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| 00:01.14 | jordanm | digdeep: did you just upgrade from etch or something? |
| 00:01.21 | jordanm | ,versions php5-syck |
| 00:01.24 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php5-syck' was found. |
| 00:01.31 | jordanm | no, wasn't in etch either |
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| 00:02.21 | jordanm | digdeep: this seems to be some kind of user configuration error, or non-debian php. php would not look for a shared object in a dir labeled with a date that is later than the OS released |
| 00:02.39 | jordanm | actually, I don't think there are any "dated" /usr/lib directories in debian |
| 00:02.45 | sweetpi | php5-syck is in sid |
| 00:03.02 | jordanm | sweetpi: judd didn't find it? |
| 00:03.10 | sweetpi | yeah, not sure why |
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| 00:03.22 | sweetpi | oh.. platform |
| 00:03.29 | jordanm | sweetpi: usually when that in the case, the package is very new |
| 00:03.40 | thewanderer1 | what is VDSO32_SYMBOL and why would I need it in my kernel? |
| 00:03.46 | jordanm | sweetpi: platform? only certain arches? |
| 00:03.53 | sweetpi | jordanm: in sid, but only for avr32 and m68k |
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| 00:04.36 | jordanm | sweetpi: ah, ok |
| 00:04.48 | jordanm | digdeep: is this an embedded device? |
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| 00:07.05 | digdeep | sorry guys, new to debian. |
| 00:07.07 | digdeep | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 00:07.08 | digdeep | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.5 (lenny) |
| 00:07.10 | digdeep | Release:5.0.5 |
| 00:07.11 | digdeep | Codename:lenny |
| 00:07.50 | sweetpi | there are bindings for perl of course. but looks like for php it will be a while |
| 00:07.54 | thewanderer1 | what should I do if I have a kernel patch that apparently requires VDSO_SYMBOL32, but I'm compiling the kernel without loadable kernel module support? |
| 00:08.04 | sparrW|2 | is there a way to get apt to tell me the full URL of a package file that it might download? |
| 00:08.30 | digdeep | sweetpi: is there anyway I tell php not loading syck at start up |
| 00:09.18 | jordanm | digdeep: how did you tell it to do that in the first place? that is not default behavior |
| 00:09.34 | thewanderer1 | remove the reference from /etc/php5* |
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| 00:09.53 | digdeep | jordanm: sorry, I don't know |
| 00:10.24 | sweetpi | digdeep: not sure why its even enabled, check your php config |
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| 00:12.35 | sweetpi | digdeep: did you install php from a 3rd party repo? or maybe used a php config from a tutorial? |
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| 00:12.49 | jordanm | suspects dotdeb |
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| 00:14.56 | digdeep | I just removed sudo dpkg --purge php5-syck |
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| 00:15.37 | jordanm | digdeep: and where did you get that package? |
| 00:16.35 | digdeep | sweetpi, jordanm: I am not sure, but I can tell you it is using 3rd party repo |
| 00:17.03 | jordanm | digdeep: 3rd party repos are not recommend nor supported |
| 00:17.15 | jordanm | digdeep: was it dotdeb? |
| 00:17.51 | digdeep | jordanm, if I manage the server in the first place, I guess I won't do that |
| 00:18.14 | jordanm | digdeep: I don't understand what you mean |
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| 00:18.39 | digdeep | jordanm, someone left, so I need to look after the server |
| 00:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | suspects digdeep may be cleaning up someone else's mess. |
| 00:18.52 | jordanm | digdeep: you could hire a debian admin! |
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| 00:18.58 | jordanm | check digdeep's hostmask |
| 00:19.08 | jordanm | bah |
| 00:19.18 | digdeep | yes, we did and he just starts on Monday |
| 00:19.41 | digdeep | part time though |
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| 00:20.41 | jordanm | digdeep: was he an experienced debian admin already? |
| 00:20.56 | digdeep | think so |
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| 00:21.17 | jordanm | think so doesn't sound too confident. |
| 00:21.28 | jordanm | expects to see this new admin in #debian on monday :P |
| 00:21.42 | digdeep | nah, I think he is good |
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| 00:23.09 | digdeep | thx guys, need to go |
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| 00:27.02 | Lovecraft | Debian steenks od stale elderberries. |
| 00:27.24 | Lovecraft | of, that is... |
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| 00:27.39 | Lovecraft | steenks |
| 00:27.58 | Lovecraft | of stale elderberries |
| 00:28.01 | Lovecraft | that is. |
| 00:28.07 | Lovecraft | cof |
| 00:28.20 | jordanm | Lovecraft: are you here to troll or do you need help with something? |
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| 00:28.37 | Lovecraft | No .. actually I really like Debian. |
| 00:28.45 | sweetpi | MMM sorry, they must have fallen out of my co-workers beard |
| 00:28.53 | Lovecraft | Debian or Slackaware. |
| 00:29.18 | jordanm | Lovecraft: you were not giving that impression |
| 00:29.18 | Lovecraft | So I spose 'trolling'. |
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| 00:29.37 | Lovecraft | I rarely need help anymore... |
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| 00:33.33 | Bushmills | os-stinks-rox-rules-and-suxometer: http://stats.bean-fw.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/rulesuckratio.html |
| 00:33.45 | Bushmills | fedora in free fall |
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| 00:34.50 | jordanm | much lower than I would have expected. good chance that would be my choice if debian died tomorrow |
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| 00:38.39 | sparrW|2 | How can I keep packages with unmet dependencies installed without apt-get requiring me to "-f install" to 'fix' it, or aptitude offering huge undesirable problem resolution options? |
| 00:39.09 | FabParma | a strange question: when i delete text inside a text editor, where is saved the deleted text? has to be somewhere because if i press undo i get the deleted text |
| 00:39.25 | sparrW|2 | FabParma: in the memory space of that specific application |
| 00:39.26 | jordanm | sparrW|2: what good is keeping broken packages broken? |
| 00:39.29 | thewanderer1 | sparrW|2: you can do it with dpkg, but then apt will keep complaining until you fix it |
| 00:39.31 | digdeep | when typing php -v: PHP Notice: Constant swig_runtime_data_type_pointer already defined in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 00:39.41 | jordanm | sparrW|2: and are we still talking about a not-debian? |
| 00:39.52 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: it allows me to use those packages without having the time, skill, or resources to rebuild them to correct the brokenness |
| 00:39.57 | thewanderer1 | digdeep: get a proper PHP not this crappy package |
| 00:40.09 | sparrW|2 | thewanderer1: yeah, I'm committed to that if it's the only solution |
| 00:40.09 | FabParma | sparrW|2: for memory do you mean RAM memory? |
| 00:40.14 | jordanm | sparrW|2: if they work without their depends, then they need bugs filed |
| 00:40.20 | sparrW|2 | FabParma: yes |
| 00:40.36 | sticky_ | That guy should troll #suse |
| 00:40.43 | sticky_ | They are untrollable |
| 00:40.48 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: I agree, but said bugs will simply be closed because no one cares about "hypothetical" bugs |
| 00:40.51 | Bushmills | FabParma: the lines are not really "deleted" in the sense of being overwritten with zeroes. they are simply unlinked from the document, but remembered where they once were |
| 00:41.16 | thewanderer1 | every time you kill a character, it goes to hell or heaven, depending on your beliefs |
| 00:41.29 | jordanm | sparrW|2: hypothetical? it sounded like you have tested and proved that they do not need the depends |
| 00:41.37 | Bushmills | FabParma: in many cases, they stay in memory exactly where they were before |
| 00:42.06 | thewanderer1 | most editors remember the diff, not the previous memory region, though |
| 00:42.10 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: they need something very similar to the depends. it's a matter of versioned and epoched depends. but no versions of the packages in question exist in debian to trigger the "bug", so no one will care |
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| 00:42.29 | FabParma | thank you for the precise specifications |
| 00:42.30 | jordanm | sparrW|2: yes, and they shouldn't |
| 00:43.15 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: now you see why I don't file the bugs |
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| 00:43.30 | thewanderer1 | sparrW|2: you can rebuild the package to fix the depends, you know |
| 00:43.38 | thewanderer1 | it will keep you sane |
| 00:43.51 | sparrW|2 | thewanderer1: it's a LOT of packages |
| 00:44.03 | jordanm | sparrW|2: if you need to fold debian packages to fit your environment, you should do so, not leave them broken |
| 00:44.10 | FabParma | i overwritten a text file. what chances have i to get it back? |
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| 00:44.28 | thewanderer1 | sparrW|2: hint: installing non-Debian packages on Debian is a Very Bad Idea |
| 00:44.40 | thewanderer1 | FabParma: very low |
| 00:44.42 | jordanm | sparrW|2: I have a feeling you are doing something drastically wrong, such as manually compiling a depend instead of making a deb package to provide the depends. and you want apt to make up this |
| 00:44.49 | sparrW|2 | FabParma: you saved the new version and closed the application? I would suggest "grep wordfromthetextfile /dev/mem" to see if it exists in a blob of deallocated memory |
| 00:45.05 | Bushmills | FabParma: quite good, assuming you have a backup |
| 00:45.40 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: I have epoch'd packages installed. the packages I'm trying to install later depend on the non-epoch'd ones. that is, I have 1:1.4 and need <=1.5 |
| 00:45.50 | aPpYe | okay, here is that guy with all the questions again ... I am about to install testing on my laptop and try to use it as my "most of the time" machine. The only real concern I have is how will configuration file changes be handled when they come out? Does debian have some magic that merges configs or at least prompt me about it? |
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| 00:46.44 | jordanm | aPpYe: depends on the package. maintainers typically write scripts that will upgrade the config files to new formats. sometimes this prompt you about changes, if it is important |
| 00:46.50 | jordanm | !tell aPpYe about moving target |
| 00:46.53 | sparrW|2 | aPpYe: if you modify a config file provided by a package, and a new version of the package wants to overwrite that changed file, you will be prompted (when using apt, I can't speak to the results with synaptic or other managers) |
| 00:46.58 | Bushmills | aPpYe, new configs are, at your choice, replaced, or your old configs kept. |
| 00:47.14 | sparrW|2 | aPpYe: if the config file is created by the application after installation, such as in ~/.config, then it's up to the app developer to handle it |
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| 00:47.17 | thewanderer1 | you can also see the diff when apt asks you. |
| 00:47.22 | Bushmills | either way, the not used version will be avaible as renamed file |
| 00:48.11 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: so, I've got a few dozen packages with epochs prepended to their version numbers, and a few dozen packages that depend on the non-epoch'd versions of those. They WORK fine, but rebuilding half of the packages is a royal PITA. |
| 00:48.42 | aPpYe | thewanderer1: is there a way to use vimdiff instead? I really like side by side comparisons. That is what I have been using in archlinxu for years. |
| 00:48.51 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: what I need is --ignore-depends for apt, but that obviously doesn't exist |
| 00:49.10 | jordanm | sparrW|2: so what would you suggest? an aptitude unmarkbroken command? |
| 00:49.18 | jhutchins | ,versions vimdiff |
| 00:49.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'vimdiff' was found. |
| 00:49.51 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: --ignore-depends, as implemented in dpkg, would suffice. that's how I'm dealing with this manually so far. there are surely other viable options. |
| 00:49.56 | jhutchins | aPpYe: Built in to vim. |
| 00:50.03 | jordanm | sparrW|2: but it still all comes down to you wanting to modify debian, without doing the work to do it properly |
| 00:50.13 | jordanm | sparrW|2: you can do it dpkg, but its still a broken package |
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| 00:50.25 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe, I'm pretty sure you can hack dpkg to use your differ tool, or you can diff in vim manually during the installation |
| 00:51.06 | sparrW|2 | jordanm: let's make the assumption that the epochs were added for a reason, and that something ELSE will break if I remove them |
| 00:51.48 | aPpYe | okay. perhaps I can alias it somehow, or symlink diff to vimdiff |
| 00:52.09 | aPpYe | or something. |
| 00:52.54 | FabParma | sparrW|2: i was setting a tool. when it asked me wher to save the log and choose the log name i gave exactly the location and the name of the my important file. i am so stupid |
| 00:53.30 | zebradog | FabParma, your kernel /vmlinuz ? |
| 00:53.37 | aPpYe | I was told that at some point in the use of testing I would have to run dist-upgrade (full-upgrade?) instead of just continually upgrading. How would I know when to run this instead of a standard "aptitude upgrade?" |
| 00:53.56 | FabParma | zebradog: yes |
| 00:54.03 | jordanm | aPpYe: aptitude upgrade will tell you that packages are "held back" |
| 00:54.09 | zebradog | (wonders when /vmlinuz symlink started going extinct) |
| 00:54.39 | sparrW|2 | FabParma: so you didn't have your important file open recently? depending on your filesystem and the relative sizes of the two files you may be out of luck, or may be able to recover some or all of the file with filesystem recovery tools |
| 00:54.41 | zebradog | FabParma, call linus torvalds maybe he can take you to antartica |
| 00:54.49 | zebradog | laughs like a penguin |
| 00:54.50 | aPpYe | jordanm: okay, so when a package is "held back" it means I need to run a dist-upgrade? |
| 00:55.01 | zebradog | if penguins do laugh |
| 00:55.22 | jordanm | aPpYe: aptitude full-upgrade; I highly advise against testing at your experience level, unless absolutly required for hardware support |
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| 00:56.29 | FabParma | I already passed two tools for data recovery and i havent found it. probabily because was an overwrite?? |
| 00:56.35 | aPpYe | jordanm: I am highly experienced with other distros, archlinux has been my distro of choice for a few years now ... I am not afraid of breaking things. |
| 00:56.45 | hdtdi | hi guys is there a way to install kde on ubuntu but i dont want some games or multimedia or stuf like that.. i just want "naked" kde and then if i want something i will install it myself |
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| 00:56.55 | hdtdi | i mean "debian" not ubuntu ;) |
| 00:57.15 | zebradog | hdtdi, bs |
| 00:57.22 | hdtdi | bs? |
| 00:57.29 | zebradog | thinks hdtdi has guilty ubuntu conscious |
| 00:57.48 | jordanm | !install kde |
| 00:57.48 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4>. |
| 00:57.55 | hdtdi | its cause now i am with ubuntu and i have virtual machine with debian but i installed only the first disk so i have no x right now |
| 00:58.20 | jordanm | hdtdi: typically the 150mb netinst is recommended |
| 00:59.09 | Bushmills | wasn't it 60 MiB, just 2 weeks ago? |
| 00:59.14 | hdtdi | jordanm, i dont understand what 150mb netinst means? |
| 00:59.36 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 00:59.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 00:59.47 | jordanm | Bushmills: no, the business card is 60mb |
| 01:00.16 | FabParma | sparrW|2: I already passed two tools for data recovery and i have'nt found it. probabily because was an overwrite action?? |
| 01:00.22 | jordanm | hdtdi: the "advanced options" allows you to install alternate desktop environments from the installer |
| 01:00.50 | hdtdi | ah jordanm i see i have first this 150mb image but it stucks on "configure apt-get(i think )" during the installation so i downloaded the ful lcd |
| 01:01.06 | sparrW|2 | FabParma: on most FSs, it would be an overwrite of at least part of the file, or all if the new file is as big as the old one |
| 01:02.13 | hdtdi | jordanm, so if i install kde-core can i run the kde, or i need at least kdebase? |
| 01:02.37 | Bushmills | grin - didn't notice. oh well debian installed fine from the smaller boot cd too |
| 01:02.38 | jordanm | hdtdi: i don't use kde, so I do not know anymore than the factoid told you |
| 01:02.48 | hdtdi | thanks |
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| 01:02.58 | jordanm | Bushmills: yes, but with netinst you can actually install without a network connection. you cannot do that with the smaller |
| 01:03.40 | FabParma | sparrW|2: the old one was 40 kb the new one 0 kb |
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| 01:09.18 | Bushmills | nilfs2 is a log structured file system. that essentially means, it automatically keeps older versions of any modified file |
| 01:09.27 | Bushmills | but ext3 isn't |
| 01:09.32 | thewanderer1 | what is "spurious response" supposed to mean in /var/log/messages ? |
| 01:10.32 | jordanm | thewanderer1: full line? |
| 01:10.51 | sparrW|2 | FabParma: that's a small chance that 36kb of that data still exists, but not linked to any file |
| 01:11.05 | thewanderer1 | Aug 4 02:20:44 sun kernel: : spurious response 0x0:0x2, last cmd=0x000000 |
| 01:11.19 | sparrW|2 | FabParma: finding it will be Hard. like, I've done it before, and it would take dozens of hours if you have a well-used filesystem |
| 01:11.41 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I think you need a channel for kernel hackers |
| 01:12.18 | thewanderer1 | the next line is this: Aug 4 02:20:44 sun kernel: [ 9.433827] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A disabled -- and I've seen this particular message about spurious responses appear like 1024 times today before PCI INT A being disabled - it freaks out on boot |
| 01:13.10 | thewanderer1 | I know I have an ACPI BIOS bug, but this looks even more wrong |
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| 01:16.05 | thewanderer1 | uh, I'm nowhere near becoming a kernel hacker but I need to fix my kernel ;P |
| 01:17.03 | thewanderer1 | crap, "goto" in C code. |
| 01:17.25 | limpio | hi all, i just installed lenny, installed 'locate' but when i try to locate something it doesn't give me any results, i did a minimal install. |
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| 01:17.34 | KB1JWQ | limpio: updatedb |
| 01:17.39 | jordanm | limpio: you have to "updatedb" |
| 01:17.42 | limpio | thanks pal |
| 01:17.47 | KB1JWQ | Ayup. |
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| 01:19.26 | StuckMojo | what's the init in squeeze? |
| 01:19.34 | StuckMojo | it's no longer sysvinit right? |
| 01:19.39 | StuckMojo | insserv or whatever? |
| 01:19.59 | jordanm | insserv |
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| 01:27.53 | thewanderer1 | really, what's with this VDSO32 stuff? |
| 01:28.02 | thewanderer1 | nothing complains but OpenVZ |
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| 01:36.46 | JoeSchmo | quick question, I'm attempting to build some documentation on Debian that requires docbook 3.1, sgml, i'm having a hard time finding the package containing the schema, i'm running squeeze |
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| 01:37.06 | JoeSchmo | does anyone know the name of the package or do I need to make my own |
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| 01:37.24 | jordanm | JoeSchmo: what exactly is the schema? |
| 01:37.37 | JoeSchmo | -//OASIS//DTD DocBook V3.1//EN |
| 01:37.57 | jordanm | that explains it! |
| 01:38.16 | jordanm | JoeSchmo: I meant what is a schema? do you know of a particular file you are looking for? |
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| 01:38.38 | JoeSchmo | good question |
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| 01:40.51 | JoeSchmo | very simply looking looking for the docbook 3 dtds |
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| 01:41.08 | JoeSchmo | 3.1 |
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| 01:41.50 | JoeSchmo | http://www.docbook.org/sgml/3.1/docbk31.zip --- this installed |
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| 01:42.25 | dockimble | does anyone have any suggestions for good text based programs? |
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| 01:43.11 | jordanm | JoeSchmo: I don't know enough to help.. but if you can figure out the particular file you are looking for, you can search with apt-file |
| 01:43.25 | jordanm | dockimble: too vague, what kind of programs? |
| 01:43.33 | JoeSchmo | well, that I can do, thanks |
| 01:43.57 | dockimble | for information from the net, or in lieu of a spreadsheet |
| 01:44.07 | dockimble | i'm running a build without x |
| 01:44.12 | dockimble | or trying to set one up |
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| 01:45.12 | jordanm | dockimble: I am not aware of any text based spreadsheet applications |
| 01:45.37 | jordanm | and I have no idea what you mean by 'information from the net'... a web browser? |
| 01:45.45 | dockimble | or a wikipedia reader |
| 01:46.15 | jordanm | dockimble: w3m |
| 01:46.18 | JoeSchmo | well, im a fricken idiot, i'm used to setting up my own docbook catalogs, so i installed docbook-xml, i needed the docbook package |
| 01:46.21 | JoeSchmo | sorry for the noise |
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| 01:47.12 | dockimble | how does one use w3m |
| 01:48.26 | Bushmills | one runs it, open web pages, and looks at them |
| 01:48.37 | Bushmills | generally speaking :) |
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| 01:49.40 | Bushmills | links, or links2, may be a good alternative |
| 01:50.32 | jordanm | prefers w3m-el |
| 01:51.09 | dockimble | is there a synaptic analogue for the command line? |
| 01:51.10 | thewanderer1 | !start a browser war |
| 01:51.10 | dpkg | IE crashes less than Amanda! |
| 01:51.25 | thewanderer1 | dockimble: aptitude |
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| 01:51.35 | Bushmills | synaptic? are you using ubuntu, by any chance? |
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| 01:52.06 | dockimble | no, i just liked the ability to search for aspects in packages |
| 01:52.07 | jordanm | (because debian users need to use the CLI to install synaptic...) |
| 01:52.16 | dockimble | i know and did |
| 01:53.25 | Bushmills | strikes me as odd that one doesn't know about aptitude, but knows synaptic |
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| 01:53.53 | dockimble | i know about it, but don't know how to use it to look for packages about specific things |
| 01:54.01 | jordanm | Bushmills: many might not know it has an interactive mode |
| 01:54.22 | jordanm | !tell dockimble about grounding |
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| 01:54.25 | Bushmills | oh. does it? |
| 01:54.30 | Bushmills | :D |
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| 01:56.50 | Bushmills | well, it has a "Find" function in its menu |
| 01:57.12 | Bushmills | possibly "Search", not sure |
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| 01:57.24 | jordanm | Bushmills: "/", just like a pager |
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| 01:58.25 | Bushmills | yes, but that required having either read something about it, or looked at the key binding, given in the menu item |
| 01:58.59 | Bushmills | in latter case, using menu chronologically precedes use of / |
| 01:59.02 | jordanm | Bushmills: or guess, since "/" works in about everything TUI interactive that has search capabilities... that is not emacs |
| 01:59.36 | jordanm | emacs uses the more sensive C-s for incremental search |
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| 01:59.41 | jordanm | sensible |
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| 02:01.57 | Bushmills | Jordanm, he said that he doesn't know how to use it to look for packages - from this follows that he didn't know about / |
| 02:02.17 | Bushmills | but menu shortcut is printed on the screen |
| 02:02.31 | jordanm | Bushmills: everyone has to learn sometime |
| 02:03.50 | Bushmills | now what is a good place to learn about / ? |
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| 02:05.09 | Bushmills | (hint: we know already that emacs isn't) |
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| 02:05.57 | jordanm | Bushmills: I would say vi would be the first place to pick it up. everyone should atleast know vi basics, and learn it fairly early on in their *nix career |
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| 02:06.49 | Bushmills | like, he could learn to quit aptitude by pressing Esc : q! ? |
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| 02:08.00 | jordanm | Bushmills: hmm, so you will write a linux basics guide, including how "/" is a very common TUI search key that we can link to? :) |
| 02:08.20 | Mikaze | Hello. Any way to get linux to tell me what the decimal ascii value of a character is? I need to get the decimal value for a "¬" |
| 02:08.31 | jordanm | Mikaze: man ascii |
| 02:08.39 | thewanderer1 | how do I disable VDSO in my kernel? nothing seems to use it... |
| 02:08.46 | jordanm | Mikaze: that char is not ascii though, its unicode |
| 02:08.50 | Mikaze | man ascii won't help. I'm blind. |
| 02:09.23 | jordanm | Mikaze: so you get text to speech in your IRC but not your manpages? |
| 02:09.24 | Mikaze | It's part of the extended ascii character set, but I forgot the sodding number. |
| 02:09.31 | thewanderer1 | Mikaze: echo -n ¬ | xxd |
| 02:11.55 | Mikaze | considers writing it to a file and viewing the thing with a hex editor. I can copy the char from another file where I have it stored, but finding an easy way to get the decimal value is another story. I can't "see" the characters in the man pages. |
| 02:12.54 | thewanderer1 | Mikaze: what I said |
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| 02:14.09 | Bushmills | Mikaze: printf '%d' "'x" where x is your literal character |
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| 02:15.43 | aPpYe | hmmm. I installed debian from a usb created with unetbootin. Installation went fine, and it claimed to install grub to /dev/sda but it just booted back into my archlinux partition... |
| 02:15.58 | aPpYe | not sure how to go about finding the config for grub2 |
| 02:16.06 | aPpYe | I only know original grub. |
| 02:16.11 | Bushmills | Mikaze: you may want to add newline after the decimal number: printf '%d\n' "'x" |
| 02:16.12 | jordanm | aPpYe: unetbootin is known not work for debian |
| 02:16.22 | jordanm | !tell aPpYe about usb install |
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| 02:18.26 | Mikaze | 158864392 is larger than 255. printf dinna werk. |
| 02:18.33 | aPpYe | jordanm: well, can't I just chroot into the installation partition or something? or how would I be able to add debian's partition to my existing menu.lst? I know how configure original grub pretty well. |
| 02:18.38 | Mikaze | grins. |
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| 02:19.11 | ham5 | !anyone |
| 02:19.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:19.33 | ham5 | thanks dpgk |
| 02:19.40 | ham5 | dpkg |
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| 02:20.05 | Bushmills | Mikaze: gives 172 here |
| 02:20.37 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe: you were here yesterday and we told you how to do this |
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| 02:21.21 | Mikaze | Was there a ' before the x in the first example? |
| 02:21.33 | Bushmills | yes. |
| 02:21.49 | aPpYe | well, i already had a unetbootin drive ready, wouldn't the only problem be that it did not properly install grub2 to the device? i figured it would not be hard to just do that instead of a full reinstall. |
| 02:22.08 | Mikaze | Hmmm. Wonder why it didn't work. |
| 02:22.44 | jordanm | aPpYe: stable does not use grub2 |
| 02:22.52 | Bushmills | Mikaze: but i couldn't enter the char on the shell input line - therefore i executed the line from a script: the editor accepted entering that char as part of the command |
| 02:23.00 | Mikaze | Thanks for the 172, btw. Would be nice to be able to do other chars if I find the need in the future. |
| 02:23.16 | jordanm | aPpYe: and also, unetbootin typically would fail to even get through the installation, giving errors about finding the CD |
| 02:23.30 | Bushmills | where do you get those chars from? |
| 02:23.40 | aPpYe | jordanm: went all the way through to the end for me... |
| 02:23.59 | jordanm | aPpYe: what version of debian? |
| 02:24.10 | Mikaze | You should be able to do an Alt+172 on the command line, but, of course, you have to know the decimal number first. |
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| 02:24.26 | Mikaze | (using the keypad) |
| 02:25.02 | Bushmills | if you have a text file, containing them: mcedit (editor from midnight commander) displays ascii under cursor as decimal and hex nums in its status line |
| 02:25.13 | aPpYe | jordanm: I dunno .. it did not list it in unetbootin... testing. Nevermind though. I can reinstall. Following the "official" usb walktrough now. |
| 02:26.04 | Bushmills | Mikaze: top line, about column 70 |
| 02:26.09 | jordanm | aPpYe: you mentioned menu.lst, but it is not used in grub2 |
| 02:26.43 | jordanm | aPpYe: I am not sure that is your problem, if it made it all the way through. perhaps it works with the squeeze installer |
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| 02:28.03 | Mikaze | Bishin! Does work from a script. Thanks! |
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| 02:28.47 | jordanm | Mikaze: are you really blind? |
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| 02:29.39 | Mikaze | Blind as a bat with laryngitis. Been that way since 02. |
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| 02:30.03 | Bushmills | Mikaze: what brand is your braille terminal (provided you use one)? |
| 02:30.29 | jordanm | Mikaze: get by with text to speech of some kind? I had been curious about that since I saw a blind guy attending debconf |
| 02:30.44 | Mikaze | I use SpeakUP in Debian. I also have a litetalk speech synth (hardware). |
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| 02:31.13 | Bushmills | i worked on braille terminal firmware in the past |
| 02:31.16 | jordanm | Mikaze: I think it is pretty amazing |
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| 02:31.55 | jpinx-eeepc | doffs his hat to Mikaze |
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| 02:33.42 | Mikaze | I can almost get completely by on the console with edbrowse (wish they'd update it already, tho) as it segfaults on some sites. gnome-orca's still a little too slow on the old celeron, so have to switch to Windows if I need to do online banking and such, using the free NVDA screen reader (www.nvda-project.org). JAWS for Windows is 1000 friggin dollars. |
| 02:34.30 | Mikaze | hates Mickeysoft, anyway. |
| 02:36.03 | Mikaze | Thanks again for the script. Now I can type a ¬.¬ emoticon again. |
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| 02:52.45 | hdtdi | hii i have a question . i had ubuntu with network-manager-gnome.. now i installed debian with only cd1 thhan i installed kde-core. now i insatlled network-manager-kde and i can see under "wireless" my wireless card but under that there is "no wireless network found" why is that? near me there should be like 10 wireless networks |
| 02:53.49 | gnarface | hdtdi: what wifi card is it? |
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| 02:54.14 | jhutchins_lt | !wifi |
| 02:54.14 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 02:54.34 | hdtdi | atheros AR242 x 802.11abg |
| 02:55.32 | hdtdi | !wifi <atheros> |
| 02:55.45 | hdtdi | !wifi atheros |
| 02:56.27 | hdtdi | chuckle |
| 02:57.43 | jordanm | !tell hdtdi about atheros |
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| 02:59.31 | hdtdi | !tell hdtdi about ath5k |
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| 03:01.27 | hdtdi | jordanm, i still dont understand whats the meaning of this !tell me about ath5.. |
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| 03:04.17 | jhutchins_lt | !ath6 |
| 03:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | !ath5 |
| 03:04.44 | jhutchins_lt | The bot appear to be preoccupied at the moment... |
| 03:04.59 | jhutchins_lt | hdtdi: Wait for it. |
| 03:05.34 | hdtdi | wait for what? i dont understand what will the bot give me |
| 03:06.28 | jhutchins_lt | !atheros |
| 03:06.28 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523> or <ath9k_htc> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
| 03:08.09 | hdtdi | well my lspci shows my wireless card.. or that don't mean its installed |
| 03:08.10 | hdtdi | ? |
| 03:10.47 | jhutchins_lt | hdtdi: That means you need to read the wiki article and track down the drivers, get them installed, and enjoy glorious debian wifi ftw. |
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| 03:11.05 | jhutchins_lt | Most of 'em work with a little elbow grease. |
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| 03:21.25 | gnarface | hdtdi: all lspci shows you is what's physically plugged into the computer. |
| 03:21.44 | hdtdi | and how can i see whats installed ? |
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| 03:22.26 | gnarface | well, lsmod shows you what drivers are loaded... but knowing which driver(s) each piece of hardware needs is somewhat specific |
| 03:22.54 | gnarface | there isn't a clean 1:1 ratio between modules and hardware |
| 03:23.33 | hdtdi | ok if i have ath5 loaded? may that mean my wireless is installed? |
| 03:23.52 | gnarface | good chance of it |
| 03:25.48 | hdtdi | yeah but still no wireless networks.. and one other thing. when i dmesg i have a looooooooot of error lines like this one http://pastebin.com/aF0ETh25 |
| 03:26.09 | gnarface | ah |
| 03:26.53 | gnarface | ok i'm gonna second jhutchins_lt's advice then on googling for a wiki article or something. looks like you might need one of the firmware packages for that card, but i don't know which one it is. |
| 03:27.10 | gnarface | i think there are a bunch of them in non-free |
| 03:27.41 | gnarface | some of the wifi cards also need firmware updates but those are packaged separately |
| 03:29.05 | hdtdi | Unlike the MadWifi driver, ath5k does not require a binary HAL (hardware abstraction layer) for its use. No firmware is required to be loaded from userspace. is this something else? i cant really understand this firmware stuff |
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| 03:31.13 | gnarface | hmm. maybe it's something else than. i'm not sure what phy4 is |
| 03:33.31 | hdtdi | yeah internet says my card dont need firmware |
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| 03:34.56 | gnarface | hdtdi: uh... do you have a usb wifi card? |
| 03:35.23 | hdtdi | nope |
| 03:35.30 | gnarface | hdtdi: http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Sweex_RT2571WF cause according to this wiki page that's what's causing those firmware loading messages |
| 03:35.33 | hdtdi | i have one but i dont use it right now |
| 03:35.37 | wooden | i did a dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze on my thinkpad x40 and lost the middle-mouse button scrollwheel emulation. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint says the config is different for squeeze, but i did what it says and it still doesn't work. any suggestions? |
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| 03:37.24 | gnarface | wooden: yea i think they changed the hell out of major parts of X input handling - make sure you've got the newest xorg... everything and check their docs directly. |
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| 03:39.56 | hdtdi | gnarface, yeah . you were right.. |
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| 03:40.05 | hdtdi | it was about the usb.. |
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| 03:40.43 | hdtdi | (i disconnected the usb long time ago.. now after reboot i dont see the error msg) |
| 03:40.57 | hdtdi | but still i dont have wireless networks : |
| 03:41.52 | gnarface | does the wifi card show up in ifconfig -a? |
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| 03:42.22 | hdtdi | i have wlan0 |
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| 03:43.45 | gnarface | what happens when you try: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 03:44.08 | hdtdi | well.. nothing |
| 03:44.29 | gnarface | that would suggest it succeeded |
| 03:44.50 | gnarface | if you run ifconfig again is it listed as "UP" ? |
| 03:45.01 | gnarface | and if so, try to scan for wireless networks |
| 03:45.02 | hdtdi | well if ifconfig shows wlan0 doesnt that mean its already up ? |
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| 03:45.20 | gnarface | ifconfig -a will also list down devices |
| 03:45.53 | hdtdi | aaaaaah i see. no no the network was up.. already |
| 03:45.58 | gnarface | you do have the wireless-tools package installed right? |
| 03:46.13 | hdtdi | wlan0 No scan results |
| 03:46.17 | hdtdi | i have iwconfig |
| 03:46.36 | gnarface | maybe there really are no scan results? seems weird though |
| 03:46.46 | gnarface | i'm not familiar with the software you're using to scan |
| 03:46.50 | hdtdi | no no.. near me there should be like 1214141 wifi networks |
| 03:46.52 | gnarface | have you tried wifi-radar, just out of curiosity? |
| 03:47.26 | hdtdi | iwlist scan, the knetworkmanager, airodump.. |
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| 03:47.42 | gnarface | you using the latest kernel? |
| 03:47.44 | hdtdi | dont show anything at all |
| 03:47.57 | hdtdi | 2.6.26-2686 |
| 03:48.21 | hdtdi | i dont know.. i downlaoded the first cd rom from debian website and installed it |
| 03:48.54 | sweetpi | hdtdi: are you sure the "wireless" button isnt off? :) |
| 03:49.15 | hdtdi | wireless button ? |
| 03:49.27 | sweetpi | hdtdi: your on a laptop right? |
| 03:49.31 | hdtdi | yeah |
| 03:49.45 | zebradog | hdtdi, did you try the usb-wifi device on another port? |
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| 03:50.03 | sweetpi | hdtdi: there should be a wireless button to turn off wireless.. ive bumped it many times and pulled my hair out |
| 03:50.09 | zebradog | thinks he wants to watch calli again to that guitar song |
| 03:50.49 | hdtdi | zebradog, no.. i plugged it one time just to see if the usb can pick some networks |
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| 03:50.51 | sweetpi | hdtdi: either a button like fn+wireless or maybe a switch |
| 03:51.08 | hdtdi | sweetpi, no.. i havent touch fn+wireless |
| 03:51.14 | sweetpi | oh this is usb? |
| 03:51.18 | hdtdi | no |
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| 03:51.29 | hdtdi | i have AND a usb.. but i am not using it |
| 03:51.55 | zebradog | hdtdi, you do not have another usb device outlet, the outlet may be problematic for that particular device, hardware-wise |
| 03:52.09 | zebradog | oh |
| 03:52.12 | hdtdi | what is outlet? |
| 03:52.16 | zebradog | confused |
| 03:52.21 | zebradog | thought it was usb-wifi device |
| 03:52.33 | sweetpi | I'm willing to bet its off. everytime someone pulls their hair out because of wireless, its either mac filtering or the wireless switch got bumped |
| 03:53.27 | hdtdi | sweetpi, i had ubuntu with gnome and i had wireless.. i installed debian 1st-cd, kde-core, knetworkmanager like.. 20 minutes ago |
| 03:53.39 | hdtdi | and i havent touch the fn+f2 (on my pc) |
| 03:54.04 | zebradog | !wireless-tools |
| 03:54.04 | dpkg | The wireless-tools package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions, including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>. |
| 03:54.23 | zebradog | that was awkward |
| 03:54.35 | zebradog | was expecting a debian wiki link |
| 03:54.53 | hdtdi | wait i will try something :_) brb |
| 03:54.55 | zebradog | uses debian wiki too |
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| 03:55.23 | sweetpi | hdtdi: what is the output of "rfkill list" |
| 03:55.42 | hdtdi | command not found |
| 03:55.45 | hdtdi | (chuckle) |
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| 03:56.48 | sweetpi | hdtdi: ...cause you need wireless-tools |
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| 03:59.24 | hdtdi | aptitude install wireless-tools - No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed |
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| 04:00.05 | gnarface | hdtdi: maybe you need a newer kernel, or a newer wireless tools? lenny is getting kinda old |
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| 04:02.14 | hdtdi | gnarface, is there some aptitude update kernel command? |
| 04:02.57 | gnarface | yes but you may be already using the latest lenny kernel |
| 04:03.11 | gnarface | look for packages that start with the prefix "linux-image" |
| 04:03.29 | Arrowmaster | , kernel |
| 04:03.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 04:04.13 | gnarface | ah, there yo go |
| 04:04.18 | hdtdi | i am the latest |
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| 04:04.21 | gnarface | you could try the backports kernel |
| 04:04.32 | gnarface | or you could move up to squeeze or sid |
| 04:04.58 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: do you know if there's a updated wireless-tools in backports as well? |
| 04:05.11 | zebradog | gnarface, i'm guessing if it's ubuntu with a later kernel/driver for the wifi to work, you should definitely try bpo (backports) on debian.. |
| 04:05.12 | hdtdi | squeeze - and is currently in a state called testing. |
| 04:05.20 | Arrowmaster | , versions wireless-tools |
| 04:05.22 | judd | wireless-tools -- etch: 28-1+etchnhalf.1; etch-backports: 29~pre22-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 29-1.1; sid: 30~pre9-5; squeeze: 30~pre9-5 |
| 04:06.16 | Arrowmaster | do you have non-free sources enabled? |
| 04:06.49 | hdtdi | in my source.list there is no non-free at the end |
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| 04:06.56 | hdtdi | its only lenny main |
| 04:07.14 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: we think his wireless card doesn't require addon firmware though |
| 04:07.20 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 04:07.26 | gnarface | ath5 driver? |
| 04:07.31 | gnarface | something like that |
| 04:08.18 | gnarface | hdtdi: if i were you i'd just go balls-to-the-wall and update to sid. but i'm not you, so you should definitely drop in that lenny backports kernel, cross your fingers and reboot |
| 04:08.50 | hdtdi | wait wait the first result in google says squeez is in testing, and sid is unstable |
| 04:08.58 | gnarface | that's true |
| 04:09.08 | hdtdi | isnt that like "not cool" thing to do? |
| 04:09.08 | gnarface | but the *kernel* is not |
| 04:09.14 | gnarface | shrugs |
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| 04:09.20 | gnarface | i like to live on the edge |
| 04:09.58 | gnarface | dpkg, backports? |
| 04:09.58 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 04:10.01 | hdtdi | what do you mean the kernel is not? that some programs may crash but not the whole system ? |
| 04:10.01 | Dewi | hdtdi: backports is much safer, check that first |
| 04:10.35 | Arrowmaster | !bpo |
| 04:10.38 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 04:10.42 | gnarface | hdtdi: more or less, that's what i mean, yes. |
| 04:10.52 | hdtdi | i guess i will try with backports |
| 04:11.02 | gnarface | quicker to do that |
| 04:11.09 | gnarface | if it fails you can always still go for squeeze or sid |
| 04:11.19 | hdtdi | :) |
| 04:11.28 | Dewi | hdtdi: and after that I'd try testing before unstable, only a few weeks older but much more testing on it |
| 04:11.33 | Dewi | (usually) |
| 04:12.08 | Dewi | gnarface: are there no ABI/API complications with a much newer kernel? |
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| 04:12.30 | Arrowmaster | not if you use backports |
| 04:12.33 | Dewi | gnarface: or do they tend to be backwards compatible? |
| 04:12.37 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: aye |
| 04:12.50 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: I mean with something like unstable, that's a whole year newer |
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| 04:13.09 | Arrowmaster | if you ever install any binary package ment for testing or unstable onto a stable system then you risk complications |
| 04:13.48 | Arrowmaster | although i do install binary packages ment for ubuntu which i know i shouldnt be doing |
| 04:13.57 | gnarface | most the time it works |
| 04:13.58 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: well if you do it very long after release you really can't, because you'll pull the whole system through via a libc upgrade or something |
| 04:14.06 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: but maybe that is not the case for kernels? I don't know |
| 04:14.08 | aPpYe | trying to install testing via usb using the "easy method" outlined at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en ... it complains that the archive does not match the isntaller version or some such. I made sure to download both from testing using the same mirror ... |
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| 04:14.42 | Dewi | aPpYe: maybe testing installer is broken. You could use a stable installer and then upgrade to testing |
| 04:14.57 | Dewi | aPpYe: at least then you know the installer is well-tested |
| 04:15.05 | Arrowmaster | aPpYe: which did you download? |
| 04:15.11 | gnarface | once heard a legend that the testing installer is sometimes not broken |
| 04:15.31 | Dewi | aPpYe: (I don't run testing anymore but when I did, I ran into this a few times) |
| 04:15.41 | Dewi | years ago |
| 04:16.08 | gnarface | i've installed debian on literally hundreds of machines of different eras and architectures |
| 04:16.15 | hdtdi | so basically i need to do that? http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions to be able to install from backports and then whhat? damn i already forgot what i need to do? to upgrade the kernel? |
| 04:16.18 | aPpYe | I downloaded this file: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 04:16.19 | gnarface | installing with the stable installer than upgrading ALWAYS works better |
| 04:16.45 | Dewi | hdtdi: it'll be a package starting with linux-image- |
| 04:17.03 | aPpYe | gnarface: okay, but I want to install to an ext4 partition... |
| 04:17.07 | Dewi | hdtdi: choose the latest one for your architecture |
| 04:17.19 | hdtdi | Dewi, so like.. aptitude install linux-image-something ? |
| 04:17.32 | wooden | gnarface: debian wiki was no good for thinkpad trackpoint info, had to go here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Configuration_using_xinput working now. |
| 04:17.39 | Arrowmaster | aPpYe: i think thats the alpha1 so there shouldnt be an issue with it |
| 04:17.47 | gnarface | wooden: hooraay! |
| 04:17.48 | Dewi | hdtdi: yah. try aptitude search linux-image first |
| 04:18.08 | hdtdi | i see ok wait :) be right ack |
| 04:18.12 | Dewi | hdtdi: oh, after editing your sources and 'aptitude update' obviously |
| 04:18.16 | gnarface | wooden: yea centralization of documentation for specialized hardware configs could use some help :-/ |
| 04:19.07 | gnarface | aPpYe: no ext4 in lenny? maybe you could try that lenny installer with the updated kernels. what was that called again... kumdo or something? |
| 04:19.11 | gnarface | !kumdo |
| 04:19.18 | gnarface | !kumo |
| 04:19.20 | gnarface | hmm |
| 04:19.26 | hdtdi | Dewi, http://pastebin.com/iNU5NKvL |
| 04:19.39 | hdtdi | thats after aptitude update |
| 04:19.40 | Arrowmaster | it would need more than just an updated kernel to get ext4 |
| 04:20.18 | Dewi | hdtdi: there are instructions at backports.org for that |
| 04:20.25 | Arrowmaster | hdtdi: aptitude install debian-backports-keyring |
| 04:20.30 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: is it as easy to upgrade a partition from ext3 to ext4 as it was going from ext2 to ext3? |
| 04:20.48 | aPpYe | Arrowmaster: well, I recreated the usb stick twice with that and the business card from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 04:20.56 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: you can do it but you dont gain any benefit at all on the files already on the partition |
| 04:21.05 | gnarface | aah |
| 04:21.06 | aPpYe | gnarface: how would I do that? I never heard of anything called kimdo. |
| 04:21.08 | Dewi | hdtdi: what Arrowmaster said. Just makes your system trust backports packages |
| 04:21.21 | gnarface | dpkg, kumdo? |
| 04:21.22 | dpkg | gnarface: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:21.27 | hdtdi | yep its ok now |
| 04:21.40 | gnarface | dpkg, installers? |
| 04:21.40 | dpkg | The Debian installer comes in many forms (CD1, netinst, business card, DVD), but the installer you use and the system you end up with is identical in each case. The only difference is when the packages are downloaded: if you grab the DVDs then you are downloading lots of packages that you might not need; if you download the netinst, then when you go to install packages using aptitude later on, they will be downloaded at that time. |
| 04:22.05 | gnarface | damn i can't remember the word |
| 04:22.14 | gnarface | any help here? |
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| 04:24.03 | hdtdi | Dewi, care to help me find a "good one" i mean image? there are some description like.. for old pc, for new pc, for pc with "something" support.. i am confused |
| 04:24.10 | Dewi | gnarface: jigdo |
| 04:24.31 | Arrowmaster | aPpYe: try the boot.img.gz from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 04:24.33 | gnarface | Dewi: no no, not that one. it started with "ku" i'm fairly sure. it was lenny with updated kernel and stuff |
| 04:24.42 | Dewi | hdtdi: can you tell me what kernel you have now, exactly? |
| 04:25.01 | hdtdi | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 04:25.02 | Arrowmaster | hdtdi: what one do you already have installed? |
| 04:25.20 | Dewi | hdtdi: dpkg --list | grep '^ii.*linux-image' |
| 04:25.34 | Dewi | hdtdi: oh, thx |
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| 04:26.21 | aPpYe | Arrowmaster: that is the same file... just a different mirror? |
| 04:26.23 | Dewi | hdtdi: easiest to stay with a straight 686 one |
| 04:26.31 | aPpYe | same date anyway... |
| 04:26.34 | zebradog | bb |
| 04:26.36 | hdtdi | Dewi, they are all ending with 686 :D |
| 04:26.56 | Dewi | hdtdi: linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 04:27.16 | Arrowmaster | aPpYe: not sure if its the same file but i got it off a page saying it was for the squeeze alpha1 installer |
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| 04:27.26 | Dewi | hdtdi: aptitude search '^linux-image-2.6-686$' |
| 04:27.46 | hdtdi | Dewi, well.. i have 2.6.26, why not install 2.6.32 or something ? |
| 04:28.04 | Dewi | hdtdi: because the virtual package will install the latest in that line |
| 04:28.13 | Dewi | hdtdi: you can get all details with - apt-cache show 'linux-image-2.6-686' |
| 04:28.16 | Arrowmaster | aPpYe: actually from the dates i doubt that one will work either |
| 04:28.28 | Dewi | hdtdi: so I expect it will be .32 yes |
| 04:29.06 | hdtdi | # aptitude search linux-image-2.6 | grep -i linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:29.06 | hdtdi | i linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package) |
| 04:29.37 | aPpYe | well, I will try the "flexible method" and see how things go there... |
| 04:30.03 | Dewi | hdtdi: yes, if you install a virtual/meta package and a newer version is available, it will upgrade |
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| 04:30.12 | Dewi | hdtdi: quite a safe way to do it, keeps everything the same |
| 04:30.17 | gnarface | hdtdi: do it! |
| 04:30.26 | Dewi | hdtdi: (install the meta package you already have) |
| 04:30.57 | Arrowmaster | aPpYe: just take what you already have and copy the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from the iso onto it |
| 04:30.59 | hdtdi | Dewi, whitch package? what? |
| 04:31.23 | Dewi | hdtdi: linux-image-2.6-686. It's a meta package, meaning it's a pointer to the newest kernel of that type at any time |
| 04:31.40 | aPpYe | Arrowmaster: okay ... how to get files off of the iso? |
| 04:31.43 | Dewi | hdtdi: so although you already have it installed, when you enabled bpo you no longer have the newest version, I think |
| 04:31.48 | aPpYe | don't remember the mount command for that... |
| 04:32.05 | hdtdi | wait i havent install anything yet |
| 04:32.11 | aPpYe | nevermind. file=roller works. |
| 04:32.15 | Arrowmaster | aPpYe: neither do i, i tend to just open them up in a file archive program |
| 04:32.34 | Dewi | hdtdi: yeah. install means upgrade when already installed |
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| 04:32.56 | gnarface | aPpYe: i think it's mount -t loopback -o iso9660 [filename] |
| 04:32.59 | Dewi | hdtdi: it will choose the details for you that way |
| 04:33.01 | aPpYe | Arrowmaster: isn't that gonna start an installer expectign a cd-rom though? |
| 04:33.18 | Dewi | hdtdi: I expect the upgrade will probably take version '2.6.32+27~bpo50+1' |
| 04:34.20 | aPpYe | Arrowmaster: where would those files be located on the iso? |
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| 04:35.44 | hdtdi | now i nedd to reboot right? |
| 04:35.58 | Arrowmaster | actually right now i dont think its possible |
| 04:36.08 | Arrowmaster | i think somebody messed something up |
| 04:37.02 | gnarface | does anyone know of the name of that lenny installer with an updated kernel. i've seen people ask dpkg about it dozens of times but i can't remember the name. it's not jigdo it starts with a k |
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| 04:40.08 | hdtdi | Dewi, gnarface wireless is working perfect now |
| 04:40.15 | gnarface | hdtdi: hooraaaay! |
| 04:40.29 | Dewi | hdtdi: awesome |
| 04:40.32 | hdtdi | i see all networks i am even connected to mine right now :) |
| 04:40.47 | hdtdi | thanks a lot guys ;)~ |
| 04:40.50 | Dewi | hdtdi: wireless keeps on improving a lot as time passes |
| 04:40.52 | Dewi | hdtdi: np |
| 04:41.29 | Dewi | hdtdi: backports is a great source for things whenever the stable version just isn't enough |
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| 04:43.19 | hdtdi | ok i dont understand if backports do "great job" why dont debian.. start do the same what backports do.. |
| 04:46.12 | gnarface | hdtdi: to truly understand this you have to understand what they mean by "stable" first. "stability" doesn't refer to system stability (the ratio of crashy to non-crashy of individual systems) - not directly at least. by "stable" they're referring specifically to the rate of change of the packages in the distro. however i suspect that if you work long enough with debian you'll come to the same conclusion I have - run unstable |
| 04:46.12 | gnarface | on your desktops, run stable on your servers. |
| 04:47.02 | jpinx-eeepc | stable is good for me on eeepc :) |
| 04:47.02 | seisatsu | Hey |
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| 04:47.25 | seisatsu | I want to attach timidity to an alsa midi port, and output the sound directly to an ogg file. |
| 04:47.41 | seisatsu | Assuming I have a keyboard connected on port 20:0 |
| 04:47.41 | gnarface | hdtdi: but to be fair... ubuntu is basically a distro that is an answer to your concern here, but as you can see the speed of updates causes the quality control to suffer a bit... |
| 04:47.59 | gnarface | seisatsu: ooh ooh i want to know how to do that too! |
| 04:48.17 | hdtdi | :) |
| 04:48.36 | seisatsu | I only know how to make it play files into an ogg. |
| 04:49.00 | gnarface | well |
| 04:49.09 | gnarface | seisatsu: you could just pipe to aplay right? |
| 04:49.27 | seisatsu | huh? |
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| 04:49.38 | seisatsu | I don't really know what you mean. |
| 04:49.47 | seisatsu | I'd rather use timidity anyhow. |
| 04:49.55 | seisatsu | I know it's capable of doing this |
| 04:51.13 | gnarface | oh i see |
| 04:51.22 | gnarface | well i don't know timidity |
| 04:51.24 | gnarface | i just know what it is |
| 04:52.14 | gnarface | you can make it play pre-recorded midi files to an ogg but you want to make it output live play to an ogg instead? |
| 04:53.24 | Dewi | hdtdi: stability is a continuous curve; debian stable is one of the most solid there is, but it gets outdated. |
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| 04:55.02 | Dewi | hdtdi: I tend to run it on servers rather than the desktop |
| 04:55.17 | hdtdi | like gnarface said :) |
| 04:55.25 | hdtdi | stable - servers - unstable desktop |
| 04:55.46 | seisatsu | I FIGURED IT OUT |
| 04:55.49 | seisatsu | gnarface |
| 04:55.50 | gnarface | hdtdi: the age of the hardware itself is a big key factor too, of course |
| 04:55.50 | seisatsu | timidity -iA -Ov -o midi.ogg |
| 04:55.58 | gnarface | seisatsu: nice |
| 04:55.59 | seisatsu | It opens asound timidity ports |
| 04:56.06 | Dewi | hdtdi: well I'd always choose testing over unstable, and I'd consider ubuntu for desktop too since that is more its focus |
| 04:56.21 | seisatsu | so you can connect a midi input, and it outputs to the ogg file instead of looping back to alsa. |
| 04:56.31 | gnarface | cool |
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| 04:57.06 | Dewi | hdtdi: ubuntu updates every 6 months, testing/unstable update continuously |
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| 04:57.33 | Dewi | hdtdi: debian stable is 1.5 to 2.5 years |
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| 04:59.09 | Jon2 | hi - i have a question about gc_timeout |
| 04:59.24 | Jon2 | Most docs say this is when routes are cleared from the cache |
| 04:59.29 | Jon2 | but the following post -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Linux_Router_Configuration_0 |
| 04:59.40 | Jon2 | seems to say it can be used as a failover mechanism |
| 05:00.49 | hdtdi | Dewi, last question.. when i install package with dpkg -i package.deb how to remove it? i mean its dpkg --purge package.. but where can i find the name of the package |
| 05:01.05 | Dewi | hdtdi: dpkg --list |
| 05:01.14 | gnarface | Jon2: why can't it be both? |
| 05:01.32 | Dewi | hdtdi: with '| grep <pattern>' to filter |
| 05:01.46 | hdtdi | yep yep :) |
| 05:01.48 | hdtdi | thanks |
| 05:02.11 | Jon2 | @gnarface: - how can it work for both |
| 05:02.28 | gnarface | Jon2: i've never messed with it but if you search this page: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.kernel.obscure.html for the string gc_elasticity and the string gc_timeout maybe it will answer your question |
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| 05:03.22 | gnarface | Jon2: it's not so much that it IS a failover mechanism, as that the speed at which those routes will update directly controls the speed of your failover mechanism |
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| 05:05.34 | Jon2 | gnarface: I have read that, but it's not very clear whether gc_timeout is when an entry in the cache expires or when a a gateway itself is declared dead |
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| 05:07.14 | gnarface | Jon2: i don't know either, i'm sorry. |
| 05:08.12 | Jon2 | anyone else around who knows about gc_timeout |
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| 05:10.18 | gnarface | Jon2: hey check this out: http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_net_ipv4_route_gc_timeout.html and this: http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_net_ipv4_route_gc_elasticity.html |
| 05:10.25 | gnarface | seems pretty clear from that description |
| 05:11.15 | hdtdi | ahah Dewi any experience with sound ? i just opened youtube and.. i dont hear a thing :D |
| 05:11.16 | gnarface | this may also be relevant: http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_net_ipv4_route_gc_interval.html |
| 05:11.43 | gnarface | hdtdi: step one, run alsamixer and make sure your volumes are all unmuted and up. |
| 05:11.55 | hdtdi | gnarface, i tried that but i dont have alsamixer |
| 05:12.04 | gnarface | well fuckin install it |
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| 05:12.23 | hdtdi | isnt there some pulse audio or something like that that handles my sound |
| 05:12.31 | gnarface | fuck pulse audio |
| 05:12.34 | gnarface | uninstall that if you have it |
| 05:12.36 | Arrowmaster | thats on ubuntu |
| 05:12.42 | gnarface | uninstall esound too. |
| 05:12.45 | gnarface | they're a menace |
| 05:13.11 | gnarface | hdtdi: install these alsa packages: alsa-base, alsa-oss, alsa-tools, alsa-utils |
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| 05:14.29 | hdtdi | done |
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| 05:14.52 | gnarface | ok, now the second important thing to understand is that your sound hardware may not support hardware mixing |
| 05:15.06 | Arrowmaster | !alsa checklist |
| 05:15.07 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 05:15.42 | hdtdi | brb |
| 05:15.44 | gnarface | hdtdi: so without complicated configuration changes, your window manager's sound effects may tie up your soundcard before any of your desktop programs can access it. |
| 05:15.47 | gnarface | woops... |
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| 05:16.02 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: really the lack of hardware mixing by default issue needs to go into that checklist |
| 05:16.25 | gnarface | #1 problem with alsa is people don't realize that out-of-the box you don't get software mixing by default |
| 05:16.26 | Arrowmaster | alsa is supposed to detect that and enable dmix, but it doesnt always work |
| 05:16.47 | gnarface | it only works if the userspace programs grab the right device, which they almost NEVER do |
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| 05:17.10 | gnarface | so people need to understand the difference between 'default' and hw:0 if they are to successfully work with alsa |
| 05:17.11 | Arrowmaster | whats the right device? |
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| 05:17.13 | Dewi | hdtdi: no, sorry |
| 05:17.22 | Dewi | hdtdi: there's a fair bit of software setup needed around sound |
| 05:17.42 | Dewi | hdtdi: and used to be a number of different systems to manage it |
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| 05:18.03 | hdtdi | so.. i logout loged in.. raised the levels of the sound and unmuted it |
| 05:19.26 | gnarface | hdtdi: if you follow that checklist arrowmaster pulled out of dpkg and it still doesn't work, then log out of X entirely and try playing a file at the console with aplay or mpg321 or something like that. we need to determine whether or not sound is actually working and just tied up by your window manager or not |
| 05:19.28 | hdtdi | gnarface, i have artsd running is this the arts that i need to stop ? |
| 05:19.42 | gnarface | hdtdi: yea get rid of arts too, unless you're using kde you don't need it |
| 05:19.52 | hdtdi | i am using kde |
| 05:19.57 | gnarface | oh |
| 05:19.59 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 05:20.01 | gnarface | i don't know arts |
| 05:20.08 | simonrvn | yes kill artsd |
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| 05:20.10 | gnarface | or kde really. |
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| 05:20.28 | simonrvn | in some ways it's worse than the old esd |
| 05:20.52 | hdtdi | i killed artsd |
| 05:20.54 | simonrvn | pulseaudio is the lesser 'evil' of the 3 |
| 05:21.01 | hdtdi | i dont find any esound |
| 05:21.03 | gnarface | they're all kinda hazardous |
| 05:21.22 | simonrvn | the daemon is called esd, and kde doesn't use it |
| 05:21.26 | hdtdi | what does oss modules unloaded? |
| 05:21.27 | gnarface | best to uninstall them and just wrap your head around alsa (which definitely could use something resembling documentation) |
| 05:21.28 | hdtdi | mean |
| 05:21.49 | alcy | folks, isn't there any authoritative source of documentation regarding preseeding ? There are quite a few changes compared to Lenny. A bunch of kernel paramaters need to be passed (already existing in preseed file) now compared to lenny |
| 05:21.59 | simonrvn | their wiki has improved somewhat |
| 05:22.20 | gnarface | simonrvn: i would agree with that statement but with a strong emphasis on "somewhat" |
| 05:22.35 | Ping_Floyd | is there a reason why a iwlist captures more wireless networks than gnome-network manager? |
| 05:23.12 | gnarface | Ping_Floyd: don't really know but i'd just venture a guess that maybe gnome-network manager is dropping networks with signal strength below a certain threshold? |
| 05:23.52 | simonrvn | network manager still has issues ;) |
| 05:23.59 | simonrvn | Ping_Floyd: try wicd maybe |
| 05:24.14 | simonrvn | ah possibly |
| 05:25.04 | Ping_Floyd | well yes.... gnome drop weaker signals |
| 05:26.17 | gnarface | hdtdi: what was that about oss? you should ditch your oss drivers too as they are in conflict with the alsa drivers and alsa has a pretty good oss compatibility implementation anyway |
| 05:26.33 | simonrvn | i second that |
| 05:26.59 | gnarface | actually these days it works better for me than oss does |
| 05:27.16 | gnarface | oss used to be the shit though |
| 05:27.36 | simonrvn | there's an oss4 now |
| 05:27.51 | sweetpi | alcy: what are you having to pass to the kernel? iirc I only have to pass 2 extra options |
| 05:28.22 | hdtdi | gnarface, now how to check if they are disalbed? |
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| 05:29.08 | alcy | sweetpi: compared to lenny, a lot of parameters ! I am talking about squueze. For eg., hostname, domain name, console-keymaps-at |
| 05:29.09 | hdtdi | i found one command in internet how to check which processes are using my sound and there is only iceweasel (youtube) |
| 05:29.53 | sweetpi | alcy: yes I meant squeeze as well |
| 05:30.04 | EGreg__ | EGreg__ reminisces about how many features of http://digicrime.com used to work MAD EFFECTIVELY |
| 05:30.29 | sweetpi | alcy: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/example-preseed.txt |
| 05:30.47 | gnarface | hdtdi: did you try playing a sound file at the console after exiting out of X completely? |
| 05:30.58 | hdtdi | mm no |
| 05:31.18 | gnarface | did you go through the checklist too? make sure your user is in the audio group and all that? |
| 05:31.21 | sweetpi | !tell alcy about preseed |
| 05:31.25 | sweetpi | fail |
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| 05:32.22 | alcy | sweetpi: thanks for the link. but console-keymaps-at (and hostname too) needs to be passed as a kernel paramater as well, otherwise the installer will prompt for it. |
| 05:32.49 | alcy | sweetpi: or set the hostname incorrectly |
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| 05:34.00 | hdtdi | gnarface, i am in audio group and i dont hear a sound when i exit x |
| 05:34.16 | gnarface | hdtdi: pastebin the output of lsmod for me |
| 05:34.21 | sweetpi | alcy: yes, i didnt see a problem with setting console-keymaps-at, since it needs that before my preseed file is served by apache |
| 05:35.04 | sweetpi | alcy: Im new to preseeding so take what i say as bs :) |
| 05:35.26 | hdtdi | gnarface, http://pastebin.com/NeZbgXyK |
| 05:35.53 | alcy | sweetpi: errm, ok. its probably a bug as even though it is set in the preseed file, it still needs to be passed as a kernel paramater |
| 05:36.43 | hdtdi | hmm i have this oss things.. |
| 05:37.23 | gnarface | hdtdi: lsmod looks right to me at first glance. which oss things do you have? |
| 05:37.57 | hdtdi | isnt snd_mixer_oss |
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| 05:38.07 | gnarface | hdtdi: snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss are normal. your alsa driver can use them too because you installed the alsa-oss package |
| 05:38.20 | hdtdi | i see |
| 05:38.21 | sweetpi | alcy: I was under the impression that it had to be set because networking wasnt up. I guess if the preseed file isnt being served over the network it would be a bug to have to pass it as a kernel param |
| 05:38.23 | hdtdi | than its ok |
| 05:38.42 | gnarface | hdtdi: you checked to make sure pulseaudio, artsd, esd and such are not running? |
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| 05:39.42 | hdtdi | ah |
| 05:39.47 | hdtdi | artsd was runing |
| 05:39.51 | gnarface | kill it |
| 05:39.53 | gnarface | then uninstall it |
| 05:39.57 | hdtdi | yes now i have sound but |
| 05:40.03 | gnarface | !? |
| 05:40.06 | hdtdi | but |
| 05:40.06 | gnarface | now you have sound? |
| 05:40.09 | hdtdi | yes i have |
| 05:40.09 | gnarface | ... |
| 05:40.13 | gnarface | hooraaay! |
| 05:40.28 | hdtdi | but when i aptitude remove arts (it wants me to uninstall the whole kde-core) |
| 05:40.38 | hdtdi | thani apt-get remove arts |
| 05:40.39 | gnarface | well that's annoying |
| 05:40.48 | hdtdi | and i still have it :S |
| 05:41.01 | gnarface | apt-get --purge arts |
| 05:41.48 | gnarface | gone now? |
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| 05:42.17 | hdtdi | nope |
| 05:42.30 | gnarface | --purge really didn't work? |
| 05:42.38 | gnarface | maybe apt-get --purge remove arts? |
| 05:42.51 | hdtdi | yeah yeah but |
| 05:43.14 | hdtdi | http://pastebin.com/5gPfgRD1 |
| 05:43.16 | hdtdi | look at that |
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| 05:43.31 | gnarface | oh god |
| 05:43.34 | gnarface | i don't know what any of that is for |
| 05:43.36 | gnarface | ok |
| 05:43.51 | gnarface | you might have to force it to never start by fiddling with your /etc/rc?.d symlinks |
| 05:44.12 | gnarface | do this: ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*arts* |
| 05:44.27 | gnarface | then rename everything that shows up to the same name but with a K as the first letter instead of an S |
| 05:44.37 | gnarface | that should keep it from starting up automatically, i think |
| 05:45.13 | simonrvn | aptitude purge arts |
| 05:45.40 | gnarface | simonrvn: he's using KDE and it wants to uninstall all of KDE then :( |
| 05:46.17 | hdtdi | wait |
| 05:46.23 | simonrvn | he should unmark auto some stuff |
| 05:46.27 | simonrvn | !unmarkauto |
| 05:46.28 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 05:46.56 | gnarface | aah, good to know |
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| 05:47.20 | gnarface | i would have just crammed a monkey wrench in it |
| 05:47.23 | hdtdi | gnarface, i removed it :) now when i log into kde i have the welcome ound |
| 05:47.33 | gnarface | awesome |
| 05:47.36 | gnarface | now the real question: |
| 05:47.48 | hdtdi | thanks :) again !! |
| 05:47.50 | gnarface | can you play youtube videos and mp3 audio at the same time and hear both? |
| 05:48.00 | hdtdi | oo thats a tricky question :D |
| 05:48.07 | gnarface | try it out |
| 05:48.13 | hdtdi | ok |
| 05:48.31 | hdtdi | ye[ |
| 05:48.34 | hdtdi | i can |
| 05:48.35 | gnarface | yes? |
| 05:48.40 | gnarface | you have a very nice soundcard |
| 05:48.47 | gnarface | congratulations |
| 05:48.58 | hdtdi | i have a different question.. |
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| 05:49.39 | hdtdi | when i was with ubuntu.. i talk in skype.. and just like that.. my microphone stops working.. i need to reboot to make it work again.. was that because as Arrowmaster said ubuntu use pulseuadio ? |
| 05:50.05 | gnarface | could be |
| 05:50.22 | simonrvn | pa probably blocked or crashed and skype is buggy... |
| 05:50.29 | gnarface | some cards have trouble with simultaneous recording+playback though |
| 05:50.35 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 05:51.13 | gnarface | often you can get around these troubles with a specially crafted ~/.asoundrc and a little hammering at the app config but that's where the alsa documentation starts to fall radically short of sufficient |
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| 05:52.14 | gnarface | if it worked for a while then just stopped suddenly i'd put my money on skype being buggy rubbish like simonrvn said, though |
| 05:52.49 | gnarface | skype and pulseaudio both, really |
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| 05:54.01 | hdtdi | yeah its like that.. but i cant recall if its tops suddenly or if i open youtube or other sound source.. like movie or a song.. |
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| 05:55.36 | gnarface | hdtdi: well the first thing you'll want to figure out is how many simultaneous recording and playback channels your card can do in hardware |
| 05:55.46 | Gangosan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.46 | hdtdi | how can i do that? like talking to test call in skype, playing youtube, mplayer and something from /sounds/alsa/ ? |
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| 06:00.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hello, I was wondering if I install a package, lets say VLC for example, within the gnome desktop, if I take all of the packages that were downloaded in the gnome environment, to a different installation that has KDE, fluxbox, etc, installed as the graphical desktop instead, or window manager, is there any chance that a dependency will be missing? For example maybe a library or package that is a part of the gnome desktop will be missing? |
| 06:01.07 | jpinx-eeepc | hdtdi: did you try alsa? ( I didn't read all the scroll-back) |
| 06:01.41 | hdtdi | jpinx-eeepc, about the sound? i have sound now :) |
| 06:02.11 | jpinx-eeepc | hdtdi: I have vlc skype youtube all capable of playing at the same time |
| 06:02.35 | jpinx-eeepc | hdtdi: ok - glad you got sound :) |
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| 06:03.00 | gnarface | hdtdi: i'd google for specs on your specific hardware first. reverse-engineering that figure through alsa is painful at best |
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| 06:05.36 | hdtdi | gnarface, thanks verrrry much for your help |
| 06:05.41 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 06:08.22 | kingsley | Which package do you use to manager your mp3 player, and how do you like it? |
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| 06:10.14 | gnarface | kingsley: personally i don't use just one. i play stuff with audacious from a directory of mp3 and m3u files generated by asunder (which i've managed to tweak to behave more like grip but it's not perfect) |
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| 06:13.09 | cahoot | kingsley: manage in what respect? |
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| 06:14.07 | kingsley | cahoot: Thanks for asking. By "manage", I mean loading mp3s onto the mp3 player, and deleting them. |
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| 06:15.01 | gnarface | kingsley: you're looking for something like itunes, aren't you? |
| 06:15.17 | kingsley | gnarface: Yes, I suppose I am. |
| 06:15.38 | slvmchn | i always used XMMS because it was laid out like winamp |
| 06:15.47 | slvmchn | but that's not necessarily good for sorting through lots of music |
| 06:16.13 | slvmchn | oh i didn't see the bit about loading onto the mp3 player... what kind of mp3 player is it? |
| 06:16.44 | kingsley | slvmchn: It's a "Sansa Fuse" from SanDisk. |
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| 06:17.58 | gnarface | kingsley: i'm convinced that the best way to do this in linux is still just console tools (mv/cp, etc) for the actual loading/unloading part. asunder or the like for the ripping part, and a winamp-esque player (xmms, audacious) for the local playback feature. as far as i know there's no 1 integrated solution that does all that for you like itunes |
| 06:18.26 | gnarface | i'd be surprised if someone wasn't working on such a project though |
| 06:18.39 | gnarface | i'm sure if they're out there they'd appreciate user feedback too |
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| 06:19.48 | kingsley | gnarface: So, would you just plug the mp3 player into a USB port, mount it, and use command line tools like "cp" and "rm" to access the mp3 player's file system? |
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| 06:20.27 | Dewi | kingsley: nautilus & automount probably enables all that |
| 06:20.29 | gnarface | kingsley: that's the way i've always seen it done in linux. i've even had limited success doing so with an ipod nano (mini?) |
| 06:20.35 | Dewi | kingsley: if you don't like the command line |
| 06:21.02 | kingsley | I'm a-ok with the command line. |
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| 06:21.45 | gnarface | kingsley: the trick is to find a ripping program that will make good standard m3u files in a directory with subdirectories of the structure [artist name]/[album name]/[mp3 files] |
| 06:22.05 | Dewi | gnarface / kingsley : musicbrainz picard |
| 06:22.31 | Dewi | I don't know if it makes m3us but it's very good at obtaining and applying metadata to tags and paths |
| 06:22.58 | gnarface | Dewi: +1 to you for a good app suggestion |
| 06:23.02 | Onia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.35 | gnarface | still just manges his stuff the old fashioned way. simple directory structures and m3u files that winamp/xmms/audacious can read |
| 06:23.38 | Dewi | it's one of the very few things I use X for in debian. I think I used the source rather than the debian package tho |
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| 06:44.18 | Epitrope | I'm trying to set up d-i preseeding, and bug #509723 says that it's possible to load the preseed file via tftp, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to tell d-i to do so |
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| 06:46.43 | Epitrope | and of course, as soon as I say something, I figure it out: appending "preseed/url=tftp://<serverIP>/<filename>" |
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| 06:50.19 | Epitrope | how would I go about suggesting that this be added to the manual? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-loading |
| 06:53.07 | gnarface | Epitrope: that's a good question, and i really hope someone answers it |
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| 06:58.47 | Epitrope | I'd imagine that I'd file a bug of some sort against the documentation, but I'm not really sure how to do that |
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| 07:01.54 | kingsley | Epitrope: You can use the debian utility named "reportbug" to file a bug report against a debian package. |
| 07:02.45 | Epitrope | kingsley: against what package should I file the bug report? |
| 07:02.56 | kingsley | Epitrope: However, I suspect that the debian installer is not a package. |
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| 07:03.24 | kingsley | Epitrope: Furthermore, one can not use "reportbug" until debian is installed. |
| 07:04.33 | kingsley | Epitrope: So, in this case, I suppose I suggest searching Google's indices for the email address of someone who has worked on debian's installer, and sending them an email. |
| 07:05.13 | kingsley | Epitrope: Does that make sense? |
| 07:05.29 | sweetpi | Epitrope: file a bug against "installation-guide" |
| 07:06.10 | Epitrope | kingsley: yes, it makes sense, but I like sweetpi's answer better :-) |
| 07:06.15 | Epitrope | sweetpi: thanks |
| 07:06.55 | sweetpi | np |
| 07:07.36 | kingsley | OK |
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| 07:15.16 | alcy | folks, accidentally deleted the /etc/services file on squeeze, any suggestions on restoring it somehow ? is there a backup file for it ? |
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| 07:16.38 | HackeMate | hello, searching at apt openvpn i find this - virtual private network daemon / is this really the server? and if it, where is the client |
| 07:16.41 | HackeMate | im looking for server |
| 07:18.12 | quiritius | my dell d630 resumes to a console with some text messages instead of tty7 where X is running. i need to manually switch tty after resume. any way to fix that? |
| 07:18.24 | Epitrope | alcy: not helpful now, but you might check out the package "etckeeper" to prevent such problems in the future |
| 07:19.36 | alcy | Epitrope: thanks for the package. and thankfully, it was just a test machine. :) |
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| 07:21.03 | Epitrope | alcy: sure. and, that's a good place to make mistakes |
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| 07:45.39 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: ? |
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| 07:47.28 | peterrooney | alcy: you might want to reinstall netbase manually, plus /msg dpkg confmiss for additional suggestions. |
| 07:49.42 | alcy | peterrooney: thanks ;) |
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| 07:57.11 | fishcooker | any pointer to hack the server?! |
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| 08:00.54 | gypsymauro | where can I find a valid repository for etch? |
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| 08:03.14 | gypsymauro | doh... they disappears on packages.debian.org.. |
| 08:03.23 | gypsymauro | it's etch completly disappeared from the web?? |
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| 08:06.07 | Internat | !tell gypsymauro about etch-sources |
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| 08:06.51 | Internat | !tell gypsymauro about etch sources.list |
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| 08:09.24 | gypsymauro | tanx Internat I know that's better to install lenny but I've an old php4 program and I need to convert it to php5 but it will take half month of work so for now I'll use an old etch :) |
| 08:09.50 | gypsymauro | i din't find a way to run php4 on lenny |
| 08:10.07 | Shadur | gypsymauro: That's because php4 is badly outdated and no longer supported. |
| 08:10.16 | gypsymauro | Shadur: yes I know |
| 08:10.27 | Shadur | gypsymauro: At this point there are very, /very/ few reasons not to run PHP5 instead, and all of them are bad ones. |
| 08:10.44 | gypsymauro | I'm migrating all the program in python, but I can't wait until the work is finish |
| 08:11.09 | Shadur | In fact, php5 is almost entirely backward compatible with php4 except for obvious bad coding practices that shouldn't be repeated anyway. |
| 08:11.16 | gypsymauro | Shadur: I already tried to test it in php5 but there are too much things that are broken so I decided to rewrite it completly |
| 08:11.50 | Shadur | gypsymauro: Let me guess, your script depends on register_globals being set to on? |
| 08:12.02 | gypsymauro | btw the mirror Internat works perfectly :) |
| 08:12.51 | gypsymauro | no Shadur it depends on some imap and mime libraries that are no longer supported and the breaks on php5 |
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| 08:31.59 | nsadmin | [jgeboski] (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski): jgeboski exhibits bot semantics: |
| 08:32.22 | nsadmin | <jgeboski> Error: You must be identified to use the !forget command. |
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| 08:34.38 | KB1JWQ | Idiot question. With a stock debian install, will I automatically get the 5.0.5 updates? |
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| 08:35.16 | Dewi | KB1JWQ: yes, if you run 'aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade' |
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| 08:35.27 | Keops77 | Wyz :p |
| 08:35.30 | nsadmin | KB1JWQ: in some cases you may have to install then upgrade the base |
| 08:35.32 | KB1JWQ | Dewi: Okay. Why then does /etc/issue still claim 5.0? |
| 08:35.40 | wyz | hello , i have a small problem after a debian update : it seems like my dm_crypt module isnt loaded anymore |
| 08:35.45 | wyz | Keops77, ;) |
| 08:35.47 | Dewi | KB1JWQ: try /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:36.04 | wyz | and i dont know how to resolve this problem |
| 08:36.12 | Dewi | KB1JWQ: I guess issue doesn't update for incremental |
| 08:36.16 | KB1JWQ | Dewi: Ah, there we go. |
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| 08:36.57 | KB1JWQ | Next question! If I have a few backports installed via -t lenny-backports, and the repo is normally disabled, how do I get updates to those packages? Will aptitude safe-upgrade take their origin into consideration? |
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| 08:37.25 | KB1JWQ | If I aptitude safe-upgrade -t lenny-backports, it tries to update a lot of stuff I'd REALLY rather not touch. :-) |
| 08:37.36 | themill | KB1JWQ: no, you need to pin the repo as described on their instructions page |
| 08:37.50 | Dewi | themill: no different from what he's doing really |
| 08:38.05 | themill | Dewi: umm.. very different, actually |
| 08:38.12 | Dewi | themill: how so? |
| 08:38.23 | Dewi | themill: it never downgrades or uninstalls automatically |
| 08:38.49 | themill | Dewi: KB1JWQ wants upgrades that are uploaded to bpo to existing packages from bpo to be automatically found. |
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| 08:39.00 | KB1JWQ | An example. 1.5.20-5~bpo50+1 is my mutt version number. It's installed from backports. |
| 08:39.13 | Dewi | oh, right |
| 08:39.15 | KB1JWQ | If a new version comes out into backports, how do I update mutt without blowing my system to hell> |
| 08:39.21 | Dewi | KB1JWQ: does the -t thing try to backport everything? |
| 08:39.26 | themill | KB1JWQ, Dewi: you need to pin lenny-backports at a number between 100 and 500. See the instructions on their page |
| 08:39.55 | themill | Dewi: yes, -t is equivalent to setting a pin for that repo at 990. Not what you want |
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| 08:40.04 | Dewi | nods |
| 08:40.33 | KB1JWQ | Er... The -t flag only works in apt-get, not aptitude. |
| 08:40.37 | KB1JWQ | Okay, time to read about pinning. :-) |
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| 08:40.59 | Dewi | KB1JWQ: man apt_preferences anyway |
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| 08:41.10 | KB1JWQ | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions <-- The first section is what I did back when I set this up. |
| 08:41.36 | themill | KB1JWQ: -t works with aptitude too. But it's not what you want when you're doing upgrades. You need to re-read the entire page (the last section has exactly what you need) |
| 08:41.41 | KB1JWQ | Ah, bottom of the page. |
| 08:41.44 | KB1JWQ | There we go. |
| 08:41.47 | KB1JWQ | Thanks, themill. |
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| 08:42.21 | themill | np |
| 08:42.42 | Dewi | KB1JWQ: I used to use this to identify backports: Pin: release a=etch-backports |
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| 08:43.25 | Dewi | KB1JWQ: presumably same will work with lenny-backports, but I haven't tried |
| 08:43.40 | KB1JWQ | Yeah. Looks like nothing I"m using from backports has been updated yet; I've updated /etc/apt/preferences though. |
| 08:43.42 | themill | Dewi: it does -- that's precisely what is mentioned on their instructions page |
| 08:44.11 | Dewi | KB1JWQ: you'll need to uncomment the source for it to be useful of course |
| 08:44.21 | themill | KB1JWQ: you can check the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy somepackage" to make sure that your pinning is correct. |
| 08:45.04 | themill | Dewi: by "normally disabled", I presume KB1JWQ meant that it has a default pin of 1, not that he has it commented out most of the time. |
| 08:45.47 | Dewi | themill: well, hopefully. That'd be less lazy than I am. :) |
| 08:45.53 | KB1JWQ | I'm not commenting anything out. :-) |
| 08:46.10 | Dewi | feels suitably shamed |
| 08:46.23 | themill | Dewi: err... no it's the repo that sets the default pin to be 1. No laziness or otherwise requied. |
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| 08:46.50 | solars | hi, I've got a problem: we have slapd 2.4.11-1+lenny1 on a machine and I encountered problems with tls when connecting. I read that this is caused by gnutls builds. does anyone know if an upgrade helps and this was solved in later releases? |
| 08:46.56 | KB1JWQ | Right. By default backports won't shoot you in the face. |
| 08:47.05 | Dewi | oh... I always thought I had to do it explicitly |
| 08:47.19 | Dewi | that's right, paranoid AND lazy, somehow |
| 08:47.29 | KB1JWQ | I just don't want to install a backport once and then be left behind as time marches on and bugs get patched. |
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| 09:04.17 | peritus | how can i make aptitude not install Recommends, without specifying -R on every invocation? |
| 09:04.30 | themill | dpkg: tell peritus about apt recomments |
| 09:04.32 | themill | dpkg: tell peritus about apt recommends |
| 09:04.49 | themill | peritus: but understand that the default configuration is that way for a reason. |
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| 09:05.08 | i5513 | hi! |
| 09:05.21 | i5513 | I'm trying to update from lenny to squeeze |
| 09:05.39 | i5513 | but I'm having trouble with grub - linux-image and udev dependencies |
| 09:06.09 | themill | i5513: udev spits out an error message. Read it carefully and follow its instructions |
| 09:06.13 | i5513 | do you have if there is any site in wiki.debian.org or internet where it is explained how could I solved it ? |
| 09:06.29 | i5513 | themill: I can't install linux-image-2.6.32 :( |
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| 09:06.42 | peritus | themill: thank you |
| 09:07.14 | i5513 | linux-image.2.6.32 won't install because it need grub |
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| 09:07.36 | themill | i5513: it tells you to create a file in /etc that will then allow both udev and linux-image to install. |
| 09:07.42 | themill | i5513: btw is this a remote machine or local? |
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| 09:08.10 | i5513 | is a remote, but I have access to console |
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| 09:09.09 | themill | i5513: ok, then you should be ok to do that. There's a chance you may lose network connectivity during the udev restart.... but that will allow you to install udev, install the newer kernel and reboot into the new kernel. |
| 09:09.35 | i5513 | themill: Ok, then I need to create: /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade, it is ok ? |
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| 09:10.20 | themill | i5513: yes. btw you know that squeeze is not recommended for production use on servers just yet. |
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| 09:11.13 | i5513 | themill: yes, I know this server is only to manage 2 filesystems to backup files |
| 09:11.31 | i5513 | themill: I wanted to test lenny-squeeze upgrade in this server |
| 09:12.01 | Dewi | i5513: you'd be better off testing in a VM than a remote server, heh |
| 09:12.31 | i5513 | Dewi: yes, this is a vm |
| 09:12.59 | i5513 | linux-image-2.6.32 installation tell about: .: 24: Can't open /usr/lib/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib |
| 09:13.19 | i5513 | from grub-pc |
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| 09:14.39 | sylar | when I connect a USB flash drive, it take it a lot of time to auto mount, and I see in the system monitor a lot of iowait |
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| 09:23.23 | i5513 | ok, after installing grub from squeeze it was ok |
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| 09:25.14 | HerrBlume | hello, i have to resolve a package confilict |
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| 09:25.34 | HerrBlume | i have libc6 version 2.7-13, but need 2.3.6 |
| 09:25.59 | HerrBlume | Is there a simple way to resolve this? |
| 09:26.15 | HerrBlume | (I simply want to install build-essential) |
| 09:26.44 | Arrowmaster | youve got something else messed up if you need 2.3.6 to install build-essential |
| 09:26.51 | HerrBlume | yes |
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| 09:27.09 | HerrBlume | it's an debian etch |
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| 09:27.17 | HerrBlume | and some unstable packages are installed |
| 09:27.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah because you should never mix unstable with anything except testing |
| 09:27.47 | HerrBlume | yes |
| 09:28.11 | Arrowmaster | but downgrading libc6 is a very very bad idea |
| 09:28.18 | HerrBlume | yes |
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| 09:28.45 | moldovean | HerrBlume, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 09:29.47 | i5513 | ough ... with a separated / partition with 236 MB I can't upgrade because of it want more space (it went out of space) ... |
| 09:30.30 | HerrBlume | didn't ruin this server |
| 09:31.09 | moldovean | HerrBlume, it is already .. |
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| 09:31.39 | HerrBlume | moldovean: would upgrading to lenny break suff on the ''server``? |
| 09:32.03 | Arrowmaster | , version libc6 |
| 09:32.15 | Arrowmaster | , versions libc6 |
| 09:32.16 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
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| 09:32.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah upgrade to lenny |
| 09:33.01 | Arrowmaster | your libc6 is somewhere between etch and lenny right now |
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| 09:33.10 | Ozzapoo | Hi. |
| 09:33.19 | Ozzapoo | Is there a way to get apt to ignore an update? |
| 09:33.23 | HerrBlume | ok, thanks for the help |
| 09:33.26 | HerrBlume | i will try |
| 09:33.28 | Ozzapoo | So when i do apt-get upgrade it won't show up? |
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| 09:34.00 | nsadmin | Ozzapoo, uninstall it |
| 09:34.08 | Ozzapoo | Apart from that? |
| 09:34.10 | themill | Ozzapoo: aptitude's forbid-version may help |
| 09:34.14 | Arrowmaster | Ozzapoo: aptitude has a hold and a forbid-version |
| 09:34.20 | Ozzapoo | ah, ok thanks |
| 09:34.45 | themill | Ozzapoo: unless you want to ignore *all* updates to that package not just the current one -- in that case, you'd use hold. |
| 09:34.55 | Ozzapoo | ok |
| 09:35.33 | nsadmin | Ozzapoo, what is it you're trying to accomplish? |
| 09:35.48 | Ozzapoo | I'm just trying to stop a package from wanting to update |
| 09:35.59 | i5513 | I had to uninstall iptables ... from here, I should leave at least 512 M to '/' partition ... |
| 09:36.37 | nsadmin | which and why? maybe there's another solution to the actual problem you're trying to xolve |
| 09:37.02 | themill | i5513: is /var/cache on that same partition? an "apt-get clean" or "apt-get autoclean" may be in order. Uninstalling old kernels is worthwhile too (e.g. the lenny kernel, how that you have rebooted into the squeeze kernel) |
| 09:37.14 | Ozzapoo | the new version causes some incompatibility with my software |
| 09:37.26 | Ozzapoo | and it constantly wanting to upgrade is annoying |
| 09:38.03 | nsadmin | "my software" is something you're writing? |
| 09:38.07 | Ozzapoo | yes |
| 09:38.45 | i5513 | themill: /var is in other partition |
| 09:39.33 | nsadmin | i5513, look at the output of du -s /* |
| 09:39.40 | nsadmin | which might take awhile to run |
| 09:39.43 | i5513 | themill: I'm booting now ... and it works! |
| 09:39.57 | themill | dpkg, congratulate i5513 |
| 09:39.57 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies i5513, you did it! |
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| 09:40.47 | i5513 | nsadmin: yes /lib has 172M |
| 09:41.03 | i5513 | because of modules |
| 09:41.12 | nsadmin | is that the largest? |
| 09:41.14 | i5513 | I will remove lenny kernel now |
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| 09:41.36 | i5513 | yes, / has 236M |
| 09:41.52 | nsadmin | are you using lvm? |
| 09:42.41 | nsadmin | i5513, df / |
| 09:42.52 | nsadmin | just the last line |
| 09:42.56 | i5513 | not, but I should (this is a "dirty" server" |
| 09:42.57 | i5513 | ) |
| 09:43.11 | i5513 | /dev/sda1 241116 224144 4524 99% / |
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| 09:43.34 | nsadmin | yeah, you've got some work to do... |
| 09:43.43 | i5513 | nsadmin: Don't worry, I will go to remove lenny kernel |
| 09:43.50 | i5513 | Thank you both very much |
| 09:44.05 | nsadmin | are you sure you can boot after doing that? |
| 09:44.23 | i5513 | nsadmin: I think so |
| 09:44.35 | i5513 | nsadmin: I now booting from 2.6.32 |
| 09:44.35 | nsadmin | because you have another kernel too? |
| 09:44.38 | tr4sk | Hi |
| 09:44.41 | tr4sk | I have a problem with my openvpn |
| 09:44.41 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 09:44.43 | tr4sk | I think it's an Iptables problem (not sure) |
| 09:44.46 | nsadmin | should work |
| 09:45.13 | i5513 | nsadmin: Fortunately I had /tmp in another partition ;-) |
| 09:45.41 | nsadmin | maybe you can separate /boot |
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| 09:46.20 | tr4sk | I can't ping the openvpn server but I'm able to ping two openvpn client |
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| 09:46.32 | _Dave123_ | Anyone in here using VNC for debian? |
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| 09:47.43 | nsadmin | i5513, also it might be helpful to separate /var |
| 09:48.12 | i5513 | nsadmin: yes, I have / /usr /tmp /var ... and usually /opt |
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| 09:48.29 | HackeMate | what package i need for install a vpn server? i dont find the vpnd |
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| 09:48.32 | i5513 | nsadmin: and normally in lvm |
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| 09:48.49 | i5513 | HackeMate: openvpn ? |
| 09:48.55 | HackeMate | as server? |
| 09:48.59 | nsadmin | you'd have some work ahead of you in pretty much all cases |
| 09:49.05 | HackeMate | i thought it is a client |
| 09:49.08 | Ox90 | !tell HackeMate VPN |
| 09:49.25 | HackeMate | no query received |
| 09:49.31 | Ox90 | yeah i suck |
| 09:49.37 | HackeMate | you dont :) |
| 09:49.42 | nsadmin | Ox90, or just tell him... /msg dpkg vpn |
| 09:49.52 | HackeMate | thanks nsadmin |
| 09:49.55 | nsadmin | and he can do it :) |
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| 09:50.44 | nsadmin | giving yourself suckage points is not healthy... |
| 09:51.19 | Ox90 | +1 homosexual? |
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| 09:52.08 | i5513 | My last question: will /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade a hack neccesary when squeeze born ? |
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| 09:54.13 | themill | i5513: it better not be, but that bug is a very hard one to solve and no (visible) progress has been made on it in the past few months. |
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| 09:56.17 | i5513 | themill: ok I understand, udev is broken in older kernels and not possibility having two udev in the system (maybe one unused and other active depending the kernel) |
| 09:58.01 | themill | i5513: correct. udev doesn't support that behaviour currently and neither do the debian packages. The only feasible solution that anyone has come up with so far is to either (a) document that the upgrade has to be done in a particular way (yuck!) or (b) prevent people (easily) using custom kernels with debian (there would be rioting on the streets) |
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| 10:08.50 | adac | how can I do a upgrade of a single package? and only a dry run? |
| 10:09.17 | liable | use install and --dry-run |
| 10:09.48 | liable | or whatever the syntax is, iirc its that ^^ |
| 10:09.59 | adac | liable, got it, thx! |
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| 10:11.10 | dirigeant | how can i change MTU value of a bridged interface |
| 10:11.15 | jelly-hme | themill: if udev has to be upgraded in lockstep with active kernel, one might imagine a kludge to keep using the old udev until reboot, not unlike how postgresql upgrades keep old binaries to make dump/import work |
| 10:11.32 | liable | dirigeant: ethtool i would imagine |
| 10:11.39 | liable | maybe ifconfig even |
| 10:11.43 | dirigeant | i try "ifconfig eth1 MTU 9000" or "ifconfig vmbr1 MTU 9000" but it doesnt work |
| 10:11.44 | liable | read the man pages |
| 10:12.28 | themill | jelly-hme: yes, one could imagine rewriting udev in many different ways to do this... reverting the change that makes it picky about the deprecateed sysfs layout would be the easiest, but for some reason that is also not being planned |
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| 10:18.57 | swoody | is there any way to install Debian onto ext4 partitions? Could the weekly release of testing do it? |
| 10:19.05 | swoody | or is there a way to install sid directly? |
| 10:19.48 | tr4sk | Hi, we have a problem with OpenVpn running under Debian Lenny |
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| 10:21.16 | tr4sk | Two openvpn client computer can ping together, but we can't ping anymore computer, I mean for example, the openvpn server or anyother computer on the local network |
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| 10:21.43 | tr4sk | Our configuration files. Server.conf : http://pastebin.com/2NPMRL8V |
| 10:22.01 | sylar | nautilus is taking a lot of system resources |
| 10:22.15 | tr4sk | and our bridge config files : http://pastebin.com/9PuiYFNr |
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| 10:24.46 | jelly-hme | swoody: testing installer might do it; also, you could boot installer from "/msg dpkg kmuto" and format ext4 filesystems manually |
| 10:25.12 | jo_ | dhcpd: data: hardware: raw packet not available anyone know about this in isc-dhcpd |
| 10:25.15 | jo_ | ? |
| 10:25.23 | jo_ | trying to fetch mac from hardware |
| 10:25.56 | swoody | jelly-hme: very nice, thanks for the pointers :) |
| 10:26.01 | jelly-hme | swoody: or use some livecd (eg. grml.org) to format and debootstrap to install. There's more than one way to do it |
| 10:26.02 | swoody | I will look into this a bit more |
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| 10:28.09 | jelly-hme | hm, it seems grml has a wrapper for debootstrap already http://grml.org/grml-debootstrap/ |
| 10:29.27 | jelly-hme | !tell swoody about ext4 |
| 10:30.19 | swoody | jelly-hme: great, thanks again :) |
| 10:30.34 | swoody | I'm going to try the daily build of the testing installer first |
| 10:30.56 | swoody | figure I may as well try the easiest method first ;) |
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| 10:34.36 | alcy | darn. djbdns was/is not included in squeeze ? |
| 10:35.39 | tr4sk | If anyone find any error in this conf files, can you tell me please? |
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| 10:35.53 | vinjacob | !gentoobie |
| 10:35.59 | tr4sk | http://pastebin.com/4z7aCAvf |
| 10:36.18 | tr4sk | The route print with the functionnal server (our first one running under Windows Vista) and the second route print is the client one |
| 10:36.20 | vinjacob | damn, what was that factoid again? |
| 10:36.32 | jelly-hme | alcy: it's in sid. |
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| 10:36.50 | tr4sk | And in the second part of the file, the route print of the server which doesn't work follow by the route print of the client connected |
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| 10:36.55 | jelly-hme | !tell alcy about why is djbdns not in testing |
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| 10:38.22 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to every people here ! |
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| 10:41.00 | alcy | jelly-hme: right. at the end of that bug report/issue, all that there is a request for including it in testing. darn. |
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| 10:56.26 | jelly-hme | alcy: I just use the package from sid as-is. Well, I use a lenny bakport of it |
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| 10:57.51 | alcy | jelly-hme: well, its not much of an issue, but since we were moving our stack to squeeze and integrating with puppet, it just becomes a PITA for some packages |
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| 11:04.05 | visof | is there a software to use mobile cam as webcam ? |
| 11:04.40 | thewanderer1 | "mobile cam" as in what? |
| 11:04.57 | petemc | use the camera on a mobile phone as a web cam |
| 11:04.57 | _Dave123_ | Anyone in here using VNC for debian? |
| 11:05.07 | visof | camera of my mobile thewanderer1 |
| 11:05.10 | petemc | visof: i would guess it depends on the phone |
| 11:05.18 | thewanderer1 | if you mean the mobile phone's camera, then none that I know of - I'm sure you can find some proprietary windows apps on closed-source mobile operating systems, though. |
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| 11:05.42 | thewanderer1 | other than that, it's perfectly possible with Debian (Maemo, for example) |
| 11:07.24 | thewanderer1 | if your mobile phone doesn't cooperate, you can't do anything, but Linux now contains code for sharing USB devices over IP, however experimental |
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| 11:08.05 | thewanderer1 | if you manage to get your own kernel on a phone and configure it properly there, you would be able to make use of usb-attached devices over IP, assuming that an integrated webcam uses USB internally |
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| 11:08.53 | thewanderer1 | there's also `motion` package for Debian which might be interesting to port to Maemo - it can publish live streams on its built-in HTTP server |
| 11:10.25 | rahsputin | hi. i just recieved a Atheros WL54AG PCMCIA card --> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230486273562 i have squeeze (2.6.32-5.686) installed, but cannot seem to get the card to run properly, is this card supported using this kernel version? |
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| 11:21.56 | UQlev | hi, any Russian speaking channel for Debian? |
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| 11:24.00 | rahsputin | "#debian-russian |
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| 11:24.41 | simonrvn | grabs his surf board |
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| 11:28.48 | _Dave123_ | I just installed and started vnc4server , how ever, I get only an empty X screen.. What do I do wrong? |
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| 11:29.17 | thrashold | _Dave123_: Sounds about right. vnc4server starts a simple window manager with a terminal in it. |
| 11:29.23 | _Dave123_ | Yes |
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| 11:29.30 | _Dave123_ | but I just want Gnome, like if I started it normally |
| 11:29.36 | _Dave123_ | the desktop environment |
| 11:29.49 | rahsputin | http://pastebin.com/fp2pE1WZ <<-- /etc/network/interfaces ->> the issue is that it doesnt connect to the givin ESSID ... # ifup wlan1 always ends with ...sleeping |
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| 11:30.25 | _Dave123_ | thrashold: You ever used vncserver on linux before? |
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| 11:32.09 | thewanderer1 | rahsputin: you have 2 essid's specified, and one of them contains spaces - I don't see how this could work |
| 11:32.37 | _Dave123_ | thrashold: i accidently closed the terminal, what can i do to get it back? |
| 11:32.43 | thrashold | _Dave123_: I'm not sure that's a good idea, but perhaps you're looking for x11vnc or maybe remote X login and not VNC? |
| 11:32.57 | thewanderer1 | oh, the entry above is commented out... but the spaces might still be the culprit |
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| 11:33.52 | rahsputin | thewanderer1: in which line do you se the spaces ? |
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| 11:34.54 | _Dave123_ | thrashold: i really don't know, i just need a linux gnome desktop to connect to remotely like the computer was in front of me |
| 11:34.56 | rahsputin | i also added in the remark in Pastebin just to explain that madwifi will not be used |
| 11:35.07 | _Dave123_ | thrashold: been looking for this for days, what do you recommend me? |
| 11:35.33 | _Dave123_ | thrashold: I also notice it opens like 3 ports, ip:5901, ip:5903 and ip:5904 |
| 11:36.00 | simonrvn | s,need,want, |
| 11:36.01 | thrashold | _Dave123_: I have no idea, what are you planning to use it for? |
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| 11:37.08 | _Dave123_ | thrashold: some chat clients i cannot use locally, installing and managing virtual machines |
| 11:37.08 | rahsputin | thewanderer1: eth0 is my Orinoco PCMCIA , in case i do not get the Athoros to run, this i have also had commented out before |
| 11:37.26 | rahsputin | and still the same results as explain as my Issue |
| 11:37.32 | rahsputin | ^ed |
| 11:37.52 | thrashold | _Dave123_: I'd use vncserver for the first, probably x11vnc for the second, although I don't see why you'd need X for that |
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| 11:38.57 | _Dave123_ | thrashold: its installed now anyway, I just like to do it in graphically env |
| 11:39.32 | thrashold | I don't see how X helps you manage a machine much :) |
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| 11:39.58 | _Dave123_ | Some people can do all their stuff or 99% without a graphically env, some just 50% |
| 11:40.36 | simonrvn | you don't need x. it's nice to have but you don't. |
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| 11:41.20 | _Dave123_ | Can you explain simonrvn ? |
| 11:41.40 | simonrvn | explain what? |
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| 11:52.19 | sona | Hi, will "apt-get upgrade" overwrite old config files ? |
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| 11:55.25 | greenmang0 | sona: as far as i know it asks while installing if old config differs than the new one |
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| 11:58.08 | abrotman | sona: it should prompt you |
| 11:58.24 | sona | ok, thanks |
| 11:59.03 | abrotman | sona: this implies that it is marked a conf file in the package |
| 12:00.29 | _Dave123_ | after a reboot, basically everything in the /tmp dir can be delled right?? |
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| 12:05.37 | GuySoft | hey, might anyone here know what you do when you want to move e-mails and want to connect between their GPG keys? |
| 12:05.42 | kes | why up command in interfaces don't set static routes? like ( up route add -net 82.200.102.0/23 gw 77.106.125.1 dev eth3 # TSPU-NET |
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| 12:10.04 | gusto | you have a few bans there, one i can see is alicedsl.de and the other t-dialin.net and maybe a few more that are dynamic IP adsl connections, they are bans on the IP, so you should remove it, because someone could get that IP and would so be banned, w/o knowing why |
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| 12:11.46 | rahsputin | hi. can i add lenny-backports to my sources.list using squeeze ? |
| 12:11.51 | rahsputin | !backports |
| 12:11.51 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:12.01 | _Dave123_ | what works better for a debian GUI beginner ? KDE or GNOME? |
| 12:12.14 | thewanderer1 | _Dave123_: install both and use whatever suits you |
| 12:12.20 | bezaban | _Dave123_: it's all personal preference :) |
| 12:12.31 | thewanderer1 | personally, I started with KDE - it is said to "resemble" Windows more |
| 12:12.33 | _Dave123_ | thewanderer1: how can I check whether 1 of the 2 is already installed? |
| 12:12.43 | rahsputin | KDE i find if you are used to Windows... |
| 12:12.47 | themill | rahsputin: no. it makes no sense to do so anyway |
| 12:13.02 | gusto | _Dave123_: KDE improved the last time and I think they could use some more users, on gnome there are many |
| 12:13.11 | thewanderer1 | _Dave123_: dpkg --list kde* |
| 12:13.21 | thewanderer1 | . dpkg --list gnome* |
| 12:13.30 | rahsputin | themill: i am tring to get my Atheros WL54AG PCMCIA to work properly |
| 12:13.31 | thewanderer1 | it'll give you a good approximation on what you have |
| 12:14.18 | rahsputin | themill: and there is package named madwifi-tools in that source |
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| 12:15.17 | themill | ,versions madwifi-tools |
| 12:15.19 | judd | madwifi-tools -- etch/contrib: 1:0.9.2+dfsg-1; lenny/contrib: 1:0.9.4+r3685.20080531+dfsg-1 |
| 12:15.26 | themill | rahsputin: you sure about that? |
| 12:15.59 | rahsputin | :D no not at all, but i cannot find any help in google or elsewhere on my specific Card |
| 12:16.05 | _Dave123_ | 'startkde' to start kde right? |
| 12:16.11 | _Dave123_ | hmm doesn't look installed |
| 12:16.23 | _Dave123_ | is Iceweasel the most used browser on Debian GNOME? |
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| 12:19.10 | rahsputin | themill: the ebay website show that card works using: the BackTrack Distribution ... but since i prefer to use debian, well 1+1= :) |
| 12:19.33 | themill | rahsputin: isn't that card supported by ath5k in squeeze? |
| 12:19.45 | rahsputin | yes it is |
| 12:19.58 | themill | rahsputin: so use that not madwifi |
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| 12:21.04 | rahsputin | with my Orinoco Gold card i can connect to the ESSID without any problems ... but my new Atheros card just won't connect to it |
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| 12:21.19 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: I just want to check and see if it was alright for me to attend the IRC meeting |
| 12:21.43 | rahsputin | DHCP always reads out that it sleeping after so and so many trys |
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| 12:26.20 | Innocentus | hey people |
| 12:26.25 | Innocentus | I have got a typical "You don't have permission to access / on this server."-error. |
| 12:26.34 | Innocentus | Is here anyone with expertise on this level? :) |
| 12:27.03 | rahsputin | themill: this appears also in the commandline when i insert the card: ....ath5k ph4: noise floor calibration failed (2457 MHz) |
| 12:28.45 | rahsputin | phy4 |
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| 12:29.43 | jtheuer | Innocentus: you may want to tell us what you're talking about |
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| 12:31.53 | Innocentus | [error] [client xx.xx.xx.xx] Options FollowSymLinks or SymLinksIfOwnerMatch is off which implies that RewriteRule directive is forbidden: [...] |
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| 12:47.54 | rahsputin | themill: i am guessing it has something to do with the country code |
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| 12:58.38 | Z4ndX | Hey guys. Need som help... Made a group on my server called "downloaders" Added the user "Jim" to the group. Made folder permissons: Myuser.downloaders 775, but Jim cant write in the folder? why ? |
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| 13:02.05 | swoody | woot :) |
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| 13:02.30 | swoody | the daily testing build can install on ext4 :) |
| 13:02.43 | Z4ndX | Hey guys. Need som help... Made a group on my server called "downloaders" Added the user "Jim" to the group. Made folder permissons: Myuser.downloaders 775, but Jim cant write in the folder? why ? |
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| 13:04.40 | flyeng4 | Trying to install the nvidia drivers for my card with a custom kernel (2.6.26.8 with the preempt-rt patch). It's erroring like crazy but can't make sense of it. http://pastebin.com/DY5krsVE |
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| 13:05.10 | icebrain | Z4ndX: does the folder belong to the right group? Has Jim logout/login after being added to the group? |
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| 13:05.36 | Z4ndX | icebrain: Right :D .. Forgot to logout :D .. |
| 13:05.41 | Z4ndX | Will do.. |
| 13:05.50 | flyeng4 | My card is a GeForce GT 220 |
| 13:06.28 | jordanm | flyeng4: that will not work with the lenny nvidia drivers, if that is what you are trying to use |
| 13:06.36 | jordanm | however, that will not prevent it from compiling |
| 13:06.48 | Z4ndX | icebrain: Works like a charm :D |
| 13:06.52 | Z4ndX | icebrain: Thanks man |
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| 13:07.40 | flyeng4 | jordanm: with the stock debian kernel I was able to download the driver and install it from nvidia's linux site. But with my custom kernel it errors also. Will I be able to get the card working with a custom kernel? |
| 13:08.13 | jordanm | flyeng4: the installer from nvidia.com is not supported here. see #nvidia for support |
| 13:08.39 | flyeng4 | jordanm: thanks, is that on freenode? |
| 13:08.47 | jordanm | flyeng4: yep :) |
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| 13:09.24 | jessicaBR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRL0bRup-0s |
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| 13:14.35 | thewanderer1 | what happens if I misconfigure my kernel? will GRUB detect a failed boot and reboot me into the working kernel? |
| 13:15.26 | icebrain | thewanderer1: if you have a kernel panic it'll just sit there, afaik |
| 13:15.39 | thrashold | thewanderer1: No, but you can use grub-reboot. |
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| 13:15.52 | thrashold | Also, I think there was a way to reconfigure your kernel to reboot on kernel panic IIRC |
| 13:16.29 | thrashold | The kernel.panic in sysctl.conf |
| 13:16.56 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Also, you might consider adding a script that sleeps 5 minutes and reboots to your boot scripts, should your system boot but without networking or something. |
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| 13:19.26 | thrashold | If he doesn't return soon, he didn't make it with either the new kernel or the old one |
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| 13:35.14 | ScottG | How large would you recommend making /boot? I used to have it be 32MB but recently this seems to get filled up very easily. |
| 13:35.33 | neglesaks | question: re: partitioning. does it make sense to put the boot partition in the middle of the drive? |
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| 13:35.58 | ScottG | Why would that matter? |
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| 13:36.06 | ScottG | The location on the drive |
| 13:36.07 | adrien___ | Hi there ! |
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| 13:36.32 | neglesaks | Because the transfer rate of the drive depends on where you're reading from or writing to. |
| 13:36.59 | adrien___ | I've had a problem when migrating from lenny > squeeze. My raid (md) setup doesn't find md0 (boot partition) |
| 13:37.01 | ScottG | I can't imagine that has that great of an effect |
| 13:37.09 | neglesaks | Im just wondering if anyoen here has some real world experience with placing the boot partition (or boot & swap) various places on the drive in regard to performance. |
| 13:37.11 | petemc | it used to, not so much now |
| 13:37.13 | adrien___ | But it stills boot with the new grub2 |
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| 13:37.39 | moldovean | adrien___, tru reinstalling udev |
| 13:37.43 | moldovean | try* |
| 13:38.01 | thewanderer1 | neglesaks: drives use multiple spinning disks now along with NCQ so you shouldn't care, realy |
| 13:38.32 | neglesaks | thewanderer1, well, i am a bit of a perfectionist. :) |
| 13:38.39 | thewanderer1 | besides, your disk is getting replaced by SSD in 2 years' time, so why bother? :P |
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| 13:38.58 | neglesaks | good point actually :P |
| 13:39.09 | neglesaks | tjhanks for the answers guys |
| 13:39.34 | adrien___ | moldovean: need a reboot after aptitude reinstall udev ? |
| 13:39.41 | thewanderer1 | well... |
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| 13:40.00 | moldovean | adrien___, is better |
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| 13:40.13 | thewanderer1 | Intel is providing me with some BIOS upgrade tools but they aren't saying a single word on how to make a bootable pendrive with them |
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| 13:44.46 | adrien___ | moldovean: the reboot didn't help |
| 13:44.54 | adrien___ | moldovean: can't see /dev/md0 |
| 13:45.04 | adrien___ | moldovean: whereas /dev/md1 is fully operational |
| 13:45.49 | thewanderer1 | Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. --- why am I getting this? |
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| 13:46.03 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
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| 13:47.32 | moldovean | adrien___, you have two md's md0 and md1 ? if no, try rename md1 to md0 |
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| 13:48.45 | adrien___ | moldovean: I do have both, md0 is the boot partition and md1 the / |
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| 13:50.56 | moldovean | adrien___, asking in #grub may help too ;) |
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| 13:51.02 | adrien___ | moldovean: good idea ! thanks for helping |
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| 13:51.23 | moldovean | yw |
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| 14:04.03 | ab2283 | hi #debian. is anyone familiar with the alioth lustre backport? |
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| 14:04.57 | Argafal | is familiar with meta questions. |
| 14:05.48 | ab2283 | well then. does anyone know why the alioth lustre backports are missing the ldiskfs module and how i work around it |
| 14:05.55 | ab2283 | + ? |
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| 14:16.54 | cristi8 | hi, something strange happened. i had opened some apps (pidgin, a media player, etc), and then pressed ctrl+alt+f8 to switch to another user to do something there. and after about 3 minutes (when i was on that user, playing a game) my initial user logged out and i was presented the login screen (it switched to ctrl+alt+f9 where that was running) |
| 14:17.27 | cristi8 | how can i find out why my user logged out automatically? |
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| 14:18.38 | thewanderer1 | cristi8: check for X errors in dmesg and .xsession-errors |
| 14:18.56 | thewanderer1 | your X session probably blew up - it's common with GDM and Intel drivers |
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| 14:19.42 | cristi8 | i have nvidia drivers |
| 14:19.51 | thewanderer1 | then check for errors anyway |
| 14:19.53 | cristi8 | dmesg shows nothing related |
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| 14:21.09 | cristi8 | this is my end of ~/.xsession-errors |
| 14:21.14 | cristi8 | http://codepad.org/rhxc7QOB |
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| 14:23.34 | linuxguy101 | I just isstalled debian, on a virtual box, is there a way to automatically install say kde and other windows managers, like a metapacage, or a script file? |
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| 14:24.36 | themill | linuxguy101: do you mean automatically during the install process, or to just install their packages now? the latter, I suspect: /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 14:26.17 | linuxguy101 | themill: i just installed debian and it is running gnome. |
| 14:26.26 | linuxguy101 | themill: run /msg command in root? |
| 14:26.33 | themill | linuxguy101: no, in your irc client |
| 14:26.41 | themill | dpkg: tell linuxguy101 about install kde |
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| 14:28.52 | linuxguy101 | themill: so is there a way to do it in the gui? manually selecting all the kde programs is kind of a pain |
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| 14:29.09 | themill | linuxguy101: umm.. that's not what dpkg told you to do |
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| 14:29.56 | FilipeMaia | Hi, I have an xfs directory with a size of around 300MB (the size of the directory, not the content). When I do ls i get memory exhausted. How can I estimate the number of files inside? |
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| 14:30.26 | themill | linuxguy101: with whatever package manager you wish to use, install one of the kde, kde-core or kdebase packages. (aptitude is recommended, but synaptic will do just fine too) |
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| 14:37.16 | linuxguy101 | Thaks themill got it going.. |
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| 14:37.55 | linuxguy101 | i havent used debian in about 5 years so why not try it again |
| 14:39.09 | neglesaks | indeed, do try |
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| 14:42.30 | jelly-hme | FilipeMaia: find dirname (or .) ! -name '?' -print | wc -l |
| 14:43.17 | FilipeMaia | jelly-hme: find -ls seems to work |
| 14:43.38 | jelly-hme | FilipeMaia: yeah, but it's much slower since it has to stat() each directory entry |
| 14:43.41 | FilipeMaia | jelly-hme: the problem is that rsync crashes on the directory |
| 14:43.49 | FilipeMaia | jelly-hme: true |
| 14:44.53 | FilipeMaia | jelly-hme: i guess i should submit a bug report against rsync |
| 14:44.59 | jelly-hme | FilipeMaia: find . ! -name . -print | wc -l (that '?' business was specific to my Postfix needs and lifted from a script) |
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| 14:45.28 | jelly-hme | FilipeMaia: or just... don |
| 14:45.37 | jelly-hme | 't put that many files in a single directory |
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| 14:45.59 | FilipeMaia | jelly-hme: users do silly things, but i still have to backup the systems |
| 14:46.57 | jelly-hme | FilipeMaia: policies are useful. Declare there will be no backups when dirs have > 10 million files and break backup for everyone else |
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| 14:47.34 | FilipeMaia | jelly-hme: that's not gonna help |
| 14:47.54 | thrashold | Users would realise there was such policy after they've exceeded 10 M files |
| 14:47.57 | FilipeMaia | too much manual internention |
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| 14:47.59 | jelly-hme | there's no real use case why they absolutely must have 1E7 files in a single dir |
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| 14:48.15 | jelly-hme | FilipeMaia: how often does this happen |
| 14:48.18 | FilipeMaia | users don't even realize they create such directories |
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| 14:48.34 | FilipeMaia | jelly-hme: as bad as this one it's the first time |
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| 14:49.03 | FilipeMaia | but a few hundreds of thousands already happened a couple of times |
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| 14:49.37 | michelem | hello folks |
| 14:49.48 | FilipeMaia | I suspect this one has a couple of million files |
| 14:49.48 | foetus | hy |
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| 14:50.04 | jelly-hme | FilipeMaia: I exclude such stuff from the backups and inform the users their files won't get backed up until they clear the issue, and if possible try and help them to prevent it from happening |
| 14:50.07 | michelem | what's with kexec-tools ? I find it on packages.debian.org , but apt-cache has it unknown |
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| 14:50.11 | thrashold | What happens if a user does dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=1 bs=1024x1024 skip=1024x1024 ? |
| 14:50.19 | thrashold | FilipeMaia: That was directed at you :) |
| 14:50.40 | michelem | ouch! it's not available for arm |
| 14:51.16 | jelly-hme | FilipeMaia: if one user breaks stuff for everyone else, they get locked out; same thing for other types of resource exhaustion (we also have shared web hosting, for example) |
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| 14:52.26 | foetus | emergency - if i login as user, he brings "cd /home/user failed"; userdel -r and useradd -m brings nothing and the ownership of /home/user is ok - whats up in this case? |
| 14:53.09 | foetus | system is lenny. |
| 14:54.02 | petemc | foetus: what does ls -la /home/user say ? |
| 14:54.12 | joltcan | foetus: What does cd /home/user say? |
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| 14:54.51 | foetus | petemc: joltcan: all correct, ownership ok. |
| 14:55.09 | petemc | foetus: you wont get help with answers like that |
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| 14:55.50 | edavis | Is it possible to remove the file descriptor limit for users? I'm using Debian 5.0 on a Xen VPS |
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| 14:56.30 | thewanderer1 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-increase-the-maximum-number-of-open-files/ |
| 14:56.42 | edavis | Thanks :) |
| 14:57.01 | sneezewort | yesterday our old gateway system died and put the hard drive into a newer dell and to my surprise it booted just fine. everything seems to work except the networking. What are some things to look at to troubleshoot this? |
| 14:57.14 | linuxguy101 | what is better to run debian under gdm or kdm ? |
| 14:57.25 | foetus | petemc: the problem is, i'm not under debian, but a little help would be nice, anyway..i still cannot login as root in this channel.. |
| 14:57.37 | thewanderer1 | sneezewort: the network interface names changed. |
| 14:57.43 | petemc | foetus: well, using adduser instead of useradd is a good start |
| 14:58.08 | petemc | sneezewort: do you see the interfaces in the output of ifconfig -a ? are they mentioned in dmesg? link up? |
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| 14:58.57 | foetus | petemc: users are created well, there is something else.. |
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| 14:59.28 | foetus | petemc: folders are present with correct ownership and permissions.. |
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| 14:59.50 | EmleyMoor | foetus: It's very difficult to tell without actually seeing it |
| 14:59.51 | petemc | foetus: can other users login? |
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| 15:00.20 | nettezzaumana | hi there. would anyone with recent debian show me output from `apt-cache -n search ping` .. don't ask why, just show :D ... thank you very much |
| 15:00.29 | foetus | petemc: no. no login as user anymore. cd homedir failed. |
| 15:00.49 | foetus | petemc: and fallback to login. |
| 15:00.55 | petemc | can root log in? |
| 15:00.56 | crab234 | hello, anyone know if it is safe to resize an existing NTFS partition during debian installation? will it erase the existing data? |
| 15:01.00 | alcy | anyone got a clue why on a machine with a single (IDE) hard disk, debian works with it as /dev/sdb and not /dev/sda ? causes problems in preseeding. |
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| 15:01.15 | foetus | petemc: yes. |
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| 15:01.24 | jordanm | alcy: usb stick? |
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| 15:01.32 | thewanderer1 | nettezzaumana: http://pastebin.com/qh8zU9gk |
| 15:01.40 | nettezzaumana | thewanderer1: thank you |
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| 15:01.43 | foetus | petemc: no problems as root. |
| 15:01.54 | alcy | jordanm: no other disk on the system. and preseeding through netboot/pxe |
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| 15:02.10 | petemc | foetus: why not start the machine and try to troubleshoot it? |
| 15:02.11 | thewanderer1 | alcy: then you have your disk set as Primary Slave |
| 15:02.23 | uwjweq | Is there a programm to controll mouse movement by keyboard navigating by displaying a grid on the screen and hitting numbers to narrow down on the region? |
| 15:02.43 | thewanderer1 | no :P |
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| 15:03.13 | petemc | foetus: login as root, create a user with adduser, try and log in as that user, tell us how it goes |
| 15:03.15 | EmleyMoor | uwjweq: sort of a "MouseKeys" equivalent, you mean? |
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| 15:03.41 | foetus | petemc: always done. but - no chance. |
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| 15:03.57 | petemc | what? |
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| 15:04.18 | uwjweq | EmleyMoor: I do not know that mousekeys. But maybe. |
| 15:04.40 | uwjweq | EmleyMoor: That is windows software I think, maybe saw it on sf just now. |
| 15:04.47 | alcy | thewanderer1: oops. been some time I used an ide disk. my old netbook (the machine in question) uses one. not sure why/how has it been set as primary slave (manufacturer's decision ?) |
| 15:04.51 | nettezzaumana | bye |
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| 15:04.57 | foetus | petemc: if i delete a user and add a new one, same problem. very strange. |
| 15:05.05 | the-dude | alcy: did you try changing cables? |
| 15:05.17 | EmleyMoor | uwjweq: It may not be what you want - yes, it is the nawe of the Windows feature - but it is also in the X accessibility options |
| 15:05.18 | petemc | foetus: create a completely new user with adduser and try to use that |
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| 15:06.02 | foetus | petemc: still - no login as !any user anymore. |
| 15:06.09 | cristi8 | alcy: i remember it was a jumper-setting on the hard drive |
| 15:06.11 | alcy | the-dude: its a tiny netbook...from the early days of OLPC, haven't ripped the thing apart till date :) |
| 15:06.20 | uwjweq | EmleyMoor: I check that out. |
| 15:06.29 | petemc | foetus: enjoy your broken system |
| 15:06.47 | foetus | petemc: totally strange thing. nice. :-( |
| 15:07.02 | EmleyMoor | uwjweq: It may not be quite what you had in mind but it will allow you to use part of the keyboard as a mouse replacement |
| 15:07.06 | thewanderer1 | alcy: on the disk metal enclosure, there are usually markings depicting how to set it as master/slave |
| 15:07.17 | cristi8 | foetus: maybe bad permissions for /home ? |
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| 15:08.04 | foetus | petemc: i have root:root with standard umask, no. |
| 15:08.35 | EmleyMoor | Might depend on what you call "standard" |
| 15:08.45 | petemc | foetus: have you tried what i suggested yet? |
| 15:08.51 | foetus | petemc: he still cannot cd into homedir at login as user. |
| 15:09.15 | alcy | thewanderer1: yes, I am aware of that, I do have a 15 year old celeron lyin somewhere ;) . as I said, the netbook cant be easily taken apart (its an olpc clone, released years back) and hence I never bothered about it. until today that is |
| 15:09.30 | byoni | I have a question that's been lingering for a while now. If aptitude is the preferred way to manage installed software, why is it that apt i |
| 15:09.36 | uwjweq | EmleyMoor: If I have to hold a key into a direction in order for the mouse to move that is not what I had in mind. I do not have all day to get the cursor from one place to another. |
| 15:09.45 | byoni | Still comes with a standard install |
| 15:10.01 | thewanderer1 | alcy: then perhaps it is supposed to have another medium as the primary master |
| 15:10.01 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... in that case, probably not then |
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| 15:10.20 | byoni | And why does bash autocomplete say to use apt get when u hit the command for uninstalled software |
| 15:10.55 | foetus | petemc: i still cannot "enjoy" a broken system, i must repair it in this case..:) |
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| 15:11.05 | thewanderer1 | byoni: aptitude is not a replacement for apt-get - they do the same task but are not exclusive |
| 15:11.41 | thewanderer1 | byoni: the Ubuntu folks are removing aptitude from the default install because they are worried about it taking much space on the CD - apt-get is really thin, though, and we have no problems with that |
| 15:12.05 | petemc | foetus: why talk to me? you dont listen to anything anyone says and dont answer questions people ask |
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| 15:13.15 | foetus | maybe there is something known about..cd into homedir fails as user at login..sorry, petemc. |
| 15:13.48 | abrotman | byoni: it's a more basic tool, aptitude is preferred, but apt-get is still needed for certain tasks |
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| 15:16.04 | foetus | i do a fallback to etch, too many strange things under lenny, sorry :-( |
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| 15:16.20 | abrotman | don't do that, it's unsupported |
| 15:16.27 | abrotman | or do whatever you want |
| 15:16.31 | petemc | he will anyway |
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| 15:27.07 | uwjweq | Found it. It is called keynav and it is in lenny. Works great. |
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| 15:27.34 | uwjweq | Thanks. |
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| 15:32.31 | thewanderer1 | does "make oldconfig" copy the default stock Debian kernel config? |
| 15:33.02 | abrotman | it should copy the current one you're using |
| 15:33.16 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 15:33.53 | sneezewort | thewanderer1: That was it. I changed eth0 to eth1 and it works. Sorry for the late reply. :P |
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| 15:34.32 | sneezewort | thewanderer1: forgot to say thanks. Thanks! |
| 15:34.36 | stayb | whats the chmod command to give all permissions to a directory? (/var/www) |
| 15:34.55 | s1kx- | does it go through both lo and eth0 if I connect to my own external IP? |
| 15:35.23 | abrotman | stayb: you don't want to do that |
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| 15:36.14 | stayb | i cant save files to the directory to test the side |
| 15:36.38 | thewanderer1 | stayb: then give your user which you are saving as the permissions to save |
| 15:36.44 | jordanm | stayb: assign permissions properly instead of to everyone |
| 15:36.58 | jordanm | !tell stayb about permissions |
| 15:38.02 | thewanderer1 | can I get my HOWTO referenced in the permission factoid? |
| 15:38.37 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: is it relevant and great and will the URL be stable for the next 5 years? |
| 15:39.09 | thewanderer1 | unless they take down forums.debian.net, it is stable, and how great is it... it explains permissions from the basics to ACL |
| 15:39.18 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: can you move the contents to wiki instead? |
| 15:39.22 | jelly-hme | hates forums |
| 15:39.25 | thewanderer1 | I guess I can... |
| 15:39.30 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I don't believe forums to be a proper place for documentation |
| 15:39.36 | thewanderer1 | do I have to register for this? |
| 15:39.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:39.46 | abrotman | with your actual name IIRC |
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| 15:40.10 | jelly-hme | debian forums and wiki and bts don't have no single sign-on |
| 15:40.34 | thewanderer1 | alright. what's with this licensing issue, though? there was some fuss about the wiki recently |
| 15:40.58 | abrotman | i think they don't have anyone sign a waiver/whatever about the license for their contributions |
| 15:41.09 | jordanm | thewanderer1: most of the articles are unlicensed |
| 15:41.44 | jelly-hme | wonders if he used diacritics or not of the wiki login |
| 15:41.56 | thewanderer1 | what format should my Name be in? the Polish translation looks weird, am I really supposed to be called Me""Surname ? |
| 15:42.21 | abrotman | looks weird? |
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| 15:42.37 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I don't see why you would need to translate your name |
| 15:42.53 | thewanderer1 | no, but it tells me that the format I should type it in should be like: Name""Surname |
| 15:43.08 | abrotman | firstname lastname |
| 15:43.14 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.16 | thewanderer1 | alright |
| 15:43.24 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: JoeSatriani |
| 15:43.27 | thewanderer1 | so it's a bug in the translated instructions, thanks |
| 15:43.28 | abrotman | oh, you have quotes in your name ? |
| 15:43.30 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 15:43.36 | solifugus | I installed unixodbc-bin but don't know what the executable file name is... |
| 15:43.41 | thewanderer1 | but that is provided as an example on the wiki |
| 15:43.45 | jelly-hme | abrotman: his localization strings are fucked up |
| 15:43.47 | abrotman | it has a space? maybe use a hypen instead? |
| 15:43.47 | jordanm | solifugus: dpkg -L <package> |
| 15:43.59 | thewanderer1 | no, no spaces, it's what jelly-hme said :P |
| 15:44.03 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: no spaces, just do FirstLast |
| 15:44.07 | thewanderer1 | okay |
| 15:44.08 | abrotman | so have jelly-hme type your name in for you .. it's like 2nd grade all over again :) |
| 15:44.23 | jelly-hme | abrotman: I was barely able to type in my own |
| 15:44.45 | jelly-hme | had to skip on ž let alone the digrath |
| 15:44.50 | jelly-hme | digraph* |
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| 15:45.10 | abrotman | i was kidding |
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| 15:45.41 | jelly-hme | nowai! |
| 15:45.53 | thewanderer1 | great, it's telling me that the user exists |
| 15:46.04 | jelly-hme | you already registered and forgot about it! |
| 15:46.17 | jelly-hme | or you're not really named JoeSatriani |
| 15:46.41 | thewanderer1 | no, my name is not registered |
| 15:46.49 | thewanderer1 | and MoinMoin craps out on login attempt O.o |
| 15:47.23 | thewanderer1 | EIEIO - here a bug, there a bug |
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| 15:49.48 | uwjweq | :-) |
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| 15:51.37 | thewanderer1 | alright, is anybody else able to register on Debian Wiki? |
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| 15:52.20 | thewanderer1 | alright |
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| 15:52.53 | thewanderer1 | so the name was already taken but there was no way to search for it :P |
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| 15:56.14 | thewanderer1 | and the wiki's python breaks when I try to login with the wrong password, apparently :P |
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| 15:57.12 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I've just registered and logged in, using this obscure Konqueror browser |
| 15:57.34 | thewanderer1 | alright, so it was just my name taken already :P |
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| 15:58.44 | karlpinc | ,version linux-image |
| 15:58.56 | karlpinc | ,versions linux-image |
| 15:58.57 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 15:58.57 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found. |
| 15:58.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 15:59.33 | karlpinc | jordanm: Sorry, I should not be putting the output into the channel anyway, I should msg the bot. Don't know what I was thinking. |
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| 16:00.24 | thewanderer1 | can I convert BBcode to wiki code easily? |
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| 16:02.21 | icebrain | thewanderer1: there's a Wiki <-> HTML converter:http://goessner.net/articles/wiky/ |
| 16:02.32 | icebrain | and a HTML to BBCode: http://www.garyshood.com/htmltobb/ |
| 16:02.47 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 16:02.50 | thewanderer1 | I'll use that |
| 16:02.53 | sylar | when I insert a usbFlashDrive , I see in gnome-system-monitor a long IO-Wait |
| 16:02.58 | sylar | why? |
| 16:03.07 | sylar | does it scan my usbFlashDrive? |
| 16:03.10 | uwjweq | Rule #122 There is an emacs command for it. |
| 16:03.13 | icebrain | thewanderer1: I'm not responsible for the results :) |
| 16:03.19 | thewanderer1 | okay :P |
| 16:03.22 | sylar | (I disabled autorun) |
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| 16:04.47 | sylar | also, how do I know when it safe to unplug the usbFlashDrive after I unmount? (The umount returns immidietly but the flash drive light blink, and then stop to blink, but doesn't turn off) |
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| 16:06.48 | thewanderer1 | sylar, GNOME can turn off your pendrive altogether - it uses magic |
| 16:07.26 | karlpinc | sylar: To be absolutely sure run sync as root. Otherwise, just wait for the light to go off. |
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| 16:07.28 | gps23 | hi |
| 16:07.29 | sylar | thewanderer1, how? |
| 16:07.38 | slackerr | hi all. i need to test my python applications on different versions of python 2.x. Can it be done in a debian-way? |
| 16:07.43 | sylar | karlpinc, the light dont turn off it just stop blinking |
| 16:07.43 | slackerr | at Lenny |
| 16:08.03 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: it doesn't seem to do echo 1 > /sys/block/sdh/device/delete |
| 16:08.16 | sylar | karlpinc, yea I am doing sync, as user, didn't think I need to be root |
| 16:08.28 | jelly-hme | sylar: correct, you don't |
| 16:08.39 | gps23 | while compiling my own kernel i disabled support for IPv6 (as I am on IPv4) but not exim4 fails to start, paniclog states - IPv6 socket creation failed - address family not supported. |
| 16:09.02 | gps23 | how can i disable socket create for IPv6 during exim4's start? |
| 16:09.05 | sylar | but this is too complicated, windows have this cool "now it is safe to unplug", don't linux have something like that? |
| 16:09.11 | gps23 | creation* |
| 16:09.15 | karlpinc | sylar: I'm not clear on that. |
| 16:09.25 | Bushmills | sylar: umount |
| 16:09.40 | Bushmills | when the prompt reappears, it is save to remove the drive |
| 16:09.42 | sylar | Hey Bushmills :) I did umount |
| 16:09.49 | gps23 | while compiling my own kernel i disabled support for IPv6 (as I am on IPv4) but now* exim4 fails to start, paniclog states - IPv6 socket creation failed - address family not supported. |
| 16:09.51 | jelly-hme | Bushmills: is that 100% enough? |
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| 16:10.09 | sylar | Bushmills, but I see the IO-Wait in system monitor after the umout return |
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| 16:10.26 | Bushmills | well, i suppose your could sync; sync; sync; umount ... |
| 16:10.30 | Bushmills | you could |
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| 16:10.36 | sylar | lol |
| 16:10.41 | icebrain | slackerr: something like virtualenv might be more suitable |
| 16:10.52 | sylar | I am trying to find something more efficient |
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| 16:11.26 | sylar | also, I have users, that do umount, and they don't know anything about umount, syncs, etc, they just do it from gnome |
| 16:11.37 | sylar | so I want something they could use too |
| 16:11.48 | sylar | so they wont crap out their pendrive |
| 16:11.55 | Bushmills | right button, "umount" |
| 16:12.01 | slackerr | icebrain: cool! i didnt knew. Thanks! |
| 16:12.01 | sylar | yes |
| 16:12.12 | jelly-hme | sylar: well. Gnome is supposed to abstract all the nasty stuff away. My KDE4 has an eject button for hotplugged devices. |
| 16:12.20 | icebrain | slackerr: also see pip, it's very nice. Pycon talks mp3 ftw |
| 16:12.39 | sylar | you know what, I didn't try gnome yet, I did umount from prompt |
| 16:12.54 | sylar | maybe I should try, maybe it will disapear from view when it safe |
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| 16:13.21 | sylar | and what about the IO-wait when I insert it? |
| 16:13.23 | ScottG | When I run update-grub2 it says "cannot find list of partitions" What might it mena by that? i have fstab updated correctly |
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| 16:13.36 | karlpinc | sylar: If so then maybe umount needs a sync option, or is Bushmills implying that it does already but you can be extra safe by adding more? |
| 16:14.02 | Bushmills | umount does sync. but dong a few extra syncs don't hurt |
| 16:14.14 | jelly-hme | and they don't do anything |
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| 16:14.27 | jelly-hme | (anything more to guarantee data safety) |
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| 16:15.25 | sundar | Hi, does anyone know how to change the location of the logs saved by a syslog() call through rsyslogd? |
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| 16:15.59 | karlpinc | But then why, as I recall, does the light on the device sometimes flash a second or so after umount? I'd suggest mounting sync, but that's overkill just to wait for flush on umount. |
| 16:16.05 | thewanderer1 | sundar, read the rsyslogd documentation - it allows you to categorize and filter messages |
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| 16:17.56 | sylar | seem like gnome does display it is safe to remove flashdrive now message in the notification area |
| 16:18.21 | sylar | but the IO-wait continue about 4 seconds after that message |
| 16:18.32 | sylar | maybe though it is because I have an other flashdrive |
| 16:18.45 | karlpinc | sylar: Or the stats are only updated every 5 seconds. |
| 16:19.00 | jelly-hme | sundar: you can start with /usr/share/doc/rsyslog/README.Debian, and continue with manual pages for rsyslog.conf and rsyslog which point to its web page and docs |
| 16:19.17 | sylar | karlpinc, no, it updates every second, I see it moves, and change |
| 16:19.25 | sylar | lets double check |
| 16:20.10 | sylar | it updates every half a second |
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| 16:21.11 | sylar | what about the insertions? |
| 16:21.20 | sylar | why does it hang on IO on insertion? |
| 16:21.20 | Bushmills | it may be so that gnome knows when to remove the "you can remove the device" message |
| 16:22.07 | sylar | Bushmills, I didn't understand your last line |
| 16:22.51 | karlpinc | sylar: Maybe the device itself is buffered so there's nothing the OS can do. And MS just put a delay into their notification. |
| 16:23.36 | karlpinc | sylar: On rapid plug/unplug cycles the old message has time to go away. |
| 16:23.42 | fxiny | or a hidden file |
| 16:23.58 | sylar | karlpinc, if the device is buffered then, then shouldn't it be dangerous to take of its power before it download? |
| 16:24.09 | fxiny | that's how i check if my partitions are mounted when i run my backup scripts |
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| 16:24.50 | karlpinc | sylar: Yes. This is a problem with sync on filesystems. The hardware sucks. |
| 16:25.29 | sylar | I think the notification could wait for the sync to finish |
| 16:26.00 | karlpinc | sylar: If the data is on the device and the device reports written when it's really waiting to write there's nothing the OS can do. |
| 16:26.02 | sylar | I need to test it with another computer, this one runs from a flashdrive, so that may mess things too |
| 16:26.27 | sylar | karlpinc, you have a point there |
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| 16:28.18 | karlpinc | fxiny: Why not rely on mount to test for mountedness? (Do you ro /etc/mnt?) |
| 16:29.41 | fxiny | karlpinc: because i have many mount points and checkig for a file or a dir is easier -> if [ -d /mnt/aux/ |
| 16:30.02 | karlpinc | fxiny: Ok. |
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| 16:30.53 | fxiny | i can drop a little hidden file like .dog_s* there and umount , the device still mounted ? ok i can see the .dog_s* |
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| 16:33.01 | sylar | I checked again, and it take it 20 seconds to mount that flashdisk, and in the meanwhile, it is in IO-Wait state |
| 16:33.40 | jelly-hme | sylar: that's a bit slower than usual but not extra weird |
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| 16:33.58 | sylar | jelly-hme, it is a 16gb drive |
| 16:34.12 | sylar | maybe the size is the issue |
| 16:34.15 | sylar | but why so long? |
| 16:34.28 | sylar | why mount don't take a split second? |
| 16:34.35 | sylar | like with a normal hd? |
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| 16:36.15 | jelly-hme | sylar: it's hardware interoperating with other hardware, all made by vendors choosing interpret standards and specs a bit differently |
| 16:36.33 | gps23 | i have made a python script, which runs fine when i run it on console, but it doesn't work right when i run it using cron |
| 16:36.55 | jelly-hme | sylar: my 16GB corsair stick becomes ready in 6-10 seconds |
| 16:36.57 | tharkun | Check the environment variables they might not be loaded as you expect them |
| 16:36.58 | iceroot | gps23: use the absolute path in cron |
| 16:37.02 | gps23 | its supposed to change gnome wallpaper using gconftool-2 but its not doing that |
| 16:37.06 | iceroot | gps23: and check the vars |
| 16:37.08 | gps23 | iceroot: using abs path only |
| 16:37.21 | tharkun | gps23: ^^ |
| 16:37.22 | p3rror | gps23, yes check the cron log file |
| 16:37.34 | sylar | jelly-hme, so you say in IO-Wait, it try to figure out the hardware? |
| 16:37.48 | p3rror | gps23, also check your local mail about the wariness |
| 16:37.49 | gps23 | p3rror: cron log file just mentions about its running |
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| 16:37.59 | gps23 | iceroot: what u mean by checking vars? |
| 16:38.07 | sylar | think if that is the reason , then it should keep a cache of recent hardwares |
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| 16:38.22 | jelly-hme | sylar: I'm just timing from the plug-in of the drive, til the kernel reads the partition layout and dumps it to dmesg / kern.log |
| 16:38.50 | gps23 | p3rror: local mail isn't starting, as i have disabled IPv6 and it seems to need this |
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| 16:39.27 | gps23 | while compiling my own kernel i disabled support for IPv6 (as I am on IPv4) but not exim4 fails to start, paniclog states - IPv6 socket creation failed - address family not supported. |
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| 16:39.50 | gps23 | s/not/now*/ |
| 16:39.51 | sylar | well, at least I am not the only one waiting for his fash drive :) |
| 16:40.20 | jelly-hme | sylar: there will be some additional delay caused by userspace but I'm not using gnome and have no idea what it does |
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| 16:40.24 | sylar | (like the saying : a trouble of many, half a consolation) |
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| 16:40.47 | sylar | jelly-hme, ok, I can try without gnome |
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| 16:40.57 | sylar | see what happens |
| 16:41.07 | djveer | Hey guys, I can create a flat image file with DD right? I'm told I can then convert that file to a VHD, which is what I need.. what would the dd command to do that look like? |
| 16:41.13 | sylar | jelly-hme, how do u find the name of the hd that was inserted without gnome? |
| 16:41.27 | jelly-hme | sylar: read dmesg or /var/log/kern.log |
| 16:41.37 | sylar | interestign |
| 16:42.06 | jelly-hme | pmount doesn't do labels yet |
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| 16:42.32 | gps23 | anything else i can do? if i can run exim4 it would be much help |
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| 16:43.40 | thewanderer1 | djveer: you just copy /dev/zero to a file and you have a zeroed file |
| 16:43.42 | jelly-hme | gps23: I'm just curious, why do you use a custom kernel? |
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| 16:44.05 | thewanderer1 | djveer: dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile.img bs=1024k count=$HOWMANY_MB |
| 16:44.09 | nickaugust | is the madwifi stuff not in the repos anymore? |
| 16:44.31 | gps23 | jelly-hme: hehehe, because i just wanted to compile a customized kernel :p |
| 16:44.34 | djveer | thewanderer1: why would the input file be /dev/zero ? Wouldn't I want it to be the partition in question? |
| 16:45.10 | jelly-hme | gps23: in that case you can put ipv6 support back in |
| 16:45.21 | thewanderer1 | djveer: ah, so you want to create an image from an existing partition - I missed that part. then yes, and you don't specify sizes on the command line then. |
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| 16:45.46 | gps23 | jelly-hme: thats another option, but i was hoping if i can know some way to tell exim4 to forget about IPv6. because i don't use it |
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| 16:46.08 | jelly-hme | !exim |
| 16:46.09 | dpkg | Exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <why exim>. http://www.exim.org/ #exim on irc.freenode.net and irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:46.17 | djveer | thewanderer1: So.... dd if=/dev/hda1 of=myfile.img .. and that's it? |
| 16:46.23 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 16:47.17 | thewanderer1 | what steps should I undertake to license my work on the Wiki so that it can be migrated to the new one painlessly? |
| 16:47.50 | djveer | thewanderer1: thanks.. man lol i'm really doing all kinds of crazy tactics just to save this machine |
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| 16:48.07 | yskapell | hello guys |
| 16:48.24 | yskapell | I just installed debian testing from the CD |
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| 16:49.12 | yskapell | I have a usb headset but I do not have have sound from usb. How can I change the device from the speakers to headset? |
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| 16:49.51 | thewanderer1 | first, make sure your headset is detected at all |
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| 16:49.57 | yskapell | I also have installed pavucontrol and pavumeter |
| 16:49.58 | cahoot | yskapell: try alsa force-reload |
| 16:49.59 | thewanderer1 | it sounds like trouble |
| 16:50.02 | yskapell | it is detected |
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| 16:50.13 | thewanderer1 | yskapell: pulseaudio is not in Debian by default |
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| 16:50.20 | FFForever | besides /var/www /home /etc is there any other important dir(s) I should backup in case of server failure |
| 16:50.37 | thewanderer1 | FFForever: backup everything if you really want to have a backup |
| 16:50.43 | rozie | FFForever: depends on server |
| 16:50.55 | cahoot | yskapell: well - if you have PA you should be able to use that to make the headset default |
| 16:51.03 | shact | Hey guys. In the case that after typing "Make", "Make Install" gives "Error 2" (file not found) what do I do? |
| 16:51.28 | thewanderer1 | you fix the makefile |
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| 16:51.41 | shact | Aw. But it's from a hardware vendor |
| 16:51.42 | sylar | jelly-hme, in the kern.log it seems like everything is done in two seconds, but the IO-wait continues longer. If I don't use gnome's automount, then after insertion there is a long io-wait, but the mount itself don't cause io-wait at all |
| 16:51.42 | cahoot | spelling error in irc only? |
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| 16:52.11 | shact | cahoot: I did it in lower case in terminal |
| 16:52.31 | jelly-hme | shact: which software are you trying to build and install? on which debian release? |
| 16:53.46 | tharkun | FFForever: man dd on the full array, might consume more space but you certainly have peace of mind |
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| 16:54.27 | shact | It's an Edimax wireless driver... |
| 16:54.30 | shact | http://www.edimax.co.uk/images/Image/Driver_Utility/Wireless/NIC/2009/RT3070_Linux_STA_v2.0.1.0.tar.zip |
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| 16:55.18 | irule | what is the correct way to configure 2 nics with a wingle IP address? |
| 16:55.32 | jelly-hme | shact: is this a usb, a cardexpress, or an pci/pciexpress card? |
| 16:55.51 | shact | jelly-hme, it's usb |
| 16:56.03 | jelly-hme | !tell shact about rt3070 |
| 16:56.16 | jelly-hme | (assuming that's the actual chip) |
| 16:56.33 | shact | jelly-hme, that tell didn't work |
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| 16:56.47 | fxiny | i don't understand this wget DSA 2088-1 , what does it mean "will ignore server-provided file names" ? new fixed wget seems working like the old one |
| 16:56.56 | jelly-hme | shact: does "/msg dpkg rt3070" work? |
| 16:57.06 | shact | i'll try... |
| 16:57.21 | jelly-hme | shact: you ought to get a private message from dpkg |
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| 16:58.36 | shact | jelly-hme, yes that worked |
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| 16:58.57 | jelly-hme | shact: which debian release are you using? |
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| 16:59.43 | jelly-hme | hopes the answer is not "Oh it's actually Ubuntu" |
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| 16:59.53 | shact | it's lenny |
| 17:00.15 | jelly-hme | shact: there's a backported 2.6.32 kernel for lenny. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 17:00.46 | jelly-hme | shact: also /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
| 17:01.19 | shact | jelly-hme, those /msgs don't work |
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| 17:03.13 | jelly-hme | shact: did you get _my_ messages? |
| 17:03.28 | shact | jelly-hme, how come there isn't just a .deb for this ralink chip? |
| 17:03.37 | shact | no i got dc'd |
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| 17:03.51 | jelly-hme | shact: I repeated them after you reconnected. |
| 17:04.16 | jelly-hme | shact: check the separate tabs/windows in your irc client |
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| 17:04.23 | fxiny | is (dpkg) alive and breadboxing |
| 17:04.34 | shact | my irc client is empathy and it's crap |
| 17:04.49 | jelly-hme | shact: get xhcat or irssi |
| 17:04.55 | jelly-hme | xchat, even |
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| 17:04.58 | thewanderer1 | alright, my howto is up for review and possible inclusion in dpkg's factoid |
| 17:05.00 | thewanderer1 | http://wiki.debian.org/PermissionHowto |
| 17:05.10 | shact | i will get xchat, but i want my wireless working first |
| 17:05.15 | jelly-hme | ;-) |
| 17:05.43 | shact | isn't there a "scan for new hardware and go get drivers" app yet? |
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| 17:06.20 | jelly-hme | shact: upgrade your kernel. |
| 17:06.34 | shact | ooh. i dunno how to |
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| 17:06.44 | shact | i just want the thing to have some basic functionality |
| 17:06.44 | jelly-hme | !bpo kernel |
| 17:06.44 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.org. Ask me about <bpo> to add backports.org to your sources.list correctly and add the debian-backports-keyring package. You can then "aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). "/msg judd kernels" to see a list of kernels in Debian. |
| 17:06.52 | jelly-hme | judd: kernels |
| 17:06.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:07.01 | jelly-hme | !ralink firmware |
| 17:07.01 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rt61pci> and <rt73usb> drivers. It is also required by the <rt2860sta>, <rt2870sta> and <rt2800usb> drivers available in Squeeze's 2.6.32 kernel. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-ralink package to provide. |
| 17:07.20 | jelly-hme | shact: there you go. |
| 17:07.46 | shact | i don't know what any of that means. you might be confusing me with someone who knows what's going on |
| 17:08.05 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: how come you didn't just update Permissions page? |
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| 17:08.26 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: there's probably a lot of overlap |
| 17:08.47 | shact | if i reinstall the whole os, with the wireless thing connected, will it install drivers? |
| 17:09.09 | fxiny | thewanderer1: missing stat filename in octal ? |
| 17:09.20 | jelly-hme | shact: reinstall lenny? no, you'll still have to do the above |
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| 17:09.26 | shact | why? |
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| 17:09.48 | shact | the whole point of debian is that it has repositories to do this stuff for me |
| 17:09.49 | jelly-hme | shact: because you need a newer kernel to make your hardware work |
| 17:10.12 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: what do you mean? |
| 17:10.15 | shact | what kernel version do i need? |
| 17:10.35 | jelly-hme | shact: you need the one available in lenny-backports. |
| 17:10.49 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: it's an extract, so not everything is included on purpose... I hope I didn't break too much when porting the howto |
| 17:11.17 | shact | can i apt-get install it? |
| 17:11.33 | jelly-hme | shact: did you even read what dpkg wrote above? |
| 17:12.05 | shact | it listed every kernel in the world |
| 17:12.37 | jelly-hme | shact: read what it said in response to !bpo kernel, and !ralink firmware |
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| 17:12.57 | shact | why can't i just add the module to whatever kernel i have now? |
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| 17:13.08 | jelly-hme | gives up |
| 17:13.23 | shact | and why can't apt-* do it for me? It's not like I'm on Slackware |
| 17:13.29 | fxiny | thewanderer1: stat -c %a filename |
| 17:13.34 | fxiny | try that |
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| 17:14.23 | jelly-hme | shact: I'll answer those questions and hand-hold you thru the procedure for $50/hr, two hours minimum. |
| 17:14.30 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: I know about this --format thing |
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| 17:15.09 | yskapell | I still do not have sound from usb headset and it is found it Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046d:0a0c Logitech, Inc. Clear Chat Comfort USB Headset |
| 17:15.13 | bidossessi | hi all. |
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| 17:15.48 | thewanderer1 | yskapell: run alsamixer and turn up the volume |
| 17:15.54 | fxiny | thewanderer1: yes , but it explains better the octal permission , before "Therefore, number 5, for example, would mean: a permission to read and execute, but not to write" you can add something like that |
| 17:16.17 | bidossessi | i want to install lenny in a domU on a x64 machine. would there be anny issue with me using lenny 386 since the vm would only have about 512 mb of ram? |
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| 17:17.14 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: I already provide an example above: stat /etc/hostname - or do you mean I should include one more? |
| 17:17.19 | yskapell | I have sound but not from headset |
| 17:17.40 | thewanderer1 | so turn up the headset's volume |
| 17:17.52 | yskapell | it is in max the volume |
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| 17:18.55 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: you're right in that yours should be an extra page, it's quite long already and current Permissions page is quite long as well |
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| 17:20.02 | fxiny | thewanderer1: yes, something like : ls -al -> -rw-r--r-- which in octal is stat -c -c %a -> 644 |
| 17:20.42 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: I mainly meant that the old Permissions page is a huge mess, not structured and rather difficult to read |
| 17:21.02 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I'm not opposed to replacing it completely, yes |
| 17:21.17 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: so you mean the translation from "human-readable" to "octal", yes? okay, I'll add that |
| 17:21.47 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i think it will be nice , but not with my words , whith yours ;) |
| 17:22.10 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I'll put that up |
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| 17:22.32 | thewanderer1 | are there any wiki syntax editors? the edit box is not very friendly |
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| 17:23.04 | yskapell | I try mplayer and I get this error mplayer: relocation error: mplayer: symbol codec_wav_tags, version LIBAVFORMAT_52 not defined in file libavformat.so.52 with link time reference |
| 17:23.07 | yskapell | any idea? |
| 17:23.33 | thewanderer1 | yeah, broken libraries. if you compiled yourself, you did it wrong |
| 17:23.58 | jelly-hme | yskapell: you have squeeze or sid and d-m enabled, right? |
| 17:24.03 | yskapell | no I did not compile my self |
| 17:24.10 | yskapell | from synaptic I install it |
| 17:24.31 | yskapell | I have testing (squeeze) |
| 17:24.39 | yskapell | d-m means? |
| 17:24.43 | jelly-hme | !d-m |
| 17:24.43 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 17:25.28 | bidossessi | when squeeze is released, will one be able to upgrade to it from cli? |
| 17:25.29 | jelly-hme | yskapell: pastebin apt-cache policy libc6 mplayer libavformat52 |
| 17:25.40 | jelly-hme | bidossessi: is there any other way to upgrade! |
| 17:25.46 | bidossessi | new to debian, sorry |
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| 17:25.58 | jelly-hme | bidossessi: in that case, "yes" |
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| 17:26.40 | bidossessi | jelly: thanks |
| 17:27.23 | jelly-hme | bidossessi: the Release Notes for each debian release detail the upgrade procedure |
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| 17:27.39 | nics | Hi all, I've got one question concerning FAI/initramfs: Why is ipconfig called when mounting an nfsroot? Doesn't the kernel handle this? |
| 17:27.54 | nics | We've got some problems with multiple NICs... |
| 17:28.37 | yskapell | I remove it and reinstall it and it is fixed now |
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| 17:28.47 | yskapell | the only "problem" is the headset |
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| 17:32.15 | quiritius | is it .32 kernel for squeeze all the way into stable? |
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| 17:35.23 | pallgone | quiritius: looks like it is, but I don't really know... |
| 17:36.04 | fxiny | lenny and a half ? |
| 17:36.36 | jelly-hme | quiritius: no, but it's in backports.org |
| 17:37.05 | fxiny | good |
| 17:37.13 | quiritius | jelly-hme: but that only for stale, no? |
| 17:37.17 | quiritius | *stable |
| 17:37.24 | fxiny | never liked it etch&half |
| 17:37.28 | jelly-hme | quiritius: yes. |
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| 17:38.00 | jelly-hme | quiritius: that typo was intentional wasn't it |
| 17:38.27 | quiritius | jelly-hme: symptomatic, rather :) |
| 17:38.58 | jelly-hme | rather fjordian |
| 17:39.04 | fxiny | builds a stable to get a knight |
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| 17:39.53 | quiritius | jelly-hme: thing is, i have a minor problem with resuming from RAM to a wrong console, the newer kernels may fix that... |
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| 17:40.38 | jelly-hme | quiritius: /msg dpkg bpo; /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
| 17:40.57 | quiritius | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.02 | quiritius | ouch |
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| 17:41.22 | fxiny | a brreze installing it in lenny |
| 17:41.34 | thewanderer1 | crap, the wiki converts my ---- characters to a horizontal line |
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| 17:41.48 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:41.49 | fxiny | trbs2: like emacs muse |
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| 17:42.03 | fxiny | oops |
| 17:43.06 | thewanderer1 | alright, worked around it - the new version contains info on human-readable forms of permissions |
| 17:43.17 | fxiny | reloading |
| 17:43.32 | trbs2 | :) |
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| 17:44.31 | fxiny | trbs2: tab completion :) |
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| 17:48.29 | thewanderer1 | perhaps we need a policy tool that would compile policies into chmod/ACL :) |
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| 17:54.49 | dokma | tail -n -6 file.txt > file.txt seems like it might go wrong with overwritting what is being written... is it safe or is there a cleaner way to do it? |
| 17:55.39 | fxiny | dokma: > overwrites , >> appends |
| 17:56.03 | dokma | fxiny: my concern is that > might overwrite during the reading |
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| 17:56.29 | fxiny | oh same file ? why that ? |
| 17:56.31 | fbh | dokma: You cant do that. > will wipe the file before writing |
| 17:56.51 | dokma | fbh: that's exactly why I was asking... so it's a no no |
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| 17:57.40 | fbh | mv file.txt file.bak ; tail -6 file.bak > file.txt ; rm file.bak |
| 17:57.43 | thewanderer1 | dokma: use a temporary file |
| 17:57.51 | fxiny | > file.bak , mv file.bak file |
| 17:58.07 | dokma | this is the actuall intention: find . -type f -exec head -n -6 {} > {}.tmp \; |
| 17:58.39 | fxiny | or some sed -i |
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| 17:58.56 | dokma | then I can follow up with find . -type f -exec mv {} `echo {} | sed 's/.tmp//'` |
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| 17:59.18 | dokma | fxiny: yeah.. that's the same thing I guess |
| 17:59.27 | thewanderer1 | yes, you can - it will break on files containing .tmp.tmp.tmp.tmp |
| 17:59.37 | thewanderer1 | (or will it?) |
| 17:59.42 | dokma | thewanderer1: they're all .html files |
| 17:59.47 | thewanderer1 | right |
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| 18:01.18 | gps23 | hi |
| 18:01.44 | gps23 | i am running this command from crontab: /usr/bin/gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /home/gurpreet/.wikipic/Banksia_marginata_immature_and_mature.jpg, but its not working, when i run this on console it works |
| 18:01.58 | gps23 | any idea why it is so? |
| 18:02.10 | thewanderer1 | gps23: crontab-who? |
| 18:02.29 | gps23 | thewanderer1: user's crontab |
| 18:02.42 | thewanderer1 | and have you verified that it actually runs? |
| 18:03.01 | gps23 | thewanderer1: yes, i have copy pasted this command on console and its working |
| 18:03.12 | gps23 | thewanderer1: just not working through crontab |
| 18:03.17 | thewanderer1 | but you can't be sure that cron is running it |
| 18:03.26 | gps23 | thewanderer1: i am seeing /var/log/syslog |
| 18:03.27 | thewanderer1 | have you run `crontab` after updating cron entries? |
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| 18:03.43 | thewanderer1 | does it leave any entries in the syslog? |
| 18:03.45 | gps23 | thewanderer1: used crontab -e |
| 18:04.08 | gps23 | thewanderer1: syslog shows me that the command runs at exact time i told it |
| 18:04.34 | gps23 | Aug 5 23:37:01 debian /USR/SBIN/CRON[7548]: (gurpreet) CMD (/usr/bin/gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /home/gurpreet/.wikipic/Banksia_marginata_immature_and_mature.jpg) |
| 18:05.14 | thewanderer1 | gps23: so apparently $HOME is not set or gconftool-2 operates on the wrong directory |
| 18:05.24 | thewanderer1 | try setting HOME and cd'ing |
| 18:05.39 | gps23 | thewanderer1: but i am using absolute paths, $HOME shouldn't matter |
| 18:06.25 | fxiny | dokma: sed -i 6q filename , try this on a test file |
| 18:06.49 | thewanderer1 | gps23: but gconftool-2 expects to see your config files in $HOME |
| 18:06.58 | thewanderer1 | and if $HOME is incorrect, it won't work |
| 18:07.03 | dokma | fxiny: that prints the first 6 lines |
| 18:07.07 | dokma | I need last 6 deleted |
| 18:07.12 | fxiny | dokma: inplace |
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| 18:07.27 | dokma | yeah I know about -i |
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| 18:07.32 | gps23 | thewanderer1: in that case, syslog shouldn't find crontab file. but syslog shows me that it found the file and ran the command. please correct me if i am wrong |
| 18:07.32 | dokma | and I would love the sed solution |
| 18:07.42 | dokma | but can't find how to delete last 6 lines |
| 18:07.45 | gps23 | s/syslog/cron/ |
| 18:07.57 | gps23 | thewanderer1: ^^^ |
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| 18:08.35 | thewanderer1 | gps23: you can never be sure with computing. crontab has access to getent() so it can easily find any user's home directory, buy I am not sure whether $HOME is set correctly with cron |
| 18:08.50 | fxiny | dokma: any google sed oneliner |
| 18:09.19 | dokma | fxiny: any google sed oneliner what? |
| 18:09.27 | gps23 | thewanderer1: then should i set $HOME at top of crontab? |
| 18:09.53 | mre___ | can anyone help me with this http://pastebin.com/7M2qMU2F |
| 18:09.54 | mre___ | ? |
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| 18:10.20 | fxiny | dokma: search google for "sed oneliner" |
| 18:10.22 | mre___ | just got it after i wanted to upgrade testing |
| 18:10.27 | thewanderer1 | gps23: you can set HOME in crontab above your commands like this: HOME = /home/myuser |
| 18:10.41 | thewanderer1 | try it |
| 18:11.07 | jelly-hme | mre___: remove that libisc50 package using dpkg. |
| 18:11.10 | gps23 | thewanderer1: doing same, gimme a min |
| 18:11.25 | prince_jammys | dokma: ed -s somefile <<<$'$-5,$d\nw' |
| 18:11.35 | jelly-hme | mre___: use --force-depends is you have to, but no other forces. Then redo the -f install |
| 18:11.39 | irule | this looks recent, I tried it and I see bond0 get an IP address, routing tables look ok with it, but there is no communication, any thoughtS? thanks http://blog.brightbox.co.uk/posts/howto-do-ethernet-bonding-on-ubuntu-properly |
| 18:11.44 | dokma | prince_jammys: found the sed way |
| 18:11.50 | prince_jammys | bah |
| 18:11.55 | dokma | find . -type f -exec sed -i -n -e :a -e '1,6!{P;N;D;};N;ba' {} \; |
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| 18:12.24 | gps23 | thewanderer1: crontab entry is set to run in 1 min |
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| 18:13.29 | gps23 | thewanderer1: no effect |
| 18:13.56 | gps23 | thewanderer1: can u please try running it on ur system. there might be some bug |
| 18:14.31 | mre___ | jelly-hme: tnx |
| 18:14.35 | thewanderer1 | alright, let's see |
| 18:14.41 | gps23 | thewanderer1: wait. got a clue. will report soon |
| 18:15.20 | fxiny | dokma: or to be safe -i.bak , then mv all .bak away for recovering ? |
| 18:15.50 | dokma | I back them all up at any step |
| 18:16.11 | _Dave123_ | I have started vncserver, however I closed the terminal on :1 - how can I get this back again? when I login with vnc client from windows on the debian HOSTNAME:1 server again I only get the gnome back ground |
| 18:16.17 | dokma | now they look pretty decent... next step is to import it into TYPO3 |
| 18:16.20 | gps23 | thewanderer1: nope, nothing is working |
| 18:16.42 | gps23 | thewanderer1: if i copy paste the command shown by syslog in the console then it works perfectly |
| 18:16.57 | thewanderer1 | alright, it doesn't work for me, either |
| 18:17.22 | gps23 | thewanderer1: may be gconftool-2 behaving differently |
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| 18:17.38 | thewanderer1 | I'll get some debugging info on here |
| 18:18.18 | gps23 | thewanderer1: it means gconftool-2 won't be able to change *anything* through cron |
| 18:18.52 | thewanderer1 | we'll see |
| 18:19.22 | thewanderer1 | no error message |
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| 18:19.39 | gps23 | thewanderer1: got something: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-952452.html |
| 18:19.47 | gps23 | thewanderer1: its global problem |
| 18:20.08 | gps23 | https://launchpad.net/bugs/285937 |
| 18:20.52 | thewanderer1 | oh, so it needs some kind of daemon running |
| 18:21.11 | gps23 | thewanderer1: crap! i wrote whole script to automatically download and change wallpaper to wikipedia's featured picture. i wish i knew that i would encounter this bug at last stage |
| 18:21.39 | thewanderer1 | gps23: you need a cron daemon running in user session instead of system cron. |
| 18:21.47 | thewanderer1 | I once wrote one in PHP... :P |
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| 18:22.09 | thewanderer1 | writing one is easy, you just make yourself an infinite loop of commands |
| 18:22.27 | gps23 | thewanderer1: you mean my own cron?? |
| 18:22.29 | thewanderer1 | then put it in GNOME's global autostart |
| 18:22.30 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 18:22.36 | thewanderer1 | it's not a big thing, really |
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| 18:23.10 | gps23 | thewanderer1: yeah, seems plausible, a bit exciting also :) |
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| 18:23.26 | henrikbjorn | is it bad if all my source urls in apt-get update is prefix with "Hit" and then "Ign" ? |
| 18:23.54 | thewanderer1 | gps23: a few lines of bash, make that +x, then put a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/autostart or w/e it's called |
| 18:24.00 | gps23 | thewanderer1: may be i can write a specialized script to just run my script every X minutes |
| 18:24.11 | thewanderer1 | that's what I mean |
| 18:24.18 | thewanderer1 | while true; do |
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| 18:24.22 | thewanderer1 | #my script commands |
| 18:24.27 | thewanderer1 | sleep 60; done; |
| 18:24.49 | thewanderer1 | if you run that as user under GNOME, you get all the XDG session variables that gconftool needs |
| 18:24.57 | gps23 | thewanderer1: oh yes, its so easy. i am on it right away |
| 18:25.10 | gps23 | but why .desktop stuff? what if i just put it in autostart |
| 18:25.11 | _Dave123_ | how can I kill the running VNC Server session on :1 ? |
| 18:25.13 | _Dave123_ | Anyone know? |
| 18:25.37 | thewanderer1 | gps23: GNOME needs your autostart files to be desktop files, it's got something to do with FreeDesktop specification |
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| 18:26.07 | thewanderer1 | look at example desktop files on how to link your scripts from autostart |
| 18:26.37 | gps23 | thewanderer1: i mean i used to run liferea, everytime on boot but putting its path in startup applications, i think i can do same with my little cronie file |
| 18:26.46 | gps23 | s/but/by/ |
| 18:27.03 | peterrooney | _Dave123_: if you know the PID, kill -15 $PID for a graceful death, followed by kill -9 $PID if it's an uppiity, recalcitrant process. ps (with potions) can tell you the PID |
| 18:27.14 | thewanderer1 | gps23: if you mean the nice, clicky wizard called "Startup applications" then yes |
| 18:27.29 | peterrooney | s/upiity/uppity/ |
| 18:27.37 | gps23 | thewanderer1: yes, same one, System->preferences->startup apps |
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| 18:27.42 | thewanderer1 | and if you need to apply this system-wide to all users, just move the proper .desktop files from .config/autostart to /usr/share/idontrememberthepath |
| 18:27.49 | hello | hello intel atom 475 better or pentium 4 |
| 18:27.55 | thewanderer1 | atom |
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| 18:28.22 | hello | :) |
| 18:28.22 | thewanderer1 | only it has thousands of BIOS bugs, but if you can live with breakage, then it's better ;P |
| 18:28.29 | _Dave123_ | peterrooney: tx |
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| 18:28.57 | thewanderer1 | but Atom BIOS'es are known to be poor, at least for the 230/330 series |
| 18:28.58 | gps23 | thewanderer1: i am only user, now i need to do some more work to show off my new python script to my gf :p |
| 18:29.09 | thewanderer1 | ;P |
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| 18:29.25 | hello | pentium 3.06 ghz speed equivalent to atom 475 1.86 ? |
| 18:29.50 | thewanderer1 | hello: cpubenchmark.net |
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| 18:29.57 | _Dave123_ | peterrooney: I killed the processes |
| 18:30.06 | gps23 | thewanderer1: thanks. i am going to work :) |
| 18:30.14 | _Dave123_ | peterrooney: but when i start 'vncserver' again now, I would like it to start on :1 again, any suggestions to make this posible? |
| 18:30.17 | hello | thx |
| 18:30.28 | hello | i am curious abt x86 in mobilephones? |
| 18:30.39 | Ikarus | hello: *shudder* |
| 18:30.39 | hello | is there any mobile phone with x 86 |
| 18:30.45 | Ikarus | x86 is NOT power efficient |
| 18:30.47 | Ikarus | even when well designed |
| 18:30.51 | Ikarus | so no |
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| 18:31.11 | thewanderer1 | I don't see why you would need x86 in a mobile phone |
| 18:31.28 | thewanderer1 | Debian runs really nice on arm... laptops don't need x86 either ;P |
| 18:31.40 | hello | to run applications that require mono |
| 18:31.55 | thewanderer1 | right... and Wine... |
| 18:32.05 | thewanderer1 | do you want Flash with that? :P |
| 18:32.11 | gps23 | lol |
| 18:32.29 | hello | when away from home,and no laptop have only mobile to connect nice ? |
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| 18:32.59 | thewanderer1 | no, really - mono is too heavy for mobiles, the same goes for flash |
| 18:33.21 | Ikarus | hello: mono runs on ARM in theory |
| 18:33.22 | thewanderer1 | you probably want a laptop if you intend to run full-blown applications, and you won't need mono just to use the Internet :P |
| 18:33.26 | Ikarus | if the app is written well |
| 18:33.40 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: uh, my N900 runs flash apps reasonably well |
| 18:33.58 | hello | um okay |
| 18:34.03 | thewanderer1 | flash on ARM? what? |
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| 18:34.23 | thewanderer1 | well, perhaps there is a port. |
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| 18:34.33 | hello | good arm based processor isin ? |
| 18:34.57 | eirikb | If I want only my user to have access to my home dir, should I use chmod ag-wrx -R /home/myuser ? |
| 18:35.16 | thewanderer1 | eirikb: http://wiki.debian.org/PermissionHowto |
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| 18:36.35 | jelly-hme | eirikb: no, it's enough to do it without -R |
| 18:37.05 | eirikb | jelly-hme: But if other users know the path they could still access directories within my structure? |
| 18:37.24 | thewanderer1 | eirikb: no. see the note on path handling in the link I gave you. |
| 18:37.29 | jelly-hme | eirikb: nope. |
| 18:37.38 | eirikb | thewanderer1: I'm still reading it |
| 18:38.07 | eirikb | jelly-hme: Ok, so I don't need to make it sticky either then= |
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| 18:38.17 | gps23 | thewanderer1: adding dbus-launch before the command in crontab did the trick :) |
| 18:38.37 | jelly-hme | eirikb: $DEITY no, it's quite simple to achieve what you want. |
| 18:38.41 | thewanderer1 | gps23: sounds like madness to me - what happens when the user is not logged in? do you get a nice, fat bug? :D |
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| 18:39.13 | bkw | When I use virt-install with --location=http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/ I get: ERROR Couldn't find xen kernel for Debian tree. |
| 18:39.29 | gps23 | thewanderer1: ah yes, now i am unable to change wallpaper from Appearance Preferences :( |
| 18:39.56 | gps23 | thewanderer1: dunno much about dbus stuff |
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| 18:40.51 | eirikb | jelly-hme: It seems to do the trick. Had to run chmod u+rwx /home/myuser to gain access for my user |
| 18:41.14 | jelly-hme | eirikb: yep. go-rwx would have been correct, o instead of a |
| 18:41.29 | thewanderer1 | i can haz factoid nao? |
| 18:41.30 | eirikb | Ah I see |
| 18:41.36 | eirikb | jelly-hme: thewanderer1: Thanks for the help |
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| 18:42.47 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I'm still for replacing Permissions page and keeping the factoid as-is |
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| 18:43.15 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: alright, is there a tool for replacing or do I just do "edit"? |
| 18:43.37 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I'm not good with MoinMoin :-( |
| 18:43.42 | thewanderer1 | ok :P |
| 18:43.52 | thewanderer1 | it doesn't seem to like me either |
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| 18:44.37 | thewanderer1 | alright, renaming now |
| 18:44.41 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I do ikiwiki, and even then I edit pages via its backend version control system, where it's easy to svn commit or svn mv ;-) |
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| 18:45.17 | brian_ | \/quit |
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| 18:46.32 | thewanderer1 | !permissions |
| 18:46.32 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 18:48.46 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: see, nothing changed! :-D |
| 18:49.09 | jelly-hme | !qotd232 |
| 18:49.09 | dpkg | <bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P |
| 18:49.28 | jelly-hme | this monkey's gone to heaven |
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| 19:03.34 | bkw | Are there no unofficial debian-installer for xen netinst amd64? |
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| 19:03.51 | yesi_ | hi |
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| 19:04.27 | jelly-hme | bkw: can't you just install normally, then get the xen kernel? |
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| 19:05.19 | yesi_ | I'd like to know about the Debian ISO firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso. Is this an iso with non-free firmware ? Thank you in advance. |
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| 19:11.44 | bkw | jelly-hme: seem like virt-install want a --location=http://..., and for debian the xen files are only available in installer i386. I don't know it would be possible solving this in another way. |
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| 19:13.38 | tharkun | What is the aproximate number of users per architecture to justify setting up a mirror instead of a cacher ? |
| 19:13.58 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: the real question is how different those users are |
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| 19:14.35 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: but I'd imagine it'd be somewhere around 20-40 users, assuming they were slightly different |
| 19:14.48 | dondelelcaro | (and you had space, and bandwidth wasn't a serious problem) |
| 19:14.55 | thewanderer1 | how is a mirror better than a cacher? |
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| 19:15.29 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: I get the idea. Although i thought the number was far larger than that |
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| 19:15.37 | calamari | hi |
| 19:15.56 | suguiura | Hello |
| 19:15.58 | thewanderer1 | I'm running 20 amd64 OpenVZ containers using a common cacher now and they work just fine ;P |
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| 19:16.10 | tharkun | thewanderer1: a cacher pulls changes a mirror pushes them |
| 19:16.16 | jelly-hme | bkw: I think there are ways to customized the installer image, dunno if that would help in your case |
| 19:17.38 | tharkun | thewanderer1: I did some math and the only inflection point of the whole system is when you upload more bytes that you get from your source mirror. And how much time you save your users. |
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| 19:18.25 | calamari | I have my rootfs mounted read only, but directories underneath that are read-write. I tried using dpkg and it tells me dpkg: error processing (my package name was here) (--unpack): failed to delete `//..dpkg-tmp': Read-only file system |
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| 19:18.52 | simonrvn | so fix it |
| 19:19.10 | tharkun | calamari: What is your problem? |
| 19:19.12 | thewanderer1 | calamari: you can make yourself an aufs overlay over / |
| 19:19.22 | calamari | so on the surface, the solution seems obvious, remount / as read-write.. and that certainly works. however it has a limited number of flash write cycles and is not replaceable... so I'm hoping to find a workaround |
| 19:19.42 | tharkun | don't upgrade |
| 19:19.53 | simonrvn | tmpfs, what thewanderer1 said, logfs... |
| 19:19.53 | thewanderer1 | calamari: everyone is using RAM or aufs-based filesystems on flash drives nowadays |
| 19:20.30 | calamari | thewanderer1, thanks, I'll look into that |
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| 19:21.22 | calamari | what is it even doing with //..dpkg-tmp anyhow... quite the strange filename |
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| 19:21.59 | thewanderer1 | yeah, you'd have to ask someone who is into dpkg code :P |
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| 19:23.42 | simonrvn | still in the process of unpacking (obviously), and iirc that's just TMPDIR is set odd, or the r/o state of / |
| 19:23.58 | suguiura | Hey guys, do anyone know where or who I should ask about debian mirrors? |
| 19:24.04 | simonrvn | (last part's an edu-guess) |
| 19:24.26 | abrotman | suguiura: what about them? |
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| 19:26.01 | suguiura | abrotman: I'm interested getting some statistics about them, more specifically, the number of downloads of the iso files. I found some statistics in wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/Statistics), but I got no luck there... |
| 19:26.34 | abrotman | there is a debian-mirrors mailing list |
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| 19:28.05 | suguiura | Okay, I'll send an email there, then. I've already sent an email to the debian-cd mailing list, but I'll try it. Thanks for your help! =) |
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| 19:29.31 | calamari | simonrvn, thanks for the ideas.. setting TMPDIR didn't seem to have an effect, unfortunately |
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| 19:31.52 | peekay | how can I know what's the exact name of the radeon driver on my system? |
| 19:32.38 | tharkun | lpci |
| 19:32.41 | tharkun | lspci |
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| 19:33.07 | peekay | i need to know the name of the driver i should use in Section "Device" inside xorg.conf |
| 19:33.36 | abrotman | the system will pick the right driver if itis available |
| 19:34.11 | peekay | i'm on a laptop with an intel vga and an ati vga. the system is picking the intel vga & driver by default, so i have to make the switch manually |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | so turn the card off in the BIOS |
| 19:34.42 | peekay | can't do that, no option for that |
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| 19:34.52 | abrotman | remove it |
| 19:35.01 | peekay | it's a laptop |
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| 19:35.22 | abrotman | gives peekay a prybar |
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| 19:35.30 | peekay | heh |
| 19:35.35 | icebrain | peekay: it's probably "radeon" - the other drivers are for ancient cards iirc |
| 19:35.39 | abrotman | peekay: try specifying the BusID in your xorg.conf |
| 19:35.43 | icebrain | mach64 definitively is |
| 19:35.47 | abrotman | icebrain: or it's too new ? |
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| 19:35.53 | peekay | the BusID is the one that's listed in lspci? |
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| 19:36.43 | icebrain | abrotman: then there's no driver, but if there is, it's probably radeon. Just try it and check the log |
| 19:36.57 | abrotman | fglrx ? |
| 19:37.29 | jhutchins_lt | radeon or radeonhd |
| 19:37.32 | icebrain | abrotman: don't you have to manually install that? I think he'd remember doing it |
| 19:37.59 | abrotman | he didn't say if it works .. he's trying to figure out which card he has |
| 19:38.08 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 19:38.40 | itzhack | hey, is there a tool to list all packages depending on one particular library |
| 19:38.43 | itzhack | or dependency |
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| 19:39.01 | abrotman | aptitude show foopkg |
| 19:39.33 | itzhack | no, something that shows ALL packages that use one dependency |
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| 19:39.38 | anuj_ | ok |
| 19:39.49 | tharkun | itzhack: What use would that have? |
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| 19:40.05 | itzhack | competing library usage stats |
| 19:40.37 | abrotman | itzhack: apt-cache rdepends |
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| 19:42.25 | tharkun | Does X have a man page, if so how is it called ? |
| 19:43.04 | thewanderer1 | man X |
| 19:43.11 | thewanderer1 | I don't know where to find it though :P |
| 19:43.18 | thewanderer1 | man Xserver |
| 19:43.26 | itzhack | abrotman: thanks! |
| 19:43.32 | tharkun | thewanderer1: thx |
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| 19:52.15 | _Dave123_ | when i start 'vncserver' again now, I would like it to start on :1 again, any suggestions to make this posible? |
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| 19:53.24 | abrotman | i'm sure it takes an option for which display |
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| 19:56.59 | at0m | _Dave123_: vncserver --help |
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| 20:00.25 | tharkun | !tell _Dave123_ about popularity contest |
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| 20:02.42 | epsx | hi |
| 20:02.57 | mfonda | any idea when php 5.3.x will be in lenny? |
| 20:03.06 | thewanderer1 | it won't |
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| 20:03.24 | thewanderer1 | lenny is stable, stable doesn't see new packages |
| 20:03.41 | dvs | mfonda, it might be backported |
| 20:04.26 | epsx | who have a good tutorial bash (for little beginner :) ) |
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| 20:04.50 | thewanderer1 | epsx: google has, just ask it kindly - it's all in there |
| 20:05.14 | epsx | to explication if , for and other |
| 20:05.18 | epsx | :) |
| 20:05.31 | epsx | ohh.. ia google is our GOD :D |
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| 20:06.12 | moldovean | epsx, or #bash |
| 20:06.14 | mfonda | thewanderer1, so this means I have to wait for squeeze, with release date unknown ? |
| 20:06.23 | epsx | i searched but i think it kid hard to understand :( |
| 20:06.46 | jordanm | mfonda: yes |
| 20:06.53 | epsx | multumesc moldovean, thx moldovean :) |
| 20:07.37 | thewanderer1 | mfonda: or compile php5.3 on your own |
| 20:07.37 | thewanderer1 | mfonda: don't worry, security fixes are backported to Lenny anyway |
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| 20:08.41 | mfonda | thewanderer1, it's still on 5.2.6, trying to get 5.3 on a server i am working on the their response is "we can't do anything unless it's in lenny" so looking for more info, not too familiar with debian process at all. Is there any idea when squeeze will be stable? |
| 20:09.12 | thewanderer1 | mfonda: when it's ready |
| 20:09.35 | mfonda | thanks |
| 20:09.37 | thewanderer1 | mfonda: no chances of getting PHP5.3 in Lenny, sorry |
| 20:09.42 | thewanderer1 | unless you compile it |
| 20:10.20 | tharkun | there is a factoid that states some guidelines to save you lots of trouble, i just can't recall the name |
| 20:10.25 | abrotman | mfonda: why do you need 5.3.x ? |
| 20:10.36 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.56 | mfonda | abrotman, it's much better, and has some new features i need |
| 20:11.17 | abrotman | more bugs! |
| 20:11.30 | jelly-hme | tharkun: backporting php5 would prove to be a painful experience |
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| 20:11.51 | jelly-hme | abrotman: but they're new bugs. |
| 20:12.22 | tharkun | jelly-hme: I was stating options, I am no fan of in between distros dependency hell |
| 20:12.33 | tharkun | s/distros/release/ |
| 20:12.40 | jelly-hme | tharkun: those aren't really options for php5. |
| 20:13.21 | tharkun | For what you are saying it is indeed painfull then. :-( |
| 20:13.37 | jelly-hme | tharkun: yes. TIAS. |
| 20:14.42 | mfonda | so my only option to get 5.3 is compile from source, which is almost certainly a bad idea since everything php related is already installed from packages? or would it be less painful than I am imagining? |
| 20:14.46 | jelly-hme | mfonda: there are third party packages of questionable quality on /msg dpkg dotdeb |
| 20:15.04 | abrotman | very questionable |
| 20:15.17 | jelly-hme | mfonda: webhosting people at the place where I work do it from source and put it in /usr/local |
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| 20:15.50 | jelly-hme | abrotman: dunno, haven't tried those in a while (sarge or woody time perhaps) |
| 20:16.39 | jelly-hme | mfonda: debian itself makes a number of questionable changes to the packaged php, making it unsuitable for us |
| 20:17.04 | jelly-hme | gd api comes to mind |
| 20:17.31 | JoshH | can you elaborate? |
| 20:17.38 | mfonda | there was a discussion about this on the PHP mailing list a few months back... indeed some interesting changes. thanks for the help jelly-hme |
| 20:17.53 | solidsnack | Is there a way add a repo for use with `aptitude' dynamically? Like `aptitude --repo file://path/to/debs install my-pkg' ? |
| 20:18.02 | Chris___ | How can I fix my network manager to "control" my eth0? As of now, I just plug in my ethernet cable, and it works, but network manager still has the "Disconnected" icon |
| 20:18.05 | mfonda | JoshH, theres a list of all patches somewhere, no idea where |
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| 20:18.36 | jelly-hme | JoshH: php source comes with bundled, modified copy of gd lib; debian uses system gd thus losing a bit of functionality |
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| 20:18.51 | JoshH | what about the php5-gd package? |
| 20:19.00 | jelly-hme | what about it? |
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| 20:19.20 | JoshH | is that it? i don't do any php coding, just know what to install to make shit work |
| 20:19.27 | JoshH | i hate php personally |
| 20:19.56 | JoshH | perl bigot for life |
| 20:19.57 | jelly-hme | JoshH: that's it |
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| 20:20.43 | jelly-hme | it's built and linked against libgdwhatever which is built from gd upstream, not php's bundled copy |
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| 20:21.09 | thewanderer1 | !join ##linux |
| 20:21.13 | jelly-hme | note: I haven't taken a look at this issue in 2-3 years at least; things may have changed |
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| 20:21.33 | _hc | can anyone point me to instructions on how to start a packaging team? |
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| 20:22.07 | thewanderer1 | _hc: "Forbidden Knowledge" book has a chapter called "How to start a riot", if that's relevant |
| 20:22.15 | solidsnack | _hc: A packaging team? |
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| 20:23.33 | tharkun | jelly-hme: I thought debian quirks where not that common :-( |
| 20:24.20 | jelly-hme | tharkun: I don't know how common they are or what exactly you mean by quirks. |
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| 20:24.31 | _hc | solidsnack: yes, as in pkg-multimedia, pkg-java, pkg-perl |
| 20:24.43 | solidsnack | Oh, I see. |
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| 20:26.45 | tharkun | jelly-hme: Never mind, I was thinking about choices "packagers" make that are sometimes not the best for the overall performance of the system. |
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| 20:32.20 | nkuttler | hrm. i have an empty /etc/hosts.allow and ALL: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny on box1, yet i can still access at least port 80 from another box. any ideas? |
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| 20:32.39 | nkuttler | oh, box1 is running sid |
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| 20:32.51 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
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| 20:33.04 | dboehmer | i have problems getting php in userdir to work |
| 20:33.23 | dboehmer | i have set up lighty and php works in general. phpmyadmin is no problem |
| 20:33.31 | thewanderer1 | nkuttler: <breaking news>/etc/hosts.allow is a config file for TCP wrappers, so only programs that use tcpwrappers will accept the rules set therein</breaking> |
| 20:33.43 | nkuttler | ah |
| 20:33.50 | dboehmer | unfortunately when accessing php files in /~username i get the php file for download |
| 20:34.15 | dboehmer | also when accessing / it provides index.php for download. when accessing /index.php it works |
| 20:34.28 | dboehmer | any ideas how to fix that? |
| 20:34.43 | thewanderer1 | nkuttler: use iptables if you want "firewall" |
| 20:34.59 | nkuttler | thewanderer1: yeah, sure, i always do. i was just confused right now |
| 20:35.03 | thewanderer1 | dboehmer: you've broken your web server configuration |
| 20:35.12 | dboehmer | for userdirs even requesting the php file with full path delivers the php code itself |
| 20:35.28 | dboehmer | thewanderer1, i've purged and reinstalled lighty in between |
| 20:35.35 | thewanderer1 | please tell me you're not using webmin |
| 20:35.44 | dboehmer | i do not |
| 20:36.10 | abrotman | dboehmer: squeeze? |
| 20:36.21 | dboehmer | the server runs on my laptop with debian testing and all packages have been installed from terminal |
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| 20:36.33 | dboehmer | abrotman, hit |
| 20:36.38 | dboehmer | is that any problem? |
| 20:37.07 | abrotman | it's disabled, look in the uhm, user_dir.conf in the mods_available |
| 20:37.52 | thewanderer1 | dboehmer: what setup are you using PHP in? what config? the stock one? |
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| 20:38.30 | thewanderer1 | you might also want to read the logs... |
| 20:38.38 | dboehmer | i've just installed lighttpd, php5, php5-fcgi, mysql-server, phpmyadmin |
| 20:39.06 | thewanderer1 | there's no "php5-fcgi" |
| 20:39.36 | dboehmer | thewanderer1, php5-cgi |
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| 20:40.17 | thewanderer1 | alright... so your config is most probably messed up, since you messed with it :P |
| 20:40.41 | dboehmer | thewanderer1, what did i mess up?? |
| 20:40.54 | thewanderer1 | this you should find out |
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| 20:41.30 | thewanderer1 | all I know is that lighttpd works in the default setup and with dir indexing, it parses php files instead of displaying them |
| 20:41.31 | thewanderer1 | well... |
| 20:41.41 | thewanderer1 | have you checked if it's not the PHP files themselves? |
| 20:41.59 | abrotman | dboehmer: i already told you |
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| 20:42.23 | Lateralus | any way to figure out what repository a package is from? |
| 20:42.34 | thewanderer1 | apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 20:42.45 | abrotman | !tell Lateralus about which repo |
| 20:43.31 | Lateralus | thewanderer1: that doesn't tell me what repo it's from? |
| 20:43.48 | dboehmer | abrotman, there is no user_dir.conf -- do you talk about apache2? i am using lighty |
| 20:44.18 | thewanderer1 | dboehmer: have you tried this with the default config? |
| 20:44.20 | abrotman | Lateralus: see what the bot told you in msg |
| 20:44.33 | dboehmer | thewanderer1, the PHP files themself work perfectly correct |
| 20:44.41 | Lateralus | abrotman: I see it, thanks |
| 20:44.52 | thewanderer1 | dboehmer: alright, but you said that URL / doesn't work |
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| 20:44.59 | thewanderer1 | s/URL/URI/ |
| 20:45.09 | abrotman | dboehmer: oh, NFC then, clear browser cache, restart browser, try again |
| 20:45.18 | dboehmer | thewanderer1, i see no difference to default config in my installation ... |
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| 20:45.48 | thewanderer1 | dboehmer: backup your config, install the stock config, repeat, then enable features one by one and see when it breaks |
| 20:46.09 | abrotman | dboehmer: the browser cache often causes issues, try using wget or telnet |
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| 20:46.56 | dboehmer | abrotman, impressing. / does now work |
| 20:47.03 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 20:47.28 | dboehmer | thewanderer1, as i told before i purge the existing install and reinstalled to solve the issue which didn't help |
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| 20:47.59 | thewanderer1 | so you don't have the userdir enabled now? |
| 20:48.05 | thewanderer1 | (or then) |
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| 20:49.34 | thewanderer1 | is it working now after abrotman's suggestion? O.o |
| 20:51.05 | dboehmer | userdir is not working ATM |
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| 20:51.31 | dboehmer | i've done this is in the past but now i cannot find it again: how to enable userdir?? |
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| 20:53.36 | abrotman | apache2? |
| 20:53.38 | Lateralus | abrotman: Ouch. didnt work. Isn't straight debian, but the OS is debian based so I thought that would work -- I just typed all that on a phone -_- |
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| 20:53.53 | thewanderer1 | let's see, I have it working |
| 20:53.59 | dboehmer | abrotman, still lighty |
| 20:54.05 | thewanderer1 | have you tried lighty-enable-mod userdir ? |
| 20:54.12 | abrotman | Lateralus: sorry, not really a clue then, if it's maemo, ask #maemo |
| 20:54.19 | abrotman | dboehmer: NFC, i don't use it |
| 20:54.49 | Lateralus | abrotman: doing so, thanks :) |
| 20:55.01 | dboehmer | well, i have a workaround for the moment: a symlink in /var/www |
| 20:55.08 | abrotman | eww |
| 20:55.08 | thewanderer1 | er... :P |
| 20:55.27 | dboehmer | don't have the time to keep on struggling with the config as project is due in about 13h |
| 20:55.41 | dboehmer | maybe a good idea to start now;-) |
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| 20:56.13 | thewanderer1 | lighty-enable-mod userdir |
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| 20:59.32 | homie | what may be the issue with finding garbage words like ÜÜÜÜ æææ in my dpkg's available and status files ? |
| 20:59.40 | homie | what may that indicate ? |
| 20:59.46 | thewanderer1 | bad sectors |
| 20:59.47 | abrotman | encoding issue? |
| 20:59.55 | homie | i don't know |
| 21:00.02 | thewanderer1 | last time I found rubbish in status, it was my pendrive failing |
| 21:00.07 | homie | i had to correct by hand last time |
| 21:00.14 | homie | 2-4 times i think |
| 21:00.22 | homie | and i don't know where it creeps in |
| 21:00.23 | thewanderer1 | homie: do a data integrity test |
| 21:00.39 | homie | at least aptitude now deinstalled dialog |
| 21:00.47 | homie | don't know why too |
| 21:00.50 | abrotman | homie: is it causing problems? |
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| 21:01.03 | homie | really no idea abrotman |
| 21:01.14 | homie | i was just reinstalling emacs |
| 21:01.16 | homie | emacs23 |
| 21:01.23 | abrotman | homie: which version of dpkg ? |
| 21:01.27 | homie | so i had to remove previous versions of emacs |
| 21:01.32 | homie | err wait |
| 21:01.55 | homie | 1.15.8.3 |
| 21:02.22 | thewanderer1 | homie: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/var/testfile bs=1024k count=200; md5sum /var/testfile >/checksum, then reboot, generate the checksum of /var/testfile again, compare it to what you have in /checksum |
| 21:02.43 | thewanderer1 | if they don't match, it's time to get a new disk |
| 21:03.13 | homie | ok |
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| 21:05.31 | abrotman | homie: dpkg -l dpkg |
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| 21:05.43 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 21:05.46 | abrotman | judd: versions dpkg |
| 21:05.49 | judd | dpkg -- etch: 1.13.26; lenny: 1.14.29; lenny-security: 1.14.29; squeeze: 1.15.7.2; sid: 1.15.8.3 |
| 21:05.49 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, judd |
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| 21:12.17 | thewanderer1 | are there any recordings from DebConf10? |
| 21:12.39 | themill | thewanderer1: at present, there are live streams. recordings to follow in some weeks |
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| 21:13.02 | thewanderer1 | alright... I'll be sure to check up on them - I've seen the streams, too |
| 21:13.13 | balor | Is /usr/lib/jni/ in the default Debian path? |
| 21:13.25 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 21:13.25 | balor | sorry...LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 21:13.57 | thewanderer1 | on my system, it's not |
| 21:14.06 | balor | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 21:14.14 | thewanderer1 | but it all depends on ld configuration specific to your system, you know :P |
| 21:14.22 | thewanderer1 | (I have no /usr/lib/jni anyway) |
| 21:14.41 | balor | thewanderer1: I just wondered if it was standard if you had installed any Java JNI stuff like jogl-java |
| 21:14.43 | syslq | What backup strategy do you use? |
| 21:15.32 | thewanderer1 | I don't have any java stuff |
| 21:16.25 | thewanderer1 | syslq: I currently use none. other than that, use one that works... faubackup to a backup drive + mysqldump do the trick for me |
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| 21:17.44 | syslq | twiggz: thx |
| 21:17.50 | syslq | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 21:25.24 | phox | agh |
| 21:25.36 | phox | what the smegging crap... why is it that init STILL doesn't get its oom_adj set properly? |
| 21:25.40 | phox | *facedesk* |
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| 21:27.31 | thewanderer1 | phox: facebook, even |
| 21:27.32 | EagleScreen_ | hello |
| 21:27.48 | EagleScreen_ | I ma using Debian testing + Gnome 2.30 + Compiz |
| 21:28.04 | EagleScreen_ | when I start Compiz, the gnome workspace swticher does not work |
| 21:28.08 | EagleScreen_ | any workaround? |
| 21:28.12 | thewanderer1 | yes / no |
| 21:28.24 | thewanderer1 | it's not supposed to work any longer |
| 21:28.30 | thewanderer1 | use Compiz's workspace switcher |
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| 21:29.44 | EagleScreen_ | Compiz's workspace switcher can be added to panel? |
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| 21:31.02 | thewanderer1 | check it - haven't used Compiz for a while |
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| 21:54.05 | guest_ | sources.list for etch has the repo been moved ? |
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| 21:54.27 | Bushmills | !etch |
| 21:54.27 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 21:54.34 | zenergi | Do most people install drupal from the OS package source (apt/yum, etc) or from the drupal source? I'd imagine the latter is a more secure and preferred option. |
| 21:55.05 | jordanm | zenergi: the later requires you to manage your own security, while the former is expected to be handled by the debian maintainer |
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| 21:55.26 | guest_ | !etch sources.list |
| 21:55.26 | dpkg | somebody said etch sources.list was "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 21:55.56 | jordanm | zenergi: its the same with any other descision to go with upstream instead of debian. in this case, it just happens to be easier |
| 21:55.56 | guest_ | ty |
| 21:55.58 | zenergi | jordanm: right, but doesn't the OS version also lag behind the current source, leaving a window open for known expoits? |
| 21:56.55 | icebrain | zenergi: the mantainers backport security patches |
| 21:57.03 | jordanm | zenergi: patches for those exploits are backported into the older version. this allows the packages to stay secure without major changes |
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| 21:57.41 | zenergi | jordanm: ahh, so even though Ubuntu 10.04 is using Drupal 6.16, it have the security fixes from 6.17 |
| 21:57.44 | zenergi | ? |
| 21:57.55 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 21:57.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:58.01 | thewanderer1 | crap, I am running into the ACPI bug again |
| 21:58.06 | jordanm | zenergi: I have no idea how ubuntu handles their security |
| 21:58.19 | jordanm | zenergi: you are in #debian |
| 21:58.34 | zenergi | jordanm: correct, the topic has shifted to their dept :) |
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| 21:58.53 | jordanm | zenergi: it was their dept the entire time, you just did not inform us until now |
| 21:58.54 | zenergi | doh, i'm losing it, sorry, thought i was in the drupal channel :) |
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| 22:01.51 | guest_ | !av |
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| 22:05.08 | guest_ | which is better for cleaning up a buggy windows box ? clamav or amavis |
| 22:05.54 | guest_ | i mean besides fdisk :) |
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| 22:06.17 | guest_ | heh or cat or dd :))) |
| 22:06.19 | nsadmin | windows? |
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| 22:06.39 | guest_ | yeah you know. that other os if you can call it that |
| 22:07.11 | phox | debian does not get to make fun of Windows this week |
| 22:07.25 | jordanm | guest_: try ##windows |
| 22:07.42 | phox | I just filed a bug on a long-standing fun-sudden-reboot issue that Windows has certainly not suffered from at least since NT |
| 22:07.42 | guest_ | phox sorry... thought that was last weak |
| 22:07.53 | phox | guest_: it's the last year or so, and until this bug gets fixed |
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| 22:08.25 | jordanm | phox: #? |
| 22:08.33 | iceroot | guest_: use clamav |
| 22:08.43 | iceroot | guest_: amavis is a mail-checker |
| 22:08.45 | phox | jordanm: dunno I haven't gotten the e-mail back |
| 22:08.55 | phox | 591854 |
| 22:08.58 | guest_ | ah i see, thanks iceroot |
| 22:09.28 | phox | that's a severely embarrassing bug. |
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| 22:10.03 | jordanm | phox: it doesn't mention that it causes the machine to crash, nor does it indicate what makes it an RC bug |
| 22:10.06 | blinkenlight | guest_: nod32, kaspersky and mse are good antiviruses but only mse is free. none will fix bugs though. |
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| 22:10.47 | phox | jordanm: anyone with half a brain will understand that. anyone who does not understand that should not be maintaining a critical package like that. that's how stupid stuff like this happens in the first place. |
| 22:10.53 | jordanm | phox: also, sysvinit was replaced my insserv in the release you are running |
| 22:11.07 | phox | I see |
| 22:11.30 | jordanm | s/my/by/ |
| 22:12.01 | jordanm | phox: your kernel is also quite a bit out of date |
| 22:12.06 | phox | probably |
| 22:12.14 | xyan | insserv just reorders initscripts sysvinit is still there in sid |
| 22:12.18 | phox | machine -was- up for half a year before this pile of stupid. |
| 22:12.42 | phox | maybe I'll take this "opportunity" to update it |
| 22:12.45 | xyan | jordanm: upstart is a sysvinit replacement but not insserv imo |
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| 22:13.41 | phox | yo |
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| 22:17.49 | phox | anyways, point is if it's going to remain in tree it needs to be fixed :) |
| 22:18.39 | Arrowmaster | is that a production system? |
| 22:18.47 | phox | yes. |
| 22:19.00 | phox | this is not the argument you are looking for. |
| 22:19.05 | jordanm | then it shouldn't be running sid |
| 22:19.17 | phox | it's a production system that has software development done on it. |
| 22:19.28 | Arrowmaster | well i was just going to say that youve got some packages listed there that are older than what ive got on testing |
| 22:19.34 | phox | so it's going to keep running a flavour that provides something resembling up-to-date software. |
| 22:19.38 | bronaugh | Arrowmaster: it happens. |
| 22:19.40 | phox | Arrowmaster: heh |
| 22:19.54 | bronaugh | we upgrade as needed, not continuously. |
| 22:19.58 | phox | Arrowmaster: oh well. they get updated when someone cares. or when they're world-facing. |
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| 22:20.03 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think 2.6.30 was in sid for quite a while |
| 22:20.14 | jordanm | hehe, likely not even this year |
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| 22:20.21 | bronaugh | also, for what it's worth, I prefer that things get fixed quickly (as in sid) to things staying broken for two weeks (as in testing) |
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| 22:20.27 | exaboy | what is the setting in the kernel for pagesize? it should be 4096 |
| 22:20.39 | exaboy | kernel.shmmax, kernel.shmall & ? |
| 22:20.40 | bronaugh | jordanm: build date is 13 months ago. |
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| 22:23.43 | bronaugh | exaboy: eh, page size is processor dependent. |
| 22:23.49 | bronaugh | on x86 it's usually 4k, but there are 4m pages as well. |
| 22:24.33 | bronaugh | exaboy: what's your goal in determining it? |
| 22:24.38 | bronaugh | ie: why do you need it? |
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| 22:26.32 | exaboy | its for postgresql. i was just wanting to tell my host that this value is used to calculate the optimal shmall value. eg kernel.shmall = celi(kernel.shmmax / 4096) |
| 22:26.51 | bronaugh | you mean ceil but yeah |
| 22:27.11 | exaboy | yeah sorry |
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| 22:28.29 | bronaugh | assuming 4k is safe. |
| 22:28.32 | exaboy | bronaugh: im on a VPS running OpenVZ and my container is debian . |
| 22:28.49 | bronaugh | yeah. just assume 4k. |
| 22:28.59 | exaboy | bronaugh: in all the postgresql documentation its 4k |
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| 22:29.25 | bronaugh | yeah. pretty safe assumption. |
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| 22:30.18 | exaboy | getconf PAGE_SIZE |
| 22:30.32 | exaboy | thats the only place its stored ive just found. |
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| 22:32.53 | BbT0n | hi |
| 22:33.59 | bronaugh | what the hell's wrong with that dude? he's one letter away from "Gintendo" which is much funnier. |
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| 22:35.41 | exaboy | huh? |
| 22:37.16 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/82337/ -- wtf? |
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| 22:38.44 | RichiH | nice, once i create a label with fdisk, parted starts to work. |
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| 22:39.54 | RichiH | (ah, got it) |
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| 22:42.09 | streuner_ | RichiH: thats always the best solution - the "user"answered her/his own question :-P |
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| 22:43.23 | exaboy | i do that at work all the time. |
| 22:43.51 | exaboy | the process of preparing another person to understand the problem is usually enough to answer the question yourself. |
| 22:43.57 | bronaugh | often, yeah. |
| 22:44.05 | bronaugh | commenting code is also a great way to find bugs. |
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| 22:44.26 | streuner_ | true, but it helps if somebody ask new things, you get more input... |
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| 22:44.38 | bronaugh | yup. doesn't replace good ole code review. |
| 22:45.06 | bronaugh | helps to prepare for it though. |
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| 22:48.07 | mtm | Pure retards on this network |
| 22:48.25 | mtm | Ubuntu should be thrown in the garbage |
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| 22:48.46 | ikonia | he was just removed from #ubuntu too |
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| 22:52.09 | phox | wonders how long his bug is going to take to cook |
| 22:53.36 | phox | bbiab |
| 22:54.16 | streuner_ | ikonia: so a troll, thanks |
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| 22:56.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I want to perform a debian netinstall on my laptop. Is there a way after installation i can install the same packages which come on the CD 1 debian installer like gnome etc? |
| 22:56.35 | bronaugh | 'tasksel' should do what you want. |
| 22:56.38 | bronaugh | runs by default. |
| 22:57.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | what should i run ? tasksel install gnome-desktop ? |
| 22:57.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | after i install tasksel? |
| 22:57.33 | bronaugh | uh. ok. perhaps you missed the part about it running by default, and thus being installed by default. |
| 22:57.55 | bronaugh | you check off "Desktop environment" |
| 22:58.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 22:58.32 | bronaugh | netinst uses the same installer as CD inst. |
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| 22:58.48 | mainer | select desktop-environment indeed. i did a fresh one last week,squeeze |
| 22:59.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | actually the problem is i downloaded the latest testing image of 2nd august. but it has some glitch in installing grub |
| 22:59.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so i was wondering i would try the netinstall image |
| 22:59.40 | bronaugh | what glitch w/grub? |
| 23:00.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it cant install grub in the mbr automatically |
| 23:00.10 | bronaugh | ... because? |
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| 23:00.21 | bronaugh | just saying this because I think you're barking up the wrong tree here |
| 23:00.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ... i don't know |
| 23:00.28 | bronaugh | netinst won't change anything there. |
| 23:00.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but how even images a month old could install flawlessly on the same box |
| 23:01.01 | mainer | i used the debian-installer alpha netinstall iirc all is fine |
| 23:01.10 | bronaugh | sh4d3sl4y3r_: well; by installing you change things. |
| 23:01.25 | bronaugh | so that's one possible source of problems. |
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| 23:01.32 | bronaugh | another one is that they may have switched grub versions. |
| 23:01.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have tried both grub2 and grub-legacy using expert install |
| 23:01.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | both failed |
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| 23:02.57 | bronaugh | well; you could always manually install grub to mbr. |
| 23:03.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and one more thing. the installer didnt list "Desktop Environment" .. |
| 23:03.17 | bronaugh | hitting alt-f2 or f3 or f4 (don't remember what it is in current installers) will give you a prompt at which you can monkey around. |
| 23:03.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i did that using the same cd.. it failed... "grub-install /dev/sda" |
| 23:03.44 | streuner_ | sn |
| 23:03.47 | bronaugh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589873 |
| 23:03.50 | bronaugh | this might be relevant |
| 23:04.04 | streuner_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: doesnt sound like an stable installer... |
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| 23:04.59 | streuner_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: keep in mind, devel installers are sometimes very nasty, evil bugs, next day some of them are just working fine... |
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| 23:05.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes i have encountered that in the past |
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| 23:10.25 | exaboy | themill: when you are kicked by an admin is that recorded anywhere? |
| 23:11.01 | mainer | exaboy: check topic |
| 23:11.02 | bronaugh | in admin's brain. |
| 23:11.12 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:11.28 | bronaugh | great big pattern-matching filter. |
| 23:11.35 | bronaugh | which also matches patterns of speech. |
| 23:11.38 | streuner_ | exaboy: just ask the guy who kicked/banned you |
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| 23:14.56 | exaboy | yeah i think it should be recorded in a nice big database on freenode, and the less of a reputation you have a warning preceeds your enttry into a channel |
| 23:15.11 | exaboy | streuner_: ive never been kicked or banned. |
| 23:15.26 | exaboy | touches his shiny wooden desk |
| 23:15.30 | streuner_ | exaboy: why do you ask then? |
| 23:16.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | bronaugh is there a way I can boot using the Lenny CD and perform a netinstall using the "Testing" repo ? |
| 23:16.31 | exaboy | like i said above. your conduct should be recorded |
| 23:17.34 | bronaugh | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I think there's a way to manually modify sources.list |
| 23:17.36 | bronaugh | so the answer is, yeah. |
| 23:18.02 | bronaugh | or you can just install a base install, change sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, and then run tasksel. |
| 23:18.12 | bronaugh | not as clean, but it'll work. |
| 23:18.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | affirmative |
| 23:19.20 | beardy | wonders why anyone would run tasksel voluntarily. |
| 23:19.35 | bronaugh | shrug. got a better idea? |
| 23:19.37 | bronaugh | I'm all ears. |
| 23:20.25 | beardy | Use aptitude, if you really want the tasks, they're there. |
| 23:20.45 | bronaugh | uh, last time I used aptitude's gui, it installed a crapload of stuff I didn't want. |
| 23:20.50 | bronaugh | works fine at command line. gui sketchy. |
| 23:20.56 | mainer | try aptitude -t |
| 23:21.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gui? or tui? |
| 23:21.08 | beardy | GUI? |
| 23:21.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 23:21.27 | bronaugh | shrug. bastard child of ncurses. |
| 23:21.29 | bronaugh | whatever. |
| 23:21.44 | blinkenlight | why not just use apt-get then? |
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| 23:22.08 | bronaugh | apt-get doesn't work as well. |
| 23:22.26 | beardy | Because it isn't interactive, doesn't do tasks, and /msg dpkg why aptitude . |
| 23:22.41 | bronaugh | I ran into a problem a few weeks back where apt-get used statvfs instead of statvfs64, and thus didn't work on a >2T filesystem. |
| 23:22.54 | themill | eh? |
| 23:22.55 | bronaugh | just one example. |
| 23:23.02 | bronaugh | themill: bug submitted, fix in pipe. |
| 23:23.20 | themill | aptitude does the same thing in interactive mode as on the command line. |
| 23:23.29 | beardy | Quite. |
| 23:23.46 | blinkenlight | exclusively and i've never had any problems yet, maybe i'm lucky |
| 23:23.52 | blinkenlight | thought it was the "standard" |
| 23:23.57 | bronaugh | ok. this is just my memory from oh, 8 years ago, so I definitely could be remembering in a fuzzy way. |
| 23:24.10 | blinkenlight | *i've been using it exclusively |
| 23:24.34 | bronaugh | bug # 509513 is the statvfs one. |
| 23:24.56 | bronaugh | the fix is ... not great. heh. |
| 23:25.28 | beardy | bronaugh: You haven't used aptitude in 8 years? |
| 23:25.41 | b0nghitter | damn rtorrent and libtorrent are olllld in lenny |
| 23:25.48 | bronaugh | beardy: moving to it now, because as I said, it does work better. |
| 23:27.11 | themill | bronaugh: guess again at that bug number? |
| 23:27.41 | bronaugh | themill: argh, sorry. 590513 |
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| 23:34.07 | krisfremen | , versions libc6 |
| 23:34.09 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
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| 23:36.52 | krisfremen | hmm... so i messed something up really bad |
| 23:37.03 | krisfremen | don't ask how, even I myself don't know |
| 23:37.16 | krisfremen | dpkg complains about ldconfig missing |
| 23:37.17 | dpkg | krisfremen: i haven't a clue |
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| 23:39.35 | project2501a | what is stopping us from treating IPv6 addresses as colon separated decimal addresses? |
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| 23:40.05 | project2501a | 134917498:255:08:3747:83483;234500 etc etc etc? |
| 23:40.22 | krisfremen | project2501a: you can, it's just for the sake of simplicity and shortness |
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| 23:40.31 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: what stops you from using hex instead of decimal in everyday life? :P |
| 23:40.35 | project2501a | wait, hex is simple? :D |
| 23:40.38 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 23:40.49 | thewanderer1 | numbers are shorter, nobody likes long numbers |
| 23:40.51 | bronaugh | I prefer sexadecimal. |
| 23:41.03 | thewanderer1 | actually, base36 is way more cooler |
| 23:41.04 | project2501a | thewanderer1: may introduce you to this thing called "outside" |
| 23:41.09 | project2501a | it has a "sky" |
| 23:41.13 | project2501a | and "beer" |
| 23:41.16 | project2501a | and "women" :D |
| 23:41.17 | bronaugh | and ten friggin' fingers. |
| 23:41.21 | krisfremen | i hate beer |
| 23:41.28 | Arrowmaster | hex is easy to convert to binary, unlike decimal |
| 23:41.28 | krisfremen | i like sangria and sherry |
| 23:41.31 | bronaugh | see, I think we should go sexadecimal to avoid discrimination against people who lose fingers. |
| 23:41.33 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: evolution hasn't yet caught up |
| 23:41.36 | bronaugh | build some redundancy into it :P |
| 23:41.51 | bronaugh | plus I like the name better. |
| 23:41.54 | project2501a | Arrowmaster: um, decimal is dead easy to convert to binary |
| 23:41.57 | ax-ax | [ 460.076149] ata4.01: revalidation failed (errno=-5) [ 465.116017] ata4: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0) [ 470.100015] ata4: device not ready (errno=-16), forcing hardreset |
| 23:42.02 | ax-ax | is a bad thing right? |
| 23:42.02 | bronaugh | project2501a: not compared to hex. |
| 23:42.24 | bronaugh | ax-ax: sounds like it. |
| 23:42.24 | project2501a | ax-ax: may i suggest you go get yourself a new hard drive? |
| 23:42.35 | thewanderer1 | ax-ax: Three things are certain: death, taxes and hardware failure. Guess which just happened. |
| 23:42.39 | Arrowmaster | if you only need part of a hex number converted to binary its dead simple, if you need part of a decimal number in binary you have to convert the entire number |
| 23:42.45 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: could be taxes |
| 23:42.50 | ax-ax | i have a hard drive, yes |
| 23:42.53 | bronaugh | I mean, bailiff could have just jacked his hard drive. |
| 23:42.55 | project2501a | thewanderer1: i do not pay taxes |
| 23:43.03 | ax-ax | and it recently hit the floor kinda hard |
| 23:43.11 | ax-ax | at first it didn't want to boot |
| 23:43.20 | ax-ax | but now i can read and use it |
| 23:43.21 | thewanderer1 | ax-ax: Pro tip: hitting the floor with the drive is bad for the floor and the drive |
| 23:43.22 | project2501a | it is playing hard to get. |
| 23:43.35 | ax-ax | obviously, i can chat also |
| 23:43.44 | project2501a | that doesn't mean anything |
| 23:43.45 | bronaugh | ax-ax: yeah, hope you don't have swap. |
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| 23:43.56 | project2501a | you could be runnign from ram |
| 23:44.01 | project2501a | ax-ax: is it sata or ata? |
| 23:44.06 | bronaugh | soon as anything touches your disk... applications gonna freeze like catholic boys in a room alone with a priest. |
| 23:44.06 | ax-ax | sata |
| 23:44.11 | project2501a | do you have a sata-to-usb adaptro? |
| 23:44.25 | project2501a | adaptor, ever |
| 23:44.28 | ax-ax | not for this disc, no |
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| 23:44.49 | project2501a | ax-ax: go get yourself some ice packs. surround said hard drive |
| 23:44.50 | ax-ax | [ 481.441092] ata4.01: device reported invalid CHS sector 0 |
| 23:44.50 | ax-ax | [ 481.441101] ata4: EH complete |
| 23:44.53 | ax-ax | hm, what |
| 23:45.02 | project2501a | start backing up your stuff |
| 23:45.04 | project2501a | ice packs |
| 23:45.08 | project2501a | put the hard drive on ice |
| 23:45.18 | bronaugh | hm, you think motor bearings? |
| 23:45.31 | project2501a | looks like it. could be the head |
| 23:45.39 | bronaugh | ice won't help with head of course. |
| 23:45.50 | project2501a | it wont? |
| 23:45.53 | bronaugh | if it gets progressively worse as it gets warmer, it could be motor. |
| 23:45.55 | project2501a | it generaly helps |
| 23:46.03 | bronaugh | it helps with track alignment issues. |
| 23:46.20 | ax-ax | the errors did only appear briefly :s |
| 23:46.22 | bronaugh | but -once- the drive has found the track markers, thermal recalibration will take care of it. |
| 23:46.24 | thewanderer1 | yeah, and run `watch hddtemp /dev/sda` or whatever it is :P |
| 23:46.52 | project2501a | i need a way to look at syslog messages |
| 23:46.53 | _Dave123_ | how can I change the resolution of my vncserver session? |
| 23:46.56 | project2501a | other than tail -f |
| 23:47.07 | project2501a | why are people so keen on vnc? |
| 23:47.22 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: because RDP/NX are non-free :P |
| 23:47.22 | bronaugh | project2501a: 'watch tail'? |
| 23:47.23 | bronaugh | heh. |
| 23:47.40 | project2501a | _Dave123_: in short, you can't. you got to start the session again. |
| 23:47.48 | project2501a | thewanderer1: ssh? |
| 23:48.18 | ax-ax | i haven't had any errors for like twenty minutes now |
| 23:48.19 | _Dave123_ | project2501a: sure, but how then? |
| 23:48.21 | thewanderer1 | ah, right. but Windows doesn't have SSH clients capable of zero-hacking X redir... |
| 23:48.37 | ax-ax | and i didn't have any for about half an hour after boot |
| 23:48.40 | ax-ax | :s |
| 23:48.48 | thewanderer1 | ax-ax: I haven't died for 17 years now, but you never know - prepare accordingly and don't do stupid things |
| 23:49.06 | project2501a | ax-ax: ok. listen. you will not get away with it. start backing up now. or regret it later |
| 23:49.06 | thewanderer1 | (shaking the drive does count) |
| 23:49.13 | project2501a | lost 5.36gb yesterday |
| 23:49.13 | ax-ax | yes i am backing up my camera folder |
| 23:49.21 | project2501a | lost 5.36tb yesterday |
| 23:49.30 | bronaugh | project2501a: how? |
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| 23:49.41 | project2501a | some idiot kicked the nas device in the data room\ |
| 23:49.53 | thewanderer1 | what about RAID? :P |
| 23:49.53 | exaboy | ROFL! |
| 23:50.00 | project2501a | it had raid |
| 23:50.03 | krt_ | can I disable apt-get from using ipv6 without disabling ipv6 on the system? |
| 23:50.06 | project2501a | 5 disks, raid 5 |
| 23:50.07 | thewanderer1 | then it had bad raid :P |
| 23:50.16 | thewanderer1 | good RAID = redundant RAID |
| 23:50.22 | krt_ | all of the references i'm finding show how to disable ipv6 on the boxes |
| 23:50.35 | bronaugh | project2501a: so it was -all- toast? |
| 23:50.36 | project2501a | thewanderer1: it was a dinky little nas device, which i bought while we were waiting for real hardware. |
| 23:50.38 | bronaugh | or just part of it? |
| 23:50.40 | krisfremen | hmm... why does aptitude's C-T not work when running inside a screen session? |
| 23:50.54 | project2501a | bronaugh: 1 disk fried, 1 disk did not come online, two online. |
| 23:50.58 | thewanderer1 | krisfremen: probably because screens captures it |
| 23:51.13 | bronaugh | what about the fifth one? |
| 23:51.16 | ax-ax | i get the point of backing up, but in theory, is there no chance of my harddrive still working for a while? |
| 23:51.24 | project2501a | bronaugh: only 4 hds on the nas |
| 23:51.29 | bronaugh | ax-ax: it may work, but no guarantees on reliability. |
| 23:51.31 | krisfremen | oh.. indeed, i forgot i had a bind on that key dang |
| 23:51.32 | bronaugh | project2501a: ah gotcha |
| 23:51.43 | project2501a | ax-ax: and you will regret if you keep using it, cuz you are going to lose work. |
| 23:52.22 | krt_ | hard drives die |
| 23:52.26 | krt_ | -shrug- |
| 23:52.32 | thewanderer1 | yes, especially when they are dropped |
| 23:52.51 | bronaugh | mishandling of drives in transit also results in much higher failure rates. |
| 23:52.52 | krt_ | or when you go on a two week vacation |
| 23:52.57 | krt_ | they will die the day before you get back |
| 23:53.08 | thewanderer1 | type "There I fixed it" into google, press "I'm feeling lucky" and you get a good approximation of how stable your drive is now |
| 23:53.22 | project2501a | brammator: i got some guy in my bioinformatics department tutting the "amazon cloud" line |
| 23:53.37 | project2501a | bronaugh: : i got some guy in my bioinformatics department tutting the "amazon cloud" line |
| 23:53.49 | bronaugh | project2501a: yeah, could be cost effective. |
| 23:53.53 | bronaugh | not going to be fast |
| 23:53.57 | project2501a | "let's use the cloud to align sequences!" |
| 23:54.02 | bronaugh | depends on needs I suppose. |
| 23:54.10 | bronaugh | oh, gotcha. |
| 23:54.14 | project2501a | bronaugh: yeah, then he came to me and said "i got 100TB in the amazon cloud. how do i get it out"? |
| 23:54.15 | bronaugh | running apps on there as well as storing crap. |
| 23:54.22 | bronaugh | lol |
| 23:54.26 | bronaugh | "slowly. very slowly" |
| 23:54.35 | project2501a | guess who's for a trip to the US? |
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| 23:54.39 | thewanderer1 | and "costly" |
| 23:55.02 | project2501a | f that. i'm shipping an SGI nas to amazon :P |
| 23:55.20 | bronaugh | haha |
| 23:55.22 | bronaugh | that too. |
| 23:55.33 | _Dave123_ | Anyone in here using Skype for Debian? |
| 23:55.40 | project2501a | _Dave123_: i do |
| 23:55.41 | omajgat | Hello, how can i enable Turbo Boost on my server? I was used 'i7z', and show me: 'TURBO DISABLED on 4 Cores, Hyper Threading ON.' |
| 23:55.48 | _Dave123_ | I just downloaded it, but I get a .deb file that I cannot extract |
| 23:55.51 | _Dave123_ | how does this work? |
| 23:55.58 | bronaugh | dpkg -i <file> |
| 23:55.58 | dpkg | installs <file> into bronaugh's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 23:56.05 | bronaugh | thanks, dpkg |
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| 23:56.56 | omajgat | Its only possible via Bios, or is self activated with high usage cpu? |
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| 23:58.32 | krt_ | omaj: it must be enabled in the BIOS and supported by the OS |
| 23:58.46 | bronaugh | what's status on linux? |
| 23:59.49 | krt_ | uh, it should work |
| 23:59.54 | krt_ | not that I have one to play with |