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| 00:11.31 | Bushmills | tharkun: curl http://scarydevilmonastery.net/myip.cgi |
| 00:11.51 | Bushmills | REMOTE_ADDR is probably what you're interested in |
| 00:12.58 | Lovecraft | ifdata would be a good way. |
| 00:13.05 | Lovecraft | In moreutils |
| 00:13.50 | Bushmills | (that assumes that public ip address is of a nic of the same machine, not a router or such |
| 00:13.53 | Bushmills | ) |
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| 00:22.34 | chelz | i have question about apt-pinning and here's an apt-cache policy output, my apt sources.list and preferences: <http://paste.debian.net/82005/>. "$ man apt_preferences" says "· If two or more versions have the same priority, install the most recent one (that is, the one with the higher version number)." why isn't cherokee or cherokee-doc taking preference? |
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| 00:26.53 | chelz | er wait |
| 00:27.31 | chelz | just ran aptitude -s and got some info about dependencies for cherokee that can't be satisfied with my current pinning. that might be the issue |
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| 00:29.35 | chelz | anyone know if sshing into a machine requires libssl0.9.8? |
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| 00:33.28 | sweetpi | chelz: openssh-client depends on it, if thats what your asking. however ldd /usr/bin/ssh | grep ssl shows no results |
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| 00:34.29 | chelz | aha, thank you sweetpi |
| 00:34.35 | chelz | ldd /usr/sbin/sshd | grep ssl also shows no results |
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| 00:46.58 | simonrvn | try looking for tls or gnutls ... |
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| 01:08.03 | progre55 | hi guys. I want to add a script in /etc/init.d/ to startup, but only after networking is up. so how do I update-rc.d it? |
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| 01:15.09 | sweetpi | progre55: man update-rc.d, the section on installing links |
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| 01:17.04 | progre55 | sweetpi: thanks |
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| 01:18.05 | progre55 | and also, I'm starting a deamon using "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $SCRIPT_PID --startas $DAEMON -- $DAEMON_OPTS" |
| 01:18.19 | progre55 | but it doesnt record the pid in the specified file |
| 01:18.26 | progre55 | so the stop script doesnt work |
| 01:18.29 | progre55 | any suggestions, please? |
| 01:19.23 | progre55 | and I try to stop it by "start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --pidfile $SCRIPT_PID" |
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| 01:19.58 | chelz | if anyone wants to list the dependent packages of a package, "apt-cache depends <package>" does it |
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| 01:25.01 | johntramp | hi. what is the correct way to install packages in debian which aren't in the repositories? |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | depends what that package is |
| 01:25.49 | chelz | checkinstall can be used with "make && make install" style stuff |
| 01:26.20 | johntramp | but that wouldn't be managed by apt |
| 01:26.31 | chelz | checkinstall registers it with apt |
| 01:26.36 | chelz | kinda what it does |
| 01:26.36 | johntramp | ah ok |
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| 01:27.06 | chelz | "dpkg -i package.deb otherpackage.deb" or "cd debs/; dpkg -i *.deb" will install a package |
| 01:27.47 | johntramp | i see |
| 01:28.04 | chelz | yeah when you use checkinstall make sure to supply *accurate* metadata. so if/when you update debian later, debian knows the correct version(s) for what you have |
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| 01:34.05 | macrobat | johntramp: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
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| 01:34.47 | johntramp | thanks macrobat |
| 01:35.00 | macrobat | have fun |
| 01:36.14 | tharkun | Bushmills: thx not what i was looking for but it will have todo for the moment |
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| 01:40.06 | Tekk_ | I'm having a problem with gparted, I can't seem to resize an xfs file system using gparted live |
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| 01:40.22 | Tekk_ | and since it's debian based I figured this would be the best place to ask(there's no #gparted) |
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| 01:41.29 | tharkun | !xfs |
| 01:41.29 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support. Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since kernel 2.6.17 (http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/). Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. Unable to be shrunk. Broken on ARM (BTS #423562). http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ #xfs on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:44.52 | drazak | is there a package that cntains most of the wireless networking tools? |
| 01:45.44 | tharkun | wireless-tools |
| 01:46.01 | drazak | tharkun: does that perchance include wicd? |
| 01:47.05 | tharkun | drazak: not that i am aware off |
| 01:47.27 | sweetpi | Can someone please tell me how to remap my right shift(or some other) key to "n"? my laptop "n" key is messed up |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | you could just install wicd ? |
| 01:47.31 | progre55 | anyone? I'm starting a deamon using "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $SCRIPT_PID --startas $DAEMON -- $DAEMON_OPTS", but it doesnt record the pid in the specified file, so the "stop" option doesnt work. Any suggestions, please? |
| 01:47.33 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:47.33 | dpkg | Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X. |
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| 01:48.45 | sweetpi | abrotman: I read that, but it sounded like I couldnt make a capital n if I did it |
| 01:49.05 | sweetpi | I guess that doesnt make sense |
| 01:49.31 | drazak | abrotman: I don't see wicd in packages, I searched for it :) |
| 01:49.48 | sweetpi | ok thanks, going to try |
| 01:50.53 | abrotman | what'd i do ? |
| 01:50.57 | abrotman | wicd isn't in lenny IIRC |
| 01:51.02 | abrotman | judd: versions wicd |
| 01:51.03 | judd | wicd -- lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.7.0+ds1-5; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5 |
| 01:51.29 | tharkun | drazak: {{ |
| 01:51.45 | drazak | ah |
| 01:51.59 | drazak | I'll have to add backports :) |
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| 02:07.32 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 02:36.22 | Darkclaw66 | anyone upgraded to the latest version of tinyproxy? it seems like it only listens on tcp6 and not tcp4. Anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 05:06.38 | Lovecraft | hey all |
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| 05:32.34 | dalias | can anyone recommend a good program in debian that can load songs onto an ipod? |
| 05:32.56 | dalias | (i hate the stupid things you can't just copy files to, but some of my friends have them and ask for songs) |
| 05:34.57 | macrobat | gtkpod, i dont know if it's good. aptitude search ipod? |
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| 05:36.18 | dalias | thats what i did |
| 05:36.25 | dalias | but i have no idea which ones are good and which ones suck |
| 05:36.35 | dalias | and i'm on 2g gprs line |
| 05:36.40 | dalias | :) |
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| 05:56.52 | simonrvn | dalias: rockbox |
| 05:57.01 | simonrvn | dalias: at rockbox.org |
| 05:59.19 | dalias | no deb? |
| 06:00.28 | simonrvn | for an ipod? |
| 06:00.39 | simonrvn | this is dap-side s/w |
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| 06:04.21 | simonrvn | dalias: it's looking at the problems from the other end |
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| 06:18.49 | metrix | I want to install debian with a small gui interface and then strip down everything I can to make the install fit in 256 meg. Has someone already gone down this path, or is there a howto on doing something like this? |
| 06:19.41 | metrix | I basically want a very small linux OS for PXE booting without an NFS root mount. |
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| 06:20.17 | jpinx-eeepc | metrix: did you consider a live image? |
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| 06:20.56 | metrix | The devices will not have CDROM, USB or storage of any sort |
| 06:21.36 | jpinx-eeepc | metrix: iirc there is a method of putting a live image onto a system, but you will need to research |
| 06:22.02 | jpinx-eeepc | I have a live image with lxde on a 256Mbs SD card |
| 06:22.19 | metrix | hmmm.. |
| 06:22.23 | metrix | I will look into that |
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| 06:23.40 | jpinx-eeepc | metrix: it uses the squashfs to get the size down, so once it is there it can not be easily changed |
| 06:24.58 | rozie | metrix: you can use livehelper to generate the image. lenny live with kde and some additional rescue stuff is about 350 MB |
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| 06:25.26 | metrix | cool |
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| 06:28.18 | metrix | Next question: has anyone seen an initramfs that is 256 meg? Googling doesn't show that it's impossible but I don't see anything over 15 meg |
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| 06:29.21 | metrix | What I would like to do is create a PXE boot with an initramfs that stores everything instead of loading root from a hard drive or NFS mount |
| 06:30.25 | SplashScreen | where is software that comes in a tar-ball usually put ? /usr/src ? where do the binaries usually go to ? /usr/local/[software] ? |
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| 06:33.03 | nevyn | I usually keep source in my home directory. |
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| 06:33.46 | SplashScreen | isn't this problem covered by something like the file system standard ? |
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| 06:50.24 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:50.24 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 06:50.31 | liable | :) |
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| 06:55.44 | sed` | my apt is stuck with a badly named package. dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 22716 package 'mucommander': error in Version string `0_8_4_20091025': invalid character in version number |
| 06:56.06 | sed` | how can I fix it? i wouldn't mind getting rid of the package although purge doesn't work either at the moment. |
| 06:57.13 | b- | have u tried update/upgrade and clean or check? |
| 06:58.05 | sed` | b-: thanks. aptitude clean & update after removing the evil repository helped |
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| 06:58.18 | b- | no prob dude |
| 06:58.19 | simonrvn | i know the problem. it's a sid problem. you need to install the latest dpkg and friends. |
| 06:58.46 | simonrvn | though if that helped, then it it's not ;). |
| 06:59.10 | sed` | but yeah i'm on sid |
| 06:59.24 | sed` | with some packages from testing |
| 06:59.39 | sed` | dpkg is from sid too though |
| 06:59.40 | dpkg | sed`: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 07:01.29 | simonrvn | though even without the updated packges, i managed to get around it by rm'ing /var/cache/apt/available and installing those .debs manually. |
| 07:01.59 | b- | simonrvn: u can clean that w/ command ;> |
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| 07:02.33 | simonrvn | not that file, no. |
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| 07:03.14 | simonrvn | the 'clean' just rm's the .debs from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:03.28 | simonrvn | (and partial/) |
| 07:04.13 | b- | yea, u are r8 |
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| 07:04.40 | simonrvn | 'right' |
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| 07:05.27 | b- | n? dont cry lady ;> |
| 07:05.58 | simonrvn | cry? lady? |
| 07:06.12 | b- | + |
| 07:07.23 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 07:22.04 | razvand | Hi! How do I make an xset configuration persistent on Debian? For example for disabling the bell (xset b off). |
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| 07:26.07 | brammator | (some file belong to user3.group2, of course) |
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| 07:34.23 | jmedwards | We're running a LAMP stack with Debian. When we first start up, everything is snappy - Apache delivers HTML files, PHP (etc) quickly, until about 1 min of use - after which things grind to a halt. Server load is negligble, and it never recovers. Any pointers on where to start debugging this? |
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| 07:34.53 | ngomes | what branch ? |
| 07:34.58 | simonrvn | i/o bound? |
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| 07:35.15 | jmedwards | ngomes; lenny |
| 07:35.46 | ngomes | random pages ? or u trying always the same |
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| 07:36.13 | jmedwards | ngomes; every page |
| 07:36.18 | jmedwards | we're trying multiple |
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| 07:36.43 | ngomes | u checked logs ? |
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| 08:05.43 | amanita_ | Hi, do you know any fractal flame renderer under Debian? |
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| 08:07.12 | reisio | amanita_: ? |
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| 08:07.23 | amanita_ | reisio: hm? |
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| 08:08.03 | reisio | you want fractals? |
| 08:08.19 | amanita_ | reisio: yes a special type: fractal flames |
| 08:08.45 | amanita_ | http://theinnerdoor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/20031208-flame-fractal.jpg |
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| 08:09.44 | reisio | fractals that are curved about in 3d space? |
| 08:09.50 | noahir | Anyone have link for security guide for debian ? |
| 08:09.58 | sed` | amanita_: 3 listed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal_flame#See_also |
| 08:09.59 | amanita_ | reisio: yeah kinda. |
| 08:09.59 | noahir | yesterday iv got rooted lol |
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| 08:11.31 | amanita_ | uh-oh, GiMP can do eet. |
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| 08:13.16 | amanita_ | reisio: I was about to write one with glade in pygtk, with a gimp like layout. |
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| 08:13.45 | reisio | amanita_: :) |
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| 08:16.09 | amanita_ | reisio: basically write a gui for a console app, so the gui pass the parameters to the renderer. Shouldn't be too hard |
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| 08:16.44 | reisio | yeah, that's what GUI means (if one is sane, anyways) |
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| 08:17.07 | reisio | Pythonnnn |
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| 08:21.57 | tzafrir | nohar, basic answer: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing |
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| 08:22.53 | tzafrir | nohar, hmm... from 2001 . Probably not that much up-to-date |
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| 08:23.54 | tzafrir | Sorry. 2007 |
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| 08:50.29 | amanita_ | .info opencubicplayer |
| 08:50.39 | efaistos | does dhclient remove some routes when you start it and cancel it instantly ? because I did it on the wrong terminal :( |
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| 08:53.11 | simonrvn | it'll set the default gateway if set in the server conf |
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| 08:57.22 | efaistos | simonrvn: just checked the dhclient.conf and everything is commented ... so i guess it shouldnt do anything wrong .. |
| 08:57.52 | simonrvn | don't count on it. and i said "server conf". |
| 09:01.04 | efaistos | simonrvn: heheh have to check other things then :( |
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| 09:01.15 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 09:04.50 | efaistos | simonrvn: any idea what i could check ? |
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| 09:05.21 | simonrvn | start with the routing table and resolv.conf |
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| 09:08.50 | michalxo | !help > michalxo |
| 09:10.00 | michalxo | !apt |
| 09:10.01 | dpkg | [APT] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 09:10.09 | michalxo | what am I doing wrong? |
| 09:10.47 | bkraptor | ,versions iceweasel |
| 09:10.48 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; sid: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 09:11.20 | michalxo | megalags, sry! |
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| 09:17.19 | tellurian | I'm looking for debian drivers for a Broadcom BCM57780 ethernet card on a packard bell laptop. doesn't seem to be in the list available during install - recommendations anyone ? |
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| 09:18.33 | syn4pse | take a look if you can download them from the manufactures homepage |
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| 09:21.39 | tellurian | then manually install drivers and config for card ? ok :) thanks |
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| 09:22.55 | syn4pse | yes |
| 09:22.57 | jelly | tellurian: it'll be either tg3 or bnx2. If it's a new chip you might need a newer kernel. |
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| 09:23.31 | jelly | tellurian: paste the lspci -nn line for your ethernet card, please |
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| 09:26.02 | tellurian | jelly: 03:00.0 ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:1692] (rev 01) |
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| 09:26.39 | jelly | ,pciid 14e4:1692 |
| 09:26.40 | judd | [14e4:1692] is 'NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1692 |
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| 09:27.13 | tellurian | hehehe ... back to Sid again am I ? :P |
| 09:27.51 | simonrvn | 5naw, just geta recent kernel |
| 09:27.52 | jelly | tellurian: no, you merely need a newer kernel. You could get a kernel for lenny from backports.org, or you could use an installer from |
| 09:27.55 | jelly | !kmuto |
| 09:27.55 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 09:28.04 | simonrvn | ,kernels |
| 09:28.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 09:29.42 | tellurian | thanks all, that should be enough to get me up and running :) |
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| 09:41.23 | michalxo | guys, any idea of apt-get substitution for aptitude show? |
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| 09:41.52 | petemc | apt-cache show |
| 09:42.13 | michalxo | thanks :L-) just found out of -cache ;-) |
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| 09:52.01 | solar_sea | how do I install a single package from squeeze, without actually dist-upgrading to it ? |
| 09:52.41 | jelly | solar_sea: quick answer: don't; backport it instead. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 09:53.07 | jelly | solar_sea: it might already be backported: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 09:53.53 | solar_sea | I see, thanks |
| 09:54.20 | i5513 | Hi, |
| 09:54.30 | solar_sea | alright, I'm using backports and it's not there, so I'll try to compile it |
| 09:54.45 | i5513 | I have a directory which takes 53 M, but it doesn't have any file |
| 09:54.47 | i5513 | http://paste.debian.net/82030/ |
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| 09:55.48 | i5513 | It should be reported like a bug ? or is normal, after a full filesystem recover task ? |
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| 09:56.06 | themill | solar_sea: which package, btw? |
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| 09:59.04 | themill | i5513: that's pretty typical of most filesystems. I don't know any that solve that problem, in fact. The only want to make the directory smaller again is to delete it and then recreate it (setting ownership and permissions correctly, of course) |
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| 10:00.18 | i5513 | themill: yes, it is exactly how I will solve this problem (and adding a crontab to ensure no full filesystem again) |
| 10:00.29 | i5513 | Thank you |
| 10:00.57 | i5513 | themill: I was asking to know if it was a known issue, I see that yes, it was |
| 10:01.03 | themill | i5513: doing this via cron sounds pretty extreme. If you're that short on space, it sounds like you need to look for other ways of freeing up some disk space. |
| 10:01.30 | i5513 | themill: it is redmine sessions, redmine doesn't keep sessions clean :) |
| 10:01.47 | i5513 | themill: and I can't upgrade or use debian package for now |
| 10:02.07 | i5513 | themill: thank you for your tip and your knowlodge |
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| 10:02.44 | themill | no worries. Good luck with it |
| 10:03.23 | i5513 | bye, debian rocks! |
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| 10:09.35 | tellurian | hehe this could take a while, without networking I am having to DL a whole bunch of Debian installation ISO's onto another machine to get the necessary packages for installing a newer kernel. |
| 10:09.35 | solar_sea | themill, latest squeak-vm |
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| 10:13.05 | dalias | simonrvn, i don't think rockbox has anything to do with my question. "let me flash the firmware on your ipod first!" is not an answer to "can you give me some songs?" |
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| 10:13.30 | greenmang0 | !apt-pinning |
| 10:13.30 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 10:13.37 | themill | solar_sea: that's not going to be a "simple" backport unfortunately as the package claims to need a fairly recent version of cmake. Backporting cmake looks trivial but I'm always nervous about backporting parts of the toolchain as they can break things in new and exciting ways. I'd do all this inside a chroot or a vm so you can trivally undo your changes without worrying about hurting your host system. |
| 10:13.55 | greenmang0 | !backports |
| 10:13.55 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 10:14.13 | simonrvn | dalias: it is in a way. you're not stuck using the crappy ipod ui. :P |
| 10:14.16 | amanita_ | !xaos |
| 10:14.28 | dalias | i'm not stuck using it regardless |
| 10:14.47 | dalias | "install debian" is an answer to "i don't like windows" |
| 10:15.02 | simplechat | Hey guys, I'm setting up my own repository, how do i use it? |
| 10:15.07 | dalias | it's not an answer to "i hate the windows on my friend's computer" |
| 10:15.11 | dalias | same thing applies here |
| 10:15.26 | simplechat | ie. the repo is there and its updated, but it doesn't have a codename. how would i install sw from there? |
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| 10:18.46 | cantido | wonders why people insist on comparing everything to windows.. |
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| 10:19.08 | simonrvn | dalias: rockbox is the equivalent ;p |
| 10:19.52 | pzn | I know this can be workarounded easily by installing a local copy of ssh. can I configure debian ssh to "never use id.rsa/id.dsa for acessing other computers" (when using ssh as a client) ? |
| 10:20.52 | cantido | pzn: I'm pretty sure you can configure what auth methods/keys ssh tries.. I think you can configure those things on a per-host basis too |
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| 10:21.52 | pzn | cantido, found now "man ssh_config", it must answer to my question :_) |
| 10:22.42 | dalias | cantido, replacing your ipod's proprietary firmware with rockbox is a pretty close analogy to replacing your pc's preinstalled proprietary os with debian.. |
| 10:22.53 | cantido | docs originating from obsd are usually pretty good ;) |
| 10:23.47 | cantido | dalias: none of my machines came with a pre-installed os.. expect maybe some sun and amiga stuff I have |
| 10:23.55 | cantido | dalias: s/expect/except/ |
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| 10:25.50 | dalias | cantido, i'm glad you're happy sittingin your mom's basement with a clunky desktop pc. some of us use laptops... |
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| 10:26.01 | dalias | :-) |
| 10:26.17 | cantido | is using a Samsung laptop |
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| 10:27.08 | cantido | general purpose computer running compatiable os.. shock! |
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| 10:27.14 | dalias | i use eeepc. they used to have models with (a crappy dist of) linux preinstalled, but now all the useful ones come with windows.. |
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| 10:28.09 | cantido | Dell sell machines without windows IIRC |
| 10:29.25 | pzn | cantido, done, and working! I configure it to try "IdentityFile /does/not/exist" instead of "IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id.dsa" |
| 10:30.55 | cantido | pzn: it does seem like you can set authentication options.. PubkeyAuthentication no |
| 10:31.01 | cantido | pzn: I think that would work |
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| 10:32.38 | pzn | cantido, I didn't use this option because it says that it applies to version 2 only. and IdentityFile applies to all versions |
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| 10:33.59 | cantido | pzn: the default debian sshd config disables the v1 protocol.. I think that's openssh's default too :) |
| 10:34.13 | moldovean | cantido, from when Debian will sell machines ? /<ot> |
| 10:34.34 | cantido | moldovean: eh? |
| 10:34.57 | pzn | cantido, well, I have some old hardware (not PCs, microcontroller boards) in my network that use ssh v1. that is why I have v1 enabled |
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| 10:35.17 | cantido | pzn: ah, fair enough :) |
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| 10:45.13 | Schmidt | I am running Debian Squeeze (amd64). Now my gnome-terminal can't show special characters, but if I open an xterm, from the gnome-terminal it all works fine (i can enter äöå (swedish characters) and not get ???). I have a faint memory that this had something with gdm having some sort of problem.... any hints ? |
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| 10:47.16 | abchirk | Schmidt, have you changexd the keyboard layout for gnome? it is under System-> Prefs -> Accessibility technologies |
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| 10:49.06 | themill | Schmidt: are you using a font that doesn't have those characters? or do you have that terminal set to use the wrong encoding (latin1 vs utf-8, for example) |
| 10:49.34 | Schmidt | abchirk: I don't even have the Accessibility technologies, but äöå works everywhere else..(like in iceweasel and in gvim etc) |
| 10:49.59 | abchirk | mh strange |
| 10:50.09 | abchirk | and in gedit? |
| 10:50.20 | Schmidt | no problem there |
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| 10:50.30 | Schmidt | and gvim and terminal uses the same font |
| 10:51.42 | abchirk | then change the locale in gnome-terminal |
| 10:51.46 | cristi8 | hi, anyone has a clue if i can use package libapache2-mod-geoip with the geoip lite city database? |
| 10:51.53 | Schmidt | I ran Ubuntu (sorry for that) a couple of months ago and had a similiar problem I just can't remember exactly what I had to do |
| 10:52.39 | themill | Schmidt: are you changing locale options in your ~/.bashrc or something? |
| 10:52.55 | Schmidt | themill: I export LC_ALL and LANG in my .zshrc |
| 10:53.19 | Schmidt | (to en_GB(.UTF-8)) |
| 10:54.17 | Schmidt | aah |
| 10:54.34 | Schmidt | I don't think I have en_GB.UTF-8 generated... |
| 10:54.42 | Schmidt | ooh yes |
| 10:54.45 | Schmidt | I did have it |
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| 10:57.26 | Guest7601 | hi! can someone help me to get connection to ftp? I'm root, but having 530 Login incorrect. |
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| 10:58.19 | cantido | Guest7601: your ftpd probably doesn't allow root logins |
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| 10:58.29 | cantido | Guest7601: check it's logs/syslog |
| 10:59.03 | Guest7601 | cantido: i used ftp user |
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| 10:59.10 | Guest7601 | one mmt |
| 10:59.13 | Guest7601 | thnks |
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| 10:59.50 | Gnintendo | what packages does the laptop check on the netinst havev |
| 10:59.52 | Gnintendo | ?? |
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| 11:01.29 | lng | cantido: USER user ftp: no such user found from ::ffff:194 |
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| 11:02.25 | cantido | lng: what ftpd are you using? is it configured to use PAM? do you actually have a local user "ftp"? |
| 11:04.09 | lng | cantido: I use proftpd |
| 11:04.19 | lng | no PAM |
| 11:04.31 | lng | ftp user is present |
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| 11:05.08 | jelly | Gnintendo: /msg dpkg laptop task |
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| 11:05.29 | lng | yea, ftp user is there |
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| 11:06.02 | cantido | lng: is proftpd authenticating against a virtual user database or something similar? |
| 11:06.33 | cantido | lng: you should be able to run the daemon in the foreground or set the logging level really high to see exactly what is happening |
| 11:06.46 | lng | cantido: I don't know. it's default setup |
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| 11:07.25 | lng | cantido: how do I change log level? |
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| 11:07.52 | Gnintendo | jelly: thanks |
| 11:07.55 | cantido | lng: I'm not sure, but I think the default setup would authenticate using pam and maybe users that can ftp in have to be in a certain group.. check /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 11:11.13 | simplechat | In /etc/apt, which databases store server keys? |
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| 11:12.07 | abrotman | i think it's in /root/ |
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| 11:12.41 | joltcan | that and /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg |
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| 11:12.43 | joltcan | I guess |
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| 11:14.05 | joltcan | simplechat: man apt-key lists the places |
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| 11:15.03 | themill | only /etc/apt/trust*.gpg are actually consulted by apt when verifying Release, however. |
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| 11:16.01 | lng | cantido: the user is in ftp group |
| 11:16.03 | lng | same thing |
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| 11:17.40 | nae | if I have more than one repository specified how do I indicate which one a package should be pulled from when I apt-get intsall it? |
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| 11:18.11 | cristi8 | -t ? |
| 11:19.00 | abrotman | nae: you mean more than one that have the same version of a package? |
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| 11:22.51 | nae | abrotman: just the same package name actually. now you've mentioned it though, I'm looking for how to specify a version number |
| 11:23.23 | abrotman | aptitude install foo=1.2.3 |
| 11:23.24 | nae | abrotman: got it, ta |
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| 11:40.59 | Twinsun | Hello all, any suggestion for a shortcut/macro program |
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| 11:41.15 | RAWRjar | Hello, I deleted an entry from /etc/crom.daily/ (specifically, the "00logwatch" entry that sends a log watch file), but the next day, the entry had regenerated and was running again! How can I permanently disable or remove an entry from the cron folders? |
| 11:41.43 | Twinsun | xmacro does the job? |
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| 11:43.03 | Arrowmaster | RAWRjar: why not just remove the logwatch package? |
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| 11:43.25 | RAWRjar | Arrowmaster: I want to run logwatch at a different time. I still want logwatch to be installed. |
| 11:43.46 | RAWRjar | Arrowmaster: and of course now I'm just curious :) |
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| 11:44.25 | jordanm | RAWRjar: yesterday I recommend just editing that file, instead of deleting it |
| 11:44.48 | RAWRjar | jordanm: correct. And now I have. But that doesn't change when the entry runs. |
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| 11:45.22 | jordanm | RAWRjar: if you want to chang when it runs, you have to edit /etc/crontab, but all your .daily's will run at the new time |
| 11:45.42 | RAWRjar | jordanm: interesting. kk |
| 11:45.42 | jordanm | RAWRjar: I am really not sure why you are even messing with this... I have never needed to modify logwatch configuration |
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| 11:45.48 | Arrowmaster | did you try reading all the docs for the package? if the file got recreated then im guessing something in the package is recreating it so there might be a configuration |
| 11:46.01 | jordanm | RAWRjar: but, admins can do what they please :) |
| 11:46.22 | RAWRjar | Heh, if you can call me an "admin," ATM that's probably more flattery than truth :) |
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| 11:47.35 | RAWRjar | The two reasons are 1) I want to run stuff during downtime, currently the cron.dailys aren't, and 2) I'm wondering if logwatch's duration of "Today" means literally in the same day or last 24 hours |
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| 11:48.14 | Gnintendo | on the Debian netinst it's been retrieving the last file (816/816) for about 20 minutes now |
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| 11:48.18 | Gnintendo | is this normal? |
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| 11:48.25 | jordanm | RAWRjar: typically, it is the 24 hour period which was yesterday |
| 11:48.41 | RAWRjar | jordanm: gotcha |
| 11:48.48 | jordanm | RAWRjar: the time that it runs should not matter. eg. todays log should contain all of Aug 1st |
| 11:48.51 | Gnintendo | I chose desktop environment, laptop tools, and base system |
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| 11:50.24 | abrotman | Gnintendo: there is a debug console you can look at |
| 11:50.44 | Gnintendo | sob |
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| 11:50.57 | Gnintendo | how do I show that? |
| 11:51.14 | Gnintendo | I'm installing with the graphical environment |
| 11:51.23 | Gnintendo | debug console would be helpful |
| 11:51.49 | jordanm | I can never remember which alt+f1-5 until one is a debug console |
| 11:52.14 | Gnintendo | umm |
| 11:52.17 | Gnintendo | :| |
| 11:52.20 | abrotman | alt-f3 or f2 .. can't remember which |
| 11:52.35 | Gnintendo | :s |
| 11:52.40 | abrotman | doesn't use the Graphical installer, and doesn't use tasksel |
| 11:52.55 | Gnintendo | is one of those going to blow up my comp? |
| 11:52.59 | Gnintendo | xD |
| 11:53.02 | Gnintendo | lol |
| 11:53.03 | Arrowmaster | its f2 |
| 11:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | where does the ekiga in lenny store its configuration? |
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| 11:53.25 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: $HOME ? |
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| 11:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but where... |
| 11:53.40 | abrotman | redhat is invading! |
| 11:53.56 | Gnintendo | alt + f2 didn't do anything |
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| 11:54.02 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: ~/config/ ? .. I haven't run ekiga here |
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| 11:54.04 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-alt-f2 |
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| 11:54.43 | Gnintendo | how is this supposed to help me? |
| 11:54.49 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 11:54.56 | Gnintendo | how do I exit? |
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| 11:55.04 | Arrowmaster | alt-f1 |
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| 11:55.41 | abrotman | Gnintendo: it should tell you what it is doing ? |
| 11:55.42 | Guest40820 | nderacore, koapeiko ingles'paite hina ra'é? |
| 11:55.52 | Gnintendo | abrotman: no it doesn't |
| 11:56.01 | Gnintendo | it just opened a console |
| 11:56.04 | abrotman | what ist he last line? |
| 11:56.16 | abrotman | sounds liek the wrong one .. one of them hsould be debug output |
| 11:56.21 | Guest40820 | dpkgBot? |
| 11:56.23 | abrotman | Guest40820: english here |
| 11:56.25 | Gnintendo | it didn't say what it was doing at all |
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| 11:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | alll over the place, it seems... I want my account info, one account fails on the laptop, but not on the desktop at uni... I guess... /home/k/.evolution/addressbook/local/system/addressbook.db? |
| 11:56.54 | Gnintendo | and now it can't re-enable the frame buffer |
| 11:56.55 | Gnintendo | wtf |
| 11:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... /home/k/.gnome2/gnomemeeting? |
| 11:57.33 | jordanm | Gnintendo: which install disk are you using exactly? |
| 11:57.54 | Gnintendo | metinst CD |
| 11:57.55 | Gnintendo | OK |
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| 11:58.55 | Gnintendo | ctrl alt f4 is what it's doing |
| 11:58.56 | Gnintendo | last line is |
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| 11:59.12 | Gnintendo | init: init: starting pid 1660, tty '/dev/tty3' : '-/bin/sh'' |
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| 11:59.43 | Gnintendo | a couple lines up |
| 11:59.46 | Gnintendo | it says |
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| 12:00.29 | jordanm | Gnintendo: lenny netinst? |
| 12:01.10 | Gnintendo | debconf: cdebconf_gtk (process:1702): Gtk-DirectFB - WARNING: gdk_display_request_selection_notification Unimplemented function |
| 12:01.17 | Gnintendo | yes, lenny netinst |
| 12:01.47 | Gnintendo | and it doesn't want to re-enable the frame buffer |
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| 12:02.36 | Gnintendo | so |
| 12:02.48 | Gnintendo | (I got d/c'd) |
| 12:02.55 | Gnintendo | you know what's wrong?? |
| 12:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was peer... he reset your connection |
| 12:04.33 | Gnintendo | that's not what I'm talking about |
| 12:04.46 | Gnintendo | with my Debian install!!!! |
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| 12:06.17 | Gnintendo | nobody knows? |
| 12:07.20 | jelly | !patience |
| 12:07.20 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
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| 12:07.55 | Gnintendo | sigh |
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| 12:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I thought patience was some stupid card game |
| 12:08.40 | jelly | there's a separate channel for installer issues |
| 12:08.43 | jelly | !d-i |
| 12:08.43 | dpkg | 5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <errata>. |
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| 12:09.37 | jelly | Gnintendo: it might be more development oriented though |
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| 12:09.59 | Deeps | Hiya, I've installed a base debian system and elected to use encrypted LVM partitions, so far so good, system boots, prompts me for my passphrase, finishes loading |
| 12:10.29 | Deeps | the problem i'm facing is when performing a reboot from remote, the machine doesn't come back, because it's waiting for input at the console to unlock the root partition |
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| 12:10.53 | Deeps | is there any way to have it configure networking and bring up some remote access method, e.g. ssh, to allow me to enter the cryptkey from remote? |
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| 12:11.27 | ArtVandalae | Deeps, AFAIK, no. The OS isn't even initialised at that point |
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| 12:11.54 | thewanderer1 | Deeps: what moment of the boot do you mean? and what setup? LUKS? |
| 12:12.00 | ArtVandalae | (apart from the small part that is required, to unlock the rest of it) |
| 12:12.04 | xyan | Dewi: place dropbear in your initramfs |
| 12:12.19 | Deeps | thewanderer1: i'm not sure. i've just used a lenny installer and followed the default options in the installer |
| 12:12.24 | xyan | Deeps: http://gpl.coulmann.de/ssh_luks_unlock.html |
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| 12:12.51 | thewanderer1 | xyan, Deeps: this is wrong security-wise and should not be relied upon |
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| 12:13.21 | thewanderer1 | there are practical attacks against LUKS unlocked over SSH |
| 12:13.59 | kryptoz | how do I restart a script so that the new instance reads the replaced script with fixes ? |
| 12:14.02 | xyan | he didnt ask for sense, but for a solution |
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| 12:14.40 | thewanderer1 | kryptoz: you shut it down and start it again... |
| 12:14.55 | Deeps | xyan, thewanderer1: thanks. yep, I realise the risks, and have the machine in question behind another firewall as well that restricts ssh to specific IPs already |
| 12:15.09 | Deeps | xyan: thanks for the solution! |
| 12:15.20 | Deeps | thewanderer1: thanks for doublechecking the security! :) |
| 12:15.37 | kryptoz | i have a script that is running on a remote machine, I wanted to issue a command so that, the remote script downloads a newer version of itself, replaces the original file and restarts.. it has to do it all by self.. i was wondering if there is a standard way doing this.. |
| 12:15.43 | Gnintendo_ | I'm just trying the full CD inst |
| 12:15.55 | Deeps | I hadn't actually considerred the encryption/ssh attack vector, but with your mentioning it I realised I'm already covered :» |
| 12:17.29 | ArtVandalae | kryptoz, well it depends what you're working with. You can write a small BASH script to download the file using curl/wget. Once it's downloaded you can replace (mv) the file, and then restart the service, by using kill? and then running the service again. |
| 12:17.45 | ArtVandalae | kryptoz, this can all be done over SSH, but it really depends on what you want to do. |
| 12:17.55 | thewanderer1 | Deeps: no, it's not ssh attack vector |
| 12:18.20 | thewanderer1 | Deeps: read this http://geekscrap.com/2010/02/luks-mermaids-of-remote-unlock/ then reconsider if you really want to do what you are doing and if it makes sense... :P |
| 12:19.06 | rudi_s | Hi. I have an external disk encrypted with LUKS using a key file. I want to mount it on startup. At the moment I have the following in rc.local: crypdisks_start xxx; mount /mnt/xxx; Is this the right way to do it? Will they get unmounted correctly on shutdown? Thanks. |
| 12:19.09 | kryptoz | ArtVandalae: I wanted to avoid ssh and i thought I have the remote_script to be able to download the new version of the file from a http server, replaces itself and then it needs to restart itself.. |
| 12:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, seems not... I just checked everything in $HOME strace sees and moved .evolution... all accounts still there, one fails... weird |
| 12:20.45 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: I believe LUKS should start disks on its own, and this doesn't look like a proper way to do it |
| 12:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | it probably runs on magic or something |
| 12:21.00 | kryptoz | i trigger the update from one server.. the remote script is running in like 25 servers.. so once it gets a update command, it will download new file, replaces.. the remote script is written in python and i use os.system to issue the bash commands |
| 12:21.04 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: ekiga stores its stuff in .evolution ? |
| 12:21.10 | ArtVandalae | kryptoz, you can set up a CGI script (PHP, Python, Perl, Ruby, Shell, C, it doesn't matter :P). that can run a bash script for you (IMO, BASH + Unix tools is probably the easiest way to go. Even though you can do it in each of those languages). You might want to consider implementing some security though. Like a login page or something. |
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| 12:21.41 | kryptoz | ArtVandalae: i got it.. a bash script does the trick.. thanks for the idea!! |
| 12:21.50 | Deeps | thewanderer1: i see, good point |
| 12:21.57 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: So it should find the disks in /etc/crypttab automatically and moun them on its own? |
| 12:22.02 | rudi_s | *mount |
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| 12:22.34 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: if you put the disks in /etc/crypttab and then the proper references in /etc/fstab, it should just tick |
| 12:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, the address books, it seems... but not the account data... beats me where this is (and beats me why the gizmo account fails, I entered the correct password that works on the website and everything else looks the same) |
| 12:22.50 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Ok, thanks, will try that. |
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| 12:26.13 | Gnintendo | what all is on CD 1 of the full inst CDs? |
| 12:26.21 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 12:26.21 | dpkg | [The searchable index is unavailable as of 2010-06-07, BTS #589477] To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 12:26.25 | cristi8 | hi, i noticed that /usr/local is writable by the group "staff". now if i create a dir in /usr/local, the group of that dir is set to "staff". how can i accomplish that for other directory? (i made /var/www owned by me and set group to www-data, and i included myself in www-data. i want that newly created files/dirs in /var/www to have their group to "www-data", so i don't have to chmod every time i create something) |
| 12:26.36 | abrotman | in general, use the netinst, don't use tasksel, install stuff using aptitude after it's done |
| 12:27.02 | thewanderer1 | cristi8: man chmod |
| 12:27.12 | Gnintendo | but... |
| 12:27.15 | Gnintendo | :| |
| 12:27.15 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Perfect, works fine. Thank you again. |
| 12:27.17 | cristi8 | thewanderer1: i did.. |
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| 12:28.12 | thewanderer1 | cristi8: you basically set the SETGID bit on a directory and it should chgrp every file created in there automatically |
| 12:28.41 | Gnintendo | what all is on the first fullinst CD? |
| 12:29.03 | Gnintendo | does it have gnome? |
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| 12:29.25 | jelly | it does. |
| 12:29.29 | thewanderer1 | Gnintendo: enter the mirror, do some searching through directories. |
| 12:29.33 | jelly | !cd contents |
| 12:29.33 | dpkg | [The searchable index is unavailable as of 2010-06-07, BTS #589477] To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 12:29.43 | jelly | mah. |
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| 12:30.18 | cristi8 | thewanderer1: oh, thanks |
| 12:30.23 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 12:30.37 | abrotman | jelly: didn't we do that? :) |
| 12:30.45 | thewanderer1 | Gnintendo: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/amd64/list-cd/ -- change the parts to whatever you like... |
| 12:30.56 | Mazingaro | is there anyone using kbarcode? I need to resize generated barcodes, but I don't know how! |
| 12:31.10 | jelly | abrotman: it scrolled off! |
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| 12:31.18 | abrotman | Mazingaro: what format does it output? |
| 12:31.25 | Mazingaro | ? |
| 12:31.38 | Mazingaro | abrotman: I printed it |
| 12:31.41 | abrotman | SVG? PNG? |
| 12:31.43 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:31.55 | Mazingaro | abrotman: from kbarcode directly |
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| 12:32.15 | thewanderer1 | someone could update dpkg to point !cd contents to the list directories, they work at least |
| 12:32.49 | jelly | thewanderer1: go for it! |
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| 12:33.00 | abrotman | thewanderer1: huh ? |
| 12:33.16 | abrotman | thewanderer1: oh, those are newer i guess |
| 12:33.41 | Number5 | hello boys, how can I just simply disable iptables, I don't have the time to learn how to configure it correctly at this moment, please. |
| 12:34.09 | hebz0rl | hi im using logcheck and im wondering if the emails logcheck sends are encrypted between the email servers how can i check this and if they are unencrypted how can i change that? |
| 12:34.11 | ArtVandalae | Number5, iptables -F <--- will flush the iptables for you |
| 12:34.31 | Number5 | ArtVandalae: aaah ok, so this means it cleans all configurations right? |
| 12:34.36 | Number5 | thnx |
| 12:34.41 | ArtVandalae | Number5, yes, until next restart |
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| 12:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | he didn't say hello to all the girls :( |
| 12:37.04 | abrotman | Number5: that's not exactly what it does, and you sohuldn't use it like that |
| 12:37.36 | rudi_s | I'm trying to create an indexed image (not sure if this is the correct term, with only a specific set of images) with imagemagick. I tried just using -colors 2 (I want only two colors), -map file.png (file with those two colors), -type Palette, but all tries just generate a normal png file, not an indexed one. Creating such a file with gimp works fine, but I want to do it on the command line. Thanks. |
| 12:38.20 | Number5 | abrotman: can you please specify more your proevious post? |
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| 12:39.38 | abrotman | Number5: did you activate any iptables rules? Use 'iptables -L' to list them |
| 12:40.03 | Number5 | Yes I did that, but it was kind of empty I suppose |
| 12:40.21 | abrotman | then iptables isn't filtering your traffic |
| 12:40.34 | abrotman | so what is your actual problem? |
| 12:41.53 | Number5 | abrotman: I was also afraid of that, cause that was the first thing I did a long time ago. I use it in a protected network anyway |
| 12:42.21 | abrotman | heh .. protected ... FLW |
| 12:42.31 | abrotman | Number5: so what problem are you actually trying to solve ? |
| 12:43.18 | Number5 | abrotman: I'm still figuring it out. I need some rest, cause I can't think clearly now as I'm so damn frustrated. thnx for your help abrotman and ArtVandalae . |
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| 12:44.03 | abrotman | Number5: FWIW, -F flushes your tables .. usually this is how people make a box unreachable |
| 12:44.07 | Number5 | abrotman: I mean a network with no connection to other networks. |
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| 12:47.41 | asg | hebz0rl: they aren't encrypted by default but I believe you can have logcheck use gpg to encrypt them prior to delivery |
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| 12:48.28 | hebz0rl | asg, ok thx |
| 12:49.01 | abrotman | spies an asg! |
| 12:49.30 | hebz0rl | asg, is there no way to use server to server encryption? im currently using exim4 but now installing postfix |
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| 12:50.07 | asg | hebz0rl: you could do that using SSL/TLS. I'm not familiar with how to do it with postfix though |
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| 12:50.25 | abrotman | hebz0rl: encryption to do what? send emails or use IMAP? |
| 12:50.51 | hebz0rl | abrotman, i thought about smtps |
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| 12:51.09 | abrotman | yes, postfix can do it, not very hard either |
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| 12:52.12 | hebz0rl | abrotman, asg, thx |
| 12:52.27 | asg | hebz0rl: you're welcome |
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| 13:03.57 | Elirips | Hello. Are there tools available to extract images from pdfs? My problem is, I must work with images of hand-written documents, and the smart one who scanned everything, putted all the pictures into a pdf-file.. |
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| 13:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdfimages |
| 13:05.14 | abrotman | that's how scanning works |
| 13:05.14 | jordanm | Elirips: I believe imagemagik can convert the entire pdf into an image |
| 13:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, in poppler-utils |
| 13:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, multi-page pdfs? |
| 13:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I doubt it |
| 13:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but maybe |
| 13:05.57 | Elirips | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you, i'll try. |
| 13:06.16 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, convert can handle multipage PDFs |
| 13:06.19 | Elirips | abrotman, why do you want to put image-data in a pdf? |
| 13:06.30 | frostschutz | converting the pdf to image won't extract 1:1 images from the pdf though |
| 13:06.30 | abrotman | Elirips: are you going to OCS the documents? |
| 13:06.33 | abrotman | OCR |
| 13:06.38 | Elirips | abrotman, yes |
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| 13:06.52 | Elirips | abrotman, well, first hard step is going to test various methods of binarization |
| 13:06.59 | abrotman | Elirips: normally when people scan documents, if you don't tell them to OCR, they'll just do images |
| 13:07.16 | abrotman | Elirips: there are tools in linux that will try to OCR on a TIFF IIRC |
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| 13:08.54 | Elirips | abrotman, I dont think that they will work - its handwritten constraint text |
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| 13:09.21 | abrotman | doesn't see how OCR is going to work then ... |
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| 13:09.53 | Elirips | abrotman, well, that's the challenge :) |
| 13:10.11 | abrotman | okay .. so you want to do OCR from the original, but doing it from the PDF is bad? |
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| 13:11.11 | Elirips | abrotman, well, I have lots of scripts/programms to extract features (that can be used to train neural-networks, hmms, etc) from images. I just think they would not work if I apply them to a pdf |
| 13:11.29 | abrotman | doesn't see why not ... |
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| 13:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, \o/ |
| 13:13.03 | Elirips | abrotman, because imread and all the nice built-in matlab-commands for creating matrixes out of images, cant be applied directly to a pdf (?) |
| 13:13.31 | abrotman | Elirips: the PDF embeds the image, it is easily extracted and/or converted .. |
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| 13:16.51 | Elirips | anyway, pdfimages works great :) All the colors are inverted (black is white, white is black), but i can deal with that |
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| 13:34.22 | D4rKr0W | is anyone familiar with mail servers here? I'm having trouble setting up the firewall on mine, seems like the mails are not being received when the firewall is up - what is the standard port for the server to listen on? |
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| 13:34.49 | fireba11 | wth? |
| 13:35.05 | fireba11 | you got a mail server and don't know what ports it's using? |
| 13:35.39 | D4rKr0W | i'm setting it up and i forwarded the various ports, but seems like i missed one? |
| 13:35.54 | xyan | suggest http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt |
| 13:35.54 | guest | heh |
| 13:36.13 | jelly | D4rKr0W: egrep '^smtp\>' /etc/services |
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| 13:37.10 | D4rKr0W | damn, i thought i forced it to ssmtp :\ |
| 13:37.32 | D4rKr0W | thanks for the tip jelly |
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| 13:39.46 | guest | thinks he missed something there.... |
| 13:40.01 | guest | D4rKr0W egrep 'smtp\>' /etc/services |
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| 13:40.12 | guest | ;/ |
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| 13:41.04 | guest | /etc/services is a full list of services not only the active/running services |
| 13:41.12 | gdoteof1 | Can I not download a CD image and make it onto a USB to install debian? |
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| 13:41.20 | gdoteof1 | it seems like I can only do a netinstall over usb |
| 13:41.43 | thewanderer1 | you can |
| 13:41.51 | gdoteof1 | how? i downloaded cd1 |
| 13:41.56 | gdoteof1 | made it into a USB |
| 13:41.58 | gdoteof1 | and booted it |
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| 13:42.06 | gdoteof1 | now it forces me to 'detect and mount cd-rom' |
| 13:42.11 | D4rKr0W | don't you need a special kind of iso prepared just for that, thewanderer1? |
| 13:42.27 | gdoteof1 | the iso insists on finding itself on a cd |
| 13:42.51 | thewanderer1 | then it's a bug or a wrongly placed ISO |
| 13:43.00 | gdoteof1 | ... |
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| 13:43.07 | gdoteof1 | what is a wrongly placed iso |
| 13:43.42 | gdoteof1 | where do I find a full install iso i can burn to usb |
| 13:43.55 | D4rKr0W | gdoteof1: kenshi muto provides usb images |
| 13:43.56 | D4rKr0W | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 13:44.31 | jordanm | !usb install |
| 13:44.31 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 13:48.54 | thewanderer1 | quickie: how do I make a ramdisk (/dev/ram0-N) ? |
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| 13:51.12 | xyan | mknod /dev/ram0 b 1 0 |
| 13:51.15 | xyan | mknod /dev/ramN b 1 N |
| 13:51.20 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 13:52.45 | sed` | thewanderer1: linux/Documentation/devices.txt contains all device node numbers |
| 13:53.10 | guest | cd /dev ;MAKEDEV ram |
| 13:53.21 | thewanderer1 | yes, I was just thinking that this device would exist on my system if the proper module is loaded or so |
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| 13:57.37 | thewanderer1 | I know this might be a little off-topic, but why can I watch some YouTube movies in HTML5 while others just won't work? O.o |
| 13:58.11 | guest | false || true && yes "I don't understand the question." |
| 13:58.50 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I get "Upgrade to flash player 10" with some movies while some just load fine with their nice HTML5 icon |
| 13:59.10 | ArtVandalae | thewanderer1, not all videos are available in HTML5 |
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| 13:59.47 | thewanderer1 | er, does it depend on anything? like upload date, moon phase? |
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| 14:08.33 | thewanderer1 | how do I migrate to IPv6? how to get an address and connect? |
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| 14:27.19 | eSa| | hi, I have some problem with php/mysql on my machine. Packages installed are php5-mysql 5.3.2-1/mysql-server 5.1.48-1 but phpmyadmin reports server version 5.0. Also restartind mysql daemons always fails (i have to manually kill -9). should i try a --purge reinstall? |
| 14:27.56 | jordanm | ,versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 14:27.58 | judd | mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.47-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.48-1; sid: 5.1.49-1 |
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| 14:36.02 | FidelGastro | Hallo, hab grad debian ohne Fehlermeldung instaliert (onlineinstaller) neugestartet und bin kriege nur nen schwarzen bildschirm in dem ich mich anmelden und konsolenbefehle eingeben kann. was ist zu tun? |
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| 14:36.20 | thewanderer1 | !de |
| 14:36.21 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:36.36 | FidelGastro | oh sorry!!! |
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| 14:40.04 | thewanderer1 | !pl |
| 14:40.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 14:54.30 | hebz0rl | hi i used this lines http://www.scalix.com/wiki/index.php?title=HowTos/Complete_Postfix#configure_tls_on_postfix to configure postifx to use tls when talkin to another server but i still can sniff the text in an testmail |
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| 14:55.24 | thewanderer1 | either 1) the remote server doesn't support TLS 2) PEBKAC |
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| 14:58.19 | karlpinc | hebz0rl: You might wish to check against the instructions on postfix.org (or what's in /usr/share/doc/postfix... |
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| 14:58.44 | abrotman | or ask #postfix |
| 14:58.55 | hebz0rl | k thx |
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| 14:59.45 | pixelpusher | anyone know why gimp is so out of date the debian repositories? |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | it is? |
| 15:00.06 | abrotman | judd: versions gimp |
| 15:00.08 | judd | gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; sid: 2.6.10-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1 |
| 15:00.23 | abrotman | 2.6 is the newest? |
| 15:00.29 | thewanderer1 | pixelpusher: what do you mean? gimp.org says 2.6.10, I have 2.6.10... unless you mean stable |
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| 15:01.23 | pixelpusher | my install came with 2.4.7 by default and apt-get tells me the latest version is installed |
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| 15:01.52 | abrotman | in lenny, it is |
| 15:02.36 | pixelpusher | is there something more current than lenny/ |
| 15:02.59 | abrotman | you can use squeeze, but it has more bugs |
| 15:03.13 | abrotman | !tell pixelpusher about lenny->squeeze |
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| 15:05.48 | pixelpusher | so, do you recommend upgrading to squeeze? |
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| 15:05.56 | abrotman | that depends on you, not me :) |
| 15:06.06 | pixelpusher | is the only way im going to get gimp 2.6 by switching to squeeze? |
| 15:06.17 | thewanderer1 | pixelpusher: you can always compile it from sources :P |
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| 15:06.25 | pixelpusher | thats a good point |
| 15:06.43 | abrotman | well, he'd probably also then have to compile GTK and who konws what else |
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| 15:07.01 | xoz | what a nice suggestion :) |
| 15:07.06 | thewanderer1 | or just use the pre-built header packages, but it's always some alternative |
| 15:07.24 | SeySayux | Hi, I'm doing a netinst 5.0.4 installation, and I somehow quit or put the installer process in the background. All I get "Please press enter to activate the console", which gives me a busybox shell with no futher info. How do I get back to the curses installer? |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | SeySayux: alt-f1 |
| 15:09.29 | SeySayux | abrotman: actually, ctrl+cmd seems to switch. Rather annoying, as that is the "leave from vm" key sequence |
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| 15:09.57 | Innocentus | hey |
| 15:10.06 | Innocentus | any pros online? :) |
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| 15:10.38 | D4rKr0W | loads :D |
| 15:10.38 | SeySayux | Innocentus: just ask your question |
| 15:10.56 | Innocentus | the apache2 httpd server consumes huge amounts of memory |
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| 15:11.15 | Innocentus | at the first requests everything is normal fast - but then it becomes very very slow |
| 15:11.15 | abrotman | use fewer modules |
| 15:11.23 | Innocentus | i am using only the most basic ones |
| 15:11.26 | Innocentus | auth and php |
| 15:11.28 | Innocentus | thats it |
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| 15:11.37 | D4rKr0W | how is php configured? |
| 15:11.39 | Innocentus | I fussed a little bit around the the httpd.conf |
| 15:11.39 | netman86 | after removing a package, a module that installed with that package is still loading on boot. How can I remove the module and keep it from loading on startup? |
| 15:11.49 | abrotman | Innocentus: how much is "huge" ? |
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| 15:11.56 | Patero-ng | hello debianers |
| 15:12.00 | abrotman | netman86: purge the package? |
| 15:12.01 | Patero-ng | I have a hardware I want to install |
| 15:12.02 | Innocentus | 512 mem is fully consumed |
| 15:12.07 | abrotman | that's nothing |
| 15:12.10 | Innocentus | swp is consumed by 80% |
| 15:12.17 | Innocentus | cpu is 20% |
| 15:12.17 | Patero-ng | but drivers that came only for windows |
| 15:12.19 | netman86 | abrotman- What's the command to purge a package...? |
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| 15:12.28 | D4rKr0W | Patero-ng: ndiswrapper |
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| 15:12.43 | Patero-ng | i want to talk to someone privatly about this |
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| 15:12.51 | D4rKr0W | netman86: apt-get remove --purge |
| 15:12.52 | abrotman | please talk in the channel |
| 15:12.53 | pixelpusher | thanks guys! |
| 15:12.54 | pixelpusher | bye |
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| 15:12.57 | abrotman | netman86: dpkg -P foopkg |
| 15:12.57 | Patero-ng | I want privacy |
| 15:13.03 | Innocentus | deborphan |
| 15:13.06 | Patero-ng | from people here and possible gov agents |
| 15:13.07 | Innocentus | orphaner --purge |
| 15:13.07 | abrotman | Patero-ng: see /topic .. keep it in the cahnnel |
| 15:13.19 | netman86 | abrotman- it's just telling me that the package isn't there anymore, so it wont be removed. |
| 15:13.22 | Innocentus | here a hard command - it will clean up all unsed configuration files from the system: dpkg --list | grep '^rc\b' | awk '{ print $2 }'\ | xargs sudo dpkg -P |
| 15:13.25 | Innocentus | use it with caution |
| 15:13.29 | netman86 | Is there a way I can modify the list of modules that loads by hand? |
| 15:13.30 | Patero-ng | I don't want to post mylife public |
| 15:13.30 | D4rKr0W | netman86: install it again and then purge it :p |
| 15:13.39 | Innocentus | or use this: dpkg --list | grep '^rc\b' | awk '{ print $2 }'\ | xargs sudo dpkg -P |
| 15:13.40 | netman86 | D4rKr0W`- thats thinking backwards... |
| 15:13.42 | Innocentus | but be careful |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | Patero-ng: channel policy is to keep it in the channel, this is not your personal life, this is a computer and some hardware |
| 15:13.59 | D4rKr0W | Patero-ng: then pay an it specialist and get proper assistance := |
| 15:14.01 | D4rKr0W | :) |
| 15:14.14 | Patero-ng | u guys r inspirative |
| 15:14.19 | abrotman | netman86: which package are we talking about? |
| 15:14.25 | Innocentus | Patero-ng: what exactly you want to do? |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | !tell Patero-ng about ndiswrapper |
| 15:14.37 | Innocentus | *do you want to do |
| 15:14.45 | D4rKr0W | netman86: hey, it works, so who cares |
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| 15:15.01 | Patero-ng | what's ndiswrapper |
| 15:15.04 | themill | Innocentus: why wouldn't you just use "aptitude purge '~c'" rather than that mess? |
| 15:15.29 | abrotman | Patero-ng: the bot just told you in msg |
| 15:15.32 | Innocentus | ah yes |
| 15:15.38 | netman86 | abrotman- the package was kvm. |
| 15:15.49 | D4rKr0W | Patero-ng: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php |
| 15:15.50 | Patero-ng | u don't know what hardware I have |
| 15:15.51 | Innocentus | themill: much better - thx |
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| 15:15.59 | abrotman | netman86: and it's trying to load a module related to that? is it in /etc/modules |
| 15:16.14 | abrotman | Patero-ng: we would if you would tell us instead of trying to hide useful information and making it harder for us to help you |
| 15:16.21 | Patero-ng | what is ndsiwrapper a generic driver that autodetect my hardware |
| 15:16.36 | Patero-ng | pm me abrotman |
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| 15:16.39 | abrotman | no |
| 15:16.43 | jordanm | ,info ndiswrapper |
| 15:16.44 | Patero-ng | someone pm me |
| 15:16.45 | judd | No record of package 'ndiswrapper' in lenny/i386. |
| 15:16.53 | abrotman | Patero-ng: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:16.54 | netman86 | abrotman- nope, not in /etc/modules. And it *is* loading the module, its loading kvm and kvm_intel |
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| 15:17.00 | Patero-ng | what makes u think I need nediswrapper |
| 15:17.02 | abrotman | !tell netman86 about blacklist |
| 15:17.08 | abrotman | Patero-ng: WHAT HARDWARE IS IT? |
| 15:17.12 | abrotman | whoops |
| 15:17.20 | abrotman | ignore all the caps |
| 15:17.31 | D4rKr0W | actually, it was fine with the caps |
| 15:18.07 | Patero-ng | I'll go somehwere else |
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| 15:18.10 | Patero-ng | wher eI can keep it private |
| 15:18.14 | abrotman | okay, best of luck! |
| 15:19.06 | D4rKr0W | i'm having trouble with mod_gnutls and apache, it seems like the module is utilizing the same vhost config as the first vhost specified in the conf file for the https domains for every domain that does not have an entry in the conf file |
| 15:19.29 | abrotman | netman86: or maybe there's a kvm-common that is diong it? |
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| 15:21.05 | netman86 | not sure. I just added them to the blacklist and restarted |
| 15:21.34 | netman86 | they still loaded, though. |
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| 15:23.19 | netman86 | couldnt I just remove the module alltogether? Where would it be located? |
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| 15:24.02 | Patero-ng | I'm gonna go to my hunting place |
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| 15:24.16 | Patero-ng | and learn hoow to shoot a gun and kill elephants |
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| 15:25.49 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:26.10 | abrotman | netman86: dpkg -l "*kvm*" .. are there any packages installed ? |
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| 15:26.55 | Xat` | hi |
| 15:27.18 | netman86 | abrotman- it appears yes. Although I dont understand why. |
| 15:27.57 | netman86 | it says the name is kvm, but theres no version or description. Same for kvm-data, and kvm-source |
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| 15:28.32 | thewanderer1 | netman86: it's probably your initscripts that load the KVM modules |
| 15:28.40 | netman86 | where might I find those? |
| 15:28.48 | thewanderer1 | /etc/init.d/kvm |
| 15:28.55 | thewanderer1 | (typing from the memory) |
| 15:29.15 | netman86 | there is no kvm or anything similar in init.d :( |
| 15:29.46 | netman86 | wait, there IS a qemu-kvm in there |
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| 15:30.10 | Xat` | My debian server is router, proxy and firewall. I've a problem with iptables : http://paste.debian.net/82048/ it accept all ! |
| 15:30.10 | thewanderer1 | that would be it |
| 15:30.18 | netman86 | so do I just delete the file? |
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| 15:31.29 | netman86 | thewanderer1- if I just remove the qemu-kvm file from /etc/init.d it will stop running on startup? |
| 15:34.21 | Xat` | somebody cans look my iptables configuration please : http://paste.debian.net/82048/ With this script, it allow all ... it shouldn't |
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| 15:43.04 | randyrkelly | hello i need a little help |
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| 15:43.32 | Bushmills | a lawyer, or social security? |
| 15:44.26 | randyrkelly | neither |
| 15:44.28 | randyrkelly | lol |
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| 15:44.44 | Bushmills | Xat`: look at loaded rules, with iptables -nvL |
| 15:45.12 | randyrkelly | i just needed to know how install google chrome |
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| 15:46.25 | Bushmills | , chromium-browser |
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| 15:47.05 | Bushmills | probably not in stable |
| 15:47.09 | randyrkelly | ok |
| 15:47.16 | randyrkelly | explain |
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| 15:48.07 | Bushmills | , versions chromium-browser |
| 15:48.08 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.125~r53311-1; experimental: 6.0.466.0~r52279-1 |
| 15:48.47 | jordanm | !why is chromium-browser not in testing |
| 15:48.47 | dpkg | chromium-browser is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=chromium-browser |
| 15:48.54 | Bushmills | ehm. download a .deb file from the net, install with dpkg -i. resolve dependencies, if any. |
| 15:49.24 | jordanm | Bushmills: the depends are not testing |
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| 15:49.57 | jordanm | oh, stable... the only sane option is the proprietary google-chrome, as it is statically linked |
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| 15:55.56 | randyrkelly | ok im typing in apt-get install chromium-browser and not working |
| 15:56.04 | randyrkelly | what am i doing wrong |
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| 15:57.00 | Trashi | hi guys. i hope there are some people who can help with my little pureftpd problem. im using pure-ftpd with mysql support, so all users come from a mysql database (virtualusers) ... in pureftpd.conf i set a MYSQLDefaultUID/GID (pure,ftp) for all virtual users... root is _not_ able to login ... if i connect to ftp with a virtualuser there a three processes ... first process: pure-ftpd (SERVER) user root (my standalone pure ftpd server) ... second |
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| 15:57.58 | karlpinc | randyrkelly: You're running lenny? |
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| 15:58.53 | randyrkelly | i guess lol debian 5.0 |
| 15:59.59 | karlpinc | randyrkelly: It's not in lenny. |
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| 16:00.10 | karlpinc | , versions chromium-browser |
| 16:00.11 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.125~r53311-1; experimental: 6.0.466.0~r52279-1 |
| 16:00.17 | funky | hello |
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| 16:00.33 | karlpinc | !tell randyrkelly about why aptitude |
| 16:00.43 | funky | what should I do with this?: dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 47275 package 'virtualbox-3.0': |
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| 16:03.00 | themill | funky: (i) lart sun/oracle. (ii) remove the virtualbox repo from your sources.list. (iii) see if apt-get update is enough to solve the problem. |
| 16:03.35 | funky | (iii) i did, no luck, (ii) ok (i) no idea |
| 16:03.38 | funky | what you mean |
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| 16:04.15 | randyrkelly | mmm im new too linux but liove it on my phone |
| 16:04.27 | themill | funky: the people who made those virtualbox debs (i.e. Oracle) made ones that have an illegal version number. They need to be hit over the head repeatedly with a copy of debian policy. |
| 16:04.46 | funky | aha, ok, got it now |
| 16:05.06 | randyrkelly | karlpinc: what u saying to me buddy |
| 16:05.12 | Xat` | Bushmills : iptables don't works on my debian (as router, proxy & firewall) |
| 16:05.13 | funky | I just thought of removing the package from ../availables |
| 16:05.41 | themill | funky: that would work too, but if you still have their repo in your sources.list, the problem will come back next time you apt-get update. |
| 16:05.49 | Bushmills | Xat`: so how should your script, loading iptables rules, work, if iptables doesn't? |
| 16:06.12 | funky | themill: just removing the repo, then update && dist-upgrade didn't work either |
| 16:06.26 | Bushmills | and what is a firewall without iptables? |
| 16:06.32 | fxiny | sends themill two stones for the policy carving |
| 16:06.33 | funky | themill: i'll go for my solution and i'll keep that repo out of my sources.list |
| 16:06.51 | themill | funky: then yeah, you'll have to edit your available file. Yuck. |
| 16:07.13 | Bushmills | try installing iptables (the front end program to load rules into kernel packet filter) |
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| 16:07.58 | funky | themill: now it's working, thank you |
| 16:08.06 | funky | woops |
| 16:08.06 | themill | no worries |
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| 16:08.20 | funky | another vb broken desc |
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| 16:10.22 | funky | finally! |
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| 16:10.22 | funky | i have had to remove 3 of them |
| 16:10.23 | randyrkelly | please can someone help me install applicatios |
| 16:10.36 | abrotman | on what? |
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| 16:11.20 | pallgone | hmm, when I add "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/" to sources.list and update, then "aptitude install wine" still installs from the squeeze repo, why? |
| 16:11.29 | funky | themill: then what do I have to do if I want to keep vb up to date? do you know if they have any intention of following debian's policy? is there any other good repo for vbox packages? |
| 16:11.41 | abrotman | pallgone: did you aptitude update? |
| 16:11.48 | pallgone | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:11.55 | abrotman | pallgone: or maybe that's not the name of the package there |
| 16:11.56 | funky | if they do the same as they are doing to opensolaris, then I think i'll forget vbox soon |
| 16:12.42 | pallgone | abrotman: there's nothing else as far as I can see |
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| 16:13.11 | marcus | Is it possible to assign another hotkey than ALT-TAB? I'd like to try out with CTRL (temp) |
| 16:13.13 | randyrkelly | pallgone: i wanna install skype and chrome |
| 16:13.16 | marcus | Hopefully using GCOnf |
| 16:13.22 | abrotman | randyrkelly: on what?! |
| 16:13.40 | abrotman | those aren't in debian though, you should ask skype.com how to install it |
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| 16:14.34 | pallgone | hmm, oh there are some instructions on winehq, seems to have changed |
| 16:14.45 | leafwiz | Hi, I have an old etch server I would like to upgrade, what is the best way of doing that? just add a link to archive, and do a aptitude upgrade? |
| 16:15.00 | jordanm | !tell leafwiz about etch->lenny |
| 16:15.22 | jordanm | leafwiz: make sure you atleast have a look at the release notes, which cover upgrading to lenny, and possibly issues that could occur |
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| 16:15.53 | leafwiz | jordanm, oki thx |
| 16:16.58 | themill | funky: I can't imagine that they'll persist with broken package versions. But I don't know on what time scales they'll continue with this. I suspect dpkg will be altered to only warn rather than die on errors in the mean time. |
| 16:17.30 | funky | yup, that would be a good workaround |
| 16:17.44 | randyrkelly | abrotman: ok i wanna install skype and chrome but how |
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| 16:18.31 | abrotman | randyrkelly: ask skype.com, it is not part of Debian |
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| 16:19.55 | jordanm | hints that the "dpkg" command is often used to install 3rd party debs downloaded from the net |
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| 16:21.11 | sammcd | So I have a debian install and I get logged out very often. How can I change that time? |
| 16:21.22 | sammcd | Also is this the right place to ask? Should I be looking at my window managers docs? |
| 16:21.42 | pallgone | sammcd: you mean it gets locked? |
| 16:21.59 | sammcd | black screen with a login window asking for my password. |
| 16:22.18 | sammcd | This is inside a VM... Didn't really need the GUI but it installed automatically. |
| 16:22.30 | sammcd | its just to be a local version of my server which is also debian. |
| 16:22.30 | pallgone | sammcd: system, preferences, screensaver |
| 16:22.48 | sammcd | wow I feel stupid |
| 16:22.50 | sammcd | but thanks :) |
| 16:23.01 | pallgone | np |
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| 16:23.06 | randyrkelly | so is this the command line to install applications apt-get install? |
| 16:23.10 | fruitwerks | anyone use nice in a cron? I can't get the syntax right |
| 16:23.25 | pallgone | randyrkelly: yes, but aptitude is better |
| 16:23.32 | amanita_ | radnyrkelly: apt-get install <packagename> |
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| 16:23.36 | pallgone | !why aptitude |
| 16:23.36 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 16:23.48 | randyrkelly | how i do aptitude |
| 16:24.01 | jordanm | radius: apt is for fetching from repositories. if you are interested in proprietary 3rd party software, you likely will not be installing it in that way |
| 16:24.12 | pallgone | randyrkelly: it's the same almost: aptitude install XXX |
| 16:24.16 | jordanm | dpkg after manually fetching |
| 16:24.16 | dpkg | jordanm: I give up, what is it? |
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| 16:25.02 | fxiny | banana skin :P |
| 16:25.08 | randyrkelly | sweet aptitude worked |
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| 16:26.12 | randyrkelly | aptitude install chrome is correct? |
| 16:26.23 | pallgone | the browser? |
| 16:26.29 | randyrkelly | yes |
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| 16:27.02 | pallgone | aptitude install chromium-browser |
| 16:27.13 | jordanm | pallgone: only works on sid |
| 16:27.32 | jordanm | err only available in sid atleast |
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| 16:27.51 | pallgone | !versions chromium-browser |
| 16:28.03 | pallgone | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 16:28.04 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.125~r53311-1; experimental: 6.0.466.0~r52279-1 |
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| 16:28.12 | randyrkelly | didnt work |
| 16:28.20 | pallgone | yeah, right... it's only in unstable |
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| 16:28.59 | pallgone | randyrkelly: are you using lenny? |
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| 16:29.30 | randyrkelly | no just debian 5.0 whats lenny? |
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| 16:29.37 | pallgone | that's it... |
| 16:29.47 | randyrkelly | if u could help ill grateful |
| 16:29.52 | randyrkelly | ok |
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| 16:30.42 | fxiny | randyrkelly: type : apt-cache search skype , come back when you find it |
| 16:30.49 | pallgone | there's no package for chrome in lenny.. |
| 16:31.27 | randyrkelly | ok fxiny |
| 16:31.36 | randyrkelly | so wht i do pallgone |
| 16:31.42 | fxiny | randyrkelly: you won't find skye |
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| 16:31.47 | jordanm | fxiny: debian does not distribute skype |
| 16:31.53 | fxiny | jordanm: i know |
| 16:32.06 | fruitwerks | and chromium is a agame lol |
| 16:32.10 | randyrkelly | so what i do |
| 16:32.20 | pallgone | randyrkelly: get chrome from google directly |
| 16:32.30 | jordanm | fruitwerks: it was changed to chromium-bsu to aviod confusion |
| 16:32.33 | randyrkelly | i just went to google.com/chrome |
| 16:32.43 | pallgone | randyrkelly: download the package for debian and install |
| 16:32.47 | randyrkelly | i downloaded it but how i install |
| 16:32.49 | fxiny | randyrkelly: no way you can install it with apt-get or aptitude , you've been told to ask skype.come |
| 16:32.57 | fruitwerks | http://airakesh.com/blog/archives/2010/01/how-to-install-google-chrome-browser-chromium-in-debian-linux/ |
| 16:33.02 | pallgone | randyrkelly: dpkg -i <package> |
| 16:33.10 | jordanm | he was also told to use dpkg to install manually downloaded 3rd part debs |
| 16:33.26 | jordanm | didn't mean to /me the last line... |
| 16:33.33 | fxiny | randyrkelly: downloaded ? it can break your system . i suggest you read man apt-ftparchive |
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| 16:35.02 | ewindisch | is there a backchannel for #debconf, or is that here? |
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| 16:36.25 | randyrkelly | i did download it |
| 16:36.34 | randyrkelly | so i need to type dpkg -i <package |
| 16:36.58 | saglawetf | atterer.net is down, any idea? |
| 16:37.24 | randyrkelly | damn im slow |
| 16:37.24 | pallgone | randyrkelly: yes, at your own risk... this stuff is not provided by debian, so it's not official, but normally it works |
| 16:37.28 | jordanm | ewindisch: #debconf on OFTC |
| 16:37.33 | randyrkelly | ok |
| 16:38.26 | ewindisch | jordanm, thanks |
| 16:38.51 | fxiny | randyrkelly: no , is not safe at all . you can create in a couple of seconds a local repo , add a proper line to your sources list and let aptitude informing you if that thing you donwloaded will break your system . by running aptitude -s install <packagename> |
| 16:39.12 | fxiny | after that ask again skype.com |
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| 16:39.53 | fxiny | use debian technology not bruteforce |
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| 16:42.04 | Trashi | hi guys. i hope there are some people who can help with my little pureftpd problem. im using pure-ftpd with mysql support, so all users come from a mysql database (virtualusers) ... in pureftpd.conf i set a MYSQLDefaultUID/GID (pure,ftp) for all virtual users... root is _not_ able to login ... if i connect to ftp with a virtualuser there a three processes ... first process: pure-ftpd (SERVER) user root (my standalone pure ftpd server) ... second |
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| 16:43.36 | jordanm | Trashi: your question has been cut off both times you have asked |
| 16:44.04 | randyrkelly | mm |
| 16:44.36 | Trashi | jordanm: what do u mean with "cut off" ?? o_O |
| 16:44.41 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: so what is your real problem? I don't see a problem here... |
| 16:45.00 | jordanm | Trashi: it ends with " root (my standalone pure ftpd server) ... second" I assume there is more |
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| 16:45.18 | Trashi | ok i will repeat the text in to parts .. so you can see my problem ;) |
| 16:45.32 | Trashi | hi guys. i hope there are some people who can help with my little pureftpd problem. im using pure-ftpd with mysql support, so all users come from a mysql database (virtualusers) ... in pureftpd.conf i set a MYSQLDefaultUID/GID (pure,ftp) for all virtual users... root is _not_ able to login ... if i connect to ftp with a virtualuser there a three processes ... |
| 16:45.40 | Trashi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.44 | Trashi | annoyingly pstree sais, that this on is an subordinated process of pure-ftpd (IDLE) .... i hope someone can help to make a statement for this, to find out whats up with this third process!?!?! |
| 16:45.47 | Trashi | :) |
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| 16:46.18 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: it's fine, it should be there |
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| 16:46.44 | Trashi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.53 | thewanderer1 | the source |
| 16:47.01 | simonrvn | normal... and you shouldn't use root account over ftp. |
| 16:47.07 | simonrvn | 'documentation' |
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| 16:47.24 | thewanderer1 | yes, the "comments" in the "source code" |
| 16:47.44 | thewanderer1 | besides, if you look really hard for fork() and then trace the execution, it all becomes clear out of a sudden |
| 16:47.52 | ewindisch | Trashi, I believe it is part of the privilege separation, you'd have to really check the source code, and/or speak with the developers of PureFTP. |
| 16:48.19 | ewindisch | (and as thewander1 said, search for 'fork') |
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| 16:49.04 | Trashi | simonrvn: quote "root is _not_ able to login" |
| 16:49.04 | Trashi | ewindisch: i wrote an email 2 weeks ago but i never got an answer |
| 16:49.04 | Trashi | thewanderer1: ok so i have to take a look to the comments of the source code? |
| 16:49.13 | simonrvn | yes it's the privsep |
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| 16:49.42 | simonrvn | ok, misread, my bad |
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| 16:50.55 | Trashi | no problem .. ok thank you all guys!!! |
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| 16:59.40 | randyrkelly | ok im getting pissed off |
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| 17:01.00 | pallgone | randyrkelly: well, you shouldn't expect to be able to do everything in a few minutes, it needs quite some time to learn |
| 17:01.30 | randyrkelly | well i know but when i do what u guys say it doesnt work |
| 17:01.54 | pallgone | randyrkelly: you can't rely only on us, google the stuff up |
| 17:02.03 | randyrkelly | i have bud |
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| 17:04.26 | randyrkelly | tell me if im on the right track |
| 17:04.38 | randyrkelly | debian:~# apt-get install skype |
| 17:04.45 | randyrkelly | correct? |
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| 17:05.03 | abrotman | and what does it say? |
| 17:05.07 | thewanderer1 | if you can get a repo with Skype package, then correct... |
| 17:05.16 | pallgone | !skype |
| 17:05.16 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 17:05.26 | pallgone | randyrkelly: ^ |
| 17:05.45 | abrotman | wishes skype would just go away forever |
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| 17:06.27 | guest | & take M$ with it! |
| 17:06.29 | randyrkelly | i use it daily at work |
| 17:06.29 | pallgone | wishes whishes |
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| 17:07.22 | abrotman | so i can't wish it to go away? :) |
| 17:07.31 | abrotman | they do make ekiga for windows |
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| 17:09.31 | ewindisch | there are some web-based video chats too. they require flash, which I'm not sure is more or less evil than skype |
| 17:09.40 | ewindisch | but at least widely deployed .. |
| 17:09.44 | fxiny | is evil++ |
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| 17:10.34 | thewanderer1 | one can also use native Jabber videoconferencing via Jingle :P |
| 17:10.41 | thewanderer1 | (it's free, whoa) |
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| 17:10.50 | abrotman | ekiga is free ... |
| 17:10.54 | abrotman | Free .. |
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| 17:12.08 | thewanderer1 | what protocol does Ekiga use? |
| 17:12.19 | tzafrir | SIP, for sure |
| 17:12.29 | tzafrir | I don't think it supports jingle |
| 17:12.31 | thewanderer1 | oh. proper VoIP is complex |
| 17:12.48 | sulphur16 | Hello All, How can I remove ekiga from my gnome desktop without removing Gnome desktop |
| 17:12.52 | abrotman | ekiga.org if you want to read about it |
| 17:13.03 | tzafrir | It also supports the old VoIP protocol which should not be named |
| 17:13.07 | abrotman | sulphur16: man aptitude, you want to look at unmarkauto IIRC |
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| 17:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !v4l2 |
| 17:13.48 | dpkg | from memory, v4l2 is http://www.thedirks.org/v4l2/ |
| 17:13.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | last updated 2005.. |
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| 17:15.00 | sulphur16 | abrotman: Thanks for the pointer, Cheers |
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| 17:16.47 | fxiny | 2005 the year of the rooster :P |
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| 17:21.15 | fruitwerks | can someone help me with sudo? |
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| 17:21.46 | guest | not without more info |
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| 17:22.32 | fruitwerks | ok well I need www-data to be able to get root - I know it's a bad idea, but this is what I need |
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| 17:23.01 | Ergo^ | hey debian, is there any sense in developing an alternative to ubuntus 'jockey' application that would 1 click install drivers for ati/nvidia ? |
| 17:23.09 | jordanm | fruitwerks: see: suexec |
| 17:23.11 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: no, not at all |
| 17:23.29 | Ergo^ | thewanderer1, why ? thats helpful for new users |
| 17:23.31 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: we already have smxi and the like, thank you :P |
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| 17:24.03 | ewindisch | fruitwerks, the idea with sudo is to add the user to /etc/sudoers, you can use this to limit what applications the user can run via sudo as well. |
| 17:24.18 | guest | fruitwerks visudo add a line "www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:$COMMAND" |
| 17:24.30 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: by the way, how are you going to explain to the user that they need to enable non-free and that they will be compiling a kernel module? huh |
| 17:24.33 | guest | where $COMMAND is what you need it to do |
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| 17:24.47 | thewanderer1 | guest: yeah, and get rooted very fast :> |
| 17:24.53 | fruitwerks | I did something similar, but I need to password it too |
| 17:25.09 | SparFux | Hi all. How to install mplayer AND ffmpeg of official mirrors, ignoring configured unofficial mirrors with just from the command line? |
| 17:25.09 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks: if you need a password for it, then remove NOPASSWD: |
| 17:25.12 | guest | so don't use the nopasswd |
| 17:25.16 | ewindisch | fruitwerks, with a user like 'www-data', you'll want to be extremely cautious, however. |
| 17:25.18 | themill | fruitwerks: perhaps you should step back and tell us what you're trying to achieve |
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| 17:25.38 | ewindisch | fruitwerks, if you need a password on it, then you probaby don't want it on www-data, I assume this won't be interactive, thus you'll want no password |
| 17:25.42 | ddilinger | So, i'm a bit of an old school debian person, not familiar with alot of the developments of the last 6-8 years ... are there any pages describing why use aptitude over apt-get ? |
| 17:25.42 | fruitwerks | it is very complex - I will secure it once I get it working |
| 17:25.44 | Ergo^ | thewanderer1, i thought that m-a way didnt require comiling ? |
| 17:26.02 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: what m-a does is compile a kernel module for you |
| 17:26.05 | themill | ddilinger: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 17:26.07 | abrotman | ddilinger: roughly, much better problem resolution |
| 17:26.16 | drags | if you're allowing your web server to sudo to root without a password, you _won't_ secure it later |
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| 17:26.29 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks: use sudo -S so that it reads the password from stdin |
| 17:26.36 | Ergo^ | anyways im thinking about way to improve usability of debian after fresh instalation, and a way to help install drivers would be a good thing i suppose |
| 17:26.39 | ewindisch | ddilinger, you'll have to first convince *me* to use aptitude before I can convince you ;-) |
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| 17:26.45 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks: and keep in mind that sudo asks for the USER PASSWORD not ROOT PASSWORD by default |
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| 17:27.10 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: you would be acting against Debian freeness policy, though |
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| 17:27.23 | xreal | Do I get results when running iostat or iotop in a linux VServer? |
| 17:27.27 | jordanm | !tell ewindisch about why aptitude |
| 17:27.42 | ewindisch | Jordanm: hah ;-) |
| 17:27.52 | jordanm | :) |
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| 17:28.06 | fruitwerks | I give the password and it says 'sorry try again' |
| 17:28.12 | ewindisch | jordanm, it seems to solve all of the problems I never have (based on responsible usage of apt) |
| 17:28.40 | Ergo^ | thewanderer1, why? i always thought that if you provide a GPL/BSD tool to aid user in process of installation of closed drivers from 3rd party is fine with any distribution |
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| 17:29.13 | fruitwerks | asks for the user pass? (debian is funny to me) so I don't think www-data has a password, so what can I do? I don't think I can give it one either |
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| 17:29.28 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks: set sudo so that it asks for the root password. |
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| 17:30.03 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: it is _technically_ fine, but may or may not be _ethically_ fine. besides, you will have to inform the user that you're adding non-free repos to the system and downloading non-free software |
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| 17:30.14 | ewindisch | drags, sudo as the web-server's user isn't necessarily insecure. If you limit what it can run and whatever it runs cleans its environment, it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 17:30.16 | Ergo^ | yeah i guess we would need to do that |
| 17:30.20 | jordanm | ewindisch: there was some small discussion on why it is the recommended tool for upgrades in this recent -devel thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/07/msg00219.html |
| 17:30.25 | guest | fruitwerks or use the NOPASSWD like i first said ;/ |
| 17:30.31 | ornia | Hi, I have network-manager and wicd but I only want 1 to start up at boot but keep both installed. |
| 17:30.43 | ornia | Should I make /etc/init.d/network-manager not executale? |
| 17:30.45 | fruitwerks | thewanderer1 - how do I have it ask for the root pass? |
| 17:30.48 | Ergo^ | the reason to bring this topic up was recent discussion on mailing lists on what to do to make debian more relevant for "new" users than ubuntu, i mean using both of them i think biggest difference between those two to me was the ability to install drivers without pain |
| 17:30.55 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks: man sudoers |
| 17:30.58 | guest | fruitwerks and yes you can set a password for "user" www-data |
| 17:31.13 | jordanm | ornia: uninstall network-manager or disable it using a tool such as sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:31.23 | fruitwerks | I know I can set a password, but it might break something |
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| 17:31.50 | ewindisch | jordanm, I'm just a tough case since I've been using Debian since before apt-get. ;-P |
| 17:31.52 | fxiny | why are new users always supposed to be lazy or dumb ? |
| 17:32.16 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: there is one significant problem with this - if the graphics driver doesn't work, users will have a hard time running a nice GUI to install the drivers |
| 17:32.18 | guest | fxiny supposed or expected ? |
| 17:32.39 | fxiny | guest: what's the difference ? |
| 17:33.00 | guest | tense |
| 17:33.10 | fxiny | i see |
| 17:33.13 | jordanm | ewindisch: dedicated dselect user? :p |
| 17:33.17 | thewanderer1 | as in "should I be dumb" as opposed to "do you take me for a moron" |
| 17:33.39 | guest | that ^ |
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| 17:33.43 | Ergo^ | thewanderer1, indeed, but for example broadcom-fwcutter package would be equally unethical would it ? its used to obtain blobs of firmware |
| 17:34.09 | jelly-hme | Ergo^: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 17:34.38 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: personally, I have nothing against you developing such sogtware, provided that you notify the user of all the consequences of using it, with regard to the freeness of the system. |
| 17:35.00 | themill | Ergo^: fwcutter packages don't go off and alter your sources.list for you though. You've had to make that decision yourself first. |
| 17:35.07 | ewindisch | jordanm, not anymore, but once upon a time. |
| 17:35.28 | jelly-hme | Ergo^: you are effectively suggesting treating contrib as part of Debian. This may go against Debian's Social Contract. |
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| 17:35.56 | Ergo^ | right, so what solutions does open source community have to remedy those problems - apart developing free driver alternative - as thats not so easy and takes time ? |
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| 17:36.17 | jordanm | ewindisch: use what you like, my vps runs well :) |
| 17:36.34 | guest | !vps |
| 17:36.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vps is Virtual Private Server, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
| 17:36.55 | jelly-hme | Ergo^: as for myself, I bought hardware that works with free drivers. There are different levels of pragmatism/idealism one may take. |
| 17:37.00 | fxiny | anyway , someone here just before was asking about apt-get and aptitude . when i started using debian , on a 56k robotics and a full woody cd collection, i spent hours exploring/searching with dselect , i did not care at all about usability , i had what i wanted . |
| 17:37.20 | Ergo^ | maybe im just thinking in wrong direction, but im just looking for a way to improve users experience - and drivers are essential to that experience |
| 17:37.29 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: this problem is "remedied" by users learning |
| 17:37.41 | thewanderer1 | there is no "user experience" - it is just hyp |
| 17:37.42 | thewanderer1 | e |
| 17:37.52 | Ergo^ | jelly-hme, yeah thats what i do too - but you/me already use linux and we know what we want to do |
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| 17:38.05 | fxiny | and i believe new users are the same . like that one before looking for skype , they want apps |
| 17:38.10 | jelly-hme | Ergo^: read the social contract. Notice 100% free software comes before caring for the users. |
| 17:38.21 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: Debian is not for attracting new users |
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| 17:38.47 | Ergo^ | thewanderer1, dont get me wrong, its a great idea in general - but this type of thinking makes linux distro marketshare where it is |
| 17:38.59 | themill | Ergo^: there are already too many of these shitty scripts out there that break on not-that-uncommon corner cases or do other hideous things to the machine in the process. Another one doesn't help. |
| 17:39.17 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: what you are doing can be compared to visiting #cisco and asking them how to improve user experience on their IOS, followed by the blank stares |
| 17:39.27 | guest | jelly-hme here here ! freedom before family/friends |
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| 17:40.16 | jelly-hme | guest: I'm not saying I agree with that, just stating the facts. |
| 17:40.19 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: besides, administrators are meant to manage computers, while users are for using them |
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| 17:40.40 | Ergo^ | so what other options are there apart education? if you are saying that there are X other scripts that do the same there is no need for another one |
| 17:41.00 | thewanderer1 | once upon a time, Microsoft introduced the now-rooted belief that (user == administrator) |
| 17:41.01 | guest | jelly-hme yeah, i know. i was just stating that i do agree. |
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| 17:41.30 | thewanderer1 | administrators who know what they are doing are for installing software/drivers |
| 17:41.38 | thewanderer1 | users are for using software |
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| 17:42.31 | Ergo^ | indeed, but that means that linux will never reach a significant market share on desktop, unless something strange happens like vendors freeing their drivers etc. |
| 17:42.43 | Ergo^ | and its a pity for it to stay nieche in consumer market |
| 17:43.10 | jordanm | Ergo^: not all distros take on debian's ideals |
| 17:43.16 | Ergo^ | but i guess you are right that free software should come first |
| 17:43.19 | guest | heh there are several (all M$) boxen around this office... all are running only one user account. i.e. all of them are running as owner/admin ;/ |
| 17:43.28 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: first, it's the administrators who decide and not users |
| 17:43.29 | jordanm | if you don't like them, I am sure you can find something that fits in better with your own ideals |
| 17:44.02 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: so if admins all over the world find Debian easier to manage than Windows, they dump Windows and tell users to learn Linux, it's this simple |
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| 17:44.16 | thewanderer1 | and then companies with their crappy drivers have to follow |
| 17:44.25 | Ergo^ | jordanm, its not about what i like or not, im very happy with debian i just wanted to start a discussion about things like that and see whats can be done about the problem |
| 17:44.26 | jelly-hme | Ergo^: but we're not discussing Linux in here, we're discussing Debian. |
| 17:44.56 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: if you want to improve on the situation, please invent a system for notifying the user that their system may contain non-free hardware and that the drivers are available |
| 17:45.11 | themill | Ergo^: longer discussions like this would do better in #debian-offtopic as this is primarily a help channel. |
| 17:45.16 | thewanderer1 | along with instructions on how to install them, or where to find a howto |
| 17:45.16 | fxiny | thewanderer1: that's great ! |
| 17:45.47 | Ergo^ | hmm |
| 17:45.52 | thewanderer1 | then, let the user pick a tool for the job |
| 17:46.00 | Ergo^ | thats actually a good idea |
| 17:46.54 | thewanderer1 | Debian currently notifies you when you install a new kernel which doesn't contain all the needed firmware. and tells you which hardware parts might not work without it |
| 17:47.19 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:47.28 | Ergo^ | in in #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:49.29 | rberto | Hey guys. I have a very old laptop that I want to use as a LAN web server. I installed Debian lenny on it and I had a few problems. The first was that it kept telling me that the laptop was always on battery power and thus skipping the filesystem check. I fixed that by simply renaming the problematic on_ac_power thus forcing a scan on evey boot. the other thing I noticed was that there were 31 kernel modules loaded! I had slackware 11.0 (kerne |
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| 17:50.04 | jordanm | rberto: you are cut off when talking about slackware |
| 17:50.41 | Tramp | ..... by the line-limit length, not by policy :) |
| 17:50.46 | rberto | jordanm: but I dont have that anymore, I have debian now |
| 17:50.55 | Tramp | lol |
| 17:50.56 | guest | ^ |
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| 17:51.12 | rberto | the other thing I noticed was that there were 31 kernel modules loaded! I had slackware 11.0 (kernel 2.4.20) installed bfore Debian and it only had 11 loaded modules. Because the memory is quite limited (256MB) I find myself wanting to go back to slackware since Im not really into recompiling the debian kernel to get and optimized one. I would really appreciate any thoughts or suggestions. |
| 17:51.39 | rberto | Im sorry, Im not understanding what u r telling me guys |
| 17:51.39 | fxiny | 256 is not limited |
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| 17:51.54 | fxiny | i have less here |
| 17:52.09 | jordanm | rberto: that is likely because you built them into your kernel, instead of compiling them as modules. that additional code went into your bzImage instead of the modules |
| 17:52.38 | guest | rberto 256m is 4 times what i have on one server |
| 17:53.09 | rberto | jordanm: oh I thought the debian kernel was a generic one with the modules loaded at boot time |
| 17:53.38 | Tramp | only thoses needed on the specific HW |
| 17:54.02 | karlpinc | rberto: There is no "generic" kernel in that sense. It's up to whomever compiles the kernel as to what is a module and what's linked directly into the kernel. |
| 17:54.03 | jordanm | rberto: you can create a local file in /etc/modprobe.d to blacklist modules you do not want to load |
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| 17:54.30 | Tramp | and in any case, the kernel is probably among the leanest software running on a system these days |
| 17:54.43 | rberto | jordanm: there is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist already |
| 17:54.58 | guest | rberto do you really mean "server" or are you talking about just one box connected to it ? (maybe that is technecally still a server, but...) |
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| 17:55.25 | rberto | guest: one server 3 machines connected to it |
| 17:55.25 | guest | is trying to immagine a lappy as a server .... |
| 17:55.48 | jordanm | rberto: yes, but you should not edit that file, create your own |
| 17:56.11 | jordanm | rberto: that file may be overwritten when you upgrade to the next release |
| 17:56.13 | rberto | jordanm: I see |
| 17:56.34 | rberto | jordanm: any other idea other than blacklisting? |
| 17:56.53 | rozie | rberto: roll your own kernel |
| 17:57.07 | rberto | rozie: yeah |
| 17:57.10 | rozie | if those modules are really such a problem |
| 17:58.50 | rberto | for example, as a test I tried blacklisting psmouse... and the kernel was not happy |
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| 17:59.47 | guest | rberto one could add lines in rc.local to remove the unwanted modules... one could move or delete them so they couldn't be loaded .... there exists a plurality of methoods where by the epidurmas of the feline might be removed... |
| 18:00.27 | fxiny | guest: epidurmas of the feline ? i'm f* adding it to my notes ! :) |
| 18:00.42 | guest | :) |
| 18:00.52 | guest | more than one way to skin a cat |
| 18:00.56 | rberto | guest: can I blacklist psmouse safely? |
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| 18:01.35 | rberto | guest: I mean its CLI and I never use a mouse |
| 18:02.24 | guest | safely sure. it's not going to break the kernel just because it can't access the mouse. but as for "it's cli*" i run cli most all the time and use the mouse... "gpm" for copy and paste. |
| 18:03.18 | rberto | guest: I never use gpm... what about snd_* modules? those can be blacklisted |
| 18:03.27 | guest | yes |
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| 18:20.23 | Njh | hey, I need some help with naming stuff on apt ... I have my own repositories, and when I click on a package of mine in synaptic and go to the version tab, i get the [version] (SERVER NAME), is there anyway to change the server name |
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| 18:23.58 | jordanm | Njh: are you hosting over http? is that what your webserver announces as ServerName? |
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| 18:28.44 | Njh | jordanm: yah, im hosting over http: |
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| 18:31.14 | Njh | jordanm: is there anyway to change whats in the () |
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| 18:34.58 | jordanm | Njh: you are one for two on answering questions, I don't use synaptic and have no idea was () is |
| 18:35.14 | jordanm | Njh: anyways, i would try changing ServerName |
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| 18:38.32 | ngomes | did anyone noticed that they removed -r option from mailx ? "send from" |
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| 18:40.10 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 18:40.15 | Innocentus | anyone online? |
| 18:40.18 | thewanderer1 | !hello |
| 18:40.18 | dpkg | Hi, thewanderer1! |
| 18:40.22 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
| 18:40.43 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: when you're feeling lonely, say !hi to dpkg ;P |
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| 18:43.52 | Lovecraft | How y'all? |
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| 18:46.34 | Innocentus | dpkg: hi! |
| 18:46.34 | dpkg | hi |
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| 18:46.36 | Innocentus | hehe |
| 18:46.42 | Innocentus | dpkg: how are you? |
| 18:46.42 | dpkg | Innocentus: peachy |
| 18:46.45 | Innocentus | hehe |
| 18:46.52 | Innocentus | dpkg: are you human? |
| 18:46.53 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Innocentus |
| 18:47.02 | Innocentus | dpkg: are you silly? |
| 18:47.04 | dpkg | Innocentus: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 18:47.15 | Innocentus | dpkg: say hello |
| 18:47.15 | dpkg | hello |
| 18:47.21 | Innocentus | this is a security leak |
| 18:47.28 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: please stop. |
| 18:47.32 | Innocentus | ok |
| 18:47.39 | jelly-hme | !msg the bot |
| 18:47.39 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 18:47.43 | thewanderer1 | alright, it was a bad suggestion of mine :P |
| 18:47.45 | Innocentus | dpkg: say kick dpkg |
| 18:47.45 | dpkg | kick dpkg |
| 18:47.49 | Innocentus | :) |
| 18:48.11 | thewanderer1 | now what's your real purpose of today's visit? |
| 18:48.12 | jelly-hme | !ask |
| 18:48.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:48.17 | Innocentus | yea |
| 18:48.25 | Innocentus | my apache httpd consumes nearly all memory |
| 18:48.28 | Innocentus | I don't know why |
| 18:48.49 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: how much memory is there? |
| 18:49.00 | karlpinc | Innocentus: And how is it that you can tell? |
| 18:49.07 | Innocentus | Mem: 512 |
| 18:49.11 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: which nondefault apache modules are enabled? |
| 18:49.13 | Innocentus | Swp: 1023 |
| 18:49.23 | Innocentus | no |
| 18:49.30 | Innocentus | only auth and the standard mods |
| 18:49.38 | jordanm | depending on how many/what sites you are hosting, that might be about normal |
| 18:49.41 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: no, say, php? |
| 18:49.41 | ngomes | about mailx |
| 18:49.43 | jordanm | as well as how active |
| 18:49.47 | Innocentus | yes mod_php also |
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| 18:49.56 | Innocentus | but are the mods such big memory-eaters? |
| 18:50.20 | thewanderer1 | PHP can be memory-intensive if you run lots of complex scripts on a heavily-loaded server |
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| 18:50.57 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: adapt memory_limit in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini; limit the number of apache processes. |
| 18:51.07 | Innocentus | how can I limit the number of apache processes? |
| 18:51.19 | thewanderer1 | it's in the config |
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| 18:52.01 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: read /etc/apache2/apache2.conf. Read standard apache documentation. |
| 18:52.09 | Innocentus | ah right |
| 18:52.13 | Innocentus | ok |
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| 18:52.45 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: inspect apache logs to see if any particular requests make the apache eat more memory than usual |
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| 18:53.47 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: in case there're memory leaks, make apache children processes die more often (MaxRequestsPerChild) |
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| 18:54.38 | Innocentus | yea |
| 18:54.42 | Innocentus | this could be - thank you very much |
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| 18:56.51 | rberto | anybody knows why on_ac_power always returns 0 (on battery)? |
| 18:57.19 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: uses mod_status to see if there're lots of lingering processes or other suspicious behaviour |
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| 18:57.50 | kevin01123 | rberto: Because you're not on ac power(?) |
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| 18:58.06 | jelly-hme | Innocentus: in other words, learn your tools and be an Apache admin |
| 18:58.11 | rberto | kevin01123: its plugged in |
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| 18:58.45 | Innocentus | ok |
| 18:58.47 | Innocentus | yea |
| 18:58.48 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 18:58.49 | rberto | kevin01123: it ALWAYS returns 0 |
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| 19:00.38 | thewanderer1 | rberto: then your Linux is unable to detect this |
| 19:00.52 | thewanderer1 | rberto: perhaps your machine has a crappy ACPI |
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| 19:01.32 | rberto | thewanderer1: hmm |
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| 19:02.38 | thewanderer1 | rberto: what do you mean by "returns 0"? |
| 19:02.48 | thewanderer1 | 0 = true, 1 = false in exit codes |
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| 19:02.58 | thewanderer1 | and this is by far the worst technical decision, hehe |
| 19:03.10 | rberto | on_ac_power; echo $? |
| 19:03.59 | rberto | thewanderer1: oh I meant 1... the point is it says its ALWAYS on battery so it skips the filesystem check |
| 19:04.46 | thewanderer1 | it's an ACPI thing for sure |
| 19:05.31 | rberto | thewanderer1: its an old sony vaio, so I ruled that out |
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| 19:05.46 | thewanderer1 | I suggest that you check if your ACPI notifies you properly of AC power / battery on "the other operating system" to verify if it's not a hardware error |
| 19:05.56 | thewanderer1 | also, has it ever worked? :P |
| 19:06.17 | rberto | thewanderer1: yes |
| 19:06.29 | thewanderer1 | and it stopped working? hmm |
| 19:06.40 | rberto | thewanderer1: but I think the batteries r dying (its always plugged in) |
| 19:06.54 | thewanderer1 | check with another OS and blame the hardware :P |
| 19:07.00 | thewanderer1 | also |
| 19:07.06 | thewanderer1 | what does it return without a battery? |
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| 19:07.16 | rberto | thewanderer1: maybe I should unplug the dying batteries altogether? |
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| 19:07.30 | thewanderer1 | ye, try that |
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| 19:18.25 | s5s | why is iceweasel so slow? |
| 19:18.49 | bluegene | why does crontab -l show a different command than crontab -e? the pipe redirect is missing |
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| 19:24.25 | bluegene | problem solved |
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| 20:20.37 | nsadmin | how would I do a kvm guest of a debian lenny base only? |
| 20:21.00 | nsadmin | it doesn't exist now, how do I make it exist? |
| 20:21.37 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: you install the base system, wrap it up and make it work as a qcow2 disk image |
| 20:21.58 | nsadmin | qcow2, I'll look into that |
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| 20:22.59 | nsadmin | here's what I'm doing... so I recently succeeded at backporting some of the binary packages of grub2 from sid, to lenny, but I lost track of what I had to do to do that, so I'm repeating the build on a blank slate |
| 20:23.20 | nsadmin | so at minimum the kvm guest needs networking |
| 20:24.22 | sweetpi | nsadmin: just use the netinst iso to install base system (standard task) |
| 20:24.35 | nsadmin | thewanderer1: so how would I make the disk image sufficiently large so I could install a buncha stuff on it, |
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| 20:24.51 | nsadmin | or, can I just make partitions |
| 20:24.56 | sweetpi | oh I guess your not talking about vbox |
| 20:25.17 | nsadmin | I suppose I could do that, make it similar to a chroot |
| 20:25.36 | thewanderer1 | you make a chroot, pack it to some tar, then you boot a working guest in your KVM |
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| 20:25.54 | thewanderer1 | and if you have 2 disks connected to KVM, you just drop the tar on the second disk |
| 20:26.15 | thewanderer1 | but you sound like needing a chroot, not KVM... |
| 20:26.42 | nsadmin | right, I'm not sure virtualization is actually needed |
| 20:26.57 | thewanderer1 | unless you absolutely need to test if GRUB works |
| 20:27.19 | nsadmin | well I don't know if my new packages work |
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| 20:27.31 | thewanderer1 | but then, you can perform the test after making the backported package, on a stock Lenny running in KVM |
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| 20:27.49 | nsadmin | my overall goal was to build grub packages for lenny that the #grub people would be happy to support |
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| 20:28.32 | thewanderer1 | so yeah, I think you should build it in some chroot and then test it with a VM of choice |
| 20:28.45 | nsadmin | so a kvm guest starts life booted from a boot loader?? |
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| 20:29.24 | nsadmin | and you tell the kvm hypervisor to fire up grub? |
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| 20:31.19 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: no, no, there is no "hypervisor" |
| 20:31.37 | thewanderer1 | kvm just simulates a PC with BIOS |
| 20:31.45 | aPpYe | I am looking at going back to using debian for a while but I want rolling release. I figured I would go with the testing branch just to be safer for now. In sources.list, would I want to have "testing" in there instead of "squeeze?" I would think I would since once squeeze goes stable, it would no longer be rolling release. |
| 20:32.11 | nsadmin | "rolling release"? |
| 20:32.27 | nsadmin | you'd kinda have to take care of that part yourself... |
| 20:32.27 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: you put Squeeze in there, and then, after it's released, proceed to "testing" very carefully as if stomping on a minefield |
| 20:32.28 | nsadmin | that is |
| 20:33.24 | nsadmin | if you go to testing immediately after release, you're very likely going to hose yourself |
| 20:33.36 | aPpYe | thewanderer1: well, I want to make sure it is always like a rolling release... I have been using archlinux for a while and really prefer the concept for my personal machines. |
| 20:33.53 | aPpYe | this is not going on any kind of mission critical box. |
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| 20:34.17 | nsadmin | and I want to make sure you understand that debian's release process IS NOT a rolling release |
| 20:34.25 | nsadmin | you might be happier with ubuntu |
| 20:34.38 | thewanderer1 | ubuntu is not a rolling release, either... |
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| 20:34.51 | nsadmin | oh, maybe not then |
| 20:34.53 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: I'm using testing without any major problems on a home computer |
| 20:35.18 | thewanderer1 | just make sure you do watch every upgrade and not let the system go on a dpkg-spree |
| 20:35.42 | aPpYe | Isn't testing pretty much rolling release, so long as I keep the word "testing" in the sources.list? I am currently installing a new debian vm using the latest testing snapshot. |
| 20:36.01 | nsadmin | I mean, you can obviously do what you want on your machine |
| 20:36.17 | thewanderer1 | well, it mostly is |
| 20:36.42 | aPpYe | I don't have the installation complete yet, so maybe the nomenclature is different now... I have not really installed a debian system in a few years. |
| 20:36.46 | thewanderer1 | sometimes you can experience a bullet-time effect when testing is frozen and then you hop to the next testing |
| 20:36.52 | aPpYe | thewanderer1: dpkg-spree? |
| 20:37.09 | aPpYe | bullet-time? |
| 20:37.23 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: it's what I call it when my system breaks things :P |
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| 20:37.47 | aPpYe | like a killing spree. |
| 20:37.49 | aPpYe | gotcha. |
| 20:37.54 | aPpYe | what about bullet-time? |
| 20:38.27 | thewanderer1 | you are feeling like in stable one day, things start to settle down, you see almost no bugs |
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| 20:38.48 | thewanderer1 | and on the second day you realize it was just the time flowing slowly and you end up with a distro that's like unstable :P |
| 20:39.05 | nsadmin | in a less-than-stable system, it can be possible that whole systems of packages change at the same time... also possible, half the system changes and then the maints wait for the other maints to do what would be necessary changes to the other half to resolve breakages that can range from minor/cosmetic to full-on breakage of everything |
| 20:39.06 | thewanderer1 | (the second day being the day of release, of course) |
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| 20:39.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, one has to read what apt says and resolve problems from time to time |
| 20:39.41 | thewanderer1 | still, it's sustainable |
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| 20:39.59 | nsadmin | the only question now is would you be happy with that |
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| 20:40.24 | aPpYe | I just don't want to deal with running a "aptitude dist-upgrade" every few months or having to reinstall the system fresh ... apologies if my nomenclature is off, been a while. I am used to pacman. I want to run |
| 20:40.38 | aPpYe | "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" and be done with it. |
| 20:40.45 | aPpYe | I can deal with breakeage\ |
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| 20:41.28 | thewanderer1 | then testing is for you |
| 20:41.31 | nsadmin | I'm just saying that maybe you can't get close enough to "rolling release" under debian to support your purposes |
| 20:41.41 | thewanderer1 | just be sure to report all bugs you run into :P |
| 20:41.49 | thewanderer1 | well, sid is rolling release |
| 20:42.21 | Trewas | aPpYe: taking that literally you'll need those dist-upgrades occasionally in testing also when new dependencies are added to formerly installed packages |
| 20:42.30 | thewanderer1 | you might or might not be able to run full sid, I'm saying it is possible but annoying at times. daily, I stick with lenny/sid distro |
| 20:42.33 | nsadmin | with similar caveats tho... the maints will sync a bit with testing enough to help with release |
| 20:43.36 | nsadmin | what's lenny/sid? |
| 20:43.40 | progre55 | hi people! I'm starting a deamon using "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $SCRIPT_PID --startas $DAEMON -- $DAEMON_OPTS", but it doesnt record the pid in the specified file, so the "stop" option doesnt work. Any suggestions, please? |
| 20:44.31 | nsadmin | go thru the man page of start-stop-daemon |
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| 20:45.23 | nsadmin | also make sure that whatever it is that would write the pid file has permission to do so |
| 20:46.29 | nsadmin | if start-stop-daemon does not have anything, and your daemon also does not write its own pid file, then you may have to manage the pid file in the /etc/init.d script |
| 20:47.32 | nsadmin | I'm almost positive start-stop-daemon does have pidfile mgmt functionality as it doesn't make sense if it does not |
| 20:47.37 | sweetpi | progre55: you need --make-pidfile, --pidfile is for checking if a process created a pid file |
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| 20:48.04 | smv | I need an answer from those that administer complex networks. What do you use, shorewall, apf or something else? |
| 20:48.16 | progre55 | sweetpi: oh I see, thanks! I'll try it now |
| 20:48.17 | nsadmin | ipmasq |
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| 20:48.31 | thewanderer1 | smv: shorewall |
| 20:48.40 | aPpYe | nsadmin: I guess that is what I was wondering, how is testing different from sid as related to rolling release? |
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| 20:48.57 | shylent | hahh, just use iptables directly like a man |
| 20:49.00 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: sid is never frozen, and sid breaks more often |
| 20:49.11 | aPpYe | but testing is frozen at times? |
| 20:49.16 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 20:49.28 | nsadmin | while ipmasq is awesome, its maint has decided to abandon it... if you decide you like it, get its debianized source so you can always build the package |
| 20:49.52 | aPpYe | so in a sense, it is like a bunch of micro-releases requiring dist-upgrades pretty often then, huh? |
| 20:49.54 | thewanderer1 | ipmasq is not really a firewall script other than managing NAT |
| 20:50.14 | smv | nsadmin, isn't ipmasq used only for masquerading? |
| 20:50.24 | nsadmin | it builds a router that does masq |
| 20:50.36 | thewanderer1 | yes, a "complex network" needs somewhat more |
| 20:50.39 | nsadmin | it does so by looking at your existing interface |
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| 20:51.12 | smv | thewanderer1, any special reason to use shorewall instead of afp? just wondering |
| 20:51.20 | bluegene | how can i make sure that a pipe command is only executed if stdout is not empty? |
| 20:51.26 | thewanderer1 | smv: yes, apf is for workstations, shorewall is for servers |
| 20:51.32 | thewanderer1 | or routers |
| 20:51.35 | aPpYe | thewanderer1: does my analogy seem right? Maybe I would want to try sid then. |
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| 20:51.53 | nsadmin | aPpYe, perhaps |
| 20:52.01 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: freezes only happen before releases, so it's like once per 2 years |
| 20:52.02 | nsadmin | it' |
| 20:52.13 | thewanderer1 | and they last several months only |
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| 20:52.31 | aPpYe | I see ... so rolling release otherwise then... |
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| 20:52.37 | nsadmin | the hardline is, it's not recommended... but always: it's your machine and therefore your decision and responsibility |
| 20:52.37 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 20:52.48 | thewanderer1 | you are generally safer when running testing and pulling some packages you need from sid, rather than full sid |
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| 20:52.57 | aPpYe | okay! testing is my new toy then. |
| 20:52.59 | mete | hello |
| 20:53.05 | smv | thewanderer1, so shorewall, is suposed to be able to manage like a dozen virtual networks and a bunch of real ones in one instance? |
| 20:53.46 | thewanderer1 | smv: I'm running OpenVZ with 20 virtual hosts, a backbone network, and a DMZ, and it works like a charm if you put into it some time to learn the config files |
| 20:53.56 | mete | I just installed debian lenny, and now I run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", after that I run "apt-get install snmpd" and have a lot of errors: http://pastebin.com/VzhX9m73 can anyone help me? |
| 20:54.14 | nsadmin | these hardliners that claim stupid, idiotic things like "if you have to ask that question, you're somehow gimped and therefore not ready" are trying to do less work to help people, or are trying to protect their position/job in the industry |
| 20:54.15 | igro | hello, can anyone please tell me what i have to set in order to change the dir terminal is opening to? |
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| 20:55.48 | nsadmin | what dir is it opening to now? |
| 20:56.14 | thewanderer1 | mete: your system is somewhat broken |
| 20:56.15 | igro | nsadmin: im loged in as a user but terminal is opening to / |
| 20:56.23 | igro | nsadmin: im loged in as a user but terminal is opening to / |
| 20:56.32 | thewanderer1 | igro: then perhaps your home directory does not exist |
| 20:56.33 | igro | sorry dbl |
| 20:56.55 | igro | thewanderer1: it does |
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| 20:56.59 | nsadmin | right, see if the dir mentioned in /etc/passwd exists |
| 20:57.31 | nsadmin | is that dir owned by the user? are the permissions on it set such that it can be read and scanned? |
| 20:57.38 | nsadmin | r and x |
| 20:57.39 | mete | not one? :( |
| 20:58.04 | thewanderer1 | mete, it is a tough one, you have to do some research on your system |
| 20:58.16 | nsadmin | mete: too many conversations right now; I'm presently not paying attn to new ones |
| 20:58.27 | thewanderer1 | first, check where this /usr/bin/ucf: line 284: getopt: command not found; originates from, mete |
| 20:59.16 | nsadmin | igro: you still have unanswered questions |
| 20:59.51 | thewanderer1 | mete, apt-get install util-linux |
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| 21:00.09 | thewanderer1 | and really, really read what dpkg tells you when you install packages. |
| 21:00.10 | igro | nsadmin: my home dir is drwxr-xr-x |
| 21:00.24 | aPpYe | nsadmin: you can drop mine! I am satisfied, at least until this business card install is done! |
| 21:00.36 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: it says so: getopt, which is in util-linux |
| 21:00.43 | nsadmin | aPpYe, heh :) thanks :) |
| 21:00.43 | progre55 | sweetpi: well, --make-pidfile seems to be creating the file, but with a different pid in it. any suggestions, please? |
| 21:01.03 | thewanderer1 | progre55: yeah. your daemon fork()s. |
| 21:01.04 | mete | thewanderer1: works, thank you! |
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| 21:01.36 | Bushmills | but as util-linux is Priority: required, the program should be there |
| 21:01.39 | nsadmin | igro: ok, so the next thing to find out, is how exactly are you starting a terminal? which terminal? what commandline args do you provide? |
| 21:01.45 | progre55 | thewanderer1: and what should I do? ) |
| 21:02.05 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: yes, but some ia32 libs remove it, asking the user VERY PROMPTLY about if they want to remove an essential package :) |
| 21:02.13 | igro | nsadmin: just a sec.. |
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| 21:02.34 | thewanderer1 | progre55: use your daemon's facilities for managing pidfiles |
| 21:02.38 | nsadmin | igro: and just to make sure... you can log into that user's acct in some other ways (like ssh for example)? |
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| 21:02.50 | thewanderer1 | progre55: if they don't exist, it's about time you implemented some :P |
| 21:03.00 | progre55 | hmm.. sux ) |
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| 21:03.25 | nsadmin | oh, and: what is the current dir at the time you start the terminal? |
| 21:03.32 | progre55 | thewanderer1: and what if the deamon doesnt fork()? is fork()ing that important? ) |
| 21:03.43 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: very prominently? |
| 21:03.54 | thewanderer1 | progre55: if it doesn't fork() then "I have no explanation for this" |
| 21:04.12 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: his case was a classical case of PEBKAC |
| 21:04.13 | progre55 | thewanderer1: no I mean, is there a way to turn forking off? |
| 21:04.26 | progre55 | thewanderer1: btw, my deamon is autossh, it's in the distros |
| 21:04.30 | thewanderer1 | progre55: no, it is like, essential |
| 21:05.06 | nsadmin | , versions autossh |
| 21:05.08 | judd | autossh -- etch: 1.3-4; lenny: 1.4b-1; sid: 1.4b-4; squeeze: 1.4b-4 |
| 21:05.08 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: or an example of windows conditioning: confirm whatever is displayed |
| 21:05.23 | thewanderer1 | progre55: unless it is single-process and doesn't detach from the terminal |
| 21:05.38 | progre55 | thewanderer1: oh, it's not.. |
| 21:05.58 | nsadmin | then a fork() is probably necessary |
| 21:06.10 | progre55 | let me do some digging into autossh ) |
| 21:06.14 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 21:06.29 | thewanderer1 | I can't believe it doesn't implement a pidfile :P |
| 21:08.03 | nsadmin | recently it was implied here on this channel that godaddy.com is doing things wrong or bad... what's a list of what they're doing? |
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| 21:10.58 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: google for "godaddy <curse-word-here>" or "godaddy sucks" and you'll find it |
| 21:10.59 | igro | nsadmin: seems i found what was wrong, dunno why tho. i have a key combo to fire up gnome-terminal and when i open it this was it goes to /. when i opened it from menu it went to ~. now after i reassigned the command for key binding it opens in ~ as intended. |
| 21:11.18 | thewanderer1 | it was a wrong starting dir in gnome or sth... |
| 21:11.48 | igro | nsadmin: thanks for your guidance |
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| 21:16.17 | nsadmin | igro: you might go back and save our part of the conversation... it's really a more general way of figureing out what a problem might be |
| 21:16.54 | nsadmin | it has "what are the pieces of the problem" and it has "what's in this piece that might be affecting what's going on" |
| 21:17.11 | thewanderer1 | points out that the channel logs are available on the URL visible in the topic |
| 21:18.00 | jordanm | thewanderer1: they are always 1 day behind iirc |
| 21:18.07 | nsadmin | and it has specifics about this particular problem |
| 21:18.28 | thewanderer1 | I can think of several ways to make them as responsive as "dynamic" wikis |
| 21:18.35 | thewanderer1 | huh |
| 21:18.40 | thewanderer1 | sorry, mind slip |
| 21:18.49 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: true |
| 21:19.22 | nsadmin | like a db insert per irc line |
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| 21:20.19 | igro | nsadmin: yepp, saving to a log |
| 21:20.38 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: if my client can handle the load of displaying this all, a decent database server can. after all, what is this? 1 query per 10 seconds? |
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| 21:21.57 | nsadmin | well during a flood that could be a problem... |
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| 21:27.16 | Shact | hey guys. i have an executable text file and when i run it it does some stuff then at the bit where i'm supposed to respond and write something back (it runs in terminal) it closes. How can I stop this? Thanks |
| 21:27.56 | jordanm | Shact: fix your code? |
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| 21:28.26 | Shact | it's not my code |
| 21:28.43 | igro | :D |
| 21:28.53 | Shact | and it's fairly well established, so I figure this isn't a problem with the code |
| 21:29.31 | jordanm | Shact: what is it? |
| 21:29.58 | Shact | i didn't think that terminal could be closed by running code in it, but it manages it consistently. Very annoying |
| 21:30.34 | jordanm | Shact: what is the script? |
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| 21:33.23 | nsadmin | but imagine a system that does do that, which has 2 tables... one, with the content lines per row, timestamp, nick, and a foreign key into a table that holds nick, hostmask, join time, leave time |
| 21:34.18 | jordanm | nsadmin: you could go cheap and easy and just re-upload the text file on 10min intervals or w/e |
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| 21:42.45 | tellurian | is a README.Debian file a requirement for packages to drop into /usr/share/docs/ or is it optional ? |
| 21:43.28 | jordanm | tellurian: optional, usually covers debian sepecifics, or the actual documentation if upstream lacks a proper README |
| 21:43.35 | jordanm | tellurian: there should be mention in nmg |
| 21:43.58 | tellurian | jordanm: nmg ? |
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| 21:44.04 | jordanm | !nmg |
| 21:44.05 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 21:44.31 | tellurian | jordanm: ta :) |
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| 22:21.32 | [Z]davidd | i have a msi-p55-cd53 motherboard and it has only two audio channels, making applications crash that try to open the sound device |
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| 23:03.59 | Gnintendo | I have Debian on a USB devie |
| 23:04.03 | Gnintendo | device* |
| 23:04.13 | Gnintendo | but a computer I'm trying it on |
| 23:04.19 | Gnintendo | won't boot to it |
| 23:04.42 | Gnintendo | it supports booting to USB |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | you installed it to the device, or the installer is on the usb device? |
| 23:04.56 | Gnintendo | installed to USB |
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| 23:05.05 | abrotman | and you have a bootloader on that usb device? |
| 23:05.08 | Gnintendo | I installed GRUB to the MBR |
| 23:05.23 | Gnintendo | and it works on other comps |
| 23:05.42 | Gnintendo | I can't fathom what's wrong with this one though |
| 23:05.50 | odnptf | where does it seem to fail? |
| 23:05.50 | Gnintendo | should I try other ports? |
| 23:05.55 | abrotman | oh, so it's a hardware problem ? |
| 23:06.09 | abrotman | did you check the BIOS to make sure the boot order looks correct? |
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| 23:06.21 | Gnintendo | yes |
| 23:06.34 | Gnintendo | plus I specifically checked booting to USB |
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| 23:06.47 | Gnintendo | and it says selected boot device not available |
| 23:07.27 | odnptf | if you don't get to the grub menu, it's likely a bios problem |
| 23:07.54 | Gnintendo | any ideas on a workaround? |
| 23:08.28 | Gnintendo | I realize this isn't a Linux problem, I'm just wondering if you guys have any ideas? |
| 23:08.51 | kjs_ | you could try using a usb cdrom drive. |
| 23:09.05 | abrotman | Gnintendo: or you could ask ##hardware if they have any ideas |
| 23:09.22 | abrotman | or look for an updated BIOS |
| 23:09.42 | Gnintendo | heh |
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| 23:16.45 | Gnintendo | lolI |
| 23:16.52 | Gnintendo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:17.04 | Gnintendo | and it crashes during BIOS load |
| 23:17.21 | abrotman | yay? |
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| 23:20.17 | ZitZ | hey, i have an HP printer connected to a Linksys printserver, but the HPlip toolbox thing doesn't see it |
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| 23:21.11 | abrotman | runs away fast |
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| 23:23.22 | jordanm | ZitZ: you likely need to set it up manually in cups |
| 23:23.33 | jordanm | ZitZ: I am betting it uses the lpd protocol |
| 23:23.42 | jordanm | lpd/lpr |
| 23:23.56 | ZitZ | yeah, i used system-config-printer, but I have to enter the ip address manually, and since I use dhcp that occaissionally changes |
| 23:24.07 | ZitZ | is there no way to do it by name and not by ip address? |
| 23:24.17 | jordanm | ZitZ: do you have a local dns server? |
| 23:24.45 | jordanm | ZitZ: I would recommend configuring it with a static address, as that is the sensible thing to do for servers |
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| 23:25.15 | ZitZ | i can configure just the print server to be static? |
| 23:25.37 | jordanm | ZitZ: if the print server supports it, yes |
| 23:26.33 | ZitZ | and i do think i have a local dns server, but networking has never been a strong suit for me, I never bothered too much with it, which isn't good i guess |
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| 23:30.04 | aPpYe | okay, back to my rolling release question. If I want my "testing" machine to stay "rolling release" I would want to replace the work "squeeze" with the word "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list, right? |
| 23:30.15 | ZitZ | yes |
| 23:30.25 | aPpYe | ZitZ: that was for me? |
| 23:30.37 | ZitZ | yes, lol sorry |
| 23:30.55 | themill | aPpYe: just remember that all hell ususally breaks loose just after a release. |
| 23:31.24 | ZitZ | yeah, before during and after a freeze, things suck a bit, lol |
| 23:31.26 | aPpYe | themill: in what way? Huge package installation/uninstallations? |
| 23:32.53 | themill | aPpYe: immediately following the squeeze release, there will probably be a new kernel, xorg, gnome, kde, gcc and who knows what else all hit "testing" and with that much turnover, they probably won't get a lot of actual testing prior to migration. |
| 23:33.50 | gusto | someone knows how to get xscreensaver inhibit during mplayer plays video? |
| 23:33.58 | gusto | xscreensaver-disable doesnt work |
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| 23:34.57 | aPpYe | themill: why wouldn't it have hit a bit sooner, seeing as how testing is supposed to be more or less "rolling release" ? |
| 23:35.57 | themill | aPpYe: we want to release squeeze at some stage. To do so means we need to stop uploading new version and fix the bugs in the pcakges that are already there. |
| 23:36.00 | ZitZ | they "freeze" testing and only bug fixes are uploaded, until it is considered stable, then testing is made stable, then all the new packaages from Sid hit testing at once after that |
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| 23:36.41 | aPpYe | themill: ah I gotcha. So squeeze gets frozen a few months or so before release then. Not years or anything, right? |
| 23:37.05 | ZitZ | nope, but sometimes it seems like years, lol |
| 23:37.09 | aPpYe | so the rolling release gets a bit behind then. |
| 23:37.12 | themill | aPpYe: the more bugs you fix, the faster it will be released |
| 23:37.38 | aPpYe | how long does testing stay frozen, typically? |
| 23:37.43 | ZitZ | its a pretty good compromise from what would be considered a true rolling release |
| 23:38.26 | themill | dpkg: tell aPpYe about release history |
| 23:39.39 | aPpYe | I don't remember the character "squeeze" ... |
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| 23:40.25 | thewanderer1 | it's the green alien toy |
| 23:40.45 | aPpYe | ahh that's riht. |
| 23:41.46 | ZitZ | btw, thanks jordanm, i got it working i think |
| 23:41.53 | thewanderer1 | if I am free to choose any graphics card for Debian, which one should it be? |
| 23:42.12 | ZitZ | would anyone here happen to have saved the old 64 bit version of flash? |
| 23:42.13 | Bushmills | 3 eyed stubby guy |
| 23:42.22 | thewanderer1 | (to be put in a PCI-Express slot or so) |
| 23:42.54 | thewanderer1 | ZitZ: no, we tried hard, but it didn't make it. the old version had security flaws... use the 32-bit wrapper hack |
| 23:43.05 | Bushmills | it is rumoured that toy story 3 wsa produced mainly because debian needs new characters |
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| 23:43.18 | ZitZ | why do you say you tried hard? |
| 23:43.35 | thewanderer1 | it was a word play on saving flash |
| 23:44.18 | ZitZ | (the 32 bit hack doesn't work with pulseaudio properly) |
| 23:44.23 | thewanderer1 | still, there are many people who got the same idea, but everyone is deterred by the security vulnerabilities - I think you should be too |
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| 23:45.02 | aPpYe | coming from archlinux, and this being my first debian install on a virtualmachine, I am really liking this preconfigured goodness. I would, however, like to install it without some redundant apps like abiword, epiphany, etc. I did not chose the advanced installer, and I will try it next, will this give me what I want out of the box? |
| 23:45.03 | ZitZ | i disagree, i'm not afraid of someone taking control of my computer through flash |
| 23:46.11 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: you can choose individual packages in the expert installer. besides, what experienced users do is install the base system only and then use apt-get to install a fine-grained selection of packages |
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| 23:47.11 | themill | aPpYe: just remove them now and they're gone. Select nothing at the "tasksel" stage other than "Standard task" and then add in what you need afterwards. |
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| 23:47.29 | Tookiewan | is it safe to perform rm -rf /var/log and rm -rf /var/cache ?? |
| 23:47.32 | aPpYe | thewanderer1: that is what I have always done in arch ... if I do the fine-grained route, will I lose a lot of the preconfigured goodness I am noticing on the debian desktop? For example, in arch, (with gnome) I have to manually change pdf files to open with evince, otherwise they open with gimp. |
| 23:47.34 | zebradog | . |
| 23:47.44 | zebradog | Tookiewan, ? |
| 23:48.04 | Tookiewan | will this mess up my debian install |
| 23:48.05 | zebradog | Tookiewan, why is that even an issue? |
| 23:48.06 | aguitel | aPpYe, after install base system (with net install for example) install gnome-core gdm xorg |
| 23:48.10 | aPpYe | themill: understood, but I am wanting to build systems from the ground up. |
| 23:48.17 | themill | Tookiewan: you got your answer on oftc already |
| 23:48.23 | Tookiewan | zebradog: because i want to delete the log |
| 23:48.27 | Tookiewan | themill: no i didnt |
| 23:48.40 | Tookiewan | themill: thats why i left oftc |
| 23:48.47 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: the installer does nothing besides installing the packages - it does not do any more preconfiguration magic than apt-get would do |
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| 23:49.01 | aPpYe | well, put it this way, if I install gnome-core gdm xorg ... then install evince, will the system automatically know what to do with a pdf? |
| 23:49.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 23:49.16 | aguitel | yes |
| 23:49.20 | Tookiewan | so, would i be safe to perform rm -rf /var/log and rm -rf /var/cache ? |
| 23:49.40 | Lovecraft | nope .. |
| 23:49.41 | zebradog | Apeiron`, you do rt-click and then check a .pdf files property association, to see if evince is binded |
| 23:50.09 | thewanderer1 | zebradog: wrong autocomplete :D |
| 23:50.42 | zebradog | aPpYe, i wont autocomplete weird names, ^^^ |
| 23:50.42 | zebradog | :p |
| 23:51.13 | thewanderer1 | hint: autocomplete should work when you type lowercase names, too - it's case insensitive in some clients |
| 23:51.27 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: in fact, I install all my systems with apt-get due to the cumbersomeness of the installer and the lack of a CD drive. I can say that this dpkg/apt-get magic is working pretty well, typing from a desktop system built this way now |
| 23:51.33 | achury1 | What is the lenny cd including the usb_modeswitch package? |
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| 23:52.23 | aPpYe | lol ... no one has ever complained to me about my aPpYe ... |
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| 23:55.55 | Tookiewan | this isnt working anyways |
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| 23:55.58 | Tookiewan | you gave me bad advice |
| 23:56.11 | aPpYe | cool. I am gonna go home and ask you guys a bunch of questions. |
| 23:56.16 | Tookiewan | you cant preseed mysql the way you had me do |
| 23:57.04 | themill | Tookiewan: umm... you posted a link and said "will this work" and you were told "something like that should work, you should try it out yourself". |
| 23:57.14 | Tookiewan | themill: and i did |
| 23:57.25 | Tookiewan | themill: i offered to have you guys look at my script |
| 23:57.34 | Tookiewan | to see SPECIFICALLY what i tried |
| 23:57.55 | themill | Tookiewan: the only way of checking it would be to do it ourselves. And you can do that yourself.f |
| 23:58.07 | Tookiewan | thmill: I DID |
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| 23:58.14 | Tookiewan | themill: AND IT DIDNT |
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| 23:58.27 | Bushmills | tough luck |
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| 23:58.48 | Tookiewan | Bushmills: very constructive |
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| 23:59.41 | Bushmills | did you expect any different? |
| 23:59.45 | themill | Tookiewan: so fix your mistake and try again. Seriously, you were pointed to the documentation and the tools. Shouting at me isn't going to convince me to pre-chew the documentation for you, it will just get you ignored. |
