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| 00:01.16 | smacnay | abrotman, hmmm, cannot purge or remove vbox. I might wait a bit but I wonder if my status file was corrupted. |
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| 00:01.51 | abrotman | that's from your sun package i thnik |
| 00:02.33 | smacnay | abrotman, an old package that I no longer use - not sure how to get rid of the "evidence" in the status file but I will see what I can read |
| 00:02.37 | smacnay | thanks |
| 00:03.28 | abrotman | you can manually edit that file, just make a backup first |
| 00:04.19 | smacnay | abrotman, can I simply remove the offending entry? |
| 00:05.20 | abrotman | make a backup first |
| 00:05.40 | smacnay | done |
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| 00:06.11 | smacnay | can I rem out in the /var/lib/dpkg/status file? Or just delete the lines? |
| 00:06.24 | abrotman | delete |
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| 00:14.11 | smacnay | abrotman, seems to have worked - I also needed to backup and edit the corresponding "available" file |
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| 00:36.07 | pyite_mac | anyone in here who might know something about UDP and the do-not-fragment flag? |
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| 01:05.13 | zealiod | I'm using a debian box as a NAS and PROXY and I'd like to sniff ethernet packets on the network and read their 802.11q VLAN tag - is this possible? |
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| 01:08.52 | Eric01 | Hello |
| 01:09.18 | Eric01 | i have configured and added muliple static ip addresses to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:09.19 | Eric01 | iface eth0 inet static |
| 01:09.19 | Eric01 | iface eth0:0 inet static |
| 01:09.19 | Eric01 | iface eth0:1 inet static |
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| 01:09.30 | Eric01 | oops, sorry |
| 01:09.46 | Eric01 | outbound connections are going from: eth0 |
| 01:10.06 | Eric01 | how can i force system to send all outbound connections to be sent from: eth0:1 |
| 01:10.08 | Eric01 | ? |
| 01:10.29 | abrotman | maybe it the default route? |
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| 01:15.50 | Eric01 | how ? |
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| 01:15.59 | Eric01 | i am not fimilar with default route :-/ |
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| 01:18.19 | abrotman | man route? |
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| 01:19.03 | Eric01 | if i by mistake change something incorrectly, i will lose access to my dedicated server :-/ |
| 01:19.05 | Eric01 | for example, i have eth0 with ip: 111.111.111.111 and eth0:1 with ip: 222.222.222.222 |
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| 01:19.19 | essial | Does Debian have decent lxde support? |
| 01:19.25 | Eric01 | i want all outgoing request to be sent from eth0:1 |
| 01:19.31 | Eric01 | lxde support ? |
| 01:19.42 | essial | package-wise |
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| 01:20.09 | Tramp | Eric01: probably: ip route add default via <your default gw> src <the source-ip you want> - and yes. If I'm wrong or you screw up and you don't have terminal-access, you're sol. |
| 01:20.13 | essial | like ubuntu sucks with their kde packages |
| 01:20.41 | essial | I know opensuse has good lxde support but I prefer a .deb based system if at all possible |
| 01:20.58 | Eric01 | hmm |
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| 01:21.13 | Eric01 | ip route add default via 222.222.222.222 ? |
| 01:21.15 | reisio | essial: latest version in squeeze http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=lxde&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 01:21.20 | Eric01 | this will be fine ? |
| 01:21.27 | reisio | and lenny backports |
| 01:21.38 | Tramp | Eric01: no. that's not remotely close to what I just suggested |
| 01:21.52 | essial | i'm checking |
| 01:22.10 | essial | package lxde is 2008 |
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| 01:22.46 | Eric01 | so if i install lxde package. |
| 01:22.48 | essial | looks like i'm going to have to compile it from scratch if i tried :-/ |
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| 01:22.52 | reisio | ... |
| 01:22.53 | Eric01 | then what to do ? |
| 01:22.56 | reisio | essial: no... |
| 01:23.02 | reisio | first of all, don't use stable for a Desktop |
| 01:23.07 | reisio | use squeeze/testing |
| 01:23.14 | reisio | then you have the latest version anyways |
| 01:23.33 | essial | Right |
| 01:23.38 | essial | squeeze is clsoe enoug |
| 01:23.55 | moldovean | !sns |
| 01:23.55 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 01:24.02 | reisio | essial: close enough to what? |
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| 01:24.09 | Tramp | Eric01: ip route add default via <your default gw> src <the source-ip you want> <--- what exactly confuses you? |
| 01:24.11 | essial | version wise it's new enough |
| 01:24.15 | essial | for squeeze |
| 01:24.22 | essial | is the normal DVD what i need to download |
| 01:24.29 | essial | and change somethign post-isntall or what |
| 01:24.43 | essial | sorry for the dumb questions, I'm more used to RH |
| 01:24.45 | Eric01 | <your default gw> = default gateway |
| 01:24.52 | Eric01 | <the source-ip you want> what is this for ? |
| 01:25.01 | Eric01 | the ip i want for outgoing ? |
| 01:25.07 | reisio | essial: I like the businesscard net install: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:25.27 | essial | I ahve a dvd and an awesome connection :) |
| 01:25.35 | essial | just wondering what I have to do to use 'squeeze vs stable |
| 01:25.56 | reisio | nothing |
| 01:25.57 | Tramp | Eric01: yes |
| 01:26.04 | Eric01 | thanks :) |
| 01:26.06 | Eric01 | trying... |
| 01:26.11 | reisio | waste of time downloading DVD images if you have an awesome connection, though |
| 01:26.27 | reisio | get the tiny businesscard image, download everything during install or just after |
| 01:26.59 | essial | ok i'll do that but again, where do I tell it to use squeeze vs table |
| 01:27.08 | essial | *stable so I don't ahve to update the whole system right after install |
| 01:27.12 | reisio | essial: the link I gave you is for squeeze |
| 01:27.17 | Eric01 | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 01:27.22 | Eric01 | hmm |
| 01:27.30 | essial | last qusetion before I do the install :) |
| 01:27.48 | essial | Is there a .deb for the propriatary nvidia driver for the newer video cards?? |
| 01:27.52 | Eric01 | reisio, i am getting this: RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 01:27.54 | reisio | essial: know what arch your proc is? |
| 01:27.57 | essial | I can run the .run file but it's annoying |
| 01:28.09 | essial | it's x86_64, but I prefer i386 |
| 01:28.15 | reisio | essial: why? |
| 01:28.28 | essial | due to the fact I only have 2gb of ram so 64-bit only means problems with flash and drivers |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | the business card requires that you have functional internet during the install, the netinst does not |
| 01:28.59 | essial | I just hate X breaking every time the kernel updates |
| 01:29.03 | reisio | essial: Linux doesn't have 64-bit driver problems, that's a Windows thing |
| 01:29.13 | reisio | and there isn't a Flash problem, either |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | essial: you mean you hate nvidia/ati binary crap drivers breaking .. that's not X |
| 01:29.23 | essial | no |
| 01:29.27 | reisio | you don't even have to run nspluginwrapper, the non-free package will do it all for you |
| 01:29.30 | essial | I mean the modules becomming invalid due to the kernel version changing |
| 01:29.39 | reisio | essial: what model is your card? |
| 01:29.42 | essial | hence the need to re-compile |
| 01:29.45 | essial | 9800 GTX+ (1gb) |
| 01:29.50 | abrotman | right .. nvidia crap drivers |
| 01:29.59 | essial | and the nouveau driver doesn't work worth a damn |
| 01:30.02 | essial | at least it didn't in opensuse |
| 01:30.17 | essial | very crashy, I installed binary and it ran like a champ, of course .deb could be different |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | and if you install the drivers the debian way, that shouldn't happen |
| 01:30.31 | essial | OK well I'mg oing to download/install |
| 01:30.41 | essial | and come back and bug you guys some more :) |
| 01:31.00 | essial | I've been using linux for over 8 years, just mainly use RPM based systems |
| 01:31.13 | essial | ubuntu 10.04 kicked me off of my ubuntu 8.04 high |
| 01:31.25 | essial | shakes his head |
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| 01:31.54 | abrotman | much less hand holding here |
| 01:32.20 | essial | that's fine, I remember back when you had to manually add modelines for your CRT monitor in x11rc |
| 01:32.24 | Eric01 | reisio: i am getting this: RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 01:32.40 | reisio | essial: what's available for squeeze supports that card |
| 01:32.46 | reisio | Eric01: why tell me |
| 01:32.51 | essial | great, it's prolly just a suse issue |
| 01:33.06 | essial | as I said I'm not a linux n00b by any means :) |
| 01:33.15 | essial | Just n00b to particular distros |
| 01:33.18 | reisio | relevant doc: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:33.32 | Tramp | Eric01: well, you already have a default-GW set. You can't add another one. You use the line from above after removing the default-route - which is kind of hard without terminal access |
| 01:33.34 | Eric01 | tried: ip route add default via <your default gw> src <the source-ip you want> |
| 01:33.42 | Eric01 | getting error: RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 01:34.02 | essial | debian, linux for robots :) |
| 01:34.06 | essial | anyway downloading the CD |
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| 01:34.30 | Aimee | Hello, |
| 01:34.33 | reisio | essial: amd64, fool :p |
| 01:34.37 | essial | done, see you guys in a few |
| 01:34.39 | reisio | Aimee: 'lo |
| 01:34.42 | essial | yeah i'm burning amd64 |
| 01:34.46 | essial | well i'm burning it now |
| 01:34.47 | reisio | essial: good man! :) |
| 01:34.50 | essial | to a dvd :p |
| 01:34.59 | essial | pff i used amd64 3 years ago |
| 01:35.02 | essial | on gentoo so meh |
| 01:35.09 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:35.09 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:35.25 | reisio | or â |
| 01:35.26 | Aimee | I am going to make a move to Debian and was wondering a few things. First of all, is there a network manager applet that will let me have eth0 and wlan0 up at the same time so I can have a wired connection and broadcast a AdHoc network? |
| 01:35.36 | Aimee | at the same time, that is. |
| 01:35.39 | reisio | Aimee: move to Debian from what? |
| 01:35.59 | abrotman | Aimee: debian does have network-manager |
| 01:36.05 | Aimee | well, right now I'm running Windows... Before that, Ubuntu, before that, Windows, before that, Debian |
| 01:36.14 | essial | before that, DOS? |
| 01:36.15 | Aimee | Debian crapped out on me one day and I never had the will to try to fix it |
| 01:36.20 | reisio | awe |
| 01:36.23 | reisio | poor Debian |
| 01:36.27 | Aimee | no |
| 01:36.30 | Aimee | poor nvidia |
| 01:36.32 | reisio | :p |
| 01:36.35 | Aimee | i hated them so much for it |
| 01:36.41 | Aimee | they killed my poor debian |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | stop hitting the enter key |
| 01:36.43 | essial | don't hate nvidia, nvidia is 100 times better than ati |
| 01:36.50 | reisio | any application you've seen in any other distro is available to Debian, too, and also... any other distro |
| 01:36.51 | Aimee | True enough. |
| 01:37.05 | essial | OK see you guys in debian :D |
| 01:37.22 | Aimee | Also |
| 01:37.31 | Aimee | Which release should I download? |
| 01:37.37 | nevyn | hates nvidia. |
| 01:37.38 | Aimee | Etch or Squeeze? |
| 01:37.41 | reisio | Aimee: for a desktop? |
| 01:37.44 | Aimee | Yes |
| 01:37.49 | abrotman | definitely not etch .. either lenny or squeeze |
| 01:37.54 | reisio | Aimee: what processor/arch? |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | lenny is 'stable', squeeze is 'testing' - still in development |
| 01:38.09 | Aimee | x86/Intel Xeon |
| 01:38.19 | reisio | an x86 Xeon |
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| 01:38.34 | Aimee | Am I allowed to /sysinfo in here |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | no |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | Aimee: does the CPU support 64bit software? |
| 01:38.58 | Aimee | Probably not |
| 01:39.12 | reisio | Aimee: you're sure it's not 64-bit? grep ' lm' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:39.12 | Aimee | It won't run a 64-bit OS, that's for sure |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | then you choose i386, and either lenny, or squeeze .. depends how much breakage you want to put up with |
| 01:39.23 | reisio | oh, well that's the definitive way to find out :p |
| 01:39.29 | Aimee | -Aimee- VERSION xchat 2.8.6-2 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/2.80GHz] |
| 01:39.34 | Aimee | As I'm sure you're already aware |
| 01:39.40 | Aimee | I don't have grep |
| 01:39.52 | JairunCaloth | cygwin |
| 01:39.54 | Gnudoll | Oh get a grep. . . |
| 01:40.02 | Aimee | ... lol |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | JairunCaloth: and that will get him /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 01:40.11 | Aimee | *her |
| 01:40.13 | Gnudoll | (sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 01:40.14 | reisio | Aimee: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 01:40.16 | JairunCaloth | lol no, I just saw the grep comment |
| 01:40.25 | abrotman | reisio: WRONG .. do not give him tha tlink |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | wtf .. why do people do that |
| 01:40.33 | reisio | abrotman: why not? |
| 01:40.37 | reisio | because :) |
| 01:40.42 | Aimee | abrotman: *her <.< |
| 01:40.47 | reisio | I'll tell you why |
| 01:40.49 | abrotman | because it's about six months old .. pay attention if you're going to try to give out random ISOs to people |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | Aimee: sorry |
| 01:41.01 | reisio | because Aimee probably wants software made available this decade |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | reisio: WRONG ISO |
| 01:41.15 | reisio | okay, in that case |
| 01:41.17 | abrotman | that ISO is out of date and buggy |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | just stop please |
| 01:41.21 | reisio | people do that because debian.org links to it |
| 01:41.58 | reisio | right here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ after "we recommend" |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso .. is probably a far better one to use |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | if he wants squeeze, which may or may not have broken bits |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | she |
| 01:42.11 | JairunCaloth | I like squeeze for my desktop btw. |
| 01:42.23 | abrotman | I got it that time! |
| 01:42.37 | reisio | abrotman: that's from the same date |
| 01:42.43 | Aimee | Uh yeah |
| 01:42.45 | JairunCaloth | Useable but sometimes a bit weird |
| 01:42.51 | Aimee | goddamn browser can't tell mime types |
| 01:42.52 | Aimee | <.< |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | grr, sorry |
| 01:43.00 | Aimee | That just displayed in my browser |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:43.07 | abrotman | that one |
| 01:43.13 | reisio | ah okay |
| 01:43.16 | reisio | I figured that's what you meant |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | and the business card is a horrible idea |
| 01:43.25 | reisio | why? |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | i already said why, but you were too busy rambling on to notice |
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| 01:44.18 | reisio | I don't think you did or I was |
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| 01:44.31 | abrotman | right .. or you didn't notice :) |
| 01:44.34 | moldovean | he did |
| 01:44.39 | reisio | or you ignored what I acknowledged |
| 01:44.58 | reisio | and thought my 'why?' meant anything other than 'why business vs netinst' |
| 01:45.14 | reisio | look here, a business image from the same date as your netinst link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 01:45.20 | reisio | smaller :) |
| 01:45.39 | abrotman | Aimee: please don't use the businesscard, please use the netinst that I linked above |
| 01:45.49 | reisio | abrotman: why? :p |
| 01:45.51 | Aimee | Yeah, I had to find it ont he site though |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | i linked it above |
| 01:46.02 | Aimee | pain in the ass browser wouldn't let me download it just by clicking |
| 01:46.12 | reisio | good times |
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| 01:46.52 | rileyp | Can I join mythtv-users from my opine? |
| 01:47.14 | reisio | rileyp: iPhone? |
| 01:47.38 | rileyp | Yes |
| 01:47.46 | reisio | why not |
| 01:47.46 | abrotman | rileyp: why are you asking here? |
| 01:48.03 | rileyp | Nvm |
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| 01:48.42 | ncd209 | how can i raise the scheduling priority higher the 89 ? |
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| 01:50.59 | rileyp | #mythtv-users |
| 01:51.11 | ncd209 | do i have to do it as root ? |
| 01:52.13 | rileyp | #mythtv-users |
| 01:52.20 | reisio | heheh |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | rileyp: /join #mythtv-users |
| 01:52.36 | rileyp | thanks |
| 01:53.15 | rileyp | /join #mythtv-users |
| 01:54.01 | rileyp | Not responding |
| 01:54.13 | rileyp | I'm on iphone |
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| 02:14.40 | chilli0 | Hello I have some fked up perm's on my end. I would like a bit of help to sort it all out. |
| 02:14.53 | chilli0 | I have a server that has all my familys music and movies on it. |
| 02:15.09 | chilli0 | And I want users to be able to add music to that collection. |
| 02:15.15 | cast | ok. |
| 02:15.28 | cast | so give them w access to the relevent directories? |
| 02:15.34 | chilli0 | I have two users on the server. root and media |
| 02:15.48 | chilli0 | I have been using root to do everything ( I think this pucked it up) |
| 02:15.53 | cast | well, quite a few more...but ok |
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| 02:16.18 | cast | if this involves windows file sharing i'm going outside to work on my bike |
| 02:16.41 | chilli0 | cast, I'm currently just trying to add new songs via sftp |
| 02:17.25 | chilli0 | Even if I'm logged in as root on stfp if gives perm errors. |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:17.48 | abrotman | who owns the dir ? |
| 02:18.00 | chilli0 | 0 |
| 02:18.08 | chilli0 | Owner: 0 |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
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| 02:19.19 | chilli0 | 1 sec abrotman I'm going to reboot the server. |
| 02:19.27 | cast | that'll help |
| 02:19.36 | chilli0 | cast, sarcasm? |
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| 02:20.04 | cast | yes, unless you have configured a RNG to toggle the selinux flag |
| 02:20.31 | chilli0 | I think it will help because the external hard drive is mounted under root , and the user media has no acesss to it. |
| 02:21.37 | cast | chilli0: what does uname -a say? |
| 02:21.43 | chilli0 | cast, nothing. |
| 02:21.51 | cast | heh. |
| 02:21.51 | chilli0 | Still rebooting. |
| 02:22.33 | chilli0 | also , I did a chown -R media * |
| 02:22.53 | chilli0 | But , when ever I tried to copy new files over there perms would be screwed. |
| 02:23.10 | chilli0 | And this stupid server/computer takes for ever to start back up. |
| 02:23.17 | chilli0 | It takes like 10mins before I can ssh into it. |
| 02:23.28 | chilli0 | It takes like 10mins before I can ssh into it. |
| 02:23.30 | chilli0 | ops |
| 02:23.40 | cast | is the media mounted read only per chance? |
| 02:23.52 | cast | like, say, a ntfs hard drive may be? |
| 02:24.21 | chilli0 | cast, I have confused my self a bit. But music is on the local hard drive. And movies is on external. |
| 02:24.36 | chilli0 | So only dealing with the local one at the moment =P. And yes ntfs. |
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| 02:26.13 | abrotman | what are the perms on the mount point? |
| 02:26.54 | chilli0 | abrotman, Not to sure . Still trying to get logged in. |
| 02:27.06 | abrotman | if you can't login, you've got other problems |
| 02:27.16 | chilli0 | abrotman, It says no route to host. |
| 02:27.58 | chilli0 | I dont know why but if i use shutdown -r now |
| 02:28.10 | chilli0 | it does something weird to the computer =S |
| 02:28.16 | chilli0 | gotta go hard reset it |
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| 02:34.13 | chilli0 | abrotman, Now it's just not connect at all. Really quite angry. |
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| 02:36.53 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
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| 02:37.37 | essial | ok one problem :) On LXDE it seems network manager is not managing the network |
| 02:37.40 | essial | which is freaking out some programs |
| 02:37.54 | essial | (obviously network is working, I grabbed pidgin from package manager and both work fine) |
| 02:38.44 | abrotman | oh, pidgin works without n-m now? |
| 02:38.50 | essial | apparently |
| 02:38.54 | essial | empathy didn't want to work |
| 02:38.56 | abrotman | it used to require a flag |
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| 02:39.06 | abrotman | anyways .. you can probably setup n-m if you want .. up to you |
| 02:39.08 | essial | said I was offline, even though iceweasel (firefox) works |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | used wicd with lxde |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | yeah, some gnome-ish apps wait for n-m to state that it is connected, even if it's not configured |
| 02:39.33 | essial | well what do i do to allow network manager to manage it? |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | instlal it for starters ... |
| 02:40.08 | essial | .. |
| 02:40.30 | essial | its most definately installed :p |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | and IIRC i think just commenting out all the real interface stuff in the interfaces file is enough (leave lo there) .. been awhile since i configured mine though |
| 02:40.47 | essial | why would debian come with n/m by default |
| 02:40.49 | essial | but not have n/m set up |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | is it installed? |
| 02:40.59 | essial | by default |
| 02:41.07 | essial | i haven't installed it so |
| 02:41.12 | abrotman | i doubt it .. but installing enough stuff would suck it in |
| 02:41.20 | abrotman | use 'dpkg -l network-manager' |
| 02:41.20 | essial | all I installed was lxde |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | and xorg, and pidgin, and empathy |
| 02:41.40 | essial | what about it |
| 02:42.26 | essial | so just get rid of eth0 stuff then and n/m will pick it up? |
| 02:42.31 | essial | obviously lo needs to stay :p |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | you need to install n-m also |
| 02:42.51 | essial | .... |
| 02:42.55 | essial | it was already installed I told you |
| 02:42.59 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 02:43.11 | essial | I installed debian, immediately installed lxde, and booted into lxde |
| 02:43.17 | CrackZmoQ | i just uninstalled 36 "obsolete" packages and then apt-get and aptitude gave me APT::Cache-Limit errors. I then changed the limit on them and now i get a seg fault when i run either of them |
| 02:43.18 | essial | didn't do anything but apt-get install lxde |
| 02:43.37 | essial | anyway rebooting, it should be fine now then |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | maybe ... |
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| 02:46.06 | essial | there we go :) |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | all fixed up? |
| 02:46.44 | essial | nods |
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| 02:53.22 | Alystair | anyone here know of a multi-threaded downloader? |
| 02:53.40 | Alystair | other than running multiple copies of wget in tandem that is :p |
| 02:53.46 | essial | multi-threaded? |
| 02:53.51 | essial | or multi-part (ala download manager) |
| 02:53.57 | essial | because most servers frown on those things :p |
| 02:54.17 | Alystair | multi-threaded, as in more than one file at a time |
| 02:54.26 | essial | uh firefox? :p |
| 02:54.30 | essial | :) |
| 02:54.31 | epsilon | wget? |
| 02:54.37 | Alystair | \:| |
| 02:54.40 | essial | wget with an & at the end? multiple terminal windows? |
| 02:54.53 | Alystair | ok ok fine |
| 02:54.57 | essial | doesn't wget allow multiple files listed? |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | console or GUI? |
| 02:55.07 | epsilon | which protocoll anyway? HTTP/FTP/... |
| 02:55.18 | Alystair | sorry http |
| 02:55.25 | epsilon | wget *shrugs* |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | Alystair: which version of debian ? |
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| 02:56.30 | chilli0 | How can I get root access in debian?? |
| 02:56.32 | essial | wget supports multiple files |
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| 02:56.37 | chilli0 | sudo isn't there. |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | chilli0: su |
| 02:56.41 | essial | chilli0: add your user to "wheel" group or su |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | Alystair: which version of Debian ? |
| 02:56.46 | Alystair | I just downloaded 'axel' |
| 02:56.49 | chilli0 | Thanks =P |
| 02:56.49 | abrotman | essial: there is no wheel group |
| 02:56.53 | essial | O_O |
| 02:56.59 | essial | seriously? no sudo? |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | !tell essial about wheel |
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| 02:57.07 | Alystair | pop into single usermode and fix it :P |
| 02:57.07 | abrotman | essial: sudo is not installed byt defaulyt |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | and defintely not configured |
| 02:57.26 | essial | abrotman: sudo is installed on my fresh copy |
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| 02:57.38 | essial | unless lxde automatically insteadd it as a dependency for some strange reason |
| 02:57.41 | Alystair | abrotman: lenny afaik |
| 02:57.44 | abrotman | essial: it depends what you install, if you skip the 'stnadard' task, it won't be installed |
| 02:57.48 | chilli0 | essial, I'm not using a desktop envoroment. |
| 02:57.58 | essial | ah :) |
| 02:57.58 | chant | Why is there a lp,mail,news,uucp user on default install? |
| 02:58.02 | essial | then yeah su or su - |
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| 02:58.03 | Alystair | apt-get sudo... OH WAIT |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | Alystair: d4x |
| 02:58.04 | Alystair | ;D |
| 02:58.06 | essial | depending on what you want |
| 02:58.22 | Alystair | abrotman: console? |
| 02:58.24 | abrotman | chant: printer? mail? those are normal system users |
| 02:58.30 | chant | I know they are... |
| 02:58.34 | chant | but I don't have uucp installed.... |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | Alystair: it's GUI .. i asked GUI or console, you never answered |
| 02:58.40 | chant | so why would debian create a user? |
| 02:58.40 | Alystair | tries axel |
| 02:58.44 | chilli0 | Just checking , but shutdown -r now |
| 02:58.45 | chant | seems like a waste |
| 02:58.47 | essial | does debian have a "cnf" type command? |
| 02:58.50 | chilli0 | will shut down and restart normaly? |
| 02:58.55 | epsilon | user below UID 1000 are sys users without login access |
| 02:59.02 | cheasee | im remotely installing debian via ssh, got installer running, need to update disk layout, loaded parted-udeb from installer but there is not "partprobe" command available when i start a shell, how do i update without rebooting? |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | !tell essial about apt-file |
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| 02:59.35 | essial | thanks |
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| 03:00.51 | Colonel_Panic | hey all |
| 03:01.13 | Colonel_Panic | is there a way to install Flash onto Debian 64-bit? |
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| 03:01.39 | cheasee | Colonel_Panic, sure there is.. google it, there is a 64bit version |
| 03:01.48 | Colonel_Panic | I've tried several methods but none seem to have worked |
| 03:01.53 | cheasee | afair on softpedia.com |
| 03:02.07 | abrotman | !tell Colonel_Panic about adobe flash |
| 03:02.10 | Colonel_Panic | the 64-bit Flash has been discontinued |
| 03:02.24 | cheasee | but its working afaik |
| 03:02.34 | essial | not really |
| 03:02.38 | essial | the 64-bit plugin was VERY crashy |
| 03:02.51 | essial | just uses the HTML5 version of youtube and simply doesn't watch the non-converted videos |
| 03:02.52 | Colonel_Panic | cheasee, would you please tell that to my computer? |
| 03:02.54 | cast | and he's talking by adobe standards, too |
| 03:03.02 | essial | http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 03:03.08 | Colonel_Panic | because I've been trying all evening |
| 03:03.12 | cheasee | heh ya html5! :D |
| 03:03.57 | cast | Colonel_Panic: life is much better without flash :) |
| 03:04.22 | essial | considering apple is on a flash hating mission |
| 03:04.41 | essial | i just use chrome and use html5 video :) |
| 03:04.57 | Colonel_Panic | who cares about Apple? I'm runninf Linux |
| 03:05.24 | essial | well they have a large market share on a lot of devices |
| 03:05.31 | essial | so if they don't support flash, sites HAVE to support something else |
| 03:05.49 | essial | flash was needed back before the web grew up |
| 03:05.54 | Colonel_Panic | not necessarily |
| 03:06.12 | Colonel_Panic | I have a need for flash now |
| 03:06.24 | essial | for what? |
| 03:06.35 | cheasee | online games heh |
| 03:06.38 | Colonel_Panic | I'm going to assume from all this bushbeating that Flash is not workable under Debian 5.0.5 amd64 |
| 03:06.46 | essial | It ~is~ |
| 03:06.49 | Colonel_Panic | an I right? |
| 03:06.49 | essial | it's just a huge PITA |
| 03:06.57 | essial | just like in 64-bit windows |
| 03:07.04 | Colonel_Panic | I'm no stranger to pains in the ass |
| 03:07.05 | essial | the 64-bit browsers don't do flash |
| 03:07.17 | essial | basically you have to have 32-bit flash running |
| 03:08.09 | cheasee | !tell me about d-i |
| 03:08.17 | Colonel_Panic | I tried using that nspluginwrapper |
| 03:08.27 | Colonel_Panic | it didn't work |
| 03:09.05 | Tux^verdreifelt | hmm, would lightspark work on x64 then? :) |
| 03:09.09 | Colonel_Panic | I used to have Flash working when I used Ubuntu on this 64-bit machine |
| 03:09.19 | Colonel_Panic | that was awhile ago |
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| 03:11.32 | Colonel_Panic | I can run flash on my goddamn PHONE, but not on my computer? |
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| 03:12.21 | cast | if flash security and stability didnt suck so hard, i'd be less critical, but i think the world can do with less compromized computers |
| 03:12.23 | essial | colonel_panic: youtube works fine out of box on 64-bit for me apparently |
| 03:12.50 | Colonel_Panic | security? really? |
| 03:13.11 | Colonel_Panic | what are the specific security flaws in Flash (besides the issues with the camera and mic) |
| 03:13.19 | Colonel_Panic | that make it such a hazard |
| 03:14.20 | essial | flash, java, and microsoft office are the 3 most insecure apps on the market |
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| 03:14.41 | Colonel_Panic | OK I came in here with a simple question and am getting nothing but arguments |
| 03:14.51 | Colonel_Panic | I am assuming you guys don't know the answer |
| 03:15.20 | Colonel_Panic | guess I'm not going to get this one solved right away |
| 03:16.32 | essial | ... did I not just say flash was working out of the box for me... whatever :p |
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| 03:17.13 | kenboo | where can I download packages for etch? (I know etch is end-of-life) |
| 03:17.46 | Lovecraft | archive.debian.org may have them. |
| 03:17.53 | Lovecraft | ftp:// |
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| 03:19.18 | kenboo | Thank you!!!! |
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| 03:23.11 | chilli0 | Hi , If i type mount /dev/sdb1 /media/meida |
| 03:23.14 | chilli0 | Hi , If i type mount /dev/sdb1 /media/media * |
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| 03:23.45 | chilli0 | It works fine. But if i try this in my fstab it doesn't work I get bad fstype. /dev/sdb1 /media/media ntfs 0 0 |
| 03:25.52 | essial | hrm |
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| 03:28.47 | cast | chilli0: you forgot the options field |
| 03:29.08 | chilli0 | cast, Shouldn't matter. It has worked before no problems. but what do you think should be there? |
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| 03:30.16 | cast | you're the boss |
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| 03:34.55 | cheasee | i copied libs and partprobe binary to my remote running d-i, ran it but still i get errors, the disks are in use... http://pastebin.com/z12AtWfM how do i fix that so i may repartition and install? |
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| 03:37.54 | bintut | waves |
| 03:38.27 | bintut | what is your preferred filesystem when the clients are *nix and windows other than by using samba? |
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| 03:38.50 | Colonel_Panic | Hey I got Flash working |
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| 03:40.23 | Colonel_Panic | It's still early. There's still time to go out for a beer! |
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| 03:42.47 | chilli0 | I have mounted an external hard drive from /dev/sdb1 to /media/media |
| 03:42.54 | chilli0 | ( via fstab) |
| 03:43.16 | chilli0 | If I log into root I can access the files and all. But if I log in as my normal user I get Permission denied. |
| 03:43.22 | cast | bintut: asking the same question in multiple different distro channels, is a good way to annoy people ;\, like chilli0 does |
| 03:43.52 | chilli0 | cast, Not to sure how It does anyone people. |
| 03:44.12 | cast | i can assure you ubuntu users asking questions here *does* |
| 03:44.24 | cast | as does the converse |
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| 03:44.40 | chilli0 | I don't see how. Because it will work either way. |
| 03:45.01 | chilli0 | If one doesn't get the help, then he can ask somewhere else. |
| 03:45.18 | cast | this is a debian channel, we talk about debian |
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| 03:45.54 | cast | we don't really care about ubuntu, which contrary to your opinion, does not function in the same manner |
| 03:46.21 | chilli0 | I was not asking about ubuntu. I was asking ubuntu about debian , which is based of debian. |
| 03:47.56 | epsilon | chilli0: ntfs? |
| 03:48.00 | chilli0 | Yes. |
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| 03:49.05 | epsilon | use filesystem ntfs-3g and options user=<your username in linux>,gid=<your groupname in linux> |
| 03:49.42 | epsilon | man mount, man fstab and google will give you examples |
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| 03:50.03 | chilli0 | epsilon, I will not be changing the file system.( I can't) |
| 03:50.20 | chilli0 | The hard drive is 500 gig. The biggest we have. And it's almost full. |
| 03:50.28 | chilli0 | So I would have to remove all of the stuff on it. |
| 03:50.36 | epsilon | it's more like choosing the driver, the fs itself won't change |
| 03:50.55 | chilli0 | Oh. |
| 03:51.05 | chilli0 | Oh =P |
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| 03:51.41 | chilli0 | does the user name have to be in "" ? |
| 03:51.44 | chilli0 | or just user=media? |
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| 03:52.35 | epsilon | google for examples, there should be tons |
| 03:52.40 | chilli0 | kay thanks. |
| 03:53.04 | epsilon | but usualy not |
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| 03:53.15 | chilli0 | Also I get unknown file system ntfs-3g |
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| 03:53.27 | epsilon | IIRC you can user numerious UID/GID, so like 1000 |
| 03:54.07 | SnakDoc | i just installed smarty and tried to use locate but am unable to find it any suggestions ? |
| 03:54.11 | epsilon | lenny? just install the package, same name |
| 03:54.16 | bintut | cast: that is if you are on the other channel where i am also asking the same question. i am asking for suggestion not a solution or something to troubleshoot an issue.. |
| 03:54.26 | chilli0 | Yeah I tried that. |
| 03:54.39 | chilli0 | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ntfs-3g" |
| 03:54.39 | chilli0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.55 | epsilon | lenny has that üackage |
| 03:55.18 | chilli0 | My sources might be screwed. |
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| 03:55.56 | epsilon | then you are fucked up |
| 03:56.04 | chilli0 | .. |
| 03:56.39 | bintut | thanks guys for your suggestions |
| 03:56.47 | bintut | actually, i was waiting for someone who will be suggesting sshfs, nfsv4, openafs, etc.. but no one able to mention it as i already explicitly except for samba |
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| 03:57.35 | cast | bintut: now i have to read your fishing at least TWICE |
| 03:58.04 | bintut | cast: #debian != #ubuntu |
| 03:58.48 | bintut | cast: if you're annoyed as i am getting my own kinda survey based on the actual experiences, then please ignore me |
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| 04:01.22 | chilli0 | If I have a static IP and its setup like so. http://pastebin.com/1jaG8s40 |
| 04:01.38 | chilli0 | How do I define the DNS? ( dns isn't working) |
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| 04:02.20 | iluminator101 | hey guys |
| 04:02.41 | cast | hello iluminator101 |
| 04:02.42 | iluminator101 | i trying to fix the pc, its blinking orange light and this siren sound what does that mean |
| 04:02.50 | iluminator101 | when it boots up |
| 04:03.11 | cast | is it listed in the motherboard/bios manual? |
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| 04:03.54 | valbaca | iluminator101: it sounds like bad memory or failed hard drive |
| 04:04.25 | Aimee | Hello, I've run into a small problem that's kinda inhibiting my ability to install everything correctly from this netinstall disc |
| 04:04.26 | iluminator101 | ah hardrive is busted...let me see i can fish another one out |
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| 04:05.37 | Aimee | it's trying to tell me that every mirror for packages that I select is bad |
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| 04:05.58 | cast | is it actually managing to connect to the internet? |
| 04:06.04 | chilli0 | What is the default source.list file meant to look like? I tried a bit of google but just not happening. |
| 04:06.11 | Aimee | cast: Yes |
| 04:06.34 | Aimee | in my debug window it's saying "WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze) |
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| 04:06.37 | Aimee | " |
| 04:06.58 | cast | hmmm. you can get a base system from the netinst cd without any need for network access, i'd probably do that then setup apt, but thats merely working around my ignorance in debugging netinst network/apt issues |
| 04:07.25 | Aimee | it's working fine from what i can see, just that it's dumb as crap |
| 04:07.26 | cast | have you confirmed the mirrors selected *do* support squeeze? |
| 04:07.35 | Aimee | I'm using ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 04:07.43 | Aimee | if that doesnt |
| 04:07.46 | Aimee | then which mirror does |
| 04:07.46 | Aimee | -.- |
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| 04:09.26 | cast | hmm, looks like it supports squeeze. i'd just do the base install as mentioned and sort it out from within the OS |
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| 04:11.01 | Aimee | alright |
| 04:11.19 | Aimee | I'll stick around with my laptop in case I need help which I'll most undoubtedly need |
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| 04:11.39 | dexterddit | hey guys if have default gateway but i only want to use one how do i permanently delete it from route ? |
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| 05:27.21 | phorce1_home | is there a way to get debmirror to ignore locking status? My mirror directories are on a removable ntfs drive. |
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| 05:33.52 | nsadmin | phorce1_home: are debian mirror files meant for a filesystem that doesn't have unix-like semantics? or would that break the mirror? |
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| 05:36.45 | DanDare | For Lenny, after power loss system will always perform fsck on the main disk, considering the default installation configs? (1 partition containing all the directories structures) |
| 05:36.55 | phorce1_home | nsadmin: the mirror works fine, I just can't update it from my lenny machine. I originally created it on a windows machine using a python app I found. I put it on an ntfs removable drive so I could move it around easily |
| 05:37.16 | phorce1_home | (easier to read NTFS from linux that to read ext3 from Winblows) |
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| 05:40.38 | nsadmin | DanDare: if / partition was not mounted cleanly, fsck will be performed on next reboot |
| 05:40.43 | nsadmin | s./.any. |
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| 05:40.53 | DanDare | nsadmin allright, thanks |
| 05:40.56 | hebz0rl_ | hello how can i see if exim4 uses encryption in server to server communication? |
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| 05:41.34 | DanDare | nsadmin, you mean / partition "was not _umounted_ cleanly" intead, right ? |
| 05:41.42 | nsadmin | right |
| 05:41.45 | DanDare | thanks |
| 05:42.04 | nsadmin | that is, if, say, power fails |
| 05:42.25 | nsadmin | which would make all partitions "dirty" |
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| 05:44.45 | sticky_ | So |
| 05:44.48 | sticky_ | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/07/afghanistan_july_2010.html#photo45 |
| 05:45.00 | sticky_ | I'm nearly 100% sure that's my cousin on that chopper |
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| 05:45.24 | sticky_ | And I posted that on the wrong channel, dangit |
| 05:45.32 | sticky | Sorry, carry on |
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| 06:00.02 | phorce1_home | ok, fascinating. Even though 'mount' says the ntfs partition is mounted rw I can't write to it, even as root (permission denied) |
| 06:01.33 | reisio | phorce1_home: how'd you mount it? |
| 06:02.54 | phorce1_home | reisio: I just remounted it with ntfs-3g and it's working |
| 06:03.16 | phorce1_home | must have mounted it with the old ntfs driver the first time |
| 06:04.30 | reisio | mmm |
| 06:04.33 | phorce1_home | and now debmirror works |
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| 06:05.00 | reisio | gj |
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| 06:15.46 | phorce1_home | ahh, didn't have the debian archive keyring in the file debmirror was loooking for |
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| 06:17.04 | phorce1_home | Zoom ---> Downloaded 37 MiB in 57s at 650.76 kiB/s |
| 06:17.16 | hebz0rl_ | hi can i configure the mailto feature of sudo to just send one email every hour listing every usage of sudo and not one email for every usage? |
| 06:17.33 | phorce1_home | (dry-run goes REALLY fast) ;-) |
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| 06:39.39 | tilt | good evening :) |
| 06:39.56 | aimee | good evening, and good night |
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| 07:12.12 | simplechat | Hey guys, does the default debian kernel support booting from an lvm? |
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| 07:12.30 | sticky | as far as I know |
| 07:12.31 | tilt | simplechat: yes |
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| 07:13.21 | simplechat | so if i have an existing debian install on a separate /boot partition, i can move / over to an lvm easily? |
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| 07:13.55 | cast | can /boot be on lvm? |
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| 07:14.36 | simplechat | I'm not sure |
| 07:14.49 | simplechat | has ssh into a server, and wants to rebuild it onto lvms entirely |
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| 07:17.01 | OpenTokix | simplechat: yes |
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| 07:17.07 | OpenTokix | cast: no, not with grub |
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| 07:17.41 | OpenTokix | simplechat: I would not do / on lvm over ssh, to many pitfalls. - Ie. moving it over |
| 07:18.09 | OpenTokix | simplechat: But you need a /boot of some 200M that is not lvm, for grub to be able to boot it. |
| 07:18.13 | cast | OpenTokix: oh, and with lilo? |
| 07:18.33 | OpenTokix | cast: I think you can with lilo, 99% sure |
| 07:18.44 | cast | nods |
| 07:18.50 | cast | i don't use lilo so its a bit moot, |
| 07:19.01 | JairunCaloth | what about grub2? |
| 07:19.11 | simplechat | I know grub2 can use it |
| 07:19.16 | simplechat | i already have a /boot |
| 07:19.31 | simplechat | can you resize a pg? |
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| 07:20.04 | cast | pv? |
| 07:20.11 | cast | pg isn't an lvm term |
| 07:20.42 | simplechat | *pv sorry |
| 07:20.49 | simplechat | damnit, today seems to be tpo day for me |
| 07:20.51 | simplechat | ..... |
| 07:20.58 | tilt | pv = physical volume |
| 07:21.05 | tilt | i.e. disk partition |
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| 07:21.46 | simplechat | yeah |
| 07:21.49 | simplechat | can i resize that? |
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| 07:22.18 | tilt | i think so, yes |
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| 07:22.22 | tilt | lemme check |
| 07:22.34 | cast | theres a pvresize cmd |
| 07:22.55 | cast | but i don't want to jump to any conclusions |
| 07:23.07 | simplechat | kk |
| 07:23.13 | simplechat | this is going to be fun |
| 07:23.39 | cast | does the box have a system controller? |
| 07:23.53 | simplechat | mm? |
| 07:23.58 | simplechat | system controller? |
| 07:24.50 | tilt | simplechat: "pvresize - resize a disk or partition in use by LVM2" |
| 07:25.02 | tilt | then you probably work up the chain |
| 07:25.21 | simplechat | this is going to be cool :D |
| 07:25.27 | cast | alom/ilom/ilo/ |
| 07:25.32 | simplechat | because i've already rebuilt this machine once via ssh |
| 07:25.36 | simplechat | its time to do it again :) |
| 07:25.45 | tilt | simplechat: it can pretty much be done live |
| 07:25.53 | tilt | simplechat: 1 reboot max |
| 07:26.00 | simplechat | cool |
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| 07:26.46 | simplechat | is there anything i need to know beforehand?> |
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| 07:27.27 | cast | yeah, think very carefully before pushing enter |
| 07:27.41 | simplechat | lol |
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| 07:27.48 | simplechat | it is insanely cool though |
| 07:28.03 | simplechat | being able to just update a computer that you can only access via ssh |
| 07:28.45 | cast | quite. |
| 07:28.49 | rozie | it isn't cool. it's normal |
| 07:29.16 | simplechat | rozie, if you can do this with a windows box, i'll be freaking impressed |
| 07:29.18 | cast | rozie: normal to some |
| 07:29.59 | rozie | simplechat: should be also possible with a little help of VNC |
| 07:30.12 | simplechat | how? |
| 07:30.45 | rozie | connect with VNC and you have full access |
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| 07:31.42 | simplechat | rozie, full admin access yeah, but you can't do a reinstall with only admin access |
| 07:32.10 | rozie | powershell also has big potential (but I don't know it and scripts I saw were weird) |
| 07:32.32 | simplechat | I know |
| 07:32.37 | rozie | simplechat: upgrade != reinstall |
| 07:32.37 | cast | the potential...to bring windows up to where we were a few decades ago :) |
| 07:32.38 | simplechat | but neither of them will let you reinstall your machine remotely |
| 07:32.47 | fxiny | windows ? they had such wonderful tools like bo and bo2k in the past for remote access :P |
| 07:32.52 | simplechat | rozie, i'm doing a remote reinstall :) |
| 07:33.11 | simplechat | and if i felt like it i could do a remote reinstall to windows or solaris or whatever |
| 07:33.16 | simplechat | without needing any hw support :d |
| 07:33.26 | simplechat | thinks linux is cool like that :) |
| 07:33.26 | rozie | simplechat: you cannot reinstall without working system on separate partiton |
| 07:33.35 | simplechat | sure you can |
| 07:33.42 | rozie | (or some kind of liveCD) |
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| 07:34.10 | rozie | simplechat: how? any link? |
| 07:34.10 | cast | rozie: thats not true at all |
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| 07:34.22 | simonrvn | pull an update for an httpd from same server the httpd is getting updated for. ;) |
| 07:34.43 | simplechat | rozie, i'm not sure if its documented, but i know its fairly easy to do |
| 07:34.48 | simplechat | it just requires some basic unix knowledge |
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| 07:35.16 | rozie | would be glad to hear about this |
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| 07:35.17 | simonrvn | rolls his own stuff |
| 07:35.24 | simplechat | like when i rebuilt this server, i debootstrapped a new install into /dev/shm |
| 07:35.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:35.38 | simplechat | mount --bind'd /proc, /dev and /sys into the chroot |
| 07:35.41 | simonrvn | cute :) |
| 07:35.42 | simplechat | then chrooted into the chroot :) |
| 07:35.48 | rozie | as a reinstall I understand situation, where I have single /dev/sda |
| 07:35.52 | simplechat | i now have a system running on a ramdisk that isn't doing to die when i play with the disks |
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| 07:35.55 | rozie | with one partition |
| 07:36.03 | simplechat | rozie, /dev/shm is a ramdisk created by default by the kernel |
| 07:36.06 | simonrvn | a la "ramdisk" install i did on a mac os 9 box i did once |
| 07:36.09 | simplechat | you build your install into ram then build another one onto disk |
| 07:36.13 | rozie | and I can change filesystem on /dev/sda1 |
| 07:36.17 | simplechat | simonrvn, its cool hax |
| 07:36.18 | simplechat | :) |
| 07:36.18 | fxiny | simplechat: /dev/shm ? nice one |
| 07:36.35 | simplechat | thanks :) |
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| 07:37.02 | simplechat | but yeah, once there, set up a new chroot (i called it newroot, but meh) |
| 07:37.07 | simonrvn | on the mac os box, i had booted to it too - with a bit of hackage you could probably pull the same off on a linux one |
| 07:37.10 | rozie | simplechat: I understand (use debootstrap pretty often) |
| 07:37.28 | simplechat | then run rsync -avPh --delete-after /newroot /root (with /root being the mountpoint of your systems /) |
| 07:37.31 | rozie | so you debootstrap to /dev/shm, bind |
| 07:37.40 | simplechat | bind so that your chroot can see the actual disks |
| 07:37.47 | simplechat | then build a second system within the chroot |
| 07:37.51 | simplechat | then rsync the second system onto your box |
| 07:37.58 | rozie | then you run cfdisk, repartition /dev/sda, create FS |
| 07:38.06 | simplechat | yeah |
| 07:38.25 | rozie | and then debootstrap to created (and mounted) /dev/sda1? |
| 07:38.34 | simplechat | after you've done your rsync |
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| 07:39.06 | rozie | well, after rsync and grub install you can just reboot, probably |
| 07:39.13 | simplechat | no |
| 07:39.19 | rozie | but I see some flaws |
| 07:39.26 | simplechat | because you don't have a /etc/fstab (which would make you rather sad) |
| 07:39.57 | simplechat | so give yourself a usable /etc/fstab (include proc, /boot, etc.) then set up say /etc/network/interfaces so it has the right ip and install openssh-server (and set a password/user for yourself) |
| 07:40.04 | rozie | should work with empty fstab..., but yes, some config is needed |
| 07:40.09 | simplechat | in my case i had to set up raid |
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| 07:40.19 | rozie | but there are some flaws in this |
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| 07:40.48 | rozie | 1. you need to have pretty much memory (/dev/shm at least 256 MB, probably 512) |
| 07:40.59 | simplechat | yeah |
| 07:41.05 | simplechat | well i'm doing this on a xen cluster |
| 07:41.08 | simplechat | so we have plenty of ram |
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| 07:41.15 | simplechat | (and most servers generally have heaps of ram) |
| 07:41.17 | rozie | 2. it's not full reinstall (cannot change that way from 32bit system to 64bit) |
| 07:41.27 | simplechat | sure you can |
| 07:41.44 | rozie | only if you already have 64bit kernel |
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| 07:41.49 | simplechat | if you felt like it from that chroot you can run something like qemu, pass it through your hard disks and install |
| 07:41.57 | simplechat | thats also how you'd transition from debian to say windows if required |
| 07:42.22 | rozie | anyway, cool idea |
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| 07:42.32 | simplechat | it is fun |
| 07:43.04 | rozie | i usually turned off swap, installed (debootstrap) system to this partition, rebooted (to have fully 64bit OS) |
| 07:43.23 | simplechat | yeah |
| 07:43.29 | simplechat | this is basically the same, just using ram rather then swap |
| 07:43.30 | rozie | then installed from it (debootstrap again) system on target partition |
| 07:43.36 | simplechat | hmmm |
| 07:43.42 | simplechat | rozie, so, can you do this in windows :) |
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| 07:44.09 | rozie | simplechat: haven't use windows for years, so can't tell |
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| 07:44.17 | simplechat | kk |
| 07:44.28 | alcy | folks, is there a way to use backports without specifying -t lenny-backports ? |
| 07:44.47 | rozie | alcy: read about apt pinning |
| 07:45.25 | alcy | rozie: yeah, but that would require manually pinning for all dependencies right ? |
| 07:45.27 | rozie | trick with ramdisk is pretty funny |
| 07:45.37 | simplechat | hmmm |
| 07:45.40 | simplechat | i should probably blog about it :) |
| 07:46.01 | rozie | simplechat: yes :-) |
| 07:46.15 | simplechat | :D |
| 07:46.17 | simplechat | shall do |
| 07:46.23 | simplechat | if/when i finish this server :D |
| 07:46.23 | rozie | alcy: man apt_preferences |
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| 07:54.41 | premkani | hello all |
| 07:54.53 | simplechat | Hey :) |
| 07:55.00 | reisio | hi |
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| 07:56.56 | molqr | premkani, hello sexy |
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| 07:58.36 | simplechat | Hey guys, if i'm setting up an lvm mountpoint |
| 07:58.57 | simplechat | in grub do i just go root=/dev/[vg]/[lv] |
| 07:58.58 | simplechat | ? |
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| 08:00.32 | cast | /dev/mapper/vg-lv is how mine goes |
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| 08:00.58 | simplechat | do i need to do anything else? |
| 08:01.02 | simplechat | i'm running lvm over raid |
| 08:01.20 | premkani | hello all, In my laptop I had Ubuntu and Windows Vista installed. I lost the entry of Windows in the partition table. Now I am trying to recover the data from Windows Partition. I installed Debian 5.0 in the Ubuntu partition. I tried Photorec to recover the files. I selected the zip file formats to recover docx files. I could not get all the files. Is there any other way to recover the docx files? |
| 08:01.21 | simplechat | if so, how would i get grub to automatically update properly |
| 08:01.30 | simplechat | (its still giving me /dev/md1 rather then /dev/....) |
| 08:01.56 | simplechat | premkani, first thing you should do is dd a copy of the partition to a new disk |
| 08:02.04 | simplechat | to make sure that no matter what happens you arn't going to lose any data |
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| 08:04.21 | premkani | simplechat, ok. thanks for the suggestion. I have not altered the partition of the hard disk. Now I have debian and a raw disk where Windows was there earlier. I wish to recover the NTFS windows partition only |
| 08:04.31 | molqr | simplechat, premkani as far as i know... premkani only wants to recover the data contained in the windows partition.. can we dd just that partition? and what after dd |
| 08:04.40 | fxiny | premkani: vista ? don't think gpart can guess ntfs |
| 08:04.45 | simplechat | ? |
| 08:05.19 | simplechat | premkani, its just one of these things. You always dd a backup off before you start recovery. (Just in case something goes wrong/etc.) |
| 08:05.29 | molqr | simplechat, i see.. |
| 08:05.45 | molqr | fxiny, r u sure? |
| 08:05.45 | premkani | fxiny, I could not identify the partition as ntfs. Actually gpart and cfdisk shows the partition as a raw disk |
| 08:05.51 | simplechat | You should just be able to restore the partition if the fs is still there and undamaged |
| 08:06.54 | fxiny | molqr: NT/2000 ? |
| 08:07.24 | premkani | simplechat, ok. thank you. I will do a disk dump. What am I supposed to do so that the partition will get identified as ntfs? |
| 08:07.42 | fxiny | premkani: what's right after ntfs ? ext3 ? |
| 08:07.43 | simplechat | That i'm not sure of |
| 08:08.31 | fxiny | premkani: run gpart and ro mount it |
| 08:08.31 | simplechat | Check out http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Helix3 |
| 08:08.37 | molqr | fxiny, i just confirmed.. gparted CAN identify ntfs ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GParted |
| 08:08.46 | fxiny | molqr: good :) |
| 08:08.50 | fxiny | premkani: ^^^ |
| 08:08.57 | simplechat | molqr, its probably been slightly overwritten on the edges |
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| 08:09.54 | molqr | simplechat, english is not a strongpoint of mine... so ``overwritten on the edges" means what? |
| 08:10.03 | fxiny | molqr: gparted ? i'm talking g as guess part |
| 08:10.10 | molqr | lol :P |
| 08:10.11 | simplechat | molqr, 99% of your data is still there, but something overwrite the ends of the partition |
| 08:10.17 | simplechat | just enough that it isn't being autorecognised |
| 08:10.18 | simplechat | iirc |
| 08:10.28 | molqr | simplechat, i understand ... |
| 08:11.04 | molqr | actually the problem premkani is facing began with an overlap of partitions... which he wanted to fix using testdisk |
| 08:12.24 | fxiny | i spent an afternoon with trial and error mounting ro trying to recover 10 R.E.M from a deleted logical , then i gave up |
| 08:12.25 | simplechat | hmmm |
| 08:12.49 | fxiny | but that is because extended is a b* |
| 08:13.17 | fxiny | a primary can be recovered easy |
| 08:14.10 | fxiny | and nfts starts from the beginning : half job already done |
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| 08:17.10 | pallgone | I can source for example .profile, but it only affects the current shell process, is it somehow possible to affect the whole system without having to log out and back in? |
| 08:18.09 | simplechat | pallgone, not really, no |
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| 08:19.39 | premkani | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.21 | pallgone | simplechat: hmm... I don't give up so easily... I'll let you know when I find the hack :) |
| 08:20.26 | simplechat | Do i need any kernel options to boot via lvm? |
| 08:20.39 | simplechat | its just that i don't have an ippdu on the other side, so if it doesn't come up i'm surprisingly boned |
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| 08:20.42 | OpenTokix | simplechat: no |
| 08:20.45 | simplechat | pallgone, its not that hard |
| 08:20.51 | simplechat | OpenTokix, and does raid and lvm work? |
| 08:20.54 | OpenTokix | simplechat: initrd is a nice thing to have |
| 08:20.58 | OpenTokix | simplechat: sw raid? |
| 08:21.01 | simplechat | do i need to update my initrc |
| 08:21.03 | simplechat | yes |
| 08:21.04 | simplechat | mdadm |
| 08:21.06 | simplechat | i've genned a mdadm config |
| 08:21.10 | OpenTokix | simplechat: I dont know, I only use hw raid |
| 08:21.17 | simplechat | kk |
| 08:21.23 | tilt | sw raid! |
| 08:21.26 | tilt | runs away |
| 08:21.35 | tilt | .o(dooon't) |
| 08:21.36 | simplechat | tilt, whats wrong with sw raid? |
| 08:21.42 | tilt | it's too slow :D |
| 08:21.44 | simplechat | mdadm is surprisingly awesome :D |
| 08:21.45 | tilt | only hw raid!! |
| 08:21.51 | simplechat | ? |
| 08:22.00 | simplechat | mdadm ownages up the hw raid on the servers we have |
| 08:22.17 | tilt | simplechat: if i compare my sw raid w my hw raid servers, i say the hw ones win |
| 08:22.31 | cast | mdadm enables a fair bit of flexability too :) |
| 08:22.42 | tilt | simplechat: do you monitor multiple servers w sw raid storage? |
| 08:22.50 | cast | including the "oh damn these two boxes have different raid controllers" problem |
| 08:22.50 | simplechat | yeah |
| 08:23.00 | simplechat | cast, which generally sucks |
| 08:23.05 | cast | quite. |
| 08:23.25 | tilt | well ok, theres lots of hw raid controllers |
| 08:23.27 | simplechat | or the "Hey, i've just gotten another four servers.... *plug hdd in, plug other hdd in, a little fdisk magic and let mdadm rebuild* |
| 08:23.37 | tilt | i run on lsi & such |
| 08:24.07 | OpenTokix | I run on areca controllers |
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| 08:24.34 | simplechat | cool |
| 08:24.44 | simplechat | yeah, i'm trying to build a small cluster on the cheap :D |
| 08:24.44 | tilt | i think hw raid has a huge maintainance bonus |
| 08:25.07 | cast | oh, how? |
| 08:25.15 | tilt | simplechat: gbit network storage? :) |
| 08:25.28 | simplechat | tilt, 4x gigE |
| 08:25.34 | tilt | wee :) |
| 08:25.35 | simplechat | moving to 4x gigE + drbd over IB |
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| 08:25.45 | simplechat | IB is so cheap for what it is :) |
| 08:25.50 | simplechat | 10 gigs/second for like $70/node |
| 08:26.00 | simplechat | compared to 10GE |
| 08:26.03 | tilt | sounds nice indeed |
| 08:26.13 | tilt | yeah the ethernet stuff is out of reach |
| 08:26.19 | simplechat | yeah, total cost is about 150/sever |
| 08:26.20 | tilt | what is IB? |
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| 08:26.32 | simplechat | for dual xeons, 8 gigs of ram, 4x500 gig WD blacks, etc. |
| 08:26.41 | simplechat | well, maybe 300 including the disks & that |
| 08:26.43 | simplechat | infiniband |
| 08:26.47 | tilt | oha :)) |
| 08:27.00 | tilt | separate storage boxen :) |
| 08:27.10 | simplechat | nah |
| 08:27.10 | tilt | well i dont have that, i run a herd of _small_ servers |
| 08:27.12 | simplechat | no need :) |
| 08:27.19 | simplechat | they all have storage and compute |
| 08:27.20 | tilt | ok |
| 08:27.25 | simplechat | tilt, how small? |
| 08:27.27 | tilt | i only know external s-ata bay |
| 08:27.47 | tilt | simplechat: largest are 2 node clusters of standard amd/intel servers |
| 08:28.29 | simplechat | yeah |
| 08:28.33 | simplechat | we had four that are now a test cluster |
| 08:28.40 | simplechat | they're allright, they just have a nasty habit of breaking :( |
| 08:28.42 | simplechat | damn desktop boards |
| 08:28.54 | tilt | yeah well i also run a "system" of 4 computers and more |
| 08:29.03 | tilt | plus im netadmin ina lan w linux servers |
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| 08:29.14 | simplechat | cool |
| 08:29.14 | simplechat | :) |
| 08:29.21 | tilt | and i code |
| 08:29.25 | tilt | :D web stuff |
| 08:29.44 | tilt | im much into cloud computing these days |
| 08:29.48 | simplechat | sweet |
| 08:29.52 | tilt | i mean besides the buzzword |
| 08:30.06 | bintut | waves.. gtg now.. thanks.. |
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| 08:30.39 | tilt | simplechat: global computing is actually difficult |
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| 08:30.46 | tilt | simplechat: :) so much i found out |
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| 08:50.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | How do the developers decide which packages will go onto the first DVD, second etc? Do they get put in order of popularity or something? |
| 08:50.56 | icebrain | !popcon |
| 08:50.56 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 08:51.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok just wanted to make sure what i thought was right. Thanks |
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| 08:53.56 | judgen | Good morning mates. |
| 08:54.24 | icebrain | 'morning |
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| 09:01.54 | laust | Hi everyone |
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| 09:08.44 | cast | does one need any port forwarding to use NFSv4 on a client behind nat? |
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| 09:16.19 | tilt | well well :D |
| 09:16.25 | tilt | i think ill buy some beer next door |
| 09:16.27 | tilt | :) |
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| 09:17.27 | laust | i would like to create a locale that doesn't seem to exist, can anyone give me hints how to proceed to make it clean? |
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| 09:19.34 | icebrain | laust: dpkg-reconfigure locales, afaik |
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| 09:47.40 | dennda | When using the ftp command line program and sending a large file to the ftp server via `put myfile.zip`, should there be a progress bar coming up in ASCII? |
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| 09:48.07 | cast | depends on the client |
| 09:48.14 | cast | not sure specifically for 'ftp' |
| 09:48.30 | cast | i tend to use more featureful clients :) |
| 09:48.54 | dennda | I am talking about the program that comes with the 'ftp' package. |
| 09:48.57 | cast | i imagine if you're not seeing one, and its not mentioned in the manual, it aint there |
| 09:49.58 | dennda | I have reasson to believe it's not actually sending anything, because no progress bar is coming up. On OSX, using a CL program with the same name shows the progress bars, but that might be due to a patch. However, the debian box should long have finished uploading and that makes me suspicious. |
| 09:50.19 | cast | have a look at the network traffic |
| 09:51.22 | dennda | cast: How would I do that? |
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| 09:52.38 | cast | iptraf, tcpdump, ngrep, up to you |
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| 09:58.41 | fbh | you could install ncftpput instead iirc there's a progress bar in that |
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| 10:02.52 | petemc | theres also the standard ftp command hash for a kind of progress bar |
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| 10:20.35 | o2T7 | I'm trying to package a single script version controlled by git. Does it make any sense to use git-buildpackage when no building is needed? (just to put files in place and specify dependencies)? |
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| 10:53.58 | dennda | Ok, apparently it did transfer without a progress bar, though I wonder why it did it at 170KB/s only. Thanks anyway |
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| 11:00.04 | Guthur | I a few USB devices that if connected while booting cause a stream of function calls to be displayed and then hangs, the device work fine when connected after boot. |
| 11:00.08 | Guthur | any ideas? |
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| 11:01.55 | qwd | Guthur: disconnect them? ;) |
| 11:02.22 | Guthur | hehe, ye, I was kind of hoping for a more subtle solution |
| 11:02.35 | Zharf | don't boot |
| 11:02.43 | abrotman | Guthur: you may have to alter your BIOS settings |
| 11:02.55 | Guthur | Zharf, not sure if that was in the right direction of subtle |
| 11:03.20 | Guthur | abrotman, oh, never considered that. |
| 11:03.45 | abrotman | Guthur: i had a system somewhat like that .. if the USB HDD was attached, the whole thing would hang |
| 11:04.08 | abrotman | guess it had something to do with the way the devices were probed ... NFC |
| 11:04.29 | Guthur | abrotman, Did you manage to get a fix? |
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| 11:06.09 | abrotman | yeah, changing the BIOS :) |
| 11:06.26 | Guthur | oh cool, I'll give it a go |
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| 11:06.47 | abrotman | is one of your devices a storage device ? |
| 11:07.42 | Guthur | Not at the minute, but I think I have had the same trouble with a memory pen before |
| 11:08.18 | Guthur | The other two are a very old mouse and a USB JTAG adapter |
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| 11:10.12 | Guthur | right, time to report and tinker |
| 11:10.22 | Guthur | erm reboot* |
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| 11:14.49 | theplic | hi all |
| 11:14.58 | theplic | im not able to install setuptools for python |
| 11:15.54 | abrotman | is there an error? |
| 11:16.28 | theplic | abrotman: synaptic says package not found |
| 11:17.16 | theplic | damn they are here. i have to run. bye |
| 11:17.32 | abrotman | MIB ? |
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| 11:34.17 | Innocentus | hi ho people |
| 11:34.23 | Innocentus | anyone time for little problems ? :) |
| 11:34.39 | cast | ask away |
| 11:34.48 | Innocentus | yea |
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| 11:34.56 | Innocentus | I want to list all files which are not under package control |
| 11:34.59 | Innocentus | is there a way? |
| 11:35.07 | Innocentus | Because I want to clean my goo'old debian |
| 11:35.56 | cast | interesting |
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| 11:36.06 | cast | i can think of ways, but they'll be hell slow |
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| 11:36.31 | Alver | Mhmm |
| 11:36.42 | Alver | dpkg -l, -L, find |
| 11:36.42 | dpkg | Alver: no idea |
| 11:36.50 | Alver | puts a cork in dpkg. |
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| 11:38.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | Whats the safest way to take a default installation and strip it down to just the basic install? |
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| 11:39.01 | Alver | LinuxGuy2009: why take a default installation if you can use the expert install and get a basic install right away? |
| 11:39.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | I want to do this and build it up from the basic system. |
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| 11:40.01 | Alver | LinuxGuy2009: boot a minimal network install cd, select "expert install", and uncheck all package groups when it asks you |
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| 11:41.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | reinstalling is a bit pointless |
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| 11:41.38 | thewanderer1 | I'm getting an error in Enigmail when I try to add a per-recipient rule |
| 11:42.02 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: you can use aptitude interactively ... |
| 11:42.04 | Alver | LinuxGuy2009: hrm? You have a working installation, and want to revert to a base install? |
| 11:42.12 | abrotman | aptitude purge '~pstandard' might be a decent start |
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| 11:42.50 | abrotman | actually .. don't purge .. just remove |
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| 11:43.15 | icebrain | Innocentus: dpkg -l|cut -d\ -f 3 | tail -n+6|while read line; do dpkg -L "$line"; done |
| 11:43.23 | icebrain | lists all files from all packages |
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| 11:43.35 | icebrain | seems to work ok here |
| 11:43.50 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: doesn't aptitude purge '~pstandard' remove all "standard" priority packages? |
| 11:43.57 | abrotman | it would, yes |
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| 11:44.12 | abrotman | though he probably wants 'remove' instead of 'purge' |
| 11:44.13 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: don't you mean optional? |
| 11:44.16 | abrotman | thewanderer1: nope |
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| 11:44.40 | thewanderer1 | will 'standard' also match 'optional'? |
| 11:44.45 | abrotman | nope |
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| 11:45.03 | thewanderer1 | oh, ok |
| 11:45.05 | abrotman | he can remove that also |
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| 11:46.59 | thewanderer1 | I seem to have a problem with Enigmail - it bugs out on adding per-recipient GPG rules, but only when using pl_PL. using LANG=C, the problem doesn't occur |
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| 11:47.14 | thewanderer1 | I'm seeing "XML parsing error" |
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| 11:48.08 | thewanderer1 | oh, looks like it's fixed in upstream |
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| 11:49.13 | o2T7 | I'm missing something key in dh_*. I have my debian/[...] files, but the scripts (i.e. dh_installman) don't copy them to the system's filesystem when installing the deb package. Why? |
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| 11:51.37 | Guthur | appears like it may have been the legacy USB support causing the issues |
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| 11:52.40 | abrotman | in the bios? |
| 11:52.44 | Guthur | Ya |
| 11:53.03 | Guthur | Now to make sure my JTAG adapter still works |
| 11:53.53 | Guthur | yep, cool, thanks abrotman |
| 11:54.23 | abrotman | have fun |
| 11:54.53 | Guthur | hehe, will do |
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| 11:55.56 | o2T7 | Should't I make packaging related questions here? |
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| 11:57.50 | thewanderer1 | o2T7: you can, but it's not like we're all packaging gurus and are able to instantly help you |
| 11:59.04 | abrotman | o2T7: there's also #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:59.51 | o2T7 | I thought that debhelper was more popular, sorry. |
| 12:00.03 | otto1 | ?multimedia |
| 12:00.19 | otto1 | !multimedia |
| 12:00.19 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 12:09.06 | jalalsfs | Can I download text archive of conversation of Debian Channel? |
| 12:10.01 | Innocentus | look at the top: channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 12:10.03 | Innocentus | hehe |
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| 12:10.32 | jalalsfs | Innocentus: Thank you so much. |
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| 12:11.47 | Innocentus | o.O - now they can read my nasty messages in the logs :/ |
| 12:12.36 | jalalsfs | Innocentus: haha |
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| 12:23.20 | dockimble | im looking for something like rhythmbox but to be run solely from the command line |
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| 12:24.16 | icebrain | dockimble: I use MPD + ncmpcpp |
| 12:24.26 | icebrain | don't know if it does all you want |
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| 12:26.03 | Traveler6 | Hello all response italian? |
| 12:26.26 | icebrain | !it |
| 12:26.26 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:26.34 | Traveler6 | thanks |
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| 12:29.37 | User_007 | where can i find the security.debian.org key? i'm getting the NODATA error |
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| 12:37.13 | demisolo_ | User_007, change the mirror |
| 12:38.38 | abrotman | it's not a mirror |
| 12:39.15 | demisolo_ | abrotman, what it is ? |
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| 12:40.48 | abrotman | User_007: the key should be in the debian-keyring package, it's possible that member of the round-robin had a bad sync |
| 12:41.24 | User_007 | humm, ok |
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| 12:42.22 | cristi8 | hi, i think i found a bug in the opengl libs package ( libgl1-mesa-dev ) .. in synaptic package manager, at properties -> Installed files, "/usr/lib/libGL.so " apears. but i didn't had that file, and i had to make a symbolic link ( /usr/lib# ln -s libGL.so.1 libGL.so ) |
| 12:42.40 | cristi8 | i tried reinstalling the package with no success |
| 12:43.05 | abrotman | i have it here |
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| 12:43.15 | cristi8 | the link? |
| 12:43.28 | cristi8 | hmm, i wonder what's different |
| 12:43.39 | abrotman | yep |
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| 12:43.43 | abrotman | cristi8: whihc versino of debian ? |
| 12:43.50 | cristi8 | lenny |
| 12:43.57 | abrotman | i'm on squeeze |
| 12:44.24 | cristi8 | can someone with lenny check? |
| 12:45.14 | cristi8 | i'm not confortable with modifying /usr/lib by hand, maybe i can reinstall another package? |
| 12:46.31 | abrotman | cristi8: dpkg -S usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 12:47.39 | cristi8 | abrotman: http://codepad.org/CXRfKudd |
| 12:48.21 | abrotman | well, there you go .. nvidia did it! |
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| 12:49.53 | cristi8 | so i should be ok with that manually added link? |
| 12:50.30 | cristi8 | http://codepad.org/bn4eC39X this is what i have |
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| 13:04.33 | tdn | I have a tar file that has been split by 'split' program into 24 files. Is there any way to join the files in-place? |
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| 13:05.39 | abrotman | cat them all together? |
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| 13:06.43 | phorce1 | tdn: cat "file1" + "file2 + "file3" ... + "filen" > joined.tar |
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| 13:07.02 | phorce1 | man cat |
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| 13:09.26 | iceroot | is cat file* > joined.tar also workig on bash? |
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| 13:10.41 | phorce1 | probably but there is a possibility the shell will get them in the "wrong order". |
| 13:12.09 | Arrowmaster | if its file1 and not file01 then wrong order is highly likely |
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| 13:13.19 | iceroot | ah ok, thanks for the info |
| 13:13.38 | iceroot | but so, bash is executing the * before the rest |
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| 13:16.20 | tdn | phorce1, that is not in-place. |
| 13:17.06 | phorce1 | tdn: then the answer is no |
| 13:17.17 | abrotman | tdn: what do you mean by in-place? |
| 13:17.49 | phorce1 | abrotman: he wants the source files to "go way" as the joined file is created. |
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| 13:18.21 | tdn | abrotman, I want the operation to only take a constant amount of additional space. |
| 13:18.29 | tdn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-place_algorithm |
| 13:19.51 | phorce1 | , personally, would never do that due to the possibility of losing the source files and ending up with a corrupt output with no way to "try again". |
| 13:20.10 | tdn | phorce1, I have an offline backup of the source files. |
| 13:20.28 | tdn | phorce1, and because of space limitations I have to find a way to do it in place. |
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| 13:21.06 | phorce1 | tdn: you can probably simulate an in-place join using bash as follows (gimme a sec) |
| 13:21.11 | tdn | I could probably create a program to do it. |
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| 13:21.29 | fxiny | a bash line ... |
| 13:21.35 | rooisto47 | hi |
| 13:21.48 | abrotman | tdn: what do you want to do with the tar file? |
| 13:21.54 | fxiny | constant is adding and removing one at the time |
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| 13:22.08 | tdn | abrotman, good question. I want to extract it (preferably in-place also ;)) |
| 13:22.29 | abrotman | tdn: cat file1 file2 file3 - | tar -xf - |
| 13:22.35 | abrotman | test it first :) |
| 13:22.36 | phorce1 | tdn: cat file01 + file02 > joined.tar ; rm file01 ; rm file02 ; cat joined.tar + file03 > joined2.tar ; rm file03 ; rm joined.tar ; ... |
| 13:22.42 | tdn | abrotman, great! |
| 13:23.05 | tdn | phorce1, interesting approach :) |
| 13:23.15 | cristi8 | tdn: but that will not remove file1, file2, etc as they extract |
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| 13:23.38 | tdn | cristi8, no, that would be the next problem. |
| 13:24.09 | Arrowmaster | create a ram disk is the only thing i can think of |
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| 13:24.40 | tdn | Arrowmaster, wouldn't that require at least N RAM where N is the size of the .tar? |
| 13:24.47 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 13:24.59 | tdn | Arrowmaster, then I am several gigs short :( |
| 13:25.15 | cristi8 | phorce1 that's not in-place. joined(n-1) is almost N in size |
| 13:25.28 | cristi8 | and he will have joined(n-1) and joined(n) at the same time |
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| 13:26.08 | Arrowmaster | well anything that is going to do it 'in-place' is going to have to keep it somewhere while removing the old file |
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| 13:26.38 | tdn | cristi8, it is correct that phorce1's idea is not in-place, however, in this specific use case, it is acceptable, because I have enough free space to have an extra copy of each part-file. |
| 13:27.13 | tdn | Arrowmaster, it could probably be possible to truncate the old file while extracting it. |
| 13:27.16 | abrotman | what's wrong with mine ? |
| 13:27.28 | fxiny | you need only max tar(n+2) space |
| 13:27.33 | abrotman | oh .. you really want it 'in place' |
| 13:27.44 | cristi8 | tdn: my point is that you will need the same space as you would need by cat * > ../big_one; rm * |
| 13:27.51 | tdn | abrotman, nothing. It is the best yet! However, extraction of .tar is not in-plcae. It takes n*2. |
| 13:27.57 | phorce1 | cristi8: it meets the criteria of taking a constant amount of additional space that is less than double the joined file size" while joining |
| 13:28.58 | cristi8 | phorce1: id doesn't. you will have joined (f1 f2 f3 f4 f5), and the last part "f6". then you will cat them, resulting in double-ing the space |
| 13:29.02 | fxiny | you must join 2 to start then remove 1 and add 1 |
| 13:29.14 | fxiny | or remove 2 firts time |
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| 13:29.39 | fxiny | so you need n+2 space at least |
| 13:29.48 | cristi8 | tdn: the simplest way i can think of is write a simple prog that keeps the out file opened and reads 1 source file, then deletes, read the next, delete, etc |
| 13:29.54 | cristi8 | and just output it to the destination |
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| 13:30.13 | phorce1 | (checking my math --- probably creating one to test --- it is WAY too early on a Saturday morning for me to 'visualize' this stuff) |
| 13:30.27 | Arrowmaster | what about 'cat file01 + file02 > joined.tar ; rm file01 ; rm file02 ; cat file03 >> joined.tar ; ...' does that work? |
| 13:30.30 | cristi8 | or maybe just output to stdout and delete, so you can use piping to the tar command, to extract in-place also |
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| 13:31.28 | phorce1 | aha --- Arrowmaster has what I was trying to say. Using >> keeps only one copy of the joined file |
| 13:31.28 | tdn | cristi8, yes, that is what abrotman suggested. That is truly in-place. However, I'm not sure how to handle the extraction then. |
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| 13:32.03 | cristi8 | "handle the extraction" ? |
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| 13:32.15 | tdn | cristi8, I will get output from tar command that is N in size. But the original file of size N can first be removed after extraction finishes. |
| 13:32.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont know if doing that with shell redirection works, but you could definitely do it with a program |
| 13:33.04 | fxiny | 24 pieces only ? you should have already finished it |
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| 13:33.09 | fxiny | :P |
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| 13:33.31 | fxiny | phorce1 told you how |
| 13:33.31 | phorce1 | cristi8: if s/he doesn't have enough space for 2 copies of the file during joining then there's also not enough space for the extracted files plus the non-extracted .tar |
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| 13:34.09 | tdn | phorce1, exactly. |
| 13:34.18 | cristi8 | ok, maybe an aproach like: for i in $(seq 1 5); do cat f$i; rm f$i; done | tar ... |
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| 13:34.58 | cristi8 | but be careful not to accidentally remove the files when you don't have the right command |
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| 13:35.15 | tdn | cristi8, oh! |
| 13:35.19 | rooisto47 | I can't set my @ymail.com account on evolution can anyone help me ? |
| 13:35.23 | tdn | cristi8, that might work! |
| 13:35.33 | Arrowmaster | try that without the rm and just have tar test it |
| 13:36.04 | phorce1 | so, tdn, this device you're working on has no spare USB ports? |
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| 13:36.58 | tdn | phorce1, yes. But no external storage devices available. |
| 13:37.03 | tdn | phorce1, this is a remote computer. |
| 13:37.14 | tdn | phorce1, connected with a very slow internet connection. |
| 13:37.34 | cristi8 | tdn: then be *very* careful when deleting the files |
| 13:37.36 | cristi8 | :) |
| 13:37.45 | phorce1 | call someone at the other end and tell them to plug in a couple of 4G flash drives to give you some working space. |
| 13:38.06 | cristi8 | tdn: how big is the final file btw? |
| 13:38.12 | tdn | cristi8, I know. I have a local copy on my own system (with enough free space). So I can test it locally before running it on the remote system. |
| 13:38.18 | tdn | cristi8, 12 GB. |
| 13:38.29 | tdn | cristi8, so I have 24 files of 500MB. |
| 13:38.38 | fxiny | 500MB each |
| 13:38.47 | tdn | fxiny, yes. |
| 13:39.08 | tdn | phorce1, unfortuneately not an option :( |
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| 13:39.35 | fxiny | so you want 13G and don't even think of extracting before you finish |
| 13:39.36 | tdn | cristi8, worst case is that I would need to transfer the files again, but it takes several weeks to transfer the files. |
| 13:39.42 | rozie | how much take those files and how much free space you got? |
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| 13:40.39 | rozie | tdn: do you have 1 GB of free space? |
| 13:40.40 | tdn | rozie, it is a 20GB disk. So 20GB - 12 GB - size of installed system. |
| 13:40.50 | tdn | rozie, yes. |
| 13:41.10 | phorce1 | tdn: This is one of those cases where forethought would have been best. Transfer 2 files, join and delete, transfer another, join and delete, ... |
| 13:41.15 | rozie | so if you make cat file1 file2 > output |
| 13:41.16 | tdn | rozie, I think I have about 5 GB free. |
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| 13:41.23 | rozie | rm file1 file2 |
| 13:41.46 | rozie | cat output file3 > output2 |
| 13:41.53 | Arrowmaster | we already went over this |
| 13:41.55 | rozie | ahm, it won't work |
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| 13:42.20 | tdn | phorce1, rozie: really the joining is not the problem. It is the extraction. The joining can be handled with pipes like abrotman and cristi8 suggested. |
| 13:42.36 | abrotman | yay me! |
| 13:42.37 | tdn | I will try cristi8's solution on my local system. |
| 13:42.45 | tdn | abrotman, yay indeed. |
| 13:42.50 | fxiny | 5G free ? you should be able to extract only 5G then |
| 13:43.23 | rozie | you could try some kind of compressed FS |
| 13:43.28 | fxiny | unless tar has a delete file option , checking the man |
| 13:43.51 | fxiny | yes ! |
| 13:43.52 | Arrowmaster | doubtful it could do it in-place |
| 13:43.58 | fxiny | take some out and delete |
| 13:44.08 | tdn | rozie, compression would not work. The content cannot be compressed any more. |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | from a tar? |
| 13:45.08 | neoice | anyone know of a good tool for doing log analysis from an SQL db? |
| 13:45.13 | fxiny | you can extract some file then delete 'em form the tarball |
| 13:45.15 | tdn | The tar file contains data that is already compressed optimally. |
| 13:45.32 | fxiny | tar can be compressed at will |
| 13:45.34 | tdn | neoice, what exactly do you want to analyse? |
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| 13:45.49 | neoice | tdn: syslog / apache2 logs |
| 13:45.52 | tdn | fxiny, but it will not be smaller after compression. |
| 13:46.22 | tdn | neoice, hmm... So you have syslog and apache2 logging to an SQL db? |
| 13:46.43 | neoice | tdn: I'm experimenting with rsyslog-to-SQL currently |
| 13:47.07 | fxiny | tdn: only if files in the archive are already compressed |
| 13:47.53 | fxiny | tdn: i had a tar.bz2 corrupted yesterday , bunzip2recover failed |
| 13:47.55 | tdn | neoice, I am not aware of an app to do this, but my co-worker is working on such a system actually. A log analyzer for apache, postfix, dovecot, etc. logs in postgresql. |
| 13:47.57 | cristi8 | tdn: here is my "cat_and_delete.sh" file, maybe it helps :D http://codepad.org/f5ZmwbSR |
| 13:48.15 | cristi8 | it cats and deletes f01 f02 f03 |
| 13:48.20 | fxiny | i could extract only some files |
| 13:48.54 | tdn | cristi8, ok, so I will do a cat_and_delete.sh | tar -xf - ? |
| 13:49.17 | fxiny | tdn: you have 5G free , unsplit the archive then start extraction from the archive and deleting in the archive |
| 13:49.24 | cristi8 | i never extracted from stdin, but i guess so |
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| 13:49.47 | tdn | fxiny, I am not sure that deletion from a tar archive is an in-place operation. |
| 13:49.56 | fxiny | man tar -> --delete |
| 13:49.56 | tdn | fxiny, however, I think that cristi8's solution will work. |
| 13:50.17 | fxiny | only 24 pieces ... |
| 13:51.40 | cristi8 | tdn: if tar --delete does the extraction of 1 file and then removes it from the archive, then maybe it's a better aproach to construct the big archive first |
| 13:51.44 | fxiny | lemme test it |
| 13:52.25 | tdn | I try to do: cat CARDS.tar| tar -tv - |
| 13:52.30 | tdn | It does not output anything. |
| 13:52.38 | tdn | tar -tvf CARDS.tar does however. |
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| 13:54.15 | tdn | Oh. I need: -f |
| 13:54.16 | fxiny | first of all a split file is xaa xab |
| 13:54.23 | tdn | cat CARDS.tar| tar -tvf - seems to work. |
| 13:54.48 | tdn | fxiny, mine is cards-part-00 .. cards-part-24 |
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| 13:55.03 | tdn | fxiny, split can produce numerical names. |
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| 13:55.47 | fxiny | right |
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| 13:56.25 | tdn | cristi8, wow. It seems that your solution works. Just tried it locally. |
| 13:57.09 | tdn | Thanks everyone for helping. |
| 13:57.17 | cristi8 | tdn: good luck ;) |
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| 13:57.59 | tdn | Thanks. |
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| 14:05.55 | merethan | Hi all. |
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| 14:07.50 | merethan | I have a funny but problematic infinite loop here, while installing debian testing alpha1. It sais "you chose not to install any bootloader.." o rly? Have I? ".. not doing so may cause problems blah blah..." "Install bootloader?". When I say yes, it comes up with the same message over and over again. |
| 14:08.47 | merethan | Is there an easy way to fix this? |
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| 14:10.10 | dockimble | how do you list installed packages |
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| 14:10.33 | iceroot | dockimble: dpkg -l |
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| 14:13.04 | merethan | My problem just got even more funny: When I said 'no' for a change, it installed grub. |
| 14:13.30 | merethan | Saying 'no' makes it do 'yes' apparently |
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| 14:17.35 | thewanderer1 | testing installers sometimes have bugs |
| 14:17.44 | thewanderer1 | when you want to be certain, install by hand |
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| 14:18.11 | thewanderer1 | you're doing it to help test the new installer anyway, aren't you? |
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| 14:19.45 | cheasee | i really like d-i, but im missing partprobe when loading parted-udeb from installer components, had to scp the binary and libs by myself... and when installing grub im missing the point where to specifiy wher to install grub into master boot record, when using raid1 for example, would be nice to select hd1 too (its installing automatically on hd0) |
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| 14:20.19 | Sia- | is possible to check dependency from gimp from installing? |
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| 14:21.19 | Sia- | srry, apt-cache depends package |
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| 14:23.43 | merethan | thewanderer1, more because I find 5.0 too outdated in terms of packages |
| 14:23.53 | merethan | And some testing of course |
| 14:23.59 | thewanderer1 | merethan: yeah, but testing is for testing purposes, you know :P |
| 14:24.01 | merethan | It boots fine now |
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| 14:24.19 | thewanderer1 | you can install using stable and upgrade to testing |
| 14:24.26 | thewanderer1 | or install testing with stable installer |
| 14:24.36 | merethan | It works now |
| 14:24.51 | merethan | I am however new to grub2 |
| 14:25.09 | merethan | nano /boot/grub/menu.lst no go :P |
| 14:26.09 | thewanderer1 | yes, grub menu got replaced by a series of clumsy scripts that you have to hack :P |
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| 14:29.31 | merethan | grub.cfg |
| 14:29.37 | merethan | Let's have a look |
| 14:29.43 | xyan | gets autogenerated save your time |
| 14:29.48 | xyan | look into /etc/grub.d/* |
| 14:30.27 | merethan | Yeah, it sais that very clearly |
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| 14:36.08 | merethan | Updating my entire system to the latest packages should be done with 'aptitude safe-upgrade'? |
| 14:36.47 | xyan | full-upgrade or dist-upgrade, but running a safe-upgrade before isnt a bad idea |
| 14:36.55 | shylent | you might want to do aptitude -s safe-upgrade |
| 14:37.07 | shylent | to determine whether or not it is *really* safe :P |
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| 14:38.32 | merethan | xyan, I am already at squeeze. dist-upgrade is not needed right? |
| 14:38.56 | xyan | merethan: right then safe-upgrade |
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| 14:40.27 | merethan | lol, safe upgrade does upgrade a massive 0 (zero) packages! :P |
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| 14:40.45 | merethan | Let's see what full-upgrade does |
| 14:41.03 | phogg | I would say that upgrading zero things is likely to be safe. |
| 14:41.25 | merethan | Full upgrade does nothing either |
| 14:41.35 | merethan | 0b to be downloaded |
| 14:41.54 | xyan | oh a update whore |
| 14:42.14 | rozie | merethan: try wajig daily-upgrade |
| 14:42.25 | rozie | it'a update && dist-upgrade |
| 14:42.47 | merethan | I've done update as well |
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| 14:43.10 | rozie | if you installed system recently with net access, it may be up to date |
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| 14:43.23 | rozie | latest version is installed during installation |
| 14:43.26 | merethan | I think something is wrong. This squeeze alpha1 iso is 5 months old. I can hardly believe nothing has changed since then. |
| 14:43.40 | merethan | Mm, yes, might be. |
| 14:43.44 | rozie | merethan: show us you sources.list |
| 14:43.53 | merethan | Is is squeeze |
| 14:44.02 | rozie | probably you don't have net repos added |
| 14:44.07 | merethan | Al I did was removing the cdrom source |
| 14:44.13 | merethan | k |
| 14:44.15 | merethan | one sec |
| 14:44.19 | rozie | just paste it on pastebin ;) |
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| 14:44.55 | merethan | Currently my interface is the keyboard and monitor |
| 14:45.16 | merethan | THe debian machine is not the one I use in IRC this moment |
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| 14:45.33 | xyan | aptitude install pastebinit |
| 14:45.34 | rozie | install pastebinit |
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| 14:45.41 | merethan | But, the sources.list has squeeze main and squeeze/updates main |
| 14:46.02 | merethan | Both the deb and deb-src |
| 14:46.19 | rozie | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 14:46.25 | rozie | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:46.34 | rozie | add this and run update then |
| 14:46.59 | Aimee | Actually |
| 14:47.14 | Aimee | I had to go through this last night |
| 14:47.15 | Aimee | deb http://ftp.debian.org/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 14:47.17 | Aimee | This worked for me |
| 14:47.23 | merethan | I can manipulate the existing lines. |
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| 14:47.41 | Aimee | then run aptitude update |
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| 14:50.32 | merethan | Still 0b |
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| 14:50.55 | merethan | I think the installer is really smart and downloaded pkgs using the net. |
| 14:51.00 | xyan | did you use the netinstaller? did you somehow fetch all updates within the install? |
| 14:51.04 | xyan | great! |
| 14:51.15 | merethan | No, I didn't use the netinstaller |
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| 14:51.29 | xyan | did it prompt you for a mirror? |
| 14:51.36 | rozie | merethan: if you have internet access each installer downloads latest packages |
| 14:51.37 | merethan | Only utils and sshd were fetched trough the net |
| 14:51.51 | merethan | the base system came from cdrom |
| 14:51.57 | rozie | no. |
| 14:52.01 | merethan | I expected updates there |
| 14:52.07 | rozie | it doesn't work like this |
| 14:52.37 | merethan | Perhaps it updated everything later. I haven't been babysitting. |
| 14:52.39 | rozie | if you have net access it checks for latest versions on the net |
| 14:52.45 | Aimee | Last night, *I* used the netinstaller but it kept saying that the mirrors I chose were "bad" because my release wasn't supported |
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| 14:53.01 | Aimee | I had to modify my sources.list manually and run aptitude update in order to get stuff |
| 14:53.37 | merethan | rozie, the cdrom drive has been quite busy. But perhaps everything gets updated if there's net access. |
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| 14:53.55 | merethan | I likely have missed it if that is the case |
| 14:54.24 | rozie | it uses cd-rom packages at first, then upgrades them |
| 14:54.30 | rozie | no need to worry |
| 14:54.32 | rozie | ;) |
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| 15:02.19 | merethan | rozie, I am very happy |
| 15:02.32 | merethan | THe machine is now doing xfce |
| 15:02.48 | merethan | In the mean time, I need to catch myself a dinner. |
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| 15:02.58 | merethan | In the supermarket of course. |
| 15:05.17 | merethan | Hunting wild life is illegal. Which is kinda pointless as there ain't any left. |
| 15:05.36 | merethan | In my environment at least. |
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| 15:18.33 | trentg | I have a problem with exim |
| 15:19.25 | trentg | When I send a message to trent@mydomain it works. When I send to trent2@mydomain it says remote host is the local host and rejects it. |
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| 15:20.12 | trentg | I put trent2: trent in /etc/aliases |
| 15:20.26 | trentg | But to no avail |
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| 15:23.52 | karl | very ot: anyone here happen to have a ericsson k800i ? |
| 15:24.23 | KRF | a broken k750i, sorry |
| 15:25.03 | karl | bugger, the screen of mine broke, now i would really need the key sequence to enable bluetooth.... |
| 15:25.28 | Dunedan | karl: give me a second |
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| 15:28.32 | r15 | hello, i am just downloading debian-505 dvd, my basic need is to have vmware working so that i can work with few other os. |
| 15:28.40 | r15 | vmware works fine with debian? |
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| 15:29.48 | r15 | i will be installing it on my laptop, going to use debian again after 4-5 years. |
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| 15:31.13 | Hounddog | hi there, just wanted to ask if you can refer a relativ "small" desktop for debian? |
| 15:31.39 | rozie | Hounddog: what debian? testing/unstable? |
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| 15:31.44 | Hounddog | lenny |
| 15:32.03 | rozie | if it was testing, I'd recommend LXDE |
| 15:32.25 | rozie | tried it on Lenny and has some flaws |
| 15:32.28 | fxiny | r15: not supported but yes , it works with lenny , go on |
| 15:32.34 | Hounddog | hmmm |
| 15:33.03 | Hounddog | just need something simple as it just needs to be operating openoffice and mozilla |
| 15:33.20 | rozie | you can probably use backports to have newer lxde |
| 15:33.41 | rozie | and you can try out the Lenny version as well |
| 15:33.44 | fxiny | and a faster oo |
| 15:33.49 | rozie | it won't break anything |
| 15:33.56 | r15 | ok thanks, |
| 15:34.00 | Hounddog | i will check that :) thx rozie |
| 15:34.05 | rozie | Hounddog: in Lenny you have pretty old mozilla |
| 15:34.14 | rozie | iceweasel is like 2.0.x |
| 15:34.29 | rozie | even some extensions don't work |
| 15:35.00 | rozie | Hounddog: if you have a little time, try testing |
| 15:35.23 | Hounddog | well, i don't really need anything new, is anyhow just for a few days |
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| 15:35.36 | rozie | you may be satisfied. IMHO it's much better choice for desktop |
| 15:35.54 | Hounddog | gnome seams quite heavy weight |
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| 15:36.03 | Hounddog | at least for the current requirement |
| 15:36.06 | fxiny | r15: not easy , noit hard : google for the right instructions |
| 15:36.07 | rozie | OK, if it's just for a few days, check out LXDE and Lenny |
| 15:36.19 | Hounddog | thanks a lot :) |
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| 15:38.06 | r15 | still download is going on, it will take 21 hours more for my download to get completed. |
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| 15:42.15 | icebrain | r15: you don't have to get the whole DVD, netinst would be faster unless you need it all |
| 15:44.01 | r15 | checking. |
| 15:44.11 | moldovean | dpkg, tell Aimee-afk -about way |
| 15:44.43 | Aimee-afk | (dpkg) moldovean wants you to know: well, way is way |
| 15:44.45 | moldovean | dpkg, tell Aimee-afk -about away |
| 15:45.26 | Aimee-afk | "Do not use public away/back messages in #debian." |
| 15:45.33 | Aimee-afk | /anick isn't a message |
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| 15:47.00 | r15 | ok downloading netstall image. |
| 15:47.25 | r15 | only 40 minutes. |
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| 15:53.38 | lamah_ | how can i download from git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git;a=summary from 2010-06-16 Hicham HAOUARI Add firmware for Modems based on Eagle Chipset master commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot, from TREE - rt2870.bin file |
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| 15:57.12 | niere | hi |
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| 15:58.58 | niere | could someone tell me the difference betwenn the relationship operators '>=' and '>>' in debian package dependencies? |
| 15:59.17 | moldovean | lamah_, /msg dpkg rt2870 |
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| 16:00.04 | moldovean | lamah_, /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 16:01.50 | moldovean | '>=' seems been greater or equal to , '>>' seems to be strict greater then |
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| 16:15.22 | Aenigma | Hi, I'm new to debian. I upgraded from lenny to squeeze and I got dependency hell which I fixed by upgrading to sid. I'm just wondering what kinds of things I can do to resolve dependency hell in general. |
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| 16:16.27 | dondelelcaro | Aenigma: depends what the problem is; all of them can be fixed. |
| 16:16.43 | dondelelcaro | Aenigma: generally, you just figure out what is happening, and then resolve it, or use aptitude or similar to find a solution for you |
| 16:16.58 | Aenigma | dondelelcaro: how does aptitude do it for you? |
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| 16:17.41 | dondelelcaro | Aenigma: it solves dependency graphs and allows you to choose between solutions and alter the solution manually. |
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| 16:19.22 | Aenigma | I didn't get anything like that, I'm afraid. I used aptitude and tried to install X and it kind of had errors in installing a bunch of stuff. I couldn't really see what was going on because I hadn't set up framebuffer and it was difficult to see the correlation between packages. |
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| 16:23.50 | rgr | in a default debian install where is system mail (from cron, root etc) spooled? mbox in homedir or /var/spool/mail/user ? |
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| 16:26.54 | abrotman | rgr: the latter |
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| 16:27.53 | rgr | thanks. its weird though as an mbox recently appeared but there is nothing in my crontab reconfiguring mail. |
| 16:28.04 | rgr | (all mails in mbox are from cron) |
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| 16:34.36 | craigevil | Aenigma: dont use the 'xorg' metapackage, only install the xserver-xorg-* packages that you need |
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| 16:35.23 | dondelelcaro | Aenigma: you don't need a framebuffer; aptitude works just fine in text mode |
| 16:35.48 | dondelelcaro | Aenigma: and if you run into those problems, and can't figure them out, you can ask here |
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| 16:41.53 | Asmdroid | hm, cant remember how to update and refresh the path variable |
| 16:42.03 | Asmdroid | is it env path=blah |
| 16:42.10 | Asmdroid | and then there's something else |
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| 16:44.21 | abrotman | Asmdroid: what's wrong with the path you have? |
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| 16:46.19 | Asmdroid | abrotman: need to include another directory |
| 16:46.28 | abrotman | which is? |
| 16:47.00 | Asmdroid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:47.19 | Asmdroid | know what I need to do, but just dont know commands to do it |
| 16:47.33 | rgr | why do you think you need that? |
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| 16:48.09 | rgr | type "which iceweasel" in a terminal |
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| 16:49.20 | Asmdroid | no.. |
| 16:49.24 | Asmdroid | It's for a scrit |
| 16:49.40 | Asmdroid | i need to put it in path |
| 16:49.55 | Asmdroid | so that the symlink that I have created for firefox |
| 16:50.03 | Asmdroid | looks in the path variable for application.ini |
| 16:50.14 | Asmdroid | that's irrelevant |
| 16:50.17 | Asmdroid | just need to know how to do it |
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| 16:52.07 | fxiny | a script ? is iceweasel your x-www-browser ? |
| 16:52.11 | abrotman | that doesn't need to be in your path |
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| 16:53.31 | Asmdroid | well... |
| 16:53.35 | Asmdroid | firefox uses the path |
| 16:53.39 | Asmdroid | to find it |
| 16:53.42 | Asmdroid | so if I can do that |
| 16:53.46 | Asmdroid | it will suffice |
| 16:53.49 | Asmdroid | any ideas how? |
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| 16:54.09 | fxiny | for doing what ? loading pages in a browser with a script ? |
| 16:54.11 | krisfremen | ok.. problems |
| 16:54.24 | krisfremen | squeeze, new upgrade, x11 is totally unusable for some reason |
| 16:54.27 | Asmdroid | fxk |
| 16:54.36 | Asmdroid | fxiny: exactly |
| 16:54.51 | fxiny | Asmdroid: so dedian rulez |
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| 16:56.05 | Asmdroid | ok, I'll search around given that nobody wants to tell me HOW |
| 16:56.28 | krisfremen | [ 25.723680] fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device |
| 16:56.28 | krisfremen | [ 25.723682] registered panic notifier |
| 16:56.28 | krisfremen | [ 25.723688] [drm] Initialized radeon 2.0.0 20080528 for 0000:03:00.0 on minor 0 |
| 16:56.31 | krisfremen | [ 26.043952] lp: driver loaded but no devices found |
| 16:57.06 | fxiny | Asmdroid: put in your script x-www-broser instead of firefox . it will run whatever browser you set as default with update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 16:57.24 | fxiny | f* typo : x-www-browser |
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| 16:58.08 | fxiny | Asmdroid: this way your script will work with *any* browser you set as default , no more editing |
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| 17:02.31 | krisfremen | anyone? |
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| 17:05.08 | stayb | how was the command for extract files with unrar ? |
| 17:05.40 | abrotman | man unrar ? |
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| 17:06.01 | acxty | Hi guys, how can I recover some files from a formated ext3 partition? |
| 17:06.13 | stayb | unrar -e doesnt works |
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| 17:07.29 | nsadmin | acxty: from the backup you made before you formatted it |
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| 17:08.36 | djustice | fakechroot ninja: i can run any app from a unionfs+fakechroot setup, except firefox. it just hangs. any ideas? |
| 17:08.43 | djustice | i have an strace if anybody wants to see.. |
| 17:08.43 | BiGViC | anyone here use w_scan before? |
| 17:09.06 | lost_soul | stayb: saying it doesn't work doesn't really help much |
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| 17:09.32 | BiGViC | it detects all my channels but it don't write to the file... the channels.conf stays at 0 bytes and completely balnk...? |
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| 17:10.23 | stayb | get only the information text when tipping |
| 17:10.37 | fxiny | try just e |
| 17:10.43 | fxiny | or x |
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| 17:11.30 | fxiny | i'm sure is in the man :P |
| 17:11.44 | nsadmin | BiGViC: does w_scan have options? |
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| 17:13.24 | stayb | fxiny, i tried |
| 17:13.34 | stayb | get every time only the information source |
| 17:13.47 | stayb | k works sr |
| 17:13.48 | stayb | y |
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| 17:14.21 | fxiny | stayb: you lucky , can't find a large trout |
| 17:14.49 | stayb | i used -e instead only e |
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| 17:22.10 | BiGViC | nasadmin yes it does :-\ |
| 17:22.24 | BiGViC | whoops |
| 17:22.33 | BiGViC | nsadmin: yes it does :-\ |
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| 17:23.18 | nsadmin | do they help? :) |
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| 17:23.51 | BiGViC | I very clearly state for it to write and create a channels.conf file in my home directory and it scans and even shows channel names! and everything and saids done. I go to file and is complete empty lol |
| 17:23.58 | wizardslovak | where can i get debian with kde? |
| 17:24.14 | dondelelcaro | wizardslovak: same place you can get it with any flavor; just install kde instead of gnome |
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| 17:24.50 | wizardslovak | oh but when i download debian from its website its gnome |
| 17:24.56 | dondelelcaro | wizardslovak: we also have cds which contain kde as the default DE instead of gnome, which you can download from the usual place |
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| 17:25.13 | wizardslovak | well i was looking for that and didnt find it :( |
| 17:25.14 | dondelelcaro | wizardslovak: gnome is the default, but we distribute all of the major desktop environments |
| 17:25.40 | dondelelcaro | wizardslovak: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 17:26.23 | wizardslovak | what about i get net install cd |
| 17:26.49 | wizardslovak | would i still be able to get kde? |
| 17:27.01 | dondelelcaro | wizardslovak: the net install cd doesn't contain anything, so there you'd just download and install whatever you want; yes you can get kde. |
| 17:27.03 | abrotman | misread that as flower, was confused |
| 17:27.13 | wizardslovak | ok thank you sir |
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| 17:27.28 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 17:27.33 | abrotman | wizardslovak: however you probably want to skip the tasksel and manually use aptitude later |
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| 17:27.59 | wizardslovak | well i tried it once on ubuntu server and , it wasnt the way i wanted |
| 17:28.30 | wizardslovak | so i prefer to install it at installation |
| 17:28.48 | dondelelcaro | wizardslovak: well, you can do that by using install tasks="kde-desktop, standard"; or similar |
| 17:29.39 | wizardslovak | thank you |
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| 17:30.46 | dondelelcaro | (presumably that's documented on the installer text screens, but I don't remember' |
| 17:32.05 | wizardslovak | i want to try debian on my home web server |
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| 17:59.24 | BiGViC | anyone use w_scan before :( :( |
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| 18:01.15 | r15 | hello, i downloaded netinstall of lanny, and used unetbootin-linux-471 to have my usb drive bootable, |
| 18:01.48 | r15 | my installation is stuck as after booting from usb, i get cd-rom not detected. |
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| 18:03.29 | r15 | is there something which i can modify? my installation starts, but stuck at detect and mount cd-rom, |
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| 18:04.53 | r15 | i am emulating cdrom from usb using unetbootin-linux-471. |
| 18:05.04 | r15 | any idea? |
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| 18:05.15 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 18:05.15 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 18:28.01 | wizardslovak | does anyone knows how to put debian on usb so i can boot from it? |
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| 18:28.23 | abrotman | the bot told you above |
| 18:28.28 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 18:28.28 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 18:30.04 | rozie | wizardslovak: you mean installer or live? |
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| 18:30.57 | wizardslovak | well id prefer netinstall |
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| 18:31.15 | WormFood | netinstall is really nice |
| 18:31.16 | wizardslovak | if i can boot netinstall cd from usb id be glad |
| 18:31.28 | WormFood | you can boot cd images from usb |
| 18:31.58 | wizardslovak | yea well all i found is how to boot debian live , but i always get error |
| 18:32.08 | wizardslovak | dont have debian os just windows |
| 18:32.16 | wizardslovak | and my server doesnt have cd rom so usb only way |
| 18:34.21 | abrotman | wizardslovak: the instrucdtions are above |
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| 18:40.40 | wizardslovak | i cannot find debian-505-i386-netinst.img only .iso |
| 18:41.04 | wizardslovak | what about live cd ? |
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| 18:43.45 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 18:43.45 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 18:44.07 | wizardslovak | !debian live |
| 18:44.07 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
| 18:44.09 | dockimble | i'm running debian on an ibook g3 and trying to upgrade from lenny to sid, and only have the base install, but every time it keeps filling up a 15 gb drive |
| 18:44.32 | dockimble | why? |
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| 18:45.50 | rioch | I have a script which starts my server using wakeonlan. I want this script to run when I boot up my desktop, so my server comes up as well. How can I do this? |
| 18:48.13 | llutz | rioch: add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 18:49.12 | xoz | or apt-cache show launchtool... you may like its features |
| 18:49.18 | r15 | thanks abrotman, that link worked (usb boot+installation). |
| 18:49.59 | abrotman | dockimble: aptitude clean before you do that |
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| 18:51.20 | rioch | llua: it says rc.local runs at the end of each multiuser runlevel. What does that mean? |
| 18:51.50 | llua | hi llutz you idle this channel too now? |
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| 18:51.55 | llua | :} |
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| 18:52.20 | llutz | rioch: it will run when your runlevel-scripts are finished |
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| 18:53.03 | llutz | llua: idle too? wherelse? |
| 18:53.10 | phidah | I generated a ssh key with ssh-keygen and then added it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys - However, when logging in through ssh it still asks for my password, instead of just using the key. How do I fix this? |
| 18:53.29 | jae | Is there a way to find out if one's on battery, from a (Python) script? |
| 18:54.10 | llua | llutz, #ubuntu you used to help people there alot and they would tab complete my nick and not yours :x |
| 18:54.59 | rioch | llutz: thanks. I'm gonna reboot and see if it works :D |
| 18:55.00 | llutz | llua: i'll think about a different nick... |
| 18:55.22 | llua | llutz, no no its not a problem. it was just funny to see it happen again |
| 18:55.30 | xoz | phidah: ssh-add |
| 18:56.04 | xoz | phidah: and use ssh-copy-id |
| 18:56.06 | phidah | do I run it on the server or on my client? |
| 18:57.29 | xoz | phidah: ssh-add is to add your identity to the agent... and everytime you connect, your agent will do it for you the authentication |
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| 18:59.51 | xoz | phidah: or use keychain |
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| 19:00.25 | xoz | !keychain |
| 19:00.25 | dpkg | Keychain is an application to have ssh and/or gpg agents be run for you at a login shell. apt-cache show keychain |
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| 19:01.19 | rioch | llutz: the script didn't run (rc.local) |
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| 19:02.35 | llutz | rioch: have you called it with full path? |
| 19:03.10 | rioch | ah no I haven't |
| 19:03.59 | rioch | let me try again :D |
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| 19:07.11 | rioch | llutz: no joy |
| 19:07.57 | llutz | rioch: have you added it before "exit 0"? |
| 19:08.15 | rioch | yes |
| 19:08.26 | rioch | and the permissions are set so everyone can execute |
| 19:08.46 | rioch | rwxr-xr-x |
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| 19:10.04 | rioch | llutz: maybe it's different that my server is debian but desktop is running linux mint? |
| 19:10.32 | llutz | rioch: try just adding a line calling: /usr/bin/wakeonlan 00:30:05:00:00:00 <- change MAC |
| 19:10.34 | abrotman | did you try using rc.local ? |
| 19:11.02 | llutz | rioch: i don't know mint, but i guess rc.local should work there too |
| 19:11.22 | abrotman | or he could ask the mint people since it's their OS |
| 19:11.30 | rioch | let me try those idea. |
| 19:11.37 | abrotman | or rather he should, mint is two degrees of offtopic :) |
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| 19:12.46 | rgr | no. you must generate the key without a password. |
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| 19:13.17 | wizardslovak | ok got live cd working but no install |
| 19:13.21 | rgr | keychain reconnects or sets the envs to point to the correct gpg-agent instance. if the password is cached then it will not prompt. |
| 19:13.32 | rioch | well the script works on its own. |
| 19:13.33 | rgr | (if no instance it creates one) |
| 19:13.34 | wizardslovak | is there way to maybe point pc do install os from website? |
| 19:13.37 | rioch | ill check with the mint folks |
| 19:13.39 | rioch | thanks for helping |
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| 19:14.59 | bechampy | hi there, i am trying to get gnash to work but i get no sound. I have oss4 installed. When using oss4 from the repo, gnash, flash32 and flash64 have no sound. When using the oss4 deb from the opensound website, i have sound with flash64 but not with flash32 or gnash. Anybody got an idea how to solve this? |
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| 19:17.13 | rsc | Evening folks. What's the standard PKI/SSL directory at Debian where e.g. the Root Certificate Authorities are located? |
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| 19:22.37 | heraclitus_ | hi, i have no problem right now |
| 19:23.43 | krisfremen | guys, anyone having problems with X11 under squeeze? |
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| 19:24.11 | d1b | !testing |
| 19:24.11 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 19:24.38 | krisfremen | i know that, i'm just asking |
| 19:25.22 | krisfremen | having one helluva bumpy ride atm, and i can't figure out what's the problem |
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| 19:26.27 | heraclitus_ | i made the radeon hd4350 sound work... hd4350 has its own sound and it takes sound to itself by default... so, i had to swap the first two slots in alsa-base.conf and it worked... |
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| 19:28.07 | heraclitus_ | but i wonder why this cannot be done from gnome sound preferences, like in that lovely windoes way, do you want to restart your computer now or, later... |
| 19:28.28 | thewanderer1 | how to configure a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces without giving it an IP address? |
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| 19:29.24 | thrashold | thewanderer1: I don't know how to configure a bridge, but I guess you're looking for the manual method. Use 'manual' instead of 'static' |
| 19:29.57 | thewanderer1 | oh, ok... I have one bridge with "static" and it seems to work, but this is not the case apparently for one with a blank configuration |
| 19:30.11 | d1b | man interfaces |
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| 19:30.32 | ubsafder | in the repository ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ i have a pb with the checksums |
| 19:31.05 | heraclitus_ | and the most surprising, no one talked about changing the conf file that way, in spite that it is the easiest... anyway, i guess no newbie can get the sound work with hd4350, and it is now one of the most widespread cheap graphics cards... |
| 19:31.05 | d1b | ubsafder: erh? |
| 19:31.19 | d1b | heraclitus_: file a bug in debian and report it |
| 19:31.26 | d1b | so that it can be known and fixed by others |
| 19:31.29 | d1b | !reportbug |
| 19:31.29 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 19:32.45 | heraclitus_ | d1b, when it is a bug, it's a gnome bug i guess, as alsa has no configuration utility any more... |
| 19:32.54 | thewanderer1 | great, there is not even a single word on bridges in `man interfaces` |
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| 19:33.20 | d1b | heraclitus_: dpkg-reconfigure alsa ? / alsa-config? |
| 19:33.23 | ubsafder | for the file /debian/dists/sid/non-free/source/Sources.gz does not match SHA256 of ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release |
| 19:33.30 | d1b | i forget what it is exactly :) |
| 19:33.36 | d1b | heraclitus_: in anycase file a bug :) |
| 19:33.39 | d1b | it sounds like a bug to me |
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| 19:35.01 | thewanderer1 | device vhbrgim is a bridge device itself; can't enslave a bridge device to a bridge device. -- this is what I get when I hack it by putting "bridge_ports vhbrgim" in vhbrgim stanza... |
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| 19:35.12 | thewanderer1 | and it won't accept an empty bridge. how cool :P |
| 19:35.31 | heraclitus_ | d1b, alsa-config is removed... alsa doesn't otherwise need a configuration indeed, except when there is more than one sound card... |
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| 19:36.58 | xoz | !ethernet-bridge |
| 19:37.01 | ubsafder | oh i am sorry it matches the checksum are ok |
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| 19:37.13 | xoz | !bridge-utils |
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| 19:37.30 | xoz | ok, apt-cache show bridge-utils |
| 19:37.46 | dockimble | what is the easiest way to update the kernel to the latest version? |
| 19:38.01 | ubsafder | debmirror is probably not using sha256 yet is it ? |
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| 19:39.11 | abrotman | dockimble: what is your current kernel ? uname -r ? |
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| 19:39.27 | heraclitus_ | hehe, i go to gnome... |
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| 19:44.44 | taras | hi. does squeezes xorg read xorg.conf at all? |
| 19:45.09 | taras | it doesn't react for changes in "Generic Keyboard" |
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| 19:50.28 | abrotman | taras: it can |
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| 20:01.18 | taras | abrotman: but how? I did like dpkg recommends for "xorg squeeze", and still not working |
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| 20:01.56 | abrotman | what doesn't work ? |
| 20:02.02 | abrotman | did you check the xorg log ? |
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| 20:03.00 | taras | log says that file /etc/X11/xorg.conf is loaded |
| 20:03.40 | taras | but I don't see that my changes are applied |
| 20:03.55 | ix_ | Can i setup a pppoe connexion without pppoeconf? |
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| 20:08.46 | smv | decided that he has no other reasons to keep using the UnderNet. if, and only if, you do need him, you can find him on irc.geo.oftc.org under the same nickname. |
| 20:09.46 | taras | I want to change AccelMethod, but its still UXA, though I've used and edited the template produced by "X -configure" |
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| 20:11.47 | taras | and restarted X, of course |
| 20:13.15 | smv | sorry for the last messages. didn't know it's working on all servers at the same time. :( |
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| 20:16.41 | abrotman | taras: perhaps your config options are wrong? did you read the whole log ? |
| 20:17.19 | Niklas- | Is there a way to for a user to change his own password from a shell script, without using expect? |
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| 20:18.56 | xyan | there isnt since providing a password via a commandline switch bears the risk of revealing the password to another user using ps in just that moment |
| 20:19.13 | abrotman | or if they can read your history |
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| 20:20.10 | Niklas- | I know about the "risks" involved, but is it sure there is no way around? |
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| 20:22.24 | abrotman | man usermod, man 3 crypt |
| 20:23.19 | Niklas- | usermod requires the user to be root |
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| 20:24.16 | taras | abrotman: if I make them wrong intentionally, then it doesn't start at all, |
| 20:24.21 | abrotman | okay |
| 20:25.16 | abrotman | Niklas-: bleh .. that's goofy |
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| 20:26.22 | Niklas- | I guess i have an option if i ssh from a machine that has expect installed |
| 20:26.27 | Niklas- | eg, run the ssh client from expect |
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| 20:33.38 | oznt | hi everyone |
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| 20:34.34 | oznt | i'm desperately looking to buy a laptop with freedos/linux/no os at all in Germany, if someone here knows a shop which sells laptops with the above, please let me know |
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| 20:35.28 | heraclitus_ | d1b, the problem may be that my alsa config file is not the right one... the update has often failed to delete my old config files, so this may be a problem now too... |
| 20:35.47 | abrotman | oznt: you'd probably do better to ask a channel for that language ... |
| 20:36.00 | oznt | abrotman, debian-de ? |
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| 20:36.45 | viezerd | oznt: iirc Dell sells such laptops, but I cant help you to a shop |
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| 20:37.25 | abrotman | oznt: there is a large #ubuntu-de on this network |
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| 20:40.02 | _Dave123_ | I have a debian linux server, from leaseweb, and I would like to set up X11 so I can remote view with VNC.. Anyone has got a tutorial on how I could do this? |
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| 20:43.36 | heraclitus_ | d1b, there is a thing called pulseaudio, gnome sound preferences use this... but maybe it is not switched on in alsa config file or there should be no config file... i cannot know, because there is alsa wiki, but there is nothing said about the thing called pulseaudio... |
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| 20:45.45 | acu | i am trying to share a newly format hard disk -and it tells even to the root - that only home folder can be shared |
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| 20:47.06 | dockimble | what package would autogenerate an xorg.conf file? |
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| 20:47.49 | iceroot | _Dave123_: try learning ssh + bash instead of installing a gui on the server |
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| 20:49.58 | jeanuel | hi, I'm looking for help to install my lenny : impossible to configure the X server |
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| 20:50.13 | abrotman | jeanuel: which video card? |
| 20:50.43 | jeanuel | ati radeon hd 6000 |
| 20:50.50 | jeanuel | it works perfectly with mandriva |
| 20:51.16 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 20:51.16 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The fglrx-driver version in <testing> supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:52.58 | jeanuel | ok. But in fact, X starts, but my monitor warn me "unable to display the signal" |
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| 20:53.43 | jeanuel | i have tried to copy the xorg.conf file from mandriva but no way to obtain an image |
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| 21:00.16 | jeanuel | so in fact my problem is about the configuration off the monitor, not about the configuration of the video card |
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| 21:04.01 | Trashi | hi guys. i have a little "postfix-question" about the "mydestination" parameter. is it the right one to configure the domain which postfix should listen for? because if my postfix receives a new mail, its refused with the error msg: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table .. what could be the reason for this problem? |
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| 21:44.08 | sweetpi | this has bugged me for years, is there a way to see what package would provide a file from a standard install? like dpkg -S foo, except for packages that are not installed. |
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| 21:45.45 | zuhat | sweetpi: have you tested apt-file ? |
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| 21:46.16 | sweetpi | zuhat: yes ive used it, i was looking for something that would be installed with the standard task |
| 21:47.17 | sweetpi | zuhat: i guess its impossible without a program that would get all package content lists huh? |
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| 21:53.20 | sweetpi | sweetpi: i guess that sounded like a stupid question. let me rephrase |
| 21:53.35 | sweetpi | now im talking to my self :p |
| 21:54.08 | zuhat | :) |
| 21:54.28 | sweetpi | is there a way to access the debian packages site from a script or something? |
| 21:54.37 | zuhat | was searchin the web with exit status != 0 |
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| 21:57.36 | sweetpi | oh well i guess i just need to stop being stupid and install apt-file on the boxes |
| 21:58.34 | zuhat | sweetpi: don't give up yet :) |
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| 21:58.52 | zuhat | there has to be some way to do that |
| 22:00.30 | |grzesag| | HI can you help me please wiht ssl and virtual hosts? |
| 22:00.43 | sweetpi | zuhat: I dont think anything from standard installs Contents*.gz, ill do a quick find |
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| 22:02.12 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: what is your question? |
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| 22:02.56 | |grzesag| | I did set up web server apache and run on it 3 sites works fine - as virtual host |
| 22:03.24 | |grzesag| | now what i want to do is to run those sites an well ober ssl - https bu settings virtual hosts |
| 22:03.50 | |grzesag| | the problem is that if I enter https://iplocalofserver page is ok |
| 22:03.59 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: you realize you have to have different ips for each host to use ssl on them? |
| 22:04.13 | |grzesag| | if I enter https://domain pointing to my server doesnt work? |
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| 22:05.24 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: i.e. each ip can only serve one cert |
| 22:06.02 | |grzesag| | sweetpi: i have set up virtualhost for each site, and for each site diffrent certs |
| 22:06.28 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: and each vhost has a different ip? |
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| 22:06.59 | |grzesag| | sweetpi: no, |
| 22:07.12 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: then it wont work |
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| 22:07.58 | |grzesag| | sweetpi:http will run multiple sites on the same IP by using vhost but https no |
| 22:08.21 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: correct, 1 ip to 1 cert |
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| 22:09.44 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: its because ssl starts negotiating before your browser has a chance of telling the server what domain your trying to access |
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| 22:09.56 | meh2 | Hey guys, im on debian 64bits and as everybody else i have problems with flash, i get "Adobe Flash Player error: could not load cURL library" and ive tried several guides on howto setup flash for deb64bits but none of em works, strange thing though is that ive installed chrome on the same computer and the libflashplayer.so file for chrome works =/ |
| 22:10.32 | |grzesag| | sweetpi: how i can do that - setting sub-interfaces in my case 3 if I want run 3 sites over https?? |
| 22:10.36 | meh2 | I even cp the libflashplayer.so file to every firefox/mozilla/plugins directory |
| 22:11.41 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: yes, or different ports, or https://domain/domain_without_cert something like that |
| 22:11.52 | meh2 | i tried the guide where you use nspluginwrapper for the .so file |
| 22:12.44 | |grzesag| | sweetpi: ok thanks for time and adive I will try now - I have spend so much time and could not find any info about that thanks again appreciate your help |
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| 22:13.37 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: np, also #httpd if you need more detailed advice |
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| 22:15.52 | |grzesag| | sweetpi: yes I was banned from this channel and have not idea how to access this channel again - any advice? |
| 22:16.53 | |grzesag| | sweetpi: I am new to the IRC just started a few days ago |
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| 22:17.20 | dockimble | is there a tutorial on how to connect to a wifi network from the command line? |
| 22:18.05 | sweetpi | !register |
| 22:18.05 | dpkg | sweetpi: /msg nickserv help |
| 22:18.15 | sweetpi | |grzesag|: ^^ |
| 22:19.41 | sweetpi | dockimble: what type of encryption? |
| 22:19.47 | dockimble | wpa |
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| 22:21.02 | sweetpi | dockimble: i make a wpa_supplicant.conf then use wpa-conf in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:21.18 | zuhat | sweetpi: have you tried with bash script to acomplish what you want to do? |
| 22:21.33 | sweetpi | sweetpi: not sure how to do it all without configs |
| 22:21.38 | zuhat | I mean with your own issue |
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| 22:22.19 | sweetpi | zuhat: no i havent, i usually just go to the site and search or get access to a box that has apt-file |
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| 22:23.10 | sweetpi | dockimble: gah.. talking to myself again ^^ |
| 22:23.57 | dockimble | ah |
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| 22:24.24 | dockimble | ok, i was just going to modifiy the interfaces file per instance and comment it out when i am done |
| 22:25.11 | sweetpi | dockimble: s/instance/ssid/ ? |
| 22:25.24 | dockimble | ??? |
| 22:25.38 | sweetpi | dockimble: you mean per-network? |
| 22:25.45 | dockimble | yes, |
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| 22:26.03 | zuhat | sweetpi: but you prefer a bash script that looks up packages.debian.org to see what file resides in what package instead of installing apt-file yes? |
| 22:26.18 | sweetpi | dockimble: wpa_supplicant can handle multiple networks |
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| 22:26.31 | dockimble | i want something fast and easy |
| 22:26.53 | sweetpi | zuhat: that would be ideal because of space |
| 22:27.32 | themill | sweetpi: judd can do that for you here. /msg judd help file |
| 22:27.33 | sweetpi | dockimble: each network would only be a few lines in the config |
| 22:28.03 | sweetpi | themill: i know, but im not on irc all the time :) |
| 22:28.15 | zuhat | sweetpi: I'll look around or try to figure out how to write such script but I'm noob :) msg me your e-mail or something so I can reach you if you are not around here a lot? |
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| 22:29.05 | sweetpi | zuhat: its ok, ill whip up a script in a bit |
| 22:29.06 | dockimble | so how do you make that wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 22:29.40 | sweetpi | dockimble: first you need to install wpasupplicant |
| 22:29.47 | dockimble | done |
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| 22:31.37 | sweetpi | dockimble: then for each network add http://pastebin.com/BnHf06sv to /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 22:32.10 | sweetpi | dockimble: then in interfaces put wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 22:33.06 | sweetpi | dockimble: and thats it |
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| 22:35.06 | dockimble | and then how do you use it |
| 22:35.32 | sweetpi | ifup wlan0 |
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| 22:36.25 | dockimble | so you put where "network" is in the pastebin the name of the wifi device? |
| 22:36.54 | sweetpi | dockimble: no, only change the parts that say "your_*" |
| 22:37.56 | sweetpi | dockimble: just add multiple network{...} to the config |
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| 22:40.41 | dockimble | it isn't working |
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| 22:42.07 | sweetpi | dockimble: ok, what exactly isnt working? |
| 22:42.34 | dockimble | nevermind |
| 22:42.37 | dockimble | found it |
| 22:43.43 | sweetpi | meh |
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| 22:45.53 | _Dave123_ | I have a debian linux server, from leaseweb, and I would like to set up X11 so I can remote view with VNC.. Anyone has got a tutorial on how I could do this? |
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| 22:51.04 | nkuttler | _Dave123_: why do you need a tutorial? look into x forwarding as well, you might prefer that |
| 22:51.57 | _Dave123_ | nkuttler: I just want to have a remote linux desktop (vnc) that I can access |
| 22:52.01 | _Dave123_ | and install things such as vbox |
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| 22:53.24 | nkuttler | !tell _Dave123_ about set up x |
| 22:53.56 | _Dave123_ | oki |
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| 22:56.19 | Rusty1 | http://pastebin.com/MtZrfcLr |
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| 22:56.48 | Rusty1 | cant seem to get apt(itude) to work because of it |
| 22:57.14 | Rusty1 | cp'd the backups, same |
| 22:58.06 | Rusty1 | now upgrade thinks i get 1000+ packge upgrade |
| 22:58.15 | BlackFate | Rusty1, 1) backup this file.. its very important not to mess this file up 2) edit the file and search for virtualbox and replace in version _ with ~ |
| 22:58.40 | BlackFate | and try again |
| 22:59.00 | BlackFate | Rusty1, but before you do anything.. backup this file |
| 22:59.10 | Rusty1 | replace the underscore with a tilde |
| 22:59.20 | BlackFate | y |
| 22:59.20 | Rusty1 | it's backed up in a couple places |
| 23:00.36 | sweetpi | hmm thats pretty nasty.. and on stable? |
| 23:01.01 | BlackFate | sweetpi, it's 3d party package issue |
| 23:01.22 | sweetpi | BlackFate: oh I see |
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| 23:10.43 | meh2 | possible to get lenny installation from a older debian boot cd? |
| 23:11.21 | OpenTokix | meh2: if you have a full cd, you can always install and then do a dist-upgrade |
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| 23:11.52 | meh2 | =( no thats not good |
| 23:11.59 | meh2 | i only have dvd's |
| 23:12.03 | meh2 | no regular cd's |
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| 23:12.17 | meh2 | and no disc either |
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| 23:12.34 | meh2 | i'd like a netinstall without any media |
| 23:12.47 | meh2 | that would be something |
| 23:13.17 | moldovean | meh2, what is now installed on ? |
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| 23:13.30 | sweetpi | zuhat: dont think i can receive files |
| 23:13.37 | zuhat | sweetpi: ok :) |
| 23:13.45 | meh2 | debian 64bits lenny |
| 23:13.50 | sweetpi | zuhat: could you pastebin it? |
| 23:13.53 | meh2 | but i want to intsall 32bits |
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| 23:14.09 | moldovean | !debootstrap |
| 23:14.09 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 23:14.12 | meh2 | and dont have any empty cd's only empty dvd's |
| 23:14.19 | zuhat | sweetpi: yes, but here it looks like you got the file but i'll do paste bin |
| 23:14.26 | moldovean | meh2, ^^ |
| 23:14.29 | OpenTokix | meh2: So you want to install from something that say apples apples apples but you want to install oranges oranges orangaes? |
| 23:14.52 | sweetpi | zuhat: it tried, but gave an error downloading |
| 23:14.58 | meh2 | hehe |
| 23:15.01 | meh2 | ill check that out |
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| 23:16.16 | sweetpi | zuhat: please try again, it was a permission problem |
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| 23:17.35 | zuhat | sweetpi: try it :) http://pastebin.com/4bRKCV9r |
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| 23:19.35 | zuhat | sweetpi: does it work? |
| 23:19.56 | sweetpi | zuhat: I dont have links |
| 23:20.34 | zuhat | sweetpi: base installation yes? :) I forgat :p |
| 23:20.40 | zuhat | forgot |
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| 23:21.03 | sweetpi | zuhat: yep, standard task |
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| 23:21.35 | zuhat | sweetpi: it didn't work when there was several packages anyway :) |
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| 23:24.07 | sweetpi | zuhat: what does links --dump do? |
| 23:24.09 | heraclitus_ | found out that why gnome sound preferences don't work properly is about the pulseaudio integration problems, ohh... |
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| 23:24.39 | bocaneri | heraclitus_, ubuntu? |
| 23:24.52 | zuhat | sweetpi: it dumps the html file as it shows on a web browser and hides all hmtl tags and stuff |
| 23:24.56 | heraclitus_ | no, debian of course... |
| 23:25.15 | bocaneri | I wasn't aware pulseaudio installed with debian yet. |
| 23:26.25 | zuhat | sweetpi: it was easier to grep for results in that way then trying to grep it with html codes |
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| 23:27.51 | zuhat | *got to smoke* |
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| 23:28.38 | heraclitus_ | bocaneri, yes it installs, only sound doesn't go through it... how in hell could i otherwise get the master volume control in the task bar... |
| 23:28.44 | syslq | I have boot partition on lvm2 volume, grub 2 seems to be handling it ok, is this bad idea / practice in general these days? |
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| 23:29.38 | heraclitus_ | bocaneri, because gnome audio preferences don't run when pulseaudio daemon is not running... |
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| 23:32.02 | heraclitus_ | i don't need pulseaudio at all, but alsa is a kind of text mode thing, i just cannot change volume in any normal way... |
| 23:32.24 | Rusty1 | BlackFate: had to edit /var/lib/dpkg/available as well |
| 23:32.38 | xyan | heraclitus_: alsamixergui |
| 23:32.57 | xyan | also gnome/kde and whatnot incorporate their own applets |
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| 23:34.05 | Rusty1 | cp'd a backup of status earlier which is out of sync with what's currently installed, is there a way to bring it current? |
| 23:35.11 | heraclitus_ | xyan, it's the whole mixer, not very convenient when it pops up when you watch a video... |
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| 23:36.38 | xyan | heraclitus_: than get a video player which controls the volume |
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| 23:39.01 | heraclitus_ | xyan, i want the volume to be under control, no matter where the sound comes... |
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| 23:39.36 | icebrain | no multimedia keys? |
| 23:39.45 | icebrain | that's what I use with alsa |
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| 23:40.08 | xyan | im glad i have an external soundcard with a _hardware_ knob -- full control all the time |
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| 23:40.59 | icebrain | that's not handy for a laptop :) |
| 23:41.26 | xyan | but it sounds 1000 times better than every hd audio crap ;) |
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| 23:53.55 | BlackFate | Rusty1, get the latest version of virtualbox and purge your old one.. in the new versions they fixed it |
| 23:54.36 | Rusty1 | k, their repo is in my sources.lst |
| 23:57.45 | Rusty1 | is having a debian nightmare thanks to virtualbox |