| 00:00.09 | krt_ | so really, none of you do apt-get update and bonk into an ipv6 source? |
| 00:00.17 | krt_ | (without having a working ipv6 link to the interwebs) |
| 00:00.22 | krt_ | that bugs the crap out of me |
| 00:00.33 | krt_ | apt-get update... watch it timeout on ipv6 links, then go on |
| 00:00.45 | krt_ | I need ipv6 working on my box, so I can't just disable ipv6 entirely |
| 00:00.57 | krt_ | which is how -every- guide seems to be written for fixing the apt-get update problem |
| 00:01.01 | krt_ | which is, to say the least, annoying. |
| 00:01.04 | bronaugh | (wish I could help, but no idea) |
| 00:03.12 | krisfremen | is there a way to tell aptitude to redownload packages? and reinstall them? |
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| 00:03.40 | bronaugh | aptitude clean; aptitude install --reinstall <package> |
| 00:03.40 | bronaugh | guessing. |
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| 00:03.44 | bronaugh | that's apt-get syntax. |
| 00:03.58 | krisfremen | well, i want to reinstall a whole branch |
| 00:04.03 | krisfremen | like the devel installed branch |
| 00:04.06 | ax-ax | aptitude reinstall? |
| 00:04.40 | Bevo | hey all, if i have a server with packages x y and z available for upgrade and i want to only upgrade z, you can just do apt-get install z to upgrade it....however if this package is a dep then that will set the package to manually installed....does anyone know a way around this? |
| 00:04.41 | simonrvn | aptitude reinstall foo bar baz |
| 00:04.49 | ax-ax | i'm not sure whether it redownloads the package, but aptitude reinstall package reinstalls it anyhow |
| 00:05.12 | omajgat | krt_: How can i check if is on in bios without kvm? |
| 00:05.14 | krisfremen | simonrvn: there's a lot of devel packages! |
| 00:05.30 | krisfremen | if i start doing that one by one... i'm gonna die ^.^ |
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| 00:06.47 | Palomides | what would cause this error? "W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-armel/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)" on a apt-get update |
| 00:07.43 | ax-ax | your bzip2 fails, Palomides? |
| 00:07.43 | SerajewelKS | Palomides: corrupt/incomplete download |
| 00:07.52 | ax-ax | or more extreme; a corrupt/incomplete bzip!!½ |
| 00:07.58 | ax-ax | but i don't think so |
| 00:08.01 | Palomides | my connection is generally pretty good |
| 00:08.12 | krt_ | disk space? |
| 00:08.29 | SerajewelKS | Palomides: it could also be the mirror that you hit |
| 00:08.40 | Palomides | plenty of disk space |
| 00:09.27 | moldovean | hit http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-armel/ , Packages.bz2 are there .. |
| 00:09.51 | SerajewelKS | moldovean: it may be corrupt. and you are probably hitting a completely different mirror than Palomides is. |
| 00:10.04 | SerajewelKS | http.us.debian.org is a round-robin DNS record, it resolves to a lot of different mirrors |
| 00:10.45 | exaboy | ??someone |
| 00:10.49 | exaboy | ??anyone |
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| 00:11.33 | bronaugh | ??Bueller? |
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| 00:12.37 | Palomides | heh, changing my sources.list to ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu makes it work fine |
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| 00:13.02 | Palomides | or more specifically "deb ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ lenny main" |
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| 00:15.26 | moldovean | !arm |
| 00:15.27 | dpkg | ARM is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture. Devices supported by the Debian arm port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:17.31 | project2501a | man as fast as the new fan assembly comes for this laptop i am going to dip it in graphite :| |
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| 00:18.20 | ax-ax | [ 2819.433329] end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 481587348 |
| 00:18.37 | project2501a | ax-ax: we got it. your hard drive is dying. |
| 00:18.54 | ax-ax | it's a new kind of error |
| 00:19.16 | exaboy | i love the new kind. |
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| 00:19.40 | ax-ax | and it scares me slightly how fascinated i am by this collapse of my dear computer |
| 00:20.08 | project2501a | you are a geek. get over it. |
| 00:20.18 | project2501a | soma.fm ftw |
| 00:21.07 | bronaugh | ax-ax: bad sector joy. |
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| 00:23.02 | cockroach | hey. it seems kernel-package recently (not sure when) started to generate initrds for custom kernels that make the system unbootable (i get kernel panics when i try to boot). is anyone aware of a way to disable that? |
| 00:23.13 | exaboy | who said disk space is cheap? its wonderful till it gets a bad sector and screws over the raid. |
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| 00:23.43 | krt_ | disk space is cheap. I can find a whole pile of floppies for $0.00 ;-) |
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| 00:24.31 | cockroach | (if i manually delete the initrd everything works just fine) |
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| 00:25.19 | ax-ax | well, i will try to do some e2fsck checking and such |
| 00:25.54 | krt_ | cockroach: sounds like your mapping is off or your initrd's aren't being made correctly |
| 00:26.25 | cockroach | krt_: well, i don't need an initrd at all... |
| 00:26.32 | krt_ | sounds like it |
| 00:26.39 | krt_ | initrd's can be handy :-) |
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| 00:26.59 | krt_ | hrmm |
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| 00:29.25 | cockroach | another thing (totally debian-unrelated, but i'm curious): can anyone point me to an irc channel (other than #linux-wireless) where people might know about 802.11s mesh networking stuff? |
| 00:30.48 | Tramp | maybe ##networking |
| 00:30.58 | cockroach | Tramp: thanks, i'll try |
| 00:31.07 | Tramp | yw |
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| 00:36.20 | MacGyverNL | I'm having trouble getting the Debian 5.0.5 amd64 netinst to work: The cd starts loading with the message "ISOLINUX 3.71 Debian 2008-09-06 COpyright (C) 1994-2008 H. Peter Anvin", then switches over to a blank screen, then the machine reboots. |
| 00:37.33 | MacGyverNL | The machine has an old PCI videocard about a decade old; perhaps the problem is there? |
| 00:37.34 | exaboy | MacGyverNL: lol @ the capital O in Copyright |
| 00:37.54 | MacGyverNL | Oh, typo. that capital O isn't there. |
| 00:38.31 | exaboy | ooh my bad thought it was like a typo in the package |
| 00:38.55 | exaboy | sorry mate i cant help you im just making noise |
| 00:41.43 | mainer | MacGyverNL: try xforcevesa maybe or vga=normal |
| 00:43.14 | MacGyverNL | How? |
| 00:43.27 | MacGyverNL | I don't even get to any boot options. |
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| 00:44.20 | mainer | oh hmm did you checksum iso and burn? |
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| 00:44.54 | lesterc | anyone attended day 5 of the DebConf in NYC? |
| 00:44.56 | MacGyverNL | I downloaded one ISO from the site directly, one over bittorrent. |
| 00:45.04 | MacGyverNL | Both exhibit the exact same behaviour. |
| 00:45.07 | MacGyverNL | Oh, and hey're the same. |
| 00:45.19 | MacGyverNL | Bittorrent is checked automatically. |
| 00:45.26 | MacGyverNL | So I guess you could say yes. |
| 00:45.36 | MacGyverNL | Burn verify also succeeded. |
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| 00:49.07 | mainer | yuh hmm |
| 00:49.09 | exaboy | lesterc: i wish i was there |
| 00:49.48 | lesterc | exaboy: wanna know what's the nexanta talk was about. |
| 00:49.59 | lesterc | s/what's/what/ |
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| 00:50.32 | lesterc | anyone got slids/notes for the talk? |
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| 00:51.56 | exaboy | im moving to NYC June next year |
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| 00:53.41 | moldovean | lesterc, about how nice is his debian/ubuntu/opensolaris |
| 00:54.07 | MacGyverNL | I guess I could try booting an i386 CD, see how that turns out. |
| 00:55.01 | MacGyverNL | The system Ãs amd64, though. |
| 00:56.34 | lesterc | moldovean: don't u think that's the best of both worlds? :) |
| 00:56.51 | moldovean | lesterc, guess you means nexenta ? |
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| 00:56.52 | lesterc | I mean, Debian is supposed to be kernel independent anyway. |
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| 00:57.24 | lesterc | moldovean: more like best of {debian,ubuntu,opensolaris} |
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| 00:58.09 | exaboy | but they are so different. they are all going in different paths. |
| 00:58.43 | exaboy | i hate ubuntu, i hate that people think its keeping debian alive, |
| 00:59.30 | lesterc | oh come on don't take them serious. we all have things to learn from each other. |
| 00:59.35 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.54 | cockroach | exaboy: i like ubuntu. gives me more occasions where i can say "well, on debian that just works" |
| 01:00.11 | lesterc | and spare the hate to something more important, like the oil spill and people who drives big ass 4wd in the city. |
| 01:00.14 | project2501a | ubuntu wants to be windows |
| 01:00.15 | project2501a | or macos |
| 01:00.44 | lesterc | cockroach: don't start :-) |
| 01:01.10 | cockroach | lesterc: heh, sorry |
| 01:02.07 | lesterc | seriously - this recent piece sums it up perfectly: http://blogs.computerworld.com/16651/ubuntu_vs_red_hat_who_really_contributes_the_most_to_linux |
| 01:02.27 | lesterc | may the best technology wins |
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| 01:03.32 | cockroach | lesterc: well, in all honesty, i just can't support things that are based on rpm. i guess it's usable these days, but i still have the occasional nightmare of manually copying rpms to dozens of machines whenever there were updates... :) |
| 01:04.16 | exaboy | cockroach: heh, true that. long live debian. |
| 01:04.40 | lesterc | puppet ftw guys... |
| 01:05.14 | lesterc | for the record debian was my first and still the fav distro |
| 01:05.31 | lesterc | man how time fliesâ¦. it's 10+ years now... |
| 01:05.47 | exaboy | actually mandrake was my first plunge into *nix. got out of that quick smart :) |
| 01:06.09 | jordanm | I'm sure you'd all like to move the offtopic conversation to #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:06.50 | exaboy | jordanm: i dont see anyone with an issue that needs fixing. surely a little banter never hurt |
| 01:06.54 | MacGyverNL | Meh, nope, same behaviour on the i386's. |
| 01:07.08 | cockroach | lesterc: i started with slackware and went through rpm hell until i arrived here, but yes, 10+ years sounds right... *sigh* |
| 01:07.11 | jordanm | That doesn't make being offtopic okay, take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:07.18 | exaboy | ok mate sorry. |
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| 01:07.40 | MacGyverNL | And exaboy: I actually do need an issue fixed :P |
| 01:08.19 | exaboy | yeah i know mate... it went quite for a while ;) |
| 01:08.24 | lesterc | MacGyverNL: u'll never get an answer without asking. :) |
| 01:09.57 | MacGyverNL | lesterc: Probably before you joined... |
| 01:09.59 | MacGyverNL | Sec. |
| 01:10.22 | MacGyverNL | So, I'm having trouble getting the Debian 5.0.5 amd64 netinst to work: The cd starts loading with the message "ISOLINUX 3.71 Debian 2008-09-06 Copyright (C) 1994-2008 H. Peter Anvin", then switches over to a blank screen, then the machine reboots. The i386 image exhibits the same behaviour. |
| 01:10.37 | MacGyverNL | The machine has an old PCI videocard about a decade old; perhaps the problem is there? I don't know how well Debian can handle that? |
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| 01:15.09 | lesterc | MacGyverNL: get yourself a real computer my friend.... |
| 01:15.47 | MacGyverNL | lesterc: Nonsense. If I possibly arrange it, this thing wouldn't have a graphics card *at all*. |
| 01:15.47 | lesterc | if u don't feel like forking out the $, get a cheap nas that u can hack on... |
| 01:16.06 | MacGyverNL | Since the only access will be remotely, usually. |
| 01:16.18 | MacGyverNL | Of course I'm not forking out any cash for a graphics card then. |
| 01:16.32 | MacGyverNL | I'm just using components I have still lying around. |
| 01:16.41 | lesterc | think of the dolphins! get a server that is more eco friendly. :) |
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| 01:17.01 | MacGyverNL | The server *is*, in fact, quite eco-friendly. |
| 01:17.18 | lesterc | i'm sure a nas would consume less power than a decade old machine with possibly really inefficient power supply.. |
| 01:17.23 | MacGyverNL | More so because it doesn't have a power-hungry graphics card. |
| 01:17.31 | MacGyverNL | The machine itself isn't a decade old. |
| 01:17.33 | MacGyverNL | Just the graphics. |
| 01:17.40 | MacGyverNL | The psu is even brand new. |
| 01:18.09 | MacGyverNL | So please, stop judging the hardware and tell me if you have any idea where the problem might be. If not, no harm done, but this is pointless. |
| 01:18.17 | lesterc | okay seriously - can u boot with vga=0? |
| 01:18.32 | MacGyverNL | Well, I don't even get to the kernel boot options. |
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| 01:19.25 | moldovean | MacGyverNL, change you graphic card .. |
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| 01:19.55 | lesterc | if I were put in a situation like this, I would either put the disk to a computer and install the stuff there or get the serial console working. |
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| 01:20.33 | MacGyverNL | Both options are viable; any pointers to docs about that? |
| 01:20.45 | MacGyverNL | Regarding the serial console, that is. |
| 01:20.53 | lesterc | well google is your friend MacGyverNL |
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| 01:21.14 | lesterc | check the installation manual? |
| 01:21.52 | lesterc | it's been a while since I last did this. things might have changed. |
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| 01:22.42 | MacGyverNL | Do you think that that might work even though the isolinux itself fails to boot? |
| 01:23.05 | lesterc | you go that route u will need to enable serial in your boot loader or u won't see anything to pass the right boot options to the kernel. |
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| 01:24.44 | lesterc | good point. this is why I'd normally do the install in a working computer and setup serial and stuff before moving the disk to this machine-that-i-dont-know-working-or-not |
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| 01:56.03 | MacGyverNL | lesterc: I think I'm going to go with the serial console option -- that way I can be sure that I can remove the graphics card from the system completely. |
| 01:56.41 | MacGyverNL | Though, it'll be a while before I get that working. Thanks for the help, and goodnight. |
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| 02:07.40 | bkw | Is it possible to install lenny by changing any package paths while booting a "testing" debian-installer? This because the stable installer is missing support for amd64 xen. |
| 02:08.23 | dondelelcaro | bkw: not easily; why not just use the stable installer? |
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| 02:09.31 | bkw | dondelelcaro: no xen images in amd64 |
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| 02:13.49 | nsadmin | is what you want to install, a domU in a 64b env? |
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| 02:14.53 | bkw | nsadmin: yes, I use virt-install --location=http://... and for amd64 there seem to be images missing. |
| 02:15.39 | nsadmin | so do you want amd64 kernel, or also userland? |
| 02:16.01 | Wyzard | bkw: You don't need special kernels for domU these days |
| 02:16.03 | dondelelcaro | bkw: there are images for amd64 on stable |
| 02:16.06 | Wyzard | The normal kernel should work |
| 02:16.12 | Wyzard | afaik that's true for amd64 as well |
| 02:16.21 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 02:16.58 | bkw | Missing xen: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MANIFEST Xen avail: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/MANIFEST |
| 02:17.13 | bkw | nsadmin: yes |
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| 02:18.02 | nsadmin | bkw: so you want amd64 kernel... |
| 02:18.08 | nsadmin | and which userland? |
| 02:18.23 | bkw | amd64 both installer and userland. |
| 02:18.56 | nsadmin | ok... they're saying you can almost use whatever... but let's see what they say now |
| 02:19.28 | dondelelcaro | bkw: it shouldn't matter; you should be able to install any kernel in domU |
| 02:19.40 | dondelelcaro | bkw: if virt-install is complaining, it's wrong |
| 02:19.52 | dondelelcaro | (not that it's surprising that it does complain; it's got some problems) |
| 02:20.10 | fluffymuffins | i run on debian lenny/testing with my diskless cluster and was wondering if there were a tool out there to 1.wirelessly boot a diskless client into kde with admin rights 2.have all graphics rendering be done at the client |
| 02:21.29 | dondelelcaro | fluffymuffins: you can do that, but there's no tool to do it to my knowledge; it's not something that is routinely done. |
| 02:22.51 | fluffymuffins | dondelelcaro how, exactly? modify dhcp and ftp for the static client? im new to scripting |
| 02:23.34 | bkw | dondelelcaro: virt-install gives: Starting install... Retrieving file MANIFEST... ERROR Couldn't find xen kernel for Debian tree. This when: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/ is used. |
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| 02:24.13 | dondelelcaro | bkw: there should be an option to ignore the missing xen kernel |
| 02:24.26 | dondelelcaro | though I personally use kvm, not xen on all of my amd64 machines... |
| 02:25.09 | dondelelcaro | fluffymuffins: you boot the client using dhcp, tftp, and then nfs or some other network filesystem; there are howtos on how to do it |
| 02:25.10 | bkw | uhm, sounds strange to ignore the kernel it is going to boot? |
| 02:25.27 | dondelelcaro | bkw: you should be able to specify that it use the non-xen kernel |
| 02:25.42 | dondelelcaro | if not, it's a bug in virt-install; probably one of many |
| 02:25.45 | bkw | ok, I will check more in the virt-install man |
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| 02:26.31 | fluffymuffins | dondelcaro, not finding anything on google, that is why i came here. |
| 02:27.19 | dondelelcaro | fluffymuffins: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 for example |
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| 02:29.44 | bkw | dondelelcaro: http://linux.die.net/man/1/virt-install is it the --arch= or --extra-args= you are thinking of? |
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| 02:29.46 | nsadmin | I recently backported some of the grub2 packages from sit to lenny, they seem to work... but, I don't know what to do with grub-mkrescue anymore, what do you feed to it? |
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| 02:34.51 | psycho789 | is debian better for older systems than ubuntu. |
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| 02:37.31 | nsadmin | psycho789, what's a "better"? |
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| 02:38.52 | Sereph | is debian the best to build up by yourself? |
| 02:39.01 | Sereph | unlike ubuntu which if you change stuff it breaks |
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| 02:39.31 | nsadmin | depends on what you mean by "best" and "change stuff" |
| 02:39.32 | jordanm | psycho789: depending on your choices of software, a big yes |
| 02:40.30 | Sereph | nsadmin: can I change things without backlash by the OS |
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| 02:45.32 | ShadeS | hey this is apt-get land right? |
| 02:45.46 | ShadeS | if I want to check to see if something is installed i apt-get -s apache ? |
| 02:46.00 | ShadeS | i guess not |
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| 02:47.45 | psycho789 | nsadmin, well I tried installing ubuntu on my 2004 dell but it's not working for some reason. ive used the disc before on other systems. im just wondering if i should just burn and try installing debian instead |
| 02:48.02 | ShadeS | I see install/remove but I don't see the option to search.... |
| 02:48.15 | kermit | ShadeS: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 02:49.09 | ShadeS | and apt-get doesn't offer such functionality? |
| 02:49.11 | ShadeS | I have to use dpkg? |
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| 02:51.20 | ShadeS | ok |
| 02:51.26 | ShadeS | well apparently a webserver is already installed |
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| 03:08.01 | something15525 | okay so i'm having a problem with running a game on wine. i've figured out that wine is saying that Direct rendering is disabled. i'm pretty sure it enabled. can i get some help? |
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| 03:10.54 | sahal | i'm getting packages held back using lenny, why is this? |
| 03:12.03 | JairunCaloth | odd... TRIM doesn't seem to be working |
| 03:13.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell sahal -about held back |
| 03:13.22 | sahal | what exactly does apt-get dist-upgrade do? |
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| 03:13.32 | something15525 | lost my connections |
| 03:13.40 | something15525 | anybody care to help? |
| 03:13.44 | dondelelcaro | sahal: the manpage explains it pretty well; but feel free to ask if you don't understand it |
| 03:15.18 | sahal | the main question i have probably has no absolute answer |
| 03:15.31 | sahal | will my system break if i run dist-upgrade? |
| 03:15.45 | dondelelcaro | sahal: generally, no. |
| 03:16.44 | sahal | also, how do i loop around searches in a man page? how do i search from the top again without typing in the query again? |
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| 03:17.43 | peekay | how can i prevent wlan0 from disconnecting automatically every few hours? |
| 03:18.05 | kermit | peekay: is it an intel card? i never got mine to stop doing that |
| 03:18.32 | dondelelcaro | sahal: that's a function of your pager |
| 03:18.49 | peekay | it's a atheros (ath9k) |
| 03:18.54 | dondelelcaro | sahal: assuming you're using less, g will take you the top |
| 03:19.02 | peekay | every few hours of idle makes it disconnect |
| 03:19.03 | sahal | how do i check which pager man is using? |
| 03:19.17 | sahal | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks awesome. |
| 03:19.34 | dondelelcaro | sahal: if you have less installed, that's the default. hitting h will tell you more if you're using less |
| 03:20.00 | sahal | dondelelcaro: you're right, i'm using less. and thank you for all the help |
| 03:20.03 | jordanm | sahal: if you do not have a PAGER var definied, it is /usr/bin/pager |
| 03:20.27 | jordanm | sahal: this is handled by update-alternatives |
| 03:21.05 | sahal | jordanm: all roads lead me to less. thank you |
| 03:21.20 | jordanm | uses /usr/bin/most, which gives a nicer appearence but is slower than less and lacks regex search |
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| 03:22.41 | sahal | luckily i don't have most installed |
| 03:22.41 | JonathanYC | Hello! :D Does anyone here know about how apt identifies newer version numbers for unusual things like firefox nightly builds? |
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| 03:23.27 | jordanm | JonathanYC: debian does not have firefox nightly builds. sure you are not using ubuntu, or ubuntu repositories? |
| 03:23.40 | JonathanYC | jordanm: That was just an example |
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| 03:23.57 | jordanm | JonathanYC: well, your example does not apply to debian |
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| 03:25.08 | JonathanYC | jordanm: So debian does not use apt? :/ |
| 03:25.50 | jordanm | JonathanYC: debian does not have any kind of nightly builds, or firefox |
| 03:26.04 | JonathanYC | But debian has apt. I was asking how apt parses version numbers. |
| 03:26.08 | JonathanYC | handles* version numbers. |
| 03:26.17 | JonathanYC | There need not be a nightly build for that to be important |
| 03:26.23 | JonathanYC | Again, it was an _example_. |
| 03:26.45 | something15525 | hi peoples |
| 03:26.59 | something15525 | i has a questions |
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| 03:27.39 | something15525 | so i'm trying to run a game in wine, and i found out tha problem is that Direct rendering is disabled. i thought it was enabled already, can i get some help |
| 03:29.06 | jordanm | something15525: what version of debian? what card? which driver are you using/attempting to use? |
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| 03:29.33 | something15525 | jordanm: debian squeeze. intel card, hold on a sec i'll get the infos |
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| 03:30.32 | something15525 | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/ncj5X6VY |
| 03:30.39 | something15525 | jordanm: thats the driver info? |
| 03:30.57 | nsadmin | something15525: to save time next time... collect "infos" into a file you can hand out, prepare in this way before joining channel, ask basic question, provide link to file |
| 03:31.56 | something15525 | nsadmin: kays |
| 03:31.59 | something15525 | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/SMf5KuqE |
| 03:32.04 | something15525 | jordanm: card |
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| 03:34.29 | something15525 | cools |
| 03:39.07 | something15525 | pwejfapo |
| 03:39.08 | something15525 | oops srys |
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| 03:39.24 | something15525 | jordanm: did you get my links |
| 03:39.59 | JairunCaloth | huh... |
| 03:40.05 | JairunCaloth | slim is running yet no X |
| 03:40.18 | JairunCaloth | yay no screens found |
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| 03:44.46 | something15525 | jordanm: you there?? |
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| 03:46.03 | something15525 | guess not. time for a repost |
| 03:46.23 | JairunCaloth | debian seems to have lost my nvidia driver |
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| 03:48.31 | nsadmin | something15525, NOW would be a good time to collect everything you know so far about the problem into a file. |
| 03:48.36 | something15525 | nsadmin: yep |
| 03:48.36 | nsadmin | THEN repost |
| 03:49.21 | nsadmin | irc is -really- not the best media for support... |
| 03:49.27 | KINgGh0sT | I recently did an apt-get upgrade and well it updated my kernel, and I suppose when grub-update ran now my grub is no longer working. I now get the error "Error: You need to load the kernel first" Any idea how to fix this? Right now I am on a live cd of ubuntu. |
| 03:49.50 | something15525 | nsadmin: whats a better support medium lol |
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| 03:52.51 | nsadmin | something where helpee is led to a room and allowed to stay for a specific number of seconds, then describe the problem (prepared in a file), give your history with it (prepared in a file) stating everything you did, and for each, what did you expect and what was the actual result incl. exact text of all commands and feedback |
| 03:53.21 | something15525 | i'm using wine to try and run a game, and have been getting problems. i found out that it's reporting that Direct rendering is not enabled. here is my driver information and my card info: http://pastebin.com/Z1KucA1x Thanks for the help in advance |
| 03:53.45 | something15525 | nsadmin: that sounds pretty helpful |
| 03:54.02 | nsadmin | once they have the description, you're forwarded to another channel to await the result |
| 03:54.08 | something15525 | yeps |
| 03:55.10 | nsadmin | the person's paypal info would be on file in case the request is off topic or trolling |
| 03:55.17 | nsadmin | the latter woudl be EXPENSIVE |
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| 03:58.07 | something15525 | is anybody alive? |
| 03:58.54 | nsadmin | direct rendering? they probably need your x log |
| 03:59.14 | something15525 | nsadmin: can you help me? |
| 03:59.34 | something15525 | nsadmin: lol wheres my x log |
| 04:00.22 | nsadmin | where are the rest of your logs? |
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| 04:01.38 | something15525 | nsadmin: no ideas? |
| 04:01.44 | nsadmin | (you may have noticed... I'm not doing everything for you :P |
| 04:01.45 | something15525 | nsadmin: /var/log |
| 04:01.50 | something15525 | right? |
| 04:01.57 | nsadmin | is it? |
| 04:02.30 | something15525 | nsadmin: yep |
| 04:02.34 | something15525 | Xorg.0.log |
| 04:02.43 | nsadmin | so they might want that. |
| 04:02.56 | nsadmin | did you just notice... |
| 04:03.20 | something15525 | what? |
| 04:03.39 | JairunCaloth | anyone around that is familiar with SSDs? |
| 04:03.46 | nsadmin | that by REFUSING to do everything for you... forces you to check yourself,,, results: you just learned two things: how to learn more... where a lot of your logs are... |
| 04:03.57 | JairunCaloth | I'm trying to figure out why TRIM doesn't seem to be working |
| 04:04.04 | something15525 | nsadmin: lol |
| 04:04.28 | KINgGh0sT | argh I can't even get grub to find it's self... |
| 04:04.29 | nsadmin | I require that you're awake and alive to be workign with me... |
| 04:04.36 | something15525 | okay |
| 04:04.45 | something15525 | so can you help me with my problem? |
| 04:05.02 | something15525 | heres the Xorg log http://pastebin.com/ANNqArDu |
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| 04:05.34 | nsadmin | at the moment I'm pondering wandering to the store to buy more |
| 04:05.50 | something15525 | nsadmin: to buy more what? |
| 04:05.55 | theholder | Ho could someone tell me what would be the best program for clustering debain server please? |
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| 04:06.03 | nsadmin | hmm, good question... |
| 04:06.15 | something15525 | just buy evertying |
| 04:06.17 | zebradog | theholder, google wikipedia debian cluster |
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| 04:06.18 | nsadmin | more speedy turtle food |
| 04:06.27 | theholder | thanks zebradog |
| 04:06.29 | appye | allright! I finally got testing up and running on my netbook. I had to go with a daily build to get things installed via usb. |
| 04:06.29 | something15525 | nsadmin: ur a speedy turtle? |
| 04:06.44 | nsadmin | no, I have to walk mine |
| 04:06.45 | something15525 | appye: yays! i'm on squeeze on an eeepc 1005pe as well |
| 04:06.48 | KINgGh0sT | nsadmin, I'm alive and awake... Can you help me fix my grub install? |
| 04:06.55 | something15525 | nsadmin: oh |
| 04:07.21 | something15525 | anyway, i swear i already enabled DRI, but wine says its not installed |
| 04:07.24 | zebradog | theholder, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_%28computing%29 |
| 04:07.25 | something15525 | enabled* |
| 04:08.15 | nsadmin | look thru your x log |
| 04:08.16 | appye | anyway ... I wanted to now try my hand with stable (lenny) on this machine with some backports. The only thing for me is that ext4 is a must. |
| 04:08.16 | pab | Hello. Does Debian handle Tomcat differently than other distros? I'm trying to narrow down my search. Thank you. |
| 04:08.26 | something15525 | nsadmin: its a matter of whether or not my direct rendering is enabled or not, whats the command to see that |
| 04:08.32 | nsadmin | so you would need a kernel that supports ext4 (as well as userland progs as needed for handling ext4) |
| 04:08.34 | something15525 | nsadmin: please |
| 04:08.46 | nsadmin | look thru your x log |
| 04:08.51 | jordanm | pab: if it does, it should be documented in /usr/share/doc/<tomcat pacakge>/README.Debian |
| 04:09.17 | jordanm | appye: why is that a "must"? |
| 04:09.18 | something15525 | nsadmin: ohkays |
| 04:09.23 | appye | I have a huge /home partition that I want to have remain ext4, so I figure I can install stable on an ext3 root partition, enable backports to get a kernel with officialext4 and then mount the ext4 partition as /home. |
| 04:09.33 | pab | jordanm: Thank you. I'm off again lol |
| 04:09.48 | jordanm | appye: yes, you will have kernel, support but, not nescisarrily userspace support |
| 04:09.49 | something15525 | (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled |
| 04:09.49 | appye | jordanm: I really don't want to move the data off of it right now. |
| 04:10.06 | appye | jordanm: userspace? |
| 04:10.09 | nsadmin | appye: you'd also need to add the users |
| 04:10.15 | jordanm | appye: e2fsutils |
| 04:10.25 | something15525 | nsadmin: why would wine say it wasn't if the Xorg log says it is enabled |
| 04:10.34 | something15525 | nsadmin: (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled |
| 04:10.42 | nsadmin | dunno. try running glxgears |
| 04:11.05 | something15525 | nsadmin: runs fine |
| 04:11.19 | nsadmin | try running glxinfo |
| 04:11.23 | appye | Jordanm those would not come in with backports, huh? i did not think abotu that.. |
| 04:11.29 | nsadmin | look thru its output |
| 04:11.43 | nsadmin | must... get... turtle food... |
| 04:11.57 | jordanm | ,versions e2fsprogs |
| 04:12.00 | something15525 | glxinfo | grep direct gives me: direct rendering: enabled |
| 04:12.01 | judd | e2fsprogs -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; lenny: 1.41.3-1; sid: 1.41.12-2; squeeze: 1.41.12-2 |
| 04:12.12 | something15525 | sorry, direct rendering: Yes |
| 04:12.30 | jordanm | appye: could still be fine, have not tried. the kmuto installer supports ext4 for non-root partitions |
| 04:12.36 | nsadmin | ok, so much for the driver. do you have the appropriate libs installed? |
| 04:12.41 | jordanm | !tell appye about kmuto |
| 04:12.49 | something15525 | nsadmin: libs? |
| 04:13.03 | nsadmin | and I don't know which libs exactly, mesagl maybe |
| 04:13.26 | something15525 | nsadmin: in apt? lemme check |
| 04:14.03 | theholder | rb] |
| 04:14.07 | theholder | thanks |
| 04:14.11 | theholder | for your help all |
| 04:14.11 | theholder | :) |
| 04:14.15 | nsadmin | anyway.. I'm off to walk muh turtle... my cool lil turtle of mine... |
| 04:14.33 | something15525 | nsadmin: arrgh. i'm checking aptitude, found two packages: libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx, both installd |
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| 04:16.00 | something15525 | jordanm: ur back, wanna help me with my problem? |
| 04:16.29 | jordanm | something15525: sorry, the wifi died at my hotel and I had to walk to a local bar. what was your problem? |
| 04:17.09 | something15525 | jordanm: i'm using wine to try and run a game, and have been getting problems. i found out that it's reporting that Direct rendering is not enabled. here is my driver information and my card info: http://pastebin.com/Z1KucA1x Thanks for the help in advance |
| 04:17.31 | JairunCaloth | is /etc/apt/prefrences the prefered way to mix branches? |
| 04:17.41 | something15525 | jordanm: already did glxinfo | grep direct, and got: Direct rendering: Yes |
| 04:17.57 | jordanm | something15525: ah, I am mostly an nvidia guy. things should "just work" with intel, so I am really not sure |
| 04:18.09 | lesterc | JairunCaloth: mixing releases will never be preferred. :) |
| 04:18.18 | something15525 | jordanm: i am as well, this netbook has intel though D: |
| 04:18.22 | JairunCaloth | lesterc: much better then building from source... |
| 04:18.28 | something15525 | jordanm: any ideas? |
| 04:18.33 | jordanm | something15525: if it is a newer intel card, i hate to say it, but squeeze could be the answer |
| 04:18.46 | something15525 | jordanm: i'm on squeeze, cause i'm on a netbook |
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| 04:19.08 | jordanm | something15525: how old is ythe netbook? |
| 04:19.27 | something15525 | jordanm: new, eeepc 1005pe |
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| 04:19.38 | appye | something15525: you were unable to get your netbook working right on lenny? I was about to try this... |
| 04:19.40 | lesterc | JairunCaloth: I'd go all in - run unstable. :) |
| 04:19.46 | jordanm | something15525: feeling bold? :p |
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| 04:19.50 | something15525 | appye: just went with squeeze |
| 04:19.53 | something15525 | jordanm: why? |
| 04:20.03 | K|NgGh0sT | I tried the grub fixmbr thats on the bot and it didn't work... |
| 04:20.23 | appye | something15525: did you install directly to squeeze or did you go stable and then upgrade |
| 04:20.25 | appye | ? |
| 04:20.32 | jordanm | something15525: try xserver-xorg-video-intel from experimental. it is likely the diver squeeze will ship with |
| 04:20.36 | something15525 | appye: directly |
| 04:20.39 | JairunCaloth | lesterc: Tried that, had a huge host of problems and acctually turned me off on debian for a while. |
| 04:21.08 | jordanm | something15525: if you are inexperienced with debian, get it from packages.debian.org, don't add experiemental to your sources |
| 04:21.40 | something15525 | jordanm: than isn't that the driver i have installed right now? |
| 04:21.47 | jordanm | something15525: if things break totally, reinstall the old driver from /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 04:22.21 | jordanm | something15525: not unless you specifically installed experimental drivers |
| 04:22.33 | something15525 | jordanm: no i didn't |
| 04:22.45 | something15525 | jordanm: kyle bocian is a nice person |
| 04:22.59 | jordanm | something15525: I don't know who that is |
| 04:23.08 | appye | is it possible to create launchers that will launch remmina and with the desired remote desktop file? |
| 04:23.09 | something15525 | jordanm: he just wanted me to tell you |
| 04:23.22 | something15525 | jordanm: anyway, this is annoying |
| 04:23.29 | something15525 | jordanm: freaking intel |
| 04:24.17 | jordanm | something15525: intel made quite a few changes with their most recent drivers, but typically do a good job of linux support. the problem is tha tthe xorg team expected squeeze to freeze long ago |
| 04:25.06 | something15525 | jordanm: i'm feeling reallly lazy |
| 04:25.42 | jordanm | something15525: I can't help lazy |
| 04:26.21 | something15525 | jordanm: i'll come back later |
| 04:26.23 | something15525 | byes |
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| 04:29.38 | K|NgGh0sT | I am following the commands on the bot for fixmbr and well I get this http://pastebin.com/S81EcZbR when I do the update-grub && grub-install command... |
| 04:29.45 | K|NgGh0sT | then I can't get grub-install to work... |
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| 04:30.48 | K|NgGh0sT | it runs the commands ot |
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| 04:31.00 | K|NgGh0sT | it's suppose to, but it does not change grub.cfg at all |
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| 04:32.07 | lesterc | K|NgGh0sT: i thought u run update-grub to update the .cfg file? |
| 04:32.23 | jordanm | K|NgGh0sT: whayt version of debian? have you manually edited grub.cfg? |
| 04:32.35 | jordanm | lesterc: you do, which he mentioned |
| 04:32.46 | K|NgGh0sT | Lenny, and yes I did manually edit it now... |
| 04:33.01 | jordanm | K|NgGh0sT: you ar eusing grub2 in lenny??? |
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| 04:33.13 | something15525 | okay lemme try this differently |
| 04:33.18 | jordanm | sorry, about typos, I am getting a lot of shell lag |
| 04:33.20 | K|NgGh0sT | I would assume so, because it used to have a background image, and now it does not |
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| 04:33.28 | lesterc | wonders of grub-install overwrites grub.cfg created by update-grub |
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| 04:33.36 | something15525 | heres the output from wine, anybody know what the problem is? http://pastebin.com/7gHUwbRw |
| 04:33.37 | jordanm | lesterc: no |
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| 04:34.02 | jordanm | something15525: I don't think you will do better than my recommendation |
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| 04:34.49 | something15525 | jordanm: not feeling adventurous |
| 04:35.46 | K|NgGh0sT | jordanm, any idea? |
| 04:35.47 | jordanm | something15525: honestly, if you want it work, I don't think you have a choice. if it makes you feel better, I am using those drivers |
| 04:35.49 | lesterc | jordanm: I stand corrected. |
| 04:35.49 | smv | K|NgGh0sT, don't edit grub.cfg. Instead edit /etc/default/grub |
| 04:36.02 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, is it not too late now? |
| 04:36.27 | smv | Why so? What exactly you're trying to do? |
| 04:36.34 | something15525 | jordanm: what are the chances that thats trying to fix my problem? |
| 04:36.41 | jordanm | K|NgGh0sT: manual edit of grub.cfg will likely cause update-grub to do nothing, hence the DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE at the top |
| 04:37.17 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, I rebooted after and apt-get upgrade and then I lost grub, it just gave the error "Error: you need to load the kernel first" |
| 04:37.20 | jordanm | something15525: my guess, 60% |
| 04:37.40 | smv | k|update-grub also overwrites any changes done to grub.cfg |
| 04:38.01 | smv | err, i meant K|NgGh0sT |
| 04:38.09 | something15525 | jordanm: okay how would i go about installing these drivers? |
| 04:38.27 | jordanm | smv: with grub-legacy, ity will touch menu.list if you have edited the generated section. I only assume the same for grub-pc |
| 04:39.04 | jordanm | something15525: which arch? |
| 04:39.20 | something15525 | jordanm: amd64 |
| 04:39.47 | jordanm | something15525: install with dpkg -i: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-intel/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.12.0-1_amd64.deb |
| 04:39.47 | smv | K|NgGh0sT, should i assume you've booted of a live cd now? can you paste the grub.cfg? |
| 04:39.51 | K|NgGh0sT | jordanm, how can I check what version of grub is being used |
| 04:39.58 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, ya I am on a ubuntu live cd |
| 04:40.00 | JairunCaloth | :/ pinning isn't working |
| 04:40.12 | smv | K|NgGh0sT, aptitude show grub-pc |
| 04:40.21 | jordanm | K|NgGh0sT: apt-cache policy grub-pc grub-legacy grub |
| 04:40.22 | smv | considering you run this in a chroot |
| 04:40.28 | something15525 | jordanm: wheres the package to intalls? |
| 04:40.39 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, yes I chroo'd it to my debian install |
| 04:40.40 | jordanm | something15525: I just linked it? |
| 04:41.31 | something15525 | jordanm: ohs lol |
| 04:41.44 | smv | K|NgGh0sT, alright. please pastebin grub.cfg |
| 04:41.52 | something15525 | jordanm: than restart gdm? |
| 04:41.56 | jordanm | is down to 6% battery and will have to walk 12 more blocks for more internet |
| 04:42.18 | something15525 | jordanm: help fast lols |
| 04:42.21 | jordanm | something15525: yes |
| 04:42.29 | something15525 | and if it breaks? |
| 04:42.32 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, http://pastebin.com/itSL07KW |
| 04:42.49 | jordanm | something15525: just remember, the old driver .deb is on your sysgtem if things go wrong! |
| 04:43.00 | something15525 | jordanm: where on the system? |
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| 04:43.20 | jordanm | something15525: iirc /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:43.27 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, I am gonna reboot I think i may of got it now.. |
| 04:43.32 | K|NgGh0sT | give me a few please |
| 04:43.36 | smv | K|NgGh0sT, like 24 and 29 are incorect. |
| 04:43.43 | smv | it won't boot. |
| 04:43.50 | something15525 | jordanm: and whats the name of the package? |
| 04:44.13 | jordanm | something15525: xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 04:44.25 | jordanm | <version> |
| 04:44.48 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, I got update-grub to work I think. that file has changed now.. |
| 04:45.13 | smv | can you paste it again? |
| 04:45.22 | something15525 | jordanm: that package isn't there? |
| 04:45.31 | jordanm | something15525: if it does work, please email debian-x , letting them know that it worked with exprerimental and not with squeeze, with lspci -nn line for your card |
| 04:46.01 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, I put the new cfg in http://pastebin.com/z7Ms4j2T |
| 04:46.07 | something15525 | jordanm: that package u mentioned is not there |
| 04:46.46 | jordanm | something15525: /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2%3a2.9.1-4_amd64.deb |
| 04:46.48 | K|NgGh0sT | brb smv |
| 04:46.49 | smv | K|NgGh0sT, i think it's ok now. can't check as i'm using sid. |
| 04:47.52 | something15525 | xserver-xorg-video-sis_1%3a0.10.3-1_amd64.deb |
| 04:47.58 | something15525 | thats what i've got |
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| 04:49.01 | SteveBJobs | Come buy my "new" and "revoloutionary" software! |
| 04:49.02 | jordanm | something15525: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to make sure you are using intel drivers |
| 04:49.30 | something15525 | SPAMMER |
| 04:49.58 | jordanm | something15525: not a spammer until a link is posted :) |
| 04:50.07 | something15525 | jordanm: lols |
| 04:50.28 | jordanm | alright, walking to next location |
| 04:50.34 | something15525 | arghs |
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| 04:51.52 | gryllida | can screen list the open windows in a bottom line? |
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| 04:53.13 | zebradog | gryllida, not sure on what you mean bottom line.. (ctl-a, '"' can show sessions < if thats what you mean) |
| 04:53.17 | K|NgGh0sT | smv, it worked. Looks like grub was installed untop of grub-pc so that is why it got all messed up. Once I reinstalled grub-pc and update-grub it worked |
| 04:53.21 | K|NgGh0sT | Thank you very much |
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| 04:54.19 | something15525 | jordanm: its loading three drivers: intel, vesa, and fbdev |
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| 04:56.10 | gryllida | zebradog, well can it have a bottom line with window list, always visible? |
| 04:57.00 | zebradog | gryllida, i'm not sure.. but i bet you can.. #screen gurus must be active |
| 04:57.14 | gryllida | not much |
| 04:57.24 | Bendbanks | hi just done a lamp install and all services are running but can not pull up index.html or even a page i created called test.php, phpmyadmin pulls up, what have i missed in apache2?anythoughts |
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| 04:58.15 | something15525 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 04:58.43 | JairunCaloth | gryllida: gentoo's wiki has an excellent tutorial on screen |
| 04:58.59 | JairunCaloth | which includes setting up a cool status line |
| 04:59.42 | gryllida | oh |
| 04:59.56 | gryllida | something15525, BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB :P how are you? |
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| 05:00.33 | JairunCaloth | so, how bad will things break if I install the kernel from unstable in a testing system? |
| 05:00.34 | something15525 | gryllida: angry that i can't get this freaking game workings |
| 05:00.51 | gryllida | ah |
| 05:01.05 | something15525 | CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC |
| 05:01.08 | gryllida | grr but keep struggling |
| 05:01.11 | gnarface | something15525: starcraft2 through wine on amd64 hardware? |
| 05:01.24 | JairunCaloth | worked out of the box basicly for me |
| 05:01.33 | something15525 | gnarface: no, The Lord of the Rings Online through wine on amd64 hardware |
| 05:01.40 | JairunCaloth | oh yeah... |
| 05:01.43 | JairunCaloth | gave up on that one |
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| 05:01.48 | something15525 | gnarface: the thing is, its a netbook, i was a little desperate |
| 05:02.02 | something15525 | JairunCaloth: u tried LOTRO? |
| 05:02.16 | something15525 | JairunCaloth: i'm getting game error 128 about direct rendering not being enabled |
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| 05:02.27 | something15525 | and on glxinfo it says it is |
| 05:02.36 | hdtdi | hi guys i have a problem with my keyboard layouts.. enable xkb options ctrl+alt combination for changing my layout but when i click apply and nothing happens when i click ctrl+alt the layout doesnt change |
| 05:03.08 | gnarface | something15525: did you try the latest wine 1.2 from git? |
| 05:03.31 | JairunCaloth | something15525: no idea man, never got mine working |
| 05:03.51 | something15525 | gnarface: umm, where do it get that |
| 05:03.53 | something15525 | i* |
| 05:04.00 | gnarface | something15525: winehq.org |
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| 05:04.50 | appye | !kmuto |
| 05:04.50 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 05:05.08 | gnarface | kmuto! that's the word i was trying to remember last night |
| 05:06.10 | smv | something15525, are you sure that the error isn't related to some direct3d/directx thing? |
| 05:06.24 | something15525 | smv: ya it is, but i don't know how to fix it |
| 05:06.51 | gnarface | wine isn't so great about supporting everything your native hardware supports |
| 05:07.03 | gnarface | that doesn't mean a newer version won't fix it though |
| 05:07.11 | gnarface | sometimes an older version fixes it too |
| 05:08.03 | gnarface | and it doesn't seem like amd64 is always on their radar |
| 05:08.20 | something15525 | ahs |
| 05:08.22 | smv | i didn't got it working either, tried for another game, but i know that there is winetricks something, that could help installing directx and some other stuff |
| 05:08.57 | gnarface | right now i wish debian had a 32-bit compatible openal library in ia32-libs, and it boggles my mind that it does not |
| 05:09.02 | something15525 | gnarface: the latest version for squeeze is 1.1.42 which is what i have |
| 05:09.08 | zebradog | smv, urban terror is on linux. Now go download it and shoot. |
| 05:09.29 | something15525 | smv: already did that |
| 05:09.53 | gnarface | something15525: all i know for sure about 1.1.42 is that it broke games that worked for me all the way back in 1.0.1. i'd get the 1.2.x source and compile it directly. good luck finding 32-bit openal libraries for debian though :( |
| 05:10.18 | smv | zebradog, i wanted perfectworld |
| 05:13.08 | gnarface | something15525: and if you DO find a decent set of 32-bit compatibility libs for amd64 that satisfy all of wine 1.2's optional dependencies - let me know. cause starcraft 2 doesn't seem to see anything "optional" about them. |
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| 05:13.44 | something15525 | gnarface: okay four choices: 1.0.1-3, 1.1.40-winehq1-1, 1.1.41-winehq1-1, 1.1.42-winehq1-1 |
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| 05:15.04 | gnarface | something15525: all bad. you'd be better off with the 1.0.1 that's in the debian repositories. source here: http://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/system/emulators/wine/wine-1.2.tar.bz2 or here: http://wiki.winehq.org/GitWine |
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| 05:15.41 | something15525 | gnarface: that first one is the debian one: 1.0.1-3 |
| 05:15.44 | gnarface | something15525: i'd assume the first link is 1.2 and the second one might get you post 1.2 versions |
| 05:16.01 | gnarface | oh, yes, you're right. couldn't hurt to give it a spin. |
| 05:16.12 | something15525 | gnarface: okay and if not try the 1.2 version? |
| 05:16.16 | gnarface | yea |
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| 05:16.54 | gnarface | i couldn't get world of warcraft working with 1.1.42, but 1.0.1 worked GREAT actually, with the -opengl flag. 1.1.42 also broke a bunch of my older games, like TA: Kingdoms and stuff |
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| 05:17.42 | gnarface | i'm led to believe people on 32-bit hardware have a different experience with 1.1.42 - the amd64 one seems to be missing some "optional" dependencies |
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| 05:22.34 | BadMrsFrosty | Anyone ever heard of Flex/Bison? I need to know how to build flex++.exe and bison++.exe under Cygwin. |
| 05:23.24 | gnarface | i've heard of them but i can't help you with them |
| 05:23.46 | gnarface | they're a pretty standard component of linux distros these days |
| 05:24.31 | BadMrsFrosty | Apparently flex.exe and flex++.exe build by default on Linux but not on Cygwin (Windows). |
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| 05:24.48 | BadMrsFrosty | I may have come to a wrong room but maybe someone has some pointers anyway. |
| 05:25.46 | gnarface | well first of all, on linux nothing is .exe, and second of all on linux you almost never have to build them, as the binary copies are already installed for you as part of the development tools. |
| 05:26.05 | shogunx | there are probably binaries for cygwin too. |
| 05:26.10 | gnarface | one would think |
| 05:26.12 | BadMrsFrosty | I know they are not .exe but I don't know what they are. |
| 05:26.16 | BadMrsFrosty | Yes, but not flex++. |
| 05:26.21 | Edavis` | How would I go abut changing FD_SETSIZE? I'm running a Debian VPS on Xen |
| 05:26.25 | BadMrsFrosty | Only flex is in binary form in Cygwin. |
| 05:26.30 | appye | these kmuto installers will work with the released lenny as well okay? I ask because they seeem to be pretty old... dec '09 |
| 05:26.43 | shogunx | well, get some source, and start 'make'ing |
| 05:26.48 | gnarface | BadMrsFrosty: you might want to see if cygwin has an irc channel. this is #debian. we hate windows here |
| 05:26.57 | shogunx | this is true |
| 05:27.00 | shogunx | we do hate windows. |
| 05:27.04 | BadMrsFrosty | So I went to the Flex site and rebuilt the full Flex package and nothing about flex++. |
| 05:27.27 | gnarface | BadMrsFrosty: i've got the perfect solution for your problem! |
| 05:27.47 | shogunx | gnarface, http://goodbye-windows.com? |
| 05:27.51 | gnarface | appye: once you get it installed make sure you update |
| 05:28.00 | BadMrsFrosty | is not an idiot. |
| 05:28.07 | gnarface | :) |
| 05:28.16 | Edavis` | Is there a way to change FD_SETSIZE if I'm running a Debian VPS on Xen? |
| 05:28.24 | gnarface | BadMrsFrosty: good, now go find the cygwin channel |
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| 05:28.38 | shogunx | geez. that calls for a... |
| 05:28.41 | BadMrsFrosty | I asked there before. |
| 05:28.42 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 05:28.42 | dpkg | i guess bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 05:29.23 | appye | gnarface: will that require a full-upgrade, or can I just let the synaptic updater gui thinamajig take care of it? |
| 05:30.25 | gnarface | appye: not sure but if you're staying with lenny i *think* that you can just let synaptic take care of it. if there are newer kernels though you might want to check to make sure they get installed - i think that under some circumstances the kernel will not update automatically with everything else |
| 05:31.02 | BadMrsFrosty | I love automatically being dubbed a Windows newbie/fanboy. |
| 05:31.53 | gnarface | well, to be fair you are asking about cygwin in #debian. just because we're the smartest irc channel doesn't mean we know everything. |
| 05:32.08 | shogunx | nobody dubbed you. you came to the wrong place looking for help for windows. |
| 05:32.35 | edavis | Sorry for reasking, but is there any way to possibly do it? |
| 05:33.34 | BadMrsFrosty | To be fair, I asked here only after exhausting all other options. |
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| 05:34.00 | BadMrsFrosty | Since I already went to #Cygwin 2 days ago. Read all manuals, tried other more related channels, etc. |
| 05:34.08 | kermit | edavis: change it in the kernel, recompile the kernel |
| 05:34.33 | edavis | What are the files to be modified? If there's not a guide |
| 05:34.43 | gnarface | BadMrsFrosty: just hang out in cygwin for a few days. leave your irc client on, read the scrollbacks. someone has to have run into the problem before. |
| 05:34.46 | edavis | I've tried searching for a guide, but unfortunately cannot find one |
| 05:34.47 | zebradog | BadMrsFrosty, ->cygwin.com |
| 05:34.58 | kermit | edavis: grep -r FD_SETSIZE /usr/src/linux... |
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| 05:35.38 | kermit | edavis: grep -r define.*FD_SETSIZE /usr/src/linux... |
| 05:36.47 | edavis | /usr/include/linux/posix_types.h:#define __FD_SETSIZE 1024 |
| 05:36.47 | edavis | /usr/include/bits/typesizes.h:#define __FD_SETSIZE 1024 |
| 05:36.49 | edavis | Those two? |
| 05:37.12 | BadMrsFrosty | Will-do gnarface. By the way everyone hates Windows. |
| 05:37.32 | gnarface | yes, but some of us have learned from our mistakes and stopped using it :-p |
| 05:37.54 | kermit | edavis: try /usr/include too |
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| 05:38.14 | edavis | yeah, /usr/include is the only place I can find the files |
| 05:38.22 | BadMrsFrosty | While others of us make 7 figures writing games for Windows since there is no market on Macintosh or Linux. |
| 05:38.23 | edavis | /usr/include/linux/posix_types.h |
| 05:38.32 | edavis | /usr/include/bits/typesize.h |
| 05:38.41 | edavis | Will those do? |
| 05:38.46 | BadMrsFrosty | Maybe both paths are evil, but I chose the more rewarding one. Doesn't mean I like Windows though. |
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| 05:39.18 | kermit | edavis: a user isnt allowed to open more than 1024 f iles by default either, so you'll have to deal with that too |
| 05:39.24 | gnarface | BadMrsFrosty: if you believe all that nonsense then they have already won... |
| 05:39.28 | kermit | edavis: with ulimit or setrlimit |
| 05:39.30 | edavis | kermit: and is there a guide to fix that? |
| 05:39.32 | edavis | oh yeah |
| 05:39.42 | edavis | $ ulimit -Sn |
| 05:39.42 | edavis | 5120 |
| 05:39.45 | kermit | edavis: someone's probably had to do this before too, i bet you can find somethitng |
| 05:39.46 | edavis | Fixed that already. Thanks :) |
| 05:40.16 | edavis | kermit: this is going to sound ridiculous, but is there a guide for recompiling the kernal? |
| 05:41.11 | rozie | yes, there is |
| 05:41.23 | BadMrsFrosty | gnarface, I don't buy into everything I read. The selling point of my commercial engine is that it runs on Windows AND Linux and Macintosh. |
| 05:41.54 | edavis | rozie: do you have a link to it? I'm doing this on a Debian VPS (Xen Virtualization) |
| 05:42.22 | rozie | edavis: http://www.osnews.com/story/2949 |
| 05:42.48 | rozie | little bit old but base is OK |
| 05:43.15 | gnarface | BadMrsFrosty: well then i commend you for the effort |
| 05:43.23 | rozie | if you look for xen solutions, stick to xen guides |
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| 05:43.51 | sweetpi | If thats your selling point, then perhaps you've missed the countless open source engines that are already cross-platform |
| 05:44.43 | gnarface | sweetpi: i was just thinking about how you can cross-compile win32 libraries from gcc on linux and never need this cygwin nonsense that is giving her so much trouble |
| 05:44.59 | gnarface | win32 exe's too |
| 05:45.44 | BadMrsFrosty | sweetpi, I didn't mention Nintendo Wii, iPhone, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3. |
| 05:46.17 | shogunx | seems like there are toolchains for many of those |
| 05:46.22 | BadMrsFrosty | But no engines. |
| 05:46.31 | BadMrsFrosty | Well each has engines. |
| 05:46.33 | BadMrsFrosty | Of course. |
| 05:46.39 | BadMrsFrosty | But not one engine that covers them all. |
| 05:46.59 | shogunx | lots of different processors there too... |
| 05:48.00 | shogunx | cell in the ps3, arm? in the iphone, something or other in the wii (been a while since i hacked on mine), a pringle in the xbox... |
| 05:48.20 | sweetpi | BadMrsFrosty: iirc ogre supports most if not all of those |
| 05:48.21 | BadMrsFrosty | 2 Pringles in recent Xbox 360's.. |
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| 05:48.28 | BadMrsFrosty | Ogre is not a game engine. |
| 05:48.30 | BadMrsFrosty | It's a graphics engine. |
| 05:48.39 | gnarface | shogunx: the wii has two gamecube chips in it - basically specialized ppc chips |
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| 05:48.43 | sweetpi | point? |
| 05:48.48 | BadMrsFrosty | Seriously? |
| 05:49.03 | BadMrsFrosty | A game engine is no more than graphics to you? |
| 05:49.05 | shogunx | gnarface, that sounds about right. |
| 05:49.16 | sweetpi | Sorry I just dont see the point of not extending something that is already there |
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| 05:49.30 | BadMrsFrosty | Because we can do it better. |
| 05:49.35 | shogunx | nothing like the old rs64II's mind you, but... |
| 05:49.40 | sweetpi | anyway this is totally off-topic |
| 05:49.44 | BadMrsFrosty | Yes it is. |
| 05:49.54 | BadMrsFrosty | I found my solution. Thank you gnarface. |
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| 05:50.02 | gnarface | please don't thank me |
| 05:50.05 | BadMrsFrosty | For helping as much as you did. |
| 05:50.07 | gnarface | all i did was insult you and cygwin |
| 05:50.20 | shogunx | going with the crosscompile? |
| 05:50.23 | BadMrsFrosty | It seemed like some effort. |
| 05:50.29 | gnarface | i'm glad you got your answer though. good luck with your engine |
| 05:50.33 | BadMrsFrosty | You too. |
| 05:50.40 | shogunx | tell carmack i said hi. |
| 05:50.46 | BadMrsFrosty | Um. If you got an answer and if you have an engine. |
| 05:51.04 | BadMrsFrosty | I will shogunx. ;p |
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| 05:51.11 | zebradog | thinks BadMrsFrosty needs to get a life |
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| 05:51.22 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.37 | sauvin | "line edit"? |
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| 05:51.54 | zebradog | qiyong, sed can be used as a scripting engine |
| 05:51.55 | sweetpi | "I make 7 figures, help plx on the cygwin"... bleh |
| 05:52.11 | gnarface | lol |
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| 05:52.15 | qiyong | zebradog, i mean line edit, history, etc |
| 05:52.15 | gnarface | that's what i was thinking |
| 05:52.34 | zebradog | qiyong, you're not speaking english very well. you mean shell.. |
| 05:52.40 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.43 | gnarface | qiyong: aren't you using the bash shell? these are built in features. |
| 05:53.02 | shogunx | is he looking for emacs or nano? |
| 05:53.06 | qiyong | gnarface, i prefer sh, not bash's read -r |
| 05:53.24 | zebradog | qiyong, chsh command lets you change your default shell |
| 05:53.28 | gnarface | qiyong: use bash and it will have the features you need. use sh and people will make fun of you |
| 05:53.31 | qiyong | god |
| 05:53.35 | zebradog | (bash has up and down arrow keys to see history commands) |
| 05:53.37 | qiyong | i mean scripting |
| 05:53.45 | zebradog | qiyong, i already answered that |
| 05:54.04 | shogunx | you want to write a script, edit a script, have one script edit another? |
| 05:54.06 | zebradog | qiyong, for "interactive" that's another question, there's 'expect' |
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| 05:54.32 | qiyong | i have sh script, i want my read has history and edit feature |
| 05:55.01 | qiyong | zebradog, ^ |
| 05:55.07 | zebradog | qiyong, if you want a script to be interactive, "expect" can be your scripting engine |
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| 05:55.46 | qiyong | i want something like gnu readline, but not C interface |
| 05:55.53 | qiyong | but a shell interface |
| 05:56.01 | gnarface | perl? |
| 05:56.11 | zebradog | qiyong, 'dialog' libn libraries of it |
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| 05:56.29 | zebradog | qiyong, just use your package manager to look "interactive" |
| 05:56.48 | zebradog | you'll see pacakges about 'dialog' and 'expect' ... |
| 05:56.53 | shogunx | geez, just read your input, and write that out somewhere... in /tmp even |
| 05:57.13 | zebradog | shogunx, english is his 3rd language.. |
| 05:57.21 | shogunx | then you can cat it whenever |
| 05:57.54 | zebradog | he speaks better than most engrish people i've met hehe |
| 05:58.16 | shogunx | indeed |
| 05:58.35 | shogunx | qiyong, check this out, and see if part of it does what you want: |
| 05:58.38 | shogunx | http://gnuveau.net/music |
| 05:59.12 | shogunx | i use that to interactively select and play mp3s from a directory containing them at a shell |
| 05:59.55 | edavis | Is there any quick way to just recompile a kernel? I only made an edit to change FD_SETSIZE. I'm using a Debian VPS with Xen |
| 06:00.39 | shogunx | edavis, standard make oldconfig, make, make install, i think. |
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| 06:01.06 | zebradog | edavis, if something is wrong with your kernel, likely it would be not just 1 thing |
| 06:01.24 | edavis | From changing FD_SETSIZE? :/ |
| 06:01.46 | shogunx | just build it now like you would with any other kernel. |
| 06:01.54 | shogunx | if you get errors, debug them. |
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| 06:01.57 | edavis | That's what I need help with. |
| 06:02.05 | shogunx | thats the only way i ever got enlightenment running:) |
| 06:02.31 | shogunx | make oldconfig will use your running kernels config options. |
| 06:02.34 | shogunx | make will build it. |
| 06:02.41 | shogunx | make install will put it in there |
| 06:02.51 | shogunx | i generally depmod -ae when its all done too. |
| 06:02.54 | edavis | Ok thanks |
| 06:03.16 | shogunx | np |
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| 06:03.56 | shogunx | find what you wanted, qiyong? |
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| 06:05.41 | hello | hello |
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| 06:05.53 | qiyong | shogunx, answering a call |
| 06:05.59 | shogunx | ack |
| 06:06.18 | hello | how to migrate to older version of a debian package |
| 06:06.35 | hello | i mean i need to go from php 5.3 to php 5.2 |
| 06:07.02 | gnarface | lenny is still using php5.2 isn't it? |
| 06:07.30 | qiyong | shogunx, i don't need gui, i just want to support history and arrow keys, i wrote a cli dictionary sh script |
| 06:07.45 | edavis | Where does Debian install the kernel? |
| 06:08.07 | gnarface | qiyong: i'm still not sure what it is your'e trying to accomplish, but maybe you can use ncurses for this? |
| 06:08.42 | hello | yes i installed 5.3 mistacknly |
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| 06:09.07 | gnarface | hello: by source or with a debian package? |
| 06:09.07 | hello | from a squeez repo |
| 06:09.18 | gnarface | hello: is the system running squeeze? |
| 06:09.22 | hello | yes |
| 06:09.53 | gnarface | hello: it's probably easier to update your php code than to downgrade to an old php. |
| 06:10.06 | hello | how to ? |
| 06:10.33 | shogunx | qiyong, no gui per se, just an shell read. cli. |
| 06:10.36 | gnarface | hello: certainly the php error log will tell you what's missing |
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| 06:11.07 | hello | okay |
| 06:11.26 | shogunx | history and arrows my script does not do, but it could be improved to do so. |
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| 06:11.48 | gnarface | php 5.3 is not that different from php 5.2, all they really did was remove some extra compatibility with php4 that you should not be relying on anyway (like naming of object constructors) |
| 06:13.24 | edavis | Where does Debian install the kernel? I tried looking in /usr/src but there is nothing there |
| 06:13.32 | qiyong | shogunx, which types of boxes with dialog? |
| 06:13.43 | kermit | edavis: probably not by default |
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| 06:13.51 | hello | um but a webinterface i was installng require php 5.2 |
| 06:13.54 | passwordoff | Any pedobear here? |
| 06:13.57 | edavis | Well where would it be then? :3 |
| 06:14.13 | gnarface | edavis: it installs by default into /boot and adds symlinks in / |
| 06:14.24 | kermit | gnarface: he means the source |
| 06:14.37 | gnarface | oh |
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| 06:14.52 | edavis | I'm using Xen if that changes anything? |
| 06:15.04 | deco | i have a radeon hd 4200 will backporting a lastet kernel make it work with the ati opensource driver ? |
| 06:15.12 | gnarface | edavis: the source should be in /usr/src if you have it, but by default if you apt-get a source package it puts it in whichever directory you are in when you run the command |
| 06:15.17 | deco | a latest* |
| 06:15.35 | edavis | gnarface: I didn't install any kernel, I'm looking for the one already installed :P |
| 06:15.39 | krisfremen | don't you need the header packages for that? |
| 06:15.52 | gnarface | edavis: on xen (i don't know for sure) i'd assume you should look into the host system, not in one of the guests. can anyone confirm this for me? |
| 06:16.23 | edavis | I just wish there was an easier way of changed FD_SETSIZE, heh :P |
| 06:16.29 | gnarface | edavis: by *default* debian does not install the kernel source at all, it just gives you the binary packages |
| 06:16.49 | edavis | Well then where would I use `make oldconfig`? |
| 06:17.07 | gnarface | in the kernel source directory (which you have to get yourself) |
| 06:17.21 | kermit | isnt there some distribution of linux thats already has things like FD_SETSIZE turned way up? |
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| 06:18.31 | shogunx | qiyong, ncurses is the lib you want, i think. |
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| 06:18.58 | shogunx | my script has no boxes. it just reads from stdin |
| 06:19.04 | qiyong | shogunx, i want it look like shell's line edit, no need of dialogs |
| 06:19.12 | qiyong | shogunx, how? |
| 06:19.26 | qiyong | shogunx, how no boxes? |
| 06:19.34 | shogunx | look at the script i linked you to. |
| 06:19.58 | gnarface | edavis: http://fixunix.com/unix/516751-fd_setsize.html this forum has someone saying something about using 'poll' or 'epoll' instead of changing your kernel source. i'm not sure what that means but i think it may be worth googling |
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| 06:20.05 | shogunx | i declare the variables as files that the input gets written to, like this: LIST="/mnt/3/archive/mp3/list" |
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| 06:20.25 | edavis | Thanks |
| 06:20.36 | shogunx | then, i read a value into the variable like this: echo "enter song number(s) to play" && read NUMBER |
| 06:21.01 | kdasdasf | hi i'm running debian etch in minimal configuration and want to try out a dns server but it tells me address already in use. ps -A listes nscd and named which of those runs on port 23? |
| 06:21.08 | simonrvn | use epoll like a sane 2.6 kernel user ffs |
| 06:21.10 | shogunx | look at the subroutine for -s |
| 06:21.14 | kdasdasf | and can i disable these daemons without wracking my system? |
| 06:21.42 | gnarface | kdasdasf: there's a command called 'fuser' that i think can tell you what's using it |
| 06:21.58 | qiyong | shogunx, what -s? |
| 06:22.02 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: update to lenny already |
| 06:22.12 | shogunx | in my script http://gnuveau.net/music |
| 06:22.13 | kermit | gnarface: poll, nice! thanks |
| 06:22.19 | simonrvn | named doesn't run on 23 |
| 06:22.51 | simonrvn | niether does nscd. nscd has a unix socket |
| 06:22.54 | krt | kdasdasf: lsof or netstat -an |
| 06:22.55 | simonrvn | nei* |
| 06:23.06 | shogunx | the main program reads $1 at run time. if $1 is -r, then it calls that subroutine via 'case' |
| 06:23.11 | krt | telnetd usually runs on tcp 23 |
| 06:23.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:23.20 | krt | or an inetd call to it |
| 06:23.29 | kdasdasf | oh i mean 53 |
| 06:23.30 | kdasdasf | sorry |
| 06:23.36 | kdasdasf | the default dns port |
| 06:23.43 | gnarface | ugh, people still install telnet? |
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| 06:23.51 | krt | telnet can be handy |
| 06:23.58 | krt | some systems arent worth securing |
| 06:24.01 | krt | its easy to script telnet :-) |
| 06:24.02 | simonrvn | as a honeypot yes ;p |
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| 06:24.08 | krt | nah, internal stupid projects |
| 06:24.19 | gnarface | uses nc for that |
| 06:24.30 | krt | that little unix box that controls the widget in the garage that monitors the temp and raises and lowers a louver |
| 06:24.33 | krt | whatev |
| 06:24.34 | freetime | hi , can anybody tell me how can i install vlc-nox 1.2.1 on debina 5 lenny x64 |
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| 06:24.45 | simonrvn | lever? |
| 06:24.47 | krt | sometimes those boxes aint got the power to do ssh |
| 06:24.48 | kdasdasf | sorry whats the syntax of fuser? fuser -4 53 tells my no such file or directory |
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| 06:25.02 | gnarface | kdasdasf: read the man page |
| 06:25.05 | krt | kdas: lsof|grep -i udp |
| 06:25.11 | kdasdasf | netstat -an lists me that something listens on 0.0.0.0:53 but not what |
| 06:25.35 | krt | good thats the first step |
| 06:25.37 | simonrvn | lsof -n -i is nice ;) (no dns lookups like traceroute and route) |
| 06:25.43 | krt | verification that something is there outside of the program reporting it |
| 06:25.44 | krt | :-) |
| 06:26.21 | simonrvn | ...and tcpdump, and ... |
| 06:26.46 | krt | dd from memory and read a few bytes |
| 06:27.54 | krt | oh neat lsof has searches built in |
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| 06:28.06 | krt | lsof -iUDP :53 |
| 06:28.06 | edavis | Does anyone here have experience with using `poll`? |
| 06:28.20 | gnarface | kdasdasf: fuser -n tcp 53; fuser -n udp 53 |
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| 06:28.35 | kdasdasf | ah ok according to fuser -n udp 53 -> ps -A | grep named listens on port 53. is it save to stop that daemon or will all local programs fail to resolve dsn queries |
| 06:28.54 | kdasdasf | gnarface, thanks didn't find the manpage at first because of a type |
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| 06:28.56 | kdasdasf | *typo |
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| 06:29.14 | krt | named is the dns server that you want to play with... |
| 06:29.28 | gnarface | kdasdasf: it will only harm local queries if 127.0.0.1 or your ip is listed in /etc/resolv.conf as a nameserver |
| 06:29.29 | krt | it's likely bind |
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| 06:29.44 | kdasdasf | krt, tcp-over-dns is the dns server i want to play with :-) |
| 06:29.45 | ham5 | hows the linux kernel make deb vs the debians make-kpkg? |
| 06:29.45 | krt | (is that true anymore?) |
| 06:30.00 | krt | kdas: then you definitely want bind, that is, dns over tcp |
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| 06:30.11 | krt | though most do it |
| 06:30.14 | gnarface | krt: as far as i know debian is still bind9 across the board |
| 06:30.15 | krt | -shrug- |
| 06:30.26 | krt | I used to use djbdns for big caches |
| 06:30.33 | kdasdasf | krt, no i mean tunneling tcp over dns |
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| 06:30.55 | gnarface | krt: bind9 uses both tcp and udp for *some* stuff. |
| 06:30.56 | krt | trying to get free wifi? |
| 06:30.59 | edavis | How can I use poll to change FD_SETSIZE? |
| 06:31.03 | kdasdasf | krt :-) yes |
| 06:31.12 | kermit | edavis: you dont have to if you use poll instead of select |
| 06:31.20 | kdasdasf | gnarface it's not listed in /etc/resolv.conf thx |
| 06:31.22 | krt | gnar: bind any version uses tcp and udp for some stuff :-) |
| 06:31.23 | kermit | kdasdasf: let me know when you pull it of |
| 06:31.27 | edavis | kermit: how ould I use select to do it then? |
| 06:31.35 | kermit | edavis: to do what? |
| 06:31.42 | edavis | change FD_SETSIZE |
| 06:31.49 | kermit | edavis: if you use poll instead of select, you dont have to |
| 06:32.00 | krt | it's trivial to do |
| 06:32.02 | edavis | Well would I go about using poll to do so? |
| 06:32.07 | krt | shrugs |
| 06:32.19 | krt | but, usually, you're not going to get good performance |
| 06:32.27 | krt | and most of the providers probably have packet per second locks now |
| 06:32.36 | krt | if not entirely different dns caches for non-authenticated |
| 06:32.43 | krt | but if they don't, then, hey, in like flinn |
| 06:33.09 | edavis | But you don't know how to change it then? :/ |
| 06:33.13 | gnarface | edavis: if you read the man page for epoll you are likely to figure it out. here: http://linux.die.net/man/4/epoll try reading this. it's above my head but it may be clear to you |
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| 06:33.28 | edavis | Thanks |
| 06:33.51 | gnarface | edavis: the point is you DO NOT change FD_SETSIZE - i think you can set equivalent functionality per call to epoll or something like that |
| 06:34.10 | kermit | edavis: are you saying you dont have access to the source of whatever is using select? |
| 06:34.11 | edavis | Well I'm trying to run an ircd |
| 06:34.14 | gnarface | is not a kernel programmer |
| 06:35.04 | krt | edavis: you can do an ifdef thing, or an undef/def if you're really lazy |
| 06:35.46 | kermit | edavis: for ircd just compile with -DUSE_POLL |
| 06:35.48 | krt | http://aelinik.free.fr/c/ch23.htm |
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| 06:36.08 | edavis | kermit: if the kernel is limited to 1024, then I can't have more than 1024 users connect. |
| 06:36.24 | kermit | edavis: unless you compile with -DUSE_POLL |
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| 06:36.39 | edavis | the kernel or the ircd? |
| 06:36.46 | gnarface | ircd!! |
| 06:36.50 | gnarface | this isn't fucking windows dude |
| 06:37.04 | kermit | edavis: ircd |
| 06:37.10 | gnarface | nobody is trying to get you to buy more licenses just so you can have more than 10 samba file shares open at once |
| 06:37.11 | gnarface | sheesh |
| 06:37.19 | krt | edavis: if you change FD_SETSIZE in a program, that program will encounter an error boundary when it reaches the kernel limit of that box |
| 06:37.29 | kermit | gnarface: yead i'd think configure would already do this for him |
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| 06:38.00 | gnarface | i'd suspect the debian binary packages are already set up this way |
| 06:38.17 | ix_ | i need a fast mirror to download debian netinstall |
| 06:38.18 | dondelelcaro | edavis: why aren't you using the binary packages we distribute for irc daemons? |
| 06:38.27 | dondelelcaro | ix_: cdimage.debian.org is fairly fast |
| 06:38.28 | edavis | because this is an Xen vps |
| 06:38.33 | dondelelcaro | edavis: so? |
| 06:38.50 | ix_ | dondelelcaro: that's where i am taking it, it's very slow |
| 06:38.54 | edavis | So where can I go about receiving this binary package for my ircd then? |
| 06:39.21 | dondelelcaro | edavis: aptitude install ircd-hybrid; or similar |
| 06:39.35 | gnarface | edavis: there are several in the debian repository. apt-cache search ircd |
| 06:39.36 | edavis | ...this is for a custom unrealircd |
| 06:40.00 | dondelelcaro | ix_: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 06:40.04 | krt | now with more backdoors! |
| 06:40.07 | kermit | edavis: if configure isnt setting USE_POLL, just set it yourself |
| 06:40.17 | krt | giggles |
| 06:40.24 | dondelelcaro | edavis: if you're unfamiliar with all of this, then you probably shouldn't be compiling and/or running your own ircd; regardless, it's not on topic here. |
| 06:40.27 | edavis | ./Config -DUSE_POLL? |
| 06:40.44 | gnarface | edavis: ./configure --help |
| 06:40.47 | edavis | dondelelcaro: running an ircd is not what is on topic. What I am asking is how to change FD_SETSIZE |
| 06:41.23 | dondelelcaro | edavis: helping you build your ircd isn't on topic in this channel. Ask in ##linux or similar |
| 06:41.31 | tpocra | Anyone know the best way to scan a block device file like /dev/sda2 for a specific header by going through the entire contents and searching for a given string? |
| 06:41.35 | ix_ | dondelelcaro: i can't find debian testing netinstall on those mirrors, only stable netinstall |
| 06:41.41 | edavis | dondelelcaro: ...what does FD_SETSIZE have to do with an ircd? |
| 06:41.48 | kermit | tpocra: strings |
| 06:42.23 | gnarface | not grep? |
| 06:42.24 | kermit | edavis: absolutely nothing if you use -DUSE_POLL |
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| 06:42.54 | dondelelcaro | ix_: ah; yeah, for them, you'll just have to wait |
| 06:42.54 | gnarface | ouch |
| 06:43.24 | dondelelcaro | ix_: but generally speaking, that server gets around 1M/s |
| 06:43.29 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: wish you were here earlier. we had someone asking for help with cygwin |
| 06:43.41 | krt | gnarface: you'd grep after strings if strings doesnt have a search that suits |
| 06:43.43 | ix_ | dondelelcaro: 30KB/s |
| 06:43.48 | ix_ | right now |
| 06:43.59 | krt | (generally) |
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| 06:44.33 | gnarface | admits to using grep for many things that are already built-in features in other tools |
| 06:44.37 | krt | STRINGS(1) NAME strings - find the printable strings in a object, or other binary, file |
| 06:45.13 | krt | (but, no regex searching afaik, etc.) |
| 06:45.32 | dondelelcaro | ix_: dunno what to tell you, but your ISP has problems. 168,742,912 13.6M/s in 14s |
| 06:46.08 | ix_ | dondelelcaro: my debian updates work at 1MB/s |
| 06:46.33 | dondelelcaro | ix_: yeah; they probably don't have a peering agreement to that server's network or something |
| 06:46.53 | gnarface | dondelelcaro, ix_ wasn't there some government opt-in program where you could sign up to get your broadband providor dinged by the FCC for traffic throttling posted on slashdot a month or two back? is that still on? |
| 06:47.00 | dondelelcaro | (granted, the above is going over inet2, so it's probably not reasonable to expect those speeds) |
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| 06:47.29 | dondelelcaro | ix_: anyway, those files are generated daily, so I'm not sure if we have any mirrors of them. |
| 06:47.41 | ix_ | yep |
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| 06:47.56 | ix_ | well, i'll just wait an hour or two :) |
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| 06:52.23 | sweetpi | ix_: If your repo mirror is fast, why not use the business card iso? its quite a bit smaller than the netinst iso |
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| 06:53.26 | ix_ | sweetpi: i neet pppoe |
| 06:53.32 | ix_ | need |
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| 06:53.55 | Snooops | hi folks |
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| 06:54.54 | hdtdi | gnarface, :) i meessed up and reinstalled my debian can you tell me again which packets do i need to install for alsa ? |
| 06:54.55 | Snooops | im trying to run a .NET application with mono on a tightvnc openbox session and it seems that i get a DISPLAY error from the mono .NET application. do you guys have an idea what i have todo? ;) |
| 06:57.19 | ix_ | :)) |
| 06:57.34 | ix_ | it just started to download at 700KB/s |
| 06:57.40 | ix_ | and it's already over |
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| 06:59.57 | gnarface | ... woops |
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| 07:00.29 | mcgreg | anyone in here who tried building a kernel from kernel.org using make-kpgk? I git pulled today and when I try to do: make-kpkg buildpackage --revision 201008064 --initrd it fails after a while with an error : cp: cannot stat `/home/mcgreg/git/linux-2.6/modules.order': No such file or directory |
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| 07:01.31 | mcgreg | I used to do that quite often and never had problems |
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| 07:10.41 | Snooops | hey guys i got a problem with X-Server. Im in a openbox tightvnc session and trying to run a mono application, now i get: Client is not authorized to connect to Server... Check you DISPLAY enviroment variable. any ideas how can i check the DISPLAY var? |
| 07:10.54 | bzrk | hi, does anyone have a working preseed file for german keyboard layout? i have tried virtually every combination but always end up with an US layout... |
| 07:11.09 | krt | snoops: man xhost |
| 07:11.42 | krt | sno{3}ps |
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| 07:12.15 | Snooops | yes i tried xhost krt but there i get the error: Client is not authorized to connect to Serverxhost: unable to open display ":1.0". |
| 07:12.23 | Snooops | well and thats the display im using with tightvnc |
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| 07:16.57 | hdtdi | !alsa |
| 07:16.57 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 07:17.09 | hdtdi | !install alsa |
| 07:17.09 | dpkg | "aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils". After it's installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, see <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications on Lenny. Some ALSA drivers require firmware from userspace, ask me about <alsa firmware>. |
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| 07:18.44 | hdtdi | ah i didnt know that :) anyways i have sound now :))) |
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| 08:08.58 | lau | hello, is this a chan were I can propose a debian init script in order to add it into an upstream package and package a debian package ? |
| 08:09.05 | lau | where |
| 08:09.29 | lau | s/propose/present and ask for review live/ |
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| 08:12.27 | ianwizard | Anybody know how one might go about getting a single partition out of an img file that contains the whole partition table |
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| 08:15.16 | Bushmills | a whole device image? yes, you can loop mount it with an offset. |
| 08:15.55 | Bushmills | i would have to look the details up again myself. did so a while ago with a flash drive image which contained partitions |
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| 08:16.34 | ianwizard | ok, so I need to figure out the partition length and offset? |
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| 08:17.00 | ianwizard | then google how to mount that? |
| 08:17.17 | Bushmills | i *think* the offset was only to the partition entry of the partition table |
| 08:18.09 | Bushmills | loop mounting is done with mount -o loop ... |
| 08:19.25 | ianwizard | ok, I'm looking at it in fdisk. it says: Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: |
| 08:19.25 | ianwizard | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.00 | ianwizard | and that it starts a 1 |
| 08:20.12 | ianwizard | so that makes my offset easy. |
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| 08:22.29 | ianwizard | thanks Bushmills, this was very helpful |
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| 08:33.28 | pasquale- | hi.. i just installed debian yesterday, and now i'm getting flodded with irq messages such as: do_IRQ: 0.91 No irq handler for vector ... I've searched around a bit, and I found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1234983 --- the problem seems to be related to the ASUS P5VD2 motherboards. |
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| 08:34.10 | pasquale- | because of this, I'm unable to use the command line properly |
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| 08:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | the problem was solved at the end of this |
| 08:36.36 | pasquale- | yes, i'm unsure about how to edit the grub line.. because i've never done it before |
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| 08:36.43 | pasquale- | i tried yesterday but i think i did it wrong |
| 08:38.40 | pasquale- | could you check if i do it right, i will paste you the unedited line, and then i will edit it |
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| 08:38.55 | pasquale- | this is the first time i use linux/debian |
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| 08:44.13 | pasquale- | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
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| 08:57.25 | vlt | Hello. I want to setup a CUPS server to accept print jobs from remote CUPS servers and feed the printers. Do I need printer drivers on this machine or only on the clients where the applications are running? |
| 08:57.48 | jelly | pasquale-: just write it, someone will probably respond |
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| 09:25.30 | pasquale | jelly, thank you, but i solved the problem editing the grub line |
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| 09:28.58 | jelly | even better! |
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| 09:36.54 | thewanderer1 | I've run into an initscript bug |
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| 09:37.51 | thewanderer1 | nfs-kernel-server does a grep on /proc/kallsyms, but the grep fails if NFSD is compiled as a module - I had to hack the initscript to not check for kernel symbols |
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| 09:38.25 | thewanderer1 | I'm trying packages from testing now |
| 09:39.26 | thewanderer1 | alright, in testing it detects the module better. |
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| 09:42.36 | jelly | thewanderer1: that bug was fixed a few months back |
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| 09:46.28 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.32 | project2501a | what does that meann? |
| 09:47.14 | nsadmin | a data transfer failed when the server said "failure writing network stream" |
| 09:47.45 | nsadmin | which part of that would you like more clarity on? |
| 09:47.51 | project2501a | heh |
| 09:48.01 | project2501a | possible clues on causes. |
| 09:48.03 | project2501a | i'm googling |
| 09:48.15 | nsadmin | what kind of server? |
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| 09:48.29 | nsadmin | so you want more clarity on what the server said? |
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| 09:48.55 | project2501a | probably vsftpd. i am trying to download lenny from ftp.gr.debian.org |
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| 09:50.10 | nsadmin | oh, I see... so since you're actually trying to do transfers, would you prefer to separate the issue of why the server is saying what it's saying, from the issue of you wanting to transfer files? |
| 09:50.15 | thewanderer1 | jelly: oh, right. I was just running stable on my server, but I have a few parts from testing so I think I'll just upgrade now ;P |
| 09:50.51 | project2501a | nsadmin: sure would. i apologize for sounding like an idiot. haven't had much coffee yet. i am not asking the right questions. |
| 09:51.00 | nsadmin | don't worry |
| 09:51.02 | nsadmin | I'm not |
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| 09:51.30 | nsadmin | (as males we need to move thru the world without apology) |
| 09:51.46 | project2501a | *grunt* |
| 09:51.53 | project2501a | that explains why my ex thought i was a wuss |
| 09:52.05 | project2501a | cuz i actually tried to involve her in discussion. |
| 09:52.08 | project2501a | *grunt*^2 |
| 09:53.56 | nsadmin | ok, so if we're separating them, let's put the what-the-server-said issue aside. |
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| 09:54.13 | nsadmin | if you change what mirror, you might be able to continue with your download. |
| 09:54.56 | nsadmin | I read an assumption into this, that you are downloading packages from a debian mirror |
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| 09:56.20 | nsadmin | a lot of women do not like logic... some do, but most are totally in feeling-state |
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| 09:57.21 | Finetic | how can I turn the blinking cursor in Debian Termianl to a normal underline? |
| 09:57.44 | thewanderer1 | there's no Debian Terminal... look for preferences if you mean emulator |
| 09:57.46 | project2501a | nsadmin: yeah, i changed my mirror. sall good :) |
| 09:58.09 | Finetic | thewanderer1: YOu mean user profiile? |
| 09:58.18 | nsadmin | ok, so that issue is taken care of. still curious about the other? |
| 09:58.28 | thewanderer1 | Finetic: yes, if you're on GNOME then it's Profile |
| 09:58.59 | project2501a | nsadmin: about my ex? :D |
| 09:59.05 | project2501a | nsadmin: nah. i need coffee right now |
| 09:59.06 | Finetic | thewanderer1: there is no option to change that in 'Profile' |
| 09:59.14 | project2501a | just had my insulin injection |
| 09:59.17 | nsadmin | no :) about what the server said :) |
| 09:59.25 | nsadmin | type-1? |
| 09:59.28 | project2501a | yup |
| 09:59.38 | thewanderer1 | try "profile preferences" at the bottom of Edit menu :P |
| 10:00.01 | project2501a | nsadmin: nah, i found the error description at the vsftpd site. |
| 10:00.26 | Finetic | thewanderer1: same |
| 10:00.29 | nsadmin | I'll just say that many women are so sensitive, that when they get a heavy dose of logic they get really bad headaches |
| 10:00.40 | project2501a | heh |
| 10:00.43 | thewanderer1 | Finetic: there's a "cursor shape" in the general tab |
| 10:00.54 | Finetic | thewanderer1: not here |
| 10:01.21 | thewanderer1 | erm, let's see... I've got another locale set :P |
| 10:01.30 | thewanderer1 | oh, are you using Stable? |
| 10:02.14 | project2501a | libwww-curl-perl wtf |
| 10:02.16 | project2501a | this is not installed |
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| 10:03.19 | thewanderer1 | I have this "cursor shape" thing here in Edit->Profile preferences->General tab - I have no idea if it's in debian stable, too (different GNOME version) |
| 10:04.39 | project2501a | gparted is already the newest version. |
| 10:04.39 | project2501a | gparted set to manually installed. |
| 10:04.44 | project2501a | ok, someone explain that to me. |
| 10:05.00 | project2501a | apt-get is complaining that that package is no longer needed and i should autoremove it |
| 10:05.21 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: it was a dependency of some package, and now you've marked it (apt-get install) as if you've installed it on your own |
| 10:05.39 | project2501a | ok. it also wants to remove gdm :| |
| 10:05.45 | thewanderer1 | do the same :P |
| 10:06.03 | project2501a | install it you mean? |
| 10:06.12 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 10:06.21 | project2501a | is there any way of resetting the package list to the default distributed by the distro? |
| 10:06.31 | project2501a | the default squeeze packages |
| 10:06.41 | thewanderer1 | er... like starting from scratch? |
| 10:06.54 | project2501a | yeah, but just reset the package list |
| 10:07.02 | thewanderer1 | what do you mean by package list? |
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| 10:07.11 | project2501a | Release.gz ? |
| 10:07.38 | project2501a | n/m |
| 10:07.39 | thewanderer1 | er... you could always remove apt's caches and update from somewhere else |
| 10:07.41 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 10:07.43 | project2501a | hm |
| 10:07.44 | project2501a | true |
| 10:07.52 | thewanderer1 | I don't see the point though |
| 10:08.17 | project2501a | just to diff the packages. what the repo says i should have, vs what i have already installed |
| 10:08.29 | project2501a | that way i can go through the list and say "i do not need that" |
| 10:08.48 | thewanderer1 | dpkg --list, browse the names and throw out what you don't need :P |
| 10:08.49 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, thewanderer1 |
| 10:09.17 | project2501a | thewanderer1: i need a bit of insurance i do not remove libc for example ;P |
| 10:09.39 | thewanderer1 | aptitude search ~poptional |
| 10:09.49 | thewanderer1 | will only display you packages of priority optional |
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| 10:10.10 | thewanderer1 | there's also "extra" priority |
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| 10:10.39 | thewanderer1 | there has to be some way to display only the installed ones ;P |
| 10:10.50 | Finetic | how can I install flash on debian? I have some captcha that get generated by flash that I need to see |
| 10:11.12 | project2501a | FLASH! |
| 10:11.16 | project2501a | GORDON! |
| 10:11.38 | project2501a | Finetic: apt-get instal flash-plugin-nonfree |
| 10:12.13 | Finetic | could not find package project2501a |
| 10:12.29 | thewanderer1 | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:12.40 | project2501a | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:12.42 | project2501a | right |
| 10:12.45 | project2501a | off to food i am. |
| 10:12.48 | Finetic | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:12.51 | Finetic | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 10:14.53 | thewanderer1 | found the aptitude search terms! |
| 10:15.09 | thewanderer1 | aptitude search "?and(~i, ~pextra)" |
| 10:15.13 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all good soul mens and womans here !@! |
| 10:15.19 | thewanderer1 | same goes for ~poptional |
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| 10:16.26 | thewanderer1 | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:16.29 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
| 10:17.01 | Finetic | so which should i pick then? flasm? |
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| 10:22.10 | nsadmin | if you flazm, don't spazm in the chazm of the plazm |
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| 10:23.03 | Finetic | jeez im so sick of this ubertrash browser iceweasel |
| 10:23.16 | Finetic | it crashed, and when i force quit and restart it's stuck again |
| 10:23.16 | nsadmin | actually me too |
| 10:23.23 | Finetic | is there any good browser for debian? |
| 10:23.35 | nsadmin | so far konq is ok |
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| 10:25.49 | qwd | Finetic: maybe it's your addons. |
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| 10:28.09 | homie | is 42°C too much for a harddrive ? |
| 10:28.28 | homie | my hda is 42 and sda is 40 as i see |
| 10:28.37 | Argafal | I'd think it is ok. |
| 10:28.39 | homie | and they are on top of the other |
| 10:28.49 | homie | so almost no room in between the cases |
| 10:29.03 | Argafal | why don't you make some room in between? |
| 10:29.07 | nsadmin | so... they're on top of each other and they're hot... |
| 10:29.19 | homie | yep |
| 10:29.21 | nsadmin | or is it they're hot so they're on top of each other? |
| 10:29.25 | homie | and the one on top is hotter |
| 10:29.30 | Argafal | That's what she said.... |
| 10:29.31 | homie | and sometimes it goes wink wink |
| 10:29.41 | homie | lol |
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| 10:30.29 | Argafal | http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda_7200_10.pdf seagate lists 60 deg C as maximum specified temperature. |
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| 10:31.06 | homie | ok next time i'll just put the lower one deeper |
| 10:31.15 | homie | it's independent of the other |
| 10:31.26 | homie | i hope that helps a lil bit |
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| 10:34.01 | uwjweq | How can I prevent a process from taking to much memory or cpu-cycles? |
| 10:34.46 | uwjweq | Even killing it when it becomes to greedy, before it slows down the whole machine? |
| 10:34.50 | homie | lower priority, lower niceness |
| 10:35.21 | homie | use the ondemand or userspace governor |
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| 10:36.02 | uwjweq | Thank you. I will be looking into these. |
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| 10:38.01 | homie | i don't know if there are any issue when starting one process as the poweruser governor was in use then changing the governor to something lower |
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| 10:38.19 | homie | i don't know if that would affect the process in any way |
| 10:38.47 | homie | the scheduler is i think trying to gradually adapt some values |
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| 10:39.07 | homie | but to which extent ??? |
| 10:39.25 | homie | and what about caching ? |
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| 10:39.31 | homie | and swapinness ??? |
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| 10:40.52 | uwjweq | Well, I am not certain it is what I am looking for. |
| 10:41.16 | uwjweq | Are you sure that can help me with my problem? |
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| 10:42.01 | nsadmin | only to the extent someone can apply it |
| 10:42.17 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:42.51 | homie | i gave you just some links...you have to use the manuals of your system and know what to alter... |
| 10:43.03 | homie | for example ulimit yes |
| 10:43.09 | uwjweq | I´ll have a look at it. |
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| 10:43.43 | pkkm | Is 'find -name' case-sensitive? |
| 10:44.22 | themill | pkkm: yes. see -iname in man find. |
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| 10:46.35 | nsadmin | pkkm: in case not clear, remember the find expression follows at least one dirspec |
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| 10:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | pasquale, I wandered away... that happens a lot here... but yes - trying is best... :) |
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| 10:50.13 | pasquale | CutMeOwnThroat, no problem, i edited the grub line and everything seems okay now |
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| 10:50.36 | pasquale | thank you for your help |
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| 10:53.04 | pkkm | Is there OR operator in find? |
| 10:53.58 | OpenTokix | pkkm: You can have multiple -name |
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| 10:54.27 | themill | pkkm: the man page has quite an extensive section on "OPERATORS". also /msg dpkg using find |
| 10:54.49 | pkkm | thanks |
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| 11:18.38 | nsadmin | pkkm: yes, there is an or operator, as well as and (which is optional: adjacent expressions are anded by default) |
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| 11:20.10 | pkkm | nsadmin, how to use it? |
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| 11:20.54 | nsadmin | it's not in the man page? |
| 11:21.22 | nsadmin | (expression) -or (expression) |
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| 11:24.19 | nio | hi, i have one stupid question but plz give me a hint if u know. i love debian and i use it always. but i like ubuntu gnome-menu look |
| 11:24.40 | nio | anyone know how can i make my gnome under debian look like the one in ubuntu? |
| 11:24.57 | nsadmin | compare the configuration |
| 11:25.21 | nio | nsadmin: what config? |
| 11:25.22 | nsadmin | you'd need to get good at "how to get gnome to look like something" |
| 11:25.30 | nsadmin | which I'm not |
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| 11:29.10 | pallgone | nio: what kinda look do you mean? like lucid? |
| 11:29.16 | alcy | how do I download source code from lxr (the hosted code not the lxr code ) ? like this project http://lxr.e2g.org/source/?v=s3c-linux.2.6.21 |
| 11:31.06 | nio | pallgone: yeah totally. u know.. the sound/network/battery notification/indicators are seemless |
| 11:33.28 | pallgone | nio: well, that's ubuntu-specific stuff AFAIK, I wouldn't want to have it, but I guess you could try adding the gnome-applets from ubuntu if you really want it |
| 11:33.30 | nsadmin | alcy, what happens when you browse that link |
| 11:34.01 | nio | pallgone: i'll test |
| 11:34.38 | alcy | nsadmin: I can read the code. |
| 11:34.39 | pallgone | is happy that debian is not messing around with GNOME too much |
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| 11:34.58 | alcy | nsadmin: wget it ? cvs ? i don't know ? |
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| 11:37.29 | Flashtek | beats his ehad against a door.. |
| 11:37.59 | Flashtek | is trying to make .deb files |
| 11:38.00 | nsadmin | alcy: is the code one file? |
| 11:38.19 | nsadmin | Flashtek: get to know debhelper |
| 11:38.31 | nsadmin | also get to know the packaging manual |
| 11:38.32 | Flashtek | it partly works, but the postinst can't find the files that should be installed by the package |
| 11:38.53 | nsadmin | what does lintian say |
| 11:39.17 | Flashtek | shrugs |
| 11:39.20 | nsadmin | oh, resource: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 11:39.20 | Flashtek | peeks |
| 11:39.25 | nsadmin | find out :P |
| 11:39.35 | alcy | nsadmin: errm, no...? |
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| 11:42.37 | stavi | I have a serious problem...sshd is crashing on a remote server. I can't login anymore. But I still have one working, active ssh session. any ideas what I can install to be able to get to a terminal without ssh before my session gets disconnected? |
| 11:42.56 | nsadmin | why is it crashing? |
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| 11:43.11 | stavi | *** invalid open64 call: O_CREAT without mode ***: /usr/sbin/sshd terminated |
| 11:43.15 | stavi | that's the error I get. |
| 11:43.31 | stavi | possibly libc got upgraded without rebooting the server... |
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| 11:43.59 | nsadmin | hmm. it sounds to me like a library was upgraded to a different version |
| 11:44.27 | nsadmin | if that is what happened, that is seriously bad jumu |
| 11:44.28 | stavi | but the datacenter it's hosted at is useless...and I'm not 100% sure it will work after a reboot, so I need a way to ensure I can get back in if sshd doenst come back up after I reboot it. |
| 11:44.41 | nsadmin | nono don't reboot it |
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| 11:44.56 | nsadmin | did you upgrade stuff? |
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| 11:45.09 | stavi | like, weeks ago, yes. might have forgotten to reboot. |
| 11:45.10 | jelly | stavi: telnetd-ssl? :-) |
| 11:45.23 | stavi | that might work. |
| 11:45.34 | Finetic | Anyone know an easy way to install FLASH for Iceweasel?? |
| 11:45.47 | nsadmin | !flash |
| 11:45.47 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 11:45.57 | Innocentus | hi ho |
| 11:46.01 | Innocentus | anyone online? :) hehe |
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| 11:46.17 | nsadmin | is oncurve |
| 11:46.47 | nsadmin | tried to be original... probably not :) |
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| 11:50.33 | Finetic | swfdec |
| 11:50.38 | Finetic | !swfdec |
| 11:50.39 | dpkg | Swfdec ("swiff deck") is a decoder/renderer for <Flash> animations, packaged as swfdec-gnome and swfdec-mozilla. Not actively developed, removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #571666. Ask me about <gnash>. |
| 11:50.39 | Bushmills | 969 bots and one Innocentus |
| 11:50.48 | Innocentus | I knew |
| 11:50.53 | Finetic | !gnash |
| 11:50.53 | dpkg | Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:50.56 | Innocentus | I am in a world of bots |
| 11:51.00 | Innocentus | this world is not real |
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| 11:51.40 | Innocentus | I forgot the name ... but here was an user who made a firewall punch solution for php |
| 11:52.01 | Innocentus | Who was it? |
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| 11:52.15 | abrotman | Finetic: please msg the bot |
| 11:52.25 | abrotman | Innocentus: that doesn't even make sense |
| 11:52.37 | abrotman | oh, a firewall tool written in PHP |
| 11:52.47 | abrotman | to create a firewall for a system |
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| 11:53.11 | abrotman | wonders about the possible security issues of creating firewall rules using PHP ... |
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| 11:56.20 | Finetic | have tried everything |
| 11:56.27 | Finetic | cannot get flash to work in this trash browser iceweasel |
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| 11:57.22 | abrotman | Finetic: really? what did you try? and what about it doesn't worik ? |
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| 11:58.17 | Finetic | mozilla-plugin-gnash |
| 11:58.46 | abrotman | okay, and what about it doesn't work ? |
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| 11:58.55 | abrotman | gnash doesn't work on all websites yet |
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| 12:01.16 | Finetic | it doesn't work anywhere |
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| 12:01.56 | abrotman | what does 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so" say >? |
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| 12:05.38 | abrotman | or don't answer me and i'll go get food instead! |
| 12:05.54 | Finetic | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2010-08-06 14:51 /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so |
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| 12:06.18 | abrotman | update-alternatives flash-mozilla.so .. what options does it give you? |
| 12:06.22 | abrotman | sorry |
| 12:06.29 | abrotman | update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 12:07.16 | Finetic | There are 2 alternatives which provide 'flash-mozilla.so' |
| 12:07.27 | abrotman | is one gnash? |
| 12:07.31 | Finetic | /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/.. |
| 12:07.32 | Finetic | and |
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| 12:07.41 | Finetic | /usr/lib/gnash/.. |
| 12:07.41 | Finetic | yes |
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| 12:08.00 | abrotman | so pick gnash, and then restart all instances of your browser .. see what happens, good luck (/me goes to graze) |
| 12:08.08 | Finetic | thanks |
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| 12:08.52 | Finetic | works now abrotman thanks alot |
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| 12:12.19 | scx | hello |
| 12:12.32 | scx | i want to download Debian stable |
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| 12:12.42 | scx | i need dm-crypt during installation |
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| 12:13.34 | scx | should i download debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso or debian-update-5.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso? |
| 12:13.46 | jordanm | not the update |
| 12:13.48 | scx | (i want Debian stable for x86) |
| 12:14.11 | jordanm | scx: I am not sure about dm-crypt, but most people want to 150mb netinst cd |
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| 12:15.40 | scx | jordanm: ok, thanks |
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| 12:16.51 | pix| | hi, somehow my locale setting changes from en_uS.UTF-8 to POSIX in X using rxvt if I log in as a user. /etc/default/locale is set correctly, locale-gen doesn't help either and I didn't find any export lines in .bashrc, .zshrc and /etc/environment is blank. Any idea what the problem could be? |
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| 12:18.28 | jordanm | pix|: are you logging in remotely? |
| 12:19.06 | pix| | nope, no ssh |
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| 12:20.02 | Flashtek | E: nwbase: non-standard-toplevel-dir CONTENTS/ |
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| 12:28.32 | Sellfish | hi guys |
| 12:28.38 | Sellfish | have a strange problem. |
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| 12:29.00 | Sellfish | had an really old Firewall set up, with multiple external IPs on one interface |
| 12:29.11 | balzac5000 | Since "update-modules" is deprecated, is there an equivalent command in lenny? |
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| 12:30.17 | gnarface | depmod -a? |
| 12:30.22 | gnarface | i forget |
| 12:30.51 | balzac5000 | gnarface: Thanks for the response! Well that's the tree I'm barking up right now, the manpage on update-modules isn't very telling |
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| 12:40.11 | pix| | so now the locale is set to utf8 after placing an export LANG in .xinitrc but this solution is only user specific. So why is the /etc/default/locale entry not enough? |
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| 12:42.13 | cristi8 | i will have to run a command with lots of parameters.. is there a limit on the parameter number / length i can pass to a command? |
| 12:42.21 | cristi8 | (i am using lenny) |
| 12:42.58 | joltcan | cristi8: Never heard of one |
| 12:43.28 | jordanm | cristi8: never heard of anyone either... just look at the length of libtool and gcc lines when compiling :) |
| 12:44.03 | cristi8 | my command parameters will be bigger then that.. about 500 parameters i think |
| 12:44.06 | joltcan | cristi8: Actually, I have. If you trying to remove thousands of files in a dir, then rm * don't work, but I think that has to do with bash expansions rather than the command line length |
| 12:44.29 | joltcan | cristi8: What are you trying to do with that command= |
| 12:44.30 | jordanm | cristi8: that sounds aweful |
| 12:44.32 | petemc | getconf ARG_MAX |
| 12:44.55 | jordanm | petemc: is that a character limitation? |
| 12:45.01 | cristi8 | i am passing arguments to "convert" (imagemagick utility to convert/modify/edit images) |
| 12:45.05 | petemc | its a kernel limitation |
| 12:45.09 | petemc | you can increase it |
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| 12:45.24 | jordanm | petemc: I mean, is the result the number of characters? |
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| 12:45.45 | gnarface | pix|: dpkg-reconfigure locales, then relog |
| 12:45.48 | joltcan | cristi8: http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/argmax/ |
| 12:45.54 | grante | something bad happened to my remote server. commands like ls and find are coming up no such file or directory. |
| 12:46.00 | grante | and sshd died. |
| 12:46.08 | petemc | i think its bytes |
| 12:46.22 | jordanm | 2010-08-06 08:45 < grante> something bad happened to my remote server. commands like ls and find are coming up no such file |
| 12:46.30 | jordanm | sorry, didn't mean to paste |
| 12:46.40 | pix| | gnarface: doesn't work, furthermore after installing it does the same as locale-gen |
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| 12:46.54 | grante | i've still got one working ssh connection from before the daemon died...wtf would cause that though? |
| 12:46.55 | gnarface | pix|: are you using debian? that always worked for me |
| 12:47.15 | pix| | gnarface: yes, I do |
| 12:47.24 | petemc | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba |
| 12:47.29 | petemc | seems its not longer valid |
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| 12:47.41 | gnarface | pix|: keep in mind that just setting your default locale to utf8 doesn't make the whole system unicode compliant by default. many programs still are missing adequate (or any) utf8 support |
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| 12:48.17 | gnarface | pix|: and many systems (like php for example) must be configured separately, AFTER you set the system locale |
| 12:48.42 | grante | sshd gives me this after trying to connect: *** invalid open64 call: O_CREAT without mode ***: /usr/sbin/sshd terminated |
| 12:48.59 | grante | "/lib/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x37)[0x7f4f8fe15207]" |
| 12:49.03 | pix| | gnarface: I know, I only want the LC_LANG variable set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 12:49.20 | jordanm | grante: is /usr an NFS share? |
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| 12:49.32 | grante | no, everything is on a local drive. |
| 12:49.37 | pix| | gnarface: withouth adding an export LANG for each user |
| 12:49.41 | pix| | gnarface: without |
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| 12:50.02 | gnarface | pix|: telling you *i've* never had to do that. what version of debian are you using? |
| 12:50.08 | jordanm | grante: my guess would be filesystem corruption, or a somehow borked libc6. might not be a very good guess however |
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| 12:51.38 | dissidentss | this is pissing me off so bad right now: |
| 12:51.42 | dissidentss | Running postinst hook script update-grub. |
| 12:51.42 | dissidentss | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
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| 12:52.01 | dissidentss | how can a postrm or preinst script take 10 minutes to change the grub configurations? |
| 12:52.26 | dissidentss | just came here to rant while I wait for it to finish, don't mind me. |
| 12:52.55 | Flashtek | mount /dev/head /mnt/desk -o repeat=infinity |
| 12:52.56 | Innocentus | abrotman: no, it is a hybrid solution |
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| 12:53.13 | jordanm | dissidentss: grub2 (testing/unstable), takes quite a bit longer to generate than grub-legacy. 10min sounds a bit extreme, but yeah... |
| 12:53.18 | Flashtek | dissidentss: is it on /dev/fd0 |
| 12:53.24 | Innocentus | rkaw.pl |
| 12:53.28 | Innocentus | who could be the owner? |
| 12:53.33 | dissidentss | we'll find out when I can access the system |
| 12:53.45 | dissidentss | what sucks is I have linux-bigmem |
| 12:54.00 | dissidentss | so when it replaces the normal kernel (that I don't use) it takes 10 minutes to change the grub configs |
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| 12:54.09 | dissidentss | then it replaces and changes the grub configs for 10 minutes |
| 12:54.16 | dissidentss | then it does it again for the bigmem kernel |
| 12:54.19 | jordanm | dissidentss: uhh, why have the normal kernel meta package installed if you don't want it? |
| 12:54.44 | dissidentss | jordanm: yeah good point, I will be changing that |
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| 12:54.46 | pix| | gnarface: Just tryed dpkg-reconfigure, with log out and after that even rebooting. Nothing changed. I use squeeze |
| 12:55.18 | jordanm | Innocentus: stat <file> or ls -l <file> |
| 12:55.53 | gnarface | pix|: when you answered the questions for locales, you told it to add utf8 as well as to make it the default right? those are separate questions on that control panel |
| 12:57.32 | pix| | gnarface: the first one is just the installing part, the second one asks what locale to write in /etc/default/locale |
| 12:57.55 | pix| | gnarface: So yes, I did. |
| 12:58.31 | gnarface | pix|: i've never had a problem with it. maybe you should update locales? |
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| 13:00.46 | pix| | gnarface: Well, concerning debian testing everything is up-to-date. I could try to mix in the package from unstable or experimental but I doubt it would make a difference. The issue must be somewhere else |
| 13:01.38 | grante | ok, this is weird.... commands like ls and find work for me (my session started before the problems)...but if I su to a different user, they don't work for that user. |
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| 13:02.13 | pozic | How can I download silverlight streams? Moonlight is working, but I just want to have the video and audio data in a format that I can play later. |
| 13:02.25 | grante | is there any way to tell when a package was installed? |
| 13:03.00 | Z4ndX | Does anybody know where i can see what my iptables are blockeing ? |
| 13:03.13 | Z4ndX | What connections and such. |
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| 13:04.32 | D4rKr0W | sudo iptables --list-rules Z4ndX |
| 13:04.47 | jordanm | Z4ndX: you have to be using a --log-* on your target rule |
| 13:05.02 | jordanm | D4rKr0W: I don't think that is what he meant |
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| 13:05.14 | D4rKr0W | yeah i just realized :p |
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| 13:05.36 | Z4ndX | How? I want to know wich connections are blocked. |
| 13:05.54 | jordanm | Z4ndX: see the LOG section of man iptables |
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| 13:07.04 | Strogg | New laptops suck. Bleh. |
| 13:07.22 | D4rKr0W | Strogg: think different, get ripped off by apple! |
| 13:07.30 | Strogg | hehe |
| 13:07.43 | Strogg | I'm trying to get debian on my new acer netbook, and I'm in networking hell |
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| 13:08.12 | jordanm | Strogg: paste the pciid (lspci -nn). what version of debian? |
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| 13:08.14 | D4rKr0W | if it's realtek, don't even bother trying to figure it out, just use the drivers they provide on their websites |
| 13:08.17 | streuner | tell us the output of WLAN and eth (lspci -nn) |
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| 13:08.31 | Strogg | the ethernet doesn't connect right.. the wireless needs a newer driver so the power management doesn't kick in mid download.. hehe |
| 13:08.38 | Strogg | it's an ath9k |
| 13:08.49 | streuner | thats the driver not the hardware |
| 13:08.54 | streuner | (chipset) |
| 13:09.02 | Strogg | getting there.. I can't cut and paste.. one sec |
| 13:09.18 | Strogg | 168c:002b |
| 13:09.33 | Strogg | I'm trying to install debian testing.. I figure that has the best chance for driver support |
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| 13:09.47 | jordanm | ,pciid 168c:002b |
| 13:09.49 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 13:11.13 | Strogg | the debian installer seems to pickup the hardware ok.. I think it's an rfkill issue.. I've been reading some forums and bug posts |
| 13:11.46 | Strogg | anyway.. I've got a usb cdrom here.. I"m in the process of making a jigdo cd.. I just wanted to gripe a bit and release some pressure. :) |
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| 13:17.17 | Strogg | should jigdo be giving me a TON of 404 messages? |
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| 13:23.39 | humbolt | I want to copy a folder full of symlinks and end up with real files. how can I do that? |
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| 13:24.10 | jordanm | humbolt: cp -L |
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| 13:24.38 | gnarface | i thought that was the default behavior? |
| 13:24.41 | freetime | hi , can anybody help me to install vlc 1.2.0 on debian lenny ? |
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| 13:24.51 | humbolt | jordanm: is there a way to do that via nautilus also? |
| 13:24.55 | jordanm | ,versions vlc |
| 13:24.56 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; squeeze: 1.1.1-1; sid: 1.1.2-1; experimental: 1.1.2-1+exp1 |
| 13:25.00 | jordanm | humbolt: don't know |
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| 13:25.28 | jordanm | freetime: that version is not in debian. if you want to use it, you will need to get support from upstream |
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| 13:26.36 | freetime | jordanm: i want to use it , how can i get support from upstream? |
| 13:26.53 | jelly | !vlc |
| 13:26.53 | dpkg | [vlc] VLC media player, a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project, packaged for Debian. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Embedded video is buggy in 0.9.x, see http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=51124 and VLC ticket #2136; resolved as of version 1.0.0. http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.html #videolan on irc.videolan.org. |
| 13:27.10 | jelly | freetime: that might be a better channel to ask |
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| 13:28.15 | freetime | jelly: ok thanks |
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| 13:32.39 | grante | If libc6 was upgraded without rebooting...could that cause my sshd problems? will a reboot help, or make it worse? |
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| 13:34.21 | jelly | grante: upgraded from what to what, if you know? |
| 13:35.05 | grante | jelly: don't know which versions. |
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| 13:35.53 | jelly | grante: which debian release are you using? |
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| 13:36.41 | jelly | grante: is it a real machine of some sort of vm or vps? uname -a? |
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| 13:37.03 | grante | i'm not actually using debian...ubuntu 10.04. |
| 13:37.15 | jelly | grante: try asking in the correct channel, then. |
| 13:37.22 | grante | yeah. |
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| 13:37.40 | jelly | or reproduce the issue with a Debian release then come ask here |
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| 13:38.20 | jelly | or contact your vendor for commercial support |
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| 13:42.31 | Strogg | Is there a way to disable power management from /proc or /sys? |
| 13:44.02 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: why would you want to do that? |
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| 13:44.49 | thrashold | If two packages conflict with each other, but there isn't an actual conflict (it's just that they are supposed to be used together over a network socket, but the support for such communications is flaky), is this a bug? |
| 13:45.06 | Strogg | dondelelcaro: because the power management stuff keeps turning off my wireless and ethernet |
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| 13:45.27 | Strogg | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to do a network install, but my network keeps going away |
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| 13:47.31 | TZug | i wrote a driver module for my own pci card one feature is a proprietary lcd device which I want to use to display early data from the bootup phase. the driver is working if i set it up manually (address) in a script in initramfs-tools but as the address varies from System to System I'm in need to figure out the ports which are assigned to my pci-card (inside the initramfs during bootup) |
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| 13:49.56 | TZug | in user mode i would use lspci and grep to get the information but inside the initramfs i get the message that lspci is missing some libraries. No can I stubidly put all the missing libraries somehow inside the initramfs or is there a lspci-like program with all linked libraries available somewhere? |
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| 13:56.12 | FrieT | guys; question: how do i make dpkg forget about an installed package? I do not want it to know it's around. |
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| 13:57.32 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 13:57.32 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. " |
| 13:57.39 | jelly | "! |
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| 13:57.58 | JordiGH | Freeze! :D |
| 13:58.19 | jelly | hands up |
| 13:58.35 | JordiGH | Got it from d-d-a twelve minutes ago. |
| 13:58.46 | jelly | what, the doublequote? |
| 13:58.56 | JordiGH | No, the freeze. |
| 13:59.46 | the-dude | \o/ |
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| 14:00.24 | jelly | TZug: I presume you dont want to inspect /sys/devices/pci* manually |
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| 14:01.04 | jelly | TZug: why not ask people in ##kernel or lkml how to properly figure out the resources |
| 14:01.05 | D4rKr0W | uhh, guys, has php5 been upgraded in lenny? |
| 14:01.17 | jelly | judd: versions php5 |
| 14:01.18 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1; sid: 5.3.2-2; experimental: 5.3.3-1 |
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| 14:03.00 | D4rKr0W | oh, thanks, i just saw i missed the security announcement |
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| 14:04.42 | D4rKr0W | jelly: that info judd posted is not accurate though |
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| 14:05.05 | D4rKr0W | 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9 is the security update |
| 14:05.05 | jelly | D4rKr0W: it will be in about 6+ hours |
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| 14:06.26 | D4rKr0W | good :) |
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| 14:06.55 | TZug | jelly: /sys/dev/pci* is a nice tip I'll have a look into it if I can extract the nessesarry information by myself. lspci would have been a much easier way to go (if worked from skratch) |
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| 14:07.08 | kri5 | Hi there |
| 14:07.24 | kri5 | I got some problem with dns resolution on a stable lenny |
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| 14:08.07 | kri5 | i've nslookup and ping resolving correctly the hostnames, but for example apt-get does not |
| 14:08.11 | kri5 | any ideas? |
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| 14:14.27 | gnarface | kri5: does apt-get update fail completely, or are you just seeing hostnames other than the ones listed in your sources.list? |
| 14:15.34 | pasquale | manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 14:15.34 | pasquale | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.30 | Mr_Queue | Squeeze is frozen.... Nice. |
| 14:18.51 | JordiGH | Woo! |
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| 14:19.00 | gnarface | exciting |
| 14:19.07 | gnarface | how long does it usually take till it goes stable after that? |
| 14:19.13 | gnarface | historically i mean? |
| 14:19.27 | Mr_Queue | few months |
| 14:19.38 | JordiGH | 4-6 months. |
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| 14:19.59 | JordiGH | We're doing pretty well, though. I think the RC bug count right now is lower than in past freezes. |
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| 14:20.25 | Mr_Queue | I havent looked at that number. |
| 14:20.49 | JordiGH | Mr_Queue: When the green hits the bottom, release party! http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 14:21.26 | JordiGH | Welll, the official RC bug count is notoriously pessimistic. |
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| 14:22.55 | kri5 | gnarface: it fail resolving, for example, ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 14:23.14 | kri5 | gnarface: my ntp daemon fail also to resolve hosts |
| 14:23.33 | kri5 | gnarface: but when i try to resolve thoses hosts with nslookup, it works... :/ |
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| 14:24.26 | JordiGH | Mr_Queue: siyh: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=squeeze |
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| 14:33.16 | lfaraone | long live the freeze! |
| 14:33.40 | Argafal | yay, that's good news |
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| 14:34.14 | cast | lenny froze?! |
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| 14:34.22 | cast | no wait, the one after |
| 14:34.22 | Argafal | cast: lenny? |
| 14:34.25 | Argafal | :) |
| 14:34.59 | cast | it still feels like etch was stable for only a blink of an eye |
| 14:35.12 | Argafal | squeeze is frozen. there was a mail a few minutes ago on d-d-a |
| 14:35.19 | cast | now woody, that was out long enough to get familar with |
| 14:35.21 | kri5 | gnarface: no idea? |
| 14:35.53 | gnarface | kri5: maybe one of your dns servers is broken? |
| 14:36.19 | Orbixx | How do I install Sun Java on Lenny? |
| 14:36.27 | kri5 | no it works, it is hosted on the machine that can't resolve hostnames |
| 14:36.43 | kri5 | but other machine are using this one as DNS server, and it works |
| 14:37.09 | Orbixx | Nevermind, non-free I think it is. |
| 14:37.20 | gnarface | kri5: your firewall or your hosting providor blocking you maybe? |
| 14:38.33 | gnarface | kri5: you have a local nameserver and it is also the one the system that hosts the nameserver is using in /etc/resolv.conf and that is the only nameserver in said /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 14:38.50 | kri5 | doesn't seem to, because it's only on the machine that hosts the DNS server, that i can't resolve hostname, and only with certain binaries |
| 14:38.55 | kri5 | yes |
| 14:39.12 | kri5 | on this machine the nameserver is set to 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:39.17 | kri5 | so yes |
| 14:39.33 | gnarface | is this a godaddy server, kri5 ? |
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| 14:39.54 | kri5 | godaddy? |
| 14:40.00 | gnarface | the hosting providor |
| 14:40.13 | kri5 | nop |
| 14:40.21 | kri5 | it's hosted locally |
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| 14:40.45 | gnarface | do the resolution failures show up in your bind9 logs? |
| 14:40.52 | kri5 | nop |
| 14:41.01 | gnarface | is selinux active? |
| 14:41.03 | kri5 | it seems like it doesn't try to resolve |
| 14:41.09 | kri5 | nop |
| 14:41.21 | kri5 | like with apt-get it doesn't try to resolve |
| 14:41.32 | kri5 | but when i do a nslookup, it appears in the bind logs |
| 14:41.50 | gnarface | i've never messed with apt-get enough to know if you even CAN screw up it's name lookup settings |
| 14:41.54 | cast | is samba secure enough to be usable over the internet without vpns? |
| 14:42.02 | gnarface | cast: fucking hell no |
| 14:42.21 | cast | never used samba before, |
| 14:42.22 | kri5 | gnarface: it does the same with ntp too |
| 14:42.48 | gnarface | kri5: have you recently done an upgrade from one debian distro to another? |
| 14:42.52 | kri5 | so i thinked about a broken libc, with problem in name resolution function, so i got them up to date |
| 14:42.57 | kri5 | no |
| 14:42.58 | cast | hmm, doesnt sound competitive with NFSv4 |
| 14:43.00 | f00li5h | meow |
| 14:43.06 | kri5 | it was lenny at first and still is |
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| 14:43.22 | gnarface | cast: never use samba if you can use nfs instead |
| 14:43.31 | kri5 | or i haven't been noticed about such a thing |
| 14:43.51 | f00li5h | anyone avle to nudge me in the right direction for 1394 support? |
| 14:44.18 | f00li5h | i wanna mount a disk... |
| 14:44.19 | gnarface | kri5: it's a puzzle to me. what happens if you try a traceroute -T to the ip address that you get when you nslookup ftp.us.debian.org ? |
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| 14:44.51 | JordiGH | /topic SQUEEZE FROZEN WOOP WOOP WOOP |
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| 14:45.00 | gnarface | f00li5h: you mean firewire? should be a stock part of all the modern kernels, if your hardware is supported it should turn on automatically |
| 14:45.18 | f00li5h | gnarface: card added after the install |
| 14:45.35 | f00li5h | but firewire, sure |
| 14:45.51 | gnarface | f00li5h: won't matter. all the drivers are part of the kernel. only the needed ones load (usually) |
| 14:45.56 | f00li5h | also, what is "modern"? |
| 14:46.10 | gnarface | f00li5h: whatever is stock in lenny or later |
| 14:46.10 | kri5 | gnarface: http://pastebin.org/451055 |
| 14:46.36 | gnarface | kri5: pick one and traceroute to it |
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| 14:46.46 | gnarface | kri5: hell, pick two |
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| 14:46.58 | f00li5h | gnarface: 2.6.26? |
| 14:47.07 | laust | hi all |
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| 14:47.21 | gnarface | f00li5h: unless you've got very new hardware, yea that will probably be satisfactory. |
| 14:47.40 | gnarface | f00li5h: just plug the damned drive in and check dmesg to see if it detects it hotplugging |
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| 14:48.06 | D4rKr0W | hurrah for debian :D |
| 14:48.07 | f00li5h | gnarface: box is far away... i'll check the logs |
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| 14:48.26 | karlpinc | f00li5h: Check dmesg too. |
| 14:48.56 | kri5 | gnarface: http://pastebin.org/451057 |
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| 14:49.03 | gnarface | man i wish xchat's /topic support didn't choke to hell on unicode characters :( |
| 14:49.29 | f00li5h | [2598870.208519] scsi1 : SBP-2 IEEE-1394 |
| 14:49.38 | f00li5h | looks... helpful |
| 14:49.56 | gnarface | f00li5h: it should list a /dev entry you can mount |
| 14:49.59 | gnarface | i think |
| 14:50.31 | f00li5h | gnarface: ok |
| 14:50.31 | gnarface | kri5: those pauses look a bit dodgy ... tell me does the output change if you run the same traceroute a few times in a row? |
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| 14:52.10 | kri5 | gnarface: yes |
| 14:52.17 | kri5 | sometimes there is not stars |
| 14:52.35 | abrotman | mtr ? |
| 14:52.48 | abrotman | gnarface: it doesn't choke on unicode, you have it configured wrong |
| 14:52.57 | gnarface | kri5: kindof a mystery to me but someting's hella wrong |
| 14:53.03 | gnarface | abrotman: oh? what do i change? |
| 14:53.27 | abrotman | i'd guess either fonts or locales .. i don't know which topic you're looking at |
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| 14:54.10 | gnarface | abrotman: the one JordiGH just set - it blanked out my topic line |
| 14:54.12 | karlpinc | kri5: You can start with the lan. Do a flood ping to your gateway and see if there's not something wrong with the wiring. |
| 14:54.29 | abrotman | he can't set the topic here ? |
| 14:54.33 | karlpinc | kri5: Your net connection could be plogged as well. |
| 14:54.53 | gnarface | abrotman: "SQUEEZE FROZEN WOOP WOOP WOOP" isn't the current topic? |
| 14:55.02 | abrotman | gnarface: no, he can't change that here ... |
| 14:55.02 | kri5 | karlpinc: the dns server is also the gateway ^^ |
| 14:55.11 | gnarface | abrotman: weird cause i've got ... no topic listed now |
| 14:55.13 | abrotman | gnarface: just type "/topic", and it will return |
| 14:55.15 | jhutchins_lt | Where does the news of the squeeze freeze come from? |
| 14:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | It's not on the news page. |
| 14:55.22 | gnarface | weird |
| 14:55.23 | f00li5h | gnarface: seems to mount... thanks |
| 14:55.29 | gnarface | f00li5h: hah, np. |
| 14:55.29 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: there was some on debian-announce and some on debian-devel-announce |
| 14:56.02 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: it is in the web archives, /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 14:56.28 | karlpinc | kri5: You can also check dmesg and the logs to see whether the kernel is trying to tell you something. |
| 14:56.52 | jhutchins_lt | So does this mean the bet pays out? |
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| 14:57.12 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: I thought the bet was on the release. |
| 14:57.13 | kri5 | karlpinc: just looked |
| 14:57.17 | kri5 | nothing special |
| 14:57.23 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: the bet is for release, not freeze |
| 14:57.25 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Prob'ly. |
| 14:57.45 | karlpinc | kri5: Can you flood ping to confirm your lan is working? |
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| 14:58.20 | TZug | jelly: /sys/dev/pci* is way to much troubble to get the information i found with /proc/bus/pci/devices a much easier way, and as grep and awk seem to work at that stage its childplay |
| 14:58.38 | kri5 | karlpinc: yes it does work |
| 14:58.47 | TZug | jelly: thanks for the push in the right direction |
| 14:58.54 | kri5 | and i'm working on this machine throught lan with ssh |
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| 14:59.32 | karlpinc | kri5: Then it's either your gateway, your local link to the net, or something at your ISP or further out. |
| 14:59.36 | abrotman | TZug: i think /sys/ is the way forward, but up to you |
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| 14:59.55 | kri5 | karlpinc: the what i don't understand |
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| 15:00.03 | kri5 | is why with the same configuration |
| 15:00.07 | karlpinc | kri5: All your paste really seems to say, to me, is that dns is having a problem. |
| 15:00.32 | kri5 | dns resolution work with nslookup |
| 15:01.22 | karlpinc | kri5: If dns is slow then the local request can time out. Meanwhile the dns server is still working at it and eventually gets a response, which is cached. The next time you ask you get an answer from the cache. |
| 15:01.25 | kri5 | but not with apt-get for example |
| 15:01.27 | kri5 | or ntp |
| 15:01.42 | TZug | abrotman: is /proc/bus/pci/devices going to be obsolete or beeing substituted in the near future? |
| 15:02.14 | abrotman | TZug: i thought the kernel stuff was moving toward /sys/, but i could be wrong |
| 15:02.28 | kri5 | karlpinc: what i really don't understand, is that others machine that relies on the dns works, but the machine hosting the dns does partially... |
| 15:02.39 | karlpinc | TZug: Depends on "near". Sooner or later it'll be unsupported, or so I hear. This is all 2nd hand. |
| 15:03.11 | karlpinc | kri5: The dns server is debian? What's in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 15:03.18 | kri5 | yes the dns server is debian |
| 15:03.42 | kri5 | and it's resolv.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
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| 15:04.18 | karlpinc | kri5: FWIW, 127.0.0.1 is the default. |
| 15:04.29 | kri5 | and for the other machine it's pretty much the same but with 127.0.0.1 replaced by the dns server |
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| 15:05.37 | kri5 | it's normal to have 127.0.0.1 on the machine that host the dns |
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| 15:07.19 | kri5 | isn't it? |
| 15:07.21 | Finetic | are there any better flash plugins for iceweasel known than gnash? |
| 15:07.28 | Finetic | this doesn't work on like half of the online flash apps |
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| 15:08.30 | karlpinc | kri5: Yes. |
| 15:08.43 | jelly | Finetic: Adobe Flash is typically more compatible with Adobe Flash. |
| 15:08.59 | kri5 | so everything seems fine |
| 15:09.03 | karlpinc | kri5: Do you have another name server, like the avahi thing that does mdns, installed on the dns server? |
| 15:09.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly: as long as your version of flash is compatible with the version of flash you wish to be compatible with |
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| 15:09.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/flash/ adobe flash/ |
| 15:09.28 | kri5 | do not know |
| 15:09.34 | jelly | Kamping_Kaiser: naturally |
| 15:09.41 | kri5 | karlpinc: if some service installed by default does it, maybe |
| 15:09.45 | jelly | !adobe flash |
| 15:09.45 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for testing users, or from backports.org. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 15:09.50 | kri5 | karlpinc: but i really don't know |
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| 15:09.54 | kri5 | how could i? |
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| 15:10.06 | karlpinc | kri5: That could cause timeout issues. And IIRC it is installed by default. You could use aptitude search ~iavahi to check. |
| 15:10.27 | karlpinc | kri5: ssh will work when other stuff won't. The packets are small and infreqnent. FYI. |
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| 15:10.53 | kri5 | p avahi-dnsconfd - Avahi DNS configuration tool |
| 15:10.56 | kri5 | ? |
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| 15:11.09 | karlpinc | kri5: p means uninstalled but not purged. |
| 15:11.55 | karlpinc | kri5: See what dig says. It's a lot more informative than nslookup. |
| 15:12.57 | kri5 | karlpinc: ok, on ftp.us.debian.org for example? |
| 15:13.34 | karlpinc | kri5: Sure. It'll tell you things like which server it used, etc. |
| 15:13.50 | kri5 | karlpinc: http://pastebin.org/451093 |
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| 15:15.59 | abelix | hi |
| 15:16.31 | martin_ | I run debian stable, but I want to change it into unstable without having to completely reinstall. Can that be done? |
| 15:16.33 | kri5 | karlpinc: dns resolution seems to work like it should with dig |
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| 15:17.09 | abelix | got a quick question... at debian lennys install, with crypted lvm, why can't it mount swap? |
| 15:17.13 | kri5 | karlpinc: but with apt-get for example, it does not : http://pastebin.org/451103 |
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| 15:17.26 | qwd | martin_: yes, just edit your sources.list |
| 15:17.30 | cast | abelix: swap isnt mounted |
| 15:17.39 | karlpinc | kri5: dig works. |
| 15:17.50 | abrotman | martin_: please don't do that |
| 15:18.08 | abelix | cast after the partition table i get an error msg that says that it failed to mount swap |
| 15:18.10 | karlpinc | kri5: Just to finish with the dns server, try "rndc flushname ftp.us.debian.org" and dig again to see what happens when it's not cached. |
| 15:18.12 | abrotman | martin_: if you're asking how to get to unstable, you probably shouldn't be running it |
| 15:18.25 | martin_ | qwd: I tried that, I changed `lenny` into `sid`, update, dist-upgrade - everything went horribly wrong. Can it be done successfully? |
| 15:18.29 | gnarface | kri5: just for the hell of it, why don't you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file ? |
| 15:18.47 | abrotman | martin_: do you realize that unstable breaks, some times badly? |
| 15:18.57 | martin_ | abrotman: the thing is, I don't want to run with a year+ old software (gimp, inkscape, ...) |
| 15:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... the "sid upgrade test" factoid... is a tiny bit unfriendly? |
| 15:19.14 | karlpinc | kri5: The next step is to use "getent hosts foo" to do the lookup and look at, iirc, /etc/nsswitch.conf. |
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| 15:19.18 | abrotman | so try squeeze instead |
| 15:19.21 | qwd | martin_: ah well, then sid isn't the solution anyway |
| 15:19.25 | abrotman | !tell martin_ about lenny->squeeze |
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| 15:19.43 | karlpinc | !sns |
| 15:19.43 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 15:19.49 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: seems fine to me! |
| 15:19.52 | martin_ | qwd: I thought squeeze was the testing one? |
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| 15:19.57 | abrotman | use squeeze |
| 15:20.26 | TZug | how do i get the information wich driver is used for eth0 ? |
| 15:20.38 | abrotman | TZug: ethtool or lspci -k |
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| 15:21.50 | muczy | hi |
| 15:22.18 | muczy | i'm using ecryptfs to encrypt my home folder, pam unlocks this folder, so this is ok |
| 15:22.24 | martin_ | if I change lenny into squeezy in sources.list, should I then keep the volatile ones? |
| 15:22.36 | muczy | however i would like to unlock my ssh key with libpam-ssh too |
| 15:22.44 | abrotman | martin_: you can |
| 15:22.51 | muczy | but after using ecryptfs, libpam-ssh doesn't unloc my ssh key |
| 15:22.54 | muczy | any ideas? |
| 15:22.59 | martin_ | abrotman: thx |
| 15:23.18 | martin_ | abrotman: what about the 'proposed-updates' ? |
| 15:24.06 | abrotman | i'd take them out .. but it's up to you |
| 15:24.24 | martin_ | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:24.34 | gps23 | hi |
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| 15:25.18 | gps23 | i have upgraded my kernel and now vmware fails to start, i have investigated that various modules like vmmon are missing. how can i correct this? |
| 15:25.47 | Wanderer | Anyone have a problem with lenny? All of a sudden I'm geting this: /usr/bin/scp: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libkeyutils.so.1: invalid ELF header |
| 15:25.47 | cast | stop using vmware :) |
| 15:25.57 | Wanderer | I'm not the only root user, but I don't know of any major changes to the box |
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| 15:26.10 | Wanderer | it's up todate on patches, updates, etc |
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| 15:26.28 | Wanderer | googling isn't finding much other than a.out issues from 08 |
| 15:26.37 | gps23 | cast: i would have stopped, but i have virtual machines to run, so I can't switch to anything else |
| 15:26.37 | karlpinc | Wanderer: Better check dmesg and /var/log/messages to see if the disk has been acting up and corrupting data. |
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| 15:27.01 | Wanderer | karlpinc: I've done an fsck and re-installed the package. I also md5' the lib in Q against a known good box |
| 15:27.06 | cast | gps23: then consult vmware for support |
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| 15:27.33 | karlpinc | Wanderer: If your disk is failing that might not help. What did the md5 say? |
| 15:27.39 | gps23 | cast: using debian, so i thought someone here might have encountered same scenario |
| 15:27.49 | kri5 | karlpinc: getent hosts just give me the localhost |
| 15:27.51 | Wanderer | md5 gave me a hash that matched the known good host |
| 15:27.52 | kri5 | is that normal? |
| 15:28.08 | gps23 | cast: will try #vmware also |
| 15:28.23 | syn4pse | i need to autoexecute a shellscript when X starts ( it uses an xrandr command to adjust my monitors ) anybody knows where to put that script ;) ? |
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| 15:28.33 | karlpinc | kri5: What? |
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| 15:28.42 | pfuender | does anyone have experience with usb-ethernet adapters? would like to use them for network-debugging purposes.. are they running stable? speed doesn't really matter. |
| 15:28.46 | TZug | i installed debian 5 on an Atom board and wanted to try it on an older Atlon too, so I moved the HDD to the Atlon Board. everything is working but the network device via_rhine is loaded but no eth0 shown with ifconfig. did (rm -f /dev/udev/rules.d/70-persitent-net-rules) and restarted but no eth0. what else to do there to get my NIC back online? |
| 15:28.48 | kri5 | life:~# getent hosts |
| 15:28.49 | kri5 | 127.0.0.1 localhost life life.gpp.isartdigital.com. |
| 15:29.02 | homie | whoah |
| 15:29.02 | kri5 | well |
| 15:29.11 | kri5 | karlpinc: i gotta |
| 15:29.12 | kri5 | go |
| 15:29.12 | homie | my debian is crashing ... |
| 15:29.25 | kri5 | they are kicking me out of my office |
| 15:29.27 | karlpinc | kri5: You need to put a hostname at the end of that command. |
| 15:29.34 | kri5 | i'll see it on monday |
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| 15:29.47 | karlpinc | !tell homie about errors |
| 15:29.48 | kri5 | karlpinc: thanks for wasting time |
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| 15:32.11 | homie | it froze again here |
| 15:32.21 | homie | stuttering ...endlessly |
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| 15:35.42 | eSa| | hi, i'm using compiz on squeeze/gnome. i've triggered echo "export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/compiz" >> ~/.gnomerc as suggested on debian wiki but @ the moment window decorations are gone. ccsm shows the compelling plugins are enabled. any suggestion? |
| 15:35.48 | gnarface | homie: lots of people are having trouble with icedove 3 :( it's suffered some serious regressions, performance-wise: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/08/05/1832205 |
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| 15:36.14 | pozic | gnarface: no, it has not. |
| 15:36.34 | gnarface | pozic: do tell. |
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| 15:36.45 | pozic | gnarface: I have about 20000 mails. Performance is good. |
| 15:37.02 | gnarface | pozic: and how many cpu cores? how much ram? got a raid array too? |
| 15:37.21 | pozic | gnarface: I am a critical user and I am one of the first to say software sucks. |
| 15:37.31 | Wanderer | karlpinc: is there a way with dpkg to check the files md5 that should be installed? (look for a corrupt file?) |
| 15:37.48 | pozic | gnarface: 2, 4GB, but not more than 2 is ever in use by everything on a laptop. |
| 15:37.48 | stoove | hi, i'm have succesfully built my own debian install cd. what is the best way to update/add/remove packages from the cds "repository"? |
| 15:38.32 | stoove | when adding a new package i want automatic depdency resolving, so simply moveing the package to pool/ won't do |
| 15:38.57 | gnarface | pozic: http://perfprotector.blogspot.com/2010/08/thunderbird-3-is-it-really-all-yours.html people are complaining - the benchmarks are looking ugly too. |
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| 15:40.56 | michalxo | hello all! I have some weird issue with Impress... after loading .pps file it automatically turns on presentation. I press ESC to quit slideshow and WHOLE OOo exits :-( |
| 15:41.15 | michalxo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:45.40 | pozic | gnarface: Those guys have commercial motives. Thunderbird 3 does things differently than Thunderbird 2. In daily usage it is absolutely _great_. |
| 15:45.55 | pfuender | michalxo, rename it to .ppt and it should work.. can't test atm.. |
| 15:46.00 | pozic | gnarface: it is like GMail in search capabilities, but locally. |
| 15:46.04 | FabParma | i need to provide a very verbose processes list with dependences, zombies and more because i need to find the cause of a very strange behavior in the shutdown process. do you know some tool or maybe a special string to capture everything is working and save it as file? |
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| 15:46.26 | michalxo | pfuender thank you! :-) |
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| 15:47.03 | pfuender | michalxo, welcome ;-) |
| 15:47.38 | Finetic | actually, how cme there is no flash on debian yet? |
| 15:47.44 | Finetic | does anyone know? flash is used al ot |
| 15:47.51 | zobel | its non-free |
| 15:47.53 | Finetic | apart from very crappy support |
| 15:47.56 | Finetic | ah |
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| 15:48.01 | gnarface | Finetic: because adobe fucking hates linux from the very bottom of their hearts |
| 15:48.13 | Finetic | ok i dont know the whole story then |
| 15:48.22 | Finetic | but, aren't there any better solutions than gnash |
| 15:48.32 | pozic | Finetic: there is Flash on Debian |
| 15:48.42 | Finetic | which is better than gnash? |
| 15:48.45 | pozic | Finetic: just in another repo. |
| 15:48.55 | Finetic | pozic: can u explain how i can get it? |
| 15:48.59 | gnarface | Finetic: if you're on amd64 hardware you will have problems though |
| 15:49.00 | pozic | Finetic: the official one from Adobe obviously. |
| 15:49.07 | Finetic | not on amd |
| 15:49.09 | pozic | gnarface: since when? |
| 15:49.11 | Finetic | pozic: how? |
| 15:49.16 | pozic | gnarface: really, you sound clueless. |
| 15:49.25 | gnarface | pozic: fuck you |
| 15:49.35 | maligor | pozic, heh, adobe has removed amd64 version |
| 15:49.36 | pozic | gnarface: are you hot? |
| 15:49.49 | pozic | maligor: no, they didn't. |
| 15:49.58 | maligor | oh, do tell |
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| 15:50.01 | pozic | maligor: but I understand what you refer to. |
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| 15:50.17 | gnarface | pozic: the amd64 build that made it to alpha got removed. so it's hard to find now. "problems" == nspluginwrapper or whatever that thing is || installing into 32-bit chroot jails |
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| 15:51.11 | Finetic | i extract the .gz i get from adobe site |
| 15:51.13 | pozic | We are fully committed to bringing native 64-bit Flash Player for the desktop by providing native support for Windows, Macintosh, and Linux 64-bit platforms in an upcoming major release of Flash Player |
| 15:51.15 | Finetic | and it c ontains a .so file |
| 15:51.17 | Finetic | what should I do with it? |
| 15:51.25 | pozic | gnarface: get a clue, thank you very much. |
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| 15:51.37 | gnarface | pozic: do you work with them or something? that's been up there since LAST YEAR |
| 15:51.51 | pozic | gnarface: so, maybe they have a lot of work to do. |
| 15:51.52 | gnarface | "committed" - my ass |
| 15:51.59 | maligor | Finetic, there's a package for it |
| 15:52.06 | maligor | I think it was in non-free |
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| 15:52.10 | pozic | gnarface: I can still see my Youtube on x86-64 on Linux. |
| 15:52.13 | Finetic | maligor: where do I download? |
| 15:52.40 | xyan | enable the non-free repo and aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 15:53.28 | gnarface | pozic: me too, congratulations for being literate |
| 15:53.59 | maligor | pozic, congratulations for using vulnerable software |
| 15:54.36 | pozic | maligor: congratulations for thinking it is even possible to use a browser while not being vulnerable. |
| 15:54.46 | maligor | amusing |
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| 15:54.54 | maligor | I think I'll just ignore your ignorance |
| 15:54.55 | pozic | maligor: or even a computer in the first place. |
| 15:54.58 | gps23 | i am using kernel 2.6.34. how can i get kernel headers for this? |
| 15:55.02 | qwd | Squeeze is frozen! |
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| 15:55.24 | xyan | gps23: wget eu.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.34.tar.bz2 |
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| 15:56.08 | gps23 | xyan: i think its kernel source. i need kernel headers. |
| 15:56.13 | freeone3000 | Why not install linux-headers-2.6.34? |
| 15:56.23 | freeone3000 | And of course the source includes the headers. |
| 15:56.36 | xyan | gps23: there are no headers for 2.6.34 packaged, grab the source instead |
| 15:56.44 | gps23 | freeone3000: there isn't any package linux-headers-2.6.34 |
| 15:57.10 | gps23 | freeone3000: xyan: i have the source, i have compiled and using it, but vmware is asking for kernel headers |
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| 15:57.28 | gps23 | and i have no idea where to get them |
| 15:57.28 | xyan | point it to the dir where you compiled the kernel |
| 15:57.37 | freeone3000 | gps23: The kernels are in the same dir as the source. You have to set an environment variable for VBox; dunno if VMWare's the same. |
| 15:58.16 | xyan | gps23: or just symlink to /usr/src/linux and it should be autodetected by chance |
| 15:58.24 | maligor | gps23, it's quite useful to use kernel-package if you want to build your own kernels |
| 15:58.44 | gps23 | freeone3000: xyan: trying the suggestions |
| 15:59.09 | gps23 | maligor: everything worked well, except this foolish vmware |
| 15:59.40 | maligor | gps23, nontheless, kernel-package will build you a deb out of it and make all the header paths right |
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| 16:00.29 | gps23 | maligor: i think i used kernel-package only, i still have .deb file lying in the directory. |
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| 16:01.19 | gps23 | freeone3000: not taking headers, using this path /home/gurpreet/kernel/linux-2.6.34/include |
| 16:01.22 | maligor | strange that vmware would bug you about it then, ofcourse vmware is rather outside the channel scope :P |
| 16:01.48 | gps23 | maligor: i understand, so i just asked about headers thing in my earlier question :p |
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| 16:03.44 | maligor | I think module build scripts these days look under /lib/modules/kernel_version/build tho |
| 16:04.54 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 16:05.01 | freeone3000 | gps23: VBox wants "/home/gurpreet/kernel/linux-2.6.34", in that case. Apples and oranges, perhaps. |
| 16:05.14 | gps23 | freeone3000: tried that too, not working |
| 16:05.14 | Agiofws | i just installed apt-get install gspca-modules-2.6-486 how do i load the module into the kernel ? |
| 16:05.28 | Agiofws | to make it see my cam with out rebooting ? |
| 16:05.34 | freeone3000 | Agiofws: It should be loaded. If it's not, `modprobe gspca` |
| 16:05.34 | FabParma | how to create a verbose processes list with kernel dependences, zombies and more if is possible. how to capture everything is working and save it as file? |
| 16:05.53 | freeone3000 | FabParma: ps {options} > file.dat |
| 16:05.55 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# modprobe gspca |
| 16:05.56 | Agiofws | FATAL: Module gspca not found. |
| 16:05.56 | Agiofws | freeone3000, |
| 16:06.04 | freeone3000 | Agiofws: Then figure out what that module's called. |
| 16:06.18 | gps23 | freeone3000: maligor: i figure if i rebuild kernel and make sure some directory come in /usr/src/ then vmware might work |
| 16:06.35 | Agiofws | Reading state information... Done |
| 16:06.37 | Agiofws | gspca-modules-2.6-486 is already the newest version. |
| 16:07.25 | freeone3000 | Agiofws: `modprobe -l` . Something resembling that name installed? |
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| 16:08.18 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# modprobe -l | grep -i gsp |
| 16:08.18 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# |
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| 16:10.11 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Agiofws about webcam |
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| 16:12.46 | Agiofws | !tell Agiofws gspca |
| 16:13.15 | Agiofws | !tell gspca |
| 16:13.42 | Agiofws | !tell Agiofws about gspca |
| 16:14.08 | xyan | just type gspca into the query with dpkg.. |
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| 16:16.18 | Finetic | somebody have flash good working on debian? |
| 16:16.21 | Finetic | on most sites? |
| 16:16.24 | Finetic | non gnash |
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| 16:18.38 | xyan | Finetic: sure (well good != good flash sucks and hogs the cpu) |
| 16:18.53 | Finetic | xyan: what version do you run? |
| 16:18.57 | Finetic | or what plugin? |
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| 16:19.34 | xyan | adobes official, latest 10.something |
| 16:19.57 | xyan | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:19.59 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
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| 16:22.50 | Finetic | xyan: how do i install this? u have tutorial somewhere |
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| 16:23.33 | xyan | here it comes 1) add the backports mirror 2) aptitude update 3) aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:23.48 | Judge-- | Hello.. The correct ISO for a Pentium 4 should be the i386, right? |
| 16:23.55 | xyan | !tell Finetic about bpo |
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| 16:24.30 | xyan | Judge--: yes unless its an pentium 4 extreme edition with 64bit capability |
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| 16:25.37 | Judge-- | xyan haha, alright. One more question, If I have to install it from a USB card, I can use the standard ISO? |
| 16:25.38 | Finetic | xyan: in which file do i add this? |
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| 16:26.33 | xyan | Finetic: read what dpkg said example for your ???? |
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| 16:26.45 | icebrain | !tell Judge-- about usb install |
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| 16:28.28 | flo` | hi |
| 16:28.36 | icebrain | hi flo` |
| 16:28.43 | krion | anyone with knowing of american culture here ? |
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| 16:28.51 | flo` | how do i have to setup my sources.list to be able to use single packages from sid, but usually the packages from lenny? |
| 16:29.02 | jhutchins_lt | Finetic: It gets tricky if you're on amd64. |
| 16:29.02 | krion | i wonder who is it call when you order beer+wishky at the same time in a bar |
| 16:29.09 | krion | s/who/how/ |
| 16:29.21 | jhutchins_lt | krion: Boilermaker |
| 16:29.35 | icebrain | flo`: don't mix packages from sid, it's not safe |
| 16:29.46 | icebrain | flo`: have you checked the backports? |
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| 16:29.54 | Judge-- | great, thank you |
| 16:29.54 | jhutchins_lt | krion: To do it properly, you drop the shot glass into the beer, chug the beer and catch the shot glass in your teeth. |
| 16:29.55 | flo` | icebrain, i need a single package on which almost no packages depend |
| 16:29.55 | krion | thanks jhutchins_lt ! |
| 16:30.01 | flo` | (cwiid for using my wiimote) |
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| 16:30.13 | moldovean | flo`, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:30.39 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Much safer to use the ssb process to properly repackage it than to use the sid package. |
| 16:31.25 | Finetic | xyan: its removing like everything now lol |
| 16:31.35 | Finetic | after i type 'yes' |
| 16:31.42 | flo` | hrrrm... when i have to compile it on my own, then i want a brand new version (git)... how can i make a package from it then |
| 16:31.46 | Finetic | is this normal? |
| 16:31.48 | xyan | Finetic: what the heck did you do? |
| 16:31.52 | xyan | Finetic: no of course not |
| 16:32.07 | icebrain | flo`: easy way, /msg dpkg checkinstall |
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| 16:33.36 | flo` | this is nice... really nice :) |
| 16:33.39 | flo` | thanks ;) |
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| 16:35.01 | flo` | btw, is there some way to install packages "temporarily" with aptitude? |
| 16:35.14 | flo` | for example, if i need them only for compiling something or so |
| 16:35.17 | Finetic | xyan: ok the plugin is installed |
| 16:35.45 | Finetic | I should probably apt-get remove all gnash related plugins first now right? |
| 16:35.57 | xyan | good idea |
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| 16:37.35 | icebrain | flo`: not that I know of. I just keep a file with the list and then I do "aptitude remove `cat pkglist`" |
| 16:37.58 | flo` | hm. maybe a little script that handles this would be appropriate =) |
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| 16:38.39 | Finetic | xyan: thanks for help it works now |
| 16:38.46 | flo` | which prefix or other options should i use for ./configure? |
| 16:38.54 | fxiny | flo`: man script |
| 16:38.54 | Finetic | xyan: but what is the idea? that I send these adobe homo's some $ ? |
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| 16:39.23 | flo` | the package installs shared libs and their header files and some programs |
| 16:39.26 | xyan | Finetic: what are you talking about? |
| 16:39.34 | Finetic | flash-nonfree |
| 16:39.52 | xyan | Finetic: noone wants you to send them money |
| 16:40.04 | fxiny | flash ? ask the lotion man , where is he gone ? |
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| 16:41.14 | _entr0py | non-free doesn't mean you have to pay them, it just means the program is not released under GPL / BSD / MIT license |
| 16:41.17 | Finetic | so why is it called non free? |
| 16:41.21 | Finetic | ok |
| 16:41.30 | gnarface | Finetic: the idea is that Microsoft is paying Adobe so they can help keep Linux and OS X down by abusing their market share in an illegal anti-competitive manner. |
| 16:41.57 | xyan | the plugin is not available in source code form thats why its not free software |
| 16:42.16 | gnarface | Finetic: the idea isn't that you send Adobe money, the idea is that you give up and buy Windows |
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| 16:43.14 | _entr0py | OS X doesn't want to be a major player in OS market. They are happy keeping their snobby rich customers & giving them false sense of entitlement |
| 16:43.55 | gnarface | _entr0py: that is probably true or they wouldn't have made the ipad an ARM chip, which ALSO will never get support from Adobe |
| 16:43.56 | jhutchins_lt | Finetic: Actually, there are two meanings to "free" in "Free Software". One is free as in free beer. Flash is distributed by Adobe for free, you pay for the creation tools but not for the player. The other free is as in free speech. This means you have access to the source code, you can modify the software, and you can redistribute it. That is NOT true of flash, you have to get it from Adobe and you can't see what makes it work. |
| 16:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.55 | gnarface | what makes it work or what *doesn't* as is often the case |
| 16:44.59 | _entr0py | gnarface: Their whole strategy is to build a walled-garden & let only those people who can afford (high margin per unit) allow in it |
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| 16:45.29 | *** topic/#debian by RichiH -> lenny (5.0.5) /msg dpkg 5.0.5 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian | Squeeze has been frozen: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 |
| 16:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | If you guys want to continue this discussion it would be best to move to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:45.49 | _entr0py | as opposed to MS' strategy of making money on volume rather than per unit |
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| 16:46.26 | fxiny | hey . i'm reading hn -> squeeze frozen ? |
| 16:46.38 | fxiny | ohh new topic |
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| 16:46.45 | mquin | \o/ |
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| 16:46.53 | _entr0py | ditto! I am wondering how long before I change my sources.list |
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| 16:47.16 | jhutchins_lt | frozen != notbroken |
| 16:47.39 | braindump | right, it could just be thinking very hard about something |
| 16:47.47 | jhutchins_lt | 340 some bugs left to fix. |
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| 16:48.34 | fxiny | licence , gpl and smart idiots -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/04/gpl_violation_westinghouse/ |
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| 16:50.23 | icebrain | frozen to release can take a while; Lenny was frozen in July 28 and released on Feb 15 |
| 16:50.31 | wildc4rd | evenin' all! |
| 16:50.36 | icebrain | !greet wildc4rd |
| 16:50.36 | dpkg | Bonjour, wildc4rd |
| 16:50.45 | RichiH | jhutchins: by turmzimmer's count, it's less than 300 |
| 16:50.51 | braindump | I have a setup where md0 is showing 100% use and don't see why that is so or how to fix it. Looking for suggestions how to repair. |
| 16:50.51 | RichiH | and has been for three weeks now |
| 16:51.01 | braindump | all the volume groups look fine but / is showing 100% full |
| 16:51.11 | braindump | I asked about this on irc.debian.org/debian |
| 16:51.18 | _entr0py | I use testing and now that squeeze is frozen, how does that affect me? |
| 16:51.21 | braindump | but no answer there-- sorry for the cross post |
| 16:51.35 | freeone3000 | Is it possible that there's actually that much data? |
| 16:51.42 | icebrain | _entr0py: it means there's less probability of breakage |
| 16:51.52 | jhutchins_lt | _entr0py: Updates will be for bug fixes only. |
| 16:51.56 | _entr0py | Should I replace squeeze with testing, to keep current? |
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| 16:52.18 | icebrain | _entr0py: no, testing is still squeeze |
| 16:52.22 | jhutchins_lt | _entr0py: No, squeeze is still testing until it is released. |
| 16:52.31 | _entr0py | okay, thanks! |
| 16:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | _entr0py: We do recommend that you use "squeeze" in your sources file instead of "testing". |
| 16:52.46 | jhutchins_lt | _entr0py: Helps prevent surprizes should they release. |
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| 16:53.11 | gnarface | yea otherwise when squeeze goes stable your system will go crazy |
| 16:53.28 | _entr0py | Interesting observation is that Debian Wiki recommends using either stable / sid, never testing |
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| 16:54.03 | gnarface | lately i've had good luck with squeeze, but in the past the testing branch always gave me worse luck than unstable |
| 16:54.16 | mo_o | i'd like to automate the installation of the sun-java packages but they're asking for license stuff. how do i accept that in advance? |
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| 16:57.04 | wide_awake | Can someone please debunk the following? "RHEL has better hardware compatibility than Debian". My first reaction is that debian ships with a newer kernel, so if anything the hardware support should be *better*. Any other ideas? |
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| 16:57.49 | freeone3000 | Distribution has zip to do with compatability, because a distribution is simply a collection of tools. The kernel's standardized, and udev works the same everywhere. Debunked. |
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| 16:58.11 | wide_awake | freeone3000: thank you. :) |
| 16:58.27 | mo_o | y? |
| 16:58.32 | demoneye | where can I download Debian Live 5.0.5 .iso file? |
| 16:58.35 | mo_o | ups wrong widow |
| 16:58.43 | demoneye | via pendrivelinux. |
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| 17:00.59 | demoneye | anyone? |
| 17:01.04 | mguy | wide_awake: Debian doesn't include many drivers, especially those that aren't free. But that doesn't mean you can't get that hardware working with Debian |
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| 17:01.14 | icebrain | demoneye: what do you want exactly? install Debian from pendrive? |
| 17:01.59 | wide_awake | mguy: the only problems I've had were with 3ware raid cards, but that was years ago |
| 17:02.28 | demoneye | yes, icebrain. (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/) I would want to install dian via pendrive. I don't know here do I download the .iso for "Debian Live" |
| 17:02.29 | Bushmills | freeone3000: the kernel may be standard, to some extent (some distribution have patches for it), but the way the stock distribution kernel has been compiled, differs |
| 17:02.35 | mguy | Usually you will see issues with consumer devices such as wifi cards |
| 17:02.36 | icebrain | !tell demoneye about usb install |
| 17:02.39 | Bushmills | i.e. what modules it provides |
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| 17:02.50 | icebrain | demoneye: oh, live? sorry |
| 17:03.02 | wide_awake | mguy: this is for a server application, so shouldn't be anything too esoteric |
| 17:03.08 | icebrain | demoneye: /msg dpkg live |
| 17:03.11 | wide_awake | just lan, raid |
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| 17:04.16 | Pasquale | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.49 | demoneye | so does Debian Live work the same as Debian OS itself? |
| 17:06.04 | demoneye | I mean, the same core with no changes, right? |
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| 17:08.50 | jhutchins_lt | demoneye: Pretty much. |
| 17:09.18 | mguy | I didn't even know there was a Debian LiveCD |
| 17:09.37 | moldovean | !live |
| 17:09.37 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
| 17:10.30 | demoneye | icebrain, jhutchins_lt: thank you :) |
| 17:10.33 | Finetic | for some reason my gnome-session is deleted, how can I install this back? |
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| 17:11.05 | vinjacob | !greetings |
| 17:11.06 | dpkg | hello, vinjacob |
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| 17:13.22 | demoneye | does debian have a Software Manager? (the simmilar ones with can be found on Ubuntu and Linux Mint.) |
| 17:13.33 | demoneye | with/which |
| 17:13.34 | legba7 | hello, how can i resolve: make modules error: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
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| 17:13.39 | kermit | demoneye: dpkg, apt-get, aptitude |
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| 17:13.54 | demoneye | via terminal? |
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| 17:13.57 | vinjacob | demoneye: those were initially only available in debian. |
| 17:14.07 | Pasquale | hello, i have tried installing debian squeeze, but when i run the installer, it freezes at the 'language selection' step |
| 17:14.26 | mo_o | demoneye: you should use aptitude |
| 17:14.30 | moldovean | demoneye, synaptic is gui |
| 17:14.35 | Pasquale | what should i do? |
| 17:14.44 | demoneye | ahh, ok |
| 17:14.45 | moldovean | Pasquale, try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 17:15.25 | Pasquale | moldovean, i have an amd |
| 17:15.50 | moldovean | then http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/ |
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| 17:16.23 | xoz | Pasquale: freeze meaning you cannot operate or switch to terminal |
| 17:16.28 | Pasquale | moldovean, yea but it's empty |
| 17:16.39 | Pasquale | xoz, i can't operate at all |
| 17:16.39 | mo_o | Pasquale: that doesnt matter. you can still use i386 |
| 17:16.44 | moldovean | Pasquale, but for desktop i'd prefer i386 |
| 17:16.53 | xoz | Pasquale: try text mode |
| 17:17.01 | mo_o | amd64 is for 64Bit systems and it sucks a bit for desktop enviroments |
| 17:17.12 | Pasquale | okay |
| 17:17.21 | xoz | Pasquale: the freeze may not be related to the language but to the gaphics driver |
| 17:17.35 | mo_o | so if you dont have a 64Bit system, use definitely i386 |
| 17:17.47 | Pasquale | xoz, with lenny it was ok |
| 17:17.53 | mo_o | otherwise it depends on your experience but i'd suggest i386 either way |
| 17:18.19 | xoz | Pasquale: just try other options in install. |
| 17:18.30 | xoz | *installer* |
| 17:18.49 | Pasquale | xoz, like what ? i'm a newbie |
| 17:19.11 | xoz | Pasquale: text mode is a start |
| 17:19.47 | Pasquale | xoz, okay, is it harder through text mode |
| 17:19.51 | xoz | Pasquale: or install lenny and dist-upgrade if lenny works |
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| 17:20.07 | Pasquale | yes lenny works well |
| 17:20.28 | xoz | Pasquale: text mode is not harder. it is more straightforward |
| 17:20.35 | Pasquale | but today while upgrading from lenny to squeeze i screwed up with the grub, etc. X didn;t want to start anymore |
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| 17:21.04 | xoz | Pasquale: you can distable X and configure later. |
| 17:21.12 | xoz | *disable* |
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| 17:22.16 | Pasquale | i will try through text mode i guess |
| 17:22.32 | Pasquale | thanks, see you later |
| 17:22.38 | Pasquale | hopefully |
| 17:22.58 | xoz | Pasquale: if X has problem, as long as you have shell, you can configure it later. |
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| 17:23.58 | burst_error | i just did apt update, and it said there was a new package available for me. i closed my term an tidied some work i was doing. but when opened a new term and ran 'upgrade' nothing happened. why is apt holding out on me? |
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| 17:25.10 | xoz | burst_error: try update and upgrade again. |
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| 17:26.14 | burst_error | xoz: did that and deleted '/var/lib/apt/lists' to get a clean list and same |
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| 17:27.07 | xoz | burst_error: what is the message when you update? |
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| 17:28.11 | gyyrog | I just installed telnetd on my debian virtual box when I try to connect "telnet localhost" it tells me the connection was refused. what should I look at? |
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| 17:28.50 | xoz | gyyrog: why telnet? better use ssh |
| 17:29.00 | gyyrog | I know, it is for an experiment |
| 17:29.23 | burst_error | xoz: at first it told me i had +1 new pkg. now nothing, even after i cleared var/apt/lists/ |
| 17:29.24 | xoz | gyyrog: telnet -d to debug |
| 17:29.31 | craigevil | apt-get upgrade won't install packages that aren't already installed, you would need to do apt-get dist-upgrade ot aptitude full-upgrade |
| 17:29.36 | guest | chroot apt-get install -f is erroring out... Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 17:29.36 | guest | Segmentation fault |
| 17:29.56 | xyan | guest: are you in a chroot? |
| 17:30.03 | xoz | burst_error: you mean /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 17:30.27 | gyyrog | xoz, that doesn't seem to have any effect |
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| 17:30.48 | xoz | gyyrog: what is the message? |
| 17:30.54 | burst_error | xoz: whoops |
| 17:31.05 | xoz | burst_error: yep? |
| 17:31.34 | Pnux | hey, is it possible to download the current state of Squeeze without having to get Lenny and having to update? |
| 17:31.35 | gyyrog | connection refused |
| 17:31.58 | burst_error | xoz: archives is empty |
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| 17:32.00 | gyyrog | unable to connect to remote host: connection refused |
| 17:32.15 | xoz | burst_error: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:32.45 | _entr0py | Pnux: Only if you can download weekly-builds |
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| 17:33.00 | burst_error | xoz: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed.. etc |
| 17:33.02 | Pnux | _entr0py: oh, alrite, thanks |
| 17:33.54 | craigevil | burst_error: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade, or apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:34.33 | xoz | burst_error: so maybe the package ws removed. are you in sid or squeeze? |
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| 17:36.41 | guest | so does one have to mount dev/pts within the chroot to get apt to work ? |
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| 17:38.27 | xyan | guest: exactly |
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| 17:39.57 | guest | xyan so apt and aptitude both require /dev/pts or they wont work,,,, that's stupid... |
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| 17:41.15 | xyan | whats stupid about a terminal application attaching to a pts? |
| 17:41.49 | ManiacTwister|td | Pc neu Aufsetzten..bis dann |
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| 17:42.06 | guest | the fact that it prevents chroot commands... |
| 17:42.33 | xyan | then spawn a shell with chroot, mount it and call aptitude. |
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| 17:44.11 | burst_error | craigevil: same. xoz: stable |
| 17:44.24 | gnarface | guest: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 17:45.29 | mkt | !debian6 |
| 17:45.29 | guest | gnarface setting up a usb_key with lenny on it for a recovery tool |
| 17:45.32 | xoz | burst_error: you can goto /var/lib/dpkg/ and diff status status-old |
| 17:45.35 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 17:45.44 | xoz | burst_error: to check if there are new changes |
| 17:46.00 | gnarface | guest: this is a solved problem already. have you heard of debootstrap? |
| 17:47.15 | guest | gnarface i don't need debootstrap just to add packages to a second system. just agrivated that apt* requires mounting devpts before it can do anything |
| 17:47.48 | xoz | guest: what you want to do? complaining here wont solve your problem. |
| 17:48.09 | gnarface | guest, if you'd used debootstrap on your usb key it would have handled all that automatically for you. |
| 17:48.38 | guest | gnarface ? |
| 17:48.43 | guest | how's thaT ? |
| 17:48.43 | abrotman | bind mount it, be done with it |
| 17:48.58 | gnarface | guest: maybe i just don't understand what you're trying to accomplish |
| 17:49.07 | xoz | he should have mounted the dev before chroot |
| 17:49.15 | gnarface | guest: to me, installing lenny into a chroot == debootstrap |
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| 17:49.33 | guest | gnarface it's installed.... just adding a few packages |
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| 17:51.29 | apt_get | Can I force a interface to linkup without a cable? |
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| 17:52.12 | burst_error | xoz: < Status: install ok installed > Status: install ok unpacked |
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| 17:52.31 | xoz | burst_error: check the line number and browse what package |
| 17:52.38 | wide_awake | how long does it normally take from freeze -> release? |
| 17:53.17 | xyan | will be done when its done |
| 17:53.24 | gnarface | apt_get: loopback plug :-D http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/6c20/ - $7.99 |
| 17:53.41 | burst_error | xoz: whats the switch for line #? |
| 17:53.50 | xoz | burst_error: you can actually remove that package description in status so that when you update, the system will consider it as new package |
| 17:54.17 | xoz | burst_error: switch? |
| 17:54.22 | Techtronic | hello ,where can I find download debian server ? without desktop |
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| 17:55.06 | burst_error | xoz: 'command -switch -S -Switch' |
| 17:55.11 | wide_awake | xyan: just looking for a vague estimate, or a comparison with previous releases |
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| 17:55.22 | guest | apt_get ifconfig eth0 10.10.10.10 up you mean something like that |
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| 17:55.32 | xoz | burst_error: where is that thing? |
| 17:55.44 | xyan | wide_awake: the release will be happen when all rc bugs are fixed, there is no estimation for how long that will take |
| 17:55.55 | xyan | heppening* |
| 17:56.05 | xyan | shuts up damn |
| 17:56.10 | wide_awake | hehe |
| 17:56.20 | gnarface | Techtronic: it's the same installer. you get whatever you pick on install |
| 17:56.32 | apt_get | guest: this only put a IP in iface... but dont linkup it |
| 17:56.32 | apt_get | =P |
| 17:56.51 | guest | apt_get ? |
| 17:56.53 | wide_awake | yeah, the postgres releases work the same way (and I'm glad they do!) |
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| 17:57.01 | pallgone | wow, metacity sucks with dual head |
| 17:57.08 | wide_awake | "released when it's ready" is a great philosophy |
| 17:57.08 | Techtronic | gnarface: ok but now i must download 600mb with desktop ? |
| 17:57.11 | wide_awake | but makes it hard to plan :) |
| 17:57.39 | gnarface | Techtronic: no you can download the 50MB businesscard install and just pick what you want over the network |
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| 17:57.51 | guest | apt_get that prings the eth up and if you then plug a cable into it, it's already active |
| 17:58.00 | guest | prings heh |
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| 17:58.04 | guest | B |
| 17:58.12 | Techtronic | gnarface: dhcp works ? |
| 17:58.16 | apt_get | but i dont want to plug a cable |
| 17:58.23 | gnarface | Techtronic: theoretically |
| 17:58.23 | apt_get | I just want to fale the linkup |
| 17:58.42 | guest | fale ? |
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| 17:59.01 | pallgone | or to be more accurate: metacity sucks, and it's awful with dual head |
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| 17:59.26 | gnarface | pallgone: e16 does very well |
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| 18:00.00 | guest | apt_get...? ifconfig eth0 10.10.10.10 up ;ssh root@10.10.10.10 (assumes sshd + root login) |
| 18:00.27 | pallgone | gnarface: compiz is ok too, but my gfx card does not support such a high resolution |
| 18:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | Why are we using a package management tool to configure a network interface? |
| 18:01.43 | burst_error | xoz: '16361c16362' so i remove line 16362 on stat-old? what happens if i 'rm status'? |
| 18:01.51 | wide_awake | jhutchins_lt: "apt-get" is the irc person's username |
| 18:02.00 | ScottG | Is there a way to back up a list of all my applications so i can do a reinstall and easily get my applications back? |
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| 18:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | wide_awake: Ah. |
| 18:02.19 | pallgone | wonders why GNOME has chosen metacity |
| 18:02.23 | wide_awake | confused me too for a sec |
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| 18:02.52 | guest | "apt-get" != "apt_get" |
| 18:02.54 | xyan | ScottG: dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:02.59 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ScottG about debian clone |
| 18:03.08 | xoz | burst_error: before you do that, backup. not only that, remove the entire block of description for that package. when you update, it will refill it with the latest info of that package you remove. then, maybe upgrade will work. or try dpkg --pending --configure |
| 18:03.18 | kermit | ScottG: cp -pr /etc/apt too, since the source isnt mentioned in --get-selections |
| 18:03.29 | xoz | burst_error: try first dpkg --pending --configure... dont mess with status file |
| 18:03.37 | apt_get | sorry |
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| 18:05.16 | ScottG | kermit: what do you mean the source? |
| 18:05.37 | kermit | ScottG: where it got the package |
| 18:05.45 | wide_awake | !tell wide_awake about debian clone |
| 18:05.48 | wide_awake | :) |
| 18:06.08 | ScottG | kermit: oh right. |
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| 18:06.46 | ScottG | kermit: Can you think of anything else i night want to back up? besides /home of course |
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| 18:07.18 | tjader | topic |
| 18:07.28 | tjader | bad / key... |
| 18:08.02 | kermit | ScottG: your crontab, as its not stored in your home dir (though it really should be..) |
| 18:08.20 | kermit | ScottG: crontab -l |
| 18:08.47 | ScottG | kermit: yea true. |
| 18:08.53 | gnarface | saving /etc is a good idea too, if this is for reapid restore |
| 18:08.58 | maligor | pallgone, because they made it? |
| 18:09.01 | gnarface | rapid, i mean |
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| 18:10.31 | cheche | Still "aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude;aptitude full-upgrade;" the right way to upgrade to squeeze?(after modify /etc/apt/sources.list)? |
| 18:11.46 | moldovean | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 18:11.46 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
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| 18:12.26 | cheche | thanks moldovean |
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| 18:12.38 | moldovean | cheche, yw |
| 18:14.07 | kermit | or run 'dist-upgrade' |
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| 18:14.44 | pallgone | maligor: that's probably a good argument :) |
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| 18:16.09 | cheche | just one question... usually it was recommended not to touch the kernel when you upgrade, but now you are trying at the same time as aptitude |
| 18:17.11 | pallgone | so, know that squeeze is frozen, can we forget lenny? ;) |
| 18:17.37 | cheche | pallgone: actually that is why I try to upgrade, because it was frozen... |
| 18:17.47 | guest | WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED! <<< installed from volatile ? |
| 18:18.07 | cheche | guest: I usually ignore it. |
| 18:18.08 | guest | did someone get behind ? |
| 18:18.09 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions clamav |
| 18:18.10 | judd | clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.96.1+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.96.1+dfsg-1; sid: 0.96.1+dfsg-3 |
| 18:18.31 | guest | cheche yeah i can but it shouldn't do that should it ? |
| 18:19.03 | pallgone | !squeeze udev |
| 18:19.03 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 18:19.28 | guest | Setting up clamav (0.96.1+dfsg-1~volatile1) ... |
| 18:19.37 | guest | WARNING: Local version: 0.94.2 Recommended version: 0.96.1 |
| 18:19.41 | pallgone | ah, that's why my last try upgrading to squeeze failed :) |
| 18:19.45 | guest | what ????? |
| 18:20.01 | guest | why is the local version not what just installed ? |
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| 18:21.45 | cheche | pallgone: ok, upgrating right now... if it fails, I will not come back for a while :-) |
| 18:22.14 | pallgone | cheche: ok, good luckl |
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| 18:25.04 | cheche | pallgone: I just found out that I have 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 kernel. so I guess that I am safe there... |
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| 18:27.03 | fxiny | guest: Installed: 0.96.1+dfsg-1~volatile1 |
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| 18:29.47 | jhutchins_lt | I've had clam miss and fail to clean some pretty serious problems, I use AVG now. |
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| 18:31.26 | fxiny | latest clam ? |
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| 18:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: Yeah, on gentoo, which keeps clam pretty current. |
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| 18:35.37 | pzn | Hi. I intend to use a Raid1 with one HD in different machine. I tought about machines connected via cross-cable gigabit ethernet. one HD is local to raid machine, the other is connected via ata-over-ethrnet. HDs are SATA Samsung 7200Rpm 2TB. both computers Debian 5.0 64bit. Do you think the performance will be different from having both HDs in the same machine? will lose too much performance? |
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| 18:36.59 | maligor | pzn, is it dedicated? |
| 18:37.02 | jhutchins_lt | Yes |
| 18:37.25 | pzn | maligor, yes, dedicated nfs/smb/ftp/http fileserver |
| 18:37.39 | maligor | pzn, I mean the second machine |
| 18:37.55 | pzn | maligor, yes. a dedicated ata-over-ethernet server for this |
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| 18:38.16 | maligor | what about the connection? |
| 18:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: I'd use the second drive for backups rather than raid. |
| 18:38.32 | pzn | maligor, I tought about machines connected via cross-cable gigabit ethernet |
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| 18:38.57 | maligor | ethernet does still give quite a bit overhead tho, and latency |
| 18:39.25 | maligor | it's certainly a strange solution |
| 18:40.25 | maligor | I think the latency of gigabit ethernet is orders of magnitude higher than seeks on hdd's |
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| 18:40.51 | maligor | the bandwidth might keep up, but not a clue how it would perform |
| 18:41.00 | pzn | maligor, I didn't think about latency, just about bandwidth... but you are right, it will give latency problems. |
| 18:43.00 | rozie | pzn: take a look at drdb |
| 18:43.15 | rozie | if there are benchmark, you'll get the answer |
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| 18:44.24 | pzn | maligor, I tought about a "high-availability", where I have 2 PCs and a RAID1, but one of the HDs is at each PC. when the main PC goes off, I can have another grub boot option to boot the second server with the raid hd and then all is back working with the latest data information |
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| 18:45.21 | rozie | and I wouldn't care about network latency - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_time - here's 4 ms for 7200 HDD |
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| 18:45.35 | rozie | it'll be < 1ms over network |
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| 18:49.58 | maligor | pzn, he's absolutely right, I remembered it was lower |
| 18:50.04 | maligor | it seems to be in the 4ms range |
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| 18:50.30 | maligor | I guess I've forgotten how rubbish magnetic disks are :P |
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| 18:51.48 | pzn | maligor, rozie: ok, then you think it is a nice solution for high-availability + on-the-fly external backups? :-) |
| 18:52.04 | maligor | I think it's a weird idea |
| 18:52.16 | pzn | of course I'll have a weekly backup in external usb HD |
| 18:53.36 | maligor | if it's over ethernet directly too, it wouldn't have the ip fragmentation either |
| 18:53.48 | maligor | albeit I'm not atall familiar what issues ethernet has |
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| 18:54.49 | rozie | pzn: I don't use DRDB, but you should take a closer look at this |
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| 18:57.34 | rozie | pzn: it's exactly 'network raid1' |
| 18:57.45 | maligor | pzn, I guess the biggest issue with setups like that is that you're essentially wasting a extra system power |
| 18:58.00 | maligor | in some ways it does make sense tho |
| 18:58.40 | maligor | but you have 2x power drain just for slightly faster catastrophic failure |
| 18:59.06 | maligor | assuming it didn't push both systems over |
| 18:59.14 | pzn | maligor, I'll always need two power drains if I need a high-availability system... |
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| 18:59.53 | rozie | well, if he configures service in a way, that service can be distributed, he won't waste power |
| 18:59.57 | maligor | yeah, but the biggest failure point is any mechanical device |
| 19:00.58 | pzn | rozie, I'm reading about drdb, it seems to match my needs |
| 19:01.07 | rozie | pzn: what kind of service you are going to run? |
| 19:02.16 | pzn | rozie, about 80 people will use this server. company works 24hs/day, so average of 30 people per shift. the server is a file server for ltsp-diskless stations of everybody. |
| 19:03.39 | pzn | rozie, so, if something goes wrong, and I take 4 hours to recover from backup, that will be 4 hours of 30 people trown away. And someone blaming me "why did stop, why did it took so long to recover" |
| 19:03.58 | rozie | sure, I understand |
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| 19:04.24 | rozie | pzn: file server - you mean NFS? |
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| 19:04.47 | jordanm | pzn: well, you need a spare |
| 19:05.11 | pzn | rozie, yes, nfs mainly. some cifs/smb folders too |
| 19:05.21 | karlpinc | pzn: You still need daily backups in case someone deletes something they shouldn't. |
| 19:06.35 | pzn | karlpinc, today I have just one server, no high-availability. I have a 14 day incremental daily backup (in another harddisk in another computer) and a weekly full backup in external media (usb disk) |
| 19:06.38 | rozie | I'm not sure if nfs/smb/cifs have sort of fallback |
| 19:06.58 | rozie | or if they can use multiple hosts |
| 19:07.15 | rozie | or can switch to another host without problem |
| 19:07.28 | pzn | rozie, I think it will work... the second host will assume first host IP address if first host goes down. then I think nfs will give a timeout and retry. |
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| 19:08.22 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: What do you hope to accomplish? |
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| 19:08.56 | rozie | you can write kind of daemon which will run on both hosts an chack if another has running daemon |
| 19:09.06 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, I ltsp-diskless-server + file-server with high-availability |
| 19:09.07 | rozie | if not, will start daemon locally |
| 19:09.38 | rozie | but I'm not sure if nfs client will accept this change |
| 19:09.44 | pzn | rozie, I'm reading www.drbd.org it explains a lot of things... |
| 19:09.45 | rozie | you need to try it out |
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| 19:10.00 | ScottG | If I do what dpkg (the bot) suggests when I message it "aptitude clone" am I going to lose dependancy tracking or anything? |
| 19:10.14 | rozie | AFAIK nfs is pretty... delicate |
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| 19:10.38 | rozie | in worst case each client will need to unmount and mount nfs share |
| 19:10.54 | rozie | don't know if it's acceptable |
| 19:12.11 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: I don't think you're doing anything to improve reliability; you're adding several layers of complexity and possible failure. |
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| 19:13.51 | pzn | rozie, I'll have to make a test to see if nfs recovers from a failure, about other new server getting the same IP from old one. |
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| 19:15.19 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, I got your point... I'm doing something complex. do you thing I should follow the recomendations from linux-high-availability howto, and do it as it says? |
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| 19:15.29 | cemunal | hi all; how can create a bootable usb pen for windows xp iso from linux? |
| 19:15.51 | pythos | Issue: network eth0 is set in /etc/network/interfaces with ip, netmask, and gateway. When I boot, it does get ip address properly, but no gateway. I add default gw, and it shows up in 'route' but will not actually route. It can ping its own IP, and the gw IP, but will not ping beyond the gateway. I do aver Masq installed. Result with ping (outside IP) looks like this: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 19:15.51 | jordanm | cemunal: debian does not ship any tools for that. try ##windows |
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| 19:16.36 | pzn | cemunal, don't do it :-) |
| 19:16.37 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: Given that you're going to do it anyway, yes, it's best to follow a guide. |
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| 19:20.03 | pzn | pythos, do you have more than one interface? just one interface can have gateway. can you show up the ip netmask and gateway? the gateway address must be in the correct network |
| 19:20.57 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, I didn't get what you mean. Do you think it is not worth making a 2 computer "cluster" for having the service more reliable? |
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| 19:21.06 | cousin_mario | hi there |
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| 19:21.22 | pythos | pzn, yes. I have eth0 and eth1. I do not have any gateway set on eth1, automatic or manual |
| 19:21.58 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, better have a simple and single server, and keep just backups for later recovery when something goes bad? |
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| 19:23.04 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: Actually, if you have the hardware for a second server then yes, that is the best high-availability setup; data replication is the issue. |
| 19:23.31 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: Since you're doing it as a file and ltsp server, I don't really see that you have that many options, other than a frequent rsync. |
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| 19:27.31 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, I tought about "network raid1" and one of the harddisks is at the second server. it is more complex than rsync, but it is "real-time". thinking about rsync, I have 1.3TB in /home/, many user folders are Maildir, with lots of small files. If I do an rsync, it will "scan all directory structures" and take lots of minutes... If I do an rsync every 3 hours, it will make disk-io slower every 3 hours. |
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| 19:28.38 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: The second server isn't loaded though, it's just backup, right? |
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| 19:28.59 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, yes, second server is just a backup/spare |
| 19:29.36 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: What we used to do is use three consecutive IP's. Server 1 would be .27, server 2 would be .29, and they would have a virtual IP of 28 that was assigned to the "live" master server. |
| 19:29.59 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: Pretty simple script made the necessary config changes and we could be back up within minutes. |
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| 19:30.17 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: We used MySQL replication because it was essentially just a DB server. |
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| 19:32.01 | leonardo_ | hello, i have installed apache2 package on Debian Lenny ARM, but i cant read the "it Works" doind w3m localhost or w3m 127.0.0.1 |
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| 19:32.29 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, pretty simple and good solution! I'll think this weekend about what is better... replication "cron-based at file-level" or "real-time at block-level" and then I'll implement it. |
| 19:32.46 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: What the heck, try it! |
| 19:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: You can always fall back to rsync. |
| 19:33.12 | kermit | rsync with --link-dest is great for versioned live backups |
| 19:33.16 | leonardo_ | it works if i do w3m /var/www/index.html but don't works if i do w3m localhost |
| 19:33.52 | jhutchins_lt | leonardo_: What do the logs say? |
| 19:33.56 | jordanm | leonardo_: netstat -lnap | grep ':80' |
| 19:34.19 | pzn | leonardo_, try w3m http://localhost |
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| 19:35.13 | leonardo_ | jhutchins_lt, nothing |
| 19:35.18 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, doing a test... will be back in a minute |
| 19:35.42 | leonardo_ | pzn, not worked |
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| 19:36.11 | jhutchins_lt | leonardo_: Ok, if you actually accessed the server it should be in either access.log or error.log |
| 19:36.23 | pzn | leonardo_, ping localhost and also what jordanm said... netstat |
| 19:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | The logs should show the server starting up and listening on the local port. |
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| 19:36.59 | leonardo_ | ping .2 ms |
| 19:37.17 | leonardo_ | jhutchins_lt where is the log |
| 19:37.29 | jhutchins_lt | /var/log/apache/ |
| 19:37.35 | leonardo_ | jhutchins_lt i need to open the ports even if i am in localhost? |
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| 19:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | leonardo_: Well, you need to read the apache docs. |
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| 19:38.22 | jhutchins_lt | leonardo_: Especially any README.Debian files. |
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| 19:39.28 | leonardo_ | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.org/451466 |
| 19:39.36 | leonardo_ | its error.log |
| 19:39.45 | pzn | leonardo_, when you say "doesn't work" for "w3c localhost", what you mean? what it the exact error? localhost not found/connection refused/etc |
| 19:40.16 | leonardo_ | just not enter |
| 19:40.32 | leonardo_ | w3m: Can't load http://localhost. |
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| 19:40.59 | pzn | leonardo_, netstat -tlnp | grep ':80' |
| 19:41.39 | leonardo_ | pzn, there is no output |
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| 19:42.01 | leonardo_ | without grep i get |
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| 19:43.15 | leonardo_ | without grep i don't get any port like 80 |
| 19:43.27 | pzn | leonardo_, then apache is not "listening to" tcp port 80. you should discover why apache is not running correctly |
| 19:43.44 | pzn | leonardo_, ps aux | grep apache |
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| 19:44.23 | leonardo_ | pzn root 3633 0.0 0.8 1640 528 pts/0 S+ 22:44 0:00 grep apache |
| 19:45.05 | pzn | leonardo_, so, apache is not running, you should discover what is wrong in its config. /etc/init.d/apache stop; /etc/init.d/apache start (or maybe apache2 instead of apache) |
| 19:45.28 | leonardo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:46.21 | pzn | leonardo_, try to stop and start apache... then "ps aux | grep apache" to see if it is running, then "netstat -tlnp | grep ':80'" to see if it is listening to tcp connections |
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| 19:46.41 | leonardo_ | pzn starting apache worked now |
| 19:46.56 | leonardo_ | but i get an index off |
| 19:47.14 | leonardo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.27 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, I'm doing "find /home > /dev/null" it is running for 9 minutes and still didn't finish... |
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| 19:48.41 | leonardo_ | thank you pzn |
| 19:48.47 | leonardo_ | it is working now |
| 19:49.02 | pzn | nice |
| 19:49.04 | leonardo_ | it must be some errror while starting first time |
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| 20:00.23 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, 19 minutes for doing a simple "find /home > /dev/null". I think rsync will have this time too |
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| 20:08.25 | cristi8 | i am trying to upgrade virtualbox from lenny-backports.. will it upgrade my kernel also? http://codepad.org/3cldd3Gr |
| 20:09.19 | cristi8 | `uname -r` shows "2.6.26-2-686" |
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| 20:10.13 | Kuifje111 | hi.. I have a slight problem with inspircd. I am trying to run it like this "/usr/sbin/inspircd --nofork", but all it gives me is "Usage: /usr/sbin/inspircd [--nofork] [--nolog] [--debug] [--logfile <filename>] [--runasroot] [--version] [--config <config>]" and it doesnt start. any way to fix this or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 20:11.55 | Mike__ | hi. third party apps like firefox(from tarball) i must extract to /usr/local/bin ? |
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| 20:12.37 | metalfoo | You may do it wherever you like. /usr/local is a good idea, /opt too. Just make shure the destined binary lies within your $PATH. Debian (or Linux) doesn't care. |
| 20:13.07 | Mike__ | metalfoo: thanks. |
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| 20:13.28 | gnarface | Mike__: just in case you didn't know though, firefox is called iceweasel on debian. you don't really need the tarball unless you go for a very new one |
| 20:13.42 | metalfoo | That's what I wanted to add too. |
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| 20:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | Kuifje111: Getting a usage message means you've supplied the wrong options. Check the man page particularly for examples of start commands. |
| 20:15.08 | Mike__ | gnarface: i know that. but firefox it was only an example. My questions refered to third party apps (like firefox). |
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| 20:16.39 | jhutchins_lt | Mike__: One of the problems with third-party apps is that they're not consistent in where they expect to be in the filesystem, or in where they expect other components to be. |
| 20:17.06 | jhutchins_lt | Mike__: Firefox is one of the worst culprits, known for scattering files all over the tree and changing file locations between releases. |
| 20:17.45 | Mike__ | jhutchins_lt: so do you recommend to use iceweasel ? |
| 20:17.45 | Kuifje111 | jhutchins_lt: I don't think I am doing something wrong; I have read the man page, but it still isnt working. |
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| 20:18.00 | jhutchins_lt | Mike__: Yes, use 3.5.10 from backports. |
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| 20:18.16 | jhutchins_lt | Kuifje111: Look for further documentation then, perhaps in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 20:18.28 | Mike__ | jhutchins_lt: thanks! |
| 20:18.53 | metalfoo | You should probably also note, that there is no real difference between Iceweasel and Firefox, so they are both essentially the same. It's just legal reason, that the program isn't called Firefox in Debian. |
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| 20:21.26 | lxsameer | hi , i'm using squeeze does any one has problem with damn flash player ? |
| 20:21.56 | moldovean | on amd64? |
| 20:22.10 | lxsameer | moldovean: yeah exactly |
| 20:22.58 | moldovean | seems normal , adobe drop support on it |
| 20:23.42 | lxsameer | moldovean: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm , i see but i used the debian one in squeeze , but the sid one is the same as squeeze one , |
| 20:24.24 | lxsameer | moldovean: do you have any idea to solve this ? 32bit support or any thing else ? |
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| 20:24.48 | metalfoo | moldovean: Was AMD64 ever supported natively on Linux? Missed that. |
| 20:24.54 | moldovean | there are some vulnerability on amd64, so 32 bit may help |
| 20:25.28 | moldovean | metalfoo, sure |
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| 20:25.35 | lxsameer | moldovean: hmmmmmm , how can i install the 32bit one in a 64bit box then |
| 20:25.46 | jhutchins_lt | lxsameer: The debian pacakage is just an installer that takes the files from adobe and puts them in the right place. |
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| 20:26.39 | jhutchins_lt | lxsameer: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 20:26.47 | lxsameer | jhutchins_lt: aha , but then how every one use flash player in debian64 ? is there any replacement ? |
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| 20:28.46 | cristi8 | hmm, i need some help, i did this http://codepad.org/3cldd3Gr , and the headers for 2.6.32 were installed. since i am using 2.6.26, i now want to install linux-headers from lenny.. how do i do that? ( aptitude install -t lenny linux-headers does not work) |
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| 20:29.45 | jester_ | apt-get install linux-header-2.xx.xx |
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| 20:30.06 | jester_ | sry |
| 20:30.18 | jester_ | apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32 |
| 20:30.33 | Trashi | hi, i did install fail2ban and now there is a jail.conf and jail.local file. what's the difference? |
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| 20:30.51 | jhutchins_lt | apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.26 |
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| 20:31.13 | jester_ | oh jeah right, 2.6.26 xD |
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| 20:31.33 | dunhamda | Trashi: jail.conf gets overwritten by upgrades. put your config changes in jail.local |
| 20:32.03 | cristi8 | can't find that package, i have to specify other suffix as well.. can't i install "the linux-headers metapackage" from lenny? |
| 20:32.06 | Trashi | dunhamda: well, ok but i would like to understand why both files does exists? |
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| 20:32.36 | moldovean | cristi8, linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:32.43 | Trashi | dunhamda: just to keep one default config file? |
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| 20:36.34 | dunhamda | Trashi: It's a common pattern which allows debian to provide a working default config (which can change between versions), but also allow you to customize the config without it getting blown away by upgrades |
| 20:37.04 | Trashi | dunhamda: okay, so i'll use jail.local .. thank you very much ;) |
| 20:37.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is there a way to install Debian from my hard disk from an existing Linux without using CDROM or any other removeable media? |
| 20:37.45 | zebradog | sh4d3sl4y3r_, debootstrap |
| 20:37.49 | zebradog | !debootstrap |
| 20:37.49 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 20:38.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | affirmative, thanks bro |
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| 20:39.15 | rahsputin | hi. i use Debian Squeeze with kernel version 2.6.32-5-686... i have a Aterm WL54AG WarpStar Atheros PCMCIA... i live in Germany and would like to set the Frequency to Europe or Germany... how do i do so without having to install Windows to a my Laptop ? |
| 20:39.55 | zebradog | rahsputin, frequency ? |
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| 20:40.37 | Ikarus | what mailfilter do I want to use if I want to replace procmail (because it's language is just ick) |
| 20:41.46 | rahsputin | zebradog: when i do # iw reg set ... it shows that the frequency range is set to US standard, i have 1-xx Channels |
| 20:41.52 | rahsputin | but no 12-13-14 |
| 20:41.58 | rahsputin | channel^^ |
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| 20:42.46 | fat-lobyte | hi, I have a package which builds some shared libraries. These libraries are required to run the executable within the package, but they are specific to it (no other package could use them). What should I do with the shared libraries? Just let them install to /usr/lib? Or to /usr/lib/package-name/? I failed to find information about this case in maint-guid, developers-reference or debian-policy. |
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| 20:44.04 | fat-lobyte | dpkg-shlibdeps prints warnings about not being able to retrieve the name and version from the SONAME. Should I ignore those warnings? |
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| 20:44.52 | zebradog | rahsputin, according to this site, there is no 12 |
| 20:44.57 | zebradog | rahsputin http://www0.dealtime.com/xPF-NEC-Aterm-WL54AG |
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| 20:45.19 | zebradog | rahsputin, try modinfo <modulename> |
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| 20:47.02 | rahsputin | mac8011cfg the modules used are ath ath5k and mac8011... |
| 20:47.15 | rahsputin | last i must lookup realquick |
| 20:47.48 | zebradog | rahsputin, modinfo athsomething or ath |
| 20:47.48 | rahsputin | mac80211 |
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| 20:50.53 | zebradog | rahsputin, "countrycode" -> http://www.fehu.org/atheros-en.html#modes |
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| 20:52.26 | zebradog | rahsputin, notice they mention something about /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 20:52.30 | rahsputin | zebradog: that is the madwifi module |
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| 20:53.37 | zebradog | rahsputin, did you try 'modprobe ath_pci countrycode=276' ? |
| 20:53.50 | rahsputin | zebradog: no |
| 20:54.00 | rahsputin | i am jumping from PC to Laptop :D |
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| 20:54.11 | rahsputin | and back again and forth again |
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| 20:56.58 | rahsputin | madwifi site is dead |
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| 20:57.37 | zebradog | rahsputin, did you try any #*ath* channels? |
| 20:57.42 | BlackBayou | does anyone know about pam-auth |
| 20:58.00 | BlackBayou | i have a problem where installing a package it trys to execute that command |
| 20:58.16 | BlackBayou | and it errors out during the configuration process |
| 20:58.54 | rahsputin | zebradog: ath ? |
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| 20:59.04 | rahsputin | iwlist list channel ? |
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| 21:00.48 | zebradog | rahsputin, there's also #madwifi |
| 21:01.04 | rahsputin | oh, cool thanx ;-) |
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| 21:14.24 | Kuifje111 | jhutchins_lt: in the wiki it says to run "./inspircd start", but this isnt working. http://wiki.inspircd.org/FAQ/General#How_do_I_start_InspIRCd.3F |
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| 21:23.43 | Trashi | hi. i have a further fail2ban question. i cannot use iptables (vserver) so i try to use deny.hosts support. its all fine and fail2ban is writing my ip after a couple of tries into the hosts.deny, but after, apache2 lets me anyway to receive my website? whats the problem with this? for what could i look for? |
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| 21:24.37 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/09/02/network-security-with-tcpwrappers-hostsallow-and-hostsdeny/ |
| 21:24.54 | thewanderer1 | please verify if your application (apache2 is included in the examples) is capable of using tcpwrappers. |
| 21:25.18 | petemc | it doesnt, tho if you run it in inetd it can |
| 21:26.10 | thewanderer1 | Apache2 in inetd, great idea |
| 21:26.21 | petemc | why do you say that? |
| 21:26.58 | thewanderer1 | does it even integrate? it should act as a proxy, no? |
| 21:27.12 | Trashi | thewanderer1: i will read ;) |
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| 21:28.27 | thewanderer1 | anyway, the performance of inetd does not scale as well as Apache |
| 21:28.46 | reber | hi all. I have a broadcom iface (lenovo g560), and can't see it with iwconfig. I have tried a lot of things from forums, and i now don't have any other ideas. |
| 21:29.19 | thewanderer1 | reber: lenovo g560 doesn't describe your network interface, you need to check the actual card model |
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| 21:31.00 | Trashi | thewanderer1: is there a way to refer apache2 with libwrap? |
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| 21:31.19 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: no, you would have to modify sources |
| 21:31.44 | thewanderer1 | Trashi: and running under inetd is impossible - checked that right now - option removed as of Apache 2 |
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| 21:32.13 | thewanderer1 | do you really have a hosted container under vServer from your provider? |
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| 21:32.46 | metalfoo | Then you will rely on mod_evasive or similar. |
| 21:33.07 | thewanderer1 | yes, this is actually not a bad idea - Apache has its own means of protection in some cases |
| 21:33.11 | metalfoo | Or mod_security. |
| 21:33.51 | reber | thewanderer1, the problem seems that lspci can't even show the actual iface |
| 21:33.58 | reber | i suspect a hardware problem |
| 21:34.02 | jordanm | reber: lsusb |
| 21:34.33 | reber | jordanm, it's not a usb iface. |
| 21:34.48 | jordanm | reber: some (really crappy) internet cards are |
| 21:34.51 | metalfoo | Or you may use hosts.deny within a directory/location restriction. You may have to reload your Apache peridically to load the new configuration. |
| 21:34.53 | thewanderer1 | reber: USB can be also internal in the laptop - that's how my Bluetooth works |
| 21:34.54 | jordanm | s/internet/internal/ |
| 21:35.02 | Trashi | thewanderer1: yes i think so ... i did try to run fail2ban with iptable support but there was an error like: "cannot access iptables because kernel cannot access kernel modules" ... or s.th. like this *srry* |
| 21:35.14 | thewanderer1 | metalfoo: Apache2 doesn't support tcpwrappers |
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| 21:36.42 | metalfoo | thewanderer1: and? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_access.html#allow |
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| 21:36.57 | metalfoo | You have just to make sure, your apache loads new entries from time to time. |
| 21:37.33 | metalfoo | It's not such a good idea, but hey ... if you really want to host on rented vservers you probably don't care neither |
| 21:38.04 | thewanderer1 | it's not like there is another solution, anyway |
| 21:38.14 | thewanderer1 | vServers are not meant as VPS :P |
| 21:38.23 | thewanderer1 | (get proper OpenVZ or KVM stuff, really) |
| 21:38.50 | metalfoo | Well, mod_(security|evasive) may be a more clean solution. |
| 21:39.04 | metalfoo | Beside of that are you totally right. |
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| 21:43.19 | abrotman | kvm isn't a VPS |
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| 21:43.53 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: no, neither is OpenVZ - both create separated working contexts, and VPS is a marketing term |
| 21:44.27 | abrotman | is it now ... |
| 21:44.29 | thewanderer1 | but every isolation solution can be used to provide customers with their own private systems, just not every is well-suited to the job |
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| 21:46.12 | DimmuR | Hello. I'm trying to get 2 exteran ip addresses to work as small proxy. I'm trying to do something like: http://wklej.to/2rfP - but no mater what port i write i always get only first ip (checked on provider.pl/ip) any tips how can i get it work? |
| 21:46.54 | DimmuR | s/exteran/external/ |
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| 21:52.37 | cmyers | I am running debian unstable. I recently did an update and restarted. I am unable to connect to things which listen on IPv6 only. I get "network is unreachable". I can see (using lsof) that ssh is listening on both, but `ssh ip6-localhost` and `ssh ::1` both fail. |
| 21:52.42 | cmyers | any ideas what the problem might be? |
| 21:53.57 | Tramp | maybe running debian unstable |
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| 21:57.03 | cmyers | Tramp: that is not particularly helpful =/ IPv6 should work "even in unstable". I am willing to debug the problem I just need some pointers in the right direction. |
| 21:57.26 | cmyers | I'm not here complaining it is broke, I am seeking to help fix it. |
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| 21:58.09 | Tramp | did you check the bts? |
| 21:58.42 | cmyers | Tramp: It didn't occur to me to search for such a general problem, it is hard to think what to search for, but I will try now that you mention it. |
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| 22:01.50 | cmyers | the search is kinda sucky, but from what I can find, there is no bug currently open with "ipv6" in the subject. |
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| 22:02.40 | cmyers | ah, there is an ipv6 "tag" |
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| 22:15.09 | cmyers | ugh. wtf. I feel dumb. |
| 22:15.18 | cmyers | for some reason, the "lo" interface didn't come up automatically. |
| 22:15.24 | cmyers | a quick `ifup lo` fixed my problem |
| 22:15.35 | cmyers | kinda took it for granted that it should be up =/ |
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| 22:23.15 | ilembitov | Hi. Got a bit confused here: I know how to make a Live USB out of netinstall, but what if i need the entire CD1? |
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| 22:23.54 | thewanderer1 | it's possible to use CD1 iso image in place of netinstall iso |
| 22:23.56 | aleray | hi. i'm trying to use my remote server as an http proxy. i'm remember having done this before but can't find how anymore. Could one help me with this ? |
| 22:24.02 | thewanderer1 | should also be possible with DVD1 or so |
| 22:24.23 | jacekowski | aleray: what is the problem |
| 22:24.29 | jacekowski | aleray: configuring client or server? |
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| 22:25.16 | aleray | jacekowski, I'm remember having used a oneliner ssh command to use a remote server as an http proxy |
| 22:25.21 | thewanderer1 | aleray: ssh -D 4321 user@myserver.com, then configure Firefox/GNOME/whatever to use localhost:4321 as a proxy address |
| 22:25.23 | aleray | but can't find it anymore |
| 22:25.33 | thewanderer1 | also here: http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/12/08/ssh-tunnel-socks-proxy-forwarding-secure-browsing/ |
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| 22:25.45 | thewanderer1 | (no, you don't have to "embrace ubuntu" :P ) |
| 22:25.54 | aleray | thewanderer1, lol |
| 22:25.58 | aleray | thanks I try |
| 22:26.01 | jacekowski | aleray: it's socks proxy |
| 22:26.05 | jacekowski | aleray: not http proxy |
| 22:26.11 | themill | (1080 is more common for socks, but whatever) |
| 22:26.18 | aleray | jacekowski, ok |
| 22:26.20 | thewanderer1 | yes, it's important to leave out HTTP proxy fields and only fill SOCKS proxy field |
| 22:26.29 | thewanderer1 | or you get strange results :D |
| 22:26.51 | jacekowski | aleray: google ssh socks proxy |
| 22:26.55 | jacekowski | aleray: that will help |
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| 22:27.43 | aleray | cool it works |
| 22:29.11 | aleray | thewanderer1, jacekowski thanks! |
| 22:29.38 | Mike__ | hi. I have extracted BOINC, to /usr/local/bin/BOINC, and my problem is that BOINC can't connect to localhost as non root user. Is there any solution ? |
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| 22:29.46 | sechrist | "udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED" |
| 22:29.47 | sechrist | grr |
| 22:29.53 | sechrist | can I keep udev from upgrading? |
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| 22:30.34 | abrotman | sechrist: upgrade your kernel |
| 22:30.41 | hdtdi | in ubuntu there was some package ubuntu-restricted-extras.. that installs a few things and one of them was some fonts.. does anyone know the fonts package? so that i can install it on my debian cause when i open a browser or programs.. the fonts are unpleasant for the eye |
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| 22:32.32 | Nerdyman | hello everyone, I've got a problem with wine on debian, I've got only ALSA and OSS but I can't get sound working in Wine, in everything else it works, I just get an Audio Test failed ! error in winecfg |
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| 22:36.26 | sechrist | it's been awhile since i've upgraded a kernel. I'm running apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 22:36.32 | sechrist | but i'm getting all sorts of dependency problems |
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| 22:37.34 | jordanm | !tell sechrist about bat |
| 22:38.27 | moldovean | !tell /me about bat |
| 22:38.54 | Tramp | !tell moldovean -about selftell |
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| 22:39.34 | sechrist | http://paste.debian.net/82425/ |
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| 22:40.33 | jordanm | sechrist: looks like you are mixing stable and testing, or have not completed an upgrade to testing |
| 22:40.43 | jordanm | !tell sechrist about why aptitude |
| 22:41.01 | jordanm | sechrist: aptitude install -f |
| 22:41.29 | jordanm | sechrist: also, you should have your kernel metapackage installed, and be installing the new version through a normal upgrade |
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| 22:42.23 | sechrist | ooh looks like aptitude found a way around it |
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| 22:50.25 | taras | hi. how can I get info on my sound card? like if its 16/24 bit? |
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| 22:50.43 | jordanm | taras: try lshw |
| 22:51.39 | rahsputin | taras: # hwinfo # aptitude install hwinfo |
| 22:51.43 | Orbixx | Anybody know why mysql-server when installed from apt doesn't have a root account? |
| 22:51.51 | metalfoo | It has |
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| 22:52.16 | rahsputin | taras: # hwinfo --help |
| 22:52.32 | taras | thanks |
| 22:52.35 | metalfoo | Unless you messed up yourself /var/lib/mysql Debian comes out of the box with an appropriate set-up MySQL (with root account) |
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| 22:53.41 | Arrowmaster | since when? |
| 22:54.20 | hdtdi | i installed ttf-mscorefonts-installer cause i thought i will fix my font problems with some programs but.. now its all fucked up.. all my programs have very ugly fonts by ugly i mean.. its like the letters are incomplete any idea how to make it right so that my programs have good looking fonts? |
| 22:54.24 | Arrowmaster | default sql server is postgresql if you choose the SQL server task |
| 22:54.28 | metalfoo | Well, we should discuss 'appropriate', initialized and running is probably more accurate. |
| 22:55.05 | metalfoo | Arrowmaster: Don't think, that that was the question? |
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| 22:55.25 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: he's saying if you install the mysql-server packagse, it should be configured correctly |
| 22:55.28 | Arrowmaster | you said "Debian comes out of the box with an appropriate set-up MySQL" |
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| 22:55.43 | metalfoo | Well, I mean when you install it of course. |
| 22:55.58 | Arrowmaster | well thats not really out of the box |
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| 22:56.10 | themill | Arrowmaster: that's still quite orthogonal to the question |
| 22:56.20 | metalfoo | thank you :o) |
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| 22:56.40 | themill | dpkg: tell Orbixx about I forgot mysql initial password |
| 22:56.49 | themill | bleh |
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| 22:57.10 | Orbixx | themill: I didn't forget the password. |
| 22:57.14 | Orbixx | The root account *does not exist* |
| 22:57.23 | themill | Orbixx: how do you know? |
| 22:57.29 | Orbixx | use mysql; select * from user; |
| 22:57.40 | Orbixx | Produces one row |
| 22:57.41 | themill | how do you do that without logging in? |
| 22:57.47 | Arrowmaster | hdtdi: find out how to change the fonts in whatever desktop environment you are using and try changing them from the default 'Sans' 'Serif' 'Monospace' |
| 22:57.47 | Orbixx | --skip-grant-tables |
| 22:57.48 | metalfoo | You dropped the mysql privileges by yourself then. |
| 22:57.54 | Orbixx | No, I did not. |
| 22:58.01 | Orbixx | I have literally just installed this from apt. |
| 22:58.06 | themill | Orbixx: which version of debian? |
| 22:58.09 | Orbixx | Lenny |
| 22:58.25 | metalfoo | Sure. Debian comes - as said - with a correct initialized version of MySQL. You may run mysql_init_db by yourself of course ... |
| 22:58.36 | themill | Orbixx: hmm.... did you interrupt the installation in some way? |
| 22:58.37 | taras | neither lshw nor hwinfo doesn't show if its 16 or 24 bit card. any other utilities to detect that? |
| 22:58.45 | hdtdi | Arrowmaster, can you give me a hint to change them to what? what is a good looking font ? |
| 22:58.50 | Orbixx | themill: No, it asked to provide a root password, I did, then it finished successfully. |
| 22:58.52 | Orbixx | Well. |
| 22:58.55 | Orbixx | "successfully" |
| 22:58.59 | 20QABMFPH | Can I run, as root, "rm -fr /tmp/*" against my /tmp directory without any future problems? The thing is that, my Debian /tmp is very big. I have already run "bleachbit" to clean that and it did not work. |
| 22:59.07 | Arrowmaster | hdtdi: Deja Vu |
| 22:59.44 | metalfoo | Orbixx: It's not such a big deal though. Just use mysql_install_db by yourself (although this is really likely not a Debian issue, as this works fine in Lenny) |
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| 23:00.40 | Orbixx | metalfoo: Running that... |
| 23:00.44 | Orbixx | "Installation of system tables failed!" |
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| 23:01.03 | Orbixx | ERROR: 1004 Can't create file '/tmp/#sql4e4d_1_0.frm' (errno: 13) |
| 23:01.06 | hdtdi | Arrowmaster, i changed them to dejavu sans mono and now its peeeeeeerfect. thanks |
| 23:01.13 | themill | 20QABMFPH: not really... not if you want existing X sessions, keyring etc to still work. |
| 23:01.19 | metalfoo | errno 13 is "permission denied" as far as I know out of my head |
| 23:01.19 | Arrowmaster | hdtdi: if you want to know what im using personally its DejaVu Sans Book 9 for application font, document font, and desktop font; DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold 9 for window title font; DejaVu Sans Mono Book 9 for fixed width |
| 23:01.23 | jacekowski | OS error code 13: Permission denied |
| 23:01.42 | Orbixx | jacekowski: Running it as root, /tmp is owned by root. |
| 23:01.54 | jacekowski | chmods are incorrect then |
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| 23:02.01 | metalfoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.01 | Orbixx | drwxr-xr-x |
| 23:02.03 | 20QABMFPH | themill, So how can I clean up that? |
| 23:02.23 | themill | Orbixx: that's not the correct permissions for /tmp |
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| 23:02.31 | Orbixx | drwx------ 3 mysql mysql 4.0K 2010-08-06 23:00 mysql |
| 23:02.31 | Orbixx | for /var/lib/mysql |
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| 23:03.10 | metalfoo | Should be drwxr-xr-x |
| 23:03.42 | Orbixx | metalfoo: That's what it is. |
| 23:03.58 | Orbixx | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2010-08-06 22:54 tmp |
| 23:04.10 | themill | 20QABMFPH: manually delete things that are unneeded or use something like tmpreaper |
| 23:04.22 | metalfoo | I talk about /var/lib/mysql (where mysql_install_db actually creates privilege tables) |
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| 23:04.45 | themill | Orbixx: that's not the correct permissions for /tmp |
| 23:04.58 | Orbixx | Would somebody mind telling me the correct permissions? |
| 23:05.13 | themill | Orbixx: 1777. |
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| 23:05.32 | themill | Why are all your file modes screwed up? What have you been doing? |
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| 23:06.46 | ax-ax | My soundcard stopped working properly. I found "hda-intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode: last cmd=0x100f0000" in the syslog, but what is wrong in human terms? :s |
| 23:07.09 | hdtdi | Arrowmaster, everything works but my skype.. its the same (i tried to restart it ) but its still with bad fonts. any ideas ? |
| 23:07.34 | Arrowmaster | hdtdi: i dont know what toolkit skype uses if any |
| 23:08.16 | Arrowmaster | wonder if it uses fontconfig |
| 23:08.37 | themill | qt |
| 23:09.04 | ax-ax | I also see "hda-intel: Codec #1 probe error; disabling it..." in the syslog. |
| 23:09.09 | ax-ax | Anyone? |
| 23:09.17 | hdtdi | i will google it |
| 23:09.34 | Arrowmaster | hdtdi: find out if you have qt4-qtconfig installed |
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| 23:10.09 | hdtdi | Arrowmaster, i have qtconfig-qt4 |
| 23:10.58 | Arrowmaster | although last time i messed with qt4-qtconfig to try and fix fonts in qt apps it didnt work great and i had to override fontconfig myself to get settings to propagate |
| 23:11.24 | hdtdi | i guess i will google it how to change font in skype |
| 23:11.24 | Arrowmaster | hdtdi: yeah thats the program, i listed the package name |
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| 23:16.54 | Symbi0nt | can someone give me a hint for tar --exclude |
| 23:17.04 | Symbi0nt | I want to exclude certain files like *.zip |
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| 23:17.27 | Symbi0nt | but still even with tar -czvf --exclude="*.zip" tar gets them |
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| 23:19.27 | nkuttler | Symbi0nt: i'd guess the man page covers that. or has a reference to some info command |
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| 23:20.03 | nkuttler | indeed. http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/index.html |
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| 23:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... what do the version-number like things of the kmuto images mean? |
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| 23:43.23 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Would they correspond with kernels? |
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| 23:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kmuto |
| 23:44.21 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 23:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 23:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | the 0116 are 2.6.32, 0627 is 2.6.30 and 0302 is 2.6.28 |
| 23:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't seem to make a lot of sense |
| 23:45.25 | themill | isn't it just the date he released them? |
| 23:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2016, 2027 and 2002? |
| 23:47.03 | themill | 0116 was released on January 16. |
| 23:47.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, possible |
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| 23:48.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | also would be good if the architecture was in the name... i just found that confusing |
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| 23:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, it's the best explanation one an come up with :) |
| 23:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially since it matches the release date :) |
| 23:53.35 | themill | :) |
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| 23:55.55 | Gnintendo | I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade to sid from squeeze but I got a couple errors when upgrading |
| 23:56.11 | Gnintendo | hmm |
| 23:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that surprised you? |
| 23:56.15 | Gnintendo | let me find somewhere to paste it |
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| 23:56.31 | Gnintendo | not really, I just want to know how to upgrade to sid |
| 23:56.40 | Gnintendo | as getting squeeze and doing a dist-upgrade appears to be the only way |
| 23:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't you do it in the first place to finally see some errors? |
| 23:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sid |
| 23:56.55 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 23:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sid upgrade |
| 23:57.24 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 23:57.25 | Gnintendo | no, I wanted the newer packages for development |
| 23:57.47 | Gnintendo | and that's just playing at the word upgrade, c |
| 23:57.52 | Gnintendo | "change-grade," if you prefer |
| 23:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | breakage |
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| 23:58.59 | Arrowmaster | i think a testing/unstable mix is a lot more sane than just unstable |
| 23:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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