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| 00:06.10 | thewanderer1 | can I make icedove sit in system tray? |
| 00:06.19 | thewanderer1 | I mean, without alltray |
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| 00:27.23 | craigevil | thewanderer1: you can if you want to use an extension, minimize-to-tray-plus works |
| 00:28.17 | thewanderer1 | craigevil, thanks |
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| 00:31.35 | tharkun | thewanderer1: remember the cronjob to do the rsync, well, i setted it so root could push the backup into another unprivilidge user on a remote machine. It is working now. Any caveats you might find? |
| 00:32.50 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, other than securing the ssh transfer and checking permission on files that get created, no |
| 00:33.50 | tharkun | thewanderer1: ok, I'll review those, i uterly forgot about permissions |
| 00:35.02 | thewanderer1 | also, encrypt the files |
| 00:35.47 | tharkun | doesn't rsync encrypt all traffic with ssh, why would i want to encrypt it also? |
| 00:36.19 | thewanderer1 | because your target machine disk might get plucked out and stolen |
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| 00:36.25 | thewanderer1 | just in case :P |
| 00:36.46 | tharkun | specially laptops :-) |
| 00:37.09 | tharkun | ok, i'll encrypt it using keys |
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| 00:46.30 | thewanderer1 | should I read minimize-to-tray-plus's sources, or is it 'rather safe'? |
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| 00:46.52 | Parabola | i'm looking to change the negotiated speed on my nic via ifconfig, however i dont see values in "man" for gbit |
| 00:46.56 | Parabola | anyone know what i need to enter |
| 00:47.12 | Parabola | fastest i found was 200 for 100mbit full duplex |
| 00:47.23 | Parabola | i was goign to do 2000 but didnt want to break it |
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| 00:49.30 | thewanderer1 | Parabola, use ethtool |
| 00:49.51 | thewanderer1 | it won't allow you to use an unsupported speed anyway |
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| 00:50.16 | thewanderer1 | either that, or your NIC will go down after you set it wrong and will refuse to go up until you set some sane values |
| 00:51.01 | Parabola | ah |
| 00:51.21 | Parabola | i dont have ethtool availible to me |
| 00:51.29 | Parabola | 1000 and 2000 arnet valid values |
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| 00:56.03 | bendbanks | hay does this seem right to everyone apt-get install libncurses5-dev it's a package need for asterisk but i can not seem to get it do i have a type o or have i missed something |
| 00:56.29 | thewanderer1 | Parabola, if you are root then you should get ethtool I think - works for me is all I can say |
| 00:56.52 | Parabola | i'm on BSd |
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| 00:56.59 | Parabola | no ethtool :) but i did figure it out, no values |
| 00:57.02 | Parabola | they use.. WORDS |
| 00:57.06 | Parabola | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-configure-freebsd-full-half-duplex-speed/ |
| 00:57.12 | thewanderer1 | lol :P |
| 00:57.18 | Parabola | i asked here because you guys are very helpful, they arent over there :) |
| 00:57.33 | thewanderer1 | bendbanks, something is obviously not working |
| 00:57.36 | Parabola | anytime i've ever had an issue with my debian boxes, you guys were able to fix it |
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| 00:58.10 | thewanderer1 | ,version libncurses5-dev |
| 00:58.21 | tharkun | Parabola: when you go to the doctor he/she will help you. If you take your car to your doctor, well he/she might have some trouble helping you out :-) |
| 00:58.36 | thewanderer1 | ,versions libncurses5-dev |
| 00:58.38 | judd | libncurses5-dev -- etch: 5.5-5; lenny: 5.7+20081213-1; sid: 5.7+20100313-2; squeeze: 5.7+20100313-2 |
| 00:58.50 | Parabola | lol i know |
| 00:59.05 | thewanderer1 | bendbanks, your package lists are probably fubar'd, I suggest apt-get update |
| 00:59.54 | thewanderer1 | crap, I'm having trouble verifying minimize-to-tray-plus |
| 01:00.19 | Parabola | hahaha |
| 01:00.21 | thewanderer1 | I'm suspicious when it comes to Mozilla extensions, and now this has some weird .so stuff |
| 01:00.25 | Parabola | i just downed the interface over SSH, go me |
| 01:00.33 | thewanderer1 | Parabola, yeah |
| 01:00.54 | Parabola | i messed up the && |
| 01:00.57 | Parabola | CRAP |
| 01:01.00 | thewanderer1 | that's why I always include ' && sleep 5 && RESCUE' |
| 01:01.00 | Parabola | no monitor either |
| 01:01.03 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 01:01.11 | Parabola | oh i tried, i spelled somthing wrong |
| 01:01.14 | Parabola | haha |
| 01:01.27 | thewanderer1 | get yourself some nullmodem cable :P |
| 01:02.21 | Parabola | lolol, i plugged a keyboard in, hit enter twice, typed root, then pass, waited 3 seconds, then tried to bring it back up |
| 01:02.36 | Parabola | crap didnt work |
| 01:03.20 | Parabola | OWNED |
| 01:03.22 | Parabola | it did work |
| 01:03.50 | Parabola | it pings, but i cant SSH |
| 01:04.18 | thewanderer1 | lowl |
| 01:04.39 | thewanderer1 | that's one of these cases I find my KVM-over-IP useful :P |
| 01:04.48 | Parabola | SHHHH |
| 01:04.54 | Parabola | its a ghetto home setup, im working on it |
| 01:05.27 | tharkun | if i need to redirect stdoutput and stderror from bash i do $2>&$1 >somefile.txt right |
| 01:05.40 | Parabola | looks right |
| 01:05.51 | Parabola | idk if theres a space or not |
| 01:05.54 | Parabola | try it |
| 01:05.57 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, >somefile.txt 2>&1 |
| 01:06.38 | tharkun | thewanderer1: thx, it is not everyday stuff thx |
| 01:06.54 | Parabola | im going to stab freebsd |
| 01:07.09 | tharkun | hands Parabola a 10 inch blade |
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| 01:07.18 | Parabola | I need ZFS |
| 01:07.22 | thewanderer1 | Parabola, careful, it has some horns |
| 01:07.23 | Parabola | and open solaris hates this box |
| 01:08.23 | Parabola | is there zfs on linux yet |
| 01:08.43 | thewanderer1 | Parabola, ye |
| 01:09.07 | thewanderer1 | in FUSE and recently there's been some work going on to integrate it with the kernel itself using some strange licence stuff |
| 01:09.27 | Parabola | awseome |
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| 01:09.39 | Parabola | once thats stable, and at least version 14 of ZFS i'll 110% use debian |
| 01:09.42 | Parabola | i hate bsd. |
| 01:09.46 | Parabola | its good for firewalls thats it |
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| 01:10.16 | gnarface | i think you can get pf on debian now too |
| 01:10.23 | Parabola | :o |
| 01:10.25 | gnarface | in fact, i heard that you can get bsd on debian now |
| 01:10.30 | Parabola | YES. |
| 01:10.31 | gnarface | never tried it myself |
| 01:10.32 | lindi- | debian already includes bsd kernel |
| 01:10.51 | gnarface | but for some reason pf was always easier for me to wrap my head around than iptables or ipchains |
| 01:10.55 | gnarface | probably a mental block |
| 01:11.03 | gnarface | or some level of minor autism |
| 01:11.18 | jelly-home | or pf really has a saner syntax. |
| 01:11.21 | lindi- | well iptables is bit like writing assembler |
| 01:11.26 | lindi- | not declarative at all |
| 01:11.50 | lindi- | syntax is ok and it is simple to understand |
| 01:11.51 | Parabola | COMEON |
| 01:12.01 | Parabola | i edited the rc.d and then restarted networking |
| 01:12.05 | Parabola | i can ping it, but cant SSH |
| 01:12.12 | Parabola | and samba is dead |
| 01:12.54 | thewanderer1 | samba is never dead, it's just zombie |
| 01:12.57 | Parabola | man someone show me zfs on debian please |
| 01:13.06 | gnarface | Parabola: you're sure that you're running at a speed that both your switch and ethernet can handle, right? |
| 01:13.06 | thewanderer1 | but you can still see the shadows wiggling |
| 01:13.35 | Parabola | gnarface the other 7 devices plugged in are gbit :) |
| 01:13.46 | Parabola | the nic is an intel pro 1000 and dmesg shows it showing up as such |
| 01:13.54 | Parabola | i just got the switch its brand new |
| 01:14.02 | gnarface | this is lenny? |
| 01:14.09 | thewanderer1 | this is sparta |
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| 01:14.48 | Parabola | k i dont think the NIC is coming back up |
| 01:14.50 | Parabola | fucking great |
| 01:14.54 | Parabola | gonna go eat, ill be back :( |
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| 01:17.44 | nsadmin | if you're trying to run faster than eth handles, you just get throttled down to the rate the ethernet handles |
| 01:18.42 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin, no, strange things happen like sparkles |
| 01:19.41 | nsadmin | doen't eth get negotiated to a rate the slowest dev allows? |
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| 01:20.12 | nsadmin | or are you saying that while negotiation does happen, it doesn't work? |
| 01:20.18 | lost_soul | gnarface: were you one of the people whom I spoke to early this morning about USB woes on lenny? |
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| 01:21.12 | nsadmin | lost_soul: he might even remember... but keep in mind that could be a thousand conversations ago |
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| 01:22.04 | lost_soul | nsadmin: lol, yea.. was hoping I could find one of the two guys that offered ideas so I could give them an update |
| 01:22.51 | nsadmin | what you might try, is provide a little more context... the more unique and noticable the better |
| 01:23.53 | nsadmin | plus, perhaps your irc log shows the conversation |
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| 01:24.44 | nsadmin | with a timestamp on every line and you running NTP, you'd be able to get very close |
| 01:24.53 | gnarface | lost_soul: i remember you but i was pretty trashed by that point. what's new? |
| 01:25.16 | lost_soul | basically the issue was an error "ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7" upon boot. I saw this same behavior on debian, some forks of debian, slackware and on fedora core. The issue was that no USB flash type memory would load. When I cmae in I was using openbsd, and then decided to throw debian on again.. Oddly the flash memory worked off the bat that time and I couldn't figure out why |
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| 01:25.46 | gnarface | flash memory as in an SD card you're booting from? |
| 01:25.54 | lost_soul | it turns out, if I leave my USB keyboard plugged in during boot, this issue comes up, if it's not plugged in.. And plug in after the system is booted.. everything works fine |
| 01:26.10 | gnarface | ok that's new |
| 01:26.23 | lost_soul | gnarface: no, just pendrives I plug in the system to read data off |
| 01:26.41 | gnarface | at first i would have guessed you have usb pen drive that's only capable of usb 1.x speeds and the host controller is trying to run it at 2.x speeds |
| 01:27.00 | gnarface | but the fact that having a usb keyboard plugged in on boot makes a difference is significant |
| 01:27.14 | gnarface | there's a bios option in most computers still for enabling "legacy usb support" |
| 01:27.28 | lost_soul | I still dunno whats up with it.. just that unplugging the keyboard during reboot works as a type of bandaid |
| 01:27.35 | gnarface | right |
| 01:27.47 | gnarface | so mostly the legacy usb support is just there to assign an irq to usb devices |
| 01:28.04 | gnarface | if set to "auto" it would be only happening when you have a keyboard plugged in during the boot process |
| 01:28.04 | lost_soul | gnarface: looked, no option for USB Legacy support.. I can only turn on or turn off the USB controller |
| 01:28.06 | nsadmin | sometimes a hispeed hub will only have one low-speed chip, which means just one device can be lowspeed, and it gets converted to hi |
| 01:28.28 | gnarface | lost_soul: ouch. check for bios updates? what board is this anyway? |
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| 01:29.32 | lost_soul | gnarface: I will look for more info on the board, however it says D33007.. You can see more of it by googling Samba P4 2.4ghz |
| 01:29.57 | lost_soul | sorry, it's a newish system so I haven't gotten all the information yet.. brb, will look for the motherboard itself |
| 01:32.53 | lost_soul | gnarface: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/other/fic-samba1845/board.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mobile/display/fic-samba1845.html&usg=__odOTDeOyQORf4ocE-ymdhIc_mYk=&h=460&w=800&sz=156&hl=en&start=20&tbnid=VKtkQyCXWUtINM:&tbnh=156&tbnw=258&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsamba%2Bp4%2B2.4%2Bghz%2Bmotherboard%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DJeQ%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26b |
| 01:33.03 | lost_soul | that appears to be the motherboard |
| 01:33.08 | lost_soul | sorry for long link |
| 01:33.18 | gnarface | lost_soul: sometimes those usb keyboards come with a ps/2 adapter. you might want to consider trying it as a ps2 keyboard instead :/ |
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| 01:33.50 | gnarface | why is it so wide? |
| 01:33.58 | gnarface | what form factor is that? |
| 01:34.13 | gnarface | oh it's microatx? |
| 01:34.22 | EchoEcho | Hello! Is there any reason to use Apache MPM prefork instead of Apache MPM worker? I want to run the latest Apache installation, but a book I'm reading uses prefork. |
| 01:34.28 | lost_soul | gnarface: yep, considered that also. Unfortunately this is only an 80 something key keyboard.. It's missing some keys I occassionally need so generally leave ps2 plugged in and use usb most of the time |
| 01:34.47 | gnarface | EchoEcho: if you want to use PHP you still need prefork |
| 01:35.09 | EchoEcho | gnarface: wow >< is that also true on Windows & other platforms? |
| 01:35.33 | lost_soul | gnarface: yea, it's a laptop type motherboard.. here is what system looks like http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SAMBA845V-24-4-R&cat=SYS |
| 01:35.37 | gnarface | php is still not thread-safe. worker is the new threaded apache core :( |
| 01:36.25 | EchoEcho | gnarface: sounds like the php folks need to be punched in the face |
| 01:36.32 | EchoEcho | thread-safe FAIL |
| 01:36.46 | gnarface | i'm very sorry |
| 01:36.50 | EchoEcho | heh :/ |
| 01:37.21 | EchoEcho | I may actually be able to get away without PHP, but I doubt it. Are there any other common modules that are not thread-safe? |
| 01:37.37 | gnarface | i write a lot of php so that one is the only one that sticks in my head |
| 01:37.42 | EchoEcho | kk. |
| 01:37.50 | gnarface | i know ruby IS thread safe, but most people tell you ruby doesn't need apache at all |
| 01:38.06 | EchoEcho | k |
| 01:38.12 | gnarface | there might be a way for you to run multiple apache instances if you really want to mess with it |
| 01:38.16 | gnarface | seperate ports |
| 01:38.37 | EchoEcho | yea not really :/ probably won't matter for my installation size, just... irking |
| 01:38.46 | gnarface | bugs me too |
| 01:38.54 | gnarface | fwiw php is still faster than ruby though :-p |
| 01:39.08 | EchoEcho | k. most of my stuff is probably perl/python tho |
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| 01:39.29 | EchoEcho | except for phpbb because I *STILL* can't find a good forum |
| 01:40.18 | fbh | vBulletin is rather nice |
| 01:40.21 | fbh | but it's big |
| 01:40.42 | EchoEcho | yea this would be in the few-dozen-users range |
| 01:40.52 | fbh | Oh okay |
| 01:41.15 | EchoEcho | I'd like most/all of it to be scalable but in reality I'll probably get quite low traffic |
| 01:41.19 | EchoEcho | thanks for suggestion tho :) |
| 01:41.26 | gnarface | lost_soul: not coming up with any reports of this issue on google. my guess is not a lot of people use this board. do you happen to have a link to the manufacturer's website? |
| 01:41.48 | fbh | I have a forum with 50k users - 700-1000 active at the same time, and vBulletin handles that pretty well. |
| 01:42.18 | EchoEcho | daaaang |
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| 01:42.41 | gnarface | lost_soul: also, were there *any* usb-related options in the bios? "legacy usb support" might be listed as something like "assign irq to usb" |
| 01:44.05 | lost_soul | gnarface: only option in bios was to completely disable/enable USB |
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| 01:44.32 | lost_soul | gnarface: let me see if I can find manufacturer's site |
| 01:44.55 | lost_soul | I posted a link to where I bought it from like six months ago, geeks.com.. did you see that one |
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| 01:45.00 | gnarface | lost_soul: has to be the board manufacturer, if it's different from the vendor that put it in that case for you |
| 01:45.18 | gnarface | lost_soul: if all else fails, look on the board for the FCC id. the FCC has a database of all registered hardware vendors and their websites |
| 01:45.52 | Parabola | im back |
| 01:45.54 | lost_soul | gnarface: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mobile/display/fic-samba1845.html |
| 01:45.56 | Parabola | thewanderer1 you still here |
| 01:46.00 | EchoEcho | fbh: here's a REALLY ugly url for forum comparison search I did: http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/Advanced-Electron-Forum%2BbbPress%2BBeehive-Forum%2BdnfBB%2BE-Blah%2BElite-Bulletin-Board%2BFluxBB%2BFUDforum%2BHaveFnuBB!%2BJForum%2BminiBB%2BmvnForum%2BmwForum%2BMyBB%2BNextBBS%2BNovaBoard%2BPhorum%2BphpBB%2BpunBB%2BQuicksilver-Forums%2BSMF%2BTikiWiki-CMS-Groupware%2BUnclassified-NewsBoard%2BUseBB%2BVanilla%2BViscacha%2BXMB |
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| 01:46.20 | thewanderer1 | Parabola, ye |
| 01:46.22 | EchoEcho | fbh: that's for free, OSS, MySQL, flat forums |
| 01:46.37 | fbh | Huge chart :O |
| 01:46.37 | Parabola | sweet |
| 01:46.45 | fbh | Does the chart hold information about scaling? |
| 01:46.45 | thewanderer1 | no, it's 3:46 am |
| 01:47.00 | EchoEcho | fbh: I don't know. The base URL is the main wizard, check it out once. |
| 01:47.02 | Parabola | so i spcified the link speed, now it wont respond, im about to get a monitor to see what happened |
| 01:47.08 | lost_soul | gnarface: will add that to my todo list, I just wanted to keep you updated as to the progress I made and such that way you have more information if someone else comes in with similiar issues |
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| 01:47.17 | thewanderer1 | Parabola, won't a reboot solve it all? |
| 01:47.24 | Parabola | no |
| 01:47.27 | Parabola | i specified it in rc.d :(* |
| 01:47.30 | Parabola | lol |
| 01:47.34 | fbh | I'll have a look. It still runs on one server, but vBulletin supports load balancing over several MySQL servers and such. Pretty important if a forum grows big |
| 01:47.48 | EchoEcho | fbh: holy cow, yeah. |
| 01:47.49 | Parabola | is there anyway the cable i'm using is the issue? |
| 01:47.55 | gnarface | lost_soul: http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/ here's the database. somewhere silkscreened on that board in white (probably front, maybe back) there will be a number like FCC: 392039023, it'll be in text bigger than the trace lines/pin numbers but smaller probably than the big SAMBA1845 |
| 01:48.10 | EchoEcho | fbh: I wasn't really suggesting you move away from vB or anything, just letting you know what I was up to |
| 01:48.15 | gnarface | Parabola: YES |
| 01:48.30 | lost_soul | gnarface: ok, thanks |
| 01:48.52 | Parabola | k tried a cable from one that showed up as gbit |
| 01:48.55 | thewanderer1 | Parabola, specifically, count the pins and the wires... |
| 01:48.57 | Parabola | :( 100mbit still doesnt respond |
| 01:49.13 | gnarface | Parabola: try it at 10 |
| 01:49.19 | Parabola | why |
| 01:49.32 | fbh | EchoEcho: Yeah, but I'm always interested in alternatives. vB is kind of pricey, so if a free product can really match up it'd be worth a try. Migrating the ~750.000 posts would take some time though because the DB design is probably not equal |
| 01:49.32 | gnarface | you said pings go through but not tcp/ip traffic, right? |
| 01:50.06 | EchoEcho | fbh: yea I'm guessing migration of an installation of that size would be a PITA, and blow up just about and F/OSS forum out there :/ |
| 01:50.32 | EchoEcho | fbh: if you're load balancing your MySQL servers, I think you're stuck with proprietary forums lol |
| 01:51.36 | fbh | Currently I'm running it with one, and hopefully I will never have to change that, upgrading the server to a lot of RAM and SSD made load decrease a lot |
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| 01:52.52 | EvilRick | Whats happened to /dists/etch ? |
| 01:53.25 | gnarface | EvilRick: lenny is the new stable |
| 01:53.29 | dvs | EvilRick: it's no longer supported |
| 01:54.04 | EvilRick | no need to get rid of the mirrors tho |
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| 01:54.16 | EchoEcho | fbh: the most critical feature missing from this forummatirx site is WHEN WAS THE SOFTWARE LAST UPDATE. grr 2008 listings.... |
| 01:54.23 | thewanderer1 | EvilRick, read the channel topic..... |
| 01:54.31 | EvilRick | I run several xen servers on etch and it would be a nightmare to upgrade all the VM's |
| 01:54.35 | dvs | EvilRick: some sites disagree |
| 01:54.38 | EvilRick | lol |
| 01:54.39 | EvilRick | I see |
| 01:54.44 | Parabola | aright |
| 01:54.46 | Parabola | monitor hooked up |
| 01:54.49 | Parabola | CANT STOP ME NOW |
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| 01:55.11 | dvs | kicks the plug |
| 01:55.14 | thewanderer1 | disco time! load up fancy console fonts'n'colours |
| 01:55.43 | EvilRick | I'm sure the etch->lenny faq does not include upgrading xend hosted servers in an enterpise environment that cant afford downtime |
| 01:55.50 | EvilRick | bugger |
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| 01:56.31 | fbh | Should have been time enough to upgrade to lenny though |
| 01:56.48 | BrianHV | I screwed up the exim4 upgrade by not accepting the config changes. how do I get another show? dpkg-reconfigure exim4 just tells me that exim4 is broken. |
| 01:57.00 | BrianHV | s/show/shot/ |
| 01:57.28 | Parabola | odd |
| 01:57.33 | Parabola | i change the value in the rc.conf |
| 01:57.36 | Parabola | save it, and it doesnt apply |
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| 01:58.38 | DrJ | debian comes with virtualbox guest additions preinstalled? |
| 01:58.39 | Parabola | okay well "unknown media subtype 10baseTX |
| 01:58.47 | DrJ | pretty cool |
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| 01:59.07 | gnarface | BrianHV: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:59.23 | BrianHV | gnarface: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:59.46 | gnarface | then you might want to consider apt-get --purge on all the exim packages, then install them again |
| 02:00.17 | BrianHV | won't that kill my configuration changes? |
| 02:00.44 | gnarface | BrianHV: hopefully |
| 02:00.54 | thewanderer1 | that's what you have cp for |
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| 02:01.21 | fbh | BrianHV: cp -a /etc/exim4 ~/exim_conf_backup |
| 02:01.30 | gnarface | BrianHV: back them up, then do a complete clean install, and make sure it's all working before you start hacking up the config |
| 02:01.32 | BrianHV | ugh. this happens every time I try to update debian. |
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| 02:02.02 | fbh | If you took the time to review the config changes it wants to make it would not happen. |
| 02:02.56 | BrianHV | perhaps. I checked the diff, but obviously that wasn't enough |
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| 02:05.20 | gnarface | BrianHV: if you're planning on making a habit of this, you might want to consider buying the exim4 book. |
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| 02:07.36 | fbh | BrianHV: What are you using your exim for? Do you run your e-mail on it or do you just use it for sending out mail from webapps and such? |
| 02:07.52 | BrianHV | it's not exim4 in particular that's the problem. I mean, this time it is, but usually it's some other package. |
| 02:07.57 | BrianHV | fbh: I run my email on it |
| 02:08.20 | fbh | I've never experienced any issues when upgrading |
| 02:08.50 | BrianHV | huh. |
| 02:09.05 | BrianHV | I don't think I've ever had a clean upgrade. |
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| 02:09.34 | gnarface | are these updates or upgrades? |
| 02:09.49 | gnarface | like, did you move from etch to lenny? |
| 02:09.54 | gnarface | if so did you use dist-upgrade? |
| 02:09.57 | BrianHV | usually dist-upgrades. this time it was just a lenny upgrade. |
| 02:11.04 | gnarface | well if you make a lot of manual changes in /etc, you really gotta deal with it not ignore it when it warns you of a conflict |
| 02:11.25 | gnarface | background the upgrade process to examine the situation |
| 02:11.27 | BrianHV | argh I bouncing email |
| 02:11.29 | BrianHV | I'm |
| 02:11.29 | gnarface | diff the files in question yourself |
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| 02:12.58 | BrianHV | I don't have an email daemon running. why is it bouncing? |
| 02:13.46 | gnarface | maybe it's pretending |
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| 02:13.58 | gnarface | why are you bouncing exim4? |
| 02:14.25 | BrianHV | email to my domain is bouncing |
| 02:14.48 | BrianHV | as in, anyone trying to contact me will think that I no longer have that email |
| 02:14.54 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:15.04 | BrianHV | as in, I'm screwed if I don't figure this out quickly |
| 02:15.07 | gnarface | sounds like it failed to start due to configuration errors |
| 02:15.23 | BrianHV | sure, but if the remote server can't connect, it shouldn't bounce. it should retry. |
| 02:15.59 | gnarface | uh |
| 02:16.03 | gnarface | not sure about that actually |
| 02:16.12 | gnarface | but either way you need to look in /var/log/exim4 |
| 02:16.39 | fbh | That depends on what the remote server is configured to do when not able to connect. |
| 02:16.50 | BrianHV | wtf godaddy |
| 02:16.59 | gnarface | haha |
| 02:17.06 | gnarface | godaddy, that was your first mistake |
| 02:17.13 | gnarface | their mail system is utterly retarded |
| 02:19.00 | BrianHV | begs dpkg to just give him the new config file without having to reinstall every package that touches email |
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| 02:21.18 | thewanderer1 | !tell BrianHV what config he should use for it to work |
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| 02:24.58 | BrianHV | ok. we're back up. |
| 02:25.00 | BrianHV | breathes. |
| 02:25.23 | BrianHV | considers writing a nastygram to godaddy. |
| 02:25.26 | KB1JWQ | Yay. |
| 02:26.02 | KB1JWQ | BrianHV: And unless you're set to reject with hard 5xx failures, they'll retry. |
| 02:26.14 | gnarface | BrianHV: save that for when all your outgoing mail looks like spam because their "smart (dumb)" host setup makes all your outgoing mail indistinguishable from forgeries |
| 02:26.44 | BrianHV | KB1JWQ: so, the trick is that apparently I had a godaddy "backup mail" service as my backup mx |
| 02:27.06 | gnarface | ah. so something got the mail? |
| 02:27.08 | BrianHV | KB1JWQ: and apparently, when this service notices that my mail isn't working, it totally takes over email |
| 02:27.09 | KB1JWQ | Yikes. |
| 02:27.25 | BrianHV | like, it changed *all* my mail related dns records to point to this service |
| 02:27.44 | BrianHV | and apparently this service was bouncing my emails |
| 02:27.45 | fbh | lol |
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| 02:28.11 | fbh | Time to use a serious DNS provider instead |
| 02:28.12 | BrianHV | so not only was it not backing up my mail, it was (maliciously?) causing my mail to be rejected |
| 02:28.28 | BrianHV | yeah, I think I'm going to transfer DNS to linode |
| 02:28.32 | gnarface | i find everything godaddy does to be malicious |
| 02:28.36 | BrianHV | in fact, I'm doing that right now. |
| 02:28.38 | gnarface | they've never failed to piss me off |
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| 02:29.00 | gnarface | good luck getting them to let go of your dns if you originally registered with them :-/ |
| 02:29.27 | fbh | huh, changing DNS should not be an issue. |
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| 02:29.47 | BrianHV | yeah... taking the domain names away might be, since I've clearly decided to do that now. |
| 02:30.02 | fbh | If you'd like to change youre registrar as well I can recommend mydomain.com or namecheap.com - both are always working and their interfaces are quite easy |
| 02:30.16 | gnarface | i like doubledomains.com |
| 02:30.47 | gnarface | the trick is to go with any registrar whose primary business isn't actually web hosting. |
| 02:30.49 | fbh | $17.99 for a .com? that's insane |
| 02:31.39 | gnarface | it's not as expensive as internic or directnic |
| 02:31.41 | gnarface | and it's worth it |
| 02:31.58 | jpinx-eeepc | try zoneedit.com |
| 02:31.59 | au | heh $18 for a .com?? |
| 02:32.10 | gnarface | if i recall, you get 2 for the price of one |
| 02:32.12 | au | I use godaddy.com, $10.80 I think for a com |
| 02:32.13 | jpinx-eeepc | cheap and leave you alone to do what you want |
| 02:32.21 | au | sounds good jpinx-eeepc |
| 02:32.33 | gnarface | doubledomains.com == two for the price of one. get it? double domains |
| 02:32.44 | fbh | namecheap.com is $8.98 for a domain including free whois protection AND a free SSL certificate |
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| 02:33.03 | au | godaddy have been good to me since I've been with them, so I will stick with them |
| 02:33.28 | neoice | anyone familiar with the phpmyadmin bug where it says tables exist but wont show them? its not a permissions issue. |
| 02:33.29 | jpinx-eeepc | godaddy are fine if you want to do it "their" way ;) |
| 02:33.52 | au | I've heard alot of complaints about them but I have never had a bad experience |
| 02:34.10 | gnarface | neoice: just use the console mysql tool. it won't give you as much trouble and it will make you smarter |
| 02:34.28 | neoice | gnarface: yeah, i'm using that as well. lusers depend on the phpmyadmin though, so I gotta fix it |
| 02:34.49 | gnarface | au: you've clearly never tried to deploy a public mail system on their servers then |
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| 02:35.36 | au | gnarface: I have not. :) |
| 02:35.44 | au | gnarface: I run my own mail servers :) |
| 02:35.53 | gnarface | neoice: are either your php install or database tables using or containing data in character sets other than iso-8859-1 |
| 02:36.04 | gnarface | ? |
| 02:36.08 | neoice | gnarface: I think so |
| 02:36.16 | gnarface | if you have unicode tables |
| 02:36.25 | gnarface | make sure your php install is configured to serve unicode pages |
| 02:36.28 | neoice | gnarface: like I said, most of the databases arent mine, I just manage it |
| 02:37.07 | neoice | gnarface: it was working previously. the system just hardlocked and crashed and now the DB stuff is broken |
| 02:37.08 | gnarface | neoice: honestly i'd recommend forcing your developers to maintain their own phpmyadmin installs in their private workstations/jails |
| 02:37.24 | gnarface | eek |
| 02:37.32 | au | namecheap.com looks very good |
| 02:37.33 | gnarface | neoice: considered the possibility of table corruption? :( |
| 02:38.14 | fbh | au: namecheap is really nice. I was recommended trying them around 6 months ago and I did, I have around 5 domains with them and everything just works INSTANTLY. even nameserver updates are instant |
| 02:38.24 | fbh | and the whois servers are also updated instantly. no delay |
| 02:38.25 | neoice | gnarface: possibly, except for the fact that one of the vhosts (a mediawiki install) is running fine. |
| 02:38.40 | neoice | despite the fact that phpmyadmin claims the DB has no tables. |
| 02:38.56 | gnarface | neoice: you sure it's connecting to the right database? |
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| 02:39.13 | neoice | gnarface: yes, nothing changed except a swap/RAM related crash. |
| 02:39.42 | gnarface | has never seen this |
| 02:39.54 | gnarface | has heard horror stories about mysql table corruption though |
| 02:40.11 | neoice | I saw it once before |
| 02:40.11 | gnarface | isn't there a mysql stock script that can run through and check for broken/corrupted tables and indexes? |
| 02:40.12 | neoice | and fixed it. |
| 02:40.22 | neoice | but I forget how |
| 02:40.37 | gnarface | look in the mysql bin directory for a repair tables script |
| 02:40.54 | gnarface | it runs automatically on first install, but i don't know what it's called |
| 02:41.12 | gnarface | you might also want to consider the possibility that it's a phpmyadmin bug |
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| 02:41.27 | gnarface | keep in mind phpmyadmin is made by and for people who don't understand the console mysql tool |
| 02:41.45 | neoice | yeah, I'm not afraid of the console tool |
| 02:41.47 | gnarface | if there is a newer version out, i'd try it right away |
| 02:41.48 | neoice | or raw SQL |
| 02:42.42 | neoice | gnarface: there's `mysqlrepair` |
| 02:42.47 | neoice | but that doesnt seem to fix it |
| 02:43.10 | gnarface | you say these tables show up everywhere but in phpmyadmin? |
| 02:43.30 | gnarface | you can see them missing tables with the console tool and all other software accesses these tables fine? |
| 02:44.23 | neoice | oh yeah |
| 02:44.38 | neoice | just did SHOW TABLES on one of the corrupted DB |
| 02:44.41 | neoice | shows all 41 tables |
| 02:44.47 | neoice | and the mediawiki page is up and taking input. |
| 02:45.09 | gnarface | i don't suppose there's anything useful showing up in the php error log? |
| 02:45.46 | neoice | just the standard 404s for brute-force attackers |
| 02:46.27 | gnarface | sorry i got nothing for you |
| 02:47.16 | gnarface | IS it a current phpmyadmin version? check that first |
| 02:47.28 | gnarface | then check... everything else |
| 02:47.30 | gnarface | twice |
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| 02:47.50 | neoice | gnarface: its whatever's most current in debian |
| 02:48.00 | neoice | I dont think its a software config issue |
| 02:48.15 | neoice | like I said, MySQL went wild and ate my RAM/swap, causing a hard reboot |
| 02:48.24 | neoice | and now everything is broken! yippie |
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| 02:49.44 | neoice | gnarface: I think the way I fixed this last time was dumping/restoring |
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| 02:50.45 | neoice | which the hilarious part is, I can dump the table from this current state and it will contain all the data and restore correctly. |
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| 02:55.00 | neoice | gnarface: can I msg you real quick? |
| 02:55.55 | gnarface | neoice: sure |
| 02:56.06 | neoice | http://thule.neoice.net/external/tmpScreen.png |
| 02:56.08 | neoice | doh |
| 02:57.35 | fbh | eek phpmyadmin without https |
| 02:58.18 | gnarface | that's a good point fbh |
| 02:58.26 | gnarface | neoice: considered this might be malicouis? |
| 02:58.36 | gnarface | er, malicious |
| 02:58.45 | neoice | fbh: I usually VPN/ssh tunnel |
| 02:58.56 | fbh | Do customers? |
| 02:59.02 | neoice | gnarface: like I said, the server crashed out, so I doubt its malicious. |
| 02:59.16 | gnarface | don't be so sure of that... |
| 02:59.24 | neoice | fbh: it can do https. thats why I was supposed to msg it though :P |
| 02:59.31 | neoice | I did see all 4 people hit my apache logs |
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| 03:00.10 | gnarface | neoice: how about mysql? how recent is that? |
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| 03:00.33 | gnarface | 5.0.51a-24+lenny3? |
| 03:00.40 | neoice | gnarface: everything is whatever is most recent in debian stable. I run aptitude every week and monitor the security announces |
| 03:00.56 | neoice | lenny4 even |
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| 03:01.48 | gnarface | a piece of the puzzle must be missing |
| 03:02.43 | neoice | gnarface: the time this happened previously and I fixed it, I was on a very very similar config |
| 03:03.00 | neoice | my personal VM is basically a testbed for Puppet configs that I later deploy in production |
| 03:04.13 | neoice | gnarface: on one of my dev DBs, I literally just did export/import |
| 03:04.16 | neoice | and it fixed it all. |
| 03:04.29 | neoice | all of it. |
| 03:04.30 | gnarface | can you make a fresh VM now? |
| 03:04.45 | neoice | fixing one table refreshed all the broken tables or something. |
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| 03:04.57 | neoice | gnarface: no, out of RAM on my host |
| 03:05.25 | gnarface | no spares? |
| 03:06.15 | neoice | why would I need another VM? just to try and recreate the problem again? |
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| 03:06.22 | BrianHV | wonders why openssh-client wants to install X libraries |
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| 03:06.50 | neoice | BrianHV: you mean like xauth? that always annoys me too. |
| 03:07.04 | karlpinc | neoice: You could always use another vm to test out switching to postgresql. :-) |
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| 03:07.34 | fbh | Let me rephrase that people: You could always use an extra VM. |
| 03:07.40 | neoice | karlpinc: I'm seriously considering it. |
| 03:07.43 | karlpinc | BrianHV: It's because of recommended xauth related package. Use aptitude -R when installing to avoid the problem. |
| 03:07.58 | BrianHV | karlpinc: is there an equivalent for apt-get? |
| 03:07.59 | gnarface | neoice: yes, just try and recreate the problem again on a fresh machine |
| 03:08.27 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 03:08.27 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 03:08.27 | karlpinc | neoice: I much prefer postgres. You do need to give it extra ram in the config. Usually the default is not enough. |
| 03:08.28 | Ruum | hey guys how do you fix this problem: |
| 03:08.30 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/MjKxy6un |
| 03:08.40 | karlpinc | !tell BrianHV about why aptitude |
| 03:08.41 | Ruum | I am trying to install java |
| 03:08.46 | neoice | karlpinc: thanks for the protip about `aptitude -R` |
| 03:08.46 | karlpinc | BrianHV: Probably. |
| 03:09.04 | BrianHV | karlpinc: found it. thanks. :) |
| 03:09.30 | gnarface | neoice: there's a possibility that your mysql issue is also about not enough ram in the config... or about just not enough ram on the host |
| 03:09.32 | karlpinc | !why recommends |
| 03:09.32 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality. |
| 03:09.54 | karlpinc | (But it does not always work out, as in the case of ssh.) |
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| 03:10.14 | neoice | gnarface: it is possible. very early on, I had to up the RAM on the VM since apache+mysql would hit the swap and lock |
| 03:10.23 | gnarface | BrianHV: you if you want x-forwarding over ssh you probably should keep those recommended packages |
| 03:10.50 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 03:10.55 | gnarface | i hate SMS spam |
| 03:11.06 | jpinx-eeepc | BrianHV: I used ssh for x-forwarding and you do need the recommends |
| 03:12.30 | karlpinc | Ruum: That's not much info. You should paste your command as well, and the entire output. |
| 03:12.44 | Ruum | kk I can do that. :-) |
| 03:13.29 | karlpinc | Ruum: Be sure you've run "aptitude update" first. |
| 03:14.17 | Ruum | just did that :-) |
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| 03:15.26 | BrianHV | gnarface: don't need X forwarding. thanks though |
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| 03:17.43 | Ruum | alright guys, here is the whole thing: |
| 03:17.45 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/YnKGynSF |
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| 03:19.49 | fbh | Ruum: check out which app is holding the lock |
| 03:21.03 | Ruum | it looks like this: debconf: DbDriver "config" |
| 03:21.05 | Ruum | maybe? |
| 03:21.11 | fbh | Ruum: Try: fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 03:22.54 | Ruum | just keeping you guys in the loop |
| 03:22.56 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/WrU7n1Sg |
| 03:22.58 | Ruum | its that one |
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| 03:23.19 | Ruum | I can kill that process nicely or quickly |
| 03:23.35 | Ruum | so what do you think? kill -9 or kill -15 ? |
| 03:23.36 | fbh | ps auxf |grep 2677 |
| 03:25.02 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/70geB7LE |
| 03:26.08 | fbh | Okay, kill -XCPU 2677 |
| 03:26.55 | fbh | whoa, netsplit |
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| 03:28.06 | fbh | Ruum: And then try apt-get install -f |
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| 03:29.52 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/9ERYk3uc |
| 03:29.55 | Ruum | done :-) |
| 03:30.10 | fbh | Okay, try installing java again now |
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| 03:33.21 | Zetas | i have a limits.conf question. this may be a newb question but im trying to limit users ram usage.. i have this line: * hard memlock 1000 in my /etc/security/limits.conf but a single user is still able to allocate all the ram on the system, or at least far more then 1mb |
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| 03:34.13 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.32 | Zetas | i may be thinking memlock is the wrong thing to use here, but im not sure what else to do. |
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| 03:35.50 | fbh | qiyong: I haven't tested but http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/apache2-ulimit-help-811478/ |
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| 03:37.06 | fbh | Ruum: ? |
| 03:37.22 | Ruum | kk will do :-) |
| 03:38.26 | Ruum | here is where I got in trouble yesterday... |
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| 03:38.35 | Ruum | I got to this screen: |
| 03:39.23 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/mbwvZWKr |
| 03:39.31 | Ruum | and I hit "enter" |
| 03:39.40 | Ruum | and then it just froze |
| 03:39.47 | Ruum | what did I do wrong? |
| 03:40.26 | fbh | Sounds strange |
| 03:40.35 | Ruum | hell ya!! |
| 03:40.53 | fbh | But actually I don't think I've installed java with apt-get |
| 03:41.12 | Ruum | you used aptitude? |
| 03:41.16 | jpinx-eeepc | !java |
| 03:41.16 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:41.26 | sweetpi | hmm, i think you needed to click ok with a bloody finger |
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| 03:41.56 | fbh | No I just got the package from Sun. I hardly ever use Java |
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| 03:42.22 | jpinx-eeepc | fbh: follow those factoids - it does work ;) |
| 03:42.34 | fbh | Or.. let me rephrase. On my servers I don't use Java, and that's the only place I run Linux |
| 03:43.05 | fbh | jpinx-eeepc: I have never had any problems with java.. I was helping Ruum fix his problems. |
| 03:43.18 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok - my bad.... |
| 03:43.20 | Ruum | thanks fbh |
| 03:43.25 | fbh | yw |
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| 03:48.26 | Ruum | so what is the next step guys |
| 03:48.33 | Ruum | lol do I hit "enter" ? |
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| 03:53.19 | Ruum | !install java |
| 03:53.19 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 04:10.43 | ruxpin | no python2.6 in debian yet, or is this installation very old? |
| 04:11.40 | ruxpin | /etc/debian_release says 5.0 |
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| 04:16.10 | moldovean | , versions python2.6 |
| 04:16.11 | judd | python2.6 -- sid: 2.6.5+20100706-1; squeeze: 2.6.5+20100706-1 |
| 04:17.16 | ruxpin | hmm, not on that box |
| 04:17.50 | ruxpin | I got my stuff running on py2.5 |
| 04:17.56 | moldovean | yes , not in lenny |
| 04:17.58 | ruxpin | so I would not want to break it now :) |
| 04:18.31 | ruxpin | unpacking a dict to method params works better on 2.6 |
| 04:18.54 | ruxpin | with 2.5 I had to write extra 3 lines and do some str() conversion manually :( |
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| 04:19.01 | moldovean | try backport it ;) |
| 04:19.14 | ruxpin | :) |
| 04:19.23 | ruxpin | I'm sure it wouldn't be accepted |
| 04:19.44 | ruxpin | what's the status of python 2.7 on debian? |
| 04:19.58 | ruxpin | it was released, um, a week or so ago |
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| 04:20.53 | moldovean | , versions python2.7 |
| 04:20.55 | judd | python2.7 -- experimental: 2.7-2 |
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| 04:21.41 | moldovean | , versions python2.8 ... |
| 04:21.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'python2.8' was found. |
| 04:21.47 | ruxpin | so it's just a matter of adding the experimentals repo? |
| 04:21.55 | moldovean | nooooooooo |
| 04:22.04 | ruxpin | my debian-fu is rusty :) |
| 04:23.15 | moldovean | ruxpin, but make a chroot , and install in it (all what you want to experiment) |
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| 05:17.41 | frantik | howdy |
| 05:17.53 | frantik | i'm there because i am encountering a very weird issue |
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| 05:18.09 | frantik | on one hand, i do have a debian server stable running a proxy with tinyproxy |
| 05:18.19 | frantik | and i am able to connect it with firefox win32 |
| 05:18.42 | frantik | on the other hand i have my local debian workstation and it seems to not be able to use it with iceweasel |
| 05:19.09 | frantik | (this iceweaseal only got adblock plus & imatge zoom as modules) |
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| 05:19.35 | frantik | i was wondering what i could check to see why my debian workstation isn't able to connect to it |
| 05:19.47 | frantik | (tried an upgrade, a reboot, and i even created a new user) |
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| 05:24.08 | gnarface | Frantic: traceroute [server address] |
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| 05:24.22 | gnarface | woops |
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| 05:27.43 | ongolaBoy | frankie: did you set the proxy settings in iceweasel ? |
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| 05:29.45 | st_iron | hi |
| 05:30.28 | st_iron | i have to make a paravirtualised system on lenny host i need an advice which hypervisor is the most useful? |
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| 05:32.35 | Bushmills | Frantic: your proxy can't connect to your local system |
| 05:32.52 | Bushmills | exclude local system from proxied addresses or hosts |
| 05:33.10 | gnarface | Bushmills, note it was actually <frantik> |
| 05:33.13 | gnarface | and he's gone now |
| 05:33.28 | ongolaBoy | gnarface: yeah, I noticed it too a bit late :) |
| 05:33.37 | gnarface | i messed up using tab-completion without paying attention |
| 05:34.01 | Bushmills | oh, right |
| 05:34.22 | st_iron | as i see i have xen or virtualbox :/ |
| 05:34.43 | ongolaBoy | st_iron: OpenVZ too ? |
| 05:34.55 | st_iron | that is container based virtualization |
| 05:35.02 | ongolaBoy | ok |
| 05:35.18 | st_iron | i use openvz on my boxes and i like that |
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| 06:13.20 | Ruum | hey guys I was able to successfully install java on debian both the run the "java" and "javac" commands properly |
| 06:13.42 | Ruum | but now I need to know where debian installs the java home classpath |
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| 06:14.03 | Ruum | and i have used "whereis" and "locate" |
| 06:14.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Ruum: find ? |
| 06:14.20 | HellTiger | you have made a updatedb before locate? |
| 06:14.27 | Ruum | kk I will try that |
| 06:14.31 | mas_adit | sorry, i'm newby |
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| 06:14.40 | gnarface | wouldn't it be somewhere in ~/.java? |
| 06:14.41 | Ruum | ya I do updatedb all the time |
| 06:14.56 | mas_adit | anyone know how to install to HD a debian liveCD |
| 06:15.02 | Ruum | any file that is .java is nothing more than a java file |
| 06:15.30 | gnarface | Ruum: incorrect, if it is a directory named .java |
| 06:16.07 | Ruum | well its possible I suppose but unlikely |
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| 06:16.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Ruum: hyou always do a ls -r and grep it .... |
| 06:17.02 | gnarface | i was just hypothesizing that what you're looking for may be located in your /home/ruum/.java/ directory, but again, i don't really mess with java. |
| 06:17.09 | gnarface | Ruum: ^^ |
| 06:17.47 | jpinx-eeepc | or is it ls -R ? |
| 06:18.02 | gnarface | -R |
| 06:18.14 | Ruum | that directory doesnt even exist. |
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| 06:19.01 | Ruum | the /.java/ directory doesnt exist in the /home/clarks/ directory |
| 06:19.28 | gnarface | hmm. must be something my java browser plugin put there then |
| 06:20.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Ruum: fwiw - I have java installed and there is a .java dir in my home |
| 06:20.48 | Ruum | no I wanted to install java on a default level that way it will run anywhere |
| 06:21.02 | Ruum | but see my next step is to install apache ant |
| 06:21.04 | gnarface | Ruum: you know that directories beginning with a "." don't show up unless you use ls -a right? |
| 06:21.05 | Ruum | and tomcat |
| 06:21.31 | Ruum | but to do that I need to know where debian installed the main part of java. |
| 06:21.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Ruum: what's ls -al say for your home dir ? |
| 06:21.40 | Ruum | kk |
| 06:22.01 | gnarface | Ruum: again, i don't know java, but isn't /usr/share/java the global stuff? |
| 06:22.04 | jpinx-eeepc | it's installed per-user I believe |
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| 06:22.29 | Ruum | well I am root |
| 06:23.04 | jpinx-eeepc | gnarface: I have no /usr/share/java or similar |
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| 06:23.31 | gnarface | hmm. that's odd. i've got a ton of jar files in there. maybe they came with openoffice or something |
| 06:23.45 | jpinx-eeepc | possibly - I don't have OOo |
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| 06:23.57 | Ruum | ya I looked there and all there is is a .jar file |
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| 06:24.12 | jpinx-eeepc | but I run JRE for financial reports in the browser |
| 06:24.22 | Ruum | and its under /usr/share/java |
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| 06:26.09 | gnarface | Ruum: here's what i'd do. first i'd do "dpkg -l |grep java" to get a list of java-related packages, then i'd start running "dpkg -L [package name]" on each one till a list of familiar files was spit out |
| 06:26.33 | gnarface | i'm certain there's a better way to do that, but without located or whereis updated i don't know what it is |
| 06:26.53 | gnarface | additionally you could try this: find / |grep java -i |
| 06:26.58 | gnarface | then wait a really long time |
| 06:27.12 | gnarface | eventually every path with java in it on the whole system will be spit out (if you're root) |
| 06:27.24 | jpinx-eeepc | gnarface: dpkg -l | grep java returns nothing on my system |
| 06:27.43 | gnarface | jpinx-eeepc: you didn't install java via debian package? |
| 06:28.14 | jpinx-eeepc | yep |
| 06:28.21 | gnarface | did or didn't? |
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| 06:28.22 | jpinx-eeepc | ages ago |
| 06:28.42 | jpinx-eeepc | its been years in use |
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| 06:29.21 | NginUS | anyone got iscsitarget workiing on kirkwood? |
| 06:29.53 | gnarface | maybe something like this then: dpkg -l |grep 'jre\|java\|jdk\|jvm' |
| 06:30.08 | Afshin | CAN ANYONE HELP ME TO KNOW HOW CAN I COMPILE ntpd with libcap2 ? |
| 06:30.18 | lindi- | Afshin: why are you shouting? |
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| 06:31.06 | Afshin | my ntp server has a bug that I should recompile that with libcap2 ! |
| 06:31.38 | lindi- | Afshin: no reason to shout :) |
| 06:31.58 | Ruum | hey gnarface I did this: |
| 06:32.00 | Afshin | lindi : OK OK :) |
| 06:32.02 | lindi- | Afshin: instead please mention he bug number |
| 06:32.06 | lindi- | Afshin: instead please mention the bug number |
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| 06:32.20 | Ruum | dpkg -L sun-java6-jdk |
| 06:32.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching sun-java6-jdk |
| 06:32.28 | Ruum | and that got me what I needed :-) |
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| 06:32.57 | Afshin | 3345.223857 |
| 06:33.56 | Afshin | lindi: do you know how can I recompile ntpd with libcap2 ? |
| 06:34.07 | lindi- | Afshin: what kind of bug report number is that? |
| 06:34.24 | gnarface | Ruum: hooraaay! |
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| 06:34.46 | Afshin | lindi: ntpd uses 32-bit capabilities |
| 06:34.57 | Ruum | ya for everyone edification the home location on this debian box is: |
| 06:35.15 | Ruum | "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.20" |
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| 06:36.16 | lindi- | Afshin: but what is 3345.223857? |
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| 06:37.11 | Ruum | ya thanks ALOT gnarface!!! |
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| 06:37.42 | scgtrp | does debian's kde build keep its settings in a different place? i tried copying over .kde and .kde4 from my arch install and it still gave me the defaults |
| 06:37.59 | Afshin | lindi : it says before warning that I said |
| 06:39.01 | lindi- | Afshin: that is a timestamp |
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| 06:40.56 | Afshin | lindi : I read in a google to solve this problem I should recompile ntp with libcap2 , but I dont know how can I do this ? |
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| 06:41.14 | lindi- | Afshin: yes I've been trying to ask what page you were reading with google |
| 06:41.39 | Afshin | lindi : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483434 |
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| 06:46.30 | lindi- | Afshin: what version of ntpd do you have? |
| 06:46.50 | NginUS | I could use some help on this, I'm in uncharted territory. I bet it's easy to someone here. m-a a-i iscsitarget gives me a missing kernel-headers message. Not sure if those are special for a SheevaPlug but I think so. |
| 06:47.58 | Afshin | lindi: I use Debian lenny and my ntp version is 1:4.2.4p4 |
| 06:48.28 | lindi- | Afshin: ok, the bug was fixed in 1:4.2.4p6+dfsg-1 |
| 06:49.00 | lindi- | Afshin: is the extra message really a true problem? |
| 06:50.41 | Afshin | lindi : for some situations I must only use that version I said and know Im trying to find a solution for this |
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| 06:54.08 | lindi- | Afshin: what is the real problem? |
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| 06:56.24 | gnarface | NginUS: install the linux-headers* package that matches your linux-image* package where * is the part that identifies the kernel you're running |
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| 06:56.59 | Afshin | lindi : Im to find which command I should use to recompile ntp with libcap2 ? |
| 06:57.02 | gnarface | NginUS: for example if you're running linux-image-2.6-amd64 then you need to install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 06:57.32 | lindi- | Afshin: is the bug causing real problems? |
| 06:57.52 | NginUS | gnarface: I'm unsure where the kernel came from or even what it's called. Best I can come up with is to ask apt-cache what has kernel-headers & it said kernel-package. Seems rather generic. |
| 06:57.55 | Afshin | lindi: yes my ntp server does not work ! |
| 06:58.17 | lindi- | Afshin: really? the bug report does not say that |
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| 06:58.29 | NginUS | Hey cool, shouting guy got his junk up & running. |
| 06:58.35 | lindi- | Afshin: the bug report is only about a warning |
| 06:58.43 | gnarface | NginUS: do a dpkg -l |grep linux-image and compare the list to the output of uname -a |
| 06:58.48 | lindi- | Afshin: what kernel are you using? |
| 06:58.50 | NginUS | k thx |
| 06:59.21 | Afshin | lindi : 2.6 |
| 06:59.31 | lindi- | Afshin: come on :) you could be bit more specific here |
| 06:59.46 | gnarface | NginUS: kernel-image*/kernel-headers* are the OLD kernel package names, like pre-lenny. maybe even pre etch? |
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| 07:01.56 | NginUS | gnarface:, lol... dpkg grep etc returns no output at all. While uname -a says this: |
| 07:02.02 | NginUS | Linux debie1 2.6.32.7 #5 PREEMPT Wed Feb 10 21:09:39 GMT 2010 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
| 07:02.15 | gnarface | NginUS: and "kernel-package" is a script for packaging your own kernel from source |
| 07:02.38 | NginUS | Sounds like something that could help me dig my hole a bit deeper, lol |
| 07:02.50 | gnarface | NginUS: what do you have in /usr/src? anything that looks like 'linux-2.6.32.7" ? |
| 07:02.57 | NginUS | looking |
| 07:03.47 | Afshin | lindi: how can find my kernel version ? |
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| 07:04.18 | vsmatck | uname -r |
| 07:04.28 | NginUS | gnarface: besides iscsitarget.tar.bz2 just a symlink maybe- called linux. looks like a folder shortcut when I'm looking via sftp in Win7 |
| 07:04.55 | moldovean | NginUS, you running debian ? |
| 07:05.11 | NginUS | Afshin: : I think it's uname -a |
| 07:05.12 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:05.34 | NginUS | moldovean : Squeeze on a SheevaPlug |
| 07:05.43 | Afshin | thanks |
| 07:05.58 | gnarface | NginUS: if you are running a custom compiled kernel, you would fix your problem by making that linux symlink point to the /usr/src/linux-[your version] directory. if someone made the kernel then deleted the source you gotta download the same version again and reconfigure. :( |
| 07:06.00 | Afshin | lindi : 2.6.26-2.686 |
| 07:06.40 | moldovean | , kernel |
| 07:06.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc5-686 (2.6.35~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-17); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 07:07.00 | lindi- | Afshin: I have such a system and ntpd runs just fine |
| 07:07.25 | lindi- | Afshin: the reason must be something else than bug 483434 |
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| 07:07.32 | Afshin | lindi : do you use local system time as your time source ? |
| 07:07.32 | lindi- | Afshin: is ntpd process running? |
| 07:07.39 | lindi- | Afshin: no I use GPS |
| 07:08.05 | Afshin | lindi: I should use this ntp to use its local system time as source |
| 07:08.26 | NginUS | gnarface : All I know about that is that over in #openplug someone says there's no matching kernel-headers preinstalled. I don't know quite what that means to me. I'd hate to have to learn how to compile a kernel, just to use iscsi. |
| 07:08.37 | NginUS | Especially on this exotic brick-prone plug |
| 07:09.49 | gnarface | NginUS: well i'm interested in that hardware but i do not know much about it other than what the website says. you could always try installing the latest stable packaged kernel and related header package |
| 07:10.21 | lindi- | Afshin: I don't think recompiling is going to help you |
| 07:10.34 | lindi- | Afshin: you need to learn to provide accurate information about your setp |
| 07:10.39 | moldovean | NginUS, /msg dpkg arm |
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| 07:11.02 | NginUS | gnarface : There's an idea. I'll check with someone familiar with these & see if just doing that won't brick it. It seems a decent solution to me... |
| 07:11.39 | gnarface | NginUS: or you could download the source of a matching version from kernel.org and reconfigure it. you wouldn't have to compile it, or install it, you'd just have to load your existing config into it (/boot/config-[kernel version]) |
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| 07:12.16 | gnarface | seems kinda bizarre that they wouldn't give you usable kernel headers though |
| 07:12.23 | gnarface | moldovean: you know anything about that? |
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| 07:16.08 | NginUS | I dare not go changing the kernel because there's this crazy bootloader called u-boot that I haven't a clue how to use. I already had to send one plug back to the UK from NY (omg 3 weeks!) to have it re-flashed since I couldn't figure out their docs |
| 07:16.41 | gnarface | the tip from dpkg about the #debian-arm channel is probably useful |
| 07:16.58 | gnarface | however you don't have to compile or install a new kernel just to get the headers |
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| 07:17.16 | NginUS | module-assistant just wants headers |
| 07:17.22 | gnarface | all you have to do is put the src in the right place and make sure it's configured with the parameters the running kernel is using |
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| 07:18.29 | gnarface | for you they should be in a file called /boot/config-2.6.32.7 |
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| 07:18.36 | gnarface | ... in a fair world |
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| 07:19.13 | NginUS | :) |
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| 07:20.41 | moldovean | NginUS, install debian on it |
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| 07:22.46 | gnarface | i'm still in disbelief that there isn't already a kernel-headers package somewhere for it |
| 07:23.02 | gnarface | moldovean: certainly there must be already one in a repository somewhere? |
| 07:23.50 | NginUS | I'm not finding a way in Miranda IM client to attach to the irc.oftc.net IRC server- It limits me to a drop-down serverlist that doesn't have that. How did life on Earth get so complicated... |
| 07:24.17 | gnarface | NginUS: /SERVER irc.oftc.net |
| 07:24.17 | NginUS | I thnk I'm just glad to have warm coffee tonight. :D |
| 07:25.16 | NginUS | Me, who needed someone to tell me that, is going to mess with a plug kernel, lol |
| 07:26.09 | gnarface | we wish you luck |
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| 07:26.35 | gnarface | the journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step |
| 07:26.51 | NginUS | thanks, when i do /server irc.oftc.net, something says I may not reregister, whazzat? |
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| 07:27.07 | NginUS | baby steps, yesh |
| 07:27.18 | NginUS | ...and much coffee |
| 07:27.23 | gnarface | are you doing that from the irc client instance you're using in here? |
| 07:27.50 | gnarface | i don't know about miranda. maybe it doesn't support opening multiple servers. try starting up a seperate instance in another window and doing it there |
| 07:27.58 | NginUS | ok |
| 07:28.01 | gnarface | make sure it's not connecting to a preconfigured server by default too |
| 07:28.19 | NginUS | yeah i think theres something to that dialog that has to happen for this |
| 07:29.25 | gnarface | i'm sure it's a crime, but i just use xchat. |
| 07:29.44 | gnarface | it gives me very few problems though it doesn't support unicode |
| 07:29.57 | NginUS | I thought I saw xchat ask me for money once years ago, never returned |
| 07:30.09 | gnarface | uh |
| 07:30.15 | gnarface | mIRC maybe |
| 07:30.23 | gnarface | they look very similar if you're on a windows desktop |
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| 07:31.01 | NginUS | maybe a windows-specific xchat version, I like it over kvirc & all that- however kvirc has nice candy |
| 07:31.14 | mmnicolas | does anyone know where can we find the latest working copy libflashplayer.so for 64bit ? |
| 07:31.17 | NginUS | and a chick drawn on it |
| 07:31.29 | gnarface | mmnicolas: lol. doomed! |
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| 07:32.23 | mmnicolas | gnarface: yea, thats what it is right ? im not dreaming, this is a real nightmare |
| 07:32.43 | gnarface | they release an alpha build or two then discontinued it and pulled it from the website |
| 07:32.44 | mmnicolas | the installer script really did remove the existing file ? |
| 07:33.01 | gnarface | um. not sure about that |
| 07:33.16 | mmnicolas | thats what happen to a friend of mine using lenny a month before me |
| 07:33.21 | mmnicolas | and i use squeeze |
| 07:33.29 | mmnicolas | *happened |
| 07:35.31 | NginUS | ... |
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| 07:37.14 | NginUS | Did I break my client or did it just get quiet in here? |
| 07:37.20 | gnarface | it got quiet |
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| 07:37.33 | NginUS | whew1 |
| 07:37.36 | NginUS | *! |
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| 07:37.44 | gnarface | mmnicolas: i can send you the copy i've got lying around. it's the alpha r22 installer |
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| 07:38.09 | gnarface | someone in here may have a more recent version though |
| 07:38.25 | mmnicolas | but the installer will try to fetch it from adobe's ftp |
| 07:38.26 | fergal32 | hi there |
| 07:38.43 | fergal32 | anybody has a good howto for configuring samba and ldap on lenny? |
| 07:39.21 | gnarface | mmnicolas: negative. this is the tar.gz file. all it has is the plugin and a shell script that hunts down your plugins directory and copies it there |
| 07:39.31 | mmnicolas | nice |
| 07:39.44 | gnarface | let's see if dcc will work through our firewalls |
| 07:39.53 | mmnicolas | ouf |
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| 07:40.08 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 07:40.12 | gnarface | it says "offering" |
| 07:40.17 | gnarface | you get anything? |
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| 07:40.49 | mmnicolas | iiii i forgot how to accept with irssi |
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| 07:41.24 | gnarface | try /DCC GET gnarface |
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| 07:42.09 | mmnicolas | ahh |
| 07:42.34 | mmnicolas | doesnt work |
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| 07:42.53 | gnarface | i don't know irssi but if we've both got mean firewalls it won't work anyway |
| 07:43.01 | gnarface | aborting |
| 07:43.43 | mmnicolas | do you happen to have a mail client at hand ? |
| 07:43.59 | gnarface | sure |
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| 07:44.35 | mmnicolas | thanks a lot |
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| 07:45.28 | mmnicolas | it was really painful to run a windows xp vm just for flash videos |
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| 07:47.38 | gnarface | no problem |
| 07:48.27 | gnarface | i always make a point of keeping a copy of the last flash around for my system. this isn't the first time they've pulled a linux build without leaving us with any alternative |
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| 07:48.45 | ghoti | Can anyone point me at a current tutorial for getting PPP running? I want to connect through a GPRS modem, and everything that Google finds for me is years and years old... |
| 07:49.01 | cirwin | hi, I have a ATI Radeon graphics card, and when I use the two-monitor view I can't move the mouse to the over screen |
| 07:49.02 | ghoti | Is wvdial worth looking at? |
| 07:49.10 | cirwin | does anyone have a clue what might cause the problem? |
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| 07:49.29 | cirwin | I can shunt windows across the boundary |
| 07:49.36 | cirwin | and move focus with the keyboard |
| 07:49.42 | cirwin | just the mouse is locked in |
| 07:50.22 | ghoti | cirwin: that sounds odd indeed. I can only sympathize. :( |
| 07:51.13 | cirwin | sympathy is a good start |
| 07:51.40 | cirwin | just puts terminals on the other side, so not having a mouse isn't hugely debilitating |
| 07:51.44 | cirwin | it's just a bit frsutrating |
| 07:52.00 | gnarface | cirwin: i'm guessing it's more likely to be a window manager issue than a video card issue. have you tried any other window managers to see if they have the same problem? |
| 07:52.11 | cirwin | I tried gnome and lxde |
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| 07:52.17 | gnarface | try e.16 |
| 07:52.52 | gnarface | er, e16 |
| 07:53.01 | cirwin | I'll try giving that a go |
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| 07:53.25 | cirwin | though as my other screen is at work, it'll have to wait until tomorrow |
| 07:53.48 | gnarface | you did reboot right? |
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| 07:54.01 | cirwin | yes |
| 07:54.10 | ghoti | cirwin: both window managers show you the same behaviour? If so, then it's not the window manager, I think.. |
| 07:54.23 | cirwin | ghoti: I am inclined to agree with you |
| 07:54.28 | cirwin | but I know nothing |
| 07:54.32 | gnarface | how could it be the drivers though? |
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| 07:54.41 | cirwin | how could it be a window manager? |
| 07:54.45 | cirwin | I can move windows between screens |
| 07:54.50 | cirwin | just the mouse that stops |
| 07:54.52 | gnarface | i dunno... edge flip resistance turned to max maybe? |
| 07:55.19 | cirwin | hrm |
| 07:55.36 | cirwin | it's not really a desktop change though |
| 07:55.44 | ghoti | cirwin: how are you running the two monitors? xinerama, or a "Virtual" line in Section "Screen" / SubSection "Display" ? |
| 07:55.56 | cirwin | ghoti: using aticonfig |
| 07:56.03 | cirwin | I should have written down the exat command.. |
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| 07:56.08 | cirwin | I can paste xorg, one sec |
| 07:56.18 | ghoti | cirwin: ooh, edge resistance is a good thing to check. |
| 07:56.21 | gnarface | poor virtual desktop support has plagued many a window manager. i suppose it's possible your xorg.conf could be the culprit too though |
| 07:56.32 | dragonfly | where is turkish debgian channel |
| 07:56.47 | gnarface | it's hard to imagine it could be the ati driver itself, but maybe with a real obscure hardware cursor glitch??? |
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| 07:57.07 | cirwin | gnarface: the driver is not perfect, by a considerable margin |
| 07:57.41 | cirwin | http://dpaste.org/a6LW/ |
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| 07:57.58 | jelly-home | !tr |
| 07:57.58 | dpkg | tr is probably türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 07:58.04 | gnarface | i've only seen such a thing on nvidia cards when a dma accelerated video mode crashes in fullscreen and bails back to a virtual desktop much bigger |
| 07:58.39 | Ruum | hey guys how do you setup environmental variables in debian? |
| 07:59.07 | beardy | Ruum: 'export FOO |
| 07:59.20 | beardy | Ruum: 'export FOO=bar' |
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| 07:59.39 | Ruum | cuz I have already edited the /etc/profiles file using vim |
| 07:59.48 | beardy | Ruum: Put it in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 08:02.22 | Yahav | hey |
| 08:02.24 | gnarface | Ruum: changes to ~/.bashrc and /etc/profiles only take effect for terminals that were opened after the change was made. you probably want to log out and log back in |
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| 08:02.35 | Yahav | does anyone knows why do Debian comes in 5 DVD's? |
| 08:02.48 | gnarface | cause it's LARGE, baby! |
| 08:02.54 | Yahav | lol [= |
| 08:03.05 | Yahav | no really mate, do i need them all? |
| 08:03.08 | taree_ | no |
| 08:03.09 | gnarface | hell no |
| 08:03.37 | gnarface | you can get a network-enabled non-graphical system in around 300MB |
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| 08:03.44 | Yahav | then i guess the additional 4 dvd's are just packages i could install afterwards via apt? |
| 08:03.48 | jenders_ | hi folks |
| 08:04.11 | gnarface | Yahav: try the netinst disk. it's only like 50MB you can get EVERYTHING afterwards via apt |
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| 08:04.39 | Yahav | amm i prefere the debian-live-505-amd64-gnome-desktop.img |
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| 08:04.49 | gnarface | the DVD set is just for poor suckers who need a full debian distro somewhere they can't get a network connection |
| 08:04.53 | Yahav | the question is: could i install it via the LiveCD? |
| 08:04.56 | jenders_ | I'm trying to get preseeding working but realized I'm gonna neet a mirror of the packages repository, can somebody point me in the right direction for the best way to do that |
| 08:05.05 | moldovean | !live |
| 08:05.05 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:05.31 | jelly-home | Yahav: not easily, you'd have to use the debootstrap method. |
| 08:05.38 | Yahav | damn |
| 08:05.53 | gnarface | jelly-home: d-i ? |
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| 08:06.03 | jelly-home | gnarface: ? |
| 08:06.11 | moldovean | debian-installer |
| 08:06.12 | gnarface | look what dpkg just said |
| 08:06.19 | jelly-home | gnarface: what about it? |
| 08:06.35 | gnarface | i hadn't heard of it, won't that do what he wants without debootstrap? or is it the same thing? |
| 08:06.46 | Olof_szary | Hello I have problem with hardware raid-1. Where could I found it in /dev ? |
| 08:06.49 | Yahav | gnarface: you ment this one: debian-505-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 08:07.10 | Ruum | gnarlface |
| 08:07.20 | Ruum | I am remoting in via ssh |
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| 08:07.34 | Ruum | and using WINSCP to do it |
| 08:07.35 | liran | What's the easiest way to cap the bandwitdh of my linux server? |
| 08:07.43 | gnarface | Yahav: looks right. as long as it contains your ethernet drivers (pretty good chance) you should have no problems |
| 08:08.11 | Ruum | so.... I think putty tried to log in one times too many and now my IP is blocked :-( |
| 08:08.12 | Yahav | well, i hope it would be a clean move from OpenSuse [= |
| 08:08.14 | gnarface | lol Ruum. must be exhilerating |
| 08:08.44 | Ruum | I am still in the box via WINSCP, but I cant putty into the box now :-( |
| 08:09.02 | gnarface | that seems weird. you sure your putty settings are correct? |
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| 08:09.25 | gnarface | also, fyi if your hostnames don't match up to dns there may be a LONG delay after authentication |
| 08:09.33 | cristi8 | !versions openarena |
| 08:09.33 | Ruum | ya, winscp and putty work fine together, I set it up myself :-) |
| 08:10.04 | Ruum | lol while the hostname is weird everything seems to work find. |
| 08:10.06 | Ruum | *fine |
| 08:10.07 | jenders_ | answered my own question : http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 08:10.14 | cristi8 | how do i find out a package versions? |
| 08:10.18 | jelly-home | gnarface: d-i is the standard installer. I'm unsure what that factoid tries to say... "d-i now uses a livecd image" is unlikely; "you can now use d-i and the livecd image to make an image-based installer" perhaps; or ideally "the livecd is now self-installable using new d-i methods" but then why not make it clear |
| 08:10.38 | cristi8 | i see "!versions [package]" is not working |
| 08:10.51 | gnarface | cristi8: dpkg -l |grep [package name] |
| 08:11.13 | gnarface | should really stop using grep as a substitute for built-in tool functionality |
| 08:11.15 | cristi8 | not from lenny, but from all distributions |
| 08:11.17 | moldovean | , versions openarena |
| 08:11.18 | judd | openarena -- etch-backports: 0.7.6-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.7.7+dfsg1-1; sid: 0.8.1-7; squeeze: 0.8.1-7 |
| 08:11.41 | cristi8 | thanks moldovean :) |
| 08:12.09 | moldovean | cristi8, /msg judd versions <packname> |
| 08:12.24 | gnarface | Ruum: if winscp works then putty *should* unless putty is configured wrong. scp and ssh authenticate against the same mechanism. they'd both work or neither, i would think with few exceptions |
| 08:12.46 | Ruum | kk |
| 08:13.17 | gnarface | make sure you've set putty to use protocol 2 only. protocol 1 is officially deprecated |
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| 08:13.57 | Ruum | well dude at any given moment I can log into about 3-4 servers via ssh |
| 08:14.17 | Ruum | I just logged into another one, and putty works fine on that box |
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| 08:14.42 | Ruum | so the only explanation is that my ip is blocked again. :-( |
| 08:15.17 | gnarface | is this remote host behind some sort of obnoxious firewall? i'd still think that would mean scp would be blocked too |
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| 08:17.49 | dutchfish | Ruum: another explanation would be that one of your routes over your uplink was down or flapping |
| 08:18.57 | gnarface | ah yes, try a traceroute -T Ruum |
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| 08:22.19 | Ruum | I am going to have a buddy of mine take my IP out of the table and then I should be able to log back in. |
| 08:22.23 | Gla | 0.0.0.0/255.255.255.255 that will cover all IP's correct ? |
| 08:22.31 | liran | What's the easiest way to cap the bandwitdh of my linux server? |
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| 08:23.06 | dutchfish | !trickle |
| 08:23.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, trickle is a portable lightweight userspace bandwidth shaper, packaged for Debian. It can run in collaborative mode (together with trickled) or in stand alone mode. http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=trickle |
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| 08:26.06 | dutchfish | liran: another way (maybe better) is to delve into QoS, most modern router/firewalls do support it nowadays |
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| 08:29.50 | Afshin | hi |
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| 08:30.27 | Afshin | can anyone say how to compile a debian packages with libcap2 ? |
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| 08:34.56 | bburhans | augh, anybody got a decent way to disable ipv6 on lenny? I'm using a kernel that has it compiled in and the sysctl disable_ipv6 key doesn't exist on my system (not sure whether it's too old or too new). |
| 08:35.17 | moldovean | !nopiv6 |
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| 08:35.29 | moldovean | !noipv6 |
| 08:35.30 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 08:36.21 | bburhans | moldovean: I'm actually looking to disable it system-wide without doing it at the kernel level. |
| 08:36.39 | NginUS | wow- finally got into #debian-arm. I feel like I found the holy grail but I know it isn't a big deal to anyone else. lol |
| 08:36.46 | bburhans | moldovean: reason being, it's a VPS, and it uses the hardware node's kernel. I only want to disable it for the VPS. |
| 08:37.10 | rozie | why do you want to disable it? |
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| 08:38.02 | bburhans | rozie: it's causing problems because I have no routable IPV6 addresses assigned to the VPS, but it's trying to do ipv6 dns lookups, and therefore breaking apt-get update. |
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| 08:40.56 | dutchfish | bburhans: have you checked /etc/hosts ? thats prolly where apt is getting his info from within your vm's regarding ipv6 |
| 08:41.00 | bburhans | rozie, moldovean: for example: # apt-get update \n0% [Connecting to ftp2.de.debian.org (2001:15e8:220:f10::deb)] |
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| 08:42.36 | bburhans | dutchfish: I did in fact check the hosts file, it has nothing except the local addresses for both v4 and v6, and the ipv4 LAN address assigned to it. |
| 08:42.42 | jemadux | how to install ati catalyst in squeeze ? |
| 08:43.19 | dutchfish | bburhans: any ip6tables rules assigned in the host? |
| 08:43.53 | bburhans | not that I set, but let me check |
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| 08:44.33 | jemadux | how i have on question and i asked how to install the driver of catalyst ? |
| 08:44.39 | bburhans | none in the default table, dutchfish |
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| 08:45.42 | dutchfish | bburhans: at my vm's it resolves to the ipv4 address of your debian repo, hmmmm |
| 08:45.44 | bburhans | !fglrx | jemadux |
| 08:45.49 | bburhans | err. |
| 08:46.11 | bburhans | dutchfish: I know, and host command on HN (and apt-get update) report ipv4 addresses |
| 08:46.20 | Gla | Hey guys, I have a question here, I have a NFS mount on my XP machine here, which is working just fine using SFU 3.5, I'm on Ubuntu using nfs-kernel-server and ... when I go to edit a file, I can't edit it unless I chmod 777 the file. How do I set the permissions of the person mounting the exported partition? |
| 08:46.42 | bburhans | dutchfish: so I'm quite confused as to why it's trying to resolve ipv6 for no apparent reason, and more so that it's trying ipv6 before ipv4. |
| 08:46.43 | dutchfish | bburhans: are you running your own bind resolution, or is this form an external dns server? |
| 08:46.45 | jemadux | what you mean by that bburhans |
| 08:46.51 | bburhans | dutchfish: external |
| 08:47.06 | lindi- | Gla: each file has an owner |
| 08:47.12 | Gla | yeap |
| 08:47.13 | bburhans | !fglrx > jemadux |
| 08:47.16 | bburhans | I fail at this bot |
| 08:47.19 | lindi- | Gla: I have no idea how that maps to xp users |
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| 08:47.22 | Gla | lindi-: so how do you set the owner ? |
| 08:47.27 | lindi- | Gla: chown |
| 08:47.29 | bburhans | !fglrx |
| 08:47.29 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The fglrx-driver version in <testing> supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:47.32 | bburhans | jemadux: ^ |
| 08:47.35 | Gla | I mean, how do you set the owner on mount |
| 08:47.48 | lindi- | Gla: owner is property of each file |
| 08:47.50 | Gla | like, who am I mounting as ? |
| 08:47.59 | Gla | I'm mounting currently as an anonymous user |
| 08:48.02 | lindi- | Gla: mount does not have such an option |
| 08:48.06 | Gla | oh really? |
| 08:48.10 | dutchfish | bburhans: what happens when you ping in from inside the vm with its dns name? |
| 08:48.15 | lindi- | Gla: not for nfs no |
| 08:48.20 | Gla | interesting |
| 08:48.44 | bburhans | dutchfish: when I ping the debian servers, you mean? It resolves to ipv4. |
| 08:48.52 | bburhans | dutchfish: which is confusing the heck out of me. |
| 08:48.53 | dutchfish | bburhans: aha |
| 08:49.00 | bburhans | dutchfish: so I blame apt |
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| 08:49.13 | dutchfish | bburhans: debian version, kernel? |
| 08:49.13 | bburhans | dutchfish: but a grep -ri ipv6 /etc/apt shows nothing |
| 08:49.34 | bburhans | dutchfish: from inside the openvz container: Linux theawesomeserver 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 23:10:10 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:49.56 | bburhans | (I'm setting it up for a friend, so judge him, not me, based on the server FQDN) |
| 08:50.04 | bburhans | (which isn't actually a FQDN) |
| 08:50.22 | dutchfish | bburhans: what debian version? |
| 08:50.25 | bburhans | lenny |
| 08:50.53 | bburhans | It was installed via an openvz template, precreated (not by me) |
| 08:51.32 | bburhans | but it worked flawlessly before I got ipv6 on the hardware node, dutchfish, which seems odd because I haven't rebooted that host, I just assigned my v6 blocks with ifconfig. |
| 08:52.08 | dutchfish | bburhans: i have heard of opnvz issues with ipv6 wich where resolved ny indead disabling ipv6 (only inside the vm's) like this: http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/disable-ipv6-on-debian-lenny-quick-howto.html |
| 08:52.13 | bburhans | now my new VPSs are doing this weird attempting-to-use-ipv6 for no legitimate reason. |
| 08:52.34 | jemadux | and on question more , i have to compile new kernels or i dont have to ... ? |
| 08:52.49 | moldovean | bburhans, try the lastest kernel _2.6.26-24_amd64.deb 21-Jun-2010 03:52 |
| 08:52.52 | bburhans | dutchfish: I have done that, actually |
| 08:53.05 | bburhans | moldovean: is that testing's latest? |
| 08:53.08 | dutchfish | bburhans: and restarted the vm? |
| 08:53.08 | cerpintaxt | i cannot browse samba shares in nautilus. but with smbclient it works - how can i fit it? using debian testing |
| 08:53.21 | moldovean | bburhans, no , lenny |
| 08:53.25 | bburhans | dutchfish: yes, but openvz uses the /host's/ kernel |
| 08:53.33 | dutchfish | bburhans: it must go down first completely, to let openvz now the changed state |
| 08:53.42 | dutchfish | exactly |
| 08:53.58 | bburhans | dutchfish, moldovean, I don't want to disable ipv6 for all the VPSs :/ |
| 08:54.01 | dutchfish | (the vm only) |
| 08:54.01 | bburhans | just resolve this one issue. |
| 08:54.15 | bburhans | dutchfish: I did stop and restart it (that reboots it) |
| 08:54.31 | dutchfish | reboot doesnt work, it must be down first (the vm) |
| 08:54.56 | themill | bburhans: glibc6 believes that you either have working ipv6 or you don't. You can't selectively enable it or disable it for different applications. |
| 08:55.16 | dutchfish | openvz does some trickery the preserve shared mem and more |
| 08:55.40 | bburhans | dutchfish: oh, you're saying modify the modprobe.d confs for the VM while the VM is shut down? |
| 08:55.56 | bburhans | dutchfish: or you mean modify the host's modprobe settings? :/ |
| 08:56.11 | dutchfish | bburhans: that, or bring it down after config and the start it again, it snot the same as reboot |
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| 08:56.39 | Gla | lindi-: how do I know which users I've mounted as ? |
| 08:56.51 | bburhans | dutchfish: that's what I did. I brought that single VM down and started it again, not rebooting. |
| 08:57.13 | lindi- | Gla: there's no such concept |
| 08:57.21 | dutchfish | bburhans: i can only tell from what has been told to me, ie openvz has ipv6 issues, either folow my link for the vm's or alter the template file (i dont know how, because i dont use openvz myself) |
| 08:57.21 | bburhans | dutchfish: I can't really afford to bring down the host or the entire openvz instance though, that kills a dozen other virtual servers. |
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| 08:57.31 | Gla | lindi-: well I have the export mounted, it's working |
| 08:57.38 | Gla | if I chmod 777 the file I can edit it |
| 08:57.40 | Gla | so everything is working |
| 08:57.44 | dutchfish | bburhans: no the host ! |
| 08:57.45 | Gla | but there's clearly a permissions problem |
| 08:57.52 | dutchfish | s/no/not |
| 08:58.05 | Gla | so how can I have it so that anyone who mounts this drive will be able to write to files on it ? |
| 08:58.21 | Gla | or rather, edit the files that are currently there |
| 08:58.25 | bburhans | dutchfish: yes, I gathered that. But, I've already tried bringing down a single VM, without bringing down the openvz daemon. |
| 08:58.27 | dutchfish | bburhans: it should not be neccesary to bring down the host, but it must be done for the vm after changes |
| 08:58.41 | bburhans | dutchfish: I will try modifying modprobe for the VM while it's down |
| 08:59.07 | bburhans | but given that I've tried editing it while it was live, and then stopping and starting it, I don't hold much hope |
| 08:59.23 | dutchfish | bburhans: specially take care for the blacklisting part, check with lsmod if it is really not up inside the vm |
| 08:59.27 | daltio | guys i have a setup pf mail servers and samba login all user authenticate with kerberos and ldap now i want to have pass expiry on my root account but my mchine 1 goes to ldap that way pass expiry wont work , is it possible to make my pam to look in local db for root account only for normall users goto ldap |
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| 09:01.27 | dutchfish | bburhans: if nothing else works, you could use ipv4 address instead of dns name, but thats a rather crude hack (inside apt's config) |
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| 09:02.41 | bburhans | dutchfish, If apt is the only service affected (it shouldn't be if the ipv6 > ipv4 lookup priority is in glibc) then I guess that'll suffice |
| 09:02.50 | bburhans | editing stuff now, though. |
| 09:03.05 | dutchfish | daltio: you can configure pam to do passdb lookup first then try ldap |
| 09:03.41 | daltio | yes but then every ldap user for 1 time get pass auth error which iritate users |
| 09:03.42 | Gla | anyone ? |
| 09:03.44 | daltio | what u say |
| 09:03.51 | dutchfish | bburhans: i doubt that because i have none of thes eissues inside kvm/xen lenny vm's |
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| 09:04.30 | bburhans | dutchfish: xen uses a distinct kernel, not the host's. Therein lies the massive difference. |
| 09:04.37 | dutchfish | scratches had for daltio |
| 09:04.56 | dutchfish | bburhans: depends on how it was configured ;) |
| 09:05.12 | bburhans | :o |
| 09:05.18 | dutchfish | bburhans: hvm or not |
| 09:06.13 | dutchfish | bburhans: but to cut it short, i think per default apt tries ipv6 unless told otherwise |
| 09:06.34 | dutchfish | bburhans: i dont know how at the top of my head how to config that |
| 09:06.49 | eSa| | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 15000000. (man 5 apt.conf) |
| 09:06.55 | eSa| | isn't that enough?! |
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| 09:07.30 | rares | what's the best way to have a virtual machine so I could play with assembly and 1) not hose my machine and 2) reboot without rebooting |
| 09:08.05 | Vroomfondle | virtualbox. |
| 09:08.09 | Vroomfondle | nice and simple. |
| 09:08.17 | dutchfish | bburhans: take a peak at this http://osdir.com/ml/linux.debian.apt.devel/2004-04/msg00103.html |
| 09:09.11 | bburhans | dutchfish: I bow to your superior google-fu |
| 09:09.14 | jelly | eSa|: is that a rhetorical question? |
| 09:09.46 | dutchfish | bburhans: why not use http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian ? |
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| 09:10.05 | bburhans | what's the difference between that and ftp2? o_O |
| 09:10.09 | bburhans | dutchfish: ^ |
| 09:13.13 | eSa| | jelly, sorry but i don't feel like increasing it. imho it's enough as it's stated on a popular website |
| 09:13.46 | bburhans | hey hey hey, that works for some reason, dutchfish |
| 09:13.51 | bburhans | O_O |
| 09:14.13 | rares | when will linux-kbuild-2.6.35 be out |
| 09:14.18 | dutchfish | bburhans: but i agree that it would be nice to have an ipv4 switch inside apt, contrary what has been posted on the bug |
| 09:14.31 | rares | can't install dkms debs without it |
| 09:15.03 | rares | and why don't dkms debs require kbuild and headers? |
| 09:15.18 | bburhans | dutchfish: uh, what's the key for ftp.de.? |
| 09:15.32 | bburhans | because... irony, don't laugh |
| 09:15.40 | eSa| | other question: how to enable international fonts? I used to see japanese ones but I just installed and only get squares with numbers inside it |
| 09:15.50 | bburhans | # apt-get update |
| 09:15.50 | bburhans | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 09:15.50 | bburhans | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 09:16.12 | moldovean | !key |
| 09:16.12 | dpkg | Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest GPG key used to sign the Debian archive. |
| 09:16.44 | bburhans | thanks! |
| 09:17.09 | NginUS | I'm fed up with this goddamn Sheevaplug that makes me afraid it'll brick if I look at it too hard, with it's stupid kernel that can't do basic siht like iotop & iSCSI |
| 09:17.42 | dutchfish | bburhans: ? |
| 09:18.01 | bburhans | moldovean, dutchfish, themill, rozie, that fixed it, at least for apt, and I guess I'll see how the rest of the system functions with fake ipv6 :P |
| 09:18.13 | moldovean | bburhans, / msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 09:18.41 | bburhans | moldovean: yeah, I usually use aptitude. ;) |
| 09:19.06 | bburhans | didn't occur to me this time because I wasn't installing anything or doing anything selective. |
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| 09:20.59 | dutchfish | bburhans: you can as a last resort always use the host file and declare them statically in them ;) but anyway good luck |
| 09:21.01 | lindi- | Gla: nfs does not really work that way |
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| 09:21.28 | lindi- | Gla: only solution that comes to my mind is to do some uid mapping but since I have windows I can't investigate that |
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| 09:31.42 | Gla | lindi-: holy shit |
| 09:31.48 | Gla | I figured it out |
| 09:31.51 | Gla | but that was insane |
| 09:31.54 | ethanol | morning people |
| 09:31.59 | Gla | I had to downlaod the /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
| 09:32.01 | Gla | and import them |
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| 09:32.07 | Gla | then map the groups manually |
| 09:32.13 | moldovean | !enter |
| 09:32.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:32.13 | Vizard | hello all, i am upgrading from lenny to squeeze, but during upgrading aptitude is stucked at "Removing pcscd" for ever, how can i fix this problem ? |
| 09:32.14 | Gla | that's pretty amazingly ghetto |
| 09:32.25 | Gla | lol @ moldovean |
| 09:32.33 | Gla | moldovean: are you in Moldova? |
| 09:32.34 | moldovean | !lol |
| 09:32.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 09:33.44 | moldovean | what's Moldova ? that doesn't exist .. |
| 09:33.46 | dutchfish | daltio: what happens when you configure nsswitch.conf for files ldap for all 3 ie: passwd, shadow group ? |
| 09:34.04 | Gla | !Moldova |
| 09:34.16 | Gla | well |
| 09:34.23 | Gla | I have a guy from Moldova working for me |
| 09:34.42 | daltio | all users can start authencate with ldap all good i want to lookup onocal db for root only so that pass expiry works |
| 09:35.40 | dutchfish | daltio: test it with getent for local and non-local users |
| 09:35.53 | Vizard | nobody can halp me with my problem ? |
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| 09:37.01 | compaq | how do you identify your nick? |
| 09:37.13 | dutchfish | daltio: for the password exp. i ldap look at the overlay http://linux.die.net/man/5/slapo-ppolicy |
| 09:37.18 | daltio | getent passwd |grep root |
| 09:37.18 | daltio | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 09:37.18 | daltio | root:x:0:0:Netbios Domain Administrator,,,,:/home/root:/bin/false |
| 09:37.55 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Anyone running a Debian on SPARC machine? When my OS boots, the "General fault" LED comes and stays on. There are no faults in the system actually. Anyone know a this for that? |
| 09:37.58 | daltio | 1 root is system root 2 is for samba as i run samba tools which creat all windows groups |
| 09:38.05 | dutchfish | daltio: root as a domain admin? you should be spanked |
| 09:38.19 | daltio | no no |
| 09:38.29 | daltio | that root is only used for domain join |
| 09:39.28 | dutchfish | daltio: again look at the slapo-ppolicy overlay, and root doesnt live there ;) |
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| 09:39.56 | daltio | now what i do |
| 09:40.01 | daltio | my system is working OK |
| 09:40.06 | dutchfish | sure |
| 09:41.10 | dutchfish | daltio: i would start here and then delve in to ldap/pam further and then read about schemes (its a long run) http://www.linuxlaboratory.org/articles/linux-ldap-client/ |
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| 09:42.24 | dutchfish | but instead of using root start with an administrator thats has enough privilidges to do the bind as a domain admin |
| 09:42.34 | dutchfish | cheers |
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| 09:43.49 | Vizard | is there any real support for debian out there ? |
| 09:44.04 | jelly | Vizard: commercial? |
| 09:44.14 | Vizard | .. |
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| 09:44.43 | jelly | Vizard: can you explain what you mean by "real support"? |
| 09:45.14 | Vizard | real support like gentoo-fedora-channels for getting simple answers |
| 09:45.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: what's your specific suppor requirement? |
| 09:46.12 | jelly | Vizard: this channel, and the same-named one in irc.debian.org, are such venues. |
| 09:46.21 | Vizard | a simple hint is always welcome |
| 09:46.35 | jpinx-eeepc | must have missed the question |
| 09:46.51 | petemc | suggests lastlog |
| 09:46.57 | Vizard | blabla |
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| 09:47.49 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: <Vizard> hello all, i am upgrading from lenny to squeeze, but during upgrading aptitude is stucked at "Removing pcscd" for ever, how can i fix this problem ? |
| 09:48.35 | Vizard | ok i try to answer it myself, apt has some problems upgrading ? |
| 09:49.04 | Vizard | from clean lenny to move onto sqeeze is not possible |
| 09:49.11 | Vizard | 4me |
| 09:49.28 | Vizard | removing pcpsd.. for ever |
| 09:49.28 | jpinx-eeepc | !squeeze |
| 09:49.28 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 09:49.52 | jelly | Vizard: press Ctrl-C, see if that breaks out of the process. pastebin as much of the output as you can. Run "dpkg --configure -a" and "aptitude -f install" to try configure packages that were half-installed. |
| 09:50.14 | Vizard | ty i'll try |
| 09:50.26 | Vizard | but output is german |
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| 09:50.32 | jelly | !bat |
| 09:50.32 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:50.36 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 09:50.36 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
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| 09:51.07 | addikt1ve | hi |
| 09:51.29 | addikt1ve | I want to install ircd-seven on my server running Debian Lenny |
| 09:51.50 | addikt1ve | but when I ./configure, the script is unable to find openssl |
| 09:52.00 | addikt1ve | I tried inspircd and it can't either |
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| 09:52.14 | addikt1ve | did anyone go through this problem too? |
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| 09:52.51 | the-dude | addikt1ve: did you check if openssl is available? |
| 09:53.01 | Vizard | http://paste.debian.net/81126/ i had to press ctrl+c three times as you c |
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| 09:53.03 | addikt1ve | the-dude: it is installed, what do you mean? |
| 09:53.30 | the-dude | addikt1ve: what does dpkg --get-selections|grep openssl show ? |
| 09:53.54 | babilen | !tell Vizard -about bat |
| 09:54.00 | babilen | !tell Vizard -about localized errors |
| 09:54.01 | addikt1ve | the-dude: along with 3 other lines, I've got a opensslinstall |
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| 09:54.29 | babilen | Vizard: Please paste the complete command and output and the other information dpkg just told you about, preferably in English (see the second factoid) |
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| 09:55.18 | Vizard | ok sry |
| 09:56.08 | babilen | No problem! How could you know? And it just eases debugging your problem tremendously |
| 09:56.17 | the-dude | addikt1ve: dpkg --get-selections|grep libssl-dev |
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| 09:56.42 | addikt1ve | the-dude: nothing |
| 09:56.57 | the-dude | addikt1ve: install it and try again |
| 09:57.19 | addikt1ve | of course... openssl headers... |
| 09:57.22 | addikt1ve | well I'm trying |
| 09:57.34 | addikt1ve | it works |
| 09:57.36 | addikt1ve | thanks the-dude ! |
| 09:57.46 | babilen | Vizard: But why did you interrupt that process? |
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| 09:59.09 | Vizard | because pcscd is idling to remove over 1 hour now |
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| 09:59.27 | babilen | alright |
| 09:59.53 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to everybody |
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| 10:00.01 | babilen | welcome |
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| 10:10.28 | babilen | Vizard: Have you pasted the requested information yet? |
| 10:10.31 | Vizard | no |
| 10:10.34 | babilen | ah |
| 10:10.42 | babilen | ok - thought that I might have missed it |
| 10:10.55 | Vizard | no i think it wouldnt help you |
| 10:11.19 | Vizard | i tryed every command to remove this damn package (sry) but no success |
| 10:11.47 | Vizard | reinstallation of dpkg/apt/aptitude isnt helping |
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| 10:12.09 | sawyer_ | dear debian folks |
| 10:12.21 | Vizard | cant reinstall to be accurate, always hangs @ removing pcscd... |
| 10:12.49 | sawyer_ | i have a debian arm installation that cannot install anything because the paths it uses don't exist and aptitude gets 404 on all |
| 10:12.50 | babilen | Vizard: I think that the information would help me |
| 10:12.50 | thewanderer1 | you can hack dpkg if you have nothing else |
| 10:12.52 | Vizard | can i somehow manually remove and erase apt database ? |
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| 10:13.06 | sawyer_ | seems like the path is correct except for the filename itself |
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| 10:13.14 | thewanderer1 | Vizard, you want the dpkg, not apt database |
| 10:13.19 | sawyer_ | does it need to fetch a new index file or something? if so, how do i do that? if not, what should i do? |
| 10:13.29 | thewanderer1 | sawyer_, apt-get update |
| 10:13.31 | Vizard | ok |
| 10:13.51 | sawyer_ | thewanderer1, d'oh.. i ran safe-upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 10:14.08 | sawyer_ | thanks |
| 10:14.08 | babilen | sawyer_: Or "aptitude update" for that matter - You might have to verify that your /etc/apt/sources.list is correct. Please paste it if the problem persists |
| 10:14.17 | babilen | ah, well ;) |
| 10:14.26 | sawyer_ | thewanderer1, babilen, thank you both :) |
| 10:14.33 | thewanderer1 | Vizard, /var/lib/dpkg/status - make sure you get acquainted with the syntax |
| 10:15.10 | Vizard | ok interesting tx |
| 10:15.14 | babilen | Vizard: Before you keep deleting dpkg's package database ... please provide the information. I am not in the mood to ask you millions of questions in order to debug your issue |
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| 10:16.01 | Vizard | i would, but still in german every output i get.. # LANG=en_US.UTF-8 aptitude full-upgrade |
| 10:16.21 | babilen | I can read German - But use "LANG=C" |
| 10:16.22 | xstation | rying to install wine on debian with the line apt-get build-dep wine what "source" lines do I need in my sources.list file? |
| 10:16.24 | thewanderer1 | Vizard, use LANG=C |
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| 10:16.28 | xstation | t |
| 10:16.55 | thewanderer1 | xstation, deb-src and then the same that you use for binaries |
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| 10:17.16 | babilen | xstation: That command would install the build dependencies of wine. Is that what you want? If yes, use a line like the one you already have, but replace "deb" with "deb-src" |
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| 10:19.09 | Vizard | still in german, i also checked dpkg-reconfigure locales but never the less here is the output http://paste.debian.net/81127/ |
| 10:19.09 | Vizard | its a mess here sry |
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| 10:19.42 | xstation | ok i want to install wine in debian lenny there is a howto here http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny but it does not have the lastest wine 1.2 release |
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| 10:20.48 | moldovean | , versions wine |
| 10:20.49 | judd | wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3; squeeze: 1.0.1-3; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 10:21.19 | Cyphers | i'm using lenny, and i want to use an iso image as repository, any idea? |
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| 10:22.11 | xstation | judd: 1.2 was released about a week ago its s a stable release based on 2 years work and 23000 changes according to winehq |
| 10:22.12 | thewanderer1 | Cyphers, apt-cdrom |
| 10:22.42 | thewanderer1 | xstation, judd is a bot. be patient with him :D |
| 10:22.45 | Cyphers | i tried to mount the iso and added deb file:/mnt/iso/ lenny contrib main, but did't works |
| 10:22.51 | babilen | Vizard: Oh, well .... Which Debian release are you using? What is the output of "apt-cache" "apt-cache policy pcscd" "aptitude purge pcscd" -- what are you actually doing? Where have you installed the "mysql-client" and "mysql-server" packages from? (usw ...) |
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| 10:23.08 | Cyphers | thewanderer1, apt-cdrom will add the cdrom, not the iso image i guess man |
| 10:23.18 | thewanderer1 | Cyphers, yes |
| 10:23.23 | babilen | !tell xstation -about uupdate |
| 10:23.27 | thewanderer1 | Cyphers, perhaps you were missing the path? |
| 10:23.37 | babilen | xstation: Or you just wait until the lates stable release is packaged |
| 10:23.41 | markn_ | is having trouble getting strongswan ipsec net2net tunnel working (deb squeeze) - tunnel is up, but no traffic is allowed, no route is added. Needs some advice please :) |
| 10:23.53 | Cyphers | thewanderer1, i did make sure from the path many times |
| 10:24.10 | Vizard | babilen, i try to answer quickly within 5 min |
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| 10:24.22 | xstation | thewanderer1: ok that - |
| 10:24.29 | babilen | Vizard: I'll reply quickly in 10 minutes ;) |
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| 10:25.04 | Cyphers | i even renamed the iso image to lenny.iso, and mounted it in /mnt/freebsd/ |
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| 10:25.20 | xstation | thewanerer1: so by doing apt-get build-dep wine with correct lines in place will it install wine 1.2? |
| 10:25.30 | Cyphers | wrote deb file:/mnt/freebsd/ lenny contrib main |
| 10:25.37 | Cyphers | but did't works :/ |
| 10:25.47 | thewanderer1 | xstation, it will install whatever you have in the repos |
| 10:25.48 | babilen | xstation: Try "thewan<TAB>" -- it will make you life much easier |
| 10:26.01 | thewanderer1 | babilen, hey! it works in Pidgin! wow |
| 10:26.13 | babilen | :) |
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| 10:27.10 | xstation | so in that case better to install source package from winehq and build it myself |
| 10:27.19 | Cyphers | thewanderer1, when i try to install a package, it goes directly to ftp.debina...etc |
| 10:27.24 | Cyphers | debian* |
| 10:27.38 | thewanderer1 | Cyphers, try it without the Internet repos then |
| 10:27.45 | thewanderer1 | comment them out or so |
| 10:28.12 | Cyphers | even in apt-get update, i get Ign file: lenny contrib main |
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| 10:29.55 | xstation | or for a simple soultion just add the lines as per http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny |
| 10:29.56 | Arafangion | Bah. Apparently Ubuntu is based on Debian Testing. (If one naively reads the latest issue of the LinuxUser&Developer magazine) |
| 10:30.16 | babilen | Vizard: I'm off for lunch then -- Try removing the pcscd package manually. It would also be a good idea to figure out why it is failing. AFAICT the pcscd.postrm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ just removes a couple of directories -- You might want to add "set -x" in lieu of "set -e" in that file to figure out what is going wrong. If everyhting else fails, just comment everything in that file and try to remove the directories mentioned in there ... |
| 10:30.22 | babilen | ... manually. .... More instructions have to wait for some time. And please also let me know which version of pcscd you have installed and the output of the commands I (and dpkg) requested earlier |
| 10:30.36 | Vizard | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/81128/ |
| 10:30.46 | babilen | is off to lunch |
| 10:32.13 | Vizard | lunch is a good idea now |
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| 11:10.18 | Vizard | ok |
| 11:10.55 | Vizard | i hope i won't hate apt after work |
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| 11:13.35 | taree | any reasons why there's no .img install image to just dd to a usb stick? |
| 11:14.29 | cast | well, theres a boot.img.gz that you zcat > /dev/usbstick |
| 11:14.42 | cast | then mount, and copy the netinst iso onto |
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| 11:21.18 | cryptic | how do you quickly find the path to a command line tool? |
| 11:21.40 | taree | whereis |
| 11:21.44 | SlayerXP | cryptic: which |
| 11:22.23 | cryptic | i'm just trying to find where enscript was installed |
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| 11:22.48 | cryptic | and i was using echo $PATH to get all the path locations, followed by ls /usr/bin | grep enscript |
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| 11:22.52 | cryptic | but i knew there had to be a better way :) |
| 11:22.57 | babilen | cryptic: Just use "which" |
| 11:23.08 | cryptic | thanks |
| 11:23.20 | babilen | ... as already pointed out by SlayerXP, and "whereis" is will also tell you (among other things) |
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| 11:24.33 | abrotman | Cryptic: dpkg -L <foopkg> .. look for the binaries you want |
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| 11:38.39 | flamingoA | Is it possible to change the root password within a single command? |
| 11:38.50 | flamingoA | Can I pipe the a input to passwd ? |
| 11:39.13 | Vizard | yes with expect or pexpect |
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| 11:40.50 | flamingoA | Vizard: but that would require me to install a tool |
| 11:41.05 | Vizard | you can't ? |
| 11:41.39 | Vizard | if you have python already installed just grep pexpect into home and point to it |
| 11:42.06 | flamingoA | python is installed |
| 11:42.11 | flamingoA | pexpect is that a command? |
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| 11:42.40 | Vizard | this is a module for python, that would easily enable you to enter pass on runtime |
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| 11:43.15 | Vizard | just loook @ example files, and make changes to your need |
| 11:44.26 | Vizard | and i myself start hating apt |
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| 11:46.17 | thewanderer1 | Vizard, when I told peeps I like zypper more, they started chasing me with torches |
| 11:46.50 | Vizard | yes as usual |
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| 11:47.32 | Vizard | or i think apt hates me |
| 11:47.50 | alcy | folks, anyone using djbdns, its been behaving strangely. |
| 11:48.14 | jelly | alcy: ask your question. |
| 11:49.25 | jelly | alcy: also state your debian release and djbdns/dbndns package versions used |
| 11:49.43 | babilen | Vizard: No progress? |
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| 11:50.08 | Vizard | i started to manually reinstall some pkg |
| 11:51.59 | babilen | Vizard: What are you actuelly trying to do? It looked as if you are trying to upgrade a lenny/sid system to squeeze .. correct? Did the postrm approach not reveal anything about the reasons for the failure? |
| 11:52.06 | Vizard | and get more and more errors, i'm a little disappointed |
| 11:52.45 | babilen | I bet your system is disappointed too :) |
| 11:53.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: sounds like a bit of a mix-n-match - never a good idea :) |
| 11:53.35 | jelly | Vizard: that's why it's called "testing" -- it's not ready yet. |
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| 11:53.38 | abrotman | Vizard: you could use paste.debian.net and show us the error |
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| 11:53.55 | Vizard | yes he is too, i had a productive system with lenny sid and etch in sources.list which i have to repair now |
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| 11:54.27 | jelly | and conversations like this aren't exactly fruitful: <babilen> Vizard: Have you pasted the requested information yet? <Vizard> no <Vizard> no i think it wouldnt help you |
| 11:54.27 | Vizard | very nice ex-administrator who left me this mass |
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| 11:54.57 | soczol | is there some way I can fetch a complete gopher directory (yeah - antique, but it has some files I need) through wget or something similar? |
| 11:55.11 | Vizard | but i was right ? ;) it hadnt help him, but your right |
| 11:55.12 | jpinx-eeepc | heh - I hadn't seen that comment :) |
| 11:55.17 | abrotman | or don't show us ... |
| 11:55.32 | abrotman | soczol: there is a torrent that John Goerzen (sp?) posted recently |
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| 11:55.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: either paste and accept some advice, or stop moaning :) |
| 11:55.43 | Vizard | i'm thankful dont misunderstand me |
| 11:55.44 | alcy | jelly: spent some time, and although I have fixed the problem I am not sure why it got fixed. ok, so the root/IP variable has a local ip address on it, say 192.168.1.211. Now under root/ip/ I have made a file named 127.0.0.1 so that only that host can use dnscache. changing that to the local ip fixe it. |
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| 11:56.24 | alcy | jelly: I meant env/Ip |
| 11:56.28 | alcy | env/IP |
| 11:56.29 | Vizard | i pasted & accepted if you missed it |
| 11:56.37 | abrotman | soczol: http://changelog.complete.org/archives/1469-some-more-gopher-data |
| 11:56.45 | alcy | jelly: on lenny |
| 11:56.51 | abrotman | soczol: good luck! |
| 11:56.53 | soczol | ah nice ;) |
| 11:56.54 | soczol | thanks |
| 11:57.19 | jelly | Vizard: right. for the time being, you can add "exit 0" as second line in /var/lib/dpkg/info/pcscd.postinst script, that will make it skip all its work and pretend everything's all right. Then do something like LC_ALL=C aptitude -f install |
| 11:57.43 | babilen | Vizard's pastes: http://paste.debian.net/81127 and http://paste.debian.net/81128 (no idea if that still reflects the current situation) |
| 11:57.44 | Vizard | ty i'll try |
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| 11:58.34 | abrotman | yeah, the current problem would be preferred |
| 11:58.44 | babilen | Vizard: Have you checked in the meanwhile where you get that error in the script? (→ set -x) |
| 11:58.54 | abrotman | and in english ? |
| 11:59.02 | jelly | alcy: if your dnscache is bound to 192.168.1.211, that's the address to use, not 127.0.0.1 as it won't be listening there. |
| 11:59.04 | Vizard | its now in english |
| 11:59.25 | abrotman | on which paste? |
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| 11:59.45 | abrotman | i see german everywhere! |
| 12:00.00 | jelly | Vizard: yeah, LC_ALL=C makes it go English (instead of LANG=C) |
| 12:00.08 | alcy | jelly: but I have added 127.0.0.1 to be allowed to query the dnscache for answers ? |
| 12:00.14 | Vizard | same error http://paste.debian.net/81137/ |
| 12:00.25 | Vizard | after adding exit 0 |
| 12:00.32 | abrotman | isn't there more error? |
| 12:00.50 | alcy | jelly: I am missing something fundamental here, I guess. |
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| 12:01.14 | jelly | alcy: you need to both bind that IP, and allow clients on that ip. |
| 12:01.36 | Vizard | jelly, sry i putted exit 0 wrong place |
| 12:01.52 | jelly | alcy: frankly the simplest way to do this is to install dnscache-run package, but you can do it manually as well |
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| 12:02.56 | Vizard | but it do change nothing |
| 12:03.01 | Vizard | .. |
| 12:03.28 | alcy | jelly: thanks for the info, surely I needed my concepts to be fixed, more than the package. ;) |
| 12:03.34 | jelly | alcy: if it's only going to be used from this machine, put 127.0.0.1 in env/IP, touch root/ip/127.0.0.1, and that's it. start it and point resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 12:04.21 | Vizard | very good, now i have a system with half lenny half squeeze |
| 12:05.09 | alcy | jelly: I'll surely fix it now, thanks again. |
| 12:05.49 | jelly | Vizard: that's not the same error. First you had hangs starting it, now you have hangs stopping it. |
| 12:06.21 | jelly | Vizard: inspect your processes. Kill pcscd if you can. |
| 12:06.47 | Vizard | this was the 1st thing i did |
| 12:06.53 | jelly | Vizard: see if that makes the removal script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/pcscd.prerm, btw) happier |
| 12:06.55 | Vizard | stopping services |
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| 12:07.17 | jelly | Vizard: that's not what I said. killing processes and stopping services isn't the same |
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| 12:07.22 | babilen | Vizard: Why don't you start over and provide all information "/msg dpkg bat" asks about + "aptitude purge pcscd" (with set -x in it's prerm/postrm script) and "aptitude -f install" ... |
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| 12:08.42 | nameless` | hi |
| 12:09.14 | jelly | Vizard: I meant, if there are processes left over, kill them and kill them hard. |
| 12:09.19 | nameless` | i was wondering about the service that try to leverage at maximum of the RAM buy doing a lot of caching because of the paradigm "free memory is wasting memory" |
| 12:09.39 | nameless` | the thing is that deallocate memory is an operation that costs much more than allocating memory |
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| 12:09.46 | jelly | Vizard: if kill -9 doesn't kill them, you'll have an idea why the init scripts (and install/remove scripts calling those) hang |
| 12:10.11 | thewanderer1 | nameless`, the kernel can do it quickly |
| 12:10.15 | nameless` | so that trying to maximise the memory is a pain for the application that are willing to quickly allocate memory since the system should deallocate caching memory first |
| 12:10.19 | Vizard | jelly, i know, there is nothing to kill there anymore |
| 12:10.35 | jelly | nameless`: do you know enough about Linux kernel VFS subsystem to know that's true? |
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| 12:10.51 | nameless` | thewanderer1: well, i did a little experiment (very simple) i did allocate a lot of integer and i deallocate them |
| 12:10.56 | Vizard | babilen, i already provided everything i had |
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| 12:11.03 | nameless` | the first part (allocating) was done in almost milliseconds |
| 12:11.15 | nameless` | the second part (deallocating) was longer |
| 12:11.17 | Vizard | some1 suggests that this can be a bug on the german chan |
| 12:11.21 | thewanderer1 | so do you deallocate them in blocks? |
| 12:11.24 | nameless` | nop |
| 12:11.32 | nameless` | i allocate thousands of int |
| 12:11.39 | nameless` | in a big "for" |
| 12:11.45 | nameless` | and i did the same for deallocation |
| 12:11.48 | thewanderer1 | that's what kernel does to caches - uses blocks of contigious memory I think |
| 12:11.51 | jelly | nameless`: and you're doing this in kernel space or user space? |
| 12:11.57 | nameless` | user space |
| 12:12.05 | nameless` | as would do an application |
| 12:12.10 | nameless` | any* |
| 12:12.12 | thewanderer1 | I would not be very worried about the kernel deallocating its caches |
| 12:12.26 | nameless` | thewanderer1: because it's the kernel that cache ? |
| 12:12.31 | jelly | nameless`: applications don't manage buffer cache, the kernel does. |
| 12:12.37 | nameless` | i thought it was a debian services somehow |
| 12:12.46 | nameless` | ok |
| 12:12.47 | Vizard | i hate giving up |
| 12:13.27 | jelly | Vizard: if this is supposed to be a production system that you need ASAP, I suggest hiring a consultant. |
| 12:14.13 | Vizard | i have cloned the syste already, which is running on second domain now |
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| 12:14.47 | Vizard | i will move to rpm, every single computer here |
| 12:15.16 | jelly | good, best of luck |
| 12:16.18 | tuv | Vizard: i'm guessing you never used rpm before |
| 12:16.35 | Vizard | i use rpm for over 10 years mate |
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| 12:16.53 | Vizard | never had such problems like with apt |
| 12:17.36 | Vizard | you cannot remove a pkg and manually removing is dangerous? sry this is a sirious problem |
| 12:18.57 | jelly | of course it is, don't use testing if you can't deal with those |
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| 12:19.28 | Vizard | it has litlle to to with testing if i upgrade a stable i thing |
| 12:19.54 | tuv | Vizard: upgrading stable = installing testing |
| 12:20.04 | jelly | your first line was: [11:32] <Vizard> hello all, i am upgrading from lenny to squeeze, but during upgrading aptitude is stucked at "Removing pcscd" for ever, how can i fix this problem ? |
| 12:20.04 | tuv | you're dealing with packages from testing |
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| 12:21.18 | tuv | Vizard: upgrading is non-trivial. lots of large-scale changes. quite a number of packages disappear and others are introduced |
| 12:21.19 | Vizard | yes you right, but also a testing system should @ least have a stable apt |
| 12:21.47 | Vizard | yes this is like rawhide in fedora |
| 12:21.50 | tuv | Vizard: it is stable as long as it's all testing. the crossover is the bottleneck |
| 12:22.01 | babilen | Vizard: I can only ask you again: What do you get as output if you add "set -x" to the prerm/postrm scripts of pcscd? Are you sure that there are no running pcscd processes? |
| 12:22.15 | tuv | i gather upgrading releases is more troublesome with rpm |
| 12:22.34 | Vizard | babilen, ok i try again |
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| 12:24.32 | Vizard | i init 3 and try |
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| 12:25.08 | Vizard | with almost no process and again the same thing |
| 12:25.31 | tuv | runlevels 2 to 5 are identical by default in debian, aren't they? |
| 12:25.42 | Vizard | what ? |
| 12:26.14 | Vizard | tuv, this would be not good |
| 12:26.33 | babilen | Vizard: "the same thing" being what exactly? Where do you get the error in the prerm/postrm script? (i.e. where does it hang?) |
| 12:26.51 | babilen | !runlevel |
| 12:26.51 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>. |
| 12:27.56 | Vizard | no errors, it hangs by removing pcscd |
| 12:28.20 | babilen | huh? no further output after adding "set -x" ? |
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| 12:28.47 | Vizard | oh sry i didnt save |
| 12:28.54 | Vizard | babilen, sry just a mom |
| 12:29.06 | babilen | sighs |
| 12:29.12 | Vizard | hehe |
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| 12:31.48 | Vizard | http://paste.debian.net/81141/ @ the bottom + invoke-rc.d pcscd stop |
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| 12:32.17 | abrotman | where's the rest of the error?! |
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| 12:32.27 | Vizard | no rest |
| 12:32.36 | abrotman | it just hangs there? |
| 12:32.36 | Vizard | every i got |
| 12:32.40 | Vizard | yes |
| 12:33.06 | abrotman | perhaps you want a 'set -x' in the pcscd init script? |
| 12:33.15 | babilen | Vizard: Ok, run the ^^^^^ |
| 12:33.17 | babilen | :) |
| 12:33.34 | Vizard | init.d script you mean? |
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| 12:33.45 | abrotman | yes ... /etc/init.d/pcscd or wahtever it is |
| 12:34.26 | babilen | Vizard: Yes, edit /etc/init.d/pcscd and add "set -x" in there. Also, don't always do "full-upgrade" but try to remove pcscd first (aptitude remove pcscd) as we don't have to see the whole aptitude full-upgrade output |
| 12:35.09 | Vizard | should i place set -x anywhere ? |
| 12:35.24 | abrotman | the line after the shebang |
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| 12:36.08 | babilen | And then just call "/etc/init.d/pcscd stop" and paste the output |
| 12:36.22 | abrotman | why? just remove the darn package |
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| 12:38.50 | Vizard | http://paste.debian.net/81143/ |
| 12:39.13 | abrotman | Vizard: aptitude remove pcscd |
| 12:39.23 | abrotman | erm |
| 12:39.24 | abrotman | sorry |
| 12:39.27 | Vizard | :) |
| 12:39.32 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/pcscd stop |
| 12:39.44 | abrotman | wait .. is the package running at all? |
| 12:39.46 | abrotman | or the process ? |
| 12:40.09 | Vizard | then u get the everything same after ""Entferne pcscd ..."" |
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| 12:42.02 | Vizard | no processes as i mentioned |
| 12:42.58 | babilen | Vizard: If you run "/etc/init.d/pcscd stop" after you've added "set -x" in the second line the only output is still "invoke-rc.d pcscd stop" ? |
| 12:43.10 | Vizard | yes |
| 12:43.14 | Vizard | excactly |
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| 12:43.47 | Vizard | i think you would expect as me, more useful information |
| 12:44.34 | Vizard | problem is i cant do anything with apt, because it hangs @ removing pcbsd |
| 12:44.39 | Vizard | pcscd i mean |
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| 12:45.01 | babilen | Ok, the script is essentially calling: "start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --retry=3 --pidfile $PIDFILE --name $NAME" -- are you sure that the daemon is *not* running anymore? |
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| 12:45.26 | Vizard | yes 100% sure i can paste my process list if you dont believe |
| 12:45.35 | babilen | Vizard: Do you have a file "/var/run/pcscd/*.pid" ? |
| 12:45.56 | Vizard | ll no |
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| 12:46.13 | Vizard | -ll |
| 12:46.42 | raboof | 'dh-make-perl --build --cpan HTML::Microformats' reports it cannot find that module - but it's at http://search.cpan.org/~tobyink/HTML-Microformats-0.00_12/ . Am I getting the naming convention wrong? |
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| 12:47.47 | Vizard | this problem is a problem that i don't wish even to my enemies i dont have (i think) |
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| 12:48.26 | Vizard | before i start boring you, i wanna say you all ty |
| 12:50.02 | babilen | Vizard: Ok, I would suggest to edit the prerm script, comment everything after "set -e" and add "exit 0" instead |
| 12:50.18 | Vizard | ok we can try it too |
| 12:50.22 | babilen | Vizard: That is you would comment the call to "invoke-rc.d" |
| 12:51.24 | Vizard | after setting exit 0 after set -e should be enough as the interpreter exits anyway, right ? |
| 12:51.45 | babilen | yep |
| 12:52.10 | babilen | is back in a second |
| 12:53.18 | jelly | Vizard: paste the output for ps -fe |grep -i pcsc |
| 12:54.23 | Vizard | + grep -i pcsc |
| 12:54.23 | Vizard | + ps -fe |
| 12:54.23 | Vizard | root 24884 18780 0 14:54 pts/0 00:00:00 grep -i pcsc |
| 12:56.05 | Vizard | babilen, output is different |
| 12:56.20 | babilen | guess what i'm going to ask you now ;) |
| 12:56.21 | Vizard | and it upgrades |
| 12:56.36 | Vizard | better not ? ;) |
| 12:56.50 | babilen | so, everything is fine now? |
| 12:56.54 | Vizard | no |
| 12:57.12 | Vizard | the problem is overridden but not solved |
| 12:57.19 | babilen | Vizard: The package did not remove? |
| 12:57.39 | babilen | err, s/did/was |
| 12:57.55 | jelly | Vizard: do "set +x" in your interactive shell to get rid of those + lines |
| 12:57.59 | Vizard | it is removed you're tight |
| 12:58.16 | babilen | i'm tight? well .... |
| 12:58.21 | Vizard | jelly, i find it practical to be honest :) |
| 12:58.29 | Vizard | right i mean :D |
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| 12:58.40 | babilen | Ok, you might now want to follow: |
| 12:58.46 | Vizard | damn keyboard |
| 12:58.46 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 12:58.46 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
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| 12:58.59 | babilen | dpkg: squeeze udev |
| 12:58.59 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 12:59.17 | babilen | in order to upgrade from lenny to squeeze in a *sane* way ... |
| 13:01.26 | Vizard | i'm glad that i dont need to hate apt anymore :) |
| 13:01.38 | babilen | Vizard: You are welcome. That's 50€ ;) |
| 13:01.45 | Vizard | BUT |
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| 13:02.16 | babilen | but? |
| 13:02.23 | jelly | no butts |
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| 13:02.44 | Vizard | such errors shouldnt happen, and much less if you have to make such actions like we did |
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| 13:03.43 | babilen | Vizard: Sorry - those errors typically don't happen and I have no idea in what state your system was beforehand. And "mixture of etch, lenny and sid" does not sound particularly reassuring |
| 13:04.26 | Vizard | yes you're right, this wouldnt happen if the system was installed correctly |
| 13:05.00 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: if he's got etch in there as well he surely needs to upgrade properly to lenny first? |
| 13:05.26 | Vizard | but as a service apt-team could make apt more fault-tolerant |
| 13:05.40 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: I hoped Vizard had already done that ... |
| 13:05.42 | jpinx-eeepc | has been following the unravelling of this mess |
| 13:05.49 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 13:05.55 | Vizard | yes i did ;) |
| 13:06.02 | moldovean | "11:43<Vizard> real support like gentoo-fedora-channels for getting simple answers " ... |
| 13:06.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: aptitude is very good at what it does - if you use it correctly |
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| 13:06.36 | petemc | Vizard: its a bit sanctimonious to sit and complain about a system not being fault tolerant when someone has went out of their way to break it |
| 13:06.37 | Vizard | moldovean, that was a comment i gave before someone answered |
| 13:07.14 | babilen | Vizard: Way to go if you want to encourage people to help you ... |
| 13:07.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: it might be a good time to pastebin your sources.list for us to see where you're at |
| 13:07.22 | Vizard | but i didnt see why "removing pcscd" is a product of a broken system ... |
| 13:08.01 | Vizard | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 13:08.01 | Vizard | #deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 13:08.01 | Vizard | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:08.01 | Vizard | #deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:08.01 | Vizard | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 13:08.08 | jpinx-eeepc | idiot |
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| 13:08.14 | Vizard | sry |
| 13:08.17 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 13:08.19 | jpinx-eeepc | idiot |
| 13:08.39 | Vizard | no need to be ride jpinx-eeepc |
| 13:08.43 | Vizard | rude |
| 13:08.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: I said pastebin |
| 13:08.46 | babilen | Vizard: Failure to do so is -- But anyway. I hope you take some time now and get accustomed to the quirks you are going to face when you upgrade to squeeze (especially the kernel/udev situation) ... |
| 13:09.25 | babilen | squeeze-proposed updates? |
| 13:09.50 | Vizard | is it something wrong with it babilen ? |
| 13:09.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: I already see a mix of "squeeze" and "testing" - what else is a mess in there? |
| 13:10.20 | babilen | Vizard: Please paste it to a pastebin ... You should know the drill ;) |
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| 13:10.36 | Vizard | nothing, this was a list i got from sourcelist.eu |
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| 13:10.44 | Vizard | yes i know |
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| 13:11.30 | moldovean | Vizard, no, that was about "simple answers" ... took > 3 hrs |
| 13:11.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: why are you using an ubuntu style sources.list ? |
| 13:12.03 | Vizard | jpinx-eeepc, can you provide me your sources.list ? |
| 13:12.12 | moldovean | !sources |
| 13:12.12 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 13:12.22 | Vizard | to know which style is right |
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| 13:12.29 | Vizard | ok MoL0ToV |
| 13:12.37 | Vizard | moldovean, i mean |
| 13:12.38 | babilen | Vizard: Please paste the sources.list you are using *right now* |
| 13:12.50 | Vizard | didnt you get the list ? |
| 13:12.53 | Vizard | above |
| 13:13.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: pastebin the whole file - not here - in a pastebin |
| 13:13.13 | babilen | I prefer to have the *complete* list in a pastebin |
| 13:13.33 | Vizard | http://paste.debian.net/81145/ |
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| 13:13.36 | jpinx-eeepc | trying to help someone when we only have half the informaation is not easy... |
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| 13:14.59 | Andrea88 | can anyone advise me good program for bidirectional syncronize folder between two computer over ssh or socket? |
| 13:15.06 | lmaowaffle | hi folks, I'm using debian squeeze. I've noticed that there is no xorg.conf file, and yet my system (X in particular) functions fine. I stumbled across an error today in virtualbox stating that the guest os is running 24-bit color mode, when it should be running in 32-bit. How do I set X to use 32bit color, without having to manually generate a xorg.conf explicitly enabling 32bit color? |
| 13:15.10 | babilen | Vizard: http://paste.debian.net/81146/ |
| 13:15.43 | Vizard | this should be enought i think |
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| 13:15.48 | Vizard | ? |
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| 13:15.51 | babilen | Andrea88: rsync? unison? |
| 13:16.08 | babilen | Vizard: What should be enough? |
| 13:16.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Andrea88: rsync |
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| 13:16.32 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: xorg.conf is mostly not needed as of lenny. the new xorg introduced /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 13:16.33 | Vizard | to only have these two lines? |
| 13:16.47 | babilen | yes |
| 13:16.58 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: the guest additions installaton script should generate a xorg configuration, or you can generate one with X -configure |
| 13:16.59 | oshim | anyone there know about varnish-cache |
| 13:17.34 | Andrea88 | i try rsync but it cannot handle good when you create or delete file on both computer and then start a syncronization .. unison can handle that corretly? |
| 13:17.47 | babilen | Vizard: Use that, run "aptitude update" and then follow the instructions on "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" (although *I* would skip the safe-upgrade step) |
| 13:17.57 | thewanderer1 | Andrea88, yes |
| 13:18.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Andrea88: rsync can do that - you need to read the man pages |
| 13:18.22 | babilen | oshim: Just ask your real question. I don't use it and I doubt that you want to know how many people in #debian use that software. |
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| 13:19.47 | oshim | using varnish-cache can i restrict user request ? like i want to accept max 10 req in a second |
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| 13:21.23 | thewanderer1 | oshim, I think you can do that with iptables |
| 13:21.35 | lmaowaffle | jordanm: would X -configure output differ greatly than to what's autodetected (no xorg.conf)? |
| 13:22.00 | oshim | thewanderer1 : not possible by varnish? |
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| 13:22.16 | Vizard | Andrea88, have you tryed rsyncing from one another ? |
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| 13:23.08 | Vizard | i mean trying the same sync on source/target & taget/source |
| 13:23.11 | thewanderer1 | oshim, I don't know about varnish, but why re-invent the wheel? |
| 13:24.02 | jimcooncat | I have some computers with three NIC cards each. I'm setting up preseeds for each computer, and want the top NIC to stay eth0, bottom one eth2, etc. Do I only need to specify this in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, or do I need to also mess with /etc/interfaces? |
| 13:24.26 | oshim | thewanderer1 : so ur suggesion to use iptable for that work? |
| 13:24.36 | Vizard | udev is usually enough |
| 13:24.41 | Vizard | often |
| 13:24.44 | babilen | jimcooncat: No, 70-presistent-net are the udev rules that determine the interface naming |
| 13:25.07 | babilen | jimcooncat: So that should be enough ... /e/n/i is used to configure those (already named) interfaces |
| 13:25.08 | thewanderer1 | oshim, iptables have a rate-limiting module with burst option |
| 13:25.19 | thewanderer1 | plus you're not filling TCP buffers |
| 13:25.30 | babilen | Vizard: How is your update coming along? |
| 13:25.38 | Vizard | yes |
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| 13:25.53 | oshim | thewanderer1, can give me a guideline how can i implement it by iptables? |
| 13:25.54 | Vizard | you will get rid of me soon ;) |
| 13:26.00 | jimcooncat | babilen: good. So if I preserve that and get it into my pxe install it somehow that will work? Maybe with a late command? |
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| 13:26.22 | babilen | jimcooncat: Are you planning to duplicate that file to the others hosts? |
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| 13:26.58 | jimcooncat | babilen: no, each host would get it's own, because of unique MAC addresses. I just want to be able to quickly reinstall without messing with the interfaces. |
| 13:27.03 | thewanderer1 | oshim, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iptables+rate+limiting |
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| 13:27.56 | Andrea88 | Vizard: yes .. the problem is that if i delete a file in a pc and than i delete another file in the other pc and than start sync, the two file is re-created because the file are still present at least in one pc.. |
| 13:27.59 | babilen | jimcooncat: Ok -- That is exactly what I was after |
| 13:28.02 | oshim | thewanderer1, |
| 13:28.08 | oshim | thewanderer1, thanks |
| 13:28.19 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: no |
| 13:28.21 | abrotman | ask #netfilter |
| 13:28.40 | jimcooncat | Would it be possible to make an installable package of the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? .deb or .udeb? |
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| 13:29.06 | Vizard | Andrea88, so you have two rsync's running ? why if so ? |
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| 13:29.29 | Vizard | one server and one client should be enough |
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| 13:30.24 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat, no, that is, unless you use dpkg-divert |
| 13:30.25 | abrotman | jimcooncat: i don't see why not .. but why would you ? |
| 13:30.49 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, attack of the clones prolly |
| 13:31.06 | abrotman | waits for the real answer |
| 13:31.08 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1, abrotman: I want to set up a preseed for each host. |
| 13:31.31 | abrotman | jimcooncat: do you already know the MAC for the device? |
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| 13:32.37 | Andrea88 | Vizard : i run first rsync for pc1->pc2 and second for pc2->pc1 .. is this not correct? |
| 13:33.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Andrea88: rean man rsync - it can be all d0ne in one pass |
| 13:33.20 | thewanderer1 | or use unison :P |
| 13:33.22 | jpinx-eeepc | *read man rsync... |
| 13:33.29 | Vizard | i would make pc1 running rsync-server and pc2 for doing queries |
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| 13:33.52 | Andrea88 | jpinx-eeepc: i've read .. probably i shoud read another time .. |
| 13:34.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Andrea88: there are good examples in there too |
| 13:34.37 | jimcooncat | abrotman: yes, I'm collecting the MAC addresses. I just want the ethX numbers to stay the same when I reinstall |
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| 13:36.05 | Andrea88 | thewanderer1: i prefer rsync if it's possible what i would do .. unison is no long manteniance and not so used like rsync .. |
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| 13:36.19 | abrotman | jimcooncat: but that file is empty at install time .. it doesn't put anything in it til udev detects a new interface and then it auto-assigns |
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| 13:36.48 | jimcooncat | abrotman: so that's after the first reboot? |
| 13:36.54 | abrotman | jimcooncat: AIUI |
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| 13:37.23 | g0rd0n | does the debian 2.6.32 kernel contain the hyper-v extensions? |
| 13:38.02 | abrotman | do you know the config option ? |
| 13:38.19 | g0rd0n | hmmm no |
| 13:38.20 | jordanm | !hyperv |
| 13:38.20 | dpkg | Microsoft Hyper-V (formerly Windows Server Virtualization) is a proprietary system <virtualization> product, not supported in #debian. An installation procedure for using Debian as a guest operating system is at http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsServerHyperV . The Hyper-V staging drivers (providing paravirtualization support) are disabled in Debian 2.6.32 kernel image packages, slated for removal from mainline in 2.6.35. |
| 13:38.25 | abrotman | $ grep HYPER /boot/config-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:38.25 | abrotman | # CONFIG_SYS_HYPERVISOR is not set |
| 13:38.26 | abrotman | # CONFIG_HYPERV is not set |
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| 13:38.40 | g0rd0n | :( |
| 13:39.30 | abrotman | you could recompile it with it enabled, though that's your own security fun then |
| 13:40.41 | thewanderer1 | hm, why add staging drivers and remove them later? lack of MS support? |
| 13:40.59 | abrotman | perhaps they were superceded? |
| 13:41.09 | Vizard | babilen, ty for warning me about the upgrade |
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| 13:41.43 | babilen | Vizard: hehe |
| 13:41.48 | g0rd0n | abrotman: i will do that |
| 13:42.18 | abrotman | g0rd0n: just remember that when there are security issues, you will need to recompile yours as well |
| 13:42.43 | Vizard | and ty the man/woman who was rude to me, about my sources.list |
| 13:43.06 | Vizard | jpinx-eeepc, was his name i think ;) |
| 13:43.12 | g0rd0n | abrotman: thats ok, that machine has no services reachable from the oustide world |
| 13:43.14 | g0rd0n | just intranet stuff |
| 13:43.18 | jpinx-eeepc | checks his gender |
| 13:43.22 | babilen | Vizard: I take it that everything is working smooth now, or "alles in Butter" ? |
| 13:43.24 | Vizard | hehe |
| 13:43.43 | Vizard | "scheint soweit ja" :) |
| 13:43.44 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: No don't do that - You always are confused afterwards :) |
| 13:44.03 | abrotman | g0rd0n: you trust your users?! :) |
| 13:45.04 | Vizard | bb all, have a nice day, i'll report tomorrow if you wannna |
| 13:45.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Vizard: enjoy your new sources.list and remember to define releases by name "squeeze" etc - not as "testing" etc |
| 13:45.44 | Vizard | yes ok |
| 13:46.05 | Vizard | ;) |
| 13:46.20 | jpinx-eeepc | otherwise it will bite you hard when a new release comes through |
| 13:46.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Hrmph |
| 13:47.34 | thewanderer1 | sees this as a bad sign of having to modify 50 sources.list files |
| 13:48.17 | g0rd0n | abrotman: yes :) |
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| 13:48.45 | jpinx-eeepc | thewanderer1: it's worth the trouble - especially with squeeze coming up to be frozen/stable sometime relativley soon |
| 13:48.47 | eshat | Hi all,... |
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| 13:49.25 | g0rd0n | lol |
| 13:49.33 | g0rd0n | "sometime relativley soon" |
| 13:50.01 | g0rd0n | sa shall i install squeeze if i am to set up a new system? |
| 13:50.04 | g0rd0n | so* |
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| 13:52.50 | g0rd0n | no need to answer, we will skip lenny and go directly to squeeze :) |
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| 14:05.16 | rhineshell | does anybody knows why on a 64bit IBM-Server 3200 is it impossible to install a 64bit lenny? |
| 14:05.41 | petemc | rhineshell: what processor does it have? |
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| 14:07.10 | eSa| | ancora niente font ]:| può essere qui la causa? http://pastebin.com/tNHqMXtk |
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| 14:07.51 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell eSa| about .it |
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| 14:08.09 | thewanderer1 | rhineshell, are you sure Pentium D is 64-bit? |
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| 14:09.04 | rhineshell | a hello Im back, its a pentium D |
| 14:09.32 | eSa| | sorry wrong channel. Any way, i'm not able to see japanese web pages even though i installed some japanese fonts. could it be the wrong X configuration? |
| 14:10.00 | rhineshell | okay Pentium D seems to be 32Bit |
| 14:10.05 | g3brown | Pentium D has EMT64, not AMD64 |
| 14:10.05 | RichiH | if you aren't using the font... |
| 14:10.46 | g3brown | Think it same thing though |
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| 14:10.56 | eSa| | locale is set on it_IT.UTF8 |
| 14:11.20 | eSa| | i'm confused ubuntu live just did it fine |
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| 14:11.52 | moldovean | eSa|, and debian live ? |
| 14:12.16 | eSa| | i've no livecd. i installed via deboostrap |
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| 14:15.31 | moldovean | eSa|, apt-cache search japanese fonts |
| 14:16.00 | rhineshell | g3brown: so it should be possible to install a amd64 on a IBM-Server 3200? |
| 14:17.01 | moldovean | 16:08<rhineshell> okay Pentium D seems to be 32Bit |
| 14:17.33 | moldovean | hoops , ignore it |
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| 14:18.34 | thewanderer1 | I don't think Pentium D is 64-bit |
| 14:19.11 | thewanderer1 | oh, it is... |
| 14:19.57 | jelly | if there's mention of " lm " in flags line in /proc/cpuinfo, it is |
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| 14:20.15 | jelly | dpkg: is64 is <reply>see lm |
| 14:20.15 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 14:20.24 | moldovean | rhineshell, which was the previous system ? was it 64 bit ? |
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| 14:22.05 | rhineshell | the problem was, we used ia64 instead of amd64. and ia64 is just for the first intel 64 arch |
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| 14:22.27 | thewanderer1 | yeah... that's a tricky one :P |
| 14:22.39 | moldovean | rhineshell, IBM say about it that support Linux ? |
| 14:22.54 | thewanderer1 | it's easy to mistake that in IBM, whereas they still have IA64 in some models and EM64T in others |
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| 14:23.41 | rhineshell | I don't know. I did not read the manual or the package of that server |
| 14:24.30 | rhineshell | but I suppose so. IBM supports allways linux even on mainframes :) |
| 14:25.29 | pyrophelia | I'm looking for a svn/git commando. I'd like to bring the version control systems of svn or git to my office to help keep track of final cup projects. Looking at the to servers they both seem to offer some very powerful tools that could help our production. however I'm a little confused about a few of the features. Because I'm trying to deploy either svn or git for a bunch artists, I can't expect them to know how to use a t |
| 14:25.30 | pyrophelia | erminal, so how do you search a svn or git repo without grep? is it even possible? |
| 14:25.42 | pyrophelia | also how is meta data handeled in svn and git repos? |
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| 14:25.58 | babilen | rhineshell: Do you have access to that server and can you check /proc/cpuinfo? If not, do you have a link to the product page? |
| 14:26.01 | pyrophelia | meta data stored on a svn doesn't seem useful at all from the lit i've read |
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| 14:27.16 | babilen | pyrophelia: You might want to ask #git -- especially in respect to git's windows port and possibilities to integrate git with filemanagers/development tools |
| 14:27.31 | pyrophelia | didn't think they had a channel, thanks |
| 14:28.03 | moldovean | pyrophelia, try #git |
| 14:28.25 | pyrophelia | I couldn't care less about windows, we use final cut pro (mac). the git gui's i've played with so far seem functional so that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 14:28.58 | babilen | pyrophelia: so you need a RVCS for mostly binary data? |
| 14:29.19 | pyrophelia | babilen, aye |
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| 14:29.51 | pyrophelia | I only know of cvs, svn, and git. is there something better? |
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| 14:31.23 | babilen | pyrophelia: AFAIK git is the better choice there. I also heard that perforce is a good choice for binary data, but I disliked it when I was forced to use it @work. You might want to ask the #git people and other people *in your field* (i.e. video production) to get some reliable opinions. I've just used RVCS for source code (and some binary files) and git is my preferred tool. Can't really tell you how well it copes with large binary files though ... |
| 14:31.29 | babilen | ... and if there are better systems for that |
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| 14:33.01 | d8uv | Quick question from an idiot: On my unstable machine, "aptitude show python-twisted" shows "Version: 10.0.0-3", but a ,version python-twisted will show 10.1.0.something. "aptitude update" doesn't help. How do I make my machine see the new versions? |
| 14:33.28 | babilen | pyrophelia: Also git is harder to learn than svn ... Other systems you should check comprise: mercurial, perforce and bazaar (among a million other) check https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Revision_control |
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| 14:33.56 | jordanm | d8uv: use a different mirror |
| 14:33.57 | babilen | d8uv: Still that version? You might want to try a different mirror. Which one do you use now? |
| 14:34.17 | d8uv | I have no idea |
| 14:34.29 | babilen | pyrophelia: Good luck! |
| 14:34.42 | pyrophelia | babilen, i'll have to check it out. the git guys told me that because the projects I work on massive (90TB total) git would not be a good idea |
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| 14:35.33 | pyrophelia | babilen, ty |
| 14:35.40 | d8uv | "$ sudo aptitude update" => "Hit http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release.gpg" |
| 14:35.56 | d8uv | If that helps at alll |
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| 14:36.20 | babilen | pyrophelia: Yes - I heard perforce can handle massive repositories quite well. There might be a #revision-control channel ... somewhere, or the git people know a good alternative. Let me know when you have found a good solution please |
| 14:36.40 | X-Raimo | hello, where can I find new kernel for lenny? |
| 14:36.57 | BlackFate | d8uv, apt-get policy python-twisted |
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| 14:37.02 | moldovean | X-Raimo, backports |
| 14:37.07 | BlackFate | d8uv, how many versions it shows? |
| 14:37.21 | babilen | s/apt-get/apt-cache |
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| 14:37.35 | babilen | X-Raimo: On http://backports.org |
| 14:37.36 | BlackFate | d8uv, in order to change the version you have to change repository order with apt pinning |
| 14:37.40 | babilen | !tell X-Raimo -about bpo |
| 14:37.48 | BlackFate | yes.. soz.. apt-cache |
| 14:37.49 | Pinchiukas | For some reason when starting screen the shell used is /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash like logged in usually, what's the matter? |
| 14:38.05 | babilen | BlackFate: pinning? huh? |
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| 14:38.08 | X-Raimo | thanx |
| 14:38.12 | hello2 | hello |
| 14:38.28 | hello2 | how to get ssl certificate ? |
| 14:38.31 | BlackFate | babilen, http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 14:38.47 | hello2 | i lokedin default debian snaleoil and its ky missing from respective flders |
| 14:39.05 | d8uv | BlackFate: apt-cache policy sees one version, 10.0.0-3 0 |
| 14:39.06 | pyrophelia | babilen, I'm doing some research on this now while I talk to the git people. their opinion was to use git to simply track the meta-data and the raw files would simply be sym-links in the git repo |
| 14:39.06 | jordanm | BlackFate: since he runs sid, he could only pin from experimental |
| 14:39.14 | jordanm | BlackFate: but the package he is looking for is in sid |
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| 14:39.52 | d8uv | And yeah, pinning doesn't seem like the answer. Getting a new package database seems like it could be the answer, but I have no idea -how- |
| 14:39.59 | babilen | hello2: http://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 |
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| 14:40.16 | ethanol | Pinchiukas: that was a change made in lenny or squeeze (although I thought it was only for scripts). also it was optional and asked during install/upgrade |
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| 14:40.27 | babilen | d8uv: Use a different mirror and run "aptitude update" -- which mirror are you using now? |
| 14:40.27 | jordanm | d8uv: did you try a different mirror already? |
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| 14:40.36 | babilen | jordanm: *high five* |
| 14:40.38 | hello2 | looking through thx |
| 14:40.40 | Pinchiukas | ethanol: it's a server that I didn't install myself. How can I change that? |
| 14:40.47 | jordanm | babilen: :) |
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| 14:40.55 | babilen | pyrophelia: yeah - i am in that channel ;) |
| 14:40.56 | miguel000 | updating my system reverted my grub configs, and the windows entry is gone now |
| 14:41.01 | ethanol | Pinchiukas: eh, not sure to be honest. I only know how to change a user's shell, not the default global one |
| 14:41.07 | BlackFate | d8uv, did you try reinstalling the package? |
| 14:41.20 | jordanm | Pinchiukas: I would guess adduser.conf |
| 14:41.33 | miguel000 | can I get the windows boot option back easily? or do I need to figure it all out again (device name, etc..) |
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| 14:41.39 | jordanm | Pinchiukas: DSHELL option |
| 14:41.45 | ethanol | Pinchiukas: try `chsh` |
| 14:41.55 | d8uv | BlackFate: The problem is that my machine only sees the old version, the new version doesn't work at the all |
| 14:41.57 | ethanol | oh, or what jordanm said perhaps. I don't know |
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| 14:42.23 | Pinchiukas | jordanm: my user shell is bash, just the shell in screen is sh for some reason. |
| 14:42.24 | moldovean | miguel000, ask in next room #grub |
| 14:42.30 | miguel000 | ook |
| 14:43.04 | BlackFate | d8uv, this happens when you mess with custon repos... did you add it from an external source? |
| 14:43.10 | jordanm | Pinchiukas: screenrc? |
| 14:43.11 | BlackFate | custom* |
| 14:43.18 | d8uv | jordanm, babilen: I have no idea how to change mirrors, but I will attempt this! |
| 14:43.23 | Pinchiukas | jordanm: nothing there about the shell. |
| 14:43.37 | babilen | !tell d8uv -about mirrors |
| 14:43.41 | jordanm | BlackFate: a custom repo wouldn't effect this, unless he had it pinned to > 1000 |
| 14:43.44 | d8uv | BlackFate: Nothing on my machine isn't standard Sid fare. Nothing custom or weird |
| 14:44.05 | babilen | d8uv: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list (or paste the one you use now to http://paste.debian.net) |
| 14:44.21 | babilen | d8uv: And why do you use sid if you don't know how to change mirrors?? |
| 14:44.42 | d8uv | Because I'm an idiot who likes pain |
| 14:45.00 | moldovean | babilen, b/c sns ? |
| 14:45.24 | babilen | moldovean: probably -- quite a serious case though |
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| 14:46.12 | d8uv | Like, I didn't know changing mirrors was the same as changing repos. Learning happened! |
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| 14:48.42 | moldovean | d8uv, my idea , go install lenny , and use that in deep for good starting learning |
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| 14:49.09 | babilen | pyrophelia: Not sure if that is an option, but there is: https://www.apple.com/finalcutserver/ which might integrate well with your existing toolchain. But the best idea I have is to actually talk to other people who have done that. |
| 14:49.16 | adac | can anyone point me to a good tutorial with debian mysql + ssl ? |
| 14:49.41 | moldovean | !mysql |
| 14:49.41 | dpkg | MySQL is a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. http://wiki.debian.org/MySql http://mysql.com/ #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net. See also <mysql checking>, <mysql memory usage>. |
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| 14:50.04 | pyrophelia | babilen, we use it. but those blades are insanely expensive. we use them for active projects. it does nothing for our archive |
| 14:50.48 | pyrophelia | babilen, I built a backblaze cluster to store our archive, and I have 10Xervs for final cut rendering |
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| 14:52.35 | babilen | pyrophelia: Alright -- I guess that I have nothing more to add, as my experience with "version control" is in the area of kilo/megabytes and I am much more concerned about good collaboration between developers than managing terrabytes :) |
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| 14:54.45 | Bushmills | wonders whether terrabytes are the complement of lunabytes |
| 14:55.15 | pyrophelia | babilen, it's ok. Thank you for your thoughts though. I never turn down a suggestion |
| 14:56.37 | babilen | Bushmills: hahahah - good one. Had me laughing there :) |
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| 14:58.32 | Bushmills | that makes threee jovian pounds, please |
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| 15:05.30 | jelly | Bushmills: beware the terrorbytes |
| 15:05.52 | Bushmills | or the killograms |
| 15:06.21 | babilen | stop it :'-D |
| 15:07.31 | jelly | nibbles babilen a bit |
| 15:07.35 | Bushmills | yes, in a nannicentury |
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| 15:25.07 | hello | hell o again |
| 15:25.08 | hello | :) |
| 15:25.43 | babilen | hello: hello |
| 15:25.49 | hello | um can any one open https://aaditya.sytes.net/ |
| 15:26.01 | babilen | can you? |
| 15:26.28 | hello | https://117.254.54.209 |
| 15:26.35 | hello | try it sorry for above |
| 15:26.37 | hello | yes i can |
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| 15:27.24 | hello | cn u now?https://117.254.54.209 |
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| 15:27.32 | babilen | hello: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/117.254.54.209 |
| 15:27.51 | hello | cn u now? https://117.254.54.209 |
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| 15:28.33 | hello | what is written over there ?if u can browse it ? |
| 15:28.46 | jelly | hello: Hello ..................... |
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| 15:29.08 | babilen | hello: Not much content over there --- just a ^^^^^ |
| 15:29.11 | hello | nice https working : ) |
| 15:29.24 | hello | had a self certificate |
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| 15:29.31 | Xat` | hi |
| 15:29.56 | Xat` | i have a problem with a package installation of sarg for squid |
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| 15:30.28 | Xat` | installation is ok, but i don't have all files in directory... |
| 15:30.30 | hello | yea i also want to know abt how cache maintained in squid |
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| 15:30.59 | hello | it mkes cache serve faster ? |
| 15:31.02 | Xat` | i tried purge, reinstall, remove, install... |
| 15:31.12 | Xat` | nothing works |
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| 15:31.17 | Xat` | somebody can help me please ? |
| 15:31.32 | hello | jelly bebilen may help you |
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| 15:31.46 | jordanm | !tell Xat` about bat |
| 15:31.48 | hello | they are quering database in thier brin CPU |
| 15:31.52 | jordanm | !tell Xat` about enter |
| 15:31.52 | hello | brain& |
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| 15:32.15 | jelly | hello: please don't highlight me needlessly |
| 15:32.30 | hello | hehe |
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| 15:32.40 | hello | dev are awesome |
| 15:32.44 | hello | ; ) |
| 15:33.02 | jelly | dev? |
| 15:33.17 | hello | mean developers |
| 15:33.20 | Xat` | jordanm: can you help me ? |
| 15:33.21 | hello | or admin |
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| 15:33.40 | jordanm | Xat`: if you follow the instructions that dpkg pm'ed you, yes |
| 15:33.49 | Xat` | ok |
| 15:33.52 | Xat` | thanks |
| 15:34.08 | hello | hey i get a error 500 Error - Web Site is Temporarily Unavailable |
| 15:34.09 | hello | The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. |
| 15:34.09 | hello | Please try again later. |
| 15:34.27 | hello | why its frequent for websites i visit , |
| 15:34.29 | hello | like thawte |
| 15:34.40 | ksk | vhost-limit? |
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| 15:34.58 | hello | ksk is it for me ? |
| 15:34.58 | ksk | (there are too many ppl visiting this page) |
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| 15:35.07 | hello | um, |
| 15:35.13 | hello | yeah may be ? |
| 15:35.26 | ksk | may be, i dont know exactly ;) |
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| 15:35.56 | hello | do u know how to browse website cert ? |
| 15:36.04 | hello | ssl certificate |
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| 15:36.28 | babilen | hello: What do you mean by "browse a ssl certificate" ? |
| 15:36.44 | hello | browse mine ?can you https://117.254.54.209 |
| 15:36.59 | hello | just i mean you can look its secure ? |
| 15:37.05 | hello | or those are hidden for yo u |
| 15:37.09 | simonrvn | that's a web site, not an ssl cert |
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| 15:37.42 | hello | um i need more reading back to books b4 asking noob question hehe |
| 15:37.53 | hello | : ) |
| 15:37.59 | babilen | hello: You probably use a self-signed certificate and I (or my infrastructure) don't trusts self-signed certs |
| 15:38.10 | hello | um okay |
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| 15:38.22 | jan__ | hi |
| 15:38.27 | hello | need to get verisign umm how much it cost ? |
| 15:38.29 | babilen | jan__: hello |
| 15:38.35 | babilen | hello: ask them :) |
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| 15:38.54 | hello | than payments made to my websites are seecure hehe |
| 15:39.04 | jan__ | i need some help |
| 15:39.15 | jordanm | verisign will likely be the most expensive. shop around, but here is not really the place to ask |
| 15:39.23 | simonrvn | hello: working dns would help |
| 15:39.23 | babilen | hello: http://www.cacert.org/ |
| 15:39.23 | jordanm | !tell jan__ about ask |
| 15:39.32 | jan__ | so i would like to change somefiles in the /proc i.e. |
| 15:39.39 | hello | um customer feel secure with verign or commercial cerificates? |
| 15:39.45 | jan__ | the changes should be permanently |
| 15:39.55 | hello | um oky looking for the abovelinks |
| 15:40.00 | babilen | jan__: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 15:40.08 | simonrvn | cacert.org is fine if you want a 3rd party cert |
| 15:40.08 | jan__ | i changed it yesterday but it swiotched back aftre reboot |
| 15:40.19 | jan__ | babilen: i want to save some power |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | jan__: that's how /proc/ works |
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| 15:40.54 | jan__ | abrotman: is there no way to changed it so that after reboot writeback time for example is set to 1500 |
| 15:41.01 | jan__ | instead 500 |
| 15:41.02 | babilen | jan__: How do you do that? And, as abrotman has already pointed out, the behaviour you encounter is in line with the way /proc is *meant* to work |
| 15:41.12 | abrotman | jan__: it deppends on the actual setting you're changing |
| 15:41.21 | jan__ | ah ok |
| 15:41.23 | thewanderer1 | jan__, see /etc/sysctl.conf and /etc/sysctl.d |
| 15:41.32 | simonrvn | /proc is a *pseudo* filesystem |
| 15:41.40 | jhutchins_lt | jan__: doesn't really exist. |
| 15:41.46 | Xat` | jordanm: can i send my link here ? |
| 15:42.15 | babilen | Xat`: Yes |
| 15:42.26 | Xat` | ok gracias : http://paste.debian.net/81157/ |
| 15:43.00 | jordanm | !localized errors\ |
| 15:43.02 | jordanm | !localized errors |
| 15:43.07 | jan__ | hmmm...that wasn't clear to me |
| 15:43.13 | jan__ | thanks so far |
| 15:43.16 | babilen | Xat`: The package is already installed |
| 15:43.30 | Xat` | yes but i don't have sarg.conf file |
| 15:43.30 | babilen | jan__: Which setting do you want to set permanently? |
| 15:43.32 | Xat` | and others files |
| 15:43.46 | jan__ | so i would like to change the dirty_writebacktime and the laptop_mode |
| 15:43.54 | babilen | Xat`: Have you deleted them? (Sorry, i know nothing about sarg) |
| 15:44.15 | Xat` | babilen: yes, i deleted before reinstall it |
| 15:44.22 | jordanm | !localized errors |
| 15:44.22 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 15:44.23 | jan__ | babilen: after changeing it i used about 2 watt less |
| 15:44.28 | babilen | !tell Xat` -about confmiss |
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| 15:45.01 | jordanm | Xat`: the confmiss factoid that babilen sent you should take care of it. Please note the localized errors factoid above for the future |
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| 15:49.25 | Silent700 | Hey all....apt-get n00b here |
| 15:49.33 | Silent700 | trying to update under Debian Etch. |
| 15:49.51 | Silent700 | seems like the etch directory is no longer at ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
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| 15:50.36 | tpocra | I plugged a 2TB HDD with one big encrypted logical volume into a new debian machine... how can I get LVM2 to see it in /dev/mapper without destroying it? |
| 15:51.23 | Computer | i set up /boot/grub/menu.lst with root=UUID=fjdkslfjkldsjlk ro quiet ... and now when i boot i get fsck.ext3 unable to resolve 'UUID=fhdjkshfjkdhsjkf' |
| 15:51.49 | Computer | so it looks like although grub knows how to resolve that, fsck isn't resolving it right |
| 15:52.47 | Xat` | thanks a lot jordanm & babilen |
| 15:52.52 | Xat` | it's ok now :) |
| 15:53.30 | Computer | oh wow that UUID isn't even right |
| 15:53.30 | abrotman | !tell Silent700 about ado |
| 15:53.36 | abrotman | !tell Silent700 about etch->lenny |
| 15:53.38 | Computer | could the UUID's have changed?? |
| 15:53.43 | Silent700 | yes please do :) |
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| 15:54.02 | Silent700 | ah, a helpful bot. Thanks! |
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| 15:55.20 | lukosanthropos | !tell lukosanthropos about apt |
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| 15:56.37 | jan__ | is there a way to change the files in /proc? |
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| 15:58.54 | Linux143 | proc is a virtual file system gets generated automatically |
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| 16:00.49 | jan__ | Linux143: so if i want to change the power-settings, i have to change them every time manual? |
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| 16:05.05 | jelly | jan__: you were already told to use /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 16:09.40 | thewanderer1 | great, gedit freezes on me after trying to save a file to sftp... I at least have copied the contents into the clipboard and into nano when it was pretending to save |
| 16:10.21 | thewanderer1 | now gnome-panel is frozen... O.o |
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| 16:11.08 | jan__ | do i just have to write a .config-file where the changes are written? |
| 16:12.15 | thewanderer1 | jan__, look at the syntax of /etc/sysctl.conf . Basically, variable names are sysctl file paths relative to /proc/sys and you replace slashes / with dots . |
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| 16:16.43 | jordanm | !tell thewanderer1 about emacs |
| 16:17.08 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, thanks, I prefer Linux |
| 16:17.29 | Zharf | :) |
| 16:18.08 | thewanderer1 | vim is better than emacs' editing function anyway :P |
| 16:18.36 | thewanderer1 | !tell jordanm about vim |
| 16:18.44 | fxiny | trwo lines :P |
| 16:18.46 | fxiny | two* |
| 16:19.20 | fxiny | first line is : vim is an editor . second line : inferior to emacs :P |
| 16:19.44 | thewanderer1 | !vim |
| 16:19.44 | dpkg | [vim] Vi IMproved, an enhanced <vi> editor. Extremely popular clone with syntax highlighting and graphical X interface available. vim-tiny package no longer installs vim <alternatives> as of 2:7.2.049-1 (Debian bug #529977). See also <vim refcard>, <cream>, <colored pager>, <vim syntax highlighting>. http://www.vim.org/ http://vim.wikia.com/ #vim on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:20.04 | d1b | fxiny: erh? |
| 16:20.07 | thewanderer1 | lol, no :P |
| 16:20.28 | fxiny | d1b: :) |
| 16:20.36 | d1b | fxiny: different to emacs. |
| 16:20.47 | d1b | i prefer vim. mostly because emacs is an os :P |
| 16:20.54 | thewanderer1 | hae you heard that emacs can now run vim? |
| 16:21.11 | d1b | thewanderer1: if only emacs could run eclipse and then vim in eclipse ;P |
| 16:21.27 | thewanderer1 | right, let's file a bug against emacs |
| 16:21.28 | fxiny | i live in org-mode |
| 16:21.45 | d1b | thewanderer1: lets not! |
| 16:21.56 | thewanderer1 | that's what we have Wishlist for :P |
| 16:22.36 | fxiny | seen ? he printed only the vim factoid . emacs factoid can be printed only in #flood |
| 16:23.18 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 16:23.18 | dpkg | joe blows! |
| 16:23.25 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 16:23.32 | thewanderer1 | there are some mythoids about emacs besides factoids, I suppose |
| 16:23.47 | DipSwitch | nano ftw! :+ |
| 16:23.54 | d1b | DipSwitch: switch |
| 16:24.10 | jordanm | nano doesn't even get a say in the editor discussion. come back when you can cut and paste :) |
| 16:24.23 | d1b | jordanm: oh it so can! |
| 16:24.27 | DipSwitch | ^K + ^U |
| 16:24.31 | DipSwitch | is cut and paste |
| 16:24.34 | d1b | control K + .. oh DipSwitch beats me to it :P |
| 16:24.35 | DipSwitch | only whole lines though :p |
| 16:24.42 | d1b | DipSwitch: just use large lines! |
| 16:24.45 | fxiny | nano ? wt4x ! nano editor or nano banana pm are both useless |
| 16:24.54 | PinkFreud | and forget search and replace in nano :) |
| 16:24.54 | DipSwitch | hehe |
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| 16:25.03 | d1b | PinkFreud: control w control r iirc |
| 16:25.18 | thewanderer1 | real men do it with echo and set |
| 16:25.22 | d1b | %s/nano/vim/ |
| 16:25.25 | ravenbird | d1b: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:25.26 | thewanderer1 | s/set/sed/ - autotematic |
| 16:25.32 | DipSwitch | or cat > a.out << EOF |
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| 16:25.41 | PinkFreud | d1b: unh huh |
| 16:25.46 | fxiny | hahah |
| 16:26.06 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.14 | DipSwitch | :p |
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| 16:26.42 | d1b | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
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| 16:27.04 | thewanderer1 | yea lol |
| 16:27.17 | jordanm | M-x butterfly really was added to emacs, as an easter egg |
| 16:27.30 | d1b | really? |
| 16:27.35 | d1b | what does it do :) ? |
| 16:27.37 | DipSwitch | lol xD |
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| 16:27.44 | james0 | list |
| 16:27.46 | james0 | mt |
| 16:27.57 | jordanm | d1b: some ascii animation |
| 16:27.57 | jan__ | i think i changed it |
| 16:27.58 | jan__ | >( |
| 16:28.03 | jan__ | :) |
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| 16:28.41 | jan__ | but i#ve another question: is there an easy way to disable my webcam? it is buil-in an permanently on |
| 16:28.43 | AmberJ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/corbis_fraud/ :P |
| 16:28.44 | fxiny | what butter ? M-x nutellafly |
| 16:29.01 | jan__ | i would like to switch it out |
| 16:29.12 | DipSwitch | jan__ blacklist the driver? |
| 16:29.35 | jan__ | DipSwitch: can i easyly switch it on again? |
| 16:29.50 | DipSwitch | you can do it 2 ways |
| 16:29.54 | DipSwitch | as far as i know |
| 16:29.55 | jordanm | d1b: "Use butterflies to flip the desired bit on the drive platter." |
| 16:29.59 | DipSwitch | blacklist the module |
| 16:30.07 | DipSwitch | and unblacklist |
| 16:30.12 | DipSwitch | when you need it |
| 16:30.19 | DipSwitch | or run a command as root at boot |
| 16:30.32 | DipSwitch | lsusb -v -s xxx:xx.xx |
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| 16:30.52 | DipSwitch | there you see driver: .... |
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| 16:32.23 | jan__ | DipSwitch: is there a list of commands which are run at boot? i would like to automaticly reduce the backlight |
| 16:33.29 | DipSwitch | !tell jan__ init.rd |
| 16:33.45 | DipSwitch | !tell jan__ about init.rd |
| 16:33.55 | DipSwitch | !tell jan__ about init.d |
| 16:34.05 | jordanm | !tell DipSwitch about enter |
| 16:34.19 | jan__ | thanks |
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| 16:34.38 | DipSwitch | i don't now dpkg very well: p |
| 16:34.48 | DipSwitch | but srry ^.^ |
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| 16:38.09 | jan__ | how can i find out which module is the webcam? |
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| 16:39.54 | DipSwitch | type: lsusb |
| 16:40.13 | DipSwitch | there you see somthing like Bus: xxx Device: xxx |
| 16:40.31 | DipSwitch | then you type lsusb -v -s xxx:xxx |
| 16:40.40 | DipSwitch | there you see something like Driver: .... |
| 16:40.53 | DipSwitch | then you type sudo modprobe -r <driver> |
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| 16:41.20 | jordanm | DipSwitch: you should not assume users have installed and configured sudo |
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| 16:41.48 | DipSwitch | su -c modprobe -r <driver> |
| 16:41.50 | jan__ | so i've to know the bus and the device? |
| 16:41.51 | d1b | !sudo |
| 16:41.51 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 16:42.08 | DipSwitch | jan__ you can see that via: lsusb |
| 16:42.18 | DipSwitch | assuming your webcam is an usb device |
| 16:42.21 | DipSwitch | which most are |
| 16:42.39 | jordanm | in case this has not been brought up... |
| 16:42.40 | jordanm | !webcam |
| 16:42.40 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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| 16:42.49 | jan__ | DipSwitch: there are 9 entries |
| 16:43.41 | jan__ | but there are only 2 devieces |
| 16:44.03 | jan__ | does that mean, that all port with device 1 are used by one device? |
| 16:45.01 | DipSwitch | device > 001 most of the times mean it's a device connected to that bus |
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| 16:47.28 | darksk1ez | has vt-switching from X been disabled? |
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| 16:49.56 | jhutchins_lt | darksk1ez: I don't know, has it? |
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| 16:50.13 | lucas^ | how would I be able to tell whether the kernel running on this RoBoard supports _POSIX_PRIORITIZED_IO? |
| 16:50.23 | d1b | check config |
| 16:51.00 | lucas^ | I didn't build the kernel and all I can find in here are some files of the form linu-image-2.6.29.*.Custom_i386.deb |
| 16:51.21 | d1b | yay....? |
| 16:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | lucas^: look for the original .config file used to build it. It should be included in the .deb, and should be installed to /boot |
| 16:52.09 | jhutchins_lt | lucas^: Remember that the working file is hidden by default. |
| 16:52.25 | lucas^ | here it is. thanks a bunch |
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| 16:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | darksk1ez: Well? |
| 16:55.24 | darksk1ez | jhutchins_lt: no idea, its just not working for me right now |
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| 16:56.09 | jhutchins_lt | darksk1ez: What release are you on? |
| 16:56.15 | darksk1ez | jhujhiti: sid |
| 16:56.42 | jan__ | hmm...i can#t find my webcam-module :D |
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| 16:59.18 | jhutchins_lt | jan__: Have you identified the hardware? |
| 16:59.39 | jhutchins_lt | jan__: Contrary to earlier advice, if it's not working yet lspci won't show the driver. |
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| 17:01.37 | datacrusher | hello everyone! |
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| 17:02.29 | datacrusher | im migrating a samba file server, and users that have accounts on this machine are on a certain group, and have his personal folder on /home. how is the best way to move the files from this operational server to the new one? a simple scp copy? wont it mess all my home folder? |
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| 17:02.50 | datacrusher | if i later associate the right permissios it will work? must i create the users first, and them copy the content? |
| 17:03.08 | tharkun | datacrusher: rsync |
| 17:03.15 | datacrusher | hm |
| 17:03.17 | datacrusher | and about the users? |
| 17:03.24 | tharkun | create them first |
| 17:03.39 | tharkun | try that the uid are the same to avoid further conflicts |
| 17:03.59 | datacrusher | hm... harsh one. can i export / import users? |
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| 17:05.42 | tharkun | If i were to migrate all the system users from one server to an other i would copy /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow ymmv |
| 17:05.56 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: I've done it by carefully editing and transferring a portion of /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
| 17:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: Also by listing /home to a file and editing that, then using it in loops to create the directories. |
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| 17:07.35 | jhutchins_lt | You can also ls /home > file and pipe it to useradd. |
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| 17:07.50 | fxiny | tree -f ? |
| 17:08.03 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: xargs ? |
| 17:08.28 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Haven't picked up that habit so far. |
| 17:08.40 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: doesn't rsync use numerical uid to assign ownership? |
| 17:09.14 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: -a preserves numerical uid/gid. |
| 17:09.36 | datacrusher | nice jhutchins |
| 17:10.02 | datacrusher | hmmm -a will do the trick |
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| 17:10.44 | jhutchins_lt | Don't forget /etc/shadow |
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| 17:15.41 | Xat` | at the logon, i have a keybord in qwerty for user and in azerty for password. Can you help me ? |
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| 17:17.25 | Rapp | hi everybody! |
| 17:17.56 | malvarma | Yo! |
| 17:18.09 | Rapp | i am trying to convert some RPMs to .deb with alien. i run "alien somerpm.rpm", and it writes some nice output, no error message, and... nothing happened! i did a find / -name *.deb and the package is not to be found anywhere! |
| 17:18.13 | Rapp | what might go wrong here? |
| 17:19.12 | jelly-home | Rapp: it ought to be right there in the current working directory |
| 17:19.46 | Rapp | jelly-home: that's what i thought, too. but it's not |
| 17:19.50 | Rapp | it is nowehere to be found |
| 17:20.06 | Rapp | i even ran alien --veryverbose, but there are no error messages in that flood of text |
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| 17:23.01 | DipSwitch | sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss8555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555 |
| 17:23.04 | DipSwitch | yh |
| 17:23.07 | DipSwitch | 99999 |
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| 17:23.40 | fxiny | DipSwitch: vim ? :P |
| 17:23.57 | Rapp | fxiny: i rather guess, he fell face down on his keyboard |
| 17:24.03 | simonrvn | s,Switch,, |
| 17:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | DipSwitch: Cat got your keyboard? |
| 17:24.33 | bewest | I've been having an issue with my /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf file and the #script "/etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script"; line |
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| 17:24.56 | bewest | I've arranged the exit and enter scripts so that only the debug script has an executable flag |
| 17:25.17 | jhutchins_lt | Rapp: Probably need to look at the alien man page to figure out what's happening. That and READ that "nice output". |
| 17:25.22 | malvarma | So I encountered that bug where X crashes every time you switch user. |
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| 17:25.35 | malvarma | I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:25.39 | malvarma | which made things worse. |
| 17:25.47 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, Intel graphics? |
| 17:25.53 | bewest | when I disable/renable the networking, I can see in the log that I am leased a new ip addresss but after a long timeout NetworkManager apparently determines to kill the whole thing |
| 17:25.55 | malvarma | thewanderer1, bingo. |
| 17:26.02 | malvarma | Do you know of a good fix? |
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| 17:26.09 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, yes, don't worry |
| 17:26.12 | thewanderer1 | that's the fix :P |
| 17:26.14 | malvarma | thewanderer1, btw thank you before when you helped me install |
| 17:26.20 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 17:26.20 | fxiny | Rapp: btw , why rpm ? isn't debian providing a deb ? |
| 17:26.24 | Rapp | jhutchins_lt: will try to read it once more, yeah. :) i have a suspicion. the packages are actually for i386 (damn you IBM!), my host is x86_64 |
| 17:26.28 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, is it stable? with KDE perhaps? |
| 17:26.36 | Rapp | fxiny: no, ibm is not providing debian packages :-D |
| 17:26.54 | malvarma | I didn't (and won't) try KDE. I'm running gnome. |
| 17:27.01 | malvarma | It's stable, until I switch user |
| 17:27.06 | malvarma | and then the screen goes blank. |
| 17:27.16 | thewanderer1 | oh well. and GDM resets or what? |
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| 17:27.19 | quiritius | Xat`: noot sure it is a correct way but you can copy any *.desktop file from /usr/share/applications into /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow. the file you need is keyboard.desktop. the app will popup on top of login window. afterwords you need remove that file. |
| 17:27.22 | malvarma | It's a problem because I share this computer. |
| 17:27.32 | malvarma | thewanderer1, the whole computer resets. |
| 17:27.46 | magicCarpet | hi, what does "NU version" of a package mean? |
| 17:27.58 | fxiny | Rapp: but they like debian packaging system very much : i read it long ago on the ibm site |
| 17:28.03 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, I've never seen this one before, sounds like a tricky one |
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| 17:28.12 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, have you tried this without KMS? |
| 17:28.38 | thewanderer1 | or is KMS not available? |
| 17:28.48 | malvarma | kernel mode testing? |
| 17:28.51 | malvarma | Setting* |
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| 17:29.06 | malvarma | Never tried that actually. |
| 17:29.15 | thewanderer1 | so I assume it's off? |
| 17:29.22 | thewanderer1 | well then |
| 17:29.25 | malvarma | well im not sure |
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| 17:29.36 | fxiny | Rapp: here it is again , note the "elegant" -> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 17:29.42 | malvarma | I think xserver-xorg-video-intel has it on by default. |
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| 17:29.54 | datacrusher | jhutchins_lt, when you say carefully editing and trasnfering portino of passwd and group, can i copy ONLY the lines for the users and groups ill add and voilá? |
| 17:29.56 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, try booting the kernel with "nomodeset" option |
| 17:30.10 | malvarma | Good idea. Thanks. I'll try it out. |
| 17:30.16 | Rapp | fxiny: haha, nice one! :-D ibm is so big, not everybody there knows the elegant solution of .deb ... so please file a complaint to the tivoli storage manager team :) |
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| 17:34.20 | fxiny | Rapp: nice indeed , since "Date: 10 Jul 2003" |
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| 17:42.28 | Optic | so, libgtk1.2 is removed from squeeze |
| 17:42.40 | Optic | what do I do if I have an application that requires it? |
| 17:44.30 | thrashold | Optic: What is this application, and what is it for? |
| 17:44.50 | Optic | This is Flash 7 binary plugin |
| 17:44.54 | Optic | we have a special app that uses it |
| 17:45.22 | Optic | it doesn't work with libgtk2 |
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| 17:45.55 | lxsameer | where can i found the boot log ? |
| 17:46.01 | thrashold | Why isn't it working with newer flash versions? Why does it require flash? |
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| 17:46.41 | Optic | Because it's an application developed around flash, and has dependencies on Flash 7 |
| 17:46.49 | Optic | it's an unfortunate situation |
| 17:46.59 | fxiny | lxsameer: read /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 17:47.20 | dondelelcaro | Optic: install the version from stable, or fix your application |
| 17:47.54 | dondelelcaro | (gtk 1.2 has been on it's way to being totally deprecated for years now) |
| 17:47.57 | lxsameer | fxiny: thanks |
| 17:47.58 | Optic | don: I can't fix flash 7. |
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| 17:48.06 | dondelelcaro | Optic: surely you can |
| 17:48.29 | fxiny | lxsameer: np |
| 17:48.33 | Optic | hmm |
| 17:48.57 | Optic | why was libgtk1.2 removed? |
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| 17:49.04 | Optic | does it have a major security problem or something? |
| 17:49.10 | dondelelcaro | Optic: because nothing in Debian uses it and it's deprecated and no longer maintained |
| 17:49.31 | dondelelcaro | Optic: any software that uses it still hasn't been seriously worked on in close to a decade |
| 17:49.52 | Optic | right, but it's not a safe assumption to say such software is no longer in use |
| 17:49.57 | dondelelcaro | Optic: if you want it, you can still install it from lenny, but Debian doesn't support it at all |
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| 17:50.24 | oshim | why i am getting this error on log mycentos kernel: audit(1279820820.042:6): avc: denied { search } for pid=1759 comm="slapd" name="saslauthd" dev=dm-0 ino=2907918 scontext=root:system_r:slapd_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:saslauthd_var_run_t:s0 tclass=dir |
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| 17:51.17 | dondelelcaro | Optic: that's fine; we don't have the resources to support all of the possible random library versions that binary-only software wants to use |
| 17:51.29 | Optic | don: cool, thanks. You might want to reconsider pulling libs that have been available for a long time; not everyone who uses Debian is an OS or app developer, and many would like their software to continue working after a Debian upgrade |
| 17:51.41 | dondelelcaro | Optic: it'll continue working after an upgrade |
| 17:51.49 | dondelelcaro | Optic: we don't remove libraries from your system |
| 17:51.57 | dondelelcaro | it just won't work on new installs |
| 17:52.13 | Optic | cool, then it's likely that Lenny will be the last version of debian we use :) |
| 17:52.22 | oshim | any help for me? |
| 17:52.23 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 17:52.29 | abrotman | oshim: shouldn't you ask #centos about CentOS? |
| 17:52.39 | dondelelcaro | Optic: you can always install it from lenny even if you're running newer versions |
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| 17:52.54 | lxsameer | does parallel boot in enabled in testing ? |
| 17:52.55 | dondelelcaro | Optic: but you really should fix whatever application this is that is apparently important that runs on flash 7 for which you don't have source code |
| 17:53.02 | abrotman | lxsameer: yes |
| 17:53.02 | dondelelcaro | IronViper: it can be |
| 17:53.04 | oshim | ohh ya |
| 17:53.06 | oshim | sorry |
| 17:53.25 | dondelelcaro | s/IronViper/lxsameer/ |
| 17:53.27 | Optic | the world runs on many important applications for which we don't have source code -- it's an unfortunate reality |
| 17:53.48 | dondelelcaro | Optic: sure, but that's why you have vendors agreements which force your vendor to do things like rebuild them if necessary |
| 17:54.01 | lxsameer | abrotman: abrotman how can i found out about it , i think my box still boot as the old way |
| 17:54.03 | abrotman | and flash7 probably has a few dozen security issues at this point |
| 17:54.18 | Optic | abrotman: only if it's displaying untrusted content |
| 17:54.35 | abrotman | it's on the PC, it has internet access? |
| 17:55.07 | Optic | it doesn't really have internet access per se |
| 17:55.27 | fxiny | Optic: i have 5 old packages on hold , some are from sarge |
| 17:55.33 | Optic | anyways, I will try to install libgtk1.2 from Lenny, thanks :) |
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| 17:56.13 | fxiny | i can still use 'em after any dist-upgrade |
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| 17:56.56 | wall3 | I want to have crond run a program that can connect to an imap account and clear out a mailbox (delete every message in a folder). What program would be well suited for this? |
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| 17:57.44 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: Sorry, was off mowing the lawn. Yes, just the users portion, screening carefully for pseudo-users installed by software. |
| 17:58.02 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: Usually normal users will be above 500 or above 1000 depending on the original system. |
| 17:58.25 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: You may need to adjust that with a search-and-replace so that the numbers make sense and don't overlap on the new system. |
| 17:58.50 | jhutchins_lt | wall3: fetchmail would probably do what you want. |
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| 18:00.02 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: Lots of companies scrimp on things like ongoing maintenance agreements (because lots of companies scalp on them). |
| 18:00.24 | fxiny | wall3: i use mailfilter . i think you should check imapfilter |
| 18:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | Optic: One solution is to hire your own developers and build your own ap, then you own the code. |
| 18:01.33 | Optic | jhutchins: it's easier to just use an OS that doesn't remove libgtk1.2, in the long run |
| 18:02.18 | thrashold | Optic: Slackware 7? |
| 18:02.24 | jhutchins_lt | Optic: Build your own packages for the obsolete stuff; use ap pinning, etc. |
| 18:02.45 | Optic | yeah |
| 18:02.53 | Optic | that's a good suggestion :) |
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| 18:03.43 | Optic | I guess there's no reason why we can't build libgtk1.2 from sources or build our own package |
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| 18:06.47 | fxiny | your own , why ? i used a certain swatch version before debian packaged it , then i found it packaged and i put it on hold |
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| 18:07.23 | craigevil | you can get libgtk1.2 1.2.10-18.1 from a Mepis repo |
| 18:07.30 | thewanderer1 | !dpkg |
| 18:07.31 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 18:07.39 | thewanderer1 | !dpkgbot |
| 18:07.39 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 18:07.42 | dondelelcaro | craigevil: that's the same version that we distirbute in lenny |
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| 18:08.04 | craigevil | :) makes sense since mepis is based on lenny |
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| 18:09.08 | thewanderer1 | alright, confess, who wrote dpkg? |
| 18:09.09 | dondelelcaro | you'll be hard pressed to find a distribution which isn't phasing out libgtk1.2; that code has been EOLed since some time in 2000 |
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| 18:09.18 | datacrusher | jhutchins_lt, well, i was wondering here, i have about 23 users, and most of them left the team for a while now. since i got only 11 people now accessing, would it do that much harm if i create this 11 users by hand, and copy them home/user files by hand? |
| 18:09.22 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: what's your question? |
| 18:09.36 | JyZyXEL | !ipsec |
| 18:09.36 | dpkg | Internet Protocol Security (IPsec) is a protocol suite for securing Internet Protocol communications by authenticating and encrypting each IP packet of a data stream. Even supported by Windows 2000 and later, so you should know what it is. Ask me about <openswan>. |
| 18:09.53 | thewanderer1 | I can't find out the sources for dpkg bot |
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| 18:12.22 | fxiny | need adding a 4th asimov law : bot must not swallow sources :P |
| 18:12.40 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: infobot.sourceforge.net |
| 18:12.48 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
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| 18:14.35 | malvarma | thewanderer1, According to this page, I probably don't have KMS enabled |
| 18:14.37 | malvarma | http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/11/02/howto-enabling-kernel-mode-setting-kms-in-debian-linux-kernel/ |
| 18:14.54 | malvarma | Says you need intel driver 2.5.0 or later |
| 18:14.59 | malvarma | Lenny has 2.3 |
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| 18:15.23 | malvarma | If I wanted to upgrade to squeeze to try the latest intel drivers, is that difficult? |
| 18:15.24 | danols | hi all I have enable stable and unstable packages but aptitude still shows me an old version of a packgage - i'm new to some it's prob a usage issue |
| 18:15.30 | danols | can someone help? |
| 18:15.34 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, no, but you have to be careful |
| 18:15.38 | rfranknj | is there any way to do fg / bg but accross terminals? for example, bg something on one term, then fg it on a different term? |
| 18:15.39 | danols | google has been fruitless |
| 18:15.48 | malvarma | what should I watch for? |
| 18:15.53 | thewanderer1 | rfranknj, it's called "screen" |
| 18:15.59 | thewanderer1 | malvarma, for everything apt and dpkg tells you |
| 18:16.05 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: i already make heavy use of screen actually |
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| 18:16.20 | malvarma | thewanderer1, ok. I guess I'll see about upgrading. |
| 18:16.31 | simonrvn | you can run a recent kernel on lenny.... |
| 18:16.47 | rfranknj | thewanderer1: i have an app oustide of my screen session (irssi) that i want to move into my screen session without exiting it and restarting it ;P |
| 18:16.49 | simonrvn | rfranknj: screen |
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| 18:16.59 | simonrvn | no can do |
| 18:17.04 | rfranknj | yeah i didn't think so |
| 18:17.27 | simonrvn | only if you had nohup'd it or similar thingy |
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| 18:20.11 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.26 | simonrvn | IYHTADDI |
| 18:21.08 | danols | simonrvn: ? |
| 18:21.17 | jordanm | danols: aptitude search '~Aunstable | ~Asid' |
| 18:21.41 | simonrvn | if you have to ask don't do it. oh never mind.. searching. |
| 18:21.54 | danols | jordanm: i thought I can just use the GUI |
| 18:22.03 | jordanm | danols: the aptitude gui? |
| 18:22.13 | danols | so it would show package1.1 package1.2 package.13 etc |
| 18:22.20 | danols | jordanm: yeah the ncurses gui |
| 18:22.33 | simonrvn | tui, if anything |
| 18:22.33 | jordanm | s/gui/tui/ |
| 18:22.47 | danols | tui ? |
| 18:22.52 | simonrvn | text |
| 18:22.54 | jordanm | danols: not sure, don't use the curses interface |
| 18:23.01 | danols | thanks |
| 18:23.15 | danols | jordanm: a bit of tui is nice |
| 18:23.25 | simonrvn | go on a package, then hit enter, it'll show you all available version |
| 18:23.29 | simonrvn | s |
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| 18:23.37 | jordanm | danols: I meant to say "I don't use it". i was not trying to recommend that you don't |
| 18:24.09 | simonrvn | jordanm: this is where it's ok to say "I/i" :P |
| 18:24.20 | danols | simonrvn: OMG |
| 18:24.22 | danols | thanks man |
| 18:24.35 | danols | why didn't I just try it :) |
| 18:25.01 | simonrvn | been using the aptitude tui for ages, before the cli worked properly, and that was years ago. |
| 18:25.12 | danols | simonrvn: now how can I select the new version ? |
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| 18:25.29 | simonrvn | you have arrow keys, right? ;) |
| 18:25.39 | danols | LOL |
| 18:25.50 | danols | i had the focus on this window and not my terminal |
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| 18:25.51 | danols | thanks |
| 18:26.05 | simonrvn | focus-follows-mouse \o/ |
| 18:26.11 | hello | hello |
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| 18:26.15 | hello | : ) |
| 18:26.18 | simonrvn | hello: hello |
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| 18:26.27 | fxiny | dselect is faster |
| 18:26.28 | danols | hello: hello |
| 18:26.31 | hello | i getting error opening pages |
| 18:26.52 | simonrvn | it's also a large PITA |
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| 18:27.08 | hello | webpages afte i configure ssl for https with self certification |
| 18:27.18 | fxiny | not in my rusty PII |
| 18:27.27 | hello | few webpages are opening |
| 18:27.27 | danols | simonrvn: what's PITA stand for? |
| 18:27.33 | hello | other r not erro 505 |
| 18:27.44 | jordanm | simonrvn: pain in the ass... something easliy googled |
| 18:27.47 | simonrvn | ask the dpkg bot |
| 18:28.00 | simonrvn | ETAB jordanm ;) |
| 18:28.01 | fxiny | pain in the airbag |
| 18:28.01 | jordanm | simonrvn: sorry, wrong tell |
| 18:28.23 | simonrvn | 505? |
| 18:28.32 | hello | 500 Error - Web Site is Temporarily Unavailable |
| 18:28.32 | hello | The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. |
| 18:28.40 | hello | w3school |
| 18:28.55 | simonrvn | hello: 5xx are server errors. you need to look at your configuration. |
| 18:28.59 | rking | So, I now have several computers in my house, and I want all my family's logins to be shared along with as much of their data as is reasonable. I want it to be synced tightly but it is more important that everything work if they're disconnected for some reason. I was thinking LDAP and rsync. Any opinions? |
| 18:29.20 | danols | man debian package management is awesome! |
| 18:29.38 | simonrvn | rking: yes ldap is a good choice imo/ime |
| 18:29.46 | hello | error in iceweasel console is formateURLPref Couldnt get pref.App vendor url |
| 18:30.00 | rking | simonrvn: Cool. I know it's been around for a while, I didn't know if that meant venerable or dusty. |
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| 18:30.18 | simonrvn | stop looking at the client, hello. it's a server issue. try asking in #httpd |
| 18:30.25 | jhutchins | hello: Did you have a question about Debian? |
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| 18:30.35 | hello | um hehe |
| 18:30.36 | fxiny | hello: lynx -head -dump http://xxx |
| 18:30.38 | simonrvn | venerable, it's hardly dusty. |
| 18:30.46 | thewanderer1 | rking, if you need the disconnected operation, then only rsync |
| 18:30.48 | thewanderer1 | no LDAP |
| 18:31.08 | simonrvn | ldap can do disconnected ;) |
| 18:31.10 | rking | thewanderer1: LDAP doesn't have a failover mode? |
| 18:31.16 | rking | simonrvn: Good. |
| 18:31.22 | simonrvn | with a bit of help |
| 18:31.42 | jhutchins | Pam can also handle fallthrough. |
| 18:31.46 | simonrvn | ok, gtg soon. afk. |
| 18:31.54 | simonrvn | yes, via pam, and nss. |
| 18:32.03 | thewanderer1 | yes, but no point in setting up LDAP if you want fall-through |
| 18:32.11 | rking | For the data sharing I figured trying to sync all of /home would cause a million conflicts, so I was thinking about just making everyone have ~/share/ and then managing the share-able stuff manually with symlinks. |
| 18:32.15 | thewanderer1 | you have to sync passwd anyway |
| 18:32.27 | thewanderer1 | rking, for that, you have NFS... |
| 18:32.34 | thewanderer1 | just mount homes over NFS |
| 18:32.54 | rking | thewanderer1: 95% of the time they'll be connected. I just don't want it to be where I take my laptop somewhere and have to log in some goofy way just to get at my stuff. |
| 18:33.09 | rking | thewanderer1: That sounds very much like it wouldn't work if they become disconnected. |
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| 18:33.27 | thewanderer1 | rking, true |
| 18:33.44 | thewanderer1 | rking, but syncing files is not viable with home networks |
| 18:33.51 | thewanderer1 | not at FastEthernet |
| 18:34.15 | rking | thewanderer1: I've done NFS home dirs, and I mostly liked it, but remembered thinking it would be better to do it where /home/$USER itself was a regular dir with NFS slightly deemphasized |
| 18:34.40 | tjg1959 | Is an OpenSSH-lpk available for debian? |
| 18:34.43 | thewanderer1 | rking, then you won't be location-indepedent |
| 18:35.01 | rking | thewanderer1: Why not? rsync + 5 minute cron jobs. |
| 18:35.12 | thewanderer1 | yes, but you duplicate loads of data |
| 18:35.27 | thewanderer1 | you have the same data on lots of disks |
| 18:35.28 | fxiny | unison |
| 18:35.34 | thewanderer1 | I second unison |
| 18:35.58 | thewanderer1 | unison is good for mesh topologies |
| 18:36.09 | rking | thewanderer1: Yeah, everything we put in ~/share will be duplicated... but that's practically true already with the non-synced version. Duplicate (and diverging) config files, documents, etc. |
| 18:36.15 | rking | I'll look at unison |
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| 18:39.34 | thewanderer1 | other than that, life is so much easier with pendrives |
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| 18:39.48 | G0di- | :D |
| 18:40.09 | thewanderer1 | unless you have a gigabit backbone |
| 18:40.11 | rking | thewanderer1: I can't help but feel like pen drives are a major step backward. I still believe the Network is the Computer |
| 18:41.14 | thewanderer1 | I went with a home server |
| 18:41.24 | thewanderer1 | NFS and that's it |
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| 18:42.07 | G0di- | i need help. i only speak spanish.. |
| 18:42.24 | rking | Ouch. |
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| 18:47.41 | Jemt | Hello! I have a folder with hundreds of files and subfolders. Is it possible to change permissions on all files and folder to 644, and afterwards set +x on all folders, and only folders ? |
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| 18:47.48 | Neofate2 | Hello? |
| 18:47.53 | thewanderer1 | Jemt, yes |
| 18:48.02 | Jemt | chmod 644 * -R should take care of the first - but how do I chmod only folders recursively ? |
| 18:48.24 | PinkFreud | Jemt: find /path -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod +x |
| 18:48.37 | thewanderer1 | PinkFreud, ur doin it rong |
| 18:48.50 | PinkFreud | er. |
| 18:48.51 | Jemt | Thanks PinkFreud :) |
| 18:48.51 | jordanm | Jemt: find /foo -type d -exec chmod ugo+x '{}' \; |
| 18:48.54 | Jemt | Oh, it's wrong ? |
| 18:48.55 | Neofate2 | Nice.. people! |
| 18:49.01 | PinkFreud | thewanderer1: howso? |
| 18:49.08 | thewanderer1 | I was thinking about -exec |
| 18:49.22 | thewanderer1 | that was just one Useless Use of Pipe |
| 18:49.26 | Jemt | jordanm: Thanks, I like yours better - I know "find" :) |
| 18:49.27 | PinkFreud | thewanderer1: -exec can be problematic sometimes. I typically prefer to pipe to xargs. |
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| 18:49.54 | PinkFreud | Jemt: both should work. I just use xargs to process arguments in place of find's -exec |
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| 18:50.05 | Jemt | I see - super, thanks guys |
| 18:50.07 | Neofate2 | Ok.. I am a noob, but not a noob to computers at all.. just to nix environment. I am running debian and using terminal for as much as I can bare to 'learn'. however I got stuck on not having the command |
| 18:50.07 | Neofate2 | 'make-jpkg' -- I've added recommended things to my source.list,.. I'm tried installing JDK and JRE .. but the command still doesn't exist. Any help? |
| 18:50.30 | jordanm | ,file make-jpkg |
| 18:50.35 | judd | make-jpkg in lenny/i386: java-package: usr/bin/make-jpkg |
| 18:50.45 | jordanm | Neofate2: you need java-package |
| 18:50.49 | jordanm | !tell Neofate2 about apt-file |
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| 18:51.16 | jordanm | Neofate2: also, note update-java-alternatives, which sets your default java environment |
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| 18:52.23 | Neofate2 | I did an apt-get install jdk and jre6 .. but had some errors on the install |
| 18:52.36 | Neofate2 | maybe my sources are outdated/bad.. |
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| 18:53.31 | jordanm | Neofate2: pastebin the full output along with the command given |
| 18:53.48 | jordanm | Neofate2: which jdk and jre? sun? |
| 18:54.08 | Neofate2 | yes. |
| 18:54.18 | jordanm | Neofate2: alright, lets see the pastebin |
| 18:54.23 | Neofate2 | I'll have to man type it.. I'm on here with another comp.. |
| 18:54.30 | Neofate2 | what is pastebin? just copy and paste? |
| 18:54.31 | jordanm | !wgetpaste |
| 18:54.31 | dpkg | wgetpaste is a cli application for sending text to a pastebin. the only depends are bash and wget. install and use: wget http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-2.17.tar.bz2 && tar xvjf wgetpaste-2.17.tar.bz2 && cd wgetpaste-2.17 you can then use it with ./wgetpaste; e.g. dmesg | ./wgetpaste, or it is also safe to copy to /usr/local/bin for easier use |
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| 18:55.49 | jordanm | Neofate2: you paste to a website, and then give us the link |
| 18:55.53 | Neofate2 | well I just did the aptitude you sent.. and it says rsoluving dependencies.. then prompting "the following packages have unmet dependencies: lipapt-pkg-perl.. perlapip-5.8..7 and libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
| 18:55.53 | Neofate2 | (virtual packages) |
| 18:56.01 | Neofate2 | hrmm I see.. |
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| 18:56.58 | BigC | can somebody give me a link to the latest unstable/dev debian release? |
| 18:57.28 | jordanm | BigC: this is a "if you have to ask, you shouldn't" question |
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| 18:58.00 | Neofate2 | http://pastebin.com/f4M5LNdP |
| 18:58.06 | Neofate2 | never used pastebin.. sorry so slow |
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| 18:58.39 | moldovean | rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
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| 18:59.18 | jordanm | yes, a big "wtf" goes there... |
| 18:59.36 | moldovean | Unpacking sun-java6-jre (from .../sun-java6-jre_6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1_all.deb) .. |
| 18:59.42 | jordanm | Neofate2: when you get that error, your *don't* rm the lock file. you stop whatever process is using the lockfile |
| 18:59.57 | eSa| | http://wallpapers.free-review.net/wallpapers/33i/Smile.jpg |
| 18:59.57 | moldovean | Neofate2, ask #ubuntu |
| 19:00.12 | jordanm | moldovean: thanks, I hadn't even noticed |
| 19:00.14 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 19:00.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:00.27 | Neofate2 | yeah I've been removing the locks.. just trying to hack through.. |
| 19:00.45 | jordanm | Neofate2: just trying to toast your machine... which is not supported here |
| 19:01.07 | thewanderer1 | yes, for toasters try #netbsd |
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| 19:01.20 | Neofate2 | No, just new. Not trying to toast. But go to ubuntu for debian? |
| 19:01.45 | Neofate2 | I really am not trying to break the 'code of morals/ethics' etc here. |
| 19:02.03 | jordanm | Neofate2: your log shows that you are either a) running ubuntu b) have mixed debian and ubuntu |
| 19:02.15 | jordanm | Neofate2: if the case is the later, I doubt either channels will support it |
| 19:02.39 | Neofate2 | You are probably getting that because I pasted a source file recommended on the internet to help with all this. It has archive.ubuntu.com for the listings |
| 19:02.48 | Neofate2 | Maybe helping with proper source file would help this? |
| 19:03.14 | jordanm | Neofate2: the package you were installing was called sun-java6-jre_6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1_all.deb |
| 19:03.29 | Neofate2 | Yes.. look at my source file.. sec |
| 19:03.31 | jordanm | Neofate2: that is not debian's java |
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| 19:04.08 | BigC | jordanm: is it this. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 19:05.19 | jordanm | BigC: no, they do not make installers for unstable AFAIK |
| 19:05.36 | jordanm | those are testing installers, and could potentially be broken |
| 19:06.12 | BigC | so, should I go with just the stable, then. |
| 19:06.39 | jordanm | BigC: yes, is there are particular reason you want to run sid? |
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| 19:07.55 | Neofate2 | my sources -- http://pastebin.com/aKu6zXgr |
| 19:08.19 | BigC | not anything that comes to mind, atm, but I do like to have the latest everything, like the kernel, and other programs, but I guess I could update that manually |
| 19:08.29 | jordanm | Neofate2: there is _nothing_ debian in there |
| 19:08.40 | jordanm | Neofate2: you are only running an out-of-date version of ubuntu |
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| 19:08.47 | jordanm | Neofate2: please go elsewhere |
| 19:08.49 | abrotman | jordanm: last line |
| 19:08.57 | abrotman | it's still not Debian anymore |
| 19:09.16 | jordanm | abrotman: thanks, I did totally missed that... and I even double checked before getting on his case! |
| 19:09.29 | abrotman | he should still ask #ubuntu |
| 19:09.55 | jordanm | !tell BigC about moving target |
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| 19:09.56 | Neofate2 | This http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ is the install -- it is 5.05 AMD64 -- I chose all options available in the install. |
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| 19:10.11 | abrotman | Neofate2: what does `uname -r` say? |
| 19:10.12 | malvarma | Oh damn.... |
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| 19:10.14 | Neofate2 | That is out of date? |
| 19:10.33 | Neofate2 | 2.6.26.2=amd64 |
| 19:10.38 | jordanm | Neofate2: the one debian line you *do* have, is version 4, not 5.0.5 |
| 19:10.47 | malvarma | Updating from lenny to squeeze. Something came up about grub, then said "confirm this is your linnux command" but nothing was in the box! |
| 19:10.52 | malvarma | Am i screwed? |
| 19:11.14 | Neofate2 | So I got an outdated relase from debian's website? |
| 19:11.22 | Neofate2 | I did the net install because I figured it would be fresh. |
| 19:11.23 | jordanm | malvarma: no, that can be blank |
| 19:11.27 | malvarma | Oh phew |
| 19:11.35 | abrotman | Neofate2: then why do your sources.list have ubuntu ? |
| 19:11.42 | malvarma | thanks for putting my mind at ease. |
| 19:11.55 | malvarma | I worry too much. |
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| 19:12.12 | Neofate2 | because I changed them in a vain attempt to get things to work -- It is a random list off the internet that people said was 'good'. That is why I asked maybe I should change the sources.list -- |
| 19:12.21 | moldovean | Neofate2, last line "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib" |
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| 19:12.26 | Neofate2 | The sources.list is completely different. The original had 2-3 lines |
| 19:12.43 | Neofate2 | I manually added that line as well , that wasn't in release. |
| 19:12.53 | abrotman | that was dumb |
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| 19:14.43 | jordanm | abrotman: did you also see where rm'ed the dpkg lockfile? :) |
| 19:15.27 | jordanm | Neofate2: IMO, reinstall now, and don't be so inclined to do "hacking" on the OS |
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| 19:16.10 | jordanm | using the OS does not require manually deleting files, or mixing with another distro. |
| 19:16.25 | jordanm | err manually deleting system files |
| 19:18.33 | Neofate2 | I really am not trying to *hack* -- you guys are demonizing me. I just took sources.list to have some link with what apt-get is allowed to pull from.. apparently it is much more involved. I will learn,.. |
| 19:18.33 | Neofate2 | but I guess the damage is done and messy or something , and not going to default sources.list puts it back to fresh again. |
| 19:19.10 | Neofate2 | So, in that case -- What build of Debian would you recommend. I'll get a larger image if it might have some more commands/dependencies and so on included.. |
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| 19:19.53 | jordanm | Neofate2: single 5.0.5 netinst CD if you have internet during the installation |
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| 19:19.57 | jordanm | !tell Neofate2 about java |
| 19:20.06 | jordanm | !tell Neofate2 about grounding |
| 19:20.08 | Neofate2 | I learn by reading, but also by trial and error -- this is on a spare computer , not a server of any importance. I'm trying to be nice, and I realize complete noobs are annoying, but disrespect the 'OS' I |
| 19:20.08 | Neofate2 | am not. |
| 19:20.25 | Neofate2 | Ok, that is what I have.. |
| 19:20.30 | jimcooncat | !tell jimcooncat about grounding |
| 19:20.49 | tpocra | Hi, I accidentally ran pvcreate /dev/sda2 which was already a physical volume that had my AES encrypted (dm-crypt/LUKS) / and /home logical volumes |
| 19:21.09 | tpocra | Now I want to grep /dev/sda2 to find the byte location where my encrypted LVs start |
| 19:21.23 | jordanm | Neofate2: google should be lower down the list of things to check for research. documentation is found in /usr/share/doc, and the debian wiki. always check for and follow official documentation before doing what some guy on the internet says |
| 19:21.26 | tpocra | Then I want to dd starting on that bye to another disk so I can attempt to unlock it with cryptsetup |
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| 19:21.35 | jordanm | Neofate2: google is excellent at telling you the wrong way to do something |
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| 19:22.06 | tpocra | If I can read my / directory after running cryptsetup luksOpen, then I can get the necessary LVM archive files to pvcreate --uuid the PV again and vgcfgrestore my VG and LVs |
| 19:22.25 | tpocra | But I need to be able to mount my / filesystem, which is ext3 and locked inside /dev/sda2 somewhere. |
| 19:22.37 | tpocra | I tried grepping the /dev/sda2 for the string "LUKS |
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| 19:22.42 | tpocra | but it appears too many times. |
| 19:22.48 | jordanm | Neofate2: I can be a bit harsh at times, but my only intention is to help |
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| 19:23.16 | tpocra | Is there a more specific string to look for when my LVs are specifically aes encrypted? |
| 19:23.29 | Neofate2 | Yes, I think you guys are getting the wrong impression of me from probably the usual random tool that stops in. |
| 19:23.29 | tpocra | Someone else mentioned "LUKS...aes" but it returned nothing so I doubt that is correct. |
| 19:23.43 | Neofate2 | But I am reinstalling as we speak. |
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| 19:24.08 | Neofate2 | and yes, google got me where I am lol |
| 19:24.17 | Neofate2 | I at least 'try' before asking |
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| 19:26.13 | Neofate2 | brb.. can't stand this irc client. |
| 19:26.44 | BigC | well, I am just going to do a net install from virtual box |
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| 19:26.52 | abrotman | usual random tool? |
| 19:28.43 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, cat /dev/urandom ? |
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| 19:29.05 | dec3pti0n | anyone know something like expr that I could use with float numbers ? |
| 19:29.51 | jelly-home | dec3pti0n: echo 'scale=6; 2/3'|bc |
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| 19:32.47 | jordanm | abrotman: s/tool/ubuntu user/ |
| 19:33.05 | dec3pti0n | jelly-home: cool thanks going over the manpage now to see if I can remove the digits after dot otherwise i'll use cut |
| 19:33.34 | jelly-home | dec3pti0n: oh well, just use scale=0 then |
| 19:33.39 | dec3pti0n | i tried |
| 19:33.46 | jelly-home | (it' |
| 19:33.50 | jelly-home | s the default, even |
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| 19:35.00 | dec3pti0n | yep but it's cool no big deal .. thanks |
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| 19:45.29 | lweight | hello |
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| 19:46.34 | lweight | I'm trying to make a very simple laptop network config, with ifplugd for eth0 and wpa_supplicant managing wlan0. The dhcp on wlan0 slows boot - any tips? |
| 19:46.50 | lweight | i.e. can I background dhcp on wlan0 at boot |
| 19:47.48 | danols | hi all |
| 19:48.02 | danols | where would python be located on the debian file system ? |
| 19:48.27 | lindi- | danols: the interpreter binary? |
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| 19:50.18 | danols | i don't know |
| 19:50.25 | danols | I've install django but don't where it went |
| 19:50.46 | danols | on my test server its in python /lib/site-packages |
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| 19:51.52 | abrotman | danols: dpkg -L foopkg |
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| 19:53.33 | danols | lthanks |
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| 19:54.10 | necrite | hello |
| 19:54.14 | tpocra | jelly-home, abrotman: Either of you have experience with LVM metadata detection? |
| 19:54.42 | tpocra | I need to find the byte where my encrypted LV that has my Debian / (about 15GiB or so) starts |
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| 20:02.25 | necrite | anyone knows how to fix the "Not replacing deleted config file" problem when I am installing one package? remove all files before make a dpkg -P |
| 20:02.46 | scgtrp | is there a copy of the debian installer somewhere that will run from an existing linux installation so i don't have to burn a cd? |
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| 20:03.47 | danols | is there a command utility to 'enable' a site or I manually sym link? |
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| 20:05.21 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Anyone running a Debian on SPARC machine? When my OS boots, the "General fault" LED comes and stays on. There are no faults in the system actually. Anyone know a this for that? |
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| 20:07.33 | craigevil | !tell necrite about confmiss |
| 20:08.35 | jelly-home | tpocra: there's a #lvm channel |
| 20:08.37 | project2501a | hey guys, does debian have any particular way of automating build? |
| 20:08.47 | tpocra | thanks |
| 20:08.51 | project2501a | builds |
| 20:09.00 | project2501a | package builds. i'm building a package for a bioinformatics application |
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| 20:10.06 | abrotman | !pbuilder |
| 20:10.06 | dpkg | pbuilder is probably "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
| 20:10.26 | project2501a | thanks abrotman. |
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| 20:11.01 | project2501a | i'm more interested in a way to check out the branch, get automated notifications for new branches, automated checking out of the new branches and making the packages automatically |
| 20:11.07 | project2501a | basically, i'm a lazy bastard. |
| 20:11.25 | necrite | craigevil, same problem with --force-configmiss |
| 20:11.34 | abrotman | project2501a: let me goog .. eh, nevermind |
| 20:11.43 | project2501a | LOL |
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| 20:11.48 | necrite | --force-confmiss sry |
| 20:11.55 | project2501a | i'm just new to building packages mate. just need a clue |
| 20:12.00 | project2501a | i'll google on my own |
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| 20:22.44 | guest | aptatude fails with... Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
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| 20:23.04 | guest | mount pts within chroot ? |
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| 20:24.46 | tbsaunde | guest: yes, mount /dev/pts should work |
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| 20:25.39 | BigC | is away: I'm afk, if you didnt know. |
| 20:25.41 | guest | stopped segfaulting, we'll see if it finishes |
| 20:26.30 | Number6 | Hello guys, I have Iceweasel as browser, but on youtube it crashes a lot when playing videos. That's very annoying, is there a solution for it. I upgraded the latest version from standard Debian apt-package repo. Also I thought Firefox solved the problem by isolating itself from crashing plugins... |
| 20:27.37 | Jemt | Is it possible to have 'find' output something when it's working? Ie when doing: find -type -f -exec chmod 644 '{}' \; |
| 20:28.04 | Jemt | It's hard to guess the progress |
| 20:28.26 | guest | chmod -v |
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| 20:28.56 | Jemt | Oh, of course - it's not find that's supposed to output anything. Thanks, guest :) |
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| 20:29.29 | guest | jemt -c might be better |
| 20:29.33 | guest | welcome |
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| 20:29.49 | Jemt | Oh, right - thanks again :) |
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| 20:31.19 | Jemt | Hm, is it possible to write the output to a file, while still have it displayed on the screen? I supposed I can "watch" the file, but that's probably more performance heavy |
| 20:31.39 | guest | man tee |
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| 20:32.30 | guest | jemt find ./ -type d -exec chmod -c 755 '{}' \; | tee blah.output |
| 20:32.43 | guest | jemt find ./ -type d -exec chmod -c 755 '{}' \; | tee blah.output 2>&1 |
| 20:33.12 | Jemt | Fantastic, thank you again :) |
| 20:33.25 | Number6 | does anyone has a good repo to install firefox? |
| 20:33.41 | guest | np |
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| 20:35.24 | guest | jemt find ./ -type d -exec chmod -c 755 '{}' \; | tee blah.output 2>&1 | less heh if you want to really pipe things around the world and back you could even | cut -d/ -f2 or so... |
| 20:35.47 | guest | plumber out ! |
| 20:35.50 | Jemt | :-S |
| 20:35.52 | Number6 | Please, can someone help me to install Firefox with apt? |
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| 20:36.43 | poli | Hello all! How do I change the "default" editor from nano to, say, emacs? |
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| 20:37.39 | jordanm | poli: update-alterntives --set editor emacs |
| 20:37.46 | poli | jordanm: thanks! |
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| 20:39.23 | PinkFreud | Number6: aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 20:40.29 | dkr | poli: you can also set the EDITOR env var |
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| 20:42.29 | Jemt | There we go. My laptop is now fixing all the odd file permissions on my file partition. I wonder why half of my files have +x, and many files are 777. But great thing 'find' with ' -exec' can fix it :) |
| 20:42.42 | Jemt | I'll head to bed. Night all, and thanks for the help :) |
| 20:43.03 | Iridos | I've only 7 days left here and lots to do... and I have a 1TB drive where I backuped /home/myuser... with rsnapshot it's only one partition how long do you think would it take me to clone the system on there and make it bootable via usb? |
| 20:43.19 | Iridos | I'll definitely copy (tar?) the system drive there |
| 20:43.39 | Iridos | but when I get home, there'll be just the windows PC(s) of my parents |
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| 20:44.39 | Number6 | PinkFreud, I already have Iceweasel, the problem is, it crashes a lot because of the poor support of Flash plugin. |
| 20:44.39 | PinkFreud | Iridos: that depends on how much data there is, how many individual files there are, speed of the drives, cpu speed, ... |
| 20:45.10 | PinkFreud | Number6: iceweasel is firefox. installing a non-debian branded firefox won't fix your flash issues. |
| 20:45.17 | Number6 | PinkFreud, if I have the latest Firfox, it at least doesn't crash because of a bad flash plugin |
| 20:45.27 | Iridos | no, that can run over night... I mean how long does it take to fiddle stuff around until it's bootable via usb |
| 20:45.36 | Iridos | I have so much to pack |
| 20:45.41 | PinkFreud | ahh, sandboxed plugins. |
| 20:45.51 | Number6 | PinkFreud, I don't know, the package are not always up to date with the latest version. |
| 20:46.09 | Iridos | and I only faintly remember how I made a bootable usb stick :( |
| 20:46.19 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Kinda depends on the host system. You should be able to put grub on the root of the drive and as long as the BIOS can boot from that drive it'll be fine. |
| 20:46.26 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Shouldn't take much tweaking. |
| 20:46.45 | Number6 | For example Vim apt package for Lenny is still a bit old. |
| 20:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: In fact, you could probably just RSYNC the whole system, chroot to it, and do a grub-install. |
| 20:47.06 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, oh... but I'd need to name the drive, then use partition names or so? |
| 20:47.15 | Iridos | no way to know what a different system would think that drive is? |
| 20:47.21 | hochron | how come my pigin does not allow me to use the yahoo protocol? |
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| 20:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Well, first, only partition swap and /, that will simplify things. |
| 20:47.44 | Iridos | judd, versions pidgin |
| 20:47.45 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.7.1-1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1 |
| 20:47.53 | PinkFreud | Number6: correct. packages in debian stable tend to be fairly old. debian's stable distribution is well-tested, with packages known to work together. |
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| 20:48.11 | PinkFreud | Number6: alas, this means that they're several revisions behind. |
| 20:48.19 | Iridos | hochron, should it? if you're using lenny, probably because it's old. see what judd said above about versions of pidgin and /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:48.20 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: You can always take a live CD or live USB to see what the system thinks the drive is. USB's of course can change. |
| 20:48.41 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, aww, swap! it's one partition that takes up the whole disk... as it was meant for backups |
| 20:48.58 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: No problem, set it up to use a swap file. |
| 20:49.12 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, well, I wonder if I should try to make it bootable here or when I have more time on the new machine |
| 20:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Modern systems don't really NEED swap, most computer have a G of RAM. |
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| 20:49.28 | stuckey | ~versions iceweasel |
| 20:49.29 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, I know that can be done... but not how one does it... so more time to invest |
| 20:49.32 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: I'd do my best where you are, but take a live CD. |
| 20:49.38 | stuckey | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 20:49.40 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; sid: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
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| 20:49.57 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, right... I'll just rsync it and try to fix it up when I'm there... it's more sensible |
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| 20:50.00 | Iridos | thx |
| 20:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | Like I said, rsync the existing system to the drive, chroot to it, run grub-update. |
| 20:50.16 | jordanm | update-grub |
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| 20:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | Edit the fstab, you should be good to go. |
| 20:50.23 | stuckey | Anyone know which version of iceweasel supports html5? |
| 20:50.23 | Iridos | I also wondered if I can put the system into one subdirectory on the drive... keeping the root level clean |
| 20:50.30 | PinkFreud | yep. experimental. |
| 20:50.30 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Actually, grub-install. |
| 20:50.40 | Iridos | but I think that'd make much more extra-fiddeling necessary than the actual benefits are |
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| 20:51.12 | Iridos | right... I'll just rsync to its root |
| 20:51.24 | Iridos | what about /dev? |
| 20:51.46 | Iridos | I can just copy that, right? (I always used to, but that was before udev) |
| 20:52.04 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, cp -a and you're fine |
| 20:52.43 | Iridos | err, no - need to stay within one mountpoint |
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| 20:53.50 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, I meant /dev |
| 20:54.02 | Iridos | oh... but I guess rsync will also take care of that |
| 20:54.05 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, if you need to stay within one mountpoint, cp -ax |
| 20:54.26 | Iridos | I was thinking rsync -x |
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| 20:56.01 | Iridos | -Cax |
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| 20:56.35 | jordanm | Iridos: I would expect -x to prevent it from copying /dev /proc and /sys |
| 20:56.36 | Iridos | -CaxH |
| 20:56.42 | Iridos | true |
| 20:56.59 | Iridos | no |
| 20:57.00 | stuckey | How do I install a package from experimental? |
| 20:57.00 | Iridos | not dev |
| 20:57.09 | Iridos | dev isn't a separate mount point |
| 20:57.14 | Iridos | dev is part of / |
| 20:57.22 | Iridos | and I don't want /proc or /sys (obviously) |
| 20:57.28 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.33 | Iridos | no, it's not |
| 20:57.46 | thewanderer1 | stuckey, aptitude -t experimental install ... |
| 20:57.46 | Iridos | /dev is part of / |
| 20:57.52 | lindi- | Iridos: 'udev /dev tmpfs rw,relatime,size=10240k,mode=755 0 0' |
| 20:58.06 | stuckey | thewanderer1: do I need to change my apt.sources? |
| 20:58.10 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 20:58.31 | thewanderer1 | stuckey, and don't do that unless you are prepared for a big nasty crash |
| 20:58.37 | Iridos | hm |
| 20:58.48 | lindi- | Iridos: in stable's /proc/mounts anyway |
| 20:58.49 | Iridos | lindi-, well, was not before udev |
| 20:58.56 | Iridos | yes.. I see that |
| 20:58.57 | lindi- | Iridos: yep but stable has udev nowadays |
| 20:59.25 | Iridos | I wonder if that means I don't need it... or if it is of no consequence because udev mounts its own stuff on top of it anyway |
| 20:59.28 | Iridos | or both |
| 20:59.38 | lindi- | Iridos: don't need what? |
| 20:59.45 | Iridos | /dev |
| 20:59.58 | Iridos | obviously, udev creates a virtual fs on top of /dev |
| 21:00.09 | Iridos | so, seems udev creates _all_ of those... |
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| 21:00.15 | Iridos | (I never paid much attention to udev) |
| 21:00.17 | lindi- | Iridos: it's just a tmpfs |
| 21:00.35 | Iridos | yes... but does that mean I don't need to copy /dev at all? |
| 21:00.56 | lindi- | Iridos: probably |
| 21:00.59 | Iridos | and did I miss an useful option in rsync -CaxH |
| 21:01.12 | lindi- | Iridos: but I'd still keep a few files there for extra compatibility |
| 21:01.14 | Iridos | guess I can copy it anyway... if udev mounts something on top, it'll not be visible |
| 21:01.15 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, if you want to restore a full Linux system from backup, then do copy /dev |
| 21:01.19 | stuckey | How do I backport from experimental? I give apt-get -b source package but it takes it from sid. |
| 21:01.23 | stuckey | I want it from experimental |
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| 21:01.29 | lindi- | Iridos: you have to copy what is under /dev |
| 21:01.29 | thewanderer1 | you don't |
| 21:01.38 | lindi- | Iridos: copying contents of the tmpfs is not a good idea |
| 21:01.39 | stuckey | You can't? |
| 21:01.42 | Iridos | stuckey, -t experimental? |
| 21:01.44 | thewanderer1 | no, you don't |
| 21:01.49 | stuckey | thewanderer1: why not? |
| 21:01.52 | lindi- | stuckey: specify only one deb-src |
| 21:02.03 | thewanderer1 | the same reason you don't usually jump out of windows |
| 21:02.05 | Iridos | hm, I agree... if you have to ask, you probably better don't |
| 21:02.11 | hochron | Iridos: Do I have to restart x after apt-get install -t lenny-backports pidgin?? now yahoo shows up :) |
| 21:02.25 | Iridos | hochron, no, why would you? |
| 21:02.36 | hochron | cause it doesn't work |
| 21:02.39 | Iridos | hochron, anyway, if it shows up, why would you want to restart? |
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| 21:02.42 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, you can copy all the files from /dev to have a reference in case your /dev is missing |
| 21:02.45 | Iridos | but you said it shows up! |
| 21:02.50 | Number6 | PinkFreud, that's why I was asking for a special firefox apt, which is always up to date |
| 21:02.51 | Iridos | thewanderer1, will do |
| 21:02.53 | stuckey | thewanderer1: seriously, why can't I do that? |
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| 21:03.28 | hochron | Iridos: It keeps saying connecting.... my I typed my password wrong |
| 21:03.37 | thewanderer1 | stuckey, technically you can, but you will not manage to run an experimental package on a stable system - too many deps. now go and google for "how to backport debian packages from sources" |
| 21:03.39 | Iridos | stuckey, because you had to ask this question and you'll be sure to run into problems much harder than reading the damn apt-get/aptitude manpage to figure out that it needs -t |
| 21:03.41 | tharkun | ask who was doing summer ban cleaning? |
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| 21:04.27 | tharkun | RichiH: I believe you took one ban off too many |
| 21:04.39 | stuckey | Iridos: apt-get -b source -t experimental iceweasel <--- still pulls it from sid. |
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| 21:06.01 | craigevil | stuckey: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=1032 that wil give you iceweasel 4 beta |
| 21:06.05 | rking | is there a way to bang-recall sudo commands? That is, say I do: sudo echo foo; sudo ls;, how can I do something like: !'sudo echo' to recall the 1st command? (bash or zsh answers apply) |
| 21:06.38 | hochron | now it works, typed password in wrong! thanks Iridos |
| 21:07.05 | stuckey | Thanks |
| 21:07.18 | stuckey | But just so I know, how is it that one backports packages from experimental? |
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| 21:08.13 | thewanderer1 | rking, you press the up arrow in Bash... |
| 21:08.48 | lindi- | stuckey: you only list deb-src for experimental |
| 21:08.58 | lindi- | stuckey: then it won't fetch anything from sid. |
| 21:09.10 | lindi- | stuckey: or you dget the dsc |
| 21:09.37 | stuckey | lindi-: so comment out sid lines? |
| 21:09.56 | lindi- | stuckey: yes. |
| 21:10.17 | stuckey | Reading state information... Done |
| 21:10.18 | stuckey | W: Ignore unavailable version '3.5.10-1' of package 'iceweasel' |
| 21:10.18 | stuckey | E: Unable to find a source package for iceweasel |
| 21:10.51 | thewanderer1 | I've got this kind of feeling that these guidelines are not leading to a point of return |
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| 21:11.16 | lindi- | stuckey: works for me |
| 21:11.53 | lindi- | stuckey: http://paste.debian.net/81173/ |
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| 21:12.23 | scgtrp | where's the file to set a system's hostname? |
| 21:12.35 | lindi- | stuckey: grep for the current hostname in /etc |
| 21:12.57 | scgtrp | lindi-: i don't have a current hostname, i installed via debootstrap and didn't get the nice configuration prompts |
| 21:13.14 | stuckey | lindi-: how do I do that? |
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| 21:13.23 | Iridos | lindi-, I told him about -t experimental about 10 minutes ago, too |
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| 21:13.32 | thewanderer1 | scgtrp, /etc/hostname |
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| 21:13.39 | stuckey | lindi-: Indeed, he did. |
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| 21:13.56 | johnw_ca | how do I purge packages that were only removed not purged? |
| 21:14.08 | scgtrp | thewanderer1: and how do i make it reload it? do i have to reboot? |
| 21:14.14 | thewanderer1 | johnw_ca, dpkg --purge name |
| 21:14.21 | lindi- | stuckey: you could provide us the same info I provided |
| 21:14.32 | thewanderer1 | scgtrp, no, issue `hostname NEWHOSTNAME` and then logout and relogin |
| 21:14.35 | johnw_ca | thewanderer1: is there a way to do all packages at once? |
| 21:14.49 | thewanderer1 | johnw_ca, none that I know of, you could write a script tho |
| 21:14.50 | scgtrp | thewanderer1: ahh, ok. thanks |
| 21:14.59 | johnw_ca | nods |
| 21:15.05 | stuckey | http://paste.debian.net/81174/ |
| 21:15.05 | johnw_ca | :( |
| 21:15.10 | grand_grunt | I'm trying to get logical and physical sector size using hdparm 8.9-3 on Debian Lenny, and I don't get these information. Is there something different between hdparm and hdparm by Debian? |
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| 21:15.21 | Teratogen | SLACKWARE UBER ALLES |
| 21:15.28 | norf | ... |
| 21:16.34 | lindi- | stuckey: what architecture? distro? |
| 21:16.48 | stuckey | amd64, testing |
| 21:17.51 | lindi- | stuckey: anyways, BTS seems to have an entry for this, 561971 |
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| 21:18.34 | stuckey | so it's a bug, okay |
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| 21:40.49 | SparFux | Meh. Still my connections to local loopback are stalling most of the times. I tried different linux kernels, no change. |
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| 21:42.25 | Gla | is there a short-hand for saying "run this command X times" ? |
| 21:42.55 | OpenTokix | Gla: do a bash script |
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| 21:43.27 | project2501a | gla: look at the foor loop |
| 21:43.37 | project2501a | for, even |
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| 21:45.57 | malvarma | So upgrading to squeeze didn't work out well |
| 21:46.05 | jhutchins | !tell SparFux about noipv6 |
| 21:46.26 | malvarma | and I had to reinstall |
| 21:46.26 | SparFux | Gla: use this: for RUN in 1 2 3 4 5 6 ; do echo This is run $RUN ; done |
| 21:46.40 | jhutchins | malvarma: How so? |
| 21:46.51 | malvarma | so I'm trying to install squeeze from USB but i get a kernel mismatch |
| 21:47.15 | SparFux | jhutchins: why not use sysctl? |
| 21:47.21 | malvarma | jhutchins, Oh I must have screwed up somewhere. I just changed the sources list from lenny to squeeze |
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| 21:47.35 | malvarma | then did a full upgrade. |
| 21:47.52 | malvarma | Somewhere along the line, it removed a lot of key components |
| 21:47.53 | project2501a | how can i monitor the heat sensors on my laptop? |
| 21:48.04 | malvarma | and now if I try to boot into that, X crashes, and barely anything works. |
| 21:48.04 | tharkun | project2501a: acpid and friends |
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| 21:48.15 | malvarma | But it's too late for that. |
| 21:48.19 | malvarma | I need to reinstall |
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| 21:48.19 | streuner_ | project2501a: lm-sensors? |
| 21:48.20 | jhutchins | project2501a: lm_sensors + a GUI if you want. |
| 21:48.35 | malvarma | except the usb key I made says "kernel mismatch" |
| 21:48.39 | jhutchins | malvarma: That's why it's called testing. |
| 21:48.57 | malvarma | jhutchins, hahahaha |
| 21:49.07 | malvarma | Anyhow it's exactly like this |
| 21:49.08 | malvarma | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg700069.html |
| 21:49.13 | jhutchins | malvarma: Seriously. |
| 21:49.14 | project2501a | yeah lm-sensors would be good. i asked the wrong question. apparently the main laptop fan is always running. i hate that. i want to stop it :| |
| 21:49.22 | malvarma | Yeah testing, except even stable gave me trouble. |
| 21:49.39 | malvarma | Intel Video screwed up. Tried a bunch of stuff but couldn't fix it |
| 21:49.51 | jhutchins | malvarma: If you can't fix it in stable, chances of getting testing to run properly are not good. |
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| 21:50.01 | malvarma | I should probably switch distros |
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| 21:50.38 | malvarma | I'd like to run arch, but I share this computer with a computer illiterate dad. |
| 21:50.43 | streuner_ | project2501a: well, you need a slegdehammer then ;-) |
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| 21:50.49 | malvarma | Id like to give him something a little more preinstalled. |
| 21:50.59 | project2501a | streuner_: :( |
| 21:51.03 | ponyofdeath | anyone know of an web based client that i can set up quick to connect to my corp irc server? |
| 21:51.05 | malvarma | Not ubuntu though. That thing is getting bloated and ugly. |
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| 21:51.25 | project2501a | ubuntu is Zulu for "pain in the arse" |
| 21:51.45 | jhutchins | malvarma: Did you have question about fixing something on Debian? |
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| 21:52.02 | malvarma | I thought it was Swahili for "mac ripoff" |
| 21:52.17 | malvarma | jhutchins, I guess not anymore. I'll have to switch. |
| 21:52.21 | malvarma | I'll be off. |
| 21:52.35 | twiggz | ponyofdeath: mibbit |
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| 21:52.56 | jhutchins | predicts that unhappiness will follow malvarma until he learns to fix things. |
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| 21:54.50 | Cope | i'm pxe-installing lenny with preseed; i haven't explicitly requested to use volatile, but he installer seems to have tried to enable it anyway, and is complaining that it can't be reached, and gives a RSOD |
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| 21:55.20 | streuner_ | project2501a: look at the package fancontrol, it might help |
| 21:55.56 | ponyofdeath | twiggz: thx looking into it now! |
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| 21:56.26 | SparFux | jhutchins: turning off ipv6 doesn't seem to help. |
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| 22:00.20 | twiggz | np: ponyofdeath |
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| 22:02.30 | Cope | definitely not requested in the preseed... but it's trying to get it |
| 22:02.51 | streuner_ | project2501a: but i wouldnt use fancontrol at all, its a too high risk, IMO |
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| 22:04.14 | beny | hello |
| 22:04.34 | SparFux | Hi beny: |
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| 22:07.27 | beny | I've updated today my squeeze (last time was in april or may) and I got a bug similar to the following one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=547440 Currently, that appears especially on icedove and iceweasel (I have a doubt about a relation with GTK), did someone have recently? |
| 22:07.50 | streuner_ | !dbugs 547440 |
| 22:07.54 | dpkg | DONE:#547440:I[gnubg] Black background everywhere (); Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:24:02 UTC [] |
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| 22:08.35 | Cope | any ideas? i don't get why the lenny installer would install volatile by default... and I can't see how to tell it not to |
| 22:11.15 | moldovean | Cope, just comments out volatile lines in /etc/apt/sources/list |
| 22:11.28 | streuner_ | How to make Debian more attractive for users? |
| 22:11.28 | moldovean | sources.list* |
| 22:11.48 | streuner_ | ECHAN |
| 22:11.59 | moldovean | streuner_, tell them thats newer windouz |
| 22:12.39 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 22:13.41 | Cope | moldovean: i'm talking about in a preseed |
| 22:13.42 | moldovean | super professional one (not for dummies ) |
| 22:13.53 | beny | The problem also appears (less) on pidgin |
| 22:13.55 | moldovean | Cope, oh .. |
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| 22:14.45 | beny | So I really think the problem comes from gtk |
| 22:14.53 | Cope | it's a pain because the installer stops and tells me it can't get to the volatile repos, and has commented them out, and asks me to continue |
| 22:15.00 | Cope | which breaks the autmated install! |
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| 22:15.52 | dondelelcaro | Cope: any reason why you can't access volatile? |
| 22:16.11 | thewanderer1 | can I turn off displaying HTML in Icedove? |
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| 22:17.13 | pha | is there a way to tell if the server you are on is dedicated or a vps? |
| 22:17.32 | beny | I could write a bug, but as I didn't update my squeeze since a long time the window is a little big to come where the bug from, and I hope I'm not the only one who has found this bug (but the window to find the bug is still big and finding bugs with a bugged iceweasel is not easy) |
| 22:17.40 | thewanderer1 | pha, there are packages to detect virtualization |
| 22:17.59 | pha | do you know of any I could use? |
| 22:18.00 | thewanderer1 | imvirt - detects several virtualizations |
| 22:18.13 | pha | thank you very much thewanderer1 |
| 22:18.17 | Cope | dondelelcaro: I seem to be able to wget http://volatile.debian.org from a terminal inside the installer |
| 22:18.30 | pha | I take it no matter how smart you are you couldn't bypass it? |
| 22:18.50 | thewanderer1 | well, everyone can mess with KVM sources and kernels and stuff |
| 22:19.06 | thewanderer1 | pha, a few things to check for: lspci, lsusb, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:19.16 | dondelelcaro | Cope: yeah, it should work normally; anyway, there should be a preseed question to disable volatile if you can't get it to work normally |
| 22:19.16 | thewanderer1 | if any of those look unreal, then you're inside of the box |
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| 22:19.29 | beny | perhaps I'm not enough clear with my explications? |
| 22:19.39 | thewanderer1 | pha, an uname -a might tell you if you're using containers, anyway |
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| 22:20.29 | pha | thanks bud - I really appreciate it. |
| 22:20.29 | Cope | dondelelcaro: ah... i wonder if it's because i don't have apt-cacher-ng set up to proxy volatile.... |
| 22:20.30 | dondelelcaro | Cope: yeah, that's probably it |
| 22:20.30 | dondelelcaro | Cope: you generally want volatile; it has rapidly changing packages like anti-virus and anti-spam things |
| 22:20.30 | dondelelcaro | Cope: and it's relatively small |
| 22:20.41 | Cope | tweaks his apt-cacher-ng config |
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| 22:21.32 | DeSian___ | Hi, i've debian installed since 4 years and never used non-repo, but someone told me that debian installtion is allready with non-free software like libs ...etc is that true, if not any article about the debian base installation source? |
| 22:21.49 | DeSian___ | non-repo == non-free |
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| 22:23.24 | lindi- | DeSian___: no |
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| 22:23.43 | lindi- | DeSian___: except for bugs of course |
| 22:24.41 | DeSian___ | lindi-, i think also, but i'm looking for any link about basic installation packages |
| 22:25.07 | dondelelcaro | DeSian___: the default install doesn't contain any software which doesn't meet the DFSG |
| 22:25.10 | lindi- | DeSian___: there is really no such thing as basic installation |
| 22:25.23 | dondelelcaro | DeSian___: if you add non-free, then you'll have software which doesn't meet the DFSG |
| 22:25.30 | Cope | dondelelcaro: aha! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522239 |
| 22:25.44 | thewanderer1 | DeSian___, if you want to check essential packages, then build yourself a system with debootstrap |
| 22:25.53 | thewanderer1 | you'll see names of packages that get setup |
| 22:25.58 | Cope | needs to get newer apt-cacher-ng from backports... or somewhere |
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| 22:26.52 | tharkun | Cope: there is a new 0.5 version in sid |
| 22:26.59 | DeSian___ | thnx alo |
| 22:27.00 | DeSian___ | t |
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| 22:27.13 | Cope | checks it out |
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| 22:27.31 | project2501a | can you make man pages out of tex files? |
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| 22:30.35 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: most people use texinfo for that |
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| 22:35.10 | project2501a | dondelelcaro: i'm trying to make a debian package and i just saw that he has provided a bunch of .tex files |
| 22:35.17 | project2501a | never worked with tex before |
| 22:35.33 | project2501a | they look regular enough to work with |
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| 22:37.47 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: yeah; you'll need a real manpage, but you should include those tex files (built as a pdf, most likely) in /usr/share/doc/<foopkg>/ |
| 22:38.02 | project2501a | that's fair. |
| 22:38.12 | project2501a | can i make a man page out one of those tex files? |
| 22:39.09 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: perhaps using latex2man; depends how they were written |
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| 22:39.44 | project2501a | poorly :D |
| 22:39.57 | project2501a | i just tried to tex one page, and tex complained. |
| 22:40.19 | thewanderer1 | I thought manpages were made with groff |
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| 22:40.58 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: they're formatted with groff, yes, but you can transform other forms into input that *roff understands |
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| 22:41.16 | project2501a | thewanderer1: yes, they are. but i don't have any groff input files. |
| 22:41.28 | project2501a | i will find out how to transform tex to groff |
| 22:43.21 | project2501a | latex2man works |
| 22:43.24 | project2501a | thanks :) |
| 22:46.09 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: you'll have to check to make sure it's a manpage that looks right, but if that works; great. Just make sure to add the right build-depends |
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| 22:47.30 | scgtrp | i'm trying to set up radeon but mesa seems to be insisting on using software rendering, Xorg.0.log says acceleration and direct rendering are disabled. how do i get it to work? |
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| 22:50.28 | project2501a | dondelelcaro: dutyfully taking notice |
| 22:50.47 | project2501a | dondelelcaro: i got good rappaport with the original devel, i'll send him a copy to commit in his repo |
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| 22:56.13 | Pinchiukas | Ok how do I find out what starts ntpd? |
| 22:56.34 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: /etc/init.d/ntpd does |
| 22:56.46 | dondelelcaro | s/d$// |
| 22:57.08 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: on boot. |
| 22:57.43 | e1z0 | lol |
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| 22:57.48 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: same thing... |
| 22:57.56 | e1z0 | rc-update del ntpd! |
| 22:58.07 | Pinchiukas | I'm sure debian doesn't run every script in /etc/init.d/ on boot. |
| 22:58.09 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: why do you want to stop ntpd in the first place? |
| 22:58.31 | Pinchiukas | I want to run it. |
| 22:58.33 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: obviously, but that's the script, and it's symlinked from whatever runlevel it's started in. |
| 22:58.34 | Pinchiukas | It's not running. |
| 22:58.57 | e1z0 | then run it from rc.local |
| 22:59.01 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: if it's not running, then you've either not configured it, not symlinked it, you're not using sysV, or similar |
| 22:59.09 | dondelelcaro | e1z0: no, you don't use rc.local for things like that |
| 22:59.21 | e1z0 | ntpdate ntp.blablah.com |
| 22:59.26 | e1z0 | is enough |
| 22:59.29 | Pinchiukas | No it isn't. |
| 23:00.05 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: anyway, it's started in runlevels 2-5; update-rc.d ntp defaults 23; as root should be enough |
| 23:00.05 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: I have this in my /etc/rc2.d/: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-07-19 17:24 S23ntp -> ../init.d/ntp |
| 23:00.14 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: right, that's good enough |
| 23:00.20 | Pinchiukas | And it's not running. |
| 23:00.29 | Pinchiukas | 'ps aux|grep ntp' says nothing. |
| 23:00.30 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: if that's not starting ntp, then see why /etc/init.d/ntp start; isn't starting ntp |
| 23:00.48 | Pinchiukas | //etc/init.d/ntp start starts it. |
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| 23:01.13 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: ok, then it *should* start on boot. Did you check syslog? |
| 23:01.32 | streuner_ | make the script more verbose (-x option) and see what error you get |
| 23:01.54 | Pinchiukas | ntpd[3056]: unable to bind to wildcard socket address 0.0.0.0 - another process may be running - EXITING |
| 23:02.25 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: hrm; are you running ntpdate or something early on during boot? |
| 23:02.38 | e1z0 | lol |
| 23:02.39 | e1z0 | fail |
| 23:02.55 | dondelelcaro | e1z0: if you don't have something constructive to say, please be quiet |
| 23:03.06 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: don't think so. |
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| 23:03.17 | Pinchiukas | It's a dedicated server image from hetzner.de. |
| 23:03.34 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: ok; can you show the contents of ls -l /etc/rc2.d; in a paste site? |
| 23:03.48 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: and can you reboot this machine easily if necessary? |
| 23:04.15 | Pinchiukas | This is what I get in syslog when I start it after boot: http://www.pastie.org/1056237 |
| 23:04.23 | Pinchiukas | Yes, I can. |
| 23:04.27 | Pinchiukas | Rebooted a few times now. |
| 23:05.12 | Pinchiukas | http://www.pastie.org/1056240 |
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| 23:06.39 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: ok, that looks reasonable; and ls -l /etc/rcS.d/? |
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| 23:06.54 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: and can you also give me the syslog for the time around boot? |
| 23:07.03 | Pinchiukas | Sec. |
| 23:07.31 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: my guess is that whatever install they did runs ntpdate early on in boot, which is occupying 0.0.0.0:123 |
| 23:07.55 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: http://www.pastie.org/1056246 |
| 23:08.26 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: and is there anything above that that looks ntp related? |
| 23:08.43 | Pinchiukas | Nope. |
| 23:09.15 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: ok; try the following: grep -A 5 -B 5 ntp /etc/rc{S,2}.d/*; and see what comes out |
| 23:09.59 | dondelelcaro | (you should see /etc/rc2.d/S23ntp and *hopefully* something in /etc/rcS.d or /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local) |
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| 23:10.33 | Pinchiukas | I see a lot of stuff. |
| 23:10.37 | Pinchiukas | Prolly the command is wrong. |
| 23:10.49 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: there should be lots of stuff |
| 23:11.11 | dondelelcaro | (probably about 300 lines) |
| 23:11.55 | Pinchiukas | Yep. |
| 23:12.20 | streuner_ | Pinchiukas: does "ntpdate ntp.nasa.gov" work? |
| 23:12.33 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: ntp starts after boot; the problem is at boot |
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| 23:12.37 | streuner_ | (to make sure its a local Debian issue) |
| 23:12.44 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:13.13 | Pinchiukas | Maybe I should try changing the port? |
| 23:13.24 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: nah, not needed |
| 23:13.39 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: anyway, if you could give me the output above, we can probably get to the bottom of this |
| 23:13.56 | Pinchiukas | How can I pastebin the whole thing? :) |
| 23:14.05 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: redirect it to a file, and upload the file? |
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| 23:14.37 | dondelelcaro | (there are even command line paste interfaces) |
| 23:14.54 | Pinchiukas | I think this is it: http://www.pastie.org/1056253 |
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| 23:15.32 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: an old bug (436029) notes such a problem with ntpdate-ifup scipt in /etc/network/if-up.d - maybe that's the issue here |
| 23:15.48 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: yeah, could be |
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| 23:16.09 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: there are about 4 places where ntp could be running from; that's the next one to check. ;-) |
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| 23:17.21 | Pinchiukas | I don't know anything about it. |
| 23:17.24 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: there should be more after the S23ntp, but if you search and don't see anything that is calling ntp or ntpdate that isn't in S23ntp, then grep -A 5 -B 5 -R ntp /etc/network; or similarly |
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| 23:17.47 | Pinchiukas | Ok let me output to a file and then get it. That will make sure. |
| 23:18.06 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: the other thing that could be starting it is a cronjob calling ntpdate (though cron *shouldn't* be started until later) |
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| 23:18.38 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: how do I view cron jobs? |
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| 23:18.55 | dondelelcaro | (finally, if all else fails, the adding netstat -plunt > /etc/netstat_ntp_output; in /etc/default/ntp will tell you why it fails) |
| 23:19.07 | jordanm | isn't it kind of odd to have cron, which depends on system's time, to run ntpdate? |
| 23:19.23 | Tramp | I don't want to interfere with your troubleshooting - but why not simply purge ntpdate if he want ntpd anyways? |
| 23:19.25 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: grep ntp -R /etc/cron* /var/spool/cron; |
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| 23:19.53 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: because it could be calling ntpd -q; |
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| 23:20.12 | dondelelcaro | (that's actually how you should be doing it instead of using ntpdate nowadays, anyway) |
| 23:20.16 | Pinchiukas | http://www.pastie.org/1056262 |
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| 23:20.40 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: yeah, that's all fine |
| 23:21.01 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: it's not that unusual, though it's not really something you should do |
| 23:21.38 | jordanm | cat | grep, another oddity :p |
| 23:21.49 | Pinchiukas | http://www.pastie.org/1056265 - seems all here. |
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| 23:23.40 | Pinchiukas | Ok, trying the netstat thing. |
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| 23:23.44 | project2501a | hey guys, i am making a package and it depends on llibboost. should i put libboost1.42-all-dev as dependesy or list all boost libraries individually? |
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| 23:25.07 | Pinchiukas | http://www.pastie.org/1056274 dondelelcaro |
| 23:25.31 | Pinchiukas | Ah, ntpdate! |
| 23:25.41 | Pinchiukas | How do I find it? |
| 23:25.42 | project2501a | ntpupdate sucks |
| 23:25.58 | Pinchiukas | Huh? |
| 23:26.13 | project2501a | erh, sorry, never mind |
| 23:26.22 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: you should have libboost-dev as a Build-Depends: and then a Depends: ${shlib:Depends} and call dh_shlibs |
| 23:26.52 | project2501a | good info |
| 23:26.53 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: library dependencies are automatically figured out by dpkg-shlibdeps and dh_shlibdeps |
| 23:26.53 | project2501a | thank you |
| 23:27.05 | dondelelcaro | s/dh_shlibs/dh_shlibdeps/ |
| 23:27.17 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: this all should be covered in the NM guide, too |
| 23:27.26 | dondelelcaro | (but feel free to ask questions here or in #debian-mentors on OFTC) |
| 23:27.29 | project2501a | i'm not quite sure what Build-Depends: does, but, i'll just keep at it :) |
| 23:27.40 | project2501a | dondelelcaro: yeah, i just opened another server tab to there |
| 23:27.49 | project2501a | of course, it's 3am and i'm about to fall asleep |
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| 23:28.15 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: Build-Depends{,-Indep}: tell the buildds and pbuilder et al. what packages are needed to install to build your package |
| 23:28.25 | project2501a | hm |
| 23:28.26 | project2501a | ok |
| 23:28.31 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: they're part of debian/control, and that's also explained in the NM guide |
| 23:28.40 | project2501a | i should read that, then |
| 23:28.53 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: yeah, so that's definetly the problem; the trick is going to be finding it |
| 23:29.01 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: aptitude purge ntpdate; will solve your issue for now, though |
| 23:29.07 | project2501a | thank you. see you tomorrow |
| 23:29.31 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: I'd like to find it. :) |
| 23:30.00 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: well, grep ntpdate -R /etc; is how I'd start |
| 23:30.08 | project2501a | dondelelcaro: the "Installed" field, is it in bytes? |
| 23:30.21 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: sort of, but you don't need to worry about that |
| 23:30.29 | project2501a | why not? |
| 23:30.29 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: dpkg-gencontrol does all of that for you |
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| 23:30.57 | project2501a | i will read the NM guide. |
| 23:31.01 | project2501a | thank you. good night. |
| 23:31.09 | dondelelcaro | np; good luck |
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| 23:31.27 | alpha^ | Anybody know of a way to edit a gpg key programmatically? Particularly, change passphrase |
| 23:31.47 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: http://www.pastie.org/1056283 |
| 23:31.49 | project2501a | luck has nothing to do with this. persistence is all the money :D |
| 23:33.57 | jordanm | alpha^: a quick look at the manpage shows somethign like like gpg --edit-key passwd <key> |
| 23:34.23 | jordanm | could be wrong, sinze all I did was reference the man... |
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| 23:34.51 | streuner_ | in 99 percent of all cases it helps :-P |
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| 23:35.05 | alpha^ | jordanm, Yeah, I know, but it's difficult to automate |
| 23:35.09 | streuner_ | so no worries |
| 23:35.11 | alpha^ | streuner_, indeed |
| 23:35.20 | tonytraductor | this is cool. I am on irc with my android. |
| 23:35.37 | streuner_ | omg, we are on IRC too |
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| 23:35.48 | jordanm | alpha^: ah, it does not sound like something you would want automated... although I am sure you could control it with expect(1) |
| 23:36.00 | streuner_ | without this f() crap |
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| 23:36.38 | tonytraductor | yeah. but I'm on with my droid phone. anyway this was just a test. ciao |
| 23:36.41 | alpha^ | jordanm, Gah, not expect :) I have been automating the creation of keys and encrypt/decrypt. The last thing is to change passphrase |
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| 23:37.33 | jordanm | streuner_: since expect is an english word, I through () crap on there to show its a command |
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| 23:37.40 | jordanm | throw |
| 23:38.07 | streuner_ | call it fucking expensive then :-P |
| 23:39.47 | alpha^ | Including --batch in the command to "--edit-key <key> passwd" and I get "gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode". It looks like it's not possible, which will suck |
| 23:40.18 | jordanm | alpha^: which will prevent you from putting the password in atleast the creation script :) |
| 23:40.31 | jordanm | considers that a feature |
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| 23:40.48 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: any ideas which one is running ntpdate? |
| 23:41.01 | alpha^ | jordanm, I'm doing it from a web app and would pass the passphrase over SSL and through a file descriptor. So it's as secure as anything else |
| 23:41.19 | alpha^ | The passphrase isn't stored in any file |
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| 23:44.46 | alpha^ | Ah! Apparently the order of some of gpg's options matters |
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| 23:46.04 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: yeah, it's almost certainly /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate, since I'm assuming you're not using dhcp |
| 23:46.15 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: but in any event, you don't need ntpdate, so I'd just remove it |
| 23:46.31 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: all of ntpdate's functionality has been replaced by ntpd |
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| 23:48.33 | Pinchiukas | dondelelcaro: won't that generate errors in the logs? |
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| 23:51.36 | streuner_ | you want fix that error about ntp, right? |
| 23:51.49 | streuner_ | so why not just follow our advise? |
| 23:51.55 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: nah, because it'll remove those configuration files too |
| 23:52.27 | Pinchiukas | Oh... |
| 23:52.39 | Pinchiukas | Seems to have worked. Thanks a bunch! :) |
| 23:53.08 | streuner_ | Pinchiukas: "dpkg, dondelelcaro++" |
| 23:53.22 | Pinchiukas | "dpkg, dondelelcaro++ |
| 23:53.26 | Pinchiukas | dpkg, dondelelcaro++ |
| 23:53.32 | streuner_ | yep, that did it |
| 23:53.39 | dondelelcaro | Pinchiukas: np |
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| 23:55.10 | alpha^ | So I'm able to do: gpg --batch --homedir /usr/local/command_repo/sig/itacs/ --passphrase-fd 3 --edit-key <key> passwd 3<<< "passphrase". That functions, as I get the output, "Enter the new passphrase for this secret key." But, there is seemingly no way to pass the new passphrase |
| 23:55.37 | Pinchiukas | Btw, what's with the garbled mc? |
| 23:56.33 | alpha^ | Since the gpg passphrase options state, "only works with one passphrase specified". So one passphrase supplied to unlock the current key and another to specify the key's new passphrase wont happen |
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| 23:59.16 | BassT | Hello |
| 23:59.26 | BassT | I need your help updating an old Etch Server |
| 23:59.51 | streuner_ | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 23:59.51 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
