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| 00:16.16 | rares | does icedove allow retrieving base64 photos from messages sent with mobile phones? |
| 00:16.35 | rares | evolution and gmail both seem to fail |
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| 00:18.42 | zebradog | rares, try thunderbird.. |
| 00:19.11 | Arrowmaster | that is icedove |
| 00:19.43 | zebradog | oh ya hahaha and i use it too! |
| 00:19.50 | zebradog | oops |
| 00:20.10 | zebradog | rares, send me a base64 to my email address -> onegianttooth@yahoo.ca |
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| 00:23.27 | zebradog | rares, that's my spammail, so anyone is free to test it :) hehehe |
| 00:23.51 | zebradog | reckons rares is afraid of one giant tooth |
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| 00:27.20 | brokendatapoint | messing with looping an .iso to a usb_drive ... does the usb_drive *need* a FS before the .iso is transfered? |
| 00:28.01 | metalfoo | What do you think is an ISO? It contains the file system to be written to the drive anyway. |
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| 00:31.42 | brokendatapoint | metalfoo: gulps and feels bad... |
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| 00:32.13 | brokendatapoint | metalfoo: i mean i do, anyway, i am about to microwave this usb drive, cheers |
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| 00:34.14 | dondelelcaro | brokendatapoint: if you're installing Debian, you just copy the iso as a file in the filesystem on the usb key; you don't unpack it or write it directly |
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| 00:36.08 | brokendatapoint | dondelelcaro: so mount loop the iso directly? ahhh |
| 00:36.15 | brokendatapoint | hitself in head |
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| 00:37.31 | dondelelcaro | brokendatapoint: you've got to read the install guide a bit carefully |
| 00:38.41 | brokendatapoint | k thanks |
| 00:39.23 | dondelelcaro | (though I must admit, I did make that mistake the very first time myself) |
| 00:39.50 | streuner | argh, you are very poor guy |
| 00:40.16 | streuner | are you able to imagine how many mistakes i made? :-P |
| 00:40.47 | moldovean | no way to rewrite that chapter a bit better ? |
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| 00:41.18 | moldovean | to many ppl complain about it .. |
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| 00:42.54 | streuner | to make sure, there is no misunterstood? feel free to reach :-P |
| 00:43.04 | streuner | and good luck |
| 00:43.15 | moldovean | we can't |
| 00:43.27 | moldovean | it's not a wiki or so |
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| 00:59.14 | peterrooney | so, why is it that bulletin emails from security say to use apt-get instead of aptitude? |
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| 01:27.46 | Gokee2 | Arrowmaster, Sorry forgot about the chat window :) I have a section in xorg about the mouse with protocol auto and a few other things like buttons and mapping |
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| 01:28.34 | Arrowmaster | try commenting it all out |
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| 01:36.08 | User_007 | does anyone know what will be the next testing codename? (after squeeze) |
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| 01:36.50 | dondelelcaro | User_007: it hasn't been decided yet |
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| 01:44.08 | p3rror | helo |
| 01:44.24 | p3rror | is there any tuto on how to setup ipsec on debian ? |
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| 01:46.36 | User_007 | dondelelcaro, what are the candidates? |
| 01:46.56 | aPpYe | is /etc/rc.local the recommended place to put startup items for debian? basically, I put a call to another scipt (with an '&' at the end of the line) that makes a reverse ssh connection to my server. |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | User_007: the characters that haven't been used yet |
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| 01:48.01 | User_007 | abrotman, they are all in the running? |
| 01:48.22 | p3rror | aPpYe, yes |
| 01:48.24 | dondelelcaro | User_007: except for RC Buggy, yes |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | User_007: probably the ones from TS1 i would imagine, i don't think they're thinking to use names from TS2 yet |
| 01:48.52 | p3rror | aPpYe, and basically you may add an entry to your /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:49.09 | dondelelcaro | the RMs decide on the name for the next release close to the time we release |
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| 01:49.40 | p3rror | aPpYe, you can take look at your scripts in /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:49.46 | aPpYe | p3rror: how to do that? |
| 01:50.08 | p3rror | how to do what ? |
| 01:50.39 | p3rror | aPpYe, ask here got to go |
| 01:50.44 | p3rror | see ya later inch |
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| 01:51.18 | aPpYe | I a bunch of scripts in init.d. I have become more used to everything being under /etc/rc.d in archlinux. |
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| 01:53.27 | aPpYe | but putting things in /etc/rc.local seems to be working for me. I just want to make sure that it will continue to work that way for the forseeable future, or if I am using something that may be deactivated in the next release. This machine is gonna be firewalled, and hundreds of miles away from me and I want to be able to get into it without any problems. |
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| 01:54.45 | dondelelcaro | aPpYe: so long as you continue to use sysvinit, it should be run at boot |
| 01:55.01 | dondelelcaro | (I can't imagine us dropping rc.local) |
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| 01:59.16 | dockimble | i need suggestions for an os to install on a laptop |
| 01:59.24 | dockimble | it's a 486 with 4 MB of ram |
| 01:59.37 | ApEtc | oww |
| 01:59.42 | ApEtc | I had Debian on a 485 with 40 megs of RAM once |
| 01:59.45 | ApEtc | *486 |
| 01:59.54 | abrotman | i still do? |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | dockimble: can you get more RAM for it? |
| 02:00.15 | Sauvin | Like, by a factor of a thousand? |
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| 02:00.23 | aPpYe | dondelelcaro: good enough. so until there is some huge overhaul of the init system then I am gold. |
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| 02:01.34 | dockimble | i dont think so |
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| 02:02.47 | User_007 | abrotman, is the codename decided by election? |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | dockimble: ebay has lots of weird stuff |
| 02:03.01 | dockimble | what could i put in it as it is |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | User_007: not sure, just be patient, they'll pick one |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | dockimble: find out what kind of RAM it has, get more of it |
| 02:03.30 | User_007 | abrotman, cause i want to suggest one, if there is a way |
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| 02:03.42 | abrotman | which is? |
| 02:03.44 | dockimble | no, is there some other FLOSS OS to put on it? |
| 02:03.48 | User_007 | Andy |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | that's not a toy, that's a person |
| 02:03.57 | dob1 | hi, using gpg, it is safe to distribute the pubring.gpg? |
| 02:04.00 | User_007 | Sid too |
| 02:04.09 | abrotman | Sid already exists |
| 02:04.16 | User_007 | yes... and Sid is a person |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | i think there's also a toy called Sid |
| 02:04.33 | User_007 | humm |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | why would you want to call it Andy? |
| 02:05.51 | User_007 | I really liked it on Last Toy Story |
| 02:05.58 | dockimble | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.10 | dockimble | oh wait |
| 02:07.17 | dockimble | it's a whole 8 MB of ram |
| 02:07.20 | dockimble | not just 4 |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | dockimble: an older version of debian if you really want |
| 02:07.42 | User_007 | dockimble, have you looked for Damn Small Linux? |
| 02:07.56 | User_007 | It's Debian Based |
| 02:08.09 | dockimble | is there one that can be installed via disk? |
| 02:08.46 | User_007 | i think it can be... |
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| 02:10.13 | magneto | hello debian doers |
| 02:10.55 | User_007 | dockimble, just do some swap, it may be slower but will help if you can't get more memory |
| 02:11.03 | icebrain | !greet magneto |
| 02:11.04 | dpkg | Salutations, magneto |
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| 02:12.46 | magneto | i'm trying to install debian from a flash drive but zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc gives bash: permission denied =( |
| 02:13.34 | abrotman | are you root? |
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| 02:13.42 | magneto | same thing with sudo =( |
| 02:15.14 | User_007 | bye guys |
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| 02:20.02 | abrotman | magneto: which OS are you using to do this? |
| 02:20.10 | magneto | ubuntu |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | magneto: sudo su and then try it ? |
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| 02:21.31 | magneto | thx a lot, no error now |
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| 02:28.04 | magneto | where can i find the netinst.iso for squeeze? |
| 02:28.26 | abrotman | for i386? |
| 02:29.08 | magneto | i found it =) thx |
| 02:29.20 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:29.29 | magneto | i think i am amd64 cuz i am installing on a i5 with 4gig mem |
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| 02:29.37 | abrotman | there isn't a daily for amd64 |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | poke around on debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ to see what you can find |
| 02:30.14 | magneto | thx |
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| 02:39.52 | dockimble | what are the system requirements for debian etch? |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | look in the installation manual |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | ISTR it's 8MB |
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| 02:48.50 | aPpYe | hmmm. I am building a stable system with some backports ... I figured I would use amd64 since it supports it. I notice that the apple quicktime trailers don't work out of the box as they do in 32 bit. Can someone point me to a walkthrough that doesn't insist on installing mplayer? I would like to use backports or codecs from elsewhere that are meant to work with stable and totem and... |
| 02:48.51 | aPpYe | ...totem plugin. I see things like multimedia repositories ... not sure where to begin here. |
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| 02:51.15 | aPpYe | like what is the debian equivalent to ubuntu's "ubuntu-restricted-extras" ? |
| 02:51.29 | napster | Where would I get debian for other architectures, like ARM? |
| 02:51.35 | aPpYe | I guess I can start by seeing what is installed gstreamer-wise. |
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| 02:54.27 | aPpYe | hm. Okay, I have the basic repositories configured with main contrib nonfree. I have not yet started to play with backports. is there a main "catch all" metapackage that will install all of the gstreamer plugins? |
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| 02:55.45 | aPpYe | napster: the main debian site lists that stuff. |
| 02:56.00 | aPpYe | so I guess I can start with good-bad-ugly ... |
| 02:56.05 | napster | aPpYe: got it |
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| 02:57.55 | deco | does debian use alsa or pulseaudio ? |
| 02:58.39 | aPpYe | deco: seems to be alas |
| 02:58.42 | aPpYe | alsa |
| 02:59.02 | deco | yay thanks aPpYe |
| 02:59.08 | deco | hates pulseaudio |
| 02:59.15 | aPpYe | I am new to debian myself... |
| 02:59.21 | deco | oh hehe cool |
| 02:59.30 | aPpYe | at least the amd64 version is using it. |
| 02:59.31 | deco | aPpYe: i'm on ubuntu atm and planning to switch to debian |
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| 03:01.13 | aPpYe | Okay, is there a legend of what all those letters mean in the colums to the left of aptitude search results? I have figured out the 'p' means it is not installed, and 'i' means it is installed, but I am now seeing results that have an 'i' and an 'A' ... |
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| 03:02.40 | czesmir | aPpYe: and whats that 'A' |
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| 03:03.02 | aPpYe | czesmir: no idea... that is why I am asking about a legend... |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | aPpYe: it's either in the man page or the manual .. can't remember which |
| 03:03.58 | abrotman | A means the package was automatically installed |
| 03:04.14 | aPpYe | yeah, I really need to sit down and read that ... I have only referenced it. cursory looks don't seem to bring back anything though for me. |
| 03:04.19 | aPpYe | abrotman: man page then? |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | that's where i saw it |
| 03:04.40 | aPpYe | abrotman: like as a dependency or part of the original tasksel thingy? |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | doesn't specify |
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| 03:10.04 | lfs | what is the command to mount a windows drive from Debian? |
| 03:10.33 | ScottG | ntfs-3g? |
| 03:11.55 | lfs | What is the command to see the name of the drive I am on now? |
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| 03:28.52 | aPpYe | okay, i am happy with the codecs out of the box, the only thing is that the quicktime plugin does not work for trailers.apple.com |
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| 03:29.52 | handheldcar | .gnash |
| 03:30.04 | handheldcar | !gnash |
| 03:30.04 | dpkg | Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:31.33 | alana | if I want to have X11 available but not running by default, can I just disable xdm in rc2.d and teleint to level 3 when I want to run X? |
| 03:32.01 | nkuttler | !tell alana about nodm |
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| 03:36.09 | brokendatapoint | hi, am trying to install stable_net_install via usb but the driver for the Atheros Comms wireless card are not in the install drivers. how do you add the drivers? |
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| 03:42.00 | Infin1ty | should i stick to ext3 or move to ext4? |
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| 03:43.14 | nkuttler | Infin1ty: do you have a reason to use ext4? |
| 03:43.21 | Infin1ty | nkuttler, i guess no :) |
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| 03:44.55 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, someone just asked me to get back into an old version of a website (I have since changed the dns) - I found a list of possible ip addresses (~50). I really don't want to keep changing /etc/hosts and then checking the url (this was done w/ vhosts btw, so using the ip will not work). Anyone know of a better way? |
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| 03:46.51 | mick_laptop | i guess i could write something that adds an enty to the /etc/hosts file, and then downloads the contents of that url, and just looks for a 404 error then just removing the file and removing the last line of my /etc/hosts file |
| 03:46.52 | alana | hmm, it seems the README file in rc2.d tells you how to do it. rename the S30gdm symlink to K70gdm, and x will not start at runlevel 2. telinit 3 will start it. |
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| 03:56.05 | plus | So last I heard ZFS wasn't complete in kFreeBSD. Now that squeeze is frozen, does that mean ZFS support is not going to make it into Debian 6.0? |
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| 04:01.09 | nkuttler | plus: /msg dpkg kfreebsd, they have their own channel |
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| 04:17.40 | aPpYe | I am a little confused about how to use backports. I figure I needed to upgrade my gstreamer codecs so I can see apple.com movie trailers. Not sure where to go from here? What did I do wrong? I cancelled the operation. Here is what i did with the results: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/247528/ |
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| 04:18.06 | Mistakes | anyone know how to force synaptic package manager or apt to ignore hash mismatches? |
| 04:20.07 | aPpYe | I guess I am looking for a little handholding here... the instructions on the backports.org website don't give a lot of details as to what to do when I run into "unresolved dependencies" |
| 04:20.09 | cast | Mistakes: eh...EH why would you want to do that |
| 04:20.39 | cast | aPpYe: curious, post your sources.list, might be an error on someone elses part |
| 04:20.58 | Mistakes | cast: it's giving me a hash mismatch on packages from the debian installation dvds that i just downloaded and burnt tonight |
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| 04:23.25 | Mistakes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:25.32 | chris_osx | hi |
| 04:26.00 | chris_osx | i read that there is a experimental debian distro with a bsd kernel |
| 04:26.30 | chris_osx | and i wonder what would be the advantage of having such a kernel over the linux kernel |
| 04:26.48 | chris_osx | over having the linux kernel |
| 04:26.55 | chris_osx | sorry for my bad english |
| 04:27.15 | Xenguy | chris_osx: squeeze/testing, which as just been frozen, has an option for freebsd kernel |
| 04:27.22 | Xenguy | s/as/has/ |
| 04:27.37 | chris_osx | ok |
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| 04:28.03 | chris_osx | do you think there is some significant benefit of using bsd as a kernel? |
| 04:29.58 | cast__ | chris_osx: do you believe linux to be superior in every way to kfreebsd? :) |
| 04:30.17 | cast__ | chris_osx: the gnu/kfreebsd project has documentation, describing some of the motivations |
| 04:30.43 | chris_osx | cast__: well i don't want to troll for or against os |
| 04:30.48 | chris_osx | just curious |
| 04:30.55 | mick_laptop | does wget work with --no-dns-cache when using /etc/hosts ? |
| 04:31.03 | mick_laptop | it seems to be caching it for me |
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| 04:32.14 | aPpYe | cast: apologies ... I cannot seem to get this pastebinit app working right. anyway, here is my paste: |
| 04:32.17 | cast__ | chris_osx: well, theres some nice things in freebsd, zfs and pf come to mind |
| 04:32.18 | aPpYe | http://pastebin.com/zzBPtEzP |
| 04:32.18 | Xenguy | chris_osx: I personally have no interest in a BSD kernel in debian (just my humble opinion); I read a recent benchmark that put the BSD kernel in debian behind the regular linux kernel, so make of that what you will |
| 04:32.57 | cast__ | aPpYe: hmm, and you've done a recent aptitude update? |
| 04:33.55 | aPpYe | cast__: yes. This is alsoa fresh install. |
| 04:34.29 | cast__ | aPpYe: seems to be about the same setup as me, i suspect the problem isn't you |
| 04:35.52 | aPpYe | cast__: I am thinking that I am not understanding how backports is supposed to work? When I want to install something from backports, does it also autoselect the backported dependencies as well or no? |
| 04:36.08 | mick_laptop | if someone needs zfs on linux, why not try zfs using fuse? |
| 04:36.30 | mick_laptop | instead of using a bsd kernel |
| 04:36.37 | cast__ | they could. |
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| 04:37.00 | cast__ | they could, if zfs is their main concern, use opensolaris |
| 04:38.03 | chris_osx | so pf is basically bsd's iptables |
| 04:38.33 | chris_osx | right? |
| 04:38.44 | cast__ | pf is openbsd's packet filter, which has since been ported to freebsd |
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| 04:46.00 | lfs | How to copy a file to a windows partition from Debian? |
| 04:46.27 | lfs | I mounted it using the command cp /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 04:46.40 | lfs | BUt I get permission denied when trying to cp |
| 04:47.11 | chris_osx | cp? not mount? |
| 04:47.33 | Sauvin | You don't use ntfs-3g? |
| 04:47.38 | lfs | I meant mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 04:47.53 | lfs | What is that? |
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| 04:48.05 | Sauvin | ntfs-3g mounts ntfs filesystems. |
| 04:48.18 | lfs | Sounds good |
| 04:48.26 | lfs | WHat do I do? |
| 04:48.43 | lfs | aptitude install ntfs-3g? |
| 04:48.56 | Sauvin | I don't remember the package it came in... |
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| 04:49.17 | Sauvin | Yea, looks like it. |
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| 04:51.01 | lfs | I just installed it. |
| 04:51.05 | lfs | How do I use it? |
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| 04:53.33 | Sauvin | You start by reading its man page. man ntfs-3g |
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| 05:57.04 | torpedotux | lack of sleep or pebkac (whichever you wanna call it :P) |
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| 06:06.20 | Infin1ty | if i manualy create in the alt+f2 console and lvm layout, does the installer should recognize it when using "manual" ? because i called one of my lv "rootfslv" and the installer search for "rootfs" for some reason |
| 06:06.36 | Infin1ty | i did reboot as well, sync, everything possible, now i'm trying the graphical installer |
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| 06:14.41 | xae8koo | All our USB pens are now bootable via USB-HDD and also Embedded via Qemu! |
| 06:14.47 | xae8koo | Does anyone know how to do that? |
| 06:16.56 | Infin1ty | bug in the installer? it recreates everytime the swapp although the configure lvm menu shows my real layout yet the installer is having problems understanding that :| |
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| 06:42.31 | Bushmills | "everytime"? are you installing once an hour? |
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| 06:46.08 | DocTomoe | So I have this phenomeon with Debian Lenny and OpenLDAP. I am following http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup - but it only asks me for my password, not anything else. When I try to log in with phpldapadmin, it doesn't accept my password. I'm kinda lost and grateful for any help on this. |
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| 07:02.59 | ddalton_ | hi guys, does anyone know if the eeepc r101 is supported by debian? I don't see it on the page, though they say it is very similar to 1001px... |
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| 07:03.55 | ddalton_ | also if i have b/g support on the wifi, what would happen when connecting to a type n network? |
| 07:04.13 | ddalton_ | would i just have the slowers speeds or would it not work at all? |
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| 07:14.17 | n3kl | Hi |
| 07:14.27 | tbsaunde | n3kl: hi |
| 07:15.21 | n3kl | on one of my systems, I can't get cpufreq to work properly. I know i've done it on this particular system before, but I am wondering if something in the kernel has changed. I am running 64 bit 2.6.32 .4 on lenny out of bpo |
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| 07:16.18 | n3kl | anyone know of something surrounding cpufreq that would keep me from loading acpi_cpufreq as a module, or powernow_k8, whichever it is that will allow me to scale the cpu frequency? |
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| 08:12.32 | foetus | good morning |
| 08:12.45 | foetus | :) |
| 08:13.04 | fxiny | good morning foetuso :P |
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| 08:15.21 | thewanderer1 | holy penguin! Chromium is a disk hog! |
| 08:15.35 | thewanderer1 | it uses over 200MB for its "config" |
| 08:16.16 | fxiny | 200MB ? wt4x ! |
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| 08:16.42 | daemonxi | I wish chromium were more compatible, it lags on all but one desktop in my house :( |
| 08:16.56 | foetus | i'm be tarring my homedirs into mktemp -d as a simple tar, expand it there, tar it again, tar -tvf brings me root:root for the user dir..i use tar -cpf, whats wrong? |
| 08:17.01 | thewanderer1 | 80MB thumbnails, 115MB history index |
| 08:17.41 | thewanderer1 | foetus: you expanded it as non-root user |
| 08:18.04 | thewanderer1 | foetus: tar uses chown() when restoring privileges, and chown() requires root rights |
| 08:18.37 | thewanderer1 | thus, when extracting a tar packed with "p" option, you have to be root :P |
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| 08:19.13 | foetus | thewanderer1, no, i use tar in root-mode. |
| 08:19.54 | thewanderer1 | foetus: have you re-packed it with "p" option, too? |
| 08:20.14 | foetus | thewanderer1, yes. |
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| 08:20.25 | foetus | thewanderer1, as root. |
| 08:20.40 | thewanderer1 | then you must have unpacked it without "p" |
| 08:20.51 | thewanderer1 | then repacked with "p" :P |
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| 08:21.30 | foetus | thewanderer1: always done. |
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| 08:21.45 | thewanderer1 | ehm... lemme try... |
| 08:22.01 | foetus | thewanderer1: feel like a beginner :) |
| 08:23.05 | thewanderer1 | what options have you used for expanding the archive? |
| 08:23.24 | foetus | thewanderer1: tar -xpf |
| 08:24.23 | thewanderer1 | I'm unable to reproduce |
| 08:24.40 | thewanderer1 | er... reproduce the error. |
| 08:25.18 | thewanderer1 | it works for me as advertised :P |
| 08:25.31 | fxiny | lemme try , pached as ? |
| 08:25.36 | fxiny | packed* |
| 08:25.51 | thewanderer1 | tar, he said, as root, with "p" option too |
| 08:26.01 | fxiny | cpv ? |
| 08:26.13 | foetus | thewanderer1: strange, however.. |
| 08:26.30 | thewanderer1 | foetus: do your files after the first expanding preserve the owner? |
| 08:27.56 | foetus | thewanderer1, fxiny: i do: tar -cvpf temp000.tar /home/user/somedir, tar -tvf output is correct. |
| 08:28.38 | thewanderer1 | foetus: then unpack it as root with "p" option, check ownerships, pack with "p" option again and check |
| 08:29.09 | foetus | thewanderer1: then: tar -xpf temp00.tar, home ok, user: root:root, somedir correct |
| 08:29.49 | thewanderer1 | so at this step your ownership gets corrupted? |
| 08:30.30 | foetus | thewanderer1: yes. the userdir becomes a root:root privilegue. |
| 08:30.42 | thewanderer1 | well |
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| 08:30.49 | thewanderer1 | it's a tricky one |
| 08:31.01 | foetus | thewanderer1: you say it :) |
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| 08:31.50 | fxiny | tar xpf -> root.root |
| 08:32.07 | foetus | thewanderer1: tar is packing correct, after expanding and re-packing, ownership of user dir is gone. |
| 08:32.42 | thewanderer1 | foetus: when I pack things, I only see the basedirs, not full directory paths |
| 08:32.57 | thewanderer1 | oh, sorry, my bad |
| 08:33.01 | thewanderer1 | wrong listing :D |
| 08:33.10 | foetus | thewanderer1: :) |
| 08:33.12 | s5s | hey guys I downloaded the squeeze release CD#1 and installed it but it only installs the most basic system. THe tasksel only has mail server and core system or something like that. I know squeeze is frozen but the CD should be similar to Lenny right? |
| 08:33.25 | fxiny | but i never use p . why p ? |
| 08:33.37 | fxiny | tar as root preserve ownership |
| 08:33.37 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: preserve modes and owners |
| 08:33.41 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 08:33.57 | fxiny | thewanderer1: tar cvf does it |
| 08:34.03 | fxiny | try |
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| 08:34.12 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: but when unpacking, it doesn't preserve |
| 08:34.19 | fxiny | it does |
| 08:34.19 | thewanderer1 | so when unpacking one has to use p |
| 08:34.26 | thewanderer1 | oh, it didn't use to |
| 08:34.30 | thewanderer1 | I like to be extra safe |
| 08:34.37 | fxiny | tar xvf |
| 08:34.38 | thewanderer1 | spent some time on Gentoo you know :P |
| 08:34.44 | foetus | thewanderer1: i have read the manpage, but there is no option for preserving ownership (maybe i'm wrong in this case) |
| 08:34.49 | thewanderer1 | foetus: I reproduced your results |
| 08:34.57 | fxiny | thewanderer1: frigging eggs ? ;) |
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| 08:35.08 | thewanderer1 | alright |
| 08:35.09 | thewanderer1 | so |
| 08:35.24 | thewanderer1 | I didn't even have to re-pack |
| 08:35.56 | thewanderer1 | thewanderer@iss tmp $ stat --format=%u home/users/thewanderer/ |
| 08:35.56 | thewanderer1 | 0 |
| 08:36.08 | fxiny | anyway , when i compile i repack as root always tar cvf and i unpack as root |
| 08:36.28 | fxiny | it preserve ownership |
| 08:36.28 | thewanderer1 | Houston, we have a bug either in /tmp or in tar itself. |
| 08:36.42 | fxiny | another one in mc as root |
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| 08:37.19 | thewanderer1 | or perhaps not... ? |
| 08:37.38 | foetus | thewanderer1: good to know, btw, same thing in etch. |
| 08:37.40 | thewanderer1 | oh, spotted it. it's a semantic problem. |
| 08:37.41 | fxiny | thewanderer1: tmp ? i do my root tarball in home/user , |
| 08:38.01 | thewanderer1 | tar doesn't implicitly pack all parent directories |
| 08:38.01 | ongolaBoy | hello.How I do I give ownership to files/folder I have created to another group instead of my primary one ? |
| 08:38.13 | thewanderer1 | ongolaBoy: chgrp |
| 08:38.44 | thewanderer1 | fxiny, foetus: tar packs only the directory pointed to, and not parent directories, so it can not preserve parent dirs' permissions nor owners |
| 08:39.09 | thewanderer1 | so when you point it to /a/b/c it only saves permissions of /a/b/c and not /a nor /a/b |
| 08:39.18 | fxiny | thewanderer1: and tar is right : parents are bastards ;) |
| 08:39.23 | foetus | thewanderer1: ah, but how could i solve this? |
| 08:39.37 | s5s | anyone managed installed squeeze properly? |
| 08:39.39 | thewanderer1 | foetus: hm. perhaps find a way to pack parent directories too. |
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| 08:40.06 | thewanderer1 | s5s: CD1 doesn't contain much. use aptitude and fetch yourself the rest :P |
| 08:40.14 | fxiny | foetus: i see what you mean |
| 08:40.27 | fxiny | thewanderer1: he's right |
| 08:40.34 | foetus | thewanderer1, fxiny: thanks for your help -- i'm not the only one :) |
| 08:40.35 | s5s | thewanderer1: CD1 on Lenny contains all you need to get you going |
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| 08:41.01 | s5s | thewanderer1: and it does on squeeze but it just isn't installing it |
| 08:41.27 | thewanderer1 | s5s: you do know that the installer is in testing phase don't you |
| 08:41.32 | thewanderer1 | so expect breakage :) |
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| 08:41.35 | ongolaBoy | thewanderer1: thanks.Do I have to issue this command `chgrp` each time I create a file ? or is there an automatic process ? |
| 08:41.42 | robertpayne | anyone able to help me with this sed problem: http://pastebin.com/UdFk2ZwP. It works when sed is run outside of the loop but whenever inside it replaces as a empty string instead of $USE_HOSTNAME |
| 08:42.05 | thewanderer1 | ongolaBoy: if you set your dir SETGID and set its group, all subsequent sub-nodes will be marked with that group |
| 08:42.30 | thewanderer1 | foetus: I would ask #gnu or so :D |
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| 08:45.23 | fxiny | foetus: found nothing in the man , if you go to #gnu could you let me now ? |
| 08:45.55 | thewanderer1 | foetus, fxiny: I see a hack around this limitation |
| 08:45.57 | foetus | fxiny: yes, of course :) |
| 08:46.06 | thewanderer1 | it only requires being able to join 2 tar's together :P |
| 08:46.40 | foetus | thewanderer1: you mean - appending? |
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| 08:46.59 | thewanderer1 | foetus: yes, but more like prepending would be better |
| 08:47.04 | thewanderer1 | still, appending should work. |
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| 08:47.10 | fxiny | thewanderer1: wt4x ! that's weird |
| 08:47.14 | thewanderer1 | you append each of the parent directories to the archive |
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| 08:47.23 | thewanderer1 | so that tar knows about their ownership/permissions |
| 08:47.28 | thewanderer1 | it has to work :D |
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| 08:48.29 | thewanderer1 | hm, just how do I append? xD |
| 08:48.56 | torpedotux | yay! Description:Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.5 (lenny)!! |
| 08:49.01 | fxiny | thewanderer1 foetus : this is Alan Cox famous tar trick , note the -p : (cd /source/directory && tar cf - . ) | (cd /dest/directory && tar xpvf -) |
| 08:49.06 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: howdy |
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| 08:49.18 | thewanderer1 | torpedotux: nice :P |
| 08:49.19 | fxiny | p only when unpacking |
| 08:49.29 | foetus | thewanderer1: uff, complicated.. :) |
| 08:49.45 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: i'd have to mention at this point that yesterday's torpedotux had a bit of pebkac :D |
| 08:49.57 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: er, how is it supposed to work? it looks no more useful than what I told... :P |
| 08:50.29 | thewanderer1 | like, it won't preserve parent permissions |
| 08:50.54 | foetus | same thing, yes. |
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| 08:51.06 | thewanderer1 | I need to find how to append files to a tar :P |
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| 08:52.37 | foetus | thewanderer1: the problem by appending files or dirs to a tar archive is, that they are double, next time there are three or more entries and such thing.. |
| 08:53.01 | thewanderer1 | foetus: no, they are not double |
| 08:53.07 | thewanderer1 | foetus: just checked - my trick works |
| 08:53.23 | fxiny | thewanderer1: yes ? ok |
| 08:53.29 | thewanderer1 | you just need to append each of the parent directories with --no-recurse option |
| 08:53.34 | thewanderer1 | er |
| 08:53.37 | thewanderer1 | --no-recursion |
| 08:53.49 | thewanderer1 | sudo tar rpv --file=temp000.tar --no-recursion /home/users/thewanderer |
| 08:54.02 | thewanderer1 | now it yields the correct owner :) |
| 08:54.46 | foetus | thewanderer1: ah, every single dir at once.. |
| 08:55.05 | thewanderer1 | yeah, or use xargs and give it a few at once :P |
| 08:55.09 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i don't believe you , send me the temp000.tar , i wanna check it ;P |
| 08:55.11 | thewanderer1 | tar is fast anyway |
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| 08:55.19 | fxiny | hides |
| 08:55.23 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: ye, sure, with all my documents :D |
| 08:55.34 | fxiny | thewanderer1: oh i forgot that ;) |
| 08:55.35 | thewanderer1 | you'd like to see those shiny sources wouldn't you :P |
| 08:55.40 | foetus | thewanderer1: complicated, but useful :) |
| 08:56.00 | thewanderer1 | foetus: yes, sure, you are free to append your frustration to UNIX Haters Handbook |
| 08:56.16 | thewanderer1 | we're verging revision 2, it seems |
| 08:56.26 | foetus | thewanderer1: haha.. |
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| 08:57.25 | thewanderer1 | just remember to include the frustration of all parents, incrementally |
| 08:57.38 | thewanderer1 | (up to Adam or so) |
| 08:58.39 | fxiny | includi all tetrapods |
| 08:58.45 | fxiny | including* |
| 08:59.13 | thewanderer1 | oh, the manpage says that it's possible to replace older files when appending - good |
| 08:59.18 | thewanderer1 | no duplicates for you |
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| 08:59.30 | foetus | thewanderer1: how? |
| 08:59.36 | thewanderer1 | -u |
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| 09:00.02 | foetus | thewanderer1 just prepare it, it goes double.. |
| 09:00.23 | foetus | thewanderer1: and trible :) |
| 09:00.27 | thewanderer1 | I don't exactly know if it performs deduplication on path level, perhaps it just says "oh, I'll rewrite that later anyway" |
| 09:00.39 | thewanderer1 | that would be so tar-rish :P |
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| 09:01.23 | thewanderer1 | (no really, nobody has the time to check for duplicates upon writing when using TAPE) |
| 09:01.35 | fxiny | lemme look into incremental -G again |
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| 09:02.33 | thewanderer1 | ah yes, you need metadata for that |
| 09:03.01 | thewanderer1 | really, really prefers ZFS for backups |
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| 09:05.23 | foetus | thewanderer1: ok, solution is..tarring the entire /home directory, then it works. |
| 09:05.41 | thewanderer1 | well yes, you've just brute-forced it :P |
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| 09:06.02 | foetus | thewanderer1: but going into users dir, it works only ones.. |
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| 09:07.34 | renton_ | isn't possibile to have mame using just aptitude? |
| 09:07.46 | renton_ | i installed gmameui but it wants a "mame executable".. |
| 09:08.44 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you need xmame binaries? |
| 09:09.00 | renton_ | # aptitude install xmame |
| 09:09.00 | renton_ | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed |
| 09:09.18 | thewanderer1 | sdlmame, man |
| 09:09.37 | thewanderer1 | it's supported by gmameui - you should have read the package description before installing |
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| 09:10.03 | renton_ | yes, so my question is.. isn't there anything like "sdlmame" available in the debian repositories? |
| 09:10.21 | thewanderer1 | ,versions sdlmame |
| 09:10.23 | judd | sdlmame -- sid-multimedia: 0.138-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 0.138-0.0 |
| 09:10.42 | thewanderer1 | !tell renton_ about d-m |
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| 09:11.20 | renton_ | reading that note, seems it is a patent stuff |
| 09:11.41 | thewanderer1 | well, patent-related reasons, codec-related and so on |
| 09:11.48 | thewanderer1 | you'd have to investigate on your own |
| 09:12.09 | foetus | btw, yes. entire /home works perfectly. strange, however.. |
| 09:12.12 | thewanderer1 | indeed, if this is in d-m, there have to be legal reasons for it not to be distributed in Debian by default |
| 09:12.21 | thewanderer1 | foetus: no, that's how tar works :P |
| 09:12.36 | thewanderer1 | it only saves permissions for the dirs you tell it to |
| 09:13.25 | foetus | thewanderer1: important -- how :), but you're right. |
| 09:14.29 | foetus | thewanderer1: ok, lets close this thing. i must do something in bashscript. then its done. |
| 09:14.32 | fxiny | sends an extra 1 to thewanderer1 |
| 09:14.37 | foetus | thanks. |
| 09:14.42 | demoneye | I would like to download Debian and burn on a cd. Which one should I download on http//cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd? Which file should I download? |
| 09:14.59 | demoneye | CD-1.iso? |
| 09:15.04 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: no thanks, I wanted to be called thewanderer but some took that :P |
| 09:15.20 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: yeah, CD1 |
| 09:15.41 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: but if you can, use netinst images (requires net connection when you install) |
| 09:15.47 | foetus | bye. |
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| 09:16.24 | demoneye | thewanderer1: netinst? which uses pendrive to download right? |
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| 09:16.39 | mms_ | hi I am trying to setup totem to play flash. can one tell me what to install ? |
| 09:16.41 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: not necessarily - netinst ISO are meant to be burned on CD |
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| 09:16.49 | thewanderer1 | they can be used on a pendrive, too, yes |
| 09:16.54 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i see now why you had problems loggin into the wiki |
| 09:17.20 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: err why? :P |
| 09:17.43 | thewanderer | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 09:17.45 | thewanderer | finally |
| 09:17.50 | thewanderer | gotta register this |
| 09:17.58 | thewanderer | what... |
| 09:17.59 | fxiny | you said someone took your nick |
| 09:18.00 | demoneye | thewanderer1: What if I download a netinst version of Debian to my 8gb pendrive. Then what should I do, since its 'netinst'. |
| 09:18.02 | thewanderer | already registered? crap |
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| 09:18.22 | thewanderer1 | this is insane :P |
| 09:18.27 | fxiny | thewanderer1: quick ! |
| 09:18.40 | thewanderer1 | 2 weeks ago thewanderer was still free, but someone was connected with this nick |
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| 09:18.47 | thewanderer1 | and now NickServ tells me that it's taken :P |
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| 09:19.24 | demoneye | NickServ was programmed to be weird =P |
| 09:19.28 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
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| 09:20.30 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: read the debian installation manual |
| 09:20.35 | thewanderer1 | it's all in there :P |
| 09:21.09 | thewanderer1 | and on the wiki I'm using quite a different login |
| 09:21.17 | thewanderer1 | it's just that MoinMoin is buggy as hell |
| 09:21.44 | demoneye | thewanderer1: right, will do that. Btw, can anyone recommend me an XP iso burner? |
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| 09:22.00 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: Ubuntu recommends InfraRecorder |
| 09:22.09 | fxiny | hell is empty , all daemons are partying in two desktop env :P |
| 09:22.38 | thewanderer1 | ^ yes, daemons left so bugs took their place :P |
| 09:22.54 | demoneye | thewanderer1: thank you :) |
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| 09:26.24 | EmleyMoor | Ooh, freeze is squozen </spooner> |
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| 09:34.13 | jnz_ | hi =) |
| 09:37.33 | infinity0 | is there a program that lets me see which programs are doing how much disk accesses? |
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| 09:41.03 | olorin_ | infinity0: Will general resource stats do? |
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| 09:41.18 | infinity0 | if they include disk access yeah :p |
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| 09:41.27 | infinity0 | i'm looking into atop atm, but any other suggestions would be appreciated too :) |
| 09:41.46 | Patina | infinity0: iotop |
| 09:42.30 | infinity0 | ah ok thanks |
| 09:43.52 | olorin_ | xdiskusage might be worth looking at if you prefer things graphically. |
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| 09:44.36 | infinity0 | cool, thanks |
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| 09:45.42 | olorin_ | Patina: Is there actually anything there's not a top like interface for? :-) |
| 09:46.30 | infinity0 | olorin_: oh xdiskusage shows disk usage, as in `du`, not access, apparently |
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| 09:47.13 | olorin_ | infinity0: Yeah, I noticed, you really want the IO calls. |
| 09:47.13 | Patina | olorin_: Don't know. |
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| 09:48.48 | olorin_ | Patina: I don't expect you to either. ;-) |
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| 09:53.07 | Patina | olorin_: Cool, I won't dissapoint you then. |
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| 09:55.17 | simplechat | hey guys, what files do you need to transplant an ssh key? |
| 09:55.42 | thrashold | What does 'transplant' mean? |
| 09:55.58 | olorin_ | Reusing I guess. |
| 09:56.02 | simplechat | well i need a cluster of computers to all have the same ssh keys |
| 09:56.04 | thewanderer1 | simplechat: man ssh-copy-id |
| 09:56.09 | simplechat | kk |
| 09:56.12 | simplechat | thanks :D |
| 09:56.36 | olorin_ | A public key, in other words. |
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| 09:57.30 | troppobello | CIAO |
| 09:57.34 | troppobello | !list |
| 09:57.34 | dpkg | troppobello: VATTENE VIA! |
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| 09:57.39 | thrashold | simplechat: All the same keys in what way? |
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| 09:57.46 | troppobello | a sei troppo delicato |
| 09:58.00 | troppobello | !list |
| 09:58.00 | dpkg | troppobello: VATTENE VIA! |
| 09:58.10 | thewanderer1 | !it |
| 09:58.10 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:58.12 | troppobello | perchè! |
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| 10:00.44 | olorin_ | thrashold: From what I understand, for authorize_keys, or wherever he's planning to keep them. |
| 10:01.08 | thrashold | olorin_: From his "explanation" it would seem that he wants something completely different |
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| 10:01.40 | olorin_ | thrashold: Yes, if you read it, it implies the whole shabang, including the secret key. |
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| 10:01.50 | thrashold | There are authorized_keys, known_hosts, the secret key, etc. |
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| 10:02.33 | superlinux | hi. what is the software that can allow me to make pc to pc MSN/hotmail voice calls? |
| 10:02.47 | olorin_ | amsn is one. |
| 10:03.03 | superlinux | olorin_, what else? |
| 10:03.20 | olorin_ | superlinux: Knew you gonna say that... |
| 10:03.41 | superlinux | why? |
| 10:03.53 | superlinux | I tried it. did not help me |
| 10:03.59 | olorin_ | superlinux: Well, mainly because it's ugly. |
| 10:04.20 | superlinux | no no! it did not make a call with me |
| 10:04.46 | superlinux | is't a must to have the web camera installed for amsn to work? |
| 10:04.53 | olorin_ | No. |
| 10:05.05 | superlinux | olorin_, the interface is ok with me |
| 10:05.18 | olorin_ | superlinux: It's a very good app. |
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| 10:06.39 | olorin_ | superlinux: Let's see. Kopete, Pidgin, etc should do it to some extent, but I can't say anything about reliability. |
| 10:06.56 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:07.52 | olorin_ | superlinux: Sure about all the ports being available for connection? |
| 10:08.23 | superlinux | olorin_, all is ok |
| 10:08.50 | superlinux | i am now going to compile the latest version |
| 10:09.00 | olorin_ | Emesene maybe? |
| 10:09.49 | thewanderer1 | superlinux: you know, MSN needs very hackish port forwards and transports |
| 10:10.05 | thewanderer1 | superlinux: see this http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm#MSN |
| 10:10.09 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:10.15 | olorin_ | Isn't there a iptables alias for it as well? |
| 10:10.38 | olorin_ | Shorewall does. |
| 10:10.39 | superlinux | ok thanks guys. i am going to have lunch |
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| 10:10.54 | superlinux | be right back then |
| 10:10.55 | thewanderer1 | from Netfilter list: "I suggest everyone to setup a proxy (gatekeeper) instead: the module is |
| 10:10.55 | thewanderer1 | really dumb and does not deserve to exist at all." |
| 10:11.24 | superlinux | guys i don't have any firewall |
| 10:11.28 | superlinux | bye |
| 10:11.44 | olorin_ | Well, you have, but does it have any rules. |
| 10:11.58 | thewanderer1 | NAT is this world's plague. |
| 10:12.26 | olorin_ | Well, we're waiting for massive IPv6 roll out. |
| 10:12.37 | thewanderer1 | looks at his IPv6 island |
| 10:12.50 | thrashold | IPv6 is painful. Debian doesn't get an IP correctly after resume, etc. |
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| 10:13.33 | thewanderer1 | well, my suspend/resume is broken anyway so I'm on the safe side :D |
| 10:13.39 | shylent | it is painful and it is also unavoidable :P |
| 10:13.54 | thewanderer1 | yes, like death, taxes and data loss |
| 10:13.54 | thrashold | I have to ifdown eth0/ifup eth0 after resume to get IPv6 working. |
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| 10:14.07 | shylent | as they say 'pain is inevitable, suffering is optional' |
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| 10:18.28 | fxiny | thewanderer1: ipv6 is more then a pain , some defcon report ... |
| 10:18.47 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: I'll read it, thanks... |
| 10:19.31 | fxiny | thewanderer1: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/06/ipv6_security_nightmare/ |
| 10:19.41 | fxiny | as a starter |
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| 10:20.12 | thewanderer1 | "Chief among the threats is the issue of incompatible firewalls, intrusion-prevention devices, and other security appliances, Bowne said" - well, legacy devices have always been the culprit |
| 10:20.38 | fxiny | and the mac address |
| 10:21.17 | thewanderer1 | one just has to set addresses using DHCP6 or other means |
| 10:21.18 | thrashold | Of course, people are stupid, and new things won't be gotten right from the first time, and when these two intersect you have a nightmare. But other than that, IPv6 has no issues. |
| 10:21.22 | thrashold | security I mean |
| 10:21.28 | thewanderer1 | oh well |
| 10:21.35 | thewanderer1 | this seems the right opinio |
| 10:21.35 | thewanderer1 | n |
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| 10:24.02 | thewanderer1 | still, I'm so launching IPv6 on my router |
| 10:26.04 | thrashold | What should I use? radvd or DHCPv6? |
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| 10:29.03 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: it depends on whether you only want to assign a route, or an address too |
| 10:29.28 | thewanderer1 | can finally assign one address to each of his VM's - woooo |
| 10:29.49 | fxiny | found a wiki http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 10:30.11 | thrashold | thewanderer1: My main problem is that I don't get a router after resume with radvd |
| 10:30.37 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: that means your computer is not requesting it |
| 10:30.49 | fxiny | thewanderer1: wouldn't be nice a debian wiki-inprogress about ipv6 ? |
| 10:31.06 | thewanderer1 | sure, would be... |
| 10:31.19 | thewanderer1 | and make it only accessible via ipv6 ;P |
| 10:31.23 | fxiny | hehehe |
| 10:31.24 | thrashold | thewanderer1: I thought radvd is just broadcasting it? |
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| 10:32.01 | thewanderer1 | yes it is, but should the PC receive any broadcast and believe it like Little Red Hood? |
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| 10:32.27 | fxiny | that wiki is useless , links of links |
| 10:32.29 | thewanderer1 | sounds mad |
| 10:32.47 | thewanderer1 | by the way, I wonder how Linux IP-conf handles IPv6 |
| 10:34.34 | thewanderer1 | it would be a pain not being able to boot over NFS any more in the IPv6 world |
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| 10:36.49 | fxiny | this one seems good http://www.deepspace6.net/docs/ipv6_status_page_apps.html |
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| 10:39.03 | thrashold | The important ones seem to support IPv6, so everything is fine |
| 10:40.06 | fxiny | i can't see xmms2 |
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| 10:41.51 | GianMarco | Hi all |
| 10:41.57 | aPpYe | is there some commonly known reason the debian installer (business card) hangs after downloading files on a virtualbox guest machine? Something I should enable/disable for the vm? |
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| 10:43.05 | GianMarco | I would like to test network connection between my mobile device and my debian server, whats a good tool for diagnostic the network packets between two hosts? |
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| 10:44.12 | thrashold | GianMarco: fping, ping, nmap |
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| 10:44.13 | fxiny | wireshark , tcpdump |
| 10:44.31 | patrick-- | hey everyone. when grabbing mail with option "keep" in fetchmailrc, how do i prevent this mail from beeing downloaded over again? |
| 10:45.03 | fxiny | hping2/3 |
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| 10:45.21 | fxiny | plenty of tools |
| 10:45.37 | GianMarco | thrashold, I was using ping to do the first test and the result is ugly |
| 10:46.01 | thrashold | GianMarco: Ugly as in the connection was bad? |
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| 10:46.10 | GianMarco | thrashold, seems like the connection get SLOW every 2 seconds, latency goes up and then go back down |
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| 10:46.35 | thrashold | GianMarco: What is the link? |
| 10:46.41 | GianMarco | thrashold, but I start believing is a portable device problem (iphone4) |
| 10:46.49 | GianMarco | thrashold, wifi |
| 10:47.53 | GianMarco | thrashold, isn't it very weird to get a 700~ ms latency on a local wifi ? :) |
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| 10:48.58 | thrashold | GianMarco: So either bad AP, bad WLAN device on the phone, bad hub, microwave interference, bad server ,etc. Start excluding them one by one :) (e.g. put the phone next to the AP, and see if there is a change, you can even put them in a tinfoil box if you're hardcore, haha) |
| 10:49.49 | GianMarco | thrashold, I am in front of the AP antenna :) I am running another device next to it and the problem is not occurring |
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| 10:50.16 | GianMarco | iphone 4 suck I think |
| 10:50.16 | thrashold | GianMarco: Then almost certainly phone WLAN and/or incompatibility with the AP. |
| 10:50.48 | GianMarco | thrashold, yes, seems like it has a weak connection or the connection is not stable at all |
| 10:51.00 | GianMarco | I would copy/paste you a ping session to this host |
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| 10:52.50 | GianMarco | My diagnosys is not giving me hope :))) |
| 10:53.16 | GianMarco | seems like the connection got a huge delay every 2 seconds |
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| 11:01.20 | fxiny | patrick--: keep and uidl . see the man |
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| 11:18.03 | OutOfLine | I want to tag an avi file. I think i did this before with ffmpeg -title 'title' and similar. I only get Unrecognized option 'title' now. So how do i tag an avi file? |
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| 11:19.54 | fxiny | hey ! after years of cpanning or src compiling perl modules i made my first dh-make-perl . damned NICE! |
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| 11:20.49 | fxiny | well worth the 15 extra packages |
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| 11:21.48 | fxiny | i never liked installing so many extra packages , but this is nice and handy |
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| 11:30.43 | torpedotux | fxiny: skval!! |
| 11:31.00 | torpedotux | :D |
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| 11:31.03 | fxiny | torpedotux: heheheh |
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| 11:31.23 | torpedotux | love this nicy shiny spanking lenny |
| 11:31.32 | torpedotux | fxiny: just got it installed on this rig |
| 11:31.34 | torpedotux | heh |
| 11:31.50 | alcy | torpedotux, from usb ? :) |
| 11:32.10 | torpedotux | alcy: no usb here. but i had to use my other laptop to do usb install |
| 11:32.19 | torpedotux | so yes it was usb but no this rig doesn't have usb :) |
| 11:32.19 | thewanderer1 | what does the ESV in 9.6.ESV.R1+dfsg-0+lenny2 version number mean? |
| 11:33.11 | alcy | torpedotux, was just asking about your yesterday's quest to install lenny from usb |
| 11:33.43 | torpedotux | alcy: yeah it was installed through usb but you see this rig doesn't have usb support (old ass bios) |
| 11:34.05 | fxiny | torpedotux: lenny ? you missed the gods sending message yesterday . after the debconf10 call for freezing they were so pleased as to detach a larger then a breadbox ice island , strange enough the news puppets are not blaming some hacker gathering for it ;P |
| 11:34.23 | fxiny | torpedotux: so move to squeeze ! |
| 11:34.28 | torpedotux | fxiny: i'll update to squeez :) |
| 11:34.35 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: what's with this "larger than breadbox"? |
| 11:34.45 | fxiny | torpedotux: hahaha mee too , collection all docs |
| 11:35.02 | torpedotux | fxiny: hehe |
| 11:35.27 | fxiny | thewanderer1: no idea , is dpkg language |
| 11:35.32 | thewanderer1 | er... |
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| 11:37.21 | fxiny | thewanderer1: is an island 4 times the size of manhattan inhabitated by smiling penguins |
| 11:37.54 | thewanderer1 | right... |
| 11:38.14 | torpedotux | hehe |
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| 11:39.34 | mechbangirc | hi root |
| 11:39.37 | mechbangirc | hi room |
| 11:39.48 | abrotman | !channel |
| 11:39.54 | abrotman | !room |
| 11:39.54 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 11:39.59 | abrotman | dpkg: sorry, my fault |
| 11:39.59 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, abrotman |
| 11:40.04 | mechbangirc | sorry hi channel |
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| 11:40.24 | mechbangirc | how can i tell the name of my eth0 controller driver under lenny? |
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| 11:40.53 | abrotman | ethtool or lspci -k |
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| 11:41.17 | mechbangirc | abrotman: thanks |
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| 11:41.46 | iluminator101 | here is the error i am getting, http://debian.pastebin.com/UfK0f2uW |
| 11:42.03 | fxiny | torpedotux: yes , i'm moving to squeeze . that's why i'm dh-making some perl modules , every time i dist-upgrade i forget where the sources are and which module i need for my scripts . i like this dh-make-perl so much |
| 11:42.38 | iluminator101 | how do i make sun java default |
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| 11:44.44 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: update-alternatives |
| 11:44.52 | fxiny | iluminator101: i did once briefly in etch . man update-alternatives |
| 11:45.01 | fxiny | oops |
| 11:45.34 | fxiny | the way back is superfast |
| 11:45.57 | iluminator101 | i installed openjdk and it seems to be working |
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| 11:46.41 | infinity0 | yeah openjdk works perfectly fine, i haven't seen it fail where the sun-java succeeds |
| 11:46.49 | infinity0 | tbf they share like 95% of their code anyway, maybe even more |
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| 11:48.10 | fxiny | the problems are in the last 5% , including the smashing of opensolaris |
| 11:48.18 | fxiny | shame on them |
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| 11:48.45 | infinity0 | "smashing"? |
| 11:49.13 | fxiny | whatever , opensolaris has been killed by oracle |
| 11:49.30 | thewanderer1 | ^ so true |
| 11:49.40 | thewanderer1 | our last hope is in Nexenta |
| 11:49.55 | thewanderer1 | (btw. I wish it would be based on Debian again...) |
| 11:50.04 | fxiny | exaclty |
| 11:50.21 | infinity0 | dw debian infrastructure will eventually expand to include a debianise_os command |
| 11:50.24 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i did run one of the first nextenta in a vm |
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| 11:50.43 | infinity0 | which removes all the libraries and kernels of an operating system and replaces it with debian equivalents, then packs the stuff up into a liveCD |
| 11:50.55 | infinity0 | and patch the programs to use said libraries/kernels |
| 11:51.37 | thewanderer1 | infinity0: I can't wait to run that on Windows 7 |
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| 11:52.29 | infinity0 | heheh |
| 11:52.50 | infinity0 | the only time i've booted into windows in the past 4 years was to play GTA4 and more recently starcraft 2 :( |
| 11:52.56 | infinity0 | upgrade wine already, debian! :( |
| 11:53.46 | thewanderer1 | oh there's no rushing, we'll all migrate to AMD64 eventually and there will be no wine anymore for us - let's call that a more healthy society |
| 11:54.25 | obcecado | no wine ??? |
| 11:54.46 | obcecado | oh noes |
| 11:55.16 | thrashold | Even without Wine there's still TuxRacer |
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| 11:55.56 | thewanderer1 | yesh |
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| 11:56.43 | fxiny | no more wine ? i won the lame duck contest! |
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| 11:57.49 | iluminator101 | how can you enable touch in debian i was thinking of getting a touch netbook |
| 11:57.59 | abrotman | touchscreen or touchpad ? |
| 11:58.09 | metalfoo | or touch(1) *scnr* |
| 11:58.10 | iluminator101 | touchcreen |
| 11:58.29 | fxiny | codeweavers stuff , the only useful thing double g has ever done for me , and i never used it |
| 11:58.30 | abrotman | there are drivers for certain screens, AIUI, you don't have to do much of anything at all |
| 11:58.40 | abrotman | fxiny: have you tried #debian-offtopic ? |
| 11:58.55 | fxiny | abrotman: not yet :) |
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| 11:59.03 | thrashold | iluminator101: Touchscreen is usually detected as a mouse. Right click is problematic, the tslib driver has RB emulation that doesn't work right, and GTK has a touchscreen mode IIRC |
| 11:59.31 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: in my case (not a touchscreen - electromagnetic stylus) I had to use manual xorg.conf to make it work |
| 11:59.37 | thewanderer1 | but there is usually not much more to do |
| 11:59.50 | thewanderer1 | oh, and by the way, do NOT fall for multi-touch marketing ^.- |
| 11:59.51 | thrashold | iluminator101: "gtk-touchscreen-mode" |
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| 12:00.02 | Ikarus | multi-touch is overrated |
| 12:00.18 | thewanderer1 | Ikarus: not only this, it has extremely poor support in Linux/X.org still |
| 12:00.28 | thrashold | Multitouch is irreplaceable. |
| 12:00.45 | SuNk8 | could someone please send me the torrent for downloading debian iso (DVD 64-bit processor)? The ISP here has banned some parts of debian site... ;-) |
| 12:01.23 | thrashold | You can't have reliable right-click without multi-touch. |
| 12:01.50 | thewanderer1 | I go for styluses, still |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | SuNk8: which version of Debian, why not use the netinst ? |
| 12:02.05 | thewanderer1 | touchscreens are crap usability-wise if you ask me |
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| 12:02.21 | abrotman | we didn't ask you |
| 12:02.35 | napster | I tried to setup atftpd server in my PC |
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| 12:02.46 | napster | But I get error on the client machine |
| 12:02.51 | napster | How can I fix it? |
| 12:02.55 | napster | Can anyone help me? |
| 12:03.24 | abrotman | napster: which versoin of atftpd? what is the error? |
| 12:04.27 | napster | abrotman: 0.7 on linux mint, The error is 'File not found' |
| 12:04.32 | SuNk8 | abrotman, I want to burn the latest version in some DVDs and distribute it to some friends. Sitting in my dad's office right now. Amazing internet speed, but site is blocked. cannot even search for words like 'torrent', blocked. However, I am able to connect through Transmission using the existing torrent files (on my pc). So all I need is a Rhythm Divine... I mean the torrent file... ;-) |
| 12:04.50 | abrotman | napster: ask the mint channel, this isn't it |
| 12:05.17 | napster | abrotman: They didn't respond at all :-( |
| 12:05.19 | abrotman | SuNk8: so you want Debian Stable DVD1 for i386 ? |
| 12:05.29 | abrotman | napster: that doesn't mean you should ask here, this channel is for Debian |
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| 12:05.39 | napster | abrotman: Sorry |
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| 12:06.26 | SuNk8 | abrotman, Debian 5, DVD stable, amd64, not i386, we all have 64 bit processors... ;-) |
| 12:06.43 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/amd64/bt-dvd/debian-505-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 12:08.11 | OutOfLine | still trying to find out how to set tags like title or author in an .avi file... |
| 12:08.17 | demoneye` | hmm, I burned debian on my cd using infrarecord, it went well. But when I try to boot it via start-up (recovery thingy), instead Ubuntu (my default os) fires-up.. |
| 12:08.24 | napster | abrotman: I was actually pushed towards the root, mint->ubuntu->debian |
| 12:08.30 | napster | :-( |
| 12:08.33 | SuNk8 | abrotman, It works. Thanks a lot. May your future generations rule the world. ;-) |
| 12:08.59 | abrotman | napster: this channel is to support Debian users. We can show you how to install Debian if you would like, otherwise, ask the mint channel or maybe ##linux |
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| 12:09.18 | thewanderer1 | demoneye`: you boot it via what? are you sure you're booting from the CD and that you burned it from the ISO9660 image and that it is bootable? |
| 12:09.26 | napster | abrotman: Okey, Mint->Ubuntu->debian->Linux |
| 12:09.32 | abrotman | napster: have a nice day! |
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| 12:11.24 | napster | abrotman: thank you |
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| 12:11.50 | visof | hello |
| 12:11.56 | demoneye` | thewanderer1: The same url you gave few hours ago (505-i386-cd1.iso). I set the motherboard settings to boot via CD-Rom, guess it's not doing it. I belive there are files in the CD (debian files) |
| 12:12.29 | visof | how can i format disk from command line ? |
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| 12:12.30 | thewanderer1 | visof: you don't "format disks", you usually format partitions. |
| 12:12.51 | streuner_ | visof: floppy? |
| 12:12.58 | visof | thewanderer1: well, can i delete the partitions from the disk ? |
| 12:13.05 | thewanderer1 | visof: yes you can |
| 12:13.13 | visof | thewanderer1: how can ? |
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| 12:13.22 | abrotman | demoneye`: if oyu look at the CD in another OS, do you see a single file, or a lot of them ? |
| 12:13.35 | abrotman | visof: fdisk |
| 12:13.38 | thewanderer1 | demoneye`: please check the CD checksum with `md5sum` against the checksum files on the mirror |
| 12:13.46 | visof | thewanderer1: what is the command the partition is called /dev/sdc1 |
| 12:14.06 | demoneye` | abrotman: a lot of them. When I insert the cd into CP, a Debian dialog box pops-up saying choose language with debian's logo on it |
| 12:14.30 | abrotman | visof: sdc1 is a partition |
| 12:14.31 | demoneye` | thewanderer1: I did that with md5checkum on XP |
| 12:14.50 | thewanderer1 | demoneye`: did it match? |
| 12:14.56 | demoneye` | yes, It did |
| 12:15.08 | thewanderer1 | demoneye`: I'm just curious - did md5checksum actually checksum the whole drive? |
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| 12:15.21 | demoneye` | the .iso file |
| 12:15.58 | thewanderer1 | then you have to check the physical medium integrity |
| 12:16.11 | thewanderer1 | #1 reason for non-working CDs are hardware damages |
| 12:16.23 | demoneye` | I see |
| 12:17.02 | demoneye` | anyways. I don't see a CD drive on my current os, Ubuntu 10.04. Maybe that's the issue? |
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| 12:18.05 | ma3x | hi i wrote the netinst.iso to usb stick. however when i start the installation it asks me for cdrom device. what should i put instead? |
| 12:18.28 | ma3x | tried /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc ... nothing works |
| 12:18.51 | thewanderer1 | demoneye`: could be. faulty CD drives are very common |
| 12:19.14 | thewanderer1 | and in fact, Ubuntu has always been bad about recognizing it - 2 weeks ago I had to reboot it a few times before watching a DVD |
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| 12:20.14 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about usb install |
| 12:20.34 | demoneye` | ohmai |
| 12:21.13 | thewanderer1 | ^ grab a fire extinguisher... now what's the matter? :P |
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| 12:27.48 | s5s | I have great problems installing Debian testing. I managed to install it in Vbox but on my machine it's hopeless. I've always used Debian so I'm at least moderate to advanced user. What happens is that I seem to have no internet connection after the install even though I used a mirror during the install |
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| 12:29.10 | s5s | I tried the weekly generated iso images and the alpha1 image |
| 12:29.12 | thewanderer1 | s5s: check ifconfig and see the interface names - your interfaces might not be configured |
| 12:29.26 | thewanderer1 | are you sure your interfaces are configured properly? |
| 12:30.04 | s5s | thewanderer1: I thought that the autoconfig with DHCP is supposed to have them configured - after all it used them to reach the mirrors |
| 12:30.32 | thewanderer1 | s5s: yes, it should be - do the interfaces actually get configured by DHCP? |
| 12:31.05 | s5s | thewanderer1: what do you mean? |
| 12:31.20 | abrotman | s5s: is it wifi? or wired? |
| 12:31.25 | s5s | wired |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | s5s: do you know which device it is? |
| 12:31.43 | s5s | eht1 |
| 12:31.57 | thewanderer1 | s5s: check with /sbin/ifconfig eth1 if you have an IP address |
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| 12:31.58 | abrotman | no .. e100? rtl8169 ? |
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| 12:32.20 | s5s | thewanderer1: and if I don't |
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| 12:32.37 | abrotman | you could answer me |
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| 12:32.59 | s5s | abrotman: no just eth1 and later I will add the driver for wifi |
| 12:33.17 | thewanderer1 | s5s: check what chip the device runs, as abrotman said |
| 12:33.34 | abrotman | s5s: i'm not asking about your wifi .. i want to know which Network Card you have |
| 12:34.19 | s5s | abrotman: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX |
| 12:34.36 | abrotman | s5s: lspci -nn .. what is the hex xxxx:xxxx at the end |
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| 12:35.35 | s5s | 14e4:170c |
| 12:35.42 | s5s | abrotman: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX [14e4:170c] (rev 02) |
| 12:36.06 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:170c |
| 12:36.07 | judd | [14e4:170c] is 'BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'b44' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:170c |
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| 12:36.32 | abrotman | so when the system boots, use 'lsmod | grep b44' .. is it loaded ? |
| 12:36.45 | abrotman | or use "dmesg | grep eth" to see if it is doing anything with it |
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| 12:38.10 | s5s | abrotman: and if it isn't loaded? Should I just echo b44 >> /etc/modules ? Would that fix it? |
| 12:38.34 | abrotman | it might .. it might not .. |
| 12:38.40 | abrotman | might be something else wrong |
| 12:38.52 | abrotman | (if the system thinks it shuld be using that, should be loading it) |
| 12:39.03 | s5s | abrotman: hmmm I'll go and check. Never expected wired not to be working... |
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| 12:39.16 | abrotman | s5s: the dmesg command might be more useful |
| 12:39.41 | s5s | abrotman: I'll have a look at it as well but didn't notice any problems on boot |
| 12:39.56 | abrotman | it might just be a single like like 'eth0: link not ready" |
| 12:40.37 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Can somebody me remind the name of a program used to control (slow down) system fan speeds? |
| 12:41.02 | s5s | abrotman: OK I'll reboot and see what's wrong. Thanks. I'll come and share what I've found |
| 12:41.02 | abrotman | hid3: apt-cache search fan speed? |
| 12:41.45 | s5s | hid3: as far as I remember it is not a good idea but I think there is a module which might work for you but it might not - depends on hardware |
| 12:42.01 | eide | I just updated my testing install, and it did something with grub where I had to choose which partitions I wanted to install grub onto. Afterwords, the grub installer printed a warning that installin grub on the partition as opposed to the MBR was quote "a bad idea". Now when I try to boot, grub enters rescue mode with the message "'grub_xputs' not found" |
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| 12:44.32 | hid3 | s5s: I have an old IBM 300PL, it shuts off the fan speed by default, the BIOS used to control it. But since I installed Coppermine CPU there, it runs full speed regardless of the CPu temperature |
| 12:44.42 | hid3 | So I don't think it is bad idea to control it |
| 12:44.45 | hid3 | abrotman: yeah... |
| 12:47.03 | abrotman | hid3: normally ACPI does it magically... look for a BIOS update ? |
| 12:47.33 | foetus | to thewanderer1: tar issue with parents solved by doing 'cp -rvf --parents --preserve=all' using 'mktemp -d' and tarring all together. thanks again. |
| 12:48.06 | thewanderer1 | foetus: ha, now that is a nice workaround :P |
| 12:48.24 | thewanderer1 | (you have to give your hard disk holding /tmp a payrise) |
| 12:48.28 | foetus | thewanderer1: ah |
| 12:48.34 | hid3 | abrotman: for a PC made in 1998 ...? The latest BIOS is 2001/07/20, which I already have... |
| 12:48.48 | foetus | thewanderer1: so - why not use cp :) |
| 12:49.27 | fxiny | torpedotux: two questions : are you using grub or grub2 ? ext3 or ext4 ? |
| 12:49.29 | abrotman | hid3: maybe it's APM ? |
| 12:51.34 | hid3 | Still I think it is under control of the BIOS because it slows down or spins up the CPU even if the OS is not booted. I tried heating the original CPU and the fan comes on... I bet now it spins all the time because of unsupported CPU microcode |
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| 12:55.33 | johaBBa | i'm using lvm+encryption partitioning setup. is there a way to image my system without just dd entire drive (including encrypted blank space)? |
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| 12:57.15 | thewanderer1 | johaBBa: you can always copy the system at file level instead of block level |
| 12:57.21 | thewanderer1 | tar it up or so |
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| 12:57.40 | johaBBa | thewanderer1, hrm....how would recovery go for that? |
| 12:57.41 | fxiny | johaBBa: yes tar , i dd my LUKS (no LVM) and back up the encrypted / with dump after mount it it from another partition |
| 12:58.37 | fxiny | johaBBa: i have a small base install + utils "maintenance" partition for backing up |
| 12:59.25 | johaBBa | fxiny, interesting.... |
| 13:00.06 | johaBBa | my boot isn't encrypted....i could image that to bootable media |
| 13:00.20 | johaBBa | then make encrypted lvm and tar back stuff |
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| 13:00.47 | johaBBa | thx for the ideas all. |
| 13:01.08 | fxiny | johaBBa: boot is not encrypted , i was told initram can do what i want (a mainenance only boot) , but i never tryied |
| 13:01.20 | fxiny | tried* |
| 13:01.49 | johaBBa | i'll look into that. i'm used to using clonezilla and mondorescue |
| 13:02.10 | johaBBa | i finally decided to encrypt but now i need easy restores |
| 13:02.14 | fxiny | partimage can't do encrypted partition |
| 13:02.19 | johaBBa | ya :\ |
| 13:03.02 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 13:03.19 | fxiny | johaBBa: decided to encrypt ? i just set the encryption layer up and clone my etch , upgraded to lenny fine |
| 13:03.43 | johaBBa | i held off because i couldn't think of a easy way to restore |
| 13:03.51 | fxiny | johaBBa: i mean . you can start from scrtch or just do a cloning . it takes few minutes |
| 13:04.15 | johaBBa | but i came here for smarter ppl now i have some ideas :) |
| 13:04.43 | fxiny | but as i said . no lvm |
| 13:05.18 | johaBBa | i can probably manually (or script) set that up with your maintenance boot idea |
| 13:05.41 | johaBBa | hrm. i gotta encrypt that tar too |
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| 13:06.00 | johaBBa | ths is a fun project :) |
| 13:06.06 | fxiny | johaBBa: and sanitize , i like scrub for that |
| 13:06.22 | johaBBa | writes notes. |
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| 13:08.39 | foetus | if there were a smart way to tell dd skip empty sectors or something - that would be nice, however.. |
| 13:09.00 | fxiny | yes there is |
| 13:09.23 | fxiny | i was told here . looking for my notes |
| 13:09.42 | foetus | fxiny: ah. |
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| 13:11.34 | foetus | but -- lets enjoy the nice weather, till later, bye |
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| 13:13.37 | johaBBa | hrm...to dd an encrypted sector will look like it has something whether it has 0 or data |
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| 13:14.58 | fxiny | can't be done with encrypted partition , with a normal partition zeroing the unused space will reduce dd image |
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| 13:16.28 | fxiny | because you will gzip it after and comprsessing zero will be easy |
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| 13:16.50 | fxiny | can't find my notes |
| 13:16.52 | johaBBa | true |
| 13:16.58 | fxiny | sunday :P |
| 13:17.06 | johaBBa | ya...wife calls... |
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| 13:17.22 | johaBBa | thanks for the tips. i will try to report back. but it may be a few days. |
| 13:17.41 | fxiny | good luck |
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| 13:35.04 | pallgone | how much does debian contribute to GNOME? |
| 13:35.42 | abrotman | in what way? |
| 13:36.06 | pallgone | http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2010/07/28/gnome-census/ |
| 13:36.41 | thrice` | anyone know what's going on with the daily builds? I'd like to install squeeze, but can't find the appropriate media :> |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | for which arch ? |
| 13:37.14 | thrice` | amd64 |
| 13:37.34 | thrice` | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/ are empty, same for the installer kernels |
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| 13:38.52 | metalfoo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 13:39.23 | abrotman | thrice`: it's possible the daily failed to build |
| 13:39.34 | abrotman | pallgone: there is a #debian-gnome on irc.oftc.net IIRC |
| 13:39.57 | thrice` | metalfoo, well, typically I've been using the netiso, which isn't in the weekly :( |
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| 13:41.18 | metalfoo | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:41.43 | thrice` | metalfoo, right - similar story: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 13:41.50 | thrice` | (clicking under the daily) |
| 13:42.26 | metalfoo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso whats the problem with that one? |
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| 13:43.15 | thrice` | mm, I guess I could; it's quite old, so would involve quite the package download compared to something recent |
| 13:43.28 | pallgone | or just get the netboot, then you will get all the new stuff |
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| 13:43.39 | abrotman | or just wait a day or two |
| 13:44.21 | metalfoo | Why do you care how old they are? Just install it and make an apt-get upgrade afterwards. |
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| 13:44.42 | abrotman | well, that alpha1 uses hte -trunk- which for some reason, the grub2 packages can't figure out it's older than the -5- |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | and you should be using aptitude :) |
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| 13:44.58 | thrice` | indeed |
| 13:45.08 | utabak | Upgrade to testing broke the keyboard and mouse input, I guess this is related to udev, still searching for a fix and ideas on the fix |
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| 13:45.52 | thrice` | utabak, using which driver, evdev? |
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| 13:46.15 | bezaban | why aptitude over apt-get? Thought it was just a personal preference thing |
| 13:46.29 | metalfoo | It is. |
| 13:46.33 | utabak | thrice`: good question, I am not sure |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | it's not |
| 13:46.48 | metalfoo | It is mostly. |
| 13:46.54 | abrotman | bezaban: aptitude has far far better problem resolution |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | no, it's not |
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| 13:47.16 | bezaban | I see.. |
| 13:47.25 | abrotman | !tell bezaban about why aptitude |
| 13:47.28 | bezaban | I'll google it |
| 13:47.32 | bezaban | or that. great. ty |
| 13:47.48 | thrice` | mm, I found a recent firmware-testing image, I'll give that a spin |
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| 13:48.13 | bezaban | a better search function sounds good as well. |
| 13:48.34 | abrotman | it's a little trickier, but it can do a lot more |
| 13:48.43 | bezaban | just as long as it aint dselect |
| 13:48.53 | bezaban | ;) |
| 13:49.21 | torpedotux | fxiny: grub. i had a bit of hitch with grub2 (my other rig uses it..) |
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| 13:52.40 | fxiny | torpedotux: you upgraded to squeeze , everything is fine , grub + ext3 , ok tx :) |
| 13:53.09 | torpedotux | fxiny: always felt @ home with grub 0.97 ;) that'll be sweet |
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| 13:53.15 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 13:55.49 | fxiny | torpedotux: yes , i prefere skipping grub2 and ext4 , i want a testing up |
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| 14:02.12 | rozie | hi, quick question about (g)vim and spellcheck. I'm trying to add PL language to Gvim. I installed aspell-pl package. Then tools -> spell check -> find more languages. Gives me nothing. Anything else should I check? Debian Squeeze. |
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| 14:02.36 | rozie | I get 'Could not find other spell files' |
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| 14:08.35 | pallgone | ah, I found out who is to blame for metacity: redhat |
| 14:09.06 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:10.27 | fxiny | redhat is the first contributor to gnome |
| 14:11.32 | pallgone | yeah, and also for lot of other stuff: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions |
| 14:11.34 | fxiny | iirc 16% against ubu 1% , read it on the news last week |
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| 14:13.46 | abrotman | fxiny: he linked to that earlier |
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| 14:15.09 | fxiny | abrotman: yes ? ok tx , didn't noticed it , i know some redhat users or dev started some kind of wasr against ubu , heavy words all about business |
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| 14:15.23 | abrotman | oh well .. |
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| 14:16.30 | pi1vMWSmK0cm | Today,+they+enjoy+life+in+urban+centers,+often+living+10+to+a+den.+Sadly,+captivity+and+inbreeding+has+caused+their+learning+ability+to+be+suppressed+and+their+baser+instincts+to+be+more+pronounced.+Often,+they+will+rely+on+the+gatherings+of+other+species+to+survive.+Utilizing+their+natural+nocturnal+abilities,+they+stalk,+undetected,+through+the+habitats+of+these+other+species,+procuring+what+it+necessary+to+survi |
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| 14:16.37 | pi1vMWSmK0cm | Anime+characters+gone+wild.+Non+stop+hardcore+erotic+anime+moments+captured+on+film,+Shockingly+hot+steamy+scenes+of+famous+anime+characters+exploring+wild+sexual+fantasies.+Warning:+Anime+Fiction+contains+explicit+raunchy+content+(yeah+baby!)+and+is+definitely+not+suitable+for+a+candlelit+romantic+evening+with+a+loved+one,+unless+you+both+like+watching+anime+characters+get+it+on! |
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| 14:16.58 | abrotman | eh .. fail |
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| 14:17.08 | fxiny | abrotman: and someonelse was blabbing about tribalism , which is pathetic and similar to this banana repuclic pm speaches |
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| 14:18.28 | pallgone | fxiny: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/439 |
| 14:18.32 | fxiny | abrotman: debian is a sane world , i just read thius news because they (business corp) are spamming , can't even laugh , too sad |
| 14:19.01 | thrice` | is indifferent about gnome |
| 14:19.31 | abrotman | fxiny: i'm sure why anyone was surprised .. but oh well |
| 14:19.35 | fxiny | pallgone: i will never read that , there is a man here called berlus* which uses the same strategy against anyone opposing him |
| 14:19.52 | pallgone | shuttleworth: "I would like to say this to everyone who feels associated with Ubuntu: hold fast to what you know to be true." |
| 14:20.00 | pallgone | lol |
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| 14:20.14 | olorin_ | Send him up again, and this time he stays. |
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| 14:21.04 | pallgone | I think I've read enough of the guy know that reassures me of dropping ubuntu |
| 14:21.09 | pallgone | *now |
| 14:21.12 | abrotman | anyways .. back to Debian ... |
| 14:21.26 | pallgone | abrotman: yes? |
| 14:21.31 | abrotman | or go gab in #debian-offtopic .. that's what it is there for |
| 14:22.06 | fxiny | abrotman: yes , last safe world for me , i'm talking about news , was Paul Graham hn . but then they are spamming even there with the same link pallgone posted here |
| 14:22.19 | fxiny | pallgone: not saying you are spamming :) |
| 14:22.21 | abrotman | fxiny: #debian-offtopic |
| 14:22.38 | fxiny | abrotman: you there ? |
| 14:22.43 | abrotman | are you? |
| 14:23.01 | fxiny | only if you are there i will join |
| 14:23.13 | fxiny | or i'll shut the f* up here |
| 14:23.23 | abrotman | fxiny: I am not going through this again with you .. either go in there to chat or shut up |
| 14:23.35 | fxiny | abrotman: no porbs |
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| 14:24.09 | abrotman | fxiny: there are tons of people in there just like you, nothing better to do than chat :) |
| 14:24.16 | thewanderer1 | what modules should I load on Debian to get ipv6 -m state support in ip6tables? |
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| 14:25.05 | abrotman | !tell thewanderer1 about ipv6 |
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| 14:25.43 | thewanderer1 | thanks, I'll browse the kernel module directories... |
| 14:26.21 | fxiny | abrotman: no , i like peace . i will try to keep calm and on topic , don't want to go in there |
| 14:26.46 | abrotman | is skeptical .. and thinks fxiny should go in #debian-offtopic to see what it's like |
| 14:28.13 | thewanderer1 | ERROR: Your kernel/iptables do not include state match support. No version of Shorewall will run on this system -- this is what I get when I try to run shorewall6 |
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| 14:30.37 | fxiny | abrotman: no , my problem is staying on topic , and i will try hard . when enouf will be back i will join any off-topic |
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| 14:31.38 | pallgone | I think abrotman went biking |
| 14:32.00 | fxiny | pallgone: becasue is fat ;) |
| 14:32.45 | pallgone | fxiny: so come to #debian-offtopic, we can chat a bit there |
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| 14:34.56 | torpedotux | lol |
| 14:35.13 | torpedotux | btw, i am superfit! |
| 14:35.15 | torpedotux | :D |
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| 14:37.10 | thewanderer1 | how come shorewall is telling me "Your kernel/iptables do not include state match support"? |
| 14:37.28 | shylent | well, maybe it doesnt? |
| 14:38.22 | fxiny | thewanderer1: which version ? 4.4.11-1~bpo50+1 here -> deb http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian/ lenny main |
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| 14:38.44 | thewanderer1 | version 4.4.11-1 |
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| 14:39.07 | thewanderer1 | shylent, fxiny: shorewall runs just fine, only shorewall6 complains about missing state match |
| 14:39.08 | jordanm | fxiny: I am late to the convo, but I actually just met that guy two days ago... whats that for? |
| 14:39.12 | fxiny | same here . it workde fine with a bpo .32 kernel too |
| 14:39.25 | thewanderer1 | er... |
| 14:39.28 | thewanderer1 | kernel 2.6.32 |
| 14:39.28 | fxiny | jordanm: thay guy ? who ? |
| 14:39.41 | jordanm | fxiny: roberto |
| 14:39.43 | uwjesd | I have installed newest python with checkinstall on lenny and now I have a lot of broken dependencies. How can I repair this. I would not mind getting rid of this newly installed python version at all. |
| 14:39.56 | fxiny | jordanm: oh . my tx to him for providing it ! |
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| 14:40.17 | jordanm | still doesn't know what it is. |
| 14:40.41 | jordanm | hehe, I am in the middle of a lenny->squeeze upgrade and my machine is half-broken atm, no web browser.. or right clicking |
| 14:41.07 | thewanderer1 | guys, should this work? ip6tables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 14:41.52 | metalfoo | As a single rule probably useless, but yes. |
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| 14:42.23 | thewanderer1 | # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6 is not set -- craaaaaaaaap |
| 14:42.31 | uwjesd | Guys then I have to renmove every python programm on my machine then. Have a nice day. |
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| 14:42.42 | thewanderer1 | this is the stock Debian kernel, is someone making fun of me? |
| 14:42.58 | lord_rob | FAQ found with google |
| 14:43.07 | lord_rob | sorry wrong chan |
| 14:43.30 | thewanderer1 | why wouldn't Debian kernel have IPv6 conntrack? |
| 14:43.35 | shylent | woah, that is kinda crap |
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| 14:43.48 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i use roberto nice packaged shorewall to skip tracking rtorrent dht -> NOTRACK , i have DISABLE_IPV6=No |
| 14:44.16 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: the problem is in the kernel. someone in Debian decided they would not include IPv6 conntrack... what the... |
| 14:44.45 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i have scripts to integrate snort , sshblack and psad , pretty nice firewall |
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| 14:44.55 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: er, not at all |
| 14:45.12 | fxiny | why not ? the perl version is amazing |
| 14:45.14 | thewanderer1 | this is a router machine |
| 14:45.16 | thrice` | thewanderer1, try zgrep -i conntrack_ipv6 /proc/config.gz ? |
| 14:45.32 | thewanderer1 | gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory |
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| 14:45.53 | thewanderer1 | /boot/config* says it's not there, though |
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| 14:46.06 | fxiny | jordanm: if you see roberto again tell him debian users appreciate he's sharing attitude |
| 14:46.26 | thewanderer1 | uh, I hate recompiling the Debian kernel |
| 14:46.51 | fxiny | mee too . i'm back with the stock kernel |
| 14:47.02 | thewanderer1 | this is mad - stock kernel without IPv6 conntrack |
| 14:47.15 | jordanm | fxiny: ah, I probably won't since debconf is now over |
| 14:47.37 | fxiny | thewanderer1: hahah , we started cursing ipv6 later on :) |
| 14:47.52 | thewanderer1 | can I compile the module instead of compiling the whole kernel? |
| 14:47.53 | fxiny | jordanm: ok |
| 14:47.58 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: What kernel do you use? (I have lenny here and it has ipv6 conntrack as module). |
| 14:48.09 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 |
| 14:48.43 | shylent | thewanderer1: wait, is this in the *guest*? |
| 14:48.46 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 14:48.51 | thewanderer1 | I'm not that stupid |
| 14:49.01 | shylent | thewanderer1: well, come on, everyone forgets things |
| 14:49.06 | fxiny | heheh |
| 14:49.06 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Squeeze? .. no ipv6 conntrack sounds a little weird. Better open a bug. |
| 14:49.06 | jordanm | fxiny: el_cubano in #debian-devel if you want to thank him yourself |
| 14:49.10 | thewanderer1 | okay, good to check anyway |
| 14:49.14 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: yes, Squeeze |
| 14:49.35 | WormFood | the sound recorder applet says 'Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them with the "Sound Preferences" under the System-Preferences menu.', but I'll be god damned if I can figure out what the hell it wants. Skype (yes, I know, it is a heaping pile of shit), sounds like I'm recording at 44Khz, and playing back at 22Khz....anyone have a clue what is going on? |
| 14:49.40 | fxiny | jordanm: i'll quick jump there |
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| 14:50.41 | jordanm | fxiny: (on oftc) |
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| 14:51.42 | RichiH | is lm-sensors still the way to go to read out cpu temp etc? |
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| 14:52.30 | jordanm | RichiH: yes, but there are graphical interfaces to it |
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| 14:53.11 | fxiny | jordanm: done , fast as a torpedo :) |
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| 14:54.23 | thewanderer1 | should "Checking for newer versions at packages.debian.org..." take ages in reportbug? |
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| 14:54.58 | iceroot | is there a reason why security-patches for mediawiki are not ported back from the debian-team to 1.12? there are 3 cross site scripting possibilites in mediawiki 1.15 and 1.16 which also affect 1.12 but the patches are not made for that version |
| 14:55.08 | iceroot | 1.12 is the version from lenny |
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| 14:55.56 | jordanm | iceroot: its possible that the change to fix it were to severe, or it could be because mediawiki is RFA or O or something like that |
| 14:56.12 | jordanm | IIRC, it was RFA |
| 14:56.25 | iceroot | RFA? |
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| 14:56.56 | demoneye | I'm getting "No default or UI configuration directive found! boot:".. |
| 14:57.42 | i_am_error | i have no sound. i just did a base lenny netinst. installed xfce an alsa meta package. am i missing some libs? |
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| 14:58.15 | thewanderer1 | i_am_error: linux-sound-base |
| 14:58.27 | i_am_error | thewanderer1: gotcha |
| 14:58.41 | jordanm | iceroot: request for adoption. I just checked, and it was not the case though. its just some mediawiki extras that are rfa |
| 14:59.41 | iceroot | jordanm: ah ok, thank you for the info |
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| 15:00.12 | thewanderer1 | guys, what is this: ** Tainted: W (512) ? |
| 15:00.30 | jordanm | thewanderer1: on a kernel bug report? |
| 15:00.35 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 15:00.56 | jordanm | thewanderer1: it means you have a 3rd party module loaded into your kernel, and upstream won't bother to look at your report |
| 15:01.09 | thewanderer1 | and how do I find out what actually taints my kernel? |
| 15:01.22 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I thought that it normally said... |
| 15:01.39 | thewanderer1 | ** Tainted: W (512) |
| 15:01.39 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.40 | jordanm | not sure, on my report it specified that the nvidia driver was tainting my kernel |
| 15:03.09 | i_am_error | thewanderer1: still no sound D: |
| 15:03.16 | thewanderer1 | oh, 512 means that a kernel warning has tainted my kernel |
| 15:03.22 | thewanderer1 | no wonder, my ACPI is broken... |
| 15:03.39 | thewanderer1 | nevertheless, I'm filing the bug report which is only related to kernel config |
| 15:03.42 | demoneye | guys, what will happen if I click on debian's, "setup.exe" and install it on ubntu will that make a partition'ed (OS)? |
| 15:04.04 | thewanderer1 | i_am_error: try to reboot perhaps |
| 15:04.13 | thewanderer1 | i_am_error: or... turn up the volume? :) |
| 15:04.29 | Arrowmaster | demoneye: .exe's are ment to be run on windows |
| 15:04.43 | jordanm | demoneye: debian's setup.exe? where did you find something like that?? |
| 15:05.00 | demoneye | umm, I got wine installed on ubuntu |
| 15:05.02 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: http://goodbye-windows.com, I think |
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| 15:05.29 | demoneye | and when I click it a dialog box pops-up |
| 15:05.29 | jordanm | yeah, thats not really "debian's", thats goodbye-windows's |
| 15:05.35 | demoneye | oh |
| 15:05.54 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it will do anything |
| 15:06.03 | jordanm | although I have seen it recommended here before, I am not sure if there is anyone here who could support it |
| 15:06.15 | demoneye | but why am I getting this error? |
| 15:06.19 | demoneye | oppss. I'm getting "No default or UI configuration directive |
| 15:06.28 | demoneye | I'm getting "No default or UI configuration directive found! boot:".. |
| 15:06.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont think anybody sane would support it in wine |
| 15:06.30 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: is it any problem for you to install Debian using Ubuntu's tools? |
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| 15:07.04 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: or even without them it's possible - you need to download/build a chroot and start from there |
| 15:07.31 | demoneye | pardon me, how do I do that? |
| 15:07.59 | kizzo | Sid would be recommended if I wanted to help out with testing/improving Xen4 + Debian dom0 ? |
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| 15:08.08 | demoneye | debootstrap? |
| 15:08.11 | i_am_error | thewanderer1: did that twice already. vol 100% ): at least the keyboard bell works! |
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| 15:08.53 | jordanm | kizzo: at this point now that squeeze is frozen, I would say no. run testing and try to resolve current bug reports in that |
| 15:08.56 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: yes, debootstrap |
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| 15:09.17 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: I don't know whether Ubuntu's debootstrap supports Debian - you have to check that - at least I'm sure Debian's one supports Ubuntu ;P |
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| 15:10.00 | demoneye | Ok, so chan I like.. use Debian Live, then chroot from there? It will then overwrite Ubuntu, correct (HDD)? |
| 15:10.09 | demoneye | chan/can |
| 15:10.12 | jordanm | its just a bash script, so you can grab it from debian if needed |
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| 15:10.37 | jordanm | demoneye: if you are wanting to get rid of ubuntu and replace it with debian, just use the regular debian installer |
| 15:10.41 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: no need to use debian-live, and it will not overwrite anything |
| 15:10.50 | thewanderer1 | unless you tell it to ^.- |
| 15:11.26 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: you prepare your partition and filesystem yourself the way you want to |
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| 15:14.08 | demoneye | jordanm: I have a copy of debian on cd which I burn'ed a few hours ago, but when I run it (boot), it gets stuck in the CD-rom thing, you know that thing that right after it prompts you 'which language do you prefer?' |
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| 15:14.36 | mechbangirc | hi channel |
| 15:14.59 | demoneye | so I copy'ed all files from that debian cd to my pendrive, when I boot it it says No default or UI config etc.. |
| 15:15.11 | pallgone | demoneye: you should be able to keep the /home directory from ubuntu and squeeze squeeze over it... worked quite well for me |
| 15:15.34 | thewanderer1 | demoneye: it's not supposed to work like this - refer to the Debian manual |
| 15:15.41 | guysoft42 | hi all, is sidux's repositories like debian? |
| 15:16.06 | thewanderer1 | guysoft42: they use the same format and .deb packages, if that's what you mean... |
| 15:16.21 | demoneye | ok, let me try for the last time :`( |
| 15:16.37 | guysoft42 | thewanderer1, i ment if they have the same repositions, if i can use sidux to install debian |
| 15:17.01 | thewanderer1 | guysoft42: no, you can not, you have to refer to Debian repositories to install Debian |
| 15:17.07 | guysoft42 | the past years i used knoppix to install debian and MEPIS.. but now they are not really options |
| 15:17.16 | thrice` | argh, I hate pidgin's dep chain in debian |
| 15:17.16 | guysoft42 | thewanderer1, ok.. |
| 15:17.26 | thewanderer1 | guysoft42: you can use debootstrap from sidux to install Debian, though |
| 15:17.32 | thewanderer1 | if you can handle manual configuration |
| 15:18.01 | guysoft42 | thewanderer1, i can.. yes, because i have debian. but i have a friend that wants to install it, and she has no debian system to bootstrap from |
| 15:18.19 | guysoft42 | thewanderer1, also i dont think she can handle installing grub on her own |
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| 15:18.53 | thewanderer1 | guysoft42: then get and burn a CD, or make an installation pendrive :P |
| 15:19.09 | elik | I'm trying t use hd-media to install debian from a USB drive. I can get hd-media to boot, but it say it can't find the iso image |
| 15:19.28 | guysoft42 | thewanderer1, but debian is a lot of disks and options.. i want it to be as simple as possible |
| 15:19.31 | elik | thewanderer1, interesting, I'm trying to do precisely that, but... ^ :D |
| 15:19.34 | thewanderer1 | elik: everyone seems to be running into this problem these days, yet I still have no idea |
| 15:19.49 | thewanderer1 | guysoft42: oh, are you mentioning Ubuntu? :P |
| 15:20.02 | mechbangirc | I have two network cards installed on lenny. [eth0 => 192.168.1.10] and [eth1 => 192.168.1.9]. I want to have eth1 as my primary interface to internet. However in my routing table both interfaces have a gateway route entry set, what should I do? |
| 15:20.15 | thewanderer1 | guysoft42: if you look hard over the net, there is some userspace installer for Debian - try that out |
| 15:20.30 | guysoft42 | thewanderer1, i said i want DEBIAN repositories.. not ubuntu |
| 15:21.05 | elik | thewanderer1, I downloaded the hd-media from the i386 branch, but trying to install ia64 version. Could it be the problem? |
| 15:21.15 | thewanderer1 | elik: yes |
| 15:21.15 | elik | thewanderer1, because there is no hd-media in ia64 |
| 15:21.23 | guysoft42 | thewanderer1, brb (have to install a new driver here) |
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| 15:22.04 | thewanderer1 | elik: why are you installing ia64? |
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| 15:22.21 | elik | thewanderer1, because I have a 64 bits machine |
| 15:22.33 | thewanderer1 | elik: Intel Itanium 64? |
| 15:22.40 | jordanm | elik: ia64 is for intel itanium CPUs. you probably want amd64 |
| 15:22.49 | jordanm | !ia64 |
| 15:22.49 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 15:23.17 | mechbangirc | here is the result of ifconfig and route -n http://pastebin.ca/1913283 |
| 15:23.24 | elik | Jordan_U, thewanderer1 hum, yeah, amd64 |
| 15:23.30 | elik | let's see if there is a hd-media for that |
| 15:23.36 | thewanderer1 | elik: there is... |
| 15:23.55 | thewanderer1 | if your machine was really ia64, it wouldn't boot from i386 media anyway :P |
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| 15:24.31 | elik | thewanderer1, ia64 has no support for 32 bits applications? |
| 15:24.53 | elik | thewanderer1, I have to say, I'm not exactly sure what's the deal between 32-64bits |
| 15:25.11 | pallgone | ia64 is 64-bit only AFAIK |
| 15:25.21 | pallgone | amd64 can handle 32-bit |
| 15:25.44 | elik | pallgone, so? it has an instruction set that can understand 32 bits operations or what? |
| 15:25.57 | thewanderer1 | elik: exactly :P |
| 15:26.09 | elik | ok, fair enough |
| 15:27.02 | elik | let's give that hd-media from amd64 a try |
| 15:27.14 | gnarface | elik: it actually is better than that, it can process TWO 32-bit instructions simultaneously through it's 64-bit registers. |
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| 15:27.41 | elik | gnarface, more bangs for your bucks! how about that |
| 15:27.48 | gnarface | there is a notable performance improvement running many 32-bit binaries |
| 15:28.00 | elik | gnarface, cool, I'll have to read more on that topic |
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| 15:41.46 | thrice` | mm, how can the installer support WEP, but not wpa ! |
| 15:42.10 | bzed | easily. |
| 15:42.15 | dvs | thrice`: that got to me too!!! |
| 15:42.26 | thrice` | who honestly uses wep over wpa these days? how archaic |
| 15:42.28 | bzed | configuring wep is just a question of using iwconfig. |
| 15:42.43 | bzed | wpa needs wpa-supplicant and a lot of additional mess |
| 15:42.45 | thrice` | and wpa just a matter of an echo to a wpa_supplicant template |
| 15:42.46 | hid3 | How do I enable/disable the monitor blanking to black after X minutes? |
| 15:43.33 | thrice` | bzed, sorry, incredibly lame excuse :p |
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| 15:44.26 | bzed | thrice`: send patches if you think it is easy to fix. |
| 15:44.35 | zorrolero | hid3: man xset |
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| 15:45.23 | thrice` | I didn't say that; the fact that including something very minimally used compared to wpa, only becasue it's "easier" is kinda lame |
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| 15:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | thrice`, plus, when you've fixed it, I bet you get lots and lots of email from people telling you how grateful they are to you and that they want to give you money or a gift or something |
| 15:46.41 | gnarface | thrice`: have you considered that it might be because it was already there years before WPA existed? or are you suggesting that now that WPA exists, WEP should be removed from the installer in shame? |
| 15:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I bet... say... a used condom... |
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| 15:47.19 | thrice` | gnarface, no, my point was that if something like wpa is much more widely used, it might make sense to explore, no? |
| 15:47.27 | thrice` | CutMeOwnThroat, already done, it seems: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-eeepc-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg03094.html |
| 15:47.49 | thrice` | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2009/12/msg00364.html patch even |
| 15:48.09 | dvs | gnarface: the Debian wireless wiki doesn't support setting up WEP. Why should the installer? |
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| 15:49.48 | gnarface | didn't even know there was a debian wireless wiki |
| 15:49.55 | visof | hello |
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| 15:50.01 | dvs | gnarface: wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 15:50.11 | visof | how can i scan wifi networks via command line ? |
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| 15:50.45 | thrice` | depends - either using the 'iw' package, or wireless-tools package. I think the former is prefered these days |
| 15:50.46 | torpedotux | visof: man iwlist |
| 15:50.51 | AimHere | iwlist <network name> scanning |
| 15:50.58 | AimHere | or use the man page first, as torpedotux says |
| 15:51.10 | Mike__ | hi. when i run this shell script like: ./script start it returns start not found. why ? http://pastebin.com/EZZ7w4Xj |
| 15:51.30 | thrice` | Mike__, ls -l script ? |
| 15:52.30 | Mike__ | the permissions are good. |
| 15:52.33 | fxiny | Mike__: stat -c %a script ? |
| 15:52.48 | Mike__ | 777 |
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| 15:55.33 | dvs | Mike__: shouldn't there be a semicolon after the "]" ? |
| 15:55.53 | visof | torpedotux: how can i connect to specific wifi network from the result of iwlist wlan0 scanning ? |
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| 15:56.19 | thrice` | visof, depends if it's encrypted or not |
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| 15:57.17 | visof | thrice`: Encryption key:on |
| 15:57.21 | Mike__ | dvs: now i have writed a semicolon after it but it says again [start not found |
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| 15:57.53 | thrice` | visof, wep, or wpa ? |
| 15:58.27 | thrice` | IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1 something like that should be in the output |
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| 15:58.49 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:59.17 | thrice` | visof, ok, so you'll have to setup wpasupplicant. you know the password, right? :) |
| 15:59.32 | visof | thrice`: IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1 |
| 15:59.39 | jordanm | visof: while you can always use iwlist, and iwconfig, etc. IMO its sucks... you may find something like wicd's curses interface to be ideal |
| 15:59.45 | visof | thrice`: i know it |
| 16:00.12 | jordanm | it is available from lenny-backports if you are running stable |
| 16:00.30 | fxiny | Mike__: if [ "$1" = "start" ]; |
| 16:00.52 | Mike__ | the problem was that i must write(notice the change at if): http://pastebin.com/0pv2k0j0 |
| 16:01.02 | thrice` | visof, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant is pretty easy, imo |
| 16:01.24 | Mike__ | fxiny: thanks! I have noticed it too! |
| 16:01.36 | fxiny | Mike__: np |
| 16:02.01 | foetus | back again - with a new server system:) |
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| 16:02.24 | dockimble | would debian sarge run on a 486 with 8mb of ram? |
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| 16:02.48 | foetus | uff.. |
| 16:02.57 | dockimble | or would woody be better |
| 16:03.49 | fxiny | iirc potato can run with 32 |
| 16:04.11 | fxiny | but i never had the pleasure of running potato |
| 16:04.17 | alcy | mikeos should work good :) |
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| 16:04.43 | Mike__ | fxiny: echo -n is echo with newline ? |
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| 16:05.01 | jordanm | Mike__: "help echo" |
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| 16:05.35 | Mike__ | jordanm: RTFM, sry for it :D |
| 16:05.36 | dockimble | can mikeos detect ethernet adapters? |
| 16:05.45 | Mike__ | jordanm: sure, for me |
| 16:05.53 | torpedotux | note to self: put a note on each freaking CDs. label it! |
| 16:05.56 | jordanm | Mike__: well, many might not have known that echo is a builtin, and is not "man echo" |
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| 16:06.06 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: Actually, what's better than old releases is a new release of a distro built for old hardware. |
| 16:06.24 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: DSL, Puppy, and Vintage are alll good choices. |
| 16:06.27 | jordanm | Mike__: there is "man echo", but that is not the echo you are using when you simply type "echo" into your shell |
| 16:06.44 | foetus | Mike__: (without), like do something...done. don't forget the following echo (empty). |
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| 16:06.47 | Mike__ | jordam: yes i see the difference |
| 16:07.02 | torpedotux | visof: i read you're using wpa. man wpa_supplicant |
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| 16:07.26 | alcy | dockimble, not sure but its a mature project. written in assembly I guess. not sure of your requirement though |
| 16:08.52 | pallgone | jhutchins_lt: hmm, vintage? |
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| 16:11.28 | foetus | whats the reason to bind openssh-server to X? I still cannot see any dependencies in the package. not very useful, imho.. |
| 16:12.14 | jordanm | foetus: the recommends on X libs? its required for x11 forwarding over ssh |
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| 16:13.11 | jordanm | foetus: if you install openssh-server with the -R (without recommends) option, you will not get it |
| 16:13.29 | jordanm | foetus: so basically its for the "-X" option, and perfectly fits into the definition of a recommends |
| 16:13.54 | foetus | jordanm, ok.. hmm.. |
| 16:14.52 | fxiny | recommended are something useful to know . most of the time i don't even know some recommeded package exist |
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| 16:15.47 | aPpYe | hmmm. what can I download to get trailers.apple.com to work with totem-plugin? I would rather not install mplayer and all that if I don't have to... I am running lenny |
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| 16:16.35 | jordanm | I think that it would be nice if aptitude had a feature to break it down. eg. the following packages are auto install depends: the following packages are auto install recommends:. currently it bundles them together |
| 16:17.12 | jordanm | (is referring to when you do aptitude install foo) |
| 16:17.12 | fxiny | oh yes , it would be nice |
| 16:18.34 | fxiny | sometimes i ask to my self whic was the (extra) recommended i skipped , i could keep better records with such a feature |
| 16:18.47 | aPpYe | I know that regular totem plugin works with more modern versions... I tried good, ugly, and base gstreamer plugins from backports and that did not work. |
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| 16:19.36 | aPpYe | anything else I can try with lenny? |
| 16:21.18 | foetus | jordanm: yes. i use apt-get, but its a personally thing. i find it more clean and functional, and -- it works well. i don't like aptitude too much. |
| 16:21.37 | aPpYe | I guess I have exhausted my how-many-questions-I-can-ask-per-month queue ... |
| 16:21.50 | foetus | :) |
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| 16:22.30 | jordanm | foetus: you are free to use whatever you want :). (but refrain from recommending it to others) |
| 16:22.48 | foetus | jordanm: of course. |
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| 16:23.14 | dockimble | how do you format a disk (3.5) in msdos filesystem? |
| 16:23.15 | gnarface | aPpYe: probably nothing will get that to work for you, but other media players that have been known to have support for non-free codecs include xine and vlc. and there's an iceweasel plugin for vlc |
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| 16:23.22 | jordanm | aPpYe: I don't do much in terms of multimedia, but maybe you need codecs from dmm? |
| 16:23.37 | fxiny | and a verebose log system like : aptitude -log install <packagename> , anything scrolling to the screen going to the log |
| 16:23.48 | thewanderer1 | dockimble: mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 or so |
| 16:24.13 | fxiny | date and time included |
| 16:24.15 | thewanderer1 | dockimble: also a short note: /dev/fd/ does NOT contain floppys. |
| 16:24.19 | dockimble | it says mkfs.vfat: command not found |
| 16:24.29 | thewanderer1 | dockimble: then you need to install it! :P |
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| 16:24.56 | thrice` | dockimble, do you have dosfstools ? |
| 16:25.27 | aPpYe | jordanm: okay, I will try that route. does it work the same as backports does where I need to pass a -t debian-multimedia to the command first, or will it just work automatically? |
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| 16:25.35 | gnarface | aPpYe: yea, like jordanm says, no matter what media player you use you'll probably need some non-free codecs in addition to just the stock player components. apple actively iterates it's standard movie format though and it's hard for open-source software to keep up with support of the latest versions. usually old stuff from a year or two ago works better than the new stuff they have on the trailers site |
| 16:25.52 | foetus | i must log out, have to sync something.. |
| 16:26.05 | jordanm | thrice`: if you didn't mention that, he might have also learned how to figure out which packages it was in.. (assuming he didn't already know) |
| 16:26.20 | thrice` | jordanm, sounds quite frustrating ;) |
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| 16:27.20 | jordanm | aPpYe: I am not sure what the default priority will be. man apt_preferences explains the priorities and how to change them. apt-cache policy to view them currently |
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| 16:30.16 | aPpYe | thanks guys, I will check this out. I am really trying to keep this machine as 'stock' as possible... |
| 16:30.53 | aPpYe | so how long does it normally take for an official release to appear after testing if frozen? I noticed squeeze is now frozen. |
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| 16:31.24 | dockimble | if a jump drive is mounted, how does one access it from the command line |
| 16:31.58 | pallgone | a jump drive? |
| 16:32.03 | dockimble | usb |
| 16:32.04 | dvs | pallgone: usb drive |
| 16:32.15 | fxiny | IMHO that is a function of quality , quality is time indipendent |
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| 16:32.57 | pallgone | dockimble: are you using gnome? |
| 16:33.04 | dockimble | no |
| 16:33.06 | dockimble | cl |
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| 16:33.26 | gnarface | cd [mount directory] |
| 16:33.45 | pallgone | well, check which drive, mount, play |
| 16:33.46 | jordanm | dockimble: if it is mounted you just write to place where it is mounted. you can view this using the "mount" or "df" commands |
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| 16:34.49 | aPpYe | well, how long after etch was frozen did it get released? What about lenny? Just wanting to get a feel for it... |
| 16:35.08 | thrice` | i'd guess a couple months |
| 16:35.10 | gnarface | dockimble: i would advize that you familiarize yourself in detail with the various tools in /bin provided by the coreutils package. |
| 16:35.14 | dockimble | i just plugged it in, what do i need to do for the commandline now |
| 16:35.25 | jordanm | !lenny |
| 16:35.25 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.5>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 16:35.36 | dockimble | !woody |
| 16:35.36 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . Ask me about <woody sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 16:35.58 | jordanm | aPpYe: lenny froze is aug of 08. but its all really dependant on how long it takes to fix those rc bugs |
| 16:36.10 | pallgone | dockimble: first step: fdisk -l |
| 16:36.22 | pallgone | identify the drive |
| 16:37.02 | pallgone | you have to watch out for the partition |
| 16:37.45 | dvs | why not mount? |
| 16:38.27 | pallgone | so it might be: /dev/sdbX, hence: mount /dev/sdbX /mnt |
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| 16:38.37 | eldorel | Is there anyway to setup an alias in /etc/network/interfaces that isn't automatically started by /etc/init.d/network? I'm trying to prep for a hot switchover between 2 servers and would like to script everything ahead of time. I'm thinking I can use aliases for the ip's being switched and have a script that brings down eth0:0 and brings up eth0:1, but if there's a routing issue I need a restart to revert the old settings. |
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| 16:40.51 | jordanm | eldorel: disable the network startup script and run your own using if(up|down) using the --interfaces=file option could be one way to do it |
| 16:41.35 | eldorel | I considered that but wanted to check for an easier way first <grin>. |
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| 16:43.41 | aPpYe | lol ... so I shouldn't be expecting 6.0 by the end of the year or anything then ... |
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| 16:45.42 | jordanm | aPpYe: end of the year was my guess in the channel's "squeeze bet" |
| 16:45.53 | jordanm | but that was made sometime last year |
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| 16:48.31 | foetus | i have found it, to install sshd without X: apt-get --no-install-recommends install openssh-server - maybe, its useful. |
| 16:48.57 | fxiny | is not , aptitude -R is much easier |
| 16:49.11 | fxiny | it saves brain cells |
| 16:49.12 | foetus | fxiny: rrrr |
| 16:49.12 | jordanm | foetus: thats what -R does that I told you about long ago... |
| 16:49.16 | jordanm | oh, apt-get |
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| 16:49.32 | fxiny | foetus: :) |
| 16:49.42 | foetus | jordanm: YES! |
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| 16:52.04 | foetus | jordanm, fxiny: but, better not bind sshd to X. |
| 16:52.27 | eldorel | I figured it out, replacing "auto eth0:0" with "manual eth0:0" skips that interface on boot, but ifup eth0:0 brings it right up. |
| 16:52.55 | foetus | X depends on ssh, but not ssh on X, imho. |
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| 16:54.25 | eldorel | I was expecting the manual option to require hand scripting the ifconfig lines also, but apparently not. |
| 16:55.02 | demoneye | yay! I finally installed debian using the cd. Thanks all. |
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| 16:58.28 | foetus | another suggestion - sshd should be part of the netiso. |
| 16:58.35 | elik | I downloaded the squeeze version of hd-media and the netinstall iso, but when netboot loads the iso image, it complains about mismatch between the kernels (No kernel modules were found. This is probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive) |
| 16:59.11 | elik | I can continue without loading the kernel modules... but it fails at the next step: detecting the network card |
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| 17:02.43 | demoneye | but, why is my monitor res on debian '800x600'? (only two option given). Can someone help me configurating xorg.conf by adding an '1027x768' size resoloution? http://debian.pastebin.com/bacp0igZ |
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| 17:03.27 | demoneye | or this, is this one correct? http://debian.pastebin.com/8q4f2gZS |
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| 17:06.06 | gnarface | demoneye: you gotta find out your display's horizontal and vertical refresh rate ranges and plug them in too, probably |
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| 17:06.28 | gnarface | otherwise it just guesses and usually gets it wrong, having to fall back on some lower resolution |
| 17:06.32 | eldorel | the second example is closer to correct, you should be able to add th following under the device section to add more video options. |
| 17:06.32 | eldorel | SubSection "Display" |
| 17:06.33 | eldorel | Depth 24 |
| 17:06.33 | eldorel | Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "768x576" |
| 17:06.33 | eldorel | EndSubSection |
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| 17:07.46 | torpedotux | ubuntu netbook :B |
| 17:08.03 | demoneye | gnarface: ok, how do I check that? |
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| 17:08.24 | gnarface | demoneye: you have to consult the manufactuer's documentation. if you no longer have your manual ask google |
| 17:08.43 | jordanm | demoneye: 800x600 is the max resolution of vesa. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if you have fallen-back to vesa. what type of card? |
| 17:08.59 | gnarface | demoneye: if it's an old CRT and you're lucky the refresh rates might be printed on the back of the monitor |
| 17:09.11 | jordanm | gnarface: that should be all automagic these days |
| 17:09.15 | torpedotux | pheww.. none of my old distros (had to put it one by on on the freaking cd drive) supported ext4 booting... |
| 17:09.15 | FabParma | I have to sync files. Seen that I have to study from zero, do you suggest me "Rsync" or "Unison"? At the moment I need to sync locally, in the future if its possible ill syn via ssh and smb. What program to study? |
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| 17:10.08 | jordanm | FabParma: I would recommend rsync, but you should note that smb will not be preserving permissions |
| 17:10.17 | thewanderer1 | FabParma: rsync is more popular and has way more howtos |
| 17:10.19 | eldorel | are you syncing 2 systems, or more than 2? |
| 17:10.53 | jordanm | FabParma: there are also nice wrappers around rsync, such as rsnapshot, that work well without writting your own scripts |
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| 17:11.07 | pallgone | uhm, vesa should be able to do more than 800x600 |
| 17:11.17 | torpedotux | all of my 3 systems are up! :D yay! ubuntu,debian,debian :D |
| 17:11.35 | torpedotux | pallgone: i think it does 1024x648 |
| 17:11.38 | gnarface | jordanm: *should* being the operative word here. it actually *NEVER* works for me |
| 17:12.01 | pallgone | vbe 2.0 can do up to 1280x1024 |
| 17:12.06 | jordanm | gnarface: then we are quite different, because it has never not worked for me, since xserver 1.6 |
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| 17:13.17 | torpedotux | does anyone know bookmark syncing webapp? |
| 17:13.19 | FabParma | jordanm: thewanderer1 thaks |
| 17:13.23 | gnarface | jordanm: i've got a lot of old CRT's and video cards laying around here, and one very badly behaved ppc laptop |
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| 17:13.50 | jordanm | gnarface: ah, well I admit to not having even seen a CRT in ages |
| 17:13.54 | eldorel | jordanm: are you using an intel or matrox card? that's the only ones i've ever had consistently show more than 1024x768 with vesa. |
| 17:14.09 | gnarface | jordanm: it's also possible you're not verifying that your monitors are at optimal resolution/refresh rate too - which matters far less when you're not using a CRT |
| 17:14.26 | jordanm | eldorel: no, nearly all my machines have nvidia |
| 17:16.02 | jordanm | gnarface: well, its quite easy when optimal resolution/refresh is typically the max it can go |
| 17:17.13 | FabParma | jordanm: sorrry, just a question. moving ms files is there the risk to damage the formatting or other using "rsync"? |
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| 17:18.16 | FabParma | or permission or simbolic links |
| 17:18.39 | jordanm | FabParma: ms files? |
| 17:18.47 | demoneye | umm, the monitor I'm using is an old one. Therefore, I don't think I can find any documentaion |
| 17:18.47 | FabParma | yes |
| 17:18.57 | jordanm | FabParma: what is an ms file? |
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| 17:19.18 | FabParma | sorry, i intended from ntfs fs |
| 17:19.19 | smuffs | how the hell do i install debian from usb stick? |
| 17:19.26 | smuffs | i tried downloading the netinst, diodn |
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| 17:19.37 | smuffs | didn't work. i tried downloading the live-debin img, didnt work too |
| 17:19.47 | smuffs | there is not a single howto on how to do this |
| 17:19.48 | smuffs | it sucks |
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| 17:20.06 | jordanm | FabParma: so from your debian machine you have a mounted ntfs partition and you want to back that up? |
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| 17:20.47 | jhutchins_lt | !usb |
| 17:20.47 | dpkg | [usb] (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
| 17:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 17:20.54 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 17:21.59 | smuffs | i followed those, nothing useful really |
| 17:22.03 | smuffs | !install debian |
| 17:22.03 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 17:22.16 | smuffs | the installer doesn't load debian on reboot, windows xp loads as usual |
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| 17:23.05 | pallgone | smuffs: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 17:23.05 | jordanm | smuffs: you have to configure you BIOS to boot to the usb stick. the howto explains in steps how to make the usb stick bootable |
| 17:23.26 | pallgone | that's the one that should get it working... (it was for me) |
| 17:23.47 | elik | pallgone, do you know if the squeeze version works? |
| 17:23.48 | FabParma | i_am_error: from Debian I have to copy files from an ntfs disk to another ext4 FS |
| 17:23.54 | jhutchins_lt | smuffs: Then you failed to install grub on the MBR. |
| 17:23.56 | demoneye | I remember something guys, when I tried Debian Live via pendrive few hours ago, my monitor resoloution had 1024x768 - it even had more options like 1080x* or something.. |
| 17:24.19 | pallgone | elik: yeah, I've done it with squeeze |
| 17:24.19 | smuffs | i wrote the netinst.iso to the usb and then when i rebooted it asked me to mount the cdrom media |
| 17:24.22 | smuffs | i dont have cdrom |
| 17:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | smuffs: That or the stick isn't bootable. |
| 17:24.25 | eldorel | smuffs: did the installer boot up, run and then boot into windows, or is it not running the installer at all? |
| 17:24.33 | smuffs | the stick was bootable but asked for cdrom |
| 17:24.40 | jhutchins_lt | smuffs: We know this works, lots of people have done it before, the question is what went wrong for you? |
| 17:24.52 | smuffs | and when i used the live windows installer, it didnt boot debian |
| 17:24.58 | jhutchins_lt | smuffs: Right, as per the directions you need to supply an iso. |
| 17:25.00 | elik | pallgone, giving it a try, but it complains about kernel versions mismatch |
| 17:25.02 | FabParma | jordanm: from Debian I have to copy files from an ntfs disk to another ext4 FS |
| 17:25.12 | smuffs | ok, so what iso do i need the netinst or what? |
| 17:25.15 | alcy | smuffs, then you didn't follow the instructions from the link pallgone and dpkg posted |
| 17:25.17 | elik | pallgone, not being able to lead kernel modules |
| 17:25.17 | smuffs | is that compatible with usb sticks? |
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| 17:25.58 | thursley | Hi I tried to upgrade a fresh 5.0.5 amd64 install from lenny to squeez by changing the sources to squeeze -> aptitude update -> aptitude full-upgrade. After it finished my X fails to start, and I am still running 2.6.26-2-amd64. When I try to do apt-get upgrade I get loads of depency errors with lenny packages that are still installed. How can I complete the upgrade? |
| 17:26.07 | elik | pallgone, and well, after that, it just fails in a major way (probably hard to make the network card work without modules) |
| 17:26.14 | elik | pallgone, I'm using the netinstall |
| 17:26.20 | abrotman | thursley: aptitude full-upgrade .. are there still more? |
| 17:26.28 | jordanm | FabParma: your ntfs permissions will be toast no matter what tool you use to copy the files |
| 17:26.32 | abrotman | there was probably an error about the kernel/udev that you missed |
| 17:26.46 | pallgone | elik: the alpha1? |
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| 17:26.52 | FabParma | Copying files from NTFS to EXT4 wit Rsync can give permissions errors or others errors? |
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| 17:27.38 | eldorel | going from ntfs to any other file system removes the ntfs permissions from the files. |
| 17:27.41 | elik | pallgone, amd64 |
| 17:27.42 | thursley | abrotman: yes a lot of unmet dependencies and it asks to remove gnome and a few other things, also some unresolved dependencies |
| 17:27.47 | elik | abrotman, hum? |
| 17:28.04 | abrotman | elik: i was ttalking to thursley |
| 17:28.09 | elik | ah |
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| 17:28.19 | abrotman | thursley: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 .. what does it say ? |
| 17:28.20 | FabParma | jordanm: probabily i red wrong, but unison says that it mantain everyting inaltherated ... |
| 17:28.26 | jordanm | FabParma: ext4 does not support ntfs permissions and vice versa |
| 17:28.27 | torpedotux | i am getting hard lockup with r8169 driver!!! |
| 17:28.43 | demoneye | smuffs: you can try using Universal USB Installer, you will be needing a copy of "debian-live-505-i386-gnome-desktop.iso". |
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| 17:28.46 | smuffs | which image should i download for the usb stick?! |
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| 17:29.08 | jordanm | FabParma: you could perhaps make an archive that perserves the permissions |
| 17:29.10 | demoneye | smuffs: It worked for me like less then 3 hours ago. |
| 17:29.16 | thursley | abrotman: I get a huge list of lenny dependency problems |
| 17:29.25 | pallgone | elik: which method did you try? |
| 17:29.38 | jordanm | thursley: pastebin that list |
| 17:30.20 | eldorel | Fabparma: unison can be used to copy from one windows boot to another, in which case the permissions may be unaffected(i've never tried) but the minute you add a system not using ntfs, the permissions will get lost. |
| 17:30.20 | smuffs | demoneye i already got that. i boot and how do i install? |
| 17:30.23 | smuffs | there is no option to install it |
| 17:30.31 | jordanm | smuffs: one of the ones recommended in the install guide that you should be reading? |
| 17:30.33 | smuffs | it's just a live distro without install option |
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| 17:31.11 | abrotman | !tell smuffs about usb install |
| 17:31.12 | jordanm | yes, debian-live is not an installer, but will include one in the next release |
| 17:31.25 | jordanm | abrotman: he was already told |
| 17:31.29 | FabParma | eldorel: weel, than the only solution is to make archives |
| 17:31.37 | zebradog | !debian-live |
| 17:31.37 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
| 17:32.55 | jk4 | !tell me about usb install |
| 17:32.59 | eldorel | smuffs you need to use this one. http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 17:33.07 | smuffs | i got the debian-live-505-i386-kde-desktop.iso and i dont see an install option when i boot |
| 17:33.08 | abrotman | !tell jk4 about usb install |
| 17:33.09 | elik | pallgone, the easy one: "zcat boot.img.gz" |
| 17:33.13 | abrotman | eldorel: that's the wrong one |
| 17:33.22 | eldorel | is it? |
| 17:33.33 | abrotman | or rather .. not enough for just that |
| 17:33.36 | demoneye | smuff, it a live distro, yes. You might want to ask the developers of Debian Live resides at #debian-live @ OFTC. - Though, they adviced me to wait for their next release in days/month. |
| 17:33.41 | jk4 | abrotman: I only need to be told once |
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| 17:33.46 | jk4 | :) |
| 17:33.49 | abrotman | jk4: i only told you once |
| 17:33.54 | elik | pallgone, then I copied debian amd64 netinstall |
| 17:33.55 | abrotman | oh whoops |
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| 17:33.58 | abrotman | !tell jk4 about selftell |
| 17:33.59 | abrotman | sorry |
| 17:34.20 | elik | !tell elik about selftell |
| 17:34.29 | abrotman | the entire process for doing an install from a USB stick is in the installation manual |
| 17:34.37 | FabParma | does rsync make zip archive? |
| 17:34.44 | pallgone | elik: and doesn't boot or what? |
| 17:34.47 | jk4 | Oh OK |
| 17:34.59 | thursley | jordanm and abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/82547/ |
| 17:35.02 | elik | pallgone, it does boot, but it fails after detecting the iso (kernel mismatch) |
| 17:35.14 | jordanm | FabParma: rsync — a fast, versatile, remote (and local) file-copying tool |
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| 17:35.31 | pallgone | elik: you have amd64 on both? |
| 17:35.32 | elik | abrotman, do you know if the installation process works for squeeze? Or should I install from lenny and upgrade after |
| 17:35.34 | abrotman | thursley: first, your sources should point at 'squeeze', not 'testing' |
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| 17:35.38 | demoneye | So, about my xorg.conf, I can't get a larger monitor res? |
| 17:35.38 | elik | pallgone, yup |
| 17:35.42 | abrotman | elik: should be roughly the same |
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| 17:36.00 | torpedotux | hi abrotman :B |
| 17:36.07 | smuffs | i just told you that i tried everything |
| 17:36.11 | abrotman | torpedotux: ? |
| 17:36.19 | torpedotux | just saying hello |
| 17:36.21 | torpedotux | :) |
| 17:36.23 | abrotman | smuffs: did you try reading the installation manual that tells you exactly how to do it? |
| 17:36.27 | smuffs | first off i tried with the netinst image, i wrote it to the usb flash drive, and when i booted it asked me for the cdrom device |
| 17:36.31 | thursley | abrotman: I replaced all the lenny entries in sources.list with 'squeeze' |
| 17:36.33 | elik | abrotman, could it be that the kernel version in the netinstall changed since hd-media install was done? |
| 17:36.36 | abrotman | apparently he didn't |
| 17:36.44 | pallgone | elik: try the netbook maybe? |
| 17:36.46 | abrotman | thursley: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 17:36.49 | smuffs | then i booted off the live 5.0.5 image and it didn't offer an installation option. only live mode |
| 17:36.52 | pallgone | elik: otherwise the second method |
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| 17:37.00 | elik | pallgone, netboot you mean? |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | or READ THE INSTALLATION GUIDE |
| 17:37.11 | smuffs | what guide dude? i followed all guides |
| 17:37.29 | Orbixx | What is the recommended MTA for use with PHP for sending mail with the mail() function in Debian? |
| 17:37.39 | jordanm | smuffs: there is *one* guide we have been recommending for 20min |
| 17:37.41 | abrotman | !tell smuffs about usb install |
| 17:37.52 | abrotman | Orbixx: the one you know how to configure |
| 17:37.53 | alcy | someone needs to booted |
| 17:38.05 | abrotman | who is that? |
| 17:38.12 | pallgone | elik: instead of netinst |
| 17:38.19 | jordanm | Orbixx: exim4 is the default MTA for debian. choose whatever you prefer. |
| 17:38.25 | smuffs | that guide is for linux |
| 17:38.26 | abrotman | Orbixx: pretty much any will work |
| 17:38.27 | ScottG | I'm having trouble getting the mic on my laptop to work. I've tried arecord with no luck. Not sure where to go from here. Could someone help me out? |
| 17:38.28 | smuffs | i have winxp right now |
| 17:38.32 | elik | pallgone, isn't netboot for booting from network? |
| 17:39.17 | abrotman | elik: the netinst is an ISO that contains the base system, the netboot is something else .. which one are you looking at? |
| 17:39.22 | pallgone | elik: bussinescard, sorry |
| 17:39.34 | abrotman | use the netinst, not hte bizcard |
| 17:39.42 | elik | abrotman, it's not working |
| 17:39.55 | smuffs | abrotman that guide is for windows |
| 17:39.57 | abrotman | why not? the bizcard has less stuff on the CD |
| 17:40.03 | abrotman | smuffs: you have windows .. i don't see a problem ? |
| 17:40.05 | smuffs | sorry the guide is for linux |
| 17:40.05 | pallgone | bizcard is nice in that you don't get an old base system |
| 17:40.08 | smuffs | i need it for windows |
| 17:40.12 | abrotman | smuffs: use a liveCD? |
| 17:40.13 | elik | abrotman, it boots from hd-media, find the .iso (netinstall), but complains about kernel mismatch, and does not load modules |
| 17:40.28 | abrotman | elik: so which hd-media did you use? which ISO did yo uuse? |
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| 17:41.32 | elik | abrotman, from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, the netinst for amd64 and from other images, the amd64 hd-media |
| 17:41.43 | demoneye | jordanm: so, I can't get a larger monitor res, even if I edit my xorg.conf? |
| 17:41.51 | abrotman | elik: that's nice .. i need the actual file names .. there are dozens of images on that page |
| 17:42.02 | smuffs | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_windows_installer_p2 i followed this too |
| 17:42.14 | smuffs | but it doesn't offer me the 2nd boot option, it directly boots to shitty winxp |
| 17:42.20 | elik | abrotman, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 17:42.30 | elik | abrotman, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 17:43.24 | abrotman | those use different kernels IIRC .. by a few months |
| 17:43.32 | elik | pallgone, now I see what you mean by alpha1 :) I thought you were talking about architecture |
| 17:43.34 | abrotman | there isn't an AMD64 ISO |
| 17:43.36 | thursley | abrotman: I get erros and dependency problems, but the most important one seems to be: Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev. (full results: http://paste.debian.net/82548/) |
| 17:43.44 | abrotman | !tell thursley about udev squeeze |
| 17:44.04 | pallgone | elik: so you are using the alpha1? |
| 17:44.17 | elik | pallgone, apparently |
| 17:44.37 | pallgone | because the others didn't work for me when I tried some weeks ago |
| 17:44.40 | elik | abrotman, there isn't? you mean, that matches the version? |
| 17:44.42 | thursley | abrotman: thanks, but I can't boot into the new kernel, there is no grub entry |
| 17:44.53 | abrotman | thursley: you can dpkg -i the new kernel |
| 17:45.09 | abrotman | elik: there isn't an amd64 iso that matches that boot.img.gz IIRC |
| 17:45.16 | abrotman | elik: look at the dates on those files |
| 17:46.20 | thursley | abrotman: do I download the .deb for the kernel myself from some site then? because trying with apt just gives me the depen. probs |
| 17:46.23 | elik | abrotman, hell, the netinst is trailing quite a bit |
| 17:46.43 | smuffs | can i install from hdmedia image? |
| 17:46.48 | smuffs | unetbootin offers this option |
| 17:47.05 | elik | abrotman, I'd expect the hd-media and install isos to be in sync for a similar release, no? |
| 17:47.30 | elik | abrotman, is there a place I could find an old (from feb, for instance) hd-media |
| 17:47.55 | smuffs | will i be able to install the basic stuff from the netinst image? |
| 17:48.03 | abrotman | thursley: probably already downloaded |
| 17:48.20 | abrotman | elik: they normally are in sync .. the ISO must have failed for hte last few days |
| 17:48.38 | thursley | abrotman: ok thanks, will look for it |
| 17:49.00 | abrotman | thursley: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.32* |
| 17:49.02 | elik | abrotman, from the look of it, the netinst hasn't move since february |
| 17:49.11 | abrotman | elik: you're looking in the wrong place |
| 17:49.21 | elik | abrotman, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 17:49.27 | demoneye | gnarface: I can't seem to find the height/width |
| 17:49.28 | elik | abrotman, oh, god |
| 17:49.29 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ .. that's where it should be |
| 17:49.36 | elik | abrotman, I think I'd rather take the daily, yeah |
| 17:49.42 | abrotman | yeah, but it's not there |
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| 17:50.36 | elik | abrotman, hum, right |
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| 17:51.04 | elik | abrotman, doesn't it keep the old version when the daily build fails? |
| 17:51.10 | abrotman | apparently it does not |
| 17:51.38 | fxiny | jordanm: i've checked tarballing from ext3 a mounted ntfs dir : owner is ok , local linux user , but all files are 777 |
| 17:51.40 | thursley | abrotman: it gives me a dependency error for linux-base now shall I dpkg -i that one from cache first? |
| 17:51.43 | abrotman | so your choice is to try to find an alpha1 version of the hd-media, or use a totally different method |
| 17:51.50 | abrotman | thursley: you can try |
| 17:52.00 | abrotman | wishes they'd fix this damn udev sutff |
| 17:52.06 | elik | abrotman, other method such as? |
| 17:52.21 | abrotman | elik: installing lenny, then upgrading from there, or using CD1 |
| 17:52.32 | thursley | abrotman: heh more dep. errors. Guess I will have to follow the chain up |
| 17:52.41 | abrotman | elik: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ .. or the weekly stuff |
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| 17:52.53 | abrotman | thursley: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 17:53.16 | elik | abrotman, alright, I'll give the weekly installer a try, otherwise I'll fall back on lenny and upgrade |
| 17:53.25 | thursley | abrotman: gives me the big dep. error list again |
| 17:53.30 | abrotman | awesome |
| 17:53.41 | abrotman | shakes his fist at udev |
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| 17:54.52 | jordanm | I just did an upgrade last night, and I had many failures before I got the proper resolution |
| 17:55.29 | elik | abrotman, hum, the weekly builds have no netboot either |
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| 17:55.39 | elik | err, netinst |
| 17:56.08 | abrotman | no CD drive at all / |
| 17:56.45 | ScottG | I'm having trouble getting the mic on my laptop to work. I've tried arecord with no luck. Not sure where to go from here. Could someone help me out? |
| 17:56.46 | elik | abrotman, no :( |
| 17:56.57 | elik | abrotman, I find it strange that the kernel version of hd-media matters though |
| 17:57.07 | abrotman | IIRC you can use the CD1 for an hd-media instlal if your USB drive is large enough |
| 17:57.26 | elik | abrotman, I'd think the hd-media would just contain an iso loader and "boot" it |
| 17:57.31 | demoneye | How do you guys install Xchat on debian? sudo apt-get install xchat? |
| 17:57.43 | abrotman | aptitude install xchat |
| 17:57.47 | elik | abrotman, I'll go for lenny, same difference |
| 17:57.52 | abrotman | elik: up to you |
| 17:58.29 | elik | abrotman, well, the cd1 fits on the usb stick, but it's just that it won't connect and download the packages |
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| 17:58.38 | Rusty1 | ScottG: tried alsa-mixer? |
| 17:58.40 | elik | is everything that is downloaded for netinst present on cd1? |
| 17:58.43 | ivank | is it possible to mount a directory as a filesystem? |
| 17:59.03 | thewanderer1 | ivank: no, but you can mount a directory at a path |
| 17:59.17 | abrotman | elik: the CD1 has everything on the netinst and far more |
| 17:59.18 | demoneye | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xchat" |
| 17:59.21 | jordanm | elik: nothing needs to be downloaded, unless you are selecting tasks from the installation (such as desktop) |
| 17:59.22 | thewanderer1 | ivank: mount -o bind -t none /dir1 /destination |
| 17:59.33 | ivank | ah, perfect, thats just what i need |
| 17:59.37 | ScottG | Rusty1: Yea, actually I might have found the problem |
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| 18:06.18 | thewanderer1 | why the ---- does Debian assume that /tmp is executable? Can't exec "/tmp/libssl0.9.8.config.176061 |
| 18:06.23 | demoneye | I can't seem to install xchat nor irssi.. |
| 18:06.38 | thewanderer1 | this happens when installing libssl0.9.8 0.9.8o-1 (testing) |
| 18:06.49 | abrotman | demoneye: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 18:08.27 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: yes. /tmp needs to be mounted exec for dpkg to work properly |
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| 18:08.29 | jordanm | thewanderer1: where else would they place a temporary file to execute? |
| 18:08.56 | torpedotux | thewanderer1: /tmp on mine is sticky (mind you this is brand spanking new install :) |
| 18:09.05 | jelly-home | sticky's good |
| 18:09.10 | torpedotux | heh |
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| 18:09.13 | demoneye | abrotman: http://debian.pastebin.com/Fud0vA96 |
| 18:09.31 | thewanderer1 | well, I thought that /tmp noexec is a security measure |
| 18:09.41 | thewanderer1 | it could put executable files in /var/tmp... |
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| 18:10.23 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it's as good a security measure as the perp thinking up to put executables in /var/tmp as well -- that is, not very much |
| 18:10.28 | jordanm | thewanderer1: /var/tmp is preserved between reboots |
| 18:10.43 | i_am_error | demoneye: . . . |
| 18:10.48 | abrotman | demoneye: you need a regular mirror .. where are you geographically? |
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| 18:10.55 | torpedotux | aight i am off. thank you folks. |
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| 18:11.05 | Veris | hey can anyone help me out? |
| 18:11.10 | abrotman | can you ask? |
| 18:11.16 | dvs | abrotman: here. ;-) |
| 18:11.20 | demoneye | that all was there on sources.list |
| 18:11.24 | abrotman | thewanderer1: it is, but you hav eto provide an alternate temp space for dpkg |
| 18:11.32 | abrotman | demoneye: great .. where are you geographically? |
| 18:11.45 | dvs | here! |
| 18:12.10 | demoneye | abrotman: Singapore |
| 18:12.16 | Veris | for some reason I can't run the apt-get command |
| 18:12.18 | Veris | i get this |
| 18:12.19 | Veris | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6.so.4.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:12.40 | jordanm | that looks fun |
| 18:12.41 | abrotman | demoneye: add "deb http://mirror.nus.edu.sg/Debian/ lenny main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:12.43 | Veris | do i need to install libapt package..? lol |
| 18:12.50 | abrotman | Veris: put the full output in a pastebin |
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| 18:13.05 | Veris | that is the full output when i type apt-get |
| 18:13.08 | jelly-home | Veris: which debian release is this? can you pastebin the output of ldd $(which apt-get) |
| 18:13.23 | abrotman | Veris: that is not the full output .. |
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| 18:14.29 | Veris | well it's kind of outdate, i was trying to update, it's debian etch |
| 18:14.40 | ScottG | Rusty1: nvm, no good :( |
| 18:14.46 | ScottG | Still isn't recording |
| 18:14.50 | abrotman | Veris: we still need the full output |
| 18:14.56 | ScottG | All my capture devices are turned up all the way |
| 18:15.01 | ScottG | Still can't record, though |
| 18:15.16 | Veris | whiite:~# apt-get |
| 18:15.16 | Veris | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6.so.4.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:15.21 | Veris | that is the full output |
| 18:15.23 | jelly-home | Veris: files from apt package got corrupted, it's going to need reinstallation. dpkg -l libc6 apt |tail -2 as well, please |
| 18:15.46 | abrotman | or he's mixing versions of debian |
| 18:16.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's what "i was trying to update," meant |
| 18:16.07 | Veris | iU apt 0.7.25.3 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 18:16.07 | Veris | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 18:16.18 | jelly-home | ,versions apt |
| 18:16.20 | judd | apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1; sid: 0.7.25.3; squeeze: 0.7.25.3; experimental: 0.7.26~exp12 |
| 18:16.26 | abrotman | oh, that's awesome |
| 18:16.34 | abrotman | runs away fast |
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| 18:16.42 | jelly-home | Veris: debian doesn't allow skipping releases. |
| 18:16.48 | abrotman | Veris: can you put your sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 18:16.54 | demoneye | abrotman: http://debian.pastebin.com/jxvPSxnV |
| 18:17.08 | abrotman | demoneye: you forgot to aptitude update first? |
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| 18:17.53 | demoneye | abrotman: Ahh, ok |
| 18:18.21 | Veris | abrotman, well, it only has one source, i don't think i need to pasttebin it |
| 18:18.22 | Veris | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
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| 18:18.55 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 18:19.11 | Veris | and for the record, all of this is on my wii, i was trying to install linux onto my wii lol, i'm on it via ssh right now |
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| 18:19.15 | abrotman | Veris: you cannot skip from etch to current sid ... you would have to go through lenny and then squeeze |
| 18:19.34 | Veris | abrotman, i couldnt even find and sources for etch anymore |
| 18:19.37 | Veris | *any |
| 18:19.39 | jelly-home | Veris: you'll have to replace that line with /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 18:19.55 | jelly-home | Veris: then you'll have to install apt from etch. |
| 18:20.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha, nice |
| 18:20.10 | Veris | alright |
| 18:20.29 | jelly-home | Veris: then, if you wish to upgrade, you'll have to follow /msg dpkg etch->lenny, and /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze afterwards |
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| 18:21.08 | Veris | so wait jelly-home where would i find the apt package for etch |
| 18:21.10 | jelly-home | Veris: changing kernels on an embdded platform is going to be _very_ platform specific |
| 18:21.41 | jelly-home | Veris: have you read what dpkg the bot told you after you did "/msg dpkg etch sources.list"? |
| 18:21.58 | ScottG | I'm having trouble getting the mic on my laptop to work. I've tried arecord with no luck. Not sure where to go from here. Could someone help me out? |
| 18:22.30 | Rusty1 | ScottG: whats the make/model of laptop |
| 18:22.50 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: it's usually a problem of loudness and boost - see alsamixer, enable microphones and set the sensitivity to about 70, then mic boost to 100 if applicable |
| 18:22.54 | Veris | ohh |
| 18:22.55 | jelly-home | Veris: you'll have to download the apt package for etch and install it manually |
| 18:23.05 | Veris | jelly-home, alright thanks |
| 18:23.18 | ScottG | Rusty1: Dell Studio 15 |
| 18:23.26 | jelly-home | Veris: what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
| 18:23.36 | ScottG | thewanderer1: Well I checked alsa, all capture devices are turned up |
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| 18:23.55 | Veris | jelly-home, its a powerpc, i've install packages earlier |
| 18:24.10 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 18:24.10 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:24.18 | ScottG | thewanderer1: It looked like capture may have been muted, if you look at this http://privatepaste.com/d2ec87d99f |
| 18:24.32 | Veris | I think I messed it up now that I think about it, I was trying to reinstall aptutitude, but I think I installed a new version of apt instead |
| 18:24.42 | ScottG | You can see that 'Capture Switch' has a value of off,off |
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| 18:25.01 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: then you have to enable capture devices |
| 18:25.05 | ScottG | I used this command to turn them on |
| 18:25.08 | ScottG | amixer cset name='Capture Switch' values=on,on |
| 18:25.26 | ScottG | However the result was: values=off,on |
| 18:25.40 | ScottG | And recording is still failing |
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| 18:27.08 | ScottG | Firstly, I don't get why it has 2 values for a boolean value like that, seems like it should just be either on or off. Second, I don't get why only one is changing |
| 18:27.37 | Rusty1 | ScottG: apt-cache policy alsa-base returns? |
| 18:27.46 | zinx | ScottG: Stereo. |
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| 18:28.14 | ScottG | zinx: Ah, it does look like I have a Stereo mic. Still, one mic should technically work now :/ |
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| 18:28.53 | ScottG | Rusty1: http://privatepaste.com/a37e859357 |
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| 18:30.04 | Rusty1 | ScottG: try upgrading it |
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| 18:30.21 | ScottG | Rusty1: What do you mean? |
| 18:30.21 | jelly-home | Veris: your apt had not been configured correctly for etch. any packages you tried to install recently (after 2007 ;-) might be broken |
| 18:30.42 | Rusty1 | there is a newer version than the one you are running |
| 18:31.24 | ScottG | Rusty1: Ok, I don't think that will solve the problem. Isn't a terribly new laptop and I had my mic working a while ago |
| 18:32.02 | ScottG | But I guess it can't hurt |
| 18:32.02 | Rusty1 | ScottG: probly not but in the process you'll restart alsa and that in itself might help |
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| 18:32.29 | zebradog | ScottG, did you check to see if mic is supported by the driver? |
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| 18:32.35 | Rusty1 | ScottG: internal or external mic? |
| 18:32.45 | ScottG | Rusty1: Internal, laptop |
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| 18:32.55 | ScottG | zebradog: How would I do that? |
| 18:33.07 | zebradog | ScottG, hcl compat list on alsa site |
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| 18:33.57 | zebradog | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main |
| 18:34.40 | Veris | jelly-home, where should i download the package for etch? on the website they don't directly say etch, although they say lenny, squeeze, etc. |
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| 18:35.45 | zebradog | ScottG, xeon-enouf is very good at this.. |
| 18:36.07 | Rusty1 | ScottG: the mic was working, i know it's lame but is the cord/plug ok? |
| 18:36.23 | zebradog | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/SoundcardTesting << mic testing ... but do check if the driver supports mic |
| 18:36.29 | Rusty1 | sorry, you just said internal my bad |
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| 18:37.16 | ScottG | np |
| 18:38.43 | zebradog | ScottG, what onboard chipset is it? |
| 18:38.43 | ScottG | zebradog: Not sure how to make my way around this list. I am using th HDA Intel kernel driver |
| 18:39.04 | zebradog | ScottG, what does lspci -nn say ? |
| 18:39.23 | abrotman | Veris: he's told you three times to "/msg dpkg etch sources.list" |
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| 18:40.08 | zebradog | Veris, etch is me thing Debian version 4. Most of us here are on 5 |
| 18:40.11 | ScottG | zebradog: http://privatepaste.com/d0f1274c75 |
| 18:40.44 | i_am_error | alsaconf ?? |
| 18:41.01 | Veris | abrotman, well I see that, I guess I just visit the source url and navigate through the directorys and find it? |
| 18:41.20 | abrotman | it gives you the actual lines for your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:42.21 | ScottG | zebradog: So I have two audio devices: 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD 34xx Series] [1002:aa28] and 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03) |
| 18:42.34 | ScottG | Both use that driver I previously mentioned |
| 18:42.38 | zebradog | ScottG, if you tried absolutely everything.. there's actually a buggy_irq param |
| 18:42.41 | Veris | abrotman, I know that, but i need to manually reinstall apt |
| 18:42.55 | ScottG | zebradog: Not sure what you mean by that |
| 18:43.12 | abrotman | then browse and find it |
| 18:43.31 | Veris | I am now, i'm looking |
| 18:43.50 | zebradog | ScottG, if you type modinfo <module> it shows parameters ( http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-intel8x0 ), if you try reloading it with a param it can enable/disable something which can help tune the driver |
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| 18:44.23 | zebradog | hence ( modinfo snd-card-intel8x0 ) |
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| 18:45.02 | Innocentus | hey |
| 18:45.11 | zebradog | ScottG, does it say 'capture' when you use alsamixer? |
| 18:45.13 | Innocentus | I am trying the fwpuncher-script |
| 18:45.21 | Innocentus | but somehow there is still no ssh on port 80. |
| 18:45.32 | Innocentus | So I guess I need to configure a little bit in order to make it run. |
| 18:45.44 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea, it shows the capture device. No mute,unmute in alsamixer though |
| 18:46.09 | ScottG | zebradog: http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9443/filea.jpg |
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| 18:49.10 | zebradog | ScottG, arecord -vv -fdat foo.wav |
| 18:49.34 | zebradog | (aplay -vv foo.wav , plays is back) |
| 18:49.50 | zebradog | the minimum that should work would be those test tools.. |
| 18:50.07 | Rusty1 | ScottG: not to be a wise ass, but is there isnt a switch or fn key inadvertantly turned off? |
| 18:50.25 | ScottG | zebradog: Well, that file actually had sound in it |
| 18:50.36 | ScottG | zebradog: just seemed like static, though |
| 18:50.46 | zebradog | ScottG, so lower to 50% for the capture |
| 18:50.58 | zebradog | ScottG, or start doing 75, 50, 45, etc |
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| 18:51.47 | ScottG | zebradog: Oh snap there are like red letters around the device in alsa now. Only on the right side, though |
| 18:52.24 | ScottG | awesome, seems to be working |
| 18:52.37 | zebradog | dont use the word seem |
| 18:52.42 | zebradog | you hear audible sounds or not? |
| 18:52.45 | zebradog | not just snow |
| 18:52.58 | zebradog | static means it's not working or tuned right |
| 18:53.00 | ScottG | Yes, very staticy. Not done testing |
| 18:53.26 | zebradog | ScottG, try it as root too |
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| 18:53.45 | zebradog | ScottG, someone once gave me this tip-> /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:54.07 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: you might also want to try with a recording program like KRec which shows current audio level - good for detecting if it's really working :P |
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| 18:54.42 | zebradog | thewanderer1, obviously if the commands worked as describe from the alsa project any other should work |
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| 18:55.20 | ScottG | zebradog: Capture volume is at 7 but it's still pretty loud with a lot of static |
| 18:55.39 | zebradog | ScottG, did u try the alsa-utils reset 0 ? |
| 18:55.39 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: if you have a mic boost option, decrease it to 50% |
| 18:55.52 | ScottG | zebradog: Just did. Testing again |
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| 18:56.20 | ScottG | zebradog: Oh ok, that thing is like a level indicator, its not always suppose to be at 99% :P |
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| 18:56.55 | ScottG | There is still some noticible background static but I'd say its bearable at least |
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| 18:57.49 | zebradog | I have this in a file called /etc/modprobe.d/sound on of my systems (two lines): " alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 |
| 18:57.49 | zebradog | options snd-intel8x0 index=0" |
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| 18:58.42 | zebradog | the line saying options-> you can probably add buggy_irq=1 |
| 18:59.06 | zebradog | I'm suspecting either it's because you using squeeze or you have problematic soft-hware issue |
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| 18:59.17 | zebradog | (leaning more towards the hware aspect) |
| 19:00.40 | zebradog | ScottG, you can try seeing if your soundcard irqs are being shared with other devices, and try to isolate irqs just for soundcard things.. |
| 19:00.47 | zebradog | cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 19:01.02 | ScottG | zebradog: One sec, messing with settings in alsamixer now. I have a feeling turning some of these down might fix that |
| 19:01.37 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea, this is doing it :) |
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| 19:02.14 | ScottG | Looks like I just need to fiddle with these to get it right. |
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| 19:02.25 | ScottG | I think I am all set, though |
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| 19:02.55 | zebradog | ScottG, disable linein,cdin, aux |
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| 19:05.05 | elik | alpha1 naming is pretty weak, considering there is an alpha arch -_- |
| 19:05.19 | zebradog | ScottG, did you try snd-hda-intel ? or snd-hda-intelxxx ? |
| 19:05.44 | ScottG | zebradog: I didn't do anything with that file you recommended. I was about to try it but I really think I just need to get these settings right |
| 19:06.26 | zebradog | ScottG, lsmod |grep -i snd-hda .. am wondering if you were supposed to be using literally the snd-hda-intel module |
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| 19:08.58 | zebradog | ScottG, you have digital options with the capture so i'm suspecting if you're using the suitable driver for it |
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| 19:09.36 | zebradog | ScottG, it would also be helpful to tell us your motherboard |
| 19:10.10 | ScottG | zebradog: Nothing from lsmod |grep -i snd-hda |
| 19:10.25 | zebradog | ScottG, can you paste what shows ? |
| 19:10.26 | abrotman | snd_hda |
| 19:10.36 | zebradog | (lsmod) |
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| 19:10.55 | ScottG | zebradog: lol thanks a lot for the help zebra. I think I am all set. Like I said, I just need to mess with the capture settings in alsa |
| 19:11.15 | ScottG | zebradog: http://privatepaste.com/33a39e984f |
| 19:11.17 | zebradog | ScottG, you're probalby using the wrong driver.. |
| 19:11.37 | ScottG | Possibly, it sounds pretty good, though |
| 19:11.59 | zebradog | ScottG, "options snd-hda-intel model=KEYWORD" , (assuming model is a param)--> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt#378 |
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| 19:12.10 | zebradog | that might spice it up |
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| 19:13.03 | ScottG | Not sure what you mean |
| 19:13.48 | ScottG | Put that in my /etc/modprobe.d/sound file? |
| 19:14.13 | ScottG | I don't have that file right now btw |
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| 19:14.41 | zebradog | ScottG, you can, yah.. you can use that line alone if you want.. not the one with snd-80xx which is the incorrect one i gave earlier |
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| 19:15.28 | zebradog | ScottG, you should refer to further tips, you may need an alias line too |
| 19:15.45 | ScottG | zebradog: So just `echo "options snd-hda-intel model=KEYWORD" /etc/modprobe.d/sound` ? |
| 19:16.04 | zebradog | ScottG, what is in 'sound' ? |
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| 19:16.26 | ScottG | forgot the > |
| 19:16.34 | zebradog | ScottG, > will overwrite.. ">>" appends |
| 19:16.36 | ScottG | zebradog: `echo "options snd-hda-intel model=KEYWORD" > /etc/modprobe.d/sound` ? |
| 19:16.44 | ScottG | Well yea, nothing is in there right now |
| 19:16.50 | zebradog | ScottG, its still wrong.. paste the sound textfile.. |
| 19:16.53 | ScottG | The file does't eve exst |
| 19:17.10 | jordanm | if you are using lenny, you should be running "alsaconf" to perform similar |
| 19:17.18 | zebradog | ScottG, see if there's already something for sound in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 19:17.48 | jordanm | zebradog: local changes should go into a new file, as those others may be replaced in future releases |
| 19:18.08 | ScottG | zebradog: I have an alsa-base.conf |
| 19:18.17 | zebradog | (eg: grep -Ri sound /etc/modprobe.d ) |
| 19:18.29 | zebradog | jordanm, ok |
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| 19:18.53 | zebradog | ScottG, you dont see your model or closest brand in "http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt#378" > |
| 19:18.54 | zebradog | ? |
| 19:19.02 | ScottG | zebradog: http://privatepaste.com/4c844615d9 |
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| 19:19.55 | ScottG | zebradog: Under which section? |
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| 19:20.39 | zebradog | ScottG, that's why it's a good tip to know your motherboard :) |
| 19:21.02 | ScottG | You were linking me to a specific place on the page so I thought you wanted me to look at the bottom somewhre |
| 19:21.16 | ScottG | And yea I don't know my mobo on my laptop |
| 19:21.19 | zebradog | ScottG, you don't know the main label print on the system board ? cuse basically it's that which people post online for troubleshooting |
| 19:21.50 | zebradog | ScottG, oh.. so what laptop? |
| 19:21.51 | ScottG | zebradog: No, is there a command I cna use to determine it? |
| 19:21.57 | ScottG | Dell Studio 15 |
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| 19:24.08 | zebradog | ScottG, you using an alsa more recent than 1.0.18a ? |
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| 19:24.42 | zebradog | ScottG, http://www.linlap.com/wiki/dell+studio+15 "To get sound working, add “options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m6” to your /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf (no quotes, create the files if they don't exist) " |
| 19:25.12 | zebradog | ScottG, you can probably just use an /etc/modprobe.d/sound file |
| 19:26.49 | zebradog | googled "dell studio 15 laptop linux sound alsa" |
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| 19:27.12 | zebradog | it should work according to some folks |
| 19:27.34 | ScottG | zebradog: I think I have the most recent alsa version |
| 19:28.27 | zebradog | ^^ try the above with sound, add that line -- i'm guessing the sound textfile file may be enough, if not, then add it with mcedit or something to those two .conf files |
| 19:29.01 | ScottG | mcedit? |
| 19:29.10 | zebradog | that's what i use..(from mc package) |
| 19:29.19 | ScottG | What is it, though? |
| 19:29.19 | zebradog | hehehe.. the vim whores will be disapointed |
| 19:29.24 | zebradog | text editor |
| 19:29.32 | ScottG | Don't like vim? |
| 19:29.52 | zebradog | i use the highlight functionality.. |
| 19:30.26 | zebradog | xterm color sprinkes |
| 19:30.37 | pallgone | says: e....s |
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| 19:32.02 | ScottG | zebradog: Ok I made a modprobe.conf file and added that line and added that line to my alsa-base.conf |
| 19:32.08 | ScottG | zebradog: Now what? |
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| 19:32.56 | zebradog | ScottG, you can reboot that, easiest |
| 19:33.29 | ScottG | Alright |
| 19:33.40 | roe | anyone know what the release after squeeze is going to be named? |
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| 19:34.04 | zebradog | roe, names are not important, as long as they come from toy story |
| 19:34.14 | roe | what names are left? |
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| 19:34.41 | zebradog | roe, everyone in the toy story credits |
| 19:35.10 | olorin_ | The legacy of Bruce Perenz still lives on aye? |
| 19:35.23 | roe | zebradog, so Debian 6.0 will be 'Additional Voice'? |
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| 19:35.57 | olorin_ | Perens* |
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| 19:36.01 | zebradog | roe, no Makeup, I heard there'll be more of a females involved volunteering in the spear of heads |
| 19:36.03 | olorin_ | Sorry if you're around. |
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| 19:36.30 | pallgone | roe: how about Zurg? |
| 19:36.41 | olorin_ | zebradog: I want it to be "Tom Hanks"! |
| 19:37.04 | foetus | as shure as eggs is eggs - windows is not linux |
| 19:37.13 | foetus | :) |
| 19:37.15 | thewanderer1 | I'm getting this: ERROR: "sysfs_deprecated" [drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.ko] undefined! while compiling my kernel |
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| 19:37.23 | thewanderer1 | what to do now? O.o |
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| 19:38.26 | thewanderer1 | in my .config I have CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y |
| 19:38.55 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Comment it out. |
| 19:38.56 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.24 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: er... but it's telling me that sysfs_deprecated is undefined O.o |
| 19:39.33 | lord_rob | foetus: fortunately not :) |
| 19:40.15 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: What do you have to loose? Comment & try. |
| 19:40.15 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.31 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I have 4 hours to lose |
| 19:41.15 | dvs | !sparks |
| 19:41.24 | dvs | hmmmm |
| 19:42.37 | thewanderer1 | okay, I'm gonna set them to N in menuconfig |
| 19:42.58 | foetus | thewanderer1: if it fails again, i would try figure out kconfig, and try it again with menuconfig (or menuconfig at all) |
| 19:43.23 | foetus | thewanderer1: good luck. |
| 19:43.39 | thewanderer1 | I've run into this though: http://osdir.com/ml/general/2010-03/msg24483.html |
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| 19:45.39 | zebradog | thewanderer1, so download a patch for it |
| 19:45.53 | thewanderer1 | er... so it's a bug in Debian ain't it |
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| 19:46.25 | zebradog | thewanderer1, that's a compilation error. bugs are not compilation errors.. |
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| 19:46.43 | thewanderer1 | zebradog: but if it craps out with default Debian config, how can it not be a bug? |
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| 19:47.22 | zebradog | thewanderer1, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_%28computing%29 |
| 19:47.23 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: is it default Debian source? |
| 19:47.39 | zebradog | thewanderer1, there's something called a patch command that works against diff files to patch textual source code.. |
| 19:47.44 | thewanderer1 | apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 - this is what I did |
| 19:47.50 | thewanderer1 | zebradog: I know |
| 19:48.12 | thewanderer1 | the comments on that ML confused me: "we are uploading today 2.6.32.10 to unstable" |
| 19:48.17 | zebradog | thewanderer1, we're in august, that post you made was in march... |
| 19:48.20 | jelly-home | !tell thewanderer1 about kernel compile |
| 19:48.41 | zebradog | thewanderer1, check for any bleeding edge patches or /usr/share/doc/<approp?>.. for url/troubleshooting hints |
| 19:48.54 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I know, I'm doing this right now using make-kpkg |
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| 19:49.19 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: which package did you get the .config from? |
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| 19:49.53 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: make oldconfig, then disabled a few SATA controller drivers, IrDA and a few things in the networking |
| 19:50.09 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: make oldconfig from what? |
| 19:50.15 | thewanderer1 | from the running stock kernel |
| 19:50.23 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: uname -r? |
| 19:50.23 | thewanderer1 | (doesn't it work like this?) |
| 19:51.02 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.35-rc5 |
| 19:51.03 | thewanderer1 | uh huh. |
| 19:51.08 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's not stock. |
| 19:51.18 | thewanderer1 | yes it is |
| 19:51.23 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 19:51.24 | thewanderer1 | apt-getted it like 2 weeks ago |
| 19:51.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 19:51.45 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you could have only gotten it from experimental. |
| 19:51.53 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: true |
| 19:52.08 | jelly-home | and then it still wouldn't have had just "2.6.35-rc5" as uname -r output |
| 19:52.14 | ScottG | zebradog: Well It looks like i have wy more things in alsamixer |
| 19:52.20 | ScottG | zebradog: But recording isn't working |
| 19:52.20 | jelly-home | !tell thewanderer1 about experimental |
| 19:52.35 | thewanderer1 | huh |
| 19:52.51 | thewanderer1 | alright, but I'm getting the same errors when I pull oldconfig from my server's kernel |
| 19:52.55 | zebradog | ScottG, did you check the bios for anything? |
| 19:53.05 | thewanderer1 | now I was compiling this on my laptop which is faster |
| 19:53.26 | foetus | thewanderer1: i have compiled the 2.6.32st without any problem --> linux-source-xxxx-all.deb --> extract tar.bz2 --> diff it against kernel.org, and then compile --> no problem (except ext3, ordered blabla)... |
| 19:53.28 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you're using a .config from kernel some 6-9 months newer. Don't expect it to apply cleanly. |
| 19:54.05 | thewanderer1 | foetus: I need OpenVZ patchset |
| 19:54.08 | zebradog | ScottG, try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 19:54.09 | thewanderer1 | er, featureset |
| 19:54.22 | jelly-home | read that wiki page |
| 19:54.25 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: fails the same with .config from 2.6.32-5-openvz |
| 19:54.44 | foetus | thewanderer1: Oh, sorry. something complicated. |
| 19:55.12 | ScottG | zebradog: No, was I suppose to check the bios? I just added those lines in those two files |
| 19:55.39 | thewanderer1 | well, I generated the sources with featuresets using `fakeroot debian/rules source` |
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| 19:55.48 | zebradog | ScottG, is it a studio 1535 ? |
| 19:56.13 | thewanderer1 | then I got the directories in debian/build containing source_amd64_openvz/ and this is where I'm in, compiling from here... |
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| 19:56.36 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: well, you're doing something wrong but I'm not versed enough to say what exactly. none of the recent debian kernels would have CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED enabled. |
| 19:56.40 | zebradog | ScottG, does it say anything about version# ... apparently dell puts firmware updates on its support pages |
| 19:57.00 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: strange, I don't see an option to turn that off in menuconfig |
| 19:57.04 | ScottG | zebradog: I believe it's a 1535. Not 100% sure, like 90% sure |
| 19:57.17 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: use the search |
| 19:57.23 | jelly-home | / |
| 19:57.32 | thewanderer1 | huh, I didn't know about it, thanks |
| 19:57.44 | thewanderer1 | I thought only xconfig had this :P |
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| 19:58.12 | zebradog | ScottG, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/need-a-linux-command-which-will-give-me-manufacturer-and-model-of-the-linux-box-606480/ |
| 19:58.31 | zebradog | ScottG, how old was the laptop bought? |
| 19:58.47 | jelly-home | !tell ScottG about what's my hardware |
| 19:58.54 | thewanderer1 | sadly, there are no docs in /usr/share/doc/* relevant to my problem |
| 19:59.02 | ScottG | zebradog: About a year and a half. Not the last Christmas but the one before that is when I got it |
| 19:59.19 | jelly-home | ScottG: in particular, lshw and dmidecode will tell you about what the mainboard thinks it's called |
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| 19:59.48 | zebradog | ScottG, find out.. apparently at least for the 1535 there's one for dec 08 :) |
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| 20:00.23 | thewanderer1 | should SYSFS_DEPRECATED be selected by SYSFS? O.o |
| 20:00.27 | zebradog | one enhancement for 1535's newer bios is: "Added enhancement for Embedded controller. " |
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| 20:01.34 | zebradog | thewanderer1, i said to check out /usr/share/doc for any bleeding edge patches.. there ought to be somewhere.. |
| 20:01.51 | thewanderer1 | no entries at all for linux sources |
| 20:02.12 | thewanderer1 | only changelogs |
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| 20:03.02 | thewanderer1 | this is strange, perhaps that mailing list is my only hope :P |
| 20:03.35 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: try doing the procedure as close to what wiki page says. |
| 20:03.44 | ScottG | zebradog: Sorry, this took so long: |
| 20:03.46 | ScottG | product: Studio 1535 |
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| 20:03.53 | bq5jCpTRXzc | one+time+i+found+a+bum+passed+out.+i+thought+it+would+be+one+hell+of+a+gag+to+take+him+and+put+him+in+my+roomates+bed+with+him+so+i+did.+he+woke+up+to+the+shock+of+a+naked+bum+and+couldnt+stand+the+thought+of+what+might+have+happend+that+night.+he+then+killed+himself+before+i+could+enjoy+my+little+practical+joke |
| 20:03.54 | bq5jCpTRXzc | do+you+ever+get+these+weird+urges+to+jerk+off..+and+then+after+you+do+you+get+this+sick+feeling+in+your+stomach+like+you're+going+to+throwup+and+passout+? |
| 20:03.54 | ScottG | So it is a 1535 |
| 20:03.56 | bq5jCpTRXzc | I'm+a+4'2",+balding,+port-a-let+cleaner+with+dirty+fingernails+that+lives+with+his+step-mother.+My+dad+died+in+an+controversial+felching+accident+when+I+was+5.+Now+they+call+me+turd-gerbil.+Instead+of+an+asshole,+I+now+have+a+nice+cluster+of+hemorrhoidal+"grapes"+gently+tucked+between+my+butt+cheeks+and+for+some+reason,+they+smell+like+clams.+My+last+bowel+movement+was+9+days+ago.+They+hurt+so+bad+that+every+time+I+t |
| 20:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: So really, it takes four hours to get to the error in the compile process? |
| 20:03.58 | bq5jCpTRXzc | Sorry+to+burst+your+musical+bubble,+but+the+bands+you+listen+to+were+overwhelmingly+influenced+by+the+bands+I+listened+to+four+years+ago.+Try+to+keep+up. |
| 20:03.59 | ScottG | uh oh |
| 20:03.59 | bq5jCpTRXzc | Sex+is+a+beautiful+thing+and+it+should+not+be+restricted+to+certain+age+limits.+It+should+be+enjoyed+by+old+people+right+down+to+toddlers.+And+why+not?+Yeah,+I+hear+the+jokes+about+Catholic+priests.+But+people+should+just+shut+the+fuck+up+and+let+others+explore+the+deep,+mysterious+cave+that+is+SEX.+I+mean,+don't+knock+it+until+you+try+it.+Don't+say+it's+bad+until+you've+had+your+stiff+PENIS+shoved+so+far+up+a+childs |
| 20:04.00 | jelly-home | !ops bq5jCpTRXzc |
| 20:04.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: bq5jCpTRXzc |
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| 20:04.05 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes |
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| 20:04.09 | vHAEVYSxBq63qZ | Asimov,+I+want+you+to+fuck+me+in+the+ass+please.+I+am+dying+to+be+anally+accosted.+I+want+to+be+ravaged+like+hog.+I+want+you+to+dress+like+a+farmer+and+make+me+oink+like+a+pig.+I+want+an+ass+reaming+like+no+other.+Asimov,+I+haven't+had+this+kind+of+lust+for+you+since+the+crazy+college+days.+We+used+to+butt+fuck+each+other+in+the+stalls.+You+always+told+me+not+to+flush+and+preferred+using+my+feces+as+opposed+to+re |
| 20:04.12 | vHAEVYSxBq63qZ | Typing+laughter+on+IRC!While+I+understand+that+your+knowledge+of+the+world+outside+the+Frances-strewn+shards+that,+on+any+other+day,+would+have+comprised+your+double-wide+is+rather,+shall+we+say,+limited;+Here+in+the+big+scary+city+we+"America+Haters"+like+to+call+civilization,+there+are+rules+that+govern+behavior+and,+to+put+a+finer+point+on+it,+internet+humor.+And,+although+one+could+argue+that,+having+missed+o |
| 20:04.16 | ScottG | lol |
| 20:04.17 | zebradog | tell #freenode |
| 20:04.18 | vHAEVYSxBq63qZ | I've+gone+and+done+it+again.+After+shitting+on+the+toilet+seat+I+took+a+dab+of+crap+and+worked+it+into+my+hair.+Now+my+bald+spot+is+a+uniform+brown+along+with+the+rest+of+my+hair.+I+mussed+up+my+hair+enough+for+it+to+look+plausible.+I'm+back+in+the+conference+room+now+and+no+one+is+willing+to+meet+my+gaze.+I+have+to+clench+my+stomach+to+keep+from+vomiting.+My+penis+throbs+with+an+intense+erection. |
| 20:04.25 | RJDL8kwaWrpds | Excuse+me,+but+that+troll+you+just+pasted+is+over+ten+years+old;+i've+perused+my+logs+and+found+myself+referencing+said+troll+over+two+hundred+times.+Thank+you. |
| 20:04.26 | fbh | lolled |
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| 20:04.29 | jhutchins_lt | !ops spam in #d |
| 20:04.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jhutchins_lt complains about: spam in #d |
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| 20:04.38 | marshallmc | how do i remove all the packages except from debian to leave just the base system |
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| 20:04.41 | RJDL8kwaWrpds | Excuse+me,+but+that+troll+you+just+pasted+is+over+ten+years+old;+i've+perused+my+logs+and+found+myself+referencing+said+troll+over+two+hundred+times.+Thank+you. |
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| 20:04.48 | abrotman | whoopps |
| 20:04.49 | jelly-home | looks like another web-based exploit |
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| 20:04.57 | abrotman | close enough |
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| 20:05.17 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: on my Atom server, this takes more than 4h, and on my laptop I already disabled some modules so it's less than 4h fortunately |
| 20:05.20 | abrotman | no more web gateway .. ever |
| 20:05.46 | marshallmc | how do i remove all the packages except from debian to leave just the base system? |
| 20:05.51 | ScottG | zebradog: You get my last message? |
| 20:05.57 | marshallmc | or is that too difficult and i should just reformat it |
| 20:06.07 | fbh | marshallmc: you reinstall it |
| 20:06.28 | foetus | work is not hard enough for these guys, maybe.. |
| 20:06.39 | jelly-home | marshallmc: why would you do that? |
| 20:06.45 | abrotman | marshallmc: aptitude remove '~poptional' is a good start |
| 20:06.46 | zebradog | ScottG, you sure its a 1535? |
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| 20:06.57 | zebradog | ScottG, the dell site has an update for it |
| 20:07.04 | ScottG | zebradog: lshw says so :) |
| 20:07.09 | marshallmc | learning debian, messed something up and want to start over with the standard packages |
| 20:07.26 | thewanderer1 | why would SYSFS depend on SYSFS_DEPRECATED? sounds mad |
| 20:07.30 | Techtronic | i have 2 sound cards, howto disable one ? |
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| 20:08.06 | zebradog | ScottG, you can burn a floppy image -- to a cd (if you dont have a floppy drive), it has to be "injected" for cdboot-"floppy 1.44 mb emulation" |
| 20:08.06 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: uh... ask ##kernel? |
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| 20:08.10 | cahoot | blacklist its module |
| 20:08.21 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: oh, thanks |
| 20:08.27 | cahoot | Techtronic: ^^ |
| 20:08.36 | zebradog | ScottG, before burning you can try testing it with a vm software like virtualbox.. |
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| 20:08.49 | jelly-home | Techtronic: do you really want to disable it, or would you be happy with it merely not being default? |
| 20:08.58 | ScottG | zebradog: I think I lost you a little while ago. Dell has an update for what? |
| 20:08.59 | abrotman | marshallmc: wouldn't it be more fun to fix the problem instead of doing what you're doing? |
| 20:09.13 | Techtronic | jelly-home och yes because no sound |
| 20:09.23 | zebradog | (most of the times legimitate cd boot images work.. it only occurs that once out of 8 times a cd image with dos on it doesn't work under some vm softare im trying out) |
| 20:09.32 | marshallmc | it would be more fun you are correct abrotman |
| 20:09.45 | ScottG | zebradog: There is an update for my bios? |
| 20:09.52 | foetus | sysfs (deprecated or not) is needed by acpid (not shure) |
| 20:09.54 | zebradog | ScottG, the software on your system starts from a chip called the bios. The bios then kicks up your linux.. |
| 20:10.06 | foetus | *sure |
| 20:10.10 | cahoot | Techtronic: wrong card gets to be default? |
| 20:10.14 | Gijs | hey all |
| 20:10.18 | Gijs | is there any firewall for ports? |
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| 20:10.31 | Gijs | so i can block any ip on port 7892 |
| 20:10.33 | zebradog | ScottG, so basically you're updating software on the bios chip.. if you don't know how to do it.. then you should see if you're covered by dell sales if you're granted a free bios upgrade.. |
| 20:10.38 | jelly-home | Techtronic: pastebin your "cat /proc/asound/cards" and let's say "lsmod|grep snd" and point out which one you want disabled |
| 20:10.42 | jordanm | Gijs: iptables |
| 20:10.43 | zebradog | ScottG, is the ver A06 by any chance? |
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| 20:10.51 | ScottG | zebradog: Not sure |
| 20:11.07 | ScottG | zebradog: It's A05 |
| 20:11.14 | Gijs | wich options lol |
| 20:11.14 | zebradog | oh |
| 20:11.17 | zebradog | hahaah.. |
| 20:11.43 | zebradog | ScottG, so maybe not or maybe so.. um.. if you want i can make you the cd image.. up to you.. |
| 20:12.25 | zebradog | ScottG, basically u make a dos-bootable floppy and copy their firmware files to it, then burn it specially (injection bootcode) to the cd.. |
| 20:12.40 | Techtronic | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/7vQuEULm |
| 20:12.44 | zebradog | or if anyone wants to help him out making for him that's fine too |
| 20:13.33 | zebradog | (says it wont be more than 2mb to burn) |
| 20:13.33 | thewanderer1 | hm, I wish I could upgrade my BIOS too... I have no optical drives nor floppys though ;P |
| 20:13.33 | zebradog | ScottG, you then run a program that will update the "software" in the bios.. |
| 20:13.35 | ScottG | zebradog: Thanks, I'd like to try to do it myself. More knowledge the better. But it depends on how hard it is and if this is really that necessary. What will updating the BIOS do? |
| 20:14.04 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: for this, you have to read the changelog provided by your vendor |
| 20:14.20 | thewanderer1 | they usually supply a list of corrected errors |
| 20:14.30 | zebradog | ScottG, not hard.. u can get free dosboots from bootdisk.com (dont load emm386, probably not even himem.sys), you familiar with dos stuff? |
| 20:14.44 | zebradog | ScottG, i have dos template boot images.. |
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| 20:15.11 | ScottG | zebradog: I have made a boot floppy before for one of my really old computers that couldn't boot from CD |
| 20:15.21 | zebradog | (says usually u use dos 6.x for ensuring compat with bios update app when company says "dos") |
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| 20:16.17 | zebradog | ScottG, http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&ServiceTag=&SystemID=STUDIO1535&os=WLH&osl=en&catid=&impid= |
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| 20:16.47 | marshallmc | boot off freedos |
| 20:16.52 | marshallmc | run program with that |
| 20:16.55 | marshallmc | flash bios |
| 20:16.58 | marshallmc | boot off harddrive |
| 20:18.01 | Gijs | Can anybody give me a small example to block (FOR EXAMPLE) ip 12.34.567.890 on port: 7777 |
| 20:18.08 | zebradog | only trusts dos 6.22 for flash updates |
| 20:18.44 | zebradog | when a company says to use dos, but i dont think this .exe they bundled extracts.. so i guess its virualbox again.. |
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| 20:19.15 | Gijs | iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -d 12.34.567.890 -dport 7777 -j DROP |
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| 20:19.19 | Gijs | will that work? |
| 20:19.32 | ScottG | zebradog: Ok, so I select BIOS for OS and then download the file |
| 20:19.38 | EGreg__ | hey guys |
| 20:19.39 | EGreg__ | can you please help |
| 20:19.44 | b0xy | After installing from USB device and removing my thumbdrive, I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 20:19.46 | EGreg__ | how can I make two users share a screen session using screen |
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| 20:19.47 | jordanm | zebradog: I have found you can call "unzip" on many self-extracting windows .exe files |
| 20:19.48 | b0xy | Anyone have any ideas here? |
| 20:19.49 | EGreg__ | named sessions? |
| 20:20.08 | ScottG | zebradog: What is the next step? |
| 20:20.09 | abrotman | EGreg__: the screen man page discusses this |
| 20:20.14 | EGreg__ | abrotman: I can't find it |
| 20:20.16 | thewanderer1 | EGreg__: look up screen ACLs and so on |
| 20:20.19 | zebradog | ScottG, a bios is like an OS, but we nod that, we care about the main on-power running os called linux.. we just call it "bios" not bios_os.. |
| 20:20.21 | EGreg__ | the manpage is over 30 pages thats why |
| 20:20.25 | abrotman | so read it |
| 20:20.34 | EGreg__ | I am not going to read 30 pages |
| 20:20.38 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: yes, you have the root device set wrongly |
| 20:20.40 | EGreg__ | just to find 1 thing |
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| 20:20.45 | EGreg__ | there's got to be a faster way |
| 20:20.45 | Techtronic | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/7vQuEULm HDMI |
| 20:20.47 | abrotman | Oh okay, let me read it for you .. makes much more sense |
| 20:20.50 | EGreg__ | than reading and understanding 30 pages |
| 20:20.59 | EGreg__ | abrotman: I see, so I have ot read a book in order to do 1 thing |
| 20:21.03 | thewanderer1 | EGreg__: press "/" slash and type your search term then press enter in manpage browser |
| 20:21.05 | zebradog | ScottG, like you can update linux, the bios resides on writable chip.. this software is called "firmware" |
| 20:21.08 | ScottG | zebradog: Well I just meant that bios was under the OS section |
| 20:21.12 | EGreg__ | this is why linux will never be used by home users :( |
| 20:21.17 | EGreg__ | imagine how many books i'd have to read on each command lol |
| 20:21.19 | abrotman | or learn how to skim, or ask google, or even ask #screen |
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| 20:21.28 | b0xy | thewanderer1: from reading I kinda figured that out, but I'm not sure how to change it to the HDD, which is now sda instead of sdb as it was during install. point me in the right direction? |
| 20:21.40 | abrotman | EGreg__: trolling us won't get you an answer |
| 20:21.40 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: root=/dev/sda |
| 20:21.54 | Gijs | or: # iptables -A INPUT -s 12.34.567.890 -p tcp --destination-port 7777 -j DROP ??? |
| 20:22.11 | b0xy | thewanderer1: where do I set that argument? |
| 20:22.11 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: first, to boot altogether, press "e" in GRUB so that you can edit command lines, find the offending part and change the "root=" parameter |
| 20:22.17 | zebradog | ScottG, computer is modular, you have linux, which is on the harddrive, and the bios software, all on its own with it's little teenie os may you say existign only on its own chip.. a bios update is basically "updating the firmware on the chip only" |
| 20:22.23 | thewanderer1 | b0xy, GRUB will allow you to do that on boot |
| 20:22.30 | b0xy | thewanderer1: aaah. k. one sec. I'll give it a shot |
| 20:22.36 | ScottG | EGreg__: You don't necessarily need to read all 30 pages. Look for the second of interest and read it. Or search around the page for keywords |
| 20:23.00 | EGreg__ | well it looks like the manpage has a few interesting tidbits that MAY be related to it |
| 20:23.03 | EGreg__ | like acladd, acldel |
| 20:23.20 | thewanderer1 | doesn't think his computer is modular - it has a soldered-in CPU and a similarly glued buggy BIOS |
| 20:23.23 | EGreg__ | too bad you can't just say something like "screen -r foo" starts a session called foo, or joins one called foo |
| 20:23.31 | b0xy | thewanderer1: I get a graphical screen rather than the GRUB loader screen. how do I interrupt and add arguments? |
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| 20:23.51 | jelly-home | Techtronic: alright, so go and blacklist snd_hda_codec_atihdmi module |
| 20:23.57 | jelly-home | !tell Techtronic about blacklist |
| 20:23.57 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: you should see GRUB when you boot, before the graphical splash screen |
| 20:24.07 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: it presents you with a list of kernels to choose from |
| 20:24.13 | marshallmc | how do i get a list of installed packages |
| 20:24.22 | abrotman | !tell marshallmc about installed |
| 20:24.25 | zebradog | ScottG, you have windows installed? apparently their dam bios only seems to exist in an .exe |
| 20:24.49 | ScottG | zebradog: I have Windows on my desktop, yes. |
| 20:24.49 | zebradog | ScottG, then you can shutdown/power back on to linux and see if sound mic works |
| 20:24.53 | jelly-home | Techtronic: this should be active at next reboot |
| 20:25.08 | Techtronic | jelly-home ok |
| 20:25.19 | b0xy | thewanderer1: got it. had to hit escape. |
| 20:25.22 | zebradog | ScottG, i thought u didnt have windows so i was trying to see if the .exe was extratable to make a bootable cd.. |
| 20:25.23 | ScottG | zebradog: Did you just mean Windows installed on m laptop? |
| 20:25.50 | marshallmc | now where can i find which packages are installed during the debian install process? |
| 20:25.55 | b0xy | thewanderer1: it's set as root hd(0,0). changed to root=/dev/sda and now get "error 11: unrecognized device string" |
| 20:26.14 | zebradog | ScottG, 1535_A06.EXE is the name of the .exe , not sure what the other with '.application' is for |
| 20:26.20 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: root=/dev/sda will not work right unless you really have a filesystem on your whole /dev/sda |
| 20:26.28 | marshallmc | *os install process |
| 20:26.38 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: and this error is from GRUB - invalid syntax. it's (hd0,0), not hd(0,0) |
| 20:26.39 | zebradog | ScottG, do it with the power plug in.. |
| 20:26.42 | abrotman | marshallmc: man dpkg or man apt-file |
| 20:26.44 | ScottG | zebradog: What .application are you referring to? |
| 20:27.02 | zebradog | ScottG, not important, they just links from that download site |
| 20:27.16 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: by the way, I think GRUB2 changed numbering - if you're on Testing (you probably are......) then you might have to use (hd1,1) instead of hd0 |
| 20:27.17 | b0xy | thewanderer1: right, sorry. I believe I do. I installed using the entirety of the disk during installation. |
| 20:27.34 | ScottG | zebradog: Oh ok. Alright so I have the .exe, what now? |
| 20:27.35 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: then Debian has partitioned the disk for you. try /dev/sda1 |
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| 20:27.58 | b0xy | thewanderer1: (hd1,1) disk does not exist. tried sda1 also and same error |
| 20:28.01 | b0xy | as before |
| 20:28.01 | zebradog | ScottG, you run it on windows and see either it extracts or does the firmware update |
| 20:28.11 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: let's not mix 2 things |
| 20:28.17 | ScottG | zebradog: Ah alright |
| 20:28.23 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: first, does GRUB know about your disk? |
| 20:28.27 | zebradog | ScottG, if it just extracts and doesnt do a firmware update, then you'll have to make a boot cd or follow any readmes... |
| 20:28.37 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: if it loads your kernel then it probably does |
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| 20:28.49 | zebradog | wishes companies can make a "cd image" for bios updates... |
| 20:29.16 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: then you shall not touch GRUB's "root (hd0,0)" line, only modify Linux's line and point it to root=/dev/sda1 |
| 20:29.30 | zebradog | even my bios has a bug.. dam bootup thing jams with a usb drive plugged in |
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| 20:29.39 | ScottG | zebradog: huh, well I got an error |
| 20:29.52 | zebradog | ScottG, try to 'run as admin' |
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| 20:30.06 | zebradog | (properties or 'run as' option context) |
| 20:30.19 | ScottG | zebradog: An unexpected error occurred while running the Flash Application. blah blah bla Application Error REturn: <hexidecimal stuff> |
| 20:30.26 | ScottG | zebradog: k |
| 20:30.27 | b0xy | thewanderer1: aah. got ya. I didn't understand the difference. |
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| 20:30.51 | zebradog | checks with dependsw32 |
| 20:31.09 | ScottG | zebradog: Still an error. I am thinking the error is due to noticing It's not on a Studio 15 |
| 20:31.23 | b0xy | thewanderer1: aha! works! thank you! I knew it was something very simple and I was right on the edge of understanding what it was that I needed to change, just not familiar enough with linux to know *what* exactly |
| 20:31.36 | ScottG | zebradog: Do you think Wine could help here? |
| 20:31.39 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: now change GRUB's confi |
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| 20:32.09 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: when you boot, head straight on to /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the line that contains default Linux parameters, then run "update-grub" (all that as root) |
| 20:32.30 | zebradog | ScottG, no way.. |
| 20:32.45 | zebradog | ScottG, win natively.. i believe it needs that ver windows it's expecting... |
| 20:32.48 | b0xy | thewanderer1: working on that now. |
| 20:33.08 | zebradog | ScottG, hte ver win that came with the laptop, was it Vista? |
| 20:33.49 | ScottG | zebradog: Yes |
| 20:33.50 | zebradog | ScottG, it really is a hassle to get it up right.. |
| 20:34.00 | zebradog | ScottG, what's there now, the same ver vista? |
| 20:34.35 | ScottG | zebradog: Is this completely necessary? I've been at computer stuff all day. I definitely want to do this if you think it's important but another day might be better |
| 20:34.45 | ScottG | zebradog: No, just Linux |
| 20:34.54 | ScottG | Although I do have space reserved for Windows |
| 20:35.03 | ScottG | I have like 50 gigs or so of ntfs |
| 20:35.13 | ScottG | But no install on the partition |
| 20:36.00 | zebradog | ScottG, well if they were kind enough they would of place more detail about what was updated in the embedded controller stuff of the firmware.. |
| 20:36.43 | zebradog | ScottG, i keep a bloody windows partition always reserved just for this purpose because i know motherboard manuf are always releasing updated bioses.. |
| 20:37.12 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea. I was planning on installing Windows on there eventually |
| 20:37.27 | ScottG | Do they have ext4 drivers for Windows 7 yet? |
| 20:37.30 | zebradog | ScottG, so install the exact same ver that came with the pc.. |
| 20:37.39 | b0xy | thewanderer1: works great now. thanks again |
| 20:38.11 | Techtronic | jelly-home: thank you very much |
| 20:38.42 | ScottG | zebradog: Not even sure where the Vista CD is tbh |
| 20:38.43 | zebradog | ScottG, or.. |
| 20:38.53 | ScottG | I never planned on using Vista since Windows 7 came out. |
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| 20:39.15 | zebradog | ScottG, try seeing if its a dumb flash lib their stupid app takes.. maybe its looking for adobe air, or shockwave player/flash lib or something |
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| 20:40.01 | ScottG | Dude this is getting out of hand. I'd rather look for the vista disk and just install it on my laptop |
| 20:40.01 | zebradog | ScottG, "An unexpected error occured while running the Flash application 0x00000203" |
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| 20:40.27 | zebradog | ScottG, it' right around the corner probably.. |
| 20:40.52 | ScottG | So try updating my Flash version? |
| 20:41.13 | zebradog | ScottG, "flash it in pure dos from a floppy! " << someone said this at http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/t/17303866.aspx |
| 20:41.32 | zebradog | ScottG, but i believe it's binded to w32 libs.. |
| 20:41.56 | elik | I want to setup a raid5. I have 3 hard drive, one of which contain my data. Is it possible to have this drive added to the array and replicate data across other drives? |
| 20:42.31 | zebradog | (dependswalker shows that it is, so its not a dos app and should be run from stupid winbloze)... |
| 20:42.56 | zebradog | ScottG, someone said they tried if from safemode and got it to run from there |
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| 20:43.27 | ScottG | So reboot into safemode and try running it and it should extract? |
| 20:43.28 | pallgone | zebradog: what vendor is the pc? |
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| 20:44.32 | zebradog | ScottG, see.. |
| 20:44.34 | Argafal | if anyone is familiar with dm-crypt of debian: I have a disk of pre-luks area i wanna read. back then it was sufficient to say in crypttab "crypt /dev/sdd none none" and provide the password to /etc/init.d/cryptdisks start for being able to mount with mount -t xfs /dev/mapper/crypt /foobar. now the same results in fdisk -l /dev/mapper/crypt "Disk /dev/mapper/crypt300 doesn't contain a valid partition table" Did any defaults change? |
| 20:44.44 | zebradog | ScottG, safemode (and not on wine) of course |
| 20:44.48 | Argafal | Password IS definitely correct. |
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| 20:45.12 | zebradog | ScottG, and safemode not on linux obviously |
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| 20:45.54 | ScottG | zebradog: lol Linux has a safemode? And I can't seem to remember how to get Windows to boot into safe mode |
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| 20:46.09 | pallgone | ScottG: ah, it's your pc... what vendor? |
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| 20:46.23 | mattfury | hello |
| 20:46.25 | ScottG | My laptop? |
| 20:46.31 | pallgone | yeah |
| 20:46.47 | mattfury | whats radeon 4350 video support for debian 5.0? |
| 20:46.53 | mattfury | ^like |
| 20:47.16 | abrotman | probably not there i'd imagine |
| 20:47.29 | abrotman | mattfury: do you know the pciid ? |
| 20:47.39 | EGreg__ | hey guys |
| 20:47.39 | EGreg__ | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 |
| 20:47.42 | EGreg__ | for future info |
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| 20:47.52 | ScottG | nvm, got it into safemode |
| 20:47.54 | mattfury | will i be able to get it from xp -> ati control center? |
| 20:48.16 | abrotman | mattfury: in the device manager it's in there, the Vendor and PCIID strings |
| 20:48.17 | ScottG | pallgone: Dell Studio 135 |
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| 20:49.29 | Sia- | is possible to download website if the root directory is redirected to another website? |
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| 20:49.55 | mattfury | abrotman, i cant find it in the details... |
| 20:49.58 | Sia- | i tried with wget -r --no-parent but this downloading just the index.html |
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| 20:50.11 | ScottG | zebradog: in safemode, trying now to open it |
| 20:50.13 | pallgone | ScottG: shouldn't be a problem to flash the bios... let's see |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | mattfury: it's in one of the tabs .. i've seen it |
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| 20:50.41 | ScottG | zebradog: No good. Got a different error, though |
| 20:50.48 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: look for an option to stop following redirects or sth |
| 20:50.49 | zebradog | ScottG, what error is that? |
| 20:50.55 | ScottG | Application error return and Windows error return |
| 20:51.03 | ScottG | so maybe not much different of an error |
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| 20:51.30 | zebradog | ScottG, i see this -> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php?topic=42859.0 |
| 20:51.43 | zebradog | ScottG, instead of deleting rename it like XYZDell |
| 20:51.48 | Sia- | thewanderer1, Thnxdid n't found any option, therefor i'm asking her |
| 20:52.07 | pallgone | ScottG: you're sure it's a studio 135? can't find that |
| 20:52.07 | zebradog | ScottG, rather disble it instead.. renaming it wont prevent it from strating up |
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| 20:52.38 | ScottG | pallgone: Sorry, 1535. This keyboard has issues |
| 20:52.39 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: check out httrack, it's a lot better for mirroring sites than wget |
| 20:52.41 | zebradog | ScottG, (4 == disable in 'Start') |
| 20:53.25 | Sia- | thewanderer1, right but does't have this option too |
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| 20:53.58 | thnee | can i configure yafc to always exclude dot files? |
| 20:54.11 | zebradog | thought dell was a nice company, not after seeing something like poopy .exes |
| 20:54.15 | thnee | it's pretty annoying that it always uploads dot files, those files are supposed to be hidden... ? |
| 20:54.37 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: try -d option in httrack, it's supposed to "stay on the same domain" |
| 20:55.07 | ScottG | zebradog: What do you mean "disble" it? |
| 20:55.37 | Argafal | is there probably a better channel to ask about cryptsetup/dm-crypt? i'm using debian for years now and i'm wondering if default parameters changed in between |
| 20:55.49 | ScottG | zebradog: ic |
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| 20:56.00 | thewanderer1 | Argafal: the default encryption/hashing has changed somewhere between lenny and squeeze, I don't know more |
| 20:56.23 | ScottG | zebradog: And I should reboot in safemode again? |
| 20:56.25 | Sia- | thewanderer1, i tried -d tow downloading just the index.html |
| 20:56.46 | zebradog | ScottG, if it doesnt work, i can send over a cdimage to burn (if u dont have a floppy drive).. and try it from dos prompt |
| 20:56.53 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: then you have to pass it all links to URLs you want to start it at, I suppose |
| 20:57.04 | Argafal | thewanderer1: any idea how to proceed to find out the old default settings? |
| 20:57.10 | zebradog | ScottG, y.. reboot after disabling that service.. then try exe again |
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| 20:57.29 | thewanderer1 | Argafal: look at cryptsetup's changelog in /usr/share/doc/* |
| 20:57.37 | zebradog | ScottG, try normal and safemode with at service disabled.. |
| 20:57.47 | Sia- | thewanderer1, that is my problem is xxx file with index.html in root directory |
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| 20:58.54 | ScottG | zebradog: Didn't work in normal mode |
| 20:59.04 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: I don't quite know what you mean now |
| 20:59.16 | ScottG | Onl way I can get it to go into safe mode is my just hitting the reset button :/ lol |
| 20:59.23 | zebradog | ScottG, you sure 'Start' == 4 ? for that service? |
| 20:59.38 | pallgone | ScottG: I think it should also run under DOS, at least it says: File Format:Windows/DOS |
| 20:59.43 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea |
| 21:00.01 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: if you mean that you want to list a directory because you don't know the files' names, then reconsider maybe... |
| 21:00.05 | pallgone | I've flashed a BIOS on a Dell with FreeDOS like that |
| 21:00.17 | zebradog | ScottG, just gimme a couple of min... i'll prepup a cdimage |
| 21:00.21 | ScottG | zebradog: Start > Modify > changed the 3 to a 4 |
| 21:00.28 | ScottG | checking now and it's still a 4 |
| 21:00.41 | Sia- | thewanderer1, is website domain.net and is 100 file in domain.net/ i want to download all the files, but index.html inside domain.com have redirection to another.com and let me not download the files |
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| 21:00.52 | ScottG | zebradog: No good :/ |
| 21:01.22 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: so how do you know that the files are there? |
| 21:01.49 | ScottG | zebradog: What about my mic not working after I did that modprobe.d stuff? |
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| 21:02.19 | Sia- | because created by my self |
| 21:02.57 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: does index.html contain links to all those files? |
| 21:03.05 | Sia- | no |
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| 21:03.19 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: how do you expect wget or httrack to know what it should download? |
| 21:03.26 | Sia- | just redirection with JS to another domain |
| 21:03.33 | ScottG | zebradog: Ok, I lied, it does seem to work. I guess I just need to mess around with the alsamixer controls again |
| 21:03.55 | pallgone | ScottG: if you don't succeed I could make you a bootable FreeDOS usb image with the BIOS... so let me know... time to sleep now |
| 21:04.06 | ScottG | zebradog: Oh, just saw your pm |
| 21:04.11 | seanh | Can anyone help me with a shell config problem? I'm using dash, but this is happening to me whatever shell I use. Files in my scripts folder are not being added to my path, even though scripts is on my path: http://dpaste.com/226378/ |
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| 21:05.00 | r3m | hi |
| 21:05.21 | jelly-home | seanh: instead of ~, use the real path |
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| 21:05.26 | thewanderer1 | seanh: perhaps they are not set to chmod +x, too? |
| 21:05.41 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you didn't look at the pastebin. |
| 21:05.43 | seanh | thewanderer1, they are |
| 21:05.52 | seanh | jelly-home, I'll try that |
| 21:05.59 | ScottG | zebradog: Not sure how to get 0x04. It says 0x00000004 now |
| 21:06.35 | quiritius | seanh: only for root, but not a user |
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| 21:07.00 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: let me repeat my question, how do you expect wget or httrack to know what it should download? |
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| 21:07.45 | seanh | jelly-home: I changed ~/scripts to /home/seanh/scripts in my ~/.profile file. Started a new sh session. echo $PATH, it still reads ~/scripts on the path. The same thing happened with fish shell. |
| 21:07.56 | bezaban | did you export the var? |
| 21:08.01 | bezaban | oh nvm |
| 21:08.10 | ScottG | zebradog: Bah I messed something up messing with the binary data |
| 21:08.12 | Sia- | thewanderer1, liek wget --no-redirects doamin.com/* |
| 21:08.30 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: alright. now tell me, how do you get a file listing on domain.com ? |
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| 21:09.02 | zebradog | ScottG, just booting in vm |
| 21:09.23 | Sia- | thewanderer1, i cant be cause is index.html Blank body just with javascipt to redirct the website after 1 second to another.com |
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| 21:09.34 | seanh | bezaban: Yes. here's my .profile: http://dpaste.com/226380/ |
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| 21:10.08 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: yes - but how do you get a list of files on your domain? how is a HTTP client supposed to know what files there are in your directory? |
| 21:10.41 | zebradog | ScottG, supposedly it's a dual compiled .exe, it also runs in plain dos... |
| 21:10.47 | jelly-home | seanh: was it a new login shell? |
| 21:10.49 | zebradog | ScottG, i can send it to you... |
| 21:10.56 | Sia- | i need to download all *.odf files without *.html or blbla |
| 21:11.02 | jelly-home | seanh: I mean, was that updated .profile even used? |
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| 21:11.22 | seanh | jelly-home: Closed my terminal window, opened it again. |
| 21:11.25 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: yes. you're not getting this... how does wget / httrack find the URLs of the files to download? |
| 21:11.38 | quiritius | seanh: you try to run the script from a normal user, but it is set to be executable only by root. make chmod +x foo |
| 21:11.50 | seanh | jelly-home: Even if I delete the export PATH line from .profile entirely, echo $PATH gives same output. Where is it coming from? |
| 21:11.58 | zebradog | ScottG, u can simply burn this .iso, boot , hit <enter><enter> for not changing time/date, then do "dir" , then type that .exe file and hit enter |
| 21:12.03 | zebradog | ScottG, it works.. |
| 21:12.13 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: do you expect it to obtain a directory listing from http://domain.com/ ? how? |
| 21:12.20 | seanh | quiritius, no, it is executable by user |
| 21:12.22 | jelly-home | seanh: log off, log in again. Or log in from a different console (Ctrl-Alt-F2) |
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| 21:12.30 | Argafal | thewanderer1: yeah, it is true, the cipher default changed. unfortunately setting it to the old value according to the changelog didn't help. does anyone know if there is a better channel to ask about those specific cryptsetup things? |
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| 21:12.39 | jelly-home | seanh: it's coming from its parent process. |
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| 21:12.59 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: wget and httrack are web spiders. they follow links (<a href="URL that will be followed">link text</a>). no input, no output, it's simple. |
| 21:13.02 | jelly-home | seanh: this is how environment variables work |
| 21:13.03 | Sia- | thewanderer1, that is what i want to do in dirctory doamin.com/dir/ with index.html work wget -no-parent very well but this directoin code is a problem |
| 21:13.22 | quiritius | seanh: yes, my mistake |
| 21:13.28 | Sia- | i need something to ignore this redirection and download all *.odf files |
| 21:13.43 | jelly-home | seanh: now, if you did "sh -l" things might be different; you'll have to RTFM to confirm dash behaviour |
| 21:13.51 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: what precisely is *.odf in terms of HTTP? you do know that you can NOT list files on a website, do you? |
| 21:14.08 | ScottG | zebradog: Got my mic working :) |
| 21:14.17 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: HTTP protocol specifies methods for obtaining a file contents. a single file only. HTTP does not support directory listings. |
| 21:14.19 | zebradog | ScottG, if you dont trust me, you can always check the md5sums of the stuff, extract the bootimage etc :) |
| 21:14.22 | ScottG | zebradog: How did we get started on this whole BIOS this? |
| 21:14.27 | Sia- | i can't lisdt the files because og redirection and idex.html |
| 21:14.29 | ScottG | thing* |
| 21:14.36 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: so there is your problem! |
| 21:14.37 | jelly-home | gives thewanderer1 an apache mod_index to make things more confusing |
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| 21:14.50 | zebradog | ScottG, the release notes from the dell site says "embedded controller" , hence it can be anything.. maybe even the audio.. |
| 21:14.51 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: this is not HTTP, this is a webpage of links. |
| 21:15.00 | Sia- | :) |
| 21:15.08 | ScottG | zebradog: But as far as I can tell everything is working fine |
| 21:15.11 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: look, if you don't give links to your web spider, it will not find your files |
| 21:15.21 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: this is how HTTP works |
| 21:15.28 | elik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.31 | zebradog | ScottG, well its up to you.. but there are enhancements and bugs fixed with a06.. |
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| 21:15.57 | seanh | I'm unable to login to a virtual terminal, it just hangs. Going to log out of the desktop and login again |
| 21:15.59 | Sia- | but with wget no-parent doamin.com/dir/ work very well even i can't list the files |
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| 21:16.14 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea but the thing is, if I don't know what changed I can't try to take advantage of the enhancements |
| 21:16.23 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: if you can't list the files, it means that you can't download them |
| 21:16.25 | foetus | Sia-: as thewanderer1 said, directory listing with asterisk (*) is not possible. |
| 21:16.45 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: HTTP has no facility for listing files - file listing are only provided by the server as pages of links or so. |
| 21:16.53 | zebradog | ScottG, i've done firmware upgrades on printers.. in all cases it's logic code that gets updated.. |
| 21:17.03 | Sia- | foetus, i can very well in all other directory without the webroot, because of the redirection code |
| 21:17.17 | zebradog | ScottG, linux would only report a A06 rather than a05 with dmidecode.. doesn't effect anything... |
| 21:17.35 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: yes, but what makes it work is not directory listing. Apache just generates links for you. |
| 21:17.38 | zebradog | except for the lower ended part of the hardware which is beyond linx/windows control.. |
| 21:17.51 | zebradog | ScottG, think 'hal'.. hardware abstraction layer.. |
| 21:17.58 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: and if you disable a listing for a directory, Apache will NOT instruct your web spider as to where to find the files |
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| 21:18.26 | ScottG | zebradog: I don't know much about hal :/ |
| 21:18.35 | Sia- | thewanderer1, that is not my case and i know c.a the rules of apache |
| 21:18.39 | foetus | Sia-: do it, however..but officially its not possible, maybe not allowed. |
| 21:18.39 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: HTTP works like this: GET /file/path.extension. HTTP is a protocol which reads a file name from the user and returns file contents. it does NOT list directories. |
| 21:18.39 | Sia- | thnx anyway |
| 21:18.53 | ScottG | zebradog: But you just basically told me nothing will change |
| 21:18.56 | zebradog | ScottG, you consider the bios as part of the hardware.. a few logic routines are updated and linux would never know about it because it only deals with HAL.. |
| 21:19.58 | foetus | but you can get a directory listing as dump with wget, thats it |
| 21:20.10 | zebradog | ScottG, your mic may/may not work.. ^^ (dell didnt say what embedded controller) |
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| 21:22.24 | zebradog | ScottG, it's not like i haven't done this before, i've been doing this for years.. even graphic cards can have their firmwares updated as well.. |
| 21:22.38 | zebradog | cddrives..etc etc.. |
| 21:22.54 | seanh | Ok, I fixed it by changing ~/scripts to /home/seanh/scripts in ~/.profile and then logging out and logging in again. But this means my config file is not portable, is there some way to do it without using an absolute path? |
| 21:23.07 | thewanderer1 | seanh: yes, use a variable |
| 21:23.12 | foetus | would be nice on apache, list all the content of a repository and get it :) |
| 21:23.21 | ScottG | zebradog: Right, but like I said, my mic does seem to be working and I think I'd rather save this for another day |
| 21:23.41 | zebradog | ScottG, basically i have the .iso image here.. u simply burn, and run the .exe file.. |
| 21:23.45 | zebradog | its 2 mb.. |
| 21:23.50 | seanh | thewanderer1, $HOME? |
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| 21:24.11 | zebradog | ScottG, or you can try to make one.. like described above.. |
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| 21:24.13 | ScottG | zebradog: lol alright send it over or put it somewhere for me to dl |
| 21:24.29 | seanh | Have to login and out again to test it |
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| 21:27.58 | foetus | btw, i have three dos-systems available for flashing bios, and floppy images.. |
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| 21:29.47 | ScottG | If I'm on Debian testing would it be safe to download a .deb meant for Lenny? |
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| 21:30.11 | jelly-home | ScottG: download, sure. Install, less so! |
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| 21:30.25 | ScottG | lol |
| 21:30.25 | b0xy | thewanderer1, you still around? |
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| 21:30.38 | jelly-home | ScottG: which particular deb are you talking about? |
| 21:30.44 | ScottG | jelly-home: I guess I'll get the tar |
| 21:30.52 | ScottG | jelly-home: http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/ |
| 21:31.16 | jelly-home | ScottG: it might need some coercing, but that's what I'm using. |
| 21:31.30 | ScottG | jelly-home: What did you have t do? |
| 21:31.35 | zebradog | ScottG, i'll just email it.. so much easier.. you have a yahoo mail? apparently there's no room left or something with megaupload |
| 21:32.02 | jelly-home | ScottG: it'll be obvious if it fails to install |
| 21:32.16 | ScottG | jelly-home: True. |
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| 21:32.46 | ScottG | jelly-home: What's the different between the dynamic and static links on that page? |
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| 21:33.59 | b0xy | Can't get my system to boot after fresh install from thumbdrive. I think it's still pointing to the wrong boot device somehow. everything points to /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sda1. getting the error "Could not open -p. fsck.ext3: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sdb1" |
| 21:34.08 | b0xy | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 21:35.04 | jelly-home | ScottG: just get the lenny package |
| 21:35.06 | a-l-e | hi i'm trying to install debian testing on a eeepc... but it's failing to find the installer iso image... |
| 21:35.10 | a-l-e | any idea? |
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| 21:35.33 | ScottG | jelly-home: Yea, it's downloading now. I am just curious as to what "dynamic" and "static" mean |
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| 21:36.24 | beardy | !eeepc |
| 21:36.24 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:36.32 | jelly-home | ScottG: http://kb.iu.edu/data/akqn.html says google about "dynamic linking" |
| 21:36.35 | merovinq_ | I am having a problem with cron, if i run: "crontab /path_to_file" under root the cronjob runs. I would like to have www-data run the cronjob however if I run: "crontab -u www-data /path_to_file" the cronjob gets added, but it never attempts to run... anyone more knowledgable than I know why? |
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| 21:37.51 | a-l-e | beardy: i already asked the question on #eeepc and i have been sent here... |
| 21:38.01 | ScottG | jelly-home: Yea I just saw this link. I don't get what it has to do with static or dynamic linking, though |
| 21:38.17 | zebradog | ScottG, good luck.. dam thing actually took me like a second.. i actually dropped my ftp not so long ago... |
| 21:38.17 | beardy | a-l-e: The wiki was my biggest point. |
| 21:38.59 | a-l-e | i'm following the instructions in the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 21:39.16 | jelly-home | ScottG: huh? It explains in short what they mean. |
| 21:39.33 | abrotman | a-l-e: there is a #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:39.48 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: yes, a bit busy tho |
| 21:39.56 | ScottG | jelly-home: Oh wow sorry i was looking at the wrong tab |
| 21:40.04 | beardy | a-l-e: Alright. But you can't get it to boot the installer anyway? |
| 21:40.21 | a-l-e | beardy: yes... but then it does not find the modules. |
| 21:40.38 | a-l-e | the usb stick is mounted and i can see the debian-i386-netinst.iso... |
| 21:40.44 | a-l-e | but the installer does not seem to see it |
| 21:40.44 | b0xy | thewanderer1: k. PM me when you're free if you don't mind. |
| 21:40.48 | beardy | a-l-e: Like abrotman said, is the official Debian eeepc channel. (I'm there too.) |
| 21:40.56 | abrotman | i'm not! |
| 21:41.05 | ScottG | jelly-home: Oh ok. Interesting. What are the advantages and disadvantages? |
| 21:41.23 | jelly-home | ScottG: that discussion is outside the scope of this channel, sorry |
| 21:41.40 | thewanderer1 | b0xy: if you have a problem, send it to the channel - many more people are online |
| 21:41.41 | ScottG | lol alright |
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| 21:41.51 | foetus | ha |
| 21:41.57 | jelly-home | ScottG: perhaps someone in #debian-offtopic might want to expand a bit |
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| 21:42.49 | ScottG | jelly-home: package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 21:42.50 | ScottG | :/ |
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| 21:44.07 | zebradog | ScottG, dynamic libraries means you have a local reserve for common libraries for all your programs. The majority of programs are dynamically link because static would embed the same function code into the running app's binary image.. dynamic applications save room |
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| 21:44.44 | zebradog | (speaking of OSS, for commercial apps, it may or may not) |
| 21:44.50 | djura-san | 2o/ |
| 21:45.26 | zebradog | ScottG, did the attachment come thru? |
| 21:45.33 | jelly-home | ScottG: contact your vendor. |
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| 21:46.04 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea |
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| 21:46.43 | ScottG | jelly-home: I just have a 64bit processor so the deb isn't going to work. Why would I contact my vendor? |
| 21:48.12 | jelly-home | ScottG: that was tongue-in-cheek, you're trying to use a third party binary app. When it doesn't work, you ought to contact the vendor who sold it to you and report the issue. |
| 21:48.25 | a-l-e | anybody who can help me (here) with installing debian from a usb stick? |
| 21:48.41 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: you might try to repackage the deb as amd64 |
| 21:48.48 | zebradog | ScottG, u talking about that page? in that case they have their tarballs for generic linuxes.. the standard for libraries is /lib and /usr/lib on linux for the dynamic, for static, you don't have to care if you have /usr/lib or /lib.. just that you know static should always work but takes up more room on drive |
| 21:48.50 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: amd64 processors have i386 emulation |
| 21:49.08 | jelly-home | ScottG: at work I also have a 64bit processor but am still using 32bit Debian, one reason you just experienced. |
| 21:49.43 | zebradog | ScottG, if the static is i386 and u use amd64, have the ia32libs installed, you may need to use LD_LIBRARY_??? as an exception to this case.. |
| 21:49.51 | a-l-e | is there any place where i can get a standard boot.img.gz for squeeze (and which will work with the netboot install)? |
| 21:50.00 | OpenTokix | I only use 64bit because I have single processes wanting more then 2G of ram |
| 21:50.20 | ScottG | jelly-home: So you modified their .deb to work on your 64bit machine? |
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| 21:50.37 | jelly-home | ScottG: no, I said i'm using 32bit debian OS |
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| 21:51.18 | ScottG | jelly-home: Oh sorry read that wrong. |
| 21:51.44 | ScottG | jelly-home: Well yea |
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| 21:52.43 | zebradog | ScottG, if u read their readme they have hints from the skype package |
| 21:53.26 | jelly-home | ScottG: there's an older build for amd64 ubuntu but you're going to have dependency issues installing that; that's what I used when the machine was booted into amd64 squeeze |
| 21:54.29 | FabParma | im trying the lates Debian Live. He found all my hardware. I would like to copy the xorg.conf but its empty ... any idea? |
| 21:54.49 | zebradog | ScottG, you installed their .deb or tarball? |
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| 21:55.27 | zebradog | FabParma, xorg does autodetection if no xorg.conf found |
| 21:55.27 | beardy | !tell a-l-e about usb install |
| 21:55.36 | ScottG | jelly-home: Well dependency issues are usually pretty simple. Usually the program tries to run but fails saying it doesn't have some library and you simply get that library from apt |
| 21:56.01 | jelly-home | ScottG: no, usually something fails to install. |
| 21:56.01 | FabParma | if I install the stable release my video card it is not seen (ati 4650) the live one made all alone |
| 21:56.02 | zebradog | ScottG, sometimes apt-get -f install does this fix |
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| 21:56.04 | ScottG | Of course that way you don't have dependency tracking at all |
| 21:56.19 | beardy | a-l-e: Lenny only probably though. |
| 21:56.34 | zebradog | ScottG, so does the mic work now? |
| 21:57.02 | a-l-e | beardy: i don't care what get installed. it just should work now.... i'm fighting with that machine since 6 hours! |
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| 21:57.10 | a-l-e | it failed to upgrade to squeeze and now it's ko. |
| 21:57.11 | jelly-home | ScottG: if you're trying to use a package from a completely diffrerent distro though, there might be no dependency available in your distro at all |
| 21:57.26 | FabParma | zebradog: how can i get the monitor and video card adapter names. exaclty like Debian live has seen them? |
| 21:57.27 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea I got it working a little while ago. Just had to mess around with alsamixer again. |
| 21:57.29 | zebradog | jelly, skype is avail for debian amd64 |
| 21:57.49 | jelly-home | zebradog: can you expand on that? |
| 21:57.49 | zebradog | ScottG, that update it should only take a minute.... :) |
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| 21:58.03 | ScottG | I think I got some good settings so that it sounds right. I'll have to test it out with someone, though |
| 21:58.05 | jelly-home | zebradog: point ScottG to an amd64 deb package. |
| 21:58.05 | zebradog | jelly, you're talking about skype or drunken pigs? |
| 21:58.10 | merovinq_ | I want to run a cronjob with the user www-data however if I run: "crontab -u www-data /path_to_file" the cronjob gets added, but it never attempts to run... if I crontab -e the same file and save it reloads the cronjob and it runs. However I need to write it like this because I am using php command exec('crontab -u www-data /path_to_file'); Anyone know why the command: crontab -u www-data |
| 21:58.10 | merovinq_ | /path_to_file is not running the cronjob? |
| 21:58.22 | beardy | a-l-e: Try the eeepc custom installer instead, and then upgrade? |
| 21:58.41 | Trashi | hi guys. i added the line "ftp.* /var/log/pure-ftpd.log" into /etc/syslogd.conf for my purefptd ... it works really great but he is still write the log entries into /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog ... does anybody knows how to disable the (pure)ftp log into syslog and messages ... its enough for me if its loggin into /var/log/pureftpd.log!? |
| 21:58.42 | zebradog | jelly, why are you talking about other distros? there's clearly a .deb for skype... |
| 21:58.48 | a-l-e | beardy: the problem is that it does not find the iso at all... |
| 21:59.08 | jelly-home | zebradog: point ScottG to an amd64 deb package for Debian if you know where one exists, please. |
| 21:59.40 | zebradog | said for "generic linuxes" there's the dynamic/static poorly named links.. (thinks it should be called "generic linux" links rather than confusing dyn/static) |
| 21:59.57 | zebradog | i think already mentioned what you're trying to refer to.. :) |
| 22:00.08 | beardy | a-l-e: The custom installer is an image that you write directly to the stick. |
| 22:00.22 | zebradog | (that download skype page) |
| 22:00.32 | beardy | a-l-e: (Link at the top on the wikipage you're reading) |
| 22:00.38 | merovinq_ | hmm, it seems the file needs an empty line at the end to run... weird |
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| 22:01.21 | bzed | merovinq_: that is not how crontab works. go and read this: man crontab + man 5 crontab |
| 22:01.22 | jelly-home | zebradog: I don't see an amd64 package for debian there, so if you do, it might be useful to point the exact url. |
| 22:01.23 | zebradog | ScottG, the readme from the static tarball mentions about debian amd64... |
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| 22:01.39 | zebradog | ScottG, i don't know if they have poopy named _i386.deb files.. |
| 22:01.48 | zebradog | that actually contain x64 compiles.. |
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| 22:02.02 | thewanderer1 | x64 is a marketing term, man |
| 22:02.13 | thewanderer1 | just sayin' |
| 22:02.15 | merovinq_ | it is how it works, crontab -u www-data /path_to_file works now if the file has and empty line at the end. |
| 22:02.30 | merovinq_ | did not know it needed that. |
| 22:02.37 | bzed | merovinq_: no, thats not how it works. |
| 22:02.43 | merovinq_ | crontab -e must add it before save |
| 22:03.01 | a-l-e | trying with http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 22:03.04 | merovinq_ | wcrontab -man |
| 22:03.07 | merovinq_ | crontab -man |
| 22:03.19 | merovinq_ | usage: crontab [-u user] file |
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| 22:03.34 | Trashi | hi guys. i added the line "ftp.* /var/log/pure-ftpd.log" into /etc/syslogd.conf for my purefptd ... it works really great but he is still write the log entries into /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog ... does anybody knows how to disable the (pure)ftp log into syslog and messages ... its enough for me if its loggin into /var/log/pureftpd.log!? |
| 22:03.44 | bzed | merovinq_: and file something that looks like a crontab line, not a php script |
| 22:03.48 | bzed | merovinq_: +is |
| 22:04.18 | bzed | merovinq_: the format of the file is specified in man 5 crontab |
| 22:04.19 | FabParma | how to find the xorg configurtion in a Debian live? |
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| 22:04.28 | zebradog | ScottG, if they're foolish enough, they probably were too lazy to make an amd64 package for debian, heck very likely the ubuntu amd64 should work... |
| 22:04.43 | bzed | FabParma: there is probably none as xorg detects the config on it own these days |
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| 22:05.32 | beardy | a-l-e: I meant http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallLennyOnOldModels |
| 22:05.43 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea, probably not a great idea to use the ubuntu 64-bit, though, no? |
| 22:05.45 | karl | hi all, does anyone know if it is possible to access a macbooks nvram from debian ? |
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| 22:06.15 | FabParma | bzed: sorry, if i check in monitor configuration frontend i see exactly the brand of my monitor. someware has to be written this info |
| 22:06.25 | zebradog | ScottG, it appears very similar and simple enough (has 1 binary in it) |
| 22:06.30 | karl | or any other way to disable the startup chime ? |
| 22:06.38 | merovinq_ | well basically I am having a php script dynamically write new crontabs it settings change in the database. so I have it write to the file then run exec to load the new crontab from the file. It seems to work correcly now |
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| 22:07.41 | thewanderer1 | karl, I have no darn idea but on my Lenovo (tested on ASUS too), which is a wholly different beast, I just start up with sound disabled and poof - all sound is gone |
| 22:07.54 | zebradog | ScottG, it's dumb they mention debian amd64 but there appears to be no exclusive link for it.. |
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| 22:08.32 | a-l-e | yeah! using boot.img.gz from debian instead of the one from the eeepc site it loads the iso |
| 22:09.04 | zebradog | ScottG, if u download the static link, you can see in their readme about amd64_debian issues.. |
| 22:09.31 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea dl of it just finished |
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| 22:09.52 | mattfury | hey is this bug still current: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521655 |
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| 22:10.24 | zebradog | ScottG, if u want skype on debian amd64, i would try the static link first... |
| 22:10.40 | beardy | a-l-e: Great :) Consider entioning it on the wiki, your model, trouble and solution. |
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| 22:10.43 | zebradog | ScottG, that's only 2 mb.. |
| 22:10.50 | beardy | mentioning* |
| 22:10.52 | zebradog | ScottG, gmail is heck slow.. |
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| 22:11.18 | a-l-e | beardy: i don't think that this is related to my model. |
| 22:11.23 | ScottG | zebradog: No, the static is like 20 something MB |
| 22:11.23 | zebradog | ScottG, ( md5 is c3d2fd42e502f5f95d9929023b2e1abc ) |
| 22:11.30 | a-l-e | i've also tried it on a 1000h and failed |
| 22:11.42 | mattfury | hey is this bug still current: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521655 |
| 22:11.49 | karl | thewanderer1: you would wish it where that easy in apples world.... |
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| 22:11.51 | zebradog | ScottG, 3mb/sec here :) |
| 22:12.06 | ScottG | I max out at 90 a sec |
| 22:12.09 | ScottG | kb* |
| 22:12.14 | mateusz | hello. I am running "testng netinst" from USB-stick on another computer and it stopped on "Starting up the partitioner" at 52% |
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| 22:12.29 | a-l-e | beardy: i don't really know what i should write in there and i don't think either that i have an account for the wiki |
| 22:12.44 | zebradog | that's 3 megs a second.. i have a 30mbit connection with videotron.. not that fast.. but liveable :) |
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| 22:14.03 | jelly-home | mattfury: it's closed. Does that answer your question? |
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| 22:14.32 | jelly-home | mattfury: er, I lie! |
| 22:15.37 | ScottG | Seems to just stay at the Singing in screen |
| 22:16.21 | foetus | this static irssi works not bad, centerim 4.22.7 too.. nice.:) |
| 22:16.53 | ScottG | Doesn't seem to matter what password I type in |
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| 22:18.53 | Cazzzzzzzzzzzo21 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBB8zTdY4NU |
| 22:18.56 | Cazzzzzzzzzzzo21 | it's nice for debian |
| 22:18.59 | Cazzzzzzzzzzzo21 | help...see all |
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| 22:19.29 | foetus | whats that? |
| 22:19.42 | foetus | an alien? |
| 22:20.04 | mattfury | * Received a CTCP PING 1281305948 from Cazzzzzzzzzzzo21 (to #debian) |
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| 22:20.30 | abrotman | seriously? |
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| 22:22.38 | foetus | time to sleep, imho.. |
| 22:22.45 | foetus | enough. |
| 22:22.55 | foetus | bye. |
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| 22:27.49 | Dassu | http://www.google.de/support/forum/p/earth/thread?tid=0d235779d5f2aa37&hl=en :( |
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| 22:28.17 | Dassu | Wonder if there's a way to fix that and still use debian packages |
| 22:28.50 | jordanm | I have heard a lot about google earth problems |
| 22:29.13 | thewanderer1 | ERROR: "sock_alloc_send_pskb" [drivers/net/macvtap.ko] undefined! -- only this one error remains now |
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| 22:29.20 | thewanderer1 | woo, I'm getting close to the solution |
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| 22:30.24 | thnee | has anyobdy used yafc? i am doing "put -r -M [a-z0-9\-_]+\.[a-z]+ *" but it includes dot files... why? |
| 22:31.10 | thnee | perhaps the mask is applied to the entire path, and not just the file name |
| 22:31.47 | thnee | in that case, how would i write a regex that excludes dot files? |
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| 22:35.41 | thnee | i tried this regex but it doesnt exclude dot files either [a-z\/]+[^\.]\.[a-z]+ |
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| 22:35.55 | thnee | i'm lost |
| 22:36.33 | jelly-home | ^[^.].* ? |
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| 22:36.54 | thnee | isnt caret inside character class == not ? |
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| 22:37.16 | jelly-home | your regexp isn't anchored to the beginning of the string |
| 22:37.17 | nsadmin | so the first . is . and not anychar? |
| 22:37.37 | thnee | jelly-home: what do you mean by anchored? |
| 22:37.56 | jelly-home | . inside [] is indeed a literal dot (because it doesn't make sense to include it in [] otherwise) |
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| 22:38.07 | jelly-home | thnee: using ^ |
| 22:38.09 | thnee | oh ok |
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| 22:38.35 | thnee | but anyway, what i need is the "not" functionality |
| 22:38.45 | thnee | why are you using two ^'s ? |
| 22:38.46 | nsadmin | not dot? |
| 22:39.02 | nsadmin | they're two different meanings |
| 22:39.05 | thnee | i need to exclude dot files from absolute paths |
| 22:39.13 | thnee | not just the filenames |
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| 22:39.33 | nsadmin | what do you mean "not just the filenames" |
| 22:39.41 | thnee | i mean absolute paths |
| 22:40.11 | nsadmin | so /some/where/.hidden would be out |
| 22:40.15 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 22:40.17 | thnee | thats right |
| 22:40.42 | nsadmin | and /some/.hidden/dir/ would be out? |
| 22:40.58 | thnee | sure, but i dont have those |
| 22:41.14 | nsadmin | so only files with . at start |
| 22:41.21 | thnee | thats right |
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| 22:41.27 | nsadmin | would be good enough that is |
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| 22:42.25 | thnee | i was thinking: any character or slash followed by anything but a dot followed by string followed by dot followed by extension |
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| 22:42.53 | thnee | [a-z/]+[^.][a-z]\.[a-z] |
| 22:42.54 | thnee | sorta |
| 22:43.05 | thnee | [a-z/]+[^.][a-z]+\.[a-z] |
| 22:43.13 | siebo | Hi, I have a server running etch and the local package mirror at our ISP has been taken offline, I'm trying to figure out where to point my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:43.20 | bzed | thnee: do you have a list of files or a list of files and directories? |
| 22:43.24 | jelly-home | thnee: or use rsync and a find-generated file list |
| 22:43.24 | nsadmin | I'd suggest that you take the basename and see if that has a . |
| 22:43.32 | bzed | siebo: archive.debian.org |
| 22:43.41 | siebo | bzed: thanks :) |
| 22:43.48 | thnee | jelly-home: but yafc has this -M option ready and available |
| 22:44.00 | thnee | the only issue is the regex |
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| 22:44.36 | jelly-home | thnee: there is more than one way to do it; don't expect you'll always be able to use a single tool to achieve your goal |
| 22:44.46 | thnee | jelly-home: g thanks |
| 22:45.19 | ScottG | jelly-home: Ubuntu 64-bit didn't work either :/ I've tried every single file they have |
| 22:45.43 | jelly-home | ScottG: how much do you need this to work? |
| 22:46.16 | thewanderer1 | great, it's not possible to use an OpenVZ-patched kernel with IPv6 conntrack... |
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| 22:46.29 | jelly-home | ScottG: I mean, how many hours or money are you prepared to spend to make skype work? |
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| 22:47.07 | thnee | jelly-home: but rsync doesnt really do ftp |
| 22:47.08 | ScottG | Today, maybe 1 more hour. No money. I don't need it immediately but I have had it working on this laptop before so I don't know what the problem is |
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| 22:47.17 | jelly-home | thnee: no, it does rsync. |
| 22:47.25 | thnee | jelly-home: and i am using ftp |
| 22:47.38 | jelly-home | ScottG: reinstall i386 is one option |
| 22:48.44 | ScottG | Obviously. Using Windows an an option too but I'm trying to think of things more realistic. Gonna do some poking around. Try a fix in the readme too. That might work |
| 22:48.48 | jelly-home | ScottG: mangling skype_ubuntu-2.0.0.72-1_amd64.deb control file until it installs cleanly is another, but you don't seem to have the know-how to do it in an hour |
| 22:48.58 | thnee | so back to my original question: can anyone give me any pointers on the regex problem? |
| 22:49.28 | zebradog | ScottG, are you trying the static tarball on amd64 debian? |
| 22:49.38 | ScottG | Tried them both |
| 22:49.48 | thnee | i thought i had it, but apparently i am not excluding the dot files |
| 22:49.51 | zebradog | ScottG, did u see what they said about amd64 debian? |
| 22:50.26 | zebradog | ScottG, try running the bin from an xterm and look at the xterm box for messages... |
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| 22:51.30 | jelly-home | thnee: is only ftp available? no ssh/sftp? |
| 22:51.32 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea no output whenever I ran it, just got stuck on the login |
| 22:51.53 | thnee | jelly-home: srsly all i need is a regex, not different tools |
| 22:52.03 | zebradog | ScottG, you mean skype's login gui box shows up? |
| 22:52.10 | ScottG | zebradog: Yea. |
| 22:52.17 | jelly-home | thnee: no, you need to reach your goal. The tools used are not important. |
| 22:52.32 | thnee | jelly-home: i need to use ftp |
| 22:52.34 | zebradog | ScottG, that makes no sense.. try turning of the firewall.. |
| 22:52.43 | zebradog | ,/off/of.. |
| 22:52.47 | ScottG | I don't have one that I know of |
| 22:52.53 | siebo | hmm, I'm not sure if this is a #debian question or a #python question, I've installed Trac via easy_install and everything is fine until I do initenv and select SQLlite as my db |
| 22:53.10 | siebo | then I get: Cannot load Python bindings for SQLite |
| 22:53.10 | zebradog | ScottG, iptables -F, and ip6tables -F , flushes the rules... |
| 22:53.15 | siebo | so I installed python-sqllite |
| 22:53.24 | zebradog | not permanently.. just until you restart their services.. |
| 22:53.27 | siebo | via apt-get, but i still get this issue |
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| 22:54.44 | jelly-home | thnee: you might also want to investigate lftp and its mirror command |
| 22:54.44 | ScottG | zebradog: Says it cant get my working directory when I run those commands |
| 22:55.04 | thnee | jelly-home: yeah i usually use lftp but it couldnt connect for some odd reason |
| 22:55.16 | abrotman | siebo: why wouldn't you instlal trac from debina package? |
| 22:55.17 | themill | siebo: the debian packages for trac use python-pysqlite2 -- that might be a useful clue. |
| 22:55.19 | thnee | jelly-home: but thats not really relevant to my problem, as i weou |
| 22:55.30 | thnee | jelly-home: as i would need to exclude dot files in lftp also |
| 22:55.39 | zebradog | ScottG, how come you didnt upgrade the bios ? |
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| 22:56.05 | ScottG | zebradog: Gonna do that tomorrow |
| 22:56.06 | jelly-home | thnee: and lftp has exclude patterns (in addition to include patterns) |
| 22:56.10 | siebo | abrotman: hmm, I've just always managed my python packages via easy_install and buildout |
| 22:56.12 | zebradog | k |
| 22:56.20 | siebo | themill: thanks :) |
| 22:56.25 | abrotman | siebo: that seems silly .. use the debian packages .. it will make your life easier |
| 22:57.19 | zebradog | ScottG, maybe it's looking for a mic to work with.. that's why you should try getting the mic fixed... |
| 22:57.28 | themill | siebo: btw, any reason you're not using the debian packages for trac? |
| 22:57.30 | siebo | abrotman: what are the benefits of using deb packages over python's setuptools? |
| 22:57.40 | zebradog | ScottG, if the bios doesn't do it.. then there's nothing to lose :)... |
| 22:57.42 | abrotman | siebo: the debian package management system .. |
| 22:57.56 | abrotman | you know .. stuff that works instead of "<siebo> then I get: Cannot load Python bindings for SQLite" stuff like that |
| 22:58.08 | ScottG | zebradog: lol I know that skype starts without the mic working |
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| 22:59.02 | themill | siebo: you also have debian developers helping keep track of security updates rather than having to do it yourself. |
| 22:59.12 | siebo | abrotman, themill: ok, thanks |
| 22:59.22 | jelly-home | also, old package versions! |
| 22:59.27 | zebradog | themill, ,/so/it sounds much more persuasive |
| 22:59.42 | jelly-home | ,versions trac |
| 22:59.44 | judd | trac -- etch: 0.10.3-1etch4; etch-backports: 0.11.1-2.1~bpo40+2; lenny: 0.11.1-2.1; lenny-backports: 0.11.7-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.11.7-3; sid: 0.11.7-4 |
| 22:59.46 | thnee | jelly-home: i think lftp is stupid for not telling me what the problem is when i connect, it can login and cd, then "Making data connection", then it just starts reconnecting. any ideas? |
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| 22:59.54 | jelly-home | thnee: debug 3 |
| 23:00.24 | zebradog | thnee, sounds like NAT issues.. try passive mode |
| 23:00.50 | zebradog | thnee, sftp doesnt have this issue |
| 23:00.54 | thnee | im not behind NAT, but i tried passive anyway, and it didnt help |
| 23:00.59 | jelly-home | (or try not forcing passive mode) |
| 23:01.14 | thnee | nice ill need to remember debug 3 |
| 23:01.20 | jelly-home | lftp can be very verbose if you tell it to. |
| 23:01.25 | thnee | <--- 230 OK. Current restricted directory is / |
| 23:01.25 | thnee | **** Socket error (Connection refused) - reconnecting |
| 23:02.07 | thnee | yafc connects fine |
| 23:03.08 | jelly-home | thnee: read how regexpes work. Try to anchor both the beginning and the end of your regexp |
| 23:03.17 | thnee | wat |
| 23:03.31 | thnee | jelly-home: you really jump around the topics |
| 23:04.05 | thnee | oh yeah right the dollar sign |
| 23:04.19 | jelly-home | thnee: you got the context so, it didn't matter did it |
| 23:04.49 | thnee | any ideas why the server would refuse the connection for lftp but not for yafc? |
| 23:05.15 | jelly-home | firewall issues |
| 23:05.28 | jelly-home | at any of two end |
| 23:05.34 | jelly-home | points. |
| 23:06.49 | thnee | jelly-home: sweet thanks, anchoring solved it |
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| 23:08.57 | jelly-home | right, regexp matching is typically done at any point in the string |
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| 23:11.04 | jelly-home | so /[^.] will match "/a" ("/a" matches) and "/.a/b/c/d" ("/b" matches) |
| 23:11.05 | elik | I'm following the lenny->squeeze, but I'm a bit surprised that the operation makes me remove packages... |
| 23:11.35 | elik | right from the first step aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude ... |
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| 23:12.25 | elik | it also remove fairly big packagse, such as cups, gnome, |
| 23:12.34 | Arrowmaster | elik: if its doing that then something is wrong |
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| 23:12.42 | nsadmin | is that a bad thing? |
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| 23:13.58 | elik | Arrowmaster, and what could that be? Didn't do much other than getting rid of volatile, changing lenny to testing |
| 23:14.56 | SyL | I'm trying to mount an NFS partition on a machine where it used to work. I get this instead: "mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused" |
| 23:15.00 | Arrowmaster | i dont know i would have to look at it in close detail |
| 23:15.09 | thewanderer1 | SyL: firewall |
| 23:15.56 | elik | Arrowmaster, could it be because I put testing rather than squeeze? I thought they were pretty much the same, but that it would keep me on testing after a release |
| 23:16.04 | SyL | thewanderer1: I'm thinking the same thing, but it's shorewall and I'm a bit confused when it comes to that one |
| 23:16.20 | Arrowmaster | elik: no that wouldnt be it |
| 23:16.31 | thewanderer1 | SyL: read on using NFS with firewalls |
| 23:16.49 | elik | Arrowmaster, it's a fresh lenny install... |
| 23:17.01 | Arrowmaster | maybe its because aptitude did a major version jump and the extra stuff it needs to pull in is conflicting with older stuff |
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| 23:18.20 | nsadmin | remember that aptitude from squeeze probably depends on libc |
| 23:18.55 | elik | at least libc didn't have to be remove ^.^ |
| 23:19.10 | moldovean | , versions gnome |
| 23:19.11 | judd | gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.30+1; squeeze: 1:2.30+1 |
| 23:19.28 | Arrowmaster | nsadmin: its not libc |
| 23:19.34 | nsadmin | but it will be upgraded, causing (to make long story short) big ruckus |
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| 23:20.04 | Arrowmaster | aptitude in squeeze depends on libc >= 2.3.4 |
| 23:20.06 | blast_hardcheese | I've got a bit of an issue with an unsupported NEC tablet, circa Windows 98; The character device node for it is /dev/ttyS0, and sometimes it gives predictable results, sometimes it gives completely unpredictable ones. |
| 23:20.08 | Arrowmaster | which lenny should have |
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| 23:20.40 | blast_hardcheese | These times are separated by reboots, and I haven't figured out what exactly needs to happen to the touchscreen to make it sane |
| 23:20.57 | blast_hardcheese | I suspect there are some magic numbers that need to be written to it, but I don't even know where to start to find them. |
| 23:21.45 | blast_hardcheese | However, it's gotten into this state maybe 3 times, and during those times I was able to write something that translated the raw touch events into x,y coordinates using a little python script |
| 23:22.01 | blast_hardcheese | Where can I find examples of magic numbers and how to send them to this device? |
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| 23:22.20 | blast_hardcheese | I haven't been successful in taking the device apart, but I guess I could try harder if nobody has any ideas |
| 23:23.08 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: brute force it writing magic numbers till you hit it |
| 23:23.56 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, I thought about that; What do magic numbers look like? Are they just a single integer from 1 to 255, or perhaps a sequence of them? I don't even know what to try |
| 23:24.34 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: have you made sure that the tablet is not supported? |
| 23:25.22 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: not at all, I'm assuming since the tablet was never sold outside of Japan, and all pages about the device are in Japanese |
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| 23:25.47 | thewanderer1 | ah, that's the culprit :P |
| 23:26.06 | ridin | hi, i want to try out debian when going into the http ftp download page there's 31, any ideas? |
| 23:26.09 | thewanderer1 | try writing bytes first |
| 23:26.14 | abrotman | ridin: use the netinst |
| 23:26.17 | thewanderer1 | then 16-bit sequences or so |
| 23:26.22 | thewanderer1 | it's not much to bruteforce |
| 23:26.28 | ridin | abrotman: netinst never works for me |
| 23:26.37 | abrotman | why not? |
| 23:26.47 | abrotman | it doens't require the internet .. works like the installer on CD1 |
| 23:27.10 | ridin | okay, so what's the 31 cds for |
| 23:27.24 | thewanderer1 | ridin: they have all packages available in Debian |
| 23:27.25 | elik | ridin, for backing up the internet |
| 23:27.27 | thewanderer1 | like, all software |
| 23:27.44 | thewanderer1 | ridin: if you only want to "try" debian, then get an image from http://live.debian.net/ - it allows you to check the system out much like Ubuntu Desktop CD or so |
| 23:27.53 | a-l-e | well... next problem! |
| 23:28.16 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: http://img169.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/1/2/3/3/n_kazu2-img574x600-127950008085lfme63564.jpg |
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| 23:28.49 | abrotman | ridin: the netinst really is the preferred way, the set of CDs/DVDs is generally for someone that doesn't have internet |
| 23:28.58 | abrotman | and i wouldn't bother with the livecd |
| 23:29.00 | a-l-e | i'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze and when installing "apt dpkg aptitude" i get several unresolved dependencies... |
| 23:29.13 | abrotman | If you don't love Debian, we offer a money-back guarantee! |
| 23:29.14 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: er yes, the manual with those people drawn assures you that this is not intended for tech-savvy people :P |
| 23:29.16 | ridin | thewanderer1: and hopefully install it? |
| 23:29.26 | abrotman | you cannot install from the livecd |
| 23:29.34 | abrotman | not in a simple way |
| 23:29.35 | thewanderer1 | ridin: LiveCD's don't have installers, unfortunately - not yet |
| 23:29.36 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: Oh, I can assure you that is a very accurate assertion |
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| 23:29.55 | blast_hardcheese | I bought 4 of them for really cheap, they seemed like fun at the time :) |
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| 23:30.13 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: "bytes first"; single bytes from 0 to 255, checking the output each time? |
| 23:30.21 | blast_hardcheese | or something more complex than that |
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| 23:31.40 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: yeah, just generate bytes and drop them there |
| 23:31.54 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: it's old hardware, remember - watch temperatures at all times |
| 23:32.07 | blast_hardcheese | Temperatures? |
| 23:32.18 | blast_hardcheese | Is that a problem with old hardware? |
| 23:32.40 | streuner_ | sure |
| 23:33.12 | jelly-home | wonders if he stumbled into ##hardware mistakenly |
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| 23:33.39 | streuner_ | its not a general problem for old hardware, but hardware tends to become warmer each year |
| 23:33.46 | blast_hardcheese | jelly-home: They're a fun bunch as well, but lower level than this, since this is a userland driver |
| 23:33.49 | blast_hardcheese | I see |
| 23:33.52 | thewanderer1 | you writing custom garbage into the device file could for example overheat the processing unit for the screen or so |
| 23:34.11 | blast_hardcheese | oh, good point |
| 23:34.12 | jelly-home | blast_hardcheese: offer one or two to people in #debian-x, see if they help you with the drivers |
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| 23:34.42 | streuner_ | (speaking of HDs) |
| 23:35.44 | FabParma | does exist a tool to probe the monitor other than xresprobe? |
| 23:35.52 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm, nobody is in debian-x. thewanderer1: I'll try this writing stuff to the screen thing, if that works I'll come back and let you know. |
| 23:36.13 | streuner_ | FabParma: xrandr? |
| 23:36.45 | FabParma | bzed: thanks, i try it now |
| 23:36.57 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: you should actually try to set the serial parameters for /dev/ttyS0 |
| 23:37.03 | thewanderer1 | might be of some help |
| 23:37.30 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, that is a good idea |
| 23:37.37 | blast_hardcheese | I'll look up how to do that |
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| 23:44.18 | thewanderer1 | has a feeling that blast_hardcheese has been fighting with this hardware for 2 years already |
| 23:44.31 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: shhh ;) |
| 23:44.46 | thewanderer1 | found your logs ;P |
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| 23:45.01 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, figured as much, two years is a very specific time to pull out of thin air |
| 23:45.51 | thewanderer1 | well, getting anything in particular? :P |
| 23:45.54 | whodevil | hello, I'm interested in becoming a pkg maintainer. I've been reading on the debian website for the last few days, and it sounds like the best place to begin is finding an orphaned pkg. I'm a little confused on what the next step needs to be though, is there process documentation on what it means to maintain a pkg? |
| 23:46.06 | blast_hardcheese | I found my code from two years ago, it was pretty terrible; I was able to rewrite 200 lines in like 30 lines |
| 23:46.08 | thewanderer1 | setserial - controls configuration of serial ports |
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| 23:46.46 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: I'm still waiting for it to reboot... It still has the DMA timeout error problem |
| 23:46.55 | thewanderer1 | whodevil: well, it is mostly looking for new versions, testing them, including patches and listening to users screaming / fending them off / closing bug reports |
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| 23:47.07 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: hda=nodma :P |
| 23:47.27 | abrotman | whodevil: it can be anyone. If the package is orphaned, there hsa been a bug sent to the BTS, you reply to that bug and say you intend to adopt the package and make it into an ITA |
| 23:48.16 | whodevil | ok, I'll look in the BTS a little more |
| 23:48.18 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: do'h. |
| 23:48.25 | abrotman | whodevil: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#howto-o |
| 23:48.35 | abrotman | whodevil: does that answer you betteR? |
| 23:51.31 | whodevil | abrotman: ah, yes this is what I was looking for |
| 23:51.33 | whodevil | thanks |
| 23:52.26 | abrotman | whodevil: what are you thinking you might adopt? |
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| 23:57.23 | FabParma | i need to copy the xorg configuration from a Debian live. Do you know how to? |
| 23:57.44 | thewanderer1 | cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /some/where |
| 23:58.04 | whodevil | abrotman: I was thinking I should start off with something small, anymeal seems like it might be fun to work with, but I still want to look around at the other pkgs before I commit to it. |
| 23:58.23 | streuner_ | FabParma: why not use a LIVE-CD and boot it? |
| 23:58.25 | thewanderer1 | FabParma: you can upload it to a server for persistency |
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| 23:59.05 | abrotman | whodevil: seems easy enough |
