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| 00:00.35 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: You might need to join oftc.net |
| 00:02.41 | moldovean | jhutchins_lt, the channel is on freenode too |
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| 00:06.46 | nsadmin | two different channels, right? |
| 00:07.06 | moldovean | yes |
| 00:07.53 | nsadmin | , maint grub2 |
| 00:07.57 | judd | Package grub2 version 1.98+20100722-1 was uploaded by Colin Watson, last changed by Colin Watson and maintained by GRUB Maintainers. |
| 00:08.36 | nsadmin | is he here? |
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| 00:09.06 | moldovean | nsadmin, try #grub |
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| 00:09.16 | nsadmin | is he there? |
| 00:09.24 | moldovean | usually |
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| 00:11.18 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Pestering maintainers directly is not generally considered polite. |
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| 00:12.09 | moldovean | jhutchins_lt, yes but #grub is 'open' for users |
| 00:12.28 | moldovean | anyone can ask there |
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| 00:12.58 | nsadmin | someone else who wants to put words (and in this case behaviors) in my mouth |
| 00:13.02 | BiGViC | Debian is awesome :-) |
| 00:14.08 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: (1) I don't appreciate you superimposing your idea of my intent on me, and (2) he can take care of himself |
| 00:14.53 | nsadmin | whether I'm polite or not toward anyone besides yourself is none of your business |
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| 00:18.03 | Sia- | i can't find the virtualbox user/groups in debian testing!!? |
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| 00:18.49 | nsadmin | Sia-, where did you look? did you install virtualbox? see any of its docs? |
| 00:18.58 | Sia- | yes |
| 00:20.19 | datacrusher | after iv installed compiz via synaptic, dos i have to reboot to activate its effects? |
| 00:20.47 | nsadmin | probably restart X |
| 00:21.45 | nsadmin | maybe before that you have to arrange to have it started (either by configuring your dm to use it as a wm or by editing .xsession or the like) |
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| 00:22.21 | qwd | datacrusher: ctrl alt backspace to restart x, then try "compiz --replace" in terminal to see if it works. |
| 00:22.33 | datacrusher | ill do that |
| 00:22.45 | datacrusher | well, my xchat will crash, be back soon |
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| 00:23.12 | qwd | should have used irssi in screen ;) |
| 00:23.24 | moldovean | Sia-, seems all is automated for all users (no more needs virtualbox user/groups i) |
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| 00:23.48 | Sia- | moldovean, but i need it to enable to usb support |
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| 00:24.56 | nsadmin | so usb support is really what you are after? or, why do you need usb support? |
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| 00:25.44 | moldovean | Sia-, debian vbox has no usb support |
| 00:25.56 | datacrusher | well, compiz --replace get me the effects, but iv lost the top menus of windows. restarted x again got no compiz activated, how do i automate this? |
| 00:26.05 | datacrusher | !compiz |
| 00:26.06 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:26.38 | Sia- | moldovean, that is bad |
| 00:26.58 | moldovean | Sia-, no , that's sun decisions |
| 00:27.06 | qwd | datacrusher: Now, if everything seems to work you need to do the echo-part here http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz. Restart X again, if you're missing window borders add "compiz --replace" to startup applications. |
| 00:27.13 | moldovean | well oracle |
| 00:27.33 | datacrusher | thanks! ill do that |
| 00:27.41 | nsadmin | Sia-, why do you need usb as part of a virtual server? |
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| 00:28.16 | qwd | datacrusher: then do alt+f2 and type ccsm to setup compiz. good luck |
| 00:28.18 | Sia- | nsadmin, i use m$ for some test in school and need it for some desktop apps |
| 00:28.21 | nsadmin | there must be something specific you want to do |
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| 00:28.48 | datacrusher | qwd, do i need to add the nvidia lines to my xorg.conf? |
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| 00:29.58 | qwd | datacrusher: I don't have a clue :) try without and see how it goes first. I didn't add the Intel part. (I installed compiz a few hours ago) |
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| 00:30.38 | nsadmin | Sia, on what and whose machine? |
| 00:30.59 | Sia- | nsadmin, inside my debian desktop |
| 00:31.01 | nsadmin | if it's your machine, we have some options |
| 00:31.31 | nsadmin | for example, if you're required to do this test in ms windows, you could boot it standalone |
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| 00:31.54 | Sia- | hmm, good idea |
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| 00:33.08 | nsadmin | (small word of warning... if this is an exam for your school to determine a grade and the test proctors find out you're virtualizing that, they could interpret it in a way detrimental to (1) your test score and possibly also (2) the degree to which you are still welcome in the school) |
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| 00:34.44 | nsadmin | I know, that would be dumb on their part... but it could happen and you'd be better off avoiding the possibility entirely |
| 00:34.54 | exaboy | whats the best way to set the timezone and time? |
| 00:36.10 | nsadmin | I dunno if there's still tzconfig... if your machine has constant internet access that;s faster than a speeding modem, you could use ntp |
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| 00:36.32 | exaboy | !ntp |
| 00:36.33 | dpkg | [ntp] Network Time Protocol, a protocol for synchronizing clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <openntpd>, <pool.ntp>, <squeeze ntp>. |
| 00:36.34 | jhonny5 | Hi |
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| 00:39.04 | datacrusher | qwd, worked like a charm :D |
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| 00:40.51 | qwd | datacrusher: great! |
| 00:41.31 | datacrusher | qwd, what do you tell me about process usage, does compiz have huge comsumption of resources? |
| 00:41.52 | coolguy4 | Hi, I installed lenny using debootstrap and I've gotten pretty far along and I'm able to boot from it and load the wm and everything. But when I login as a user (rather than remain as root) and try to load an X program I get the message MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key Invalid |
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| 00:43.14 | qwd | datacrusher: depends on what settings you use. just try different stuff and see for yourself. |
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| 00:45.41 | magyar | hi, just reinstalled debian squeeze on my system with KDE and can't get the sound to work |
| 00:45.42 | qwd | I removed gnome-panel from my gnome session in gconf and then i added it back and started it with alt+f2, I can now use another theme but the panels are gone (top panel was hidden before and bottom was deleted). Any idea on how to get the top panel back? |
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| 00:46.59 | nsadmin | magyar, the alsa project homepage wiki has a alsa-info script you can run that pastebins system information that would be useful to yourself and to anyone who would help you |
| 00:47.26 | magyar | nsadmin: thank you, will try |
| 00:47.29 | babilen | !tell magyar -about alsa checklist |
| 00:47.46 | babilen | magyar: Also follow the checklist dpkg just send you |
| 00:49.03 | exaboy | date -s 073010472010 |
| 00:49.07 | exaboy | whats wrong with that? |
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| 00:51.10 | rvalles | nothing, besides the fact you can just use ntp to set your clock |
| 00:52.02 | Tramp | it's an invalid date, as date tells you, when you try it |
| 00:52.10 | exaboy | its saying invalid date... but its not |
| 00:52.46 | Tramp | I wouldn't argue with date .... |
| 00:52.54 | exaboy | 07-30 10:47 2010 |
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| 00:53.12 | magyar | babilen: all seems to be intact |
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| 00:55.23 | Tramp | exaboy: info date, Section "Date input formats" to check what date considers a valid date |
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| 01:01.47 | moldovean | exaboy, date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] (e.g) date 0730110010.00 for [ 07-30 11:00 2010] |
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| 01:01.52 | pukey | hahahaha. |
| 01:02.35 | pukey | http://swoolley.org/ |
| 01:02.40 | babilen | magyar: I'll leave soon, but could you paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" and "lspci -knn" to http://paste.debian.net? (into the same paste please) |
| 01:02.44 | pukey | ^That guy is the new messiah. |
| 01:03.01 | babilen | pukey: thanks, but I doubt that I'm the new messiah |
| 01:03.20 | pukey | seth woolley is going to make freenode famous. |
| 01:03.25 | babilen | pukey: And I don't quite see how this is related to Debian as well |
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| 01:03.35 | pukey | Ban me you little cunt. |
| 01:03.41 | exaboy | date -s "2010-07-30 11:02:00" |
| 01:03.41 | exaboy | date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
| 01:03.51 | exaboy | i really dont understand this crap! |
| 01:04.04 | pukey | seth woolley is going to make linux famous. |
| 01:04.11 | pukey | His room is ##politics |
| 01:04.14 | moldovean | exaboy, do it as root |
| 01:04.15 | magyar | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/81776/ |
| 01:04.19 | exaboy | i am root |
| 01:04.28 | nsadmin | why are we talking about politics? |
| 01:04.29 | pukey | I am giong to have more scientologists here and you are going to be shut down in five minutes! |
| 01:04.31 | pukey | Fuck you!!! |
| 01:04.41 | gnarface | lol |
| 01:04.46 | moldovean | !ops pukey |
| 01:04.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: moldovean complains about: pukey |
| 01:05.22 | exaboy | date is stupid |
| 01:05.25 | babilen | ,pciid 1102:0004 |
| 01:05.27 | judd | [1102:0004] is 'SB Audigy' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0004 http://wiki.debian.org/snd-emu10k1 and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module. |
| 01:05.28 | pukey | It's kiknd of funny that swoolley thinks he can fuck with me!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:05.41 | babilen | pukey: Stop it please |
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| 01:05.59 | nsadmin | pukey: if you really like politics, read Daniel Golman's "Social Intelligence" and especially for you, "emotional intelligence" |
| 01:06.14 | pukey | nsadmin, if you really like politics FUCK SETH WOOLLEY. |
| 01:06.23 | babilen | pukey: Stop it! |
| 01:06.53 | exaboy | whoami |
| 01:06.53 | exaboy | root |
| 01:07.10 | exaboy | im sorry but this doenst make sense |
| 01:07.17 | pukey | It makes perfect sense. |
| 01:07.23 | pukey | Swoolley is the bigest asshole int eh world. |
| 01:07.29 | pukey | He is the tom cruise of freenode. |
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| 01:08.08 | pukey | His name is seth woolley and his fat fuckikng ass went to williamette university |
| 01:08.18 | pukey | He trhinks he can program computer. |
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| 01:08.30 | exaboy | pukey. you are so cool. we love you man |
| 01:08.31 | pukey | Bitch. |
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| 01:09.13 | pukey | Do you know who founded freenode? |
| 01:09.17 | pukey | ##politics? |
| 01:09.24 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.28 | nsadmin | Rob Levin |
| 01:09.31 | nsadmin | so, yes. |
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| 01:09.37 | jpinx-eeepc | pukey: this is debian - do you have a debisn question? |
| 01:09.50 | pukey | Nope. |
| 01:09.53 | pukey | Don't give a fuck about linux. |
| 01:09.57 | babilen | magyar: Hmm, that does not look bad actually. |
| 01:10.01 | pukey | You people are too stupid to get a job for 2 hours and buy windows. |
| 01:10.02 | pukey | Fucking idiots. |
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| 01:10.57 | exaboy | this must be because im on a VPS. |
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| 01:12.07 | babilen | magyar: Could you run "modprobe -r snd-emu10k1-synth snd-emu10k1 ; modprobe snd-emu10k1" and paste output of "dmesg|tail -n 10" |
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| 01:13.23 | babilen | magyar: And you have followed the alsa checklist -- can you actually unmute some channels? Is the speaker-test working? |
| 01:13.39 | babilen | member of audio (yadda etc etc) ? |
| 01:13.57 | pukey | Unless |
| 01:13.58 | pukey | Fuck. |
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| 01:14.50 | pukey | It is going to be fun ruining seth woolley's life with my friend brunn. |
| 01:14.57 | exaboy | could the fact that my debian is on a VPS that i cannot change the date? that doesnt make sence but im clutching at straws :( |
| 01:15.27 | nsadmin | could be, the time variables are tied to hardware, so that woudl make sense |
| 01:16.01 | exaboy | taking to my support now, im sure they could set it for me |
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| 01:16.52 | moldovean | exaboy, yes , but why , your date seems ok ? |
| 01:17.13 | simonrvn | !ops pukey trolling |
| 01:17.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: pukey trolling |
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| 01:17.17 | vect | pukey is low skilled, he isn't ruining anyone |
| 01:17.19 | exaboy | no its not setting the date, im getting an "operation not permitted" |
| 01:17.22 | pukey | seth woolley is runnign for the green party in washington. |
| 01:17.25 | pukey | He is a child molester. |
| 01:17.33 | exaboy | pukey STFU MAN! |
| 01:17.41 | magyar | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/81777/ |
| 01:17.44 | pukey | his website is swoolley.com |
| 01:18.01 | magyar | babilen: did all the tests with group, test sounds etc |
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| 01:18.05 | babilen | exaboy: /ignore *!*@c-24-2-109-118.hsd1.ut.comcast.net all |
| 01:18.13 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 01:18.20 | babilen | yay dondelelcaro :) |
| 01:18.36 | exaboy | wonderful... |
| 01:18.41 | magyar | took a while |
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| 01:19.41 | babilen | magyar: Well, that might take a little longer and i'll get offline now -- hope somebody else can/will help you :-\ |
| 01:19.45 | babilen | good night all! |
| 01:19.54 | exaboy | night mate |
| 01:20.02 | magyar | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/81778/ |
| 01:20.04 | babilen | (CET here) |
| 01:20.06 | magyar | good night |
| 01:20.12 | magyar | and tanks |
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| 01:20.29 | dondelelcaro | babilen, magyar: in the future, please don't interact with trolls; just call for ops, and ignore them. |
| 01:21.01 | magyar | noted, thanks |
| 01:21.16 | exaboy | OOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! |
| 01:21.18 | exaboy | lol |
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| 01:21.34 | exaboy | kinda reminded me of "medic!" in Team fortrace |
| 01:21.45 | exaboy | fortress |
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| 01:22.02 | courpse | Humm, i aint played TF2 in long time, afk. :D |
| 01:22.12 | exaboy | its so much fun :) |
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| 01:23.07 | Seahorse | heres a tip with trolls: don't give them any attention/ just ignore them completely and pretend they are not there and they will go away |
| 01:23.18 | Seahorse | for that pukey guy |
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| 01:23.36 | exaboy | how do i set the /etc/localtime ? |
| 01:23.39 | tharkun | Good evening, I have this hdd that is formatted with a lvm and a single /boot partition. There are some files i need to extract from the /home/backup partition that is in the LVM. The hdd is allready in an USB casing. What do i do next? |
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| 01:23.50 | tharkun | exaboy: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 01:24.05 | exaboy | On Virtuozzo/OpenVZ there is one kernel, one realtime clock. Each VPS can have their own /etc/localtime setting which will apply the appropriate offset from GMT, but the system clock itself cannot be changed from within the VEs. |
| 01:24.14 | exaboy | that is the official response from my host :) |
| 01:24.53 | gnarface | you onlyl rent the guest node from them? they run the host node? |
| 01:25.07 | exaboy | yes its a VPS |
| 01:25.21 | gnarface | you should still be able to use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to set your time zone to whatever you want |
| 01:25.24 | exaboy | Virtual Private Server ;) |
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| 01:25.28 | exaboy | ok will look at that |
| 01:25.44 | gnarface | presumably the time isn't actually wrong, it's just in the wrong timezone |
| 01:25.48 | gnarface | otherwise your host really sucks |
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| 01:26.05 | exaboy | Current default timezone: 'Australia/Sydney' |
| 01:26.05 | exaboy | Local time is now: Fri Jul 30 00:24:51 EST 2010. |
| 01:26.05 | exaboy | Universal Time is now: Thu Jul 29 14:24:51 UTC 2010. |
| 01:26.25 | exaboy | lol that is incorrect. its fkn 11:26am i there right now. |
| 01:26.38 | tharkun | Fri Jul 30 01:28:32 UTC 2010 |
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| 01:27.57 | exaboy | looks all messed up to me |
| 01:28.21 | tharkun | How do i boot into an usb hdd, it has a fully functioning debian install? |
| 01:29.18 | gnarface | exaboy: looks like you gotta call your providor and tell them they suck for not running ntpd on the host system |
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| 01:29.56 | gnarface | tharkun: the same as you boot to a fully functioning debian install on any other type of harddrive; with the permission of your motherboard bios. |
| 01:31.23 | tharkun | gnarface: ok, i'll see what happens. BBL |
| 01:31.28 | gnarface | exaboy: hey maybe they messed up and set their host system into local time instead of UTC... that would throw it off. what do you get when you configure tzdata and set it to UTC instead? |
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| 01:31.57 | audioservers | any sound server alternatives that work out of the box besides pulse-server (yiff-server didn't work)? |
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| 01:32.37 | gnarface | audioservers: nas mabye? |
| 01:32.41 | nickaugust | hey when i do 'aptitude search dwm' dwm-tools comes up with an A beside it.. and then it doesnt find it with just 'aptitude install dwm-tools'. whats the A mean and how do I install this package? |
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| 01:33.18 | audioservers | gnarface: does nas work alright for playing sound in debian? |
| 01:33.48 | gnarface | audioservers: i've never tried it but i've also never heard anyone say anything bad about it. i've heard all kinds of shit-talk about pulse audio though. |
| 01:33.52 | nsadmin | probably the determining factor is the driver and the kernel |
| 01:34.11 | audioservers | gnarface: yeah, i could add to it, but it would be offtopic |
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| 01:35.07 | gnarface | summary of 99% of all fixes for problems with alsa: 1) turn your volume up 2) uninstall pulse audio |
| 01:35.38 | audioservers | gnarface: i am using debian lxde with nas, any sound managers you recommend? |
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| 01:36.23 | gnarface | audioservers: sorry i'm.. bad. i live in a very small apartment so i just run more audio cable. i've never really played with network audio servers |
| 01:36.43 | audioservers | gnarface: the audio is still not playing, don't know why with nas, ok, i just need something to play sound on a laptop |
| 01:36.46 | exaboy | gnarface what country is UTC? |
| 01:36.56 | gnarface | exaboy: geneva? |
| 01:37.12 | exaboy | Current default timezone: 'Etc/UTC' |
| 01:37.13 | exaboy | Local time is now: Thu Jul 29 14:36:11 UTC 2010. |
| 01:37.13 | exaboy | Universal Time is now: Thu Jul 29 14:36:11 UTC 2010. |
| 01:37.22 | gnarface | still wrong? |
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| 01:37.43 | exaboy | no looks ok now. when i run date |
| 01:37.45 | gnarface | audioservers: you can't get sound locally either? |
| 01:38.10 | audioservers | gnarface: no, i haven't used debian in a while, but i installed the min, and thought i could install the local sound server with apt-get, but wish to use an alternative to pulseaudio server |
| 01:38.11 | tharkun | gnarface: LVM was not found :-( couldn't boot into the hdd |
| 01:38.31 | exaboy | no its wrong it should be jul 30 its 2:38am here in UK |
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| 01:38.55 | gnarface | exaboy: sorry, UTC is Greenwich, England |
| 01:39.03 | pzn | I need help to choose which raid layout is better. can someone help? http://pastebin.com/ZcSbysPW |
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| 01:39.43 | gnarface | tharkun: you need a motherboard that supports booting from USB first, or else you need to learn how to make magic boot disks |
| 01:39.43 | exaboy | yeah thats fine, its still wrong cause its 2:39 GMT |
| 01:39.56 | exaboy | stupid fkn computers! |
| 01:40.13 | gnarface | exaboy: only thing to do now is bitch at your hosting providor now |
| 01:40.14 | eztop | yeah, fkn computers!!! |
| 01:40.30 | frostschutz | pzn: I'd go for Option 3 simply because I don't like raid on top of raid |
| 01:40.32 | eztop | which is the easiest debian? |
| 01:40.50 | tharkun | gnarface: the motherboard freezes half way through the booting process. The drive is an ide drive which has a different rationale to sata drives |
| 01:40.56 | exaboy | LOL the one that is not installed eztop |
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| 01:41.24 | eztop | I think I'm giving up on debian... unless there is a preconfigured one out there |
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| 01:41.41 | gnarface | audioservers: well step 1, make sure your soundcard driver is loaded (lsmod |grep snd) then make sure your volumes are up and unmuted (alsamixer) |
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| 01:41.47 | audioservers | eztop: why not get the 700 mb CD image on the website? |
| 01:42.15 | eztop | i already have it installed... but, i have too many issues ... two main apps don't work |
| 01:42.37 | eztop | but, i don't like ubuntu... i guess i am screwed... i don't know what's left |
| 01:43.05 | tharkun | eztop: one app at a time |
| 01:43.05 | gnarface | eztop: if you want to use linux without learning about it and you don't like Ubuntu then you're pretty much stuck buying a Macintosh |
| 01:43.08 | frostschutz | pzn: in fact I even make multiple partitions on same sized disks and then put lvm on top |
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| 01:43.35 | audioservers | gnarface: snd driver looks loaded from that command; installing alsamixergui now |
| 01:43.37 | eztop | i am trying to learn but some apps in linux operate in such ridiculous ways |
| 01:43.44 | eztop | not sure if they're bugs but |
| 01:44.10 | eztop | i am using pidgin right now... but everytime i start it up , i need to make a new account |
| 01:44.27 | eztop | I don't like ubuntu because I don't like their policies |
| 01:44.41 | gnarface | audioservers: make sure the volumes are up AND unmuted. most sound drivers default to all volumes off until you set them the first time |
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| 01:44.55 | pzn | frostschutz, I got your point of view. will LVM on top of raid be better in performance than option 2? |
| 01:44.55 | gnarface | eztop: WTF? i have never had that problem with pidgin. try updating pidgin |
| 01:44.58 | eztop | pidgin -> new account always needed... i cannot enter irc channels... and the choices are greyed out |
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| 01:45.29 | eztop | gnarface: to what? |
| 01:45.38 | eztop | why do I have to type out the entire name? |
| 01:45.41 | eztop | :-/ |
| 01:45.43 | frostschutz | pzn: you're using lvm in all your options... i think raid on raid performance is bad |
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| 01:45.51 | gnarface | eztop: apt-get update && apt-get install pidgin |
| 01:45.56 | anAngel | Hello. Could you suggest me a nice feature full network monitoring tool for a linux gateway. Would be nice if it could be used for network analyse (traffic/usage/problems). Or anything to detect LAN spammers |
| 01:46.07 | gnarface | eztop: type out WHAT entire name? the program name "pidgin?" |
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| 01:46.23 | eztop | Don't make me pull my hair okay? |
| 01:46.24 | audioservers | gnarface: no sound, i turned up volume with alsamixergui, installing nas again and giving it a try |
| 01:46.27 | jhutchins | eztop: Sounds like you may have run something in X as root. |
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| 01:46.33 | eztop | Pidgin 2.7.1 looks pretty up to date to me |
| 01:47.06 | jhutchins | eztop: Pidgin is ok for p2p messaging like MSN, for IRC there are better apps. |
| 01:47.33 | jhutchins | eztop: Anywy, what you describe is what happens if you have the wrong permissions/ownership on your home directory. |
| 01:47.33 | pzn | frostschutz, any option about using raid10 in this layout? (no previous experience with raid10) |
| 01:47.36 | eztop | can someone tell me the shortcut for using the username: |
| 01:47.57 | jhutchins | eztop: (Or on the config file anyway.) |
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| 01:48.21 | eztop | jhutchins: oh, maybe... |
| 01:48.22 | gnarface | audioservers: something might be tying up your soundcard. very few OEM soundcards these days do hardware mixing, and by default alsa is not configured to do software mixing out of the box. maybe your window manager is tying it up. did you try exiting to the console and playing audio from there? also make sure you uninstall pulseaudio and esd because they're notorious for blocking too |
| 01:48.34 | audioservers | anAngel: wireshark |
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| 01:48.38 | jhutchins | eztop: Not all IRC clients do name completion, but it's usually <tab>. |
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| 01:48.43 | eztop | jhutchins: I tried to install Xchat to no avail |
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| 01:49.01 | jhutchins | audioservers: Not really a good choice. |
| 01:49.08 | eztop | yeah, <tab> ... I guess so many with similar nicks |
| 01:49.17 | audioservers | gnarface: never had pulseaudio installed, i'll try restarting X then |
| 01:49.18 | jhutchins | anAngel: You probably want to look at mrtg, but that's all I can tell you about it. |
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| 01:49.37 | jhutchins | eztop: If aptitude install <package> doesn't work you're doing something wrong. |
| 01:49.37 | audioservers | jhutchins: what do you recommend? |
| 01:49.43 | jhutchins | eztop: Did you follow an install guide? |
| 01:49.44 | gnarface | audioservers: no just EXIT x. your window manager itself may be tying up your soundcard if you have sound effects enabled |
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| 01:49.56 | frostschutz | pzn: you'd need four disks... |
| 01:50.04 | gnarface | audioservers: we're debugging by process of elimination here |
| 01:50.06 | eztop | jhutchins: install guide for what? |
| 01:50.09 | pzn | frostschutz, option 1 seems reasonable, because when my new 1TB Hd arrives, I'll stop md0 and there will be no raid-over-raid. |
| 01:50.11 | seeker7 | what package is media player |
| 01:50.16 | jhutchins | audioservers: wireshark isn't for ongoing monitoring, it's for real time traffic analysis. mrtg is meant for monitoring. |
| 01:50.19 | eztop | I can't find any good install guides for the apps I want to use at the moment |
| 01:50.27 | jhutchins | eztop: debian. |
| 01:50.44 | jhutchins | eztop: Again, if you need more than aptitude install <package> you're making things harder than they need to be. |
| 01:50.57 | eztop | jhutchins: debian is installed but two apps I want to use, I cannot use since they don't work for me |
| 01:51.08 | tharkun | eztop: names please |
| 01:51.17 | eztop | pidgin is installed... i'm using it now for irc |
| 01:51.29 | eztop | but, like I said I have to create new accounts each time |
| 01:51.38 | eztop | and Google Earth, I cannot install at all |
| 01:51.48 | eztop | I wanted to try it out on my laptop |
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| 01:52.06 | eztop | i think i installed the video drivers properly ....is there any app to test? |
| 01:52.13 | frostschutz | pzn: it's still raid0 though, so if either the 250 or 750 disk dies, you have no more raid at all |
| 01:52.16 | seeker7 | any takers on the media player question |
| 01:52.18 | tharkun | Well google earth on linux sucks |
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| 01:52.34 | eztop | tharkun: tell me about it |
| 01:52.40 | anAngel | jhutchins: okey thanks i will check it out |
| 01:52.50 | eztop | I use windows on it usually... I have to , no choice |
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| 01:53.18 | eztop | why is there a zillion ways to install google earth in linux and one in windows? |
| 01:53.24 | tharkun | eztop: it will not install properly to many broken dependencies and too much work for an app that is more bluff |
| 01:53.48 | anAngel | audioservers: ok thanks alot but aint that a bit too complicated |
| 01:53.52 | eztop | tharkun: I have installed it before with trouble... a different problem each time |
| 01:54.02 | jhutchins | tharkun: Actually, I've had excellent luck with google earth. |
| 01:54.02 | nsadmin | eztop: windows people are lazy? I dunno, your guess is as good as mine |
| 01:54.10 | magyar | hi, having issues with audigy2 soundcard in squeeze amd64. The driver loads but no sound |
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| 01:54.21 | jhutchins | eztop: I explained what your problem with pidgin is, what was the other program you had trouble with? |
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| 01:54.27 | magyar | anyone else using audigy? |
| 01:54.29 | eztop | then when I google the messages or output I get, there's no recent or up to date posts |
| 01:54.38 | jhutchins | eztop: The reason I mentioned an install guide is that there is something wrong with your installation. |
| 01:54.44 | eztop | I have an audigy2 in my desktop |
| 01:54.54 | jhutchins | eztop: Millions of people use pidgin, and they're not sacrificing pigeons to do it. |
| 01:55.15 | magyar | eztop: did you manage to get it working? |
| 01:55.18 | eztop | jhutchins: I thought maybe because I installed squeeze |
| 01:55.26 | tharkun | jhutchins: Well, then it is just bad luck, I can't even do a proper google search. It allways spits craps. |
| 01:55.26 | jhutchins | eztop: Oh good grief. |
| 01:55.31 | nsadmin | anAngel: sometimes when you want to accomplish something you go thru complexity... someone paraphrased inestine "as simple as possible... but no simpler!" |
| 01:55.34 | tharkun | thinks google does not like him |
| 01:55.47 | tharkun | jhutchins: how proficient are you with LVM2? |
| 01:55.48 | jhutchins | eztop: Yes, of COURS it's because you installed squeeze, go back, READ THE INSTALL GUIDE, install lenny and it just works. |
| 01:55.49 | eztop | magyar: it should work... I have Lenny installed on my desktop, though... the sound chip is a common one for Linux... |
| 01:55.57 | jhutchins | eztop: That's not the only thing you did wrong, but it's a start. |
| 01:56.08 | jhutchins | tharkun: lvm is evil. This is all I need to know about it. |
| 01:56.20 | tharkun | jhutchins: yes, i found it the hard way |
| 01:56.26 | nsadmin | lvm is about as evil as money |
| 01:56.38 | jordanm | likes lvm... |
| 01:56.44 | tharkun | nsadmin: can you give me hand to recover some files? |
| 01:56.50 | magyar | eztop: i have it working on the same system if I boot up with my old install of squeeze i386, if I boot in to the new install of amd64, no spund |
| 01:56.52 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: what's the problem? |
| 01:57.13 | debion | After the last upgrade, Squeeze failed to boot to gui mode. The system enters command mode login after displaying "Running script in rc2d/ took 20 seconds". Any Squeeze user here experiencing this? |
| 01:57.21 | dondelelcaro | if you've got missing files or data corruption, restore from a backup |
| 01:57.22 | nsadmin | tharkun, all I can offer is "restore from the backup you wisely made" |
| 01:57.25 | eztop | jhutchins: you're saying it won't install properly because i am running squeeze? |
| 01:57.26 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: lvm volume of a dead pc on an hdd installed on an usb casing |
| 01:57.39 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: have you backed up this volume? |
| 01:57.41 | tharkun | meaning i need to extract 2 20 gig files |
| 01:57.45 | jhutchins | eztop: I' |
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| 01:57.59 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: only copy, the hdd is in perfect shape |
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| 01:58.11 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: make a copy of it for starters |
| 01:58.13 | eztop | magyar: sounds like something related to 64-bit drivers... did you install pulseaudio? |
| 01:58.14 | jhutchins | eztop: I'm saying that you shouldn't be running a testing version if you don't already know how debian works and how to fix problems. |
| 01:58.14 | frostschutz | tharkun: so what's the problem? |
| 01:58.30 | anAngel | nsadmin: yeap i know but i wanted to start with something simpler and if doesn't meet the needs to go for the heavy artillery. thanks again guys - im gone reading and testing |
| 01:58.32 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: ok, how do i make the copy, i will not show up |
| 01:58.37 | jhutchins | eztop: You need to go back to lenny, which Just Works, and that will solve the problems you're having with Pidgin anyway. |
| 01:58.51 | tharkun | s/i/it/ |
| 01:59.01 | jhutchins | eztop: Installing apps in Debian stable is as simple as aptitude install <application>. |
| 01:59.02 | eztop | jhutchins: pidgin in lenny is old... and I won't be able to run the yahoo protocol |
| 01:59.12 | magyar | eztop: nope, what is paulseaudio? |
| 01:59.13 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: the physical device should be there once you've plugged it in |
| 01:59.14 | jhutchins | eztop: Yes you will, there's a backport. |
| 01:59.24 | nsadmin | anAngel: as with anything in life, there come opportunities for change, you can take them or not |
| 01:59.27 | jhutchins | eztop: It's not old, it's well tested and stable. |
| 01:59.27 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: dd if=/dev/foo of=/path/to/file; or similar |
| 01:59.40 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: then run lvscan with appropriate options to find the lvm devices on that filesystem |
| 01:59.42 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: ok looking into it |
| 01:59.51 | eztop | jhutchins: backport? sounds like another mess to deal with |
| 01:59.52 | jhutchins | eztop: If you don't know how to fix it, you do NOT need to run the release that is intended for finding bugs! |
| 02:00.12 | jhutchins | eztop: You really just need to go back to Windows. |
| 02:00.23 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: uh... that's unecessary |
| 02:00.38 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: if you don't want to help someone, that's fine, but there's no need to berate them. /ignore if you must |
| 02:00.40 | eztop | jhutchins: you sound like a typical debian user |
| 02:00.49 | dondelelcaro | eztop: that's not particularly helpful either |
| 02:01.02 | frostschutz | tharkun: if the disk is in perfect shape and if it was an lvm volume all by itself then vgscan, vgchange -a y should be all you need after plugging it in |
| 02:01.13 | eztop | well, he/she is... every time I read of ppl using debian, they're snobby |
| 02:01.31 | tharkun | frostschutz: it only had a /boot partition and the lvm |
| 02:01.54 | debion | After the last upgrade, Squeeze failed to boot to gui mode. The system enters command mode login after displaying "Running script in rc2d/ took 20 seconds". Any Squeeze user here experiencing this? |
| 02:01.55 | dondelelcaro | err, right; vgscan not lvscan |
| 02:02.26 | jhutchins_lt | eztop: Every time you try to say it's Debian's fault that you messed something up you annoy people who know that it works fine for hundreds of people. |
| 02:02.45 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: can you stop, please? |
| 02:02.55 | eztop | so, there's not tons of hits if you google google earth and debian? |
| 02:02.57 | jhutchins_lt | eztop: Every time you get told what to look at, you continue to complain. |
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| 02:03.08 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:03.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 02:03.18 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:03.19 | eztop | and they are ppl saying they're having trouble with it |
| 02:03.52 | tharkun | frostschutz: the drive is an ide and since it is connected using usb is recognized at this moment with the standar sdb stuff is this an impairment? |
| 02:04.05 | dondelelcaro | eztop: if you want our assistance, attacking Debian isn't a good way to start. If you still have a problem, please restate it. |
| 02:04.09 | frostschutz | tharkun: no |
| 02:04.22 | tharkun | ok, i'll do as told |
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| 02:04.41 | eztop | you're probably right though... i should go back to windows but i hate windows... i guess i should look for a distro that is a bit less tailored for computer programmers |
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| 02:05.04 | eztop | dondelelcaro: i stated the problem and got insulted |
| 02:05.26 | eztop | it didn't bother me... i expect it |
| 02:05.29 | tharkun | eztop: patience and a little methology should get you out of any tight spot |
| 02:05.35 | nsadmin | no one can insult you without your permission and openness |
| 02:05.43 | tharkun | s/methology/method |
| 02:06.17 | debion | eztop should keep debian, jhutchins_lt should be kicked out of here. its people like him that is causing debian to lose to ubuntu. |
| 02:06.24 | eztop | nsadmin: it's okay... i probably deserve it... but, ppl who have no or little trouble in debian or linux don't tolerate ppl who do well |
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| 02:07.02 | nsadmin | if you tell your mind you deserve insult, you drive your own perceived value down |
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| 02:07.11 | eztop | jhutchins shouldn't be kicked out |
| 02:07.14 | nsadmin | don't tell your mind that |
| 02:07.50 | nickaugust | is there an enviroment variable for default image viewer in the terminal? im trying to change the program that mutt uses by default |
| 02:07.50 | eztop | i'm just no good at debian... i'll probably give up... it's annoying when i can't run an app i want to use |
| 02:08.00 | nsadmin | tell your mind it's none of your business what others think |
| 02:08.00 | dondelelcaro | eztop: if you want our assistance, ask a question. Otherwise, please stop. |
| 02:08.09 | soundservers | thats fixed my sound, thanks all |
| 02:08.20 | gnarface | eztop: the problem you're having with pidgin you're going to have in any linux distro. you need to run it as your own user. stop starting X as root. stop running X programs as root |
| 02:08.28 | debion | he already did. he got an insult instead of any answer. |
| 02:08.30 | dondelelcaro | nickaugust: it obeys mailcap |
| 02:08.31 | eztop | dondelelcaro: okay, is there a way to install google earth in debian? any links that is reliable? |
| 02:08.41 | nickaugust | dondelelcaro: thx i'll check that out |
| 02:08.45 | eztop | i'm confused after trying |
| 02:09.00 | dondelelcaro | eztop: http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html |
| 02:09.00 | gnarface | eztop: i downloaded their linux installer and it just worked for me |
| 02:09.12 | dondelelcaro | eztop: we don't support programs that aren't distributed in Debian here, though |
| 02:09.20 | eztop | i followed some steps... i installed the package in the repo and downloaded the .bin from GE homepage |
| 02:09.22 | soundservers | gnarface: thanks, that fixed my sound issues |
| 02:09.41 | debion | eztop, there is a debian package for googleearth. i am using it in squeeze.l |
| 02:09.43 | eztop | oh |
| 02:09.47 | jelly-home | ,versions googleearth-package |
| 02:09.48 | judd | googleearth-package -- etch/contrib: 0.0.4; lenny/contrib: 0.5.4; sid/contrib: 0.5.7; squeeze/contrib: 0.5.7 |
| 02:09.49 | eztop | debion: how? |
| 02:09.59 | debion | atp-get install. |
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| 02:10.13 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: so contrib isn't part of Debian? |
| 02:10.14 | debion | apt-get install |
| 02:10.17 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: ah, cool; I didn't realize we had a contrib package for it |
| 02:10.20 | nsadmin | aptitude install googleearth-package |
| 02:10.27 | gnarface | soundservers: no problem |
| 02:10.27 | eztop | it didn't work for me |
| 02:10.28 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's not, but we do support contrib things here. ;-) |
| 02:10.32 | eztop | I had to use --force |
| 02:10.34 | debion | or aptitude install |
| 02:10.37 | nsadmin | why? |
| 02:10.43 | eztop | and then it was unable to find tons of lib files |
| 02:10.52 | dondelelcaro | eztop: you shouldn't be using --force, or anything. |
| 02:10.59 | nsadmin | so you're mixing dists then |
| 02:11.01 | dondelelcaro | eztop: if it's failing to install, provide the complete output, so we can help you |
| 02:11.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell eztop -about bat |
| 02:11.12 | nsadmin | that's going to screw you every time |
| 02:11.25 | eztop | mixing dists? |
| 02:11.28 | debion | what version of debian r u using? |
| 02:11.37 | eztop | i couldn't run it as root or user... what am i supposed to do? |
| 02:11.41 | gnarface | eztop: my guess is you've got cdrom paths in your apt sources list instead of real repos. you installed via full cd or dvd huh? not via netboot? |
| 02:11.56 | eztop | yes cd |
| 02:12.01 | gnarface | ok |
| 02:12.06 | gnarface | that's why you can't install shit |
| 02:12.18 | eztop | but, i have the right entry too |
| 02:12.22 | debion | eztop, why not online? |
| 02:12.36 | gnarface | eztop: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 02:12.43 | eztop | ok, hold on |
| 02:12.49 | nsadmin | then you have packages from some other dist or some other version of debian |
| 02:13.04 | eztop | nsadmin: Oh |
| 02:13.10 | nsadmin | having to force anything is a sign you may be mixing packages from different dists |
| 02:13.40 | nsadmin | that's where you are now... care to move ahead? |
| 02:13.58 | eztop | yes |
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| 02:14.10 | tharkun | frostschutz: ok, i got past the point where 6 logical volume(s) in volume group "mithrandir" now active. I suppose i have to mount them now, mount /dev/sg0 are not working as expected |
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| 02:14.39 | frostschutz | tharkun: why /dev/sg0? check out /dev/mapper/* |
| 02:14.41 | nsadmin | ok, then what packages are you installing that are not strictly from debian? |
| 02:15.05 | craigevil | eztop: you do not run make-googleearth-package as root, you only need to be root to install the .deb that it creates |
| 02:16.24 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: msg? |
| 02:16.37 | magyar | pretty F-ed up default config for alsa in squeeze |
| 02:16.54 | magyar | to get sound working |
| 02:17.16 | magyar | i had to mute "Audigy Analog/Digital Output" to get sound |
| 02:17.16 | pzn | I set one of the raid drives as --fail but the array didn't get failed! any hint? http://pastebin.com/5iq6tsS0 |
| 02:17.16 | eztop | can anyone tell me if i need to edit my sources.lst? |
| 02:17.18 | magyar | hmm |
| 02:17.21 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: sure |
| 02:17.34 | tharkun | frostschutz: thx didn't know of its existance |
| 02:17.37 | jhutchins_lt | magyar: We're dealing with a new crop of sound cards that aren't backwards compatible, combined with changes in how the sound system works, there are rough spots. |
| 02:17.51 | frostschutz | tharkun: that much is obvious :P |
| 02:18.12 | eztop | craigevil: what do I do then if it will not run |
| 02:18.47 | tharkun | frostschutz: i o u a hughe beer |
| 02:18.56 | eztop | bash: make-googlearth-package: command not found |
| 02:18.58 | magyar | jhutchins_lt: I'd say, same soundcard for five years, but in squeeze the plot thickens |
| 02:19.05 | craigevil | eztop: if you are on a 32bit install it should just work, always has for me, 64bit you need tge 32bit libs installed first |
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| 02:19.21 | eztop | 32 bit install here |
| 02:19.27 | eztop | this is on an old laptop |
| 02:19.35 | craigevil | eztop: you need the googleearth-package package installed |
| 02:19.46 | eztop | the only time i ever got it to work was on 64-bit install ironically |
| 02:20.01 | gnarface | magyar: i've heard of this. those audigy cards can only output over digital (optical or spdif, depending on the oem) or analog (usually 6 1/8th inch stereo jacks, or something like that) so you have to mute the digital line unless you're using it, because if you use digital it assume you're not using anything else |
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| 02:20.12 | craigevil | extor: you need to have contrib in your sources.list |
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| 02:21.06 | eztop | can someone comment? http://pastebin.com/7SyGdB8x |
| 02:21.07 | extor | craigevil, contrib? |
| 02:21.32 | gnarface | eztop: yes you need to edit it |
| 02:21.46 | magyar | gnarface: aren't these jacks have some sort of sensing in them? |
| 02:21.47 | eztop | craigevil: where is it installed? maybe i am trying to run it in the wrong path? |
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| 02:21.52 | jelly-home | !contrib |
| 02:21.52 | dpkg | from memory, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 02:22.13 | eztop | gnarface: to?? |
| 02:22.26 | gnarface | magyar: lol. not unless you're using a very new mac laptop, as far as i know |
| 02:22.36 | gnarface | eztop: comment out everything you have in there |
| 02:22.40 | gnarface | then add these two lines: |
| 02:22.50 | gnarface | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 02:22.59 | gnarface | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 02:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: (Um, he has those as http, is that a problem?) |
| 02:23.28 | craigevil | gnarface: other than the fact that he is using debian.org without a country code it will still work |
| 02:23.29 | gnarface | eztop: then run apt-get update, then you should be able to run apt-get install googlearth-package (or whatever it was) |
| 02:23.33 | seeker7 | where would I go for an apache server question |
| 02:23.37 | magyar | gnarface: i recall seeing some built in audio cards pop up in Windows with a message that a jack has been plugged in is detected |
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| 02:23.54 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: He's going to need backports for pidgin too. |
| 02:24.20 | gnarface | magyar: well if it's working you'd see the change in alsamixer represented by volume changes or muting/unmuting of cards. do you see such changes when you hotplug cables? |
| 02:24.21 | craigevil | jhutchins_lt: he is using squeeze or at least the repos in his sources.list is squeeze |
| 02:24.23 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Er, n'mind, he's on squeeze. |
| 02:24.37 | magyar | gnarface: but in anycase, I think the default should be analog outputs to be on, let the digital be setup if needed |
| 02:24.39 | eztop | i had us country code before |
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| 02:24.54 | gnarface | magyar: i agree. |
| 02:25.31 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: most the repos will work with http or ftp |
| 02:25.40 | gnarface | ftp is typically faster so i always use that first |
| 02:25.42 | eztop | so those entries aren't bad? just should use .us then? |
| 02:25.50 | craigevil | extor: aptitude install googleearth-package, then as user not root run make-googleearth-package, i always download the google earth package from google first and i run make-googleearth-package in the same directory |
| 02:26.32 | extor | scratches his shiny cranium |
| 02:26.33 | gnarface | eztop: you need to uncomment the deb-src lines. also I don't think security updates exist for testing, so you only need the middle pair, not the last pair |
| 02:26.35 | eztop | craigevil: that's what i tried to do... maybe i was in the wrong directory... there must be some explanation |
| 02:26.44 | magyar | now whats with KDE Network-manager and ifenslave, it I enable managed mode, the whole routing table is done as dinner |
| 02:26.46 | eztop | lol @ extor |
| 02:27.15 | eztop | gnarface: oh, ok |
| 02:27.15 | magyar | for bond network cards that is |
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| 02:27.21 | craigevil | extor: sorry tab complete :) |
| 02:28.22 | tharkun | frostschutz, dondelelcaro: thanks a lot. File transfer is in progress to a sata hdd using lvm. |
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| 02:30.11 | gnarface | eztop: don't forget that after you make changes to your /etc/apt/sources.list file you have to run apt-get update (or aptitude update depending on your preference) to make the changes take effect |
| 02:30.15 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: He'll probably want dmm, but get the rest sorted first. Strictly speaking, you don't need src entries for normal use. |
| 02:31.09 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Also, good idea to indoctrinate new users to aptitude vs. apt-get. |
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| 02:31.37 | eztop | which is preferred? can you switch from one to the other? (apt-get v.s. aptitude) |
| 02:31.43 | eztop | dmm? |
| 02:31.52 | gnarface | uh... |
| 02:31.55 | gnarface | ,dmm |
| 02:31.57 | gnarface | how's that work? |
| 02:32.03 | gnarface | !dpkg tell eztop about dmm |
| 02:32.04 | gnarface | ? |
| 02:32.21 | gnarface | eztop: did you just get a message from dpkg? |
| 02:32.36 | eztop | no? |
| 02:32.45 | gnarface | !dpkg dmm |
| 02:32.45 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 02:32.45 | tharkun | gnarface: /msg dpkg !moo :) |
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| 02:33.03 | craigevil | anyone know if this #590867 - libdpkg-perl: Should break dpkg actually breaks dpkg, looked at the bug report its not very clear |
| 02:33.09 | eztop | oh ok... i see ... i recognize dmm now |
| 02:33.17 | gnarface | you might want those extra repos |
| 02:33.21 | gnarface | but start with the basics |
| 02:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: ! == dpkg |
| 02:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: , == judd |
| 02:33.34 | gnarface | aah, thanks jhutchins_lt |
| 02:34.16 | gnarface | eztop: apt-get and aptitude are more or less interchangeable. aptitude is newer and purportedly "smarter" but i still use apt-get because i'm used to it. you'll have to make your own decision about that one |
| 02:34.43 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: who is responsable for judd? |
| 02:35.01 | eztop | i'm more used to apt-get, too |
| 02:35.14 | eztop | only thing is , i probably use synaptic more than i should |
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| 02:35.51 | tharkun | eztop: fwiw synaptic has a lot to mature yet. |
| 02:36.01 | eztop | i ran apt-get update .... so far so good, i guess ;) |
| 02:36.29 | craigevil | eztop: i use Synaptic all the time, its safe to use |
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| 02:36.35 | eztop | tharkun: yeah? i guess synaptic not so safe in testing or sid? |
| 02:37.00 | eztop | craigevil: ok |
| 02:37.36 | tharkun | eztop: programing gui is very difficult, lots of tiny details that can go awry. cli has a tendenci of having more stable apps because of this |
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| 02:38.16 | eztop | tharkun: ah... that makes sense.. |
| 02:38.48 | eztop | ok, dumb q now... where should i download the google earth package? i did already... just wondering if there's a way to do it |
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| 02:39.29 | eztop | i have a ... 'fractured?' install ... i have google earth components installed already |
| 02:39.50 | eztop | should i just try to start the procedure over? |
| 02:40.42 | eztop | googlelinux.bin installed in my home/user dir. can I run the install there? |
| 02:41.23 | gnarface | eztop: yes |
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| 02:43.09 | gnarface | eztop: it basically just unzips itself into a directory of your choosing. you can point it at a subdirectory of your home directory and just run the binary in it |
| 02:43.28 | eztop | help |
| 02:43.37 | gnarface | ? |
| 02:43.46 | eztop | i have to pastebin the result? |
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| 02:44.08 | gnarface | eztop: first try: sh googlelinux.bin |
| 02:44.27 | gnarface | didn't that work? |
| 02:44.39 | eztop | http://pastebin.com/D45BGhPa |
| 02:44.43 | eztop | no, it didn't work |
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| 02:44.52 | gnarface | oh ffs |
| 02:44.56 | gnarface | don't run it as root! |
| 02:45.08 | gnarface | run it as the user that owns that home directory. this is your problem with pidgin too |
| 02:45.10 | nsadmin | didn't we say that before? |
| 02:45.18 | craigevil | yep |
| 02:45.18 | eztop | oops, sorry |
| 02:45.22 | nsadmin | or was that to someone else or about something else |
| 02:45.28 | eztop | <-- my bad |
| 02:46.00 | eztop | pls check pastebin |
| 02:46.36 | eztop | http://pastebin.com/irPzMy51 |
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| 02:46.52 | nsadmin | eztop, for now, until you've gained A LOT of shell experience, running as root is advanced, and should only be done in very short bursts |
| 02:47.21 | eztop | nsadmin: i used to insist... I never forget to switch back ;) |
| 02:47.22 | gnarface | unrecognized google earth version? i've never see that one before |
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| 02:47.47 | eztop | gnarface: I had this before |
| 02:47.55 | eztop | sorry, I suck at typing on this keyboard |
| 02:48.08 | nsadmin | you know more than me what your experience is, so you take responsibility |
| 02:48.15 | eztop | this is why I was running as root before |
| 02:48.22 | gnarface | don't do that |
| 02:48.51 | nsadmin | so you may have made dirs in your home dir that are owned by root |
| 02:48.51 | eztop | or maybe I should say, why I used '--force' |
| 02:49.00 | gnarface | just screws things up. just about the only thing you should use root for is editing /etc config files manually or using apt-get/aptitude |
| 02:49.03 | tharkun | eztop: think of the root account as the doomsday account. If you really want to fubar your computer you really need it |
| 02:49.19 | eztop | okay |
| 02:49.27 | eztop | I understand |
| 02:49.28 | gnarface | what does it do when you use --force? |
| 02:49.39 | gnarface | (NOT as root) |
| 02:49.44 | nsadmin | moves boulders |
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| 02:49.48 | eztop | but, why doesn't it want to use the Google 5.2 ver.? |
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| 02:50.10 | nsadmin | and spills google all over them |
| 02:50.17 | gnarface | good question. you said you'd already installed google earth components through apt-get before? |
| 02:50.26 | eztop | gnarface: anyone else want me to try '--force?' |
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| 02:50.37 | eztop | yes |
| 02:50.38 | r3c4ll | what is th better IDE, Geany or Anjuta? |
| 02:50.56 | gnarface | eztop: what does it say when you type: whereis googleearth |
| 02:51.20 | eztop | output is: googleearth: |
| 02:51.32 | nsadmin | might want to updatedb |
| 02:51.48 | eztop | as user? |
| 02:51.50 | gnarface | eztop: try: ls /usr/bin/googleearth |
| 02:51.53 | gnarface | (first) |
| 02:52.21 | eztop | ls: cannot access /usr/bin/googleearth: No such file or directory |
| 02:52.28 | gnarface | ok |
| 02:52.40 | gnarface | try this, just for the hell of it then: apt-cache search ^google |
| 02:52.43 | eztop | $ updatedb |
| 02:52.43 | eztop | updatedb: can not open a temporary file for `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db' |
| 02:52.55 | tharkun | gnarface: itym find / -name google |
| 02:53.19 | gnarface | eztop: updatedb does have to be run as root |
| 02:53.34 | eztop | oh... oops... |
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| 02:54.18 | eztop | updatedb... done |
| 02:54.31 | eztop | find / -name google? |
| 02:54.36 | gnarface | sure |
| 02:54.54 | eztop | what is 'itym?' |
| 02:55.09 | craigevil | whereis googleearth |
| 02:55.09 | craigevil | googleearth: /usr/bin/googleearth /usr/lib/googleearth /usr/local/bin/googleearth |
| 02:55.16 | nsadmin | I would do find / -iname "*google*" |
| 02:55.35 | craigevil | thats what you should have if it is installed correctly |
| 02:56.05 | nsadmin | why do you have /usr/bin/googleearth and /usr/local/bin/googleearth |
| 02:56.06 | eztop | http://pastebin.com/ziy84XQ4 |
| 02:56.42 | eztop | obviously, not installed correctly... :-( |
| 02:57.09 | gnarface | eztop: *sigh* as root. you'll get the hang of what needs root permission or not. generally when a bunch of stuff in /var /proc /usr etc says permission denied, then you tried something you need root access for. it's important NOT to always just use root though. you'll get the hang of it |
| 02:57.23 | eztop | oh ok |
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| 02:58.35 | eztop | find / -name google |
| 02:58.35 | eztop | /opt/google |
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| 02:58.42 | seeker7 | how do i find out my ip address on this box so that i can run an index.html from another computer |
| 02:58.47 | eztop | anyone want to see output of the other one? |
| 02:58.54 | gnarface | eztop: sure |
| 02:59.00 | gnarface | seeker7: ifconfig -a |
| 02:59.06 | nsadmin | you mean this: |
| 02:59.10 | eztop | find / -iname "*google*" -> has longer output |
| 02:59.21 | seeker7 | gnarface: thanks |
| 02:59.50 | nsadmin | that one will show partial matches |
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| 02:59.57 | craigevil | nsadmin: no clue thats what it installed using make-googleearth-package then doing dpkg -i |
| 03:00.00 | nsadmin | like look for google, find spoogiegooglespillage |
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| 03:01.11 | eztop | cropped for mostly google earth entries http://pastebin.com/b7rJDqzg |
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| 03:02.15 | gnarface | eztop: run this command: /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package (in your home directory, as your own user, not root) |
| 03:02.19 | nsadmin | so you have make-googleearth-package |
| 03:03.16 | eztop | $ /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package |
| 03:03.16 | eztop | Google Earth for GNU/Linux 5.2.1.1329 |
| 03:03.16 | eztop | Unrecognized Google Earth version (use --force to build anyway) |
| 03:03.22 | eztop | oops sorry |
| 03:03.38 | eztop | i'll use pastebin next time |
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| 03:03.45 | gnarface | alright weird, but go ahead and use --force |
| 03:04.19 | eztop | craigevil and nsadmin, do you think I should use --force, too? |
| 03:04.34 | eztop | i must have really screwed something up? :-/ |
| 03:04.39 | craigevil | eztop: using --force isnt going to hurt anything |
| 03:04.45 | nsadmin | I'd be curious what versions it recognizes, and what version it got that's not recognized |
| 03:04.54 | gnarface | eztop: google might have screwed something up. |
| 03:05.06 | eztop | what does --force do? |
| 03:05.13 | gnarface | we don't know |
| 03:05.19 | gnarface | probably just ignores the version check |
| 03:05.20 | craigevil | googleearth: Installed: 5.2.1.1329+0.5.7-1 Candidate: 5.2.1.1329+0.5.7-1 |
| 03:06.09 | craigevil | eztop: force isnt going to break anything go for it, i didn't have to use --force |
| 03:06.10 | eztop | oh, it does same thing as before |
| 03:06.13 | gnarface | why it's checking - dunno i'd blame google. why the version doesn't match - dunno i'd blame the package maintainer and google both on that one |
| 03:06.32 | eztop | this will be a long pastebin... be warned |
| 03:06.42 | gnarface | eztop: maybe it uh... makes the package |
| 03:07.16 | craigevil | eztop: make-googleearth-package doesnt install it, all it does it create a .deb |
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| 03:07.35 | craigevil | you then need to install the .deb using dpkg -i |
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| 03:07.49 | nsadmin | the .deb is probably located in .. |
| 03:07.50 | eztop | how do i cancel the terminal from continuing |
| 03:07.58 | gnarface | just let it finish |
| 03:08.06 | eztop | it won't finish |
| 03:08.14 | gnarface | ctrl-c |
| 03:08.28 | eztop | here's one example: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: Can't extract name and version from library name `libIGExportCommon.so' |
| 03:08.37 | craigevil | the .deb should be in whatever directory you ran make-googleearth-package |
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| 03:08.48 | craigevil | eztop: those errors are fine ignore them |
| 03:08.59 | eztop | they are? |
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| 03:09.29 | eztop | then i should run the command again? |
| 03:09.36 | gnarface | yes |
| 03:09.38 | eztop | i thought it would just go forever with those warnings |
| 03:09.41 | gnarface | no |
| 03:09.44 | gnarface | it will finish |
| 03:09.56 | gnarface | or it will crap out |
| 03:10.32 | eztop | gnarface: okay, i ran it again... |
| 03:10.38 | gnarface | be patient |
| 03:11.10 | eztop | 'can't extract name from version and library name....' it looked like it couldn't get whatever it needed |
| 03:11.19 | gnarface | the warnings are just warnings that usually mean that the software you're building has sloppy ass code. it's not an issue until they become errors and it fails to complete |
| 03:11.30 | gnarface | it said it couldn't find the version, not that it couldn't find the library |
| 03:11.56 | gnarface | if it's still going, that's a good sign that the warnings are not a big deal |
| 03:11.57 | eztop | yeah... name and version |
| 03:12.15 | eztop | oh |
| 03:12.25 | gnarface | if it errors out and stops before it makes the .deb file, then that means you're missing libraries |
| 03:12.39 | eztop | i got confused because i googled one of those output entries and it didn't look good ;) |
| 03:12.57 | gnarface | just be patient, you can't know for sure until you let it finish |
| 03:12.58 | eztop | gnarface: ok, i see |
| 03:13.14 | eztop | is that normal? |
| 03:13.21 | gnarface | sloppy ass code? |
| 03:13.23 | gnarface | from google, yes |
| 03:13.27 | eztop | no, that output |
| 03:13.41 | gnarface | probably |
| 03:13.45 | eztop | it didn't sound like craigevil had the same experience ;) |
| 03:14.02 | eztop | no one told me ...be ready for lots of warnings msgs ;) |
| 03:14.28 | gnarface | he probably did this back when the versions of his libraries were more closely matched to whatever this ancient google toy was expecting. that doesn't mean it WON'T work. they're just warnings, not errors (yet) |
| 03:14.49 | gnarface | if it turns into real errors it will STOP |
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| 03:15.45 | eztop | looks good? |
| 03:16.18 | eztop | http://pastebin.com/6mXv52Kn |
| 03:16.19 | gnarface | you're asking us? we can't see what you're seeing |
| 03:16.30 | gnarface | ah yes |
| 03:16.33 | gnarface | well it says success |
| 03:16.35 | gnarface | that's a good sign |
| 03:16.36 | eztop | i thought that last part looked most important |
| 03:16.51 | gnarface | it is |
| 03:16.58 | gnarface | it's telling you how to install the package you just made |
| 03:17.06 | gnarface | sudo is a command that runs another command as root |
| 03:17.25 | gnarface | if you have sudo installed you can do it that way, or you can just run dpkg -i [google earth package].deb as root |
| 03:17.27 | eztop | what's this mean?: http://pastebin.com/XFKhJsRE |
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| 03:17.52 | gnarface | it's listing the names of debian packages that it depends on |
| 03:18.00 | eztop | ok, i though tso |
| 03:18.04 | eztop | after reading it again |
| 03:18.29 | gnarface | well did it install, or are you missing those packages? |
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| 03:20.15 | eztop | http://pastebin.com/SiL1mq5z |
| 03:20.21 | eztop | that seemed short |
| 03:20.25 | tharkun | How do i format a disk with ntfs partitions? |
| 03:20.38 | gnarface | eztop: looks like it worked |
| 03:20.59 | eztop | will it run right now? |
| 03:21.05 | gnarface | probably |
| 03:21.26 | gnarface | (don't run it as root) |
| 03:21.48 | eztop | i exited root |
| 03:21.56 | eztop | it's asking me to run in DirectX mode |
| 03:22.02 | eztop | i just don't want to crash anything |
| 03:22.02 | gnarface | tharkun: any way you want. |
| 03:22.10 | gnarface | eztop: always a risk. |
| 03:23.05 | eztop | it's a bit slow...but, that's normal? |
| 03:23.17 | eztop | is it my machine or anything to do with drivers? |
| 03:23.25 | eztop | btw, thanks to you all! |
| 03:23.33 | craigevil | eztop: its faster if you have agraphics card with good 3d support |
| 03:23.48 | gnarface | eztop: and drivers for said graphics card correctly installed |
| 03:23.55 | eztop | i wouldn't see nothing if my drivers weren't installed properly, right? |
| 03:24.13 | gnarface | eztop: no sometimes it would fire up and be SUPER slow falling back on software rendering |
| 03:24.24 | eztop | craigevil: my video card is mobile rv250 or mobility 9000 -> ati |
| 03:24.33 | gnarface | eztop: processor? |
| 03:24.43 | eztop | thinkpad centrino m 1.6 |
| 03:24.46 | gnarface | eztop: ram? |
| 03:24.50 | eztop | 2gb |
| 03:24.55 | gnarface | now let's define slow |
| 03:25.03 | eztop | um? |
| 03:25.08 | gnarface | how many frames per second |
| 03:25.23 | eztop | where do i find that out? |
| 03:25.38 | gnarface | dunno |
| 03:25.59 | gnarface | is it greater or less than 1 frame per second? |
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| 03:26.35 | eztop | i'd say greater |
| 03:26.46 | gnarface | by a lot? |
| 03:26.54 | gnarface | say, 20 or 30 frames per second? |
| 03:27.02 | gnarface | or more like 5 |
| 03:27.03 | gnarface | ? |
| 03:27.11 | eztop | 5? |
| 03:27.14 | eztop | yeah, maybe |
| 03:27.40 | eztop | i can move horizontally... not zooming... but, there's a delay |
| 03:27.46 | tharkun | gnarface: what program sorry i didn't get it |
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| 03:28.03 | eztop | when it zoomed in, it was a bit slower than that |
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| 03:28.20 | gryllida | How do I know how much RAM a process is using? |
| 03:28.22 | gnarface | tharkun: there are many. do you want to edit/delete/resize/create partitions, or just reformat them as something other than ntfs? |
| 03:28.33 | gnarface | gryllida: top |
| 03:28.50 | eztop | i will guess it's this computer but then... hey ,that's another question... guys, is there a program i can use to test if my drivers are installed ? |
| 03:29.12 | eztop | i mean, not installed... but, outputing properly for google earth? |
| 03:29.13 | gryllida | gnarface: bash: /usr/bin/top: Permission denied |
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| 03:29.22 | gryllida | gnarface: I don't have root on this box |
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| 03:29.46 | gryllida | gnarface: any other ideas? |
| 03:29.48 | eztop | gnarface: did the others leave? |
| 03:30.17 | eztop | gnarface: how do I get as good as you guys? :) |
| 03:30.18 | gnarface | eztop: i don't know. people wander off without warning. soon i will too, when i get hungry. try running this command: glxinfo |grep direct |
| 03:30.29 | gnarface | eztop: read more |
| 03:30.42 | eztop | gnarface: I just wanted them to see I appreciated their help |
| 03:30.49 | gnarface | eztop: they'll be back |
| 03:30.58 | gnarface | gryllida: you shouldn't need root to run top.... |
| 03:31.13 | eztop | does top come pre-installed? |
| 03:31.19 | craigevil | eztop: glxinfo | grep direct if it shows direct rendering: Yes you are good to go if it shows anything else either you do not have the correct driver or the card is too old to support decent 3d |
| 03:31.47 | gnarface | eztop: i don't think so but he clearly has it |
| 03:31.50 | gryllida | gnarface, this is a shell account, I don't have access to some stuff, is there another command to find out the ram usage? |
| 03:31.56 | eztop | yeah |
| 03:32.04 | gryllida | which one? |
| 03:32.10 | eztop | that output is usually when you don't have permissions? |
| 03:32.17 | gryllida | I guess so |
| 03:32.25 | eztop | craigevil: ok, thanks for that info...i'm going to try that command |
| 03:32.28 | gnarface | gryllida: maybe ps |
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| 03:32.40 | craigevil | gryllida: try free, although top should run |
| 03:33.21 | eztop | i have to be root to run that? |
| 03:33.31 | gnarface | eztop: no |
| 03:33.58 | eztop | oh... glxinfo is not installed? |
| 03:34.12 | eztop | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 03:34.15 | gryllida | gnarface, ps runs but doesn't output ram usage |
| 03:34.37 | gnarface | gryllida: read the man page. there's flags to have it list all kinds of stuff |
| 03:35.09 | gnarface | gryllida: keep in mind that if you're using some sort of virtual server the figures may be wildly inaccurate anyway |
| 03:35.24 | eztop | top runs for me... i don't use it much, though... good program though |
| 03:36.00 | gryllida | craigevil, 'free' doesn't output the data about individual processes |
| 03:36.04 | gryllida | only as whole |
| 03:36.06 | gnarface | eztop: if glxinfo is not there you want to install the mesa-utils package |
| 03:36.12 | eztop | whereis glxinfo returns ..... glxinfo: |
| 03:36.31 | gnarface | if you don't have it there's a good chance you don't have 3d installed either |
| 03:36.35 | gryllida | eztop, this is a _very_ limited shell account, it 'top' just won't run, thanks for suggestion though |
| 03:37.10 | eztop | gryllida: ok, sorry... didn't mean to interfere... |
| 03:37.18 | gryllida | gnarface, aww, trying to read man page to 'ps' |
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| 03:37.44 | Arrowmaster | you probably want either ps -ef or ps aux |
| 03:37.44 | eztop | gnarface: yeah? how would I know? |
| 03:37.46 | gryllida | eztop, it's allright, now I know what 'top' should do :) |
| 03:38.04 | eztop | I thought to install my drivers, I just need the x-server radeon package and linux-firmware |
| 03:38.43 | karlpinc | gryllida: ps auxv ? |
| 03:39.50 | gryllida | ~$ ps uU gryllida # works , thanks a lot |
| 03:39.53 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: he's trying to list a specfic process' memory consumption |
| 03:39.59 | gryllida | it has %MEM column |
| 03:41.00 | eztop | I installed the mesa-utils package... thanks, gnarface :) |
| 03:41.01 | gnarface | eztop: you need to install them, then make sure that xorg.conf is calling the driver, then make sure it's actually working (glxinfo |grep direct will tell you if it's actually working) |
| 03:41.27 | eztop | direct rendering: yes |
| 03:41.33 | gnarface | good! |
| 03:41.36 | gnarface | that's a good start |
| 03:41.39 | eztop | thanks |
| 03:41.43 | gnarface | maybe it's just a slow card :-/ |
| 03:41.45 | gnarface | or sucky drivers |
| 03:41.58 | eztop | how do i make sure xorg.conf is calling the drivers |
| 03:42.03 | eztop | probably both |
| 03:42.05 | gnarface | there's a tool called glxgears that you can use to get a basic fps benchmark, btw |
| 03:42.09 | eztop | it's a slow card... |
| 03:42.10 | gnarface | it's possible google earth is just slow |
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| 03:42.44 | eztop | i've heard of that |
| 03:42.47 | eztop | running it now |
| 03:42.53 | gnufun | Is there a Debian equivalent (other than backports.org) to the ppa system that Ubuntu uses at launchpad.net to get updated packages? |
| 03:43.06 | eztop | does it stop on its own? |
| 03:43.39 | gnarface | eztop: you'd have to know the driver name and then look in xorg.conf - a file whose man page you'd do well to read. the drivers often have their own xorg.conf supplimentary documentation in /usr/share/doc somewhere too. also you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors |
| 03:43.57 | gnarface | eztop: no glxgears goes forever until you stop it |
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| 03:44.30 | gnarface | eztop: it should be spitting out some framerates into the console you started it from... what type of numbers are you getting? |
| 03:44.32 | kimi_ | Good night |
| 03:44.34 | eztop | http://pastebin.com/sXhW3js3 |
| 03:44.46 | eztop | how do i stop it? ctrl-c? |
| 03:44.59 | eztop | oh, just 'x'? |
| 03:45.00 | kimi_ | does anybody have experience with setting up a Freeradius Server in Debian? |
| 03:45.31 | gnarface | eztop: it hardly matters how you stop it |
| 03:45.32 | eztop | what do those numbers look like? |
| 03:45.58 | kimi_ | or any other radius server |
| 03:46.12 | eztop | that's true :) |
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| 03:46.38 | gnarface | eztop: they look kinda weak, but they may be on par for your video card. i'm not familiar with it. what year was it made and how much ram does it have? |
| 03:47.45 | eztop | my laptop is a thinkpad t41... it's old ;) the machine has 2GB of RAM... i think the video card is 64 |
| 03:47.59 | eztop | 64mb of graphics ram sound right? |
| 03:48.16 | gnarface | hard to say. what year was it made? |
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| 03:49.48 | gnarface | eztop: i'm more of a nvidia hardware guy. you wanna try to see if anyone in here has experience with that line of ati cards in linux |
| 03:50.07 | eztop | quick search shows the card introduced in 2002 |
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| 03:50.32 | eztop | well, i don't have any choice when it's a laptop ;) |
| 03:50.37 | eztop | nvidia card in my desktop |
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| 03:51.12 | gnarface | eztop: http://pastebin.com/SFrDx2mk |
| 03:51.15 | eztop | it's ok... i'm glad to get google earth installed... i hope i can do it again if i ever need to ;) |
| 03:51.36 | eztop | what card is that?!? |
| 03:51.54 | gnarface | 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GTX+] (rev a2) |
| 03:52.03 | gnarface | :) |
| 03:52.05 | eztop | ah |
| 03:52.08 | eztop | showoff ;) |
| 03:52.21 | gnarface | now you just need to download yourself a copy of quake3 |
| 03:52.27 | eztop | i want to upgrade my card... funny u have that... i was thinking a gts 250 |
| 03:53.06 | eztop | hehe yeah right |
| 03:53.13 | gnarface | the commercial linux drivers work pretty well in linux these days |
| 03:53.38 | eztop | my desktop video card is also old ,7950GT |
| 03:53.48 | gnarface | the ati drivers are all over the board. some people get better luck with one of the 3 open source drivers, some people get better luck with one of the (2?) official ones |
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| 03:54.13 | gnarface | eztop: i'm wandering off for a few hours. good luck! |
| 03:54.16 | eztop | are most debian users gung ho about open source video drivers? |
| 03:54.24 | eztop | ok |
| 03:54.36 | eztop | gnarface: thanks again for your help |
| 03:54.39 | eztop | take care |
| 03:54.58 | gnarface | no problem. |
| 03:55.17 | gnarface | i think which drivers you prefer strongly depends more on your loyalty to a hardware vendor |
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| 03:55.56 | nevyn | eztop: umm I am. but I dunno that I'm most. |
| 03:55.56 | gnarface | or on whether you play games alot or not. there are plenty of non-ati, non-nvidia drivers that have quite excellent linux drivers |
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| 03:56.16 | gnarface | er, non-ati, non-nvidia *cards* i meant |
| 03:56.22 | nevyn | intel ftw |
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| 03:59.01 | StuckMojo | 2.6.32 seems to be the latest on backports for lenny. i want to use drbd, but the module doesn't build with 2.6.32. It's now part of mainline in 2.6.33 and up. Can anyone suggest where to get packages for .33 or newer kernels? |
| 03:59.32 | StuckMojo | or am i stuck with make-kpkg ? |
| 04:00.20 | eztop | I'm not loyal to any one vendor...i have no clue which ones are good ...stuff like that |
| 04:00.27 | eztop | my card was bought used... evga |
| 04:00.55 | eztop | i bought a 2nd card for someone...bfg..7950gt on ebay...but, it was fried |
| 04:01.08 | eztop | bfg went out of business .... |
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| 04:01.36 | eztop | i prefer nvidia but the binary installler method is a real pain unless it improved by now |
| 04:01.43 | eztop | i suspect most here are fine with it ;) |
| 04:02.13 | eztop | i would like to get a new ati card but i read of a lot of bugs or issues when using video |
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| 04:02.44 | eztop | i guess i refer to 2d |
| 04:02.56 | sh4g0 | help i can't connect to wireless on debian with KDE |
| 04:03.14 | eztop | sh4g0: what happens? |
| 04:03.31 | eztop | i have a bit of experience with wireless in linux but mostly from struggling ;) |
| 04:03.41 | StuckMojo | how is squeeze coming along? |
| 04:03.42 | eztop | what utility do you use? |
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| 04:04.02 | eztop | what wireless card or method? |
| 04:04.40 | chngdev | In Debian, how do i bind a process/program running in terminal to a specific network device, such as eth1 or eth0? |
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| 04:05.05 | sh4g0 | eztop, well my problem is this, i can see the networks but i can't connect! |
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| 04:05.31 | eztop | what happens when you try? |
| 04:05.38 | chngdev | sh4g0: try sudo iwconfig essid <name of network> |
| 04:05.42 | eztop | what are you trying to connect with? knetwork manager? |
| 04:05.50 | eztop | or also using ceni or wicd? |
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| 04:05.54 | chngdev | sh4g0: try sudo iwconfig <wlan0> essid <name of network> |
| 04:05.58 | sh4g0 | eztop, yes! |
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| 04:06.23 | eztop | yes, to what? |
| 04:06.43 | chngdev | In Debian, how do i bind a process/program running in terminal to a specific network device, such as eth1 or eth0? |
| 04:07.03 | sh4g0 | eztop, i use knetwork... |
| 04:07.39 | eztop | sh4g0: ok... so, what happens when you try to connect? are you using the gui? |
| 04:07.50 | eztop | that knemo? |
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| 04:08.40 | sh4g0 | well happends :p nothing :p just i wait and wait and dos happend nothing! |
| 04:09.01 | eztop | maybe you should try ceni or wicd? |
| 04:09.07 | sh4g0 | wath? |
| 04:09.20 | eztop | i had problems with my wireless but i'm on my laptop now...and the desktop is lxde |
| 04:09.36 | nsfx | embarrassing question, i'm installing debian on a tiny embedded device but i accidentally selected 'expert mode' and i meant to select the regular installer.. is there a way to restart the installer without rebooting? |
| 04:09.38 | eztop | ceni and wicd are wireless utilites |
| 04:09.53 | eztop | also make sure your wireless firmware is installed |
| 04:10.01 | eztop | you might need certain firmware |
| 04:10.01 | chngdev | nsfx: i would continue in expert mode and stay in this room (my suggestion) |
| 04:10.15 | sh4g0 | how i do tath? |
| 04:10.54 | eztop | sh4g0: do you use a wireless card in your desktop? or is it a laptop? |
| 04:10.58 | sh4g0 | eztop, ou, with gnome i can connect very good but with kde no!: |
| 04:11.05 | sh4g0 | laptop-! |
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| 04:11.42 | eztop | sh4g0: yeah? are you using the same version of debian? |
| 04:11.53 | sh4g0 | yes! |
| 04:12.04 | nsfx | chngdev: the device has some flash mem but it doesn't appear to be visible to disk partitioner |
| 04:12.11 | eztop | maybe a problem with knetworkmanager... i dunno |
| 04:12.18 | eztop | try wicd or ceni, i would |
| 04:12.28 | chngdev | In Debian, how do i bind a process/program running in terminal to a specific network device, such as eth1 or eth0? |
| 04:12.34 | chngdev | nsfx: its up to the kernel to detect that |
| 04:12.39 | sh4g0 | i don't know use wicd or ceni :D |
| 04:13.14 | nevyn | chngdev: I don |
| 04:13.20 | eztop | sh4g0: do you use synaptic? if so, you can search for them and see if they are available |
| 04:13.33 | chngdev | nevyn: please repeat, you were cut off |
| 04:13.59 | sh4g0 | oks |
| 04:14.16 | nevyn | chngdev: it's application configuration dependant |
| 04:14.42 | chngdev | nevyn: meaning its not possible? |
| 04:14.43 | nevyn | basically rather than have the app listen on 0.0.0.0 you have it listen on the address of the network interface you want to bind it to. |
| 04:14.44 | sh4g0 | ok is download.. wicd |
| 04:15.02 | chngdev | nevyn: i can't do that, i have dynamic ips |
| 04:15.06 | eztop | sh4g0: good.... give it a shot... can't hurt... |
| 04:15.08 | nevyn | chngdev: well it depends on the application ... mayby if you explained what you were actually trying to do. |
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| 04:15.40 | sh4g0 | but wath is wicd and ceni? |
| 04:15.44 | nevyn | rather than prhasing things in terms like "commandline application" |
| 04:15.49 | chngdev | nevyn: for example, i want to run firefox off of eth1 and not eth0, but chrome browser on eth0 instead of eth1, keeping in mind i have a dynamic ip |
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| 04:16.08 | chngdev | nevyn: and i choose to run both in command-line/terminal |
| 04:16.11 | courpse | lol. |
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| 04:16.15 | eztop | they're gui wireless utilities |
| 04:16.18 | sh4g0 | eztop, is already now wath? |
| 04:16.23 | nevyn | chngdev: so they're not commandline apps they're X11 apps |
| 04:16.29 | nevyn | and they're both web browsers |
| 04:16.46 | chngdev | nevyn: ok, another example then, w3m and elinks |
| 04:16.58 | eztop | sh4g0: I thought you might find them easier to deal with than just knetworkmanager ;) |
| 04:17.04 | nevyn | if you want to go through some hoops you can use iptables owner module and setup a firefox user and chrome table with different traffic management rules to do what you want |
| 04:17.21 | nevyn | chngdev: it's no different |
| 04:17.25 | sh4g0 | o |
| 04:17.26 | sh4g0 | ok |
| 04:18.04 | nevyn | if you were talking about web browsers you should have said web browsers. |
| 04:18.16 | chngdev | nevyn: i know i can do it with route and a script to detect the ip of a certain network device, but i didn't want to use iptables because of its complexity, i thought there would be an easy way to do this, no, not just web browsers, other programs (all) |
| 04:18.47 | chngdev | nevyn: say irssi on one device and ping on another (though ping has that option built-in program) |
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| 04:19.10 | nevyn | the problem is there is one system routing table. and you can't easilly have per application routes |
| 04:19.18 | krisfremen | what would be the easiest way to monitor what application is making GET requests on port 80? |
| 04:19.30 | chngdev | krisfremen: wireshark |
| 04:19.44 | chngdev | krisfremen: check the user-agents in the logs |
| 04:19.53 | krisfremen | i have something running, and every five minutes it keeps GETting the httpd |
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| 04:20.11 | krisfremen | i tried that, but i can't get the name of the application |
| 04:20.18 | chngdev | nevyn: if Debian cannot do it, is there another linux operating system that can? |
| 04:20.30 | krisfremen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.33 | krisfremen | that's the only thing i get |
| 04:20.36 | prince_jammys | netstat, maybe. |
| 04:21.05 | chngdev | krisfremen: yeah, netstat would be good as well |
| 04:21.32 | chngdev | nevyn: or is it kernel dependant, meaning no linux can do it? |
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| 04:23.32 | chngdev | should i check with #debian-server or #ubuntu-server? |
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| 05:08.59 | iceroot | gnufun: ppa is a personal repo with packages nnot from canocial, so its different to backports |
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| 05:11.30 | gnufun | iceroot: Thank you. I have been trying to understand the difference. At backports.org they explain it as a way to get updated packages. I thought that the ppa's did that |
| 05:12.15 | acx0 | any recommendations for a tiling window manager that easily integrates with gnome? (preferable one that doesn't require a lot of configuration) |
| 05:12.19 | iceroot | gnufun: backports is holding packages in newer versions, maintained from debian (or with ubuntu from canocial) |
| 05:12.52 | iceroot | gnufun: ppa can also contain newer versions but not from canocial, also a ppa can contain packages which are not in the normal repos |
| 05:13.43 | gnufun | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.05 | iceroot | gnufun: i dont know, using debian only as server-os |
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| 05:14.41 | lolx | hello |
| 05:14.45 | lolx | greets |
| 05:15.03 | iceroot | gnufun: but e.g. the repos from virtualbox or firefox are ppas, just dont have ppa in there names |
| 05:15.29 | lolx | I want to is that possible to install debian in laptop where already windows 7 is installed |
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| 05:16.43 | lolx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:16.50 | acx0 | lolx, it's possible, what is the current partition layout? |
| 05:17.07 | lolx | Layout? |
| 05:17.27 | lolx | I did two partition C and D my windows in C |
| 05:17.29 | acx0 | when windows is running, how many drives do you see? |
| 05:17.36 | acx0 | is D empty? |
| 05:17.43 | lolx | yeah |
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| 05:18.25 | acx0 | so what you could do is (assuming D is currently formatted as NTFS), run the debian installer, delete and format the D drive, and that's it |
| 05:18.40 | gnufun | iceroot: Ok thank you. I was curious how people get updated packages using Debian. Even a silly example like using pidgin to access this irc. I am tracking a ppa that gives me an up to date version even though I am using a distro based on Hardy. If I switch to Debian would I be able to get an updated one if it is not at bckports.org without compiling a new one? |
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| 05:19.34 | iceroot | gnufun: on debian its the same as in ubuntu, in a repo you will only get security-uppdates, no major-updates |
| 05:19.45 | iceroot | gnufun: in the official repos |
| 05:20.02 | Chris___ | I thought there was a hotkey, FN + 3, or something, I could use to switch to a non-GUI/CLI-only X session? |
| 05:20.21 | iceroot | Chris___: ctrl + alt + f1? |
| 05:20.25 | acx0 | Chris___, you mean tty? |
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| 05:21.00 | Chris___ | iceroot: yes, thank you |
| 05:21.12 | iceroot | Chris___: and ctrl + alt + f7 to switch back to x |
| 05:21.21 | lolx | Is that possible ton install debian in D partition (C is window 7 without delete it) with virtual driver ? |
| 05:21.29 | gnufun | iceroot: So a resource that I am describing does not exist for Debian? |
| 05:21.53 | acx0 | lolx, it's possible to install it, what do you mean by virtual driver? |
| 05:21.56 | iceroot | gnufun: i dont know, sorry but i guess there are ressources for that |
| 05:22.22 | iceroot | lolx: you need your drive d for other things? else format it and let debian install on it |
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| 05:23.07 | lolx | acx0 : http://www.daemon-tools.cc/eng/home |
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| 05:23.45 | iceroot | lolx: why needing daemon-tools for that? |
| 05:23.46 | lolx | iceroot : I need window 7 for my work and debian for my person learning |
| 05:23.54 | acx0 | lolx, I don't think so, you're going to have to boot into the debian installer, not just mount the image |
| 05:24.00 | iceroot | lolx: maybe try a virtual-machine first |
| 05:24.23 | lolx | iceroot : can you give me website of it? |
| 05:24.45 | iceroot | lolx: virtualbox.org |
| 05:25.08 | iceroot | lolx: download the windows-version |
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| 05:25.36 | lolx | ok |
| 05:25.48 | lolx | Can you give me the debian download url also? |
| 05:27.06 | iceroot | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 05:30.21 | lolx | iceroot thanks |
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| 05:35.57 | krisfremen | hmm... so for some reason my computer is pinging the router, which then pings back the computer |
| 05:36.23 | karlpinc | lolx: You're better off with a netinstall image, in terms of minimizing overall download. See debian.org. |
| 05:36.40 | karlpinc | krisfremen: How do you know? |
| 05:36.45 | krisfremen | wireshark |
| 05:37.02 | krisfremen | sourceport: 80 destination:4002 |
| 05:37.14 | krisfremen | than it does the reverse |
| 05:39.40 | karlpinc | krisfremen: That does not sound like a ping. It sounds like a http keepalive. |
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| 05:42.16 | krisfremen | why would it be doing that? it started right after the last update i did, which was three days ago |
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| 06:03.40 | \kaz | Okay... |
| 06:04.08 | \kaz | For some reason the oss /dev/dsp sound backend isn't working for teamspeak. |
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| 06:04.24 | \kaz | And it doesn't provide any additional (useful) backend choices.... |
| 06:04.26 | \kaz | Suggestions? |
| 06:04.31 | fishcooker | i want to login manager standalone rather than gdm |
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| 06:06.10 | chilli0 | Hello , I'm running debian in a cli enviroment and I was wondering how to see my external hard drive? I try'd looking in /media but no luck. |
| 06:06.20 | \kaz | goes back to other system... which has a better interface. |
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| 06:08.10 | sweetpi | chilli0: find out what device(i.e. /dev/sdc1) it is and mount it |
| 06:08.55 | chilli0 | How might I do so? |
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| 06:09.43 | Kazuha | Which I'm back at now.... |
| 06:09.53 | sweetpi | well, if you just plugged it in, maybe check dmesg. |
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| 06:10.12 | sweetpi | chilli0: dmesg | tail |
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| 06:11.54 | iman | who can work with synaptic ? |
| 06:12.49 | chilli0 | sweetpi, http://pastebin.com/yCt0du5A |
| 06:13.20 | chilli0 | sdf1? |
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| 06:13.45 | sweetpi | chilli0: yes |
| 06:14.03 | chilli0 | mount /dev/sdf1 ? |
| 06:14.22 | sweetpi | chilli0: mount /dev/sdf1 mountpoint |
| 06:14.36 | chilli0 | Does not exist =S |
| 06:14.54 | sweetpi | ... |
| 06:14.55 | chilli0 | Media:/dev# mount /dev/sdf mountpoint |
| 06:14.55 | chilli0 | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 06:14.55 | iman | when i open synaptic program and i want to work it, it say me i have to reload it, when i reload it all pf packages start to upgrade how can i cansle this process ? |
| 06:15.06 | chilli0 | But sdf1 gives me does not exist. |
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| 06:15.27 | sweetpi | chilli0: or does mountpoint say it doesnt exist? :) |
| 06:15.44 | chilli0 | hehe I'm a fool sorry. |
| 06:15.49 | sweetpi | chilli0: is it ntfs? |
| 06:15.57 | chilli0 | Yeah. But it's the whole mountpoint. |
| 06:16.32 | sweetpi | chilli0: so its mounted now? |
| 06:16.41 | chilli0 | Yeah thanks. |
| 06:16.51 | sweetpi | ok, np |
| 06:17.12 | chilli0 | One quick question , How can I see how much of the file system is used ( on the external ) |
| 06:17.56 | sweetpi | chilli0: df -h | grep /dev/sdf1 |
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| 06:18.29 | chilli0 | Thanks a ton , but strange, its really slow to mount and run that command. Is that normal or just the speed of the device. |
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| 06:19.14 | sweetpi | chilli0: the wd mybooks go to sleep after a while, when you mounted it, it had to "wake up" |
| 06:20.05 | chilli0 | Ah ok thanks. And to perm mount it ( so it will automagicly do it I just add it in the fstab? |
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| 06:21.32 | sweetpi | chilli0: yes, but since its external you should do it by uuid |
| 06:22.08 | chilli0 | Ill have a look into that when I get time thanks. |
| 06:22.32 | chilli0 | I'm thinking of not having it external ( taking it apart and plugging it in ) |
| 06:23.12 | sweetpi | chilli0: ive done that to one of those before.. all kinds of fun :) |
| 06:23.29 | chilli0 | Any issues you run into? |
| 06:24.02 | sweetpi | na, just trying not to break it while popping the case open |
| 06:25.00 | chilli0 | Ill try =P |
| 06:25.04 | chilli0 | Thanks , see ya. |
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| 06:27.20 | sweetpi | iman: Edit > Unmark All? I dont use synaptic so thats my guess |
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| 06:28.31 | sweetpi | iman: or do you mean it automatically starts upgrading everything? |
| 06:29.04 | iman | sweetpi: please visit http://paste.debian.net/81781/ .. it's ok ? |
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| 06:29.19 | gryllida | how do I archive a directory in bash? |
| 06:30.27 | liable | with tar |
| 06:30.29 | ogunay | gryllida: if you mean compressed a folder tar.gz format; $ tar jxvf folder_name |
| 06:30.37 | sweetpi | iman: actually its messed up |
| 06:31.16 | sweetpi | iman: you have 2 of the same repo, and no security updates |
| 06:31.18 | nsadmin | there are these self-extracting shell script things, I haven't seen one in a long time... so you don't do it with bash, there is tar, there is ar, there is zip (which doesn't keep track of linux-style file and dir semantics), there are others |
| 06:31.51 | nsadmin | gnu tar lately takes j to mean bzip2, z to mean gz |
| 06:32.19 | gryllida | dir/: Cannot read: Is a directory |
| 06:32.23 | sweetpi | x means extract.. which is not what they want :) |
| 06:32.23 | gryllida | ogunay: ^ |
| 06:32.36 | liable | !tar |
| 06:32.36 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
| 06:32.55 | nsadmin | maybe you should say what exact command produced that error message |
| 06:33.24 | sweetpi | likely what ogunay said |
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| 06:33.28 | nsadmin | however, I suspect you may have misunderstandings on how shells separate commands from parameters |
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| 06:34.09 | gryllida | ok, how do I grant everyone readonly access to a file? |
| 06:34.40 | nsadmin | so the questions you ask point to the basics |
| 06:34.41 | liable | gryllida: these are all basic unix/linux questions which google can answer easily |
| 06:34.51 | gryllida | is tired |
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| 06:35.58 | nsadmin | gryllida, give yourself time. the basics don't come overnight unless you're super motivated |
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| 06:36.27 | sweetpi | gryllida: so your using debian or ubuntu.. cause your asking the same questions in both channels |
| 06:36.30 | nsadmin | it's about a month's worth of material if you work on it at least 4 hours a day |
| 06:37.05 | alyur | gryllida, man chmod |
| 06:37.08 | gryllida | sweetpi, um, I'm using ubuntu, but I suppose it's dedbian based |
| 06:37.19 | Arrowmaster | nsadmin: ive got a bunch of those self extracting shell scripts |
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| 06:37.28 | Arrowmaster | !ubuntu |
| 06:37.28 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 06:37.54 | gryllida | ... |
| 06:37.56 | nsadmin | Arrowmaster, do much newsgroup reading? |
| 06:38.01 | gryllida | sorry for asking here, then |
| 06:38.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:38.39 | nsadmin | np, no matter what dist you're running you still need understanding of basics |
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| 06:40.23 | nsadmin | Arrowmaster, historically the shellscript archives were meant to appear in email or newsgroup messages, and split into multiples. since the archives are text, that part is easy |
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| 06:42.07 | Arrowmaster | software for my raid controller comes in one of those self extracting shell scripts, but somebody else turned it into a .deb and im using that, also most of the games in that humble indie game bundle a while back came in that format for the linux versions |
| 06:42.37 | Arrowmaster | which i still havent even installed because i was going to try to figure out how to convert them to .debs but i havent gotten around to it |
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| 07:03.41 | buckston | hi all |
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| 07:14.12 | something15525 | Quick question, anybody here played or heard of The Lord of the Rings Online? I was wondering if there was any way to install it on my Debian Squeeze system |
| 07:16.00 | rudi_s | Hi. I have an external disk encrypted with LUKS using a key file. I want to mount it on startup. At the moment I have the following in rc.local: crypdisks_start xxx; mount /mnt/xxx; Is this the right way to do it? Will they get unmounted correctly on shutdown? Thanks. |
| 07:16.08 | Arrowmaster | something15525: www.winehq.org |
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| 07:18.23 | something15525 | Arrowmaster: lol, i know about wine, but has anybody here personally been able to get this working? |
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| 07:30.56 | something15525 | I am having a problem installing the latest version of wine. i put the repo listed on winehq.org in my sources.list, and added the gpg key, but it is still installing 1.0.1, which is not the latest version |
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| 07:34.40 | sweetpi | something15525: did you update? |
| 07:35.04 | something15525 | sweetpi: yes, i ran sudo apt-get update after apt-key add ing the gpg key |
| 07:35.16 | sweetpi | something15525: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 07:36.14 | something15525 | sweetpi: http://pastebin.com/1jHSmbHq |
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| 07:39.23 | Arrowmaster | something15525: you wont find the latest version anyway, there isnt a 1.2 for debian |
| 07:39.57 | sweetpi | something15525: hmm.. looks ok(other than a few sadistic repos) |
| 07:40.02 | something15525 | Arrowmaster: i'm just looking for 1.1.14 or whatever is right before that, there is a version for amd64 squeeze, saw the .deb file |
| 07:40.34 | something15525 | sweetpi: sadistic repos? |
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| 07:41.12 | something15525 | sweetpi: heres my theory, wine was able to be installed from apt-get before i added the lamaresh repo for the latest version of wine, could there be a conflict? |
| 07:41.23 | sweetpi | something15525: the sid mixture :) |
| 07:41.48 | something15525 | sweetpi: just for installing unstable packages not available on squeeze lol like chromium |
| 07:42.19 | sweetpi | something15525: i have the same entry and have 1.1.42 |
| 07:42.22 | Arrowmaster | something15525: try using aptitude and selecting the specific version of wine you want |
| 07:43.29 | something15525 | Arrowmaster: sorry, what would that be? don't use aptitude that much |
| 07:43.43 | Arrowmaster | just run aptitude |
| 07:44.07 | Arrowmaster | then press / for search and find wine |
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| 07:44.31 | Arrowmaster | although there is probably a lot of stuff that matches the search for wine |
| 07:44.41 | something15525 | Arrowmaster: yes, there is |
| 07:44.44 | sweetpi | ^wine$ |
| 07:44.51 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah you can do that |
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| 07:46.11 | something15525 | Arrowmaster: the only version i see is 1.0.1-3 |
| 07:46.35 | something15525 | Arrowmaster: theres an unstable version |
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| 07:47.35 | sweetpi | something15525: you should see *-winehq* after pressing v on wine |
| 07:48.41 | something15525 | sweetpi: okay now there are different versions |
| 07:49.30 | something15525 | sweetpi: how do i select one |
| 07:49.36 | Arrowmaster | arrow keys |
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| 07:49.57 | Arrowmaster | install by pressing + over a highlighted one |
| 07:50.01 | sweetpi | up/down then + to add it, then press g a few times |
| 07:50.07 | something15525 | Arrowmaster: okay |
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| 07:50.32 | something15525 | sweetpi: installings |
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| 07:53.14 | GeneralStupid | Hi, ive got a problem with the openvpn init script - it breaks at line 74 |
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| 07:59.22 | something15525 | sweetpi: err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c0000005 flags 0 addr 0x2bbf64 |
| 07:59.40 | something15525 | sweetpi: while trying to run the installer |
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| 08:00.36 | sweetpi | something15525: the wine installer, or the a win32 installer? |
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| 08:00.58 | something15525 | sweetpi: a win32 installer |
| 08:01.13 | something15525 | sweetpi: why i was trying to install wine was to get this game working |
| 08:01.21 | something15525 | sweetpi: googled it, nothing |
| 08:01.38 | sweetpi | something15525: what game? |
| 08:01.56 | something15525 | sweetpi: LoTRO: The Lord of the Rings Online |
| 08:02.12 | sweetpi | something15525: you might want to move/delete your old .wine dir |
| 08:02.20 | something15525 | sweetpi: winehq.org shows it working fine. tried running another installer, worked just fine. |
| 08:03.03 | something15525 | err:seh:setup_exception_record stack overflow 952 bytes in thread 0009 eip 7efcc6ef esp 00a10f78 stack 0xa10000-0xa11000-0xc10000 |
| 08:03.06 | something15525 | err:seh:setup_exception_record stack overflow 2132 bytes in thread 0029 eip 7ef7d602 esp 00c10adc stack 0xc10000-0xc11000-0xe10000 |
| 08:03.10 | something15525 | oops sry for the paste |
| 08:03.13 | something15525 | thats the error now |
| 08:03.18 | delight | hi there i would like to write a monitoring script that reads the actual usage of the cpu-cores ... is that values available somewhere in /proc/somethingsomething ... |
| 08:03.35 | delight | or somewhere else ? |
| 08:03.36 | delight | ;) |
| 08:03.55 | GeneralStupid | something15525: Try "playonlinux" |
| 08:04.16 | something15525 | GeneralStupid: i'll give it a show |
| 08:04.21 | something15525 | GeneralStupid: shot* |
| 08:04.22 | GeneralStupid | something15525: PoL manages misc. wine versions.... its like cedega but free, works very good for me ... |
| 08:04.24 | something15525 | lol |
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| 08:06.03 | delight | i tryed ps -eo pcpu,pid <<< but that gives me only the avarage over all cpu-cores :-/ |
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| 08:08.02 | sweetpi | delight: mpstat |
| 08:09.14 | sweetpi | delight: "mpstat -P all" will show usage for all cores |
| 08:09.29 | KTL | how come , when unix systems put traditionally a lot of attention on their multi user system with security and file permissions ... that i dont really see tools more advanced than chown and chmod to manipulate and inspect privileges on file hierarchies? |
| 08:09.36 | delight | sweetpi: just installing sysstat and giving it a shot ;) |
| 08:10.01 | sweetpi | KTL: see chattr |
| 08:10.22 | kornerr | can anyone tell me how debian manages multilib support? |
| 08:10.36 | kornerr | does it have separate libs of glibc/gcc for 32 and 64 or single one? |
| 08:10.46 | KTL | for example a tool that deletes a group and resets all files associated with a group t a configurable default group? |
| 08:11.34 | sweetpi | KTL: sorry i meant setfattr and getfattr |
| 08:12.01 | KTL | or a tool that can tell me which users can write to a file? (inspecting all the directories it is in to see if the user actually can reach that location ) |
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| 08:12.30 | KTL | apt-cache searches |
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| 08:12.52 | noahir | how to create user in old debian ? |
| 08:12.54 | noahir | 4.0 ? |
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| 08:13.26 | KTL | noahir, isnt there a adduser command? |
| 08:13.40 | noahir | no it isnt |
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| 08:13.54 | abbe | in /usr/sbin ? |
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| 08:14.36 | noahir | is there |
| 08:14.36 | KTL | and ... useradd maybe? |
| 08:14.44 | noahir | but when i adduser |
| 08:14.47 | noahir | it say command not found |
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| 08:15.10 | sweetpi | noahir: are you root? |
| 08:15.12 | abbe | it is not in PATH |
| 08:15.13 | KTL | /usr/sbin/adduser ? |
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| 08:15.33 | abbe | you probably have to su-ing your old debian :P |
| 08:15.35 | noahir | KTL: that worked |
| 08:15.40 | noahir | ye |
| 08:15.41 | KTL | path indeed |
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| 08:18.09 | Zapadlo | Good Morning everyone. Question, I have OpenSuse on my netbook, I used it to install Debian onto a USB stick. Now I can only boot my netbook in Debian. If I dc it, OpenSuse doesn't load. Is this a Grub cfg thing? |
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| 08:18.25 | delight | sweetpi: looks like sysstat is just the thing ... for my purposes it looks more like pidstat is going to do the job ... specific to a process ... rather then mdstat for the global usage ... thanks al lot ... very cool |
| 08:20.57 | sweetpi | delight: np |
| 08:21.38 | noahir | btw where are logs in that old debian ? |
| 08:21.39 | WormFood | is there a debian tool that will allow me to change the file attributes on an ntfs file system? |
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| 08:23.04 | sweetpi | noahir: the same place as new debian /var/log |
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| 08:29.21 | sweetpi | WormFood: i think with ntfs-3g you can |
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| 08:30.18 | WormFood | sweetpi, but what tool? I've read the man pages, but couldn't find anything relevant |
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| 08:32.32 | sweetpi | WormFood: http://b.andre.pagesperso-orange.fr/permissions.html |
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| 08:35.01 | WormFood | thanks sweetpi, but that does not appear to have the info I'm looking for. I'm in a bind for time, so I'll just do it under virtual windows for now, but I do want to learn how to do it under Linux (I need to change them on an external hard drive, due to a virus that set all my directories to hidden) |
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| 08:40.20 | sweetpi | WormFood: yeah, sorry ive never messed with ntfs permissions on linux. just remembered that you could with ntfs-3g |
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| 08:41.46 | WormFood | I'm sure it can be done...I just didn't figure out how to do it fast enough....thanks for your efforts. I gotta go...see ya'll l8r åè§ |
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| 08:48.40 | dokma | How many of guys actually had to reinstall your linux machines? I installed my machine once 5 years ago and then just moved the disk image to new machines upgrading the packages along the way. I suppose the notion that machines need to be reinstalled from scratch from time to time is a Windows leftover?? |
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| 08:49.05 | mquin | pretty much |
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| 08:49.17 | ZitZ | hey, yesterday, i was using sidux install, but i was pretty much in Squeeze except for the sidux kernel, today i did a fresh install of squeeze, and it seems like the computer is slightly slower, and i'm using the same kernel as yesterday |
| 08:49.19 | mquin | most linux distros manage upgrading well enough |
| 08:49.32 | dokma | mquin: how old is your install? |
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| 08:49.47 | ZitZ | i screwed up my machine trying to do too much with nspluginwrapper and pulseaudio |
| 08:49.55 | mquin | and it's pretty rare to get into a situation where reinstalling is the only way to fix a problem |
| 08:50.33 | ZitZ | i could have fixed my problem i'm sure, but when a resinstall is about 1hr of my time, its hard to justify a 3hr fix sometimes |
| 08:50.40 | dokma | yeah... that was my feeling as well |
| 08:51.51 | dokma | On another topic... I was trying some screen casting lately but it seems that fglrx driver for my HD3450 is not the best as it hogs one of my cores to 100% already at 5 frames per second. Do you guys think buying NVidia card would be the solution? |
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| 08:52.32 | ZitZ | is your chipset supported by the opensource radeonhd driver yet? |
| 08:52.46 | ZitZ | i'm pretty sure it is, why not give that a try before going to nvidia |
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| 08:59.33 | something15525 | I've been looking around, but can't find anything on how to install Hamachi on linux. i need to get a file off of a friends computer and have no local access to it or a windows machine to use hamachi with. is there hamachi support on debian squeeze? |
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| 09:01.00 | Sm0ke0ut | hamachi is windows only afaik |
| 09:01.11 | KTL | i search a c++ way to change the group of a unix file ... |
| 09:01.27 | KTL | sys/stat.h allows me to inspect the gid |
| 09:01.36 | KTL | but not to modify it seems |
| 09:01.42 | something15525 | Sm0ke0ut: any way to get to my friends windows computer and access his shared files remotely? and copy from it? |
| 09:02.12 | petemc | something15525: there appears to be hamachi packages, search google |
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| 09:03.01 | something15525 | petemc: i've been looking around, the only packages i've found are from 08 or 07 and are for different distros, nothing close to squeeze |
| 09:03.11 | something15525 | petemc: mind giving me a url? |
| 09:03.19 | petemc | www.google.com |
| 09:03.24 | petemc | </useful> |
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| 09:03.44 | petemc | id never heard of hamachi til you mentioned it, i googled to see what it wads |
| 09:04.24 | something15525 | re recent side? |
| 09:05.12 | something15525 | petemc: by googling is what i meant by looking around, and i only found old packages, did you find any packages on the more recent side? |
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| 09:05.32 | Sm0ke0ut | http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Install_on_Linux should work on all distros |
| 09:05.44 | sweetpi | KTL: use chown from unistd.h |
| 09:05.56 | KTL | thanks! |
| 09:06.12 | something15525 | Sm0ke0ut: thank you |
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| 09:07.40 | something15525 | Sm0ke0ut: the problem is, that link about the tuntap driver just points to logmein's new hamachi, not info on how to install the driver. i need the driver to use the application |
| 09:08.46 | Sm0ke0ut | google for tuntap drivers. I bet you'll find alternative links |
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| 09:09.45 | something15525 | Sm0ke0ut: will do |
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| 09:11.52 | something15525 | anybody have any good alternatives to hamachi? |
| 09:12.22 | Sm0ke0ut | FTP? |
| 09:12.39 | something15525 | Sm0ke0ut: tunneling alternatives for private secure networks between computers |
| 09:13.00 | Sm0ke0ut | if it was linux yes, but windows doesn't have such methods afaik |
| 09:13.06 | jelly | something15525: openvpn? |
| 09:14.33 | something15525 | gotta go |
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| 09:26.45 | philiauntts | hello |
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| 09:32.26 | dockimble | i have a problem with a ibook g3 running debian |
| 09:32.36 | dockimble | x does not work properly |
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| 09:38.09 | bocaneri | Isn't G3 a PPC? |
| 09:38.25 | jelly | it is. |
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| 09:39.28 | DotHack | hi! |
| 09:39.49 | DotHack | I'm having some trouble installing a default route with a gateway in another subnet |
| 09:40.16 | jelly | DotHack: you can't have the gw in a nonlocal subnet |
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| 09:40.21 | DotHack | i can ping the gateway but when i enter to route command for adding a default route is get an SIOCADDRT: No such process error |
| 09:41.05 | DotHack | jelly: ? whynot |
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| 09:48.08 | dockimble | yes |
| 09:48.11 | dockimble | g3 is a pp3 |
| 09:48.12 | dockimble | ppc |
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| 10:05.09 | jelly | DotHack: your system would have to tell the router in the middle to accept all those packets and route them where you want them. This can't be done easily. |
| 10:05.50 | DotHack | jelly: ok thnx! i'm going to have the router changed |
| 10:06.03 | jelly | DotHack: you can have your default route point to any IP on any local segment tho |
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| 10:08.51 | DotHack | proxy works also hehe |
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| 10:18.40 | ZolaHacker | «¼¼» §äLäM £vë®ÿÖñë «¼¼» |
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| 10:19.09 | frantik | hello guys |
| 10:19.15 | frantik | i have an upgrade problem.. |
| 10:19.22 | frantik | i'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
| 10:19.31 | frantik | and i run in a loop for upgrading udev |
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| 10:21.49 | engrxyz | hi how will i uninstall a package and its dependencies using aptitude |
| 10:23.06 | jelly | ZolaHacker: please switch that off, if you're not going to ask any questions or participate in any other way, there's no need to do greetings |
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| 10:23.38 | ZolaHacker | [ LªµGhîNg OµT LóµÐzz ] |
| 10:23.42 | ZolaHacker | i need help |
| 10:23.47 | the-dude | frantik: what loop? |
| 10:23.55 | ZolaHacker | it's automatic brovas |
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| 10:24.09 | ZolaHacker | why you want me to switch it off brother |
| 10:24.13 | ZolaHacker | is it affecting you |
| 10:24.14 | ZolaHacker | ?? |
| 10:24.30 | jelly | yes. It serves no purpose. |
| 10:24.36 | frantik | udev refuses to install.. |
| 10:24.39 | frantik | simply |
| 10:24.53 | frantik | requiring an higher linux kernel |
| 10:25.03 | the-dude | frantik: did you upgrade the kernel, rebooted and try again? |
| 10:25.14 | jelly | !tell frantik about squeeze udev |
| 10:25.16 | frantik | the-dude, 2 times |
| 10:25.26 | the-dude | frantik: what kernel are you running? |
| 10:25.44 | frantik | checking if last reboot changed anything.. |
| 10:25.49 | frantik | (remote server..) |
| 10:25.52 | ZolaHacker | bro |
| 10:25.55 | ZolaHacker | i need help |
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| 10:26.06 | the-dude | frantik: uname -a |
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| 10:26.17 | Innocentus | hi ho |
| 10:26.31 | Innocentus | How can I determine what fileoperations apt-get install php5 exactly does? |
| 10:26.35 | frantik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:26.46 | frantik | sounds like i got a kernel panic or something |
| 10:27.13 | the-dude | thats not good :/ |
| 10:27.29 | frantik | ...or not |
| 10:27.35 | frantik | my data center admin freaked out |
| 10:27.52 | Innocentus | hey - who has time for me? |
| 10:27.56 | frantik | stupid linux luser.. |
| 10:27.59 | frantik | err |
| 10:28.00 | frantik | win32 |
| 10:28.10 | frantik | Innocentus, hm ? |
| 10:28.15 | Innocentus | frantik: How can I determine what fileoperations apt-get install php5 exactly does? |
| 10:28.26 | frantik | apt-get is deprecated |
| 10:28.39 | frantik | check /var/log/aptitude for a log of the install |
| 10:29.16 | frantik | Innocentus, if you wanna know what it does in detail, run the debian packager manual or something |
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| 10:29.29 | the-dude | Innocentus: try using -s |
| 10:29.31 | Innocentus | frantik: are aptitude and apt compatible? |
| 10:29.40 | frantik | they are |
| 10:29.55 | frantik | but using apt-get is deprecated iirc |
| 10:30.01 | cahoot | not really |
| 10:30.03 | frantik | the-dude, sounds like the update went better :D |
| 10:30.25 | ZolaHacker | How can i make a weak php shell to inbox |
| 10:30.25 | Innocentus | so I can remove packages with aptitude which are installed with apt before? |
| 10:30.26 | ZolaHacker | How can i make a weak php shell to inbox |
| 10:30.27 | ZolaHacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.29 | ZolaHacker | ?? |
| 10:30.53 | frantik | ZolaHacker, bad programming, use an out of date debian. |
| 10:31.02 | themill | ZolaHacker: please go and fix your irc client. |
| 10:31.10 | Innocentus | so I can remove packages with aptitude which are installed with apt before? |
| 10:31.18 | ZolaHacker | done |
| 10:31.24 | the-dude | Innocentus: yes |
| 10:31.28 | frantik | aptitude purge <package> |
| 10:31.31 | frantik | aptitude remove <package> |
| 10:31.35 | ZolaHacker | how Can i make that |
| 10:31.36 | ZolaHacker | ? |
| 10:31.52 | frantik | ZolaHacker, what is your goal ? |
| 10:31.59 | ZolaHacker | goaL of what |
| 10:32.00 | ZolaHacker | ?? |
| 10:32.11 | frantik | what are you attempting to do |
| 10:32.50 | frantik | it cannot be more clear than that |
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| 10:33.02 | Innocentus | the aptitude log contains only: [INSTALL] php5 |
| 10:33.22 | themill | Innocentus: are you *still* fiddling about with this upstream install of php? |
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| 10:33.35 | ZolaHacker | «¼¼» §äLäM £vë®ÿÖñë «¼¼» |
| 10:33.42 | Innocentus | yes |
| 10:33.47 | Innocentus | it really hurts me down |
| 10:33.59 | ZolaHacker | i upLoad a php maiLer in a sheLL and it goes buLk |
| 10:34.01 | ZolaHacker | i want to know if there is a way to make it inbox |
| 10:34.03 | ZolaHacker | ? |
| 10:34.21 | frantik | Innocentus, same question for you .. what are you attempting to do |
| 10:34.31 | ZolaHacker | i see no answer |
| 10:34.35 | frantik | ZolaHacker, so you are wanting to write a spam program ? |
| 10:34.45 | ZolaHacker | nope |
| 10:34.48 | ZolaHacker | inbox |
| 10:34.55 | frantik | ZolaHacker, what does your program do |
| 10:34.58 | ZolaHacker | to make the php sheLL strong |
| 10:35.00 | frantik | "inbox" isnt a function.. |
| 10:35.24 | frantik | ZolaHacker, what is the function of your intended program, its purpose |
| 10:35.31 | themill | ZolaHacker: please ask in ##php. |
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| 10:38.01 | frantik | ZolaHacker, and there are php channels in your language |
| 10:38.11 | ZolaHacker | no |
| 10:38.18 | frantik | Innocentus, back to you, what is the initial issue |
| 10:38.21 | Innocentus | frantik: I want to remove an existing manual installed php and replace it with the php packe installation |
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| 10:38.31 | ZolaHacker | i want to instaLL perL in my ssh |
| 10:38.39 | Innocentus | frantik: but now I want to check what apt is intalling because php is not available - even after apt-get install php5 |
| 10:38.43 | ZolaHacker | i try it perL -v |
| 10:38.49 | Innocentus | frantik: I guess I need to adapt the configuration |
| 10:38.50 | ZolaHacker | and stiLL not working |
| 10:38.51 | frantik | ZolaHacker, aptitude install perl ? |
| 10:38.55 | ZolaHacker | yes |
| 10:39.23 | frantik | Innocentus, dpkg -l|grep php : do you see php5 installed ? |
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| 10:39.34 | frantik | hmm |
| 10:39.41 | frantik | i got a fontconfig remove error ... |
| 10:39.50 | frantik | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.24 | ZolaHacker | how Can i instaLL it perL |
| 10:40.25 | ZolaHacker | ?? |
| 10:40.36 | frantik | ZolaHacker, speak english please.. |
| 10:40.45 | ZolaHacker | i speak engLishman |
| 10:40.48 | ZolaHacker | i speak engLish man |
| 10:40.51 | frantik | (subject, verb, complement) |
| 10:41.18 | ZolaHacker | How Can i instaLL perL |
| 10:41.29 | frantik | aptitude install perl |
| 10:41.32 | Innocentus | frantik: Here is the output: http://pastebin.com/MQAkhXRH |
| 10:41.32 | themill | ZolaHacker: if this is debian, you already have it |
| 10:42.04 | frantik | Innocentus, try that : |
| 10:42.21 | frantik | apt-get remove --purge php5 * ; aptitude clean ; aptitude install php5 |
| 10:42.26 | ZolaHacker | see |
| 10:42.36 | ZolaHacker | Linux vps.smart-is.Co.uk 2.6.18-028stab053.10-PAE #1 SMP Thu Feb 28 19:54:09 MSK 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 10:42.37 | frantik | err |
| 10:42.42 | frantik | apt-get remove --purge php5* ; aptitude clean ; aptitude install php5 |
| 10:42.43 | ZolaHacker | Can you see that |
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| 10:43.04 | frantik | ZolaHacker, your phrasology doesn't make any sense |
| 10:43.06 | Innocentus | frantik: this will remove any php5 related |
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| 10:43.13 | frantik | Innocentus, yep |
| 10:43.16 | Innocentus | frantik: do you think this is a good idea? maybe I need the modules? |
| 10:43.18 | themill | frantik: "aptitude purge ~nphp" would also work. clean is unnecessary |
| 10:43.21 | ZolaHacker | i said i want to instaLL perL |
| 10:43.29 | Innocentus | frantik: ok |
| 10:43.33 | Innocentus | frantik: I will start that now |
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| 10:43.39 | frantik | themill, forcing a package redownload isnt a bad idea |
| 10:43.51 | themill | frantik: md5sums already deal with this |
| 10:43.55 | frantik | ZolaHacker, perl -v returns anything ? |
| 10:44.00 | themill | ZolaHacker: that's not a debian kernel. |
| 10:44.08 | ZolaHacker | ok |
| 10:44.15 | frantik | themill, sometimes mirrors are corrupted and if you dont clean it uses the local cache |
| 10:44.20 | frantik | bts.. |
| 10:44.27 | themill | frantik: md5sums still deal with that |
| 10:44.30 | Innocentus | frantik: wait - how can I preserve the configs? |
| 10:44.31 | ZolaHacker | so i want to Learn how to instaLL perL |
| 10:44.34 | ZolaHacker | ? |
| 10:44.41 | Innocentus | frantik: because I am using confixx |
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| 10:45.01 | themill | ZolaHacker: please take the time to read what people tell you. If this is debian, you already have perl. |
| 10:45.14 | frantik | Innocentus, cp -R /etc/php* /path/to/backup |
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| 10:45.26 | frantik | http://pastebin.com/hiduPN1b |
| 10:45.30 | themill | ZolaHacker: if this is not debian, please ask in the channel for your distro. |
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| 10:45.32 | frantik | kinda my log .. |
| 10:45.50 | frantik | fontconfig resists the uninstall |
| 10:46.58 | frantik | (same error with aptitude btw) |
| 10:47.55 | frantik | hmm i think i fixed it :D |
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| 10:48.20 | frantik | ZolaHacker, do not pm me please.. |
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| 10:48.35 | Innocentus | frantik: it seems to work |
| 10:48.52 | frantik | Innocentus, so i saved your day ? :P |
| 10:49.02 | Innocentus | frantik: yes |
| 10:49.12 | frantik | Innocentus, great, where do i send the bill ? :D |
| 10:49.17 | Innocentus | frantik: If I could help you - tell it me. I am good in Adobe products / PHP |
| 10:49.18 | frantik | j/k |
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| 10:49.34 | frantik | Innocentus, not really needing help |
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| 10:49.49 | frantik | just a distro upgrade that did give me troubles |
| 10:49.54 | frantik | nothing out the ordinary |
| 10:50.15 | Innocentus | frantik: I am very new to debian :) |
| 10:50.23 | Innocentus | frantik: but debian is a very nice distro |
| 10:50.29 | DotHack | Does anyone know if i can join Win2008 server to a lenny samba? |
| 10:50.37 | frantik | Innocentus, as long you don't use mandriva.. :D |
| 10:50.42 | StuckMojo | DotHack: yo ushould be able to |
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| 10:50.55 | derik | !help update |
| 10:50.58 | derik | hmm |
| 10:50.59 | DotHack | I've had some trouble with an etch samba |
| 10:51.02 | frantik | DotHack, http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/domain-member.html |
| 10:51.12 | derik | !help |
| 10:51.14 | StuckMojo | DotHack: last i knew samba looked like an NT4 domain, but you could still join t |
| 10:51.19 | StuckMojo | derik: what are you looking for? |
| 10:51.21 | frantik | derik, hello first. |
| 10:51.34 | StuckMojo | derik: the bot here responds to ?? |
| 10:51.40 | derik | how i update debian |
| 10:51.47 | frantik | aptitude update |
| 10:51.50 | StuckMojo | derik: this isn't #debian |
| 10:51.58 | frantik | then aptitude upgrade |
| 10:52.00 | Innocentus | frantik: another - more debile question from my side: how can I install PECL? |
| 10:52.05 | frantik | StuckMojo, are you on drugs ? |
| 10:52.07 | derik | StuckMojo ? |
| 10:52.10 | StuckMojo | lol |
| 10:52.11 | StuckMojo | oh shit |
| 10:52.20 | derik | probably :) |
| 10:52.20 | frantik | epic fail :D |
| 10:52.24 | StuckMojo | thought he was in #postgresql |
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| 10:52.41 | StuckMojo | i forgot i joined #debian last night to ask about kernels |
| 10:52.49 | StuckMojo | nm, sorry ;) |
| 10:53.10 | frantik | Innocentus, old howto : http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/07/howto_build_and_install_the_intl_pecl_extension_for_php5_in_debian/ |
| 10:53.15 | derik | Innocentus i can use apt-get instead aptitude |
| 10:53.15 | frantik | (but still valid) |
| 10:53.19 | StuckMojo | wrong window in irssi |
| 10:53.35 | frantik | derik, you can, but then you will have to use apt-cache |
| 10:53.38 | StuckMojo | derik: you can use either but aptitude is perferred these days |
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| 10:54.13 | StuckMojo | i believe they all use the same underlying libraries and dbs so it makes much less difference now than it used to |
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| 10:54.56 | StuckMojo | aptitude works much the same so there's not much reason not to switch |
| 10:54.57 | frantik | lets cut it short, use apt-cache update and apt-get upgrade if you intend to use apt |
| 10:55.20 | StuckMojo | frantik: what's wrong with apt-get update; ? |
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| 10:55.28 | frantik | StuckMojo, try it |
| 10:55.32 | dav1d | Hello |
| 10:55.55 | StuckMojo | frantik: seems to work fine |
| 10:56.06 | frantik | o_0 |
| 10:56.10 | StuckMojo | Fetched 519kB in 2s (193kB/s) |
| 10:56.16 | frantik | then i missed an update to the tool |
| 10:56.30 | StuckMojo | frantik: that's the way i've done it since woody |
| 10:56.36 | derik | is good to make update evrey day ? |
| 10:56.48 | StuckMojo | derik: update can't hurt |
| 10:56.50 | dav1d | I've a debian5.0r5 and I try to install apache2, but it doesn't work, there's no init/start script - http://paste.pocoo.org/show/IIgXENSQk7fj06LHJbsB/ - I hope you've an idea. - Linux 84-23-73-89 2.6.18-92.1.18.el5.028stab060.2 #1 SMP Tue Jan 13 11:38:36 MSK 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:56.58 | frantik | StuckMojo, i've been using aptitude since 2006 or so |
| 10:56.59 | StuckMojo | derik: that just refreshes the list of available packages |
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| 10:57.18 | StuckMojo | frantik: ah. i only switched to apititude a couple years ago |
| 10:57.27 | StuckMojo | more like one year really |
| 10:57.38 | frantik | StuckMojo, apt-get could get removed that i wouldn't care |
| 10:57.39 | dav1d | it's really weird |
| 10:57.47 | StuckMojo | was using apt-get since about 2000 |
| 10:58.07 | StuckMojo | didn't like aptitude because it installed recommends by default |
| 10:58.13 | frantik | dav1d, o_0 |
| 10:58.25 | frantik | a* ? htt* ? what the hell |
| 10:58.41 | frantik | dav1d, you are up to date right ? |
| 10:58.47 | dav1d | frantik: just to show you, that there's no httpd and no apache2 script |
| 10:58.48 | StuckMojo | how's squeeze coming along? |
| 10:58.52 | dav1d | frantik: yes |
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| 10:59.11 | frantik | dav1d, yet it shows in dpkg -l ? |
| 10:59.21 | dav1d | at the end of the paste |
| 10:59.36 | frantik | dav1d, i don't see the status in your paste |
| 10:59.38 | derik | how i upgrade kernel ? |
| 10:59.52 | frantik | derik, aptitude search linux-image |
| 10:59.54 | dav1d | frantik: ah kk, some secs |
| 10:59.57 | frantik | choose your image etc |
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| 11:00.11 | StuckMojo | apache2.2-common: /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 11:00.14 | frantik | then aptitude install linux-image-<your flavor> |
| 11:00.30 | derik | i have a vps on openvz |
| 11:00.30 | StuckMojo | dav1d: should be in the common package |
| 11:00.34 | dav1d | frantik: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/pmS25lyZJmqTSJ8PNyYZ/ |
| 11:00.38 | derik | i think my kernel is share |
| 11:00.50 | frantik | share ? o_0 |
| 11:00.53 | dav1d | StuckMojo: that's installed (apache2.2-common |
| 11:01.08 | qwd | StuckMojo: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 11:01.16 | StuckMojo | interesting. try forcing a reinstall of it i guess |
| 11:01.25 | StuckMojo | just -common |
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| 11:01.47 | frantik | dav1d, aptitude purge "~napache" |
| 11:02.03 | frantik | (not sure about the ~n syntax) |
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| 11:02.25 | derik | debian minima can run at 32 mb of ram ? |
| 11:02.30 | derik | minimal |
| 11:02.36 | frantik | themill, can you confirm ? |
| 11:02.42 | StuckMojo | derik: it has for me before |
| 11:02.43 | frantik | derik, pointless |
| 11:02.59 | StuckMojo | woody minimal used to use about 4MB of ram after boot |
| 11:03.02 | frantik | unless you're doing a smartphone custom |
| 11:03.05 | dav1d | bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 11:03.16 | o2T7 | dav1d: as root |
| 11:03.20 | frantik | dav1d, O_O |
| 11:03.28 | StuckMojo | frantik: i'd argue you can do a decent NAT box with even less than 32 |
| 11:03.29 | dav1d | o2T7: I did it as root |
| 11:03.45 | dav1d | frantik: but I can install it with apt-get |
| 11:03.52 | frantik | StuckMojo, id argue that being pragmatical, my lower box have 512 mb |
| 11:04.14 | frantik | dav1d, you got important stuff on that computer ? |
| 11:04.18 | dav1d | frantik: no |
| 11:04.29 | frantik | dav1d, do a clean install |
| 11:04.31 | Innocentus | frantik: there is still a little problem: altough no php5 package is installed there is still php installed on the apache |
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| 11:04.34 | Innocentus | frantik: wahh |
| 11:04.35 | dav1d | frantik: it's a vserve (got it from my friend to test a bit) |
| 11:04.43 | dav1d | frantik: it's a clean install |
| 11:04.49 | dav1d | frantik: I just installed it |
| 11:04.54 | dav1d | (through the webpanel) |
| 11:05.13 | frantik | Innocentus, grep -R <the .so> /etc/apache2 |
| 11:05.23 | dav1d | so, I'll reinstall debian |
| 11:05.30 | frantik | (or is it -r ?) |
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| 11:05.44 | frantik | Innocentus, add quotes of course |
| 11:05.53 | Innocentus | grep -r <"php5.so"> /etc/apache2 ? |
| 11:06.03 | frantik | its another .so |
| 11:06.06 | frantik | sec |
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| 11:06.44 | frantik | aptitude purge ~n |
| 11:06.46 | frantik | RAHH |
| 11:06.47 | dav1d | it will be installed in ca 10minutes |
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| 11:06.58 | dav1d | frantik: ? |
| 11:06.59 | frantik | grep -r '.so' /etc/apache2/|grep php5 |
| 11:07.18 | frantik | dav1d, ? |
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| 11:07.28 | dav1d | frantik: < frantik> aptitude purge ~n |
| 11:07.42 | frantik | dav1d, provide a syntax with it |
| 11:08.00 | frantik | aptitude purge "~napache2" |
| 11:08.07 | frantik | should work |
| 11:08.15 | dav1d | frantik: debian is reinstalling |
| 11:08.27 | frantik | dav1d, why the question then ? o_0 |
| 11:08.27 | Innocentus | frantik: http://pastebin.com/VebsPDqY |
| 11:08.36 | dav1d | frantik: ^^ |
| 11:08.39 | dav1d | Debian 5.0r5 minimal |
| 11:08.44 | frantik | a2dismod |
| 11:09.18 | Innocentus | frantik: ok - I have restarted |
| 11:09.26 | frantik | now reinstall your php :) |
| 11:09.28 | Innocentus | frantik: and apache2 complains now - a good sign |
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| 11:09.55 | Innocentus | frantik: where can I find the php mod dependencies? where can I find the sources of it? Because I don't need them anymore and I want to delete this data. |
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| 11:10.23 | abrotman | Innocentus: didn't you ask ##php yet? |
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| 11:10.37 | frantik | abrotman, he's trying to fix his debian install.. |
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| 11:10.51 | abrotman | install of php or justinstall? he had installed PHP from source |
| 11:11.13 | Innocentus | oh :) |
| 11:11.19 | frantik | Innocentus, apt-get source php5 should download php source |
| 11:11.36 | Innocentus | frantik: and how can I delete the manually fetched source? because this did my vhost-provider |
| 11:11.54 | abrotman | Innocentus: if you have manually compiled PHP, ask ##php how to remove it .. we've gone over this a few times |
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| 11:12.14 | frantik | Innocentus, the downloaded package will be in your current directory |
| 11:12.17 | frantik | see pwd |
| 11:12.53 | abrotman | frantik: i think he's talking about the stuff installed from tar.gz |
| 11:13.29 | Innocentus | frantik: OK - I have executed aptitude install php5 |
| 11:13.30 | frantik | abrotman, l |
| 11:13.37 | Innocentus | frantik: it ran through successfully |
| 11:13.37 | frantik | k* |
| 11:13.47 | Innocentus | frantik: but apache2 still complains |
| 11:13.55 | Innocentus | frantik: do I need to activate the package php5 somehow? |
| 11:13.57 | frantik | whats the message ? |
| 11:14.00 | frantik | well |
| 11:14.06 | frantik | use a2enmod php5 |
| 11:14.10 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 is the package, not php5 |
| 11:14.11 | frantik | should do the trick |
| 11:14.20 | Innocentus | ohhh |
| 11:14.36 | frantik | abrotman, should be installed as dependancy nope ? |
| 11:14.59 | Innocentus | NOO |
| 11:15.01 | abrotman | no |
| 11:15.05 | frantik | k |
| 11:15.14 | frantik | Innocentus, you read what the man said |
| 11:15.46 | Innocentus | frantik: I have installed libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:15.51 | Innocentus | frantik: how can I activate it? |
| 11:15.53 | dav1d | frantik: so I installed debian, now just install apache2 or apache2.2-common? |
| 11:16.00 | frantik | <frantik> use a2enmod php5 |
| 11:16.07 | Innocentus | ERROR: Module php5 does not exist! |
| 11:16.09 | Innocentus | o.O |
| 11:16.15 | frantik | dav1d, run tasksel |
| 11:16.45 | dav1d | frantik: -bash: tasksel: command not found |
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| 11:16.59 | abrotman | Innocentus: did you install thep ackage i mentioned ? |
| 11:17.00 | frantik | aptitude install libapache2-mo-php5 |
| 11:17.09 | abrotman | dav1d: aptitude install apache2 |
| 11:17.11 | frantik | aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 (sorry typo) |
| 11:17.13 | Innocentus | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:17.21 | dav1d | abrotman: I'll give it another try ;) |
| 11:17.26 | abrotman | Innocentus: is the package installed? check with dpkg -l |
| 11:17.47 | abrotman | Innocentus: did you remove config files manually? |
| 11:17.53 | Innocentus | no |
| 11:17.57 | dav1d | abrotman: :(, theres no init script |
| 11:17.59 | Innocentus | don't think so |
| 11:18.05 | Innocentus | wait - yes |
| 11:18.07 | Innocentus | I did |
| 11:18.15 | dav1d | abrotman: so it failed agian |
| 11:18.16 | abrotman | damn it |
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| 11:18.18 | dav1d | *again |
| 11:18.24 | abrotman | dav1d: did you remove config files manually also ? |
| 11:18.37 | dav1d | abrotman: config files? |
| 11:18.38 | abrotman | Innocentus: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:18.44 | dav1d | abrotman: I reinstalled the whole os |
| 11:18.46 | abrotman | dav1d: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall apache2.2-common |
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| 11:19.39 | dav1d | abrotman: wow thanks, this works |
| 11:19.42 | Innocentus | phew |
| 11:19.47 | frantik | abrotman, nice one :D |
| 11:19.47 | Innocentus | it works now thank you |
| 11:19.52 | dav1d | abrotman: I dont know why, but it does :D |
| 11:20.06 | abrotman | Innocentus: do NOT remove config files by hand unless you know exactly what you're doing |
| 11:20.10 | frantik | dav1d, because one of the senior helped |
| 11:20.14 | abrotman | dav1d: ^^ same for you |
| 11:20.18 | abrotman | senior? |
| 11:20.21 | Innocentus | OK |
| 11:20.23 | Innocentus | now it works |
| 11:20.24 | dav1d | :D |
| 11:20.26 | Innocentus | thank you to all |
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| 11:20.43 | Innocentus | I get the following error: PHP may be executing as a "privileged" user, which could be a serious security vulnerability. |
| 11:20.48 | Innocentus | Or: PHP may be executing as a "privileged" group, which could be a serious security vulnerability. |
| 11:20.53 | dav1d | yep thanks to you, both |
| 11:20.55 | Innocentus | how can I fix that? |
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| 11:20.59 | frantik | abrotman, i do consider you a senior helper yeah |
| 11:21.06 | frantik | in terms of "grades" |
| 11:21.08 | Innocentus | It is not a php5-related thing because the security layer is implemented in debian |
| 11:21.13 | abrotman | dpkg: karma abrotman |
| 11:21.13 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 47 |
| 11:21.14 | abrotman | yay! |
| 11:21.26 | abrotman | Innocentus: it could be your php5.conf |
| 11:21.29 | frantik | dpkg, karma frantik |
| 11:21.29 | dpkg | frantik has neutral karma |
| 11:21.38 | Innocentus | karma Innocentus |
| 11:21.43 | Innocentus | dpkg, karma Innocentus |
| 11:21.44 | dpkg | innocentus has neutral karma |
| 11:21.45 | Innocentus | good |
| 11:21.56 | frantik | sounds like slashdot |
| 11:22.08 | frantik | now to find a way to abuse the karma system .. !D |
| 11:22.12 | frantik | :D |
| 11:22.12 | Innocentus | abrotman: so php.ini would be the right place for chaning the permission problem? |
| 11:22.23 | abrotman | erm .. sorry, i gave the wrong file .. |
| 11:22.35 | abrotman | Innocentus: can you give us the actual error ? |
| 11:22.39 | frantik | Innocentus, he meant apache2.conf |
| 11:22.45 | Innocentus | ah |
| 11:23.02 | abrotman | i didn't .. |
| 11:23.02 | frantik | Innocentus, you can setup the user running apache there |
| 11:23.08 | frantik | bad idea to change that tho.. |
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| 11:23.19 | abrotman | the default debian packages don't have this problem .. that's why i want to see the actual error |
| 11:23.20 | Innocentus | frantik: but why? it is remarked as security error |
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| 11:23.32 | dav1d | wow, php works, phpmyadmin works mod_wsgi works, great |
| 11:23.33 | frantik | abrotman, if php5 run under apache, its apache user that matter.. |
| 11:23.43 | Innocentus | frantik: so what do I need to change now? |
| 11:23.46 | Innocentus | *is confused* |
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| 11:24.01 | abrotman | frantik: the *default* configs don't have that issue .. this is why his actual error might be important |
| 11:24.06 | frantik | Innocentus, ps auxw and check if apache is run as www-data |
| 11:24.27 | frantik | abrotman, yeah, made him propely purge his php before tho |
| 11:24.33 | frantik | so the install should be regular now |
| 11:24.51 | abrotman | he had compiled it from source .. no clue what random bits are left |
| 11:24.57 | Aiya | Now Im in ubuntu netbook.How do I install debian directly? |
| 11:25.17 | abrotman | !d-i Aiya |
| 11:25.17 | dpkg | Aiya, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 11:25.39 | frantik | Innocentus, find / -name "*.ini" |grep php |
| 11:25.46 | frantik | and pastebin that |
| 11:26.19 | derik | when release version 6 of debian ? |
| 11:26.23 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 11:26.23 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 11:26.44 | frantik | derik, when hell freeze usually |
| 11:26.58 | gnarface | who's got star craft 2 working under wine? bow before me, bitches |
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| 11:27.08 | abrotman | gnarface: wrong channel |
| 11:27.19 | Aiya | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 11:27.30 | gnarface | abrotman: i was bluffing anyway. i haven't even unwrapped it yet |
| 11:27.36 | frantik | gnarface, bow ? bend over first |
| 11:27.38 | abrotman | gnarface: and no one here cares |
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| 11:27.45 | Innocentus | OK |
| 11:27.46 | themill | gnarface: perhaps you wanted #defocus? |
| 11:27.49 | Innocentus | here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/D77sT3nw |
| 11:27.56 | Aiya | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 11:27.58 | Innocentus | is apache2 running as www-data? I guess it does. |
| 11:28.03 | Innocentus | so I should fix that, right? |
| 11:28.04 | frantik | it is |
| 11:28.13 | frantik | see line 67 to 77 |
| 11:28.18 | Innocentus | PHP may be executing as a "privileged" user |
| 11:28.21 | Aiya | ops sorry |
| 11:28.23 | Innocentus | this is the warning message |
| 11:28.27 | abrotman | Innocentus: WHERE IS THE ACTUAL ERROR? |
| 11:28.29 | Aiya | My scrreen freeze |
| 11:28.37 | frantik | Innocentus, from where ? |
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| 11:28.40 | abrotman | god damn it .. stop being so fucking vague and making it nearly impossible for people to help you |
| 11:28.44 | frantik | Innocentus, what produce that error ? |
| 11:28.47 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 11:28.50 | Innocentus | abrotman / frantik: piwik security check |
| 11:28.55 | mquin | g2 |
| 11:28.57 | abrotman | Innocentus: PASTEBIN |
| 11:29.04 | abrotman | god .. HELP US |
| 11:29.14 | daedaluz | lol |
| 11:29.24 | gnarface | Innocentus: www-data is not a "privileged user" it's apache's user and that's what mod_php will use by default - just don't do something stupid |
| 11:29.24 | frantik | abrotman, don't invoke religion or self kick yourself please.. |
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| 11:29.35 | daedaluz | Innocentus: #ubuntu is that way -> |
| 11:29.56 | abrotman | Innocentus: put the ACTUAL message in a pastesbin .. last warning |
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| 11:30.10 | abrotman | frantik: i left off "help us help you" |
| 11:30.42 | frantik | abrotman, i left "god" |
| 11:30.45 | abrotman | good |
| 11:30.47 | Innocentus | http://phpsec.org/projects/phpsecinfo/ |
| 11:31.03 | abrotman | Innocentus: NOT helpful .. try again |
| 11:31.19 | abrotman | Innocentus: put the ACTUAL message in a pastesbin .. last warning |
| 11:31.28 | frantik | FINALLY safe-upgrade finished .. 2 hours later |
| 11:31.36 | abrotman | pastebin .. |
| 11:32.05 | frantik | Innocentus, they want the stdout |
| 11:32.16 | Innocentus | http://pastebin.com/UQSwHyEd |
| 11:32.17 | Innocentus | here it is |
| 11:32.23 | gnarface | Innocentus: www-data is the correct and appropriate debian apache2 user. debian and apache2 are the way, the truth, and the light. don't fucking give write access to www-data to apache2 |
| 11:32.37 | frantik | daedaluz, you mean ubuntu is that way -> #hell |
| 11:33.09 | abrotman | stop it |
| 11:33.26 | gnarface | mommy and daddy i hate it when you fight!!! |
| 11:33.28 | abrotman | Innocentus: so that website checks your PHP to see if it is secure? and it's telling you these "issues" ? |
| 11:33.32 | Innocentus | yes |
| 11:33.34 | Innocentus | hehe |
| 11:33.36 | frantik | Innocentus, is that tool producing a log ? |
| 11:33.44 | Innocentus | wait - I will check that |
| 11:34.00 | frantik | Innocentus, you realize you are wasting our time a little ? :D |
| 11:34.13 | abrotman | Innocentus: none of those are an issue. Have a good day! |
| 11:34.37 | Innocentus | OK |
| 11:34.41 | Innocentus | I see it |
| 11:34.47 | Innocentus | Thank you very much for all your help |
| 11:34.52 | Innocentus | I g2g |
| 11:34.54 | frantik | np |
| 11:34.54 | Innocentus | bye |
| 11:35.07 | abrotman | cries a little |
| 11:35.40 | gnarface | frantik: he still thinks we're paid tech support employees of Debian, Inc. and that we are doing our job badly |
| 11:36.15 | frantik | gnarface, whom ? |
| 11:36.18 | dockimble | does anyone have any experience with the airport driver in 2.6.32? |
| 11:36.30 | gnarface | frantik: Innocentus |
| 11:36.39 | StuckMojo | so how is squeeze looking these days? iirc there was a code freeze like a month ago, so it was feeling like end of summer? |
| 11:36.42 | frantik | he didnt state that |
| 11:36.42 | abrotman | dockimble: please ask your real question |
| 11:36.50 | abrotman | StuckMojo: that was a string freeze IIRC |
| 11:36.50 | frantik | he altough stated that he was a newbie |
| 11:37.18 | StuckMojo | istr there was some big shakup at the time that had pushed it a couple months |
| 11:37.20 | gnarface | goes to smoke some cloves then ponder how to make starcraft 2 run in wine |
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| 11:38.18 | StuckMojo | anyone have any impressions of glusterfs to share? |
| 11:39.29 | dockimble | right, i'm running debian on an imac g3 with the 2.6.32 kernel and i get an error every time i try to connect to a wifi network |
| 11:39.43 | abrotman | and that error is? |
| 11:41.05 | frantik | using an imac |
| 11:41.14 | frantik | sorry, couldn't resist :D |
| 11:41.39 | dockimble | it dont connect |
| 11:41.54 | dockimble | it's not saying much else |
| 11:42.17 | abrotman | dockimble: so it's not configured correctly? |
| 11:42.23 | jelly | dockimble: can you connect to an open network? |
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| 11:43.35 | dockimble | good question of which i have no way to test |
| 11:43.37 | frantik | guys, it was fun to hang around |
| 11:43.43 | frantik | but i gota go |
| 11:43.48 | frantik | cya |
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| 11:45.02 | jelly | dockimble: well, you haven't provided much data. Start with the basics: /msg dpkg wireless |
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| 11:50.02 | elsbroek | hi |
| 11:50.29 | elsbroek | i have a process comming from a died ssh seesion. can i somehow get it back to my current ssh session? |
| 11:50.46 | abrotman | !info retty lenny |
| 11:51.01 | abrotman | or next time, use screen |
| 11:51.12 | elsbroek | abrotman: i will...;) |
| 11:51.13 | elsbroek | !info retty lenny |
| 11:51.17 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 11:51.21 | abrotman | once is enough .. the bot is slow |
| 11:51.39 | elsbroek | abrotman: i thought he would answer in a query |
| 11:51.41 | elsbroek | thx |
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| 11:52.19 | gnarface | dockimble: 1) you should be hanging out in #debianppc because nobody here gives a shit about macs 2) your problem is probably just that you need to add contrib and non-free then install the linux firmware packages |
| 11:52.52 | abrotman | there are some x86 macs ... |
| 11:53.03 | gnarface | abrotman: don't confuse him more |
| 11:53.06 | abrotman | and i have a PPC mac, but i don't think all of the wifi cards need firmware |
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| 11:53.11 | kervizic | hello ! to access to network install I have to go through a VPN (openvpn) on the first installation CD it will allow me to configure my wireless card? |
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| 11:54.17 | gnarface | abrotman: not all of them do but MOST of the ppc ones (imac g3 for example) do because those all shipped with wep-only wifi, and the only way to get wep1 working (wep2 impossible) is with the firmware update |
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| 11:55.11 | gnarface | sorry |
| 11:55.12 | gnarface | drunk |
| 11:55.20 | gnarface | where i said wep1 i meant wpa1 |
| 11:55.20 | dav1d | loll |
| 11:55.26 | gnarface | where i said wep2 i meant wpa2 |
| 11:55.33 | gnarface | abrotman: ^^^ |
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| 11:56.30 | StuckMojo | so if i needed a kernel newer than .32, what are my options? |
| 11:56.55 | gnarface | ppc macs g4 and earlier mostly used 802.11b cards with pre-wpa firmware. the linux firmware packages allow wpa1 support. wpa2 suport requires newer hardware |
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| 11:58.48 | gnarface | StuckMojo: install kernel-package and learn to compile your own and build a package with it is a GOOD option but perhaps no the only one.... just a good one |
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| 11:59.16 | StuckMojo | gnarface: yeah i've done that. i used to run sid with vanilla kernels build with make-kpkg |
| 11:59.24 | StuckMojo | that's a pita maintenance wise |
| 12:00.12 | gnarface | StuckMojo: really could be worse. if you want it easier, just wait till a newer kernel makes it into the debian branch of your choise |
| 12:00.32 | gnarface | choice |
| 12:00.52 | StuckMojo | hmmm...looks like experimental has up to 2.6.35 kernels |
| 12:01.00 | abrotman | gnarface: maybe if you're drunk you shouldn't be helping people fix their computers |
| 12:01.25 | abrotman | gnarface: the airport card changed drastically over the years |
| 12:01.26 | gnarface | abrotman: contest my statements not my mental state. did i say anything you think is inaccurate? |
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| 12:01.40 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:02.05 | StuckMojo | crap. there's none for amd64 though |
| 12:02.11 | abrotman | StuckMojo: is there a source package? |
| 12:02.12 | gnarface | abrotman: wep1 didn't appear in g3 hardware/firmware AT ALL, you disagree? |
| 12:02.20 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 12:02.23 | abrotman | those cards could be changed out |
| 12:02.25 | StuckMojo | abrotman: oh, good point |
| 12:02.48 | abrotman | he never said which airport card he had |
| 12:02.50 | Jay2k1 | hi guys... i have a problem with samba and symlinks which are invisible from windows (they point to directories outside the samba share) |
| 12:02.59 | gnarface | abrotman: by that i meant wpa1. wpa1 did not exist at g3 era, do you disagree with the accuracy of that statement regardless of my drunkenensss? |
| 12:03.20 | abrotman | oh goodie .. an argumentative drunk! :) |
| 12:03.30 | abrotman | gnarface: which airport card does he have? |
| 12:03.49 | abrotman | i'm not arguing which pile of crap card that apple put in the stock config, but that doesn't mean he's using that one |
| 12:03.53 | chilli0 | Hello , I'm having some issues setting up Samba on a debian box ( cli) can anyone guide me hehe. I followed this. http://www.debianadmin.com/file-server-configuration-in-debian-using-samba.html |
| 12:03.55 | Jay2k1 | if i create a symlink which points to a subdirectory of the share, i can see it and access it from windows, but when it points outside, i can't see it from windows |
| 12:03.57 | chilli0 | But didn't help at all. |
| 12:04.05 | chilli0 | I would like to share a file to everyone and anyone. |
| 12:04.06 | abrotman | chilli0: need more info |
| 12:04.10 | chilli0 | Folder sorry* |
| 12:04.11 | gnarface | abrotman: if he has a g3, i can assume the OEM hardware he's using is wep only or he would have mentioned an add-on card. g3's didn't have expansion ports so.... |
| 12:04.19 | chilli0 | abrotman, What more would you like? |
| 12:04.51 | abrotman | chilli0: what about it doesn't work? |
| 12:04.53 | StuckMojo | Jay2k1: that's gonna be a samba config option then |
| 12:04.56 | abrotman | Jay2k1: hardlink perhaps? |
| 12:05.07 | abrotman | gnarface: but the card could be swapped out IIRC |
| 12:05.23 | Jay2k1 | this behaviour is default nowadays because of security reasons and is controlled with the "wide links" option for smb.conf |
| 12:05.27 | chilli0 | abrotman, Not working hehe sorry. It doesn't show the shares that I try'ed to share. It shows up SAMBA and Print ( I didn't even set thoes up) |
| 12:05.32 | Jay2k1 | but - i set "wide links = yes", thus allowing symlinks to point outside of the directories. still doesn't work though, and without the wide links option, you'd usually see the symlinks but get access denied error when trying to access them - i can't see them at all |
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| 12:05.58 | StuckMojo | Jay2k1: have you asked in #samba? |
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| 12:06.05 | Jay2k1 | hmm good point |
| 12:06.14 | StuckMojo | Jay2k1: seems like it wouldn't be specific to debian |
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| 12:06.16 | StuckMojo | Jay2k1: however... |
| 12:06.35 | StuckMojo | Jay2k1: you might look in README.Debian in share/doc/samba |
| 12:06.53 | gnarface | abrotman: you are right in every possible theoretial way with regards to my argument, i'm just certain that since he's asking about an imac g3 he hasn't modded shit since the very form factor resists it implicitly, and i happen to know a lot about that form factor - like the fact you couldn't add a 3rd party wifi card without cutting through the plastic enclosure to add your own expansion slot |
| 12:06.54 | StuckMojo | since debian is known to pick some strict-ish security options over defaults IME |
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| 12:08.46 | gnarface | abrotman: it's a safe assumption that anyone saying "imac g3" is using OEM, PRE-wpa 802.11b hardware |
| 12:09.03 | gnarface | but if i'm wrong, feel free to upbraid me |
| 12:09.08 | gnarface | if i'm not |
| 12:09.14 | gnarface | feel free to apologize |
| 12:09.20 | abrotman | for what? |
| 12:09.24 | gnarface | nevermind |
| 12:09.28 | gnarface | i'm over it |
| 12:09.33 | themill | gnarface: feel free to stop being an argumentative pita. |
| 12:09.35 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 12:10.01 | gnarface | how about we ask the subject more questions and find out whether i'm right or not? |
| 12:10.18 | gnarface | rather than attacking me for making assumptions YOU think are wrong |
| 12:10.39 | gnarface | *i'm* just trying to be helpful in the most efficient fashion |
| 12:10.44 | StuckMojo | gnarface: is this really worth arguing about? |
| 12:10.47 | gnarface | and i've installed debian on A LOT of macs |
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| 12:11.09 | themill | gnarface: please take it to a /msg. None of the rest of us care. |
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| 12:12.43 | StuckMojo | hmmm...can someone explain how linux-source-2.6.34 could be built from linux-2.6 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1) |
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| 12:13.30 | BlessJah | i've screwed up lenny->squeeze upgrade, but server worked fine (i've decided not to reboot until reinstall) |
| 12:13.39 | BlessJah | today i got ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 12:14.22 | BlessJah | my server is behind router, i have port redirecting, what does this msg mean? my server is dead? router is blocking me? my server is alive but sshd is dead? |
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| 12:16.30 | StuckMojo | would linux-source-2.6.34 include the .config that's used to build the debian kernel packages? |
| 12:16.52 | abrotman | you can use your current one |
| 12:16.53 | themill | BlessJah: denyhosts (or a bad /etc/hosts.deny) rule are the normal causes for that message |
| 12:17.02 | abrotman | should be pretty easy to check ifit's there |
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| 12:17.46 | BlessJah | themill: server wasnt rebooted (i hope), so changes in host.deny doesnt matters |
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| 12:18.30 | themill | BlessJah: that file is parsed at real-time by ssh for each incoming connection |
| 12:18.46 | BlessJah | themill: it wasnt changed |
| 12:18.48 | BlessJah | i'm sure |
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| 12:20.08 | BlessJah | i'm afraid someone has rebooted it so now sshd could be broken (after upgrade) |
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| 12:22.35 | manchot | anyone using dropbox in linux text mode? |
| 12:23.05 | manchot | why it's running like ten instances at the same time? |
| 12:24.38 | StuckMojo | abrotman: and just do a make oldconfig first i suppose |
| 12:24.44 | abrotman | you could do that |
| 12:24.54 | StuckMojo | wow...i just realized how long it's been since i built a kernel |
| 12:24.55 | StuckMojo | heh |
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| 12:25.00 | StuckMojo | a couple years i think |
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| 12:35.53 | manchot | daemon --user dropbox /bin/sh -c "/home/dropbox/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd&" |
| 12:35.53 | manchot | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.01 | manchot | which pkg has daemon command? |
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| 12:38.33 | io41 | manchot, daemon |
| 12:39.01 | manchot | io41, thank you. jus found it. |
| 12:39.10 | babilen | !tell manchot -about apt-file |
| 12:39.21 | babilen | manchot: If you ever have a problem like that again :) |
| 12:39.40 | manchot | babilen, it does help a lot |
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| 12:43.51 | ymas | hello everyone, I've set up a Virtual Debain amd64 server and am currently evaluating the dotDeb packages, was just wandering what people thought about them? |
| 12:44.18 | jordanm | !dotdeb |
| 12:44.18 | dpkg | well, dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 12:44.23 | StuckMojo | abrotman: turns out drbd is in -bpo.5 |
| 12:44.30 | StuckMojo | so i'm all good |
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| 12:44.39 | jelly | not stuck any more? |
| 12:44.50 | o2T7 | Any ideas for installing Debian in a laptop with a broken display? |
| 12:44.51 | abrotman | StuckMojo: congrats |
| 12:44.57 | abrotman | o2T7: /msg dpkg ssh install |
| 12:45.08 | o2T7 | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:45.20 | jelly | o2T7: hooking it up to an external monitor seems like an obvious method |
| 12:45.21 | StuckMojo | abrotman: yeah i went looking at bugs in the source package, and the maintainer is slacking on removing the -source package |
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| 12:46.00 | ymas | jodanm: Thanks for the info. Apologies if I've asked an irrelevant question. |
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| 12:50.04 | wooden | anyone got valve's alien swarm running under debian? |
| 12:50.11 | o2T7 | jelly: It doesn't output anything on any external monitors. Don't know if it is a hardware problem, but it looks like it is booting anyway. Just to try. |
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| 12:51.27 | jelly | o2T7: there might be a Fn+Function-key combo to enable external output |
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| 13:01.00 | o2T7 | jelly: mmm, no luck, now it looks like it is dead. |
| 13:02.28 | aguitel | are protocol msn working ? |
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| 13:05.21 | Texou | hi |
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| 16:30.37 | fxiny | SparFux: i'm not madduck |
| 16:30.43 | SparFux | fxiny: ok. |
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| 16:31.28 | fxiny | SparFux: i don't shave yaks ;P |
| 16:31.50 | SparFux | I don't have any problems with a filename. |
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| 16:33.07 | eztop | hello, i had help here last night getting google earth to work.... but, when i rebooted, it's no longer working...any ideas? |
| 16:33.11 | dondelelcaro | datacrusher: it may help to have -input-charset UTF-8 and -output-charset UTF-8; but I'm not sure if that's strictly necessary |
| 16:33.30 | fxiny | SparFux: yes but luks pass is the same as your usb pass |
| 16:33.32 | dondelelcaro | datacrusher: I assume your filenames are encoded using utf8 |
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| 16:33.52 | apt | ~pong |
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| 16:34.02 | SparFux | fxiny: no. it's not. |
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| 16:34.29 | SparFux | fxiny: you have several files like /etc/keys/backup.luks and then in cryptotap you name that files for a passphrase. |
| 16:34.33 | eztop | http://pastebin.com/XQtwsWGn |
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| 16:35.18 | fxiny | SparFux: ohh yes , that's right |
| 16:35.25 | SparFux | fxiny: :-) |
| 16:36.43 | fxiny | SparFux: so you plug , read some ID or some pam thing which should be better , you backup automagically . i see , it makes sense |
| 16:37.07 | SparFux | fxiny: pam? like pluggable auth module? |
| 16:37.42 | fxiny | yes |
| 16:38.16 | fxiny | SparFux: back in woody time there was something about pam and a floppy , i'm googling . |
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| 16:39.19 | SparFux | fxiny: I think the clean way would be to use HAL or DeviceKit in the first place and if there are auth questions then use pam, too. |
| 16:40.02 | datacrusher | dondelelcaro, i just went dpkg-reconfigure to my locales, i got 2 different, i just selected pt_br.uft8 only, hope this fixes |
| 16:40.09 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 16:40.20 | datacrusher | ill just run the backup script again |
| 16:42.03 | fxiny | SparFux: don't remember , it was pam but i put it in a floppy , still googling |
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| 16:42.41 | fxiny | SparFux: pam_usb ? could be |
| 16:42.51 | SparFux | I don't know. |
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| 16:44.15 | fxiny | SparFux: yes , i see the author name , is pam_usb |
| 16:44.57 | SparFux | fxiny: Ah!!! I get what you mean. |
| 16:45.10 | SparFux | fxiny: Like, to even authorize via usb stick :-) |
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| 16:45.53 | fxiny | SparFux: long time . i made a floppy with that thing , i had no usb |
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| 16:46.19 | SparFux | fxiny: I think every usb stick has a unique dev id. that's cool to use to auth :-) |
| 16:46.29 | fxiny | SparFux: i love pam |
| 16:46.43 | SparFux | fxiny: pam is one cool component in the whole system. so is hal / devkit |
| 16:46.53 | fxiny | and i don't like daemons drilling in my back yard |
| 16:47.13 | SparFux | fxiny: some things are better handled by daemons. |
| 16:47.16 | fxiny | hal is not cool at all . someone hates it |
| 16:47.37 | fxiny | SparFux: desktop daemons are a plague |
| 16:47.47 | SparFux | fxiny: ok, udev is quite a cool straightforard way to initiate some backup or mounting luks on usb plug in. |
| 16:48.08 | SparFux | fxiny: jackd , pulseaudio and so such are cool things! |
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| 16:49.23 | fxiny | SparFux: i don't like desktop env installing daemons |
| 16:50.15 | SparFux | fxiny: it is a mess. |
| 16:50.36 | fxiny | SparFux: it will end in a mess like emacs , and i am an emacs user :=) |
| 16:51.39 | SparFux | emacs is cool I think. |
| 16:52.38 | homie | what's the use of consolekit actually ?' |
| 16:53.00 | fxiny | SparFux: and , i have no more brain cells for storing new apps name . i would like some naming scheme like : artichoke audio player , blue-carrot movie player and so on |
| 16:53.05 | homie | it gets installed as dep of something and runs in the background, forking thousands of threads |
| 16:53.10 | homie | is that necessary ? |
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| 16:53.32 | fxiny | SparFux: only mutt can stay as mutt ;) |
| 16:53.59 | SparFux | fxiny: You use muttt? |
| 16:54.14 | fxiny | SparFux: first app i configured |
| 16:54.14 | SparFux | fxiny: You seem to have the same application use profile than me :-) |
| 16:54.23 | SparFux | fxiny: xmonad? |
| 16:54.27 | fxiny | SparFux: yes ! |
| 16:54.32 | datacrusher | iv followed the debian wiki to install up compiz. but im noticing its quite heavy on my mahcine. how do i remove it? theres nothing about removint it on the wiki, and iv echoed something i dont know how to rollback |
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| 16:54.37 | SparFux | fxiny: Y es you told about xmonad. |
| 16:54.41 | SparFux | fxiny: pidign? ;-) |
| 16:55.32 | fxiny | SparFux: no pidgin but irssi to bitlbee buzziing in a vserver |
| 16:56.02 | datacrusher | !compiz |
| 16:56.02 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:56.59 | SparFux | fxiny: so that's a difference. |
| 16:57.22 | fxiny | SparFux: but i don't use bitlbee anymore |
| 16:57.33 | fxiny | nor a vserver |
| 16:57.42 | jordanm | datacrusher: just removed the packages you installed in the proccess |
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| 16:58.52 | fxiny | SparFux: i like anything complicated enough to be typed in a term . i can spend a month in such a love affaire |
| 16:59.03 | fxiny | then i cheat :P |
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| 16:59.46 | SparFux | fxiny: do you know storebackup.pl by any chance? |
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| 17:01.01 | fxiny | SparFux: my swish-e search engine said yes |
| 17:01.15 | SparFux | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.38 | SparFux | I like the concept of having hard linked incremental backups. it's the best use of hardlinks I have ever seen. |
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| 17:02.27 | SparFux | second best is cp -al of linux kernel tree and change files by first moving them and copying back to have an easy and space saving means to make kernel tree diffs. |
| 17:02.30 | fxiny | SparFux: i prefere rsync and rdiff-backup , tar-incremental , dump , and some little thing like backup2l |
| 17:02.51 | fxiny | tar-incremental is nice++ |
| 17:03.55 | fxiny | SparFux: restoring is the problem : should be intuitive and quick |
| 17:04.04 | SparFux | fxiny: it is! |
| 17:04.21 | SparFux | fxiny: nothing more intuitive, just bunzip and cp! |
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| 17:13.07 | fxiny | SparFux: no . backing up is deeper , i'm thinking at checking backup integrity via cron , it all depends on how many backup copies i can store |
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| 17:14.15 | fxiny | and i should store only one , using my head to make sure one is enough |
| 17:14.48 | fxiny | more then two is another job : printing monye ;P |
| 17:14.51 | petemc | lots of the hardlink backup apps do integrity checking |
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| 17:15.08 | fxiny | petemc: yes ? i'll look into it , tx |
| 17:15.29 | SparFux | fxiny: on every run, storebackup checks backup integrity by simply comparing md5. |
| 17:15.40 | Pinchiukas | If php calls some function in a package that's not installed, what happens? |
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| 17:16.34 | fxiny | i have in my head the need of having at home a better sun , i already have a faster unix |
| 17:16.50 | jordanm | Pinchiukas: I would ask #php, but it likely depends. a feature may not work or the entire application could crash (my speculation) |
| 17:16.53 | fxiny | i don't want a better looking mac or windows |
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| 17:17.43 | fxiny | so i play with the thousand of apps debian provides me |
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| 17:25.12 | fxiny | SparFux: i want something else : the app shouldn't stop after creating the backup copy , it should keep on checking file/backup integrity (for example like aide does for regular files) and create a new copy in case something went wrong . |
| 17:25.39 | SparFux | fxiny: I see. |
| 17:25.40 | fxiny | because hardware < then software , always |
| 17:26.13 | SparFux | fxiny: but that's basically the same action like creating another incremental ackup in storbackup. |
| 17:27.11 | fxiny | who check the second copy ? me ? when opening the file ? |
| 17:27.22 | fxiny | too late |
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| 17:28.18 | fxiny | SparFux: file a backed up one time as file b , file b is rotten ? do a new copy |
| 17:28.41 | SparFux | fxiny: I get it. don't know wether storebackup can do this. |
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| 17:29.38 | exaboy | hey guys i have a challenge for you. Im being hosted on a VPS (Virtuozzo/OpenVZ) and the host computer controls the datetime (setting date doesnt work) however i can set the timezone. so the challenge is changing the time. |
| 17:30.12 | jelly | exaboy: ask the provider to fix their darn clock. |
| 17:30.34 | exaboy | its not their problem mate. they set the time to be GMT |
| 17:30.45 | jelly | exaboy: ok. So what's the issue? |
| 17:31.09 | exaboy | i need the time to be reflective of the timezone |
| 17:31.24 | jordanm | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? |
| 17:31.26 | jelly | exaboy: is it not? |
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| 17:31.39 | orangey | hello all |
| 17:31.45 | jelly | exaboy: does "TZ=yourzone date" display wrong time? |
| 17:31.51 | orangey | I am trying to use sip via openVPN, but I think I have a firewall problem |
| 17:32.23 | orangey | how do I ensure all the ports are permitted and all that? I don't have a firewall in place |
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| 17:32.34 | orangey | at least not shorewall or guard dog or anything else I can see |
| 17:32.44 | exaboy | i can use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? to set timezone no worry. but it remains GMT |
| 17:32.46 | jordanm | orangey: iptables -L |
| 17:33.19 | dondelelcaro | exaboy: does date -u; report the proper time in UTC? |
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| 17:33.36 | exaboy | let me check |
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| 17:34.28 | exaboy | otb1:~# date = Fri Jul 30 17:32:36 EST 2010 |
| 17:34.28 | exaboy | otb1:~# date -u = Fri Jul 30 07:32:40 UTC 2010 |
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| 17:35.26 | exaboy | current time in australia (EST) is about 3am? |
| 17:35.36 | exaboy | so the time is well off |
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| 17:35.59 | jelly | exaboy: it is _not_ Fri Jul 30 07:32:40 UTC 2010 now. Rather, it ought to be something like 17:32 UTC (well, 17:35) |
| 17:36.10 | dondelelcaro | exaboy: what does hwclock --utc; report? |
| 17:36.12 | jordanm | exaboy: EST is UTC -5, in the U.S |
| 17:36.33 | exaboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.33 | exaboy | hwclock is unable to get I/O port access: the iopl(3) call failed. |
| 17:36.33 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: EST is an abbreviation used by many timezones, unfortunatly. |
| 17:36.39 | jordanm | unless there is more than one time zone "EST" |
| 17:36.43 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: ah, ok |
| 17:36.45 | orangey | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/9jabhSHN |
| 17:36.58 | orangey | jordanm: the extra rules in there I put in to attempt to open up the ports or whatnot |
| 17:37.05 | dondelelcaro | exaboy: and hwclock --directisa --utc; fails as well? |
| 17:37.07 | jordanm | orangey: you accept everything |
| 17:37.13 | orangey | to restate, I have PDA -> openvpn -> SIP server |
| 17:37.23 | orangey | SIP works PDA -> internet -> SIP server |
| 17:37.26 | orangey | but not via openvpn |
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| 17:37.29 | exaboy | hwclock --directisa --utc; |
| 17:37.29 | exaboy | hwclock is unable to get I/O port access: the iopl(3) call failed. |
| 17:37.38 | jordanm | orangey: without a deny rule or a deny default policy, those accept rules do not really do anything |
| 17:37.40 | orangey | however, everything else works. i.e., skype, etc |
| 17:37.51 | orangey | jordanm: so it's not an iptables issue? |
| 17:37.55 | jordanm | orangey: meaning they would be accepted even without them |
| 17:37.57 | jordanm | orangey: right |
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| 17:38.03 | orangey | jordanm: the next question is what could it be? |
| 17:38.04 | dondelelcaro | exaboy: anyway, your problem is most likely the wrong setting in /etc/default/rcS for UTC; you want UTC=yes, and you probably have UTC=no |
| 17:38.13 | orangey | jordanm: especially if other protocols work |
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| 17:38.46 | exaboy | ok ive change that dondelelcaro |
| 17:38.57 | orangey | jordanm: and this is also with me trying sip via several different providers |
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| 17:39.18 | jordanm | I am familar with openvpn, but not sip at all |
| 17:39.24 | jordanm | I won't be of much help |
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| 17:39.37 | jelly | exaboy: if what date -u says is correct, the host has time set wrong. Since there's only one kernel, I'm not even sure what the bootup process does in openvz/virtuozzo environment |
| 17:39.40 | dondelelcaro | exaboy: presumably if you restart, it should start working again |
| 17:39.57 | exaboy | ok ill try a reboot |
| 17:40.01 | au | Hello. What is the cyrus-sasl-plain package called on Debian? |
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| 17:40.13 | exaboy | using the m$ solution to all problems ;) |
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| 17:41.23 | jelly | au: could be libsasl2-modules, could be sasl2-bin; what is the actual functionality you're after? do you have a filename or path perhaps? |
| 17:41.26 | exaboy | you would think these genius VPS framework developers would think of this crap huh. why not implement a layer between the VM and the kernel for things like this. |
| 17:42.00 | dondelelcaro | exaboy: one isn't needed; you just have to not screw up how you've configured the OS |
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| 17:42.25 | au | jelly: it's just a mail server guide that I followed, it works fine on a centos sytem of mine, I would like to implement it on a debian based system of mine |
| 17:42.26 | jordanm | exaboy: a bit more is "shared" with the host using openvz than say, xen |
| 17:42.27 | jelly | exaboy: openvz is a glorified chroot. your ability to affect hardware and kernel settings will be limited |
| 17:42.29 | au | jelly: one moment |
| 17:42.36 | jelly | !wayttd au |
| 17:42.36 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, au? |
| 17:43.08 | jelly | au: perhaps if you explained your goal better suggestions might be proposed |
| 17:44.24 | au | I am trying to find what cyrus sasl plain login module (package) is called on debian |
| 17:45.05 | jelly | au: and what are you going to with it when you find it? |
| 17:45.14 | au | install it via apt-get |
| 17:45.19 | jelly | au: to what purpose? |
| 17:45.21 | jordanm | ... |
| 17:45.33 | jelly | au: what's your ultimate goal here? |
| 17:45.48 | jordanm | (meaning leave out implementation details) |
| 17:45.55 | au | It's for my mail server, I just want to know the package name lol |
| 17:47.15 | au | nevermind, found it |
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| 17:50.49 | noahir | Hi i cant wget or apt-get file to one box (debian 4.0) but i can upload files via sftp...anyone know where could be problem ? |
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| 17:51.37 | abrotman | 4.0? really? |
| 17:52.20 | noahir | yea |
| 17:52.42 | noahir | 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:52.48 | jordanm | well, that lacks quite a bit of security updates, aside from the entire major version no longer being supported |
| 17:53.29 | noahir | but i cant wget too :< |
| 17:53.32 | exaboy | after reboot timezone settings is correct but time is wrong |
| 17:53.52 | exaboy | otb1:~# date -u = Fri Jul 30 07:51:02 UTC 2010 |
| 17:53.52 | exaboy | otb1:~# date = Fri Jul 30 17:52:04 EST 2010 |
| 17:54.01 | exaboy | what a load of crap. |
| 17:54.03 | jordanm | exaboy: ntp -q? |
| 17:54.43 | exaboy | command not found? |
| 17:54.49 | abrotman | install ntp |
| 17:55.12 | exaboy | i just did, that command doesnt work |
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| 17:56.05 | exaboy | ntpd -q returns nothign though :P |
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| 17:57.05 | fxiny | UTC and EST ? , wasn't UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 17:57.18 | exaboy | yes |
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| 17:57.50 | exaboy | UTC=no |
| 17:58.03 | exaboy | should i try setting timezone again |
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| 17:58.35 | exaboy | otb1:~# dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 17:58.35 | exaboy | Current default timezone: 'Australia/Sydney' |
| 17:58.35 | exaboy | Local time is now: Fri Jul 30 17:56:50 EST 2010. |
| 17:58.35 | exaboy | Universal Time is now: Fri Jul 30 07:56:50 UTC 2010. |
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| 17:58.43 | exaboy | ffs! |
| 17:58.51 | jordanm | !paste |
| 17:58.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:58.56 | abrotman | exaboy: it should be set to 'no', and then you use ntp to alter the time |
| 17:59.08 | exaboy | it is set to 'no'. |
| 17:59.09 | abrotman | exaboy: and make sure your hw clock is correct too |
| 17:59.24 | exaboy | otb1:~# dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 17:59.24 | exaboy | Current default timezone: 'Australia/Sydney' |
| 17:59.30 | exaboy | Local time is now: Fri Jul 30 17:56:50 EST 2010. |
| 17:59.30 | exaboy | Universal Time is now: Fri Jul 30 07:56:50 UTC 2010. |
| 17:59.34 | abrotman | is that where you are ? |
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| 17:59.59 | abrotman | is Sydney +12 from UTC ? |
| 18:00.02 | exaboy | server is in Texas, im in UK, desired timezone is AU |
| 18:00.08 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:00.09 | exaboy | Sydney is +11GMT |
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| 18:00.48 | exaboy | its totally screwed. they need to patch this crap. |
| 18:01.15 | puty | hi. some good program for ip spoofing?thanks |
| 18:01.16 | abrotman | exaboy: time from "hwclock" ? |
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| 18:01.30 | exaboy | otb1:~# hwclock |
| 18:01.30 | exaboy | hwclock is unable to get I/O port access: the iopl(3) call failed. |
| 18:01.38 | abrotman | really? |
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| 18:01.57 | exaboy | yeah you might not be aware of this conversation in full but im on a VPS |
| 18:02.05 | abrotman | makes more sense then ... |
| 18:02.17 | exaboy | yeah pain in the but |
| 18:02.30 | abrotman | so you can't fix the hwclock anyways? |
| 18:03.09 | exaboy | nope can do anything. the poor host is clueless also. i might raise an issue with the OPENvs people |
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| 18:04.31 | abrotman | but you just want the time to be equivalent to .au time? |
| 18:04.34 | exaboy | good thing is that my host is happy to apply patches to their software if i find something |
| 18:04.40 | noahir | error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 18:04.46 | noahir | that means i dont have g++ ? |
| 18:04.49 | fxiny | reading from an old factoid -> hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again |
| 18:05.15 | exaboy | yeah my server is to host an australian website so i want it to be localtime because it makes cron and my java app and php easier to schedule |
| 18:05.32 | exaboy | fxiny you talking to me? |
| 18:05.54 | exaboy | otb1:~# hwclock --systohc --utc |
| 18:05.55 | exaboy | hwclock is unable to get I/O port access: the iopl(3) call failed. |
| 18:05.55 | fxiny | exaboy: yes , but lemme see if i get the factoid name right , first |
| 18:06.00 | fxiny | !setting time |
| 18:06.01 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 18:06.02 | exaboy | all these commands fail. |
| 18:06.12 | fxiny | has changed |
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| 18:07.41 | SparFux | fxiny: check out THIS daemon: http://netconf.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 18:08.38 | themill | exaboy: not entirely relevant to your troubles, but Sydney is UTC+10 not UTC+11 (it's not daylight saving time there) |
| 18:09.06 | noahir | how i can install g++ ? |
| 18:09.12 | exaboy | GMT +10 |
| 18:09.13 | noahir | old deb :X |
| 18:09.17 | jelly-home | themill: their time goes backwards so +10 _is_ daylight saving! |
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| 18:09.45 | exaboy | regardless the fkn time dosent change :P |
| 18:09.48 | kornerr | hi |
| 18:09.48 | exaboy | :P |
| 18:09.58 | kornerr | I can't install nvidia kernel module on lenny 5.0.0 |
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| 18:10.02 | kornerr | 32-bit |
| 18:10.07 | fxiny | SparFux: it looks very interesting and smart |
| 18:10.26 | kornerr | my kernel is 2.6.26-1-686, but kernel drivers are of 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:10.42 | abrotman | don't use the -1- |
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| 18:10.58 | jordanm | noahir: aptitude search 'g\+\+' |
| 18:11.01 | abrotman | kornerr: make sure your `linux-image-686` is installed and up to date |
| 18:11.06 | abrotman | !b-e noahir |
| 18:11.06 | dpkg | noahir: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 18:11.11 | noahir | jordanm: i cant use aptitude |
| 18:11.14 | noahir | ;0 |
| 18:11.19 | jordanm | noahir: why is that? |
| 18:11.21 | abrotman | why can't you use aptitude? |
| 18:11.27 | noahir | no mirror for me |
| 18:11.33 | fxiny | SparFux: i like this kind of approach since i moved from euristic spam asassing to bogofilter |
| 18:11.36 | kornerr | abrotman: how? |
| 18:11.37 | jordanm | noahir: add one? |
| 18:11.38 | abrotman | i don't know what that has to dow with it |
| 18:11.47 | abrotman | kornerr: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 18:12.18 | SparFux | fxiny: this guy describes exactly the things that bothered me when doing some more versatile network setup on my netbook. |
| 18:12.44 | fxiny | SparFux: that guy is a well know guy ;) |
| 18:12.49 | fxiny | known* |
| 18:13.38 | themill | exaboy: why are you wanting to set UTC=no anyway? The only use for that I've ever come across is dual booting, and that doesn't sound relevant to a VPS |
| 18:14.25 | kornerr | abrotman: I did install it, rebooted and still 1-686 |
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| 18:14.30 | fxiny | SparFux: hackers know where the problems are , for user like us is only a matter of waiting |
| 18:14.36 | noahir | jordanm: i cant apt just got stuck |
| 18:14.39 | noahir | at 0% |
| 18:14.43 | exaboy | themill because someone advised me to do so |
| 18:14.46 | SparFux | fxiny: the old means configuring network suck when it comes to "if no wlan connection roam until at least one is found in a guessnet-like manner checking for special ip/mac and know which nameservers to use for each net and then choose one to connect to from this priority list and if cable is connected configure cable connection to bond device and do load balancing" |
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| 18:15.28 | themill | exaboy: a VPS will most likely be using the host kernel and it will most likely have UTC=yes. (And the "local time" you posted earlier was in fact UTC) |
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| 18:15.50 | jelly-home | themill: I thought he's just trying to set his time straight any way possible |
| 18:15.57 | exaboy | yup im aware of that. |
| 18:15.59 | derik | who know what is this screen http://www.installationwiki.org/Image:1-904811-85-X_04_23.png ? |
| 18:16.06 | exaboy | i should be able to set the time though |
| 18:16.09 | derik | what soft |
| 18:16.15 | jelly-home | exaboy: didn't they advise you to do UTC=yes though |
| 18:16.23 | jordanm | noahir: when you did what? |
| 18:16.42 | exaboy | whats teh point of being able to set the timezone when the damn time doesnt change. thats useless. |
| 18:16.58 | jelly-home | exaboy: the actual time has to be correct in the first place.\ |
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| 18:17.11 | jelly-home | exaboy: timezone is just a cosmetic setting |
| 18:17.21 | exaboy | the time is correct to where the server is. |
| 18:17.36 | exaboy | server is in Texas |
| 18:17.37 | fxiny | SparFux: nameservers ? btw have you ever tryed pdns-recursor ? hahah , check what that little monster does , and how useless makes your isp nameserver :) |
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| 18:18.07 | jelly-home | exaboy: it's not, else it would be correct no matter the time zone specified. |
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| 18:18.31 | jelly-home | exaboy: TZ=UTC date ought to show something like 18:18 right now. |
| 18:18.46 | exaboy | i have submitted a thread on the OpenVZ forum, hopefully someone there has a freakin clue. |
| 18:18.54 | exaboy | ill check |
| 18:19.05 | jelly-home | exaboy: if it's not -> tell the provider to set their darn clock straight. |
| 18:19.25 | exaboy | otb1:~# date -u = |
| 18:19.25 | exaboy | Fri Jul 30 08:17:32 UTC 2010 |
| 18:19.25 | exaboy | otb1:~# date = Fri Jul 30 18:17:37 EST 2010 |
| 18:19.29 | exaboy | thats correct. |
| 18:19.42 | jelly-home | exaboy: nope, it's not. |
| 18:19.59 | jelly-home | exaboy: late by 10 hours. |
| 18:20.18 | exaboy | what is late? the EST time? |
| 18:20.25 | jelly-home | exaboy: both. |
| 18:20.35 | SparFux | fxiny: anyway I would want to have the freedom to configure arbitrary nameservers whenever I want to. |
| 18:20.39 | jelly-home | exaboy: they show the same time, both 10 hours late. |
| 18:20.45 | SparFux | fxiny: depending on cable connect and network and...... |
| 18:21.38 | exaboy | UTC is that not GMT-1? |
| 18:21.45 | simonrvn | no |
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| 18:21.58 | simonrvn | UTC ~= GMT |
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| 18:22.06 | jelly-home | exaboy: UTC is GMT (for this exercise) |
| 18:22.10 | simonrvn | (equivalent) |
| 18:22.11 | fxiny | SparFux: arbitrary in the unpredictable sense ? check pdns-recursor ... |
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| 18:22.18 | SparFux | fxiny: I am using dnsmasq though. |
| 18:22.23 | exaboy | yeah so its off by an hour |
| 18:22.27 | SparFux | fxiny: I checked, nice thing. |
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| 18:22.41 | simonrvn | vendredi 30 juillet 2010, 18:22:34 (UTC+0000) |
| 18:22.44 | exaboy | im in UK, its 19:22 here |
| 18:22.48 | jelly-home | exaboy: it's off by ten hours. It's 18:22 UTC now. |
| 18:22.51 | fxiny | SparFux: atm i'm on dnsmasq but the other one is much better |
| 18:22.52 | themill | exaboy: and you're in UTC+1 |
| 18:23.05 | SparFux | fxiny: yes, seems so. |
| 18:23.06 | themill | it's off by exactly the TZ you're trying to apply |
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| 18:23.25 | themill | that is, you should have UTC=yes and then make sure that the system understand that to be the case |
| 18:23.27 | exaboy | type o its 19:23 here |
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| 18:23.30 | noahir | anyone is using bitchx ? |
| 18:23.49 | jelly-home | exaboy: changing the TZ does _not_ change the clock value. It merely changes what's displayed. |
| 18:23.49 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:23.52 | exaboy | ok so i set UTC=yes and im back to square one |
| 18:23.53 | fxiny | SparFux: i laughed loud founding the nasa on the list ! |
| 18:23.54 | kornerr | so |
| 18:24.00 | fxiny | finding* |
| 18:24.05 | SparFux | hehe |
| 18:24.06 | jordanm | !tell noahir about bitchx |
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| 18:24.10 | kornerr | how can I updated my lenny 32-bit 5.0 to use the latest kernel for it? |
| 18:24.11 | jordanm | noahir: I hope not |
| 18:24.17 | kornerr | 2.6.26-2-686 namely |
| 18:24.31 | exaboy | jelly-home: im aware of that, hense im bitchin about it in here ;) |
| 18:24.33 | noahir | jordanm: what about it ? |
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| 18:24.41 | maligor | isn't the most popular terminal irc client irssi now |
| 18:24.42 | jelly-home | (I bet changing UTC in /e/d/rcS won't make things any worse or better and won't change a thing inside an openvz container) |
| 18:24.45 | fxiny | SparFux: we have an isp here , in banana land well know for some spying activities ... |
| 18:24.48 | noahir | ah |
| 18:24.48 | noahir | see |
| 18:24.51 | jordanm | noahir: it was abondoned with major security flaws. see the pm from dpkg |
| 18:24.52 | jelly-home | exaboy: don't bitch here, bitch to your provider. |
| 18:25.02 | noahir | hidden pm |
| 18:25.03 | noahir | nvm |
| 18:25.05 | SparFux | fxiny: they are spying on you via dns everywhere I think. |
| 18:25.35 | eztop | http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Fatal+error+in+__driConfigOptions+line+1%2C+column+0%3A+unknown+encoding.&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=2b4bfbcf9a7542c |
| 18:25.53 | noahir | jordanm: any advice for irc cli client which dont need to be installed ? |
| 18:25.54 | exaboy | #openvz |
| 18:25.58 | eztop | http://pastebin.com/XQtwsWGn |
| 18:25.59 | jelly-home | exaboy: the host system is probably the one that needs fixing. |
| 18:26.06 | Drakeson | What does property a package has to have to allow a user (without root priviliges), to "dpkg --extract $PACKAGE $HOME", and be able to use it properly? |
| 18:26.09 | eztop | google earth sucks! |
| 18:26.15 | fxiny | SparFux: thet are smarter but iof course the easiest and less illegal way is to monitor is collecting dns queries |
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| 18:26.24 | eztop | is this the worst application in linux? |
| 18:26.27 | jelly-home | Drakeson: what are you triyng to do? |
| 18:26.44 | Drakeson | install packages locally. |
| 18:26.57 | jelly-home | Drakeson: there's no general solution to that. |
| 18:26.58 | fxiny | SparFux: too many typos . i need some rest ;) |
| 18:27.09 | SparFux | fxiny: ok. |
| 18:27.09 | Drakeson | jelly-home: I know there is no |
| 18:27.13 | Drakeson | oops! |
| 18:27.35 | Drakeson | jelly-home: I know there is no "solution", but at least one might be able to find packages that allow that. |
| 18:27.37 | fxiny | SparFux: i'm here anyway |
| 18:27.59 | jelly-home | Drakeson: you'll have to limit the dependencies as much as possible. You might as well build statically linked binaries on another machine and forget about packages. |
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| 18:28.28 | Drakeson | some packages really do. (well, after setting PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, MANPATH, etc.) |
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| 18:29.00 | nickaugust | in a dual monitor setup is it possible to have one monitor on a TTY console and one on a different TTY running X? |
| 18:29.05 | jelly-home | Drakeson: do you have an actual example (trying to run Foo version XIV.VII on Debian lenny without root)? |
| 18:29.07 | Drakeson | jelly-home: I (and probably many others) do all that now. I am looking for a better partial solution |
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| 18:29.47 | jelly-home | Drakeson: better solution -- talk to your admin and let them install the software needed for your work/schooling/whatever. |
| 18:30.00 | Drakeson | jelly-home: I did this once, I cannot remember. let me try the poor machine and see if I can find out. |
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| 18:30.59 | Drakeson | jelly-home: I know, I know. But I have concluded that being able to install some packages locally totally makes sense. |
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| 18:31.07 | nickaugust | ... or just two seperate tty consoles? |
| 18:31.14 | Drakeson | e.g., assume that FOO-dev is not installed ... |
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| 18:31.25 | Drakeson | (when FOO is installed, that is) |
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| 18:31.39 | jelly-home | sounds like your admins are not doing their work. |
| 18:31.50 | nsadmin | the general solution is... |
| 18:31.55 | nsadmin | get your own machine |
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| 18:32.10 | h1gh | Drakeson: See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klik_(packaging_method) |
| 18:32.13 | jelly-home | Drakeson: a similar approach is being used on windows where people are making "portable openoffice", "portable firefox", etc. |
| 18:32.38 | jelly-home | selfcontained apps run off usb stick |
| 18:32.38 | fxiny | portable viruses ... |
| 18:32.40 | Drakeson | h1gh: I have looked at several solutions. I need something that blends nicely in debian. |
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| 18:33.32 | kornerr | ok |
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| 18:33.45 | Alver | Hello. I'm trying to install debian onto a HP DV7 laptop using the firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso. It fails to enable network, asking for firmware rtl8168d-2.fw. Where can I find this? |
| 18:33.47 | kornerr | I had to install linux-image-2.6-686, not just 686 |
| 18:33.50 | Alver | Google doesn't show much. |
| 18:33.57 | jelly-home | potable water |
| 18:34.25 | abrotman | kornerr: the package i told you shuld have included the one you installed, but i guess the end result is the same |
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| 18:34.44 | Drakeson | I know that many packages make assumptions about where they are going to get installed. some don't. it would be great to 1. find the "relocatable" ones. 2. gradually hopefully theoretically improve dh_* to let more packages be "relocatable". |
| 18:35.10 | project2501a | happy sysadmin day! |
| 18:35.28 | project2501a | treat your sysadmin well, ask him for debian! |
| 18:36.11 | jelly-home | Drakeson: you're trying to find a technical solution for a political problem |
| 18:36.39 | pallgone | it's amazing how good linux has become... |
| 18:36.54 | Drakeson | jelly-home: It didn't occur to me that it might have a polotical aspect. could you please give me a hint |
| 18:37.27 | jelly-home | Drakeson: talk to your admin and let them install the software needed for your work/schooling/whatever. |
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| 18:40.15 | h1gh | Drakeson: Most linux distros (and packes) follow FHS http://bit.ly/7L7mN See: http://bit.ly/drrEFH |
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| 18:40.32 | h1gh | Drakeson: and so the places to put the files require root access to write to them. |
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| 18:42.02 | thewanderer1 | Drakeson: several Linux distributions have means of running software as non-root users: see Click-n-Run for a practical example |
| 18:42.40 | Drakeson | h1gh: true, but you can install things locally. Especially when you are developing stuff. |
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| 18:43.11 | abrotman | Drakeson: that doens't mean your binary package is giong to look for them .. there is no good solution for what you're trying to do |
| 18:43.15 | jordanm | Drakeson: what about a local compile with --prefix=/home/$user/local-install? |
| 18:43.17 | abrotman | not as a user anyways |
| 18:43.26 | eztop | no one interested in helping? help??? :( |
| 18:44.22 | Drakeson | an example that I mentioned above is *-dev packages. you might need to compile something against a library that is already installed (say libwebkit). compiling webkit just to get the header files is painful. |
| 18:44.42 | LemensTS | going through a proxy would make your bandwidth as slow as the proxy bandwidth correct? (ex: u have 5mb download speed, proxy has 1mb...going thru proxy you would download at 1mb maximum) |
| 18:45.07 | thewanderer1 | LemensTS: yes, add the encapsulation overhead if applicable |
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| 18:45.34 | nsadmin | Drakeson: so what's wrong with getting your own machine? |
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| 18:47.20 | Drakeson | nsadmin: I have my own machines. I also have several chroots *almost* cloning the machine(s) I want to develop for. That is a bit cumbersome, though. |
| 18:47.51 | fxiny | no vservers ? |
| 18:47.58 | Drakeson | and I don't advocate installing *-dev for any library (like some other distros end up doing) |
| 18:48.32 | nsadmin | advocate? so this is about your message to someone else? |
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| 18:50.18 | nsadmin | the libs were split into runtime and -dev parts (among others) to save disk space |
| 18:50.58 | nsadmin | if you didn't need to build something against a particular lib that you needed to run something, you could save some space |
| 18:51.07 | jelly-home | Drakeson: chroots seem to be the build environment du jour |
| 18:51.09 | Drakeson | I know, that's why I don't "advocate" installing -dev's by default. |
| 18:51.22 | jelly-home | or du decade |
| 18:51.47 | nsadmin | if you -do- need to build against a lib, that would be why you would install the -dev part |
| 18:52.39 | nsadmin | if it's a package you're building, you can have its build requirements installed in one shot |
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| 18:55.36 | Drakeson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.36 | jelly-home | there are zillions of build-chroot generating scripts, all alike |
| 18:55.53 | thewanderer1 | either that, or get a VPS |
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| 18:57.24 | LemensTS | mail -s "blah" email@here.com <enter> body CTL D CTL D ......... does not deliver to me, and nothing in /var/log/mail.* nor /var/spool/mail/user |
| 18:58.08 | LemensTS | but i have a program (asterisk and also rsnapshot) that logs in /var/spool/mail/user but i dont recieve the message....but at least it logs it |
| 18:58.10 | Drakeson | jelly-home: *-doc, themes, wallpapers (and many other arch:all) packages could be installed locally |
| 18:58.24 | LemensTS | so im not sure why the cmd line mail would not log |
| 18:59.00 | icebrain | eztop: have you looked at the results you gave? The bug report is here:http://code.google.com/p/earth-issues/issues/detail?id=804 |
| 18:59.08 | icebrain | eztop: they're working on it |
| 18:59.23 | jelly-home | Drakeson: they could. but debian's packaging system caters not to parallel per-user installations at present |
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| 19:00.39 | dondelelcaro | Drakeson: you can sort of install those things locally, but it's generally thought ot bemuch better for the system administrator to do it |
| 19:00.44 | thewanderer1 | Drakeson: you are free to come up with a system for providing this and package it for Debian, though - look up aufs2. |
| 19:00.50 | jelly-home | LemensTS: check the mail command exit code (echo $?); check the mail server logs (/var/log/mail.log, or /var/log/exim4/mainlog) |
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| 19:03.01 | Drakeson | dondelelcaro: personally (I am an admin, too), I am very reluctant when they ask me for themes and other unnecessary stuff. |
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| 19:03.55 | Drakeson | currently whether it is a pam module or a "cool" gtk theme, the sysadmin has to do it. |
| 19:04.25 | jelly-home | Drakeson: gtk engines bring binaries with them. |
| 19:05.25 | dondelelcaro | Drakeson: the alternative is to have your users have the same information replicated a bunch of times for themselves, and no updates |
| 19:05.27 | thewanderer1 | Drakeson: you should really read up on ((namespaces && unshare) || (aufs2 && squashfs)), or find existing solutions and apply |
| 19:05.43 | thewanderer1 | you can do wonders with modern Linux facilities nowadays |
| 19:05.59 | dondelelcaro | Drakeson: it's a tradeoff... |
| 19:06.23 | thewanderer1 | everything is |
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| 19:07.02 | Angstrom_ | I installed nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx, however I can only get up to 1024x768 at 53 Hz resolution, when my card support sup to 1600x1200 at 60Hz |
| 19:07.06 | Angstrom_ | What could be the problem? |
| 19:08.30 | Drakeson | thewanderer1: I found aufs2 (came across it a while back), but what is "namespaces"? |
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| 19:09.13 | jelly-home | Drakeson: different users/processes see different views of the filesystem |
| 19:09.15 | thewanderer1 | Drakeson: you can have various namings in different processes, for example you can have /dev/sda1 under /var in PROCESS1 and /dev/sda2 under /var in PROCESS2 |
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| 19:09.38 | thewanderer1 | so it looks like the perfect tool for the job |
| 19:10.09 | Drakeson | for some defenition of perfect :p |
| 19:10.42 | stayb | i want to mount my usb webcam, here is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/F5AtbhK2 what to do ? mount /dev/? |
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| 19:11.11 | thewanderer1 | stayb: you do not "mount" a webcam. it could break under your weight, anyway... |
| 19:11.28 | ovnicraft | hi folks, i ma new on debian i hava a VPS i want to install postgres i must run aptitude install as root or need a new user? |
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| 19:11.47 | thewanderer1 | ovnicraft: man, you always install software as root. |
| 19:11.49 | Drakeson | I am going to see how far I can go with 1. plain dpkg, extract locally, set PATH, etc. 2. same as 1, plus spoofing namespaces for processes. |
| 19:11.56 | jelly-home | ovnicraft: typically you install stuff as root, yes |
| 19:12.12 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: except if you're Drakeson |
| 19:12.24 | ovnicraft | yes i know so i hate sudo |
| 19:12.25 | thewanderer1 | Drakeson: you're not getting far with this PATH setting, programs are compiled with library paths hardcoded; jelly-home, yeah :P |
| 19:12.53 | jelly-home | ovnicraft: there's a perfectly usable "su" command as well |
| 19:13.09 | nsadmin | ovnicraft, no... you use aptitude install as root AND you need a new user... which the package provides |
| 19:13.09 | ovnicraft | from start the pkg management i must use just one between apt-get and aptitude? |
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| 19:13.17 | eztop | hell nsadmin |
| 19:13.27 | eztop | hello |
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| 19:13.50 | nsadmin | is hello-bent! |
| 19:14.06 | ovnicraft | nsadmin, so i need run aptitude with sudo ? |
| 19:14.07 | jordanm | ovnicraft: no, but it is recommended you use aptitude |
| 19:14.12 | jordanm | !tell ovnicraft about why aptitude |
| 19:14.25 | jordanm | ovnicraft: did you configure sudo to allow your user to run the aptitude command? |
| 19:14.37 | thewanderer1 | somehow feels that ovnicraft is using Babelfish for communicating with us... except the thing has some bugs and glitches |
| 19:14.49 | ovnicraft | jordanm, no yet but if its necesary i can do it |
| 19:15.00 | jordanm | ovnicraft: not recommended, use "su" |
| 19:15.18 | nsadmin | well you actually have another choice, you could build postgres yourself; on most reasonable machines these days that goes pretty fast... but you'd have a lot to figure out once the build/install was done |
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| 19:16.00 | jelly-home | nsadmin: he might install gentoo and emerge postgres as well! |
| 19:16.10 | jordanm | nsadmin: alright... he is having difficulty understanding running the package manager as root... I don't think that should have been a suggestion |
| 19:16.46 | eztop | any ge experts here? |
| 19:16.58 | nsadmin | ovnicraft, what would help you to understand what's going on? |
| 19:16.59 | jelly-home | ovnicraft: use "su -" command to become root. then run "aptitude install postgresql" as root. |
| 19:17.04 | jelly-home | !es |
| 19:17.04 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 19:17.06 | macrobat | i'd like to ssh. i can ping the host. i copied my public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on a host account. what do i need to do? http://debian.pastebin.com/ALDx8ZmQ |
| 19:17.43 | nsadmin | macrobat: what happens when you telnet thehost 22 |
| 19:18.11 | jordanm | macrobat: remove the entry from known_hosts, if you have a reason for the fingerprint to change |
| 19:18.39 | Drakeson | macrobat: sed -i '2d' .ssh/known_hosts |
| 19:19.02 | macrobat | can i just erase known_hosts from this account? |
| 19:19.22 | nsadmin | you could, it will come back again |
| 19:19.28 | thewanderer1 | macrobat: it's not recommended, although that's what I always do :P |
| 19:19.34 | macrobat | how do i manage this in the future? |
| 19:19.52 | thewanderer1 | macrobat: 1. don't change host identity - copy host keys. |
| 19:19.53 | Drakeson | macrobat: just delete the offending line |
| 19:19.56 | Drakeson | macrobat: sed -i '2d' .ssh/known_hosts |
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| 19:20.06 | nsadmin | sometimes you don't know which line it is |
| 19:20.12 | Drakeson | see line 33 of your paste. |
| 19:20.15 | macrobat | yes :) |
| 19:20.23 | Drakeson | nsadmin: it tells you which line it is |
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| 19:20.31 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 19:26.35 | thewanderer1 | what is this apt-xapian-index and why would my system want it? |
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| 19:28.08 | Smiley | hummmm |
| 19:28.13 | Smiley | my kernel is upgrading, that makes me scared ;) |
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| 19:28.23 | Drakeson | Smiley: from what to what? |
| 19:30.37 | Smiley | whatever apt decided was appropaite |
| 19:30.45 | Smiley | ah wait maybe it was grub, im unsure now. |
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| 19:31.27 | Smiley | I need to check if i can get it online via my blackberry.... |
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| 19:31.32 | Smiley | hopefully it'll go easily. |
| 19:32.50 | macrobat | i can ssh the 192.168.1.100 adress. i have set up that host with an adress at dyndns.org. i can ping but cant ssh in. http://debian.pastebin.com/HebhrLTe |
| 19:33.50 | Smiley | macrobat: router? |
| 19:33.55 | macrobat | yes |
| 19:34.03 | Smiley | port forwarding?... |
| 19:34.10 | Smiley | need to forward 22 from the router, to the system. |
| 19:34.12 | DogBoy | heh |
| 19:34.14 | Smiley | at least I did. |
| 19:34.25 | Smiley | worked nicely after that :0 |
| 19:34.40 | macrobat | idk, maybe the adress points to the router, not the host |
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| 19:35.05 | Smiley | yep. |
| 19:35.09 | Smiley | it would |
| 19:35.09 | DogBoy | it better point to your router |
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| 19:35.14 | DogBoy | otherwise what's the point |
| 19:35.18 | Smiley | unless you've got lots of public ips |
| 19:36.11 | Nerdyman | Hi, Anyone knows a good solution when tty1-6 (Alt+CTL+Fx) consoles are black when switching to them ? I've got an Nvidia Geforce 6200 video card and the latest drivers for debian squeeze. Getty is running fine. |
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| 19:37.10 | macrobat | 6200 is old, maybe a legacy driver would fit better |
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| 19:37.37 | grawity | Which package is the 'xz' command in? |
| 19:37.45 | thewanderer1 | ,file xz |
| 19:37.50 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:38.01 | thewanderer1 | oh, I fail. |
| 19:38.10 | jordanm | ,file xz --release sid |
| 19:38.13 | judd | xz in sid/i386: eglibc-source: usr/src/glibc/eglibc-2.11.2.tar.xz; bash-completion: etc/bash_completion.d/xz; gcc-4.3-source: usr/src/gcc-4.3/gcc-4.3.5-dfsg.tar.xz; xz-utils: usr/bin/unxz, usr/bin/xz; gcc-4.4-source: usr/src/gcc-4.4/gcc-4.4.4-dfsg.tar.xz |
| 19:38.24 | grawity | Hmm. |
| 19:38.29 | Drakeson | grawity: you can use apt-file to find out |
| 19:38.30 | jordanm | grawity: looks like xz-utils |
| 19:38.30 | grawity | ,file xz --release lenny |
| 19:38.33 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:38.39 | grawity | Damn. :\ |
| 19:38.40 | petemc | xz-utils: /usr/bin/xz |
| 19:38.47 | jordanm | ,versions xz-utils |
| 19:38.49 | judd | xz-utils -- lenny-backports: 4.999.9beta+20100713-1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.999.9beta+20100713-1; squeeze: 4.999.9beta+20100713-1 |
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| 19:39.13 | grawity | Eh, I'll upgrade to sid, it's only a temporary system |
| 19:39.25 | jordanm | grawity: its there in backports? |
| 19:39.38 | jordanm | ,file xz --release lenny-backports |
| 19:39.43 | grawity | Too lazy to add that :D |
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| 19:42.00 | jelly-home | sounds like a plan |
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| 19:43.16 | Smiley | Anyone herek now about using debian with a blackberry as a modem? |
| 19:43.26 | Smiley | might as well ask :D |
| 19:44.05 | nsadmin | might as well be a sicco too! |
| 19:44.12 | Smiley | o_O? |
| 19:44.19 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 19:44.19 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 19:44.56 | Smiley | anyone here know about using a RIM blackberry 8520 teathered to Debian as a usb<->gprs modem |
| 19:44.56 | jordanm | Smiley: http://www.netdirect.ca/software/packages/barry |
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| 19:46.43 | nsadmin | other specifics include what you've done so far and what was each result |
| 19:46.43 | Smiley | huuum interesting |
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| 19:46.49 | Nerdyman | There is any problem if I remove the liblgl1-mesa opengl impelementations if I use the Nvidia drivers ? |
| 19:46.58 | Smiley | i've not tried anything so far, other than I used to use my N95 fine by just plugging it in :) |
| 19:47.07 | Smiley | needs to find the cable -_- |
| 19:47.09 | Nerdyman | !modem |
| 19:47.09 | dpkg | [modem] (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. Ask me about <ppp>. USB CDC ACM-compliant modems are supported by the Linux kernel's cdc-acm driver (/dev/ttyACM*). See also <winmodem>. http://wiki.debian.org/Modem |
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| 19:47.33 | Nerdyman | !blackberry |
| 19:47.35 | Smiley | yeah I think it went over ttyACM before. |
| 19:47.48 | statresumedev | anyone know how to fix the error upon debian bootup: cannot stat the resume device /dev/sda1 (pointing to USB stick thats not in computer). i thought i removed it from fstab already and that did not fix. |
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| 19:48.15 | nsadmin | what's it not doing now that it was doing before? are there log messages that might point to what's going on? |
| 19:48.20 | thewanderer1 | statresumedev: it is passed to your kernel as "resume=/dev/sda1" parameter |
| 19:48.29 | thewanderer1 | you can edit GRUB config to remove it |
| 19:49.06 | statresumedev | thewanderer1: sda is not even in grub's menu.lst |
| 19:49.07 | nsadmin | the resume thing is for when you're installing right? |
| 19:49.13 | Drakeson | statresumedev: after you successfully booted, sudo update-grub |
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| 19:49.46 | statresumedev | Drakeson: ok, i ran that command, that will stop that error and me having to hit enter upon bootup everytime? |
| 19:49.51 | thewanderer1 | statresumedev: failing that, it is in your initrd, so regenerate it. |
| 19:50.11 | statresumedev | thewanderer1: how do i regen initrd? |
| 19:50.24 | nsadmin | you'd have to boot successfully first |
| 19:50.41 | thewanderer1 | statresumedev: update-initrd -k all -u |
| 19:50.52 | jelly-home | statresumedev: man update-initramfs |
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| 19:51.17 | statresumedev | update-initrd not found, let me apt-get install it |
| 19:51.37 | statresumedev | its not apt-get'able |
| 19:51.42 | nsadmin | probably you have update-initramfs |
| 19:52.17 | statresumedev | yeah, that was it, updating that with those flags, thanks all |
| 19:52.31 | nsadmin | not sure why they changed the name... makes one more thing to explain |
| 19:53.04 | Smiley | bugger |
| 19:53.04 | statresumedev | nsadmin: you think they would keep the shorter names |
| 19:53.11 | Smiley | now i can't find my blackberry usb cable :/ |
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| 19:55.36 | Smiley | ah found it %_% |
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| 20:00.55 | spook327 | I just upgraded to debian-testing, and can't seem to get audio from my sound card (SB Audigy 2) |
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| 20:04.57 | Smiley | !barryu |
| 20:05.00 | Smiley | !barry |
| 20:05.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, barry is a KDE frontend to the BSD ports system, http://frerich.ath.cx/barry |
| 20:05.13 | Smiley | !unstable |
| 20:05.13 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 20:05.47 | Smiley | I just want to install barry, which appently in unstable.... |
| 20:06.13 | h1gh | !berry |
| 20:06.18 | Drakeson | maybe it is barry-util |
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| 20:08.06 | Drakeson | jae: I tend to do aptitude changelog PACKAGE before installing it. maybe there is a better way. |
| 20:08.12 | dtatulea | Stupid question: Where can I find the .config for my current debian (testing)? |
| 20:08.25 | cockroach | dtatulea: in /boot |
| 20:08.30 | jordanm | dtatulea: for what exactly? |
| 20:08.58 | jordanm | oh, /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 20:09.10 | cockroach | spook327: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 20:09.17 | dtatulea | jordanm: I want to enable some debug stuff in the kernel. cockroach: told you it's a stupid question. Thanks. |
| 20:09.32 | dtatulea | looks for a corner to hide |
| 20:09.40 | cockroach | dtatulea: you're welcome :) |
| 20:09.49 | jordanm | !tell dtatulea about kernel recompile |
| 20:09.52 | cockroach | dtatulea: i ask my fair share of way more stupid questions, no need to hide :) |
| 20:10.02 | jordanm | !tell dtatulea about compile kernel |
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| 20:10.33 | macrobat | !tell spook327 about alsa checklist |
| 20:10.41 | dtatulea | jordanm: Thanks, but I want to use the image with qemu. |
| 20:11.43 | waldheini | i upgraded my etch to lenny, there were no problems except 1 :) i cant connect in phpmyadmin. and there is no error message at all. (syslog, apache logs, phpmyadmin) could it be, that this is a php oder apache problem? |
| 20:12.26 | cockroach | i'm wondering: is there a reasonably simple way to connect input X from sound card A to output Y of soundcard B (without using jack)? |
| 20:13.04 | cockroach | (as in: i'd like to hear the "incoming" audio from my secondary sound card on the headphones connected to the primary one) |
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| 20:17.14 | Smiley | Can anyone tell me the default "mouse click" command name in fluxbox? |
| 20:17.32 | Drakeson | cockroach: I guess it can happen if you feed enough flags to gst-launch-0.10 |
| 20:17.36 | Smiley | i've tried setting it to CloseMenus as the defaut shows... |
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| 20:17.55 | exaboy | hey guys ive worked out my timezone issue :D |
| 20:18.13 | cockroach | Drakeson: gst-launch? also: heh |
| 20:18.20 | exaboy | because the root node is set to UTC ive set my timezone to torronto and its worked :D |
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| 20:19.39 | Smiley | yey sorted it -_- |
| 20:19.58 | Drakeson | cockroach: that comes with gstreamer |
| 20:20.39 | cockroach | Drakeson: oh, gstreamer. i'm a little scared of that one. but thanks, i'll have a look at it. |
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| 20:21.24 | Smiley | !sid |
| 20:21.24 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 20:21.41 | Smiley | huuuum |
| 20:21.44 | Smiley | !sid faq |
| 20:21.44 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html, or <sid upgrade test> |
| 20:22.15 | thewanderer1 | !tell Smiley about msg the bot |
| 20:22.25 | Smiley | heh, thanks :/ |
| 20:22.29 | spook327 | Okay, for some reason alsamixer thinks that the onboard intel sound should be the default |
| 20:22.30 | Smiley | hum, no barry without sid.... |
| 20:22.40 | Smiley | sad times... |
| 20:22.42 | tehrabbitt-1 | heh SID == Headaches |
| 20:22.47 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol |
| 20:22.48 | spook327 | How do I tell it to ignore the intel thing and only ever use my audigy? |
| 20:22.57 | Drakeson | cockroach: also, depending on what you might want to do next, you might be able to just redirect the corresponding sound input /dev to the corresponding output dev |
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| 20:23.35 | Smiley | tehrabbitt-1: I see that, and rather not have that with my eeepc ;) |
| 20:23.40 | Drakeson | but if you want to do the smallest hint of processing, you'll be better of with things like gstreamer. |
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| 20:23.49 | exaboy | whats the best way to handle dns for my server? |
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| 20:23.53 | Smiley | I just wanna use barry.... could I get a binary package or something? would that work? (do binary packages have deps?) |
| 20:24.13 | cockroach | Drakeson: interesting. i don't really need processing, but i'd need the device to remain in a state where other applications can play sound |
| 20:24.21 | Smiley | or if theres some other way to use my bb :< |
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| 20:25.41 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: just set up records with your DNS provider |
| 20:25.42 | tehrabbitt-1 | Smiley: i'll put it this way... I upgraded to SID a while back before I knew what it was... I thought it was just the "latest and greatest"... well it worked for a while, and then one day I did an apt-get update, followed by an upgrade, and I ended up with a system that didn't boot... at all.... |
| 20:26.20 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: otherwise, you have to setup 2 DNS servers for yourself, or make DNS *think* you have 2 servers |
| 20:26.29 | exaboy | ooh bugger |
| 20:26.53 | Smiley | tehrabbitt-1: hense why im not upgrading and looking for other solutions :. |
| 20:27.33 | Drakeson | cockroach: if your sound card has a hardware mixer, plain redirection might work. I am not sure, bu alsa and pulseaudio they might have some way of redirection, too. |
| 20:27.56 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: if you look really hard at your registrar's website, you might find a management panel for setting up records. if they don't provide you with a DNS server and means of managing it, they are crap :P |
| 20:27.59 | cockroach | Drakeson: i'm even more scared of pulseaudio :) |
| 20:28.11 | Drakeson | what is installed? :D |
| 20:28.26 | cockroach | plain old alsa :) |
| 20:28.30 | tehrabbitt-1 | i'm guessing it's a program not included in testing or stable? |
| 20:29.30 | exaboy | thewanderer1: i am moving from my current host to my own VPS. so im thinking i will get godaddy to handle the DNS |
| 20:30.21 | tehrabbitt-1 | exaboy: godaddy's dns isn't bad... or if you want more control over it, everydns.net |
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| 20:30.53 | exaboy | im using them for one of my other domains so ill keep them together. |
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| 20:31.27 | tehrabbitt-1 | exaboy: if you have other domains @ godaddy it's best leave all of them there (things get confusing when you have dns at different providers.... trust me haha) |
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| 20:32.04 | Drakeson | cockroach: sorry. I couldnt find anything useful for making pipes with alsa |
| 20:32.13 | sparr | I want to combine parts of two fonts, what's a good tool for that? |
| 20:32.13 | exaboy | yeah i can imagine :P |
| 20:32.27 | exaboy | bad enough i have 3 different hosting companies. |
| 20:32.47 | cockroach | Drakeson: yeah, me neither, that's why i'm using jack atm. but i figured maybe someone has an idea... |
| 20:32.55 | jordanm | exaboy: godaddy has a history of ... emm.. bad practices. I would recommend nearly anyone else |
| 20:34.10 | exaboy | jordanm: ive heard the same of every company ive ever been with. whats new |
| 20:34.41 | Smiley | barry has binary packages, I dont understand If i can just install these? |
| 20:34.44 | Smiley | !binary |
| 20:34.44 | dpkg | i guess binary is base 2, a way of coding numbers using only 0 and 1 digits instead of base 10, which has 0, 1, ... 9 |
| 20:35.38 | nsadmin | is it possible to have everything in kde use jack as sound server? |
| 20:35.45 | jordanm | exaboy: you must have really poor choice in companies |
| 20:35.53 | exaboy | man i cant be assed hosting both mysql and pgsl on my server. spent so long getting psql running well, dont want to do it all over again |
| 20:36.24 | nsadmin | and/or have the arts thing (not ideal... the thing doesn't have enough sanity checks) use jack |
| 20:36.30 | exaboy | jordanm: s*it happens mate. someone has to get the stiff end of the stick |
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| 20:36.57 | petemc | exaboy: what, further than installing the package, did you have to do to get pgsql running well? |
| 20:37.18 | nsadmin | get the clients? |
| 20:37.29 | nsadmin | well you can tune pg |
| 20:37.38 | petemc | why not let him answer.. |
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| 20:39.16 | cockroach | exaboy: i'm very happy with GANDI's dns services (gandi.net). they're a domain registrar that offers to host dns for you (and claim to be a "no bullshit company")... |
| 20:40.20 | nsadmin | jordanm, where can I see a list of those bad practices godaddy has a history of doing? |
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| 20:41.31 | nsadmin | I've dealt with gandi too, they seem ok, they can host your dns and if they do you can edit the records |
| 20:42.57 | cockroach | nsadmin: the only thing i dislike is the lag (takes a couple of hours until their dns servers serve the updated records) |
| 20:43.17 | exaboy | petemc: postgresql is a well oiled machine mate if you take it seriously and want the most out of it. |
| 20:43.18 | cockroach | (and no, i don't mean the *normal* dns lag) |
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| 20:43.29 | exaboy | just like debian, you dont just "install" it |
| 20:43.55 | exaboy | with mysql i will not be doing sod all more than apt-get install :P |
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| 20:50.36 | TomRiddle^ | hey guys, is there a way to sync user accounts between 2 servers to make sure that same accounts on serverA exist on serverB |
| 20:50.38 | LemensTS | do i need to run anything after editing /etc/aliases |
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| 20:51.32 | cga | TomRiddle^: quick and dirty? for i in passwd shadow; do scp /etc/$i root@othersystem:/etc/ ; done |
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| 20:51.57 | irule | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" does not do anything, what can I do to fix my keybaord and mouse? plus I dont see a xorg.conf in X11, how may I configure manually in 10.04 |
| 20:52.02 | Justin | cga: scp /etc/{passwd,shadow} root@othersystem:/etc/ |
| 20:52.25 | cga | ohps.. better =) |
| 20:52.36 | Smiley | woooo |
| 20:52.39 | petemc | LemensTS: with exim you dont |
| 20:52.40 | reisio | now make it even more shorter |
| 20:52.43 | Smiley | i found out how to install .deb files |
| 20:52.47 | Smiley | but my god the deps xD |
| 20:52.53 | reisio | Smiley: man pages are amazing, right? |
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| 20:53.02 | pallgone | irule: go rule in #ubuntu |
| 20:53.13 | zobel | cga, TomRiddle^, Justin: you also want to sync /etc/group |
| 20:53.28 | LemensTS | pteemc: cool thanks |
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| 20:54.27 | irule | pallgone I did, those A-holes gave me 0 answers, so please at least give me hints because I may find another way, the debian way |
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| 20:55.35 | cga | zobel: true =) |
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| 20:55.44 | cockroach | irule: iirc the way to configure keyboard & mouse stuff changed roughly 200 times in the last few months, no idea what they use for that in ubuntu these days... |
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| 20:56.14 | Smiley | i dont understand wtf I'm doing here :< |
| 20:56.28 | Smiley | i have downloaded an file from sourceforge. its got a debian directory within it |
| 20:56.29 | cockroach | irule: but as a general rule, have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, maybe there's something interesting in there |
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| 20:56.39 | Smiley | and in that its got some files named foo.install.... |
| 20:57.16 | cockroach | Smiley: that's just the debian package source then, if you really want to install that you'll first have to build a package from it. |
| 20:57.23 | Smiley | okie cool. |
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| 20:57.42 | Smiley | I just really need barry :( I dont care how I get it... im wandering blindly here... |
| 20:57.42 | reisio | Smiley: what file? |
| 20:57.50 | Smiley | barry-util.install |
| 20:57.54 | Smiley | as well as lots of others. |
| 20:57.56 | pallgone | irule: dump ubuntu and install debian squeeze... that's what I'm doing wherever I encounter ubuntu now, I've just migrated the /home folder of a lucid installation to squeeze with almost no problems |
| 20:58.13 | cockroach | Smiley: heh. have you tried installing the .deb from unstable? if you're using testing it *might* just work... |
| 20:58.16 | reisio | Smiley: deb in sid |
| 20:58.25 | reisio | pallgone: hear hear |
| 20:58.35 | Smiley | cockroach: I haven't, as people said DON'T You'll die in a fire and burn forever, AND EVER! |
| 20:58.39 | Smiley | and scared me away from that idea. |
| 20:58.49 | reisio | nah |
| 20:58.57 | cockroach | Smiley: well, you *might* die in a fire etc., but hey, that's how you learn :) |
| 20:59.05 | reisio | worst that can happen is you spend a little bit reverting the changes |
| 20:59.14 | Smiley | reisio: thats not what someone else said. hahaa |
| 20:59.16 | TomRiddle^ | cga & zobel: but then I will need to find a way to create the accounts in /home/ too, heh |
| 20:59.26 | Smiley | if its like that. then I'll try (but doing !sid said dont even...) |
| 20:59.35 | Smiley | So I don't really know where to start.. |
| 20:59.37 | cockroach | Smiley: it's generally a bad idea to migrate *everything* to unstable (unless you know what you're doing), but individual packages might just work |
| 20:59.44 | OpenTokix | Smiley: But it's a GNU/Fire |
| 20:59.46 | Smiley | cockroach: ok sweet. |
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| 20:59.49 | cga | TomRiddle^: what about ldap ? |
| 20:59.50 | Smiley | OpenTokix: D: |
| 20:59.58 | shade\ | Hey, I saw a link for a preseed ISO generator (generate and download the generated image) does anyone know where it is? I seem to have lost the link to it |
| 21:00.16 | TomRiddle^ | cga: won't that consume too much memory? |
| 21:00.25 | reisio | shade\: livecd generator? |
| 21:00.35 | reisio | preseed... |
| 21:00.49 | cga | TomRiddle^: nah, it's a text "database" |
| 21:00.59 | Smiley | Right. Where should I be looking to find out how to install something from sid, when I'm not on sid... |
| 21:01.17 | shade\ | reisio: preseed = set of instructions for the installer to carry out automatically |
| 21:01.23 | cockroach | !pinning |
| 21:01.23 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 21:01.24 | cga | Smiley: apt pinning |
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| 21:01.30 | cga | that one |
| 21:01.52 | xsergio | Hi, Are there pv drivers for Xen in official repo? |
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| 21:02.07 | cockroach | Smiley: or just download the .deb and dpkg -i it (if it doesn't have too many weird dependencies) |
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| 21:02.16 | reisio | shade\: like with a shell script? :p |
| 21:02.25 | TomRiddle^ | cga: sounds interesting |
| 21:02.50 | reisio | shade\: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 ? |
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| 21:02.52 | cga | TomRiddle^: as much interesting as a pita |
| 21:02.53 | Smiley | cockroach: it had about 10 files on the sourceforge, I presumed they'd be within the tar, hense why I downloaded it. |
| 21:02.54 | shade\ | reisio: It was a website w/ forms to fill out and an ISO at the end |
| 21:03.07 | reisio | shrugs |
| 21:03.17 | TomRiddle^ | cga: indeed :P |
| 21:03.23 | cockroach | Smiley: you should get the package from packages.debian.org, not from sourceforge |
| 21:03.33 | shade\ | continues looking |
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| 21:03.39 | shade\ | I believe it was in the debian docs somewhere |
| 21:03.40 | Smiley | cockroach: like i said, I dont know what i'm doing |
| 21:03.53 | shade\ | My phone didn't keep the history of the website so I lost it unfor* |
| 21:03.59 | shade\ | thanks though reisio :) |
| 21:04.03 | cockroach | Smiley: that's why there's tons of helpful people in here :) |
| 21:04.25 | Smiley | http://packages.debian.org/sid/barry-util << thats the package. |
| 21:04.42 | Smiley | cockroach: hehe indeed, its taken me awhile to figure out exactly what I'm trying to do ;) |
| 21:04.58 | Smiley | realises he doesn't even know what arch his eee is |
| 21:05.10 | shade\ | aha! |
| 21:05.12 | Smiley | i686, goodie. |
| 21:05.28 | shade\ | reisio: Found it, it was http://www.instalinux.com/ |
| 21:06.20 | cockroach | Smiley: if you want to it manually you'll need to install http://packages.debian.org/sid/libbarry0 first |
| 21:06.32 | cockroach | Smiley: if you use pinning, that should happen automatically |
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| 21:09.05 | Smiley | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/barry/barry-util_0.15-1_i386.deb << ok so I got that file, now dpkg -i it? |
| 21:09.48 | cockroach | Smiley: if you do that it will complain - you need to install libbarry0 first |
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| 21:11.43 | Smiley | ah i see |
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| 21:11.50 | Smiley | but the other deps " are normal" as such? |
| 21:12.50 | Smiley | woooooooo barry installed iwthout errors \o/ |
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| 21:13.48 | Smiley | hum, not found :/ |
| 21:13.59 | Smiley | when running "barry" "barry-utils" |
| 21:14.11 | Smiley | or even barry-util |
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| 21:14.55 | cockroach | Smiley: try "dpkg -L barry-utils | grep bin" to see which binaries are in the package |
| 21:15.08 | cockroach | barry-util, i mean |
| 21:16.08 | Smiley | ah ok |
| 21:16.11 | Smiley | I see some I reckonise |
| 21:16.14 | Smiley | bcharge, pppob |
| 21:17.16 | reisio | shade\: with brushed metal POWER! |
| 21:17.31 | reisio | cute domain |
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| 21:18.26 | amee2k | i'm stuck at a stucky third party DNS hoster that doesn't do SSHFP records. how do i correctly supply a fingerprint in a TXT record? |
| 21:18.49 | amee2k | (i know it the legacy format, but they're the only RR type other than A/CNAME/MX that i can use) |
| 21:18.58 | h1gh | Smiley: I installed barry-utils okay after adding unstable to /etc/apt/sources.list and using aptitude |
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| 21:19.19 | h1gh | Smiley: It installed libbarry0{a} as a dep. |
| 21:19.22 | thewanderer1 | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4255#section-3.1 |
| 21:19.33 | thewanderer1 | ^ amee2k |
| 21:20.06 | amee2k | thewanderer1: i know SSHFP RRs exist, but the hoster doesn't allow their use. i'm stuck with TXT |
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| 21:22.48 | poisonbit | the debian roulette: http://paste.debian.net/81870/ |
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| 21:23.54 | poisonbit | who is the man that is going to change -s -d by -y in the last line ? |
| 21:24.22 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit: it's not Debian roulette, it's Ubuntu roulette :P |
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| 21:24.31 | cristi8 | hi, i have a directory with a lot of subdirs and files. how do i (easily) change the permissions to a+rx to dirs and a+r to files ? |
| 21:24.48 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, no, if you run it in a debian system, it is like a russian roulette :) |
| 21:24.51 | thewanderer1 | cristi8: use `find` |
| 21:24.59 | nameless` | cristi8: chmod -R ? |
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| 21:25.10 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, the script born from the idea of a guy that was mixing repos |
| 21:25.13 | cristi8 | nameless`: i want +x for dirs, and not for files |
| 21:25.16 | nameless` | sorry i misunderstood the question |
| 21:25.24 | nameless` | find is a good idea |
| 21:25.32 | cristi8 | ok, i'll read the man, thanks |
| 21:25.39 | h1gh | find . -type d -exec chmod +x "{}" \; |
| 21:25.42 | nsadmin | two separate invocations of find |
| 21:25.51 | nameless` | find ./ -type d | args chmod +x |
| 21:26.03 | thewanderer1 | UUoP |
| 21:26.03 | nameless` | find ./ -type d | xargs chmod +x |
| 21:26.49 | Smiley | crap |
| 21:26.49 | nsadmin | and |
| 21:26.56 | Smiley | I think I may of forgotton my root password xD |
| 21:27.03 | Smiley | been so long from when I was last on this machine :/ |
| 21:27.09 | h1gh | nameless`: your version will not handle spaces in filenames |
| 21:27.22 | nsadmin | find ./ -type f | xargs chmod +r |
| 21:27.22 | nameless` | h1gh: right |
| 21:27.29 | Smiley | ah the wonders of sudo ;) |
| 21:27.50 | nsadmin | why do people want spaces in filenames? |
| 21:27.51 | cockroach | cristi8: with 'find' |
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| 21:28.04 | cristi8 | cockroach: done it, thanks all :) |
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| 21:28.14 | nsadmin | cockroach yer laggin :) |
| 21:28.23 | cockroach | wtf just happened? lag indeed! |
| 21:28.39 | nameless` | h1gh: find ./ -type d | xargs -I{} chmod +x "{}" |
| 21:29.36 | h1gh | nameless`: seems like find's -exec is simpler |
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| 21:30.15 | nsadmin | well the more ways you know how to do it, the more situations you can apply it to easily |
| 21:31.16 | h1gh | sure, more the merrier |
| 21:31.24 | Patina | chmod -R a+rX should do the trick. |
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| 21:31.53 | nsadmin | Patina: what's the X part? |
| 21:31.58 | nameless` | h1gh: i always considered that the \; was ugly |
| 21:32.05 | cockroach | X, how nice! |
| 21:32.16 | Patina | nsadmin: Execute=open for dirs. |
| 21:32.34 | themill | nameless`: your version still won't handle names with spaces. And you have the + rather than ; forms for much better efficiency with GNU find. |
| 21:32.50 | nsadmin | understood, but why capitalize the x in the chmod invocation? |
| 21:32.50 | nameless` | i have to admit that the -X was the easiest way from all |
| 21:33.05 | cockroach | nsadmin: man chmod |
| 21:33.18 | floris | -X only gives permission to list files not to execute |
| 21:33.33 | nameless` | themill: my version do handle names with spaces thanks to the " " |
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| 21:33.42 | cockroach | Patina: never heard of X before, but that alone was worth all my irc time tonight :) |
| 21:33.44 | floris | ie it only changes directorys |
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| 21:33.57 | nsadmin | cockroach, wasn[t asking you |
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| 21:34.20 | cockroach | nsadmin: then ignore me |
| 21:34.23 | Patina | cockroach: Well, I have, but I can't seem to find it in the manual. |
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| 21:34.41 | cockroach | Patina: line 39 |
| 21:35.12 | h1gh | Patina: nicely done (a+rX) |
| 21:35.17 | themill | nameless`: no it doesn't. xargs will split the arguments on spaces. You need -print0 and xargs -0. |
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| 21:35.22 | Patina | cockroach: Don't think we have the same manual. |
| 21:35.28 | cockroach | Patina: i'm on testing... |
| 21:36.06 | Patina | Well, X is mentioned, but it doesn't say what it does. |
| 21:36.10 | cockroach | Patina: on stable it's also on line 39 ... :) |
| 21:36.12 | nsadmin | same here, my line 39 reads... |
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| 21:36.15 | nameless` | themill: erf, i have to admit that you are right |
| 21:36.24 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.47 | themill | nameless`: there are many traps like this to fall in to. "-exec ... +" mostly makes xargs unneeded these days. |
| 21:37.05 | cockroach | Patina: here it says "only if the file is a directory or already has execute permission for some user" |
| 21:37.30 | floris | yup |
| 21:38.33 | Patina | cockroach: this is chmod 6.10 on lenny, not sure what stable is now. |
| 21:39.22 | Patina | But I do remember that line. Strange thing, this human memory. |
| 21:39.23 | nsadmin | my man is behaving a little strangely... when first displaying the page, it says line 1,,, when I go to the next line, it says line 4 |
| 21:39.26 | Smiley | does anyone know where I can find the "chaps-secret" file |
| 21:39.36 | cockroach | Patina: also 6.10 (lenny is stable) |
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| 21:40.15 | Smiley | zomg its connecting.... |
| 21:40.19 | Smiley | awww, sigterm... |
| 21:41.06 | h1gh | Smiley: /etc/ppp/chap-secrets ? |
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| 21:41.27 | Smiley | h1gh: thats the one.... |
| 21:41.30 | Smiley | now its still failing though :( |
| 21:41.55 | xyan | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/ |
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| 21:48.45 | gnoob | Hi guys, partitioning a test-server now, is it bad to partition all disks with only primary partitions? Going to use raid and lvm on top. |
| 21:49.01 | Smiley | huuum |
| 21:49.06 | Smiley | I got pppd up and running. |
| 21:49.25 | gnoob | I dont really see the point with logical partition, when using raid + lvm-.. or did I miss something? :) |
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| 21:50.14 | Smiley | zomg its working! \o/ |
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| 21:50.25 | Smiley | it just didn't add an appropriate route. |
| 21:51.18 | Smiley | erm, how do you background a running task? |
| 21:51.20 | Smiley | :/ |
| 21:51.38 | Smiley | is it ctrl_z? |
| 21:51.43 | h1gh | then bg |
| 21:51.48 | Smiley | urgh |
| 21:51.54 | Smiley | i think i broke it then, its gone "stopped" |
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| 21:52.01 | h1gh | bg |
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| 21:52.26 | h1gh | !bg |
| 21:52.26 | dpkg | Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net) |
| 21:52.34 | cockroach | lol |
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| 21:52.59 | Smiley | lol |
| 21:53.03 | nsadmin | fg, bg, jobs, ctrl-z are kinda related |
| 21:53.03 | Patina | cockroach: I'm just confused about not having the same manuals. If it's not too much trouble, could you paste yours? As a pm or in your favourite pastebin. |
| 21:53.21 | cockroach | Patina: uuh, hold on |
| 21:53.37 | nsadmin | Patina, looks like it's just off by a coupla lines |
| 21:54.04 | cockroach | Patina: i think mine's that one: http://linux.die.net/man/1/chmod |
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| 21:56.00 | Patina | Looks a lot like mine too. Guess I'm just too tired. |
| 21:56.03 | Smiley | grrr |
| 21:56.04 | Smiley | tjos wprled |
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| 21:56.07 | Smiley | this worked before :/ |
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| 21:56.15 | cockroach | Patina: heh |
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| 21:57.24 | Smiley | should it show [1]+ Stopped.... |
| 21:57.32 | Smiley | to me that seems like its not backgrounding the process, rather pausing it? |
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| 22:02.03 | Smiley | ZOMG yey finally working :):)_:):) |
| 22:02.09 | Smiley | bit laggy, but working :) |
| 22:02.13 | Smiley | awesomeness. |
| 22:02.45 | nsadmin | fg, bg, jobs, ctrl-z are kinda related |
| 22:03.06 | nsadmin | ctl-z usually means "stop this process" |
| 22:03.22 | nsadmin | you can see it with jobs now |
| 22:03.45 | nsadmin | it will then have a job number as well as a pid number |
| 22:04.02 | Smiley | yeah |
| 22:04.04 | nsadmin | then you can fg it (restore it to foreground) or bg |
| 22:04.07 | Smiley | i was doing ctrl_z and screwing it up |
| 22:05.10 | Smiley | erm |
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| 22:05.22 | Smiley | i started the process with & on the end, and now I can't find it? :/ |
| 22:05.34 | dj-death | hello everyone |
| 22:06.11 | h1gh | Smiley: example: http://pastebin.com/Z5HshEdG |
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| 22:06.17 | dj-death | has someone experienced problem with ia32 binaries on debian amd64 ? |
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| 22:06.54 | dj-death | I'm having strange crashs deep inside libdbus that do not happen on debian ia32 |
| 22:07.13 | Bushmills | Smiley: bg |
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| 22:08.13 | h1gh | man bash | grep bg | head -1 |
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| 22:23.55 | high-rez | Are there any tricks go getting xen full hardware virtualization working? I read that you need to install xen-ioemu - but that package doesn't exist.... I have paravirt linux instances working fine, but I can't seem to get my hvm machines going (no qemu-dm) |
| 22:25.41 | reisio | you can't use kvm? |
| 22:25.58 | irule | how may I connect to a wireless ap with cli? |
| 22:26.36 | high-rez | reisio: I've got a ton of domu's already setup with xen... Migration would be painful :) |
| 22:26.46 | reisio | high-rez: :/ |
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| 22:27.43 | reisio | irule: try wicd |
| 22:28.36 | irule | I would like to, but its not installed and I need wireless to fix an update, otherwise its not letting me install stuff |
| 22:29.04 | high-rez | reisio: Are there any real advantages of kvm? I see it being pushed all over the place... |
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| 22:30.48 | nsfx | i'm at the partition step of a debian install on a small embedded deviced, the disk is already partitioned so i'm using manual mode, however i'm getting an error "File system has an incompatible feature enabled." any tips on how to dig deeper into the issues/ |
| 22:30.50 | nsfx | ? |
| 22:31.58 | reisio | high-rez: it's in Linux |
| 22:32.36 | reisio | kvm: _kernel_ virtual machine, IIRC |
| 22:32.45 | reisio | also QEMU is just awesome |
| 22:33.14 | reisio | but I probably wouldn't switch a _lot_ of Xen images to kvm without seeing some benchmarks, either |
| 22:33.17 | reisio | they're both open source, after all |
| 22:34.39 | high-rez | Well both use qemu for the most part. :) |
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| 22:41.57 | rfranknj | hi, i have a radeon 5670 with a dvi, hdmi, and displayport output. xrandr tells me I havd DFP1, DFP2, DFP3 and CRT1. can i go tri-head with this setup? would i need an active displayport > dvi adapter? |
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| 22:52.39 | icebrain | !tell irule about interfaces |
| 22:52.57 | icebrain | irule: also, see wpa-supplicant |
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| 22:55.26 | phogg | wpa_supplicant ftw |
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| 23:13.45 | smacnay | I am getting a dpkg parse error in a revision string of the virtualbox app. How do I "reset" this so that I can continue on my updates? |
| 23:14.17 | smacnay | it is the /var/lib/dpkg/status file near line 56186 |
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| 23:20.24 | kimi_ | hello |
| 23:20.41 | kimi_ | does anybody has experience setting up freeradius |
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| 23:21.27 | Bushmills | i am sure of that |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | probably someone, ask an actual questoin |
| 23:22.13 | Bushmills | the developers most likely have a working setup |
| 23:22.18 | hobbz | debian makes me horny |
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| 23:23.38 | abrotman | hobbz: do you need help? |
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| 23:24.30 | kimi_ | I want to set up freeradius in order to authenticate wifi users that connects to my router (using wpa2 enterprise) |
| 23:24.32 | hobbz | not unless you know why grabbing mysql via apt on 5.0.5 doesn't add a root user :D |
| 23:25.17 | kimi_ | I'm having difficulties making wifi users authenticate |
| 23:25.48 | abrotman | hobbz: root user to what? |
| 23:25.55 | hobbz | in mysql |
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| 23:26.27 | abrotman | i think that's pretty normal, IIRC it allows *@localhost |
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| 23:27.57 | hobbz | ah, interesting to know |
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| 23:46.48 | smacnay | Hi, I am getting errors when trying to do an aptitude safe-upgrade. The package updating goes fine but when I try for safe-upgrade, I get an error regarding the version number of virtualbox in the /var/lib/dpkg/status file. |
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| 23:47.45 | smacnay | putting the error message in #paste |
| 23:47.52 | smacnay | sorry - #flood |
| 23:47.55 | cast | and did you install vbox from your debian repo? |
| 23:47.56 | abrotman | paste.debian.net ? |
| 23:48.36 | smacnay | cast, originally, I did install ose stuff, but then added the Sun vbox line and used their repo. |
| 23:48.48 | smacnay | abrotman, will put it there |
| 23:49.25 | smacnay | http://paste.debian.net/81874/ |
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| 23:52.50 | omajgat | Hi, can i use wget via vhost? Cant find this with -h ;x |
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| 23:53.51 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:53.58 | nooper | omajgat: do you mean you want to specify your source IP when using wget? |
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| 23:56.33 | omajgat | ok, find it ;d --bind-address= |
| 23:57.09 | nooper | does ;d mean your tongue is touching your nose? |
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| 23:57.46 | hobbz | it means he's going to wheeze the juice |
| 23:58.25 | abrotman | hobbz: could you pretend to be normal? |
| 23:59.07 | hobbz | so serious in debian |
