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| 00:04.36 | something15525 | anybody here use sdlgnuboy? i'm trying to run a gba rom and am getting the error unknown SRAM size 4C |
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| 00:07.30 | r15 | is it safe to add extra repository other than default? |
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| 00:07.38 | r15 | in apt.conf file. |
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| 00:11.30 | something15525 | anybody here use sdlgnuboy? i'm trying to run a gba rom and am getting the error unknown SRAM size 4C |
| 00:11.50 | something15525 | just tried another rom, got error unknown error SRAM 7C |
| 00:12.07 | something15525 | unknown ROM size 7C* |
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| 00:21.30 | mguy | something15525: try the gnuboy project site |
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| 00:26.46 | something15525 | mguy: okay thanks |
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| 00:27.21 | something15525 | mguy: whats the site for gnuboy? |
| 00:29.04 | mguy | google it |
| 00:29.12 | djura-san | so i managed to fix my errors... I installed gnome-desktop-environment at debian boot from first dvd and it worked like charm. |
| 00:29.59 | djura-san | bluetooth and gnome volume manager are working now. It seems that i missed some config during my first install. No big deal anyway since it's working now :D |
| 00:31.31 | something15525 | mguy: ya i did, came up with a lot of stuff, do u know the page? |
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| 00:36.01 | Vutral | mhm |
| 00:36.10 | Vutral | why does squid-prefetch depend squid and not squid3 ? |
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| 00:37.26 | jordanm | Vutral: perhaps it is not for squid3? If it worked for both, I would expect squid | squid3 as depends |
| 00:40.58 | jordanm | Vutral: if you believe that it also works with squid3, file a bug (preferably after testing it) |
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| 01:05.17 | r15 | I am downloading debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso ; will it work as a rescue disk? |
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| 01:05.51 | r15 | right now don't have cd to burn |
| 01:06.21 | r15 | going to sleep, will check later. |
| 01:06.24 | mister_m | I added something to my path, but when I restarted my computer it's not there anymore, how do I add something so it stays there |
| 01:06.26 | jordanm | r15: that is just an installer |
| 01:06.33 | r15 | ok |
| 01:06.55 | r15 | hi jordanm |
| 01:07.02 | jordanm | r15: you want likely either debian-live or knoppix, but I don't know what kind of problems you are having |
| 01:07.26 | r15 | jordanm: I updated my lenny laptop, and then rebooted |
| 01:07.32 | jordanm | mister_m: set and export it in ~/.bashrc, if you use bash |
| 01:07.37 | r15 | now i am getting error that LVM not found. |
| 01:08.00 | jordanm | r15: get knoppix then, I believe the debian-live lacks lvm tools |
| 01:08.08 | r15 | i did nothing with the lvm's or any such thing, only updated my laptop. and as per message rebooted. |
| 01:08.13 | r15 | ok |
| 01:08.18 | jordanm | r15: you should note it is very similar to debian, but not supported here however |
| 01:08.32 | jordanm | r15: did you upgrade to a new release? |
| 01:08.41 | jordanm | eg. testing |
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| 01:09.56 | r15 | jordanm: i remember, yesterday i added few repositories |
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| 01:10.02 | r15 | jonty etc. |
| 01:10.07 | jordanm | r15: jonty? |
| 01:10.46 | r15 | i had some lib missing, older one, libstdc++.so.5 |
| 01:11.06 | jordanm | r15: that doesn't tell what jonty is |
| 01:11.07 | r15 | for which i added deb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty main universe in my apt.conf |
| 01:11.13 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 01:11.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 01:11.40 | r15 | jordanm: could that be the reason? |
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| 01:11.49 | allan8904 | hi, i've got a wireless hotspot setup (running debian lenny) and i was wondering if there was anything i could install to limit the bandwidth usage for each connected user? |
| 01:11.50 | r15 | i added another repository? |
| 01:11.55 | jordanm | r15: are you running ubuntu? |
| 01:12.01 | r15 | no |
| 01:12.13 | r15 | it was lenny |
| 01:12.13 | jordanm | r15: then yes, mixing distros is a good way to toast a system |
| 01:12.21 | r15 | ohh |
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| 01:12.30 | jordanm | r15: if you have a backup, I would restore from it |
| 01:12.47 | r15 | jordanm: so is that the reason i lost my os? |
| 01:13.20 | jordanm | r15: I couldn't say for sure, but it is *very* likely |
| 01:13.33 | r15 | i am in trouble then as i did the same thing on some other system then, |
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| 01:13.52 | jordanm | r15: you might be ok, as long as you have not upgraded yet |
| 01:13.56 | r15 | i am going to remove those lines from apt.conf before someone updates |
| 01:14.09 | r15 | that is a server. |
| 01:14.21 | jordanm | r15: ehh, repos go in /etc/apt/sources.list, not apt.conf |
| 01:14.33 | r15 | jordanm: on my laptop i had message that packages available to upgrade. |
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| 01:14.54 | r15 | yes apology it was /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:15.07 | rdw200169 | allan8904: reluctantly, this is a popular question with no quick/easy answer... there are just too many ways to do it (much, as i am sure, is to your surprise)... i was discussing this today with a peer, actually, at DebConf |
| 01:15.31 | jordanm | r15: best practices: *never mix distros *never mix releases |
| 01:16.10 | r15 | ok, i am quickly going to remove new entries from /etc/apt/sources.list on server, before i get fu**edup. |
| 01:16.14 | r15 | one more thing, |
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| 01:16.21 | r15 | i did apt-get update too |
| 01:16.30 | allan8904 | rdw200169: could you point me in the right direction? |
| 01:16.38 | jordanm | update is fine, just run update again after you remove |
| 01:16.44 | jordanm | upgrade is what will kill you |
| 01:17.10 | r15 | ok, apt-get update, after removing new entries from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:17.23 | r15 | am i right? |
| 01:17.29 | jordanm | yes |
| 01:17.33 | jordanm | !tell r15 about why aptitude |
| 01:17.34 | r15 | Thanks a lot, |
| 01:17.40 | jordanm | r15: anytime :) |
| 01:18.34 | r15 | i have to reboot to connect to vpn and revert back entries from server., i will try to fix my laptop later, thanks a lot jordanm. |
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| 01:21.06 | rdw200169 | allan8904: of course! well, let me suggest, just for knowledge/background that you read a little on LARTC: http://lartc.org ; there are also some scripts that may help, namely wondershaper and/or shaperd in the debian repos, but i find that they never do *quite* what you want; you can also read this: http://svana.org/kleptog/Packet-Shaping-HOWTO.html ; |
| 01:21.46 | allan8904 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.57 | allan8904 | rdw200169: Thankyou so much for your help, i'll start reading :p |
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| 01:24.43 | rdw200169 | allan8904: its also possible to do traffic shaping in shorewall, i.e. http://www.shorewall.net/traffic_shaping.htm but doing it through shorewall configs may prove to be more difficult than just doing it manually (at least thats what i think) |
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| 01:25.40 | allan8904 | rdw200169: ok i'll take a look into that as well, i'm just reading up about lart :p |
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| 01:26.26 | nibby | Hey, I'm having issues installing my NVIDIA driver |
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| 01:26.46 | rdw200169 | allan8904: if you want to write your own tc config, you will find that the tc stuff only refers to the basic syntax, but not a whole lot. if you google, though, the individual disc's, like HTB http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/htb/ , you will find a lot more information about how it works |
| 01:26.52 | jordanm | nibby: what version of debian, which card, and what is the problem? |
| 01:26.54 | nibby | got debian 2.2.36-2-amd64 |
| 01:26.59 | nibby | GTS250 |
| 01:27.20 | jordanm | nibby: do you mean .26? |
| 01:27.25 | nibby | Yeah, sorry. |
| 01:27.27 | nibby | My bad. |
| 01:27.56 | jordanm | nibby: unfortunately, that is a about the worse combo... |
| 01:28.00 | rdw200169 | allan8904: so, basically, refer to the lartc manual for the command syntax, then refer to the qdisc's individual development areas for more information on specific implementation. this also helps facilitate understanding... all this stuff about traffic shaping can get pretty hairy! |
| 01:28.04 | nibby | What?! |
| 01:28.22 | nibby | you mean i can't install my GTS250 in debian? |
| 01:28.22 | jordanm | nibby: the nvidia drivers in lenny do not support the card. it is possible to backport a driver from snapshots, but the build will fail on amd64 |
| 01:28.33 | nibby | Aw, damn, |
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| 01:28.47 | jordanm | nibby: I don't recommend this *hardly ever*, but upgrade to squeeze if you want to 3d acceleration |
| 01:29.08 | allan8904 | rdw200169: hmm ok, the only issue was that i was looking for something that would allow me to distribute traffic evenly between machines on the server itself, because people are able to connect with their own laptops, phones, etc so it would need to be a server side thing |
| 01:29.09 | nibby | argh |
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| 01:30.01 | jordanm | nibby: I run i386 w/ bigmem kernel so I can backport the nvidia driver with my GTX260, which is another option. it could be difficult if you are an inexperienced user though |
| 01:30.21 | nibby | I'm not too experienced |
| 01:30.23 | rdw200169 | allan8904: i get it, you're looking for load balancing of web traffic to webservers or something |
| 01:30.40 | nibby | I had installed an 8400GS with the module easily before |
| 01:30.58 | jordanm | nibby: yes, its > 9000 series not supported in lenny |
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| 01:32.40 | rdw200169 | allan8904: you could also look into Linux Virtual Server; it provides Load balancing for multiple servers, check http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ |
| 01:33.06 | nibby | jordanm: So what should I do about my video driver? |
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| 01:35.42 | jordanm | nibby: you have the following options: a) switch to i386 and backport the drivers b) upgrade to squeeze c) live with nv and no 3d acceleration |
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| 01:36.08 | nibby | This is a bummer. |
| 01:36.23 | nibby | Do you know if I can use my card with 64-bit Fedora? |
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| 01:37.45 | exaboy | im running debian on OpenVZ are there issues with the kernel setting of shmmax and shmall. it appears that something is awray! |
| 01:40.25 | jordanm | hes gone... fedora will very likely work... |
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| 01:42.15 | allan8904 | rdw200169: I just had a look at the virtual server its not what i was looking for |
| 01:42.53 | thewanderer1 | I'm getting a "eth0: Link is not ready" message with Intel GbE on my laptop. I can't initialize the NIC with e1000e driver! |
| 01:43.12 | twiggz | i am loving my arpnetworks vps. |
| 01:43.19 | thewanderer1 | However, if I boot with a cable plugged in, the NIC is brought up and works |
| 01:44.05 | thewanderer1 | and yet it seemed to work when connected directly to a router, not through a switch (I was using another cable, too) |
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| 01:45.05 | thewanderer1 | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 01:47.36 | jordanm | thewanderer1: what kernel? |
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| 01:48.52 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: 2.6.35-rc5 from packages |
| 01:49.20 | jordanm | thewanderer1: are you using network-manager? |
| 01:49.34 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 01:50.16 | jordanm | thewanderer1: try without it |
| 01:50.33 | thewanderer1 | alright, turning it off |
| 01:50.48 | thewanderer1 | has no wifi for a moment |
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| 01:52.38 | thewanderer11 | alright, back online. it's not possible for me to even ping anything after doing ifconfig on the interface |
| 01:52.53 | thewanderer11 | the NIC's LED won't go on |
| 01:53.43 | thewanderer11 | I'll go and check this with the router and with the switch, connecting with a straight cable (different than the current one) to some ports |
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| 01:57.27 | thewanderer1 | well, plugging the cable in doesn't seem to make a difference - no traces of it in the dmesg, the LED on the router and on the laptop are both off |
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| 01:59.16 | jordanm | thewanderer1: sorry, the internet at the hostel went out and I had to have them reboot the router |
| 01:59.37 | jordanm | thewanderer1: are you sure the NIC functions? |
| 01:59.57 | jordanm | I don't think the driver is needed for the NIC lights to come on |
| 02:00.02 | thewanderer1 | when I reboot the laptop with the cable plugged in, it works like a charm |
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| 02:00.21 | jordanm | thewanderer1: so the issue is just with hotplugging? |
| 02:00.24 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 02:01.02 | jordanm | thewanderer1: not sure.. sounds like it might be a bug |
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| 02:01.17 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I would give it a try with the .32 debian kernel |
| 02:01.23 | thewanderer1 | alright |
| 02:01.30 | thewanderer1 | let me get that |
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| 02:02.10 | r15 | ok, restarted the netinstall on laptop. |
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| 02:03.04 | r15 | on server i had correct entries, that was ubuntu and added repositories were pointing to ubuntu, still i commented out those entries. |
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| 02:03.27 | thewanderer1 | alright. on kernel 2.6.32, I'm feeling like at a disco, all LEDs are flashing and the NIC is working like a charm after I connect it after boot |
| 02:03.57 | jordanm | thewanderer1: does that translate to: resolves the issue? :p |
| 02:04.10 | r15 | after waking up should get fresh lenny on laptop again. learned a lesson, will be more careful. |
| 02:04.12 | thewanderer1 | well, this sounds like a regression to me :P |
| 02:04.37 | thewanderer1 | besides, downgrading 3 minor versions is not very pleasant |
| 02:04.38 | jordanm | thewanderer1: yes, I hope your kernel is not tainted, or you will not get far with a upstream bug report :) |
| 02:04.45 | thewanderer1 | tainted as with what? |
| 02:04.49 | thewanderer1 | how do I check? |
| 02:05.03 | jordanm | thewanderer1: proprietary binary modules, eg. nvidia |
| 02:05.45 | thewanderer1 | should I be able to see it in dmesg by grepping for "taint"? |
| 02:05.52 | thewanderer1 | if yes, then no :P |
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| 02:06.33 | thewanderer1 | I'll check with 2.6.34 |
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| 02:06.56 | jordanm | I know "reportbug" in debian reports it... I recall reading manual instructions on lkml.org |
| 02:07.21 | xuser | !versions kernel |
| 02:07.41 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 02:07.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 02:08.04 | zuzu3 | hi anyone there |
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| 02:08.29 | jordanm | thewanderer1: if your .35 was the package from experimental, reportbug will tell if your kernel is tainted |
| 02:08.43 | jordanm | zuzu3: no |
| 02:08.49 | thewanderer1 | now this is actually interesting. I booted into 2.6.35-rc5 (yeah, I wasn't supposed to), plugged in the cable 10 seconds after booting, and it goes up |
| 02:09.04 | thewanderer1 | that was before the WiFi went up, though |
| 02:09.13 | thewanderer1 | I'm starting to suspect something called n-m :P |
| 02:09.19 | thewanderer1 | reboots |
| 02:09.23 | jordanm | network-mangler |
| 02:09.23 | zuzu3 | i m not very good user of linux . i want to install debian. and i just wanna know . does debian needs manuel driver instalition??? |
| 02:09.53 | jordanm | zuzu3: no, almost everything that will work, works without any kind of driver installation |
| 02:09.58 | xuser | zuzu3: install ubuntu |
| 02:10.15 | jordanm | xuser: are you here to troll? |
| 02:10.24 | zuzu3 | xuser: i did . even i installed 3 times ubuntu today |
| 02:10.37 | jordanm | zuzu3: in some cases, for newer hardware, you might need a newer kernel from lenny-backports |
| 02:10.52 | xuser | jordanm: what happened? |
| 02:10.56 | zuzu3 | i got g4 mac |
| 02:11.02 | xuser | errm I mean zuzu3 |
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| 02:11.13 | jordanm | zuzu3: is that PPC? |
| 02:11.13 | xuser | zuzu3: what happened? |
| 02:11.17 | zuzu3 | yes |
| 02:11.18 | thewanderer1 | alright now, this is non-deterministic. I hate this. |
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| 02:11.55 | thewanderer1 | or I'm missing something - perhaps a cold reboot. |
| 02:12.16 | zuzu3 | xuser: ubuntu says main script halted. and froze |
| 02:12.25 | jordanm | zuzu3: well, you won't get very far with ubuntu since they no longer support PPC |
| 02:12.51 | jordanm | anways, this is not the place for ubuntu support |
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| 02:13.22 | zuzu3 | jordanm: i know . |
| 02:13.30 | xuser | zuzu3: yeah ubuntu doesn't support ppc, install debian :P |
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| 02:13.40 | zuzu3 | xuser: lol |
| 02:14.03 | thewanderer1 | okay mr. Intel Gigabit NIC, you've won for today. I have no explanation for this and I'm giving up for now :P |
| 02:14.06 | Angstrom_ | ss |
| 02:14.20 | thewanderer1 | (a cold boot couldn't reproduce the error) |
| 02:14.20 | jordanm | thewanderer1: inconsistant behavior is the most difficult to troubleshoot |
| 02:14.24 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 02:14.49 | thewanderer1 | I'll certainly be checking up on this after long uptimes |
| 02:14.53 | zuzu3 | jordanm,xuser : i started to download debian |
| 02:15.08 | xuser | zuzu3: what are you downloading? |
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| 02:15.22 | zuzu3 | debian ppc |
| 02:15.27 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's the same error as with my fingerprint reader that would disconnect from the motherboard and I had to press it against the frame :P |
| 02:15.32 | zuzu3 | xuser: stable |
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| 02:18.57 | allan8904 | If i have users connected to my wireless hotspot machine, is there a way to track how much data they are using? currently i'm only tracking time |
| 02:19.28 | jordanm | allan8904: ntop |
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| 02:21.34 | allan8904 | jordanm: woah, that looks like exactly what i'm after, thanks |
| 02:23.01 | jordanm | allan8904: I am actually working on packaging the new 4.0 version, which is quite an improvment |
| 02:23.16 | allan8904 | sweet |
| 02:23.31 | jordanm | but the upstream build system is a mess, so its a bit more work than I anticipated... |
| 02:23.38 | allan8904 | jordanm: hopefully this version can do everything i'm after :) |
| 02:23.50 | allan8904 | brb gonna reboot and check it out |
| 02:25.35 | jordanm | doesn't require a reboot? |
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| 02:43.28 | allan8904 | jordanm: where about does nmap log to? (in a human readable form) |
| 02:43.35 | allan8904 | *ntop not nmap sorry |
| 02:43.52 | JairunCaloth | Is there a good tool that lets me quickly identify differences between two files? |
| 02:44.07 | JairunCaloth | other then diff |
| 02:44.18 | allan8904 | kompare?:p |
| 02:44.29 | JairunCaloth | that doesn't require kde libs :-p |
| 02:45.34 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to run FreeWRL plugin in Firefox, but when it runs, it always appears as a black box in the upper left most corner of the screen instead of being in the browser itself |
| 02:45.37 | Angstrom_ | How do I stop it from happening or what is a better VRML plugin for Firefox? |
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| 02:53.49 | krisfremen | , versions lighttpd |
| 02:53.51 | judd | lighttpd -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; sid: 1.4.26-3; squeeze: 1.4.26-3 |
| 02:54.50 | Arrowmaster | JairunCaloth: maybe if you state why diff isnt acceptable somebody might know something that does what you want |
| 02:55.42 | gewt | lol |
| 02:55.43 | JairunCaloth | I find diff impossible to read |
| 02:55.51 | JairunCaloth | anywho, I found vimdiff and am very happy now |
| 02:56.08 | Arrowmaster | ah, have you tried diff -u |
| 02:56.20 | Arrowmaster | which is probably exactly what vimdiff is using |
| 02:56.55 | Arrowmaster | i dont think anybody seriously uses anything but the diff -u output from diff |
| 02:57.53 | JairunCaloth | yeah, still greek and not fun for large files |
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| 02:59.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah one of the side by side diff viewers is nice for really looking over large changes in large files |
| 02:59.19 | JairunCaloth | yeah. Tried sdiff which wasn't bad |
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| 03:00.41 | JairunCaloth | vimdiff's highlighting is nice |
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| 03:01.38 | Dewi | Arrowmaster / JairunCaloth : I use kdiff3 very extensively |
| 03:01.48 | Dewi | by far the most powerful opensource one |
| 03:01.56 | Dewi | (tho admittedly not the prettiest) |
| 03:03.00 | Dewi | but yeah vim does a decent job especially for viewing patch files |
| 03:03.27 | JairunCaloth | just comparing a couple kernel configs |
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| 03:04.31 | Dewi | years ago I had a perl script that would rebuild left & right from a universal diff, so I could view in kdiff3. :P need to start using that again... |
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| 03:13.31 | Dewi | hey guys, is there a way debian can notify me when security updates are available? |
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| 03:14.46 | mmnicolas | Dewi: there is update-notifier for gnome |
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| 03:14.50 | mmnicolas | and kde |
| 03:15.21 | Dewi | mmnicolas: yeah, I run servers tho |
| 03:15.28 | mmnicolas | or you could setup a cron job to check once in a while and send you an email about it |
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| 03:15.57 | Dewi | mmnicolas: I could. You'd think it'd already exist tho |
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| 03:16.32 | mmnicolas | i wouldnt bother searching for it when it is so easy to make |
| 03:16.47 | mmnicolas | easy if you have a local MTA |
| 03:16.51 | Dewi | okay I should have just googled: cron-apt |
| 03:17.10 | mmnicolas | this wont advise you |
| 03:17.58 | mmnicolas | oh it could |
| 03:18.20 | mmnicolas | you will have to do pretty much the same job you would have done just using cron and a script |
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| 03:20.58 | mmnicolas | you're better off just subscribing to the debian-security-announce mailing list |
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| 03:23.29 | Dewi | mmnicolas: That's actually my reason for asking; that mailing list is spammy and I'd rather only get updates that affect me |
| 03:24.28 | Dewi | mmnicolas: I've probably gotten 5000 messages from it in the 5 years I've been subscribed... |
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| 03:28.38 | mmnicolas | ok then, a cron job with aptitude update ; aptitude -s dist-upgarde > mail -s "$HOSTNAME Updates" admin@blabla.org |
| 03:28.41 | mmnicolas | something like that |
| 03:30.41 | jordanm | allan8904: stdout |
| 03:31.39 | allan8904 | jordanm: thanks |
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| 03:36.07 | lokus | can anyone help me with what my sources.list should look like on lenny? trying to get build-essential installed but it doesnt have anythin |
| 03:36.45 | jordanm | lokus: build-essential is just a virtual package that pulls in others |
| 03:36.56 | Dewi | lokus: should come from first line, deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 03:37.02 | jordanm | lokus: are you saying build-essentials is not available, or does not pull the package you expect? |
| 03:37.19 | Dewi | lokus: er note that's an australian mirror, you probably want a different one |
| 03:37.24 | lokus | Package build-essential is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:37.46 | Dewi | lokus: do you need an 'aptitude update' ? |
| 03:37.47 | lokus | essential & essentials dont work, whatever it is. anyways it doesnt recommend anotehr package or anything |
| 03:37.54 | jordanm | lokus: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 03:37.58 | lokus | Dewialready tried |
| 03:38.03 | lokus | 5.0.2 |
| 03:38.12 | jordanm | lokus: you are terribly out of date |
| 03:38.24 | lokus | so.... /msg dpkg 5.0.5? |
| 03:38.43 | jordanm | lokus: no, point releases do not require anything special, just aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 03:38.56 | jordanm | in theory, because of how minor the changes are, there will not be any regressions |
| 03:39.15 | jordanm | they are mostly security updates |
| 03:39.26 | lokus | still 5.0.2 after aptitude update and upgrade |
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| 03:40.20 | lokus | W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead. |
| 03:40.29 | lokus | meh didnt matter |
| 03:41.20 | Dewi | lokus: it's starting to sound like you're on a deprecated mirror |
| 03:41.26 | Dewi | lokus: that hasn't been keeping up to date |
| 03:41.42 | lokus | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib & deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib |
| 03:41.44 | lokus | are my lines |
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| 03:44.28 | mmnicolas | or maybe you just didnt run aptitude update before |
| 03:44.38 | lokus | as i said, i did |
| 03:45.45 | mmnicolas | wait |
| 03:45.53 | mmnicolas | these are your only two lines ? |
| 03:46.17 | lokus | and a couple deb-src lines.. i think the problem has to do with it being volatile |
| 03:46.27 | mmnicolas | no, you're missing the main line :P |
| 03:46.30 | lokus | i have bad mirrors/repos it looks.. |
| 03:46.35 | lokus | hmm.. |
| 03:47.02 | mmnicolas | deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/ lenny main |
| 03:47.07 | mmnicolas | or another mirror |
| 03:47.15 | lokus | ty |
| 03:47.25 | lokus | should i be removing the volatile ones? |
| 03:47.29 | mmnicolas | no |
| 03:47.32 | lokus | k |
| 03:47.50 | mmnicolas | i guess you will want contrib and non-free after main |
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| 03:50.18 | lokus | has anyone played with grsec in 5.0.5 def. kernel? |
| 03:50.18 | mmnicolas | lokus: does it work? |
| 03:50.24 | lokus | its upgrading, just a sec |
| 03:51.09 | lokus | 5.0.5 =) |
| 03:51.18 | lokus | and build-essential looks good now |
| 03:51.31 | mmnicolas | but no grsec for me sorry |
| 03:51.49 | lokus | cool, thanks for help |
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| 04:34.57 | NoCode | What's that command to show what the distro is? |
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| 04:35.13 | NoCode | I remember there was a command that stated, "testing/sid" |
| 04:35.15 | jordanm | !version |
| 04:35.15 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 04:35.23 | NoCode | in the bash terminal |
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| 04:54.50 | ehc | I want to download a file with wget, but the filename of the downloaded file is different from what it is when I download it with my browser. Can I tell wget what to save the downlaoded file as? |
| 04:56.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ehc: the file would be a http://some.domain.tld/file and you can call it what you like when saving it |
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| 04:59.31 | ehc | jpinx-eeepc: I found it: the -O option |
| 04:59.44 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
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| 05:05.28 | ngomes__ | does anyone run dual monitor with 2 separate X sessions ? |
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| 05:07.17 | oznt | hi everyone, is someone here using matplotlib ? i can't use any of my python script which contain "from pylab import *", i wanted to ask if I'm the only one ... |
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| 05:13.13 | ehc | with tar how can I change the name of the directory where the files are extracted to? I can't find it in the man page |
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| 05:16.19 | gnarface | ehc: -C |
| 05:16.30 | gnarface | ehc: (or just change to that directory before you extract) |
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| 05:17.56 | prince_jammys | ''man less'' too maybe ;) |
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| 05:21.33 | ehc | gnarface: thanks, -C seems to only do something if the directory exists, it won't create it. |
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| 05:24.40 | BadMrsFrosty | Is this the most suitable place to get (very simple) help related to Flex++? There seems not to be a dedicated Flex channel. |
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| 05:25.14 | BadMrsFrosty | Basically I just need to install it. The page says it is part of the package but I just built the package and there is no flex++.exe. I've had it before. |
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| 05:26.29 | BadMrsFrosty | THere is one in GnuWin32, but I want to build the latest version. That version seems very old. |
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| 05:31.49 | xxtjaxx | BadMrsFrosty: maybe you forgott smthing when ./configure.exe was run? -- |
| 05:32.06 | BadMrsFrosty | The INSTALL file doesn't mention anything about it. |
| 05:35.56 | BadMrsFrosty | Technically this page makes no mention of it either: http://flex.sourceforge.net/ But this one says clearly it should be there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flex%2B%2B |
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| 05:46.07 | oznt | hi guys, i need some urgent help with python and debian |
| 05:46.31 | oznt | something went wrong in my system regarding python-matplotlib, can someone help me ? |
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| 06:01.11 | oznt | i somehow managed to find out my problem is wider - and when I do "import pkg_resources" in the python terminal i get: |
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| 06:01.20 | oznt | ValueError: bad marshal data |
| 06:01.32 | oznt | if anyone sees the same error I will be happy to know |
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| 06:09.47 | aPpYe | where can I see a list of the actual software that is installed at the software selection screen during a default installation, particularly "Desktop environment" and "Laptop" ... |
| 06:10.20 | aPpYe | I essentially want to build a barebones system and then pick and choose the items I want out of these two items... |
| 06:11.40 | prince_jammys | one way is with aptitude's text UI, ''aptitude'' and browse 'Tasks' |
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| 06:14.01 | prince_jammys | you'll see deceptively few packages, but these have a ton of dependencies. |
| 06:14.37 | prince_jammys | s/have/may have/ |
| 06:14.53 | _Dave123_ | can anyone recommend me a good vnc tool for debian? so i can remotely work on it (eg. installing vm's etc) |
| 06:14.58 | aPpYe | prince_jammys: well, that is what I am after actually, the deceptively few packages list, I would rather dependencies not be included in the list. So I guess I need to actually install the systme first? |
| 06:15.21 | aPpYe | once I am installed, how do I "browse tasks" in aptitude? |
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| 06:16.17 | prince_jammys | just hit the down arrow to 'Tasks', and hit Enter to "open" the branches. It'll be obvious. |
| 06:16.53 | prince_jammys | it's Tasks->End-user->Laptop , for example. Both that you mentioned are under 'End-user' |
| 06:18.15 | aPpYe | prince_jammys: okay, so this cannot be done from the installer itself then right? I will run the installation and then report back if I have questions. |
| 06:18.40 | prince_jammys | the approach i'm mentioned can be done as soon as aptitude is installed. |
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| 06:19.02 | aPpYe | so aptitude has some kind of ncurses interface as well? Not just cli? |
| 06:19.14 | prince_jammys | i don't know what other ways there are. I suspect you can browse these packages at debian's site. |
| 06:19.20 | prince_jammys | *website |
| 06:19.46 | prince_jammys | aPpYe: yes. you can reach it by just typing 'aptitude' (root not necessary for browsing) |
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| 06:20.27 | prince_jammys | i suggest searching debian's website for 'tasks', if you want to do this ahead of time. |
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| 06:20.49 | prince_jammys | 'tasks' is the magic word here. |
| 06:22.00 | aPpYe | gotcha |
| 06:22.04 | aPpYe | thanks |
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| 06:22.18 | prince_jammys | welcome |
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| 06:29.43 | aPpYe | nevermind |
| 06:29.45 | aPpYe | found it. |
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| 07:52.13 | _Dave123_ | i have a new dedicated server, with X installed, and tight vnc server running. However, the keyboard layout is very strange, almost get no normal char when I type.. How could I fix this possibly? |
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| 08:33.33 | _Dave123_ | Noone here ever used (tight) VNC Server for debian? |
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| 08:36.12 | Dewi | _Dave123_: yeah, but no keyboard layout issues |
| 08:36.34 | jakityjak | default install of debian on the freerunner doesn't include /usr/sbin etc., in the root PATH. is this normal? i used the command "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin" to add to root. is that the correct procedure? also, would i need to do the same for my own user account that i've created or by issuing the the "export PATH..." command under root, does that sort things for all user accounts? |
| 08:36.43 | Dewi | _Dave123_: using any locales other than en_US UTF-8 ? |
| 08:37.42 | _Dave123_ | Dewi: I don't know, its a russian server |
| 08:37.46 | _Dave123_ | how can I change this to that ? |
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| 08:38.57 | petemc | jakityjak: it has sbin in roots path here - how did you install ? |
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| 08:39.50 | _Dave123_ | Are there any other GOOD tools for Debian VNC apart from Tightvnc ? |
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| 08:44.19 | andol | Anywhere I can find Debian 5.0.4 (or older) ISO:s? Would be useful for a few upgrade procedure tests I need to run. |
| 08:45.10 | petemc | cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive |
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| 08:46.30 | andol | petemc: just was I was hoping to find, thanks! |
| 08:46.39 | petemc | np |
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| 08:48.14 | andol | Well, at least I thought so anyway :) Seems to be mostly netinstall and businesscard iso:s? |
| 08:48.39 | jakityjak | is it ok to add /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin to roots path? |
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| 08:49.30 | petemc | e# echo $PATH |
| 08:49.31 | petemc | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 08:49.49 | petemc | andol: it has the full cds for some releases there |
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| 08:50.16 | petemc | jakityjak: you ignored my previous question |
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| 08:51.09 | jakityjak | petemc: oops apologies... missed that. |
| 08:51.38 | jakityjak | petemc: i've actually installed debian on my openmoko freerunner. |
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| 08:52.31 | jakityjak | petemc: i followed the guide found here; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner#Installing |
| 08:53.14 | petemc | jakityjak: oh, right - well you should be fine to change the path, it normally includes them by default anyway |
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| 08:55.01 | jakityjak | petemc: ah, great. thanks. issuing the command, "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin" is the correct way i presume? do i need to issue the same command for each my own user account or do i only need to do this under root? |
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| 09:00.41 | speed | hey, guys any idea how can i install libgmp3c2, apt-get install libgmp3c2 gives me this error: Package libgmp3c2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 09:01.20 | speed | how can i check which package? |
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| 09:02.54 | andol | petemc: Well, solved itself by finding a .torrent suffecient alive. |
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| 09:22.06 | petemc | andol: good job |
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| 09:22.24 | petemc | jakityjak: in normal installations the sbin folders are only in roots path |
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| 09:24.08 | Dakylla | hi there |
| 09:24.23 | Dakylla | how can i define my make default options please |
| 09:24.43 | Dakylla | do i have to use env variables ? |
| 09:25.16 | jayeola | hey chaps. is there an equivalent of `rpm -ql` to list the files associated with a package? `dpkg --list blah.deb` ? |
| 09:25.23 | jakityjak | petemc: thanks |
| 09:25.54 | llimeht | jakityjak: dpkg -L package ; apt-file show package. |
| 09:26.01 | petemc | jayeola: dpkg -L for installed, apt-file for packages not installed |
| 09:26.07 | petemc | im too slow |
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| 09:26.19 | llimeht | petemc: you at least hit the right nick though! |
| 09:26.24 | petemc | :) |
| 09:26.49 | jayeola | dpkg -L vim works! ty! |
| 09:26.49 | dpkg | ii vim works! ty! 2.3-3.2 jayeola's private porn collection |
| 09:26.57 | jayeola | heh |
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| 09:29.06 | brammator | is there ppa: for it? |
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| 09:35.24 | pif | anyone else have a sefault with "screen -D -m" ? |
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| 09:38.27 | nsadmin | pif, if that's really your question, /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:39.05 | nsadmin | if instead, your purpose is to get help with what you perceive as a problem, /msg dpkg ask |
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| 09:40.43 | pif | nsadmin: I already reported a bug, just want to know if I'm not the only one |
| 09:41.09 | nsadmin | oh, then you would -search- the bts |
| 09:41.31 | pif | which I did of course |
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| 09:41.47 | nsadmin | what did you find? |
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| 09:42.25 | pif | I just said I submitted the bug |
| 09:42.42 | pif | so that should give you hint |
| 09:43.12 | pif | your point being? |
| 09:43.15 | nsadmin | and you as well... |
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| 09:45.08 | pif | boggle at the recurring assholes on each irc channel who think their job is to pick appart each query instead of contributing an answer |
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| 09:51.19 | jelly | pif: we get a lot of people who ask around their issue instead of stating it clearly |
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| 09:56.11 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all ! |
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| 10:00.54 | samael | hello |
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| 10:04.58 | samael | shiny new vaio VPCS12X9E, debian sid, stock 2.6.32.5-amd64 kernel, no touchpad in /proc/bus/input/devices (and therefore it does not work at all). any known issue yet? with a quick tour on the net it seems not, at leat not recently |
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| 10:12.31 | voxio | how does apache bind to port 80 when running as www-data? I thought only uid 0 could bind to ports below 1024 ? |
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| 10:14.11 | simonrvn | it binds then drops privs for the children. you'll note there's a parent uid 0 running. |
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| 10:28.27 | swart | ghfhdthfdhedhdhd |
| 10:28.41 | au | whetluiwt |
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| 10:30.19 | voxio | thanks simonrvn |
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| 10:42.00 | ix | Is there an installer which allows me to install testing but still uses a reasonably fresh kernel? (preferrably 2.6.34 or above) |
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| 10:44.07 | stoli | Why not roll your own kernel? |
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| 10:45.37 | themill | ix: do you actually need the newer kernel for installation or is installing it afterwards sufficient? |
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| 10:48.04 | raz | hmm |
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| 10:49.12 | raz | in netstat -nlpt i see something listening on 0.0.0.0:39713 but no pid. lsof -Pni | grep 39713 does not show anything. i think this listener may be related to nfs, but how can i make sure? |
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| 10:49.48 | thewanderer1 | raz: fuser -n tcp 39713 |
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| 10:50.05 | raz | hmm what pkg is fuser in? |
| 10:50.24 | thewanderer1 | psmisc |
| 10:50.38 | raz | not output for that command either |
| 10:50.40 | thewanderer1 | and yeah, it needs root privs to detect all ports |
| 10:50.42 | thewanderer1 | well |
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| 10:51.00 | raz | i'm doing all this as root ) |
| 10:51.01 | raz | :) |
| 10:52.16 | thewanderer1 | then it must be the kernel |
| 10:52.45 | raz | damn that sneaky dude! |
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| 10:53.53 | ix | themill: well, I had some issues running 2.6.30-something in regards to both the wireless and wired NIC (from an USB installation I have here), and was wondering whether the network install would work even if it had an older kernel |
| 10:54.21 | themill | ix: there's no need to reinstall just to change the kernel package |
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| 10:55.25 | ix | So I decided to see if I could find an installer with a newer kernel (i.e. in the installer itself) before I tried the netinstall-thingie I have here |
| 10:56.12 | ix | themill: Yeah, but that was run from my USB drive. I need to install testing onto my fresh SSD drive. :-) |
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| 10:58.02 | soman | Hi, What could cause file creation permission denied from mysql (outfile) on debian ? |
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| 11:04.47 | thewanderer1 | ix: export ARCH=amd64; export SSD=/dev/ssd; export ROOTPART=/dev/ssd1; cfdisk $SSD; mkfs.ext4 $ROOTPART; mount $ROOTPART /mnt/ssd; debootstrap squeeze /mnt/ssd http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian && mount -o bind -t none /dev /mnt/ssd/dev && mount -t proc proc /mnt/ssd/proc && chroot /mnt/ssd -- sh -c "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-$ARCH udev grub-pc bzip2 less dhclient3 nano && update-initramfs -k all -u && update-grub && nano /boot/gru |
| 11:05.05 | thewanderer1 | woot woot, the server doesn't like me |
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| 11:06.06 | stoli | That's an awesome command line. |
| 11:06.09 | ix | haha, nice oneliner. |
| 11:06.16 | thewanderer1 | ix: it's copied here http://pastebin.com/hbfMXCQm -- installs Debian :P |
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| 11:06.34 | thewanderer1 | haven't tested it, but it *probably* works :P |
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| 11:08.53 | ix | thewanderer1: Thanks. I'll try it after I've got one of the NICs working in the USB installation. :) |
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| 11:15.44 | thewanderer1 | why would my NFS suddendly stop working? it hangs on mount attempt, then returns "mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified" |
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| 11:17.35 | bbnix | hey somebody guide me on this. i've downloaded kernel source 2.6.35, and i am on debian lenny 64bit |
| 11:17.59 | bbnix | how can i compile this source as 64bit arch and also next steps to install it? |
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| 11:19.19 | thewanderer1 | bbnix: forums.debian.net and search in the HOWTO section - they have a nice write-up on compiling kernels The Debian Way |
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| 11:19.36 | thewanderer1 | what the... in /var/log/messages I have: "Aug 4 13:17:03 sun kernel: [39528.464401] ACPI Exception: AE_AML_INFINITE_LOOP, while evaluating GPE method [_L00] (20090903/evgpe-568)" |
| 11:20.40 | bbnix | thewanderer1: all right. but just should i use any flag to compile this source as 64bit? |
| 11:21.01 | thewanderer1 | bbnix: if you compile on amd64, then the default arch is amd64 |
| 11:21.25 | bbnix | thewanderer1: great |
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| 11:23.40 | thewanderer1 | crap, this ACPI error makes kacpid use 100% CPU |
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| 11:35.46 | thewanderer1 | hey, how do I install a BIOS update from Debian? |
| 11:35.59 | thewanderer1 | it's a headless server with a misbehaving ACPI |
| 11:36.51 | stoli | thewanderer1: Dell machines have some support for that. I don't think anyone else does. |
| 11:37.36 | petemc | often times you can use a very basic dos boot disk |
| 11:37.40 | thewanderer1 | oh well. so I'm stuck with DOS, ISO or something called "F7" |
| 11:37.46 | thewanderer1 | eh, it's a server |
| 11:37.52 | petemc | so what? |
| 11:38.18 | thewanderer1 | I'll have to go down to it, reboot it and find a way to deliver the BIOS file to it - forget about optical media |
| 11:38.37 | thewanderer1 | they have some solution for a pendrive-based update, it seems - I'll try that |
| 11:42.52 | cga | thewanderer1: ping |
| 11:43.03 | cga | if you want i wrote a script for that |
| 11:43.15 | thewanderer1 | for what? |
| 11:43.20 | cga | some time ago, it works on my laptop i see no reason why shouldn't work on server |
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| 11:43.34 | cga | dell bios update that uses dellBiosUpdate (bin from dell) |
| 11:43.36 | thewanderer1 | is it a microcode update or a BIOS update? |
| 11:43.37 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 11:43.47 | thewanderer1 | it's no Dell hardware |
| 11:43.59 | cga | oh sorry, i read Dell somewhere before |
| 11:44.02 | cga | i thought it was |
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| 11:48.39 | gnarface | thewanderer1: the machine has no optical drive? |
| 11:49.01 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 11:49.29 | gnarface | it's not an asus board by chance, is it? |
| 11:49.41 | thewanderer1 | no, Intel |
| 11:50.00 | stoli | atom? |
| 11:50.03 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 11:50.13 | thewanderer1 | the only board that exposes this ACPI bug |
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| 11:50.18 | thewanderer1 | D945GCLF2 |
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| 11:50.30 | gnarface | usb is the way to go then i guess |
| 11:50.31 | stoli | google shows much on that board re acpi |
| 11:50.38 | thewanderer1 | I don't even know if a BIOS update is gonna solve this |
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| 11:51.24 | stoli | specifically your INFINTE_LOOP |
| 11:51.28 | thewanderer1 | there seems to be a workaround proposed by Gentoo guys to disable CONFIG_PM_TRACE_RTC in the kernel that they claim fixes this problem |
| 11:51.43 | thewanderer1 | yes, specifically - kacpid consuming 100% CPU is not a pleasant thing to have |
| 11:51.48 | gnarface | is disabling acpi an option? you could just set acpi=off on the kernel command line |
| 11:52.03 | thewanderer1 | er... it sounds like a very ugly workaround |
| 11:52.12 | gnarface | acpi is a very ugly workaround |
| 11:52.23 | gnarface | but i'd flash the bios just for good measure |
| 11:52.28 | gnarface | in either case |
| 11:52.32 | thewanderer1 | the problems didn't start until yesterday when I installed a rtl8139 into PCI |
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| 11:53.30 | petemc | use another, less shite, nic |
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| 11:54.15 | thewanderer1 | how is rtl8139 supposed to break my ACPI and how would I obtain a free, firmware-less NIC? :P |
| 11:54.29 | gnarface | eh, even just trying it in another pci slot might fix the issue |
| 11:54.51 | gnarface | check the manual and see if you can figure out which slots are shared by the fewest onboard things |
| 11:54.54 | thewanderer1 | I have *one* PCI slot. |
| 11:55.00 | gnarface | ouch |
| 11:55.12 | thewanderer1 | no other slots on board |
| 11:55.32 | thewanderer1 | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14198 -- this makes me think it's a BIOS bug |
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| 11:56.31 | thewanderer1 | "From the DSDT it seems that the I/O base address for SMBus controller is 0x2000. But we can know that the 0x2000 I/O base address is used by theethernet device." great. right after installing a new ethernet card... |
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| 11:57.28 | gnarface | hmm |
| 11:57.46 | gnarface | might there be a driver option for the smbus controller or the ethernet card to change that? |
| 11:58.08 | thewanderer1 | relocating I/O base? hmm |
| 11:58.29 | gnarface | i'm really grasping at straws here |
| 11:58.51 | gnarface | what do you get from running modinfo on that ethernet driver? |
| 11:59.38 | gnarface | this thing doesn't have onboard ethernet but it's only got one pci slot? |
| 12:00.18 | thewanderer1 | it does have onboard ethernet, but I do need 2 NIC |
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| 12:01.43 | thewanderer1 | where do I find modinfo command? |
| 12:01.53 | gnarface | should be in your path if you're root |
| 12:01.55 | gnarface | it's probably in sbin |
| 12:02.12 | gnarface | yea /sbin/modinfo |
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| 12:02.22 | thewanderer1 | only 2 parms, nothing referring to base I/O |
| 12:02.33 | gnarface | eh, it was worth a try |
| 12:02.37 | gnarface | how about the smbus driver? |
| 12:02.58 | thewanderer1 | some Linux knowledge base tells me this: "Additionally, you are almost always asked for the base address of a card when you install it"... O.o |
| 12:03.12 | stoli | thewanderer1: might be worth looking at -> http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=4680 post #15 |
| 12:03.26 | petemc | is it an isa card and a 2.2 kernel? |
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| 12:04.09 | liable | yep, slackware 1.4 |
| 12:04.47 | liable | 7 floppy install! |
| 12:04.52 | thewanderer1 | my card is PCI and 2.6 kernel :P |
| 12:05.04 | thewanderer1 | thanks stoli - am I supposed to run my system with a custom DSDT? |
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| 12:05.40 | thewanderer1 | now this board is really weird |
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| 12:06.06 | thewanderer1 | I don't see any modules for SMbus that I could probe |
| 12:06.21 | stoli | Can't say, but I _think_ there's room between bios and kernel to plug workarounds from userspace -- like custom DSDTs |
| 12:07.02 | gnarface | i don't think it's a bad idea to flash the bios first to see if that magically fixes it. it often does |
| 12:07.03 | stoli | It seems a common acpi problem |
| 12:07.26 | thewanderer1 | well, it is common with these boards, everyone seems to be getting it |
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| 12:08.56 | thewanderer1 | I'm bookmarking the thread and going offline - my Atom thing is my router. I'll see if I can flash its BIOS somehow. |
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| 12:10.31 | sylar | is something wrong with zen.spamhaus.org? I get all my mail marked as spam |
| 12:11.13 | petemc | works here |
| 12:11.27 | jelly | sylar: all mail sent from your server, or to your server? |
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| 12:13.16 | sylar | jelly to myserver from others |
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| 12:13.43 | petemc | sylar: have you tested sending to yourself from gmail or some such? |
| 12:14.14 | sylar | dig 27.9.90.194.zen.spamhaus.org |
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| 12:14.29 | sylar | return an adress |
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| 12:15.37 | sylar | it should return nothing |
| 12:15.54 | petemc | it does here |
| 12:15.55 | sylar | or a code 127.* |
| 12:16.04 | jelly | sylar: it returns nothing here. |
| 12:16.08 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.11 | sylar | petmec reallá»· |
| 12:16.29 | petemc | it returns nothing, i was agreeing with your previous statement |
| 12:16.53 | sylar | for me: |
| 12:16.55 | sylar | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 12:16.56 | sylar | 27.9.90.194.zen.spamhaus.org. 14400 INA212.25.116.212 |
| 12:17.15 | petemc | have you been making a lot of calls to zen? |
| 12:17.17 | jelly | sylar: verify your DSN recursor. |
| 12:17.26 | petemc | they want you to pay if you're a large organisation |
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| 12:17.38 | jelly | er, no, dig does its own recursing |
| 12:17.42 | sylar | DSN? |
| 12:17.46 | jelly | DNS |
| 12:17.56 | sylar | We are a small business |
| 12:18.02 | petemc | busy server? |
| 12:18.04 | sylar | not a large organization |
| 12:18.18 | sylar | not really |
| 12:18.25 | sylar | just 15 people |
| 12:18.36 | sylar | manual writing |
| 12:18.44 | sylar | doing other stuff most of the time |
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| 12:18.54 | sylar | spam we get though a lot |
| 12:19.02 | jelly | that doesn't answer the question of "busy server" like mail logs and a network traffic dump would |
| 12:19.16 | sylar | ah |
| 12:19.20 | jelly | sylar: how many incoming smtp connections per second? |
| 12:19.21 | sylar | will need to check |
| 12:19.26 | petemc | grep -c "host is listed in zen" /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 12:19.27 | petemc | 493 |
| 12:19.42 | sylar | I don't know, it is a custom java mail server |
| 12:19.44 | petemc | ive moved my biggest domains to google tho |
| 12:20.20 | jelly | I might do that if they halve their pricing |
| 12:20.31 | petemc | £33 per mailbox |
| 12:20.38 | petemc | and we got.. incentives |
| 12:20.39 | jelly | 140k mailboxes |
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| 12:21.27 | petemc | get haggling |
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| 12:21.42 | jelly | "please give us 98% discount" |
| 12:21.51 | petemc | heh |
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| 12:22.09 | some1one | hi. how to check which package has given me some file on disk ? |
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| 12:22.14 | petemc | dpkg -S |
| 12:22.14 | dpkg | i don't know, petemc |
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| 12:28.05 | sylar | jelly, I have got 229 mails today |
| 12:28.25 | sylar | and that is the number of queries I did to zen |
| 12:28.49 | jelly | sylar: that's not much |
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| 12:29.13 | sylar | yes, most is spam probably |
| 12:29.37 | jelly | sylar: are you in a banana republic or a banana ISP that might tamper with dns responses? |
| 12:29.54 | sylar | no |
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| 12:30.01 | sylar | I don't know even what it means |
| 12:30.18 | gnarface | sylar: i think he's talking about china |
| 12:30.20 | jelly | sylar: which country is your server hosted in? |
| 12:30.30 | jelly | gnarface: it needn't be only china |
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| 12:33.59 | sylar | it seems like the question resolves to the ip of my isp |
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| 12:40.09 | thewanderer1 | can DSDT contain malware? |
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| 12:41.21 | gnarface | as far as i'm concerned that shit IS malware |
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| 12:44.23 | ix | Hm. Why is there a mismatch between the kernel version and installer in the 6.0 alpha 1-release? |
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| 12:45.14 | ix | I tried using boot.img.gz and the netinst ISO from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, but the installer won't load any modules. |
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| 12:46.33 | gnarface | ix: if i were you i'd install the stable installer and then just upgrade |
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| 12:46.58 | ix | from within the installer or afterwards? |
| 12:47.04 | ix | I mean, after installing the OS |
| 12:47.07 | gnarface | afterwards |
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| 12:47.14 | jordanm | ix: upgrade after installing stable |
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| 12:47.30 | jordanm | there is a lot of working going into the new d-i for squeeze currently, I would not count on it |
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| 12:47.40 | ix | ah. |
| 12:48.02 | ix | Usually this is a breeze, but this Thinkpad X201s seems a bit too fresh. |
| 12:48.03 | ix | :-) |
| 12:48.18 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 12:48.19 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 12:48.41 | rical | when running firefox -no-remote from a server that I'm connected to via ssh -Y myserver, all web trafic is encrypted in a ssh tunnel untill ut reaches myserver? (is this correct) ? |
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| 12:49.52 | gnarface | rical: yes, i'm pretty sure |
| 12:49.59 | gnarface | what does -no-remote do? |
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| 12:55.43 | jelly | makes the command not merely open another window of the already running Firefox on the same X server, but run a new instance |
| 12:56.08 | thewanderer1 | how am I supposed to share files over NFS if my kernel doesn't support nfs-kernel-server? it's OpenVZ 2.6.32 |
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| 12:56.48 | rical | thewanderer1: there is a userspace alternative |
| 12:56.51 | thewanderer1 | crap, I have to recompile the kernel |
| 12:57.06 | thewanderer1 | userspace alternatives don't support locking and I use NFS for nfsroot |
| 12:57.24 | sylar | I have load 8 on a quad core |
| 12:57.49 | rical | jelly: can you confirm that the web trafic is encrypted inside the ssh tunnel? |
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| 12:58.48 | orioni | which shell doesnt have a history of commands ? |
| 12:58.56 | jelly | rical: all traffic is encrypted via ssh, yes |
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| 12:59.22 | thewanderer1 | I can't find the OpenVZ patch in Debian repos |
| 12:59.25 | jelly | orioni: of those that do, most can be configured not to keep it |
| 12:59.36 | jelly | orioni: why do you ask? |
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| 12:59.57 | orioni | dont wanan keep history of commands |
| 13:00.06 | orioni | where can i disable i.e for bash ? |
| 13:00.19 | jelly | orioni: you'll have to RTFM to find that out. |
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| 13:00.34 | orioni | ;) |
| 13:01.27 | jelly | take notice of all the variables starting with HIST |
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| 13:02.30 | thewanderer1 | "Since kernel 2.6.29 the patch is now included in Debian kernel source." - from OpenVZ wiki. where is the OpenVZ patch in Debian kernel source? |
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| 13:02.43 | rical | jelly: if I only use ssh and then firefox in sted of ssh -Y, is the trafic still encrypted but the X11 is the localhost default? |
| 13:03.03 | sylar | is there a top for hd? |
| 13:03.06 | AndroUser | any idea when the new nvidia-glx will make it into sid/exp? |
| 13:03.09 | AndroUser | ir where i can find out... |
| 13:03.33 | jelly | rical: that's the idea of ssh and X11Forwarding, yes |
| 13:03.46 | rical | jelly: :) thanks |
| 13:04.08 | jelly | sylar: theres atop and iotop now. There's vmstat and iostat. |
| 13:04.26 | gnarface | rical: it's important to note that the traffic is only encrypted between the computers though. users logged directly into either computer with you will be able to sniff the traffic no problem. |
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| 13:05.42 | rical | gnarface: yes, that makes sence |
| 13:07.05 | thewanderer1 | provided that they are root |
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| 13:18.17 | TimTusk | Hi, i'm trying to install my GTS250 driver into debian 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 13:18.39 | TimTusk | Could someone look at my sources.list? |
| 13:19.07 | TimTusk | Here it is: http://pastebin.com/cx2dg7W5 |
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| 13:20.47 | liable | Tommy_DO: having those last two testing lines will upgrade your whole box to testing |
| 13:20.52 | liable | TimTusk: ^^^ |
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| 13:21.47 | liable | unless you have pinned |
| 13:21.50 | TimTusk | alright i removed them |
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| 13:21.56 | TimTusk | and ran apt-get update |
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| 13:23.04 | TimTusk | So when I install via module assistant |
| 13:23.48 | TimTusk | m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source-2.6.26-2-686 nvidia-kernel-source-2.6.26-2-686, what is nvidia-kernel-source-2.6.26-2-686? |
| 13:23.55 | TimTusk | i get that |
| 13:24.25 | liable | just do m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 13:25.04 | TimTusk | ok |
| 13:25.16 | TimTusk | oh woah |
| 13:25.17 | TimTusk | swee |
| 13:25.24 | TimTusk | it's building the NVIDIA source |
| 13:25.29 | TimTusk | ok it finished, now what |
| 13:25.45 | liable | load the module and restart x or reboot |
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| 13:26.33 | TimTusk | i'm kinda a noob at this |
| 13:26.37 | TimTusk | how do i load the module xD |
| 13:26.41 | liable | reboot |
| 13:26.47 | TimTusk | that's it? |
| 13:26.58 | liable | yes |
| 13:27.12 | thewanderer1 | is using ZFS with DRBD a better idea than using send/recv for network RAID1? |
| 13:27.14 | TimTusk | Gee, thanks |
| 13:27.15 | TimTusk | brb |
| 13:28.24 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Isn't zfs send/recv quite different from drbd? |
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| 13:28.47 | thewanderer1 | it is in that it has delays |
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| 13:30.03 | thewanderer1 | where do I find a list of patches that come with Debian kernel source? |
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| 13:30.06 | TimTusk | liable: Thanks. |
| 13:30.07 | thrashold | Delays? I never quite got how zfs send/recv work, but I thought you need to replicate manually and it was done in a weird fashion. drbd on the other hand keeps the slave constantly sync'ed, keeping a bitmap |
| 13:30.09 | TimTusk | liable: Thanks. |
| 13:30.16 | liable | TimTusk: welcome |
| 13:30.58 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: yes, you do transfer snapshots, much like DRBD does but DRBD does it in sync mode whereas ZFS send/recv with cron can be thought of as async operation |
| 13:30.59 | TimTusk | You recommend installing nvidia-settings or nvidia-xconfig? |
| 13:31.19 | thewanderer1 | TimTusk: neither, unless you really need one |
| 13:31.24 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Also, does zfs send copy all the data in the snapshot? |
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| 13:31.28 | TimTusk | Okay. |
| 13:31.34 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: -i (incremental) |
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| 13:32.22 | liable | actually, i believe you need the nvidia libs and config. dunno about for stable |
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| 13:32.40 | thrashold | thewanderer1: What is zfs send -i relative to? |
| 13:32.47 | thrashold | thewanderer1: (I can't seem to find docs) |
| 13:32.51 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: incremental rsync |
| 13:32.54 | TimTusk | liable: I have a dual monitor setup. |
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| 13:32.57 | thewanderer1 | but on the filesystem level |
| 13:33.00 | TimTusk | How do I enable the 2nd monitor? |
| 13:33.10 | thrashold | thewanderer1: This doesn't make any sense, since zfs send is unidirectional |
| 13:33.18 | liable | TimTusk: i dont know. consult google |
| 13:33.20 | thewanderer1 | yes, it is |
| 13:33.23 | TimTusk | Alright thanks. |
| 13:33.26 | thewanderer1 | like an incremental backup |
| 13:33.31 | thrashold | rsync reads the files in the destination, so they work completely differently |
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| 13:33.42 | gnarface | TimTusk: you use twinview, consult /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README.txt |
| 13:33.43 | thrashold | s/files/file list/ |
| 13:33.48 | thewanderer1 | alright |
| 13:33.59 | thewanderer1 | now, anyone. where are the OpenVZ patches in Debian? |
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| 13:34.06 | thrashold | The question is, what is zfs send -i relative to? What does it increment over? |
| 13:34.19 | rical | soft :) |
| 13:34.21 | thewanderer1 | the given snapshot (you give 2 on the CLI) |
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| 13:35.01 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Ah, now it makes sense. Well, I'd prefer zfs send/recv for my personal use, then. |
| 13:35.37 | thewanderer1 | I'm worried about mail server's health where mails might get in during the N-minute timeframe and the server breaks down |
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| 13:36.15 | thewanderer1 | as some haiku says: "Three things are certain; death, taxes, and data loss; guess which just happened" |
| 13:36.22 | TimTusk | brb |
| 13:36.35 | iron84 | who use streamtuner2 ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591452 this is a bug want streamtuner into repository? |
| 13:36.36 | thrashold | thewanderer1: The result would be slightly less up-to-date, and there is a risk if you miss a snapshot when sending, but it's less levels of software cruft, and with drdb you won't be able to access the snapshots from the "mirror" |
| 13:37.07 | thewanderer1 | well, probably |
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| 13:37.24 | thewanderer1 | losing e-mail sounds horrible, though |
| 13:37.55 | thewanderer1 | it's a kind of "the server has received the message, but it a sploded before backing it up on the secondary one" |
| 13:37.55 | thrashold | iscsi isn't supported isn't supported, right? So you can't use that as an option instead of drbd? |
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| 13:38.19 | thrashold | in zfs-fuse I m ean |
| 13:38.34 | thewanderer1 | well, ZFS should be capable of using any block device I point it to |
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| 13:38.40 | thewanderer1 | I don't know about mdadm, though |
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| 13:39.03 | thrashold | I wouldn't mix zfs and mdadm, there's no need to |
| 13:39.33 | thrashold | zfs does a pretty good job at the same task without md, and md does a pretty terrible job :) |
| 13:39.41 | thewanderer1 | hehe :P |
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| 13:40.17 | thewanderer1 | I'm now confused as hell - OpenVZ wiki tells me that OpenVZ patches are a part of Debian's linux-source, but I see no openvz-related options for this |
| 13:40.19 | thewanderer1 | what gives? |
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| 13:41.06 | thrashold | The only reason I'd choose md over zfs is stability and performance - ZFS-FUSE is slow and not very stable. Mixing them gives you the worse from both :P You get ZFS slowness and instability with md inreliability. :) |
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| 13:41.20 | thewanderer1 | huh |
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| 13:41.40 | thewanderer1 | ZFS-FUSE doesn't seem to have such a bad performance, after all |
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| 13:42.08 | thrashold | It's horrible on my system, I don't know the reasons for that, I can't seem to find them, but it's not nice :) |
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| 13:42.45 | thewanderer1 | I have linux-patch-debian installed, how do I apply debian patches on my downloaded source? |
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| 13:43.01 | thrashold | RAID-Z with three disks gets half the sequental read speed of a single disk, the slow down during disk load is 4-5 more severe than with MD RAID-5 + ext4 |
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| 13:43.41 | thewanderer1 | I've downloaded linux-source-2.6.32 - its description tells me that it already contains the kernel patches, but I can't seem to apply them.. O.o |
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| 13:43.57 | thewanderer1 | there are no readmes at all |
| 13:44.44 | gnarface | maybe it applied them? |
| 13:44.57 | thewanderer1 | then I would be seeing a new category "OpenVZ" in menuconfig |
| 13:45.00 | thewanderer1 | I'm not... |
| 13:45.23 | gnarface | you installed the patch? |
| 13:45.27 | thewanderer1 | how? |
| 13:45.36 | gnarface | last time i did this |
| 13:45.46 | gnarface | i seem to remember the patch just downloading to the directory i was in when i ran the apt-get for it |
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| 13:45.54 | gnarface | i had to cd into the directory it made and run a script |
| 13:46.00 | gnarface | there was some sort of readme in there too i thought |
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| 13:46.11 | thewanderer1 | the Debian package tells me that the patches are already included |
| 13:46.15 | thewanderer1 | but they're not O.o |
| 13:46.56 | gnarface | is there a openvz readme of some sort in the Documentation directory of the kernel source? |
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| 13:47.19 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 13:47.40 | thewanderer1 | and find . -iname *openvz* yields no results |
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| 13:47.53 | gnarface | i got nothing. |
| 13:47.59 | gnarface | never tried this openvz thing you speak of |
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| 13:48.36 | thewanderer1 | do you know how to apply Debian patches to the Debian kernel? O.o |
| 13:48.44 | gnarface | yea |
| 13:48.54 | gnarface | download the source |
| 13:48.54 | thewanderer1 | I've got them all in /usr/src/kernel-patches |
| 13:48.58 | gnarface | then download the patch |
| 13:49.04 | gnarface | then go into the directory of the patch |
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| 13:49.09 | gnarface | and like, run a script in there |
| 13:49.11 | gnarface | i forget which |
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| 13:49.16 | Innocentus | hey |
| 13:49.19 | gnarface | in fact it might run it by default |
| 13:49.20 | Innocentus | I need a short advice |
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| 13:49.35 | Innocentus | I am using the tar -x command to extract a simple tar.gz |
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| 13:49.54 | Innocentus | the question now is how to show the progress because it seems to take very long time and I want to know how much do I need to wait until it's over. |
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| 13:50.05 | gnarface | Innocentus: v |
| 13:50.09 | Innocentus | v`? |
| 13:50.26 | gnarface | Innocentus: tar zxvf [filename] |
| 13:50.28 | Innocentus | would this command be sufficient?: tar -x mysql.tar.gz /home/ssh-tunnel |
| 13:50.34 | gnarface | no |
| 13:50.35 | Innocentus | what happens with that command? |
| 13:50.46 | Innocentus | will this command destroy my system? :( |
| 13:50.50 | gnarface | probably :-p |
| 13:50.56 | Innocentus | *screams* |
| 13:51.01 | Innocentus | will it overwrite something? - oh my god |
| 13:51.02 | gnarface | look |
| 13:51.05 | tbty | I'm able to wget a page and then parse the information retrieved, wonder if I could do this with wget if the homepage would need authentication? |
| 13:51.19 | thewanderer1 | Debian wiki tells that linux-patch-debian are reverse patches that REMOVE functionality? what?! |
| 13:51.23 | Innocentus | I have tried: 'tar x' and 'tar -x' - but nothing seems to happen - I had to terminate with CTRL+C |
| 13:51.27 | petemc | tbty: wget does http auth certainly |
| 13:51.36 | Innocentus | gnarface: would tar x or tax -x do damage? |
| 13:52.05 | Innocentus | *tar not tax |
| 13:52.11 | gnarface | Innocentus: the name of the file you mentioned suggests it's not a plain tar file, it's a gzipped tar file, so you not only need x for extract but z for unzip. v will show you progress |
| 13:52.16 | tbty | I read that wget also works on https so my problem should be resovled with wget |
| 13:52.20 | Innocentus | ah right |
| 13:52.22 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 13:52.23 | Innocentus | great tip |
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| 13:53.02 | Innocentus | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 13:53.06 | Innocentus | what means that? |
| 13:53.16 | gnarface | it means you need f for the file |
| 13:53.20 | Innocentus | ok |
| 13:53.22 | gnarface | tar zxvf [filename] |
| 13:53.42 | Innocentus | looks good so far |
| 13:53.47 | gnarface | as for damage... just don't unzip it somewhere stupid. |
| 13:53.56 | Innocentus | thank you very much gnarface |
| 13:54.00 | gnarface | no problem |
| 13:54.09 | tbty | the thing with user auth in wget is that its for http? which means that particullary anybody could see my password been sent over internet |
| 13:54.26 | Innocentus | gnarface: is there a good shell-editor which can handle very, very big textfiles? |
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| 13:54.54 | gnarface | tbty: this is not a unique problem with wget. http basic auth is not inherently encrypted |
| 13:55.31 | gnarface | Innocentus: emacs has large file support. it's not always on by default in every distro, but on debian i *think* it is |
| 13:56.00 | tbty | yes it there a way to do this over https with wget? |
| 13:56.03 | Innocentus | gnarface: thank you!! |
| 13:56.07 | thewanderer1 | !start an editor war |
| 13:56.07 | dpkg | emacs users need to get a life! |
| 13:56.15 | thewanderer1 | ^ he's psychic |
| 13:56.22 | gnarface | :-p |
| 13:56.40 | gnarface | tbty: wget doesn't support https? |
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| 13:58.06 | tbty | wget does support https but I cant find any options for passing password and username under https in the man pages |
| 13:58.26 | gnarface | they're the same options as using password over http |
| 13:58.41 | gnarface | http basic auth is a protocol entirely seperate and independent of whether you're using https or not |
| 13:59.12 | gnarface | unfortunately with wget your user/password will still appear on the process list though, and in your bash history - so don't use it on a public system |
| 13:59.27 | tbty | okej |
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| 13:59.54 | tbty | thanks, the computer which Im runnning the test from is secured so I'll not have that problem |
| 13:59.55 | thewanderer1 | "what does 'Error: Tree is in an unstable condition. Can't continue!' mean when I try to patch my kernel with apply/debian ? |
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| 14:00.25 | gnarface | probably means you should unzip it fresh again |
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| 14:00.33 | gnarface | or try make distclean or something like that |
| 14:00.49 | thewanderer1 | alright, doing distclean |
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| 14:00.59 | thewanderer1 | still the same |
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| 14:01.12 | thewanderer1 | version.Debian contains "unstable" string |
| 14:01.16 | gnarface | eh. try from a freshly unzipped tree. |
| 14:01.22 | thewanderer1 | I can't seem to figure this Debian-patches stuff out |
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| 14:02.47 | tbty | if Im using wget with my password in which process list will my credential info be shown? in pas aux? |
| 14:02.53 | tbty | pa aux? |
| 14:02.56 | tbty | ps aux? |
| 14:03.11 | thewanderer1 | patchlevel 16 works, but 16-extra returns "Error: Target revision is not in our list of revisions" - I don't know what that means |
| 14:03.13 | tbty | I'm a litlle tired right now |
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| 14:04.36 | TimTusk | Alright I got TwinView enabled. But the 2nd monitor is stuck in 640x480, but in full color |
| 14:04.43 | TimTusk | It's supposed to be 1280x1024 too |
| 14:04.59 | karme | tbty: you mean if you pass your password via cli options? if yes, "ps l" should do the trick |
| 14:05.24 | themill | tbty: yes. but see "man wget" about how to specify the password in a file stop this |
| 14:05.41 | gnarface | TimTusk: assuming your twinview syntax is correct, are you sure your card has enough ram and that you've got correct horizontal and vertical sync numbers for each monitor? |
| 14:06.00 | TimTusk | Card has 1GB RAM, so that's not the issue |
| 14:06.17 | TimTusk | How do I fix the hor/vert sync for the 2nd monitor? |
| 14:06.18 | TimTusk | The 1st monitor is fine. |
| 14:06.19 | thewanderer1 | how do I change the featureset for my Debian kernel? |
| 14:06.21 | tbty | I know hos to specify the password I just wondered where the password could be found by an intruder |
| 14:06.47 | gnarface | TimTusk: go back and read the readme file that comes with the driver closer. there's a syntax for monitor-specific h/vsyncs |
| 14:06.53 | themill | tbty: so specifying it in a file prevents this |
| 14:07.04 | TimTusk | ok |
| 14:07.11 | gnarface | tbty: yes, ps aux is the process list you're thinking of |
| 14:07.19 | liable | TimTusk: try #nvidia or something. proprietry kernel modules arent our fote here |
| 14:07.30 | TimTusk | Alright thanks again. |
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| 14:09.00 | karme | tbty: also note: "ps e" - if you pass passwords in the environment |
| 14:09.28 | tbty | thanks |
| 14:09.59 | karme | tbty: a look at /proc/self might be interesting, too |
| 14:10.40 | liable | i'm usually embarassed |
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| 14:11.44 | thewanderer1 | how to change Debian's kernel featureset? |
| 14:11.45 | pigdude | has anyone here seen an OpenSSH SOCKS tunnel return only empty responses (HTTP traffic)? |
| 14:11.49 | pigdude | I'm really stumped on this one |
| 14:11.55 | pigdude | It's on a debian box |
| 14:12.10 | pigdude | I've been around #openssh a couple weeks ago, nobody had an idea |
| 14:12.39 | rozie | pigdude: how do you setup it? |
| 14:12.57 | rozie | and what are "empty responses"? |
| 14:12.59 | rozie | 404? |
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| 14:13.38 | TimTusk | I fixed it, |
| 14:13.50 | TimTusk | It was the horizontal and vertical sync, so I fixed those. |
| 14:14.01 | TimTusk | Now I've got it exactly the way I want. |
| 14:14.28 | gnarface | congratulations |
| 14:14.40 | pigdude | rozie: http://97.107.131.243/sshd_config |
| 14:15.46 | thewanderer1 | good heavens, it's patching my kernel! |
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| 14:16.14 | gnarface | thewanderer1: what was the trick? |
| 14:16.19 | rozie | pigdude: i think we're talking about different setup |
| 14:16.44 | thewanderer1 | apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 instead of installing linux-source* stuff |
| 14:16.55 | thewanderer1 | I don't know how it patched the kernel, though - let's see |
| 14:17.14 | pigdude | rozie: ah, good point, here's the command: ssh -C2ND8080 myuser@97.107.131.243 |
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| 14:18.08 | tbty | I have tried wget over https and provided also my pass and username. The problem is that the page I try to download generates a key value which will evaluate for the session before logging me on with my credentials |
| 14:18.12 | TimTusk | I think I can handle everything else from here. Just my video card was a little pain to install. |
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| 14:18.42 | thewanderer1 | cool, it's setting up the sources for ARCH=alpha... |
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| 14:18.52 | nasso | i have a question about softwareraid, md. Dont know where to ask it so ill put it here |
| 14:18.57 | tbty | and wget isn't interactive so I guess it cant be made |
| 14:19.16 | thewanderer1 | tbty: use curl |
| 14:19.21 | pigdude | rozie: then curl -x localhost:8080 google.com returns "curl: (52) Empty reply from server" |
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| 14:20.33 | tbty | I'll look into that package |
| 14:20.56 | thewanderer1 | you can also use curl in PHP (php-cli) to write your own HTTP client if you need advanced functionality |
| 14:21.00 | nasso | i have two discs (500gb each) i want to partition them in three parts, 20gb for /, 2gb for swap and the rest for /data. with the partitions for / and /data i want to create two raid-1 arrays with linux software raid and with with the swap partions i want to create one raid 0 array. it there any problems with doing like this? three raid arrays on two discs. |
| 14:21.21 | nasso | will use the debian installer to do this |
| 14:21.25 | joltcan | nasso: No, thats what I do |
| 14:21.30 | gnarface | tbty: "generates a key value which will evaluate for the session..." what? you mean like a session cookie? if the page uses sessions you'll need cookie support. |
| 14:21.30 | thewanderer1 | now this is sick! Debian creates multiple source trees for me! |
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| 14:21.54 | joltcan | nasso: but I use LVM first, and create the raid stuff from the LVM partitions (so that I can resize them easily in the future) |
| 14:21.55 | thewanderer1 | curl supports cookies, and I'm almost sure wget can be made to support cookies, I just can't recall how |
| 14:22.18 | tbty | cookie support will I find it in curl? |
| 14:22.23 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 14:22.24 | gnarface | yes curl and wget will both support cookies but i doubt either will do it by default |
| 14:22.34 | tbty | okej |
| 14:22.42 | thewanderer1 | curl (the command line tool) has a CLI option to save cookies and load them |
| 14:22.42 | tbty | I'll look into wget again |
| 14:22.56 | nasso | joltcan, ok. cool. just create an lvm-volume out of all the free space in the installer create three partiontions and make them part of the raid arrays? |
| 14:23.04 | gnarface | tbty: this is a lot of effort just to do a single-command download. maybe you should just log in with lynx and download whatever it is? |
| 14:23.18 | joltcan | nasso: exactly |
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| 14:23.35 | gnarface | lynx *does* support cookies by default but it always prompts you to accept or decline them individually |
| 14:23.58 | joltcan | nasso: so first assign them to lvm. then create the lvm slices on each disk, and then pair them with raid1 |
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| 14:24.03 | thewanderer1 | finally sees OpenVZ in menuconfig - Debian is a wild beast really |
| 14:24.27 | nasso | joltcan, ok. volume group == partition? |
| 14:24.39 | tbty | I really have to get some sleep now |
| 14:25.07 | tbty | I'll later look more into wget curl and lynx |
| 14:25.28 | joltcan | nasso: LV even |
| 14:26.04 | frostschutz | nasso: do not put raid on top of lvm |
| 14:26.34 | nasso | joltcan, ok. volume group is like a logical disc and logical volume is like and logical partition? |
| 14:26.39 | nasso | frostschutz, why not? |
| 14:26.40 | joltcan | frostschutz: am I confusing things now? |
| 14:27.21 | joltcan | nasso: sorry, the other way around I guess |
| 14:27.54 | joltcan | nasso: I have three md's, one for boot, one for swap, and the last for data |
| 14:28.22 | rozie | pigdude: I use ssh -ND <port> user@host |
| 14:28.41 | pigdude | rozie: I was doing something wrong w/ firefox, using foxyproxy got it working |
| 14:28.45 | rozie | then I set up socks proxy in browser to <port> and localhost |
| 14:28.49 | frostschutz | nasso: you can do it as you described in your first message. partition one disk, replicate the partitioning to the other disc with sfdisk, pair the partitions with raid1 or raid0 as you like. if you want lvm, you can put lvm on top of raid then. |
| 14:28.50 | joltcan | nasso: then you can use md3 to split into root and data and whatnot |
| 14:28.57 | rozie | and this works |
| 14:29.02 | pigdude | rozie: yea, that's what I was using from the start :^) |
| 14:29.50 | frostschutz | nasso: raid on top of lvm is horrible in terms of performance and usability. lvm virtualizes disks away, so the raid 1 will be using different regions of each disk, or might even be on the same disk if you aren't careful with how you set lvm up |
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| 14:31.20 | nasso | okay. ill create two arrays then. one raid-1 for / and /data and then one raid0 for swap. then ill use lvm ontop of the raid 1 array to create the / and /data partitions |
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| 14:32.37 | thewanderer1 | just in case my newly compiled kernel doesn't workaround my ACPI issue, how do I load a custom DSDT? |
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| 14:35.57 | nasso | frostschutz, joltcan : check this out: http://pastebin.com/Akv9y8c9 |
| 14:36.44 | nasso | can i do like that? i have 2x500gb and 2x1000gb. create raid 1 and raid 0 out of the 500gb and raid 1 out of the 1000gb |
| 14:36.54 | nasso | the raid 0 i just create swap out of |
| 14:37.17 | nasso | the raid 1 och both 500gb and 1000gb is put together with lvm and i create / and /data out of it? |
| 14:38.09 | thewanderer1 | watches his head explode |
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| 14:40.07 | jelly | *blink* |
| 14:40.48 | joltcan | nasso: put the 2x1T together with md, and create / and /data by LVM |
| 14:41.33 | jelly | "draw a picture" |
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| 14:41.54 | nasso | jelly, i did: http://pastebin.com/Akv9y8c9 |
| 14:41.55 | nasso | ;) |
| 14:42.14 | nasso | joltcan, but then i wont be using the 2x500GB for anything but swap |
| 14:42.26 | karlpinc | nasso: And there's no particular reason to use raid0 for swap. Just create swap partitions on the different raw devices and the vm subsystem will worry about balancing the load (within whatever priority levels you assign the different swap paritions. |
| 14:42.30 | jelly | wonders why people omit swap from raid1 |
| 14:42.31 | karme | nasso: what happens to your swap if one disk fails? |
| 14:42.45 | jelly | Boom! Kernel panic. |
| 14:42.59 | thewanderer1 | kernel panic is the best that can happen |
| 14:43.30 | jelly | it's the only thing that's supposed to happen when a swap device dies |
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| 14:43.46 | thewanderer1 | yes, "supposed" |
| 14:44.00 | karlpinc | nasso: Jelly is right, you could raid1 swap for reliabilty if that floats your boat. |
| 14:44.08 | thewanderer1 | unless bad sectors kick in before someone notices |
| 14:44.19 | thewanderer1 | is using swap on RAID1 |
| 14:44.25 | nasso | yes. i guess i could use raid 1 for swap too. its a home server though... |
| 14:44.33 | helo | how can i extract an initrd that is embedded in a kernel? |
| 14:44.34 | thewanderer1 | mine too :P |
| 14:44.49 | nasso | i think ill use karlpinc's suggenstion. its the easiest :) |
| 14:45.30 | nasso | ill have enough ram anyway so it wont swap that heavily |
| 14:45.47 | karme | had troubles with swap on lvm on raid 1 |
| 14:46.25 | thewanderer1 | I have none, but I don't think it's on LVM |
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| 14:47.08 | nasso | ill experiment a bit with swap/lvm in virtualbox tonight. virtualbox is extremely useful for that kind of thing. just add 10 devices and get to work :) |
| 14:47.13 | helo | what is the make-kpkg argument to use an embedded initrd vs separate img? |
| 14:47.14 | karme | thewanderer1: i had one more stack involved: dm-crypt |
| 14:47.47 | karme | thewanderer1: swap on lvm on md raid1 worked - afair |
| 14:48.06 | thewanderer1 | why would somebody be connecting to my firewall on port 20823 continously? it's DROPping those packages... |
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| 14:48.21 | karlpinc | I have had an fsck/lvm related problem, but it's fixed in squeeze. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552029 |
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| 14:49.01 | karlpinc | helo: It's in the docs. IIRC you omit --initramfs or some such. |
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| 14:51.03 | jelly | thewanderer1: because you're on the internet. |
| 14:52.18 | thewanderer1 | but everyone is keen on this bloody port O.o |
| 14:52.37 | thewanderer1 | I don't know what 20823 is |
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| 14:52.47 | thewanderer1 | perhaps torrents? lol |
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| 14:54.20 | joltcan | karlpinc: the only problem with that is that if a disk fails, then the swap area might be corrupted, so its actually better to have your swap on raid1 as well |
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| 14:54.28 | c00lryguy | Can someone please help me out? You know how you can hold ALT to drag a window around in gnome? Well my system seems to be stuck in reverse. I have to hold ALT to interact with a window, otherwise clicking the window just drags it. |
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| 14:55.14 | joltcan | nasso: and please double check that you can boot from lvm on raid. I couldnt when I installed my system with etch |
| 14:55.26 | joltcan | nasso: so I had to create a non-lvm /boot for it to work |
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| 14:55.48 | thewanderer1 | c00lryguy: logout and login P |
| 14:55.56 | nasso | joltcan, okay. i dont really need lvm. maybe i should just not use it... |
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| 14:56.14 | sparrW | I am trying to install Debian 5.05 from the netinst disc. The installer cannot detect my NIC. I am currently booted into Fedora 13, which is using the e1000e driver for my NIC. How can I get that driver to the debian installer? |
| 14:56.25 | c00lryguy | thewanderer1, I already tried >_< |
| 14:56.33 | joltcan | nasso: it's nice when you want to change your 1T disk to a 2T disk... |
| 14:56.57 | karlpinc | nasso: lvm is very handy. But not for /boot. |
| 14:57.04 | c00lryguy | It happened after installing and using the sugar emulator one time.. I really dunno what happened |
| 14:57.15 | joltcan | well, I'm off now, cheers and good luck |
| 14:57.16 | thewanderer1 | c00lryguy: switch to the console and see if you can type with ALT up |
| 14:57.18 | nasso | can i change discs in a md-array to larget discs without lvm? |
| 14:57.27 | karlpinc | !tell sparrW aout kumto |
| 14:57.52 | nasso | like this: http://scotgate.org/2006/07/03/growing-a-raid5-array-mdadm/ |
| 14:57.58 | karlpinc | !tell sparrW about kmuto |
| 14:58.37 | karlpinc | sparrW: After using a kmuto installer you will also likely need to install a newer-than-lenny kernel from backports.org. |
| 14:58.42 | c00lryguy | Thats the thing, its not triggering any hotkeys really... its only when I try to click on a window |
| 14:59.29 | sparrW | karlpinc: I'm not so much set on Lenny, are there testing or unstable installers with kernels new enough to have that driver? |
| 15:00.23 | karlpinc | sparrW: I don't know. I'm under the impression that to get testing/unstable you start from stable and upgrade, but I generally run stable so... |
| 15:00.27 | c00lryguy | >_< the hotkey to initiate the window moving was set to mouse left click in compiz |
| 15:00.34 | c00lryguy | I dunno how the hell that happened |
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| 15:01.33 | nasso | from https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Growing : It is possible to migrate the whole array to larger drives (e.g. 250 GB to 1 TB) by replacing one by one. In the end the number of devices will be the same, the data will remain intact, and you will have more space available to you. |
| 15:01.58 | nasso | then just do a fsck and a resize2fs |
| 15:02.17 | CMI_DOS | how do i change the default desktop environment in debian based linux |
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| 15:02.49 | karlpinc | CMI_DOS: The window manager? I usually install gdm and use the menus before logging in. |
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| 15:03.27 | CMI_DOS | karlpinc: i need to use gnome |
| 15:04.26 | karlpinc | CMI_DOS: If you're always using gnome then what do you mean by "changing the desktop environment"? |
| 15:05.04 | CMI_DOS | i mean i want gnome to be my default desktop environment |
| 15:05.23 | karlpinc | CMI_DOS: Did you install the gnome package? |
| 15:05.28 | CMI_DOS | yes |
| 15:06.40 | karlpinc | CMI_DOS: Then gdm should be installed. So select gnome before logging in. |
| 15:06.45 | themill | CMI_DOS: what does "debian based" mean in this case. This is a detail that varies a lot. |
| 15:07.19 | karlpinc | CMI_DOS: That is a good point. We support debian here. Other stuff could be completely different. |
| 15:07.35 | CMI_DOS | idk |
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| 15:09.09 | CMI_DOS | how do i use GDM then |
| 15:09.11 | sparrW | karlpinc: ok, thanks, I'm going to try a snapshot testing netinst disc, if that doesn't work then I'll try the kmuto images |
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| 15:11.04 | jhutchins_lt2 | CMI_DOS: It would depend on what debian based" distro you're using. |
| 15:11.13 | CMI_DOS | Knoppix |
| 15:11.15 | jhutchins_lt2 | CMI_DOS: If they weren't different from Debian, they'd be debian, not debian based. |
| 15:12.48 | themill | CMI_DOS: #knoppix will know more than us in that case |
| 15:13.09 | CMI_DOS | i asked in there but they idle |
| 15:13.20 | themill | give them time then... |
| 15:13.31 | CMI_DOS | i left my pc on all night waiting for support |
| 15:13.35 | CMI_DOS | but nothing |
| 15:13.43 | CMI_DOS | nobody even joined |
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| 15:14.54 | gnarface | CMI_DOS: your F1-FN keys should have documentation about parameters for your knoppix boot screen. you should read them. |
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| 15:15.57 | CMI_DOS | nope no docs came up |
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| 15:17.14 | gnarface | CMI_DOS: the screen where you see "boot:" at. |
| 15:18.22 | CMI_DOS | k :) |
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| 15:23.11 | aPpYe_ | I am playing around with the advanced installer. At the kernel selection screen, is there a difference between choosing "linux-image-2.6-686" and "linux-image-686?" |
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| 15:23.33 | aPpYe_ | is the other one a 2.4 kernel or something? |
| 15:24.51 | aPpYe_ | or is it a metapackage of sorts that will auto-upgrade to the 2.8 kernel when it eventually comes out? |
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| 15:24.57 | thewanderer1 | the latter |
| 15:25.36 | aPpYe_ | thewanderer1: metapackage? former comes before latter, right? |
| 15:25.46 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 15:26.04 | thewanderer1 | here's my AMD64 example: |
| 15:26.17 | thewanderer1 | "This package depends on the latest Linux kernel 2.6 and modules for use on" - amd64 kernel |
| 15:26.29 | thewanderer1 | no, it was 2.6-amd64 |
| 15:26.45 | thewanderer1 | "This package depends on the latest Linux kernel and modules for use on PCs" - amd64, without the 2.6 part |
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| 15:28.40 | aPpYe_ | heh ... so in a nutshell if I choose the 2.6, I will get the same kernel I get with the non-2.6 package, but if/when 2.8 comes out it will NOT auto-upgrade to it. |
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| 15:33.26 | jelly | aPpYe_: the difference is irrelevant for the foreseeable future, but yeah, that's the gist |
| 15:34.03 | aPpYe_ | jelly: yeah, that is what I figured. I just went for the non 2.6 one just to add some spice to my life. |
| 15:34.22 | aPpYe_ | this is a testing system out of the box... |
| 15:34.35 | jelly | 2.7 or 3.0 or whatever is not gonna happen any time soon |
| 15:35.41 | aPpYe_ | yeah I know. |
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| 15:41.38 | aPpYe_ | okay, I am at the software selection screen ... what is included in "standard system utilities"? |
| 15:42.19 | gnarface | stuff you'd miss if you use the console a lot |
| 15:42.28 | thewanderer1 | less and bzip2 and other things you probably take for granted |
| 15:42.38 | aPpYe_ | gotcha... |
| 15:42.41 | thewanderer1 | you can apt-get them, though :P |
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| 15:44.47 | aPpYe_ | now ... I am told that aptitude has an ncurses gui that will allow me to choose certain "tasks" as they are listed in the installer. If I were to deselect everything in the installer, and then select them in aptitude after the base is installed, does that give me the exact same end result, or does the installer program run extra things like configuration or something? |
| 15:44.47 | jelly | aPpYe_: what is the system going to be used for? |
| 15:44.49 | MxyzHome | hi, I need module hostap with some extra options to upgrade firmware on the card, is there a way to recompile just that module without doing an entire new kernel? |
| 15:45.01 | aPpYe_ | jelly: I use console a lot... |
| 15:45.09 | aPpYe_ | not really a noob |
| 15:45.13 | d1b | aPpYe_: welcome to linux! |
| 15:45.15 | jelly | aPpYe_: desktop? server? db server? file server? |
| 15:45.30 | jelly | media center? |
| 15:45.35 | aPpYe_ | well, this is a vm for now ... |
| 15:46.20 | aPpYe_ | I am not really looking for advice on what to install based on my uses ... I know exactly what I want installed, I am just curious how this "task" concept works... |
| 15:46.49 | jelly | aPpYe_: well, a nice exercise is to install just the base system (deselect everything) and see exactly what you get and how much space it takes |
| 15:46.58 | jelly | !tell aPpYe_ about tasksel |
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| 15:48.29 | jelly | aPpYe_: that's the tasks selection UI, you can install and run it later. installing -task packages via aptitude might produce very similar but possibly not identical results |
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| 15:49.17 | MxyzHome | hi, I need module hostap with some extra options to upgrade firmware on the card, is there a way to recompile just that module without doing an entire new kernel? |
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| 15:52.13 | aPpYe_ | jelly: that is the documentation I was looking for ... thanks. |
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| 15:53.21 | fujisan | !fable |
| 15:53.21 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
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| 15:57.41 | kavakava | Anyone with multiple gfx cards that could do an lspci and paste all the gfx related lines? |
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| 16:07.22 | NemesisD | hi all. seems on my production server, installing sun's jdk consistently crashes it when its setting up the package. when i start apt, it wants me to run dpkg --configure -a again, which will try to install it and crash my system. anyone know how i can purge what its trying to install |
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| 16:08.21 | thewanderer1 | sun's jdk is a non-free package and who knows what that does |
| 16:08.40 | gnarface | NemesisD: apt-get --purge [package name] |
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| 16:09.43 | NemesisD | thewanderer1: crashes my production server is what it does, evidently |
| 16:10.05 | d1b | NemesisD: :) |
| 16:10.11 | d1b | apt-get --purge remove .... |
| 16:10.20 | d1b | not sure why it would be 'crashing' |
| 16:10.30 | fxiny | tude be tude , aptitude |
| 16:10.31 | thewanderer1 | sounds like a kernel bug / hardware problem |
| 16:10.35 | d1b | or why you would be 'installing things' on a 'production server' |
| 16:10.37 | d1b | like java :) |
| 16:10.40 | d1b | if it mattered |
| 16:11.02 | NemesisD | d1b: apparently erlang needs it for something |
| 16:11.41 | fxiny | so is it not full installed ? |
| 16:11.45 | d1b | NemesisD: openjdk is ok for most of it |
| 16:11.59 | d1b | openjdk also doesn't crap your server :) |
| 16:12.08 | d1b | just is horribly dated with security updates ;P |
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| 16:13.48 | NemesisD | d1b: the suggestion i got was to try the version of sun's jdk from the official website and then try open jdk as a backup |
| 16:14.33 | thewanderer1 | "from the official website" is bad enough |
| 16:14.39 | thewanderer1 | it's in the repositories already :P |
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| 16:16.23 | project2501a | i am trying to move some data from one local dir to a nas, mounted over smb |
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| 16:16.58 | thewanderer1 | if I interrupt make-kpkg with Ctrl+C, can I resume it later? I need to use more cores for compiling. |
| 16:17.09 | project2501a | i get "mv permittion denied. |
| 16:17.09 | project2501a | wtf |
| 16:17.18 | thewanderer1 | what it says |
| 16:17.27 | Trashi | hi guys. is it possible to use fail2ban WITHOUT iptables? im using a vServer and i have no access to the kernel to modifiy iptables?! |
| 16:17.35 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: no. |
| 16:17.59 | kavakava | Trashi: Look into denyhosts. |
| 16:18.06 | project2501a | thewanderer1: mv: inter-device move failed: `NG-5247_HLR_NewblerRun1280738840/' to `/home/user/data/NG-5247_HLR_NewblerRun1280738840'; unable to remove target: Is a directory |
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| 16:18.34 | Trashi | thewanderer1 kavakava: f*ck .. do u know another way? i did try denyhosts and it works really good for sshd, but i need also to secure apache and ftp? |
| 16:18.43 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: no. |
| 16:19.01 | gnarface | some things just require real servers |
| 16:19.03 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: this is application-level protection - the only possibility when you can't afford firewall rules. |
| 16:19.13 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: or virtualized iptables, like OpenVZ :P |
| 16:19.39 | thewanderer1 | <breaking-news>linux-vserver is not a VPS solution</breaking-news> |
| 16:19.41 | gnarface | likes his firewall to be a separate physical machine |
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| 16:21.05 | Trashi | ok, but does anybody know how to configure denyhosts for securing ftp and httpd? |
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| 16:21.48 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: the program you want to secure would have to support tcpwrappers. |
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| 16:22.14 | thewanderer1 | check with the documentation whether Apache and your faviorite FTP server support that - some ftpd's do. |
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| 16:23.55 | Trashi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:24.52 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: denyhosts uses /etc/hosts.deny file. read on its syntax - it probably denies connections for all daemons using tcpwrappers, not only SSH. |
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| 16:25.13 | thewanderer1 | denyhosts will detect only SSH brute-forcing, though. |
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| 16:25.52 | thewanderer1 | you have to come up with your own script if you want to monitor HTTP/FTP queries and add the offending hosts to /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 16:26.32 | dvs | Is there a Debian installer with a kernel newer than 2.6.32? I've already tried kmuto and he doesn't have any. |
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| 16:27.22 | thewanderer1 | dvs: do you really need a debian-installer with a newer kernel? |
| 16:28.09 | d1b | dvs: debian-live maybe - if you make your own :) |
| 16:28.11 | Cyis | anyone tried setting up a preseed file that includes a custom partition layout? I'm running into some problems getting it to work |
| 16:28.12 | dvs | thewanderer1: I'm trying to install Debian on my new Toshiba Satillite C650D and the 2.6.32 core dumps on startup |
| 16:28.27 | d1b | dvs: what about 2.6.26? |
| 16:28.28 | Trashi | thewanderer1: ok .. i think it wouldnt be a problem to write a script for controlling httpd/ftp error/access log, which writes ip into hosts.deny ... but is, for example apache2, able to regard the host.deny? |
| 16:28.47 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: that's what I mean by "check if it supports tcpwrappers" |
| 16:28.51 | dvs | d1b: 2.6.26 works but it doesn't have any drivers for my NIC |
| 16:29.18 | r15 | hi, could someone provide me repository link to install firmware of 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562GT 10/100 Network Connection (rev 03) |
| 16:29.20 | thewanderer1 | dvs: build yourself a liveCD/liveUSB with the latest sid kernel and install manually |
| 16:29.25 | Trashi | thewanderer1: ah, ok! thank you for help :) |
| 16:29.40 | dvs | thewanderer1: where are the instructions? |
| 16:29.42 | d1b | dvs: report a bug to debian, with the dmesg from the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 16:29.43 | d1b | :) |
| 16:29.49 | d1b | and the error if you can from the 2.6.32 kernel |
| 16:29.58 | r15 | after reinstall i am unable to get a list of available wireless networks. |
| 16:30.03 | dvs | d1b: 2.6.26 doesn't crash but it doesn't have a driver |
| 16:30.17 | d1b | see my comment :) |
| 16:30.19 | d1b | read it again |
| 16:30.23 | d1b | RECORD IT :) |
| 16:30.24 | d1b | file bug |
| 16:30.26 | d1b | etc. |
| 16:30.31 | thewanderer1 | dvs: live-helper, get a HOWTO on it |
| 16:30.39 | dvs | ok |
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| 16:31.55 | dvs | d1b: how can i get the dmesg when i'm trying to install it? |
| 16:32.17 | gnarface | by now i'd have just pulled the harddrive out and installed debian to it from a working computer |
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| 16:32.29 | r15 | ok, more precise, i am not getting any wirless network list, in logs i have firmware: requesting iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode |
| 16:32.40 | r15 | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:10:00.0 disabled |
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| 16:33.34 | gnarface | r15: there is a firmware package in non-free that you want. i think it's called linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 16:33.43 | thewanderer1 | not at all |
| 16:33.50 | gnarface | no? |
| 16:33.53 | thewanderer1 | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:33.56 | gnarface | ah |
| 16:33.58 | thewanderer1 | specifically for Intel Wireless |
| 16:34.03 | gnarface | gotcha |
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| 16:35.03 | poincare101 | Hello everyone. Is it possible to install debian on an external drive (wd elements, 1 TB) or would the rpm rates not be enough? Also, how would it boot from the bios? Special settings? |
| 16:35.52 | thewanderer1 | poincare101: Debian runs fine on anything from 4200rpm to 15000rpm, and how to boot that from BIOS - if it's USB then you have to enable USB boot in BIOS. |
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| 16:36.48 | poincare101 | thewanderer1: I see. |
| 16:36.58 | poincare101 | thewanderer1: so, no complicated preparations before I pop in the CD? |
| 16:37.04 | gnarface | well... theoretically you could do something heinous with a grub boot disk, couldn't you? |
| 16:37.18 | gnarface | cdboot chainload to usb disk? |
| 16:37.41 | thewanderer1 | poincare101: provided that you enable USB storage in the installer, it works like with a normal disk drive |
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| 16:38.47 | thewanderer1 | the only thing to watch for is: don't let your system use your already-existant swap partition on the local disk, or unless it will try to access a non-existant partition on other computers when you move it around, and fail, of course |
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| 16:39.18 | r15 | Thanks gnarface. |
| 16:39.29 | r15 | it's working now. |
| 16:39.31 | thewanderer1 | (oh, and GRUB2 sometimes fails on USB storage, I use grub-legacy on USB drives personally) |
| 16:40.35 | project2501a | :( |
| 16:40.40 | project2501a | i just lost a drive! |
| 16:40.41 | project2501a | :(* |
| 16:40.43 | project2501a | :( :( :( |
| 16:40.44 | gnarface | remember when lilo was cool? i miss that. |
| 16:40.50 | project2501a | lilo sucks |
| 16:41.04 | gnarface | i never had any problems with it |
| 16:41.19 | gnarface | grub is all kinds of buggy |
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| 16:43.03 | Ikarus | gnarface: go for extlinux |
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| 16:43.43 | Ikarus | (it's isolinux like the Debian installer bootloader, but then for ext/[234] filesystems) |
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| 16:44.28 | gnarface | huh. neat |
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| 16:44.56 | poincare101 | lilo is nice, I use it with slackware. |
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| 16:49.57 | fxiny | project2501a: lost a drive ? check the f* wiring |
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| 16:50.46 | fxiny | third day without file corruption and a drive sleeping |
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| 16:54.42 | d1b | fxiny: :) |
| 16:54.43 | rioch | I installed some things from unstable and, guess what, my system is a bit unstable. Is there an easy (apt-get style) way of removing them? |
| 16:54.54 | d1b | rioch: mmm? |
| 16:54.56 | d1b | !downgrades |
| 16:54.56 | dpkg | downgrades is probably No. Reinstall. |
| 16:55.09 | project2501a | fxiny: most likely raid failure |
| 16:55.16 | d1b | you can remoe it - apt-get --purge remove package :) |
| 16:55.18 | d1b | remove * |
| 16:55.44 | rioch | d1b: is it possible to get a list of packages installed from unstable? |
| 16:55.45 | fxiny | project2501a: you never know , check kern.log for errors |
| 16:55.58 | d1b | rioch: erh good question :) |
| 16:56.00 | d1b | i am not sure |
| 16:56.10 | d1b | the answer is yes, because synaptic can do it :) |
| 16:56.26 | d1b | otherwise just check /var/log/dpkg.log for what was installed recently |
| 16:57.07 | rioch | d1b: I just found apt-show-versions :) |
| 16:57.43 | project2501a | fxiny: it's a nas device :P |
| 16:57.46 | d1b | rioch: neat :) |
| 16:58.00 | d1b | project2501a: lilo these days? |
| 16:58.05 | d1b | erh you are in the wrong decade |
| 16:58.09 | d1b | try again! |
| 16:58.24 | fxiny | d1b: i made a totally useless swatch script . it keeps swatching but reads no errors , and sends no mail ! |
| 16:58.38 | project2501a | d1b: i said "lilo sucks" :P |
| 16:59.08 | d1b | :) |
| 16:59.31 | fxiny | project2501a: nas device ? wt4x ! |
| 16:59.50 | d1b | my nas is an armel :) |
| 17:00.00 | project2501a | fxiny: what's wrong with nas? |
| 17:00.19 | project2501a | fxiny: you don't expect me to have 10TB on my latop, do you? |
| 17:00.39 | d1b | project2501a: oh snap |
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| 17:04.37 | fxiny | project2501a: 10T only ? want to swap it with my iomega zip 250 ? |
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| 17:06.32 | fxiny | and why are you using lilo ? |
| 17:06.48 | fxiny | grub sounds better |
| 17:06.58 | project2501a | fxiny: are you following the convo man, or are you trolling? |
| 17:07.04 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:07.16 | fxiny | project2501a: who's the convo man ? |
| 17:07.18 | jhutchins_lt | lilo handles raid and some other unusual hardware better than grub/ |
| 17:07.30 | project2501a | jhutchins: grub2 > * |
| 17:07.54 | jhutchins_lt | In complexity and potential for failure sure. |
| 17:08.19 | fxiny | no idea about grub2 , i'm sitting on stable |
| 17:08.58 | fxiny | don't even like stuffed up ext* , too many features |
| 17:09.02 | d1b | fxiny: .... |
| 17:09.14 | d1b | grub2 is ok. |
| 17:09.22 | d1b | but there is no point going to it unless you need it :) |
| 17:09.46 | thewanderer1 | why does my kernel build fail on this: ERROR: "sysfs_deprecated" [drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.ko] undefined! ? |
| 17:10.17 | thewanderer1 | I'm unable to run a kernel with sysfs_deprecated in Squeeze, udev would kill me |
| 17:10.32 | d1b | erh.. |
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| 17:10.41 | d1b | weird. |
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| 17:10.48 | fxiny | d1b: you mean ext4 ? |
| 17:10.58 | gnarface | bad libc? bad gcc? bad kernel source? i dunno.... |
| 17:11.29 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: I'm compiling the openvz flavour of 2.6.32 amd64 |
| 17:11.37 | d1b | fxiny: something like that :) |
| 17:11.39 | thewanderer1 | it's from the Debian sources |
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| 17:12.34 | fxiny | d1b: i'm not ready yet , i'm glad WIR rulez ;) |
| 17:12.35 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I think that means you've failed to set the option for that, but it could also mean you're using a different version of the base config file and that option is not valid with that kernel. |
| 17:13.02 | thewanderer1 | what do you mean 'different version'? |
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| 17:13.22 | jhutchins_lt | Like when you take the config from an existing kernel and fail to run make oldconfig on it. |
| 17:13.48 | thewanderer1 | let's see... |
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| 17:14.33 | gnarface | or maybe just nobody's bothered to try it on amd64 yet so you're the first one to notice it's broken. |
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| 17:22.54 | rioch | how do you list the packages that are installed but not in the repos using the command line? (they show up as local/obsolete in a gui) |
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| 17:23.54 | Ironhand | quick question: if I have multiple debian netinst iso images on the same partition on a USB stick, and boot the kernel+initrd of a particular installer version, will it automatically pick the right iso image to install from? or does it simply grab the first iso it comes across? |
| 17:24.02 | sk1p_ | rioch: apt-show-versions |
| 17:24.51 | simonrvn | Ironhand: i think it might be a bit of both, but that's just an educated guess |
| 17:25.15 | fxiny | rioch: manually installed ? |
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| 17:26.03 | vivxone | i am using mint 8 and i install vlc but its not working |
| 17:26.06 | thewanderer1 | Ironhand: it seems that it's gonna pick one to its liking |
| 17:26.07 | Ironhand | simonrvn: hmmmm that inspire a lot of confidence... any idea if there's a way to manually specify which .iso to use? (couldn't find it during the installer process, maybe it can be specified as a boot commandline option?) |
| 17:26.19 | simonrvn | i don't know |
| 17:26.25 | thewanderer1 | Ironhand: refer to the manual |
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| 17:26.33 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:26.36 | lamah | is waiting for 6.0 |
| 17:26.44 | thewanderer1 | failing that, the source will tell you the definite absolute truths |
| 17:26.50 | simonrvn | !mint |
| 17:26.50 | dpkg | Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not Debian and we are unable to assist. http://linuxmint.com/forum http://www.linuxmint.com/ #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 17:27.37 | gnarface | Ironhand: i think you're going about it wrong. i think you want to dd the iso images to individual partitions and set up a proper boot loader to select from them |
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| 17:28.10 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: I assume he's using debian installer and debian installer doesn't work like that... |
| 17:28.47 | Ironhand | gnarface: well, it works fine putting a single image + syslinux + kernel + initrd on a fat partition, and I use other partitions on the stick for other purposes, I'd rather not mess around with that |
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| 17:30.47 | gnarface | thewanderer1: why wouldn't it, if you had several debian installers on the same media? |
| 17:30.56 | gnarface | is there an easier way to do that? |
| 17:31.01 | Ironhand | thewanderer1: I'm referring to the manual, however so far I've only found section 4.3 saying "The installation image and the CD image must be based on the same release of debian-installer. If they do not match you are likely to get errors[4] during the installation." |
| 17:31.03 | smv | Ironhand, i'd just keep the image files there, but rename them, and have only one .iso at a given time |
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| 17:31.52 | Ironhand | smv: that though crossed my mind too... but I'm trying to find a way that allows me to choose the right installer purely from the initial syslinux boot menu |
| 17:32.27 | Ironhand | I'm intending to use it to install a relatively large number of systems with different archs/debian versions on different systems |
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| 17:32.54 | gnarface | eh, i can't say i've tried anything like that |
| 17:33.05 | Ironhand | guess I should look into the debian installer sourcecode to see how it detects the image |
| 17:33.17 | thewanderer1 | yes, definitely. |
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| 17:34.51 | smv | Ironhand, you'd need to boot once with the current .iso, open a shell, mount the partition, rename the file you want to use, and reboot with the new .iso in place. less than 5 minutes for a change i think |
| 17:35.11 | fxiny | rioch: local/obsolete should be "~o" , try : aptitude search '~i!~o' |
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| 17:36.52 | gnarface | is there a way you can read the parameters passed to the syslinux boot kernel from a bash script? |
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| 17:37.18 | Ironhand | yes, through /proc/cmdline |
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| 17:38.07 | gnarface | maybe you could do something dirty like add a bash script that auto-runs at boot time and checks the kernel parameters and renames the .iso images accordingly? |
| 17:38.12 | Ironhand | smv: yes, that'd work, but given how little the Debian installer actually asks these days it'd quickly end up doubling the amount of user input required during installation... given that I'm looking at installing a relatively large number of systems it'd be a fair amount of overhead to do that every time |
| 17:38.25 | simonrvn | or stick them in a sub-dir, and mv the one you want out to / |
| 17:38.46 | thewanderer1 | Ironhand: for a large number of systems, network them together and use FAI |
| 17:38.52 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 17:38.56 | gnarface | it's fairly easy to add a bash script to the syslinux boot process, right? |
| 17:38.58 | Ironhand | gnarface: yeah, that could work... no idea how to make it auto-run within the boot sequence though |
| 17:39.24 | gnarface | i don't know syslinux really well. i don't suppose it has an rc.local or something like that does it? |
| 17:39.31 | Ironhand | hmmmm, I'd say a bash script has to be run by the system booted in question, so it'd have to be in the initrd somewhere... can't really run bash scripts before the kernel has booted |
| 17:39.33 | thewanderer1 | syslinux is a bootloader, come on! |
| 17:39.43 | thewanderer1 | you add scripts to the initrd, not syslinux |
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| 17:40.00 | gnarface | thewanderer1: sorry :( |
| 17:40.11 | Ironhand | thewanderer1: problem is that networking the systems all together isn't practical in my situation (many on independent networks) |
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| 17:40.34 | thewanderer1 | alright. I think that a "grep -d recurse iso ." will help you find the proper script in the initramfs source |
| 17:40.37 | Ironhand | from the sounds of it, I think I'd best check out the installer sources - might just be it picks the right iso by default |
| 17:41.32 | Ironhand | if it checks debian-${VER}-${ARCH}-netinst.iso before it checks *.iso then it's already sorted anyway |
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| 17:49.04 | thewanderer1 | I've plugged in the ethernet cable into the port now, and it won't light the LED up |
| 17:49.22 | thewanderer1 | how do I disable power saving on ethernet? |
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| 17:52.22 | fruitwerks | I am havig some trouble with sudo... for now (testing) I have user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL, and it is not working |
| 17:52.53 | _Dave123_ | Anyone in here using VNC for debian? |
| 17:52.58 | fruitwerks | I su to user (www-data actually) and I attempt to sudo something and it asks for a password |
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| 17:53.41 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks: try ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 17:53.45 | fruitwerks | actually what doesn't work is this : sudo -H -u mike sh /installers/test.sh |
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| 17:55.42 | fruitwerks | ok now it works hmm.. I can't have all though... wth.. now it works |
| 17:55.47 | fruitwerks | crazy.. thanks |
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| 17:56.30 | sylar | is there any public dns that spamhaus don't ban? |
| 17:56.45 | thewanderer1 | what do you mean by public DNS? |
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| 17:57.16 | thewanderer1 | you most probably need to use your ISP's reverse records |
| 17:57.41 | sylar | my ISP has a problem, i look for alternative |
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| 17:58.41 | sylar | I think I found one |
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| 18:10.47 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: Some people use google's dns servers, they're free. |
| 18:10.51 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: You can just google |
| 18:10.58 | jhutchins_lt | "free dns server" and you'll get lists. |
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| 18:17.01 | jhutchins_lt | ... |
| 18:17.05 | Dweezahr | When comparing Debian to Centos, which one is more secure? |
| 18:17.29 | Elshar_ | Whichever one is run by a more competent person. |
| 18:17.41 | Dweezahr | standard install? |
| 18:17.51 | jhutchins_lt | Dweezahr: Niether is securre. |
| 18:17.51 | Dweezahr | i have used openbsd, so i understand what you say |
| 18:18.30 | jhutchins_lt | Both contain adequate tools for securing the system if used intelligently. |
| 18:18.44 | Elshar_ | Honestly, they are probably roughly equal in secureness on a default install |
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| 18:19.43 | Dweezahr | debian uses newer kernel version isn't? |
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| 18:20.20 | simonrvn | "doesn't it" |
| 18:20.40 | Dweezahr | yes, you're right |
| 18:20.54 | oskar- | Dweezahr: yes, but rhel kernels are heavily patched... so you can't compare them easily |
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| 18:22.57 | Dweezahr | the patched kernel has given me problems with software |
| 18:23.09 | Dweezahr | so that's a good reason to choose debian over centos |
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| 18:24.34 | jhutchins_lt | Dweezahr: Debian is an actively developed distribution in it's own right, whereas Centos is derived from RHEL, and they claim it is simply recompiled with the name strings chaged. |
| 18:24.36 | thewanderer1 | Debian has just pulled about 400 patches in for me |
| 18:24.46 | thewanderer1 | now you're calling CentOS things heavily patched |
| 18:24.59 | Dweezahr | centos has more than 2000 |
| 18:25.06 | thewanderer1 | oh, then it makes sense. |
| 18:25.07 | jhutchins_lt | Dweezahr: Accordingly, CentOS is largely unable to provide information or support for the distribution, and they generally deny any responsibility for it. |
| 18:25.08 | Dweezahr | that's insane |
| 18:25.16 | Dweezahr | you can't patch the kernel for nat traversal |
| 18:25.22 | Dweezahr | because the file is already patched |
| 18:25.27 | Dweezahr | so the patch doesn't work |
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| 18:26.13 | Dweezahr | debian uses a kernel that already support nat-traversal, >2.6.23 |
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| 18:32.03 | pallgone | is debian targeted for servers or just general? |
| 18:32.24 | Dweezahr | debian is allround |
| 18:34.25 | thewanderer1 | it runs on servers, desktops, laptops and mobile phones |
| 18:34.38 | pallgone | yeah, but on the desktop it's a bit behind, yes, you can use backports, but it's not very convenient. squeeze is very cool now, but it will be outdated very quickly |
| 18:34.55 | thewanderer1 | is using sid and is quite happy |
| 18:35.26 | pallgone | I think something should be done about this. we shouldn't let ubuntu catch all the fish |
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| 18:35.36 | fxiny | here comes the happy stable desktop user |
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| 18:36.11 | thewanderer1 | pallgone: Ubuntu is not popular for being current - it is popular because it works out of the box on any hardware |
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| 18:36.27 | thewanderer1 | and we're not getting non-free drivers in the default install anytime soon, I hope |
| 18:36.28 | sweetpi | some of the fish need to be tossed back in the water anyway |
| 18:36.36 | thewanderer1 | ^ what he said |
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| 18:36.43 | fxiny | is popular because of marketing |
| 18:37.02 | Dweezahr | because there are a lot of noobs on ubuntu |
| 18:37.03 | Dweezahr | no really |
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| 18:38.21 | fxiny | i remember mandrake or what they call it now for being easy to install |
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| 18:38.44 | aaroninfidel | How can I set the time on my box? I've set the timezone using tzselect but it still reads 9:38AM when I want it to read 11:38AM |
| 18:38.47 | pallgone | I'm not sure, but I think it could benefit debian if there would be something brought up to target the desktop along the normal release cycle |
| 18:38.57 | fxiny | popularity in 2010 means only media ads |
| 18:39.08 | thewanderer1 | aaroninfidel: use ntp |
| 18:39.20 | fxiny | so it makes no sense in a technical point of view |
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| 18:40.07 | pallgone | but I don't know much about all of it, so I'm not qualified to know |
| 18:40.16 | aaroninfidel | thewanderer1: can you explain how to use it? =] |
| 18:40.53 | pallgone | are the debian developers discussing something like that? |
| 18:41.06 | thewanderer1 | aaroninfidel: apt-get install ntp |
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| 18:42.45 | aaroninfidel | thewanderer1: ok, installed it now when I type date it reads like this "Wed Aug 4 10:12:00 EDT 2010" when it should read 11:42:00 PST |
| 18:43.00 | thewanderer1 | then you have the wrong timezone set ;P |
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| 18:43.55 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, then ntp <apoolname> (there's /usr/share/doc/ntp may be examples.. http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/north-america ) |
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| 18:44.12 | ix | Hm. Is there any way I can specify which architecture I want to download files for with "aptitude download"? I am on a i386 system and want to download packages for amd64. |
| 18:44.45 | aaroninfidel | zebradog: where is the config file? |
| 18:45.23 | zebradog | ix, then make a separate setting file, cache folder and download for that architecture (use -f and ignore dependencies) |
| 18:45.37 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, should be there (dpkg -L ntp) |
| 18:45.51 | fxiny | zebradog: hey , remember what you told me about ext3 being confused by rewriting too many times same name files ? almost all of my corrupted files were like this |
| 18:45.52 | Dweezahr | ix, that won't work |
| 18:45.59 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, i never bothered.. i just set the time once manually |
| 18:46.00 | Dweezahr | ix, but you can yes |
| 18:46.03 | aaroninfidel | zebradog: found it in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 18:46.15 | ix | Hm. Maybe I should just do it manually. |
| 18:46.18 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, if you do it just once you dont need to setup the conf file.. |
| 18:46.20 | fxiny | zebradog: but i found the hd wire loose |
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| 18:46.54 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, here on my multiboot i use hwclock and use UTC=yes in some other conf file.. |
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| 18:47.26 | zebradog | fxiny, does e2fsck say anything? |
| 18:47.43 | zebradog | fxiny, it may be a faulty app.. so you should send to both app and ext3 dev teams |
| 18:47.46 | vagn | is this a good place to ask about setting up a local repository? |
| 18:48.06 | aaroninfidel | can someone explain to me how I can set my time in debian? I'm so confused :/ |
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| 18:48.47 | thewanderer1 | aaroninfidel: are you dual-booting with Windows? |
| 18:48.54 | aaroninfidel | thewanderer1: no its a server |
| 18:48.56 | vagn | aaroninfidel: easy way, if you have a constant internet conection, is install the ntp package |
| 18:49.23 | aaroninfidel | vagn: ok I have a constant internet connection, but when I execute the date command it still reads the invalid time. |
| 18:49.38 | thewanderer1 | have you set your timezone correctly? |
| 18:50.00 | aaroninfidel | thewanderer1: I believe so, I used tzselect before I installed ntp |
| 18:50.03 | fxiny | zebradog: it looks like hardware fault , hd going to sleep , ending in files corruption |
| 18:50.12 | thewanderer1 | aaroninfidel: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 18:50.23 | thewanderer1 | select your current timezone now and check |
| 18:50.40 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, you use set your timezone (tzselect?), then you can type "ntp <a poolserver from site i mentioned>") (eg: ntp 0.north-america.pool.ntp.org), if that doesnt work there may be another that works like ntp 0.debian.pool.ntp.org) |
| 18:50.48 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, that's a lazy one shot deal.. |
| 18:51.18 | fxiny | zebradog: i'm monitoring kern.log since three days ago , to check immediately after the failure happening . so far nothing wrong |
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| 18:51.21 | thewanderer1 | zebradog: ntp is not ntpdate I think |
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| 18:51.53 | fxiny | zebradog: the UTC=yes file you were talking is /etc/default/rcS |
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| 18:52.01 | zebradog | fxiny, what are you mirroring? you using rsync and cp and getting those messed up files? |
| 18:52.01 | vagn | so I can install from my local repo, but it always complains about the packages being unsigned |
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| 18:52.23 | aaroninfidel | thewanderer1: -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
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| 18:52.31 | vagn | however, I have signd the Release file |
| 18:52.37 | thewanderer1 | aaroninfidel: you are supposed to do that as root |
| 18:52.39 | zebradog | fxiny, in my case i use it. i have each of my Oses set to UC |
| 18:52.44 | zebradog | ,/UTC/UC |
| 18:53.08 | vagn | however, again, in /var/lib/apt/lists I have my packages file, but I don't see the Release or Release.gpg file |
| 18:53.18 | vagn | and I'm running out of troubleshooting ideas |
| 18:53.25 | fxiny | zebradog: no more cp or plain rsync , i run rsync in dry mode | deleting , or normal and --delete --exclude-from=whitelist |
| 18:53.43 | vagn | anyone know what I might have missed? |
| 18:54.30 | zebradog | fxiny, so try disabling any sleepmode, and try to work up against dadumdata.. if sleepmode=0 then you know something is fishy not hardware related |
| 18:54.38 | fxiny | zebradog: i put all files i care in the whitelist so if a file is not readeable rsync won't delete it by reading the whitelist |
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| 18:55.49 | fxiny | zebradog: never enabled sleep mode , is the kernell polling which report hd missing/sleeping |
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| 18:56.35 | fxiny | zebradog: there is this nice --delete --exclude-from=whitelist which does exactly what i want |
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| 18:56.51 | zebradog | fxiny, dunno i'm just guessing to put ulimit to none... |
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| 18:57.07 | vagn | aaroninfidel: date 08041456 && hwclock -w |
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| 18:57.14 | aaroninfidel | thewanderer1: ok so I did it, but the time on my mysql database is still reading the wrong time... do I have to do it under the web user account? |
| 18:57.33 | vagn | aaroninfidel: but really, look into setting up ntp |
| 18:57.39 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, try restarting the database |
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| 19:04.37 | aaroninfidel | zebradog: it says the ntp command is not found. |
| 19:04.54 | aaroninfidel | for ntp 0.us.pool.ntp.org |
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| 19:05.31 | peekay | where can i find the boot log? |
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| 19:06.06 | fxiny | peekay: edit /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 19:06.20 | vagn | peekay: type dmesg |
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| 19:06.45 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, try su - or login from username: prompt as root, ntp may be in /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 19:06.46 | moldovean | !bootlog |
| 19:06.46 | dpkg | from memory, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 19:06.49 | vagn | there's also syslog and messages (and daemon.log) and others under /var/log |
| 19:06.55 | aaroninfidel | sudo su |
| 19:07.05 | zebradog | aalex_laptop, sudo su - |
| 19:07.10 | zebradog | aaroninfidel, ^ |
| 19:07.17 | peekay | thanx |
| 19:07.33 | zebradog | (same as "su -l") |
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| 19:07.49 | zebradog | it means parse login scripts.. which should set /sbin and /usr/sbin in $PATH |
| 19:08.06 | aaroninfidel | zebradog: this is the commands ntp returns ntpd ntpdc ntp-keygen ntpq ntpsweep ntptime ntptrace ntp-wait |
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| 19:08.39 | peekay | how can i find information about a specific module? |
| 19:09.06 | Dweezahr | #flood |
| 19:09.30 | vagn | peekay: like what, aptitude show ntp? |
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| 19:09.48 | peekay | i'm trying to disable the 'drm' module, but i get 'FATAL: Module drm is in use'. i can't get to fix this, even by shutting down x completely |
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| 19:10.37 | peekay | i don't know what the drm module is |
| 19:10.58 | moldovean | !drm |
| 19:10.58 | dpkg | drm is probably Direct Rendering Manager, a <DRI> component (http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DRM, http://dri.sf.net/doc/drm_low_level.html), or Digital Rights Management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management) |
| 19:11.17 | aaroninfidel | !ntp |
| 19:11.17 | dpkg | [ntp] Network Time Protocol, a protocol for synchronizing clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <openntpd>, <pool.ntp>, <squeeze ntp>. |
| 19:12.01 | peekay | !dri |
| 19:12.01 | dpkg | well, dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ #dri on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:12.12 | peekay | !xorg.conf |
| 19:12.12 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
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| 19:14.05 | vagn | !xeyes |
| 19:14.23 | vagn | hmm, not sure how that ! stuff works :-) |
| 19:14.38 | thewanderer1 | vagn: dpkg knows some things, but it's just a bot :P |
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| 19:22.48 | laust | Hi everyone |
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| 19:29.03 | laust | in rcconf i have services that look redundant to me, like gdm, gdm3, kdm, or like postgresql and postgresql-8.3. Is there a nice debian way to clean this up or do i have to go in manually? |
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| 19:34.30 | oskar- | has anyone ever heard of a bug in Linux, that makes a system unusable just because of having mounted/swaponed a very small amount of swap space? (while have enough free ram) |
| 19:34.51 | laust | oskar-> i haven't |
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| 19:35.46 | nsadmin | laust, what's rcconf and where/which package does it come from? what gdms, what kdms and what postgresses do you have installed? are they necessary (for example, do you have several different pgs with different dbs)? |
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| 19:36.31 | laust | nsadmin> rcconf comes from the rcconf package, and it shows in what i think is a curse interface the services to start at boot |
| 19:37.09 | nsadmin | so it manages /etc/{rc?.d,init.d}? |
| 19:37.26 | laust | nsadmin> for the installed version i'm trying to find out how to determine exactly which ones are installed |
| 19:37.39 | amee2k | mmmh |
| 19:37.58 | nsadmin | while this won't be definitive, look in /etc/init.d and compare to names of installed packages |
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| 19:38.05 | amee2k | how do i run the X auto-configuration thing manually? |
| 19:38.16 | laust | i guess it does manage the rc?.d stuff |
| 19:38.22 | nsadmin | manual-auto? |
| 19:38.54 | amee2k | my system just went down in a rather stange way, and now my x server refuses to start. |
| 19:38.56 | nsadmin | laust: so, the display of rcconf reflects what's in init.d? |
| 19:39.06 | amee2k | says it can't find the modules type1, nvidia and glx |
| 19:39.10 | laust | nsadmin> yes it does, i have all those in init.d |
| 19:39.15 | karbonize | Hello, I run squeeze. I used to run 64-bit squeeze & recently got 32-bit. When I run benchmarks it reports my CPU speed as 1000 Megs whereas earlier on 64-bit it used to report it as 2009 Mhz |
| 19:39.46 | amee2k | so how can i retrigger the auto configuration so i can at least get it to start up and run the nvidia config tool |
| 19:39.53 | laust | nsadmin> what i would like to know is if some of those scripts could be leftovers from an update |
| 19:39.55 | nsadmin | laust, ok, so a "clean up" of what you see in rcconf involves a "clean up" of what's in /etc/init.d? |
| 19:40.27 | laust | nsadmin> yes most likely rcconf is just an interface that reads the directories contents |
| 19:40.28 | nsadmin | yes, debian{traditionally}, they are "conffiles" |
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| 19:41.28 | Arrowmaster | laust: also maybe run `aptitude search ~c` and check if some of the stuff you are seeing is listed there |
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| 19:41.49 | nsadmin | before asking you too many more questions designed to increase your curiousity without bound, I'll just caution you against altering files in certain places (like /usr) with rm |
| 19:42.28 | laust | nsadmin> i am experienced enough to not play too much with rm :-D |
| 19:42.58 | laust | (which means i had bad experiences in the past with rm ;-) ) |
| 19:43.00 | nsadmin | ahh, once you have reached that pinnacle, it's time to introduce the "rm" command :) |
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| 19:43.41 | laust | lol |
| 19:43.42 | nsadmin | but usually not before... anyway... seriously... |
| 19:44.13 | nsadmin | so, usually debian packaging is what drops files into /etc/init.d |
| 19:44.19 | laust | Arrowmaster> indeed some are there |
| 19:44.44 | laust | nsadmin> yes i got that, and i've read that /etc/rcX.d/ are symlinks to those scripts |
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| 19:45.22 | amee2k | something is strange |
| 19:45.44 | amee2k | how do i reinstall the entire X11 system, including all modules? |
| 19:45.50 | nsadmin | and if you have dpkg --remove without --purge some of them, then remnants of those packages (the conffiles, which could include files in /etc and scripts in /etc/init.d among others) will not be removed |
| 19:45.51 | Arrowmaster | laust: yeah everything in that list from `aptitude search ~c` is in whats called a 'configured but not installed' state meaning it was once installed but was removed and the conf files have been left behind, this includes files being left in /etc/init.d |
| 19:46.40 | nsadmin | o/~ I once was removed, but now I'm installed... |
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| 19:47.06 | laust | Arrowmaster> got it. Is it synonym for "wrongly done uninstall"? |
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| 19:47.35 | hithere | php channel is not working, could anyone help with a simple question? |
| 19:48.07 | thewanderer1 | hithere: PHP channel is working, but you have to register your nick to enter there. |
| 19:48.14 | thewanderer1 | hithere: other than that, you can PM me. |
| 19:48.22 | hithere | thanks a lot |
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| 19:51.52 | laust | nsadmin> is aptitude purging those uninstalled but still configured packages safe enough? |
| 19:52.37 | iron84 | if I installing from experimental linux kernel 2.6.35-rc6. When this kernel is stable (always in experimental and nothing "rc6") , this package upgarde alone? |
| 19:54.14 | nsadmin | laust: well, let's take the postgres ones as a fairly extreme case of NONONO... |
| 19:54.21 | thewanderer1 | iron84: breaking news! 2.6.35 is already stable and experimental has an outdated version :P |
| 19:54.40 | nsadmin | if you purge a database package like pg... it will probably take the data with it |
| 19:54.44 | thewanderer1 | (besides, it won't install anything unless you ask it to do so) |
| 19:54.59 | laust | nsadmin> i haven't created any db yet :-) |
| 19:55.04 | nsadmin | this would be safe if you haven't made any databases (or a package hasn't) |
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| 19:55.28 | laust | and i have postgresql-8.4 installed |
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| 19:55.53 | iron84 | thewanderer1: i know, but I don't want recompile it :( |
| 19:56.12 | thewanderer1 | iron84: be a man! :P |
| 19:56.25 | nsadmin | wouldn't that require surgery?! |
| 19:56.33 | thewanderer1 | (if you're using experimental, you're either man or mad.) |
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| 19:57.11 | s1kx | why does ulimit -n still show 1024 after modifying /etc/security/limits.conf, /etc/sysctl.conf and rebooting? |
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| 19:57.47 | nsadmin | ok, so... I have recently succeeded in building grub2 packages under lenny when the source came from sid... |
| 19:58.19 | nsadmin | so I want to install them now and create a rescue cd (isn't that what grub-rescue-pc is for?) |
| 19:58.29 | nsadmin | could someone walk me thru that |
| 19:58.38 | iron84 | thewanderer1: yes, I have testing from base, and i have in sources.list the unstable / experimental repository. When i need package from this repo, whit pinning i install |
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| 20:02.24 | laust | nsadmin> i'm on grub 2 but didn't try the rescue cd stuff.. I rely on the force to protect my boot |
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| 20:03.20 | nsadmin | the force of friction of shoelaces? |
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| 20:04.25 | nsadmin | oh... the force... "You choose how to feel and act every moment of every day. The moment you accept this responsibility completely, you gain total control over your life." |
| 20:04.26 | Neicho | hy guys what is the best way to check if cron job is working on debian |
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| 20:05.22 | nsadmin | find evidence the cron job ran |
| 20:05.22 | laust | nsadmin> i hope it's a bit stronger than shoelaces... otherwise i better do a rescue cd right now! |
| 20:05.22 | Neicho | hmm u mean logs? |
| 20:05.38 | nsadmin | well shoelaces are actually just enough to keep your boot on your foot... |
| 20:06.12 | nsadmin | Neicho: sure... or, what does your cron job do? |
| 20:06.23 | Neicho | it only executes php file |
| 20:06.24 | thewanderer1 | guys, why exactly are my kernel sources taking up 4,8GB of space during the compile? |
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| 20:06.35 | nsadmin | what does the php file do? |
| 20:06.38 | laust | nsadmin> yeah but they do break every now and then so.... |
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| 20:06.42 | Neicho | truncate mysql table |
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| 20:07.25 | nsadmin | then you would need to prove (a) that data was originally in that table and (b) that subsequently there was no data |
| 20:07.55 | nsadmin | this is not quite sufficient to prove the cron job worked tho. |
| 20:08.10 | nsadmin | because: there are other ways the table could be emptied |
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| 20:08.37 | Neicho | yeah what if i try to just put line to execute wall text |
| 20:08.50 | Neicho | i read something about this |
| 20:08.55 | nsadmin | or just have it output something |
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| 20:09.08 | nsadmin | like: echo "killroy was here" |
| 20:09.30 | Neicho | hmm yeah but i cant see the text actually |
| 20:09.34 | nsadmin | that text ("killroy was here") goes to stdout |
| 20:09.43 | nsadmin | stdout of a cron job is emailed |
| 20:09.58 | oskar- | as well as stderr |
| 20:10.05 | Neicho | isnt wall text easiest to test |
| 20:10.11 | Neicho | if its working |
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| 20:10.29 | nsadmin | you coudl try it |
| 20:10.30 | jtheuer | hi, what is the difference between running /etc/init.d/rc.local start as root manually and running it on startup? in rc.local I call another shell script and redirect the stdout to a logfile. after booting I only find the echo lines in the logfile (so the script is executed) but nothing else is executed (like a wget command). any ideas? |
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| 20:10.37 | Neicho | or something like that |
| 20:10.38 | Neicho | date +"%D %r 'echo Cron completed'" >> /tmp/cron_job.log |
| 20:11.03 | Neicho | good i ll try this one than we will see |
| 20:11.14 | nsadmin | jtheuer: probably the same difference the mind perceives a real event versus an imagined event |
| 20:11.18 | nsadmin | NONE |
| 20:11.53 | nsadmin | Neicho: sure, you could do that too |
| 20:12.33 | nsadmin | I'm not sure rc.local needs an argument tho |
| 20:13.20 | nsadmin | or maybe it does, didn't read them yet |
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| 20:17.57 | aPpYe_ | on a fresh install, when I only chose "standard system utilities," I boot into the system for the first time, run tasksel, and I see that "Mail server" is installed... Why is this? |
| 20:18.13 | aPpYe_ | I used the testing business card install. |
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| 20:20.21 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it detects the MTA and thinks that it's a definitive sign that you have a mail server |
| 20:20.32 | aPpYe_ | thewanderer1: mta? |
| 20:20.37 | thewanderer1 | mail transfer agent |
| 20:20.45 | thewanderer1 | dpkg --list exim* |
| 20:20.45 | dpkg | no idea, thewanderer1 |
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| 20:21.00 | thewanderer1 | ^ I wasn't asking him |
| 20:21.47 | aPpYe_ | for dpkg output, ii means insalled? |
| 20:21.55 | aPpYe_ | several items came up as installed... |
| 20:22.21 | aPpYe_ | or at least ii anyway. |
| 20:24.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah, ii is installed |
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| 20:24.44 | aPpYe_ | does this happen with stable install as well? I ask because I used testing (as opposed to upgrading to testing from stable) because I wanted ext4 |
| 20:24.55 | Neicho | why i am keep geting this |
| 20:24.56 | Neicho | crontab: installing new crontab |
| 20:24.56 | Neicho | "/tmp/crontab.vWFr6u/crontab":3: bad minute |
| 20:24.56 | Neicho | errors in crontab file, can't install. |
| 20:24.56 | Neicho | Do you want to retry the same edit? |
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| 20:25.12 | thewanderer1 | MTA is installed by default as almost every package recommends or suggests it |
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| 20:25.23 | thewanderer1 | it's a real pain and I don't see why I would want an MTA on my system |
| 20:25.26 | Neicho | ah got kicked didnt know i shoulnt past |
| 20:25.27 | thewanderer1 | especially on desktops! |
| 20:25.33 | aPpYe_ | exactly. |
| 20:25.41 | Benkinooby | are the icedove/ice* version numbers in line with the mozilla version numbers? like icedove 2.0.0.24 matches thunderbird 2.0.0.24 |
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| 20:25.48 | thewanderer1 | Benkinooby: yes. |
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| 20:26.09 | Neicho | why i m getting this error all the time crontab: installing new crontab "/tmp/crontab.vWFr6u/crontab":3: bad minute errors in crontab file, can't install. Do you want to retry the same edit? |
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| 20:26.24 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe_: still, it's the desired behaviour - you can remove exim4 if you want. |
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| 20:26.55 | Neicho | becouse of this line something: date +"%D %r 'echo Cron completed'" >> /tmp/cron_job.log |
| 20:26.58 | aPpYe_ | thewanderer1: well, this is something that also happens on the stable install then? |
| 20:27.05 | thewanderer1 | most probably yes |
| 20:27.16 | thewanderer1 | I haven't done stable installs on a desktop for long |
| 20:27.17 | aPpYe_ | thewanderer1: I will probably remove it through tasksel. |
| 20:27.20 | thewanderer1 | lemme check with my server |
| 20:27.58 | thewanderer1 | yeah, mail server is checked by default |
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| 20:28.46 | Benkinooby | thewanderer1: thank you. |
| 20:28.56 | aPpYe_ | whoa ... I chose manual install. this ncurses aptitude inteface is a little ...confusing? |
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| 20:29.27 | aPpYe_ | does aptitude remove all orphaned dependancies as well? |
| 20:29.31 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 20:31.05 | Neicho | is there anything else needed from crontaks to work on fresh new server or only install from package and thats all? |
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| 20:32.55 | Neicho | anyone? |
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| 20:39.15 | Tramp | Neicho: man 5 crontab, check what "%" means |
| 20:39.31 | Neicho | does anyone know why cron is not working even if i installed it as it has to be i think ... i have put in crontab -e : * * * * * wall testtttttttttttttttttttttttttttt |
| 20:39.39 | Neicho | i deleted that one its waste |
| 20:39.47 | oskar- | Neicho: try: echo test | wall |
| 20:40.07 | Neicho | how to write that command |
| 20:40.15 | Neicho | * * * * * echo test | wall? |
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| 20:40.24 | Tommy_DO | Hmm... How can I configure KDM from KDE4? In KDE3's control-center there was a button to su to root, but in KDE4 its missing. |
| 20:40.47 | oskar- | Neicho: yes, but i don't know if cron can setup such a pipe |
| 20:40.53 | oskar- | i would just try it |
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| 20:43.11 | Neicho | hmm sems to be working |
| 20:43.24 | Neicho | Broadcast Message from root@IS-12188 (somewhere) at 21:43 ... test |
| 20:43.49 | oskar- | Neicho: good, according to the description it also should, because the sixth field is passed to /bin/sh or the specified shell |
| 20:44.29 | Neicho | yeah but vierd why it doesnt want to execute this one : 0 23 * * * php /var/www/cron.php |
| 20:45.15 | Neicho | its written correctly right |
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| 20:46.08 | oskar- | Neicho: is php in one of the paths of $PATH? |
| 20:46.15 | Neicho | nop |
| 20:46.20 | Neicho | its for CGI |
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| 20:46.54 | Neicho | some systems needs php before some dont |
| 20:46.58 | oskar- | Neicho: then you should specify the complete path to the php interpreter |
| 20:47.11 | Neicho | but this is whole path... |
| 20:47.30 | Neicho | 0 23 * * * php /var/www/cron.php |
| 20:47.46 | oskar- | Neicho: php is an executable, the interpreter. /var/www/cron.php is the to be interpreted script |
| 20:48.04 | oskar- | Neicho: you need to specify the full path to the executable "php", too |
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| 20:48.08 | oskar- | (maybe) |
| 20:48.19 | Neicho | hm i am not realy sure about this |
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| 20:48.34 | oskar- | Neicho: see, where "php" is with "which php" |
| 20:48.36 | Neicho | maybe i can try is |
| 20:48.45 | Neicho | without php |
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| 20:49.24 | oskar- | Neicho: then the beginning of the file has to be "#!/path/to/intepreter [...]" |
| 20:49.27 | broys | php as binary doesnt exist on lenny afair |
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| 20:49.45 | broys | http://pastebin.com/0p4z2AbB |
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| 20:50.54 | jelly-hme | lolwut |
| 20:50.57 | Neicho | but vierd that this line worked on previous server : 0 23 * * * php /var/www/cron.php |
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| 20:51.12 | broys | maybe u used an older debian image |
| 20:51.24 | jelly-hme | ,file bin/php5 |
| 20:51.27 | judd | bin/php5 in lenny/i386: php5-cgi: usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5; php5-cli: usr/bin/php5; php5-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/php5, usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 |
| 20:51.46 | jelly-hme | broys: ^^ |
| 20:52.09 | Neicho | hmmm |
| 20:52.24 | broys | jelly-hme got no bin in that dirs |
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| 20:52.36 | broys | as u can see i got php5 |
| 20:52.39 | broys | above |
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| 20:53.21 | jelly-hme | the bot doesn't know about the alternatives system unfortunately |
| 20:53.57 | broys | im using an netinstallimage of debian |
| 20:54.10 | jelly-hme | /usr/bin/php on my post-lenny laptop exists a symlink. |
| 20:54.31 | jelly-hme | as* a |
| 20:54.34 | broys | its not the first i see some1 asking for php bin |
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| 20:56.51 | jelly-hme | just install php5-cli package |
| 20:57.29 | Argafal | hi, i'm looking for an application which can handle msn videochat. is there something in debian oder for linux at all? |
| 20:57.51 | broys | ah okay, how did u figure it out? |
| 20:57.57 | jelly-hme | broys: you can use apt-file or http://packages.debian.org/ to search for files. |
| 20:58.12 | jelly-hme | broys: or indeed that judd bot, like above |
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| 20:58.28 | broys | um ok, i just used apt-cache - but i was to lazy to watch all these phpstuff |
| 20:58.33 | thewanderer1 | Argafal: aMSN |
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| 20:59.35 | Argafal | thewanderer1: thank you, i'll check it out. |
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| 21:02.04 | thewanderer1 | does wine need ia32 emulation? |
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| 21:02.23 | thewanderer1 | I'm wondering how many things are gonna break if I remove ia32 emulation from the kernel |
| 21:03.00 | Neicho | guys help me with this * * * * * php /var/www/cron.php or * * * * * /var/www/cron.php not working what shall i try ????? |
| 21:03.14 | Neicho | or what could be the problem |
| 21:03.21 | thewanderer1 | php is not in your path. |
| 21:03.37 | Neicho | how to make it than |
| 21:03.47 | thewanderer1 | you don't - just give it the full path in cron. |
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| 21:04.23 | Neicho | i saaid * * * * * php /var/www/cron.php >>>>AND<<< * * * * * /var/www/cron.php NOT WORKING |
| 21:04.26 | Neicho | none is working |
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| 21:04.53 | thewanderer1 | yes, but you are not giving it the full path to the PHP interpreter |
| 21:05.00 | Neicho | oh |
| 21:05.08 | Neicho | could you help me with this one |
| 21:05.12 | Neicho | never did this before |
| 21:05.12 | thewanderer1 | also, if you issue /var/www/cron.php in console, does it work? |
| 21:05.28 | Neicho | let me try |
| 21:05.42 | Neicho | oww |
| 21:05.44 | Neicho | permision denied |
| 21:05.49 | Neicho | forgot to chmod :D |
| 21:06.13 | Neicho | let me see now than i report |
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| 21:07.15 | FrankBrana | hi |
| 21:08.30 | FrankBrana | Im on an old powerpc unsupported machine. Im trying to change the mirror on a debian netinst image, but i cant find the correct file |
| 21:08.31 | dmdfoss | hi |
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| 21:08.53 | FrankBrana | i cant find sources.list, nor nothing understandable in pressed.cfg |
| 21:09.01 | dmdfoss | can U help me in Unbuntu |
| 21:09.18 | fbh | dmdfoss: no |
| 21:09.20 | FrankBrana | I know nothing about ubuntu, sorry chap |
| 21:10.08 | Neicho | thewanderer1> i tried now with chmod and its same |
| 21:10.28 | FrankBrana | My etch installed usent to work here, but since it changed its mirror path, i have to change in on the netinstall, and dunno how. I found nothing on the online docs |
| 21:10.48 | FrankBrana | -nt |
| 21:10.56 | thewanderer1 | Neicho: can you run it from the console? does the script include a hashbang line? |
| 21:11.20 | Neicho | var/www/cron2.php: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `"the-includes/functions.php"' |
| 21:11.20 | Neicho | 'var/www/cron2.php: line 2: `include_once("the-includes/functions.php"); |
| 21:11.46 | Neicho | <?php include_once("the-includes/functions.php"); mysql_query("TRUNCATE TABLE test"); ?> |
| 21:11.51 | Neicho | this is in cron file |
| 21:12.20 | thewanderer1 | then you obviously have a syntax error in your PHP script. |
| 21:12.31 | Neicho | but this was same as before heh |
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| 21:12.45 | Neicho | its normal php file |
| 21:12.48 | thewanderer1 | but you haven't told your system to use PHP to parse it |
| 21:12.55 | Neicho | i see |
| 21:13.01 | thewanderer1 | #!/usr/bin/php -- does this ring a bell? |
| 21:13.01 | Neicho | from console ofc i didnt |
| 21:13.19 | Neicho | hehe let me try |
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| 21:13.57 | jelly-hme | !shebang |
| 21:13.57 | dpkg | shebang is probably the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 21:14.15 | thrashold | Why are people using PHP for scripts :( |
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| 21:14.40 | jelly-hme | because they're not language bigots |
| 21:14.49 | Neicho | why wouldnt we :D |
| 21:14.49 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: because it is a good, versatile scripting language :P |
| 21:14.55 | Z4ndX | Wheres a good place to store scripts for your system ? .. |
| 21:15.07 | Z4ndX | Any special fodler ? |
| 21:15.07 | jelly-hme | Z4ndX: who's going to run them? |
| 21:15.16 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: there are DNS, e-mail, WWW, DHCP, SSH servers in PHP, you know... |
| 21:15.18 | Z4ndX | My self.. at login |
| 21:15.30 | jelly-hme | Z4ndX: only that one user? |
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| 21:15.34 | Z4ndX | Yep .. |
| 21:15.38 | thrashold | thewanderer1: That could only make me sad. |
| 21:15.41 | alteregoa | high |
| 21:15.42 | fbh | Z4ndX: Store them in your home folder |
| 21:15.46 | jelly-hme | Z4ndX: I like having my own ~/bin/ |
| 21:15.48 | nsadmin | or possibly, php is the only language they have tried so far |
| 21:15.51 | alteregoa | someone can recommend a good media renderer? |
| 21:15.51 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: I don't see why you hate PHP so much |
| 21:16.18 | Z4ndX | jelly-hme: Hmm.. Its just so messy.. :) |
| 21:16.19 | thrashold | thewanderer1: I had to write in it three times. |
| 21:16.33 | thewanderer1 | I wrote a WWW server in it and it served my homepage for a year ;P |
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| 21:17.11 | thewanderer1 | sure, it's a matter of a personal preference, but Personal Home Page, or PHP, as some call it, is no longer only a web scripting language. |
| 21:17.15 | Neicho | so this should be the line thewanderer? * * * * * #!/usr/bin/php /var/www/cron2.php |
| 21:17.23 | Flashtek | Is this a right place to ask questions about pakaging .debs ? |
| 21:17.28 | jelly-hme | Neicho: no. |
| 21:17.28 | thewanderer1 | Neicho: no, you're doing it wrong |
| 21:17.29 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Be sure to try COBOL next :P |
| 21:17.32 | Neicho | damn |
| 21:17.42 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: thanks, I don't like jumping out of windows |
| 21:17.54 | Neicho | than i dont have clue |
| 21:18.01 | jelly-hme | Neicho: read that web page, read carefully what dpkg said above about shebang and ASK if you don't understand |
| 21:18.06 | Flashtek | Never programme in a language that can be rearranged to spell BOLOC |
| 21:18.09 | fbh | Neicho: #!/usr/bin/php goes on first line in your PHP file. |
| 21:18.29 | nsadmin | Neicho: you put #! and then the file that contains the executable of the interpreter you want |
| 21:18.39 | fbh | Neicho: And if your cron scripbs are not to be run by users, remove them from a folder that's accessible from web. They don't need to be there for the server to use them |
| 21:19.00 | nsadmin | examples: #!/bin/bash #!/usr/bin/perl #!/usr/bin/php |
| 21:19.00 | Neicho | got it |
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| 21:19.24 | nsadmin | here's a degenerate case for you to try: |
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| 21:19.33 | nsadmin | #!/usr/bin/less |
| 21:19.34 | jelly-hme | Flashtek: yes, but also read /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 21:20.09 | Flashtek | #/msg dpkg mentors |
| 21:20.11 | Flashtek | oops |
| 21:20.50 | Flashtek | this is for a home grown app that we're not making public (yet) |
| 21:21.09 | Flashtek | I'm having some issues with the install |
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| 21:21.46 | jelly-hme | Flashtek: still, standard docs apply even if you're not going for inclusion in debian |
| 21:21.46 | nsadmin | is it your intent to eventually have debian distribute the pkg? |
| 21:21.54 | Neicho | but why it worked on the previous server: php /var/www/cron.php |
| 21:22.03 | Neicho | what is the main thing here |
| 21:22.18 | Neicho | i would rather change to work like before |
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| 21:22.40 | jelly-hme | Neicho: which OS and OS release was there on the previous server? |
| 21:22.48 | Neicho | debian x64 |
| 21:22.51 | Flashtek | it's when it runs the postinst script fires.. it isn't actually unpacking the files prior to running the script.. (or is that by design ?) |
| 21:22.54 | fbh | Neicho: How do you expect us to be able to tell you why your new server does not react the exact same way as your old server? |
| 21:23.02 | Neicho | hehe |
| 21:23.06 | jelly-hme | Neicho: which release of debian? 4.0? 5.0? |
| 21:23.09 | Neicho | 5 |
| 21:23.12 | fbh | My best guess is: cause you did not set it up the same way |
| 21:23.21 | Flashtek | nods at fbh |
| 21:23.28 | jelly-hme | Neicho: and the new one is also a debian 5? |
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| 21:23.31 | Neicho | yeah but the problem is that i didnt setup the first serv |
| 21:23.33 | Neicho | yep |
| 21:23.39 | alteregoa | !calc 3600 x 24 |
| 21:23.39 | Neicho | but 32 bit |
| 21:23.42 | Neicho | if matters |
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| 21:23.54 | jelly-hme | Neicho: did you install the same set of packages? |
| 21:23.59 | fbh | Then how can you tell that the new server is "doing it wrong" compared to the old one, when you don't know what was set up on the old one? |
| 21:24.06 | Neicho | as i said i didnt setup first server |
| 21:24.22 | Neicho | but there should be allmost same |
| 21:24.25 | jelly-hme | Neicho: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 21:24.32 | Neicho | maybe i forgot something and now i am trying to find out what |
| 21:24.54 | nsadmin | Neicho: either your web server is configured to see a file that matches "*.php" as a php script and THE WEB SERVER RUNS IT, ==OR== you make it a cgi script (which outputs browser headers that state what kind of content, then writes content of that kind) |
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| 21:25.18 | Neicho | ow |
| 21:25.20 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: none of that is relevant for a cron job |
| 21:25.23 | nsadmin | and the web server runs it like a script |
| 21:25.24 | Neicho | so cgi is not installed |
| 21:25.33 | Neicho | enabled* |
| 21:25.34 | nsadmin | or php handling is not installed |
| 21:25.37 | Neicho | hm |
| 21:25.49 | jelly-hme | Neicho: as for the cron job, do you have php5-cli installed? |
| 21:26.11 | Neicho | i instaled php yeah |
| 21:26.19 | nsadmin | not just php |
| 21:26.21 | Neicho | is cli something special? |
| 21:26.25 | jelly-hme | Neicho: that's not what I asked. |
| 21:26.29 | Neicho | oh |
| 21:26.32 | Neicho | didnt knew about that |
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| 21:26.42 | fbh | You must install the php5-cli package to run php from your shell |
| 21:26.45 | nsadmin | yes, it's needed to run php outside of the web server |
| 21:26.59 | Neicho | well but still website works anyways... |
| 21:27.06 | nsadmin | OR to run php AS A CGI in the web server |
| 21:27.12 | jelly-hme | Neicho: for the cron job, do you have php5-cli installed? |
| 21:27.21 | Neicho | no i guess i dont |
| 21:27.27 | jelly-hme | Neicho: don't guess. |
| 21:27.32 | nsadmin | but as jelly-hme implies, we don't think your script is a cgi script |
| 21:27.33 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: for CGI, you use php5-cgi |
| 21:27.58 | jelly-hme | Neicho: if you don't know how to do something, ASK. |
| 21:28.10 | jelly-hme | Neicho: do you know how to check if a package is installed? |
| 21:28.30 | Neicho | can you tell me i am gogling how to install php5-cgi |
| 21:28.33 | nsadmin | even more, we are more thinking you want it to be a cron job, NOT a web script of any kind |
| 21:28.44 | thewanderer1 | Neicho: aptitude install php5-cli |
| 21:29.05 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: "want it?" He already showed us a crontab line that used to work. |
| 21:29.38 | Neicho | ok installed |
| 21:29.45 | Neicho | need to reload apache right? |
| 21:29.50 | fbh | no |
| 21:29.51 | jelly-hme | Neicho: no. |
| 21:29.51 | nsadmin | no |
| 21:29.53 | Neicho | kk |
| 21:29.54 | fbh | now: chmod +x /var/www/cron.php |
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| 21:30.02 | jelly-hme | fbh: no need for that either |
| 21:30.04 | Neicho | it already is |
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| 21:30.15 | nsadmin | this script will HAVE NOTHING TO DO with a web server, instead it's a cron job |
| 21:30.16 | fbh | jelly-hme: there sure is if he wants to execute it without the "php" in front of it. |
| 21:30.32 | jelly-hme | fbh: he doesn't, he just wants things to work |
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| 21:30.45 | Neicho | allright so let me try now the old version to execute |
| 21:30.53 | Neicho | the cronjob |
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| 21:31.42 | nsadmin | if the cron job is to be expected to run it, (1) it must have +x perms and (2) must have the #! line set right (which I think you did) |
| 21:32.15 | Neicho | hail ye |
| 21:32.16 | Neicho | works |
| 21:32.20 | Neicho | cgi was the problem |
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| 21:32.31 | Neicho | forgot to install it :) |
| 21:32.32 | fbh | nsadmin: wrong. The cronjob can run it if it is told /usr/bin/php /path/to.php the +x is only needed of you want to be able to run it with /path/to.php and alone. |
| 21:33.17 | jelly-hme | Neicho: you will want to learn more about Debian essentials. Also: "/msg dpkg installed test" shows one way to check if a package is installed. "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" shows a way to replicate the installed set of packages from one machine to another. |
| 21:33.18 | nsadmin | fbh: so, he has those two choices? |
| 21:33.22 | fbh | nsadmin: yes |
| 21:33.46 | jelly-hme | !refcard |
| 21:33.46 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 21:33.50 | nsadmin | additionally he wouldn't be able to run it at the command line without the php first |
| 21:33.53 | Neicho | allrigh thanks jelly |
| 21:34.16 | jelly-hme | Neicho: that refcard may prove useful |
| 21:34.38 | nsadmin | Neicho: study that stuff, get some chops... then use it to solve problems |
| 21:34.47 | Neicho | yeah i ll have it close in favourites |
| 21:35.17 | Neicho | presiate guys for all your help |
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| 21:37.41 | Flashtek | jelly-hme: standard docs cover "what to do when it doesn't work as expected" ? |
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| 21:40.01 | jelly-hme | Flashtek: if your expectations are wrong, yes. |
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| 21:41.39 | jelly-hme | Flashtek: eg. the policy explains when the install scripts are called and what parameters are used in which step |
| 21:42.54 | jelly-hme | Flashtek: also, installing a [test] package with exact same version over an already installed one will make dpkg use old scripts |
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| 21:46.04 | jelly-hme | Flashtek: 6.6 http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
| 21:46.10 | Mikaze | Hello. Anyone recall the stewpid command to reconfigure the xserver and input video modes and such? |
| 21:46.31 | cahoot | X -configure |
| 21:46.34 | cahoot | ? |
| 21:46.41 | jelly-hme | !tell Mikaze about drxx |
| 21:46.47 | nsadmin | hmm. grub-common in sid depends on a specific version of dpkg. |
| 21:47.07 | jelly-hme | ,depends grub-common --release sid |
| 21:47.09 | judd | grub-common -- depends: base-files (>= 4.0.1~), dpkg (>= 1.15.4) | install-info | dpkg (<= 1.14.25), libc6 (>= 2.3), libdevmapper1.02.1 (>= 2:1.02.36), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), gettext-base. |
| 21:47.27 | thewanderer1 | Mikaze: if you mean the nice ncurses gui that lets you pick driver and resolution... I miss it too :P |
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| 21:47.50 | thewanderer1 | it was dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg; but it no longer works as advertised ;P |
| 21:48.40 | Mikaze | is blind, and the new configurator likely isn't accessible. All I'm getting now, according to a sighted helper is screen static and the occasional white line. |
| 21:48.40 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: that doesn't look too specific, it merely excludes (1.4.25 , 1.15.4) range |
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| 21:49.06 | nsadmin | hmm... |
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| 21:49.17 | nsadmin | , versions dpkg |
| 21:49.19 | judd | dpkg -- etch: 1.13.26; lenny: 1.14.29; lenny-security: 1.14.29; squeeze: 1.15.7.2; sid: 1.15.8.3 |
| 21:49.19 | dpkg | judd: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 21:49.49 | nsadmin | dpkg thinks judd is a moooooooooooooooron! |
| 21:49.49 | dpkg | nsadmin: okay |
| 21:50.06 | nsadmin | !thinks judd |
| 21:50.07 | dpkg | well, thinks judd is a moooooooooooooooron! |
| 21:50.15 | zobel | ;) |
| 21:50.23 | nsadmin | !forget thinks judd |
| 21:50.23 | dpkg | nsadmin: i forgot thinks judd |
| 21:50.32 | zobel | dpkg: judd is a bot |
| 21:50.32 | dpkg | zobel, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 21:50.47 | jelly-hme | Mikaze: there is no dialog-based configurator any more. Which debian release are you using? Which graphic card (lspci -nn|grep VGA) |
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| 21:50.57 | zobel | dpkg: no, judd is a bot |
| 21:50.57 | dpkg | okay, zobel |
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| 21:51.43 | jelly-hme | zobel: what did it think of judd before? |
| 21:52.24 | zobel | mh. maybe not my cleverst idea. |
| 21:52.25 | nsadmin | jelly-hme: probably something of the form "zobel, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)" |
| 21:52.26 | jelly-hme | zobel: IOTW, did you just replace a more useful factoid with a trivial one? |
| 21:53.00 | zobel | jelly-hme: i will see if i can find out |
| 21:53.09 | Mikaze | !tell xorg configUsing Squeeze now, an ATI All-In-WonderIfIt'llWork, and an ASUS 1080P widescreen LCD monitor. |
| 21:53.16 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: that'd possibly be a CMD: judd (.*?) |
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| 21:53.27 | Mikaze | Oops. |
| 21:53.33 | Mikaze | !tell xorg config squeeze |
| 21:53.48 | jelly-hme | skip the tell bit |
| 21:53.50 | nsadmin | Mikaze, /msg dpkg help |
| 21:54.06 | jelly-hme | Mikaze: or do it in private message, /msg dpkg xorg config squeeze |
| 21:54.18 | Mikaze | K. Tnx. |
| 21:54.47 | zobel | jelly-hme: lets see if don can restore an old fact. |
| 21:54.49 | puty | hi. I connect my pc to vga monitor. after some time screen turns clear blue. any idea? (Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller rev 3) |
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| 21:55.43 | nsadmin | jelly-hme, in any case it looks like porting it to lenny would be hard (I did try to install install-info) |
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| 21:56.05 | jelly-hme | Mikaze: can you /exec -o lspci -nn|grep VGA |
| 21:56.35 | nsadmin | and install-info is not in lenny |
| 21:56.43 | jelly-hme | it's in lenny-backports |
| 21:56.44 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe I backport that |
| 21:56.51 | nsadmin | oh good :) |
| 21:57.01 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: /msg judd versions install-info |
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| 21:58.43 | themill | dpkg, no judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>. |
| 21:58.44 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 21:58.45 | jelly-hme | Mikaze: also, if you tried to start X recently, can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it exists |
| 21:59.16 | jelly-hme | where has dpkg.vireo.org disappeared? |
| 21:59.31 | themill | jelly-hme: working on that right now, actually. |
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| 21:59.57 | thewanderer1 | !openvz |
| 21:59.57 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level virtualization, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. Installation instructions at http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian . #openvz on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 22:00.27 | thewanderer1 | can we have a factoid pointing people to info on how to compile a kernel with Debian patches? |
| 22:00.29 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: it's like vserver only different! |
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| 22:00.40 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: I know, I was checking the factoids :P |
| 22:00.49 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: what, like /msg dpkg d-k |
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| 22:01.08 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: check them in private |
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| 22:01.23 | thewanderer1 | alright, sorry |
| 22:01.24 | ymas | hello everyone, I'm getting the following PHP error on a Debian Server x86_64, any thoughts would be extremely appreciated: "... failed to open stream: Too many open files ... " |
| 22:01.38 | thewanderer1 | ymas: whatever it says - you've reached the fd limit. |
| 22:01.57 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: there is no info on compiling kernels with Debian patches, it gave me headache today |
| 22:02.01 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: sorry, /msg dpkg kernel compile |
| 22:02.19 | ymas | thewanderer1: When I increase the memory_limit in php.ini, it goes away though ... currently I have it set at 512M |
| 22:02.58 | nsadmin | jelly-hme, thanks... that did it... whew... |
| 22:03.04 | thewanderer1 | ymas: it is NOT memory limit, read what it says |
| 22:03.09 | jhutchins_lt | ymas: So what's the problem? |
| 22:03.34 | thewanderer1 | ymas: are you running PHP inside a VPS like OpenVZ? |
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| 22:03.44 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: 512M is a ridiculous value for memory_limit |
| 22:04.13 | jhutchins_lt | Depends on what you're doing I guess. |
| 22:04.18 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 22:04.37 | ymas | thewanderer1: thanks for your guidance. No, it's happening for SugarCRM only (all the other PHP sites are fine). |
| 22:04.56 | thewanderer1 | ymas: what platform are you running PHP on? is this physical server, or a shared server? |
| 22:05.11 | ymas | Physical dedicated x86_64 server |
| 22:05.18 | ymas | 8 GB RAM |
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| 22:05.38 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: You feel that it's too high? |
| 22:05.45 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: My server runs 128M for Drupal. |
| 22:05.49 | leafwiz_ | Hey, I would like to install a newer version of samba that is default in lenny |
| 22:05.51 | ymas | It's got 2 instances of SugarCRM on it and 3 instances of Joomla! |
| 22:06.09 | leafwiz | Like the version which are in squeeze |
| 22:06.17 | ymas | I don't think that's enough to smoke it out |
| 22:06.20 | thewanderer1 | ymas: you're definitely hitting the fd limit. check dmesg | tail, and see lsof |
| 22:06.24 | leafwiz | But not to update the whole system, is that possible? |
| 22:06.31 | thewanderer1 | ymas: also, uname -a |
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| 22:08.36 | Mikaze | frost |
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| 22:13.16 | ymas | thewanderer1: output of commands here: http://pastebin.com/17ELh17D . Any tips greatly appreciated! |
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| 22:14.52 | thewanderer1 | ymas, your applications are breaking down, you need to increase the open files limit |
| 22:15.35 | ymas | if I issue ulimit -a: open files is at 1024 |
| 22:15.43 | ymas | can I increase that anymore? |
| 22:15.49 | thewanderer1 | well, you should. |
| 22:16.07 | ymas | is there a soft limit for it? |
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| 22:16.42 | thewanderer1 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-increase-the-maximum-number-of-open-files/ |
| 22:16.43 | ymas | would it be ok to try say 2048? If I do that, I'd need to reset the server? |
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| 22:18.08 | Innocentus | question to all |
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| 22:18.15 | Innocentus | would this command delete all contents of the folder ssh-tunnel? |
| 22:18.17 | Innocentus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.32 | ymas | thewanderer1: I am really grateful for your help :) Thanks ever so much! |
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| 22:19.25 | ymas | thewanderer1: I increased the limit in the link you provided to 1,000,000 this morning |
| 22:19.30 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: yes, it would, and if it contains a symlink to /, also all your files :D |
| 22:19.36 | k|[ | hey, i'm at coffee shop but everytime i try to connect to the free wlan ; i get error: command is "iwconfig intf essid essid" ; dhclient intf" |
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| 22:20.03 | thewanderer1 | ymas: perhaps you need to restart your daemons |
| 22:20.04 | Innocentus | hehe |
| 22:20.06 | Innocentus | wicked |
| 22:20.17 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: so I will never use that damn star (*) again |
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| 22:20.20 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: thank you |
| 22:20.24 | Innocentus | Good night everyone! |
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| 22:21.47 | ymas | thewanderer1: It seems that I need a new server ... |
| 22:22.07 | thewanderer1 | ymas: just increase the fd limit, this one is just fine |
| 22:22.17 | thewanderer1 | lsof | wc -l |
| 22:22.25 | thewanderer1 | as root, this will tell you the number of open files |
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| 22:22.54 | ymas | it says 3191 |
| 22:23.08 | ymas | so maybe I do need to restart the server |
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| 22:23.49 | docgnome | anyone know about chroots? I'm trying to build a version of git (and other things maybe) that will work inside one and not having any luck |
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| 22:25.51 | thewanderer1 | ymas: you need to restart at least the daemons that are using the old limits |
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| 22:26.14 | thewanderer1 | ymas: rebooting (after you have set the limits in sysctl.conf) is not such a bad idea, then |
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| 22:27.00 | ymas | thewanderer1: I've just got to find a time to reboot the server, unfortunately, I didn't plan for this so I didn't plan a redundant server |
| 22:27.13 | thewanderer1 | I see :P |
| 22:27.22 | ymas | thewanderer1: It's about finding a time to reboot :) |
| 22:27.32 | thewanderer1 | I know :D |
| 22:27.57 | pootek | docgnome: I think man chroot is the wisest guy |
| 22:28.00 | dwlocks | hello! I'm building a debian package that relies on vmware-vix-disklib, which is not a debian package. |
| 22:28.25 | thewanderer1 | dwlocks: you can't build debian packages which rely on ephemeral stuff |
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| 22:28.38 | dwlocks | at the moment dpkg barfs when it can't find the shlibs files for this stuff. |
| 22:28.50 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Of course you can. |
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| 22:28.59 | dwlocks | can't, vs shouldn't. I'll let you tell my boss that, ok? :P |
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| 22:29.05 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: as in "build a .deb"? no... |
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| 22:29.48 | dwlocks | so I can either use dpkg-gensymbols, or I can tell the package to ignore missing shlibs. |
| 22:30.45 | dwlocks | my gut tells me that running dpkg-gensymbols against vmware's tarball is asking for trouble. |
| 22:30.59 | dwlocks | would I be right? |
| 22:32.04 | jhutchins_lt | dwlocks: Sounds like you're more familiar with the process than thewanderer1 or I am. |
| 22:32.44 | dwlocks | well, I wish I was more familiar with the consequenses of doin it wrong. sorta. |
| 22:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | I would go ahead and take a swipe at using the vmware package and see what happens. |
| 22:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't look like you're doing anything irreversible. |
| 22:34.16 | thewanderer1 | guys, what's this OSS4 thing? I thought Open Sound System was dead in Linux... |
| 22:34.25 | dwlocks | hmm, I think I may have left some details out in an effort to ask a succinct question. |
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| 22:35.17 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Nothing is ever truely dead in OSS. |
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| 22:35.43 | dwlocks | my package depends on the vmware non-deb package. |
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| 22:36.06 | moldovean | thewanderer1, /msg dpkg oss4 |
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| 22:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | dwlocks: Build a deb from the vmware tarball? |
| 22:36.39 | dwlocks | I would if I could. |
| 22:36.44 | dwlocks | oh, wait.... |
| 22:36.59 | dwlocks | I can, but I can't redistribute the vmware software. |
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| 22:37.29 | pootek | nobody will find out :) |
| 22:37.43 | dwlocks | I wonder if I can just provide a deb overlay. |
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| 22:39.37 | dwlocks | everyone who hates dealing with licensing issues raise a hand. |
| 22:39.50 | moldovean | dwlocks, why bother using close software ? |
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| 22:40.13 | moldovean | dwlocks, ask #vmware |
| 22:40.50 | dwlocks | market share. :( good idea tho. I'll poke them too. |
| 22:40.59 | dwlocks | thx moldovean. |
| 22:41.13 | moldovean | dwlocks, anyways offtopic here |
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| 22:42.08 | dwlocks | uh, debian package questions are offtopic? |
| 22:42.13 | skath_ | I can't figure out why my cron job isn't running. I have "Aug 4 22:40:01 vyatta /USR/SBIN/CRON[15216]: (root) CMD (bash -c /opt/vyatta/etc/config/scripts/run-backup.sh)" in my log, and running "bash -c /opt/vyatta/etc/config/scripts/run-backup.sh" works manually |
| 22:42.55 | moldovean | dwlocks, in this context, yes |
| 22:43.10 | skath_ | the script has a+x perms, starts with "#!/bin/bash" and line two is "PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:$PATH" |
| 22:44.21 | skath_ | it doesn't use any commands outside of /usr/bin and /bin so I'm stumped as to why it doesn't seem to run from cron while it runs fine manually |
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| 22:45.03 | dwlocks | moldovean: not a troll: because my question relates to closed source software? I'll avoid questions that I know are inappropriate if I know. |
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| 22:55.46 | aPpYe_ | is this a valid /etc/apt/sources.list? Is anything in here not going to work? http://pastebin.com/ysFEyEut |
| 22:56.42 | aPpYe_ | is "testing-proposed-updates" valid, in particular? |
| 22:56.53 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe_: the syntax is correct, and I'm not a web spider to check that ;P |
| 22:57.24 | zobel | aPpYe_: why do you want t-p-u in particular? |
| 22:57.35 | thewanderer1 | does testing-proposed-updates exist? hm... |
| 22:57.41 | zobel | yes |
| 22:57.49 | zobel | but there is no content in it |
| 22:57.56 | aPpYe_ | that is what I was wondering. It was put in there by a checkbox in synaptic. |
| 22:57.57 | Bushmills | skath_: according your log, your script executes |
| 22:58.23 | zobel | aPpYe_: normal users don't need it |
| 22:58.36 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe_: yes, you only need it if you have tentacles |
| 22:58.37 | aPpYe_ | zobel: well, I like to play with fire? |
| 22:58.42 | zobel | aPpYe_: we are not in freeze |
| 22:58.54 | DaRtHo | hi all, which ftp server and mail server do u recomend me ? :) |
| 22:59.00 | skath_ | Bushmills, yes, thats what I assumed as well, but there's no evidence that any of the actions done in the script have actually taken place |
| 22:59.08 | aPpYe_ | zobel: ah ... so once we are in freeze, then proposed updates will get me updated software even then? |
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| 22:59.27 | Bushmills | skath_: to verify, add a line like touch /tmp/foo at the beginning of script |
| 22:59.32 | zobel | aPpYe_: in the very rare case that we are in freeze AND a package is not updateable vie unstable anymore, t-p-u is used. |
| 23:00.03 | aPpYe_ | zobel: well, I wouldn't be getting anything from unstable if I am using testing, right? |
| 23:00.30 | zobel | BUT: release managers dislike using t-p-u, as packages uploaded to there enter testing without the usual tests through sid |
| 23:01.01 | skath_ | Bushmills, Good call. it gets touched. I'll add some more verbosity to my script to track down where it fails, thanks |
| 23:01.02 | jhutchins | aPpYe_: Yes, you would be getting things that are not completely stable in testing. |
| 23:01.02 | aPpYe_ | hm. I see. |
| 23:01.24 | jhutchins | aPpYe_: Testing is just that, it's testing. It's not "working". |
| 23:01.26 | aPpYe_ | well like I said. Fire is my best friend. We play together lots. |
| 23:01.44 | jhutchins | aPpYe_: Some people like to run it for fun, but if you have anything that you rely on your system for you shouldn't run it. |
| 23:02.01 | aPpYe_ | meh ... it is just my personal laptop. |
| 23:02.08 | aPpYe_ | fun having machine. |
| 23:02.14 | jhutchins | aPpYe_: You also shouldn't run it if you haven't been running Debian for a while and aren't yet familiar with package and configuration management and common problem solving. |
| 23:02.44 | jhutchins | aPpYe_: If you're new to debian, I'd suggest installing stable and working with that for a while. |
| 23:02.58 | zobel | and security infrastructure is currently not really in place. |
| 23:02.58 | aPpYe_ | well, I have been using other minimal distros for a while, sourcemage, gentoo, arch |
| 23:03.00 | jhutchins | aPpYe_: At that point, if you want to help out by finding bugs, do a dual-boot with testing. |
| 23:03.15 | jhutchins | aPpYe_: Yeah, but the point is you don't know how debian does things yet. |
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| 23:03.39 | jhutchins | chokes a bit on gentoo = minimal... |
| 23:03.40 | aPpYe_ | really, I am wanting to try debian as a rolling release. I used ubuntu quite a bit a few years back and it seems pretty similar. |
| 23:04.11 | aPpYe_ | well, I mean minimal in the sense that you start with a console only system and build up from there. |
| 23:04.44 | aPpYe_ | manually installing things like alsa, drivers, etc. |
| 23:05.04 | aPpYe_ | I do not consider myself a guru, but I have gotten dirty quite a bit. |
| 23:05.06 | thewanderer1 | Debian is the slimmest distro on the default install :P |
| 23:05.33 | aPpYe_ | thewanderer1: well, because it does not have compiler stuff by default. |
| 23:05.59 | thewanderer1 | true |
| 23:06.35 | thewanderer1 | you need to see this, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=15612 -- it gives you what you can call "a rolling release" |
| 23:06.40 | thewanderer1 | also... |
| 23:06.42 | thewanderer1 | !sidux |
| 23:06.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is off-topic in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:07.12 | Bushmills | aPpYe_: yes, you get a lot from unstable: whenever a package is deemed good enough to go into testing |
| 23:07.21 | aPpYe_ | thewanderer1: ooo I will check that out. |
| 23:07.30 | aPpYe_ | I do intend on looking into sidux as well. |
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| 23:07.56 | moldovean | !sns |
| 23:07.56 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 23:08.09 | aPpYe_ | lol |
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| 23:08.13 | aPpYe_ | that is gold |
| 23:08.39 | aPpYe_ | !ssb |
| 23:08.39 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 23:09.06 | aPpYe_ | shiny new shit syndrome ... that is awesome. |
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| 23:10.40 | Bushmills | stable is for those weirdos who want a machine which just boringly works |
| 23:11.31 | thewanderer1 | yes, like a server or a "corporate workstation" :P |
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| 23:13.17 | Bushmills | they tend to prefer their tea lukewarm, because that reduces the risk of scalding their tongue on it. |
| 23:14.02 | Chell | Hello all, hope you can help me with a question. How do I set a (GNU) Screen session name in a Screen statusbar? |
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| 23:14.53 | Bushmills | funny .. grepping man page for "title" shows that |
| 23:16.19 | Bushmills | Chell: http://docs.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man1/screen.1.gz?type=man |
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| 23:18.04 | Chell | Bushmills, shelltitle, ok. I searched for session name. That's how the manual describes it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. |
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| 23:20.08 | Chell | Bushmills, Sorry to come back about this, but Shelltitle isn't what I was looking for. I meant the names of a session, like they are called when you "screen -ls". |
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| 23:24.42 | sparrW | is there a channel for help with the debian tools, not related to the debian distro? |
| 23:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: Not realy. |
| 23:25.07 | jordanm | sparrW: no, but I plan to recommend in that in the irc meeting tomorrow :) |
| 23:25.09 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: Which tool in particular? |
| 23:25.17 | sparrW | jhutchins_lt: apt-get and dpkg :) |
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| 23:25.33 | jhutchins_lt | This would be the place for now at least. |
| 23:25.39 | sparrW | jordanm: been a few years since I asked, so I thought it was worth checking |
| 23:25.50 | sparrW | jhutchins_lt: nah, a lot of folks with @s here don't like non-debian-distro questions |
| 23:26.11 | jordanm | yes, it is off-topic here |
| 23:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | Over-specialized channels tend to be poorly attended, and without traffic people don't pay attention to them even if they're logged in. |
| 23:26.38 | syslq | jhutchins_lt: blah, he was talking about ubuntu :) |
| 23:26.38 | sparrW | sure, but a lot of people use apt and dpkg, I don't think such a channel would be poorly attended |
| 23:26.40 | syslq | probably |
| 23:26.48 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: Well, this is true. If you're using them in a non-debian distro than that distro's channel is the place to ask about them |
| 23:26.54 | sparrW | syslq: I could be running apt-get on freebsd, that's the point of the question |
| 23:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: That distro may have modified or tweaked them in ways we can't know. |
| 23:27.05 | syslq | sparrW: apt-get is obsolete, aptitude ftw |
| 23:27.07 | jordanm | sparrW: unless they are working on a derivative, they should be asking their OS support channel |
| 23:27.10 | sparrW | jhutchins_lt: #freebsd is almost certainly not the ideal channel for any apt question |
| 23:27.40 | jordanm | working on creating a derivative I mean |
| 23:27.49 | syslq | sparrW: btw I dont care :), I was just translating :) |
| 23:27.50 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: And, as you surmized, this is not the ideal channel for apt-on-bsd. |
| 23:28.21 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: I guess it's kind of an orphan case, like apt on Centos. |
| 23:28.36 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: Sometimes you can get support from whoever ported the app to the new distro. |
| 23:29.05 | sparrW | there are maybe ten people in the world who understand all of the pinning options that can be used in /etc/apt/preferences, and at any given time ONE of them might be on IRC, and I can tell you the channel he will be in. not having a place where it's appropriate to ask him questions is... annoying |
| 23:29.41 | jordanm | sparrW: 10 people? how about everyone who read man apt_preferences? |
| 23:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: Well, if you know this person, you can always ask to /msg them. |
| 23:30.10 | jordanm | it is quite detailed, with nice examples |
| 23:30.13 | sparrW | jhutchins_lt: honestly, my question is about apt on ubuntu, and the knowledge required to answer the question has nothing to with ubuntu, but I won't ask it here because such has gotten me kicked before |
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| 23:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: Ask in ubuntu. |
| 23:30.33 | jordanm | sparrW: why don't you ask #ubuntu? |
| 23:30.47 | sparrW | jordanm: it is incomplete, at my last investigation by about 20% of potential options |
| 23:30.49 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: They actually do have people who know about it, and they do tweak things enough that it matters. |
| 23:31.09 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: Alternatively, install debian as an alternate boot, work the problem out there, and transfer the knowledge yourself. |
| 23:31.12 | jordanm | sparrW: how do you know these undocemented features exist? the source code? |
| 23:31.27 | sparrW | jhutchins_lt: this isn't a "problem" with a solution, it's a question about how apt WORKS |
| 23:31.41 | sparrW | jordanm: having found preferences files in the wild that use them |
| 23:31.56 | sparrW | where "in the wild" includes debian bug reports |
| 23:32.07 | jordanm | sparrW: how do you know that these people in the "wild" were not using a modified apt? |
| 23:32.16 | themill | suspects this isn't getting any closer to debian user support |
| 23:32.32 | sparrW | because the options they used work in my from-stock-debian-packages preferences file |
| 23:32.39 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: How about further discussion in #debian-offtopic? |
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| 23:33.09 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: See, this is EXACTLY the problem, things that work in Debian may not work in Ubuntu. #debian-offtopic ? |
| 23:34.07 | moldovean | sparrW, or #debian-ubuntu on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:34.10 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: pm me when you get a chance please |
| 23:34.14 | sparrW | jhutchins_lt: sorry for not making the two parallel but not related conversations more distinct. the preferences example is pure debian, no ubuntu involved. debian users found options that work on debian systems with debian packages and are not documented in debian man pages |
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| 23:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | moldovean: Wow, good to know about that, it sounds ideal for situations like this. |
| 23:35.00 | jordanm | sparrW: and you could have sent manpage patches! |
| 23:35.24 | jordanm | sparrW: or filed a bug report... is this a documented bug? |
| 23:35.33 | sparrW | jordanm: "this option exists, it does something"... would PROBABLY be better than not documented at all, I guess |
| 23:35.51 | sparrW | at the time I didn't feel qualified to submit documentation patches for options I didn't understand |
| 23:36.00 | sparrW | I was just copying and pasting other people's working preferences files |
| 23:36.26 | themill | moldovean, jhutchins_lt: no actually, that channel has a different purpose again. It's a developer channel. |
| 23:36.46 | jordanm | sparrW: why are you copying and using configurations if you do not know what it does? |
| 23:37.38 | sparrW | I know what the configuration as a whole does, since that's how I found it (searching for "how to pin on [whatever]"), but I didn't understand how the various options interrelated. which meant i couldnt reproduce similar behavior from scratch, or explain how it worked to someone else |
| 23:37.52 | jordanm | sparrW: and it sounds like you atleast had enough info for a bug filing to complete the documentation. without a bug report, people remain unaware that there is a problem |
| 23:38.16 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: Another option is to submit it as a bugreport with the suggested text. |
| 23:38.17 | jordanm | especially in this situation |
| 23:38.34 | sparrW | I would have filed a bug report, if I had ever been able to get people to talk about the problem here. But no one would talk about it, because it *ONLY* applies to mixing debian with other distros. |
| 23:39.13 | jordanm | sparrW: how is it different than release mixing? |
| 23:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | Even more likely to trash the system? |
| 23:39.41 | sparrW | jordanm: release mixing relies on the "release" Pin keyword. there are many other keywords that can be used to define pinning categorization |
| 23:39.50 | themill | sparrW: irc is very sucky at hypotheticals and that's what you are insisting on here. If you have ideas on improving the documentation, please do so. Otherwise, please wander on. |
| 23:39.52 | sparrW | jordanm: for example, "origin" |
| 23:40.12 | sparrW | or version |
| 23:40.53 | jordanm | sparrW: both of those are documented? anyways, I think it is time to take themill's advice and move on |
| 23:41.03 | sparrW | oh, I moved on years ago |
| 23:41.20 | sparrW | I gave up on this particular project and just wrote a script to create massive pinning lists on a per-package basis |
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| 23:42.09 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: So, you have answers, #debian-ubntu on oftc, plus some other possibilities. |
| 23:42.27 | sparrW | right now I'm confused by one specific feature of apt that is distro-independent, but have nowhere to ask it because the people in the channel for the distros I have examples for don't know, and the people who know don't want me to ask |
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| 23:42.55 | themill | so you're just going to rant for another half-hour instead? yay. lucky us. |
| 23:43.18 | sparrW | themill: I only do it every 2-3 years, some day when the channel I'm looking for exists it will have been worthwhile |
| 23:43.36 | digdeep | Hi, when I start up php, I got this error: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626/syck.so' syck.so is missing |
| 23:43.57 | sparrW | digdeep: sounds like that's referred to as a module in your php.ini and doesn't exist |
| 23:43.59 | jordanm | ,file syck.so |
| 23:44.03 | judd | syck.so in lenny/i386: libruby1.8: usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/syck.so; libruby1.9: usr/lib/ruby/1.9.0/i486-linux/syck.so; libruby1.9-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/ruby/1.9.0/i486-linux/syck.so; libruby1.8-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/syck.so; libyaml-syck-perl: usr/lib/perl5/auto/YAML/Syck/Syck.so |
| 23:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | sparrW: The fact that you've been told there is such a channel and haven't picked up on it suggests you'll just complain some more. Try it. |
| 23:44.38 | jordanm | digdeep: where do you get that error? |
| 23:45.07 | digdeep | jordanm: type php -v get this error |
| 23:45.22 | jordanm | digdeep: what version of debian? |
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| 23:45.39 | digdeep | lenny, I think |
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| 23:46.05 | jordanm | digdeep: see sparrw's reply |
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| 23:55.00 | thewanderer1 | how do I check if a kernel extension requires ia32 emulation? |
| 23:55.05 | thewanderer1 | it's a module actually |
| 23:55.33 | jordanm | thewanderer1: ldd maybe? |
| 23:55.35 | digdeep | sparrw: try to search syck.so in php.ini not there |
| 23:55.38 | thewanderer1 | kernel/cpt/rst_mm.c:986: error: implicit declaration of function âVDSO32_SYMBOLâ |
| 23:55.44 | thewanderer1 | it's not yet compiled... |
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| 23:56.27 | digdeep | judd, I think I am looking for php5-syck |
| 23:56.49 | jordanm | digdeep: judd is a bot |
| 23:57.10 | jordanm | digdeep: there is no php5-syck |
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| 23:59.16 | digdeep | jordanm, yes. It seems php5-syck is missing or obsoleted, when I do sudo apt-get install php5-syck |