| 00:00.54 | Gnudoll | the reason for the question is that i'm trying to save an eeepc |
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| 00:05.59 | Gnudoll | Other than az tiny screen and almost no storage space, what pitfalls can I erxpect with an eeepc (ASUS 701) |
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| 00:06.17 | Vicophine | Small keyboard, that's it really. |
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| 00:07.27 | gnoob | Guys, anyone of you have some good advice for what solution I should choose for a computerlab with terminalserver and thin clients?? For high school.. Thinking of posibilities to trhow out 20x windows licences.. and since computers are pretty old, thinclients would be perfect :) also no harddrives going to hell each time a pupil kicks the table.. |
| 00:08.18 | gnoob | k12 edubuntu? maybe there are others too,, what would you suggest? |
| 00:08.25 | gnoob | :) |
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| 00:09.31 | gnoob | possible to use debian for this? :) |
| 00:09.37 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, but openvpn works with windows VPN client? or i have to install openvpn client |
| 00:11.51 | lindi- | SuperMiguel: openvpn works with openvpn. |
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| 00:14.16 | Bushmills | SuperMiguel: join #openvpn, there enter !pptp |
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| 00:18.24 | Raydiation | hi how can i check which ports are open? or when i do a fresh server install, which ports are open? |
| 00:18.46 | dondelelcaro | Raydiation: netstat -plunt |
| 00:19.03 | Raydiation | dondelelcaro: ty |
| 00:19.26 | cafuego | Raydiation: And don't worry about the localhost ones. |
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| 01:04.30 | william_ | i have a question about mysql use and have went to that channel but it says i can not send to that channel |
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| 01:09.29 | seeker7 | so how did i get blocked from #mysql |
| 01:10.30 | seeker7 | i installed mysql onto lenny and now how do i open it to design in it i do not see it on any of the dropdowns |
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| 01:11.44 | Waxhead | seeker7: you need to do that from the command line and/or get a GUI to do the job for you. |
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| 01:12.22 | seeker7 | waxhead: yuk mysql is command line only where can i get a gui |
| 01:12.36 | Waxhead | seeker7: google is your friend |
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| 01:13.08 | seeker7 | waxhead: so true so i will see what i can find. thanks. |
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| 01:33.53 | phorce1 | OK, trying to get a wireless PCI card operational. Fresh Lenny install and the system currently has no net access (I don't have a 75' cable to reach the router). It's been a while since I've had to do it. How do I install CORRECT versions of things like lspci and make sure I have proper depends when I can only download to a WinXP box then sneakernet to the Lenny box (USB stick)? |
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| 01:35.07 | phorce1 | or, will Lenny play nice if I enable network sharing on the XP box and use it as a "router". It's here on my desk as well running wirelessly so the Ethernet port is open for use. |
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| 01:37.18 | phorce1 | (I'm currently at home, running XP, using putty to ssh into the Lenny machine sitting on my desk at work to use my open irssi session to be in here |
| 01:38.37 | Aenigma | if you're using putty |
| 01:38.42 | Aenigma | can't you just install from lenny? |
| 01:39.07 | Aenigma | instead of downloading to the xp box |
| 01:40.31 | phorce1 | Aenigma: 3 machines. 2 here at home. XP with working wireless connection to the net + a fresh lenny install with no connection to the. The lenny machine I'm using for irssi is about 5 miles from here. |
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| 01:44.55 | ScottG | pobega: :D |
| 01:45.18 | Aenigma | so you've a machine that can't connect to the network and you want to somehow install wireless drivers on it remotely? |
| 01:46.06 | Aenigma | or is lenny with you? |
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| 01:47.21 | Aenigma | Why don't you grab all the packages from you machine at home and install them |
| 01:47.24 | phorce1 | Aenigma: correct. Fresh lenny install can't connect to the network. Need to install basic tools like lspci then figure out which wireless drivers I nedd and install them |
| 01:48.08 | EchoEcho | Hello! I want to install just ONE package from debian-unstable, but use the stable packages for everything else. Is that possible? |
| 01:48.25 | phorce1 | Aenigma: the idea is to not keep driving back and forth the 5 miles between work and home. I have a net connection here, just not a net connected lenny machine |
| 01:49.27 | Aenigma | yeah, set up like an ftp at home and share your packages from there |
| 01:49.56 | Aenigma | and then you can download from XP and transfer to lenny |
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| 01:51.21 | craigevil | !tell EchoEcho about ssb |
| 01:51.54 | kairu0 | phorce1: so you dont know the chipset yet? |
| 01:52.29 | phorce1 | Aenigma: why would I need to download from my machine at work when I have access to the entire net (including debian.org) from the XP machine? |
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| 01:53.14 | phorce1 | kairu0: correct --- it's a card that used about 4 different chipsets as the card was revised over the years. Same model number on the card but different chipsets |
| 01:53.16 | EchoEcho | craigevil: thanks, I'll try that first. |
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| 01:54.31 | craigevil | phorce1: take a look at http://sushi-huh.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:54.35 | kairu0 | phorce1: dont you love that? lol |
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| 01:57.48 | phorce1 | craigevil: neat. testing in a sec. |
| 01:58.58 | EchoEcho | craigevil: it looks like that website is shutting down? |
| 01:59.18 | craigevil | EchoEcho: what website? |
| 01:59.28 | EchoEcho | http://backports.org |
| 01:59.49 | EchoEcho | Oh no, just for an older version of Debian >< nvm |
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| 02:04.41 | EchoEcho | craigevil: When adding backports.org to my sources list, I get the following error for my next "sudo apt-get update": The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 02:05.19 | craigevil | EchoEcho: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
| 02:05.45 | EchoEcho | craigevil: kk |
| 02:06.12 | craigevil | EchoEcho: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 02:06.45 | EchoEcho | I was reading that, didn't see the error mentioned, though they do have that solution. Just didn't make the connection. |
| 02:07.00 | zcat[1] | EchoEcho: also this might work; wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - |
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| 02:07.13 | EchoEcho | craigeveil's apt-get worked. |
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| 02:11.41 | jhujhiti | i'm establishing a simple ipsec tunnel with strongswan in lenny. SAs come up in both directions. here's a single ping: http://paste.debian.net/80841/ -- wtf? |
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| 02:30.19 | zebradog | !apt select |
| 02:30.39 | zebradog | wonders the shortcut for apt to configure http selectables |
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| 02:34.56 | abrotman | zebradog: apt-spy and netselect-apt .. but it's probably easier to use debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 02:39.45 | phorce1 | craigevil: heh -- sushi-huh requires that python be installed on the machine that I can't install anything on. Cute. |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | heh? huh? |
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| 02:41.30 | phorce1 | abrotman: http://sushi-huh.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 02:41.56 | craigevil | phorce1: ouch, then your best bet is going to be apt-zip, Keryx needs python as well http://keryxproject.org/ |
| 02:42.17 | phorce1 | abrotman: I'm trying to do a lenny install in a place where I have only wireless ---- and an unknown-chipset PCI wireless card. |
| 02:42.38 | abrotman | phorce1: lspci -nn .. what is the PCI ID ? |
| 02:42.56 | phorce1 | abrotman: lspci doesn't exist in a base install |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | did you use the netinst? |
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| 02:43.48 | zebradog | abrotman, what's the dpkg-reconfigure tip or other command to have a wizard set all the sources.list entries? (used netinst cd), i skipped this during install.. |
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| 02:44.12 | phorce1 | craigevil: sushi-huh works to download packages and make sure all the depends are also downloaded. It's just grabbing a bunch of not-needed stuff (like libc6) because I can't "synchronize" it with the lenny install |
| 02:44.24 | abrotman | zebradog: doesn't exist anymore |
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| 02:45.05 | phorce1 | abrotman: yes, unfortunately. It's all I had here. All my blank CD's are at the office so I couldn't pull and burn a full install CD. |
| 02:45.28 | abrotman | phorce1: netinst has lspci on it .. |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | and if you install 'standard', pciutils is installed |
| 02:46.39 | zebradog | abrotman, so pretty much if i skip it during install i have to build it from scratch.. |
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| 02:46.57 | phorce1 | abrotman: didn't install and aptitude said no-go. I may have gotten stupid and done something like pci-utils though. I just got it installed from a download. Now to find out what wireless I have |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | it's not that hard .. man sources.list or see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ |
| 02:48.20 | jrgill | is there something that succeeds etch? i'm trying debootstrap --arch i386 etch /zimbra http://ftp.debian.org/debian without success |
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| 02:48.47 | abrotman | etch isn't supported anymore .. see archive.debian.org |
| 02:48.58 | abrotman | and etch has known security issues |
| 02:49.15 | phorce1 | blech -- atheros ar5xx |
| 02:49.34 | abrotman | ath5k |
| 02:49.35 | zebradog | abrotman, oh yeah.. forgot about /usr/share/doc .. i believe they finally placed that there |
| 02:49.38 | abrotman | usually |
| 02:50.17 | abrotman | phorce1: though the pciid is really the more important part |
| 02:52.25 | phorce1 | abrotman: 168c:001d |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | judd: pciid 168c:001d |
| 02:52.43 | judd | [168c:001d] is 'AR5007G Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath5k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001d http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:53.02 | abrotman | phorce1: so you'll need the bpo kernel, or squeeze |
| 02:53.13 | phorce1 | crap |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | the bpo kernel isn't that big of a deal |
| 02:54.04 | phorce1 | abrotman: it is when you're working on a machine that has no Internet access at all. |
| 02:54.18 | jrgill | abrotman: what should I use instead of etch? |
| 02:54.37 | abrotman | lenny |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | jrgill: or ask #zimbra |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | phorce1: i'm just telling you the solution .. don't shoot the pony express rider! |
| 02:56.10 | phorce1 | abrotman: this is my home machine. I suppose squeeze is stable enough that I should just put this off a few more days and burn a squeeze CD then reinstall |
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| 02:56.44 | abrotman | phorce1: up to yuo .. the bpo kernel is decent enough as well |
| 02:58.01 | phorce1 | abrotman: but would actually require more work than a squeeze install if it has many dependencies |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | probably |
| 02:58.39 | phorce1 | if I can just grap the .deb and dpkg -i then it will be easier |
| 02:58.49 | abrotman | i think it has some deps |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | goes away |
| 02:59.50 | phorce1 | OMG! sarge backports have been discontinued! |
| 02:59.55 | phorce1 | <grin> |
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| 03:27.30 | SuperMiguel | how secure is openvpn when using a static key? |
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| 03:30.59 | Nai-ux | i hav a leny system that crashed , and the /var/log/messages time stamps the last seen was 6am, then it resumed logging during reboot after the crash at 1:25pm , there is no log in between ? messages.1 has ealier days |
| 03:33.36 | ngomes | Nai-ux, if the system crashed there are no logs |
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| 03:35.12 | Nai-ux | i was hoping for something to figure out what it was |
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| 03:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps... |
| 03:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !netconsole |
| 03:43.27 | dpkg | netconsole is a Linux kernel driver which logs kernel <printk> messages over UDP. It is commonly used to capture system crash information. http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt |
| 03:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nai-ux, ^^^^ |
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| 03:47.04 | Nai-ux | oh thanks |
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| 03:48.34 | jrgill | what package replaces libgmp3? |
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| 03:51.43 | jrgill | ? |
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| 03:53.48 | jrgill | nvm |
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| 03:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nai-ux, and if it doesn't repeat, you probably don't have to care too much what it was :-P |
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| 04:17.32 | tarkaram | is there a command to kill a certain pid after x number of mins ? |
| 04:18.11 | vsmatck | tarkaram: sleep 60 && kill -9 <PID> would accomplish this. |
| 04:19.46 | tarkaram | thanks ! |
| 04:20.35 | zebradog | tarkaram, you kill that pid, you kill it! |
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| 04:34.46 | el_isma | Hi. I'm installing php/apache in Debian for the first time ever, I've got apache running, I've copied a php example file to /var/www/example.php and when I try to load it in my browser, it says it wants to open a phtml file. I suppose I have to configure something else, but what? where? |
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| 04:53.15 | alcy | folks, how do I edit a few control scripts (postinst, postrm etc.) of a debian package and then repackage it, install it ? Lets say any package xyz from a repo which I don't control |
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| 04:53.38 | alcy | dpkg will probably not accept it right ? |
| 04:53.39 | dpkg | alcy: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 04:57.57 | jelly | alcy: dpkg --extract foo.deb somedir/ && dpkg --control foo.deb somedir/DEBIAN && $EDITOR somedir/DEBIAN/*, after you're happy, dpkg -b somedir . builds back a package |
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| 04:59.52 | crux000 | Speaking of RTFM, there's an option of mdadm (--assume-clean) which says "Use this only if you really know what you are doing." ... anyone used it before? :) I'm really really hoping I can scrape some data off a corrupted RAID5 array... |
| 05:00.20 | crux000 | (alt: is there a better/more specific place to ask about mdadm/RAID where folks will be awake?) |
| 05:00.28 | alcy | jelly: and after that will dpkg complain of any inconsistency/security issue if I use the same name for the package I modified ? Thanks for the info :0 |
| 05:00.48 | alcy | jelly: oops wrong smiley :) |
| 05:01.03 | jelly | alcy: dpkg doesn't care about such things |
| 05:01.15 | alcy | jelly: cool, thanks. |
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| 05:02.14 | jelly | alcy: you can edit somedir/DEBIAN/control and change version, package name or anything; changeing the package name however, may result in dependency issues |
| 05:02.55 | alcy | jelly: I need to edit a postinst script only. So, won;t touch the control file. |
| 05:02.55 | jelly | alcy: after you've installed such a package, consider /msg dpkg hold |
| 05:04.18 | alcy | jelly: will do |
| 05:04.35 | jelly | alcy: adding a string to the version number can be useful to see you have a modified package installed, later |
| 05:05.39 | alcy | jelly: thanks for the tip |
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| 05:14.55 | alcy | jelly: strange, I commented out the lines containing db_get, which I guess ask the user to enter some info, repackaged the package, sued dpkg -i to isntall it, but it still asks the user to enter details ? |
| 05:16.47 | alcy | jelly: my bad. guesss I forgot to save the file previously. |
| 05:16.57 | alcy | jelly: works now. |
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| 05:21.42 | jelly-home | alcy: te correct way to evade debconf questions is to either reconfigure debconf only to ask the most important, or to pre-fill the answers |
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| 05:23.36 | alcy | jelly: actually, no. it doesn't work. why are the changes I made not persistent in the postinst script ? (also, its not just I am trying to avoid user interaction, there are other parts of the postinst script I want to modify. but somehow changes are not being saved or are being overwritten. maybe try holding them ? |
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| 05:24.39 | jelly-home | alcy: if you didn't change the version, dpkg "knows" it doesn't need to install new scripts. purge the previously installed package, or increment the version number as suggested |
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| 05:26.20 | alcy | jelly-home: oh ok. problem is, tonnes of other packages depend on this package. so, changing the version would probably break things ? Also, I did try purging and then installing using the repackaged one, but same effect. |
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| 05:30.43 | jelly-home | alcy: you're missing something, then (the config script?). man 7 debconf; debugging binary package scripts at install time: run dpkg with env DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer; add set -x if they're shell scripts (but this may at times mess with debconf) |
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| 05:31.40 | jelly-home | alcy: which package and version exactly is this? Which debian release? |
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| 05:32.57 | alcy | jelly-home: packages made in house by devs around here at work. needed to change a few things. I am on lenny. |
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| 05:33.50 | jelly-home | "tell them to get a clue and/or hire a consultant" is out of the question I suppose |
| 05:34.58 | alcy | is embarrassed. |
| 05:35.11 | alcy | jelly-home: my fault again, can't even mention it. |
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| 05:35.25 | alcy | jelly-home: you've been really helpful, thanks mate. |
| 05:36.53 | tuv | the flashPlayer workaround for squeeze is not stable |
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| 05:40.28 | Arrowmaster | tuv: no kidding, it constantly crashes |
| 05:41.06 | Arrowmaster | at least it doesnt take the browser with it though when it segfaults |
| 05:41.10 | jelly-home | workaround? |
| 05:41.38 | Arrowmaster | running the 32bit flashplayer on a 64bit system using nspluginwrapper |
| 05:41.49 | jelly-home | why would I run a 64bit system? |
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| 05:42.21 | Metatron | maybe the html5 day will come and we can thumb our noses at flash |
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| 05:46.00 | bakingsoda | !ops |
| 05:46.00 | dpkg | methinks ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 05:46.08 | bakingsoda | fuck u motherfuckers |
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| 05:51.45 | tuv | you'd think now that html5 is in the horizon that flash will get its shit together. only it's getting worse, pinning nails in its own deathbed |
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| 05:52.38 | jelly-home | "on the horizon" means 3-5 years til all browsers get it _and_ decent development tools appear |
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| 05:53.38 | tuv | prefer to live in the mountains, where the 'horizon' is much closer |
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| 05:55.03 | Metatron | i think it will be sooner than 3-5 years, 1-2 years |
| 05:55.12 | Metatron | youtube already has beta html5 out there |
| 05:55.45 | dondelelcaro | whenever it is isn't on topic here |
| 05:56.02 | Metatron | ? |
| 05:56.29 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: just trying to scroll the troll lines off the screen! |
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| 05:58.34 | tuv | on topic: flash is barely, if at all, usable in squeeze |
| 05:58.50 | tuv | squeeze amd64, that is |
| 05:59.13 | themill | tuv: please tell Adobe. There's nothing we can do about it. |
| 06:05.06 | quiritius | tuv: actually, you can. use 32-bit flash with nspluginwrapper and for sites where it doesn't work make a chrooted install + schroot of iceweasel as described here http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292281 |
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| 06:07.13 | quiritius | tuv: do not bind anything, just schroot. also make your user member of groups audio, video. before launching browser issue 'xhost +local:' on host. and everything should work. |
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| 06:10.27 | jelly-home | quiritius: doesn't that make any local process able to sniff the user's keyboard and mouse |
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| 06:12.25 | clk | Hi - I have question about iproute2 in debian |
| 06:12.59 | quiritius | jelly-home: is it? didn't know it. anyway i am talking about a desktop system where it is not an issue. especially so when one would launch the 32-bit version only as an exception. and then 'xhost -local:' |
| 06:13.27 | jelly-home | quiritius: tho, they're trying to run flash anyway so that doesn't add much to the attack surface |
| 06:13.28 | clk | when I run the following command - i get an error |
| 06:13.28 | clk | ip route add 192.168.1.0 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.204 |
| 06:13.29 | clk | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 06:13.49 | clk | however, ip route add 192.168.2.0 dev eth1 src 192.168.2.204 |
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| 06:13.51 | clk | works fine |
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| 06:14.15 | clk | the error message is rather cryptic |
| 06:14.24 | clk | so not able to figure out what's wrong here? |
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| 06:14.41 | clk | any ideas anyone? |
| 06:15.10 | lindi- | clk: please run iki.fi/lindi/print-net-settings |
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| 06:16.41 | quiritius | jelly-home: sotimes you have to do something to that flash "content"... anyway, is there a nicer way for a chrooted app to connect to X? |
| 06:17.19 | jelly-home | quiritius: make the X11 socket appear under the chroot |
| 06:17.35 | clk | lindi- i will put in pastebin - just a moment |
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| 06:18.21 | lindi- | quiritius: bind mounted /tmp is the nicest way |
| 06:18.39 | lindi- | quiritius: or are you talking about security issues? |
| 06:19.04 | jelly-home | quiritius: /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 (possibly some other stuff might be needed) |
| 06:19.30 | jelly-home | lindi-: the context was how much exposure "xhost +local:" adds |
| 06:19.30 | lindi- | quiritius: if you run iceweasel/flash as your normal user then chroot won't help you. you need to run it as a different user |
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| 06:19.45 | lindi- | jelly-home: pretty much everything |
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| 06:20.01 | lindi- | jelly-home: you can take screenshots, sniff keyboard, open terminal and type commands |
| 06:20.13 | quiritius | lindi-: the only security issue with me is that if i bind anything on host system, i can later forget to un-bind it when i erase chroot. |
| 06:20.18 | jelly-home | lindi-: but you need to define "everything" and "you" |
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| 06:20.45 | clk | lindi: http://pastebin.com/aujukxpS |
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| 06:20.54 | quiritius | lindi-: is the /tmp the only thing to bind in this case? |
| 06:21.57 | jelly-home | quiritius: you'll also want to get your xauth cookie into that chroot |
| 06:22.03 | lindi- | quiritius: forgetting to unbind has killed one /home for me yes :) |
| 06:22.09 | xro | hi, i would like to remove graphical environnement from one of my server.... what should i do? (apt-get remove gnome?) |
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| 06:22.34 | jelly-home | !tell xro about remove gnome |
| 06:22.34 | lindi- | jelly-home: for X, yes |
| 06:22.40 | lindi- | jelly-home: but you need ~/.XAuthority too |
| 06:22.48 | jelly-home | lindi-: that's what I said. |
| 06:23.04 | lindi- | yeah small lag here :) |
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| 06:23.18 | quiritius | jelly-home: will schoot -p copy that xauth coojie into the chroot? |
| 06:23.25 | quiritius | *cookie |
| 06:23.41 | clk | lindi - did you get my pastebin - http://pastebin.com/aujukxpS |
| 06:23.43 | jelly-home | quiritius: I have no idea what schroot does, sorry |
| 06:23.52 | lindi- | clk: yep |
| 06:24.05 | lindi- | quiritius: you can configure schroot to execute any action on entering chroot |
| 06:24.16 | jelly-home | quiritius: the cookies hide in the file lindi- quoted -- ~/.Xauthority |
| 06:24.24 | xro | jelly-home, thank you, just to be sure, i have to purge these package (~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2) and nothing more? it's my first time and it is on a prod server... |
| 06:24.34 | lindi- | quiritius: "dpkg -L schroot|xargs grep -i authority" does not print anything so I guess schroot does not do it |
| 06:25.45 | quiritius | lindi-: jelly-home: so i configure it manually through schroot, thanx! |
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| 06:26.02 | lindi- | clk: what does '192.168.2.0 dev eth1 scope link src 192.168.2.204' even mean? |
| 06:26.25 | lindi- | quiritius: if you want security you should run the browser as different UID |
| 06:26.37 | lindi- | quiritius: I think schroot can do that |
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| 06:26.47 | clk | lindi: I am trying this out -> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 06:26.53 | jelly-home | xro: that will remove all the packages dependent on those. Inspect the output and make sure it doesn't remove something you need |
| 06:28.08 | lindi- | clk: I think "*_NET" is supposed to have 192.168.2.0/24 there |
| 06:28.13 | clk | 192.168.2.0 dev eth1 scope link src |
| 06:28.16 | clk | is what happens when |
| 06:28.20 | xro | jelly-home, ok thank you for your advices! |
| 06:28.24 | lindi- | clk: without "/24" you are really not describing the network |
| 06:28.25 | clk | ip route add 192.168.2.0 dev eth1 src 192.168.2.204 |
| 06:28.26 | clk | runs |
| 06:28.35 | lindi- | clk: it runs but makes almost no sense |
| 06:28.55 | clk | i also tried running ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.204 |
| 06:29.03 | lindi- | clk: nobody is going to send a packet to 192.168.2.0 so your route is not useful |
| 06:29.05 | quiritius | lindi-: i know how to do it with a different user. the same user is awkward anyway since you have to kill the 64-bit version of the app anyway. i will reconfigure chroot/schroot as you suggest |
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| 06:29.23 | lindi- | quiritius: ah you have non-free flash in the mix? ;) |
| 06:30.14 | clk | lindi: In http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html -> am in interpreting the following 2 commands incorrectly then? |
| 06:30.15 | clk | ip route add $P1_NET dev $IF1 src $IP1 |
| 06:30.15 | clk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:30.41 | clk | in my case P1_NET is 192.168.1.0/24 & P2_NET would be 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 06:30.49 | quiritius | lindi-: of course :) i want to configure everything, sit back and watch the damn flash wither and die over next years :) |
| 06:30.54 | clk | IF1 -> eth0 IP1 -> 192.168.1.204 |
| 06:31.17 | lindi- | clk: P1_NET should contain network mask |
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| 06:31.42 | lindi- | clk: then why did you use "192.168.2.0" without /24? |
| 06:31.54 | clk | I tried both with & without the 24 |
| 06:31.58 | clk | same error |
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| 06:34.06 | clk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.06 | clk | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 06:34.41 | lindi- | clk: hmm. |
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| 06:35.11 | clk | where as ip route add 192.168.2.0 dev eth1 src 192.168.2.204 works with & without the netmask |
| 06:35.19 | lindi- | clk: you already have '192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.104' there? |
| 06:35.31 | lindi- | clk: and now you are trying to add one with 'src 192.168.1.204' |
| 06:35.36 | lindi- | clk: you can't have both? |
| 06:35.43 | lindi- | clk: it works but makes no sense |
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| 06:39.18 | clk1 | sorry got disconnected |
| 06:40.14 | clk1 | lindi : -> nothing works through eth0 |
| 06:40.20 | clk1 | i.e. the commands i mean |
| 06:40.24 | clk1 | for adding defaults |
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| 06:40.38 | Zambezi | I'm running Squeeze. grub-pc upgraded, should I install it to /dev/sda1 which is root? /dev/sda is also listed. I'll ignore the other drives of course. |
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| 06:41.19 | lindi- | clk1: heh |
| 06:41.51 | clk1 | lindi - any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 06:42.37 | lindi- | clk1: you probably missed the last lines |
| 06:42.58 | lindi- | clk1: http://paste.debian.net/80859/ |
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| 06:43.58 | jelly-home | Zambezi: grub2 is typically installed into MBR of the whole disk, in fact Debian scripts used to not support installation to a partition boot record at all; I don't know if this changed. |
| 06:44.48 | rares | you can install to partition but why? |
| 06:45.00 | clk1 | lindi - i deleted that route now |
| 06:45.03 | clk1 | Now I have |
| 06:45.04 | clk1 | ip route list |
| 06:45.04 | clk1 | 192.168.30.0/24 dev eth2 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.30.1 |
| 06:45.04 | clk1 | 192.168.40.0/24 dev eth3 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.40.1 |
| 06:45.04 | clk1 | default via 192.168.2.1 dev eth1 |
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| 06:45.06 | Zambezi | jelly-home: The other drives are encrypted so I'm not taking a chance here... |
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| 06:45.29 | clk1 | i deleted that route now |
| 06:45.37 | clk1 | now |
| 06:45.38 | clk1 | ip route list |
| 06:45.43 | clk1 | 192.168.30.0/24 dev eth2 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.30.1 |
| 06:45.48 | clk1 | 192.168.40.0/24 dev eth3 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.40.1 |
| 06:45.51 | clk1 | default via 192.168.2.1 dev eth1 |
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| 06:46.15 | clk1 | but same error |
| 06:46.16 | clk1 | ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.204 |
| 06:46.17 | clk1 | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 06:46.29 | jelly-home | clk1: please use a pastebin for more lines than 3-4 |
| 06:46.34 | clk1 | ok - sorry |
| 06:46.52 | clk1 | will use pastebin nexttime |
| 06:46.53 | jelly-home | clk1: you don't have a route to 192.168.1.204 defined. |
| 06:47.19 | clk1 | how do i add 1? |
| 06:47.57 | jelly-home | clk1: is 192.168.1.204 in a local segment for an interface? |
| 06:48.25 | lindi- | clk1: hmm, pasting all this here is not very good idea |
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| 06:48.49 | jelly-home | clk1: paste the current output of "ip r" and "ip a" into a pastebin |
| 06:49.26 | lindi- | clk1: just run print-net-settings again and paste it to paste.debian.net |
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| 06:49.36 | lindi- | clk1: it provides what jelly-home asked |
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| 06:49.45 | lindi- | (and much more) |
| 06:49.52 | jelly-home | wtf is print-net-settings |
| 06:51.07 | lindi- | jelly-home: iki.fi/lindi/print-net-settings |
| 06:51.30 | lindi- | jelly-home: I'm tired of asking all the network information one by one :) |
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| 06:52.25 | jelly-home | iptables-save will save you lines in the script |
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| 06:53.05 | lindi- | jelly-home: only iptables |
| 06:53.54 | jelly-home | why dd? |
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| 06:54.30 | lindi- | jelly-home: don't recall anymore :) |
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| 06:54.48 | lindi- | jelly-home: ah, it's there because of a dash feature |
| 06:55.02 | lindi- | jelly-home: to reduce non-determinism of set -x |
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| 06:55.37 | lindi- | jelly-home: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567648 |
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| 06:56.07 | jelly-home | ah, same bug as in fuser |
| 06:57.11 | jelly-home | er, not the same. fuser at least dumps whole lines on stderr |
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| 07:04.18 | lindi- | jelly-home: which bug #? |
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| 07:09.45 | jelly-home | I never filed it |
| 07:10.16 | lindi- | jelly-home: ah, what's the issue? |
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| 07:11.10 | jelly-home | fuser writes file names to stdout and process numbers on stderr, 2>&1 | less often results in out-of-order lines |
| 07:11.37 | lindi- | jelly-home: that is probably a feature? |
| 07:11.48 | lindi- | stdout and stderr are not supposed to be in sync |
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| 07:12.10 | jelly-home | the author assumes they will be |
| 07:12.29 | lindi- | oh |
| 07:12.39 | jelly-home | and when run in an interactive terminal, the output looks okay |
| 07:12.53 | lindi- | part of psmisc |
| 07:13.50 | lindi- | Werner Almesberger? he's everywhere :) |
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| 07:14.03 | Dewi | jelly-home: the timing of those 2 channels can be very easy to disrupt |
| 07:14.30 | lindi- | jelly-home: please report a bug, i'm sure we can reason with him |
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| 07:14.56 | Dewi | jelly-home: I've always wanted to render stderr in a different colour but I never found a way to do it without causing issues |
| 07:15.07 | warreng | a previous administrator setup a whole bunch of iptables/ipchains rules on a box... and now that it's behind a firewall, those aren't needed anymore... what's the easiest way to allow *ALL* incoming/outgoing traffic to this box? |
| 07:15.42 | Dewi | warreng: assuming the policies are at their defaults, the simplest way is to erase them all |
| 07:15.49 | robertkeizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.57 | Dewi | warreng: also assuming you don't have any other stuff in there for auditing, traffic control, etc etc |
| 07:16.21 | warreng | do i have to reload something? |
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| 07:17.03 | Dewi | actually don't quote me, I can't remember what the default policies truly are |
| 07:17.09 | warreng | hmm... that didn't work |
| 07:17.14 | warreng | all the existing rules are still there |
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| 07:17.28 | ElllisD | I'm confused on how /etc/exports syntax. If I tell it /path/to/foo 192.168.101.0(options) it doesn't work for the whole network |
| 07:17.38 | Dewi | warreng: what are the policies listed at the top of iptables -L ? |
| 07:17.41 | warreng | there's a drop rule it looks like: |
| 07:17.41 | warreng | DROP all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 07:17.51 | warreng | ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 07:17.52 | warreng | is first |
| 07:17.53 | warreng | DROP is last |
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| 07:17.56 | Dewi | warreng: if they are ACCEPT you can just iptables -F to flush the rules away |
| 07:18.04 | project2501a | um, which package is the perl dbi package? i've searched with apt-cahe and it brings up a truckload of packages. |
| 07:18.06 | warreng | will that kill my current SSH? |
| 07:18.11 | warreng | and all connections |
| 07:18.21 | Dewi | warreng: yes, be careful |
| 07:18.23 | warreng | i want to flush all rules and allow all traffic |
| 07:18.33 | project2501a | got it. libdbi-perl |
| 07:18.54 | Dewi | warreng: the command robertkeizer gave you will have added that first rule |
| 07:19.06 | robertkeizer | warreng: Changing iptables in runtime does not require a reload. You can delete individual lines using iptables -D CHAINNAME <number> . The first one, the one above allows everything in no matter what. |
| 07:19.17 | warreng | even if there's deny's later on? |
| 07:19.29 | Dewi | warreng: yes because ACCEPT ends processing |
| 07:19.52 | warreng | hm, something else is up then.. |
| 07:19.58 | robertkeizer | warreng: yes. Top to bottom, if a rule is matched at the top the packet does not continue getting filtered through the rules. |
| 07:19.59 | warreng | i can get to it from one box, but not another |
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| 07:20.13 | Dewi | warreng: you might need to do the output chain as well |
| 07:20.19 | warreng | ahh yes |
| 07:20.31 | warreng | same thing, just OUPTUT instead of INPUT? |
| 07:20.39 | Dewi | warreng: yes |
| 07:20.51 | warreng | boooyahh! |
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| 07:21.13 | warreng | thank you kindly, that worked!! |
| 07:21.19 | Dewi | warreng: you should be able to get rid of all the others. Note that iptables state is not persisted after reboot tho |
| 07:21.29 | warreng | this box is being formatted in a day or two.. |
| 07:21.32 | Dewi | warreng: you need to find what is populating each boot and change it |
| 07:21.33 | warreng | i just needed to get data off it :-D |
| 07:21.38 | Dewi | warreng: oh well it doesn't matter then |
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| 07:29.27 | ukl | hello #debian. Has anybody managed to install (or upgrade to) gnome-shell 2.31.5-1 ? |
| 07:29.44 | Deathvalley122 | is there anyway to get the full repo list I am missing alot of repos on vps |
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| 07:32.17 | lindi- | ukl: popcon.debian.org? ;) |
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| 07:42.10 | ethanol | Deathvalley122: you add them to your sources.list |
| 07:42.18 | ethanol | morning people |
| 07:42.46 | Deathvalley122 | alot of them are missing ethanol |
| 07:43.29 | ethanol | Deathvalley122: you assume wrong |
| 07:43.41 | Deathvalley122 | no I'm not |
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| 07:44.27 | Deathvalley122 | ethanol: http://pastebin.com/KKYNtaTh |
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| 07:44.48 | Deathvalley122 | its to 10 mins on pastebin kinda have to hurry |
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| 07:46.00 | themill | Deathvalley122: there's nothing wrong with that sources.list |
| 07:46.14 | Deathvalley122 | well |
| 07:46.32 | themill | Deathvalley122: how about you explain your real problem... |
| 07:46.53 | Deathvalley122 | I can't install inspircd on it cause it keeps saying the repos are missing |
| 07:47.26 | Deathvalley122 | or I should say compile from source |
| 07:47.41 | themill | ,versions inspircd |
| 07:47.42 | judd | inspircd -- etch-backports: 1.1.18+dfsg-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.1.22+dfsg-3; sid: 1.1.22+dfsg-4; squeeze: 1.1.22+dfsg-4 |
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| 07:48.31 | themill | Deathvalley122: I still don't know what it is you're actually trying to do, what isn't working and what the exact error message is. Guessing isn't as fun as you may think. |
| 07:48.53 | Deathvalley122 | about gcc and gcc is already installed |
| 07:49.32 | gnomekkk | Hello everyone, what's the name of gui of apt in debian desktop? |
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| 07:51.07 | Deathvalley122 | themill: http://pastebin.com/ZqNq8Tc0 |
| 07:51.25 | Deathvalley122 | and when I try to build the dep for it this what I get |
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| 07:52.02 | Deathvalley122 | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
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| 07:54.08 | lindi- | Deathvalley122: is ispircd DFSG-free? |
| 07:54.14 | lindi- | ah, is |
| 07:54.16 | lindi- | ignore :) |
| 07:54.28 | Deathvalley122 | its open source |
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| 07:59.38 | themill | !b-e Deathvalley122 |
| 07:59.39 | dpkg | Deathvalley122: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 08:00.01 | Deathvalley122 | how? |
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| 08:04.58 | eagles0513875|2 | Deathvalley122: poke |
| 08:05.08 | Deathvalley122 | yes |
| 08:05.17 | eagles0513875|2 | listen guys Deathvalley122 is missing alot of the normal debian repos |
| 08:05.40 | eagles0513875|2 | as it seems the data center sets up super stripped down vps's |
| 08:05.47 | eagles0513875|2 | hence the quick reinstallations |
| 08:05.52 | lindi- | hmm |
| 08:06.03 | lindi- | sounds like a security issue |
| 08:06.17 | lindi- | if you can fake such a stripped down mirror |
| 08:06.36 | eagles0513875|2 | lindi-: its not me or Deathvalley122 its the data center |
| 08:07.03 | eagles0513875|2 | lindi-: the only reason i woudl think they do it is to save bandwidth and minimize downtime for the clients |
| 08:07.52 | Deathvalley122 | so do I get the full list of repos? |
| 08:08.21 | eagles0513875|2 | listen if need be Deathvalley122 ill copy the list of ur server and pastebin it for you |
| 08:08.32 | Deathvalley122 | okay |
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| 08:10.41 | lindi- | eagles0513875|2: yes but debian should detect such tampering |
| 08:11.00 | eagles0513875|2 | lindi-: i probably wouldnt be suprised if the dc suppresses those warnings |
| 08:11.07 | eagles0513875|2 | so they can install the stripped down version |
| 08:11.15 | lindi- | eagles0513875|2: argh :) |
| 08:12.01 | themill | eagles0513875|2: you're telling me they're taking ftp.de.debian.org and have subverted the debian keyring in the process? I don't believe you. |
| 08:12.21 | eagles0513875|2 | themill: anything is possible i dont work for these cursed dc's |
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| 08:12.27 | eagles0513875|2 | only god knows whats going through their mind |
| 08:12.46 | Deathvalley122 | we'll find out soon enough I just submitted a ticket |
| 08:12.47 | antgel | hi all. bit urgent this - am using irssi from the console |
| 08:12.57 | themill | eagles0513875|2: a user not being able to run "aptitude install build-essential" does not mean that the data centre has screwed around with the repos |
| 08:12.59 | antgel | my hibernate problem won't go away, even disabling kms |
| 08:13.18 | antgel | right now, i've just resumed, and my X session won't come back |
| 08:13.25 | Deathvalley122 | themill: apt is fine |
| 08:13.28 | eagles0513875|2 | themill: right now i have no idea what they do 1 dc has tampered with the centos installs |
| 08:13.29 | Deathvalley122 | I can run apt |
| 08:13.30 | antgel | X is still running, as are all programs |
| 08:13.46 | antgel | but when i go to alt-f7, i get a text-mode cursor and gpm mouse pointer |
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| 08:13.52 | themill | Deathvalley122: you've not shown us anything that indicates any problem yet |
| 08:14.08 | antgel | holy crap |
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| 08:14.10 | eagles0513875|2 | Deathvalley122: show him the output when trying to compile the ircd you want to use |
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| 08:14.23 | Deathvalley122 | I did that O.o |
| 08:14.26 | antgel | when i go to alt-f8 - which should have nothing on it - i get a display on my external monitor |
| 08:14.27 | themill | eagles0513875|2: he needs to install a compiler. Seriously. This isn't hard. |
| 08:14.36 | themill | eagles0513875|2: [08:59] <dpkg> Deathvalley122: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 08:14.45 | Flashtek | wheee... |
| 08:14.48 | antgel | right, i can work with that - will update my bug report |
| 08:15.00 | eagles0513875|2 | themill: the error he was getting was related to gcc woudl build-essential fix the missing gcc compiler |
| 08:15.26 | Flashtek | i was about to ask about bug reports.. is it http://bugs.debian.org ? |
| 08:15.30 | Deathvalley122 | http://pastebin.com/fpU4HSUy |
| 08:15.32 | themill | eagles0513875|2: take a guess at what build-essential is for. And seriously, if you can't read and understand a really simple error message like that, please don't run an ircd. |
| 08:15.34 | Arrowmaster | eagles0513875|2: yes it would |
| 08:15.41 | Deathvalley122 | which gcc compiler is installed |
| 08:15.54 | antgel | hmm, xorg is taking up like 60% CPU |
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| 08:16.06 | antgel | my squeeze experience has been very frustrating so far, i must say |
| 08:16.35 | themill | antgel: "/msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting" is normally quite useful, but I don't know if that guide has been updated for KMS etc |
| 08:16.45 | eagles0513875|2 | RAGE QUIT |
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| 08:16.51 | samfisher | hi |
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| 08:16.57 | themill | antgel: and that page doesn't exist any more anyway :( |
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| 08:17.07 | samfisher | does anyome knows how I could dowload all files from this page? http://blog.jointelecom.com/lang_enarhiva-electronica-revista-tehnium-1971-2001lang_en/ |
| 08:17.10 | antgel | themill: sucks :( |
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| 08:17.14 | Flashtek | samfisher: wget -m |
| 08:17.23 | samfisher | Flashtek: thank you |
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| 08:19.35 | antgel_ | and now xorg isn't using lots of cpu |
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| 08:20.13 | uwjweq | Hello. I have problems with an "Asus A6000" it will not boot from any burned CD I supplied it with sofar (bios settings are ok). This is preventing me from installing Debian. Did you have a similar problem? I can not find anything about it on the net. Any ideas on how to fix this are welcome |
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| 08:26.57 | petemc | uwjweq: does the disc work on other machines? do other bootable discs work on the asus? |
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| 08:27.37 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:27.47 | gypsymauro | there is not a bunzip2 binary on debian lenny? |
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| 08:28.31 | koollman | gypsymauro: there's one in the bzip2 package. maybe it's not installed |
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| 08:28.47 | gypsymauro | doh! |
| 08:28.52 | gypsymauro | sorry is monday morning.. |
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| 08:37.47 | clk | Hi - have another question about iproute |
| 08:38.09 | clk | can you run ip route commands using the Quad netmask notation instead of the CIDR notation |
| 08:38.30 | clk | i.e. how do I run ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.204 |
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| 08:38.40 | clk | using 255.255.255.0 instead of /24 |
| 08:39.28 | daltio | guys what should i see on system say memory staus , paging space is upto that level of utilzation is normal for debian and beyond that leve is problematic |
| 08:39.29 | clk | does ip route understand the regular netmask notation? |
| 08:39.51 | daltio | say 90 % mem usage is probleamtic or its ok what should be average load |
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| 08:43.58 | b0fh_ua | Hello! How do I get JAVA_HOME with installed JDK on gentoo? Is there any tool/script for that available from packages? |
| 08:44.01 | sh4rma | hi |
| 08:44.17 | b0fh_ua | something similar to java-config in gentoo? |
| 08:44.18 | lhx | NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM! |
| 08:44.30 | sh4rma | how I can record and audio output from a cli app to a wav file with sox for example? |
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| 08:46.07 | uwjweq | petemc: Windows XP recovery disc did boot. The Debian install disc did work with no problem when I put it inside a DELL I also succesfully installed it on some school computers. |
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| 08:46.22 | lhx | NOM NOM? |
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| 08:49.16 | daltio | ? |
| 08:49.18 | daltio | any idea |
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| 08:53.50 | daltio | i am writing a key performance indicator that mem status should be <90 % |
| 08:54.00 | daltio | else my system is doing abnormally |
| 08:54.02 | daltio | any idea |
| 08:54.09 | daltio | what should i add for KPI |
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| 08:56.31 | lhx | NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM! |
| 08:56.37 | mix22891 | hello |
| 08:57.18 | mix22891 | i have 1 broken in software source |
| 08:57.34 | mix22891 | broken line |
| 08:58.02 | mix22891 | how do i fine the line? |
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| 08:58.31 | mix22891 | please |
| 08:58.47 | jelly | !ask |
| 08:58.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:58.51 | jelly | !patience |
| 08:58.52 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 08:59.08 | mix22891 | i can't do update |
| 08:59.34 | mix22891 | my snorkel is low |
| 08:59.40 | mix22891 | shnorkel |
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| 09:00.00 | mix22891 | ×× ××××£ ××× ×××§× ×××××£ |
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| 09:00.08 | cristi8 | how do i get the gcc flags needed to compile something that uses a -dev package? |
| 09:00.10 | mix22891 | shnaz |
| 09:00.13 | mix22891 | shnaz |
| 09:00.16 | mix22891 | shnaz |
| 09:00.20 | mix22891 | ya ya ya |
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| 09:00.30 | mix22891 | bak |
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| 09:00.33 | mix22891 | bak |
| 09:00.44 | mix22891 | duuuud |
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| 09:02.05 | mix22891 | no HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP?!!!!!!!??? |
| 09:02.11 | mix22891 | ill kiiil |
| 09:02.19 | mix22891 | sjr |
| 09:02.20 | mix22891 | jdsyr |
| 09:02.33 | mix22891 | kok |
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| 09:03.02 | tapper | wonders where the op is with the big steel-capped boots? |
| 09:03.11 | simonrvn | mix22891: stop trolling the channel and state the problem more clearly |
| 09:03.19 | jgeboski | mix22891: weren't you just in ##linux being a pain? |
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| 09:04.22 | mix22891 | just |
| 09:04.34 | jelly | jgeboski: seems more like a <mix22891> kok |
| 09:06.46 | krion | hi |
| 09:10.19 | mix22891 | kuk |
| 09:10.51 | mix22891 | jellyyyyy |
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| 09:12.13 | daniel4 | hello |
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| 09:16.22 | cristi8 | *: i have installed package libgdchart-gd2-xpm-dev , and i am not able to compile an example, as i get linker errors. . How do i get the list of gcc parameters to use gdchart? |
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| 09:23.58 | danslo | cristi8: try -lgd |
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| 09:25.29 | danslo | or -lgdchart |
| 09:25.31 | simonrvn | could be something like that ^^ or -lgd2 or -lgdchart |
| 09:25.39 | danslo | ^^ |
| 09:25.47 | cristi8 | danslo: i still get undefined reference to `out_graph' . and if i add -lgdc i get this http://codepad.org/JRGz1C61 |
| 09:26.37 | danslo | cristi8: do you have libgdc installed? I dont have a debian box to verify that package name :) |
| 09:26.40 | cristi8 | lgd2 and lgdchart cannot be found |
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| 09:28.28 | cristi8 | aptitude says libgdc cannot be found, but a few packages that have libgdc in their name. they're all in the form libgdchart* |
| 09:28.45 | simonrvn | libgdchart-gd2-xpm-dev: /usr/include/{gdchart,gdcpie,gdc}.h |
| 09:28.53 | danslo | oh, my bad :) didn't properly interpret that codepad |
| 09:29.54 | simonrvn | i don't have it installed so i can't check the header files, but you might need to either do something like -lgd[2] -lgdchart or such. |
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| 09:30.04 | simonrvn | check the README |
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| 09:30.27 | simonrvn | there's sample .c files, look at those |
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| 09:36.16 | cristi8 | simonrvn: readme doesn't say anything useful, and the example files give about the same linker errors |
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| 09:36.55 | simonrvn | no, *look* i.e. read them |
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| 09:43.03 | smhar | I have a challenging situation. I am in an internet cafe. I have notebook that does not have a working internet connectivity during installation. No, wifi, no ethernet, and I do not have a usb key in hand. I am installing debian testing from netinstall small cd. I have an old suse and systemrescue CDs. I have one blank cd. I have another notebook with debian and working internet. what are my options to complete the installation of the first notebook |
| 09:43.16 | cristi8 | simonrvn: i just did that, but no compile hints |
| 09:43.55 | jelly | !rube goldberg install |
| 09:43.55 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 09:44.17 | ga_bash | lol |
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| 09:45.10 | ga_bash | smhar: you do not have cdrom drive ? |
| 09:45.15 | jelly | smhar: does the notebook have a working OS on it? |
| 09:45.59 | ga_bash | smhar: do a pxe/tftp install |
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| 09:46.17 | smhar | ga_bash, yes. jelly, no, only basic debian install |
| 09:46.49 | ga_bash | smhar: then get the full fledged dvd image from debian.org and update from it |
| 09:47.08 | danslo | smhar: you have an empty cd, get the full cd image and burn it |
| 09:47.32 | jelly | smhar: figure out the correct firmware and wifi configuration needed, burn it to the medium. |
| 09:47.48 | jelly | danslo: that won't be any different than netinst |
| 09:47.55 | BiGViC | Wow my palm Centro never fails me tethering even works in linux :-) |
| 09:48.02 | jelly | danslo: (wrt the wifi connectivity) |
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| 09:48.18 | danslo | jelly: the question was how to complete the installation :P |
| 09:48.34 | smhar | jelly. it asked for a wifi firmware during installation: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode . I am not sure if this is included in the full cd |
| 09:48.42 | jelly | smhar: it's not. |
| 09:49.20 | jelly | smhar: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
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| 09:50.00 | jelly | smhar: borrow a usb stick ;-) |
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| 09:50.21 | smhar | jelly, can I make a custom debian installation cd from debian.org? |
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| 09:50.36 | smhar | jelly, I am wasting some time alone here :-) |
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| 09:52.49 | smhar | jelly, oh, and I have a usb 3g HUAWEI, but I do not remember what package it needs to work. I am using wvdial with it in the other notebook |
| 09:53.10 | ga_bash | smhar: burn the dvd image |
| 09:53.41 | smhar | ga, no blank dvd, and no dvd drive in the other computer |
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| 09:56.24 | ga_bash | smhar: get the basic install and then get the wvdial binary and update the drivers/libs that you need. |
| 09:56.26 | jelly | smhar: you might need usb-modeswitch for some of those, but it's not essential |
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| 09:57.08 | themill | dokma: stop ircing as root. |
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| 10:00.02 | dokma | Guys, my keyboard is not working very well under Xorg after reboot. |
| 10:00.32 | dokma | I'm typing this from console. Under Xorg I need to press every key 2 times and it's all messed up... |
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| 10:01.00 | dokma | What could I check first? |
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| 10:03.23 | dokma | Anyone? Is there any way to reset the keyboard under Xorg or something like that? |
| 10:03.53 | uwjweq | dokma: Any idea on what you did before it broke? |
| 10:04.15 | dokma | uwjweq: I rebooted the machine after it's been up for more than a month |
| 10:04.23 | dokma | I probably installed a few things in the mean time |
| 10:04.40 | dokma | the reboot was due to my fans becoming increasingly noisy and cpu temp was way up |
| 10:04.48 | dokma | so I cleaned the fans on the cpu and psu |
| 10:05.14 | dokma | But after I booted the keyboard under Xorg is very strange... |
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| 10:06.03 | dokma | For example I need to hit a key twice in order to get a letter typed |
| 10:06.12 | dokma | and for some letters even that does not work |
| 10:06.35 | dokma | The scroll indicator light is going on and off all the time as I try to type anything |
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| 10:07.56 | dokma | 7 |
| 10:08.17 | Bushmills | check in menu, accessibility, keyboard, whether some funny mode is active |
| 10:08.20 | dokma | is there a way to quickly reset the keyboard config or something? |
| 10:08.51 | dokma | Bushmills: this starts already at the login screen even before I can go to the control center in KDE |
| 10:08.55 | Bushmills | having to press a key for at least x milliseconds before it registers is an indication that there is |
| 10:09.11 | Bushmills | ah. cordless keyboard? |
| 10:09.28 | daltio | Jelly |
| 10:09.39 | dokma | no... it's USB connected via converter to PS2 |
| 10:09.44 | daltio | what parameters should i consider for opimum usage of debain system |
| 10:09.49 | daltio | in terms of CPU mem |
| 10:09.56 | rvsjoen | parameters ? |
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| 10:10.15 | jelly | daltio: do you need a consultant? |
| 10:10.15 | Bushmills | daltio: the parameter "don't use X" may be beneficial |
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| 10:11.09 | daltio | well i want to write a doc for my debian machine that CPU should be less 90% for optimum performance |
| 10:11.18 | daltio | mem shuld be 80% |
| 10:11.20 | daltio | etc |
| 10:11.30 | Bushmills | 100% mem use is optimum |
| 10:11.38 | Bushmills | 80% is 20% wasted |
| 10:11.41 | daltio | can u guide me what parameter should i write that help be to say my mchine is running OK |
| 10:12.23 | daltio | no 100 mem usage means i have to add more its creating bottlenck 100% mean i have to check whether my system is working or not |
| 10:12.35 | Bushmills | incorrect |
| 10:12.36 | daltio | i am writing key performance indicators |
| 10:12.58 | jelly | daltio: how long have you been a user or an admin of Linux systems? |
| 10:13.03 | Bushmills | 100% use does not mean "bottleneck" |
| 10:13.39 | SlayerXP | daltio: no, 100% usage is fine, provided that's not 100% active usage |
| 10:13.39 | daltio | see if its 100% then if another porcess comes in system will not perform it |
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| 10:13.39 | Bushmills | incorrect |
| 10:13.39 | dokma | Anyone know how to correctly do something like aptitude reinstall '*xorg*' |
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| 10:14.09 | smhar | how to 'redownload' a package with All its required packages? |
| 10:15.15 | Bushmills | daltio: look at monit, for checking (and ensuring) that your system works correctly |
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| 10:15.48 | Bushmills | it will even kill processes or reboot the system when they take too much resources |
| 10:16.08 | Bushmills | restart processes, that is |
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| 10:16.38 | daltio | Bushmill its working fine |
| 10:16.58 | Bushmills | then monit won't do anything |
| 10:17.14 | daltio | no no i think you do not understand what i am asking |
| 10:17.44 | Bushmills | yes. you want a paper to assure that the machine continues running fine |
| 10:18.08 | Bushmills | but there are programs which can do what you hope the paper to do |
| 10:18.24 | daltio | my system is working OK i am writing a doc which states that if my mem is utilizing 90% of usage its ok but if some process is accuring more then 90 and not releasing it means now system has some issues |
| 10:18.34 | Bushmills | and then? |
| 10:19.57 | Bushmills | how would the paper recycle the offending process? |
| 10:21.00 | daltio | act what should b CPU usgase if i say CPU usgage is 90% and system crash at 60% mem usage then its KPI is not 90% |
| 10:21.04 | daltio | should be 60% |
| 10:21.11 | uwjweq | dokma: dpkg-reconfigure xorg will reconfigure X. |
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| 10:21.41 | dokma | uwjweq thanks |
| 10:21.41 | Bushmills | monit allows you to describe "if process apache used more than 60% of all mem for 5 min or more, then restart apache" |
| 10:21.51 | daltio | Performance measurement for my system is cpu is beow 90% fin mem is 90 used no vm is used fine |
| 10:22.03 | daltio | av load os 0.5 % fine |
| 10:22.17 | daltio | if its goes to 70% now its alarming |
| 10:22.19 | daltio | what u say |
| 10:22.28 | Bushmills | i'd say "depends" |
| 10:22.32 | daltio | yes |
| 10:22.42 | daltio | but we have to write some thing for books |
| 10:22.54 | daltio | which we say KPI's |
| 10:23.14 | daltio | which means usage up to that level is fine |
| 10:23.18 | daltio | what u sugges |
| 10:23.19 | Bushmills | nobody can give you those numbers except yourself - as they depend on what kind of use the machines are put for |
| 10:23.22 | daltio | suggest |
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| 10:23.38 | daltio | ok what things i should consider |
| 10:23.44 | daltio | can u help me in this regard |
| 10:23.47 | Bushmills | what they do |
| 10:24.15 | daltio | say 1 cpu usage, 2 mem usage 3 avg load 4??? |
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| 10:24.45 | Bushmills | system is used to continuously encode videos? 100% CPU use is fine |
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| 10:25.45 | jamesstanley | A while ago I found that running "gdmflexiserver" will cause a new gdm login screen to appear on the next virtual terminal. However, at some point, I changed gdm to auto-login my user when the machine boots. I have now found that executing "gdmflexiserver" does nothing at all. Does anyone know how to get a login screen for a different user when auto-login is enabled? |
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| 10:26.41 | daltio | ok what other parameters should i look for |
| 10:26.47 | daltio | other then CPU |
| 10:27.24 | Bushmills | i'd monitor fan RPM |
| 10:27.41 | Bushmills | CPU temperatures, disk temperatures |
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| 10:29.16 | daltio | ok wht u think CPU tem say if its 90 % then alarming for u |
| 10:29.27 | daltio | wht command is used to see CPU and disk temp |
| 10:29.51 | jamesstanley | My mistake, I've fixed it now. I had no entry for loopback in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:30.10 | thewanderer1 | daltio, sensors is for CPU and hddtemp /dev/sda is for HDD temp of sda |
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| 10:31.25 | daltio | in wht % you measure them |
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| 10:32.21 | Bushmills | mbmon, lmsensors, acpi ... |
| 10:32.22 | thewanderer1 | daltio, it's temperature, I think you measure temperature in degrees |
| 10:32.33 | daltio | oh sorry |
| 10:32.49 | daltio | ya wht level is satisfied for you and you stay cool |
| 10:34.24 | thewanderer1 | daltio, in general I try to stay below 60 degrees |
| 10:34.31 | lmaowaffle | hi folks, any idea if it's possible to install google's chrome browser in Squeeze? |
| 10:34.34 | daltio | hmm great |
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| 10:34.47 | lmaowaffle | or is chrome in linux hard to come by? |
| 10:35.04 | thewanderer1 | lmaowaffle, install chromium-browser, unless you like being spied on |
| 10:35.04 | daltio | ok what other things you look in system |
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| 10:35.11 | thewanderer1 | its in the repos |
| 10:35.18 | lmaowaffle | which repo? |
| 10:35.23 | thewanderer1 | main |
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| 10:35.36 | lmaowaffle | apt-cache search chromium-browser doesn't show anything |
| 10:35.49 | thewanderer1 | oh sorry, it's in sid... |
| 10:35.55 | thewanderer1 | but never crashed on me |
| 10:36.04 | lmaowaffle | sid, or chromium? |
| 10:36.16 | thewanderer1 | neither :P |
| 10:36.18 | moldovean | , versions chromium-browser |
| 10:36.21 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.99~r51029-4 |
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| 10:37.23 | lmaowaffle | oh |
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| 10:38.16 | lindi- | lmaowaffle: any chromium-browser testing is very much appreciated |
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| 10:39.03 | thewanderer1 | I do that all the time and it's my main browser now, only in English though |
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| 10:44.05 | lindi- | thewanderer1: 5.0.375.99~r51029-4? |
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| 10:45.08 | thewanderer1 | 5.0.375.99~r51029-3 |
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| 10:55.21 | cristi8 | hmm this bug is also present in lenny :| http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=242936 |
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| 10:57.42 | cristi8 | an updated README file would be great |
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| 10:58.59 | daltio | hey sorry i was DC |
| 10:59.01 | daltio | u there |
| 10:59.54 | thewanderer1 | besides fan and temp, look for voltages if you can |
| 10:59.59 | thewanderer1 | either here or in BIOS |
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| 11:00.53 | daltio | no no |
| 11:01.10 | daltio | CPU Bound |
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| 11:01.16 | daltio | Memory Bound |
| 11:01.21 | daltio | IO Bound |
| 11:01.27 | daltio | CPU Temperature |
| 11:01.35 | daltio | this is i am looking into |
| 11:01.40 | daltio | tel me sm thing else |
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| 11:01.59 | daltio | any good things that i should consider except all these |
| 11:02.00 | thewanderer1 | are you trying to resolve a performance problem or a stability problem? |
| 11:02.12 | thewanderer1 | looking for a bottleneck? |
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| 11:05.33 | zerohero | hmm |
| 11:05.34 | daltio | performance prb |
| 11:05.50 | zerohero | does anyone know why flash stopped working in testing recently? |
| 11:05.52 | thewanderer1 | then just do some benchmarks |
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| 11:06.01 | zerohero | i just noticed i can't display youtube vids anymore |
| 11:06.02 | thewanderer1 | zerohero, Adobe gave us the finger on amd64 |
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| 11:06.12 | zerohero | thewanderer1: ah, how rude |
| 11:06.45 | thewanderer1 | I wasn't counting on the permanence of amd64 flash, anyway |
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| 11:07.20 | zerohero | thewanderer1: anyway to automatically switch to html5 in iceweasel? |
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| 11:07.59 | thewanderer1 | visit youtube.com/html5... I think you need a patched version or so |
| 11:08.24 | thewanderer1 | or get some codecs... html5 version is saved in cookies anyway |
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| 11:10.04 | zerohero | oh well |
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| 11:10.33 | zerohero | epiphany some html5 extension |
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| 11:13.39 | david00 | Hi |
| 11:14.07 | thewanderer1 | zerohero, you need some nightly builds :P |
| 11:14.09 | david00 | We have an old etch machine, apt-get install gives 404 for most packages. Is it still possible to install packages on an etch machine? |
| 11:14.17 | thewanderer1 | david00, no |
| 11:14.25 | rudi_s | !tell david00 about etch |
| 11:14.30 | zerohero | thewanderer1: and i thought going testing was hazardous enough for me ;) |
| 11:14.33 | thewanderer1 | david00, read the channel topic, lol |
| 11:14.42 | david00 | ah, sorry |
| 11:14.47 | david00 | thanks thewanderer1 |
| 11:15.05 | rudi_s | !tell david00 about etch sources.list |
| 11:15.14 | Texou | 5avanyway Debian has archives for all its packages |
| 11:15.26 | rudi_s | david00: But you should really update to lenny. |
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| 11:15.50 | Texou | +1 |
| 11:16.07 | Texou | !tell Texou about etch |
| 11:16.17 | thewanderer1 | yes, david00, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 11:16.19 | david00 | Thanks rudi_s :) |
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| 11:16.30 | rudi_s | np |
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| 11:18.23 | thewanderer1 | maaaaaaaan, HTML5 works on Chromium in Unstable |
| 11:18.37 | Texou | :) |
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| 11:19.14 | thewanderer1 | no WebM, only h.264 |
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| 11:21.17 | zerohero | hmm |
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| 11:21.44 | zerohero | unstable is probably a bit to far for me :) |
| 11:22.03 | zerohero | i'll wait till it hits testing |
| 11:22.08 | lmaowaffle | same |
| 11:22.20 | zerohero | and use epiphany for youtube until it does |
| 11:22.52 | thewanderer1 | what's with epiphany? |
| 11:23.05 | zerohero | it has some html5 extension |
| 11:23.17 | zerohero | i clicked it and it displays youtube fine |
| 11:23.20 | thewanderer1 | woah |
| 11:23.26 | thewanderer1 | what about WebM? |
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| 11:23.33 | zerohero | not tried webm? |
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| 11:25.50 | lmaowaffle | for those of you running chromium on sid, can you list it's dependencies? I'm considering pinning the whole lot with higher preferences than the extremely low preferences for the unstable pin |
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| 11:26.35 | cristi8 | zerohero: your epiphany displays youtube videos with html5? |
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| 11:27.52 | babilen | Hi all - I am having a problem to get Xorg to switch between keyboard layout with ALT-SHIFT. I am on an up-to-date squeeze system and further information can be found on: http://paste.debian.net/80876/ |
| 11:28.17 | thewanderer1 | lmaowaffle, you can just install it with apt-get -t unstable and pin whole unstable lower than testing |
| 11:28.36 | zerohero | cristi8: at least it displays youtube videos |
| 11:28.39 | babilen | I can only switch with ALT-SHIFT if I manually set the keyboard layouts using setxkmap but it does not work if i set it solely in /etc/default/keyboard |
| 11:29.07 | moldovean | lmaowaffle, /msg judd depends chromium-browser --release sid |
| 11:29.17 | zerohero | cristi8: and it doesn't look like the flash interface |
| 11:29.21 | thewanderer1 | lmaowaffle, here: http://pastebin.com/u2ehyMdp |
| 11:29.38 | babilen | It seems as if Xorg is honouring the XKBLAYOUT options in there, but is not honouring the "grp:alt_shift_toggle" option ... any ideas? |
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| 11:30.04 | cristi8 | zerohero: in my lenny the video doesn't load. it just rotates that HTML5 progress in the middle |
| 11:30.21 | thewanderer1 | babilen, is it a problem for you to employ a desktop-environment-specific way to handle layouts? |
| 11:30.32 | zerohero | cristi8: ok, it displays fine here |
| 11:30.39 | zerohero | cristi8: and it is html5 indeed |
| 11:30.40 | thewanderer1 | babilen, or perhaps your DE is catching the keystrokes |
| 11:30.42 | babilen | thewanderer1: I am not using any desktop environment |
| 11:31.01 | babilen | thewanderer1: And it works fine whenever i execute setxkbmap manually |
| 11:31.03 | thewanderer1 | check with xev if it receives the keystroke |
| 11:31.11 | thewanderer1 | ctrl+shift |
| 11:31.17 | thewanderer1 | I mean alt+shift |
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| 11:32.23 | babilen | thewanderer1: It receives "50 ISO_Prev_Group" which seems to be correct (but this is after i've set it manually) can't test it without as I would have to log out .. (should have opened a screen session somewhere :) |
| 11:32.36 | zerohero | cristi8: i'm on squeeze amd64 tho |
| 11:32.44 | lmaowaffle | thewanderer1: thanks :) |
| 11:32.46 | babilen | hang on - i'll to that ... |
| 11:32.50 | cristi8 | zerohero: oh :) |
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| 11:33.30 | lmaowaffle | thewanderer1: i can't seem to visit that link for some reason |
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| 11:34.44 | thewanderer1 | pastebin was down for a moment |
| 11:34.52 | lmaowaffle | oh right |
| 11:35.05 | babilen | thewanderer1: It does not raise the correct "ISO ..." keycode (as expected because grp:alt_shift_toggle is not honoured although i set it in /etc/default/keyboard) |
| 11:35.57 | thewanderer1 | babilen, can you try asking in #xorg? perhaps they know more than me on this |
| 11:36.20 | babilen | sure - thought about that as well, but wanted to ask at home first :) |
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| 11:40.35 | aguitel | every time when start my laptop ,keyring ask for password to connect in wireless ,how disable keyring? |
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| 11:47.16 | gnoob | what package should I install to use kerberos to get server authenticated in a windows AD domain? If I remeber correct, aptitude install kerberos did it for me last time I tried. |
| 11:48.43 | nsadmin | and this time? |
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| 12:04.57 | zahid | hello |
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| 12:14.24 | flohack | Hi! Is someone here familiar with the debian way of configuring apache? I would like to know how separating virtual host configuration into several parts is supposed to work. |
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| 12:15.08 | OpenTokix | flohack: look in the default definition inside sites-avail and then adjust accordingly |
| 12:15.25 | OpenTokix | flohack: when you are happy, do a a2ensite site-name |
| 12:15.40 | OpenTokix | flohack: And you can do this as many times you like with namebased virtual hosts. |
| 12:16.02 | flohack | OpenTokix: But there is no way to have several snippets belonging to one virtual host (e.g. ssl for example) |
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| 12:16.19 | OpenTokix | flohack: sure, you can use include statements inside each |
| 12:16.42 | flohack | OpenTokix: Or can i have multiple files with the same <VirtualHost> tag? |
| 12:17.10 | OpenTokix | flohack: You can't use multiple namebased virtual hosts with ssl on the ssl/apache-version in debian lenny |
| 12:17.20 | OpenTokix | flohack: for ssl you need to use one ip per ssl-site |
| 12:17.53 | flohack | OpenTokix: Thats true, but there may still be multiple configuration stanzas for several applications running within the same virtualhost |
| 12:18.19 | OpenTokix | flohack: yes, just make location and aliases, or what do you mean? |
| 12:18.29 | flohack | Basically I would like to have one site-avail file per application and group applications within one or several virtual hosts |
| 12:18.29 | OpenTokix | flohack: I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish |
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| 12:19.01 | flohack | OpenTokix: I'd say that's quite a common usecase |
| 12:19.02 | OpenTokix | flohack: Just make your snippets and include them in whatever files you want? |
| 12:19.06 | hanibanaa | hi, I have set up squirrelmail with Coureir IMAP. and I have set UTF-8 as charset on squirrelmail. The non-english characters displayed correctly on squirrelmail but I can't search for non-english chars on "body" by squirrelmail. any clue? |
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| 12:20.07 | flohack | OpenTokix: But if I have to put an include statement within the virtualhost site-avail file, I have to modify it whenever a add a new app, and i cannot use a2ensite for the applications |
| 12:20.56 | smhar_ | jidgo is slow, I wish I could get a torrent for the latest squeeze install cd :-( |
| 12:21.01 | OpenTokix | flohack: Sounds like it - but I am not sure why it is a problem. Since I assume you need to do some configuration for each app anyway? |
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| 12:21.40 | nsadmin | smhar_: install lenny base and upgrade it to squeeze |
| 12:22.01 | nsadmin | (one of your many choices) |
| 12:22.02 | flohack | OpenTokix: The context is the use of a configuration manement system (puppet) I would like to add apps without having to manually maintain the virtual hosts site-available file. |
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| 12:22.44 | OpenTokix | flohack: you put your configs in /etc/apach2/conf.d |
| 12:22.52 | OpenTokix | flohack: /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 12:23.06 | OpenTokix | They will be included |
| 12:23.35 | flohack | OpenTokix: I tried it with a site-enabled file, but by redirect stanzas did not work, unless I used them within the virtual host. |
| 12:23.41 | OpenTokix | I sometimes make files immune just to fuck up puppet-systems, for kicks ;) |
| 12:23.48 | OpenTokix | flohack: ok |
| 12:24.10 | flohack | OpenTokix: I don't think conf.d files are treated differently, are they? |
| 12:24.14 | OpenTokix | flohack: How would you do it in a normal apache-system? |
| 12:24.29 | OpenTokix | flohack: They are just included as is |
| 12:24.48 | flohack | OpenTokix: Debian is meant to be an imrovement isn't it ;-) |
| 12:25.05 | OpenTokix | flohack: yeah, but you can always get ideas that break stuff =) |
| 12:25.35 | nsadmin | what's "normal"? |
| 12:25.36 | OpenTokix | flohack: if you install say nagios or something on a debian system, it will create and alias etc. for blha/nagios3 and that is included |
| 12:25.38 | flohack | OpenTokix: Of course, but I always found the site-available system quite useless, because of that. |
| 12:25.49 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: default maybe is a better phrase. |
| 12:25.58 | OpenTokix | flohack: I think it rocks |
| 12:26.24 | OpenTokix | But then again, my webservers are pretty simple - one application, crap loads of traffic-setups |
| 12:26.51 | flohack | OpenTokix: Maybe I'm just doing something wrong with my Rewrite rules... |
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| 12:28.52 | flohack | OpenTokix: One more reason not to modify, or replace the default site-avail file are system upgrades. I always have to make sure I manually apply maintainer changes to my modified default and default-ssl files. |
| 12:29.12 | OpenTokix | flohack: make new |
| 12:29.17 | OpenTokix | flohack: disable the defaults |
| 12:29.19 | OpenTokix | make new one like |
| 12:29.31 | OpenTokix | forum.myawesomedomain.com and make em perfect |
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| 12:29.46 | OpenTokix | flohack: and the package-stuff will not touch em |
| 12:29.58 | flohack | OpenTokix: That doesn't solve the problem, as I would have to manually check if there are new options in there. That's quite a hassle. It would be great being able to build on them. |
| 12:30.08 | OpenTokix | New options? |
| 12:30.22 | flohack | OpenTokix: new defaults... |
| 12:30.25 | OpenTokix | I think you are overthinking this |
| 12:31.03 | flohack | OpenTokix: I don't think so. The new BrowserMatch ".*MSIE.*" \ nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0 for example |
| 12:31.12 | flohack | OpenTokix: There are numerous problems without the options |
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| 12:31.35 | OpenTokix | It has been there for a while, but I see your point |
| 12:31.38 | flohack | So it would be great if my debian systems would use the options automatically after an upgrade |
| 12:32.03 | flohack | OpenTokix: :-) |
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| 12:32.54 | OpenTokix | flohack: let's put it this way. - I have one billion accesss/day and I don't have any problems so far with my way. |
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| 12:33.20 | flohack | OpenTokix: Ok, so consensus is: There is currently no way to do what I'm trying to accomplish. Maybe I can come up with a generic solution. |
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| 12:33.44 | OpenTokix | But if you are using puppet, pushing out changes should be a breeze? |
| 12:33.53 | flohack | OpenTokix: I'll get back to you in that case. Are you an apache package maintainer? |
| 12:34.02 | OpenTokix | flohack: heck no |
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| 12:34.22 | Raydiation | is there some guide on how to secure your server? |
| 12:34.31 | Raydiation | i know disabling root login and ssh key auth |
| 12:34.33 | flohack | OpenTokix: That's true, it makes the situation bearable gg |
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| 12:34.53 | flohack | OpenTokix: Ok, I'll just file a bug. |
| 12:35.05 | flohack | OpenTokix: Thanks a lot for your help! |
| 12:35.14 | OpenTokix | Bug #2422342 "It doesnt work as I think it should" |
| 12:35.21 | OpenTokix | flohack: no problme, have fun |
| 12:36.10 | flohack | OpenTokix: Nah, rater Bug #872345 "Nice solution, but I know you guys can do better" |
| 12:36.14 | flohack | rather |
| 12:36.18 | OpenTokix | hehe |
| 12:36.31 | OpenTokix | Now I am even happier Im no maintainer. |
| 12:37.03 | nsadmin | probably that bug reporter didn't provide an alternate solution |
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| 12:49.24 | eli_ | !quota |
| 12:49.24 | dpkg | well, quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
| 12:49.43 | rino | !sudo |
| 12:49.44 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 12:51.06 | Raydiation | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 12:51.11 | Raydiation | oh, wrong window |
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| 12:54.40 | OpenTokix | Raydiation: right windows, thanks for the link =) |
| 12:55.16 | Raydiation | OpenTokix: :) |
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| 13:06.01 | Gentoochild | hello people. Is there a way to get uvesafb working without manually patching a kernel and compiling it myself? |
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| 13:10.22 | JCode | hello all, i installed debian lenny from net install but i want to update my sources.list where can i find good american list, or reconfigure the sources.list |
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| 13:12.57 | BlackFate | JCode, http://http.us.debian.org/ |
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| 13:13.10 | BlackFate | JCode, change main server to this |
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| 13:14.10 | JCode | and uses stable/main etc |
| 13:14.22 | abrotman | JCode: debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 13:14.31 | abrotman | JCode: or /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ |
| 13:14.37 | abrotman | or man sources.list |
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| 13:15.39 | pfo | are there snmp agents from IBM (like HPs stuff) ? |
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| 13:16.24 | abrotman | wouldn't you want to ask IBM ? |
| 13:16.29 | pegaso | how do I install proprietary software as non-root? specifically skype |
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| 13:16.57 | abrotman | pegaso: you can try to install it in your own directory, but that may or may not work depending on the software it is |
| 13:17.15 | abrotman | or ask your admin to do it! |
| 13:17.44 | pegaso | but how? kpackage asks the root pw, I don't know a way, maybe apt-install? |
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| 13:18.23 | pegaso | moreover there should be the way for the installer to tell the program that the libraries are where they are at |
| 13:19.09 | pfo | abrotman: maybe there people here who run system X and blade system on debian? |
| 13:19.34 | abrotman | i have xSeries systems, but i'd still ask IBM .. your call |
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| 13:20.47 | JCode | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free ?<< is that right way abrotman |
| 13:21.17 | abrotman | yes, though i'd personally pick another mirror .. and you probably want 'lenny', not 'stable' |
| 13:21.36 | JCode | yeah true i will install mirror |
| 13:21.59 | abrotman | using 'lenny' is probably a much better idea than 'stable' .. and you also should have a security updates line also |
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| 13:23.12 | JCode | i got that just making sure of the host |
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| 13:30.47 | Flashtek | this might be a stupid question but... if I were to include in /etc/network/interfaces in the wlan* section both wpa-ssid AND wireless-essid what would the config think ? (I want to cover all my bases) |
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| 13:38.15 | JCode | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny), abrotman any idea ? |
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| 13:40.54 | JCode | forgot the / :S |
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| 13:42.18 | JCode | ~pastebin |
| 13:42.18 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 13:42.19 | abrotman | JCode: install the debian-keyring package |
| 13:42.21 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:42.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
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| 13:56.21 | dokma | Hey all... I just solved a horrible keyboard mess. Figured out it was caused by a stray x11-xkb-utils from unstable. |
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| 13:56.38 | dokma | Now I'd like to check if I've got any other packages from unstable installed. How is that done? |
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| 13:58.51 | dokma | Anyone? |
| 13:58.58 | babilen | dokma: You could for example use http://paste.debian.net/80891/ and grep for "sid" |
| 14:00.26 | dokma | babilen works great! |
| 14:00.27 | mo_o | hey guys! i have set up a dhcp & tftp server and want to install debian on the clients now. i dont have physical access to the machines so everything has to work on it's own. is there an image i can download that is basically just doing a minimum install with ssh etc? |
| 14:01.26 | babilen | mo_o: No personal experience, but |
| 14:01.32 | babilen | !tell mo_o about preseed |
| 14:01.55 | mo_o | kk thx |
| 14:03.26 | babilen | You might also be interested in FAI (fully automatic install) |
| 14:03.29 | babilen | !tell mo_o -about fai |
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| 14:06.42 | tolland | hi, how to tell if selinux is enabled in the bootup options? |
| 14:07.09 | jhutchins | dokma: Mixing packages from different releases, especially if you include sid, is a great way to set yourself up for a clean install. |
| 14:07.17 | Flashtek | tolland: cat /selinux/enforce |
| 14:07.58 | dokma | jhutchins: I've already went the clean install way... now I'm just trying to 'CLEAN UP' |
| 14:08.09 | dokma | it took me all day to fix the keyboard today |
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| 14:08.40 | tolland | Flashtek: that tells me if its enabled, and i know that i just disabled it |
| 14:08.51 | jhutchins | Flashtek: You want to be able to manage multiple wireless configurations? |
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| 14:26.08 | freeman2411 | hi guys, how I can findout the Last-Parametes via SNMP? |
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| 14:45.27 | Agiofws | whats the file in etc that names your host ? |
| 14:45.40 | petemc | !hostname |
| 14:45.40 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 14:46.19 | Agiofws | petemc, no |
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| 14:46.29 | Agiofws | its like a dns file |
| 14:46.37 | M0E-lnx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.08 | _hexguy | but you should man resolv.conf for more details on how to edit it |
| 14:47.11 | Agiofws | he one that corresponds an ip to a host name |
| 14:47.17 | Agiofws | the one that corresponds an ip to a host name |
| 14:47.31 | Vroomfondle | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.38 | ksk | have fun with "network-manager" if u want to edit resolv.conf :P |
| 14:47.46 | M0E-lnx | lol |
| 14:47.50 | Agiofws | ksk, you can use vim |
| 14:47.51 | Agiofws | :) |
| 14:48.00 | Agiofws | the one that corresponds an ip to a host name what that file ... |
| 14:48.03 | Agiofws | called |
| 14:48.04 | M0E-lnx | you could just set the DNS servers in networkmanager if you need to |
| 14:48.05 | ksk | ye, but networ-manager overwrites ur settings after reboot |
| 14:48.06 | Vroomfondle | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.18 | Agiofws | cool |
| 14:48.32 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/etc$cd h |
| 14:48.33 | Agiofws | hal/ hibernate/ hp/ htdig/ |
| 14:48.39 | Agiofws | no such folder |
| 14:48.40 | Vroomfondle | cd ? |
| 14:48.42 | Vroomfondle | it's a file |
| 14:48.43 | Vroomfondle | not a folder |
| 14:48.56 | Agiofws | :) |
| 14:48.57 | Agiofws | swell |
| 14:49.03 | M0E-lnx | cat /etc/hosts |
| 14:49.13 | _hexguy | sudo nano /etc/hosts should do the trick to edit it |
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| 14:51.25 | rino | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.49 | liable | thats fucking horrible |
| 14:51.50 | rino | ksk: look up |
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| 14:52.24 | jelly | !fixresolvconf |
| 14:52.24 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 14:52.34 | jelly | !fixresolvconf the ugly way |
| 14:52.34 | dpkg | If you can't be bothered configuring either <resolvconf> or your DHCP client to properly handle your DNS settings, then you can do this: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). But realise that this is a truly ugly hack. |
| 14:52.43 | rino | looks better :) |
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| 14:52.53 | jelly | liable: dpkg agrees |
| 14:53.25 | rino | just use google dns :) and forget to edit dhcp files |
| 14:53.26 | liable | jelly: i threw a wobbly in here a while back because people kept suggesting that :) |
| 14:53.47 | OpenTokix | Mr Sensitive =) |
| 14:53.55 | liable | :P |
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| 14:54.44 | Arrowmaster | thats a very ugly way |
| 14:55.17 | rino | a quick ugly way |
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| 14:55.54 | OpenTokix | a very quick ugly way that also will throw liable in a wobbly. So try to avoid it, citizens. |
| 14:57.08 | liable | well, seriously, chattr on a config.. |
| 14:57.54 | OpenTokix | I see my /etc as my personal kingdom and resolv.conf as a amassador from network-manager republic of communism. I don't like it, but it is immune. |
| 14:58.00 | _hexguy | what is chattr for? |
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| 14:58.15 | petemc | changing attributes |
| 14:58.19 | Bushmills | ext2/ext3 attributes |
| 14:58.30 | OpenTokix | _hexguy: change attriube, you can set all kinds of funky attributes on files, one including +i (immune) |
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| 14:58.38 | petemc | immutable |
| 14:58.41 | _hexguy | omg haha |
| 14:58.46 | _hexguy | how handy |
| 14:58.49 | OpenTokix | petemc: oh, yes - sorry |
| 14:59.01 | OpenTokix | _hexguy: immutable |
| 14:59.05 | afief | Is there a way to know if apt/dpkg are locked without running them? |
| 14:59.23 | rino | is usefull to solve it quickly but not permament |
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| 15:00.41 | jelly | afief: fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock (as root) |
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| 15:11.41 | _hexguy | guys I have a question. I'm running squeeze on a toshiba satellite well known of having issues with acpi ( for examples fans not working =S ), where should I submit a bug report? linux kernel directly? |
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| 15:13.04 | jpinx-eeepc | _hexguy: not sure what the specific issue is - I ran lenny on a toshiba tecra for years without such problems |
| 15:13.38 | jpinx-eeepc | lenny, preceded by etch and sarge -- even |
| 15:13.39 | abrotman | _hexguy: ISTR there being some specific toshiba acpi tools ? |
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| 15:18.34 | _hexguy | Im sorry i was afk, jpinx, the problems are for example fans not working nor suspend nor fn+keys, abrotman, i looked up that one but i need the toshiba module in the kernel but i cant loaded because it says no such device |
| 15:18.57 | _hexguy | i can't load it* |
| 15:19.23 | _hexguy | apparently this laptop is not recognized |
| 15:20.00 | abrotman | _hexguy: how old/new is it ? |
| 15:20.26 | _hexguy | bought it a month ago |
| 15:20.34 | _hexguy | its a toshiba satellite l505 |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 15:20.42 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:20.49 | abrotman | _hexguy: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
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| 15:21.01 | _hexguy | with an insydeh20 BIOS |
| 15:21.21 | djura-san | hi nerds |
| 15:21.37 | wonderwal | LOL |
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| 15:21.42 | wonderwal | 8) |
| 15:21.54 | _hexguy | 2.6.33.3-eu, its a custom kernel compiled by me, everything by default |
| 15:22.06 | abrotman | okay .. now try a debian kernel, then ask us again |
| 15:22.19 | _hexguy | same happens |
| 15:22.26 | mo_o | i'm trying to set up pxe boot with preseeding. right now the clients are booting the installer but i can't figure out where to put the answers file |
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| 15:23.04 | _hexguy | but yeah, i should switch to the debian kernel instead just to make it formal |
| 15:23.08 | _hexguy | ill be right back |
| 15:23.12 | lweight | hello |
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| 15:23.56 | lweight | I've just moved from Ubuntu -> Debian Lenny and am having trouble finding "xlock" and "flvstreamer" in the repos. |
| 15:24.01 | abrotman | _hexbleh |
| 15:24.08 | abrotman | !tell lweight about apt-file |
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| 15:25.26 | lweight | thanks |
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| 15:25.44 | abrotman | lweight: though i vaguely recall that xlock/xlockmore was removed for some bug and there is the xscreensaver with some lock option |
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| 15:28.02 | babilen | mo_o: IRC the preseed file has to be included in the initrd ... and there was some way to provide a link to the preseed file by DHCP |
| 15:28.29 | babilen | Hmm, but someone else might have experience with that ... |
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| 15:28.59 | lweight | abrotman: right... Any idea a bout flvstreamer? |
| 15:29.16 | mo_o | according to the appendix B in the installation manual one can set it as a boot parameter. i just dont know where... |
| 15:29.19 | abrotman | don't even know what it is |
| 15:29.27 | babilen | mo_o: Ah, take a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en "B.2.1 Loading the ..." |
| 15:29.33 | babilen | mo_o: You've already found that |
| 15:29.42 | mo_o | yeah ;) |
| 15:29.52 | babilen | ,versions flvstreamer |
| 15:29.54 | judd | flvstreamer -- sid: 2.1c1-1; squeeze: 2.1c1-1 |
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| 15:30.32 | babilen | lweight: It is not available in Lenny - You might be able to backport it yourself -> "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 15:31.24 | lweight | babilen: msg dpkg?! |
| 15:31.42 | lweight | not sure I follow. |
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| 15:33.05 | rudi_s | !tell lweight about ssb |
| 15:33.16 | rudi_s | lweight: You can talk to the dpkg bot with /msg dpkg .. |
| 15:33.42 | babilen | lweight: It is an IRC command. Just enter: "/msg dpkg ssb" (without the "") in your client and you will message "dpkg" our friendly bot |
| 15:33.46 | mo_o | babilen: changing the initrd kinda sucks though. and according to the manual one just has to pass a parameter somehow. i have a preseed.cfg etc so i just need to know how to pass the path |
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| 15:34.02 | _hexguy | im back, uname -r shows 2.6.32-5-686, i booted with acpid service disabled and fans would not stop at all even at cold temperature, i rebooted with acpid enabled and fans dont work at all hehe, this baby is getting warm |
| 15:34.11 | babilen | mo_o: Hang on, i'll check in our netboot infrastructure ... |
| 15:34.19 | mo_o | cool thx |
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| 15:34.58 | poppiez | hi, I want to install php5-memcache 3.0.4-4 in debian lenny. it's not stable and it's not in backports. what to do then? |
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| 15:36.09 | smhar | because I am have only 53mn left now :-) |
| 15:36.14 | _hexguy | I found a workaround by editing grub and adding acpi_osi="Linux" as a boot parameter and fan starts at 56 and shuts down at 49C, but still fnkeys dont work and after suspension fans dont work sometimes |
| 15:36.57 | smhar | oops wrong # |
| 15:37.23 | rino | !irssi |
| 15:37.23 | dpkg | irssi is, like, the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:38.53 | mms_ | hi network-manager should start on boot and I should see message in dmesg ? I dont see any message like one printed to terminal on doing network-manager restart. |
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| 15:41.25 | babilen | mo_o: Ok, you have configured your TFTP and DHCP server as explained in the install manual? |
| 15:41.29 | mo_o | yeah |
| 15:41.35 | lweight | "E: Build-Depends dependency for flvstreamer cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 15:41.59 | lweight | (following instructions from dpkg bot) |
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| 15:42.22 | babilen | mo_o: Ah - need another second :-\ sorry |
| 15:42.31 | mo_o | sure np :) |
| 15:43.05 | lweight | ah |
| 15:43.10 | lweight | installing debhelper... |
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| 15:43.19 | poppiez | hi, I want to install php5-memcache 3.0.4-4 in debian lenny. it's not stable and it's not in backports. what to do then? |
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| 15:43.24 | mms_ | how to find out if network-manager daemon is running ? |
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| 15:45.16 | mo_o | ps -A | grep network |
| 15:45.20 | babilen | mo_o: Do you have a file "txt.cfg" in the "boot-screens" directory ? |
| 15:45.37 | mo_o | yeah |
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| 15:46.13 | lweight | nope. debhelper installed and still get that error when I build-dep flvstreamer. |
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| 15:46.59 | raubvogel | I wrote the startup script http://pastebin.com/46uBkiH6 to unlock (and later on mount) a partition. It worked fine if ran manually. I added the init info per http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts, copied it to /etc/init.d, and told it to create the aliases to the different /etc/rcN.d. When I reboot, it treats any character I type as a complete attempt at a passphrase (passphrase + enter). What am I missing here? |
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| 15:47.07 | babilen | mo_o: If you edit that file you can define the boot options in the "append" line ... I guess you can just add "preseed/url=http://host/path/to/preseed.cfg |
| 15:47.10 | babilen | there |
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| 15:47.37 | mo_o | babilen: before or after the --? |
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| 15:48.45 | babilen | mo_o: I would try it after "quiet" but I am not sure ... Hei, I'm just making educated guesses here :) |
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| 15:49.48 | babilen | mo_o: This unfortantely entails that you have to host the preseed.cfg on a webserver somewhere ... You might also want to pass the md5 sum |
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| 15:50.09 | mo_o | yeah... working on that |
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| 15:54.11 | poppiez | I want to install php5-memcache-3.0.4-1 but it's unstable and it's not in backports. how do I install the package? |
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| 15:54.54 | eshat | I need some help with playing webm files on debian sid |
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| 15:56.15 | eshat | I have VLC 1.0-4 (from unstable/main) installed and ffmpeg 0.6-2 (from experimental) which has webm support. I can render webm files iwht kdenlive, but vlc, can not play them, saying, that it does not support VP8 |
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| 15:57.35 | jordanm | eshat: the easy solution would be to just install proprietary google-chrome |
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| 15:58.20 | webguy024 | i was trying to setup an email server last week before the dns was finalized. Now it is finalized and I don't know which system is running. Email is working but I don't know which program to review. How do I find out which email server is running on my system? Debian Lenny, I installed iRedMail, exim4 and postfix. |
| 15:58.39 | eshat | jordanm: I think, VLC is not build agains ffmpeg 0.6 from experimental, could that be the reason |
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| 15:59.43 | dondelelcaro | webguy024: we don't distribute iRedMail, and exim4 and postfix conflict with eachother, so you could only have installed one. |
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| 16:00.55 | webguy024 | yeah I am pretty sure I uninstalled the previous before I installed the later. But I don't remember what order. I see exim4 is installed but it doesn't have a conf file. Does Debian sendmail work right out of the box? |
| 16:01.03 | macrobat | does mplayer read /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ? I'm trying to set nolirc=yes and mplayer doesn't care |
| 16:01.15 | mo_o | babilen: somehow that doesnt work :( |
| 16:01.33 | mo_o | i have it on a webserver now but the installer still asks me stuff... |
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| 16:02.09 | _zer0 | I would like to compile a module, what packages related to the kernel do i need? |
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| 16:03.02 | dondelelcaro | webguy024: exim4, postfix, and sendmail can all be configured to work, and will work out of the box if you answer their configuration questions correctly. |
| 16:03.10 | dondelelcaro | webguy024: if you don't already know which you want, install postfix. |
| 16:03.12 | fxiny | macrobat: read /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf first -> ...and per user from... |
| 16:03.58 | eshat | jordanm: I tried opening that file with google chrome, but it says: missing plugin |
| 16:04.07 | jordanm | _zer0: linux-headers-$(uname -r); also module-assistant if you are compiling the debian way |
| 16:04.32 | jordanm | eshat: I am not sure what you have going on, but webm "just works" for me in google-chrome |
| 16:04.36 | _zer0 | jordanm: only the headers? don't need the source? |
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| 16:04.42 | jordanm | _zer0: no |
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| 16:04.58 | dondelelcaro | webguy024: however, without knowing more, I can't tell you if iRedMail has stomped all over everything; looking at their documentation, it almost certainly has |
| 16:05.17 | eshat | jordanm: ahh you mean the youtube videos,.... I am trying to play a self created video |
| 16:05.18 | macrobat | ~/.mplayer/config is almost empty. mplayer ignores that i set nocache=yes |
| 16:05.19 | apt | macrobat: okay |
| 16:05.21 | _zer0 | jordanm: does this mean anything? /home/zero/Desktop/omnibook-20060126/ac.c:18:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:05.29 | _zer0 | jordanm: after make |
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| 16:06.24 | webguy024 | thx dondelelcaro, I suppose exim4 is running now. Maybe I am focusing on the wrong part, maybe there is a better solution. I setup a cloud server with debian lenny, running one website. I need the website to send emails and setup forwarding accounts on the server for the domain. Am I approaching this correctly. |
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| 16:06.49 | webguy024 | It is sending emails correctly now, I am trying to figure out the forwarding part. |
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| 16:06.59 | jordanm | _zer0: looks like it means you are missing a file |
| 16:07.40 | jordanm | webguy024: be sure to test your server http://www.abuse.net/relay.html |
| 16:08.01 | webguy024 | thx for that jordanm |
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| 16:08.53 | jordanm | forwarding is typically just an alias |
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| 16:09.16 | eshat | I do not understand why debian isn't updateing ffmpeg,.... I think it would be really important to have webm support in next stable release |
| 16:09.33 | poppiez | I want to install php5-memcache-3.0.4-1 but it's unstable and it's not in backports. how do I install the package? |
| 16:09.41 | macrobat | eshat: marillat repo updates it :) |
| 16:09.58 | eshat | marillat ? |
| 16:10.01 | webguy024 | not sure what that means yet jordanm - I am just starting the process of learning mail servers. I was nieve in thinking I wouldn't have to. |
| 16:10.33 | macrobat | !tell eshat about dmm |
| 16:10.42 | jordanm | webguy024: email servers require the most knowledge and have the most complex configurations |
| 16:10.47 | eshat | macrobat: no thanks,... just made bad experince with DMM |
| 16:11.05 | webguy024 | yeah which is why it would be nice if I didn't have to do it :) |
| 16:11.08 | jordanm | !tell poppiez about ssb |
| 16:11.09 | macrobat | eshat: could you give me an url to try? |
| 16:11.21 | jordanm | webguy024: you can hire someone |
| 16:11.37 | jordanm | I am sure there are always sysadmins out there looking for work |
| 16:11.45 | mms_ | how to find out if network-manager daemon is running ? |
| 16:11.46 | eshat | macrobat: URL ? for what ? |
| 16:12.07 | jordanm | mms_: invoke-rc.d network-manager status |
| 16:12.16 | jordanm | mms_: or use `ps` |
| 16:12.31 | macrobat | eshat: so you play webm files locally? |
| 16:12.32 | fxiny | pgrep -f |
| 16:12.39 | eshat | macrobat: yes, I want to |
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| 16:13.17 | webguy024 | I actually posted it on rentacoder - got a couple replies but they were out of my budget. I will just continue to learn exim4, I've used it before but this is my first time installing it. |
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| 16:13.56 | jordanm | webguy024: coders are traditionally poor sysadmins |
| 16:13.58 | jordanm | hides |
| 16:14.33 | webguy024 | is there another venue for attracting bids from sysadmins? |
| 16:14.47 | mms_ | jordanm: it seems invoke-rc.d it doing some actions and status is not one of them. |
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| 16:15.11 | jordanm | mms_: is status what you told it to do? |
| 16:15.22 | jordanm | webguy024: I would start here personally: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 16:15.27 | mms_ | jordanm: its trying to execute network-manager and status is not available option. |
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| 16:15.36 | mms_ | jordanm: yes |
| 16:15.38 | jordanm | mms_: then use ps |
| 16:16.01 | Faissal | i heard debian was developped by negroes |
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| 16:16.21 | snowrichard | http://pastebin.com/cN23F92Z |
| 16:16.22 | mms_ | jordanm: its not starting....not sure who to debug |
| 16:16.36 | jordanm | mms_: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 16:16.36 | snowrichard | compiler error on an alpha server ES40 running debian |
| 16:16.40 | mms_ | jordanm: ps also I tried... |
| 16:17.25 | moldovean | mms_, install network-manager maybe |
| 16:17.32 | fxiny | heheh |
| 16:17.39 | mms_ | jordanm: it seems its trying to do wireless connection..... |
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| 16:17.59 | mms_ | jordanm: why its not doing ethernet I dont understand... |
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| 16:18.24 | Faissal | do i need to be gay to install debian ? |
| 16:18.35 | Faissal | because i am |
| 16:18.37 | Faissal | you see |
| 16:18.46 | mms_ | jordanm: it says there are no wreless networks stored... |
| 16:19.12 | jordanm | mms_: I can help if its not starting, but since I don't use network-manager, I will be no further help |
| 16:19.32 | moldovean | !ops Faissal troll |
| 16:19.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: moldovean complains about: Faissal troll |
| 16:19.39 | jordanm | Faissal: do you need help with someone that is not troll related? |
| 16:20.08 | Faissal | i need to be kicked from this channel asap |
| 16:20.15 | Faissal | thats what i need |
| 16:20.20 | fxiny | shutdown sequence initiated |
| 16:20.27 | poppiez | jordanm: ssb?? |
| 16:20.34 | jordanm | poppiez: check your PM from dpkg |
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| 16:20.45 | sigmonsays | Man. Please ban that fool |
| 16:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least he knew it... |
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| 16:20.59 | poppiez | jordanm: ah, lol. sorry. IRSSI does a poor not of notifying you |
| 16:21.26 | jordanm | poppiez: the text is purple in my irssi theme on that |
| 16:21.58 | sigmonsays | If I want to use apt-mirror on debian to mirror a ubuntu repo, How do I make that work? I added the repo to mirror.list but no files come in |
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| 16:22.01 | poppiez | jordanm: yeah my theme needs some tweaking ;) have to go. will look into the PM when I get back. thanks so much! |
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| 16:23.33 | moldovean | sigmonsays, mixing both is bad |
| 16:23.51 | sigmonsays | Why? |
| 16:23.55 | moldovean | .. very bad |
| 16:23.59 | sigmonsays | It's just a mirror... |
| 16:24.56 | jordanm | what is being mixed? releases? |
| 16:25.14 | moldovean | debian + ubuntu |
| 16:25.14 | sigmonsays | no mixing occurs afaics. It creates seperate directories based on the hostname of the repo |
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| 16:25.57 | jordanm | sigmonsays: uhh, no. there is no seperation |
| 16:26.35 | jordanm | sigmonsays: the files in a .deb are not placed dynamically at all, only files generated on --configure |
| 16:26.44 | sigmonsays | What are you talking about? |
| 16:26.53 | sigmonsays | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.53 | sigmonsays | apt.opscode.com ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:27.00 | sigmonsays | takes away the crackpipe |
| 16:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | why are you trying to do this?! |
| 16:27.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-mirror |
| 16:27.14 | dpkg | apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror of any <APT> source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free". Discussion forum: http://sf.net/projects/apt-mirror/forums/forum/197335 . http://apt-mirror.sf.net/ See also <debian mirrors>. |
| 16:27.32 | jordanm | sigmonsays: oh, I thought you were mixing packages on a system. I see you just want repos for two OS's now |
| 16:27.35 | sigmonsays | i'll rtfm |
| 16:27.40 | sigmonsays | this is helpless |
| 16:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you can use the multiple-architecture thing mentioned in the factoid... |
| 16:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigmonsays, ^^^ |
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| 16:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, no you can't it actually parses that |
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| 16:30.57 | sigmonsays | someone ask a question about wibbly wobbles or something. I don't need any more help |
| 16:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions icecast2 --architecture alpha |
| 16:31.00 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 16:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions icecast2 --arch alpha |
| 16:31.10 | judd | icecast2 -- etch: 2.3.1-5; etch-backports: 2.3.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.3.2-2; lenny-backports: 2.3.2-5~bpo50+1; sid: 2.3.2-5 |
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| 16:32.57 | mynd | we are using ethtool to force a link to a certain speed/duplex...how can I tell if the link is actually running the set speed/duplex? |
| 16:33.18 | mynd | doing a "ethtool eth0" just shows the settings |
| 16:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't ifconfig show it? |
| 16:33.50 | mms_ | I have on board ethernet and unplug cable causes no eth0 and no lan |
| 16:34.14 | mms_ | I have network-manager installed and was hoping that it will solve issue...but not... |
| 16:34.23 | mynd | CutMeOwnThroat: just "ifconfig" or is there a flag? |
| 16:34.38 | mynd | ifconfig shows up/down status but not speed/duplex |
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| 16:35.01 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/bx18erFY This /etc/network/interfaces should work fine right? Don't want some problem were I can't log in. D: |
| 16:35.42 | mms_ | on boot if I dont have lan cable plugged in the eth0 is not available and then I just cannot get lan. inspite of having network-manager and plug in the cable and then starting mgr it will not connect. |
| 16:35.43 | soczol | mynd: 'mii-tool' works for me; not sure if that is the same as ethtool tho |
| 16:36.01 | soczol | mynd: it shows something like 'eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok' |
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| 16:36.38 | mynd | soczol: ethtool will show the negotiated speed/duplex, but if it is not set to auto-neg, it just shows the settings |
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| 16:36.52 | tharkun | mms_: chech that you have the allow-hotplug eth0 stanza on your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:37.04 | mms_ | tharkun: I dont... |
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| 16:37.14 | tharkun | mms_: then add it |
| 16:37.36 | mms_ | tharkun: for network-manager i guess I should not have it...let me try though what you said....also note that i have on board ethernet... |
| 16:37.50 | tharkun | mms_: as most of laptop users |
| 16:37.54 | soczol | mynd: not sure then, I can't afford to test on production servers ;) |
| 16:38.39 | mms_ | tharkun: still it did not work... |
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| 16:38.57 | tharkun | mms_: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 16:39.16 | DS0 | hello cruel world! |
| 16:39.19 | mms_ | I added just one line......allow-hotplug eth0.......I did restart |
| 16:39.45 | tharkun | mms_: post your complete file |
| 16:39.54 | DS0 | I tryed to download debian twice.. |
| 16:39.54 | tharkun | !tell mms_ about paste |
| 16:40.40 | DS0 | and it was an ISO that show me debian page.. |
| 16:40.42 | mms_ | there are just 3 lines... |
| 16:40.42 | DS0 | :) |
| 16:40.45 | DS0 | *:( |
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| 16:41.13 | mms_ | tharkun: two for lo and one that I just added about allow-hotplug |
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| 16:42.38 | moldovean | mms_, add > iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:43.03 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/bx18erFY This /etc/network/interfaces should work fine right? Don't want some problem were I can't log in. D: |
| 16:43.10 | moldovean | mms_, and add your cable .. |
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| 16:46.58 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 16:47.59 | innociv | Anyone? |
| 16:48.03 | icebrain | !anyone |
| 16:48.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:48.09 | mms_ | moldovean: I already did that... |
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| 16:48.50 | mms_ | I am going to reboot now... |
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| 16:50.34 | DS0 | what a cruel world.. |
| 16:50.39 | innociv | dpkg, was that to me? I just asked the question |
| 16:50.39 | dpkg | innociv: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:50.43 | innociv | and only 1 person joined since |
| 16:50.58 | innociv | dpkg, I did. But i'm afraid of it messing up. I removed the extra gateways |
| 16:50.58 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, innociv |
| 16:51.09 | jordanm | innociv: dpkg is a bot |
| 16:51.15 | innociv | ? |
| 16:51.17 | jordanm | !dpkgbot |
| 16:51.17 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 16:51.19 | innociv | icebrain i mean |
| 16:51.53 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Y320RATp Unparsable request how?.. |
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| 16:53.12 | mms_ | I edited menu.lst and did not grub-install but still grub showed updated menu.lot |
| 16:53.17 | mms_ | I did not know that |
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| 16:54.16 | mms_ | as I said I rebooted and have not eth0 in my interfaces and network-manager has configured it.... |
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| 16:54.42 | thewanderer1 | pegaso, deb will not work, get it compiled statically in a .tar |
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| 16:54.47 | thewanderer1 | crap |
| 16:54.52 | thewanderer1 | I had a 8-hour lag |
| 16:54.57 | aleray | Hi, I set up my debian install to forbid user homes to be accessed by other users. But I'd like apache to be able to rwx sites places within home folders, for eg. at /home/myuser/www/ ? So far the onlly solution I found was to ´usermod -a -G myuser www-data` Is it safe ? |
| 16:55.29 | aleray | s/places/placed/ |
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| 16:56.04 | thewanderer1 | aleray, what's your next step? how do you set files and chmod? |
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| 16:57.21 | jordanm | aleray: you simply can't have private user directories with mod_userdir |
| 16:57.29 | _zer0 | when trying to compile a kernel module i get this message: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 16:57.39 | jordanm | aleray: adding your user to the www-data group is not going to give apache access to a 700 /home/user |
| 16:58.17 | thewanderer1 | aleray, if you want Apache to have write rights to your users' directories by putting them all in www-data group and setting 0770, then other users can also write one another's directories |
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| 16:58.29 | aleray | I'm not using mod_userdir, but I guess it doesn't change the story |
| 16:58.42 | thewanderer1 | what are you using? PHP? |
| 16:58.51 | jordanm | aleray: you probably should be if that is what you are trying to accomplish |
| 16:58.55 | aleray | thewanderer1, various: cgi, php, python |
| 16:59.15 | thewanderer1 | aleray, you need to run scripts as the respective users if you want the setup to be secure |
| 16:59.46 | jordanm | aleray: you could chown :www-data /home/user and create a symlink from /var/www/foo to the user's home directory |
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| 17:00.28 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, he's asking about permissions, not mod_userdir or so |
| 17:00.44 | jordanm | thewanderer1: yes, I understand |
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| 17:01.06 | aleray | the idea is to set up my server to let the users changes their websites themselves |
| 17:01.15 | thewanderer1 | aleray, you can also use ACL to grant Apache write rights to your files, but then the situation is not much better |
| 17:01.20 | aleray | that's why it doesn't go under /var/www |
| 17:01.34 | thewanderer1 | aleray, you need user privilege separation |
| 17:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | aleray, the common way to do this is to have user directories +x and /home/user/public_hatml +rx |
| 17:01.43 | jordanm | aleray: it can go under /var/www, and symlink from there |
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| 17:02.08 | thewanderer1 | aleray, shared execution UID = shared access to files, so you need to get a way to separate user processes into their own UID's |
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| 17:02.39 | aleray | wait, it goes to fast for me :-) |
| 17:03.00 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, CutMeOwnThroat, guy needs write access in Apache, so let's talk user privilege separation / sandboxing, ok? |
| 17:03.02 | jordanm | thewanderer1: for the apache user, yes. but it will not give one user access to another's files |
| 17:03.12 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, it will |
| 17:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | the other common way is to have something like /var/www/user |
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| 17:03.23 | babilen | mo_o: Sorry - Just had tea. Made any progress? |
| 17:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww |
| 17:03.36 | tharkun | Is there a way to manage a lot of machines configuration files on a central and automated way? For the moment i am using some home bred scripts wich i adecuate as time goes by. I am looking for something which is "not so adhoc" |
| 17:03.38 | jordanm | thewanderer1: if he added the user to the www-data group, yes, but giving www-data access to one's files does not give that perosn access to www-data |
| 17:03.59 | jordanm | ,info puppet |
| 17:04.02 | judd | puppet (admin, optional): centralised configuration management for networks. Version: 0.24.5-3; Size: 451.1k; Installed: 2772k; Homepage: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet |
| 17:04.12 | tharkun | jordanm: thx |
| 17:04.18 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, but if apache runs as www-data and user Hacker1 puts a malicious PHP script on the site then executes it as www-data, what do you get? |
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| 17:04.26 | mo_o | babilen: yeah it's booting and loading the preseed.cfg now. the issue was that you have to set up the netcfg stuff with parameters too b/c he's getting the preseed.cfg after that |
| 17:04.51 | mo_o | doing another run right now locally (vbox) and hope this time it runs through without questions ;) |
| 17:04.53 | jordanm | thewanderer1: all your websites compromised, but it does not give user A access to user B's files without compromising an exploit |
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| 17:05.03 | jordanm | thewanderer1: you are reaching beyond the goal |
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| 17:05.32 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, no, look... |
| 17:05.34 | babilen | mo_o: Yay! Congratulations ... My problem is that we use netbooting here all the time, but don't conduct preseeded installations and I have never attempted the combination |
| 17:05.38 | Guest22739 | Where can I apt-get spidermonkey? |
| 17:05.54 | babilen | Guest22739: What is spidermonkey? |
| 17:06.06 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, Apache runs as www-data, so if users allow www-data write access to their files and everyone's scripts run as www-data, everyone can write each other's sites |
| 17:06.06 | Guest22739 | mozilla-js, the JAVASCRIPT ENGINE |
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| 17:06.20 | mo_o | append vga=normal initrd=debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz preseed/url=http://path/to/pressed.cfg debian-installer/locale=en_US console-keymaps-at/keymap=us netcfg/get_hostname=unassigned netcfg/get_domain=unas signed - |
| 17:06.20 | Guest22739 | Where do I get it |
| 17:06.25 | mo_o | that works |
| 17:06.28 | babilen | ,versions spidermonkey-bin |
| 17:06.29 | judd | spidermonkey-bin -- etch: 1.8.0.15~pre080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.8.0.15~pre080614i-0etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1.8.1.14-3.1; squeeze-multimedia: 1.8.1.14-3.1; lenny: 1.9.0.19-1; lenny-security: 1.9.0.19-2; lenny-backports: 1.9.1.10-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.9.1.10-1; squeeze: 1.9.1.10-1; experimental: 1.9.2.4-2 |
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| 17:06.40 | babilen | !tell Guest22739 about search |
| 17:06.45 | mo_o | found the hint with the network conf on some blog |
| 17:07.08 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I can see that. so you would what? chroot each website with a reverse proxy? |
| 17:07.29 | babilen | mo_o: Well, I wouldn't have thought of that. Glad you've found that blog :) |
| 17:07.35 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, no (although that's what I personally do), you need to separate user privileges |
| 17:07.45 | thewanderer1 | so make Apache change its UID before executing a script |
| 17:07.45 | mo_o | guess i should write sthg about it on mine too ^^ |
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| 17:07.51 | babilen | mo_o: yeah |
| 17:07.52 | thewanderer1 | scripts get executed as users |
| 17:07.55 | tharkun | jordanm: cfengine2 ?? It seems it does the same thing as puppet, Any preferences? |
| 17:08.16 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, if you learn cfengine, you get thousands of job offers from the very start |
| 17:08.36 | tharkun | thewanderer1: lol |
| 17:08.48 | Guest22739 | Whatever |
| 17:08.57 | babilen | tharkun: IRC puppet was written because the author was pissed of with cfengine :) |
| 17:09.02 | aleray | so I re-explain my goals: I'd like my server to be configured to grant its users to modify themselves their respective websites. My idea was then to put document roots under a directory named "www" (or whatever) in the user home directories. But since my debian is configured to forbid home folder access to other users than their owner, it doesn't work as expected. So now I'm option to any option as long as it keeps things simple. I could turn off the home d |
| 17:09.02 | aleray | irectory restriction as weel as long as I can give the users a bit of privacy (like a ~/private directory) |
| 17:09.32 | tharkun | babilen: lol, guess i'll try puppet first |
| 17:09.34 | thewanderer1 | aleray, look at my howto regarding PHP |
| 17:09.40 | thewanderer1 | aleray, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=50780 |
| 17:09.41 | aleray | s/option to any option/open to any option/ |
| 17:09.48 | thewanderer1 | it explains the steps involved |
| 17:09.50 | jordanm | thewanderer1: if only that were true! I could get a real job :) |
| 17:09.56 | aleray | thewanderer1, ok I look |
| 17:09.58 | aleray | brb |
| 17:10.17 | jordanm | thewanderer1: so you would seperate user privs using php-suexec? |
| 17:10.32 | thewanderer1 | yes, or in case of different scripting languages, suexec |
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| 17:10.47 | thewanderer1 | that's what 90% of professional webhosts do |
| 17:10.53 | mmestnik | Hello, I have this problem... again. Is there a way to get find to shell escape it's output? I know it can use '\n' or '\0' for record seperator and that '\0' is not valid(AFAIK) in a path... However this is not good enough I need simple shell escape that handles '"' being in path names. |
| 17:11.02 | thewanderer1 | other 10% use Litespeed webserver, bad proprietary stuff |
| 17:11.17 | jordanm | thewanderer1: well, thank you for pointing on the gaping security flaw in my system |
| 17:11.19 | jelly-home | aleray: reconfigure you debian to add executable permission for anyone to each user's home directory |
| 17:11.40 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, you would have known that at some point in time... :P |
| 17:11.48 | jelly-home | aleray: consider the fact apache or whatever |
| 17:12.02 | mmestnik | Does this have to be made with sed/awk/wahtever? |
| 17:12.11 | aleray | jelly-home, what is command to do that ? dpkg-rconfigure something? |
| 17:12.11 | valdyn | mmestnik: whats hard about \" ? |
| 17:12.26 | jordanm | mmestnik: you can use '\' as an escape character |
| 17:12.27 | jelly-home | aleray: web server you use runs under a separate user. Make sure the web site data is readable by that user |
| 17:12.31 | jordanm | as valdyn just pointed out |
| 17:12.35 | mmestnik | valdyn: Exactly, thouhg this is 'find' we are talking about. |
| 17:12.43 | mmestnik | I can type ;) |
| 17:13.00 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, aleray, you only need +x access on home directory and all directories being parents of public_html |
| 17:13.00 | jelly-home | aleray: chmod to do it for existing users. /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 17:13.18 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: right, that's what I said. |
| 17:13.25 | jordanm | mmestnik: you mean: find /foo -name 'foo' -exec cp '{}' foo/ \; is not properly handling the file names with wierd characters? |
| 17:13.29 | valdyn | mmestnik: $ find . -name '\"' |
| 17:13.31 | jordanm | or similar |
| 17:13.38 | valdyn | mmestnik: ./" |
| 17:13.46 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, ok, but it must be clear that it's only +x and not +r |
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| 17:13.55 | mmestnik | hmm... Here is my example: |
| 17:13.58 | jordanm | oh, valdyn's interpretation looks better |
| 17:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | aleray, why don't you give them a directory in /var/www/$USER and soft-link from their home-dir... than at least that restriction is out of the game |
| 17:14.18 | jelly-home | aleray: next investigate options on how to do that automatically for new users (read adduser documentation) |
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| 17:14.21 | mms_ | I am unable to get /etc/fstab to accept line : //192.168.1.5/download /mnt/samba cifs username="My Name",password="" 0 0 |
| 17:14.21 | mmestnik | find $* -name .svn -prune -o -print |
| 17:14.30 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: that was my orginal suggestion, scroll up :) |
| 17:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 17:14.36 | mmestnik | err, sorry. |
| 17:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | why didn't he want it? |
| 17:14.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems obvious |
| 17:14.47 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's what "executable permissions" says? |
| 17:14.55 | mmestnik | I'll paste bin this and we can get really crasy and you can all go say ask the make ppl. |
| 17:14.57 | valdyn | mmestnik: $* is expanded by the shell already |
| 17:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, and I was wondering why you guys keep going down a path that increases problems |
| 17:15.02 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: users can run scripts that will modify other user's websites, as the www-data user |
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| 17:15.39 | mms_ | it works from command line though |
| 17:15.45 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, yes, ok |
| 17:15.48 | jelly-home | jordanm: welcome to the wonderful world of shared web hosting |
| 17:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, err... but that's always true if you use a shared www-data user... doesn't have anything to do if it's done in the home-dir or not |
| 17:16.15 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: right |
| 17:16.16 | mms_ | mount -t cifs //192.168.1.5/download -o usernname="My Name",password="" /mnt/samba |
| 17:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I still don't see why he wants it in $HOME |
| 17:16.30 | mmestnik | http://pastie.org/1050696 |
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| 17:16.57 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, aleray, there is an alternative - you can run every site as a separate user with config files, but it uses a module that it is not very well known... my school uses it because the admin likes to patch things |
| 17:17.04 | valdyn | good thing if password= doesnt work in fstab |
| 17:17.11 | valdyn | working as intended? |
| 17:17.24 | jordanm | mmestnik: well, I expected bash/sh, not make... you have 31 lines there, what are you having problems with |
| 17:17.26 | mmestnik | The problem is pathnames with '\ ', though this is windows users making folders and stuff so there will be all sorts of junk in the paths. |
| 17:17.28 | jordanm | valdyn: it does work |
| 17:17.36 | jelly-home | valdyn: which fs type? |
| 17:17.40 | thewanderer1 | otherwise, you can write your own WWW server - I did... it's no more functional, PHP has changed too much and I didn't have time to fix |
| 17:17.49 | valdyn | jelly-home: cifs, but i dont know if it works or not.. |
| 17:18.17 | mo_o | well, so now that that netinst is running on it's own, how do i set up that the box is NOT booting from pxe the next time? |
| 17:18.34 | thewanderer1 | mo_o, BIOS |
| 17:18.39 | mo_o | can't |
| 17:18.46 | mmestnik | Line 15, but every accurance of find should have it's output sanitised. |
| 17:18.47 | mo_o | no physical access to the machines |
| 17:18.53 | mo_o | (3500mi away...) |
| 17:19.06 | babilen | mo_o: Well - Are you setting up a cluster? |
| 17:19.09 | mo_o | yeah |
| 17:19.38 | thewanderer1 | you can remove the boot option from DHCP server for the moment of booting |
| 17:19.39 | jordanm | mmestnik: I am not an expert with make, what is it doing with the output? |
| 17:19.45 | jelly-home | valdyn: mount.cifs(8) says, among other things: "This is preferred over having passwords in plaintext in a shared file, such as /etc/fstab.". This implies it works. |
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| 17:20.10 | mmestnik | Yes, I know that shell escape and make escape does make a differance... Though I can sed 's/\$/$$/g' easily enough... assuming that does not endless loop. |
| 17:20.11 | mo_o | mm |
| 17:20.37 | mmestnik | :/topic #debian |
| 17:20.56 | thewanderer1 | mo_o, you should be able to set your DHCP server to send specific options to specific clients |
| 17:21.03 | mmestnik | jordanm: It's just expeting a space seporated list of files. |
| 17:21.09 | mo_o | thewanderer1: yeah sure |
| 17:21.19 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: suexec and similar solutions (suPHP) are acceptable and oft used if user write permission need separation |
| 17:21.22 | mo_o | is it enough to skip the "filename" option? |
| 17:21.26 | mmestnik | The issue is that find's output is not escaped. |
| 17:21.32 | jordanm | mmestnik: why is this even using make instead of a shell script? it doesn't appear to do any building? |
| 17:21.45 | Derevko | jordanm: chromium-browser in sid has VP8/WebM support |
| 17:22.04 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, that's what aleray wanted - users should work as if everyone had their own server with write permissions from the WWW scripts |
| 17:22.07 | jordanm | Derevko: good to know, thanks |
| 17:22.07 | babilen | mo_o: You might want to look into specialised tools for that ... Checkout FAI, SISuite, http://debianclusters.org/index.php/Main_Page and others ... |
| 17:22.16 | mmestnik | jordanm: It carfully only packs zip files that have had chagnes done. |
| 17:22.35 | mmestnik | ...It is a build, it just dosen't use gcc. |
| 17:22.38 | jordanm | mmestnik: ah, reineventing tar --incremental :) |
| 17:22.41 | thewanderer1 | Derevko, care to send a link to a WebM video for me to test? |
| 17:22.55 | jelly-home | aleray: in case you missed this part of the conversation, investigate suPHP and suexec |
| 17:23.15 | jordanm | thewanderer1: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 17:23.16 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, he's already reading my howto at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=50780 |
| 17:23.25 | mmestnik | Sure, but it also calls Makefiles but only when things have changed. |
| 17:23.31 | Derevko | jordanm: and google-chrome 5 (stable) hasn't it |
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| 17:24.27 | mmestnik | I'm sure there is another way to do this... However is there another way to call find? |
| 17:24.33 | mo_o | babilen: yeah that'd be an option but i dont really feel like that'd be a little overhead right now. i just need to get it running (it's a dev cluster) and dont want to spend 2-3 days to get into one of those tools |
| 17:24.42 | jordanm | Derevko: ah, I do use google-chrome-unstable, but it has been working for what seems like 6mos or more. I figured it would have made it into the stable version by now |
| 17:24.59 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: eh, howtos usually don't say what to do when things go wrong, so it's a good thing you're here to help ;-) |
| 17:25.04 | mo_o | the machines are already able to install automatically right now so just commenting the filename line in the dhcp.conf seems a bit easier ;) |
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| 17:25.37 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: and yeah, peruser would be nice if it were reliable |
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| 17:25.58 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, that's what those forums are for, but if you read what I wrote there... I did test that on a dedicated server - I could reproduce the setup following my own tutorial, I always to that with howtos :P |
| 17:25.58 | babilen | mo_o: I would really take a look at FAI! They even have their own channel (#fai) and this tool is AFAIK often used to setup clusters. Other tools comprise http://svn.oscar.openclustergroup.org/trac/oscar .. |
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| 17:26.11 | Derevko | thewanderer1: http://www.apple.com/html5/showcase/video/ |
| 17:26.11 | mmestnik | This would work if I could sanitise the output of find... either by renaming files or using a filter on it's output or telling it to prune. |
| 17:26.16 | Dbeic | hi, anyonne now what package i need to resolv this error? make[1]: *** [y.tab.o] Error 1 |
| 17:26.18 | Dbeic | ??? |
| 17:26.30 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, we're running it on a production server and it mostly works |
| 17:26.31 | babilen | mo_o: Depends on the number of machines you have there ... Doing this with 500+ hosts will drive you nuts |
| 17:26.42 | mo_o | hehe yeah that's right but it's just 5 for now |
| 17:26.47 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, either that, or the admin is a ninja |
| 17:27.12 | mo_o | and i just need to try some stuff on it. if we ever use them for more, i'll totally digg into that |
| 17:27.15 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: how many users/vhosts and req/s? |
| 17:27.18 | mmestnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.30 | mmestnik | This might be my best option. |
| 17:27.46 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, about 400 vhosts and about req/s - that's a ridiculously low number |
| 17:27.53 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 17:28.03 | Dbeic | hi, anyonne now what package i need to resolv this error? make[1]: *** [y.tab.o] Error 1 ?? =( |
| 17:28.07 | jelly-home | but vhosts are comparable to what we put on shared web hosting machines |
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| 17:28.28 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, they are the same, if you ask me |
| 17:28.37 | jelly-home | I mean the numbers. |
| 17:28.45 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 17:29.13 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: how do you know my numbers?!? |
| 17:29.31 | thewanderer1 | gotcha :P |
| 17:30.16 | thewanderer1 | I used a random value that's close to both 100 and 999 visually |
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| 17:30.42 | thewanderer1 | but still resembles the numbers we have there to some extent :P |
| 17:31.12 | Derevko | thewanderer1: anyway html5test.com , or bettere beta.html5test.com shows you what your browser supports |
| 17:31.58 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 17:32.13 | Dbeic | hi, anyonne now what package i need to resolv this error? make[1]: *** [y.tab.o] Error 1 ?? =( |
| 17:33.23 | babilen | Dbeic: Could you provide a little more context on (e.g.) http://paste.debian.net and/or by explaining what you are trying to do? |
| 17:33.38 | mmestnik | shell quoting for find? I just can't find anything about it. |
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| 17:34.28 | mmestnik | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/301039/how-to-escape-white-space-in-bash-loop-list |
| 17:35.28 | Dbeic | babilen i'm trying to install IRCu ircd... here's the output error log: http://paste.debian.net/80915/ |
| 17:36.17 | fxiny | mmestnik: whitespace ? find . -depth -print0 ? |
| 17:36.32 | jelly-home | mmestnik: what's wrong with \n or \0 separated data? What are you really trying to do? |
| 17:37.33 | mmestnik | fxiny, jelly-home: I want the output of find to be more usable, it's not just one task it's a recurring problem. |
| 17:37.46 | jelly-home | mmestnik: more usable for what? |
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| 17:38.18 | jordanm | Dbeic: why not use the debian package? |
| 17:38.33 | mmestnik | Essentually -print0 can be used with something like `sed -e 's/^/"/' -e 's/\0/" "/g' -e 's/$/ |
| 17:38.37 | jelly-home | mmestnik: I mean, where does placing contents of one line in a shell variable and dealing with the contents of that variable pose issues. |
| 17:38.37 | mmestnik | "' |
| 17:39.00 | mmestnik | However then what about '"' contained in a file name. I'd need another regex for that. |
| 17:39.07 | babilen | Dbeic: You know that you could just "aptitude install ircd-ircu"? |
| 17:39.21 | Dbeic | yes, but the package is old |
| 17:39.29 | mmestnik | This is just not practicle, IMHO. |
| 17:39.38 | babilen | ,versions ircd-ircu |
| 17:39.39 | judd | ircd-ircu -- etch: 2.10.11.04.dfsg1-0.2; lenny: 2.10.12.10.dfsg1-1; sid: 2.10.12.10.dfsg1-1; squeeze: 2.10.12.10.dfsg1-1 |
| 17:39.41 | jordanm | Dbeic: does that mean it doesn't function anymore? lack features you must have? |
| 17:39.43 | Dbeic | ircd-ircu_2.10.12.10, actually is ircu2.10.12.13 |
| 17:39.47 | jordanm | Dbeic: what is it missing that you need? |
| 17:39.56 | mmestnik | I'd like a simple solution that cleans up the output of find. |
| 17:40.12 | mmestnik | or a new find that has quoted output. |
| 17:40.52 | babilen | Dbeic: you call that old? but to solve that: (i) either install ircd-ircu build-dependencies (apt-get build-dep) or (better and ii) "/msg dpkg uupdate" |
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| 17:41.05 | jelly-home | mmestnik: or you could use a decent language instead of gnu make that calls /bin/sh |
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| 17:41.08 | Dbeic | jordanm don't know.. i just get an error when i make ... make[1]: *** [y.tab.o] Error 1 |
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| 17:41.29 | jordanm | Dbeic: you have a solution in search of a problem. and your solution has problems of its own |
| 17:41.31 | babilen | Dbeic: And I couldn't find a reference to .13 on their website -- why do you think that there is such a release? |
| 17:41.34 | jordanm | Dbeic: use the debian provided software |
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| 17:42.15 | mmestnik | jelly-home: files can contain a new line char, but more so perhaps the output is to be fed to another programs stdin that treats all whitespace as a record seporater. |
| 17:42.16 | babilen | Dbeic: And *why* on earth do you need the X.X.X.13 release? |
| 17:42.17 | Dbeic | babilen http://coder-com.undernet.org/ |
| 17:42.31 | Dbeic | new features |
| 17:42.35 | Dbeic | and bugs fixeds |
| 17:42.39 | jordanm | Dbeic: what new features? |
| 17:42.49 | fxiny | mmestnik: newline char ? same print0 |
| 17:42.57 | mmestnik | while read fil; echo "\"$fil\""; done; # <-- has the same problem as the above sed. |
| 17:43.07 | Dbeic | jordanm the .conf file has changed completly |
| 17:43.17 | Dbeic | new user/channel modes |
| 17:43.18 | jordanm | Dbeic: thats a feature?? |
| 17:43.20 | Dbeic | etc..etc.. |
| 17:43.27 | jelly-home | mmestnik: which apps do that other than /bin/sh? |
| 17:43.31 | jordanm | I think they call that a regression :) |
| 17:43.37 | Dbeic | :X~ |
| 17:43.46 | mmestnik | jelly-home: In this instance make. |
| 17:43.56 | mmestnik | http://pastie.org/1050696 |
| 17:44.00 | jelly-home | mmestnik: that's because make _calls_ /bin/sh |
| 17:44.01 | fxiny | mmestnik: what's after find ? |
| 17:44.03 | Dbeic | jordanm the solution isn't installing old version ^^ |
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| 17:44.11 | jordanm | Dbeic: sure it is |
| 17:44.18 | Dbeic | lol |
| 17:44.35 | jordanm | Dbeic: how much testing has .13 got under debian systems? |
| 17:44.36 | mmestnik | jelly-home: Correct, but the output of sh is what make is looking at. |
| 17:44.37 | babilen | Dbeic: I told you the solution - don't they work? |
| 17:44.41 | jelly-home | mmestnik: rewrite that makefile as eg. perl, python or whatever... problem solved |
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| 17:45.17 | mmestnik | jelly-home: That's not a solution, it just avoids the problem "for this example". What about every other time this came up for me? |
| 17:45.23 | Dbeic | btyaccpa.ske:193: error: âyyparsestateâ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:45.24 | Dbeic | btyaccpa.ske:193: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 17:45.24 | Dbeic | btyaccpa.ske:193: error: for each function it appears in.) |
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| 17:45.33 | Dbeic | what are all these errors? |
| 17:45.49 | jordanm | usually lack of build-depends |
| 17:45.59 | abrotman | Dbeic: why won't you install the debian package? |
| 17:46.08 | jordanm | abrotman: scroll up... its not shiny enough |
| 17:46.11 | Dbeic | abrotman i have it |
| 17:46.17 | Dbeic | but i need the last release |
| 17:46.30 | abrotman | so ask them why their stuff doesn't work |
| 17:46.46 | babilen | Dbeic: I told you two approaches to fix your problem (even if you don't listen to us and install the Debian package) -- don't they work? |
| 17:46.49 | jelly-home | mmestnik: afaict, your issues stem from usage of /bin/sh directly or not |
| 17:47.12 | jelly-home | mmestnik: messing with IFS may or may not help |
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| 17:47.43 | Dbeic | babilen nop. they don't work :( |
| 17:47.46 | _entr0py | I am on 'testing' and when I run 'aptitude update' I am getting GPG error about 'mirror.noreply.org'. I tried to import the keys & running 'aptitude update' to no avail, also Google didn't help either. What could be the problem? |
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| 17:48.04 | abrotman | _entr0py: that's for tor .. right? |
| 17:48.07 | jordanm | _entr0py: is that an official debian mirror? |
| 17:48.13 | _entr0py | abrotman: Yes |
| 17:48.17 | _entr0py | jordanm: Yes, it is |
| 17:48.22 | abrotman | _entr0py: what is the full error ? |
| 17:48.29 | _entr0py | Let me pastebin it |
| 17:48.30 | mmestnik | jelly-home: That would be the common case, correct. In this special case though shell is not the problem, looking for that option in make. |
| 17:48.54 | mmnicolas | does anyone knows a notetaking application that has the power to syncronise with a blog of whatever type ? |
| 17:49.29 | fxiny | emacs |
| 17:49.34 | fxiny | muse ? |
| 17:49.41 | _entr0py | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1903819 |
| 17:50.08 | Dbeic | babilen now yesss.. works perfect :)) thanks |
| 17:50.34 | babilen | Dbeic: What happened between the "don't work" and the "now yes" ? and which method did you use? |
| 17:50.38 | jordanm | _entr0py: I am looking at the site now, and that is not what I meant by "official debian mirror". abrotman seems to know what you are doing though |
| 17:50.40 | mmnicolas | isnt muse an andio sequence ? |
| 17:50.57 | abrotman | _entr0py: aptitude update && apt-get update |
| 17:51.04 | _entr0py | mmnicolas: Check out 'Tomboy' if you like nice GUI to terminal |
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| 17:51.25 | jelly-home | mmestnik: try asking #bash, they might have suggestions or clues on how to approach, but be aware they may jump on the print0 bandwagon before having fully understood the example |
| 17:51.31 | jordanm | as long as you don't mind pulling in mono for a note-taking applications... |
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| 17:51.45 | jordanm | jelly-home: they won't support make |
| 17:51.48 | mmestnik | http://www.cmcrossroads.com/ask-mr-make/7859-gnu-make-meets-file-names-with-spaces-in-them <-- so even shell quoting dosen't look like it'd solve this problem. |
| 17:51.49 | fxiny | mmestnik: muse-el , apt-cache show |
| 17:51.53 | _entr0py | abrotman: I tried 'apt-key update' earlier as well, now trying what you suggested |
| 17:51.55 | abrotman | mmnicolas: something intersting is uhm .. crap .. let me find it |
| 17:51.55 | fxiny | oops |
| 17:52.13 | fxiny | mmnicolas: muse-el , apt-cache show |
| 17:52.54 | abrotman | mmnicolas: gobby/kobby might be something ? |
| 17:53.08 | mmestnik | I feel this is a general find interoperability question, I |
| 17:53.13 | _entr0py | abrotman: same error again |
| 17:53.15 | fxiny | awful name |
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| 17:53.30 | fxiny | abrotman: muse is sexier ;) |
| 17:53.31 | mmestnik | 'm sure a long time ago the find ppl killed this with -print0, but it never truelly fixed the problem. |
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| 17:54.04 | abrotman | _entr0py: apt-key list .. any expired ones? |
| 17:54.06 | jelly-home | I'm still thinking You're Doing It Wrong ;-) |
| 17:54.33 | mmestnik | It's time for a real solution to be devised. Perhaps a perl script that would massage the output. |
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| 17:56.00 | _entr0py | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1903824 |
| 17:56.01 | mmestnik | http://pastie.org/1050749 I fixed it for now. |
| 17:56.33 | mmestnik | Hmmm, a bug I see. |
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| 17:57.25 | abrotman | _entr0py: moment |
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| 17:59.46 | mmnicolas | abrotman: ill try it out, thanks all |
| 18:00.05 | fxiny | mmestnik: print0 | xargs -0 solved many problems |
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| 18:09.35 | hochron | I am trying to install python3.1.2 so I had to reconfigure x after I removed the old one. Now wwhen I run an apt-get update it sayW: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C. can someone help me?s |
| 18:10.01 | jordanm | hochron: your answer is on the "instructions" page of the backports website |
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| 18:10.21 | hochron | oh thanks jordanm |
| 18:11.03 | abrotman | _entr0py: can you paste the full error in a pastebin ? |
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| 18:11.31 | _entr0py | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1903819 |
| 18:11.39 | aleray | thewanderer1, jelly-home thanks I look at this |
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| 18:11.47 | aleray | sorry I was away |
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| 18:12.01 | abrotman | _entr0py: oh sorry .. totally forgot you'd shown that already |
| 18:12.19 | abrotman | _entr0py: though i meant the full output from # to # |
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| 18:12.39 | hochron | what is a GPG error? |
| 18:12.59 | thewanderer1 | hochron, an indication something's not right with GPG |
| 18:13.13 | abrotman | hochron: backports.org tells you how to fix that |
| 18:13.28 | _entr0py | abrotman: Even after trying 'aptitude update && apt-get update', the error persists. Also, http://pastebin.ca/1903824 is the output for 'apt-key list' |
| 18:13.30 | abrotman | in the 'Instructions' section |
| 18:13.50 | hochron | what does it stand for?? just making small talk] |
| 18:14.34 | abrotman | _entr0py: what if you remove the tor source ? |
| 18:14.35 | abrotman | hochron: GNU Privacy Guard, or ask google/wikipedia |
| 18:14.49 | _entr0py | abrotman: Let me comment it out |
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| 18:20.46 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 18:20.46 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 18:20.55 | abrotman | cringes |
| 18:21.30 | _entr0py | lol |
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| 18:21.35 | tharkun | huhh |
| 18:21.45 | tharkun | abrotman: did it hurt? |
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| 18:21.57 | _entr0py | abrotman: If I comment out Tor from sources.list, aptitude update seems to work just right |
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| 18:22.52 | abrotman | _entr0py: remove the key from your apt-key .. then try to readd it perhaps |
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| 18:23.11 | _entr0py | abrotman: Tried that already, doesn't seem to work |
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| 18:23.39 | abrotman | it's still showing? |
| 18:25.14 | _entr0py | Yes, if I let the tor repo stay in sources.list & just update GPG keys, the error persists |
| 18:25.29 | _entr0py | It went away just now when I commendted out the line |
| 18:25.50 | abrotman | i meant it's still showing in your apt-key list |
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| 18:26.38 | _entr0py | No |
| 18:27.20 | Hoxzer | yes |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | the paste you just showed shows another key from Petr, is that also for noreply.org ? |
| 18:27.55 | abrotman | Peter, sorry |
| 18:27.59 | hochron | my box says it needs python 3 as a dependency but I have python3.1.2 installed how do I fix this? |
| 18:28.04 | lxsameer | i need some headers for 32 bit debian, some packages like openal 32 bit headers , how can i get them from my debian 64 |
| 18:28.25 | babilen | hochron: When does you box say that? Could you paste that please? |
| 18:28.31 | mo_o | how can i see what dhcp leases exist? |
| 18:28.57 | hochron | apt-get or dpkg The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:28.58 | hochron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.58 | hochron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.32 | hochron | and python -V |
| 18:29.32 | hochron | Python 3.1.2 |
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| 18:29.46 | n0ah | hey guys, to get a list of files a package provides. |
| 18:30.03 | abrotman | hochron: aptitude update ... try again |
| 18:30.13 | abrotman | n0ah: apt-file list or dpkg -L |
| 18:30.14 | n0ah | yes, hello? n0ah here. :o) |
| 18:30.17 | n0ah | thanks |
| 18:30.42 | abrotman | stop being so impatient |
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| 18:32.21 | hochron | hmmm, it gives me that gpg error! the site said to install keyring but wouldn't because the dependencies weren't met |
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| 18:33.03 | psilo2 | For some reason my debian-sys-maint user can't connect to mysql anymore. |
| 18:33.23 | psilo2 | I want to re-grant access to it. Which databases and permissions is it supposed to have |
| 18:33.26 | psilo2 | ? |
| 18:34.27 | hochron | when i run 'aptitude install debian-backports-keyring' it says that dependancy msg |
| 18:35.16 | abrotman | hochron: use paste.debian.net |
| 18:35.27 | hochron | it asks me if I want to remove it do I? |
| 18:35.57 | abrotman | hochron: use paste.debian.net |
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| 18:39.23 | _entr0py | hochron: this should help - http://pastebin.org/405915 |
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| 18:39.54 | hochron | ok it is here http://paste.debian.net/80921/ I think if I add some arguments it will install python3-tk |
| 18:40.32 | abrotman | hochron: you've been mixing versions of debian, this is bad |
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| 18:40.49 | abrotman | hochron: just say 'y' there |
| 18:40.49 | hochron | what, no I havent |
| 18:41.03 | resixian | do i need to add clamav-daemon to every users group if I want to scan /home/* ? |
| 18:41.06 | abrotman | there is no python3 in bakcports or lenny |
| 18:41.11 | abrotman | judd: versions python3-tk |
| 18:41.13 | judd | python3-tk -- sid: 3.1.2-1; squeeze: 3.1.2-1 |
| 18:41.56 | hochron | crap |
| 18:42.09 | _entr0py | hochron: If you use synaptic, check under preferences to see if it's using your preferred version. Synaptic tends to 'forget' your previous choices, so you must always check & then update |
| 18:42.25 | abrotman | he shouldn't be mixing versions of debian, this is very bad |
| 18:42.55 | hochron | so how do I fix it!?! I didn't mean to mix versions of debian |
| 18:43.31 | _entr0py | Unfortunately it's not something you can 'fix', backup & clean install is better way for stable, troublefree system |
| 18:43.43 | Black_Phantom | Hello I want to report a simple typing mistake in dpkg |
| 18:43.46 | Black_Phantom | <dpkg> well, steam is at http://www.steampowered,com |
| 18:43.53 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: already fixed |
| 18:43.58 | Black_Phantom | :) |
| 18:44.06 | abrotman | though it probably shouldn't be in the bot at all |
| 18:44.10 | hochron | how did I do that? is it from compiling python or trying to use python3.1.2 |
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| 18:44.22 | abrotman | hochron: i told oyu how already |
| 18:44.22 | hochron | I dont want to do it again |
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| 18:46.40 | hochron | so will a clean install allow me to install python3.1.2? |
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| 18:47.29 | abrotman | lenny does NOT have python3 |
| 18:47.49 | hochron | oh |
| 18:47.55 | maligor | testing would have 3.1.2 |
| 18:47.58 | _entr0py | hochron: You should look into 'testing' |
| 18:48.06 | hochron | ok |
| 18:48.19 | _entr0py | hochron: And I shouldn't suggest this being #debian but google 'sidux' |
| 18:48.47 | maligor | hochron, also you should have a fair amount of skill in fixing issues if you decide to use testing |
| 18:49.01 | abrotman | no, NOT testing |
| 18:49.14 | abrotman | use 'squeeze' |
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| 18:49.41 | maligor | yeah, true, you don't want to suddenly upgrade to the next testing :P |
| 18:49.48 | maligor | once it gets released that is |
| 18:50.11 | abrotman | it doesn't? |
| 18:50.14 | hochron | what is sid and squeeze? |
| 18:50.34 | _entr0py | !tell hochron squeeze |
| 18:50.37 | maligor | sid is a distribution that gets packages that are being tested |
| 18:50.42 | mo_o | different releases of Debian |
| 18:50.50 | abrotman | holy jeez .. |
| 18:51.06 | maligor | hochron, don't even think about using sid |
| 18:51.11 | abrotman | so much bad information |
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| 18:51.15 | _entr0py | hochron: You need little Debian naming background, Wikipedia should help |
| 18:51.25 | abrotman | just stop |
| 18:51.35 | _entr0py | agrees with abrotman |
| 18:52.05 | abrotman | you're giving bad information also |
| 18:52.22 | _entr0py | sidux? |
| 18:52.45 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 18:52.52 | _entr0py | testing / squeeze are used alternatively, no? |
| 18:53.07 | abrotman | no, they are different things |
| 18:53.36 | abrotman | they currently are the same, but in the future they will not be.. They are NOT interchangeable |
| 18:53.42 | _entr0py | I'll read-up, thanks! :) |
| 18:53.50 | mo_o | mm not for real. the current testing state is called squeeze |
| 18:53.59 | mo_o | so for now that's right until squeeze becomes stable |
| 18:54.08 | _entr0py | abrotman: Of course, when they freeze Squeeze 'testing' will be different |
| 18:54.14 | abrotman | argh |
| 18:54.18 | abrotman | goes away |
| 18:54.28 | mo_o | it's even written like that on debian.org... |
| 18:54.30 | maligor | I think we just killed abrotman |
| 18:54.57 | abrotman | no wonder people do stuff like mixing versions of debian with the stuff people say in here |
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| 18:55.11 | mo_o | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 18:55.24 | maligor | abrotman, I'm afraid english fails to fullfill the requirements for defining debian |
| 18:55.26 | mo_o | The code name for the next major Debian release after lenny is "squeeze". |
| 18:55.26 | mo_o | This release started as a copy of lenny, and is currently in a state called "testing". |
| 18:55.46 | hochron | actually the info i got was from #programming |
| 18:55.54 | mo_o | http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
| 18:56.00 | mo_o | The code name for Debian's development distribution is "sid", aliased to "unstable". |
| 18:56.09 | mo_o | there you got the official version |
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| 18:56.48 | hochron | abrotman I think you need a valium |
| 18:57.24 | abrotman | i think people should read? |
| 18:57.42 | hochron | that would definately help |
| 18:57.43 | MeglaW | #offtopic guys |
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| 18:59.07 | hochron | so will someone help me do a net-install? (I dont have a cd) or is it pretty self-explanatory? |
| 18:59.37 | abrotman | hochron: what do you want python3-tk for? |
| 18:59.45 | abrotman | a PXE install? |
| 18:59.53 | MeglaW | pxe rules |
| 19:00.15 | hochron | I have to write a system for my boos, it will go on a windows box.... |
| 19:00.20 | hochron | boss |
| 19:00.30 | fxiny | boos sounds better |
| 19:01.20 | sander | Anyone know a package where its possible to install many other web applications with one click?.. Like joomla/wordpress/magento and stuff like that? |
| 19:01.22 | fxiny | mo_o: is called sid because it breaks your toys ;P |
| 19:01.33 | mo_o | lol :D |
| 19:01.44 | hochron | I want it to easily be installed on windows 7 when we get it, and for syntax reason I wanted python3 |
| 19:02.19 | sander | I'm looking for a way to automaticly deploy web frameworks in a hosting enviroment. |
| 19:02.29 | abrotman | tomcat? |
| 19:02.31 | abrotman | war files? |
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| 19:02.38 | fxiny | has no icons to click |
| 19:03.20 | sander | in an apache/mysql enviroment.. |
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| 19:04.27 | thewanderer1 | sander, not until pigs... well... I mean... until we get a common framework for installing and configuring Web applications in a standards-compliant manner |
| 19:04.39 | thewanderer1 | I might as well start working on one, I just have no motivation :P |
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| 19:04.57 | thewanderer1 | Debian auto-configures things you install from the official repos, including wordpress, though |
| 19:05.04 | abrotman | sander: why can't you use aptitude to install the packages? |
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| 19:05.35 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, he probably means a pointy-and-clicky web application manager |
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| 19:06.24 | malvarma | Is there something wrong with the amd64 bit netinst images? I can't get it to boot. |
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| 19:07.03 | sander | abrotman, thewanderer1: Well.. I have several thousands customers with mysql/apache who want one click installation of common frameworks. |
| 19:07.21 | thewanderer1 | sander, there are third-party solutions for that |
| 19:07.33 | thewanderer1 | like Fantastico |
| 19:08.15 | thewanderer1 | of course it's commercial, closed and you have to pay for it, but every hosting provider out there uses it |
| 19:08.16 | malvarma | I'm certain the boot order is correct, and that my cd drive is in order. I put the install cd in, and it skips the cd, loads my existing OS. |
| 19:08.40 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, how have you burned the CD? |
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| 19:09.02 | abrotman | and at what speed, not all burners work well at high speeds |
| 19:09.03 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 19:09.20 | sander | thewanderer1, is there any opensource solutions like this? |
| 19:09.22 | johnfg | anyone here using gpg and able to answer a question? |
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| 19:09.31 | malvarma | thewanderer1, the box has ubuntu as of now. I downloaded the image from the debian website and right clicked "write to disc" |
| 19:09.32 | johnfg | No one's in the gpg group, at least on freenode. |
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| 19:09.41 | thewanderer1 | sander, none that I know of... either use google or write your own. |
| 19:09.44 | abrotman | johnfg: it's #gnupg |
| 19:09.47 | malvarma | so I assume its whatever cd burner is integrated in nautilus. |
| 19:09.56 | thewanderer1 | or let's start an open web standard for framework installation / configuration |
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| 19:09.57 | malvarma | I also tried booting off a key with unetbootin |
| 19:09.59 | johnfg | abrotman, I'll give that a try first. |
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| 19:10.03 | abrotman | malvarma: if you look at the CD, does it show files, or just one file? |
| 19:10.04 | malvarma | did the same thing. Just skipped. |
| 19:10.26 | malvarma | lemme check |
| 19:10.31 | zmotok | hello everyone, anyone can tell me why isn't the musb_hdrc (usb gadgets) module available in debian kernels? |
| 19:10.36 | malvarma | i hope it didn't just copy the iso |
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| 19:11.25 | zmotok | i'm trying to connect to a tablet for usb networking and.. just found out 2.6.32 from testing/sid 2.6.34 from experimental, 2.6.26 from stable don't have the module, what gives? |
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| 19:11.58 | malvarma | hmm this is odd... it's taking long to read the cd |
| 19:12.01 | abrotman | zmotok: it's an older version ? |
| 19:12.33 | sander | thewanderer1, that whould be really cool.. I assume the installation routines needs to be written spesifically for each application? |
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| 19:12.54 | zmotok | abrotman: the module? I can't find it to enable it in "make menuconfig" |
| 19:13.04 | thewanderer1 | sander, yes, but instead you can just force the world to use a standard you invent, which shouldn't be too hard with open source guys |
| 19:13.12 | zmotok | abrotman: and it's not available by default in all those kernels i've mentioned |
| 19:13.14 | malvarma | abrotman, this is odd... it's not even reading the disk. |
| 19:13.18 | malvarma | Perhaps I've burned it wrong. |
| 19:13.27 | malvarma | I'll try again using brasero. |
| 19:13.38 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, suspect a bad write, decrease the speed man |
| 19:13.48 | malvarma | thewanderer1, thanks. I'll try that. |
| 19:14.08 | abrotman | zmotok: perhaps it's a third party patch ? |
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| 19:14.48 | zmotok | abrotman: no.. i can find it by searching in the kernel configuration.. but not by going through menus to where it should appear (device drivers, usb support, usb gadgets) |
| 19:14.52 | hochron | will the option of booting off a usb need to be in my BIOS? is there any other way around this? |
| 19:15.28 | thewanderer1 | hochron, the option is either in your BIOS or you can select the boot device at POST time |
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| 19:15.42 | thewanderer1 | either way, only BIOS can manage that |
| 19:15.54 | hochron | hmmm, I dont know if I can on here |
| 19:16.01 | hochron | I will check |
| 19:16.06 | hochron | bbs |
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| 19:17.27 | sander | thewanderer1, What programming language do you think whould suite this best? |
| 19:17.43 | sander | php ? |
| 19:17.43 | thewanderer1 | sander, everything is in PHP... go figure out :P |
| 19:17.44 | _entr0py | malvarma: Use second highest speed for burning |
| 19:18.01 | thewanderer1 | are you writing something like that for your site? |
| 19:18.16 | malvarma | _entr0py, I just discovered I may have another problem. My cd burner stopped showing up as a drive. |
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| 19:18.21 | malvarma | Something's odd. |
| 19:18.27 | abrotman | or broken |
| 19:18.31 | malvarma | Bingo |
| 19:18.44 | malvarma | However, I tried using unetbootin with a usb key to no avail. |
| 19:18.53 | sander | thewanderer1, I'm thinking about writing something like that for magento. |
| 19:18.59 | malvarma | It wouldn't even boot into unetbootin's little menu |
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| 19:19.15 | thewanderer1 | sander, are your users having problems with magento? |
| 19:19.27 | thewanderer1 | sander, if this is site-specific, consider a different approach |
| 19:19.54 | thewanderer1 | make yourself a template directory, prepare a script to just copy files over to the user dir and change the conf variables and you're fine |
| 19:20.28 | thewanderer1 | if you already have an admin panel, integrate that with it |
| 19:20.47 | xstation | I am about to install debian lenny and as i understand during install (partman) now contains the loop-aes modules but I was wondering if there was a howto please? |
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| 19:21.41 | hochron | so abrotman, how did you know that i mixed debians? |
| 19:21.45 | sander | Well.. in the company I work full time in, we need a broad range of applications.. But a firm I'm about to start up with a few buddies needs only magento. At the moment a friend of me have lots of customers who needs as much as possible fixed with magento. |
| 19:21.55 | abrotman | hochron: i've been told i'm a smart cookie :) |
| 19:22.22 | hochron | abrotman: you are! lol |
| 19:22.56 | sander | thewanderer1, in my full time company we have a team which works on integrating solutions like this with our current admin panel. |
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| 19:23.06 | hochron | so you dont wish to impart the knowledge? |
| 19:23.14 | hochron | err |
| 19:23.22 | thewanderer1 | sander, have you considered the possibilities of only using one magento/your-script-of-choice install and loading proper variables into it only? like per-user config + global script dir |
| 19:23.41 | thewanderer1 | that way, you save the poor users the hassle of updating the script and managing security |
| 19:23.50 | thewanderer1 | at the cost of a crapload of patches |
| 19:24.17 | thewanderer1 | it's more like a managed service, but sounds reasonable if you provide magento hosting |
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| 19:25.18 | xstation | any suggestions on the loop-aes questions |
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| 19:25.18 | sander | thewanderer1, I have no experience with magento, but we have alots of customers who wants it.. Is it possible with a shared magento install ? |
| 19:25.43 | thewanderer1 | sander, if you figure out a way to make it shared, then yes |
| 19:25.55 | thewanderer1 | especially if you want to allow them to override files |
| 19:26.07 | Optic | hello, #debian! I'm trying to follow the directions on this page for squeeze, but my modprobe is failing with Module r8192u_usb not found. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 19:26.31 | thewanderer1 | sander, then you have to devise a Linux-like solution like "global /etc/profile that gets overrided by ~/.profile" - I hope you get the point |
| 19:27.21 | xstation | liable: how are things down-under? |
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| 19:31.50 | sander | thewanderer1, Explain.? |
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| 19:32.09 | sander | thewanderer1, have you seen this soliution for home servers?: http://www.amahi.org/apps?category=sbs |
| 19:32.15 | sander | solution* |
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| 19:33.11 | sander | thewanderer1, they even have magento: http://www.amahi.org/apps/magento |
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| 19:33.22 | Optic | the above web page seems to suggest I should be 2.6.32-16 |
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| 19:33.32 | thewanderer1 | sander, I haven't seen it but this whole "amahi" seems suspicious to me |
| 19:33.33 | Optic | uname -a shows 2.6.32-trunk |
| 19:33.53 | orfix | Hi, according to this link http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Cables I need the ti_usb_3410_5052 driver to get my DKU-5 cable to work, so i tried this http://pastebin.org/406019 with no success. I need your help :) thanks ! |
| 19:34.14 | sander | thewanderer1, and the reason is?.. It dosn't support ubuntu/debian :-/ |
| 19:34.29 | BrainBug[BE] | hello question, I have a no-ip/dyndns account, now, this morning i go to my usual url and found out that it wasn't the correct wanIP that was mapped... (the one of yesterday...), so i couldn't connect, and i can't just go to the device and update it, so now i updated it, all is fine, but for further reference, is there a possibilty to "upload my external ip to some logfile daily to eg ftp? for just in case? |
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| 19:35.15 | thewanderer1 | sander, it looks like a semi-commercial project, with its closed beta registration |
| 19:35.27 | thewanderer1 | it's just not right to limit access to an open-source project |
| 19:35.35 | thewanderer1 | it's an oxymoron |
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| 19:37.09 | thewanderer1 | I once wanted to create a Debian-based distro tailored for home server uses, but abandoned it at some point |
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| 19:37.39 | Optic | hmm |
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| 19:37.48 | Optic | grumps and frustrates :) |
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| 19:38.01 | jordanm | BrainBug[BE]: well, do you have a remote ftp server? |
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| 19:38.26 | BrainBug[BE] | jordanm, nope... |
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| 19:38.49 | BrainBug[BE] | jordanm, but i can create one, offsite, to access it.. |
| 19:38.54 | jordanm | BrainBug[BE]: then I would look into why your dyndns failed to update automagically :) |
| 19:39.01 | thewanderer1 | sander, it looks like all they do is pull Fedora apps and pretend it's theirs |
| 19:39.20 | jordanm | BrainBug[BE]: ssh would be much easier to do than ftp, because ftp would require a scripting language such as expect(1) to automate |
| 19:39.30 | hochron | why is optical equipment so crappy? |
| 19:39.40 | sander | thewanderer1, Did you get a download link right after regitration? |
| 19:40.00 | BrainBug[BE] | jordanm, i have ssh open, but i can't upload it .. cause if i dont have the no-ip running i can't see the ip .. i cant access the ssh :) |
| 19:40.04 | Optic | I think this page needs updating :( http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 19:40.26 | jordanm | BrainBug[BE]: your thinking the wrong way |
| 19:40.29 | jordanm | you're |
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| 19:40.40 | thewanderer1 | sander, I'm not subscribing, the ToS scare me away |
| 19:41.09 | jordanm | BrainBug[BE]: you don't need to get to your machine in order for it to get to a remote location on the internet to drop a file via ssh/scp |
| 19:41.51 | BrainBug[BE] | jordanm, ah u mean like an offsite ssh server? |
| 19:41.52 | xyan | BrainBug[BE]: if you have a webserver and access to its logs just crul/wget something from there to /dev/null each and every hour |
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| 19:42.01 | xyan | curl* |
| 19:42.14 | thewanderer1 | sander, the sources are buried here http://www.amahi.org/support/technology |
| 19:43.03 | jordanm | alright, I can understand people liking fedora or w/e, but who seriously wants to upgrade their home server every 9 months? |
| 19:43.31 | jimcooncat | What's recommended for a simple xfce environment -- lenny with backports? |
| 19:43.32 | jordanm | or maybe it was 14 months... |
| 19:43.54 | jordanm | jimcooncat: if you want 4.6, yes. personally, I am still using 4.4 from main |
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| 19:44.04 | jordanm | jimcooncat: you will definatly want 4.6 if this is a laptop however |
| 19:44.15 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, I don't mind updates if it's automatic and doesn't involve me |
| 19:44.24 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, otherwise, I want apt. :P |
| 19:44.38 | jimcooncat | jordanm: It's been a long time since I played with it -- doing up some very low-power desktops, my gf |
| 19:44.39 | n0ah | yo guys |
| 19:44.45 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I stand over every update I do.... good ole apticron mails me when its time though :) |
| 19:44.46 | n0ah | how to make nsswitch.conf modifications register, they aren't being. |
| 19:44.58 | jimcooncat | jordanm: my gf's laptop, and my home desktop with xfce |
| 19:45.00 | n0ah | in specific, passwd, shadow, and group file entries. |
| 19:45.07 | n0ah | getent shows the difference but getuid() doesn't.. |
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| 19:45.10 | jordanm | jimcooncat: 4.6 from backports should be fine |
| 19:45.16 | n0ah | well... 'id' command even rather |
| 19:45.29 | thewanderer1 | n0ah, perhaps relogin |
| 19:45.36 | n0ah | ... |
| 19:45.50 | jimcooncat | jordanm: good. I saw an old comment that xfce in backports was broken, but like many things people do fix stuff. thanks |
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| 19:46.21 | Texou | hi |
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| 19:46.41 | jordanm | jimcooncat: you should note that once you make a 4.4 -> 4.6 upgrade, there will be no reverting the changes of you user settings (if any) |
| 19:46.47 | Texou | could you remind me where are all releases of all Debian packages please? I can't find the URL |
| 19:47.00 | jimcooncat | jordanm: not a problem, doing all clean installs |
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| 19:47.11 | jordanm | !tell Texou about snapshots |
| 19:47.32 | Texou | ah snapshots! that's the term I searched for. Thanks |
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| 19:51.58 | karlpinc | Texou: archive.debian.org? |
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| 19:52.17 | karlpinc | Texou: (Although that's only for the non-supported stuff. The rest is in the active mirrors.) |
| 19:52.42 | Texou | karlpinc: snap!hots suite perfectly :) I looked for it |
| 19:54.19 | n0ah | ok, how would i reconfigure pam explicitly, to installation defaults. |
| 19:55.34 | n0ah | anyone? |
| 19:55.50 | n0ah | i was stupid not to back up originals now i need them... |
| 19:55.53 | n0ah | what package? |
| 19:55.56 | abrotman | what did you change to un-default it? |
| 19:56.15 | n0ah | i changed them to use an ldap server from the localhost, well actually installing libnss-ldapd did that for me |
| 19:56.25 | n0ah | but now i can't *start* the ldap server, without it getting a valid user id |
| 19:56.31 | n0ah | which it doesn't have because it's not running! |
| 19:56.50 | Texou | yes! and old release does what I want :) |
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| 19:57.50 | n0ah | and i don't even have a debian machine to know what to default these files to... |
| 19:58.10 | thewanderer1 | n0ah, need me to send over some defaults? |
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| 19:58.21 | thewanderer1 | you're running a broken nss and pam, right? |
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| 19:58.46 | n0ah | thewanderer1: yea i need defaults for all files in /etc/pam.d |
| 19:58.52 | n0ah | i can't even use apt-get without a valid user on the system |
| 19:58.52 | thewanderer1 | what about nss? |
| 19:58.57 | n0ah | that i can handle |
| 19:58.59 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 19:59.00 | n0ah | but sure |
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| 19:59.48 | n0ah | just tar -cvf files.tar /etc/pam.d |
| 19:59.52 | n0ah | host it somewhere, please. |
| 19:59.56 | thewanderer1 | doing it |
| 20:00.39 | n0ah | ... you're scaring me :o) |
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| 20:01.28 | thewanderer1 | n0ah, http://tmp.rkaw.pl/files/medium/pam-defaults.tar.bz2 - disappears in 48h |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 20:01.58 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 20:02.14 | n0ah | sigh, no bzip2 installed, i need just .tar please. |
| 20:02.29 | n0ah | nevermind i can do this from another machine, thanks |
| 20:02.32 | thewanderer1 | errrrr, ok :P |
| 20:05.13 | jordanm | thewanderer1: your irc client is unexpected from someone who seems to know what they are talking about :P |
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| 20:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is? |
| 20:05.59 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, I'm just a newbie to IRC |
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| 20:06.06 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: to me, yes |
| 20:06.10 | thewanderer1 | I use XMPP rather |
| 20:06.23 | jordanm | yes, you are using an XMPP client |
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| 20:07.04 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, no, I mainly chat over XMPP, just found this #debian channel recently and IRC got me |
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| 20:08.31 | thewanderer1 | there's also this crappy proprietary Gadu-Gadu protocol used by whole Poland that I have to cope with |
| 20:08.39 | thewanderer1 | the main reason I no longer use Kopete |
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| 20:12.37 | thewanderer1 | required too much diving in the code to keep up with gadu changes |
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| 20:26.23 | thewanderer1 | has anyone here invented an alternative way to run PHP as file owner on a WWW server? ie not requiring Apache? |
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| 20:27.04 | thewanderer1 | or got their own WWW server that does just that? |
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| 20:27.34 | radiomark | Hi, is there the filesystem of a vanilla Debian 4 available for viewing online? |
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| 20:28.07 | thewanderer1 | radiomark, you might have problems with viewing it online, but visit download.openvz.org - you can find pre-built binary Etch images there |
| 20:28.12 | radiomark | I want to see what has changed on this system compared to a vanilla install -- just a couple of files |
| 20:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yes, php can be executed directly without a web browser, just like bash or perl can. |
| 20:28.42 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, now I need to run it with vhosting |
| 20:29.02 | thewanderer1 | I actually use php-cli all the time, but see no use of it in vhosting |
| 20:29.57 | radiomark | thewanderer1: thanks, but I'd have to download a whole image, which will take some time |
| 20:30.20 | thewanderer1 | radiomark, I don't know any other way, I don't have an Etch install handy |
| 20:31.02 | radiomark | Hmmm. The overall problem I am trying to solve is to re-enable user-private-groups on this system |
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| 20:31.42 | radiomark | I can see /etc/profile has a 'umask 022' entry added, but it doesn't seem to have an effect. How does Debian know if I'm using user-private-groups or not? |
| 20:32.03 | hochron | (guy who mixed debians) if I just install my root partition, will my system still be messed up? I compiled python3.1.2 in my home partition |
| 20:32.33 | jordanm | radiomark: I believe that it has to do with UID/GID > 1000 and matching. there was discussion of it on the debian-user mailing list a couple months back |
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| 20:32.52 | jordanm | hochron: most of those files will be installed to /usr |
| 20:33.11 | jordanm | perhaps all of them... |
| 20:33.13 | radiomark | jordanm: Ah, so it works it out? Does this mean all I need to do is create new users with their own matching group? |
| 20:33.25 | jordanm | radiomark: let me dig up the thread |
| 20:33.37 | hochron | yeah but python3.1.2 is for sid and I have 5.01 lenny-stable |
| 20:33.41 | radiomark | jordanm: I know that 'users' is my primary group, and it seems to be happily giving me regular (non-UPG) usage |
| 20:33.47 | thewanderer1 | radiomark, /etc/adduser.conf enables or disables private groups |
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| 20:34.33 | malvarma | I came in here before with a problem booting CD. I discovered my Cd burner is broken |
| 20:34.34 | radiomark | thewanderer1: Thanks, useful. USERGROUPS=yes is in that file, but users have manually been set to primary group 'users' |
| 20:34.48 | jordanm | radiomark: http://lists.debian.org/20100525220935.201d11b8c.gatzemeier@tu-bs.de@tu-bs.de |
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| 20:35.03 | malvarma | I'm going to install debian off a cd key. If I use unetbootin, should I format it as ext4? |
| 20:35.16 | jordanm | radiomark: the discussion was about the future of implementing it in debian, but I recall it covered how it worked and etc |
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| 20:35.31 | jordanm | malvarma: unetbootin does not function properly, follow the install guide |
| 20:35.32 | nadar | hi |
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| 20:35.40 | malvarma | jordanm ok thanks |
| 20:35.52 | malvarma | Yeah it gave me a problem before. |
| 20:35.53 | jordanm | malvarma: also, you probably don't want ext4 in lenny |
| 20:36.02 | malvarma | Understood. |
| 20:36.02 | jordanm | !tell malvarma about usb install |
| 20:36.05 | radiomark | jordanm: Well it sounds like Debian is being quite smart, and setting user's umask appropriately in both cases. So let me test with a new user with their own group |
| 20:36.08 | malvarma | thanks :) |
| 20:36.19 | jordanm | malvarma: np :) |
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| 20:36.32 | nadar | i am trying to install debian to a nslu2 but all the time i get "The installer failed to download a file from the mirror. [...]" whats the problem? (i treid quiet a range of mirrors) |
| 20:37.00 | moldovean | nadar, installing etch ? |
| 20:37.08 | nadar | moldovean, lenny |
| 20:37.14 | radiomark | No, dammit. Something is overriding umask to 022 |
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| 20:37.28 | jordanm | nadar: is your CD old (as-in before the last point release)? |
| 20:38.04 | nadar | jordanm, i use this image: http://www.slug-firmware.net/d-dls.php |
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| 20:38.13 | moldovean | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ |
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| 20:38.52 | thewanderer1 | radiomark, is it PAM? |
| 20:39.05 | thewanderer1 | or profile file |
| 20:39.23 | nadar | moldovean, do you want to point out to some exact thing? |
| 20:39.26 | jordanm | moldovean: well, that does not look like official debian, and the current release is 5.0.5, which I assume is why it is failing to fetch 5.0.4 files |
| 20:39.37 | radiomark | jordanm: Thanks for the thread |
| 20:39.56 | radiomark | thewanderer1: The system is using PAM as far as I know |
| 20:40.08 | jordanm | !tell moldovean about arm |
| 20:40.08 | radiomark | thewanderer1: But I found 'umask 022' in the /etc/profile file; is this there by standard? |
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| 20:40.36 | jordanm | moldovean: looks like it is official. I recommend asking the #debian-arm channel on oftc |
| 20:40.40 | thewanderer1 | radiomark, yea |
| 20:41.13 | raboof | if i want a slightly-patched version of a package, what's the way to go? 'apt-get source', make change, then what? |
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| 20:41.24 | radiomark | thewanderer1: Hmmm. Could you please tell me what your system outputs for "id; umask" ? That would help me a great deal |
| 20:41.26 | jordanm | !tell raboof about package recompile |
| 20:42.02 | raboof | jordanm: great, thanks! |
| 20:42.08 | thewanderer1 | uid=1000(thewanderer) gid=100(users) grupy=27(sudo),100(users) |
| 20:42.14 | thewanderer1 | umask=0022 |
| 20:42.23 | moldovean | jordanm,link was for nadar |
| 20:42.37 | radiomark | thewanderer1: I see you have the same as me, and are not using UPG |
| 20:42.39 | jordanm | moldovean: sorry |
| 20:42.43 | thewanderer1 | radiomark, yes |
| 20:42.48 | jordanm | !tell nadar about arm |
| 20:42.51 | thewanderer1 | I always set it up like this |
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| 20:45.03 | nadar | jordanm, ty. though i wanted to use stable... |
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| 20:45.44 | moldovean | nadar, 5.0.5 is stable |
| 20:45.47 | radiomark | Can anyone here using UPG tell me what I should expect from "id; umask" on Debian? |
| 20:47.04 | thewanderer1 | uid=1002(thewanderer) gid=1001(thewanderer) groups=1001(thewanderer) |
| 20:47.13 | thewanderer1 | umask 0022 |
| 20:47.34 | radiomark | So the umask is still 0022, even if UPG is in use? That is what I have here, but I assumed it was incorrect |
| 20:48.29 | thewanderer1 | radiomark, yes, it's the default |
| 20:48.43 | thewanderer1 | it's also in the profile |
| 20:49.33 | thewanderer1 | this chat window is pretty useful... tells me what time it is so that I don't run late |
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| 20:50.04 | thewanderer1 | radiomark, you can set the default home directory mode in /etc/adduser.conf, but not umask I think |
| 20:50.37 | radiomark | This thread I am reading hints at pam_umask will set umask automatically -- different value for UPG to non-UPG |
| 20:50.49 | radiomark | Is this a Debian 5 thing? ie. would I need to upgrade? |
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| 20:51.08 | thewanderer1 | dunno... if you use /etc/profile, you can set it to whatever you like anyway |
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| 20:51.26 | radiomark | thewanderer1: Well yes and no. That will work for shells, but not a lot else |
| 20:51.32 | thewanderer1 | just see if you have pam_umask available |
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| 20:53.13 | dFO | hello |
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| 20:53.25 | radiomark | thewanderer1: I don't appear to have pam_umask.so, no |
| 20:53.31 | dFO | I have a problem |
| 20:54.00 | dFO | anyone can help? |
| 20:54.14 | thewanderer1 | just go ahead and state it |
| 20:54.16 | malvarma | Say what the problem is. |
| 20:54.16 | xyan | !ask |
| 20:54.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:54.19 | dFO | ok |
| 20:54.22 | malvarma | :) |
| 20:54.28 | gnoob | :p |
| 20:54.30 | dFO | well when i edit #define __FD_SETSIZE 1024 and change the limit from root it works |
| 20:54.38 | dFO | but when i want to incrase the same limit for user its not working |
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| 20:54.53 | dFO | when i go to vi /usr/include/bits/typesizes.h in the user it shows the changed limit |
| 20:55.01 | dFO | but ulimit -n shows the old limit which is 1024 |
| 20:55.09 | dFO | how can i increase this limit for a user |
| 20:55.26 | malvarma | I also have a problem :P I'm going to install debian from a usb key but I don't understand the instructions here http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 20:55.56 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, so do the easy way, it's a no-brainer |
| 20:55.57 | malvarma | "If you used an hd-media image, you should now copy a Debian ISO image (businesscard, netinst or full CD image; be sure to select one that fits) onto the stick." - how do I know if I used a hd-media image? I downloaded the netinst image for amn64 |
| 20:56.09 | DustyDingo | malvarma: i can remeber that this never worked straight for me :) |
| 20:56.14 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, you also need a hd-media image |
| 20:56.20 | dFO | no one wants to help me? :D |
| 20:56.22 | thewanderer1 | to be found on Debian mirrors |
| 20:56.25 | gnoob | how do I disable IPv6 on debian server? |
| 20:56.26 | DustyDingo | malvarma: but it's all not that complicated |
| 20:56.27 | malvarma | Oh :( |
| 20:56.47 | malvarma | dFO, I'm sure someone will |
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| 20:56.52 | dFO | ok |
| 20:57.04 | dFO | anyone...? |
| 20:57.08 | malvarma | Patience. |
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| 20:57.13 | moldovean | gnoob, /msg dpkg noipv6 |
| 20:57.31 | thewanderer1 | does dpkg know everything? who programs it? |
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| 20:58.05 | DustyDingo | dpkg even knows your mom! |
| 20:58.05 | dpkg | DustyDingo: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:58.16 | DustyDingo | ahaha |
| 20:58.31 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 20:58.50 | thewanderer1 | dFO, why are you thinking that changing this in /usr/include/bits/* would have any effect on users? |
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| 20:58.53 | DustyDingo | dpkg: it's really huge |
| 20:58.53 | dpkg | DustyDingo: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:59.14 | xyan | dFO: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 20:59.19 | DustyDingo | dpkg: puh, i don't know how that would help with thewanderer1's mom |
| 20:59.19 | dpkg | i don't know, DustyDingo |
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| 20:59.33 | thewanderer1 | dFO, also don't mess with system includes... put it like it used to be |
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| 21:00.20 | moldovean | dpkg, who own you ? |
| 21:00.20 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 21:00.36 | amee2k | what package contains development stuff for the v4l library? |
| 21:00.53 | moldovean | -dev |
| 21:00.54 | orfix | Hi, do you know why i am getting this error message while loading a module that i just compiled : http://pastebin.org/406266 |
| 21:01.17 | thewanderer1 | amee2k, libv4l-dev - Collection of video4linux support libraries (development files) |
| 21:01.39 | amee2k | thewanderer1: thats funny. what repo? |
| 21:01.59 | thewanderer1 | !versions libv4l-dev |
| 21:02.02 | thewanderer1 | I fail. |
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| 21:02.06 | thewanderer1 | !version libv4l-dev |
| 21:02.14 | thewanderer1 | how do I ask dpkg 'bout that, peeps? :P |
| 21:02.17 | moldovean | , versions libv4l-dev |
| 21:02.18 | judd | libv4l-dev -- lenny-backports: 0.6.3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.0-1; squeeze: 0.8.0-1 |
| 21:02.27 | amee2k | i've got lenny main non-free contrib in my repo and no third party stuff (anymore) |
| 21:02.28 | thewanderer1 | ,versions libv4l-dev |
| 21:02.28 | judd | libv4l-dev -- lenny-backports: 0.6.3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.0-1; squeeze: 0.8.0-1 |
| 21:02.34 | thewanderer1 | oh it's judd |
| 21:02.36 | amee2k | s/repo/sources/ |
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| 21:02.59 | gnoob | moldovean thanks for helping:) But Im afraid I didnt understand the solution,, (sorry :p) I write dpkg noipv6and thats it? |
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| 21:03.03 | amee2k | thats bad. |
| 21:03.11 | thewanderer1 | yup |
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| 21:03.18 | newdb | help-me pliss |
| 21:03.21 | newdb | http://paste.linuxajuda.com.br/index.php?show=7 |
| 21:03.24 | moldovean | !noipv6 |
| 21:03.24 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 21:03.25 | amee2k | so uh, v4l doesn't exist in stable |
| 21:03.32 | moldovean | gnoob, ^^ |
| 21:03.33 | kernel_chaos | Hi all, does anyone know how I can use my video card to its fullest? |
| 21:03.45 | kernel_chaos | I have the Intel Mobile 4 VGA compat |
| 21:03.54 | gnoob | Thanks :) |
| 21:03.57 | moldovean | np |
| 21:04.00 | thewanderer1 | kernel_chaos, run glxgears and put eggs on it, you get a meal in no time |
| 21:04.02 | kernel_chaos | But i know its not being used to its full potential |
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| 21:04.50 | moldovean | !tell gnoob about ask the bot |
| 21:04.50 | kernel_chaos | thewanderer1, yeah but my screen resolution should be 780p |
| 21:05.02 | gnoob | kernel_chaos usually downloading and installing restricted drivers :\ what card? |
| 21:05.05 | kernel_chaos | That's what i'm trying to get it to do |
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| 21:05.32 | kernel_chaos | :~# lspci | grep VGA |
| 21:05.32 | kernel_chaos | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 21:05.38 | moldovean | !tell gnoob about msg the bot , sry |
| 21:05.39 | xyan | kernel_chaos: the only driver for intel cards is developped by intel :) |
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| 21:06.02 | newdb | alguem me ajuda |
| 21:06.03 | newdb | ¶;/~~ |
| 21:06.09 | moldovean | !es |
| 21:06.09 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 21:06.15 | kernel_chaos | xyan, I read on their site that its supposed to be supported out of the box |
| 21:06.18 | kernel_chaos | But it's not |
| 21:06.24 | xyan | it is for me |
| 21:06.26 | xyan | i have the same |
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| 21:06.47 | kernel_chaos | xyan, When i full screen a HD vid from youtube its very choppy |
| 21:06.48 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.54 | kernel_chaos | And its not at the full potential |
| 21:07.23 | kernel_chaos | ~# lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 21:07.23 | kernel_chaos | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
| 21:07.27 | xyan | kernel_chaos: thats not the cards problem but the flashplayers problem |
| 21:07.32 | xyan | kernel_chaos: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 21:07.36 | moldovean | , pciid 8086:2a42 |
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| 21:07.37 | judd | [8086:2a42] is 'Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2a42 |
| 21:07.51 | moldovean | kernel_chaos, ^^ |
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| 21:08.08 | moldovean | kernel_chaos, uname -r , say ? |
| 21:08.12 | kernel_chaos | :~# glxinfo | grep direct |
| 21:08.13 | kernel_chaos | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 21:08.13 | kernel_chaos | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 21:08.26 | MytE | hey does anyone know if its possible to split one ethernet port to 2 devices ? you kjnow how you have those splitters that cross 2 of the twisted pairs from one port to the other |
| 21:08.26 | kernel_chaos | :~# uname -r |
| 21:08.27 | kernel_chaos | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 21:08.31 | xyan | oh great, forgot i run sid haha |
| 21:08.35 | MytE | and those are used to make 2 runs over one cable |
| 21:08.55 | MytE | i wanna know if the reverse is possible .. lug into one ethernet port on my debian box and exxectively have 2 interfaces |
| 21:09.02 | MytE | plug |
| 21:09.08 | MytE | effectively |
| 21:09.09 | kernel_chaos | That error, should I follow its direction? |
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| 21:09.53 | xyan | kernel_chaos: try a backport kernel maybe, but i doubt the mesa libs from lenny are new enough |
| 21:10.08 | MytE | i guess im looking for the opposite of bonding |
| 21:10.25 | kernel_chaos | xyan, people have got it working for the 2.6.* kernel |
| 21:10.38 | kernel_chaos | Installing a new one probably isnt a good idea |
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| 21:10.50 | moldovean | kernel_chaos, install 2.6.32 kernel from backports, b/c of your card |
| 21:10.51 | kernel_chaos | However, i've only seen forum posts for other distro's |
| 21:10.51 | xyan | yeah.. i run 2.6.34 but with unstable userland |
| 21:11.20 | kernel_chaos | moldovean, that should fix it? |
| 21:11.33 | moldovean | let's try .. |
| 21:11.37 | xyan | judd: versions libdrm-intel1 |
| 21:11.39 | judd | libdrm-intel1 -- sid: 2.4.18-6; squeeze: 2.4.18-6; experimental: 2.4.21-1 |
| 21:12.06 | kernel_chaos | Do i have to modify /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 21:12.19 | moldovean | kernel_chaos, anyways that will fix your graphic card |
| 21:12.33 | xyan | kernel_chaos: ^^ you will need that lib which is in squeeze only (thats the direct rendering manager) without it you dont get direct rendering and things stay as bad as they are now, even with a backport kernel |
| 21:12.39 | thewanderer1 | MytE, do you want VLANs? |
| 21:12.48 | moldovean | !backports |
| 21:12.48 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 21:13.06 | moldovean | kernel_chaos, ^^ |
| 21:13.06 | thewanderer1 | MytE, or just simple multiple IP addresses on a single interface? |
| 21:13.13 | kernel_chaos | Ok |
| 21:13.56 | kernel_chaos | moldovean, whats the apt-get syntax to install that kernel ? |
| 21:14.15 | moldovean | !aptitude |
| 21:14.15 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 21:15.04 | xyan | aptitude -t backports install linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:15.08 | xyan | or something |
| 21:15.11 | ElllisD | !virtio |
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| 21:15.19 | ElllisD | aww |
| 21:15.47 | xyan | kernel_chaos: as i said you need libdrm-intel1 as well which is in squeeze, not sure if theres a backport. anyway have fun |
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| 21:16.09 | moldovean | xyan, let him do some reads |
| 21:16.32 | kernel_chaos | That |
| 21:16.38 | kernel_chaos | all i been doing |
| 21:16.43 | kernel_chaos | Since i got this lappy |
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| 21:17.01 | kernel_chaos | Took me 3 days to get BCM4312 working with native drivers |
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| 21:17.18 | thewanderer1 | kernel_chaos, strange, the README is pretty clear |
| 21:17.20 | kernel_chaos | And my sound is only coming from the ear phones and not speaker |
| 21:17.34 | thewanderer1 | my README states: throw out Broadcom and buy a real WiFi |
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| 21:17.39 | xyan | "you got to love it" ⢠|
| 21:18.10 | thewanderer1 | so what's the keypress for the trademark sign? |
| 21:18.13 | kernel_chaos | thewanderer1, well luckily for me the good folks that manufactured the card wrote wl.ko |
| 21:18.33 | xyan | thewanderer1: i will let you do some reading haha ;) |
| 21:18.50 | thewanderer1 | kernel_chaos, I remember its early versions, it gave me kernel panics every second time I did ifup, lol |
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| 21:18.59 | thewanderer1 | it's more stable now fortunately |
| 21:19.04 | thewanderer1 | but gave me headaches |
| 21:19.10 | kernel_chaos | I was about to give up and use ndiswrapper |
| 21:19.19 | malvarma | ok Installing debian from usb key (http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03). Dumb question: When it says "after that, mount the memory stick and copy the iso image to it" |
| 21:19.28 | thewanderer1 | before Broadcom released STA, that's what I was using |
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| 21:19.35 | kernel_chaos | thewanderer1, you'll never figure out what my work around was. ..... |
| 21:19.39 | malvarma | do I just copy the .iso or do I extract the iso and copy all the contents? |
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| 21:19.47 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, copy the .iso |
| 21:19.56 | thewanderer1 | the installer is magical and it extracts it on-the-fly |
| 21:19.59 | malvarma | thewanderer1, ok, thats what it sounded like. Just seemed odd. |
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| 21:20.06 | malvarma | Oh! I didn't know it extracted it. |
| 21:20.07 | malvarma | Thanks. |
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| 21:20.20 | thewanderer1 | it has to install it somehow :P |
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| 21:22.55 | malvarma | Ok, gonna try installing again. |
| 21:22.59 | malvarma | crosses fingers. |
| 21:23.07 | malvarma | Thanks for all your help so far. |
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| 21:23.41 | zebradog | malvarma, cross your legs.. your balls are hitting the keyboard |
| 21:24.47 | thewanderer1 | zebradog, you fail, he already /part'ed :P |
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| 21:25.11 | moldovean | zebradog, .. stupid comments , as usually |
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| 21:27.06 | kindofabuzz | cis there another channel for Debian "testing"? |
| 21:27.15 | kindofabuzz | *is |
| 21:28.11 | thewanderer1 | kindofabuzz, no, we discuss it here |
| 21:28.30 | kindofabuzz | trying to install testing, but it does not see my ethernet card. |
| 21:28.38 | streuner | what chipset? |
| 21:28.45 | kindofabuzz | realtek |
| 21:28.59 | streuner | is the chipset supported at all? |
| 21:29.04 | kindofabuzz | Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139 |
| 21:29.08 | sansen | kindofabuzz, oftc server |
| 21:29.19 | streuner | heh |
| 21:29.32 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys 8139 |
| 21:29.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8139' by key (5): rtl8139 ;; 8139 ;; _default rtl8139 ;; _default 8139 ;; #debian rtl8139. |
| 21:29.37 | kindofabuzz | works with other distros |
| 21:29.40 | streuner | dpkg, rtl8139 |
| 21:29.41 | dpkg | [rtl8139] a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. See also <rtl81x9.c>. |
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| 21:30.08 | kindofabuzz | so not supported? |
| 21:30.15 | streuner | damn, no |
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| 21:30.48 | thewanderer1 | what, rtl8139 is not supported? you're kidding... |
| 21:30.53 | kindofabuzz | so debian is the only distro that doesn't support it? that sucks |
| 21:30.57 | thewanderer1 | man |
| 21:31.08 | thewanderer1 | rtl8139 is surely supported |
| 21:31.18 | streuner | kindofabuzz: its a kernel issue |
| 21:31.20 | kindofabuzz | during install it can't find it |
| 21:31.46 | thewanderer1 | kindofabuzz, have you tried expert mode and loading addinational NIC drivers? |
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| 21:32.06 | zebradog | thinks rtl8139 is for losers.. thinks rtl8169 is for winners.. |
| 21:32.08 | kindofabuzz | thewanderer1: no i haven't, i'll try that |
| 21:32.33 | streuner | zebradog: sure, but for most people 8139 just work |
| 21:32.36 | thewanderer1 | zebradog, rtl8139 is the real classic, now what's the big deal? I don't see a difference |
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| 21:32.49 | streuner | well, performance |
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| 21:33.08 | streuner | 8139 is a cheap chipset, but it works |
| 21:33.10 | thewanderer1 | rtl8139 works at FastEthernet speeds, right? |
| 21:33.38 | zebradog | thewanderer1, 8169 is a gigabit.. represents into the future |
| 21:33.39 | xyan | rtl8169 sucks as well, had one in my old laptop and it locked up after transfering a gig of data unless disabling each and every offloading feature. after that it could do 4 gigs before locking up |
| 21:33.40 | streuner | not GB chipset, IIRC |
| 21:33.52 | thewanderer1 | zebradog, for Gigabit we have Intel |
| 21:33.58 | streuner | its a lame chipset, but cheap |
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| 21:34.15 | zebradog | 8139 is cheap.. but it's ok, i just like to think about the future |
| 21:34.27 | thewanderer1 | does rtl8169 have so-called TCP offloading? |
| 21:35.15 | thewanderer1 | I've read TCP offloading is not supported at all in Linux |
| 21:35.46 | xyan | ethtool could enable various offloading options, dont quite remember which in detail |
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| 21:36.27 | thewanderer1 | xyan, all that don't involve packet reassembling |
| 21:36.54 | xyan | ah ok |
| 21:36.57 | thewanderer1 | this TCP offload engine seems to be just a huge hack on the networking stack |
| 21:37.13 | thewanderer1 | and the supported operations are only frame reordering I think |
| 21:37.55 | xyan | just reading http://lwn.net/Articles/148697/ |
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| 21:47.50 | aiyu | hii all, please recommend me a good download manager for debian |
| 21:48.05 | streuner | wget |
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| 21:48.46 | thewanderer1 | axel is better :P |
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| 21:48.54 | thewanderer1 | it also accelerates downloads |
| 21:49.02 | streuner | curl |
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| 21:49.46 | aiyu | does it have a gui-frontend with pause/resume feaure |
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| 21:50.07 | thewanderer1 | aiyu, it has ctrl+c |
| 21:50.14 | thewanderer1 | and I don't know about resume |
| 21:50.18 | thewanderer1 | wget has resume |
| 21:50.20 | xyan | ctrl+z |
| 21:50.20 | xyan | fg |
| 21:50.25 | thewanderer1 | ah, right :P |
| 21:50.40 | Flashtek | depends what you want this download manager to do |
| 21:50.45 | thewanderer1 | but wget -c http://url does a real resume |
| 21:50.55 | thewanderer1 | xyan, HTTP sockets timeout you know |
| 21:50.59 | xyan | sure |
| 21:51.17 | Flashtek | just install flashgot and have done with.. |
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| 21:51.50 | xyan | wish wget -c would work in combination with xargs -P |
| 21:52.07 | thewanderer1 | that's what we have bash for |
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| 21:53.01 | aiyu | thanks guys |
| 21:53.02 | aguitel | how to add users and groups in system --administration menu ? |
| 21:53.47 | thewanderer1 | aguitel, adduser and addgroup |
| 21:53.50 | thewanderer1 | read the manpages :P |
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| 21:56.17 | xyan | damn axel seems to be pretty tight, besides its name |
| 21:57.06 | joker[avd] | lftp pget ftw |
| 21:57.48 | xyan | joker http for the fail init |
| 21:58.07 | aguitel | thewanderer1, the group is scanner or scanners ? |
| 21:58.22 | thewanderer1 | scanner |
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| 22:00.08 | joker[avd] | axel -a is pretty nice |
| 22:00.34 | thewanderer1 | yup |
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| 22:01.21 | joker[avd] | xyan: What? |
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| 22:05.09 | xyan | joker[avd]: wasnt aware of lftps http capabilities |
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| 22:08.21 | LemensTS | how do i make a system wide change of export XUGGLE_HOME=/usr/local/xuggler |
| 22:08.40 | LemensTS | i can run that as root and it does what i need for that program |
| 22:08.57 | LemensTS | but if apache trys to run that program that is not 'exported' for it so it fails |
| 22:09.01 | xyan | /etc/environment |
| 22:09.48 | xyan | if it is for apache only then use /etc/apache[2?]/envvars |
| 22:10.31 | xyan | eww wrong place i guess |
| 22:10.54 | aguitel | anyone use scanner epson cx5600 |
| 22:10.57 | LemensTS | xyan: do i gotta reboot to make that go into effect? |
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| 22:11.43 | xyan | LemensTS: if it is meant for apache (the www-data user i guess) just restart apache after adding your export to /etc/environment and it should work |
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| 22:28.56 | crazy2k_ | How do I automatically forward emails from some person with a certain subject to some email address? I have fetchmail+procmail+mutt |
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| 22:30.15 | nkuttler | crazy2k_: i think the procmail man page / docs have exmples for that |
| 22:30.32 | DogBoy | probably easier to google on procmail recipes |
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| 22:30.58 | crazy2k_ | Thanks! :) |
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| 22:36.19 | Sir_Konrad | >_< |
| 22:36.26 | Sir_Konrad | ok it works now |
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| 22:43.25 | smv | this is the 10th time by now, or so, when after 01:00am alot of things invoke oom-kiler. i hate this. i understand that 512mb is less than what a normal desktop will use these days, but it is enough in the rest of the day, even if i run 20 gome apps at the same time. |
| 22:43.33 | smv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:44.26 | Bushmills | check your cronjobs |
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| 22:45.41 | smv | everything is as was by default. i didn't touched a single cron/anacron file. shouldn't they be good as default? |
| 22:46.21 | PinkFreud | smv: depends on how much memory your other apps are using at the time. Desktop managers like Gnome do tend to consume quite a bit of memory. |
| 22:46.47 | PinkFreud | with that little installed, you may want to consider switching to a lighter window manager setup, like openbox. |
| 22:46.59 | Bushmills | i have 512 MiB RAM too |
| 22:47.20 | smv | and why isn't using swap then? it has 3gb swap space. |
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| 22:47.45 | Bushmills | 250 MiB swap here ... |
| 22:47.55 | PinkFreud | are you certain that swap is untouched when the oom-killer is let out of it's cage? |
| 22:48.19 | smv | i think so. atleast that is what i see in syslog |
| 22:48.29 | smv | lemme give you a sample |
| 22:50.30 | ElllisD | how does lvm determine which member to read/write to/from? |
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| 22:51.49 | smv | PinkFreud, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/802d364a/ |
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| 22:52.33 | smv | and this was much later than the whole killing thing started |
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| 22:55.00 | peta | hello everybody |
| 22:55.56 | peta | when deploying web applications on a production server, where should i store the files? up to now i used to store them at /var/www/myProj. but recently i saw several alternative paths like /usr/local/www/foo/bar. |
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| 22:56.51 | pyther24 | Hi |
| 22:57.02 | pyther24 | I replaced my motherboard and know my NIC adapter is showing as eth1 |
| 22:57.03 | jordanm | peta: typically /var is used for data storage, but you as the admin, can choose wherever you prefer |
| 22:57.06 | pyther24 | how can I switch it back to eth0? |
| 22:57.16 | jordanm | !70 |
| 22:57.16 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 22:59.24 | peta | jordanm: what are the best practices? or can you suggest me some good links where i can learn more about the filesystem structure and its meaning? when not i'll just google |
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| 23:00.42 | pyther24 | Jordan_U, cheers |
| 23:01.01 | jordanm | !fhs |
| 23:01.01 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
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| 23:01.13 | jordanm | peta: see the official FHS documentation ^ |
| 23:01.23 | peta | great := |
| 23:05.33 | peta | what is meant with "site-specific data which is served by the system" for /usr ? |
| 23:06.09 | peta | does "site-specific" mean websites or ... |
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| 23:08.50 | jordanm | peta: I think that it means that it is specific to the particular machine or server. it can't be "shared" amongst all the boxes on your network |
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| 23:09.58 | Arrowmaster | but /usr is for sharing amongst all the boxes on your network |
| 23:10.03 | KatieKitty | hi, i need some help in bash scripting |
| 23:10.45 | abrotman | KatieKitty: did you see #bash ? |
| 23:10.48 | KatieKitty | i tried to do this |
| 23:10.48 | KatieKitty | cat >test<<eof |
| 23:10.49 | KatieKitty | rewrite ^(.+)$ /index.php?q=$1 last; |
| 23:10.49 | KatieKitty | eof |
| 23:10.49 | KatieKitty | but the "$1" was lost in the outout file |
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| 23:12.18 | peta | sorry, i mixed it up ... my quoted description is for /srv. so you were right, jordanm |
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| 23:12.36 | peta | Arrowmaster: can you give me an example what those data might be? |
| 23:12.49 | Arrowmaster | for /srv or /usr? |
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| 23:13.36 | peta | for both :) |
| 23:14.20 | peta | now i think that i could store webapplications under /srv too, because they're specific to the host they're running from and cannot be simply moved |
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| 23:14.56 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:15.14 | phogg | you could also store them anywhere you like, but not /usr please |
| 23:15.44 | peta | ok |
| 23:15.46 | Arrowmaster | i think the only reason nothing defaults to using /srv is because there is no set structure for /srv |
| 23:15.53 | jordanm | phogg: you prefer to use /etc? :p |
| 23:16.05 | phogg | jordanm: well i cannot recommend that one, either |
| 23:16.10 | peta | hehe |
| 23:16.22 | phogg | mkdir /website # seems logical to me |
| 23:16.49 | Arrowmaster | i would rather put stuff under /srv than dump it in / |
| 23:17.10 | Arrowmaster | my large raid6 storage array is on /srv/data |
| 23:17.30 | phogg | I am not dumping in /, I am dumping in /website which is just as good as /srv except that it's longer to type. |
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| 23:17.42 | phogg | though in the real world /w<TAB> is faster |
| 23:17.51 | peta | okay, i'll create the structure /srv/www/myproj and put there my non-changing application files whereas i put logs/db/etc. to /var/foo/bar |
| 23:17.55 | intx | what's a lightweight window manager for debian? |
| 23:18.03 | phogg | intx: how light do you want? |
| 23:18.25 | intx | i don't really know |
| 23:18.34 | phogg | twm is fairly resource friendly, icewm is lighter than e.g. metacity or kwin. I like e16, myself. |
| 23:18.39 | Ex-Opesa | intx: thunder maybe. |
| 23:18.53 | phogg | to get really light you need to go to a minimal WM like awesome |
| 23:19.18 | intx | how much memory does e16 take approximately? |
| 23:19.20 | jordanm | intx: Xfce if you want a lightweight desktop environment |
| 23:19.29 | peta | where i come to another question ... by default i cannot create files/dirs under /srv or /var. is it reasonable to create a folder with sudo and then change the owner to www-data:www-data and then add the user-account i'm deploying the data with to the group www-data so that i can create/modify files inside there? |
| 23:19.48 | Metatron | i like icewm (ice windows manager) |
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| 23:20.20 | Metatron | jwm (joe's windows manager) is good too for a light wm |
| 23:20.21 | intx | phogg: thanks for the info, i'll definitely look into a few of them |
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| 23:20.28 | jordanm | peta: www-data does not need to own the files, it only (in most cases) needs to read or execute it |
| 23:20.41 | intx | thanks Ex-Opesa and jordanm too |
| 23:21.00 | jordanm | peta: you can create the basedir and symlink it to your home, but you won't want that for multi-user hosting |
| 23:21.32 | phogg | intx: e16 is quite small. My vsize says 12912 at the moment with RSS at 6640. |
| 23:21.44 | phogg | I suppose ti will depend on your theme and number of desktops and such. |
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| 23:22.27 | intx | nice |
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| 23:23.54 | peta | jordanm: that sounds reasonable.i think i'll go for this... |
| 23:24.01 | intx | actually I should have mentioned what I need it for.. basically I just want something that'll let me run a shell/xterm with a custom colour set (grey on black). I'd use the console/vesafb itself, it has a limited height and the fonts are very limited |
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| 23:24.27 | intx | so I just want something that'd let me run a console with better use of my pixels |
| 23:24.47 | craigevil | intx: dvtm is nice if you just want console |
| 23:25.01 | jordanm | awm |
| 23:25.14 | intx | craigevil: thanks |
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| 23:26.15 | intx | and thanks again jordanm |
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| 23:28.00 | Bushmills | fbterm |
| 23:28.36 | RichiH | unban spam incoming |
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| 23:29.05 | n0ah | yes, hello... |
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| 23:30.04 | n0ah | you're almost there! |
| 23:30.12 | n0ah | wtf... |
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| 23:30.42 | tharkun | RichiH: Isn't it a bit late to do spring cleaning? |
| 23:31.00 | RichiH | tharkun: that's why it's summer cleaning |
| 23:31.17 | tharkun | :-) |
| 23:31.34 | massmc_ | Hi, I formatted a drive to XFS, moved some files over, and after reboot I have no permission to mount this as the same user.. any help? |
| 23:31.37 | n0ah | i can't believe i'm in this channel :x |
| 23:32.06 | massmc_ | Cant even get into it as root |
| 23:32.20 | peta | jordanm, Arrowmaster, phogg: thanks a lot for your help |
| 23:32.22 | peta | bye |
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| 23:32.29 | Sir_Konrad | mentor: PM'd you. |
| 23:32.47 | jordanm | peta: np |
| 23:32.49 | n0ah | just to be honest though, debian was the first nix i ever owned on cd, and used for a few years :o) though more these days if i'm going to use linux i use gentoo or arch, but i'd rather use bsd or solaris anyways.. granted the situation permits it.. anywho yea just figured i'd let you guys know... |
| 23:32.55 | n0ah | later! |
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| 23:33.16 | massmc_ | lol n0ah |
| 23:34.08 | intx | has anyone here used dwm before? |
| 23:34.22 | jablko | my understanding is that since lenny has been released, bugs in lenny versions of packages can't be fixed, except in squeeze? |
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| 23:34.34 | intx | trying to figure out if I need to recompile it just to change the background colour of the default terminal |
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| 23:34.59 | jablko | so what's the correct action for a maintainer when someone reports a bug in a lenny version of a package, that's since been fixed in squeeze? |
| 23:35.08 | jordanm | jablko: yes, unless they are considered release critical, then they go into the next point release |
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| 23:35.13 | jablko | e.g. 577141 |
| 23:35.33 | jordanm | jablko: are you asking because you are the maintainer? |
| 23:35.46 | jablko | jordanm: yes |
| 23:36.11 | jablko | i think i should mark it closed since it doesn't exist in squeeze? |
| 23:36.24 | jablko | (the bug is only in lenny) |
| 23:36.54 | jordanm | jablko: well, this is the wrong server, and wrong channel. |
| 23:37.04 | jordanm | !tell jablko about mentors |
| 23:37.13 | jablko | jordanm: oops - thanks |
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| 23:37.36 | tharkun | jordanm: hmm more like #d-d |
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| 23:38.13 | jordanm | tharkun: he could do that too, but I was assuming his upload was sponsered, and that would be the appropriate place to learn |
| 23:39.18 | tharkun | ohh, so you are also on #d-d :-) |
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| 23:40.31 | jordanm | tharkun: I idle on most of those channels and mailing lists |
| 23:40.45 | intx | oh i see.. dwm is not supposed to have binaries.. interesting |
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| 23:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think "fixed in squeeze" is the same as "fixed". |
| 23:50.45 | intx | how do I change xterm's default colors? |
| 23:50.48 | jhutchins_lt | If you backport the fix and it works, maybe. |
| 23:52.19 | beardy | !xdefaults |
| 23:52.19 | dpkg | hmm... xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
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| 23:54.05 | _hexguy | how can i check the available commands of the dpkg bot? |
| 23:54.11 | _hexguy | is there a list or something? |
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| 23:55.01 | beardy | intx: Maybe http://dmr.ath.cx/notes/xterm.html is helpful. One can also just make an alias setting it how you like it. |
| 23:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | _hexguy: I mostly learn by observation. |
| 23:56.06 | beardy | !your factoids |
| 23:56.06 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <search>, <help listkeys>, <help-listvals>, <opensearch> |
| 23:56.13 | _hexguy | jhutchins_lt: oh, ok. but there must be somekind of list somewhere... I don't think god created the bot and put it here just some random day |
| 23:56.30 | _hexguy | ohh thanks! |
| 23:57.03 | jhutchins_lt | _hexguy: If you're looking for actual commands (as opposed to keywords) you can /msg dpkg help |
| 23:58.15 | _hexguy | jhutchins_lt: Im looking for the keywords I think |
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| 23:58.44 | jhutchins_lt | _hexguy: That's one of the keywords I never remember. |
| 23:58.44 | _hexguy | jhutchins_lt: thank you ^^ |
| 23:59.07 | _hexguy | !keywords |
| 23:59.11 | _hexguy | no haha |
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