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| 00:01.29 | BassT | It's a connection problem! |
| 00:01.30 | BassT | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.30 | BassT | "Could not connect to localhost:3128 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection declined)" *translated error message (german) |
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| 00:02.50 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can tell me why mc looks so ugly? |
| 00:03.22 | streuner_ | well, mc looks like Norton's design, its just a genius thingie, IMO |
| 00:03.24 | KB1JWQ | Pinchiukas: It's an ncurses interface? |
| 00:03.47 | streuner_ | there is gentoo, if you prefer a GUI |
| 00:03.51 | streuner_ | !info gentoo |
| 00:04.03 | streuner_ | as package |
| 00:04.17 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.15.3-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 708 kB, Installed size: 2380 kB |
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| 00:05.50 | peta | hello everybody |
| 00:05.57 | streuner_ | but if you using a server, mc is just fine, IMO |
| 00:06.17 | peta | while restarting my apache2 the ssh hung up and now i believe i destroyed the pidfile of the apache daemon. how can i restore it? |
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| 00:07.22 | streuner_ | starting apache new? |
| 00:10.13 | BassT | No idea? :( |
| 00:10.29 | streuner_ | Pinchiukas: you didnt see Norton's first steps of his two-pane filemanger then :-P |
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| 00:11.04 | streuner_ | Pinchiukas: but this kind of crap worked, in assembler :) |
| 00:11.46 | streuner_ | well, nowadays mc is gold |
| 00:12.11 | tharkun | Is this the geriatric club? |
| 00:12.35 | streuner_ | nah, Norton's fan club :-P |
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| 00:13.59 | streuner_ | tharkun: ncures makes it better, but you need X to make it wonderful :-P |
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| 00:16.13 | streuner_ | tharkun: and no matter if you go into past or in future, the design would prolly always the same... |
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| 00:16.49 | hayleyw | i know about #588697, i've upgraded to the 'fixed' version...i get a password prompt, but i still cant mount my encrypted partition. i'm screwed. please, any help? |
| 00:17.35 | tharkun | streuner_: i remember when nc was "The" filemanager. It even ran on hercules monitors |
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| 00:18.18 | streuner_ | tharkun: welcome into club :-P |
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| 00:21.57 | BassT | I now read through all that texts but it doesnt help me with my problem :( |
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| 00:23.26 | streuner_ | damog: hi, you are going to visit DC? |
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| 00:24.38 | multi_io | I installed libusb-1.0-0-dev, but "gcc ... -lusb" still complains "could not find -lusb". |
| 00:24.51 | multi_io | why? |
| 00:25.10 | streuner_ | what kind of package you want compile? |
| 00:25.34 | multi_io | ldconfig -v shows "libusb-1.0.so.0 -> libusb-1.0.so.0.0.0" in /lib |
| 00:25.35 | streuner_ | (isnt there a debian package available) |
| 00:26.00 | multi_io | streuner_: sane-backends development version |
| 00:26.14 | streuner_ | but, why? |
| 00:26.20 | multi_io | the driver I need is not in the no debian package yet |
| 00:26.48 | streuner_ | sell this hardware, and get something which is supported? |
| 00:27.19 | streuner_ | and that hardware is supported in sane website? |
| 00:28.02 | multi_io | the scanner is a Canon CanoScan LiDE 200 |
| 00:28.12 | streuner_ | omg, Canon |
| 00:28.14 | multi_io | believe me, it's supported in the devel version only |
| 00:28.24 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:29.14 | streuner_ | just a wild guess, there is some -dev package missing |
| 00:29.34 | gnarface | are we talking about scanners supported in debian? |
| 00:29.39 | streuner_ | sure |
| 00:29.45 | gnarface | i'd love a good recommendation on a usb scanner |
| 00:29.49 | streuner_ | HP |
| 00:30.01 | gnarface | any HP scanner? |
| 00:30.02 | multi_io | we're talking about compiling something against libusb |
| 00:30.10 | streuner_ | not any, but most |
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| 00:31.58 | streuner_ | in my experiences |
| 00:32.29 | multi_io | the support is wonky to non-existant for most new scanner that you can but in stores, no matter what manufacturer |
| 00:32.39 | streuner_ | nah |
| 00:32.58 | streuner_ | Canon use there own drivers, no big support for Linux |
| 00:33.35 | streuner_ | well, you should visit linuxprinting.org (multifunction) or sane website |
| 00:33.50 | streuner_ | in order to get no headaches |
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| 00:43.10 | BassT | Please help me :( |
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| 00:44.52 | tuv | flash in squeeze amd64 is just aweful |
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| 00:45.56 | tuv | how can i install the older native version? |
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| 00:49.40 | cast | flash is proprietary software and not supported by debian |
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| 00:50.54 | tuv | it's not like anyone is 'obligated' to answer my questions, whether they pertain to 'supported' issues or not |
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| 00:52.54 | transistor | hello |
| 00:53.04 | DogBoy | tuv, have you tried messaging dpkg with the word flash |
| 00:53.05 | sweetpi | you need to find an old tarball of it and copy the lib to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or something like that |
| 00:53.16 | DogBoy | there are some flash factoids |
| 00:53.26 | transistor | i've got a raid situation and i just want to check some stuff to make sure i don't do anything wrong... |
| 00:53.29 | DogBoy | cast you dare to run flash on debian? |
| 00:53.33 | DogBoy | lol |
| 00:53.39 | phiscribe | if u want 32 bit flash on 64 debian u got the options or nspluginwrapper or using 32bit flash in chroot |
| 00:53.57 | tharkun | !u |
| 00:53.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:55.14 | sweetpi | !lulz |
| 00:55.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, lulz is I did it all for the lulz!, or see <lol> |
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| 00:55.27 | cast | i can understand wanting to run the nvidia driver...but flash is exceptionally shit. running a current version is a large security issue...but running an old version..well, damn. |
| 00:55.28 | bronaugh | having some trouble building the netcdf packages from source. |
| 00:55.30 | gnarface | tuv: you're having trouble finding 64-bit flash binary? or you're having trouble running the 32-bit one on a 64-bit system? |
| 00:55.41 | sweetpi | i was hoping that would be more aggressive |
| 00:56.04 | transistor | i had a disk sorta die, it turns out a powercycle to the drive brought it back; it's in a RAID1 (mdadm) with another drive and mdadm removed the dead drive from use. The dead drive was the drive that normally gets booted when the system starts up. With the power cycle, the drive now has a different drive id (sdc vs sda) so i was going to reboot the machine to get it back to working, but i want to make sure it does not boot on to the |
| 00:56.09 | multi_io | BassT: looks like it wants to connect to a proxy server on localhost:3128 |
| 00:56.17 | bronaugh | first off, dpkg-deb -b netcdf-4.1.1 complains thusly: dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `netcdf-4.1.1//DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 00:56.21 | DogBoy | yea I hate flash too but there are many debian users that run it, telling someone we don't support it is a bit much |
| 00:56.28 | tuv | gnarface: i'm having trouble *using* 32-bit flash on a 64-bit system. it's installed and working, but working very badly |
| 00:56.34 | bronaugh | turns out the DEBIAN directory is named 'debian' not 'DEBIAN' |
| 00:56.38 | bronaugh | so I renamed that, retried. |
| 00:56.52 | bronaugh | dpkg-deb: parse error, in file 'netcdf-4.1.1//DEBIAN/control' near line 11: missing package name |
| 00:56.55 | transistor | will mdadm recognize that correctly and use the second drive? or do i need to make sure the second drive is used during boot? do i need to remove the old drive from the mirrors before i reboot? |
| 00:57.08 | gnarface | tuv: if you care more about flash working than you care about security, i recommend the discontinued 64-bit alpha instead. |
| 00:57.08 | bronaugh | multiple packages are specified in the control file, and they start about 2 lines down from line 11. |
| 00:57.11 | tuv | gnarface: OTOH, i haven't had any such issues running the older native 64-bit flash |
| 00:57.16 | bronaugh | so am I doing something dumb here, or is this package just broken? |
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| 00:58.07 | cast | oh yeah...and it has complete shit platform support. and somehow manages to drag modern systems to a crawl displaying *2D* graphics. i wish adobe flash would die. and no, you don't need it for youtube :) |
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| 00:58.12 | bronaugh | I'm trying to build from source so I can make the *$*#$* fortran interface use -fdefault-integer-8 |
| 00:58.57 | bronaugh | ie: actually link with 64-bit fortran code. |
| 00:59.10 | tuv | cast: how so? (don't need it for youtube) |
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| 01:00.04 | gnarface | tuv: youtube has an html5 mode now. you just need a really new browser |
| 01:00.26 | bronaugh | Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b2pre) Gecko/20100720 Firefox/3.5.0 |
| 01:00.31 | bronaugh | apparently that's not new enough |
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| 01:01.16 | craigevil | midori works, firefox/iceweasel 4, opera, chrome/chromium |
| 01:01.29 | bronaugh | this is a nightly build. |
| 01:01.36 | cast | tuv: gnarface^, but i personally just use youtube-dl |
| 01:01.42 | bronaugh | from 2 days ago. |
| 01:01.50 | bronaugh | I'd say their detection's kind of broken. |
| 01:01.51 | bronaugh | oh well. |
| 01:02.29 | cast | http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 01:02.56 | transistor | why does linux assign a different sdX name, even though the drive is connected to the same sata channel? |
| 01:03.12 | bronaugh | still using flash after "joining" that beta. |
| 01:03.51 | bronaugh | oh lovely. |
| 01:03.55 | bronaugh | so if it has ads, it uses flash. |
| 01:04.11 | cast | transistor: you should not rely on the sdX allocation, use UUIDs or similar instead |
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| 01:04.36 | cast | transistor: blkid will show you the current lot |
| 01:04.48 | bronaugh | aha. hit one that's actually html5 w/o flash. |
| 01:04.56 | bronaugh | but they're kind of few and far between. |
| 01:05.38 | transistor | cast: is there a way to tell if mdadm is using UUIDs for the disk in the raid array? |
| 01:05.59 | cast | i have a feeling mdadm stores something in its metadata |
| 01:06.22 | cast | been a while since ive read the doco, ive forgotten :) |
| 01:06.33 | bronaugh | if you use a superblock it puts the metadata in there. |
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| 01:06.39 | bronaugh | which includes an update count, the disk's uuid, etc. |
| 01:07.04 | transistor | oh, so there is metadata somewhere |
| 01:07.26 | transistor | so if i were to just reboot, mdadm should be smart enough to know which disk has the most recent data, right? |
| 01:07.59 | bronaugh | the disk with the most recent update date is the one that gets used afaik. |
| 01:08.03 | bronaugh | there's also an update counter. |
| 01:08.13 | bronaugh | been in there editing blocks with a disk editor.... |
| 01:08.27 | transistor | cool, thanks |
| 01:08.58 | bronaugh | you can view those counter. |
| 01:09.05 | BassT | multi_io: there is a proxy installed local |
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| 01:09.15 | bronaugh | mdadm --detail <device> |
| 01:09.15 | BassT | that linux server is a mail gateway and proxy |
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| 01:09.28 | bronaugh | where device is either an md array or a device that's part of one |
| 01:10.43 | transistor | oh wow, that's excatly what i was looking for earlier |
| 01:10.53 | transistor | thanks =) |
| 01:10.57 | bronaugh | np |
| 01:11.02 | Ruum | hey guys |
| 01:11.23 | Ruum | does the HIGHEST repository version of tomcat only 5.5 |
| 01:11.44 | Ruum | I searched through aptitude and I could only find 5.5 :-( |
| 01:12.07 | multi_io | hey, that youtube html5 thing works quite well |
| 01:12.19 | Ruum | apache tomcat is in 7.0 beta now!! |
| 01:12.29 | multi_io | BassT: looks like it can't connect to it |
| 01:13.09 | multi_io | BassT: but I'm just guessing |
| 01:13.31 | bronaugh | anyhow, guess no one knows anything about my issue |
| 01:14.04 | Poison[BLX] | Hrm. I'm interested in testing an openvz+drbd+<gfs2 or ocfs2>+pacemaker setup... should I work from lenny or squeeze? |
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| 01:14.48 | bronaugh | Poison[BLX]: uh, sid? |
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| 01:15.43 | bronaugh | Poison[BLX]: sid's most likely to have the latest goodies. |
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| 01:16.11 | Poison[BLX] | bronaugh: was considering it, but wasn't sure if, given some level of success on the setup overall, it would be wise to throw that at a production setup after the fact |
| 01:16.22 | Ruum | would anyone know if there is a higher version? |
| 01:16.33 | Metatron | compile it is anoption |
| 01:16.38 | bronaugh | Ruum: search for a debian repository with less crusty tomcat on google. |
| 01:16.56 | bronaugh | Poison[BLX]: yeah, this is true. I'd still start with Sid. |
| 01:17.24 | kjp2 | Hello everyone. I'm experiencing a bit of an interesting problem. we're using dnsmasq and have discovered that despite the docs referring to the ability to serve out multiple "networks" of IP's in DHCP, it in fact will only do one. Anyone else experencing this ? |
| 01:17.24 | b0nghitter | should i be using irqbalance on a quad core xeon? |
| 01:17.30 | bronaugh | if it works, then you can try the same config on one of the less sketchy debian versions and fix up what breaks. |
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| 01:18.59 | Ruum | bronaugh, I think I found it here: |
| 01:19.01 | Ruum | http://tomcat.apache.org/svn.html |
| 01:19.11 | Ruum | but I am using lenny |
| 01:19.24 | Ruum | although the box has subversion on it already |
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| 01:19.59 | BassT | multi_io: what can I do? |
| 01:20.14 | cast | testing isn't much behind sid, though |
| 01:20.26 | Poison[BLX] | bronaugh: true... and I'm in no way afraid of breaking things... I started out playing with that combo on slackware, but... well, openvz's not particularly 'slack-friendly'... (and RPMs aren't me-friendly) ... and off the install goes. |
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| 01:21.04 | bronaugh | Ruum: there's a tomcat6 package in lenny. |
| 01:21.21 | Ruum | is that the name of it? |
| 01:21.30 | Ruum | I just need the name |
| 01:21.40 | bronaugh | apt-cache search tomcat |
| 01:21.46 | Ruum | kk thanks |
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| 01:22.09 | Ruum | also, how do I install a package in a certain place? |
| 01:22.28 | bronaugh | you don't. |
| 01:22.30 | Ruum | a certain directory I mean |
| 01:22.48 | bronaugh | if you need to have multiple copies of the same sw installed the best way to do it is with a chroot. |
| 01:22.49 | babilen | Ruum: Why would you want to override the default location? |
| 01:23.05 | Ruum | because tomcat need to be installed here: |
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| 01:23.35 | Ruum | "/usr/lib/jvm" which is where java is installed |
| 01:23.37 | transistor | thanks for you help guys, it seems to be resyncing without problems, yay! |
| 01:23.38 | babilen | Ruum: Why is that? And do you suggest that tomcat6 as packaged by Debian is buggy? |
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| 01:23.43 | transistor | thanks again, bye |
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| 01:23.46 | bronaugh | Ruum: uh. |
| 01:23.54 | bronaugh | Ruum: why are you not using the java packages in debian? |
| 01:23.55 | Ruum | haha ok ok.... good point |
| 01:24.06 | Ruum | I am :-) |
| 01:24.15 | bronaugh | then... it'll likely work. out of the box. |
| 01:24.15 | Ruum | I used apt-get |
| 01:24.22 | bronaugh | and you're overcomplicating things. |
| 01:24.22 | Ruum | kk cool |
| 01:25.12 | babilen | Ruum: Just install tomcat6 and come back if you actually run into problems. You typically don't have to care about installation locations as they should be chosen to be compatible with the rest of the Debian infrastructure |
| 01:25.25 | babilen | and apart from that: |
| 01:25.29 | babilen | !why aptitude |
| 01:25.29 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 01:25.34 | babilen | !why not aptitude |
| 01:25.34 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases. |
| 01:25.41 | babilen | pick your poison :) |
| 01:26.45 | bronaugh | got stupid packages building. |
| 01:26.52 | bronaugh | takes a crap on fortran |
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| 01:30.08 | kjp2 | Anyone know how to get dnsmasq to serve up dhcp addresses in multiple ranges ? |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | dnsmasq .. dhcp .. |
| 01:31.50 | kjp2 | yeah |
| 01:31.56 | kjp2 | it doesn't look like it's able to do it |
| 01:32.04 | kjp2 | unless there are several full "networks" |
| 01:32.04 | Poison[BLX] | kjp2: that, with any dhcp server, depends a lot on how you're identifying your clients to ID what range it *should* be given an address from. |
| 01:32.39 | Poison[BLX] | kjp2: I've worked with dnsmasq a good bit, but haven't had a need to play with that side of it much |
| 01:32.47 | kjp2 | Poison[BLX]: our network admins gave us 150-249, and 20-120 |
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| 01:33.01 | kjp2 | but dnsmasq will only use the first defined range 150-249 |
| 01:33.06 | kjp2 | adn we're out of IP's |
| 01:34.08 | sweetpi | should be able to tag the dhcp ranges |
| 01:34.13 | kjp2 | Poison[BLX]: any ideas? |
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| 01:34.22 | kjp2 | sweetpi: yeah but these are dynamically fired up vm's |
| 01:34.32 | kjp2 | and I can't configured 100 of them on the fly with a different tag |
| 01:35.16 | sweetpi | you just want to add 20-120 to the network right? |
| 01:35.41 | bronaugh | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libnetcdf6 |
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| 01:35.42 | bronaugh | ok, what the fark. |
| 01:35.49 | kjp2 | sweetpi: yep |
| 01:36.00 | bronaugh | this says that libnetcdf6 does not depend on libnetcdf4, but apparently the one I build just dose. |
| 01:36.04 | bronaugh | does |
| 01:36.05 | bronaugh | despite stock config. |
| 01:36.08 | bronaugh | GRRRRRRR |
| 01:36.50 | kjp2 | sweetpi: I was thinking of telling it to use 20-249, and then tag 121-149 for static.... |
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| 01:37.22 | bronaugh | ok, how the hell does this happen? |
| 01:37.29 | bronaugh | it's right there in the generated control file. |
| 01:37.53 | sweetpi | kjp2: i havent tested this but you should just be able to do something like dhcp-range=tag:!foo, newrange |
| 01:38.31 | kjp2 | does it matter if I don't submit a tag with the dhcp request ? |
| 01:38.34 | Ruum | hey guys I think I found it: |
| 01:38.39 | Ruum | http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/tomcat6 |
| 01:38.47 | Ruum | and the URL for the repository is: |
| 01:38.49 | BassT | Oh help me please :( |
| 01:38.59 | Ruum | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/tomcat6 |
| 01:39.03 | Ruum | correct? |
| 01:39.23 | sweetpi | kjp2: im not sure if this would even work.. but the point was that foo wasnt set |
| 01:40.18 | kjp2 | sweetpi: that foo wasn't set? so the actual config line should look like dhcp-range=172.16.14.150,172.16.14.249,1200 |
| 01:40.18 | kjp2 | dhcp-range=tag:,172.16.14.20,172.16.14.120,1200 |
| 01:40.32 | bronaugh | Ruum: sounds viable at least. |
| 01:40.37 | bronaugh | figure out how to add that into your sources.list file. |
| 01:40.45 | sweetpi | kjp2: according to the docs, you should just be able to add another range though |
| 01:41.09 | kjp2 | sweetpi: that was my impression as well |
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| 01:41.22 | kjp2 | sweetpi: but it clearly doesn't work. I don't understand what the point of tagging is... |
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| 01:41.51 | Ruum | ok bronaugh, what do I add at the end this? : |
| 01:42.10 | sweetpi | kjp2: with tags, you could set certain clients to use a specific range |
| 01:42.23 | Ruum | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/tomcat6 lenny main contrib non-free ? |
| 01:42.26 | bronaugh | Ruum: dunno, got other stuff to do. sorry. |
| 01:42.37 | bronaugh | it can depend on the repository. |
| 01:42.40 | kjp2 | sweetpi: is that done through the dhcp request from the client ? or ... ? |
| 01:42.40 | bronaugh | see if there's instructions. |
| 01:42.46 | Ruum | kk |
| 01:42.56 | sweetpi | kjp2: for instance i have all virtual machines is a specific range |
| 01:43.09 | sweetpi | s/is/in/ |
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| 01:43.35 | kjp2 | sweetpi: right but how's that done from the client end ? |
| 01:43.52 | sweetpi | kjp2: you can do it many ways, for instance dhcp-host and a mac filter |
| 01:44.10 | kjp2 | dhcp-host ? |
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| 01:45.17 | sweetpi | kjp2: here is one line i have, dhcp-host=net:vbox, 08:00:27:*:*:* |
| 01:45.50 | kjp2 | sweetpi: yeah, the problem is all of our vm's are going to have the same vendor class of mac address |
| 01:46.30 | Ruum | lol that is the problem I dont see any instructions anywhere on that site |
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| 01:46.52 | Ruum | and google might lead me in a totally different path |
| 01:47.18 | sweetpi | kjp2: so you have tried multiple dhcp-range lines and it didnt work? |
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| 01:49.04 | BassT | where can I find the apt-config? |
| 01:49.23 | kjp2 | sweetpi: yeah, let me pastebin the config lines |
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| 01:50.32 | kjp2 | sweetpi: http://pastebin.com/jJb35Q6J |
| 01:50.39 | sparr | How do I kill a defunct process? |
| 01:50.48 | Dassu | kill -9 |
| 01:50.52 | sparr | it's already killed |
| 01:50.54 | kjp2 | sparr kill -9 PID |
| 01:50.59 | kjp2 | so it's a zombie ? |
| 01:51.00 | sparr | it turned <defunct> after I did that |
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| 01:51.49 | BassT | or how to configure the connection that apt uses |
| 01:52.02 | Ruum | is anyone willing to tell me if this is the correct way to install the repository? |
| 01:52.04 | Ruum | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/tomcat6 lenny main contrib non-free |
| 01:52.17 | kjp2 | Ruum: just add it and run apt-get update |
| 01:52.23 | kjp2 | if it works, you've set it correctly |
| 01:52.37 | Ruum | kk |
| 01:52.39 | abrotman | BassT: you mean the sources? man sources.list, see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ and also debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 01:52.41 | kjp2 | but Rumm |
| 01:52.44 | kjp2 | thats not a valid repo |
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| 01:53.02 | BassT | abrotman: no, apt uses a proxy with a wrong port number |
| 01:53.05 | kjp2 | sweetpi: anything wrong with that ? |
| 01:53.15 | BassT | i want to change that, but there is no apt.conf in /etc/apt |
| 01:53.20 | abrotman | BassT: man apt.conf or look at the examples |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | so create one |
| 01:53.47 | sweetpi | kjp2: im searching, but everything i see states that multiple dhcp-ranges for a single network work |
| 01:53.57 | kjp2 | yeah |
| 01:54.04 | kjp2 | I'm wondering if it's some bug in the lenny version |
| 01:54.09 | kjp2 | I initially started out bug hunting |
| 01:54.36 | sweetpi | kjp2: how do you know they dont work? dhcp exhaustion? |
| 01:54.37 | nsadmin | is there a way to get aptitude or apt-get to write an apt.conf that has the defaults set (maybe commented out) or better, the current settings? |
| 01:55.04 | kjp2 | sweetpi: yeah, it stops handing out Ip's to the virtual machines after hitting 249 |
| 01:55.25 | sweetpi | , versions dnsmasq |
| 01:55.26 | judd | dnsmasq -- etch: 2.35-1+etch4; etch-security: 2.35-1+etch4; etch-backports: 2.45-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.45-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.45-1+lenny1; sid: 2.55-1; squeeze: 2.55-1 |
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| 01:56.00 | kjp2 | using 2.45-1+lenny1 |
| 01:56.17 | nsadmin | maybe you should go for a 172* address, with two bytes for hosts |
| 01:56.28 | Ruum | kjp2, it got nearly done and now it froze |
| 01:56.30 | Ruum | :-( |
| 01:56.39 | Ruum | I will show output |
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| 01:56.55 | kjp2 | nsadmin: the full ip is 72.16.14.249 |
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| 01:57.21 | nsadmin | 72? or 172? |
| 01:57.28 | kjp2 | nsadmin: er. 172. sorry |
| 01:57.41 | nsadmin | ahh, so you're already doing that... what's your netmask? |
| 01:57.54 | nsadmin | and what netmask does the dhcp server assume? |
| 01:58.08 | kjp2 | nsadmin: the problem is that the lower range never gets served. |
| 01:58.14 | kjp2 | I'm not sure what the netmask is. |
| 01:58.48 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/reBnR8BZ |
| 01:58.51 | nsadmin | you can set your netmask to whatever... but the most common for 172* addresses is 255.255.0.0 |
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| 01:59.20 | Ruum | so it froze now what? |
| 01:59.24 | linuxwizard | Hi, where can I find RPM packages for debian? |
| 01:59.38 | nsadmin | you can't/don't |
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| 01:59.54 | nsadmin | you should either install .debs or compile from source |
| 01:59.57 | Guest11627 | nsadmin: how so? I see plenty of RPMS on rpmfind.net, just wonderign where to get more ;) |
| 02:00.05 | nsadmin | rpms will not work |
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| 02:00.22 | Guest11627 | nsadmin: I have a linux book, it says linux uses rpm package |
| 02:00.32 | sweetpi | kjp2: not sure why it isnt working. like you said though, the other range should be marked static. that should take care of it |
| 02:00.32 | cast | your book sucks |
| 02:00.45 | Guest11627 | cast: have you even read it? linux for dummies. it must be out of your league. |
| 02:00.46 | nsadmin | ok, so some explanation is in order |
| 02:00.51 | kjp2 | sweetpi: ok, I'm going to try that. |
| 02:00.54 | Ruum | lol what is going on guys? |
| 02:01.27 | Guest11627 | it says there are 2 editors and 2 desktop environments. should I use vi and gnome, emacs and gnome, kde and vi, or kde and emacs? |
| 02:01.29 | nsadmin | Guest11627, so you have an operating system and it can have packages... yes? |
| 02:01.30 | Guest11627 | what is the best combo? |
| 02:01.43 | cast | !troll |
| 02:01.43 | nsadmin | whatever you prefer |
| 02:01.43 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
| 02:01.49 | Guest11627 | nsadmin: i haev linux, what is an operating system? |
| 02:02.14 | LtL | Guest11627: rpm is primarily redhat package management, you can use 'alien' to convert them to .deb but i wouldn't advise it. |
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| 02:02.29 | nsadmin | windows, macos, linux combined with the typical tools, those are all operating systems |
| 02:02.36 | Guest11627 | cast: yes u are a troll "<cast> your book sucks" you know I paid 19.95 for that book. it was hard earned money. |
| 02:02.45 | Guest11627 | lucky it was in the bargain bin. |
| 02:02.46 | Guest11627 | geez. |
| 02:03.06 | nsadmin | if it offers you good information, it's good |
| 02:03.12 | Guest11627 | LtL: i don't see alien in my book. so i am not going to mess with it. |
| 02:03.28 | nsadmin | consider the target audience of the book tho... it' |
| 02:03.31 | Ruum | nsadmin |
| 02:03.39 | Ruum | hows it going? |
| 02:03.51 | Guest11627 | the book said a good place to get help was freenode irc |
| 02:03.51 | nsadmin | s meant for newcomers, and doesn't assume you've chosen debian |
| 02:04.23 | Guest11627 | I try to read man pages but when I type "man xxxxx" in the run box it disappears nothing comes up |
| 02:04.30 | Poison[BLX] | kjp2: One thing, and this is entirely an off the cuff, and likely pointless, but just one thing that comes to mind... try switching the order of the range definitions you have, so the lower range preceeds the higher. If dnsmasq is breaking in a sane fasion, it should exhaust the lower range and fail again, but it may not be. |
| 02:04.34 | Guest11627 | i hit alt + f2 |
| 02:04.38 | Guest11627 | then i type man man |
| 02:04.40 | Guest11627 | i see nothingh |
| 02:04.49 | Ruum | whom are you talking to nsadmin ? |
| 02:05.01 | nsadmin | nsadmin: me! |
| 02:05.07 | gnarface | Guest11627: screenshots or it didn't happen |
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| 02:05.20 | Guest11627 | gnarface: how to capture a screenshot? |
| 02:05.42 | gnarface | Guest11627: that's a great question |
| 02:05.50 | Guest11627 | also how can a screenshot do justice to that concept... |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | !screenshot |
| 02:05.52 | dpkg | To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots |
| 02:06.00 | Guest11627 | wouldn't i need a screen vid? |
| 02:06.19 | Guest11627 | can you get me an RPM to install screenshot software? |
| 02:06.38 | gnarface | Guest11627: i think what you need is to find a channel dedicated to an RPM based linux distro |
| 02:06.51 | Guest11627 | I use debian as my distro |
| 02:06.58 | Guest11627 | I just need an rpm, i already have a distro |
| 02:07.08 | gnarface | you do not need an RPM if you are using debian |
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| 02:07.35 | Guest11627 | then how am I going to install software/ |
| 02:07.37 | Guest11627 | i want to use emacs |
| 02:07.42 | MxyzHome | pulling your leg he is, said yoda... |
| 02:07.45 | LtL | Guest11627: install man-db |
| 02:07.47 | babilen | Guest11627: Debian does not use RPM packages, but .deb packages. RPM and .deb are two different packaging systems ... |
| 02:08.04 | Guest11627 | LtL, i just type that into alt+f2 run box, noting comes up? |
| 02:08.23 | abrotman | !reference |
| 02:08.23 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 02:08.25 | babilen | Guest11627: And you can install software with "aptitude install pkg" and search for it with "aptitude search searchterm" |
| 02:08.28 | babilen | !reference |
| 02:08.43 | babilen | Guest11627: You should read the Debian reference ^^^^ |
| 02:08.44 | Guest11627 | babilen: i don't have aptitude installed. do you know where I can get an RPM for it? |
| 02:08.53 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 02:08.58 | gnarface | Guest11627: NOTHING? like, NOTHING nothing? does the text already on the page disappear completely? does the command prompt disappear too? |
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| 02:09.13 | nsadmin | if you want to use rpm packages, you should install fedora... |
| 02:09.16 | Guest11627 | gnarface: YES! that's exactly what happens. What do i do now? |
| 02:09.24 | gnarface | Guest11627: shoot yourself |
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| 02:09.29 | MxyzHome | dudes, he's having fun with you, can't you just tell... |
| 02:09.36 | gnarface | Guest11627: wait don't do that. |
| 02:09.49 | gnarface | Guest11627: use emacs and e16. gnome sucks and kde is worse |
| 02:09.50 | Poison[BLX] | sighs at the troll feeding. |
| 02:09.54 | Guest11627 | gnarface: wouldn't it be more painful to install software using RPM than to shoot myself? |
| 02:10.01 | Guest11627 | Why don't you threaten that instead? |
| 02:10.15 | LtL | Guest11627: in a terminal, as root aptitude install man-db |
| 02:10.34 | gnarface | Guest11627: do you really have a problem with your debian system that we can help you with, or is your problem a mental one? |
| 02:10.36 | Guest11627 | in a terminal type $echo "I have been trolled, lol" |
| 02:10.36 | Poison[BLX] | Guest11627: they did, they told you to use Fedora already! |
| 02:11.01 | Guest11627 | I knew I could troll this place on RPMs. |
| 02:11.08 | Guest11627 | You are all my victims! |
| 02:11.13 | nsadmin | Guest11627: debian does not use rpms, period. alien might work, but you are better off completely forgetting about it |
| 02:11.15 | gnarface | shoots himself |
| 02:11.37 | MxyzHome | c'mon, if you're going to troll them like that don't use "echo" as your punch line, replace them with a pearl script, or be as lame... |
| 02:11.37 | Guest11627 | Seriously, I would troll ubuntu but they are too easy. |
| 02:11.42 | Guest11627 | I needed someone more intelligent to troll. |
| 02:11.52 | Guest11627 | Feel flattered :) |
| 02:12.04 | gnarface | troll #debianppc they're bored and lonely in there. |
| 02:12.06 | sweetpi | Guest11627: i tried that, but i got "-bash: I have been trolled, lol: command not found", can you help me install a rpm for that? |
| 02:12.06 | nsadmin | flattens Guest11627 |
| 02:12.30 | kjp2 | sweetpi: I could have sworn i saw a directive for ignoring a certian range but now i can't find it |
| 02:12.31 | Guest11627 | gnarface: i'll try i guess. |
| 02:12.39 | Poison[BLX] | chuckles. |
| 02:12.48 | nsadmin | FINE. |
| 02:12.57 | nsadmin | !ops Guest11627 troll |
| 02:12.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: Guest11627 troll |
| 02:13.04 | abrotman | Guest11627: knock it off |
| 02:13.16 | Guest11627 | EYE AM A TROLL! |
| 02:13.18 | gnarface | lolol |
| 02:13.23 | MxyzHome | well, too much stupid unimportant things to do to waste time here... |
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| 02:13.27 | dvs | c ya |
| 02:13.28 | babilen | Guest11627: There might be better uses for your (and in particular our) time. Thanks for wasting it. Think about it. Goodbye |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | Guest11627: please go play somewhere else, people actually need help here |
| 02:13.37 | gnarface | you guys missed it but he just posted this to #debianppc: Hi, I am trying to install debian ppc on an ibm thinkpad but I am getting errors. Help please? |
| 02:13.53 | sweetpi | kjp2: you mean for static? should be something like dhcp-range=range-start, range-end, static |
| 02:13.58 | nsadmin | he needs help too, but we're not trained for what he needs |
| 02:14.03 | Guest11627 | But no one is responding, because no one uses debian ppc. |
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| 02:14.13 | Guest11627 | like 5 people, I used to use it when the channel had like 50 people.... |
| 02:14.16 | kjp2 | i use debian ppc |
| 02:14.23 | gnarface | Guest11627: i'm sure there's at least still 10-12 people in the world using debianppc |
| 02:14.26 | kjp2 | slides back under the table. |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | Guest11627: try the one on OFTC |
| 02:14.29 | Guest11627 | ok so maybe theres a few more than I thought. |
| 02:14.44 | Guest11627 | abrotman: i am done trolling now, I've had enough. |
| 02:14.46 | babilen | gnarface: We have around 40 machines @uni that run on debian-ppc |
| 02:14.56 | civillian | Gaah where has bitchx gone in squeeze? |
| 02:14.58 | Guest11627 | You can only troll for so long. |
| 02:15.07 | gnarface | babilen: interesting. g4 systems? |
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| 02:15.14 | babilen | gnarface: yeah |
| 02:15.14 | nsadmin | civillian: bitchx is like 10 years old |
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| 02:15.22 | kjp2 | sweetpi: I only have one occurence of static |
| 02:15.28 | dondelelcaro | civillian: you're better off using irssi or possibly xchat |
| 02:15.29 | gnarface | babilen: does emacs recognize your alt-key in X? |
| 02:15.45 | Guest11627 | I like that bitchx shows all messages from all channels in one streamlined winodw |
| 02:15.47 | Guest11627 | window* |
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| 02:15.50 | wizardyesterday | I have Debian installed on a system that does not have access to the Internet |
| 02:15.56 | civillian | nsadmin, I used to love bitchx and I'd like it as a secondary IRC client |
| 02:15.58 | Guest11627 | that way you don't need to switch tabs to see if anything worth while was said |
| 02:15.58 | gnarface | Guest11627: i like that xchat does NOT do that |
| 02:16.05 | civillian | dondelelcaro, I'm on Xchat now and I like |
| 02:16.08 | wizardyesterday | Is there any sort of document/URL that indicates which packages is stored on which CD? |
| 02:16.11 | nsadmin | wizardyesterday: ok |
| 02:16.12 | civillian | just wanted a second |
| 02:16.12 | sweetpi | kjp2: what are your range lines now? |
| 02:16.19 | wizardyesterday | For example I want to find the Debian CD that has tcpdump on it |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | !tell wizardyesterday about cd contents |
| 02:16.38 | Guest11627 | I actually use xchat, irssi, or freenode's webchat usually. but I used to use bitchx when I had slackware, a long freaking time ago. |
| 02:16.40 | civillian | nsadmin, anyway vi is older than that and it's still usec |
| 02:16.42 | civillian | used* |
| 02:16.43 | babilen | gnarface: I haven't tried it, as I typically carry my thinkpad around. If you are interested i could have a look tomorrow |
| 02:16.50 | Guest11627 | civillian: vim* is still used. |
| 02:16.50 | kjp2 | sweetpi: i haven't changed them yet because i don't want to screw this up. that range we're not to use --it includes the dnsmasq server... |
| 02:16.54 | wizardyesterday | abrotman: I shall google it some more :) |
| 02:16.56 | wizardyesterday | thank you |
| 02:16.57 | gnarface | wizardyesterday: i take it you need this for systems that do not have a network connection to the outside world? |
| 02:17.03 | Guest11627 | civillian: but even older things are still used, like condoms. |
| 02:17.09 | Arrowmaster | civillian: well it still gets updated, does bitchx? |
| 02:17.10 | Guest11627 | those are not very new technology either. |
| 02:17.26 | wizardyesterday | gnarface, correct... the system is installed on a closed network for which a connected Internet is not allowed |
| 02:17.39 | wizardyesterday | Hence the CD option |
| 02:17.52 | craigevil | !bitchx |
| 02:17.52 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. |
| 02:17.53 | gnarface | babilen: it's not super important but i'm having that problem with my old g4 powerbook and everything else (finally) works... even xev shows the alt-key being pressed, and emacs works outside of X so i'm not sure what the problem is and nobody in #debianppc knows either |
| 02:18.11 | civillian | aww |
| 02:18.21 | wizardyesterday | Thanks anyway.... I'll continue my quest |
| 02:18.26 | civillian | unmaintained :( |
| 02:18.28 | civillian | fail |
| 02:18.28 | babilen | gnarface: Ask me tomorrow (in ~6+ hours) ... i'll have a look |
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| 02:18.42 | gnarface | wizardyesterday: if you are going to make this a habit you might want to consider setting up a private mirror |
| 02:18.53 | Guest11627 | civillian: compile that shit, you can maintain it yourself. it's not that much c code. just a little IRC toy. |
| 02:19.16 | civillian | Guest11627, hehe yeah not a bad idea |
| 02:19.20 | Arrowmaster | except for the known security issues |
| 02:19.22 | Ruum | guys I tried to add a new repository and then I tried to do an update, and now its almost done but it froze |
| 02:19.29 | craigevil | Guest11627: compiliing it wouldnt fix the known security issues |
| 02:19.36 | kjp2 | ruum: why did it freeze? |
| 02:19.39 | cast | civillian: don't use unmaintained things. |
| 02:19.40 | nsadmin | Guest11627: well, what do you know... you actually -are- in service |
| 02:19.43 | Guest11627 | Arrowmaster: hence maintain it yourself. Anyone could fix the security issues after learning a bit of C. |
| 02:20.03 | cast | Guest11627: no. |
| 02:20.04 | Ruum | http://pastebin.com/reBnR8BZ |
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| 02:20.09 | Guest11627 | cast: yeah. |
| 02:20.52 | Ruum | that is what it was stuck on |
| 02:20.52 | Arrowmaster | what about the unknown ones? that dont have patches available for? how are you going to find then fix those |
| 02:20.52 | kjp2 | ruum try it again |
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| 02:20.52 | Ruum | I had to do a CRTL+C to get it to stop |
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| 02:20.53 | Guest11627 | cast: the prerequisite knowledge to write a clone of bitchx is just C, unix sockets, ncurses, and maybe some parallelism. |
| 02:21.06 | Guest11627 | anyone could replicate bitchx with a few months of focused effort. |
| 02:21.16 | abrotman | would it be just as bad? |
| 02:21.19 | nsadmin | probably less than that |
| 02:21.19 | Guest11627 | Yes. |
| 02:21.20 | Ruum | I just did kjp2 and its stuck on the same thing :-( |
| 02:21.25 | alpharesearch | i try to package for the first time and I have some issues with the package.manpages file |
| 02:21.36 | kjp2 | ruum, if you remove your new repo does it work again ? |
| 02:21.38 | tuv | why bother when you have irssi? |
| 02:21.39 | cast | Guest11627: at least 2 of those topics there which require a high degree of proficiency in order to do right |
| 02:21.44 | Ruum | kk I will do that. |
| 02:21.52 | cast | Guest11627: 'anyone' and 'a bit of C' just doesn't cut it |
| 02:21.53 | sweetpi | kjp2: according to the docs, you can exclude a range like i said. but then again they also say you can have multiple ranges in a network :p |
| 02:22.06 | babilen | !tell alpharesearch -about mentors |
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| 02:22.19 | kjp2 | sweetpi: can you show me an example of how to exclude a range, and where you read it in the docs? I've been searching the docs ! |
| 02:22.32 | nsadmin | cast: but if you understand C as much as the author of "The C Companion", something like that would be easy |
| 02:22.45 | babilen | alpharesearch: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.net is the main channel for packaging related questions/problems |
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| 02:23.08 | Guest11627 | cast: In 2 months you could read k&r, AUP2, a data structures and algorithms book, and unix network programming by stevens. That's enough knowledge to write bitchx. Ok, so maybe total dev time is 4-5 months. |
| 02:23.12 | sweetpi | kjp2: i cant find an exact example, only whole networks. give me a min and ill test it locally |
| 02:23.13 | alpharesearch | babilen: thank you |
| 02:23.17 | Guest11627 | I still think ANYONE who put their mind do it could do it. |
| 02:23.26 | Guest11627 | programming ain't rocket surgery ya know |
| 02:23.30 | kjp2 | sweetpi: you are a wonderful person |
| 02:23.33 | nsadmin | Guest11627: not everyone can do that |
| 02:23.44 | Ruum | yes |
| 02:23.50 | Guest11627 | everyone who doesn't have brain damage and genuinely wants to do it can. |
| 02:24.00 | Guest11627 | they also need a computer and freedom |
| 02:24.05 | Guest11627 | i admit there are some snags. |
| 02:24.08 | Ruum | it now works kjp2 |
| 02:24.10 | nsadmin | and it's not that they actually can't (as in "blocked from") as much as don't know how, or don't want to |
| 02:24.20 | kjp2 | Ruum: remember when I told you that it wasn't a valid repo ? |
| 02:24.24 | kjp2 | Ruum: I meant it. |
| 02:24.30 | kjp2 | what are you trying to do ? |
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| 02:24.48 | Ruum | I am trying to get a lenny tomcat6 repo |
| 02:24.52 | cast | Guest11627: eh...none of those are trivial books. but sure, in 5 months full time i'd believe one could clone bitchx :) |
| 02:24.53 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:24.55 | nsadmin | Guest11627: yes, and your last point is key: genuinely wants to |
| 02:24.58 | kjp2 | Ruum: why ? |
| 02:25.03 | abrotman | Ruum: what's wrong with tomcat5 that is in lenny already? |
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| 02:25.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: stop feeding |
| 02:25.13 | Guest11627 | nsadmin: well I assume from the start someone would have to want to do it. |
| 02:25.20 | Ruum | because tomcat 5.5 is very old now |
| 02:25.21 | kjp2 | Ruum: first hit on google: http://www.itoperationz.com/tag/lenny-tomcat-howto/ |
| 02:25.33 | Guest11627 | you wanna compile and maintain your own archaic software. more power to you |
| 02:25.33 | nsadmin | not necessarily a good assumption |
| 02:25.46 | cast | Guest11627: turns out its much easier to...switch to irssi! |
| 02:25.54 | kjp2 | Ruum: why not follow the directions on the howto page? |
| 02:26.01 | Guest11627 | cast: but I read bitchx was the 1337 !?!? |
| 02:26.14 | nsadmin | that would be a troll :P |
| 02:26.21 | nsadmin | it was in its day |
| 02:26.25 | gnarface | 199 |
| 02:26.27 | gnarface | 9 |
| 02:26.30 | Guest11627 | Now the leetest thing is freenode web chat |
| 02:26.37 | Ruum | the kk done :-) |
| 02:26.41 | kjp2 | gnarface: nah, it's day was may 24th, 1998 |
| 02:26.50 | gnarface | haha |
| 02:27.04 | kjp2 | that was *the* day it was useful |
| 02:27.29 | nsadmin | if you only knew how much money there is to be made doing this kind of stuff... |
| 02:27.41 | kjp2 | nsadmin: what kind of stuff? |
| 02:28.06 | nsadmin | mostly application programming |
| 02:28.16 | kjp2 | nsadmin: ah, I know exactly what you mean. |
| 02:28.22 | kjp2 | only i have a small dnsmasq problem ;) |
| 02:28.36 | Guest11627 | nsadmin: we are in the middle of an application programming gold rush on the verge of a bubble-bursting. |
| 02:28.42 | Guest11627 | nsadmin: see android market. |
| 02:29.08 | nsadmin | isn't android java? and isn't it limited to one provider |
| 02:29.40 | Guest11627 | no, it's several providers. Yes it's java, but it's not j2me and most java guys will tell you sharply "android is not java!" |
| 02:29.50 | Guest11627 | it's a different vm, so not truly.. but I consider it java. |
| 02:30.04 | nsadmin | so it's java with a different set of classes |
| 02:30.26 | Guest11627 | You get a lot of the regular java classes, but not j2me stuff, and you get the android framework. |
| 02:30.35 | Guest11627 | so more or less, yes. |
| 02:31.22 | gnarface | just wants a cheap phone that can run emacs |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | Guest11627: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 02:31.47 | Guest11627 | wonders how gnarface is going to hit c-x c-f comfortably using only his thumbs. |
| 02:32.02 | Guest11627 | abrotman: no, but if you want to ban me you know where the button is. |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman | Guest11627: please be quiet, or just go away |
| 02:32.28 | Guest11627 | ah, you don't have the magic button i see. |
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| 02:32.36 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.203.86.24] by dondelelcaro |
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| 02:33.01 | nsadmin | but someone does... |
| 02:33.22 | Ruum | hey kjp2 lol I got a 404 when I tried to wget that file |
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| 02:33.38 | kjp2 | Ruum: show some adaptability |
| 02:33.44 | notYourAverageTr | Hi guys |
| 02:33.53 | babilen | ... guess who is back |
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| 02:34.00 | notYourAverageTr | What? |
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| 02:34.08 | abrotman | claps |
| 02:34.24 | Ruum | huh? in other words dude, that file is not there |
| 02:34.38 | kjp2 | Ruum: yes, I know what a 404 is. |
| 02:34.41 | kjp2 | sigh. |
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| 02:34.47 | kjp2 | I was asking you to try and find the file |
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| 02:34.57 | kjp2 | in this case it doesn't exist because that version isn't hosted any more |
| 02:34.59 | kjp2 | try this one |
| 02:35.01 | gnarface | hahaa |
| 02:35.12 | gnarface | he just came in here to troll us because he's lonely and he loves us. is that so wrong? |
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| 02:35.31 | kjp2 | http://apache.imsam.info/tomcat/tomcat-6/v6.0.29/bin/apache-tomcat-6.0.29.tar.gz |
| 02:35.49 | nsadmin | that would be OK except for one thing... WE'RE WORKING HERE... |
| 02:35.58 | gnarface | fair enough |
| 02:36.15 | zebradog | hi |
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| 02:36.31 | kjp2 | is happy to answer questions while waiting for sweetpi to asnwer his |
| 02:37.24 | nsadmin | kjp2: good luck! that has -never- worked for me... if I asked a question then started helping, my question would never get answered |
| 02:37.43 | kjp2 | I hope sweetpi is testing |
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| 02:37.58 | dondelelcaro | kjp2: is there any reason why you're not installing the tomcat and libapache2-mod-jk packages? |
| 02:37.59 | sweetpi | kjp2: testing, and failing |
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| 02:38.19 | kjp2 | dondelelcaro: dude, i have nothing to do with tomcat. |
| 02:38.27 | kjp2 | Ruum is the tomcat needy fella |
| 02:38.33 | kjp2 | sweetpi: I was afraid of that. |
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| 02:38.39 | Ruum | that it is |
| 02:39.05 | sweetpi | kjp2: i cant seem to get it to exclude anything, still testing though |
| 02:39.10 | Ruum | it demands ALOT of attention when you are setting it up :-/ |
| 02:39.23 | kjp2 | sweetpi: can you get it to handle two ip ranges? |
| 02:39.24 | nsadmin | a lot of things do |
| 02:39.50 | nsadmin | kjp2: a dhcp server? yes |
| 02:40.03 | sweetpi | kjp2: ill check |
| 02:40.06 | kjp2 | nsadmin: dnsmasq in particular |
| 02:40.31 | multi_io | got his scanner to work |
| 02:41.13 | nsadmin | oh, dunno about that, never used it... my recommendation would be to run a name server on one of the internal boxes and get the dhcp server to provide the ip of it |
| 02:41.29 | zebradog | anyone knows this, sorry if it sounds dumb, but can exim4-light-daemon listen to port 25, (everything works locally) |
| 02:41.36 | kjp2 | yeah, i'm starting to believe we'll have to switch to dhcp3 |
| 02:41.48 | zebradog | (i see *:25 being listened to, but smtp/pop users cannot connect) |
| 02:41.55 | kjp2 | sweetpi: any luck? my wife is calling me to bed. |
| 02:42.11 | sweetpi | kjp2: it did indeed handle both ranges |
| 02:42.22 | kjp2 | sweetpi: can you show me the config lines ? |
| 02:42.32 | gnarface | zebradog: yes but by default it only listens to port 25 on the loopback ip. you should try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:42.35 | gps23 | how do i delete the nds cache in debian? |
| 02:42.43 | gps23 | s/nds/dns |
| 02:42.56 | nsadmin | restart the dns server? |
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| 02:43.24 | zebradog | gnarface, yep.. i know it works for me with the non-light weight package.. |
| 02:43.24 | gps23 | nsadmin: whereis its written nscd, but i don't have it |
| 02:43.26 | sweetpi | kjp2: dhcp-range=192.168.2.100, 192.168.2.101 and dhcp-range=192.168.2.102, 192.168.2.103 |
| 02:44.06 | gnarface | zebradog: just run the config and answer "internet site" when it asks what type of mail server this is. |
| 02:44.19 | nsadmin | sweetpi, so it's capable of serving four addresses? |
| 02:44.23 | dondelelcaro | gps23: unless you're running your own dns server or nscd, you're not caching DNS requests |
| 02:44.44 | sweetpi | nsadmin: lol, it was to test if it would handle 2 lines of dhcp-range |
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| 02:45.13 | nsadmin | I got that a few secs after hitting enter :) |
| 02:45.20 | gps23 | dondelelcaro: you mean i won't even be caching dns replies for the request i make? |
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| 02:47.20 | Tramp | gps23: not unless the application making the request is caching it by itself |
| 02:47.45 | gnarface | os x is notorious for caching dns requests when you least expect it |
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| 02:48.35 | gnarface | also firefox/iceweasel i believe still to this day cache dns requests until you restart them |
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| 02:49.33 | Tramp | gnarface: afaik only for a limited amount of time (in the order of a few minutes) |
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| 02:50.41 | gnarface | Tramp: never waited that long after updating records on my dns server so i wouldn't know. |
| 02:51.32 | gps23 | Tramp: Oh, it clears my doubt. thanks |
| 02:51.42 | Tramp | yw |
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| 03:38.00 | roe | can I find out what speed ram I have in my system and how many slots are free/used without opening the case? |
| 03:38.11 | dondelelcaro | roe: dmidecode is your friend |
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| 03:39.26 | roe | dondelelcaro, wow, lots of info |
| 03:40.02 | km | with 64bit gcc compiler flag for configure? is -m64? |
| 03:40.02 | zebradog | roe, so much more fun opening the case |
| 03:40.19 | km | what is 64bit flag? |
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| 03:40.26 | roe | zebradog, the whole bending thing is too much work atm |
| 03:42.19 | roe | nice, if I am reading it correctly, 2x1GB ddr 533 |
| 03:42.27 | roe | with two empty slots |
| 03:43.39 | zebradog | roe, bart simpson told me to tell you to get bent.. |
| 03:43.58 | roe | I don't know him |
| 03:44.03 | dondelelcaro | roe: now, it's possible that dmidecode is wrong, and you don't actually have four slots, but it's normally the case |
| 03:44.17 | dondelelcaro | (motherboard manufacturers have been known to take shortcuts before) |
| 03:44.33 | roe | zebradog, oh, I get it... he who would pun would pick a pocket |
| 03:44.47 | zebradog | roe, never heard of the expression? lol.. it was a joke |
| 03:45.08 | roe | zebradog, yea, took me a min, I'm tired |
| 03:45.32 | zebradog | roe, reminds me i have to catch up with wtso.net.. been ages :p |
| 03:45.37 | roe | I am still in awe of memory prices... |
| 03:45.46 | zebradog | roe, memories indeed |
| 03:45.48 | roe | I still remember the EDO days |
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| 03:46.10 | zebradog | goes back online to bring back his simpsons memories |
| 03:46.15 | roe | dondelelcaro, I won't do anything till the morning when I bend down to confirm |
| 03:47.05 | roe | thanks for the help |
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| 04:03.53 | hello | hello |
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| 04:06.14 | hello | hello i got error500 in browing few website .https flks saying problem with debian browser how could i sort it out |
| 04:07.15 | alyur | what websites? |
| 04:07.37 | hello | http://in.php.net/pages/error/error500.htm |
| 04:07.45 | hello | http://debian.pastebin.com/pages/error/error500.htm |
| 04:08.14 | hello | http://pastebin.freeswitch.org/pages/error/error500.htm |
| 04:08.50 | hello | http://www.thawte.com/pages/error/error500.htm |
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| 04:11.28 | hello | http://linuxreviews.org/pages/error/error500.htm |
| 04:11.37 | hello | anyidea what went wrong ? |
| 04:11.50 | Arrowmaster | those arent 500 errors |
| 04:11.53 | Arrowmaster | those are 404s |
| 04:12.18 | hello | how to correct it |
| 04:12.34 | hello | i able to browse few website and few cant with that error |
| 04:12.36 | Arrowmaster | what are you doing to get them? |
| 04:13.01 | hello | just browse from icewesel or epipheny |
| 04:13.11 | Arrowmaster | are you using a proxy? |
| 04:13.28 | lost_soul | 500 is a server side error generally |
| 04:13.30 | _Trinity_ | Guys I noticed that thearris WTM652 provided to me by my ISP is missing a lot of features the manual says it has. ie., virtual servers, ignoring pings. Do ISPs normally break modems/routers before handing them to customers? |
| 04:14.19 | hello | i have a server running http://aaditya.sytes.net/ and just enable mod_ssl yesterday is my apache2ctl -S http://pastebin.ca/1906464 |
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| 04:15.17 | lost_soul | http://encodable.com/internal_server_error/ |
| 04:15.19 | Arrowmaster | that still didnt answer my question of if you were running a proxy |
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| 04:15.40 | hello | no proxy |
| 04:15.43 | lost_soul | causes and fixes |
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| 04:16.27 | Arrowmaster | because something between you and those sites has to be messing with the data for you to be getting sent to that exact same */pages/error/error500.htm on every site |
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| 04:17.05 | Arrowmaster | which doesnt even exist on those sites so its really a 404 |
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| 04:17.16 | hello | http://encodable.com/pages/error/error500.htm |
| 04:17.40 | Arrowmaster | what do you see on that site? |
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| 04:17.55 | hello | 500 Error - Web Site is Temporarily Unavailable |
| 04:17.56 | hello | The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems |
| 04:18.01 | hello | Please try again later. |
| 04:18.15 | Arrowmaster | you have a proxy or something between you and the internet that is messing everything up |
| 04:18.20 | blast_hardcheese | What's the proper way to export DISPLAY=:0.0 now? I upgraded to the latest Xorg and now I get stuff like "Can't open display: :0.0" |
| 04:19.10 | hello | how tofigure it out if i have proxy ?mistankly installed or configured,ijust enabled mod_sslyesterday with self certificate |
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| 04:20.30 | Arrowmaster | i dont see how that has anything to do with this issue |
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| 04:21.44 | hello | everything went alright b4 it,ihavent configured anything or installed anything after this |
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| 04:22.21 | lost_soul | Arrowmaster: I'm confused myself... error 500 is server side, he's setup his own webserver and such but his original question was about getting that error on other sites |
| 04:22.44 | lost_soul | his webserver shouldn't effect his browsing |
| 04:22.50 | hello | no i opens websites like yahoo google gmail |
| 04:23.07 | hello | wili |
| 04:23.11 | hello | wikipedia |
| 04:23.15 | Arrowmaster | lost_soul: it should not, which is why i suspect there is a proxy that is acting up, maybe run by his ISP |
| 04:24.08 | hello | oppps now thiswebsite is opened.and i am not able to change it i mean copy/change the browser url |
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| 04:24.21 | hello | am i hacked ?????????????????????? |
| 04:24.35 | hello | okay ite working now again |
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| 04:24.40 | lost_soul | Arrowmaster: perhaps, dunno.. sounds odd to say the least |
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| 04:25.58 | hello | okay its working alright now ,abt that change url or copy ,but i am able to browse few websites and few i cnt witherror 500 pls try later sever is busy |
| 04:26.13 | hello | okay if its ISP i go on windows and try from there ? |
| 04:26.45 | Arrowmaster | if you get the same thing on windows then yeah its your ISP |
| 04:26.49 | hello | be back in few |
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| 04:28.35 | _Trinity_ | hello: are you using a caching proxy? |
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| 04:30.03 | lost_soul | _Trinity_: he's booted windows to see if the same b |
| 04:30.10 | lost_soul | happens* |
| 04:30.17 | _Trinity_ | lol |
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| 04:31.35 | _Trinity_ | he should have cleared his cache and seen if that fixed things before going to the dark side. What the heck I'm using osx most of the time now anyway --dare I say |
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| 04:33.19 | DogBoy | talk about your dark side |
| 04:33.49 | lost_soul | lol |
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| 04:33.56 | tvmanukrishnan | hi, I am having a Toshiba Satellite laptop. The audio device is detected as ATI. How can I change it to the realtek? |
| 04:34.49 | _Trinity_ | I gather osx is not as dark as windows --well, Stallman might this it's worse |
| 04:34.56 | lost_soul | tvmanukrishnan: if the ATI sound is onboard you could disable it in the bios |
| 04:35.28 | lost_soul | the realtek is a pcmcia or something I would imagine? |
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| 04:38.50 | hello | hello again |
| 04:38.51 | tvmanukrishnan | lost_soul: realtek is the real auio device. ATI is something related to the graphics card |
| 04:38.58 | hello | yes same problme persist there |
| 04:39.31 | lost_soul | tvmanukrishnan: hmmm, no idea... sorry |
| 04:39.33 | hello | so its my ISP ??why they d o so ?? |
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| 04:40.59 | hello | i get the same error 500 browsing from windows |
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| 04:41.29 | hello | lost soul?so ISP is doingit ,what exctly ?i will ask them about it |
| 04:41.31 | tvmanukrishnan | lost_soul: any idea where the configuration file for alsa is? |
| 04:41.48 | lost_soul | alsaconfig |
| 04:42.00 | lost_soul | then to save it alsactl store |
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| 04:42.42 | lost_soul | least if memory serves |
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| 04:42.54 | hello | ?? |
| 04:42.58 | tvmanukrishnan | lost_soul: its not there. I think I miss some packages for alsa. let me check that |
| 04:43.51 | lost_soul | tvmanukrishnan: let me check mine before you go installing stuff.. been awhile since I've needed to mess with alsa directly |
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| 04:59.45 | gnarface | lost_soul: any luck finding a bios update for that weird board? |
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| 05:01.24 | lost_soul | gnarface: nope |
| 05:01.26 | lost_soul | :( |
| 05:01.35 | gnarface | any luck finding the FCC ID? |
| 05:01.48 | gnarface | any hardware sold (in the US at least) is required to have one |
| 05:01.51 | lost_soul | yep |
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| 05:02.05 | gnarface | find the manufacturer's site? |
| 05:02.22 | lost_soul | only the xbits site |
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| 05:02.29 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 05:02.33 | gnarface | gimme the fcc id |
| 05:03.20 | gnarface | the whole thing, if possible, including the FCC part |
| 05:04.19 | gnarface | it's possible your problem is in the USB drivers themselves but the behavior you've described makes it hard to tell whether it's the kernel driver stack or the bios actually at fault |
| 05:04.25 | lost_soul | gnarface: CSA470389 SAMBA 845GV-L |
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| 05:05.06 | lost_soul | didn't write the second part down originally so had to get it quick.. all I looked up was first, second looks like the model name |
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| 05:06.14 | gnarface | damn. dry well |
| 05:06.36 | lost_soul | gnarface: lol, ye.. tell me about it |
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| 05:07.28 | lost_soul | gnarface: I really appreciate you taking the time to help try to find it for me though.. very much so. At least figured out a way to make it usable |
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| 05:09.00 | gnarface | the only three entries under "CSA" in the fcc database (which don't seem to match yours at all) are for some chineese company called K J Industrial |
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| 05:09.43 | gnarface | maybe they have a chineese website somewhere with bios updates. google is faithfully hiding non-english sites from me though :( |
| 05:10.00 | lost_soul | LOL |
| 05:10.24 | gnarface | if you know anyone in china or taiwan you might want to ask them to look up K J Industrial's site for you |
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| 05:10.42 | gnarface | then maybe have them send you a link to the bios section |
| 05:10.49 | lost_soul | india, closest I know someone |
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| 05:11.15 | lost_soul | will ask on some forums I belong to.. gotta be someone from there |
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| 05:12.05 | sparr | What's the debian way to set up new CUPS printers? |
| 05:12.24 | gnarface | sparr: connect a browser to the local printer url |
| 05:12.30 | lost_soul | http://localhost:631 |
| 05:12.37 | lost_soul | or is it 630, I forget |
| 05:12.45 | gnarface | sparr: there's a built-in web interface now ^^ |
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| 05:13.49 | ZitZ | hey, i set up a print server in my house and connected it to my printer, but it isn't detected by the hp software |
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| 05:14.17 | sparr | gnarface: ok, what's the default username and password there to add? |
| 05:14.30 | lost_soul | login with your root credentials |
| 05:14.39 | lost_soul | so you can administer it |
| 05:14.40 | sparr | ahh |
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| 05:15.29 | sparr | ok, when doing Manage Printers |
| 05:15.34 | sparr | I have dropdowns for existing printers |
| 05:15.50 | sparr | one of the options is Delete Printer, but there's no way to actually "do" it |
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| 05:15.56 | sparr | its just a selection on a dropdown |
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| 05:16.12 | lost_soul | printers, at the end |
| 05:16.19 | lost_soul | u should be able to delete in there |
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| 05:17.22 | sparr | right, I click that, and see my printers |
| 05:17.28 | sparr | then i click the name of the printer, which is a link |
| 05:17.44 | sparr | now I'm looking at details of that printer, and there are dropdown lists full of potential actions |
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| 05:18.12 | lost_soul | and delete isn't one of them |
| 05:18.53 | sparr | yes, delete is one of them |
| 05:18.58 | sparr | it's an item on a dropdown list |
| 05:19.06 | lost_soul | isn't tht what you were looking for? |
| 05:19.14 | sparr | after I select it on the list, what do I do next? |
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| 05:19.24 | sparr | there's no "DO THE THING I SELECTED" button |
| 05:20.19 | lost_soul | you must be on a different version of cups.. mine has buttons, just press the delete button and it's gone, so long as it isn't currently set as the default printer |
| 05:20.23 | jelly-home | sparr: do you have javascript disabled? |
| 05:20.36 | sparr | no |
| 05:20.43 | jelly-home | it ought to work then |
| 05:20.48 | sparr | I agree, it ought to |
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| 05:21.05 | jelly-home | NoScript makes it not work, for example |
| 05:22.03 | sparr | http://localhost:631/printers |
| 05:22.17 | sparr | err, sorry |
| 05:22.24 | sparr | http://sparr.homeip.net/cups.png |
| 05:22.29 | sparr | that's what I see |
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| 05:23.00 | jelly-home | sparr: which browser is this? |
| 05:23.10 | sparr | firefox |
| 05:23.18 | sparr | I'm trying it in konqueror now |
| 05:24.35 | gnarface | sparr: that looks NOTHING like my cups configuration page. have you disabled images and css too? |
| 05:24.45 | sparr | no |
| 05:25.04 | sparr | i compressed the PNG |
| 05:25.09 | sparr | ignore the fact that it's dithered |
| 05:25.10 | gnarface | that shouldn't matter |
| 05:25.19 | gnarface | the background color isn't even right |
| 05:25.23 | gnarface | the buttons aren't shaped right |
| 05:25.24 | jelly-home | sparr: wfm, a new confirmation page opens (firefox 3.6.4) after delete printer entry is chosen. but only after I enabled JS for localhost:631 |
| 05:25.42 | jelly-home | sparr: which debian release and version of cups is this? |
| 05:26.01 | jelly-home | gnarface: my squeeze one looks the same, modulo font sizes |
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| 05:26.22 | gnarface | maybe it's been a while since i updated |
| 05:26.37 | sparr | http://sparr.homeip.net/cups_konq.png |
| 05:26.41 | sparr | that's in konqueror |
| 05:26.54 | sparr | and not compressed |
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| 05:27.17 | sparr | jelly: sid, and not sure about cups version |
| 05:27.27 | jelly-home | works in konqueror 4.4.4 for me as well |
| 05:27.53 | sparr | guess i can forego deleting the old printer |
| 05:27.56 | sparr | just have to remember which is which |
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| 05:29.00 | lost_soul | maybe try going into the administration controls from another pc if you have one available |
| 05:29.06 | lost_soul | as a last resort |
| 05:30.15 | sparr | not that important |
| 05:30.17 | sparr | thanks, though |
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| 05:31.38 | jelly-home | sparr: man lpadmin |
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| 05:39.11 | dzup | whats the program use with a usb webcam? |
| 05:39.39 | dzup | thats to capture video from. |
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| 05:40.50 | cast | dzup: presumably you've tried google? |
| 05:40.52 | mordocai | Does anyone know if there are any screensavers that work in debian with gnome and that look similar to the water effect in compiz(Rain drop ripple effects on the screen. I'd actually prefer a non-transparent one)? I did some google searching, but everything I found looked more like a hack than a screensaver. |
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| 06:29.05 | pallgone | jelly-home: to bug-heaven ;) |
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| 06:30.45 | jelly-home | dpkg, spank pallgone |
| 06:30.45 | dpkg | bends pallgone over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 06:33.58 | zebradog | dpkg, rape jelly-home |
| 06:33.58 | dpkg | zebradog: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 07:01.33 | Iran | hi, how should i know my VPS has which OS? |
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| 07:03.57 | Ricoshady | is there a max number of files that can be in one folder? on ext3? |
| 07:04.04 | alyur | Iran, cat /etc/*release |
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| 07:05.16 | gnarface | Ricoshady: every filesystem has such limits. wikipedia has a good breakdown of all the filesystems and what they are for each one |
| 07:05.48 | cast | Ricoshady: your question is indeed answerd in wikipedia :) |
| 07:06.52 | Ricoshady | ok thanks |
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| 07:08.13 | Iran | CentOS release 5.5 (Final) < that means i dont use debian? |
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| 07:13.17 | blast_hardcheese | Iran: Correct |
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| 07:15.32 | reklipz_ | Hey folks. I'm trying to add an HP LaserJet 4000 N printer on my desktop. I've gotten this to work successfully, but I've had issues with printing certain documents, whereas Windows appears to handle them fine. I'm wondering which driver is the proper driver to choose; there's so damn many of them for this printer. |
| 07:16.09 | reklipz_ | Neglecting any PCL drivers, I've got about 12 total drivers to choose from. |
| 07:16.41 | reklipz_ | Some of them have the same names in the dialog, so I can't tell the difference without looking at the ppd files themselves. |
| 07:17.09 | Black_Phantom | reklipz_ I don't know HP Laserjet 4000 N exactly, but I recommend using the most popular driver amongst them |
| 07:17.16 | reklipz_ | Since the printer supports PS, should I go with the Foomatic/Postscript, or the CUPS+Gutenprint driver? |
| 07:18.31 | Bushmills | HP LaserJet 4100 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.5 is what i use for the HP LJ 4100 N |
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| 07:18.55 | ondrejk | hello, im looking for some good password manager |
| 07:19.10 | ondrejk | ive found pwsafe, does anybody have another tip for me? |
| 07:19.19 | reklipz_ | Bushmills: does that get you ProRes 1200 DPI? |
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| 07:19.32 | Bushmills | i don't know |
| 07:19.49 | blast_hardcheese | ondrejk: I've been using password-gorilla for months; decent, but not perfect |
| 07:19.51 | reklipz_ | ondrejk: you're question is slightly vague. gnome has a keyring app which comes stock I believe. |
| 07:19.57 | streuner_ | http://www.openprinting.org/printers |
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| 07:20.47 | ondrejk | im looking for command line password manager |
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| 07:21.06 | ondrejk | i want to have place where can i and my colleagues store passwords and access informations |
| 07:21.14 | Bushmills | resolution dialog gives 600x600 as max |
| 07:21.19 | ondrejk | so it should be as safest as its possible |
| 07:21.53 | streuner_ | reklipz_: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_4000 |
| 07:22.30 | reklipz_ | streuner_: thank you, it recommends the hplip driver, interesting |
| 07:22.53 | streuner_ | look at the comments |
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| 07:23.50 | reklipz_ | I see that, and I tried that and compared the output, the trick appears to work. however, I still have the printer "hanging" issue, which can only be resolved by playing the hokie pokie with CUPS. |
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| 07:26.17 | michalrakx | Anyone is running asp.net under debian ? |
| 07:27.11 | michalrakx | i know its an ugly idea :) |
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| 07:31.11 | blast_hardcheese | michalrakx: I would be, if mono supported ASP Classic. |
| 07:31.23 | blast_hardcheese | Ended up writing something that translated ASP Classic into PHP. |
| 07:31.57 | michalrakx | we are providing very cheap webhostings for students...can we do this for classic + with asp ? |
| 07:32.01 | michalrakx | smething dual ? |
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| 07:38.16 | ethanol | morning people |
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| 07:42.21 | Pinchiukas | I mean, why does mc look so messed up? |
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| 07:47.44 | lukosanthropos | \j #php |
| 07:47.50 | lukosanthropos | oops |
| 07:47.55 | lukosanthropos | wrong slash |
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| 07:52.37 | pif | hi, what's that tools name that creates a usb boot image? |
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| 07:53.31 | mistrynitesh | pif: syslinux? |
| 07:53.39 | pif | hmm, no |
| 07:55.14 | mistrynitesh | pif: did you mean creating bootable usb stick? |
| 07:55.18 | pif | yes |
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| 07:55.46 | pif | ideally with a grml64 |
| 07:56.32 | cast | zcat, if you're doing an install |
| 07:56.50 | cast | otherwise you could use the debian-live tools if you want a bootable usb environment |
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| 08:00.19 | dcbevins | there is always unetbootin for live usb |
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| 08:01.13 | mistrynitesh | pif: found this on wiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 08:01.28 | pif | thanks |
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| 08:01.36 | pif | ah, unetbootin ! |
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| 08:05.25 | dcbevins | pif what im not sure of is if unetbootin makes it a persistant live usb |
| 08:05.30 | dcbevins | or just a live usb |
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| 08:07.31 | dcbevins | ah there appears to be a way but it takes additional steps, read the read me here, looks like 512 mb is biggest space http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/diskimg/ |
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| 08:11.49 | blast_hardcheese | dcbevins: I'm willing to bet that those are just zipped files of specific sizes |
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| 08:12.19 | dcbevins | yes u could probably make one with dd of whatever size |
| 08:12.21 | blast_hardcheese | you can get the same effect from dding from /dev/zero with a bs/count that gives you the size you want |
| 08:12.50 | dcbevins | and give it a file system |
| 08:13.15 | blast_hardcheese | Pretty sure those files don't have filesystems, but I could be wrong. |
| 08:13.20 | blast_hardcheese | (judging by how small the zip files are |
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| 08:15.43 | dcbevins | the are compressed probably |
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| 08:15.58 | Scotsman | how do I utilise the RAM or /dev/stm/ as i need it as a shortcut or a drive |
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| 08:16.30 | dcbevins | since they are empty, they would compress to lik 512kb with they uncompress 512 mb, so maybe they have a file system |
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| 08:20.20 | Scotsman | no one? |
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| 08:27.02 | greenberet123 | Hi, ive got a file called root.cpio.gz...what is it? Is it a debian image? |
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| 08:27.16 | c1rcuit | hey guys im installing on my eee pc but i get an error that says |
| 08:27.25 | c1rcuit | No default or UI Configuration directive found! |
| 08:27.28 | FabParma | how to copy 1TB of data by shell & verify all with CRC or similar? in more, booting in rescue mode and using a root shell can create trouble? Thank you for helping |
| 08:27.28 | c1rcuit | what should i do? |
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| 08:28.25 | reklipz | When making a RAID array, is it necessary to place a partition table on the md device created? |
| 08:28.38 | jelly | reklipz: no |
| 08:29.03 | reklipz | I didn't think that was the case. I could see it being useful, in the case of raid4/5/6 |
| 08:29.08 | jelly | reklipz: typical usage is to make identical partition tables on 2+ drives, then make one MD for each partition |
| 08:29.35 | jelly | for each partition set over multiple drives, that is |
| 08:29.49 | reklipz | Indeed. |
| 08:29.55 | reklipz | I just wanted to make sure that was the case. |
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| 08:30.27 | jelly | reklipz: one good thing about md over whole disk: easy migration to new hw/bigger disks in case of md1 |
| 08:30.35 | reklipz | Any suggestions on setting up a raid5 for use for media? (1GB+ mostly) |
| 08:30.45 | reklipz | eg, chunk size / layout? |
| 08:30.55 | jelly | reklipz: one bad thing: rebuild has to reda the whole disk |
| 08:31.38 | jelly | (more bad things: grub-pc scripts in debian are quite buggy with that md setup) |
| 08:31.59 | reklipz | I've got the boot all taken care of |
| 08:32.11 | c1rcuit | hey, can anyone help me with a syslinux error during installation? |
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| 08:33.05 | smv | FabParma, i'd just make an archive (.tar.gz or .tgz, but other types should work too) and create a checksum (md5 or sha256, but other types should work too) for it, but might not be the single nor the best way to do this kind of thing. |
| 08:34.10 | jelly | /dev/md0p2 15239004 8753755 5698869 61% / |
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| 08:34.58 | jelly | reklipz: use the defaults, perhaps increase the chunk size if you wish |
| 08:35.10 | FabParma | smv: thanks |
| 08:35.40 | jelly | reklipz: streaming /video editing, or just storage? If it's just storage, it doesn't really matter |
| 08:35.51 | reklipz | jelly just storage |
| 08:35.57 | reklipz | well, and streaming |
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| 08:36.11 | reklipz | but likely only one or two streams at a time |
| 08:37.54 | jelly | yeah, but for home usage you probably won't have 100Mbps+ streams |
| 08:38.17 | reklipz | A boy can dream can't he? |
| 08:38.34 | jelly | bluray rips are what, 10-20Mbps (2-3 MB/s) |
| 08:38.57 | reklipz | I've seen decent rips hit around 30 sometimes, but that's not continuous at all. |
| 08:39.07 | jelly | did I say rips? I meant backup copies! |
| 08:39.31 | reklipz | what other kind of rips are there? |
| 08:39.35 | jelly | indeed |
| 08:40.01 | reklipz | It's funny, actually. |
| 08:40.13 | reklipz | I built this array about three years ago now |
| 08:40.23 | reklipz | I needed to stash the data so I could do some management |
| 08:40.33 | reklipz | I borrowed a _single_ drive from a friend to stash to. |
| 08:40.52 | reklipz | I'm certain he spent less for that drive than I did for one of mine |
| 08:41.23 | jelly | indeed, but new drives have declared .30 yearly failure rate |
| 08:41.23 | reklipz | the array is 4x0.75, only had about 1.6TB used |
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| 08:42.27 | jelly | so if you buy 10 drives like that, 3 of them might die in 12 months. |
| 08:42.41 | reklipz | trooph! |
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| 08:43.17 | twiggz | Ive gone through 3 sata drives this year... |
| 08:43.28 | twiggz | just for single hdd desktops |
| 08:43.33 | reklipz | size/brand? |
| 08:43.39 | jelly | should have bought one of the other 7 ;-) |
| 08:43.39 | reklipz | err size/model/brand |
| 08:43.45 | reklipz | haha |
| 08:43.46 | twiggz | seagate barracudas |
| 08:43.50 | reklipz | boooo |
| 08:43.57 | twiggz | 2 500gb and a 750gb |
| 08:44.20 | reklipz | I've had nothing but bad from seagate. sammy is my man at the moment, with WD being a nice fallback |
| 08:44.25 | jelly | one's a samsung, one's a seagate -- I asked for different brands to put in a mirror hoping they won't both die at the same time |
| 08:44.32 | reklipz | <3 spinpoint |
| 08:44.39 | twiggz | I had a WD caviar blue 500gb die after one day |
| 08:44.43 | reklipz | jelly nice move |
| 08:44.44 | twiggz | to hell with WD for life. |
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| 08:44.58 | jelly | twiggz: meh, no brands are left unsullied |
| 08:45.08 | reklipz | I think it's an environmental thing |
| 08:45.17 | twiggz | Yeah, but so far, thats the only brand thats died after one day. |
| 08:45.22 | twiggz | :/ |
| 08:45.23 | reklipz | something in the air... ions probably. and ghosts |
| 08:45.35 | reklipz | hey, at least you didn't lose any data |
| 08:45.40 | reklipz | (relatively) |
| 08:45.59 | jelly | reklipz: they're packing the bits real close now! |
| 08:46.09 | reklipz | and vertically i hear! |
| 08:46.24 | jelly | all cramped in there |
| 08:46.29 | reklipz | (I think all my drives are perpendicular... not sure) |
| 08:46.57 | jelly | 750GB onwards probably are |
| 08:47.13 | reklipz | so, i've got this md raid, I want to completely trash and start fresh. |
| 08:47.39 | reklipz | how can i kill the superblocks so i dont have to remove the devices via mdadm |
| 08:47.49 | reklipz | or, is there a mdadm --trash command? |
| 08:48.25 | twiggz | the only drives i have that have proven to be reliable ...are two ten year old maxtors...one is probably more like 12 years old... a 40gb and a 80gb |
| 08:48.58 | jelly | reklipz: yes, --zero-superblock |
| 08:49.04 | twiggz | i threw that 80gb maxtor out in my yard when i was drunk and pissed off because i cracked my mobo.... |
| 08:49.10 | twiggz | it sat outside for 3 days |
| 08:49.13 | twiggz | it still works |
| 08:49.48 | twiggz | they make hardware to fail now. |
| 08:49.49 | reklipz | I pass in the individual devices, correct? |
| 08:50.16 | reklipz | the newer tech is more prone to failure... |
| 08:50.25 | twiggz | yep |
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| 08:50.46 | reklipz | plus, you may be correct that qc has diminished |
| 08:50.51 | reklipz | but I wouldn't say that's primary |
| 08:51.04 | twiggz | its more likely corporate planning. |
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| 08:52.07 | reklipz | jelly: also, since I'm doing a raid5 across the whole drive, and I don't need to boot from the drive, I can skip partitioning the individual drives as well, huh |
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| 08:52.21 | honoioio | how to install wget ? |
| 08:52.34 | reklipz | honoioio: # apt-get install wget |
| 08:52.44 | reklipz | honoioio: it is likely already installed, however. |
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| 08:53.21 | {g} | Hey People! I have an ssh connection to a server and installed gnome on it. Now how can i start it and use it via vnc? |
| 08:53.37 | {g} | I mean, how can I start gnome and use it via vnc? |
| 08:53.49 | reklipz | {g}: look at x11vnc |
| 08:54.06 | {g} | reklipz: you mean "apt-get install x11vnc"? |
| 08:54.18 | reklipz | umm, no. I mean research x11vnc |
| 08:54.23 | reklipz | see if it does what you want. |
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| 08:54.48 | reklipz | x11vnc allows you to use gdm via vnc as well as the gnome desktop |
| 08:54.53 | reklipz | which is what it sounds like you want |
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| 08:55.00 | reklipz | otherwise, I would just use X forwarding via ssh |
| 08:55.26 | {g} | reklipz: yes. i think i want that. so i do "apt-get install x11vnc" now.. lets see what happens. |
| 08:55.29 | kemerten | you can tunnel vnc through ssh: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/tunneling-vnc-connections-over-ssh-howto.html |
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| 08:55.30 | reklipz | assuming your client supports X forwarding |
| 08:55.58 | raboof | 'dh-make-perl --build --cpan HTML::Microformats' reports it cannot find that module - but it's at http://search.cpan.org/~tobyink/HTML-Microformats-0.00_12/ . Am I getting the naming convention wrong? |
| 08:56.05 | {g} | ok, i installed x11vnc. now what do i do next? |
| 08:56.36 | reklipz | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+x11vnc |
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| 08:57.04 | reklipz | {g}: this looks nice: http://www.debianadmin.com/remotely-administring-machines-using-x11vnc.html |
| 08:57.06 | kemerten | {g}: take a look at the link i just gave you |
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| 08:57.53 | jelly | reklipz: look out for replacement drive sizes. Your eg. 1TB drive might have 937GiB, and the replacement might have 932GiB. |
| 08:58.23 | reklipz | jelly: how would that occur? |
| 08:58.40 | jelly | reklipz: 1TB drive from different vendor, or different model |
| 08:58.44 | reklipz | ah |
| 08:59.09 | reklipz | jelly: I think with raid5, expanding the drive size is a simple operation |
| 08:59.14 | jelly | reklipz: they'll all have 1,000,000,000,000 bytes and a bit more available. Make sure you don't use that "a bit more" part |
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| 08:59.48 | jelly | reklipz: yeah but what about reducing the drive size |
| 08:59.51 | reklipz | i.e. if I buy new (or if I need to replace moer than one), I'll buy new larger drives |
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| 09:00.02 | reklipz | s/moer/more |
| 09:00.02 | jelly | reklipz: yep. |
| 09:00.17 | reklipz | thanks for the heads up though |
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| 09:00.47 | reklipz | what's the difference between the parity algorithms? |
| 09:01.27 | jelly | wasn't aware there was much choice |
| 09:01.28 | remur_030 | heya, I am looking for a way to open an ssh tunnel whenever one connects on a certain port |
| 09:01.42 | reklipz | --parity= -p : raid5/6 parity algorithm: {left,right}-{,a}symmetric |
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| 09:02.15 | remur_030 | as in programm A wants to connect to port 7072, so a service catches the request and calls 'ssh -L 7072:forwardhost:8080' |
| 09:02.30 | reklipz | remur_030: called port knocking |
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| 09:02.36 | remur_030 | I wanted to use xinetd but I don't think this is the right way |
| 09:02.49 | reklipz | eh... well similar |
| 09:02.51 | {g} | kemerten, reklipz: i installed x11vnc. now how do i start X? at the moment x11vnc complains "XOpenDisplay failed" |
| 09:02.53 | reklipz | reverse ssh |
| 09:03.01 | jelly | remur_030: a service has to be listening on :7072 in advance |
| 09:03.21 | reklipz | jelly: xinetd |
| 09:03.33 | jelly | remur_030: what's your goal (can you draw a picture ;-) |
| 09:03.39 | reklipz | {g}: # invoke-rc.d gdm restart |
| 09:03.43 | reklipz | or gdm3 |
| 09:03.47 | reklipz | depends on your display manager |
| 09:04.04 | remur_030 | reklipz: port knocking? I just want to fire up the ssh session when the application tries to connect on 7072 |
| 09:04.32 | reklipz | jelly: he's at work, where ssh out is disallowed, but port xxx is unblocked. he telnets to his box via xxx, it opens up ssh to his work box. |
| 09:04.38 | remur_030 | jelly: ugh, I can make an example with what I actually want to do |
| 09:04.44 | jelly | remur_030: ssh has to be already running at that point. What are you actually trying to accomplish there? |
| 09:04.51 | remur_030 | reklipz: not really |
| 09:05.12 | remur_030 | ok I want to portforward 119 through a remote system, so the traffic is unthrottled |
| 09:05.29 | remur_030 | I am host A, host B is unthrottled to host C |
| 09:05.30 | {g} | reklipz: ok. that gives me "gdm start/running, process 5333". but x11vnc still tells me it finds no display. |
| 09:05.30 | reklipz | remur_030: ssh supports tunneling already |
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| 09:05.36 | remur_030 | host A to host C is throttled |
| 09:05.52 | {g} | reklipz: sure you can start X on a server that has no screen? |
| 09:05.56 | reklipz | {g} if I recall, x11vnc requires a bit of config. It's been a long time, check that link. |
| 09:06.01 | remur_030 | so i want to use an ssh tunnel to host B so I can getr around the throtteling |
| 09:06.19 | {g} | reklipz: then maybe i use something that requires no config? how about vncserver? |
| 09:06.21 | jelly | remur_030: and you can ssh from A to B, unthrottled? |
| 09:06.26 | reklipz | {g}: you running x11vnc as root? |
| 09:06.41 | remur_030 | reklipz: yes, but I can't just keep the tunnel open all the time, I want it to open when the application connects to localhost:7072 which is supposed to be the tunnelstart on host A |
| 09:06.43 | remur_030 | jelly: yes |
| 09:06.46 | {g} | reklipz: all i did so far i did as root |
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| 09:07.45 | remur_030 | so I want to catch application x on host connecting to localhost 7072 and fire up the ssh tunnel |
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| 09:07.53 | remur_030 | application x on host a |
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| 09:08.03 | c1rcuit | im in a live session of debian |
| 09:08.05 | c1rcuit | how do i install from here? |
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| 09:08.22 | themill | c1rcuit: you don't, as a rule. |
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| 09:08.43 | c1rcuit | hm |
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| 09:09.48 | reklipz | Hah! I know which drives were my parity and the first... |
| 09:09.58 | reklipz | mdadm is complaining it is finding an ext fs on them... |
| 09:10.00 | c1rcuit | im in the main screen and it has |
| 09:10.04 | c1rcuit | a thing that says |
| 09:10.06 | c1rcuit | UNetbootin |
| 09:10.16 | c1rcuit | and lists: Default, Help, Live, Live (failsafe), and memory test |
| 09:10.24 | c1rcuit | none of which according to themill will allow me to install |
| 09:10.29 | c1rcuit | what should i do? |
| 09:10.40 | remur_030 | no ideas? any suggestion where to ask? afaik systemd and xinetd hold the connection to the ports and after the service is launched pass it on |
| 09:10.42 | themill | c1rcuit: the live cd is not an installer. |
| 09:11.38 | c1rcuit | so this was all for naught? |
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| 09:13.28 | jelly | remur_030: is there only one client (only one host A, so to speak)? |
| 09:13.43 | remur_030 | jelly: yes |
| 09:14.43 | reklipz | =D |
| 09:14.43 | jelly | remur_030: well then, from A just do ssh -L 10119:C:119 B, then access the nntp server on A at localhost:10119 |
| 09:14.58 | jelly | remur_030: sprinkle with compression |
| 09:15.12 | reklipz | lightly! |
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| 09:16.11 | remur_030 | jelly: I know how to do the ssh tunnel =) problem is I can't keep that up all the time |
| 09:16.29 | remur_030 | I only want it open when someone connects on localhost to 10119 |
| 09:16.35 | remur_030 | as in requires the tunnel |
| 09:16.46 | jelly | remur_030: autossh. |
| 09:16.58 | jelly | and possibly screen |
| 09:17.15 | jelly | it the problem is technical in nature |
| 09:18.17 | remur_030 | jelly: the problem is that I just can't keep open a tunnel over host B all the time, the admins don't mind tunnels, but not persistent ones |
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| 09:18.33 | remur_030 | so autossh will also only force keep it open |
| 09:18.47 | reklipz | hah, I think i didn't use a partition table last time because I would have neede to use GPT rather than MSDOS |
| 09:18.48 | jelly | well if it dies it'll get restarted |
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| 09:19.48 | c1rcuit | so there is absolutely no way i can install debian from the live usb |
| 09:19.49 | c1rcuit | ? |
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| 09:20.12 | reklipz | c1rcuit: you can use debootstrap |
| 09:20.14 | jelly | c1rcuit: you can use debootstrap |
| 09:20.15 | remur_030 | jelly: yes, this would mean I am logged on to host B 24/7, I am just not allowed to |
| 09:20.17 | jelly | heh |
| 09:20.19 | reklipz | :) |
| 09:20.22 | oshim | hi |
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| 09:20.36 | c1rcuit | googles |
| 09:20.40 | reklipz | that needs to be pasted somewhere |
| 09:20.45 | smv | does anyone have a working 7.1 .asoundrc for NVidia CK8S? my google foo is useless |
| 09:21.03 | jelly | c1rcuit: /msg dpkg i-g |
| 09:21.15 | c1rcuit | type that in terminal? |
| 09:21.17 | reklipz | smv: I have one, but it doesn't do what you want I'm sure. be more specific |
| 09:21.18 | jelly | c1rcuit: in irc |
| 09:21.21 | {g} | I installed and started tightvncserver on the server. Now I try to connect to it with "vinagre <ip>" but vinagre only says "connection to <ip> was closed" any ideas? |
| 09:21.34 | jelly | c1rcuit: then look for a private message from dpkg bot |
| 09:21.55 | reklipz | dpkg i-g |
| 09:21.55 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.5) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 09:22.29 | smv | reklipz, just want to use all the speakers, as now it uses only the front ones. |
| 09:22.44 | reklipz | smv: what program are you using? |
| 09:23.00 | reklipz | smv:are you using iec958? |
| 09:23.03 | jelly | c1rcuit: debootstrap install like that will involve manual partitioning, formatting and mounting the filesystems, installing the base system with debootstrap, manual setup of boot loader and /etc/fstab entries, and I'm probably forgetting a few bits |
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| 09:23.14 | reklipz | smv: http://alsa.opensrc.org/SurroundSound http://www.halfgaar.net/surround-sound-in-linux |
| 09:23.25 | smv | same thing in any program. won't use iec958 in the near future. |
| 09:23.44 | reklipz | smv: won't or aren't? iec958 is a special beast. |
| 09:23.48 | jelly | c1rcuit: but it can be done if you have enough linux experience |
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| 09:24.22 | reklipz | smv: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Speaker-test is a good testing guide as well |
| 09:24.23 | smv | reklipz, not, and perhaps never will. |
| 09:24.27 | jelly | c1rcuit: so yeah, it's incorrect to say there's "absolutely no way to install from livecd/liveusb" |
| 09:25.00 | smv | reklipz, ya, testing with that. only the front ones are used. |
| 09:26.14 | c1rcuit | heh i was saying it more as a question |
| 09:26.28 | reklipz | smv: only the center ones play sound, or they don't show up in the tesT? |
| 09:26.50 | reklipz | smv: msg me your output of aplay -L (and aplay -l) |
| 09:27.11 | smv | all show up in the test, only front has sound |
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| 09:28.06 | smv | reklipz, http://paste.debian.net/plainh/349df08f |
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| 09:28.27 | reklipz | smv: I would suggest you remove your .asoundrc, make sure your /etc/asound.conf looks like my msg to you, and that the speakers are indeed hooked up properly |
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| 09:39.12 | reklipz | jelly: interesting notes in the man for mke2fs. looking at the -E option |
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| 09:47.13 | linoge | how can i retrieve all files under www.asdfdomain.org/asdf/asdf/THISFOLDER with wget ? |
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| 09:48.34 | cast | linoge: does wget have a manual |
| 09:49.14 | iceroot | linoge: -r i guess |
| 09:49.33 | linoge | yes cast i know. Maybe i should have explained better. wget -r retrieves all website. I just want the last folder |
| 09:52.34 | themill | linoge: take a look at the --no-parent option. |
| 09:52.40 | linoge | did it |
| 09:52.42 | linoge | no luck |
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| 09:52.52 | themill | dpkg: tell linoge about doesn't work |
| 09:52.59 | petemc | -nH and --cut-dirs |
| 09:53.27 | linoge | yep |
| 09:55.12 | linoge | no luck either... |
| 09:55.12 | jelly | where does "su -" read the PATH from? On an etch machine, it results in a /sbin-less root's PATH |
| 09:56.05 | themill | linoge: I think we're all done with guessing now. Until you tell us precisely what command you've used and how the outcome of that command is not what you want, you're not going to get any more help. |
| 09:56.26 | linoge | which means, that under that directory there are some txt files, but (with -np) it only retrieves index.html. With -nH --cut-dirs=1 neither... |
| 09:56.35 | linoge | themill: ok, just let me recreate it :) |
| 09:57.41 | nsadmin | perhaps it would be better to tell him the command you're complaining about before you recreate another |
| 09:58.26 | linoge | ok. wget -m -np "192.168.0.1/book/" -m -np |
| 09:58.30 | linoge | but only got index.html |
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| 09:59.00 | linoge | *srry |
| 09:59.04 | linoge | not -m -np at end |
| 09:59.10 | linoge | ^^ |
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| 09:59.58 | themill | jelly: it starts a login shell so it's running through /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc, /root/.bash_profile etc. Sure you're not clobbering PATH in there somewhere? |
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| 10:04.27 | linoge | nah, doesn't matter, solved it guys. My error, srry for bothering |
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| 10:10.00 | RichiH | hmm, that's weird. i am running debian with xen and fdisk -l comes up empty |
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| 10:10.27 | RichiH | even though my main partition is mounted (obvioulsy; i am ircing from there) |
| 10:10.38 | RichiH | but i can't find my swap partition by any device name |
| 10:10.42 | RichiH | suggestions |
| 10:10.43 | RichiH | ? |
| 10:10.54 | petemc | if everything seems to work.. |
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| 10:11.22 | mquin | RichiH: /proc not mounted, perhaps? |
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| 10:12.09 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/81207/ -- never mind the fact that my / is ext3... |
| 10:15.25 | lost_soul | you can see where the sway is by doing cat /etc/fstab |
| 10:15.26 | lost_soul | dunno why you would be worried about it though, as you said.. you |
| 10:15.26 | lost_soul | your* system is running |
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| 10:15.26 | mquin | RichiH: does 'cat /proc/mounts' concur with that? |
| 10:15.26 | lost_soul | free works to |
| 10:15.27 | RichiH | lost_soul: if the information in /etc/fstab was even remotely valid, i would not need to ask ;) |
| 10:15.27 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/81208/ |
| 10:15.27 | lost_soul | RichiH: hmmmm, I don't understand I guess.. if it's not valid how can your system boot without a ton of errors |
| 10:15.28 | RichiH | the reason why i am worried would be |
| 10:15.28 | RichiH | Mem: 131188 128076 3112 0 2428 18308 |
| 10:15.31 | RichiH | lost_soul: xen does a lot of things by magic |
| 10:16.11 | RichiH | mquin: in the above paste, the upper is mount, the lower /proc/mounts |
| 10:16.21 | lost_soul | RichiH: ah.. never used xen.. sorry, my bad |
| 10:16.38 | mquin | now that's perculiar |
| 10:16.49 | RichiH | just to mess with my head, /dev/root does not actually exist |
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| 10:26.59 | tdn | I try to attach an old laptop IDE disk and get this in dmesg: http://paste.adora.dk/P1744.html |
| 10:26.59 | tdn | [ 4183.276661] sd 7:0:0:1: [sdd] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). [ 4189.951552] sd 7:0:0:1: [sdd] Using 0xffffffff as device size [ 4190.061918] unknown partition table [ 4190.063787] sd 7:0:0:1: [sdd] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 4190.063791] sdd: |
| 10:26.59 | tdn | What does this mean? What can I do to access the disk? |
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| 10:28.08 | mquin | RichiH: going back to your original problem, it looks like 'fdisk -l' just reads /proc/partitions then examines each block device. If it's returning nothing that would suggest that it either can't read the partitions list or can't access the devices |
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| 10:28.34 | mquin | it'll return nothing if you run it as a non-root user, for example, as it will be unable to read the block devices |
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| 10:29.52 | tdn | mquin, I have tried reading it as root with hd, but it seems to only contain zeros. (which is not the case in reality) |
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| 10:30.22 | RichiH | mquin: http://paste.debian.net/81210/ |
| 10:30.34 | RichiH | so it might be as simple as creating the correct devices |
| 10:31.07 | RichiH | will need to dig up ancient knowledge for that. linux 2.4, here i come |
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| 10:33.57 | RichiH | Swap: 522072 0 522072 |
| 10:33.59 | RichiH | \o/ |
| 10:34.12 | RichiH | mquin: the /proc/partitions bit is what i was missing |
| 10:34.14 | RichiH | thanks a lot |
| 10:34.21 | RichiH | !mquin++ |
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| 10:35.08 | kombi | when debian_version says "5.0" and sources.list says "testing" but I get conflicts during dist-upgrade because of glibc-2.9-1, what should I do? |
| 10:36.07 | mquin | tdn: that was for RichiH - sorry if I confused you |
| 10:36.35 | RichiH | kombi: paste the results of your command on paste.debian.net |
| 10:37.19 | kombi | RichiH: http://pastebin.se/201719 |
| 10:38.13 | RichiH | did you try apt-get -f install ? |
| 10:38.36 | kombi | RichiH: Can I savely do that? It's a production box.. |
| 10:38.37 | RichiH | else, try apt-get install glibc-2.9-1 |
| 10:39.00 | kombi | s/v/f/g |
| 10:39.09 | RichiH | kombi: you can always append -d |
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| 10:39.46 | kombi | RichiH: don't recall that option, -d as in don't actually to anything? |
| 10:39.54 | kombi | will do.. |
| 10:40.19 | RichiH | as a general rule of thumb, check the manpage if you don't know what an option does ;) |
| 10:40.26 | RichiH | don't just trust people on irc |
| 10:40.34 | kombi | sorry, just did..;) |
| 10:41.00 | themill | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 10:41.05 | themill | bah |
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| 10:41.30 | themill | kombi: [11:41] <dpkg> Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 10:41.34 | mquin | especially not RichiH |
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| 10:42.18 | kombi | RichiH: glibc-2.9-1 has no release candidate.. |
| 10:42.40 | streuner | mquin: if that was a joke, it was just lame :-) |
| 10:43.15 | themill | kombi: there's no such package in debian. Use aptitude not apt-get here as it will probably solve your problems straight off, and follow the steps I just gave you from dpkg. |
| 10:43.22 | mquin | streuner: would _you_ trust RichiH? ;) |
| 10:43.57 | kombi | themill: sounds adventureous (shudder..) |
| 10:44.03 | streuner | mquin: well, i know him about more than 10 years, there wasnt an issue in those years. |
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| 10:44.32 | kombi | did you ever bump into each other in the real world? |
| 10:44.43 | kombi | (just out of curiosity) |
| 10:45.00 | mquin | streuner: :) |
| 10:45.02 | RichiH | most people who met me irl would prolly describe me a batshit crazy and reliable |
| 10:45.12 | RichiH | something which i would have to tend to agree with |
| 10:45.36 | kombi | streuner, do you approve? |
| 10:46.02 | RichiH | i don't think i met streuner, yet |
| 10:46.21 | RichiH | but then, my irc memory is long while my real life memory is flaky |
| 10:46.27 | kombi | lol... |
| 10:47.01 | streuner | well, you able to know people, even when its ONLY IRC |
| 10:47.20 | kombi | damn right |
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| 10:51.02 | kombi | themill: And if I just replaced "testing" with "lenny" in sources.list? |
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| 10:52.11 | themill | umm.... you're trying to downgrade from testing to lenny? |
| 10:52.20 | Almad | Hi, what should cause that on one lenny system, package installs OK and on another I get .PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version ? |
| 10:54.00 | kombi | themill: I must admit I had debian boxes for some 10 years but to this day I can't keep track with version names... 5.0 in debian_version and "testing" in sources, what do I have? |
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| 10:56.20 | themill | a mess |
| 10:56.26 | kombi | themill: sigh... |
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| 10:57.00 | themill | kombi: do you want to run testing or stable? |
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| 10:58.28 | kombi | themill: whatever is easier now to resolve given it complains about glibc |
| 10:59.19 | themill | kombi: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt perl; apt-cache policy" for me? |
| 10:59.25 | tuv | debian-multimedia's flashplayer-mozilla behaves a lot better than the debian wiki's workaround on squeeze amd64 |
| 11:00.09 | themill | tuv: that's frequently been my experience with the flash packages |
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| 11:01.29 | tuv | the wiki should suggest that as a first solution, if dmm repository is an option. if not, one can go ahead and use the workaround |
| 11:01.38 | kombi | themill: http://pastebin.se/201720 |
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| 11:02.44 | themill | tuv: feel free to suggest that yourself. Many of the multimedia maintainers in debian don't like dmm though because of the problems it creates for them. |
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| 11:05.39 | jelly | themill: they could talk to marillat and arrange acceptable compromises! |
| 11:05.41 | themill | tuv: ok, so it looks a lot like you've just got a slightly out-dated lenny there. Change all your sources.list entries back to lenny, then "aptitude update" and then: |
| 11:05.41 | themill | [12:04] <dpkg> To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 11:05.41 | themill | jelly: either you care about ABI compatability or you don't. |
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| 11:05.41 | themill | !wb |
| 11:05.41 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 11:05.41 | jelly | themill: well, I care more about software being actually usable than I care about the ABI just for the ABI |
| 11:06.06 | themill | jelly: well, lack of ABI compatability is a great way of having un-usable software. |
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| 11:06.29 | jelly | yes, that's a good rule of thumb. |
| 11:06.39 | tuv | damn.. aptitude's search syntax is as puzzling as sed scripts |
| 11:07.00 | jelly | s/tuv/small sed script/g |
| 11:08.04 | tuv | no more |
| 11:08.57 | themill | tuv: that one is particularly bad because of #579603. It otherwise wouldn't be so ugly. |
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| 11:10.18 | jelly | kombi: those versions of important stuff look like they're all from lenny, so you might be able to s/testing/lenny/g in sources.list with not much harm done |
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| 11:11.51 | jelly | kombi: the symptom described in your first line could have been caused by an admin wanting to do a lenny->squeeze migration a few months back, but stopping after changing sources.list and doing aptitude update once |
| 11:12.13 | themill | bah... that was for kombi not tuv. |
| 11:13.02 | themill | kombi: as jelly said -- try changing the sources.list to lenny, aptitude update, and then "/msg dpkg not available" and pastebin the output. |
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| 11:17.36 | kombi | thanks themill, thanks jelly! |
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| 11:23.23 | kombi | themill, jelly: http://pastebin.se/201721 |
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| 11:35.09 | Jafet | How do I restore a grub MBR loader if I have a strange partitioning scheme? grub-install /dev/sda fails: "no mapping exists for `blah'", where blah is a filesystem in encrypted LV. |
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| 11:35.42 | Jafet | (Alternatively, how do I restore the loader and point it to all the existing modules in /boot?) |
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| 11:39.01 | kombi | themill: shall I aptitude upgrade? |
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| 11:42.05 | kombi | jelly? |
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| 11:42.19 | dekroning | is it possible to disable filesystem check from grub ? |
| 11:42.22 | jelly | kombi: many of those are packages to upgrade to current lenny versions, eg. apt from 0.7.20.2 to 0.7.20.2+lenny2, so it would be prudent to upgrade if this weren't a producion system |
| 11:42.43 | jelly | kombi: if you have time to fix any possible breakage, yes |
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| 11:43.09 | kombi | whoops, I might not... |
| 11:43.32 | jelly | kombi: schedule downtime. |
| 11:44.08 | Jafet | dekroning: which filesystem check you want disabled? |
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| 11:44.47 | dekroning | Jafet: well i've got an error on one of my filesystems, however i would like to temporarily just start up, even though there is a error |
| 11:45.47 | Jafet | Does the kernel load when you boot? |
| 11:46.19 | dekroning | Jafet: yes but it goes into fsck |
| 11:46.21 | xand | dekroning: is it the root fs? |
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| 11:47.04 | abrotman | dekroning: hit ctrl-c ? |
| 11:47.06 | xand | dekroning: get it to start in maintenance mode and comment it out of fstab |
| 11:47.11 | xand | or that |
| 11:47.32 | dekroning | xand: it's the /boot paritition |
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| 11:50.39 | pif | hi, is there a tool to upgrade a dell bios under debian? |
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| 11:50.59 | abrotman | pif: a decent company should offer you an ISO to burn |
| 11:51.54 | jelly | abrotman: are you implying something about dell and decency |
| 11:52.15 | dekroning | xand: k thanks i'll try that |
| 11:52.33 | xand | dekroning: if it's /boot then I'm not sure that'd work |
| 11:53.32 | dekroning | xand: to disable the filesystem check, i just make sure that the 6th (last) field in /etc/fstab is set to 0 right ? |
| 11:53.42 | xand | yeah maybe |
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| 11:58.23 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:05.24 | apt_get | Hi |
| 12:05.50 | apt_get | for ETCH, where can I find the right repositories for source.lis? |
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| 12:07.32 | abrotman | jelly: yes |
| 12:07.42 | abrotman | apt_get: please use lenny, etch is no longer supported |
| 12:08.24 | jelly | apt_get: /msg dpkg etch->lenny; /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 12:08.33 | xstation | I want to install the wine source tar ball into lenny is the way to do it a) untar thr tar ball b)cd into tar ball dir c) run ./configure d) make e) make clean f) make install |
| 12:09.02 | jelly | xstation: swap d) and e) or omit e) |
| 12:09.22 | jelly | xstation: also, do apt-get build-dep wine before installing |
| 12:09.27 | abrotman | xstation: or ask #winehq |
| 12:09.49 | xstation | abortman: thankyou always ever the same!!!!!!!!! |
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| 12:10.10 | abrotman | okay then |
| 12:10.28 | xstation | jelly: thankyou at least yiou gave some ideas |
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| 12:10.38 | apt_get | its safe for now to use the 'testing' for a server? or continue to use lenny? |
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| 12:11.11 | streuner | no, we recommend lenny/stable for servers |
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| 12:12.32 | ksk | depends what u want to do imho |
| 12:12.38 | xstation | jelly: running apt-get install wine gives a easy option but not the present release |
| 12:12.55 | ksk | if its just "to play around" you could take testing ofc |
| 12:12.56 | apt_get | maybe more 4 months squeeze will be stable : ) |
| 12:13.05 | ksk | but if you want it stable lenny is the choice |
| 12:13.07 | abrotman | no, use lenny |
| 12:14.00 | apt_get | and for the old ETCH, can I install e2fsprogs with ext4 support? |
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| 12:14.57 | streuner | !ext4 |
| 12:14.58 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:15.25 | abrotman | apt_get: DO NOT USE ETCH |
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| 12:15.48 | apt_get | but I have some servers with ETCH and cant modify them right now |
| 12:15.48 | streuner | well, if you upgrade all those things, its available in etch then, but thats a lot of headaches, just use lenny |
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| 12:16.55 | PinkFreud | apt_get: if you can't modify those servers, then you won't be installing ext4 support. |
| 12:17.17 | apt_get | okay |
| 12:18.38 | PinkFreud | apt_get: the only way this channel will support you adding ext4 support is if you upgrade to lenny first. otherwise, you're on your own. |
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| 12:20.09 | jelly | apt_get: debian doesn't support skipping releases, so you'll have to upgrade to lenny first anyway |
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| 12:20.25 | streuner | if he going to upgrade all those packages he using at the end not etch, rather lenny then, anyway :-) |
| 12:20.25 | abrotman | though with a bpo kernel, lenny can have ext4 |
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| 12:21.27 | jelly | yes, possibly with some boot loader issues |
| 12:23.11 | PinkFreud | lenny does include a grub2 package, though. |
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| 12:23.29 | abrotman | i don't think that grub2 can boot ext4 |
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| 12:23.50 | abrotman | though there is also a bpo grub2, not sure if that has that ability |
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| 12:23.56 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
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| 12:25.23 | PinkFreud | according to bug 511121, grub-pc does have ext4 support. |
| 12:25.30 | abrotman | which version has it? |
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| 12:26.01 | pamila | Hey! I was wondering if any of you could give me some help with IcedTea6. I'm having problems getting it to work on one particular site (www.veikkaus.fi). It works fine on all other sites except this one. I'm just getting a gray box with a message "Start: applet not initialized.". Is there an error console or such anywhere? I'm currently using squeeze with the latest icedtea+iceweasel. |
| 12:26.15 | PinkFreud | unknown. the email in question is dated April 12 2009, from Robert Millan |
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| 12:26.58 | streuner | PinkFreud: nice realname, btw :-) |
| 12:27.12 | abrotman | prefers his hostname |
| 12:27.29 | PinkFreud | streuner: :) |
| 12:27.36 | abrotman | !phillysmite PinkFreud |
| 12:27.36 | dpkg | obliterates PinkFreud with a gallon of CheezWhiz |
| 12:28.01 | PinkFreud | dies in the cheesiest manner possible |
| 12:28.21 | abrotman | that's better than the bucket of Schuylkill River water ... |
| 12:28.27 | PinkFreud | abrotman: indeed :) |
| 12:28.43 | PinkFreud | streuner: now, can you figure out where that quote is from? :P |
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| 12:29.15 | abrotman | pamila: it's entirely possible the site is using some part of java not in icedtea |
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| 12:29.58 | pamila | abrotman: Yes I'm aware of that. That's why i asked if there's an error console like Sun Java has. |
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| 12:30.13 | streuner | PinkFreud: nah, but i like this quote :-) |
| 12:30.14 | abrotman | oh, that i don't know .. |
| 12:30.22 | PinkFreud | streuner: hehe |
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| 12:41.41 | aguitel | y |
| 12:41.58 | streuner | x |
| 12:42.04 | Zharf | z |
| 12:43.55 | aguitel | anyone get bugs in kde4 in squeeze? |
| 12:44.27 | SeySayux | Hi, I'm trying to install something from backports on my lenny box. However, it says it's already the latest version. I'm using these instructions: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 12:45.28 | jelly | aguitel: yes. |
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| 12:46.06 | aguitel | jelly, y try to change the background in the panel and have bugs |
| 12:46.45 | jelly | aguitel: best to file a bug report |
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| 12:47.35 | aguitel | jelly, bug appears in squeeze or in lenny to? |
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| 12:49.35 | jelly | aguitel: lenny doesn't have KDE4 |
| 12:50.03 | aguitel | jelly, a ok |
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| 12:52.45 | SeySayux | No-one an idea what I can do? |
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| 12:54.39 | abrotman | SeySayux: aptitude -t lenny-backports install foo |
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| 12:55.55 | SeySayux | abrotman: Doesn't work, either. |
| 12:56.03 | abrotman | SeySayux: pastebin? |
| 12:56.10 | abrotman | your sources.list and the output of the command |
| 12:56.12 | SeySayux | abrotman: 1 sec |
| 12:58.19 | SeySayux | abrotman: http://codepad.org/JzTiwMQw |
| 12:58.40 | abrotman | aptitude .. not apt-get |
| 12:58.42 | abrotman | this is NOT ubuntu |
| 12:58.54 | abrotman | and make sure you do an `aptitude update` first |
| 12:59.14 | SeySayux | abrotman: as you can see, I used both apt-get and aptitude. |
| 12:59.34 | SeySayux | and I did use apt-get update (not aptitude update, but I'm trying that right now) |
| 12:59.36 | abrotman | judd: versions doxygen |
| 12:59.38 | judd | doxygen -- etch: 1.5.1-1; etch-backports: 1.5.6-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.5.6-2; squeeze: 1.6.3-1; sid: 1.7.1-1 |
| 12:59.42 | abrotman | there is no backport .. |
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| 13:00.03 | abrotman | SeySayux: you are also in need of an `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` |
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| 13:00.31 | SeySayux | Upgrade to squeeze? Isn't that, like, unstable? |
| 13:00.36 | abrotman | no, it won't do that |
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| 13:01.43 | SeySayux | Hmm, okay, no backport, so how am I going to get a newer Doxygen? Not at all? |
| 13:02.34 | abrotman | you could backport it yourself .. but you sohuld take care of that full-upgrade first |
| 13:02.41 | abrotman | you're probably missing a few security updates |
| 13:03.08 | SeySayux | What's the difference between upgrade and full-upgrade? |
| 13:03.31 | abrotman | it's 'safe-upgrade' and 'full-upgrade' now .. and the man page for aptitude describes this |
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| 13:06.12 | SeySayux | Okay, got it. |
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| 13:07.33 | alinux_ | hi all, OFFTOPIC I want to buy a bash scripting book, have found a few good ones on Amazon but I really would like to know if there is a book someone of you guys tried and highly recommends..thanks |
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| 13:08.15 | themill | alinux_: #bash is more likely to be useful for that |
| 13:08.38 | alinux_ | themill: thanks kind of slow at #bash today :) |
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| 13:09.11 | SeySayux | I believe my problem still isn't solved. |
| 13:09.13 | abrotman | alinux_: be patient |
| 13:09.16 | abrotman | SeySayux: which problem? |
| 13:09.22 | abrotman | you have more than one :) |
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| 13:09.43 | SeySayux | abrotman: Such as? I only recall that I need a new version of doxygen. |
| 13:09.55 | abrotman | and you have packages that aren't being upgraded with possible security issues |
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| 13:11.33 | SeySayux | abrotman: that has been resolved. |
| 13:11.37 | abrotman | !tell SeySayux about ssb |
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| 13:12.49 | SeySayux | abrotman: Okay, I'll try that out |
| 13:13.05 | abrotman | SeySayux: make sure it's a deb-src, not a deb line .. we don't want you to upgrade to sid ... |
| 13:13.17 | SeySayux | abrotman: I understood that. |
| 13:13.43 | abrotman | just making sure .. you wouldn't be the first that hadn't |
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| 13:14.26 | cable_Guy | czesc |
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| 13:15.06 | abrotman | !cz |
| 13:15.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | if there's anyone there |
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| 13:16.07 | cable_Guy | ktos pisze po polsku :P? |
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| 13:17.51 | abrotman | !pl |
| 13:17.51 | dpkg | pl is, like, polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 13:18.07 | cable_Guy | xD |
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| 13:21.50 | doudou | hi, i install lenny from etch, but startx does not exist anymore, how do i launch my fluxbox now? |
| 13:22.18 | cast | startx exists in lenny |
| 13:22.39 | doudou | it was a bad idea to update etch to lenny ... it was so long, more than 4 hours, stopping sometime to ask enter |
| 13:22.45 | cast | $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/startx |
| 13:22.46 | cast | xinit: /usr/bin/startx |
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| 13:23.27 | cast | it would have been a worse idea to stay with etch |
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| 13:24.02 | doudou | good idea could have to install from zero |
| 13:24.11 | Optic | doudou: did it boot after? :) |
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| 13:24.25 | disown | I'm looking for a tool to help identify the culprit of some spurious cpu spikes. Something which could run in bg and monitor cpu usage until a peak with a certain duration / characteristics occur. Any tips? |
| 13:24.27 | doudou | yes i am here with it, weechat |
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| 13:25.13 | PinkFreud | disown: look into dstat |
| 13:25.22 | doudou | dpkg -S says /usr/bin/startx is not found |
| 13:25.23 | dpkg | Package: says /usr/bin/startx is not found: Status: install ok installed |
| 13:26.04 | doudou | if i launch X it launch something but stop before that fluxbox is here, so i cant do anything |
| 13:26.45 | Justin | doudou: launch X how? |
| 13:26.47 | disown | PinkFreud: any specific flags? dstat is huge, I've tried before... |
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| 13:28.43 | doudou | if i type X from command, it lauch graphic page white and black pixel and mouse and no more |
| 13:28.47 | Computer | grub/menu.lst is generated with the drive's mapped names, and i want to boot by their UUID |
| 13:29.06 | Computer | if i just edit menu.lst, it will revert back to mapped names after i apply a kernel update or something |
| 13:29.11 | Computer | how can i fix this? |
| 13:29.15 | Justin | doudou: well yes, that is what happens when you start X like that. don't do that. |
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| 13:30.54 | doudou | yes, i suppose this mean that xserver is installed, i need a way to launch it, if i type fluxbox it says can connect to xserver |
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| 13:31.19 | doudou | what command repace startx to launch xserver and fluxbox? |
| 13:31.37 | Justin | doudou: aptitude install xorg |
| 13:31.50 | doudou | justin i use F1 key and they Ctrl C to stop it |
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| 13:32.02 | PinkFreud | disown: Not off the top of my head. The man page is your friend. :) |
| 13:33.07 | doudou | install xserver-xorg no more? |
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| 13:33.23 | Justin | xserver-xorg is the x server. you already have that |
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| 13:34.05 | doudou | what is minimum to run fluxbox? |
| 13:34.33 | doudou | i dont want xdm or something, i like the black screen, remmember my youth |
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| 13:35.02 | doudou | i got startx now, it works |
| 13:35.07 | doudou | thanks |
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| 13:37.01 | lblume | Hi all. I'm trying to get pam_ldap to work on a Lenny box using TLS. However, it's always saying it can't contact the server; ldapsearch fails as well if I ask for a strict certificate check; I did install the CA cert, so I'm a bit lost now. |
| 13:37.11 | doudou | i leave, all works |
| 13:37.14 | doudou | quit |
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| 13:37.57 | the-dude | lblume: which guide did you follow? |
| 13:38.23 | lblume | I have found no guide explaining how to set up the TLS part, only bits and pieces. |
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| 13:39.04 | gnoob | Hi guys, I've got a slick debian server running samba.. Works great:) Thinking of turning off, disableing or uninstalling NFS.. Since this is a windows only network. Can someone give me a hint of whats best practise here? Or if I should leave it on? |
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| 13:39.43 | Justin | gnoob: why was it ever enabled in the first place if you don't use it? |
| 13:39.53 | ethanol | guys, regarding the allow-hotplug stanza in /network/interfaces -- does it have ANY further use than that described in manpage (ifup --allow=hotplug) ? |
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| 13:40.02 | lblume | the-dude: If you know of any good one, I'll happily go RTFM :-) |
| 13:40.16 | ethanol | like, does it have anything to do with actually hotplugging a cable in and out of a nic? |
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| 13:40.26 | gnoob | Justin i dont know.. I selected fileserver during debian installation and got it installed, configured and running without me wanting that :) |
| 13:40.30 | ethanol | or does 'auto' pretty much cover it all? |
| 13:40.37 | the-dude | lblume: show me which one you used |
| 13:40.39 | Justin | gnoob: oh. so just uninstall it |
| 13:41.02 | gnoob | Justin, ok so that would be perfectly safe to do? :) |
| 13:41.14 | Justin | yes |
| 13:41.14 | gnoob | no important part of samba? |
| 13:41.18 | Justin | nope |
| 13:41.20 | gnoob | thanks for help:) |
| 13:41.42 | Justin | if it was, trying to remove nfs will ask to remove samba |
| 13:42.42 | lblume | the-dude: Those: http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM http://www.debian-administration.org/article/OpenLDAP_installation_on_Debian |
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| 13:42.54 | gnoob | ohh I see:) So when aptitude remove nfs, if I see samba packages wanting to be uninstalled, I should think twice I guess, and if not,. full throttle :) |
| 13:43.35 | the-dude | lblume: are you able to connect without tls ? |
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| 13:44.23 | lblume | Yes, or using ldapsearch, with TLS without certificate check |
| 13:45.53 | the-dude | so if you use a certificate it stops working? |
| 13:46.16 | lblume | If I set it to check certificate validity. |
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| 13:47.00 | the-dude | and are you sure it is valid? |
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| 13:49.40 | lblume | Well, openssl verify says so, and it works fine on multiple CentOS/RHEL/Solaris boxes with strict checking. |
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| 13:54.18 | lblume | the main difference appears to be GNUtls, but I can't see what makes it unhappy. |
| 13:55.05 | the-dude | lblume: did you try increasing de log level? |
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| 13:56.59 | lblume | For ldapsearch, yes, but it didn't tell me much more. ¨Certificate untrusted or revoked¨. Any other log to look at? |
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| 13:59.19 | the-dude | lblume: ldapserver |
| 14:00.34 | r101011 | Hey ive got a large file server that holds work files, that need to be accessed by a few people on windows servers, and im worried about them getting a virus and it deleting/modifiying the files, how could I prvent that? its running Samba and all the employees need to be able to access and sometimes modify the files |
| 14:02.02 | lblume | the-dude: On the server? Why? It's serving its certificate as expected, there no fault that I can see on this side. Since the TLS connection doesn t go anywhere because of the client, I doubt there will be much to see there :-/ |
| 14:02.22 | the-dude | lblume: then don't look :) |
| 14:03.45 | lblume | Theres only one species of client complaining, which tend to point a finger towrds it ;-) |
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| 14:04.29 | the-dude | perhaps try to strace it with strace |
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| 14:12.51 | lblume | the-dude: I've straced it as much as I could :-) It opens /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, and since I've set there TLS_CACERT instead of TLS_CACERTDIR, it does open the CA file, but that's it. It still fails. |
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| 14:14.34 | the-dude | lblume: does it have the right permissions? |
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| 14:16.01 | ksk | is there a package for the publickeys for the debian repo? |
| 14:16.20 | ksk | im gettin these errors "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302" |
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| 14:17.38 | ksk | it also says " You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" - but these errors happen if i do apt-get/aptitude update |
| 14:17.52 | Justin | ksk: debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:18.16 | ksk | is installed :( |
| 14:18.22 | ksk | dpkg -l | grep archive-keyring |
| 14:18.23 | ksk | ii debian-archive-keyring 2008.04.16+nmu1 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 14:18.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep archive-keyring |
| 14:18.35 | ksk | oh sry, forgot the trigger... |
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| 14:18.46 | Justin | ksk: that is the old package |
| 14:18.48 | themill | ,versions grep archive-keyring |
| 14:18.50 | judd | grep -- etch: 2.5.1.ds2-6; lenny: 2.5.3~dfsg-6; sid: 2.6.3-3; squeeze: 2.6.3-3 |
| 14:18.53 | themill | ,versions debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:18.55 | judd | debian-archive-keyring -- etch: 2009.01.31; etch-volatile: 2009.01.31; lenny: 2009.01.31; sid: 2009.01.31; squeeze: 2009.01.31 |
| 14:19.19 | lblume | the-dude: 644, as expected |
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| 14:20.10 | ksk | okay, but how to get it? :X its the newest version apt/aptitude offers to me |
| 14:21.28 | themill | ksk: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring; aptitude search '~U' |
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| 14:23.49 | alys | Please: I have just installed debian lenny on Intel 64 bit and I want to use gnome. It seems I cannot change the [fixed] screen resolution that is far too high for me. The computer has an nvidia graphics card. Any suggestions? Thank you. |
| 14:24.41 | alys | I think, at present, the video is vesa rather than xorg - but I cannot be certain of that. |
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| 14:25.28 | ksk | themill: http://www.knubz.de/dl/pastebin |
| 14:25.34 | ksk | "Candidate: 2009.01.31 |
| 14:25.35 | ksk | " |
| 14:25.42 | ksk | but donno how to get it |
| 14:25.46 | ksk | thanks for your help so far! |
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| 14:26.35 | quiritius | alys: see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and then use nvidia settings utility. |
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| 14:27.27 | alys | quiritius: thanks a lot - I'll do just that.... |
| 14:28.08 | OpenTokix | Anyone familiar with the d-i 2.6.32 backported bootimages? |
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| 14:30.00 | quiritius | ,versions mc |
| 14:30.03 | judd | mc -- etch: 1:4.6.1-6; lenny: 2:4.6.2~git20080311-4; sid: 3:4.7.0.6-1; squeeze: 3:4.7.0.6-1 |
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| 14:32.31 | lblume | the-dude: I just found a workaround, that rather surprises me. It seems to work with ldaps:// (ie ssl instead of starttls) |
| 14:33.17 | the-dude | lblume: that sounds strange yes |
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| 14:36.19 | ksk | no idea? :> |
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| 14:38.39 | lblume | the-dude: I spoke too soon, It's even stranger. I had disabled tls_checkpeer before in pam_ldap.conf. It had changed nothing. Now, if I re-enable it, it stops working again. |
| 14:40.22 | lblume | Does anybody actually do certificate check on Debian? |
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| 14:42.11 | nttrl5 | Hello, can anyone help me with a boot issue? Occasionally after dist-upgrades, my Sid box fails to boot because /sbin/modprobe mysteriously loses exec priveleges. Sometimes I can fix this by running "chmod +x" on /mount/disk/sbin/modprobe in a LiveCD, but it doesn't seem to work now. |
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| 14:47.52 | themill | ksk: you need to "aptitude safe-upgrade" or possibly, "aptitude full-upgrade". You have quite a few packages that need to be upgraded there. |
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| 14:49.39 | radiomark | Hi, where can I find the packages for Debian Etch? |
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| 14:50.07 | SparFux | That is mighty wicked. Two days ago I had severe problems doing aptitude update which stalled and even the connections to local network were stalling very frequently. |
| 14:50.31 | SparFux | Yesterday, aptitude worked again out of nothing and I updated, but still local loopback connections stalled most of the times. |
| 14:50.45 | SparFux | Today, everything is ok agian. I can do local connections. What the fuck is going on? |
| 14:51.10 | rudi_s | !tell radiomark about etch |
| 14:51.14 | lblume | Well, give that pam_ldap thing for thw weekend, thanks for your help the-dude, bye all. |
| 14:51.17 | rudi_s | !tell radiomark about etch->lenny |
| 14:51.35 | rudi_s | radiomark: You shouldn't use etch anymore, better update to lenny. |
| 14:51.54 | radiomark | rudi_s: I can see that, unfortuntately upgrading isn't something I feel confident in doing just yet |
| 14:52.24 | radiomark | rudi_s: I'm a novice with Debian, and I'd like to ensure the system is an up-to-date Etch before breaking anything |
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| 14:52.50 | rudi_s | radiomark: Then use the URL provided in the message from dpkg and it use it sources.list |
| 14:53.34 | bulletz | what is the best distro on the earth and moon? |
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| 14:54.41 | dcbevins | etch is in archive now, no security updates, lenny is the current stable, maybe try it in a virtual machine if your unsure of it |
| 14:54.44 | SparFux | bulletz: Debiaan sid! |
| 14:54.57 | radiomark | rudi_s: sorry, I can't find a URL to use in sources.list |
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| 14:55.10 | dcbevins | end of life was feb 15 2009 |
| 14:55.19 | rudi_s | !tell radiomark about etch sources.list |
| 14:55.21 | bulletz | what is the best distro on the earth and moon? |
| 14:55.53 | rudi_s | bulletz: No idea, I've never been on the moon. |
| 14:56.02 | themill | bulletz: idoru told you what it thought of that question last time. You're in #debian, we're going to say debian. |
| 14:56.35 | ksk | themill: thanks four your help. if i do this all on the machine everything is fine |
| 14:56.44 | ksk | so its a problem of my script ;) |
| 14:57.09 | dcbevins | the answer to the best disrto is "mu" |
| 14:57.19 | radiomark | rudi_s: Thanks, that's much clearer |
| 14:57.27 | rudi_s | np |
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| 14:57.57 | radiomark | dcbevins: I'm happy to upgrade, but I'd prefer to do it in my own time. Right now feels like I get bullied into upgrading, by things getting taken away |
| 14:58.02 | rudi_s | radiomark: dpkg is quite resourceful, asking "him" a few questions is always a good idea (don't do it in the channel). |
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| 14:58.43 | iwkse | hi, do you know if partimage allow to recover the already created parts and continue? I was going to backup a partition and when it was already at 80% i got a %&!$!! electric power off and since it's around 400GB i'd have to lose other hours :\ |
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| 14:59.22 | dcbevins | sorry you feel bullied, but i imagine it is hard to support versions that have expired past thier end of life cycle though, resources arent ulimited in open source |
| 14:59.48 | radiomark | dcbevins: Of course, I understand |
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| 14:59.58 | Bushmills | gpart allows to find lost partitions |
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| 15:00.24 | Bushmills | but it can't repair corrupt or lost/moved data in them in any way |
| 15:00.30 | radiomark | dcbevins: I'm experienced with Linux though, so I know what the box is running (exposed to the outside world etc.), so I'd prefer to do an "if it ain't broke don't fix it", until I need to upgrade |
| 15:00.54 | iwkse | Bushmills: it was for me? |
| 15:01.14 | themill | radiomark: the trouble is that "your own time" was any time in the last 18 months. There was 12 months of overlapping support for etch and lenny to let you test things out and do the upgrade at time of least inconvenience. |
| 15:01.15 | dcbevins | ra1nb0wi unserstand |
| 15:01.46 | Bushmills | yes. but - for backing up, with good part backed up already, depending on how you backed up - rsync may be of some help to continue where it left off |
| 15:01.51 | nttrl5 | Does anyone have any suggestions for fixi9ng a failure to boot due to modprobe losing exec priveleges? |
| 15:01.56 | radiomark | themill: that's okay, I'm not expecting etch to be supported forever. Just annoying that my provider takes away all the package repos |
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| 15:02.09 | dcbevins | just that the attention is off etchn now, it is on the current versions, as time goes on, its going to be like getting answers for 02/w warp or win3.1, you need a historian |
| 15:02.20 | radiomark | Haha, thanks |
| 15:02.46 | iwkse | Bushmills: so i don't have problems with lost partitions |
| 15:02.51 | themill | radiomark: etch was removed from Debian's mirrors a month ago, so your provider probably just did the same (or the mirror scripts just did that for them) |
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| 15:02.58 | radiomark | Well the good news is that now I have sources.list, I can see that it's an up-to-date etch installation |
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| 15:03.10 | radiomark | Or, rather I have just made it fully up-to-date, and cleaned up a few packages |
| 15:03.24 | iwkse | Bushmills: the issue is that since partimage didn't end it's job, i'd have to redo again from begin. i was asking if it was possible to restart from the last part created |
| 15:03.38 | iwkse | Bushmills: partimage splits the backup in several files |
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| 15:04.01 | themill | radiomark: fwiw, etch->lenny isn't that scary as upgrades go. lenny->squeeze is going to be much more "exciting" by the looks of things. |
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| 15:08.30 | nsadmin2 | how would I use dd to copy a large partition that has a few sector errors? |
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| 15:09.43 | nsadmin2 | I think they're like 10-12 contiguous sectors |
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| 15:10.41 | jelly | nsadmin2: dd_rescue is your friend |
| 15:10.44 | merethan | Quickest way to stop aptitude from asking for install cd's? |
| 15:10.52 | merethan | Anybody? |
| 15:10.55 | jordanm | merethan: disable the CD repo |
| 15:11.03 | abrotman | merethan: comment them out in your sources.list |
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| 15:11.19 | merethan | sourses.list is in /etc/where? |
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| 15:11.43 | jordanm | merethan: man sources.list |
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| 15:12.06 | simonrvn | needs to find/get a new hdd |
| 15:12.20 | nsadmin2 | man 5 sources.list |
| 15:12.20 | merethan | I hope aptitude doesn't cache that list |
| 15:12.41 | simonrvn | what? |
| 15:12.42 | jordanm | nsadmin2: I don't think there is another, is there? |
| 15:13.00 | merethan | If aptitude has this repo list cached, I 'll be skipping the cd questions for a while... |
| 15:13.01 | simonrvn | tmk no |
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| 15:13.39 | themill | merethan: every time you edit your sources.list, you should "aptitude update". |
| 15:13.40 | simonrvn | um, edit the file, it'll read it. it's cached, but it's checked before running. |
| 15:13.47 | nsadmin2 | I think I'm misinterpreting his tone and pacing |
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| 15:13.52 | simonrvn | and yes update after |
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| 15:14.34 | simonrvn | pitch and tone? right pitch and tone deaf! |
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| 15:15.51 | nsadmin2 | no, I'm probably misinterpreting him as "barking out orders" |
| 15:16.12 | jordanm | yes, I got that too... |
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| 15:16.34 | HellTiger | hi |
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| 15:17.16 | HellTiger | i wana mount on boot for my user some windows ntfs partitions, now i am not sure about the charset options, |
| 15:17.17 | HellTiger | /dev/sda1 /home/helltiger/001-Mount/001-Seagate ntfs-3g defaults,locale=de_DE.UTF-8 0 0 |
| 15:17.44 | HellTiger | do i have to put in locale=de_DE.UTF-8 ? |
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| 15:19.16 | eldowan | HellTiger: I don't specify locale in my ntfs fstab entries: /dev/disk/by-label/wdntfs /media/wdntfs ntfs-3g noauto,user,umask=0,gid=me,uid=me 0 0 |
| 15:19.52 | HellTiger | i am confuse, have readed some pages about it, and every one has different things in the "options" part |
| 15:19.56 | eldowan | HellTiger: You may want to specify the auto option to have it mount on boot automatically.. |
| 15:20.02 | HellTiger | noauto, auto, default |
| 15:20.27 | eldowan | HellTiger: noauto prevents being mounted at boot. auto trys to mount at boot, unsure of default. |
| 15:20.29 | merethan | simonrvn, I meant while running. I were bothered by lots of questions to insert a disc. But the questions remained after I commented out the cdrom repo. Not my lucky day :) |
| 15:20.43 | merethan | So yeah it was cached. |
| 15:20.52 | HellTiger | eldowan: why you dont let it mount on boot? |
| 15:20.52 | simonrvn | yeh, you didn't update. |
| 15:20.59 | merethan | I coulnt |
| 15:21.06 | merethan | I were still in the process of installing |
| 15:21.10 | simonrvn | you update when you change something |
| 15:21.13 | eldowan | I speficy umask=0 to give open permissions, and I specify gid and uid because I want to give a specific user ownership. |
| 15:21.13 | nsadmin2 | man aptitude |
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| 15:21.36 | doudou | how do i install monodevelop 2.4 from lenny? |
| 15:21.41 | merethan | When installing aptitude refuses to update, I tied. |
| 15:21.42 | eldowan | HellTiger: ^; it is a removable drive, so I don't expect it to be there at boot. I prefer to mount it manually. Strictly personal preference. |
| 15:21.50 | merethan | tried |
| 15:22.06 | HellTiger | eldowan: i only have one user, and if its safe i dont wana mount it, it will be nice if its mounted on login to the desktop. |
| 15:22.40 | babilen | ,versions monodevelop |
| 15:22.40 | HellTiger | so '/dev/sda1 /home/helltiger/001-Mount/001-Seagate ntfs-3g defaults 0 0' should work for me? |
| 15:22.42 | judd | monodevelop -- lenny: 1.0+dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 2.2.1+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.2.2+dfsg-1; squeeze: 2.2.2+dfsg-1; experimental: 2.4+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:22.46 | nsadmin2 | merethan: I'm probably misinterpreting your tone and pacing as being that of a coffee-hyped manager against a deadline and about to fire several employees if he doesn't get his way |
| 15:22.58 | merethan | Totally wrong |
| 15:23.00 | babilen | doudou: I wouldn't recommend to do so |
| 15:23.04 | eldowan | HellTiger: you don't want it to mount on boot, but after login? |
| 15:23.31 | HellTiger | its not that different for me |
| 15:23.45 | HellTiger | its a desktop, i wana log onto gnome and have them mounted. |
| 15:23.49 | nsadmin2 | on the very small chance I'm wrong, sorry about that. if I'm to not make that misinterpretation in the future, you ought to take a breath and slow down |
| 15:23.50 | HellTiger | without any more action |
| 15:23.52 | babilen | doudou: *If* the dependencies of monodevelop are satisfies in Lenny you *might* be able to backport the package from experimental or install locally from source (to e.g. /usr/local). But I doubt that this is the case |
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| 15:24.41 | simonrvn | merethan: you don't update while it's installing. duh. |
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| 15:25.04 | simonrvn | there's a reason for this behaviour. |
| 15:25.06 | eldowan | HellTiger: I'm not sure about GNOME (you'll have to do the research) but there should be a place to put startup scripts. edit the script to include mount /home/helltiger/.... |
| 15:25.45 | merethan | simonrvn, it was worth trying. I didn't expected it to work. |
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| 15:26.27 | simonrvn | experimentation, i understand. |
| 15:26.32 | eldowan | HellTiger: make sure the users option is specified, this will allow non root users to mount it. |
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| 15:26.50 | merethan | But now I have skipped the "can I have cdrom # plz?" for every single package, installing is complete. |
| 15:27.11 | HellTiger | thank you |
| 15:27.18 | HellTiger | i have a look on the sessions now. |
| 15:27.21 | eldowan | HellTiger: no problem. |
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| 15:28.22 | doudou | what do i need to run mono 2.4? |
| 15:29.06 | babilen | ,depends monodevelop --release experimental |
| 15:29.08 | judd | monodevelop -- depends: mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1), libc6 (>= 2.11) | libc6.1 (>= 2.11) | libc0.1 (>= 2.11), libcairo2 (>= 1.8.0-2), libgconf2.0-cil (>= 2.24.0), libglade2.0-cil (>= 2.12.10), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.12.10), libgnome-vfs2.0-cil (>= 2.24.0), libgnome2.24-cil (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.20.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.12.10), libgtkspell0, libmetacity-private0 (>= |
| 15:29.10 | judd | 1:2.26.0), libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil (>= 0.4), libmono-addins0.2-cil (>= 0.4), libmono-cairo2.0-cil (>= 2.4), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 2.6.3), libmono-microsoft-build2.0-cil (>= 2.6.3), libmono-posix2.0-cil (>= 2.4), libmono-system-data2.0-cil (>= 2.6.3), libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil (>= 2.4), libmono-system-web2.0-cil (>= 1.9.1), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 2.6.3), libmono-wcf3.0-cil (>= 2.6.3), (1 more message) |
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| 15:29.16 | babilen | doudou: that ^^^^ |
| 15:29.26 | doudou | i dont understand |
| 15:29.35 | merethan | nsadmin2, you gotta work in ye text interpretations a bit. I am in fact a 22 year old just messing aroud in his free time. |
| 15:29.46 | merethan | Just for fun. |
| 15:29.50 | babilen | doudou: Those are the dependencies of monodevelop 2.4 (as available in *experimental*) |
| 15:29.57 | merethan | Working on a streaming system for audio |
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| 15:30.24 | merethan | Going to do an CC-music webradio + live broadcasting from this music bar I play often. |
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| 15:30.44 | nsadmin2 | merethan: I will, if you'll slow down and take a few deep breaths per irc line :) |
| 15:31.13 | nsadmin2 | it feels a lot better now... it felt like barking before |
| 15:32.07 | babilen | doudou: As I said: I don't think that you can get monodevelop 2.4 working on lenny, because it is quite likely that the software versions needed by monodev 2.4 are too low in lenny |
| 15:32.37 | project2501a | hm. file extension .flc . contains ascii. google comes up naught. should be related to .tex. any clues? |
| 15:33.08 | nsadmin2 | you have to realize a lot of people who are here, are here all day... they take their own responsibility and all, but I occasionally speak for the helpers as a group |
| 15:33.13 | karlpinc | project2501a: You've tried using the file command? |
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| 15:33.29 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know how to get the X cursor to be the old default one? |
| 15:33.38 | babilen | doudou: you might have more luck if you make the jump to testing (i.e. squeeze) -- but I would *only* recommend that if you know your way around Debian and don't mind fixing problems that might occur once in a while |
| 15:33.41 | jamesstanley | For a while now debian has had a weird gradiented thing with a white centre and a black outline |
| 15:33.48 | project2501a | karlpinc: yeah |
| 15:33.50 | project2501a | ascii |
| 15:33.51 | babilen | doudou: Is the version shipped in lenny not usable for you? |
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| 15:34.29 | nsadmin2 | onto new business... dd_rescue? what's that? |
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| 15:35.18 | themill | project2501a: what are the contents of the file? Some packages dump stuff out into intermediate files for later use so the contents might give you a clue as to which \usepackage is involved. |
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| 15:36.01 | babilen | nsadmin2: Read the manpage :) |
| 15:36.16 | nsadmin2 | yeah I'm googling now |
| 15:36.41 | project2501a | themill: random(?) ascii |
| 15:37.15 | project2501a | file says: mira_main.tex.flc: Emacs v18 byte-compiled Lisp data |
| 15:37.41 | jordanm | v18?? |
| 15:37.46 | nsadmin2 | since dd_rescue cannot be the package name, what is? |
| 15:37.50 | project2501a | i don't even know what v18 is |
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| 15:38.07 | project2501a | oh |
| 15:38.10 | project2501a | version 18 :) |
| 15:38.14 | themill | dpkg: tell nsadmin2 about search |
| 15:38.21 | project2501a | yeah, bioinformaticians are funny like that. |
| 15:38.39 | project2501a | bio pipelines are fragile things. they tent to stick with a single thing |
| 15:38.40 | jordanm | according to wikipedia, emacs 18 was release in 1986 |
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| 15:39.06 | themill | project2501a: does auctex dump out cached stuff like that? (no idea, never used it) |
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| 15:39.40 | project2501a | no idea either man. |
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| 15:40.17 | plus_M | how do I make echo parse \n as newline? When I do echo "Test\n\nTest" it gives me back Test\n\nTest |
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| 15:40.26 | jelly | plus_M: -e |
| 15:40.27 | jordanm | plus_M: -n |
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| 15:40.32 | plus_M | is it -e or -n |
| 15:40.37 | jelly | !TIAS |
| 15:40.37 | themill | tias! |
| 15:40.37 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 15:40.44 | plus_M | I see |
| 15:40.49 | jelly | indeed! |
| 15:40.53 | plus_M | it is -e |
| 15:40.56 | plus_M | jelly: thx |
| 15:41.03 | jelly | np |
| 15:41.07 | necrite | anyone knows how can i fix this problem? http://pastebin.com/8AYgsrnq |
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| 15:41.27 | jordanm | plus_M: in the future, you can do "help echo" (not man because it is a shell builtin |
| 15:41.36 | plus_M | right |
| 15:42.13 | jelly | to be pedantic, there is also a /bin/echo so man will show something, but not necessarily the exact same command you'll actually use |
| 15:42.32 | themill | necrite: easiest approach is to purge the package and try again. ucf is handling the config files so "confmiss" doesn't do what you want. |
| 15:42.35 | jordanm | ,versions nagiosgrapher |
| 15:42.37 | judd | nagiosgrapher -- etch-backports: 1.6.1rc5-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.1rc5-6; lenny-backports: 1.7.1-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1.7.1-2; squeeze: 1.7.1-2 |
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| 15:43.06 | jordanm | seems to be revision out of date |
| 15:43.27 | loopy1 | can I ask questions here if I use lxde desktop? |
| 15:43.38 | nsadmin2 | -su: tias: command not found |
| 15:43.39 | jordanm | loopy1: if you use it on debian, sure |
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| 15:44.08 | loopy1 | jordan: yes, debian sqeeze |
| 15:44.39 | ChristopheT | I have a core i7 laptop running Debian. If a suspend and resume, a CPU intensive program runs twice as fast as it used after a fresh boot. I'd really like to understand what's going on... Any pointers are very appreciated! |
| 15:44.50 | loopy1 | I installed a program but cannot figure out what directory I run it from if I run it from CLI |
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| 15:45.02 | loopy1 | I would like to add it to the menu as well |
| 15:45.09 | jordanm | loopy1: dpkg -L <package you installed> |
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| 15:45.15 | loopy1 | I looked in /usr/bin but I'm confused :( |
| 15:45.31 | jordanm | loopy1: also, debian specific information can often be found in /usr/share/doc/<name of package>/ |
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| 15:46.04 | loopy1 | jordanm: huh? dpkg -l? |
| 15:46.13 | jordanm | no, -L |
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| 15:46.51 | nsadmin2 | loopy1 take a look at the output of dpkg --help |
| 15:46.57 | ZeroEnna | Hi @ all |
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| 15:47.11 | nsadmin2 | might want to feed that to more or less :) |
| 15:47.26 | ZeroEnna | I deleted /var/cache/debconf/config.dat by mistake.... what can I do beside reinstall the system? |
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| 15:47.53 | loopy1 | no one here uses bittorrent? |
| 15:48.03 | themill | ZeroEnna: there's an -old file in the same directory |
| 15:48.07 | loopy1 | sorry, that doesn't help... I already looked at all that |
| 15:48.23 | ChristopheT | Forgot to mention: My kernel is 2.6.34.1 and the program is single threaded. |
| 15:49.03 | necrite | themill, omg tks.. i just have to remove those lines in the hashfile :) |
| 15:49.08 | necrite | thanks |
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| 15:50.38 | ZeroEnna | i... deleted the whole directory |
| 15:50.44 | ZeroEnna | shame on me xD |
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| 15:50.56 | ZeroEnna | I was looking hmm cache.... seems like old junk to me |
| 15:50.58 | ZeroEnna | am rm -rf |
| 15:51.38 | weedar | I'd like to provide tor compiled for sparc-architecture as a debian-sarge package - Is that quick&easy or should I just give up already? |
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| 15:53.10 | loopy1 | I guess this is the way of saying, 'we won't help you , go figure it out yourself?' |
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| 15:54.13 | themill | loopy1: I haven't the first clue what your actual question is |
| 15:55.00 | loopy1 | themill: i downloaded bittorrent and bittorent-gui but they didn't go in the menu... I would start if from CLI but I don't see how |
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| 15:55.40 | jelly | weedar: it's quick and easy if you know your way around building debian binary packages and backporting and your sparc isn't too slow |
| 15:55.40 | loopy1 | I think I need to cd to the path but i am not sure which one... if in /usr/bin... i don't know which after that |
| 15:55.59 | eldowan | loopy1: you downloaded them. Did you install them? Did you use aptitude? was it a tarball that you extraceted? did you build from source and use make install? |
| 15:56.04 | jelly | !tell weedar about ssb |
| 15:56.20 | loopy1 | yeah, i installed... from Synaptic |
| 15:56.25 | jelly | ,versions tor |
| 15:56.27 | judd | tor -- etch-backports: 0.2.0.34-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.2.0.35-1~lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.2.1.26-1~bpo50+1; lenny-volatile: 0.2.1.26-1~lennyvolatile1; sid: 0.2.1.26-1; squeeze: 0.2.1.26-1; experimental: 0.2.2.14-alpha-1 |
| 15:56.30 | loopy1 | no, it was in the repos |
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| 15:57.12 | ZeroEnna | any idea what I could do` |
| 15:57.19 | themill | loopy1: so "dpkg -L bittorrent-gui" shows a couple of things in /usr/bin. You just type the name of the relevant command. You don't necessarily need to cd anywhere first, unless the bt client wants to be started in the upload/download directory. |
| 15:57.20 | loopy1 | I installed Vuze previously and it went in the menu but I'm having problems with it |
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| 15:58.20 | weedar | jelly: The one for sarge is ancient, unfortunately - But are you saying it would be a waste of time? |
| 15:59.02 | jelly | weedar: I can't make that call |
| 15:59.16 | themill | weedar: perhaps because sarge is ancient? |
| 15:59.23 | eldowan | loopy1: quick test, open a console and type 'bitt' and hit the tab key a couple of times. it will show you all the programs you have in your PATH that start with bitt. if bittorrent-gui is there, the command 'which <executable>' will tell you where it is att. |
| 15:59.30 | themill | ZeroEnna: restore from backup is presumably too optimisitic here? If you just "aptitude reinstall debconf; dpkg-reconfigure -phigh -a" it will probably be fine. It's worth trying that first and if that fails, then consider reinstalling. |
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| 15:59.54 | eldowan | alternatively, you can use packages.debian.org and search based on your package names and look at the included files. from there you should be able to see what paths they were installed it. |
| 15:59.57 | eldowan | s/it/to/ |
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| 16:00.15 | nsadmin2 | jelly: ever use dd_rescue? |
| 16:00.23 | jelly | nsadmin2: yes. |
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| 16:00.44 | nsadmin2 | did you have occasion to change -B value? |
| 16:00.55 | jelly | nsadmin2: no need to |
| 16:01.07 | weedar | themill: True, but if I still have equipment running sarge there might be others I can help :) |
| 16:01.18 | nsadmin2 | I was considering going a cyl at a time |
| 16:01.45 | jelly | nsadmin2: that's useless. those cylinders aren't real anyway |
| 16:02.26 | jelly | nsadmin2: increasing -b however, can result in reduced CPU usage |
| 16:02.30 | mo_o | hey guys, i have a question for the ia64 netboot images |
| 16:02.31 | nsadmin2 | does the -B take bytes or -b-sized records? |
| 16:02.42 | mo_o | if i take a look at this: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-ia64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/ia64/ |
| 16:02.51 | jelly | nsadmin2: you're mixing them up, and both are bytes |
| 16:02.56 | mo_o | vmlinuz is the kernel i need to set up in my pxe enivorment, right? |
| 16:03.14 | nsadmin2 | oh, you're right |
| 16:03.28 | nsadmin2 | I don't want to touch -B, just -b |
| 16:03.58 | nsadmin2 | I was doing a copy before with blocksize = "fake cyl" size |
| 16:04.07 | eldowan | loopy1: and yet another option: apt-file show <package name> (you may need to install apt-file and run apt-file update) |
| 16:04.14 | nsadmin2 | the thing is I know how many records are good |
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| 16:04.56 | nsadmin2 | thanks, that was what I needed |
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| 16:05.25 | jelly | nsadmin2: that's irrelevant, dd_rescue will step down on its own when it encounters errors, also you can tell it offsets where to start and how far to go |
| 16:05.27 | joko | Hello... Any idea on how to flush my DNS cache? I don't think I use nscd or anything like that |
| 16:05.53 | nsadmin2 | right, my earlier data is calibrated in a particular way |
| 16:06.41 | jelly | nsadmin2: I just let it rip with -b $((2**20)) or $((2**22)) |
| 16:06.49 | valdyn | joko: theres no cache except inside an application |
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| 16:06.57 | jelly | (that's 1MiB or 4MiB) |
| 16:06.58 | nsadmin2 | joko: your linux uses libresolv to do name resolution which does not cache... |
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| 16:07.14 | nsadmin2 | if you run dnscache or a name server, those do cache |
| 16:07.19 | jelly | nsadmin2: except when nscd is active |
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| 16:07.47 | nsadmin2 | is that the kernel rexolver? |
| 16:08.00 | valdyn | nsadmin2: theres no kernel resolver |
| 16:08.16 | joko | I see, thanks for the info |
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| 16:09.10 | ethanol | where can I find the files that enable/disable network forwarding? |
| 16:09.29 | valdyn | ethanol: /proc/sys/net/ |
| 16:09.35 | ethanol | ah thank you valdyn |
| 16:09.51 | nsadmin2 | that depends on what is used to do said forwarding (that would be some sort of routing function) |
| 16:10.23 | ethanol | valdyn: are those dynamic btw? or require reboot? |
| 16:10.33 | valdyn | ethanol: dynamic |
| 16:10.36 | ethanol | nsadmin2: well I have iptables setup properly, but it does not work |
| 16:10.52 | ethanol | dev:/proc/sys/net/ipv4# echo 1 > ip_forward |
| 16:10.54 | ethanol | fixed it |
| 16:10.55 | ethanol | :> |
| 16:11.14 | nsadmin2 | doesn't require reboot, happens as soon as you do that |
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| 16:11.36 | ethanol | yes it did |
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| 16:11.42 | ethanol | now where can I store this value though? |
| 16:11.46 | ethanol | so it's on after a reboot |
| 16:11.59 | valdyn | ethanol: look at /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 16:12.04 | ZeroEnna | •themill• a /etc/fetchmailrc not found. failed! |
| 16:12.04 | ZeroEnna | can not start fetchmail daemon... consider disabling the script failed! |
| 16:12.08 | gps23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.08 | ZeroEnna | sorry ^^ |
| 16:12.09 | nsadmin2 | you want to run the command that did it |
| 16:12.12 | valdyn | ethanol: its already there, just probably commented out |
| 16:12.14 | ZeroEnna | a dpkg-reconfigure did it ^^ |
| 16:12.14 | ethanol | valdyn: thank you :) |
| 16:12.27 | gps23 | s/asked/asking/ |
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| 16:15.23 | loopy1 | forget it, i guess I'm on my own........ |
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| 16:16.08 | ZeroEnna | okay I face a new error |
| 16:16.14 | jordanm | loopy1: if you find people here do not know the answer, or are not interested, you can always try the mailing list |
| 16:16.20 | ZeroEnna | •elsbroek• Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) while trying to remove iamerican |
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| 16:17.22 | loopy1 | jordanm: I think they know the answer but are telling me in terms I don't know |
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| 16:18.08 | loopy1 | I have started programs in CLI before but the structure of bittorrent for doing so... way beyond me |
| 16:18.35 | loopy1 | i don't want to start a torrent yet... i just want the program open |
| 16:19.00 | mo_o | i have a problem with distributing a ia64 netboot image. it works fine with an i386 image but, for whatever reason, it doesnt with the 64bit |
| 16:19.07 | loopy1 | anyway, i give up on it... i'll either figure it out or use windows to do it... will take up less time |
| 16:19.10 | mo_o | the client is just stuck after he got the ip etc |
| 16:19.46 | mo_o | i set up the image according to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 16:20.05 | mo_o | just switched the filename from pxelinux.0 to /debian-installer/ia64/elilo.efi |
| 16:20.28 | simonrvn | apt_get: /msg dpkg squeeze -- no spaces |
| 16:21.12 | subrime | is it possible to use live-helper to make a squeeze image on a system running lenny? |
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| 16:21.28 | simonrvn | ask in one channel at a time |
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| 16:21.38 | ZeroEnna | Thank you for your help! |
| 16:21.58 | subrime | oh, sorry. the other one seemed dead |
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| 16:22.20 | apt_get | =P |
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| 16:23.11 | simonrvn | there's less people there yes |
| 16:23.51 | simonrvn | it's like crossposting in mailing lists, it's considered rude unless you warn people |
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| 16:27.19 | mo_o | no one? :/ |
| 16:27.57 | simonrvn | subrime: wh not use something like jigdo ? |
| 16:28.06 | simonrvn | mo_o: no one what? |
| 16:28.11 | simonrvn | oh |
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| 16:28.34 | simonrvn | mo_o: you sure it's an ia64 and not an amd64? |
| 16:28.43 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
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| 16:28.43 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 16:28.57 | subrime | simonrvn: Im trying to build an image for booting from usb with a custom kernel... my new hardware needs at least 2.6.34 |
| 16:29.14 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 16:29.24 | simonrvn | jigdo can do that. it's made for custom isos |
| 16:29.28 | subrime | so the image is for another platform that I cant currently boot debian |
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| 16:30.11 | nsadmin2 | jelly, started it, getting about 16.5mbyte/sec on a 30g transfer |
| 16:30.17 | mo_o | *blush* |
| 16:30.18 | simonrvn | oh, i see. i don't see why not. |
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| 16:31.01 | simonrvn | just have some writable space somewhere ;). |
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| 16:32.26 | nsadmin2 | thanks for the suggestion, was just what I needed |
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| 16:32.47 | simonrvn | !pat nsadmin2 |
| 16:32.51 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 16:33.01 | subrime | simonrvn: my impression was that jigdo is for getting hold of pre-existing iso images.... am I wrong? |
| 16:33.28 | simonrvn | no, it uses udebs and such to make isos |
| 16:33.43 | subrime | so why does live-helper exist? |
| 16:33.48 | simonrvn | !jigdo |
| 16:33.48 | dpkg | i heard jigdo is Jigsaw Download, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/ , http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo and <blu-ray disc>. |
| 16:34.15 | subrime | ... non of the debian images support my new hardware |
| 16:34.16 | simonrvn | you can also use it to generate a 'generic' debian iso too |
| 16:34.34 | simonrvn | you put your own kernel on it |
| 16:34.38 | jordanm | !tell subrime about kmuto |
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| 16:35.19 | subrime | I need at least 2.6.34 |
| 16:35.36 | subrime | I have some debs that are meant to work with a testing/squeee system |
| 16:36.11 | simonrvn | did you read that /query from dpkg yet? |
| 16:36.23 | jordanm | .34? did you intentionally buy the least compatibile crap you could find? |
| 16:37.03 | simonrvn | heh |
| 16:37.17 | subrime | no. maacbookpro 7.1 with nvidia mb |
| 16:37.48 | simonrvn | wtf does that need .34 ? |
| 16:38.10 | subrime | the older kernels cant see sata devices |
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| 16:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | Hey, I had to take the motherboard back to the store on my second Debian build, it wasn't compatible. Fortunately, they had ONE of the previous model left, and it worked fine. |
| 16:38.50 | simonrvn | er, sure they can. depends on the drivers involved. |
| 16:38.59 | subrime | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/576601 |
| 16:39.26 | simonrvn | why are you shoing us an ubuntu bug? |
| 16:39.34 | simonrvn | show* |
| 16:39.42 | subrime | if I could get away with a backported kernel I wouldnt ned to mess around with live-helper/jigdo |
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| 16:40.04 | subrime | they are the ones troubleshooting the hardware issue |
| 16:40.17 | subrime | on a debian derived system |
| 16:40.27 | simonrvn | not debian |
| 16:40.37 | subrime | indeed. |
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| 16:40.58 | subrime | but the last few posts show that a fix has been found and tested and submitted upstream |
| 16:41.18 | subrime | and as far as I can tell, 2.6.34 onwards have the fix |
| 16:41.38 | subrime | you were asking about my hardware issue. |
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| 16:42.32 | simonrvn | we did, granted |
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| 16:42.44 | jordanm | the answer to storage controller incompatibilites: intel ICH |
| 16:42.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:43.08 | jordanm | although, I assume that is a laptop with also an nvidia graphics chip |
| 16:43.17 | simonrvn | they're up to what now? ICH16 ? :P |
| 16:43.23 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 16:43.26 | subrime | anyway, scanning the jigdo faq I only see stuffa bout getting existing isos |
| 16:43.32 | jordanm | I think they have been stuck on 10 for quite a while |
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| 16:44.09 | subrime | jordanm: yeah, the video is new too, but one thing at a time... |
| 16:44.14 | simonrvn | i have an ich4 mobo around here |
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| 16:46.11 | mo_o | does the preseeding resolve dependencies for packages right away and install them too? |
| 16:46.21 | mo_o | (automatically!) |
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| 16:47.28 | ChoHag | How does a packages get from unstable to testing? |
| 16:48.31 | ChoHag | Specifically, why has linux-2.6 2.6.32-16, released Jul 06 not migrated yet? |
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| 16:51.05 | xyan | ChoHag: take a look at the package tracking system http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
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| 16:51.48 | hebz0rl | hi is there a working repository with 5.3? |
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| 16:52.29 | xyan | hebz0rl: 5.3 of what? |
| 16:52.38 | hebz0rl | uh php |
| 16:52.41 | hebz0rl | sry |
| 16:52.51 | xyan | judd: versions php5 |
| 16:52.52 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1; sid: 5.3.2-2 |
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| 16:54.14 | hebz0rl | and 5.3.3? |
| 16:54.38 | xyan | isn't there obviously, brew it yourself if you really need it |
| 16:54.57 | hebz0rl | ok thx |
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| 17:00.41 | Bennit | Hello |
| 17:01.00 | Bennit | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-17069.html # I stumbled on the problem described by this thread |
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| 17:01.27 | Bennit | funny thing is: visiting the site via links on localhost (or any other browser elsewhere) doesn't result in that problem |
| 17:01.45 | Bennit | yet it's not a browser specific bug but rather pc connecting to the webserver bug |
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| 17:02.01 | Bennit | and it looks like an apache error report |
| 17:02.15 | Bennit | (nothing comes in the log either, just spits out that it's an invalid url) |
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| 17:02.44 | jordanm | I would blame ispconfig, I have seen the mess it makes of a server |
| 17:03.20 | jordanm | that post is from 2007, for a no longer supported version though |
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| 17:05.09 | Bennit | right, take it to httpd |
| 17:05.23 | Bennit | keep forgetting that :) |
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| 17:17.50 | ChoHag | xyan: Thanks |
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| 17:24.49 | factor | Has anyone had problems with 2.6.30 and wireless usb devices |
| 17:25.32 | factor | I had my wireless working uner stable debian but went to debian testing and 2.6.30 kernel and I cant get ndiswrapper to find a DNS when I ifup wlan0 |
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| 17:25.59 | factor | I downloaded the newest ndiswrapper 58 |
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| 17:26.07 | factor | it compiled the old one did not |
| 17:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:26.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc5-686 (2.6.35~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-17); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | factor: Where did you get a .30 kernel? |
| 17:27.20 | factor | kernel.org |
| 17:27.23 | jordanm | factor: well, if you wanted things to worked, you would have stuck with stable. sounds like working as intended :) |
| 17:27.32 | jhutchins_lt | factor: So this isn't a Debian question. |
| 17:27.42 | factor | :) well I needed to do some compiling and needed testing at least |
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| 17:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | factor: Sorry, but I don't see how we would have any knowledge of how to help you. |
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| 17:28.20 | factor | well sounds like the experimental folks would |
| 17:28.27 | jordanm | factor: thats what chroots are for |
| 17:28.50 | jordanm | pbuilder can even automate that process, if you were compiling debian packages |
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| 17:29.59 | factor | wel lI have wifi radar up it almost has all the bars but it says get get IP address |
| 17:30.02 | b3lsatar | hey! |
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| 17:30.09 | jhutchins_lt | factor: I haven't seen the .30 kernel released for Debian, I think we went from .26 to .32. |
| 17:30.20 | factor | do I have to do something new upon configuring wlan0 device |
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| 17:31.01 | factor | jhutchins, would you think 32 would have lots of newer wireless stuff |
| 17:31.04 | b3lsatar | how to install gcc on my root ? |
| 17:31.08 | jhutchins_lt | factor: dhclient is usually responsible for obtaining the IP address, you should watch it's progress. It can be helpful to sniff the traffic with somehting like tcpdump as well. |
| 17:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | factor: I don't know, but the changelog does. |
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| 17:36.47 | factor | I have a wmaster0 and a wlan0 dont think I had that in debian stable |
| 17:36.59 | factor | do I ipup wmater0 or wlan0 |
| 17:37.03 | factor | master^ |
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| 17:37.20 | factor | dhclient ifuped them all it looks like |
| 17:37.51 | factor | but wlan0 does not have a ipaddr on it. while eth0 does |
| 17:39.04 | jhutchins_lt | dhclient does not bring up interfaces. |
| 17:39.29 | jhutchins_lt | dhclient solicits and configures parameters from the DHCP server such as IP address, gateway, DNS, etc. |
| 17:39.46 | jhutchins_lt | You can have an interface that's up but doesn't have an address. |
| 17:39.55 | factor | yes that is this case |
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| 17:40.51 | jhutchins_lt | factor: Is dhclient running for that interface? Is it configured to use dhcp? What happens when you run dhclient manually for that interface? What traffic is seen to/from the interface on the network? |
| 17:41.15 | factor | yes wlan0 if setup for dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:41.32 | factor | s/if/is |
| 17:41.55 | jordanm | factor: the best test to see if it is functioning properly is to just do a scan "iwlist scan" |
| 17:42.01 | apt_get | with the new LSB boot method.. I cant use numbers to boot sequences? |
| 17:42.08 | jordanm | improper drivers will return "wlan0 does not support scanning" |
| 17:42.29 | factor | it worked with scanning |
| 17:42.45 | factor | I will go ahead and download 2.6.35 and compile it |
| 17:42.58 | jordanm | apt_get: I believe there was some documentation that covers the transition in the /usr/share/doc/insserv/ |
| 17:43.10 | jordanm | factor: why not use the debian provided kernel? |
| 17:43.15 | factor | will look |
| 17:43.27 | factor | it does not like my CUDA driver |
| 17:43.29 | apt_get | I read all but no much information yet |
| 17:43.44 | apt_get | maybe i find some tips in http://www.linuxbase.org/ |
| 17:43.50 | jhutchins_lt | factor: Dude, why not download a stock debian kernel? |
| 17:44.20 | jordanm | just asked that |
| 17:44.41 | factor | dont see a 2.6.35 only 2.6.32 |
| 17:45.27 | PinkFreud | 2.6.35 hasn't been released yet. |
| 17:45.31 | jordanm | factor: yes, .32 is what squeeze is planned to release with |
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| 17:45.41 | jordanm | well, there is 35-rc5 |
| 17:46.05 | PinkFreud | jordanm: rc6 is out. however, that's a release candidate, as indicated by 'rc'. :) |
| 17:48.15 | apt_get | But, update-rc.d will be replaced by insserv? |
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| 17:49.05 | jordanm | PinkFreud: ah, I was on last weeks lwn.net page :) |
| 17:49.12 | factor | looks like debian testing has 2.6.30 that is where I got the source anyway I think |
| 17:49.19 | jordanm | apt_get: no, insserv is replacing sysvinit |
| 17:49.34 | factor | but downloading 35 looks like 30 had lots of wireless patches |
| 17:49.38 | apt_get | of course. |
| 17:49.43 | apt_get | nice |
| 17:49.52 | factor | what is the diff with insserv |
| 17:49.58 | jordanm | apt_get: err, or maybe sysv-rc |
| 17:50.04 | factor | has anything to do with illegal aliens. |
| 17:50.05 | apt_get | concurrency boots |
| 17:50.32 | jordanm | factor: insserv uses dependancy based booting. it puts binary heads in the init script which it uses to start multiple services at once |
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| 17:50.55 | jordanm | factor: another example would be upstart in ubuntu and fedora |
| 17:51.07 | apt_get | i trying to understand how to forget number orders and use dependency (before/after) to the scripts |
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| 17:51.21 | pallgone | how is this working with squeeze and jackd now? |
| 17:52.26 | fxiny | swallows two brain pills to decript what innserv is |
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| 17:53.00 | soulslayer | hello there i have strange issue with cpufrequtils i try to set my scalling governor to ondemand |
| 17:53.12 | soulslayer | but all the things that i've try dont change the governor |
| 17:53.19 | soulslayer | i try ... cpufreq-set -g ondemand |
| 17:53.37 | soulslayer | cpufreq-selector -g ondemand and echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 17:53.50 | soulslayer | but .... nothing changes |
| 17:53.58 | soulslayer | the processor is pentium 4 |
| 17:54.29 | jhutchins_lt | soulslayer: Possibly your bios doesn't support cpu frequency scaling. |
| 17:54.44 | soulslayer | hmm or maybe its disabled |
| 17:55.01 | soulslayer | i hope that it have :D must reboot to check |
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| 17:55.27 | PinkFreud | soulslayer: which cpu? |
| 17:55.33 | soulslayer | pentium 4 |
| 17:55.50 | soulslayer | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz |
| 17:55.59 | PinkFreud | ahh, missed that earlier. I'm not certain all (any?) P4s had frequency scaling. |
| 17:56.04 | soulslayer | i can pastebin cat /proc/cpuinfo if you want |
| 17:56.13 | jordanm | likely one of the older ones if its 1.8 |
| 17:56.22 | soulslayer | sure :D it does not have HT |
| 17:56.23 | soulslayer | :P |
| 17:56.29 | Amse | xdddddd |
| 17:56.40 | Amse | huh, wrong channel |
| 17:56.45 | jordanm | guesses no am64 support either |
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| 17:56.50 | PinkFreud | soulslayer: does cpufreq-info give you anything? |
| 17:57.06 | soulslayer | yeah it gives me that the governor is set to performance |
| 17:57.09 | PinkFreud | jordanm: very few P4s supported 64 bit |
| 17:57.14 | soulslayer | wait i will paste bin it |
| 17:57.18 | soulslayer | mine is 32 |
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| 17:57.30 | PinkFreud | soulslayer: what are the available governors? |
| 17:57.59 | hayleyw | clean install of lenny yesterday...x keeps freezing every few minutes. know problem in testing? .xsession-errors shows nothing and doesnt seem to be any particular program |
| 17:58.01 | jordanm | PinkFreud: mine did. I remember because it was the first PC I assembled of myself.. 3.0ghz 64bit capable... man that thing ran hot! |
| 17:58.04 | soulslayer | http://pastebin.com/RfaaFvmq |
| 17:58.06 | soulslayer | here it is |
| 17:58.41 | soulslayer | jordanm, :D the ghz myth :D |
| 17:59.03 | PinkFreud | yeah, P4s were omelette-cooking suckers |
| 17:59.29 | soulslayer | haha sure they are i use this one for home router .... and few other things |
| 17:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | hayleyw: Testing is for _testing_, not for solving problems in stable. |
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| 18:00.10 | twiggz | testings always been pretty stable for me *shrug* |
| 18:00.11 | hayleyw | jhutchins_lt, yes...aware. dont know how that relates to my question |
| 18:00.16 | maligor | PinkFreud, that's a myth also, modern cpu's have higher maximum heat dissipation |
| 18:00.17 | jordanm | once used dual xeon cpu server with 15k SCSIs as a home router |
| 18:00.18 | jhutchins_lt | hayleyw: Although lenny did fix a number of problems that were never fixed in etch, squeeze hasn't been shown to do so for lenny yet. |
| 18:00.21 | PinkFreud | jhutchins_lt: sadly, I've already seen a machine that lenny won't fully run on. :/ |
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| 18:00.45 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 18:00.55 | soulslayer | PinkFreud, .. a toaster ? |
| 18:00.56 | jhutchins_lt | Generally if you can't fix it in lenny, installing squeeze will just add other problems. |
| 18:01.48 | PinkFreud | jhutchins_lt: no, I went over to That Other Distribution on it. heh. |
| 18:01.48 | jhutchins_lt | maligor: p4's did have higher heat output than other chips of the time, and newer chips are MUCH better. |
| 18:02.09 | hayleyw | jhutchins_lt, dude, again, not what i asked. i asked if testing was having x issues |
| 18:02.20 | jhutchins_lt | Well, I've seen IBM hardware that won't run with anything but SuSE... |
| 18:02.30 | soulslayer | jhutchins_lt, thats becouse the newr one use better dielectrics |
| 18:02.35 | jhutchins_lt | hayleyw: You asked if the problem was known in squeeze. |
| 18:02.36 | soulslayer | gee look at that |
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| 18:02.52 | soulslayer | ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/cpufreq |
| 18:02.52 | soulslayer | cpufreq_conservative.ko cpufreq_powersave.ko cpufreq_stats.ko cpufreq_userspace.ko |
| 18:02.53 | jhutchins_lt | hayleyw: In any case, we don't know what problem you're dealing with yet, so too soon to ask. |
| 18:03.01 | soulslayer | maybe problem is here |
| 18:03.07 | jhutchins_lt | hayleyw: No, it's not a wide-spread general problem. |
| 18:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | hayleyw: Temperature? CPU? Any particular application seem to trigger it? |
| 18:03.33 | PinkFreud | jhutchins_lt: yeah. in this case, it's a newer board using one of the AMD chipsets. the onboard radeon hd wasn't recognized by the radeon driver in lenny, nor the catalyst driver in lenny's nonfree. audio was also non-functional, though a bpo kernel fixed that. |
| 18:03.58 | soulslayer | bpo fixed alot of things |
| 18:04.01 | jelly-home | soulslayer: does modprobe p4-clockmod result in any changes? |
| 18:04.01 | PinkFreud | not much of an option to upgrade X via packages for lenny, alas. :/ |
| 18:04.11 | PinkFreud | soulslayer: except bpo lacks newer X packages, sadly. |
| 18:04.24 | maligor | jhutchins_lt, yeah, but produce more heat (but I'll stop here) |
| 18:04.29 | soulslayer | jelly-home, nope infact i was able to run cpufrequtils only with p4-clockmod |
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| 18:04.44 | soulslayer | the generic acpi driver seems not to work with mine bpo kernel |
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| 18:05.18 | PinkFreud | soulslayer: Intel's ark doesn't mention if frequency scaling is supported. |
| 18:05.34 | PinkFreud | This looks like your cpu: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27429&processor=&spec-codes=SL62P,SL62R,SL63X,SL66Q,SL68Q,SL6E6,SL6LA,SL6PQ,SL6QL,SL6S6,SL6SN |
| 18:05.38 | jelly-home | soulslayer: yeah, p4-clockmod is probably your best option |
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| 18:06.55 | soulslayer | PinkFreud, ... icant find nothing for scaling |
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| 18:08.08 | soulslayer | gee i was able to modprobe the conservative mode but no change in the frequency |
| 18:08.18 | soulslayer | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 18:08.21 | soulslayer | still shows performance |
| 18:08.47 | PinkFreud | soulslayer: it's entirely possible your cpu doesn't support scaling. the only other thing I can think of is to go with the earlier suggestion to reboot and check your bios settings. |
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| 18:09.07 | PinkFreud | available cpufreq governors: powersave, conservative, userspace, ondemand, performance |
| 18:09.07 | soulslayer | and infact PinkFreud i think that the scalling must be a feature of the motherboard couse the cpu frequency depends on the core voltage and the multiplier |
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| 18:09.31 | PinkFreud | soulslayer: what did you say your available governors, as listed by cpufreq-info, was? |
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| 18:09.44 | soulslayer | same as that you paste now |
| 18:09.50 | soulslayer | i send a pastebin from it |
| 18:09.52 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
| 18:09.58 | soulslayer | http://pastebin.com/RfaaFvmq |
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| 18:10.37 | PinkFreud | what if you try changing by frequency? |
| 18:10.59 | soulslayer | dint try that |
| 18:11.51 | soulslayer | i will check the bios settings |
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| 18:12.56 | netman86 | I'm running through the net installer for debian and it's allowed me to create a raid array, but when I try and continue it's telling me I've neglected to specify a root partition. am I missing something? |
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| 18:14.25 | twiggz | yeah, apparently you are missing telling it what your root partition is? |
| 18:14.35 | netman86 | Apparently. |
| 18:14.52 | netman86 | Although I don't see any way to tell it to use the filesystem it just created |
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| 18:16.34 | netman86 | oh, wait. I think this might be it. |
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| 18:18.41 | soulslayer | hmm the options for the frequency was set to auto |
| 18:18.44 | soulslayer | i move it to manual |
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| 18:21.22 | soulslayer | ok i agree that my hardware just dont permit that extra |
| 18:21.22 | soulslayer | too poor |
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| 18:21.48 | molqr | hello all.. am trying to install debian 5 on to my dell laptop which had ubuntu 8.04 .. the trouble is that when i reach the partitioning stage .. the installer does not provide me an option to continue with my previous partition scheme ... i have separate home partition and simply want to install debian while retaining the data ... |
| 18:22.08 | Justin | molqr: it doesn't? |
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| 18:22.28 | molqr | Justin, oh i see... :( that is sad then what should i do? |
| 18:22.41 | Justin | no, I'm asking you |
| 18:22.49 | simonrvn | that was a question |
| 18:22.50 | Justin | I don't see how you could missit |
| 18:22.53 | fire_colonel | should a dev package of a library depend on the dev packages of all the packages the library depends on? |
| 18:23.12 | molqr | Justin, sorry sorry .. probably i m too depressed right now.. |
| 18:23.37 | Justin | molqr: stop being depressed and tell me what is on your screen? |
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| 18:24.05 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.14 | molqr | i do not see my old partitioning scheme ... i see 4 options.. first 3 are guided partition .. last one manual .. |
| 18:24.26 | Justin | hesco: install something like monit and just have it do it |
| 18:24.37 | Justin | molqr: manual, there you go |
| 18:24.48 | hesco | justin: thanks, will check that out |
| 18:25.28 | molqr | Justin, i tried manual option as well ... but my old partition scheme is not detected.. and i m being asked to create a fresh partition table ... |
| 18:25.45 | Justin | molqr: sure you are looking at the right drive? |
| 18:26.24 | simonrvn | molqr: he's asking you because d-i handles this situation cleanly. |
| 18:26.26 | molqr | Justin, i m sorry to say this but i m positive about that.. i have only 1 hdd .. of 320 gb capacity |
| 18:26.31 | jelly-home | molqr: can you take a screenshot? With a digital camera of some sort? |
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| 18:27.32 | molqr | simonrvn, jelly , Justin ... thanks for the help guys but i don't understand d-i thingy... also right now i don't have a cam :( |
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| 18:28.14 | simonrvn | d-i == "the installer" |
| 18:29.37 | jhutchins_lt | This is why the whole seperate-home-partition thing is dumb. |
| 18:29.50 | jhutchins_lt | molqr: Just do a clean install and restore your backup. |
| 18:30.07 | jelly-home | has a separate /home and doesn't find it dumb at all |
| 18:30.18 | molqr | simonrvn, ok.. I got it. Thank you.. But after selecting the manual partition I am getting 4 options as 1. Guided Partionting 2. 320 GB Hard disk 3. Undo the changes to the partition 4. save changes and write to disk |
| 18:30.18 | fire_colonel | why is it dumb? |
| 18:30.34 | jelly-home | fire_colonel: because it's convenient to state that |
| 18:30.35 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home is actually an advanced enough user to know the unmentioned reasons why partitioning can be good. |
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| 18:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | fire_colonel: Because it encourages people to mess with installers when they don't have backups (among other things). |
| 18:32.05 | jhutchins_lt | molqr: Unfortunately I don't use the installer all that often, but you might need the advanced mode (which I'm not even sure how to invoke). |
| 18:32.09 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: the absence of a default backup procedure is a wholly different issue than mount points and partitioning |
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| 18:32.28 | jhutchins_lt | Until someone cites saving /home as a reason to partition. |
| 18:32.30 | molqr | guys i will go back to my installation.. but before i go.. may i please inquire if its possible for me to detect my old partition scheme? why does the installer not recognize it .. forcing me to set up a fresh partition table? |
| 18:32.54 | jhutchins_lt | molqr: I know it can be done - I've done two installs to existing partitions. |
| 18:33.01 | jelly-home | so yeah, Ubuntu could be made to strongly encourage making backups and making them easy enough to do |
| 18:33.06 | molqr | jhutchins_lt, thanks that is a good sign for me.. . |
| 18:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | molqr: Both were net installs too. |
| 18:33.24 | molqr | so i may be missing some option somewhere.. |
| 18:33.25 | jelly-home | Debian... is too slow to do anything useful. |
| 18:33.31 | dondelelcaro | molqr: it'll detect existing partitions, assuming it's a set that it knows about |
| 18:33.39 | molqr | i m using an installation cd.. |
| 18:33.56 | molqr | dondelelcaro, could it be that ubuntu messed up writing the parition table? |
| 18:34.00 | Justin | molqr: uh, after you selected manual partitioning, it should have given you the list of partitions |
| 18:34.09 | dondelelcaro | molqr: impossible to know |
| 18:34.12 | molqr | Justin, precisely.... but i dont see any |
| 18:34.17 | molqr | dondelelcaro, no matter.. |
| 18:34.20 | molqr | thanks all u guys :) |
| 18:34.24 | fxiny | backsup everything but the separate /home partition |
| 18:34.34 | molqr | i will see what can be done.. and get back if there is some more help required... |
| 18:34.36 | molqr | thanks |
| 18:34.38 | Justin | molqr: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/files/images/lenovo_ideapad_s9e_debian_installer.preview.jpg |
| 18:34.43 | Justin | molqr: did you get that or not? |
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| 18:34.54 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: |
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| 18:35.21 | molqr | Justin, no sir.. unfortunately not.... |
| 18:35.58 | molqr | Justin, which debian version is that .. the one is the screen shot |
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| 18:36.01 | Justin | molqr: what DID it show? |
| 18:36.15 | Justin | molqr: lenny |
| 18:36.32 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: yes ? i'm so lazy i don't do anymore multipartitioning : only / and /home , extra boot with my LUKS |
| 18:37.33 | molqr | Justin, i will try to show a pic.. hang on.. |
| 18:38.08 | jhutchins_lt | sets aside a 200 GB partition for /mnt |
| 18:38.49 | nsadmin | a bold move... |
| 18:38.58 | taree | jhutchins_lt: why? |
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| 18:40.44 | jhutchins_lt | So I'll have plenty of room to mount things, of course! |
| 18:40.55 | jelly-home | to put crap on it, why else! |
| 18:41.09 | jhutchins_lt | taree: Does one of your legs feel just slightly longer than the other now? |
| 18:41.20 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: lemme get a brand new box with a terazillion holes in the hd , do you think i'll wait for f* fsck at boot ? no way , a little home will do , i'll mount extra in /mnt exactly as i do now |
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| 18:41.51 | fxiny | so , with large modern hd my strategy changed |
| 18:42.00 | taree | jhutchins_lt: you's trollin |
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| 18:42.23 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: Points for being the first to mention a good reason in the four months I've been tracking it. |
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| 18:46.00 | molqr | guys i feel i may have this problem .. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515990 |
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| 18:47.18 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: fsck at boot sucks . sometimes when i boot up and i am late , and i must connect quickly , i curse fsck , loud |
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| 18:47.48 | jordanm | molqr: sure your storage controller is supported by the .26 kernel the installer uses? |
| 18:48.04 | TheHerbert | Hi, I cannot seem to find a one CD debian server install package, why is it to huge? |
| 18:48.07 | fxiny | then i remember the case of some poor guy with some 300G to check , and i relax |
| 18:48.19 | jordanm | molqr: or do you actually get the error about overlapping partitions like in that error report? |
| 18:48.51 | jordanm | TheHerbert: you only need the 150mb netinst. the cd and dvd sets include all the software in the debian main repository |
| 18:48.53 | molqr | jordanm, no i don't get the error as i have still not used parted yet.. the problem is that the installer is not detecting my old partitions.. |
| 18:49.07 | karlpinc | TheHerbert: The best choice is the netinstall cd. You burn the minimum to cd and then download just what's needed from the net during the install. Otherwise, you'd have to download 10s of 1,000s of packages, most of which you would not use. |
| 18:49.09 | rolandpish | I'll start backing up some of my lenny server files with rdiff-backup. I read the whole man page, and "extra reverse diffs" means that I can recover a previous version of a file? |
| 18:49.23 | TheHerbert | thanks both |
| 18:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: Yes. |
| 18:50.02 | karlpinc | rolandpish: See also rsnapshot, dirvish, and rsync. |
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| 18:50.22 | rolandpish | jhutchins, great! thanks. I suppose that I can also recover a file deleted from a previous backup? |
| 18:50.23 | fxiny | and dump |
| 18:50.39 | fxiny | is fast and it does incremental |
| 18:50.40 | karlpinc | fxiny: Of upi |
| 18:50.47 | mguy | karlpinc: it can take a long time to install if he has a slow connection though |
| 18:50.48 | karlpinc | fxiny: oops. |
| 18:51.06 | jordanm | people use dump? |
| 18:51.09 | karlpinc | mguy: Then it'd take even longer to download everything. |
| 18:51.11 | fxiny | me |
| 18:51.13 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt, oh sorry! that was meant for you |
| 18:51.25 | mguy | karlpinc: he can download the iso overnight or something though |
| 18:51.28 | fxiny | dd and dump for my LUKSIFYED partition |
| 18:51.39 | jordanm | fxiny: do you backup to tape? |
| 18:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, you can restore a deleted file from a previous backup. |
| 18:51.41 | karlpinc | fxiny: That sounds like a good choice. |
| 18:51.44 | fxiny | dd is a pig , dump is acceptable |
| 18:51.46 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt, I wasn't aware that there is another user with almost your username :) |
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| 18:51.55 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: nope on my hd |
| 18:51.59 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: At some point you do reach a limit, but I haven't tinkered with retention times yet, haven't had to. |
| 18:51.59 | fxiny | oops |
| 18:52.05 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: on hd |
| 18:52.06 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: It's all me. |
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| 18:52.17 | {g} | Hey Debian! I am trying to run firefox as a user that I just created. "sudo user; firefox" but I get "client is not authorized to connect to ServerClient is not authorize to connect to ServerError: cannto open Display: :1.0". Any ideas how to get around this? |
| 18:52.17 | rolandpish | jhutchins, ok :) Thanks a lot! |
| 18:52.19 | jordanm | rolandpish: if you are talking about jhutchins_wk, that is him as well |
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| 18:52.35 | fxiny | jordanm: i can recover a single file with dump |
| 18:52.42 | rolandpish | jordanm, thanks! |
| 18:52.43 | jelly-home | {g}: starting X as that user is the simplest method |
| 18:52.45 | jordanm | {g}: have the user start his own X session |
| 18:52.59 | jhutchins_lt | {g}: Um ... that's also not how sudo is meant to be used. |
| 18:53.01 | jhutchins_lt | !sudo |
| 18:53.01 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 18:53.31 | jordanm | {g}: it sounds like maybe you want MAC, such as SELinux? |
| 18:53.35 | jelly-home | {g}: there are wrappers for su/sudo to facilitate this: sux, gksu/gksudo |
| 18:53.48 | jelly-home | !sux |
| 18:53.49 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about; ask me about <u>. |
| 18:53.51 | abrotman | {g}: debian does not have firefox |
| 18:54.04 | fire_colonel | !u |
| 18:54.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:54.13 | jordanm | abrotman: in lenny, "firefox" calls iceweasel |
| 18:54.19 | jordanm | think it was removed in squeeze though |
| 18:54.23 | abrotman | it's back |
| 18:54.31 | jordanm | ah, nice |
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| 18:54.40 | fxiny | karlpinc: i rsync and rdiff-back up part of my home . i also like tar incremental |
| 18:54.42 | hochron | is there an advantage to using sudo if you are the only one that needs to do administrative functions? |
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| 18:55.04 | hochron | I just su the exit |
| 18:55.28 | jhutchins_lt | hochron: Just a reminder that su is bad practice although it works in debian, you should use su -. |
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| 18:56.06 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Why do you say that? I thought su was fixed, so no problem. |
| 18:56.25 | jelly-home | wasn't aware it needed fixing at all |
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| 18:56.42 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: It's not fixed, in Debian it's hacked to use root's environment if it's invoked wrong. |
| 18:57.09 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: There are reasons to have it work in the original fashion, and in other distros it's not hacked. |
| 18:57.30 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: What's posix? (Out of curiousity.) |
| 18:57.44 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: do you have a reference on what's wrong with su. |
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| 18:57.45 | mo_o | what tool can i use to observe the network usage in a shell? |
| 18:57.58 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: for posix without the - it uses the current environment. |
| 18:57.59 | karlpinc | jelly-home: There's a bug report that got closed with lenny. |
| 18:58.11 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Nothing's wrong with it. |
| 18:58.20 | fxiny | jordanm: 3.5G root partition backups : dd.gz is 3.4G , same with dump is only 954MB |
| 18:58.47 | SparFux1 | When I am using just su, I get errors due to wrong $HOME of course. |
| 18:58.49 | jelly-home | karlpinc: bug number? |
| 18:59.07 | jhutchins_lt | mo_o: What do you want to observe? |
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| 18:59.30 | jelly-home | fxiny: also try partimage if you're comparing anyway. |
| 18:59.36 | mo_o | the current usage -> incoming and outgoing amount of packets etc |
| 18:59.39 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Sorry. Nothing handy and I don't have time to go looking now. It's whether "su -" is needed to reset to root's environment. |
| 18:59.44 | jhutchins_lt | I use su more often as root to become users, so having the habit of using - helps. |
| 18:59.45 | jelly-home | fxiny: also: zero the unused space, then retry dd.gz |
| 19:00.24 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Does it set the environment or just the path in deb/ |
| 19:00.25 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: FYI OpenBSD uses su not su -. |
| 19:00.26 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
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| 19:00.50 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: The difference is intentional. |
| 19:00.52 | fxiny | jelly-home: i use partimage and i like it , but it can't read an encrypted partition |
| 19:00.55 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: I don't recall, and gotta go. |
| 19:00.58 | jelly-home | karlpinc: I've noticed today su - on etch didn't set up root's PATH properly |
| 19:01.11 | karlpinc | jelly-home: That's it. |
| 19:01.20 | jelly-home | karlpinc: it did change it to default user's PATH. |
| 19:01.25 | SparFux1 | what's the point in using su and not su - ? I get incomplete env with su. |
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| 19:01.43 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux1: su preserves the current environment. |
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| 19:01.58 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux1: Like I said, you're not always becoming root. |
| 19:02.00 | SparFux1 | jhutchins_lt: I see no point in preserving that. |
| 19:02.01 | mo_o | jhutchins_lt: the current usage -> incoming and outgoing amount of packets etc |
| 19:02.15 | jhutchins_lt | Hrm. I used to have a script... |
| 19:02.27 | fxiny | jelly-home: how can i zero out an encrypted partition ? |
| 19:02.39 | SparFux1 | jhutchins_lt: just su, then use $MAIL, $HOME, whatever. With wrong uid? |
| 19:02.44 | fxiny | is simply garbage |
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| 19:03.09 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux1: Sorry, I learned to use it properly. |
| 19:03.11 | SparFux1 | fxiny: cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdX |
| 19:03.18 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: on our RHEL4 and 5 boxes at my work, if I do, "su" then "mutt", it opens up roots emails |
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| 19:03.28 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: so RHEL has the same behavior as debian in that |
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| 19:03.39 | fxiny | SparFux1: is a LUKS partition |
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| 19:03.51 | jelly-home | SparFux1: thats destroys data; context was "zero the unused space" |
| 19:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: It may have spread, people who knew got tired of correcting people and just crippled it by default to help idots break their systems. |
| 19:04.02 | fxiny | i can mount it and back it up or just dd it |
| 19:04.05 | SparFux1 | fxiny: Why zero it? Use cat /dev/zero > /dev/mapper/Partitionname |
| 19:04.19 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I was a pre-EL RH user. |
| 19:04.28 | fxiny | SparFux1: i use scrub for sanitizing |
| 19:04.29 | SparFux1 | fxiny: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/LUKSname bs=1M |
| 19:04.32 | jelly-home | fxiny: if it's encrypted, zeroing unused space won't reduce the image size, right |
| 19:04.36 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Just because the other kids do it doesn't make it right. |
| 19:04.43 | jelly-home | fxiny: I missed the encryption bit |
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| 19:05.04 | jhutchins_lt | The ability to have root permissions while maintaining the current environment can be useful. |
| 19:05.04 | SparFux1 | fxiny: jelly-home: use wipe. |
| 19:05.24 | jelly-home | SparFux1: that's not what we were discussing at all! |
| 19:05.28 | fxiny | SparFux1: i prefere scrub , it won't boil my hd up |
| 19:06.16 | jelly-home | fxiny: does the dump still contain encrypted data? |
| 19:06.40 | fxiny | jelly-home: nope , i mount it |
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| 19:06.53 | jelly-home | fxiny: that's why |
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| 19:07.23 | fxiny | i'm not cncerned about secrecy , i play with LUKS because i have little resources to spare |
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| 19:08.15 | jelly-home | fxiny: a per-file backup would be small as well. If your partition wasn't encrypted, you'd be able to zero the unused space, and then dd|gz would be small as well (those blocks of zeros are quite compressible) |
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| 19:09.30 | fxiny | jelly-home: that would be nice , i'll try next , good tip |
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| 19:10.18 | fxiny | jelly-home: i use partimage with normal partitions . never dd but , this zeroing out can do a nice job |
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| 19:11.34 | jelly-home | zeroing out is also useful in virtualized storage and virtualized machine enviroments, and possibly SSDs |
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| 19:12.25 | hayleyw | how do i update the alsa modules? i remember being able to apt-get something for that |
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| 19:13.05 | abrotman | hayleyw: from what to what? look at alsa-src perhaps |
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| 19:17.40 | Primer | I've recently setup the dotdeb repo so I can upgrade to the latest PHP on Debian Lenny, but I'm finding that this repo doesn't provide a pacakge that Lenny does, namely php5-mapscript. I don't suppose anyone from dotdeb hangs here? |
| 19:18.03 | Primer | I would like to know why all php5-* packages weren't included in that repo |
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| 19:18.39 | jordanm | !dotdeb |
| 19:18.39 | dpkg | i guess dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 19:18.52 | lxsameer | what is the equal to nobody group in debian |
| 19:19.12 | Primer | thanks! |
| 19:19.15 | jordanm | lxsameer: nobody is a user |
| 19:19.36 | AimHere | there's nogroup for groups |
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| 19:19.42 | CaBa | hi |
| 19:19.51 | lxsameer | AimHere: thanks |
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| 19:23.07 | Primer | seems I already had backports as a repo...no PHP newer than 5.2 is available from it |
| 19:23.09 | CaBa | i have a question concerning ldap... if ldap traffic is neither encrypted or signed, couldnt the system be intruded by a mitm attack that fakes a 'success' response from the ldap server no matter what credentials are used during bind()? |
| 19:23.10 | Primer | and I need 5.3 |
| 19:23.28 | Primer | since the PHP in Lenny has a known bug that I need resolved |
| 19:23.43 | linduxed | i'm trying to setup the /etc/samba/smb.conf and i came aross the logon path line |
| 19:23.58 | linduxed | it has \\%N\profiles\%U written on it |
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| 19:24.09 | linduxed | i under stand that the %U is the username |
| 19:24.20 | linduxed | but what is the %N ? |
| 19:24.50 | linduxed | i'm guessing this is some standard bash character combo, but i don't know it |
| 19:25.28 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions php |
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| 19:25.30 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php' was found. |
| 19:25.32 | linduxed | i saw %g now too so i assume that one means group |
| 19:25.44 | Primer | try libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 19:25.59 | Primer | ,versions libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:26.01 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: It's in the docs. iirc it's the Network Name or Server Name. |
| 19:26.02 | judd | libapache2-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; squeeze: 5.3.2-1; sid: 5.3.2-2 |
| 19:26.23 | linduxed | jhutchins_lt: where do i find it in the docs? |
| 19:26.23 | Primer | So what the bot said was incorrect |
| 19:26.33 | linduxed | jhutchins_lt: and more specifically, what docs? |
| 19:26.36 | Primer | in the "there's little reason to use dotdeb" |
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| 19:27.09 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: I think it's in the samba-doc package. |
| 19:27.11 | jelly-home | CaBa: sure. but there's ldaps. |
| 19:27.13 | Primer | because I'm on Lenny, and I need PHP 5.3...for a production system where I'm unwilling to change distros at the moment |
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| 19:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: Most of my study of them comes from before they were split out. |
| 19:27.41 | fxiny | have you checked bpo version ? |
| 19:27.41 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: You may also find the way swat indexes the docs useful. |
| 19:27.45 | CaBa | jelly-home: yes i am aware of that. but i see so many (public!) systems using ldap without TLS/SSL that i wonder if i am missing something |
| 19:28.12 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: judd doesn't know of a bpo of php. |
| 19:28.13 | jelly-home | CaBa: you're not, it's just like any other cleartext protocol |
| 19:28.33 | CaBa | jelly-home: well i am not concerned about the password being transmitted cleartext |
| 19:28.43 | CaBa | jelly-home: i am concerned about the response not being singned |
| 19:28.47 | CaBa | signed |
| 19:28.48 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: i see |
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| 19:28.58 | jelly-home | CaBa: I'm not talking about passwords but the protocol. |
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| 19:29.32 | g0rd0n | will the 2.6.32 remain until squeeze i release or can it happen that there will be a newer version? |
| 19:29.36 | CaBa | jelly-home: right... but there are cleartext protocolls suchas YP where the shadow password is transmitted cleartext. even that offers more safety than ldap without TLS |
| 19:29.43 | g0rd0n | (i mean the kernel) |
| 19:29.47 | infinity0 | hi, ever since i reinstalled debian squeeze my system has been re-interpreting the font "Arial" to mean "Liberation Sans", how do i undo this? |
| 19:30.07 | CaBa | jelly-home: i mean an exposed shadow password can be bruteforced easier but it doesnt offer instant login atleast... |
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| 19:31.21 | jelly-home | CaBa: no need; if you can MITM, you can do lots of other stuff without having to bruteforce |
| 19:31.32 | fxiny | infinity0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts |
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| 19:32.12 | atmos4 | hi |
| 19:32.32 | infinity0 | hm, bah, i guess i'll just uninstall ttf-liberation then |
| 19:32.46 | fxiny | infinity0: sorry , i miss the "how do i undu this" , no idea , i am a stable user |
| 19:32.47 | atmos4 | I'm trying to get a nic driver to load with a param, so I added "vmxnet3 disable_lro=1" to /etc/modules, but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 19:32.51 | infinity0 | i only noticed because a LOT of websites define their fonts to be like PrimaryFont,SeconardFont,arial,sans-serif |
| 19:32.53 | atmos4 | anything I am missing? |
| 19:32.53 | infinity0 | but i HATE arial |
| 19:32.58 | jelly-home | CaBa: SSL PKI provides the trust, I think |
| 19:33.01 | infinity0 | fxiny: ah ok, well thanks for the info |
| 19:33.20 | jelly-home | atmos4: yes. make and use a file /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf |
| 19:33.28 | fxiny | infinity0: i just knew the liberation fonts |
| 19:33.34 | atmos4 | jelly-home: content? |
| 19:34.01 | jelly-home | atmos4: "options vmxnet3 disable_lro=1" |
| 19:34.15 | atmos4 | ah ok, and then I can remove the stuff from /etc/modules? |
| 19:34.26 | Primer | ,versions php5-mapscript |
| 19:34.28 | judd | php5-mapscript -- etch: 4.10.0-5.1+etch4; etch-security: 4.10.0-5.1+etch4; lenny: 5.0.3-3+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.0.3-3+lenny4; squeeze: 5.6.4-1; sid: 5.6.5-1 |
| 19:34.36 | jelly-home | atmos4: leave the module name in there iff it doesn't get loaded automatically |
| 19:34.42 | atmos4 | it does |
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| 19:36.30 | user1 | grrrrrrr grazymax |
| 19:37.07 | jelly-home | atmos4: what does that option do anyway |
| 19:37.24 | jelly-home | my lenny vms do fine without it |
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| 19:38.02 | atmos4 | jelly-home: bump incoming traffic speed from 1 Mbps to 1000 Mbps on lenny |
| 19:38.06 | atmos4 | :-) |
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| 19:38.30 | atmos4 | seriously, lenny doesn't like lro interrupt offloading at all |
| 19:38.38 | jelly-home | didn't notice |
| 19:38.40 | atmos4 | probably because of the ancient kernel |
| 19:39.04 | atmos4 | jelly-home: try running iperf against an lenny host running on vsphere esxi or esx 4.1 |
| 19:39.34 | atmos4 | I have a firewall running lenny and routing between several gbit vlans |
| 19:39.48 | atmos4 | and I got some very unhappy users after upgrading to vsphere 4.1 |
| 19:40.08 | atmos4 | then I saw that througput for ftp was about 10 kbyte/s with lots of timeouts |
| 19:40.12 | jelly-home | hm, we're on 4.0 |
| 19:40.33 | atmos4 | yea, there's a not about disable_lro in the 4.1 release notes for esxi |
| 19:40.43 | atmos4 | so you might wanna watch out for that |
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| 19:40.54 | atmos4 | it doesn't only affect forwarding as written there |
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| 19:41.21 | jelly-home | noted |
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| 19:41.51 | atmos4 | best wait for 4.1.1 |
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| 19:42.13 | atmos4 | my upgrade procedure was very unsmooth |
| 19:43.21 | thei0s | hi, can somebody tell me how to check for package configuration differences between the installed and maintainers version? |
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| 19:45.22 | abrotman | thei0s: you can manually extract it depending on the file in question |
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| 19:46.23 | thei0s | this will take a while for the whole system... is there no tool to initiate that merging what sometimes happens on upgrades? |
| 19:46.51 | fxiny | no .conf.dpkg-dist ? |
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| 19:47.26 | thei0s | nope, it would be great at least to have a command to generate them all |
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| 19:48.21 | fxiny | thei0s: checkout etckeeper |
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| 19:50.11 | thei0s | yes, but this tool is meant to be used from beginning |
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| 19:50.24 | jhutchins | !confmiss |
| 19:50.24 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 19:50.34 | abrotman | he'd have to move his out of the way first |
| 19:50.46 | abrotman | debsums might have a config file option |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | but that would only tell you if it has changed, not the actual changes |
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| 19:54.09 | thei0s | hm, this things could be a workaround, thx for ideas, but a real solution would still be great (like a dpkg-diffconfigure <package> or a special parameter for dpkg-reconfigure --force-config-diff) |
| 19:54.44 | fxiny | how can you get the config back ? |
| 19:54.54 | fxiny | storing useless files ? |
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| 19:57.27 | netman86 | It seems I'm having a bit of trouble getting my e1000 82578DM intel nic working in Lenny |
| 19:57.41 | jordanm | netman86: what is the pciid? lscpi -nn |
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| 19:58.18 | netman86 | 8086:10ef sound about right? |
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| 19:58.48 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:10ef |
| 19:58.49 | judd | [8086:10ef] is '82578DM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10ef |
| 19:58.57 | netman86 | According to some great help in #linux, it's because intels firmware isn't open source, so it's not in the kernel. But apparently this wasn't a real issue before lenny |
| 19:59.00 | thei0s | fxiny: with confmiss it seems like that, not tested: mv etc etc_; mkdir etc; aptitude -F '%p' search '~i' > tmpfile; cat tmpfile | xargs aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall; mv etc etc.dpkg-dist; mv etc_ etc |
| 19:59.03 | jordanm | netman86: you need to install the kernel from lenny-backports |
| 19:59.04 | chrismwere | none of my command-line bittorrents will connect with a tracker on stable |
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| 19:59.27 | jordanm | netman86: please do not cross post on other channels. it is considered bad netiquette |
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| 20:00.01 | fxiny | if i'm not wrong a *.dpkg-dist is generated answering NO when upgrading a package the conf file has been edited by the user . i have 8 of this in /etc |
| 20:00.05 | netman86 | jordanm- I know, but lautriv isn't in here, and he's been so helpful. I'll stop. |
| 20:00.51 | jordanm | netman86: AFAIK, the firmware for e1000e, is free, it is only the intel wifi firmware that is non-free |
| 20:01.02 | chrismwere | any ideas? is this a known bug? |
| 20:01.26 | netman86 | jordanm- I'm not familiar with backports. Do I have to add another repository? |
| 20:01.28 | jordanm | netman86: my e1000 card did not require non-free firmware |
| 20:01.31 | jordanm | !bpo |
| 20:01.31 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
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| 20:02.00 | fxiny | and this is handy cause an user can do mistakes ignoring the manitainer new conf file suggestion |
| 20:02.12 | jordanm | netman86: for kernel, after adding the repo, you want aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686; assuming i386 arch |
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| 20:03.02 | netman86 | I'm afraid you're a few levels ahead of me in tech, I've not played with linux since the days of socket A systems; This is an AMD64 build for an intel quad-core system. |
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| 20:03.14 | fxiny | but IMHO keeping tons of useless rejected by the user config files is not good at all , you can grab the package and inspect it |
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| 20:03.31 | chrismwere | is anyone able to help me on this issue. my command line bittorrent clients wont connect to any trackers on stable. i'd really like to seed some linux distros |
| 20:03.37 | jordanm | netman86: just go to the backports website and look at the instructions page, it is fairly easy to follow. come back if you have trouble |
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| 20:04.08 | jelly-home | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 20:04.09 | judd | (kernels [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 20:04.16 | jelly-home | gosh darn it |
| 20:04.18 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 20:04.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc5-686 (2.6.35~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-17); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 20:04.53 | Tim-7967 | hmm |
| 20:04.57 | netman86 | jordanm; I've actually already set up the backkports source and installed the firmware that the backports webpage specified, but it didn't seem to make any difference. |
| 20:05.01 | Tim-7967 | how do you determine which *version* of debian you are runnign? |
| 20:05.04 | Tim-7967 | *running |
| 20:05.16 | jelly-home | netman86: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:05.22 | Tim-7967 | (Not linux kernel version, debian distribution version) |
| 20:05.27 | fxiny | thei0s: that's why i removed etckeeper after a month , checked it working with mercurial , found lines upon lines of tripwirer reporting new etckeepr files in etc , did not want to edit tripwire conf . |
| 20:05.46 | jordanm | netman86: you have to reboot after installing a new kernel |
| 20:05.48 | jelly-home | !tell Tim-7967 about version |
| 20:05.56 | netman86 | jelly-home; 2.6.25-2amd64 |
| 20:06.03 | netman86 | jordanm- yes, I'm aware :) |
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| 20:06.11 | jordanm | netman86: thats not debian |
| 20:06.14 | jelly-home | netman86: that's not quite right... 2.6.26-2-amd64 perhaps? |
| 20:06.18 | netman86 | I used to build my own kernels in slackware, but it was very different. |
| 20:06.18 | chrismwere | i don't know if it's something simple i'm missing. I honestly didn't think there would be as many bugs in debian stable as there are. |
| 20:06.20 | g0rd0n | i have a problem... debian 5.0.5 setup recognizes my hard disk fine (500 gb), however debian 6.0 setup only recognizes 136.9 GB... how come? |
| 20:06.31 | g0rd0n | i tried both alpha1 and the latest snapshot |
| 20:06.34 | netman86 | 2.6.26-2, you're right. I have fat fingers. |
| 20:07.07 | chrismwere | alpha1 wont install on my machine |
| 20:07.07 | jelly-home | netman86: righto. install and reboot into linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64; if you have third-party kernel modules to build also install linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 20:07.13 | Tim-7967 | thanks jelly-home |
| 20:07.43 | Tim-7967 | also, a slightly troubling thing, but how do you reinstall 'mail'? |
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| 20:07.47 | netman86 | jelly-home- how do I install that kernel level? |
| 20:07.53 | Tim-7967 | for some reason the distribution I have doesn't have mail installed |
| 20:07.53 | jordanm | Tim-7967: mailutils package |
| 20:07.57 | Tim-7967 | thanks |
| 20:07.58 | jordanm | !tell Tim-7967 about apt-file |
| 20:08.20 | chrismwere | Are you guys not going to help me? I could really use some help. |
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| 20:08.26 | jelly-home | Tim-7967: "/msg judd versions libc6" or http://package.debian.org/libc6 will provide more clues as to which debian release you're running |
| 20:08.44 | Tim-7967 | I figured it out with cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:08.49 | Tim-7967 | thanks |
| 20:09.00 | jelly-home | Tim-7967: yeah, but that's not always correct |
| 20:09.28 | jelly-home | netman86: just like any other package, once you have lenny-backports repo enabled |
| 20:09.30 | fxiny | chrismwere: using rtorrent since ages what's your problem ? |
| 20:09.49 | chrismwere | it will not connect to any trackers |
| 20:10.14 | Tim-7967 | !tell Tim-7967 about version |
| 20:10.25 | jordanm | !tell Tim-7967 about selftell |
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| 20:10.43 | Tim-7967 | sorry |
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| 20:11.07 | chrismwere | i really like rtorrent but if it wont connect to any trackers i can't use it any faster than a crawl |
| 20:11.11 | jelly-home | no need to be sorry, noone told you about that |
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| 20:11.31 | HackeMate | i have a hard disk with theft protection, but now i cant access to it, i cant format or access to the table partition |
| 20:11.35 | netman86 | okay, so I'm doing an apt-get on this 2.6.32 you specified. Do I have to modify grub, or will apt-get take care of that for me? |
| 20:11.40 | HackeMate | how can i reuse it? |
| 20:11.57 | jelly-home | netman86: run update-grub afterwards to be on the safe side |
| 20:12.21 | netman86 | okay, thanks :) |
| 20:12.23 | jelly-home | netman86: this can be made to work automatically but isn't done any more I think |
| 20:12.30 | thei0s | fxiny: heh, have you tried configuring tripwire to ignore etckeeper files? anyway this with *.dpkg-dist is true that they appear when answering N, but atm I have a situation where I removed a couple of packakes that had a modified config and am trying to install the packages back, but the config files are left untouched (not even *.dpkg-dist or *.dpkg-new appears) |
| 20:12.58 | jhutchins | HackeMate: How might we know what "theft protection" is, or what errors you're getting trying to do whatever you're trying to do with it? |
| 20:13.05 | chrismwere | fxiney? |
| 20:13.38 | nsadmin | what are the choices in linux to support a BCM4306 chipset? |
| 20:13.53 | HackeMate | jhujhiti: it seems as a kind of data encryption |
| 20:13.59 | jordanm | !BCM4306 |
| 20:13.59 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:14.10 | jelly-home | HackeMate: is it still under warranty? Take it to a service. |
| 20:14.14 | thei0s | chrismwere: other torrent programs work? maybe it is your firewall |
| 20:14.16 | jordanm | nsadmin: appears to depend on revision |
| 20:14.17 | HackeMate | no is not, thats the problem |
| 20:14.35 | netman86 | jelly-home; thanks so much! |
| 20:14.40 | Tim-7967 | ok, got another question |
| 20:14.59 | Tim-7967 | is cat /proc/version more reliable then cat /etc/debian_version? |
| 20:15.05 | fxiny | thei0s: too lazy reconfiguring tripwire . etckeepr works with mercurial like a charm . why don't you just get the package and diff your config with the mantainer one ? |
| 20:15.11 | chrismwere | other command line torrent have the same problem but transmission is fine |
| 20:15.18 | Syloq | gs/ |
| 20:15.20 | jelly-home | HackeMate: they might still know what to do with it, even if it means resetting the password and losing all data |
| 20:15.23 | Tim-7967 | and if so... whats the latest version that should be listed under cat /proc/version |
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| 20:15.46 | jordanm | Tim-7967: I would consider the most reliable, apt-cache policy libc6 apt dpkg |
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| 20:16.24 | jelly-home | Tim-7967: kernel version need not be consistent with debian userspace. Many people use newer or custom kernels. |
| 20:16.29 | jordanm | Tim-7967: because version can be mixed (*not* recommended), it can sometimes be difficult to give it an exact version |
| 20:16.29 | thei0s | fxiny: this works for once or twice, but wouldn't it be great to have a tool to do this with as less effort as possible? :) |
| 20:16.37 | atmos4 | if I add backports repositor to lenny, to get newer kernel, is there a way to ignore it for all other packages, meaning prefer non-backports? |
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| 20:16.51 | HackeMate | jelly: ok thanks |
| 20:17.23 | jordanm | atmos4: that is the default, a priority of < 100 |
| 20:17.35 | fxiny | chrismwere: check rtorrent port range , it should be 6881-6999 not 6881-6889 |
| 20:17.51 | fxiny | at least in my rtorrent version |
| 20:17.56 | atmos4 | jordanm: so how would I tell it to use a backport then using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:18.37 | jordanm | atmos4: the aptitude interface lets you choose a version from what I am told, or you can use aptitude -t lenny-backports install foo |
| 20:18.39 | jelly-home | atmos4: read the backport.org instructions page |
| 20:18.47 | fxiny | thei0s: how many times it happened to you ? |
| 20:18.50 | jelly-home | backports.org * |
| 20:19.00 | atmos4 | jordanm: thx |
| 20:19.07 | atmos4 | jelly-home: k, will rtfm ;-) |
| 20:19.27 | thei0s | fxiny: many years ago a couple of times and now again :) |
| 20:19.46 | atmos4 | the 2.6.26 lacks some needed features for vmware, like online gemetry change detection for disk resize |
| 20:19.56 | ranix | long time no see, fxiny |
| 20:19.59 | ranix | where you been |
| 20:20.07 | chrismwere | nope it still wont connect to a tracker |
| 20:20.11 | jelly-home | atmos4: are you implying that works in later kernels? |
| 20:20.19 | atmos4 | yes |
| 20:20.21 | fxiny | ranix: hey ! how are you ? long long time :) |
| 20:20.26 | ranix | ;) |
| 20:20.32 | jordanm | it was my understanding that vmware is no longer in the upstream kernel |
| 20:20.37 | atmos4 | using echo1 >/sys/block/sdx/device/rescan iirc |
| 20:20.44 | jordanm | gah, I am confusing with xen, nvm |
| 20:21.10 | atmos4 | jordanm: yea, you are :-) |
| 20:22.33 | jelly-home | atmos4: oh, so the scsi hba emulation is smarter now; after that you still need to umount all the filesystems to make the upper layers acknowledge the changed size |
| 20:23.09 | chrismwere | oh oh oh i think it's actually worked |
| 20:23.09 | atmos4 | it should work with a patch that came in august 2008 or so |
| 20:23.25 | atmos4 | I tried on 2.6.26 and while kernel detected the new disk size, fdisk still showed old size |
| 20:23.39 | atmos4 | 2.6.26 is some two month too old or so |
| 20:24.06 | jelly-home | we hoped to make it all work online if we used a small disk for /boot and a large disk with lvm for the rest |
| 20:24.15 | fxiny | chrismwere: worked what ? |
| 20:24.23 | chrismwere | well it's still a little touchy but i'll have a read of some man pages. it's a huge improvement. Thanks a load guys. |
| 20:24.31 | chrismwere | i'm getting better speeds on rtorrent |
| 20:24.42 | fxiny | ranix: heh , i was around |
| 20:25.20 | atmos4 | jelly-home: disk expansion is still quite a pain on linux |
| 20:25.41 | atmos4 | havind to delete and recreate partitions using fdisk each time, making sure to enter exact same start sector |
| 20:25.49 | jelly-home | atmos4: only if you have partitions |
| 20:26.11 | atmos4 | and then the needed reboots |
| 20:26.11 | atmos4 | in windows I change the disk size via vsphere client, start diskpart and enter extend |
| 20:26.14 | atmos4 | done |
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| 20:26.27 | jelly-home | atmos4: md on whole disk? resizes fine. lvm pv on whole disk? resizes fine. one fs ... you get the picture |
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| 20:27.08 | atmos4 | does lvm take over resizing partitions and fs? |
| 20:27.21 | atmos4 | last time I tried lvm needed twice as much commands as without =) |
| 20:27.35 | jelly-home | there are no partitions then, only pv and vg and lv |
| 20:27.40 | jordanm | lvm eliminates the need to resize partitions |
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| 20:27.55 | atmos4 | well there's a special partition type for lvm if I remember |
| 20:28.00 | jordanm | jelly-home: wouldn't the pv still technically be a partition? |
| 20:28.07 | jelly-home | you _don't need_ to use partitions at all |
| 20:28.09 | jordanm | atmos4: 8e :) |
| 20:28.17 | nsadmin | there's a pv, physical volume |
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| 20:28.20 | jelly-home | (which is why it works) |
| 20:28.21 | ranix | jelly-home: I disagree. md on the whole disk is bad news |
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| 20:28.26 | nsadmin | that usually goes in a partition |
| 20:28.29 | jelly-home | ranix: it's resizable online. |
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| 20:28.38 | ranix | jelly-home: should put it on a partition for ease of recovery in the event of an error |
| 20:28.38 | atmos4 | yea md is first layer |
| 20:28.50 | jelly-home | ranix: that's a tangent. |
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| 20:29.26 | ranix | jelly-home: don't do it though. Makes you unable to recover to a similar-but-slightly-different disk after a failure |
| 20:29.31 | fxiny | atmos4: vmware resizing ? i did it once in linux with vmware-vdiskmanager , can't remember the version |
| 20:29.32 | jelly-home | ranix: and context is vmware guests |
| 20:29.34 | nsadmin | jordanm, now we've gone from the realm of the hypothetical to an actual real situation... I just took delivery on the broadcom |
| 20:29.35 | ranix | ask me how I know |
| 20:30.04 | jelly-home | ranix: that's only if you make the mistake of using the full size |
| 20:30.24 | ranix | I am very sad about it! |
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| 20:30.36 | atmos4 | fxiny: can be done with gui |
| 20:30.50 | atmos4 | just edit vm properties and enter new disk size |
| 20:31.21 | fxiny | atmos4: i don't remember much , it was a cli and fast , no gui |
| 20:31.22 | jelly-home | ranix: if you spare 2GiB or use the vendor advertised size, you're safe. eg. don't use more than 750,000,000,000 bytes on a 750GB disk |
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| 20:33.17 | jelly-home | ranix: of course it's preferable to figure that out before buying a just-too-small HDD |
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| 20:35.29 | jelly-home | ranix: incidentally the last two of our 750GB disks with 3yr warranty were replaced with 1TB disks by the vendor. I have to figure out a waay to make the other 22 die in two months before warranty expires. |
| 20:35.48 | atmos4 | fxiny: yea, but it doesn't resize the partitions, only the disk geometry |
| 20:36.01 | jelly-home | the last two 750GB disks *that died* |
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| 20:36.28 | atmos4 | jelly-home: add some serious vibration |
| 20:36.40 | chrismwere | hiya guys. it was premature celebration rtorrent is still awefully slow |
| 20:36.49 | atmos4 | and heat em up, although they'll log overheat conditions to smart |
| 20:36.56 | atmos4 | so maybe bad idea ;-) |
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| 20:37.14 | fxiny | atmos4: yes , then i enlarged the pig windows from the inside , NIN style ;) |
| 20:37.29 | atmos4 | chrismwere: well, usually torrent itself is awfully low =) |
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| 20:38.02 | jelly-home | atmos4: I suspected from the geometry and placement of dead disks and the case, the new blade chassis below them made them croak |
| 20:38.03 | chrismwere | i've tries loads of torrent, all of which runn faster on a bittorrent with a gui |
| 20:38.12 | atmos4 | unless you gots lots of seed and then you still have lots of connection overhead |
| 20:38.33 | chrismwere | what does that mean atmos4? |
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| 20:39.00 | fxiny | jelly-home: nice question how to kill hd before the warranty expires ;) |
| 20:39.05 | atmos4 | well torrent, like most peer2peer networks does lot's of tcp connection to squeeze through a little data from each client |
| 20:39.28 | jelly-home | chrismwere: some GUI clients support opening holes in your router firewall using UPnP, that can help getting more connections |
| 20:39.32 | moldovean | !qotd40 |
| 20:39.32 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 20:39.34 | atmos4 | each connection need to be packed in tcp packet etc. |
| 20:39.48 | chrismwere | how do i do that from the commmand line? |
| 20:39.54 | atmos4 | the more connections, the slower your acks and there you go |
| 20:40.10 | fxiny | looks under the carpet for an old redhat release |
| 20:40.13 | chrismwere | i'm getting speeds of 2kbps |
| 20:40.15 | atmos4 | limiting number of simultaneous connection might actually speed things up |
| 20:40.38 | jordanm | fxiny: I have RH 8.1 in the box with manual |
| 20:40.38 | jelly-home | fxiny: but kill them gradually so the data on raid array doesn't get lost! |
| 20:40.40 | atmos4 | most small routers don't really like more than 100 concurrent connections |
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| 20:41.05 | jordanm | fxiny: ...and the same for caldera linux... |
| 20:41.07 | jordanm | hides |
| 20:41.33 | jelly-home | 8.1 is weird. |
| 20:41.36 | atmos4 | chrismwere: how many seeeds are on the download? |
| 20:41.58 | jordanm | jelly-home: I have never ran it, just have the box :). why is it weird? |
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| 20:42.20 | jelly-home | jordanm: well 7.2 or 7.3 were better known |
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| 20:42.38 | chrismwere | thousands of seeds |
| 20:42.51 | chrismwere | lol hold on i'll get an exact amount |
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| 20:43.38 | thewanderer1 | chrismwere, perhaps rtorrent just has an inefficient event library, like handling then in linear time instead of O(1) |
| 20:43.39 | jelly-home | 54223 seeds, out of that 54007 RIAA clones |
| 20:43.45 | fxiny | jordanm: 8.0 ? hahahah . i found the mytical super buggy 7.0-delux-packaged . i have a caldera maxtor tool in a floppy wich boiled up one 80G hd ;) |
| 20:44.06 | fxiny | jordanm: that caldera floppy can do it ! |
| 20:44.09 | fxiny | oops |
| 20:44.12 | fxiny | jelly-home: ^^ |
| 20:44.17 | jelly-home | fxiny: and left a smouldering caldera? |
| 20:44.25 | fxiny | it was the maxtor tool |
| 20:45.02 | chrismwere | i do i fix that issue theandrewer1? |
| 20:45.50 | fxiny | jelly-home: yeahhh , with a little dumb banckrupted man in the middle , drawning in a sea of debt like it was sailing in the santorini sea |
| 20:46.04 | chrismwere | *sigh* i wish i wasn't running into as many bugs with debian as i am. |
| 20:47.07 | atmos4 | jelly-home: reminds me that two of my 8 wd-re2 in my old workstation didn't die in 3 years, so they didn't get replaced by the newer gen and much faster wd-re2 and wd-re3 |
| 20:48.04 | jelly-home | atmos4: they probably still work |
| 20:48.10 | atmos4 | while they were well cooled they probably suffered vibration due to poor case design |
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| 20:48.35 | atmos4 | they do, I recently setup a solaris san on it, with some ssds for cache devices |
| 20:48.36 | TheHerbert | which filesystem should i use for a debian server installation? |
| 20:48.46 | atmos4 | that when I noticed the grave difference in throughput |
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| 20:49.31 | atmos4 | I think the old ones did some 80MByte/s at beginning of the disk and the newer one 100-110 |
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| 20:49.40 | chrismwere | so? any ideas? |
| 20:50.39 | fxiny | chrismwere: rtorrent flying here |
| 20:50.43 | fxiny | :P |
| 20:51.05 | chrismwere | are you running it on debain stable? |
| 20:51.10 | fxiny | of course |
| 20:51.18 | fxiny | !debain |
| 20:51.18 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 20:51.29 | courpse | rtorrent ftw on squeeze. |
| 20:51.42 | chrismwere | perhaps i could have a copy of your .rtorrent.rc file? |
| 20:51.51 | atmos4 | chrismwere: to get decent torrent performance: use a non standard port, and enable encryption on outgoing traffic, add a port forwarding for the chosen port to your router and limit concurrent connections to no more than 150 |
| 20:51.53 | courpse | default setting should be fine. |
| 20:52.16 | atmos4 | many isps try to throttle bittorrent raffic |
| 20:52.19 | courpse | How is outgoing encryption going to imrpove speeds? |
| 20:52.21 | jordanm | some trackers may reject some clients |
| 20:52.37 | courpse | Unless the client on the other side is doing the same, it wont make differents. |
| 20:52.48 | chrismwere | my slow speed is too consistant to trackers to be rejecting me i think |
| 20:52.49 | courpse | rtorrent is not rejected anywhere i dont think. |
| 20:53.07 | courpse | rtorrent is made from to much win to be rejected. |
| 20:53.09 | atmos4 | courpse: depends on how they detect traffic |
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| 20:53.34 | courpse | atmos4: Also if clients are using encryption too. |
| 20:53.44 | chrismwere | could someone perhaps email me a decend .rtorrent.rc file so i could see if that would help? |
| 20:53.51 | courpse | Default should be fine. |
| 20:53.54 | atmos4 | analyzong all traffic on receive is more cpu intensive with asynchronous links |
| 20:53.54 | atmos4 | # |
| 20:53.58 | courpse | How many peers does the file have? |
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| 20:54.23 | atmos4 | more interestin is seed to leech ratio |
| 20:54.55 | atmos4 | if there's not enough seeds to satisfy the leeches, speed will naturally suck |
| 20:55.10 | courpse | Only once everyone is at the same point. |
| 20:55.15 | courpse | Before then, leechers will seed to him too. |
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| 20:55.19 | chrismwere | i'm getting 2kbps. 22 peers |
| 20:55.20 | atmos4 | throw in asynchronous link speed and you know where you are |
| 20:55.40 | chrismwere | i know it's not the torrents fault |
| 20:55.45 | courpse | chrismwere: private tracker? |
| 20:55.53 | atmos4 | e.g. on my cable link I have 1 mbps up, but 32 mbps downstream speed |
| 20:55.57 | fxiny | chrismwere: check your .rtorrent.rc for : upload/download peers and so on |
| 20:56.10 | chrismwere | how do i do that? |
| 20:56.19 | MACscr | ok, so i have debian 5 as xen guest. I corrected the timze zone and installed ntpdate, but its still showing the utc date. Any ideas? |
| 20:56.21 | fxiny | just edit |
| 20:56.27 | fxiny | is commented |
| 20:57.03 | chrismwere | it's all commented |
| 20:57.07 | atmos4 | chrismwere: how many seeds are there of the 22 peers |
| 20:57.19 | jelly-home | !tell MACscr about tz |
| 20:57.46 | jelly-home | MACscr: did you do that? |
| 20:57.56 | MACscr | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:58.11 | chrismwere | how do i find out the number of seeds |
| 20:58.16 | fxiny | chrismwere: all commented ? uncomment and edit at will |
| 20:58.38 | chrismwere | i've been doing that all day. i'm lost |
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| 20:59.01 | jelly-home | MACscr: do you have TZ environment variable set in that shell where you check the date? paste the output of "date" and "TZ=UTC date" and "env|grep TZ" |
| 20:59.06 | MACscr | jelly-home: nevermind, guess one of my updates wiped out my tzconfig and i had to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 20:59.29 | chrismwere | can someone just email me accross their rc file so i can try that? |
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| 21:01.21 | moldovean | chrismwere purge it and reinstall |
| 21:01.51 | chrismwere | okay if your sure that's what i should do |
| 21:01.52 | fxiny | chrismwere: start with scrolling down to "creating a config file" at http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentUserGuide |
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| 21:03.31 | chrismwere | i know all this i think |
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| 21:05.39 | ilusion | aeee |
| 21:05.42 | ilusion | alguem ai no fisl? |
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| 21:07.50 | chrismwere | this is really getting me down |
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| 21:09.06 | chrismwere | all of my other command line bt clients are just as slow but anything that runs in a gui is really quite fast |
| 21:09.21 | DogBoy | heh |
| 21:09.29 | DogBoy | I just setup rtorrent |
| 21:09.36 | DogBoy | is that the one you're asking about |
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| 21:10.05 | DogBoy | there must be some special gui mojo |
| 21:10.15 | thewanderer1 | or ulimit... |
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| 21:12.02 | DogBoy | chrismwere, what's with the command line clients then |
| 21:12.54 | chrismwere | long story but linux in general doesn't like my graphics card or moniter and i can't afford new |
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| 21:13.54 | chrismwere | ive wasted my whole day doing this with no success |
| 21:14.18 | chrismwere | and i dont have a day to blow on stupid bugs like this |
| 21:14.20 | Bushmills | chrismwere: you have have running slow framebuffer but faster xorg driver |
| 21:14.33 | chrismwere | ? |
| 21:14.47 | Bushmills | console slow, gui fast |
| 21:14.59 | chrismwere | how can i correct this? |
| 21:15.26 | Bushmills | do you see a graphical logo - tux - during boot in console? |
| 21:15.32 | Bushmills | upper left |
| 21:15.33 | chrismwere | no i don't |
| 21:16.30 | Bushmills | what does executing "fbset" on console show? |
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| 21:17.02 | chrismwere | it shows "command not found" |
| 21:17.36 | chrismwere | i'll install it and see where it takes me |
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| 21:17.47 | Bushmills | doesn't seem frame buffer related |
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| 21:18.15 | chrismwere | open /dev/fb1 no file or directory it shows |
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| 21:19.19 | chrismwere | you say its not framebuffer related by my videos play really slowly on the command line too |
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| 21:20.36 | chrismwere | does that change anything |
| 21:21.07 | Bushmills | command line video ... console? |
| 21:21.32 | chrismwere | yup using svgalibs |
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| 21:22.13 | Bushmills | aalib/caca? if not frame buffer. hm. svgalib seems to be obsolescent, supporting mostly obsolescent video cards |
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| 21:22.51 | chrismwere | what do you mean? |
| 21:23.14 | Bushmills | what graphics card is yours? |
| 21:23.32 | chrismwere | can't remember off the top of my head. nothing special though |
| 21:23.46 | chrismwere | trident one i think |
| 21:23.56 | Bushmills | isa card? |
| 21:24.05 | chrismwere | i dont know |
| 21:24.25 | Bushmills | older trident cards are actually rather slow, compared to others |
| 21:25.10 | Bushmills | i remember when i swapped my isa trident against an isa et4000, and screen output was suddenly *fast* |
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| 21:26.48 | chrismwere | anyways its not important. any ideas about my slow bittorrent rate? |
| 21:26.49 | anigma | is there a Debian Live CD? |
| 21:27.07 | chrismwere | yes there is you can google it quite easily |
| 21:27.27 | anigma | oh |
| 21:27.30 | anigma | would you look at that.. |
| 21:27.33 | anigma | thanks |
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| 21:27.44 | Bushmills | chrismwere: were you the rtorrent user? |
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| 21:29.02 | chrismwere | yes i was the rtorrent user |
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| 21:29.57 | Bushmills | you'd not be the only one with rtorrent performance problems. though i can't confirm those - didn't make much difference for me in comparison with bittornado |
| 21:30.42 | chrismwere | well i've searched all day and found very little |
| 21:30.55 | Diziet | I've got a Debian kernel package which I'm trying to rebuild with changes. I followed the instructions in s4.2 of this page http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html and that worked. |
| 21:31.28 | Diziet | However, now I want to make another small change. So I edited the file I edited before, and reran the rune that page quotes, and it doesn't actually recompile anything - it just messes about rebuilding the .deb. |
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| 21:31.40 | Diziet | Does anyone know what I should be doing ? Since obviously it's not this ... |
| 21:32.03 | frostschutz | rtorrent works great for me when I limit number of connections and upload rate... it may try to do too much otherwise |
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| 21:32.19 | Diziet | I tried reading debian/rules* but my brain exploded under the pressure of fourteen thousand nearly-identical make meta-meta-runes. |
| 21:32.56 | chrismwere | when i mean slow i mean its runngin at 3kbps. i don't think perfomance tweaks are the problem |
| 21:33.24 | Diziet | I guess I could "make clean" and hope ccache sorts it out. |
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| 21:33.36 | Diziet | Nope. install: cannot stat `debian/build/build_i386_none_686-bigmem/arch/x86/boot/bzImage': No such file or directory |
| 21:33.59 | Diziet | I tried searching for *stamp* files to delete but I couldn't find any. |
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| 21:34.28 | Bushmills | chrismwere: either client, rtorrent or bittornado, worked with 2000+ kilobytes per second for me |
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| 21:35.05 | Diziet | Oh wait I missed debian/stamps. Hrm, let me try deleting something there. |
| 21:35.40 | chrismwere | so can you send me your .rtorrent.rc file so i can see what is different on mine? |
| 21:35.45 | Diziet | That's better. If only I'd found that before I did "make clean". Oh well. Sorry to bother you. |
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| 21:36.53 | Bushmills | no, i can't. because i don't even have one |
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| 21:36.58 | chrismwere | ok |
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| 21:39.00 | valdyn | irssi |
| 21:39.07 | Bushmills | is your provide throttling p2p traffic? |
| 21:39.11 | Bushmills | provider |
| 21:41.22 | chrismwere | i don't know how do i find out? |
| 21:41.58 | jordanm | you can't really, because its doubtful they would admit to it |
| 21:42.44 | jordanm | chrismwere: I saw on the mailing list once, that one was having issues with torrents on linux, and the problem was actually that his router couldn't handle the ammount of connections |
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| 21:44.26 | chrismwere | no its not that |
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| 21:48.05 | chrismwere | is svga libs even active? |
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| 21:50.33 | anigma | can I do a fresh install from the Live CD? |
| 21:51.03 | DogBoy | you can do an install from the install cd |
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| 21:51.55 | DogBoy | that's a fairly common question in here I think |
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| 21:55.46 | CaBa | i have isses with a lenny system... the system freezes every once and a while, i think mostly when disk i/o is happening. its an atom/ion configuration with 3 1.5TB harddrives running sw-raid5 and dmcrypt. are there any known isses my system could be related to? |
| 21:58.15 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: what exactly freezes? Does the mouse still work/numlock still work? |
| 21:58.54 | dondelelcaro | (you're certainly going to get some io-related issues with software raid 5 and dmcrypt, though) |
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| 22:02.44 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: there is no X server running on that system. i dont know if the numlock still works |
| 22:03.21 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: when i had a screen and a keyboar dattached i remember that i can't get the screen un-blanked by keys or anything |
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| 22:03.32 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: power button (acpi evend handling) also doesnt work |
| 22:03.40 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: what do you mean bythat? |
| 22:03.51 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: why are there issues expected with raid5+dmcrypt? |
| 22:03.58 | fubada | hi, can I kill -9 apt-get install. im stuck on "Setting up openswan", this is a bug in XEN kernel due to the lack of entropy |
| 22:04.07 | fubada | and its already running for over an hour |
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| 22:04.12 | fubada | cntrl-c doesnt do it |
| 22:04.15 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: because you're adding a lot of processing on top of any IO that you're doing |
| 22:04.20 | CaBa | fubada: try cause some entropy to be created |
| 22:04.40 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: so what? it might be slow but it should work, right? |
| 22:04.47 | fubada | what can I do? i need to isntall "rngd |
| 22:04.51 | fubada | but i cant exit apt-get |
| 22:04.53 | fubada | to do it |
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| 22:04.59 | CaBa | fubada: compile a kernel or something :P |
| 22:05.15 | fubada | i can just install rngd |
| 22:05.25 | fubada | if I could exit the current apt process |
| 22:05.25 | waltercool | Hi there :D I just want know about some good tutorial for make "easy" deb packages (debian.org tutorial seems very complex), and i want make a binary of a closedsource app |
| 22:05.29 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: sure, but you can get blocking if you have a lot of IO happening |
| 22:05.44 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: anyway, have you checked dmesg? have you looked at what iotop says? |
| 22:05.46 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: but the system shouldnt freeze from that |
| 22:06.09 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: it's not clear to me if it's freezing; does ssh still echo characters? |
| 22:06.30 | dondelelcaro | you've likely just managed to block all read requests |
| 22:06.44 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: hm, how can i check that? |
| 22:07.11 | jordanm | waltercool: what do you intend to do with the package? |
| 22:07.29 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: i just can tell that if there is a block it doesnt resolve any time soon. sometimes i detect the freezes very late (like after a week if i am not home) |
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| 22:08.01 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: oh, you're talking that the machine hangs entirely? |
| 22:08.07 | CaBa | yes |
| 22:08.08 | jordanm | waltercool: large number of machines? one machine? upload to debian? |
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| 22:08.14 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: is there any output to the screen? |
| 22:08.18 | waltercool | jordanm, i just want make a easy installation of the game Neverwinter Nights (i have permission) |
| 22:08.20 | CaBa | nope |
| 22:08.22 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: do you have a serial terminal? |
| 22:08.25 | CaBa | nope |
| 22:08.42 | waltercool | jordanm, is just a "per machine" installation with dpkg |
| 22:09.01 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: well, it'll be impossible to figure out why it's hanging without a serial terminal or a working display. it could be anything from a kernel bug, to hardware issues |
| 22:09.08 | jordanm | waltercool: I believe gentoo has an install script... perhaps you can just grab and use that |
| 22:09.23 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: i had that issue also with a screen attached. no message, just freeze |
| 22:09.24 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: if you can get a serial terminal on it, that'd help you figure out what it is. Otherwise, try adding panic=10 or similar to at least get the machine to reboot |
| 22:09.35 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: was there a login prompt or anything? |
| 22:09.38 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: no kernel panic message or something |
| 22:09.40 | waltercool | jordanm, im going to check it out on portage ;) |
| 22:09.42 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: did the sysreq button work? |
| 22:09.42 | waltercool | thanks |
| 22:09.44 | jordanm | waltercool: you will need to read and understand the guide a bit for that, as it won't use a sane build system that would work with checkinstall |
| 22:10.14 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: well if i tried to reproduce the problem by creating high io with dd or something then that command is the last thing i see |
| 22:10.42 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: never tried that button |
| 22:10.54 | waltercool | jordanm, yes, i know, i read it all, is excelent for apps with sourcecode, but difficult for just binary |
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| 22:11.13 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: well, that's one of the things you can try. Anyway, if sysreq doesn't work, then it's most likely hardware related, or possibly a buggy driver |
| 22:11.29 | CaBa | what is it supposed to do? |
| 22:11.44 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: you can dump memory, restart the machine, and do all sorts of useful things |
| 22:11.55 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 22:12.18 | Martin_vW | Hi. When the preinst script of my package is being run during an upgrade e.g. from version to version 2, what's the status of the package's files? Are the files from version 1 all removed, or are they still there? |
| 22:12.25 | Martin_vW | *from version 1 to version 2 |
| 22:12.30 | dondelelcaro | Martin_vW: depends |
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| 22:12.45 | starcoder|Svr | test |
| 22:13.11 | dondelelcaro | Martin_vW: the postinst will have version 2 files there, the preinst won't. See http://adren.org/~cyril/debian/MaintainerScripts.html or similar. |
| 22:13.14 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: hm, i'll have to try that... |
| 22:13.55 | jordanm | waltercool: doesn't it still require entry of a cd key? |
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| 22:15.32 | Martin_vW | dondelelcaro: ah, didn't know that site yet, the diagrams explain it: when the preinst of the new package is run, the old files are still there. |
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| 22:16.47 | [sr] | howdy people |
| 22:16.55 | [sr] | i used to use the gartoon icon set for apache |
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| 22:16.59 | [sr] | but that is "dead" |
| 22:17.15 | [sr] | does it exist another package with icons like these one's? |
| 22:18.10 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: i was already thinking if to change the hardware... i took that ion chipset because the sata controller has 4 ports... but i would probably be better off with the intel chipset stuff for a server than that nvidia ion multimedia crap |
| 22:19.32 | themill | dpkg, pkg scripts =~ s,http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts,http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts, |
| 22:19.32 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 22:23.08 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: yeah, there were some problems with those early sata chipsets |
| 22:23.21 | CaBa | dondelelcaro: hm? |
| 22:23.56 | dondelelcaro | CaBa: ISTR having some issues with some of the early nvidia sata chipsets not working particularly well |
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| 22:32.32 | nsadmin2 | is there sojmething in debian or in non-free that can be done about... b43legacy-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43legacy/ucode4.fw" not found or load failed. |
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| 22:34.22 | ephcon | may not be the right channel, but I was trying to get thinkpad special keys working under lxde in debian unstable |
| 22:34.26 | ephcon | any suggestions? |
| 22:34.44 | themill | !multimedia keys |
| 22:34.44 | dpkg | Multimedia keys are the special keyboard keys for doing such things as changing the volume or launching your web browser. Check to see if these keys generate a scan code using xev and set the keyboard layout correctly or assign them to a shortcut with xmodmap, kcontrolcenter, gnome-control-panel etc. Also ask about <keytouch>, <tpb>. See http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html |
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| 22:35.23 | ephcon | thanks guys |
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| 22:37.57 | nsadmin2 | once I got this minipci card in the slot correctly (and the antennas connected... that was some work,,,,) the bios saw the card, debian lenny saw the card and loaded the appropriate modules... now it needs firmware. it's a BCM4396 |
| 22:38.07 | nsadmin2 | 4306 |
| 22:38.48 | nsadmin2 | !bcm |
| 22:38.58 | nsadmin2 | !broadcom |
| 22:38.58 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 22:39.13 | nsadmin2 | !b43 |
| 22:39.13 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:40.18 | nsadmin2 | !b43-fwcutter |
| 22:40.18 | dpkg | b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 4 and 3 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers, for use by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers respectively. Available as a <contrib> package in Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy for further details. Squeeze users: the b43-fwcutter package does not download/extract firmware, install the relevant installer package ("apt-cache search firmware-b43"). |
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| 22:52.19 | nsadmin2 | IT WORKS! |
| 22:52.44 | project2501a | 404 |
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| 22:53.11 | nsadmin2 | I think it's a lot faster too |
| 22:53.49 | cnu | with debian live/live-helper: how do i put "aptitude -t experimental chromium-browser" into chroot_local-packageslists? |
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| 23:11.11 | fubada | whats the best way to find a perl module with apt |
| 23:11.15 | fubada | i dont want to use cpan |
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| 23:11.50 | cast | aptitude search |
| 23:11.56 | Sia- | Hi, is a way to edit the menu list in grub 2 on squeeze because i have 2 kernel parameter and want to remove one and disable this image in grub background |
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| 23:12.06 | calito | apt-cache search |
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| 23:12.56 | themill | fubada: "apt-cache search Foo::Bar" will often turn it up, but "apt-file search Foo/Bar.pm" is sometimes more useful. |
| 23:13.22 | fubada | thanks |
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| 23:15.34 | Tramp_ | Sia-: see /etc/grub.d/40_custom or /etc/default/grub |
| 23:17.25 | fubada | fark |
| 23:17.34 | fubada | cant find Net::SFTP with apty |
| 23:17.35 | fubada | apt |
| 23:17.37 | fubada | can someone help |
| 23:18.03 | calito | did you apt-cache searC? |
| 23:18.07 | calito | search* |
| 23:18.08 | fubada | yea |
| 23:18.12 | fubada | found only Net::SFTP::Foreign |
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| 23:18.49 | calito | hm. maybe it's not a package? |
| 23:19.47 | Sia- | Tramp, is nothing about what is looking for in this files |
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| 23:20.08 | calito | Sia-, http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId584691 |
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| 23:21.38 | Tramp | Sia-: well, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT works well enough for me for adding parameters and for a completely custom one it's the S40_custom. Not sure what your problem is then. |
| 23:22.17 | Sia- | Tramp, i have to parameter for the same kernel version on boot start |
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| 23:29.18 | cybercobra | what does aptitude mean when it says certain packages are "recommended"? |
| 23:29.54 | calito | i think it's like similar packages |
| 23:30.02 | calito | other packages you might want |
| 23:30.04 | themill | !why recommends |
| 23:30.04 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality. |
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| 23:50.36 | lilith | hi al |
| 23:51.35 | lilith | say gdm show itself off center, despite that desktop functioning centers perfectly. Is there a way around this? |
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| 23:54.42 | streuner | How about to just use startx? :-P |
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| 23:55.39 | lilith | not an option because it's for my sis |
| 23:55.57 | fubada | is it troublesome to use apt and cpan for perl modules |
| 23:56.05 | fubada | i cant find some stuff in apt |
| 23:56.25 | lilith | I got an idea |
| 23:56.28 | lilith | be back |
| 23:56.29 | streuner | dh_make_perl |
| 23:56.33 | fubada | ? |
| 23:56.53 | streuner | lots of cpan modules are already in Debian |
| 23:57.01 | fubada | i cant find Email::Sender::Simple |
| 23:57.06 | fubada | and a ton of my scripts use that |
| 23:57.12 | streuner | but there is a package to make packages out of cpan |
| 23:57.18 | fubada | how |
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| 23:58.31 | brah | How do I make a desktop shortcut to a samba file? |
| 23:58.31 | dondelelcaro | fubada: it's in libemail-sender-perl |
| 23:58.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell fubada -about pdo |
| 23:58.40 | brah | evince smb://blah gives "Operation not supported" |
| 23:58.49 | brah | I installed gvfs and then it gives "smb://blah is not mounted" |
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| 23:59.18 | brah | It's a pdf file, by the way. |
| 23:59.40 | fubada | E: Couldn't find package libemail-sender-perl |
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