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| 00:06.41 | zealiod | can i poll a mac address on the network to see what 802.11q VLAN tag its carrying? |
| 00:06.42 | r15 | installation complete, wow lenny is too good, great! |
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| 00:08.46 | Gabtendo | What's in the standard build here as opposed to say the GNOME build?: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 00:08.50 | Gabtendo | same except no GUI? |
| 00:08.55 | Gabtendo | ? |
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| 00:11.08 | mmnicolas | Gabtendo: wait i can tell you that |
| 00:11.13 | mmnicolas | i have live-helper installed |
| 00:11.37 | Gabtendo | so...? |
| 00:11.49 | mmnicolas | console-setup console-common kbd locales eject file user-setup sudo |
| 00:11.58 | mmnicolas | and everything that depends on that |
| 00:12.18 | Gabtendo | so it is what I said |
| 00:12.24 | mmnicolas | its like rescue without the rescue tools |
| 00:12.29 | Gabtendo | basically everything but a GUI? |
| 00:12.39 | Gabtendo | (and everything that needs a GUI...) |
| 00:12.41 | Gabtendo | ? |
| 00:12.51 | mmnicolas | no, its a lot more minimal that than |
| 00:12.51 | r15 | however i am not getting list of wireless networks? in F13 i can see all other wifi networks, |
| 00:13.02 | Gabtendo | oh, ok :P |
| 00:13.03 | jordanm | someone please remind me which package contains emacs documentation.. |
| 00:13.05 | Gabtendo | so like |
| 00:13.12 | Gabtendo | minimal possible installation? |
| 00:13.35 | mmnicolas | minimal is: eject file user-setup sudo |
| 00:13.42 | mmnicolas | the standard includes the minimal |
| 00:13.47 | Gabtendo | k |
| 00:13.54 | Gabtendo | thanks |
| 00:14.21 | sweetpi | zuhat: http://pastebin.com/FzxdUahy |
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| 00:15.40 | sweetpi | zuhat: ugly, but it works :) |
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| 00:17.32 | jordanm | sweetpi: very |
| 00:17.37 | beardy | jordanm: Are you sure there is one for the "self-documeting text editor"? |
| 00:18.15 | jordanm | beardy: well, yes, but it is seperate in debian because of GDL not being dfsg compatible |
| 00:19.16 | jordanm | or perhaps is not "gdl".. since I can't find the factoid. the gnu document liciense |
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| 00:19.39 | beardy | jordanm: Then it's in the emacs<version>-common-non-dfsg |
| 00:20.33 | jordanm | beardy: that seems to be for version 21, but if it includedes the 21 documentation, I can live with that |
| 00:20.37 | jordanm | thanks |
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| 00:21.05 | jordanm | nvm, 23 is there.... |
| 00:21.21 | beardy | No problem. Yes, I see 21, 22, 23 (sid). |
| 00:21.40 | sweetpi | jordanm: his script used links, but it doesnt come with the standard task, so thats why there is a bunch of regex, plus im no regex guru :) |
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| 00:22.53 | jordanm | sweetpi: I missed the overall goal... is it doing the same as aptitude search ~pstandard? |
| 00:23.22 | sweetpi | jordanm: the same as apt-file basically |
| 00:23.24 | jordanm | beardy: that was correct, thanks again |
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| 00:24.40 | sweetpi | jordanm: I needed apt-file, without apt-file. (space reasons) |
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| 00:25.40 | jordanm | sweetpi: couldn't you use plaing grep on Contents.gz? |
| 00:25.46 | jordanm | plain |
| 00:26.13 | sweetpi | jordanm: the size of Contents.gz is what was stopping me from using apt-file |
| 00:26.25 | jordanm | ah, ok |
| 00:27.11 | r15 | http://pastebin.com/j2w07PWA |
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| 00:27.45 | r15 | i am getting error while configuring my wifi, |
| 00:27.47 | r15 | wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0 |
| 00:27.50 | r15 | http://pastebin.com/j2w07PWA |
| 00:28.52 | r15 | in wpasupplicant.conf i added entries same as from wpa_supplicant.conf man pages. |
| 00:29.00 | r15 | home wifi section. |
| 00:31.15 | r15 | any idea? |
| 00:32.19 | r15 | Jul 31 20:31:46 debian kernel: [ 1630.255922] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:10:00.0 disabled |
| 00:33.04 | mmnicolas | r15: seems the interface doesnt work |
| 00:33.21 | mmnicolas | can't even scan for APs |
| 00:33.49 | jordanm | r15: wpasupplicant.conf usually does not need the default confi modified. what kind of card do you have? |
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| 00:33.59 | jordanm | mmnicolas: you too, lspci -nn |
| 00:34.11 | r15 | just a moment |
| 00:34.20 | mmnicolas | jordanm: ? |
| 00:34.40 | Magui | hello, all. I did a safe-upgrade a couple of weeks ago, and I'm having some trouble with kde now. mostly looks and runs normally, except that any mouse-click in a GUI app takes a long time to produce a response (like clicking on a button, or clicking on a menu item). |
| 00:34.46 | r15 | 10:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
| 00:34.53 | FabParma | [OT] I use Ubuntu 10.04, my apt source are updated and i discovered that GParted installed is Version: 0.5.1-1ubuntu2 and on the http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ the last stable release is "0.6.1-2"? My question is, all distributions have these delays or it is specific for Ubuntu? |
| 00:35.09 | jordanm | FabParma: please use #ubuntu |
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| 00:35.14 | Magui | this only affects GUI apps. at the command-line, everything runs fine. I am hoping someone else in here has run into this, and has a quick fix. |
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| 00:35.37 | jordanm | FabParma: oh, should have finished reading the question, sorry. |
| 00:35.38 | Magui | here's some information about my set-up. the affected computer is a laptop running debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, kde version 4.4.5. |
| 00:36.03 | sweetpi | , versions gparted |
| 00:36.04 | judd | gparted -- etch: 0.2.5-2; lenny: 0.3.8-1+b1; sid: 0.6.0-1; squeeze: 0.6.0-1 |
| 00:36.05 | r15 | mmnicolas/jordanm: 10:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
| 00:36.07 | jordanm | FabParma: ubuntu is more on the bleeding-edge side of things, and will have newer packagews than a stable distro such as debian or centos |
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| 00:36.32 | jordanm | r15: did you install the non-free firmware? |
| 00:36.32 | FabParma | jordanm: I used #ubuntu, they say: download the last stable live cd ... do you think it is a normal pocedure for a linux user? |
| 00:36.37 | Magui | I had been running kde 4.4.4 when this problem first started (I believe I was running it for about two weeks with no problems at the time). I saw that sid was up to version 4.4.5 last week, so I upgraded to that, in hopes of fixing this. it doesn't seem to have changed anything. |
| 00:36.41 | jordanm | !iwlwifi |
| 00:36.41 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:36.51 | Davids | Where are the hot bitches in here |
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| 00:37.10 | jordanm | FabParma: I can't comment on their procedures. that really varies per distro. in debian we upgrade to a new release every 2-4 years |
| 00:37.15 | r15 | jordanm: i just did network installation, default packages. |
| 00:37.16 | Davids | Come on don't be shy lol |
| 00:37.24 | jordanm | Davids: you know you joined a linux support channel? |
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| 00:37.52 | jordanm | r15: see the iwlwifi factoid above. you need firmware-iwlwifi from non-free |
| 00:37.53 | Magui | umm...I don't mean that I upgraded to sid. I only mean that I upgrade the kde packages using the packages in sid. but my system is (mostly) still squeeze. |
| 00:38.38 | ricanplayad | Hum |
| 00:38.43 | r15 | yes. checking, |
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| 00:40.55 | FabParma | jordanm: thank you for the representative example ;) |
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| 00:42.20 | linux2 | how do I reconfigure alsa now that I don't have alsaconf? |
| 00:43.08 | jordanm | linux2: in theory, you should no longer have to |
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| 00:44.01 | linux2 | jordanm, yeah, but for some reason I have 3 sound cards configured in this machine, but it can only access 1 (as the other 2 have been long since removed). I just want to clear out the config file |
| 00:45.36 | jordanm | linux2: all alsaconf did was write a conf file to load the proper modules in /etc/modprobe.d/*. I believe there is an init script now that is supossed to handle it |
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| 00:47.13 | linux2 | jordanm, ok I got it |
| 00:47.14 | linux2 | thanks |
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| 00:48.05 | nocturnus | Is it okay to use the word 'jewed' here, as in "That store jewed out its customers by not allowing them to sort items by price in their e-shop? |
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| 00:49.11 | nocturnus | how about if i'm jewish, can i use that word like how the blacks have the n-word, even though half of them aren't from Niger or Nigeria? |
| 00:49.11 | jordanm | nocturnus: it is not ok to troll |
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| 00:49.22 | jordanm | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:49.57 | r15 | jordanm: Thanks, it's working now. |
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| 00:50.24 | r15 | mmnicolas/jordanm: Thank you. |
| 00:50.41 | jordanm | r15: nice! np |
| 00:51.31 | mmnicolas | forwards credits to jordanm for knowing all that dpkg trickeries |
| 00:52.03 | olorin_ | dondelelcaro: It must be the weekend... |
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| 01:07.16 | Magui | hello, all. I did a safe-upgrade a couple of weeks ago, and I'm having some trouble with kde now. mostly looks and runs normally, except that any mouse-click in a GUI app takes a long time to produce a response (like clicking on a button, or clicking on a menu item). |
| 01:07.39 | Magui | this only affects GUI apps. at the command-line, everything runs fine. I am hoping someone else in here has run into this, and has a quick fix. |
| 01:08.00 | Magui | here's some information about my set-up. the affected computer is a laptop running debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, kde version 4.4.5. |
| 01:08.36 | Magui | I had been running kde 4.4.4 when this problem first started (I believe I was running it for about two weeks with no problems at the time). I saw that sid was up to version 4.4.5 last week, so I upgraded all the kde packages that I saw there, in hopes of fixing this. it doesn't seem to have changed anything. |
| 01:12.37 | Magui | also, it's not just mouse-events that are affected. a few minutes ago, I tried launching iceweasel on the laptop. first, iceweasel brought up the window for the Add-On Manager to let me know that there is an update for one of my add-ons. this window took about 2 minutes (approx.) to fully come up. |
| 01:13.48 | Magui | I installed this add-on update, and then iceweasel took another minute or minute and a half to launch (normally launches within seconds). |
| 01:13.49 | sweetpi | Magui: sounds like a hardware problem, or something is eating your cpu or disk io |
| 01:14.07 | dondelelcaro | Magui: hrm; not sure. Can you strace a process which shows this behavoir? |
| 01:14.15 | Magui | when I click on the "File" menu, or try to open a new tab in iceweasel, both of these events take more than a minute to get a response. |
| 01:14.30 | Magui | cpu is less than 10% usage, while all this is happening. |
| 01:14.51 | Magui | strace? oh, sure...never used that before, actually. |
| 01:15.06 | dondelelcaro | Magui: the output of strace -rf -o foo iceweasel; will be particularly useful |
| 01:15.33 | dondelelcaro | Magui: you can then tail foo; (or whatever you call the output), and then see what happens when you click or it fails |
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| 01:15.52 | Magui | sweetpi: disk io is also fairly idle...I watch all this stuff in conky, and it shows low activity for the hard disk...also the hard disk activity light doesn't show heavy use when this is happening. |
| 01:15.52 | sweetpi | Magui: what about ram and swap usage, and disk io? |
| 01:16.11 | sweetpi | ah ok |
| 01:16.31 | Magui | sweetpi: swap usage is 0 (I rebooted just a couple of hours ago, and then did this stuff in iceweasel afterwards). ram is about... |
| 01:16.43 | Magui | 394 MB used, out of 2.95 GB |
| 01:16.54 | Magui | dondelelcaro: let me try that strace thing. |
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| 01:17.33 | dondelelcaro | Magui: my guess, though, is that you've managed to screw up DNS or similar (or that loopback isn't up, or something like that) |
| 01:18.06 | Magui | dondelelcaro: dolphin shows the same behavior. |
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| 01:19.14 | Magui | dondelelcaro: at least, it has for the last couple of weeks (haven't tried it today). when I launch dolphin, it takes a minute or two for it to fully launch. the dolphin window pops up, then it shows nothing but blank gray, and then displays the directories, and so on. |
| 01:19.18 | dondelelcaro | Magui: yes, pick anything which shows the behavoir (simpler the better), and start it under strace and see what it is doing |
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| 01:19.33 | Magui | dondelelcaro: OK. I'll do it with dolphin, then. |
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| 01:20.56 | Magui | output is: |
| 01:21.34 | dondelelcaro | Magui: use a paste site. It should be a few thousand lines. |
| 01:21.58 | Magui | Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) |
| 01:22.13 | Magui | dondelelcaro: a few thousand?!? hehehe |
| 01:22.28 | Magui | I was gonna type it in by hand...I'm chatting on a different machine |
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| 01:23.28 | dondelelcaro | Magui: that's not the strace output; the output is written to a file called foo. |
| 01:23.43 | dondelelcaro | Magui: I need to know the output, and approximately the point in that file where it stopped responding |
| 01:23.59 | Magui | oh. |
| 01:24.02 | dondelelcaro | Magui: paste sites allow you to upload files, so you can do that |
| 01:24.49 | Magui | gotcha. OK. I still have iceweasel open on the laptop. I'll need a few minutes to do this. all GUI apps are abnormally sluggish on this thing now. |
| 01:29.54 | Magui | ummm |
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| 01:30.06 | Magui | foo now has a size of 585 MB, and still growing. |
| 01:30.15 | Magui | dondelelcaro: is it supposed to be doing this? |
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| 01:32.49 | dondelelcaro | Magui: yerp |
| 01:33.12 | dondelelcaro | Magui: you want to stop iceweasel after you've seen it being sluggish |
| 01:33.35 | dondelelcaro | (it should be running for all of 2-3 minutes; that's it) |
| 01:33.57 | Magui | dondelelcaro: oh...well... |
| 01:34.22 | ranix | hm I never have any problems with iceweasel being sluggish |
| 01:34.33 | ranix | until about 5 minutes after I start using it |
| 01:34.33 | Magui | dondelelcaro: these apps start off sluggish, and then take a long time to respond to mouse-clicks, or typing, or anything else, afterwards. |
| 01:34.45 | Magui | iceweasel, dolphin...amarok...whatever. |
| 01:35.19 | Magui | maybe I could just run strace from the start of the app, and then do a couple of things and then quit the app. how about that? |
| 01:35.41 | dondelelcaro | Magui: that's good enough, but you'll have to know what time it's being sluggish at, and you'll have to look through the logs, too |
| 01:35.43 | Magui | oh..and then show you what foo looks like. |
| 01:35.47 | dondelelcaro | Magui: how slow are we talking about, too? |
| 01:36.22 | Magui | about 1 to two minutes. I can't see a pattern to the delay. |
| 01:36.50 | Magui | that's from an input (mouse-click, typing, etc.) until I see the response in the app. |
| 01:37.00 | dondelelcaro | that's fine; that's long enough to be some timeout |
| 01:37.06 | Magui | OK. |
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| 01:38.34 | dondelelcaro | another useful alternative is the output of strace -ttf -o foo fooapp; assuming you look at what time the computer says when you're doing this |
| 01:38.42 | dondelelcaro | Magui: and I assume that the mouse continues working, etc, right? |
| 01:39.46 | ranix | oh that happens to me also |
| 01:39.53 | Magui | yeah, yeah...everything on this laptop runs normally...except this weird delay in these gui apps. the cursor moves around normally, and everything. and like I said, I have no trouble running my usual command-line apps. |
| 01:40.10 | ranix | I was assuming it had something to do with iceweasel timing out writing something to its directory in my homedir, because it's mounted via a network share |
| 01:40.13 | Magui | and this affects all GUI apps that I've tried so far. |
| 01:41.15 | zuhat | sweetpi: are you there? |
| 01:42.23 | sweetpi | zuhat: yes |
| 01:43.07 | zuhat | sweetpi: give me an example of a file you would search for |
| 01:43.25 | sweetpi | zuhat: did you see the updated script? |
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| 01:44.23 | zuhat | sweetpi: nope |
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| 01:44.32 | sweetpi | zuhat: http://pastebin.com/FzxdUahy |
| 01:44.51 | sweetpi | zuhat: its ugly, but does the job :) |
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| 01:45.47 | zuhat | sweetpi: I'll try now. did you update it? |
| 01:45.52 | sweetpi | zuhat: yes |
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| 01:47.25 | zuhat | sweetpi: :D it was nice |
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| 01:47.38 | moldovean | ranix, on amd64 kernel too ? |
| 01:47.41 | zuhat | sweetpi: I changed the script to not use links etc. |
| 01:48.03 | zuhat | sweetpi: have a look, but when I search for 'grep' it gives too much output |
| 01:48.17 | zuhat | maybe you can look at it, it has a better output then yours :p |
| 01:48.27 | zuhat | sweetpi: http://pastebin.com/nd552kgD |
| 01:48.35 | sweetpi | zuhat: yes my output is pretty nasty :) |
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| 01:49.43 | zuhat | sweetpi: don't know why the outpus is that long |
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| 01:50.45 | zuhat | or how to make the search pattern too search for the exact file instead of everything that has the search pattern in it |
| 01:51.04 | sweetpi | zuhat: yes looks much better |
| 01:51.28 | sweetpi | zuhat: now to figure out why it has double entries :) |
| 01:52.20 | zuhat | sweetpi: yea, it's not easy :p |
| 01:52.48 | sweetpi | zuhat: i had the same problem with my version, cant remember what i did to fix it |
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| 01:54.22 | zuhat | sweetpi: when i look at the files that holds the data, the list is not that long as the output. So it has to be my for loops :D |
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| 02:00.03 | sweetpi | zuhat: yes its the loop. btw dont search for "bash" :) |
| 02:02.31 | zuhat | sweetpi: I alredy did hahaha :) |
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| 02:06.32 | Magui | dondelelcaro: sending the file "foo" to paste.debian.net now....214 MB. also wrote up what I was doing in dolphin, and what time I did it. I'll paste that there separately. |
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| 02:09.08 | Magui | dondelelcaro: some of the messages I was seeing in the console imply that this stuff might be plasma-related. kept seeing the message "failed to open panel socket" in the console, while strace was running. mean anything to you? |
| 02:09.12 | Sir_Konrad | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso <-- is this a Debian Live CD with KDE on it? |
| 02:11.09 | Sir_Konrad | I'm pretty sure that's all I'd need. |
| 02:11.12 | Sir_Konrad | for now. ;) |
| 02:11.16 | dondelelcaro | Magui: hrm; that may be too large; it'd be ideal if you looked at the calls to see what was taking the most time yourself, and just put up the bits surrounding it |
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| 02:11.23 | dondelelcaro | (it'll take me a while to download such a large file) |
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| 02:11.55 | krisfremen | [dri] radeon kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.17.0 or newer is needed. |
| 02:11.58 | krisfremen | [dri] Disabling DRI. |
| 02:12.02 | krisfremen | what is that supposed to mean? |
| 02:12.18 | Magui | dondelelcaro: it's OK to use something like "less" to view the file? or do you use something else? |
| 02:12.45 | moldovean | Sir_Konrad, kde yes, live no |
| 02:13.14 | Sir_Konrad | moldovean: is there a live Debian KDE CD? |
| 02:13.45 | moldovean | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/i386/ |
| 02:14.43 | dondelelcaro | Magui: yes, that's what you should use |
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| 02:15.07 | Sir_Konrad | moldovean: thanks. :) |
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| 02:15.51 | moldovean | yw |
| 02:16.24 | Magui | dondelelcaro: the 2nd column...doesn't appear to be always increasing. I guess it shows "elapsed time", rather than some kind of time-index ? |
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| 02:23.47 | dondelelcaro | Magui: yes, it shows relative time |
| 02:23.54 | dondelelcaro | Magui: so you should look for something which is taking a long time |
| 02:24.02 | dondelelcaro | Magui: if you don't see anything, rerun with -tt instead of -r |
| 02:24.32 | ranix | moldovean: yes also on amd64 |
| 02:25.15 | Magui | dondelelcaro: "relative time"? do you mean, elapsed time for each call? the reason I ask is that it's not always increasing, as I page down in the file. |
| 02:25.36 | moldovean | ranix, because i experimented same 'behavior' on amd64 but running on i386 install *())_ |
| 02:25.59 | Magui | dondelelcaro: so I can't tell what that number means, actually. |
| 02:26.33 | moldovean | ranix, changing to i386 kernel solved the pbm |
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| 02:26.51 | handheldcar | anybody know how to enable right alt? |
| 02:27.21 | ranix | huh |
| 02:27.22 | ham5 | enable right alt? |
| 02:27.31 | ranix | I'll check that out and see if it fixes it, thanks moldovean |
| 02:27.47 | moldovean | ranix, no worry |
| 02:27.56 | handheldcar | ham5: in a command line environment |
| 02:31.21 | Magui | dondelelcaro: OK...I just looked at the manpage for strace. I see the different time options, and, yeah, I think that the tt option might be helpful. the thing is, it's really time-consuming to page through this file, looking for a number in this column that is bigger than 60 (60 seconds). I was thinking I could piece together an awk command to do this, and display the full line. |
| 02:31.29 | Magui | but I gotta go get dinner now:). |
| 02:32.11 | dondelelcaro | Magui: what's being shown is the inter-systemcall time; you can just search for /[1-9]\. in less |
| 02:33.13 | Magui | oh...I'd have to read what that option means in less (I've never used any of less's options, just used it as a basic viewer). |
| 02:33.54 | Magui | but less can't do a compare of numerical values, right? like "show me all lines with 2nd-column value bigger than 60" ? |
| 02:36.03 | dondelelcaro | Magui: nope |
| 02:36.26 | dondelelcaro | Magui: but since thye have a specific format, that'll show you most of the things which are > 0.999 seconds |
| 02:36.45 | dondelelcaro | Magui: but man less; for details |
| 02:36.48 | Magui | dondelelcaro: oh...because they will stick out, visually? I think I see what you mean. |
| 02:36.58 | dondelelcaro | Magui: / is a search command in less. |
| 02:37.04 | dondelelcaro | (search by regex) |
| 02:37.18 | dondelelcaro | [1-9]\. means find a 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 or 9 followed by a period |
| 02:37.23 | Magui | oh. never even tried to do regex search using less before. |
| 02:37.33 | dondelelcaro | this is why less is more than more |
| 02:37.41 | dondelelcaro | (one of the reasons) |
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| 02:38.00 | Magui | yeah, yeah...enough with the less/more word-games. I've been reading those for some years, now:). |
| 02:38.03 | cast | but most is more than more and less |
| 02:38.24 | Magui | cast: most? never heard of it. another page-viewer? |
| 02:38.34 | cast | indeed. |
| 02:38.42 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
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| 02:38.56 | Gnintendo | does anybody know id I need to do something special to a second partition on a USB drive I'm booting Linux on to get it to be recognized by Windows as storage like normal |
| 02:38.58 | dondelelcaro | pretty much pulls open an editor when he wants most, but whatever works |
| 02:38.59 | Magui | cast: I will check it out sometime. honestly, never heard of it. |
| 02:39.20 | cast | i do tend to |vim - a lot :) |
| 02:40.12 | cast | Gnintendo: that would be a windows question, though i have puzzled many times as to what requirements windows has before it sees something |
| 02:40.24 | Gnintendo | does anybody know id I need to do something special to a second partition on a USB drive I'm booting Linux on to get it to be recognized by Windows as storage like normal? I'm using gparted to make a ext3 partition and a ntfs partition |
| 02:40.36 | Gnintendo | windows got pissed at me the first time |
| 02:40.48 | Gnintendo | and didn't recognize it |
| 02:40.58 | Gnintendo | but it wasn't the first partition |
| 02:41.18 | Gnintendo | so I reformatted making it the first...I'll try that... |
| 02:42.00 | Gnintendo | any flags that might help? |
| 02:43.36 | cast | a lot of us don't really know anything about windows, perhaps ##windows would be a better place to ask |
| 02:43.51 | Magui | dondelelcaro: I have to go get dinner (for myself and a couple of ppl here). I'll probably be gone a few hours. I'll take a crack at this later. thanks for the strace/less tips. I couldn't figure out how to troubleshoot this problem further. |
| 02:44.37 | Gnintendo | cast: I figured somebody here was more likely to be a gparted user |
| 02:44.58 | Gnintendo | >.< |
| 02:45.19 | cast | but its not a gparted problem ;P |
| 02:45.36 | dondelelcaro | Magui: np; if that doesn't work, your next step is to turn on coredumps, run the program, then coredump it when it hangs |
| 02:45.39 | Gnintendo | but gparted would be where I fix it :) |
| 02:46.21 | dondelelcaro | yeah, but it assumes knowing what sort of insane expectations windows has of inserted filesystems |
| 02:46.22 | Magui | dondelelcaro: coredumps...another unfamiliar tool. I will do a google search for that if I get desperate. |
| 02:46.30 | dondelelcaro | Magui: good luck! |
| 02:46.42 | Magui | dondelelcaro: thank you! again, thanks for the help. |
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| 02:47.56 | Gnintendo | SWEET |
| 02:48.33 | Gnintendo | making the NTFS one the first partition tricked Windows into thinking it was the entire drive and recognizing it |
| 02:48.34 | Gnintendo | sweet. |
| 02:48.40 | Gnintendo | >.< |
| 02:48.56 | Gnintendo | now, to put Debian on the other partition... |
| 02:48.59 | r15 | now i have everything which i needed to use debian, vmware is working too, sweet. |
| 02:49.24 | r15 | thanks jordenb |
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| 02:49.51 | Gnintendo | I'mprobably goingto needhelo witj this |
| 02:49.53 | Gnintendo | oh wow |
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| 02:57.18 | FabParma | At the installation process, can I format using Btrfs file system? |
| 02:59.09 | moldovean | no |
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| 03:04.28 | Metatron | FabParma, ask in #btrfs i think some distro's like redhat have it as a root install option, why do you want to butter your linux? |
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| 03:05.09 | jordanm | Metatron: only RHEL 6 beta, and they recommend against it calling it a "technology preview" or some such |
| 03:05.18 | jordanm | I imagine they are following behind fedora though |
| 03:05.30 | Metatron | yeah its kinda new |
| 03:06.08 | Metatron | looks good for the future though |
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| 03:10.39 | FabParma | Metatron: i red few recension and it seems the fs of the future ... but i never tried. ill use a secondary pc to test |
| 03:11.13 | Gabtendo | hi again |
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| 03:12.11 | Metatron | yeah it looks good for clustered systems right off, but has some other stuff, better defraging, more backup options and support |
| 03:12.20 | Gabtendo | la dadadida: http://grab.by/5Gsk |
| 03:12.23 | Gabtendo | looking good :) |
| 03:12.26 | Neronix | Question, i forgot my root pw for a vm, so i shut it off, mounted the file system and edited /etc/shadow, deleted the password for root out of the field, and still cant login |
| 03:12.43 | Neronix | am I missing something? |
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| 03:17.44 | Metatron | hard to say, you could try booting from a live cd, mount the drive into a newly created folder, chroot there, run passwd |
| 03:18.09 | Metatron | maybe passwd root |
| 03:20.23 | Arrowmaster | i edited the kernel boot line in grub or lilo once with something=/bin/sh and rooted a friends trash box in a lab |
| 03:20.31 | Arrowmaster | was a long time ago |
| 03:20.41 | Arrowmaster | but it goes right past the login |
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| 03:21.43 | solifugus_ | I have a nightly cron job doing updates to a production server.. Is there some way to determine what was updated over the last two weeks? |
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| 03:22.25 | Metatron | how does the cron job do the update, with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:22.32 | solifugus_ | A production web application has mysteriously starting producing corrupted .xls files... This is crucial and they are used for data import/export into the web app. |
| 03:22.45 | ham5 | dpkg makes a log |
| 03:22.45 | dpkg | ham5: i don't know |
| 03:23.00 | ham5 | /var/log/apt or something |
| 03:23.45 | a94060 | hello everyone,how do i configure global hotkeys for parole in xfce? |
| 03:24.13 | Metatron | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.06 | Metatron | that is not alot to go on solifugus, what type of web app, how is the data corrupted, when did it start, ect |
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| 03:26.48 | jillsmitt_ | what is current kernel version in debian 5.0.5 stable? |
| 03:28.13 | Arrowmaster | , version kernel |
| 03:28.23 | Arrowmaster | , kernel |
| 03:28.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:28.30 | Gabtendo | if I put the data files of GRUB on the Linux partition of my flash drive |
| 03:28.32 | Gabtendo | but install it to the MBR |
| 03:28.48 | Gabtendo | I should still be able to boot to that partition with no problems while still maintaining my "Windows storage" partition |
| 03:28.50 | Gabtendo | right? |
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| 03:34.53 | solifugus_ | Metatron: It's Debian Lenny, updated nightly on a cron job, php application with mysql on a separate server. There is no gui, only minimal needs installed. The last updated packages appear to be on the 19th and included the kernel, libc6, apache2, and other clearly irrelevent things like tar.. |
| 03:35.40 | solifugus_ | Metatron: We noticed the problem this morning. We last knew of it working fine about a week and a half ago. |
| 03:35.41 | Metatron | what method does the php app use to update apt-get? |
| 03:36.04 | Metatron | what happens if you type cat /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 03:36.16 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: you can see precisely which packages have been upgraded in /var/log/dpkg.log or similar |
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| 03:36.46 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: and if none of them look to be involved, you'll have to see what is in the pathway for producing the xls files, since without knowing your application, we can't tell you |
| 03:36.53 | jillsmitt | aba_: |
| 03:36.56 | jillsmitt | sorry |
| 03:37.04 | xyz- | hi im trying to install rtorrent with apt-get and i can't seem to be able to obtain the newest version, i have added a bunch of mirrors to my sources.list but still seem stuck |
| 03:37.12 | solifugus_ | Metatron: turns out updates are not on nightly cron.. I thought I left it that way.. but crontab -l doesn't show it.. |
| 03:37.14 | xyz- | i've tried install manually but im getting a weird error |
| 03:37.51 | xyz- | http://pastebin.com/R4s2bmsa |
| 03:37.52 | solifugus_ | Metatron: so must have been my manual: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 03:38.04 | xyz- | any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 03:40.41 | solifugus_ | Metatron: Here's that log you asked for: http://zuesworks.com/updates.txt |
| 03:41.50 | solifugus_ | dondelelcaro: correct.. it's an application developed by a consortium.. not my code and I didn't make any changes to it, since go-live in production a couple months ago. |
| 03:42.20 | solifugus_ | not making any changes means it must be something outside the app.. 99% chance |
| 03:43.09 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: yeah, but without knowing how your app works, we can't tell you what it could be |
| 03:43.50 | solifugus_ | dondelelcaro: unless it's a bug under some condition in the app... we've tested many different scenarios and there are always coming out corrupted...no matter what thus far.. |
| 03:44.00 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: about the only thing that may be involved is libxerces from just looking, but otherwise, it's hard to know |
| 03:44.37 | solifugus_ | dondelelcaro: libxerces is for working with xml files... these are .xls files (Excel) |
| 03:44.55 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: sure, but I don't know what you're doing with the excel files |
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| 03:45.23 | Arrowmaster | you have rebooted the server since the kernel and libc upgrade right? |
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| 03:45.52 | solifugus_ | dondelelcaro: just importing/exporting data.. I think maybe the server needs a reboot. Maybe it's libc6 |
| 03:46.01 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: using what? |
| 03:46.29 | dondelelcaro | you *shouldn't* need to reboot just because libc6 changed... just restarting the applications should be enough |
| 03:46.49 | solifugus_ | dondelelcaro: php.. I am not sure what it's called.. but I know of one project for php that allows manipulation of excel files.. |
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| 03:47.09 | solifugus_ | so many reboot apache? |
| 03:47.20 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: it already got restarted |
| 03:47.52 | solifugus_ | yes.. the php app did... since it's restarts every request, essentially.. iduno |
| 03:48.14 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: I'd personally look at what that code is actually using; does xls2csv or similar read the xls files? |
| 03:48.14 | solifugus_ | how does software just break, out of the blue.. |
| 03:48.21 | dondelelcaro | happens |
| 03:48.34 | dondelelcaro | it's not all that infrequent when you're using things that are written using php, too.. |
| 03:48.51 | jillsmitt | debian lenny "netinstall" here, alsa installed, but under simple user i can not hear aplay sounds, looks like something wrong, help me please |
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| 03:51.03 | macrobat | !alsa checklist |
| 03:51.03 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 03:51.36 | jillsmitt | !group commands |
| 03:51.37 | dpkg | commands: use the group, Luke |
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| 03:52.11 | macrobat | gpasswd -a user group |
| 03:52.21 | jillsmitt | macrobat: thank you |
| 03:52.30 | Arrowmaster | just use id to check first |
| 03:52.37 | Arrowmaster | you should be in the audio group already |
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| 03:53.01 | jillsmitt | Arrowmaster: can you give simple example for it? |
| 03:53.07 | Arrowmaster | id |
| 03:53.38 | jillsmitt | yes, 29.. lets see the second step |
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| 03:58.27 | jillsmitt | !alsa |
| 03:58.27 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:58.34 | solifugus_ | dondelelcaro: the code that creates the corrupt excel is very straight forward.. uses a class from class.writeexcel_worksheet.inc.php; comments say: This is the Spreadsheet::WriteExcel Perl package ported to PHP |
| 03:58.41 | jillsmitt | !alsa-checklist |
| 03:58.42 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 03:59.12 | solifugus_ | dondelelcaro: I will play with that and see what I can find out.. |
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| 04:01.12 | jillsmitt | ALSA: about step 2 - i cant mute/unmute channels, about step 3 - i am in console and dont have any arts or esound, need i to install it? about step 4 - need i install OSS modules before test other steps? about step 5 - yes |
| 04:01.44 | jillsmitt | about step 6 - cant do this without oss i think, about step 7 - no it does not |
| 04:02.20 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: hrm; that's not packaged for Debian. Most likely it needs to be recompiled (and probably was compiled wrongly) |
| 04:03.24 | dondelelcaro | solifugus_: or if it's all php, then something else odd is going on |
| 04:05.33 | solifugus_ | dondelelcaro: It's code that came bundled with the web application... I am now copying the code into a test.php file to try and narrow down the problem by excluding lines... and seeing if I can get a non-corrupt file. |
| 04:05.53 | solifugus_ | Excel says its corrupt.. openoffice thinks its a word processor document. |
| 04:06.08 | solifugus_ | but used to work flawlessly |
| 04:06.56 | solifugus_ | I just want to play starcraft II |
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| 04:13.45 | krislappy | hey guys |
| 04:14.28 | krisfremen | so i've been battling with Xorg for the past few hours |
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| 04:14.33 | krisfremen | (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch. |
| 04:14.33 | krisfremen | [dri] radeon kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.17.0 or newer is needed. |
| 04:14.34 | chilli0 | Hello , I'm having some weird perm errors again. Samba has the umask= 000 . but I can't copy files over...... And the samba mask is set to 777 |
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| 04:15.10 | krisfremen | anyone knows what could be causing that?? |
| 04:15.45 | Gabtendo | is there any way I can get a pre-built live system for Debian that uses ext4? |
| 04:16.36 | NiLon | Gabtendo you mean live-"cd"? |
| 04:16.40 | Gabtendo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 04:16.43 | NiLon | makes no sense that it's using ext4 |
| 04:16.44 | Gabtendo | usb actually |
| 04:16.46 | Gabtendo | but yeah |
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| 04:16.58 | Gabtendo | I want to put it on a USB drive and I wanted to use ext4 |
| 04:17.07 | Gabtendo | why NOT? |
| 04:17.27 | NiLon | so you wanna make 2 partitions to usb stick? |
| 04:17.40 | Gabtendo | that's later anyway |
| 04:17.43 | Gabtendo | but yeah |
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| 04:18.06 | essial | Wow I've ~almost~ got flash 10 running in 64-bit debian, woot |
| 04:18.23 | Gabtendo | can you answer my question |
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| 04:18.42 | Gabtendo | is there any way to get ANY Debian live release using ext4 for the file system |
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| 04:19.15 | NiLon | well yeah, but I highly doubt that someone made such thing and admit it |
| 04:20.14 | Gabtendo | what file system do the .img files have on them? |
| 04:20.22 | chilli0 | Hello , I'm having some weird perm errors again. Samba has the umask= 000 . but I can't copy files over...... And the samba mask is set to 777 |
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| 04:22.28 | Gabtendo | what's the file system on these?: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 04:23.20 | Gabtendo | please |
| 04:23.23 | Gabtendo | I don't have much time |
| 04:24.05 | KB1JWQ | Gabtendo: I didn't realize we were on your payroll. :-) |
| 04:24.30 | Gabtendo | seriously, I only have like 1 more minute |
| 04:24.32 | Gabtendo | T.T |
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| 04:31.23 | essial | well I got "about flash player 10" conext menu but no dice yet in general :-/ |
| 04:33.01 | chilli0 | Hello , I'm having some weird perm errors again. Samba has the umask= 000 . but I can't copy files over...... And the samba mask is set to 777 |
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| 04:37.56 | sweetpi | chilli0: not again.. :p pastebin your smb.conf, fstab, and permissions where your trying to put files |
| 04:39.21 | chilli0 | sweetpi, haha yeah.. fstab wont matter , this is local files. (or will it?) smb = http://pastebin.com/Rg3DB3qL perms - drwxr-xr-x 5 media root 4096 2010-07-31 03:38 /home/media/Music |
| 04:40.25 | sweetpi | its becaus there are not write permissions for samba |
| 04:40.51 | chilli0 | writeable=yes ? |
| 04:41.08 | sweetpi | i mean filesystem permissions |
| 04:41.13 | chilli0 | oh. |
| 04:41.57 | sweetpi | your wanting guest to be able to write, correct? |
| 04:42.06 | chilli0 | Correct. |
| 04:43.59 | sweetpi | so that dir needs to have write permissions for nobody/nogroup, or have world write. |
| 04:44.21 | chilli0 | World write. |
| 04:44.34 | chilli0 | I thought that the umask=000 would do that or something. |
| 04:44.46 | sweetpi | yes i thought so too |
| 04:45.13 | sweetpi | ntfs right? |
| 04:45.23 | chilli0 | ext3. |
| 04:45.32 | chilli0 | This is the music file ( on the system) |
| 04:45.34 | chilli0 | Movies was ntfs |
| 04:45.40 | Arrowmaster | the umask only effects the permissions of files created |
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| 04:45.51 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt effect the permissions of the dir |
| 04:45.57 | plov | way to tell apt i don't want to install recommended packages ? |
| 04:46.00 | sweetpi | Arrowmaster: talking about umask on fstab |
| 04:46.00 | Arrowmaster | so you still need it to be world writable |
| 04:46.18 | Arrowmaster | what filesystem |
| 04:46.27 | chilli0 | ext3 , and also need it for ntfs. |
| 04:46.31 | sweetpi | i thought it was ntfs, its not |
| 04:46.41 | Arrowmaster | there is no umask for ext file systems in fstab |
| 04:46.41 | plov | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python-flup , 'python-webpy' is recommended, apt-get install python-flup is flagging 'python-webpy' for install, how do i tell apt i don't want python-webpy? |
| 04:47.17 | chilli0 | sweetpi, Music == ext3 ( on the hard drive in /home/media/music ). Movies = ntfs ( external ) |
| 04:47.31 | sweetpi | chilli0: if your really wanting world write chmod -R a+w /home/media/Music |
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| 04:48.44 | chilli0 | sweetpi, Apparently not. When I try to make a new folder It makes the owner no-group or something. |
| 04:48.48 | chilli0 | And then I can't copy into it. |
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| 04:49.39 | Arrowmaster | there is a samba setting to use a certain user/group for guest |
| 04:50.20 | chilli0 | Not that I have setup. |
| 04:50.54 | chilli0 | sweetpi, chmod -R a+w /home/media/Music didn't work still. |
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| 04:51.09 | sweetpi | your create mask is set to 777, so it shouldnt matter? |
| 04:51.09 | Arrowmaster | right but you probably want to use it |
| 04:51.16 | essial | I'm good now, youtube on 64-bit :D |
| 04:51.32 | chilli0 | sweetpi, Yeah. That's why I'm so confused. |
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| 04:51.52 | sweetpi | chilli0: show permissons of the new directory |
| 04:52.18 | chilli0 | drwxrwxrwx 2 media root 4096 2010-07-31 02:53 /home/media/Music/Lachlan's Music/untitled folder |
| 04:52.23 | chilli0 | ops that's not it. |
| 04:53.07 | chilli0 | drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody nogroup 4096 2010-08-02 00:51 /home/media/Music/Lachlan's Music/untitled folder 2/ |
| 04:53.42 | sweetpi | august 2nd? |
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| 04:54.25 | chilli0 | *No sure on how* I'm +10 gmt here . but it's still the 1st |
| 04:54.43 | chilli0 | Mon Aug 2 00:54:22 EST 2010 |
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| 04:55.51 | sweetpi | your a day off.. anyway. im not sure why create mask = 777 isnt working |
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| 04:56.19 | Arrowmaster | timestamps get all messed up when using windows and samba |
| 04:56.41 | chilli0 | Arrowmaster, Not using windows. And nah it's not the timestamp. |
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| 04:58.01 | sweetpi | chilli0: have you made smb.conf changes and not restarted samba? |
| 04:58.21 | chilli0 | sweetpi, Nop. I restarted samba just a few mins ago to make sure. |
| 04:58.29 | Arrowmaster | oh found it |
| 04:58.41 | chilli0 | oh? |
| 04:58.43 | Arrowmaster | there is a 'directory mask' setting too |
| 04:58.48 | chilli0 | =O |
| 04:58.48 | Arrowmaster | create mask is only for files |
| 04:59.09 | sweetpi | aha nice Arrowmaster |
| 04:59.22 | Arrowmaster | so put create at 666 (i would at least) and directory at 777 |
| 05:00.02 | chilli0 | create mask = 666 |
| 05:00.03 | chilli0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.15 | Arrowmaster | no 'directory mask' |
| 05:00.32 | sweetpi | I thought guest account was off by default on samba? |
| 05:01.01 | Arrowmaster | it is, he has 'guest ok = yes' |
| 05:01.45 | sweetpi | i mean security = user and null passwords = no |
| 05:02.15 | Arrowmaster | oh if you want windows to be able to access the share as guest make sure to put 'map to guest = bad user' in your config, took me forever to find out about that one |
| 05:02.20 | chilli0 | I restarted samba but didn't change anything.. |
| 05:03.02 | chilli0 | Arrowmaster, map to guest = bad user inside each share config? |
| 05:03.08 | sweetpi | chilli0: pastebin smb.conf |
| 05:03.21 | Arrowmaster | ive just got it in the global section of mine |
| 05:03.39 | chilli0 | Oh ok. And Arrowmaster was it meant to be create directory mask ? |
| 05:03.43 | chilli0 | or just directory mask |
| 05:03.50 | Arrowmaster | just 'directory mask' |
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| 05:04.11 | sweetpi | yeah, nm on the pastebin then |
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| 05:05.51 | chilli0 | It doesn't happen still. http://pastebin.com/DMFRY19d |
| 05:06.11 | chilli0 | The owner is still nobody and no group is the group. |
| 05:06.45 | Arrowmaster | but what are the permissions? |
| 05:07.06 | chilli0 | of what? |
| 05:07.13 | Arrowmaster | the dir you create |
| 05:07.15 | sweetpi | chilli0: you created a new dir, or you expected it to change permissions by itself? |
| 05:07.30 | chilli0 | drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody nogroup 4096 2010-08-02 01:07 /home/media/Music/Lachlan's Music/untitled folder 2/ |
| 05:07.47 | chilli0 | sweetpi, Well I don't want to have to change the perm's everytime I or some one adds a new folder.. |
| 05:08.28 | sweetpi | chilli0: no i meant did you delete the old dir and make a new one? |
| 05:08.34 | chilli0 | Yeah. |
| 05:08.44 | Arrowmaster | weird |
| 05:08.54 | chilli0 | Ill remount it on my end |
| 05:09.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah that might be needed |
| 05:09.10 | chilli0 | Didn't help ... |
| 05:09.23 | sweetpi | chilli0: pastebin your full smb.conf not just the shares |
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| 05:09.35 | chilli0 | kay. |
| 05:09.38 | asarch | Can I safely jump from stable to testing? |
| 05:09.52 | DogBoy | no |
| 05:10.22 | chilli0 | http://pastebin.com/hTRTFUYS |
| 05:10.50 | asarch | D'oh! |
| 05:10.55 | asarch | Thank you DogBoy |
| 05:12.01 | sweetpi | chilli0: im still confused how your even able to mount as guest without null passwords and security=share |
| 05:12.13 | Arrowmaster | because guest is special |
| 05:12.23 | chilli0 | sweetpi, Maybe ubuntu puts it in for me? |
| 05:12.32 | sweetpi | ubuwho? |
| 05:12.43 | chilli0 | The client's os. |
| 05:13.08 | sweetpi | i mean on server side |
| 05:13.24 | chilli0 | server is debian yeah. |
| 05:13.46 | Arrowmaster | because guest is special and doesnt act like a normal user account |
| 05:13.59 | sweetpi | Arrowmaster: I swear i had to change security = share and null passwords = yes, just to get the guest account to work |
| 05:14.25 | Arrowmaster | guest account from what client though? |
| 05:14.41 | sweetpi | Arrowmaster: windows |
| 05:15.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats because windows sends its own username by default |
| 05:15.13 | Arrowmaster | you need to use 'map to guest = bad user' for windows guest access |
| 05:15.36 | sweetpi | Arrowmaster: ive never done that |
| 05:15.49 | Arrowmaster | when you mount a share in linux you can just use guest as the username |
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| 05:16.07 | sweetpi | you can in windows as well |
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| 05:16.24 | Arrowmaster | sweetpi: well 'security = share' removes the username check entirely |
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| 05:17.53 | sweetpi | Arrowmaster: yes that must be why it worked |
| 05:18.07 | chilli0 | Arrowmaster, Did you find anything wrong with my conf? |
| 05:18.25 | Arrowmaster | the 'map to guest = bad user' seriously needs to either be in the smb.conf by default or at least in the smb.conf but commented out with a comment saying to use it if you want both authenticated access and windows guest access without windows users being prompted for a username/password |
| 05:18.31 | Arrowmaster | chilli0: i did not |
| 05:18.58 | chilli0 | Kay. I really don't know where I have faulted. |
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| 05:20.37 | chilli0 | I'm rebooting it just to make sure everything restarts. |
| 05:20.42 | sweetpi | Arrowmaster: so if I add that line I can go back to default security and still have guest access for windows on a per-share basis? |
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| 05:20.51 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:21.37 | sweetpi | Arrowmaster: nice, thanks for the tip. and i agree it should be in the default config commented |
| 05:22.36 | Vasistha | I am getting this error... dpkg: error processing readline-common (--configure): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting configuration. |
| 05:22.48 | Vasistha | So ... how do I unmark all packages marked for installation and fix this thing? |
| 05:23.07 | SnakDoc | how is everyone |
| 05:23.11 | Arrowmaster | windows sends the username and 'encrypted' password by default when trying to view a share so if that user doesnt exist on your system they get prompted to input a username password, with that line they get treated as a guest |
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| 05:23.36 | chilli0 | I restarted and still not working =O |
| 05:23.47 | chilli0 | Rage suicide. |
| 05:24.13 | Arrowmaster | chilli0: i have absolutely no clue at all but im guessing maybe it has something to do with it being nobody/nogroup |
| 05:24.19 | chilli0 | Yeah.. |
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| 05:27.33 | chilli0 | Arrowmaster, Do you know any fixes so that samba has perms to read and write to the type of group/user? |
| 05:27.48 | wooden | i did a minimal install (no package groups selected) of lenny, and am trying to dist-upgrade to squeeze. i get hundreds of lines of errors about LC_* and LC_LOCALE not being set. is there a package i can install or somet other fix to solve this before i try the upgrade again? |
| 05:27.56 | Arrowmaster | chilli0: 'force create mode' and 'force directory mode' |
| 05:28.09 | Arrowmaster | chilli0: set them to 666 and 777 or both 777 |
| 05:28.09 | chilli0 | Arrowmaster, Wheres? |
| 05:28.18 | Arrowmaster | in each share |
| 05:28.31 | Arrowmaster | just like create mask and directory mask |
| 05:28.35 | chilli0 | oh ok. |
| 05:28.51 | chilli0 | remove the create mask and directory mask? |
| 05:28.55 | chilli0 | OR just add the others |
| 05:29.04 | Vasistha | crap, what did I do? Brand new lenny install, dpkg seems to be broken. |
| 05:29.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont think it matters |
| 05:29.49 | Vasistha | wooden: you could just set LC_LOCALE=C or whatever you want to set it as |
| 05:30.19 | chilli0 | Arrowmaster, I love you =D |
| 05:30.20 | chilli0 | it works =P |
| 05:30.37 | Vasistha | hum, maybe I am confused, that may not be what you want |
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| 05:32.01 | Vasistha | ugh, today has truly been a day of computer hell. Everything I do is cursed. |
| 05:34.46 | Vasistha | so... dpkg or perl seems to be broken. dpkg: error processing less (--install): subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Seg Fault) ... /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.postinst: line 3: 6991 Seg fault perl -e '@pwd = ...blah |
| 05:38.28 | Vasistha | aw, crap, 50 minutes to download a netinst image? this internet connection is worse than I thought. |
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| 05:48.04 | sweetpi | Everyone must think this is a homework question: |
| 05:48.07 | sweetpi | Can someone tell me why this doest work: arr=$(echo "b a d c"); for ((i=0; i<${#arr[@]}; i+=2)); do echo "${arr[${i+1}]}: ${arr[${i}]}"; done |
| 05:48.20 | sweetpi | Im expecting "a: b\nc: d" |
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| 05:54.42 | svierz | hi |
| 05:54.56 | frostschutz | sweetpi: arr=($(echo "b a d c")); for ((i=0; i<${#arr[@]}; i+=2)); do echo "${arr[$(($i+1))]}: ${arr[${i}]}"; done |
| 05:55.23 | frostschutz | sweetpi: several errors in that one still |
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| 05:56.46 | sweetpi | frostschutz: aha thanks. what should I search for to understand why i need the extra ()? |
| 05:56.57 | sweetpi | frostschutz: I thought the $() made the array |
| 05:57.18 | frostschutz | sweetpi: $() just executes a command and returns the output |
| 05:57.35 | frostschutz | sweetpi: #bash prolly a better place for these questions |
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| 05:58.31 | sweetpi | frostschutz: yes i asked in #bash, i think everyone must have thought it was a homework question. thanks for the help |
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| 06:07.25 | lwizardl | hi |
| 06:08.28 | lwizardl | I was wondering if anyone knew of a good guide for creating very limited user accounts ? I want someone to be able to open like firefox, OO.o, and a couple others and thats all |
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| 06:35.38 | pallgone | ,versions lshell |
| 06:35.40 | judd | lshell -- sid: 0.9.12-1; squeeze: 0.9.12-1 |
| 06:36.14 | pallgone | lwizardl: lshell - restricts a user's shell environment to limited sets of commands |
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| 06:37.00 | pallgone | hmm, not sure if this works for the GUI too |
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| 06:53.35 | Vasistha | wow, I am impressed that my friend managed to install xp on this machine when it seems to be failing a memtest |
| 06:55.07 | rozie | Vasistha: sort of luck |
| 06:55.44 | rozie | Vasistha: you can have 100% reliable system with broken memory |
| 06:56.07 | rozie | the matter of turning this region off in kernel |
| 06:56.53 | rozie | don't know if there's a tool for windows for it, but works with Linux |
| 06:58.23 | rozie | although I had problems with 2.6.26 from Lenny - had to roll my own kernel. don't know why |
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| 06:59.42 | Vasistha | rozie: Is it possible to tell the debian installer to detect bad memory and avoid it? |
| 07:00.15 | Vasistha | memtest appears to complain only about a relatively small section, not even a MB |
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| 07:16.48 | nsadmin | Vasistha: just replace it, be done with it |
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| 07:17.46 | nsadmin | if not, problems that occur on that box, you won't be able to tell if it's a real problem or if it's your ram |
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| 07:28.59 | xvilka | hi! pls, tell me, how i can do full reinstall packages on my debian sid? |
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| 07:29.45 | xvilka | i'm have a big crash on my laptop and it wont boot (init dont find rc.d) |
| 07:29.57 | xvilka | and i'm use dm-crypt |
| 07:31.28 | valdyn | !badram |
| 07:31.29 | dpkg | BadRAM is a Linux kernel patch allowing the safe use of RAM modules containing errors. Packaged for Debian as kernel-patch-badram, not included in Debian kernel images (BTS #396522). http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ memtest86 and memtest86+ can determine the parameters to supply to a badram-enabled kernel, see <memtest>. See also <grub2 badram>. |
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| 07:32.19 | Name141 | Are there still security updates issued for etch? |
| 07:32.38 | valdyn | !etch |
| 07:32.38 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 07:33.08 | Vasistha | nsadmin: happily, box has two 512MB sticks, and it was easy enough to take one out. Some day I will buy more mem for it. Today I will install debian. Maybe. It's getting quite late now. |
| 07:33.14 | Vasistha | thanks btw |
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| 07:33.57 | lilib | hi |
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| 07:34.22 | lilib | i would like to know what is the best UPNP media server for debian |
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| 07:45.19 | Vasistha | man, installing debian is so fast and easy (erm, when there is no bad memory or other major hardware errors |
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| 07:50.25 | pallgone | hmm, any idea how I can stop GNOME/metacity from remembering full screen positions on a dual head setup... it's really annoying as I don't want "firefox always on the left" or something |
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| 07:56.36 | Vasistha | !grub2 |
| 07:56.36 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x), currently in development. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). Manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition . #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:57.27 | reisio | pallgone: how would you determine which screen you want an app to open in? |
| 07:57.33 | reisio | pallgone: cursor location? |
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| 08:04.11 | Alystair | why isn't my shell script outputting anything on echo's within loops |
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| 08:04.25 | Alystair | when I run the script direct from inside prompt it echos properly |
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| 08:10.14 | Alystair | hrm |
| 08:10.21 | Alystair | doesn't look like the loop is even working properly wtf |
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| 08:10.54 | Vasistha | on squeeze here, is there a way to change VT resolution on-the-fly? |
| 08:11.20 | reisio | Vasistha: outside of X? |
| 08:11.35 | Vasistha | reisio: correct |
| 08:12.22 | Vasistha | I'd be happy to reboot actually, but I haven't a clue as to how to specify VT resolution with grub2. I guess everything I knew about grub 1 is now ... uh ... foreign. |
| 08:13.03 | reisio | Vasistha: using framebuffer? |
| 08:13.14 | Vasistha | reisio: maybe? dunno |
| 08:13.30 | reisio | Vasistha: grep -i vga /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
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| 08:13.52 | Vasistha | reisio: no results |
| 08:14.18 | Vasistha | ergh, crap. So I blacklisted the pcspkr and it managed to load it anyway, and now I can't rmmod it. |
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| 08:15.10 | reisio | Vasistha: what do you have in /boot/grub/ ? |
| 08:16.01 | Vasistha | reisio: about 180 files I have no clue what they're all doing |
| 08:16.11 | reisio | Vasistha: grub.conf? menu.lst? |
| 08:16.35 | Vasistha | reisio: the former |
| 08:16.43 | reisio | okay, then you're probably not on GRUB2 yet |
| 08:16.43 | Vasistha | grub.cnf rather I guess |
| 08:16.48 | reisio | oh? |
| 08:17.01 | Vasistha | "former" means first "latter" means second |
| 08:17.14 | reisio | yes |
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| 08:17.28 | reisio | meh, I wonder what hole in the universe is responsible for a file named grub.CNF |
| 08:17.39 | reisio | Vasistha: anyways, grep it for 'vga' |
| 08:17.43 | Vasistha | fsf people being idiots? :p |
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| 08:17.53 | Vasistha | yeah, that's what I did; as I said before, no results. |
| 08:17.57 | Alystair | my shell script thing makes no sense at all |
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| 08:18.07 | Alystair | for loops are just broken. |
| 08:18.15 | reisio | well until this point I had only encountered grub.conf (old GRUB) and grub.cfg (new) [and menu.lst as a symlink or replacement of either] |
| 08:18.18 | Vasistha | erm, not cnf, cfg. Sorry. |
| 08:18.21 | reisio | Alystair: gj, like your name |
| 08:18.26 | reisio | Vasistha: ah okay :p |
| 08:18.43 | Vasistha | I tab completed it anyway, haven't really typed it |
| 08:18.44 | reisio | Vasistha: how many lines fit vertically on your screen at a time? |
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| 08:19.01 | Vasistha | reisio: right now it's showing 25 which is why I want to change it asap |
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| 08:19.02 | Alystair | reisio: when I copy the script to my prompt it executes properly |
| 08:19.17 | Alystair | yet in an .sh file it doesn't work |
| 08:19.20 | reisio | Vasistha: okay then you aren't using framebuffer |
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| 08:19.41 | xvilka | can i reinstall debian on fully encrypted root partition? |
| 08:19.47 | reisio | Vasistha: you can either use a smaller font which will get you a small improvement, or start using framebuffer, which will give you an enormous improvement |
| 08:19.50 | icebrain | Alystair: care to pastebin your script? |
| 08:19.56 | reisio | Alystair: how do you run it from an .sh file |
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| 08:20.14 | xvilka | can i reinstall debian on fully encrypted root partition? |
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| 08:20.34 | Vasistha | reisio: I honestly don't have a preference, but I do want this to be fast and easy. I don't really plan to use VT much, just until I get X installed |
| 08:20.42 | Alystair | reisio: either "./test.sh" or "sh test.sh" |
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| 08:20.49 | reisio | Vasistha: looks like a semi-non-terrible walkthrough: http://anurag-priyam.blogspot.com/2010/02/debian-console-framebuffer-grub2.html |
| 08:20.50 | Alystair | neither work :| |
| 08:20.55 | xvilka | can i reinstall debian on fully encrypted root partition? |
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| 08:21.00 | reisio | Vasistha: well it only takes a couple minutes to install X... |
| 08:21.02 | Vasistha | xvilka: yes! |
| 08:21.15 | Vasistha | xvilka: I've even done it on a removable flash drive |
| 08:21.31 | reisio | Alystair: do you have a shebang? |
| 08:21.44 | xvilka | thx! i mean now i'm have fully crashed system - only sh and irssi |
| 08:21.51 | reisio | eh, just read icebrain's msg |
| 08:21.54 | Alystair | reisio: you mean #!/bin/bash |
| 08:21.57 | xvilka | this all on laptop |
| 08:21.58 | Alystair | if so, yes |
| 08:21.59 | reisio | Alystair: yeah |
| 08:22.03 | Vasistha | reisio: that depends how much must be downloaded, and ... erm, come to think of it ... suddenly I realize I'd better revert to lenny, as my poor slow internet connection is not going to download all that crap. |
| 08:22.18 | reisio | Alystair: what happens when you try ./foo.sh? |
| 08:22.22 | Alystair | reisio: it's odd because straight up echo "test" works |
| 08:22.27 | Alystair | yet anything in the for loops doesn't work |
| 08:22.30 | xvilka | Vasistha: what the best way to do it? |
| 08:22.37 | Alystair | I tried pwding and it's starting in the current dir correctly... |
| 08:22.44 | reisio | Vasistha: really shouldn't take that long on any non-dialup... |
| 08:22.44 | icebrain | Alystair: pastebin your script |
| 08:22.46 | Alystair | fine |
| 08:22.47 | Alystair | christ |
| 08:22.57 | icebrain | !paste |
| 08:22.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:22.57 | Vasistha | xvilka: there's an option in the installer to install LVM and encryption |
| 08:23.26 | xvilka | i'm already have fully encrypted root partition |
| 08:23.28 | Vasistha | reisio: I'm getting like 60 KB/s |
| 08:23.47 | Alystair | ice799: it's just one line! |
| 08:23.48 | Alystair | for i in `ls -1 --color=none| grep /`; do echo "why don't I see this at all" ;done; |
| 08:23.56 | Alystair | first line's the shebang |
| 08:24.23 | reisio | Vasistha: still, X is pretty small on its own |
| 08:24.30 | reisio | Vasistha: X + openbox really shouldn't take very long |
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| 08:25.21 | icebrain | Alystair: i'm surprised it works at all, ls -1 doesn't print /, so grep should return no lines |
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| 08:25.48 | icebrain | !wayttd Alystair |
| 08:25.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Alystair? |
| 08:26.12 | Alystair | icebrain: oh so the script isn't using my local profile? |
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| 08:26.16 | Vasistha | reisio: I suppose not but I am a kde fan! And I had intended to install lenny this whole time ... and I managed to download the wrong netinst (for testing) check the md5sum, label the disk completely wrong as lenny, go through the installer a couple times before realizing I had bad memory, install, gloss over /etc/apt/sources.list and do various other things before realizing I had squeeze |
| 08:26.20 | Alystair | my ls output is customized... |
| 08:26.44 | icebrain | oh, then that's probably iy |
| 08:26.45 | reisio | Vasistha: ha |
| 08:26.46 | icebrain | *it |
| 08:26.54 | xvilka | Vasistha: i'm only have a small /boot partition on hdd, and encrypted root, and i dont want to lost data in home directory, but want to reinstall system |
| 08:26.56 | reisio | Vasistha: why lenny? 3.5 vs 4 or something? |
| 08:26.59 | Alystair | yep that explains it :) |
| 08:27.33 | icebrain | Alystair: but what do you want, a list of the directories? |
| 08:27.37 | Vasistha | reisio: you mean in terms of kde? nothing to do with that. Just because I have to maintain 5 computers and it's easier if they're all on stable. |
| 08:27.52 | Alystair | icebrain: that's all I need, I can figure it out from here :) |
| 08:28.04 | reisio | Vasistha: ah, true :p |
| 08:28.06 | Alystair | was just flummoxed by output diff |
| 08:28.18 | Vasistha | reisio: honestly, right now is a perfect time to be getting my feet wet with squeeze, with the exception of this horrible internet connection. |
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| 08:28.55 | icebrain | Alystair: just use a "for entry in *; do if [ -d "$entry" ]; then echo $entry is a dir!; fi; done |
| 08:29.11 | icebrain | Alystair: the -d verifies if $entry is a direcotry |
| 08:29.14 | icebrain | *directory |
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| 08:30.27 | Alystair | wow thanks |
| 08:31.19 | icebrain | Alystair: the other conditionals are here: http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_68.html |
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| 08:34.45 | Alystair | would be destroyed in bash golfing |
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| 08:37.06 | ongolaBoy | hi. how do I give more priority to some repository in my sources.list ? |
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| 08:38.42 | Vasistha | reisio: excellent, 1280x1024 ... 160x64 chars. Now I can use aptitude! |
| 08:38.47 | Vasistha | thanks much |
| 08:38.55 | reisio | ongolaBoy: it's top-to-bottom order AFAIK |
| 08:38.58 | fujisan | does stu still come here? |
| 08:38.59 | reisio | Vasistha: heh |
| 08:38.59 | Vasistha | but the pcspkr can still bite me |
| 08:39.06 | reisio | Vasistha: unplug it |
| 08:39.08 | fujisan | <stu> you should be afraid to use KDE because RMS might come to your |
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| 08:40.39 | reisio | Vasistha: rmmod and modprobe -r don't work? |
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| 08:41.14 | reisio | Vasistha: setterm -blength 0 ? |
| 08:41.43 | Vasistha | reisio: well the first thing I did was blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/custom-blacklist.conf but not only does that not work; it allows it to load itself in a way that it can't be rmmod'd |
| 08:41.46 | Alystair | how would I make "for i in `dir -1 *.txt`; do" only find txt files that start with a number? |
| 08:42.13 | cahoot | Vasistha: rebuilt the initramfs? |
| 08:42.24 | reisio | oh wait are you abandoning this install anyways? :p |
| 08:42.25 | Vasistha | I did nothing of the sort |
| 08:42.33 | cahoot | d othat |
| 08:42.55 | Vasistha | Alystair: take out the `` |
| 08:43.06 | Vasistha | Alystair: for i in [0-9]*.txt |
| 08:43.10 | reisio | Alystair: find . -iname '[0-9]*txt' |
| 08:43.21 | fujisan | I am amazed that no-one's based a commercial distribution on Debian yet - |
| 08:43.21 | fujisan | it is by far the most solid UNIX-like OS I've ever installed, and I've |
| 08:43.22 | fujisan | played with HP/UX, Solaris, FreeBSD, BSDi, and SCO (not to mention OS/2, |
| 08:43.22 | fujisan | Novell, Win95/NT) -- Nathan Norman |
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| 08:43.34 | fujisan | sorry |
| 08:43.34 | Alystair | O_o |
| 08:43.35 | reisio | fujisan: someone has |
| 08:43.37 | fujisan | whats the limit? |
| 08:43.49 | Vasistha | if we tell you will you abuse it? |
| 08:43.50 | reisio | oddly enough the creator of Debian has |
| 08:44.04 | reisio | oh, a quote :p |
| 08:44.11 | reisio | who is this silly Nathan Norman! |
| 08:44.18 | fujisan | <Overfiend> And I was 18 before we even had assemblers! |
| 08:44.29 | reisio | I was 18 before we had steam power |
| 08:44.33 | fujisan | :) |
| 08:44.45 | OpenTokix | I was 18 before you lot got laid |
| 08:44.49 | fujisan | <Flav> Win 98 Psychic edition: We'll tell you where you're going tomorrow |
| 08:44.51 | fujisan | :) |
| 08:44.54 | reisio | father? |
| 08:45.36 | fujisan | * dark has changed the topic on channel #debian to: Later tonight: After |
| 08:45.36 | fujisan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.36 | fujisan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.46 | Alystair | stop. |
| 08:45.50 | fujisan | hehe ok |
| 08:45.51 | fujisan | ;) |
| 08:46.03 | Alystair | please unwrap your quotes |
| 08:46.27 | Vasistha | erm, is kde4 gonna work with only 512 MB ram? |
| 08:46.27 | fujisan | oh wait i am in the future |
| 08:47.02 | fujisan | Which debian version is current? |
| 08:47.25 | Vasistha | lenny is stable, squeeze is testing... gonna freeze soon, one of these days, yeah. |
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| 08:48.03 | fujisan | any live debian kiosk versions of the older debian? |
| 08:49.41 | Alystair | how's this naming convention workin anyway |
| 08:50.11 | OpenTokix | wow, debconf starts today - awesome |
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| 08:51.41 | icebrain | !qotd0 |
| 08:51.41 | dpkg | <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
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| 08:52.58 | streuner_ | icebrain: qotd's arent helpful. |
| 08:53.33 | reisio | there's probably a qotd that says that |
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| 08:54.10 | codebare_rfc2812 | where are no image with bubble on FAQ dpkg... |
| 08:54.21 | fujisan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.28 | jelly-hme | dpkg: qotd265 is <streuner_> icebrain: qotd's arent helpful. <reisio> there's probably a qotd that says that |
| 08:54.28 | dpkg | okay, jelly-hme |
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| 08:55.33 | fujisan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.55 | fujisan | will miss dpkg -- it was occasionally useful |
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| 08:58.31 | Alystair | !qotd |
| 08:58.31 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 264 (2010-06-25). |
| 08:58.48 | Alystair | !qotd0 |
| 08:58.48 | dpkg | greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 08:58.56 | fujisan | "Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off."<< this quote is superior someone in here said it like eons ago |
| 08:59.25 | rozie | 10:55 < fujisan> we're about to lose ftp.debian.org and dpkg :) - what do you mean? |
| 08:59.27 | jelly-hme | fujisan: if you're just going to spew quotes, consider doing it in #debian-offtopic, not here. |
| 08:59.35 | fujisan | hehe |
| 08:59.48 | fujisan | ok sorry i was feeling nostalgic about a time i never experienced :( |
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| 09:00.05 | fujisan | gopher://gopher.quux.org/0/Humor%20and%20Fun/Fortune%20Databases/Full%20Database:%20IRC:%20Debian%20Hackers << thats the last of it |
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| 09:02.10 | ebertocchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.17 | ebertocchi | At the very moment I'm configuring a debian 8 pc lab and I have an issue to submit. |
| 09:02.23 | jelly-hme | fujisan: be nostalgic as much as you like, but in the right place |
| 09:02.28 | ebertocchi | Basic setting: |
| 09:02.33 | ebertocchi | - file + slapd auth server (debian lenny) |
| 09:02.38 | ebertocchi | - 4 diskless nodes building a small cluster (debian lenny) |
| 09:02.43 | ebertocchi | - 4 diskless workstation clients (debian squeeze) |
| 09:02.49 | fujisan | ok sorry jelly-hme i didnt think about the offtopic channel |
| 09:02.49 | ebertocchi | all the above is currently working with /etc/passwd test users. |
| 09:03.11 | ebertocchi | nss-pam-ldap (http://arthurdejong.org/nss-pam-ldapd/news.html) appears to me as a good alternative to the standard libnss-ldap + libpam-ldap. |
| 09:03.16 | Alystair | ok now to script wget ;-; |
| 09:03.22 | ebertocchi | However, those libs are available in the squeeze repositories but not in lenny. |
| 09:03.56 | ebertocchi | I have two way to use them in lenny: |
| 09:04.07 | ebertocchi | - build from source and install manually on my machines |
| 09:04.12 | ebertocchi | - backport squeeze packages (never did before) |
| 09:04.16 | ebertocchi | - ask debian backport volunteers to help me in doing that |
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| 09:04.23 | ebertocchi | As in your experience, would be the last option viable? |
| 09:04.29 | ebertocchi | (I'm done) |
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| 09:04.38 | jelly-hme | ebertocchi: try doing it yourself first: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 09:05.53 | ebertocchi | thanks jelly-hme |
| 09:08.22 | _Dave123_ | how can I see if X11 is installed on my remote debian server? |
| 09:08.44 | _Dave123_ | and what can I do best to remotely access the vnc screen? what I do need to install? |
| 09:09.17 | Alystair | ha there are some good lilo quotes there, rip |
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| 09:10.44 | jelly-home | _Dave123_: what are you really trying to do? |
| 09:11.14 | _Dave123_ | I have just bought a dedicated debian server, but I like to have a remote desktop on it where I can view the desktop, install vbox etc |
| 09:11.45 | jelly-home | oh. my servers don't have X or desktops. |
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| 09:13.52 | jelly-home | _Dave123_: installing and using a vnc server is probably the most common solution for that. It's also possible to run remote X applications on local X server. |
| 09:14.10 | _Dave123_ | I prefre vnc |
| 09:14.18 | _Dave123_ | you maybe know a tutorial on how to configure this? |
| 09:14.29 | _Dave123_ | vino (vnc server for gnome) was already installed by default |
| 09:14.33 | jelly-home | I don't deal in tutorials, sorry. |
| 09:14.46 | ebertocchi | I haven't x on servers either, but you can install X11 libs in order to run graphical apps using ssh -X |
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| 09:15.01 | _Dave123_ | I connect from windows system |
| 09:16.07 | ebertocchi | never tried, but http://x.cygwin.com/ exists |
| 09:16.20 | jelly-home | _Dave123_: there are free X servers for windows, like xming. /msg dpkg sshx, also "/msg dpkg cygwin sshx" if you're using cygwin/X |
| 09:16.34 | _Dave123_ | anyway , i prefer vnc server |
| 09:16.36 | _Dave123_ | i google it |
| 09:17.50 | ebertocchi | jelly, as a irc newby, is all this /msg * documentation available from a website? |
| 09:18.53 | jelly-home | ebertocchi: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 09:18.57 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 09:19.54 | jelly-home | ebertocchi: those are dumps of the mysql backend of the factoid db |
| 09:21.11 | Alystair | wow this is the perfect end to a day |
| 09:21.15 | Alystair | Devil's Trill Sonata by Tartini |
| 09:21.17 | Alystair | mmmm |
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| 09:36.51 | cristi8 | hi, xulrunner-stub takes up 99 - 100 of the cpu :| |
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| 09:38.38 | ebertocchi | thanks, jelly-home, it seems to work... by the way, the csv mysql dump would look even worse, wouldn' it? |
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| 09:40.35 | jelly-home | ebertocchi: no idea; there used to be a simple web ui to the db but I can't find it now |
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| 10:18.49 | clint- | hey does anyone remember that tool or flag when formatting the file system full , so it formats the file system on the LBA 0 - 545342 example for every sector |
| 10:19.04 | clint- | not just a quick format, I used to know what it was when I worked with and used debian but I forgot, been such a long time |
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| 10:20.48 | frostschutz | clint-: if you want all sectors overwritten you could just use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/partition bs=1M before mkfs.yourfilesystem /dev/partition. Note that you can't restore any data from /dev/partition afterwards |
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| 10:25.20 | clint- | oh hey sorry , was getting info from #fedora as well |
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| 10:25.30 | clint- | gotta get leaving for work but I appreciate the repsonse |
| 10:25.35 | clint- | response* |
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| 10:28.56 | fxiny | can't believe it :P |
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| 10:32.59 | clint- | so frostschutz that will let me format say.. a hd with ext4 full |
| 10:33.00 | clint- | :) |
| 10:33.03 | clint- | not quick method deal.. ;) |
| 10:33.13 | clint- | hehe, 1 coat of paint.. =) |
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| 10:55.53 | r15 | i am getting error while running make for pidgin http://fpaste.org/wWjO/ |
| 10:57.05 | r15 | default pidgin is not supporting few protocols, so i downloaded source of pidgin. |
| 10:57.26 | jelly-home | r15: which protocols do you need that are not there? |
| 10:57.31 | jelly-home | ,versions pidgin |
| 10:57.33 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.7.2-1; squeeze: 2.7.2-1 |
| 10:57.41 | r15 | jelly-home: yahoo |
| 10:57.56 | jelly-home | r15: have you tried the package from lenny-backports? |
| 10:58.16 | jelly-home | !tell r15 about bpo |
| 10:59.07 | r15 | no, i just installed debian few hours ago, managed to have vmware, wifi working, |
| 10:59.16 | r15 | checking bpo |
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| 11:04.36 | r15 | pidgin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl |
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| 11:05.36 | jelly-home | it is unlikely you'd have symbol issues with packages from bpo |
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| 11:06.01 | jelly-home | (unless you messed with libraries in /usr/lib manually somehow) |
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| 11:06.40 | patrick-- | Hey, does aptitude cache previously entered sources?! |
| 11:06.55 | fxiny | yahoo changes too many times |
| 11:07.02 | patrick-- | when i aptitiude update, it keeps showing me a source which i do not want to use and have removed some time ago |
| 11:07.10 | r15 | following http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 11:08.58 | Trashi | hi. i have some questions about pureftpd(-mysql) ... is it correct that the pureftpd standalone server runs allways with user root? |
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| 11:13.32 | r15 | looks like i messed up something, i installed glib from source, about 30 minutes ago. |
| 11:13.53 | r15 | still pidgin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl |
| 11:14.45 | r15 | i just tried apt-get remove pidgin and then apt-get -t lenny-backports install pidgin |
| 11:15.29 | fxiny | why from sources ? last time i compiled bitlbee (same yahoo problem) i installed debian libs |
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| 11:17.58 | r15 | how do i check which file belongs to which package? on redhat i do rpm -qf /path/to/file/myfile |
| 11:18.28 | fxiny | dpkg -S |
| 11:18.28 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, fxiny |
| 11:18.31 | fxiny | f* |
| 11:19.21 | fxiny | i always forgot the vulture cycling high on me :P |
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| 11:25.06 | jelly-home | r15: what else have you installed from source? |
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| 11:26.14 | r15 | jelly-home: only glib, just upgrading now with apt-get -t lenny-backports upgrade libgtk2 |
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| 11:26.28 | jelly-home | r15: that syntax is not correct. |
| 11:26.56 | r15 | i should not use libgtk2 in the command line. |
| 11:27.00 | fxiny | hmmm , upgrading libgtk2 ? |
| 11:27.03 | jelly-home | r15: just in case it works, DON'T do apt-get -t lenny-backports upgrade |
| 11:27.20 | r15 | ok |
| 11:27.21 | jelly-home | r15: reinstall the package /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 belongs to. |
| 11:28.03 | jelly-home | (and it won't be called "libgtk2", but something similar) |
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| 11:29.24 | jelly-home | r15: use of aptitude is preferable to apt-get, so, aptitude reinstall packagename; /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 11:29.39 | r15 | apt-get install --reinstall libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 11:30.17 | jelly-home | that ought to work as well |
| 11:30.56 | r15 | still the same error |
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| 11:32.00 | jelly-home | r15: does ldd /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 show it as well? |
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| 11:33.55 | r15 | jelly-home: yes it is working |
| 11:34.02 | r15 | ldd /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
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| 11:34.11 | r15 | no lib file missing. |
| 11:35.10 | r15 | ldd /usr/bin/pidgin too working. |
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| 11:36.07 | xingu | google suggests that you may have more than one libglib in your library path |
| 11:36.19 | jelly-home | r15: can you use debsums to check the glib library? Did you install glib with --prefix=/usr, or the default /usr/local? Pastebin the output of "ldd -v /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0" |
| 11:36.27 | xingu | which libglib does ldd on /usr/bin/pidgeon want? |
| 11:37.08 | jelly-home | hm, right, ldd the pidgin binary instead |
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| 11:40.32 | r15 | jelly-home: i used default while installing glib, http://pastebin.com/twXgwXsA (output of ldd -v and strace of pidgin <portion) |
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| 11:41.20 | xingu | takes a guess that /usr/local/lib/libglib is the phantom of this opera |
| 11:41.45 | jelly-home | unfortunately, glibc (and/or debian maintainers) in their infinite wisdom chose to prepend /usr/local/lib to the default dynamic linker path some time ago |
| 11:41.59 | xingu | neat |
| 11:42.22 | jelly-home | so if there's a local build with same soname in /usr/local, well |
| 11:42.58 | jelly-home | r15: uninstall glib from /usr/local ;-) |
| 11:43.56 | r15 | yes, it worked now. |
| 11:44.21 | r15 | Thanks jelly-home. |
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| 11:45.23 | r15 | jelly-home: apology, issue was? |
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| 11:45.38 | justakill | hey people |
| 11:45.44 | justakill | i'm on the debian site |
| 11:45.52 | justakill | and i'd like to download debian |
| 11:46.03 | justakill | but i hvae a choice between 31 cd's |
| 11:46.07 | justakill | which one do i choose |
| 11:46.08 | jelly-home | r15: even the packages use /usr/local/lib/ libraries first |
| 11:46.08 | mei | justakill: Yes? |
| 11:46.09 | justakill | ? |
| 11:46.35 | mei | justakill: The easiest way is to chose the netinst cd. |
| 11:46.43 | justakill | okay |
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| 11:47.02 | justakill | is it? |
| 11:47.11 | justakill | its just i have a very slow connection |
| 11:47.11 | r15 | so my installation was not compatible with the glib which i installed manually. |
| 11:47.15 | mei | justakill: Then, you only have to burn (or copy to an USB drive) one single image. |
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| 11:47.36 | mei | justakill: Either download and run that, or download a whole large image. |
| 11:48.28 | justakill | yea i'd like a whole image because i have a very bad internet connection at my house |
| 11:48.34 | r15 | i did netinstall, and it took me whole night, :D now it is cool, vmware too working fine now. |
| 11:48.55 | justakill | is there not a standard debian download |
| 11:48.57 | justakill | ? |
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| 11:49.15 | justakill | would it be cd-1? |
| 11:49.23 | mei | justakill: My point is that you have to deal with downloading stuff either way. |
| 11:49.31 | TuxSax | justakill: you can download cd1 to perform a basic install |
| 11:49.35 | mei | justakill: Downloading all of the CD's will get you ALL of the current packages. |
| 11:49.50 | simplechat | hey guys, is there any reason why apt-get -t backports install drbd8-source would be installing from the normal repos? |
| 11:49.52 | TuxSax | but you will probably have to install other stuff via internet |
| 11:49.58 | mei | Downloading the first CD will get you a system, but a limited amount of packages. |
| 11:50.18 | justakill | yea welll if i need more packages after thats alright |
| 11:50.19 | r15 | debian as a career? where is it's demand? in my environment there are only two debian servers, which were installed by vendor. |
| 11:50.19 | jelly-home | ,versions drbd8-source |
| 11:50.21 | judd | drbd8-source -- etch-backports: 2:8.0.14-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 2:8.0.14-2+lenny1; lenny-security: 2:8.0.14-2+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2:8.3.7-1~bpo50+1 |
| 11:50.36 | justakill | i just want to avoid download 600 mbs in one go |
| 11:50.40 | justakill | if you see what i mean |
| 11:50.47 | jelly-home | simplechat: replace "backports" with "lenny-backports" |
| 11:50.52 | simplechat | ah |
| 11:50.53 | simplechat | ok |
| 11:51.00 | simplechat | it doesn't tell you that its not actually downloading from backports? |
| 11:51.04 | TuxSax | justakill: if you want a small initial download go for the netinstall |
| 11:51.21 | TuxSax | but it will have to access the internet for all packages |
| 11:51.24 | justakill | the netinstall does that run debian already? |
| 11:51.32 | jelly-home | simplechat: it tells you which version it's going to install, and you have apt-cache policy packagename |
| 11:51.47 | justakill | okay i guess il go for cd-1 |
| 11:51.49 | TuxSax | no, it only boots into the installer and allows you to chose a mirror to download the packages from and install them |
| 11:51.59 | justakill | and work from there there should not be any problem with that right? |
| 11:52.06 | simplechat | jelly-home ah, that makes sense |
| 11:52.11 | TuxSax | justakill: right |
| 11:52.37 | justakill | cool thanks |
| 11:52.46 | TuxSax | justakill: install with CD1 and you'll have a running system, from there you can configure everything and download additional packages using apt |
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| 11:53.01 | justakill | okay thats cool |
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| 11:53.23 | jelly-home | simplechat: I'm silghtly surprised -t randomstring didn't throw an error |
| 11:53.37 | justakill | is there as much software with amd 64 |
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| 11:53.50 | justakill | compared to i386 |
| 11:53.55 | justakill | ? |
| 11:54.19 | jelly-home | justakill: there's exactly the same free software. You'll have issues with nonfree stuff like Adobe Flash. |
| 11:54.37 | justakill | okay and for drivers? |
| 11:55.29 | justakill | i have a complicated network card... i have to use prorietary drivers for ubuntu |
| 11:55.38 | justakill | i'm hoping it will be different with Debian |
| 11:55.45 | justakill | probably won't but i'm hoping |
| 11:55.45 | jelly-home | someone else will have to answer that, I don't use hw which needs binary drivers |
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| 11:56.22 | jelly-home | justakill: what is the lspci -nn output line for that card? |
| 11:56.23 | TuxSax | justakill: what NIC will that be ? |
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| 11:57.39 | justakill | 10:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1693] (rev 02) |
| 11:57.39 | justakill | 30:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g [14e4:4312] (rev 02) |
| 11:57.59 | justakill | okay maybe i shouldn't be giving info out like that?? |
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| 12:02.33 | justakill | ??? |
| 12:02.45 | TuxSax | justakill: that's not so special network card |
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| 12:03.06 | TuxSax | It should work out of the box |
| 12:05.02 | TuxSax | justakill: I don't see the reason why would you want to use proprietary drivers, I have a few ubuntu and debian setups with those NICs and they all worked out of the box |
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| 12:07.29 | justakill | okay |
| 12:07.44 | justakill | i don't know i think its probably just buggy with ubuntu |
| 12:08.54 | justakill | somehow its an issue |
| 12:08.56 | justakill | for my card |
| 12:09.23 | moldovean | , pciid 14e4:1693 |
| 12:09.24 | justakill | do you get a live cd with cd-1 |
| 12:09.25 | judd | [14e4:1693] is 'NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1693 |
| 12:09.26 | justakill | ?$ |
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| 12:11.14 | moldovean | cd1 is no live |
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| 12:11.54 | D-Boy | Hi, My ISP provides Internet(ADSL) & TV separatly, internet connection goes from 192.168.1.1 GW and tv from 10.36.130.132 GW i have 2 nics plugged in the modem(eth0 for TV(10.36.130.132) & eth1 for Internet(192.168.1.1), how to tell the system to use eth1 for internet and eth0 for TV ? (from what i see in the playlist for tv channels, it uses 239.255.0.* on udp so basically i just need to redirect any packets who wants to connect to those addresses to pass t |
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| 12:14.04 | rozie | D-Boy: show ip r |
| 12:15.01 | rozie | in general you should have one default route |
| 12:15.25 | rozie | and ip r a 224.0.0.0/4 dev eth0 |
| 12:16.00 | Rothgar` | Er |
| 12:16.15 | jelly-home | justakill: current debian releases have a separate livecd and separate installer |
| 12:16.30 | Rothgar` | My LD_LIBRARY_PATH is blank for root and users, why is this? |
| 12:17.13 | Rothgar` | is that normal and I am supposed to specify any additions? I thought it had some defaults? |
| 12:17.27 | jelly-home | Rothgar`: it's normal. |
| 12:17.44 | jelly-home | Rothgar`: typically you don't need to touch a thing. |
| 12:18.04 | Rothgar` | Ok I am trying out a binary and it's having issues finding some shared libraries |
| 12:18.34 | jelly-home | Rothgar`: why not state your actual goal, then. |
| 12:18.38 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 12:18.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:18.56 | Rothgar` | Made my way here: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/faq.html but I wasn't sure if the LD_LIBRARY_PATH was supposed to have some values before I added to it |
| 12:19.21 | D-Boy | rozie : which pkg provides show command ? |
| 12:19.35 | jelly-home | Rothgar`: STOP. Tell us what you're trying to accomplish, not the steps you've done or had problems with. |
| 12:19.35 | Rothgar` | jelly-home: I basically get error 3.4 |
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| 12:20.16 | markit | hi, I'm going to write to our natinal television in protest of their choice of Silverlight tecnology for video and streaming fruition |
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| 12:20.33 | markit | anyone can tell me what "Free" tecnology should I suggest them to use instead? |
| 12:20.54 | rozie | D-Boy: you show output of ip r to us ;-) |
| 12:20.55 | markit | don't think ogg/vorbis is suitable for streaming, nor that WebM is working right now |
| 12:21.07 | jelly-home | Rothgar`: something like "I'm trying to run binary foo on my Debian 5.0 amd64 installation. I got foo from http://www.example.org/foo.tar.gz" |
| 12:21.14 | markit | and Flash is proprietary as moonlight/silverlight is |
| 12:21.18 | D-Boy | rozie : silly me ^^' |
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| 12:22.00 | rozie | markit: ogg works fine for audio |
| 12:22.29 | markit | rozie: I'm talking about TELEVISION |
| 12:22.43 | rozie | markit: that's theora afaik |
| 12:22.45 | markit | so video, non audio only |
| 12:23.07 | markit | rozie: is good for streaming? as far as I know uses a LOT of bandwidth compared, i.e., with flash |
| 12:23.07 | rozie | and why do you think it's not suitble? |
| 12:23.23 | rozie | flash is not a stream format |
| 12:23.27 | markit | just download a video in multiple formats, and tell me wich is bigger |
| 12:23.34 | D-Boy | rozie : http://pastebin.com/q31tRKGh |
| 12:23.52 | markit | rozie: mmm isn't youtube streaming in flash? maybe I don't know exactly what stream means.. |
| 12:23.55 | moldovean | markit, all this is debian related ? |
| 12:23.57 | rozie | markit: just compare resolution and compression ratio |
| 12:24.06 | rozie | markit: no it's not flash |
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| 12:24.25 | markit | moldovean: debian is Free Software, is GNU/Linux, and you can't watch italian national tv with debian, I think so |
| 12:24.26 | jelly-home | markit: this is a tech support channel for a specific distro. Why not try a v4l or video related channel? |
| 12:24.30 | rozie | codec is h.264 probably, but you can check it |
| 12:24.41 | moldovean | markit, you are off topic |
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| 12:25.06 | rozie | D-Boy: check out ip r d default via 10.36.130.132 dev eth0 |
| 12:25.20 | rozie | ip r a 224.0.0.0/4 dev eth0 |
| 12:25.42 | markit | moldovean: thanks for your friendly suggestions |
| 12:25.53 | rozie | these two commands should do the trick (at least until restart/dhcp renew) |
| 12:25.55 | moldovean | markit, i don't care about your italian tv |
| 12:26.10 | markit | I'll stay here some time more to bit everyone that is off topic , seems a funny game |
| 12:26.20 | jelly-home | moldovean, markit: could you continue in #debian-offtopic, please |
| 12:26.25 | rozie | markit: probably DRM are the issue, not codec format |
| 12:26.40 | rozie | could tell more if you give me link to the stream |
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| 12:27.09 | markit | rozie: just go in www.rai.it and try to play some video, in any case you should install moonlight, that I think is a bad idea in any case |
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| 12:28.39 | rozie | markit: well, it looks like DRM problem, not codec problem |
| 12:29.00 | markit | rozie: in any case, you can't play it with debian right? |
| 12:29.04 | D-Boy | rozie : (i have fixed ips), http://pastebin.com/STJsE1z5 <== is that ok ? |
| 12:29.24 | rozie | we have the same with www.itvp.pl - requires moonlight, after adding moonlight still doesn't work |
| 12:30.17 | rozie | D-Boy: no. you don't have default route now |
| 12:30.21 | rozie | ip r a default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
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| 12:31.08 | rozie | markit: probably I can't (won't mess up this system with moonlight) |
| 12:31.09 | moldovean | rozie, can't get your " ip r a " , that's it in english ? |
| 12:31.17 | markit | rozie: oh, you use the "ip" command... is something I never tried, I'm stuck with "route add" and "ifconfig" etc. Is "ip" something that worths investigate and use on your opinion? |
| 12:31.43 | markit | moldovean: man ip ;P |
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| 12:31.51 | jelly-home | markit: it's shorter to type. |
| 12:32.09 | rozie | moldovean: it's from iproute package |
| 12:32.15 | Rothgar` | jelly-home: Fixed I forgot I was running 64bit on the box and it was missing 32bit libraries |
| 12:32.21 | markit | jelly-home: so are completely equivalent? I remember an old article like "ip ___" is the new way to do networking |
| 12:32.52 | markit | but seems is not widely used, so I'm guessing if there are real advantages, or are teh "last cool thing", or nothing at all and just a momentary fashion |
| 12:32.55 | markit | that is going do die |
| 12:32.58 | rozie | markit: it's worth to learn and easier to use. route is more cross platform, though |
| 12:33.00 | jelly-home | markit: yeah, that's the preferred way to set up Linux networking since Linux 2.4. Debian just hasn't caught up yet. |
| 12:33.48 | abrotman | the manual does say to use 'ip' |
| 12:33.53 | rozie | on some embedded Linux system there's only route avaliable |
| 12:33.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: which manual? |
| 12:34.00 | markit | I've to run, thanks a lot rozie for your help |
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| 12:34.18 | rozie | markit: np. tell what you achieved |
| 12:34.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: THE manual :) |
| 12:34.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: let me see if i can find it |
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| 12:34.46 | jelly-home | awaits with bated breath |
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| 12:37.08 | rozie | c'mon, don't make war about ip vs. route |
| 12:37.40 | rozie | one can use cat to set routes up, just told my solution ;-) |
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| 12:38.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: can't find it now .. only old docs, but i know it's in there somewhere |
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| 12:56.59 | luminoso | anyone knows if is possible to make aptitude use axel? |
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| 12:58.49 | abrotman | don't think so |
| 12:59.05 | abrotman | why would you want to? |
| 12:59.27 | HackeMate | does debian have any problem in mac hardware? |
| 12:59.31 | HackeMate | or it will run nicely |
| 12:59.33 | luminoso | abrotman, faster download |
| 12:59.44 | luminoso | with a single connecction my ISP caps to 300KB/sec |
| 12:59.51 | luminoso | with axel I can hit 3MB/sec |
| 13:00.00 | abrotman | HackeMate: i have it on a PPC mac, works fine |
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| 13:00.48 | abrotman | luminoso: i haven't seen a method to do it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
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| 13:01.26 | HackeMate | probably i will use a g5 or a intel bassed procesor |
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| 13:01.52 | HackeMate | i hope it works fine, every features |
| 13:02.01 | abrotman | HackeMate: mine is a G4 mini, but the only issues i remember having were the wifi (needs firmware IIRC) and trying to get that damn ATI card to use a TV |
| 13:02.49 | HackeMate | oh, did you tried dualview too? |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | nope .. it's a mini ... only one screen output ? |
| 13:03.32 | HackeMate | i want believe there is any adapter i can use to connect 2 monitors |
| 13:03.41 | HackeMate | so i can sell this computer |
| 13:03.47 | HackeMate | its fine but im tired too many cables |
| 13:05.19 | abrotman | doesn't really think that 300Kbps is that slow .. but whatever |
| 13:05.47 | HackeMate | depending what for, if you want download an iso is being bored |
| 13:05.51 | fbh | 300kbps is extremely slow |
| 13:06.00 | HackeMate | actually i have 600kbps and its fair to me |
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| 13:07.10 | fbh | with 300 kbps it takes like 2 minutes just to get one single mp3 file downloaded |
| 13:07.59 | abrotman | thinks kids are spoiled :) |
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| 13:08.15 | fbh | kids? |
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| 13:08.44 | abrotman | yay modems! |
| 13:09.01 | HackeMate | lol |
| 13:09.06 | HackeMate | that were funny |
| 13:09.48 | abrotman | wonders how amusing it would be to have the system play a modem handshake when bringing up the network interfaces |
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| 13:11.10 | fbh | http://cloudho.st/r/be99fcd0fcdb7fa5d2d16a.jpg |
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| 13:12.37 | HackeMate | nice modem o.o |
| 13:12.47 | fbh | It's what I hav |
| 13:12.49 | fbh | have |
| 13:12.51 | fbh | pretty fast |
| 13:13.28 | abrotman | fbh: i had a coupler when i was young for an apple //e |
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| 13:14.17 | fbh | My first modem was a 14.400 and i cant remember the brand |
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| 13:15.07 | abrotman | must have been nice ... |
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| 13:28.14 | aguitel | i installed gnome-core ,how manage usplash theme in startup and restart process ? |
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| 13:34.21 | simplechat | Hey guys, i'm trying to use module-assistant to build drdb8-modules and its failing |
| 13:34.31 | simplechat | (from the packages, backports repositories) |
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| 13:35.50 | aguitel | i installed gnome-core ,how manage usplash theme in startup and restart process ? |
| 13:36.21 | m314 | I want to update the PATH for all users, is there a place I can do this independently of the shell used? |
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| 13:37.02 | zeloran | is there a way to prevent apt-get (under debian lenny) to install sendmail when i remove exim? --no-install-recommends seems not to work |
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| 13:40.29 | abrotman | zeloran: you need some MTA .. there are other smaller ones |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | !why an mta |
| 13:40.44 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>. |
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| 13:41.51 | zeloran | ok thx, i accept this solution :) |
| 13:43.38 | jelly-home | zeloran: get nullmailer or ssmtp |
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| 13:46.12 | aguitel | i installed gnome-core ,how manage usplash theme in startup and restart process ? |
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| 13:53.30 | fat-lobyte | Hi. I am trying to set my DEBEMAIL somewhere in the environment, but the variable DEBEMAIL keeps gettingt ignored. For example when using dch, the email address is <username@hostname> by default. How can I get the variable to be respected? |
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| 13:54.51 | wooden | fat-lobyte: how are you setting the var? |
| 13:55.16 | jelly-home | fat-lobyte: did you forget to export it? |
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| 13:55.56 | wooden | ^ set it with 'export DEBEMAIL=whatever' |
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| 13:58.47 | fat-lobyte | thanks a lot, I was setting it witch DEBEMAIL=whatever in the ~/.bashrc, but I forgot to export it |
| 13:58.52 | fat-lobyte | now it works I suppose |
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| 14:01.06 | fat-lobyte | is it better to set it in ~/.profile than in ~/.bashrc? |
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| 14:04.33 | smv | needs a good, _working_ gateway tutorial |
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| 14:09.59 | bear | I can't understand one thing, why does "put display to sleep when inactive for...xxx minutes" work in ubuntu and in debian not? and why does ati driver work in ubuntu and in debian not? |
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| 14:10.33 | bear | I mean isn't ubuntu just a modified version of debian? |
| 14:10.58 | jelly-home | bear: nope, they're different distros with different goals and different amounts of integration between components |
| 14:11.26 | fat-lobyte | bear: not quite. Ubuntu takes a lot of stuff from debian, but on the other hand they some stuff their own way |
| 14:11.26 | au | well not so much different |
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| 14:12.29 | fat-lobyte | the fglrx package is different in both. While the debian version actually contains the driver and tries to install it in a "classical way", the ubuntu version is only a downloader (i think...) |
| 14:12.49 | bear | Yes, you're right fat-lobyte, it's a downloader. |
| 14:13.11 | bear | I have a ati hd4330 and was unable to get the ati driver installed on debian 5.0 lenny. |
| 14:13.43 | bear | And my display would not turn off after the time I configured it to do so. |
| 14:13.57 | bear | My screensaver appears but it will not shut down the display. |
| 14:14.20 | bear | I followed the debian wiki, that's why I am a bit confused. |
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| 14:19.02 | pallgone | bear: does dmesg say anything? like missing firmware or something? |
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| 14:20.59 | bear | pallgone, Sadly, I have a kernel panic now. |
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| 14:21.40 | pallgone | bear: mmh... is it a desktop then? server? |
| 14:21.41 | bear | pallgone, Works now, I will tell you in a second. |
| 14:22.02 | bear | pallgone, It's a laptop running virtualBox. I want to move to Debian and was testing it in virtual box. |
| 14:22.34 | bear | pallgone, I'm a beginner, I know, maybe I shouldn't run debian but I'm curious and I want more than ubuntu. |
| 14:22.38 | pallgone | oh, then, well, lenny is bit outdated, I have squeeze on all my desktops and laptops and it's great |
| 14:23.17 | bear | pallgone, Ohh ok, then I probably need to get squeeze too. |
| 14:23.41 | ScottG | Can someone recommend a good tutorial or something for compiling a kernel on Debian? |
| 14:23.45 | pallgone | squeeze is testing, but it's really stable... much better than ubuntu at least |
| 14:24.03 | jelly-home | ScottG: /msg dpkg k-p |
| 14:24.28 | ScottG | lol "The Debian Way" |
| 14:25.08 | jelly-home | ScottG: you can do it the usual way as well, it just won't be packaged and you'll have to manage the setup yourself |
| 14:26.02 | bear | pallgone, Were can I get squeeze? |
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| 14:26.28 | ScottG | jelly-home: Yea, I definitely want to do it the Debian way. I knew how to compile my own kernel on Gentoo (Which I think was the usual way) but I'd like to do it the correct way on Debian if I can |
| 14:26.38 | bear | pallgone, The get debian page points me to lenny online. |
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| 14:27.13 | jelly-home | ScottG: debian userspace won't mind much if you do it the old style. |
| 14:27.16 | pallgone | bear: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 14:27.30 | bear | pallgone, thanks so much, I will give it a try. |
| 14:27.36 | pallgone | bear: np |
| 14:27.43 | jelly-home | bear: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:28.21 | Trashi | hello. i have a small apache question. i can find in error.log the following message: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny8 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g configured -- resuming normal operations ... what does it means? |
| 14:28.36 | pallgone | ScottG: here is something I found out about compiling the kernel: http://pallgone.blogsite.org/blog/tech#kernel |
| 14:29.06 | jelly-home | Trashi: you or a script initiated reload of Apache configuration |
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| 14:31.25 | Trashi | jelly-home: how can i disable this message ... its spamming my logfiles??? :( |
| 14:31.44 | jelly-home | pallgone: next time, if you need an initramfs image, tell make-kpkg to create the package containing it immediately, using --initrd |
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| 14:32.22 | jelly-home | Trashi: how often does it happen? |
| 14:32.59 | pallgone | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
| 14:33.07 | Trashi | maybe 15 times in last 10 minutes |
| 14:33.13 | jelly-home | Trashi: I don't know how to disable the message. Instead try to find out what restarts apache. |
| 14:33.38 | jelly-home | Trashi: did you install apache modules, restart the service, or set up a cron job that restarts it? |
| 14:33.38 | ScottG | Ok, so unrelated question to my last. It seems as if my root file system has spontaneously became read-only |
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| 14:34.21 | rozie | ScottG: after reboot? |
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| 14:34.33 | Trashi | jelly-home: im not really sure .. but i will take a look for this ... but is it right that the message comes only on apache2 restart? |
| 14:34.35 | pallgone | ScottG: oh, I saw that on an ubuntu machine, the FS was corrupted quite badly |
| 14:34.46 | ScottG | rozie: No, just like out of nowhere |
| 14:35.01 | pallgone | ScottG: better try to backup some stuff if you haven't |
| 14:35.06 | ScottG | :( |
| 14:35.07 | rozie | strange. |
| 14:35.15 | rozie | check SMART |
| 14:35.22 | ScottG | Well the only thing I really care about is in /home and that seems to be ok |
| 14:35.27 | shylent | weell file systems become r/o when a certain number of errors occur |
| 14:35.38 | rozie | and fsck |
| 14:35.48 | shylent | most of the time a fsck will fix it (after reboot) |
| 14:35.53 | ScottG | I have like a 33 day uptime on my laptop. I use it as a desktop, though basically |
| 14:35.55 | jelly-home | Trashi: I think it's a reload, not restart |
| 14:35.56 | shylent | just make sure you dont fsck a mounted fs :) |
| 14:36.32 | ScottG | Yea, I'll have to find a livecd |
| 14:36.35 | jelly-home | ScottG: check dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log if it's not the same filesystems) for related messages. |
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| 14:37.16 | jelly-home | shylent: it's not really a "certain number of errors", but rather a certain class of errors |
| 14:37.44 | Trashi | jelly-home: ok thx for this information |
| 14:37.58 | shylent | jelly-home: yeah, I was unspecific for a reason, because I don't *exactly* remember the details, but I know that certain i/o errors can trigger that :) |
| 14:38.04 | rozie | ScottG: not really. you can force fsck on reboot |
| 14:38.17 | jelly-home | shylent: only a small number of errors _don't_ cause a remount-ro |
| 14:38.24 | ScottG | rozie: How? |
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| 14:39.19 | rozie | ScottG: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/ |
| 14:39.30 | rozie | but now, check smart |
| 14:39.46 | ScottG | I have a paste in kern.log but i can't get a browser open in order to paste it |
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| 14:40.04 | ScottG | It's only bout 5 lines, mind if I paste here? |
| 14:40.04 | rozie | ScottG: touch /forcefsck |
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| 14:40.10 | jelly-home | rozie: on a ro / ? |
| 14:40.13 | moldovean | !forcefsck |
| 14:40.13 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze). |
| 14:40.15 | ScottG | Oh, that' simple |
| 14:40.39 | jelly-home | ScottG: for reasons that will become obvious soon, you can't do that |
| 14:40.40 | pallgone | moldovean: ha, good tip |
| 14:40.53 | ScottG | rozie: Uh wait no it isn't. |
| 14:40.53 | rozie | jelly-home: right, not possible |
| 14:41.06 | ScottG | rozie: I don't know why I thought it was. I just tried touching something there a minute ago |
| 14:41.09 | fxiny | kern.log is the place , look for : DMA disabled | failed opcode | reset: master: error | lost interrupt | drive not ready for command | dma_intr |
| 14:41.26 | jelly-home | ScottG: the boot-up scripts usually detect a filesystem with errors and run a fsck automatically |
| 14:41.49 | ScottG | jelly-home: Ok, well I think right now I am just going to reboot |
| 14:41.49 | jelly-home | fxiny: it needn't be a hardware issue |
| 14:41.56 | jelly-home | ScottG: push the button! |
| 14:42.00 | fxiny | i have a swatch script running mailing me |
| 14:42.07 | ScottG | let me just make sure there is nothing I need to back up in my rot fs |
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| 14:42.24 | fxiny | jelly-home: probably not , but you never know |
| 14:42.53 | jelly-home | fxiny: the strings you mention seem exclusively related to hw issues |
| 14:43.26 | jelly-home | ScottG: which debian release are you using? which filesystem type for / ? |
| 14:43.47 | fxiny | jelly-home: yes , but they are prety good , at least swatch can notify me before i reboot or i rsync |
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| 14:43.57 | jelly-home | ScottG: the bot will kick you out after 4 lines, so, if you have to, paste in groups of three |
| 14:44.02 | ScottG | jelly-home: testing and ext4 |
| 14:44.17 | jelly-home | heh, ext4 |
| 14:44.35 | jelly-home | ScottG: uname -r ? |
| 14:44.41 | ScottG | I think the problem is with grub2 |
| 14:44.52 | ScottG | j |
| 14:44.56 | ScottG | jelly-home: 2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 14:45.05 | moldovean | old one |
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| 14:45.37 | jelly-home | ScottG: after a successful fsck, you might want to install the latest linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:45.44 | ScottG | jelly-home: About mid last semester my root file system just died too |
| 14:46.13 | jelly-home | ScottG: if your /home is still writable, dmesg > ~/dmesg, then pastebin if afterwards when you can |
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| 14:47.14 | jelly-home | doesn't make sense to lose perfectly good dmesg output |
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| 14:48.02 | ix_ | how do i find out the id of the pppoe connection i am using? |
| 14:48.17 | ScottG | [3316752.482104] EXT4-fs error (device sda6): ext4_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal |
| 14:48.20 | ScottG | [3316752.482113] EXT4-fs (sda6): Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 14:48.29 | ScottG | [3316752.482125] EXT4-fs error (device sda6) in ext4_da_write_end: IO failure |
| 14:48.33 | ScottG | That's the tail of some dmesg output |
| 14:48.41 | ScottG | I'm rebooting now so brb |
| 14:48.53 | jelly-home | there's more interesting stuff before that. |
| 14:49.06 | ScottG | jelly-home: Yea, ata stuff |
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| 14:49.30 | jelly-home | ScottG: well, save it all before rebooting if you can |
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| 14:52.46 | ScottG | jelly-home: bad bad bad |
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| 14:53.17 | jelly-home | ScottG: if your disks are too hot, power off the machine and let them cool down |
| 14:53.32 | jelly-home | ix_: id? |
| 14:53.32 | ScottG | dunno if they are |
| 14:53.40 | fxiny | hddtemp |
| 14:53.55 | jelly-home | ScottG: hddtemp or smartctl from smartmontools would tell you |
| 14:54.12 | jelly-home | ScottG: or use your finger. |
| 14:54.14 | ScottG | Anyways, first error was that /dev/sda6 (root fs) contains a fs with errors so it forced a check |
| 14:54.21 | ix_ | jelly-home, yes, id |
| 14:54.33 | ScottG | then it said "inodes that were part of a corrupted orphan linked list found" |
| 14:54.42 | jelly-home | ix_: sorry, what does "id" mean in context of pppoe? |
| 14:54.43 | fxiny | it forced a check , found too many errors and monuted it ro |
| 14:54.48 | ScottG | "fsck died with exit status 4" |
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| 14:55.39 | jelly-home | ScottG: can you take a picture of the screen? |
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| 14:55.57 | ScottG | jelly-home: well it's just a usual boot up screen... |
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| 14:56.01 | ix_ | jelly-home, id is the thing before password |
| 14:56.02 | ix_ | :) |
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| 14:56.46 | jelly-home | ix_: username/login part of the credentials? Ask your service provider. |
| 14:56.55 | ScottG | I'm in a mantinance shell and am going to try to run fsck manually like it recommends |
| 14:57.09 | ix | Or the remote circuit ID transmitted by the DSLAM. But I guess that's not what we're talking about now. :-) |
| 14:57.48 | ScottG | jelly-home: looks like it is fixing a lot of stuff. Prompting me to fix |
| 14:57.48 | fxiny | but as zebradog suggested i believe ext3 is buggy , it get confused by rewriting many times the same files , in my home 90% of files errors are like this and , fsck reported two times the same inode errors relinking to lost&found files i deleted in 2007 |
| 14:58.11 | jelly-home | ix: only you know what you're talking about! |
| 14:58.35 | fxiny | of course when the hd is too hot or drunk |
| 14:59.03 | jelly-home | ScottG: if your disks are overheated, _don't_ fsck now. |
| 14:59.10 | ScottG | jelly-home: Should I just say yes to all the "Fix<y>?" prompts? |
| 14:59.15 | fxiny | corrupted dir a f* , fsck is confused |
| 14:59.47 | jelly-home | fxiny: sorry, are you commenting on ScottG' situation or having your own issue or what? |
| 15:00.04 | ScottG | jelly-home: How am I suppose to know if they are overheated? |
| 15:00.24 | jelly-home | ScottG: touch them. boot a livecd and use hddtemp or smartctl. |
| 15:00.35 | fxiny | jelly-home: both , because the issue is ext3 , zebradog had a similar problem regarding some specific corrupted files |
| 15:00.47 | ScottG | jelly-home: alright |
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| 15:01.16 | jelly-home | ScottG: I mean literally put a finger against your HDD and feel the temperature. |
| 15:01.30 | ScottG | jelly-home: laptop |
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| 15:01.53 | jelly-home | ScottG: shut it down, open the hdd cage, etc. |
| 15:02.19 | ScottG | jelly-home: dunno how to dothat. running hddtemp or something seems more reliable |
| 15:02.50 | jelly-home | ScottG: if the ambient temp is unusually hot you can expect the internals of a laptop will be hotter than usual as well |
| 15:03.05 | engrxyz | hi, i was doing "aptitude install drbd8-source" |
| 15:03.17 | engrxyz | where can i find this source in the filesystem |
| 15:03.45 | jelly-home | engrxyz: use dpkg -L packagename to list a package contents |
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| 15:04.16 | jelly-home | engrxyz: also, read /msg dpkg m-a |
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| 15:14.06 | jirka_on_d | hello all, could somebody help me with this issuse please, i accedentally run chmod 775 /* as root and it changed some permissions before i noticed the missing dot, unforunately i don't know exactly what (but probably /bin, /boot, /etc), so i took permissions from another (almost same) system and tried to restore it, but now i've got problem with gnome start, it says: gdm WARNING: session_child_run: cannot find or run the base Xsession script, will try |
| 15:14.58 | NiLon | jirka_on_d be happy that you didn't run that as recursive :P |
| 15:15.00 | jelly-home | jirka_on_d: there wasn't a -R or -r option in there? |
| 15:15.18 | jelly-home | jirka_on_d: pastebin the output of ls -ld /* |
| 15:15.29 | NiLon | because it would be pretty much reinstall after that |
| 15:15.46 | ScottG | 5~Well, i'm downloading systemrescue cd now to use on my laptop, slow connection so it will take about an hour. Be back then |
| 15:15.48 | jirka_on_d | erm sorry. it was recursive of course :'-( |
| 15:15.58 | jelly-home | NiLon: don't you mean, restore from backups. |
| 15:16.14 | NiLon | jelly-home who has whole filesystem backuped? |
| 15:16.22 | jelly-home | jirka_on_d: "restore your system from latest backup" |
| 15:16.24 | jelly-home | NiLon: me. |
| 15:16.53 | jelly-home | NiLon: it's the simplest thing to do and the backup storage is comparatively cheap. |
| 15:16.59 | NiLon | I have only /etc, /var/log and /home and then some spefic locations like db's |
| 15:17.09 | NiLon | but don't see reason to backup binaries |
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| 15:17.58 | jelly-home | NiLon: you probably never experienced a regression in package upgrades. |
| 15:18.13 | jelly-home | or done what jirka_on_d did |
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| 15:18.40 | NiLon | true, haven't done that yet |
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| 15:19.14 | jelly-home | well, restoring the whole thing from scratch is faster and simpler than reinstalling, reconfiguring and restoring data |
| 15:19.28 | jordanm | plain data backup is fine, so long as you think you could still fully restore a system in a reasonable ammount of time |
| 15:19.30 | jirka_on_d | hmhm |
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| 15:19.56 | jelly-home | jordanm: s/you think// |
| 15:20.08 | jirka_on_d | unfortunately there's custom real time kernel with patched fglrx driver |
| 15:20.30 | jirka_on_d | well i'll have to say farewell |
| 15:20.36 | jirka_on_d | :-'( |
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| 15:21.21 | jelly-home | jirka_on_d: you can always dump the current state somewhere, or even do a complete separate new installation and pick up bits of the old one later |
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| 15:22.34 | jelly-home | !tell jirka_on_d about aptitude clone |
| 15:22.45 | jelly-home | in case you decide on a fresh install |
| 15:24.54 | jelly-home | would replace current "things to backup" factoid with "everything; plus partition tables in sfdisk -d format, lvm/vg/pv sizes and names/mount points, and..." |
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| 15:26.32 | moldovean | permit jelly-home to do that ;) |
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| 15:30.15 | jirka_on_d | ok thanks |
| 15:30.43 | engrxyz | i really don't understand why is it that my nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf on always gone when i rebooted |
| 15:30.55 | Guest30194 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.11 | pallgone | jelly-home: so how do you backup everything? boot from a live cd? lvm? |
| 15:31.51 | nameless` | hey |
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| 15:32.35 | TuxSax | engrxyz: that can be because your network settings are received via DHCP? |
| 15:32.37 | nameless` | i can't load a module in the kernel, i try to modprobe the scx200_acb which one is right in place at /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/scx200_acb.ko but i've got an error message FATAL .. no such device |
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| 15:33.03 | nameless` | (it's a module for lm-sensors to get works) |
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| 15:33.21 | TuxSax | engrxyz: if you want it to be permanent you should change it in the advanced settings of your interface via the network manager GUI |
| 15:33.34 | engrxyz | TuxSax, : i did put it manually on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:33.50 | Guest30194 | WHY DOESN'T ANYONE ANSWER? |
| 15:33.51 | engrxyz | TuxSax, : how will i do that? |
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| 15:34.49 | TuxSax | engrxyz: right click on network manager, then edit connections, then chose your interface and click the edit button |
| 15:35.10 | engrxyz | is there a console tool for that |
| 15:35.25 | TuxSax | engrxyz: then go to IPv4 settings |
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| 15:35.52 | engrxyz | is it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:35.56 | TuxSax | engrxyz: not as long as network-manager controls your network settings |
| 15:36.54 | pallgone | !hello |
| 15:36.54 | dpkg | Hi, pallgone! |
| 15:36.55 | TuxSax | engrxyz: nope, if network-manager controls the settings then the /etc/network/interfaces is a dummy file and the /etc/resolv.conf is re-writed on each boot |
| 15:37.42 | engrxyz | TuxSax: so not to rely on network manager how should i correct it now much familiar with debian though |
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| 15:39.14 | TuxSax | you can always uninstall the network manager if you don't like it, this way you'll control it via the text files mentioned above |
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| 15:39.49 | pallgone | isn't dhclient overwriting the resolv.conf? |
| 15:40.21 | pallgone | TuxSax: are you using dhcp? |
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| 15:40.26 | TuxSax | pallgone: it is, if you're using dhcp |
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| 15:40.31 | TuxSax | I am in some of my PCs |
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| 15:41.00 | pallgone | ehm, that should go to engrxyz ... |
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| 15:41.21 | engrxyz | pallgone, : nope static |
| 15:41.22 | TuxSax | pallgone: you asked, I answered ;-) |
| 15:41.28 | pallgone | TuxSax: lol |
| 15:41.39 | TuxSax | pallgone: take up from here, I gotta go |
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| 15:41.49 | TuxSax | good luck engrxyz |
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| 15:42.11 | nickdaly | Is there any way to check what packages are from which repository and version? How would I report on which packages are from backports vs debian.org's lenny? |
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| 15:42.33 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 15:42.33 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bpo list>, or <dmm list> |
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| 15:43.36 | nickdaly | that's amazing, thanks! |
| 15:44.03 | pallgone | engrxyz: if you are not using dhcp nor network-manager it shouldn't get overwritten |
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| 15:44.43 | engrxyz | it's always |
| 15:44.59 | engrxyz | i am starting to get confuse with the way debian is setup |
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| 15:45.56 | pallgone | engrxyz: that's certainly not debian's fault, something is wrong about your setup I would say |
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| 15:46.36 | engrxyz | now when i uninstalled the network-manager, i can't seem to get /sbin/ifconfig work |
| 15:47.14 | pwntang | hi guys. I'm trying to install the HP printer drivers from the HP website and the installer is asking me to install a package named 'python-devel' but one doesn't seem to exist on my system. Is there an alternative? |
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| 15:48.29 | phogg | python-devel sounds like a fedora package |
| 15:48.31 | xyan | pwntang: doesnt the installer detect your distribution and auto install packages? development headers are in python-dev |
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| 15:48.48 | pwntang | it doesn't auto install, no. |
| 15:48.53 | pallgone | pwntang: hmm, do you need those extra drivers then? |
| 15:49.09 | xyan | hplip is already packaged for debian |
| 15:49.10 | pwntang | ah, python-dev exists |
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| 15:52.13 | pwntang | ah, okay. I'll try to find that |
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| 15:53.28 | moldovean | pwntang, apt-cache search hplip |
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| 15:55.05 | pallgone | pwntang: dpkg -l | grep hplip |
| 15:55.32 | pwntang | all done, thanks very much |
| 15:55.48 | pwntang | I can print now |
| 15:55.52 | pwntang | thanks again! |
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| 15:56.16 | moldovean | !next |
| 15:56.16 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 15:57.57 | robertzaccour | what are the general feelings of Debian devs regarding Ubuntu? Is it a ripoff? help? a good thing? a bad thing? work together with their devs? |
| 15:57.59 | fxiny | picks up the customer umbrella |
| 15:59.16 | fxiny | can't answer , i'm not a dev ;) |
| 15:59.40 | moldovean | robertzaccour, ask in #debian-ubuntu on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:17.51 | eptalon | heyas |
| 16:18.19 | eptalon | I am looking for a proggy that allows me to correct exposure with digital photos, in sid |
| 16:19.15 | abrotman | gimp ? |
| 16:19.28 | abrotman | might be overkill though |
| 16:19.29 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf is a proggy? |
| 16:20.10 | eptalon | abrotman: No, not gimp, had a different name, used on camera-specific formats (like NEF for Nikon) |
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| 16:24.01 | eptalon | found it, ufraw. |
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| 16:44.12 | theplic | hi all |
| 16:44.25 | theplic | i seem to be getting a lot of packages not found from the synaptic :( |
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| 16:46.13 | vlt | Hello. On Debian lenny I have a disk that is a spare member of an md raid5 array. It has been in sleep mode (hdparm -y) for weeks. But since a few hours it is awake and something is writing with 3kB/s avg to it. Any idea how to find out what causes this and how to avoid it? |
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| 16:46.41 | theplic | vlt netstat? |
| 16:46.51 | theplic | uhm no. sorry |
| 16:48.54 | vlt | dstat shows me that something is writing to that disk (/dev/sdf). One second after sending it to sleep mode it wakes up again. |
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| 16:50.59 | pallgone | vlt: lsof should do the trick |
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| 16:52.21 | vlt | pallgone: `lsof | grep sdf` return nothing |
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| 16:56.33 | pallgone | of course, it doesn't list the /dev |
| 16:57.03 | shact | Hey guys. I've installed ndiswrapper and added my driver and it says it's installed, but how do i check it's working? |
| 16:57.22 | pallgone | vlt: where is it mounted? try searching that |
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| 16:57.45 | pallgone | shact: see if you have the device? |
| 16:57.48 | vlt | pallgone: It's not mounted. |
| 16:58.01 | pallgone | vlt: ok, how can something write to it then? |
| 16:58.10 | vlt | pallgone: That's m< question |
| 16:58.12 | vlt | *my |
| 16:58.39 | vlt | Maybe md writes to it. But why? |
| 16:59.03 | pallgone | shact: ifconfig -a |
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| 17:00.02 | shact | thanks. turns out it's not |
| 17:00.51 | pallgone | shact: can happen, ndiswrapper doesn't always work, even if it says so, also check dmesg for errors |
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| 17:01.31 | shact | pallgone, what do people do if it doesn't work? |
| 17:03.15 | pallgone | shact: ehm, it is for wifi? |
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| 17:04.09 | shact | pallgone, yeah |
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| 17:06.12 | pallgone | shact: well, try another driver version, bite your lip, compile some linux drivers, curse the whole thing, buy another card, something like that |
| 17:06.47 | shact | Pallgone: There are no linux drivers and it's built into the laptop :( |
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| 17:07.24 | pallgone | shact: try a pcmcia card, I usually do that |
| 17:07.45 | pallgone | shact: I have some still lying around for that case |
| 17:07.45 | shact | pallgone, yeah might have to |
| 17:09.16 | shact | pallgone, after it's installed in ndiswrapper I don't have to enable it or anything do I? |
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| 17:10.08 | pallgone | shact: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 17:10.53 | shact | yeah i read that. not the most helpful site ever |
| 17:11.54 | pallgone | what card do you have? |
| 17:12.47 | vlt | Ok, I found it. It really seems to be md that is writing to the disk. When I `watch mdadam -E /dev/sdf2` there's an "Update Time" and it's max. 2 seconds old. Why does ot do this? Why now? |
| 17:14.10 | shact | pallgone, it's a Winbond |
| 17:14.16 | pallgone | vlt: maybe md is missing sdf |
| 17:14.40 | shact | ...just trying the Win98 drivers instead of the 2k ones |
| 17:14.42 | vlt | pallgone: /proc/mdstat look fine. sdf2 is marked as "spare" |
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| 17:15.50 | shact | nope :( you'd think something as simple as Win98 drivers would work! |
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| 17:16.10 | WormFood | does dpkg (or something else), keep a record of what dates a package is updated? |
| 17:16.55 | WormFood | one of my packages broke, and I want to see when it was updated in the past, so maybe I can roll back to an older (working) version |
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| 17:17.50 | xvilka | hi! pls. tell me, how i can solve problem, if i have LVM+dmcrypt on root partition and when i'm rebooted - init write that he cant init device (after password asking) - write that cant find sed |
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| 17:19.05 | rozie | WormFood: take a look at http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 17:19.24 | rozie | (source and binary seem to be mixed up, but still may be helpful) |
| 17:20.02 | WormFood | rozie, the specific package I'm having problems with is in the multimedia repo, so it isn't listed on that page you gave me |
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| 17:20.20 | Raven007 | hello |
| 17:20.49 | fxiny | WormFood: maybe i can help you by reading my records : which package and version ? |
| 17:20.53 | WormFood | Raven007, ä½ å¥½ :P |
| 17:21.04 | WormFood | fxiny, handbrake for amd64 |
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| 17:21.19 | fxiny | oh , is not installed here |
| 17:22.47 | WormFood | i used it to encode videos for my PSP on June 27th, and sometime between then and now, it has quit working (and of course, I didn't play with my working presets |
| 17:24.08 | WormFood | tomorrow I go on a 3 day trip, and was looking forward to having something to watch on the airplane....oh well....now it is 1:30 am, and gotta go to bed. Thanks for trying to help fxiny, I appreciate it. See ya'll l8r |
| 17:24.29 | pallgone | WormFood: check the dpkg.log? |
| 17:25.02 | pallgone | it's in /var/log |
| 17:25.07 | fxiny | WormFood: have a good time . nothing left in apt/cache/archives ? |
| 17:25.26 | WormFood | excellent pallgone, that is exactly what I was looking for |
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| 17:25.50 | WormFood | yeah, I know where to look for logs, but thanks anyways....I didn't remember dpkg kept logs |
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| 17:27.49 | WormFood | excellent fxiny....the older package is in my cache....thanks...I expected it to have deleted older versions of the software from the cache, when new versions are installed |
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| 17:28.48 | WormFood | maybe I'll have time to play with this in the morning (I doubt it), but for now, I'm about ready to fall over. Thanks again for your help fxiny and pallgone |
| 17:29.05 | xvilka | no one know about my issue? may be you know where i can find answer? |
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| 18:10.19 | paines | hi |
| 18:10.49 | paines | i just installed squeeze an start up messes up the screen totally. i guess nouveau kicked in badly |
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| 18:10.54 | paines | how can I disable this ? |
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| 18:11.28 | Mikaze | Anyone know how to keep the friggin keyboard from repeating so soon in the console? |
| 18:12.03 | quiritius | paines: the tty or gui? |
| 18:13.05 | thewanderer1 | Mikaze: man kbdrate |
| 18:13.27 | Mikaze | thewanderer1: Tnx. |
| 18:13.28 | paines | quiritius, tty |
| 18:14.24 | quiritius | paines: but the gui is ok? for the tty you need to set up grub correctly. |
| 18:14.49 | paines | quiritius, no no. i have a messed up screen |
| 18:15.00 | pallgone | quiritius: does it switch resolution some time after udev kicks in? |
| 18:15.00 | paines | quiritius, i cannot fix it via grub, cause I don't see a thing |
| 18:15.11 | pallgone | ehm, > paines |
| 18:15.14 | paines | yes |
| 18:15.42 | pallgone | then it's probably kms |
| 18:15.44 | quiritius | paines: can you log in in the restore mode or something in grub? |
| 18:16.10 | paines | quiritius, yes. i tried vga=normal, but no change |
| 18:16.11 | quiritius | paines: you can also try to blacklist nouveau |
| 18:16.25 | quiritius | paines: that option is deprecated |
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| 18:16.50 | pallgone | paines: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling |
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| 18:18.59 | quiritius | paines: try setying up the resolution for the grub itself via GRUB_GFXMODE= and tty resolution via GRUB_GFXMODE= in /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:19.19 | paines | quiritius, okay |
| 18:19.25 | quiritius | paines: *err, i mean GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX= for tty |
| 18:19.28 | paines | pallgone, also good link. thank you very much |
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| 18:19.54 | gusto | hi |
| 18:19.57 | pallgone | paines: you can see the text until udev is scanning for devices? |
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| 18:20.05 | paines | pallgone, yes |
| 18:20.16 | pallgone | paines: then disabling kms should fix it |
| 18:20.25 | paines | nomodeset |
| 18:20.29 | paines | right ? |
| 18:20.37 | gusto | i did put debian multimedia iside the apt/sources and now he unisntalled jackd2 and i can not put it back w/o uninstalling mplayer |
| 18:21.06 | gusto | so what is wrong? why do i have to have either mplayer or jackd2 and not both? |
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| 18:21.31 | pallgone | paines: yeah, but I usually do the modprobe setting |
| 18:21.32 | quiritius | paines: but you have nvidia, no? |
| 18:21.46 | paines | quiritius, yes |
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| 18:22.41 | paines | pallgone, nomodeset works. I can login now |
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| 18:23.09 | pallgone | !next |
| 18:23.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 18:23.21 | paines | haha |
| 18:23.28 | pallgone | :) |
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| 18:23.46 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone how do you kill the tightvncserver? |
| 18:24.04 | paines | quiritius, i think i will live with nomodeset |
| 18:24.17 | paines | pallgone and quiritius, you have been very helpful |
| 18:24.20 | paines | thank you very much |
| 18:24.32 | pallgone | THE_GFR|WORK: with a knife? |
| 18:24.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | >:| |
| 18:24.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | wtf |
| 18:24.59 | pallgone | it won't respond to 'kill'? |
| 18:25.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | well I didn't remember that |
| 18:25.31 | quiritius | paines: actually, what i wrote concerns the correct setting up of resolution. this is only way i could get my tty's to show up _inside_ the screen ) |
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| 18:26.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | pallgone: I don't know how to list running processes |
| 18:26.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | I don't recall anyhow |
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| 18:26.27 | pallgone | THE_GFR|WORK: ps -A | grep vnc |
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| 18:26.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok thanks |
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| 18:27.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | it didn't show it running |
| 18:27.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | even though it is |
| 18:27.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | oh I did it wrong |
| 18:28.06 | pallgone | wow, intel paid dell 4.2 billion USD to refrain from selling AMD |
| 18:28.29 | paines | quiritius, really ? never seen that problem |
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| 18:29.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | thanks pallgone |
| 18:29.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | pallgone: do you know how to setup Grsync? |
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| 18:30.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | pallgone: basically I have a secondary hard drive in my server that debian is running on, and I want to do a backup in-case something goes south and I have a crash |
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| 18:31.14 | quiritius | paines: there was a lot of tutorials: edit 00_header file (gfxpayload=keep) etc. but my tty would occasionally show me only its upper left-hand corner in lower right-hand corner of the screen. GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX= cures this. |
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| 18:31.39 | paines | quiritius, i see. thanks for info |
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| 18:32.59 | pallgone | THE_GFR|WORK: well, rsnapshot is nice for that, check it out |
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| 18:33.21 | gusto | i found sth helpful, seems that debian multimedia has old linked package |
| 18:33.31 | paines | thanks again and bye bye |
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| 18:34.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | pallgone: ok |
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| 18:37.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | pallgone: is there a GUI one? |
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| 18:39.31 | pallgone | THE_GFR|WORK: possibly, I do such things on the console so I don't know exactly |
| 18:39.37 | User525 | Hello. I seem to have a rootkit installed, and my linux server provider isnt really helping me. I found a tutorial saying I need to force reinstall my core untils (because immuniable bits have been set according to rkhunter)... His tutorial uses RPM...and debian shows no source RPM.. how do i reinstall core utils in debian lenny |
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| 18:40.47 | reisio | User525: you should probably reinstall completely |
| 18:40.58 | reisio | and this time install something to keep track of which files have been altered |
| 18:41.14 | reisio | so you can feel comfortable not reinstalling completely next time |
| 18:41.57 | shact | hey guys. does anyone know how to say "connect to wireless network?" i can add one ok, and ifconfig says the card works, but dunno how to simply connect. thanks |
| 18:42.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | pallgone: any good backup programs with a GUI? |
| 18:43.03 | reisio | GUI's obscure what's really going on |
| 18:43.09 | shact | ...i got Wifi Radar but don't get it at all or like it. A list of available networks would be nice |
| 18:43.11 | User525 | @reisio. I plan on reinstalling but right now I need about a week to get everything ready. I need a temporary solution. Any advice on how to remove (or seem to) the rootkit for now |
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| 18:43.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | reisio: what? |
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| 18:43.24 | reisio | GUI's obscure what's really going on |
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| 18:44.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | reisio: I need to backup my server daily, to the secondary drive, so if the system crashes I can have it up and running quickly |
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| 18:44.59 | reisio | I get that, I just wouldn't use something with a GUI |
| 18:45.06 | reisio | because then you'll be dependent on the GUI |
| 18:45.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | reisio: can you help me set something up then? |
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| 18:45.24 | reisio | checkout rdiff-backup |
| 18:45.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | if I do it myself I'd want something with a gui |
| 18:45.31 | THE_GFR|WORK | basically |
| 18:45.38 | Gabtendo | Is there any way to reorder partitions? |
| 18:45.45 | reisio | THE_GFR|WORK: okay I'll revise what I said |
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| 18:45.58 | reisio | if you use something with a GUI, you should learn how to _restore_ a backup _before_ you start making backups for real |
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| 18:46.13 | reisio | because a lot of people come online asking how to do that, because they have no idea, because it's a GUI :p |
| 18:46.22 | reisio | Gabtendo: yeah, but why? |
| 18:46.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | reisio: I'm familliar with Acronis True Image, which I would use, but, I was looking for something smaller/easier |
| 18:46.49 | Gabtendo | I want to have a usable NTFS win32 file storage on my USB drive /and/ a bootable Linux partition |
| 18:46.51 | reisio | THE_GFR|WORK: you want full disk images? |
| 18:46.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | guess its true image time |
| 18:46.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | reisio: yea |
| 18:46.56 | Gabtendo | but Windows will only recognize the first partition |
| 18:47.11 | Gabtendo | I can get it to always boot the Linux partition with GRUB |
| 18:47.18 | Gabtendo | but I need to reorder it so the NTFS partition is first |
| 18:47.20 | jordanm | THE_GFR|WORK: IIRC, only the "enterprise" version includes a linux client, which is proprietary and around $1,000 |
| 18:47.27 | Gabtendo | so...yeah. |
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| 18:47.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | jordanm: yea |
| 18:47.46 | Gabtendo | reisio: so how do I reorder? |
| 18:48.09 | jordanm | THE_GFR|WORK: I did a small ammount for testing of the linux client for work... I found it to be aweful |
| 18:48.11 | reisio | Gabtendo: you can probably just reconfigure your GRUB conf |
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| 18:48.22 | Gabtendo | to do what? |
| 18:48.24 | reisio | Gabtendo: pastebin it, and the output of fdisk -l |
| 18:48.26 | pallgone | jordanm: can it do live backups? |
| 18:48.27 | reisio | Gabtendo: to make it boot |
| 18:48.31 | shact | ok, i have a tar ball and it had no Make file. now what? |
| 18:48.32 | Gabtendo | it boots already |
| 18:48.33 | Gabtendo | it boots fine |
| 18:48.36 | Gabtendo | the ONLY thing I need to do |
| 18:48.39 | jordanm | pallgone: yes, but so can rsync |
| 18:48.43 | Gabtendo | is make the NTFS partition the first partition |
| 18:48.50 | Gabtendo | I can make it boot fine |
| 18:48.55 | reisio | Gabtendo: I'm just not convinced you need to do that |
| 18:49.13 | Gabtendo | the only reason I'm doing this is so Windows will recognize the NTFS partition |
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| 18:49.23 | Gabtendo | the only partition Windows will recognize is the very first one it finds |
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| 18:49.40 | pallgone | jordanm: well, but not from the whole system? can you do a live backup with rsync that works like an image? |
| 18:49.49 | Gabtendo | which right now is my FAT16 Debian live |
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| 18:50.02 | Gabtendo | so I need to reorder it so the NTFS partition is first |
| 18:50.07 | reisio | Gabtendo: you're basing this conclusion on? |
| 18:50.18 | Gabtendo | experience |
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| 18:50.29 | Gabtendo | with messing with which partition Windows recognizes |
| 18:50.57 | Gabtendo | I have a gparted live CD already |
| 18:51.39 | reisio | THE_GFR|WORK: guess you might checkout Bacula |
| 18:52.01 | Gabtendo | reisio: so...? |
| 18:52.02 | reisio | THE_GFR|WORK: I'd just use dd for whole disk ( http://mark.koli.ch/2009/05/howto-whole-disk-backups-with-dd-gzip-and-p7zip.html ) and rdiff-backup for incremental |
| 18:52.25 | reisio | Gabtendo: so the problem is... GRUB doesn't boot Windows? |
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| 18:52.27 | reisio | or something else? |
| 18:52.36 | Gabtendo | this has nothing to do with booting Windows |
| 18:52.43 | jordanm | reisio: well, there are issues with that... if you don't zero the empty sections of the drive before the dd, it won't compress hardly at all |
| 18:52.48 | reisio | Gabtendo: so what's the problem? |
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| 18:53.00 | Gabtendo | the "Windows" partition is just a filesystem I can use for storing files that Windows will recognize when I stick the USB drive into a computer running Windows |
| 18:53.01 | Gabtendo | the problem is |
| 18:53.07 | reisio | jordanm: indeed, but you could argue it'll take a long long time either way |
| 18:53.07 | jordanm | reisio: you could end up with an 320gb backup of 50gb of data |
| 18:53.08 | Gabtendo | a Windows operating system will only recognize the first partition on the drive |
| 18:53.15 | Gabtendo | so I want that partition to be the NTFS partition |
| 18:53.21 | Gabtendo | so that has to be the first partition |
| 18:53.31 | Gabtendo | but right now it's my Linux partition which boots fine |
| 18:53.34 | reisio | jordanm: 50GB you care about :) |
| 18:53.35 | pallgone | as far as I have read, LVM can to snapshots... so this would be cool, but I don't have LVM on my server, so I'm using rsnapshot to backup the important stuff |
| 18:53.40 | Gabtendo | so all I want to do is reorder the partitions |
| 18:53.41 | pallgone | *do |
| 18:53.49 | jordanm | reisio: with rsync using hard links, you get the opposite effect. you can store multiple days or "snapshots" of the filesystem with the only increased space being the differing files |
| 18:53.51 | Gabtendo | reisio: so how do I reorder the partitions!! |
| 18:53.52 | Gabtendo | T.T |
| 18:53.56 | reisio | Gabtendo: should be pretty easy with gparted |
| 18:54.09 | reisio | jordanm: I'm aware |
| 18:54.16 | Gabtendo | I looked at it and reordering wasn't immediately obvious |
| 18:54.26 | reisio | jordanm: you saw the 'whole disk' part, right? |
| 18:54.29 | reisio | whole = whole |
| 18:54.40 | reisio | Gabtendo: k |
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| 18:54.46 | jordanm | reisio: the whole disk is pointless, the files are all that matter |
| 18:55.00 | jordanm | reisio: recreating partition tables and installing grub to mbr is trivial |
| 18:55.17 | reisio | jordanm: I'm really not sure why you're telling me this |
| 18:55.29 | pallgone | jordanm: if you want to be quickly back on track snapshots are clearly better |
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| 18:55.51 | issyl0 | Hi all :) |
| 18:55.55 | reisio | hi |
| 18:55.55 | issyl0 | I know Ubuntu has "secure-remove" package, but is there one for Debian? |
| 18:55.59 | issyl0 | srm instead of just rm. |
| 18:56.09 | thewanderer1 | issyl0: `shred` then `rm` |
| 18:56.10 | Gabtendo | I'm going to just go try messing with gparted some more |
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| 18:56.25 | reisio | Gabtendo: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html#mozTocId187594 |
| 18:56.28 | issyl0 | Right, OK. |
| 18:56.29 | syn4pse | i prefere qtparted |
| 18:56.33 | reisio | syn4pse: heh |
| 18:56.33 | issyl0 | I'll try that; thanks thewanderer1. |
| 18:56.57 | Gabtendo | ooohhh |
| 18:57.03 | Gabtendo | that makes sense. |
| 18:57.06 | Gabtendo | thanks. |
| 18:57.10 | issyl0 | Good good. |
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| 18:57.13 | reisio | hooray for docs? |
| 18:57.25 | thewanderer1 | issyl0: besides, there is some tool in GNOME's GPG tool that creates a "secure trash bin" for you - it securely erases everything that you drop into it - it might still be there or not, you'd have to research :P |
| 18:57.34 | reisio | oh this looks good, too http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/move/move.htm |
| 18:57.43 | issyl0 | thewanderer1: I don't have GNOME on my server, thankfully. :) |
| 18:57.58 | issyl0 | But that's cool. |
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| 18:59.54 | nameless` | is there an option for grep to output in a file instead of standard output ? (not > ) |
| 19:00.00 | nameless` | i don't find it on the man |
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| 19:00.13 | jordanm | nameless`: what is wrong with shell redirection? |
| 19:00.19 | nameless` | jordanm: i use wargs |
| 19:00.21 | nameless` | xargs |
| 19:00.26 | nameless` | basically i want to do this |
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| 19:01.02 | nameless` | cat file1 | xargs -I{} file2 -output {}.dat |
| 19:01.16 | nameless` | if i use shell redirection, i will no longer be able to use {} as filename |
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| 19:01.20 | jordanm | that looks terribly wrong.... |
| 19:01.26 | nameless` | oiuops i forgot grep |
| 19:01.35 | nameless` | cat file1 | xargs -I{} grep {} file2 -output {}.dat |
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| 19:02.25 | nameless` | i have a list of mac address (one per line) i just want to write a separate file for each mac address found in a big trace file |
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| 19:02.36 | nameless` | i can write a perl programme that loops other the file |
| 19:02.39 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: cat file1 | while read FILENAME; do grep .... blablabla >streamredirector.txt; done; |
| 19:02.46 | nameless` | yayayaya |
| 19:02.49 | nameless` | sure |
| 19:02.55 | nameless` | with a loop |
| 19:02.59 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 19:03.03 | abrotman | or ask #bash |
| 19:03.08 | nameless` | but i wonder if grep have thing like that |
| 19:03.14 | thewanderer1 | no, it doesn't |
| 19:03.18 | nameless` | ok :) |
| 19:03.19 | thewanderer1 | but you have the source ;P |
| 19:03.28 | nameless` | huhu |
| 19:03.38 | nameless` | my goal was to quickly have what i wanted :) |
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| 19:03.49 | thewanderer1 | (btw. you can always execute sh -c "mysuperweirdcommand >uglyfile" from xargs...) |
| 19:03.51 | reisio | issyl0: you have KDE on a _server_? :) |
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| 19:05.57 | issyl0 | reisio: haha, no :P |
| 19:06.06 | reisio | :D |
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| 19:17.10 | hardex_ | Hi. I want to build some package, and each one should conflict with each other. There will be other future maintainers and packages so I can't write each-to-each 'Conflicts' statements |
| 19:18.26 | dondelelcaro | hardex_: why do they need to conflict with eachother? |
| 19:18.44 | hardex_ | these are themes for some software that don't support theming |
| 19:18.53 | hardex_ | *GUI themes |
| 19:19.07 | hardex_ | they will contain files with same paths |
| 19:20.36 | hardex_ | if I make them *provide* something and then *conflict* with this something, will it work or packages will conflict with themselves? |
| 19:20.52 | dondelelcaro | hardex_: that actually sounds like the package should be fixed, and possibly that you should be using alternatives instead of conflicts |
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| 19:21.32 | dondelelcaro | hardex_: that said, you can use Provides: and Conflicts: to do that |
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| 19:33.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | is there anything like Acronis Backup And Recovery 10 Server For Linux that is free? |
| 19:34.30 | reisio | THE_GFR|WORK: didn't like Bacula? |
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| 19:45.43 | nkuttler | THE_GFR|WORK: or backuppc |
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| 19:46.45 | Enverex | Is there an up to date guide anywhere for Exim+Spamassassin? All the ones I'm finding all use the old exiscan-sa and the one I found that doesn't, doesn't seem to work |
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| 19:48.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | nkuttler: ok I'll look at that does it have a GUI? |
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| 19:49.17 | nkuttler | THE_GFR|WORK: 'it' has a web interface |
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| 20:09.08 | pallgone | GUI GUI GUI, we are only happy with a GUI |
| 20:09.48 | Maulkin | ok... |
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| 20:16.17 | mmnicolas | pallgone: juste UI is fine |
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| 20:20.59 | RAWRjar | So this is embarrassing - I installed logwatch & had some problems with ssmtp, then eventually got it working. I have one crontab entry for logwatch at 11pm, but I also get a logwatch at 6am. I think it's the default install working - where could I find other scheduled task? |
| 20:21.18 | RAWRjar | *tasks |
| 20:21.53 | jordanm | RAWRjar: /etc/cron.daily is the defaul[D[D[D[D[Dt |
| 20:22.25 | jordanm | err, thats logrotate, nvm |
| 20:22.29 | RAWRjar | jordanm: hmm. can I just delete the "00logwatch" entry from that folder? |
| 20:22.38 | RAWRjar | nono, there's a logwatch entry there I think you're right |
| 20:22.56 | RAWRjar | "test -x /usr/share/logwatch/scripts/logwatch.pl || exit 0" |
| 20:23.22 | RAWRjar | "/usr/sbin/logwatch --mailto root" |
| 20:23.56 | jordanm | RAWRjar: I would recommend keeping the system one, and modifying it to your needs |
| 20:23.56 | RAWRjar | if I delete that entry from etc/cron.daily will it stop? Or will ugly things happen.... |
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| 20:24.11 | jordanm | either way should be fine however |
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| 20:24.41 | RAWRjar | I see. I was just going to have it run in the late evening since I couldn't figure out if the "Today" range meant literally today or last 24-hour rolling |
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| 20:40.43 | martianixor | does pulseaudio has a group on the system called pulse ? |
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| 20:47.49 | Alystair | any screen experts here? How do you close a split? |
| 20:47.58 | Alystair | and is there a way to make splits horizontal instead of vertical? |
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| 20:57.16 | mmnicolas | Alystair: im pretty sure man screen covers this topic |
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| 20:58.43 | drworm | apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 20:59.16 | drworm | I thought that the Debian package system ensured that there are no dependency problems already... |
| 21:00.12 | mmnicolas | It is |
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| 21:00.50 | mmnicolas | unless you're using unstable and still you expect it to be stable |
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| 21:01.19 | drworm | No no, I just didn't know what was the point of using dist-upgrade over just plain ol' upgrade. |
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| 21:02.00 | mmnicolas | plain upgrade is like safe-upgrade with aptitude |
| 21:02.17 | mmnicolas | dist-uprade also upgrades your kernel and stuff |
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| 21:02.44 | drworm | Hmm. Sounds different from what the man page says, but ok. |
| 21:02.57 | mmnicolas | really? |
| 21:03.02 | mmnicolas | what does it say |
| 21:03.07 | drworm | One moment. |
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| 21:04.09 | mmnicolas | yea i read it |
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| 21:04.17 | mmnicolas | its what i said plus some more details |
| 21:04.26 | drworm | Sort of. |
| 21:04.43 | drworm | In any case, I get it now, so we're good :)\ |
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| 21:25.12 | Gentoochild | hi there. Iâm confused right now by pure-ftpd: where do I store my custom options? for instance I want to change the -k parameter |
| 21:25.28 | Gentoochild | on Gentoo this was easy, all was in /etc/conf.d/pure-ftpd |
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| 21:25.48 | Gentoochild | but on debian, there is a hierarchy in /etc/pure-ftpd/, plus a file /etc/default/pure-ftpd |
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| 21:30.49 | googlah | Hi guys. After a recent apt-get upgrade my web server is running slow (apache2). It is a high load server, and now the system load is 10-12, before it was only 2-4. I use XCache along with apache2. can it be needed to be recompiled, when apache2 was updated? compilation is needed for any package upgrade? |
| 21:31.43 | OpenTokix | googlah: maybe your apache2.conf changed? |
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| 21:31.54 | googlah | don't see any other solution.. or explanation, why my system load just raised |
| 21:32.25 | googlah | OpenTokix: I looked at it, looks the same |
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| 21:32.57 | googlah | I always thought package upgrade were good.. but apparently not. lol |
| 21:33.33 | OpenTokix | googlah: Did you try to reboot? |
| 21:34.01 | googlah | Yes, this is after reboot |
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| 21:34.42 | googlah | XCache is remains untouched. maybe it didn't "follow" the apache2 upgrade (?) |
| 21:34.52 | _strog | i have a board with 2 nics |
| 21:34.58 | _strog | one wlan and one lan |
| 21:35.08 | _strog | both of them have static addresses |
| 21:35.36 | _strog | and my problem is that i cannot get into my wlan that is secured by a wpa2 encryption |
| 21:36.15 | _strog | i have the latest debian os and configured the network interfaces correctly |
| 21:36.18 | OpenTokix | googlah: I think something in your configuration changed. - I have never experienced the problems you are and I also use package apache with highvolume webservers |
| 21:36.51 | _strog | the funny thing is when i ping the ip of then wlan card when the lan cable is pluged in, it works |
| 21:37.02 | moldovean | googlah, lenny machine ? |
| 21:37.22 | _strog | when i unplug the lan cable the wlan ip becomes unreachable |
| 21:37.47 | googlah | OpenTokix: are you using xcache as well? |
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| 21:38.27 | googlah | moldovean: Yes, it's lenny.. if i remember it right |
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| 21:38.51 | qotsa | I got a new vserver with Debian Lenny preinstalled but unfortunately in German. I want it English. I already did dpkg-reconfigure locales and changed the varialbes in /etc/environment and rebooted, but still when I do 'locale' everything is set to de_DE@euro. |
| 21:38.57 | googlah | Possible to reverse a package upgrade? |
| 21:39.04 | googlah | out of the blue |
| 21:39.15 | wad | mdadm sent me an email, reporting that sdd1 failed. How do I tell which of the 4 drives in the raid is sdd? |
| 21:39.30 | OpenTokix | googlah: no, we dont use php |
| 21:39.32 | wad | ... so I can replace it? |
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| 21:40.20 | OpenTokix | googlah: Looks like it is caching the bytecode? Maybe your php-version changed and you need to clear the cache or something? |
| 21:40.35 | wad | I suppose I could down the RAID, choose one at random, up the RAID, and see if that was it... repeat until I find it. |
| 21:40.36 | frostschutz | wad: hdparm -i andor smartctl gives you serial numbers for the disks |
| 21:41.00 | frostschutz | wad: alternatively check your board manual for the numbers of the sata ports, and check which is connected where... the order should be the same |
| 21:41.01 | wad | frostschutz, ah, and those serial numbers are found on the exterior of the drive? |
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| 21:41.03 | googlah | qotsa: Did you set the default system locale to en_US? |
| 21:41.15 | wad | okay, that sounds good. Thanks frostschutz! |
| 21:41.16 | frostschutz | wad: there's a sticker on each drive with the serial on it... |
| 21:41.47 | qotsa | googlah: I set it to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 21:41.53 | qotsa | with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:41.55 | _strog | does anyone can tell me what is possibly wrong with my system? |
| 21:41.59 | googlah | OpenTokix: Maybe. How can check it? you are using plain html or what? :) |
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| 21:42.28 | OpenTokix | googlah: We are using inhouse made module in c |
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| 21:42.32 | xoz | qotsa: purge the locales package and reinstall |
| 21:42.40 | OpenTokix | googlah: _very_ high volume |
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| 21:43.13 | OpenTokix | googlah: I dont know how you check it, since I am not using xchange. - But I assume the docs probably say how you like "remake" or "rebuild" the bytecode-stuff |
| 21:43.17 | joltcan | OpenTokix: 0x2a gets really high volumes! |
| 21:43.19 | OpenTokix | googlah: I am guessing alot here |
| 21:43.22 | OpenTokix | joltcan: yes =) |
| 21:44.24 | googlah | OpenTokix: Oh.. mainly using php here. yeah, I think I'll try to recompile the whole thing.. so it goes after the new php version and such. |
| 21:45.09 | OpenTokix | googlah: sounds like a plan, tell me if it works |
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| 21:52.27 | googlah | OpenTokix: Didn't seem to work. why did i even do an apt-get upgrade.. just messes up things. was for security i guess.. |
| 21:53.32 | qotsa | xoz: now at least the terminal output is english, still when I do 'locale' I get de_DE@euro everywhere. Really weird... |
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| 21:54.31 | dirigeant | hi all |
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| 21:54.40 | googlah | qotsa: have you tried to unmark all the de_DE in dpkg-reconfigure? try it |
| 21:54.57 | qotsa | googlah: yeah, I did this. |
| 21:55.00 | xoz | qotsa: .bashrc has no env definitions of your locale? |
| 21:55.06 | googlah | qotsa: only check en_US. |
| 21:55.15 | dirigeant | why debian.org/security page is not synced with debian-security-announce maillist? is it normal |
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| 21:55.51 | zuhat | d |
| 21:56.16 | themill | dirigeant: it's probably waiting for the next website rebuild in a few hours to be synced up. |
| 21:56.27 | xoz | qotsa: check /etc/locale.gen |
| 21:56.48 | xoz | qotsa: and /etc/default/locale |
| 21:57.10 | dirigeant | themill: date of last dsa is 27 july at website |
| 21:57.13 | xoz | qotsa: what debian? stable? |
| 21:57.21 | dirigeant | is website rebuilded weekly? |
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| 21:57.42 | qotsa | xoz: it's stable. |
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| 21:58.03 | themill | dirigeant: hmm... that's more out of date than usual, yes. |
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| 21:59.00 | xoz | qotsa: reading the info in /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.* show that only /etc/default/locale and /etc/locale.gen are the files that should contain the configs |
| 21:59.35 | dirigeant | is there any tool which sends alert about security updates for systems. if not, i will write a simple tools for this. |
| 21:59.48 | dirigeant | i can take all dsas |
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| 22:00.02 | dirigeant | but i dont want to check all machines about this vulns. |
| 22:00.07 | xoz | qotsa: update-locale is the root program to force changes of locale based on the postinst scripts |
| 22:00.08 | qotsa | xoz: /etc/default/locale was the problem. thanks for your help. I still don't understand why this is spread over multiple config files and why dpkg-reconfigure doesn't change it reliably. |
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| 22:00.24 | themill | dirigeant: umm... there are several. debsecan, cron-apt, subscribing yourself to the d-s-a mailing list. |
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| 22:01.11 | xoz | qotsa: you can read the postinst script.... i think one of the install script in the package has a problem... change you debian server where in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:01.50 | xoz | qotsa: im just thinking randomly.... |
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| 22:02.13 | dirigeant | themill: thx. debsecan looks good. |
| 22:02.33 | qotsa | xoz: so the 'right' way to change the global is first do dpkg-reconfigure locales and then update-locale, right? |
| 22:02.51 | themill | dirigeant: you probably really just want cron-apt, actually. You can set it so that it sends you an email when there's a package to upgrade. |
| 22:02.55 | xoz | qotsa: no, update-locale is called by dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:03.09 | xoz | qotsa: unless there is problem in the dpkg-reconfigure script. |
| 22:04.15 | xoz | qotsa: you can read the script in /var/lib/dpkg/locales.postinst |
| 22:04.57 | qotsa | xoz: I don't have it on my system. |
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| 22:05.24 | xoz | qotsa: what you don't have? the file? |
| 22:05.34 | qotsa | xoz: yes, the file. |
| 22:05.50 | xoz | qotsa: sorry, /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.postinst |
| 22:06.23 | dirigeant | themill: yes. i want emails about updates. i'll check these. thx for your help |
| 22:06.38 | xoz | qotsa: last part checks if dpkg-reconfigure env is enabled and calls the update-locale if it is... |
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| 22:07.43 | xoz | qotsa: beginning part shows the two main files: /etc/locale.gen and /etc/default/locale |
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| 22:13.01 | OpenTokix | googlah: Keeping boxes upgraded is a good thing(tm) if you get problems, solve them. - Keeping old crap around, will give you even bigger problems later down the road. |
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| 22:16.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone |
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| 22:19.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | basically I need to run a backup on my debian server but I don't want to just backup the data I want a full system backup, so in the event that the system goes down I don't have to load debian back in to get access to my backups I can just boot a live disc and restore |
| 22:19.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | can backula do that? or something else?\ |
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| 22:20.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | I would use Acronis Backup And Recovery 10 Server For Linux but thats not free... anything like that? |
| 22:20.41 | petemc | partimage |
| 22:20.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | does it have a gui? |
| 22:21.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | petemc: does it allow you to boot up from a live disc so to speak? |
| 22:21.26 | petemc | you can use clonezilla |
| 22:21.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | can it do a live clone? |
| 22:22.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | petemc: ? |
| 22:22.40 | petemc | feel free to read up on it yourself |
| 22:23.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | petemc: I'm looking |
| 22:23.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | petemc: live clone meaning while the system is running... |
| 22:24.05 | petemc | yeah, im not sure it can do that |
| 22:25.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | petemc: the reason I would use Acronis Backup And Recovery 10 Server For Linux is because it can schedual backups, and it can do live clones, and you have a boot disk to access the images you backup to and restore, and it can do incrimental backups too |
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| 22:25.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | so you see |
| 22:25.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | need something like that |
| 22:26.00 | petemc | yes, ive used acronis |
| 22:26.17 | petemc | im not aware of anything exactly like that, thats not to say such a thing doesnt exist |
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| 22:26.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | well I'm asking since I can't afford $853 for that program |
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| 22:27.11 | petemc | then perhaps you'll have to make so with some of the less featured alternatives |
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| 22:27.20 | petemc | s/so/do/ |
| 22:27.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | petemc: well maybe, we will see what I come up with |
| 22:27.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | thanks for the help so far petemc |
| 22:27.57 | petemc | i use dirvish myself, which takes a complete back up, but not an image as such |
| 22:28.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok |
| 22:28.28 | petemc | and its also not actively developed, backuppc is popular |
| 22:28.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | I'll look at that one |
| 22:29.15 | Alystair | is there a unix command to find out the bandwidth usage or some other network statistics per process? |
| 22:29.46 | petemc | jnettop shows the bandwidth of individual connections |
| 22:29.52 | petemc | iptraf too |
| 22:29.56 | OpenTokix | Alystair: I am not sure if iptraf can do that |
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| 22:31.54 | Gabtendo | I have Debian running off of a thumb drive on my mom's laptop and it's not recognizing any networks, I'm assuming it hasn't recognized the laptops network card, any idea how to make it do so? |
| 22:32.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | petemc: I think backuppc might be the one I'll use |
| 22:32.47 | Alystair | jnettop is command line correct? |
| 22:34.31 | Gabtendo | anybody know |
| 22:35.13 | Alystair | WOW JNETTOP IS AWESOME |
| 22:35.24 | Alystair | gives petemc a vbeer |
| 22:35.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gabtendo: what is the chipset? |
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| 22:35.45 | Gabtendo | not sure |
| 22:35.49 | Gabtendo | I figured it wouldn't really matter |
| 22:35.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | it does |
| 22:36.01 | Gabtendo | I just want the general approach for finding and getting whatever I need for whatever chipset |
| 22:36.11 | Gabtendo | I don't want you to just give me the files for a chipset |
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| 22:37.40 | Gabtendo | but this particular one is BCM4312 |
| 22:37.43 | Gabtendo | Broadcom |
| 22:37.54 | Gabtendo | b/g |
| 22:38.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | rquires proprietary firmware |
| 22:38.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | probably the cause |
| 22:38.28 | Gabtendo | how would I go about getting that? |
| 22:38.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | you'lll need a new (post .30 iirc) linux, or the firmware migth be in non-free |
| 22:38.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | !broadcom |
| 22:38.42 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 22:38.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | I dunno I can't get it working |
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| 22:41.33 | Gabtendo | I'm running lenny? |
| 22:42.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gabtendo: i suggest you /msg dpkg b43 |
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| 22:42.13 | dam85 | hello!!! |
| 22:42.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm heading to work, so good luck with it :) |
| 22:42.27 | Gabtendo | it's not really a big deal |
| 22:42.36 | Gabtendo | I'm only using this laptop for testing out wireless in the first place |
| 22:43.01 | dam85 | i have a problem with ntpupdate |
| 22:43.05 | dam85 | 2 Aug 00:42:43 ntpdate[2226]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
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| 22:43.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | dam85: you running ntpd? stop it before trying manually |
| 22:43.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | -> gone |
| 22:43.31 | dam85 | i tried to stop ntp daemon.... and then use ntpupdate...it works good! |
| 22:43.32 | Gabtendo | wait |
| 22:43.32 | dam85 | yes right |
| 22:43.35 | dam85 | i stopped it |
| 22:43.42 | Gabtendo | Kamping_Kaiser: should *most* wireless cards already be supported? |
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| 22:43.48 | dam85 | but, when i reboot the system i have to remember to stop it another time |
| 22:43.52 | Alystair | petemc: any other cool tools that you toy with? |
| 22:43.58 | dam85 | how can i stop it always? |
| 22:44.08 | dam85 | because i want to save ntpupdate comman in a crontab |
| 22:44.18 | dam85 | to update the time each day |
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| 22:44.23 | dam85 | *every day |
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| 22:45.37 | dam85 | possible? |
| 22:45.55 | petekaz | I've scewed up my squeeze system somehow ... all sorts of programs have been segfaulting lately. |
| 22:46.05 | petekaz | What could cause this? |
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| 22:46.19 | petekaz | I typically just use aptitude update and upgrade on a regular basis. |
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| 22:46.36 | themill | dam85: ntp should do this for you automatically -- there's no need for ntpdate at all. |
| 22:46.52 | dam85 | hmmm really? |
| 22:46.53 | dam85 | ops :D |
| 22:47.29 | dam85 | 2 Aug 00:42:43 ntpdate[2226]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting <---- means the seraver is checking for the update? |
| 22:48.40 | themill | more or less, yes. It means that ntp is active, and unless the time is a long way out, it will bring it back into line for you |
| 22:49.49 | dam85 | ok |
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| 22:50.09 | dam85 | so i will not use ntpupdate manually |
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| 22:59.47 | dam85 | hey i have to serach a word.....could i see with pachakge i have installed with that word? |
| 22:59.51 | dam85 | (aptitude) |
| 23:00.06 | zuhat | is back. next time, don't wait for me :) |
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| 23:09.01 | aztek[tum] | so i forgot to add a new raid to mdadm.conf and now on boot it won't start, naturally. anyone know how i'd fix this? |
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| 23:37.21 | nickaugust | hey when I pipe info to a program like ./test | paste.sh or ./test > tempfile it doesnt get any errors.. is there anyway to pipe or redirect and include all errors to? |
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