:53.26 | Name141 | http://paste.debian.net/80838/ |
| 23:54.14 | Name141 | but it's getting late and I have to go put Sevin dust 5% on grasshoppers |
| 23:54.19 | Name141 | before they ate my garden to hell |
| 23:54.21 | Name141 | bbl |
| 23:54.23 | acidslep | peace |
| 23:54.24 | Name141 | eat* |
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| 23:57.37 | Vicophine | Anyone having issues upgrading Conky? |
| 23:57.46 | SuperMiguel | whats the best VPN server for debian compatible with wndows client?? |
| 23:57.54 | acidslep | I don't even know what that is. |
| 23:58.05 | acidslep | SuperMiguel, depends on the situation |
| 23:58.06 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: openvpn |
| 23:58.11 | acidslep | or not :) |
| 23:58.52 | dondelelcaro | (granted, you have to install it, but it works far more elegantly than window's PPP-based VPNs |
| 23:59.06 | Gnudoll | is a virtual desktop area larger than the screen size possible in Lenny with xorg? |
| 23:59.22 | acidslep | always been possible |
| 23:59.35 | Gnudoll | I know you could do it with xf86, but not sure about xorg |