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| 00:02.22 | themill | Tookiewan: please take a break from #debian and use that time to reflect on your interactions with the volunteers who might otherwise help you. |
| 00:02.37 | themill | Tookiewan: reading some documentation during this time might be good too. |
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| 00:03.15 | Apeiron` | It's funny how I get highlighted all the time by mistabs |
| 00:03.31 | high-rez | I don't find it at all funny, Aperiod. Not at all. |
| 00:03.41 | high-rez | Err, I messed that one up |
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| 00:03.52 | high-rez | :) |
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| 01:18.59 | simplechat | when i run mount.nfs it returns "No such device", when i give it -v it is trying the ip given however it doesn't connect |
| 01:19.13 | simplechat | other devices connect fine, including the same machine booted to a different os (dual booted, same kernel in both) |
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| 01:32.27 | eikenberry | How is dotdeb.org's reputation? I've seen it mentioned here and there in tutorials but was wondering how well maintained the packages are in its repos? |
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| 01:33.03 | jordanm | eikenberry: not very goot |
| 01:33.06 | jordanm | !dotdeb |
| 01:33.06 | dpkg | it has been said that dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | eikenberry: I wouldn't use them |
| 01:34.43 | eikenberry | Any general suggestions on a fast-cgi server for use with php/nginx? I was looking at php-fpm. |
| 01:35.46 | eikenberry | I'm aware of lighty's spawn-fcgi, but read the former was better. |
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| 01:39.18 | manchot | after setting up openvpn, I got this error in the log: Unroutable control packet received from (IP) |
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| 01:39.51 | manchot | I can ping the openvpn server 10.8.0.1 but can't visit any other IP or Domain name. |
| 01:40.09 | jordanm | manchot: I recommend #openvpn |
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| 01:41.02 | SARC2 | hello? |
| 01:41.42 | SARC2 | good... im having some problems getting debconf-set-selections working from a script... specifically with an apt-get install of mysql-server |
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| 01:42.32 | abrotman | SARC2: do not evade the ban, thank you. |
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| 01:43.16 | abrotman | made a booboo |
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| 01:43.47 | Xenguy | abrotman: that's impossible |
| 01:43.51 | Xenguy | :-) |
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| 01:44.11 | abrotman | it's the other network he's still banned on! |
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| 01:48.18 | SARC2 | debconf-set-selections is used to auto-answer questions when installing packages, is that right? |
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| 01:49.34 | jordanm | SARC2: yes |
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| 01:50.23 | jordanm | SARC2: are you Tookiewan? |
| 01:50.54 | SARC2 | jordanm: and to use it with mysqlserver, the correct syntax appears to be: echo "mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password select foo" | debconf-set-selections, correct? |
| 01:51.20 | manchot | what do you call a channel text short cut like !tellme? |
| 01:51.28 | manchot | is there a proper name for this? |
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| 01:51.38 | jordanm | SARC2: haven't tried, but I doubt it, since mysql-server is not a real package |
| 01:51.52 | SARC2 | the package name is mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:51.53 | jordanm | manchot: a bot "factoid" |
| 01:51.58 | SARC2 | as far as i can tell |
| 01:52.07 | manchot | jordanm, thank you |
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| 01:52.40 | abrotman | manchot: shortcut? :) |
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| 01:56.45 | SARC2 | do i need to install anything special for debconf-set-selections to work? |
| 01:57.29 | jordanm | SARC2: are you sure it will read from stdin like that? |
| 01:57.52 | SARC2 | jordanm: ive tried it from script and also from commandline |
| 01:58.23 | jordanm | SARC2: it doesn't matter where you tried it from... if it doesn't accept input from stdin |
| 01:58.35 | jordanm | SARC2: eg. try to pipe text to text editor such as nano |
| 02:00.22 | SARC2 | jordan: im not exactly understanding what you are saying... pipe the command to a text editor? |
| 02:01.08 | SARC2 | echo "mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password select foo" | debconf-set-selections | pico |
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| 02:04.09 | mister_m | how do I add something to my path |
| 02:04.28 | abrotman | such as? |
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| 02:04.53 | mister_m | ~/x/y |
| 02:04.58 | SARC2 | jordanm: is that what you meant? |
| 02:05.05 | jordanm | mister_m: PATH=/new/path:"$PATH" |
| 02:05.14 | abrotman | PATH=$PATH:~/x/y/ |
| 02:05.36 | mister_m | thanks. |
| 02:05.38 | jordanm | SARC2: no, I was just trying to get you to understand how not all application will accept input from stdin, which is what you are doing with the pipeline |
| 02:06.01 | jordanm | abrotman: quote your expansions! |
| 02:06.16 | SARC2 | jordanm: i see, every example i found online was exactly the way i have it |
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| 02:06.33 | jordanm | SARC2: then I would assume that it does |
| 02:06.51 | SARC2 | for some reason it doesnt like me :( |
| 02:07.53 | SARC2 | someone earlier suggested debconf-communicate ... how could that help? |
| 02:08.06 | jordanm | SARC2: alright, you have been trying for a while now, I will test |
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| 02:09.00 | SARC2 | man says debconf-set-selections works with stdin |
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| 02:09.48 | sweetpi | SARC2: mysql-server/root_password is not a select, its a string |
| 02:09.51 | thepro4e1er | how can I form a command to compare the tmp directories on two remote linux machines? |
| 02:09.53 | something15525 | how does one change to dvorak from qwerty? i was going to use dvorak7min as a typing tutor to learn dvorak |
| 02:10.13 | jordanm | SARC2: I just tested, and it wants confirmation of the password, so it seems that works, but is not enough |
| 02:10.37 | sweetpi | yes, you also need root_password_again set |
| 02:10.45 | SARC2 | jordanm: the second command is root_password_again |
| 02:10.48 | SARC2 | yes |
| 02:11.04 | SARC2 | and you did echo like i had? |
| 02:11.34 | SARC2 | sweetpi, did i get somethign wrong/ |
| 02:11.41 | sweetpi | SARC2: are you getting an error or is it just not preseeding the password? |
| 02:12.03 | SARC2 | it seems to not be preseeding because when i try to log in after its installed, it wont let me in |
| 02:12.19 | jordanm | SARC2: echo "mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server/root_password select foo" | debconf-set-selections; echo "mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server/root_password_again select foo" | debconf-set-selections; aptitude -y install mysql-server-5.1 |
| 02:12.19 | SARC2 | either with the pasword i thought it was preseeded with, or no-password |
| 02:12.24 | jordanm | SARC2: that worked for me |
| 02:12.39 | sweetpi | SARC2: you need to use string as the variable type iirc |
| 02:12.44 | jordanm | (change to 5.0) |
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| 02:13.09 | thepro4e1er | how can I form a command to compare the tmp directories on two remote linux machines? |
| 02:13.43 | abrotman | diff can compare two dirs |
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| 02:14.01 | SARC2 | i have it as... echo "mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password select foo" | debconf-set-selections |
| 02:14.13 | SARC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.26 | jordanm | SARC2: works for me |
| 02:14.26 | SARC2 | but i do an apt-get install mysqlserver |
| 02:14.40 | SARC2 | so i need to do only apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:14.48 | SARC2 | and all of the other dependencies separately? |
| 02:14.48 | jordanm | SARC2: look at the command I gave... replace the version and password and use it |
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| 02:15.06 | SARC2 | jordan, i did look at it, and i replaced it 5.0 |
| 02:15.13 | jordanm | SARC2: mysql-server package does nothing other than pull mysql-server-<version> |
| 02:15.35 | something15525 | how does one change to dvorak from qwerty? i was going to use dvorak7min as a typing tutor to learn dvorak |
| 02:15.39 | jordanm | SARC2: the packages pulled as depends and recommends are depends and recommends of mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:16.06 | SARC2 | but debconf doesnt care that im pullign it down from mysql-server (generic)? |
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| 02:16.34 | jordanm | SARC2: mysql-server is NOT a real package and it does NOT have a debconf |
| 02:16.46 | SARC2 | i know that |
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| 02:17.04 | bluejeans | good evening all... i am trying to purge some packages from my system.. 'aptitude purge x' purges 'x' and deps but leaves the recommends.. how do i remove the recommends as well? |
| 02:17.06 | jordanm | SARC2: and really, there is no point to install mysql-server instead of mysql-server-5.0, except for when upgrading to a new release |
| 02:17.20 | SARC2 | you have to specify mysql-server-5.0 in the echo to debconf-set-selections |
| 02:17.51 | jordanm | bluejeans: aptitude will remove the automatically if they are "automatically installed", which means they were pulled in by another package |
| 02:17.52 | abrotman | well, he should install it, but the debconf against it won't help |
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| 02:18.29 | SARC2 | (im doing this on a clean install of debian base system) |
| 02:18.47 | jordanm | SARC2: why are you not using preseeding? |
| 02:18.59 | SARC2 | as part of the netinstall disc? |
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| 02:19.11 | jordanm | !preseed |
| 02:19.11 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 02:19.28 | SARC2 | i tried that and failed miserably |
| 02:19.38 | jordanm | SARC2: you are doing a two step of install OS -> install packages you want. you can do both at the same time |
| 02:19.41 | jordanm | SARC2: I can imagine... |
| 02:19.47 | SARC2 | so the next best thing is a base install and a script to install necessary packages |
| 02:20.09 | jordanm | SARC2: but you having difficulty, even after I tested a working example for you? |
| 02:20.35 | SARC2 | you dont seem to be understanding what i am doing |
| 02:20.45 | SARC2 | i performed the following: |
| 02:20.46 | jordanm | SARC2: I understand exactly what you are doing |
| 02:21.00 | jordanm | SARC2: an unattended mysql installation from a script |
| 02:21.02 | SARC2 | echo "mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password select foo" | debconf-set-selections |
| 02:21.06 | SARC2 | echo "mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password_again select foo" | debconf-set-selections |
| 02:21.14 | SARC2 | apt-get install -y mysql-server |
| 02:21.23 | jordanm | SARC2: works for me... |
| 02:21.42 | bluejeans | jordanm: umm.. ok thanks. i thought that's what i was doing but i'd better go have another try |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | except that ... using mysql part :) |
| 02:21.58 | SARC2 | so the debconf-set-selections should answer for mysql-server-5.0m correct? |
| 02:22.02 | jordanm | abrotman: I used it... |
| 02:22.18 | something15525 | how does one change to dvorak from qwerty? i was going to use dvorak7min as a typing tutor to learn dvorak |
| 02:22.34 | SARC2 | (5.0 not 5.0m) |
| 02:23.54 | sweetpi | something15525: man loadkeys or change your keyboard layout variant in gui. and !repeat |
| 02:24.40 | SARC2 | i would think that debconf-set-selections should answer for mysql-server-5.0 even though i do a generic apt-get install mysqlserver |
| 02:24.53 | SARC2 | since mysql-server-5.0 is a package installed |
| 02:25.08 | something15525 | sweetpi: thanks and sorry about that |
| 02:25.37 | SARC2 | is there a command to check the debconf database to see if the settings went in? |
| 02:26.06 | sweetpi | SARC2: maybe it wont set the password since mysql has already been setup on the machine? |
| 02:26.24 | SARC2 | sweetpi: this is a clean install of mysql |
| 02:27.06 | sweetpi | SARC2: are you deleting all the initial datbases mysql-server sets up after each try? |
| 02:27.07 | SARC2 | is it /var/cache/debconf/config.dat? |
| 02:27.42 | SARC2 | sweetpi: every time i try i do it from a base install, no mysql-server installed |
| 02:28.37 | SARC2 | the /var/cache/debconf/config.dat shows mysql-server/root_password's value as blank |
| 02:30.23 | SARC2 | but it exists in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat-old |
| 02:30.29 | SARC2 | what could be causing that? |
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| 02:40.21 | SARC2 | jordanm: would you be willing to take a peek at my little script? |
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| 02:40.40 | SARC2 | maybe i have something else wrong that is causing the problem |
| 02:41.08 | aPpYe_ | okay, so easiest way to install on my netbook? No cdrom drive. I tried unetbootin, but it seems to take me right into the default installer. I wanted to play with the advanced installer. |
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| 02:41.53 | abrotman | you can tell it you want expert mode .. but you probably really don't want that |
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| 02:51.02 | SARC2 | ok i found the solution |
| 02:51.09 | SARC2 | do you want to hear it? |
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| 02:51.37 | sweetpi | yes |
| 02:51.59 | SARC2 | ok apparently setting the values using the echo command works |
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| 02:52.13 | SARC2 | but doing an apt-get install mysql-server |
| 02:52.20 | SARC2 | rewrites the values to null |
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| 02:52.46 | SARC2 | and the passwords stored by the echo move to the debconf/config.dat-old |
| 02:53.37 | SARC2 | i repeated this twice |
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| 02:54.34 | MACscr | can i install a local deb with aptitude? |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | no |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | well, you can setup a local repo, but i don't think that's what you're asking |
| 02:54.58 | SARC2 | sweetpi: did that make sense? |
| 02:55.10 | sweetpi | SARC2: Yes, I wonder if using aptitude, or specifying the version would have worked any differently |
| 02:55.17 | MACscr | anyway to have a install a deb and have it prompt to install dependencies? |
| 02:55.30 | SARC2 | im going to try again with apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:55.35 | something15525 | where are the .map keyboard files locate so i can use loadkeys to change between qwerty and dvorak? |
| 02:56.21 | SARC2 | but thats not good for a script because mysql-server-5.0 wont always be the default version installed by debian |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | MACscr: dpkg -i foo.deb ; aptitude -f install .. when it wants to remove it at hte first prompt, hit 'n', then usually the second one will do it |
| 02:56.45 | sweetpi | something15525: it tells you at the bottom of the man page |
| 02:57.01 | SARC2 | sweetpi: i think id classify this as a bug |
| 02:57.02 | something15525 | sweetpi: lol thank you |
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| 02:57.33 | Arrowmaster | abrotman: i thought gdebi could be used from the cmdline to do that? |
| 02:57.33 | sweetpi | SARC2: sounds like it |
| 02:57.47 | something15525 | sweetpi: it says /usr/share/keymaps, there is not /usr/share/keymaps folder on my computer. ? |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: he asked about aptitude? |
| 02:57.54 | Arrowmaster | true |
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| 02:58.24 | holycow | *hmmm* if i'm user1, and i add my self to group www-data, then i cd to a folder with rw perms for www-data group, why might i not be able to create folders there? |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | did you relogin first? |
| 02:59.08 | sweetpi | something15525: they come with console-data |
| 02:59.22 | holycow | yeah, log out, ssh back in |
| 02:59.30 | something15525 | sweetpi: i'll give that a try |
| 02:59.42 | holycow | when i do id i see my self in the group and the folder is drwxr-xr-x ... odd |
| 02:59.44 | sweetpi | something15525: it should already be installed |
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| 03:00.48 | MACscr | is gdebi gui only? |
| 03:01.01 | holycow | that is its point yes |
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| 03:01.06 | something15525 | sweetpi: it was not installed, just installed it. apparently the keymaps was set to kernel default |
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| 03:01.41 | MACscr | whats the console equivalent? sorry, just going off a howto for a app im trying to get installed |
| 03:01.49 | holycow | apt-get |
| 03:01.51 | holycow | or dpkg |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | MACscr: i just told you how |
| 03:01.55 | rking | holycow: Wait... that directory doesn't have group write permissions. |
| 03:02.05 | holycow | oh for f's sake |
| 03:02.09 | MACscr | abrotman: sry, different situation =P |
| 03:02.18 | holycow | rking thank you ... FACEPALM |
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| 03:02.45 | rking | holycow: I had to look at everything you said ~5 times to make sure I wasn't missing something before I said that. =) |
| 03:03.30 | holycow | dude, i've been staring at this for a while, man oh man |
| 03:04.08 | something15525 | how do u use dpkg to reconfigure a package? |
| 03:04.21 | holycow | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:04.36 | something15525 | lolk thanks |
| 03:05.01 | holycow | yeah no sweat |
| 03:06.28 | something15525 | now that i install console-data, i tried switching to dvorak and it can't find the dvorak keymap |
| 03:06.42 | something15525 | says Looking for keymap to install: dvorak |
| 03:07.10 | holycow | i don't really know anything about keymaps tho :/ |
| 03:07.21 | SARC2 | sweetpi: tried again with apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 and it worked |
| 03:07.26 | SARC2 | so its definately a bug |
| 03:07.43 | something15525 | holycow: thanks anyway, i'm sure somebody here does |
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| 03:09.10 | sweetpi | SARC2: Im not sure that it would be considered a bug, since the actual name of the package thats asking for the password is mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 03:10.00 | sweetpi | something15525: see if the file exists |
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| 03:10.47 | SARC2 | well why then does /var/cache/debconf/config.dat get wiped out when you do apt-get install mysql-server as opposed to apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 03:11.05 | SARC2 | when, mysql-server is, in effect, mysql-server-5.0? |
| 03:11.32 | krisfremen | hmmm |
| 03:11.46 | krisfremen | can aptitude just remove a package without actually removing what it installs? |
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| 03:12.20 | sweetpi | SARC2: Im not saying I dony think its a bug, im just saying the devs might not consider it one. I'd do a bit more research on it then file a bug report |
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| 03:14.33 | something15525 | sweetpi: i found the dvorak.kmap.gz file. when i load it, it does not change, do i need to restart or something? |
| 03:15.12 | rking | something15525: Definitely don't need to restart |
| 03:15.22 | rking | something15525: Any reason why you're not just using X? |
| 03:15.26 | something15525 | rking: maybe restart x? |
| 03:15.52 | something15525 | rking: i am using x |
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| 03:16.00 | rking | something15525: Nope, no restarting anything is necessary. |
| 03:16.18 | something15525 | rking: is there an easier way to do this inside of x? |
| 03:16.21 | rking | something15525: OK, then loadkeys and dvorak.kmap.gz are not right---that's console. |
| 03:16.42 | sweetpi | something15525: i told you it could be done from the gui |
| 03:16.56 | something15525 | sweetpi: sorry i must have missed that, how can that be done? |
| 03:17.03 | something15525 | sweetpi: how is that done* |
| 03:18.09 | sweetpi | something15525: change your keyboard layout variant in System > Prefs > Keyboard > Layout |
| 03:18.21 | something15525 | sweetpi: i am using LXDE |
| 03:18.39 | rking | something15525: Google for lxde dvorak |
| 03:18.43 | sweetpi | no idea then :p |
| 03:18.43 | something15525 | sweetpi: also, do i even need the console-data package for gui changes? |
| 03:18.45 | something15525 | rking: kay |
| 03:19.13 | sweetpi | something15525: not sure, I thought it was installed by default |
| 03:19.27 | something15525 | it wasn't, so i probably don't need it? |
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| 03:19.42 | sweetpi | something15525: i doubt it |
| 03:19.56 | rking | something15525: I think it just boils down to: setxkbmap -layout dvorak and setxkbmap -layout us to come back. |
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| 03:20.13 | something15525 | rking: i was just reading that on a forum. i'll give it a try |
| 03:21.00 | something15525 | rking: that seems to have worked |
| 03:21.02 | rking | something15525: For what it's worth, I dvorak'd for about 3 years, and did prefer it by a small margin, but in the end I went back to Qwerty to regain the ability to quickly type on everyone else's terminal. |
| 03:21.25 | sweetpi | something15525: id suggest figuring out how to change it back via gui if you dont actually know dvorak :) |
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| 03:21.36 | rking | something15525: There is a really good pair of shell functions here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/03/msg04279.html |
| 03:21.49 | something15525 | sweetpi: yes i already thought that through |
| 03:21.51 | rking | sweetpi: sink or swim! |
| 03:21.52 | something15525 | rking: thanks! |
| 03:23.05 | something15525 | time to learn dvorak! anybody know any better typing tutors than dvorak7min? |
| 03:23.25 | SARC2 | sweetpi: i sent a bug report |
| 03:23.39 | SARC2 | hope they get it |
| 03:24.08 | aPpYe_ | okay, before I dive into debian, how does it handle config file changes when running updates/upgrades? In archlinux I am used to using pacdiffviewer provided by the yaourt package. It displays the new and the old config files side by side with vimdiff. |
| 03:24.11 | sweetpi | SARC2: whats the link? |
| 03:24.24 | SARC2 | i did it through reportbug |
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| 03:38.23 | holycow | aPpYe_: i'm not familiar with what archlinux does but that sounds like something we don't have |
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| 03:38.59 | holycow | dpkg just upgrades everything. you will get a prompt to either keep yoru settings or use the authors suggested settings for some packages, but in general your selttins will stay the same wherever it seems reasonable which is for most packages |
| 03:38.59 | dpkg | holycow: I think you lost me on that one |
| 03:39.06 | holycow | zing! |
| 03:39.09 | holycow | :) |
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| 03:39.45 | gnarface | test |
| 03:39.55 | gnarface | for the record |
| 03:40.17 | gnarface | i'm sorry about my behavior the other day, and i am ashamed that i was being an ass. it won't happen again. |
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| 03:59.07 | kervizic | hello i have a probleme with my wifi i is down and i don't can up |
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| 04:02.55 | kervizic | http://pastebin.com/kFTdH10w |
| 04:04.19 | gnarface | kervizic: out of curiosity, could you show me a pastebin of your /etc/network/interfaces file and then try "ifup wlan0" to see what that does? |
| 04:05.52 | kervizic | gnarface, Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. and i've not configured my interfaces file |
| 04:07.18 | kervizic | he are nor a problem with amd64 architecture ? the ubuntu driver worck perfectly in i386 (sorry for my bad english im french) |
| 04:08.50 | gnarface | kervizic: we can forgive you for being french ;) i would assume the problem is simply that either 1) you are missing a key debian package that ubuntu had already installed manually or 2) your iwconfig line is wrong or 3) your /etc/network/interfaces file needs to be configured (ubuntu may have done this for you automatically) |
| 04:09.10 | gnarface | s/manually/automatically |
| 04:09.21 | reisio | kervizic: apologies for not speaking French |
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| 04:11.33 | kervizic | thank you too kind:p ok but i can up a connection without Interfaces configuration right ? |
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| 04:12.19 | gnarface | kervizic: yes but personally i find that more difficult |
| 04:13.09 | kervizic | i see for the first suggest |
| 04:16.40 | gnarface | kervizic: without the /etc/network/interfaces file having at least "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" in it you would need to specify a lot more than just "power on" to get the wlan0 device up, i think |
| 04:17.36 | twiggz | hmm |
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| 04:18.05 | twiggz | my eeepc is now a paperweight. |
| 04:18.09 | gnarface | twiggz: do you know iwconfig commands well? is "power on" even appropriate syntax? |
| 04:18.12 | twiggz | 1005hab |
| 04:18.26 | gnarface | twiggz: oh no!! |
| 04:18.33 | twiggz | its going back to asus. those bastards. |
| 04:18.41 | twiggz | i might get it back in a few months. |
| 04:19.15 | twiggz | its well within warranty atleast. |
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| 04:19.37 | gnarface | twiggz: their motherboards have never failed me though they tend to put very buggy bioses in the new hardware and wait to patch for a few months. how did your eeepc fail? |
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| 04:20.01 | twiggz | my belief that you can buy quality hardware these days is rapidly diminishing... |
| 04:20.38 | twiggz | gnarface: i have no idea...one day it booted fine...the next it didnt...no clue...it wont power on now at all. |
| 04:21.11 | twiggz | no updates |
| 04:21.13 | twiggz | no nothing |
| 04:21.16 | twiggz | no changes |
| 04:21.20 | gnarface | twiggz: got a volt meter? maybe test the outlet and the power dongle? |
| 04:21.26 | twiggz | just one day it boots...the next it didnt. |
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| 04:21.51 | twiggz | gnarface: ive tried to plug it in at the neighbors house. its not a power issue. |
| 04:21.56 | twiggz | lol |
| 04:22.02 | gnarface | twiggz: or wiggle the power plug :-/ maybe just a damaged connection? |
| 04:22.18 | twiggz | if thats the case even....it needs to go for repairs. |
| 04:22.49 | gnarface | true |
| 04:23.12 | twiggz | the number 1 rated netbook just shit on me. |
| 04:23.24 | twiggz | i am highly pissed off. |
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| 04:23.33 | reisio | twiggz: which'n? |
| 04:23.45 | twiggz | i could have built another dual core desktop for that 300 bucks. |
| 04:23.57 | iluminator101 | hey is debian squeeze final expected to be released by end of this month? |
| 04:24.11 | gnarface | !squeeze |
| 04:24.11 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 04:24.14 | twiggz | reisio: i bought the eeepc 1005hab 4 months ago..maybe 5. |
| 04:24.37 | reisio | $300, that's a lot for a netbook |
| 04:25.13 | twiggz | thats what i paid at best buy for a new 1005hab asus eeepc |
| 04:25.14 | gnarface | hmm. i don't know the bot command for the snarky remark about squeeze, iluminator101 but i think you'll find trouble getting anyone to tell you that it will be released at any other time other than "when it's ready" - personally i'd put my money on before the end of the year at least, though. it seems to be getting quite stable |
| 04:25.35 | twiggz | it was actually 299 bucks + tax |
| 04:25.40 | twiggz | so over 300 |
| 04:26.32 | holycow | did you get without an os or did you pay the ms tax? |
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| 04:26.59 | twiggz | yea, it came with the stupid MS win 7 starter. I wiped it first thing. |
| 04:27.02 | twiggz | lol |
| 04:27.10 | holycow | so microsoft wins again |
| 04:27.13 | kervizic | twiggz, the power all have the same response |
| 04:27.20 | holycow | you buy a machine and 30 bucks from your pocket goes to them |
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| 04:28.08 | twiggz | i dont care where my damn money goes, quit being jerkoffs. I care that I bought a piece of hardware and it doesnt work. I dont give two left nuts about where it goes. |
| 04:28.32 | twiggz | I just want it to work like I paid for it to work. |
| 04:28.43 | twiggz | That is not to much to ask. |
| 04:29.01 | twiggz | And lets not have any of that dumbass elitest anti MS crap... |
| 04:29.13 | iluminator101 | can you buy a laptop without the ms tax....from a mainstream company |
| 04:29.19 | twiggz | I should not have started a sentence with "and". |
| 04:29.21 | twiggz | sorry. |
| 04:29.35 | jpinx-eeepc | iluminator101: yes - giyf |
| 04:29.56 | iluminator101 | giyf??? |
| 04:30.05 | jpinx-eeepc | !giyf |
| 04:30.06 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend. http://google.com/linux |
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| 04:30.17 | holycow | that is fine, it is your perogative |
| 04:30.27 | twiggz | it doesnt matter either way, now i am not impressed with the eeepc |
| 04:30.29 | twiggz | at all |
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| 04:30.49 | holycow | i didn't read the rest of your post, i was just curious why anyone would give ms money for free |
| 04:30.54 | twiggz | ive already had to buy a new battery for it...since thats not under warranty |
| 04:30.58 | holycow | what is the problem, it doesn't work? |
| 04:31.01 | twiggz | and now its a paperweight. |
| 04:31.07 | twiggz | it doesnt even power up |
| 04:31.12 | twiggz | its a POS. |
| 04:31.22 | holycow | oh i see |
| 04:31.23 | twiggz | doesnt even try to power up. |
| 04:31.25 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: so what is your specific problem now? |
| 04:31.41 | holycow | well its yoru fault for not caring or not knowying what you bought |
| 04:31.49 | holycow | and for screwing yoru warranty |
| 04:32.03 | twiggz | oh, the fact that my 1005hab went from booting fine and no problems yesterday to today not even wanting to power up? |
| 04:32.08 | twiggz | Id say that was a problem. |
| 04:32.14 | twiggz | or is...sorry. |
| 04:32.29 | twiggz | no updates or changes |
| 04:32.34 | holycow | didn't you appologize earlier for being a dink or something? |
| 04:32.35 | holycow | who was that |
| 04:32.40 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: guess what I'm on ;) |
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| 04:32.56 | twiggz | jpinx-eeepc: not hard to guess. |
| 04:33.05 | holycow | look, this isn't #touchyfeel or #twiggzpersonalbitchsession |
| 04:33.13 | twiggz | sorry, mine didnt even last 4 months. |
| 04:33.13 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: did you try taking the battery out for an hour? |
| 04:33.18 | holycow | can you take yoru complaining about your poor purchasing choices elsewhere? |
| 04:33.41 | twiggz | its been out for an hour...ill try to boot it now. i bet it doesnt work. |
| 04:33.45 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: don't apologise, it's a bugger when it just dies completely |
| 04:34.15 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: and go to #bedian-eeepc in oftc |
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| 04:34.25 | holycow | yes please do that |
| 04:34.28 | jpinx-eeepc | that's #debian-eeepc |
| 04:34.58 | jpinx-eeepc | holycow: might have suggested that earlier ;) |
| 04:35.03 | aPpYe_ | akay, so I am going to do a base install and then start building up like I normally do in arch. I figure I will go with a basic gnome desktop with networkmanager installed. What should I install? |
| 04:35.25 | gnarface | holycow: that was me who apologized earlier. please don't confuse me with twiggz. i'll point out that i was +q'd after far less ranting than him though.... |
| 04:35.35 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: depends on what the box is for - server? desktop? laptop? |
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| 04:36.20 | holycow | gnarface: my appolgoies |
| 04:36.42 | twiggz | ok jpinx-eeepc ...wtf |
| 04:36.49 | twiggz | whats the 1 hour thing |
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| 04:36.59 | twiggz | why the fuyck does that matter? |
| 04:37.00 | jpinx-eeepc | that #debian-eeepc |
| 04:37.03 | twiggz | it boots now. |
| 04:37.06 | holycow | can an op encourage twiggz to shut the hell up? |
| 04:37.08 | holycow | jesus |
| 04:37.18 | aPpYe_ | jpinx-eeepc: laptop. netbook. I am not asking about what I need to install for everything, I just want to know what I install to get a basic gnome system with networkmanager. Gnome-core or soemthing? I want basically gnome with a working panel and gnome-terminal installed and a networkmanager applet so I can go wireless for installign the rest of my system. |
| 04:37.19 | gnarface | twiggz: maybe you forgot to tell it you love it |
| 04:37.22 | twiggz | encourage is not a word. |
| 04:37.23 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: oftc.net #debian-eeepc |
| 04:38.16 | twiggz | i think im on oftc... /me checks bnc |
| 04:38.17 | gnarface | aPpYe: i don't use gnome but i think there's a metapackage just called 'gnome' that will pull all the dependencies. you might need to install gnome-terminal seperately |
| 04:38.19 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: are you doing a netinstall or from the CD |
| 04:38.30 | aPpYe_ | jpinx-eeepc: netinstall probably. |
| 04:38.51 | aPpYe_ | I want to do testing and I don't have a cdrom so it's gotta be a usb image. |
| 04:38.54 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: choose the basic laptop install then |
| 04:39.08 | twiggz | holycow: sorry person. whine elsewhere. its not like i called you derogatory names or anything. |
| 04:39.22 | twiggz | gives you his back |
| 04:39.34 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: you can add and upgrade as you want once the basic install is done |
| 04:39.38 | DanDare | After editing apache (sites-avaliable) virtual hosts I need so a2dissite a2ensite to reload sites-enabled or just a question of restarting apache? (Lenny here) |
| 04:39.51 | aPpYe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.21 | aPpYe_ | basic laptop will give me that? |
| 04:40.22 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: then choose the basic without x - there is a fairly obvious menu during netinstall |
| 04:40.35 | aPpYe_ | okay, i will just go through it then. |
| 04:40.48 | twiggz | i use the netinst iso for squeeze |
| 04:41.15 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: I have doe a netinstall and chosen nothing and it gave me a really basic cl environment |
| 04:42.06 | twiggz | uses a minimal debian install also |
| 04:42.09 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: really - one more time - oftc.net #debian-eeepc |
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| 04:42.14 | twiggz | best way to go i think. |
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| 04:42.43 | twiggz | ill google it, cant be messed to connect to my bnc again. |
| 04:42.54 | twiggz | sorry :/ |
| 04:43.02 | jpinx-eeepc | does not respond to pm's |
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| 04:47.02 | gnarface | aPpYe_: fyi when *I* want a really minimal install, i just choose NOTHING from the netboot menu. that will give you about 360MB of an install that basically just boots and lets you install other stuff. if you were to apt-get install gnome from there i imagine you'd have a booting gnome environment and only what else you installed |
| 04:47.25 | twiggz | suprised that freenode fascists allow you to tell others to go to oftc though. |
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| 04:47.57 | gnarface | seriously is this guy here just to show me how much of an ass i was last thursday? why hasn't someone +q'd him yet? |
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| 04:48.45 | aPpYe_ | cool. One thing I am strugglign with right now is how to get an installer runnign from usb. Isn't there some official image for usb sticks? |
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| 04:49.19 | gnarface | aPpYe_: hmm. i didn't think it was special. i think you just need to flag the thing as bootable and have a computer with a bios that knows how to boot from usb |
| 04:49.27 | gnarface | aPpYe_: i could be wrong about that though |
| 04:50.29 | aPpYe_ | well on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I see a section for "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc) ... I click on the i386 link there and I don't know where to go on the page that takes me to. |
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| 04:51.01 | kervizic | if normal i have a iwl3945 and don't find ipw3945 module ? |
| 04:51.42 | iluminator101 | well from my understanding so far, it is still cheaper to buy an laptop with an os, than to go an no os one, again i could be wrong on this, so far what i looking into is telling me this |
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| 04:53.13 | iluminator101 | microsoft tax, even when you buy ubuntu laptop you have to pay a ms tax |
| 04:54.03 | aPpYe_ | gnarface: what would I put on the usb stick that I woudl flag as bootable? |
| 04:54.07 | jpinx-eeepc | iluminator101: you are right |
| 04:54.26 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 04:55.18 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: there is a set way to create your USB installer |
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| 04:56.21 | aPpYe_ | jpinx-eeepc: I am running linux already ... not windows. |
| 04:56.34 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: yes - even so... |
| 04:56.42 | iluminator101 | my understanding if you a business you can order a literally no os laptop/pc not if are an individual |
| 04:56.42 | jpinx-eeepc | !usb install |
| 04:56.42 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 04:57.02 | aPpYe_ | and i want to install squeeze, not lenny? |
| 04:57.05 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: ^^^ |
| 04:57.25 | aPpYe_ | lol... I am reading... |
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| 04:58.19 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe_: I believe you can choose which release installer you use |
| 04:59.19 | aPpYe_ | aaahhhhhh there we go. now I am on the right track. i figure this will be created using dd? |
| 04:59.37 | jpinx-eeepc | yes |
| 04:59.46 | gnarface | aPpYe_: historically I have more luck doing a stable (lenny) install then upgrading after the fact (apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) to the testing (squeeze) or unstable (sid) branches, but it's highly hardware dependent, so your mileage may vary |
| 05:00.35 | jpinx-eeepc | I'd agree with gnarface regarding install stable and upgrade |
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| 05:09.49 | rfranknj | so.. can anyone tell me why xinerama sucks so much? or alternatively, why xrandr doesn't support multiple gpus? |
| 05:10.39 | gnarface | rfranknj: what's your video card hardware? |
| 05:11.15 | rfranknj | gnarface: i have an ati hd5670. i'd like to able to run 3 monitors |
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| 05:12.44 | rfranknj | gnarface: i also have more hardware around and an additional pci express slot in which i could putan old radeon x1600. however it appears that xrandr won't allow me to drive two separate gpus to be able to use 3 monitors, and idon't think my radeon hd 5670 can on its own, even though xrandr reports 3 digital outputs |
| 05:13.26 | rfranknj | i also have an integrate radeon something but apparently i can't do it with that either. i think i'm just stuck, unless i use xinerama which apparently will screw any direct rendering / hardware accel / opengl shit |
| 05:13.28 | gnarface | rfranknj: sorry i've got no experience but i'd be willing to blame your video card drivers before xinerama. are you using the latest and greatest official ones from ati for that card or the open source ones? |
| 05:13.46 | rfranknj | i don't think the oss drivers support the 5670 |
| 05:14.46 | gnarface | xinerama is jacked in the nvidia binary drivers too, but they have their own thing called "twinview" which will cover most of the functionality and it performs very nicely. maybe there are ati-specific entries for your xorg.conf too that are similar? |
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| 05:15.23 | gnarface | if there's a readme or a man page or something that comes with that driver you should read it thoroughly |
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| 05:17.50 | rfranknj | yeah i think ati has something similar called BigDesktop |
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| 05:18.15 | gnarface | you should try that. that's your best hope for hardware-accelerated multi-screen desktops |
| 05:18.24 | gnarface | the nvidia twinview feature works GREAT |
| 05:18.46 | gnarface | xinerama can't even play a dvd hardware accelerated if it spans across multiple screens |
| 05:19.01 | rfranknj | wel i don't mind it not being able to go accross 3 screens |
| 05:19.22 | rfranknj | but i would like to be able to have hardware acceleration for each monitor individually |
| 05:19.51 | gnarface | i get the feeling xinerama was really made for mismatched video cards in situations where the hardware acceleration is a non issue (like because the cards don't have any) |
| 05:20.07 | gnarface | it'd be nice if ati&nvidia embraced it but they both seem to be allergic |
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| 05:51.15 | dserban | ok, lenny is driving me crazy, google has little info and i'm stuck deploying a bunch of these :/. (After that intro, who wants to help me? ;) I have on-board nv gf6150le graphics chipset, on startup when I'm connected to a samsung 920n monitor the resolution is out of range. This seems to be a common problem. Which x driver should I use? |
| 05:51.20 | dserban | I've tried nv |
| 05:51.22 | dserban | fbdev, and vesa |
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| 05:51.38 | dserban | all of which come back with useless (but close ) results |
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| 05:53.07 | gnarface | dserban: assuming your xorg.conf is correct (is that a safe assumption? have you looked at it?) you should try the nvidia binary drivers |
| 05:53.30 | gnarface | hates having to advise people to put closed-source crap in their linux boxes |
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| 05:54.05 | dserban | gnarface: aye, well I'm providing simple pieces of info, otherwise letting xorg autodetect. I prefer not to use the nvidia proprietary drivers as it makes my thin-client setup much more complicated than it needs to be. If I have to I guess I'll try it. |
| 05:54.18 | dserban | It just seems that this specific hardware just doesn't get along. |
| 05:54.32 | gnarface | dserban: i'm kindof surprised the nv and vesa drivers don't even work AT ALL. do you have a manually specified horizontal and vertical sync ? |
| 05:54.40 | dserban | I'm wondering if I can play around with modelines. |
| 05:54.55 | dserban | Yes both are confirmed in the log. They work, they just don't do it right. |
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| 05:55.45 | dserban | so for example, (gdm) upon startup, the image is the right resolution etc, but shifted to the right by 10% or so, so the first 100 pixels on the left are black and part of the image on the right is missing. |
| 05:55.54 | gnarface | various levels of autodetection in xorg are very new features and despite what people have told me to the contrary, i can't prove from personal experience that any of it works AT ALL |
| 05:56.00 | dserban | So what I want to do is shift the image _back_ to the left. |
| 05:56.08 | gnarface | i always do better with a meticulously hand-crafted xorg.conf |
| 05:56.16 | dserban | hah yeah, I hear yea |
| 05:57.22 | dserban | I've done it that way for ages myself, but at this point, after I tell it a few options that should work, it doesn't. I'm unfamiliar with modelines, or how you generate one for an lcd with a vga connector, but I shall persevere and google will show me the way. I'm just hitting a lot of "use the proprietary nvidia driver" bs. this is debian for eff's sake. |
| 05:58.25 | dserban | If I wanted to game, sure. Using iceweasel, in an office environment, does not mean that I should have to "taint" my precious kernel :P |
| 05:58.49 | dserban | I'm soapboxing now :/ I wanted a solution... |
| 06:00.46 | gnarface | dserban: well there's a nvidia binary driver package in non-free... if all the problem with your thin client is just divergence from debian packaging you can just add contrib and non-free and be done with it |
| 06:01.26 | gnarface | but i've found that there are enough differences between reported nvidia hardware resolution support and what the nv and binary nvidia drivers actually support that you still need to carefully craft at least parts of your xorg.conf |
| 06:01.58 | gnarface | if your gdm comes up and shows A screen correctly, i'd try making an xorg with just that resolution in it at first, then try adding regular 4:3 resolutions to it one at a time |
| 06:02.18 | gnarface | then find the highest one your monitor AND the driver support, and just use the monitor controls to adjust the h/vposition |
| 06:02.49 | dserban | Hmm, I have an Acer brand monitor that displays fine using nvidiafb and fbdev. These samsungs are the problem imho, as well as lackluster support for the on-board nv hardware. |
| 06:03.21 | dserban | Aye, I hear ya, but I don't want to have to do that for 60 machines ... |
| 06:03.28 | gnarface | dserban: your've manually specified a horizontal and vertical sync for said samsung monitors? and said h/vsync was pulled directly from their OEM manuals? |
| 06:03.39 | dserban | What if the power goes out ... |
| 06:03.49 | dserban | yep I can recite it off by heart now :) |
| 06:03.58 | gnarface | check the website for a typo? |
| 06:04.02 | gnarface | updated manual? |
| 06:04.08 | dserban | I've confirmed with google on sales pages |
| 06:04.16 | gnarface | hearing that it sounds to me like the samsung monitors are problematic too |
| 06:04.17 | dserban | they confirm the same manufacturer's specs |
| 06:04.32 | dserban | yeah, they weren't in etch... |
| 06:04.34 | dserban | go figure |
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| 06:04.45 | gnarface | hmm. i don't suppose they're new enough to support esid? |
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| 06:04.56 | dserban | nah 2006 vintage |
| 06:05.03 | dserban | the Samsung 920n |
| 06:05.09 | gnarface | er, esid, what am i saying, i meant dpmi |
| 06:05.26 | dserban | I read edid :P |
| 06:05.43 | gnarface | hmm. think they're real? maybe knock-offs that have been illegally rebranded and actually have different horiz/vertical sync? |
| 06:06.11 | dserban | :o is that even possible? |
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| 06:06.24 | gnarface | i saw that once with an string of phillips 109S's |
| 06:06.38 | dserban | I only thought that happened in the music/clothing industry |
| 06:06.39 | dserban | heh |
| 06:06.43 | gnarface | oddly enough i had a suspicion that the deal was too good and it was weird they wouldn't show me the box |
| 06:06.53 | gnarface | but i thought it was just cause it was stolen |
| 06:06.59 | gnarface | turns out it was actually a bootleg |
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| 06:07.17 | dserban | Hmm. Well I bought it from a local reseller, which .. I think's legit, they came in boxes, etc. |
| 06:07.20 | dserban | oh heh |
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| 06:07.24 | dserban | Rough. |
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| 06:07.27 | gnarface | managed to get 1600x1200 working but only at 60hz |
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| 06:08.30 | dserban | it just seems that these monitors are problematic, I don't have the option to replace, so I guess I have to find a different solution. |
| 06:08.38 | gnarface | that's pretty weird |
| 06:08.41 | gnarface | so you're saying |
| 06:08.48 | dserban | I think I'll look into the read_edid thing, see what I can make of it |
| 06:09.00 | gnarface | if you drag the working non-samsung monitor over to one of the other machines, it just works when you plug it in? |
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| 06:09.13 | dserban | to begin with the gf6150le is not well supported under lenny |
| 06:09.14 | Arrowmaster | i dont think most monitors will do higher than 60hz at 1600x1200 |
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| 06:09.40 | dserban | and secondly the monitors seem to have edid issues |
| 06:09.41 | dserban | yeah |
| 06:09.41 | twiggz | i think my acid blondi cigar and makers mark nightcap will do |
| 06:09.53 | twiggz | so i bid you all a good night, and fuck you very much. |
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| 06:10.01 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: my viewsonic p815's don't sweat at 85. |
| 06:10.07 | dserban | I hook up an acer monitor, works perfect (using nvidiafb and the fbdev driver) |
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| 06:10.27 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: takes a dual-link cable for each one though right? |
| 06:10.47 | dserban | Mt crt does 1600x1200 at 75 hz, I like it |
| 06:10.55 | dserban | though that's off topic :P |
| 06:10.59 | gnarface | dserban: maybe you can get it working by manually specifying h/vsyncs then specifically disabling the edid |
| 06:11.18 | dserban | How do I disable edid? :/ |
| 06:11.30 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: negative. these are old high-end artist workstation CRTs. they don't make them like this anymore |
| 06:11.33 | dserban | The horzsync vertrefresh values are already there |
| 06:11.52 | sparr | gnarface: of course they do, they just cost a lot of money because there is no economy of scale |
| 06:11.55 | Arrowmaster | oh crt, i was meaning lcd's |
| 06:11.57 | dserban | it's a wee bit infuriating |
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| 06:12.30 | dserban | didn't take long for lcd's to take over... and look at what I'm stuck with |
| 06:12.33 | dserban | :P |
| 06:12.35 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: for gaming there's still nothing like CRT. i'll keep repairing these till they make it illegal for me to do so |
| 06:12.51 | dserban | hah what size gnarface ? |
| 06:13.01 | gnarface | dserban: i think it's something like adding Option "UseEDID" "FALSE" to your device section |
| 06:13.08 | gnarface | oh they're just 21's |
| 06:13.12 | gnarface | i got a pair of them |
| 06:13.25 | dserban | IgnoreEDID "true" is only applicable to the nvidia proprietary driver :/ |
| 06:13.27 | dserban | ggggrrrr! |
| 06:13.35 | gnarface | 3200x1200 enlightenment desktop ftw |
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| 06:13.46 | dserban | gnarface: you like living in the past :P |
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| 06:13.53 | gnarface | damn right i'm living in the past |
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| 06:14.10 | gnarface | now if you'll all excuse me, my pizza is here. i'm going to go stuff my face and watch x-files reruns. good luck dserban |
| 06:14.14 | dserban | I used afterstep for eons... |
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| 06:14.20 | dserban | and enlightenment |
| 06:14.29 | dserban | gnarface: thanks |
| 06:14.37 | gnarface | try UseEDID false |
| 06:14.45 | dserban | ok I'll try it |
| 06:14.55 | gnarface | or just lookup the xorg.conf docs. there's gotta be a generic version of that flag |
| 06:15.16 | dserban | aye |
| 06:18.55 | tenzind | hi, is kernel 2.6.33 in debian? |
| 06:19.16 | NoCode | Is Squeeze still in Testing mode? |
| 06:19.38 | NoCode | Or has it gone stable yet? |
| 06:20.05 | jpinx-eeepc | not even frozen yet :( |
| 06:20.10 | dserban | NoCode: still testing |
| 06:20.22 | NoCode | k. :( |
| 06:20.25 | dserban | tenzind: aptitude search linux-image- |
| 06:20.44 | NoCode | I'm guessing til the end of September then. |
| 06:20.54 | jelly-hme | ,kernels |
| 06:20.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 06:21.12 | jelly-hme | !tell NoCode about wwsr |
| 06:21.37 | jelly-hme | tenzind: so, no. |
| 06:21.46 | NoCode | meh |
| 06:21.55 | something15525 | how would i run a .jar file from a terminal? |
| 06:22.04 | jelly-hme | something15525: java -jar foo.jar |
| 06:22.12 | something15525 | jelly-hme: thx |
| 06:22.31 | something15525 | jelly-hme: says invalid or corrupt file |
| 06:22.36 | something15525 | jarfile* |
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| 06:24.10 | something15525 | jelly-hme: could it be a compressed archive? |
| 06:24.16 | jelly-hme | something15525: .jar is basically a zip archive with certain file structure inside. A simple way to verify the download could be to test unzipping it |
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| 06:24.27 | NoCode | Maybe I should just install testing now, and upgrade to unstable. I was waiting to reinstall until after the transition period when Squeeze goes to stable. But I'm thinking of just switching to unstable now |
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| 06:24.59 | something15525 | jelly-hme: just unzip blah.jar |
| 06:25.15 | something15525 | jelly-hme: ? |
| 06:25.24 | jelly-hme | something15525: man unzip. |
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| 06:26.26 | jelly-hme | something15525: if it's not a valid zip archive, it's definitely corrupted or incomplete |
| 06:26.41 | something15525 | jelly-hme: i did "unzip -t file.jar", got some problem about not finding a end-of-central directory |
| 06:26.49 | something15525 | jelly-hme: i'll try redownloading the file |
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| 06:27.10 | jelly-hme | something15525: yes, see my previous line |
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| 06:29.58 | something15525 | jelly-hme: redownloaded the application, i believe the problem was a corrupt file. thanks for the help! |
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| 06:34.00 | teofren | Guys, how dou find the fonts in Debian compared to Windows? |
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| 06:39.13 | muppis | How to configure apt from preseed? Like making permanent setting for proxy. |
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| 06:45.21 | krisfremen | hmm, i can't get dbus to start |
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| 07:15.47 | TheSarge | So whats new with Debian? I am thinking of going back to Debian I am sick of Ubuntu |
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| 07:17.05 | Adluc | Hello, can somebody help me with this ? http://pastie.org/1072363 |
| 07:17.17 | Adluc | After line |
| 07:17.19 | Adluc | "[ 14.992354] Adding 999992k swap on /dev/sda2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:999992k" |
| 07:17.25 | Adluc | It just hang |
| 07:17.43 | jacekowski | just hang? |
| 07:17.52 | Adluc | it doesnt do anything else after that |
| 07:17.55 | Adluc | just wait |
| 07:18.04 | jacekowski | no kernel panic? |
| 07:18.06 | Adluc | no |
| 07:18.09 | jacekowski | no i/o activity? |
| 07:18.20 | Adluc | cannot see that |
| 07:18.28 | Adluc | but, i can mount HDD in recovery mode |
| 07:18.35 | jacekowski | disable swap |
| 07:18.40 | jacekowski | and see what happens |
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| 07:19.13 | Adluc | How to do that if with unmounted HDD ? |
| 07:19.21 | jacekowski | mount it |
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| 07:19.48 | jacekowski | what does it show before that line anyways? |
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| 07:21.58 | Adluc | Before or after ? |
| 07:22.32 | Adluc | after that line should do something else with HDD -OR- in most cases network |
| 07:23.03 | Adluc | Is it hanging because of swap or next operation ? |
| 07:24.50 | jacekowski | Adluc: before i said |
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| 07:25.23 | jacekowski | Adluc: try adding init=/bin/bash to kernel command line |
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| 07:29.01 | Adluc | now im in recovery mode, fdisk -l says, /dev/sda2 is swap |
| 07:29.07 | Adluc | is it safe to disable swap ? |
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| 07:35.30 | Adluc | Now it is hanging here : |
| 07:35.31 | Adluc | [ 15.032491] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting... |
| 07:35.31 | Adluc | [ 15.193640] usb 2-2: device not accepting address 6, error -71 |
| 07:35.31 | Adluc | [ 15.193659] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 |
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| 08:10.08 | rhineshell | does anybody know how to invoke sftp over the shell, with just one call "sftp -host -port -file" ? |
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| 08:12.49 | Pupeno[work] | Should I use LVM in my server? |
| 08:12.56 | SlayerXP | rhineshell: scp |
| 08:13.10 | SlayerXP | Pupeno[work]: if it's appropriate to do so, then yes, otherwise no. |
| 08:13.23 | Pupeno[work] | SlayerXP: hehe, ok. |
| 08:16.27 | RichiH | where in /proc/ or the kernel config does the information about how many ticks a second happen for linux live? |
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| 08:19.45 | astier | hi. what IDEs for C are there in debian? I tried the devel::ide debtag and only got kdevelop... isn't there something simpler available? small, easy, can build a .so. that's about what I want |
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| 08:20.52 | bzrk | RichiH: your kernel probably is tickless by now, google hpet and cat /proc/timer_list |
| 08:22.00 | gnarface | Pupeno[work]: LVM is really great for making software raid arrays or when you value ease of volume management (specifically resizing and moving to different physical media) ease over performance. otherwise i'd advise you to stick with straight-up partitions and just think out space allocation very carefully |
| 08:22.02 | jacekowski | astier: text editor + write a Makefile |
| 08:22.13 | astier | that's nice, but it's not an IDE |
| 08:22.17 | bzrk | RichiH: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6750 |
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| 08:23.06 | gnarface | astier: linux people tend to hate IDE's and see them as a crutch for people who are allergic to documentation or just have a really short memory span. there is one popular IDE however called eclipse - i don't know how it is for C honestly, but i know it's quite popular for php and java... have you tried it? |
| 08:23.40 | jacekowski | there is no real decent ide for linux |
| 08:23.41 | RichiH | bzrk: that particular one is still 2.6.15, so it's pre-tickless |
| 08:23.56 | bzrk | RichiH: ah ok |
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| 08:24.00 | astier | yes I did (not on linux right now tho). read again: "small, easy, can build a .so." |
| 08:24.00 | jacekowski | visual studio is a nice one |
| 08:24.02 | RichiH | point in case, i lack a /proc/timer_list |
| 08:24.08 | bzrk | astier: for c i like scite |
| 08:24.10 | jacekowski | astier: all depends on makefile |
| 08:24.42 | gnarface | jacekowski: you ever tried eclipse? it's popular though i know it's no Visual Studio (which i also have not tried) - all i need is syntax highlighting and auto-formatting, so i am satisfied with emacs. |
| 08:24.45 | Arrowmaster | programmers that use linux tend to not restrict themselves to just one language i guess, which is why there arent any good IDEs |
| 08:24.57 | bzrk | RichiH: /proc/kconfig there maybe? |
| 08:25.00 | jacekowski | eclipse is java based |
| 08:25.16 | astier | Arrowmaster: eclipse is available for basically everything now. if it's a good IDE is of course debatable :) |
| 08:25.17 | Arrowmaster | the only IDEs tend to be specific to a language or a set of languages, and end up being absolutely horrible for other things |
| 08:25.42 | RichiH | bzrk: i have a /proc/config.gz, but i don't know what to look for |
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| 08:25.52 | jacekowski | Arrowmaster: VS supports multiple languages and it's still good |
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| 08:26.08 | bzrk | RichiH: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep HZ |
| 08:26.10 | RichiH | as that knowledge is 4+ years old, it's not easy to google for, either |
| 08:26.13 | Arrowmaster | many people would disagree on you with that one |
| 08:26.48 | astier | Arrowmaster: MSFT-only languages are still languages |
| 08:27.17 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt saying they would disagree on the 'multiple languages' part |
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| 08:28.16 | gnarface | can see why java programmers need IDE's. java is fucking terrible. everyone else should just spend more time with their documentation |
| 08:28.42 | gnarface | woops, trolling, sorry, forgive me |
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| 08:29.49 | gnarface | themill: i'm very sorry for my behavior the other night. i was being an ass and i understand now why you +q'd me. i am ashamed and it won't happen again |
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| 08:30.41 | themill | gnarface: no stress. Welcome back to #debian. |
| 08:30.51 | Arrowmaster | ive maintained a project with multiple 2000+ line files and over 1 million users with nothing but a simple text editor (relatively compared to things like vim and emacs) no debugger even |
| 08:31.16 | RichiH | bzrk: thanks |
| 08:31.22 | bzrk | RichiH: yw |
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| 08:34.13 | gnarface | astier: eclipse is the best we got for what you're looking for i think, these days. if you've got a specific feature request i'd encourage you to file it with their dev team as that would likely be your shortest path to success. |
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| 08:37.24 | holycow | doesn't emacs have a bunch of tools that would make it an ide for c programming? |
| 08:37.33 | holycow | *shrug* donno |
| 08:37.50 | gnarface | holycow: it does everything but remember function names for you -and i've seen unsupported modules for that but only for java and they're not very good :( |
| 08:38.18 | holycow | *nod* |
| 08:38.29 | holycow | the one thing i know about emacs, its easy to extend in elisp |
| 08:38.39 | holycow | if it doesn't do something it can be made to do so i guess |
| 08:38.45 | holycow | i'm sure vim is ismilar |
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| 08:39.07 | gnarface | that's the key difference between emacs and a "real IDE" - a commonly implemented direct link to some sort of standardized documentation so it can check not only your general syntax but also the names and arguments (and types of arguments) passed to your functions |
| 08:39.36 | jacekowski | and debugger integration |
| 08:39.42 | gnarface | emacs could *easily* do this but from what i can tell the types of people who use emacs represent a market with little demand for this feature, so nobody's bothered |
| 08:40.01 | holycow | *nod* that makes sense indeed |
| 08:40.13 | gnarface | enjoys nxml-mode |
| 08:40.15 | jacekowski | everybody needs documentations |
| 08:40.25 | gnarface | i mean |
| 08:40.28 | gnarface | enjoys nxml-mode |
| 08:40.33 | holycow | i'm using emacs on a web framework, i'm going to be trying to do exactly that, |
| 08:41.03 | gnarface | it does great css1 and css2 formatting |
| 08:41.15 | gnarface | the namespace is small enough it can even check most of your parameter names |
| 08:41.32 | gnarface | i'd give the php-mode a B- on a curve |
| 08:41.46 | gnarface | java and C and C++ seem to do well |
| 08:42.05 | gnarface | you can pass javascript off as java for formatting purposes, for the most part |
| 08:42.15 | gnarface | nobody seems interested in attaching a function reference though |
| 08:42.53 | gnarface | considering the type of stuff that HAS been attached to emacs (like M-x butterfly) it's kindof surprising when you think of it |
| 08:43.01 | holycow | what you said earlier basically defines free software |
| 08:43.11 | holycow | if there is no interest no one builds it |
| 08:43.15 | holycow | *nod* |
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| 08:43.45 | gnarface | yes, the problem is there IS interest, just not from people interested in contributing |
| 08:43.55 | holycow | hehe yeah! |
| 08:43.56 | gnarface | if it were commercial software that'd be seen as money left on the table |
| 08:44.17 | holycow | i know peopel that love linux, but the moment i suggest they should contribute back, ohhh hell no. |
| 08:44.32 | gnarface | part of me wonders whether that means it'd be a good thing to add such features to draw in such users or not |
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| 08:44.53 | holycow | i'm of the opinion these days that people don't deserve to be saved |
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| 08:45.12 | gnarface | i just hand out knoppix disks |
| 08:45.12 | holycow | people want other people to work for free and i don't think any dev should spend a single second to work for free for the ungrateful |
| 08:45.23 | holycow | they should do what they have always done, do it for them selves, do it for fun |
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| 08:45.43 | holycow | i don't see any benefit bringing on board the ungrateful. i deal with them every day. |
| 08:46.01 | gnarface | i see your point and i fear you are right |
| 08:46.06 | holycow | on the other side there is an economic perspective |
| 08:46.28 | gnarface | i really want to believe that the ungrateful can be saved though |
| 08:46.29 | holycow | one can look at the same people and say, it is 'cheaper' for them to not care and just pay money to get what they want even if it compromises their freedom |
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| 08:46.39 | m3tti | i would work for on free software for money though |
| 08:46.40 | holycow | and as you said, it is money on the table |
| 08:47.09 | xreal | What's the fastest FS for very big files (> 30 GB) ? |
| 08:47.13 | holycow | there is money on the server end of things, redhat has proven that |
| 08:47.43 | m3tti | it's better for me than working an a project that is closed source. mostly closed source project has to be developed with a strict release shadule |
| 08:47.48 | gnarface | xreal: depends greatly on whether you're creating or deleting more, but i think in either case it's xfs as you approach the >=1TB mark |
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| 08:48.28 | xreal | gnarface: It's MonetDB, 10% writing, 90% reading. |
| 08:48.28 | jacekowski | with big files it's ussualy it's I/O subsystem that has problems |
| 08:48.32 | jacekowski | not filesystem |
| 08:48.49 | xreal | jacekowski: I know, 6x U320 SCSI RAID-0. |
| 08:48.55 | gnarface | xreal: but note that for xfs to go >2TB you need a special kernel option compiled in and special partition tables |
| 08:49.09 | jacekowski | well, xfs is like /dev/null |
| 08:49.21 | xreal | gnarface: 6 x 74 GB = 444 GB ;-) |
| 08:49.46 | gnarface | xreal: oh. maybe you should just stick with ext3 for now. |
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| 08:50.11 | xreal | gnarface: MMh. I don't care about stability. |
| 08:50.58 | gnarface | xreal: well i can tell you that for very SMALL files reiserfs does very well. but for >2GB or so deletes are VERY slow. so i can tell you conclusively *don't* use reiserfs for what you're asking |
| 08:51.13 | jacekowski | well, ext3 is slow as well |
| 08:51.29 | gnarface | jacekowski: slow or just a memory hog? there's a difference |
| 08:51.32 | jacekowski | slow |
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| 08:51.42 | jacekowski | the way how blocks are allocated |
| 08:51.44 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 08:51.54 | jacekowski | if you want to create big file or delete it will take ages |
| 08:52.01 | xreal | okay, I will benchmark xfs and ext3. ;-) |
| 08:52.12 | jacekowski | xreal: with xfs you need ups |
| 08:52.21 | xreal | "ups" ? |
| 08:52.24 | jacekowski | xreal: UPS |
| 08:52.24 | xreal | not fedex? |
| 08:52.39 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 08:52.42 | jacekowski | reliable power supply |
| 08:52.52 | xreal | yeah, I have two of them ;.) |
| 08:52.52 | holycow | and raid1 |
| 08:52.53 | holycow | :) |
| 08:52.55 | jacekowski | or on first power cut your data will just disappear |
| 08:52.56 | aprendiz001 | I am using debian lenny. I have problems with permissions through SFTP, how can I set up a umask for a user or for the service? |
| 08:52.59 | xreal | 2 x 500 W |
| 08:53.09 | gnarface | xreal: have you looked over the chart on this wikipedia page? might prove informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 08:53.20 | holycow | or rather raid 1+0 :) your raid0 setup might be a bigger problem than the fs problem |
| 08:53.30 | gnarface | jacekowski: that's not entirely true. xfs is fully journaling now. it's much maligned but i've never actually experience data loss myself |
| 08:53.53 | jacekowski | gnarface: i had couple losses myself |
| 08:53.58 | xreal | gnarface: thanks |
| 08:54.12 | jacekowski | i'm using reiserfs for everything |
| 08:54.18 | jacekowski | and never had any problems |
| 08:54.21 | gnarface | me too |
| 08:54.34 | gnarface | it's very good, but people talk the same line of shit about reiserfs too, you know |
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| 08:55.23 | gnarface | despite what google would say to the contrary, i've never lost data on reiserfs *either* |
| 08:55.31 | jacekowski | ext3 because how it is journaling stuff |
| 08:55.33 | holycow | i've had a few losses on reiser but in the end ext3 has not made retreiving files any easier than the supposed impossibility of dealing with reiser fs failure |
| 08:55.36 | gnarface | but reiserfs can't store 5TB files |
| 08:55.46 | jacekowski | any modification to filesystem is just slow |
| 08:55.53 | xreal | Butter FS looks nice. |
| 08:56.02 | jacekowski | gnarface: storing 5TB files on any FS is bad idea |
| 08:56.28 | koollman | jacekowski: why ? |
| 08:56.46 | gnarface | woops, i have to correct myself. as of 3.6 reiserfs apparently can store 8TB files |
| 08:57.01 | gnarface | but xfs can store 8EB files. i don't even know what an EB is |
| 08:57.14 | jacekowski | because big files are hard to manimulate |
| 08:57.19 | jacekowski | manipulate |
| 08:57.31 | aprendiz001 | does anybody know how to set up a umask for SFTP? |
| 08:57.43 | koollman | gnarface: "it's big enough" ;) |
| 08:57.55 | gnarface | aprendiz001: it doesn't just obey the umask of the user account you log in with? |
| 08:58.16 | koollman | gnarface: 1EB=1024 PB, and 1PB=1024TB |
| 08:58.25 | gnarface | holy crap |
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| 08:58.53 | aprendiz001 | gnarface, SFTP reads .profile? |
| 08:59.16 | aprendiz001 | SFTP is maintaing source permissions |
| 08:59.24 | gnarface | jacekowski: we're getting off topic here, but when you're dealing with raw HD video in large quantities (like un-cut pre-production porn, just as an example) there's often no option. xfs performs VERY well compared to reiserfs in this situation. |
| 08:59.25 | aprendiz001 | I want to change the umask |
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| 08:59.48 | jacekowski | well i suppose that might be use case for it |
| 09:00.01 | jacekowski | but I/O subsystem performance will be biggest problem in that case |
| 09:00.22 | gnarface | aprendiz001: your setup may be using a number of bash files including (but not necessarily limited to) .bashrc, .profile and .bash_profile - i was under the impression that sftp/ssh/scp will use these to the degree that it is relevant |
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| 09:00.40 | holycow | gnarface: lol @ raw uncut preproduction porn |
| 09:00.42 | holycow | hahahahaha |
| 09:00.56 | jacekowski | holycow: ??? |
| 09:01.00 | gnarface | jacekowski: you're right. moving a 15TB raw porn file isn't a trivial task no matter what type of network or storage hardware you're using |
| 09:01.01 | jacekowski | what's funny about it? |
| 09:01.27 | holycow | jacekowski: mostly that i'm extremely tired and that was a surprising reference |
| 09:01.28 | gnarface | holycow: i've seen terrible things man... terrible things |
| 09:01.29 | holycow | :) |
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| 09:01.52 | holycow | gnarface: oh you have my sympathy, indeed |
| 09:01.52 | tr4sk | Hi |
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| 09:04.35 | gnarface | holycow, jacekowski also, just remember - just because it's extremely high latency, never underestimate the raw bandwidth capability of a truck full of harddrives driven across town |
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| 09:06.05 | gnarface | can someone remind me what the option is for dpkg-reconfigure to force it to ask any and all questions about a package, regardless of my threshold setting? |
| 09:06.20 | petemc | -plow ? |
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| 09:06.48 | gnarface | -p low? |
| 09:07.56 | zophy | really, i think netflix is the largest data storage and highest bandwidth provider there is, if you discount the latency |
| 09:08.51 | gnarface | zophy: if you get their Wii disk or their PS3 disk they don't do so bad on latency either |
| 09:09.09 | petemc | zophy: i would imagine giganews or any of the other binary usenet providers with large retention store a lot more |
| 09:09.24 | petemc | off the top of my head |
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| 09:09.52 | zophy | discounting for useless data, you might be right |
| 09:10.01 | astier | I think the major DVD and bluray fabs store more than netflix or usenet providers if you want to play that game |
| 09:10.02 | gnarface | petemc: any idea why if i tried dpkg-reconfigure -plow sysv-rc on sid it would just silently (apparently) succeed without asking me any questions? |
| 09:10.37 | petemc | nope |
| 09:11.01 | zophy | gnarface, it decided to have a nice cup of tea instead |
| 09:11.10 | gnarface | clearly :( |
| 09:12.15 | gnarface | for once i'm having a problem on my amd64 machine that i haven't had on my ancient g4 ppc machine. i'll have to mark my calendar for this one |
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| 09:13.41 | peekay | I'm currently on a laptop which has 2vgas, how can I know which one is currently active? |
| 09:14.30 | gnarface | peekay: you mean it has two hd15 output ports? did you try plugging a monitor into each one? |
| 09:14.54 | gnarface | peekay: what the hell monitor is that? |
| 09:15.02 | gnarface | er, laptop, i mean |
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| 09:16.04 | peekay | hehe, it's a hp pavilion dv3, it has an intel vga (for lower performance battery use) and a ATI 45xx series for higher performance use. lspci is listing them both, but I don't know which one is currently active |
| 09:16.07 | liable | a flash one obviously |
| 09:16.14 | peekay | nah, it's cheap |
| 09:16.37 | gnarface | well, peekay there is a possible 3rd option; neither |
| 09:16.41 | gnarface | but let's not go there just yet |
| 09:16.56 | gnarface | do you know if the official ati binary gunk drivers support that card? |
| 09:17.21 | peekay | no idea. i can check |
| 09:17.24 | gnarface | and do you have a way to tell which one is driving the onboard LCD right now? and can you switch between them like in windows? |
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| 09:18.14 | peekay | what's what I was asking. How can i know which one is driving the lcd right now? |
| 09:18.16 | Akkard_ | that's a secret |
| 09:18.23 | peekay | and how can I switch between them like windows :D |
| 09:18.44 | gnarface | peekay: start by putting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into pastebin |
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| 09:19.06 | gnarface | peekay: you've got X working on the lcd, right? |
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| 09:20.32 | peekay | i'm on X |
| 09:20.50 | peekay | pastebin.com/EeY1q7Kw |
| 09:21.25 | peekay | looks like i'm the Intel vga (line 49) . not sure |
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| 09:24.23 | gnarface | peekay: well on line 50 it shows the ati card too, but that's not as telling as line 104 where it loads the intel driver |
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| 09:25.13 | gnarface | peekay: what's weird though is that then on lines 109 and 116 it goes on to load the vesa and framebuffer drivers too. |
| 09:25.38 | peekay | that's a testing debian fresh install |
| 09:25.47 | peekay | no configuration whatsoever, it just booted into X |
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| 09:25.59 | gnarface | interesting |
| 09:26.10 | gnarface | well i've got to admit i've got no idea what the hell is going on here |
| 09:26.20 | gnarface | i've never seen one of these funky 2-card laptops in person |
| 09:26.49 | gnarface | you could try running X -configure and answering the questions as if the ati card is the only one in the system and see if it loads up instead? |
| 09:26.58 | peekay | how can I know the name of the ATI driver (if any) and where do I specify which driver to load on startup? |
| 09:27.39 | gnarface | you would specify it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it's not always that simple. sometimes you need to specify a lot of other monitor-specific and driver-specific parameters as well |
| 09:28.06 | gnarface | you may also find that you need the commercial ati linux driver for your hardware |
| 09:28.36 | gnarface | (on many ati cards it can do things the open source ones cannot, like make use of special hardware features like 3d and multiple-output acceleration) |
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| 09:29.05 | peekay | hmm there's no xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
| 09:29.24 | gnarface | the new versions default to all-autodetection |
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| 09:29.29 | gnarface | i've had very little luck with this |
| 09:29.43 | gnarface | exit completely out of X and try running X -configure at the root prompt |
| 09:29.54 | peekay | how do I completely close X |
| 09:30.09 | gnarface | depends on the window manager |
| 09:30.23 | gnarface | and whether you're using a graphical login or not |
| 09:30.45 | peekay | i think i'm using gdm |
| 09:31.11 | gnarface | you will have to logout, then use ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a text prompt, then log in as root and kill gdm manually |
| 09:31.26 | gnarface | if you're lucky it won't just immediately restart itself |
| 09:31.37 | peekay | i'll be right back |
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| 09:33.35 | Worf | why killing manually and hoping it won't restart when /etc/init.d/gdm stop does what you want? |
| 09:34.30 | gnarface | Worf: i've had that problem with gdm in the past. i don't use it enough recently to know whether it's better behaved now or not |
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| 09:35.45 | gnarface | Worf: i would have considered manually running an init script to be included under "killing manually" too, but i realize this is a grey area of technical termonology |
| 09:35.51 | peekay | gnarface, that's going to sound stupid, I can't se gdm3 in top |
| 09:36.04 | peekay | see* |
| 09:36.16 | gnarface | peekay: Worf has a great idea. try "/etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 09:36.34 | peekay | 1 sec |
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| 09:46.58 | peekay | I've stopped GDM and ran X -configure. It created a new config file (/root/xorg.conf.new). I ran X -config /root/xorg.conf.new, X didn't boot |
| 09:47.27 | gnarface | you gotta take that xorg.conf.new and put it at /etc/X11/xorg.conf then try to start x |
| 09:47.35 | gnarface | or hmm |
| 09:47.36 | peekay | i tried running 'X', didn't work either. only worked when i ran startx |
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| 09:47.45 | gnarface | startx is correct |
| 09:48.07 | gnarface | it takes a bunch of system stuff in i'm not clear about |
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| 09:48.46 | RichiH | do i want ati or nvidia for OKish gfx performance and a sane driver situation? |
| 09:49.00 | gnarface | peekay: put the new xorg.conf.new at /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then try to run startx and whether it works or not, come back and pastebin your Xorg.0.log again |
| 09:49.01 | amgarching | hi, if a postinst script breaks how do I get more output to learn why? |
| 09:49.05 | RichiH | ideally, i would want to run with stock kernel drivers, but... |
| 09:49.15 | peekay | ok just a sec |
| 09:49.38 | jelly | RichiH: i believe nvidia and their drivers is still the answer, but then your kernel is TAINTED |
| 09:49.48 | gnarface | RichiH: if you want to run with kernel stock drivers the answer is NEITHER ati or nvidia (at least none of the new ones that have what today's market would consider decent glx capability in the first place) |
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| 09:50.17 | RichiH | jelly: that is what i remember as well, but i really do not follow the gfx market |
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| 09:51.09 | peekay | ok i'm in X with the new xorg.conf file |
| 09:51.11 | gnarface | RichiH: i agree with jelly that if you're willing to give up on purity and taint your kernel with closed-source drivers nvidia has definitely been doing better with their linux drivers these days |
| 09:51.17 | peekay | i'll pastebin the new Xorg.0 |
| 09:51.20 | RichiH | gnarface: decent means i want 1080p in hardware and if i start something that requires actual 3D once a quarter, i want it not to freeze. low res etc is fine, though |
| 09:51.29 | RichiH | also, it should be passively cooled, if possible |
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| 09:51.38 | RichiH | i am leaning towards a nvidia gt 240 atm |
| 09:51.41 | gnarface | snorts vodka out his nose |
| 09:51.47 | gnarface | passively cooled? you're mad |
| 09:52.00 | RichiH | people have been known to say that |
| 09:52.04 | gnarface | anything with decent glx performance these days is going to have a leaf blower attached to it |
| 09:52.08 | RichiH | though i don't see why you would say that in this context |
| 09:52.24 | RichiH | gnarface: see my definition of decent above |
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| 09:53.46 | jelly | RichiH: I was thinking of a separate atom + nvidia chipset board as a media center, then I wouldn't have to upgrade my computing computer at all |
| 09:53.56 | Trewas | I have passively cooled 8600gt and it matches that definition fine |
| 09:54.11 | RichiH | jelly: if you want 1080p then don't |
| 09:54.12 | gnarface | RichiH: does this include 1080p flash? |
| 09:54.22 | RichiH | my media center is not capable of 1080p |
| 09:54.23 | RichiH | which sucks |
| 09:54.40 | gnarface | 1080p is too lose of a definition |
| 09:55.01 | petemc | i use an installed version of xbmc live, it rocks |
| 09:55.09 | astier | RichiH: which part is the evil one for 1080p decoding? the atom the the nvidia gpu? |
| 09:55.12 | RichiH | gnarface: when i say "capable of 1080p", i mean video with _lots_ of detail |
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| 09:55.27 | peekay | gnarface, http://pastebin.com/WpXqVPgh |
| 09:55.43 | RichiH | astier: both. neither threading nor vdpau solved the issue |
| 09:56.06 | gnarface | RichiH: i could imagine you finding a good card that's passively cooled to do well playing quake3 at 1080p, but flash video or blueray or any new video games? hell fucking no. |
| 09:56.21 | RichiH | astier: generally speaking, it's the card's fault, though. offloading video decoding to the GFX card has been doable for a year or so, now |
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| 09:56.35 | astier | gnarface: bluray and flash have been done on passive videocards for years now |
| 09:56.49 | astier | somwhere in the gf6 era I guess |
| 09:56.51 | gnarface | astier: 1080p |
| 09:56.57 | astier | yes 1080p |
| 09:57.11 | gnarface | on linux? i'd have to see it to believe it |
| 09:57.17 | RichiH | gnarface: i have a blur-ray of an IMAX movie about the great barrier reef. detail level in the large sweeps over jungle is _insane_ |
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| 09:57.23 | RichiH | that is my reference video |
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| 09:57.35 | RichiH | if anything plays _that_ video, it will play everything else |
| 09:57.48 | astier | gnarface: linux didn't have any GPU support for 1080p decoding until last year or so. so this is a moot issua |
| 09:57.58 | joeyyy | any one have a 100mbit inet want to see what i send at wget http://206.225.143.36/files/FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso |
| 09:58.07 | jelly | RichiH: hmph. con kolivas reported success with mplayer and vdpau and HD in #ck (oftc) |
| 09:58.16 | joeyyy | wget http://206.225.143.36/files/debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 09:58.20 | RichiH | astier: longer. i did vdpau in march 09 |
| 09:58.21 | joeyyy | my bad :P |
| 09:59.00 | RichiH | jelly: yah, i have been using vdpau ever since the first branch/fork/whatever within mplayer supported it |
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| 09:59.15 | RichiH | way before it went into mainline |
| 09:59.23 | jelly | RichiH: then again he has his own kernel fixes (again) so those might help |
| 09:59.33 | RichiH | used to have three mplayer installations on the HTPC for different needs |
| 09:59.50 | joeyyy | every one wget wget http://206.225.143.36/files/debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso need to load my box down |
| 09:59.59 | joeyyy | testing my webserver |
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| 10:00.03 | RichiH | joeyyy: k |
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| 10:00.27 | sativouf | hi. If you find a bug in a package in lenny, but that bug is corrected in squeeze (and does not exist in etch), are you supposed to fill a bug report ? |
| 10:00.42 | jelly | joeyyy: use ab for that. |
| 10:00.56 | gnarface | peekay: this looks like an improvement to me. i see only an intel and ati driver being loaded, and i see no trace of the vesa or framebuffer drivers. i'm out of my league on the hardware capabilities here though. you may need further manual xorg.conf additions or even some new drivers despite all the trouble. try plugging in a monitor into each of your other output vga ports now? |
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| 10:01.13 | joeyyy | using lighttpd |
| 10:01.29 | RichiH | sativouf: yes |
| 10:01.48 | joeyyy | what speeds u all geting |
| 10:02.12 | RichiH | 3 MB/s sustained plus 750 kB/s sustained from another box |
| 10:02.25 | sativouf | RichiH: even if the bug is not about the package itself but about the content of the package (in my case : libwww-perl) ? |
| 10:02.51 | RichiH | joeyyy: plus another 1 MB/s from yet another box |
| 10:03.19 | RichiH | sativouf: if in doubt, report it. the maintainer can still close it if he thinks it's better that way |
| 10:03.23 | jelly | joeyyy: around 2.0MB/s |
| 10:03.28 | RichiH | sativouf: but others can find it, etc pp |
| 10:03.36 | sativouf | RichiH: fair enough. thanks |
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| 10:03.49 | joeyyy | need more people hitting my box |
| 10:03.57 | joeyyy | i have a 100mbit inet |
| 10:04.14 | RichiH | joeyyy: _what_ do you want to test? |
| 10:04.22 | RichiH | pure bandwidth? |
| 10:04.28 | joeyyy | yeah |
| 10:04.31 | RichiH | iperf |
| 10:04.34 | joeyyy | up and down |
| 10:04.41 | jelly | joeyyy: and what numbers do you get at present? |
| 10:05.00 | jelly | joeyyy: what are you using on your side to measure? |
| 10:05.04 | RichiH | joeyyy: get someone else to install iperf and use that |
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| 10:05.23 | RichiH | also, note that iptraf and iftop have an impact on transmission speed |
| 10:05.50 | RichiH | running iptraf on a line can take a _lot_ of max bandwidth away into kernel nirvana |
| 10:06.00 | jelly | RichiH: eh, why would they? |
| 10:06.22 | RichiH | jelly: don't ask me |
| 10:06.29 | RichiH | but that's how it is |
| 10:06.30 | jelly | RichiH: interaction with promisc mode or? |
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| 10:06.34 | RichiH | nfc |
| 10:06.46 | RichiH | but we have had a _lot_ of pain at work until we found that out |
| 10:06.54 | peekay | gnarface, it looks like i'm on the intel card. HD out gave no signal on the monitor. VGA out did. |
| 10:07.06 | RichiH | iftop has less of an impact |
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| 10:07.31 | RichiH | personally, i am down to running ifconfig and looking at how counters change in the intervals when i need to measure high speeds |
| 10:07.40 | jelly | pfft! |
| 10:07.53 | RichiH | jelly: come up with something better and i will be very happy |
| 10:08.11 | jelly | RichiH: well you gotta admit it sounds rather sad |
| 10:08.19 | gnarface | peekay: i'd try the official ati binary drivers next, if they support that card, but i have to admit i'm clueless on options here. if it were a standard two-card setup you might want to try xinerama... but it may not be anything near a standard two-card setup |
| 10:08.23 | RichiH | has somewhat high hopes for 2.6.35 with the parallel layer 3 & 4 handling |
| 10:08.37 | RichiH | though tc-htb still locks and is limited to one core |
| 10:08.44 | astier | gnarface: do you even know what kind of setup it is? |
| 10:08.51 | RichiH | jelly: it does. but it works and the alternatives do not |
| 10:08.53 | jelly | doesn't do QoS |
| 10:09.03 | RichiH | jelly: lucky you |
| 10:09.06 | gnarface | astier: no. it might be something new entirely |
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| 10:09.27 | astier | gnarface: no lspci run yet? |
| 10:09.41 | jelly | RichiH: my high bandwidth usage is backup, and it's usually over a separate segment |
| 10:09.41 | peekay | gnarface, thanx for the help |
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| 10:10.01 | astier | peekay: do you know what hardware you have and do you know what hardware you want to run? |
| 10:10.23 | gnarface | astier: unless you're asking in general. it's one of those new hp pavilion dv3 laptops that has an onboard intel card for normal windowing and an ati card for performance gaming that's disabled by default to save power but that you can startup when gaming to get more boost |
| 10:10.28 | RichiH | jelly: the good old cross-ver cable is still best for backups. sadly, that is not possible in most cases |
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| 10:10.40 | astier | and if gdm doesn't come up, the Xorg log is there to say why (usually) |
| 10:10.53 | peekay | astier, I have an intel buildin card and an ATI mobility hd 4550, which is the one I want to run exclusively |
| 10:10.57 | peekay | built-in** |
| 10:11.15 | astier | so remove anything about intel in your xorg.conf files |
| 10:11.47 | gnarface | astier: his problem isn't that he's got issues starting X, his problem is that he can't seem to control which card is the primary one at any moment dynamically, like windows does |
| 10:11.49 | joeyyy | KB/s in KB/s out |
| 10:11.49 | joeyyy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.49 | joeyyy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.49 | joeyyy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.49 | joeyyy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.09 | joeyyy | KB/s in KB/s out |
| 10:12.09 | joeyyy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.12 | astier | gnarface: he wants to run ati exclusively, or so he said |
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| 10:12.27 | astier | and as long as both cards show up in lspci, he can do that |
| 10:12.40 | gnarface | astier: that part is news to me |
| 10:13.28 | astier | and for hybrid graphics, there is only stuff in development. see http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/2010/02/david-airlie-solves-intelati-and-atiati.html |
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| 10:13.37 | jelly | joeyyy: ring when you want the downloads to stop, or remove /files/debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 10:13.57 | gnarface | peekay: sorry i didn't realize you just wanted to disable the intel one completely. that makes things significantly simpler |
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| 10:14.15 | jelly | joeyyy: in fact, you'll have to remove it; I'm leaving for lunch ;-) |
| 10:14.16 | petemc | jelly: removing it wouldnt stop the download |
| 10:14.19 | peekay | gnarface, my mistake, i didn't explain what i wanted clearly. |
| 10:14.30 | joeyyy | run it for about 30 mins |
| 10:14.34 | jelly | petemc: it would prevent the next one in the loop |
| 10:14.39 | petemc | yes |
| 10:14.57 | joeyyy | jelly what speeds u geting |
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| 10:15.35 | gnarface | peekay: you might make things a lot simpler for yourself by checking the bios if there is an option to disable the intel card at bios level. it shouldn't be necessary but it might make the lcd come on with the ati driver by default without further xorg.conf tweaking |
| 10:15.47 | astier | got a question about writing shared libs: is there anything special I need to do to "export" functions or are they simply all exported? |
| 10:16.09 | peekay | gnarface, ahhh good idea. i didn't think of that! give me a sec |
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| 10:18.41 | joeyyy | http://206.225.143.36/phpsysinfo/ |
| 10:18.49 | joeyyy | thats the box |
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| 10:19.22 | joeyyy | its a intel atom D510 2 cores with HT 4cpus |
| 10:19.40 | joeyyy | Processors 4 |
| 10:19.40 | joeyyy | Model Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D510 @ 1.66GHz |
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| 10:19.58 | joeyyy | 4 gigs of ddr 2 800 mhz ram |
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| 10:20.41 | gnarface | joeyyy: do you have power consumption figures for that thing at full load over a month? |
| 10:20.48 | peekay | gnarface, there's no option to disable it in the bios. maybe i should get the proprietary drivers |
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| 10:21.57 | joeyyy | gnarface how do i find that out ? |
| 10:22.03 | gnarface | peekay: yea maybe. you might also have to do some serious reading about xorg.conf and xinerama and the intel and ati driver specific flags for xorg.conf in order to gain control of which cards use which screens/output ports |
| 10:22.26 | joeyyy | i knows its only got a 100 watt psu |
| 10:22.44 | gnarface | joeyyy: if you have to ask you probably don't. you'd need a piece of hardware plugged into your wall or something from your utility bill on an isolated circuit |
| 10:23.31 | joeyyy | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399 |
| 10:23.36 | joeyyy | thats the board |
| 10:23.55 | gnarface | joeyyy: i know those atom cores are supposed to be low-heat/low-power intel answers to arm chips but i've yet to hear real-world electricity cost numbers under load |
| 10:25.20 | peekay | gnarface, everytime i restart i have to set up my wireless card with iwconfig and use dhclient to get an ip. how can i configure it once for all ? |
| 10:25.29 | joeyyy | ntel BOXD510MO Intel Atom D510 Intel NM10 Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - 2GB of DDR2 800 .... It's not that much more effecient, maybe 5W in casual use. ... 2 watts turned off 49 watts max during boot 37 watts idle ... |
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| 10:25.52 | gnarface | peekay: network configs go into /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:26.47 | peekay | gnarface, thanx again |
| 10:26.51 | gnarface | joeyyy: that is a fair amount more efficient -- my desktop system pulls 189w at idle, not counting my giant CRT monitors |
| 10:27.17 | joeyyy | its only got 100 watt psu |
| 10:27.26 | gnarface | peekay: no problem. there's a man page for the interfaces file somewhere, if you combine the information in that with the information in the ifconfig man pages and iwconfig man pages you should be able to put together a working interfaces file. |
| 10:27.32 | joeyyy | my other server box had a 1000watt psu |
| 10:27.36 | joeyyy | xeons |
| 10:27.56 | ZaxEZ | bit over the top.. |
| 10:28.00 | gnarface | yea, xeons hate the earth |
| 10:28.05 | gnarface | they want to destroy it |
| 10:28.05 | joeyyy | :P |
| 10:28.14 | thewanderer1 | they did, now they're pretty efficient |
| 10:28.18 | thewanderer1 | now they hate your wallet |
| 10:28.22 | ZaxEZ | ^^^ |
| 10:28.26 | joeyyy | atoms board is really nice |
| 10:28.31 | gnarface | thewanderer1: indeed. good to know |
| 10:28.53 | thewanderer1 | I'm running Atom 330 on a server and it's fine for 3 or 4 OpenVZ containers |
| 10:28.57 | gnarface | just software-underclocks his amd64 chips when not gaming |
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| 10:29.56 | joeyyy | thewanderer1 how many sata ports u got ? |
| 10:30.04 | gnarface | hey anyone know what it takes to get an invite to the #debian-arm channel? i have been curious about these guruplug/shevaplug arm systems and debian for a while but i can't seem to get in |
| 10:30.20 | ZaxEZ | Atom 330 running OpenVZ lol |
| 10:30.31 | ZaxEZ | it can only support 2GB ram or was it 4 |
| 10:31.39 | thewanderer1 | 2 GB |
| 10:31.45 | thewanderer1 | joeyyy: 2 ports |
| 10:32.39 | joeyyy | http://206.225.143.36/phpsysinfo/ :P |
| 10:32.42 | thewanderer1 | joeyyy: and the only PCI slot occupied by a SATA fakeraid controller :P |
| 10:32.55 | joeyyy | yeah |
| 10:32.57 | joeyyy | lol |
| 10:33.20 | Sm0ke0ut | hmm, how does the atom perform? |
| 10:33.20 | thewanderer1 | well, this is pretty much the same hardware, I suppose |
| 10:33.26 | thewanderer1 | it works :P |
| 10:33.45 | thewanderer1 | no major glitches if it's about being a home server |
| 10:34.34 | joeyyy | Sm0ke0ut good |
| 10:34.38 | joeyyy | its not slow |
| 10:34.38 | thewanderer1 | HyperThreading helps with scheduling |
| 10:34.51 | joeyyy | its faster then a p4 ht :P |
| 10:35.02 | Sm0ke0ut | I'd hope so yes =P |
| 10:35.23 | joeyyy | id have 4 gigs of ram in mine |
| 10:35.28 | joeyyy | i have* |
| 10:35.50 | thewanderer1 | why does the system show 3.20 GB ? |
| 10:35.53 | joeyyy | i want to buy a atom server board when they come out with the new atom on them |
| 10:36.07 | joeyyy | video |
| 10:36.08 | thewanderer1 | there are no atom server boards O.o |
| 10:36.14 | joeyyy | yeah there is |
| 10:36.22 | gnarface | sheevaplug/guruplug fans here? anyone? |
| 10:36.29 | peekay | later' |
| 10:36.53 | joeyyy | http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ |
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| 10:37.17 | thewanderer1 | wow, I didn't know |
| 10:37.53 | thewanderer1 | this: "RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 (Windows Only)" looks very disturbing |
| 10:38.01 | Sm0ke0ut | hehe |
| 10:38.42 | joeyyy | yeah |
| 10:38.48 | joeyyy | thats why i'm waiting |
| 10:38.56 | joeyyy | for well tested boards |
| 10:39.32 | astier | all atoms use fakeraid like it's normal on intel based boards. For linux, you will always want to use linux software raid instead |
| 10:40.17 | thewanderer1 | I'm using fakeraid on a full-blown server and a power outage killed my LVM and LILO once O.o |
| 10:40.39 | thewanderer1 | had to read the disk byte-by-byte and rewrite the LVM config |
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| 10:41.00 | astier | only if you need to dualboot windows on this raid, then you can use dmraid |
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| 10:47.11 | gnarface | so already suspecting the answer to this, i'd like to still ask just in case i'm wrong |
| 10:47.17 | gnarface | does anyone here use cedega? |
| 10:47.21 | gnarface | on sid? |
| 10:47.50 | gnarface | cringes, expecting retaliation |
| 10:47.50 | thewanderer1 | for me, wine works just fine |
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| 10:48.52 | gnarface | thewanderer1: wine != sid. do you use wine for starcraft 2, world of warcraft, any of the halflives or any version of total annihilation (kingdoms, original, expansions, etc) ? |
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| 10:49.46 | Bushmills | gnarface: i tried sid+ |
| 10:50.00 | Bushmills | cedega a while ago, for an app which was problematic |
| 10:50.30 | gnarface | hmm. i need data from this month |
| 10:50.31 | Bushmills | AVRstudio that was. didn't help |
| 10:50.35 | gnarface | this is all bleeding edge hardware |
| 10:50.37 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no. check with winehq, though. for Total Annihilation, `apt-get install spring springlobby`, then go to http://springrts.com and you get the same game but in 3D and with shineys |
| 10:50.37 | gnarface | and software |
| 10:51.14 | gnarface | thewanderer1: springlobby? this is interesting news. thanks for the tip i will look at it |
| 10:51.26 | jelly | joeyyy: I considered atom for a home server but it doesn't support ECC RAM |
| 10:51.31 | Bushmills | sorry. that test was at about the time when there was the limited cedega giveaway phase |
| 10:51.55 | thewanderer1 | jelly: I can tell you that I'm living without ECC somehow |
| 10:52.05 | thewanderer1 | with memory sizes 2-4GB, it simply has no use |
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| 10:52.59 | jelly | thewanderer1: you probably don't care about your data integrity much |
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| 10:53.16 | gnarface | thewanderer1: some of us are in regions more vulnerable to solar flares and RF interference than others :-P |
| 10:53.19 | thewanderer1 | it's a home server, and I run RAID1 with no problems... |
| 10:53.33 | thewanderer1 | right, but the Russian Woodpecker has been shut down already :P |
| 10:53.46 | gnarface | jelly: i was just trying to suggest he lives in his parent's basement, not full on insult his honor and integrity, sheesh |
| 10:53.47 | jelly | thewanderer1: yeah, but you can't even detect bit flips. |
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| 10:54.12 | thewanderer1 | true |
| 10:54.17 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to compile 2 time protocols and I want to measure jitter. Are there any python tools to help me for this? |
| 10:54.18 | thewanderer1 | still, nothing ever breaks |
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| 10:54.40 | gnarface | thewanderer1: servers underground >= ecc |
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| 10:56.11 | thewanderer1 | right |
| 10:56.46 | jelly | thewanderer1: you _can't know_ if anything broke |
| 10:57.38 | jelly | was lucky enough to detect a bit flip in /usr/sbin/apache |
| 11:00.44 | jacekowski | Led_Zeppelin: python is bad idea for precise time measurments |
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| 11:03.04 | thewanderer1 | watches as debsums spits out lines of 'FAILED' checks - now I'd like to see ECC in laptops... |
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| 11:03.30 | thrashold | Led_Zeppelin: What do you mean by 'compile 2 time protocols'? |
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| 11:10.34 | jelly | "compare", perhaps |
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| 11:21.01 | Led_Zeppelin | thrashold, err sorry, I mean to say compare. |
| 11:21.32 | Led_Zeppelin | Basically, I have a sever with NTP and another with PTP. I want to see how far they go from a stratium server after 1 min, 5 min, and 10 min |
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| 11:22.34 | Led_Zeppelin | jacekowski, what tools would be good? |
| 11:22.34 | abrotman | there's more that goes into that than just those components |
| 11:22.42 | Led_Zeppelin | hey abrotman |
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| 11:24.49 | thrashold | Led_Zeppelin: I'll open the source of some client that can access a time server of some kind (ntpclient, rdate), modify it to connect to both servers at the same time by adding a simple select loop, and printing the exact time of both attempts repeatedly, then I'd use Python to analyze the data |
| 11:26.09 | abrotman | thinks Led_Zeppelin has moved again |
| 11:26.21 | Led_Zeppelin | i did abrotman. No in PA anymore :-) |
| 11:26.37 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: even if the machines were the same exact model, there could be differences in how they run |
| 11:26.52 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, I agree. |
| 11:27.25 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, What I was thinking at every even second capture time from the 2 servers and then see how far they different from the GPS clock. |
| 11:28.03 | icebrain | hi, what makes a process being in state "uninterruptible" sleep? |
| 11:28.12 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: just out of curiousity .. which system with the flaky clock will determine the length of the 'second'? :) |
| 11:28.37 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, both. because both will capture the even second. |
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| 11:30.57 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm, not easy eh. |
| 11:31.28 | astier | do it like airplanes: 3 different systems, the 2 ones agreeing, win |
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| 11:31.42 | abrotman | and if none agree? |
| 11:32.13 | CasperTheGhost | I've installed xen-linux-system-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 on debian Lenny with xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-i386 3.2.1-2. When trying to boot XEN I get "elf_init: not an ELF binary" and reboot in 5 seconds. 2.6.32-5 from backports states it support dom0, so is it really? |
| 11:32.20 | astier | then the FAA will come and there will be lots of fingerpointing |
| 11:32.24 | thrashold | 100 different systems, calculate mean and variance, test that the second is that long with 0.99 probability! |
| 11:32.56 | Led_Zeppelin | i am not even sure how to calculate? a simple data command isn't going to be enough. I need to do a gettimeofday() |
| 11:32.58 | gnarface | abrotman: i am sorry for my behavior the other day. i understand now why you +q'd me and i am ashamed. it won't happen again. |
| 11:33.27 | abrotman | gnarface: Thanks! Hopefully it doesn't happen again! |
| 11:33.37 | astier | gnarface: never do that. it will go straight to his head |
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| 11:34.15 | CasperTheGhost | any XEN-gurus here? |
| 11:34.27 | abrotman | gnarface: wait, i wasn't the one that gave you the +q .. but thanks anyways :) |
| 11:35.01 | gnarface | abrotman: i also apologized to themill earlier when he was online. |
| 11:35.09 | abrotman | Good man |
| 11:35.11 | abrotman | or woman |
| 11:35.24 | gnarface | man |
| 11:35.27 | gnarface | but it's not important |
| 11:35.53 | thrashold | When will Wine 1.2 hit sid or experimental? :( |
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| 11:36.12 | abrotman | judd: versions libwine |
| 11:36.13 | judd | libwine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 11:36.41 | thrashold | I just did that, that's why I ask-complained :) |
| 11:36.45 | abrotman | thrashold: is this one of those "It's only been out for two days" thing? |
| 11:37.21 | gnarface | abrotman: not only is my gender unimportant it's also off-topic. i have isolated (i think) my boot issue and i have discovered some problems. first question: do you know of any reason why "dpkg-reconfigure -plow sysv-rc" would silently... succeed? without asking questions? on an amd64 system? |
| 11:37.37 | thrashold | Almost, half a month :) However, 1.1.24 is quite old development version already |
| 11:37.45 | abrotman | gnarface: if there are no questions to ask, it won't ask you anything! |
| 11:38.12 | themill | thrashold: there's actually a wine-unstable package in sid for newer snapshots (but not 1.2) |
| 11:38.36 | thrashold | themill: I see, thanks for the information :) |
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| 11:38.43 | gnarface | abrotman: got anything on a cause for silent failure/succeed of reconfiguring sysv-rc? |
| 11:38.46 | jelly | wine-unstable itself is more than 6 months old |
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| 11:39.11 | jelly | and lamaresh.net builds don't have 1.2 wither |
| 11:39.16 | jelly | either* |
| 11:39.33 | themill | jelly: yeah.... maintaining wine in debian seems to be a great way of burning out |
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| 11:41.03 | gnarface | thrashold: if you're asking for the reasons that i'm also curious (failure to compile your own wine 1.2 on amd64 while wine 1.1.42 only works for starcraft 2 players on 32-bit hardware) then the only advice i can give you is to find a 32-bit development package for openal on amd64 and give me the link |
| 11:41.15 | jelly | themill: there's a half-good tech excuse for not updating it in... #557783 or nearby |
| 11:42.18 | jelly | "I can't build wine since I want to package wine-gecko from source, and that thing only builds on windows or with exactly certain versions of mingw32 gcc" |
| 11:42.48 | jelly | distros that don't care can just use wine-gecko binaries |
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| 11:43.32 | CasperTheGhost | Does linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 really supports XEN Dom0 as stated in its descrition? |
| 11:44.09 | gnarface | thrashold: a number of sources report that the 1.1.42 build of wine *works* for starcraft 2 on 32-bit systems but i can't find confirmation that it works for anyone on amd64 who hasn't compiled their own 1.2 from source (with some mythical openal dev package that puts 32-bit headers on 64-bit systems - still trying to locate one of those) |
| 11:45.16 | thrashold | gnarface: Hey, I don't have StarCraft 2, I'm a little behind times. I'm looking at new Wine versions just out of curiousity and because I might get inspired to try out something newer :) |
| 11:45.36 | thrashold | gnarface: Why OpenAL? Doesn't wine treat OpenAL/ALSA/OSS output nearly the same way? |
| 11:45.41 | jelly | CasperTheGhost: try asking #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org if you cannot TIAS |
| 11:45.59 | CasperTheGhost | TIAS? |
| 11:46.02 | jelly | !tias |
| 11:46.02 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 11:46.11 | gnarface | thrashold: apparently not, with regards to starcraft2, which seems to have a special need for openal |
| 11:46.22 | CasperTheGhost | Thanks |
| 11:47.18 | thrashold | gnarface: So in Wine OpenAL is not just an output driver, but an output driver *and* a library? |
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| 11:49.44 | jelly | thrashold: openal windows api/dll is implemented as a thin layer around the linux library, yes |
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| 11:50.04 | gnarface | thrashold: i'm under the impression that openal support is both spotty and risky, however most things don't require it specifically to work. the only things i've seen that DO are the recent ioquake3 builds (which seem to have been taken over by a bunch of windows-centric developers who are of the opinion that "linux breaks things" not bad developers) and this newest wine build (1.2) that is required for starcraft to work on amd6 |
| 11:50.04 | gnarface | 4 systems. the unstable debian 1.1.42 apparently works fine for 32-bit systems. |
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| 11:51.21 | abrotman | gnarface: are you sure that package is supposed to have debconf questions ? |
| 11:52.00 | gnarface | abrotman: no. but it does on my ppc box in sid. both these boxes (amd64 and ppc) are in sid. is there a reason to expect it would be different? |
| 11:52.17 | abrotman | gnarface: you can look in the debconf db to see what's in there |
| 11:52.29 | gnarface | abrotman: how? |
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| 11:53.48 | abrotman | /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 11:55.29 | gnarface | abrotman: after looking at this: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot i came to the conclusion that the problem was related to concurrent booting, but when i tried to turn it off in /etc/default/rcS by adding CONCURRENCY=none or whatever (from google) it didn't have any effect |
| 11:55.56 | abrotman | gnarface: should I ask if you've installed all of your updates yet? :) |
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| 11:58.57 | gnarface | abrotman: i've dist-upgraded sid dozens of times over the past week (from a working squeeze install that also had the problem - for at least a year or so) but i suspect now the issue has actually been caused by stray init or boot scripts that weren't properly cleaned during one of the multiple upgrades i've done (this system started out as etch or maybe sarge, i forget now) but i just don't know how to clean them manually, and fr |
| 11:58.57 | gnarface | om my googling these are the types of things that never get automatically cleaned, due to safety concerns |
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| 11:59.44 | abrotman | you could maybe use cruft to see if there's a file left over doing something that doesn't belong to a package |
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| 12:00.43 | gnarface | apt-cache show cruft? |
| 12:00.46 | gnarface | that cruft? |
| 12:00.55 | gnarface | thanks for the tip, abrotman i will try it out |
| 12:01.27 | gnarface | another question for you or anyone in the channel, abrotman is the sid libc currently broken? or is that old news from last week? |
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| 12:02.58 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/TopicDebianDevel/ |
| 12:02.58 | thrashold | gnarface: sid libc seem to be fine on two of my systems. How broken? Not so for sid's mplayer and libelementary, though :) |
| 12:02.59 | abrotman | doesn't say so |
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| 12:05.11 | gnarface | abrotman: i'd been having some weird issues with wine lately and the #debianppc people mentioned something about libc being broken so i thought it might be related |
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| 12:05.28 | abrotman | on PPC or x86? My PPC machine is not running sid |
| 12:05.45 | abrotman | different architectures can have hugely different issues |
| 12:05.47 | jelly | gnarface: you have wine running on ppc?! |
| 12:06.03 | jelly | wasn't aware that worked at all |
| 12:06.22 | gnarface | abrotman: well the issue i'm having is on amd64 and it's directly related to wine. the issue i *heard* about however that i thought *might* be related was on ppc, where i have NOT tried wine. sorry for the confusion |
| 12:06.30 | thrashold | jelly: qemu maybe? |
| 12:06.50 | thrashold | You can use a i386 debian chroot in PPC with qemu-user, right? |
| 12:09.31 | thrashold | I wonder how slow it would be |
| 12:09.48 | abrotman | thrashold: qemu is slow on i386 emulating i386 :) |
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| 12:15.29 | thrashold | abrotman: I'm just wondering whether I should try to run Windows apps with qemu + wine on my Neo Freerunner phone :) |
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| 12:15.51 | abrotman | jeez .. why not just install windows in qemu on your phone .. why use wine at all ? |
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| 12:22.27 | shl_ | my debian install completed but it doesn't boot. can I fix grub somehow without doing the full install again? |
| 12:24.13 | abrotman | do you have a grub boot disc? |
| 12:24.50 | shl_ | no. i can make one, or I can use knoppix to get into grub |
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| 12:25.45 | shl_ | can I (ab)use the knoppix boot prompt as a grub boot disc? |
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| 12:26.21 | Arrowmaster | does knoppix boot using grub? |
| 12:27.02 | gnarface | shl_: probably. at the very least you can boot knoppix, upgrade grub within knoppix then use the upgraded grub install in knoppix to repair your harddrive grub boot record. i have done that |
| 12:27.08 | Cain | Hi, let say i installed a program using config/make/make install, <== how to uninstall it ? |
| 12:27.32 | Arrowmaster | make uninstall and pray |
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| 12:28.00 | shl_ | gnarface: what would be the command to repair the record? |
| 12:28.26 | Cain | Arrowmaster : how to check if it was uninstalled 'properly' ? praying also ? :p |
| 12:28.28 | shl_ | gnarface I know I'm gonna have to RTFM, but just to get me started |
| 12:28.32 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 12:28.49 | gnarface | shl_: i dunno. depends a lot on what grub version and what you did to it or what it did to you |
| 12:29.01 | gnarface | shl_: google is your friend |
| 12:29.03 | Cain | Arrowmaster : kk, thx i'll pray a lot today |
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| 12:30.23 | Arrowmaster | shl_: if you can get into a anything with a shell and chroot, either a livecd or hell ive done it with the debian installer before, you can fix it but you have to know how to use chroot |
| 12:30.29 | gnarface | Cain: next time before you make install, install the "checkinstall" package and then instead of "make install" run "checkinstall make install" and you'll be able to dynamically tag and create a package on the fly based on the make install-ed files and therefore be able to easily uninstall them later, even if the source makefile didn't provide an uninstall |
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| 12:30.53 | Arrowmaster | !checkinstall |
| 12:30.53 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
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| 12:31.19 | Arrowmaster | wow i was expecting some quip about checkinstall being bad |
| 12:31.42 | gnarface | it's a quick and dirty package creator, but it's better than nothing |
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| 12:32.10 | gnarface | it's not suitable for distribution but it's perfect for what it is intended for |
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| 12:32.36 | abrotman | there's also stow |
| 12:32.37 | Cain | gnarface : noticed ! i'll go install that right now on the prod machine |
| 12:32.37 | jelly | Arrowmaster: it is, but we can't be arsed to make every factoid derisive and/or sarcastic |
| 12:32.56 | shl_ | Arrowmaster: yeah, i'll have to see if knoppix wants to read my software raid first. it didn't detect it properly :( |
| 12:33.01 | abrotman | in reality, it's truly best to make a proper package, but not everyone wants to do that |
| 12:33.20 | shl_ | Arrowmaster: I have a /boot partition that is not part of the raid. can't I get grub to use that and force grub to reinstall to MBR on HD0 ? |
| 12:33.20 | Arrowmaster | making a proper package is hard for some things |
| 12:33.40 | jelly | !tell abrotman about best |
| 12:33.43 | abrotman | yes, see the "not everyone wants to do that" :) |
| 12:34.12 | gnarface | if your only goal is to be able to compile some source with your ideal ./configure options and still have the option to apt-get --purge it, then checkinstall does very well |
| 12:34.14 | Arrowmaster | have you ever tried to make a recent mplayer package? using pbuilder? |
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| 12:34.32 | abrotman | i barely use mplayer, so no :) |
| 12:34.33 | Arrowmaster | last time i tried it didnt even have an mplayer binary in it! |
| 12:34.36 | jelly | Arrowmaster: using d-m sources + uupdate? |
| 12:35.14 | Arrowmaster | jelly: uupdate? |
| 12:35.21 | jelly | !uupdate |
| 12:35.21 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
| 12:35.24 | shl_ | Arrowmaster: assuming I can mount the raid device, what is the chroot procedure, roughly? |
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| 12:35.53 | shl_ | Arrowmaster: chroot /mnt/sda2 /bin/bash and then some magic grub command that I can't figure out |
| 12:36.03 | jelly | shl_: /usr/sbin/install-grub |
| 12:36.23 | jelly | shl_: and a device. you'll have to mount /dev and I think /proc inside that chroot |
| 12:36.58 | shl_ | jelly: how do I mount dev and proc? |
| 12:37.02 | jelly | shl_: (outside chroot) mount --bind /dev /mnt/sda2/dev |
| 12:37.56 | Arrowmaster | jelly: ill have to try with uupdate in the future, last time i just took the d-m source and copied its debian/ over to my svn checkout and tried to build that in pbuilder |
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| 12:38.30 | jelly | Arrowmaster: that's pretty much what uupdate does if the .diff.gz puts _everything_ in debian/ |
| 12:38.42 | Arrowmaster | it did |
| 12:38.42 | dalias | can anyone recommend software in debian for loading osngs onto an ipod? |
| 12:39.37 | jelly | dalias: are you using a desktop environment like gnome or kde; if you do, which one? |
| 12:39.40 | Arrowmaster | issue was that while it was building i noticed the configure script didnt find a lot of things but it kept going and then the package it built was missing any binaries |
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| 12:40.11 | jelly | Arrowmaster: that's a bit weird, did the chroot omit d-m deb-src? |
| 12:40.33 | Arrowmaster | no i think i had it in there |
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| 12:41.04 | dalias | jelly, no. well i am using xfce, but i'm not looking for any fancy integration |
| 12:41.25 | dalias | this is to upshare songs with a friend who made the mistake of buying an ipod rather than a good mp3 player you can just mount and copy files onto :) |
| 12:41.34 | jelly | dalias: I'm just trying to figure out whether to suggest a kde app or something with gtk |
| 12:42.16 | dalias | i'm more concerned about if it can let me just copy songs without having to make a "music library" and "sync" and all that |
| 12:42.44 | dalias | than which gui toolkit it uses |
| 12:43.15 | dalias | i have a couple kde apps installed so i have the kde libs, and of course i have gtk and its close cousins |
| 12:44.37 | jelly | then I don't know. apt-cache search iPod :-| |
| 12:45.01 | jelly | because you don't want an amarok or rhythmbox |
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| 12:45.30 | dalias | maybe gtkpod.. i'm checking its website |
| 12:45.40 | Arrowmaster | wants a foobar2000 port =( |
| 12:45.43 | jelly | ,versions ifuse |
| 12:45.45 | judd | ifuse -- sid: 1.0.0-1; squeeze: 1.0.0-1 |
| 12:45.53 | jelly | hmph |
| 12:46.46 | dalias | looks like it might work |
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| 12:47.14 | astier | wasn't there a script or tool to automatically delete localizations one doesn't need? |
| 12:47.23 | astier | or do I have to do that manually? |
| 12:47.27 | jelly | astier: locale-purge ? |
| 12:47.37 | dalias | yep i forget the name tho |
| 12:47.40 | astier | that's only for libc6 locales, right? |
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| 12:47.54 | dalias | i usesd to use it all the time |
| 12:48.06 | jelly | judd: info localepurge |
| 12:48.07 | judd | localepurge (admin, optional): Automagically remove unnecessary locale data. Version: 0.5.9-0.2; Size: 37.2k; Installed: 156k |
| 12:48.19 | Arrowmaster | dalias: fyi i think your backspace is broken |
| 12:48.32 | dalias | its irssi being idiotic |
| 12:48.43 | dalias | it thinks i'm pasting because i have 50000+ ping and multiple lines come in at once |
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| 12:49.31 | shl_ | so I chrooted into the system using debian rescue mode. i run grub-install /dev/sda and it complains it can't read stage1 correctly |
| 12:49.32 | dalias | /set paste_detect_keycount 100000 |
| 12:49.32 | dalias | that should fix it |
| 12:49.35 | shl_ | what gives? |
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| 12:50.26 | jelly | shl_: can you pastebin the whole message? |
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| 12:51.26 | shl_ | "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 12:51.32 | Arrowmaster | jelly: this should be good, you going to help him install pastebinit on to his chrooted system? |
| 12:51.37 | shl_ | dmesg shows no hardware errors when reading disk |
| 12:51.39 | Arrowmaster | ah that was it? |
| 12:52.13 | Arrowmaster | shl_: did you mount /boot too like you did with /dev and /proc? |
| 12:52.35 | jelly | Arrowmaster: that'd be the wrong way to do it |
| 12:52.41 | Arrowmaster | or maybe it did it automatically |
| 12:52.47 | jelly | shl_: do you have a separate /boot partition? |
| 12:52.53 | Arrowmaster | he does |
| 12:53.08 | jelly | missed it |
| 12:53.36 | shl_ | i mounted with the rescue mode from deb installer netinst cd, which does all the /proc and /dev work for you |
| 12:54.05 | Arrowmaster | ok just double check but youve got a /boot in your chroot right? |
| 12:54.10 | jelly | shl_: do you have a separate /boot partition? |
| 12:54.24 | Arrowmaster | does it have a /boot/grub/stage1 ? |
| 12:54.27 | shl_ | yeah, separate boot partition |
| 12:54.35 | shl_ | it has /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 12:54.43 | jelly | shl_: is it mounted inside the chroot at present time? |
| 12:54.52 | shl_ | it is mounted in the chroot |
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| 12:55.22 | jelly | shl_: grep boot /proc/mounts |
| 12:55.46 | Optic | mooo |
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| 12:56.00 | shl_ | jelly: no output |
| 12:56.13 | shl_ | but `mount` shows it as mounted |
| 12:56.22 | jelly | shl_: then it either isn't separate or it's not mounted |
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| 12:56.32 | jelly | shl_: mount lies. |
| 12:57.10 | jelly | shl_: (explanation: mount is reading leftover cache of mount points from /etc/mtab, it's not updated when you use chroot) |
| 12:57.25 | jelly | same thing with df |
| 12:57.36 | shl_ | jelly interesting |
| 12:58.16 | shl_ | jelly: grub-install /dev/sda now runs correctly. rebooting for testing... |
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| 12:58.29 | jelly | output from mount in a rescue chroot is bogus; the only filesystems mounted will be those you... actually mounted |
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| 13:00.20 | shl_ | well, what a shame. I still get "Operating system not found" |
| 13:00.27 | shl_ | i've never had this problem before |
| 13:01.07 | jelly | shl_: that sounds like bios is handing the boot process off to an empty disk.. is there an usb stick plugged in at boot time |
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| 13:01.16 | Arrowmaster | i still need to figure out why my menu.lst is never updated |
| 13:01.34 | shl_ | jelly: no usb stick or anything like that |
| 13:01.51 | Arrowmaster | shl_: you are using a raid1 right? |
| 13:01.53 | jelly | shl_: or a second disk; or has the boot order in bios tampered with |
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| 13:02.10 | jelly | been |
| 13:02.25 | shl_ | I use sofftware RAID1, but the boo partition is not under raid (cause I didn't think that would work) |
| 13:02.44 | shl_ | I have /boot setup on /dev/sda MBR |
| 13:03.01 | jelly | shl_: meh, grub-install /dev/sdb as well |
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| 13:03.45 | shl_ | will that require me to setup a /boot2 partition on /dev/sdb1 or sthing? and copy the content of /boot over? |
| 13:03.57 | jelly | shl_: no, just run that command |
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| 13:04.29 | shl_ | I will in a bit, first i'm booting with just sda connected. that should bring the system up with failed RAID1 status |
| 13:04.39 | jelly | shl_: or make sure you're booting from the right disk in bios |
| 13:05.02 | shl_ | bios still complains "operating system not found" and only sda is attached |
| 13:05.14 | jelly | that was expected |
| 13:05.25 | shl_ | (sda and sdb are different sizes, so I know for sure I installed grub to correct disk) |
| 13:05.27 | jelly | hm, perhaps not |
| 13:05.50 | jelly | and those are the only two disks present? |
| 13:05.55 | shl_ | yes |
| 13:06.14 | jelly | shl_: which brand, model is this machine? |
| 13:06.54 | shl_ | hp proliant ML 110 g5 |
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| 13:07.09 | shl_ | hardware raid disabled |
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| 13:09.06 | jelly | I've no experience with low end proliants. I suppose it's not dissimilar to a DL320 with SATA disks and intel sata chipset |
| 13:09.39 | astier | just cause linux designates something as sda, doesn't mean the BIOS does the same |
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| 13:09.57 | astier | and grub detection which disk is first is far from foolproof... |
| 13:10.22 | Arrowmaster | hell my sda is my hardware raid controller which i am not booting from |
| 13:10.28 | jelly | astier: even when there's only one hdd in the machine? |
| 13:10.42 | astier | then not. but he talks about sda and sdb, no? |
| 13:10.55 | astier | and he mentions raid. so there must be 2 disks by definition |
| 13:10.56 | jelly | shl_: leave just one disk in; boot knoppix, redo install-grub |
| 13:11.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah maybe you pulled the disk with the /boot on it |
| 13:11.29 | Arrowmaster | instead of the other one |
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| 13:12.58 | shl_ | ok, just sda connected, booted from rescue, did mount /dev/sda1 /boot; updated /dev/grub/devices.map to remove all reference to sdb, did grub-install /dev/sda and rebooted |
| 13:13.03 | shl_ | still no OS found |
| 13:13.14 | jelly | shl_: it's possible bios is not configured to boot off SATA devices at all |
| 13:13.45 | jelly | shl_: is there a boot device menu somewhere to explicitely choose your single hdd to boot from? |
| 13:13.57 | shl_ | nope, bios is a bit simple actually |
| 13:14.12 | shl_ | but it booted windows 2003 of sda before |
| 13:14.39 | jelly | shl_: there ought to be F8, F9, F10 keys doing something on a Proliant after the POST stuff |
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| 13:15.49 | shl_ | It's F10, but I can only config HD / CD / PXE precedence |
| 13:15.57 | shl_ | i can't influence specific drives |
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| 13:22.35 | shl_ | so I enabled the raid functionality in bios, but kept the config as JBOD, and now it works |
| 13:22.41 | shl_ | it's some proliant BIOS problem |
| 13:23.17 | cantoma | guys, when I do "ls *.mp3" I get "ls: invalid option --" Should this happen? |
| 13:23.35 | shl_ | thanks for the help |
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| 13:23.49 | Arrowmaster | cantoma: try "ls -- *.mp3" |
| 13:24.15 | cantoma | Arrowmaster, now it looks fine |
| 13:24.23 | frostschutz | cantoma: when a mp3 is named -- at the beginning, yes |
| 13:24.24 | cantoma | Arrowmaster, what is the difference? |
| 13:24.37 | Arrowmaster | you have a file that starts with a - |
| 13:24.44 | cantoma | Arrowmaster, i see |
| 13:24.46 | cantoma | I do |
| 13:24.54 | frostschutz | cantoma: don't use - at the beginning of filenames, and -- makes most programs stop looking for further options |
| 13:25.21 | cantoma | - Lady Gaga - Just Dance.mp3 |
| 13:25.29 | cantoma | loool |
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| 13:26.38 | cantoma | frostschutz, how can I ls this files individually so that I can mv them |
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| 13:27.15 | jelly | cantoma: do you want to ls them or ot mv them? |
| 13:27.23 | cantoma | jelly, mv them |
| 13:27.35 | cantoma | take out the - |
| 13:27.43 | cantoma | like from - Lady Gaga - Just Dance.mp3 |
| 13:27.55 | jelly | cantoma: mv -- "- Lady Gaga - Just Dance.mp3" "Lady Gaga - Just Dance.mp3" |
| 13:28.43 | cantoma | jelly, perfect :) |
| 13:28.48 | jelly | cantoma: also, mv "./- Lady Gaga - Just Dance.mp3" foo |
| 13:29.07 | cantoma | so it always needs the " " |
| 13:29.15 | jelly | !tell cantoma about bash pitfalls |
| 13:29.50 | jelly | cantoma: "" are there because space is a parameter delimiter |
| 13:29.52 | cantoma | jelly, thanks i will have a look |
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| 13:34.35 | jelly | cantoma: you seem to have hit the top three pitfalls with your initial query ;-) |
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| 14:03.35 | demism | Hi, I'm trying to erase a directory but it says no such file or directory, but I clearly see said directory, anyway to fix this? |
| 14:04.49 | tellurian | demism: what command are you using to "erase" the directory ? |
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| 14:05.14 | jpinx-eeepc | demism: "see" - how? |
| 14:05.38 | demism | rm -rf and rmdir |
| 14:06.11 | demism | jpinx-eeepc: I did a file on it and it says it's a directory, did a ls -al and it's there as well |
| 14:06.49 | jpinx-eeepc | you need to read man ls and man rm ;) If there is stuff in the directory you have to remove that |
| 14:07.20 | babilen | ... if you still think something is wrong paste relevant commands and output to a pastebin |
| 14:07.20 | demism | jpinx-eeepc: there is nothing inside of it :) |
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| 14:07.53 | tellurian | what babilen said. |
| 14:07.57 | jpinx-eeepc | demism: what babilen said... |
| 14:08.34 | jordanm | demism: are you sure that the file does not contain odd characters, such as a newline in the filename? |
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| 14:08.47 | jordanm | s/filename/dir name/ |
| 14:09.06 | jelly | jordanm: well a directory is a file too! :-D |
| 14:09.32 | tellurian | I'm curious as to the result of 'pwd' and whether the argument to rm is absolute or relative... |
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| 14:10.03 | jelly | I'm... waiting for a pastebin. |
| 14:10.05 | jpinx-eeepc | just do rm -R 1st-few-chrs <tab> till it shows correctly and return |
| 14:10.08 | demism | jordanm: I can go into the directory, but I cannot mv it or erase it, and permissions are fine. |
| 14:10.22 | jpinx-eeepc | and then curse the fact that is contained something you now want :) |
| 14:10.26 | jordanm | demism: yet you still have not posted the commands |
| 14:10.55 | demism | will do :) |
| 14:11.12 | babilen | demism: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:12.58 | demism | http://paste.debian.net/82116/ |
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| 14:14.46 | jelly | demism: find . -print0 -type d|hexdump -C |
| 14:14.54 | jelly | demism: and try not to munge the output. |
| 14:15.38 | jpinx-eeepc | would try to rename it |
| 14:15.42 | jelly | demism: (pastebin the output of that command as well) |
| 14:15.51 | demism | http://paste.debian.net/82117/ |
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| 14:18.48 | jelly | demism: readlink -f . ? |
| 14:19.34 | demism | jelly: just lists its absolute path |
| 14:19.41 | jelly | demism: which is? |
| 14:20.16 | demism | /media/hd/Pictures/.directory |
| 14:20.30 | jelly | demism: which filesystem type is this? |
| 14:20.33 | jpinx-eeepc | ro filesystem? |
| 14:20.45 | jelly | suspects ntfs-3g |
| 14:20.51 | jpinx-eeepc | how has it been mounted? |
| 14:20.57 | jordanm | I would expect ro to give an "operation not permitted" error |
| 14:21.02 | demism | it is definitely not read-only but yes, it is ntfs |
| 14:21.17 | jelly | jordanm: you expect too much from fuse based filesystems |
| 14:21.37 | jordanm | hehe, maybe |
| 14:21.37 | jpinx-eeepc | demism: use a gui filemanage |
| 14:21.39 | jpinx-eeepc | r |
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| 14:21.48 | jelly | demism: umount it; mount it again; try removing it again. |
| 14:22.31 | jelly | demism: which debian release are you using? grep /media/hd /proc/mounts |
| 14:22.42 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly: depends if it is automounting ? |
| 14:22.58 | jelly | suspects ntfs-3g is buggy crap |
| 14:23.05 | demism | jpinx-eeepc: it is automounting |
| 14:23.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Eeewww |
| 14:23.15 | jelly | especially an older version thereof |
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| 14:24.16 | jpinx-eeepc | demism: unmount it by hand and see if you can remount by hand specifying rw (even though that's the default) |
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| 14:24.25 | jelly | demism: also, dpkg -l libc6 ntfs-3g ntfsprogs | tail -3, please |
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| 14:24.44 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly: yea - my ntfs-3g sulks occasionally |
| 14:24.49 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: that's not useful until we figure out which filesystem is actually used |
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| 14:25.40 | jelly | it might be rw, but that's not going to help if it's ntfs-3g and it's become confused about the underlying fs structure |
| 14:25.45 | essial-work | Hey I'm going to move to debian on this laptop but I'm trying to figure out if (and what) 64-bit arch to use. I have a Core2 Duo |
| 14:25.53 | abrotman | essial-work: amd64 or i386 |
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| 14:26.24 | essial-work | Well duh on i386 :) Just making sure.. ia64 is for special servers right? |
| 14:26.35 | demism | http://paste.debian.net/82123/ |
| 14:26.36 | jelly | essial-work: do you have more than 3GiB RAM? Do you want to be able to run Adobe Flash? |
| 14:26.50 | essial-work | I have 2 GiB of ram, and I could give two shits about flash |
| 14:26.55 | jelly | demism: #ubuntu is over there --> |
| 14:27.18 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 14:27.18 | jelly | demism: well, at least you have a relatively recent ntfs-3g |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | essial-work: ia64 is for itanium, you don't have that |
| 14:27.34 | demism | #ubuntu is no bueno |
| 14:27.40 | essial-work | Another note: I have a BCM4322 wireless chip |
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| 14:28.02 | abrotman | demism: this channel does not support ubuntu, go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 14:28.07 | abrotman | essial-work: and? |
| 14:28.15 | jpinx-eeepc | demism: you could install debina ;) |
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| 14:28.23 | essial-work | just seeing if that's an issue or if I have to do something special after installing to get it to work |
| 14:28.24 | jpinx-eeepc | debian - even... |
| 14:28.35 | tellurian | ooh new OS ... debina .. is it pretty ? |
| 14:28.35 | essial-work | I know ubuntu picks it up no problem, and opensuse requires running a special script |
| 14:28.38 | jelly | demism: this channel is not the right place to sak about issues in Ubuntu. You can try replicate this under debian then we'll have a common platform to test stuff |
| 14:28.49 | abrotman | essial-work: /msg dpkg b43 .. see what it says |
| 14:29.02 | abrotman | essial-work: IIRC, it's as easy as getting the firmware |
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| 14:29.28 | thewanderer1 | essial-work: you might have to install some drivers after installation, due to Debian's policy regarding non-free drivers. other than that, amd64 works out of the box (Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, running without flash too - I don't care :P ) |
| 14:29.35 | essial-work | So just grab the b43 stuff in aptitude then |
| 14:29.39 | jelly | demism: if you have a Windows machine nearby, connect the disk there and check for filesystem errors, then remove the directory there |
| 14:29.59 | abrotman | i think he can go to #ubuntu now |
| 14:30.05 | essial-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.30 | essial-work | the typical gnash+cookie block |
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| 14:30.50 | essial-work | But I found a copy of the double rainbow song encoded for HTML5 so I don't even need flash at all now |
| 14:31.30 | essial-work | Any real advantage speed-wise for 64-bit over 32-bit? |
| 14:31.41 | demism | jelly: Yeah I'll try that, sorry for the cross-platforming, but I like the help you guys provide a lot better. Problem is I have no idea how to make all my drivers work in debian, where in ubuntu it works out the box. I tried it, and believe me would love a debian build, but after fiddling around with it for a week and not getting certain devices to work, I through in my cards. Thanks again guys! :) |
| 14:32.05 | demism | s/through/thre |
| 14:32.17 | thewanderer1 | essial-work: I don't notice this in daily use, mainly because I haven't used i386 for ages |
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| 14:32.38 | thewanderer1 | essial-work: but at least hardware virtualization works as advertised |
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| 14:33.08 | Nephfl | for some reason apt wants to uninstall my kernel, how do I get it to forget about that? |
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| 14:33.29 | essial-work | apt hates your guts |
| 14:33.43 | abrotman | Nephfl: put it in a pastebin |
| 14:33.50 | abrotman | the command you used, and the output |
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| 14:34.14 | Nephfl | any apt command requires removal of linux-image... |
| 14:34.22 | abrotman | pastebin .. thanks again |
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| 14:35.36 | SparFux | Hi. Can I use libpam-mount to enable users to mount their usb stick on demand and not immediately on login? |
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| 14:36.20 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: no, you're missing its purpose. use pmount for this. |
| 14:36.27 | essial-work | what's the url for the mini-cd for unstable (new) |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | essial-work: there isn't one for unstable |
| 14:36.41 | essial-work | well you know what I mean |
| 14:36.51 | essial-work | for desktops, it wasn't the regular download |
| 14:37.00 | abrotman | essial-work: which architecture ? |
| 14:37.04 | essial-work | amd64 |
| 14:37.08 | SparFux | thewanderer1: what about the mount.crypt command? Can I use it to mount a cryptodrive with only one command, ie. save me from cryptdisks_start'ing the drive first? |
| 14:37.14 | Nephfl | http://pastebin.com/csyEZvut |
| 14:37.15 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:37.29 | essial-work | thanks |
| 14:37.30 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: pmount will handle LUKS-encrypted drives. |
| 14:37.31 | abrotman | Nephfl: try with aptitude |
| 14:37.41 | essial-work | thank god I don't have to fight nouveau on this install |
| 14:37.42 | abrotman | Nephfl: also make sure linux-image-686 is installed |
| 14:37.44 | essial-work | god I hate nouveau |
| 14:37.57 | thewanderer1 | nouveau works for me in daily usage :) |
| 14:38.09 | essial-work | Oh it works, the problem is I can't get it to STOP working very easily |
| 14:38.22 | essial-work | trying to boot into linux without nouveau loaded in is an exercise in frustration |
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| 14:38.34 | SparFux | essial-work: nouveau works better than many other drivers. |
| 14:38.43 | essial-work | not for my 9800GTX+ |
| 14:38.54 | essial-work | I get 600fps on glxgears and compiz runs like hell with nouveau |
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| 14:39.09 | essial-work | I get like 3,800fps and silky smooth compiz with binary drivers |
| 14:39.10 | abrotman | maybe if nvidia weren't the company from hell, it wouldn't be necessary |
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| 14:39.32 | essial-work | Well at least their binary drivers don't suck as bad as ATI |
| 14:39.46 | essial-work | ATI drivers were so shitty for windows a guy actually made his own set of drivers |
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| 14:40.04 | SparFux | essial-work: I have about 50 fps in glxgears. |
| 14:40.18 | essial-work | sounds like you have vsync on |
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| 14:40.33 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I once tried pmount, I will try again to get it working... |
| 14:40.52 | abrotman | !tell SparFux about automount |
| 14:40.59 | Nephfl | http://pastebin.com/2RZVfuuk |
| 14:41.29 | abrotman | Nephfl: aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:41.37 | essial-work | this lappy has your typical intel gma chipset so it's never been an issue as intel always gives out their device specifications |
| 14:41.59 | essial-work | Although OpenSuSE seems to still somewhat fail at it somehow |
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| 14:43.39 | Nephfl | http://pastebin.com/i1cXARBY |
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| 14:44.08 | SparFux | Ah, I get it. pmount is not able to mount a device with "pmount <cryptodevicename> |
| 14:44.09 | dvs | essial-work: what? ATI has released it's specs and the kernel developers are incorporating them into the kernel. |
| 14:44.10 | abrotman | Nephfl: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a paste |
| 14:44.29 | essial-work | yeah NOW, but not a few years back when I chose my video card |
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| 14:44.41 | dvs | AH |
| 14:44.58 | essial-work | back then nvidia had binary drivers for most linux versions, and ATI had fsck-all |
| 14:45.29 | essial-work | be back in debian :) |
| 14:45.29 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: pmount calls cryptsetup under the hood, so mounting an encrypted device doesn't differ from a normal one. plus, GNOME and KDE can do the mounting for you. |
| 14:45.54 | Shadur | nvidia still has drivers for most linux versions that use the x86 architecture. |
| 14:46.15 | abrotman | just not for all their cards |
| 14:46.22 | Nephfl | http://pastebin.com/vnW27EAb |
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| 14:46.38 | jelly | abrotman: obviously one needs to buy latest cards! |
| 14:46.39 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I tried halevt, but failed to set it up the way I wanted. Basically I want to mount all partitions of the usb device into something like /media/stick/partition and then perhaps even be able to umount with one command every of the stick's partiitons and deconfigure cryptodevice. |
| 14:47.20 | abrotman | Nephfl: uncomment line 7, aptitude update && aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 && aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 14:48.20 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: pmount does just that |
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| 14:49.02 | SparFux | thewanderer1: $ pmount sdc2 --> mount: only root can mount /dev/sdc2 on /media/bup/2 |
| 14:49.11 | thewanderer1 | add your user to plugdev |
| 14:49.15 | SparFux | user is in plugdev. |
| 14:49.27 | thewanderer1 | then your device's permissions are screwed |
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| 14:49.33 | SparFux | id -a lists the user's group plugdev. |
| 14:49.43 | abrotman | Nephfl: working better? |
| 14:49.58 | SparFux | thewanderer1: oh yeah, group is floppy. |
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| 14:50.13 | SparFux | and of some sd? devices, it's disk. |
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| 14:51.02 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: perhaps add your user to the floppy group |
| 14:51.22 | SparFux | thewanderer1: oh my god. floppy group for the usb sticks? :-) |
| 14:51.46 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I'd tink my udev config is screwed. udev creates the nodes in /dev, right? |
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| 14:52.36 | SparFux | hm... no floppy in /etc/udev. |
| 14:52.36 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: yeah. and it does happen that it misrecognizes something... |
| 14:52.48 | thewanderer1 | /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 14:54.22 | SparFux | no floppy there. |
| 14:54.57 | thewanderer1 | then it's in /lib/udev/ |
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| 14:55.39 | SparFux | yes it is. in /lib/udev there is floppy string. hm.. what could be misrecognized. |
| 14:56.06 | Nephfl | http://pastebin.com/x3YRqx37 |
| 14:57.08 | SparFux | SUBSYSTEM=="block", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb|ieee1394|mmc|pcmcia", GROUP="floppy" sounds wrong! |
| 14:57.15 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 14:57.17 | abrotman | Nephfl: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 .. what is the versoin ? |
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| 14:57.46 | SparFux | how could it have gotten in there? in /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules |
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| 14:58.00 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: on my system I plug in a pendrive and what do I see? Group: floppy! |
| 14:58.12 | SparFux | really? |
| 14:58.17 | thewanderer1 | I'm starting to think that this is the "expected behaviour" |
| 14:58.19 | SparFux | Then no wonder I get floppy here, too. |
| 14:58.24 | thewanderer1 | then add your user to floppy group :P |
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| 14:58.50 | SparFux | oh come on, floppy. What's a floppy? That old thing which can hardly store 1MB and takes ages to load. |
| 14:58.55 | Nephfl | linux-image-2. 2.6.26-19 |
| 14:59.38 | tuvyz | what's the debconf10 channel? |
| 15:00.00 | thewanderer1 | Debian Conference commentary and participation |
| 15:00.08 | thewanderer1 | you should be able to comment on the lectures given |
| 15:00.38 | babilen | tuvyz: #debconf over at irc.oftc.net -- and #debconf-davis / #debconf-interschool |
| 15:00.43 | tuvyz | thewanderer1: i'm trying to find out what is the channel name. #debonf? |
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| 15:00.59 | SparFux | thewanderer1: is your user in group plugdev and floppy then? |
| 15:01.13 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 15:01.19 | SparFux | Ah. |
| 15:01.27 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: I always tweak my adduser.conf to add the user to these groups |
| 15:02.03 | SparFux | thewanderer1: it seems there is no need for the pmount user to be plugdev group. and that's weird. it sounds like a bug to me, just because it contradicts the documentation already. |
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| 15:02.33 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 15:02.35 | judd | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 -- lenny-security: 2.6.26-22lenny1; lenny: 2.6.26-24 |
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| 15:03.05 | abrotman | Nephfl: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. see if that works |
| 15:03.11 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: have you tried this without plugdev group? well, it might be the case when all you want to mount are "floppies" :D |
| 15:03.17 | SparFux | thewanderer1: even thouhg user is in group floppy now, too, I get message only root could mount that. |
| 15:03.37 | footo | how can i mount/unmount a share in a script without running it as root? |
| 15:03.48 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I want to mount a usb drive. |
| 15:04.45 | Nephfl | http://pastebin.com/2L8rwYvh |
| 15:05.03 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I might also need the "users" option in fstab. |
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| 15:05.35 | thewanderer1 | remove it from fstab |
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| 15:07.48 | SparFux | thewanderer1: that's weird. |
| 15:08.27 | dury | hi there all :) |
| 15:08.42 | abrotman | Nephfl: works better if you prefix my nick :) |
| 15:08.56 | qwd | I installed googlecl on Debian Sid and tried "google calendar list --date 2010-06-01,2010-08-30", then it asks for my username and after that I get an error saying I need to grant access via my browser. I've done this, but the error message keeps coming up. Any ideas? |
| 15:09.02 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I begin to suspect pmount is not able to do a "pmount mycryptousb" with cryptousb being configure in /etc/crypttab and key file stored in /etc/keys/mycryptousb.luks |
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| 15:09.17 | dury | how's it going for all of you? |
| 15:09.50 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: you don't need any of these, you just issue `pmount /dev/mypendrive1` and it does its job |
| 15:09.59 | abrotman | Nephfl: moment |
| 15:10.09 | thewanderer1 | unless you need a keyfile - then refer to the documentation |
| 15:10.38 | SparFux | thewanderer1: holy camoly, I think now it even mounted a device in a wrong place! |
| 15:10.56 | abrotman | Nephfl: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 ... what is the full verison number |
| 15:11.27 | SparFux | thewanderer1: Ah, I know, because there is on /dev/sdc1 entry in my fstab. |
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| 15:12.16 | Nephfl | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/jq1XpE4c |
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| 15:13.26 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I can mount /dev/sdc1 alright, but /dev/sdc2 which is crypted, gets error only root can mount it. Weird. |
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| 15:14.11 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: if you're doing a non-standard setup, then I can't be of much help |
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| 15:14.15 | SparFux | thewanderer1: Ah! Again it's one totally different fstab entry, sry. |
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| 15:14.56 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I got the reason. my fstab is containing a different device sdc2 and it does not contain a "users" option entry. It should be /dev/uuid/by-label or whatever. |
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| 15:15.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah, it should... |
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| 15:16.06 | _Dave123_ | i have a new dedicated server, with X installed, and tight vnc server running. However, the keyboard layout is very strange, almost get no normal char when I type.. How could I fix this possibly? |
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| 15:17.21 | SparFux | thewanderer1: it's not exactly what I want. I would like to be able to use the crypto device name to mount and have the passphrase read from /etc/keys/keyfile.luks. |
| 15:17.36 | abrotman | Nephfl: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20090819T230402Z/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19_i386.deb |
| 15:18.02 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: then refer to it by UUID |
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| 15:18.28 | SparFux | thewanderer1: with uuid pmount would be capable of mounting it by mapper name? |
| 15:19.12 | thewanderer1 | try it - it should be |
| 15:19.20 | SARC | does anyone know of a way to do an unattended install of mysql-server other than with debconf-set-selections |
| 15:19.42 | karlpinc | _Dave123_: Possibly: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:20.53 | SparFux | thewanderer1: it seems it's not. |
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| 15:22.28 | SparFux | thewanderer1: you know, the only thing I would want is an option for mount to call cryptsetup to setup a luks device. Like mount option luks=<myluksname> |
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| 15:28.04 | SparFux | thewanderer1: and I don't like about pmount, that it simply tries to mount the fs types one by one. Looking at the on-disc image and checking for the fs type this way is way faster. |
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| 15:29.33 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: write a script for you to mount your device with cryptsetup and mount |
| 15:29.48 | thewanderer1 | or look for packages - there are at least a few to do this |
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| 15:30.14 | SparFux | thewanderer1: grml-crypt can do it. But all this seems a mess to me. One should clean those things up. |
| 15:31.40 | SARC | does anyone know of a way to do an unattended install of mysql-server other than with debconf-set-selections |
| 15:31.58 | SparFux | thewanderer1: I mean, policy mount, nice idea. But sounds more like handling access policies, and not on-disc encryption. Handling encryption should be done by mount command. |
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| 15:34.25 | ubsafder | can i use virtualbox on squeeze ? |
| 15:34.30 | qwd | ubsafder: yes |
| 15:35.19 | SARC | under what conditions will apt-get install delete informaiton from debconf? |
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| 15:37.44 | minh | What kind of hash-algorith is used for /etc/shadow ? |
| 15:37.45 | ubsafder | i can get VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sat Jul 24 02:27:10 UTC 2010 i686 |
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| 15:37.57 | ubsafder | i can't |
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| 15:38.33 | rudi_s | minh: man shadow and man 3 crypt |
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| 15:39.04 | minh | rudi_s: thanks! I'll look that up! (just did apropos shadow) |
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| 15:39.59 | SparFux | I think usbmount cannot handle cryptodevices. Why? Because it's a featuer unique to pmount, because it wasn't implemented into mount itself :-) |
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| 15:41.12 | minh | rudi_s: it has a $1$ in front of it...so it's 'md5-based' |
| 15:41.25 | minh | but it's not the standard md5 actually |
| 15:41.29 | minh | what does that mean? |
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| 15:42.15 | Nephfl | abrtman: sorry, not sure what I should do with that package |
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| 15:42.58 | rudi_s | minh: No idea, I though it's plain md5. The man page mentions "(instead of only the first 8 bytes in MD5).", but I don't know more. |
| 15:43.46 | minh | rudi_s: hmm...I'll hit you back as soon as I find out more details |
| 15:44.34 | moldovean | ubsafder, i beg you need a reboot to get that module, virtualbox-ose-dkms will take care of it on reboot |
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| 15:46.02 | SARC | needs a scripting guru to tell him what he's doing so wrong. |
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| 15:47.59 | Nephfl | abrotman: sorry, not sure what I should do with that package <corrected typo> |
| 15:49.51 | SARC | do i need to pass a certain flag in apt-get to make it use debconf-set-selections? |
| 15:50.06 | arcsky | which takes most cpu/mem cat file|grep lol or grep lol file ? |
| 15:51.03 | dkr | the first obviously |
| 15:51.21 | arcsky | how it comes? |
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| 15:51.57 | dkr | because you are running two separate programs and shuffling data between them vs one program reading the data itself |
| 15:52.20 | dkr | not that the difference is large. but it certainly exists. :) |
| 15:53.35 | Computer | is there a good reason that grub2 is not installed with the lenny base system, but that it is included on the tree anyway? |
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| 15:54.05 | abrotman | Nephfl: install it |
| 15:54.07 | Computer | its in beta, but is it considered "stable" ? |
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| 15:54.32 | abrotman | Nephfl: i'm headed off to lunch, if you can't install it directly with dpkg, put it in your apt cache and try again |
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| 15:56.25 | SparFux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:57.04 | rudi_s | Computer: It wasn't stable enough when lenny was released, it's the default in squeeze AFAIK. |
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| 15:59.17 | Nephfl | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/LbkG4uAg |
| 15:59.17 | _Dave123_ | karlpinc: for european latin, what should i choose? |
| 15:59.45 | Nephfl | abrotman: just saw last message |
| 15:59.55 | niklaswe | hmm does someone know how i will turn off so dhclient doesn't overwrite my resolv.conf.. I cant find anything about it :/ |
| 16:00.05 | darkskiez__ | having a grub-pc issue installing squeeze, grub-probe isnt finding the hdd |
| 16:00.45 | karlpinc | _Dave123_: I don't know. Better tell the channel what you're doing and ask it. (And I'm not sure if locales is where the keyboard is reconfigured.) Surely this stuff is in the debian manual somewhere. |
| 16:00.48 | Computer | rudi_s: i thought the rules were that the packages in the repository were "stable" |
| 16:01.10 | karlpinc | Computer: That does not mean that they do not have bugs. |
| 16:01.20 | Computer | i see |
| 16:02.41 | karlpinc | Computer: There's no quality threshold, excepting satifying debian policy. Although somebody must be choosing something to be installed by default. I don't know how that process works. |
| 16:02.46 | darkskiez__ | niklaswe: you need to make a hooks file that disables that bit |
| 16:03.44 | SARC | Is there a problem with the syntax in my script? http://pastebin.com/ZFrsgUWW |
| 16:04.13 | niklaswe | darkskiez__: ah will google for it then :) ty for the help |
| 16:04.38 | darkskiez__ | niklaswe: that was the case when i last had to do that anyway :) |
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| 16:06.00 | themill | SARC: from line 47 onwards you are clearly on some very trippy drugs, but I presume that's not what you are really asking about. |
| 16:06.33 | SARC | themill: no, its the debconf thats tripping me up |
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| 16:08.01 | niklaswe | darkskiez__: i found something that i can specify nameserver in dhclient.conf and remove request for domian-name-servers.. i will look if that works.. |
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| 16:08.55 | themill | SARC: as mentioned yesterday, it's a "password" not a "select". The rest of the debconf line is fine. You could also install all the packages in one aptitude run which would make the process much faster. |
| 16:09.45 | SARC | can you explain what you mean by "its not a select?" |
| 16:09.59 | SARC | select as in select from a list of items? |
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| 16:11.32 | SARC | themill: select as in select from a list of items? |
| 16:12.46 | SARC | anyone? is that what themill was trying to say? |
| 16:12.48 | jelly-home | SARC: as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_button |
| 16:12.57 | SARC | jelly-home: thank you |
| 16:13.12 | themill | SARC: yes. The debconf-doc package might be helpful to you at this stage. |
| 16:13.15 | jelly-home | ("select exactly one of many options") |
| 16:13.39 | SARC | all of the examples i have seen use the word select |
| 16:13.59 | jelly-home | contrast it with multiselect |
| 16:13.59 | SARC | so would the correct fix be to remove the word select, or change it to something like password? |
| 16:14.09 | jelly-home | or indeed password |
| 16:14.27 | SARC | jelly-home: i will try that |
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| 16:15.07 | jelly-home | don't listen to me though, haven't made a proper package in years and possibly never |
| 16:16.07 | SARC | its funny because all of the examples i have seen use the word "select" for the mysql password |
| 16:16.57 | SARC | debconf-doc does specify a type for password |
| 16:17.20 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 16:17.20 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 16:17.36 | jelly-home | some of them might also merely be wrong |
| 16:17.42 | SirDerigo | hi guys |
| 16:17.42 | jelly-home | from the start |
| 16:17.48 | SirDerigo | anyone here uses rekall?? |
| 16:17.49 | SARC | they truly were not |
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| 16:18.23 | legba7 | when i compile and install a module (ucvvideo) with make install, how do i get the old module back? |
| 16:19.24 | tzafrir | legba7, the old module is from a certain package? |
| 16:19.36 | tzafrir | (linux-image-`uname -r` or whatever)? |
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| 16:19.47 | legba7 | tzafir: doc says it is in the kernel!? |
| 16:20.14 | legba7 | tzafrir: reinstall the kernelpackage? |
| 16:20.16 | tzafrir | legba7, which doc? |
| 16:20.41 | braindump | Anyone here at DebConf? |
| 16:21.48 | legba7 | tzafir: "Linux 2.6.26 and newer includes the Linux UVC driver natively. You will not need to download the driver sources manually unless you want to test a newer version or help with development." |
| 16:22.21 | legba7 | tzafrir: http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ |
| 16:23.30 | themill | SARC: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 debconf" for us |
| 16:23.48 | tzafrir | legba7, the package I mentioned (`uname -r` should be substituted with something like 2.6.26-2-686 for Lenny), |
| 16:23.51 | datacrusher | how do i list the groups i have on my debian machine? |
| 16:24.23 | tzafrir | has the files of the kernel package - kernel image, kernel modules, and such |
| 16:24.29 | jelly-home | datacrusher: getent group |
| 16:24.31 | themill | datacrusher: "getent group" |
| 16:25.14 | legba7 | tzafrir: thank you |
| 16:25.17 | tzafrir | legba7, So, if you reinstall that package (aptitude reinstall PACKAGE # or whatever) |
| 16:25.22 | tzafrir | you get them back |
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| 16:26.11 | datacrusher | isnt to add an user to a group usermod user -a -g group ? |
| 16:26.29 | SARC | themill: i can give you access to the box |
| 16:26.32 | jelly-home | braindump: <babilen> tuvyz: #debconf over at irc.oftc.net -- and #debconf-davis / #debconf-interschool |
| 16:26.38 | SARC | themill: im in command line only |
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| 16:26.54 | themill | SARC: no thanks... just pastebin the info is enough. |
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| 16:26.59 | SARC | cant |
| 16:27.15 | braindump | thanks jelly-home |
| 16:27.16 | SARC | cant get info from command-line on one machine to irc on another |
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| 16:28.25 | themill | SARC: then install the "netcat" package and run: (apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 debconf) | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 16:28.38 | legba7 | datacrusher: sudo adduser datacrusher usergroup |
| 16:28.48 | SARC | ok |
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| 16:29.33 | datacrusher | legba7, the user already exists |
| 16:29.53 | sudhi1 | is there any solution for the error " Set Encode error 80BA" while connecting to wifi? |
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| 16:30.23 | legba7 | datacrusher: it adds even an existing user to the group |
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| 16:30.36 | datacrusher | oh thanks |
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| 16:31.08 | legba7 | datacrusher: you are welcome |
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| 16:39.24 | djura-san | o/ |
| 16:42.02 | SARC | themill: http://paste.debian.net/82156 |
| 16:42.41 | SARC | themill: (this is before i run my script) |
| 16:43.11 | themill | yeah, that looks sane enough |
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| 16:44.51 | SARC | themill' |
| 16:45.00 | SARC | do you want me to try anything else? |
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| 16:47.31 | themill | SARC: are you testing this out in a VM or on a real machine? What are you doing between each test? |
| 16:48.45 | SARC | themill: its on a real machine |
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| 16:49.38 | SARC | themill: changing the "select" to "password" seems to not put anything in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 16:49.50 | themill | What are you doing between each test? |
| 16:50.03 | SARC | clean install :) |
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| 16:50.54 | themill | SARC: so /var/lib/mysql is empty at that stage? |
| 16:51.04 | themill | (or non-existant, in fact) |
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| 16:52.36 | SARC | themill: /var/lib/mysql exsists with 5 files (logs) and 1 directory (mysql) |
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| 16:52.49 | themill | it shouldn't if it's a clean install |
| 16:52.58 | SARC | oh |
| 16:53.11 | SARC | i thought you meant after i run the script |
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| 16:53.45 | SARC | themill: i will reinstall |
| 16:58.59 | jordanm | SARC: I will no longer be helping, but I have to know... why are you making important system config files writable by everyone? |
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| 17:02.26 | abrotman | Nephfl: did someone help you? |
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| 17:02.45 | hello | hi |
| 17:02.48 | Nephfl | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/vFRhhWBS |
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| 17:03.13 | Nephfl | abrotman: I took a taco bell break |
| 17:03.17 | abrotman | Nephfl: it's telling you your filesystem is read-only |
| 17:03.26 | Nephfl | I see that |
| 17:03.28 | abrotman | wonders if that means another 'taco bell' break in 20 minutes? |
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| 17:04.10 | Nephfl | abrotan: should I reset rw and try again? or would that possibly kill everything |
| 17:04.53 | abrotman | you don't have much of a choice, though a `shutdown -rF' might be bette |
| 17:04.54 | abrotman | better |
| 17:05.15 | Nephfl | abrotman: its a production machine |
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| 17:05.31 | SARC | themill: reinstalled clean... /var/lib/mysql does not exist |
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| 17:08.19 | abrotman | Nephfl: your production machine is about five kernels behind on security updates ... |
| 17:08.45 | SARC | themill: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat has no reference to mysql yet |
| 17:08.47 | abrotman | and your production machine has gone r/o ? |
| 17:08.57 | abrotman | Nephfl: you can try to remount r/w, but it might not be a good idea |
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| 17:10.33 | SARC | themill: should i execute my echos for debconf-set-selections? |
| 17:10.39 | Nephfl | abrotman: i imagine the person who installed it made /boot ro, but this machine had some data corruption and im trying to get it back to steadily limping... |
| 17:11.06 | abrotman | or /boot/ is r/o because of the corruption |
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| 17:11.12 | abrotman | Nephfl: what is the output of 'mount' ? |
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| 17:12.41 | Nephfl | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/rR2WGJDu |
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| 17:13.49 | tharkun | After some forensinc work, i manage to rescue an Outlook.pst file. The user needs to get recover his contacts. Does any one know of a tool on linux to get this information? |
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| 17:14.37 | themill | SARC: I think you should manually work through the debconf-set-selections step (use password rather than select), check that the password is in /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat and then "aptitude install mysql-server-5.0" and then test it with "mysql -uroot -psqlpassword". Skip the rest of the stuff the script is doing. Please pastebin the exact commands you are giving and the entire output from them each time. |
| 17:14.37 | simonrvn | a pager? strings? |
| 17:14.40 | infinity0 | how do i set the email address that dpkg-buildchanges tries to sign with? |
| 17:14.44 | AimHere | If the file is whole, then something like Mozilla Thunderbird might just import the whole mailbox |
| 17:14.48 | infinity0 | is there a config file that it reads? |
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| 17:15.13 | abrotman | Nephfl: well, try to remount /boot/ rw .. then try again |
| 17:15.25 | abrotman | look at themill being all nice :) |
| 17:15.50 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:16.15 | fxiny | easy done searching apt-cache for outcrook |
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| 17:19.05 | tonytraductor2 | hello from debconf10 |
| 17:19.17 | tharkun | AimHere: thx I'll try to do it that way |
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| 17:21.17 | SARC | themill: everything went into the /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat file and it installed fine wihtout prompting me for root password, however when i try to logon using the password, i get a mysql error Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using passowrd: YES)" |
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| 17:31.12 | abrotman | !flw |
| 17:31.12 | dpkg | <mops> abrotman: I don't understand me... |
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| 17:33.12 | Laughing_God | greets |
| 17:33.26 | Laughing_God | greetsI want to know how to create shells in VPS.Is there any tutorial for ir?Please give me the link. |
| 17:35.04 | jelly-home | shells? |
| 17:35.43 | jelly-home | Laughing_God: normal unix accounts able to login into an interactive shell? |
| 17:36.15 | Laughing_God | yeah |
| 17:36.26 | Laughing_God | I want to make shell and give user |
| 17:36.27 | jelly-home | Laughing_God: use the adduser command. |
| 17:36.54 | Laughing_God | I just have vps so I need to configure to be shell |
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| 17:37.23 | abrotman | Laughing_God: what does the VPS run ? |
| 17:37.36 | Laughing_God | On linux |
| 17:37.52 | jelly-home | !fundamentals |
| 17:37.52 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
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| 17:38.30 | Laughing_God | Cant you just give me how make shell only? |
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| 17:40.56 | abrotman | guess not |
| 17:41.12 | jelly-home | sure we can, but that wouldn't be half as much as fun |
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| 17:41.58 | funky | hello |
| 17:42.03 | jordanm | jelly-home: there is not telling what the actual answer to that question is... it lacks fundamentals very much... |
| 17:42.04 | funky | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
| 17:42.13 | funky | ^ how can I know what packages are those? |
| 17:42.21 | jordanm | jelly-home: could want ssh, could want adduser, could want his VPS provider to give him shell access... |
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| 17:42.40 | abrotman | funky: did you try a full-upgrade? |
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| 17:43.14 | jelly-home | funky: aptitude safe-upgrade will have shown them as "kept back" |
| 17:43.56 | funky | neither of them did the trick |
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| 17:44.23 | funky | none* |
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| 17:44.40 | jordanm | funky: post your commands and output |
| 17:45.11 | fxiny | apt-get -s upgrade ? |
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| 17:45.25 | funky | http://pastebin.com/W2D3FByu |
| 17:45.30 | abrotman | fxiny: aptitude .. not apt-get |
| 17:45.59 | abrotman | funky: uhm .. wait .. aptitude search "~U" .. i think ? |
| 17:46.15 | fxiny | aptitude -s safe-upgrade doesn't show my 4 not upgraded (packages on hold) , apt-get does |
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| 17:46.27 | jordanm | funky: you also don't appear to be root... unless you changed root prompt to "$" just for the sake of confusion |
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| 17:46.37 | fxiny | abrotman: i am an aptitude user |
| 17:46.42 | funky | jordanm: yup, that's root's prompt |
| 17:47.00 | abrotman | funky: aptitude search '~U' .. nothing shown ? |
| 17:47.22 | fxiny | funky: try apt-get -s upgrade |
| 17:47.24 | funky | yes, shows the 4 packages, tahnk you |
| 17:47.37 | funky | fxiny: i try to avoid using apt-get |
| 17:48.15 | fxiny | funky: mee too but i'm not familiar with aptitude geeky syntax yet |
| 17:48.34 | abrotman | fxiny: you'd do well to look at the search terms, they're pretty darn useful http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
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| 17:49.26 | fxiny | abrotman: nice one , adding it to my org-more TODO list , #101 |
| 17:49.26 | funky | mplayer: relocation error: mplayer: symbol codec_wav_tags, version LIBAVFORMAT_52 not defined in file libavformat.so.52 with link time reference |
| 17:49.37 | funky | ^ this problem is going to be funnier |
| 17:50.08 | abrotman | runs away |
| 17:50.23 | astier | funky: are you being naughty mixing repos? |
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| 17:51.01 | jelly-home | funky: mplayer from debian or from d-m? |
| 17:51.03 | funky | astier: sid + experimental |
| 17:51.16 | funky | and d-m as well, true |
| 17:52.05 | funky | jelly-home: so from d-m, yes |
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| 17:52.29 | jelly-home | %#@6 dlsym() |
| 17:52.39 | ravenbird | jelly-home: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:52.54 | fxiny | hehehe |
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| 17:53.20 | fxiny | vulture No 2 |
| 17:53.40 | jelly-home | funky: pastebin your dpkg -l libc6 mplayer libavformat\*|grep ^.i |
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| 17:54.10 | jelly-home | ,versions libavformat52 |
| 17:54.12 | abrotman | !tell walber about root |
| 17:54.13 | judd | libavformat52 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; sid: 4:0.5.2-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-1; experimental: 4:0.6-2; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6~svn20100603-0.0; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6~svn20100726-0.0 |
| 17:54.32 | funky | http://pastebin.com/6bMpY8SJ |
| 17:55.39 | jelly-home | funky: yeah. that mplayer is from Debian. |
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| 17:55.52 | jelly-home | rest is from d-m --> unhappiness |
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| 17:56.11 | jelly-home | don't ask me why Debian bumped the epoch. Again. |
| 17:56.20 | fxiny | from debian ? and who is the mantainer ? Marillat ? |
| 17:56.46 | jelly-home | fxiny: were he the maintainer he probably wouldn't go break his own d-m packages |
| 17:56.49 | abrotman | judd: maint mplayer |
| 17:56.50 | jordanm | ,info mplayer |
| 17:56.51 | judd | Package mplayer version 2:1.0~rc4~try1.dsfg1-1 was uploaded by Reinhard Tartler, last changed by Reinhard Tartler and maintained by Debian multimedia packages maintainers. |
| 17:56.53 | judd | mplayer (graphics, optional): movie player for Unix-like systems. Version: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; Size: 2961.0k; Installed: 5520k; Homepage: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/mplayer |
| 17:56.58 | fxiny | jelly-home: ;) |
| 17:57.09 | jelly-home | shrugs |
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| 17:57.40 | astier | d-m packages and debian packages always clashed for a long time. if you use d-m, make sure you use everything from there |
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| 17:58.11 | funky | ok, i'll force to install mplayer from d-m |
| 17:58.23 | funky | thanks again guys |
| 17:58.38 | jelly-home | funky: so install mplayer=2:1.0~rc3+svn20100726-0.0 and hold it for a bit; I can't be arsed to figure out the pinnings to make this magically happen ;-) |
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| 17:59.53 | funky | fixed, time to watch some fringe episode :)) |
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| 18:01.47 | fxiny | fringe ? some reptilian soap-opera ? |
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| 18:03.52 | djura-san | Hai guys. I installed debian lenny 3 days ago and i have som etroubles with starting gnome-volume-manager and i cant start bluetooth-applet. It keeps showing me this error: http://pastebin.com/3ZjrLvSS . I installed lenny from dvd #1 without desktop env and i added gnome-core package by myself latter. Im not sure what to do but im thinking that maybe i got some user permission issue :\ |
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| 18:05.07 | Justin | djura-san: what groups are you in? |
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| 18:05.23 | bbmiha | hello |
| 18:05.26 | djura-san | im not sure. Im not so good at all that "groups" part |
| 18:05.35 | bbmiha | i have an problem |
| 18:05.35 | djura-san | Justin: how to check that? |
| 18:05.40 | laust | djura-san> type groups |
| 18:05.44 | laust | in a terminal |
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| 18:06.06 | funky | fxiny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series) |
| 18:06.06 | djura-san | okay i got list |
| 18:06.15 | funky | extremely recommandable |
| 18:06.18 | djura-san | so, how to check my permissions? |
| 18:06.22 | bbmiha | I wanted to change root username into my own one... so i used vim /etc/passwd... but now i cant login anymore any suggestions??? |
| 18:06.31 | abrotman | don't do that? |
| 18:06.43 | laust | bbmiha> change root username?! |
| 18:06.48 | bbmiha | yeah :S |
| 18:06.57 | bbmiha | i am learning damnit :p |
| 18:07.09 | Justin | bbmiha: what did you learn today? :) |
| 18:07.14 | bbmiha | a lot :D |
| 18:07.24 | bbmiha | any usefull suggestion |
| 18:07.29 | bbmiha | how to solve |
| 18:07.34 | djura-san | i got this list: djura-san dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 18:07.37 | laust | bbmiha> Suggestion 1: don't do it again |
| 18:07.52 | Justin | bbmiha: yes, undo what you did |
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| 18:08.01 | bbmiha | how i cant even login anymore :/ |
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| 18:08.17 | bbmiha | its word about dedicated server |
| 18:08.18 | Justin | bbmiha: boot off cd will work |
| 18:08.42 | abrotman | single user mode perhaps, or init=/bin/sh |
| 18:09.18 | bbmiha | ok so i go into single user mode |
| 18:09.26 | bbmiha | and how do i mount file than |
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| 18:10.17 | bbmiha | i mean i tried access threw signle-mode but i cant login there either |
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| 18:10.27 | fxiny | funky: sci-fi ? ahhh interesting . i'm so sorry i can't give you one of my favourite reptilian url in exchange , since he retired in the ranch they all disappeared ... |
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| 18:11.21 | laust | bbmiha> i'd say that booting a livecd, mounting the root partition and editing out your changes would be the easiest way, i guess that's what Justin meant |
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| 18:11.57 | Justin | yes, that |
| 18:12.29 | Justin | doesn't really matter the specifics, all it comes down to is editing the file and putting things back the way they were |
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| 18:12.38 | laust | indeed |
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| 18:13.02 | Justin | there is also /etc/passwd- and /var/backups/passwd.bak |
| 18:13.30 | bbmiha | yeah... did i said i am not pro hehe |
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| 18:13.59 | bbmiha | so when i start in signle mode i am asked for login info... |
| 18:14.03 | bbmiha | and i cant do anything |
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| 18:14.38 | djura-san | aha i did it with "id" |
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| 18:14.43 | astier | then don't start in single mode. make /bin/sh your init process then |
| 18:14.44 | djura-san | so i got "uid=1000(djura-san) gid=1000(djura-san) groups=1000(djura-san),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev)" now |
| 18:14.53 | djura-san | now what? |
| 18:15.06 | bbmiha | hmm but look |
| 18:15.09 | Justin | djura-san: that looks ok |
| 18:15.11 | djura-san | im not sure where to add myself... |
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| 18:15.17 | bbmiha | i cant type anything else but login username and password |
| 18:15.31 | astier | bbmiha: you can. press "e" in grub |
| 18:16.02 | djura-san | Justin: yeah but i cant start hald. That way i cant use my bluetooth nor gnome volman. I tried to install Thunar to see if there is a gnome bug but in Thunar volman didnt work too... Not sure what to do :( |
| 18:16.06 | bbmiha | oh |
| 18:16.28 | Justin | djura-san: you shouldnt have to be starting it |
| 18:17.06 | bbmiha | so i can follow this ? http://nixcraft.com/linux-software/246-debian-boot-into-grub-single-user-mode.html |
| 18:17.19 | djura-san | Justin: yeah but when i start "Removable drives and media" in gnome it says that hald is not started... |
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| 18:17.48 | Justin | djura-san: what else have you done to try to fix this? |
| 18:18.27 | xinming | In newest debian, I switched to use aptitude. After I do 'cat old_pkg_list | dpkg --set-selections'; How do I make it install packages after I use dpkg --set-selections? |
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| 18:19.55 | djura-san | Justin: well i get this error in my debian unstable too. I havent tried anything since i have no knowledge about those things... |
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| 18:20.06 | djura-san | sry, that is why im asking this much |
| 18:20.27 | Justin | try installing gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 18:20.51 | astier | bbmiha: don't spam in queries please |
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| 18:21.14 | bbmiha | allright sry i just want to find out how to solve this problem :/ |
| 18:21.26 | astier | you already had the solution in that URL |
| 18:21.37 | bbmiha | i had no answer if its okay |
| 18:21.38 | legba7 | how do i get the source from a module (uvcvideo). i don't find it with aptitude |
| 18:21.52 | bbmiha | ok than thanks |
| 18:22.07 | Justin | legba7: modules are part of the kernel |
| 18:22.43 | astier | legba7: find out in what package the module is, then get its source |
| 18:22.53 | astier | Justin: not necessarily these ones |
| 18:23.30 | Justin | astier: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:23.37 | djura-san | Justin: you think that there is some config script in that package that will allow me to fix this? |
| 18:23.54 | Justin | djura-san: that's a metapackage |
| 18:24.00 | djura-san | i know |
| 18:24.31 | djura-san | hm maybe im missing something at avanhi or something similar... ah so much pain |
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| 18:24.58 | astier | djura-san: my bt works find in gnome on sid and my user belongs to less groups than yours. you sure hald is running? |
| 18:24.58 | djura-san | and all i wanna do is to send files over bluetooth, watch movies and develop pages in php... :( |
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| 18:25.12 | fxiny | xinming: after you set selection ? install as usual , are you cloning a system ? |
| 18:25.28 | djura-san | astier: well it should be running :\ |
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| 18:25.48 | astier | hmm. I just see it doesn't run for me. do you get the BT icon in gnome? |
| 18:25.51 | Gnintendo | I have a full Debian install running on my USB drive and it won't mount my Windows OS drive and I don't even see my external HDD recognized, help? |
| 18:26.32 | djura-san | astier: when i "hald" in terminal as root nothing happens. I got no bluetooth icon in tray since i got error that i poset up |
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| 18:26.43 | xinming | fxiny: I mean 'cat blabla | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 18:27.04 | xinming | fxiny: I switched to use aptitude, But aptitude doesn't have a support for dselect-upgrade |
| 18:27.05 | legba7 | Justin: i do not find anything appropiate to uvc |
| 18:27.05 | astier | djura-san: you get an error when you run volman. there is nothing to run to get the bt icon |
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| 18:27.42 | djura-san | astier: i get error about system bus when i try to launch bluetooth-applet |
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| 18:27.58 | djura-san | (hald error is for gnome volman ;) ) |
| 18:28.20 | xinming | apt-get does, And IIRC, people suggests avoid using apt-get and aptitude at the same machine. |
| 18:28.21 | astier | there is no bt applet to launch either |
| 18:28.49 | fxiny | xinming: old style is : dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt . then dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . but use aptitude |
| 18:28.59 | fxiny | !aptitude clone |
| 18:28.59 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
| 18:29.13 | astier | !tell legba7 about uvc |
| 18:29.32 | astier | legba7: sorry. uvcvideo is the name of the keyword |
| 18:29.49 | astier | it's in the mainline kernel, so as Justin said: kernel sources |
| 18:30.02 | xinming | fxiny: Old style is use "apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 18:30.13 | xinming | fxiny: But no dselect-upgrade in aptitude now. |
| 18:30.16 | djura-san | astier: i have to launch it or else i will get no bluetooth icon in panel at all ;) |
| 18:30.32 | legba7 | astier: thx, but i found no pkg with uvcvideo |
| 18:30.41 | solifugus | I've installed everything with odbc in its name... and yet php on debian lenny, gives me a"cannot find driver" error from: $dbh = new PDO('odbc:virtuoso','dba','dba'); |
| 18:30.58 | astier | legba7: and I told you there is none |
| 18:31.00 | legba7 | astier: kernel sources, thx |
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| 18:31.11 | solifugus | Is it.. it appears like, php is simply built w/o odbc support.. |
| 18:31.26 | solifugus | anyone know how to get odbc support for php on debian lenny? please?? |
| 18:31.36 | fxiny | xinming: i was just saying you no need to cat and pipe anything |
| 18:31.43 | astier | ,info php5-odbc |
| 18:31.43 | judd | php5-odbc (web, optional): ODBC module for php5. Version: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; Size: 32.8k; Installed: 144k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
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| 18:32.02 | Gnintendo | any ideas why my OS HDD won't mount? |
| 18:32.06 | xinming | fxiny: hmm, well, I was saying dselect-upgrade kind of support in aptitude. :-) |
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| 18:32.29 | astier | Gnintendo: dmesg |grep sda and dmesg |grep hda |
| 18:32.52 | astier | Gnintendo: if the hdd shows there: fdisk -l |
| 18:33.01 | fxiny | xinming: type : /msg dpkg debian clone , or reinstall or things to backup |
| 18:33.23 | Gnintendo | the drive is /dev/sda |
| 18:33.27 | fxiny | xinming: aptitude is more advanced and smart |
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| 18:33.36 | Gnintendo | it says invalid mount option when trying to mount |
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| 18:33.50 | astier | then show us the mount command you try |
| 18:34.14 | Gnintendo | I double click the volume in GNOME |
| 18:34.20 | Gnintendo | and that error comes up |
| 18:34.21 | _markb1_ | is there a guide / notes / even "ananconda like" way, to specify a solid Gnome setup (devel desktop) for Squeeze? |
| 18:34.24 | Gnintendo | in a messagebox |
| 18:34.29 | xinming | fxiny: Yes, So, It seems, the --get-selections and --set-selections things may be deprected in the future. |
| 18:34.53 | Gnintendo | it's am NTFS volume btw |
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| 18:35.07 | astier | Gnintendo: I own no crystal ball |
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| 18:35.21 | xinming | When I use 'aptitude install' without args, It'll try to install the packages previously I try to install be aborted. |
| 18:35.27 | xinming | How to clean the list for this please? |
| 18:35.55 | astier | uninstall these packages |
| 18:36.14 | xinming | astier: I don't mean they are partial installed. |
| 18:36.17 | Gnintendo | well |
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| 18:36.25 | EGreg__ | hi guys |
| 18:36.25 | xinming | astier: I mean they were just in download stage |
| 18:36.28 | EGreg__ | how do I list all the groups on the machine |
| 18:36.29 | Gnintendo | Is there anything I can try to mount it |
| 18:36.33 | EGreg__ | groups only lists MY groups |
| 18:36.37 | moldovean | Gnintendo, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 18:36.41 | Gnintendo | I'm not familiar with the mount command |
| 18:36.42 | astier | xinming: and I mean what I wrote |
| 18:36.48 | astier | Gnintendo: man mount |
| 18:36.54 | Gnintendo | I already have ntfs-3g installed |
| 18:36.55 | Gnintendo | besides |
| 18:37.00 | Gnintendo | that's only write support |
| 18:37.19 | EGreg__ | how do I list all the groups on the machine |
| 18:37.19 | Gnintendo | you can still read and mount an ntfs volume without it |
| 18:37.25 | astier | Gnintendo: do you actually thing ntfs-3g is a write only filesystem? |
| 18:37.31 | Gnintendo | no |
| 18:37.33 | xinming | astier: You mean 'aptitude remove'? |
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| 18:37.56 | Gnintendo | you only need the package if you want to write to it |
| 18:38.00 | xinming | It doesn't work |
| 18:38.06 | astier | EGreg__: getent group |
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| 18:38.24 | astier | xinming: I still have no crystal ball |
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| 18:38.27 | foetus | now its workin.. |
| 18:38.29 | Gnintendo | is what I'm saying |
| 18:38.32 | foetus | :) |
| 18:38.34 | Gnintendo | btw |
| 18:38.45 | Gnintendo | I'm trying to install truecrypt |
| 18:38.53 | Gnintendo | and it appears to be hanging on Installing package... |
| 18:38.59 | Gnintendo | uhh |
| 18:39.22 | EGreg__ | gentent: command not found |
| 18:39.28 | fxiny | xinming: what's your problem exacltly ? you don't want to install already selected packages ? |
| 18:39.33 | xinming | astier: What will aptitude do when we type "aptitude install" ? |
| 18:39.35 | EGreg__ | and I am root |
| 18:39.37 | astier | Gnintendo: there is no truecrypt package in debian |
| 18:39.45 | xinming | fxiny: Nope, I just found something interesting. |
| 18:39.56 | Gnintendo | I know |
| 18:40.01 | fxiny | which is ? |
| 18:40.13 | Gnintendo | I'm installing it using Truecrypt's Linux installer |
| 18:40.21 | astier | xinming: ask a question less broad? |
| 18:40.29 | xinming | fxiny: 'aptitude install' without args tries to install packages I try to installed. But aborted. Eg, 'aptitude install gnome' |
| 18:40.30 | Gnintendo | which appears to be failing |
| 18:40.39 | astier | Gnintendo: and we are suddenly truecrypt tech support? |
| 18:40.53 | xinming | fxiny: I mean 'aptitude install' without any package name. |
| 18:41.00 | xinming | fxiny: You can try what happens |
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| 18:41.11 | qwd | Gnintendo: just out of curiousity, why do you have to use truecrypt? |
| 18:41.12 | Gnintendo | I wondered if it is known to fail an install on lenny |
| 18:41.17 | hodges | How do I make the clonezilla client connect to a server? |
| 18:41.44 | Gnintendo | qwd: I was going to mount a volume encrypted with it |
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| 18:42.09 | fxiny | xinming: nothing happens |
| 18:42.24 | astier | Gnintendo: don't tell me your windows partition is the one |
| 18:42.30 | xinming | fxiny: Try this first, 'aptitude instlal wesnoth-1.8 -y -d' |
| 18:42.32 | Gnintendo | no |
| 18:42.39 | Gnintendo | this is an external HDD |
| 18:42.54 | xinming | fxiny: 'aptitude install wesnoth-1.8 -y' && aptitude install |
| 18:42.55 | Gnintendo | that was encrypted with truecrypt |
| 18:42.55 | thewanderer1 | why don't I get AAAA records when querying nameservers? what can I do to get back IPv6 addresses back? |
| 18:43.02 | xinming | fxiny: But don't install wesnoth-1.8, |
| 18:43.02 | Gnintendo | AES specifically |
| 18:43.07 | Gnintendo | but yeah |
| 18:43.13 | xinming | fxiny: Just press Ctrl-c when It is downloading |
| 18:43.23 | fxiny | xinming: trying to guess your problem : man aptitude , scroll down to unmarkauto |
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| 18:43.41 | EGreg__ | guys |
| 18:43.43 | EGreg__ | I gave a user to someone |
| 18:43.46 | EGreg__ | they are trying to sudo but it says |
| 18:43.52 | fxiny | xinming: and . try aptitude -s install or safe-upgrade next |
| 18:43.55 | EGreg__ | "this user is not in sudoers .this incident will be reported" |
| 18:43.58 | EGreg__ | but /etc/group has no sudoers group |
| 18:44.02 | EGreg__ | what do I do? is it "wheel"? |
| 18:44.07 | EGreg__ | where is it indicated who can do sudo |
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| 18:44.33 | astier | EGreg__: EGreg__ man sudoers |
| 18:44.36 | petemc | EGreg__: /etc/sudoers , you edit it with visudo |
| 18:44.53 | fxiny | EGreg__: wheel ? what are you doing ? |
| 18:45.12 | EGreg__ | ah solved it |
| 18:45.14 | xinming | fxiny: goto #flood please |
| 18:45.15 | EGreg__ | it's the group "sudo" |
| 18:45.30 | xinming | fxiny: hmm, sorry, I'll paste to pastebin |
| 18:45.38 | EGreg__ | http://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/the-wheel-group/ |
| 18:45.47 | fxiny | wheel is something else |
| 18:46.15 | fxiny | and of course i am in the wheel group |
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| 18:46.25 | jelly-home | EGreg__: it's not the group "sudo" by default, but it can be configured like that. |
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| 18:47.17 | fxiny | but i have no real benefit from it , in the future i will kick it |
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| 18:47.36 | EGreg__ | interesting why linux doesn't have wheel |
| 18:47.38 | EGreg__ | that's why no one knows |
| 18:47.43 | EGreg__ | what wheel is, in debian land |
| 18:47.45 | abrotman | !tell EGreg__ about wheel |
| 18:47.54 | dupondje | what bootup script enables /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 18:47.57 | EGreg__ | well "no one" is a loose term |
| 18:48.06 | xinming | fxiny: http://paste.lisp.org/display/113129 |
| 18:48.13 | dupondje | is it in S13networking ? |
| 18:48.30 | xinming | Do you see that 'aptitude -s install' will try to install those packages? |
| 18:48.40 | thewanderer1 | how do I resolve an IPv6 DNS record in Debian? |
| 18:48.46 | xinming | But in fact, I didn't specify the package names. |
| 18:48.49 | EGreg__ | how do I add a user to a group in debian |
| 18:49.01 | fxiny | EGreg__: i'm using the wheel gropu since woody , i already gave up smocking since long time , i just forgot to give up wheeling |
| 18:49.20 | EGreg__ | fxiny: HIGH FIVE :) |
| 18:49.23 | EGreg__ | someone still uses wheel :) |
| 18:49.25 | ferr | thewanderer1 try ping6 |
| 18:49.26 | EGreg__ | whys' it called wheel? no idea |
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| 18:49.40 | xinming | fxiny: What I can remember is when I ever to do something 'aptitude install xfce4 gnome -y -d', When It's downloading, I cancel'ed it. |
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| 18:50.26 | thewanderer1 | ferr, ping6 won't work without IPv6-capable DNS, that's why I'm trying to find one by means of resolving names |
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| 18:50.45 | fxiny | xinming: why cancel ? try aptitude -s install <packagename> , and read |
| 18:51.20 | xinming | fxiny: Because I found gnome is too heavy. |
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| 18:52.13 | fxiny | EGreg__: wheel is a bsd thing like toor , you can play the wheel game if you want |
| 18:52.42 | xinming | fxiny: The question for me is how to clear that list when I invoke 'aptitude install' |
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| 18:52.55 | moldovean | xinming see, -d Only download packages, do not install or remove anything. |
| 18:53.27 | xinming | moldovean: I know the -d option. |
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| 18:53.45 | moldovean | so cancel is a non sense |
| 18:53.53 | xinming | moldovean: But now, It'll always have that packages pending to be installed it seems, and I wish to clear the package list. |
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| 18:54.19 | fxiny | xinming: so you want to unmark packages marked as auto ? ;) |
| 18:54.19 | moldovean | no |
| 18:54.25 | xinming | moldovean: Well, when It's downloading, and even not finished. |
| 18:54.36 | xinming | fxiny: Nope, I try to unmark them as auto. |
| 18:54.51 | moldovean | !unmarkauto |
| 18:54.51 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 18:54.52 | xinming | fxiny: I did. Eg, aptitude unmarkauto wesnoth-1.8, And I still saw the packages to be installed. |
| 18:55.16 | fxiny | xinming: -1.8 ? hmmm |
| 18:55.21 | fxiny | think again |
| 18:55.48 | moldovean | , versions wesnoth |
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| 18:55.49 | judd | wesnoth -- etch: 1.2-5; etch-security: 1.2-5; etch-backports: 1:1.4.4-2+lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.4.4-2+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.4.4-2+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.6.5-1 |
| 18:56.22 | moldovean | xinming, 1.8 not even in debian .. |
| 18:56.29 | xinming | moldovean: Please don't divert the conversation, I am in testing, and It does have wesnoth-1.8 |
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| 18:56.55 | xinming | root@snow:~# aptitude show wesnoth-1.8 |
| 18:56.56 | xinming | Package: wesnoth-1.8 |
| 18:57.07 | moldovean | xinming, ok , sry |
| 18:57.16 | fxiny | xinming: -1.8 is the version unmarkauto wesnoth |
| 18:57.45 | fxiny | is it called like that ? wesnoth-1.8 ? |
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| 18:58.29 | xinming | fxiny: yes, Hold on. |
| 18:58.42 | exaboy | what package do i need to run java --v |
| 18:59.00 | xinming | http://pastebin.com/ZNCVCAY8 <--- wesnoth-1.8 package name |
| 18:59.04 | moldovean | fxiny, yes |
| 18:59.22 | astier | exaboy: one of the many JREs |
| 18:59.27 | fxiny | moldovean: it confuses me |
| 18:59.32 | exaboy | java-package isnt enough. |
| 18:59.35 | moldovean | , versions wesnoth-1.8 |
| 18:59.37 | xinming | fxiny: And unmarkauto doesn't work either. |
| 18:59.37 | judd | wesnoth-1.8 -- lenny-backports: 1:1.8.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.8.3-1; squeeze: 1:1.8.3-1 |
| 18:59.48 | astier | fxiny: he uses the apt repo wesnoth itself provides |
| 18:59.55 | fxiny | astier: ahhhhhh |
| 18:59.58 | astier | !tell xinming about bat |
| 19:00.07 | jelly-home | !tell exaboy about install java |
| 19:00.55 | fxiny | this is why i love dselect |
| 19:01.09 | jelly-home | exaboy: sun-java* packages are most supported but they're also non-free |
| 19:01.22 | fxiny | and no more asking for dselect removal . ok ? |
| 19:01.26 | jelly-home | dselect must die. |
| 19:01.33 | exaboy | jelly how do i get them then? |
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| 19:01.50 | jelly-home | exaboy: did you not get a private message from dpkg bot? |
| 19:01.53 | exaboy | add non-free in my apt-list |
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| 19:02.31 | exaboy | jelly thanks mate just want i wanted ;) |
| 19:02.34 | exaboy | kudos mate |
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| 19:03.19 | fxiny | jelly-home: must die ? that's for ftp or john barleycorn ;) |
| 19:03.28 | quiritius | what is the name of the package that makes installation suggestions when user tries to run an uninstalled package? |
| 19:04.01 | xinming | astier: hmm, Ok, It seems, The problem is, When I use apt-cache policy wesnoth-1.8, the result is : http://paste.lisp.org/display/113131 |
| 19:04.03 | jelly-home | quiritius: oh, the thing ubuntu has in their bash? |
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| 19:04.45 | astier | xinming: it's not what dpkg told you to do |
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| 19:04.58 | jelly-home | fxiny: $DEITY, that UI must have made many a people hate debian a little |
| 19:05.02 | quiritius | jelly-home: yes, like i try to run feh, which is not installed, and it tells me feh is contained in $PACKAGE(s) |
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| 19:05.17 | xinming | astier: hm ,hold on. |
| 19:05.31 | quiritius | jelly-home: i can use apt-file of course ) |
| 19:05.49 | jelly-home | quiritius: I have no idea what it's called or whether it's in Debian. In addition I find its non-support of zsh to be a laughable matter! :-> |
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| 19:06.38 | xinming | astier: http://paste.lisp.org/display/113133 |
| 19:07.20 | fxiny | jelly-home: other distro people ? hahah i'm sure they were all p* off by dselect holy cow magic powers |
| 19:07.37 | quiritius | jelly-home: i keep hearing about zsh... could give it a spin if i would not be so used to my crutches... er... mc |
| 19:07.47 | xinming | You see that I don't provide any package name to 'aptitude install'. But It tries to download and install some package |
| 19:07.52 | astier | xinming: cut and paste and remove them all |
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| 19:08.08 | xinming | astier: They are not even installed. |
| 19:08.21 | astier | xinming: and? |
| 19:08.30 | jelly-home | fxiny: no, debian distro people. |
| 19:08.36 | astier | if they were installed aptitude wouldn't install them, now would it? |
| 19:08.50 | astier | jelly-home: WANNABE debian distro people |
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| 19:08.56 | jelly-home | fxiny: I jumped onto apt as soon as it happened |
| 19:08.57 | astier | dselect weeded out the pansies |
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| 19:09.40 | astier | fond times, sorta, installing debian by going through thousands of packages in dselect. "do I want this or not?" |
| 19:10.05 | astier | blanches at the thought of having to do the same today with the 10000 packages debian has nowadays |
| 19:10.13 | jelly-home | completely obscure key bindings and modes |
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| 19:10.32 | fxiny | jelly-home: i loved dselect , relaxing , fast , i spent hours browsing and reading all packages one by one |
| 19:10.58 | xinming | astier: And now It seems I screwed it up |
| 19:11.15 | jelly-home | fxiny: heheh, your sarcasm is not missed |
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| 19:12.18 | xinming | astier: Ok, I finally fixed the problem. |
| 19:12.24 | xinming | astier: But I still have the question. |
| 19:12.59 | xinming | why will aptitude mark the packages installed whenever we just "try" to install it. |
| 19:13.11 | astier | you tried to install them once |
| 19:13.21 | fxiny | jelly-home: heh , dunno why but sarcasm spins my memory into trying to remember what red hat provided at that time , some ugly clicky gui or nothing at all ? ;) |
| 19:13.26 | xinming | astier: Yes, But It's aborted. |
| 19:13.34 | astier | doesn't matter |
| 19:13.55 | jelly-home | fxiny: thankfully I can't remember |
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| 19:14.10 | xinming | astier: hmm, Ok, It seems aptitude is different from apt-get in this case |
| 19:14.26 | astier | xinming: it is not |
| 19:14.37 | Angstrom_ | ~How do I use FreeWRL in firefox |
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| 19:15.35 | xinming | astier: http://paste.lisp.org/submit |
| 19:15.57 | xinming | oops, sorry |
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| 19:16.06 | xinming | astier: http://paste.lisp.org/display/113134 |
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| 19:16.49 | astier | you were farther along the installation last time. and it was some other stuff (much longer list) |
| 19:17.06 | xinming | astier: I've cleared the old package list. |
| 19:17.39 | xinming | http://paste.lisp.org/display/113136 <--- This is for aptitude. |
| 19:17.58 | solifugus | ok.. I am down to the realization that the debian lenny php package just plain was insanely built without odbc support... |
| 19:18.01 | xinming | astier: Just find the differences, I use the same command, But different behavior |
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| 19:19.06 | themill | solifugus: does "apt-cache search php odbc" not provide some handy ideas? |
| 19:19.06 | xinming | aptitude marks packages installed whenever it sees the install action. But apt-get doesn't. |
| 19:19.07 | Mike__ | hi |
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| 19:20.25 | Mike__ | i wanted to compile the newest transmission to debian, and the installer sayed that a lot of packages are too old for this ... what i can do to use the newest transmission on stable ? |
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| 19:23.28 | fxiny | 48 hours without file corruption , time to schedule a squeeze install |
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| 19:24.56 | rioch | hi, I've installed bzr (bazaar) but the version in the repos is quite old (1.5). On their website it says this: Bazaar releases are regularly packaged into sid/unstable. Backports for stable are made available a bit later on backports.org. |
| 19:25.00 | rioch | what does that mean? |
| 19:25.51 | Tramp | !tell rioch -about bpo |
| 19:26.57 | rioch | thanks |
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| 19:27.47 | fxiny | bpo , aka "the fountain" , makes your lenny younger |
| 19:28.18 | solifugus | themill: I installed every package with odbc in the name... still says no driver.. and phpinfo() shows only mysql and mysqli support built in. |
| 19:28.28 | solifugus | I also setup /etc/odbc.ini |
| 19:28.50 | themill | solifugus: did you restart apache after adding new packages? Did you check that it was enabled? |
| 19:28.56 | solifugus | yes.. i sure did |
| 19:29.33 | solifugus | themill: I did and it's everything under odbc in php.ini (the one specified by phpinfo()) is set to on or unlimited |
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| 19:31.44 | solifugus | wait.. i think i know what the problem might be.. |
| 19:32.23 | solifugus | Our local mirror for debian at some point stopped getting updated and this server hasn't been changed since then.. |
| 19:32.42 | solifugus | I actually don't see the php5-odbc package.. only a few other odbc packages.. |
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| 19:33.04 | themill | ,info php5-odbc |
| 19:33.05 | judd | php5-odbc (web, optional): ODBC module for php5. Version: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; Size: 32.8k; Installed: 144k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
| 19:33.29 | themill | solifugus: that's the one you want, yes. Installing that is sufficient to getting it to work if you are using the standard debian ini files for php |
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| 19:34.35 | rioch | is there a roadmap for debian 6? |
| 19:34.49 | themill | !wwsr |
| 19:34.49 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
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| 19:39.19 | solifugus | themill: thanks.. we WAY backdated on updates... |
| 19:39.30 | themill | solifugus: ouch... have fun! |
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| 19:42.28 | solifugus | themill: I don't get it.. I copied over the /etc/apt/sources.list file from a newer debian lenny install, did apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade and nothing to install.. Did an apt-cache search odbc and still only the same three packages.. not the many I see on the newer debian install. |
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| 19:42.47 | solifugus | What might be blocking debian from seeing all the packages it should be seeing? |
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| 19:43.23 | themill | solifugus: perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-get update" |
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| 19:45.22 | solifugus | themill: http://pastebin.com/TqJ2JR4U |
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| 19:47.15 | michalxo | !ffmpeg |
| 19:47.15 | dpkg | FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <dmm>. |
| 19:47.21 | abrotman | you can msg the bot |
| 19:47.58 | michalxo | ah sorry... I forgot... but I have problem with it... my SMPlayer is bogging... and bugs says "install ffmpeg from official sources" (ubuntu-bugs) |
| 19:48.29 | michalxo | #deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib$ <-- if this is not official, what else is? |
| 19:48.37 | solifugus | themill: Here's what I get from apt-cache search odbc: http://pastebin.com/mRNmXCT4 |
| 19:48.44 | abrotman | michalxo: why would you ask us about ubuntu-bugs ? |
| 19:48.58 | michalxo | cause no other help found... |
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| 19:49.32 | xuser | michalxo: ffmpeg debian packages are crap |
| 19:49.39 | themill | solifugus: that output from "apt-cache policy" looked quite weird |
| 19:49.51 | stayb | got problem: if i start xsane as normal user, it says: No device available. Do i start it with root it works ... why? |
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| 19:49.59 | michalxo | xuser so use this? deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ unstable main..? |
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| 19:50.02 | Angstrom_ | What's a good VRML viewer for Debian? |
| 19:50.06 | solifugus | themill: that's not reassuring... |
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| 19:50.16 | SARC | themill: problem was the password |
| 19:50.16 | solifugus | will i live? |
| 19:50.32 | SARC | themill: apparently you cannot use right-paren in the password? |
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| 19:51.26 | themill | SARC: quite possibly. But you were telling us you were using "sqlpasswd" as the password. |
| 19:51.44 | solifugus | SARC, you can use non-printable characters in passwords.. I always use an equal number of backspaces to the number of other characters, to throw off would-be hackers. |
| 19:51.44 | SARC | themill: why would i give you the *actual* password? |
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| 19:51.59 | stayb | how can i take permissions to my printer/scanner for xsane? |
| 19:52.10 | themill | SARC: because I would have suggested you try one without a parenthesis in it. |
| 19:52.28 | SARC | solifugus: apparently right parenthesis doesnt work in a script echoing to debconf-set-selections |
| 19:52.48 | SARC | is there a special character that will tell it not to interpret the right parenthesis? |
| 19:52.59 | SARC | (i had the entire statement in single quotes) |
| 19:53.18 | solifugus | I normally use printf "" instead of echo.. fewer potential issues.. |
| 19:53.39 | solifugus | themill: maybe i need to reinstall apt |
| 19:53.54 | themill | solifugus: do you have some proxying on that network? |
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| 19:55.52 | SARC | solifugus: http://pastebin.com/gD1vTmPh |
| 19:56.01 | SARC | solifugus: better way to do that? |
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| 19:57.51 | solifugus | SARC: yes.. first, I'd use printf "..." instead of echo.. but you'll still have to escape some characters.. I think the % and maybe the !.. not sure.. could test it by just printing to stdout |
| 19:59.42 | solifugus | SARC if you change "echo" to "printf" then you only need to put a \ just before the ! of the password and it works.. |
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| 20:00.28 | solifugus | or even easier... just switch the " quotes to ' quotes.. |
| 20:00.34 | solifugus | then you don't need any escapes |
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| 20:00.55 | Angstrom_ | What VRML player works with Debian? |
| 20:01.05 | abrotman | does anyone still use VRML? |
| 20:01.18 | abrotman | sorry, that wasn't very nice |
| 20:01.47 | SARC | solifugus: like this? http://pastebin.com/8w5tUpp0 |
| 20:02.08 | SARC | minus the stray = sign of course? |
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| 20:03.08 | solifugus | SARC: sure.. "printf" is just less error proned than "echo".. and the ' quotes take whatever is inside literally so you don't need to escape anything |
| 20:03.26 | themill | % with printf isn't going to be a good thing though. |
| 20:04.05 | ravenbird | themill: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:04.05 | themill | SARC: just using single quotes instead of double quotes in your earlier "echo"-based paste worked fine for me |
| 20:04.05 | SARC | themill: what will that do? |
| 20:04.05 | themill | ravenbird: shaddup |
| 20:04.05 | ravenbird | fine, be that way! |
| 20:04.19 | SARC | themill: echo should work then with single quotes? |
| 20:04.49 | themill | SARC: http://pastebin.com/gZYHmuAy worked for me. |
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| 20:08.32 | bbmiha | what is best way to recover root login.. i dont have access to login to root user anymore |
| 20:08.46 | jordanm | !forgot root password |
| 20:08.46 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 20:08.47 | jelly-home | !tell bbmiha about ifrp |
| 20:09.42 | bbmiha | well i have password but username is changed |
| 20:09.51 | bbmiha | i done like this vim /etc/passwd |
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| 20:10.00 | bbmiha | changed first word root into my_own_username |
| 20:10.05 | bbmiha | and that was a mistake i made |
| 20:10.15 | bbmiha | is it same process for this? |
| 20:10.39 | jelly-home | ... |
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| 20:10.57 | bbmiha | same process as recovering pass? |
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| 20:11.22 | jelly-home | bbmiha: replace step 4 with that same vim /etc/passwd again and put things back as they were |
| 20:11.48 | jelly-home | !flw62 is <bbmiha> i done like this vim /etc/passwd <bbmiha> changed first word root into my_own_username |
| 20:11.48 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 20:12.22 | bbmiha | i hope i ll make it |
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| 20:12.25 | bbmiha | thanks |
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| 20:13.30 | jelly-home | bbmiha: you can do a similar procedure from a linux livecd |
| 20:13.42 | bbmiha | i have dedicated server |
| 20:13.47 | bbmiha | cant really use cd to boot |
| 20:14.01 | jelly-home | no remote management? |
| 20:14.06 | Tookiewan | themill: since my root mysql password will be stored in /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat, is this the correct thing to do? : http://pastebin.com/myGHr1ts |
| 20:14.12 | jelly-home | too bad. We give our customers iLO access. |
| 20:14.13 | bbmiha | i have Kwo IP |
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| 20:14.43 | phidah | One if the sources that my "apt-get update" is trying to hit remains down.... How do I remove it from the list? |
| 20:14.50 | jordanm | bbmiha: then your hosting provider must provide a way for you to change the root password. this may include a remote serial console, a recovery image, or a request to them directly |
| 20:14.54 | themill | Tookiewan: you don't need to reset it afterwards. |
| 20:15.11 | jordanm | phidah: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:15.11 | streuner_ | phidah: remove it from sources.list? |
| 20:15.36 | bbmiha | yeah they provide remote console where i can direct connect |
| 20:15.47 | Tookiewan | themill: the password seems to be stored in the /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat file. |
| 20:16.15 | themill | Tookiewan: have you checked that after you've installed mysql-server? |
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| 20:17.14 | Tookiewan | themill: yes i have |
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| 20:18.04 | Angstrom_ | hello |
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| 20:18.31 | solifugus | I guess I am screwed... nobody has any clue as to why apt-cache search isn't seeing all the packages it should see... I cannot get php5-odbc installed.. I'm going to loose a customer and a lot money. |
| 20:18.33 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to run FreeWRL plugin in Firefox, but when it runs, it always appears as a black box in the upper left most corner of the screen instead of being in the browser itself |
| 20:19.04 | astier | solifugus: what mirror? |
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| 20:19.09 | astier | ,info php5-odbc |
| 20:19.10 | judd | php5-odbc (web, optional): ODBC module for php5. Version: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; Size: 32.8k; Installed: 144k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
| 20:19.13 | Tookiewan | themill: /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat contains two entries: root_password and root_password_again |
| 20:19.38 | themill | Tookiewan: and does it contain the password? |
| 20:19.44 | themill | solifugus: do you have some proxying on that network? |
| 20:19.44 | solifugus | astier: I've tried changing /etc/apt/sources.list to different mirrors.. from other debian installs that work.. no difference.. |
| 20:20.11 | solifugus | themill: nobody here knows of any proxy... the one who set it up and the one who controls the firewalls are all not here. |
| 20:20.15 | solifugus | sick.. |
| 20:20.15 | astier | solifugus: so simply download the deb and install via dpkg |
| 20:20.18 | Tookiewan | themill: it has name/template/value.... and the password is right there in plaintext |
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| 20:20.31 | themill | Tookiewan: shouldn't be. Wasn't when I just tested it. |
| 20:20.42 | solifugus | astier: on a diff machine.. maybe... if i don't have a mounting of dependencies... |
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| 20:21.06 | solifugus | where does it download packages to again? /var/somethig.. |
| 20:21.08 | astier | if you have a browser you can install it right there |
| 20:21.21 | thewanderer1 | if I turn off IPv4 on Debian Testing and use only IPv6, will I survive on a LAN? |
| 20:21.26 | astier | that place has no use for you |
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| 20:21.32 | Tookiewan | themill: http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html : password Holds a password. Use with caution. Be aware that the password the user enters will be written to debconf's database. You should consider clearing that value out of the database as soon as is possible. |
| 20:22.07 | themill | Tookiewan: sure. Use with caution. I just tried it and the value was automatically cleared. Whatever works for you. |
| 20:22.14 | thewanderer1 | how ready is Debian for IPv6-only world? |
| 20:22.22 | streuner_ | not ready |
| 20:22.42 | streuner_ | but thats only HOW read the world is read for IPv6... |
| 20:23.01 | Tookiewan | themill, so back to my original question, does http://pastebin.com/2Aa2H3eq clear the password??? |
| 20:23.15 | thewanderer1 | I mean in an isolated, synthetic environment, and using an IPv6 tunnel |
| 20:23.21 | themill | Tookiewan: seriously.... try it and see |
| 20:23.39 | Tookiewan | should it? |
| 20:23.42 | Tookiewan | yes or no |
| 20:23.55 | Tookiewan | im not going to rebuild for the 100th time... |
| 20:24.06 | Tookiewan | if you can give an educated answer i would appreciate it |
| 20:24.06 | themill | Tookiewan: I'm not going to try it for you. |
| 20:24.16 | astier | isn't one of the release goals, for squeeze perhaps, full IPv6 compatibility across all packages? |
| 20:24.31 | bbmiha | what is lilo different from grub? |
| 20:25.05 | SARC | themill you arent going to ban me again are you? |
| 20:25.10 | jelly-home | SARC: is there a reason to nick changing? |
| 20:25.12 | streuner_ | bbmiha: i use lilo in cases of heaheaces.. |
| 20:25.19 | solifugus | astier: my other debian systems are amd64 and this one is 32 bit... so the php5-odbc package from there won't work... |
| 20:25.24 | legba7 | howto compile the module uvcvideo? module-assistant does not list it. |
| 20:25.31 | bbmiha | hm i see |
| 20:25.39 | streuner_ | bbmiha: i know lilo better... |
| 20:25.40 | astier | solifugus: what part about "download the package" is hard to understand? |
| 20:25.55 | solifugus | astier: how.. you mean the web? |
| 20:26.03 | bbmiha | but booth can do same stuff right? |
| 20:26.10 | astier | yes, the web. with a tool called "browser" |
| 20:26.17 | streuner_ | bbmiha: but usually you are painless with grub |
| 20:26.31 | bbmiha | what is easier to use for recovering data |
| 20:26.41 | bbmiha | not realy so much familiar with |
| 20:26.57 | solifugus | astier: hadn't thought of that... looking for it now.. seeing for etch and sid... so far.. |
| 20:27.01 | astier | bbmiha: orthogonal. neither is suited for recovering data. they're bootloaders, not forensic software |
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| 20:27.34 | jelly-home | bbmiha: lilo is very simple and not very adaptable, and needs reinstalling on every update of a kernel or an initrd image file. grub (0.9x) is a bit more complex, but can be used to recover from some situations (different kernel; different partition to boot from) where lilo would crap out |
| 20:27.41 | streuner_ | bbmiha: its all waht astier said about, you should know about your bootloader |
| 20:27.58 | jelly-home | bbmiha: what are you really trying to do? |
| 20:28.17 | astier | jelly-home: picking your brainzzzz is my guess |
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| 20:28.24 | bbmiha | nice info well i am just trying to get back root access |
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| 20:28.42 | streuner_ | dpkg, password |
| 20:28.42 | dpkg | streuner_: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:28.47 | bbmiha | as i said i change with command vim /etc/passwd the first word root into my own |
| 20:29.03 | bbmiha | and now i am without access |
| 20:29.19 | astier | bbmiha: and what part about running bash as init process didn't work? |
| 20:29.28 | bbmiha | stupid me though that this would change root username |
| 20:29.40 | streuner_ | username? |
| 20:29.41 | astier | it does. you must have changed more than that |
| 20:29.51 | bbmiha | root > my_own_one |
| 20:29.56 | bbmiha | yeah but when i logged out |
| 20:30.09 | bbmiha | and than logedin in there was no access anymore :( |
| 20:30.17 | streuner_ | bbmiha: so you need to get the password for root? |
| 20:30.19 | astier | bbmiha: answer my question |
| 20:30.20 | jordanm | he likely would have needed to change the name in the shaddow as well |
| 20:30.28 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys password |
| 20:30.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'password' by key (10 of 24): #debian forgot mysql root password ;; #debian-bots i forgot root's password ;; _default forgot mysql root password ;; _default i forgot root's password ;; forgot mysql root password ;; i forgot mysql root password ;; i forgot mysql's root password ;; i forgot root's password ;; i lost root's password ;; initial mysql password. |
| 20:30.42 | solifugus | I don't have dpkg sudo privs.. Is there a way to install a local .deb file using apt-get ? |
| 20:30.48 | bbmiha | i have password |
| 20:30.50 | jelly-home | streuner_: he needs to put back root into /etc/passwd. |
| 20:30.52 | bbmiha | only username is fucked now |
| 20:31.02 | astier | bbmiha: can you _please_ answer my question? |
| 20:31.12 | bbmiha | sry sec |
| 20:31.14 | jelly-home | solifugus: you can become root with eg. su - |
| 20:31.52 | streuner_ | jelly: great... |
| 20:31.53 | bbmiha | astier: i didnt do the grub stuf yet |
| 20:32.01 | bbmiha | well yell |
| 20:32.11 | astier | bbmiha: and the reason for not doing it is what exactly? |
| 20:32.22 | bbmiha | i can do it tommorow |
| 20:32.26 | bbmiha | one login per day :S |
| 20:32.34 | astier | login? |
| 20:32.36 | bbmiha | one remote access |
| 20:32.43 | bbmiha | to direct access |
| 20:32.45 | streuner_ | what the hell doing it at all? |
| 20:32.47 | bbmiha | threw KWO IP |
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| 20:33.01 | streuner_ | you* |
| 20:33.20 | bbmiha | sry its KVMoIP |
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| 20:33.38 | solifugus | jelly-home: I don't have that priv |
| 20:33.51 | jelly-home | solifugus: you'll have to contact your administrator, then |
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| 20:34.05 | bbmiha | i ll try tommorow with the grub stuff with mounting file |
| 20:34.16 | solifugus | yep.. unavailable.. he gave me root password last week but I must have misremembered it.. not working.. |
| 20:34.16 | bbmiha | i hope it should work |
| 20:34.31 | solifugus | I destroyed the yellow sticky note |
| 20:34.44 | solifugus | and put the pieces in separate garbage cans |
| 20:34.54 | jelly-home | solifugus: I'm not touching this situation with a ten foot pole. |
| 20:35.15 | astier | hands jelly-home a 60' cluebat |
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| 20:36.19 | solifugus | I remember an old scifi movie (Darkstar, I think it was?) where, not having the password, they could just talk with the computer.. and convince the bomb's computer not to explode.. |
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| 20:36.55 | solifugus | only.. it ultimate decided that nobody else existed, it was God and said---Let there be light!! booom |
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| 20:38.29 | jelly-home | solifugus: if you have physical access to the bomb, /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 20:38.36 | bbmiha | am i right if i type passwd root i can only change password |
| 20:38.50 | syn4pse | if ur root |
| 20:38.50 | bbmiha | i cant realy change username as before |
| 20:38.51 | syn4pse | yes |
| 20:38.57 | bbmiha | oh |
| 20:39.01 | jelly-home | bbmiha: you took away the account named "root"... that won't work any more |
| 20:39.01 | solifugus | jelly-home: nope.. it's a hosted vm on vmware vsphere.. but another department |
| 20:39.17 | syn4pse | lol |
| 20:39.37 | jelly-home | solifugus: if you have an equivalent of console access (ie. vSphere client), ... |
| 20:39.48 | solifugus | no.. |
| 20:39.51 | solifugus | i wish |
| 20:39.56 | jelly-home | "contact your admin" |
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| 20:40.02 | bbmiha | so i can acces vim /etc/passwd threw grub ? |
| 20:40.08 | bbmiha | and change there and rebot? |
| 20:40.10 | solifugus | at my former work, I was the one who set up the whole vsphere server farm. |
| 20:40.36 | legba7 | howto compile only one module from the kernelsource? |
| 20:40.38 | bbmiha | i am sory if its nooby question but i am still learning |
| 20:40.42 | jelly-home | solifugus: I don't see how that's relevant or how that's going to help you in this situation. |
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| 20:40.47 | SparFux1 | Ok, now only I have to make halevt mount even cryptodrives. |
| 20:41.08 | syn4pse | why do you delete root? |
| 20:41.19 | syn4pse | or did you just fuckup the password? |
| 20:41.24 | bbmiha | nono |
| 20:41.33 | bbmiha | i wanted to change username root to my own one |
| 20:41.33 | jelly-home | bbmiha: get a local machine. Install linux on it, and do the same thing you did on the remote machine. Now recover from that situation. |
| 20:41.50 | bbmiha | and i thought this would help to change vim /etc/passwd |
| 20:42.02 | bbmiha | yeah |
| 20:42.07 | bbmiha | i ll try that |
| 20:42.28 | bbmiha | but dont have much time to play |
| 20:42.42 | jelly-home | bbmiha: then pay someone to fix the issue |
| 20:42.46 | bbmiha | so i rather ask ppls with experience |
| 20:43.01 | bbmiha | fakers from support want 30 pounds for this job |
| 20:43.03 | bbmiha | screw that |
| 20:43.12 | bbmiha | its not that big deal |
| 20:43.19 | jelly-home | bbmiha: that's a normal price for 1hr Linux work. |
| 20:43.25 | bbmiha | its half hour |
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| 20:43.53 | jelly-home | bbmiha: it's actually 5 minutes, but quite some weeks of learning. |
| 20:44.10 | bbmiha | hehe yeah but i rather try to learn by myself |
| 20:44.19 | bbmiha | so i know that to fix later on |
| 20:45.15 | jelly-home | bbmiha: I just told you how to learn it better, if you have local console access you can try booting in various ways to get to your filesystem and edit that file |
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| 20:45.51 | bbmiha | yeah i ll try the grub process tommorow |
| 20:46.29 | bbmiha | the stuf i am worried is this: passwd root |
| 20:46.41 | bbmiha | i am afraid i will have change to change pass only |
| 20:46.45 | bbmiha | chance* |
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| 20:47.22 | simonrvn | duh |
| 20:47.29 | simonrvn | that's the command... |
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| 20:47.44 | bbmiha | i know but then i ll get asked |
| 20:47.51 | bbmiha | enter new password: |
| 20:47.55 | bbmiha | repeat new pass: |
| 20:47.58 | jelly-home | bbmiha: I'll tell you again: replace step 4 (THAT'S "passwd root", BTW) with that same vim /etc/passwd again and put things back as they were |
| 20:47.59 | bbmiha | i guess |
| 20:48.06 | jelly-home | bbmiha: you guess wrong. |
| 20:48.18 | jelly-home | passwd root won't work AT ALL |
| 20:48.30 | bbmiha | i see now |
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| 20:48.43 | bbmiha | far more clear now :) |
| 20:48.49 | jelly-home | because you replaced the "root" account in the username database with something else |
| 20:49.00 | bbmiha | yeah |
| 20:49.21 | bbmiha | and i have to still mount file later on right? |
| 20:49.31 | bbmiha | mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 20:50.45 | bbmiha | allright thanks guys for all the patience |
| 20:50.58 | bbmiha | presiate |
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| 20:51.43 | bbmiha | and btw jelly-home u said u provide service... hostin? may i ask for website? |
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| 20:52.38 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
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| 20:53.31 | jelly-home | bbmiha: I just work for a local isp. http://www.iskon.hr/eng |
| 20:53.53 | bbmiha | ow croatian? |
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| 20:54.48 | jelly-home | yep |
| 20:54.53 | bbmiha | poz iz slovenije :) |
| 20:55.00 | s1kx | where could I find the disks of a SAS RAID10 if theyre not at /dev/sda etc? |
| 20:55.11 | jelly-home | heh. |
| 20:55.13 | bbmiha | bye ppls |
| 20:55.20 | bbmiha | tks |
| 20:55.22 | jelly-home | s1kx: which controller? |
| 20:55.24 | SparFux1 | Hi all. Why would hal refuse to mount a device from fstab? It's known how to handle that device after all: DBus Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: Device /dev/sde1 is listed in /etc/fstab. Refusing to mount. |
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| 20:55.47 | s1kx | jelly-home: no idea to be honest. i got this server but the raid isnt mounted yet |
| 20:55.58 | jelly-home | s1kx: if it's a brand name server, google that brand/model and Linux |
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| 20:56.49 | humbolt | How can I copy a bunch of symlinks and end up with a copy of the files they are linking to, instead of another bunch of symlinks? |
| 20:57.21 | jelly-home | s1kx: eg. HP Proliant servers might use cciss driver and /dev/cciss/c?d? for array devices |
| 20:57.28 | s1kx | HP BL460c "Integrated Smart Array E200i RAID controller with 64mb cache" @ jelly-home |
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| 20:57.45 | s1kx | yes I see /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 for /boot but thats only 206mb |
| 20:57.49 | s1kx | i should look there for more |
| 20:57.56 | s1kx | ah indeed there is more ;P |
| 20:58.11 | jelly-home | s1kx: /dev/cciss/c0d0 is the whole disk, and c0d0p* are partitions |
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| 20:58.22 | jelly-home | s/disk/array/ |
| 20:58.30 | s1kx | thanks, so I assume I have to partition the other array first? |
| 20:58.33 | s1kx | being c1d0 |
| 20:58.44 | simonrvn | idoru is a bit screwed up... |
| 20:59.00 | jelly-home | s1kx: "have to"? |
| 20:59.15 | _Deko_ | linux para seres humanos |
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| 21:00.05 | jelly-home | simonrvn: the bot or the William Gibson novel? |
| 21:00.10 | s1kx | jelly-home: yeah lets say I want one partition for the entire HD and mount it to /postgres |
| 21:00.25 | jelly-home | s1kx: why use a partition at all! |
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| 21:00.42 | humbolt | How can I copy a bunch of symlinks and end up with a copy of the files they are linking to, instead of another bunch of symlinks? |
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| 21:00.46 | s1kx | because i'm a noob who doesnt know better, unless you can enlighten me and tell me I can just mount it like this? |
| 21:01.12 | jelly-home | s1kx: in that case, make a partition. |
| 21:01.20 | s1kx | :] |
| 21:01.48 | simonrvn | bot in here |
| 21:01.58 | jelly-home | s1kx: (you could format a filesystem directly on /dev/cciss/c1d0, which would just make things more confusing later) |
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| 21:02.47 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to run FreeWRL plugin in Firefox, but when it runs, it always appears as a black box in the upper left most corner of the screen instead of being in the browser itself |
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| 21:03.14 | Angstrom_ | How do I stop it from happening or what is a better VRML plugin for Firefox? |
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| 21:04.16 | s1kx | jelly-home: df-h shows /dev/mapper/debian-root mounted to / atm, however it doesnt seem to be a symlink to /dev/cciss/c0d0p1, how is this done then? |
| 21:04.37 | jelly-home | s1kx: this mean you chose a LVM-based setup |
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| 21:05.56 | s1kx | jelly-home: so eventually I could partition and mount the drive through iLO or somehow easier through LVM instead of fdisking it myself? |
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| 21:14.29 | HackeMate | how to split a ttc file? |
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| 21:15.18 | jelly-home | s1kx: you could bring up lvm on the second array, sure |
| 21:15.54 | syn4pse | brb trying my luck now :D |
| 21:15.56 | Number6 | hello guys, can someone please provide me Eclipse repository. I can't install eclipse using apt-get install eclipse. |
| 21:15.57 | jelly-home | s1kx: not sure how worthwhile this would be |
| 21:16.21 | s1kx | jelly-home: is there any disadvantages? |
| 21:17.04 | jelly-home | s1kx: typically I don't see much use for LVM on local raid arrays |
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| 21:18.21 | jelly-home | s1kx: disk sizes almost never change during the lifetime of a machine; even if they do, cciss and its hpacucli / hpadu tools also provide some capabilities to grow arrays |
| 21:18.25 | Number6 | Can somebody please help me to install eclipse on my Lenny? |
| 21:18.37 | jelly-home | !eclipse |
| 21:18.37 | dpkg | it has been said that eclipse is the end of the world, or an extensible Integrated Development Environment written in Java. Available for Squeeze, removed from Lenny at <5.0.5> to resolve Debian bug #574356. http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ http://www.eclipse.org/ #eclipse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:18.54 | Guest28004 | Number6: whats the problem? |
| 21:19.11 | jelly-home | Number6: it seems there's no recent build for lenny, at least not available from Debian. Have you tried installing from upstream? |
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| 21:19.27 | Number6 | Guest28004, I want to install eclipse 3.5 using apt-get install... |
| 21:19.36 | Guest28004 | just install it from the Sun page. Its pretty self contained. |
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| 21:20.42 | Number6 | ok, but this is the n-th time I can't install software with apt on Debian, I seriously thinking to switch to ubuntu... |
| 21:20.51 | aPpYe | I am getting advice to install standard install before upgrading to testing. I want to have ext4 and the standard installer does not have it as an option. Also, what would be the problem with going with testing right from the install? |
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| 21:21.00 | aPpYe | This is just a simple vm installation for now. |
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| 21:23.36 | aPpYe | no takers, huh? |
| 21:23.59 | aPpYe | I am just gonna go straight into testing and risk the wrath of a broken system... |
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| 21:24.57 | aPpYe | so yeah ... |
| 21:25.13 | aPpYe | this channel is usually so busy. Anyone getting this? |
| 21:25.31 | jelly-home | Number6: some newer versions of software can be found via backports.org; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:25.46 | aPpYe | so anyway, hello self! |
| 21:25.53 | aPpYe | how you doing self? |
| 21:25.56 | aPpYe | pretty good self. |
| 21:26.19 | aPpYe | that's good. We can talk later then and see what I am up to. |
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| 21:27.55 | simonrvn | aPpYe: no, no one's here. ever. we're figments. |
| 21:27.56 | jelly-home | !tell aPpYe about ext4 |
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| 21:28.26 | jelly-home | !tell aPpYe about testing |
| 21:28.31 | Number6 | jelly-home, ok, but still in time I'll switch to ubuntu, all that hacking wastes too much time for me. As a father of 3 kids and a husband of an attention-demanding wife can't afford that. |
| 21:28.39 | aPpYe | ha ha ... thanks guys. |
| 21:28.49 | s1kx | jelly-home: thanks for the help. is there any advantages of certain filesystems on certain raid-types? |
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| 21:29.11 | s1kx | this raid10 is used -only- for a database system with postgresql |
| 21:29.28 | s1kx | so maybe ext2 should be ok if there is nothing better |
| 21:29.39 | jelly-home | s1kx: probably outside of the scope of this channel (read: I can't be bothered to explain stuff ;-) |
| 21:29.46 | s1kx | :P |
| 21:29.54 | jelly-home | s1kx: if you don't know better, use ext3 |
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| 21:30.51 | s1kx | would that be 85? |
| 21:31.04 | jelly-home | no, that number if always 83 |
| 21:31.07 | jelly-home | is* |
| 21:31.14 | s1kx | ok |
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| 21:31.22 | jelly-home | you just mkfs different fs types on top |
| 21:31.30 | s1kx | its been a while since i've felt so noobish about something :] |
| 21:31.40 | s1kx | ah right |
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| 21:35.13 | jelly-home | s1kx: remember to install and play with hpacucli to tool to have something simple to monitor the arrays state |
| 21:35.20 | jelly-home | !proliant |
| 21:35.20 | dpkg | HP ProLiant utilities for lenny i386 and amd64: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1538177301/v45350/ . See also <nc375i>. http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant |
| 21:35.45 | jelly-home | links may be outdated, HP web site breaks every 6 months |
| 21:36.29 | s1kx | thank you |
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| 21:38.28 | jelly-home | s1kx: also get firmware update cd (choose eg. RHEL5 on the drivers page for your proliant series) and update what you can; there are often bugs in older firmware |
| 21:39.50 | f3xy | Anyone anyone know of a good cube desktop package in squeeze? I can't seem to find one. |
| 21:40.24 | f3xy | supposedly there was something called 3ddesktop |
| 21:40.48 | f3xy | but I can't find it at packages.debian.org |
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| 21:41.21 | moldovean | , versions 3ddesktop |
| 21:41.23 | judd | 3ddesktop -- etch: 0.2.9-6 |
| 21:42.11 | jelly-home | f3xy: uh... "compiz"? :-) |
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| 21:42.39 | f3xy | I would use it if there a way to just use the desktop cube part |
| 21:43.05 | f3xy | I'm using xcompmgr already |
| 21:43.19 | jelly-home | no 3d support for your card? |
| 21:43.20 | f3xy | I'm pretty happy with it |
| 21:43.36 | f3xy | my card has 3d support |
| 21:43.42 | f3xy | I'm just trying to be minimal |
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| 21:43.48 | f3xy | I'm running openbox |
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| 21:44.19 | f3xy | I have the nvidia drivers installed and working |
| 21:44.29 | f3xy | xcompmgr works fine |
| 21:44.45 | f3xy | and my windows manager is using less resources than this copy of irssi :P |
| 21:44.58 | Gentoochild | hello there. today I am setting up a friendâs laptop with a new HDMI monitor. But I canât get it to use 1920x1080 as initial mode, it always reverts to a resolution smaller than the internal LCD |
| 21:45.14 | Gentoochild | can maybe someone with a similar setup give me his xorg.conf |
| 21:45.15 | Gentoochild | ? |
| 21:45.24 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: which debian release are you using? Which version of xorg? |
| 21:45.30 | Gentoochild | squeeze |
| 21:46.04 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and /etc/X11/xorg.conf if existant |
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| 21:47.53 | jelly-home | there might be something simple to set up like a Virtual line |
| 21:49.00 | Gentoochild | xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/tsaiQfaA |
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| 21:50.17 | Gentoochild | xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/drYja8yp |
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| 21:52.27 | Gentoochild | I'm a little puzzled by the log's line 140 (Output VGA1 using monitor section Intenal Monitor) and 143 (Output HDMI1 has no monitor section) |
| 21:52.46 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: does it work better without any xorg.conf ? |
| 21:53.12 | jelly-home | (if you start X with hdmi monitor connected and powered on) |
| 21:53.20 | jordanm | !gentoosmite Gentoochild |
| 21:53.20 | dpkg | spends 8 days recompiling Gentoochild, and when it's all done, Gentoochild runs 0.6% faster than previously |
| 21:53.28 | jelly-home | that was uncalled for |
| 21:53.34 | Gentoochild | we've had this before -_- |
| 21:53.38 | jordanm | sorry... |
| 21:53.43 | Gentoochild | nope, no xorg.conf is even worse |
| 21:53.51 | Gentoochild | with an even lower resolution on the external |
| 21:54.02 | JoshH | try compiling xorg with funroll-loops |
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| 21:54.25 | Gentoochild | is not on Gentoo, neither on his own, nor on his friendâs laptop |
| 21:54.34 | jordanm | Gentoochild: is this a newer laptop? |
| 21:54.35 | Gentoochild | the name is just an historic liability ^^ |
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| 21:54.41 | themill | heh |
| 21:54.47 | JoshH | http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 21:54.52 | Gentoochild | still quite new, a few months |
| 21:55.08 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: screen 0, subsection display, add a line like Virtual 3286 1280 |
| 21:55.15 | Gentoochild | Intel mobile 4 series |
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| 21:55.27 | jordanm | Gentoochild: you might want to give the drivers from experimental a try, which is suppossed to have quite a few bug fixes and added support |
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| 21:55.38 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: remove or comment out the second screen entry |
| 21:56.03 | jordanm | Gentoochild: what is the pciid? mine also says mobile 4 and it runs great using what appears to be the same software |
| 21:56.21 | jelly-home | xorg from squeeze was supposed to have stupid default virtual fixed, at least it WFM |
| 21:56.47 | jelly-home | jordanm: with two display devices, the external one larger? |
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| 21:57.26 | jordanm | jelly-home: ah, no. |
| 21:57.27 | jelly-home | JoshH: srsly we've all heard all the gentoo jokes before |
| 21:57.29 | jordanm | jelly-home: no hdmi either |
| 21:57.37 | JoshH | k |
| 21:57.56 | Gentoochild | jelly-home: uhm, perhaps if I added the 1920x1080 mode to the display subsection? |
| 21:58.05 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: don't. |
| 21:58.06 | Gentoochild | because the laptop resolution is not supported by the external monitor |
| 21:58.13 | Gentoochild | hence, it switches to 1280xsomething |
| 21:58.44 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: I don't think that's the reason for switching to 1280xsomething |
| 21:59.07 | jelly-home | in short "do what I say" |
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| 21:59.19 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am having a problem with migrating from python2.5 to python2.6 i move my package from /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ to the python2.6 dir but apache still cant see it. anyone can help please? |
| 21:59.24 | Gentoochild | the problem is: when starting KDM, the res is low. But once I'm logged in, I can switch it back to 1920x1080 |
| 21:59.38 | Gentoochild | jelly-home: adding virtual now |
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| 21:59.50 | jordanm | evilbulgarian: its now /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ (instead of site packages) |
| 21:59.59 | speedy | is there another mirror of archive.debian.org that has debian etch packages? archive.debian.org seems to be down |
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| 22:00.12 | themill | evilbulgarian: what do you have in /usr/local? |
| 22:00.31 | jordanm | evilbulgarian: so changing 2.5 to 2.6 alone would not be correct |
| 22:00.38 | evilbulgarian | jordanm: cool that was it thanks |
| 22:00.51 | moldovean | speedy, it's up here |
| 22:00.53 | jelly-home | speedy: works for me and resolves to 194.109.137.218 |
| 22:01.00 | evilbulgarian | themill: thanks moving it to dist-packages fixed it |
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| 22:01.01 | Gentoochild | jelly-home: obviously your example resolution for the virtual is improvised. so as long as it is >= the max resolution of the external, it'll do, right? |
| 22:01.23 | themill | evilbulgarian: you presumably don't have compiled extensions, just python modules there |
| 22:01.47 | evilbulgarian | yeah just a module i think |
| 22:01.53 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: it's not improvised. It's written under the assumption you'll want the geometry of both devices to be one to the left one one ot the right |
| 22:02.06 | Gentoochild | jelly-home: I'm running cloned mode |
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| 22:02.18 | Gentoochild | ideally, the internal screen is off when the external is connected |
| 22:02.29 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: in that case you can just use the max x and amx y res |
| 22:02.48 | Gentoochild | and I thought it was improvised because man xorg.conf says x has to be a multiple of 8 |
| 22:02.50 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: ie 1920 1280 or whatever |
| 22:02.55 | speedy | moldovean, jelly-home I cant reach the server for some reason, trying from two different places, do you know any other mirror that includes etch? |
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| 22:03.12 | jelly-home | speedy: nope, sorry |
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| 22:03.58 | Gentoochild | ok, I've added th virtual and commented out the second screen (whatever for). restarting X... |
| 22:06.03 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: if forgot to tell you to comment out all the references to it as well |
| 22:06.11 | jelly-home | s/if/I/ |
| 22:06.16 | Gentoochild | done that |
| 22:06.27 | Gentoochild | but no change, it's still at 1280 x something |
| 22:06.35 | Angstrom_ | How do I stop it from happening or what is a better VRML plugin for Firefox? |
| 22:06.43 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 22:07.22 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: got rid of Option "monitor-outputnames" as well? |
| 22:07.31 | Gentoochild | uhm, nope |
| 22:07.57 | Gentoochild | ew, the TTY is moved to the left, I can't see the first column(s) |
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| 22:08.38 | Gentoochild | jelly-home: get rid of both or just the externa? |
| 22:08.41 | Gentoochild | +l |
| 22:09.08 | jelly-home | both, I think |
| 22:09.52 | Gentoochild | the same. what do you think of the log telling about "EDID for output HDMI1" |
| 22:09.59 | jelly-home | I have to confess I have all that crap on my i915GM at home with a 1680x1050 external VGA1 and internal LVDS1 and it works pretty much as you want it to |
| 22:10.23 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: http://pastebin.com/MVyiZWJ0 |
| 22:10.37 | Gentoochild | I got an external working on my laptop's VGA nicely as well (nvidia binary though) |
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| 22:11.00 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: and gdm starts in external-native 1680x1050, not internal 1280x800 |
| 22:11.16 | Gentoochild | hm... you have multiple display subsections |
| 22:11.25 | jelly-home | like I said, all that crap |
| 22:11.47 | jelly-home | it does nothing; used to be useful a few years and xorg revisions ago |
| 22:12.10 | jelly-home | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:12.12 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny7; sid: 2:2.9.1-4; squeeze: 2:2.9.1-4; experimental: 2:2.12.0-1 |
| 22:12.14 | jelly-home | ,versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 22:12.17 | judd | xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny2; sid: 2:1.7.7-3; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-3; experimental: 2:1.8.99.905-1 |
| 22:12.39 | Gentoochild | well, the production system is still a lenny |
| 22:12.56 | Gentoochild | I only installed a squeeze (experimental originally) to have a look at KDE4 a few months ago |
| 22:12.59 | jelly-home | but you're testing on testing. |
| 22:13.16 | Gentoochild | to decide whether migration would be feasible |
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| 22:13.56 | jelly-home | I use squeeze with an intel G43 (like G45 just desktop, not mobile) and a single DVI output at work, almost nothing in xorg.conf, works fine |
| 22:14.13 | Gentoochild | X without xorg.conf never really worked for me the way I wanted it to *g* |
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| 22:14.24 | sabayonuser | Is debian using Gnome 2.30 yet ? |
| 22:14.50 | reisio | sabayonuser: testing is |
| 22:15.04 | reisio | so anyone sane using Debian for a desktop is |
| 22:15.10 | sabayonuser | testing = sod ? |
| 22:15.11 | jelly-home | !tell sabayonuser about gnome status |
| 22:15.12 | sabayonuser | sid* |
| 22:15.17 | moldovean | , versions gnome |
| 22:15.18 | judd | gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.30+1; squeeze: 1:2.30+1 |
| 22:15.32 | Gentoochild | hm... why does Xorg.0.log say that Output VGA1 was using my "Internal Monitor" section? (when there is nothing connected to VGA1) |
| 22:15.36 | sabayonuser | which is safer sid or squeeze :P |
| 22:15.37 | jelly-home | moldovean: that metapackage version doesn't say much really |
| 22:15.46 | Angstrom_ | How do I stop it from happening or what is a better VRML plugin for Firefox? |
| 22:15.51 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to run FreeWRL plugin in Firefox, but when it runs, it always appears as a black box in the upper left most corner of the screen instead of being in the browser itself |
| 22:16.02 | reisio | sabayonuser: squeeze :p |
| 22:16.21 | sabayonuser | whats up with debian as a desktop :P |
| 22:16.35 | reisio | sabayonuser: awesomeness? |
| 22:16.59 | sabayonuser | you said anyone sane usingit as a desktop :P |
| 22:16.59 | jelly-home | sabayonuser: full stars. xfce 4.6.1, kde 4.4.3... I luvz it. |
| 22:17.10 | sabayonuser | im not really a KDE fan |
| 22:17.18 | reisio | sabayonuser: implying that using Debian _stable_ for a desktop is silly |
| 22:17.20 | jelly-home | I'm not really a sabayonuser fan. |
| 22:17.26 | sabayonuser | too bloated for my old banger computer |
| 22:17.32 | reisio | not because it's not stable, but because it's too stable |
| 22:17.41 | jelly-home | reisio: it depends on what you're using your desktop for. |
| 22:17.46 | sabayonuser | jelly-home: me either hence the debian switch... always back to debian :P |
| 22:18.15 | reisio | jelly-home: "desktop" is determined by what you use the hardware _for_ |
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| 22:18.18 | reisio | not what type of hardware you have |
| 22:18.27 | GuySoft | hi all , um, where is kbuild 2.6.35 ? |
| 22:18.27 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: care to put the latest log up for comparison |
| 22:18.42 | Gentoochild | ok, waitaminit |
| 22:18.50 | Gentoochild | most log in and go online with that thing |
| 22:19.13 | Gentoochild | most=must |
| 22:19.20 | jelly-home | !tell GuySoft about kernel compile |
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| 22:19.32 | jelly-home | GuySoft: that page will tell you how to build it |
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| 22:20.09 | GuySoft | jelly-home, but there are kernel headers in the experimental repositories, and they depend on that package... |
| 22:20.30 | jelly-home | GuySoft: why do you expect experimental to be not broken? |
| 22:20.32 | GuySoft | jelly-home, i know how to compile kernels, but if there are kernel headers, it usually means that there is a kernel-build |
| 22:20.36 | jelly-home | !experimental |
| 22:20.36 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 22:20.54 | jelly-home | GuySoft: read the caps. |
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| 22:21.02 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to run FreeWRL plugin in Firefox, but when it runs, it always appears as a black box in the upper left most corner of the screen instead of being in the browser itself |
| 22:21.05 | Angstrom_ | How do I stop it from happening or what is a better VRML plugin for Firefox? |
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| 22:21.20 | jelly-home | Angstrom_: please don't repeat yourself so often. |
| 22:21.24 | reisio | Angstrom_: in Iceweasel? |
| 22:21.24 | GuySoft | jelly-home, i know what i am doing... thats why i came here to TELL you that there is a missing package |
| 22:21.27 | jelly-home | !tell Angstrom_ about repeat |
| 22:21.41 | reisio | yeah spam the buffer to tell someone to stop spamming the buffer |
| 22:22.01 | GuySoft | jelly-home, if i wanted to compile the kernel i would have done it. i want to test a specific driver before it rolls out |
| 22:22.19 | reisio | GuySoft: a specific... kernel driver? |
| 22:22.29 | jelly-home | GuySoft: there are no debian kernel maintainers here. They already know about the situation because they created it. This happens with every new kernel in experimental. |
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| 22:22.35 | GuySoft | reisio, well, kernel module, that is part of the kernel package |
| 22:22.44 | Gentoochild | here's the current log |
| 22:22.45 | Gentoochild | http://pastebin.com/kXshGcJE |
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| 22:23.16 | GuySoft | jelly-home, you could have said that from the start :-/ .. |
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| 22:23.48 | jelly-home | GuySoft: you seemed not to be aware experimental packages are KNOWN BROKEN |
| 22:24.43 | GuySoft | jelly-home, its the first time i come across it in the experimental kernel packages |
| 22:25.15 | jelly-home | well, now you know |
| 22:26.05 | Gentoochild | hm.. the old log said that I didn't specify a device for the external monitor |
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| 22:26.18 | Gentoochild | found out through diffing the two |
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| 22:28.42 | jelly-home | GuySoft: and you don't have to compile the kernel. I said that page [among other things] tells you how to build a linux-kbuild-version package that you're missing to get linux-headers-foo installed. |
| 22:29.13 | jelly-home | this doesn't involve building a kernel in the process |
| 22:31.57 | jelly-home | GuySoft: gut feeling is this ought to be fixable by careful rearranging of xorg.conf, but it's AM time here and I can't think straight any more |
| 22:32.01 | jelly-home | er. |
| 22:32.05 | jelly-home | obviously. |
| 22:32.10 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: gut feeling is this ought to be fixable by careful rearranging of xorg.conf, but it's AM time here and I can't think straight any more |
| 22:32.21 | Gentoochild | yes, here too |
| 22:32.32 | Gentoochild | will you be here tomorrow? :-) |
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| 22:32.48 | GuySoft | jelly-home, xorg? |
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| 22:32.58 | jelly-home | GuySoft: sorry, not meant for you |
| 22:34.02 | moldovean | GuySoft, about which module are you talking ? |
| 22:34.18 | GuySoft | moldovean, well, i am not sure because they changed the name now |
| 22:34.44 | moldovean | last name was ? |
| 22:35.24 | GuySoft | moldovean, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584945 |
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| 22:36.28 | jelly-home | GuySoft: kernel pepole use experimental now to throw stuff that used to be in their private, now deceased, repo. You're supposed to know a bit about their build process and why linux-kbuild-XXX doesn't exist before other packages get uploaded... they're not build from the same package source. |
| 22:36.35 | Gentoochild | hm.. I've removed the internal screen from my server layout, now the resolution on the external seems ok |
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| 22:36.47 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: that thing. yes. |
| 22:37.55 | GuySoft | jelly-home, well, i dont know how the things are pushed in to experimental.. maybe someday |
| 22:38.14 | Gentoochild | damn... kdm resolution was nice, but after login, all is bläh again |
| 22:38.55 | jelly-home | Gentoochild: now reconfigure KDE's xrandr interface and make it save its config somehow |
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| 22:39.00 | Xenguy | Anyone know offhand how I can append to an existing dpkg factoid? |
| 22:39.29 | Angstrom_ | fuggidy dug |
| 22:39.31 | petemc | foo is also bar |
| 22:39.32 | Angstrom_ | dsdadasdasdasdasd |
| 22:39.33 | Gentoochild | hm.. it's not right somehow. according to xrandr, the external is running on 1920x1080, but I'm missing some pixels on each edge |
| 22:39.35 | jelly-home | Xenguy: if it ends with "[...]foo.", s/foo./ foo, and another thing..." |
| 22:39.41 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to run FreeWRL plugin in Firefox, but when it runs, it always appears as a black box in the upper left most corner of the screen instead of being in the browser itself |
| 22:39.44 | Angstrom_ | How do I stop it from happening or what is a better VRML plugin for Firefox? |
| 22:39.49 | Xenguy | thanks |
| 22:39.50 | jelly-home | petemc: that makes for ugly factoids. |
| 22:40.56 | jelly-home | Xenguy: simplest thing might be to query dpkg for "literal foofact" in private, then start with "no, foofact is " and paste the rest and rearrange to your liking |
| 22:41.09 | themill | Xenguy: if in doubt, ask about whether it's a good change to make |
| 22:41.39 | jelly-home | change is always good, said the wikipedia vandal |
| 22:42.11 | Xenguy | well it has to do with noscript, which as of version 2, accesses apache web server every 5 minutes from the local IP, without providing any identifier |
| 22:42.37 | jelly-home | which apache web server does it access? |
| 22:43.03 | Xenguy | jelly-home: local web server |
| 22:43.28 | jelly-home | Xenguy: http://localhost/ ? |
| 22:43.59 | jelly-home | Xenguy: care to paste an access.log line?\ |
| 22:44.04 | Xenguy | jelly-home: yes, though the access log shows the non-private IP address |
| 22:44.30 | Xenguy | jelly-home: for example: xxx.xxx.xxx.x - - [03/Aug/2010:16:42:05 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1468 "-" "-" |
| 22:45.02 | Xenguy | where xxx.xxx.xxx.x is the non-private IP |
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| 22:45.12 | jelly-home | Xenguy: and you don't have that IP opened in any tab? |
| 22:45.56 | jelly-home | Xenguy: or have weird entries in /etc/hosts or avahi resolver pointing to that IP? |
| 22:45.59 | Xenguy | jelly-home: no, it's supposedly some new feature that noscript is doing to check routers (or something) |
| 22:46.32 | Xenguy | jelly-home: I have disabled the behaviour now in noscript... |
| 22:46.41 | jelly-home | Xenguy: does it go away if you kill avahi-daemon and/or remove mdns from /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 22:46.48 | Xenguy | I just had a hell of a time figuring out what the source of the log entries was |
| 22:47.10 | Xenguy | jelly-home: you can deactivate in the noscript advanced options |
| 22:47.31 | jelly-home | now you're making me upgrade firefox extensions |
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| 22:47.54 | Xenguy | noscript itself gave me no clue that it was noscript doing the web server accesses every 5 minutes |
| 22:48.02 | Xenguy | jelly-home: heh |
| 22:48.04 | Gentoochild | YAY, it's right now. The monitor was set to a wrong zoom mode -_- |
| 22:48.38 | jelly-home | !spank Gentoochild |
| 22:48.38 | dpkg | bends Gentoochild over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 22:48.51 | jelly-home | that's on general principle. And for the nick ;-) |
| 22:49.07 | Xenguy | biab |
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| 22:49.41 | Gentoochild | hm... and where would I have to look to get sound working over HDMI? |
| 22:49.43 | Gentoochild | does that work at alLÃ |
| 22:49.45 | Gentoochild | ? |
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| 22:50.31 | reisio | Gentoochild: probably, assuming the device is supported |
| 22:50.46 | reisio | the channel might be muted by default, though |
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| 22:51.10 | Gentoochild | Intel HD |
| 22:51.16 | Gentoochild | ICH9 Family |
| 22:51.22 | reisio | probably well supported |
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| 22:51.28 | Gentoochild | we don't need fancy stuff, just to feed the monitor |
| 22:51.35 | Gentoochild | the monitor's stereo speakers |
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| 22:52.22 | Gentoochild | ah, there's a channel in KMix called "digital" |
| 22:52.26 | Gentoochild | le's see... |
| 22:52.28 | Gentoochild | +t |
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| 22:52.50 | moldovean | !alsa-checklist |
| 22:52.50 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 22:53.20 | Gentoochild | hm nope, that's not it |
| 22:53.43 | Gentoochild | the digital channel I mean. going through checklist... |
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| 23:02.38 | Gentoochild | YAY, alsa rocks. the output device was there, just had to select it in KDE |
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| 23:04.13 | krisfremen | ,v tesseract |
| 23:04.18 | krisfremen | , tesseract |
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| 23:04.28 | filePeter | Great job Gentoochild! |
| 23:05.38 | krisfremen | , versions tesseract |
| 23:05.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tesseract' was found. |
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| 23:05.56 | krisfremen | , versions tessaract |
| 23:05.58 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tessaract' was found. |
| 23:06.00 | krisfremen | o.0 |
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| 23:06.55 | krisfremen | , versions tessaract-ocr |
| 23:06.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tessaract-ocr' was found. |
| 23:07.01 | krisfremen | , versions tesseract-ocr |
| 23:07.04 | judd | tesseract-ocr -- etch: 1.02-3; lenny: 2.03-2; sid: 2.04-2; squeeze: 2.04-2 |
| 23:07.06 | krisfremen | finally |
| 23:07.27 | Jan\ | I'm trying to access a debian share with win32 and get this prompt for credentials, which I enter correctly but doesn't allow me access, why? |
| 23:07.38 | Jan\ | debian with samba |
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| 23:08.55 | petemc | Jan\: these are credentials you configured with smbpasswd? |
| 23:09.08 | Jan\ | hmm? no |
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| 23:09.31 | Jan\ | I used the same account info on the debian server |
| 23:09.39 | Gentoochild | strange... the test sound works, but when I play a video, it is still sent to the internal speakers |
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| 23:10.47 | Jan\ | also, how can I remote desktop with win32 to debian? |
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| 23:11.02 | petemc | vnc |
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| 23:11.12 | Jan\ | k |
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| 23:13.43 | mmnicolas | how many colors are supported by a standard linux shell ? 8 or 16 ? |
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| 23:15.37 | Gentoochild | well anyway |
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| 23:15.42 | Gentoochild | thanks for the help and good night |
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| 23:18.11 | ZenWalker | help me with virtualbox |
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| 23:19.03 | ZenWalker | vboxmanage -> ERROR: Could not find a registered machine named 'windowsxp' |
| 23:19.09 | ZenWalker | but this machine exists! |
| 23:19.22 | Gentoochild | hm.. perhaps load its file |
| 23:19.34 | aaroninfidel | Hi, I've installed PHP5 with curl on my debian server can someone explain to me how to enable curl? it's not showing up. |
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| 23:19.45 | Gentoochild | i.e. File -> Import |
| 23:19.45 | bintut | waves |
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| 23:20.12 | bintut | how to check a block device if it has a content and/or formatted without actually mounting it? |
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| 23:20.43 | Gentoochild | fdisk -l |
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| 23:20.47 | jpinx-eeepc | bintut: file /dev/... |
| 23:21.06 | Gentoochild | hexdump the file and look at the bytes *g* |
| 23:21.23 | bintut | jpinx-eeepc: what shall i expect in the output of the file command? |
| 23:21.45 | jpinx-eeepc | it'll probably say "block device" ;) |
| 23:21.53 | jpinx-eeepc | but you never know |
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| 23:22.29 | bintut | jpinx-eeepc: i know it's a block device already. but i want to know if it has already any content and/or formatted without actually mounting it |
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| 23:22.48 | jpinx-eeepc | fdisk -l |
| 23:22.49 | bintut | Gentoochild: hexdump? never used it. is it safe? |
| 23:23.41 | bintut | jpinx-eeepc: it will tell me if a partition is formatted |
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| 23:24.03 | jpinx-eeepc | bintut: try it and see for yourself |
| 23:24.58 | jpinx-eeepc | bintut: man fdisk, man mkfs, man file - do your own legwork ;) |
| 23:25.43 | bintut | jpinx-eeepc: thanks. |
| 23:26.03 | petemc | file -s works here |
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| 23:26.12 | sander | Hi. Can anyone tell me what I need to do, to make sure my memory stick is bootable when installing an .iso with unetbootin? |
| 23:26.18 | sander | It says: THis is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable floppy and press any key to try again.. |
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| 23:26.24 | sander | WHen I try to boot from the memory stick. |
| 23:27.11 | jpinx-eeepc | sander: your bios support usb booting? |
| 23:27.34 | sander | jpinx-eeepc, Yes. I have an assus ee pc without cdrom. |
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| 23:27.51 | jpinx-eeepc | what - like mine? ;) |
| 23:28.10 | sander | jpinx-eeepc, Maybe:-p.. I actualy pressed ESC.. then I can choose which device to boot from. |
| 23:28.21 | sander | ANd then the message comes up. |
| 23:28.23 | jpinx-eeepc | sander: how did you create the image? |
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| 23:28.53 | bintut | petemc: nice. thanks for that -s option. |
| 23:30.02 | sander | jpinx-eeepc, First I formatted it with mkfs.msdos and fdisk (W95 FAT32 type) (made partition bootable). Then I used unetbootin to write an .iso into the stick. |
| 23:30.49 | jpinx-eeepc | sander: I have not used unetbootin - I use dd as per the guide |
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| 23:30.57 | Gentoochild | bintut: about the hexdump. if you pipe it to less or head, you don't read the entire disk first. something like hexdump -C /dev/sda | less would do the trick |
| 23:31.14 | sander | jpinx-eeepc, Ok.. whats the commands to do that? |
| 23:31.20 | bintut | Gentoochild: let me check.. |
| 23:31.41 | sander | jpinx-eeepc, Only dd.. no fdisk or mkfs ? |
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| 23:32.09 | jpinx-eeepc | sander: dd if=/your/image of=/whole/usb/device |
| 23:32.21 | jpinx-eeepc | sander: you really need to read the guide |
| 23:32.22 | Angstrom_ | hel |
| 23:32.23 | Gentoochild | bintut: why don't you want to mount it in the first place? |
| 23:32.23 | Angstrom_ | lo |
| 23:32.25 | Angstrom_ | mello |
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| 23:32.28 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to run FreeWRL plugin in Firefox, but when it runs, it always appears as a black box in the upper left most corner of the screen instead of being in the browser itself |
| 23:32.31 | Angstrom_ | How do I stop it from happening or what is a better VRML plugin for Firefox? |
| 23:32.45 | sander | jpinx-eeepc, which guide? |
| 23:33.09 | bintut | Gentoochild: i am preparing a script and some checkup before i finally mount it |
| 23:33.19 | bintut | Gentoochild: this is actually an ebs volume |
| 23:33.26 | jpinx-eeepc | sander: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC and chase it down the menu |
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| 23:42.18 | gumpert345 | hi, my /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is supposed to put 2 of 3 drives into a RAID1 array, after an update from lenny to squeeze, sdb, sda, sdc are changing, they arent the same harddrives as listed in mdadm sda/sdc have been HD753LJ and sdb HD400LD is there a way to do this by UUID or something? |
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| 23:48.04 | r15 | hello, i can't believe it, i just updated my laptop running debian, had message to reboot, and now i have an error, volume group not found. |
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| 23:49.26 | r15 | how could it happen, i did nothing except updating my laptop from the alert of package updates available. |
| 23:49.44 | r15 | it took me 8 hours to do the installation using netinst image. |
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| 23:51.04 | r15 | there was one acpi error message during the automatic update, i closed that and rebooted. |
| 23:51.21 | r15 | going to run the rescue. |
| 23:52.51 | r15 | i used debian after 4-5 years, and i am curious to know, never faced such an issue with redhat/fedora/freebsd. |
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| 23:56.41 | r15 | yes i added few repositories yesterday, jaunty etc. |
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