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| 00:00.37 | Gnintendo | OK, here's a paste of the attempted dist-upgrade: http://pastie.org/private/updgoavewjy5fkplksxw |
| 00:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arrowmaster, although _someone_ probably has to test all of them :) |
| 00:00.51 | Gnintendo | what's the "proper" way to finish this upgrade? |
| 00:01.17 | Gnintendo | it should be noted this Linux install is on a USB drive with GRUB installed to the MBR |
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| 00:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | use aptitude? |
| 00:02.13 | Gnintendo | >.> |
| 00:02.17 | Gnintendo | I'm not used to aptitude |
| 00:02.28 | Gnintendo | I've used APT...forever...>.< |
| 00:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then you know for like forever minus some years how to handle that |
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| 00:02.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
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| 00:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | "with weeping and howling" |
| 00:03.36 | Martin___ | I tried to upgrade from lenny to squeeze... now X won't start, and no networking |
| 00:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hint, you swith the wod "apt-get" to "aptitude" in your command |
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| 00:04.37 | Gnintendo | I didn't think aptitude had either a check or a dist-upgrade command |
| 00:04.51 | Gnintendo | I thought aptitude was full-upgrade or something along those lines |
| 00:05.21 | Gnintendo | so I'm assuming you want me to run aptitude check because I'm not as sure about the lack of that |
| 00:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that syntax-change was done with both, iirc |
| 00:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude has much better dependency resolution |
| 00:05.57 | Gnintendo | i don't believe dependencies was the problem with the upgrade. |
| 00:06.01 | Gnintendo | I* |
| 00:06.23 | Gnintendo | which might indicate you only read my apt-get check |
| 00:06.34 | Gnintendo | and failed to read any of the actual upgrade, although that is just a shot in the dark |
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| 00:07.35 | Arrowmaster | like this? |
| 00:07.43 | Arrowmaster | run-parts: failed to stat component /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub: No such file or directory |
| 00:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you're right.. skipped a bit too much |
| 00:08.05 | Gnintendo | : |
| 00:08.10 | Gnintendo | >.> |
| 00:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... skipped too much too fast |
| 00:08.52 | Gnintendo | so...? |
| 00:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in the bts for grub and the kernel |
| 00:09.05 | Arrowmaster | there was a change recently |
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| 00:09.24 | Arrowmaster | i think the kernel package stopped updating grub in its postinst |
| 00:09.56 | Gnintendo | bts? |
| 00:09.56 | Arrowmaster | !bts |
| 00:09.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 00:09.56 | Gnintendo | ah. |
| 00:10.06 | Gnintendo | like I mentioned at first |
| 00:10.37 | Gnintendo | I think this might have something to do with the fact that I Linux installed on a USB drive with GRUB in the MBR |
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| 00:12.08 | Gnintendo | hmm |
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| 00:12.27 | Arrowmaster | find out what package installed that /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub |
| 00:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | not likely if testing booted |
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| 00:14.14 | Martin___ | I tried to update from lenny to squeeze.. first I changed the sources.list, then aptitude update, aptitude install aptitude linux-image-686, rebooted, safe-upgrade and full-upgrade. Now, X won't start, it even says that X does not exist.. (/usr/bin/x: no such file) |
| 00:14.23 | Martin___ | Have anyone tried that? |
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| 00:14.46 | Gnintendo | err |
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| 00:15.10 | Gnintendo | ArrowMaster: find out what package installed what? |
| 00:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | not lately |
| 00:15.31 | Arrowmaster | that file in zz-update-grub |
| 00:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 00:15.42 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 00:16.12 | Gnintendo | Arrowmaster: how would I go about that? |
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| 00:16.54 | Martin___ | CutMeOwnThroat: That's what I did |
| 00:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... |
| 00:17.09 | Martin___ | I fear that I have to do a clean install :( |
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| 00:17.18 | Arrowmaster | Gnintendo: dpkg -S zz-update-grub |
| 00:17.43 | Gnintendo | grub-pc |
| 00:18.01 | Gnintendo | grub-pc is the package. |
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| 00:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Martin___, what does dpkg -l xserver-xorg say? |
| 00:19.03 | Martin___ | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll have to boot into linux to see - I'm in windows now. The squeeze update also killed my network connection |
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| 00:19.43 | Gnintendo | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 00:20.26 | Arrowmaster | thats kinda strange because im not seeing it with apt-file |
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| 00:20.42 | xae8koo | hello |
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| 00:21.22 | achury | I have tested debian live-cd. Is a nice first step but is very far to meet the quality of knoppix |
| 00:21.40 | Gnintendo | Arrowmaster: that's what it says :P |
| 00:21.45 | Ikarus | lol |
| 00:21.46 | Arrowmaster | hmm i guess apt-file isnt looking at unstable even though i have it in my sources |
| 00:22.17 | streuner | achury: feel free to help |
| 00:22.20 | cast | achury: in what way? |
| 00:22.25 | Gnintendo | so, any suggestions on how to finish this "change-grade" to sid |
| 00:22.55 | achury | About debian live-cd: Very little apps, no locales, very long booting time |
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| 00:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... sweat and tears... figure out what exactly went wrong, write a nice bug report... |
| 00:23.34 | achury | Simply compare with a knoppix 5.3 live-cd |
| 00:23.34 | cast | achury: ahh. its pretty easy to build your own, but, i imagine its just a debian default install? |
| 00:23.40 | Gnintendo | well that's not ideal |
| 00:23.48 | Gnintendo | so either way I end up having to completely reinstall Linux? |
| 00:23.52 | cast | achury: the goal of debian-live and knoppix are different :) |
| 00:23.55 | Gnintendo | and end up on squeeze as the next-best-thing? |
| 00:24.05 | Gnintendo | which is useless for me? |
| 00:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, fix it... |
| 00:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously it fails because /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub is missing |
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| 00:25.16 | cast | Gnintendo: surely you mean debian and not linux, which is trivial to reinstall |
| 00:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | which probably just calls update-grub |
| 00:25.24 | Gnintendo | of course. |
| 00:25.34 | Gnintendo | well, I can't just vaporize the file |
| 00:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you did an upgrade to sid, so you _wanted_ trouble and bug-hunting, so I don't know what exactly you complain about? |
| 00:25.51 | Gnintendo | that's probably not the best abstract-verb to use, but you get the point |
| 00:26.08 | achury | also live-cd has a problm running under qemu for windows. |
| 00:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess it only calls update-grub |
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| 00:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny doesn't even have /etc/kernel... |
| 00:27.14 | achury | The windows manager windows dont keep static on their place, begin moving alone to the point they fall out of the screen |
| 00:27.15 | Gnintendo | I never even started on lenny :P |
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| 00:28.02 | Gnintendo | so, what? |
| 00:28.17 | Gnintendo | i ask if one of you could be a doll and grab the /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub file for me? |
| 00:28.20 | Gnintendo | I* |
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| 00:29.11 | Gnintendo | actually |
| 00:29.13 | Gnintendo | I just checked it |
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| 00:29.16 | Gnintendo | it's theere but it's a broken link |
| 00:29.30 | Gnintendo | to the postinst zz-update-grub |
| 00:29.40 | Gnintendo | which doesn't exist |
| 00:29.41 | Gnintendo | so I need |
| 00:29.46 | Justin | likely all it contais is 'update-grub' |
| 00:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I said... |
| 00:30.00 | Gnintendo | /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-upgrate-grub |
| 00:30.06 | Gnintendo | /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub |
| 00:30.09 | Gnintendo | (fixed) |
| 00:30.18 | Gnintendo | and the postinst.d directory |
| 00:30.24 | Gnintendo | contains a zz-update-grub.dpkg-new file |
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| 00:30.49 | TimTusk | Hey, can someone hit me up a good site that has Emerald and Compiz themes? |
| 00:30.54 | Gnintendo | so... |
| 00:31.20 | Gnintendo | what do you want me to do exactly? |
| 00:31.51 | Justin | lol |
| 00:31.57 | Justin | mv zz-update-grub.dpkg-new zz-update-grub |
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| 00:34.47 | Gnintendo | mv /home/gregory/Desktop/zz-update-grub /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub |
| 00:34.49 | ianwizard | TimTusk: google has tons |
| 00:34.50 | Gnintendo | ? |
| 00:34.54 | TimTusk | :P |
| 00:35.12 | Gnintendo | (running that...>.<) |
| 00:35.40 | Gnintendo | mm k |
| 00:35.41 | Gnintendo | now |
| 00:35.45 | Gnintendo | in theory |
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| 00:35.50 | Gnintendo | I could just run dist-upgrade again |
| 00:35.58 | Gnintendo | ? |
| 00:36.10 | Gnintendo | would that be the "proper" way to resume this? |
| 00:37.18 | Gnintendo | Justin/CutMeOwnThroat? |
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| 00:37.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | "not" |
| 00:37.42 | Gnintendo | ? |
| 00:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | really, if you run sid, you are supposed to be able to deal with this and do it... |
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| 00:39.01 | Gnintendo | that's not really an answer... |
| 00:39.28 | Martin___ | dpkg -l xserver-xorg shows an "rc" - what does that mean? |
| 00:39.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching xserver-xorg shows an "rc" - what does that mean |
| 00:40.20 | Gnintendo | CutMeOwnThroat: So I should just be able to continue with an apt-get dist-upgrade again, right? |
| 00:40.28 | appye | Whenever I boot into a usb image, it never lets me choose the menu options. It just goes directly into a default install. I need the advanced installer and I need to append a boot parameter... If I cannot make it so the menu works, can I edit the syslinux file or soemthing? |
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| 00:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you try it and see? |
| 00:40.43 | Gnintendo | half of me says I should correct the dependencies first |
| 00:41.02 | Gnintendo | but I'm not sure that would really effect anything in the long run |
| 00:41.18 | Gnintendo | haha, yes :P |
| 00:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | appye, I just tried that with the kmuto image and it did let me choose... |
| 00:41.25 | streuner | Martin___: the package is removed |
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| 00:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Martin___, fix networking first... more painful without net than without X |
| 00:42.10 | Gnintendo | haha, yes, I'll give you guys a shout if I run into any other problems |
| 00:42.21 | Gnintendo | that aren't painfully obvious |
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| 00:43.16 | Martin___ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes your right.. |
| 00:43.28 | appye | CutMeOwnThroat: well, I downloaded the 0116 version of boot.img.gz and ran a 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb' and it created the thing just fine, but did not let me choose the menu. Perhaps it is a hardware problem or something? |
| 00:43.35 | appye | CutMeOwnThroat: I am using a netbook. |
| 00:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you also need to mount it and copy an iso inside... |
| 00:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but yes... that's what I did with the 0116, too and it did let me choose |
| 00:44.24 | ianwizard | If a partition starts at sector 63, should I skip 63 or 62 sectors to access it? |
| 00:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | the i386 boot.gz, to be precise |
| 00:44.31 | appye | CutMeOwnThroat: I did forget to do that, but should that matter with the boot screen? |
| 00:44.37 | appye | CutMeOwnThroat: me too. |
| 00:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... kernel boots first... it just doesn't find the iso lateron |
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| 00:45.52 | appye | that's what I figured. so then how can I edit the syslinux (or something else?) to just go straight into an expert install with my boot params? |
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| 00:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's weird... |
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| 00:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | appye, perhaps some key stayed pressed on the kbd? |
| 00:50.06 | appye | okay, well I am thinking I can edit text.cfg with the contents of adtext.cfg and add my params there. |
| 00:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... same image, should give same results? |
| 00:50.30 | appye | CutMeOwnThroat: well, I don't think so, I have been having this problem since last night with different images. |
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| 00:50.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I just noticed... installer doesn't really allow you to use an encrypted wireless? |
| 00:51.17 | appye | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it would, but you would have to shell out first and configure wpa supplicant I believe. |
| 00:51.26 | appye | if it even has it. |
| 00:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 00:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's not even iwconfig |
| 00:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that kinda sucks |
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| 00:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no wired internet in this house! |
| 00:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just wep, though |
| 00:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | also ... doh "guided, use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm" |
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| 00:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | no wonder people always ask about their problems with that... |
| 00:55.53 | appye | do I append kernel params after the -- in the line? |
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| 00:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok, it does do wireless stuff... just didn't detect the wireless card |
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| 00:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, dunno, didn't mess with that lately |
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| 00:58.18 | kairu0 | heya |
| 00:59.11 | appye | instead of: append priority=low initrd=initrd.gz debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true -- rootfstype=ext4 |
| 00:59.11 | appye | I would go with: append priority=low initrd=initrd.gz debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true rootfstype=ext4 -- |
| 00:59.12 | appye | jk |
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| 00:59.30 | appye | crap. using android's usb tether for this rom is not too reliable i guess. |
| 01:01.03 | appye | CutMeOwnThroat: but it is not gonna do wpa2 is it? |
| 01:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was some wap(?) option... dunno if that encompassed wpa2... didn't need, didn't try |
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| 01:04.18 | appye | well, here goes. hope this hackery works. |
| 01:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's pretty lame though is, that you have no way to tell if you managed to associate the AP |
| 01:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well.. good night |
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| 01:16.03 | exaboy | who had installed php5.2.10 on lenny? its not apart of the stable release so im wondering if its OK |
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| 01:19.32 | exaboy | anyone? |
| 01:24.12 | Knorrie | 5.3 is in squeeze |
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| 01:26.01 | exaboy | what is squeeze? |
| 01:26.06 | Knorrie | 5.2.6 is in lenny, there's no 5.3 in backports, so i guess if you want 5.2.10 you're sort of on your own |
| 01:26.19 | Knorrie | squeeze is the next version of debian stable |
| 01:26.47 | streuner | sure, if you insane enough you run php, or you know exactly what you doing... |
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| 01:27.16 | TZug | i have a initramfs from a debian lenny installation and I want to make some changes to it, added new init-* scripts and automatic loaded modules and get them working with "update-initramfs -u" but how can i get a driver module inside the package to load it manually in an init-* script? |
| 01:27.24 | streuner | well, some people say you are insane if you run php |
| 01:27.32 | Knorrie | what's the exact reason you need 5.2.10 over 5.2.6? |
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| 01:27.57 | exaboy | Knorrie: couche db has a compiled library for php . i want to run that ;) |
| 01:28.40 | exaboy | it requires 5.2.3+ |
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| 01:28.51 | HazardX | is there any way to connect a tty (like a login shell) to a socket? (like doing cat /dev/ttyS0 to a serial port, except bidirectional) |
| 01:28.59 | exaboy | this is for a prod box though so i dont want PHP going tits up. |
| 01:29.05 | Knorrie | i expect the easiest way is to get that lib running for 5.2.6 then if you want to use it on lenny |
| 01:29.08 | exaboy | *sorry for the swear |
| 01:29.34 | exaboy | yeah i aint re-writing it :P |
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| 01:29.58 | Knorrie | 5.2.6 should qualify for 5.2.3+ |
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| 01:30.34 | exaboy | where would i get the deb for that then? |
| 01:30.47 | Knorrie | for what? |
| 01:31.02 | exaboy | 5.2.6 |
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| 01:31.31 | Knorrie | ask couchdb to support it |
| 01:32.30 | exaboy | lol i mean where do it get the PHP deb for 5.2.6 |
| 01:32.43 | exaboy | i will email the dude and see if he will backport ;) |
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| 01:33.30 | Knorrie | php 5.2.6 is in your system now if you run debian lenny |
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| 01:34.35 | Remi_|2 | I'm running a debian server, with Proxmox on it. Proxmox is a VPS system. I have 8 VM's in that. I used to run that on a P4 2GHz/4GB DDR2/250GB SATA2. I recently moved the vm's to a new server, same software (fresh install though), same vm's, but C2D 2.4GHz, 8GB DDR2 ECC, 250GB SATA2. I'd expected better performance, but IODelay peaks to 100% on simple 'cp' commands. Any clues in which direction I should start troubleshooting? |
| 01:35.05 | exaboy | pecl/couchdb requires PHP (version >= 5.2.10), installed version is 5.2.6-1+lenny9 |
| 01:35.10 | exaboy | sorry i was talkign crap. |
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| 01:35.31 | exaboy | i need 5.2.10 or 5.3 if 100% stable |
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| 01:39.13 | Knorrie | well then, either it's a no go, or you need to get a newer php on your lenny system. that could be difficult. newer php is not in backports for lenny, so either the php maintainers didn't care to provide it, or is wasn't too easy to do |
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| 01:41.51 | streuner | Knorrie: or they just dont like php much |
| 01:42.39 | Knorrie | i expect that the people that maintain php packages for debian do care about php |
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| 01:44.44 | streuner | and that's the reason why you expect a backport then? :-) |
| 01:45.18 | Knorrie | i don't expect it, i just notice it's not there, and pass that information to exaboy |
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| 01:47.32 | Knorrie | because if it were, it probably could be a way to help exaboy with his question |
| 01:48.24 | streuner | well, if you want help him with this question, good luck... |
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| 01:50.08 | exaboy | feel the live :p |
| 01:50.12 | exaboy | love |
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| 01:51.40 | Knorrie | i think telling that it's not a good idea to go and break his debian system by messing around with php packages just because he/she wants to have some weird extension that's not supported could be of some help |
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| 01:54.15 | Knorrie | despite not liking php at all myself, i'm not in for an attitude to be unhelpful to people that do use it |
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| 01:55.17 | FrozenFire[work] | Beyond having the Debian install documentation on-hand, is there anything I should read up on before making the switch from Ubuntu to Debian as a desktop distro? |
| 01:55.40 | cast | nah, its pretty easy to use |
| 01:56.07 | Knorrie | FrozenFire[work]: just enjoy, and when you have questions, feel free to ask |
| 01:56.09 | dcbevins | just be aware of which repositories you use, using the wrong ones can cause strangness |
| 01:56.14 | xoz | FrozenFire[work]: try familiarizing with console commands instead of relying on GUI |
| 01:56.20 | dcbevins | the default ones are fine, its when you go adding some |
| 01:56.41 | FrozenFire[work] | I consider myself fairly competent with Linux, and shell-fu in general. I'm speaking mainly of setting up the window manager, and so on. |
| 01:56.59 | FrozenFire[work] | I've become quite fed-up with Metacity lately. |
| 01:57.00 | xuser | FrozenFire[work]: why are you switching? |
| 01:57.04 | dcbevins | just good ole gnome |
| 01:57.10 | dcbevins | no sweat |
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| 01:57.53 | cast | e16 for life! |
| 01:58.04 | FrozenFire[work] | xuser, A few gripes about how it handles non-vanilla configurations. |
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| 01:58.32 | FrozenFire[work] | Ubuntu tends to degrade quickly with even minor tweaking beyond what's available with its configuration GUIs. |
| 01:58.41 | FrozenFire[work] | Also, NetworkManager. 'Nuff said. |
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| 01:59.41 | cast | and its not so much a free OS :( |
| 01:59.49 | cast | curses |
| 02:00.01 | Remi_|2 | is it too soon to repeat my question already? |
| 02:00.14 | xuser | FrozenFire[work]: you can disable NM and just edit /etc/network/* |
| 02:00.31 | FrozenFire[work] | But, I won't get into Ubuntu-bashing ;). I love the distro for many things. It simply doesn't hold up against my push-it-till-it-breaks nature ;) |
| 02:00.51 | FrozenFire[work] | xuser, I've thought about it, but it's a little beyond just NM |
| 02:02.36 | Knorrie | Remi_|2: probably telling how exactly you are measuring 'IODelay' would help. i don't really see why switching hardware could make such a difference |
| 02:02.42 | KB1JWQ | u/68 |
| 02:04.06 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: I suspect it's taken from 'top', it's shown in a webinterface. But I notice it in using, and system load goes to 5 (that I've noticed, could be higher). It's so high, I can't open a new ssh connection to the box, and MySQL (which runs in one of the vm's) can't return a record within 2 minutes |
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| 02:04.33 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: when the cp task completes, everything is back to normal, and load to 0 |
| 02:04.53 | Knorrie | Remi_|2: so a 'normal' copy operation leads to high load |
| 02:05.27 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: yep. I copy the contents of 1 dir (-R) to another. I used to do that weekly, and never noticed an impact on the 'old' hardware |
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| 02:05.55 | Knorrie | Remi_|2: did you try to look for hardware failure, like a broken disk or sata port? |
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| 02:06.56 | Knorrie | because the software is the same, it could be a hardware-issue |
| 02:07.02 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: I was more looking for a test to prove that, or at least show the culprit. I'm without clues tbh. The harddisk isn't physically broken, neither is the port. I did not notice any data loss or anything |
| 02:07.43 | Knorrie | when you look at the top program output, does it show a high percentage of iowait? |
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| 02:08.16 | Knorrie | cpu waiting for disk operations to complete |
| 02:09.56 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: just checking, that's indicated by the code 'wa', correct? |
| 02:10.03 | Knorrie | yes it is |
| 02:10.20 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: it's peaking over 80% in the same operation |
| 02:10.32 | Remi_|2 | just hit 95 |
| 02:11.31 | Knorrie | ok, so everything that has to do read or write operations on disk has to get in line in that queue and wait |
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| 02:11.59 | Remi_|2 | memory is definitely out of the question? Since the box also has ECC, and the other didn't, I held that as a possibility |
| 02:12.32 | Knorrie | ECC is always better than non-ECC |
| 02:12.41 | Xenguy | Hi - I'm having a hell of a time trying to setup gpg-agent. It's just not working for me, and really, it shouldn't be that hard to setup. Has anyone got this beastie successfully configured in Debian? |
| 02:12.56 | Remi_|2 | right, but since it does Error correcting, it could be slower (right?). |
| 02:13.08 | Knorrie | i expect there's an issue with your disk throughput or amount of iops |
| 02:13.11 | Knorrie | Remi_|2: no |
| 02:13.17 | Remi_|2 | and to my knowledge, IO isn't restricted to harddisk (no clue if that goes for 'wa' as well) |
| 02:13.25 | Knorrie | Remi_|2: it's just more reliable, not slower |
| 02:13.33 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: what are iops? |
| 02:13.44 | Knorrie | I/O operations |
| 02:13.48 | Knorrie | writes and reads |
| 02:13.56 | Remi_|2 | hdd specific? |
| 02:14.31 | Knorrie | every write and read that is requested for your disk has to be handled, and they can be requesting to read or write something all over the place |
| 02:14.55 | Remi_|2 | seems obvious |
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| 02:15.52 | Mr_Queue | Could someone enlighten me as to why tmpfs is always 100% full? I've always seen it with df but never knew why. |
| 02:16.38 | cast | tmpfs 1009M 0 1009M 0% /dev/shm |
| 02:16.47 | cast | tmpfs 100M 12K 100M 1% /tmp |
| 02:16.53 | cast | doesn't look that way to me ;P |
| 02:17.04 | Knorrie | because you told you're using the same sort of disk-setup (250GB disk on sata) i would expect the performance to be equal at the old and new system. when running the same stuff on it make so much a difference, i'd expect something to be wrong on the hardware-side instead in software (which is why i suggested it |
| 02:17.22 | Knorrie | but it still can be difficult to find out |
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| 02:18.44 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: The same (new) hardware used to run on a SSD with Windows 7 on it. Performance was very sluggish too, much less than I expected from an SSD. I blamed Windows, but given that now similar issues seem to happen, could it be a BIOS setting? |
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| 02:19.00 | Mr_Queue | cast: my fault, I was reading it wrong. |
| 02:19.02 | cast | Remi_|2: TRIM? |
| 02:19.12 | Mr_Queue | tmpfs 721M 0 721M 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 02:19.13 | Mr_Queue | tmpfs 721M 4.0K 721M 1% /dev/shm |
| 02:19.21 | Remi_|2 | cast: please explain what you mean |
| 02:19.33 | simonrvn | it's a command |
| 02:19.37 | Gnintendo | I upgraded from squeeze to sid and I noticed although I have a working wired internet connection, it's not showing up in the network-manager, is this a known sid bug/one I should report or could it just be a result of a common upgrade problem and not really useful? |
| 02:20.10 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade |
| 02:20.10 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 02:20.12 | Gnintendo | err, I "change-graded" |
| 02:20.26 | Gnintendo | I was just correcting myself, I knew somebody would do that :) |
| 02:20.35 | simonrvn | haha |
| 02:20.46 | cast | Remi_|2: it's been evidenced that SSD performance degrades quite a lot, the implementation of the TRIM command seems to mostly solve this |
| 02:21.31 | Knorrie | Remi_|2: are you using the ssd again right now? |
| 02:21.34 | Remi_|2 | cast: it's not running an SSD now. Just a normal drive with platters. However, 'trim' is not a known command on my debian install, nor is it available through apt-get. |
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| 02:21.46 | cast | Remi_|2: google TRIM SSD :) |
| 02:22.10 | cast | Remi_|2: worth knowing about if you plan on deploying SSDs |
| 02:22.21 | Gnintendo | so does anybody know if this is a known network-manager bug off the top of their head? |
| 02:22.51 | Knorrie | ok, so it's not the ssd... still, your experience that another OS on the same hardware did not perform well is also a pointer to an hardware-issue rather than software |
| 02:22.59 | Remi_|2 | cast: thanks for the information, though I think it's irrelevant for my case. Windows 7 was sluggish out of the box, before 'trim' could be usefull. And Debian never touched an SSD |
| 02:23.19 | simonrvn | Gnintendo: not unknown, no |
| 02:23.24 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 02:23.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 02:24.23 | Gnintendo | I wasn't sure if it was a "change-grade" (because using the world upgrade to describe the prcocess known as upgrading by APT is frowned upon) problem or not in which case it's not really useful to anybody to file a bug report |
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| 02:26.32 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: if it's any help, MB is an ASUS P5E WS PRO |
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| 02:27.31 | Knorrie | Remi_|2: i'm not an expert concerning hardware |
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| 02:29.07 | Mr_Queue | anyone using btrfs? |
| 02:29.19 | Knorrie | !anyone |
| 02:29.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:29.21 | Knorrie | :D |
| 02:29.42 | Gnintendo | I just love those corny ! commands for common IRC questions |
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| 02:29.58 | Gnintendo | they just give everybody an excuse to delay an answer indefinitely |
| 02:30.01 | Gnintendo | :s |
| 02:30.07 | Mr_Queue | quick thinking Knorrie |
| 02:30.11 | Gnintendo | idk, I get the point but sometimes it seems a little overboard |
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| 02:30.30 | Judge-- | Hello.. when you are in the shell it says something like debian:~$ In this example, debian is the hostname of the computer? How can It be changed? |
| 02:30.30 | Mr_Queue | yep, agree Gnintendo |
| 02:30.55 | Knorrie | Mr_Queue: sorry |
| 02:31.04 | krisfremen | Judge--: well, there's an option to change it during install |
| 02:31.07 | Remi_|2 | Gnintendo: it really helps in fresh visitors give you the information you need, in a way you can use it, so you can help them out. It may seem a little harsh at first, but it speeds up giving a usuable answer incredibly |
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| 02:31.22 | Remi_|2 | *in making |
| 02:31.30 | krisfremen | Judge--: otherwise i think it was /etc/hostname |
| 02:31.38 | Gnintendo | Like I said, I understand |
| 02:31.50 | Judge-- | krisfremen I made an Automated Install, may be that's why I missed it? Or I just didn't paied enough attention :/ |
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| 02:32.02 | Judge-- | thank you krisfremen |
| 02:32.05 | Gnintendo | but sometimes it seems it can be misused and it can set a mindset that one's question can simply be ignored using a ! |
| 02:32.11 | Gnintendo | (group mindset) |
| 02:32.11 | krisfremen | welcome mate |
| 02:32.48 | Gnintendo | it's not really a problem, it just can be. |
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| 02:33.19 | bzzzz | !testing |
| 02:33.19 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 02:33.27 | Mr_Queue | !! |
| 02:33.27 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:33.32 | Knorrie | Mr_Queue: do you have a problem while using it, or are you just trying to ask if anyone at all uses it? |
| 02:33.34 | Mr_Queue | lol |
| 02:33.42 | bzzzz | phew, i'm not out of date |
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| 02:34.50 | Mr_Queue | Knorrie: If anyone is using it. I know ext4 has been slow to be accepted, and btrfs looks to be the next serious replacement from what I read. Around since *.29 |
| 02:34.55 | Gnintendo | anyway, I think more direct (verbal so-to-speak?) approaches to correcting something may be better off for the channel as a whole |
| 02:35.07 | Gnintendo | as opposed to just using a command to save time |
| 02:35.08 | Mr_Queue | 2 |
| 02:35.17 | Gnintendo | eh, that's two cents |
| 02:35.23 | Gnintendo | take it or leave it |
| 02:35.29 | Gnintendo | I have to go anyway, bye... |
| 02:35.29 | Mr_Queue | missed a / in irssi |
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| 02:36.46 | Knorrie | Mr_Queue: i think btrfs is great, and you can help it become greater by using it and providing feedback when you encouter problems. i also know btrfs is not supposed to give you 100% reliability right now, so you'd better not using it in production setups where you care about your data |
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| 02:37.14 | Knorrie | 'there might be a bug that in your particular bla bla destroys all your data' |
| 02:37.17 | hdtdi | i cant change the key combination for changing the keyboard layout :S i am with debian lenny and kde and in enable xkb options. i check the box "alt+ctrl change layout" hit apply but nothing happens i even added Option "XkbOptions" "grp:ctrl_alt_toggle" (restarted kde) but still nothing |
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| 02:39.55 | Mr_Queue | Knorrie: that was my gut feeling. I havent read anything about Debian including it in the installer. Perhaps the famous child will jump at making it the default soon enough. |
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| 02:42.30 | Knorrie | Mr_Queue: 'when it's ready' i also think (but that's more of a feeling i have instead of having real numbers on it) sysadmins wait with the ext3->ext4 transition while looking at the progress of btrfs |
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| 02:45.30 | Knorrie | and installing a new system is much more easy than dealing with upgrades and transitions on lots of running systems, which have lots of users depending on it |
| 02:48.20 | Mr_Queue | Knorrie: yeah I agree. I've yet to move my stuff to ext4. Mainly because I'm still on the 26 hernel with Lenny. |
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| 02:56.02 | Hatsjoe | I have a question, I need to open a file (read-only) trough PHP with file() which is not owned by my httpd (www-data), how can I do this? I keep getting permission denied errors |
| 02:56.54 | icebrain | Hatsjoe: if it doesn't have read permissions for all user, you can't |
| 02:57.10 | Hatsjoe | it chmodded to 777 |
| 02:57.28 | cast | Hatsjoe: fail. |
| 02:57.47 | Hatsjoe | I know I fail.. im stoned, dont blame me, blame amsterdam :P |
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| 02:59.49 | trebuchet | How do I store the status of permission attributes of on-disk files in a way I can restore them if I chmod 777 -R /* or something |
| 03:00.18 | cast | that's an interesting question |
| 03:00.24 | jmarsden | trebuchet: Make a backup :) |
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| 03:01.12 | cast | i can only think of cludgy ways involving find/ls and chmod |
| 03:01.14 | trebuchet | jmarsden: I am essentially, but only of one part that can be synchronized and tested quickly |
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| 03:01.49 | cast | how about, you don't run retarded commands as root |
| 03:02.11 | jmarsden | I have a feeling you can use tripwire or aide to create a database that includes file perms, but I don't know if they have a "set my filesystem to match the database" capability. |
| 03:02.30 | trebuchet | that will probably be my job |
| 03:03.02 | cast | seems unlikely, as its outside the scope of an iDS |
| 03:03.28 | jmarsden | trebuchet: Your job is to run retarded commands as root? :) :) |
| 03:04.11 | jmarsden | For a subtree backup/restore you could use use tar zcf and restore with tar zxfp -- is that workable for you? |
| 03:04.45 | cast | that will do something quite a bit different to what he wanted |
| 03:04.47 | trebuchet | jmarsden: By running that command and fixing it I can generate about fifty pages of documentation of how to recover, and that pleases my employer and makes it look like I'm doing something. But I'm running out of creative ways to fsck my system plausibly for the reports |
| 03:05.33 | trebuchet | I don't think he reads past the cover anyway, end-of-summer deadline for him and that means he'll just checkmark it |
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| 03:05.55 | jmarsden | If you get desperate, you could hire me to mess up your machine for you, and then see if you can recover :) |
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| 03:06.16 | trebuchet | jmarsden: I'll keep that in mind :) |
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| 03:11.37 | TZug | where does update-initramfs -ut gets the information to throw away a custom initramfs and build a new one from scratch? |
| 03:14.28 | TZug | i'm trying to put more moduls in the initramfs but dont want them to be loaded automatically during bootup. if I do this manual over extrackting and repacking I loose the work on the next update-initramfs -u(t) |
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| 03:16.44 | Remi_|2 | Knorrie: set the bios to use SATA as AHCI instead of 'Enhanced IDE', and now it tops at 67%. Seems enough of an improvement for now |
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| 03:22.28 | Omega11 | hi |
| 03:22.33 | Omega11 | debian linux is basically shit |
| 03:22.57 | TZug | ?? |
| 03:24.01 | hdtdi | is that so :) |
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| 03:26.55 | rubin110 | Anyone know of a good guide for upgrading from stable to testing? |
| 03:27.14 | rubin110 | Or from sid to testing? |
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| 03:29.13 | cast | sid to testing is unpossible |
| 03:29.44 | cast | stable to testing is easy, but if you have to ask rather than google, maybe you should want till its released |
| 03:29.55 | Omega11 | yea |
| 03:29.58 | Omega11 | thats telling him |
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| 03:30.05 | Omega11 | if u have to ask rather then google u r dumb |
| 03:30.09 | Omega11 | so go fuck urslef |
| 03:30.12 | Omega11 | bitch |
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| 03:30.35 | rubin110 | cast: Well I've alerady gone through two lenny installs that got borked because the guide I used was missing something. |
| 03:30.41 | rubin110 | Omega11: Great, nice to know. |
| 03:30.48 | Omega11 | fuck |
| 03:30.49 | Omega11 | ass |
| 03:30.50 | Omega11 | bitch |
| 03:30.51 | Omega11 | ass |
| 03:30.52 | Omega11 | bitch |
| 03:30.55 | trebuchet | !ops Omega11 the obvious |
| 03:30.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: trebuchet complains about: Omega11 the obvious |
| 03:31.14 | Omega11 | !ops rebuchet he is gay and sux cock |
| 03:31.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: omega11 complains about: rebuchet he is gay and sux cock |
| 03:31.24 | rubin110 | Epic. |
| 03:31.25 | rubin110 | Anyhow. |
| 03:32.03 | rubin110 | What I should be asking is if someone could link me to a guide that is known to work. |
| 03:32.11 | trebuchet | rubin110: You shouldn't be using a HOWTO. Methodical study of how the system works and installation methods will give you the breadth and depth to know the why and how of preventing breaking your installs. |
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| 03:32.33 | jmarsden | !tell rubin110 -about lenny->testing |
| 03:32.47 | rubin110 | All I need to know is when to use apt-get and when to use aptitude. |
| 03:32.58 | trebuchet | :| |
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| 03:33.08 | Omega11 | shit |
| 03:33.09 | Omega11 | ballz |
| 03:33.10 | Omega11 | bitch |
| 03:33.11 | Omega11 | fuck |
| 03:33.11 | Omega11 | ass |
| 03:33.12 | Omega11 | cock |
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| 03:33.22 | Omega11 | fuckerz |
| 03:33.23 | Omega11 | i own |
| 03:33.25 | Omega11 | don't kick me |
| 03:33.31 | trebuchet | How did you get here |
| 03:33.31 | rubin110 | jmarsden: Thanks! |
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| 03:33.43 | jmarsden | rubin110: You're welcome. |
| 03:34.09 | rubin110 | Going to give creating a testing netinstall thumb drive another try, then go at installing lenny again. |
| 03:34.32 | Arrowmaster | rubin110: you shouldnt need a guide to install lenny, and for the when to use apt-get and when to use aptitude, always use aptitude |
| 03:34.47 | rubin110 | Arrowmaster: I wasn't asking for a guide on how to install Lenny. :) |
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| 03:35.32 | Arrowmaster | oh bad guide on doing something else broke your already installed lenny? |
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| 03:36.12 | rubin110 | Yes. |
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| 03:36.19 | rubin110 | Ultimately I want testing running on this netbook. |
| 03:36.44 | rubin110 | Current daily netisntall builds are broken some how, so is the alpha 1. |
| 03:36.53 | rubin110 | So I figure I can just go at it through installing lenny first. |
| 03:38.24 | Omega11 | fuck u |
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| 03:43.02 | Chiggins | Does apt-get exist in debian? |
| 03:43.21 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:43.38 | icebrain | !apt-get |
| 03:43.39 | dpkg | apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt> but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get |
| 03:43.59 | icebrain | Chiggins: but aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
| 03:44.10 | Chiggins | gotcha |
| 03:44.10 | Chiggins | also |
| 03:44.53 | Chiggins | im kinda new to debian, but i do have linux experiences. what exactly should i download? should i get the minimal CD? or would i benefit by downloading the torrent dvds? |
| 03:45.19 | rubin110 | Chiggins: If you've got a wired net connection, get the netinst iso. |
| 03:45.37 | icebrain | !netinstall |
| 03:45.37 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 03:45.47 | Chiggins | no wired connection :( |
| 03:45.49 | rubin110 | That starts an installer which can initialize your network interface, partition your hard drive, then start downloading packages through the net for install. |
| 03:46.20 | icebrain | Chiggins: then get the normal CD |
| 03:46.28 | Arrowmaster | Chiggins: unless you dont have access to the internet during install time or you think your wireless nic might be 'difficult' to get working the netinstall is all you need |
| 03:46.54 | Chiggins | so if i cant use the netinstall, i should just use the "minimal cd" ? |
| 03:47.26 | icebrain | Chiggins: I'd use the normal CD: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 03:47.36 | rubin110 | Ok so I grabbed boot.img.gz and the debian netinst iso, then I did zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdfoo |
| 03:47.49 | rubin110 | Then I copied the debian iso to the thumb drive after mounting it. |
| 03:47.51 | Omega11 | fuck u all |
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| 03:48.32 | rubin110 | After the machine reboots with the thumb drive loaded, all I see is a linking cursor. |
| 03:48.35 | Chiggins | can i use the jigdo image on a usb drive? |
| 03:48.38 | rubin110 | er blinking. |
| 03:49.51 | icebrain | Chiggins: yes, but see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 03:50.04 | Arrowmaster | rubin110: are you sure that system supports booting from usb? |
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| 03:50.46 | Chiggins | can i just use something like unetbootin to make the usb drive bootable |
| 03:51.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 03:53.03 | rubin110 | Arrowmaster: I just booted an SD card with Google Chromium on it, booted up some crap that unetbootin created, and last week I was able to boot up the debian lenny installer. |
| 03:53.30 | rubin110 | I am starting to not trust anything unetbootin spits out. |
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| 03:56.19 | rubin110 | Anything else I can try on this thumb drive to make it happy? |
| 03:56.25 | Chiggins | the jigdo homepage is down, so how do i download jigdo? :( |
| 03:56.39 | rubin110 | Or should I assume that the daily builds of testing are borked? |
| 03:57.27 | dvs | rubin110, what are you trying to do? Make an install CD on a USB drive? |
| 03:57.54 | rubin110 | USB drive. |
| 03:58.09 | rubin110 | I grabbed boot.img.gz and the debian netinst iso, then I did zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdfoo |
| 03:58.18 | rubin110 | Then I copied the debian iso to the thumb drive after mounting it. |
| 03:58.29 | rubin110 | After the machine reboots with the thumb drive loaded, all I see is a binking cursor. |
| 03:58.32 | rubin110 | blinking |
| 03:58.43 | rubin110 | The machine is able to boot other things off of the same thumb drive. |
| 03:59.03 | dvs | rubin110, which iso did you grab? |
| 03:59.27 | rubin110 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:59.45 | dvs | ah |
| 03:59.45 | rubin110 | Though at this point the iso really doesn't matter, as it's not booting anything. |
| 04:00.10 | dvs | rubin110, did you get the daily boot.img.gz too? |
| 04:00.17 | rubin110 | Yes. |
| 04:00.26 | dvs | hmm.. |
| 04:00.43 | Rusty1 | i've found that i've had to zero out the usb drive, mkfs-vfat it then use unetbootin YMMV |
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| 04:00.59 | dvs | I prefer to do "the flexible way" when making an USB drive install "disk" |
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| 04:03.20 | Judge-- | Hello, I'm having problem with my locale.. I tryed to change the default language of the system by unchecking the PT-BR language from "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and selecting only EN, but now I'm getting this error http://paste.debian.net/82439/ |
| 04:03.32 | Judge-- | I would appreciate if someone could give me some help |
| 04:06.09 | rubin110 | Rusty1: Do you have a recommended way of zeroing out the drive? |
| 04:06.35 | rubin110 | dvs: Flexible way? |
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| 04:07.35 | rubin110 | Oh I see. |
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| 04:10.25 | Rusty1 | rubin110: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/drive bs=512 |
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| 04:14.44 | zord0 | hello i have a problem with my postfix configuration. When my server try to send email, this error comes in the log : Aug 7 00:07:51 cpdev postfix/smtp[1051]: connect to alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.39.27]:25: Connection timed out |
| 04:14.58 | zord0 | My isp do not allow connection to port 25 due to a SPAM control or something like that |
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| 04:15.40 | zord0 | so i' wondering if I can say to postfix : send email on https port... |
| 04:15.44 | zord0 | i'm* |
| 04:15.59 | zord0 | any idea? |
| 04:16.15 | Arrowmaster | are you trying to send email to somebody using gmail or are you using gmail as a smart host? |
| 04:16.33 | jmarsden | Judge--: Check that the file /etc/default/locale does not still refer to PT at all? |
| 04:16.43 | zord0 | Postfix is trying to send email to a gmail email. |
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| 04:17.24 | Arrowmaster | then there is nothing you can do if your isp is blocking all outgoing connections to port 25 |
| 04:17.24 | jmarsden | zord0: Your ISP will block incoming email to your port 25, not outbound from you to port 25, surely! Otherwise you would never be able to use any mailservers anywhere... |
| 04:18.09 | Arrowmaster | jmarsden: many mail servers dont allow users to connect with 25 anymore, its only used for server to server |
| 04:18.12 | zord0 | ok so my question will be why postix isn't able to send email true port 25 ! |
| 04:18.24 | alcy | where can I see the finalized list of packages for Squeeze, now that it is frozen ? Just wish to check if djbdns made it or not :) |
| 04:18.40 | jmarsden | zord0: postfix can send email to porty 25 just fine in its default configuration. |
| 04:18.42 | Arrowmaster | ,versions djbdns |
| 04:18.44 | judd | djbdns -- etch-backports: 1:1.05-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.05-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.05-4+lenny1; sid: 1:1.05-8; experimental: 1:1.05-9~exp0 |
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| 04:18.57 | omajgat | Morning :P How can i check whats model motherboard i have? |
| 04:18.58 | Arrowmaster | alcy: looks like no |
| 04:19.17 | zord0 | yeah but now it seems that it do not work because all mail are in mailq |
| 04:19.19 | alcy | Arrowmaster: whoops. sad. |
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| 04:19.44 | Arrowmaster | zord0: youll need to use a smarthost then |
| 04:20.13 | zord0 | but before I was able and on this new setup (Config) i can't so i think that the problem come from my configuration... |
| 04:20.26 | Arrowmaster | which you should be using on a residential dynamic ip connection anyway |
| 04:22.07 | zord0 | well can postfix use my isp's mail server as the smart host? |
| 04:22.17 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:22.46 | zord0 | ok and do you have any guide or link or time to show me how... |
| 04:23.03 | zord0 | i'll look on google first ^^ |
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| 04:24.52 | omajgat | dmidecode... |
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| 04:28.28 | axisys | i am pretty sure it will.. but is there a way to check if debian will run on sun x86 x2270 m2 with 2 Intel 2.40GHz Quad-Core Xeon E5620 and Dual 10-Gigabit Ethernet SFP+ LP |
| 04:28.54 | cast | axisys: will linux run on it? |
| 04:29.08 | cast | axisys: check the docs, what OSes does SUN say will run on it? |
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| 04:29.40 | axisys | cast: it says redhat/opensuse will work.. but they provide drivers for those |
| 04:30.04 | axisys | cast: i guess based on your first question.. debian should run too then |
| 04:30.33 | cast | it should, but it may involve a lot of work |
| 04:30.50 | axisys | planning to run as server |
| 04:31.45 | axisys | cast: i already have the hardware.. i guess best bet would be just install it and see if it works |
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| 04:32.31 | cast | there is debian-live, |
| 04:32.32 | xuser | axisys: there's no reason it shouldn't right away |
| 04:32.37 | xuser | *work |
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| 04:32.58 | cast | xuser: well *most* of it will work, but as to if all of it works... |
| 04:33.04 | axisys | cast: oh yeah.. i will try with the live first.. thanks a lot |
| 04:33.34 | xuser | the only problem I can see is that the lenny kernel won't support all the hardware, in tha case just go with squeeze |
| 04:33.39 | axisys | since i am going to run it as a server.. i will have less drivers to worry about |
| 04:33.50 | cast | axisys: i tend to grab more recent than stable kernels, too, say from bpo [or yeah...could go sqeeze] |
| 04:34.03 | axisys | ok |
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| 04:39.53 | zord0 | well nothing seems to work.. email are now bounce |
| 04:40.04 | zord0 | but do not stay in mailq |
| 04:40.34 | zord0 | said: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) |
| 04:40.51 | zord0 | this is the error i get |
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| 04:44.58 | spersaud | how come release critical bugs suddenly fall off the cliff, is there some kind of secret society ? |
| 04:45.06 | spersaud | when there is about to be a new release |
| 04:45.12 | R-66Y | debian-505-amd64-netinst.iso has finished downloading. |
| 04:45.21 | R-66Y | wonder if this will even boot on my laptop :P |
| 04:45.44 | R-66Y | Ubuntu 10.04 failed epically. |
| 04:45.58 | R-66Y | epicly? whatever. |
| 04:46.16 | spersaud | R-66Y: how much memory does your laptop have ? |
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| 04:47.44 | R-66Y | ...two gigs, why? |
| 04:48.03 | R-66Y | Ubuntu couldn't find my optical drive, so it couldn't find the squashfs/LZMA image to decompress. |
| 04:48.23 | R-66Y | isn't retarded, it just didn't work |
| 04:50.15 | spersaud | R-66Y: just use the regular i386 and upgrade to 686 .. thats what everyone uses .. |
| 04:50.59 | R-66Y | no? |
| 04:51.26 | R-66Y | I'm not trying to troll... didn't ask for help... just pointing out I hope it worked since it's semi-close cousin didn't. |
| 04:51.32 | R-66Y | thanks though |
| 04:51.48 | spersaud | R-66Y: good luck |
| 04:51.57 | R-66Y | thanks ^_^ |
| 04:52.13 | spersaud | R-66Y: I think it depends on the kernel that comes with the image .. |
| 04:52.48 | R-66Y | of course, but I don't feel like recompiling and repacking a kernel and/or module just for the sake of trying a distro I'm definitely not gonna install. |
| 04:53.20 | spersaud | R-66Y: yeah, Lenny is way better , hope it works |
| 04:53.38 | R-66Y | does Squeeze have KMS? |
| 04:53.53 | R-66Y | I didn't look to see what kernel version/configuration it has |
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| 04:57.59 | R-66Y | oh yeah feel the burn of wireless G *taps fingers* |
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| 05:09.36 | iluminator101 | can someone link me to fancontrol speed script for debian squeeze, my dell 640m is over heating |
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| 05:12.40 | R-66Y | iluminator101: try pwmconfig |
| 05:12.49 | iluminator101 | what that |
| 05:12.58 | R-66Y | apt-cache show pwmconfig :) |
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| 05:14.20 | iluminator101 | it doesnt show..... |
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| 05:18.11 | cast | iluminator101: arduino! |
| 05:19.24 | iluminator101 | what? |
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| 05:23.25 | jmarsden | cast: I'd be surprised if there was an arduino inside a Dell 640m doing fan control :) |
| 05:23.46 | cast | jmarsden: prepare to be surprised... |
| 05:23.51 | cast | iluminator101: prepare to buy an arduino.. |
| 05:24.29 | spersaud | dells suck, the best laptop is the Toshiba Tecra, I want to get one but its expensive |
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| 05:26.25 | iluminator101 | spersaud, leadership is by example |
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| 05:30.58 | DrDuck | Hi |
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| 05:35.07 | alcy | is there way to disable services in all the runlevels except manual renaming ? not sure but I think there was an ncurses based packae do that |
| 05:35.26 | alcy | probably rcconf ? |
| 05:36.32 | craigevil | sysv-rc-conf |
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| 05:40.49 | alcy | ah, right thanks |
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| 06:08.15 | yskapell | hello |
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| 06:08.58 | yskapell | When I run padevchooser i get this error ** (padevchooser:23893): WARNING **: pa_browser_new() failed. I have debian testing. Any idea? |
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| 06:25.05 | OrderZero | Alright so scrollkeeper-update is segfaulting on me..along with several other applications that utilize libxml2 |
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| 06:25.59 | OrderZero | http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=1424ql << BT |
| 06:27.35 | yskapell | I check in google but I found nothing usefull |
| 06:27.50 | OrderZero | http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=a6f9ad << BT from gedit |
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| 06:38.55 | alcy | OrderZero: Not sure but either libc or libxml need to be updated to the appropriate versios for your app to work correctly. |
| 06:39.06 | alcy | *version |
| 06:41.29 | D4rKr0W | hello #debian, how does one print the installed packages with version numbers? I run a mixed system and i'd like to know which packages i have installed from testing |
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| 06:42.41 | alcy | D4rKroW: dpkg -l |
| 06:43.16 | alcy | D4rKr0W: dpkg -l |
| 06:43.23 | D4rKr0W | thanks alcohol |
| 06:43.36 | D4rKr0W | alcy, i meant :p |
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| 06:44.19 | rubin110 | Under Squeeze, where's xorg.conf? |
| 06:44.51 | craigevil | rubin110: the usual place but it probably doesn't exist unless you create it |
| 06:45.15 | rubin110 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:45.15 | rubin110 | ? |
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| 06:46.09 | craigevil | !xorg config squeeze |
| 06:46.09 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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| 06:48.42 | rubin110 | Can I move the xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 06:55.19 | fxiny | D4rKr0W: you can try some aptiude recipes or check http://simple.be/software/daudit/ |
| 06:55.25 | fxiny | aptitude* |
| 06:55.50 | OrderZero | alcy: rebuilding libxml right now as a matter of fact :3 |
| 06:56.18 | D4rKr0W | thanks a lot fxiny, i solved it with this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/question/linux/dpkg-cheat-sheet.php |
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| 06:57.08 | D4rKr0W | and now i'm banging my head to the wall for broken dependencies :p |
| 06:57.21 | alcy | OrderZero: rebuilding ? no binary available for you ? |
| 06:58.21 | OrderZero | alcy: I feel better building from source just incase something is wrong that I'm not seeing |
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| 07:02.30 | fxiny | D4rKr0W: mixed system with packages from testing ? squeeze is frozen , why downgrading then ? i'd check a dist-upgrade first |
| 07:03.17 | D4rKr0W | oh |
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| 07:03.38 | D4rKr0W | so youd reccomend upgrading to squeeze already? |
| 07:03.56 | D4rKr0W | i am kinda new to debian so i don't really know what's best |
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| 07:04.20 | D4rKr0W | how does the release cycle works, i mean, what happens now that squeeze is frozen?? |
| 07:05.09 | D4rKr0W | 's keyboard is killing him |
| 07:06.48 | fxiny | D4rKr0W: what i'm saying is : downgrading is not that easy , upgrading is supported . if you are in trouble now , going all the way down back to lenny when squeeze is frozen could be a waste of time |
| 07:07.41 | fxiny | !tell D4rKr0W lenny -> squeeze |
| 07:08.37 | fxiny | the bot he refused ;P |
| 07:08.51 | fxiny | ! lenny -> squeeze |
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| 07:08.57 | fxiny | i give up |
| 07:09.12 | D4rKr0W | that's true fxiny, do you know how much time the freeze will take before squeeze becomes the new stable? |
| 07:09.16 | D4rKr0W | haha, the AI wins :D |
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| 07:10.41 | Vivek | I am chatting from Deb Conf India Mini Conf Pune. |
| 07:11.09 | fxiny | D4rKr0W: no idea , i'm planning a dist-upgrade for tomorrow |
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| 07:12.00 | D4rKr0W | thing is, i need a build enviroment cause mine at the moment is broken, without that i can't apply a security update for the hosting panel i'm using :( |
| 07:13.06 | fxiny | D4rKr0W: you should use aptitude anyway , aptitude takes care of dependecies problems |
| 07:13.31 | D4rKr0W | oh well i guess i'll take some time next week and do a dist upgrade so i won't have to worry about this stuff |
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| 07:13.50 | D4rKr0W | i do use aptitude, the install script does not :s |
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| 07:15.01 | D4rKr0W | i think that couple of packages i installed for testing messed up pretty bad, i must have been drunk when i installed those |
| 07:15.06 | fxiny | D4rKr0W: which packages are you using from testing ? |
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| 07:21.29 | rozie | D4rKr0W: if these are packages, you can easily track them |
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| 07:22.50 | D4rKr0W | http://paste.debian.net/82447/ these are the packages from testin, but i think i have some from backports, like the kernel |
| 07:26.41 | D4rKr0W | i really shouldn't have updated the libc -_- |
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| 07:34.07 | rubin110 | Anyone have expierence with disabling tap to click with atom based netbooks? |
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| 07:43.15 | alcy | rubin110: disable it ? Anyway, you need to check the appropriate section in xorg.conf. pastie it if you like |
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| 07:48.28 | R-66Y | so how do I get Google Chrome running on this biznatch? |
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| 07:48.41 | R-66Y | do I gotta compile it or is there someone hosting a repo for it? |
| 07:49.38 | R-66Y | oooh they have a .deb :D |
| 07:49.39 | OrderZero | http://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb |
| 07:49.44 | R-66Y | heh |
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| 07:50.02 | cast | third party debs are always a good idea |
| 07:50.19 | craigevil | R-66Y: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html |
| 07:50.21 | OrderZero | /ALWAYS/ ;D |
| 07:50.35 | R-66Y | oh lawd |
| 07:50.43 | OrderZero | Normally no, but this is google I mean we know for sure they're going to steal our info so no worries |
| 07:51.41 | fat-lobyte | R-66Y: what's wrong with chromium-browser? Offers same functionality while being open source and even in the repo. |
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| 07:52.00 | R-66Y | yeah I'm gonna compile with hardened flags and patches and sandbox the fuck outta a browser I'm gonna use on my own intranet. yeah. wooo! |
| 07:52.32 | R-66Y | 'cause I don't care about all the FOSS crap, I just wanna try your distro. |
| 07:52.43 | R-66Y | seems innocent enough to me. |
| 07:53.08 | fat-lobyte | R-66Y: kk, but it's not just about the FOSS crap, it's also a lot simpler to install from debian sources |
| 07:53.14 | fat-lobyte | and you get regular updates |
| 07:53.27 | cast | R-66Y: maybe you should use ubuntu then :) because debian is a free operating system, we care. |
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| 07:53.52 | R-66Y | maybe I've been using Linux since the '90s and don't care anymore. |
| 07:53.54 | fat-lobyte | cast: and we _still_ don't want to drive potential users away, don't we? |
| 07:54.18 | cast | R-66Y: to call a primary reason for debians existence crap, seems silly |
| 07:54.21 | R-66Y | I'm not trying to troll, honest. just stop telling me about licenses and random fixes when I don't need help :P |
| 07:54.29 | craigevil | R-66Y: the Chrome .deb will add the Google repo so it stays up to date |
| 07:54.49 | cast | fat-lobyte: depends if the user brings anything to the table ;) |
| 07:54.57 | R-66Y | seems to run well :D |
| 07:55.47 | fat-lobyte | besides, I think chromium/chrome is too young |
| 07:55.50 | craigevil | if you want the dev version use the Google testing repo |
| 07:56.35 | cast | fat-lobyte: there is certainly a kind of user that can erode the foundation of a community, users for the sake of them in itself doesn't seem a useful goal, i'm sure shipping with adobe flash and nvidia drivers would get us more users |
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| 07:57.38 | R-66Y | it's ironic watching the community troll itself, then say other people are the problem. just throwing that out there. |
| 07:57.52 | fat-lobyte | R-66Y: just doing it for fun ;-) |
| 07:58.23 | R-66Y | it's still destructive in the end. but have fun with your games. I'm gonna go play Crysis 10 and never open a command line again :D |
| 07:59.01 | fat-lobyte | cast: you are right, but I am not willing to let Ubuntu dominate the Linux world. We have come to a point where Linux is automatically associated with Ubuntu by people not familiar with it. There are other cool distros (and one great one, guess which ;-) ) |
| 07:59.55 | fat-lobyte | R-66Y: so what do you use actually? WinXP SP1 and SuSE 9? |
| 08:00.12 | R-66Y | you call that trolling? really? |
| 08:00.17 | R-66Y | or was that supposed to be some kinda insult? |
| 08:00.27 | cast | no one's trolling here R-66Y. |
| 08:00.34 | fat-lobyte | doing my best here... Im not that good with trolling |
| 08:00.40 | R-66Y | haha it's ok |
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| 08:00.53 | R-66Y | I run Windows 7... Ultimate, if you care. |
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| 08:01.37 | karbonize | R-66Y: Nice default fonts on that |
| 08:01.44 | fat-lobyte | haha |
| 08:01.49 | fat-lobyte | well that explains something |
| 08:01.52 | R-66Y | I just grabbed Debian to check out the kernel mode setting and such. |
| 08:02.02 | R-66Y | it explains that I spend more time in putty sessions than I do on my desktop? |
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| 08:02.40 | R-66Y | just 'cause my laptop runs Windows 7 doesn't mean I'm ignorant to the ways of the neckbeards |
| 08:02.49 | OrderZero | ;O |
| 08:02.55 | OrderZero | hides his neckbeard |
| 08:03.01 | R-66Y | but who am I proving something to? Internet Strangers with candy? |
| 08:03.11 | OrderZero | and puppies! |
| 08:03.19 | R-66Y | oh shi- I don't like puppies :| |
| 08:03.29 | OrderZero | We'll throw rocks at them! |
| 08:03.36 | OrderZero | Just step into my van |
| 08:03.43 | R-66Y | hehehe |
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| 08:03.51 | R-66Y | does it have a TV in it, mister?! |
| 08:03.57 | cahoot | !saturday |
| 08:03.57 | dpkg | from memory, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 08:04.19 | OrderZero | Eve... |
| 08:04.21 | omid8bimo | hey, i've disabled promisc mode on my wlan0 interface (ifconfig wlan0 -promisc) but still i get too much traffic on it |
| 08:04.25 | OrderZero | Well shit I'm early see you all tomorrow |
| 08:04.27 | omid8bimo | anything else i should do? |
| 08:05.03 | fat-lobyte | damn, who teaches dpkg all that crap?? |
| 08:05.33 | cast | !crap |
| 08:05.33 | dpkg | crap is, like, if its not crap, its hilarious |
| 08:06.22 | fat-lobyte | hahaha, thanks dpkg, now I know :-) |
| 08:06.25 | R-66Y | well this has been extremely fun to the point I don't think my system can take any more adrenaline, and thanks for the hospitality (or your approximation of it) |
| 08:06.35 | R-66Y | catch you folks later |
| 08:06.55 | R-66Y | (but seriously I appreciate the enthusiasm) |
| 08:06.55 | cahoot | don't call us, we call you |
| 08:06.59 | R-66Y | indeed. |
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| 08:08.39 | omid8bimo | anyone? |
| 08:09.04 | OrderZero | Stop transmitting so much traffic you bw hoarder >;D |
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| 08:10.32 | quhan | Hello How to configure font for kde3 apps under kde4 |
| 08:10.32 | fat-lobyte | anybody currently active knows something about packaging? |
| 08:10.41 | cast | sure. |
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| 08:12.03 | fat-lobyte | I have a package that builds an executable and shared libraries required by the executable. The shared libraries aren't useful to any other packages. Where should I put those .so's? do they just go to /usr/lib or /usr/lib/packagename? |
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| 08:13.07 | cast | dunno. |
| 08:13.26 | omid8bimo | OrderZero: i'm receiving my local lan traffic |
| 08:13.33 | omid8bimo | and it's too high |
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| 08:14.08 | omid8bimo | first how can i disable promisc mode on my wlan0 and second why i still receive it if i did turn it off? |
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| 08:14.48 | fat-lobyte | ok. I just failed to find info about this, I mean there is the sharedlib section in the debian policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html but I think this is only for library package. |
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| 08:21.02 | visof | hello |
| 08:21.20 | visof | is there a way to get file with a list of all packages i installed in my system ? |
| 08:21.32 | visof | command line |
| 08:21.46 | visof | and maybe i can redirect the result to a file |
| 08:21.48 | visof | ?? |
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| 08:23.49 | fat-lobyte1 | visof: dpkg -l > pipe-to-somewhere-output-is-very-big |
| 08:24.18 | cahoot | dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt |
| 08:24.18 | dpkg | cahoot: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 08:25.53 | cahoot | or aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list |
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| 08:27.33 | hello1 | dpkh libgpgme-dev |
| 08:27.39 | hello1 | dpkg libgpgme-dev |
| 08:27.39 | dpkg | no idea, hello1 |
| 08:27.47 | hello1 | dpkg libgpgme-dev |
| 08:28.05 | hello1 | no idea ? |
| 08:28.11 | cast | hello1: message the damned bot, and libgpgme11-dev |
| 08:28.40 | hello1 | dpkg libgpgme11-dev |
| 08:28.40 | dpkg | i don't know, hello1 |
| 08:28.49 | hello1 | idonot know lol |
| 08:29.10 | moldovean | , versions libgpgme11-dev |
| 08:29.11 | judd | libgpgme11-dev -- etch: 1.1.2-5; lenny: 1.1.6-2; sid: 1.2.0-1.2; squeeze: 1.2.0-1.2 |
| 08:29.38 | hello1 | cannot find include file gpgme.h. Perhaps you need to install the gpgme development package |
| 08:29.50 | hello1 | what is the package to instll ? |
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| 08:30.10 | Techtronic | libgpgme11-dev |
| 08:30.15 | hello1 | ing state information... Done |
| 08:30.15 | hello1 | libgpgme11-dev is already the newest version. |
| 08:30.42 | Techtronic | libgpgme11-dev: /usr/include/gpgme.h |
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| 08:32.19 | hello1 | um |
| 08:32.29 | hello1 | am compliling gyachi |
| 08:32.51 | hello1 | it stucked at configure: error: cannot find include file gpgme.h. Perhaps you need to install the gpgme development package? |
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| 08:33.02 | moldovean | updatedb , as root |
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| 08:33.48 | liable | !find gpgme.h |
| 08:34.16 | hello1 | . |
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| 08:34.46 | liable | drums fingers |
| 08:35.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gpgme.h' (2): (/usr/include/gpgme.h) in libdevel/libgpgme11-dev ;; (/usr/include/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore/sgpgme.h) in devel/libclaws-mail-dev. |
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| 08:35.19 | liable | hmm |
| 08:35.32 | hello1 | ?? |
| 08:35.36 | opermac | morning all. debian on a g3 imac-any one here done it? |
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| 08:35.48 | liable | did you give configure a path thats non standard or something? |
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| 08:36.05 | hello1 | ./configure --disable-rpath --enable-maintainer-mode --prefix /usr |
| 08:36.07 | jelly-home | hello1: which debian release are you using? Which version of gyachi? |
| 08:36.07 | liable | g3, thats pretty old innit? |
| 08:36.16 | opermac | 500mhz |
| 08:36.20 | opermac | ppc |
| 08:36.31 | liable | opermac: try #debian-ppc on oftc |
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| 08:36.34 | hello1 | debian squeeze gyachi 1.2.10 |
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| 08:36.45 | opermac | ok thanks. |
| 08:37.04 | jelly-home | hello1: are you trying to make a package for it? |
| 08:37.23 | hello1 | no just to install in here to use webcam and voice |
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| 08:37.35 | quhan | I would like 'kcmshell fonts' under kde4, which package should I install |
| 08:37.38 | jelly-home | hello1: why use --prefix=/usr, then? |
| 08:37.41 | hello1 | any other client for yahoo webcam and voice chat |
| 08:37.58 | moldovean | opermac, is #debianppc |
| 08:38.04 | hello1 | i used without it also first than added it later |
| 08:38.27 | opermac | ok... |
| 08:39.39 | hello1 | what packge i install |
| 08:39.40 | hello1 | ? |
| 08:39.55 | hello1 | or any other client for yahoo wbcam and voice |
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| 08:40.59 | hello1 | dpkg libgpgme-dev |
| 08:40.59 | dpkg | hello1: wish i knew |
| 08:41.10 | hello1 | wish i knew hehe |
| 08:41.48 | jelly-home | please stop addressing the bot needlessly |
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| 08:42.07 | hello1 | okay |
| 08:43.05 | hello1 | https://sites.google.com/site/takeabyteclub/gyachi-1160 |
| 08:43.08 | hello1 | i installed it b4 |
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| 08:43.27 | hello1 | but now i missing gpgme -devel |
| 08:43.37 | hello1 | it is changed or ?else |
| 08:44.02 | jelly-home | hello1: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 libgtk2.0-dev libglib2.0-dev libgpgme11-dev |tail -4 |
| 08:44.39 | jelly-home | hello1: also, pastebin the complete autogen.sh and configure output |
| 08:44.49 | hello1 | okay |
| 08:44.55 | ma3x | does anybody know what' the trick in iceweasel or firefox to fix the layout (it stretches on some sites and it looks bad). ive noticed this on iceweasel above 3.5, firefox too, however it doesn't seem to be the problem with old iceweasel - the one currently in lenny |
| 08:45.37 | batshwa | hello. i'd like to install debian (using netinst) next to win xp. my question: when i install grub (or another boot loader), does it configure itself, so that i'll be able to choose which os to boot or will i have to configure it myself? |
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| 08:46.23 | gps23 | batshwa: it should auto detect WinXP, and give you choice at boot |
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| 08:47.32 | batshwa | gps23: all right. thanks! (just in case it does not: is it hard (for a novice) to configure grub so as to recognize my win xp?) |
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| 08:47.52 | cast_ | nah, pretty easy |
| 08:48.56 | batshwa | cast_: ok. then i'll insert the netinst cd now :) |
| 08:49.09 | batshwa | cya soon |
| 08:49.20 | gps23 | batshwa: not at all, need 2/3 lines to add in case it didn't did so automatically. google for it and you will find lot of results on same |
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| 08:49.50 | batshwa | gps23: all right. thanks a lot! |
| 08:50.01 | gps23 | batshwa: yw |
| 08:50.02 | cast_ | ponders doing an ol netinst |
| 08:50.17 | hello1 | http://pastebin.com/puaJ4RkE |
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| 08:50.19 | hello1 | here it is |
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| 08:50.33 | hello1 | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/puaJ4RkE |
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| 08:53.24 | hello1 | hello ?helly home |
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| 08:55.17 | jelly-home | hello1: you'll have to inspect config.log to see exactly in what way the gpgme check failed. |
| 08:55.32 | jelly-home | hello1: then you'll have to fix or work around that. |
| 08:55.39 | hello1 | um |
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| 08:56.09 | jelly-home | since it's the last check, it'll be near the bottom of config.log |
| 08:56.45 | hello1 | where log for config stored ?var/log |
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| 08:56.56 | jez9999 | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 08:57.04 | jelly-home | hello1: current directory |
| 08:57.10 | hello1 | okay |
| 08:57.21 | jez9999 | ^ this is interesting, but if I have unstable in my sources, won't a full-upgrade try and get a load of unstable stuff? |
| 08:57.48 | jelly-home | !tell jez9999 about pinning |
| 08:57.53 | ahaller | hi. why do some libraries (.so files) have a ".0" or ".1" (or another number) attached to their filename? i.e. "libcups.so.2" |
| 08:58.13 | jelly-home | !tell ahaller about soname |
| 08:58.58 | hello1 | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/nYuKjan7 |
| 08:59.17 | ahaller | crazy cool! thanks jelly-home |
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| 09:01.30 | hello1 | found anything that results in error ? |
| 09:02.34 | jelly-home | hello1: this ./configure script does its library tests by trying to build a small test program using the functionality. Starting from the bottom of the log as instructed, on lines 1880-2014 you'll find some relevant stuff. As a prequisite you'll probably need some experience with C source build failures. |
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| 09:03.19 | jelly-home | hello1: esp. interesting are lines 1881-1884: /usr/include/gpgme.h:80:2: error: #error GPGME was compiled with _FILE_OFFSET_BITS = 64, please see the section "Largefile support (LFS)" in the GPGME manual. |
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| 09:03.59 | hello1 | um |
| 09:05.02 | hello1 | hw to correct that ? |
| 09:05.16 | moldovean | anyways seems pidgin support webcom , i 'm right ? |
| 09:05.42 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.44 | hello1 | pidgin ?i donot know how, |
| 09:05.47 | jelly-home | it's definitely worth a test |
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| 09:06.52 | hello1 | voice video setting s ? |
| 09:07.00 | hello1 | need a plugin |
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| 09:07.17 | henrikbjorn | can anybody help me lock down a specific port so only a specific ip can access it ? :) |
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| 09:09.11 | jez9999 | "The final conclusion has to be that not only the official documentation of apt, in regard to pinning, sucks— but the whole design and algorithm that determines the candidate version is borked. It is counter-intuitive, ambiguous and not as flexible as it could be." |
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| 09:09.19 | jez9999 | well that was worthwhile reading :-) |
| 09:10.18 | jez9999 | still didnt answer my original question about pinning though |
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| 09:13.25 | js_laptop | I booted my laptop up from hibernation this morning, and when I try to ls my home directory, or one specific directory underneath it which was mounted over sshfs, ls blocks |
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| 09:13.55 | js_laptop | However, if I ls my home directory and pipe the output to a file it works perfectly |
| 09:14.10 | js_laptop | But if I ls the one specific directory, it still blocks |
| 09:14.41 | js_laptop | Ah, I know why it is. When it is outputting to a terminal it needs to stat the directory to get the colour and it blocks on that |
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| 09:15.12 | fxiny | js_laptop: ssh ? ls --color |
| 09:15.32 | js_laptop | fxiny: i has ~/usaco mounted over sshfs |
| 09:15.32 | cahoot | henrikbjorn: like descirbed here? http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Network/IPTables#head-8450ee609cbecd71b6fef3bd3d1ac6228991e073 |
| 09:15.45 | js_laptop | and yes, it is because when outputting to a terminal it needs to stat it to get the colour |
| 09:15.51 | js_laptop | if i run "strace ls usaco" it blocks on stat |
| 09:15.53 | henrikbjorn | yeah except i have no clue about what it says :p |
| 09:15.57 | henrikbjorn | im pretty new to this |
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| 09:16.16 | cahoot | makes it rather hard then |
| 09:16.21 | henrikbjorn | yup ;) |
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| 09:16.45 | cahoot | what problem is it you want to solve? |
| 09:16.48 | nobotz | trying to make 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82578DM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05) work |
| 09:16.51 | nobotz | on lenny |
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| 09:17.02 | nobotz | 5.0.5 |
| 09:17.18 | nobotz | can anyone help |
| 09:17.39 | js_laptop | fxiny: i've fixed it now. i killed sshfs and nothing happened, but a -9 unblocked all my pending ls's |
| 09:17.47 | henrikbjorn | cahoot: i have a mongo instance running and i only want one ip to be able to connect to it |
| 09:17.56 | henrikbjorn | so i limit port 27017 to a specific ip |
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| 09:20.45 | themill | ,pciid 8086:10ef |
| 09:20.47 | judd | [8086:10ef] is '82578DM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10ef |
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| 09:21.00 | themill | nobotz: looks like you need a newer kernel for that (such as the one from backports.org; /msg dpkg bpo) |
| 09:22.03 | nobotz | themill: does backports have a xen kernel too |
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| 09:26.12 | themill | ,versions linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 |
| 09:26.14 | judd | linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-15~bpo50+1 |
| 09:26.16 | themill | seems so |
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| 09:27.51 | nobotz | themill: x86_64 |
| 09:28.54 | nobotz | looks like I am missing something more basic |
| 09:28.58 | nobotz | the eth1 |
| 09:29.02 | nobotz | still doesn't show up |
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| 09:37.55 | jelly-home | hello1: oh, you're gone |
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| 09:38.10 | liable | heh, what |
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| 09:39.17 | jelly-home | now he won't learn about the oneliner configure.ac fix for his build |
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| 09:44.00 | brokendatapoint | hi, i have a Aspire One netbook that runs on the Intel Atom CPU, is this still considered i386 for install architecture? |
| 09:45.09 | xdr | brokendatapoint: i686 |
| 09:45.21 | brokendatapoint | k thanks |
| 09:46.23 | moldovean | isn't it an eeepc? |
| 09:46.48 | jez9999 | ^ apt pinning is interesting, but if I have unstable in my sources, won't a full-upgrade try and get a load of unstable stuff? |
| 09:47.18 | brammator | how do I get the list of installed packages with full names? dpkg -l cuts off long names |
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| 09:49.21 | streuner | via COLUMNS |
| 09:50.13 | streuner | dpkg, listvals columns |
| 09:50.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'columns' by value (11): mysql utf8 ;; sql ;; list all packages ;; purge them all ;; reinstall everything ;; zsh prompt ;; reinstall ;; atmel usb devices ;; apl ;; ars technica ;; #debian honorable mention. |
| 09:50.31 | streuner | brammator: /msg dpkg list all packages |
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| 09:51.00 | brammator | ùðþ åðôòëûþ |
| 09:51.09 | brammator | oh. thanks.* |
| 09:51.21 | streuner | np |
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| 09:55.16 | jelly-home | jez9999: didn't you get an explanation of that from dpkg an hour before? |
| 09:55.23 | jez9999 | no |
| 09:55.30 | jelly-home | jez9999: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 09:55.30 | jez9999 | just linked to some foibles about apt pinning |
| 09:55.38 | jelly-home | exactly, READ THEM |
| 09:55.45 | jez9999 | i did |
| 09:55.50 | jez9999 | it didnt answer my question |
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| 09:58.09 | jelly-home | jez9999: Oh. Hm. Did you read apt_preferences(5) man page? Different priorities have different automatic behaviour. |
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| 09:58.58 | jelly-home | jez9999: esp. the paragraph "How APT Interprets Priorities" |
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| 09:59.45 | cheche | pallgone: it took me a while to get back, I have my system running squeezy :-) |
| 09:59.51 | jelly-home | jez9999: if nothing else, you can experiment with the numbers and use --dry-run option to apt/aptitude |
| 10:00.11 | jelly-home | cheche: squeeze? |
| 10:00.30 | cheche | jelly-home: yes.. sorry |
| 10:00.38 | alcy | any clonezilla/drbl users around ? drbl works fine but am getting this error when drbl is started in clonezilla mode "error: 'single' exited outside the expected code flow |
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| 10:00.42 | jez9999 | ok |
| 10:01.38 | Bladerunner05 | hello today on a etch box I run apt-get update obtaining this error: Err http://ftp.it.debian.org etch/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 213.92.8.5 80] |
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| 10:01.53 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 10:02.14 | pallgone | cheche: allright, now you can squeeze it out :) |
| 10:02.58 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: I have to write it here ? |
| 10:03.18 | cheche | pallgone: I ihad problems with /dev/md1 and gdm not installed after the upgrade |
| 10:04.37 | pallgone | cheche: yes, it seems to me that the upgrade path is not very easy, I gave up and just installed squeeze |
| 10:06.26 | cheche | well, I know that my setup is not a common one, so I was expecting some trouble. |
| 10:07.26 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: write it in your irc client and expect a private message from dpkg bot |
| 10:08.22 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home it sayd: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:08.22 | cheche | now, I have a trouble that I am not able to fix. black lines on some pages using iceweasel |
| 10:09.19 | cheche | Is there a similar program like pastebin for images? |
| 10:09.46 | cahoot | picpaste or such |
| 10:10.12 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 10:10.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:10.49 | cheche | http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo.png |
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| 10:15.56 | jelly-home | !tell Bladerunner05 about etch sources.list |
| 10:17.28 | jelly-home | cheche: if you scroll down and back do they disappear |
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| 10:19.12 | jelly-home | cheche: this sort of font rendering bug happens more often if you have unusual font sizes (eg. you used zoom in your app) |
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| 10:21.18 | dju` | hello! is it possible to tell aptitude to not reconfigure partially installed packages ? thanks |
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| 10:23.02 | jez9999 | im a bit confused about 'apt-get upgrade'. it says that it installs the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system |
| 10:23.27 | jez9999 | does that mean that if i specify stable and unstable in my sources, it will install all the (newer) unstable stuff? what about if stable has a higher pin-priority, does that change things? |
| 10:23.28 | jelly-home | dju`: no, make them install properly, or remove them completely |
| 10:24.06 | jelly-home | jez9999: that definitely changes things, pinning turns the default priorities on their head. |
| 10:24.25 | jelly-home | jez9999: what is your actual goal here? |
| 10:24.30 | jez9999 | it's not made clear in man apt-get |
| 10:24.47 | jez9999 | to have a system that is mainly squeeze, but a few packages can be manually installed from unstable |
| 10:24.55 | fxiny | jez9999: you should use aptitude . apt-get -s upgrade shows where the packages are coming from |
| 10:25.21 | jelly-home | jez9999: "squeeze" or "testing"? |
| 10:25.25 | fxiny | read that and keep on experimenting ... |
| 10:25.27 | dju` | jelly-home: I have upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and now I'm stuck on mdadm, udev, lvm2, etc. partially installed (insserv errors). I'm a bit afraid to remove these vital packages |
| 10:25.31 | jez9999 | squeeze |
| 10:25.50 | jelly-home | jez9999: squeeze is now frozen. Are you sure you want to keep mixing it with unstable? |
| 10:25.54 | jez9999 | yeah |
| 10:26.07 | jelly-home | jez9999: I'd strongly suggest doing backports instead |
| 10:26.18 | jez9999 | but they're not always available |
| 10:26.30 | jelly-home | jez9999: make them yourself, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 10:26.55 | jelly-home | dju`: get rid of insserv seems the easiest thing to do |
| 10:28.06 | jelly-home | dju`: you might have to use dpkg to do some of the package shuffling to avoid aptitude's retrying of all the pending configuration |
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| 10:28.57 | jez9999 | hum |
| 10:29.02 | jelly-home | jez9999: but yeah, pinning is useful in this case. pin unstable to a prio lower than 500, and squeeze to 990 |
| 10:29.40 | jez9999 | so that basically causes apt-get update never to install a newer version of an unstable package over squeeze's version |
| 10:29.45 | jelly-home | !tell jez9999 about default-release |
| 10:30.16 | jelly-home | jez9999: default-release is pretty much the same thing as setting a 990 priority |
| 10:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's how things work anyway, without any pinning, though... "default-release" |
| 10:30.42 | jelly-home | jez9999: confirm with apt-cache policy |
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| 10:32.51 | jelly-home | jez9999: I'm tracking testing (not squeeze), and I have release unstable pinned to 300, testing pinned to 700, and all sorts of little package-specific tuneups |
| 10:33.25 | dju` | jelly-home: ok I successfully uninstalled insserv, now how can I reinstall packages without installing insserv again ? |
| 10:34.10 | jez9999 | jelly-home: so when you do an upgrade, it won't replace testing packages with unstable packages? |
| 10:34.19 | jelly-home | dju`: just try dpkg --configure --pending, now, see if they manage to finish their installation properly now |
| 10:34.31 | jez9999 | apt-get manpage should probably be updated to clarify that, because right now it just talks about the 'latest version' |
| 10:35.03 | dju` | jelly-home: they don't |
| 10:35.21 | dju` | Can't exec "insserv" |
| 10:35.24 | dju` | :) |
| 10:35.28 | jelly-home | jez9999: why? It's an overriding method and there's a man page for preferences. |
| 10:36.03 | jelly-home | dju`: pastebin the output of your insserv removal (together with the command line) and of dpkg --configure --pending |
| 10:36.30 | dju` | mmm it was in french |
| 10:36.39 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 10:36.39 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
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| 10:37.05 | dju` | yeah but I can't uninstall insserv again |
| 10:37.16 | jelly-home | dju`: paste that one as-is |
| 10:37.23 | dju` | ok |
| 10:37.26 | jelly-home | can't be helped now |
| 10:38.08 | jez9999 | jelly-home: that manpage talks about preferences overriding which versions will be selected for 'installation', but not upgrade |
| 10:38.57 | dju` | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/5aL79sbE |
| 10:39.04 | jelly-home | jez9999: that's just some terminology confusion |
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| 10:39.47 | jelly-home | dju`: Ah. Next time, DON'T use --force-* unless explicitely told to. |
| 10:40.44 | jelly-home | dju`: now go and install it back. LANG=C dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/insserv_<PRESS TAB HERE> |
| 10:41.25 | jelly-home | archives, not archive. |
| 10:42.27 | dju` | jelly-home: done |
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| 10:43.12 | jelly-home | dju`: can we get that LANG=C dpkg --configure -a, again |
| 10:43.24 | AmberJ | I downloded the deb file for a program and used "dpkg -i pkg.deb" to install the package contents....Now how do I remove/uninstall that program? |
| 10:44.24 | jelly-home | jez9999: pick a package. Do an apt-cache policy packagename to see what versions apt sees, and what version it selects as a Candidate for installation/upgrade. |
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| 10:44.32 | cahoot | tried aptitude remove? |
| 10:44.32 | dju` | jelly-home: sure, http://pastebin.com/w9qxPPXr |
| 10:44.46 | alcy | AmberJ: dpkg --purge or dpkg --remove <packagename> |
| 10:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, what could make chroot fail with "/bin/sh/ not found" from the rescue disk - I can see /bin/sh (softlink to /bin/bash) on the target dir |
| 10:45.34 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: 32bit livecd and 64bit chroot? |
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| 10:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | good idea, but no... both 32bit |
| 10:47.02 | AmberJ | Thanks alcy :) |
| 10:47.05 | jelly-home | what if you explicitely chroot /mnt/point /bin/bash |
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| 10:48.54 | jelly-home | dju`: does just dpkg --configure udev work? (keep oding LANG=C) |
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| 10:50.09 | dju` | jelly-home: no |
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| 10:52.21 | jelly-home | hm. said sysv-rc/README.Debian: Migrating to the dependency-based system of boot sequencing (using LSB headers) is non-reversible |
| 10:53.17 | jelly-home | dju`: this means you'll have to get help from someone that actually knows how to deal with insserv, instead of trying to remove it |
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| 10:54.06 | dju` | jelly-home: do you know where to find such a person ? |
| 10:55.00 | jelly-home | dju`: well. Its maintainers might be good enough, you could file a bug report. |
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| 10:55.16 | dju` | jelly-home: ok. thank you ! |
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| 10:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, same thing... "no such file or directory" |
| 10:56.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | tried that already (net was gone for a moment, there) |
| 10:56.23 | jelly-home | any other shell installed in there? |
| 10:56.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | same with /bin/ls |
| 10:56.48 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: uname -r? |
| 10:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird... must be something _really_ obvious |
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| 10:57.00 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: do you have those files in the chroot? |
| 10:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 10:57.18 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: bad things happen when you hit a severe libc incompatibility |
| 10:57.26 | thewanderer1 | like chrooting into a 5-year-old system |
| 10:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... lenny and kmuto-lenny |
| 10:57.53 | thewanderer1 | check the binaries with 'file' command |
| 10:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, 2.6.32-trunk-486 (kmuto) ... |
| 10:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, there is no "file" it's the kmuto disk in rescue mode... |
| 10:58.36 | jelly-home | eh, use a better livecd! |
| 10:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 10:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | got a point there |
| 10:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mainly used that because it already has usb images and a similar kernel version (I thought the same) |
| 10:59.34 | dju` | jelly-home: I think I just solved the problem. Actually I had /etc/init.d/lvm2 and /etc/init.d/lvm2.dpkg-new files. I moved lvm2.dpkg-new to lvm2 and I succeed reconfiguring the pending packages |
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| 11:01.37 | jelly-home | dju`: that's interesting. I suggest filing a bug on lvm2 so the issue gets investigated and fixed for other people |
| 11:01.49 | dju` | ok |
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| 11:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, although, I thought that was what the rescue mode of those disks is _for_! |
| 11:03.00 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: pfft, grml.org is a bit more useful |
| 11:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 11:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought more along knoppix |
| 11:03.40 | jelly-home | *thumbs down* |
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| 11:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | "do not liek"? |
| 11:05.08 | orlonth | Hi, I've a problem regarding my soundcard: when my pc boots I've no sound, if I run "alsaconf ; alsamixer and alsactl store" the sound works. But next boot I'm back to zero.... (the module is: snd-hda-intel (which I added to /etc/modules)) |
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| 11:07.07 | fxiny | orlonth: try : dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 11:08.17 | nobotz | loading domain 0 elf_init: not an elf binary lenny backport |
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| 11:08.35 | orlonth | fxiny, that didn't do it :( |
| 11:08.48 | nobotz | error using xen-linux-system-2.6.32-bpo.5-x86_64 |
| 11:09.15 | orlonth | but this shows it's running: |
| 11:09.16 | orlonth | cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/status |
| 11:09.16 | orlonth | state: RUNNING |
| 11:09.17 | orlonth | trigger_time: 19.824028749 |
| 11:09.17 | orlonth | tstamp : 2446.164896770 |
| 11:09.17 | orlonth | delay : -106990984 |
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| 11:11.24 | jelly-home | orlonth: after reboot, does alsamixer show your card, perhaps with volume knobs all at minimum? |
| 11:11.53 | jelly-home | orlonth: without doing alsaconf that is |
| 11:12.10 | orlonth | yes; realtek ALC885, volumes up, all unmuted |
| 11:13.08 | jelly-home | volume up and it still produces no sound? |
| 11:13.33 | orlonth | idd, I can't play any file with audacious or mpd |
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| 11:13.54 | jelly-home | orlonth: what about something simpler |
| 11:13.58 | jelly-home | !speaker-test |
| 11:13.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
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| 11:15.33 | orlonth | this returns: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:963:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to create IPC semaphore |
| 11:15.34 | orlonth | Playback open error: -13,Permission denied |
| 11:16.21 | jelly-home | orlonth: as root, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 11:16.45 | jelly-home | orlonth: pastebin the output. Which debian release are you using? |
| 11:17.04 | cahoot | not member of audio? |
| 11:17.07 | orlonth | pastebin? I'm using lenny |
| 11:17.12 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 11:17.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:17.41 | orlonth | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.42 | orlonth | /dev/snd/controlC0: user 3329 F.... xfce-mcs-manage |
| 11:17.48 | orlonth | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: speech-dispatcher 2977 F...m sd_espeak |
| 11:17.48 | orlonth | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.53 | orlonth | /dev/snd/timer: speech-dispatcher 2977 f.... sd_espeak |
| 11:17.53 | orlonth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.03 | orlonth | that's it |
| 11:18.13 | jelly-home | orlonth: so the speech-dispatcher thingy is hogging the device |
| 11:18.33 | jelly-home | (that pcm* device is what's most interesting) |
| 11:18.52 | orlonth | hmm never heard of that process |
| 11:19.36 | jelly-home | ,versions speech-dispatcher |
| 11:19.38 | judd | speech-dispatcher -- etch: 0.6.1-2; lenny: 0.6.7~rc1-1; sid: 0.7-5; squeeze: 0.7-5 |
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| 11:19.50 | jelly-home | orlonth: purge that package with prejudice. |
| 11:20.12 | orlonth | Killed that process and my sound works :) |
| 11:20.32 | orlonth | but what purpose does the package serve? |
| 11:20.52 | jelly-home | accessibility features for blind people I guess, reading text off the screen |
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| 11:21.34 | orlonth | I see, how come it got enabled all of a sudden? |
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| 11:22.01 | jelly-home | you installed something that pulled it in as a Recommended feature |
| 11:22.36 | jelly-home | or you played with accessibility features in some control panel |
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| 11:23.54 | orlonth | Thanks for all the help jelly :) |
| 11:24.29 | orlonth | How did you come to think of the "fuser" command? |
| 11:24.46 | jelly-home | !tell orlonth about list alsa users |
| 11:25.23 | jelly-home | processes hogging pcm devices are a common issue, unfortunately |
| 11:25.32 | jelly-home | (looking at you, adobe) |
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| 11:29.41 | orlonth | Jelly, say I were blind, how would I make the speech-dispatcher work alongside audacious? By using a mixer? |
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| 11:35.04 | thewanderer1 | hi, I've got a problem - my NFS share (laptop is the client) is not mounting on boot despite being in fstab, but when I call `mount -a`, it mounts without any problems |
| 11:35.53 | thewanderer1 | I'd rather have it mount after the network goes up - it used to work, but I did some upgrades and network topology changes and doesn't seem to be working anymore |
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| 11:53.34 | alcy | thewanderer1: did your changes/upgrades had anything to do with udev ? |
| 11:53.55 | thewanderer1 | alcy: I doubt that |
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| 11:55.14 | alcy | thewanderer1: well I had a similar problem today. /dev/pts was in fstab. but I had to do mount -a everytime on reboot. well quite simply, I didn't have udev installed. installing it fixed the issue ( xen vm, normal stuff) |
| 11:55.25 | thewanderer1 | er... I'm on a laptop ;P |
| 11:55.52 | thewanderer1 | udev is most certainly in its place |
| 11:56.16 | Arrowmaster | is your wireless being done completely with network-manager? |
| 11:56.21 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 11:56.31 | Arrowmaster | afaik that starts up late in the boot process |
| 11:56.37 | alcy | thewanderer1: well, maybe it needs to be updated or something. udev rules I mean/guess |
| 11:56.48 | thewanderer1 | I have a global connection that starts on boot |
| 11:56.54 | thewanderer1 | and it used to work :P |
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| 11:57.14 | thewanderer1 | localhost if-up.d/mountnfs[wlan0]: if-up.d/mountnfs[wlan0]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting |
| 11:57.16 | thewanderer1 | ah-ha! |
| 11:57.47 | thewanderer1 | too bad there aren't any cleaning mechanisms in place :P |
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| 11:59.15 | thewanderer1 | reboots to check if it's working now |
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| 12:01.05 | thewanderer1 | cool, it was indeed the stale lockfile that doesn't get removed automatically |
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| 12:26.10 | lxsys | Hello, i'm having a few issues compiling network manager, it says reguesting glib verion 2.0 >= 2.18 but my version is 2.16.6. if anybody could help me i would really appreciate it. |
| 12:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions network-manager |
| 12:26.37 | judd | network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6+etch1; etch-security: 0.6.4-6+etch1; lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-1; sid: 0.8.1-2 |
| 12:27.05 | abrotman | lxsys: why would you want to compile it? |
| 12:27.32 | lxsys | abrotman: because the one in the repo was too old for my liking. |
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| 12:28.52 | lxsys | oh hang on, is it possible to install a backported network-manager? |
| 12:29.42 | streuner | !ssb |
| 12:29.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 12:29.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1 in backports (/msg dpkg bpo) if you want the one from squeeze/sid, you have to backport it yourself |
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| 12:29.54 | abrotman | compiling n-m is likely to force you to compile all sorts of nasty stuff that you don't want |
| 12:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | see above |
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| 12:30.45 | streuner | lxsys: does NM work for you? |
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| 12:31.38 | lxsys | streuner: it always worked for me on ubuntu, but i've never used it under debian because I wanted a version that supported mobile broadband |
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| 12:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you should try to go with the version from bpo before you try compiling |
| 12:32.44 | streuner | lxsys: i use just interfaces for mobile broadband |
| 12:32.55 | streuner | via wvdial |
| 12:33.22 | streuner | s/interfaces/wvdial/ |
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| 12:35.04 | lxsys | streuner: if nm isn't working for me, i run a pppd command that I found on google that works for me pretty much all the time |
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| 12:40.01 | thewanderer1 | n-m from sid supports mobile broadband |
| 12:40.13 | thewanderer1 | too bad my mobile phone can't do UDP => no DNS :P |
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| 12:40.50 | thewanderer1 | by the way, the version in testing supports mobile, too. |
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| 12:41.19 | sh0t | hi all. Can anyone help me please? When I try to set ad-hoc mode i get this error: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. |
| 12:41.36 | thewanderer1 | sh0t: that means your WiFi does not support Ad-hoc :P |
| 12:41.44 | metalfoo | thewanderer1: That's obviously not true. |
| 12:42.02 | thewanderer1 | okay, either that, or drivers that don't support it |
| 12:42.10 | sh0t | ;) i just want to know if is the card or just the driver |
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| 12:42.46 | sh0t | ;) i just want to know if is the wifi or just the driver |
| 12:42.50 | streuner | is there any doc about? |
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| 12:42.56 | thewanderer1 | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers |
| 12:43.07 | thewanderer1 | look under IBSS column - this is so-called ad-hoc |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | sh0t: i'd probably ask #wireless, but you'll have to know your device and driver |
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| 12:43.31 | sh0t | ok... |
| 12:45.14 | CptPicard | hi, is the lenny->squeeze upgrade issue with udev still around? It was, over six months ago... |
| 12:45.47 | metalfoo | What kind of issue are you refering to? |
| 12:45.50 | themill | CptPicard: yes |
| 12:45.52 | thewanderer1 | dpkg says yes |
| 12:45.52 | dpkg | thewanderer1: bugger all, i dunno |
| 12:46.07 | thewanderer1 | ^ he knows but doesn't want to tell :P |
| 12:46.19 | icebrain | !squeeze udev |
| 12:46.19 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 12:46.22 | sh0t | OK, rtl8180 doesn't support ad-hoc mode :( |
| 12:46.24 | CptPicard | the udev-kernel conflict :) |
| 12:46.47 | CptPicard | yeah... just wanted to remind myself :p |
| 12:47.23 | metalfoo | Ah, had this last week too. It's however not an issue by definition, you just have to update the kernel as apt suggests you, when doing the dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:49.34 | CptPicard | yeah I know, but it still wasn't a totally smooth "aptitude full-upgrade"... |
| 12:49.43 | CptPicard | it was a bit creepy to have to boot into a half-finished upgrade |
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| 12:52.48 | metalfoo | Why? You can force the dist-upgrade with an incompatible version of udev for your `uname -r` (lenny) kernel |
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| 12:53.19 | metalfoo | Afterwards just reboot into your new system with new kernel + udev. |
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| 12:57.01 | sh0t | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x, here i'm reading that there is another version (experimental) of rtl driver: rtl8187se... |
| 12:57.09 | CptPicard | well, one needs to actually know in advance that it will work. the risk of having an unbootable system otherwise seems to great. At least that's my feeling of it :) |
| 12:57.40 | sh0t | modprobe rtl8187se doesn't give me an error |
| 12:57.56 | metalfoo | I'd support that. However you will have this problem when one component fails only fails too. |
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| 12:58.26 | metalfoo | -fails |
| 12:58.54 | sh0t | i unloaded the rtl8180 and loaded the rtl8187se |
| 12:59.20 | sh0t | but i still cannot set ad-hoc mode. |
| 13:00.45 | sh0t | ahhh it's for usb card.. |
| 13:00.47 | hexoroid | my provider changed data center apache is running but there is nothing on the page what should be the first thing i need to check to get it working ? |
| 13:00.50 | sh0t | uff. |
| 13:01.15 | metalfoo | DocumentRoot |
| 13:01.21 | metalfoo | And Error.log |
| 13:01.29 | metalfoo | No, the other way around: error.log first. |
| 13:02.33 | abrotman | might not be an error |
| 13:02.56 | hexoroid | like when i evne go to the ip straight i dont see nothing wierd |
| 13:03.03 | lxsys | php syntax error?? that makes white pages for me. |
| 13:03.07 | hexoroid | so i thought maybe i need to preset the ip somewhere |
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| 13:03.52 | metalfoo | Stop guessing, read error logs. |
| 13:04.21 | hexoroid | where are they located at i know where domain log is |
| 13:04.59 | metalfoo | As you are here in #debian: /var/log/apache2/error.log |
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| 13:05.49 | metalfoo | You VHost might define it's own though. |
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| 13:05.51 | metalfoo | +r |
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| 13:07.11 | hexoroid | http://pastebin.com/F1aai3cq i had that error before too and it worked fine |
| 13:07.18 | hexoroid | other then that i dont see nothing wrong |
| 13:07.39 | metalfoo | You made an error in your configuration, it's non fatal though. |
| 13:08.08 | metalfoo | Or to be precise: It could work, it could not. That's what even apache tells you. |
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| 13:08.38 | hexoroid | hmm |
| 13:08.52 | gnarface | can we talk about why there is no 32-bit compat libraries for openal on amd64? |
| 13:08.55 | metalfoo | Provide me a apache2ctl -S |
| 13:09.47 | hexoroid | http://pastebin.com/q2Xjb5WB |
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| 13:11.18 | metalfoo | Change the port 80 in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default to * and the problem should disappear. |
| 13:11.41 | metalfoo | In <VirtualHost *:80> or whatever stands there |
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| 13:11.57 | torpedotux | hi folks |
| 13:12.08 | hexoroid | metalfoo currently its <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 13:12.23 | metalfoo | Yes. Set it to * (as you specified in NameVirtualHost) |
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| 13:12.37 | hexoroid | so <VirtualHost *:*> |
| 13:12.45 | hexoroid | or just <VirtualHost *> |
| 13:12.46 | metalfoo | <VirtualHost *> |
| 13:12.52 | hexoroid | ok thanks let me try |
| 13:13.44 | hexoroid | still nothing :( |
| 13:13.59 | metalfoo | The error disappeared? |
| 13:14.11 | torpedotux | i've got a system that doesn't have any usbbooting capab, no cd (only got hdd). i also have a spare disk that has about 50G spare (so i install debian on it). where's some documentation i can follow? or is it easier than this? :) thanks |
| 13:14.30 | hexoroid | Metatron i only get this error now Reloading web server config: [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 13:15.12 | hexoroid | i mean metalfoo* |
| 13:15.14 | metalfoo | That should be fine. Provide me again apache2ctl -S |
| 13:15.28 | torpedotux | is there some manual procedure i can follow? or is there some automagic stuff i can use? |
| 13:15.33 | thewanderer1 | torpedotux: you just launch the installer, pick the right disk and it's done |
| 13:15.40 | hexoroid | http://pastebin.com/RFEy72WA |
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| 13:15.56 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: there's no CD on it |
| 13:16.27 | thewanderer1 | torpedotux: what OS do you have on the system? can't you use another machine for installation and then move the disk? |
| 13:16.28 | metalfoo | make cd /etc/apache2; grep -rH "NameVirtualHost" * |
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| 13:17.00 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: hmm good point. i guess i could do that :) |
| 13:17.09 | hexoroid | metalfoo to type all of that in ? ok second |
| 13:17.21 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: i have about couple of laptops here whose bios support usbboot |
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| 13:17.30 | thewanderer1 | torpedotux: unless you are keen on installing the system from that machine itself - but to install Debian, you need Debian :) |
| 13:17.32 | metalfoo | You can paste it too :o) |
| 13:17.58 | metalfoo | (You probably shouldn't execute commands you don't know though. Just as a side node) |
| 13:18.13 | hexoroid | metalfoo http://pastebin.com/3JjgC3bY |
| 13:18.25 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: i tried to do some manual drudgery and installed mbr on /dev/sdc, but then it gave me "Press any key to reboot" :( |
| 13:18.52 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: (/dev/sdc being the disk that has 50G free partition) |
| 13:19.23 | thewanderer1 | the easiest is performing the installation from another PC |
| 13:19.26 | metalfoo | You can remove the NameVirtualHost *:80 statement in ports.conf, afterwards the warning will disappear. Won't solve your problem, but let's look afterwards then. |
| 13:19.26 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: i'd guess, i probably need grub on it too |
| 13:19.32 | thewanderer1 | yes, you do :P |
| 13:19.38 | hexoroid | ok second |
| 13:19.39 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: how to do that? :P |
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| 13:19.58 | thewanderer1 | if you remove all disks from a PC then put the aforementioned disk inside and launch Debian installer, it should be painless |
| 13:19.59 | infinity0 | can someone suggest a good backup tool? |
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| 13:20.07 | metalfoo | initself: define backup |
| 13:20.10 | thewanderer1 | infinity0: faubackup |
| 13:20.11 | infinity0 | has outgrown custom rsync scripts |
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| 13:20.14 | metalfoo | infinity0 I mean |
| 13:20.26 | infinity0 | daily backups, like time machine |
| 13:20.32 | icebrain | rsnapshot? |
| 13:20.32 | thewanderer1 | faubackup |
| 13:20.33 | hexoroid | metalfoo should i remove listen80 too or just NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 13:20.37 | metalfoo | No! |
| 13:20.46 | hexoroid | ok so just NameVirtualHost *:80 |
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| 13:20.49 | metalfoo | The NameVirtualHost only |
| 13:20.53 | thewanderer1 | infinity0: you can also use ZFS - the filesystem used by TimeMachine :P |
| 13:20.57 | icebrain | !rsnapshot |
| 13:20.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rsnapshot is a filesystem snapshot utility, which creates incremental backups of local and remote filesystems, using hard links to save disk space. See also /usr/share/doc/rsnapshot/html/rsnapshot-howto.html and http://www.rsnapshot.org/faq.html, or ask me about <rdiff-backup>. |
| 13:21.02 | infinity0 | thewanderer1, icebrain: k thanks, i'll have a look at those |
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| 13:21.14 | metalfoo | Well, that requires BSD :p |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | thewanderer1: besides the tact tht it's in FUSE and doesn't really work the way it shuld ? |
| 13:21.16 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: ok i've got the cd1 iso which is in /dev/sdc1 (1G partition). i'll reboot it from usb on this laptop and see how it goes. brb |
| 13:21.17 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 13:21.23 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: thanks. |
| 13:21.33 | hexoroid | yes that error disapperaed now metalfoo |
| 13:21.37 | thewanderer1 | zfs works on Debian if you can manage it ;P |
| 13:21.38 | icebrain | metalfoo: there's always Debian GNU/kFreeBSD :) |
| 13:21.38 | hexoroid | but server still doesnt work |
| 13:21.52 | abrotman | hexoroid: try another browser |
| 13:21.56 | infinity0 | shall i just wait for btrfs |
| 13:22.01 | infinity0 | rather than screw around with zfs |
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| 13:22.11 | thewanderer1 | zfs/router on /srv/zfs/router type fuse (rw,allow_other,default_permissions) |
| 13:22.14 | thewanderer1 | as you wish :) |
| 13:22.14 | metalfoo | Yes, that's what I said. Let's look on your vhosts now. Which one causes the problem? |
| 13:22.30 | hexoroid | no luck i did :( this happend my provider changed datacenters and they assigned me with new ip |
| 13:22.36 | hexoroid | apache is running but page is blank |
| 13:23.01 | metalfoo | thewanderer1: works, sure. But you shouldn't consider this for high performance set-ups. I consider Solaris right now for the storage therefore. |
| 13:23.13 | thewanderer1 | yeah, true |
| 13:23.29 | thewanderer1 | there's an in-kernel implementation somewhere, though |
| 13:23.32 | metalfoo | hexoroid: As said, which vhost? You have two. |
| 13:24.00 | hexoroid | i am just trying regular apache to work where when you browse to ip it shows apache info |
| 13:24.01 | metalfoo | thewanderer1: Well, I think I can wait for btrfs. My company probably don't so they force me to Solaris right now ... |
| 13:24.04 | hexoroid | that even doesnt work |
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| 13:24.47 | metalfoo | hexoroid: Then open /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/www.podzemlje.net and look for ErrorLog. Is this defined there somewhere? |
| 13:24.55 | infinity0 | well, rsnapshot looks better maintained than faubackup, i'll try that first |
| 13:25.42 | hexoroid | metalfoo but why even when i go to the ip straight it doesnt dispaly apache info ? or info of index.html in /var/www |
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| 13:26.13 | abrotman | is it resolving to the right IP ? |
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| 13:26.26 | metalfoo | When pointing your browser to your IP you should reach the DocumentRoot defined in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 13:26.45 | icebrain | I want to upgrade a partition to ext4. Do I lose much by using tune2fs on a ext3 part vs. clean formatting? |
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| 13:27.06 | thewanderer1 | icebrain: just mount it as ext4 in /etc/fstab |
| 13:27.16 | hexoroid | yeah but it doesnt do that metalfoo it should read from /var/www |
| 13:27.18 | icebrain | thewanderer1: oh, ok |
| 13:27.23 | hexoroid | but it only displays blank page :( |
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| 13:27.46 | abrotman | !ext3->ext4 |
| 13:27.51 | metalfoo | Do you have rewrite rules, error handler or such? |
| 13:27.57 | hexoroid | nope |
| 13:28.07 | hexoroid | everything was fine until they switched datacenters |
| 13:28.13 | abrotman | !tell icebrain about ext3->ext4 |
| 13:28.41 | metalfoo | then you should think about that what abrotman said, dio you resolve the right IP? |
| 13:28.50 | hexoroid | yes |
| 13:28.52 | metalfoo | Sure? |
| 13:29.09 | hexoroid | like to set the dns correctly ? |
| 13:29.14 | ScottG | If I do what dpkg (the bot) suggests when I message it "aptitude clone" am I going to lose dependancy tracking or anything? |
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| 13:29.40 | metalfoo | nohar: Like "Did you pass your domain's TTL" |
| 13:30.38 | shylent | er, just how safe is the ext3->ext4 conversion? |
| 13:31.23 | metalfoo | dig A +short www.podzemlje.net |
| 13:31.23 | metalfoo | 174.36.44.74 <- Is this, what you expect to have as IP on ifconfig eth0? |
| 13:32.09 | thewanderer1 | sees a domain grabber page when he enters podzemlje.net |
| 13:32.23 | metalfoo | Me too. Don't know what hexoroid hosts there :o) |
| 13:32.40 | hexoroid | no |
| 13:32.47 | hexoroid | its supposted to be 85.* |
| 13:32.58 | thewanderer1 | someone took your domain :P |
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| 13:33.40 | linkdd | hi |
| 13:33.50 | hexoroid | no even when you go to that 85.* straight apache doesnt display nothing |
| 13:34.02 | abrotman | have you tried wget ? |
| 13:34.04 | ScottG | So it displays something? |
| 13:34.24 | metalfoo | Your default vhost is server open-ticket-to-change.urgentvps.com (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:1). |
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| 13:34.38 | metalfoo | So whatever you get, it's the DocRoot defined there. |
| 13:34.52 | hexoroid | metalfoo how can i change is ? |
| 13:35.13 | linkdd | I get a laptop, I installed it under debian, I installed the nvidia driver and try to start X, but it told me "screen not found", and with a free driver (like nv or vesa), X start correctly. |
| 13:35.28 | linkdd | even with nvidia-xconfig |
| 13:35.51 | linkdd | I search on the debian's wiki ( http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ), but they don't tell how to solve the problem |
| 13:35.51 | thewanderer1 | is your graphics adapter supported by nvidia driver? |
| 13:36.01 | metalfoo | hexoroid: As said, I don't know what you have set as DocumentRoot there. |
| 13:36.05 | metalfoo | Look for it |
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| 13:36.59 | linkdd | thewanderer1: before installing debian, this labtop was under windows (i get it from my mother ^^") and the driver was correctly supported |
| 13:37.35 | hexoroid | metalfoo how can i check that |
| 13:37.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah, so check that the graphics card is supported by NVIDIA driver (not legacy driver, for example) and then verify that your driver is installed correctly |
| 13:37.46 | thewanderer1 | especially that you have both glx and kernel module installed |
| 13:37.57 | hexoroid | i want to change it too 000-default |
| 13:37.59 | linkdd | i didn't installed the legacy driver |
| 13:38.01 | metalfoo | hexoroid: Open /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and look what DocumentRoot is set to |
| 13:38.19 | thewanderer1 | linkdd: then is your card on the compatibility list for NVIDIA driver? |
| 13:38.21 | linkdd | i installed nvidia-kernel-195.36.24 (virtual package which install nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms) |
| 13:38.31 | linkdd | thewanderer1: I hope, it's a nvidia card |
| 13:38.38 | thewanderer1 | check the list |
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| 13:39.00 | hexoroid | its set to DocumentRoot /var/www/ |
| 13:39.03 | metalfoo | linkdd: What thewanderer1 wants to tell you is not "is your card a nvidia card" but "is it supported by new drivers or do you need legacy driver" |
| 13:39.51 | linkdd | it seems to be in the list : nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)] (rev a1) :) |
| 13:40.03 | linkdd | must i try to install the legacy driver / |
| 13:40.04 | linkdd | ? |
| 13:40.18 | thewanderer1 | linkdd: is it the list for legacy driver or the new driver? |
| 13:40.27 | linkdd | http://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard#nVidia |
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| 13:40.41 | linkdd | the wiki is not so explicit :/ |
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| 13:40.54 | hexoroid | its reading right dont know what else could be the problem i have in /var/www/index.html that says "its working" but its still all blank |
| 13:41.34 | metalfoo | What do you open in your browser? |
| 13:41.44 | metalfoo | Your site? |
| 13:41.45 | abrotman | hexoroid: what's the actual IP? |
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| 13:42.08 | thewanderer1 | linkdd: ok, it's in the list. so it's your X.org that's misconfigured. |
| 13:42.25 | linkdd | configured with nvidia-xconfig |
| 13:42.32 | abrotman | why? leave your xorg.conf blank |
| 13:42.33 | thewanderer1 | nvidia-xconfig is rubbish |
| 13:42.52 | XThief | Hello, i want ntp to sync every 1 hour, the only way to do is with a cron job? or is there any other way? |
| 13:42.55 | linkdd | and I try to put the xorg.conf from my archlinux (were everything works perfectly) |
| 13:42.57 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I've never heard of empty xorg.conf defaulting to non-free drivers, but you might be right |
| 13:43.06 | hexoroid | metalfoo i open up just ip 85.*.*.*. |
| 13:43.06 | linkdd | but always "scree not found" |
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| 13:43.20 | abrotman | hexoroid: actual IP? |
| 13:43.24 | metalfoo | hexoroid: probably you should tell us, what's the IP. |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | it's a freaking webserver, we already have the hostname, just tell us the IP |
| 13:43.46 | metalfoo | XThief: you could run a stratum 2 ntpd |
| 13:44.00 | abrotman | XThief: use ntp, it will do it for you |
| 13:44.10 | hexoroid | metalfoo 85.195.100.110 |
| 13:44.14 | thewanderer1 | linkdd: generate the configuration by `X -configure` then tweak as needed |
| 13:44.20 | linkdd | ok |
| 13:44.39 | XThief | abrotman but where i tell him to sync every 1 hour? |
| 13:44.50 | metalfoo | This is no your server hexoroid |
| 13:44.53 | abrotman | XThief: you don't, it does it on its own |
| 13:44.58 | hexoroid | what do you mean |
| 13:44.59 | hexoroid | yes it is |
| 13:45.02 | themill | hexoroid: that's not a debian server |
| 13:45.10 | metalfoo | $ HEAD 85.195.100.110 | grep "Server" |
| 13:45.10 | metalfoo | Server: Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) |
| 13:45.11 | hexoroid | it is |
| 13:45.15 | XThief | abrotman but if i want it to sync every 2 mins for example? |
| 13:45.27 | hexoroid | hmm |
| 13:45.34 | hexoroid | how do i check version ? |
| 13:45.38 | thewanderer1 | hexoroid: you got screwed :D |
| 13:45.44 | abrotman | XThief: you don't want to do that |
| 13:45.58 | abrotman | hexoroid: why are you asking #debian about your ubuntu server? |
| 13:46.02 | hexoroid | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 13:46.14 | themill | XThief: ntp doesn't sync the time at a predefined interval, it just keeps the time right |
| 13:46.14 | rudi_s | Hi. Is there an easy way to convert a file from one format to another using openoffice on the console? |
| 13:46.30 | hexoroid | nvm |
| 13:46.31 | thewanderer1 | XThief: your CPU keeps the time as long as your computer is on |
| 13:46.31 | metalfoo | You provided us already you version. |
| 13:46.32 | metalfoo | Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny8 with Suhosin-Patch |
| 13:46.36 | hexoroid | there is my problem |
| 13:46.37 | abrotman | rudi_s: no, but it is possible |
| 13:46.40 | hexoroid | i was brwosing wrong ip |
| 13:46.48 | abrotman | doh! |
| 13:46.50 | hexoroid | haha sorry |
| 13:46.57 | themill | rudi_s: unoconv can do this, but it's not that well behaved |
| 13:47.14 | metalfoo | Almost exactly what both of us, abrotman and me stated half an hour ago ... |
| 13:47.14 | hexoroid | metalfoo at least i fixed other erros ;) |
| 13:47.23 | rudi_s | themill: Thanks, will try it. |
| 13:47.23 | metalfoo | You mean I fixed'em |
| 13:47.43 | abrotman | and they weren't really errors, they probably worked fine |
| 13:47.44 | hexoroid | yes |
| 13:47.47 | hexoroid | that |
| 13:47.53 | hexoroid | metalfoo thanks |
| 13:48.00 | metalfoo | no problem. |
| 13:48.08 | FabParma | How to insert "CTRL+R" to the context menu on Gnome? Not in the scripts sub-menu |
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| 13:48.43 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: you might want to look at this http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=11890 |
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| 13:49.13 | thewanderer1 | also see if you can figure out `oowriter -headless` - it looks relevant |
| 13:49.17 | XThief | themill but if i tell ntp to sync the time, it does sync |
| 13:49.42 | abrotman | XThief: but you don't have to do that, it will do it for you .. if you install ntp and just let it run, your time will be right |
| 13:49.47 | thewanderer1 | XThief: there is no point in syncing too often unless you are in a time warp bubble |
| 13:49.48 | abrotman | (assuming it's configured correctly) |
| 13:50.06 | metalfoo | XThief: As said, if you rely on high precise timers, install your own ntpd. |
| 13:50.20 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Thanks. |
| 13:50.42 | XThief | This bussiness has a time server, and want all the computers to sync with this server every 2 mins |
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| 13:50.58 | themill | XThief: that's not how ntp is designed to work |
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| 13:51.39 | metalfoo | Right. You may cascade on every computer again a ntpd which queries the ntpd uplink, but I really don't see the reason. |
| 13:52.10 | XThief | i was going to do with cron |
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| 13:54.35 | thewanderer1 | XThief: you can use ntpdate to query your server, but still, ntpd will query your time servers in an adaptive manner and the intervals are usually below 2 minutes |
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| 13:55.02 | metalfoo | To be honest, I don't see the reason for that. CPUs have fairly precise timers. |
| 13:55.23 | metalfoo | So everything below 1-2 times a day won't make sense |
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| 13:55.31 | metalfoo | above. |
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| 13:55.46 | themill | XThief: ntpd does two things -- it finds out what the correct time is and then it speeds up (or slows down) the machine's clock to keep it in time. It goes off and gets the right time as often as it needs to in order to successfully accomplish this task. It does not (normally) need to step the time as you are suggesting you would do. time-warps like that are very horrible |
| 13:55.55 | rudi_s | themill, thewanderer1: Thanks again, both unoconv and the link have helped me. |
| 13:56.15 | themill | rudi_s: no worries. Have fun |
| 13:56.24 | ScottG | If I do what dpkg (the bot) suggests when I message it "aptitude clone" am I going to lose dependancy tracking or anything? |
| 13:56.27 | rudi_s | ;-) |
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| 13:58.13 | sed` | is there something like a binary delta package server for the debian repositories? keeping my sid up to date on slow connections is sometimes painful |
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| 13:59.00 | thewanderer1 | sed`: if you mean `zypper patch`, then no :P |
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| 13:59.10 | themill | !debdelta |
| 13:59.29 | themill | glares at dpkg |
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| 14:00.23 | thewanderer1 | themill, he has no idea :P |
| 14:00.31 | themill | http://debdelta.debian.net/FAQ |
| 14:00.34 | gnarface | themill: you don't happen to know why there's no 32-bit compat dev libs for openal in amd64 do you? |
| 14:00.47 | themill | eh? nfc |
| 14:00.49 | sed` | thewanderer1: the "Dynamic Deltup Server" is amazingly efficient for source based distros. i'm not sure how well it would work with binary distros though. statistics: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~nlissne/deltupstats.php |
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| 14:01.31 | sed` | themill: cool! |
| 14:01.31 | gnarface | themill: if did an apt-get source for the normal openal library package for amd64 would that be something i'd be able to build using it? |
| 14:01.40 | XThief | themill then if the time is gets wrong its maybe cause ntp service is not active or something? |
| 14:02.23 | themill | dpkg, debdelta is a framework for updating machines using binary diffs of the .deb packages rather than downloading the full .deb. See http://debdelta.debian.net/FAQ |
| 14:02.24 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 14:02.28 | thewanderer1 | XThief: if the time gets wrong, it's a hardware error or a problem between keyboard and chair |
| 14:03.03 | themill | gnarface: compiling the 32 bit version requires significantly more work than that |
| 14:03.10 | gnarface | drat |
| 14:03.22 | thewanderer1 | (hardware error includes dead batteries) |
| 14:03.49 | XThief | thewanderer1 thats not the case |
| 14:03.53 | metalfoo | thewanderer1: We should discuss whether this is really a hardware error or a " problem between keyboard and chair" instead ;) |
| 14:04.02 | gnarface | there's drift on a lot of modern clockchips, sadly |
| 14:04.04 | XThief | thewanderer1 cause there more than 1 pc |
| 14:04.32 | thewanderer1 | as long as you have the ntp daemon running, it keeps the clock drift away |
| 14:04.48 | gnarface | that is true |
| 14:04.54 | XThief | thewanderer1 how can i check if the daemon is running? |
| 14:05.08 | XThief | thewanderer1 cause maybe thats the problem |
| 14:05.13 | metalfoo | I'd say when you installed one, you'd know |
| 14:05.19 | thewanderer1 | XThief: perhaps ps aux | grep ntp | grep -v grep |
| 14:05.35 | XThief | metalfoo ntp is not installed by default? |
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| 14:05.46 | thewanderer1 | there is no "default" :P |
| 14:06.03 | thewanderer1 | (for instance, ntp is not on my laptop) |
| 14:06.09 | XThief | oh ok |
| 14:06.19 | metalfoo | Beside of that, ntp and ntpd is again a difference. |
| 14:06.25 | XThief | oh |
| 14:06.26 | XThief | i see |
| 14:06.32 | XThief | i need to put ntpd |
| 14:06.34 | thewanderer1 | yes, ntp is the package which contains ntpd... |
| 14:06.41 | XThief | ok |
| 14:06.44 | XThief | thanks a lot |
| 14:07.06 | metalfoo | thewanderer1: I personally would suggest openntpd. |
| 14:07.24 | thewanderer1 | what are the benefits? |
| 14:07.34 | FabParma | How to insert "CTRL+R" (refresh) to the context menu of Gnome? |
| 14:07.46 | thewanderer1 | FabParma: hack the sources |
| 14:07.50 | sed` | openntpd adjusts the time slowly & continously, i.e. it doesn't jump much |
| 14:08.05 | gnarface | isn't that the default one? |
| 14:08.08 | thewanderer1 | "and does not adjust the rate of the clock." would state the contrary |
| 14:08.15 | thewanderer1 | and ntp is the default one, not openntpd |
| 14:08.19 | thewanderer1 | we're not OpenBSD :P |
| 14:08.29 | metalfoo | It has a more structured syntax and enhanced security (like every OpenFoo which comes from the OpenBSD folks). |
| 14:08.44 | metalfoo | For example I never found a possibility to restrict the interfaces where to bind ntpd to |
| 14:08.51 | metalfoo | In openntpd you can |
| 14:08.54 | gnarface | but i thought ntp also only adjusted the clock gradually? |
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| 14:09.06 | sed` | i don't know about ntp but openntpd does |
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| 14:09.36 | sed` | man, debdelta seriously helps on my slow connection. like 2-3x speed increase |
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| 14:27.35 | infinity0 | how can i get a list of all modified configuration files? |
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| 14:29.16 | infinity0 | (eg. to backup /etc, but only the files i've touched) |
| 14:29.56 | metalfoo | I don't know, but I'd doubt. There are ways to do prepare this in advance of course. |
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| 14:35.27 | sed` | infinity0: it's not a bad idea to use a DVCS like git or Mercurial for /etc/ |
| 14:35.46 | metalfoo | That's what I mean. He should have done this in advance though |
| 14:35.50 | sed` | cd /etc/; hg init; hg add $all_files_you_want_to_track; maybe edit /etc/.hgignore |
| 14:35.54 | sed` | yeah |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | infinity0: to be fair, config files are pretty small .. but next time, look at etckeeper |
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| 14:39.02 | demoneye | How do I install Debian 5.0 via pendrive? I tried live, not what I wanted. I want the whole Debian OS installed on my computer, but installing way - pendrive. |
| 14:39.51 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 14:39.52 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 14:41.17 | rozie | demoneye: run liveusb, use debootstrap to install Debian on HDD |
| 14:41.45 | rozie | debootstrap, cfdisk, mkfs, grub-install is what you need |
| 14:41.45 | hayleyw | my keyboard is retarded and doesnt have a context menu button. i dont see a context menu option in system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts ...so how do i assign another key to that? |
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| 14:42.42 | abrotman | !tell hayleyw about keymap |
| 14:43.12 | demoneye | razie I don't get you, though I'm noobish. Mean to say, I can use Debian Live 5.0.5 from my pendrive, then execute a terminal command to make it install oh my HDD? |
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| 14:44.29 | demoneye | Thank you, abrotman. |
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| 14:44.54 | rozie | demoneye: exactly. debootstrap is the package. |
| 14:45.03 | rozie | demoneye: man debootstrap |
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| 14:45.30 | demoneye | razie, so it will overwrite Ubuntu, to Debian? |
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| 14:45.44 | demoneye | or will there be any conflicts the next time i fire up the computer? |
| 14:45.47 | hayleyw | abrotman, what do i do if xev doesnt pick up the key? it picks up other keys, but not the one i want (fn key i never use) |
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| 14:46.37 | rozie | demoneye: it's up to you how do you install it. it can "overwrite" Ubuntu (you need to format partition) manually |
| 14:46.59 | rozie | or it can install on separete partition (then no need to install grub, just add entries) |
| 14:47.12 | abrotman | hayleyw: IIRC, that's a hardware function |
| 14:47.17 | abrotman | checks |
| 14:47.32 | rozie | demoneye: what debootstrap do is just copying files on given partition |
| 14:47.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:47.39 | hayleyw | abrotman, :( |
| 14:47.59 | demoneye | razie: I see. I want it to be Debian, and Debian only, can debootstrap do that? |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | demoneye: debian live cannot really be used as an installer directly, you can use debootstrap .. but really follow the instructions the bot gave about usb install |
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| 14:48.39 | demoneye | abrotman: okie |
| 14:51.00 | torpedotux | hm :/ can't detect cd-rom (doing a usb install) |
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| 14:52.43 | torpedotux | manual cd-rom.. what would i choose? there is no cd-rom is this laptop |
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| 14:55.29 | demoneye | sorry, I think I'm lost again. Where do I download the .iso file? here? (http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/) |
| 14:56.25 | demoneye | or des it come with Plop bootmanager? |
| 14:56.32 | demoneye | des/does |
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| 14:57.44 | moldovean | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:57.48 | torpedotux | demoneye: are you doing a usb install? |
| 14:58.53 | torpedotux | guys i got the cd image1 ISO which i then chucked into a usb. i can boot into it however the installer needs cd-rom. what's my option? |
| 14:59.08 | demoneye | tropedotux: Yes, I'll be using an 8gb pendrive to install Debian OS on my computer |
| 14:59.50 | infinity0 | sed`, metalfoo: ah ok thanks, i'll have a look into using a scm tool |
| 14:59.54 | alcy | torpedotux: that's not the right way to do it. |
| 14:59.59 | infinity0 | i thought dpkg could tell you about config files though |
| 15:00.17 | torpedotux | alcy: how do you mean? :) |
| 15:00.44 | moldovean | !usb install |
| 15:00.44 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 15:00.53 | torpedotux | alcy: the installer keeps asking for cd-rom. there is no cd-rom in this laptop. |
| 15:01.13 | demoneye | moldovean: thx. So i'll be needing Plop - bootmanager? Can't I use Unetbootin? |
| 15:01.19 | torpedotux | !tell torpedotux about plop |
| 15:01.36 | torpedotux | heh |
| 15:01.37 | jelly-home | wtf is plop! |
| 15:01.39 | alcy | torpedotux: you should follow the instructions from the debian manual. Its an easy process. Plop or whatever is not needed really. |
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| 15:01.58 | jester_ | @demoneye user unetbootin it works well |
| 15:02.02 | torpedotux | jelly-home: Josh's stuff :P |
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| 15:02.10 | jester_ | -r |
| 15:02.11 | jelly-home | who's Josh! |
| 15:02.16 | torpedotux | jester_: hmm unetbottin |
| 15:02.27 | torpedotux | must be some fancy stuff eh? :P |
| 15:02.33 | torpedotux | jelly-home: dunno |
| 15:02.47 | jester_ | whats about it? |
| 15:03.01 | jester_ | i like it, its easy and it works... |
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| 15:03.35 | torpedotux | alcy: the docs/ directory you mean right? |
| 15:03.43 | torpedotux | alcy: in cd 1 i.e. |
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| 15:04.00 | torpedotux | jester_: i shall give that a go. thank you. |
| 15:04.09 | noob | well hello everyone../ |
| 15:04.14 | torpedotux | hi noob |
| 15:04.16 | alcy | torpedotux: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 use the flexible way |
| 15:04.17 | demoneye | Ok let me double check with you guys. I am currently downloading "debian-505-i386-netinst.iso", I'll then add the to unetbootin and boot it to my pendrive and so on so forth? |
| 15:04.38 | noob | i have a stupide question, anyone up to it? |
| 15:04.46 | torpedotux | alcy: thank you. |
| 15:04.49 | fxiny | torpedotux: hey ! rot me 13 ;) |
| 15:05.24 | jester_ | you can download the image also through unetbootin, it does everything for you |
| 15:06.05 | noob | it's about installing Debian on a intel e-5400 (IAM64) system |
| 15:06.31 | noob | nobudy interested? |
| 15:06.39 | jester_ | ask the question noob? |
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| 15:07.03 | noob | alright, i downloaded the netinst iso and burned it. but i can;t boot from it. |
| 15:07.08 | noob | WHY?? |
| 15:07.21 | jelly-home | noob: you need amd64 or i386 installation, NOT ia64 |
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| 15:07.33 | noob | i See../ |
| 15:07.42 | noob | which one is most recommeded for my processor? |
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| 15:07.52 | jelly-home | noob: both will work |
| 15:08.10 | gnarface | looking for openal 32-bit compatibility libraries for amd64 - pst! |
| 15:08.12 | noob | well thank you very much../ |
| 15:08.51 | jester_ | noob: i would take the 32bit... |
| 15:09.40 | noob | jelly-home one last question about this, this processor is 64 bit, is it better to install the AMD64 version when the most important consideration is the performace? |
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| 15:09.59 | noob | okay so the i386 it is../ |
| 15:10.03 | jelly-home | noob: if you're talking about a server, sure |
| 15:10.27 | demoneye | hmm, how do i check if my computer is i386 or 64? |
| 15:10.28 | noob | yeah i do, i want to upgrade my current web/mail server (2x 500 |
| 15:10.32 | gnarface | some desktop stuff feels faster in 32-bit on amd64 |
| 15:10.33 | jelly-home | !lm |
| 15:10.33 | dpkg | well, lm is "long mode": grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:10.34 | noob | Mhz PIII) |
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| 15:10.40 | jelly-home | demoneye: ^^ |
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| 15:11.13 | gnarface | the biggest problem with the amd64 port is just that the hardware is far less common so it's simply not as well tested |
| 15:11.17 | noob | :jelly-home; thank you so much for this information. i have no intention using a desktop enviroment../ |
| 15:12.06 | noob | :gnarface; okay in what way could that be a problem for my intentions? |
| 15:12.15 | demoneye | So what does this mean? "flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc up pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl tm2 cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm" |
| 15:12.27 | jelly-home | demoneye: "it's 64bit" |
| 15:12.36 | jelly-home | demoneye: there's an "lm" in there. |
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| 15:13.17 | demoneye | jelly-home: ahh, ok. So next time I should download *64 iso, instead of i386? |
| 15:13.29 | alcy | noob: no problem if all your hardware works. which usually does. so stopgetting confused, burn an iso, have fun |
| 15:14.05 | jelly-home | demoneye: that's your choice, and it's not *64 but just amd64 |
| 15:14.11 | gnarface | noob: you said you are setting up a server environment instead of a desktop one? none really that i've noticed. the problems i've had with the amd64 port primarily centralize around desktop stuff (audio/graphical libraries and such) being missing or having broken packages slightly more often. you'll probably be fine with either though, really |
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| 15:15.13 | noob | okay thnx jelly-home, gnarface and alcy for your information and reassuring words../ |
| 15:15.20 | sed` | amd64 is not problematic anymore on any system, in my limited experience |
| 15:15.24 | noob | i will get startet then ;)../ |
| 15:16.24 | gnarface | sed`: the only problem i'm having with it right now is there's no 32-bit compatibility openal library, so wine 1.2 won't build with openal support :( |
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| 15:16.27 | jester_ | sed: ehm what about the flashplayer? there are still only workaround solutions as far as i know? or is there something new? |
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| 15:16.49 | sed` | gnarface: oh yes, that's true, ia32-compat libs are sometimes lacking or problematic. |
| 15:17.09 | noob | okay wait, i have one question to ask for someone who wants to answer (sorry i'm just a curious guy), why isn;t it possible to boot from the netinst ai64 image? |
| 15:17.30 | sed` | gnarface: i worked around that problem by manually unpacking the i386 libopenal1 .deb and placed the .so in /usr/lib32/ |
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| 15:17.50 | sed` | (though /usr/local/lib32/ would be better, with an edited /etc/ld.so.conf) |
| 15:17.54 | gnarface | sed`good to know. i've also still got this weird issue where the boot process on amd64 pauses intermittently until i hit a key, but i think it's not a bug in sysv-rc/insserv as much as something that broke during an upgrade from lenny a long time ago i never noticed and can't find |
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| 15:18.53 | gnarface | noob: if i recall, it's because the ia64 port is actually for just a few special intel chips that predated 64-bit hardware that could also run 32-bit binaries |
| 15:19.05 | sed` | gnarface: yeah, that doesn't sound like an architecture specific problem. i'm running amd64 on quite a number of systems, from lenny to sid/experimental and have never seen that |
| 15:19.07 | thewanderer1 | Itanium = ia64; Core = amd64 |
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| 15:19.26 | noob | well thnx again gnarface, i will live with that answer ;)../ |
| 15:19.45 | sed` | noob: ia64 is not x86_64, as thewanderer1 said |
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| 15:20.06 | thewanderer1 | but Itanium is pretty cool, it's cleaner than x86_64 in kernel hacks :P |
| 15:20.10 | gnarface | amd beat intel to the punch on 32-bit compatible 64-bit hardware, so the port is named in their honor |
| 15:20.18 | pallgone | ew, tried installing the nvidia driver from the website... it works, I'm surprised |
| 15:20.29 | dvs | thewanderer1: yeah, because they started from scratch. |
| 15:20.42 | sed` | it's too bad that DEC Alpha died :( |
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| 15:20.59 | sed` | they were too far ahead in time back then |
| 15:21.03 | noob | (i'm sorry i'm not able to contribute to the other questions becouse i'm not that skilled enough in linux)../ |
| 15:21.06 | pallgone | wouldn't have cared if the system would be screwed |
| 15:21.57 | sed` | why did intel/x86 succeed anyway? it seems like there were plenty of superior architectures... i mean, compare motorola 680** to the 80286... |
| 15:22.02 | metalfoo | thewanderer1: Seldom the best system wins, but the cheapest/reliabest/easiers |
| 15:22.19 | gnarface | bah it's not even cheapest/most reliable, it's MARKETING |
| 15:22.36 | metalfoo | Well I'd bet Intel has its own budget for that |
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| 15:22.55 | sed` | it's the same with Atom nowadays. its speed/energy ratio sucks compared to ARM. |
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| 15:23.12 | gnarface | IBM sold "business machines" - they even put it in the name. it was too easy for that to cast superior hardware as "gaming computers" and suddenly people were afraid that would mean they couldn't "do business" with them |
| 15:23.16 | jelly-home | sed`: that's why you don't have an atom in your phone |
| 15:23.16 | torpedotux | businesscard iso download. facepalms |
| 15:23.42 | sed` | jelly-home: i'd like to see ARM based net-/notebooks |
| 15:24.29 | gnarface | i'd like to just see the nokia n900 get some support by AT&T so i could finally run debian on my cellphone |
| 15:24.44 | metalfoo | Unless Windows runs on it, nobody will ever produce ARM laptops (don't speak about smart phones and those tablet pc !"§(=) things) |
| 15:25.03 | gnarface | don't forget you'll never get a copy of flash for ARM either >:( |
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| 15:25.08 | thewanderer1 | sed`: Lenovo U1 |
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| 15:25.31 | sed` | gnarface: yeah, the world would collapse without flash (no FarmVille, ohnoes!) :D |
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| 15:25.40 | torpedotux | yeah i was gonna say that i read abt quite a few arm netbooks a while ago |
| 15:25.47 | gnarface | wouldn't mind an arm in his phone but would rather have a phone in his arm |
| 15:26.10 | lamah | whio knows release date of 6.0 ? |
| 15:26.12 | torpedotux | heh arm in the phone mean you? :) |
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| 15:26.36 | dexterddit | i need some help a have 2 NICs and 2 gateways , only want to use one internet gateway ,can some tell me how ? |
| 15:27.29 | metalfoo | Redesign your network? |
| 15:27.53 | gnarface | ot |
| 15:28.03 | jelly-home | dexterddit: how do you configure your interfaces? |
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| 15:28.17 | gnarface | it'll only use the gateway you specify, dexterddit - the trick isn't getting it to use one. the trick is getting it to use both |
| 15:28.22 | lamah | squeeze was frozen 6. August 2010 - The release team is now focusing on stabilizing the release. |
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| 15:29.02 | themill | lamah: you already seem to know the answer then. |
| 15:29.24 | lamah | themill: i am not sure |
| 15:29.48 | lamah | themill: but i think will be release in august |
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| 15:29.54 | jelly-home | lamah: there is no release date known in the advance. |
| 15:30.11 | themill | lamah: it will be lucky to be before the end of the year |
| 15:30.34 | jelly-home | lamah: last two freezes took 6-12 months |
| 15:30.38 | lamah | themill: i don't think but who knows |
| 15:30.42 | Guest40129 | hello |
| 15:31.00 | lamah | themill: may be u are right: 6.0 squeeze on TBA 2010 2.6.32 probably 2.6.36? |
| 15:31.08 | lamah | themill: after 2/3 mounts |
| 15:31.13 | dexterddit | jelly-home with dhcp booth of them |
| 15:31.47 | jelly-home | dexterddit: you will have to override dchp configuration on one not to give you a gateway |
| 15:32.21 | dexterddit | jelly-home: make one of them static ? |
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| 15:33.04 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 15:33.06 | jelly-home | dexterddit: if you can, sure |
| 15:33.46 | dexterddit | any ideea on where i can find a how to or something like that ? |
| 15:34.00 | jelly-home | !tell dexterddit about interfaces |
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| 15:35.49 | dexterddit | thanks jelly-home |
| 15:36.11 | _joey | does anyone know if wireless 3G modem Huawei E160G is supported and works well? |
| 15:36.12 | _joey | thanks! |
| 15:36.17 | Bladerunner05 | on etch I run apt-get update and during installation it ask me to remove or not the same kernel version I'm running. it suggest me to answer no. I ansered no and return this error linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:36.30 | Bladerunner05 | whats happened? |
| 15:36.37 | gnarface | etch is officially deprecated |
| 15:36.39 | gnarface | update to lenny |
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| 15:37.18 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: first and foremost, when an error happens, show the whole command you used and the whole output, not just one line. Use a pastebin. |
| 15:37.20 | Bladerunner05 | of course gnarface, but not today |
| 15:37.24 | metalfoo | Beside of that it's the expected behaviour when you choose "stop update process" and the process stops. So whats the question? |
| 15:37.53 | sed` | lamah: 2.6.32 is a kernel with official long-term maintenance, 2-3 years |
| 15:37.59 | sed` | perfect for debian stable, imho |
| 15:38.45 | lamah | sed: :-) |
| 15:39.12 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: sorry, here is the whole text http://pastebin.ca/1912819 |
| 15:39.34 | sed` | also the kernel is probably the easiest part to upgrade independently of the rest |
| 15:39.36 | torpedotux | damn it's giving me "MBR FA:" during boot |
| 15:39.41 | sed` | so it's not a big deal |
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| 15:40.03 | torpedotux | i followed everything http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 15:40.25 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: you didn't say "no" this time! |
| 15:40.49 | jelly-home | hm. |
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| 15:41.18 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: I say no and it return error |
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| 15:41.54 | Guest40129 | i tried to install dropbox a few days ago |
| 15:41.58 | torpedotux | guys what step am i missing? :/ |
| 15:42.11 | Guest40129 | but it doesn't worked |
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| 15:42.21 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: you're using an old kernel even for etch. In addition it seems you don't have any php API installed at the moment, is that right? |
| 15:42.26 | Guest40129 | but now is my apt-get don't working |
| 15:43.00 | Guest40129 | i tried to install dvb-apps (apt-get install dvb-app) |
| 15:43.03 | jelly-home | Guest40129: install linux-image-686. |
| 15:43.03 | dvs | torpedotux: that sometimes happens when the boot.img.gz and the iso image don't match up |
| 15:43.11 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: php is installed and working yet. May I specity to apt-get to exclude the kernel image ? |
| 15:43.12 | jester_ | Guest40129: Whats the error message, and how did you triy to install it? |
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| 15:43.37 | Guest40129 | i have only the german version |
| 15:43.38 | cryptopsy | what's the wget flag for continuing if one of the links its following is 404? |
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| 15:43.56 | Guest40129 | but it says: Abhaengigkeiten nicht erfuellt |
| 15:44.00 | jester_ | link it iam from germany.. |
| 15:44.04 | TimTusk | Hey guys, just wanted to show my desktop. |
| 15:44.05 | acx0 | does testing receive kernel updates? |
| 15:44.05 | TimTusk | http://i.imgur.com/zp7ke.jpg |
| 15:44.15 | jelly-home | cryptopsy: 404 means the file doesn't exist in that URL any more. |
| 15:44.27 | jester_ | Guest: dann fehlt ne library |
| 15:44.36 | jelly-home | cryptopsy: it's gone. You can't continue downloading it. |
| 15:44.44 | Guest40129 | nautlius-dropbox: Hängt ab: libnautilus-extension1 |
| 15:44.56 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 15:44.56 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 15:45.03 | torpedotux | dvs: hmm. thanks but pressing "A" did some magic ;) |
| 15:45.13 | cryptopsy | jelly-home: where do you get off thinking that i'm downloading a file? |
| 15:45.21 | cryptopsy | jelly-home: i'm fetching an entire hierarchy here |
| 15:45.46 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 linux-image\* \*php\* |grep '^.i' |
| 15:45.49 | jester_ | have you installed this library? libnautilus-extensions1? |
| 15:46.30 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1912822 |
| 15:46.46 | jester_ | Guest40129: have you installed this library? libnautilus-extensions1? |
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| 15:47.25 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: I need to install php4-curl |
| 15:47.27 | torpedotux | back to square one. i have no cd-rom :/ |
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| 15:48.26 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: alright. try this first, echo linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 15:48.57 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-nome: nothing to print.. |
| 15:49.06 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: after that, do LANG=C apt-get -d install php4-curl libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 15:49.16 | Guest40129 | jester_: i don't know |
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| 15:50.17 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: this is the result http://pastebin.ca/1912823 |
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| 15:51.12 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: $DEITY, your system is from before etch became stable |
| 15:51.55 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: don't understand.. |
| 15:52.04 | jester_ | Guest40129: just a second i have to search for it, i have installed an older version |
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| 15:52.16 | jester_ | Guest40129: 0.6.1 |
| 15:52.30 | jester_ | not the newest, this one is working fine with debian lenny |
| 15:52.46 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: packages from etch are newer that what you have on the system. Installing almost anything results in important packages like libc6 being upgraded. |
| 15:53.13 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: what can I do ? |
| 15:53.55 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: I'd strongly suggest getting a fresh, debian 5.0 installation, and migrating your apps there to php5. |
| 15:54.16 | Bladerunner05 | ok, but I can't do this now |
| 15:54.48 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: you can't install php4-curl from etch, either, without upgrading half the system |
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| 15:55.05 | demoneye | Unetbootin: Distribution: Debian, Stable_NetInstall.. (debian-505-i386-netinst.iso, says: There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive |
| 15:55.45 | jelly-home | !unetbootin |
| 15:55.45 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
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| 15:56.03 | jelly-home | that wasn't overly useful |
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| 15:57.05 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: hm. You could try looking for the exact same version of php4-curl matching your php4 packages on http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 15:57.22 | pallgone | demoneye: if you want to install from usb, do it with the proper image |
| 15:57.32 | dvs | pallgone: he's gone |
| 15:57.52 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: so.. can I upgrade without loosing anythings ? |
| 15:57.56 | pallgone | dvs: thx, I see now |
| 15:58.04 | jester_ | Guest40129: ok i cant find the debian file, but try it with this https://www.dropbox.com/download?dl=packages/nautilus-dropbox-0.6.1.tar.bz2 |
| 15:58.19 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: probably not |
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| 15:58.46 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: I mean, if you upgrade the whole system to etch proper, some things are going to break and you |
| 15:58.52 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: 'll have to fix them |
| 15:59.00 | jester_ | Guest40129: but use ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall instead of make install |
| 15:59.01 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: ok I backup all and install a new debian 5.0 !!! :) |
| 15:59.24 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: thanks for your time... where u from ?= |
| 15:59.28 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: that's probably a better use of your time. |
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| 16:00.37 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: why not try hunting for php4-curl 4.4.2-1 binary package on snapshots? |
| 16:00.52 | gnarface | uhg php4 is a menace |
| 16:01.16 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: I don't know how-to.. |
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| 16:01.32 | ma3x | hi what uses iceweasel to interpret tables and forms? |
| 16:01.43 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: dude, visit that page, use the binary package search form |
| 16:01.47 | jester_ | Guest40129: checkinstall has to be installed first: apt-get install checkinstall |
| 16:02.29 | ma3x | the 3.5.10 (backport) seems to render the tables incorrectly, while the one in stable displays them just perfect. does this have to do anything with gecko or is it an iceweasel problem itself/ |
| 16:02.30 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: find the package that exactly matches the version of other php4 packages on your system, download it and install with dpkg |
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| 16:04.48 | BelaLugosi | Hi there, i want to stop a running mysql-server, but it's failing. /etc/init.d/mysql status gives me -> |
| 16:04.55 | BelaLugosi | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 16:04.56 | BelaLugosi | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 16:04.59 | pallgone | ma3x: i think that's easy to find out, get the firefox from mozilla and try if it happens there too |
| 16:05.03 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: on http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/php4-curl/ I found 3 entries for 4.4.2-1 witch is the version of other php pkg. wich one is the right one ? |
| 16:05.17 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 16:05.20 | ma3x | pallgone: yes it happens there too |
| 16:05.41 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: i386 |
| 16:06.03 | pallgone | ma3x: well, then maybe your code is not proper? |
| 16:06.16 | ma3x | pallgone: it happens on many websites |
| 16:06.19 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: use 4: 4.4.2-1 link |
| 16:06.39 | ma3x | pallgone: just launched firefox from ubuntu, it doesn't appear to be a problem there |
| 16:06.44 | pallgone | ma3x: for example? |
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| 16:07.53 | ma3x | for example i see login form, and instead being empty i see underscores/scrubs in it |
| 16:08.12 | pallgone | ma3x: yeah, but do you have an url for me? |
| 16:08.14 | ma3x | it's messed up, not clean and nice |
| 16:08.18 | ma3x | yeah hold on |
| 16:08.27 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home doing dpkg -i xxx.deb my I compromise the system ? |
| 16:09.07 | jelly-home | yes if you install crap |
| 16:09.13 | davetoo | Hi; brand-new to debian, long time since I've installed *any* linux distro. I have an amd64 system with a 3ware 9650se-4lp controller, which was working fine in FreeBSD under VMWare esxi; This 5.0.4 install CD doesn't see the controller/volumes. What will I need to do to use this card with Lenny? |
| 16:09.34 | gnarface | !kmuto |
| 16:09.34 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 16:09.40 | gnarface | davetoo: ^^^^ |
| 16:09.46 | davetoo | (this is on the bare metal now) |
| 16:09.46 | davetoo | ok |
| 16:09.54 | davetoo | will look |
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| 16:10.04 | gnarface | try the kmuto installer first, then if that sucks try squeeze or sid |
| 16:10.31 | jelly-home | would install squeeze nor sid on any server |
| 16:10.37 | jelly-home | would NOT |
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| 16:10.45 | davetoo | It looks like LSI themselves have made an installer with their drivers, but ... dunno if they are sane |
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| 16:12.00 | davetoo | Can I finish the current install and do a "fix" with the new installer or should just abandon this current one? |
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| 16:12.50 | jelly-home | davetoo: hm, well, where are you installing if you can't see the arrays? :-) |
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| 16:13.07 | davetoo | home and /tmp are physical disks |
| 16:13.15 | davetoo | the array is for the database :) |
| 16:13.23 | davetoo | I mean, / |
| 16:13.26 | davetoo | and /tmp |
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| 16:13.39 | davetoo | eh, I'm not that far in, I'll just start over |
| 16:13.42 | jelly-home | davetoo: aight, no need for the alternate installer then -- try the backported newer kernel then |
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| 16:14.01 | jelly-home | !tell davetoo about bpo |
| 16:14.03 | jelly-home | !tell davetoo about bpo kernel |
| 16:14.30 | davetoo | It's been so long since I've messed with Linux, might be faster for me to start over :) |
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| 16:19.21 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: what mean "yes if u install crap " ? |
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| 16:19.55 | shylent | well it is possible to install a package that contains, literally, crap |
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| 16:19.57 | shylent | something unwanted |
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| 16:20.05 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: if you install deb packages from weird sources, it might do damage |
| 16:20.06 | shylent | see? |
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| 16:21.15 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: but if you're asking whether installing with dpkg -i is more harmful than installing with apt, the answer would be "no" |
| 16:21.57 | Bladerunner05 | jelly-home: I download this php4-curl_4.4.2-1_i386.deb its correct ? |
| 16:22.32 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: sounds right |
| 16:23.06 | Bladerunner05 | how may I be sure jelly? |
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| 16:23.44 | jelly-home | Bladerunner05: make a complete backup of the system before installing if you're that unsure |
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| 16:30.02 | Gijs | hey all |
| 16:30.03 | Gijs | is it possible that if i run a file on debian, so like "php test.php?some=thing" |
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| 16:31.02 | jelly-home | gijs: ... |
| 16:31.12 | jelly-home | *shrug* |
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| 16:34.37 | johntramp | hi. is it possible to see what time a command was run? or when a running application was started? |
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| 16:35.23 | gnarface | ps? |
| 16:36.02 | johntramp | ah yup thanks |
| 16:36.50 | beardy | By default not much accounting is done. |
| 16:38.41 | jelly-home | one may install acct, and atop nowadays, to gain some |
| 16:42.05 | pallgone | !squeeze |
| 16:42.05 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 16:42.31 | thrashold | Is there any GUI less/most-like app? |
| 16:42.37 | pallgone | !lenny->squeeze |
| 16:43.01 | jelly-home | pallgone: msg the bot. |
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| 16:43.15 | pallgone | jelly-home: it's not for me |
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| 16:44.43 | pallgone | how to trigger the instructions for the upgrade? |
| 16:45.02 | jelly-home | !tell pallgone about lenny->squeeze |
| 16:45.18 | jelly-home | there's a bug with ! and -> |
| 16:45.55 | pallgone | !tell ma3x about lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:46.31 | jelly-home | ah, I'm ignoring that nick, sorry |
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| 16:49.22 | juanpr | hi. I have a question about the xorg memory usage... it grows and never decreases... why? there is a solution for this problem? I have testing updated |
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| 16:51.05 | gnarface | juanpr: i think it has something to do with acceleration hardware, but i'm not sure |
| 16:51.17 | gnarface | i remember there being a fundamental issue with x and accurate memory reporting |
| 16:52.53 | cahoot | juanpr: how do you measure? |
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| 16:55.14 | juanpr | with htop and ksysguard, and the process starts with 15 to 20 MB and reaches to 80 to 100 MB in 5 or 6 hours (I have 1 GB of ram) |
| 16:55.36 | xyan | juanpr: try xrestop |
| 16:56.43 | juanpr | what it is? I dont know |
| 16:57.06 | xyan | apt-cache show xrestop |
| 16:57.14 | cahoot | 2179 root 20 0 99.7m 28m 12m S 1 1.4 33:48.26 Xorg after 10h - seems reasonable |
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| 17:01.54 | pallgone | hmm, why is emerald not in sid/squeeze? |
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| 17:02.29 | gnarface | pallgone: fucking why yea, that's what i've been saying. |
| 17:02.48 | gnarface | pallgone: also, why does compiz not support any decent window managers. |
| 17:03.02 | pallgone | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.13 | gnarface | pallgone: haven't got any answers yet |
| 17:03.24 | pallgone | well, emerald is decent... |
| 17:03.39 | thewanderer1 | we have compiz-fusion in the repos, I suppose |
| 17:03.46 | thewanderer1 | and it has some kind of window manager built in |
| 17:04.01 | gnarface | wants a gtk-window-decorator that is compatible with enlightenment 0.16 themes |
| 17:04.02 | pallgone | thewanderer1: really, what is it? |
| 17:04.03 | thewanderer1 | at least that's what I see when I run compiz --replace under GNOME |
| 17:04.17 | thewanderer1 | I think it uses metacity under the hood, actually, or a port of it |
| 17:04.17 | gnarface | pallgone: "gtk-window-decorator" it's a bit ... simple, let's say. |
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| 17:04.31 | pallgone | it's using metacity... |
| 17:04.35 | thewanderer1 | I've never liked metacity anyway |
| 17:04.39 | pallgone | metacity is crap |
| 17:04.44 | gnarface | enlightenment foreva!! |
| 17:04.50 | thewanderer1 | ^minority |
| 17:04.58 | gnarface | i'm probably the last one still using it |
| 17:05.11 | thewanderer1 | I'm just waiting till KDE supports cellwriter... |
| 17:05.22 | thewanderer1 | right now I'm stuck with GNOME :P |
| 17:05.36 | gnarface | talk about a memory hog |
| 17:05.47 | thewanderer1 | no, it uses less memory than GNOME |
| 17:06.06 | thewanderer1 | perhaps not up-front, but scales better according to some random benchmarks found online |
| 17:06.14 | gnarface | hmm. interesting |
| 17:06.26 | thewanderer1 | I guess it's just this Qt shared libs thing |
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| 17:06.49 | thewanderer1 | it might be huge but when it's huge then it contains everything and apps don't have to load anything else |
| 17:07.26 | gnarface | the thing that always bugged me about gnome is the app dependencies are sometimes deranged. like... why does cd ripping software that doesn't store an album list require mysql? that's just retarded |
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| 17:07.56 | rubin110 | Under squeeze, what happend to the old login screen manager thing? |
| 17:07.56 | gnarface | but then grip got kicked out of debian apparently for some sort of atrocity anyway |
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| 17:08.07 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: what login screen manager? O.o |
| 17:08.22 | gnarface | rubin110: you mean gdm? or kdm? or xdm? or entrance? |
| 17:08.38 | rubin110 | thewanderer1: The thing under System > Admin > Login Screen, it let you select a slew of options to dewl with the gms login screen. |
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| 17:09.32 | rubin110 | options to deal |
| 17:09.33 | moldovean | , versions grip |
| 17:09.35 | judd | grip -- etch: 3.3.1-11; lenny: 3.3.1-15+b2; sid-multimedia: 3.3.1-15.2; squeeze-multimedia: 3.3.1-15.2 |
| 17:09.41 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: it's still there ;P |
| 17:09.46 | gnarface | huh |
| 17:09.48 | gnarface | it's back |
| 17:09.50 | rubin110 | judd: All the options are gone though. |
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| 17:10.03 | rubin110 | It just a tiny window now asking if I'd like to setup auto login. |
| 17:10.30 | gnarface | i managed to make some tweaks to the asunder source to get it to do for me what grip did though |
| 17:10.32 | thewanderer1 | er... |
| 17:10.38 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: I don't know about anything like that |
| 17:10.56 | thewanderer1 | it presents me with the full dialog |
| 17:11.01 | rubin110 | Hu. |
| 17:11.02 | rubin110 | Weird. |
| 17:11.21 | rubin110 | It's grig? |
| 17:11.36 | rubin110 | Oh no, that's something else. |
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| 17:12.21 | rubin110 | What's the quickest way to take a screen shot? |
| 17:12.21 | rubin110 | Ah. |
| 17:12.23 | rubin110 | Here. |
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| 17:12.26 | rubin110 | This is what I see now... |
| 17:12.27 | rubin110 | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3904127090_7a7c8e8a96_o.png |
| 17:12.43 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: you're not on Ubuntu are you... |
| 17:13.30 | rubin110 | No. |
| 17:13.37 | rubin110 | That's some screenshot I found online. |
| 17:14.37 | thewanderer1 | this screenshot is from Ubuntu :P |
| 17:14.38 | moldovean | it's named "Login Window" not "Login screen" |
| 17:14.44 | torpedotux | `i have no choice but to do pxe install |
| 17:14.46 | torpedotux | :( |
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| 17:14.53 | thewanderer1 | torpedotux: oh come on, it's not so bad |
| 17:15.07 | thewanderer1 | OpenBSD over PXE is worse. |
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| 17:15.18 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: dude it keeps asking for cd-rom. i tried mounting /cdrom, -o loop doesn't work on busybox |
| 17:15.35 | rubin110 | thewanderer1: http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html |
| 17:15.42 | torpedotux | heh |
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| 17:16.17 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: i copied the businesscard.iso onto the usb and did everything you said |
| 17:16.40 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: specifically the docs (everything was done according to it) |
| 17:16.52 | thewanderer1 | torpedotux: screw installer, do it manually! |
| 17:17.00 | thewanderer1 | (that's how I install all my PC's anyway) |
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| 17:18.08 | thewanderer1 | boot Debian Live over PXE / NFS root, fire up LXDE or KDE, make yourself comfy, fire up a browser and do some good reading while debootstrap is installing packages on your newly-created (with cfdisk or sth) partition :P |
| 17:18.19 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: manually as in copy vmlinuz, initrd.gz and ? |
| 17:18.23 | thewanderer1 | no, no |
| 17:18.33 | thewanderer1 | debootstrap, chroot and then apt-get everything you need :P |
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| 17:19.12 | torpedotux | oh man that will be a real pita |
| 17:19.39 | thewanderer1 | if you know what you're doing, then not at all |
| 17:19.53 | thewanderer1 | plus Debian Live lets you fire up IRC and get in here while installing ;P |
| 17:20.00 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: lol |
| 17:20.11 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: hehehe |
| 17:20.25 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: yes, the main installer needs IRC and nethack |
| 17:20.34 | torpedotux | nethack lmfao |
| 17:20.35 | torpedotux | :D |
| 17:20.58 | thewanderer1 | Ikarus: Nexenta OS, when it was still based on Debian, had `bastet` included in the installer, which is a bastard version of Tetris |
| 17:21.13 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: used to be a common patch for Debian aswell |
| 17:21.14 | torpedotux | alright i better head off.. will give it a shot tomorrow.. ahmm today.. |
| 17:21.20 | Ikarus | ptetris on console 5 |
| 17:21.21 | rubin110 | How do I print current user? |
| 17:21.22 | torpedotux | see yaz thewanderer1 thank you |
| 17:21.31 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: id |
| 17:21.34 | rubin110 | Thanks. |
| 17:21.50 | gnarface | rubin110: or "whoami" |
| 17:22.53 | Ikarus | but I see the Debian installer perhaps twice or three times a year at most |
| 17:22.57 | Ikarus | less with FAI now setup |
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| 17:25.10 | martin_ | I want to update lenny -> squeeze.. how do I make sure the kernel gets updated before udev (I read that this is critical) |
| 17:25.41 | thewanderer1 | !tell martin_ about squeeze udev |
| 17:25.46 | martin_ | thk |
| 17:25.56 | Ikarus | martin_: it _should_ go fine |
| 17:25.58 | Ikarus | automatically |
| 17:26.01 | dkr | is google street view on iceweasel broken for anyone else? it used to work fine but now when I scroll/zoom all the way I just get a gold person icon rather than it loading the flash with streetview. tried disabling all my adblock and greasemonkey scripts and add-ons with no luck |
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| 17:26.04 | Ikarus | but well, should is should |
| 17:26.33 | martin_ | hmm ok thanks |
| 17:27.01 | rubin110 | Ah. |
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| 17:27.05 | rubin110 | This guy is seeing the same thing I am. |
| 17:27.06 | rubin110 | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/167009-changing-th-welcome-login-screen-debian-squeeze.html |
| 17:27.16 | thewanderer1 | dkr: say what? the views from South Dakota in a cloudy weather work for me |
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| 17:27.51 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: do you have gdm3? |
| 17:27.59 | dkr | thewanderer1: yeah, I was thinking it had something to do with me, just can't figure out what |
| 17:28.30 | rubin110 | I suppose I do. |
| 17:28.38 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: do you perhaps remember KDE4.0? this is what GDM3 is like now. |
| 17:28.49 | rubin110 | Why? |
| 17:28.51 | rubin110 | :( |
| 17:28.53 | thewanderer1 | also known as "omigod where are all my config options" syndrome |
| 17:29.21 | rubin110 | What's new in gdm3? |
| 17:29.33 | thewanderer1 | under-the-hood stuff |
| 17:29.39 | thewanderer1 | man, install gdm :P |
| 17:29.56 | rubin110 | apt-get remove gdm3 ; apt-get install gdm |
| 17:29.56 | rubin110 | ? |
| 17:30.00 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 17:30.14 | thewanderer1 | you might get kicked out of GUI I suppose, so be prepared |
| 17:30.50 | Ikarus | in a few years we'll have dozens of -legacy packages |
| 17:31.01 | Ikarus | is busy picking up Amarok 1.4 development |
| 17:31.23 | Ikarus | because good old versions sometimes are best |
| 17:32.29 | rubin110 | Also, holy crap netbooks are slow. |
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| 17:33.23 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: no. they have smaller air friction than full-size laptops |
| 17:33.46 | thewanderer1 | mine reaches the wall in 0.4 second while it takes my full-size Acer 0.6s |
| 17:34.14 | rozie | Ikarus: can't belive it |
| 17:34.34 | Ikarus | rozie: which of my 3 statements ? |
| 17:34.39 | thewanderer1 | Ikarus: should I expect batman-legacy in the repos? |
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| 17:34.49 | rozie | I'm on PIII 1GHz right now, and it runs... good enough |
| 17:35.08 | thrashold | Ikarus: Certainly true for Amarok. 2.x just doesn't make sense. |
| 17:35.15 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: if someone is willing to maintain it :) |
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| 17:35.22 | rozie | Ikarus: sorry, it should go to rubin110 |
| 17:35.24 | thewanderer1 | he'll maintain himself |
| 17:35.35 | rozie | rubin110: can't belive it |
| 17:35.38 | rozie | ;) |
| 17:35.38 | Ikarus | thrashold: well, my view is that Amarok 2 is a new program that happens to have the same name |
| 17:35.53 | thrashold | Ikarus: Pretty much, yes |
| 17:35.53 | Ikarus | it doesn't work similair either for the user or behind the scenes |
| 17:36.00 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: netbooks are alright - unless you want Flash (nobody wants Flash, right?) |
| 17:36.11 | thewanderer1 | oh I almost forgot, netbooks don't exist |
| 17:36.32 | thrashold | They removed the useful features I liked in Amarok, added features I don't need, and completely broke the nice interface 1.x had |
| 17:36.45 | Ikarus | thrashold: exactly, they wanted a KDE integral look |
| 17:36.49 | Ikarus | I am sorry, but WHAT |
| 17:37.07 | Ikarus | I want the best UI for a media player |
| 17:37.09 | thrashold | I'd say that they didn't get what they wanted, then |
| 17:37.21 | Ikarus | not an UI that looks nicest next to other KDE apps |
| 17:37.23 | jelly-home | can you people move the rants to #debian-offtopic and leave the channel for tech problems |
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| 17:37.43 | rubin110 | thewanderer1: Last night I was trying to figure out how to get some fake video plugin to work with the html5 version of Youtube and Firefox. |
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| 17:39.14 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: Chromium with HTML5 and WebM works fine for me |
| 17:39.21 | thewanderer1 | it also seems faster than Flash |
| 17:39.32 | rubin110 | Yes but I don't want to use Chrome. :) |
| 17:39.56 | Ikarus | thrashold: can I put your name down for helping debug the packages ? |
| 17:39.57 | thewanderer1 | Chromium is open source, it doesn't spy on you :) |
| 17:40.11 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: as far as you know |
| 17:40.20 | thewanderer1 | yes, I haven't seen all the sources yet :( |
| 17:40.31 | thewanderer1 | I just trust the Debian maintainers |
| 17:41.01 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Being FLOSS and "spying" on you are orthogonal. :) |
| 17:41.28 | thewanderer1 | you can sneak malware into open source code, it's been done in the past |
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| 17:42.29 | achury1 | Have you tried Amaya? Is the test browser used by w3.org |
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| 17:42.42 | Ikarus | thrashold: erm, there is the subversive code contest |
| 17:42.45 | rubin110 | Mmmm. |
| 17:42.53 | Ikarus | thrashold: it shows how open source can still be doing stuff you don't expect |
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| 17:42.59 | rubin110 | Do I really want to install Amarok on my netbook... |
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| 17:43.16 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: use mpd if you don't want a GUI :P |
| 17:43.22 | thrashold | rubin110: Audacious. Rhythmbox. |
| 17:43.31 | Ikarus | rubin110: Amarok is fine on it |
| 17:43.31 | rubin110 | But Amarok is so pretty and full featured. |
| 17:43.43 | Ikarus | atleast 1.4 :) |
| 17:43.48 | thewanderer1 | yes, I miss the best hotkey support too |
| 17:43.50 | Ikarus | I'm running it on all my netbooks |
| 17:43.58 | thewanderer1 | but they somehow removed custom key support from Qt |
| 17:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hm, same with grml... now I can look what I want, even use strace, but it still doesn't make sense :) |
| 17:44.11 | thewanderer1 | how come Qt can't support all keycodes that X.org / GNOME can? |
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| 17:46.01 | rubin110 | Damn it. I want to be using linux again full time... |
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| 17:47.21 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: no problem, just remove windows :P |
| 17:47.30 | rubin110 | Hah. |
| 17:47.35 | rubin110 | I'm on OSX actually. |
| 17:48.07 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: what does file /bin/bash say? |
| 17:48.08 | rubin110 | The netbook is the travel/Burning Man/loan to girlfriend computer. |
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| 17:48.42 | jelly-home | rubin110: no problem, just install Linux |
| 17:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | 32bit executable, stripped... what I thought it would say |
| 17:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's i686 grml... 2.6.33 preempt |
| 17:49.37 | rubin110 | jelly-home: Yes, except I'm at the mercy of Adobe's software. |
| 17:49.47 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: i suspect grml-chroot won't work either? |
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| 17:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I rsynced my disk... so I suspet something went wrong there... this disk was never mounted |
| 17:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but everything looks ok |
| 17:50.32 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: can you execute any file from there without chrooting? |
| 17:50.42 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: strace chroot /bin/bash |
| 17:50.44 | thewanderer1 | what if you copy a binary over and execute it? |
| 17:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see grml-chroot... but don't think ti'll make a diff |
| 17:50.53 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: pastebin the result |
| 17:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, good idea! could be mounted noexec... but wouldn't produce "file not found" but permission denied |
| 17:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | lemme try, though |
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| 17:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, executes just fine |
| 17:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm let me see |
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| 18:02.26 | thewanderer1 | note to self: full-screen Flash always hangs X.org |
| 18:03.06 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: verify ld.so and libc file are in place |
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| 18:03.44 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /lib/libc.so.6 and whatever they point to |
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| 18:05.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/Wh5WFFmD |
| 18:05.18 | thewanderer1 | reiser? oh man... |
| 18:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh years! |
| 18:06.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 18:06.19 | thewanderer1 | execve("/bin/bash", ["/bin/bash"], [/* 53 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 18:06.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's nice, if only for the groans it sometimes reates |
| 18:06.29 | thewanderer1 | this is in the spotlight now |
| 18:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | creates* |
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| 18:06.44 | thewanderer1 | it tells you that there is no /bin/bash |
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| 18:07.53 | thewanderer1 | what is worse, this is what the *kernel* says |
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| 18:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | good idea, jelly... |
| 18:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems libdl-2.7.so is missing |
| 18:09.13 | thewanderer1 | errrr |
| 18:09.21 | thewanderer1 | libld? |
| 18:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | /lib/libdl-2.7.so |
| 18:10.01 | thewanderer1 | ah yes, this would complicate things admittedly |
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| 18:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and /lib/libc-2.7.so :( |
| 18:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that explains things pretty well |
| 18:10.56 | jelly-home | reinstall libc6 |
| 18:11.03 | thewanderer1 | or rather... install it ;P |
| 18:11.09 | jelly-home | nope |
| 18:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit of a pity... the system I cloned from is still in the US, while I moved to .de |
| 18:11.25 | thewanderer1 | (Linux returns nonsensical error messages anyway) |
| 18:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that means something went wrong with the rsync |
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| 18:11.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh dear... |
| 18:11.30 | thewanderer1 | well yeah |
| 18:11.45 | jelly-home | it's quite hard to manage to have a debian system with dpkg thinking libc6 is not installed |
| 18:12.06 | thewanderer1 | after incomplete rsync, this is understandable |
| 18:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I can patch that up by reinstalling libc... but the sad thing is that there was some problem cloning the drive |
| 18:12.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seemed complete! |
| 18:12.14 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: are symlinks ok ? |
| 18:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | the symlinks are there... just the files are missing |
| 18:12.28 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: was there at least the identical number of files? |
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| 18:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't remember much... was in a great hurry the weeks before leaving |
| 18:12.53 | jelly-home | wth are you still using resierfs, btw |
| 18:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 18:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, to see the unbelieving look in other peoples eyes |
| 18:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, it's nice |
| 18:13.28 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: rsync don't follow symlinks by default |
| 18:13.29 | jelly-home | it effectively has no fsck |
| 18:13.40 | gnarface | it fsck's itself |
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| 18:13.44 | gnarface | it doesn't need one |
| 18:13.58 | jelly-home | gnarface: haha! |
| 18:14.10 | thewanderer1 | "it fsck's itself" - that's what just happened, right. but in the second meaning of fsck... |
| 18:14.13 | jelly-home | we're not talking about ZFS |
| 18:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, well, that's ok... it should have copied the symlinks _and_ the files (as they're all in /lib) |
| 18:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I can repeat the rsync over the network... |
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| 18:15.17 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: also prepare some md5sum checking :P |
| 18:15.29 | thewanderer1 | debsums should be ok |
| 18:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what rsync should do... |
| 18:15.41 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: do you have the actual rsync command line used; did you check its exit status |
| 18:15.42 | thewanderer1 | yes, "should" has failed you lately :D |
| 18:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's that |
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| 18:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, rsync -CaxH / /stick/ ; # exited without error as far as I recall... but don't recall much |
| 18:17.22 | jelly-home | "was rather inebriated at the time" |
| 18:18.19 | jelly-home | -C, wow, didn't know people were still using cvs |
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| 18:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like "aww, so much to do, will I manage to do it all before the flight" |
| 18:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 18:18.49 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: rsync: chgrp <symlink> failed: Operation not permitted (1) ; rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1058) [sender=3.0.3] |
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| 18:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 18:19.11 | fxiny | yes |
| 18:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ?? |
| 18:19.39 | jelly-home | fxiny: that's one message you can probably ignore. What's your point? |
| 18:20.14 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: that's what i want from rsync when i rsync public_html full of symlinks . |
| 18:20.34 | cheche | I have a problem with mediatomb on squeeze init script does not get on the right place when upgrade http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577619 |
| 18:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I try via the net... |
| 18:20.47 | alkisg | Hi, I reported a bug (#553978) which is fixed in sid, but it's not closed, should I reply to the bug and say that it's now fixed, or will it be closed automatically? |
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| 18:21.02 | fxiny | jelly-home: my point is : he said symlinks are there but not the files |
| 18:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Used 52G.... hope it's not too painful |
| 18:21.22 | jelly-home | fxiny: and...? |
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| 18:21.36 | thewanderer1 | alkisg: the maintainer will close it |
| 18:21.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, it's a recursive rsync... it should copy symlinks as symlinks, not follow them... and it should copy files as files |
| 18:21.41 | jhutchins_lt | alkisg: You might post that it appears to be fixed as of $(version), let someone else verify and close it. |
| 18:21.54 | alkisg | Thank you thewanderer1 and jhutchins_lt |
| 18:22.08 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: ok , then |
| 18:22.42 | cheche | how can I fix #577619 Lenny ==> Squeeze: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/mediatomb exists during rc.d purge ? |
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| 18:23.32 | fxiny | jelly-home: nothing , everything seems fine |
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| 18:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | so much for the "should" part... |
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| 18:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hm, how to best do the rsync? I disallowed root via ssh... but regular user might not be able to read everything |
| 18:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps allow it for some time |
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| 18:24.50 | Infin1ty | i'm trying to install debian on a server that has lsisas2008 controller, the modules are not in the normal installation, what can i do? |
| 18:25.04 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: enable root via ssh. |
| 18:25.20 | gnarface | CutMeOwnThroat: then turn it back off when you're done. |
| 18:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that's the best option... albeit not a good one |
| 18:25.29 | gnarface | that's the easiest option |
| 18:25.36 | gnarface | otherwise you gotta pipe over a ssh tunnel |
| 18:25.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the same ;) |
| 18:25.45 | gnarface | and use sudo/su |
| 18:25.53 | madi | hi |
| 18:26.05 | gnarface | i do it all the time but it's definitely not as easy |
| 18:26.13 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: is it scaring you ? ;P |
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| 18:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, restarting networking with changed options on a host several thousand miles away? |
| 18:26.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes!!! |
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| 18:27.07 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 18:27.35 | innociv | I'm using postfix and one error I get sending mail to people is http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=PTR Googling 554, reverse dns, so on doesn't lead me to how to configure my mail server so I stop getting this error. |
| 18:27.37 | madi | i need a hint: want install debian on a new laptop with such hardware http://ncsu.collegestoreonline.com/ePOS?this_category=159&store=432&item_number=40000039361&form=shared3%2fgm%2fdetail.html&design=432 I prefer debian Lenny . Will it work or have I to install testing? thanks |
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| 18:28.49 | gnarface | innociv: you have to get your isp to fix the reverse mapping of your ip address |
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| 18:29.23 | mms_ | I installed gnash. totem movie player how can be refreshed to show it in it plugins. |
| 18:29.38 | thewanderer1 | madi: install stable and upgrade to testing if it doesn't work wel |
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| 18:30.03 | innociv | gnarface, my isp? It's on a dedicated server |
| 18:30.07 | stayb | how was the command to see what programs running (IDs) to get it "killed" with killall |
| 18:30.10 | madi | thewanderer1, thanks. |
| 18:30.17 | thewanderer1 | stayb: pidof ? |
| 18:30.35 | thewanderer1 | or not... |
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| 18:30.39 | mms_ | any one using totem move player and got gnash configured ? |
| 18:30.40 | martin__ | hmm.. I'm still trying to upgrade lenny to squeeze.. facing strange problems though. I changed sources.list, then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude apt dpkg linux-image-686, and rebooted.. Now I have the udev problem - WHY? I told it to update linux-image-686? |
| 18:30.53 | gnarface | innociv: then your hosting providor. same difference. occasionally (depending on your hosting agreement) you own the IP addresses yourself, not them, in which case you'll have to file a request directly with arin.net yourself - but this should have been done when the addresses were allocated originally. |
| 18:31.00 | stayb | thewanderer1, dont get sth |
| 18:31.16 | stayb | thewanderer1, pidof iceweasel for example still right? |
| 18:31.33 | mms_ | after installing gnash I tried to close the totem movie player and start it but plugin still dont show gnash. |
| 18:31.39 | thewanderer1 | pidof iceweasel returns PID of running iceweasels |
| 18:31.40 | innociv | Yeah I have static ip's given to me. |
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| 18:31.51 | innociv | I'm not sure that I own them. I dont' think so. |
| 18:32.28 | innociv | So I should contact my hosting provider support and say what? |
| 18:32.58 | thewanderer1 | that you need a reverse DNS record :P |
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| 18:33.22 | stayb | iceweasel laggs, i want to kill it, but how ? |
| 18:33.25 | stayb | cant close it |
| 18:33.29 | stayb | normally |
| 18:33.36 | fxiny | pkill it |
| 18:33.41 | martin__ | how can I make sure the kernel is being updated before udev is updated? |
| 18:33.45 | thewanderer1 | stayb: killall iceweasel |
| 18:33.48 | gnarface | innociv: tell them you need the reverse mapping for your ip address that is a resolvable domain name - preferrably one that resolves back to your actual ip address, or some mail servers may still deny you |
| 18:34.09 | stayb | thewanderer1, iceweasel: no process killed |
| 18:34.24 | stayb | but it sitll runs, but cant close it |
| 18:34.31 | thewanderer1 | stayb: then try other names... get the process list with `ps aux` |
| 18:34.31 | innociv | gnarface, this isn't something i need to set up with my domain registra? |
| 18:34.31 | Infin1ty | how can i install debian on a controller that is not built into the installation media? i'm having problems and couldn't find anything on the docs |
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| 18:34.35 | innociv | registrar* |
| 18:34.42 | jpinx-eeepc | innociv: ps -e and look for mozilla/iceweasel processes then kill them |
| 18:34.45 | innociv | That I have pointing to the IP? |
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| 18:35.04 | fxiny | stayb: pgrep -f iceweasel ? |
| 18:35.20 | tharkun | innociv: you need to set the PTR record that points you your server match the A record |
| 18:35.28 | stayb | fxiny, 3234 |
| 18:35.28 | stayb | 5540 |
| 18:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, any additional rsync options for this? -z, I guess... |
| 18:35.31 | gnarface | innociv: the domain name itself, yes, but the reverse mapping that should (but currently does not) refer to it is under the control of another organization |
| 18:35.38 | fxiny | pkill iceweasel ? |
| 18:35.49 | tharkun | pidof iceweasel |
| 18:35.52 | stayb | fxiny, nothing happens |
| 18:35.57 | innociv | I have an A record for mail, I think. |
| 18:36.04 | thewanderer1 | stayb, kill them with -9 flag if you must |
| 18:36.16 | stayb | thewanderer1, how? |
| 18:36.20 | tharkun | innociv: you have an MX record to recieve mail. Not the problem at this stage |
| 18:36.23 | fxiny | thewanderer1: nuke -9 ;) |
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| 18:36.40 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: I use -S but I like playing with sparse files and forgetting to delete them |
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| 18:36.59 | thewanderer1 | stayb: killall -9 iceweasel firefox firefox-bin firefox.bin iceweasel-bin iceweasel.bin |
| 18:37.01 | mms_ | totem and gnash any one ? |
| 18:37.25 | martin__ | how do I update the kernel (lenny -> squeeze) |
| 18:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, -c? |
| 18:37.46 | gnarface | innociv: it's like this: yourdomain.com -> [your ip address] but you also need [your ip address] -> yourdomain.com .... does that make sense? the first part is in your registrar's control, the second part is in arin.net's control (whether your colo will talk to them for you or you have to do it yourself is something you'll have to ask them) |
| 18:37.49 | stayb | that works |
| 18:38.00 | mosty | anyone know where i can find a 64bit flash plugin? adobe have pulled it from their site |
| 18:38.01 | abrotman | mms_: how are the two related? |
| 18:38.17 | thewanderer1 | mosty: you can not - it has security bugs |
| 18:38.17 | abrotman | mosty: its insecure, dont use it |
| 18:38.25 | gnarface | snorts |
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| 18:38.35 | gnarface | as if the new 32-bit one is completely secure |
| 18:38.41 | thewanderer1 | it's not of course |
| 18:38.44 | abrotman | its better |
| 18:38.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... -E? duh... this program has too many options |
| 18:38.58 | thewanderer1 | that's why I'm doing apt-get remove --purge *flash* now |
| 18:39.13 | fxiny | rsync is a dragon beast |
| 18:39.16 | mosty | of course it has security issues- it's flash. i need to test some known safe (not on the internet) flash pages |
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| 18:39.39 | abrotman | mosty: /msg dpkg flash |
| 18:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why I used to use tar... should have done so this time... now over the net, not much choice |
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| 18:40.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: -c makes things slow, use it only if you're unsure the previous rsync worked well |
| 18:40.45 | abrotman | or /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 18:40.47 | jhutchins_lt | I wouldn't think the return on exploits specific to previous-version amd64 linux flash would be very high. |
| 18:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, well, that's me... but guess I'll try without... else this can take ages |
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| 18:41.19 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: can we test that on your box? |
| 18:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the net over there doesn't seem so stable either :( |
| 18:41.34 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: i use mirrodir locally , no flags , nothing , easy . i know it works remotely too but never tried |
| 18:41.43 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Unfortunately no, no 64b processors available. |
| 18:41.51 | innociv | gnarface, do I need to provide my host with the domain name, or is that not needed? |
| 18:42.07 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: we can still test i |
| 18:42.23 | abrotman | ir with 32bit version |
| 18:42.32 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: my -PaHS is similar to yours, -P is just cosmetic |
| 18:43.05 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: be a super hero : nc ;) |
| 18:43.08 | gnarface | innociv: you will need to tell them what to set it to, yes. the ideal thing is the primary public domain name that you use to point to your ip address. |
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| 18:43.49 | fxiny | come on , rsync can do it |
| 18:44.07 | Infin1ty | hmm, so i guess it's not possible to install debian on my server? i got a lsisas2008 controller, bug? |
| 18:45.01 | abrotman | bug? |
| 18:45.13 | thewanderer1 | "not supported" is hardly a bug |
| 18:45.34 | Infin1ty | but it's weird, on centos it worked, and i can't find any documentation regarding this |
| 18:45.38 | abrotman | infinity: did you try the kmuto installers? |
| 18:45.43 | innociv | Thank you very much, gnarface. |
| 18:45.44 | Infin1ty | it's a missing puzzle, so it's like "ok, you can't install it on your server", too bad |
| 18:45.50 | gnarface | innociv: good luck |
| 18:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, I used to do that! tar over nc... |
| 18:46.00 | Infin1ty | abrotman, kmuto? isn't it unsupported stuff? my server goes production |
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| 18:46.25 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: Alan Cox tar trick ? |
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| 18:46.28 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: kmuto is just an installer that uses a newer kernel. |
| 18:46.37 | abrotman | infinity: you could do the install, then get a bpo kernel .. its a little better? |
| 18:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, CutMeOwnThroat hand-made cloning... |
| 18:46.44 | Infin1ty | oh ok |
| 18:46.46 | Infin1ty | thank you!! |
| 18:46.58 | pallgone | man, my flashplugin has been upgraded :( ... I still had the working 64bit version |
| 18:47.10 | abrotman | !tell infinity about kmuto |
| 18:47.12 | xoz | kernel support should not be equivalent to debian support per se |
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| 18:47.22 | abrotman | !tell infinity about bpo |
| 18:47.34 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: you're missing his nick |
| 18:47.42 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: heh |
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| 18:47.46 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Kinda hard to install if the storage controller isn't supported. |
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| 18:47.55 | abrotman | oh ffs, stpid phone :) |
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| 18:47.58 | abrotman | see! |
| 18:48.38 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, don't have any chance of instability installing it? |
| 18:48.51 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, i mean i will have to use the newer kernel since my controller is not supported |
| 18:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: No, it's supported in linux, just might not be in the default stable kernel. |
| 18:49.06 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: thats what kmuto is for? |
| 18:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, only bad thing about it was, that nc doesn't exit when it's finished and you have to wait a bit to see if -v still writes out stuff... also, it seemed to be awfully slow over the network |
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| 18:49.30 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: yeahhh , it is slow |
| 18:49.36 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: There is a newer, stable kernel available, although I don't know if that specific kernel is supported. |
| 18:49.52 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, hmm, so after i install from network it should just be available? yet the installer uses an older kernel? |
| 18:49.54 | abrotman | there is? |
| 18:50.00 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: I mean if that specific controller is supported. |
| 18:50.10 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, hmm, ok, i will check in a vm |
| 18:50.13 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: That's the point of the kmuto installer, it uses a newr kernel. |
| 18:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I think I checked how much the used space increased and compared to the disk it came from... seemed to match roughly |
| 18:50.20 | abrotman | is this for an external server? |
| 18:50.26 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: Remember that the VM can add compatibility problems. |
| 18:50.49 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, ye, just to check if the controller is in the stable kernel :) |
| 18:50.55 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, modprobe -l |
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| 18:53.17 | daidalos | hi. does anybody know if blender, as comes in the debian repositories, can export in mp4 format? |
| 18:53.38 | gnarface | ooh good question |
| 18:53.41 | abrotman | can anything in debian make mp4? |
| 18:53.48 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, it seems to have megaraid_sas so should work, i hope :) |
| 18:53.49 | gnarface | ffmpeg does fine at it |
| 18:53.58 | jelly-home | what _is_ a mp4? |
| 18:54.08 | abrotman | in debian?, i thought it was patent encumbered |
| 18:54.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: debian, dmm, whateva! |
| 18:54.30 | jelly-home | hides |
| 18:54.32 | gnarface | somewhat loosely defined - it's a container format for many video and audio codecs, some of which are patent-encumbered |
| 18:54.38 | abrotman | not *in* debian! |
| 18:54.45 | gnarface | these days it's fashionable to put h.264 in mp4 |
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| 18:55.06 | jelly-home | I thought mkv was the container du jour |
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| 18:55.21 | gnarface | if you're a good linux user you'll support ogg :-p |
| 18:55.45 | gnarface | actually just about everything on the web these days is still freaking flv |
| 18:55.52 | gnarface | but hopefully that will change soon |
| 18:55.53 | daidalos | does youtube accept ogg downloads? |
| 18:56.13 | daidalos | uploads I meant... |
| 18:56.35 | gnarface | i don't know about that, but their html5 player works in iceweasel, which means they must be able to serve ogg at least. |
| 18:56.42 | abrotman | yt accepts some weird formats, it might |
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| 18:56.56 | gnarface | unfortunately their detection software is broken for opera, so even though html5 is fine in opera, no youtube for you! |
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| 18:57.09 | gnarface | still thinks youtube is doing that on purpose |
| 18:57.53 | abrotman | you mean google? :) |
| 18:57.57 | daidalos | what software do you like for video editing? I mean, software coming from the debian repositories, installable via aptitude |
| 18:58.08 | gnarface | yea, google/youtube. all the same |
| 18:58.20 | martin__ | when I say aptitude install linux-image-686, why does update-grub then only find the old kernel (2.6.26), though I can see that aptitude found a new (2.6.30) ? |
| 18:58.33 | abrotman | daidalos: my friend has been raving about kdenlive or something like that |
| 18:58.45 | gnarface | would have an opinion on editing software if he ever did such a thing. ffmpeg suits all the needs i have |
| 18:58.50 | thewanderer1 | martin__: do you have the new kernel installed, actually? |
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| 18:59.11 | martin__ | I have 2.6.26 |
| 18:59.12 | abrotman | and where did you get a .30? |
| 18:59.28 | thewanderer1 | martin__: GRUB finds the kernels that you have installed. |
| 18:59.54 | rozie | martin__: please show dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
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| 19:00.03 | gnarface | abrotman, daidalos how about cinelerra? |
| 19:00.36 | abrotman | daidalos: please dont msg me, keep it in the channel |
| 19:00.40 | thewanderer1 | I've heard that cinerella is powerful yet has an awful interface |
| 19:00.56 | martin__ | rozie: It shows two actually, 2.6-686, and 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:01.08 | abrotman | gnarface: not in debian last iknew |
| 19:01.29 | thewanderer1 | martin__: so how is update-grub supposed to "find" a kernel you don't have? :P |
| 19:01.38 | daidalos | abrotman... didn't intend to msg ... wrong use of my irc client... sorry about that |
| 19:01.51 | abrotman | np |
| 19:01.57 | rozie | martin__: can we have full output? |
| 19:02.16 | martin__ | well I just did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-686, that's why I thought it would install it.. |
| 19:02.27 | simplechat | hey, any reason why nfs wouldn't automount on reboot? |
| 19:02.29 | simplechat | if its in the fstab? |
| 19:02.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, finished... but didn't copy the lib! |
| 19:02.50 | abrotman | tries to mount it before network is up? |
| 19:02.58 | simplechat | its got _netdev |
| 19:03.01 | simplechat | as an option |
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| 19:03.31 | martin__ | rozie: I cannot give the full output right now, gdm is down.. I cannot get it up :( |
| 19:03.39 | martin__ | but how do I install 2.6.30 then? |
| 19:03.52 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:03.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:04.02 | jelly-home | martin__: where did you find 2.6.30-686? |
| 19:04.10 | martin__ | apt-cache search linux-image- |
| 19:04.10 | rozie | install --reinstall linux-image...2.6.30 |
| 19:04.32 | jelly-home | martin__: do an aptitude update. then redo that search. |
| 19:04.41 | ibiri | HI people, anyone help me? I trying modify the parameter in netboot on Base system time? |
| 19:04.45 | ibiri | using anna |
| 19:04.49 | martin__ | jelly-home: hm ok, I'll try |
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| 19:05.04 | jelly-home | martin__: 2.6.30 should not be available any more, .32 ought to however |
| 19:05.08 | ibiri | I want install of specify mirror on my network |
| 19:05.23 | martin__ | jelly-home: hmm after update it looks just the same.. |
| 19:05.37 | abrotman | wtf is anna? |
| 19:05.56 | jelly-home | martin__: can you pastebin the output of that command, and also "apt-cache policy" |
| 19:06.13 | thewanderer1 | thinks ibiri is using Google Translate somehow |
| 19:06.16 | daidalos | have heard of cinelerra, blender, kino. Basicaly I am looking for a simple to use video editing application that is free and included in the debian repositories (just me being obsessed with installing only via aptitude). Blender, kino and cinelerra seem to be good options but I am worried about the codecs that are included in versions available in the debian repositories. |
| 19:06.53 | martin__ | I don't have gdm running.. I'm trying to update, gdm is dead somehow |
| 19:06.55 | thewanderer1 | daidalos: Blender? lol. :P apart from this, don't worry about codecs, you will recode the movie when you finish editing |
| 19:07.00 | thewanderer1 | ffmpeg is your friend |
| 19:07.01 | martin__ | so I cannot pastebin |
| 19:07.14 | ibiri | nothing |
| 19:07.31 | zebradog | daidalos, if you're missing codecs add that multimedia repo |
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| 19:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, it was the -C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:08.04 | jelly-home | !!!! |
| 19:08.04 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 19:08.19 | abrotman | zebradog: he already asked that it be in debian |
| 19:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... that's how I feel (saying: they were intentional) |
| 19:08.47 | metalfoo | Other's would say speaking to bots is a sign of disease. |
| 19:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, -vvv revealed "hiding libc-2.7.so because of global pattern (-C)" or somesuch |
| 19:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh! |
| 19:09.13 | daidalos | zebradog, multimedia repo? |
| 19:09.17 | gnarface | daidalos: there's also film gimp. it's not in debian as far as i know either though :-/ |
| 19:09.30 | zebradog | !tell daidalos about debian-multimedia |
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| 19:09.38 | martin__ | grr now I cannot install anything at all, it want me to apt-get -f install - but that will update udev, which is BAD because the kernel is OLD! :( |
| 19:09.46 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: serves you right |
| 19:10.01 | zebradog | ~tell zebradog about repo |
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| 19:10.06 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: don't understand : -C is hiding some files ? |
| 19:10.12 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: So update the kernel. |
| 19:10.17 | martin__ | but how? |
| 19:10.20 | abrotman | !tell zebradog about selftell |
| 19:10.37 | jhutchins_lt | !tell martin__ about bpo |
| 19:10.40 | abrotman | martin__: it tells you how |
| 19:10.58 | jelly-home | martin__: well. one way is to dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.32-whatever.deb |
| 19:11.15 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: sounds like he might be halfway to squeeze? |
| 19:11.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, -C doesn't copy files that cvs ignores... obviously rsync says that cvs ignores all .so files... so it was _not_ a smart option to choose... |
| 19:11.29 | jelly-home | !confuse jhutchins_lt |
| 19:11.29 | dpkg | Yes, what are my badger today, jhutchins_lt? Breeches of the Monarchy of Mongolia with extra cheese. |
| 19:11.39 | martin__ | abrotman: I'm trying to update to squeeze, yes |
| 19:11.44 | abrotman | see! |
| 19:12.01 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Add the backports repository, install the new kernel with aptitude intall -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5 |
| 19:12.07 | abrotman | no |
| 19:12.07 | xoz | upgrade to squeeze should be trivial... |
| 19:12.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: I worry about the thought process that prompted you to try -C |
| 19:12.21 | abrotman | xoz: udev fuckery .. again |
| 19:12.27 | xoz | abrotman: ouch |
| 19:12.28 | daidalos | good stuff. thank you guys for the video editing tips. Have to go now (baby crying next room, it's my son!) |
| 19:12.32 | martin__ | but isn't the backports lenny (!= squeeze) |
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| 19:12.46 | abrotman | martin__: ignore backports |
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| 19:13.03 | xoz | abrotman: the dependency can't fix that? |
| 19:13.15 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Right, we assumed you wanted a working system. |
| 19:13.28 | abrotman | its weird, but it does tell you how |
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| 19:13.42 | abrotman | !tell martin__ about udev squeeze |
| 19:13.44 | martin__ | this has really been bugging me.. I ruined everything yesterday, re-installed lenny today, and now trying to update to squeeze (I hate running with a year old software packages, gimp, inkscape, open office, ...) |
| 19:13.46 | xoz | martin__: what is the message if you use dpkg --pending --configure |
| 19:14.08 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
| 19:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hehe |
| 19:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, "ooh, so many options possible... shiny"? |
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| 19:14.55 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Just because the base versions on the packages are older doesn't necessarily mean that the debian package is the same age. |
| 19:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Many packages are patched, even though they retain the features and compatibility of the older upstream package. |
| 19:16.30 | mms_ | totem and gnash any one ? |
| 19:16.37 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: I just lack features in programs, that were a long time ago.. amsn is from 2008, come on! I want the new one :P |
| 19:16.43 | mms_ | after installing gnash I tried to close the totem movie player and start it but plugin still dont show gnash. |
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| 19:16.54 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions amsn |
| 19:16.55 | judd | amsn -- etch: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3; lenny: 0.97.2~debian-1; sid: 0.98.3-2; squeeze: 0.98.3-2 |
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| 19:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Use something current like pidgin. |
| 19:17.52 | lxsys | sorry for the noise, but i just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped me earlier and pointed me in the right direction for the backports, i'm now connected using NM and mobile boradband, so again, thankss and sorry for the noise. |
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| 19:18.18 | jelly-home | mmm... boradband. |
| 19:18.31 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: what about gimp, inkscape, 100 other |
| 19:19.12 | martin__ | I'll try the backports thing then.. it's just so frustrating - I do exactly what every web page says, and still.. |
| 19:19.42 | nsadmin | inkscape/gimp for pidgin? |
| 19:20.37 | nsadmin | reviews the scrollback... |
| 19:21.00 | martin__ | xoz: dpkg --pending --configure tells me a lot about libudev being left unconfigured |
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| 19:21.26 | martin__ | because of dependency problems |
| 19:21.26 | xoz | martin__: so that means it will not mess udev ithink ? |
| 19:21.49 | xoz | you can maybe do that command and install the latest kernel? |
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| 19:22.24 | nsadmin | so you got yourself into a situation... |
| 19:22.28 | xoz | martin__: apt-get -f install only prompts you if it notices there are pending configs.... |
| 19:22.48 | martin__ | xoz: ok.. |
| 19:22.53 | xoz | martin__: dpkg --pending --configure addresses that so you can now install |
| 19:23.34 | xoz | martin__: just be careful and double check which files it lists for configure |
| 19:23.57 | nsadmin | martin__: consider the possibility that your hatred of all things old and debian's way of maintaining stability are incompatible with each other |
| 19:23.59 | xoz | martin__: and which files it will remove if it will |
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| 19:25.05 | thewanderer1 | !sns |
| 19:25.05 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 19:25.14 | nsadmin | while debian tries to keep you from tripping over your own... tongue... you're trying to install things from what debian will consider the wrong versioned dist, and... you trip... |
| 19:25.54 | nsadmin | try linux from scratch... |
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| 19:26.01 | nsadmin | then you can do what you want... |
| 19:26.23 | fxiny | why ? it can't beat debian : squeeze frozen yesterday and today a piece of ice larger then a breadbox is sailing towards New York : what a call ! ;P |
| 19:26.27 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: I've been dreaming of compilation errors since I was 4 |
| 19:26.48 | gnarface | gentoo! yay! |
| 19:26.53 | gnarface | melting ram ftw! |
| 19:26.56 | nsadmin | but in the end, after a process of learning that will take a year or so, you might get tired of figuring out breakages |
| 19:27.06 | thewanderer1 | oh, I didn't notice Squeeze was frozen |
| 19:27.12 | nsadmin | and settle on something that keeps breakages in check |
| 19:27.16 | thewanderer1 | good. time to migrate my servers. |
| 19:27.18 | nsadmin | it is? as of when? |
| 19:27.22 | jordanm | thewanderer1: uhh |
| 19:27.31 | thewanderer1 | no, no, I can deal with it :P |
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| 19:27.35 | thewanderer1 | http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 |
| 19:27.50 | xoz | squeeze is quiet stable now. |
| 19:27.54 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 19:27.56 | nsadmin | thewanderer1: that would be considered an idiot move, especially if these servers are for your work |
| 19:28.02 | jordanm | thewanderer1: now is possibly the worst time, unless you are wanting to file bugs. I see on the mailing list everyone is now in a rush to push their new upstream packages |
| 19:28.23 | thewanderer1 | err, it's frozen, so no new features :P |
| 19:28.26 | thewanderer1 | only bugfixes |
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| 19:28.39 | jordanm | thewanderer1: even with the freeze, it seems it will be lenient first week or two. |
| 19:29.02 | nsadmin | when did squeez freez? |
| 19:29.05 | thewanderer1 | oh, okay, I shall wait then |
| 19:29.10 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: see the announcement |
| 19:29.11 | jordanm | thewanderer1: consider subscribing to debian-release@l.d.o |
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| 19:29.22 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: thanks |
| 19:29.22 | jordanm | nsadmin: yesterday at debconf |
| 19:29.28 | gusto | hi |
| 19:29.33 | gusto | ehm |
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| 19:29.50 | gusto | whats a flash player plugin now in squeeze? |
| 19:29.52 | nsadmin | ahh, they wanted to get brownie points so they did it in front of an audience... |
| 19:29.54 | jordanm | thewanderer1: they have "freeze exceptions" |
| 19:29.59 | bocaneri | I've been considering jumping to squeeze but had been holding off (squeeze is said already to be more stable than most other distros) because of security concerns. |
| 19:30.20 | gusto | yes |
| 19:30.28 | gusto | i use squeeze it's very stable |
| 19:30.51 | bocaneri | How long do you suppose it'll be before it's formally released? |
| 19:31.03 | metalfoo | You know Debian? It's done when it's done. |
| 19:31.05 | nsadmin | 9 years maybe |
| 19:31.16 | gusto | it depends |
| 19:31.21 | thewanderer1 | gusto: on amd64, there is none, unless you install the one from debian-multimedia |
| 19:31.25 | gusto | maybe it comes faster then others |
| 19:31.31 | gusto | yes |
| 19:31.33 | thewanderer1 | you "can" use gnash or swfdec, though |
| 19:31.38 | gusto | i have amd64 and debian-multimedia |
| 19:31.39 | thewanderer1 | they "sometimes" work |
| 19:31.41 | metalfoo | gusto: That wouldn't be _such_ a challenge. |
| 19:31.45 | gusto | however, none does work |
| 19:31.47 | xoz | the new debleader is quiet efficient |
| 19:31.56 | thewanderer1 | gusto: flashplayer-mozilla |
| 19:31.59 | bocaneri | It won't be years, but I don't doubt it'll be months :\ |
| 19:32.08 | thewanderer1 | it only works in Iceweasel, no Chromium, though |
| 19:32.14 | nsadmin | who's dpl? |
| 19:32.21 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: when I try the aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-blabla thing you told me, it says that it will remove aptitude.. how can that be good?? |
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| 19:32.47 | slidesinger | How can I tell which version of a package (eg python) is installed? |
| 19:32.59 | nsadmin | slidesinger: dpkg --help |
| 19:33.04 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.11 | slidesinger | Thanks. |
| 19:33.11 | fxiny | apt-cache policy |
| 19:33.13 | xoz | stephano zachirroli from france? |
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| 19:33.42 | metalfoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Project_leaders |
| 19:34.30 | r3m | anybody know a rss reader that display article without clicking on it. I mean a program that display each page like magazine or newspaper |
| 19:34.46 | fxiny | i use rawdog |
| 19:35.05 | r3m | fxiny: thanks! |
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| 19:35.32 | nsadmin | r3m: click browse on packages.debian.org |
| 19:35.48 | fxiny | r3m: one large page , cron runs it for me |
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| 19:36.02 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: when I try to install the lenny-backports thing, it says that there is a dependency problem with the apt-tools.. so it wants to uninstall aptitude.. what should I do then? |
| 19:36.42 | fxiny | r3m: and snownews , cli no mouse |
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| 19:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: I'm sorry but I have no idea what you've done to your system. It sounds like you've done a partial update to squeeze, which would leave the system in a very mixed-up state. |
| 19:38.10 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: My suggestion of using backports applies only to lenny, mixing backports with squeeze would cause the same kind of problems as mixing lenny with squeeze. |
| 19:38.13 | r3m | blogbridge is good? |
| 19:38.18 | jelly-home | martin__: you shouldn't have listened to jhutchins_lt in the first place, he had no ide to what you were doing! |
| 19:38.24 | jelly-home | hides |
| 19:38.24 | pallgone | wow, marble pulls in 80mb of kde-stuff |
| 19:38.33 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: If you've started an update to squeeze, you should go ahead and complete it. |
| 19:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Exactly. |
| 19:38.51 | jelly-home | :-D |
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| 19:39.20 | jhutchins_lt | There shouldn't be too many new bugs now that it's frozen, whatever was recently updated still needs testing and the bugfixes will need testing. |
| 19:39.58 | mms_ | gnash complains could not load movie |
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| 19:41.34 | martin__ | the thing I've done is this: changed sources.list to one for the testing (squeeze), aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude dpkg linux-image-686, then rebooted, and here I am |
| 19:41.34 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: gnash is mostly just a gallant gesture. |
| 19:42.04 | jhutchins_lt | !lenny->squeeze |
| 19:42.19 | martin__ | ... |
| 19:42.25 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: lenny->squeeze? |
| 19:42.25 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 19:42.32 | fxiny | gnash is a pearl swallowing a pig |
| 19:42.34 | martin__ | yes, I followed that |
| 19:43.16 | martin__ | I didn't do the safe-upgrade part, because the new image wasn't installed (still 2.6.26) |
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| 19:44.01 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Right, the new kernel won't be installed until you do the full-upgrade. |
| 19:44.02 | gusto | hm |
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| 19:44.10 | gusto | seems that debian-multimedia does work |
| 19:44.12 | gusto | lets see |
| 19:44.22 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: No idea why that have that linux-image cruft there, it doesn't really apply. |
| 19:44.23 | gusto | thewanderer1: yes, got it |
| 19:44.38 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: hmm okay.. |
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| 19:45.00 | martin__ | then I suppose I'll try safe-upgrade |
| 19:45.40 | mms_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, because of that udev bug... you need the newer kernel before you upgrade udev, else udev fails on the next reboot... |
| 19:45.57 | mms_ | this is error on running gnash on flv |
| 19:46.09 | thewanderer1 | mms_: whatever it says |
| 19:46.11 | jelly-home | mms_: mplayer ought to be able to play a flv container |
| 19:46.24 | thewanderer1 | mms_: by the way Kaffeine or Totem play them I think |
| 19:46.39 | martin__ | what about dist-upgrade, should I do that at any point? |
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| 19:46.44 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: If I've followed correctly, safe-upgrade will do everything but the kernel and udeve and similarly critical stuff, then full-upgrade will do both at once along with whatever's left. |
| 19:46.59 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: dist-upgrade is deprecated. Obsolete. |
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| 19:47.27 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: aha, I was told it was very important (not here though).. good to know then |
| 19:47.28 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: safe-upgrade is just a synonym for previous upgrade, just as full-upgrade is a synonym for dist-upgrade |
| 19:47.47 | martin__ | previous upgrade? |
| 19:48.02 | jelly-home | the old "upgrade" command |
| 19:48.02 | fxiny | etch upgrade |
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| 19:48.07 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: the plain "upgrade" command in etch. |
| 19:48.25 | martin__ | aha.. |
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| 19:49.53 | jelly-home | sigh |
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| 19:52.11 | hexoroid | what does a2ensite does exactly ? |
| 19:52.17 | nsadmin | martin__, used to be, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:52.25 | Ikarus | hexoroid: drop some symlinks into place |
| 19:52.32 | thewanderer1 | hexoroid: it symlinks a site rom sites-available to sites-enabled |
| 19:52.40 | martin__ | nsadmin: ok |
| 19:52.43 | hexoroid | ahhh ok |
| 19:52.46 | hexoroid | makes sense now :) |
| 19:52.55 | jelly-home | hexoroid: symlinks a file from /etc/apache2/sites-available to, er... what they said. |
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| 19:53.11 | martin__ | irssi ruins the history of the other ttys.. bah |
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| 19:53.17 | hexoroid | because i created it in sites-enabled and i was typing that in and it told me that site doesnt exist |
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| 19:53.29 | hexoroid | probabbly because i crated a file in sites-enabled already |
| 19:53.30 | jelly-home | hexoroid: read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian if you haven't |
| 19:53.39 | nsadmin | "other ttys"? |
| 19:53.47 | alcy | directly putting in sites-enabled will work anyway |
| 19:53.55 | martin__ | I run irssi the tty |
| 19:53.59 | jelly-home | hexoroid: aye, you create them in sites-available, and switch them on with a2ensite |
| 19:54.04 | nsadmin | the linux console never saves history once you switch to another |
| 19:54.26 | martin__ | ah, I never noticed that |
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| 19:55.03 | nsadmin | it's been that way since like 1995 |
| 19:55.06 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: BTW you should be using aptitude, not apt-get, for the upgrade. |
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| 19:55.17 | jelly-home | nsadmin: and before that? |
| 19:55.37 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: I always thought apt-get was the new, and aptitude was the old? |
| 19:55.46 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Incorrect. |
| 19:55.50 | nsadmin | before that I was struggling to get linux working on my first pc |
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| 19:56.05 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: dpkg -> dselect -> apt-get -> aptitude |
| 19:56.11 | Chris___ | I've got an external hard drive that I keep on getting a "Read-only file system" error on |
| 19:56.23 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: They all still work, but aptitude has better dependency resolution and installed file tracking. |
| 19:56.40 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: ok.. ubuntu runs with apt-get I think, that's why I thought it was the newest.. |
| 19:57.09 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Mine seem to save history, I can work in multiple consoles and scroll back commands. Once I log out, different matter. |
| 19:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Yet another difference in ubuntu. |
| 19:58.14 | tbsaunde | Chris___: what is in dmesg | tail? |
| 19:58.26 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: history ? bash history ? |
| 19:58.47 | Chris___ | tbsaunde: hfs: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended. mounting read-only. |
| 19:58.50 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: I assume it must be bash history, it allows me to scroll back in commands. |
| 19:59.03 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: no, I meant shift+pageUp |
| 19:59.11 | thewanderer1 | Chris___: HFS? what... |
| 19:59.18 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: The question is if I have two consoles logged in as the same user, which history will be saved? |
| 19:59.38 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: I don't mean the command history, I mean the scroll ability |
| 19:59.40 | Chris___ | thewanderer1: I know, it's a stupid file system, but I have to use it |
| 19:59.52 | tbsaunde | Chris___: then run fsck, doing it with something that can really do hfs is probably best, but fsk.hfsplus may work |
| 19:59.59 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: try .bash_eternal_history from debian-administration |
| 20:00.39 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, that appears to be correct, not something I had noticed before, so it might be a debian thing or might not. |
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| 20:01.42 | Chris___ | tbsaunde: thanks a million. I've been trying to mount that HD for half an hour now.. |
| 20:01.49 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: i use mrxvt , but it can't save anything if i just shut the window down . i get back all history i need in ~/.bash_eternal_history |
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| 20:02.42 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: Not really a problem for me. I prefer to stick as close to stock defaults as possible so that my habits are more portable. |
| 20:03.22 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: There have been days when I've logged in to a couple of hundred different systems. |
| 20:04.05 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: is time bash adds this nice feature then ;) |
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| 20:04.59 | martin__ | now safe-upgrade finished, it encountered errors with libudev0 and some related.. but it did update a lot |
| 20:05.38 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Up to you to read and resolve those errors before you go on, or decide that they will fix themselves. |
| 20:06.06 | nsadmin | I guess dpkg --configure --pending will do nothing; worth a try |
| 20:06.40 | nsadmin | was probably done by the aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 20:07.47 | martin__ | nsadmin: it says there are dependency problems with libudev0, libgudev-1.0-0, libnm-glib2, gstreamer0.10-plugins-base and lifearea |
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| 20:08.52 | alcy | martin__, what's the kernel version now |
| 20:09.07 | martin__ | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:09.08 | moldovean | !squeeze udev |
| 20:09.08 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
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| 20:09.13 | martin__ | I haven't rebooted though |
| 20:09.48 | martin__ | should the kernel version change after aptitude safe-upgrade? |
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| 20:10.07 | jelly-home | martin__: not before the reboot |
| 20:10.16 | martin__ | ok, I'll just reboot then |
| 20:10.31 | jelly-home | martin__: did a newer kernel get installed in the process? |
| 20:10.42 | jhutchins_lt | safe upgrade does not upgrade the kernel. |
| 20:11.31 | martin__ | jelly-home: before I rebooted, I did aptitude install linux-image-686, I don't know if it was installed though |
| 20:11.41 | jelly-home | martin__: dpkg -l linux-image\* |grep ^.i <== pastebin the output of that, please |
| 20:11.48 | martin__ | I cannot pastebin |
| 20:11.54 | martin__ | unless from command line |
| 20:12.02 | xyan | !pastebinit |
| 20:12.02 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728). |
| 20:12.04 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:12.34 | jelly-home | martin__: well then, check that output yourself |
| 20:12.38 | martin__ | but there are dependency problems when I try to install pastebinit |
| 20:12.41 | martin__ | jelly-home: ok |
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| 20:13.18 | gnarface | !versions php5 |
| 20:13.22 | jelly-home | martin__: if the package names are cut off, prepend COLUMNS=200 to the command line |
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| 20:13.50 | martin__ | first line says: |
| 20:14.57 | martin__ | ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1 Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 20:15.04 | martin__ | second line says: |
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| 20:15.25 | jelly-home | martin__: that command lists installed packages. is there any mentioning 2.6.32 version? |
| 20:15.32 | martin__ | ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-21 |
| 20:15.35 | martin__ | jelly-home: nope |
| 20:15.40 | exaboy | hey guys simple bit of help needed here. i need to get an app to start on boot. |
| 20:15.53 | jelly-home | martin__: so you don't have a newer kernel and there's no reason to reboot yet |
| 20:16.03 | exaboy | i symlink the binary to init.d right? |
| 20:16.06 | martin__ | jelly-home: ok |
| 20:16.23 | jelly-home | martin__: install linux-image-686 _now_ |
| 20:16.23 | jhutchins_lt | exaboy: No. |
| 20:16.39 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Shouldn't he just do the full-upgrade? |
| 20:16.53 | jelly-home | martin__: if it works, it should pick up the squeeze kernel. |
| 20:16.56 | martin__ | jelly-home: it comes up with a solution, it asks if I want to accept it |
| 20:17.00 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: That should grab the udev stuff too. |
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| 20:17.17 | martin__ | jelly-home: but there are unresolved dependencies in the solution - should I take it anyways? |
| 20:17.20 | jelly-home | martin__: does the solution include installing linux-image-2.6.32.5-686? |
| 20:17.35 | Gijs | is it possible to get a list of ALL directorys of a directory? so like /home/ /home/user/ /home/user2/ ... |
| 20:17.39 | mosty | exaboy, look at /etc/init.d/skeleton and the update-rc.d manpage |
| 20:17.51 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: ls /home/* |
| 20:17.52 | mosty | gijs: find /start/dir -type d |
| 20:18.05 | kevin009 | greetings. i would like to use debian on my g50v laptop, but the network (eth and wlan) do not work. they do work in ubuntu though. how do i figure out what modules they use in ubuntu to set that up in debian? |
| 20:18.10 | moldovean | jhutchins_lt, /msg dpkg squeeze udev |
| 20:18.12 | martin__ | jelly-home: yes, but it also removes a lot of libraries, python, evolution (??), and so |
| 20:18.33 | martin__ | jelly-home: but it says that 2.6.32 will be installed |
| 20:18.47 | mosty | kevin009, look in dmesg, lspci and lsmod in ubuntu |
| 20:19.10 | jelly-home | martin__: if there're any packages you use directly, tell it to keep them like this: +evolution<ENTER> |
| 20:19.21 | thewanderer1 | kevin009: also, `lsmod` and make a list of what modules are loaded, and compare that (diff?) to Debian's |
| 20:19.21 | fxiny | Gijs: install tree , i use tree to index my dvd |
| 20:19.28 | jelly-home | martin__: libs, python, ignore that stuff |
| 20:19.32 | martin__ | jelly-home: ok |
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| 20:19.45 | kevin009 | eth0: RTL8168c/8111c |
| 20:19.51 | sweetpi | Would Alioth be recommended for new projects or mainly packaging existing projects for debian only? |
| 20:19.57 | martin__ | jelly-home: the thing is, I did aptitude install linux-image-686 before I rebooted and safe-upgraded - was that wrong then? |
| 20:20.00 | thewanderer1 | kevin009: are you using testing? |
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| 20:20.05 | martin__ | jelly-home: cause that's what the bot here says |
| 20:20.18 | kevin009 | thewanderer1: yes |
| 20:20.33 | thewanderer1 | kevin009: then the package you need is `firmware-linux-nonfree` |
| 20:20.42 | kevin009 | thewanderer1: i actually installed debian to an esata drive to test it for a wile |
| 20:20.51 | thewanderer1 | it has the drivers for your card |
| 20:20.57 | xyan | kevin009: firmware-iwlwifi (should be the one for your abgn 5100 intel wifi) |
| 20:21.04 | kevin009 | ok thanks |
| 20:21.13 | fxiny | btw . tree -f /media/cdrom/dvd123/ > greppable_file.txt works like a charm |
| 20:21.15 | jelly-home | martin__: well. That's supposed to install the metapackage which a full-upgrade would then go and upgrade and bring you a newer kernel pulled in with a newer linux-image-686. |
| 20:21.41 | Gijs | thanks! |
| 20:21.47 | Gijs | find /start/dir -type d is perfect :) |
| 20:22.04 | martin__ | jelly-home: hmm ok.. I'll try to accept the solution, and see if the new kernel gets installed then |
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| 20:22.56 | martin__ | jelly-home: hmm, it also says that aptitude will be removed |
| 20:23.16 | jelly-home | martin__: do the + thing |
| 20:23.21 | martin__ | jelly-home: ok |
| 20:23.32 | thewanderer1 | guys, is there a program (find, grep, anything) that browses the filesystem with BFS instead of DFS? |
| 20:23.59 | thewanderer1 | I've had a problem on my server with grep -d recurse, where it would bring the machine down to its knees |
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| 20:24.35 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: the whoel idea of doing a safe-upgrade first doesn't seem smart since there're going to be a lot of dependency shuffling anyway. I usually just do a full-upgrade. |
| 20:25.11 | mosty | thewanderer1, BFS would require a lot more memory, but you could write a small program in most any scripting language to do it |
| 20:25.22 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you can find -maxdepth |
| 20:25.24 | thewanderer1 | mosty: more memory? really? |
| 20:25.46 | thewanderer1 | I thought that DFS was less efficient because of stack usage |
| 20:25.49 | martin__ | jelly-home: ok, now I did it.. should I reboot then? |
| 20:26.32 | jelly-home | martin__: is 2.6.32-5-686 now installed? |
| 20:26.47 | martin__ | it's not shown in the dpkg -l thing |
| 20:27.05 | jelly-home | did you see it get installed? |
| 20:27.30 | mosty | thewanderer1, BFS is exponential in the depth of the graph... |
| 20:28.03 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I think I'd have him go all the way through full-upgrade before he reboots. |
| 20:28.06 | martin__ | jelly-home: I think it installed, but there was a huge list of not configured udev things |
| 20:28.35 | jhutchins_lt | martin__: Do you have a rescue disk? |
| 20:28.37 | jelly-home | martin__: if it's not in dpkg -l linux-image\* |grep ^.i, it's not installed |
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| 20:28.48 | martin__ | jelly-home: It's not there. |
| 20:28.59 | jelly-home | martin__: did it got downloaded, at least? |
| 20:29.09 | thewanderer1 | mosty: but filesystems are usually quite flat you know. well, I assume find -maxdepth and other apps' maxdepth options are what I need |
| 20:29.22 | jelly-home | martin__: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.32*deb |
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| 20:29.27 | martin__ | jhutchins_lt: I don't have anything important on this partition right now |
| 20:29.53 | jelly-home | !tell thewanderer1 about using find |
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| 20:30.31 | martin__ | jelly-home: yes it got downloaded |
| 20:30.34 | thewanderer1 | ok, ok, if I find an option in find for using Dijkstra on symlinks, I'll give jelly-home a pie(chart) |
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| 20:32.28 | mosty | thewanderer1, i normally just use find with -name restricting the types of files i run grep on, eg find /foo -type f -name '*.c' | xargs fgrep $1 searchstring |
| 20:32.32 | jelly-home | martin__: good, install it with dpkg -i /path/to/...deb |
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| 20:33.51 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you're overthinking it. |
| 20:34.11 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: could be |
| 20:34.16 | kevin009 | if I were to "dd" the 10 GB debian partition across to my laptop's 12 GB linux partition, will I still be able to use the 12 GB, or will it be stuck at 10? |
| 20:34.22 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: if grep -r kills your machine, try doing some ionice on it |
| 20:34.39 | Gijs | can i sort this on alphabet ? "find /start/dir -type d" |
| 20:34.41 | jhutchins_lt | kevin009: You will have the same 10g partition. |
| 20:34.42 | thewanderer1 | I did... perhaps it just touched the wrong stuff in /dev |
| 20:34.53 | thewanderer1 | kevin009: you need to resize it |
| 20:34.53 | jelly-home | kevin009: you will be able to resize it if it's ext[234] or xfs |
| 20:34.59 | rozie | kevin009: you need to grow fs |
| 20:35.00 | martin__ | jelly-home: dependency problem, it needs linux base.. |
| 20:35.02 | Infin1ty | i have used mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=2048 --level=5 --raid-devices=8 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 ... /dev/sdh1 , and i get 7 out of 8 devices, why's that? |
| 20:35.11 | jelly-home | martin__: install that thing as well |
| 20:35.25 | jelly-home | martin__: add it to the same command line |
| 20:35.25 | rozie | kevin009: or you can make separate 2 GB partiton |
| 20:35.34 | jhutchins_lt | mumbles about full-upgrade again. |
| 20:35.46 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: er... because raid5 uses a spare? |
| 20:36.12 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: pastebin /proc/mdstat ? |
| 20:36.51 | Gijs | can i sort this on alphabet ? "find /start/dir -type d" |
| 20:37.20 | tbsaunde | Gijs: use sort? |
| 20:37.37 | jelly-home | Gijs: pipe the output to a separate sorting tool, called... sort |
| 20:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what does one use to set/create the partition labels? |
| 20:37.40 | Infin1ty | http://img840.imageshack.us/i/mdstat.png/ this is the /proc/mdstat, sorry but it's a kvm over ip and i can't copy paste :( |
| 20:37.52 | martin__ | jelly-home: I added them, but still it keeps saying that there is dependency errors... |
| 20:38.02 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you mean it can have a spare? |
| 20:38.16 | jelly-home | martin__: what does it complain about? |
| 20:39.16 | martin__ | jelly-home: libapt-pkg-perl.. when I add that, it depends on libuuid.. when I add that, the list of dependencies grows |
| 20:39.33 | Infin1ty | oh i think i got it, because its' in recovery the 8th drive is still not up? |
| 20:39.44 | thewanderer1 | probably |
| 20:39.47 | Infin1ty | ye |
| 20:39.49 | mosty | CutMeOwnThroat, you mean filesystem labels? depends on the fs. e2label for ext2 et al. xfs_admin for xfs, and so on |
| 20:39.49 | thewanderer1 | it is building checksums |
| 20:39.49 | Infin1ty | spare rebuilding :) |
| 20:39.51 | Infin1ty | i'm tried :P |
| 20:39.53 | jelly-home | martin__: hmph. install just the linux- things, using --force-depends |
| 20:39.55 | Infin1ty | tired* |
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| 20:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | mosty, they're not in the partition table? |
| 20:40.12 | martin__ | jelly-home: ok.. |
| 20:40.15 | xoz | yep, force-depends |
| 20:40.51 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: er, no, unless you really mean BSD disklabels |
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| 20:41.00 | thewanderer1 | (this I don't know how works at all) |
| 20:41.27 | mosty | CutMeOwnThroat, i don't think so. fdisk doesn't show them at least |
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| 20:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, are there any other? |
| 20:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | mosty, makes sense, thanks... cfdisk shows them, but cannot change them... found it with this... |
| 20:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hard to search if you start out from wrong assumptions :) |
| 20:42.09 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: if you want to refer to filesystems via labels like /dev/disk/by-label/*, then what you want are filesystem labels, as mosty said |
| 20:42.22 | thewanderer1 | and you won't change them with cfdisk |
| 20:42.40 | thewanderer1 | tune2fs can do that in case of ext* |
| 20:42.55 | Infin1ty | is there a way to install the kernel from backports during the installation? |
| 20:43.04 | martin__ | jelly-home: it cannot finish because of the missing libapt-pkg-perl thing.. |
| 20:43.32 | martin__ | jelly-home: has any one really done this successfully? |
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| 20:44.05 | hdtdi | martin__, what are you trying to do |
| 20:44.16 | tbsaunde | martin__: yeah, a while back but I've upgraded several boxes |
| 20:44.27 | jelly-home | martin__: which package fails? |
| 20:44.56 | jelly-home | martin__: I mean, configuration for which package is failing and referring libapt-pkg-perl? |
| 20:44.58 | martin__ | jelly-home: linux-home fails |
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| 20:45.10 | jelly-home | martin__: wtf is linux-home :-) |
| 20:45.18 | martin__ | jelly-home: linux-base :) |
| 20:45.22 | xoz | martin__: try force-all |
| 20:45.32 | xoz | martin__: and cross your 10 fingers |
| 20:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, that was the plan... |
| 20:45.50 | jelly-home | xoz: NO. |
| 20:46.27 | martin__ | jelly-home: ah wait |
| 20:46.37 | martin__ | jelly-home: there is some package-configuration now |
| 20:46.44 | xoz | why upgrading to squiz becomes a pain |
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| 20:47.50 | martin__ | I heard that arch linux should be good.. :P |
| 20:48.11 | xoz | good is relative |
| 20:48.18 | abrotman | what is martin__ still having probelms with ? |
| 20:48.52 | xoz | abrotman: still the kernel |
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| 20:48.58 | xoz | apparently |
| 20:49.03 | abrotman | did he try what the bot said ? |
| 20:49.04 | jelly-home | I wanted him to install the squeeze kernel before installing udev |
| 20:49.16 | xoz | abrotman: did not i think |
| 20:49.20 | martin__ | abrotman: I did what the bot said, that's the thing |
| 20:49.39 | jelly-home | tbh I stopped you from doing full-upgrade |
| 20:50.00 | martin__ | maybe I should just stick with stable.... after all.. heh :( |
| 20:50.14 | abrotman | martin__: so what is the error now ? |
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| 20:51.15 | mikelifeguard | Are there plans for moving perl 5.12 into unstable? |
| 20:51.36 | martin__ | abrotman: I try to install the kernel using aptitude install linux-image-686, however it didn't install.. now I was guided to install it from the apt cache directory, but then there are dependency problems |
| 20:52.11 | abrotman | pastebin is good? |
| 20:52.21 | abrotman | mikelifeguard: squeeze will not have 5.12, so probably not any time soon |
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| 20:53.08 | abrotman | wtfwifi |
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| 20:55.02 | hello1 | hello |
| 20:55.07 | martin__ | abrotman: I don't want to install pastebinit right now, because then it comes up with a 'solution' where aptitude (and more) gets removed |
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| 20:55.20 | hello1 | is there any download accelertor ? |
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| 20:55.28 | abrotman | martin__: aptitude -f install .. what's the error ? |
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| 20:56.28 | martin__ | abrotman: a lot of dependency issues, I cannot even scroll that far back to see it all |
| 20:56.41 | abrotman | to install or remove? |
| 20:56.44 | martin__ | of course I can accept the solution it offers me.. |
| 20:57.01 | martin__ | to aptitude -f install |
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| 20:57.14 | abrotman | yes .. is it trying to remove stuff or install stuff ? |
| 20:58.35 | martin__ | abrotman: this will be removed: cups, libapt-pkg-perl, linux-image-2.6.32-686, linux-base |
| 20:58.49 | abrotman | say 'n', what does the next one say ? |
| 20:59.20 | martin__ | abrotman: the cups won't be removed, the others will still be removed |
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| 20:59.42 | abrotman | martin__: hit ctrl-c, try `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` .. what does that say ? |
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| 21:00.38 | davetoo | Anybody on here running a 3ware 9650? 3ware docs claim that it should be supported in kernel > 2.6.19, but this Lenny (5.0.4) install can't see it. |
| 21:00.55 | davetoo | I tried 3ware's installer ISO, that didn't work |
| 21:00.59 | martin__ | abrotman: then it wants to remove gnome-desktop-environment, gnome-mount, libgnome something, python something |
| 21:01.10 | abrotman | martin__: more acceptable for now ? |
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| 21:01.43 | martin__ | abrotman: I could try :) |
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| 21:04.25 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 21:04.25 | dpkg | <zhangsha> is there System for analysis of financial markets with debian? <petemc> anything that can plot a graph at a downward angle should work |
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| 21:08.23 | davetoo | Is it possible that the 3ware driver was excluded/removed from Debian because of this: Copyright (C) 1999-2010 3ware Inc. |
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| 21:10.43 | icebrain | davetoo: all code in Debian has copyright... |
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| 21:11.46 | abrotman | davetoo: did it have firmware? |
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| 21:12.20 | davetoo | ? |
| 21:12.35 | abrotman | the driver? does it require firmware? |
| 21:12.50 | davetoo | I don't know |
| 21:12.56 | jelly-home | 3ware doesn't afair |
| 21:13.42 | abrotman | i didn't think so either |
| 21:14.03 | davetoo | I don't see anything in the dmesg output that indicate it was probed |
| 21:14.33 | davetoo | but ... I'd been using it under VMWare (same hardware/box) for a couple of months, so I know the hardware is OK. |
| 21:15.39 | gnarface | vmware might have been emulating some other hardware for you? |
| 21:15.45 | davetoo | at any rate, I'm doing a reinstall with the official ISO rather than 3ware's. |
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| 21:16.21 | davetoo | gnarface: I don't think so; I used an official 3ware VMWare driver during the install |
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| 21:18.46 | gnarface | don't suppose it's ne2k compliant? |
| 21:18.50 | gnarface | :-D |
| 21:19.22 | davetoo | isn't that a NIC driver? |
| 21:19.37 | gnarface | oh sorry we're not talking about nic drivers are we? |
| 21:19.56 | gnarface | i've been awake too long |
| 21:20.00 | gnarface | i'll refrain from trying to help |
| 21:20.02 | davetoo | RAID |
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| 21:22.12 | smv | does anyone know what's wrong with the totem youtube plugin? it's been broken in my sid for a few months by now... |
| 21:22.28 | jelly-home | too bad I can't find a linux machine with 3ware online, most were given to windows people |
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| 21:22.57 | brokendatapoint | hi, i am running a netbook with the Intel Atom N450 Cpu which is 64 bit capable, what install arch is this? |
| 21:23.02 | thewanderer1 | amd64 |
| 21:23.10 | abrotman | brokendatapoint: amd64 or i386 |
| 21:23.34 | jelly-home | brokendatapoint: i386! |
| 21:23.42 | OpenTokix | brokendatapoint: unless you have more then 4G of ram, go for i386 since plugins for firefox and such wanna use 32bit usually |
| 21:23.43 | brokendatapoint | abrotman: hi dude, how's things? thanks, so i can go 32 or 64 bit? |
| 21:23.49 | jelly-home | 64bit OSes are overrated |
| 21:24.03 | thewanderer1 | for desktops? maybe |
| 21:24.05 | abrotman | yes, either one would work .. but in general, i386 is less problematic if you want to use 3rd party stuff |
| 21:24.05 | brokendatapoint | OpenTokix: ah k only has onboard 2gb |
| 21:24.24 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: either that, or it's just the vendors holding back progress |
| 21:24.31 | abrotman | OpenTokix: you can address more than 4GB with i386 |
| 21:24.38 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it's a frakkin netbook |
| 21:24.41 | OpenTokix | brokendatapoint: then go for 32bit |
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| 21:24.46 | DDRP | Use the -bigmem kernel if you have > 4 GB RAM, not a different arch necessarily |
| 21:24.46 | OpenTokix | abrotman: yes, I know - but it sucks and it slow as hell |
| 21:24.52 | brokendatapoint | abrotman: excellent ... every time i pop in, you are here, have been on this channel for a long time |
| 21:24.57 | jelly-home | DDRP: or a -amd64 kernel |
| 21:25.07 | abrotman | OpenTokix: really not that slow, it's not a huge performance hit |
| 21:25.14 | abrotman | brokendatapoint: i'm sorry! |
| 21:25.21 | OpenTokix | abrotman: but a performance hit. - and no single process can usemore then 2G |
| 21:25.23 | DDRP | Yeah you could do that, and still use a 32-bit userland |
| 21:25.41 | brokendatapoint | abrotman: haha, nah is cool, great commitment to the community |
| 21:25.48 | abrotman | OpenTokix: yeah, but it is possible .. not everyone needs 64bit if they have more than 4GB |
| 21:25.58 | jelly-home | he's committed alright |
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| 21:26.05 | brokendatapoint | jelly-home: haha |
| 21:26.14 | OpenTokix | abrotman: Always special cases |
| 21:26.28 | martin__ | jelly-home: it seems to be working now, I got the 2.6.32 kernel installed at last :) |
| 21:26.34 | DDRP | By the way the per-process limit is 3 GB, 1 GB reserved for kernel address space, not 2 GB |
| 21:26.39 | abrotman | martin__: so your full-upgrade is done ? |
| 21:26.42 | martin__ | jelly-home: so thanks a lot for the help |
| 21:26.52 | martin__ | abrotman: thanks to you too :D |
| 21:27.01 | jelly-home | martin__: you could try rebooting and installing back all the gnome stuffs that got removed |
| 21:27.42 | jelly-home | martin__: make sure you reboot into the new kernel; before that, make sure it's listed in the boot loader configuration |
| 21:27.49 | martin__ | jelly-home: I found a solution where it kept the gnome-stuff |
| 21:27.56 | jelly-home | yay |
| 21:27.56 | martin__ | I did update-grub |
| 21:28.00 | martin__ | :D |
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| 21:28.01 | jelly-home | gut |
| 21:28.19 | jelly-home | cross fingers, then |
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| 21:32.17 | davetoo | <-- dumbass, looking at wrong model number. I have a 9750, not 9650. I need kernel 2.6.33+ |
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| 21:33.16 | zebradog | davetoo, dumbass says what a dumbass does.. forestgump can do better than that :D |
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| 21:36.01 | davetoo | so now I need to figure out how to build the kernel :)_ |
| 21:36.34 | dvs | davetoo, brick by brick |
| 21:36.49 | abrotman | is it for an externally facing server? |
| 21:37.07 | davetoo | abrotman: are you asking me? |
| 21:37.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:37.19 | davetoo | no, |
| 21:37.31 | abrotman | !tell davetoo about kmuto |
| 21:37.38 | davetoo | internal (home) postgreSQL box |
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| 21:38.29 | davetoo | I don't see later than 2.6.32; vendor says 2.6.33+ |
| 21:38.55 | abrotman | oh, crap |
| 21:39.28 | dvs | someone need to wake kenshi up. ;-) |
| 21:39.37 | davetoo | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=f619106bdd9d197c947f07108af57946f19a7f7e |
| 21:39.40 | abrotman | and squeeze has a .32 also, but it might have backported the driver |
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| 21:39.42 | davetoo | module 3w-sas |
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| 21:39.49 | abrotman | davetoo: do you know the name of the driver, or the config option ? |
| 21:39.59 | davetoo | 3w-sas :) |
| 21:40.16 | abrotman | well, the squeeze kernel has it |
| 21:40.29 | abrotman | davetoo: i386 or amd64? |
| 21:40.33 | davetoo | amd |
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| 21:40.53 | brokendatapoint | is there a defaul app on Debian 505 that will allow the formatting of a usb drive? refer CLI tool |
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| 21:41.08 | abrotman | like .. mkfs ? |
| 21:41.15 | davetoo | I think I can afford to try squeeze; this is just personal stuff |
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| 21:41.36 | brokendatapoint | hmm, lots of google hits say to use dd? |
| 21:41.42 | abrotman | lovely, no amd64 isos |
| 21:42.05 | foetus | hello, debian folks. |
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| 21:42.19 | brokendatapoint | foetus: er nice nick |
| 21:42.29 | abrotman | davetoo: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ .. that's where it should be |
| 21:42.41 | foetus | brokendatapoint: indeed :) |
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| 21:43.07 | skinder | hello. if ifconfig/iwconfig don't see my wireless network controller, what must i do to make this thing working? |
| 21:43.23 | abrotman | skinder: install the driver? |
| 21:43.27 | amphi | skinder: what does lspci say about it? |
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| 21:43.44 | skinder | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:423c] |
| 21:44.03 | skinder | i think this is it |
| 21:44.19 | xyan | judd: pciid 8086:423c |
| 21:44.21 | abrotman | skinder: does the wired network work ? |
| 21:44.22 | judd | [8086:423c] is 'WiMAX/WiFi Link 5150' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:423c http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 21:44.31 | skinder | abrotman: yes |
| 21:44.36 | foetus | btw, problem with no-login as user solved, it was been a weird tar issue..switched to lenny finally. |
| 21:44.44 | abrotman | skinder: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:45.00 | davetoo | abrotman: there's a weekly snap |
| 21:45.05 | davetoo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:45.06 | abrotman | skinder: when it's done, modprobe -r iwlagn;modprobe iwlagn |
| 21:45.18 | foetus | chmod 755 / does it. |
| 21:45.43 | foetus | *did |
| 21:45.45 | skinder | FATAL: Module iwlagn not found. << i must install it? =_='' |
| 21:45.55 | abrotman | skinder: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 21:46.03 | skinder | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 21:46.26 | abrotman | oh, you'll have to install the bpo kernel or migrate to squeeze |
| 21:46.41 | brokendatapoint | is bored out of his gourd... |
| 21:46.44 | skinder | uhh. |
| 21:46.51 | abrotman | !tell skinder about bpo |
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| 21:47.24 | martin__ | when using aptitude, what does {a} and {u} after a package name indicate? |
| 21:47.30 | skinder | hmm. thanks |
| 21:48.35 | abrotman | martin__: auto, upgrade IIRC, it's in the very fine manual |
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| 21:50.30 | martin__ | abrotman: thanks.. I'll go read it |
| 21:50.37 | OpenTokix | Can't wait to upgrade to squeeze now when its frozen - tobad im on vacation =) |
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| 21:51.58 | kevin009 | i installed firmware-linux-nonfree, but the realtek eth0 still does not work. the module i'm using in ubuntu is r8169 |
| 21:52.19 | kevin009 | any other ideas? |
| 21:52.39 | abrotman | what is your current kernel? what is the device PCI ID? |
| 21:52.57 | kevin009 | current kernel is 2.6.32-5-686, but i plan to install bigmem |
| 21:53.17 | kevin009 | not sure about pci id |
| 21:53.29 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 21:53.50 | jhutchins_lt | !r8169 |
| 21:53.50 | dpkg | [r8169] the Realtek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. Several r8169 bugs were corrected in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21. A MDIO timing issue affecting DHCP operation (Debian bug #583139) was fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.26-24, ask me about <5.0.5>. |
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| 21:55.33 | kevin009 | i think my problem is related to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561309 |
| 21:55.46 | kevin009 | seems some firmware was removed from this kernel that is in testing |
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| 22:02.07 | tbsaunde | a4/win 10 |
| 22:02.36 | abrotman | close |
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| 22:04.09 | skinder | i just need a new kernel, right? |
| 22:04.45 | dvs | skinder, http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn has a good description of what to do |
| 22:05.37 | skinder | thanks. |
| 22:05.42 | dvs | np |
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| 22:15.33 | sun | hi i compiled my program (takes 5+ hrs to run) and now i want to recompile with different params and launch it on another machine... but if the compiler overwrites to the file that's currently running, will that mess up the current run? does the os load a copy of the program into memory or somwhere else, or does the fs keep a duplicate when the executable is in use? |
| 22:17.58 | dkr | so I got street view to work again in iceweasel by adding maps.google.com to the flashblock whitelist. previously i used to just have to click on the flashblock play icon as usual to get street view but some change a few weeks ago broke it |
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| 22:22.10 | zebradog | dkr, so delete all flash cache, (google macromedia global flash settings) |
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| 22:24.23 | brokendatapoint | should k3b be able to send an .iso to a usb drive? |
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| 22:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | why should it? |
| 22:27.07 | brokendatapoint | CutMeOwnThroat: that was a question? so what is the other way to copy an .iso to a usb? dd? |
| 22:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mount it via loop and copy the files? |
| 22:27.50 | brokendatapoint | k |
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| 22:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I wonder what happens if you just put it on the stick with dd... |
| 22:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could try for curiosity |
| 22:29.19 | foetus | better not :) |
| 22:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but afaik, cd organization/filesystem are too different from that of regular hds (even if they are "simulated regular") to get anything useful |
| 22:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | foetus, well, anything that would work would be surprising and fun :) |
| 22:30.27 | foetus | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
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| 22:32.16 | xyan | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah wont work with a plain iso, however theres a hybrid-iso format which can be dd'ed onto a usb stick as well as it can be burned on a regular cd/dvd |
| 22:32.51 | tbsaunde | CutMeOwnThroat: I think that works if you replace isolinux stuff with syslinux stuff so mv isolinx syslinux and the rest |
| 22:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | tbsaunde, we were talking about writing the iso to the raw device! |
| 22:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think you'd even see files |
| 22:34.54 | tbsaunde | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, sorry, I'm out of it :p |
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| 22:36.24 | Destructor | howto change qt version to qt3 from qt4 ? |
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| 22:41.38 | hexoroid | quick question in my domain config i made domain.com how can i define also that www.domain.com goes to the page also because it just reads regular index.html thats in /var/www i want it to read also from /var/www/domain.com/htdocs |
| 22:42.09 | SplineZ | /server irc.efnet.org |
| 22:42.17 | SplineZ | Lol this thing sucks |
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| 22:42.28 | davetoo | that sounds like an Apache config question |
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| 22:43.02 | hexoroid | dont know i pointed DNS and all to the ip but it only reads domain.com not www.domain.com dont know why |
| 22:44.59 | peterrooney | hexoroid: my thought is that if you haven't defined www.domain.com in your DNS (as either a CNAME or A entry), a browser can't access it. |
| 22:45.03 | dkr | heh, this message is great: "If you do not understand this message, or if you do not have any custom boot menu entries, you can ignore this message." |
| 22:45.35 | peterrooney | dkr: that sounds informational, not errorish |
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| 22:46.29 | dkr | peterrooney: I only meant to indicate that it made me chuckle - nothing else. :) |
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| 22:47.45 | sweetpi | hexoroid: if you have a VirtualHost entry for domain.com, you need to add a ServerAlias to it for www.domain.com or *.domain.com |
| 22:47.55 | hexoroid | oh ok |
| 22:48.01 | hexoroid | thanks thats the answer i was looking for ;) |
| 22:48.46 | ScottG | I recently messed up trying to change from having /boot on a separate partition to just mounting / and using it's /boot directory. While I was trying to fix things I decided to just stick with having /boot on a separate partition. Right now sda1 is what mounts on /boot and sda6 is /. sda1 is bootable according to fdisk and sda6 is not. However, somehow the kernels that are in /boot on sda6 are being booted up and not the ones in s |
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| 22:49.27 | nme | /server ? |
| 22:49.52 | ScottG | nme: Was that for me? |
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| 22:50.37 | nme | Can i connect to a nother server typing /server? |
| 22:50.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:51.10 | nme | /server irc.TDC.dk |
| 22:51.19 | nme | Nope |
| 22:51.26 | abrotman | which irc client? |
| 22:51.53 | nme | Some iPhone app |
| 22:51.54 | nme | :( |
| 22:51.59 | xyan | ScottG: did you mount /boot and ran update-grub? |
| 22:53.00 | abrotman | nme: then ask them how it works, it may not support /server |
| 22:53.15 | nme | trying to change server |
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| 22:54.09 | nme | /msg abrotman might be true :( |
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| 22:54.25 | nme | Thx |
| 22:54.34 | abrotman | or doesn't support any / actions |
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| 22:55.14 | nme | This is bad!! Im trying a new one. |
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| 22:55.38 | nme | Thx A! |
| 22:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it alled "telnet" by any chance? |
| 22:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 22:56.13 | sweetpi | no, it must be iTelnet |
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| 22:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, stupid me,.... I should have figured that |
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| 22:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | me iSlaps his forehead |
| 22:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | or iTouches it at iLeast |
| 22:56.56 | sweetpi | hehe |
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| 22:57.07 | dvs | iPoke him |
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| 22:58.22 | bolt | PRIVMSG #debian "telnet rules" |
| 22:58.24 | bolt | no wait... |
| 22:58.43 | ScottG | xyan: Yea that might be the issue. But when I was doing all that stuff I messed something up. I was actually about to do a reinstall and booted one last time and my system worked |
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| 22:59.09 | ScottG | xyan: Not sure how. I just don't get how it could load that kernel if the partition it's on isn't flagged as bootable |
| 22:59.40 | ScottG | xyan: And I am a little scare that running update-grub may mess something up and I will be left with a unbootable computer like I was for 2 days before |
| 22:59.59 | DDRP | Many distros don't make obvious to users that /boot needs to be bootable |
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| 23:00.01 | xyan | ScottG: the bootable flag isnt important for linux at all, do you have os-prober installed which autodetects kernels? |
| 23:00.36 | xyan | DDRP: why should it? |
| 23:00.45 | DDRP | Well from the BIOS point of view, it needs to be bootable |
| 23:01.03 | ScottG | xyan: Oh right, it's just important for grub....so grub on the partition with the 35's is running the 32 kernels. Hm. And no, I don't have an OS prober as far as I know |
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| 23:01.36 | sweetpi | Would Alioth be recommended for new projects or mainly packaging existing projects for debian only? |
| 23:01.46 | xyan | DDRP: you tell the bios which device to boot from and it doesnt care if there is a bootable marked partition at all |
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| 23:02.35 | DDRP | So the boot sector code uses said flag? |
| 23:02.47 | zebradog | wants to say multi-OS linux installations: only 1 swap partition needed, same swap partition can be re-used on other linux distro boots |
| 23:02.49 | xyan | dos bootloaders used to grub doesnt afaik |
| 23:03.43 | xyan | ScottG: pastebin your grub.cfg or menu.lst |
| 23:03.45 | metalfoo | zebradog: what an insight. Congratulations. Didn't think that - especially because the swap stores data in offline mode .... |
| 23:04.02 | ScottG | xyan: Sure |
| 23:04.11 | zebradog | metalfoo, live/rescue cd's would use it too .. |
| 23:04.45 | metalfoo | Even FreeBSD can. But psssst. Don't tell around! |
| 23:05.03 | zebradog | metalfoo, not much of an insight.. some don't know about it.. and make like 3 swap partition for 3 different linux installs |
| 23:05.27 | metalfoo | You may excuse my sarcasm, but what do you think is swap used for? |
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| 23:08.36 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I can no longer click on things... My mouse moves fine, keyboard control works fine but clicking the mouse does nothing.... I tried unplugging and plugging my mouse but that did not help. I even tried a different mouse. I am using Debian Squeeze with KDE 4. And idea's on how to make clicking work again? |
| 23:08.36 | zebradog | metalfoo, it's okay to make mistakes. There's nothing wrong about, don't take the rough edge of the stick.. |
| 23:09.48 | zebradog | Gokee2, funny.. just today my mouse cable got loose and had to plug it in another port :) |
| 23:10.35 | Gokee2 | zebradog: At least your mouse worked after that! :) |
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| 23:10.47 | crawL0 | hey |
| 23:10.57 | Gokee2 | This is odd xev does not notice the mouse moving across its window |
| 23:11.00 | nsadmin | hay |
| 23:11.14 | Gokee2 | Its like I have a ghost mouse..... |
| 23:11.20 | ScottG | xyan: Ok got 3 links for you. All are grub.conf's. First is from sda6, second is from sda1, last is a diff of them (sda1 mounts on /boot, btw, sda6 is root which has a /boot dir) |
| 23:11.35 | Gokee2 | does not really want to restart x |
| 23:11.40 | ScottG | xyan: http://pastebin.com/CUEg8Tsu http://pastebin.com/hdp2Vcax http://pastebin.com/xsKSiD0F |
| 23:11.50 | crawL0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.57 | crawL0 | after a fresh netinstall |
| 23:12.00 | zebradog | ScottG, how many distros you have installed there? you say sda1 and sda6 is "/boot" |
| 23:12.04 | crawL0 | how to get make? |
| 23:12.06 | Gokee2 | Is there any way to reload the mouse drivers? |
| 23:12.21 | ScottG | zebradog: sda1 mounts on /boot. sda6 mounts on / |
| 23:12.25 | petemc | crawL0: aptitude install make, tho you probably want aptitude install build-essential |
| 23:12.37 | ScottG | zebradog: / contains a dir called /boot |
| 23:12.41 | abrotman | Gokee2: tried restarting X ? |
| 23:13.07 | ScottG | zebradog: Go make a directory, put a file in it called "a", then go mount something on that directory you made and put a file in it called b |
| 23:13.08 | zebradog | is confused |
| 23:13.24 | Gokee2 | abrotman: Not yet... I have a lot of windows open many of them with unsaved stuff on other desktops.... |
| 23:13.35 | ScottG | zebradog: then do ls mydir && umount mydir && ls mydir |
| 23:13.36 | xyan | ScottG: i suggest you umount /boot (sda1) and move out the stuff that resides on your root partitions /boot directory, after that remount /boot and rerun grub-install /dev/sda and update-grub |
| 23:13.46 | nsadmin | zebradog might know about dirs and mounting :) |
| 23:13.48 | abrotman | Gokee2: can you unload/reload X modules/drivers? |
| 23:14.01 | crawL0 | petemc: works thanks. I was wondering, because I thought it's default |
| 23:14.05 | ScottG | zebradog: That same directory will "appear" two have 2 different files in it |
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| 23:14.19 | zebradog | ScottG, i'm asking how many linux installations are on that drive? |
| 23:14.25 | petemc | crawL0: not everyone needs or wants to compile software |
| 23:14.25 | ScottG | zebradog: Just 1 |
| 23:14.44 | Gokee2 | abrotman: Sure I guess I forget what module is used for mouse, let me go look see if I can find it |
| 23:14.50 | zebradog | ScottG, then why did you post grub twice ? :) |
| 23:14.52 | abrotman | mouse? |
| 23:14.57 | ScottG | xyan: Will do. I'm going to look over that diff later too. I feel like that is the key to determining what was going on |
| 23:15.14 | ScottG | zebradog: Two different grub.conf's for the reason I just explained |
| 23:15.28 | ScottG | zebradog: those would be your "a" and "b" files in my example |
| 23:15.55 | ScottG | xyan: Heading out now, thanks for the help! |
| 23:16.22 | zebradog | ScottG, you have "/boot" as a mountpoint or not? that's what i'm understanding from xyan |
| 23:17.04 | zebradog | ScottG, (no sarcasm), a directory that's mounted is called a mountpoint.. makes it easier to pass the clarity :) |
| 23:17.34 | xyan | zebradog: he has a separate boot partition and /boot inide the root partition both containing a grub2 installation, now he wants to switch back to have /boot on the rootfs but grub boots from the separate partition |
| 23:18.04 | Gokee2 | abrotman: I don't have any module loaded called mouse, and I don't see anything in the list that looks like it has to do with mice... Perhaps its under usbcore or something? |
| 23:18.06 | zebradog | xyan, grub tries to boot from some offset.. he has to update the bootcode... |
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| 23:18.17 | abrotman | Gokee2: not a kernel module |
| 23:18.21 | xyan | i told him to rerun grub-install |
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| 23:19.01 | zebradog | xyan, he can easily do that by rebooting with the debian live cd, have it go to rescue mode, then try grub-install <param> |
| 23:19.06 | Gokee2 | abrotman: Hmm... How would I reload it then? |
| 23:19.09 | zebradog | or debian rescue cd whatever |
| 23:19.19 | zebradog | says rescue mode should be avail on install cd |
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| 23:19.54 | xyan | zebradog: why so complicated he can boot move the boot files he doesnt want out of the way and do that in place.. |
| 23:19.58 | nsadmin | well the grub boot sector acts like lilo... a sector list is embedded in the boot code on the sector which is used to locate the next thing to boot |
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| 23:20.03 | abrotman | Gokee2: considered the mouse is physically broken ? |
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| 23:21.03 | Gokee2 | abrotman: Ya, I tried a 2nd mouse and it does the same thing, also when I move the curser over xev is should show the mouse movement but it does not |
| 23:21.34 | abrotman | okay, not a clue .. that's just weird |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | maybe ask #xorg ? |
| 23:21.38 | Gokee2 | abrotman: Also /dev/psaux shows clicking just fine |
| 23:21.44 | zebradog | xyan, say /boot is a mountpoint, /bootQ can retain the files (mv /boot/* /bootQ), then see if /boot is empty, then unmount /boot, then rename /bootQ to /boot, then update fstab.. check to see what device is "/", then update grubconf(config file), then update grub bootcode |
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| 23:21.50 | zebradog | hehe |
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| 23:22.27 | xyan | zebradog: dont tell me its not me having problems with grub, and yes thats what i suggested earlier xD |
| 23:22.58 | zebradog | xyan, i know.. just in case he asks if he has to change something in his grub conf, which he likely would have to |
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| 23:23.39 | zebradog | xyan, it's not that complicated, true... |
| 23:23.40 | xyan | zebradog: thats why we love magic... update-grub lol |
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| 23:26.18 | foetus | ok. lets go to bed. bye |
| 23:26.59 | Gokee2 | Arg, I am just gonna restart x |
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| 23:27.29 | zebradog | Gokee2, no need to restart x.. it should be able to autopick it up.. |
| 23:27.36 | zebradog | Gokee2, (/etc/init.d/gdm restart) |
| 23:27.41 | zebradog | if you really wanna |
| 23:27.46 | zebradog | sure go ahead... |
| 23:28.03 | zebradog | uses kdm sinfulness on a cheap system |
| 23:28.14 | nsadmin | maybe run irssi on /dev/tty2 |
| 23:28.16 | zebradog | yeah there are kde whores here |
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| 23:30.44 | Gokee2 | zebradog: Hmm? Why would restarting gdm fix it? I just finished restarting X and clicking works again :) |
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| 23:31.01 | cast | it stops here and now! |
| 23:31.05 | abrotman | restarting GDM does restart X |
| 23:32.24 | zebradog | Gokee2, good :) |
| 23:32.34 | zebradog | Gokee2, you were asking about restarting x.. |
| 23:32.44 | DDRP | What do you lot think of Donald Knuth? |
| 23:33.22 | zebradog | DDRP, he's given us lex.. why, you have something against him? |
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| 23:33.49 | zebradog | tex |
| 23:33.50 | Arrowmaster | Gokee2: do you have your mouse listed in xorg.conf or are you letting it autodetect like default? |
| 23:33.53 | zebradog | texlexhex |
| 23:34.09 | zebradog | can't stop thinging about all the *ex names in existence |
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| 23:36.04 | DDRP | zebradog: On the contary, I rexpect him... mainly because he is a hermit and makes his secretary read all his mail =D |
| 23:36.10 | DDRP | *respect |
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