| 00:00.13 | zebradog | FatherTed_, rock the foundations my man! |
| 00:00.55 | zebradog | took heart of minor acquaitaince cliche |
| 00:01.27 | FatherTed_ | forgive me zebradog, for by lining bill gate's pockets, i have sinned |
| 00:01.37 | zebradog | holy, rtfm broadcasted via dpkg.. what a pound! |
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| 00:02.16 | zebradog | FatherTed_, sinning is normal. That's what science is all about.. as long as there's innovation and representation for the people.. |
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| 00:02.44 | zebradog | says down with the dirty empire |
| 00:03.51 | homie | all your tittys |
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| 00:07.42 | gnude | hallo, ich such jemand der sich mit ftp auskennt |
| 00:08.22 | FatherTed_ | guten abent, gnude |
| 00:08.50 | zebradog | ducks from da salutos |
| 00:09.03 | zebradog | i don't know what language that is.. but it's scarying me |
| 00:09.08 | gnude | hi fatherted |
| 00:09.10 | gnude | nabend |
| 00:09.32 | gnude | fatherted_: besser englisch, das alle mitlesen können? |
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| 00:10.00 | jhutchins_lt | !de |
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| 00:10.00 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 00:10.16 | FatherTed_ | nicht sprechen sie deutch |
| 00:10.33 | FatherTed_ | :) |
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| 00:10.52 | jhutchins_lt | Wir sprechen kein deutsch heir. |
| 00:11.18 | jhutchins_lt | THat's properly not correctly ordered. |
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| 00:14.03 | gnude | hello, oh in debian.de is nobody anymore because this i am here. |
| 00:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | probably. |
| 00:14.34 | gnude | i want to connect to an ftp server through a proxy. my first idea was curlftpfs. but i get noch connect to the destination ftp. |
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| 00:15.33 | tharkun | gnude: try #debian.de in irc.oftc.net lots of people there |
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| 00:16.20 | lithium | hey does anyone know what would cause passive broken pip errors on a server? |
| 00:16.25 | lithium | pipe* |
| 00:16.37 | lithium | even /proc/2/cwd is |
| 00:16.39 | tharkun | !anyone |
| 00:16.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 00:17.05 | lithium | sorry, I'm new here |
| 00:17.12 | tharkun | !ask |
| 00:17.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:22.03 | tpocra | I just changed my motherboard and now GRUB 2 cannot find my kernel... would my UUID have changed? |
| 00:22.26 | tpocra | I have the kernels on /dev/sda1 in /boot partition, and my root is encrypted LVM with the volume group being /dev/sda2 |
| 00:22.48 | tpocra | And it cannot find the volume group at all |
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| 00:23.36 | tpocra | cryptsetup: lvm device name (/dev/sda2) does not begin with /dev/mapper/ or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev/ -r ALTER! /dev/sda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 00:25.19 | jhutchins_lt | tpocra: uuid would not have changed. Does grub2 use uuid? |
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| 00:26.02 | steve | hey guys |
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| 00:26.28 | steve | i'm looking to download just the kernel deb for debian 5 - anyone know where I can find it as a download rather than via dpkg/apt/etc? |
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| 00:29.05 | FatherTed_ | gn & gb |
| 00:29.11 | jordanm | steve: packages.debian.org |
| 00:33.59 | zebradog | steve, why? |
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| 00:34.36 | p3rror | hello |
| 00:34.52 | p3rror | please is there any tool to create a *.pc file automatically |
| 00:35.30 | steve | jordanm: do you know what the kernel is called? tried searching for kernel - juts comes back with loads of nvidia results? |
| 00:35.37 | steve | zebradog: old version of debian - no e1000e support |
| 00:36.30 | jhutchins_lt | steve: linnux-image-i386, but you're headed for serious trouble. |
| 00:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | p3rror: wtf is a *.pc file? |
| 00:37.16 | zebradog | steve, does the kernel support gigabit? maybe it's easier to compile e1000e module |
| 00:37.47 | tharkun | p3rror: touch johny.pc |
| 00:37.50 | zebradog | p3rror, is that supposed to be a windows-OS text file? |
| 00:38.03 | zebradog | nm |
| 00:38.04 | steve | jhutchins_lt: why trouble? |
| 00:38.34 | jhutchins_lt | steve: If you really have a pre-e1000 kernel then you have a lot of other things on the system that aren't going to work with a new kernel. |
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| 00:38.41 | jhutchins_lt | steve: What kernel/relase are you on? |
| 00:38.43 | p3rror | tharkun, jhutchins_lt, i need to add a package to pkg_config list |
| 00:38.45 | jhutchins_lt | release. |
| 00:39.35 | jhutchins_lt | p3rror: The less you tell us about what you're trying to do, the less we're going to be able to help you, and the less interested we're going to be. We do this for fun. |
| 00:39.56 | tharkun | knocks on the wall, he just shuted down a server which he has no phisical access |
| 00:40.22 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, sure |
| 00:41.27 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, well i'm building an application and when i do a configure i got a message telling me that sqlite does not existe in gpk-config path |
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| 00:41.52 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, in the fact i've checked the pkg-config path i see that it miss sqlite3.pc |
| 00:42.32 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, so i decided to build this file and if there are any binary that can do the job for me i'll be very glad |
| 00:43.28 | jhutchins_lt | p3rror: aptitude install build-depends <package> - are you using debian sources? |
| 00:43.46 | neosmatrix | hi, I sometimes get the error message: "Modul X is in use", does an easy way exists, to see which programs are using this modul ? |
| 00:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | p3rror: I would guess that particular error means you need sqllite-dev. |
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| 00:44.32 | jhutchins_lt | neosmatrix: What are you trying to do when you get that erorr, and what module does it report? |
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| 00:45.28 | neosmatrix | jhutchins_lt: I am trying to restart alsa and the module snd-virtuoso is in use |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | neosmatrix: and what command gives that error ? |
| 00:46.03 | jhutchins_lt | neosmatrix: Good answer btw. |
| 00:46.15 | neosmatrix | #/etc/init.d/alsasound restart |
| 00:46.30 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, i don't think so please hold on i'll pastebin the warning that i've got |
| 00:46.33 | rino | !pxe |
| 00:46.34 | dpkg | [pxe] Pre-boot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <gpxe>. |
| 00:46.43 | rino | !pxelinux |
| 00:46.43 | dpkg | PXELINUX is a derivative of <SYSLINUX>, used to boot Linux from a server via a network ROM supporting <PXE>. Packaged for Debian in syslinux-common, see /usr/share/doc/syslinux/pxelinux.txt.gz. See http://syslinux.zytor.com/archives/2008-February/009391.html if "pxelinux.0M-^?" is being requested. http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Compatibility http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php See also <gpxe>, <syslinux>. |
| 00:47.25 | neosmatrix | #lsof /dev/snd* gives nothing :( |
| 00:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | rino: Unless you want the info out there for general discussion (sometimes you do) you can use /msg dpkg <factoid> so as not to clutter up the scrollbuffer. |
| 00:47.45 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.org/409898 |
| 00:47.59 | rino | thk, i did not know |
| 00:48.08 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, al i need is a .pc file builder |
| 00:48.12 | jhutchins_lt | neosmatrix: Might be in use by another module. |
| 00:48.17 | p3rror | s/al/all/ |
| 00:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | p3rror: Well, if you already know that, get ye forth and google! |
| 00:48.59 | jhutchins_lt | p3rror: You haven't told us what package you're trying to build. Is it a secret for some reason? |
| 00:49.16 | neosmatrix | jhutchins_lt: can I see the module depencies somewhere ? |
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| 00:49.28 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, =) |
| 00:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | neosmatrix: lsmod? |
| 00:49.59 | p3rror | jhutchins_lt, mysterious package |
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| 00:56.40 | jordanm | steve: linux-image-<version> |
| 00:57.51 | zebradog | p3rror, did you find your douche? apparently you need to know architecture etc etc |
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| 00:58.26 | zebradog | -_- |
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| 01:32.12 | jhutchins_lt | declares irc dead for the night. |
| 01:32.22 | simonrvn | it's dead jim |
| 01:32.35 | simonrvn | but i only had the phaser on stun! |
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| 01:35.21 | cafuego | Ugh. Fail. |
| 01:36.53 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 01:36.59 | cafuego | Lenny clamav fail |
| 01:37.15 | simonrvn | volatile |
| 01:37.25 | cafuego | !volatile |
| 01:37.25 | dpkg | Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 01:37.54 | cafuego | The good boy mx did at least queue them and not let them through :-) |
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| 01:48.12 | cafuego | lovely, thanks simonrvn |
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| 01:55.07 | zeugma | my verizon pantech usb modem is not being recognized as a tty device, cdc_acm ought to take care of this, but it isn't. any idea what the problem might be? Kernel version 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 01:55.54 | zeugma | it's being controlled by usb-storage instead... |
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| 01:59.22 | correcaminos | hello |
| 01:59.29 | correcaminos | I'm new with debian |
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| 02:00.06 | correcaminos | I'm confuse about root partition... this partition is used for...? |
| 02:00.10 | correcaminos | tks a lot!! |
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| 02:00.47 | dondelelcaro | correcaminos: it's the partition which contains all of the other partitions; it's mounted at / |
| 02:01.22 | correcaminos | hi dondelelcaro |
| 02:01.30 | correcaminos | ok |
| 02:01.58 | correcaminos | I want to install a file sharing server on debian, it better than a "guindos" jejeje |
| 02:02.04 | correcaminos | is better sorry |
| 02:02.25 | correcaminos | what is a recomment size for root? |
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| 02:02.58 | correcaminos | I'm using a separate partition for /var and /usr |
| 02:03.05 | dondelelcaro | correcaminos: depends on what other partitions you have. If you don't know, use the installer to pick recommended sizes for you |
| 02:04.10 | correcaminos | I want to use a 250Gb for file sharing, 18Gb for root and 50=var/50=usr |
| 02:04.56 | dondelelcaro | that's a lot for / and /var and /usr, but whatever works for you |
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| 02:06.12 | tpocra | I just changed my motherboard and now GRUB 2 cannot find my kernel... would my UUID have changed? |
| 02:06.15 | tpocra | I have the kernels on /dev/sda1 in /boot partition, and my root is encrypted LVM with the volume group being /dev/sda2 |
| 02:06.19 | tpocra | And it cannot find the volume group at all |
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| 02:06.24 | tpocra | cryptsetup: lvm device name (/dev/sda2) does not begin with /dev/mapper/ or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev/ -r ALTER! /dev/sda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
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| 02:09.05 | smv | tpocra, are you sure that isn't related to some cryptsetup bug? i remember seeing that long time ago. which cryptsetup do you have? i suppose you can boot of a live cd/usb and check some things can you? |
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| 02:15.39 | tpocra | smv: Do UUIDs change when the motherboard is switched? |
| 02:15.57 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 02:17.07 | smv | it has nothing to do with the UUIDs |
| 02:17.07 | tpocra | mmm |
| 02:17.07 | smv | atleast it shouldn't |
| 02:17.07 | tpocra | Okay so... why would switcing the motherboard casue this error? |
| 02:17.20 | tpocra | well initramfs prompt with Busybox does not see the HDDs in /dev/ |
| 02:17.26 | tpocra | so I cannot run blkid on them |
| 02:18.05 | smv | is the old motherboard still functional? |
| 02:18.24 | tpocra | No it is on it's way to california for an RMA |
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| 02:19.12 | smv | are you sure the drives are not damaged? |
| 02:20.21 | tpocra | Yes |
| 02:20.41 | tpocra | they are recoggnized perfectly from not only the BIOS but also in other systems inside a SATA external HDD case |
| 02:20.52 | tpocra | I think my GRUB2 settings for booting might be wrong |
| 02:20.55 | tpocra | ?? |
| 02:21.28 | smv | as long as it worked before the switch it shouldn't, unless you did something to it just before the switch |
| 02:22.13 | smv | you can mount the drives and chroot into and check |
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| 02:24.12 | Arrowmaster | tpocra: these drives are only setup with an encrypted lvm? there is no raid involved right? |
| 02:24.26 | tpocra | Arrowmaster: No RAID |
| 02:27.10 | Arrowmaster | i have no experience at all with encrypted drives but from that error you pasted it sounds like cryptsetup or lvm is detecting the partition on the drive (/dev/sda2) instead of the lvm one (one in /dev/mapper/) |
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| 02:27.38 | Arrowmaster | which i know is an issue with software raid1's sometimes |
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| 02:28.06 | Arrowmaster | or at least fakeraid1's |
| 02:29.09 | Arrowmaster | tpocra: do you see anything in /dev/mapper/? |
| 02:29.27 | smv | tpocra, mount them on the other system, cryptsetup luksOpen them, using the cipher you used when encrypted them, lvchange -ay volume_group_name, mount, and check: /etc/default/grub and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 02:30.14 | smv | Arrowmaster, he won't see anything in /dev/mapper as long as the drives are not luksOpen |
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| 02:45.58 | gnarface | hey people, so i've got a recurrance of a problem i used to have that has come back |
| 02:46.07 | gnarface | basically, at 3 points in the boot process |
| 02:46.13 | gnarface | there is an unexplained hang |
| 02:46.15 | gnarface | until i hit a key |
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| 02:46.24 | gnarface | debian squeeze |
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| 02:46.50 | gnarface | but i've seen this problem on sid as well, i think. last time i fixed it by updating a package and i can't remember the name. anyone seen this before? amd64 |
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| 02:47.16 | SpyderZ | Just researching distros right now. What are the short comings of Debian? |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | gnarface: you'd have to give us the lines where it pauses |
| 02:48.27 | gnarface | it pauses right after the firewire module |
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| 02:48.42 | gnarface | and right after my ide driver... |
| 02:48.43 | gnarface | hang on |
| 02:49.10 | gnarface | amd74xx |
| 02:49.32 | gnarface | and once more after the usb drivers are loaded, i think |
| 02:49.40 | gnarface | is that specific enough? |
| 02:49.49 | moldovean | heh |
| 02:49.53 | gnarface | no |
| 02:50.02 | gnarface | ok, hang on, i'll reboot and try to get the actual text |
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| 02:52.49 | smv | !tell SpyderZ -about why debian |
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| 02:58.25 | simonrvn | np cafuego |
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| 03:00.59 | RedSKy32 | hi weird problem, so i put libflashplayer.so in my .mozilla plugins folder and now when i try to play a video flash loads but its just a black screen not playing the video |
| 03:01.02 | RedSKy32 | any ideas why? |
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| 03:01.06 | RedSKy32 | this worked in lenny |
| 03:01.11 | RedSKy32 | i am in testing now |
| 03:02.12 | moldovean | RedSKy32, on amd64 ? |
| 03:02.19 | RedSKy32 | nope |
| 03:02.21 | RedSKy32 | intel |
| 03:02.24 | RedSKy32 | 386 |
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| 03:02.31 | RedSKy32 | really weird it worked last time |
| 03:02.44 | gnarface | ok i've got some of the lines it pauses on |
| 03:02.46 | RedSKy32 | i mean youtube loads up its just black |
| 03:02.53 | RedSKy32 | makes me wonder what the issue is |
| 03:03.26 | moldovean | RedSKy32, logout /login ? |
| 03:03.58 | RedSKy32 | tried that |
| 03:04.04 | RedSKy32 | how can i see how many fps i am getting? |
| 03:05.59 | RedSKy32 | where is the gstreamer-ffmpeg ?? |
| 03:06.04 | RedSKy32 | this looks like it could be a problem |
| 03:07.18 | gnarface | ok i've got this recurrence of an old problem with the boot pausing until i hit an enter key. it happens at several points during the boot. one such line is at " ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07" (right after "amd74xx 0000:00:06.0: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later") |
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| 03:08.17 | gnarface | it also seems to happen at "firewire_ohci: Added fw-ohci device 0000:01:0a.0, OHCI version 1.0" - however on this line it sometimes continues on it's own if i wait a while. hitting enter makes it continue immedialy though |
| 03:08.22 | gnarface | er, immediately |
| 03:08.59 | gnarface | last time this problem cropped up i fixed it by just updating some package someone told me to update and it went away for a long time. can anyone recall seeing this before and what package it is? |
| 03:09.00 | moldovean | RedSKy32, try ffmpeg |
| 03:10.53 | rfranknj | what is the correct way to set a static ip in debian |
| 03:11.17 | moldovean | RedSKy32, i'll reboot the machine |
| 03:11.56 | gnarface | rfranknj: put it in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:12.42 | rfranknj | ok, thats what i thought. whenever i do that, my network stops working correctly |
| 03:13.04 | gnarface | last time i had that problem and i was sure my syntax in interfaces was correct it turned out i had the wrong ip |
| 03:13.24 | rfranknj | i've checked it like a million times but i'll look it over again |
| 03:13.35 | gnarface | is this a public ip? or one on your LAN? |
| 03:14.37 | RedSKy32 | still a black screen |
| 03:14.45 | RedSKy32 | i only installed the gnome-core |
| 03:14.50 | RedSKy32 | should i just pull in everything? |
| 03:14.50 | RedSKy32 | hmm |
| 03:15.00 | rfranknj | gnarface: lan |
| 03:15.07 | rfranknj | it's definitely right |
| 03:15.09 | gnarface | are you also specifying the gateway? |
| 03:15.13 | rfranknj | yes |
| 03:15.18 | gnarface | and netmask? |
| 03:15.20 | rfranknj | trying to ping the gateway and it doesn't work |
| 03:15.30 | rfranknj | destination host unreachable |
| 03:15.51 | gnarface | you did an /etc/init.d/network stop then /etc/init.d/network start right? |
| 03:16.04 | RedSKy32 | this has to be the craziest thing i have ever had happen |
| 03:16.09 | RedSKy32 | flash loads up i right click its flash |
| 03:16.12 | RedSKy32 | but no video |
| 03:16.51 | rfranknj | gnarface: i did ifdown eth1; ifup eth1, but i tried that (/etc/init.d/networking) and its still not working |
| 03:16.51 | moldovean | RedSKy32, which url ? |
| 03:17.07 | gnarface | rfranknj: what's ifconfig -a say? |
| 03:17.19 | RedSKy32 | just youtube |
| 03:17.21 | RedSKy32 | this is nuts |
| 03:17.25 | RedSKy32 | i am using debian testing |
| 03:17.31 | RedSKy32 | didnt have this problem with lenny |
| 03:17.55 | rfranknj | RedSKy32: latest version of flash plugin? |
| 03:18.53 | rfranknj | RedSKy32: did you install out of the debian repo? if you enable nonfree you should be able to install it from aptitude |
| 03:19.04 | rfranknj | gnarface: sec i just rebooted it for kicks |
| 03:19.26 | gnarface | rfranknj: i've had issues where an old network config leaves stray entries and they don't go away automatically if you change the interfaces file before you stop networking. in that case a reboot should fix it |
| 03:19.52 | gnarface | or just manually killing off all the interfaces before starting up networking again should work too |
| 03:20.39 | rfranknj | ah yeah reboot fixed it |
| 03:20.56 | gnarface | so my advice |
| 03:21.04 | gnarface | is use the /etc/init.d/network script |
| 03:21.25 | gnarface | but stop BEFORE you remove any interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:21.38 | RedSKy32 | rfranknj, i just copied the stuff from adobe libflashpayer.so and put it in the plugins folder like usual |
| 03:21.40 | RedSKy32 | always worked |
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| 03:22.19 | gnarface | rfranknj: otherwise the stop script won't be able to figure out which interfaces you want stopped, then if they're already up when you start again, the new config will not be obeyd |
| 03:23.01 | RedSKy32 | this is so weird |
| 03:23.08 | RedSKy32 | its like squeeze hates flash |
| 03:23.25 | gnarface | which flash version, RedSKy32 ? |
| 03:24.02 | gnarface | i'm using squeeze on amd64 with the discontinued 64-bit flash alpha, and i don't have any issues |
| 03:24.47 | gnarface | have you done anything weird, like upgrading your video card drivers without doing a full reboot? |
| 03:25.16 | RedSKy32 | nope |
| 03:25.24 | RedSKy32 | maybe i should reboot now though |
| 03:25.32 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 03:25.41 | gnarface | it worked for rfranknj |
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| 03:26.34 | gnarface | so has anyone run into the problem where debian will pause in the middle of the boot process until you hit a key? |
| 03:27.00 | gnarface | i swear the last time i had this problem someone in here told me a simple fix |
| 03:28.18 | hesco | Trying this: mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3 yields me this: mdadm: another array by this name is already running. |
| 03:29.02 | hesco | I just used kill to terminate a previous invocation of that command, and rm -rf to lose the /etc/md0 it was creating. |
| 03:29.19 | Justin | hesco: you already have a md0. |
| 03:29.20 | Justin | uhhh |
| 03:29.29 | Justin | you mean you rm'd /dev/md0? |
| 03:29.31 | gnarface | i don't use mdadm but that sounds bad |
| 03:29.47 | gnarface | shouldn't the mdadm tool be used to remove arrays as well as create them? |
| 03:29.52 | hesco | I also have tried to use kill on a process which ps aux describes as: [md0_raid1], but it won't go away |
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| 03:30.03 | gnarface | jesus that's your kernel driver |
| 03:30.04 | hesco | I have no idea |
| 03:30.08 | gnarface | you don't take them out by killing them |
| 03:30.10 | gnarface | you modprobe -r |
| 03:30.26 | gnarface | read the man page for: modprobe, lsmod and mdadm |
| 03:30.32 | gnarface | likely that will answer all your questions |
| 03:30.42 | hesco | FATAL: Module md0_raid1 not found. |
| 03:30.46 | Justin | no, removing the modules is not going to help anything |
| 03:30.47 | gnarface | but i doubt you have to mess with modprobe or lsmod to do what you want to do |
| 03:31.06 | gnarface | mdadm should have a --destroy or --delete or --free option right? |
| 03:31.10 | Justin | it does, yes |
| 03:31.23 | gnarface | but if you manually deleted /dev/md0 first... eek |
| 03:31.32 | hesco | lsmod lists both raid0 and raid1 |
| 03:31.32 | gnarface | i wouldn't even know what to expect then |
| 03:31.43 | gnarface | hesco: forget about the modules. just read the mdadm man page |
| 03:31.49 | hesco | ok |
| 03:32.28 | gnarface | Justin: what happens if you manually delete a /dev entry for a software raid array? |
| 03:32.42 | gnarface | doesn't that like... hose it? |
| 03:33.42 | Justin | nothing that a mknod couldn't fix |
| 03:33.51 | Justin | or rather, MAKEDEV |
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| 03:35.43 | hesco | there is nothing to hose yet. These are brand new disks |
| 03:37.23 | nsadmin | gnarface: why would you do that? if you leave /dev alone, you'll be fine |
| 03:38.38 | nsadmin | gnarface: this is why I don't include rm in the list of commands a new person should learn |
| 03:39.15 | hesco | mdadm man page says: Create Create a new array with per-device superblocks.; does cfdisk do that when the drive is partitioned? |
| 03:39.32 | hesco | create superblocks, I mean |
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| 03:40.07 | nsadmin | superblocks are normally created by mkfs |
| 03:40.09 | RedSky32 | hmmm |
| 03:40.24 | RedSky32 | how can i see how many fps i am getting? |
| 03:40.28 | RedSky32 | i forget the name of the app? |
| 03:40.33 | lawnbug | is there any workaround for using flash on 64-bit squeeze? |
| 03:40.34 | RedSky32 | gl something |
| 03:40.48 | moldovean | info |
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| 03:41.07 | nsadmin | glxinfo, glxgears |
| 03:41.32 | lawnbug | how ridiculous is it that adobe hasn't released a 64-bit version yet? |
| 03:42.02 | hesco | so I need to run mkfs to create the superblocks prior to creating the array? I though I was waiting until the LVM was in place to build filesystems. |
| 03:42.17 | dondelelcaro | hesco: you don't need to run mkfs |
| 03:42.59 | RedSky32 | hmm getting 2k frames |
| 03:43.07 | dondelelcaro | hesco: create the raid array using mdadm or similar, then create the physical volumes and volume groups, then the logical volumes, then the filesystems on the logical volumes |
| 03:43.15 | dondelelcaro | (the installer does this all for you) |
| 03:43.29 | RedSky32 | 416 fps |
| 03:43.30 | RedSky32 | hmm |
| 03:43.39 | RedSky32 | i guess its ok for this old intel card |
| 03:43.43 | nsadmin | I'm just saying superblocks are not created when you create partitions, it's however the volume is formatted that creates superblocks... and creating a raid array is a form of formatting |
| 03:43.51 | dondelelcaro | hesco: the superblocks that mdadm are talking about are specific to how mdadm assembles raid arrays |
| 03:44.04 | dondelelcaro | (doesn't have anything to do with ext2 style superblocks) |
| 03:44.16 | RedSky32 | i was always a lilo user, i am scared to use grub heh |
| 03:44.39 | moldovean | RedSky32, so flash works now? |
| 03:44.40 | RedSky32 | i have a windows partition but i dont see the boot.ini file in there can i still boot it ? is that needed by grub? |
| 03:44.41 | RedSky32 | yea |
| 03:44.45 | nsadmin | you can stick with lilo, or you can try grub |
| 03:44.45 | RedSky32 | needed curl .. rofl |
| 03:44.57 | RedSky32 | ran it in debug and i guess flash player uses curl |
| 03:45.10 | nsadmin | boot.ini is not read by grub or lilo |
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| 03:46.31 | RedSky32 | ahh hmm |
| 03:46.46 | RedSky32 | still ok to use lilo? is it still updated? |
| 03:47.21 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 03:47.26 | lawnbug | yes, it is |
| 03:47.28 | nsadmin | , versions lilo |
| 03:47.28 | judd | lilo -- etch: 1:22.6.1-9.3; lenny: 1:22.8-7; sid: 1:22.8-8.1; squeeze: 1:22.8-8.1 |
| 03:47.49 | nsadmin | hmm, not from upstream |
| 03:47.56 | gnarface | nsadmin: i wouldn't. hesco was trying to delete a raid array and that's how he started |
| 03:48.15 | hesco | I used mknod to restore /dev/md0, then mdadm remove to remove it, then mdadm create to restore it, only to be told: mdadm: another array by this name is already running. |
| 03:48.15 | nsadmin | oh I see |
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| 03:48.46 | gnarface | lawnbug: utterly unacceptable. it's even MORE unacceptable that they took down the alpha 64-bit build of flash 10. |
| 03:49.09 | gnarface | i've not had any luck running the 32-bit flash in any sort of wrappers, but i've heard it's *possible* |
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| 03:49.35 | nsadmin | RedSky32: let's just say "you can still get lilo but it hasn't changed much" |
| 03:50.58 | gnarface | most people trying to use flash on 64-bit linux i think set up some sort of 32-bit chroot to start their browser from. i just keep a backup of the alpha 64-bit one and hope for brighter days.... |
| 03:51.25 | lawnbug | I couldn't successfully set up nspluginwrapper either... I got the 64-bit build from another website.. it worked for a day, then stopped working. |
| 03:51.47 | gnarface | lawnbug: yuck. mine still works, for now |
| 03:52.04 | lawnbug | maybe it's a different build |
| 03:52.29 | gnarface | possibly. i could send you a copy if you want |
| 03:53.01 | gnarface | iceweasel reports mine as Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 |
| 03:53.51 | lawnbug | hm.. I'm using minefield 64-bits |
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| 03:53.56 | lawnbug | the nightly builds lol |
| 03:54.03 | lawnbug | you know, 'cause I care. |
| 03:54.17 | gnarface | adobe claims the alpha flash 10 has security vulns |
| 03:54.22 | lawnbug | thanks.. i found another one here that works |
| 03:54.35 | lawnbug | r45 |
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| 03:54.45 | gnarface | doesn't explain why they didn't release a new one, or why they won't release a ppc build either |
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| 03:55.01 | lawnbug | they say they will in the future |
| 03:55.12 | gnarface | my analysis of the delay is that it's because they're jerks. |
| 03:55.12 | jawee | how do I "put" a directory at a time using the sftp command? I don't see anything in the man page |
| 03:55.19 | nsadmin | ppc is kinda dead in the water these days |
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| 03:55.38 | gnarface | jawee: mput maybe? |
| 03:55.46 | gnarface | mput -r? |
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| 03:56.05 | jawee | gnarface: nope. non-regular file error for the directory then -r is an invalid flag =\ |
| 03:56.13 | lawnbug | I can see why they'd pull it... but they could've just said: "hey, use at your own risk", and then buried it in some of their developers pages so normal users wouldn't get it by accident.. like mozilla does with its nightly builds |
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| 03:57.01 | RedSky32 | nsadmin, yea i think i want to use it hmm no issue with grub but lilo always worked good for me |
| 03:57.05 | gnarface | jawee: i just use scp :-/ |
| 03:57.14 | jawee | gnarface: is that a cli app? |
| 03:57.23 | gnarface | scp? yea |
| 03:57.41 | gnarface | sftp should just be a wrapper/subset of scp's functionality |
| 03:57.41 | jawee | I'll give it a try then. I'm not familar with sftp anyway. I just need something with a cli. thanks. |
| 03:57.44 | nsadmin | if you can use scp you should also be able to use sftp |
| 03:58.20 | gnarface | scp -r [directory name] should work |
| 03:58.31 | jawee | alright. thanks! |
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| 03:59.19 | linux2 | hi, I just finished installing a fresh install of debian squeeze. For some reason I have no sound in flash player, but do in all other applications. Any ideas? |
| 03:59.29 | gnarface | more specifically, scp -r [directory name] [username]@[target host]:[target directory] |
| 03:59.37 | linux2 | I had this problem on another machine recently and I did get it to work, but I don't remember exactly what I did. |
| 04:00.14 | jawee | gnarface: thank you so much! that did it |
| 04:00.20 | jawee | and happy Wednesday to eastern folks |
| 04:00.20 | lawnbug | do you have sound in other applets and plugins in your browser, linux2? |
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| 04:01.16 | linux2 | lawnbug, I actually don't have any other plugins in my browser so I wouldn't know. From past experience, including my other machine that had the same issue, it was a flash only problem. |
| 04:01.23 | nsadmin | linux2: evidently the problem is the flash player |
| 04:01.33 | gnarface | linux2: usually this is because your sound card driver isn't doing soft-muxing and your audio hardware isn't capable of hardware-muxing. some people have better luck with working around this with dmix in alsa, some people have better luck with oss. often it's another program, or your desktop that's actually tying up the soundcard first |
| 04:01.37 | lawnbug | maybe it's trying to use oss... you could try installing alsa-oss |
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| 04:02.59 | linux2 | gnarface, yeah, but in the case of my desktop, it worked fine before reinstalling squeeze. So I suspect this laptop has the same issue. It did have something to do with modules and oss if I remember. I am using kde4 if that helps. |
| 04:03.13 | linux2 | I am using kde4 on both machines |
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| 04:03.55 | gnarface | linux2: sometimes pulseaudio or esd get in the way too - although they're both supposed to be all about soft-muxing |
| 04:04.09 | gnarface | but i'd try first, disabling all kde4 sound |
| 04:04.14 | linux2 | lawnbug, humm... already tried installing alsa-oss, didn't seem to help |
| 04:04.17 | gnarface | then closing any audio players/games |
| 04:04.27 | gnarface | then closing and re-opening your browser |
| 04:04.45 | lawnbug | hm... it's hard to guess like that.. |
| 04:04.48 | gnarface | (dunno about kde4, you may have to restart to get it to release the soundcard) |
| 04:05.04 | lawnbug | that's happened to me a few times... but rebooting solved it. |
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| 04:05.25 | gnarface | sometimes an audio player will hang the driver and not release it on close too |
| 04:05.39 | lawnbug | yes, that's true |
| 04:05.49 | linux2 | ok, let me give that a try |
| 04:05.51 | linux2 | hang on one sec |
| 04:05.56 | lawnbug | sometimes it's also a permission thing |
| 04:05.57 | gnarface | i start by 1) removing esd and pulse audio 2) removing oss but installing alsa and alsa-oss and related stuff, but your mileage may vary |
| 04:05.58 | Archaeopteryx | Hi, what options do I have for remote desktop to debian with a new session? Like I want to just be able to leave my computer on but not logged in. What packages are available to do this? |
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| 04:06.55 | lawnbug | open the browser from a terminal and see what warnings it gives when you try playing audio from flash |
| 04:07.00 | gnarface | linux2: yea also make sure your user is in the audio group |
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| 04:07.55 | linux2 | gnarface, yep, in the audio group |
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| 04:10.13 | linux2 | brb, going to reboot and see what I end up with |
| 04:10.26 | RedSky32 | cfdisk shows /dev/sda as my drive but when i do /dev/sda<tab> i dont see anything |
| 04:10.28 | RedSky32 | there is no sda |
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| 04:11.40 | lawnbug | =O |
| 04:13.58 | RedSky32 | hmmm all this linux experience and i still dotn know why this is happening |
| 04:14.20 | compaq | does these irc channels use a lot of bandwidth? |
| 04:14.39 | compaq | like say I idle in this channel for 10hr, would it be less than 10mb? |
| 04:14.54 | RedSky32 | do i need to change my windows partition to primary to boot? |
| 04:14.57 | RedSky32 | its logic right now |
| 04:14.59 | RedSky32 | logical* |
| 04:15.55 | lawnbug | it uses quite a bit between servers... not so much for users, though it depends on the volume of messages |
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| 04:17.13 | linux2 | ok, I got it. after installing alsa-oss and rebooting it works great |
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| 04:17.34 | linux2 | also note that pcm has to be turned up for sound in flash, while in other apps it doesn't have to be. |
| 04:19.21 | RedSky32 | where is the menu.lst on debian? |
| 04:19.34 | acrocycle | grub? |
| 04:19.39 | RedSky32 | yea |
| 04:19.47 | RedSky32 | always in /boot/grub every other time |
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| 04:20.06 | acrocycle | On squeeze, it is /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 04:20.12 | acrocycle | i think... something to that effect |
| 04:20.36 | acrocycle | gurb.cfg |
| 04:20.42 | linux2 | shouldn't you edit /etc/default/grub (or whatever it is) and then run grub-update |
| 04:20.42 | acrocycle | grub.cfg* |
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| 04:21.22 | RedSky32 | i want to add menu entries |
| 04:21.31 | acrocycle | That would probably be the best thing to do. but sometimes you have to do it manually. |
| 04:21.36 | RedSky32 | i always did that with a menu.lst file before and that .cfg looks different |
| 04:21.47 | acrocycle | /etc/default/grub just configures settings not the list. |
| 04:22.19 | acrocycle | hmmm. I used to use the menu.lst too but it isn't there anymore... I just found out today when I was editing some settings. |
| 04:22.41 | acrocycle | the grub.cfg looked like it was similar to the menu.lst but more detailed. |
| 04:22.46 | RedSky32 | hmmm |
| 04:23.28 | acrocycle | I wasn't trying to change too much, just simple settings. So I didn't look too long. Just found a little info on Google. |
| 04:24.04 | moldovean | RedSky32, os-prober is installed ? |
| 04:24.51 | RedSky32 | i dont know anything about grub right now moldovean |
| 04:25.00 | RedSky32 | just trying to add my windows partition so i can boot |
| 04:25.15 | RedSky32 | i see where the entries are added now |
| 04:25.19 | RedSky32 | a bit more detailed then before |
| 04:25.22 | moldovean | dpkg -l os-prober | grep ii |
| 04:25.22 | dpkg | ii os-prober | grep ii 3.8-2 moldovean's private stamp collection |
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| 04:26.00 | RedSky32 | what is this moldovean ? |
| 04:26.03 | RedSky32 | something you made? |
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| 04:26.24 | moldovean | test windows partitions |
| 04:26.34 | RedSky32 | you make this? |
| 04:26.39 | moldovean | nooo |
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| 04:28.21 | RedSky32 | ok i see i already have it |
| 04:28.22 | RedSky32 | hmm |
| 04:28.39 | RedSky32 | how does this work moldovean ? i ran it but it didnt really do anything |
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| 04:29.01 | moldovean | use update-grub |
| 04:29.17 | RedSky32 | after i run tht? |
| 04:29.35 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.59 | RedSky32 | Found background image: moreblue-orbit-grub.png |
| 04:29.59 | RedSky32 | Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 04:29.59 | RedSky32 | Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 04:29.59 | RedSky32 | done |
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| 04:30.08 | RedSky32 | blah |
| 04:30.16 | RedSky32 | looks like it did not find the linux |
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| 04:30.19 | RedSky32 | windows* |
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| 04:32.06 | acrocycle | Anyone out there know how to configure a LBPS/2 touchscreen in Sqeeze? |
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| 04:34.27 | acrocycle | Anyone know anything about tslib and how to configure it? Its already installed on Squeeze. |
| 04:34.34 | acrocycle | ..at least for meit was. |
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| 04:36.58 | moldovean | RedSky32, ask in #grub about who to add windows to grub |
| 04:37.00 | Taev | Im having a problem where if im watching a video, doesn't matter what player, and another application makes a sound. I loose the audio on the video, its happened on 2 separate accounts both on KDE and GNOME, Im getting strange errors in the syslog and user.log |
| 04:37.08 | Taev | a lot of pulseaudio[1919]: ratelimit.c: 22 events suppressed |
| 04:37.38 | Taev | pulseaudio[1919]: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! |
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| 04:39.31 | moldovean | s/ who / how |
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| 04:42.02 | acrocycle | !tslib |
| 04:42.08 | acrocycle | !help |
| 04:42.18 | acrocycle | dang... cannot remember how to use this bot |
| 04:43.26 | moldovean | !factoids |
| 04:43.27 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <search>, <help listkeys>, <help-listvals>, <opensearch> |
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| 04:43.35 | acrocycle | thanks |
| 04:43.40 | moldovean | listkeys tslib |
| 04:43.46 | nsadmin | acrocycle what are you looking for |
| 04:44.05 | acrocycle | trying to find out how to configure tslib... was hoping it would help maybe seeing what dpkg said. |
| 04:44.40 | nsadmin | it's a lib package? |
| 04:45.09 | nsadmin | that is a package containing libraries that are linked to compiled programs? |
| 04:45.23 | acrocycle | apparently... but from what I am seeing is that it is configurable |
| 04:46.16 | nsadmin | usually sources will have a configure script which is run before you build |
| 04:47.04 | nsadmin | I'm not sure how a library would be configured... normally the calling program will make a library call to set parameters |
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| 04:47.59 | acrocycle | okay... I havne't been able to find much helpful info... it's been very confusing becase I cannot get Xorg -configure to give me an xorg.conf file. |
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| 04:48.20 | nsadmin | try X -configure |
| 04:48.21 | Taev | alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. |
| 04:48.27 | acrocycle | it gives me an error. |
| 04:48.33 | Taev | ratelimit.c: 235 events suppressed |
| 04:48.44 | Taev | thats what i keep getting in var/log/user.log |
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| 04:50.02 | hello | hello |
| 04:50.12 | acrocycle | Here is a pastebin of the error. |
| 04:50.18 | nsadmin | nsadmin |
| 04:50.29 | hello | what is best mail server and ftp server for debian |
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| 04:50.42 | acrocycle | http://pastebin.com/TNSC3ji7 |
| 04:50.46 | nsadmin | you really do not want to use authenticated ftp |
| 04:50.54 | ExtremeDpup | How do i black-list (block) a package so it doesn't get installed in apt-get? |
| 04:51.32 | nsadmin | exim is the default MTA these days, no idea what is "best" or even what "best" means |
| 04:52.01 | DogBoy | what does best mean anyway |
| 04:52.07 | DogBoy | what is your criteria |
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| 04:52.18 | alyur | best for what? |
| 04:52.21 | hello | haha,newest technology |
| 04:52.26 | hello | safe |
| 04:52.39 | ExtremeDpup | When i download applications with apt-get, I want to stop x11-common from installing..How to block it, or remove it from the dependancy list? |
| 04:53.12 | DogBoy | can you give me a specific answer to my vague question |
| 04:54.07 | nsadmin | newest is not necessarily best |
| 04:54.12 | hello | : 0 |
| 04:54.19 | lindi- | ExtremeDpup: what package? |
| 04:54.19 | nsadmin | safe IS NOT ftp |
| 04:54.23 | hello | yes sure |
| 04:54.37 | hello | ftpd-ssl ? |
| 04:54.50 | hello | i ned to upload some php files to webserver, |
| 04:55.00 | nsadmin | you could use scp |
| 04:55.24 | nsadmin | if sshd is running on the server |
| 04:55.25 | ExtremeDpup | x11-common must be part of the base debian packages that installs automatically with many applications. I want to stop x11-common from installing. |
| 04:55.45 | hello | i guess sshd is running than how t ? |
| 04:55.56 | ExtremeDpup | Its for a project i'm working on..i don't want x11-common because it crashes the x-server. |
| 04:56.30 | nsadmin | I don't think you can have x server and especially x clients without that |
| 04:56.50 | ExtremeDpup | I already have an x server, so i don't want the additional x11-common installed. |
| 04:56.59 | hello | okay scp |
| 04:57.09 | ianwizard | I'm trying to run a script in chroot on an ARM device, I'm using busybox chroot, but within the chroot I don't have any commands (ls, cat, anything). Does any body know what this might be? (P.S. the script is debootstrap) |
| 04:57.19 | hello | my mind is lie tubelight ,not lightning fast |
| 04:57.20 | hello | hehe |
| 04:57.31 | nsadmin | hello: scp file.php username@site.com:/dir/on/server/ |
| 04:58.01 | nsadmin | tubelight? |
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| 04:58.25 | hello | thank s |
| 04:58.39 | hello | hehe tubelight ,like it start with blinks |
| 04:58.44 | hello | and again blink |
| 04:58.57 | hello | not like buld switch on its on |
| 04:58.58 | hello | jee |
| 04:59.00 | hello | hehe |
| 04:59.05 | DogBoy | ianwizard, you have buzybox in the chroot |
| 04:59.08 | hello | bulb* |
| 04:59.14 | ExtremeDpup | Any idea where the apt-get update package lists are stored? |
| 04:59.25 | KB1JWQ | Under /var/ |
| 04:59.38 | hello | var/apt/cache? |
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| 05:00.02 | lindi- | ExtremeDpup: where is the bug report for x crash? |
| 05:00.35 | ianwizard | I have busybox on the device, and the command I am using is 'busybox chroot /path/to/chroot/ /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage' |
| 05:00.44 | ExtremeDpup | This is not for debian, it's for dpup linux, i'm trying to get apt working without x11-common installing. |
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| 05:00.58 | ianwizard | I'm using busybox because I can't get real chroot to run on the device. |
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| 05:01.26 | ExtremeDpup | I decided to ask here because i assumed someone might understand the workings of apt. |
| 05:01.33 | moldovean | ianwizard, try #debian-arm or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:01.35 | ExtremeDpup | how to black list a package.. |
| 05:01.48 | acrocycle | Anyone know what app to run to configure a touchscreeen in Squeeze... it looks like it has already been kind of configured. |
| 05:01.53 | ianwizard | moldovean: thx! :D |
| 05:02.02 | moldovean | np |
| 05:02.04 | DogBoy | what device is that ianwizard |
| 05:02.32 | ianwizard | it an Evo 4G |
| 05:02.52 | ExtremeDpup | thanks anyway..i'll look in /var for the package lists. |
| 05:02.57 | ExtremeDpup | bye. |
| 05:03.02 | ianwizard | rooted, and busybox put on it, (and bash) but I just can't get chroot to work |
| 05:03.16 | Crypticfortune | is there a relatively painless way to install debian from debian without booting the debian installer? (ie: booted debian remotely over NFS, but want to install to hard disk without fiddling with keyboards/monitors) |
| 05:03.25 | ianwizard | it's in the same dir, and same perms as busybox and bash, but it's not found when I try to run it. |
| 05:03.32 | DogBoy | you're trying to install debian on your phone ianwizard? |
| 05:03.46 | ianwizard | yes, it was done with the Nexus One. |
| 05:04.02 | DogBoy | why bother |
| 05:04.09 | ianwizard | quite successfully too. I'm just trying to do that on the Evo |
| 05:04.15 | DogBoy | I have rooted g1 myself |
| 05:05.12 | metrix | I am trying to profile make to see what is taking the most time during compile. is there a command similar to time that will tell me what subprocesses were kicked off, and the total time that they were used? |
| 05:05.30 | ianwizard | DogBoy: because I can. (Isn't that why we do most things with linux?) And besides, I wanted to try working out a custom OS, and try it instead of Android. Easier than trying to get something like OpenMoko running on it. |
| 05:05.50 | gnarface | Crypticfortune: you can install debian into a chroot with debootstrap |
| 05:06.19 | gnarface | Crypticfortune: but you'll have to then do the boot loader config manually, if you want the system to be bootable afterwards |
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| 05:06.58 | Crypticfortune | gnarface: ya that's the part I was hoping to make more painless. ah well. |
| 05:07.50 | gnarface | Crypticfortune: you might have luck with grub2 |
| 05:08.04 | gnarface | it can often generate a useable boot configuration by default |
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| 05:09.17 | Crypticfortune | gnarface: i'll give it a shot. worst case scenario i pull out a monitor and keyboard... |
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| 05:12.48 | nsadmin | maybe you should just do that |
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| 05:15.17 | RedSky32 | man i am all messed up |
| 05:15.18 | RedSky32 | blah |
| 05:15.28 | moldovean | RedSky32, ask in #grub about who to add windows to grub |
| 05:15.39 | moldovean | how* |
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| 05:19.02 | gnarface | RedSky32: sounds like if you can't find the grub config you're looking for in /boot/grub then it's because you must be using grub2 which now has some sort of modular/autogenerated configs in /etc somewhere |
| 05:19.20 | gnarface | totally different format |
| 05:19.29 | gnarface | threw me for a loop too |
| 05:19.54 | RedSky32 | my ntfs partition is a logical partition, can i still boot it even though its not primary? |
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| 05:20.32 | gnarface | as far as i know, if it's still in your partition table, (and flagged as bootable) it should be bootable |
| 05:20.49 | RedSky32 | its flagged as bootable |
| 05:21.02 | gnarface | and by logical you don't mean like, an LVM volume, right? |
| 05:21.05 | gnarface | it's still a partition |
| 05:21.11 | RedSky32 | is there any auto config for grub that might catch somethng im not ? |
| 05:21.12 | gnarface | ? |
| 05:21.16 | RedSky32 | its still a partition yes |
| 05:21.20 | RedSky32 | just not primary |
| 05:21.35 | gnarface | there is an auto-config for grub but i've never tried it on non-linux partitions |
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| 05:21.59 | gnarface | i'd be surprised if it even pays attention to them but that doesn't mean it won't |
| 05:22.07 | RedSky32 | hmm |
| 05:22.22 | RedSky32 | i can't find the windows cd either so im sorta sol right now |
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| 05:23.52 | gnarface | there should be a way to do it but you might need to mess with chainloading |
| 05:23.54 | DogBoy | sounds lucky to me |
| 05:24.17 | nsadmin | bootable flag is read by a little program on MBRs |
| 05:24.34 | RedSky32 | i should have waited until my work was done to start messing with this |
| 05:25.06 | RedSky32 | i cant even find my drive lol |
| 05:25.17 | RedSky32 | /dev/sda or /dev/hda does not exist from the terminal |
| 05:25.21 | RedSky32 | cfdisk says its sda though |
| 05:25.40 | gnarface | from the grub terminal you mean? |
| 05:25.52 | RedSky32 | from my gnome term |
| 05:26.15 | gnarface | grub often works better if you refer to the drives by grub names |
| 05:26.24 | gnarface | something like (hd0) |
| 05:26.33 | nsadmin | when you boot, does grub2 have a shell you get to if there's no grub config yet? |
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| 05:26.48 | ianwizard | does anyone know what a default $PATH would look like for a base debian? |
| 05:26.51 | ianwizard | just off hand? |
| 05:27.07 | gnarface | ianwizard: probably /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 05:27.21 | gnarface | maybe minus /usr/games if you don't have any games installed |
| 05:27.28 | RedSky32 | but its like where are these drives |
| 05:27.35 | RedSky32 | is /dev all different in squeeze? |
| 05:27.58 | nsadmin | udev is probably different |
| 05:28.00 | gnarface | RedSky32: you sure you got udev installed? you should see them as /dev/sd* and /dev/hd* if they're there |
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| 05:28.09 | ianwizard | ok, thanks gnarface :) |
| 05:28.11 | gnarface | udev should make them automatically |
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| 05:28.32 | RedSky32 | i dont |
| 05:28.45 | gnarface | ianwizard: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin if you're root |
| 05:28.56 | gnarface | RedSky32: install udev |
| 05:29.10 | RedSky32 | shm/ snd/ root@debian:/home/user# /dev/s |
| 05:29.13 | RedSky32 | with su'd of course |
| 05:29.37 | Crypticfortune | gnarface, nsadmin: hey, success! debootstrap + grub worked pretty well ^^ |
| 05:29.38 | RedSky32 | udev already installed |
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| 05:29.53 | gnarface | Crypticfortune: grats! |
| 05:29.59 | nsadmin | Crypticfortune: cool :) |
| 05:30.35 | Crypticfortune | except that i, like an idiot, forgot to create any user accounts, so it's keyboard time *^^* |
| 05:30.38 | ianwizard | gnarface: thanks some more ;) |
| 05:31.09 | nsadmin | yeah probably you can't ssh in as root by default |
| 05:31.38 | gnarface | in lenny you could, but i think they finally made that not the default in unstable |
| 05:32.32 | RedSky32 | i feel powerless right now, slackware since 98 and programming everyday since 2002 for my job and i feel like an idiot |
| 05:33.33 | gnarface | RedSky32: does this look relevant? http://blogs.koolwal.net/2008/12/28/windows-xpvista-dual-boot-does-not-boot-from-grub2-or-grub-pc/ |
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| 06:19.08 | Archaeopteryx | I am trying to ssh X11 forward from my debian to windows and display using XMing. I was successful in getting a whole desktop showing but it would only work if I used sudo gnome-session. If I use gnome-session it does not work. Any help? Maybe some steps in the right direction... |
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| 06:22.17 | NginUS | In lenny, I want to give a KVM machine direct access to a mounted directory to use as a disk inside the machine, but only want it to have 500G of 1.7T. Looks like quotas aren't the right solution. Ideas? |
| 06:23.09 | gnarface | Archaeopteryx: why would you want to do that? if you're X11 forwarding, just forward the indvidual programs you are running. if for some reason you need the whole desktop, use VNC instead of ssh forwarding |
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| 06:23.40 | NginUS | Archaeopteryx: The first thing that comes to mind to me is the fact that the foo-dm, ie. kdm, gdm, lxdm, xdm login managers all want to run as root, as defined in their own configurations. I think I've modded xdm's to let users start it before. |
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| 06:24.03 | NginUS | No, wait- It was to let root login, sorry |
| 06:24.13 | NginUS | N/M |
| 06:24.36 | gnarface | NginUS, Archaeopteryx i'm pretty sure you're right, NginUS. I'm pretty sure most those desktop managers won't run as a user other than root. |
| 06:24.55 | Archaeopteryx | gnarface: well, I had vino as part of the default installation before and I've changed things so now I was trying to go with ssh and x11 forwarding to see how it works for me. I can get individual programs to work but having an individual desktop is really nice too :) |
| 06:25.21 | gnarface | Archaeopteryx: then i recommend VNC. tunnel it over ssh if you're paranoid. |
| 06:25.25 | Archaeopteryx | gnarface: My whole goal was to have something like vino but didn't require me to leave a session loggin in |
| 06:25.32 | NginUS | I never figured out vnc- it looks easy, but never turned out to be, lol |
| 06:25.48 | gnarface | NginUS: it's easy but the docs suck. |
| 06:25.49 | Archaeopteryx | gnarface: logged* |
| 06:26.01 | NginUS | such is life.... |
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| 06:26.43 | gnarface | Archaeopteryx: never used vino but VNC is nice because it'll work on most operating systems. |
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| 06:27.19 | Archaeopteryx | gnarface: I think vino is a VNC server |
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| 06:28.19 | gnarface | NginUS: about your other question... what about LVM volumes or something like that? or maybe even loopback mounted disk images? |
| 06:28.28 | gnarface | never needed to do that |
| 06:28.35 | gnarface | i would have just repartitioned |
| 06:30.48 | gnarface | i was also under the impression that some filesystems (xfs maybe?) have good, useable quota features. i might be wrong about that. never used them either |
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| 06:33.30 | NginUS | It's the use of images that I'm trying to avoid. I saw a post about an experiment where openfiler in a KVM corrupted an entire disk image over a power-pull reset during write, so I'm trying direct-access instead. |
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| 06:34.06 | gnarface | what was the filesystem the disk image was using? |
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| 06:34.15 | gnarface | LVM may be the way to go |
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| 06:35.15 | solar_sea | how do I restore a configuration file from a package to it's default ? |
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| 06:35.21 | NginUS | Plus, when I give OF fully virtualized IDE disks to work with they're horribly slow, so D-A will help with that, too. I dunno about the filesystem, likely xfs or ext3, since that's what it uses- in LVM, I'll add. But they're all still in the qemu raw image. |
| 06:36.17 | NginUS | solar_sea : reinstall maybe? |
| 06:36.27 | gnarface | hmm. there should be an option for dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:36.27 | streuner | solar_sea: options reinstall plus purge? |
| 06:36.27 | NginUS | purge, then reinstall? |
| 06:37.04 | gnarface | yea, or purge then re-install. some stuff won't overwrite your configs by default if you edited them by hand after install though, right? |
| 06:37.33 | solar_sea | NginUS, streuner I've tried apt-get --reinstall install package, but the file isn't there |
| 06:37.43 | solar_sea | how can I check which package provides the asound.conf in /etc ? |
| 06:38.00 | NginUS | I used to know that one. |
| 06:38.05 | NginUS | sorry |
| 06:38.10 | streuner | !find asound.conf |
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| 06:38.16 | NginUS | lol |
| 06:38.24 | gnarface | dpkg -S [filename] |
| 06:38.24 | dpkg | Package: [filename]: Status: install ok installed |
| 06:38.43 | streuner | apt-file search asound.conf would help too |
| 06:38.54 | solar_sea | I see, thanks everyone :) |
| 06:38.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'asound.conf' (2): (/etc/asound.conf) in misc/debian-edu-config ;; (/usr/share/doc/libasound2-plugins/examples/{asound.conf_jack|asound.conf_oss}) in libs/libasound2-plugins. |
| 06:39.06 | gnarface | i don't think dpkg -S will list stuff that's put there by a post-install script, just package components |
| 06:39.13 | lost_soul | anyone have any idea when squeeze will be out of testing phase? |
| 06:39.21 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 06:39.21 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 06:39.41 | NginUS | lost_soul : I approved that last week, I don't see what the holdup is...lol |
| 06:39.43 | lost_soul | dondelelcaro: ty |
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| 06:40.03 | lost_soul | NginUS: lol |
| 06:40.42 | NginUS | I wonder if there's a room where storage gurus hang out, maybe #lvm |
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| 06:41.11 | NginUS | whoa, there _is_ a #lvm, nice. |
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| 06:42.04 | lost_soul | I've tried to install debian, most large forks of it, slackware, fedora.. Keep getting the same error time and time again.. Google shows quite a few others also get it. ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7 is the error.. Desperately hoping it will be resolved in squeeze. |
| 06:42.39 | Arrowmaster | that doesnt look like an error |
| 06:42.51 | jelly-home | lost_soul: that's not the complete error message, context is important |
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| 06:43.27 | streuner | solar_sea: /msg dpkg search - btw |
| 06:43.29 | kenjy | how can I create virtual wireless interfaces? something like: ifconfig eth0:0 up ??? |
| 06:43.43 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: same way you do for any other kind of network interface |
| 06:43.52 | lost_soul | jelly-home: the second line isn't much more help.. init 0000:00:1d.7 fail -110 |
| 06:43.58 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: though you can also just assign more ip addresses; you don't need virtual interfaces. |
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| 06:44.19 | lost_soul | http://www.google.com/search?q=solved+ehci_hcd+0000:00:1d.7&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=n0n&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=df&ei=yZFGTKPwA8T68Aa-t_HqCA&start=10&sa=N |
| 06:44.22 | jelly-home | lost_soul: pastebin at least some 20-100 lines from /var/log/kern.log and describe what doesn't work |
| 06:44.24 | lost_soul | tons of hits on it |
| 06:44.45 | Arrowmaster | lost_soul: that 0000:00:1d.7 is not an error number, that -110 might be though |
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| 06:45.26 | jelly-home | 0000:00:1d.7 looks like a pci bus address |
| 06:45.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 06:45.41 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: I wan't to create a a virtual wireless interface because wlan0 will have internet and wlan0:0 will be the gateway for a group of computers |
| 06:45.42 | jelly-home | 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) |
| 06:45.55 | lost_soul | it's enhanced host controller interface.. all issues reguarding usb |
| 06:46.13 | lost_soul | my usb keyboard will work, nothing else usb will though |
| 06:46.51 | jelly-home | lost_soul: lspci -nn -s 00:1d.7 |
| 06:47.29 | jelly-home | lost_soul: also, uname -r |
| 06:47.40 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: doesn't matter; you just add another ip, ala ip addr add 1.2.3.4/32 dev wlan0; or simlar |
| 06:47.56 | jelly-home | lost_soul: in fact, pastebin the whole lspci -nn |
| 06:48.26 | lost_soul | jelly-home: I will write those down and perform the commands tomorrow morning, I finally tried openbsd on it and am on that now but will do a reinstall with debian tomorrow again |
| 06:48.34 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: yes but what happen If I do something like iwconfig wlan0:1 essid myessid key 5555555555 |
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| 06:48.43 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: it don't join the ap |
| 06:49.00 | lost_soul | was at this the entire day, thanks for the answers, will write them down so I know the info you'll need |
| 06:49.33 | jelly-home | lost_soul: you can have multiple OSes installed if you have enough disk space |
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| 06:49.41 | gnarface | lost_soul: just making a guess in the dark here. maybe you're using ehci when you should use uhci? |
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| 06:51.11 | jelly-home | gnarface: ehci_hcd is _the_ driver for usb 2.0 hosts; it gets loaded in addition to the legacy usb 1.x driver (which may be uhci); none of this is done manually in recent Debian releases |
| 06:51.16 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: look, the issue its this, my computer have internet trough a wifi AP, I want to share that conecection with a group of computers ussing the same wireless card, I know that its possible to create virtual interfaces with madwifi but my atheros card uses the driver ath5k |
| 06:51.24 | lost_soul | gnarface: the bios shows uhci for usb 1.1 compliance, ehci for usb 2 I didn't change anything, just default installs |
| 06:51.35 | gnarface | woops i was thinking of uhci vs ohci, wasn't i? |
| 06:51.57 | lost_soul | actually, screw it.. will be back in like 35 minutes or so, will do the reinstall now |
| 06:51.59 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: that's totally orthogonal to a virtual interface |
| 06:52.09 | lost_soul | rather get this sorted.. bbiab fellas, thanks again |
| 06:52.22 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: it requires that the wireless driver supports creating additional *actual* interfaces, which not all of them do |
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| 06:52.55 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: well how can I know? :P I know that its possible with some atheros cards ... |
| 06:53.06 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: there are too many ?hci's arent there |
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| 06:53.44 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: yea. i just started only buying asus motherboards then i stopped having problems with usb |
| 06:53.57 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: man iw; and read about new_interface; et al. |
| 06:55.00 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: well at least you didnt get ahci mixed up in there too |
| 06:55.07 | gnarface | jesus |
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| 06:56.29 | gnarface | speaking of which: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/dd1a/ anyone seen one of these work with linux? i can't get thinkgeek or the actual manufacturer to admit to having ever even tried it. |
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| 06:57.13 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: tnks :D this is what I was looking, lets see if works for me |
| 06:58.16 | gnarface | OOH, just got a response from Rosewill... they claim it *should* work in Linux but are still contacting their techs to confirm! |
| 06:58.19 | gnarface | that's exciting news |
| 06:58.30 | gnarface | i may be able to hotplug my old ide optical drives after all |
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| 06:58.52 | Arrowmaster | i think ive got a Rosewill PATA to SATA adapter |
| 07:00.52 | gnarface | the best boards these days have only one (if any) ide busses |
| 07:00.59 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: do you know if anyone of this modes are for master mode? I need to create one interface to act like a AP hehe http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw#Adding_interfaces_with_iw |
| 07:01.25 | gnarface | so if you have harddrives and burners and dvd-roms and you still want to make use of them, you have to get creative |
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| 07:02.48 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: ive got 0 ide, 0 floppy, 0 pci on my extremely high end board |
| 07:03.14 | Arrowmaster | my dvd burner is ide though so i had to get a converter to sata |
| 07:03.56 | gnarface | yep, down to only 2 actual pci slots too |
| 07:04.14 | gnarface | managed to get 1 floppy port |
| 07:04.33 | gnarface | i fear the day when i may have to find a usb floppy drive |
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| 07:04.58 | gnarface | i try to avoid floppies but you know... it's just not always feasable |
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| 07:05.55 | gnarface | although i *did* find a neat trick to format a CDR in a way that it would boot as a floppy |
| 07:05.57 | gnarface | that's handy |
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| 07:06.21 | gnarface | occasionally you have to flash a bios in a really old rig |
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| 07:07.07 | Arrowmaster | ive actually got a usb floppy drive |
| 07:07.58 | gnarface | they actually sell them stand-alone? or do you have to steal one from a laptop? |
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| 07:09.12 | kenjy | ad-hoc vs master mode, who and why? |
| 07:10.00 | GorillaPatch | isn't ad-hoc only supporting point to point connections, whereas master mode is a full AP |
| 07:10.04 | GorillaPatch | ? |
| 07:10.16 | gnarface | kenjy: ad-hoc is for like, when you want to make a network of a pair of laptops with wifi cards. master mode is for when you've got a wifi access point to route through |
| 07:11.12 | kenjy | gnarface: can I give internet to a network ussing ad-hoc mode and have all services running ok and with a good bandwith? |
| 07:11.48 | gnarface | kenjy: only if you have some plan for bridging the wifi network to the outside world |
| 07:12.05 | gnarface | nintendo ds local wireless games use ad-hoc 802.11 b |
| 07:12.24 | gnarface | if you're using a home wireless router you want master mode |
| 07:12.28 | kenjy | gnarface: yes, I have, so no advantage between any one? if I use ad-hoc or mastered it don't matter? |
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| 07:12.53 | gnarface | kenjy: what are you doing? putting a client wifi card in your firewall/router? |
| 07:13.29 | gnarface | or do you have a linksys or some other little plastic box dedicated for this purpose? |
| 07:13.32 | Crypticfortune | how can i check to see if NCQ is enabled/being used on a SATA drive? |
| 07:14.28 | gnarface | Crypticfortune: no idea but if you figure out let me know :) |
| 07:14.31 | kenjy | gnarface: I have a computer with wireless internet access, Im creating a wireless virtual interface to share internet with another group of computers who don't have access in this access point |
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| 07:15.51 | gnarface | kenjy: the computer you have with wireless internet access... does it connect to the outside world via ethernet? or is said wifi *also* it's public network device? |
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| 07:16.32 | kenjy | gnarface: it don't connect outside world via ethernet, it use the wifi card to access internet |
| 07:16.46 | gnarface | that is WEIRD |
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| 07:17.19 | gnarface | but i think you might actually want to set the virtual inteface up in ad-hoc mode then, yea. |
| 07:17.27 | gnarface | but i've never done this in that way |
| 07:17.48 | gnarface | and i'm not even sure wifi devices can have virtual interfaces that are in different modes |
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| 07:17.57 | norf | my eeepc wont connect via ethernet |
| 07:18.16 | norf | and i dont have a wireless network, but it will pick up my neighbors wireless network... |
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| 07:18.47 | gnarface | kenjy: but i AM pretty sure that if you switch to ad-hoc and you can't leave the main device in master mode it probably will connect to your other wireless computers but stop being able to connect to your isp. your isp almost certainly will require master mode |
| 07:18.51 | norf | and this is direct connecting to a 5 port switch behind a modem...no router...simple dhcp |
| 07:18.56 | norf | and it fails |
| 07:19.06 | norf | UNR works on the eeepc though. |
| 07:19.19 | gnarface | norf: just disable the wifi device |
| 07:19.23 | Crypticfortune | gnarface: ah ha! "cat /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth" seems to be relevant |
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| 07:19.50 | gnarface | nice |
| 07:19.54 | gnarface | had to be in there somewhere |
| 07:19.59 | norf | gnarface: using a netinst, if it wont configure my ethernet to install the OS to begin with..what good is it? |
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| 07:20.47 | gnarface | norf: they're probably both working but since it's seeing your neighbor's wifi network traffic is being routed there by default. dhcp is probably your enemy in this case |
| 07:20.54 | hid3 | Any ideas how to synchronize "debian-cd" archive with rsync? I tried `rsync -av mirror.debian.org::debian-cd/ /my/destination/` but I get the error "Unknown module debian-cd". Any ideas? |
| 07:21.12 | norf | gnarface: not so....otherwise dhcp wouldnt work with UNR |
| 07:21.21 | gnarface | remind me what UNR is? |
| 07:21.28 | norf | ubuntu netbook remix. |
| 07:21.36 | gnarface | ah |
| 07:21.40 | gnarface | well i try to avoid ubunto |
| 07:21.47 | norf | me also |
| 07:21.54 | gnarface | try this |
| 07:21.59 | gnarface | do an ifconfig -a |
| 07:22.02 | gnarface | then pastebin it |
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| 07:22.30 | norf | the eeepc is in my kids room, shes sleeping...not waking her up to fix a problem that ive already fixed with UNR |
| 07:22.33 | norf | lol |
| 07:23.01 | gnarface | wait, is the problem with an already-installed system you're trying to get to use the ethernet instead of the wifi, or is it a problem with an installation disk that won't recognize the ethernet at all? |
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| 07:23.25 | norf | its the installation, it sees both the wifi chip and atheros ethernet.... |
| 07:23.32 | norf | but when i choose the ethernet to configure |
| 07:23.35 | norf | it fails |
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| 07:23.45 | gnarface | fails how? |
| 07:23.49 | gnarface | got an error message? |
| 07:24.19 | norf | says that my hardware isnt responding...or being slow...which is crap...because UNR sets it up in seconds. |
| 07:24.49 | gnarface | sounds to me like the install disk has outdated drivers for that device |
| 07:25.09 | gnarface | if you could just get it installed, there's a decent chance that a full update would give you working drivers for said device |
| 07:25.13 | gnarface | i've seen it a hundred times |
| 07:25.15 | norf | ive used several daily snapshots of squeeze |
| 07:25.21 | norf | so thats not the answer either. |
| 07:25.27 | gnarface | well, to be honest |
| 07:25.36 | gnarface | i've never had much luck with non-stable debian install cd's |
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| 07:25.40 | gnarface | especially daily snapshots |
| 07:25.50 | norf | squeeze is recommended on the eeepc |
| 07:25.56 | gnarface | which is a problem since the stable installers are always OLD |
| 07:26.40 | gnarface | but i've *OFTEN* gotten misbehaven drivers to work by shoehorning the stable in via any means necessary (hd transplant, usb install key, cdrom etc) then doing a full update to unstable |
| 07:27.04 | norf | i never run unstable...just testing. |
| 07:27.31 | norf | to many broken pkgs and bs errors in unstable |
| 07:27.33 | gnarface | never had any better luck with testing installers either |
| 07:27.34 | norf | (sid) |
| 07:27.48 | sparr | I'm on debian with qt3 and qt4 installed. qmake is building a makefile that calls for qt3 includes and libs. How can I make it refer to qt4 stuff? |
| 07:27.55 | nirmalh | hi |
| 07:28.27 | norf | heres a funny question...what are they gonna do for future versions of debian concerning names? OMG IM RUNNING DEBIAN BARBIE |
| 07:28.51 | norf | the new toy story movie sucked. had to watch it with my kid. |
| 07:28.53 | gnarface | i'm certain they will pick any name other than barbie |
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| 07:29.41 | gnarface | look, you said you tried the squeeze installer and it didn't work but it was a daily snapshot build? |
| 07:29.41 | norf | they cant make toy story movies forever...soon they will run out of names and will have to use it to stick with them naming scheme.... |
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| 07:29.44 | norf | lol |
| 07:29.51 | norf | yes |
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| 07:30.21 | gnarface | try finding out what day squeeze was "recommended" for your eeepc then get THAT squeeze disk |
| 07:30.35 | norf | i have... |
| 07:30.37 | gnarface | or just see if lenny will install at all, then dist-upgrade to squeeze and be happy |
| 07:30.51 | norf | i did not try to intall lenny on it though... |
| 07:31.06 | milligan_ | I'm trying to write to a 4 GB compact flash disk .. but I get dd: writing to `/dev/sdd': Input/output error on it. Testing a 512 mb disk works fine .. This is happening for two different flash disks, and they are both brand new. What could the problem be ? (Im trying to write an image to the disk, using dd) |
| 07:31.38 | alcy | folks, is there a way to check debconf selections (debconf-get-selections), without having to install the package first ? I could probably look for db_input lines in the config/postinst scripts but is there an easier way ? |
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| 07:32.10 | NginUS | can I set the size of a directory using lvm somehow? |
| 07:32.20 | NginUS | anyone know how that works? |
| 07:32.29 | reklipz | Is it possible to install Debian onto a hdd from a Debian installation? |
| 07:32.43 | NginUS | I need a directory to report it's available space as less than the disk it resides on. |
| 07:32.47 | gnarface | norf: worth a try. but something else may be helpful for you to know: if you download the full cd of any debian instead of the netinst, you can do an install without needing the network devices to work right away, then you can find the updated (working) drivers online, install manually (usb sneakernet) then use the updated driver to update everything else |
| 07:32.59 | feitingen | reklipz: look at debootstrap |
| 07:33.19 | reklipz | i.e. I have a Debian Lenny on a box, I put a new HDD in the box, I want to install Debian Squeeze onto that HDD. The box doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, and I don't have a USB stick to load an installer on to. |
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| 07:33.47 | gnarface | NginUS: i don't know how that works, but i don't think that's how LVM works. i don't think you set the size on a directory, i think you create a virtual volume IN a directory, then set the size on THAT, but i've never used LVM |
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| 07:35.27 | gnarface | reklipz: you can chroot into the new hdd and debootstrap into that. don't forget to set up your users and boot loader before you try to boot it though ;) |
| 07:35.29 | NginUS | gnarface : That's a step in the right direction, sounds better than a minute ago, ty |
| 07:35.45 | ArKaItZ | reklipz, can't you use both hdd's? |
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| 07:36.07 | reklipz | ArKaItZ: I want a fresh installation of Debian Squeeze on the new HDD. |
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| 07:36.24 | gnarface | yep, debootstrap into a chroot. it's nifty |
| 07:36.46 | reklipz | The current installation boots from a USB stick, and has / on an md array. I want to put /boot and / on the new hdd, and have the md array solely for storage. |
| 07:37.10 | reklipz | gnarface: does that take care of the initramfs and grub2 handoff goods? |
| 07:37.22 | gnarface | if you're lucky |
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| 07:38.13 | gnarface | actually i don't know. it should if you install grub2, but i'm honestly not sure if grub2 will install by default into the chroot. you may need to remember to install it manually before you reboot. you'll need to remember to create users too. typically the install disk will prompt you all for that |
| 07:38.16 | reklipz | gnarface: perhaps it would be simpler to use a netboot (pxe)?! |
| 07:38.37 | gnarface | reklipz: if you have a spare usb key you should be able to put the netboot on that... |
| 07:38.48 | reklipz | I don't have a usb key, unfortunately. |
| 07:38.50 | reklipz | Actually... |
| 07:38.54 | gnarface | i'd favor the debootstrap method myself, honestly |
| 07:39.02 | reklipz | I lost the one I had setup with u3 iso... |
| 07:39.11 | NginUS | reklipz : Here, use mine |
| 07:39.27 | reklipz | I could repurpose teh 2gb I will no longer need. |
| 07:39.28 | gnarface | you just gotta remember it's NOT an install disk. it WILL NOT do everything the install disk does for you. it won't prompt you to repartition, it won't prompt you to create users, etc. |
| 07:39.43 | reklipz | gnarface: that's what I'm afraid of. |
| 07:39.53 | reklipz | gnarface: what steps does the installer do other than the partition and users? |
| 07:39.58 | reklipz | and the bootloader |
| 07:39.59 | gnarface | boot loader |
| 07:40.05 | reklipz | and hostname |
| 07:40.06 | gnarface | that's all that comes to mind |
| 07:40.07 | reklipz | and time |
| 07:40.08 | reklipz | and locale |
| 07:40.33 | reklipz | and... "laptop vs desktop" + window system + xxx system |
| 07:40.41 | reklipz | :) |
| 07:40.44 | gnarface | well you need users, partitions, boot loader - and if it's a remote server, ssh |
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| 07:40.50 | gnarface | but the rest you can fix AFTER you got a base install in |
| 07:41.50 | gnarface | if you have a keyboard and mouse plugged in you can just apt-get install or dpkg-reconfigure any package after the fact |
| 07:42.35 | lost_soul | I forget the exact people that were giving me advice.. But I'm back, fresh install of debian.. and it boggles my mind, but the usb drives are working now. Makes absolutely no sense. |
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| 07:43.09 | lost_soul | same disc and everything |
| 07:43.10 | gnarface | reklipz: since you already know the thing boots from a usb key, and presumably know how to make bootable usb keys, it might be simpler for you just to repurpose a spare usb key temporarily as a debian install cd |
| 07:43.31 | gnarface | lost_soul: bunk usb drivers on your old install? |
| 07:43.39 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 07:43.44 | gnarface | usb drivers can have bugs too |
| 07:43.46 | gnarface | has seen it |
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| 07:44.00 | gnarface | has seen horrible things |
| 07:44.05 | jelly-home | lost_soul: dun dun DUNN |
| 07:44.08 | reklipz_ | not sure what happened there, webchat blew up |
| 07:44.08 | lost_soul | gnarface: anything is possible I suppose.. lol, I have no clue |
| 07:44.16 | reklipz_ | What'd I miss? |
| 07:44.27 | lost_soul | thanks again everyone who offered me assistance |
| 07:44.28 | gnarface | reklipz_: since you already know the thing boots from a usb key, and presumably know how to make bootable usb keys, it might be simpler for you just to repurpose a spare usb key temporarily as a debian install cd |
| 07:45.01 | gnarface | but debootstrapping into a chroot for your first time is exhilarating :) |
| 07:45.09 | dv- | uh, grub update is asking me where to install grub. I think |
| 07:45.24 | reklipz_ | gnarface: I recall setting up a usb key for booting the iso was a pain in the ass... |
| 07:45.35 | reklipz_ | gnarface: setting it up with a bootable fat32 partition is much simpler |
| 07:45.59 | reklipz_ | furthermore, hacking the u3 firmware to present a CD-ROM drive with the installer ISO was much simpler |
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| 07:46.35 | reklipz_ | i.e. debootstrap it is! |
| 07:46.36 | gnarface | reklipz_: why don't you try the chroot debootstrap thing. i'm sure you can google up some simple tutorials, and if you hose it - you still have your working usb key to reboot with to rescue it |
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| 07:47.24 | gnarface | the install disk doesn't do anything you can't do with the built-in system tools. it just puts a pretty interface on it |
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| 07:49.34 | lost_soul | jelly-home: it's a weird one, thats for sure.. Actually I'm gonna reboot, just to make sure it sticks. This is still my first boot |
| 07:49.37 | lost_soul | brb |
| 07:50.36 | reklipz_ | Also, I've been adding a 1-2gb swap partition to all of my installs. Is there any reason to do this anymore? |
| 07:50.52 | reklipz_ | I believe it's necessary for suspend |
| 07:51.25 | gnarface | reklipz_: it's probably a good idea just because that's such a trivial amount of hd space these days and SOMETHING might use it... but i've honestly forgotten and not noticed i did on many modern systems |
| 07:51.36 | reklipz_ | And could come in handy if I'm running a cpu + mem intensive process that takes a long time on a workstation, i can send a sigstop, and the memory will eventualyl be put into swap, and then a sigcont and it will be brought back |
| 07:51.52 | gnarface | theoretically virtual memory is your friend |
| 07:51.55 | rvsjoen | I tend to add some swap on any box with less than 4gb of memory, otherwise I won't bother |
| 07:52.02 | gnarface | and theoretically swap is an integral part of virtual memory |
| 07:52.10 | reklipz_ | gnarface: right |
| 07:52.11 | rvsjoen | if it comes to that i'll just make a swap file temporarily and buy more ram |
| 07:52.22 | gnarface | but yea, in MOST desktop situations if you got 4gb you're not gonna miss your swap |
| 07:52.25 | reklipz_ | gnarface: with 4TB at my disposal, I think I'll add a 2GB swap partition. |
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| 07:52.49 | gnarface | i think it's often more important these days for virtualization and large server processes |
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| 07:53.22 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.22 | jacekowski | Mem: 7988 7783 205 0 398 3860 |
| 07:53.22 | gnarface | i remember setting up a big user-mode-linux cluster and needing to put extra swap in it so all the little uml processes had enough each |
| 07:53.28 | reklipz_ | Well, this NAS has 4GB of RAM, but since It's only used as a NAS and the main HDD won't be used much, I'll add some swap |
| 07:53.29 | jacekowski | Swap: 1998 1115 883 |
| 07:53.37 | jacekowski | 1G of swap used |
| 07:53.43 | jacekowski | mostly by java |
| 07:53.55 | gnarface | haha. somehow i'm not surprised |
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| 07:54.13 | gnarface | but yea, if the swap is present, stuff WILL use it... few things will actually die without it these days though, especially on a desktop |
| 07:54.17 | lost_soul | still works :\ |
| 07:54.26 | jacekowski | and i have default swappiness |
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| 07:54.30 | jacekowski | i think 40 |
| 07:54.32 | jacekowski | or something |
| 07:54.39 | jelly-home | gnarface: Linux may determine disk cache is more useful than seldom used code, and swap out pages of unused code |
| 07:54.42 | gnarface | swappiness? where do you set that? |
| 07:54.47 | jacekowski | in /proc |
| 07:54.55 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.59 | gnarface | neato. i'll have to play with that |
| 07:55.16 | gnarface | lol |
| 07:55.20 | gnarface | you weren't lying. /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 07:55.20 | jacekowski | on desktop with recent kernel and swap prefetch you can set it to 100 |
| 07:55.27 | gnarface | mine seems to be set to 60 |
| 07:56.03 | gnarface | jelly-home: makes sense |
| 07:56.07 | jacekowski | and tweak vfs cache pressure to little bit lower value |
| 07:56.26 | jacekowski | so it will prefer to use memory for cache rather than for stuff that can be swapped |
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| 07:58.13 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 07:58.15 | gnarface | wow i never messed with any of that stuff |
| 07:58.40 | aprendiz001 | I am trying to do a chroot for SFTP |
| 07:58.55 | `Assassin | Is there a way to automatically install proprietary ATI drivers in Debian without risk of killing X? |
| 07:59.01 | gnarface | aprendiz001: it's a built in feature in the latest openssh-server |
| 07:59.08 | aprendiz001 | yes |
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| 07:59.21 | aprendiz001 | but I have an error: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory |
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| 07:59.41 | aprendiz001 | do I need that all the folders in the path have root as owner? |
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| 08:00.20 | gnarface | uh |
| 08:00.21 | gnarface | i forget |
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| 08:00.23 | gnarface | but i doubt it |
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| 08:00.48 | gnarface | but you probably DO have to make them readable+writable by whoever is supposed to read/write to them |
| 08:00.59 | ethanol | morning people |
| 08:01.06 | gnarface | 'morning |
| 08:01.17 | lost_soul | g'morning |
| 08:01.20 | aprendiz001 | yes gnarface, the folder have 777 permissions |
| 08:02.20 | jelly-home | aprendiz001: yeah, don't do that |
| 08:02.38 | jelly-home | aprendiz001: at least take away go-w |
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| 08:03.53 | aprendiz001 | jelly-home, what permissions are the best? |
| 08:04.37 | gnarface | aprendiz001: my guess is you need to learn more about permissions or linux will constantly victimize you |
| 08:04.43 | gnarface | tell me this |
| 08:04.46 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 08:04.46 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 08:04.46 | gnarface | somewhere in your sshd-config |
| 08:05.02 | gnarface | you have a line that says either "Match User..." or "Match Group..." right? |
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| 08:05.18 | aprendiz001 | yes |
| 08:05.22 | gnarface | ok |
| 08:05.28 | gnarface | paste it |
| 08:05.29 | gnarface | just that one line |
| 08:05.32 | gnarface | paste it here now |
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| 08:05.54 | aprendiz001 | Match User intouch |
| 08:06.02 | gnarface | OK |
| 08:06.09 | gnarface | so it's been a while since i've done this |
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| 08:06.19 | gnarface | but i *think* that you need to make that directory owned by the user intouch |
| 08:06.30 | gnarface | and readable+writeable by him if he's to read+write from it |
| 08:06.34 | gnarface | and NOBODY ELSE |
| 08:06.39 | gnarface | unless you're INSANE |
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| 08:07.07 | aprendiz001 | but for chroot I need that folder with root owner |
| 08:07.16 | gnarface | why? |
| 08:07.29 | aprendiz001 | I have read that |
| 08:07.31 | Zambezi | I installed the drivers from Nvidia's homepage in Squeeze with kernel 2.6.32-3, but Xorg won't start with 2.6.32-5. I think it says something like no screen found. I had no trouble with 2.6.32-3 except poor support for my GT240. I'm running 2.6.32-3 ever since -5 came. Any idea? |
| 08:07.49 | gnarface | aprendiz001: you read this? http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
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| 08:08.14 | gnarface | aprendiz001: ignore my last link. that's dated |
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| 08:09.16 | gnarface | Zambezi: when upgrading X, opengl/mesagl, or anything with GL in it, you need to install the Nvidia binary gunk LAST, then do a FULL REBOOT |
| 08:09.41 | jelly-home | Zambezi: you have to rebuild the drivers whenever the kernel ABI changes, did you do that for 2.6.32-5-whatev? |
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| 08:10.10 | jelly-home | gnarface: debian has its own installer for nvidia's stuff. |
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| 08:11.11 | Zambezi | gnarface: I tried to reinstall just executing the run-file again, but it fail on an error. Don't remember which, it's been awhile since I last rebooted. |
| 08:11.15 | gnarface | jelly-home: oh, i keep forgetting that. i avoid contrib and non-free |
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| 08:11.25 | jelly-home | gnarface: what you wrote seems to imply usage of nvidia's own installer, which, while working, makes a mess out of dpkg's database |
| 08:11.40 | jelly-home | !tell Zambezi about nvidia |
| 08:11.43 | gnarface | jelly-home: noted. that's why it always goes in last :-/ |
| 08:11.51 | Dblencowe | Hi there, is there a way to check which website on my server is using CPU? |
| 08:12.31 | Zambezi | jelly-home: No. A bit advance I'm afraid. I'm going to read your tip now. |
| 08:13.33 | gnarface | jelly-home: does not old loaded agp/pcie graphics drivers require a full reboot to actually be fully purged from system memory when updating them due to some weirdness though? i could have sworn this was the case |
| 08:14.28 | Zambezi | !tell Zambezi about nvidia squeeze |
| 08:15.00 | aprendiz001 | ohh, it is working with 555 |
| 08:15.02 | aprendiz001 | :D |
| 08:15.11 | quiritius | Zambezi: you should either clean up the nvidia.com driver and install according to http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or (for the *.run install) you probably need install kernel headers |
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| 08:17.13 | gnarface | aprendiz001: *sigh* |
| 08:17.19 | Zambezi | quiritius: That was only available for 2.6.32-2 when I first install Squeeze in early April. That's why I install the *.run from Nvidia. And that works perfectly with 2.6.32-3. |
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| 08:18.08 | reklipz | gah, lenny doesn't support mounting ext4 |
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| 08:19.20 | quiritius | Zambezi: but now you upgraded the kernel to 2.6.32-5 so also the headers should upgraded or the driver won't compile. |
| 08:19.27 | aprendiz001 | gnarface, I need root owner for doing chroot so I need to give permissions for all :( |
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| 08:19.58 | alcy | repeats question: |
| 08:20.00 | alcy | folks, is there a way to check debconf selections (debconf-get-selections), without having to install the package first ? I could probably look for db_input lines in the config/postinst scripts but is there an easier way ? |
| 08:20.21 | gnarface | aprendiz001: are you sure you're doing the built-in openssh-server chrootdirectory feature, or are you running a chrooted sshd or whatever it is they used to do before like... 5.3 |
| 08:20.57 | aprendiz001 | I am using the last version in debian lenny that supports chrootdirectory |
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| 08:21.44 | Zambezi | quiritius: I might consider clean up from the *.run, but I'm not really sure how I'll do that. |
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| 08:28.15 | quiritius | Zambezi: i am certainly not an authority on that either, but i usually log in into a tty, stop X11, and then `# *.run --uninstall` from under the new kernel. before that check if the nouveau is blacklisted (/etc/modprobe.d/*), if nvidia fails to install, you can enable nouveau to log into X. |
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| 08:30.08 | quiritius | Zambezi: btw, the http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers also specifies how to clean up. probably it is better to install the driver through m-a procedure there, since the 196.36.24 is available for 2.6.32-5 now. |
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| 08:31.33 | Zambezi | quiritius: I'm going to bookmark and copy paste. After breakfast, I'll give it a shot. |
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| 08:35.48 | reklipz | does anyone know the packages installed when "desktop" is selected in the debian installer? |
| 08:35.49 | Zambezi | quiritius: The reason I love Debian is no suprises. And I had my P4 for ages, but ~four month ago I bought a new computer and then the drivers in Lenny really isn't a good choice. Not with two monintors. But fixing this and it's okay. |
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| 08:37.32 | alcy | Zambezi: quite a few sysadmins will disagree with you ( I am not one of those people). |
| 08:38.33 | alcy | anyway, somebody got a clue how to preseed "shared" values like these : http://pastie.org/1053349, I mean, should it be made explicit in the preseed files for both the packages ? |
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| 08:40.19 | quiritius | Zambezi: <grin> I moved from ubuntu recently because of too much surprises. it's squeeze now and i think i will keep it for a long time. |
| 08:40.53 | LetoPoole | did anybody get indicator-applet to work properly? |
| 08:40.58 | the-dude | alcy: what do you mean by shared? |
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| 08:41.29 | LetoPoole | besides the gdm3 conflict |
| 08:41.50 | Dblencowe | Does anyone know a way to check which website on my server is using CPU? |
| 08:42.01 | hid3 | What is module 'dm_log' used for? |
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| 08:43.07 | alcy | <the-dude>: those values are used by both the packages. so, if I were to write preseed files for any one of them, I could simply add the line without the shared tag and replacing that with the name of the package itself right ? |
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| 08:43.41 | Zambezi | quiritius: Me too. I love Lenny, but gave Squeeze a chance. And I love it even more. In Ubuntu, you can get 200 MB with packages every other day. |
| 08:45.01 | the-dude | alcy: im not sure never used it in that kind of way |
| 08:46.07 | alcy | the-dude: hmm. will try in xen machine then. |
| 08:46.08 | the-dude | alcy: shouldn't you use ldap-auth-config ldap-auth-config/$ ? |
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| 08:47.58 | alcy | the-dude: not sure about that ? |
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| 08:48.47 | the-dude | alcy: im using it in that way |
| 08:49.18 | the-dude | alcy: im installing both libs as well |
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| 08:51.23 | quiritius | Zambezi: well, i needed 2.6.32 kernel in any case so the choice for squeeze was obvious. a much more responsive and stable system than lucid with quite fresh apps. much less memory consumption. strange really, what do they think in canonical? one just wonders... |
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| 08:51.50 | alcy | the-dude: what package is that (ldap-auth-config) ? |
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| 08:52.49 | the-dude | libnss-ldap |
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| 08:54.26 | Zambezi | quiritius: Hardy came with Firefox 3b5 iirc, at least a beta. I'm happy with Squeeze, I just want the latest kernel, I'm not sure I need it, but it's there for a reason. |
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| 09:00.58 | reklipz | having major issues getting grub2 to boot |
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| 09:01.10 | Ruum | guys here is the box that I am working on: |
| 09:01.59 | Ruum | Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:02.32 | Ruum | how do I CORRECTLY install the java development kit? |
| 09:02.38 | Ruum | or the jdk ? |
| 09:03.38 | Ruum | I got this lenny version but when I type in "java" I dont get the standard java command line output that you would get from java-sun. |
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| 09:04.25 | the-dude | Ruum: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 09:05.20 | Ruum | thanks man! Btw do you like white russians? They taste awesome!! |
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| 09:10.12 | reklipz | When I execute the command ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot/ from the rescue prompt in grub2, I get error: out of disk -- however, ls (hd0,msdos1)/ works fine... |
| 09:11.12 | Ruum | kk "the-dude" when I type: "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk" it says that it cant find the package |
| 09:11.32 | Ruum | what repositories am I missing? |
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| 09:12.31 | nsadmin | probably debian non-free |
| 09:12.57 | nsadmin | and contrib (which supports non-free but itself is free) |
| 09:13.23 | Ruum | kk what do I search for in the site that tells me how to do it? |
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| 09:14.05 | nsadmin | reklipz, when you run ls (hd0,msdos1)/ do you see boot |
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| 09:14.21 | reklipz | nsadmin: yes. |
| 09:14.31 | reklipz | nsadmin: the grub guys are telling me it's probably due to a buggy BIOS |
| 09:14.42 | nsadmin | hmm. ok |
| 09:15.52 | Ruum | hey nsadmin here is what I got: |
| 09:15.57 | Ruum | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/12560 |
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| 09:16.19 | Ruum | but that is 2 URLs which one would I use for this box: |
| 09:16.33 | Ruum | Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:16.41 | nsadmin | etch? |
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| 09:16.54 | nsadmin | those look like lenny kernels |
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| 09:18.23 | Ruum | should I use both URLs? |
| 09:18.31 | Ruum | nsadmin? |
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| 09:19.12 | nsadmin | what's your /etc/debian_version |
| 09:19.16 | nvz | whats the deal with these damn laptop batteries? This one battery will last like 6hrs if used regularly.. but as soon as I plug in another battery it gets all screwed |
| 09:19.49 | nvz | takes like several full charge discharges to get one battery back to normal |
| 09:20.31 | nvz | I know linux shows the last full charge and only charges to that point |
| 09:20.43 | nvz | but that info is all stored on the battery isnt it? |
| 09:20.55 | thewanderer1 | yes it is |
| 09:21.00 | thewanderer1 | it's called the fuel gauge |
| 09:21.04 | Ruum | kk one sec..... |
| 09:21.25 | thewanderer1 | it's a bad idea to dive in the electronics, though |
| 09:21.31 | Ruum | 5.0.2 |
| 09:21.37 | nvz | baffles the shit out of me why a battery that normally shows and lasts 6hrs only shows like 3-4hrs when I am swapping battery |
| 09:21.49 | Ruum | that is what the file said nsadmin :-) |
| 09:22.06 | nvz | the other machine won't show anything with the one battery |
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| 09:22.14 | nvz | but it runs windows.. so.. idk |
| 09:22.25 | thewanderer1 | nvz, what laptop? |
| 09:22.38 | nvz | its an Acer Aspire ZG5 european model |
| 09:22.42 | nvz | the other is the US model |
| 09:22.46 | nvz | both use same battery |
| 09:22.51 | Ruum | wells? |
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| 09:23.02 | thewanderer1 | huh, perhaps it's an ACPI bug? |
| 09:23.07 | nvz | but it seems when I take both batteries to try extend my battery life it goes stupid |
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| 09:23.48 | nvz | a bug wouldn't surpise me.. they cut all sorts of corners to make mobile devices.. and bugs are usually common |
| 09:24.19 | thewanderer1 | have you checked it with /sys to make sure batteries get labelled right? |
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| 09:24.31 | nvz | I just don't know enough about the batteries and their electronics as far as how all that charging/discharging works |
| 09:24.39 | nvz | the system only holds one battery |
| 09:25.03 | thewanderer1 | so you're swapping them offline? |
| 09:25.10 | nvz | thewanderer1: right |
| 09:25.34 | nvz | the better of the two lasts like 6 hrs.. and usually says 5hrs 55min or so when fully charged in my gnome battery monitor |
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| 09:25.42 | nvz | but thats only if I use it regularly |
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| 09:25.53 | thewanderer1 | what is it? Li-Ion? |
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| 09:26.11 | nvz | if I power down, put the other battery in, then run it down, and put the other one back in.. it seems to stop charging around the same time the other will |
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| 09:26.30 | nvz | thewanderer1: yeah I am pretty sure they are Li-Ion |
| 09:26.37 | nvz | actually I am doing this from hibernate |
| 09:26.42 | nvz | if that changes anything |
| 09:26.47 | thewanderer1 | well, a lot |
| 09:26.51 | nsadmin | Ruum: so you;'re running lenny |
| 09:26.55 | nvz | so the system thinks its still the same battery of course |
| 09:26.59 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 09:27.06 | thewanderer1 | I don't think Linux supports battery swapping at all without ACPI support |
| 09:27.12 | thewanderer1 | and ACPI is defunct while in hibernate |
| 09:27.23 | nvz | that makes sense |
| 09:27.26 | thewanderer1 | of course while online it's not possible to swap, so there's your answer |
| 09:27.36 | Ruum | kk so what is my next step I am new to debian, but not to linux |
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| 09:27.52 | thewanderer1 | you should see thinkwiki.org for the kind of hacks they had to use to make battery swapping on ThinkPad to work (they have 2 batteries with the dock) |
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| 09:28.03 | Ruum | I have mostly CentOS experience |
| 09:28.05 | nvz | shutting down and booting back up not only takes longer but makes me have to shut everything down and save it.. |
| 09:28.11 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 09:28.26 | nvz | but I can try doing it that way and see what happens |
| 09:28.26 | thewanderer1 | perhaps thinkwiki.org scripts could shed some light on the dark matter of battery swap |
| 09:28.34 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 09:28.37 | thewanderer1 | definitely |
| 09:29.11 | nvz | I only have one battery, but what I've been toying with goes well beyond just computers.. and thats the ideal setup for mobile power |
| 09:29.16 | Ruum | I mean nsadmin is this the correct repository? deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:29.16 | nsadmin | Ruum: you want to make sure that you have a source that gets most of the official debian packages in main |
| 09:29.29 | nvz | to me it seems like I'd need a device that will plug into the AC port for extended battery life |
| 09:29.35 | nsadmin | I would replace the word stable with lenny |
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| 09:29.40 | nvz | cause battery swapping seems to be counterproductive |
| 09:29.41 | nsadmin | but yes, that's correct |
| 09:29.59 | Ruum | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 09:30.02 | Ruum | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 09:30.03 | nvz | seems like I get less battery life with two batteries than with one |
| 09:30.04 | Ruum | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 09:30.06 | Ruum | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 09:30.09 | Ruum | deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 09:30.11 | Ruum | deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 09:30.12 | Ruum | that is what I have. |
| 09:30.21 | nsadmin | do you know what pastebin is |
| 09:30.33 | Ruum | sorry dude |
| 09:31.03 | thewanderer1 | nvz, it's a psychological effect brought about by the amount of nuisance caused by powering down and swapping |
| 09:31.08 | Ruum | but it seemed not too bad since it was under 10 lines |
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| 09:31.22 | nsadmin | well it's good that the "sorry dude" was heard by the other 957 here |
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| 09:31.26 | Ruum | and it wasnt long lines of code |
| 09:31.35 | nvz | thewanderer1: doesn't seem so.. I haven't been clocking it in a scientific method, but it seems like I get about 3hrs each |
| 09:31.54 | nvz | thewanderer1: when I should be getting 10hrs or more instead of the 6hrs I get with the one battery anyhow |
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| 09:31.57 | Ruum | next time I will use pastebin |
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| 09:32.10 | ootput | Ruum: please hold while i dig up 10 lines of code to disrupt your conversation |
| 09:32.21 | thewanderer1 | nvz, you have to do that with the power-off, otherwise Linux will not detect the battery swap I think |
| 09:32.26 | gnarface | a little known fact about macbooks - the batteries are hot-swappable, even when not connected to AC power. just make sure your mac is sleeping (lid closed does this automatically, usually) and you have about 4-10 seconds to swap the battery |
| 09:32.36 | nsadmin | Ruum: I have no say one way or another... as far as I'm concerned you can do what you want... I'd just ask that you consider the thousand people here |
| 09:32.49 | nvz | thewanderer1: the computer presents the biggest problem when not around normal electricity... cause it requires higher voltage and more amps than my phone, ipod..etc |
| 09:33.14 | nvz | the itouch is a PITA cause it won't just charge off normal 5vdc 700ma, needs a special charging circuit |
| 09:33.16 | Ruum | ok, duelly noted |
| 09:33.43 | nvz | but the laptop needs more in the range of 16-19vdc 2-4amps to charge |
| 09:33.45 | ootput | duly |
| 09:33.53 | nvz | hard to get that from a solar panel or something |
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| 09:34.22 | thewanderer1 | nvz, anyway you'll have to swap batteries with the laptop powered off and no memory saved to swap |
| 09:34.24 | themill | gnarface: sounds like yet another "zomg apple invented something new" moment. My 11 year old P3 based laptop could do that. |
| 09:35.09 | nvz | apple laptops usually don't even have a removable battery much less a hot swappable one |
| 09:35.19 | nvz | unless they are the larger models |
| 09:35.38 | nvz | thats the whole basis of their design.. put everything inside and save space |
| 09:36.03 | nvz | I am thinking of going apple though for my future technology needs |
| 09:36.40 | gnarface | themill: hardly. it's just that my 15-year old toshiba couldn't and i didn't want to claim to know anything i can't speak for first-hand |
| 09:36.45 | nsadmin | Ruum so now, try aptitude update |
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| 09:36.52 | themill | gnarface: :) |
| 09:37.02 | nvz | I've mostly avoided them all my life, but I have an iTouch now, and I love it.. it works great and has incredible battery life. Many of their laptops boast a 10hr battery life |
| 09:37.04 | thewanderer1 | nvz, Apple is the opposite of Linux, not its proponent... |
| 09:37.26 | nvz | yeah well I'd run Debian on them just the same.. I'm not a big fan of MacOS |
| 09:37.38 | thewanderer1 | unless you want to pay the logo tax, consider serious companies not the ones selling gizmos :P |
| 09:37.39 | Ruum | haha lol I just rebooted the box after editing the file. |
| 09:37.45 | thewanderer1 | (that's just my opinion) |
| 09:37.45 | nvz | even though it feels a lot more like linux, being BSD now.. it is still too crazy for me |
| 09:37.54 | Ruum | lol I will wait for it to come back up |
| 09:38.15 | gnarface | linux runs pretty well on the new macs. if you format the harddrive with reiserfs then your average novice won't even be able to figure out how to get the osx disk to work on it again ;) |
| 09:38.23 | nvz | thewanderer1: I used to think the same way, and I still think their prices are outrageous.. but the fact of the matter is the hardware is far superior |
| 09:38.50 | thewanderer1 | for now, I am a Lenovo fan :P |
| 09:38.59 | nvz | I've not seen any other laptop on the market with the raw processing power, nvidia graphics, and battery life the new mac laptops have |
| 09:39.06 | thewanderer1 | largely due to the instant Linux experience |
| 09:39.10 | nvz | oh I loved IBM, and I like Lenovo too |
| 09:39.23 | gnarface | i miss the old ibm thinkpads |
| 09:39.26 | nvz | but I'm looking for MOBILITY now.. above all |
| 09:39.30 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, got one in front of me |
| 09:39.34 | nvz | which means battery life is a huge issue |
| 09:39.34 | thewanderer1 | typing on it :P |
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| 09:39.45 | nvz | I have an old Thinkpad T41 |
| 09:39.52 | thewanderer1 | nvz, "netbooks"? |
| 09:39.59 | gnarface | hell i just miss laptops with square screens and normal resolutions. what ever happened to 1280x1024? wtf is wrong with people that think 768 is enough vertical lines |
| 09:40.14 | nvz | and I worked on a Lenovo T61 recently.. it was awesome.. actually removed windows on it and installed Debian.. the guy loved it |
| 09:40.16 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, I have 1400x1050 here on X60 :P |
| 09:40.18 | au | I have 1280 by 800 |
| 09:40.27 | gnarface | thewanderer1: nice. that must have cost more than a mac |
| 09:40.34 | nvz | gnarface: my netbook is only 1024x600 |
| 09:40.40 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, bought a used one, new ones are not produced anymore |
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| 09:41.01 | thewanderer1 | but yeah, tablet PC's are expensive |
| 09:41.10 | nvz | thewanderer1: I have an acer netbook.. was suppose to have a 6hr battery life.. the wifi sucks, the battery never lasted 6hrs and degraded quickly |
| 09:41.24 | thewanderer1 | (and I don't mean touch-based PC's, they are NOT tablets) |
| 09:41.32 | nvz | my dads battery still lasts like 6hrs, but he bought his at a store |
| 09:41.33 | gnarface | still is the slave of two large viewsonic 21" crt's and enlightenment 0.16. |
| 09:41.35 | thewanderer1 | nvz, I somehow know that with my Acer laptop - sold it week ago :P |
| 09:41.40 | nvz | mine came from tiger direct.. nuff said |
| 09:41.47 | gnarface | 3200x1200 desktop ftw |
| 09:41.51 | thewanderer1 | harhar |
| 09:41.51 | nvz | oh Acer is terrible |
| 09:41.51 | gnarface | who cares if it's not portable |
| 09:42.01 | thewanderer1 | nvz, it's not, for the first 2 years |
| 09:42.38 | nvz | their tech support line changes all the time, yet I can still call compaq at 1-800-OK-Compaq even though they were bought out |
| 09:42.50 | nvz | their support is terrible |
| 09:43.08 | nvz | they wanted me to send my old power brick back or pay $10 to have them ship me another one |
| 09:43.36 | reklipz | gnarface: what is the default root password with debootstrap, :P |
| 09:43.43 | nvz | compaq had me one overnighted when I called at 7pm on a friday.. it was on my doorstep saturday morning and they never asked for the old one back |
| 09:43.50 | Ruum | well nsadmin |
| 09:43.52 | reklipz | I'm going to assume it's something like asdf(*&A(*&F9 8if 98ds798j fjsLKDjflkJfuckyouyouwillneverknowLKDSjflkjdsflkajsdf |
| 09:43.57 | Ruum | that DID IT!! :-) |
| 09:44.03 | nvz | not even to mention their hardware just seems to universally suck |
| 09:44.05 | thewanderer1 | reklipz, no password at all |
| 09:44.22 | nvz | I can't really complain about any of the technology I have cause I didn't pay for any of it |
| 09:44.28 | reklipz | thewanderer1: my box disagrees with you. |
| 09:44.34 | nvz | the netbook however was payment for working on a server |
| 09:44.38 | thewanderer1 | reklipz, just because you can't login? |
| 09:44.47 | thewanderer1 | reklipz, PAM doesn't allow logins with empty password |
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| 09:45.02 | reklipz | thewanderer1: interesante |
| 09:45.06 | thewanderer1 | nvz, I just thought you run fast |
| 09:45.40 | nvz | thewanderer1: na, I haven't really bought much technology. I never had a need that was greater than my supply |
| 09:45.53 | nvz | working in the field as a service tech you always end up with shit |
| 09:46.23 | nvz | be it people not wanting old stuff, not paying for fixing it, or going around and picking up crap...etc |
| 09:46.42 | nvz | I left probably 10 computers in texas and don't really miss any of them |
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| 09:47.03 | aex | hi |
| 09:47.04 | gnarface | reklipz: lol there fucking isn't one |
| 09:47.10 | gnarface | you should have set it before you rebooted |
| 09:47.27 | aex | hi i have a problem with a change of the doc root of apache2 on debian |
| 09:47.27 | gnarface | now fire up your usb boot key (the old one) mount the drive and chroot into it and run passwd |
| 09:48.15 | nvz | right now I got the IBM Thinkpad T41 (1.6ghz / 768mb ram / 80gb hd replacement), the Acer AspireOne ZG5 Euro model (1.6ghz / 1gb ram / 160gb hd), and my desktop which is like an AMD 64 single core 1.8ghz I think, with 1gb ram. |
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| 09:48.36 | nvz | nothing fancy.. just what I've collected and haven't pitched out or sold.. |
| 09:48.39 | aex | i want to change doc root from /var/www/vhosts/abc to /var/www/abc.. but dont work it |
| 09:48.58 | iceroot | aex: change it in the apache config and restart apache |
| 09:49.04 | nvz | aex: did you restart the server afterwards? |
| 09:49.28 | aex | yes. i have it change in sites-available |
| 09:49.38 | aex | and sites-enable |
| 09:49.44 | aex | and restart apache, but dont work |
| 09:50.02 | aex | in which file i must change the doc root? |
| 09:50.16 | nvz | uh... I'm not overly familiar with Apache2 config, cause I'm still more verses in 1.3, but I am pretty sure thats still done in the http config |
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| 09:50.22 | iceroot | aex: so its pointing to the old location? browser cache cleared? looked at /var/log/apache2/access.log? |
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| 09:50.35 | aex | its a debian vserver images with plesk |
| 09:50.50 | aex | under /etc/apache2/conf.d i have a psa httpd.conf data |
| 09:50.51 | nvz | heh |
| 09:51.08 | themill | aex: the default debian configuration doesn't use /var/www/vhosts/abc in any case.... who knows what plesk does here. |
| 09:51.13 | iceroot | aex: dont use plesk, its messing up the config |
| 09:51.23 | aex | zz010_psa_httpd.conf |
| 09:51.39 | aex | hehe ok. |
| 09:51.56 | reklipz | git cloegnari need ethernet drivers! |
| 09:51.56 | nvz | isn't plesk like a webmin or help desk ticketing system or something? |
| 09:51.56 | aex | i will only testing a webbased knowledgebase |
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| 09:52.03 | iceroot | yes |
| 09:52.07 | aex | but its installing under /var/www/abc |
| 09:52.15 | aex | not under /vhosts/abc.. |
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| 09:52.37 | aex | moment. afk |
| 09:52.47 | nvz | speaking of battery issues.. heh |
| 09:52.58 | nvz | I got about 10min of power or less left on this battery |
| 09:53.15 | nvz | and I didn't get on IRC from the desktop via ssh like I should have |
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| 09:53.57 | Ruum | hey guys I am getting this error: |
| 09:54.29 | jelly | aex: Plesk is a self-contained system, they do things differently from the distro. |
| 09:54.52 | gnarface | aex: Plesk and cpanel are *not* your friends. |
| 09:55.07 | jelly | aex: best to contact your third party (commerical) product support |
| 09:55.15 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/4pHY080Z |
| 09:55.26 | Ruum | how do I fix this? |
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| 09:55.45 | gnarface | Ruum: lol you gotta be root to install packages |
| 09:55.57 | Ruum | I am root :-) |
| 09:55.58 | jelly | !plesk |
| 09:55.58 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:56.15 | themill | Ruum: you've got another dpkg or aptitude process running somewhere. Exit it. |
| 09:56.18 | gnarface | Ruum: is... uh... another process using it? |
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| 09:57.14 | themill | running "fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock" as root will tell you its process ID |
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| 09:57.53 | kaduk | Hi |
| 09:58.01 | donryanocero | HI! |
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| 09:58.08 | kaduk | I installed debian and I have problem with starting services |
| 09:58.13 | Ruum | that would make the most sence |
| 09:58.18 | Ruum | sense |
| 09:58.22 | kaduk | it says that its starting fake start-stop-daemon |
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| 09:58.34 | donryanocero | oh noes |
| 09:58.43 | kaduk | and when I try to restart it says invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of start |
| 09:58.45 | kaduk | any help? |
| 09:58.51 | Ruum | but here is the problem I dont know the debian command for looking at all the processes |
| 09:58.55 | babilen | kaduk: Could you paste the exact commandand output to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 09:59.01 | Ruum | I could find it if it was red hat |
| 09:59.15 | kaduk | babilen, no because I am on external computer |
| 09:59.23 | kaduk | babilen, there is nothing more that I already wrote |
| 09:59.43 | themill | kaduk: I bet there is. |
| 09:59.50 | babilen | Which servce is that, what command are you using and what is the error message? |
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| 10:00.04 | Ruum | how do you look at and kill proccesses in debian ? |
| 10:00.10 | kaduk | babilen, any service prints that error |
| 10:00.18 | jelly | Ruum: it's just like any other linux |
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| 10:00.31 | kaduk | on start I see |
| 10:00.32 | drlinux | hi all i cant set the turkish keyboard under crunchbank linux (that based debian breeze and has no gnome) |
| 10:00.34 | Ruum | kk cool thanks |
| 10:00.42 | kaduk | Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing. |
| 10:01.08 | drlinux | *crunchbang linux |
| 10:01.15 | jelly | Ruum: ps, kill, pidof all work |
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| 10:01.30 | jelly | !tell drlinux about based on debian |
| 10:02.16 | kaduk | babilen, dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
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| 10:02.29 | jelly | !tell drlinux about xorg config squeeze |
| 10:02.36 | kaduk | babilen, then I see invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of restart |
| 10:02.39 | kaduk | am I missing something?/ |
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| 10:03.44 | jelly | drlinux: there's no debian release codenamed breeze, I assume you meant squeeze. Look at the data dpkg-bot sent you in private messages |
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| 10:06.15 | alcy | there was one breezy ubuntu though :P |
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| 10:06.30 | hello1 | hello |
| 10:06.35 | kaduk | themill, any help? |
| 10:06.43 | babilen | kaduk: Do you have a /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL file? |
| 10:06.45 | drlinux | many thanks jelly |
| 10:06.55 | kaduk | babilen, yes |
| 10:06.56 | babilen | kaduk: Or something resembling that? |
| 10:07.12 | kaduk | babilen, yes I do |
| 10:07.14 | babilen | kaduk: What have you done before this issue occured? |
| 10:07.45 | hello1 | hey i have server n same machine,do i copy the php,files or need to upload them |
| 10:07.54 | jelly | drlinux: also, /msg dpkg crunchbang |
| 10:07.54 | hello1 | i am confused withthese terminolgy |
| 10:08.04 | Ruum | hey how do I check Synaptic Package Manager |
| 10:08.06 | Ruum | ? |
| 10:08.17 | babilen | kaduk: You might want to "aptitude reinstall dpkg" (/sbin/start-stop-daemon is shipped with dpkg) |
| 10:08.18 | hello1 | type aptitude on cnsole |
| 10:08.20 | kaduk | babilen, I was trying to install live debian with latest debian installer to have ext4 and latest kernel, but installation did not install all packages successfuly somekind of error |
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| 10:08.38 | kaduk | babilen, if I manage to fix this and services are going to start, I would be happy |
| 10:09.11 | babilen | kaduk: Well, I would use the installer from kmuto to install Debian Lenny with ext4 (why?) - /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 10:09.11 | hello1 | hwo many promary patition you have on your machine |
| 10:09.15 | hello1 | primary8 |
| 10:09.35 | kaduk | babilen, I already tried apt-get --resintall install dpkg before |
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| 10:09.41 | kaduk | babilen, and it did not help |
| 10:09.46 | Ruum | lol I mean how do I do that via ssh? |
| 10:10.07 | Ruum | check Synaptic Package Manager via ssh? |
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| 10:10.18 | jelly | Ruum: what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 10:10.24 | Vroomfondle | Ruum: you could X-forward it, but it's better to just use aptitude/apt-get instead |
| 10:10.29 | Vroomfondle | they use the same database. |
| 10:10.32 | gnarface | Ruum: there are easier ways to do what you're trying to do than to use synaptic package manager |
| 10:10.33 | kaduk | babilen, the error is policy-rc.d denied execution of rrestart |
| 10:10.34 | babilen | kaduk: And it did not help? Well, you could backup your /sbin/start-stop-daemon somewhere and copy /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL to /sbin/start-stop-daemon ( have a look at the /sbin/start-stop-daemon script first) |
| 10:11.09 | gnarface | kaduk: you know what's weird? someone was just having this problem in debianppc earlier i think. they fixed it by deleting the policy-rc.d file |
| 10:11.22 | babilen | kaduk: But honestly - Use the kmuto installer for the installation. You will have the option to use ext4 with it (why do you need ext4?) |
| 10:11.24 | kaduk | babilen, both /sbin/start-stop-daemon and REAL are binary files |
| 10:11.57 | kaduk | babilen, I need latest kernel more then ext4 |
| 10:12.18 | Ruum | I am having the same problem as this guy: |
| 10:12.20 | gnarface | reiserfs ftw! |
| 10:12.23 | Ruum | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-lock-varlibdpkglock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable-error.html |
| 10:12.32 | babilen | kaduk: yes, use the kmuto installer |
| 10:12.43 | kaduk | babilen, where to get it? |
| 10:12.50 | smv | i'm trying to create a lvm on a hw raid, but lvcreate hangs for ever. any idea what should i do? |
| 10:12.50 | kaduk | babilen, what is the latest kernel there? |
| 10:12.52 | Ruum | that is what I am trying to do jelly |
| 10:12.56 | babilen | kaduk: I already told you - "/msg dpkg kmuto" |
| 10:13.18 | babilen | kaduk: 2.6.32 IRC |
| 10:14.01 | gnarface | smv: lemme guess, intel "hardware" raid card? |
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| 10:14.24 | gnarface | smv: i4 or i5 or something? |
| 10:14.32 | smv | it's a hp ml 350 g3 server, some cciss thing |
| 10:14.41 | gnarface | smv: i got nothing for you then |
| 10:15.01 | smv | what about those though? |
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| 10:15.30 | Ruum | guys I am tried |
| 10:15.42 | Ruum | I will try this in the morning.... |
| 10:16.03 | gnarface | smv: oh i ran into an issue once where an installer wouldn't recognize dma access on any of the connected drives. striping software raid in PIO mode is effing SLOOOOW. it probably would have finished -- after about 3 weeks. i just didn't have that long to wait. |
| 10:16.09 | Ox90 | o/ smv |
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| 10:16.28 | Ox90 | you having trouble with the ml350? |
| 10:16.38 | hello1 | what it mean upload file to server .i have server document at same machiner server not using VPS ,still i have to upload php files or i can copy paste them? |
| 10:16.39 | gnarface | smv: i ended up discovering it was actually a software raid card. the raid-card equivalent of a winmodem. newer drivers fixed it |
| 10:16.55 | jelly | Ruum: what did the proposed fuser command report? |
| 10:17.20 | Ox90 | smv, are you running RAID 50 on that card? |
| 10:18.08 | Ox90 | i had lots of trouble |
| 10:18.08 | smv | Ox90, did the raid in bios as 1+0 whatever that means, and trying to make a lvm on it |
| 10:18.08 | jelly | !tell smv about proliant |
| 10:18.08 | gnarface | hmm. 1+0 isn't that just pairing? |
| 10:18.08 | Ruum | jelly I am getting the same error as the guy on that website: |
| 10:18.12 | jelly | Ruum: that's not what we asked for. |
| 10:18.14 | smv | i suppose, not sure yet, am new to raid stuff |
| 10:18.44 | jelly | Ruum: <themill> running "fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock" as root will tell you its process ID |
| 10:19.15 | jelly | Ruum: run that command. Does it have any output? It shows which processes keep that file open, if any. |
| 10:19.32 | Ruum | yep |
| 10:19.33 | gnarface | smv: too many things that could be the issue, from drivers to firmware. i do know that striping would take a lot longer than mirroring |
| 10:19.35 | Ruum | :-) |
| 10:19.58 | smv | so then should i just wait? |
| 10:20.14 | Ox90 | how big is the LV? |
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| 10:20.25 | jelly | Ruum: now use ps and other tools to figure out which process it is, and exit it or kill it |
| 10:20.33 | gnarface | smv: no you should dig on google for bug reports related to that specific card and that specific driver. you should also look up firmware updates for the card |
| 10:20.56 | smv | 10G this one, but will have to make a 2G and a 100%FREE one, that will be over 60G i suppose |
| 10:21.10 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/e3epuiGS |
| 10:21.17 | gnarface | smv: if you can boot the system without the raid array, it might help your own diagnostic process to try to mount the drives individually (if that's allowed by the card) and see if they have the same speed issues NOT in raid mode. |
| 10:21.18 | Ruum | that is the output jelly |
| 10:21.53 | Ox90 | smv, did you buy the upgraded memoery for the raid controller? |
| 10:22.00 | jelly | gnarface: cciss is the standard driver for proliant-brand scsi/sas raid controllers. /msg dpkg proliant and www.hp.com will be helpful in locating utilities and uptodate firmware |
| 10:22.03 | smv | the darn thing can't boot of nothing except cd or raid. runing a live squeeze on it now |
| 10:22.14 | gnarface | jelly: tell smv |
| 10:22.20 | jelly | smv: ^^ |
| 10:22.23 | Ruum | guys I gotta go home |
| 10:22.24 | smv | saw it |
| 10:22.34 | Ruum | I am TIRED!!! |
| 10:22.46 | jelly | Ruum: so you have a dpkg process still running. kill it. |
| 10:22.57 | smv | but, how do i do this wile runing from a live cd, as i can;t do anything else? |
| 10:23.14 | gnarface | you know, i've had less trouble setting up software raid across mismatched ide busses than i have off dedicated raid hardware |
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| 10:24.19 | gnarface | something about that seems not right to me |
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| 10:26.24 | gnarface | smv: what's your question? it's a lot more work from a live cd |
| 10:26.32 | gnarface | depending on the live cd |
| 10:26.47 | smv | pvcreate and vgcreate where done in less than a sec. mkfs.ext4 on the what will be /boot was fast and it seems to be ok. only lvcreate hangs. odd thing is, if i kill it, i will have the lV and it will work until some point |
| 10:27.10 | gnarface | i'm no lvm expert, sorry |
| 10:27.41 | smv | am using a live squeeze to boot this server. will install debian using debootstrap. the entire lvm debootstrap thing is quite easy and i've done it dozen times. and never failed. |
| 10:27.56 | smv | is just this stupid controler i think. |
| 10:28.01 | gnarface | sounds like it |
| 10:28.21 | gnarface | check jelly's advice. look up some updated firmware for the controller. it might make a world of difference |
| 10:28.36 | smv | and how do i make that usable on the live cd? |
| 10:28.45 | Ox90 | i had major touble with that controller trying to use lvm through the installer |
| 10:29.06 | Ox90 | i was running the lastest firmware as of 4 months ago |
| 10:29.13 | smv | how you fixed it? |
| 10:29.16 | jelly | smv: you download the latest firmware cd for your machine from hp.com and boot it |
| 10:29.25 | smv | oh. |
| 10:29.45 | Ox90 | installed root partition and converted to LVM |
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| 10:30.14 | Ox90 | sounds like thats the bit thats not working for you though? |
| 10:30.15 | jelly | smv: G3 is quite old, latest supported cd for that machine will probably be 7.90 or 8.10 from around 2008 |
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| 10:30.45 | smv | it doesn't have anything with the bios version, isn't it? as it seems to be the latest one. |
| 10:31.28 | jelly | bios and cciss firmware are separate |
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| 10:32.03 | smv | alright. |
| 10:32.21 | jelly | smv: if you have access to its iLO (lights-out management) ip address, you can check bios firmware version there |
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| 10:32.54 | smv | now, that will be something, but i have no idea how to do that |
| 10:32.56 | jelly | smv: iLO is very nice, remote console and power access, booting from remote .iso images |
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| 10:33.55 | dokma | Is there a way to download all man pages? |
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| 10:36.55 | jefke | hello question, i'm installing a camera (usb) on my notebook, when cat /proc/bus/usb/devices it finds it (still camera (driver:none)), gphoto2 --auto-detect sais: Argus DC-1510 port:usb, however on connecting device it isn't listed in /dev/video0... ? any ideas? |
| 10:36.57 | jelly | smv: also there's separate firmware downloads in form of selfextracting shell scripts |
| 10:37.38 | jelly | smv: feel lucky: http://www.google.com/search?q=ml350+g3+firmware |
| 10:37.41 | smv | jelly, it seems that the link that dpkg gave me related to proliant factoit isn't working |
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| 10:38.22 | jelly | mh, yeah, links to HP's web site are notoriously unreliable |
| 10:38.28 | smv | was about to search myself, but thanks |
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| 10:39.18 | reklipz | Hey folks. When using the gfxpayload=keep option in grub2, the kernel logging messages are displayed properly, but once I am prompted for login (on tty1, no gdm installed), the resolution changes to something different. |
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| 10:39.54 | gnarface | dokma: that's an odd question. anything you install should come with a man page. most the man pages (of some version) are mirrored in multiple places online. you want ALL of them? |
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| 10:40.28 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
| 10:40.34 | dokma | gnarface: yes I'd like to get all of them and convert them to html for my coledge |
| 10:40.52 | jelly | smv: get firmware cd image from http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=3279705&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=316537&swLang=8&taskId=135&swEnvOID=4006 |
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| 10:44.43 | smv | jelly, so should i get that Firmware Maintenance CD 8.0? |
| 10:45.49 | gnarface | dokma: doesn't sound like a quick task. that's a lot of man pages. debian is available however as a multi-cd set from any of the repositories as well as probably a number of torrents. you can download it in full, install it onto something with a REALLY big harddrive, then go about converting the /usr/share/man directories |
| 10:46.25 | gnarface | anyone got a better idea for dokma? i don't know apt well enough to know if there's a way to just 'fetch all man pages' |
| 10:46.56 | gnarface | dokma: are you for real? |
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| 10:48.01 | dokma | yes. I guess I should try to isolate packages that have man pages and then try to download only those |
| 10:48.31 | gnarface | i think they ALL have man pages, if only a slug |
| 10:48.34 | kaduk | If /etc/network/interfaces is deprecated what else should be used? |
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| 10:48.53 | smv | there are plenty of sites that have man pages. why not using those? |
| 10:49.07 | gnarface | kaduk: it's not deprecated?! |
| 10:49.19 | gnarface | is it deprecated?? |
| 10:49.22 | dokma | this is some colledge project and the heads want it |
| 10:49.23 | gnarface | needs another drink |
| 10:49.32 | kaduk | gnarface, when I do restart it says so |
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| 10:49.51 | dokma | interfaces is deprecated? first time I hear that |
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| 10:51.05 | gnarface | dokma: sounds like you have a big task ahead of you, unless someone knows of a free mirror of man pages online that's up-to-date. i know there are a number of public man page mirrors converted to html but i don't know how current they are. i would suspect - not very |
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| 10:51.49 | dokma | gnarface: interesting... I thought it would be a little downloading, a little extracting and a little converting |
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| 10:51.59 | dokma | didn't expect much of a task at all |
| 10:52.10 | gnarface | dokma: well the distro is like more than a dozen cd's.... |
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| 10:52.39 | gnarface | dokma: and that's just one architecture. there are several supported architectures and some of them have packages that aren't in all the others |
| 10:53.22 | gnarface | dokma: your quest brings up an interesting thing though. i'm kindof surprised there isn't an official debian web-mirror of html-formatted man pages |
| 10:53.28 | gnarface | is there one that i just don't know about? |
| 10:53.29 | gnarface | anybody? |
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| 10:55.40 | gnarface | dokma: make sure your college puts that up on a public site. i'm sure it'll be useful to many |
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| 10:56.11 | dokma | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi |
| 10:56.36 | gnarface | haha |
| 10:56.37 | gnarface | there it is |
| 10:57.01 | dokma | yup... task acomplished |
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| 10:57.07 | dokma | fortunately I came to ask here :) |
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| 10:57.39 | superlinux | hi. I want to remove the permissions from a PDF file I downloaded, how? |
| 10:57.48 | gnarface | oh boy |
| 10:57.56 | gnarface | superlinux: you don't REMOVE permissions on a file |
| 10:58.00 | gnarface | you CHANGE them |
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| 10:58.12 | gnarface | and chances are if you downloaded it you shouldn't need to change anything |
| 10:58.14 | nsadmin | yeah, was just gonna say :) |
| 10:59.00 | gnarface | superlinux: ls -l [pdf file name] |
| 10:59.05 | gnarface | what does that show you? |
| 10:59.07 | nsadmin | maybe you could say something about the effect you want |
| 10:59.17 | superlinux | laters |
| 10:59.35 | gnarface | blinks |
| 10:59.52 | gnarface | what was that guy's story? |
| 11:00.04 | hello1 | hiya ns |
| 11:00.07 | nsadmin | who knows... |
| 11:00.10 | craigevil | probably wanted to remove the password on a password protected pdf |
| 11:00.24 | gnarface | aah, i bet |
| 11:00.36 | gnarface | hadn't even thought of it |
| 11:00.43 | gnarface | why would he have come here though? |
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| 11:01.01 | hello1 | whome ? |
| 11:01.05 | gnarface | don't you do that shit on efnet in /#warez or something? |
| 11:01.08 | nsadmin | peepill heer no stupf? |
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| 11:01.35 | hello1 | who ? |
| 11:01.40 | hello1 | talking to me ? |
| 11:02.17 | gnarface | hello1: hi. nobody has talked to you yet |
| 11:02.51 | hello1 | ah okay |
| 11:02.57 | gnarface | how are you today hello1 ? |
| 11:03.00 | hello1 | thought i am invlvd |
| 11:03.08 | hello1 | looking for help |
| 11:03.16 | gnarface | oh? |
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| 11:03.21 | hello1 | but afraid out of courcse of debian |
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| 11:03.30 | hello1 | php is full |
| 11:03.34 | hello1 | over flowed |
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| 11:03.45 | gnarface | well you're invlvd now. and you're right to be afraid. especially if php is full. that's always bad |
| 11:04.02 | untrusted | is there some dock / panel type thing that only displays on one workspace? |
| 11:04.53 | gnarface | untrusted: are you thinking of gkrellm? |
| 11:05.08 | hello1 | what means intut ,upload php.file to webserver ,if i have server on samemachine i cancopy paste,or how to upload.they written it for VPS ? |
| 11:05.38 | gnarface | hello1: we're gonna do a quick test to see if you're not a bot. what's your name? |
| 11:05.52 | untrusted | gnarface: can i put things like the nm-applet in gkrellm? |
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| 11:06.05 | hello1 | aaditya |
| 11:06.30 | gnarface | untrusted: no idea. never used it. what window manager are you on? |
| 11:06.53 | hello1 | hehe am i a bot ?with IQ |
| 11:07.06 | nsadmin | if you're running the server on the same machine as the file is, you could probably copy it into place |
| 11:07.13 | untrusted | gnarface: blackbox |
| 11:07.46 | septic | ifconfig|grep inet6 gives inet6 addr: fe80::21a:a0ff:fed0:8d7f/64 Scope:Link. Why does ping6 fe80::21a:a0ff:fed0:8d7f return connect: Invalid argument? |
| 11:07.47 | hello1 | um thanconfiguring problem,whenwe see blanl index.php page,is it unable to connect to database ? |
| 11:08.47 | lindi- | septic: you have to specify link |
| 11:08.49 | gnarface | hello1: i don't mean to be rude but... english isn't your first language, is it? |
| 11:08.56 | hello1 | yes |
| 11:09.04 | hello1 | blank* |
| 11:09.12 | lindi- | septic: linux can't guess where it should send the packet |
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| 11:09.16 | hello1 | i mis styped,yes there |
| 11:09.31 | septic | lindi-, how do I specify link? |
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| 11:10.02 | gnarface | untrusted: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html |
| 11:10.12 | septic | ping6 -I eth0 |
| 11:10.17 | lindi- | septic: -I I think yes |
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| 11:11.22 | gnarface | hello1: you need to familiarize yourself with php.ini configuration and standard php error reporting, which by default should go into your apache error log |
| 11:11.55 | gnarface | hello1: then you need to figure out if you have the right permissions set up in your mysql grant table |
| 11:12.00 | gnarface | hello1: i still think you are a bot |
| 11:12.39 | hello1 | yes |
| 11:12.41 | hello1 | i am here |
| 11:12.45 | hello1 | listening |
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| 11:13.16 | hello1 | grant all on *.* to |
| 11:13.34 | gnarface | NO |
| 11:13.36 | gnarface | NO NO NO |
| 11:13.37 | gnarface | bad bot |
| 11:14.27 | hello1 | hehe |
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| 11:14.50 | hello1 | funny talks in rooms is okay sometimes?we get refreshed ? |
| 11:15.03 | gnarface | GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE on [database name].* TO [username]@[hostname]; |
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| 11:15.35 | nsadmin | dpkg, are you listening? |
| 11:15.36 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, nsadmin |
| 11:15.55 | gnarface | hello1: never grant more privileges to the php/webserver user than necessary. have a separate shell user for table creation and alteration |
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| 11:16.38 | hello1 | um |
| 11:16.45 | hello1 | newlearning |
| 11:16.55 | gnarface | clearly |
| 11:17.29 | gnarface | ok step 1, hello1: can you log into the mysql console from a terminal? |
| 11:17.38 | hello1 | yes |
| 11:17.51 | hello1 | also to phpmyadmin |
| 11:17.56 | gnarface | ok |
| 11:18.12 | hello1 | now ? |
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| 11:18.34 | poppiez | I can't install php5-memcache via apt-get due to: http://pastebin.com/637rg5NQ. should I do apt-get -f? |
| 11:18.40 | gnarface | now, hello1 you read this page: http://us3.php.net/mysqli |
| 11:18.48 | nsadmin | just so you know... there are other languages besides php, and more databases besides mysql |
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| 11:19.21 | gnarface | nsadmin: don't make it worse. i'm trying to teach a bot to write code. it aspires to be sentient |
| 11:19.27 | gnarface | don't begrudge it that |
| 11:19.48 | kaduk | How to force dhcp to listen only on one interface ? |
| 11:19.50 | kaduk | instead of all? |
| 11:19.55 | hello1 | hehe |
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| 11:20.01 | gnarface | kaduk: it's gotta be in the man page |
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| 11:20.34 | nsadmin | you don't... what you do is define subnets which describe what to listen to |
| 11:20.56 | gnarface | poppiez: seems weird. when's the last time you ran apt-get update? |
| 11:21.07 | kaduk | nsadmin, thanks |
| 11:21.22 | kaduk | nsadmin, you're right:) |
| 11:21.37 | poppiez | gnarface: last night |
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| 11:23.31 | gnarface | poppiez: are you on unstable? |
| 11:24.02 | hello1 | Problem occurred while loading the URL http://us3.php.net/mysqli |
| 11:24.03 | hello1 | Connection terminated unexpectedly |
| 11:24.09 | hello1 | trying and not connecting |
| 11:24.36 | gnarface | hello1: sorry that's a US mirror. my bad: http://www.php.net/mysqli |
| 11:24.48 | poppiez | gnarface: no but I were trying to install php5-memcache 3.0.4-4 last night but that didn't work. I downloaded a deb to my home directory and that was it. in aptitude it thinks it's running 3.0.4-4. how do I go back? |
| 11:25.04 | hello1 | np |
| 11:25.42 | hello1 | um how a server send a activation mail ? |
| 11:25.55 | gnarface | christ you two |
| 11:25.59 | gnarface | these are not debian questions!! |
| 11:26.07 | gnarface | and they are easy to find by reading php.net |
| 11:26.15 | gnarface | go read php.net now! |
| 11:26.26 | hello1 | hehe people will make it php romi must quit asking |
| 11:26.55 | gnarface | poppiez: i suspect something is wrong with your package tree.. maybe you should try the apt-get -f install option |
| 11:27.30 | poppiez | gnarface: I don't think there's anything wrong. I just want to back to the latest stable package and uinstall the unstable one I installed. that must be possible? |
| 11:27.35 | gnarface | poppiez: you might also want to try switching to a different debian mirror and re-running apt-get update. you should NOT have to manually download any packages locally to install them |
| 11:27.57 | gnarface | poppiez: dpkg --purge [package name] |
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| 11:28.13 | gnarface | poppiez: then apt-get install [package name] |
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| 11:28.46 | gnarface | poppiez: but you really might need to switch repositories and/or re-run apt-get update |
| 11:29.10 | poppiez | gnarface: alright. thanks buddy |
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| 11:31.49 | poppiez | gnarface: works :) |
| 11:31.52 | poppiez | thanks again |
| 11:32.15 | nsadmin | if yo['re running anything after etch, consider aptitude |
| 11:32.24 | nsadmin | rather than apt-get |
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| 11:33.45 | poppiez | nsadmin: yeah, I use aptitude frequently too :) |
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| 11:39.00 | nameless` | is latest stable debian include the linux capabilities module ? |
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| 11:39.31 | lindi- | nameless`: what's the name of the module? |
| 11:39.51 | nameless` | must be something like CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES |
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| 11:40.27 | rvsjoen | CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES=y |
| 11:40.29 | lindi- | nameless`: then yes |
| 11:40.31 | rvsjoen | that's in 2.6.30 at least |
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| 11:40.50 | lindi- | nameless`: in stable 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 11:41.21 | nameless` | rvsjoen, so the answer is no ? |
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| 11:42.19 | nameless` | sorry i should have read the config file in my /boot |
| 11:42.21 | nameless` | yes it is |
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| 11:43.18 | kalkin- | hi guys |
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| 11:43.31 | kalkin- | how can i stop aptitude from updating a certain paket on update |
| 11:43.33 | kalkin- | ? |
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| 11:46.31 | babilen | kalkin-: Put it on hold -- "aptitude hold pkg" |
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| 11:46.52 | kalkin- | babilen: ahh thanks |
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| 11:49.12 | kalkin- | babilen: thanks again, it worked |
| 11:49.14 | kalkin- | cu |
| 11:49.16 | kalkin- | exit |
| 11:49.17 | babilen | bye! |
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| 11:59.57 | jelly | smv: yes |
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| 12:02.42 | smv | beside that i've found an exe that will make 4 diskettes. now the stupid thing is that the software is made for windows, so i'm supposed to install windows to get the firmware update. now, lucky me i know how to make the diskettes manually, even from *nix, but this is just plain stupid. |
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| 12:03.34 | kairu0 | smv: which is more obsolete: diskettes or windows? ;) |
| 12:03.41 | smv | starts to hate HP |
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| 12:05.24 | smv | kairu0, diskettes aren't obsolete, that's sure. |
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| 12:06.04 | kairu0 | firmware should be self-booting usb images only |
| 12:06.09 | kairu0 | no more cds, diskettes, or exes |
| 12:06.35 | jelly | smv: burning and booting that firmware cd didn't work|? |
| 12:06.44 | smv | the damn thing does not support usb booting. i was about to go mad when i found out. |
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| 12:07.16 | kairu0 | what model is that |
| 12:07.21 | smv | am still waiting for reply from the other side of the country. don't know yet what's going there. |
| 12:07.27 | smv | hp ml350 g3 |
| 12:08.38 | jelly | smv: too bad, that's exactly where iLO would help if it were set up. |
| 12:08.54 | kairu0 | smv: i have one of those too lol |
| 12:09.29 | smv | kairu0, using lvm on that? |
| 12:09.33 | gnarface | smv: does it have a cdrom drive? |
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| 12:10.08 | Bushmills | smv, a nic with bootrom is often a way around |
| 12:10.45 | smv | gnarface, it does. and i was trying to use the squeeze live to do the lvm and install over debootstrap, but it hang at lvcreate. |
| 12:11.01 | kairu0 | smv: nah its running running windows |
| 12:11.22 | smv | shame on you. :)) |
| 12:11.26 | gnarface | smv: you're trying to boot a new firmware installer right? |
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| 12:12.10 | smv | supposing that on that cd is what i do need, i'm waiting to see what the other guy managed to do there |
| 12:12.58 | gnarface | smv: there's a way to take floppy images and boot a cdrom as a floppy, if you format it just right. very useful for flashing firmware on hardware that has neither floppy or usb boot support |
| 12:13.21 | kairu0 | smv: for the size of the case, that server is cramped and disorganized on the inside |
| 12:14.31 | nameless` | hey can anyone explain me why my memory usage is 963356k over 1026564k that left me with only 63208k free ? i mean there is no big process running, the biggest one d-bus |
| 12:14.44 | nameless` | i get these number with top |
| 12:14.44 | jelly | nameless`: that's how it's supposed to be |
| 12:14.50 | jelly | !tell nameless` about free ram |
| 12:14.54 | smv | gnarface, i know, i've had my time with dos and diskettes some years before switching to cd's. but now i rely on this other guy on the other side, as it's a remote server, and we're both kinda new to this non-working stuff :)) |
| 12:15.30 | nameless` | jelly, go on ? |
| 12:15.34 | Bushmills | nameless`: be glad that it is that way |
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| 12:15.47 | jelly | nameless`: read the message dpkg bot sent you in private |
| 12:15.55 | nameless` | ok |
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| 12:15.57 | Bushmills | means that linux uses the mem, instead of wasting it |
| 12:16.29 | nameless` | ok |
| 12:16.45 | lmaowaffle | hi folks, i've a question: How do I fetch all packages (and dependency packages) of software I already have installed. I lost my package cache, and would like to re-fetch all to build a local repository on the lan |
| 12:16.46 | nameless` | but uses it how ? |
| 12:17.05 | Bushmills | cache, mostly |
| 12:17.17 | nameless` | hum |
| 12:17.22 | alys | I seem to have a windoze wireless card but when I type (as root) 'ifconfig -a' it shows up. Is that all I need? Thank you. |
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| 12:17.42 | nameless` | ok cool |
| 12:17.52 | alys | I should have said it shows up as 'wlan0'.... |
| 12:18.54 | nameless` | alys > what do you want to know ? if your wireless card work ? |
| 12:19.38 | alys | Yes - I cannot seem to get a connection - sorry.... |
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| 12:20.09 | alys | I have thought of using ndiswrapper and the drivers that come with the CD ROM |
| 12:20.12 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Why don't you use something like apt-cacher(-ng) or apt-proxy? |
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| 12:20.32 | Bushmills | alys, wpa_supplicant? |
| 12:20.45 | alys | I'll try - thanks a lot.... |
| 12:21.00 | lmaowaffle | babilen: I use apt-move atm (wajig move) and it works fine - it's not terribly inconvenient |
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| 12:21.29 | nameless` | alys " I cannot seem to get a connection" how did you detect that ? |
| 12:21.41 | nameless` | alys you can scan the networks ? |
| 12:21.42 | lmaowaffle | babilen: and the hosting server does not run debian |
| 12:21.54 | lmaowaffle | it's freebsd, in fact |
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| 12:22.24 | Bushmills | combination of wpa_supplicant, iwconfig and dhclient should connect you to most. wpa/wpa2 keys, PSK, assumed |
| 12:22.28 | alys | nameless: thanks a lot. At present I seem only to have connection via eth0 - that's no problem, but it would be nice to have wireless as an alternative |
| 12:22.39 | zealiod | does debian accept all vlan 802.11q tagged as standard? |
| 12:22.46 | nameless` | alys > try iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 12:22.46 | zealiod | @packets |
| 12:22.54 | nameless` | aly> tell me if it shows up some result |
| 12:23.00 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Well - Can't think of a good way to re-get .debs of all installed packages now ... I'll let you know when I think of something |
| 12:23.01 | jelly | zealiod: if the hardware and the drivers support it, yes |
| 12:23.03 | nameless` | alys > if it does, your driver works well |
| 12:23.13 | jelly | zealiod: install package "vlan" |
| 12:23.36 | nameless` | alys > don't forget to up your interface before ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 12:24.05 | alys | nameless: "no scan results' - I guess it is back to the drawing board - thanks a lot for your help. I shall look at the modem router.... |
| 12:24.16 | zealiod | jelly: thanks excellent - i think that package is installed already... I've configured my card to have a vlan id of 101 and I can get a IP fine from the debian box |
| 12:24.48 | nameless` | alys> pastebin the result of the iwconfig wlan0 |
| 12:24.54 | zealiod | jelly: is there a command i can run to 'ping' a certain vlan... i'm trying to identify where traffic is coming from |
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| 12:26.11 | alys | nameless: I don't know how to 'pastebin' but when I checked wlan0 the first two lines are: |
| 12:26.14 | alys | Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1F:1F:7A:6E:66 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 12:26.20 | jelly | zealiod: it doesn't work that way. You create one (virtual) interface for each vlan in the trunk, that is, set up eg. eth0.50, eth0.101, etc. in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:27.12 | jelly | zealiod: after eth0.101 has a configured IP, you can use it like a normal interface. Make sure the parent physical iface is _not_ configured with an ip. |
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| 12:27.20 | nameless` | alys > you didn't do the iwconfig command |
| 12:27.30 | alys | I think I shall have my modem router checked - and use ethernet in the meantime. Thanks a lot for your help |
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| 12:28.29 | jelly | zealiod: you can use a sniffer on the physical interface to take a look at network traffic (that should include vlan tagging) |
| 12:28.32 | alys | nameless: this is the iwconfig: |
| 12:28.39 | zealiod | jelly: ok, so currently all tagged packets are accepted on the interface eth1, but if i want to route the vlan traffic in a certain way i create virtual interfaces. |
| 12:28.51 | alys | IEEE 802.11bgn Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=13 dBm Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off |
| 12:29.01 | lmaowaffle | babilen: thanks |
| 12:29.23 | zealiod | jelly: is the default nature of the card to accept all vlan traffic (if that module is of course installed) |
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| 12:30.20 | jelly | zealiod: yes. Configure the trunk on the port this machine is connected to, if you wish to limit the visible vlans. |
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| 12:31.24 | zealiod | jelly: so, if i configure the interfaces file and define eth1.101 then all the other vlans wont be accepted unless I explicitly declare them? |
| 12:31.30 | nameless` | i've got a stable debian but i would like to install an unstable packet (firmware-ralink) |
| 12:31.43 | nameless` | do i have to modify my all sources.list to migrate to unstable ? |
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| 12:32.51 | lindi- | nameless`: bad idea |
| 12:33.25 | nameless` | lindi-, so how do i install that package ? |
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| 12:33.53 | nameless` | ok i found |
| 12:34.00 | nameless` | i added the non-free source |
| 12:34.09 | craigevil | actually it shouldnt be a problem, just download it and use dpkg -i to install it |
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| 12:34.25 | lindi- | well it's non-free :( |
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| 12:34.59 | jelly | zealiod: only traffic tagged as vlan id 101 will be visible on eth1.101. All incoming traffic will still be seen on eth1 (with eg. tcpdump). You need to configure the port on the switch. |
| 12:35.20 | zealiod | jelly: yeah, the port on the switch is configured |
| 12:35.43 | jelly | zealiod: if you only have vlan id 101 allowed on the switch, that's what you'll get |
| 12:36.22 | zealiod | jelly: what im trying to achieve is to tell which mac/ip is on a vlan... of course there could be multiple mac/ip on one vlan... can you suggest a way of doing this? |
| 12:37.09 | jelly | zealiod: sniff the traffic on that vlan? |
| 12:37.21 | zealiod | jelly: whats the technique for that? |
| 12:37.37 | jelly | zealiod: use a sniffer like tcpdump or wireshark. Or better, ask the network admin |
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| 12:37.52 | magesing | Hi everyone, I'm trying to install adobe flash on a 64bit system (my banking website does not work with the free flash plugins). When I try to install flashplugin-nonfree from backports it tells me ``ERROR: 64 bit player temporarily not supported'' When I look at the wiki it talks about a workaround involving nspluginwrapper. When I do an aptitude search nspluginwrapper I get nothing.... not in the repos. I have installed. What is the |
| 12:38.19 | abrotman | !tell magesing about adobe flash |
| 12:38.47 | zealiod | jelly: it's as part of a process to authenticate a user... i don't really want to sniff all the time... just run a .sh script with a mac parameter and it return the VLAN ID |
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| 12:39.34 | jelly | zealiod: what are you really trying to do, and why would the vlan tag change. |
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| 12:40.14 | zealiod | jelly: i have a captured portal which presents people with a portal when they use firefox or whatever |
| 12:40.30 | zealiod | jelly: depending on there vlan it will show a different portal |
| 12:40.52 | jelly | and you don't know which vlan to use? |
| 12:40.59 | zealiod | jelly: but to do that, i need to get the vlan id, of course i have the users mac and ip from the http headers |
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| 12:41.31 | zealiod | jelly: in short: i need to know what vlanid the user is connected to on the network |
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| 12:41.50 | jelly | zealiod: and there are overlapping ip addresses? |
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| 12:42.02 | jelly | zealiod: why not have each network use a specific ip range. |
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| 12:42.28 | nameless` | i can't get my wireless card working, it's a ralink 3090 |
| 12:42.38 | nameless` | find everywhere, but nothing shows up |
| 12:42.59 | zealiod | jelly: well, for example, a 400 bedroom hotel, providing hardwired ethernet ports would require 400 vlans. that way you can identify the traffic from each room and charge the room for their bandwidth |
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| 12:43.42 | zealiod | jelly: i can;t use SNMP... because the swtiches are already configured across the chain for vlan 802 |
| 12:43.43 | jelly | zealiod: well, usage of vlans that way doesn't scale. |
| 12:44.00 | zealiod | jelly: i've seen it used |
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| 12:44.17 | zealiod | jelly: there's 4000+ vlans available |
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| 12:44.44 | jelly | still it's ugly |
| 12:45.12 | jelly | try ##networking channel |
| 12:45.18 | babilen | lmaowaffle: What about "aptitude download ~i" ? |
| 12:45.23 | magesing | irc noob question... how do I ask the bot about dmm? |
| 12:45.48 | jelly | zealiod: your hardware may not support 400+ vlans |
| 12:46.15 | zealiod | jelly: the hardwares fine |
| 12:46.16 | moldovean | magesing, /msg dpkg dmm |
| 12:46.29 | zealiod | jelly: current i'm just testing a proof of concept with oe |
| 12:46.31 | zealiod | *on |
| 12:46.36 | jelly | zealiod: I know drivers for HP servers have a limit of 64 vlan ids. |
| 12:47.07 | zealiod | well, I dont need to configure every vlan |
| 12:47.17 | zealiod | jelly: just read the tag on the packet coming in |
| 12:47.27 | jelly | zealiod: so use a custom sniffer. |
| 12:47.33 | zealiod | jelly: ok |
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| 12:48.30 | jelly | no need to set up vlans at all, then, if you jsut take note of the traffic and don't route it nor accept it |
| 12:48.39 | magesing | moldovean thanks. |
| 12:49.09 | moldovean | np |
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| 12:50.23 | lmaowaffle | babilen: thanks. I gave it a shot, and I got a few E: No download files for ~i version 1.20; perhaps it is a local or obsolete package |
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| 12:50.47 | lmaowaffle | babilen: some of theme are: I have rxvt-unicode patched with 256 colors, and build from deb-sources |
| 12:50.52 | zealiod | jelly: can you suggest a tool? |
| 12:51.01 | lmaowaffle | babilen: and some gtk themes from ubuntu debs |
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| 12:51.43 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Which are surely not available in the Debian repositories and therefore not downloadable for aptitude ... should be fine though |
| 12:51.53 | lmaowaffle | babilen: unfortunately aptitude -v doesn't give me the packge name |
| 12:52.02 | lmaowaffle | babilen: but it halts there |
| 12:52.03 | magesing | O.K. I followed dpkg's instructions, and installed the debian-multimedia lenny repo. Now when I try to install flashplayer-mozilla I get an unmet dependancy error for nspluginwrapper: flashplayer-mozilla: Depends: nspluginwrapper which is a virtual package. |
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| 12:52.17 | magesing | Is there some other repo. I need to install to get nspluginwrapper? |
| 12:52.20 | lmaowaffle | babilen: i don't want to use -f unless it's absolutely necessary |
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| 12:52.50 | craigevil | magesing: you need to have contrib in your stable line, stable main contrib |
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| 12:53.01 | magesing | craigevil: thanks |
| 12:53.13 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Ok, you might want to use something like "aptitude download ~i~Astable" then (which will only download packages in lenny) |
| 12:53.35 | themill | craigevil, magesing: oe better, "lenny main contrib" (use "lenny" rather than "stable") |
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| 12:54.08 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Or figure out a better search term â http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 12:54.18 | magesing | craigevil: that worked, thanks. |
| 12:54.21 | lmaowaffle | babilen: that limited it somewhat (to testing, which I have) but it still won't fetch :( |
| 12:54.28 | jelly | zealiod: this would involve some programming, or one could make a crude version to invoke tcpdump and parse its output if it's good enough |
| 12:54.30 | lmaowaffle | babilen: hah. yeah, i think that'll be required |
| 12:54.35 | lmaowaffle | babilen: thanks anyway :) |
| 12:54.47 | zealiod | jelly: im going for that now.... thanks! |
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| 12:56.19 | datacrusher | hello everyone, im trying to install nvidia drivers on debian 64, following this topic - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52003&p=306559&hilit=nvidia+gcc+version#p306559 is there another way? |
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| 13:00.39 | jelly | datacrusher: which debian release |
| 13:01.15 | datacrusher | 2.6.26-2 5.0.5 |
| 13:01.19 | jelly | datacrusher: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 13:01.58 | jelly | datacrusher: the forum thread is for the current testing release, not what you have. |
| 13:02.14 | OpenTokix | datacrusher: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant <-- i always use this method. |
| 13:02.28 | datacrusher | hm. im using amd64 |
| 13:02.36 | datacrusher | ill try that OpenTokix |
| 13:02.53 | OpenTokix | datacrusher: fyi, im using amd64 to |
| 13:03.44 | datacrusher | OpenTokix, could find nvidia-kernel-common, with repo is it? |
| 13:04.06 | OpenTokix | datacrusher: you have to enable non-free |
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| 13:05.23 | datacrusher | hm, ill add it here |
| 13:05.35 | datacrusher | can i just copy the line with main, and add non-free? |
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| 13:07.16 | datacrusher | or just add non-free to the end of the line? |
| 13:07.38 | OpenTokix | add non-free to end of line |
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| 13:10.06 | datacrusher | hmm still got no nvidia-kernel-common, after apt-get update / upgrade |
| 13:10.28 | datacrusher | i got a line warning that i dont got the package, but its referenced by other ones |
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| 13:12.52 | moldovean | , versions nvidia-kernel-common |
| 13:12.53 | judd | nvidia-kernel-common -- etch/contrib: 20051028+1; lenny/contrib: 20080825+1; sid/contrib: 20100522+1; squeeze/contrib: 20100522+1 |
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| 13:13.36 | moldovean | datacrusher, see "contrib" |
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| 13:23.38 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 13:23.58 | apt_get | When debian 6.0 will be stable? in octubre? |
| 13:24.04 | babilen | !wwsr |
| 13:24.04 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
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| 13:25.49 | apt_get | Hmmm |
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| 13:25.57 | apt_get | any idea? |
| 13:26.07 | babilen | apt_get: Read what dpkg just said |
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| 13:26.49 | apt_get | Yes |
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| 13:27.00 | apt_get | but have an 'idea' its for humans |
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| 13:27.11 | apt_get | only a idea |
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| 13:27.24 | babilen | I don't expect squeeze to be released in October |
| 13:27.27 | moldovean | !tell apt_get -about why aptitude |
| 13:27.35 | babilen | hehe ;) |
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| 13:28.42 | apt_get | u're so funny |
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| 13:30.33 | jordanm | you're |
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| 13:30.53 | babilen | apt_get: You might want to take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ , read http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/ and check https://buildd.debian.org/transitions/summary.html |
| 13:31.03 | apt_get | thanks |
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| 13:31.37 | babilen | apt_get: We can't tell you when Squeeze is going to be released as it hasn't even been frozen yet |
| 13:31.51 | smv | so, i finally managed to update the firmware of the raid controler, but in the end "lvcreate -L 10G -n rootlv sysvg" still hangs. with ps aux | grep lvcreate i get: "root 3690 0.0 0.6 15080 13532 pts/1 S<L+ 13:26 0:00 lvcreate -L 10G -n rootlv sysvg" how safe/unsafe will it be if i kill it? |
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| 13:39.16 | datacrusher | moldovean, iv done it as the documment, everythig went fine. now with nvidia driver i got x running, but my biggest resolution is 640, thers no mention about this on the troubleshooting section of the document, any clues? |
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| 13:42.46 | moldovean | try xrandr |
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| 13:43.29 | lilib | hi |
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| 13:43.53 | jordanm | datacrusher: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log; are you using the new driver? |
| 13:44.03 | lilib | i am looking for small easy https proxy with speed shapping |
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| 13:44.11 | lilib | any advice? |
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| 13:46.54 | datacrusher | jordanm, http://pastebin.com/cRgt6kMZ |
| 13:46.58 | jalalsfs | If I install the testing version from debian in my descktop how many megabytes I need to update everyday? |
| 13:47.25 | jordanm | jalalsfs: that changes daily... |
| 13:47.53 | jordanm | and we have no idea what packages you have installed, when the maintainers plan to upload new versions of packages, etc |
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| 13:48.28 | jalalsfs | I want just gnome and a few packages. |
| 13:48.30 | homie | can someone tell me why i get two different outputs for the environment here http://codepaste.net/oyvwjv ? |
| 13:48.42 | homie | one is from R the other konsole |
| 13:48.53 | homie | and LC_ALL is exported globally and in my .bahsrc |
| 13:49.11 | jordanm | datacrusher: driver is fine, fails to detect your display: (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 640 x 480 |
| 13:49.31 | datacrusher | is there a way to manually set this? i use a standard lg 15 lcd monitor |
| 13:49.53 | jordanm | datacrusher: does xrandr display the wanted resolution? |
| 13:50.51 | zebradog | jalalsfs, gnome is not a few packages |
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| 13:51.36 | datacrusher | xrandr - "cant open display" |
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| 13:51.49 | moldovean | datacrusher, as user |
| 13:52.19 | datacrusher | sorry, it wont work on the tty :) |
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| 13:52.32 | moldovean | on X |
| 13:52.36 | datacrusher | well, on gnome i got wrong resolutions, only 320 and 640 |
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| 13:53.07 | jordanm | datacrusher: did you run xrandr with the same user as in the X session? |
| 13:53.23 | jordanm | datacrusher: did you try to run it outside of X? |
| 13:53.42 | datacrusher | jordanm, on both |
| 13:53.44 | moldovean | generate a new X > X -configure :1 |
| 13:53.55 | datacrusher | on tty i got nothing, on x i got just this 2 resolutions |
| 13:54.09 | datacrusher | moldovean, sorry? |
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| 13:54.35 | jordanm | moldovean: he should be using nvidia-xconfig instead |
| 13:54.55 | moldovean | oh |
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| 13:56.08 | datacrusher | thats what iv last done, nvidia-xconfig |
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| 13:56.20 | datacrusher | it generated a new xorg.conf file, witch im using now |
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| 13:58.34 | datacrusher | well, i got exactly two equal pcs, running debian. one of them i got all the xrandr right, but iv copyed the xorg.conf from the working to the new one still no sucess |
| 13:58.41 | jordanm | datacrusher: try nvidia-xconfig wi[C[C[C[Cth --virtual=WIDTHxHEIGHT |
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| 13:59.04 | jordanm | sorry about the odd chchars, my shell is lagging |
| 13:59.13 | Justin | datacrusher: your video cable plugged in all the way? |
| 13:59.50 | datacrusher | Justin, are you serius? :D |
| 13:59.54 | Justin | yes |
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| 14:00.16 | datacrusher | well, it is. i can use the tty just fine, and the x works, but 640 |
| 14:00.41 | Justin | I didn't ask if it was in, I asked if it was in all the way |
| 14:00.44 | datacrusher | not just plugged, but the screws are there too |
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| 14:00.50 | Justin | oh, oh well |
| 14:00.52 | keith4 | any way to see the current settings that have been set by tune2fs? |
| 14:00.53 | datacrusher | just checked the screws |
| 14:01.14 | datacrusher | jordanm, what will be the correct command then? |
| 14:01.39 | datacrusher | Justin, i thought about this too, maybe it couldnt recognize well the monitor, but the connections are well attatched |
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| 14:02.11 | Justin | it has happened to me a number of times, loose cable.. video comes up, but at 640x480 |
| 14:02.26 | Justin | the DDC stuff must use different pins |
| 14:02.47 | tom | I get "-bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable" when I ssh as my user, but ulimit -u says that max user processes is 220 and i have < 50 running. it works when i log in as root and then use su. what could be the problem? |
| 14:03.44 | homie | ssh is using some other user account ? |
| 14:03.49 | homie | is run as nobody ? |
| 14:04.03 | datacrusher | what gives me the plug, is that i got a identically pc here, (the one im talking here right now) that got the same monitor, and is all fine. but i dunno how do replicate other video configuration there besides the xorg.conf file |
| 14:04.17 | tom | homie: it seems to be running as root according to ps |
| 14:04.33 | datacrusher | actually both are now with the same xorg.conf, but that one gives me 640x |
| 14:04.33 | tom | homie: /usr/sbin/sshd at least |
| 14:04.40 | moldovean | datacrusher, then run nvidia-xconfig on that machine (not use the copied one xorg.conf) |
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| 14:04.48 | tom | homie: and root does not have a user process limit (unlimited) |
| 14:04.53 | datacrusher | moldovean, ill do that |
| 14:05.54 | datacrusher | moldovean, same thing. xradr gives me the maximum as 640 |
| 14:06.13 | moldovean | datacrusher, use the same monitor on both pc ? |
| 14:06.14 | datacrusher | is there a way to mannually set this maximum? or tell nvidia-xconfig to use 1280x1024 ? |
| 14:06.17 | datacrusher | no moldovean |
| 14:06.20 | datacrusher | just equal hardware |
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| 14:06.49 | Justin | datacrusher: if it is only coming up in 640x480 then something is wrong. forcing it wont help |
| 14:06.58 | datacrusher | monitors are lg - l1753ts |
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| 14:07.27 | datacrusher | well, iv followed this - http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant |
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| 14:07.50 | Justin | post the xorg log from both machines |
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| 14:09.01 | datacrusher | ok, just a sec |
| 14:09.41 | datacrusher | odd, the one thats working got no X logs |
| 14:09.43 | aleray | is this a valid logrotate script? http://dpaste.com/220503/ |
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| 14:10.52 | datacrusher | is there a way to force back to log X ? |
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| 14:11.27 | Justin | what? |
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| 14:12.52 | tom | ok so when i set the nproc process limit to 200, i can't log in (setuid: Resource temporarily unavailable), when i set nproc to 250 then it works. however, i only have 50 processes running according to ps. how can that be? |
| 14:12.55 | datacrusher | i got no Xorg.x.xxx on /var/log |
| 14:13.10 | datacrusher | the new machine i have, even posted - http://pastebin.com/cRgt6kMZ |
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| 14:14.21 | datacrusher | telling the big picture. this server has separated partitions, wich / is on its limits, iv deleted some logs a few weeks ago, maybe it wont log because of it |
| 14:14.29 | datacrusher | im making the new server to kill this problem |
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| 14:15.06 | datacrusher | are exactly equal machines, fresh install the other one, but nvidia driver is killing me there, besides on this one thats online driver is fine |
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| 14:16.31 | hello1 | hello |
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| 14:16.39 | hello1 | ping debian |
| 14:16.50 | Justin | datacrusher: "The EDID read for display device CRT-0 is invalid" |
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| 14:16.53 | datacrusher | isnt there a way to force the depth modes ? i dont care for compiz |
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| 14:17.12 | datacrusher | Justin, hmmm ill change the monitors for a test |
| 14:17.18 | Justin | cables too |
| 14:17.23 | datacrusher | cables |
| 14:17.28 | datacrusher | ill do the cable dance first |
| 14:18.18 | datacrusher | how do i force detection, must i reboot the entire pc or its detected on x start? |
| 14:18.18 | Justin | restart X |
| 14:18.18 | datacrusher | oh ok |
| 14:18.18 | datacrusher | ill do that! |
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| 14:18.19 | Justin | datacrusher: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=93623&page=2 |
| 14:18.50 | hello | hello |
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| 14:19.17 | hello | there is another method to deiver mail from email server exim with dynampic ip ? |
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| 14:20.00 | bent_screwdriver | anyone here use voyage os? |
| 14:20.18 | hello | bone4u@yahoo.co.in R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection: host in32.mxauth.yahoo.com [202.86.5.24]: 553 Mail from 117.254.42.229 not allowed - 5.7.1 [BL23] Connections not accepted from IP addresses on Spamhaus XBL; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/550-bl23.html [550] |
| 14:20.24 | hello | i got this error |
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| 14:23.27 | datacrusher | Justin, ill read it. changed first the cables, same issue |
| 14:23.34 | datacrusher | tryed another monitor, still no go |
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| 14:24.38 | jordanm | hello: well, you have been blacklisted it looks like |
| 14:25.12 | jordanm | hello: you should verify the security of your mail server, and check it for an open relay |
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| 14:30.33 | hello | um sorry was away |
| 14:30.37 | hello | in exim room |
| 14:30.46 | datacrusher | Justin, very nice! is there a way to export the .bin for the EDID i got on this pc to the other one? |
| 14:30.52 | hello | i have dynamic IP |
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| 14:31.20 | hello | and found only via other Know ISP ican send mails |
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| 14:34.20 | Justin | datacrusher: probably |
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| 14:34.41 | hello | um, |
| 14:35.23 | jelly | datacrusher: try asking #xorg (or #debian-x on irc.oftc.net) |
| 14:35.51 | datacrusher | thanks, ill do that |
| 14:35.55 | jelly | datacrusher: if you find a way, can you report the solution |
| 14:36.29 | datacrusher | surely |
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| 14:36.39 | datacrusher | i found this too- http://analogbit.com/node/23 |
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| 14:36.48 | datacrusher | looks theres no edid export app for 64 |
| 14:37.20 | datacrusher | ill have to use a windowze app here on the other pc to export the edid from the monitor to a .bin file, and set it on the debian machine |
| 14:37.23 | Pro| | Need free spotify invite? Join this group! Join this group to get spotify invite immediately! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Spotify-Invite-For-Free/144511262232985?ref=ts |
| 14:37.30 | stayb | where can i adjust my tft resolution (configfile) got nvidia mx440 and 1920x1080p. on every startup it started with this resolution, but now it starts with 800x600 and i can only use that ... |
| 14:38.08 | thewanderer1 | stayb, /etc/X11/xorg.conf I suppose |
| 14:38.59 | datacrusher | oops, nvidia settings has a way to export it too |
| 14:39.03 | datacrusher | ill give a shot |
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| 14:43.37 | superlinux | i have some PDF's which I want to enable the text copy-paste in them, they are disabled and and allowed, how? |
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| 14:47.21 | thewanderer1 | superlinux, open them with Okular |
| 14:47.49 | thewanderer1 | if they are not compressed, just call `strings my.pdf` and you get the whole text out of it |
| 14:48.04 | superlinux | خ٠|
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| 14:48.07 | superlinux | ok |
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| 14:49.33 | superlinux | ok |
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| 14:49.56 | root__ | according to cat /proc/version it looks like the debian version is set to 4.1 or 2.6 but /etc/debian_version says 5.0 and lsb_release {reads /etc/debian_version?} says 5.0 so what debian version do i have ? |
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| 14:51.24 | ecolitan_ | what happens to hosts that are in both hosts.allow and hosts.deny ? |
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| 14:52.06 | jordanm | root__: we sometimes call that frankendebian. lets see the output of: apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt |
| 14:52.10 | babilen | root__: Your Debian version is 5.0 - /proc/version gives you the kernel and gcc version |
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| 14:52.44 | babilen | root__: Paste the requested output to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 14:52.53 | root__ | babilen so the (debian) in the /proc/version is only the build stamp ? |
| 14:53.22 | johaBBa | hi. i am trying to force group write permission in one directory and only that one directory. I have set the group sticy bit and the umask that makes it work for ALL locations |
| 14:53.27 | johaBBa | how do i restrict that to just one dir? |
| 14:54.06 | root__ | libc6 is Installed: 2.7-18lenny4 |
| 14:54.14 | root__ | so lenny == 5. ok.... |
| 14:54.40 | root__ | did anyone fix pastebinit.py yet ? |
| 14:54.52 | moldovean | dpkg, tell root__ -about bitchx |
| 14:55.00 | jordanm | root__: yes, but my changes were not accepted |
| 14:55.49 | jordanm | or... the maintainer will fix it when he feels like it (never) |
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| 14:56.44 | DusteD | Is usr/bin/curl normally installed with debian, or is it something the user has to install ? |
| 14:56.54 | DusteD | I'm talking about the usual desktop install |
| 14:57.30 | root__ | jordanm so the package is still "unusable" as is ? |
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| 14:58.51 | moldovean | it works |
| 14:59.04 | DusteD | I'm writing a program that needs very simple http functionality, ( POST data to an URL via HTTP ), and I'm wondering if I should use the curl binary or wget |
| 14:59.55 | thewanderer1 | DusteD, curl |
| 14:59.58 | petemc | curl would be more popular for that kind of task |
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| 15:00.34 | root__ | DusteD probably curl more flexable. |
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| 15:00.53 | DusteD | okay :) |
| 15:00.56 | root__ | not that wget couldnt be used |
| 15:01.02 | lweight | hello |
| 15:01.20 | tdn | I need to copy a large file (>4GB) to a friend's iPod. But the iPod cannot have large files. So I need to split it. How do I do this? I know I can use 'split', but then she cannot restore the file in Windows. So I was thinking about zipsplit, but it seems that it does not support files >2GB. What to do? |
| 15:01.23 | DusteD | root__, it could, just wondering if the curl binary is normally installed, or if I'd need users to install it ? |
| 15:01.40 | hello | hello |
| 15:01.43 | DusteD | because I know wget is available on just about anything that smells like nix |
| 15:01.47 | hello | calling me ?? |
| 15:02.08 | lweight | I have another Lenny package problem. Lack of ghostscript-cups in Lenny means I can't install hplip-cups (for my HP printer), and I can't easily build ghostscript-cups from sid due to a bunch of other deps. |
| 15:02.43 | lweight | Anyone familiar with ghostscript cups filters? |
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| 15:03.49 | jelly | now do I tell update-notifier in squeeze that yes, I know I installed a newer kernel and need to reboot, and not to %^$# nag me every half an hour again and again?! |
| 15:04.00 | hello | naah me not |
| 15:04.04 | lweight | and do most people run something other than Lenny? I keep finding lots of stuff missing and not even in backports |
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| 15:04.25 | babilen | ,versions hplip-cups |
| 15:04.27 | judd | hplip-cups -- lenny-backports: 3.10.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.10.5-4; squeeze: 3.10.5-4 |
| 15:04.44 | babilen | lweight: Just install it from backports - /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:04.47 | tpocra | My OS is installed onto encrypted LVM2 root logical volume, and I switched motherboards so therefore controllers, and it cannot find the volume group... I think it might be a missing driver for the new controller in the initrd, how can I test for this? |
| 15:05.01 | themill | lweight: there's nothing wrong with those packages in lenny. I have them installed here. |
| 15:05.17 | root__ | DusteD short answer curl is not a default install package on several popular distros |
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| 15:05.21 | lweight | The following packages have unmet dependencies. hplip-cups: Depends: ghostscript-cups but it is not installable |
| 15:05.25 | lweight | E: Broken packages |
| 15:05.33 | lweight | I have backports configured in sources.list |
| 15:05.38 | themill | dpkg: tell lweight about bat |
| 15:05.59 | themill | lweight: you need to provide us with plenty more information than that. Please do so in a pastebin. |
| 15:06.02 | DusteD | root__, thanks, that what I was going after :) I'll see if it'd be easy enough to use wget instead then, don't want to add another dep if I can avoid it :) |
| 15:06.15 | lweight | themill: OK, will do, thanks |
| 15:06.20 | root__ | yw |
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| 15:08.52 | lweight | themill: http://paste.debian.net/81074/ |
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| 15:12.30 | themill | lweight: the output of "apt-cache policy ghostscript-cups" woud be handy too |
| 15:12.53 | babilen | Hmm, hplip-cups from bpo does indeed depend on ghostscript-cups (which is not available) ... wonder what they've done there |
| 15:13.06 | babilen | ,versions ghostscript-cups |
| 15:13.08 | judd | ghostscript-cups -- sid: 8.71~dfsg2-3; squeeze: 8.71~dfsg2-3 |
| 15:13.36 | lweight | themill: http://paste.debian.net/81076/ |
| 15:13.52 | jordanm | root__: its not "unusable"... just 90% unusable or so |
| 15:14.04 | babilen | ,depends hplip-cups --release lenny-backports |
| 15:14.06 | judd | hplip-cups -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcups2 (>= 1.3.8), libcupsimage2 (>= 1.3.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libhpmud0, libjpeg62, libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), ghostscript-cups, cups (>= 1.4.0) | cupsddk, cups-client. |
| 15:15.11 | jordanm | root__: see #572728 |
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| 15:15.17 | themill | now wonders how he got this package installed.... |
| 15:15.51 | themill | lweight: do you actually need this package btw? Most HP printers don't need the newer package from bpo at all -- the stuff in lenny works just fine. |
| 15:15.55 | babilen | themill: You probably backported ghostscript-cups yourself ... ;-\ |
| 15:15.58 | themill | (hell, the stuff in etch works just fine) |
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| 15:17.03 | nettezzaumana | hi there |
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| 15:17.20 | babilen | nettezzaumana: welcome |
| 15:17.41 | lweight | themill: when I print to a HP Laserjet 5550n all the text formatting is messed up - sort of compressed/squashed |
| 15:18.39 | lweight | themill: also not sure what you mean by newer package from bpo - is hplip-cups a new thing? should there be something else in lenny to do the same? |
| 15:18.47 | babilen | lweight: http://www.openprinting.org/printers |
| 15:19.01 | themill | lweight: have you installed the "hplip" package? |
| 15:19.13 | mo_o | hey guys! i have a prob with svn. everytime i connect to our svn server it bitches about the certificate. i know that the certificate is not okay but i'm not in charge to fix that. is there an option to make svn just "ignore" that? it always asks if i want to accept the certificate and i always chose "permanently" but next time the msg comes up again and again... |
| 15:19.15 | themill | ,info hplip |
| 15:19.17 | judd | hplip (utils, optional): HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). Version: 2.8.6.b-4; Size: 232.1k; Installed: 692k; Homepage: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/hplip |
| 15:19.39 | nettezzaumana | how can i on Linux copy partition table from one disk to another .. like on solaris `prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c1t0d0s2 | fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c1t1d0s2` ? |
| 15:19.45 | lweight | themill: I installed hplip, but thought I needed hplip-cups for it to work with cups? |
| 15:19.54 | themill | lweight: not at all |
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| 15:21.07 | lweight | ah |
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| 15:21.19 | lweight | so I've been struggling to install something I don't need? |
| 15:21.20 | lweight | heh |
| 15:21.33 | cantido | nettezzaumana: sfdisk IIRC |
| 15:21.39 | nettezzaumana | cantido: thanks |
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| 15:22.18 | cantido | nettezzaumana: read one partition table with sfdisk and pipe it into another sfdisk that is writing |
| 15:23.06 | lweight | gah |
| 15:23.14 | themill | lweight: probably... as long as the hplip in lenny supports your printer. See also http://lists.backports.org/lurker-bpo/message/20100720.222219.0d714dd4.en.html btw |
| 15:23.22 | zinx | gragh, any word on Iceweasel 3.5.7 in sid? fixes multiple critical vulnerabilities (remote arbitrary code execution) |
| 15:23.30 | lweight | still printing messed up - test page fills 1/4 of A4 with everything squashed up |
| 15:23.53 | themill | lweight: did you configure cups to use the hplip driver? |
| 15:24.09 | zinx | erh, 3.6.7 |
| 15:25.01 | themill | zinx: the plan is to ship squeeze with 3.5.x |
| 15:25.02 | zinx | erh it's already there o_O |
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| 15:25.12 | zinx | themill: couldn't care less about squeeze :P |
| 15:25.20 | lweight | ahh |
| 15:25.35 | lweight | themill: running through config again |
| 15:25.36 | themill | zinx: but that should also tell you that 3.6 is not even in sid yet. |
| 15:25.56 | zinx | ah, it's in experimental, not sid |
| 15:25.59 | zinx | themill: erh, yes it is? |
| 15:26.07 | themill | ,versions iceweasel |
| 15:26.08 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; sid: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 15:26.27 | zinx | perhaps i'm using the experimental one |
| 15:26.35 | themill | perhaps you are indeed... |
| 15:26.50 | zinx | i probably needed it for something :/ |
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| 15:27.35 | pif | hi, how do I change the order of my grub boot kernels? |
| 15:28.07 | babilen | pif: Why would you want to do that? |
| 15:28.15 | jordanm | pif: you can change the default, but I believe the list is always generated based on version |
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| 15:28.29 | pif | yes, I'd like to change the default, how? |
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| 15:29.01 | jordanm | pif: are you running lenny? |
| 15:29.05 | pif | sid |
| 15:29.15 | babilen | hehe |
| 15:29.20 | babilen | pif: /etc/default/grub has the GRUB_DEFAULT setting ... |
| 15:29.25 | pif | ok |
| 15:29.48 | slidesinger | Using squeeze. Question: does anyone know if the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace trap for XOrg is still supposed to be active? |
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| 15:29.58 | lweight | themill: works now. Many thanks for all your help - it's much appreciated! |
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| 15:30.34 | lweight | Printers really are a law unto themselves - evil, I would say. |
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| 15:31.15 | babilen | pif: You can either set it by menu position (as in GRUB_DEFAULT=0) or by identifier (as in GRUB_DEFAULT="The kernel I would like to boot-label" |
| 15:31.19 | bgamari | How does one prevent debuild from omitting empty directories from a produced source deb? |
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| 15:31.22 | themill | lweight: indeed... no worries |
| 15:31.40 | pif | babilen: but where do I get the list of labels? |
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| 15:32.43 | jordanm | bgamari: you probably want to check with #debian-mentors on oftc, but I believe you want to have postinst create the directory, instead of including it in .deb |
| 15:32.57 | jordanm | !tell bgamari about mentors |
| 15:33.11 | babilen | pif: Take a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst - but note that menu.lst is autogenerated and the label might change ... |
| 15:34.03 | jordanm | babilen: you think he would still be using grub-legacy? |
| 15:34.04 | pif | oki doki |
| 15:34.30 | pif | wow, lilo is much simpler |
| 15:34.40 | babilen | jordanm: err - right |
| 15:34.43 | bgamari | jordanm: Naw, it was the debian/patches directory. I just needed to add a comment to debian/patches/series it seems |
| 15:34.47 | babilen | jordanm: no i don't think so ;-\ |
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| 15:35.31 | jordanm | bgamari: I missed when you said "source deb" |
| 15:35.34 | tpocra | My OS is installed onto encrypted LVM2 root logical volume, and I switched motherboards so therefore controllers, and it cannot find the volume group... I think it might be a missing driver for the new controller in the initrd, how can I test for this? |
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| 15:36.08 | yggdrasil | hello, im wondering if theres a script that i could run that would ping one of my servers and beep if it doesnt respong ? |
| 15:36.11 | yggdrasil | uh respond. |
| 15:36.13 | babilen | pif: Which grub version do you use? If you use grub2 take a look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 15:36.52 | pif | plain grub |
| 15:37.07 | jordanm | yggdrasil: if ! ping -c 5 foo.com; then echo -n '\b'; fi |
| 15:37.18 | yggdrasil | jordanm: ill try it |
| 15:38.11 | jordanm | yggdrasil: that may not be right, I did not test the ping command to see exactly how its exit codes work. |
| 15:38.16 | yggdrasil | wow foo.com does exist :) |
| 15:40.00 | babilen | pif: Can't tell you right now as I am using grub2 here ... |
| 15:40.04 | pif | np |
| 15:40.55 | babilen | pif: And I gave it up a long time ago to remember grub related settings -- I could once write a lilo.conf, but the grub automagic insanity coupled with the lack of documentation is just incomprehensible |
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| 15:41.19 | pif | nods |
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| 15:42.18 | thewanderer1 | GRUB1 was just right in that matter |
| 15:42.28 | bgamari | jordanm: Thanks though! |
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| 15:42.34 | babilen | thewanderer1: agreed |
| 15:42.36 | thewanderer1 | then GRUB2 kicks in and oh crap I can no longer write any config |
| 15:43.05 | thewanderer1 | good thing some maintainers can |
| 15:44.01 | babilen | yeah - extlinux does not look that bad though. and it has been decided (IRC) to keep lilo in Debian, because some people took over development |
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| 15:44.50 | jordanm | babilen: that is actually still in question, raised by the techinical comittee |
| 15:44.58 | jordanm | babilen: one of the maintainers really wants to see it die |
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| 15:45.47 | eli_ | Im a programmer coming from a pc background and Im used to work with apache tomcat |
| 15:45.55 | babilen | jordanm: Ah ok - I haven't followed the complete discussion, but was under the impression that now that LiLO has a new upstream that it might make it into squeeze. And I don't read -release ... but thanks for the update |
| 15:46.19 | eli_ | now that I've started to work with debian I see that you guys got apache httpd, is it the same as apache tomcat? |
| 15:46.30 | thewanderer1 | do you know, by any chance, what fate awaits elilo? |
| 15:46.33 | eli_ | does they got similarities? |
| 15:46.59 | thewanderer1 | eli_, Apache httpd is the Apache WWW server as in http://httpd.apache.org |
| 15:47.04 | babilen | eli_: No, that is the webserver from apache. Tomcat is "aptitude search tomcat" â tomcat6 |
| 15:47.18 | thewanderer1 | Apache Tomcat is a different project from the Apache Foundation |
| 15:47.21 | jordanm | babilen: the one maintainer was claiming that the future maintainers are not technically capable of doing the job |
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| 15:48.36 | jordanm | babilen: #587886 |
| 15:48.42 | babilen | jordanm: Thanks |
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| 15:49.25 | jordanm | highly recommends the debian-ctte list. low-traffic, and most things involved are rather important |
| 15:49.37 | babilen | jordanm: And I see "Stephen Powell" in there ... :-D |
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| 15:50.44 | babilen | jordanm: yeah, looks like a good addition to my numerous debian MLs i already read :) (honestly) |
| 15:50.53 | babilen | subscribed |
| 15:53.07 | jordanm | babilen: :) |
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| 15:58.17 | dv- | What's emacs-lucid and how is it different from emacs? |
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| 16:00.40 | jordanm | dv-: sounds like a question for #ubuntu |
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| 16:02.00 | dv- | how so? |
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| 16:02.34 | mquin | dv-: Lucid Emacs was a fork of the gnu emacs project, which later became XEmacs after Lucid went out of business |
| 16:02.36 | babilen | ,info emacs23-lucid --release testing |
| 16:02.38 | judd | emacs23-lucid (editors, optional): The GNU Emacs editor. Version: 23.1+1-5; Size: 2938.5k; Installed: 8960k |
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| 16:03.34 | mquin | ah, the above it probably irrelvant if it's just referring to the ubuntu release codename |
| 16:04.34 | babilen | mquin: exactly - we are quite sesitised for words like "lucid" "ubuntu" "karmic" .... :) |
| 16:05.32 | babilen | well - I'll call it a day! Have a great adjust_timezone(evening) and enjoy whatever you are doing ;) |
| 16:05.51 | dv- | well from the package description and wikipedia I still can' |
| 16:05.58 | dv- | +t tell what the differences are |
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| 16:08.09 | dv- | I guess I'll just try both |
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| 16:15.58 | optix | Could someone tell me why I am incapable of clicking anything after starting an application? :/ |
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| 16:17.17 | SlayerXP | optix: some kind of motor neural disfunction? get yourself checked out in an MRI scanner. |
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| 16:17.37 | smanek | Hi, I'm looking to set up a 'personal' debian repo for some software I wrote - and I was wondering if anyone had some more info about what "aptitude offers access to all versions of a package" means? (from: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html) |
| 16:18.11 | fxiny | optix: i recommend my optician : she has a retina scanner very interesting ... |
| 16:18.17 | leonardo__ | Hi all, I'm trying to install veetle plugin, but the plugin is only 32bits, and I'm trying to install on a 64bits system |
| 16:18.18 | smanek | It would be helpful if I could have multiple versions of the same package available through my repo, in case I want to roll back to a previous version or something |
| 16:18.46 | leonardo__ | I tried this command: "nspluginwrapper -i /home/<username>/.mozilla/plugins/libveetle-player-plugin.so" |
| 16:19.01 | optix | is this a channel with 982 trolls |
| 16:19.04 | leonardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.04 | leonardo__ | nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /home/gfn/.mozilla/plugins/libveetle-player-plugin.so |
| 16:19.21 | leonardo__ | How solve this problem |
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| 16:20.13 | leonardo__ | It's like this problem: http://www.allquests.com/question/3925095/[ubuntu]-HELP-Veetle.html |
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| 16:21.42 | fxiny | optix: i know only on one application stealing the focus away : xmessage |
| 16:21.57 | rolandpish | Hi, I added a repository key with apt-key but now I need to remove that key. In synaptic there is no option to remove it. How can I do this? |
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| 16:22.24 | thewanderer1 | rolandpish, you need gpg for that |
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| 16:22.57 | fxiny | and of course the oldest bug of the mother of all bugs : firefox focus bug |
| 16:23.00 | optix | fxiny: the only thing I can find is that my log is full of messages whining about my wireless card drivers, but i doubt thats related.... |
| 16:23.07 | rolandpish | thewanderer1, thanks! Is the package: gpgkeys? |
| 16:23.34 | thewanderer1 | rolandpish, no, gpg is already installed on your system, I just don't know where it keeps the apt keys, you have to look that up |
| 16:23.46 | thewanderer1 | use apt-key docs for that |
| 16:23.54 | themill | rolandpish: "man apt-key" |
| 16:23.56 | thewanderer1 | smanek, you can have multiple versions, but you have to assign proper releases to them or use different names |
| 16:23.59 | fxiny | optix: oh that could be something else like some black hole sucking in all your resources |
| 16:24.23 | thewanderer1 | optix, what application are you unable to click on anything in? |
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| 16:24.34 | rolandpish | thewanderer1, themill, ok thanks a lot I'll do that right now :) |
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| 16:24.46 | optix | thewanderer1, can't click ANYWHERE once an application has had focus |
| 16:25.00 | fxiny | any applicaton ? |
| 16:25.02 | smanek | thewanderer1: Thanks. I'm familiar with using different names, but I'm unfamiliar with the idea of 'assigning proper releases to them.' Could you point me to some docs I can read to get up to speed? |
| 16:25.06 | optix | yes any application |
| 16:25.11 | stayb | why cant i choose the resolution 1920x1080? Whats wrong with my xorg.conf? http://pastebin.org/410917 |
| 16:25.24 | thewanderer1 | smanek, no, not really, when you figure out how to write package indexes, you'll get at it |
| 16:25.27 | optix | i can move my mouse pointer but i cant click anywhere thats pretty much it |
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| 16:25.51 | thewanderer1 | optix, so what application steals your clicks? |
| 16:25.53 | smanek | thewanderer1: Fair enough. Thanks for the time |
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| 16:26.01 | fxiny | what if you press tab ? |
| 16:26.11 | optix | thewanderer1, no idea...... |
| 16:26.24 | thewanderer1 | optix, this is way too generic for me to even have a clue |
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| 16:26.54 | optix | another funny thing is if i right click anywhere on the desktop after I fail to click on any applications |
| 16:27.04 | optix | the popup menu appears at the gnome taskbar |
| 16:27.21 | optix | same thing with xfce4 |
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| 16:28.50 | fxiny | have you checked top/htop ? can you type in a term ? |
| 16:29.18 | fxiny | hows' the load average ? |
| 16:29.50 | fxiny | feels a spooky redhat syndrome |
| 16:29.57 | optix | sec |
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| 16:30.59 | optix | fxiny: doesn't look that bad, 0.00, 0.07, 0.24 |
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| 16:44.58 | smanek | thewanderer1: When you said 'assign proper releases' were you referring to the 'version' control field (see: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version)? |
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| 16:46.29 | thewanderer1 | smanek, no, not at all - I don't mean any of the control fields, but repository indexes (Release file) |
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| 16:46.41 | datacrusher | im following a guide here, but i got a doubt, its wrote: Option "CustomEDID" "DFP-0:/etc/X11/edid.bin" |
| 16:46.41 | datacrusher | * please note that DFP-0 could be DFP-1 or CRT-0 depending on your setup. Read the release notes, appendix B. |
| 16:46.48 | kalkin- | hi |
| 16:46.54 | datacrusher | how do i check witch one i got? its an lcd lg lt1753t |
| 16:46.56 | thewanderer1 | Release file should control what packages fit in which Debian release |
| 16:47.17 | kalkin- | i'm trying to rebuild something with dpkg-buildpackage and getting the error |
| 16:47.19 | kalkin- | Hdpkg-source: info: use the '3.0 (quilt)' format to have separate and documented changes to upstream files, see dpkg-source(1) |
| 16:47.21 | kalkin- | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 16:47.23 | kalkin- | dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b php5-5.3.2 gave error exit status 1 |
| 16:47.27 | kalkin- | what does it mean |
| 16:47.37 | smanek | thewanderer1: Thanks for the pointers |
| 16:48.10 | thewanderer1 | smanek, you can start here, but it's old http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto#setting-up |
| 16:48.44 | ksk | hellp there |
| 16:48.48 | ksk | *hello |
| 16:49.01 | smanek | Thanks, google had turned that up - but I got scared away by the big 'obsolete' at the top. I'll use it as a jumping off point though |
| 16:49.32 | themill | kalkin-: it means that you've changed a binary file that's changed inside the source directory somewhere. Look up a few lines and it will tell you which one. |
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| 16:51.21 | thewanderer1 | smanek, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 this is better |
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| 16:53.22 | smanek | Thanks! I think I just need to get my hands dirty and start playing :-D |
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| 16:54.14 | kalkin- | themill: i haven't changed anything |
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| 16:54.36 | themill | kalkin-: have you tried to build it once before in that directory? |
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| 16:55.25 | kalkin- | no |
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| 16:55.56 | _Trinity_ | hi everyone |
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| 17:17.18 | thewanderer1 | how can I list my partitions managed by mdadm? |
| 17:18.17 | abrotman | /proc/mdstat ? is that right? |
| 17:18.26 | thewanderer1 | oh, I see. thanks |
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| 17:18.46 | abrotman | or -D maybe? |
| 17:18.53 | thewanderer1 | found it in /proc/mdstat |
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| 17:20.46 | stayb | i cant find thist taste on my tastatur oO | |
| 17:20.48 | reklipz | What would be a logical place to mount a 3TB raid file system that is primarily used for storage of media and miscellaneous files? |
| 17:20.50 | stayb | "|" |
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| 17:21.09 | thewanderer1 | reklipz, /media/media |
| 17:21.32 | abrotman | /media/misc/ ? |
| 17:21.43 | abrotman | /media/whateveryouwanttocallit/ ? |
| 17:21.54 | reklipz | I hadn't thought of /media |
| 17:22.13 | fxiny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.44 | thewanderer1 | reklipz, actually I only use /mnt, but ssssh :P |
| 17:22.50 | reklipz | :P |
| 17:23.08 | fxiny | mee too /mnt/aux 1 2 3 * |
| 17:25.27 | stayb | whats the standard 'phpymadmin user and pw? |
| 17:26.02 | jhutchins_lt | stayb: Dunno, I'd have to look at the docs/conf/include. |
| 17:26.34 | stayb | jhutchins_lt, where? |
| 17:26.40 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ |
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| 17:27.46 | reklipz | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=phpmyadmin+default+username |
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| 17:28.48 | jordanm | reklipz: if it were an upstream installation, sure |
| 17:29.13 | jordanm | reklipz: you would likely want the keyword "debian" in there, but still no execuse for not reading the README.Debian |
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| 17:29.48 | bittin` | http://paste.ubuntu.com/467119/ somone wanna help? |
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| 17:29.59 | reklipz | jordanm: I was hoping Debian didn't apply that much Debian magic to the package, :/ |
| 17:30.36 | tpocra | If I have a tiny /boot on /dev/sda1 and a volume group in LVM2 on /dev/sda2 containing a debian install on an encrypted / LV and also an encrypted /home LV... |
| 17:30.37 | jordanm | reklipz: in this case, I believe that it does, because it needs to work with the debian modified apache2 httpd |
| 17:30.38 | reklipz | Upon installing squeeze, I don't have an fstab entry for mounting /. #mount shows rootfs as being mounted on /. Is it safe to leave things this way? |
| 17:30.47 | tpocra | and I boot off a live CD and run "pvcreate /dev/sda2" |
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| 17:30.55 | tpocra | How can I get my LVs back?? |
| 17:31.20 | jordanm | tpocra: lvscan? |
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| 17:31.54 | jhutchins_lt | tpocra: Restore your backup. |
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| 17:32.28 | tpocra | jhutchins: The data is not wiped, though. |
| 17:32.42 | tpocra | It is just the physical volume LVM2 headers that have been wiped. |
| 17:33.07 | tpocra | If I can access my /etc/lvm directory, I think there is data there that will let me restore using vgcfgrestore |
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| 17:36.21 | jordanm | tpocra: if you have backups, there are many cases when restoring a backup is much faster and cleaner than trying to resolve the issue. |
| 17:36.31 | jordanm | regardless if the data is still there |
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| 17:43.38 | reklipz | Umm... my swap partition doesn't have a uuid |
| 17:44.21 | root__ | ummm i don't have a partition |
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| 17:46.30 | frostschutz | reklipz: unlikely, but swapoff, mkswap gives it a new uuid every time ... ;) |
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| 17:50.32 | thewanderer1 | reklipz, you also need to reload block ID's. man blkid |
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| 17:51.41 | Lantizia | Does anyone know the name of the package that runs packages.debian.org/ubuntu.com ? |
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| 17:52.09 | mms_ | I would like to monitor usage of heap and stack usage for java program. any idea ? |
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| 17:59.26 | bittin` | now back to the printer then: http://paste.ubuntu.com/467119/ if somone feels to help |
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| 18:08.53 | tpocra | jordanm: I have backups of 90% of it |
| 18:09.09 | tpocra | But the other 10% is the most unrecoverable, personal data possible on my entire 6TiB of data |
| 18:09.18 | deadcat | hey. how do i attach to someone's screen session as root? i've done it before. but i just cant think of it right now. |
| 18:09.21 | tpocra | So I want to try and restore my logical volumes |
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| 18:09.25 | tpocra | I know they are still there. |
| 18:09.31 | tpocra | I am running this command at the moment: |
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| 18:09.40 | jhutchins_lt | deadcat: vnc or rdesktop |
| 18:09.51 | jhutchins_lt | deadcat: Both have to be set up in advance. |
| 18:09.52 | tpocra | grep -a -b --only-matching LUKS...aes /dev/sda2 in hopes of finding the byte locations of where my encrypted LVs start |
| 18:09.57 | tpocra | they were AES encrypted |
| 18:09.58 | deadcat | jhutchins_lt: screen(1) |
| 18:10.12 | jhutchins_lt | deadcat: D'oh! |
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| 18:10.45 | SparFux | Hi! My aptitude update hangs at 10% each run, and I discovered that connections to 127.0.0.1 stall most of the times, too. all other network works ok. Anybody experiencing this? |
| 18:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: No. |
| 18:12.03 | thewanderer1 | SparFux, are you running a package cache in the middle? |
| 18:12.09 | SparFux | no. |
| 18:12.14 | SparFux | no package cache. |
| 18:12.20 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: Are you running lenny? |
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| 18:12.29 | SparFux | jhutchins_lt: no, sid. |
| 18:12.41 | datacrusher | jelly, are you there? i managed to fix the monitor issue |
| 18:12.58 | thewanderer1 | SparFux, what kernel? in 2.6.35-rc5 we have a nasty loopback network bug |
| 18:13.19 | SparFux | thewanderer1: this is rc3 |
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| 18:13.55 | SparFux | thewanderer1: sounds like it has been there in rc3, too :-) |
| 18:14.01 | thewanderer1 | SparFux, House says: memory/storage problems |
| 18:14.12 | thewanderer1 | no, the regression only found its way to -rc5 |
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| 18:17.19 | deadcat | hey. how do i attach to someone's screen(1) session as root? i've done it before. but i just cant think of it right now. |
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| 18:20.59 | fxiny | deadcat: by editing screenrc |
| 18:21.27 | deadcat | fxiny: what do i put? |
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| 18:24.24 | jordanm | deadcat: IIRC the person needs to configure their session as shared, and add you to the ACL |
| 18:25.03 | deadcat | jordanm: oh. i thought root can access any sessions |
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| 18:25.32 | fxiny | deadcat: is in the manual : multiuser and acladd |
| 18:25.37 | deadcat | k. |
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| 18:38.51 | hello | django treemenus debian package ?? |
| 18:38.59 | hello | not available? |
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| 18:40.31 | hello | django treemenus debian package ?? |
| 18:40.35 | hello | not available? |
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| 18:44.03 | hello | hello |
| 18:44.09 | hello | django treemenus debian package ??where i can get ? |
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| 18:56.25 | bjwebb | what does an s mean in the execution car in ls -l? |
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| 18:57.50 | xyan | it means that you have to read man ls(1) |
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| 19:01.59 | jordanm | xyan: I just had a look at ls manpage, and I believe he would want the chmod manpage |
| 19:02.09 | jordanm | or a generic "permissions" one if there is such a thing |
| 19:02.14 | jordanm | bjwebb: setuid of setgid |
| 19:02.42 | xyan | uh got it wrong, right |
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| 19:07.32 | fxiny | bjwebb: man chmod . scroll down to SETUID |
| 19:08.13 | fxiny | i heard the riia doesn't like ppl running setuid :P |
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| 19:08.28 | bjwebb | fxiny: thanks |
| 19:08.41 | fxiny | bjwebb: np |
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| 19:10.22 | fxiny | the numeric mod is the octal chmod 4777 for setuid and 2777 setgid |
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| 19:11.31 | simonrvn | fuck riia (pardon my language) |
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| 19:22.16 | Bushmills | riaa? |
| 19:22.42 | Bushmills | or "Resource Acquisition Is Initialization" :P |
| 19:24.50 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills, you fail at lettres |
| 19:25.08 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: so do you |
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| 19:26.12 | thewanderer1 | that was on purpose :P |
| 19:26.30 | Bushmills | failing on purpose is worse |
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| 19:27.07 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills, sometimes yes, when it's called "Proprietary software" |
| 19:27.16 | krion | hey guys |
| 19:27.20 | krion | i wonder something |
| 19:27.27 | krion | i've two mysql-server with drbd and heartbeat in a active/passive HA setup |
| 19:27.34 | krion | but i'm unable, under debian, to security update the mysql-server without doing a hb_takeover |
| 19:28.23 | krion | can i update the package without debian want to do a start stop of the mysql-server |
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| 19:29.35 | jelly-home | datacrusher: nice, how |
| 19:29.40 | thewanderer1 | krion, not with the default packages |
| 19:30.04 | jelly-home | datacrusher: ah, that CustomEDID thing worked? |
| 19:30.05 | thewanderer1 | krion, you can always download the package, mess with its prerm/postinst scripts, repackage and install that |
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| 19:30.59 | thewanderer1 | you get the bonus performance points for recompiling, if you do that :P |
| 19:31.04 | krion | thewanderer1: or may be i could a --force install that would bypass the fact that it can not start the DB ? |
| 19:31.26 | thewanderer1 | krion, --force what? dpkg? |
| 19:31.35 | krion | yes, but if mysql crash i've to take charge of it instead of the incredible debian team :D |
| 19:31.51 | krion | thewanderer1: yes, dpkg |
| 19:31.55 | thewanderer1 | then try it |
| 19:32.04 | datacrusher | jelly-home, yes, i have to pick the one on this pc, copy it to there |
| 19:32.10 | datacrusher | and use a custom line |
| 19:32.37 | datacrusher | iv used nvidia settings to export the edid.bin file |
| 19:32.50 | datacrusher | and on xorg.conf iv added on the device section |
| 19:32.50 | krion | thewanderer1: i was just wondering, it's a production system |
| 19:33.08 | krion | i would wait if one day heartbeat switch the running server |
| 19:33.17 | datacrusher | Option "CustomEDID" "CRT-0:/etc/X11/lg_L1753T.edid" |
| 19:33.33 | thewanderer1 | krion, then there's no rushing on production machines |
| 19:33.34 | themill | krion: You can prevent dpkg from trying to restart the server with policy-rc.d (/msg dpkg policy-rc.d). Or better would be to fiddle with the init script to make sure these things happen for you. |
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| 19:34.14 | datacrusher | jelly-home, although theres a not so beautyful solution, that also worked - http://baudizm.blogsome.com/2005/09/27/ignoring-edid-to-impose-higher-resolution/ |
| 19:34.41 | datacrusher | but u have to set h w by hand, and its fixed |
| 19:34.48 | krion | thewanderer1: it's still a security update (from 7 jun, i wait enough already :)) |
| 19:35.07 | krion | themill: hum, looks like exactly what i need, i would try it on my lab someday |
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| 19:35.55 | thewanderer1 | krion, if you need to apply security updates, then policy-rc.d is probably your best option |
| 19:35.55 | jelly-home | datacrusher: yeah, that's all right if your wanted resolution is already present in the card's BIOS, but my typical intel cards at work only go up to 1280x1024 or so |
| 19:36.19 | thewanderer1 | by the way, does MySQL work well on DRBD? |
| 19:36.21 | jelly-home | datacrusher: how did you generate the edid binary file? |
| 19:36.39 | jelly-home | oh nvidia-settings, how awfully nice of them |
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| 19:36.59 | krion | thewanderer1: hum, i would say yes |
| 19:37.13 | krion | but, in my POV, heartbeat is a real pain in the, you know |
| 19:37.29 | thewanderer1 | yes... it's also the standard means for HA I think :P |
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| 19:38.15 | datacrusher | jelly, yes, on nvidia settings |
| 19:38.18 | datacrusher | very handy indeed |
| 19:38.35 | datacrusher | what mostly got on my nerves is that they are EQUAL pcs |
| 19:38.46 | datacrusher | iv changed the whole kit, monitor, cables... didnt get the EDID |
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| 19:39.54 | gionnico | Hi! Anyone knows this song? http://www.forzazzurri.mine.nu/data/uploaded/unksng_organ.mp3 (answer PM 'cause it's OT) |
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| 19:40.17 | jelly-home | datacrusher: don't expect anything in IT (software, hardware, wetware or combinations thereof) to be deterministic in nature ;-) |
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| 19:48.42 | jelly-home | gionnico: do you have any other channel than organ / bass? |
| 19:49.26 | gionnico | jelly-home: i used an online piano in flash it's bad |
| 19:49.37 | gionnico | the real song is 2 octave lower and faster |
| 19:50.46 | jelly-home | yeah, it did sound like a bass track |
| 19:51.26 | jelly-home | has no idea |
| 19:51.48 | jelly-home | it sounds vaguely familiar, but that's about it |
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| 20:07.07 | gionnico | has anyone discovered the song's title? http://www.forzazzurri.mine.nu/data/uploaded/unksng_organ.mp3 |
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| 20:07.38 | thewanderer1 | gionnico, why don't you try EFnet and so? we're just open source fans, not everyone is into music here |
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| 20:08.25 | eSa| | hi, i just installed debian and I need some help making radeonhd working. i've installed the linux-firmware-nonfree package but x appear to be running without acceleration |
| 20:08.52 | eSa| | here is the xorg.log http://pastebin.com/bZmzHw3T |
| 20:08.53 | thewanderer1 | eSa|, have you tried the radeonhd X.org driver? |
| 20:09.16 | eSa| | i'd like to |
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| 20:09.35 | thewanderer1 | so there you go |
| 20:09.47 | eSa| | do i need to edit xorg.conf? |
| 20:10.01 | gionnico | thewanderer1: like what channel? |
| 20:10.04 | eSa| | i don't have one |
| 20:10.05 | gionnico | #music is almost empty |
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| 20:10.22 | thewanderer1 | gionnico, find one that is populated |
| 20:10.27 | thewanderer1 | gionnico, or ask on a music forum |
| 20:10.47 | thewanderer1 | search for "ID request" on musical forums |
| 20:10.47 | gionnico | thewanderer1: yes they haven't got alis so i can't /list only populated ones. and moreover the list is truncated after a while |
| 20:11.14 | thewanderer1 | eSa|, then you need to generate some. `X -configure` |
| 20:11.44 | thewanderer1 | it outputs a shiny new xorg.conf.new |
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| 20:22.10 | kleanchap | To wipe out a disk I used the following command on Linux: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda obs=10M That should write 10 megabytes at a time. Am I correct about that? |
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| 20:25.00 | babilen | kleanchap: yes -- but why don't you read from /dev/random or if you are in a hurry /dev/urandom? |
| 20:25.38 | jhutchins_lt | eSa|: Good grief that's a wordy log. |
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| 20:25.59 | jhutchins_lt | eSa|: Doesn't seem to show any problems, was there any more to it? |
| 20:26.01 | epic_age | though I almost got a perfect debian system, my monitor HP L1706 which has a maximun res of 1024x1280 I'm only able to get 1280x800 but the weird thing ocurred when I plugged an old bulky monitor and displayed way more modes than this one, the graphic card by the way is an Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller with 1280x800, 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480 video modes on debian lenny |
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| 20:26.08 | babilen | kleanchap: also http://www.dban.org/ might be of interest |
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| 20:26.35 | mguy | epic_age: run Xorg -reconfigure ? |
| 20:27.59 | kleanchap | I tried dban and it for some reason is getting stuck after the USB device detection. |
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| 20:29.37 | foetus | evening. |
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| 20:30.40 | babilen | foetus: good evening |
| 20:30.44 | zebradog | foetus, fetussal name there.. you still in the womb newbie |
| 20:31.24 | babilen | kleanchap: Ah well - been some time since I last used it .... |
| 20:32.07 | foetus | had some conversation yesterday about problems with consoletranslation under lenny. |
| 20:32.32 | foetus | and im not a newbie. |
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| 20:33.58 | zebradog | foetus, teleprinting again? |
| 20:34.25 | zebradog | foetus, consoletranslation means nothing to me. speak clearly and don't invent da jargon |
| 20:34.28 | zebradog | :) |
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| 20:36.21 | nejucomo | Hi. I want to package python programs and libraries for debian, but I'm overwhelmed by debhelper vs cdbs and pycentral vs pysupport. Which of these should I use and where can I find a single document describing the process? |
| 20:36.59 | jelly-home | dpkg: python policy |
| 20:36.59 | dpkg | jelly-home: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:37.07 | themill | nejucomo: use debhelper and python-support. |
| 20:37.10 | jelly-home | not even dpkg doesn't know any more! |
| 20:37.20 | jelly-home | s/n't// |
| 20:37.56 | nejucomo | themill: So do not use cdbs? That's strange because it sounded like cdbs should be standard after reading the cdbs docs, but a mailing list suggests dh7 supercedes cdbs. |
| 20:38.20 | nejucomo | I have read all of the debian python policy, which refers to all three of pycentral, pysupport, and cdbs with no information about which is preferred. |
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| 20:38.57 | themill | nejucomo: cdbs is black magic written in make macros; dh is black magic that is written in perl. Most seem to prefer their black magic in perl because it's more readable by a larger subset of developers. |
| 20:39.28 | epic_age | thanks for the reply but reconfiguring xorg only sends me that it possibly writing an customized file |
| 20:39.31 | nejucomo | I see. Also, I need to create packages for both etch and lenny. |
| 20:39.42 | nejucomo | Will debhelper + python-support work well on etch? |
| 20:39.55 | foetus | but another problem -- if i turn on numlock by default in /etc/console-tools/config, start copying a lot of data and switch through the tty's, then my keyboard is gone - no input at all. i must replug my keyboard. if i turn off this setting, then the problem is gone. |
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| 20:40.01 | themill | nejucomo: such documentation tends to be quite "helper neutral" and official documentaton like that tries not to step on toes and make fun of people's favourite helper. |
| 20:40.35 | themill | nejucomo: etch is well past its use-by date now, btw, but yes, pysupport existed then too. |
| 20:40.43 | jelly-home | themill: surely there's a Best Current Practice someplace other than your head! |
| 20:41.02 | babilen | jelly-home: #debian-python's hivemind maybe :) |
| 20:41.06 | nejucomo | jelly-home: I agree. |
| 20:41.11 | jelly-home | babilen: that's about the same thing |
| 20:41.15 | babilen | hehe |
| 20:41.27 | nejucomo | It would be nice to have a doc (preferably the debian python policy) which clarifies which is best practice. |
| 20:41.31 | jelly-home | "if you have to ask, use this: [blah]" |
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| 20:42.14 | nejucomo | Ah, I hadn't seen this until now: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ |
| 20:43.37 | foetus | and some curious atkbd.c appears (unknown key or such thing). |
| 20:43.55 | eSa| | jhujhiti, aiglx seems to work in software mode. xv playback seems fine . still i want to see if radeonhd performs better |
| 20:44.06 | babilen | nejucomo: and you probably want to pair pysupport with dh |
| 20:44.52 | nejucomo | babilen: Thanks. Now I have two votes from irc which I'll weigh against whatever I dig up in faqs. |
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| 20:45.24 | nejucomo | ;-) It's a bit awkward to write a company reference doc that says: "According to folks in irc, we should do X." |
| 20:45.29 | jelly-home | would trust whatever themill said wrt python packaging |
| 20:45.53 | babilen | nejucomo: But honestly -- You might want to ask #debian-python over at irc.oftc.net if you want to talk to people who package most of the python software/libraries in Debian (but not Python itself) |
| 20:46.00 | jelly-home | nejucomo: s/folks in irc/packaging experts/ :-D |
| 20:46.20 | nejucomo | Heh⦠Thanks. I personally trust irc as much as http anyway. |
| 20:46.26 | nejucomo | Just harder to link to. |
| 20:46.59 | jelly-home | nejucomo: "informal communication with debian packaging experts suggested the following course of action blah blah blah yawn |
| 20:47.02 | babilen | nejucomo: You can also write to the mailing list if you want to talk to the same people in a different way :) |
| 20:47.29 | nejucomo | I'm happy enough. |
| 20:47.30 | jelly-home | nejucomo: spin doctoring rules |
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| 20:48.37 | jelly-home | !irclog\ |
| 20:48.39 | jelly-home | !irclog |
| 20:48.51 | jelly-home | !irclog |
| 20:48.51 | dpkg | [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://thegrebs.com/irc/ |
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| 20:49.40 | jelly-home | nejucomo: so you can link to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/20100721.html.gz and hope it becomes available tomorrow |
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| 20:50.19 | thewanderer1 | crap, Icedove won't handle my IMAP maildir |
| 20:50.38 | thewanderer1 | it refuses to work with custom directories |
| 20:50.47 | jordanm | thewanderer1: it will if you host it over IMAP... |
| 20:50.58 | jordanm | evolution has support for local mail directories |
| 20:51.00 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, it works on Evolution |
| 20:51.08 | babilen | thewanderer1: It won't? Do you go through a local IMAP server (e.g. dovecot) or are you trying to access the maildir directly (not possible IRC) |
| 20:51.09 | jordanm | thewanderer1: right |
| 20:51.10 | vsmatck | "IMAP maildir" is a weird term. Those are two different things. |
| 20:51.22 | thewanderer1 | yes, "maildir" is the format on my server |
| 20:51.35 | thewanderer1 | babilen, IMAP dovecot |
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| 20:51.45 | vsmatck | Ah, so it's an IMAP ques |
| 20:51.47 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: IMAP deals with folders and subscriptions; backend format is not visible |
| 20:52.02 | thewanderer1 | I know, at least I guess that's how it should work |
| 20:52.05 | jordanm | thewanderer1: it shouldn't have any problem connecting to dovecot, but like babilen said, you can't access the dir directly |
| 20:52.11 | babilen | thewanderer1: You probably want to serve those maildirs with dovecot which should work together with icedove or use a sane MUA that can handle maildir |
| 20:52.22 | thewanderer1 | now, with Evolution IMAP dirs just work |
| 20:52.30 | thewanderer1 | and Icedove IMAP dirs don't |
| 20:52.41 | thewanderer1 | it doesn't show all my directories at all |
| 20:52.51 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: they also do with thunderbird (and presumably the rebranded icedove) |
| 20:52.57 | vsmatck | I've used all three of these mail clients. I've gotten them all to work with IMAP. |
| 20:53.00 | jordanm | thewanderer1: switch from "smart folders" to "all folders" view |
| 20:53.08 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, that's what I first did |
| 20:53.20 | vsmatck | So I don't think it's broken in the program is what I'm suggesting. |
| 20:53.20 | foetus | ok. without numlock it works. never had such thing before :) sorry for the rudeness |
| 20:53.36 | thewanderer1 | now, my Debian directory is written with italic and grayed out O.o |
| 20:53.57 | thewanderer1 | rm -r .mozilla/icedove |
| 20:55.09 | vsmatck | Dang, I'd be careful doing recursive rm like that. I've owned myself before doing that. |
| 20:55.32 | thewanderer1 | well, Debian dir is still grayed out |
| 20:55.52 | thewanderer1 | and I can't access my "News and Lists" directory - it shows up as empty without any error |
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| 20:57.22 | thewanderer1 | this be some weird stuff |
| 20:57.35 | d8uv | "python-twisted" in unstable seems to have been destroyed today. Is this something I should wait out, till the other p-twisted packages get upstreamed? |
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| 20:58.29 | thewanderer1 | the strange thing is that roundcube webmail doesn't display anything in "News and Lists" either |
| 20:58.35 | jordanm | d8uv: what do you mean by destroyed? |
| 20:58.39 | jordanm | ,versions python-twisted |
| 20:58.41 | thewanderer1 | Evolution messed up my dirs... huh... |
| 20:58.41 | judd | python-twisted -- etch: 2.4.0-3; etch-backports: 8.0.1-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.1.0-4; sid: 10.0.0-3; squeeze: 10.0.0-3 |
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| 20:58.57 | thewanderer1 | so it supports its own format only, great |
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| 20:59.45 | d8uv | It's been destroyed in terms of all the dependencies in python-twisted got hosed in upstreaming 10.1.0 |
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| 21:00.34 | jordanm | d8uv: you are still not being very clear |
| 21:00.55 | d8uv | ,versions python-twisted-bin |
| 21:00.56 | judd | python-twisted-bin -- etch: 2.4.0-3; etch-backports: 8.0.1-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.1.0-4; sid: 10.0.0-3; squeeze: 10.0.0-3 |
| 21:01.03 | jordanm | d8uv: the packages python-twisted depend on, got hosed by python-twisted releasing a new version, how? |
| 21:01.06 | d8uv | ,versions python-twisted-web |
| 21:01.08 | judd | python-twisted-web -- etch: 0.6.0-1; etch-backports: 8.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.1.0-1; sid: 10.0.0-1; squeeze: 10.0.0-1 |
| 21:01.08 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.27 | craigevil | Inst python-twisted (10.1.0-1 Debian:unstable) |
| 21:01.30 | jelly-home | judd may be reading the data from a somewhat delayed mirror |
| 21:01.47 | jelly-home | the cron job only updates it every 6 hours |
| 21:01.52 | jordanm | yes, I checked the packages page, 10.1.0 is correct |
| 21:01.53 | d8uv | Hmm, here it shows 10.1.0 for python-twisted-web. But it's inconsistent between all of twisted |
| 21:02.19 | d8uv | Allright, then I'll wait for the mirrors to duke it all out between themselves. Thanks! |
| 21:02.34 | jordanm | d8uv: the packages page shows python-twisted-* at 10.1.0. wait a few and see if it resolves itself |
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| 21:04.22 | thewanderer1 | crap |
| 21:04.32 | thewanderer1 | so I was supposed to "subscribe" those dirs somehow |
| 21:04.52 | thewanderer1 | I subscribed them in roundcube and poof! they show up in Icedove... how cool... |
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| 21:05.20 | foetus | a question, gpm fills my user.log with senseless messages, how can i stop it? |
| 21:05.48 | babilen | thewanderer1: yes, dovecot will save the list of subscriptions (have a look at your maildir) |
| 21:05.48 | jelly-home | foetus: do you need that service at all? |
| 21:06.32 | foetus | jelly-home: no, not the service - starting by hand as daemon. |
| 21:06.36 | hebz0rl | hello how can i remotly backup a hole server? just copy everything from / or is there a better way? |
| 21:06.47 | jelly-home | foetus: do you need that daemon at all? :-) |
| 21:07.41 | foetus | jelly-home: gpm is printing every event to user.log, however.. |
| 21:07.44 | jelly-home | foetus: it doesn't spam user.log here much while I'm in X. |
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| 21:08.21 | jelly-home | or while I randomly click on stuff in the console |
| 21:08.40 | zebradog | foetus, it does? |
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| 21:08.50 | foetus | jelly-home: and i'm spamming the channel, maybe :) |
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| 21:09.39 | jelly-home | foetus: can you pastebin some of that log? which debian release and version of gpm package? |
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| 21:10.25 | jelly-home | foetus: and your gpm.conf as long as you're pastebinning stuff anyway |
| 21:10.30 | foetus | zebradog: ah, sorry for the hard words before, but i never had such thing ever.. |
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| 21:12.12 | ole | hi!, any idea why machine with domain foo.com is unable to send emails to same domain? (exim4 spits unroutable address to anything xxx@foo.com), domain email is configured using google apps mail and works just fine |
| 21:12.19 | jelly-home | foetus: I only notice some gpm messages in syslog when starting elinks / links, a text browser |
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| 21:12.57 | aarkerio | hi! I can not find my USB webcam in Flash Player |
| 21:13.10 | aarkerio | but I can use it in Chees |
| 21:13.14 | foetus | jelly-home: no, this machine is down now. its enough. gpm is printing every event -- starting, stopping and so on, how can i stop this "debugging"? (machine is debian 5.0.5) |
| 21:13.34 | jelly-home | foetus: I have no idea because it doesn't happen for me |
| 21:14.19 | foetus | jelly-home: curious. some entry in the conf, maybe. |
| 21:15.02 | jelly-home | logging the start and stop of a service is quite normal I'd think |
| 21:15.17 | jelly-home | those other events are potentially interesting |
| 21:17.45 | foetus | jelly-home: hmm, but executing a program by hand is not a log event, normally.. |
| 21:18.01 | jelly-home | foetus: which program. |
| 21:19.08 | jelly-home | gpm is meant to be running as a service the whole time; if you're starting and stopping it often, well, don't do that then |
| 21:19.17 | foetus | jelly-home: gpm, not the initscript |
| 21:19.32 | jelly-home | foetus: why would you run it manually? |
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| 21:20.07 | foetus | jelly-home: i use gpm only by hand, invoked by a script. |
| 21:20.13 | jelly-home | foetus: why? |
| 21:20.46 | foetus | jelly-home: i don't need gpm at boottime. |
| 21:21.47 | jelly-home | foetus: I don't need mysql-server at boot time but it's still going to be used by my music player with it gets started eventually |
| 21:22.59 | foetus | jelly-home: a music player needs mysql-server? |
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| 21:24.36 | jelly-home | foetus: yes, don't ask ;-) |
| 21:25.21 | Syloq | scary. |
| 21:25.22 | jelly-home | foetus: I mean, here on my i386 squeeze gpm eats about .5MB RES and 2MB VSZ and no cpu time, why not just leave it running if the log lines annoy you |
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| 21:26.07 | foetus | jelly-home: :) i386, not bad |
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| 21:27.03 | jelly-home | Debian architecture i386. The CPU is from 2005. |
| 21:27.32 | eSa| | now with radeonhd. I had to disable KMS and still no compiz but playback is defintely ok |
| 21:28.02 | thewanderer1 | eSa|, for compiz, just enable Composite |
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| 21:28.24 | jelly-home | foetus: it's meant to be used as a service; this seems clearly like a case of Don't Do That Then. |
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| 21:32.15 | foetus | jelly-home: ok. i thought, you are working on a calculator.. anyway, i must stop this logging..but tomorrow. |
| 21:33.22 | jelly-home | a calculator with debian and syslog? |
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| 21:33.43 | thewanderer1 | I want to create a Debian package and become a maintainer, how to do so? |
| 21:34.08 | moldovean | thewanderer1, !nmg |
| 21:34.14 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: /msg dpkg mentors; /msg dpkg nmg |
| 21:34.19 | thewanderer1 | thx |
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| 21:35.05 | jelly-home | foetus: laku noc ;-) |
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| 21:37.22 | foetus | jelly-home: yes, its time. |
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| 21:40.07 | thewanderer1 | how would I go about creating a simple package with scripts only, no binary parts? do I need to provide some source packages? |
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| 21:41.17 | thewanderer1 | I can build a .deb from an existing directory structure, but don't know how to go about it formally |
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| 21:43.17 | zebradog | thewanderer1, should all be there in /doc from debian.org |
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| 21:43.53 | zebradog | !maint |
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| 21:44.14 | Sia-- | hi |
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| 21:44.37 | Gryllida | $echo $PATH --- /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/eggdrop --- is this normal? |
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| 21:44.52 | Sia-- | is true? that socket need Hardlinks not symlinks? |
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| 21:45.23 | thewanderer1 | Gryllida, if you use eggdrop, yes |
| 21:45.34 | thewanderer1 | Sia--, I have never heard of this |
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| 21:46.39 | anki | hey guys I have of a mistake installed thunar as root now when Im a regular user I cant use it it says permission denied |
| 21:46.54 | thewanderer1 | anki, you do know this is no #gentoo, right? |
| 21:46.55 | mh_ | i have a problem during a debian installer.. i have mounted /dev/sda.. and would like to umount the device without reboot.. but i keep getting this Device or resource busy error message.. |
| 21:46.58 | Sia-- | thewanderer1, :) |
| 21:47.11 | anki | yeah |
| 21:47.14 | anki | ofc |
| 21:47.28 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you just need to +x it though |
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| 21:47.52 | anki | I tried chmod +x /usr/bin/thunar |
| 21:47.59 | thewanderer1 | mh_, kill all processes that are accessing it, or if at a loss, try umount -l /dev/sda |
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| 21:50.26 | mh_ | thewanderer1: nice.. thqnks |
| 21:50.58 | planet8 | Need recommendations for a web based mailing list manager (for discussions) on Debian, anyone with experience? |
| 21:51.12 | Gryllida | virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory |
| 21:51.12 | Gryllida | make: *** [Objects/typeobject.o] Error 1 |
| 21:51.29 | Gryllida | I'm installing pythin 2.7, get this error while doing 'make', any suggestions? |
| 21:51.34 | Gryllida | python* |
| 21:51.43 | thewanderer1 | Gryllida, yes, get some more RAM |
| 21:51.51 | thewanderer1 | or swap |
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| 21:52.08 | Gryllida | I can't, this is a shell, can I run make with some memory limit on it, so that it goes slower but doesn't eat ram? |
| 21:52.10 | thewanderer1 | planet8, browse the Debian security advisories and pick a package that has a good security history i.e. doesn't appear in there |
| 21:52.15 | Gryllida | thewanderer1: |
| 21:52.27 | themill | Gryllida: why do you want python2.7? |
| 21:52.32 | loopy1 | noob level here... can I ask a potentially dumb question? well, maybe more strange? |
| 21:52.43 | Bushmills | you just did |
| 21:52.47 | Gryllida | themill, to use a library which was introduced in 2.6+ |
| 21:53.10 | loopy1 | i download files and they show up 20 or so more MB larger... ????? |
| 21:53.17 | thewanderer1 | Gryllida, make should not normally consume too much memory, check `free -m`, something may be wrong with your machine i.e. too little memory |
| 21:53.42 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, perhaps they are just large and nobody told you :P |
| 21:54.04 | themill | Gryllida: most of those libraries already existed in python for 2.5+ anyway. Fiddling with something like python isn't really a good idea anyway (make sure you install to /usr/local or /opt) |
| 21:54.06 | Gryllida | total 1440 used 1362 (mem) ; total 2047 used 834 (swap) |
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| 21:54.29 | thewanderer1 | Gryllida, you're low on memory |
| 21:54.33 | loopy1 | thewanderer1, I don't think so :-( |
| 21:54.34 | thewanderer1 | free up some |
| 21:54.40 | Gryllida | themill. I am updating python. I already know I can quit this idea. But still I hope I can do it. |
| 21:54.41 | Bushmills | loopy1: you're aware that 100 MiB are 104857600 bytes? |
| 21:54.52 | loopy1 | yeah |
| 21:55.03 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, what do you download with and what do you use to inspect sizes? |
| 21:55.04 | loopy1 | I download the same file on the desktop and it shows up normally |
| 21:55.08 | Gryllida | can I run make with some memory limit on it, so that it goes slower but doesn't eat ram? |
| 21:55.15 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, use wget, it will report your download size before the download |
| 21:55.29 | loopy1 | can i use something after the download? |
| 21:55.44 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, check the size with du -sh FILE |
| 21:55.53 | loopy1 | ok |
| 21:55.55 | thewanderer1 | Gryllida, check ulimit, but it's still hard to run it without enough RAM |
| 21:55.57 | loopy1 | brb |
| 21:56.09 | thewanderer1 | Gryllida, if you are root, increase swappiness to 80 and free up some space |
| 21:56.26 | thewanderer1 | if not, ask the admin to boost the RAM |
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| 21:56.55 | Gryllida | $ ulimit |
| 21:56.56 | Gryllida | 40960 |
| 21:57.04 | Gryllida | I'm not root. |
| 21:57.16 | thewanderer1 | yes, you are supposed to know how to run ulimit - manpages are GOOD |
| 21:57.24 | loopy1 | thewanderer, thanks... it shows up as normal... well, an extra mb |
| 21:57.40 | loopy1 | I don't get it.. .why is the icon display showing more mb???? |
| 21:57.46 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, check with wget so that you can see where the difference is |
| 21:57.53 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, what desktop environment? |
| 21:57.58 | loopy1 | LXDE |
| 21:58.09 | thewanderer1 | it has some options to use different size units I think |
| 21:58.16 | loopy1 | can i run wget to find the diff. after the file is dl? |
| 21:58.39 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, no, but you can start the download and the server will tell you the size in the headers |
| 21:58.58 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, if you are downloading from HTTP with GET, just send there a HTTP request and read the headers |
| 21:59.00 | loopy1 | size in the headers? |
| 21:59.07 | thewanderer1 | loopy1, yes, in HTTP |
| 21:59.25 | thewanderer1 | do you know how to write HTTP requests? |
| 21:59.31 | loopy1 | no |
| 21:59.58 | thewanderer1 | you connect to the host with netcat or so |
| 22:00.08 | thewanderer1 | like this: netcat www.somehost.com 80 |
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| 22:09.43 | eli_ | Im just trying to learn configuring a mail server. one thing thats not so clear for me right now is the difference between sendmail and POP. |
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| 22:10.17 | rvsjoen | pop is a protocol, sendmail is a mail transfer agent |
| 22:11.05 | eli_ | As a understands it sendmail is used by smtp servers to send mail bethween them while pop is used by mua (mail user agents) to get the mail from the local smtp server to the client program(evolution) |
| 22:12.09 | thewanderer1 | eli_, not at all |
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| 22:12.20 | eli_ | I thought smtp was the protocol which was used by mail servers |
| 22:12.30 | thewanderer1 | eli_, sendmail is a program that speaks SMTP protocol to talk with other SMTP-compatible mail servers |
| 22:12.44 | thewanderer1 | POP is used by mua to retrieve mail from a server |
| 22:12.50 | thewanderer1 | but SMTP server != POP server |
| 22:12.58 | thewanderer1 | SMTP is one thing and POP is another |
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| 22:13.31 | rvsjoen | and if you're going to do this, you should strongly consider IMAP as an alternative instead of POP |
| 22:13.34 | thewanderer1 | you can use SMTP without POP - the mail might be delivered via SMTP, then saved on a pendrive, carried by a pizza boy to another house and put on a POP server |
| 22:14.46 | eli_ | ok so now I see it as this. I need one computer with sendmail on to act as my mail server. Then my MUA should request their mail with POP which I maybe need to specify in the configuration files for sendmail |
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| 22:15.28 | rvsjoen | no, sendmail sends mail. period. |
| 22:16.04 | eli_ | There no such thing as POP server? |
| 22:16.07 | fbh | rvsjoen: er no.. sendmail can receive e-mail. |
| 22:16.27 | rvsjoen | bad definition, sendmail transfers mail |
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| 22:16.43 | rvsjoen | it uses SMTP to do so, SMTP is a transfer protocol |
| 22:17.07 | fbh | Yes, I know. I just thought you didn't :P |
| 22:17.07 | rvsjoen | POP and IMAP are access protocols, you use them to access a mailbox |
| 22:17.19 | eli_ | ok then Im with you |
| 22:17.24 | eli_ | thanks for the help |
| 22:17.50 | fbh | You can use dovecot for communicating with MUA's |
| 22:18.45 | rvsjoen | and for the record, I find postfix much easier to configure than sendmail |
| 22:18.45 | fbh | Agreed |
| 22:18.45 | eli_ | another question sendmail, pop and IMAP they are all MTAs? |
| 22:18.49 | fbh | I use postfix with dovecot and a bunch of other stuff |
| 22:19.01 | rvsjoen | no, POP and IMAP are still protocols |
| 22:19.13 | thewanderer1 | eli_, protocols are not MTA, sendmail is an MTA because it transports e-mail to other servers and to the localhost |
| 22:19.20 | themill | wonders if someone is going to explain send-through-POP next |
| 22:19.23 | jelly-home | eli_: also: Sendmail is just one possible SMTP server. People often use postfix or exim instead of sendmail, which provide the same functionality but are arguably easier to configure. |
| 22:19.36 | eli_ | ok then things are much clearer for me right now |
| 22:19.47 | jelly-home | themill: XTND XMIT will not be mentioned. |
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| 22:20.09 | themill | jelly-home: but it's a lovely extension to the protocol! |
| 22:20.21 | jelly-home | tell that to Eudora *spit* |
| 22:20.25 | eli_ | thanks jelly but I want the hot stuff! |
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| 22:21.10 | jelly-home | eli_: postfix is way hot. |
| 22:21.19 | eli_ | production hot? |
| 22:21.28 | fbh | yes |
| 22:21.28 | rvsjoen | sizzling |
| 22:21.33 | thewanderer1 | eli_, no, it makes your CPU hot |
| 22:22.03 | thewanderer1 | at least on my Compaq 600MHz ^.- |
| 22:22.03 | jelly-home | eli_: ho yez |
| 22:22.23 | fbh | thewanderer1: Then it must take care of a whole lot of e-mail |
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| 22:23.03 | _Trinity_ | I'm thinking of dumping my DLink router to a month or two, actually lend it to someone that needs one momentarily. I can due without it but have the modem with routers built in that ISPs provide (what I have) offer worse service than dedicated routers? in terms of streaming? |
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| 22:23.50 | fbh | _Trinity_: Well it all depends on what kind it is, but generally no. It should be ok |
| 22:23.52 | thewanderer1 | fbh, yes, lots of *strange* offers from the Internet |
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| 22:24.28 | fbh | thewanderer1: Oh, wanna trade some? I can get you really cheap viagra, and I have a nigerian that wants to offer me a billion, I'm sure he'll offer you one to |
| 22:24.29 | fbh | too |
| 22:25.04 | thewanderer1 | right :P |
| 22:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: You're already routing through it anyway, aren't you? |
| 22:25.21 | _Trinity_ | fbh: it's a Arris WTM652 modem, and my router is a DLink 524 series |
| 22:25.36 | thewanderer1 | _Trinity_, unless you have some reliability problems like dropped connections, nope |
| 22:25.52 | fbh | I don't know the brand, but try it. It should do fine |
| 22:25.58 | _Trinity_ | jhutchins_lt: well, I am but last time I circumvented hte router, streaming seems to have sucked |
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| 22:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: dlink is pretty close to the lowest quality stuff anyway. |
| 22:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: circumvented? Huh? |
| 22:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: Doesn't the wtm connect you to the internet? |
| 22:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: So your connection has to go through it anyway, dlink or no? |
| 22:27.16 | _Trinity_ | my connection always goes through the modem, yes. |
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| 22:27.48 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: So you're removing a layer of complexity - or did you disable something on the wtm when you connected the dlink? |
| 22:27.55 | _Trinity_ | I just took the dlink out of the equation once and seemed to have noticed a drop in service quality |
| 22:28.17 | thewanderer1 | _Trinity_, right, if you need more buffers then more network complexity = good |
| 22:28.32 | thewanderer1 | that's about the only case it is so, though :P |
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| 22:28.46 | _Trinity_ | it's more like I'm wondering if DLink offers something that the modem (with the router built in) doesn't |
| 22:28.53 | _Trinity_ | yeah |
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| 22:29.31 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: Well, the dlink has a firewall, which the modem might not have, and that would make a significan difference. |
| 22:29.50 | thewanderer1 | does anybody need a firewall anyway? |
| 22:30.07 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yes. |
| 22:30.17 | _Trinity_ | I certainly feel better behind one |
| 22:30.22 | andres833 | hi all |
| 22:30.27 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It should be on a seperate device too. |
| 22:30.30 | thewanderer1 | I run shorewall cause I don't know how to configure NAT myself :P |
| 22:30.35 | andres833 | some person have configure vtiger + ldap?? |
| 22:30.39 | _Trinity_ | should b |
| 22:30.54 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, I thought firewalls were only needed with legacy Windows networks? |
| 22:31.39 | _Trinity_ | there was some talk years ago about them not being needed (as much) with gnu-linux |
| 22:31.58 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Perhaps you are thinking of anti-virus software? |
| 22:32.04 | eli_ | nobody cares but just wanna tell you anyway that Im gonna drop the sendmail idea and go with either exim4 or postfix |
| 22:32.04 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, no |
| 22:32.17 | fbh | eli_: I vote for postfix |
| 22:32.20 | _Trinity_ | on ubuntu forums but then they developed their own --as if turning a 180 degress on their previous stance |
| 22:32.24 | thewanderer1 | eli_, postfix is rather good if you have charisma |
| 22:32.47 | thewanderer1 | _Trinity_, that was to attract newbies who thought a firewall is needed on desktop PC's |
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| 22:33.13 | TalkingMinds | http://dj-monki.de:50000/listen.pls |
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| 22:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I think you'd probably better do a little more reasearch before you advise people on this subject. |
| 22:34.09 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, probably, I just never saw a need for a firewall on home networks |
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| 22:34.17 | thewanderer1 | perhaps for policy control in companies |
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| 22:34.37 | thewanderer1 | but as we have smart malware now, firewalls are no good anymore so that's my opinion |
| 22:34.40 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Certainly there's a need if you're running any Windows machines, but it's also a good idea of you're running any internal servers. |
| 22:34.44 | _Trinity_ | Still, I always use a firewall. I think it can help in terms of security. You can configure ufw to not answer packets that are initiated from exterior --which I think is cool |
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| 22:35.23 | thewanderer1 | _Trinity_, you're cool as long as nothing cracks your firewall, for instance packets initiated from the outside or the NAT traversal code... it's always good to do research |
| 22:35.31 | thewanderer1 | s/outside/inside/ |
| 22:35.31 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: For further information, you should see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ and/or http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 22:36.06 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I find your opinion stunningly misinformed. |
| 22:36.11 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, http://samy.pl/pwnat/ - it might be a good reading for you |
| 22:36.14 | _Trinity_ | thewanderer1: yep but that's one problem that hasn't been solved |
| 22:37.47 | _Trinity_ | I guess the solution would be to do something like m$ or os x is doing where the user has to explicitly allow an app permission --but then again how is a user going to blindly allow anything an app wants to do. Still, I think it's progress. |
| 22:37.52 | thewanderer1 | I might be exaggerating while saying that firewalls serve no purpose, but I am sure as hell a firewall does not make a network secure |
| 22:38.11 | thewanderer1 | there are already solutions like that for Linux |
| 22:38.18 | _Trinity_ | ah |
| 22:38.23 | _Trinity_ | haven't come acress one |
| 22:38.27 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I suggest you actually read those links, they have further information on securing networks. |
| 22:38.36 | thewanderer1 | uid and gid matching is now part of iptables |
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| 22:38.52 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: You might be interested as well; ip-masq is basically about how to build a router. |
| 22:38.53 | fbh | I |
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| 22:39.07 | fbh | I'd like to know know what happened if we dropped the firewalls at work. |
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| 22:39.09 | _Trinity_ | the blfilter author mentions that it hasn't been solved and so I took him at his word (I read some of his documentation). |
| 22:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | I use Linksys WRT's running dd-wrt these days, used to build dedicated boxes. |
| 22:39.33 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, I'll surely read up on ipmasq, I need to learn how to do that without shorewall finally |
| 22:39.47 | _Trinity_ | fbh: lol!! maybe you should try and find out! |
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| 22:40.02 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: skype (and probably other apps) use similar tricks as that pwnat tool to traverse NAT. This doesn't always work. It won't work with decent enough equipment. |
| 22:40.10 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Either of those is a good guide, and they offer basic scripts and examples of how to set them up. |
| 22:40.14 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, so I hope! |
| 22:40.15 | LamerC | Any apache2 folk here? My upgrade of Apache last now has the main configuration file with lines like 'PidFile ${APACHE_PID_FILE}'. Is it supposed to be like that? What does the ${...} mean (it also has such lines for User and Group |
| 22:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: If you actually understand what you're doing with shorewall, you're well on your way to iptables. |
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| 22:40.41 | thewanderer1 | LamerC, they are variables inferred from other files in /etc/apache2/ |
| 22:40.45 | thewanderer1 | grep for them |
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| 22:40.55 | jhutchins_lt | LamerC: Those are variables that are passed by the init script. |
| 22:41.03 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, whenever I think I do, Tom Eastep pops up and tells me I don't :P |
| 22:41.42 | jhutchins_lt | I've used shorewall for it's ability to quickly and easily block an agressive IP. |
| 22:42.12 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.13 | LamerC | Okay, I seem them in /etc/apache2/envvars, I didn't know you could reference variables like that in the configuration |
| 22:42.27 | thewanderer1 | there's apf now - semi-intelligent, I think it might be an alternative to 'firewalls' as we know them today |
| 22:42.33 | _Trinity_ | I looked at shorewall and I didn't like it |
| 22:42.36 | thewanderer1 | or purely a trend-setter |
| 22:42.53 | _Trinity_ | ufw all the way! |
| 22:42.53 | thewanderer1 | LamerC, at some point in past you couldn't :P |
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| 22:44.14 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, you can't have access to /etc in its entirety without root access, take shadow for example |
| 22:44.36 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, it is possible to make a cronjob to archive that for you, chown to your user and secure (encrypt) |
| 22:44.54 | tharkun | thewanderer1: he he i just did that :-) |
| 22:45.24 | LamerC | Ok. Can this be used in other directives? I have some virtual hosts with paths often reused: <DocumentRoot /path/to/blah/htdocs> ErrorLog /path/to/blah/logs/error.log, etc. Could I somehow use this to simplify it <documentroot ${BASE}/htdocs> ErrorLog ${BASE}/logs/error.log, with some BASE variable set to /path/to/blah? |
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| 22:45.40 | _Trinity_ | anyone here use Dvorak? |
| 22:46.09 | thewanderer1 | LamerC, try and see :D |
| 22:46.11 | tharkun | thewanderer1: thx anyway it was a matter of reorginizing thoughts |
| 22:47.29 | jhutchins_lt | LamerC: Yep, have a look at bash environment variables for more insight. |
| 22:48.20 | _Trinity_ | I'm reading that my modem does or did have problems with downloads during the last parts of a dl. I've never noticed a problem but I''ll give it a try w/o my router anyway since I'm going through modem anyway and I don't need the router at this moment |
| 22:48.43 | thewanderer1 | I find modems with routers built-in creepy |
| 22:48.57 | _Trinity_ | me too |
| 22:49.04 | thewanderer1 | anything more than a media converter sounds bad |
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| 22:50.26 | _Trinity_ | I even thought that it might be a way of limiting dls or bandwidth but I imagine they can do the same if I plug my router into it or plug my computer straight into the modem/roter |
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| 22:50.51 | jhutchins_lt | _Trinity_: Might be a software update available. |
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| 22:51.38 | okayzed | what's the name for a package that just provides dependencies? like a group package for multiple packages |
| 22:52.43 | jelly-home | okayzed: a metapackage |
| 22:52.45 | jhutchins_lt | okayzed: pseudo-package? I think Debian tends to call them virtual packages, and they show up a "v" in the listings. |
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| 22:52.58 | okayzed | it's not a virtual package |
| 22:53.02 | okayzed | thanks jelly-home |
| 22:53.31 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: virtual packages are those that don't actually exist, but are provided by (a few) real alternatives, like mail-transfer-agent |
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| 22:53.56 | jhutchins_lt | Ok. |
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| 22:54.24 | jhutchins_lt | So they're really just markers in the package database that get put there when a qualifying package installs? |
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| 22:55.14 | jelly-home | there are no markers per se, it's just that package newfoo Provides: virtualfoo |
| 22:55.24 | themill | some packages are both virtual and concrete, for even more fun. |
| 22:55.24 | jelly-home | and there's no virtualfoo in sight |
| 22:55.31 | jelly-home | themill: dammit |
| 22:55.33 | themill | ,rprovides mail-transport-agent |
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| 22:55.46 | judd | mail-transport-agent in lenny/i386 is provided by: esmtp-run, msmtp-mta, citadel-mta, courier-mta, exim4-daemon-heavy, exim4-daemon-light, masqmail, nullmailer, postfix, sendmail-bin, ssmtp, xmail. |
| 22:57.20 | jelly-home | themill: rhel has one thing going for it tho, you can install multiple MTAs there and the binaries are managed via alternatives |
| 22:57.35 | themill | jelly-home: that's an advantage? |
| 22:57.47 | jelly-home | themill: when you have leftover mail in queue, definitely |
| 22:58.15 | themill | heh |
| 22:58.17 | jelly-home | and if you don't have mail in queue, you're not really running a mail server... |
| 22:58.49 | _Trinity_ | I'll be back. |
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| 23:08.13 | zinx | joko: ask the vendor for a version that's not outdated |
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| 23:12.09 | rryouumaa | hi all, i need informed opinions on smf vs. phorum vs. phpbb vs. mybb. |
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| 23:13.25 | jelly-home | !polls |
| 23:13.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 23:13.34 | thewanderer1 | rryouumaa, phpBB is used by forums.debian.net, that's all I know |
| 23:14.23 | jelly-home | rryouumaa: a generic ##Linux or a php channel might be of more help |
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| 23:14.40 | jelly-home | (php only of all of those are php apps) |
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| 23:17.02 | jaggz- | how do I process utf-8 text in C in debian? I can't find a library for it (found one which said it does C but the API docs were all C++ .. ) .. |
| 23:17.57 | thewanderer1 | jaggz-, an example search result: libunistring0 - Unicode string library for C |
| 23:18.04 | jaggz- | I need to to find word boundaries.. like nbsp (utf-8, not html :), line-separator (u+2028), etc. |
| 23:18.28 | thewanderer1 | I'm not a C programmer so I can't help you... apt-cache is your friend |
| 23:18.59 | thewanderer1 | or you could write your own functions |
| 23:19.02 | jaggz- | yeah that's not listed in my aptitude search.. |
| 23:19.15 | thewanderer1 | shouldn't be too hard to locate a sequence of chars |
| 23:20.00 | jaggz- | except they might belong to adjacent unicode sequences.. so the lib is probably best |
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| 23:20.23 | jaggz- | easiest? vs. coding my own utf-8 implementation.. but that probably shouldn't be too bad either.. |
| 23:20.29 | rfranknj | how can i allow a certain user (such as www-data) to bind port 80 |
| 23:20.55 | jelly-home | jaggz-: GNU grep and most other GNU tools work well with UTF-8 locales. The source is available as always. |
| 23:21.04 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, you can't do that, you can only set process capabilities before forking() and setuid() |
| 23:21.38 | Zharf | jaggz-, glib |
| 23:21.47 | rfranknj | damn, i thought so. thx thewanderer1 |
| 23:22.11 | jelly-home | jaggz-: glibc has multibyte character APIs, like mbtowc(3) |
| 23:22.22 | thewanderer1 | look into capabilities system tho, it has some nice stuff to offer |
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| 23:22.57 | jelly-home | but yeah, GLib is probably more sensible to start |
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| 23:24.05 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: have you ever managed to make them work for that purpose (binding a low port as nonroot)? |
| 23:24.18 | pyrophelia | anybody here work with svn servers? I'm trying to run an svn server to keep track of final cut projects and i'm a little confused as to how the permissions on the folders should be configured |
| 23:25.21 | jelly-home | rfranknj: what you _can_ do, is make a nonroot user bind a fixed high port, and have iptables redirect from :80 to that high port |
| 23:25.44 | pyrophelia | every time I try to commit a project file I'm getting permission denied |
| 23:25.49 | thewanderer1 | either that, or bind 80 as root and fork() and setuid() then |
| 23:26.12 | jelly-home | that's what all the web servers do, after all |
| 23:26.49 | pyrophelia | db/txn-current-lock': Permission denied: 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data subversion 2 2010-07-21 18:57 txn-current |
| 23:27.21 | pyrophelia | is the default umask wrong? |
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| 23:33.21 | rryouumaa | jelly-home: hi, i asked specifically on #debian because i share the philosophy of debian, and consider debian users to have a little more going on wrt judging software than other groups of people. i am aware of the "anyone" rule. |
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| 23:34.57 | rfranknj | how are permissions supposed to be setup for a webserver? all of my files are owned by www-data:www-data, and i'm user rfranknj:rfranknj.. how should i set it up so i have write access to the files (without suing to www-data) |
| 23:35.59 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, what scripting language are you running? PHP? |
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| 23:36.24 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: yeah, server is lighttpd |
| 23:36.45 | jelly-home | rryouumaa: heh. Well ask yourself, are any of the mentioned (good enough to be) in Debian; and also, are the versions packages in Debian usable and well maintained? That'll give you a sense of their respective maintainers' opinions. |
| 23:37.04 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, you won't do that with lighttpd - unless you want to run lighttpd as rfranknj, or chown all your WWW files to www-data after you edit them |
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| 23:37.24 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, I have a howto for Apache with complete setup tho |
| 23:37.29 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: i don't mind the files being owned by www-data, i'd just like to be able to write to them |
| 23:37.42 | rfranknj | if i have them setup like ug=rwx,o= or so |
| 23:37.52 | thewanderer1 | are you on a shared vhost or so? |
| 23:37.52 | rryouumaa | jelly-home: i am in exile from debian atm |
| 23:38.08 | rryouumaa | (hope to rejoin soon) |
| 23:38.28 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: no, dedicated server |
| 23:38.36 | rryouumaa | jelly-home: those questions are excellent and what i was kind of hoping for in answers heere |
| 23:39.07 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, then just chgrp the files to www-data and give them g+w |
| 23:39.26 | thewanderer1 | it's not secure if you have other users in www-data, but if it's only personal then it suffices |
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| 23:40.48 | DrJ | first time installing debian: do I really need anymore than the first DVD to install |
| 23:40.55 | DrJ | I'm assuming 2-5 just has extra stuff |
| 23:41.12 | jelly-home | rryouumaa: ah. well. http://packages.debian.org/ has some search utilities. After/if you find the packages (I only know phpbb is there, package phpbb3), look at http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://packages.qa.debian.org/sourcepackagename to see the current number of bugs and get an ides of how well the packages are dealt with |
| 23:41.21 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: the files are owned by www-data and grp www-data, the problem is that my user rfranknj can't access them; i thought a usermod -a -G www-data rfranknj would suffice but apparently not |
| 23:41.55 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, chown them all to rfranknj:www-data |
| 23:42.07 | thewanderer1 | it's not necessary to have them owned by the webserver |
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| 23:42.55 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: well, there's two other people who'd also like to be able to edit them, the box is owned by the three of us |
| 23:43.03 | rfranknj | which is why i wanted to try and avoid doing that |
| 23:43.26 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, then use ACL and grant them access |
| 23:43.50 | thewanderer1 | besides, if they are in www-data group, they can already write the files |
| 23:44.09 | thewanderer1 | (if you set files to g+w) |
| 23:44.42 | rfranknj | that's what i figured but i can't read them. was my usermod line correct? |
| 23:44.44 | jelly-home | rryouumaa: the problem is omission from debian also doesn't mean an app is faulty; it might be just new, or it might have a weird non-DFSG license but otherwise suitable for your purposes |
| 23:45.27 | DrJ | anyone? |
| 23:45.28 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, if you are in doubt, try `adduser rfranknj www-data` |
| 23:45.28 | jelly-home | rryouumaa: but if it's there, it means someone cared enough to package it at least once in last 1-3 years |
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| 23:45.50 | thewanderer1 | DrJ, DVD 1 is enough, in fact you could get by with one CD only |
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| 23:46.24 | rfranknj | DrJ: get netinst and use that unless you don't have ethernet on the machien you're installing on |
| 23:46.38 | DrJ | has a 1MB connection |
| 23:46.45 | rryouumaa | jelly-home: well, looks like phpbb is the only one on debian |
| 23:46.49 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, other than that, chown them all to your user and use permissions |
| 23:46.54 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: says i'm already a member but i can't access them |
| 23:47.06 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, `newgrp www-data` |
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| 23:47.19 | DrJ | might as well wait though |
| 23:47.25 | DrJ | 13.7% of the first DVD is down |
| 23:48.03 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: still nothin'. i see my user in /etc/group next to www-data |
| 23:48.38 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj: what is the mode of the file you're trying to access? what does `id -a` show? |
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| 23:49.32 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: uid=1000(rfranknj) gid=1000(rfranknj) groups=1000(rfranknj) |
| 23:49.52 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, have you actually issued `newgrp www-data` ? |
| 23:51.13 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: oh, sorry, i was confused as to how newgrp worked :| yeah its working now |
| 23:51.55 | thewanderer1 | ok |
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| 23:52.08 | thewanderer1 | you might want to read my howto on permissions in Linux |
| 23:52.21 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: definitely. could i have a link? |
| 23:52.27 | thewanderer1 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=40627 |
| 23:52.31 | MACscr | how can i find out what mac address my OS is expecting, the OS is debian 5, its a xen hvm guest. Seems its not liking the one assigned to it by xen (i think i screwed up my cfg) |
| 23:52.41 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: thanks a bunch for your help |
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