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| 00:00.42 | frikinz | are there any available lenny virtual box images available? |
| 00:01.25 | frikinz | ok found :) |
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| 00:21.58 | norbert_ | hi, is it possible to have "cp -i" automatically rename files? |
| 00:23.10 | Bop | anyone here have skills of getting streamed videos ? |
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| 00:27.42 | craigevil | Bop: on that site click menu then click get link |
| 00:27.56 | Bop | i've tryed |
| 00:27.59 | Bop | no good |
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| 00:35.13 | derik | how i see if php is install on my debian |
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| 00:42.20 | aguitel_ | how delete menu items in kde? |
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| 00:45.49 | macrobat | kmenuedit! |
| 00:49.36 | coolguy4 | I want to install firefox (32-bit) with the 32-bit java plugin on Debian (lenny). Currently I have Lenny installed in a chroot. I downloaded the 32bit firefox binary from mozilla and extracted it in /opt/firefox inside the chroot, then I downloaded the 32-bit jre binary from the sun website and extracted it to /opt/java in the chroot. Then I created a link for the plugin in /opt/firefox/plugins. Now when I run firefox (I do this from the |
| 00:49.37 | coolguy4 | chroot because of xhost on the main system), I go to about:plugins and I see no java plugin. ALso, if I try to run the plugin from the CLI in the chroot I see 'segmentation fault'. |
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| 00:54.11 | derik | i whant a simple control panel for webserver |
| 00:55.08 | craigevil | derik: google openpanel |
| 00:55.38 | abrotman | !tell derik about dtc |
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| 01:14.29 | kdasdasf | hi i want to secure my webserver by putting it into a chrooted-environment |
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| 01:14.41 | kdasdasf | but all tutorials suggest to /copy/ the libraries to the chroot |
| 01:14.56 | kdasdasf | but then all security updates wouldn't be applied would they? |
| 01:15.13 | kdasdasf | is there a simple way to place apache/lighttpd or nginx into a chrooted environment? |
| 01:15.26 | kdasdasf | (must be possible to execute php) |
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| 01:16.35 | mischief | kdasdasf, there's no getting around copying the libraries. |
| 01:16.53 | kdasdasf | so after every update i have to recopy them? |
| 01:17.01 | kdasdasf | do hardlinks or something work? |
| 01:17.21 | frostschutz | hardlinks won't work |
| 01:17.31 | frostschutz | they'll keep linking the old files |
| 01:17.37 | kdasdasf | hm |
| 01:17.39 | mischief | how often are stable libraries going to change, kdasdasf? |
| 01:18.10 | kdasdasf | but isn't placing a daemon into a chroot a common task? is there some kind of $webserver-chrooted package available? |
| 01:18.13 | frostschutz | make a script that copies for you |
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| 01:18.15 | frostschutz | run the script |
| 01:18.28 | kdasdasf | mischief, everytime a security update is issued |
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| 01:18.59 | kdasdasf | frostschutz, thought about that, didn't think it's the sanest solution |
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| 01:20.56 | JPP | maybe make a cron that compares a stored md5sum of one of the libraries to the md5sum of the current ones |
| 01:21.06 | frostschutz | well, if you find a way to make the copy unnecessary (e.g. by hardlinking them) you most likely at the same time found a way for the chroot to become ineffective (if an attacker gains access to the chroot, changes the hardlinked libraries and therefore the libraries in your main server) |
| 01:21.12 | JPP | if its a different sum, copy the files over. if not, leave it alone |
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| 01:45.46 | nsadmin | I tried to backport grub2 from sid to lenny, for one thing it wants gcc-4.4 which doesn't seem to be available for lenny... (not to mention that version of grub builds fine just by typing configure ; make |
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| 01:45.49 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 01:46.19 | abrotman | nsadmin: why? it's already been done for you? |
| 01:46.38 | nsadmin | well I did want a package |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | judd: versions grub-pc |
| 01:47.27 | judd | grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100710-1; sid: 1.98+20100722-1 |
| 01:47.31 | abrotman | it's already been done |
| 01:48.03 | nsadmin | lenny-backports doesn't have that version (or, in fact, any version of grub which is supported upstream) so, I tried to backport |
| 01:48.20 | nsadmin | 1.97~beta3 is not supported upstream |
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| 01:48.30 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 01:48.47 | abrotman | what's wrong with the grub2 in lenny/lenny-backports? |
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| 01:49.22 | nsadmin | I would like to run one under which I can ask questions of upstream if I so choose. |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | the grub maintainer for debian hangs out in #grub and will answer debian related questoins |
| 01:50.02 | nsadmin | who is it? |
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| 01:51.25 | Phil | eh, may seem an odd question but... how does one 'refresh' /dev |
| 01:51.44 | Phil | I've copied one disk to another with dcfldd and would like to test mount /dev/sdb3 |
| 01:51.52 | Phil | however such a device doesn't exist |
| 01:52.13 | Phil | yet there is an partition 3 in the partiton table |
| 01:52.28 | Phil | I'm ideally looking to do this without reboot |
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| 01:53.20 | zebradog | anyone here uses a dns323 or dns321 ? |
| 01:53.38 | zebradog | cant set e-mail alerts to his lenny box |
| 01:53.59 | zebradog | (says email works fine from thunderbird from another station outside lenny box) |
| 01:54.38 | sweetpi | Phil: try partprobe |
| 01:55.09 | nsadmin | Phil: I'm given to understand that devices are getting their names (these days) from udev, so maybe restarting that will help. As this might turn out to be a dangerous operation, I'll just say your milage may -vary-, so due caution is advised. |
| 01:55.23 | zebradog | Phil: testdisk is another tool that can try recreating partition table |
| 01:55.36 | Phil | don't want to recreate the partition table |
| 01:55.39 | nsadmin | probably he has a partition table |
| 01:55.45 | Phil | just notify the OS of a changed table |
| 01:55.47 | nsadmin | he just needs the kernel to reread it |
| 01:55.54 | Phil | restarting udev didn't work |
| 01:55.59 | nsadmin | do you have other partitions mounted from sdb? |
| 01:56.08 | Phil | no |
| 01:56.09 | sweetpi | !partprobe |
| 01:56.16 | Phil | I'll try partprobe but the primary disk is kinda fubar |
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| 01:56.41 | Phil | I'll have to mount a ram disk and extract the deb on that |
| 01:56.59 | nsadmin | oh, so maybe you could run fdisk /dev/sdb, then p (to make sure the partitions look reasonable), then w to write it, which will also try to reread it |
| 01:57.20 | Phil | ok |
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| 01:57.30 | nsadmin | this would work if the disk is not busy (which it would be if you have partitions on it mounted, or swapspace activated, etc) |
| 01:57.53 | Phil | it's not mounted :S |
| 01:58.01 | Phil | but it does say it's busy |
| 01:58.07 | Phil | although, df -h says it is |
| 01:58.12 | Phil | but it actually isn't |
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| 01:58.29 | nsadmin | so something would seem to be mounted already. |
| 01:58.33 | nsadmin | what does mount say? |
| 01:58.44 | Phil | umount says: umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted |
| 01:58.45 | sweetpi | Phil: you could also try blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdX |
| 01:58.50 | Phil | df says: /dev/sdb1 220G 91G 118G 44% /mnt/backups |
| 01:59.11 | Phil | blockdev says: BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy |
| 01:59.29 | nsadmin | so some of your system says yes, some says no. |
| 01:59.35 | Phil | indeed |
| 01:59.36 | nsadmin | maybe you need to reboot. |
| 01:59.38 | Phil | confusion all around |
| 01:59.59 | Phil | trying to avoid that without being able to test mount sdb3 to check all is well first |
| 02:00.06 | Phil | so I can just reboot with the 2nd disk |
| 02:00.37 | Phil | as the primary has gone read only and won't remount RW |
| 02:00.40 | nsadmin | why does it think your partition is mounted while you claim it isn't? |
| 02:00.53 | Phil | no clue |
| 02:00.57 | Phil | umount claims it isn't, also |
| 02:01.02 | Phil | I can mount it |
| 02:01.05 | Phil | and then umount it |
| 02:01.08 | Phil | but df stays the same |
| 02:01.25 | sweetpi | Phil: grep sdb /proc/swaps |
| 02:01.49 | nsadmin | did you say something about something remounted ro? |
| 02:01.52 | Phil | nothing |
| 02:02.09 | Phil | nsadmin, sda went to ro a few days ago |
| 02:02.12 | Phil | and won't remount rw |
| 02:02.16 | Phil | the assumption is that it's broken |
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| 02:02.26 | Phil | sweetpi, no swaps |
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| 02:02.56 | nsadmin | what is the box for? what is the distance (in miles or feet) from you to the box? |
| 02:03.11 | Phil | many |
| 02:03.17 | Phil | it's a remote box in a German DC |
| 02:03.22 | Phil | I'm a Brit currently in the US |
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| 02:03.41 | nsadmin | so 10k mi minimum :/ |
| 02:04.02 | tarkaram | abrotman: thanks for suggesting dyndns yesterday. It worked great and I installed a ssh app on my blackberry and I can remotely access my debian box now. I see endless possibilities and I am totally excited.. ! |
| 02:04.10 | nsadmin | so, you are strongly advised to back up; I suspect that's what you're doing |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | yay@! |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | tarkaram: glad it worked out for you |
| 02:04.31 | Phil | the idea was to image the disk to a file on a remote server and then image disk to disk |
| 02:04.37 | Phil | then reboot using the 2nd disk |
| 02:04.47 | Phil | and get the DC to swap out the broken one |
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| 02:04.53 | tarkaram | abrotman: thanks again !! |
| 02:04.57 | nsadmin | any idea what caused sda to break? |
| 02:05.10 | Phil | however I'd like to test mount sdb3 before rebooting to make sure it's imaged right |
| 02:05.11 | Phil | nop |
| 02:05.27 | Phil | any way I can force a disk to stop being busy? :S |
| 02:05.43 | Phil | as it shouldn't be doing anything |
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| 02:06.22 | nsadmin | well there's not a lot I can say beyond what I've already said |
| 02:07.06 | nsadmin | not sure how you put data on sdb3 without the kernel being aware of the partition to this point |
| 02:07.38 | Phil | byte for byte copy with dcfldd (better version of dd) |
| 02:07.45 | sweetpi | Phil: maybe df lies :) try /proc/mounts or lsof | grep /dev/sdb |
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| 02:08.50 | Phil | no sdb in /proc/mounts |
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| 02:09.40 | sweetpi | what about lsof? |
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| 02:10.51 | Phil | just had to extract the deb to a ram disk |
| 02:10.52 | Phil | running now |
| 02:10.57 | Phil | nop, nothing |
| 02:11.07 | Phil | thinks it's smoking something funneh |
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| 02:13.54 | Phil | shrugs |
| 02:13.56 | Phil | thanks for the help |
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| 02:14.01 | Phil | I'll have to reboot and hope it works |
| 02:14.55 | sweetpi | hmm no idea. not in a chroot or anything odd? i seem to remember having an issue like this with IO errors, but that was on the boot device |
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| 02:16.34 | Phil | no chroot, no |
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| 02:41.30 | DogBoy | I think that would be preseed sweetpi |
| 02:41.36 | DogBoy | ask dpkg about it |
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| 02:42.33 | sweetpi | DogBoy: great, thanks |
| 02:42.41 | snail | i'm looking for instructions on how to mount a remote windows share on lenny server as stably as possible. there seem to be a lot of different versions and layers of interfaces and i'm a little confused by the them all... |
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| 02:50.11 | jhutchins | mount -t smbfs //server/share /mount/point |
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| 02:53.51 | snail | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 03:07.30 | kdasdasf | what happens if a security hole in a packages, shipped with debian etch is discovered? |
| 03:07.39 | kdasdasf | is this announced somewhere? |
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| 03:09.12 | jaggz | is there a peer to peer (ip-based) network for friends to share files? |
| 03:09.53 | jaggz | not using public file sharing networks.. we're just working on projects at/for our school |
| 03:11.43 | jaggz | I don't want to setup, say, a jabber server on my public servers due to the potential for opening up security holes with more software |
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| 03:12.24 | FastPutty | hello poeple, 0 0 */2 * * in crontab is mean every 2 day right? |
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| 03:14.42 | jaggz | this is all for actual legitimate purposes... sigh. |
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| 03:19.24 | tictac | jaggz: setup vpns between clients and share away. |
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| 03:22.16 | craigevil | kdasdasf: i doubt it since etch is no longer on the mirrors, and security support for it ended in Feb. |
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| 03:22.51 | jaggz | why does aptitude search show with such low columns (looks like 80)... |
| 03:22.55 | Siegfried | Hello, since yesterday when i wget invaliddomainiazuad.org it resolves to "www.com.org" though it doesn't resolve with "host" or nslookup, any idea? i didn't change anything |
| 03:23.22 | jaggz | stty size shows 179 cols. COLUMNS was set to 79 (that's weird). I set it up by hand but the search descriptions still are cropped the same |
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| 03:23.45 | jaggz | Siegfried, hm.. not sure.. what's dig report? |
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| 03:24.39 | Siegfried | jaggz: dig invaliddomaindssds.org ? |
| 03:25.18 | jaggz | yeah |
| 03:25.27 | jaggz | hmm.. I used ejabberd in the past.. |
| 03:25.39 | Siegfried | http://pastebin.com/iJvtpyD2 |
| 03:25.40 | rxt0 | is somebody using giFT with Ares plugin? |
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| 03:26.05 | Siegfried | Résolution de dskdssscxcxczzzz.org... 216.234.246.153 |
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| 03:26.22 | Siegfried | i don't have any "search" in resolv.conf |
| 03:26.45 | jaggz | me either |
| 03:26.58 | Siegfried | the message resolving i wrote before is from wget |
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| 03:27.59 | Siegfried | also invaliddomain.com seems to resolve to invaliddomain.com.com which is search.com, it somehow adds .com everywhere :| |
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| 03:34.11 | jaggz | what ns are you using? |
| 03:34.25 | Siegfried | 127.0.0.1 i have bind9 |
| 03:34.46 | Siegfried | resolv.conf only has nameserver 127.0.0.1 nothing more |
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| 03:35.26 | Siegfried | i tried to reload bind9 but nothing, this problem began yesterday suddenly, i didn't modify bind or anything special |
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| 03:41.30 | mmnicolas | does anybody know an easy way to use rsync output with dialog or whiptail --gauge's ? |
| 03:42.45 | mmnicolas | guess i need to extract the numbers from to-check=(XXX/XX) but they're not even in seperated columns :( what a pain |
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| 03:46.53 | craigevil | Siegfried: are you running testing? |
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| 03:49.52 | Siegfried | craigevil: no, lenny |
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| 03:52.22 | gnarface | mmnicolas: regex? |
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| 03:53.55 | mmnicolas | yea, i can isolate to-check=( but not the numbers from the ( / ), can't find out how, or it doesnt work |
| 03:54.31 | mmnicolas | i need some advanced sed tricks |
| 03:55.58 | mmnicolas | do you happen to be a sed/awk jedi ? |
| 03:56.27 | gnarface | not really i prefer PCRE |
| 03:56.34 | gnarface | http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596528126/ |
| 03:56.42 | gnarface | i read this book and never had problems with regex again though |
| 03:56.43 | mmnicolas | kind of a pain in the mouth |
| 03:59.38 | gnarface | you should be able to do what you want with sed, awk or grep too though |
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| 04:00.55 | mmnicolas | it's a book about the force ? |
| 04:00.56 | gnarface | sortof :) |
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| 04:01.36 | gnarface | it goes into detail about understanding regular expression syntax in it's multiple flavors as well as how to optimize for speed |
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| 04:02.50 | mmnicolas | mmmm multiple flavors |
| 04:02.50 | mmnicolas | that is probably my main problem |
| 04:02.50 | mmnicolas | when is . a metacharacter |
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| 04:02.51 | gnarface | it goes into the type of detailed understanding you need for complex problems that you wouldn't be able to get from years of reading examples and syntax charts online |
| 04:02.52 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:02.53 | mmnicolas | oh really |
| 04:02.54 | gnarface | at least with PCRE and whatever grep is |
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| 04:02.54 | mmnicolas | PCRE is a spec ? |
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| 04:02.54 | gnarface | originally PERL's implementation of regex |
| 04:02.54 | mmnicolas | oh |
| 04:02.54 | gnarface | an answer to the fact that people thought the one grep implements was not full-featured enough |
| 04:02.55 | gnarface | now it's become very popular and many other languages also have a PCRE implementation |
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| 04:03.12 | mmnicolas | interesting |
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| 04:26.29 | Gnudoll | is there a way to adjust how frequently the time-admin tool syncs with NTP servers? My time keeps drifting, and adjustimex is not helping |
| 04:28.36 | andrewsw | if you're setup right, the ntp daemon *should* gradually adjust for clock drift so that it keeps the time well between checks with the ntp servers. At least, that's how I understand it. |
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| 04:29.16 | sticky | Yeah |
| 04:29.22 | sticky | Thats the best way, andrewsw |
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| 04:29.42 | Gnudoll | well, this is a fresh install 9less than a month old) and the time has been drifting badly since day one |
| 04:29.46 | sticky | Gnudoll, if you want to do it really hacky, just run `ntpdate pool.ntp.org` every minute in crontab |
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| 04:30.22 | Gnudoll | sticky: OK that is just an ugly hack |
| 04:30.30 | sticky | I've had systems where ntpd wouldnt keep up, but ntpdate pool.ntp.org would |
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| 04:30.41 | Gnudoll | there has to be a config file somewhere. . . |
| 04:30.42 | sticky | Gnudoll, yes it's very hacky |
| 04:30.55 | sticky | Gnudoll, One moment, let me open up a shell and tell you |
| 04:31.06 | andrewsw | if you reboot frequently, you can set a parameter in /etc/default/foo-ntp to allow it to adjust by larger increments on startup . THat can help |
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| 04:31.24 | sticky | Gnudoll, are you using "OpenNTPd" ? |
| 04:31.37 | andrewsw | for openntpd the line is DAEMON_OPTS="-s" |
| 04:31.46 | Gnudoll | ntp and ntpdate |
| 04:32.17 | sticky | yeah, I would run -s |
| 04:32.21 | sticky | if it was openntpd |
| 04:32.33 | sticky | /etc/default/openttpd |
| 04:32.45 | Gnudoll | adjustimex is supposed to do corrections |
| 04:32.56 | supermike | Are there any mirrors that still have etch? I am trying to get my system back to a sane state (installed a bunch of stuff from backports) so I can dist-upgrade |
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| 04:33.09 | sticky | supermike, uhh, dont most? |
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| 04:33.31 | supermike | points at the topic |
| 04:33.39 | sticky | That's screwed up |
| 04:33.46 | supermike | yup. |
| 04:33.48 | sticky | Considering I've been able to get "woody" packages for a while |
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| 04:34.15 | sticky | Which crackhead removed etch from the mirrors? |
| 04:35.27 | sticky | logs into a server in the office that still runs etch |
| 04:35.56 | supermike | or even an announcement would have been nice |
| 04:36.10 | sticky | Guess not, it's seemingly running Lenny |
| 04:36.12 | craigevil | there were several annoucements about etch |
| 04:36.47 | sticky | All I can find about it is that security updates have ceased |
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| 04:38.13 | craigevil | http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100522 |
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| 04:38.57 | supermike | so it was just a poorly titled announcement |
| 04:39.23 | supermike | people generally say something like "End of Life" vs. "Updated!" |
| 04:39.32 | sticky | indeed |
| 04:39.43 | craigevil | it was also on the debian-announce mailinglist http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00005.html |
| 04:40.00 | supermike | ahh, here we go |
| 04:40.01 | supermike | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch |
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| 05:13.30 | reklipz | is it possible to use mplayer without having X11 running? (eg: # invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop) |
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| 05:14.50 | Ikarus | reklipz: sure, why not |
| 05:15.27 | reklipz | Ikarus: I'm trying to start mplayer as such: mplayer -vo vpdau -vc ffh264vdpau -ao alsa:device=hw=0.1 -ac hwdts,hwac3,a52, file.mkv |
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| 05:15.53 | reklipz | but I get this error: vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! -- Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
| 05:16.02 | Ikarus | reklipz: uh, don't use vdpau output when you want to do that |
| 05:16.06 | Ikarus | it requires X11 |
| 05:16.12 | Ikarus | but mplayer itself doesn't |
| 05:16.16 | reklipz | #&@! |
| 05:16.28 | reklipz | so, what output devices don't require X11? |
| 05:17.20 | reklipz | Or, is it possible to startx as uid 1000? |
| 05:17.30 | reklipz | and have mplayer use that screen? |
| 05:18.12 | ourDave | I'm currently using a Mac Powerbook as my pen testing portable system. I'm thinking about switching to a Debian system instead. Any recommendations for non-Apple laptops that are compatible with Debian that have plenty of power as well as a good screen and keyboard? |
| 05:18.20 | Ikarus | reklipz: aa caca fbdev fbdev2 vesa svga probably some others |
| 05:19.03 | reklipz | Ikarus: thank you. Any idea why startx might fail when not root? |
| 05:19.31 | Ikarus | reklipz: not off the top of my head |
| 05:19.57 | reklipz | me either. odd |
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| 05:23.29 | reklipz | weird... |
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| 05:32.26 | sweetpi | I just installed stable via netboot with a very simple preseed.cfg, I didnt get a tasksel screen. would debconf/priority set to critical stop it from running? |
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| 05:45.16 | gnarface | sweetpi: i don't know the answer to your question but i have this vague idea bout debconf priorities being about the threshold at which it will ask for user intervention on any given package's configuration options... so I believe that it's possible to change the threshold anywhere from "don't ask me anything" to "ask me for input about every little trivial default option" |
| 05:46.48 | gnarface | sweetpi: if you're trying to do hands-off automated installs then you would want to opt for the former rather than the latter, but why not just make one good gold image and replicate it directly (via dd or ghost or something like that) rather than doing dozens of individual automated installs that have the same configuration? |
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| 05:49.03 | gnarface | sweetpi: i also didn't read this but maybe it will answer your question? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 05:49.25 | sweetpi | gnarface: not really looking for hands-off, just trying to add the local repo to a netboot |
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| 05:50.50 | sweetpi | gnarface: yes thats the guide i read that said to set to critical. but i cant figure out why it didnt ask for tasks.. unless thats not considered critical |
| 05:50.57 | gnarface | sweetpi: can't you do that manually when asked for a repo? maybe you have to be in expert mode... i dunno it's been a long time since i've installed debian WITHOUT manually typing in the repo url but it's also been a long time since i've installed debian in non-expert mode |
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| 05:52.05 | sweetpi | gnarface: yes you can add it when it asks for mirror country. but i get tired of typing it when testing |
| 05:53.18 | sweetpi | just figured a couple line config file would make me happy :) |
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| 05:54.28 | gnarface | sweetpi: aah. well i'm with you that there should be a simple option for that but i can't say i've ever tried to find one myself, and now i need to go eat dinner because i'm having trouble focusing, sorry. i'm sure someone in here has the answer you're looking for but there were just a ton of net splits in a row so i doubt many people are even paying attention right now |
| 05:55.01 | gnarface | hang out until you see the conversation traffic ramp up and you'll probably have better luck |
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| 05:55.16 | sweetpi | gnarface: ok, thanks |
| 05:56.53 | karlpinc | Is there a handy way to tell iceweasel not to load images? I've some big images on a page and it's running out of ram and crashing my Xserver. |
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| 05:57.41 | sweetpi | karlpinc: Edit > Prefs > Content > Load Images |
| 05:58.35 | karlpinc | sweetpi: *doh!* I looked at that and didn't see the checkbox. |
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| 05:58.45 | sweetpi | karlpinc: you can also leave it on auto and set an exception for that site |
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| 05:59.05 | karlpinc | sweetpi: That makes more sense. Thanks. |
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| 06:30.44 | alcy | folks, for integrating clamav with qmail scanner, is it ok to set the localsocketgroup to qscand as well ? (I *had* to do it for clamav to run), specifically are there any security concerns regarding this ? |
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| 06:37.55 | ex-parrot | hey all, I'm sure this has been answered a million times before, but say I carelessly removed a conffile for a package I previously had installed, and now want to re-install that package AND have it re-install the default conffile, what's the best way to achieve this? other than unpacking it with ar and doing it by hand, preferably 8^) |
| 06:38.11 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 06:38.12 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 06:38.33 | ex-parrot | less than three you, valdyn |
| 06:39.02 | ex-parrot | I've been wondering that for /years/ |
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| 06:39.49 | tapper | that's some nasty CLI to remember |
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| 06:42.15 | nsadmin | tapper: don 't worry too much... you're probably not used to cli |
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| 06:43.27 | nsadmin | that factoid needs updating, as aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
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| 06:44.12 | Trewas | not anymore if recent thread in debian-devel is to be believed |
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| 06:44.36 | craigevil | why bother both commands work |
| 06:48.42 | Trewas | apparently aptitude may fail to install a package with aptitude install <package> and still even remove/install other packages, thanks to its "intelligent" handling of dependencies |
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| 06:50.59 | oliva | hi there is there an etch repository available online somewhere? |
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| 06:52.11 | craigevil | !ado |
| 06:52.12 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 06:52.43 | oliva | thanks :) |
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| 06:54.14 | nsadmin | you should consider upgrading... |
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| 06:58.48 | fireba11 | ah well .. i got a setup here too where security is not an issue and upgrading would be a PITA, so i'll postpone it untill i switch to a new box in half a year anyway |
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| 06:59.40 | alcy | folks, is there a way to tell in which runlevel a particular service was started ? |
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| 07:01.15 | fireba11 | alcy: doesn't having a look where it's supposed to start do? |
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| 07:05.22 | alcy | fireba11: Oh. my bad. I was wondering when the freshclam service (which runlevel) was started, until it struck me that I had configured to depend on the ifup.d method of updating. so, obviously when networking was brought up, so was freshclam. I could be wrong though |
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| 07:37.29 | komodo | hi, is there any option in pppd for setting DNS suffix for windows vpn clients ? can't find anything, only DNS and WINS address |
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| 07:41.54 | passwordoff | When testing becomes frozen? |
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| 07:43.32 | passwordoff | FAQ says: "when it's mature enough". Then how to identify this case? |
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| 07:48.54 | joltcan | passwordoff: partly by looking at bugs/feature requests tracker and see when it seems more stable |
| 07:49.34 | joltcan | passwordoff: Then you freeze and fixes the last stuff needed for packing it up and do lots and lots of installation testing etc |
| 07:50.04 | joltcan | passwordoff: Hard to say really, since "gut feeling" is also included |
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| 07:53.12 | jargon- | i ran alsaconf to set up sound. i get sound from headset but not from speakers. nothing's muted in alsamixer, where i've got Master, PCM and Front Mic. any ideas? |
| 07:53.30 | passwordoff | ok |
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| 07:54.53 | krisfremen | jargon-: if you got sound with headset, but not speakers, then there's something wrong with your speakers |
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| 07:55.49 | sylar | I seem to have both gnupg, and gnupg2 |
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| 07:55.59 | sylar | which one is used then? |
| 07:56.40 | spo0nman | hi , I want to copy around 69gb data across the internet. I can use http. how can i copy it with above of 100 threads? |
| 07:56.55 | jargon- | krisfremen: the speakers work fine with mint,though. |
| 07:56.59 | spo0nman | don't see options in wget to do this |
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| 07:57.21 | sparr | spo0nman: 100 threads is a lot, are the files tiny? |
| 07:57.36 | spo0nman | sparr: yes |
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| 07:57.47 | spo0nman | sparr: there a 6 million tiny files |
| 07:57.48 | sparr | I would recommend having someone at the other end zip them up if you can |
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| 07:58.13 | jargon- | i had this issue on a different system before, but with crunchbang,and i had to add/change a setting to the volume control. can't remember what,for the life of me |
| 07:58.53 | spo0nman | sparr: zipping 70 gigs would take space/time ... can wget spawn multiple threads? |
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| 08:03.10 | sparr | spo0nman: space is an issue, but you obviously have time in abundance. i think curl can do what you want, if wget can't, but even with multiple threads if you have 6M 10kb files you're going to spend over half of the download time on http protocol overhead |
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| 08:03.40 | sparr | if they have 70GB free, it would be faster to have them use tar or zip with no compression to cram it all into a single file for you to download |
| 08:03.53 | spo0nman | sparr: thanks |
| 08:04.11 | spo0nman | sparr: what about tar and nc ? |
| 08:04.21 | mquin | or use a small script server side to generate a tarfile on the fly and spit that out over HTTP |
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| 08:06.06 | joltcan | spo0nman: http://ultra.ap.krakow.pl/~bar/DOC/ssh_backup.html |
| 08:06.30 | spo0nman | joltcan: thanks. |
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| 08:09.43 | sparr | rsync could work too :) |
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| 08:11.56 | Innocentus | hi ho people |
| 08:11.58 | Innocentus | anyone online? :) |
| 08:12.16 | hid3 | yep |
| 08:12.20 | hid3 | Hi |
| 08:12.45 | Innocentus | yea |
| 08:13.00 | Innocentus | hid3: how can I list my own user-previleges? |
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| 08:13.17 | Innocentus | how restricted should an ssh-user be? |
| 08:13.23 | hid3 | user-privileges?? What's this? |
| 08:13.27 | Innocentus | ehm |
| 08:13.35 | Innocentus | I want to restrict an ssh-user |
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| 08:13.49 | hid3 | probably you need a chroot then |
| 08:13.52 | Innocentus | I want to use ssh to do maintenace on a server - due to security reasons I want to restrict the ssh-user |
| 08:13.53 | TZug | hello, since the NIC troubble with my D510mo board is solved and I can use r8168 instead of default r8169 driver to access my network properly, i want to prevent my debian from loading r8169 for my NIC and use r8168 module instead. how can I do that propperly? |
| 08:14.11 | TZug | Debian Lenny 5.03 |
| 08:14.17 | Innocentus | hid3: how many previleges should be ok for standard server-maintenance? |
| 08:14.34 | Innocentus | hid3: or should I have an user with no permissions and only the permission to root? |
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| 08:14.56 | hid3 | Innocentus: well, you can use simple user and apply sudo before a command requiring higher privileges. That might reduce chance to break something |
| 08:15.24 | Innocentus | hid3: how to make an user who is simple? - dumb question, I know - but I am very new to it... |
| 08:15.50 | hid3 | every user apart root is simple |
| 08:15.54 | Innocentus | and there is another thing: when I want to install synaptic-package manager it installs me a touchpad-driver... |
| 08:16.06 | Innocentus | hid3: but what kind of permission-set would be the best in general? |
| 08:16.16 | Innocentus | hid3: because you can make an user more or less to root |
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| 08:17.56 | babilen | Innocentus: "aptitude install synaptic" installs xserver-xorg-input-synaptics? You are doing something wrong :) |
| 08:18.01 | Innocentus | oh |
| 08:18.23 | Innocentus | ok |
| 08:18.26 | babilen | Good Morning btw |
| 08:18.27 | Innocentus | now I understand :) |
| 08:18.34 | Innocentus | good morning ol' frien' |
| 08:19.02 | Innocentus | other question: should I use two different user - one for ssh-tunneling and one for ssh-shell access? |
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| 08:19.09 | krion | hi |
| 08:19.12 | TZug | Debian Lenny is using r8169 for the RTL8111/8168B PCI chip, how can I get it to load r8168 for that chip instead? |
| 08:19.18 | Innocentus | or is one user for both sufficient and using two wouldn't increase security at all? |
| 08:19.22 | babilen | Innocentus: What would be your reasoning behind that? |
| 08:19.30 | Innocentus | increased security (lol) :) ? |
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| 08:20.12 | Innocentus | TZug: woa - the one who answers that must be really good |
| 08:21.02 | Innocentus | TZug: http://www.jamesonwilliams.com/hardy-r8168 |
| 08:21.04 | Innocentus | hehe |
| 08:22.30 | Innocentus | anyone online? :/ |
| 08:22.55 | TZug | Innocentus: thank you very much, i looked for changing hw driver in google and couldn't find a thing |
| 08:23.21 | Innocentus | TZug: LOL - really? that was the first hit after a google search :) |
| 08:23.47 | Innocentus | TZug: I have just copied the last number and pasted it into google search field. and the link to the first hit I have posted you... |
| 08:23.55 | Innocentus | *I have posted |
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| 08:26.02 | ethanol | morning everyone |
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| 08:26.52 | Innocentus | morning |
| 08:27.22 | Innocentus | question: how can I configure sudo correctly? I am using it and then I get the following message: ... is not in the sudoers file - the incident will be reported (lol) |
| 08:28.06 | babilen | TZug: Why do you want to override the module selection? |
| 08:28.14 | babilen | Innocentus: "man sudoers" |
| 08:28.15 | Innocentus | in the sudoers file I have actually the following line: root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 08:28.23 | babilen | Innocentus: Edit that file with "visudo" |
| 08:28.26 | Innocentus | and finally this line: user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 08:28.28 | Innocentus | cool |
| 08:28.30 | Innocentus | visudo |
| 08:28.32 | Innocentus | really |
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| 08:28.38 | babilen | really :) |
| 08:29.26 | Innocentus | babilen: now I want to deny sudo to all users except the user ssh |
| 08:29.44 | Innocentus | babilen: man this looks all so complex why are there brackets? :(ALL) and such stuff? |
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| 08:30.00 | babilen | Innocentus: That is the default policy -- You don't have to deny it specifically for each user |
| 08:30.13 | Arrowmaster | Innocentus: if the user isnt listed then they are denied |
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| 08:30.36 | Innocentus | but what means this?: root ALL=(ALL) ALL and user ALL=(ALL) ALL ? |
| 08:30.53 | Innocentus | all means .. all? |
| 08:30.54 | babilen | Innocentus: Read "man sudoers" -- I don't want to repeat all that here :) |
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| 08:32.24 | babilen | Innocentus: I hope that you understand EBNF though :) |
| 08:32.44 | Arrowmaster | its for run any command on any host as any user |
| 08:32.46 | Innocentus | Erweiterte Backus-Naur-Form |
| 08:32.48 | Innocentus | omg |
| 08:33.50 | Innocentus | ahh now I understand |
| 08:33.52 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 08:34.04 | Arrowmaster | i believe specifically the order of the ALL's is host user command |
| 08:34.28 | babilen | Arrowmaster: exactly |
| 08:34.47 | Innocentus | babilen / Arrowmaster: ok. now another thing - should I use separate users? one user named "ssh" for shell-access with sudo-ability and one user named "ssh-tunnel" for tunneling (sftp / mysql) ? |
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| 08:35.04 | Innocentus | for increased security or is that the wrong way? |
| 08:35.45 | babilen | Innocentus: What do you think would be the advantage of that? |
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| 08:36.28 | Innocentus | babilen: well - if one hacks / acquires the credentials of the tunnel-user he still cannot access the shell / root? |
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| 08:36.53 | babilen | Innocentus: It might have advantages like you could restrict the list of commands executable by the ssh-tunnel user to a minimum for example ... |
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| 08:37.39 | Innocentus | yea |
| 08:37.45 | Innocentus | how to do that? - pls tell me |
| 08:38.26 | babilen | Innocentus: But before you get into optimisations like this make sure that your SSHD is configured securely -- disable root login (IIRC it is disabled by default though), only accept logins with keys and not passwords, create keys with strong passphrases, etc, usw, und so fort |
| 08:38.55 | Innocentus | babilen: it is a vserver... and when I block root-accesses I am locked out, right? |
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| 08:39.03 | babilen | Innocentus: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s5.1 |
| 08:39.17 | joltcan | Not sure what you are trying to acomplish here, but I would suggest using openvpn for the tunnel instead, and then have different auth methods for the overlaying services, such as mysql etc |
| 08:39.34 | babilen | Innocentus: No, you have to make sure that you can login as your user first and *then* acquire root privileges -- with e.g. "sudo -i" or "su" |
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| 08:39.49 | manchot | which debian pkg has the command mail ? |
| 08:39.54 | Innocentus | so openvpn would be better for mysql / sftp than ssh? |
| 08:39.59 | Innocentus | is confused |
| 08:40.05 | babilen | joltcan: Yes, that is a much better architecture |
| 08:40.09 | manchot | I seem to have removed the mail binary accidentally |
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| 08:40.22 | babilen | !tell manchot -about apt-file |
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| 08:40.57 | joltcan | Innocentus: I would separate the transport service from the application, thats it |
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| 08:41.58 | Innocentus | joltcan: so what exactly should I do now? - I thought ssh would be nice because I share the transport for all kind of services |
| 08:42.43 | BeerSerc | Hi there. I have just installed testing from a weekly snapshot, but it seems kind of not working at all, I cannot install anything because of broken dependencies. Is it just a bad time to use testing, or am I doing something wrong? |
| 08:42.56 | joltcan | Innocentus: sure, it's just that it sounded more confusing when you said what you wanted to do, i.e. to have one user for setting up the tunnel, and then using something else over the tunnel |
| 08:43.09 | babilen | Innocentus: Stop configuring your ssh setup, you need that anyway for remote logins -- joltcan just proposed a different setup for your services, but you would have to tell us first what you are trying to achieve |
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| 08:43.18 | manchot | babilen, thank you. it does comes handy. |
| 08:43.20 | joltcan | BeerSerc: No idea, but you could test with installing stable and then upgrading to testing |
| 08:43.29 | babilen | manchot: I thought so :) |
| 08:43.30 | manchot | babilen, does apt-file use regular expressions? |
| 08:44.12 | joltcan | manchot: the basic stuff works, otherwise | grep -E "your regexp" |
| 08:44.30 | llimeht | man apt-file... |
| 08:44.46 | manchot | great. Thank you |
| 08:44.54 | jargon- | something wrong with the mirrors this morning? 3 different mirror in 2 countries give me 0% for ages on `debootstrap` phase of a squeeze netinstall. |
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| 08:45.57 | babilen | jargon-: You are the first to mention that -- Check http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 08:45.58 | manchot | does anyone know a nice script to backup files regularly? incremental backup+copy rotation |
| 08:46.08 | Innocentus | OK - I want to archieve the following: Actually I am accessing ftp and mysql through a secured ssh-tunnel - also the shell is accessed via ssh. Now I want to know if there is a better / more elegant way? |
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| 08:46.34 | themill | manchot: /msg dpkg rsnapshot |
| 08:46.35 | babilen | manchot: Take a look at rsnapshot and rdiff-backup |
| 08:46.50 | manchot | OK. |
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| 08:50.57 | jargon- | babilen: the 3 seem ok and i can ping them fine from this desktop. |
| 08:51.14 | manchot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:51.40 | jargon- | babilen: now it's failing/retrying download of http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz like on the weekend :-| |
| 08:51.43 | babilen | manchot: try it without a leading space |
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| 08:52.05 | manchot | babilen, oops |
| 08:52.09 | manchot | thank you |
| 08:52.14 | babilen | jargon-: That mirror works well here |
| 08:52.36 | themill | jargon-: are sure your network is configured correctly? |
| 08:52.37 | joltcan | jordanm: works fine here too. Maybe you should check your cable, NIC etc? |
| 08:52.38 | themill | +you |
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| 08:52.53 | manchot | babilen, why not rsync? |
| 08:53.16 | babilen | manchot: rsnapshot and rdiff-backup use rsync |
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| 08:53.27 | jargon- | babilen: themill: followed a hunch. it was squid blocking me. i can wget it now. let's see if the retry picks it up |
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| 08:53.57 | BeerSerc | joltcan: so generally, testing should work? |
| 08:54.05 | OrderZero | bangs head against wall repeatedly |
| 08:54.27 | babilen | removes OrderZero's wall |
| 08:54.34 | OrderZero | ! |
| 08:54.37 | joltcan | BeerSerc: I haven't used it in a few weeks due to vacation, so I don't know the current status |
| 08:54.54 | OrderZero | A world without walls <_< |
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| 08:55.01 | BeerSerc | joltcan: OK. thanks |
| 08:55.12 | Siegfried | hello, i try again now with my problem: when i wget invaliddomain.org it seems to resolve to invaliddomain.org.com, but i don't have this problem with host or dig.. resolv.conf only has nameserver 127.0.0.1 : http://pastebin.com/nn4nAwK3 |
| 08:55.12 | joltcan | BeerSerc: Sorry |
| 08:55.19 | BeerSerc | Anybody else in here using testing as it is right now? |
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| 08:56.32 | babilen | BeerSerc: I am |
| 08:57.09 | BeerSerc | babilen: does it work for you? I just installed it from a snapshot, and whatever I want to install, I get messages about broken dependencies etc |
| 08:57.37 | babilen | BeerSerc: It works fine here - where did you get the snapshot from? |
| 08:58.11 | BeerSerc | babilen: some weekly or daily netboot iso from a mirror server |
| 08:58.18 | babilen | BeerSerc: You might want to paste the error to a pastebin -- Please also include output of the commands mentioned in "/msg dpkg bat" |
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| 08:59.11 | babilen | BeerSerc: I typically install stable and upgrade afterwards. The daily/weeklies might be broken |
| 08:59.43 | BeerSerc | babilen: actually, I think I'll try and install that way now |
| 09:00.00 | babilen | Siegfried: Do you see the same bahviour if you use e.g. 4.2.2.4 or 8.8.8.8 as nameserver? |
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| 09:01.16 | babilen | Siegfried: I ask because some nameserver serve a "Page not found, search here" page if you try to resolve a not existing address |
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| 09:03.20 | Siegfried | babilen: yes same problem |
| 09:03.32 | babilen | Siegfried: Let me try that .. |
| 09:03.41 | Siegfried | it happened suddenly yesterday, i did nothing in the server |
| 09:04.28 | babilen | Siegfried: Hmm - no idea and I can't reproduce that behaviour with wget 1.12 |
| 09:04.50 | Siegfried | i have this with curl, php or wget, but not with host or dig |
| 09:05.25 | babilen | Siegfried: Do you have any relation to "99.f6.ead8.static.theplanet.com" ? |
| 09:05.35 | Siegfried | babilen: nope |
| 09:05.42 | jargon- | this is weird,now. i can wget Packages.gz from anywhere on my network,including the 2nd console on the installing system, but the installer is still failing on downloading Packages.gz. |
| 09:07.04 | jargon- | trying a different mirror |
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| 09:10.27 | babilen | Siegfried: Do you use a proxy? |
| 09:10.49 | Siegfried | babilen: no.. |
| 09:11.02 | Siegfried | i thought it could be because of avahi, i purged it, nothing |
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| 09:11.37 | ethanol | ugh. guys I use screen a lot. but page up and page down don't work by default. I'm trying to google for a fix, but the word screen is kinda ambiguous :< |
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| 09:12.14 | babilen | Siegfried: The website looks exactly like one of those "page not found - search here" dns traps ... |
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| 09:12.24 | babilen | ethanol: GNU screen - might be less ambigous |
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| 09:12.57 | llutz | ethanol: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/11/14/faq-how-to-scrollback-in-gnu-screen/ |
| 09:13.34 | ethanol | yeah I know about copy mode |
| 09:13.35 | sylar | I have gpg and gpg2, I think seahorse is using gpg2, I want it to use gpg |
| 09:13.39 | ethanol | but that's kinda sucky |
| 09:13.40 | sylar | how can i do that? |
| 09:14.06 | Siegfried | babilen: yes in fact it's com.org, but it shouldn't resolve to this as my dns doesn't redirect me to it.. |
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| 09:18.00 | BeerSerc | babilen: it's been a while since I did an upgrade stable-> testing, is it still just adjusting sources.list and dist-upgrade or do I have to take care of anything else? |
| 09:18.31 | babilen | !tell BeerSerc -about lenny->squeeze |
| 09:18.32 | ethanol | BeerSerc: what are you running now? |
| 09:19.35 | BeerSerc | ethanol: I will install lenny now, and then upgrade to squeeze, as the weekly build install doesnt work |
| 09:19.39 | cantido | Which of the nvidia driver packages in testing/unstable supports the original ION chipset? I was using the main one until a few weeks ago.. but it's stopped working |
| 09:19.49 | babilen | BeerSerc: Especially the kernel/udev situation is different |
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| 09:20.40 | babilen | BeerSerc: My uplink is flaky - see you later |
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| 09:22.33 | OrderZero | http://pastebin.org/421698 |
| 09:22.37 | OrderZero | Biggest mess ever. |
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| 09:24.23 | Siegfried | babilen in fact it seems to add ".com" to everything, wget cnn grabs cnn.com ... wtf |
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| 09:26.31 | Siegfried | just realized he left :( |
| 09:26.50 | OrderZero | then look at that tangle of a mess up there ^ and help me D: |
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| 09:27.05 | timeout | why won't smbtree show the windows box on the network? |
| 09:27.33 | Siegfried | OrderZero: tried apt-get -f install? |
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| 09:28.27 | OrderZero | http://paste2.org/p/929181 |
| 09:28.30 | OrderZero | apt-get -f install ^ |
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| 09:29.42 | Siegfried | OrderZero: squeeze? |
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| 09:30.24 | OrderZero | Sieg: Lenny |
| 09:30.30 | Siegfried | strange |
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| 09:31.04 | OrderZero | Well it really all trickles down from gconf not being configured |
| 09:31.06 | OrderZero | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 245 |
| 09:31.09 | zipolek | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.14 | OrderZero | Which really how the hell is that supposed to help me |
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| 09:31.59 | Siegfried | dpkg-reconfigure gconf2 ? |
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| 09:32.18 | OrderZero | # dpkg-reconfigure gconf2 |
| 09:32.18 | OrderZero | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: gconf2 is broken or not fully installed |
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| 09:35.08 | fxiny | jordanm: found a solution |
| 09:35.18 | fxiny | jordanm: rsync solution is running in two times . first run : rsync -avz only , this will propagate changes to modified files as usual leaving in "destination" any file unreadeable because of corruption in "origin" . now we have too many unwanted files in destination to remove , we run again in --delete-mode but with a whitelist : rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from=/path/whitelist . this second run will delete only unwante |
| 09:35.51 | Siegfried | i updated my issue here: http://pastebin.com/GYBmNG1r |
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| 09:36.28 | manchot | my /tmp dir has a lot of sess_7l3vedah35kg6l3a4jnek0fm52 files. what are they? |
| 09:36.29 | fxiny | bye , bbl |
| 09:36.30 | manchot | can I delete them? |
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| 09:38.14 | Siegfried | manchot: probably sessions of php, old ones should be deleted automatically if your system is configured properly |
| 09:38.36 | manchot | Siegfried, I am sure if my configuration is proper |
| 09:38.51 | OrderZero | think I have it here going to compile gconf2 from source and see what I got |
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| 09:40.15 | moldovean | OrderZero, try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 09:40.29 | OrderZero | mold: tried it several times |
| 09:41.00 | OrderZero | dpkg: error processing gconf2 (--configure): |
| 09:41.00 | dpkg | orderzero: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:41.00 | OrderZero | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.19 | OrderZero | ohbots <3 |
| 09:41.29 | OrderZero | gotta love'em <.< |
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| 09:48.53 | Achmudas | hello |
| 09:49.44 | Achmudas | could you give me several reasons why use debian insteed ubuntu (ubuntu i am using about 1 year)? |
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| 09:50.34 | rvsjoen | !why debian |
| 09:50.35 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 09:52.08 | moldovean | Achmudas, it's next step for ubuntu users .. |
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| 09:54.21 | alcohol | sorry about that guys. |
| 09:54.45 | Achmudas | i think im going to download it and try debian |
| 09:55.53 | Siegfried | http://pastebin.com/GYBmNG1r anobody who knows what's the problem? .. |
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| 09:57.47 | OrderZero | hm if I compiled gconf from source and whatnot how would I let apt know it's manually installed?... |
| 09:58.04 | OrderZero | Because it wont proceed thinking it's not installed but it is.. |
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| 10:06.35 | OrderZero | grr -.- |
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| 10:08.13 | OrderZero | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 245 |
| 10:08.22 | OrderZero | If I even knew where that script was it would help immensely -.- |
| 10:08.42 | zrin | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda uses about 40% of CPU-Time of one core, while cca. 50% is shown as "wait time"; sda is a SATA hdd connected to a Promise PCI SATA contorller. System is Lenny+bpo with 2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64. Is this "normal"? |
| 10:09.18 | zrin | iostat shows about 100 MB/s throughput to sda |
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| 10:11.28 | OrderZero | /var/lib/dpkg/info was what I was looking for btw |
| 10:12.44 | OrderZero | now to just find out what the fsck error 245 'means'... |
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| 10:15.48 | OrderZero | Wew |
| 10:15.50 | OrderZero | all fixed <3 |
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| 10:16.24 | OrderZero | rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst; dpkg --configure -a; apt-get -f install |
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| 10:18.05 | BeerSerc | OK thanks to everybody, installing stable and upgrading to testing worked. |
| 10:18.26 | BeerSerc | Is there a debian way to get k10temp in testing? |
| 10:19.55 | moldovean | k10temp ? |
| 10:20.03 | BeerSerc | k10 temperature sensor driver |
| 10:20.24 | BeerSerc | but I notice, that might not be compatible with opteron 6100 systems |
| 10:20.58 | cantido | zrin: atop or similar might help.. iirc it shows what the cpu is actually waiting on |
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| 10:22.49 | leszek | hi |
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| 10:23.34 | leszek | how to enable rw on a live media when booting from a live debian system ? Which live-initramfs script need I change to mount the /live/image rw on my live usb stick ? |
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| 10:24.30 | moldovean | leszek, try #debian-live |
| 10:24.35 | leszek | k |
| 10:24.55 | leszek | moldovean: there is no channel #debian-live :P |
| 10:25.26 | moldovean | on irc.oftc.net , sry |
| 10:25.32 | leszek | ah ok |
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| 10:26.49 | cantoma | guys, how to play a audio cd in linux .. what programs are available ?? right now I just have wmaker and nothing is installed |
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| 10:27.25 | cantido | cantoma: xmms has a cd plugin iirc, vlc can play them too iirc |
| 10:27.34 | leszek | cantoma: audacious, vlc, mplayer, xine |
| 10:27.38 | leszek | :P |
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| 10:28.04 | cantoma | leszek, so gmaplayer shows VCD and DVD |
| 10:28.15 | cantoma | leszek, none of them play it |
| 10:28.20 | leszek | there is wmcdplay also for wmaker |
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| 10:28.39 | leszek | cantoma: DVDs ? |
| 10:28.47 | cantoma | leszek, audio CD |
| 10:29.32 | cantido | cdroms don't have a play button anymore do they? |
| 10:29.40 | leszek | ah hmm... audacious plays them fine gmplayer also plays them with gmplayer cdda:// |
| 10:29.57 | moldovean | !audio cd |
| 10:29.58 | dpkg | 0. run the cable from the CD-ROM to the sound card 1. 'chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc' or whatever your device is (only for IDE) 2. adduser username cdrom 3. don't forget to log out and relogin |
| 10:30.22 | cantoma | leszek, well wmcdplay shows the tracks but play bottom doesn't do anything |
| 10:30.23 | cantido | or use a player that rips the CDDA audio on the fly.. |
| 10:30.39 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
| 10:30.43 | cantoma | moldovean, that could be it |
| 10:30.48 | moldovean | grip |
| 10:31.29 | cantoma | moldovean, should it be chgrp cdrom /dev/cdrom ??? |
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| 10:32.36 | cantoma | moldovean, The user `cantoma' is already a member of `cdrom'. |
| 10:32.40 | moldovean | run id see 24(cdrom) |
| 10:32.46 | foetus | what is the correct 'autosendcmd' for irssi? (a little bit offtopic,maybe) |
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| 10:34.40 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.17 | foetus | i join it. |
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| 10:37.01 | cantoma | leszek, gmplayer cdda:// works fine |
| 10:38.00 | leszek | :) |
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| 10:38.14 | cantoma | leszek, i wonder why wmcdplay doesn't play anything |
| 10:38.43 | roe | I have an mdadm array of 4x320s, one of my disks just died so I ordered 2x500s. At the moment I am going t use a 320GB partition on each of them and add them to the existing array (one as a hot spare). Next time one of my 320s die, and I get two more 500s, I am going to want to 'grow' my array. My question is, is there anything I can do to the 500s now that will not require me to copy all of the data off the array, r |
| 10:38.44 | roe | eformat the 500s, create the array then copy all the data back? |
| 10:38.53 | leszek | cantoma: don't know |
| 10:39.05 | cantoma | leszek, is able to eject the cd and shows the tracks |
| 10:39.19 | cantoma | leszek, but when i click on play bottom nothing happens |
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| 10:43.22 | leszek | cantoma: very strange |
| 10:44.00 | K0JIbKA | !ocr |
| 10:44.01 | dpkg | ocr is probably (Optical Character Recognition) This is the technology that allows computers to "read" the text from physical objects. It requires a graphical representation of text to interpret. This usually comes from a scanned image. see http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html |
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| 10:47.32 | gnarface | anyone here ever mess with a Yagi antenna? |
| 10:48.08 | the-dude | gnarface: yeah but it is rather off topic |
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| 10:48.50 | gnarface | i meant for extending wifi network access over a distance of say, 3-5 miles |
| 10:48.58 | gnarface | (from a debian box) |
| 10:49.33 | gnarface | not like for UHF |
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| 10:50.27 | the-dude | gnarface: anything between the end points? |
| 10:50.54 | cantido | gnarface: I have a cheap yagi.. I don't think it would go 3miles to be honest |
| 10:51.03 | dutchfish | hi, where can i read up about the status of libdnla, fuppes and ushare, it is in on the wnpp and noted as as itp, however all activity seams to have being stopped since ~ March 2010. Any info more then welcome, thanks. |
| 10:51.08 | gnarface | the-dude: a fuckload of empty space, pretty much all farmland |
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| 10:51.55 | the-dude | gnarface: if nothing is between it, you good try it with good quality yagi antenna's with a lot of gain, but I doubt it will be stable |
| 10:52.02 | gnarface | cantido: i'd heard rumors that people have managed to get up to 11 miles with household items (pringles cans??) and careful directional alignment |
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| 10:53.11 | the-dude | gnarface: buy 2 can's and try it ;) |
| 10:53.21 | GorillaPatch | Well gnarface that could be but the alignment is crucial |
| 10:53.47 | cantido | gnarface: USB dongles inside of cans works.. but its not something I would use for anything serious ;) |
| 10:53.48 | GorillaPatch | Also for radiowaves a clear line of sight is not sufficient |
| 10:54.14 | GorillaPatch | The first fresnel zone has to be clear of obstacles, too |
| 10:54.19 | the-dude | gnarface: how are you going to power it ? |
| 10:54.32 | gnarface | the-dude: hadn't considered that. |
| 10:55.27 | GorillaPatch | I would ask Apple about the right antenna. |
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| 10:57.45 | gnarface | thanks for the feedback guys |
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| 10:58.01 | gnarface | maybe i should consider lasers instead |
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| 10:58.10 | GorillaPatch | Hmm |
| 10:58.12 | the-dude | gnarface: or ethernet over power? |
| 10:58.26 | GorillaPatch | If it rains the laser link is gone |
| 10:58.33 | andrew1618 | how does one apply security updates in debian? |
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| 10:58.58 | gnarface | the-dude: i thought ethernet over power was only good up till you hit the transformer on your powerline outside; ie in-house only? |
| 10:59.12 | cahoot | andrew1618: preferrably via aptitude |
| 10:59.18 | the-dude | gnarface: dunno never used it, it was a suggestion |
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| 10:59.33 | gnarface | i know from first hand lasers suck in the rain |
| 10:59.48 | the-dude | gnarface: perhaps build repeaters on every mile or so ? |
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| 11:01.02 | gnarface | the-dude: an ideal solution if there wasn't 3 miles of hostile, bandit-infested wasteland between the target and the nearest non-satellite network uplink |
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| 11:01.50 | andrew1618 | cahoot: im guessing there are more than two updates available? |
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| 11:02.09 | cahoot | andrew1618: you run lenny? |
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| 11:02.26 | thewanderer1 | If I get a READ event on a socket, but read() returns 0 bytes, does it mean that it's EOF? |
| 11:02.43 | thewanderer1 | (non-blocking) |
| 11:02.44 | dutchfish | gnarface: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://home.iitk.ac.in/~chebrolu/docs/2006-dgp-meas.pdf |
| 11:03.06 | gnarface | dutchfish: thanks |
| 11:03.31 | andrew1618 | cahoot: yes |
| 11:04.16 | cahoot | andrew1618: two updates - counting from when? |
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| 11:06.55 | andrew1618 | cahoot a while |
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| 11:07.21 | smv | anyone using lxc? |
| 11:07.45 | cahoot | andrew1618: and you have deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main in your sources.list? |
| 11:07.51 | babilen | thewanderer1: May I suggest ##c? |
| 11:07.58 | andrew1618 | is there a tool for getting the fastest package sources for deb? |
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| 11:08.28 | babilen | andrew1618: apt-spy (i.a.) |
| 11:08.51 | babilen | andrew1618: Or netselect-apt |
| 11:08.52 | andrew1618 | cahoot: yup :) |
| 11:08.57 | manchot | for a debian server, I am not sure whether to choose 32bit version or AMD version. |
| 11:09.00 | thewanderer1 | babilen: ok |
| 11:09.01 | manchot | which one is faster? |
| 11:09.16 | andrew1618 | sixtywhore bit |
| 11:09.23 | BlackFate | manchot, depends on your cpu and memory |
| 11:09.25 | cahoot | andrew1618: ok I just checked - only one update (libpng) since circa 2 weeks |
| 11:09.39 | andrew1618 | cahoot, good to know debian isnt like swiss cheese then |
| 11:09.44 | manchot | BlackFate, mem is 512M, |
| 11:09.57 | cahoot | andrew1618: you don't like cheese? |
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| 11:10.00 | babilen | manchot: Read https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Amd64#AMD64 |
| 11:10.11 | cantido | manchot: if you can run AMD64 do it .. if you only have 512MB of memory chances are your machine isnt 64bit |
| 11:10.21 | andrew1618 | cahoot, only on biscuits |
| 11:10.35 | abrotman | manchot: what will the system be doing ? |
| 11:10.48 | manchot | abrotman, www, postfix, ssh |
| 11:10.54 | manchot | mysql |
| 11:10.56 | manchot | that's it. |
| 11:11.03 | abrotman | you'll be fine with 32bit |
| 11:11.12 | manchot | the server: 512M, CPU is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5520 @ 2.27GHz |
| 11:11.15 | abrotman | obviously with 512MB you're not dealing with huge databases |
| 11:11.24 | manchot | abrotman, yes. |
| 11:11.34 | the-dude | gnarface: http://www.unwiredadventures.com/unwire/2005/12/defcon_wifi_sho.html :) |
| 11:11.44 | cantido | would have thought double the registers would help.. ;) |
| 11:12.24 | manchot | how much more mem will a AMD64 take compared to 32bit? |
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| 11:12.43 | cantido | manchot: that chip is 64bit capable |
| 11:12.51 | manchot | I guess 64Bit will use the cpu more efficiently with 4 cores? |
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| 11:13.06 | abrotman | manchot: but you'll use more RAM, i'd go with i386 |
| 11:13.07 | cantido | manchot: 32bit is 4GB of address space total .. most 64bit machines can address a few TB I think |
| 11:13.09 | manchot | cantido, then 64bit programs will run faster? |
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| 11:13.24 | abrotman | not really |
| 11:13.32 | abrotman | like 0.06525% faster |
| 11:13.47 | manchot | Oh, I see. |
| 11:13.53 | abrotman | and with the extra RAM you'll use, you'll hit swap faster, which will then slow the machine down |
| 11:13.58 | cantido | manchot: depends on the application. Some apps will benefit from the fact that in long mode you have longer registers and twice as many |
| 11:14.01 | thewanderer1 | but with amd64 you avoid trouble with big numbers if you use PHP, for instance |
| 11:14.14 | cantido | abrotman: you mean because pointers are 64bit not 32bit? |
| 11:14.24 | abrotman | minor amount, but more |
| 11:14.37 | manchot | abrotman, do you know how much more mem 64bit takes when compared to 32bit (same web apps) |
| 11:15.21 | thewanderer1 | manchot: anything up to 5% should be possible, but not more I think |
| 11:15.21 | abrotman | manchot: if you don't have a good reason, use i386 |
| 11:16.17 | thewanderer1 | amd64 debs are compiled in a different way though - they receive other optimizations than i386 |
| 11:16.41 | manchot | I see. |
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| 11:16.53 | cantido | thewanderer1: the most important things i.e. libc has 686 packages |
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| 11:17.17 | manchot | right now my only complaint against i386 is that it gives errors when I run an iptables script. |
| 11:17.32 | manchot | the system is a VPS (32bit now) running on a 64bit Host |
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| 11:17.49 | cantido | manchot: I'm not sure why that would be an issue :/ |
| 11:17.51 | manchot | maybe because Xen is on 64bit, the instance/vps should be 64bit? |
| 11:18.06 | thewanderer1 | manchot: there are no valid reasons for running 32-bit guest on a 64-bit host, unless you need compatibility |
| 11:18.17 | thewanderer1 | but I think that ia32 emulation introduces overhead |
| 11:18.36 | BlackFate | manchot, problably its openvz vps... |
| 11:18.38 | cantido | is pretty sure 32bit code runs just fine in long mode.. |
| 11:18.51 | thewanderer1 | it does, but requires emulation |
| 11:19.01 | thewanderer1 | (there's a kernel option for that) |
| 11:19.28 | manchot | BlackFate, it says Xen vps. it runs 2.6.18-164.15.1.el5xen |
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| 11:19.43 | jacekowski | thewanderer1: there is no emulation of ia32 |
| 11:19.53 | manchot | cantido, 32bit vhost on a 64bit host |
| 11:19.54 | jacekowski | thewanderer1: only cpu that emulates 32bit is itanium |
| 11:20.03 | cantido | thewanderer1: it's like one bit toggle isn't it? |
| 11:20.36 | cantido | was under the impression that 32bit code runs without any changes though |
| 11:20.45 | jacekowski | yes it does |
| 11:20.57 | thewanderer1 | cantido, if you disable 32-bit in the kernel, then it does not... |
| 11:21.20 | jacekowski | thewanderer1: xen will still support 32bit guest |
| 11:21.21 | thewanderer1 | CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION |
| 11:21.24 | abrotman | i don't think he meant 32bit on 64bit kernel, i think he meant 32bit OS on 64bit hardware ? |
| 11:21.25 | thewanderer1 | yes, I think |
| 11:21.26 | cantido | thewanderer1: the processor can run 32bit code in 64mode from everything I've seen |
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| 11:21.34 | Innocentus | hi |
| 11:21.41 | manchot | thewanderer1, so I should use 64 vhost on a 64bit Xen sever? |
| 11:21.42 | Innocentus | I am back. Aynone online? :) |
| 11:21.51 | Innocentus | 128bit ;) |
| 11:21.52 | jacekowski | manchot: do whatever you like |
| 11:22.03 | thewanderer1 | manchot: it's up to you. you should see no difference, really. |
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| 11:22.11 | manchot | abrotman, I am not sure if the host OS is 64 or 32. |
| 11:22.13 | cantido | thewanderer1: that's for loading 32bit binaries isn't it though? |
| 11:22.26 | thewanderer1 | cantido: yes, for ELF... |
| 11:22.28 | manchot | abrotman, I guess it should be 64 |
| 11:22.38 | abrotman | manchot: as i said, if oyu don't have a good reason, i'd use 32bit |
| 11:22.59 | cantido | thewanderer1: but the processor isn't actually doing any "emulation".. it's not like 16bit code |
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| 11:23.34 | thewanderer1 | cantido: okay, point taken |
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| 11:24.06 | Innocentus | I haved added a new user with adduser - but I cannot login with this user via ssh |
| 11:24.28 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: haven't you setup AllowedUsers in sshd_config yesterday? |
| 11:24.37 | Innocentus | yes |
| 11:24.41 | thewanderer1 | I think I've seen you do that :P |
| 11:24.49 | wrksx | is there any way to change the location where a symlink is pointing without removing it ? |
| 11:24.57 | thewanderer1 | then you need to add that user to the allowed list, y'know |
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| 11:25.13 | abrotman | you don't need to use the AllowedUsers unless you're trying to restrict it to certain users |
| 11:25.23 | Innocentus | I wanna restrict it |
| 11:25.31 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: restart ssh. |
| 11:25.38 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: no, unless you are a filesystem hacker |
| 11:25.43 | llutz | but I cannot login with this user via ssh... <- restriction works |
| 11:25.47 | Innocentus | UsePAM yes |
| 11:25.48 | manchot | about Xen VPS, do I need to enable firewall rules or as long the host is firewalled, I am fine? |
| 11:25.49 | Innocentus | eh |
| 11:25.57 | wrksx | thewanderer1, Iam not |
| 11:26.00 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: wait - what is with root - I still need it :/ |
| 11:26.18 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: PAM only authenticates users, but SSH simply won't even try PAM if the user is not on Allowed list |
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| 11:26.29 | cantido | manchot: is the host filtering the packets it passes to your guest? |
| 11:26.32 | abrotman | manchot: probably depends how you have the networking setup, i wouldn't guarantee it ... |
| 11:26.54 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: learned something - thx |
| 11:26.56 | manchot | cantido, no. |
| 11:27.01 | thewanderer1 | perhaps the guest kernel doesn't have netfilter... :P |
| 11:27.02 | babilen | Innocentus: You typically connect with a "normal" user account and gain root privileges when you need them. (hence the "disable root login" suggestion earlier/in the securing debian manual) |
| 11:27.11 | cantido | manchot: most likely it's a bridge-type setup and all the packets directed at your guest will be pushed to your guest |
| 11:27.18 | Innocentus | yes - but I need to be careful as beginner - otherwise I am locked out |
| 11:27.29 | thewanderer1 | that's how we all learn |
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| 11:27.40 | manchot | the question is: if I only have services on 80, 22 etc, do I need to use iptables to block all other ports? |
| 11:27.52 | manchot | other ports are not running services anyway |
| 11:28.05 | cantido | manchot: if you don't have anything listening you don't really need a firewall |
| 11:28.11 | nameless` | manchot: not really |
| 11:28.29 | nameless` | manchot: but in case you are infected by some worm or anything, it is better |
| 11:28.57 | manchot | I see |
| 11:29.15 | BlackFate | manchot, best thing to do is set default policy to DROP and only allow the ports you want |
| 11:29.34 | manchot | BlackFate, sounds like you are using a VPS too? |
| 11:30.49 | BlackFate | manchot, yes.. bot xen and openvz |
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| 11:30.49 | BlackFate | both |
| 11:30.49 | thewanderer1 | manchot: if you want to be "secure", then you would have to restrict outgoing traffic, too (NOT viable on a server!), so keep in mind that a firewall won't stop anyone when they are already have a rootkit on your machine. |
| 11:30.49 | manchot | BlackFate, self-owned or rented? |
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| 11:30.49 | BlackFate | manchot, rented... |
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| 11:31.16 | manchot | thewanderer1, I really don't know how to restrict outgoing traffic, for example on a desktop |
| 11:31.34 | nameless` | manchot: then use a simpler firewall |
| 11:31.37 | nameless` | manchot: like ufw |
| 11:31.43 | nameless` | manchot: (uncomplicated firewall) |
| 11:31.47 | thewanderer1 | iptables, but once you have malicious code running, nothing can save you |
| 11:31.53 | nameless` | manchot: it is based on iptables though |
| 11:31.56 | manchot | BlackFate, can you tell me your providers? I am looking for a new place |
| 11:32.08 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: strange - I can also use the ssh-tunnel even without putting the username into AllowUsers |
| 11:32.13 | nameless` | thewanderer1: restricting the access prevent you from running malicious code |
| 11:32.18 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: is that intended? - how can I restrict also here? |
| 11:32.38 | nameless` | thewanderer1: i mean, it's the minimum to do |
| 11:32.38 | Night_Elf | manchot: when you say restrict outgoing traffic, does that mean trafic shape, or selective on the 'kind of' traffic ? |
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| 11:33.03 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: I don't think it's possible to authenticate any users if they are not on AllowUsers list... |
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| 11:34.43 | thewanderer1 | and it does not seem like intended behaviour |
| 11:34.45 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: and why can I login with sftp |
| 11:34.52 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: ah yes, I think I know why |
| 11:35.30 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: Bad configuration option: AllowUsesr |
| 11:35.31 | Innocentus | why |
| 11:35.36 | thewanderer1 | hehe :P |
| 11:35.37 | manchot | Night_Elf, not sure if I understood you. maybe restricting a music player from connecting to the web? |
| 11:35.46 | thewanderer1 | there's nothing like config typos |
| 11:36.30 | andrew1618 | so im getting an error message when trying to install an nvidia driver: "compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match the current compiler. the kernel module loader rejects modules built with a diff vers of gcc |
| 11:36.34 | andrew1618 | any ideas? |
| 11:36.39 | thewanderer1 | manchot: it's difficult to apply network restrictions on individual applications. SELinux does that, and there are huge volumes of books on it. |
| 11:37.04 | Night_Elf | manchot: ah ok. so it's "kind of" traffic. you'd have to know basically what ports do the various applications use, and then check to block them with iptables or any firewall of choice. |
| 11:37.05 | thewanderer1 | andrew1618: yes, you need to install a compiler that's been used to build your kernel... |
| 11:37.26 | derik | is a pachet ispconfig for debian ? |
| 11:37.42 | andrew1618 | thewanderer1: argh |
| 11:37.44 | manchot | thewanderer1, windows firewalls seems to be able to do that easily. I know for iptables it's complicated |
| 11:37.52 | abrotman | derik: i told you last night, use dtc, ispconfig is not packaged |
| 11:38.18 | cantido | derik: ispconfig doesn't have debian packages but it will install and pull in the packages it needs via apt |
| 11:38.20 | manchot | Night_Elf, it would be nice if the apps can be blocked from accessing the web, not the ports or IPs |
| 11:38.27 | thewanderer1 | andrew1618: module-assistant prepare |
| 11:38.27 | Innocentus | I have added AllowUsers and restarted sshd |
| 11:38.33 | Innocentus | but now I cannot login anymore |
| 11:38.34 | derik | where i find dtc package |
| 11:38.35 | Innocentus | ahhh |
| 11:38.42 | Innocentus | no root and no ssh-user |
| 11:38.53 | Night_Elf | manchot: no. iptables is basically this: iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport <destination-PORTNR> -j DROP |
| 11:39.04 | cantido | manchot: have a look a firehol |
| 11:39.17 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: you need to help me |
| 11:39.22 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: what to do now? |
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| 11:39.41 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: well, find out why you locked yourself out and didn't leave an open SSH connection |
| 11:39.59 | manchot | nameless`, thank you. booked marked ufw for laters |
| 11:40.08 | nameless` | manchot you're welcome |
| 11:40.16 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: right |
| 11:40.25 | thewanderer1 | iptables nor ufw don't do application-level control |
| 11:40.33 | Night_Elf | manchot: and I strongly recomend you spend like 3 days reading about iptables, and you will find yourself doing some weird magic stuff for the next 3 years, as your abilities will eventually grow with iptables usage :) |
| 11:40.37 | thewanderer1 | one needs in-kernel hooks for that, or ptrace() |
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| 11:40.51 | nameless` | thewanderer1: or DPI :) |
| 11:40.58 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: no |
| 11:41.07 | manchot | Night_Elf, I agree. |
| 11:41.09 | cantido | Night_Elf: or just use a script and spend 3 days on something else.. |
| 11:41.17 | nameless` | thewanderer1: well, with DPI you can block application level packet |
| 11:41.35 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: no, I don't mean Layer 7, I mean denying applications at the OS level |
| 11:41.37 | manchot | Night_Elf, cantido haha. actually I am using arno's iptables firewall. |
| 11:41.49 | nameless` | thewanderer1: ah ok :) |
| 11:41.52 | Night_Elf | cantido: i don't agree. Those 3 days are well worth the investment for the future. I speak of experience on myself. |
| 11:41.57 | cantido | nameless`: until that application starts to encrypt it's protocol |
| 11:41.58 | manchot | but i always wanted to learn iptables - like my dream of travelling around the world one day |
| 11:42.11 | thewanderer1 | to do what Windows Firewall does, we have SELinux and ptrace() |
| 11:42.16 | thewanderer1 | and nothing more, I'm afraid... |
| 11:42.18 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: OK - I was able to launch the rescue system |
| 11:43.08 | D-Boy | Hi, i have a diskless laptop, i'm wondering if is it possible to install debian on this laptop on a mounted nfs partition, the laptop can do PXE boot |
| 11:43.23 | manchot | Night_Elf, http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/joomla/ this seems to be a very decent firewall |
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| 11:44.15 | manchot | thewanderer1, SELinux is way too complicated to bother -- for me. and iptables should be surffice for my use ;-) |
| 11:44.25 | Night_Elf | manchot: I will have a look at that, thanks :) |
| 11:44.39 | cantido | SElinux and iptables being totally different things... |
| 11:44.43 | cantido | :/ |
| 11:44.48 | babilen | suggests using "ipf" -- the better iptables ;) |
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| 11:45.02 | Innocentus | thewanderer |
| 11:45.06 | thewanderer1 | D-Boy: get Debian Live, copy onto a pendrive, boot from there and use debootstrap to install into a dir |
| 11:45.10 | Night_Elf | babilen: That stuff from BSD universe ? |
| 11:45.18 | babilen | Night_Elf: exactly |
| 11:45.20 | Innocentus | I am now in the rescure-system. How can I access now the sshd_conf? |
| 11:45.38 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: well, it should be in /etc on the target filesystem, right? |
| 11:45.39 | babilen | Night_Elf: And supported on Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 11:45.57 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: yes, but because I am in rescue mode I cannot access it |
| 11:46.01 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: do I need to mount it? |
| 11:46.03 | Night_Elf | babilen: yea I hear that. Will be cool to see that and bsd jails as well in debian :D |
| 11:46.14 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: yeah. |
| 11:46.19 | cantido | Night_Elf: look into lxc |
| 11:46.28 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: and how to mount it? - what do I need to do? pls help |
| 11:46.35 | andrew1618 | is there an easy way to install fresh nvidia drivers? |
| 11:46.37 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: this is the first time i am doing such a thing |
| 11:46.40 | thewanderer1 | Night_Elf: that's what OpenVZ does |
| 11:46.53 | D-Boy | thewanderer1 : i have a tftp server (well now with ubuntu, i'll add debian too) this will do the trick ? install into a dir <== can this be a shared partition from another machine ? |
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| 11:47.08 | io41 | Hi Maintainers. Is it possible to set a debconf default value dynamically in the debian/config script or must it be hard-coded via the debian/templates file? |
| 11:47.10 | thewanderer1 | D-Boy: man debootstrap |
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| 11:47.22 | manchot | cantido, firehol is for desktop? its latest release is 2008 |
| 11:47.25 | Innocentus | how can I list all harddrives? |
| 11:47.29 | Innocentus | which I can mount to? |
| 11:47.32 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:47.44 | thewanderer1 | and you mount partitions to directories, not the other way round |
| 11:48.00 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: so I need to create a new directory as mountpoint before? |
| 11:48.06 | cantido | manchot: firehol is an iptable script |
| 11:48.07 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: yes |
| 11:48.12 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: where can I create it on a rescue system? |
| 11:48.14 | D-Boy | thewanderer1 : thx |
| 11:48.42 | cantido | manchot: basically list the services you want and firehol will insert the correct rules, it handles stuff like ftp too |
| 11:48.46 | thewanderer1 | D-Boy: remember to install udev and some kernel afterwards, and prepare it for PXE booting if you want that :P |
| 11:48.56 | manchot | cantido, I see. thank you |
| 11:48.59 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: somewhere like /mnt/target |
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| 11:49.18 | Innocentus | mount -a? |
| 11:49.26 | nameless` | Innocentus: just create a random directory and mount your partition on that |
| 11:49.29 | cantido | manchot: if you just want "allow www, ftp, ssh and drop everything else" it's pretty good :) |
| 11:49.43 | manchot | I see. |
| 11:49.48 | nameless` | Innocentus: mkdir /mnt/mounted && mount /dev/xxx /mnt/mounted |
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| 11:50.06 | nameless` | Innocentus: you can use fdisk -l to figure out the name of your device |
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| 11:51.17 | D-Boy | thewanderer1 : well, i'm a debian newbie : starting right now this new process ^^ |
| 11:51.30 | Innocentus | nameless`: how can I determine the filesystem of it? |
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| 11:52.04 | nameless` | Innocentus: fdisk -l |
| 11:52.13 | Innocentus | Disk /dev/sda1 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 11:52.18 | Innocentus | Disk /dev/sda2 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 11:52.20 | Innocentus | what means that? |
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| 11:52.41 | cantido | Innocentus: sda1 shouldnt have a partition table |
| 11:52.54 | Innocentus | but how can I now mount the primary system harddisc? |
| 11:52.55 | cantido | Innocentus: sda will have the partition table that defines sda1 |
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| 11:53.16 | Innocentus | ok - I only want to mount the system harddrive and then I want to change some damn ssh-setting |
| 11:53.17 | nameless` | Innocentus: look at the beginning |
| 11:53.26 | Innocentus | mkdir /mnt/mounted && mount /dev/xxx /mnt/mounted |
| 11:53.33 | nameless` | Innocentus: a table with device, boot , etc. and System |
| 11:53.42 | nameless` | Innocentus: no, at the beginning of the output of fdisk -l |
| 11:54.05 | nameless` | Innocentus: paste the output of your command on any pastebin website |
| 11:54.16 | cantido | Innocentus: try to mount sda1, if that don't work try mounting sda2 |
| 11:54.41 | Innocentus | http://pastebin.com/0hTwpn0w |
| 11:54.59 | cantido | Innocentus: did you setup LVM? |
| 11:55.06 | Innocentus | what is that |
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| 11:55.25 | cantido | Innocentus: I'm betting sda2 is your root fs |
| 11:55.32 | cantido | Innocentus: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt |
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| 11:55.42 | Innocentus | hooray |
| 11:56.13 | Innocentus | what kind of editor is available on the rescue-system? |
| 11:56.20 | cantido | Innocentus: nano I there I think |
| 11:56.23 | cantido | Innocentus: vi should be |
| 11:56.26 | alcohol | my server is being dodgy about firmware. http://paste.debian.net/81529/ what should I do, and what is the file I found? |
| 11:56.35 | Innocentus | thank you friends |
| 11:56.38 | Innocentus | you helped me very much |
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| 11:56.53 | abrotman | alcohol: have you installed firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 11:56.59 | Innocentus | ok - now I have changed the setting |
| 11:57.08 | Innocentus | how can I restart the server without rescue - in normal mode? |
| 11:57.10 | yareckon | hi guys, I'm using a dhcpd server to hand out ips at my house |
| 11:57.13 | Innocentus | is a rebot sufficient? |
| 11:57.14 | alcohol | abrotman: nope, should I? |
| 11:57.19 | abrotman | alcohol: which version of debian ? |
| 11:57.24 | alcohol | abrotman: lenny |
| 11:57.28 | abrotman | moment |
| 11:57.32 | yareckon | I have a laptop that sometimes uses a hardware wireless dongle and sometimes uses a built in network card |
| 11:58.09 | yareckon | I always want the same address for it, but when I define a host than dhcpd complains that hardware ethernet is already defined for this host if I include more than one network line |
| 11:58.38 | thewanderer1 | yareckon: it's meant to be this way, one address per one network interface. |
| 11:58.39 | cantido | yareckon: I think the dhcp client can send a hostname and you can use that to decide the ip |
| 11:58.47 | yareckon | how do folks do this, define host laptop1 and host laptop2? |
| 11:59.23 | yareckon | hmmm.... cantido, sounds interesting... is that from the local machines config somewhere? |
| 11:59.23 | thewanderer1 | yareckon: you can tell the laptop to send a dhcp client ID, and you identify the client by the ID not the macaddr |
| 11:59.56 | Innocentus | OK - I have got a question: How can I unmount the drive? |
| 12:00.04 | alcohol | abrotman: slight amendment http://paste.debian.net/81532/ |
| 12:00.04 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: umount /mnt/mountpoint |
| 12:00.08 | Innocentus | when I try umount /mnt I get: umount: /mnt: device is busy |
| 12:00.13 | alcohol | abrotman: but those other files don't seem relevant |
| 12:00.22 | yareckon | cantido, would that be in in /etc/hostname? |
| 12:00.23 | andrew1618 | where does lynx save downloaded files to? |
| 12:00.23 | nameless` | Innocentus: leave the directory |
| 12:00.25 | Innocentus | ok |
| 12:00.34 | Innocentus | how dumb from me :) |
| 12:00.37 | thewanderer1 | andrew1618: home directory, I think :P |
| 12:00.45 | cantido | yareckon: you will need to look at the docs, I just remember seeing something like that |
| 12:00.47 | alcohol | andrew1618: current dir? |
| 12:00.50 | alcohol | andrew1618: or home |
| 12:00.55 | yareckon | ok, thanks guys |
| 12:01.18 | Innocentus | thank you all |
| 12:01.21 | Innocentus | you helped me very much |
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| 12:02.44 | andrew1618 | not home |
| 12:02.47 | andrew1618 | not currrent dir |
| 12:02.51 | andrew1618 | my current dir was home |
| 12:02.59 | alcohol | andrew1618: then it probably did not save it |
| 12:03.03 | alcohol | andrew1618: locate? |
| 12:03.08 | abrotman | /tmp/ ? |
| 12:03.23 | abrotman | alcohol: i don't see that firmware in lenny, not sure what the deal is |
| 12:03.25 | Innocentus | PermitRootLogin yes |
| 12:03.36 | Innocentus | AllowUsers ssh |
| 12:03.44 | Innocentus | after that I cannot login as root anymore |
| 12:03.46 | alcohol | abrotman: well the machine itself is a rather old ibm. maybe it's not supported? |
| 12:03.51 | Innocentus | and also not as user ssh - why? |
| 12:04.23 | cantido | Innocentus: have you looked at /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 12:04.34 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: perhaps add root to allowed users... |
| 12:04.37 | nameless` | Innocentus: because you didn't allowuser root |
| 12:04.38 | cantido | Innocentus: It will tell you why it have refused it |
| 12:04.49 | nameless` | Innocentus: AllowUsers is a list of Allowed Users |
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| 12:05.01 | cantido | he did say *and* "ssh" |
| 12:05.27 | abrotman | alcohol: no, the tg3 should be supported .. are you saying the NIC doesn't work at all ? |
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| 12:05.34 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: does "ssh" user exist and does he have a valid shell? |
| 12:05.53 | nameless` | Innocentus: AllowUsers user1, user2, user3 |
| 12:06.02 | nameless` | Innocentus: for instance AllowUsers root, Innocentus, dad, mum |
| 12:06.07 | alcohol | abrotman: it does, but it throws these errors. also, I just found a post somewhere stating firmware-linux-nonfree contains said firmware, even though the description does not mention it (but the files list shows it) |
| 12:06.14 | Innocentus | ah ok |
| 12:06.18 | abrotman | yay, i guess |
| 12:06.30 | Innocentus | should I separate the user names with comata or with spaces? |
| 12:07.00 | alcohol | abrotman: maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way though. my main concern is that eth0 comes up, but at the same time claims it does not. hence all my up and down stanzas in /e/n/interfaces do not execute (they're supposed to add some route's) |
| 12:07.10 | abrotman | so instsall the firmware package, see what happens |
| 12:07.36 | alcohol | abrotman: will do that |
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| 12:08.08 | Innocentus | How can I change the password of an existing user? |
| 12:08.22 | joltcan | Innocentus: man passwd |
| 12:08.38 | alcohol | abrotman: well that installed the required files. imma try a reboot and see if everything does what I would like it to do now :) |
| 12:09.18 | joltcan | Innocentus: But you know what; the best thing you can do today is probably to read the debian documentation, it will show and explain everything from filesystem layout to how to do things like that |
| 12:09.32 | Innocentus | yes, I understand |
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| 12:10.29 | Innocentus | adduser ssh adduser: The group `ssh' already exists. |
| 12:10.38 | Innocentus | why a group? I want an user! |
| 12:11.01 | abrotman | because it creates a group for that user |
| 12:11.07 | abrotman | and picking 'ssh' as a username is pretty bad anyways |
| 12:11.08 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: because adduser is configured so that it adds a group with the same name as user |
| 12:11.19 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: use imagination :P |
| 12:11.20 | Innocentus | eh - but there is no user ssh |
| 12:11.28 | Innocentus | only a group ssh |
| 12:11.31 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: see /etc/adduser.conf |
| 12:11.34 | thewanderer1 | it's all in there |
| 12:12.27 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: ok - I have created a group ssh - sounds nice - but how can I add an user "ssh" to this group "ssh"? |
| 12:12.36 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: because the user ssh doesn't exist |
| 12:13.29 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: create some user, and then use "adduser user group" - it adds user to group |
| 12:13.55 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: but adduser doesn't create a user |
| 12:14.22 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: Before I can assign an user to a group I need to create him - but adduser creates no user at all. |
| 12:14.49 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: then change the default group that this user gets |
| 12:15.02 | babilen | Innocentus: Choose a different username or disable UPG (bad idea IMHO) |
| 12:15.14 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: adduser --help |
| 12:15.20 | Innocentus | by the way: how can I list all users? |
| 12:15.28 | abrotman | getent |
| 12:15.37 | babilen | Innocentus: "getent passwd" |
| 12:16.52 | Innocentus | and how can I list all groups? :) |
| 12:17.15 | thewanderer1 | getent group |
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| 12:17.41 | Innocentus | ah - this is logical :) |
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| 12:18.32 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: how can I change the username / password? |
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| 12:19.58 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: usermod |
| 12:20.00 | thewanderer1 | and passwd |
| 12:20.08 | Innocentus | ok thank you |
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| 12:21.04 | thewanderer1 | thinks #debian needs a neural network bot to answer questions and learn |
| 12:21.53 | abrotman | or users to read docs? |
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| 12:22.45 | thewanderer1 | no, that's so inefficient... let machines parse data and provide us with answers |
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| 12:24.38 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: ok - I was able to configurate sudo |
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| 12:25.05 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: But now the user needs only to enter the own password instead of the root-password to gain root-access. This is quite jokeles... :( |
| 12:26.05 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: that's why you should "configure" sudo, not "try to configure" sudo :P |
| 12:26.49 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: I guess this line is wrong: ssh-shell ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 12:27.09 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: but how to force a root-password for this user? |
| 12:27.49 | alcohol | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/81533/ any idea why the routes did not get added? did I screw up my interfaces file? |
| 12:28.10 | abrotman | no gateway? |
| 12:28.26 | abrotman | route add default gw x.x.x.x ? |
| 12:29.05 | alcohol | I don't have gateways for them :x |
| 12:29.15 | alcohol | but adding the routes manually works fine |
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| 12:29.42 | zzz | Hi! Is there any way to get the previous version number of an installed package? |
| 12:29.45 | Innocentus | My Browser crashed |
| 12:29.59 | Innocentus | Everything hanged suddenly and I had to kill the firefox-process |
| 12:30.14 | Innocentus | And I am using Chatzilla (a firefox addon) |
| 12:30.23 | Innocentus | and together with the browser the irc-client also crashed |
| 12:30.36 | Innocentus | Did I miss something? Pls tell me |
| 12:31.16 | abrotman | !tell zzz about sdo |
| 12:31.49 | Innocentus | abrotman |
| 12:32.00 | Innocentus | did I miss something? |
| 12:32.02 | Innocentus | tell me pls |
| 12:32.20 | nameless` | zzz: apt-cache |
| 12:32.36 | Innocentus | nameless`: did I miss something? |
| 12:32.57 | nameless` | zzz: Innocentus miss about what ? |
| 12:32.59 | alcohol | Innocentus: did you start it again? |
| 12:33.04 | nameless` | ops sorry zzz |
| 12:33.19 | Innocentus | My IRC client crashed together with my Browser |
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| 12:33.25 | alcohol | Innocentus: yeah so what? |
| 12:33.40 | Innocentus | And I wanted to know how to force a root-password when an user uses sudo |
| 12:33.41 | nameless` | Innocentus: are you expecting us to told you why it crashed ? |
| 12:33.45 | alcohol | Innocentus: your irc client is part of your browser, you just said so |
| 12:33.56 | alcohol | Innocentus: so it makes sense if one crashes, the other most likely also crashes |
| 12:34.02 | Innocentus | Yes and I thought I missed something from this conversation. |
| 12:34.20 | Innocentus | So I am asking here if there were to me related messages after the crash |
| 12:34.21 | alcohol | Innocentus: well, we're missing a point? |
| 12:34.30 | nameless` | what do you mean but "force a root-password" ? |
| 12:34.45 | nameless` | Innocentus: do you mean "giving a simple user root privilege using sudo" ? |
| 12:34.47 | alcohol | Innocentus: oh I see. no there were no further messages till you got back |
| 12:34.59 | nameless` | alcohol: aaah i get it :) |
| 12:35.27 | Innocentus | nameless`: when the user uses sudo he / she only needs to enter his own password |
| 12:35.37 | Innocentus | nameless`: but he / she should enter the root-password instead |
| 12:35.38 | nameless` | Innocentus: yes |
| 12:35.45 | alcohol | Innocentus: but asking for root password basically defies the purpose of sudo... |
| 12:35.46 | Innocentus | nameless`: I want to force a root-password |
| 12:35.47 | nameless` | Innocentus: why would you do that ? |
| 12:35.56 | alcohol | then might as well just use su root then |
| 12:35.56 | nameless` | Innocentus: just type su |
| 12:36.09 | nameless` | Innocentus: use the command "su" and then enter the root password |
| 12:36.27 | alcohol | the point of sudo is allowing limited access to root privileges (or configurable) |
| 12:36.29 | Innocentus | nameless`: so it is intended that the user enters his password to log into ssh-shell and then enters it twice to temporarily gain root-access with sudo? |
| 12:36.33 | alcohol | without knowing root password |
| 12:36.40 | Innocentus | ahhhh - Now I understand the point! |
| 12:36.42 | alcohol | yes |
| 12:36.55 | alcohol | you can limit their root access. so they can't do everything root can. |
| 12:37.14 | nameless` | yes, the sudoers file is configurable |
| 12:37.18 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: for example, I allow only changing key bindings with sudo on my laptop so that the users don't have to be root to rebind keys |
| 12:37.33 | Innocentus | OK - Now I have understand the point. |
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| 12:40.00 | Innocentus | What is the maximal length for a password? |
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| 12:43.28 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: they are hashed, so no limit |
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| 12:43.47 | nameless` | i guess it depends on the authentication |
| 12:43.48 | thewanderer1 | besides what passwd accepts on STDIN |
| 12:43.51 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 12:43.51 | alcy | anyone got a clue about this http://pastie.org/1062019 ? been tryin to preseed a package, but dpkg-preconfigure ALWAYS hangs in this case. |
| 12:44.11 | Infin1ty | i have set limits in /etc/security/limits.conf restart sshd also restarted the whole machine, yet ulimit -a still shows the default value (i have also done the same setup on other distro and it worked) |
| 12:44.19 | Infin1ty | oh, i use lenny |
| 12:44.47 | thewanderer1 | do you have PAM enabled? |
| 12:44.58 | thewanderer1 | limits.conf is a PAM thing |
| 12:45.03 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, hmm ok i will look |
| 12:45.20 | Innocentus | Are special characters allowed / recommended in passwords? |
| 12:45.22 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, yes, i do use PAM (in sshd_config) and limits for /etc/pam.d/sshd |
| 12:46.02 | babilen | Innocentus: Special characters like: @ # $ % & ? |
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| 12:46.51 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: international characters and TAB break with KDE, but otherwise everything works fine |
| 12:47.13 | Innocentus | I mean characters like ä ö ü à and so on |
| 12:48.19 | ohih0wru | hello, i've checked apt-get update several minutes ago and it responded with an error associated with checksum from debian backports, now a few minutes later i've retried the same and it went well and now dist-upgrade offers me to remove and reinstall a whole bunch of programs. i'd like to know if somebody is aware of an changes? p.s. i check for updates every day and all my software is supposed to be up-to-date.. any comments? |
| 12:48.52 | ohih0wru | any changes* |
| 12:48.54 | abrotman | pastebin might help |
| 12:49.37 | Innocentus | babilen: would these characters are also ok? |
| 12:49.48 | llutz | Innocentus: just be sure you can enter those characters (find them on keyboard) from wherever you are |
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| 12:50.13 | ohih0wru | unfortunately an error with checksum is out of scroll.. is it possible to view more than console shows me by default? |
| 12:50.59 | keith4 | ohih0wru: shift pageup? |
| 12:51.16 | nameless` | ohih0wru: using > ? |
| 12:51.19 | Infin1ty | weird, if i use the user in the limits.conf it works fine!, if i use a wildcard * it won't work!, this is a bug?! |
| 12:51.21 | keith4 | ohih0wru: also, you might want to look into cron-apt |
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| 12:51.51 | ohih0wru | http://pastebin.com/hTtK8Y6m |
| 12:52.11 | babilen | Innocentus: Yes, you can use all of these characters and I would even encourage you to include some "special" ones like @ $ % or &. You just have to make sure that you can enter them .. |
| 12:52.14 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: it should work with a wildcard, too. browse the bug reports. |
| 12:52.21 | ohih0wru | i know how to scroll.. but it only shows a certain amount of lines |
| 12:52.23 | abrotman | ohih0wru: put your sources.list in the pastebin also |
| 12:52.26 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, i know it should, it works well on other distros |
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| 12:52.34 | keith4 | ohih0wru: highfive for wesnoth |
| 12:52.46 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: if you have this on Lenny, then it seems the release team missed one RC bug :P |
| 12:53.12 | keith4 | ohih0wru: what does 'apt-cache policy openoffice.org-core' show? |
| 12:53.26 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, i'm sure it's lenny and i'm sure it's not working |
| 12:53.29 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: have you actually checked that wildcard is supported Lenny? |
| 12:53.31 | ohih0wru | sources -> http://pastebin.com/MFsCvyGa |
| 12:53.40 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, why wouldnt it? |
| 12:53.46 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, it would be awfull if it wont |
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| 12:54.30 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: if the wildcard was in the example, then it should work |
| 12:54.47 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: if there isn't a single word about wildcards in Lenny, then I guess there is a reason |
| 12:54.54 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, well, it is, it should work, work fine on centos |
| 12:55.12 | ohih0wru | apt-cache policy openoffice.org-core -> http://pastebin.com/NrQgLPTA |
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| 12:55.50 | ohih0wru | ah, a candidate for latest 3.2.. it's been a while with 2.4.. could it be an official debian mass upgrade? |
| 12:56.17 | abrotman | from backports.org, not official really |
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| 12:56.22 | abrotman | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 12:56.25 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny7; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny7; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-4; sid: 1:3.2.1-4+b1 |
| 12:56.35 | Innocentus | can non-root users also reboot / halt the server? |
| 12:56.38 | Innocentus | how can I prevent that? |
| 12:56.49 | keith4 | ohih0wru: did you set it to use *everything* from lenny-backports? |
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| 12:56.57 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: works for me. |
| 12:57.13 | keith4 | Innocentus: of course not |
| 12:57.37 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: make sure you have "UsePAM yes" in your file |
| 12:57.41 | thewanderer1 | sshd_config |
| 12:57.53 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, i already told you i do, and i already told you it works if i specify a user, nevermind, thanks anyhow |
| 12:58.05 | ohih0wru | keith4, you mean main, contrib, non-free? |
| 12:58.18 | keith4 | ohih0wru: no. i mean priorities |
| 12:58.27 | keith4 | because it *should* look more like this: http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=2kJwZGkN |
| 12:58.31 | keith4 | sighs |
| 12:58.36 | keith4 | this: http://pastebin.com/2kJwZGkN |
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| 12:59.00 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: probably your limits config is just screwed up... |
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| 12:59.42 | ohih0wru | keith4, i don't know what you mean under priority |
| 12:59.55 | keith4 | ohih0wru: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 13:00.33 | keith4 | ohih0wru: packages from backports are not supposed to be the same priority as from lenny itself |
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| 13:01.26 | ohih0wru | where do i see where priority is specified? |
| 13:02.14 | __lilbt_1 | hi |
| 13:02.22 | __lilbt_1 | does anybody has experience with putty? |
| 13:02.34 | __lilbt_1 | does putty runs in ecrypted mode from default? |
| 13:03.02 | ohih0wru | keith4, priority is what every line in version table of apt-cache policy is? |
| 13:03.19 | __lilbt_1 | does dropbear listen just encrypted frames only? |
| 13:03.33 | keith4 | yours are 500 for official and backports, which is why you're getting prompted to upgrade |
| 13:03.38 | keith4 | ohih0wru: ^ |
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| 13:04.00 | keith4 | ohih0wru: if you look at all of those other packages that apt wants to upgrade, you'll see the same thing |
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| 13:05.06 | ohih0wru | since i didn't know about the priority what could have caused it? but in the first place is it something that might break the system? |
| 13:05.29 | ohih0wru | overall, i wanted to ask if it's normal or not |
| 13:05.33 | ohih0wru | to know |
| 13:07.46 | ohih0wru | i just ran update again, went ok and tried dist-upgrade again and now it shows nothing to upgrade |
| 13:07.47 | bezaban | __lilbt_1: default connection is SSH in putty - which is encrypted. |
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| 13:10.25 | ohih0wru | keith4, after last update backports priority fell down to 1 from 500.. so i guess my question is closed. thanks |
| 13:10.37 | keith4 | ok |
| 13:11.23 | Innocentus | ok |
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| 13:12.10 | Innocentus | When I now connect with sftp I can access everything from the root |
| 13:12.13 | Innocentus | is that a good practice? |
| 13:13.40 | Bushmills | you can most likley access those things which you can download from the internet anyway |
| 13:14.01 | Bushmills | try to access /etc/shadow |
| 13:14.25 | Bushmills | or /root |
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| 13:14.52 | datacrusher | how do i set split panes on nautilus? like this - http://www.linuxjournal.com/video/split-pane-file-viewing-nautilus |
| 13:15.06 | Innocentus | this is funny |
| 13:15.14 | Innocentus | I can access everything except the html-directory |
| 13:15.16 | Innocentus | oh my god |
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| 13:15.51 | Bushmills | if you don't like the file system to be accessable from the root directory, but confine it to a starting point you set and below, check out root jails. |
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| 13:17.42 | Innocentus | root jails only for ftp? |
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| 13:21.53 | Bushmills | setting home dirs of other users to 700 or 750 should go a long way, alternatively |
| 13:22.13 | Bushmills | after all, what is on your system which can't be found on an installation dvd? |
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| 13:23.24 | davix | anyone can throw me in a good direction for checking if a package is installed with dpkg/apt-get and exit code? |
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| 13:24.11 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:24.17 | themill | dpkg: tell davix about installed test |
| 13:25.22 | davix | themill: thanks! :) that is perfect for my script |
| 13:27.44 | foetus | correct identification with irssi via proxy solved :) |
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| 13:35.17 | Innocentus | hi all - I am back :) |
| 13:35.19 | Innocentus | yahoo |
| 13:35.35 | Innocentus | Who has expertise / excellence in network / port-stuff? |
| 13:35.55 | jordanm | why, you hiring? |
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| 13:38.20 | babilen | jordanm: :-D |
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| 13:39.19 | Innocentus | no :) |
| 13:39.24 | Innocentus | But this question is a tough one :) |
| 13:39.43 | Innocentus | I want to use ssh also when I am in an f.ex. internet café where only port 80 is open |
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| 13:40.23 | nameless` | Innocentus: ssh -L |
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| 13:40.55 | nameless` | Innocentus: for instance, you install privoxy on your remote server that wait a connection to the port 8118 |
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| 13:41.16 | nameless` | Innocentus: then on your laptop you use the command ssh -L 8118:localhost:8118 user@remote |
| 13:41.26 | Innocentus | this would also allow me to use sftp / mysql over ssh? |
| 13:41.30 | nameless` | Innocentus: then you set a proxy for firefox that is localhost:8118 |
| 13:41.40 | Innocentus | oh - I forgot - I am using Windows 7 - and sadly I cannot change |
| 13:41.55 | nameless` | you can use putty on windows |
| 13:42.21 | nameless` | i invite you to read "ssh tunneling" |
| 13:42.49 | nameless` | ops sorry i didn't read exactly your use-case |
| 13:42.49 | Innocentus | ok - I am already using putty |
| 13:43.17 | nameless` | you want a n http tunnel |
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| 13:44.40 | thewanderer1 | I believe one should just use dynamic SOCKS5 forwarding |
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| 13:45.02 | nameless` | ssh -D |
| 13:46.13 | Innocentus | ssh -D = dynamic SOCKS5 forwarding? |
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| 13:47.05 | nameless` | Innocentus: i'm sorry to say that, but get an eye to the ssh manual |
| 13:47.12 | nameless` | Innocentus: look at the -D option |
| 13:47.28 | nameless` | "Currently the SOCKS4 and SOCKS5 protocols are supâ ported, and ssh will act as a SOCKS server. |
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| 13:48.57 | nameless` | Innocentus: for instance, right now i'm using it, i just type ssh -D 9999 root@myserver and i configures firefox to use localhost:9999 as a proxy SOCKS5 |
| 13:49.15 | Innocentus | nameless`: ok |
| 13:49.18 | Innocentus | nameless`: cool thing |
| 13:49.31 | Innocentus | nameless`: but does ssh -D 9999 root@myserver work also in windows? |
| 13:49.49 | nameless` | Innocentus: i guess it does |
| 13:50.05 | Innocentus | so this command is executed where? |
| 13:50.08 | Innocentus | in the shell? |
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| 13:51.04 | nameless` | Innocentus: i don't know how it works on windows |
| 13:51.17 | Innocentus | nameless`: ok |
| 13:51.25 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: http://www.cs.uu.nl/technical/services/ssh/putty/puttyfw.html |
| 13:51.26 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.36 | Innocentus | nameless`: so with this configuration I am able to use my v-server as proxy |
| 13:52.07 | Innocentus | nameless`: but there is another problem... I cannot establish a ssh-connection because the wifi-hotspot has only port 80 open |
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| 13:52.40 | Innocentus | nameless`: I have to connect to the v-server over port 80 and not over port 22 |
| 13:52.43 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: only port 80 outgoing? |
| 13:52.59 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: and sometimes - but only when you are lucky - smtp and pop ports are also open |
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| 13:53.18 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: then you need some very sophisticated setup involving custom iptables scripts and proxy daemons |
| 13:53.32 | thewanderer1 | and steam. lots of steam. |
| 13:53.46 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: would it be sufficient to make the ssh-server listen also on port 80? |
| 13:53.47 | gps23 | how do i make Xorg spit out Xorg.conf file? i need to see which graphic driver is it using. |
| 13:54.05 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: yes, but if you are running HTTP server there, they will conflict |
| 13:54.18 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: uh oh - this is very true |
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| 13:54.27 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: so there is no solution? |
| 13:54.31 | thewanderer1 | there is. |
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| 13:54.48 | thewanderer1 | I can think of a design involving PHP, sudo and iptables |
| 13:54.51 | thewanderer1 | and steam. |
| 13:55.21 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: I guess we need a mechanism which differentiates between a normal http-connection and a ssh-connection, right? |
| 13:55.27 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 13:55.33 | thewanderer1 | it won't work, I think |
| 13:55.42 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: but how to do it over port 80? |
| 13:55.50 | thewanderer1 | there are no such programs and you don't to implement a full HTTP/SSH proxy |
| 13:56.16 | thewanderer1 | well, my idea is that you write a PHP script which allows you to login to some kind of admin panel, click a button which triggers an iptables redirect |
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| 13:56.41 | thewanderer1 | so that all packets with your current IP source address get redirected from port 80 to some other one |
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| 13:56.56 | nameless` | Innocentus: you want a HTTP tunnel |
| 13:57.20 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: HTTP tunnels with a normal HTTP server? |
| 13:57.30 | nameless` | thewanderer1: not a normal httpserver |
| 13:57.33 | Innocentus | I am looking for a simple and elegant solution |
| 13:57.38 | nameless` | thewanderer1: one that just do the forwarding |
| 13:57.41 | Innocentus | I want to use putty / sftp / mysql (navicat) with that tunnel |
| 13:57.49 | thewanderer1 | well, it is possible to use a HTTP proxy and put the real HTTP behind it |
| 13:57.59 | Innocentus | I access mysql or ftp or the shell with ssh. |
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| 13:58.13 | Innocentus | Now I want to do this over port 80. |
| 13:58.22 | nameless` | Innocentus: yes i understand your point |
| 13:58.34 | nameless` | Innocentus: i wanted to program something like that |
| 13:58.43 | nameless` | Innocentus: i don't know if it exists yet |
| 13:58.48 | nameless` | Innocentus: but this is how it should works |
| 13:58.52 | Innocentus | this one: http://http-tunnel.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:58.54 | Innocentus | but it is php |
| 13:59.12 | Innocentus | I wish there is also a more system-near solution |
| 13:59.17 | nameless` | Innocentus: you hjave to set up a virtual interface |
| 13:59.22 | Innocentus | cool |
| 13:59.29 | nameless` | Innocentus: this interface tunnel itself to the server other the port 80 |
| 13:59.35 | Innocentus | nameless`: yea - this sounds cool |
| 13:59.38 | Innocentus | nameless`: how to set one up? |
| 13:59.41 | nameless` | Innocentus: and then you add a default route toward that interface |
| 13:59.44 | thewanderer1 | errr what |
| 13:59.48 | nameless` | Innocentus: here is the tough part |
| 13:59.54 | nameless` | thewanderer1: ? |
| 14:00.17 | nameless` | thewanderer1: it's one solution |
| 14:00.18 | thewanderer1 | this httptunnel has its own, custom client. |
| 14:00.29 | thewanderer1 | now if you can run Perl client on Windows... |
| 14:00.34 | thewanderer1 | you're cooler than I am :P |
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| 14:01.02 | nameless` | i forgot the "windows" aspect |
| 14:01.11 | marcompile | where is the #debian-arm channel? |
| 14:01.14 | thewanderer1 | yes, it's so easy to forget at times... |
| 14:01.24 | nameless` | but i actually don't care :) |
| 14:01.31 | thewanderer1 | well, I'm really wondering about this REDIRECT |
| 14:01.35 | nameless` | Innocentus: just get a proper OS |
| 14:01.38 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:01.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:01.55 | Innocentus | no worry because of windows |
| 14:01.58 | Innocentus | I have installed a vm |
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| 14:02.05 | Innocentus | with debian lenny - so this shouldn't be a problen. |
| 14:02.10 | thewanderer1 | sorry abrotman (there is no enter key anyway, I only see RETURN) |
| 14:02.43 | nameless` | thewanderer1: well my idea was to write something that set up a virtual interface and behind that interface , it actually sets up a tunnel over the real interface and forward the packet in and out |
| 14:02.46 | Innocentus | nameless`: so a linux-solution would be also ok for me |
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| 14:03.09 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: my idea is that iptables does a redirect at the server side for, say, 1 hour |
| 14:03.14 | Innocentus | nameless`: that sounds cool - so I can use the port 80 natively and together with http for the http-server |
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| 14:04.40 | Innocentus | nameless`: so what exactly do I need to do? |
| 14:04.43 | thewanderer1 | but the main problem is that ssh would still send packets back with source port 22, right? |
| 14:04.58 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: right - port 22 is standard |
| 14:05.12 | thewanderer1 | oh, we can use SNAT for port mangling, right? |
| 14:05.22 | thewanderer1 | I'm beginning to see a script in my head... |
| 14:05.25 | abrotman | ask #netfilter ? |
| 14:05.27 | nameless` | hum |
| 14:05.31 | marcompile | thewanderer1, what do you need? |
| 14:05.45 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: a sheet of paper and a pencil :P |
| 14:05.52 | nameless` | thewanderer1: can you explain me your solution one more time |
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| 14:06.00 | marcompile | thewanderer1, i was refering to the iptables rules |
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| 14:06.29 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: yes. I want to redirect port 80 connections to port 22, locally, from one IP only |
| 14:06.38 | spo0nman | hi how can i find out all the packages that depend on a package? |
| 14:06.47 | nameless` | thewanderer1: well, it won't works |
| 14:06.52 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: why? |
| 14:06.56 | abrotman | spo0nman: apt-cache rdepends ? |
| 14:07.12 | alcohol | crontab/cron usually sends messages returned from jobs to root. is it possible to change the address/user? I know it's possible, but I only found it to be so on a global level. not a specific entry |
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| 14:07.19 | nameless` | the thing is that you are modifying layer 3 |
| 14:07.26 | nameless` | nameless`: instead of encapsulating it |
| 14:07.27 | abrotman | alcohol: you can change it in the script MAILTO |
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| 14:07.36 | nameless` | thewanderer1: you are breaking the end to end connectivity |
| 14:07.38 | solifugus | What user does apache run as, under Debian Lenny? |
| 14:07.43 | alcohol | abrotman: MAILTO=user|email |
| 14:07.43 | alcohol | ? |
| 14:07.45 | abrotman | solifugus: www-data IIRC |
| 14:07.48 | marcompile | thewanderer1, you can REDIRECT or DNAT |
| 14:07.52 | abrotman | alcohol: look in the cron man pages |
| 14:08.01 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: at some point, yes - the HTTP server is no more accessible, it's true |
| 14:08.04 | alcohol | will do thanks |
| 14:08.28 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: but then, as soon as you get SSH, you should be able to get to your HTTPd once more from inside |
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| 14:09.00 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: okay, I think I need to do DNAT and SNAT for this to work (bi-directional port change) |
| 14:09.16 | marcompile | thewanderer1, no. only DNAT. The conntrack takes care of the reverse path |
| 14:09.29 | nameless` | thewanderer1: not an elegant solution though |
| 14:09.36 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: oh, how neat. |
| 14:10.00 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: it's crude, I know, but it works without any specific client software (IE is enough...) |
| 14:10.00 | nameless` | thewanderer1: i think the best way is still setting up a virtual interface :D |
| 14:10.19 | nameless` | thewanderer1: then address each side with a private IP address |
| 14:10.20 | alcohol | abrotman: hrm it mentions MAILTO inside crontab, but can I place the MAILTO also in the script it calls? I do not see this mentioned |
| 14:10.23 | marcompile | thewanderer1, you just want for your incoming connections on port 80 from a specific ip be routed to local port 22? |
| 14:10.28 | nameless` | thewanderer1: then adding only one default route |
| 14:10.31 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: yeah |
| 14:10.42 | marcompile | thewanderer1, i think there are some issues with ssh and this type of port redirect |
| 14:10.46 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: you want to create a VPN |
| 14:10.52 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: why? |
| 14:11.15 | nameless` | thewanderer1: socat TCP-LISTEN:80,fork TCP:localhost:22 ? |
| 14:11.24 | nameless` | thewanderer1: absolutely |
| 14:11.40 | marcompile | thewanderer1, i have a webserver running on port 8088. I normally DNAT all connections on 80 in PREROUTING to 8088 |
| 14:11.44 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: no, socat works with all clients, I need only a particular IP with that |
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| 14:11.58 | Kanisterschleife | hi |
| 14:11.59 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: I have SSH running on port 22 and I redirect 21 to it |
| 14:12.04 | thewanderer1 | (DNAT) |
| 14:12.13 | alcohol | abrotman: can I do MAILTO=x \n job here \n MAILTO=root ? |
| 14:12.26 | alcohol | abrotman: so it takes different mailto for different jobs |
| 14:12.42 | nameless` | thewanderer1: i don't understand what you are trying to do :) |
| 14:12.44 | jacekowski | yes |
| 14:12.44 | jacekowski | just not like that |
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| 14:12.52 | marcompile | thewanderer1, I also run ssh. Because my 22 is blocked, I tried to DNAT port 2222 to 22 the same way I do with web servers, but it does not work, so I had to enable ssh on port 2222 also |
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| 14:13.05 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: strange, really. works for me O.o |
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| 14:13.42 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: I want to redirect all connections on port 80 to port 22 from one particular source IP for a limited period of time |
| 14:13.56 | richard0 | Hi, i would like to know how long ban last? because abrotman ban doudou, feel like you know stupidity wanting to command other |
| 14:14.01 | marcompile | thewanderer1, so what is the problem? you got it working? |
| 14:14.11 | Kanisterschleife | I enabled ECN putting 1 into /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn. However, in wireshark I see that the ip packets I send do not have the ECN Capable flag set |
| 14:14.14 | Kanisterschleife | Any ideas? |
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| 14:14.44 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: yes, on a server, and you've just reminded me about it, so I should have no problems developing an automatic proxy script |
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| 14:15.57 | thewanderer1 | I just need to find a way to make such a redirect temporary now |
| 14:16.19 | marcompile | thewanderer1, iptables -I && sleep 38400 && iptables -D ? lol |
| 14:16.44 | thewanderer1 | marcompile: yeah, now do that from PHP which has 60-second timeouts ;P |
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| 14:16.51 | thewanderer1 | I think I'm gonna need to employ `at` |
| 14:16.59 | Innocentus | Hey! I have got an idea. You register a DynDNS-domain and bind it to port 80. The server detects the request is for this special domain and switches to ssh |
| 14:17.01 | marcompile | yeah 'at' is better lol |
| 14:17.09 | nameless` | thewanderer1: you can add a filtering rule with iptable using my command line |
| 14:17.22 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: you would have to come up with your own server code, anyway |
| 14:17.28 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: and a custom client. |
| 14:17.32 | marcompile | Innocentus, or just setup a web-based terminal on that vhost |
| 14:17.33 | Innocentus | right |
| 14:17.46 | Innocentus | marcompile: but then I cannot use sftp / mysql over ssh |
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| 14:18.07 | jae | Anyone recommend a lightweight, small-footprint, maildir-supporting imap server? |
| 14:18.11 | thewanderer1 | in fact, AnyTerm is a PHP/JavaScript package that launches a terminal on the webserver host |
| 14:18.13 | Innocentus | by the way: how can I list all ip adresses with which the server is reachable? |
| 14:18.16 | nameless` | thewanderer1: using the option range |
| 14:18.18 | thewanderer1 | jae: Dovecot... |
| 14:18.19 | marcompile | Innocentus, yes you can, just use the web based terminal to open ssh tunnel to your computer lol |
| 14:18.38 | Innocentus | marcompile: and how to use filezilla or navicat with that web-based terminal? |
| 14:18.47 | nameless` | thewanderer1: socat TCP-LISTEN:80,range=92.67.123.1/32,fork TCP:localhost:22 |
| 14:19.12 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: this would be neat if it didn't conflict with HTTP server already sitting on 80. |
| 14:19.19 | marcompile | Innocentus, you connect to your server, and the open a reverse tunnel to your host (ssh -R 3306:127.0.0.1:3306) |
| 14:19.24 | thewanderer1 | I think we really need iptables for this |
| 14:19.46 | thewanderer1 | userspace won't do - the TCP port is already taken. |
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| 14:19.51 | nameless` | thewanderer1: since you redirect the 80 traffic, you don't need http anymore |
| 14:19.59 | Innocentus | macompile: sounds interesting - but the hotspots normally have a very bitchy firewall |
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| 14:20.01 | marcompile | thewanderer1, you need to DNAT for this to work |
| 14:20.04 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: but other clients might |
| 14:20.13 | nameless` | thewanderer1: iptables then |
| 14:20.23 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I've figured it out somehow |
| 14:20.24 | nameless` | thewanderer1: that change the dest port 80 by 8888 for instance |
| 14:20.26 | marcompile | Innocentus, im just kidding :) |
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| 14:20.32 | nameless` | thewanderer1: and then bind socat over 8888 |
| 14:20.44 | s0enke | O_o (lenny, ext3) - i got two directories pointing to the same inode!!11 this is impossible, isn't it? |
| 14:21.03 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: defies the purpose, only dest port 80 is available from Innocentus' harsh hotspot, remember? :P |
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| 14:21.10 | thewanderer1 | let's not forget the main goal. |
| 14:21.14 | marcompile | s0enke, have you tries fsck ? |
| 14:21.28 | marcompile | thewanderer1, just iptables it |
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| 14:21.35 | nameless` | thewanderer1: you don't get it, the server filter locally |
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| 14:21.51 | Innocentus | what happened to richard0? |
| 14:21.59 | foetus | why do irssi need so many attempts to connect via a http proxy? |
| 14:22.03 | s0enke | marcompile, not yet. but I'm wondering how this can happen ... |
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| 14:22.29 | marcompile | s0enke, cosmic rays? |
| 14:22.37 | foetus | a question for #irssi normally, but there is no response. |
| 14:22.40 | s0enke | marcompile, indeed ... |
| 14:23.03 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: anyway, I'll put together a nice PHP script for this tunelling as soon as I find the best way to remove the redirect after a set period of time |
| 14:23.20 | s0enke | marcompile, i call it the multiple-inheritance-dir "feature" of ext3. hardlinks on directories - pointersalad weeks at ext3 ;) |
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| 14:23.32 | nameless` | thewanderer1: just kill socat |
| 14:23.40 | nameless` | thewanderer1: and drop the iptable rule |
| 14:23.43 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: no, no, without socat... |
| 14:23.54 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: I need to use something like atd or cron, then |
| 14:23.54 | nameless` | thewanderer1: socat is what you need |
| 14:24.20 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: would you care to explain how you see it should work with socat? |
| 14:24.27 | manchot | is it possible to change the kernel from a Xen guest? |
| 14:24.40 | manchot | i.e. running a new kernel in xen guest. possible? |
| 14:24.41 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: preferably via PM, let's not spam here |
| 14:26.07 | marcompile | s0enke, hey at least you are not using reiserfs |
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| 14:29.45 | abrotman | richard0: doudou will not be unbanned until you stop asking about it |
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| 14:30.09 | abrotman | richard0: doudou keeps evading the bans that have been set. Please tell him to stop doing this. |
| 14:30.23 | Innocentus | I have just noticed that PuTTY supports also connection via SOCKS4/SOCKS5 / HTTP / Telnet |
| 14:30.44 | Innocentus | but the problem is again port 80... damn |
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| 14:30.59 | zebradog | hi |
| 14:31.23 | zebradog | is stuck on exim4-daemon-light on how to disable dnsreversiplookups |
| 14:31.25 | s0enke | marcompile, in germany we call it 'rasierfs' - 'rasier' with the meaning of reaping ;-) |
| 14:31.35 | marcompile | lol |
| 14:31.51 | marcompile | it kills your wife |
| 14:31.55 | zebradog | anyone knows about disabling the dnslookup for exim4 daemon light? |
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| 14:32.43 | s0enke | marcompile :D |
| 14:33.02 | Innocentus | Anyone an idea to the SSH through Port 80-problem? :) |
| 14:33.45 | zebradog | nobody here has an smtp server.. how newbie are the folks here? |
| 14:33.53 | andrewsw | Innocentus: what is the problem? |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | zebradog: doesn't that seem like a bad idea if you want it to deliver mail ? |
| 14:34.24 | abrotman | oh, reverse lookup .. what's wrong with doing those? |
| 14:34.26 | cahoot | not for a guru |
| 14:34.34 | Innocentus | I want to connect to an ssh-server through port 80 because all others ports are blocked (firewall of a typical hotspot) |
| 14:34.57 | marcompile | Innocentus, do you have a webserver running on port 80? |
| 14:35.02 | zebradog | abrotman: i'm troubleshooting a closed cheapy class c email server.. nothing special.. |
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| 14:35.45 | Innocentus | macrobat: yes |
| 14:35.54 | Innocentus | marcompile: yes |
| 14:36.09 | zebradog | abrotman: i have a reverse dns lookup record for a client machine (embedded device) that is not so lucky with this light daemon.. dunno why.. tcpdump shows traffic.. but can't get into the detailed messages |
| 14:36.20 | marcompile | so, did you try to make a DNAT on iptables ? |
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| 14:36.53 | zebradog | Innocentus: you want ssh as a proxy? |
| 14:37.13 | petemc_ | zebradog: exim4 -bP host_lookup |
| 14:37.34 | marcompile | zebradog, i think he wants to 'redirect' connections on port 80 from specific IP to the ssh server and not the web server. Right Innocentus ? |
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| 14:38.43 | zebradog | petemc_: thanks.. that indicates what i've been trying to change but cant seem to find documenation for the light daemon (host_lookup = *), i know with the full one it's like 02_main*.. in /etc/exim*/conf.d |
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| 14:39.48 | petemc_ | zebradog: should be same, the light just indicates its not compiled with all the options like spam scanning enabled |
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| 14:42.53 | zebradog | petemc_: i'll try /usr/share/doc once again.. apparently the only thing i need to know is a small little procedure to hunt down cuse editing /etc/exim4/conf.d/02_exim4-config_options is not doing it |
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| 14:45.11 | petemc_ | zebradog: perhaps its set in exim4.conf.template , i use my own config in exim4.conf |
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| 15:00.28 | SARC | i know that you can disable tty2-6 in /etc/inittab |
| 15:00.35 | SARC | but how do you disable tty7-12? |
| 15:01.27 | richard0 | abrotman i told him, he told me you cant spend your days playing with the ban button |
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| 15:03.54 | SARC | is there a way to disable tty7/ |
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| 15:10.55 | abrotman | SARC: IIRC it only comes on if you start X |
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| 15:11.27 | SARC | abrotman, if i press alt-f7 it gives me a blank screen |
| 15:11.38 | SARC | is there a way to prevent this key combination from doing anything? |
| 15:11.51 | SARC | if i comment out tty2 in inittab, alt-f2 has no effect |
| 15:11.58 | SARC | i want to do the same for alt-f7 |
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| 15:12.43 | babilen | SARC: cross posting, heh? |
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| 15:13.17 | SARC | seeing if freenode is smarter than oftc :) |
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| 15:15.26 | abrotman | SARC: please don't do that |
| 15:15.43 | SARC | well i cant find my answer either place |
| 15:15.46 | SARC | so i give uop |
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| 15:16.38 | abrotman | SARC: what happens in the system before you do that? |
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| 15:28.01 | dutchfish | hi, where can i read up about the status of libdnla, fuppes and ushare, it is in on the wnpp and noted as as itp, however all activity seams to have being stopped since ~ March 2010. Any info more then welcome, thanks. |
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| 15:33.56 | abrotman | dutchfish: you would contact whomever said they were going to package it |
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| 15:36.13 | michalxo | hello! any ideas how to install gnome-shell? :_/ |
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| 15:36.28 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 15:36.29 | babilen | ,versions gnome-shell |
| 15:36.31 | judd | gnome-shell -- sid: 2.29.0-3; squeeze: 2.29.0-3 |
| 15:36.34 | Xeross | Can anyone help me out setting up sendmail to use a smarthost if the receiver isn't local ? |
| 15:36.35 | Innocentus | anyone time for me? |
| 15:37.36 | Innocentus | I have got a problem: I have created a new user and when I now access via sftp I can view everything - even root, etc. and so on. But I cannot write. And I want to lock that user to the html-folder. |
| 15:37.44 | Innocentus | At least I want that the user can also write. |
| 15:37.55 | Innocentus | How to archieve this? - Chmod or group-assignment? |
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| 15:38.58 | Xeross | Innocentus: You need to give the user write permissions to the www, in your case I think best is to make the www folder group writable and add the user to the www folder's group |
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| 15:39.27 | nameless` | Innocentus: are you using sftpd ? |
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| 15:40.10 | zebradog | nameless`: no such thing |
| 15:40.19 | zebradog | nameless`: you don't know how to help. |
| 15:40.35 | Innocentus | nameless`: I am not using any ftp-server at all. i access with sftp |
| 15:40.36 | zebradog | nameless`: sftp is run under ssh.. it's a subsystem |
| 15:40.40 | Innocentus | ah ok |
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| 15:41.24 | babilen | Innocentus: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html â have a look |
| 15:41.25 | michalxo | Was anyone able to start gnome-shell lately? |
| 15:41.27 | zebradog | Innocentus: well in theory sftp is like a file transfer program.. but isn't the ftp protocol |
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| 15:41.44 | michalxo | I am getting this errorm which I can't figure out :-( Failed to start /usr/lib/d-conf/dconf-service: [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 15:41.56 | Innocentus | there is a group www-data |
| 15:42.01 | Innocentus | this should be the right group? |
| 15:42.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: may i msg you? |
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| 15:43.34 | zebradog | don't pm me nameless` .. I already explained to you what sftp is. You didn't know what is is. Now you do. |
| 15:43.38 | jordanm | michalxo: when you do what? |
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| 15:43.44 | zebradog | laughs |
| 15:44.04 | nameless` | lol |
| 15:44.08 | michalxo | jordanm gnome-shell --replace |
| 15:44.08 | nameless` | well |
| 15:44.31 | jordanm | ,file gnome-shell |
| 15:44.36 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 15:44.41 | Innocentus | babilen: is the group www-data the right one? |
| 15:44.47 | babilen | ,versions gnome-shell |
| 15:44.48 | judd | gnome-shell -- sid: 2.29.0-3; squeeze: 2.29.0-3 |
| 15:44.53 | Innocentus | AND HOW can I set the home-directory for an user in sftpd? |
| 15:45.38 | jordanm | michalxo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:45.45 | michalxo | sid |
| 15:46.23 | michalxo | sid/testing |
| 15:46.25 | jordanm | michalxo: pastebin: apt-cache policy gnome-shell libc6; |
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| 15:48.34 | zebradog | Innocentus: you mean for "home directory" to be "/" when using sftp ? |
| 15:48.55 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: sure |
| 15:49.08 | zebradog | Innocentus: you want "/" in sftp to be "~" ? |
| 15:49.18 | zebradog | !~ |
| 15:49.19 | dpkg | ~ is probably a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about <+> |
| 15:49.39 | zebradog | thinks jailroot-like behaviour options in sshd_config |
| 15:49.50 | Innocentus | zebradog: I want that the ftp-home directory is /var/www for the user |
| 15:49.50 | michalxo | jordanm I took it from experimental and had that file missing error. Now gnome-shell 2.29.0-3 installed and I getting this mutter error: Could not load library [/usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libgnome-shell.so (/usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libgnome-shell.so: undefined symbol: mutter_plugin_effect_completed)] |
| 15:50.39 | jordanm | michalxo: my guess is that you still have some experimental libs |
| 15:50.42 | jordanm | !tell michalxo about sid |
| 15:50.44 | jordanm | !tell michalxo about bts |
| 15:50.56 | nameless` | Innocentus: wouldn't be more interesting to have a public_html folder on each users's home_directory ? |
| 15:51.10 | nameless` | Innocentus: and then chroot each sftp on each public_html ? |
| 15:51.23 | Innocentus | nameless`: good question - but in this case the vserver should be globally administratable |
| 15:51.38 | michalxo | ok thank you jordanm ;-) |
| 15:51.47 | Innocentus | nameless`: I want to access with shell-tunnel and then I want to manage all html-stuff of apache2 |
| 15:52.04 | jordanm | michalxo: actually, that lib in particular should be part of the gnome-shell package. definatly take a look at the bts |
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| 15:53.19 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't mis-matched versions one of the known hazards of sid? |
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| 15:54.07 | michalxo | yeah, probably is :-) |
| 15:54.58 | Innocentus | nameless`: so can I do that this way or shouldn't I do this like that? |
| 15:55.04 | Bushmills | Innocentus: more comfortable might be to run a vpn between server and client computer, and use nfs (maybe with automounter) to access dirs on demand |
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| 15:55.22 | Innocentus | Bushmills: but I love my filezilla |
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| 15:56.05 | Bushmills | that way you are not restricted to ftp/sftp/scp access but anything which can talk to files and directories can be used |
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| 15:56.27 | Bushmills | like, locally running an editor, editing a remote file |
| 15:57.21 | Bushmills | run a diff on remote and local file |
| 15:57.37 | Innocentus | Bushmills: is there are also a sudo for sftp? |
| 15:57.57 | Bushmills | "for"? there is sudo, and there is sftp |
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| 15:58.35 | Bushmills | one doesn't (need to) know anything about the other |
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| 16:15.36 | Trashi | hi guys. is there anybody whos working with pure-ftpd? i need help to chroot my virtual users!? |
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| 16:24.33 | simonrvn | they have very good docs. go read them. |
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| 16:26.20 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: sshfs |
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| 16:27.13 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: If the system is directly exposed most file tools can use it. |
| 16:27.22 | Bushmills | a hack, i'd say a "real" net file system is preferable, also concerning granting or denying access rights |
| 16:28.06 | jhutchins_lt | Rights are still valid over sshfs, and it has superior behavior on an interrupted connection. |
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| 16:28.42 | Innocentus | OK |
| 16:28.44 | Innocentus | I NEED HELP! |
| 16:29.03 | Innocentus | How can I allow access to everything for the user ssh-tunnel? |
| 16:29.46 | Bushmills | access to the access codes of Forth Knox included in "everything"? |
| 16:29.52 | Bushmills | Fort |
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| 16:32.51 | Bushmills | also be aware that accessing the memory bank of Voyager II is prone to suffer from some lag |
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| 16:33.37 | lolufail | hey! |
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| 16:34.02 | lolufail | sry I wasnt able to google it, how do I find out what packages I have from a specific repository? I wanna delete one from sources.list |
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| 16:35.14 | simonrvn | apt-cache policy # didn't need to google it |
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| 16:35.53 | babilen | lolufail: http://pastebin.com/0WR2p7tU + |grep repo |
| 16:36.04 | themill | lolufail: "/msg dpkg dmm list" "/msg dpkg bpo list", tailor to suit. Or alternatively, remove it from your sources.list and /msg dpkg not available |
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| 16:36.46 | lolufail | simonrvn, babilen, themill: thx! gonna try all those ;) |
| 16:36.47 | themill | recognises babilen's particular ugliness.... |
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| 16:37.19 | babilen | themill: ugliness? *sigh* :'-( |
| 16:38.07 | babilen | themill: What is wrong with that? |
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| 16:38.40 | tharkun | How much does LVM hits the performance of a hdd? |
| 16:38.56 | lolufail | tharkun: 2-3% iirc |
| 16:40.17 | tharkun | lolufail: thx |
| 16:42.48 | frostschutz | tharkun: not more or less than traditional partitions do... adress translation is fast compared to actually reading/writing data. |
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| 16:44.30 | tharkun | frostschutz: Actually i just resurected an old pc with a 1.6 G pentium 4 and a 100 Gb hdd. I installed debian using lvm. But i was wondering how much aditional speed could i get out of this oldy if i take lvm off of it. |
| 16:44.59 | frostschutz | tharkun: you won't notice any difference |
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| 16:46.32 | tharkun | frostschutz: thx. It will just be a dns server :-) till the replacement arrives in 2 to 3 weeks |
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| 16:57.19 | rm-r | drivers/net/8390p.o: Invalid argument |
| 16:57.19 | rm-r | make[1]: ** [__modpost] Erro 1 |
| 16:57.19 | rm-r | make: ** [modules] Erro 2 |
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| 17:04.57 | jhutchins_lt | rm-r: Are you assuming that that's a standard error from a known procedure? |
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| 17:10.04 | netman86 | I installed KVM the other day and decided that it's not for me, but now I can't seem to figure out how to remove it. I installed it with apt-get, but now I cant even seem to find the package names |
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| 17:10.55 | rm-r | hi jhutchins |
| 17:10.55 | fxiny | the other day ? grep your root history |
| 17:11.04 | rm-r | hi jhutchins_lt |
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| 17:11.23 | netman86 | fxiny- unfortunately it was more like 3 days ago, and I've put in several hours of configuration since then :( |
| 17:11.29 | keith4 | netman86: grep the output of 'dpkg -l' |
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| 17:11.34 | fxiny | netman86: and use aptitude next |
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| 17:11.52 | rm-r | jhutchins_lt, I'm trying to install another version of the kernel |
| 17:11.56 | froek | Question for the apt-fu masses: why, if aptitude is better than apt-get at resolving deps, is apt-get still around? |
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| 17:12.16 | rm-r | jhutchins_lt, in step make modules |
| 17:12.24 | dondelelcaro | froek: apt-get provides libapt, which aptitude uses |
| 17:12.25 | fxiny | netman86: lenny ? try aptitude -s purge kvm |
| 17:12.55 | dondelelcaro | froek: apt-get has also improved recently, so the differences between them are less problematic |
| 17:13.22 | jordanm | apt-get also has the ability to download source packages, where aptitude can not |
| 17:13.25 | froek | dondelelcaro: I see. what's the history of those two packages? was one made to better the other? (ie, a fork)? |
| 17:13.32 | froek | jordanm: ahh i see |
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| 17:13.51 | dondelelcaro | froek: they are orthogonal; aptitude has always used libapt, and has always been a different codebase |
| 17:13.56 | jordanm | minesweeper was apparently a more important feature :P |
| 17:14.05 | froek | dondelelcaro: cool |
| 17:14.06 | froek | jordanm: lol |
| 17:14.17 | netman86 | fxiny- seems to try pretty hard, but then asks me if I want to continue; when I hit "y" it simply says "Would download/install/remove packages." and stops |
| 17:14.51 | amee2k | hmmm how do set privoxy to block a site and send a custom string instead of the document? |
| 17:15.25 | froek | I usually use apt-get since it's more in my muscle memory, but any time I do encounter upgrade issues I resolve with aptitude (doesn't happen all that often, just curious about the scenario) |
| 17:15.25 | fxiny | netman86: that's the -s (simulation) option , if you like that run aptitude -y purge kvm , it's up to you |
| 17:15.27 | amee2k | i need to block a site from pulling in an external script, but i need to replace the contents with a stub function or the site would break |
| 17:16.24 | netman86 | OH. thanks so much fxiny. I'm starting to get the hang of this. Now it's giving me a bunch of crap about some other apt tool being in the middle of installing something, so I've got to track it down... |
| 17:16.43 | jordanm | froek: but aptitude is less keys to type! |
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| 17:16.45 | fxiny | netman86: np |
| 17:18.18 | froek | jordanm: heh... I guess so, but I seem to type apt-get faster for some reason. I blame qwerty. |
| 17:19.08 | netman86 | okay, it looks like I've got a runaway "aptitude" running. If I kill its pid, or killall aptitude, it doesnt seem to make a difference |
| 17:19.22 | fxiny | froek: on this slow PII box aptitude is slower then apt-get . i prefere aptitude anyway . done a nice etch2lenny upgrade with . sometimes i run dselect which is even faster ;) |
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| 17:19.47 | jordanm | netman86: you shouldn't kill apt in that way |
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| 17:20.05 | netman86 | well how should I kill it? I don't have it open anywhere, theres just this process running. |
| 17:20.17 | froek | dselect.. scary console I never got used to :) |
| 17:20.28 | jordanm | sure it is not something like the gnome update manager? |
| 17:20.39 | netman86 | no idea. But I cant remove kvm while its running... |
| 17:20.57 | fxiny | i like dselect : it smells of history |
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| 17:21.22 | froek | netman86: do you have a stale lock file? |
| 17:21.26 | froek | see /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 17:21.31 | fxiny | so i guess , giving time , aptitude will be even greater |
| 17:21.33 | caverdude | Hello, I have an internet newsgroup question, are there IRC channels for the newsgroups, like usenet? |
| 17:21.46 | jordanm | netman86: fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 17:21.48 | froek | fxiny: something about the curses implementation that freaks me out |
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| 17:22.08 | caverdude | #usenet doenst have anyone in it on freenode |
| 17:22.17 | fxiny | froek: which one ? aptitude or dselect ? |
| 17:22.23 | froek | fxiny: dselect |
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| 17:22.42 | netman86 | froek- maybe? looks like removing that file (had nothing in it) allowed aptitude to do more, but it says the cache file is in use. |
| 17:22.42 | froek | aptitude/apt are my friend as they are just command line. I get lost in dselects' menus and stuff |
| 17:22.47 | abrotman | caverdude: maybe ask #defocus if such a channel exists somewhere |
| 17:22.56 | SparFux | froek: isn't aptitude the better modern way anyway? |
| 17:23.08 | fxiny | froek: i used dselect to put packages on hole in etch |
| 17:23.31 | manchot | what is the gcc C compiler pkg for debian lenny? |
| 17:23.36 | fxiny | but now , in lenny , aptitude and apt-get hold is synced , a thing i do appeciate |
| 17:23.40 | jordanm | netman86: I don't recall anyone suggesting you manually rm that file |
| 17:23.50 | fxiny | appreciate* |
| 17:23.57 | netman86 | it was empty, I could just as easily re-create it. |
| 17:24.05 | jordanm | yes, its always empty |
| 17:24.36 | abrotman | !b-e manchot |
| 17:24.36 | dpkg | manchot: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:24.59 | SparFux | This dpkg is a real smart ass :-) |
| 17:25.19 | jordanm | well, strangely enough there is a package called "gcc" |
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| 17:26.32 | caverdude | basically a newsgroup is to forums what irc is to chat |
| 17:26.52 | caverdude | you would think that there would be more than one newsgroup network by now |
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| 17:27.14 | jordanm | perhaps people preferred mailing lists instead? |
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| 17:27.34 | caverdude | maybe so |
| 17:27.40 | abrotman | caverdude: newsgroups have been dying for ages .. |
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| 17:28.12 | SparFux | Yeah, but why? |
| 17:28.38 | caverdude | forum apps maybe |
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| 17:28.46 | caverdude | or irc |
| 17:28.46 | abrotman | who cares .. back to Debian .. |
| 17:28.56 | SparFux | We want lots of different forums, each of which we need to subscribe for, to end up with milions of access data username / pw and all loads of differently managed forums? |
| 17:29.31 | jarray521 | In what language is the debian installer written? The text based one and the GUI. |
| 17:30.07 | dondelelcaro | jarray521: C and bash, some other things |
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| 17:30.45 | tharkun | If the Debian Installer when set up to install Lxde instead of gnome does not make the $HOME/Desktop directory is it a bug? And if so is it Lxde or Debian installer? |
| 17:30.48 | jordanm | jarray521: you can always apt-get source debian-installer and look for yourself |
| 17:30.54 | SparFux | Same with mailing lists. Each of them needs another login registration and mail reader configuration. |
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| 17:31.10 | jordanm | tharkun: I would expect that to be created on first login, not installation |
| 17:31.11 | jhutchins_lt | caverdude: Newsgroups suffer from some of the same faults as IRC; open, largely unmoderated, subject to trolls, quality control by clique. They're also a resource-intense method of communication with a high noise-to-signal ratio. |
| 17:31.14 | abrotman | !ot |
| 17:31.14 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 17:31.29 | SparFux | abrotman: got it. sorry |
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| 17:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | caverdude: There used to be a number of different networks with similar functions, but Usenet was so comprehensive that it absorbed them. |
| 17:32.09 | tharkun | jordanm: Well when the users logs in it is still not created. Therefore there is a bug? who is responsable for what on this case? |
| 17:32.12 | jarray521 | jordanm: thanks |
| 17:33.03 | jordanm | tharkun: well, I am not an lxde user, are you sure it uses ~/Desktop? |
| 17:33.11 | tharkun | yes |
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| 17:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: You can set up the Desktop directory in skel, but I would think it would only get created if lxde saves something like a link or a file for the desktop. |
| 17:33.45 | tharkun | jordanm: At least all Desktop links need to be stored there. |
| 17:33.59 | jordanm | tharkun: you can try #lxde on oftc |
| 17:34.07 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I can think of different ways of handling that than files in a folder. |
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| 17:35.22 | tharkun | jordanm: thx but they are a bit lettargic, and since i don't have a permanent conection :-( |
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| 17:36.08 | jordanm | recommends a shell account for IRC |
| 17:36.13 | caverdude | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
| 17:36.13 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: Me too, but i though that for a newby that has old hardware it might be an inconveniance |
| 17:36.14 | fxiny | abrotman: 2*1001=2002/60=33.36 hours a day |
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| 17:36.31 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Sorry 'bout that. |
| 17:36.53 | tharkun | jordanm: shell account?? |
| 17:37.29 | jordanm | tharkun: eg. http://sdf.lonestar.org/ |
| 17:37.33 | caverdude | irc has amaizingly good control, compared to like Yahoo Chat which is almost ruled by spam bots lol |
| 17:38.17 | fxiny | tharkun: old hardware with lxde ? still a problem . a tiling wm is the answer |
| 17:38.18 | abrotman | caverdude: please use #debian-offtopic if you want to continue this |
| 17:38.29 | jordanm | tharkun: or a cheap VPS |
| 17:39.39 | caverdude | jhutchins do you think that usenet is a bit harder to access compared to IRC? as in sometimes you had to pay for the service? |
| 17:39.39 | tharkun | fxiny: framebuffer is the answer, but i like to make the users happy (ran out of piano wire to "fix" them) |
| 17:39.40 | caverdude | oh ok abrotman |
| 17:39.59 | fxiny | tharkun: users don't like tiling , and visitors ;) |
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| 17:43.38 | tharkun | jordanm: cheap VPS, any suggestions? |
| 17:44.25 | jordanm | tharkun: erm, no, my usual recommendation (the host provider I use), dropped their < $10/mo plans |
| 17:45.12 | jordanm | tharkun: I have not used sdf.lonestar.org, but my aunt has for 15 or so years, and has told me good things |
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| 17:45.31 | fxiny | 15 years ! |
| 17:46.04 | jordanm | yep, they have been around a long time |
| 17:47.10 | fxiny | jordanm: seen my solution for rsync ? |
| 17:47.43 | fxiny | there's an --exclude-from=file option |
| 17:48.06 | zebradog | jordanm: lol |
| 17:48.14 | zebradog | tharkun: that's a solution for you |
| 17:48.20 | jordanm | fxiny: yes, I saw it in my highlight screen when I logged in this morning. good to hear you found a solution that works for you |
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| 17:48.57 | zebradog | fxiny: rsync has alot of options.. and it does take patience.. congrats :) |
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| 17:49.11 | zebradog | thinks fxiny is better than most newbies |
| 17:49.15 | fxiny | jordanm: it works for me , yes , but i'm waiting for the acid test : a real corrupted file . so far i've tested it by removing files |
| 17:49.57 | jordanm | fxiny: what was corrupting your files in the first place? nfs? |
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| 17:51.15 | fxiny | jordanm: dunno yet , temperature maybe , probably my hd is too old . found no badblocks yet |
| 17:51.26 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:51.30 | jhutchins_lt | caverdude: Happy to continue in #debian-offtopic if you want. |
| 17:51.35 | zebradog | fxiny: did you check dmesg? |
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| 17:52.13 | jordanm | fxiny: and smartmontools, if you disk supports smart |
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| 17:52.41 | fxiny | zebradog: nothing there , never , S.M.A.R.T said nothing but i don't actually care , i'm more interested in ways to avoid loss of data with files corruption |
| 17:52.54 | scottz_ | if I run a dpkg --set-selections < file, should apt-get dselect-upgrade remove the other packages I didn't have in my selections or do I have to do some clevarness? |
| 17:53.06 | fxiny | jordanm: it supports smart , yes |
| 17:53.11 | jordanm | !tell scottz_ about aptitude clone |
| 17:53.11 | thewanderer1 | guys, I have a rule like this |
| 17:53.16 | thewanderer1 | sudo iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -s 192.168.0.90 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 22 |
| 17:53.20 | scottz_ | jordanm: righteous |
| 17:53.35 | thewanderer1 | not working, but when I change DNAT to REDIRECT, then it works... any ideas? |
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| 17:54.09 | jordanm | thewanderer1: isn't REDIRECT actually what you are trying to do there? |
| 17:54.33 | thewanderer1 | I was told to use DNAT... shouldn't it work the same way? |
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| 17:54.49 | nsadmin | look in the docs for the semantic details of DNAT and REDIRECT, compare/contrast. that study could show why |
| 17:54.57 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I believe with DNAT your ports would be the same, but I am no expert. there is #netfilter that might be of better help |
| 17:55.06 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: it's working on one host, not working on another O.o |
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| 17:55.26 | fxiny | zebradog: so far i run rsync -avz first , then i have a whitelist.file with some filesnames and i run rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from=/home/fab/whitelist . the interesting thing is : i have many files with the same filename , in different dirs , with different data on it , just the name is the same . adding it to the whitelist rsync skip 'em all , it just read the filename , and is exaclty what i want |
| 17:55.30 | pickcoder | fxiny: did you look at the actual smart fields for error counts? |
| 17:55.35 | nsadmin | this is meant for routers not hosts |
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| 17:56.06 | zebradog | fxiny: i believe it is possible to lose files on ext3. it was about 3 months ago.. i was tinkering with similar names in the same directory.. I wonder if they're patching on that issue i had.. |
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| 17:56.11 | thewanderer1 | okay, I'll stick with REDIRECT... |
| 17:56.11 | abrotman | thewanderer1: #netfilter is a much better place |
| 17:56.19 | zebradog | fxiny: you said something about "." ? |
| 17:56.42 | fxiny | pickcoder: no clues , i noticed : when the hd is almost full and the temp goes up i get file corruption |
| 17:56.56 | manchot | how to make cron job run every 3 days? |
| 17:57.10 | scottz_ | jordanm: ok that doesn't really work |
| 17:57.15 | manchot | * * */3 * * ? |
| 17:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | manchot: No, not like that. |
| 17:57.30 | zebradog | fxiny: i think you should test it again and report it.. i believe it's possible ext3 filesystem can have screwed up logic with similar filenames.. especially if write/rewrite/delete of similar name is used.. which i had 3 months ago.. |
| 17:57.30 | fxiny | zebradog: oh you don't know my problem with rsync , i bet |
| 17:57.30 | pickcoder | look at the error and retry rate fields in the SMART table |
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| 17:57.43 | scottz_ | jordanm: that just installs what is missing, I want it to remove what is installed on my target but not on my reference |
| 17:57.49 | zebradog | fxiny: it's not necessarily rsync's problem.. |
| 17:57.52 | manchot | jhutchins_lt, then ? |
| 17:57.54 | jhutchins_lt | manchot: More like 0 0 */3 0 0 |
| 17:57.57 | zebradog | fxiny: but good luck anyways |
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| 17:58.16 | fxiny | zebradog: sure is not an rsync problem |
| 17:58.29 | fxiny | zebradog: ahhh tx , i will win in the end :) |
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| 17:58.35 | zebradog | fxiny: god |
| 17:58.37 | zebradog | good |
| 17:58.38 | zebradog | lol |
| 17:59.13 | jhutchins_lt | manchot: possibly 1 1 * */3 * |
| 17:59.28 | zebradog | once toyed around with 27 partitions, reportbug about losing a datafile with similarname, and got a reportbug response 2 years later |
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| 18:00.02 | zebradog | burps bugs can be nasty |
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| 18:00.24 | fxiny | zebradog: jumping bugs ;) |
| 18:00.26 | Trashi | hi. i have a problem with pure-ftpd. i try to chroot my virtualusers who comes from a mysql database with: /usr/local/sbin/pure-ftpd -l mysql:/etc/pure-mysql.conf -A ... but after i login i can move in all folders .. is there someone who can help? |
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| 18:01.51 | manchot | jhutchins_lt, I still think it is * * */3 * * |
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| 18:02.04 | manchot | every 5 minutes. */5 * * * * /home/user/test.pl |
| 18:02.11 | jhutchins_lt | man, no, that runs it every minute of every hour. |
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| 18:03.00 | manchot | jhutchins_lt, 1 1 */3 * * ? |
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| 18:04.15 | nsadmin | that would be 1:01 am every third day |
| 18:04.20 | jhutchins_lt | manchot: I'm not positive how the */ functions in the dow column, should work either dow or dom. |
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| 18:04.38 | jhutchins_lt | The man page will probably explain the difference. |
| 18:04.44 | froek | SparFux: yes, it is :) |
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| 18:06.52 | fxiny | ohh f* ! he said "write/rewrite/delete of similar name" and is exactly what's happening to me ! it could be ext3 fs buggy |
| 18:07.26 | fxiny | maybe it triggers when the hd is almost full |
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| 18:08.53 | fxiny | duplicated inodes ! |
| 18:09.06 | fxiny | that's the fsck report |
| 18:09.14 | fxiny | ahhhhhh |
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| 18:10.30 | thewanderer1 | okay guys, got the HTTP to SSH script working, now where is Innocentus? :P |
| 18:11.23 | fxiny | with the lambs singing ;) |
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| 18:13.06 | fxiny | thewanderer1: some tunnell on steroids ? |
| 18:14.32 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: iptables redirect that allows you to connect to SSH over port 80 |
| 18:14.34 | fxiny | and i removed dir_index . huuuuuu seeing the light :) |
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| 18:15.47 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i do that with a shorewall conf line ;) |
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| 18:16.25 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: yes, but you don't have a HTML form that does that just for one source IP address so that you can connect from a cafe where only port 80 outgoing is open :P |
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| 18:16.42 | fxiny | thewanderer1: nice ! |
| 18:17.16 | thewanderer1 | it is basically a solution to his problem, he complained he couldn't connect to SSH from web cafes :P |
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| 18:18.43 | froek | loves ssh redirects |
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| 18:23.28 | fxiny | thewanderer1: like scroogle form ? |
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| 18:23.53 | tharkun | thewanderer1: Why are you going into so much trouble when you can instruc sshd of that machine to listen also on port 80? |
| 18:24.54 | tharkun | You can use it as a gateway for everyother server in the world? |
| 18:24.56 | fxiny | tharkun : the cafe' are evil like java |
| 18:25.28 | tharkun | fxiny: They might be evil, but why get a complicated solution when you can have a simple one? |
| 18:25.30 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: because some people need to have a httpd on port 80... |
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| 18:26.12 | thewanderer1 | and I really doubt my customers/visitors will want to open an SSH tunnel just to see my website |
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| 18:26.39 | quiritius | so.. i have a perfect system with only a suspend glitch running 2.6.32 staple kernel and i have a perfect system with 2.6.34 liquorix kernel WITOHOUT suspend glitch. the only problem is the wifi and nvidia drivers are compiled against one OR the other. is there a way to have both kernels properly configured to boot with drivers at the same time? |
| 18:27.07 | fxiny | liquorix ? |
| 18:27.13 | quiritius | yes |
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| 18:28.01 | quiritius | the drivers work with one or the other, but not with both/ |
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| 18:28.33 | fxiny | can .34 use .32 dirvers ? |
| 18:29.24 | thewanderer1 | no |
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| 18:29.37 | fxiny | thewanderer1: ^^^ |
| 18:29.45 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 18:29.49 | quiritius | fxiny: nope. the .32 drop to tty and not load to gdm, if the .34 is properly configured. |
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| 18:30.01 | Innocentus | question: is ntp (network time protocol for time sync) already available in the standard installation of a debian lenny? |
| 18:30.29 | Innocentus | There are many packages / ways - maybe even already integrated into the core of debian so I want to know how to determine if a server is already equipped with ntp? |
| 18:30.34 | neoice | Innocentus: avalible in the repos, probably not in default installs |
| 18:30.43 | neoice | lsof -i :123 ?? |
| 18:31.40 | quiritius | i'm not expecting any visible boost from liquorix .34 kernel, but waking up from suspend is certainly fixed there. |
| 18:32.18 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: by the way, I've just written a web script that authenticates you and redirects subsequent packets on port 80 to SSH |
| 18:32.42 | Innocentus | oh yea |
| 18:32.47 | Innocentus | can you pass it to me? :) |
| 18:32.51 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 18:33.27 | thewanderer1 | let's take it to PM |
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| 18:35.35 | jefferai | I've updated to testing and ran apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:35.38 | jefferai | which seemed to go smoothly |
| 18:35.49 | jefferai | but now, when using the 2.6.32 kernel I can't boot |
| 18:35.55 | abrotman | which .32 kernel ? |
| 18:35.56 | jefferai | the 2.6.25 kernel I had from lenny boots fine, with root on LVM |
| 18:36.05 | fxiny | 25 ? |
| 18:36.15 | jefferai | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 18:36.26 | jefferai | it complains that it can't find the lvm volumes |
| 18:36.35 | jefferai | and drops me to a shell in the initramfs |
| 18:37.07 | foetus | #irssi is speechless :) |
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| 18:37.38 | jefferai | fxiny: sorry, the lenny kernel that works is 2.6.26-2 |
| 18:37.52 | jefferai | (but udev complains because of deprecated sysfs) |
| 18:38.02 | jordanm | !udev squeeze |
| 18:38.03 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 18:38.13 | jefferai | jordanm: I'm aware of that |
| 18:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | jefferai: Congratulations! Your testing successfully found a problem! |
| 18:38.27 | jefferai | jhutchins_lt: heh |
| 18:38.55 | jhutchins_lt | jefferai: That's the reason you're running it, right, to help find problems? |
| 18:39.10 | jefferai | No, the reason I'm running it is because someone asked me to set it up for them with testing |
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| 18:39.22 | jordanm | it obviously was not because he wanted his machine to continue running smoothly :) |
| 18:39.25 | jefferai | and rather than start afresh, I took a very minimal image I had |
| 18:39.29 | jefferai | and upgraded |
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| 18:39.34 | jefferai | which leads me to here :-) |
| 18:39.38 | jefferai | jordanm: right |
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| 18:44.35 | foetus | five stars to the man who gives me the solution reducing the 10-20 attempts of irssi to 1 connecting freenode via proxy.. |
| 18:45.21 | frostschutz | use a better proxy? |
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| 18:45.56 | foetus | better than squid? |
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| 18:46.37 | foetus | squid is not irssi :) |
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| 18:47.27 | foetus | but curious action of irssi. |
| 18:48.20 | foetus | after that - all fine, however. |
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| 18:49.24 | gps23 | when i am trying to install Virtualbox, it is complaining that i have to first install headers for my current kernel. how can i do that? there arn't any headers for the kernel version i am using (2.6.32-3-686) |
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| 18:50.03 | moldovean | gps23, update your kernel |
| 18:50.12 | jordanm | gps23: update your kernel to the current version, reboot, install headers |
| 18:50.24 | gps23 | moldovean: i did aptitude update and then aptitude full-upgrade, kernel isn't upgrading |
| 18:50.46 | jordanm | gps23: usually means you don't have the meta package installed. install linux-image-686 |
| 18:51.43 | foetus | gps23: whats with compiling your own one ? |
| 18:52.17 | foetus | gps23: then you have the headers and libs you need. |
| 18:52.30 | jordanm | foetus: and it will be done in only 5 hours! |
| 18:52.41 | jordanm | and he gets to do it all the time, since he will be managing his own kernel security |
| 18:52.47 | abrotman | gps23: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 18:53.03 | foetus | jordanm: with an i386, maybe :) |
| 18:53.15 | gps23 | jordanm: there isn't linux-image for 2.6.32-3, do you mean i should install the linux-image-2.6.32-5 instead? |
| 18:53.27 | jordanm | foetus: he could spend 5 hours just in menuconfig... |
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| 18:53.41 | foetus | haha.. |
| 18:53.50 | jordanm | gps23: linux-image-686 like I said earlier, and abrotman just mentioned |
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| 18:54.57 | fxiny | foetus: could the --port command help ? |
| 18:55.06 | MrMaDSeN | http://pastebin.ca/1909522 |
| 18:55.07 | gps23 | jordanm: oh i got, linux-image-686 automatically fetched 2.6.32-5-686. i hope it solves the problems |
| 18:55.15 | gps23 | jordanm: abrotman thanks |
| 18:55.21 | MrMaDSeN | any clues.. howto roll back those packages? |
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| 18:56.39 | jordanm | MrMaDSeN: your about halfway into testing, and you want to go back to lenny? |
| 18:56.43 | jordanm | you're |
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| 18:56.51 | jordanm | looks at abrotman |
| 18:56.58 | gps23 | foetus: i would have compiled my own one too, but i was perplexed with this missing headers problems |
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| 18:57.56 | MrMaDSeN | jordanm: yes.. cause bitlbee 1.2.8 didnt install properly... so I upgrade 1 package.. and i fucked it up |
| 18:58.01 | foetus | gps23: the headers you need are in /usr/src/linux then..(i hope) |
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| 18:58.47 | jordanm | MrMaDSeN: ha! and that one package was libc6? |
| 18:58.50 | foetus | but there is a package linux-headers imho (maybe i'm wrong) |
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| 18:59.05 | MrMaDSeN | Jordanm yes... unfortunately |
| 18:59.09 | jordanm | foetus: linux-headers-<arch> |
| 18:59.16 | gps23 | foetus: i think they would have been in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 18:59.47 | foetus | gps23: yes. |
| 18:59.58 | jordanm | MrMaDSeN: install the old libc6 version with dpkg -i from /var/lib/apt/archives hope you have backups |
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| 19:00.20 | jordanm | MrMaDSeN: also, remove the package that required libc6 from testing |
| 19:00.58 | gps23 | foetus: i just hope i don't have to do anything else. spent whole evening try to figure out the error by virtual box and downloading its various version from website |
| 19:01.43 | mo_o | hey guys! does preseeding resolve package dependencies? |
| 19:01.44 | gps23 | foetus: and also cursing myself for using 'testing' |
| 19:01.56 | jordanm | if you didn't need rdp, or the ability to give the guest a usb device, then you could have just installed virtualbox-ose |
| 19:02.13 | foetus | gps23: :) thats for sure |
| 19:02.55 | gps23 | jordanm: that was also giving error about missing modules. the same error mention in this (wanna be) bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584680 |
| 19:03.05 | gps23 | s/mention/mentioned |
| 19:03.52 | foetus | gps23: i never compiled virtualbox myself, used the installer - works not bad.. |
| 19:05.13 | MrMaDSeN | Jordanm like I can remember which one that was tsk |
| 19:05.34 | gps23 | foetus: i am also using it happily on my desktop. its also debian testing. but its 64 bit. it started giving installation problem when i tried to install it on laptop. tried virtualbox-ose itself first of all |
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| 19:08.53 | foetus | gps23: ah, 64bit.. than its not easy. |
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| 19:16.24 | foetus | i must logout, i'm concurrencing myself..:) |
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| 19:19.16 | rabbott | Quick question, trying to run rsync to copy files from a JFS partition to a mounted network drive SMB/CIFS but receive the following error: |
| 19:19.19 | rabbott | rsync: chown "/mnt/backup/Public/./Accounting" failed: Invalid argument (22) |
| 19:20.22 | jordanm | rabbott: does the remote filesystem support UNIX permissions? |
| 19:20.23 | rabbott | any ideas how to firsync: chown "/mnt/backup/Public/./Accounting" failed: Invalid argument (22) |
| 19:20.30 | rabbott | whoops sorry bout that |
| 19:20.37 | rabbott | remote filesystem == NTFS |
| 19:20.55 | jordanm | rabbott: then the answer is no. chown deals with unix permissions and ntfs does not have them |
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| 19:21.08 | rabbott | so how do I work around this :-\ |
| 19:21.10 | jordanm | you can not preserve ownership and permissions unless to tar before sending it to ntfs |
| 19:21.42 | rabbott | Hm, can I have it tar the partition and save it onto the ntfs partition? |
| 19:21.52 | rabbott | well tar the contents of the partition |
| 19:22.28 | rabbott | rsync -avzO --progress /storage/ServerShare/* /mnt/backup/Public/. |
| 19:22.32 | rabbott | that's what i'm using right now |
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| 19:24.05 | rabbott | jordanm: how would I tar the files up before sending it to the ntfs share/ |
| 19:24.06 | jordanm | rabbott: you could backup to a real filesystem... |
| 19:25.41 | rabbott | jordanm: Well just realized, taring the files won't help much either since the content of the JFS mount changes daily... the destination is NTFS because it's one of those Western Digital NFS drives that you can't change the formatting on |
| 19:25.50 | jordanm | rabbott: tar cvjf /mnt/backup/Public/backup.tar.bz2 /storage/ServerShare |
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| 19:26.05 | jordanm | rabbott: well, send it back and buy something that is not shit |
| 19:26.13 | jordanm | many NAS devices are ext formatted |
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| 19:26.39 | rabbott | can't it's not mine, trying to setup a backup for a company who already purchased the equipment and wants it to "work" / claims that it's my job to make it work |
| 19:27.02 | rabbott | even though i've told them the better solution would just be to get an external drive that is USB that I can format as EXT2 or such |
| 19:27.27 | jordanm | rabbott: which means that its not *my* job, unless they are interested hiring someone who can get it done... |
| 19:27.33 | jordanm | backing up to usb... also shit |
| 19:27.45 | jordanm | would really like a job |
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| 19:29.48 | rabbott | lol well i guess my biggest issue is trying to figure out if it's even possible... the somewhat sucky part is i'm not exactly being paid to do this either, this was one of those 'after-thoughts' of "since you setup the samba server, could you have it back up for us to this drive we supply" |
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| 19:30.48 | rabbott | the drive is a rsync -avzO --progress /storage/ServerShare/* /mnt/backup/Public/. |
| 19:30.51 | rabbott | whoops |
| 19:31.53 | rabbott | WDG1NC10000 |
| 19:32.42 | rabbott | i'm guessing no "easy" way of copying the files over? |
| 19:32.44 | greycat | the model number doesn't really matter; what matters is how it's accessed (local direct file system mount, Samba mount, NFS mount, etc.) |
| 19:33.07 | rabbott | //10.0.100.15/Public /mnt/backup smbfs username=root,password= 0 0 |
| 19:33.14 | rabbott | if that helps |
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| 19:33.56 | jordanm | greycat: its an NTFS drive from what I understand, he needs to preserve permissions for backup |
| 19:34.06 | jordanm | and tar was not acceptable (not sure why?) |
| 19:34.18 | greycat | I don't know much about Samba. |
| 19:34.30 | greycat | or SMB or CIFS or whatever the question really is |
| 19:34.41 | rabbott | jordanm: According to WD, it's formatted EXT but the web interface says NTFS |
| 19:35.08 | greycat | the ... model number ... somehow indicated the connectivity? |
| 19:35.09 | jordanm | rabbott: well, perhaps SMB/CIFS doesn't like unix permissions |
| 19:35.15 | rabbott | and well, it's supposed to do an incremental backup once a day at 12 midnight of a server share to the external NAS |
| 19:35.32 | rabbott | greycat: looked up the PDF manual online for the drive |
| 19:36.06 | rabbott | unfortunatally I dont think tar will allow me to only copy over the files that have changed, and will instead copy everything over |
| 19:36.07 | greycat | So it's essentially a dumbed-down Windows server wrapped around a hard drive, and you wanted to back up Linux system with it? |
| 19:36.20 | jordanm | rabbott: did you try searching man tar for incremental? |
| 19:36.21 | rabbott | basically all it is |
| 19:36.36 | greycat | Can you send it back and get a USB hard drive instead and attach it directly to the machine? |
| 19:37.03 | rabbott | greycat: no, they have had the drive for over a year / want me to use the existing 1TB NAS since they do not want to spend more money |
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| 19:39.47 | rabbott | I beleive the drive *may* be formatted with EXT but perhaps it's the way i'm mounting it then? |
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| 19:41.09 | thewanderer1 | I think UNIX permissions don't work very well with Samba |
| 19:41.25 | rabbott | all it says in the manual for the NAS is: "Format and Configuration |
| 19:41.29 | rabbott | My Book World Edition is preformatted as a Linux file system. |
| 19:41.31 | rabbott | " |
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| 19:42.15 | rabbott | is there a way to omit permissions in the rsync copy? |
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| 19:42.50 | thewanderer1 | I think it's called cp |
| 19:42.54 | greycat | you'd think that would be automatic if the destination file system doesn't support permissions.... |
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| 19:43.20 | thewanderer1 | well, rsync seems not very tolerant |
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| 19:43.31 | rabbott | greycat: agreed, but after it copies all the files over, the next time it runs, it tries to recopy them in order to set the permissions again |
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| 19:43.46 | greycat | the rsync manual is 3464 lines long on lenny. I'm sure there's SOME way to tell it... |
| 19:43.49 | rabbott | and it fails again, causing those files to be copied, but marked "not copied" for the next time it's run |
| 19:44.16 | greycat | did you try asking #rsync? |
| 19:44.27 | rabbott | didn't think to try that but I'll give it a shot |
| 19:44.31 | greycat | (after searching the manual and google, of course) |
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| 19:45.07 | rabbott | well I searched google and found nothing but lots and lots of bugs of people saying there's no real way to do it because SMB doesn't support long file names / permission changes well |
| 19:45.11 | foetus | ok, irc via proxy rocks..after seven retries :) |
| 19:45.11 | mo_o | how do i answer |
| 19:45.22 | mo_o | to custom questions with pressed? |
| 19:46.04 | thewanderer1 | --no-p should disable permission |
| 19:46.27 | greycat | from /topic #rsync -> http://sanitarium.net/rsyncfaq/ -> "Q: Rsync seems to want to update every file even though they are all the same" -> "A3: If rsync shows ownership, group, or permission changes and you are running with --archive then you are probably writing to a filesystem (like FAT or CIFS) that does not support those attributes." |
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| 19:46.48 | greycat | it doesn't expound on that, so maybe they want you NOT to use --archive |
| 19:46.51 | thewanderer1 | --no-permissions |
| 19:47.06 | rabbott | hm |
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| 19:47.13 | thewanderer1 | it's crap, really |
| 19:47.20 | foetus | strange. |
| 19:47.22 | thewanderer1 | can't you just create a big file and ext3 inside? |
| 19:47.23 | jordanm | thewanderer1: as I understood, no permissions are implied unless you explictly state it |
| 19:47.36 | jordanm | thewanderer1: you can make a tar archive |
| 19:47.49 | thewanderer1 | --archive implies --permission |
| 19:47.53 | greycat | he wanted to avoid doing a full backup every time |
| 19:47.57 | jordanm | yep |
| 19:47.57 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 19:48.01 | pha | Hello, I am trying to login to my pc from work, but I seem to have made a mistake ---- Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available |
| 19:48.06 | thewanderer1 | my advice is: create a proper ext3 filesystem and mount it. |
| 19:48.09 | pha | Anyone know how I would go around fixing this issue? |
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| 19:48.10 | rabbott | so -rltgoD (leaving out -p) |
| 19:48.15 | rabbott | instead of -a |
| 19:48.21 | jordanm | thewanderer1: that was my initial suggestion |
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| 19:49.03 | thewanderer1 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/samba/filesystem.ext3 bs=1024k count=60 && mkfs.ext3 /mnt/samba/filesystem.ext3 |
| 19:49.09 | thewanderer1 | then you mount it |
| 19:49.12 | pha | I initially thought it was my sshd_config file - but it looks the exact same as my laptop. |
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| 19:50.33 | greycat | I'd be afraid the performance of a loopback-mounted huge file on a CIFS share would be horrendous. |
| 19:50.44 | greycat | But I haven't tried it. |
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| 19:51.01 | rabbott | rsync -rltgoDvzO --no-p --progress /storage/ServerShare/* /mnt/backup/Public/. |
| 19:51.01 | rabbott | rsync -rltgoDvzO --no-p --progress /storage/ServerShare/* /mnt/backup/Public/. |
| 19:51.03 | rabbott | still fails |
| 19:51.41 | jordanm | rabbott: -l, NTFS does not support symlinks |
| 19:51.52 | rabbott | so no lt |
| 19:51.56 | jordanm | time is also handled differently |
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| 19:52.08 | rabbott | and o should be left out |
| 19:52.12 | rabbott | (owner) |
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| 19:52.22 | rabbott | so rgDvzO |
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| 19:52.32 | rabbott | err |
| 19:52.36 | rabbott | so rDvzO |
| 19:52.41 | rabbott | g = preserve group |
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| 19:53.29 | greycat | You do realize that should you ever need to *restore* this backup, and it's missing all the users/groups/permissions, it might be quite bad for you. |
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| 19:53.46 | greycat | Unless you're doing a separate metadata backup of some kind. |
| 19:53.56 | jordanm | greycat: didn't sound like he will be around for the restore part.... |
| 19:54.01 | jordanm | :P |
| 19:54.11 | rabbott | lol |
| 19:54.29 | rabbott | greycat: the purpose is more of a worst-case scenario that if they need to access a specific file |
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| 19:55.12 | rabbott | i mean the server has *one* user that all 5 machines are using to modify / create files on the server share |
| 19:55.32 | jordanm | that sounds terrible... |
| 19:55.36 | rabbott | so worst case scenario, it takes a really really really long time to chmod and chown it all back to that user |
| 19:55.43 | jordanm | what stop one user from deleting all the files? |
| 19:55.44 | greycat | so this is only a backup of some data partition, not of the OS |
| 19:55.51 | rabbott | greycat: Correct |
| 19:55.58 | rabbott | it's a backup of a backup really... :-\ |
| 19:56.18 | greycat | jordanm: ignorance, usually. |
| 19:56.36 | rabbott | they publish a small local newspaper, and they use the server to backup each edition after it's published |
| 19:56.38 | greycat | jordanm: in some cases, luck. |
| 19:56.41 | rabbott | so it's basically an archive |
| 19:56.51 | rabbott | lots of large adobe illustrator files |
| 19:56.58 | rabbott | 200MB + |
| 19:57.32 | rabbott | so basically the "owner" is the same on all the files, so if I had to restore, it shouldn't prove too difficult... just time consuming |
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| 19:58.23 | jordanm | who needs ACLs when there is company policy that says you are fired if you do A? |
| 19:58.39 | rabbott | what do you mean? |
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| 19:59.27 | jordanm | rabbott: I suppose I was going more into greycat's point... ignorance and luck |
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| 20:01.27 | rabbott | Oh... how's it ignorance and luck though? basically all this external is goign to be is god forbid the drive inside the machine crashes, i can restore the files back to a new 1TB drive really the purpose of the rsync cron job is to just check to see what's been modified since yesterday, and update the external NAS with those modifications... if that drive did fail, i'd just have to reverse the direction of the rsync, no? |
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| 20:02.03 | rabbott | and then chown everything back to the user that all the windows machines mount the drive as |
| 20:02.07 | greycat | I'm sure you'll be fine. |
| 20:02.14 | rabbott | Aight. |
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| 20:02.40 | jordanm | rabbott: I was referring to your users, and the "single user" strategy. not the backup plan and recovery plan |
| 20:02.45 | rabbott | i'm going to try a restore anyway to blank media afterwards (a 1TB USB of my own) just to make sure it will work |
| 20:03.32 | rabbott | Oh, Eh, the "single user" strategy is better than the "everyone logs into a shared windows directory with no username and password that is hosted on one of the machine's desktops" |
| 20:03.40 | rabbott | (thats what was here prior) |
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| 20:03.53 | thewanderer1 | guys, it's pretty funny, rsync's mailing lists are hosted by the Samba project :P |
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| 20:04.32 | rabbott | and forget about them trying to remember more than one user / password combination, :-\ |
| 20:04.42 | tharkun | rabbott: rsync -a will keep permission and all the related stuff |
| 20:04.56 | greycat | tharkun: that appears to have been his problem, yes. He was using -a. |
| 20:05.04 | rabbott | yep |
| 20:05.05 | jordanm | tharkun: read the scrollback! |
| 20:05.12 | homie | does unzip -a --aa not supposed to convert all /r/n to /n when on linux ? |
| 20:05.13 | rabbott | it seems to be working fine as of right now... |
| 20:05.28 | homie | or does it rely on some other program like dos2unix ? |
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| 20:05.47 | rabbott | in theory, if i stopped the rsync right now where it's at, if i re-run the command, it should just continue where it left off, right? |
| 20:05.59 | greycat | I doubt very much they'd assume an external command, especially one as nonstandard as dos2unix. |
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| 20:06.25 | homie | so ok then it does not work here |
| 20:06.27 | greycat | rabbott: there'll be another startup pass where it reads the directories and so on |
| 20:06.50 | homie | it converts without effect |
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| 20:06.58 | greycat | rabbott: and according to that rsync FAQ, it can't copy partial files onto network drives, so it'll have to restart any interrupted file |
| 20:06.58 | rabbott | ah, so it'll read them but 'skip' them if they're unchanged in otherwords? |
| 20:07.34 | homie | at least file tells me no changes on the unpacked files |
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| 20:07.56 | homie | and when i cat them i see some nonstandard chars embedded |
| 20:08.11 | rabbott | :-\ nope, i did a CTRL-C and just restarted the command and it's copying each file over again :( |
| 20:08.17 | homie | like a ? but witch bold background |
| 20:08.21 | homie | with |
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| 20:08.33 | thewanderer1 | rabbott: doesn't rsync just rely on inodes? |
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| 20:08.51 | greycat | imadev:~$ printf 'DOS line ending\r\n' > foo; zip foo.zip foo; unzip -a -aa foo.zip; od -t x1 foo |
| 20:08.55 | greycat | 0000000 44 4f 53 20 6c 69 6e 65 20 65 6e 64 69 6e 67 a |
| 20:08.57 | rabbott | thewanderer1: what do you mean? |
| 20:09.05 | homie | extended ascii file with CRLF line endings |
| 20:09.08 | greycat | It removed the CR from my file for me. |
| 20:09.47 | homie | ah |
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| 20:10.04 | homie | NON-ISO extended-ascii C program text file |
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| 20:11.14 | thewanderer1 | rabbott: I wonder, too. It is supposed to make hardlinks, no? |
| 20:11.15 | greycat | granted, that wasn't a Debian box |
| 20:11.15 | thewanderer1 | or is it just replacing the old contents? |
| 20:11.16 | rabbott | I think it's replacing the old contents |
| 20:11.16 | greycat | rabbott: it can't make hardlinks on CIFS |
| 20:11.17 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 20:11.17 | rabbott | greycat: so basically i might as well just run 'cp' instead of rsync since it's not actually resuming anything |
| 20:11.17 | thewanderer1 | one basic question is: how does it determine if a file has changed? |
| 20:11.18 | greycat | rabbott: it will skip WHOLE FILES that weren't interrupted |
| 20:11.18 | thewanderer1 | it does not compute a checksum, that would be expensive |
| 20:11.18 | rabbott | greycat: it copied 3 large WHOLE files, that copied successfully, then interrupted the 4th.... it re-copied all 3 WHOLE files again |
| 20:11.23 | greycat | Here's the output line from the zip/unzip test on a Debian system: 0000000 44 4f 53 20 6c 69 6e 65 20 65 6e 64 69 6e 67 0a |
| 20:11.25 | jordanm | thewanderer1: mtime maybe? |
| 20:11.26 | greycat | It still removed the CR. |
| 20:12.03 | rabbott | so it's almost like it is just strictly copying them over and not actually resuming |
| 20:12.17 | greycat | rabbott: in your use case, the goal is to skip as many whole files as possible. |
| 20:12.26 | rabbott | rsync -rDz --no-p --progress /storage/ServerShare/* /mnt/backup/Public/. |
| 20:12.29 | rabbott | that's what i'm using |
| 20:12.34 | greycat | you won't expect to resume a single interrupted file. so, avoid interrupting it. |
| 20:13.19 | rabbott | greycat: but it shouldn't be re-copying the 3 files that are 4.8GB a piece though if they copied successfully? no? |
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| 20:13.43 | greycat | one would hope not. |
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| 20:14.08 | thewanderer1 | rabbott: if you were rsync, how would you behave? you would check the mtime and so on, you could try that... |
| 20:14.25 | thewanderer1 | perhaps there's a clock desync |
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| 20:16.58 | homie | so it removes CRLF line endings actually, but leaves the encoding |
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| 20:17.31 | rabbott | well that's the thing that makes me wonder then, what is it checking? user permissions? |
| 20:17.31 | rabbott | lol |
| 20:17.32 | rabbott | basically every time it starts, it copies all 3 huge files to start, even though they were successfuly copied over |
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| 20:18.04 | rabbott | ah, -c skips based on checksum not modtime and permissions |
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| 20:20.18 | rabbott | should I preserve hard-links? |
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