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| 07:17.06 | balkan | hi there, can anyone please explain to me how do I download source package of vlc? I want to make some modification to the source and then re-package it.. |
| 07:17.41 | balkan | I am using squeeze |
| 07:18.11 | SPF | balkan: http://wiki.videolan.org/Subversion |
| 07:18.11 | leonord | trying to add printer to cups through the localhost interface. after selecting 'HP', a list of only 9 HP printers are listed but without my model which is F380. how to get a more comprehensive list? |
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| 07:19.23 | balkan | SPF: if I use git repos of videolan, somehow after compile my vlc cannot render udp streams while vlc caming from package able to do it |
| 07:19.44 | balkan | that's why I need to know how debian developers compile vlc |
| 07:19.59 | alcohol | morning people |
| 07:21.39 | pres | Late night where I am! ;-) |
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| 07:25.03 | leonord | where to locate the ppd file for my printer? |
| 07:25.26 | quiritius | ,versions libmp4ff-dev |
| 07:25.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libmp4ff-dev' was found. |
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| 07:36.55 | nkuttler | balkan: apt-get source and check the rules file |
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| 07:42.06 | balkan | nkuttler: thanks! |
| 07:42.44 | ecolitan | how can i test a machine for rustock spam bot? |
| 07:43.05 | yang | I have an issue with iceweasel it stopped playing Youtube videos, these are the packages which I have installed http://pastebin.com/9fPPMDr4 |
| 07:44.25 | balkan | nkuttler: can I use rules file as Makefile or should I do something before? |
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| 07:48.13 | yang | it happened only recently with system upgrade |
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| 07:56.21 | thewanderer1 | any real alternative to LDAP when it comes to account storage? |
| 07:56.41 | nkuttler | balkan: iirc just run them. debian/rules binary |
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| 08:28.47 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 08:28.51 | Innocentus | hehe |
| 08:28.59 | Innocentus | anyone online AND - the more important thing - has an ear for me? |
| 08:30.13 | nsadmin | that depends |
| 08:30.19 | iceroot | Innocentus: just ask the question |
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| 08:30.31 | nsadmin | are you a sicco? |
| 08:30.40 | Innocentus | ok - what Server API would be the fastest for PHP? |
| 08:30.59 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 08:30.59 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 08:31.36 | nsadmin | oh, I don't do web apps in php, and I don't know the internals of it |
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| 08:32.56 | i_am_deviant | would anyone please pastebin for me `dpkg --listfile tunctl` |
| 08:32.58 | i_am_deviant | ? |
| 08:33.12 | nsadmin | or you could install apt-file :) |
| 08:33.30 | i_am_deviant | iirc if --listfiles does what i mean (same as `rpm -ql tunctl`) |
| 08:33.31 | nsadmin | or you could look at packages.debian.org |
| 08:33.52 | i_am_deviant | nsadmin: well, why do you think that i am fool? :D |
| 08:34.10 | i_am_deviant | nsadmin: thanks for pointing me to packages.debian.org |
| 08:34.51 | nsadmin | well before you mentioned being a fool, I wasn't thinking in that direction... but now that you mention it... |
| 08:34.52 | nsadmin | j/k :) |
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| 08:35.39 | nsadmin | anyway, before you completely ignore what apt-file can do, you might look into it. |
| 08:35.53 | nlko | hey, i have exim set up locally, and can send local messages, my mx record points to my domain but i am not recieving remote mail, any ideas? |
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| 08:35.58 | i_am_deviant | nsadmin: pff. i still can't find a list of files in package containg tunctl (uml-utilities) |
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| 08:37.04 | nsadmin | also, posting a command line involving rpm is meaningless here, so you'll have to actually say what that does (so that when you are considering a do-what-I-mean you communicate exactly what you mean) |
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| 08:37.40 | i_am_deviant | nsadmin: 10:06 < i_am_deviant> iirc if --listfiles does what i mean (same as `rpm -ql tunctl`) |
| 08:37.52 | i_am_deviant | nsadmin: well, what is unclear for you please? |
| 08:38.12 | SlayerXP | nsadmin: I think you'll find that most of the competent people here are fluent with several package managers. |
| 08:38.45 | i_am_deviant | anyway, i'll very appreciate if someone would show me output from "dpkg --listfiles $(dpkg -L `which tunctl`)" |
| 08:39.02 | nsadmin | SlayerXP: the point is no one has to be in order to support anyone, they can claim total ignorance even if they -wrote- rpm if they so desire |
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| 08:39.37 | i_am_deviant | sorry, i do not have debian, so i'm not 100% sure of dpkg switches because of my memory holes |
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| 08:40.56 | babilen | i_am_deviant: You can either explain what kind of output you want, or use the resources already pointed out to you. The command you gave will not work. |
| 08:41.22 | nsadmin | so if you don't have debian, the comment before that you made about me thinking you a fool is also meaningless? |
| 08:41.44 | nsadmin | let's try this... |
| 08:42.05 | i_am_deviant | babilen: list of files of package containg tunctl tool for debian |
| 08:42.05 | nsadmin | !find bin/tunctl |
| 08:42.12 | nsadmin | to get the package name |
| 08:42.13 | i_am_deviant | babilen: thanks |
| 08:42.24 | babilen | ,file /usr/bin/tunctl |
| 08:42.28 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 08:42.42 | nsadmin | , file bin/tunctl |
| 08:42.46 | judd | bin/tunctl in lenny/i386: uml-utilities: usr/sbin/tunctl |
| 08:43.03 | babilen | nsadmin: :-) |
| 08:43.08 | nsadmin | so you want a listing of the stored files in that package |
| 08:43.10 | babilen | i_am_deviant: There you go ^^^ |
| 08:43.17 | nsadmin | notice judd leaves off the leading / |
| 08:43.26 | nsadmin | exactly as tar does |
| 08:44.06 | nsadmin | I think he mentioned that package |
| 08:44.10 | petemc | tar complains about it, does it now strip it automaticallu? |
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| 08:44.28 | babilen | i_am_deviant: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/uml-utilities/filelist |
| 08:44.45 | nsadmin | really? he couldn't find that? |
| 08:44.50 | babilen | i_am_deviant: I don't quite see why *I* had to go to packages.debian.org and search for that package, but well :) |
| 08:44.59 | nsadmin | I'm really rethinking the j/k before |
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| 08:45.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tunctl' (1): (/usr/sbin/tunctl) in otherosfs/uml-utilities. |
| 08:45.41 | nsadmin | dpkg! buddy! |
| 08:45.57 | babilen | dpkg: You are slow - but thanks! |
| 08:45.57 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 08:46.14 | nsadmin | dpkg: you most certainly do |
| 08:46.14 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 08:46.27 | Trekki | babilen: hi there, I hope you remember me. Iâm Touchpad boy from yesterday :) |
| 08:46.48 | babilen | how could I forget a touchpad boy? :-\ |
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| 08:47.27 | Trekki | anyway, you asked where I got my xorg.conf from. Well, itâs "my own" which evolved over the years when I was on Gentoo |
| 08:47.34 | nsadmin | I have a pretty strong feeling the poor non-debian-using guy is ignoring both of us |
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| 08:48.23 | babilen | Trekki: You might want to start over -- a lot has changed and a xorg.conf like ours is typically not needed anymore |
| 08:48.34 | reklipz | Does anyone here have media keys working in VLC? I can't get them to work with my Logitech G15. |
| 08:48.35 | Trekki | hm... |
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| 08:48.54 | babilen | Trekki: But good that it works now and what else would you want? |
| 08:49.21 | Trekki | I tried it without xorg.conf yewsterday. and it didnât really solve my problem, I only got into X with a wrong resolution, |
| 08:49.38 | Trekki | ehrm... my problem still persists |
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| 08:50.03 | babilen | Trekki: Huhâ½ |
| 08:50.45 | Trekki | according to lshal, my touchpad is /dev/input/event9, so I changed the conf accordingly, restarted X, but the log still says "Touchpad: no supported touchpad found" |
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| 08:55.16 | BasiumDeJudas | good morning. |
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| 08:56.52 | babilen | Trekki: I would rather think that /dev/input/event9 refers to one of the buttons of your touchpad -- Don't specify that and xorg should figure it out automagically |
| 08:57.27 | BasiumDeJudas | hello i was wondering how do i add mor reops? |
| 08:57.29 | babilen | Trekki: But we might want to check first, that you indeed have a synaptics touchpad -- run "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices" please |
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| 08:57.40 | Trekki | see lshal.txt |
| 08:57.42 | Trekki | oops |
| 08:57.45 | Trekki | http://141.24.172.82/pub/lshal.txt |
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| 08:58.06 | babilen | BasiumDeJudas: Edit your sources.list -- why do you need more repositories? |
| 08:58.26 | Trekki | This laptop is three years old, it has worked with this setup before |
| 08:58.37 | BasiumDeJudas | i wanted opera marave and just to look around to see what they had in the repos also. |
| 08:58.56 | Trekki | N: Name="ImPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" |
| 08:59.04 | BasiumDeJudas | not sure how to do that. Look to see what is in the repos from command line. |
| 08:59.33 | BasiumDeJudas | new to debian as of today coming from arch... |
| 08:59.54 | Trashi | hi. i have a small question. i want to start a program/script with user "test" (NOT root) when my machine boots. whats the best way to configure something like this? maybe someone can help!? |
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| 09:01.25 | nameless` | Trashi: update-rc.d |
| 09:01.36 | gnarface | Trashi: sudo |
| 09:01.45 | nameless` | Trashi: ops sorry |
| 09:01.58 | nameless` | Trashi: didn't read well, no don't use update-rc.d for that |
| 09:02.09 | nameless` | Trashi: you mean, at login time ? |
| 09:02.56 | Trashi | well, i mean: i want to start a script on systemstart with user TEST (not root) |
| 09:03.05 | nameless` | Trashi: ok, then update-rc.d |
| 09:03.15 | nameless` | Trashi: your script can change user |
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| 09:03.28 | Trashi | nameless`: and what is with sudo? |
| 09:03.42 | BasiumDeJudas | which can i use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 09:03.51 | nameless` | Trashi: sudo executes a command as another user |
| 09:03.58 | nameless` | BasiumDeJudas: both |
| 09:04.09 | BasiumDeJudas | really ok. |
| 09:04.10 | nameless` | BasiumDeJudas: aptitude is better at dealing with dependencies |
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| 09:04.22 | Trashi | nameless`: sudo <user> <servicename> ... ok i ll take a look in man sudo .. thank u very much |
| 09:04.28 | BasiumDeJudas | well i will use the aptitude |
| 09:04.33 | nameless` | BasiumDeJudas: good |
| 09:04.34 | BasiumDeJudas | thanks nameless` |
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| 09:05.34 | os_admin | Hello, when i try to deploy the public key I dont find the /.ssh directory. |
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| 09:05.48 | Trekki | os_admin: itâs ~/.ssh |
| 09:05.52 | Trekki | not /.ssh |
| 09:06.07 | os_admin | yes |
| 09:06.20 | i_am_deviant | nsadmin & babilen :: this is correct command >> dpkg --listfiles $(dpkg -S `which tunctl` | sed 's/:.*//') << and anyway .. please ignore it next time if you are not willing to answer a Q: as it has been asked since only adolescent youngsters with plenty of time throws a inane meta-answer which doesn't response original Q: |
| 09:06.20 | os_admin | it's ~/.ssh |
| 09:06.31 | Trekki | and if there is none then, well, create one |
| 09:06.31 | BasiumDeJudas | how can i see what is in a repo from aptitude? |
| 09:06.57 | Trekki | brb |
| 09:07.29 | BasiumDeJudas | i know can i just type something like "aptitude opera" and it will bring all up under opera? |
| 09:07.51 | BasiumDeJudas | can I* |
| 09:07.55 | nsadmin | i_am_deviant: oh, yeah, that looks like it might work |
| 09:08.01 | acemi | aptitude install package |
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| 09:08.27 | BasiumDeJudas | this will list packages acemi ? |
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| 09:08.39 | acemi | no, to install |
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| 09:08.55 | BasiumDeJudas | acemi, how do i get a list of packages? |
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| 09:09.03 | nsadmin | i_am_deviant: well people -are- expected to search for themselves |
| 09:09.03 | acemi | aptitude search xxx |
| 09:09.12 | acemi | or apt-cache search xxx |
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| 09:09.16 | BasiumDeJudas | ok thanks |
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| 09:09.39 | os_admin | have you any solution |
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| 09:10.39 | acemi | os_admin: <Trekki> and if there is none then, well, create one |
| 09:10.58 | Trekki | usually with permissions 700 |
| 09:10.58 | i_am_deviant | nsadmin: i mentioned as my first reply to your firs reaction that *i have no dpkg capable system* ;) .. forget it and live in peace |
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| 09:11.13 | os_admin | ok |
| 09:11.17 | os_admin | thx |
| 09:11.20 | os_admin | i try |
| 09:11.52 | nsadmin | i_am_deviant: the hard, official line here (which I don't always agree with) is this is purely and only a debian support channel, and if it were found that you weren't actually running debian by certain folks, they'd summarily tell you to go away |
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| 09:12.52 | BasiumDeJudas | acemi, do u use command line only to search packages or do you use syn...? |
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| 09:12.58 | nsadmin | I think my response was mild, especially since I didn't appreciate you putting words in my mouth, about thinking you were a fool (for what reason I don't know) |
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| 09:13.27 | acemi | BasiumDeJudas: I prefer the command line |
| 09:13.48 | BasiumDeJudas | me to i have been trying to get to know it .. |
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| 09:14.20 | jelly | nsadmin: he's asking how something works in Debian, that's not actually offtopic |
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| 09:17.43 | Crypticfortune | Ok, i may go slightly crazy. "sudo mkdir foo; sudo chown nobody:users foo; sudo chmod g+rwx foo" works fine on both local and NFS directories, but when i try to go "touch foo/bar" on an NFS directory, it fails.....it's like NFS is explicitly ignoring the group perms...why could this be happening? most (but not all) of my debian clients have this problem, regardless of the NFS server (solaris/debian available) |
| 09:17.58 | nsadmin | jelly, I probably would have answered him if he didn't figurativly turn his nose up at helping himself... but he's gone and I digress |
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| 09:18.39 | gnarface | nsadmin: it's ok, he was a fool |
| 09:19.09 | nsadmin | then he called it even before I had a chance to evaluate it :) |
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| 09:19.59 | BasiumDeJudas | ok people good day. |
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| 09:20.33 | Crypticfortune | it's not the mounting options...copying the mounting options from a working client's "nfsstat -m" and using them on a failing client does not help... =( |
| 09:21.05 | Crypticfortune | kernel version is the same...this is really crazy.... >_<;; |
| 09:21.13 | D4rKr0W | does anyone here have experience in setting up mod_gnutls with a godaddy ssl certificate? |
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| 09:24.27 | rudi_s | Hi. I have an external disk encrypted with LUKS using a key file. I want to mount it on startup. At the moment I have the following in rc.local: crypdisks_start xxx; mount /mnt/xxx; Is this the right way to do it? Will they get unmounted correctly on shutdown? Thanks. |
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| 09:27.41 | cantido | Crypticfortune: do your uids/gids match on the client and the server? |
| 09:27.51 | Crypticfortune | cantido: yup |
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| 09:31.31 | Trekki | babilen: sorry if Iâm being annoying *g*; from what I read, you still have an xorg.conf. Could you paste-bin that? and the output of lshal|grep Synaptics -A 5 for comparison |
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| 09:32.35 | Trekki | babilen: sorry if Iâm being annoying *g*; from what I read, you still have an xorg.conf. Could you paste-bin that? and the output of lshal|grep Synaptics -A 5 for comparison |
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| 10:02.55 | johntramp | hi, is it possible for me to connect to the following wireless network from debian? http://www.icts.canterbury.ac.nz/web/wireless/ucwireless.shtml |
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| 10:09.25 | efaistos | usually to flush a cache you do a nscd restart but how to flush it when its not installed ? |
| 10:09.53 | rozie | johntramp: should be possible. I can see EAP-MSCHAPv2 in wicd as an option |
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| 10:12.09 | rozie | and wpa2 aes works for sure |
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| 10:14.50 | Imran-UK | hi, we have a serious problem with out fileserver. it uses nfs and it looks like a problem with lockd where no-one can lock files |
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| 10:15.13 | Imran-UK | we recently upgraded a week ago from etch to lenny and it was fine up to today |
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| 10:16.45 | johntramp | rozie: how about the peap stuff? |
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| 10:17.40 | Imran-UK | i see log traces like this in syslog: kernel: [ 4471.200158] lockd: cannot monitor <hostname> |
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| 10:32.10 | LinkRage | how can I find if and executable is built for 32bit or 64bit arch? -> I receive "No such file or directory" when I try to execute the binary file |
| 10:32.33 | jacekowski | you can |
| 10:32.36 | jacekowski | file |
| 10:32.46 | jacekowski | jacekowski:~# file /bin/bash |
| 10:32.46 | jacekowski | /bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 10:32.57 | LinkRage | ELF 32-bit LSB executable |
| 10:33.03 | LinkRage | jacekowski, thanks :) |
| 10:33.14 | jacekowski | then you can do ldd |
| 10:33.31 | LinkRage | I tried but it says: not a dynamic executable |
| 10:33.50 | LinkRage | probably because that's 32bit binary on x86_64 debian lenny |
| 10:33.55 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:33.58 | LinkRage | hm |
| 10:34.24 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 10:34.25 | jacekowski | maybe |
| 10:34.49 | thewanderer1 | aptitude install ia32-libs |
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| 10:35.35 | jacekowski | objdump -p |
| 10:36.07 | jacekowski | that will dump data from elf file |
| 10:36.27 | thewanderer1 | LinkRage: are you trying to run a statically-compiled ELF32 on an amd64 kernel without IA32_EMULATION ? |
| 10:36.38 | D4rKr0W | quick question: to allow an https connection on a specified port is it enough to allow just TCP connections? |
| 10:36.55 | thewanderer1 | D4rKr0W: yes, https uses tcp... |
| 10:37.05 | D4rKr0W | thanks a lot thewanderer1 |
| 10:37.22 | LinkRage | I was trying to execute 32bit x86 binary (DarwinStreamingServer) on xenU-x86_64 |
| 10:37.44 | LinkRage | but now I'm trying to compile it from source with 64bit patch first ;) |
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| 10:42.22 | ondrejk | hello, im trying to construct expect script but it doesnt work for me |
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| 10:43.08 | ondrejk | here's pastebin : http://pastebin.com/MzBrRGNE |
| 10:44.10 | something15525 | i'm running debian squeeze i686, and was trying to install Sun Java 6 Web Start, but Iceweasel is not recognizing it as being installed |
| 10:45.09 | bzrk | ondrejk: use autoexpect |
| 10:45.46 | something15525 | the package i was installing is ia32-sun-java6-bin? |
| 10:46.05 | ondrejk | bzrk: what's the difference? |
| 10:46.22 | ondrejk | bzrk: btw why expect doesnt work? |
| 10:46.27 | bzrk | ondrejk: with autoexpect you do what you want to do once and autoexpect generates a script from it |
| 10:46.50 | ondrejk | bzrk: great, will check it |
| 10:46.53 | ondrejk | bzrk: thanks |
| 10:46.58 | bzrk | ondrejk: np |
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| 10:48.13 | something15525 | sorry for the third post, but the reason i need the ia32 version of java installed is because web start doesn't work on x64 version, and i need it for a java math program i am using for an online course |
| 10:48.34 | rozie | johntramp: in theory, wicd supports it. but cannot check - don't have such a network |
| 10:48.35 | jacekowski | you need 32 bit os |
| 10:48.46 | jacekowski | 32bit java depends on so many things |
| 10:48.52 | jacekowski | that it would be simpler to just have 32bit os |
| 10:48.53 | rozie | johntramp: just install wicd |
| 10:49.24 | something15525 | jacekowski: not if i install the ia32 package, right? i don't have the pleasure of reinstalling my os |
| 10:49.26 | babilen | something15525: You might want to install ia32-sun-java6-plugin as well |
| 10:49.40 | jacekowski | something15525: browser will have problem with 32bit plugin |
| 10:49.48 | jacekowski | something15525: so you will need 32bit browser |
| 10:49.49 | thewanderer1 | nspluginwrapper |
| 10:50.07 | jacekowski | it never works stable |
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| 10:50.31 | something15525 | jacekowski: is there a way i can emulate the browser in 32-bit mode? |
| 10:50.51 | jacekowski | install 32bit libs and 32bit browser |
| 10:51.27 | something15525 | babilen: there is no installation candidate for that package |
| 10:52.00 | babilen | something15525: yeah, it is a virtual package. disregard that |
| 10:52.20 | something15525 | babilen: any suggestions on why it is not being detected by iceweasel? |
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| 10:52.38 | something15525 | jacekowski: sry, how do i install those? |
| 10:52.58 | something15525 | jacekowski: i usually use chromium, iceweasel will only be for this math program |
| 10:52.58 | jacekowski | install 32bit os |
| 10:53.04 | jacekowski | it'll be simpler |
| 10:53.28 | something15525 | jacekowski: lol i can't do that, don't have the time |
| 10:53.43 | jacekowski | well, forcing java to work will take you a lot more time |
| 10:53.57 | babilen | something15525: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 might be worth a try |
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| 10:55.13 | balkan | hey, I want to customize rules file for vlc, remove --enable-mozilla feature e.g., but when I edit by hand, installation fails at the end of the process, |
| 10:55.21 | balkan | which tool should I use? |
| 10:55.43 | balkan | I am repackaging vlc by using dpkg-repackage btw |
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| 10:56.09 | something15525 | babilen: i'll take a look |
| 10:56.09 | something15525 | jacekowski: how do i install the 32-bit version of iceweasel, i don't need the 64-bit version |
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| 10:57.25 | thewanderer1 | something15525: use a 32-bit chroot and run from there |
| 10:57.32 | smv | i need to share a PPPoE connection betwen 3 computers. on the server i have 2 ehernet boards, eth0 that is used to make the PPPoE conection, and eth1. what would be the best/easy way to share the internet connection with the other 2 computers, and perhaps add more computers later? |
| 10:57.47 | thewanderer1 | smv: use an Ethernet switch. |
| 10:57.54 | something15525 | thewanderer1: how would i do that? |
| 10:58.37 | thewanderer1 | something15525: I am sure you can find a howto on that if you look on the Web for a solution to your particular problem *or* the problem of running 32-bit flash in Debian amd64 |
| 10:59.03 | something15525 | okay |
| 10:59.03 | smv | thewanderer1, considering that now i only have a router, what other posibilies i might have? |
| 10:59.14 | nameless` | thewanderer1: wifi on your router ? |
| 10:59.21 | liable | smv: bridge it, install a dhcpd and set your route accordingly |
| 10:59.28 | nameless` | thewanderer1: worry i meant smv |
| 10:59.56 | nameless` | s/w/s |
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| 10:59.59 | Imran-UK | looks like i sorted by problem anyhow, lenny uses nfs4 by default and does not start statd. some clients have problems with this. solution was to enable statd in /etc/default/nfs-common and restart nfs-common |
| 11:00.00 | thewanderer1 | smv: doesn't your router support PPPoE client? |
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| 11:01.12 | thewanderer1 | smv: if all your computers are connected through the router's bridge interface (if it has several ethernet ports, then YES), you can just use the PPPoE client as a router - just route your packets through it |
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| 11:02.17 | liable | smv: just google linux bridging. if you want to use that box as the router, you should be able to find docs easy enough |
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| 11:02.56 | alcy | folks, not sure if this is expected but if a clamscan is able to scan a dir, then shouldn't clamdscan also be able to do so ? |
| 11:03.27 | thewanderer1 | alcy: no, assuming anything in software is making the worst mistake |
| 11:03.53 | liable | hah, i would have made that assumtion |
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| 11:04.08 | thewanderer1 | me to, and I would have failed |
| 11:04.09 | liable | be a lame daemon that doesnt do what the cli client can |
| 11:04.14 | alcy | thewanderer1: so clamdscan runs as clamav while clamscan as root ? |
| 11:04.38 | thewanderer1 | alcy: if you run clamscan as root, then yes |
| 11:05.03 | thewanderer1 | now it would be unwise to run clamdscan as root :P |
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| 11:06.10 | alcy | thewanderer1: am trying to get clamav work with qmail scanner. have added clamav to the qscand group which owns a directory X on which clamdscan is run, but it exits with perm denied error |
| 11:06.24 | alcy | also, |
| 11:07.16 | thewanderer1 | alcy, all your problems can be solved by detailed analysis and tracing (and coffee) |
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| 11:07.52 | alcy | heh, thanks. |
| 11:08.06 | thewanderer1 | especially, find out as which user all commands are run |
| 11:08.20 | thewanderer1 | mail servers are the strangest thing when it comes to UID mangling |
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| 11:09.37 | alcy | thewanderer1: sure. will have another look |
| 11:09.46 | alcy | or two ! |
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| 11:24.35 | abrotman | !flw |
| 11:24.35 | dpkg | < busboy> hello, will it causes any problem to delete root account on the system? |
| 11:26.02 | something15525 | what is the name of the package for java web start on a 32-bit system? |
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| 11:27.18 | thewanderer1 | is there a package for java web start at all? |
| 11:27.32 | markvandenborre | I'm looking for a graphical equation solver for debian |
| 11:27.33 | thewanderer1 | I thought it was just a part of java runtime environment |
| 11:27.49 | markvandenborre | any hints? apt-cache search doesn't seem to yield a lot of results |
| 11:27.55 | thewanderer1 | wxMaxima |
| 11:28.15 | thewanderer1 | it has some graphing capabilities, I suppose |
| 11:28.44 | thewanderer1 | there's also Octave and a few frontends, if you learn to use it |
| 11:28.50 | markvandenborre | call me a sceptic, when I see what dependencies it hauls in :) |
| 11:28.58 | markvandenborre | (wxmaxima) |
| 11:29.01 | thewanderer1 | then octave :P |
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| 11:29.07 | markvandenborre | :p |
| 11:29.12 | something15525 | thewanderer1: it is for 32-bit systems i guess, and since i'm running a 32-bit chrooted system atm, i should be fine. in that case, whats the name of the java package |
| 11:29.31 | markvandenborre | I'm really looking for something lightweight and simple |
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| 11:29.42 | thewanderer1 | sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-bin |
| 11:29.49 | markvandenborre | something like lybniz, but with a _little_ more capabilities |
| 11:30.00 | thewanderer1 | markvandenborre: light and simple equation solvers with capabilities don't exist :P |
| 11:30.12 | enkrypt | what is "the debian way" to prevent certain daemon software (such as mysql) to run at startup? (a command, I prefer not deleting scripts in /etc/rcX.d manually) |
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| 11:30.47 | something15525 | thewanderer1: apparently the sun-java6-bin package does not exist, and the jre package has no installation candidate |
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| 11:31.04 | SlayerXP | enkrypt: you forgot to ask google |
| 11:31.12 | something15525 | thewanderer1: do you know the repo for the packages? |
| 11:31.17 | babilen | enkrypt: Use update-rc.d, rc-conf, sysv-rc |
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| 11:31.56 | moldovean | , versions sun-java6-bin |
| 11:31.59 | judd | sun-java6-bin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-4; sid/non-free: 6.21-1 |
| 11:32.10 | moldovean | something15525, ^^ |
| 11:33.04 | something15525 | moldovean: i have a chrooted sid environment, what is the repo? |
| 11:33.15 | babilen | something15525: You need to enable non-free |
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| 11:33.31 | something15525 | babilen: OHHHH okay |
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| 11:35.09 | ondrejk | bzrk: i've tried autoexpect but i still dont get why my example did not worked ... |
| 11:35.29 | something15525 | babilen, moldovean: that did the trick, thanks. btw, whats the easiest way to go around removing this chrooted environment when i'm done with it? |
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| 11:36.16 | babilen | something15525: Just delete it :-? |
| 11:36.39 | something15525 | babilen: delete the /var/chroot/whatever folder? |
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| 11:37.16 | something15525 | i'm also getting a LOT of locale errors. any ideas |
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| 11:38.49 | babilen | something15525: yeah |
| 11:39.47 | something15525 | babilen: how do i fix the locale errors? any idea |
| 11:39.57 | alcy | thewanderer1: meh. I forgot to restart clamd when I added clamav to the qscand group ! |
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| 11:40.27 | babilen | something15525: Which locale errors? |
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| 11:41.03 | something15525 | babilen: during apt-get install anything, i'm getting errors about checking locale settings and them being undefined |
| 11:41.16 | babilen | !tell something15525 -about locales |
| 11:41.38 | babilen | something15525: And use aptitude ;) |
| 11:41.54 | something15525 | babilen: okay thanks |
| 11:42.35 | something15525 | babilen: i got an error during dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:43.40 | babilen | something15525: Paste it to http://paste.debian.net please -- I'm back in a second (c&c) |
| 11:43.46 | something15525 | babilen: LOL. locales is not install |
| 11:43.50 | something15525 | ed |
| 11:44.13 | babilen | !installit! |
| 11:44.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 11:44.39 | babilen | brb |
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| 11:44.53 | abrotman | locales should be installed |
| 11:45.11 | something15525 | babilen: LOL me and not reading the whole text rofl |
| 11:45.22 | smv | altough the router has PPPoE suport, for a reason that i can't understand it keeps blocking some ports, and can't really control it. my tought is to use the server as the PPPoE client, and then give a static IP through eth1 that can be used by the router, that should do it's job then and alow the other computers to connect. is this right? what exactly should i look docs for? |
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| 11:48.44 | thewanderer1 | smv: use your server as a router to that PPPoE network |
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| 11:49.52 | thewanderer1 | you need to configure forwarding (look for: linux gateway) and routing through that machine |
| 11:50.21 | thewanderer1 | for routing, each client needs to be configured, unless you can configure static routes on your proper router, which is unlikely with cheap home routers. |
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| 11:52.45 | something15525 | babilen: i'm trying to detect my version of java on java.com, but its showing up as the plugin not being installed |
| 11:53.29 | babilen | something15525: I guess that you have to install a java plugin as well -- sun-java6-plugin |
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| 11:55.17 | something15525 | babilen: this time i got an error. http://pastebin.com/J2cbL543 |
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| 11:57.13 | smv | thewanderer1, the idea would be to make the router get a static IP through it's wan port from the server's eth1, and then let the router do it's dhcp thing, but i guess i'm just too dumb to understand what i should do. not sure that forwarding is what i need. |
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| 11:58.48 | babilen | !tell something15525 -about java ipv6 |
| 11:58.55 | thewanderer1 | smv: what routers do is forwarding, so no routing ever happens without it. of course you can just plug in your router to the server's eth1 - what is eth0 connected to? |
| 11:59.19 | babilen | something15525: Or did you debootstrap a lenny chroot? |
| 12:00.10 | thewanderer1 | babilen: I think he's trying a 32-bit chroot with a 32-bit browser to work, cause he needs 32-bit Java... |
| 12:00.14 | babilen | something15525: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561693 |
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| 12:00.43 | thewanderer1 | yes, I ran into that one too. |
| 12:00.56 | babilen | thewanderer1: Yes, exactly -- but AFAIK the java ipv6 networking issues only happen in squeeze+ as bindv6only=0 in Lenny |
| 12:01.18 | thewanderer1 | surprisingly though, Java plugin with WebStart worked for me on Squeeze amd64... |
| 12:01.29 | thewanderer1 | after fixing that locally :P |
| 12:01.45 | babilen | 'that' being bindv6only? |
| 12:02.02 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 12:02.12 | babilen | something15525: ^^ might be worth a try |
| 12:02.49 | babilen | something15525: But you said that you definitely need a 32bit version of java, didn't you? |
| 12:02.51 | something15525 | thewanderer1: what did you do to fix the problem? |
| 12:03.04 | thewanderer1 | something15525: what release of Debian are you running> |
| 12:03.15 | something15525 | thewanderer1: squeeze amd64 |
| 12:03.31 | thewanderer1 | then apply that fix |
| 12:03.46 | something15525 | all i need is a functioning version of java web start that gives me access to my math program |
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| 12:04.09 | thewanderer1 | then just install the same packages that you installed in the chroot |
| 12:04.17 | thewanderer1 | I don't think you need a 32-bit one |
| 12:04.25 | thewanderer1 | then apply that fix |
| 12:04.34 | something15525 | thewanderer1: sorry, what fix? |
| 12:04.44 | thewanderer1 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561693 |
| 12:04.51 | babilen | !java ipv6 |
| 12:04.51 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. This issue is not present on Lenny. |
| 12:04.55 | babilen | something15525: ^^^^ that onw |
| 12:04.59 | babilen | s/onw/one |
| 12:06.09 | something15525 | babilen: lol is that in short part the command i need to run? |
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| 12:08.18 | babilen | something15525: yes, execute "sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart" |
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| 12:08.32 | tellurian | I'm looking to install the netfilter-extensions-modules src package on a debian lenny server. anyone one know of a canonical how-to for installing src packages ? I've reviewed the FAQ section on this as well as on custom kernels but the material is sparse... |
| 12:08.36 | Trashi | hi. is there anybody who also use pure-ftpd ... i have a small question to pure-ftpd processes! my pureftpd is running as stand alone server under user "root" ... if a virtual user (from mysql) is logged in, there is a process of user "pure" (which i did configure in pureftpd.conf for all ftp users) and on further process of user "root" which is subordinated user "pure" ... do u know whats that? |
| 12:09.27 | smv | thewanderer1, eth0 is used for the PPPoE connection |
| 12:09.37 | thewanderer1 | tellurian: try this package: netfilter-extensions-source -- already in the repos! |
| 12:09.40 | abrotman | Trashi: it probably forks off a daemon for that user |
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| 12:10.27 | xstation | I am from a 165mb netinst.iso image I just want to install minimum with no x what should I choose during install |
| 12:10.29 | thewanderer1 | smv: so you have a physical connection on eth0 to your ISP, WAN or whatnot, right? |
| 12:10.38 | xstation | installing |
| 12:10.40 | thewanderer1 | xstation: standard system |
| 12:10.52 | something15525 | babilen: says invoke-rc.d not found |
| 12:11.00 | something15525 | babilen: says invoke-rc.d: command not found |
| 12:11.08 | tellurian | thewanderer1: yes, actually I was unclear. I have installed this package, but am unsure of how to get it all working ... as I understand it source packages still must be compiled and installed ... no ? |
| 12:11.11 | thewanderer1 | something15525: then instead run /etc/init.d/procps restart |
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| 12:11.45 | xstation | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 12:11.48 | thewanderer1 | tellurian: yes. you can run "module-assistant build PACKAGE_NAME_WITHOUT_THE_-source_PART" |
| 12:12.04 | Trashi | abrotman: but 1. why the virtualuser who is running under user "pure" needs an extra daemon ... and 2. why this daemon has to be root? |
| 12:12.09 | something15525 | thewanderer1: if you go verify your java version at java.com, it doesn't hang? |
| 12:12.14 | tellurian | thewanderer1: excellent thank you. off to read m-a man pages :) |
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| 12:12.29 | xstation | when installed I want to configure a static ip any help or howto's please |
| 12:12.44 | patrick-- | Does it make sense to move the swapspace of an installation from a S-ATA Drive to an SSD Drive? |
| 12:12.52 | something15525 | thewanderer1: :D it tells me i have it installed, just not up to date! :D |
| 12:13.34 | thewanderer1 | something15525: screw up-to-date, Debian is stable not up-to-date :P |
| 12:13.44 | jelly | patrick--: if your workload makes the machine swap a lot and you can't remedy it by buying more RAM or changing the workload, yes |
| 12:13.44 | something15525 | thewanderer1: and the math program is now working. thanks soo much for all the help! |
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| 12:14.01 | babilen | something15525: yay! \o/ |
| 12:14.02 | patrick-- | okay thanks |
| 12:14.04 | roe | would you (the royal you) consider a raid 6 or a raid 5 with a hot spare a better performer using mdadm? |
| 12:14.30 | roe | s/better performer/ [better performer | safer] |
| 12:14.35 | jelly | patrick--: this may or may not reduce the lifetime of your ssd device, esp. if it's a cheap one |
| 12:14.35 | thewanderer1 | raid6 |
| 12:14.51 | abrotman | Trashi: apache does something similar |
| 12:14.56 | roe | thewanderer1, worth the time to convert? |
| 12:15.14 | thewanderer1 | roe, if you're doing commercial-grade installations |
| 12:15.16 | jelly | roe: what kind of IO are you doing on it? |
| 12:15.23 | jelly | roe: how many spindles? |
| 12:15.25 | roe | it is my home fileserver |
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| 12:15.34 | thewanderer1 | roe, then don't bother at all |
| 12:15.39 | roe | jelly, 4 disk raid 5 |
| 12:15.47 | xstation | whats minimum ram with no X running postfix for example just a ballpark will be ok |
| 12:15.49 | thewanderer1 | patrick--: reduce your swappiness to 10 or so when running swap on SSD |
| 12:16.00 | jelly | roe: can you live with losing the data (ie. do you have a backup) |
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| 12:16.04 | thewanderer1 | xstation: 256MB works. |
| 12:16.16 | roe | jelly, what is this thing you call a 'backup'? |
| 12:16.20 | something15525 | babilen: thanks for all the help as well |
| 12:16.23 | thewanderer1 | xstation, just have some swap |
| 12:16.32 | jelly | roe: something no computer installation should be without |
| 12:16.35 | Trashi | abrotman: but my apache hasnt a subordinated root process .. do u know wether i can read more about that anywhere (wiki/faq/s.th. like that)? |
| 12:16.45 | xstation | thewanerer1: ok thats good the onld machine only has 500mb |
| 12:17.07 | xstation | yes swap is there ok |
| 12:17.11 | frostschutz | roe: hot spares tend to fail (a disk that didn't do anything for a looong time suddenly sees high load (full sync)), with raid 6 the disk is in use all the time and no sync work necessary, so I'd say raid6 is better. performance wise, writes are probably cheaper on raid1 than on raid5/6 |
| 12:17.15 | roe | jelly, ...but...but...doesn't raid stand for Backup redundant array of inexpensive disks? |
| 12:17.15 | abrotman | Trashi: yes, apache does have a root process |
| 12:17.23 | thewanderer1 | xstation: postfix + dovecot need a celeron 900MHz and 256MB ram + some swap to run with several users :P |
| 12:17.39 | abrotman | Trashi: a non-privledged user cannot bind to a port under 1024 |
| 12:17.54 | thewanderer1 | unless they have a CAP_NET_ADMIN or so |
| 12:17.59 | roe | frostschutz, *writes* are cheaper on a mirror than a striped array? |
| 12:18.03 | jelly | roe: raid is not backup. |
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| 12:18.16 | roe | jelly, I hope you caught my sarcasm |
| 12:18.39 | jelly | roe: I reply to all sarcasm 100% seriously for the benefit of the public. |
| 12:18.39 | xstation | yes its a celeron D 330 processor |
| 12:18.42 | Trashi | so u dont think its careless to run pureftpd MAIN process under user root, because he has to listen to port 21 etc? |
| 12:18.51 | abrotman | i said it wasn't |
| 12:19.02 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: main != worker |
| 12:19.06 | abrotman | that process doens't get used by the actual ftpd IIRC |
| 12:19.06 | roe | jelly, at the moment I don't have any place that I can back up my raid to - nothing large enough |
| 12:19.07 | frostschutz | roe: raid5/6 has to do more calculations on writes |
| 12:19.08 | tellurian | jelly: that _wasn't_ sarcasm :D ? |
| 12:19.17 | abrotman | Trashi: you're confusing things and the way they work .. |
| 12:19.44 | roe | frostschutz, but less data gets sent down the bus |
| 12:19.53 | frostschutz | roe: how do you figure that |
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| 12:20.05 | abrotman | Trashi: dpkg -l pure-ftpd .. which version is it? |
| 12:20.09 | xstation | i set it up without LVM but somesaid LVM is more efficient |
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| 12:20.34 | roe | mirror = 2x[data] stripe= (1+ 1/stripes)[data] |
| 12:20.52 | roe | frostschutz, ^ |
| 12:21.13 | Trashi | abrotman: pure-ftpd-1.0.29 |
| 12:21.19 | roe | well, with a raid 6 it is 2/stripes |
| 12:21.20 | abrotman | judd: versions pure-ftpd |
| 12:21.23 | judd | pure-ftpd -- etch: 1.0.21-8; lenny: 1.0.21-11.4; sid: 1.0.28-2; squeeze: 1.0.28-2 |
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| 12:21.57 | jelly | roe: meh, it doesn't matter for home usage anyway. I'd use raid5 and one hotspare, or raid6 if the equivalent of 2 disks net space was enough |
| 12:22.02 | abrotman | Trashi: that version isn't in Debian .. which Linux are you using? |
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| 12:22.34 | roe | jelly, I don't follow the second half of your statement |
| 12:22.50 | frostschutz | roe: I don't understand. Any redundant system has to write data at least twice, otherwise it won't be there anymore when one disk fails |
| 12:22.57 | jelly | roe: you have 4 disks. raid6 will get you 2disks worth of space to use. |
| 12:23.09 | Trashi | debian .. but the default package of pureftpds dont work for me .. so i downloaded tarball to compile without capabilities |
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| 12:23.22 | Trashi | abrotman: debian .. but the default package of pureftpds dont work for me .. so i downloaded tarball to compile without capabilities |
| 12:23.24 | abrotman | then ask them why it works the way it does ... |
| 12:23.33 | jelly | roe: that "or" is inclusive, not exclusive |
| 12:23.44 | roe | jelly, no, my current raid 5 has 4 disks |
| 12:23.46 | abrotman | it should be the same, but they may have cahnged it .. but Apache works the same way |
| 12:23.50 | roe | I have 5 disks |
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| 12:23.55 | roe | but now I understand what you meant |
| 12:24.11 | roe | it is 3 disks of useable space any way you stripe it :) |
| 12:24.22 | Trashi | abrotman: well ok .. thx for help |
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| 12:24.40 | smv | thewanderer1, yup, a PPPoE connection with the ISP through eth0. (sorry for the delay, not good at multitasking today) |
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| 12:24.41 | Innocentus | hi ho |
| 12:24.46 | Innocentus | anyone time for mey :) |
| 12:24.54 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: use Apache2 module |
| 12:24.55 | jelly | roe: do you trust the 5->6 rebuilding algos? have you investigated what happens if you have a power failure in midst of it? |
| 12:25.06 | roe | frostschutz, that isn't how striping works |
| 12:25.21 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: or see my howto on virtual hosting - find it in thewanderer's signature on forums.debian.net :P |
| 12:25.30 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: I do that :) |
| 12:25.36 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: it was already installed in that form |
| 12:25.38 | roe | jelly, yea I realize that |
| 12:25.46 | roe | which is why I am asking if it is worth it |
| 12:25.47 | frostschutz | roe: that's exactly how it is |
| 12:25.56 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: is there a good program with which I can check open ports including the program and even an explanation about each of them? |
| 12:25.58 | thewanderer1 | smv: then you can use your box as a full-fledged router. |
| 12:26.08 | jelly | roe: that's why I asked if you had backups ;-) |
| 12:26.20 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: no, but you can run `netstat -tl` and it'll show you open port names |
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| 12:26.59 | roe | frostschutz, raid 5/6 writes the payload *once* and then calculates 1 or 2 parity bits based on the payload and writes those. A mirror just writes the payload twice |
| 12:27.09 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: there is a little issue: mySQL server should be only available to the apache2-httpd server - NOT to the outside |
| 12:27.23 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: however - I am able to connect to the mysqlServer from the outside |
| 12:27.29 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: then remove its TCP capabilities at all |
| 12:27.31 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: I get a "not allowed from this ip" |
| 12:27.34 | thewanderer1 | only run it with a socket |
| 12:27.48 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: can you tell me how I can archieve that? i guess the secret lies in the my.cnf, right? |
| 12:27.56 | roe | jelly, the only reason I care at all is because earlier this week I lost 2 out of 4 drives in my raid 5. Took me most of yesterday to recover it |
| 12:28.04 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: see /usr/share/doc/mysql* and the examples/ dir - the "small" config file explains that |
| 12:28.22 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: oh wait - there is one little point. I am connecting to mysql server via ssh-tunnel. |
| 12:28.50 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: will this still work when mysql server listenes only onto a socket? |
| 12:28.53 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: so you need TCP capability? then tell it to just listen on lo |
| 12:29.02 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: ok - I will try that |
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| 12:29.16 | thewanderer1 | if you're doing forwarding in SSH, then it won't work with just an UNIX socket |
| 12:30.06 | jelly | roe: raid6 will be a bit slower and a bit safer. Where I use raid6, it's hw raid and I'm rather satisfied with how it works. |
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| 12:30.36 | thewanderer1 | smv, there is a nice package for setting up a home router if you don't want to bother, it's called ipmasq and it sets up forwarding for you, not really taking care of firewalling though |
| 12:30.49 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: this is actually set: bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:30.58 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: is it commented out? |
| 12:31.06 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: no it is active :/ |
| 12:31.11 | roe | yea, that is what I am really afraid of with the raid 6. The machine is an older P4HT. It is also running vmware server. I don't really want to tax it too much. So I think I will leave it raid 5 with a HS |
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| 12:31.24 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: then restart mysql server and you won't be able to connect from outside |
| 12:31.54 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: restarting... |
| 12:31.59 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: eh... |
| 12:32.06 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: yes - I guess now it works :) |
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| 12:32.42 | visof | hello |
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| 12:32.58 | frostschutz | roe: raid1 writes the data block twice; raid5 writes the data block, and a parity block. it's the same amount of data either way, except that parity has to be calculated which is expensive |
| 12:33.28 | visof | my linux partition has 700mb remaining , and i have empty partition can i add that partition to the root partition without lossing the data ? |
| 12:33.32 | visof | how can i do that ? |
| 12:33.43 | jelly | frostschutz: "expensive" is debatable. is 2% extra cpu usage expensive? 5%? 10%? |
| 12:33.54 | thewanderer1 | visof: the easiest method is just moving some files to the new partition and mounting it under some point |
| 12:34.04 | thewanderer1 | visof: unless you really want to do partition resizing |
| 12:34.15 | frostschutz | depends on what you do on the raid. for a database anything's expensive |
| 12:34.40 | visof | thewanderer1, if i want to resize the partition will i loss the dat ? |
| 12:34.41 | visof | data ? |
| 12:34.45 | jelly | frostschutz: even my Celeron M 1.5GHz can rebuild a home raid with native speeds and play a movie at the same time |
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| 12:35.14 | roe | frostschutz, I don't think I agree with that, but I could be wrong. As I understand it the parity 'block' is much smaller than the payload and its size becomes proportionally smaller the more spindles one has in the array |
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| 12:35.19 | nlko | hey guys im trying to get mailman working on debian, when i send a mail to the list i get pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router error |
| 12:35.27 | thewanderer1 | visof: generally it doesn't happen when you enlarge partitions, data loss only usually happens when tightening them |
| 12:35.30 | roe | but someone here should be able to settle our debate |
| 12:36.01 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: can you spot unnecessary ports in this list?: http://pastebin.com/HaycdmDr |
| 12:36.23 | jelly | nlko: have you read /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian.gz and other Debian-specific docs in there? |
| 12:36.51 | visof | thewanderer1, can i do that now , what tools i need ? |
| 12:36.53 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: yeah, 10050 unless you know what that is |
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| 12:37.06 | frostschutz | roe: you can't restore an entire block of data from a single parity bit - the storage ratio is better of course since you can have three data blocks and one parity block making either of the data blocks redundant, it doesn't change that you're writing the data twice (and you even have to read the other blocks to be able to recalculate the parity) |
| 12:37.16 | thewanderer1 | visof: you can do that now, and for howtos just use the search feature that comes with your internets |
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| 12:37.28 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: what exactly is port 10050 ? can I look up which app is responsible? |
| 12:37.39 | jelly | frostschutz: it's not twice! Merely (n+1)/n or (n+2)/n times... ;-) |
| 12:38.03 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: `fuser -n tcp 10050` will give you the process ID |
| 12:38.05 | roe | jelly, thank you, I thought I was crazy |
| 12:38.25 | nlko | jelly: trying my best to read as much as i can yes |
| 12:38.31 | Innocentus | very cryptic result: 10050/tcp: 2794 2796 2797 2798 2799 2800 |
| 12:38.44 | babilen | Innocentus: http://paste.debian.net/81727/ will tell you |
| 12:39.11 | frostschutz | roe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_5#RAID_5_parity_handling probably explains it better than I can. It also says "RAID 5 writes are expensive in terms of disk operations and traffic between the disks and the controller." (and that's assuming a hardware raid controller does the calculations, for software raid it also means more cpu usage) |
| 12:39.17 | Innocentus | babilen: cool |
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| 12:39.24 | Innocentus | babilen: so I save that as .sh, right? |
| 12:39.39 | jelly | Innocentus: those numbers are process ids. Look up what they are/what they do using process-related tools. (ps -fe|grep 2794, or lsof -p 2794, or top, or...) |
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| 12:39.59 | Innocentus | usr/sbin/zabbix_agentd |
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| 12:40.18 | roe | frostschutz, I really doubt it says that a raid 5 write is *more* expensive from the disks' perspective than a raid 1 |
| 12:40.24 | roe | but I can't read that now |
| 12:40.25 | babilen | Innocentus: Yeah - But follow jelly's advice first |
| 12:40.29 | thewanderer1 | jelly: UUo-Grep - ps NUM returns process info about NUM PID |
| 12:40.38 | Innocentus | babilen: I did - and I got this output: usr/sbin/zabbix_agentd |
| 12:40.41 | Innocentus | babilen: strange |
| 12:40.52 | jelly | Innocentus: you can now use dpkg -S /usr/sbin/zabbix_agentd to figure put which package it belongs to |
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| 12:41.09 | Innocentus | zabbix-agent |
| 12:41.33 | babilen | Innocentus: http://www.zabbix.com/features.php |
| 12:41.45 | jelly | Innocentus: so you installed that zabbix thing. |
| 12:41.51 | Innocentus | my provider :) |
| 12:41.57 | babilen | jelly: The script I pasted already does it -- output looks like "/usr/sbin/exim4 on port 25/tcp from package exim4-daemon-light (version 4.72-1)" |
| 12:42.11 | Innocentus | jelly: the provider was it. I guess it is quite useful? |
| 12:42.16 | jelly | babilen: that script won't teach a newb how to fend for themselves |
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| 12:42.28 | jelly | Innocentus: I'm afraid you'd have to ask them |
| 12:42.37 | jelly | has no idea what zabbix it |
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| 12:42.56 | Innocentus | considers to leave it as it is |
| 12:43.08 | Innocentus | fears server breakdown if it is uninstalled |
| 12:43.10 | babilen | jelly: Was never meant as something educational, which is why I encouraged Innocentus to follow your advice as well. |
| 12:43.14 | amanita_ | Greetings to all! Is there any GTK application I can use for chatting in Skype without skype? |
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| 12:43.39 | amanita_ | I use the chat feature in skype under win32 |
| 12:43.40 | babilen | ,info pidgin-skype |
| 12:43.41 | judd | No record of package 'pidgin-skype' in lenny/i386. |
| 12:43.53 | babilen | ,versions pidgin-skype |
| 12:43.54 | judd | pidgin-skype -- lenny-backports/contrib: 20100302+dfsg-1~bpo50+2; sid/contrib: 20100302+dfsg-1; squeeze/contrib: 20100302+dfsg-1 |
| 12:43.58 | babilen | amanita_: ^^^^ |
| 12:44.11 | jelly | thewanderer1: thanks, didn't know that. With basic tools I prefer portable over shorter |
| 12:44.14 | amanita_ | I mean using an app without the skype for linux |
| 12:44.42 | thewanderer1 | amanita_: no, this is not possible, Skype is closed source, sorry |
| 12:44.49 | jelly | amanita_: there is no alternate client |
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| 12:45.02 | amanita_ | Hrm, thanks guys! |
| 12:45.09 | jelly | amanita_: wine Skype.exe |
| 12:45.12 | thewanderer1 | if you gather 1000 people with torches and run against the Skype headquarters, you might get some alternative client, tho |
| 12:45.30 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 12:45.32 | jelly | amanita_: will satisfy the literal requirement for <amanita_> I mean using an app without the skype for linux |
| 12:46.28 | amanita_ | I have bad luck, all my people are on Skype, chatting and sending pics. Pah. |
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| 12:46.47 | thewanderer1 | amanita_: tell all your people to use XMPP or other open protocol :P |
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| 12:48.34 | jelly | amanita_: use skype, then. |
| 12:48.59 | amanita_ | jelly: I am allergic to QT. |
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| 12:49.28 | jelly | amanita_: hire an assistant to use it instead of you. |
| 12:49.48 | thewanderer1 | guys, I seem to have a problem with X not starting, even though KDM has started |
| 12:49.59 | tellurian | thewanderer1: hmm m-a build netfilter-extensions whinges about not having requisite kernel headers. wants 2.6.18 I have 2.6.26 available in repos and yet /usr/src/linux is symlinked to linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686. Ideas ? |
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| 12:50.21 | thewanderer1 | tellurian: yeah, install kernel headers :P |
| 12:50.45 | tellurian | thewanderer1: yes, it was a dumb question. :P |
| 12:51.11 | tellurian | thewanderer1: will re-think this ... |
| 12:51.36 | thewanderer1 | how can I serve an XDMCP chooser and some remote sessions over XDMCP without a local display? X does not seem to start when KDE starts... |
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| 12:52.11 | thewanderer1 | I'm getting this in Xorg.0.log: (WW) xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor |
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| 12:54.49 | xstation | during the install from a netinstat.iso I made a mistake and installed a desktop when I wated a no x system what can be done from command prompt once install has finished |
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| 12:55.35 | amanita_ | xstation: remove X using aptitude |
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| 12:56.11 | thewanderer1 | xstation: run tasksel and de-select Desktop |
| 12:56.11 | amanita_ | xstation: apt-get remove xorg as root? |
| 12:56.33 | xstation | amanita: ok what is the correct command please |
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| 12:57.11 | xstation | thewanderer1: run taskel at what point please |
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| 12:57.47 | amanita_ | xstation: apt-get remove xorg should work |
| 12:58.27 | thewanderer1 | you can run tasksel at any point, as root... |
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| 12:58.34 | thewanderer1 | and what amanita_ says is basically right |
| 12:58.52 | thewanderer1 | you need to get rid of some cruft, too |
| 12:59.57 | xstation | cruft? |
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| 13:00.27 | amanita_ | basically you can remove X dependent stuff in aptitude and debian will remove large chunks of X stuff |
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| 13:00.57 | amanita_ | after a while you got a console only debian |
| 13:01.51 | xstation | so use atitude or apt-get does it make a big diffrence which is used? |
| 13:02.00 | xstation | aptitude |
| 13:02.15 | amanita_ | xstation: not really, but aptitude is a menu-driven text app |
| 13:02.41 | amanita_ | xstation: aptitude has very smart features |
| 13:03.02 | amanita_ | xstation: aptitude is like synaptic for console |
| 13:03.17 | cahoot | fully usable as cli app too |
| 13:03.54 | xstation | amanita: thanks |
| 13:04.08 | amanita_ | xstation welcome and good luck |
| 13:04.39 | xstation | next stable release might come in a month or so |
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| 13:05.04 | amanita_ | xstation: wow, I am waiting for my new GiMP and Inkscape, I use lenny |
| 13:05.49 | xstation | well its off-topic but I thought i would install testing see what happens |
| 13:06.16 | amanita_ | Well I fink debian testing is more stable than Ubuntu current. |
| 13:06.45 | codebare_rfc2812 | ubuntu is sid base amanita_ |
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| 13:07.27 | amanita_ | codebare_rfc2812: dunno but lenny has old grub (I love it), while ubuntu has new shitty grub |
| 13:07.29 | xstation | I think it always has been its well tested |
| 13:07.43 | codebare_rfc2812 | and it's often unstable on dist-upgrade |
| 13:08.18 | amanita_ | I have a special monitor I can set up 1024x768 framebuffer cli terminal only with "old" grub |
| 13:08.21 | codebare_rfc2812 | shitty??? |
| 13:08.22 | amanita_ | vga=733 |
| 13:08.39 | smv | codebare_rfc2812, 10.04 isn't based on unstable as it was, but on testing. |
| 13:08.54 | codebare_rfc2812 | ah ok |
| 13:09.01 | amanita_ | codebare_rfc2812: ubuntu is a pile of shit compared to a debian stable release |
| 13:09.45 | quiritius | ,versions i8kfan |
| 13:09.46 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'i8kfan' was found. |
| 13:09.55 | smv | amanita_, you can still use that resolution with grub2. use GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1024x768 in /etc/default/grub |
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| 13:10.32 | tellurian | thewanderer1: ok apt-cache search linux-headers seems to only reference 2.6.26 headers ... I seem to need 2.6.18 headers to satisfy m-a build requirements. Where can I get the 2.6.18 headers ? would I need to modify my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:10.35 | amanita_ | smv: no I tried it, hacked those damn grub lines. Simply it won't work the refresh rate is too high for my ancient TFT |
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| 13:10.40 | moldovean | quiritius, /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 13:11.26 | amanita_ | smv: so I can reach an 1024x768 framebuffer terminal with 138x53 chars in debian only |
| 13:11.31 | xstation | just reading something in howtoforge you still run a headlessvirtualbox in a no x seamless debian system |
| 13:11.51 | codebare_rfc2812 | you can try set gfxpayload= amanita_ |
| 13:11.53 | thewanderer1 | tellurian: you don't get 2.6.18 headers, they are obsolete. are you really running 2.6.18 kernel? if yes, then you're behind time |
| 13:12.23 | abrotman | unless he's running etch |
| 13:12.33 | codebare_rfc2812 | oups sorry smv |
| 13:12.33 | abrotman | tellurian: what does uname -r say? |
| 13:12.54 | jelly | tellurian: please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 libc6 |
| 13:12.55 | tellurian | fw1:/usr/src# uname -r |
| 13:12.55 | tellurian | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 13:13.11 | abrotman | tellurian: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 13:13.20 | tellurian | jelly: k, gimme a sec |
| 13:13.24 | jelly | ,versions linux-image-686 |
| 13:13.26 | judd | linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+27; sid: 2.6.32+28 |
| 13:14.02 | thewanderer1 | tellurian: if you're running etch, then run. fast. |
| 13:14.19 | abrotman | if his system is referencing .26 headers, he's probably in the middle |
| 13:14.23 | thewanderer1 | (and grab etch sources.list) |
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| 13:15.24 | amanita_ | uh-oh skype is installed, what an ugly qt interface for a gtk-nazi like me |
| 13:15.32 | tellurian | jelly: output of apt-cache policy ... is at http://paste.debian.net/81730/ |
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| 13:15.48 | xstation | when the command aptitude rmove xyz is used if you want to also remove the config file as well how is the --purge command used? |
| 13:15.54 | xstation | remove |
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| 13:16.05 | abrotman | tellurian: what is your boot loader? |
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| 13:17.12 | tellurian | abrotman: aptitude search ~ilinux-image indicates that linux-image-686 is indeed installed |
| 13:17.23 | tellurian | as to boot loader ... |
| 13:17.33 | xstation | gtk-nazi? |
| 13:17.49 | tellurian | abrotman: grub |
| 13:17.56 | abrotman | tellurian: update-grub, does it find a .26 kernel? |
| 13:18.15 | amanita_ | xstation: yeah, I have a 4 GB hdd, only gtk is allowed |
| 13:18.40 | amanita_ | xstation: xfce only basically |
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| 13:18.57 | abrotman | and skype ... |
| 13:19.03 | tellurian | abrotman: yes, one line indicates a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 13:19.13 | tellurian | abrotman: Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 13:19.39 | tellurian | abrotman: I think I must have been an idiot and missed a crucial step along the way during a past upgrade ? |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | like a reboot? |
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| 13:20.00 | tellurian | :) could be |
| 13:20.51 | tellurian | thanks all for the hand-holding. lesson learned. |
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| 13:22.49 | tellurian | hang on though ... I just checked the uptime of the system; 87 days. Surely the staleness of 2.6.18 would have occurred _prior_ to that ? I suppose I can always just try a reboot and see if uname -r gives me the new kernel version and take it from there |
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| 13:24.13 | thewanderer1 | amanita_: get a pendrive for your files, really - 8GB are cheap now! :P |
| 13:24.21 | Pinchiukas | How can I trace the missing depedency (I think in PHP) that breaks my PHP application? |
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| 13:25.10 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: by means of observation and deduction |
| 13:25.26 | Pinchiukas | What is this, useless answer week? |
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| 13:25.47 | thewanderer1 | no, it's a generic answer to a generic question... check the logs |
| 13:26.05 | thewanderer1 | if it's a PHP dependency, then just run PHP from the shell and it'll shout at you |
| 13:27.08 | Pinchiukas | I think I need to pass files to it, I don't know how to do that in the shell. :) |
| 13:27.19 | bzrk | wow, i just tried to fix a preseed file for more than 4 hours and was ready to file a bugreport when i notice i have edited the wrong file all along :( |
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| 13:28.16 | tellurian | is afk |
| 13:28.43 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: php -f files.php |
| 13:28.58 | abrotman | tellurian: which is the default? |
| 13:28.59 | helo | Everyone wants a log, you're gonna love it log! Come on and get your log! log log log! |
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| 13:30.43 | Pinchiukas | thewanderer1: I mean via POST. |
| 13:31.09 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: then you have no other option than to observe the logs |
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| 13:31.22 | Pinchiukas | thewanderer1: which ones? |
| 13:31.36 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: PHP's |
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| 13:32.13 | thewanderer1 | it depends on your specific SAPI setup - could be mixed with apache error logs, for example |
| 13:32.16 | Pinchiukas | How do I find out where they are? |
| 13:32.19 | thewanderer1 | (often is) |
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| 13:34.46 | tellurian | is back |
| 13:34.48 | Guest40799 | What should I do if it says Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Cannot initialize OpenGL (GLX extension missing), aborting. |
| 13:35.00 | tellurian | abrotman: sorry which what is the default ? |
| 13:35.08 | abrotman | the kernel, in the bootloader |
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| 13:35.48 | thewanderer1 | Guest40799: you should install some graphics drivers supporting GLX |
| 13:35.55 | jelly | Guest40799: whic debian release are you running? |
| 13:36.05 | Guest40799 | 5.0.3 lenny |
| 13:36.21 | Guest40799 | I tried installing the nvidia drivers, however, they failed to work |
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| 13:36.33 | tellurian | not sure to be honest, /boot/grub/default appears empty save for a warning |
| 13:36.44 | Guest40799 | Cannot initialize OpenGL (GLX extension missing), aborting. |
| 13:37.01 | Guest40799 | I typed glxinfo and it says the same thing |
| 13:37.04 | jelly | Guest40799: which graphic card do you have? (paste the lspci -nn output line for the graphic card; it may contain "VGA") |
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| 13:37.21 | Guest40799 | I have a GeForce2 MX/MX 400 NV11 |
| 13:37.26 | jelly | Guest40799: alternatively, pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 13:37.56 | jelly | Guest40799: you'll have to install some sort of legacy drivers, start with /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 13:38.50 | Guest40799 | I tried getting nVidia drivers from their website, but it was for gcc libs 4.1, not gcc 4.3 |
| 13:39.21 | jelly | Guest40799: that's a) not supported in this channel and b) nvidia doesn't support that old a card in their latest drivers |
| 13:39.37 | Guest40799 | k |
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| 13:40.40 | thewanderer1 | jelly, I think legacy drivers are just for that :P |
| 13:41.00 | heverl | Hello I created a new software raid cat /proc/mdstat says "[>....................] recovery = 0.9% (19464192/1953514432) finish=30249.0min speed=1064K/sec". I hope this is normal? |
| 13:41.54 | jelly | thewanderer1: I can't do anything better than let the user read the nvidia debian-wiki page, no experience with nvidia |
| 13:41.54 | mintux | I would like to setup vps . means I have server and I would like to setup some Virtual Machine and give vps . are there any special tutorial ? or get started ? what software should I use and ... ? |
| 13:42.20 | Guest40799 | msg dpkg nvidia |
| 13:42.32 | Guest40799 | Nothing happened |
| 13:43.29 | thewanderer1 | !tell Guest40799 about nvidia |
| 13:45.33 | thewanderer1 | mintux: openvz.org and there you go. it comes with no management panels, no helpers, just the tools needed. have fun! |
| 13:45.48 | mintux | thanks |
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| 13:46.09 | puzzel | hey, i just installed debian in a virtual machine. It's getting it's IP from the DHCP service of my router. How do I set a static ip, so that's everytime the same? |
| 13:46.32 | abrotman | !tell puzzel about interfaces |
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| 13:47.05 | heverl | Is it normal that a recovery starts after an array was created ? |
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| 13:47.09 | puzzel | thank you abrotman |
| 13:47.11 | thewanderer1 | heverl: yes |
| 13:47.34 | heverl | thewanderer1, thank you I thoght/hoped this.... |
| 13:47.35 | tellurian | abrotman: k, after a quick bounce I now have 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 13:47.45 | abrotman | yay! |
| 13:47.51 | abrotman | tellurian: so now m-a should work |
| 13:48.02 | heverl | thewanderer1, I'm currently creating a filesystem on the array, is that a problem ? |
| 13:48.16 | tellurian | once again, thanks to abrotman jelly and thewanderer1 for all your time :) greatly appreciated \o/ |
| 13:48.50 | thewanderer1 | heverl: are you running RAID1 on there? I would wait for the recovery to complete if I were you |
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| 13:49.08 | thewanderer1 | I honestly have no idea how Linux handles writes during array rebuild |
| 13:49.28 | heverl | thewanderer1, it's RAID 5. I did not know this until I "cat" it... |
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| 13:50.34 | DannyButterman | Hi |
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| 13:50.46 | thewanderer1 | yeah, recoveries are what happens when you put cats too close to the disks. anyway, if Linux is not complaining, everything should be safe. |
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| 13:51.07 | amanita_ | DannyButterman: hi Danny. |
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| 13:51.29 | DannyButterman | Does someone know the crontab syntax for forwarding all outputs to /dev/null ? |
| 13:51.51 | thewanderer1 | DannyButterman: there is no syntax, you just do a stream redirection |
| 13:52.19 | nkuttler | DannyButterman: as in man bash |
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| 13:52.47 | frostschutz | DannyButterman: for a single cron job you can just append > /dev/null or similar. For a global setting that affects all cron jobs, dunno. |
| 13:52.57 | abrotman | DannyButterman: you can set the MAILTO .. the man page tells you how to do that |
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| 13:54.20 | DannyButterman | tried "myscript.sh 2>&1 /dev/null" and another syntax to no avail |
| 13:54.49 | thewanderer1 | oh please. learn the correct syntax. |
| 13:55.12 | DannyButterman | That's why I ask for the correct syntax |
| 13:55.31 | abrotman | or use the one i suggested .. |
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| 13:55.41 | thewanderer1 | http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Redirections |
| 13:56.11 | BlackFate | DannyButterman, &> /dev/null |
| 13:56.24 | SlayerXP | redirecting output from cronscripts to devnull is _stupid_ |
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| 13:57.14 | abrotman | there is that argument as well :) |
| 13:57.15 | DannyButterman | BlackFate: this syntax doesnt redirect all outputs. |
| 13:57.25 | abrotman | DannyButterman: yes, it does |
| 13:57.37 | thewanderer1 | unless one has hidden outputs! |
| 13:57.48 | abrotman | DannyButterman: if you set the MAILTO to nobody, the mail will get sent to devnull |
| 13:57.58 | heverl | How can I ensure the integrity of a RAID 5 mdadm soft array after the rebuild has finished ? |
| 13:58.24 | DannyButterman | That's what I used until a seg fault showed up and is always forwarded to my mail address |
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| 13:58.43 | abrotman | maybe you should fix the segfault? |
| 13:58.59 | jelly | heverl: /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray is a nice script |
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| 13:59.24 | jelly | heverl: at install time or at dpkg-reconfigure time, mdadm package asks you if you want to run it in regular intervals |
| 13:59.26 | thewanderer1 | heverl: you don't "ensure" integrity. you "react" and "get blamed" after it breaks |
| 13:59.42 | jelly | thewanderer1: pishposh |
| 13:59.51 | DannyButterman | I should, but the script is actually running well, so I guess this seg fault isn't critical. But that doesn't explain why this particular error is directed to my email |
| 14:00.10 | jelly | thewanderer1: there's also "done everything by the book" and "documented" |
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| 14:01.14 | thewanderer1 | DannyButterman: do you think it is possible to redirect a segfault error message? I don't... |
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| 14:02.35 | DannyButterman | Thewanderer1: So it's designed this way ? OK. Now if the seg fault isn't originating from the script, it's coming from cron itself. |
| 14:03.43 | thewanderer1 | DannyButterman: I don't know the mechanism that glibc passes error messages to bash, but cron doesn't usually have segfaults |
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| 14:05.16 | DannyButterman | Thewanderer1: I agree, I'm really puzzled about this. something related to the php nature of the script maybe ? |
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| 14:06.10 | thewanderer1 | DannyButterman: no, rather not - a segfault is a segfault. hunt down the error |
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| 14:07.58 | DannyButterman | thewanderer1: What must I look for ? I could debug if it was a php error, but here... I don't have a clue about it |
| 14:08.35 | thewanderer1 | DannyButterman: missing libraries or general weirdness. in either case, just run the script on your own and observe what happens... |
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| 14:08.43 | thewanderer1 | and do read what errors tell you |
| 14:09.09 | tellurian | would I need to patch a Debian 2.6.26 kernel to be able to use netfilter-extensions ? my ultimate goal is to use tarpit in iptables |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | iptables is there, not sure about that exact functionality |
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| 14:09.57 | abrotman | DannyButterman: can you paste the segfault and/or the script ? |
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| 14:10.28 | tellurian | found the answer at http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/netfilter-extensions-source ... says no. so now... more reading to figure out how to tie it all together ... I _will_ have this working today :) |
| 14:10.37 | Angstrom_ | When I type uname -r it says 2.6.26-2-686. Where can I find linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 14:10.55 | abrotman | Angstrom_: they should be available to you like any other package |
| 14:11.01 | heverl | Ok one more question: How should I mount ext4 under a 2.6.26-2-686 Debian ? I read about ext4dev and test_fs flag or should I look if perhaps a backport to 2.6.28 is available ? |
| 14:11.17 | abrotman | heverl: you can't, you need a kernel from backports.org to get the .32 there |
| 14:11.20 | Angstrom_ | I see |
| 14:11.24 | DannyButterman | abrotman, thewanderer1: there's no segfault at all when I run it interactively |
| 14:11.35 | Angstrom_ | It's installing gcc-4.1, why is that when already have gcc-4.3 |
| 14:11.42 | heverl | abrotman, whats about the test_fs ? |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | don't know .. but ext4 proper is not in lenny's .26 kernel |
| 14:12.05 | Angstrom_ | The following NEW packages will be installed: cpp-4.1 gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common linux-kbuild-2.6.26 |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | Angstrom_: depends what you're trying to install .. but your kernel was likely compiled with 4.1 |
| 14:13.17 | thewanderer1 | DannyButterman: then simulate the environment and redirect everything to /dev/null |
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| 14:13.39 | heverl | Is there a official non backports.org backport. I'm confused because of http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/kernel/ that lists backports? Are there just from backports.org ? |
| 14:13.43 | DannyButterman | abrotman the error message is so short it's not worth a pastebin : /bin/sh: line 1: 19908 Segmentation fault php /www/rd/htdocs/script_getnewdemandes.php 2>&1 |
| 14:14.05 | tellurian | w00t I think I have found what I am looking for at http://www.wzdftpd.net/blog/index.php?Debian |
| 14:14.31 | tellurian | Seems like this is the way to go to get netfilter modules for use with iptables ... in case anyone else is interested of course. |
| 14:14.39 | abrotman | heverl: those are from backports.org |
| 14:14.51 | heverl | interesting... thank you ! |
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| 14:17.36 | thewanderer1 | DannyButterman: then analyze the source and look for anything that writes to STDERR and see what happens when it cannot write to STDERR... |
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| 14:18.15 | Angstrom_ | What should I do if it says "cat: /include/linux/version.h: No such file or directory", /bin/sh: line 0: test: -ge: unary operator expected make: *** No rule to make target `binary-modules'. Stop. |
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| 14:18.38 | Angstrom_ | when I type cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel; debian/rules binary-modules |
| 14:18.53 | alcohol | that's a weird cd |
| 14:19.43 | abrotman | Angstrom_: are you using the drivers from nvidia.com ? |
| 14:20.21 | Angstrom_ | I'm using drivers from packages.debian.org |
| 14:20.25 | Angstrom_ | using apt-get |
| 14:20.43 | thewanderer1 | peeps... kdm is running on my remote host and accepting XDMCP connections, yet when I connect to kdm from my GDM, I only see dark! |
| 14:20.56 | heverl | May I restart the system during a RAID recovery and will this start where it stopped or will it start from the beginning ? |
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| 14:22.12 | simonrvn | takes the blindfold off thewanderer1's face |
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| 14:23.36 | heverl | thewanderer1, may I restart? |
| 14:23.46 | thewanderer1 | simonrvn: thanks, much better now, I can see a "busy" mouse pointer now, but not much more :P |
| 14:23.56 | abrotman | it's busy .. be patient! |
| 14:23.56 | simonrvn | *g* |
| 14:24.00 | thewanderer1 | heverl: on your own risk... |
| 14:24.14 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: then it's just lazy, slacking off like this for an hour |
| 14:24.19 | simonrvn | it will start the sync over |
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| 14:24.34 | heverl | ;) sure but is this ok ? |
| 14:24.35 | simonrvn | wait until it's done |
| 14:25.15 | thewanderer1 | er. am I missing something? like a chooser? |
| 14:28.17 | simonrvn | have little experience with xdcmp.. |
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| 14:28.33 | thewanderer1 | little is better than none, unless the latter is what you mean |
| 14:29.03 | simonrvn | closer to none than little ;p |
| 14:29.18 | simonrvn | i.e. played with it once |
| 14:29.34 | thewanderer1 | did it involve staring at a blank screen> |
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| 14:30.27 | thewanderer1 | I just can't seem to get any visuals from KDM |
| 14:30.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:30.57 | simonrvn | with that glorious striated x background |
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| 14:31.11 | thewanderer1 | huh, I wish I could get that far |
| 14:31.39 | simonrvn | and nothing else |
| 14:31.40 | thewanderer1 | tries a static local display |
| 14:32.13 | simonrvn | did you punch holes in your 'firewall'? |
| 14:32.32 | thewanderer1 | yes, so much that the firewall is a hole now (ACCEPT) |
| 14:32.40 | simonrvn | heh |
| 14:33.07 | thewanderer1 | great, somehow X assumes I want to give it a local VTY when I setup a display for it |
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| 14:33.20 | tellurian | do I use backports to get packages from Sid into Lenny ? |
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| 14:33.51 | jordanm | tellurian: lenny-backports come from squeeze, not sid |
| 14:34.02 | jordanm | !tell tellurian about ssb |
| 14:34.32 | tellurian | jordanm: thank you :) |
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| 14:38.05 | Innocentus | I urgentyl need your help! |
| 14:38.15 | Innocentus | How can I determine where the configuration directory of vsftpd is? |
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| 14:38.45 | Angstrom_ | when I type cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel; debian/rules binary-modules |
| 14:38.50 | Angstrom_ | I'm using drivers from packages.debian.org |
| 14:38.53 | thewanderer1 | /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 14:38.56 | Angstrom_ | What should I do if it says "cat: /include/linux/version.h: No such file or directory", /bin/sh: line 0: test: -ge: unary operator expected make: *** No rule to make target `binary-modules'. Stop. |
| 14:38.58 | Innocentus | but it is not :( |
| 14:39.07 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: then it must be given on the command line |
| 14:39.10 | Angstrom_ | why can't I make the nvidia kernel module |
| 14:39.10 | Innocentus | ok |
| 14:39.26 | cahoot | Angstrom_: missing kernel headers? |
| 14:39.33 | Angstrom_ | I have the kernel headers |
| 14:39.45 | Angstrom_ | They are in linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:39.49 | Angstrom_ | They are in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:40.06 | Angstrom_ | I installed linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:40.20 | thewanderer1 | Angstrom_: uname -r |
| 14:41.12 | Angstrom_ | apt-get install linux-headers-$KVERS linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 is already the newest version. echo $KVERS -- 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:41.28 | Angstrom_ | export KVERS=$(uname -r) |
| 14:41.50 | Angstrom_ | so why doesn't it work? |
| 14:42.04 | Angstrom_ | I don't have the complete kernel source code in /usr/src/linux |
| 14:42.07 | Angstrom_ | how do I get it there? |
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| 14:42.14 | Angstrom_ | !dpkg kernel source |
| 14:42.14 | dpkg | To install Debian kernel source (i.e. Linux kernel source with Debian patches) on Lenny, run: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.26 |
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| 14:42.44 | abrotman | Angstrom_: how are you trying to compile these drivers? perhaps you should pastebin some of this? |
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| 14:43.28 | Angstrom_ | I can't compile them, I try to set it up using debian/rules binary-modules in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel, it says it can't find /include/linux/version.h |
| 14:43.30 | thewanderer1 | Angstrom_: is there any valid reason you are not using module-assistant for this? |
| 14:43.37 | Angstrom_ | I did type m-a |
| 14:43.53 | Angstrom_ | I typed m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 14:44.07 | Angstrom_ | which was 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:44.11 | thewanderer1 | Angstrom_: m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 14:45.08 | Angstrom_ | then I bzip2 -dc nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 | tar xvf - 'ed it in /usr/src |
| 14:45.44 | thewanderer1 | you really don't need to - use the command I gave you |
| 14:45.54 | thewanderer1 | unless you really need to apply patches |
| 14:47.11 | abrotman | Angstrom_: that's not really how it works .. m-a a-i nvidia should be neough |
| 14:47.17 | Angstrom_ | ok |
| 14:47.20 | abrotman | !tell Angstrom_ about nvidia |
| 14:47.22 | Angstrom_ | maybe I'm trying to do this in too many steps |
| 14:47.27 | Angstrom_ | !tell doesn't work anymore |
| 14:47.33 | Angstrom_ | dpkg doesn't respond |
| 14:47.33 | dpkg | Angstrom_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:47.42 | Angstrom_ | dpkg nvidia |
| 14:47.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 14:48.24 | thewanderer1 | tell works... |
| 14:48.29 | thewanderer1 | !tell me about yourself |
| 14:48.43 | thewanderer1 | I just heard the story of his life |
| 14:48.55 | Angstrom_ | dpkg didnt' work before |
| 14:48.55 | dpkg | Angstrom_: are you using Windows? |
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| 14:48.58 | tellurian | well I was born in 1978 ... my parents were young and poor ... |
| 14:48.59 | Angstrom_ | No |
| 14:49.02 | Angstrom_ | I'm using Linux |
| 14:49.07 | Angstrom_ | Type /ctcp Angstrom_ VERSION |
| 14:49.59 | thewanderer1 | Angstrom_: you know, dpkg is just a bot. perhaps his tubes got clogged or he had spawned a worker and hung it... how cruel of him |
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| 14:52.04 | abrotman | please msg the bot |
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| 14:55.09 | Angstrom_ | at first, even without the nvidia kernel, glx worked. Now it says "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 14:55.18 | Angstrom_ | What the heck is wrong with it |
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| 14:55.54 | Angstrom_ | dpkg opengl |
| 14:55.54 | dpkg | methinks opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about <mesa>. |
| 14:56.01 | Angstrom_ | dpkg glx |
| 14:56.01 | dpkg | i guess glx is OpenGL Extension to the X Window System |
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| 14:56.07 | jordanm | !tell Angstrom_ about message the bot |
| 14:56.09 | simonrvn | /msg the bot ... |
| 14:56.15 | Angstrom_ | dpkg how do I install hlx |
| 14:56.15 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Angstrom_ |
| 14:56.17 | Angstrom_ | dpkg how do I install glx |
| 14:56.20 | Angstrom_ | dpkg how do I install glx? |
| 14:56.21 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 14:56.21 | dpkg | Angstrom_: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 14:56.31 | Angstrom_ | dpkg What if I don't have a manual |
| 14:56.32 | dpkg | Angstrom_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 14:56.40 | lost_soul | lol |
| 14:56.48 | Angstrom_ | dpkg I cannot run programs that use OpenGL anymore |
| 14:56.48 | dpkg | Angstrom_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:56.51 | jordanm | Angstrom_: please stop spamming the channel |
| 14:56.53 | lost_soul | bot fun, ust be a boring day |
| 14:57.00 | simonrvn | Angstrom_: STOP |
| 14:57.02 | Angstrom_ | I'll stop talking when someone answers my question. |
| 14:57.19 | moldovean | kick him |
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| 14:57.26 | simonrvn | someone kickban him please |
| 14:57.44 | Angstrom_ | no |
| 14:58.10 | Angstrom_ | dpkg freewrl |
| 14:58.10 | dpkg | Angstrom_: i don't know |
| 14:58.19 | Angstrom_ | How do I get freewrl to work in firefox |
| 14:58.28 | Angstrom_ | I checked google |
| 14:58.29 | jordanm | Angstrom_: you think that pissing off the channel is the best way to get someone to help you? |
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| 14:58.47 | simonrvn | adds an /ignore |
| 14:58.50 | lost_soul | Angstrom_: google will show you the way to enlightenment.. or, as the bot said read the manual |
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| 14:59.21 | jordanm | !tell Angstrom_ about patience |
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| 15:00.45 | tellurian | wow. |
| 15:02.17 | Angstrom_ | Whatever you stupid fu(ks |
| 15:02.40 | tellurian | again ... just wow. |
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| 15:07.15 | derik | how i see the version of debian ? |
| 15:07.23 | jordanm | !tell derik about version |
| 15:08.25 | derik | thanks jordanm |
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| 15:10.23 | tellurian | is the preferred way of using packages from unstable to create an /etc/apt/apt.conf file ? Should I use pinning instead ? |
| 15:11.04 | themill | tellurian: what release are you really wanting to use? stable? testing? |
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| 15:12.16 | tellurian | themill: I want to use stable. my host is a production firewall. I want to access a single package which based on google et al is only available in Sid. having never used anything other than stable before, I just want to know the debian way(tm) |
| 15:13.00 | themill | tellurian: the best way is to use the package recompiled for lenny (not the sid package directly). Someone might have done this already, else you might be able to do this yourself easily. /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:14.17 | tellurian | themill: I have checked backports.org for the package I want and it is not listed there. I then assumed that my only option would be to use the package from Sid. Clearly I need to do some more reading :) |
| 15:14.57 | jordanm | !tell tellurian about ssb |
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| 15:15.50 | Angstrom_ | Would anyone take a look at http://pastebin.com/UFXpa6Gg and tell me exactly what is wrong with my nVidia kernel module setup? |
| 15:16.05 | Angstrom_ | It says nvidia-glx/nvidia-kernel doesn't support GeForce2 MX/MX 400 |
| 15:16.23 | jacekowski | yep |
| 15:16.25 | jacekowski | it doesn't |
| 15:16.29 | jacekowski | you need legacy drivers |
| 15:16.30 | tellurian | jordanm: :) thanks ... but that info mentions nothing about pinning which I understand to be a means of protecting the system from unwanted changes during "normal" upgrades ... am I wrong to be concerned about this ? |
| 15:16.37 | Angstrom_ | how do I get the legacy drivers from apt-get? |
| 15:16.55 | Angstrom_ | I dont' want to use the ones on http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html because they are for an older gcc version |
| 15:16.55 | jordanm | tellurian: there is nothing to pin because you will not be adding a new binary repository |
| 15:17.09 | themill | tellurian: you'd never have the sid repos in your sources.list so that's not an issue. (use deb-src not deb in your sources.list) |
| 15:17.15 | jordanm | tellurian: this eliminates the risk of pinning |
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| 15:17.57 | jelly | Angstrom_: have you read the debian wiki page on nvidia? |
| 15:18.01 | Angstrom_ | Yes |
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| 15:18.18 | Angstrom_ | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:18.56 | Angstrom_ | The second support drop happened in 2006, leading to the 96xx legacy drivers series. Why can't I get those? |
| 15:19.07 | Angstrom_ | Lenny also contains the second oldest drivers series, 96.43. |
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| 15:21.06 | tellurian | begins to see the light |
| 15:21.18 | jelly | Angstrom_: have you also read the "Set a VERSION variable, which the rest of the instructions will refer to, to "-legacy-96xx" " bit in that paragraph? |
| 15:21.25 | Angstrom_ | apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx |
| 15:21.56 | jelly | ,versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-686 |
| 15:21.57 | Angstrom_ | yeah, I don't understand it. Should I do that before typing m-a a-i nvidia |
| 15:21.58 | judd | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-686 -- lenny/non-free: 96.43.07+2+lenny1; sid/non-free: 96.43.07+2+lenny1 |
| 15:22.24 | jelly | Angstrom_: it applies to the installation using prebuilt modules. |
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| 15:23.20 | jelly | basically you'd install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-$(uname -r) package |
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| 15:24.02 | dekroning | is there a way to see which lines that have been echo'ed to a fifo file ? |
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| 15:24.10 | dekroning | or is this information not recorded in some way |
| 15:24.22 | Angstrom_ | same with nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx? |
| 15:24.29 | jelly | Angstrom_: righto |
| 15:25.30 | Innocentus | hi ho |
| 15:25.36 | Innocentus | So I have another nice question (hehe) |
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| 15:26.53 | Innocentus | It seems that php is installed but not listed as debian package |
| 15:26.54 | jordanm | !tell Innocentus about ask |
| 15:27.00 | Innocentus | so it has been installed manually without dpkg |
| 15:27.16 | Angstrom_ | I installed the kernel using apt-get |
| 15:27.26 | Innocentus | How can I redo the installation - but with apt? |
| 15:27.27 | Angstrom_ | I typed nvidia-xconfig |
| 15:27.31 | Innocentus | I want to keep all configuration files |
| 15:27.31 | Angstrom_ | what do I do |
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| 15:27.40 | Angstrom_ | just reboot? |
| 15:28.12 | jordanm | Innocentus: well, I would ask #php how to properly remove their upstream packages |
| 15:28.35 | jordanm | Innocentus: you can make a backup of your configs, but it is possible that they way debian handles it is different |
| 15:28.54 | Innocentus | can I make a whole-system snapshot? |
| 15:29.01 | Innocentus | so that I can undo everything if something fails? |
| 15:29.03 | Angstrom_ | Do I just reboot? |
| 15:29.05 | jelly | not easily enough |
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| 15:33.45 | gnoob | Innocentus: tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys / something like that |
| 15:34.12 | gnoob | --exclude dev too probably :) |
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| 15:36.38 | gnoob | Innocentus: That command will make a tar file that you can use almost as "system restore" in windows.. and you can include or eclude whatever you need.. The tackupfile you create should be excluded ofcourse :) easy and powerful.. Also easy to pick out just one file if you need instaed of restoring everything from file. |
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| 15:39.14 | gnoob | Innocentus: dd command is also great by the way |
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| 15:41.05 | Angstrom_ | so what do I do now |
| 15:41.07 | Angstrom_ | reboot? |
| 15:41.13 | Angstrom_ | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 15:41.13 | Angstrom_ | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual |
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| 15:41.26 | Angstrom_ | Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". |
| 15:41.27 | Angstrom_ | Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup' |
| 15:41.27 | Angstrom_ | New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' |
| 15:41.47 | themill | Angstrom_: please use a pastebin, don't paste here. |
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| 15:42.09 | Angstrom_ | a script called nvidia-versions.sh says: "Your card is only supported up to the 96.43 legacy drivers series. You can use VERSION="-legacy-96xx"" |
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| 15:43.55 | Angstrom_ | Where do I put this VERSION="-legacy-96xx" line? in .bashrc? |
| 15:44.05 | Angstrom_ | as export VERSION="-legacy-96xx" |
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| 15:44.48 | Angstrom_ | Why Doesn't Anyone ANSWER? |
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| 15:46.35 | jacekowski | anywhere |
| 15:46.49 | jelly | because the user left, that's why |
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| 15:48.08 | tellurian | it's like watching a strange sort of tantrum pantomime unfold. I mean I understand frustration but ... sheesh |
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| 15:48.45 | gnoob | Angstrom_ lspci |grep Nvidia ok? or nvidia |
| 15:49.34 | gnoob | or.. maybe easier if you already know :p what kard do you have? |
| 15:49.37 | jelly | he's dead, gnoob |
| 15:49.40 | gnoob | card |
| 15:50.18 | gnoob | ahh ok :p best that way lol |
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| 16:02.58 | Trashi | hi @ pureftpd- user ;) is it possible to change the owner of a file directly after it was uploaded? |
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| 16:03.24 | tellurian | right. having read http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html I'm thinking it best to hold my horses and wait until the xtables enters stable or have a go at packaging it myself. not today though, my brain is cooked. thanks all again for the time and input. off home now. |
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| 16:04.26 | jordanm | tellurian: xtables would not enter stable until the next stable release |
| 16:04.37 | jordanm | (squeeze) |
| 16:05.01 | pzn | using debian 5.0 / kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64. my motherboard has 6 SATA ports. I recently plugged a new HD. Bios shows the HD in SATA5. A can only see in /dev/sd* HDs from SATA1 to SATA4. SATA5 HD is missing in debian but shows in the bios. any hint? |
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| 16:05.31 | jordanm | pzn: was the port a different color than the other sata ports? |
| 16:05.52 | pzn | jordanm, no, same color. |
| 16:05.53 | tellurian | jordanm: yeah I understand. This is a production system though and a critical piece of infrastructure. with the risks of borking the system high ( in large part due to my inexperience ) I think it wisest if I resort to patience :) |
| 16:06.41 | jordanm | tellurian: I agree. just pointing out that you shouldn't wait for it enter lenny, because it won't happen :) |
| 16:06.47 | tellurian | jordanm: besides, what I get from xtables is not so critical that I need it _now_ ... it would just be a nice-to-have |
| 16:06.59 | tellurian | jordanm: fair enough :) |
| 16:07.21 | Justin | pzn: what does dmesg say |
| 16:07.49 | tellurian | jordanm: I've already signed up for the -announce mailing list so I'll see it when it happens ( the release that is ) . |
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| 16:08.25 | Innocentus | hi |
| 16:08.32 | Innocentus | CAN someone recommend a php ajax ssh-client to me? |
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| 16:08.43 | Innocentus | One which doesn't need so many prerequisites? |
| 16:08.50 | jordanm | tellurian: you would likely also be interested in the low traffic -news list |
| 16:09.04 | pzn | Justin, "lshw" does not show the new HD. Bios show the HD. "dmesg" does not show the new HD. |
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| 16:11.48 | pzn | jordanm, Justin: Bios has an option SATA/AHCI/None about the disk controller. It is set up to "SATA". is this ok? |
| 16:11.59 | karlpinc | pzn: You can check dmidecode to see what the bios knows about it. |
| 16:12.13 | Justin | pzn: try changing it |
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| 16:12.45 | fxiny | fdisk |
| 16:12.57 | pzn | Justin, not sure if changing this may cause data loss... prefer not changing before knowing if it is really the right point. |
| 16:13.11 | karlpinc | pzn: You can also try a newer kernel from backports.org. |
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| 16:13.37 | jordanm | as I understand, this storage controller is already working for two other drives |
| 16:13.53 | Justin | oh, that is for all the disks? |
| 16:14.02 | jordanm | my thought was maybe it has two controllers (say, jmicron and intel ICH), but they usually make the ports on the 2nd controller a different color |
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| 16:14.24 | Justin | sata support in stable may be a bit crufty |
| 16:14.25 | pzn | jordanm, it is working ok for the 4 previous disks. I added the 5th disk and linux does not see it. bios sees |
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| 16:14.47 | Justin | I wouldn't be surprised if a newer kernel from backports fixes things |
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| 16:16.04 | pzn | karlpinc, dmidecode shows from SATA-1 to SATA-6 |
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| 16:18.07 | pzn | Justin, I'm a little worried about putting kernel from backports. this is a "debian 5.0 pure" machine, it is a xen server for 7 other machines... it is production environment... I only needed more HD to add to lvm :-) this seems to be getting dangerous |
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| 16:20.03 | d1b | pzn: don't do it :) |
| 16:20.08 | d1b | just leave it then :) |
| 16:20.10 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: Let me guess, you're working without backups, right? |
| 16:20.30 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: i bet he has 'raid' |
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| 16:21.34 | pzn | jhutchins, daily backups of everything + raid. but average of 18 continous users (company works 24hs/day). don't want to let people without working. one of the hosted computers is a ltsp server for this 18 users... |
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| 16:22.00 | d1b | pzn: better leave it :) |
| 16:22.13 | pzn | it was dificult to schedule an 30min stop for inserting a new hd :-( |
| 16:22.38 | pzn | d1b, I'll leave it... maybe get a similar machine and try to simulate the same situation in another computer. |
| 16:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: Great that you have backups. A lot of people think raid means you don't need them. |
| 16:22.42 | d1b | are you sure it isn't the raid controller |
| 16:23.00 | sylar | is it possible to tunnel skype? |
| 16:23.03 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: i had a friend like that. his psu fried his data :) |
| 16:23.10 | sylar | (for extra security) |
| 16:23.14 | fxiny | jordanm: hda: DMA disabled . hdparm -C /dev/hda drive state is: unknown . ide: failed opcode was: unknown . collected all errors today . i could hear hdb spinnig down and restarting . hda stays down long . open the f* case , pulled hd wires ,it seems i found the hardware problem in the cabling . ran again all smartmontools tests , short and long , got a nice passed in the end . i belive data loss/file corruption happens wh |
| 16:23.21 | d1b | sylar: erh.... ? |
| 16:23.38 | sylar | d1b, encryption |
| 16:23.39 | jqgc1 | using samba 3, "unix charset=utf8; dos charset=CP850", locale: en_CA.UTF-8, when a user writes a file to a samba share, sometimes the resulting filename isn't in utf8 on the linux machine... ideas why? |
| 16:23.54 | sylar | d1b, ie. encrypted tunnel |
| 16:23.56 | d1b | sylar: it has that already... in its own crap protocol |
| 16:24.01 | pzn | need to go out for lunch. thanks for the help until now. I'll be back later. |
| 16:24.06 | jordanm | fxiny: what kind of cabling problem? was it physically damaged? |
| 16:24.07 | d1b | if you care use zphone etc. |
| 16:24.20 | sylar | d1b, but we don't really know what it has and if they listen or not |
| 16:24.23 | jordanm | fxiny: also, you got cut-off at corruption happens wh |
| 16:24.37 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: So, tough situation, basically you need to let people know that downtime is not optional. |
| 16:24.37 | d1b | sylar: oh noes |
| 16:24.38 | fxiny | jordanm: it seems not properly fixed |
| 16:24.49 | d1b | sylar: use proter stuff if you want privacy |
| 16:24.52 | d1b | proper* |
| 16:25.06 | d1b | http://zfoneproject.com/ |
| 16:25.06 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: I would get as much info about mdadmin and linux raid as you can find, get a good theory of what's going on, and schedule some more maintenance. |
| 16:25.18 | d1b | etc. |
| 16:25.34 | fxiny | jordanm: no more corruptions , i keep on running rsync twice anyway , someone in google blaming hal |
| 16:25.36 | sylar | d1b, That is sip, and it has udles of problems in passing a firewall |
| 16:25.48 | d1b | sylar: if you 'say' so |
| 16:25.51 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, it is not mdadm related problem. the new device does not even show when I do "ls /dev/sd?" |
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| 16:26.04 | d1b | to be honest, sip hs the same problems as skype :) |
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| 16:26.11 | sylar | d1b, I tried to install ekiga, on one place it worked, and on the other it couldn't register on the ekiga.net sip account |
| 16:26.14 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: skype passes through third-party servers so there's really no expectation of true privacy. |
| 16:26.23 | d1b | skype doesn't solve every problem magically. sip - uses udp hole bunching via STUN |
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| 16:26.42 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: That is a bit strange. Shows up in BIOS? |
| 16:26.53 | d1b | you can say what you like, but skype isn't to be trusted :) |
| 16:27.11 | sylar | so my options would be probably to tunnel sip |
| 16:27.19 | sylar | inorder to pass the firewall |
| 16:27.29 | d1b | sylar: i don't know what your use case is |
| 16:27.37 | sylar | but zfone say such tunneling may hurt it |
| 16:27.52 | d1b | if you are a russian spy who wants to talk to the motherland, perhaps you should use something better ;P |
| 16:27.55 | sylar | d1b just two people voice communication |
| 16:28.18 | d1b | sylar: if one of you can open the firwall - there is also ihu which is really simple |
| 16:28.20 | sylar | d1b, where two people have technical skills |
| 16:28.31 | d1b | and or openvpn :) |
| 16:28.46 | d1b | http://ihu.sourceforge.net/ uses blowfish iirc |
| 16:28.49 | d1b | isn't to bad. |
| 16:28.50 | sylar | one of us does only windows |
| 16:28.54 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, yes, shows in BIOS, but not in debian. |
| 16:29.07 | d1b | sylar: mmm |
| 16:29.19 | d1b | tunnel sip then perhaps if you want that level of security. |
| 16:29.23 | d1b | otherwise, skype is ok |
| 16:29.57 | pzn | found one solution!!! 4 current HDs are Raid0+1 (or 1+0, I don't remember). I'll set one HD as failed, but the new HD there and then I'll have one way to test the new HD in the sata port that had one of the old HDs... |
| 16:30.14 | pzn | s/but/put/ |
| 16:30.59 | d1b | pzn: i would be careful with that :) |
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| 16:31.36 | pzn | d1b, sure! Will to it today just after the daily backup has finished. |
| 16:32.00 | sylar | d1b, but I don't believe skype communication go through their servers, just the connection procedure I think |
| 16:33.07 | d1b | sylar: i do not know. |
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| 16:34.21 | devilchaos | hi folks |
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| 16:34.37 | devilchaos | !nfs |
| 16:34.37 | dpkg | Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/NFS |
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| 16:35.12 | Spyder1 | The average nick length for channel debian is 6.87 characters. |
| 16:35.28 | devilchaos | ? |
| 16:35.37 | wooden | !ssh tunneled nfs |
| 16:35.37 | dpkg | well, ssh tunneled nfs is http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm |
| 16:35.47 | jordanm | Spyder1: just run psig on your logs? |
| 16:35.57 | jordanm | err pisg |
| 16:36.29 | d1b | Spyder1: MORNING |
| 16:37.03 | devilchaos | ssh page not found |
| 16:37.23 | devilchaos | wooden the pafe for that is not found? |
| 16:37.33 | devilchaos | bbl |
| 16:37.34 | wooden | devilchaos: indeed |
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| 16:37.38 | jordanm | could be old |
| 16:37.47 | jordanm | !factoinfo ssh tunneled nfs |
| 16:37.53 | jordanm | !factinfo ssh tunneled nfs |
| 16:37.53 | dpkg | ssh tunneled nfs -- created by pmfp <~pmfp@h251n1fls34o847.telia.com> at Mon Apr 1 12:42:54 2002 (3041 days); it has been requested 129 times, last by wooden, 2m 16s ago. |
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| 16:38.09 | jordanm | 8 years old actually... |
| 16:38.16 | wooden | 2002. Ancient history. |
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| 16:41.18 | roger21 | at the resume after suspend to ram i have all my icons desapeard, somebody know abou that? |
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| 16:42.24 | r0nin101011 | there anyway to view a log file in realtime? |
| 16:42.33 | jordanm | r0nin101011: tail -f |
| 16:42.35 | fxiny | ancient ? damned fsck willing to please me in recovering files linked to lost&found a bunch of #somenumbers . quick check : all squid logs analisys from 2007 . i'd better sanitize deeper this filty box ;P |
| 16:42.36 | roger21 | even restarting x doesn't make it |
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| 16:45.16 | Spyder1 | The percentage of channel operators on channel debian is 0.2 percent. |
| 16:45.25 | d1b | Spyder1: shove it |
| 16:45.33 | d1b | apt: bot |
| 16:45.34 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 16:45.40 | d1b | Spyder1: but you are |
| 16:45.45 | Spyder1 | nope |
| 16:45.53 | d1b | then stop being like one |
| 16:46.04 | Spyder1 | I am bot/human |
| 16:46.10 | Spyder1 | I have two sides to me |
| 16:46.36 | d1b | you have been submited to bash.org for the lulz |
| 16:46.39 | d1b | k thx bia |
| 16:46.50 | Spyder1 | pffft |
| 16:47.06 | fxiny | heheeh |
| 16:47.08 | d1b | Quote added as #926848. Thanks for participating. :-) |
| 16:47.28 | Spyder1 | achtung |
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| 16:49.01 | fxiny | Quote #926848 is pending moderation |
| 16:49.14 | fxiny | won't be accepted :P |
| 16:49.32 | themill | Spyder1: do you have a debian question we can help you with? |
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| 16:50.58 | sk1p | hey guys. using debian unstable. i get the following error on upgrade: "dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 84177 package 'virtualbox-3.0': error in Version string `3.0.12-54655_Debian_lenny': invalid character in revision number" |
| 16:51.22 | sk1p | how do i recover from that one? o_O |
| 16:51.39 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 16:52.02 | kornerr | hi |
| 16:52.04 | themill | sk1p: where's this package from? Whomever made it needs to be larted. There should be an available-old backup there |
| 16:52.17 | kornerr | after I install g++-multilib, does it compile with multilib support? |
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| 16:52.46 | kornerr | I want to deploy binary app compiled at Debian 5.0 to other distros. the binary isn't working on a Slackware multilib system |
| 16:54.05 | qwd | Debian Sid AMD64 with Gnome. My numpad stopped working and I don't know why. Pressing + for example goes to the start of the line, second time to the end of the line, and third time selects the line. With num lock on it doesn't seem to do anything. Any ideas? I don't know what I did to make this happen. Also the cd-player closes right away when I open it, there might be a connection...? |
| 16:54.51 | sk1p | themill: good question. a while ago, i had a repository from sun in the sources list, but it isn't there anymore. the -old has _Debian_lenny, too... |
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| 16:56.03 | themill | sk1p: can you back out the dpkg version to the 1.15.7.* version and then try purging that package to get it out of available? |
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| 16:57.01 | themill | sk1p: alternatively, if that's not going to work, take a backup of that file and then edit it. It's just a text file. Just delete the stanza for that package. |
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| 16:58.57 | sk1p | themill: ok, i'll try. thanks |
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| 17:00.24 | fxiny | jordanm: i forgot : no more data loss , i'm back with the official debian kernel , not my own PII mmx preemption and more axing |
| 17:00.45 | fxiny | maybe too aggressive |
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| 17:01.09 | jordanm | fxiny: its good to hear you are making progress (and potentially have it resolved) |
| 17:01.34 | tharkun | Gentlemen good evening, I am trying to set up a different locale for a machine, but dpkg-reconfigure gives this locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory also for LC_MESSAGES and also for LC_ALL Can someone point me to the missing part? |
| 17:02.00 | fxiny | jordanm: i'm not really interested in solving : i like the how to f* file corruption game with software |
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| 17:02.47 | sk1p | themill: ok, purge didn't work (because it wasn't installed), but editing the file seems to have fixed it. i wonder why the package was still in that file.. |
| 17:03.00 | tharkun | Never mind, i accidentaly rebooted the machine and all things are ok now. |
| 17:03.05 | fxiny | jordanm: why eyeandy ? hd failing control should be more important |
| 17:03.20 | fxiny | eyecandy* |
| 17:03.38 | themill | sk1p: purge doesn't require the package to be installed, but yeah, this was an intentional and recent tightening of dpkg's behaviour. |
| 17:03.54 | themill | !dbugs 574704 |
| 17:03.58 | dpkg | DONE:#574704:W[dpkg,dpkg-dev] dpkg should check if versions of relationship fields are syntactically correct (); Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:10:26 UTC [] |
| 17:05.43 | sk1p | themill: ok, thanks for the help :) |
| 17:06.09 | themill | sk1p: no worries. |
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| 17:06.57 | Voldenet | Hi, i'm using debian sid and got lighttpd error telling me that "80 port is already in use", and it's not. |
| 17:08.02 | petemc | how did you verify that its not? |
| 17:08.13 | Voldenet | lsof -i :80 and nmap localhost |
| 17:08.24 | gapz | netstat -tepan Voldenet |
| 17:08.47 | petemc | Voldenet: have you tried starting it manually rather than using init script? |
| 17:08.52 | Voldenet | Yes. |
| 17:09.04 | Voldenet | lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf |
| 17:09.25 | Voldenet | That's odd. |
| 17:09.31 | Voldenet | It works when port is changed to 81 |
| 17:09.50 | jordanm | Voldenet: netstat -anlnp | grep :80 |
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| 17:10.10 | jordanm | oops, two -n flags |
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| 17:10.17 | petemc | Voldenet: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564556 |
| 17:10.29 | Voldenet | Ah, nevermind. |
| 17:10.37 | Voldenet | It was used on tcp6 |
| 17:10.49 | Voldenet | By lighttpd... |
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| 17:14.11 | jordanm | fxiny: eyeandy? |
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| 17:17.01 | fxiny | jordanm: eyecandy , a stupid way to use resources to beat mac and winblows . linux was a fast os , i'd like to see it using resources to beat solaris instead , leaving the eyecandy to the orange cephalic hair tribesman |
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| 17:17.09 | Lantizia | Hey anyone running dovecot here, I think I found a bug in the debian 5 version of it - and I could use someone else opinion. |
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| 17:18.11 | Voldenet | describe what's bug instead of telling "i found one" |
| 17:19.21 | fxiny | oracle's already killing open solaris ... |
| 17:19.39 | Lantizia | Voldenet, if you specify option base_dir in dovecot.conf... via /etc/init.d/dovecot - the service will fail to stop |
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| 17:22.31 | chovy | how do i manage samba users on debian? |
| 17:22.50 | chovy | there's a @users field in smb.conf but I can't find a smbusers file anywhere |
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| 17:24.03 | Voldenet | Lantizia, it works for me. |
| 17:24.13 | Voldenet | i got sid version, so it may be fixed there |
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| 17:29.21 | jordanm | fxiny: some eyecandy does introduce nice usability features though |
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| 17:32.16 | fxiny | jordanm: as an exercise for foss coders i can accept it , but not as a project target |
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| 17:40.36 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 17:40.37 | dpkg | < koshnaranek> what are we going to do tonight, brain? < nvz> koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world. |
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| 17:44.29 | metrix | i want to create a minimal diskless client image that uses a window manager, and xterm. i am having trouble finding documentation on just creating a small image. any suggestions on where to find information? |
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| 17:47.08 | tharkun | !msg dpkg null mailer |
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| 17:51.00 | qwd | Debian Sid AMD64 with Gnome. My numpad stopped working and I don't know why. Pressing + for example goes to the start of the line, second time to the end of the line, and third time selects the line. With num lock on it doesn't seem to do anything. Any ideas? I don't know what I did to make this happen. Also the cd-player closes right away when I open it, there might be a connection...? Restarting the computer didn't solve anything. |
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| 17:51.41 | brah | Where are the power saving options? My screen keeps going blank after 5 minutes, even though the screensaver is disabled. |
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| 17:52.42 | qwd | I just noticed pressing 5 kind of works like alt+tab, but only on some windows and only switches once. |
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| 17:54.21 | brah | The screen goes blank even if I'm watching a movie on fullscreen. |
| 17:54.51 | qwd | doh, it was the mouse keys setting in gnome-keyboard-properties, don't know how that happened. |
| 17:54.58 | qwd | brah: system -> preferences if you're using Gnome |
| 17:55.18 | brah | :| which option |
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| 17:56.41 | qwd | power management... |
| 17:57.03 | brah | I don't seem to have it. |
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| 18:03.56 | Bushmills | brah: i recognize that |
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| 18:05.12 | Bushmills | ehm, no. was meant for qwd |
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| 18:14.23 | qwd | Bushmills: solved the numpad problem, "mouse keys" got enabled somehow, but the problem with the dvd-burner is still there. |
| 18:14.58 | jhutchins | qwd: Which release? |
| 18:15.09 | jhutchins | qwd: It |
| 18:15.37 | jhutchins | qwd: It's probably one of those annoying hardware polling tools that's looking to see if there's a disk. |
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| 18:16.15 | qwd | jhutchins: Sid AMD64 with Gnome. |
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| 18:16.30 | jhutchins | Good grief. |
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| 18:17.33 | qwd | jhutchins: well, I just tried ejecting it again and now it *doesn't* close. Problem solved by doing absolutely nothing..? :) |
| 18:17.43 | Bushmills | accessability options related to keyboard has changed "itself" from time to time with an older installation here too. usually the option which has the effect that keys pressed too quickly in succession (or for too short time) weren't registering. |
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| 18:17.58 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 18:18.02 | meh2 | here we go |
| 18:18.09 | meh2 | your dreaming? |
| 18:18.18 | Innocentus | I have got a challenging question which only pros with great expertise and experience can eventually answer! |
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| 18:18.25 | Innocentus | Who want to know this question? :) |
| 18:18.47 | meh2 | schoolwork? |
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| 18:18.53 | qwd | I've had the problem where you can't hold a key which is solved by disabling and reenabling "repeat keys" in the settings. |
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| 18:19.39 | fxiny | fires bc up ready for the challenging question |
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| 18:29.19 | fxiny | keyboard ? yes ? i remember when the problem was finding the correct layout . dreaming of a real usa keyboard i asked the idiot next door to bring me back a keyboard from canada , he uses to go there every autumn . he came back with a french alike keyboard ... |
| 18:30.01 | fxiny | usability in the past was a problem like today ;P |
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| 18:35.19 | apollolune | hi, anyone knows how I could fix grub2 ? my problem is "grub_xputs not found" after an upgrade on testing. I booted from a liveCD, chrooted etc., and "grub-install" or "/sbin/grub-install" is not found, I don't know what to do now... |
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| 18:36.06 | chemist | hello, is there a way to install flash player without enabling lenny-backports? |
| 18:36.39 | jordanm | chemist: you can fetch the single package from backports or testing, without enabling the repo |
| 18:37.04 | chemist | jordanm: and install with dpkg? |
| 18:37.07 | dondelelcaro | chemist: lenny-backports is set up to only install packages you explicitly ask to come from there by default |
| 18:37.16 | dondelelcaro | chemist: so there's really no reason not to enable it |
| 18:37.29 | chemist | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
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| 18:41.10 | Innocentus | OK |
| 18:41.15 | Innocentus | The question comes now |
| 18:41.38 | Innocentus | How can I replace the manual installation of PHP5 with a package instalaltion? |
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| 18:43.51 | jordanm | Innocentus: wanting a different answer from last time? |
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| 18:45.13 | Innocentus | YES |
| 18:45.17 | Innocentus | I wanna hear something different |
| 18:46.06 | jordanm | hmm, restore a backup from before you installed php from upstream? |
| 18:47.30 | abrotman | Innocentus: did you start by asking ##php how to remove your manual install ? |
| 18:47.55 | jordanm | abrotman: that was my suggestion, the he wants a different answer on |
| 18:48.07 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: look where your files got installed and remove them. |
| 18:48.25 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: hint: if you do "make install", it shows all paths that it is copying files into |
| 18:48.33 | thewanderer1 | you basically have to reverse the process :P |
| 18:49.04 | jordanm | (which is hopefull /usr/local..) |
| 18:49.25 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: if he does that file by file, nothing bad happens, really |
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| 18:50.12 | fxiny | php is hairy : do it like when shaving a dog |
| 18:50.15 | jordanm | thewanderer1: unless files are created after installation... eg. python and .pyc files |
| 18:50.17 | Voldenet | use make uninstall |
| 18:50.34 | thewanderer1 | Voldenet: PHP doesn't seem to have this target |
| 18:50.42 | Voldenet | Ah. |
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| 18:50.56 | jordanm | what user would ever want to uninstall our software? |
| 18:51.00 | Voldenet | Use black magic. |
| 18:51.29 | babilen | Innocentus: And use common sense in the future -- Debian even ships tools for that "/msg dpkg usrlocal" |
| 18:51.34 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: this one is a good candidate for "GNU/Linux haters handbook" |
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| 18:53.27 | fxiny | jordanm: in that case i'd run a basilener first , and reinstall over |
| 18:56.20 | apollolune | Hi, anyone knows why "grup-install" isn't found in a chrooted env. ? |
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| 18:57.51 | thewanderer1 | apollolune: yes, grup-install does not exist. |
| 18:57.53 | babilen | apollolune: (i) it's "grub-install" and (ii) do you have a grub package installed in the chroot? |
| 18:58.05 | babilen | ,file grub-install |
| 18:58.08 | judd | grub-install in lenny/i386: grub: sbin/grub-install, usr/sbin/grub-install; grub-efi: usr/sbin/grub-install; grub-pc: usr/sbin/grub-install; grub-ieee1275: usr/sbin/grub-install |
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| 19:00.08 | apollolune | babilen: grub, yes (was a typo), no package installed, I'll try to install one, or, as judd wrote, try to find in different reps if grub is there |
| 19:00.50 | apollolune | thx anyway (my first time in a chrooted rep., not so easy) |
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| 19:03.02 | apollolune | babilen: I tried "apt-get install grub-pc" but apt-get isn't found and 'which apt-get' gives nothing |
| 19:03.22 | jordanm | apollolune: sounds like whatever you are chrooted into is not debian |
| 19:04.11 | apollolune | jordanm: it's a testing, maybe I didn't do it right ? |
| 19:04.18 | babilen | apollolune: How did you install that chroot? |
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| 19:04.58 | apollolune | babilen: I identified the disk, it's hda, with hda1 as / and hda3 as /boot |
| 19:05.58 | babilen | apollolune: How did you install the chrooted Debian? Which tools did you use? |
| 19:06.16 | apollolune | babilen: so "# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt; mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/boot; mount --bind /dev (and proc and sys) /mnt/dev (and proc and sys)" |
| 19:06.30 | apollolune | babilen: then # chroot /mnt |
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| 19:06.57 | apollolune | babilen: commands didn't complain, did I miss smthg ? |
| 19:07.18 | thewanderer1 | apollolune: that is not the question. please post the output of `cat /etc/debian_version && ls /etc/portage && ls /etc/sysconfig` in the chroot... |
| 19:07.33 | thewanderer1 | or better use ; instead of && |
| 19:07.53 | babilen | yes, well -- but how was the system you chroot into installed? What is the output of |
| 19:07.53 | babilen | ""lsb_release -a" (if installed) or "cat /etc/debian_version" ? |
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| 19:08.20 | frag4now | hi all. how can i force apt-get to install a fixed package version? |
| 19:08.41 | greycat | frag4now: it would be easier to download it by hand and dpkg -i it |
| 19:08.50 | dondelelcaro | frag4now: you can install a specific version with aptitude install foopkg=blehversion; |
| 19:09.06 | thewanderer1 | yes, provided that you still have that on your mirror |
| 19:09.14 | apollolune | babilen: on all these command -> not found or no such file or directory ! |
| 19:09.27 | frag4now | hmmm...and how can i see available package versions? |
| 19:09.30 | greycat | if you don't have /etc/debian_version then you're in the wrong channel |
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| 19:09.43 | babilen | apollolune: And thewanderer1's commands? |
| 19:09.54 | greycat | frag4now: web browser or FTP client -> mirror -> pool |
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| 19:10.01 | frag4now | ah |
| 19:10.06 | apollolune | babilen: I used a debian 5 CD |
| 19:10.14 | frag4now | isn't there a debian tool to do that? |
| 19:10.19 | frag4now | apt-something? |
| 19:10.24 | qwd | I read about Docky which seemed nice but I don't want Mono. Can anyone recommend a good non-mono dock-thingy?I know there's a list at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Comparison_of_applications_launchers but I want opinions. |
| 19:10.28 | thewanderer1 | frag4now: apt-cache policy package |
| 19:10.37 | frag4now | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 19:11.19 | thewanderer1 | qwd, awn is fine |
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| 19:11.23 | apollolune | babilen: for thewanderer1 commands, same thing, "not found" or "no such file..." |
| 19:11.42 | frag4now | thewanderer1: there's something wrong...i can get only installed package version, not all available versions |
| 19:11.58 | grim | i just installed testing with an encrypted root under an lvm volume. The install went fine, but when I rebooted the machine, it's bombing out saying that the device name does not begin with /dev/mapper, since the device name is specified as /dev/disk/by-uuid/. any thoughts? |
| 19:12.01 | thewanderer1 | frag4now: then you probably don't have it in the repositories at all |
| 19:12.05 | babilen | apollolune: What did you use the Debian 5 CD for? Are you sure that you have Debian installed on that computer? |
| 19:12.21 | frag4now | ok thanks |
| 19:12.35 | greycat | apollolune: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 19:12.45 | thewanderer1 | apollolune: it's a chroot, really |
| 19:12.55 | apollolune | babilen: yep, debian testing and only that installed for the last two years |
| 19:12.55 | thewanderer1 | but we don't know of what exactly |
| 19:13.06 | qwd | thewanderer1: thanks! |
| 19:13.14 | thewanderer1 | apollolune: you can post the complete output of `ls -R` in the chroot? I'll try to figure this out. |
| 19:13.18 | thewanderer1 | pastebin. |
| 19:13.33 | babilen | ... http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:13.51 | apollolune | 'uname -a' gives : Linux 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 19:14.08 | greycat | it should give a bit more than that, but that's a good start. |
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| 19:14.30 | greycat | that sounds like one of the Lenny kernels |
| 19:14.36 | abrotman | it is, i'ts out of date |
| 19:14.37 | jordanm | apollolune: that is the kernel of the host, not what is installed in the chroot |
| 19:14.50 | greycat | jordanm: a chroot has the same kernel |
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| 19:15.04 | greycat | (runs under the same kernel) |
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| 19:15.18 | greycat | any kernel installed as a file inside the chroot would be totally irrelevant because it would never be booted |
| 19:15.38 | apollolune | thewanderer1, babilen, greycat: thx for your help, I'll try to get the output of 'ls -R' using a usb-key |
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| 19:16.06 | thewanderer1 | apollolune: you can type it into the console and paste the output to paste.debian.net ... |
| 19:16.35 | apollolune | thewanderer1: ok, I'll do that |
| 19:16.39 | jordanm | greycat: I said that because earlier I questioned whether or not the chroot was an actual debian install |
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| 19:19.08 | babilen | apollolune: Actually run "ls -R > file_list" and copy file_list to the stick (much easier that way) |
| 19:19.21 | greycat | might as well make it -lR |
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| 19:21.09 | stayb | i want to burn a .mp3 file with brasero, i get this message: "cant be handled by gstreamer: Make sure the appropriate codec is installed" what to do? |
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| 19:22.16 | greycat | would you be willing to consider decoding it to .wav first, then burning that? |
| 19:22.34 | jordanm | thought that is what it already does |
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| 19:23.20 | jordanm | unless you are talking about manually, eg. !lame factoid in #bash |
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| 19:23.42 | greycat | lame is the wrong direction, but yes, I meant in a separate manual step |
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| 19:24.03 | thewanderer1 | got disconnected and might have missed 2 minutes of problems |
| 19:24.14 | greycat | you'll survive it, thewanderer1 |
| 19:24.35 | stayb | so how to decoding greycat ? |
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| 19:25.03 | greycat | mpg321 --wav "filename.wav" "filename.mp3" |
| 19:25.18 | greycat | or several other choices of tools |
| 19:25.41 | babilen | stayb: You might want to install gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 or gstreamer0.10-lame from dmm (/msg dpkg dmm) -- not sure if brasero needs exactly those packages though. Ask in a brasero/gnome channel ... But those might work |
| 19:26.15 | stayb | babilen, how to use (/msg dpkg dmm) ? |
| 19:26.17 | stayb | what u mean |
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| 19:26.51 | greycat | stayb: in IRC. /msg sends a private message. |
| 19:26.58 | babilen | stayb: Type "/msg dpkg dmm" in your IRC client and you will see (without the ") |
| 19:26.58 | Upgreydd | hello all, i have a trouble with my debian and apache, can anyone help me? here's my site: www.upgreydd.pl |
| 19:27.03 | nsadmin | stayb: start by typing this in your irc: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 19:27.34 | thewanderer1 | Upgreydd: yes, you definitely have a problem. adjust your permissions. |
| 19:27.41 | nsadmin | Upgreydd, not going to your site. ask a question |
| 19:27.51 | greycat | His site gives "You don't have permission to access / on this server." |
| 19:27.52 | Upgreydd | i changed my permissions to 755 and nothing :/ |
| 19:28.04 | greycat | Could be file/dir permissions or it could be vhost setup. |
| 19:28.11 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 19:28.17 | nsadmin | Upgreydd, ls -ld /var/www |
| 19:28.18 | Upgreydd | hmmm wait i'll show my vhost |
| 19:28.33 | babilen | Ah, only gstreamer0.10-lame is in dmm -- gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 is in Debian |
| 19:28.55 | greycat | apache2 configuration is a pain in the ass becuase it's spread out over a slew of tiny little files in disparate directories, with symlinks just to make it even more complex |
| 19:29.20 | stayb | greycat, so u recommend instead of apache2? |
| 19:29.23 | greycat | and the directory names are long and they begin with the same long prefix, so you can't even tab complete them easily |
| 19:29.24 | stayb | for a webserver |
| 19:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: grep -r is essential. |
| 19:29.25 | Upgreydd | my vhost: http://pastebin.com/miMzDTiY |
| 19:29.27 | nsadmin | I would imagine you could put it all in one file |
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| 19:29.34 | _droid | hi peeps |
| 19:29.46 | _droid | i need some help with the wpa_supplicant |
| 19:29.48 | jhutchins_lt | stayb: Bad as it is it's still the best. |
| 19:29.56 | themill | apache2 configuration is so much easier now that you can change something small in one file and still benefit from improvements to the default configs made by the maintainers. |
| 19:29.56 | jordanm | Upgreydd: putting all your vhots in one file is not exactly the debian way |
| 19:30.11 | babilen | _droid: Please state the nature of the technical emergency (i.e. what is the problem?) |
| 19:30.30 | _droid | i have a wlan that is secured with a wpa2 encryption |
| 19:30.50 | thewanderer1 | stayb: if you don't need vhosting for customers, use lighttpd to avoid Apache's cruft - quite popular now |
| 19:30.50 | Upgreydd | jordanm: this is only for one domain i have a lot of this files ;] |
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| 19:31.21 | _droid | and there i have a problem in giving the passphrase into the wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 19:31.25 | jhutchins_lt | Upgreydd: Do any of the hosts work? |
| 19:31.27 | stayb | thewanderer1, want to uplaoad a simple homepage like on apache2 |
| 19:31.37 | nsadmin | "please take a number..." hmm, 5932... "...and state the nature of your emergency. NOW SERVING #2...." |
| 19:31.38 | greycat | Upgreydd: also be sure to check /var/log/apache2/* for recent errors |
| 19:32.23 | Upgreydd | jhutchins_lt: yes, all work without this :/ |
| 19:32.32 | thewanderer1 | stayb: lighttpd.net |
| 19:32.38 | jhutchins_lt | Upgreydd: Without what? |
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| 19:33.01 | greycat | maybe he meant "except this"? |
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| 19:33.08 | babilen | _droid: What kind of problem do you experience with that? You might want to run "wpa_passphrase essid pashphrase" to output a valid block for wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 19:33.15 | wolgo | what does wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 mean? That the .so is 32 bit when it needs to be 64? |
| 19:33.18 | _droid | babilen: i have used the following german ubuntuusers site there the translated version: http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntuusers.de%2FWLAN%2Fwpa_supplicant&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 |
| 19:33.30 | thewanderer1 | wolgo: yeah |
| 19:33.35 | babilen | wolgo: yeah |
| 19:33.46 | _droid | babilen: ok let me check that |
| 19:33.48 | thewanderer1 | Upgreydd: it is a permissions problem |
| 19:33.49 | wolgo | I apt-get install iceweasel and this happened. |
| 19:34.04 | Upgreydd | jhutchins_lt: without this one domain :/ |
| 19:34.11 | wolgo | why it puts the wrong ELF class when I did not say for it to |
| 19:34.30 | thewanderer1 | Upgreydd: simulate the situation: `su - www-data; ls -R /home/upgreydd/htdocs/main` |
| 19:34.31 | wolgo | sorry for english |
| 19:35.00 | greycat | Upgreydd: he means to hit Enter where he wrote ; |
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| 19:35.16 | jhutchins_lt | Upgreydd: ls -ld /home/upgraydd/htdocs |
| 19:35.22 | Upgreydd | i have only sudo access |
| 19:35.23 | Upgreydd | :/ |
| 19:35.37 | greycat | can you do "sudo su - www-data"? |
| 19:35.38 | wolgo | how can I make this work? just download 64bits .so and put in xulrunner directory? |
| 19:35.46 | wolgo | or lib64 |
| 19:35.47 | Upgreydd | drwxr-xr-x 9 upgreydd users 224 maj 2 20:53 /home/upgreydd/htdocs |
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| 19:36.15 | Upgreydd | no access |
| 19:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: his document root is /home/upgreydd/htdocs/main |
| 19:36.33 | thewanderer1 | Upgreydd: are you getting an access error when doing that from user www-data? |
| 19:36.41 | jhutchins_lt | Upgreydd: Who are you logged in as? Shouldn't that be your home directory? |
| 19:36.46 | apollolune | thewanderer1, babilen, greycat: I posted the result for 'ls -R' in the chroot here : http://pastebin.org/428447 (paste.debian.net take only 90 KB of data) |
| 19:36.47 | greycat | Then it's more likely to be an issue with <Directory>...</Directory> in an httpd conf file, than file system permissions, I think. |
| 19:36.51 | Upgreydd | www-data@ns356890:~$ ls -R /home/upgreydd/ |
| 19:36.51 | Upgreydd | ls: nie można otworzyÄ katalogu /home/upgreydd/: Brak dostÄpu |
| 19:36.59 | Upgreydd | when loged as www-data |
| 19:37.01 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: pay 'tension: his document root is /home/upgreydd/htdocs/main |
| 19:37.06 | greycat | or... maybe you were right :) |
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| 19:37.35 | wolgo | hello can someone helping me with xulrunner issue |
| 19:37.57 | wolgo | I apt-get install iceweasel and now it is pissing. |
| 19:38.01 | thewanderer1 | Upgreydd: permission error. paste the output of `stat --format=%a /home/upgreydd` |
| 19:38.05 | jhutchins_lt | wolgo: which release? |
| 19:38.06 | wolgo | cannot load XPCOM |
| 19:38.10 | wolgo | lenny |
| 19:38.14 | wolgo | lenny release |
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| 19:38.36 | ranix | wolgo: can you pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:38.39 | jhutchins_lt | wolgo: Which iceweasel? (dpkg -l iceweasel) |
| 19:38.43 | Upgreydd | thewanderer1 as www-data? |
| 19:38.44 | wolgo | machine say to me "wrong elf class" |
| 19:38.49 | ranix | you may have a bad line in there that is getting the wrong package |
| 19:38.52 | thewanderer1 | Upgreydd: no, as your user |
| 19:38.54 | babilen | apollolune: You have /etc/debian_version in there -- why is "cat /etc/debian_version" not working then? |
| 19:38.59 | Upgreydd | thewanderer1 OK |
| 19:39.02 | jhutchins_lt | wolgo: You have installed a 32 bit program on a 64 bit system. |
| 19:39.02 | wolgo | and it putting damn .so |
| 19:39.04 | wolgo | lol |
| 19:39.13 | Upgreydd | upgreydd@ns356890:/home$ stat --format=%a /home/upgreydd |
| 19:39.14 | Upgreydd | 700 |
| 19:39.15 | wolgo | jhutchins_lt: dah I am stupid |
| 19:39.22 | greycat | Upgreydd: chmod 711 /home/upgreydd |
| 19:39.24 | wolgo | one moment sorry for english |
| 19:39.40 | babilen | _droid: Did that work? And why do you think that the problem is passphrase related? (btw, i can read German) |
| 19:39.40 | jhutchins_lt | wolgo: We're sorry for english too <grin>. |
| 19:39.44 | ranix | wolgo: there are many people from many different countries here, it's no problem |
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| 19:39.59 | Upgreydd | ok it's working :] thank you guys :] |
| 19:39.59 | wolgo | okay |
| 19:40.04 | wolgo | now this is so pissing off |
| 19:40.20 | babilen | if offpissed as well |
| 19:40.21 | _droid | babilen |
| 19:40.27 | babilen | yeah? |
| 19:40.28 | wolgo | I have mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 19:40.42 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: That won't get him far without a -R |
| 19:40.42 | _droid | babilen: ok, well it is because i can't get an ip address |
| 19:40.48 | wolgo | and security debian for lenny/updates main |
| 19:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | Or not. |
| 19:40.53 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: it might. hard to tell. |
| 19:41.05 | greycat | I would NOT advise him to do a chmod -R on his $HOME |
| 19:41.05 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Apparantly you fixed it. |
| 19:41.05 | _droid | babilen: and! im logged onto the machine with ssh |
| 19:41.07 | wolgo | is this wrong package source? |
| 19:41.11 | babilen | _droid: Ok, how did you configure wpa_supplicant? Do you use roaming mode? |
| 19:41.21 | Upgreydd | thewanderer1: can i PM you? |
| 19:41.22 | wolgo | for 64bits machine |
| 19:41.27 | thewanderer1 | Upgreydd: you can. |
| 19:41.32 | greycat | there are a whole lot of files in $HOME that you would NOT want to give world +r permissions to |
| 19:41.50 | thewanderer1 | apollolune: this is inconsistent with what you had said later, you said there was no /etc/debian_release, I am confused |
| 19:41.57 | _droid | babilen: 1 sec |
| 19:42.01 | babilen | thewanderer1: exactly |
| 19:42.05 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: True, I would have applied it to the htdocs directory. Nevertheless. |
| 19:42.15 | wolgo | I want to making some electronics skematics |
| 19:42.31 | nsadmin | thewanderer1: probably what does exist is /etc/debian_version |
| 19:42.50 | wolgo | jhutchins_lt: I have mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main and security.debian.org lenny/updates main1~ |
| 19:42.57 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: he already showed us drwxr-xr-x 9 upgreydd users 224 maj 2 20:53 /home/upgreydd/htdocs |
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| 19:43.25 | babilen | _droid: Take your time - i'll be back in a second. You might want to paste your /etc/network/interfaces, wpa_supplicant.conf and /var/log/daemon.log (just relevant parts for the connection) to a pastebin in the meanwhile |
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| 19:43.31 | nsadmin | and apache is refusing because it's not owned by www-data? |
| 19:43.31 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Missed that, was waiting for it. |
| 19:43.32 | stiwan | hi |
| 19:43.44 | greycat | nsadmin: no, it couldn't get past /home/upgreydd which was 700 |
| 19:43.49 | stiwan | i need to have bash >= 3.2 on debian etch. how can i install it? |
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| 19:44.10 | nsadmin | so the owner is correct? |
| 19:44.13 | greycat | stiwan: build it from source and put the custom-built version in /usr/local/bin (not /bin) and run it as needed |
| 19:44.34 | stiwan | greycat: thank you, i'll give it a shot. |
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| 19:45.04 | cirzgamanti | hi, since the last upgrade yesterday (testing), flash is defunct in opera and chrome. i upgraded to the latest flash version, but it's still not working. is this a common problem? |
| 19:45.14 | apollolune | thewanderer1: I de-chrooted and re-chrooted (in case I missed the /boot), so now debian_version gives "squeeze/sid" |
| 19:45.16 | greycat | meanwhile, work on a way to get off etch when you can |
| 19:45.23 | cirzgamanti | it says "upgrade your flash player" |
| 19:45.26 | nsadmin | stiwan: you are advised that putting a different bash in the system-wide place (which is probably /bin/bash) will very likely break many parts of your system |
| 19:45.26 | wolgo | jhutchins_lt: I have mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main and security.debian.org lenny/updates main is this wrong for 64bits system? |
| 19:45.33 | wolgo | oops sorry for spam |
| 19:45.46 | wolgo | I meant for send to whole channel |
| 19:45.48 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: I do not run amd64, I believe you have to specify it in your sources, but I'm not at all certain. |
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| 19:46.14 | JordiGH | How do you control CPU scaling? |
| 19:46.41 | JordiGH | I think the Gnome applets for CPU scaling are buggy. |
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| 19:47.10 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: wrong nick, but I don't think you put the arch in sources.list |
| 19:47.15 | Voldenet | you need CONFIG_CPU_FREQ enabled |
| 19:47.30 | JordiGH | Voldenet: What, in Linux? |
| 19:47.41 | JordiGH | Voldenet: Debian's Linux doesn't have that? |
| 19:47.45 | Voldenet | while building kernel |
| 19:47.48 | Voldenet | debian might have it |
| 19:47.49 | stiwan | nsadmin: i need to use a software that requires bash >= 3.2 |
| 19:47.50 | Voldenet | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq |
| 19:47.53 | JordiGH | Voldenet: We are in #debian. |
| 19:47.54 | greycat | you could look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) to see |
| 19:47.56 | Voldenet | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq |
| 19:48.10 | Voldenet | if you have scaling, then it should display something |
| 19:48.36 | babilen | _droid: You could also join #debian.de if you prefer to talk in German |
| 19:48.39 | Voldenet | you can also echo <Hz> > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed |
| 19:48.44 | Voldenet | to change your speed |
| 19:48.45 | JordiGH | Voldenet: Ok, Debian has it. |
| 19:48.46 | Voldenet | that's all |
| 19:49.07 | JordiGH | What's the way to edit sys without a text editor? |
| 19:49.12 | JordiGH | There was some command... |
| 19:49.16 | greycat | sysctl |
| 19:49.19 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
| 19:49.44 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 19:49.48 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: So apt should determine the architecture via the environment? How'd he get a 32b iceweasel then? |
| 19:49.49 | JordiGH | <unsupported> |
| 19:49.54 | JordiGH | I guess Linux can't scale my CPU frequency? |
| 19:50.01 | JordiGH | But I've definitely seen CPU scaling happen! |
| 19:50.02 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: no idea |
| 19:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel --arch amd64 |
| 19:50.04 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; sid: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 19:50.05 | JordiGH | Is that my BIOS? |
| 19:50.07 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel -arch amd64 |
| 19:50.09 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 19:50.18 | ranix | wolgo: apt-config dump | fgrep Arch will show you the arch of packages that apt is downloading by default |
| 19:50.59 | _droid | babilen: no i don't have a problem talking englisch |
| 19:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel --arch i386 |
| 19:51.07 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; sid: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 19:51.07 | ranix | also dpkg-architecture |
| 19:51.19 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel --arch amd64 |
| 19:51.20 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; sid: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 19:51.32 | ranix | identical |
| 19:51.42 | jhutchins_lt | wolgo: I recommend the one from backports, MUCH better performance. |
| 19:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | wolgo: Purge the current version, check your apt setup, aptitude install -t lenny-backports iceweasel |
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| 19:53.10 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Possibly your hardware doesn't support it? |
| 19:53.12 | wolgo | okay |
| 19:53.15 | wolgo | I am doing |
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| 19:53.27 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Well, someone is definitely scaling it. |
| 19:53.46 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Perhaps the BIOS does, but doesn't support acpi? |
| 19:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Perhaps you don't have acpi support enabled? |
| 19:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Unfortunately the support site listed in the error message is dead. |
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| 19:54.27 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: What error message? |
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| 19:54.55 | babilen | _droid: Does it work with the configuration generated by wpa_passphrase ? |
| 19:55.00 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: The one that comes with <unsupported> |
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| 19:55.21 | Voldenet | JordiGH, what mainboard are you using? |
| 19:55.32 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: I see no URL. |
| 19:55.54 | _droid | babilen: i have put the passphrase as is into the wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 19:56.16 | _droid | babilen: in the mean time i have talked to the guys from the debian-de channel |
| 19:57.26 | JordiGH | Voldenet: Uh. Mainboard? I can cat /proc/cpuinfo for you... |
| 19:57.34 | wolgo | I am try to install iceweasel now |
| 19:57.44 | wolgo | 64bits iceewasel |
| 19:57.49 | wolgo | damnit typing |
| 19:57.54 | _droid | babilen: and they are telling me that i can put everything into the /network/interfaces file |
| 19:58.14 | wolgo | it say xpcshell error while loading shared libraries libnspr4.so.0d |
| 19:58.20 | wolgo | wrong elfclass again |
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| 19:58.59 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Ah, well, when I ran it on lenny it listed my hardware and said to report it to the support site, which is dead. |
| 19:59.15 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: You ran what, cat? |
| 19:59.35 | nsadmin | Runs With Cats? |
| 19:59.37 | ranix | wolgo: I find that file in ia32-libs |
| 19:59.50 | JordiGH | nsadmin: Dances With Cats. |
| 20:00.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell JordiGH about suspend troubleshooting |
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| 20:00.06 | JordiGH | the hell... |
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| 20:00.14 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: I'm not having problems with suspend. |
| 20:00.32 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Are you trying to talk to someone else? |
| 20:00.34 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Dang, what am I thinking. |
| 20:00.36 | ranix | wolgo: can you cat /etc/debian_version and show me what version you're running |
| 20:00.40 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: No, just a brainfart. |
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| 20:01.02 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: I tried cpu scaling on my servers the same day I tried suspend on my laptop. |
| 20:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | (Niether worked) |
| 20:01.13 | JordiGH | Funny. |
| 20:01.18 | wolgo | 5.0.5 |
| 20:01.22 | wolgo | it say 5.0.5 |
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| 20:01.34 | wolgo | and the .deb say amd64.deb in var cache |
| 20:01.42 | wolgo | Arch isamd64 |
| 20:02.31 | greycat | maybe it's his libnspr4 package that's wrong...? |
| 20:02.37 | ranix | wolgo: try an apt-get install libnspr4-0d |
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| 20:02.42 | cirzgamanti | so, i have an amd64 debian testing, and could run flash in browsers just fine, until yesterday. |
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| 20:03.03 | wolgo | let me say this |
| 20:03.08 | wolgo | openoffice use libnspr |
| 20:03.16 | wolgo | and it is work |
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| 20:03.30 | wolgo | but it is not working for iceweasel |
| 20:03.43 | greycat | maybe you have two different versions of iceweasel installed, and you're running the wrong one? |
| 20:03.50 | ranix | wolgo: do a whereis libnspr4 |
| 20:03.50 | cirzgamanti | adobe says it's a problem to run their plugin on a 64 system, but as it did work there should be an easy way to fix this? right now, iceweasel tells me "wrong ELF class ELFCLASS32" about the flash plugin. |
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| 20:04.06 | greycat | O_o |
| 20:04.16 | wolgo | this is pissing off me |
| 20:04.34 | thewanderer1 | cirzgamanti: have you used a howto for this? forums.debian.net -> HowTos -> flash |
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| 20:04.45 | wolgo | hey does anyone read doctor who comic book? |
| 20:05.43 | rrn | I receive intermittent kernel panics (upon boot) in VirtualBox with Lenny; I have had this experience with other versions of VirtualBox as well. |
| 20:05.53 | cirzgamanti | thewanderer1: nice thx! i only found a pretty old debian flash howto via google. |
| 20:06.00 | cirzgamanti | (wiki iirc) |
| 20:06.36 | thewanderer1 | rrn: are you saying Lenny is your guest system? |
| 20:06.42 | rrn | thewanderer1: Yes |
| 20:06.57 | smv | on eth0 i have a cable that is used to make a PPPoE connection to the ISP. on eth1 i have binded a DHCP server to allow other machines to connect to the internet. the problem is that the DHCP works, but i can't connect to the internet from those machines. am i missing something? perhaps something betwen ppp0 and eth1? |
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| 20:07.17 | greycat | smv: you need to enable IPv4 forwarding |
| 20:07.55 | greycat | smv: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 20:07.55 | wolgo | im totally removegnome xulrunner and libnspr |
| 20:07.58 | thewanderer1 | smv, google for "linux router" or gateway or something |
| 20:08.02 | wolgo | purging |
| 20:08.05 | wolgo | then start again |
| 20:08.19 | greycat | or there may be more up-to-date guides out there. that one's what google fed me. |
| 20:08.21 | thewanderer1 | rrn: then go through the usual debugging procedure - read dmesg and so on |
| 20:08.23 | rrn | thewanderer1: kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt |
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| 20:08.37 | smv | my google-fu is broken today... |
| 20:08.50 | wolgo | hey guys waht guys |
| 20:08.55 | wolgo | I remove gnome |
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| 20:09.00 | wolgo | and it start working |
| 20:09.05 | wolgo | pissing gnome |
| 20:09.06 | wolgo | sick |
| 20:09.13 | wolgo | god dam gnome |
| 20:09.27 | wolgo | now I install gnome and prove it breaks my items. |
| 20:09.47 | thewanderer1 | rrn: disable NMI as your Linux module says - really, do read boot messages when you see them, please |
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| 20:10.13 | wolgo | hey guess wat |
| 20:10.25 | thewanderer1 | rrn: if the problem persists, get a newer kernel / virtualbox |
| 20:10.26 | wolgo | I install gnome and it makes iceweasel not work with elfclass wrong issue |
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| 20:10.44 | nickaugust | ok I jsut got this ironkey encrypted usb stick and im trying to install it. heres the syslog from where i plug it in: http://sprunge.us/PXVj it looks like it creates a psuedo cdrom drive to run the decryption script. how do I mount that cdrom listed in the syslog? |
| 20:11.07 | wolgo | mount -t iso9660 |
| 20:11.15 | wolgo | and device of cdrom |
| 20:11.20 | wolgo | on loop |
| 20:11.25 | wolgo | sorry my english |
| 20:11.40 | nickaugust | wolgo: thx ill try that |
| 20:11.52 | wolgo | that ishow for iso image |
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| 20:12.02 | wolgo | maybe reference to solve your item |
| 20:12.06 | greycat | nickaugust: mount -o loop filename /mount/point |
| 20:12.13 | wolgo | jhutchins_lt: gnome installing breaks it |
| 20:12.18 | nickaugust | greycat: thx. what is the loop part? |
| 20:12.21 | greycat | if it's a file, not a device. |
| 20:12.24 | wolgo | I remove gnome and works |
| 20:12.31 | wolgo | I add gnome it break |
| 20:12.33 | wolgo | breaks |
| 20:12.45 | wolgo | thank you for helping |
| 20:12.46 | jhutchins_lt | wolgo: Learn to love kde. |
| 20:12.51 | wolgo | this does not make sense |
| 20:12.58 | wolgo | iceweasel use gtk |
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| 20:13.00 | nickaugust | greycat: i think its a device though becuase it shows up as scsi in syslog |
| 20:13.01 | greycat | nickaugust: oh, hm.... it looks like yours actually makes a device. so you probably don't need the -o loop part. |
| 20:13.03 | wolgo | why is gnome breaking? |
| 20:13.12 | Upgreydd | thanks guys cy'a |
| 20:13.12 | wolgo | breaking iceweasl |
| 20:13.30 | thewanderer1 | wolgo: have you followed that howto |
| 20:13.32 | thewanderer1 | ? |
| 20:13.32 | nickaugust | greycat: yeah... so just mount <device> /mnt/ironkey |
| 20:13.40 | nickaugust | greycat: but what do I put as the device? |
| 20:13.53 | wolgo | no |
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| 20:13.59 | greycat | you could try /dev/sr0 |
| 20:14.04 | wolgo | I just remove gnome |
| 20:14.14 | wolgo | and it works |
| 20:14.16 | thewanderer1 | wolgo: well, do as you wish. it works for me. |
| 20:14.37 | wolgo | gnome install then iceweasel breaks |
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| 20:14.44 | wolgo | remove gnome starts working again |
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| 20:15.03 | wolgo | what is how to you are talking about |
| 20:15.10 | wolgo | I missed in the windo |
| 20:15.32 | greycat | the howto was for the OTHER person who was reporting an ELFCLASS32 error |
| 20:15.38 | greycat | there were two of you. |
| 20:15.45 | wolgo | I am not having flash issue |
| 20:15.53 | wolgo | I am having shared object issue |
| 20:16.14 | rrn | thewanderer1: Thanks! |
| 20:16.19 | wolgo | I use monodevelop for flash |
| 20:16.24 | wolgo | it is working nice |
| 20:16.31 | wolgo | not monodevelop |
| 20:16.36 | wolgo | but flash develop |
| 20:16.40 | wolgo | with flex sdk |
| 20:16.42 | wolgo | I like |
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| 20:17.10 | wolgo | jhutchins_lt: thanks for helping |
| 20:17.12 | wolgo | I appreciate |
| 20:17.20 | wolgo | now I am building some stuff |
| 20:17.25 | wolgo | bye |
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| 20:18.22 | pzn | if I copy from one HD to another the full HD with "cp -a", if in original HD, files "a" and "b" are hardlinks to eachother, in new HD, will they be links too? |
| 20:18.45 | Voldenet | pzn, do you know what hardlink is? |
| 20:18.50 | Voldenet | a is not link to a |
| 20:18.54 | greycat | pzn: you could test it with a directory with two files in it. |
| 20:18.55 | Voldenet | b* |
| 20:19.13 | greycat | Voldenet: his question seemed semantically correct to me. |
| 20:19.25 | thewanderer1 | pzn, man cp |
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| 20:19.32 | pzn | greycat, the obvious question is not allways obvious! how couldn't I think about "trying before asking" :-) |
| 20:19.43 | greycat | might be faster to conduct the test than find the answer in manuals :) |
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| 20:21.10 | apollolune | thewanderer1: I'm gonna google (again) tomorow morning, thx for your help |
| 20:22.11 | pzn | greycat, yeah! cp is nice! it copies the hardlinks! in destination dir, a and b are hardlinked to eachother :-) |
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| 20:23.06 | qwd | Debian Sid AMD64 Gnome using Intel G33 (graphics). I installed Compiz and I don't have any window borders or title bars. Windows decorations is enabled but it's still not showing up. Anyone know what to do? |
| 20:23.11 | greycat | pzn: good. |
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| 20:23.34 | thewanderer1 | qwd: check what Compiz gives you if you run it in the console |
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| 20:24.02 | pzn | greycat, sure! to move one rsnapshot directory with tens of thousand hardlinks to another HD, it is very nice that "cp" preserve links |
| 20:25.05 | nickaugust | whats the difference between /mnt and /media? |
| 20:25.09 | greycat | pzn: I normally use rsync for that, but there are lots of tools that work |
| 20:25.21 | thewanderer1 | !tell nickaugust about FHS |
| 20:25.27 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: thx |
| 20:25.52 | qwd | thewanderer1: http://debian.pastebin.com/xLGzWJmu |
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| 20:26.24 | pzn | greycat, rsnapshot uses rsync. it creates one directory per day, all hardlinked to previous day, than it rsync the new directory. result: I have one directory with an exact copy of each day. then I keep last 30 days. |
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| 20:26.54 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: well i know that. i just mean theyre pretty much the same thing |
| 20:26.59 | qwd | thewanderer1: oh, doing compiz --replace gave me borders. but I don't want to have to type that in a terminal every time I reboot! |
| 20:27.33 | thewanderer1 | qwd: then put it in autostart, |
| 20:27.41 | qwd | this is what I did to use compiz at startup: echo "export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/compiz" >> ~/.gnomerc |
| 20:27.56 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust: /media is currently recommended in Debian over /mnt for removable drives |
| 20:28.22 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: so I should put my usb drive at /media? |
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| 20:29.11 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust: yes, unless you have a reason not to, for example treat it as permanent storage |
| 20:29.44 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: whats an example of something i'd put at /mnt then? like a network drive or something more permenant? |
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| 20:30.16 | theball | a permenant exteral usb drive is a good example |
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| 20:30.23 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust: drive partitions, development stuff mounted at there, network mounts too, failing to find a more specific place |
| 20:30.45 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: ok gotcha. thanks man. |
| 20:31.02 | qwd | I got that from the Debian wiki, is there anything wrong with it since I need to do "compiz --replace" again in order to get window borders? |
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| 20:31.41 | thewanderer1 | qwd: no, it has never worked for me without --replace |
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| 20:33.40 | qwd | thewanderer1: so I just go to startup applications and add compiz --replace? |
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| 20:33.47 | cirzgamanti | thewanderer1: i followed the nspluginwrapper description on the howto. now i have (via flashplayer-mozilla) flash in iceweasel without sound, and opera still not working :( |
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| 20:35.11 | thewanderer1 | cirzgamanti: as they say "..it happens!" |
| 20:35.18 | cirzgamanti | oh, dammit. my sound system is broken now. |
| 20:35.22 | qwd | thewanderer1: Thanks for the help! |
| 20:36.01 | qwd | (and in case anyone is wondering, yes, you just add that as a startup application) |
| 20:36.02 | thewanderer1 | cirzgamanti: one has to be careful with packages :P |
| 20:36.50 | cirzgamanti | i didn't have serious problems for months. that let me become careless. |
| 20:37.38 | thewanderer1 | yes, maintaining a Slackware installation is helpful not to become lazy |
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| 20:38.25 | cirzgamanti | so, any ideas how to get alsa back after having installed ia32-libs? |
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| 20:38.46 | cirzgamanti | i'd rather have sound and no flash :P |
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| 20:38.57 | thewanderer1 | cirzgamanti: well, remove ia32-libs? :P |
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| 20:39.38 | cirzgamanti | this usually only makes it worse... |
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| 20:40.49 | cirzgamanti | ok, i now have no flash and no sound. |
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| 20:41.50 | thewanderer1 | cirzgamanti: a reboot sometimes helps |
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| 20:42.45 | cirzgamanti | what is this, windows?! ;) |
| 20:42.55 | thewanderer1 | no, but we're getting close |
| 20:44.50 | greycat | Long misspelled /quit message is long. |
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| 20:46.07 | {g} | Hey People! On one of my VMs, when I use top, i see crazy values for %CPU. Like 4999 ord 3814 or 9999. How can a task take up 9999% of the CPU time? |
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| 20:46.09 | dFence | hey guys... |
| 20:46.42 | jhutchins_lt | {g}: They're not real CPUs. |
| 20:46.47 | iman | how can i config ip and port in epiphany? |
| 20:47.08 | dFence | i got 2 devices connected to each other, each has a eth0.0 and a eth0.2 configured with a static IP - eth0.2 is working just fine, eth0.0 won't -- ideas? |
| 20:47.10 | jhutchins_lt | iman: epiphany's a browser. |
| 20:47.31 | {g} | heroxbd: sure. but why does top think im using 9999% of the time of the virtual machine? |
| 20:47.37 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: ideas? |
| 20:47.37 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 starving bunnies. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:47.55 | thewanderer1 | {g}: press [1] in top and observe. |
| 20:48.05 | iman | jhutchins: i know but i want to change ip and port for filtering |
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| 20:48.43 | thewanderer1 | iman: you are not understanding this, it seems |
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| 20:49.18 | {g} | thewanderer1: observer what? i now see a line for each cpu. |
| 20:49.31 | iman | thewanderer1: i can config ip and port in firefox and opera and ie and mozaic |
| 20:49.59 | thewanderer1 | iman: no, you can not. do you mean proxy? |
| 20:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | iman: We have no idea what you're talking about. |
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| 20:50.17 | thewanderer1 | {g}, this is good, since you should now be seeing more normal values... |
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| 20:50.48 | iman | thewanderer1: ok, how can i search in apt-get ? |
| 20:50.56 | greycat | iman: apt-cache search |
| 20:51.07 | jhutchins_lt | iman: Not sure you can, apt-cache or aptitude can though. |
| 20:51.07 | thewanderer1 | {g}: if you are not, then look for the documentation of your virtual machine solution |
| 20:51.19 | iman | greycat: for example : apt-get search firefox ? |
| 20:51.26 | jhutchins_lt | iman: No. |
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| 20:51.48 | {g} | thewanderer1: i still see tasks that use up high numbers of CPU time. Like 9999% and 3184% and all kinds of numbers. |
| 20:51.56 | iman | jhutchins: why ? |
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| 20:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | {g}: This is not a debian problem, it is how top interacts with your vm system. |
| 20:53.29 | jhutchins_lt | iman: Because apt-cache doesn't search. Use apt-file or aptitude instead, they can search. |
| 20:54.07 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: apt-cache does search in apt cache... |
| 20:54.27 | jhutchins_lt | Er, apt-get doesn't search. |
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| 20:54.36 | thewanderer1 | yes, true |
| 20:54.40 | jhutchins_lt | typo, sorry iman |
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| 21:03.08 | iman | i can search in yum with : yum search firefox |
| 21:03.19 | iman | but in debian i can do it with apt |
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| 21:04.05 | engrxyz | aptitude |
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| 21:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | iman: One more time, apt-cache or aptitude for searching. |
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| 21:09.30 | pallgone | geez, I'm just experimenting a bit with compiz and emerald... emerald looks really cool. I didn't know GNOME can be tweaked to look better than Windows 7 |
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| 21:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | I really can't see wasting resources on desktop eyecandy. I see my desktop so seldom I forget what background I've got. |
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| 21:11.48 | ranix | I enjoy display compositing in xfce because it allows me to see through inactive windows to the windows behind them |
| 21:11.57 | ranix | transparency is useful to me |
| 21:12.22 | jhutchins_lt | 99% of my time I'm in a full-screen ap. |
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| 21:13.03 | ranix | I use three monitors on two computers, the left is devoted to fullscreen apps, the center to terminals and clutter, and the far right to the second PC |
| 21:13.11 | ranix | works well |
| 21:13.28 | ranix | right now I have 8 xterms open |
| 21:13.35 | ranix | two of which are screen sessions |
| 21:14.01 | pallgone | I was on tiling WMs for a long time... but finally I got back to gnome... I was sick of those apps that don't conform. I use terminator now. it can tile terminals... |
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| 21:25.30 | msh07 | Hello!, |
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| 21:26.15 | msh07 | Sorry for the bother, but I have a doubt... |
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| 21:26.27 | msh07 | How I can do to make the process of authentication to a RADIUS server is called a process that stores the user's mac address of the router, the username and time? |
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| 21:26.58 | msh07 | with freeradius or other server, |
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| 21:28.26 | iman | http://paste.debian.net/81769/, why it wants remove package ? |
| 21:28.55 | jhutchins_lt | msh07: #freeradius |
| 21:29.10 | jhutchins_lt | msh07: See also the mailinglist. |
| 21:29.28 | msh07 | jhutchins_lt, ok, thanks ;) |
| 21:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | iman: You apear to have some messed up dependencies. You may be able to fix them with aptitude in menu mode. |
| 21:30.39 | jhutchins_lt | iman: firefox is provided by iceweasel. |
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| 21:36.49 | karaeska | ohai |
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| 21:40.44 | ZitZ | can't get b43 to find any wireless networks on a new squeeze install |
| 21:41.24 | AimHere | What does dmesg say? |
| 21:41.39 | AimHere | Relevant to wireless networks, that is |
| 21:41.43 | ZitZ | duh, i forgot the firmware |
| 21:41.50 | AimHere | I suspected that |
| 21:41.51 | babilen | yup |
| 21:41.57 | ZitZ | what package is that in again? |
| 21:42.13 | babilen | IIRC you need b43-fwcutter to extract the firmware |
| 21:42.21 | babilen | ,info b43-fwcutter |
| 21:42.23 | judd | b43-fwcutter (contrib/utils, optional): Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. Version: 1:011-5; Size: 16.0k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 21:42.26 | babilen | !b43 |
| 21:42.26 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:42.29 | ZitZ | i sear i installed that |
| 21:42.32 | AimHere | fwcutter isn't that good, IIRC |
| 21:42.42 | babilen | !wl |
| 21:42.42 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
| 21:42.57 | AimHere | The firmware it cuts from your working windows driver might not actually work with the linux driver |
| 21:43.13 | babilen | ZitZ: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here please? |
| 21:43.38 | ZitZ | 0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 21:43.40 | babilen | AimHere: IIRC it downloads a compatible firmware |
| 21:43.47 | babilen | ,pcii 14e4:4315 |
| 21:43.48 | ZitZ | btw, i've had this working yesterday |
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| 21:43.56 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 21:43.57 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 21:44.05 | ZitZ | i just redid my computer because i got too cute trying to get 32 bit flash working on 64 bit |
| 21:44.29 | ZitZ | not completely redone, i keep the home directory intact, (gotta love linux) |
| 21:44.51 | ZitZ | sidux installs this all by default, btw |
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| 21:45.40 | ranix | careful of !sidux and !based-on-debian |
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| 21:45.51 | ZitZ | yeah, i know, it is |
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| 21:46.19 | ZitZ | its close enough to debian that I like it |
| 21:46.40 | ZitZ | i've never used anything other than debian, after i switched from windows like 4 years ago |
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| 21:47.11 | babilen | ZitZ: You also need to install the b43-firmware package |
| 21:47.17 | babilen | ,versions b43-firmware |
| 21:47.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'b43-firmware' was found. |
| 21:47.38 | ZitZ | why is judd saying no package found? |
| 21:47.44 | babilen | ,versions firmware-b43 |
| 21:47.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'firmware-b43' was found. |
| 21:47.52 | ranix | b43-fwcutter |
| 21:47.58 | ranix | it's very very non-free |
| 21:48.14 | ZitZ | i just enabled non-free and installed synaptic so i'll do a search now |
| 21:48.27 | babilen | ,info firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
| 21:48.29 | judd | No record of package 'firmware-b43-lpphy-installer' in lenny/i386. |
| 21:48.37 | babilen | ,info firmware-b43-lpphy-installer --release squeeze |
| 21:48.38 | judd | firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (contrib/kernel, optional): Installer package for firmware for the b43 driver (LP-PHY version). Version: 4.174.64.19-4; Size: 5.1k; Installed: 48k |
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| 21:48.51 | themill | ZitZ: it's in contrib not non-free -- make sure you have that too |
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| 21:49.02 | babilen | ZitZ: Sorry for the spam -- it is firmware-b43-lpphy-installer and is in contrib |
| 21:49.10 | ZitZ | yep, i always enable both anyway |
| 21:49.23 | ranix | you may want to follow http://wiki.debian.org/wl if possible |
| 21:49.42 | ZitZ | what does lpphy mean anyway? |
| 21:50.17 | babilen | ZitZ: It's the one for your card (compare with the lspci output) |
| 21:50.35 | ZitZ | yeah, i just saw that |
| 21:50.46 | ranix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHY_%28chip%29 |
| 21:50.53 | ZitZ | it's the only card supported by that package too, i didn't know i was so special :) |
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| 21:51.38 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 21:51.50 | Innocentus | so I have tried to uninstall a manually installed version of php5 |
| 21:51.53 | dFence | is it possible to establish a pppoe connection from device A through dsl-modem C with switch B patched in between? |
| 21:52.01 | Innocentus | but I haven't suceeded because I don't know how... |
| 21:52.10 | babilen | ranix, ZitZ: If I read the wl factoid correctly, his/your card is actually supported by the b43 module since 2.6.32 |
| 21:53.08 | jordanm | Innocentus: how many times are you going to ask? I mean really? last time your were not only given ideas, but also the proper place to ask, #php. what have you done since? |
| 21:54.18 | jordanm | Innocentus: I am sorry for the harshness, but you need to take what you have already been given and go with it. |
| 21:54.21 | ranix | babilen: I read that as "only bcm4312 is supported |
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| 21:54.49 | babilen | !bcm4312 |
| 21:54.49 | dpkg | Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (contrib) in Squeeze. Lenny users: for Linux 2.6.32 packages, ask me about <bpo>; see also http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp to provide required firmware. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>. |
| 21:54.54 | jordanm | (or ask a more specific question about an issue you are having) |
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| 21:55.37 | paul__ | hey, thanks for helping with the b43 problem |
| 21:55.57 | paul__ | (I was ZitZ but I somehow can't log on with that again) |
| 21:56.05 | paul__ | lol, i was just kicked |
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| 21:56.47 | paul__ | would someone here happen to have the newest 64-bit linux version that adobe made? |
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| 21:56.59 | babilen | paul__: of what? |
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| 21:57.06 | paul__ | of flash player 10 |
| 21:57.13 | paul__ | before they discontinued it |
| 21:57.34 | jordanm | the one with the serious security flaw? |
| 21:57.40 | paul__ | yes, that one! |
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| 21:57.48 | jordanm | paul__: you can run the 32bit plugin using nspluginwrapper, which is recommended |
| 21:58.11 | jordanm | I believe it is even automagic when installing the flashplayer-nonfree |
| 21:58.29 | paul__ | no, i'm not going to do that, it is next to impossible to get that to run with pulseaudio properly |
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| 21:58.45 | jordanm | !snapshots |
| 21:58.45 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 21:58.50 | paul__ | i think people over react when it comes to the security stuff |
| 21:58.56 | babilen_ | nope - i don't have it, but it might be available on ^^^ |
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| 21:59.24 | ron_o | "Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked," said Bolton |
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| 21:59.47 | jordanm | ron_o: wrong channel? |
| 21:59.51 | ron_o | wrong channel.. ooops. |
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| 22:00.00 | jhutchins_lt | Won't be on the debian snapshots, because debian can't distribute flash. |
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| 22:00.19 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: it does, in squeeze non-free |
| 22:00.46 | jordanm | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:00.48 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
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| 22:01.07 | paul__ | yeah, i just found it too |
| 22:01.16 | jordanm | but they are not actually distributing flash, since it downloads it from adobe.com |
| 22:01.47 | jordanm | ah, that is right... |
| 22:01.49 | themill | a snapshot version of the installer isn't going to find older or removed versions of adobe flash, however |
| 22:01.56 | jordanm | paul__: the old packages do not actually include the flashplugin |
| 22:02.29 | paul__ | darn, you're right |
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| 22:02.50 | paul__ | then you're only going to find it if someone actually kept the *.so file |
| 22:02.51 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I believe that's just the installer that pulls flash itself from Adobe's site; I think they don't allow it to be distributed by anyone else. |
| 22:03.20 | jhutchins_lt | reminds himself to FINISH reading the scrollback before he posts. |
| 22:03.23 | paul__ | i found an alpha version online, but i'd rather get the beta, i wish i would have known before upgrading |
| 22:04.16 | paul__ | if i had more than one 64 bit machine, i would have noticed it on one before upgrading the other |
| 22:04.40 | paul__ | ooops, i gotta go, thanks guys, i'll see you later maybe |
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| 22:04.53 | jhutchins_lt | mumble mumble BACKUPS mumble... |
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| 22:05.48 | mohadib_ | is it possible to have my window manager never start windows in a maximized state? |
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| 22:11.13 | nickaugust | hey im getting this error when i run fbi (the console image viewer) under tmux. ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument (not a linux console?) someone in #tmux told me to set my $TERM variable but when I do export $TERM=tmux and then $TERM it runs screen. where is TERM set and is 'tmux' a valid value for it? |
| 22:12.00 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust: export TERM=tmux, not export $TERM=tmux |
| 22:12.53 | jordanm | $TERM=tmux is perl syntax |
| 22:13.08 | nickaugust | jordanm: thewanderer1: thanks! |
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| 22:16.28 | r0nin101011 | exit |
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| 22:17.51 | nickaugust | tmux is not valid defaulting to ansi: http://sprunge.us/ELRP |
| 22:17.56 | nickaugust | should i just be using ansi? |
| 22:18.03 | nickaugust | for TERM |
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| 22:22.10 | Gabrys | hi, I have built qt and qtwebkit for ARM if anyone's interested |
| 22:22.17 | Gabrys | from experimental deb-src |
| 22:22.26 | Gabrys | http://piotr.gabryjeluk.pl/dev:qt-4-7-and-qtwebkit-2-0-debian-packages-for-arm |
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| 22:24.07 | thewanderer1 | hm, does anyone have CISH (cisco shell) archive? the site's been down for long. |
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| 22:24.48 | ranix | Gabrys: that looks like it may be rather useful but you might not hit the target audience in this channel |
| 22:25.02 | ranix | Gabrys: I think there is a mailing list that would more properly appreciate that |
| 22:25.11 | ranix | I don't know what it is, but I bet themill does |
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| 22:27.55 | dbuduru | ifno |
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| 22:28.59 | Gabrys | ranix: still this message goes to logs, so someone will hopefully find it |
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| 22:30.08 | exaboy | im trying to scp a file from a server to my server but i get this message "stdin: is not a tty" but it downloads the file. however its corrupt |
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| 22:31.20 | exaboy | any ideas why that message is happening? |
| 22:32.10 | exaboy | is it something like the other server not handling the scp connection or something. seems strange that it will still get cp the fi,e |
| 22:32.22 | thewanderer1 | does ssh work? |
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| 22:33.25 | exaboy | yes |
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| 22:34.17 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea why scp would assume the stdin being a tty |
| 22:34.31 | thewanderer1 | can you authenticate? have you tried typing the wrong password? |
| 22:34.37 | dbuduru | is 5900 the default port for vncserver ? |
| 22:34.40 | exaboy | when i try to un tar it i get "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" |
| 22:34.54 | exaboy | i will try now |
| 22:34.57 | thewanderer1 | dbuduru: yes |
| 22:35.14 | exaboy | authentication is working correctly |
| 22:35.43 | thewanderer1 | what ssh server is that? |
| 22:35.54 | exaboy | ? |
| 22:35.57 | exaboy | which side? |
| 22:36.03 | thewanderer1 | the one which is broken |
| 22:36.10 | exaboy | debian |
| 22:36.15 | thewanderer1 | precisely |
| 22:36.16 | exaboy | im copying from centos to debian |
| 22:36.27 | thewanderer1 | from centos... right... |
| 22:36.36 | thewanderer1 | then copy it the other way round :P |
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| 22:36.59 | thewanderer1 | and I think ask the centos guy if it should behave that way - it sounds like a bug |
| 22:37.00 | exaboy | it wont work the other way around, its like the host has blocked outgoing scp |
| 22:37.21 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: if a host has blocked outgoing scp, then it's not supposed to work... |
| 22:37.22 | drags | exaboy: remove the motd from the server you're connecting to |
| 22:37.41 | exaboy | cannot change motd do not have those permissions |
| 22:38.00 | exaboy | i could try ftp i guess. |
| 22:38.17 | exaboy | gah havnt done ftp over commandline for years |
| 22:38.34 | themill | exaboy: you're running "stty" in your ~/.bashrc or similar. |
| 22:39.01 | exaboy | themill: how would i find that out? |
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| 22:39.48 | exaboy | no i only have a path export and umask in my ~/.bashrc |
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| 22:40.20 | wizardslovak | hello people |
| 22:40.24 | thewanderer1 | look at .profile, .bash_profile, /etc/profile and so on |
| 22:40.46 | wizardslovak | can anyone help a bit |
| 22:40.56 | wizardslovak | i wanna take a look at debian |
| 22:41.05 | wizardslovak | and i want to try to install it as server |
| 22:41.15 | wizardslovak | do i still need those 5 dvds? |
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| 22:41.58 | exaboy | ok no stty in any of those. |
| 22:42.08 | exaboy | wizardslovak no you can get a network install. |
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| 22:42.15 | drags | wizardslovak: go with a netinstall iso, as long as you have a net connection it's an installer in about 180MB which downloads the packages you need from the net |
| 22:42.29 | wizardslovak | oh ok |
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| 22:42.55 | babilen | wizardslovak: No, you definitely need all 5 DVDs (and maybe not even one). Do you have a working internet connection during the install and afterwards? If yes, try the netinstall image and download everyhting you need/want directly from the mirrors |
| 22:42.56 | wizardslovak | i am using ubuntu-server for now but i seen many people saying that debian is more better /stable |
| 22:43.04 | babilen | !tell wizardslovak -aboout netinstall |
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| 22:44.02 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.29 | wizardslovak | i got 24/7 internet access |
| 22:44.47 | wizardslovak | i just wan to give it a try |
| 22:45.03 | wizardslovak | does anyone uses debian as server? |
| 22:45.17 | moldovean | !anyone |
| 22:45.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 22:46.02 | wizardslovak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:46.47 | exaboy | wizardslovak you will find 99% of us here use debian as a server mate. |
| 22:46.58 | wizardslovak | oh good |
| 22:47.10 | dbuduru | I have a ssh server running on my debian box which is on my home wirless network. In order to connect from the outside world, I enabled port forwarding on my wireless router. When I opened port 22 on the router, I was bombarded with malicious attacks and I later changed the port mapping on the router to a number other than 22. the wireless router forwards the packets to 22 on my debian box. If I use putty on my windo |
| 22:47.10 | dbuduru | ws machine I can mention the port I can connect to. For other programs like rsync, rcp, rlogin.. I am having issues.. |
| 22:48.06 | wizardslovak | with few words , whoever used ubuntu server and debian server , how different are they? |
| 22:48.20 | nooper | drags: what issues? |
| 22:48.28 | nooper | i mean, dbuduru: what issues? |
| 22:48.47 | dbuduru | the commands are by default looking at port 22 on my wireless router and that is blocked.. is there a way to have those commands talk to xyz port on the router ? |
| 22:48.57 | exaboy | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 22:49.02 | wizardslovak | i know |
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| 22:50.05 | thewanderer1 | dbuduru: change your port in PuTTY... |
| 22:50.08 | nooper | dbuduru: scp man page shows the option for specifing a port |
| 22:50.08 | Tramp | dbuduru: yes, and it's mentioned in their manpages how to do it |
| 22:50.47 | thewanderer1 | oh, the message got cut. right. documentation ftw... |
| 22:50.56 | exaboy | i untared that file on the other server and its corrupt... LOL |
| 22:51.03 | exaboy | stupid tar |
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| 22:52.05 | moldovean | wizardslovak, /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:52.10 | mmu_screen | WTF |
| 22:52.17 | mmu_screen | BFS is not enabled in the default kernel |
| 22:52.21 | mmu_screen | (befs) |
| 22:52.25 | wizardslovak | same commands , as far as i know |
| 22:53.26 | moldovean | cars use 'same commands' too |
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| 22:55.08 | moldovean | CONFIG_BEFS_FS=m |
| 22:55.40 | moldovean | config-2.6.32-5-686, mmu_screen |
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| 22:56.00 | wizardslovak | looking nice so far |
| 22:56.16 | wizardslovak | debian has apt-get ? |
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| 22:56.47 | mmu_screen | moldovean: that's the problem, I need it at install time :P |
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| 22:57.12 | mmu_screen | I was testing http://revolf.free.fr/beos/60haiku on a real install |
| 22:57.24 | mmu_screen | but since it requires the partition to be mounted... |
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| 22:57.59 | mmu_screen | anyway, I know it works on an already installed system with update-grub2 |
| 22:58.17 | JordiGH | I'm told that grabbing a sid package for mercurial and installing it on lenny seems to work without complaints from dpkg. Is this any indication that it's really ok to do this? |
| 22:58.17 | mmu_screen | any os-prober dev awake ? |
| 22:59.31 | thewanderer1 | JordiGH: no, but at least dpkg thinks it has all the libraries it needs -or- its development is halted and nobody needs newer libs with it :P |
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| 23:00.01 | moldovean | mmu_screen, use bts for that |
| 23:00.12 | JordiGH | Could you conceivably have ABI breakage? mercurial's only library dependency is libc6. |
| 23:00.39 | thewanderer1 | JordiGH: expect no ABI breakage between libc6 versions |
| 23:01.54 | JordiGH | So why is there a backport for mercurial in backports.org if it's just ok to grab the sid mercurial and install it on lenny? |
| 23:02.30 | mmu_screen | moldovean: yeah was just fishing to avoid doing so |
| 23:02.37 | moldovean | mmu_screen, add an whishlist for os-prober |
| 23:03.41 | mmu_screen | yeah hmm there doesn't seem to be a form to add new ones, do I have to craft a mail ? |
| 23:03.47 | moldovean | mmu_screen, or ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:05.27 | moldovean | mmu_screen, i'll 'craft a mail' .. |
| 23:05.37 | mmu_screen | guess so |
| 23:05.45 | mmu_screen | I was just too lazy |
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| 23:06.35 | mmu_screen | the other day I sent a dozen of patches to util-linux-ng to fix portability problems and the only comment I got was the mail body wasn't wrapped (because Mail.app sux) |
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| 23:08.08 | moldovean | mmu_screen, isn't bts better for that, i thought it is |
| 23:08.14 | mmu_screen | Maintainer: Debian Install System Team <debian-boot@lists.debian.org> |
| 23:08.31 | mmu_screen | I'd cc them along with bugs@ |
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| 23:10.13 | moldovean | mmu_screen, heh, d-i id too busy, and subnumerical |
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| 23:10.56 | moldovean | s/ id / is |
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| 23:17.12 | Sia- | Hi |
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| 23:18.05 | Sia- | is possible to let OS like win inside Vbox have access to some directory out side from Vbox, for example directory in my main pc /home/me ? |
| 23:18.49 | jordanm | Sia-: if you are using the proprietary version of vbox, or host it through a network protocol, eg. ssh |
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| 23:19.23 | jordanm | the proprietary version allows for "shared folders" |
| 23:19.24 | Sia- | jordanm, i use it in desktop just for testing |
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| 23:23.04 | thewanderer1 | how do I programatically manage iptables rules? |
| 23:23.42 | JordiGH | Like, with a shell script? |
| 23:23.50 | JordiGH | Perl script, whatever? |
| 23:23.52 | thewanderer1 | more like "help, I'm in C..." |
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| 23:24.26 | JordiGH | system("iptables-script.pl") |
| 23:24.39 | thewanderer1 | er... not quite what I mean |
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| 23:24.48 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: you're better off using ferm or similar |
| 23:24.59 | thewanderer1 | ferm? |
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| 23:25.04 | pzn | I have 3 Hard disks. 250Gb 750Gb and 1000Gb. which is the correct raid mode for an usable space of 1000Gb and data mirroring? |
| 23:25.14 | thewanderer1 | there used to be some libiptc |
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| 23:25.26 | Sia- | jordanm, is option in vbox shared files, but how can i finde from M$ inside Vbox? |
| 23:25.46 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it still exists, but modifying the firewire rules that way is a bad idea |
| 23:26.05 | thewanderer1 | huh, so should I really use iptables? |
| 23:26.19 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: no, you should use an intermediary which calls iptables itself, like ferm |
| 23:26.27 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:27.02 | thewanderer1 | I just found routercli and was wondering if something like this is viable now |
| 23:28.06 | thewanderer1 | so that stuff like this "host(config)# access-list 22 permit 192.168.9.0 0.0.0.3" gets translated to firewall rules directly in system, but finally it seems like it's a job for a scripted translator into iptables commands |
| 23:28.39 | mmu_screen | moldovean: ok sent |
| 23:29.10 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it's possible to do still, but you're better off using the existing tools for that instead of writing a new one or using specialized ones like that |
| 23:29.48 | moldovean | mmu_screen, thanks you |
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| 23:30.04 | thewanderer1 | okay, then I'm off to re-invent the wheel, thanks |
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| 23:30.20 | tehrabbitt-1 | is this compatible with debian? http://cgi.ebay.com/Sierra-595-Sprint-PCMCIA-AirCard-Modem-EVDO-Rev-/400121358315?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d291767eb |
| 23:30.21 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:30.28 | tehrabbitt-1 | Sierra 595 card |
| 23:30.33 | nsadmin | thewanderer1 think of it as... what you showed us is one of many possible statements of what you might want, while iptables is the way to implement it... the joining piece is something that parses the former and produces iptables rules |
| 23:30.44 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: emulate IOS behaviour on Linux :P |
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| 23:30.56 | thewanderer1 | (no, do not point me to Quagga, please...) |
| 23:32.15 | tehrabbitt-1 | the other question I have... how can I add a user to the "users" group? (if they aren't already) |
| 23:32.17 | nsadmin | one early iptables guide is called "Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable Guides" |
| 23:32.19 | dondelelcaro | ios is cisco specific, and you're going to have all sorts of horrible hacks and translations to transfer it into the underlying networking stack |
| 23:32.32 | dondelelcaro | but anyway, best of luck with that |
| 23:32.42 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I guess... thanks |
| 23:32.58 | thewanderer1 | btw. routercli seems to accomplish a part of this |
| 23:33.18 | mmu_screen | my first BTS entry :) |
| 23:33.21 | tehrabbitt-1 | nvm figured out the users group question |
| 23:33.34 | tehrabbitt-1 | but does anyone here know if that wireless card will actually work with debian? |
| 23:33.39 | tehrabbitt-1 | (Squeeze) |
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| 23:35.03 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: sure, if you're doing fairly basic things; you'll have loads of fun when you try to do anything complicated |
| 23:35.37 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt-1: the question is whether the kernel can recognize it as a serial device; if that's the case, then it should work. If not, no. |
| 23:36.32 | tehrabbitt-1 | oh |
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| 23:41.12 | mmu_screen | oh, I forgot to make os-prober force loading befs |
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| 23:42.56 | jhutchins_lt | tehrabbitt-1: Lots. |
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| 23:46.17 | jhutchins_lt | tehrabbitt-1: I'm running a Atheros AR5212/AR5213 and it works great. |
| 23:48.21 | grzybowski | I would like to maintain a new package. I have read all docs about debian policy and new maintainer docs and created the package. Looks like I need a sponsor to upload it right? How can i find someone to sponsor me? Couldn't find anything about it on docs. |
| 23:48.53 | nkuttler | !tell grzybowski about mentors |
| 23:49.15 | jhutchins_lt | !tell grzybowski about debian-mentors |
| 23:49.41 | jhutchins_lt | !tell grzybowski about mentor |
| 23:49.45 | grzybowski | nkuttler, jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 23:50.15 | casius | !tell casius about mentors |
| 23:50.27 | exaboy | WTF? |
| 23:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | casius: also /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 23:51.08 | exaboy | whats with teh convicted child molestor warning? |
| 23:51.11 | Tramp | !ops xeit |
| 23:51.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tramp complains about: xeit |
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| 23:52.34 | exaboy | Tramp? whats taht all about? |
| 23:53.02 | prince_jammys | a warning for convicted children who have access to IRC, i guess. |
| 23:53.34 | Tramp | exaboy: ignore it. It's apparently a form of spam/troll behaviour |
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| 23:53.46 | exaboy | scary sh*t |
| 23:53.50 | Tramp | tx |
| 23:53.56 | themill | Tramp, exaboy: thanks. |
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| 23:54.26 | KB1JWQ | shakes head |
| 23:54.34 | exaboy | ok thats just creepy. |
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| 23:54.51 | themill | exaboy: it's spam, just ignore it. |
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| 23:55.26 | dockimble | does anyone have any experience with debian for powerpc? |
| 23:55.57 | exaboy | ok |
| 23:56.03 | exaboy | still fkn creepy :P |
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| 23:56.08 | KB1JWQ | exaboy: Agreed. |
| 23:56.17 | KB1JWQ | It's summer, the kids are out of school. |
| 23:56.32 | icebrain | dockimble: the people at #debianppc are |
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