| 00:00.15 | thewanderer1 | whodevil: you're gonna port that to KDE4? good luck ;P |
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| 00:03.21 | whodevil | thewanderer1: I didn |
| 00:03.33 | whodevil | 't realize that was what was being asked |
| 00:03.38 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: I'm back; The system seemed to boot faster with nodma, but I'm still getting weird stuff: http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?21 |
| 00:04.01 | blast_hardcheese | I'm going to try setting the serial mode and dumping bytes to it |
| 00:04.14 | thewanderer1 | oh this DMA crap happens to me all the time |
| 00:05.21 | thewanderer1 | whodevil: anymeal uses qt3, it might give you management headaches I think |
| 00:05.32 | thewanderer1 | now that kde3 is evaporating |
| 00:06.01 | whodevil | thewanderer1: hmm, yeah you are probably right, I'll look through the RFA and the O pkgs a little more |
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| 00:11.17 | baffled | Is there a package I need to install to get vimeo.com videos to play in ice weasel? |
| 00:12.22 | thewanderer1 | I assume vimeo.com uses flash... |
| 00:12.49 | thewanderer1 | therefore, you need non-free flash player plugin for Mozilla |
| 00:13.05 | thewanderer1 | !flash |
| 00:13.05 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 00:15.19 | abrotman | whodevil: if you're a decent coder, deborphan is a useful package |
| 00:15.24 | abrotman | well, it can be |
| 00:16.58 | abrotman | and i bet stew would be happy if you adopted ivman :) |
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| 00:18.10 | thewanderer1 | ivman! is it orphaned? boo |
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| 00:18.19 | nsadmin | recently I tried network mgr on my laptop... works pretty good; lets me connect, shows me the nets so I can connect quickly... abrotman, maybe it was you who mentioned a file I could put somewhere that would cause nm to write its config to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:18.21 | thewanderer1 | I thought HAL was deprecated though |
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| 00:18.51 | abrotman | nsadmin: wasn't me .. not sure why you'd need that |
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| 00:19.21 | nsadmin | I'd like to have the network up during startup |
| 00:19.56 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: you can just mark a "Available for all users" checkbox |
| 00:20.06 | thewanderer1 | then n-m brings up the connection on boot |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | whodevil: modconf used to be useful, dunno if it still is |
| 00:20.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 00:21.23 | thewanderer1 | whodevil: you could start your own package, like siefs |
| 00:21.33 | thewanderer1 | I once used that - it's simple and undemanding |
| 00:22.15 | abrotman | whodevil: another way is to look for an RFH, those packages sometimes really need a lot of help |
| 00:22.48 | thewanderer1 | yes, or you can grab an Ubuntu package and port it to Debian, too :P |
| 00:23.12 | thewanderer1 | (easystroke being one notable example) |
| 00:23.18 | abrotman | sphinx2 is also interesting |
| 00:23.38 | abrotman | thewanderer1: can you find an ubuntu package not in debian ? |
| 00:23.49 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: yes |
| 00:23.53 | thewanderer1 | easystroke |
| 00:23.56 | abrotman | which does what? |
| 00:23.58 | thewanderer1 | and I use it on a daily basis |
| 00:24.01 | thewanderer1 | mouse gestures |
| 00:24.22 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 00:24.27 | abrotman | so if you find something useful, let me know |
| 00:24.43 | thewanderer1 | no really, try to work with a tablet without those :P |
| 00:24.53 | thewanderer1 | (stylus gestures, actually) |
| 00:24.53 | f00li5h | hrm |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | i don't want a tablet .. so it's useless, try again |
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| 00:25.08 | thewanderer1 | right |
| 00:25.11 | f00li5h | how can I force the re-reading of a partition table on a 1394 disk? |
| 00:25.19 | abrotman | whodevil: tcsh! |
| 00:25.23 | f00li5h | cfdisk says it created it, but when i re-run it, it shows no partitions. |
| 00:25.36 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: kpartx I suppose |
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| 00:25.57 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: should I install kde first? |
| 00:26.02 | abrotman | f00li5h: did you disconnect it? |
| 00:26.08 | thewanderer1 | it's not a part of kde |
| 00:26.11 | aliocha | help |
| 00:26.14 | abrotman | ask |
| 00:26.15 | thewanderer1 | just the tricky name, man |
| 00:26.15 | f00li5h | abrotman: no. |
| 00:26.20 | f00li5h | abrotman: it's on the other side of town. |
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| 00:26.50 | f00li5h | I can unmount an fs, can I un-device a device? |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | f00li5h: you can unload a driver |
| 00:27.26 | f00li5h | won't that un-load all the other shit that comes from that driver? |
| 00:27.35 | f00li5h | like the disk I booted from, for example |
| 00:27.44 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: you can use `eject` but getting the device back is not so obvious - probably founding you a trip |
| 00:27.58 | abrotman | it depends what is using it |
| 00:28.31 | f00li5h | so i really can't re-partition a disk without unplugging it, or unloading all firewire storage? |
| 00:28.38 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: kpartx |
| 00:28.42 | nsadmin | an fs is usually on a device |
| 00:28.51 | jhutchins_lt | Sometimes you do need to reboot to re-read the partition table, but I'd be a bit concerned that cfdisk doesn't show the new table |
| 00:29.01 | f00li5h | nsadmin: i'm not sure I follow. |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | f00li5h: fdisk doesn't see it ? |
| 00:29.40 | f00li5h | no, fdisk does not see the new partitions |
| 00:29.42 | nsadmin | internally, umount is one thing, disconnecting a filesystem in some storage from a dir |
| 00:29.45 | f00li5h | even after it's said it wrote them. |
| 00:29.56 | thewanderer1 | kpartx -a /dev/sdb |
| 00:29.57 | thewanderer1 | or so |
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| 00:30.14 | nsadmin | fdisk should see them |
| 00:30.17 | thewanderer1 | if it's missing, install kpartx package |
| 00:30.19 | f00li5h | nsadmin: yes, i know that. |
| 00:30.21 | f00li5h | but it does not. |
| 00:30.28 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: it is installing now. |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | f00li5h: did you write the new table ? |
| 00:30.31 | nsadmin | this is even after reboot? |
| 00:30.40 | f00li5h | abrotman: yes, after it says it's written them. |
| 00:30.49 | f00li5h | nsadmin: no, it's not. |
| 00:30.52 | f00li5h | the box is in use. |
| 00:30.56 | nsadmin | by? |
| 00:31.00 | f00li5h | me. |
| 00:31.06 | a-l-e | while ugrading to squeeze i get an error while processing udev... any idea? |
| 00:31.09 | f00li5h | this irc client, and everyone on the other side of the firewall. |
| 00:31.31 | f00li5h | device-mapper! |
| 00:31.41 | abrotman | !tell a-l-e about udev squeeze |
| 00:31.45 | nsadmin | you're going to have to reboot at some point... if others use it, schedule downtime |
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| 00:32.04 | f00li5h | nsadmin: i have to reboot... to repartition a disk? |
| 00:32.22 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: try /etc/init.d/udev stop && /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 00:32.23 | GBGames | When I resize my terminal window in my GUI, I find that my lines wrap around oddly. resize doesn't seem to fix it. What else can I do? |
| 00:32.26 | a-l-e | abrotman: how can i know if i have a squeeze kernel already installed? |
| 00:32.26 | thewanderer1 | sometimes works |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | a-l-e: dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 00:32.35 | nsadmin | if part of it is mounted, you'll have to reboot after |
| 00:32.36 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: also, does kpartx produce any results? |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | thewanderer1: that's not a good idea |
| 00:32.49 | nsadmin | at least the way things stand now |
| 00:32.59 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: yes, it says that partition-mapper is not in the kernel |
| 00:33.01 | a-l-e | abrotman: .32 is installed... |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | that's a squeeze kernel |
| 00:33.14 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found |
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| 00:33.37 | a-l-e | reboot and pray.... |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | f00li5h: what kind of device is it ? |
| 00:34.01 | a-l-e | hthe kernel was not in the grub list... |
| 00:34.03 | abrotman | !tell f00li5h about rescan scsi |
| 00:34.07 | f00li5h | abrotman: fire. wire. |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | that might hel |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | p |
| 00:34.13 | a-l-e | i guess i can redo everything. |
| 00:34.19 | a-l-e | no... it got in... |
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| 00:34.43 | nsadmin | f00li5h: just catch me up... so you did what, add a partition? |
| 00:34.47 | f00li5h | so far i've been told to reload usb storage, and scsi! |
| 00:34.49 | f00li5h | what fun this is! |
| 00:34.57 | f00li5h | nsadmin: new partition table. |
| 00:34.59 | f00li5h | one partition. |
| 00:35.04 | f00li5h | ext2, to dump backups on. |
| 00:35.12 | a-l-e | abrotman: any good way to add the newer kernel to grub? |
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| 00:35.15 | f00li5h | it's on a firewire disk, which is plugged into the machine. |
| 00:35.18 | nsadmin | ok, so no part of the drive was in use? |
| 00:35.24 | f00li5h | no. |
| 00:35.26 | abrotman | a-l-e: update-grub |
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| 00:35.33 | dockimble | hola |
| 00:35.38 | nsadmin | hmm. something's wrong then |
| 00:35.41 | thewanderer1 | !es |
| 00:35.42 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 00:35.48 | dockimble | i know |
| 00:35.49 | f00li5h | nsadmin: like what? |
| 00:35.53 | thewanderer1 | oh, ok :P |
| 00:35.55 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 00:35.59 | f00li5h | >_< |
| 00:36.02 | f00li5h | how woudl I find out what's wrong? |
| 00:36.03 | abrotman | !enter |
| 00:36.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:36.39 | dockimble | is there a listing of those !words anywhere? |
| 00:36.45 | nsadmin | so you made the partition... then you wrote the table (you didn't try formatting the partition, right?) |
| 00:36.58 | thewanderer1 | dockimble: ask dpkg about factoids, I suppose |
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| 00:37.08 | f00li5h | nsadmin: mkfs suggests that I may have mis-specified the device, becasue it does not exit. |
| 00:37.20 | dockimble | !factoids |
| 00:37.20 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <search>, <help listkeys>, <help-listvals>, <opensearch> |
| 00:37.24 | nsadmin | ok, maybe the connection is flaky? |
| 00:37.31 | f00li5h | nsadmin: what do you mean? |
| 00:37.46 | f00li5h | it does not throw errors on writing the partition table. |
| 00:37.55 | nsadmin | cables, ends of the cable, what they are connected to? |
| 00:38.07 | nsadmin | let's get specific... |
| 00:38.13 | f00li5h | well, since the device shows up, i'd guess the controller and the disk |
| 00:38.19 | nsadmin | what is the drive called? /dev/what? |
| 00:38.24 | f00li5h | sda |
| 00:38.47 | nsadmin | ok, and to this point the drive is not ready to use? |
| 00:38.47 | moldovean | uname -r ? |
| 00:38.58 | f00li5h | it is a firewire disk, from what I gather, that involves usb_storage, scsi and raw1394 |
| 00:39.00 | nsadmin | yeah, I'd want to know that too |
| 00:39.01 | a-l-e | abrotman: cannot boot into the new kernel... |
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| 00:39.10 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:39.21 | f00li5h | nsadmin: there was a partition table, i mounted it, touched a file called foo, and unmounted it... when I mounted it again, foo was back |
| 00:39.23 | a-l-e | crashed |
| 00:39.25 | f00li5h | nsadmin: the disk is fine. |
| 00:39.25 | nsadmin | you've picked up my habit :) |
| 00:39.36 | f00li5h | the cables are fine. |
| 00:40.02 | nsadmin | f00li5h, ever want to boot this drive? |
| 00:40.04 | f00li5h | writing new partitions are not sticking, and since I wrote the first one, /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 00:40.07 | f00li5h | nsadmin: no. |
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| 00:40.18 | nsadmin | ok, want to try starting over? |
| 00:40.18 | a-l-e | abrotman: kenrel panic - no synicng: VFS unable to mount rooot fs on unknown-blcok(0,0) |
| 00:40.48 | a-l-e | i can still boot in the lenny one. |
| 00:40.53 | f00li5h | nsadmin: attempting to re-write the partition table wtih cfdisk does the same thing it did last time |
| 00:41.07 | f00li5h | nsadmin: no errors, it exits, when I re-run it to view the table, it's all free space. |
| 00:41.23 | f00li5h | fdisk shows the same thing. |
| 00:41.27 | a-l-e | abrotman: is there anything i can rescue? |
| 00:41.28 | f00li5h | (ie nothing) |
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| 00:41.51 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: try partprobe, I don't know how it works but looks relevant |
| 00:42.15 | abrotman | a-l-e: this is in the BTS ... |
| 00:42.21 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: where does that come from? |
| 00:42.31 | thewanderer1 | what's that disk utility called? |
| 00:42.32 | abrotman | a-l-e: i think it's bugs.debian.org/grub-pc |
| 00:42.32 | nsadmin | f00li5h (ONLY): IF you want to try starting over AND you're not currently interested in having the drive be a boot device AND you are sure sda refers to the disk in question, do this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:42.40 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: sth like `parted` |
| 00:42.47 | thewanderer1 | or gparted |
| 00:42.55 | nsadmin | I kinda like gparted |
| 00:43.17 | nsadmin | but do this (it zeros the MBR) first |
| 00:43.17 | f00li5h | nsadmin: how does zeroing the whole disk help me? |
| 00:43.22 | nsadmin | then make partitions |
| 00:43.27 | nsadmin | it only zeros the MBR |
| 00:43.33 | nsadmin | look at the command closely |
| 00:43.41 | dockimble | is there a decent command line twitter feed reader_ |
| 00:43.42 | dockimble | > |
| 00:43.45 | dockimble | ? |
| 00:43.59 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: if your OS doesn't recognize new partitions now, erasing the MBR won't be of much help |
| 00:44.07 | f00li5h | no kidding. |
| 00:44.18 | abrotman | !tell dockimble about search |
| 00:44.26 | dockimble | i tried the finch plugin, but got a segfault when i tried to add the twitter account |
| 00:44.38 | f00li5h | hey, look at that... |
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| 00:44.53 | f00li5h | re-running the cfdisk shows no partitions, even after writing |
| 00:45.12 | nsadmin | did you try zeroing the mbr yet? |
| 00:45.16 | f00li5h | yes. |
| 00:45.36 | nsadmin | that's just weird |
| 00:45.43 | f00li5h | it's not wierd, it's a fucking pain in the ass |
| 00:45.58 | f00li5h | and there's no module or service or something i can restart to get it to re-hotplug the device? |
| 00:46.13 | a-l-e | abrotman: i've created the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade apt is suggesting to create... |
| 00:46.23 | a-l-e | i wonder if at the end i have a working system... |
| 00:46.30 | mikeconcepts | 1st time on Debian...Hi everyone, no problems |
| 00:46.36 | nsadmin | disconnect/reconnect physically doesn't do it? (it might not be sda after that) |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | a-l-e: i'm sure you will |
| 00:46.44 | thewanderer1 | mikeconcepts: the fun is just ahead of you |
| 00:46.46 | f00li5h | nsadmin: I CAN NOT DO TAHT, IT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN. |
| 00:46.48 | a-l-e | well... um upgrading since 11 hours!!!! |
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| 00:46.57 | f00li5h | i have said this like 4 times now. |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | f00li5h: big town! |
| 00:47.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:47.11 | f00li5h | it could be 2 streets. |
| 00:47.15 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: does partprobe work for you? |
| 00:47.23 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: where does partprobe come from? |
| 00:47.28 | thewanderer1 | gparted |
| 00:47.38 | thewanderer1 | er |
| 00:47.40 | thewanderer1 | parted, actually |
| 00:47.54 | nsadmin | it could have been 400 or 4000 miles... and it could have been a remote you're responsible to keep up, failing, meaning YOU DRIVE THERE... |
| 00:47.58 | f00li5h | why are there so many paritioners? |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | fdisk is pretty low level .. |
| 00:48.09 | mikeconcepts | thewanderer1, yeah, true statement, it's all fun |
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| 00:48.32 | f00li5h | abrotman: so, fdisk showing nothing indicates that it's just not there, right? |
| 00:48.52 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: fdisk indicates that the MBR has not been reloaded |
| 00:48.55 | nsadmin | you could look at the partition table in a hex editor |
| 00:49.06 | nsadmin | err at the MBR |
| 00:49.24 | f00li5h | a hex editor? |
| 00:49.27 | f00li5h | really? |
| 00:49.33 | thewanderer1 | try partprobe first |
| 00:49.40 | thewanderer1 | then resort to "radical means" |
| 00:50.01 | nsadmin | that;s of course low level, and maybe you know what you're looking at, maybe not |
| 00:50.04 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: Warning: Could not determine physical sector size for /dev/sda. Using the logical sector size (512). |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | f00li5h: does it acknowledge the device is htere? |
| 00:50.15 | f00li5h | after which, nothing is changed. |
| 00:50.17 | mikeconcepts | I did the net install for testing and look forward no more cycles |
| 00:50.28 | f00li5h | abrotman: would it compalin if it wasn't? |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:50.40 | f00li5h | it exits with 0 |
| 00:51.07 | thewanderer1 | so check the MBR |
| 00:51.18 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: with which tool? |
| 00:51.39 | abrotman | you mean the partition table? |
| 00:51.44 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 00:51.52 | mikeconcepts | o/ bye |
| 00:52.04 | nsadmin | it looks like it's not seeing it as a block device even |
| 00:52.10 | f00li5h | it *was* |
| 00:52.14 | abrotman | f00li5h: does the device exist in /dev/ ? |
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| 00:52.18 | f00li5h | like I said, i could mount it before. |
| 00:52.20 | nsadmin | how exactly are you calling fdisk? |
| 00:52.27 | f00li5h | yes. |
| 00:52.34 | f00li5h | nsadmin: fdisk /dev/sda |
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| 00:52.47 | abrotman | and then when you type 'p', it shows nothing ? |
| 00:52.51 | f00li5h | right. |
| 00:53.01 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: use anything you like, you can even dd if=/dev/sda of=- bs=512 count=1 | xxd |
| 00:53.09 | f00li5h | that's what I mean when I say "fidsk shows nothing, there are no partitions, at all, on this disk, even after adding and writing" |
| 00:53.10 | abrotman | what if /dev/sda is the wrong device ? |
| 00:53.18 | f00li5h | no. |
| 00:53.18 | thewanderer1 | oh |
| 00:53.20 | f00li5h | it is not. |
| 00:53.23 | a-l-e | abrotman: it has booted... now i can install all the software... |
| 00:53.28 | f00li5h | there are *no* real scsi devices, there are no usb devices. |
| 00:53.28 | thewanderer1 | my one-liner doesn't work :P |
| 00:53.29 | a-l-e | 4 am in bed? i hope so! |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:53.37 | f00li5h | abrotman: there is only one firewire disk. |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | f00li5h: wait .. so if you type 'p |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | f00li5h: wait .. so if you type 'p', it doesn't even give the device summary ? |
| 00:54.26 | f00li5h | !paste |
| 00:54.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:54.30 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 00:55.31 | thewanderer1 | sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=1 count=64 skip=446 | xxd -- works for me |
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| 00:56.11 | abrotman | thewanderer1: this is not ubuntu |
| 00:56.48 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: oh, okay, I just have sudo installed here and am using it |
| 00:56.57 | abrotman | not everyone does .. don't assume they do |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | and sudo can cause problems with | |
| 00:57.19 | thewanderer1 | yes, I know it does sometimes |
| 00:57.35 | thewanderer1 | if the above command returns a block full of 0's then your MBR is empty :P |
| 00:57.40 | f00li5h | fucking parted |
| 00:58.12 | f00li5h | fdisk doesn't like the partition table (which seems to mean that when I tell it to write a new one, it ignores me, and exits with success) |
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| 00:58.53 | abrotman | thewanderer1: his *partition table* |
| 00:59.01 | nsadmin | that thing about the sector size is probably the issue |
| 00:59.19 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: well precisely yes, but that would imply that the MBR has not been written yet after he zeroed it |
| 00:59.33 | abrotman | it would imply his partition table is blank, not the mbr |
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| 01:00.07 | f00li5h | there is no robot to announce pastes? |
| 01:00.11 | f00li5h | http://paste.debian.net/82605/ |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 01:00.26 | abrotman | it was abused by spammers long ago |
| 01:00.38 | f00li5h | so, rate limiting would have been helpful |
| 01:01.03 | f00li5h | anyway, all partitioning tools hate me. |
| 01:01.07 | abrotman | f00li5h: no, it would spam the subject of the paste |
| 01:01.27 | nsadmin | ls -l /dev/sda |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | f00li5h: can you change the disk label with parted ? |
| 01:01.32 | f00li5h | I can troll on paste robots later. |
| 01:01.39 | f00li5h | abrotman: i don't know how to run parted |
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| 01:01.55 | f00li5h | it says "new label" and doesn't tell me what to pick from, and says "fuck you" when I say ? |
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| 01:02.21 | f00li5h | I suppose I want a bsd label? |
| 01:02.36 | abrotman | at this point, put anything in there :) |
| 01:02.40 | balzac5000 | Ever since "update-modules" got deprecated I've been confused - how to I keep unnecessary modules from being loaded at boot with Lenny? |
| 01:02.57 | abrotman | !tell balzac5000 about blacklist |
| 01:02.58 | f00li5h | abrotman: no, i'd like to know what a sensible answer is, so i don't have to do it again. |
| 01:03.03 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: really, what most PCs are using is an msdos label |
| 01:03.16 | f00li5h | fdisk says i'm not using an msdos lable |
| 01:03.18 | nsadmin | if you don't find out why this thing sda doesn't report its block size, this could go anywhere for a long time |
| 01:03.33 | balzac5000 | abrotman: Rockin'! Thanks for the response. |
| 01:03.35 | f00li5h | it was previously used on a mac... so it's likely that "mac" is the current answer |
| 01:03.36 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: msdos is the default one in all IBM compatibles |
| 01:03.39 | thewanderer1 | er |
| 01:03.44 | f00li5h | that or "fucked" since I overwrite the MBR recently |
| 01:04.02 | thewanderer1 | all I know is that msdos works |
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| 01:04.21 | f00li5h | well, fdisk won't write one of those over one of whatever-i-have-now |
| 01:04.50 | f00li5h | fdisk says using msdos is a bad idea |
| 01:04.59 | thewanderer1 | hm |
| 01:05.03 | f00li5h | i'll go with mac ... |
| 01:05.09 | f00li5h | since there are some of those 'round |
| 01:05.22 | thewanderer1 | right... I didn't realize you were on exotic hardware |
| 01:05.34 | thewanderer1 | I don't know a thing on Mac disk labels though |
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| 01:05.49 | f00li5h | "exotic"? |
| 01:05.55 | f00li5h | macs are just i386 |
| 01:06.06 | dockimble | not this mac |
| 01:06.13 | dockimble | it's powerpc |
| 01:06.15 | f00li5h | Error: Partition(s) 16 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a |
| 01:06.18 | f00li5h | result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes. |
| 01:06.26 | f00li5h | damn it. |
| 01:06.28 | thewanderer1 | whatever it says |
| 01:06.35 | f00li5h | http://paste.debian.net/82607/ ... although it's not really worth noting now. |
| 01:06.49 | f00li5h | dockimble: fine, current macs. |
| 01:06.51 | nsadmin | f00li5h: this the first time you got that message? |
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| 01:07.03 | f00li5h | nsadmin: it's the first time i've tried doing anything with parted |
| 01:07.38 | f00li5h | and no, it's not mounted... i'm not sure how it's "in use" |
| 01:07.53 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: your kernel is apparently missing device-mapper and it's difficult to reload partition tables without that |
| 01:08.07 | f00li5h | so, a new kernel? |
| 01:08.22 | moldovean | f00li5h, uname -r ? |
| 01:08.33 | moldovean | says .. |
| 01:08.35 | nsadmin | I'm still curious about that too |
| 01:08.36 | f00li5h | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 01:08.59 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: modprobe dm_mod |
| 01:09.08 | f00li5h | dm? |
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| 01:09.22 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.22 | thewanderer1 | yeah, device mapper is a nice thing to have |
| 01:09.22 | f00li5h | should I have man pages for that? |
| 01:09.46 | nsadmin | manpages are not required for modules |
| 01:09.48 | thewanderer1 | well, it's a kernel module, so more like 'text files in the kernel about it' |
| 01:09.55 | nsadmin | only for executables |
| 01:10.07 | f00li5h | nsadmin: no, they are required for me to have some idea what the fuck i'm loading into my kernel |
| 01:10.27 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: dm_mod is the device mapper module |
| 01:10.35 | f00li5h | -- more -- |
| 01:10.43 | moldovean | google |
| 01:10.55 | f00li5h | i am asking for docs, and i get a "go google it"... |
| 01:11.15 | nsadmin | device mapper is relevent to lvm; what does it have to do with this? |
| 01:11.22 | thewanderer1 | not only lvm |
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| 01:11.29 | thewanderer1 | mapping devices in general :P |
| 01:11.47 | jelly-home | f00li5h: wth do you have 16 partitions on a single device! |
| 01:11.52 | f00li5h | how many pages of bug reports should I skip to get to the docs? |
| 01:12.14 | thewanderer1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_mapper |
| 01:12.16 | f00li5h | jelly-home: not really, i just fucked my partition table because i was told to overwrite to mbr ... because it'd "help" |
| 01:12.18 | thewanderer1 | perhaps see this |
| 01:12.51 | jelly-home | f00li5h: oh, I'm not going to ask who suggested that. Do you have any data needing restoring? |
| 01:13.09 | thewanderer1 | your kpartx was complaining about d-m missing, so you may as well load dm_mod |
| 01:13.20 | nsadmin | f00li5h, recall that you decided to do it because you were ok with starting over, and you were sure sda referred to the drive in question |
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| 01:13.45 | f00li5h | nsadmin: it does, it is, and i don't care. |
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| 01:13.54 | f00li5h | i just want a damn fs on this fucking disk. |
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| 01:14.23 | nsadmin | maybe you'll have to drive across town to see what the problem is |
| 01:14.23 | Bendbanks | hi i'm trying to get my apache2 up and when i restart it i get a error message "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 01:14.23 | Bendbanks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | f00li5h: did you try that rescan scsi thing ? |
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| 01:14.48 | f00li5h | abrotman: well, i stopped at "(where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host)" |
| 01:14.54 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: if everything fails you, screw everything: mkfs.ext3 /dev/yourdevice -- you get no partitions but still a filesystem :P |
| 01:15.19 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: no partitions you say? |
| 01:15.20 | f00li5h | sold. |
| 01:15.32 | nsadmin | is not convinced sda is the correct device |
| 01:15.33 | thewanderer1 | it works with pendrives at least |
| 01:15.43 | f00li5h | it's making some inodes for me. |
| 01:16.04 | f00li5h | thewanderer1++ # whatever gets the job done |
| 01:16.18 | f00li5h | i suspect this disk will be totally unusable anywhere else ... |
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| 01:16.34 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: if Windows recognizes this as a pendrive, it'll support it |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | f00li5h: why? |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | thewanderer1: no, it may not |
| 01:16.48 | thewanderer1 | in fact, Windows creates filesystems on whole devices *by default* |
| 01:16.55 | thewanderer1 | in terms of pendrives |
| 01:17.00 | f00li5h | abrotman: why would I be warned about it if it wouldn't cause problems? |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | no, it may not detect it |
| 01:17.12 | thewanderer1 | true |
| 01:17.13 | f00li5h | /dev/sda is entire device, not just one partition! Proceed anyway? (y,n) y |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | f00li5h: i meant about the stopping at the host# |
| 01:17.32 | f00li5h | abrotman: i don't know, perhaps because I don't have a scsi host, at all. |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | f00li5h: the firewire bus is your "scsi host" |
| 01:17.53 | f00li5h | my ass it is. |
| 01:18.04 | abrotman | okay .. have fun with thewanderer1 .. i'm sure it'll work in the end |
| 01:18.09 | jelly-home | f00li5h: to satisfy nsadmin and all the others, please paste your /proc/mounts to confirm no other partitions on the 1TB /dev/sda disk are in use at present |
| 01:18.18 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h: if you work with UNIX hosts, you can just `mount /dev/sda` at them :P |
| 01:18.24 | f00li5h | jelly-home: no. |
| 01:18.31 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: indeed. |
| 01:18.41 | thewanderer1 | well then |
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| 01:18.51 | f00li5h | jelly-home: there is no partition table on the disk, how the hell can something be mounted? |
| 01:19.08 | thewanderer1 | an ext4 filesystem spanning the whole device should work |
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| 01:19.22 | voss749 | Hoiw come the debian netinst doesnt have a graphical installer option, It booted it up and It was like booting mandrake in 1999 :) |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | voss749: it does |
| 01:19.52 | f00li5h | voss749: it's an installer, just ignore it. |
| 01:20.07 | voss749 | fool its not easy to find if there is one |
| 01:20.14 | jelly-home | f00li5h: this is the scenario: one uses a device, perhaps mounting partitions; one nukes the mbr sector; Linux still uses the partition table previously loaded; fdisk now shows empty partition table |
| 01:20.18 | thewanderer1 | according to my personal experiences on a few laptops, the console installer is still more stable than the GTK one - the latter would hang |
| 01:20.27 | f00li5h | jelly-home: that is not the case. |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | voss749: anyways, how many times will you install? But it is there, you have to type something in to have it activated |
| 01:20.44 | jelly-home | f00li5h: mayhaps, but this is very easy to do |
| 01:21.11 | f00li5h | jelly-home: mount | grep sda -> |
| 01:21.36 | jelly-home | f00li5h: mount reads /etc/mtab, not /proc/mounts |
| 01:21.42 | voss749 | abrot, I thought I would see what debian is like just in case Linux Mint decides to switch from ubuntu to debian as its base. |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | voss749: that'd be interesting :) |
| 01:22.18 | f00li5h | jelly-home: grep sda /proc/mounts -> |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | voss749: well, the GUI installer is there, but like i said, you'll only really install once, and it takes .. 10 minutes ? |
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| 01:22.23 | jelly-home | f00li5h: that's better |
| 01:23.00 | voss749 | abrot, well you do have to remember to leave your netbook plugged in so it doesnt run out of power during the install hehe |
| 01:23.09 | f00li5h | i appreciate evidence based reasoning... |
| 01:23.10 | abrotman | voss749: try 'abrot<tab>' |
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| 01:23.22 | voss749 | wow |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | voss749: how does a graphical installer fix that ? |
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| 01:23.48 | voss749 | It doesnt but it would have sped up my installation :) |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | if you say so |
| 01:24.01 | abrotman | I'm sure you're almost done by now though! |
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| 01:26.07 | voss749 | Nope still installing core packages |
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| 01:26.39 | voss749 | My connection is only 1.2mbps |
| 01:26.40 | f00li5h | voss749: perhaps a local mirror would be helpful |
| 01:27.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | oh i know .. my bandwidth is slow, i should mirror everything |
| 01:29.07 | f00li5h | it is possible to take the packages from an existing install, and turn that into the start of your mirror... |
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| 01:29.11 | thewanderer1 | in African regions where the Internet access is poor they use pendrives to carry HTML files and HTTP requests between schools :P |
| 01:29.22 | f00li5h | so if you're installing a mirror box, you could use the contents of your netbook as a mirror |
| 01:29.51 | jpinx-eeepc | !clone |
| 01:29.51 | f00li5h | thewanderer1: i'm pretty sure it's all about mobile internet in those parts |
| 01:29.51 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 01:30.12 | f00li5h | wow. |
| 01:30.14 | dockimble | how does one shut down a debian machine from the command line, so that it powers off? |
| 01:30.16 | f00li5h | package variables ... |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | dockimble: poweroff |
| 01:30.21 | f00li5h | halt |
| 01:30.41 | jpinx-eeepc | thewanderer1: which african regions? |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: he's making a bad joke, please ignore him |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | or make him go away ... |
| 01:31.08 | phorce1_home | f00li5h: halt doesn't power down the machine |
| 01:31.54 | f00li5h | phorce1_home: halt -p will |
| 01:32.00 | abrotman | you didn't say that |
| 01:32.02 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/19/1/2/ -- you might want to see this - unless they just made fun of us all :P |
| 01:32.15 | abrotman | thewanderer1: just knock it off .. go play somewhere else |
| 01:32.34 | jarick | thewanderer1: The offtopic channel is That Way. |
| 01:32.35 | f00li5h | abrotman: you're right, i tend to assume people will read man pages for a command before punching it in as root... |
| 01:32.42 | thewanderer1 | alright |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | f00li5h: crazy how that works |
| 01:33.02 | f00li5h | crazy that it works "Only In Theory" |
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| 01:43.05 | abrotman | marshallmc: look at the other priorities and what they mean |
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| 02:02.24 | s5s | I have a problem with Squeeze internet connection. I seem to not be able to connect. However if I boot into Lenny I can connect after several retries. It seems that the ISP rejects squeeze and then it takes several retries to get it to accept lenny. I have the modules loaded (b44) and my connection is wired. Any advice? |
| 02:04.08 | moldovean | s5s, again ? you get answered last day ? |
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| 02:04.41 | s5s | when I do ifconfig the eth0 device is not visible. However if I put it up dmesg says no ipv6 routers present |
| 02:05.04 | nsadmin | s5s, that thing need firmware? |
| 02:05.23 | s5s | nsadmin: it has it already - module is loaded (b44) |
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| 02:05.53 | nsadmin | just because the module loads, doesn't mean the firmware loads |
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| 02:06.04 | s5s | nsadmin: what's the difference? |
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| 02:06.29 | abrotman | if it needs firmware, and it's not there, the module will load but not actually work |
| 02:06.36 | s5s | nsadmin: It has always worked out of the box. It used to work with Squeeze for a very short time and then stopped |
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| 02:06.53 | nsadmin | why did it stop? |
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| 02:07.50 | s5s | nsadmin: no idea. What I get in lenny is limited connectivity - self-assigned address. I suspect it's the same |
| 02:08.25 | not-me | can anyone help with smokeping? like a good url to install it? |
| 02:08.33 | s5s | abrotman: it shouldn't need any firmware - it's wired and it has always worked out of the box ever since etch |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | s5s: they removed firmware .. this is the b44 right ? |
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| 02:08.56 | s5s | abrotman: yes |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | did you look through dmesg for missing firmware messages? |
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| 02:09.52 | s5s | abrotman: no such messages. Well I didn't look much but I saw that eth0 was up followed by no ipv6 routers present |
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| 02:10.20 | s5s | abrotman: where did you read that firware is taken out? |
| 02:10.42 | s5s | I thought that the idea is to support more, not less |
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| 02:12.18 | abrotman | s5s: some firmware was removed .. should be mostly gone by now |
| 02:13.28 | elik | Talking of firmware, I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and some firmware are being taken out of kernel and require 3rd party files |
| 02:13.40 | elik | but I can't find those for r8169 |
| 02:14.02 | elik | rtl8168d-[12].fw |
| 02:14.17 | s5s | elik are there any problems when upgrading? I've always run into problems and dependecies issues when upgrading distributions |
| 02:14.17 | elik | all I can find on the topic is that they should be added to firmware-nonfree |
| 02:15.19 | elik | s5s, I've done it in the past and it worked great. I did it this morning and it didn't work very well (I had desktop packages installed (gnome, etc)). I just did it again, and it worked well (bare system) |
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| 02:16.04 | abrotman | elik: there are a few firmware packages in non-free |
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| 02:19.33 | elik | abrotman, apt-file can't find a file of the names I see in the warnings |
| 02:19.41 | s5s | abrotman: do you know whether installing the b43 firmware (which is for my wifi) will get the b44 working. I guess you can't know but I can't seem to find any firmware for b44 |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | elik: is that really the name |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | s5s: not related AFAIK |
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| 02:20.50 | elik | abrotman, when upgrading the kernel, I noted down the file names: rtl8168d-1.fw and -2 |
| 02:21.16 | abrotman | elik: ah okay .. i'd just try to grab the firmware packages .. |
| 02:21.30 | s5s | hmmm the kernel has the header files for b44 so should be working right? |
| 02:22.49 | a-atwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.20 | elik | abrotman, after installing firmware-linux firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-realtek, still no file of that name |
| 02:24.30 | abrotman | s5s: can you put all of dmesg in the pastebin |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | elik: internets ? |
| 02:25.24 | elik | on another card |
| 02:26.53 | s5s | abrotman: I'll try but I'll have to log out and switch hardrives :) |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | eh what? |
| 02:28.07 | s5s | abrotman: to get dmesg of the problematic installation |
| 02:28.12 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 02:28.18 | abrotman | i might be asleep by then :) |
| 02:28.26 | not-me | anybody know anything about smokeping on debian 5? |
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| 02:30.12 | nsadmin | , versions smokeping |
| 02:30.14 | judd | smokeping -- etch: 2.0.9-2; lenny: 2.3.6-3; sid: 2.3.6-5; squeeze: 2.3.6-5 |
| 02:30.42 | nsadmin | not-me: not a damn thing... but you can install it |
| 02:31.03 | not-me | hmm ive isntalled it but it looks like its only a partial install |
| 02:31.21 | not-me | i'll raise a bugreport |
| 02:31.50 | nsadmin | why does it look like that? |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | not-me: it works fine |
| 02:32.22 | not-me | well the doc sayd gto cgi/bin/smokebin.cgi but that directory is empty |
| 02:32.30 | abrotman | not-me: your browser? |
| 02:32.32 | not-me | oops |
| 02:32.41 | not-me | well the doc sayd goto cgi-bin/smokebin.cgi but that directory is empty |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | with your browser? |
| 02:32.58 | not-me | i dont see why its firefox |
| 02:33.04 | not-me | yes with my browser |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | not-me: i've installed it in a few places, always worked fine |
| 02:33.18 | not-me | but im on /var/www/cgi-bin and its empty |
| 02:33.47 | elik | abrotman, the interface still seem to work, but I'd like to have those darn .fw files to shut those warnings up |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | not-me: it's supposed to be |
| 02:34.09 | abrotman | elik: you'll probably have to ask google or the kernel maintainers |
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| 02:34.41 | elik | abrotman, google got me as far as the bug reports to firmware-linux-nonfree :S |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | awesome |
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| 02:35.02 | maher | what's the easiest way to have a shared spreadsheet - something like gnumeric in apache would be ideal |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | not-me: if you look, the package installs an apache2 config file that puts an alias in the system |
| 02:35.21 | maher | or a wiki-fied spreadheet... |
| 02:36.00 | not-me | abrotman then what url am i meant to put? |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | it already told you |
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| 02:36.20 | not-me | what told me? |
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| 02:39.46 | not-me | where do i ollok? |
| 02:39.50 | not-me | look? |
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| 02:40.43 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/smokeping/ for starters? |
| 02:41.42 | not-me | ok thanks i will go look |
| 02:41.43 | Techtronic | not-me: go to: http://127.0.0.1/smokeping/smokeping.cgi it works ? |
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| 02:43.33 | abrotman | you forgot the cgi-bin |
| 02:44.57 | not-me | nope |
| 02:45.29 | not-me | I assume somewhere there is a file to symbolically link or edit |
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| 02:46.17 | not-me | http://graywitch.co.nz/smokeping/smokeping.cgi |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | it creates the apache2 config option |
| 02:47.11 | Techtronic | abrotman yes |
| 02:47.15 | Techtronic | Alias /smokeping /usr/share/smokeping/www |
| 02:47.21 | Techtronic | ScriptAlias /smokeping/smokeping.cgi /usr/share/smokeping/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | i know it does .. i use it |
| 02:49.38 | not-me | whats a "apache2 config option" ? |
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| 02:50.32 | not-me | there is no usr/share/smokeping/www |
| 02:50.46 | not-me | its missing or the layout has changed |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | not-me: /usr/share/doc/smokeping/ |
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| 02:51.09 | not-me | i can see the docs |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | not-me: okay .. which version of smokeping ? dpkg -l smokeping |
| 02:51.47 | not-me | the one i installed 30mins ago |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | which is? |
| 02:51.57 | not-me | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | not-me: dpkg -L smokeping | grep cgi .. see the file ? |
| 02:52.45 | not-me | thanks |
| 02:53.24 | not-me | that was helpful |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | was that sarcasm? |
| 02:54.53 | not-me | well a sym lnk to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi didnt fix it |
| 02:55.00 | not-me | no |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | i told you it wouldn't |
| 02:55.23 | not-me | lol no i wasnt being offensive, soory thats a neat command |
| 02:55.43 | not-me | i meant |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | not-me: i've only ever had to configure the conf file for smokeping itself ... not the http server |
| 02:56.49 | abrotman | a2enmod cgi perhaps ? |
| 02:57.08 | not-me | yeah, i did it about 2 years back on an older debian |
| 02:57.33 | not-me | im googling and it says nothing about editing apache... |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | oh, that's not the riht module name |
| 02:58.11 | not-me | says its already enabled |
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| 02:58.15 | not-me | k |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | oh, it is |
| 02:58.36 | not-me | i had to rebuild my system after the raid card and debain stopped agreeing |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | not-me: time to look in the apache error logs |
| 02:58.50 | not-me | done that the error logs are empty |
| 02:58.58 | abrotman | and the access logs? |
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| 02:59.39 | abrotman | if they're both empty, something else is going on .. like you're hitting the wrong IP |
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| 03:00.14 | not-me | like duh....i set a new error log for my site |
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| 03:00.31 | not-me | [Mon Aug 09 14:54:28 2010] [error] [client 130.195.86.37] File does not exist: /var/www/graywitch/Site/cgi-bin |
| 03:00.56 | not-me | 130.195.86.37 - - [09/Aug/2010:14:54:28 +1200] "GET /cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi HTTP/1.1" 404 299 |
| 03:01.10 | not-me | i suspect that I need a conf fiel for apache |
| 03:01.25 | abrotman | you changed somehting .. |
| 03:01.45 | abrotman | you changed the cgi-bin directory it seems |
| 03:01.48 | not-me | ive edited apache to run 2 sites |
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| 03:02.02 | abrotman | try looking at an Alias for your stuff |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:02.39 | not-me | k |
| 03:02.41 | not-me | bbl |
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| 03:04.01 | not-me | hmm i cant see anything off hand but i know little about aapche2 beyond I find it hard to configure |
| 03:05.15 | not-me | so i have a basic site and squiirelmail running |
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| 03:13.30 | Suguiura | Hey guys, where should I ask about those main/contrib/non-free repositories in Debian? |
| 03:15.27 | FluxD | Suguiura, what about them? |
| 03:15.33 | madi | hi! I'm trying to download the Debian CD from cdimage.debian.org (squeeze) by torrent, but the download seems to be stuck, is there any known broblem? |
| 03:15.42 | madi | problem* |
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| 03:16.38 | Suguiura | FluxD: I'd like to know if a specific version of a package in contrib can be migrated to main, for example. |
| 03:17.20 | FluxD | Suguiura, I think it has to satisfy some checklist, try asking the maintainer of the package first |
| 03:17.47 | FluxD | madi, what are the trackers you see? |
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| 03:19.04 | madi | FluxD, it says "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" |
| 03:19.06 | Suguiura | FluxD: Thanks. I just wanted to know if possible. |
| 03:19.25 | Suguiura | if it's possible* |
| 03:19.29 | Ping_Floyd | madi: http version is really fast also... you could try that |
| 03:19.36 | madi | FluxD, http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/announce |
| 03:19.49 | FluxD | madi, try removing the torrent and trying again, it should resume the files |
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| 03:20.05 | madi | Ping_Floyd, sorry, not with my network :( |
| 03:20.28 | Ping_Floyd | u.u |
| 03:20.42 | Suguiura | madi: have you already tried different mirrors? |
| 03:20.53 | FluxD | http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/ looks like a lot of them have no seeders |
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| 03:22.00 | madi | Suguiura, uhm, for torrent AFAIK i can't choose any mirror |
| 03:22.36 | Suguiura | madi: for http version I mean... |
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| 03:23.10 | madi | Suguiura, ah, no I have a very bad network, frequently disconnects |
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| 03:24.05 | Ping_Fl0yd | twidge is no longer on debian repositories U_U |
| 03:24.59 | Suguiura | madi: I see.. what torrent are you using? I can test it here |
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| 03:25.59 | madi | Suguiura, from here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ the full CD/DVD #1 amd64 |
| 03:26.18 | madi | (via bittorrent) |
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| 03:28.12 | Suguiura | madi: squeeze Alpha1? |
| 03:28.40 | madi | Suguiura, yep, the DVD |
| 03:29.01 | madi | Suguiura, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/amd64/bt-dvd/ here |
| 03:30.37 | Suguiura | madi: I get the same error |
| 03:31.12 | madi | too bad |
| 03:31.19 | madi | no peers |
| 03:31.23 | madi | :( |
| 03:31.36 | Suguiura | sorry =/ |
| 03:31.46 | madi | thank you Suguiura |
| 03:32.02 | FluxD | madi, you can download it with an http client that supports resume |
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| 03:32.15 | Suguiura | You're welcome. If you use wget, you can check on the -c option |
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| 03:32.59 | madi | I'll try tomorrow at university, there I can have a better network, thanks |
| 03:34.30 | madi | goodnight o/ |
| 03:34.38 | Suguiura | G'night! o/ |
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| 03:35.23 | Suguiura | I'm going too. Cya guys and thanks FluxD! |
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| 04:46.34 | Zenac | Hey im trying to setup xorg on my Wii that uses debian as it's linux distro through an sd card |
| 04:46.47 | Zenac | but it won't load the drivers |
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| 04:47.12 | Nai-ux | hi, i have an xorg issue on a new machine, it runs at 1920x1200 display but it looks like wrong amount of dots or something, text&cursor looks weird. http://scsys.co.uk:8002/ |
| 04:47.47 | Nai-ux | i meant to paste the xorg.. which is at http://pastebin.ca/1913658 |
| 04:49.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !xorg config |
| 04:49.13 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
| 04:49.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Nai-ux: ^^^^ |
| 04:53.19 | Nai-ux | thanks jpinx-eeepc |
| 04:53.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Nai-ux: yw - I don't know the answer - just how to find it ;) |
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| 04:58.09 | Nai-ux | sory had to go away but im back, |
| 04:58.35 | Nai-ux | so. i ran the Xorg -configure and copied the file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf then i put in the screen specification as you can see in the xorg, and the resolution is correct it seems |
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| 04:59.09 | Nai-ux | but it looks like there is squashing going on, or pixelation |
| 04:59.39 | Nai-ux | i am guessing wrong verticle sync or something for the monitor? i pressed Auto on the hardware so it adjusted |
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| 05:00.13 | Nai-ux | Zenac: you are using debian on a Wii console? |
| 05:00.21 | Zenac | yeh i got it working |
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| 05:01.25 | WaterRatj | Is their a way to run debian inside windows? (but a full installation, not live version) ? |
| 05:02.54 | Nai-ux | WaterRatj, vmware server lets you run guest operating systems inside your host operating system |
| 05:03.40 | WaterRatj | But will that save stuff when I run stuff in it then? |
| 05:03.54 | pallgone | WaterRatj: well, you can use virtualbox or probably virtual-pc |
| 05:04.22 | WaterRatj | pallgone: Will that save stuff? |
| 05:04.30 | pallgone | WaterRatj: you have to install debian to a virtual harddrive |
| 05:05.00 | WaterRatj | And that's possible with virtualbox? |
| 05:05.17 | Nai-ux | WaterRatj, yes vmware-server allows you to allocate.. for example a 10GB file to be the OS which has read/write |
| 05:05.44 | Nai-ux | then you can boot it in a window, its just the same as having it directly on there. or you can test live distributions instead of install to a space allocation |
| 05:06.18 | ScottG | You disable kms by using the /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf. But what do you add to that file? |
| 05:06.21 | WaterRatj | Okay, i'll try that, with the space allocation |
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| 05:06.27 | Nai-ux | virtualbox is same kind of thing, you may find one works better for your purpose |
| 05:06.42 | WaterRatj | I just want a basic debian install to test stuff |
| 05:06.57 | pallgone | WaterRatj: yeah, oh... I forgot.. there is also coLinux |
| 05:07.06 | Nai-ux | WaterRatj: you can install deb from the .iso file (by adding to the vmware datastore) or from cdrom media |
| 05:07.08 | WaterRatj | lol all these things ^^ confusing |
| 05:07.15 | ScottG | Docs I am reading are just saying to edit that file "accordingly" |
| 05:07.31 | pallgone | WaterRatj: it lets you run Linux natively in Windows |
| 05:07.34 | WaterRatj | Is it possbiel to just install debian CLI? without the desktop and stuff |
| 05:08.01 | Nai-ux | yes just get the 32mb or 150mb debian installer and do the minimal install |
| 05:08.12 | pallgone | WaterRatj: http://colinux.org/ |
| 05:08.13 | Nai-ux | then if you want graphics later do 'apt-get install xorg' and you are done |
| 05:08.24 | pallgone | WaterRatj: they also have a debian image so don't even have to install it |
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| 05:09.17 | WaterRatj | Okay okay, so pallgone, colinux.org can install a debian CLI inside my windows without restarting and having he option to save stuff? when I open it again later? just to be sure? |
| 05:11.10 | pallgone | WaterRatj: no, you don't get an option to save... it will always save... it's like real :) |
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| 05:11.28 | WaterRatj | pallgone: thats what I ment ^^ |
| 05:11.49 | WaterRatj | does coLinux have a chan if I need help later on? |
| 05:11.54 | pallgone | WaterRatj: but coLinux can be bit complicated, so if you can't handle it, try virtualbox or something |
| 05:12.25 | pallgone | WaterRatj: well, if your questions are related to debian you are running with coLinux you could ask here I guess |
| 05:12.39 | WaterRatj | k, let me try it and see how things |
| 05:12.41 | WaterRatj | *go |
| 05:13.17 | pallgone | The official coLinux channel is #colinux at irc.oftc.net |
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| 05:16.29 | pallgone | WaterRatj: I still have my coLinux debian image from when I was playing with that :) |
| 05:16.55 | WaterRatj | pallgone: ^^, Trying cLinux now |
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| 05:17.36 | pallgone | you found the debian images? |
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| 05:18.20 | pallgone | they are on the same page you can DL colinux |
| 05:18.45 | WaterRatj | let me check, just tried to run the installer |
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| 05:19.19 | WaterRatj | is that the latest debian install? |
| 05:19.36 | alcy | is there a command to do nothing for a period of time, except sleep <seconds> ? |
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| 05:20.40 | pallgone | WaterRatj: 5.0 is the latest stable |
| 05:21.06 | pallgone | alcy: that's the one, why you need another? |
| 05:21.47 | alcy | pallgone: another app (puppet) won't take it. |
| 05:22.24 | pallgone | won't take it? |
| 05:22.43 | WaterRatj | pallgone: Do I need WinPcap? |
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| 05:23.57 | alcy | pallgone: nevermind, its a puppet problem. I'll see if wrapping inside a script makes a difference |
| 05:24.36 | pallgone | WaterRatj: no, it should work without |
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| 05:28.12 | WaterRatj | pallgone: Okay got it installed and the debian source, now on to the config file |
| 05:28.30 | MrWGW | with apt-get, if I want it to ignore a specific dependency, I should use apt-get -m install, right? |
| 05:28.41 | MrWGW | I have a system with a newer version of a package than the one depended on by an app I'm trying to install |
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| 05:30.18 | WaterRatj | pallgone: Can you help me on he config file? or don't you have time / don't wanne ^^ |
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| 05:49.47 | fluffymuffins | hello, i have been having lots of problems with my lenny hpc. i have posted 2 threads on linuxquestions.org, but seems noone is answering them, and i need the system running asap. |
| 05:49.52 | fluffymuffins | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4060334#post4060334 |
| 05:51.17 | fluffymuffins | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...9/#post4060059 |
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| 05:59.09 | WaterRatj | hmm pallgone you here? seems Ihave a password problem ö |
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| 06:01.51 | a-l-e | is there anything i can do if taskel crashed while working? |
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| 06:02.44 | a-l-e | i mean, without starting over the whole install process... |
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| 06:10.38 | fluffymuffins | seems as though no helpers are monitoring the channel currently |
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| 06:13.03 | jpinx-eeepc | fluffymuffins: it's night time usa |
| 06:14.00 | jpinx-eeepc | fluffymuffins: and I have no clue about hpc - sorry |
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| 06:15.51 | nsadmin | fluffymuffins: the URL for the question isn't working; seems it has ... where something tried to shorten the url for display |
| 06:16.48 | ScottG | Have there been a lot of problems with little lines quickly flickering around monitors with new X updates? |
| 06:17.24 | ScottG | Besides this problem (which is just annoying enough to need fixing) the update is great. Huge reso in tty's and really fast switching. |
| 06:17.25 | nsadmin | maybe someone reported said problems to the BTS |
| 06:17.51 | ScottG | Hm...not sure what to search for...static I guess would be the word |
| 06:17.55 | ScottG | really sparse though |
| 06:18.07 | nsadmin | in fact, the way you pose your question, you're asking for known problems |
| 06:18.33 | ScottG | If only there was a place we could all talk about known problems |
| 06:18.41 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 06:18.41 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 06:18.44 | fluffymuffins | @nsadmin: linuxquestions.org > debian has a sad smily face on it. post by fluffymuffins. |
| 06:18.45 | nsadmin | right there. |
| 06:19.09 | ScottG | lol yea, thanks :) |
| 06:19.30 | a-l-e | i was doing a taskel with the desktop apps and when i got up this morning i saw that it crashed while setting up... is there any way to let apt-get finish the setup? |
| 06:19.49 | fluffymuffins | @nsadmin: link to other thread is on this thread i mentioned. |
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| 06:20.34 | a-l-e | apt-get install --fix-missing does nothgin... |
| 06:20.43 | nsadmin | fluffymuffins: I'm not personally available at the moment; you probably need to correct the url |
| 06:21.36 | a-l-e | rerunning tasksel does nothing... |
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| 06:22.35 | ScottG | Can't find the bug I seem to be having |
| 06:22.40 | fluffymuffins | @nsadmin: try this one. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dpkg-error-in-configure-in-most-all-508-programs-after-apt-get-dist-upgrade-825017/ |
| 06:23.15 | fluffymuffins | @nsadmin: once again the link to my other thread is on this thread |
| 06:23.24 | nsadmin | fluffymuffins: that would be a request for someone who's available |
| 06:24.16 | fluffymuffins | weeeeall. is anyone available for help with a hpc system or dhcp problems? |
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| 06:25.05 | jpinx-eeepc | fluffymuffins: paste output of uname -a |
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| 06:25.41 | fluffymuffins | Linux mediaserv 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Jul 11 02:12:03 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:26.54 | KB1JWQ | Is that a backports kernel? |
| 06:27.04 | jpinx-eeepc | fluffymuffins: I don't recognise the release you are using |
| 06:27.22 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 06:27.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 06:29.04 | fluffymuffins | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.13 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: not debian methinks |
| 06:29.40 | nsadmin | maybe not... but the uname -r matches etch exactlyh |
| 06:30.03 | fluffymuffins | i formerly used sid, before i started using my desktop as the headnode. |
| 06:30.03 | nsadmin | err not etch |
| 06:30.07 | nsadmin | squeeze |
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| 06:30.27 | fluffymuffins | then switched repos to lenny |
| 06:30.38 | fluffymuffins | which seem to work, til now. |
| 06:31.08 | jpinx-eeepc | mix-n-match :( |
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| 06:34.22 | fluffymuffins | i can switch kernels, but will that really fix the problem? |
| 06:34.32 | fluffymuffins | i think not |
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| 06:35.13 | nsadmin | given the history, I agree. your problems are deeper and will require time to resolve |
| 06:35.43 | jpinx-eeepc | fluffymuffins: given your sources you have a fair amount of sorting out to do |
| 06:36.25 | xx1 | start by creating a backup (configs + pkg list) of the current state =/ |
| 06:36.32 | xx1 | looks pretty bad to me |
| 06:36.41 | jpinx-eeepc | looks horrid :( |
| 06:37.16 | nsadmin | make a backup of your own data; if you keep info on the machine, that's what to back up first |
| 06:37.53 | nsadmin | after that, probably your best bet is to reinstall |
| 06:38.12 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: beat me to it ;) |
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| 06:39.54 | nsadmin | well depending on what you want to do of course... you might want to try and fix it... that will take some doing |
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| 06:42.32 | fluffymuffins | well what of my problems with dpkg? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dpkg-error-in-configure-in-most-all-508-programs-after-apt-get-dist-upgrade-825017/ |
| 06:42.40 | nsadmin | the hard/official line is "that's going to be a difficult task" and the nonofficial reason is partly that you didn't completely upgrade every time and partly that debian packaging adds a good amount of complexity to the point you really need to know what you're doing |
| 06:43.35 | jpinx-eeepc | fluffymuffins: it's possible that your problems with dpkg was using it instead of aptitude |
| 06:43.35 | nsadmin | fluffymuffins, that would be all part of the same thing |
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| 06:46.52 | homecable | how do i make my iptable script load on networkcard pre up ? |
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| 06:48.12 | sweetpi | homecable: put your script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
| 06:49.08 | sweetpi | homecable: make your script check $IFACE to see what interface it is |
| 06:49.47 | homecable | chmod +x myfile |
| 06:49.54 | homecable | right |
| 06:51.27 | ribasushi | hi there |
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| 06:52.16 | ribasushi | linux-headers-2.6.35-trunk-686 got into experimental over a week ago, but there still isn't a linux-kbuild-2.6.35 which is a dependency |
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| 06:52.56 | ribasushi | is this normal-ish given experimental, or should I report a bug somewhere |
| 06:53.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
| 06:53.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a strange issue |
| 06:54.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !experimental |
| 06:54.02 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 06:54.09 | jpinx-eeepc | ribasushi: ^^^ |
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| 06:57.12 | ribasushi | jpinx-eeepc: this doesn't do anything to answer my question, which a simple yes/no |
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| 07:01.01 | fluffymuffins | jpinx-eeepc: anything with aptitude, if you read the error report, would autoremove all the kde i currently have. idk why auto remove set that, but fact is that it is happening. |
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| 07:02.46 | i_am_error | !tell Eryn_1983_FL about ask |
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| 07:04.52 | jpinx-eeepc | fluffymuffins: I'd back up your data and re-install - it's too messy to sort out imho |
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| 07:13.37 | fluffymuffins | jpinx-eeepc: you serious????? i have put so much into this server. sooooo much. so many programs that i will have to re-find and all that. you really think its that bad?? |
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| 07:14.34 | jpinx-eeepc | fluffymuffins: it's a serious mess - you might be able to fix it with clever use of aptitude |
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| 07:15.12 | fluffymuffins | jpinx-eeepc: define? |
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| 07:15.51 | jpinx-eeepc | man aptitude dude - that's what I'd have to do |
| 07:16.17 | jpinx-eeepc | you went from sid to lenny - don't expect this to be easy |
| 07:16.26 | jpinx-eeepc | !downgrade |
| 07:16.26 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 07:17.11 | fluffymuffins | thats like... alot of work |
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| 07:17.38 | fluffymuffins | dpkg -i per package... |
| 07:17.38 | dpkg | installs per package... into fluffymuffins's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 07:18.33 | smuffs | hello! can i imgage burn debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso to usb pen drive and install it from there? |
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| 07:19.19 | KB1JWQ | On a Debian box, I have a file installed. How do I tell which package "owns" that file? |
| 07:19.38 | jpinx-eeepc | smuffs: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 07:19.56 | smuffs | jpinx-eeepc my question is specific for debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso. can you please answer it? |
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| 07:20.24 | KB1JWQ | smuffs: Read the damned factoid. :-) |
| 07:20.28 | KB1JWQ | It applies. |
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| 07:21.06 | jpinx-eeepc | smuffs: no |
| 07:21.15 | jpinx-eeepc | smuffs: do your own legwork ;) |
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| 07:26.00 | jpinx-eeepc | KB1JWQ: I vaguely remember somethin about clever use of dpkg's options for that |
| 07:26.09 | smuffs | i have this image and i wanna install from it. the install guides only mention the hdmedia, not the debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 07:26.23 | smuffs | question is can i somehow put debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso on pen drive and install from it |
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| 07:26.33 | KB1JWQ | Yeah, that's what I was hoping for, but I can't recall what it is. :-) |
| 07:26.40 | jpinx-eeepc | smuffs: yes |
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| 07:26.56 | jpinx-eeepc | KB1JWQ: sorry dude - me neither |
| 07:27.07 | KB1JWQ | dpkg -S <file> |
| 07:27.08 | dpkg | You Fool! <file> is installed! |
| 07:27.09 | KB1JWQ | There we go! |
| 07:27.09 | smuffs | i tried with the netinst, and it works. but my network card is defect , so i can't install from netinst |
| 07:27.24 | smuffs | that's why i want ot install directly debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 07:27.38 | jpinx-eeepc | KB1JWQ: nice one :) |
| 07:28.02 | KB1JWQ | jpinx-eeepc: Hey, you pointed me in the right direction; thanks! |
| 07:28.10 | jarick | jpinx-eeepc: I've just rechecked. Is the usb install factoid broken for you? |
| 07:28.13 | jarick | It seems to work here. |
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| 07:29.49 | jpinx-eeepc | wfm :) |
| 07:30.04 | smuffs | what im saying is debian usb install methods mention only netinst. but not debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 07:31.01 | smuffs | so when i make the zcat boot.img > /dev/sda, i have no space left on device, only 200 mbs |
| 07:31.03 | me|kor | smuffs: afaik the isos are interchangeable |
| 07:31.15 | smuffs | where as the debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso is about 650 mb |
| 07:31.29 | pallgone | smuffs: you have to do the flexible method |
| 07:31.39 | TZug | after selecting an Item in Grub, sometimes my system hangs after the message: "Booting the Kernel." What could it be that the system isn't loading the Kernel as it should? (using: Debian Lenny, System hangs at 1 of 20 bootups) |
| 07:31.49 | jpinx-eeepc | !usb install |
| 07:31.49 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 07:31.54 | jarick | There is, of course http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:31.59 | Techtronic | i have installed from source wine with checkinstall but now apt-get traying to replace...How to keep ? |
| 07:32.31 | streuner | Techtronic: just try to put it on hold |
| 07:32.42 | streuner | Techtronic: /msg dpkg hold |
| 07:33.09 | jpinx-eeepc | smuffs: use dd |
| 07:33.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Techtronic: paste the output of uname -a |
| 07:33.57 | Techtronic | why ? |
| 07:34.17 | Techtronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.56 | jpinx-eeepc | !kernel |
| 07:34.58 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100809, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-git8, mainline 2.6: 2.6.35 , stable 2.6: 2.6.35 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.2 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.7 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.17 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.14 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.49 |
| 07:35.14 | streuner | its in sid |
| 07:35.32 | jarick | prays the rest of the system isn't in sid. |
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| 07:35.47 | streuner | or squeeze |
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| 07:36.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Techtronic: what elease are you using? |
| 07:36.11 | jpinx-eeepc | *release |
| 07:36.19 | Techtronic | Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid |
| 07:36.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Techtronic: which? |
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| 07:38.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Techtronic: it's either sueeze or sid - not both |
| 07:38.23 | Techtronic | upgraded from lenny |
| 07:38.40 | Techtronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.19 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 07:39.20 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
| 07:39.28 | WaterRatj | is there a way to restore default /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 07:39.36 | streuner | backup? |
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| 07:39.41 | streuner | oh |
| 07:39.49 | streuner | WaterRatj: sshd? tricky |
| 07:40.04 | streuner | WaterRatj: just reinstall and purge all config? |
| 07:40.15 | streuner | wait |
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| 07:40.57 | WaterRatj | i wait ^^ |
| 07:41.48 | streuner | WaterRatj: remote server? |
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| 07:43.32 | WaterRatj | i insalled ssh, and try to edit the file but i messed the file up, i tried to close it but it saved the file ö so i need the file back from whe it installed it |
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| 07:44.10 | streuner | WaterRatj: on a remote server or just the client box you are using actually? |
| 07:44.37 | zorrolero | WaterRatj: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 07:44.41 | WaterRatj | i'm on the box itself where i installed ssh |
| 07:44.50 | WaterRatj | its cli install |
| 07:45.46 | streuner | WaterRatj: and that box is right before your knees? |
| 07:46.10 | WaterRatj | okay that reconfigure one did the thing :D thanks |
| 07:46.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Techtronic: output of lsb_release -a ? |
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| 07:47.11 | homecable | does the dhcpd3 list port 68 out side of the box ? |
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| 07:56.23 | WaterRatj | hm /etc/init.d/sshd restart says no such file |
| 07:56.46 | peterrooney | WaterRatj: in worst case scenario, apt-get and aptitude have reinstallation options |
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| 07:57.17 | WaterRatj | thing is its installed and running |
| 07:57.24 | jarick | Techtronic? |
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| 07:58.23 | streuner | WaterRatj: we asked you some questions before |
| 07:58.39 | peterrooney | WaterRatj: did you by chance delete the openssh configuration file before reconfiguring or reinstalling? |
| 07:58.42 | streuner | WaterRatj: why not just answer them first? |
| 07:58.47 | zorrolero | WaterRatj: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 07:59.07 | streuner | zorrolero: scroll up, thats not what he need |
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| 08:00.44 | WaterRatj | streuner: I anwered that i reinstalled the config using dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
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| 08:01.03 | WaterRatj | zorrolero: That worked |
| 08:01.30 | streuner | <WaterRatj> hm /etc/init.d/sshd restart says no such file |
| 08:01.41 | streuner | must be magic then |
| 08:01.54 | zorrolero | streuner: the "d" was too much |
| 08:02.00 | WaterRatj | Thats after your question,after i got it fixed (the config file) |
| 08:02.14 | streuner | zorrolero: yeah, ic |
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| 08:16.05 | WaterRatj | Whats the correct way to find the ip my linux box uses? cause ifconfig gives something like 10....and so on but doesn't seem right |
| 08:16.51 | Finetic | what is a good GNOME PDF reader for debian? |
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| 08:16.52 | lau | may be try ip addr show ? |
| 08:17.04 | lau | <= WaterRatj |
| 08:17.08 | streuner | Finetic: evince |
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| 08:17.17 | lau | Finetic: evince |
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| 08:17.48 | streuner | Finetic: gv isnt bad too |
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| 08:18.30 | Finetic | ok |
| 08:18.46 | peterrooney | WaterRatj: ifconfig does show the ip address, among other things - only thing wrong with its output is your expectation of what the virtual machine's ip address is |
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| 08:19.48 | WaterRatj | peterrooney: Yes, but I want my wan ip shown not local |
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| 08:20.07 | nsadmin | what's the point of that? |
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| 08:20.49 | WaterRatj | so I know to what ip I can connect |
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| 08:21.34 | zomgcar | NGEN |
| 08:22.23 | nsadmin | WaterRatj: what device connects you to the "rest of the internet"? |
| 08:22.46 | WaterRatj | router, but i think its to do something with coLinux, reading on it now |
| 08:23.06 | nsadmin | so, you have a router, that's connected to what? |
| 08:23.15 | nsadmin | (wan side) |
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| 08:24.25 | lau | are the "INIT INFO" at the begining of debian init scripts used to start some services ? |
| 08:24.36 | lau | if in mysql init script I see # Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog mysql-ndb |
| 08:24.49 | lau | is it sort of decorator ? |
| 08:25.06 | nsadmin | it's a decorator that is read/written by something |
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| 08:25.44 | jelly | lau: it is a sort of dependency declaration |
| 08:25.59 | llimeht | !missing lsb tags |
| 08:25.59 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 08:26.47 | jelly | llimeht: they're not missing! |
| 08:27.00 | jarick | jelly: They're just pining for the fjords? |
| 08:27.15 | jelly | just resting |
| 08:27.26 | llimeht | yeah, I know... that factoid is going to get a lot of work in the coming months though |
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| 08:27.47 | jelly | squeezes llimeht's udev |
| 08:27.54 | llimeht | ouch! |
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| 08:29.12 | jelly | !lsb tage |
| 08:29.14 | jelly | !lsb tags |
| 08:29.35 | jelly | dpkg, lsb tags <reply>see missing lsb tags |
| 08:29.35 | dpkg | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:29.52 | jarick | dpkg, lsb tags is <reply>see missing lsb tags |
| 08:29.52 | dpkg | okay, jarick |
| 08:29.55 | themill | jelly: where the verb? |
| 08:29.59 | jelly | ! |
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| 08:30.06 | jarick | !lsb tags |
| 08:30.06 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 08:30.07 | nsadmin | "where" |
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| 08:30.34 | jelly | themill: I saved you n*8 keypresses! |
| 08:30.38 | nsadmin | who wheres the verb in YOUR family? |
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| 08:35.49 | lau | ok jelly , llimeht in my cas I create a second instance of mysql in /etc/mysql2 and /var/lib/mysql2 I am trying to reuse the mysql init script |
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| 08:36.46 | lau | my knowledge about mysql is not enough to see if these LSB run-time dependencies are ok with boot mysql database servers running |
| 08:37.24 | lau | what is the purpose of mysql-ndb ? |
| 08:38.40 | lau | hum, I think I see, I can run several mysqld's talking to the same mysql-ndb |
| 08:38.46 | lau | is that right ? |
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| 08:45.44 | sinsun_ | I got a question. http://localhost/phpBB//install/index.php shows only codes not install page. |
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| 08:46.09 | Sm0ke0ut | yeah.. localhost |
| 08:46.12 | Sm0ke0ut | right ;D |
| 08:46.28 | Sm0ke0ut | We can't open that ;-) |
| 08:46.38 | jarick | sinsun_: dpkg -l | grep php |
| 08:46.52 | sinsun_ | php 5.3.3 |
| 08:47.07 | jarick | sinsun_: Exact output please. |
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| 08:47.24 | utabak | I am trying to change a user name and home directory name accordingly, I read the manual pages however I bit confused, should I add a new user, rename the home directory, then delete the old user, any pointers |
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| 08:48.44 | reni | hi all |
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| 08:48.58 | reni | http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/ is no longer building the netboot.tar.gz |
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| 08:49.10 | reni | some error in http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/build_netboot.log |
| 08:49.19 | alcy | folks, how is using qpsmtpd as a proxy different from using it with a mta's queue ? |
| 08:49.28 | jarick | sinsun_: Last call. |
| 08:49.36 | WaterRatj | How do I delete a user? Cause deluser doesn't work |
| 08:49.45 | sinsun_ | jarick: sorry, I am not debianer. |
| 08:49.51 | jarick | sinsun_: Wrong channel then. |
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| 08:50.10 | jelly | reni: irc typically isn't the right place to report this, but try doing it in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org or asking there about the right place |
| 08:50.18 | reni | jelly: thnx |
| 08:50.19 | jarick | sinsun_: Please consult the distro/package appropriate channel. |
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| 08:50.33 | sinsun_ | jarick: ok |
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| 09:40.01 | WaterRatj | Where can I find a list of repositories? so i can see if their closer to my country? |
| 09:40.26 | jelly | WaterRatj: what country would that be? |
| 09:40.28 | jelly | !mirrors |
| 09:40.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 09:40.39 | WaterRatj | belgium ^^ |
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| 09:43.03 | jelly | be |
| 09:43.23 | jelly | there's a ftp.be.debian.org |
| 09:44.22 | WaterRatj | is there a link on how to change it? |
| 09:44.44 | jelly | !tell WaterRatj about sources.list |
| 09:45.08 | WaterRatj | thnaks |
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| 09:58.54 | lau | what is the purpose of /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and why is there the DO NOT TOUCH recommandation ? |
| 09:59.09 | lau | I am trying to run several instances of mysqld on the same server |
| 09:59.14 | Sm0ke0ut | it checks the database for broken tables on startup of the SQL daemon |
| 09:59.22 | Sm0ke0ut | (and repairs them) |
| 10:00.13 | Sm0ke0ut | and perhaps being used when installing other depending packages which wan't to interact with your SQL server |
| 10:00.43 | lau | ok Sm0ke0ut , I replaced all /etc/myslq by /etc/mysql2 in the /etc/init.d/mysql2 script , /etc/mysql2/my.cnf , /etc/mysql2/debian.cnf |
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| 10:01.46 | Sm0ke0ut | I don't see really the point of running multiple MySQL servers on the same box |
| 10:01.49 | lau | but the startup script is still trying to open /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 10:02.18 | Sm0ke0ut | edit my.cnf |
| 10:02.48 | lau | Sm0ke0ut: it was a solution elected to give root access to mysql server to customer |
| 10:03.09 | lau | yes I edited my.cnf |
| 10:03.10 | jelly | and for $DEITY sake make very sure they're not touching the same data directory |
| 10:03.40 | lau | the second instance of mysqld is running manually through mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql2/my.cnf |
| 10:03.43 | Sm0ke0ut | yeah, that as well |
| 10:03.51 | Sm0ke0ut | please refer the docs on the mysql website |
| 10:03.54 | lau | I am trying to create an init script for that instanc |
| 10:03.56 | lau | +e |
| 10:04.00 | Sm0ke0ut | You need to configure every dir manually |
| 10:04.16 | Sm0ke0ut | to avoid conflicts |
| 10:04.23 | lau | jelly yes it is working with its own /var/lib/mysql2 dir |
| 10:04.44 | lau | but I have trouble creating its own debian init script |
| 10:05.10 | lau | I thought it was apparmor related but since mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql2/my.cnf is ok |
| 10:05.23 | lau | I thought about avahi too |
| 10:05.41 | lau | but even with these two daemons stopped I encounter issues |
| 10:05.55 | lau | I can paste the conf if you want ? |
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| 10:06.53 | jelly | lau: deiban doesn't have apparmor |
| 10:07.29 | lau | jelly: ok |
| 10:07.51 | jelly | (are you sure you're running debian?) |
| 10:08.33 | Dagger2 | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2010-07-31 08:48 /etc/apparmor.d/ |
| 10:08.46 | Dagger2 | ^ seems like a kind of odd directory to have on a system without apparmor... |
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| 10:09.31 | jelly | judd: file /etc/apparmor.d |
| 10:09.31 | lau | jelly: am running debian based (ubuntu) |
| 10:09.35 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 10:09.41 | jelly | lau: ask in #ubuntu, then |
| 10:09.48 | jelly | judd: file /etc/apparmor.d --release sid |
| 10:09.55 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 10:10.12 | jelly | Dagger2: are you sure you're running debian? :-) |
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| 10:12.15 | Dagger2 | ah, it looks like that folder was installed completely by bind9 |
| 10:15.31 | RichiH | is there any way to make openvpn server & client ignore expired certificates? |
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| 10:15.56 | simonrvn | put a new one in? :P |
| 10:16.16 | RichiH | that is the obvious longer-term solution, but i need a working one now |
| 10:16.17 | Dagger2 | bind's profile prevents write access to /etc/bind, and I was having trouble writing zone journal files to there, so I assumed it was working... but of course bind runs as a user without write access to /etc/bind anyway, so it's just me getting confused |
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| 10:17.16 | simonrvn | setting one or both to allow instead of required? but that sorta defeats the purpose.... |
| 10:17.41 | simonrvn | (sorry for the ldap terminology...) |
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| 10:20.28 | hdtdi | what program can i use to open pdf? |
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| 10:22.53 | moldovean | xpdf ? |
| 10:22.56 | SlayerXP | hdtdi: any one of the dozen or so PDF readers debian packages. |
| 10:23.13 | hdtdi | i installed kpdf |
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| 10:33.13 | torpedotux | hdtdi: i use evince. does the job. |
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| 10:37.04 | f00li5h | should mkfs take ~10 hours for 1Tb? |
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| 10:43.04 | Orbixx | What permissions should the MySQL user 'debian-sys-maint' have? |
| 10:43.26 | Sm0ke0ut | default: SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, CREATE, DROP, RELOAD, SHUTDOWN, PROCESS, FILE, REFERENCES, INDEX, ALTER, SHOW DATABASES, SUPER, CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, LOCK TABLES, REPLICATION SLAVE, REPLICATION CLIENT, EXECUTE |
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| 10:45.21 | Orbixx | Sm0ke0ut: Thanks. |
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| 10:52.03 | jelly | f00li5h: depends on the filesystem and the options used |
| 10:52.15 | jelly | f00li5h: but probably not |
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| 10:58.52 | WaterRatj | Anyone a good good on partiants and their sizes? what takes what? |
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| 11:10.46 | chiky_cin | hey. I installed debian-lenny on a server and after a few days, it was giving errors mounting /home and I found out that the device names have been converted to /dev/dm-* from /dev/sd* |
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| 11:11.57 | chiky_cin | and now when it is working, I am dropped to 'sh' and not 'bash'. What do I to change this? And how did it happen automatically? |
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| 11:18.44 | Arrowmaster | chiky_cin: you using lvm or software raid? |
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| 11:18.59 | chiky_cin | Arrowmaster: nothing. |
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| 11:19.27 | chiky_cin | Arrowmaster: I SATA, 1TB. 4 paritions. Thats it. |
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| 11:21.36 | Arrowmaster | chiky_cin: what are things like in your /etc/fstab? |
| 11:22.16 | Arrowmaster | how are partitions specified? using /dev/sd* or /dev/dm-* or using UUID=* ? |
| 11:22.38 | chiky_cin | Arrowmaster: /dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 11:23.14 | Arrowmaster | try changing them to use UUID |
| 11:23.18 | chiky_cin | Arrowmaster: But now when I discovered, they have changed to /dev/dm-*, I changed fstab to include that. |
| 11:23.22 | Arrowmaster | you can find the UUIDs by running blkid |
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| 11:23.50 | chiky_cin | Arrowmaster: okay. So, UUID is the best option? But why would it do this? |
| 11:24.00 | Arrowmaster | i have absolutely no idea |
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| 11:24.48 | chiky_cin | Arrowmaster: Okay. Thanks. :) And do you have any idea, why it would start using 'sh' and not bash when connecting by ssh? |
| 11:25.04 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 11:25.24 | chiky_cin | Arrowmaster: thanks man. :) |
| 11:25.26 | Arrowmaster | you can run chsh to change it |
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| 11:26.07 | axscode | how to make apt-get auto install all dependencies? |
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| 11:30.31 | frikinz | apt-get -y install foobar this answers yes to all questions |
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| 11:31.14 | axscode | when i tried apt-get install XXXXX it's asking for dependencies, its not building the depencies.. |
| 11:31.32 | axscode | i have to apt-get build-dep |
| 11:32.09 | jelly | !wayttd axscode |
| 11:32.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, axscode? |
| 11:32.35 | abrotman | axscode: use a pastebin to show us |
| 11:32.50 | abrotman | axscode: and you might want to use aptitude |
| 11:32.53 | axscode | tryng to isntall sun-java6-jdk, so it gives me list that needs to install but cant install |
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| 11:33.05 | axscode | so i have to build-dep |
| 11:33.17 | abrotman | axscode: so put `aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java6-jdk && cat /etc/apt/sources.list` in a pastebin |
| 11:33.23 | abrotman | all ofit |
| 11:33.50 | axscode | my apt-get install sun-java6-jdk pushes thru already, but i have to issue build-dep |
| 11:34.00 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 11:34.06 | axscode | before installing.. |
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| 11:34.12 | abrotman | okay .. then don't show us the errors |
| 11:34.15 | axscode | ok ill try to use aptitude after this.. have lots to install |
| 11:34.59 | axscode | seems working now |
| 11:35.00 | axscode | hehe |
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| 11:35.20 | axscode | apt-get install apache2 earlier is not like this.. |
| 11:35.21 | frikinz | axscode: build-dep pulls the dependencies to BUILD sun-java6-jdk (from source). Not sure that's what you want |
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| 11:35.35 | abrotman | axscode: apt-get is much dumber about dependencies than aptitude .. aptitude really is a better way to go |
| 11:35.51 | chiky_cin | ah, my user shell in /etc/passwd was /bin/sh. Dont know why. The default shell in adduser.conf is bash only. |
| 11:35.52 | jelly | which debian release is axscode using? |
| 11:36.18 | axscode | ahh much dumber.. |
| 11:36.18 | jelly | ,versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 11:36.19 | judd | sun-java6-jdk -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-4; sid/non-free: 6.21-1 |
| 11:36.24 | axscode | i thought its using the same.. |
| 11:36.39 | axscode | i mean the same routine only that it have a nice gui |
| 11:36.50 | abrotman | !tell axscode about why aptitude |
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| 11:37.18 | axscode | nice |
| 11:37.25 | axscode | thanks dpkg + abrotman |
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| 11:37.36 | abrotman | dpkg: botsnack |
| 11:37.37 | dpkg | aw, gee, abrotman |
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| 11:40.16 | pix| | hi, anyone an idea how I can let slim use both .xinitrc and the files in Xsession.d/ ? |
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| 11:41.25 | ma3x | should i use squeeze or stable in my sources.list? |
| 11:41.31 | ma3x | or lenny? |
| 11:41.38 | themill | ma3x: lenny |
| 11:41.56 | ma3x | why not stable? isn't that the same? |
| 11:42.04 | pix| | lenny=stable |
| 11:42.07 | themill | dpkg: tell ma3x about stable sources.list |
| 11:42.11 | ma3x | stable guarantees that when squeeze becomes stable it will upgrade |
| 11:42.26 | themill | ma3x: no, it's not the same... that pretty much guarantees that you'll end up with a broken box |
| 11:42.40 | ma3x | if you use stable?? |
| 11:42.47 | abrotman | ma3x: you won't know squeeze has released, and you'll start mixing packages |
| 11:42.51 | abrotman | or may not know |
| 11:43.04 | abrotman | ma3x: so the ideal way is to use the codename, and then upgrade when you are ready |
| 11:43.16 | themill | and make sure you read the release notes |
| 11:43.24 | ma3x | ok then i'll use lenny instead of stable |
| 11:43.27 | abrotman | like that'll happen :) |
| 11:43.58 | ma3x | but when is lenny supposed to go away and a new codename for stable? |
| 11:44.07 | abrotman | that will be when squeeze releases |
| 11:44.19 | abrotman | lenny becomes oldstable, and squeeze will become stable |
| 11:45.08 | abrotman | ma3x: haven't you been using debian since like .. etch or sarge? |
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| 11:45.53 | ma3x | yeah thing is i stuck all the time to lenny and then put squeeze in my sources.list and box broke |
| 11:46.05 | abrotman | when you were using etch? |
| 11:46.15 | ma3x | no, lenny was i using |
| 11:46.44 | ma3x | so right now upgrade from lenny to squeeze is not recommended? |
| 11:47.34 | jelly | correct, it will be recommended when squeeze is released |
| 11:47.55 | abrotman | ma3x: there will be more bugs worked out then .. currently there are still some ugly ones |
| 11:47.58 | ma3x | is there an approximate time/week? |
| 11:48.05 | abrotman | ma3x: when it's released, not before |
| 11:48.23 | ma3x | anytime soon or like months maybe? |
| 11:48.33 | abrotman | ma3x: when it's done .. there is no schedule |
| 11:48.44 | jelly | ma3x: 2011 sounds nice. |
| 11:48.46 | pix| | ah slim doesn't use .xinitrc anymore, bye |
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| 11:53.16 | frikinz | how long did it take between lenny freeze and lenny release? |
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| 11:55.34 | frikinz | freeze: 27 July 2008, release 13 July 2009. |
| 11:55.46 | jelly | !lenny freeze |
| 11:55.46 | dpkg | Lenny was frozen from Jul 27th 2008 (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html), "deep freeze" was from Feb 1st 2009 until the release on Feb 14th 2009. |
| 11:55.57 | frikinz | ah ok |
| 11:56.01 | tarzeau_ | !squeeze freeze |
| 11:56.01 | jelly | !etch freeze |
| 11:56.07 | jelly | tarzeau_: please! |
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| 11:58.00 | frikinz | squeeze was frozen 3 days ago. Wikipedia says it will be released in 2010 :p |
| 11:58.43 | jelly | what does wikipedia know! |
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| 11:59.09 | thrashold | I hope Wikipedia is right (although I'd be switching right away if I wasn't using sid) |
| 11:59.26 | jelly | it can't be right |
| 11:59.27 | frikinz | thrashold: no they are wrong. they are based on PLANS. they had plan to freeze in marche |
| 11:59.31 | frikinz | march |
| 11:59.50 | tarzeau_ | thrashold: so do i, however in a company you can't really manage hundreds of workstations running sid |
| 11:59.59 | jelly | thrashold: Debian has no fixed dats for releases. |
| 12:00.06 | jelly | dates either |
| 12:00.07 | abrotman | frikinz: there were some other issues that went into that .. it shouldn't have been ay ear |
| 12:00.09 | thrashold | Hey, 2010 has 5 months, people can close all bugs in that time! |
| 12:00.32 | frikinz | if you are in a hurry, help closing the bugs.. |
| 12:00.32 | tarzeau_ | thrashold: it's only about rc bugs for squeeze: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 12:00.40 | abrotman | frikinz: that information is horribly outdated |
| 12:00.51 | tarzeau_ | and if you're bored, check the latest bugs and bug updates at: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bts/ |
| 12:01.17 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 12:01.25 | abrotman | tarzeau_: there are tons of sites .. why do you have your own site? |
| 12:01.34 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: not one like that? |
| 12:01.40 | abrotman | which isn't useful |
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| 12:01.45 | jelly | because turnzimmer sux! |
| 12:02.13 | abrotman | are you kidding me .. tarzeau_'s site is so slow that squeeze will release before it finishes loading |
| 12:02.32 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: phahahahaha, you're internet is slow maybe, or your browser sucks |
| 12:02.38 | abrotman | or your site sucks |
| 12:02.42 | abrotman | just use the actual stuff |
| 12:02.43 | jelly | tarzeau_: no, it's really slow |
| 12:03.00 | tarzeau_ | jelly: yes i know, because it processes quite some files in real time for every request |
| 12:03.06 | jelly | tarzeau_: like you're not caching data behind but looking up every time |
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| 12:03.24 | abrotman | yes .. it's slow .. don't blame my browser/internet when your site is a pile of crap |
| 12:03.28 | tarzeau_ | jelly: it's running on gnu/kfreebsd. the filesystem is supposed to cache data |
| 12:03.48 | jelly | tarzeau_: but does the app go query bts every time or not |
| 12:03.53 | thrashold | I don't think that's what he meant. But what filesystem is that? |
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| 12:04.11 | tarzeau_ | jelly: it's making a mirror of the bts (about 30 gb) and keeping it synced, then processing the files there |
| 12:04.23 | abrotman | dumb |
| 12:04.24 | tarzeau_ | jelly: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bts/index.txt |
| 12:04.28 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: send patches |
| 12:04.33 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 12:04.33 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html and http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 12:04.40 | abrotman | tarzeau_: not to your site .. i'd send them to the actual stuff |
| 12:05.14 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: the bts news is the latest bugs, rc or not doesn't matter... one can use it as a rss feed |
| 12:05.23 | jelly | heh, date -d "15 February 2011" |
| 12:05.24 | abrotman | a) it's slow b) it's ugly c) why would i give a shit about ubuntu |
| 12:06.11 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: about b) there's the "different CSS link on top" |
| 12:06.39 | frikinz | but the colors are nice |
| 12:06.47 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: c) you know that washing powder sold under different names gets a bigger market share? |
| 12:06.54 | abrotman | tarzeau_: try #ubuntu |
| 12:07.07 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: try /whois i'm already there as well |
| 12:07.19 | abrotman | tarzeau_: i can't see that, i'm not there |
| 12:07.28 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: then /wii will tell |
| 12:07.51 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: unfortunately debian support for new hardware in stable is so bad, that it just won't work on newly built hardware |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | tarzeau_: no, it does NOT .. i don't share that channel with you, it won't tell me |
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| 12:08.07 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: that was the reason why my workplace was forced to also roll out ubuntu next to debian |
| 12:08.20 | abrotman | tarzeau_: oh well, ubuntu is offtopic here. Have fun! |
| 12:08.24 | doudou1 | seems you are real asshole abrotman, you banned me forever? all must know that some ppl here are working for something different that what you could imagine. You must know they are not your friends, they follow their private path. be careful giving your energy to such people |
| 12:08.33 | jelly | abrotman: srsly, you started mentioning it |
| 12:08.39 | abrotman | doudou1: you really hold a grudge :) |
| 12:09.00 | abrotman | jelly: it's his page that he mentioned here, i didn't start it |
| 12:09.18 | jelly | abrotman: yes, you did. that mention is just a different CSS. |
| 12:09.21 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: debian qa and pts tracking mentions ubuntu too |
| 12:09.32 | abrotman | tarzeau_: i'll file bugs immediately |
| 12:09.45 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: file patches instead |
| 12:09.50 | jelly | abrotman: don't be a tard just because you don't like tarzeau_'s /bin/sh cgis |
| 12:09.57 | doudou1 | i consider what you said, learn your material, it is stupid, my memory is not a trash. You want to mask your stupid work making beleive me it is my fault |
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| 12:10.40 | abrotman | jelly: there are tons of pages that list RC stats, why can't tarzeau_ work with those people to improve those pages .. He does this all the time |
| 12:11.11 | jelly | abrotman: it's obviously a quick hack |
| 12:11.24 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: because as i told you it's not only RC stats, it's stats on a BTS mirror, which there are no pages of. besides i link to the relevant pages that you are thinking about |
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| 12:11.41 | abrotman | Put it on release.debian.org .. help the pages where people go to find that kind of information .. Not tarzeau's secret hidden site |
| 12:12.01 | abrotman | help the project if you're that interested .. don't hide it away |
| 12:12.03 | tarzeau_ | abrotman: it's not hidden, it's linked at the bugstats page too which is linked to from the qa pages |
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| 12:18.17 | richard14 | why did you ban doudou? we cant complain here? do you have a link about that? |
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| 12:19.14 | abrotman | alomst |
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| 12:21.12 | ma3x | any idea why kde gets stuck at initializing system services? i get some i965 dri error |
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| 12:22.16 | thrashold | ma3x: You might pastebin the error, although it's probably unrelated. Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? Considered using Gnome instead? |
| 12:22.31 | thrashold | ma3x: Which KDE is that, which Debian release? |
| 12:23.08 | ma3x | shit /etc/debian_version shows squeeze/sid |
| 12:23.13 | ma3x | i thought i installed lenny |
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| 12:23.46 | thrashold | Apparently you didn't. What does /etc/apt/sources.list say, though? |
| 12:24.15 | ma3x | lenny now, maybe stable before |
| 12:24.27 | thrashold | OK, which KDE version? |
| 12:24.45 | ma3x | 5.48 |
| 12:25.04 | ma3x | 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1 |
| 12:25.06 | ma3x | that's more like it |
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| 12:25.21 | thrashold | Strange, lenny should have 3.5.10 |
| 12:25.35 | ma3x | so should i reinstall again with lenny? |
| 12:25.50 | thrashold | Maybe, I'm not sure how that debian_version appeared, though |
| 12:25.54 | ma3x | i thought i installed lenny |
| 12:25.58 | ma3x | what's 5.0.5 lenny? |
| 12:26.07 | thrashold | dpkg -l base-files |
| 12:26.08 | dpkg | ii base-files 3.4-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 12:26.22 | ma3x | 5.8 showing here |
| 12:26.49 | thrashold | That came from squeeze |
| 12:27.06 | zobel | bzed: look 3 lines above. |
| 12:27.23 | thrashold | ma3x: Using backports, apt pinning or anything? |
| 12:27.37 | ma3x | no |
| 12:27.39 | thrashold | ma3x: Also, you lenny doesn't appear to be up-to-date, because I think that KDE is old for lenny |
| 12:27.49 | bzed | dpkg -l zobel |
| 12:27.49 | dpkg | ii zobel 2.1-5.1 bzed's private gamp collection |
| 12:27.50 | thrashold | ma3x: How did you install it? |
| 12:28.03 | ma3x | with some image from unetbootin |
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| 12:28.18 | Arrowmaster | maybe thats why |
| 12:28.20 | ma3x | and then file:/ with 5.0.5kde.iso |
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| 12:28.39 | thrashold | Consider using an official image |
| 12:28.57 | zobel | hits bzed |
| 12:28.58 | ma3x | 5.0.5 is not an official image? |
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| 12:29.28 | jamesmacleod | hey guys I am trying to setup a mysql cluster and I am having issues with Could not acquire global schema lock |
| 12:29.31 | Arrowmaster | md5sum the iso |
| 12:29.58 | jamesmacleod | I have tracked down that this may be something to do with selinux. Where can I find whether this is on or not on the default debian install? |
| 12:30.17 | Arrowmaster | selinux is not enabled by default |
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| 12:30.57 | jamesmacleod | ok, just so I can check it off the list where would I look to see whether its enabled or not |
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| 12:38.52 | bartzy | Hi, |
| 12:39.23 | bartzy | Would you recommend using squeeze for servers, now that it's gone to a code freeze ? |
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| 12:39.54 | bartzy | I'm just asking for opinions, not absolute answers. |
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| 12:40.38 | Wyzard | bartzy: Just being frozen doesn't automatically make it release-quality |
| 12:41.06 | bartzy | OK, so you don't recommend it ? |
| 12:41.16 | Wyzard | depends on how important the server is |
| 12:41.32 | bartzy | Does squeeze has a long way to go to become stable , security wise ? |
| 12:41.33 | Wyzard | At this point it's about the same level of risk as before it was frozen, since the freeze is so recent |
| 12:41.54 | bartzy | Yeah, but upgrading will not kill me :) |
| 12:42.18 | bartzy | well, it's a web + mysql server that I definitely don't want offline. |
| 12:42.21 | Wyzard | You can keep an eye on the RC bug count at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 12:42.28 | abrotman | bartzy: is it internal? |
| 12:42.37 | bartzy | abrotman, no. |
| 12:42.41 | abrotman | bartzy: then, hell no |
| 12:42.55 | bartzy | abrotman , can you share your reasons for this question & answer ? :) |
| 12:44.01 | Wyzard | testing is the last to get security updates |
| 12:44.05 | Wyzard | vs. stable and unstable |
| 12:44.12 | bartzy | really ? Why is that ? |
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| 12:44.38 | Wyzard | because it generally only gets packages that propagate from unstable after a delay |
| 12:44.55 | Wyzard | whereas stable releases get direct updates from the security team |
| 12:44.59 | bartzy | and stable gets them first ? |
| 12:45.05 | bartzy | abrotman ...? |
| 12:45.10 | rgr | not all no |
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| 12:45.22 | bartzy | Yeah, but why does it matter if the server is internal or not ? |
| 12:45.34 | abrotman | bartzy: there is no real security repo for squeeze yet, it exists, but it's mostly empty |
| 12:45.52 | Wyzard | A server that's exposed to the Internet is at greater risk security-wise than one that's only accessible internally |
| 12:45.55 | bartzy | and that means what ..? I'm sorry I'm such a newbie.. |
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| 12:46.18 | bartzy | Wyzard, of course, but internal servers should get optimal security as well... |
| 12:46.21 | abrotman | bartzy: imagine if you had a beta of windows that had no security patches .. would you use it on the internet for people to access |
| 12:46.30 | rgr | bartzy: why should they? |
| 12:46.41 | rgr | (although we all agree it would do no harm) |
| 12:46.41 | abrotman | bartzy: yes, internal is important also .. but your users should be more trustworthy than the internet :) |
| 12:46.52 | bartzy | yeah you are right :) |
| 12:47.09 | bartzy | So squeeze is currently not as secured as lenny ? |
| 12:47.17 | abrotman | !tell bartzy about tracker of doom |
| 12:47.25 | Wyzard | right |
| 12:47.28 | torpedotux | hmm kfreebsd on squeeze :) |
| 12:47.35 | torpedotux | noice |
| 12:48.23 | bartzy | Thanks all for your answers :) |
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| 12:53.41 | tbty | I just made a aptitude safe-upgrade. Some newly packages were installed and 3 packages was removed. How could I check which packages were removed now afterwards? |
| 12:54.11 | Hadaka | tbty: check out /var/log/aptitude |
| 12:54.17 | tbty | thanks |
| 12:54.44 | bartzy | do you recommend using debsecan on a regular basis ? |
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| 12:57.04 | tbty | for how long will the /var/log/aptitude be persisted? until reboot? |
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| 13:03.11 | jelly | tbty: /etc/logrotate.d/aptitude says how often it's rotated and how many copies are kept |
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| 13:09.56 | tbty | thanks |
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| 13:11.14 | ivan-kanis | what package do I need to install to get the mmap man page? |
| 13:11.31 | abrotman | probably manpages-dev |
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| 13:12.05 | ivan-kanis | abrotman: looks good |
| 13:12.48 | ivan-kanis | abrotman: thanx |
| 13:13.02 | abrotman | emjoy! |
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| 13:20.26 | WaterRatj | !swap |
| 13:20.27 | dpkg | from memory, swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM (say, less than 2GB), you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a <swap file> and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Linux |
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| 13:21.13 | WaterRatj | !swap install |
| 13:21.21 | WaterRatj | !swapinstall |
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| 13:27.48 | abrotman | WaterRatj: do you need help ? |
| 13:28.03 | WaterRatj | Trying to find way to assign a swap file |
| 13:28.12 | abrotman | man mkswap ? |
| 13:28.25 | WaterRatj | i already have swap file |
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| 13:29.48 | bezaban | swapon? |
| 13:29.57 | jelly | WaterRatj: swapon /path/to/swapfile |
| 13:30.13 | jelly | WaterRatj: swapon -s to see currently active swap files/partitions |
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| 13:31.05 | iluminator101 | hey guys |
| 13:31.08 | WaterRatj | Thanks |
| 13:31.23 | iluminator101 | is there way I can scan to pdf? |
| 13:32.14 | bezaban | google wielded gscan2pdf |
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| 13:33.38 | iluminator101 | thanks bezaban |
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| 13:37.09 | abrotman | would use a scanner |
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| 13:43.41 | WaterRatj | How do I list all users in cli? |
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| 13:44.06 | gnarface | all logged in users or all users? |
| 13:44.09 | joltcan | WaterRatj: List them how? The ones that are logged in? |
| 13:44.21 | gnarface | all *users* or all "users" (just the humans) |
| 13:44.22 | WaterRatj | List of users acounts on my box |
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| 13:45.35 | gnarface | *generally* you can trust that on a debian system all the users listed in /etc/passwd with a uid of 1000 or greater are real people |
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| 13:45.48 | ma3x | can anyone help me? when i launch kde it says initializing services and it stays there forever. this is my xlog http://pastebin.ca/1913867 |
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| 13:46.17 | WaterRatj | just want a command line cmd to see user accounts? isn't their one build in? ^^ |
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| 13:46.58 | gnarface | hmm. come to think of it it would make sense for there to be, but i'm not sure. the command "users" only shows logged-in users |
| 13:47.04 | gnarface | and /etc/passwd also has system users |
| 13:47.13 | cahoot | awk -F: '$3 > 999 {print $1}' /etc/passwd ? |
| 13:47.18 | gnarface | you could just look at the contents of /home assuming every user has a home directory |
| 13:47.22 | gnarface | but not every user always does |
| 13:47.31 | gnarface | and some people stick non-user accounts in /home even though you're not supposed to |
| 13:47.51 | gnarface | remember's when redhat's web root was in /home/www or something like that |
| 13:48.15 | gnarface | cahoot: nice |
| 13:48.17 | abrotman | WaterRatj: getent passwd |
| 13:48.37 | gnarface | abrotman: thanks! |
| 13:48.48 | abrotman | using /etc/passwd isn't really the correct way unless you know for certain there is no other auth method besides passwd |
| 13:49.14 | slidesinger | If I want to prevent a package from being upgraded automatically, like when doing apt-get upgrade, which tool would I use? |
| 13:49.17 | abrotman | and if you're asking how to find the users, you probably don't :) |
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| 13:49.26 | abrotman | !tell slidesinger about hold |
| 13:50.33 | slidesinger | abrotman: Thanks, that's just what I wanted. |
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| 13:50.52 | gnarface | ma3x: i965_dri.so seems to be missing. i don't know if that could cause it but you might want to try to fix that first. maybe you'e missing the xorg package specific to your video card? |
| 13:51.37 | abrotman | he should just install the xorg meta package |
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| 13:52.42 | gnarface | abrotman: here's what's weird... it's clearly loading the "intel" driver but then it detects he's got an i965 card and fails to find i965_dri.so... shouldn't those be in the same package? |
| 13:52.52 | ma3x | 'xorg' package is installed |
| 13:53.11 | abrotman | gnarface: make sure all his packages are up to date |
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| 13:53.19 | abrotman | ma3x: which version of debian ? |
| 13:53.35 | ma3x | 5.0.5 |
| 13:53.36 | abrotman | dpkg: find i965_dri.so lenny |
| 13:53.38 | ma3x | lenny |
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| 13:53.54 | ma3x | yes i installed the package containing i965_dri but it didn't solve the proble |
| 13:54.35 | ma3x | i wait like forever at that startup screen initializing system services |
| 13:54.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'i965_dri.so' (2): (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so) in libs/libgl1-mesa-dri ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so) in libdevel/libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg. |
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| 13:54.49 | gnarface | ma3x: what do you get when you run this? ls -l /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so |
| 13:54.50 | abrotman | ma3x: do you have libgl1-mesa-dri ? |
| 13:54.56 | ma3x | yes i just installed it |
| 13:55.02 | gnarface | i get: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2973584 Jul 15 05:23 /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so |
| 13:55.06 | ma3x | but it didn't go away |
| 13:55.09 | abrotman | lsattr might be useful too |
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| 13:55.38 | ma3x | lsattr of the file? |
| 13:56.04 | gnarface | couldn't hurt |
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| 13:56.35 | ma3x | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.3M 2008-12-14 06:02 /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so |
| 13:56.49 | gnarface | ma3x: this isn't a virtual machine or anything is it? you're running on the bare hardware right? |
| 13:56.58 | ma3x | no no |
| 13:57.14 | ma3x | hm, so strange never had this problem before |
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| 13:57.21 | cahoot | ambiguus answer |
| 13:57.30 | abrotman | not surprised :) |
| 13:57.35 | ma3x | what? it's a real box |
| 13:57.40 | ma3x | i would have told you if it was vbox or something |
| 13:57.46 | abrotman | you said 'no', it was an either/or question :) |
| 13:58.02 | abrotman | ma3x: lsattr should return all ------ like 12 of them IIRC |
| 13:58.15 | ma3x | yes it returns those empty lines |
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| 13:58.26 | abrotman | can you cat the file ? |
| 13:58.40 | gnarface | well all i know for sure is that i965_dri.so file on sid is 2.9MB not 2.3... so there's definitely been patches.... |
| 13:58.42 | ma3x | yeah, binary stuff |
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| 13:58.55 | abrotman | ma3x: tried uh .. rebooting ? |
| 13:59.03 | ma3x | nope |
| 13:59.06 | ma3x | i will give it a try |
| 13:59.08 | abrotman | it's possible it's a kernel related issue when loading DRM |
| 13:59.15 | gnarface | i'm not clear how this could interrupt kde though... looks like X doesn't really care. yea try a reboot |
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| 13:59.30 | abrotman | and i have no interest in going through all the steps of unloading the kernel stuff |
| 13:59.39 | ma3x | should i try a newer kernel? |
| 13:59.46 | ma3x | 2.6.26-2-686 currently |
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| 13:59.55 | gnarface | try a reboot first, but that is kindof an old kernel |
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| 14:00.14 | ma3x | that's the highest version in lenny,no? |
| 14:00.45 | craigevil | ma3x: yes thats the current kernel in lenny, but you can get 2.6.32 from backports |
| 14:00.53 | gnarface | there are backports, but try a reboot first - direct rendering video hardware drivers can get kinda whack if you upgrade them (even minor revisions) without a reboot, if the old driver is still memory-resident. |
| 14:01.09 | ma3x | ok rebooting |
| 14:01.22 | craigevil | shouldnt have to reboot just restart X |
| 14:01.57 | gnarface | eh, i've had weird behavior with nvidia stuff |
| 14:02.05 | gnarface | unloading the module even doesn't seem to always work |
| 14:02.11 | gnarface | it leaves something behind- somehow |
| 14:02.27 | gnarface | it might just be badly behaved drivers though |
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| 14:04.26 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 14:04.37 | gnarface | he's not the first person to have this problem with kde http://lists.kde.org/?t=99658639300002&r=1&w=4 |
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| 14:05.43 | ma3x | uhm, works fine now! thumbs up |
| 14:06.03 | gnarface | hah |
| 14:06.06 | gnarface | grats man |
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| 14:06.27 | ma3x | ty |
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| 14:11.20 | ralfgr | howdy! |
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| 14:12.13 | ralfgr | I'm a bit confused |
| 14:12.21 | ralfgr | I've two identical servers |
| 14:12.31 | Dassu | :( why? |
| 14:12.41 | ralfgr | both with 2 sata drives for md0 |
| 14:12.44 | Dassu | Do you have a thing for twins ;) ? |
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| 14:13.02 | ralfgr | and a FC HBA with a infortrend RAID attached |
| 14:13.11 | ralfgr | yeah, I like twins! |
| 14:13.36 | ralfgr | what I don't understand... |
| 14:13.51 | ralfgr | why the devices are detected in different order |
| 14:14.06 | ralfgr | I know that one should use /dev/disk/by... |
| 14:14.27 | jelly | ralfgr: the order is not predefined. Use labels or uuids. |
| 14:14.52 | ralfgr | but I'd like to understand, why the infortrend raid is sdc on the first server an sda on the other |
| 14:15.02 | jelly | ralfgr: which debian release? which hba? |
| 14:15.08 | ralfgr | wiht identical hardware and linux |
| 14:15.12 | ralfgr | lenny |
| 14:15.23 | ralfgr | ISP2432-based |
| 14:15.30 | ralfgr | 2462 AFAIR |
| 14:15.31 | jelly | so, qla2xxx driven |
| 14:15.35 | ralfgr | yep |
| 14:16.07 | ralfgr | no special udev rules yet |
| 14:16.09 | jelly | ralfgr: qlogic-firmware is in place on both machines, I guess? |
| 14:16.28 | ralfgr | ii firmware-qlogic 0.24~bpo50+1 |
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| 14:17.27 | jelly | ralfgr: I'd try: rebuilding initramfs on both and see if that makes any changes. Also, check if qlogic bios has any LUNs enabled for booting |
| 14:17.35 | ralfgr | in both servers the HBAs are placed in the same slot 09:00.0 |
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| 14:17.46 | jelly | but the latter shouldn't affect module loading order |
| 14:17.49 | ralfgr | did already rebuild initram |
| 14:17.56 | jelly | messing with initramfs, however, can |
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| 14:18.22 | jelly | ralfgr: on both machines, after installing qlogic-firmware? |
| 14:18.22 | ralfgr | hm, I did not update initram after installing firmware |
| 14:18.38 | ralfgr | trial and error |
| 14:18.45 | jelly | naturlich |
| 14:18.52 | ralfgr | ;) |
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| 14:21.41 | jelly | TBH I'm not sure firmware gets inserted into initramfs at all. But it should be! :-) |
| 14:22.59 | ralfgr | there are at least messages about missing firmwares |
| 14:23.09 | ralfgr | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100 |
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| 14:23.27 | ralfgr | damn no change |
| 14:23.41 | ralfgr | first server |
| 14:23.41 | ralfgr | [0:0:0:0] disk IFT S16F-G1430 373I /dev/sda |
| 14:23.42 | ralfgr | [0:0:0:1] enclosu IFT S16F-G1430 373I - |
| 14:23.53 | ralfgr | second |
| 14:23.54 | ralfgr | [0:0:0:0] disk ATA WDC WD1500HLFS-0 04.0 /dev/sda |
| 14:23.54 | ralfgr | [1:0:0:0] disk ATA WDC WD1500HLFS-0 04.0 /dev/sdb |
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| 14:24.00 | ralfgr | [6:0:0:0] disk IFT S16F-G1430 373I /dev/sdc |
| 14:24.00 | ralfgr | [6:0:0:1] enclosu IFT S16F-G1430 373I - |
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| 14:25.20 | FabParma | I'd like to install Debian maintaining win7 and fedora. do you think that grub can handle automatically all this oses? |
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| 14:26.29 | ralfgr | jelly: I've already added qla2xxx to /etc/modules and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 14:26.35 | abrotman | FabParma: you'll have to choose one OS to manage the two linux systems |
| 14:26.47 | abrotman | ma3x: glad to hear it |
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| 14:29.50 | SlayerXP | ralfgr: excuse whilst I point and laugh at your shoddy Infortrend storage kit |
| 14:29.52 | dockimble | i've got a problem with an apple ibook g3 with the airport - it wont connect to WEP, i think because it has a 104 bit WEP, while the networks I need to connect to use 128 bit |
| 14:29.56 | SlayerXP | excuse me, I mean |
| 14:29.58 | dockimble | how can this be dealt with |
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| 14:30.22 | SlayerXP | ralfgr: you're welcome to point and laugh at mine, too :( |
| 14:30.38 | Trashi | hi guys. .. im looking for the tcpserver in debian (lenny) but i cant find? the find command couldnt help also |
| 14:30.38 | gnarface | dockimble: probably with an upgraded firmware package, if at all. what wireless card is it exactly? |
| 14:30.51 | abrotman | watches carefully! :) |
| 14:31.01 | jelly | SlayerXP: mine works! |
| 14:31.36 | gnarface | dockimble: fyi #debianppc is where the people hang out who shoehorn debian into old macs, btw |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 12345 |
| 14:31.43 | karlpinc | !tell Trashi about apt-file |
| 14:31.48 | abrotman | waits |
| 14:32.01 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 123450 |
| 14:32.03 | karlpinc | !tell Trashi about apt-file |
| 14:32.05 | dpkg | DONE:#123450:N[kernel] kernel: 3c575 pcmcia stalls under net load (moreinfo); Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:03:03 UTC [] |
| 14:32.10 | Trashi | lol |
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| 14:32.19 | jelly | judd: bug 123450 |
| 14:32.21 | karlpinc | Humm. dpkg does not want to talk to me. |
| 14:32.31 | dockimble | apple airport |
| 14:32.33 | dockimble | most basic |
| 14:32.48 | gnarface | there were many of those |
| 14:32.50 | dockimble | oh and gnarface, thanks soo much for your help before\ |
| 14:32.54 | gnarface | np man |
| 14:32.59 | dockimble | everything except this WEP is working |
| 14:33.04 | dockimble | WPA included |
| 14:33.05 | gnarface | dockimble: what does lspci say about the card? |
| 14:33.09 | dockimble | 1 min |
| 14:33.10 | SlayerXP | jelly: infortrend stuff works right up to the point where the cvhassis inexplicably locks up and needs rebooting, leaving your clustered filesystem in a very unhappy state |
| 14:33.33 | nickaugust | morning guys. ok im trying to get wirless networking on my laptop so I installed the ath_pci module (MadWifi driver that was removed from Debian per bug 519446) because the recomended ath5k doesnt appear to support my card (Atheros AR5418). the router is using WPA2 so I installed wpa_supplicant and setup /etc/network/interfaces as per http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse. now when I run ifconfig I |
| 14:33.35 | nickaugust | see that two new interfaces were installed, ath0 and wifi0. when I run "ifup ath0" I get the error "wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801" and then a bucnh of "DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7" then "No DHCPOFFERS received". any ideas whats going on here? |
| 14:33.37 | Trashi | karlpinc: well, maybe you could explain without? ;) |
| 14:33.51 | dockimble | hmm |
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| 14:34.01 | dockimble | it doesn't say anything specific about it |
| 14:34.03 | jelly | SlayerXP: mine didn't lock up "inexplicably", I found a bug. :-) |
| 14:34.12 | karlpinc | Trashi: Install apt-file and use it to find the package containing the file you want. |
| 14:34.29 | gnarface | nickaugust: you might need a newer ath5k driver, one that comes with a newer kernel. what kernel version are you using? |
| 14:34.31 | jelly | SlayerXP: it was "don't leave a telnet session running because software will crash" |
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| 14:34.58 | gnarface | dockimble: paste the line about it |
| 14:34.59 | nickaugust | gnarface: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:35.02 | SlayerXP | jelly: mine lock up inexplicable. oh, and all your drives stop being recognised when you upgrade the firmware |
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| 14:35.19 | jelly | SlayerXP: that didn't happen for me either |
| 14:35.31 | SlayerXP | this is because the latest firmware need a particular jumper setting on each disk that previous versions didn't check properly |
| 14:35.36 | nickaugust | gnarface: can i find that on backports? |
| 14:35.38 | themill | mhanor: stop ircing as root |
| 14:35.41 | gnarface | nickaugust: debian lenny then? you might want to try the backport of kernel 2.6.32 - i think i saw someone having the same problem last week with an ath5k card |
| 14:35.56 | SlayerXP | meaning i got to unscrew and remove said jumper on about 400 drives. |
| 14:36.03 | nickaugust | gnarface: ok sweet man i'll try that. thanks! |
| 14:36.05 | jelly | SlayerXP: and debian's qlogic and scsi driver default options and quite suboptimal; the thing can reboot under two minutes but the host OS never recovers properly |
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| 14:36.26 | FabParma | abrotman: in few words it is not possible? |
| 14:36.36 | SlayerXP | jelly: issuing a LIP should work, we do that quite a lot |
| 14:36.40 | jelly | SlayerXP: oh, "nice". I only have one enclosure |
| 14:36.49 | SlayerXP | jelly: i have dozens :) |
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| 14:37.24 | FabParma | abrotman: i am creating me an idea of differences between distros |
| 14:37.26 | dockimble | apple computer UniNorth/Pangea GMAC |
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| 14:38.31 | abrotman | FabParma: moment |
| 14:38.42 | SlayerXP | jelly: i think we're up to about a P of diskspace now |
| 14:38.44 | FabParma | ok |
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| 14:42.02 | FabParma | abrotman: i have to reboot. im here later. see you |
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| 14:43.13 | mhanor | hello... how can I make debian re-read the /etc/resolv.conf file after editing it? |
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| 14:43.34 | thewanderer1 | mhanor: it re-reads it immediately as far as I know |
| 14:43.47 | lxsys | my networking isn't working, and i have no ideas why. i need sone help trying to find out why it isnt working, and then help to make it work. thanks. |
| 14:43.56 | billy_ | Hi all |
| 14:44.13 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: networking at which level? what protocols are you trying to use? |
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| 14:45.15 | lxsys | thewanderer1: um, TCP/IPv4 i assume. nobody would hit me if i said "the internet" would they? |
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| 14:45.53 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: alright, so what are the symptoms? which action/program error indicates that the networking is not working? |
| 14:45.55 | mhanor | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 14:46.08 | thewanderer1 | notices the funny similarity between networking and notworking |
| 14:46.25 | billy_ | Can I ask a stupid question ? :) |
| 14:46.26 | lxsys | thewanderer1: um, not being able to ping the router, no IP addresses given. |
| 14:46.31 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:46.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:46.41 | billy_ | jelly: thank you ! |
| 14:47.05 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: so is your problem that you don't have IP addresses on your machine(s)? |
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| 14:47.21 | billy_ | I have an new laptop and I see that the new debian sqeeze will have the linux kernel 2.6.32. |
| 14:47.54 | billy_ | the TRIM implementation is only in 2.6.34 kernel... |
| 14:48.17 | lxsys | thewanderer1: yes, but running "sudo dhclient eth0" doesn,t work as expected, it just sits there for ages and doesn't seem to be doing anything "packetish". |
| 14:48.38 | thewanderer1 | billy_: it is possible to install newer kernels (from unstable) on squeeze, or compile them from sources |
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| 14:48.45 | billy_ | my laptop have a SSD, so my question is: in lenny, does the kernel stands to 2.6.24 ? |
| 14:49.01 | thewanderer1 | billy_: you can run lenny with 2.6.34 kernel |
| 14:49.19 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: are you physically near the machine so that you can observe the hardware? |
| 14:49.21 | billy_ | it is not too dangerous (unstability ?) |
| 14:49.30 | billy_ | is it* |
| 14:49.34 | jelly | billy_: kernels may be upgraded in Debian without affecting the userspace parts of the distro |
| 14:49.49 | thewanderer1 | billy_: 2.6.34 is pretty fine, not like 2.6.35 which breaks more often |
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| 14:50.34 | lxsys | thewanderer1: yes, i an next to the router and the laptop. |
| 14:50.43 | jelly | billy_: you'll still have to find a filesysmte exploiting the TRIM feature |
| 14:51.01 | billy_ | in the case where i install debain squeeze, how do I do ? I download 2.6.34 kernel from packages.debian.com and i install them or can I install them from sources ?` |
| 14:51.04 | thewanderer1 | I've heard that ext4 supports TRIM, doesn't it? |
| 14:51.14 | dockimble | ok, soo about the airport |
| 14:51.22 | gnarface | dockimble: not sure. |
| 14:51.26 | dockimble | how do it get it to speak 128bit wep |
| 14:51.40 | gnarface | it may just not. for what it's worth, you should only use wpa really |
| 14:51.42 | nickaugust | gnarface: in "aptitude -t lenny-backports search" what do i search for to find the kernal backport? i see kernel-package... linux-kernel-headers.. but nothing specific to 2.6.32 |
| 14:51.56 | dockimble | yeah, but here in madrid everyone uses WEP |
| 14:52.08 | jelly | so, free internet! |
| 14:52.10 | billy_ | in lenny backports... |
| 14:52.11 | nickaugust | dockimble: well thats silly :) |
| 14:52.17 | billy_ | thank you nickaugust |
| 14:52.33 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: what kind of physical connection do you run? wireless 2.4GHz or twisted-pair cables? |
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| 14:53.00 | abrotman | wireless is physical? |
| 14:53.05 | gnarface | dockimble: someone on the ubuntu forums mentioned moving /lib/firmware/agere_sta_fw.bin out of the way and then rebooting, but it's unclear to me whether that's a good idea or not, and it's also unclear to me whether or not they just gave up and went with wpa |
| 14:53.09 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: yes, wireless is physical. |
| 14:53.12 | thewanderer1 | layer 1, that is. |
| 14:53.14 | lxsys | thewanderer: twisted pair CAT5e and RTL8187 network pcmcia card |
| 14:53.39 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: okay, are the connectivity LEDs (usually green) on, at both sides of the connection? |
| 14:54.02 | gnarface | dockimble: http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1472613&page=2 they may not even be using the same wireless card though. they appear to be talking about orinoco-based hardware |
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| 14:54.31 | billy_ | I have an other question: if I install Squeeze and if I stay only in stable sources, will the kernel update regulary or will it update on the next release of debian in approx one year ? (sorry for my poor english, i'm french :)) |
| 14:54.33 | lxsys | thewanderer1: both LED's are lit green. |
| 14:54.34 | gnarface | dockimble: you may want to try asking in #debianppc - it's low traffic though so you'll likely have to wait a long time for a response |
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| 14:55.14 | gnarface | nickaugust: i think it's named linux-image-[something] |
| 14:55.23 | thewanderer1 | billy_: the kernel is a part of stable, so it'll only upgrade when stable is upgraded and you tell it to upgrade with the distro, unless you pull it from some other source like backports |
| 14:55.39 | nickaugust | gnarface: ah, here we go. thanks! |
| 14:56.04 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: do the LEDs flash when you issue dhclient? |
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| 14:56.16 | billy_ | thewanderer1: ok, so if I have understood, now in lenny, the kernel is the 2.6.31 version ? |
| 14:56.30 | thewanderer1 | billy_: in lenny, kernel is 2.6.26 |
| 14:56.35 | billy_ | in the stable branch ? |
| 14:56.39 | billy_ | ah, ok |
| 14:56.49 | billy_ | it is what I thought |
| 14:56.59 | thewanderer1 | there is no 1:1 mapping of minor kernel version numbers to Debian releases |
| 14:57.08 | lxsys | thewanderer1: the LEDS do not flash. |
| 14:57.30 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: okay, what does `dmesg | grep eth` say? pastebin it or interpret on your own |
| 14:58.03 | nickaugust | should i install the "4GB+" bigmem version in my laptop with 4GB of ram? |
| 14:58.33 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust: no |
| 14:58.37 | billy_ | thewanderer1: sorry to overload you of silly questions, ou seems a little busy with others but how do you judge a backport kernel enought stable to use it ? |
| 14:58.42 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: ok thanks |
| 14:58.51 | lxsys | thewanderer1: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 14:59.21 | thewanderer1 | billy_: if it doesn't break on the first day, it's fine - backports packages are tested, too - it's not like we put garbage in there |
| 14:59.33 | billy_ | :D |
| 14:59.44 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: any more messages? look for "link not ready" or pastebin the whole dmesg |
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| 15:00.16 | billy_ | ok ! thank you very much thewanderer1 and thanks to all |
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| 15:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there some software in debian that lets you record and play back mouse movements via vnc? |
| 15:00.51 | lxsys | thewanderer1: there was a few link not ready messages too. I would like to pastebin the dmesg but i have no connectivity |
| 15:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see any |
| 15:01.41 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: oh, I see. it's generally strange that the LED is on, even - what Debian release and kernel version are you running? |
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| 15:02.42 | lxsys | thewanderer1: i suspect an IRQ conflict now. i'm running lenny with 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 15:03.13 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: well, if you get loads of mad messages about IRQ conflicts, that would be it :P |
| 15:03.33 | thewanderer1 | doesn't the laptop have a built-in ethernet card? |
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| 15:03.49 | themill | ,info recordmydesktop |
| 15:03.51 | judd | recordmydesktop (graphics, optional): Captures audio-video data of a Linux desktop session. Version: 0.3.7.3-1; Size: 51.0k; Installed: 108k; Homepage: http://recordmydesktop.iovar.org |
| 15:03.56 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^ there are a couple of others too |
| 15:04.18 | lxsys | thewanderer1: nope. shame it doesnt. if it were any other laptop, i wouldn't have bought it, but it's a toughbook. |
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| 15:04.34 | billy_ | thewanderer1: umm. it is always me, I have again a few question to ask, can I ? |
| 15:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... I saw that last time I searhed, didn't see it now |
| 15:04.55 | thewanderer1 | billy_: just ask in the channel, go on and don't ask me about asking here :P |
| 15:05.03 | jelly | billy_: yes. Stop asking to ask. And don't be sorry. Just go ahead and ask. |
| 15:05.33 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: can you configure IRQs in the BIOS? it could help |
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| 15:05.57 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: I assume you have brought the interface up haven't you? |
| 15:06.15 | FabParma | how to use forcefsck to check only a single disk? i found the option "-M" in fsck man, that for me should be fine but i don't where to put it |
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| 15:06.25 | nickaugust | whats the bpo in the kernal backport package name mean? back port only? |
| 15:06.26 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: are there any visible changes with regard to the state of LEDs when you "ifconfig down eth0" and "ifconfig up eth0"? |
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| 15:07.00 | lxsys | thewanderer1: the conflicting devices are just enable/disable unfortunately but i've had this issue before. i've disabled the internal modem and IRDA to see if the bios assigns them differetn IRQ's |
| 15:07.12 | lxsys | thewanderer1: i'll check |
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| 15:07.33 | dockimble | how do you set up a rt73 usb wifi adaptor? |
| 15:07.51 | billy_ | actually I'm on ubuntu and there is a thing that annoy me, it's useless depandances... like "ubuntu-one-store" when I only want "ubuntu-desktop", or "mail server" when i install "smart-notifier"... is this the same in, hmm for example mint linux ? (some people tells me this is a relatively good distro for hardware support like ubuntu) |
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| 15:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, not what I meant ... I wanted to automate using some graphial program... under windows actually, but I thought there might be someting for linux, too... vnc transmits things via the net... should be easy to capture? or is this thinking too naive? |
| 15:08.46 | thewanderer1 | dockimble: you install a fairly recent kernel (although check if this is required!), install firmware-ralink from non-free, reboot and setup like every other WiFi adaptor |
| 15:08.53 | lxsys | thewanderer1: it gives me unknown host messages |
| 15:09.21 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: alright, my bad, it should be "ifconfig eth0 down" and "ifconfig eth0 up" ... |
| 15:09.29 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: oh -- some sort of macro thing |
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| 15:09.57 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: the solutions that I've seen for that under windows are actually better than the ones I've seen for linux |
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| 15:10.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, doesn't seem to exist... perhaps I just don't understand well enough how vnc works... I would have thought any client would just need to record whatever it sends to the server.... |
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| 15:10.39 | dockimble | what does the setup consist of |
| 15:10.44 | lxsys | thewanderer1: no LED blinking at all, until kernel messages were being printed sayiing about timed out, then link up |
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| 15:11.05 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: alright, if it gives "link up" then try dhclient once again |
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| 15:12.46 | lxsys | thewanderer1: nope, nothing other than kernel messages saying "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" and "eth0L link up, full duplex, lpa 0x45E1" |
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| 15:13.17 | rhalff | what's the current kernel on debian stable ? |
| 15:13.23 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.26 |
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| 15:13.27 | billy_ | actually I'm on ubuntu and there is a thing that annoy me, it's useless depandances... like "ubuntu-one-store" when I only want "ubuntu-desktop", or "mail server" when i install "smart-notifier"... is this the same in, hmm for example mint linux ? (some people tells me this is a relatively good distro for hardware support like ubuntu) |
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| 15:14.22 | thewanderer1 | billy_: ask the mint people... we don't have such things in Debian though |
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| 15:14.55 | billy_ | right, sorry. misplaced topic :) |
| 15:14.59 | rhalff | thewanderer1: you think messages like these can be fixed with a kernel upgrade? http://www.pastebin.org/461968 |
| 15:15.01 | billy_ | so thank you again |
| 15:15.03 | jordanm | !tell billy_ about ubuntu |
| 15:15.04 | billy_ | bye |
| 15:15.06 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: dmesg | grep firmware -- this should tell you whether you need some firmware |
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| 15:15.50 | thewanderer1 | rhalff: most probably yes |
| 15:15.51 | dridde | hi there. i've got a problem with my wifi. the channels 12-14 are missing. i googled around a bit and found some solutions, adding "options cfg80211 ieee80211_regdom=EU" to /etc/modprobe.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/options. but both files don't exist. how can i pass these options to modules in debian? (or is there an other solution for my wifi problem?) |
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| 15:16.26 | jordanm | dridde: you can create files in /etc/modprobe.d/ and they will be read and used |
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| 15:16.29 | thewanderer1 | dridde: just create some file in /etc/modprobe.d/ , call it something.conf (.conf DOES matter) and put yout options in there |
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| 15:16.42 | WaterRatj | Anyone uses proftpd? |
| 15:16.48 | jordanm | .conf does not matter in lenny, but will in future versions |
| 15:16.55 | jordanm | !tell WaterRatj about anyone |
| 15:16.58 | dridde | jordanm, thewanderer1 thanks, i'll try that :) |
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| 15:17.25 | WaterRatj | How else can I ask my question... |
| 15:17.44 | lxsys | thewanderer1: looks like a segfault? "WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:222 dev_watchdog+0x8f/0xdc()" then a segfaulty kernel dumpy trace thingy |
| 15:17.47 | thewanderer1 | !ask |
| 15:17.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:17.50 | themill | ,popcon proftpd |
| 15:17.50 | judd | Popcon data for proftpd: inst: 7149, vote: 1832, old: 241, recent: 17, nofiles: 5059 |
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| 15:18.02 | themill | WaterRatj: ^^ well... that many people use it. Was that really your question? |
| 15:18.19 | jelly | 5059 people _used to use_ proftpd! |
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| 15:18.41 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: well it's just a warning, but it means that something is malfunctioning |
| 15:18.46 | WaterRatj | I just wanne know where the config file is located by default cause its not located in /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 15:19.07 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: you should try with a newer kernel and firmware-linux-nonfree installed to see if they rectify the problem |
| 15:19.20 | jelly | WaterRatj: dpkg -L packagename shows you a package contents |
| 15:20.04 | WaterRatj | neither in there |
| 15:20.35 | jelly | WaterRatj: you might not be looking at the right package. dpkg -l proftpd\* |
| 15:21.05 | themill | WaterRatj: /usr/share/doc/proftpd-basic/README.Debian.gz might be a good place to look too |
| 15:21.27 | FabParma | is it possible to insert options in "forcefsck"? |
| 15:22.16 | thewanderer1 | FabParma: why don't you just run fsck like every normal penguin? |
| 15:22.22 | lxsys | thewanderer1: er... how am i meant to do that when I can't get that pc networked |
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| 15:22.45 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: you can carry .deb files around on a pendrive or so |
| 15:23.02 | FabParma | i have my reason |
| 15:23.10 | lxsys | thewanderer1: ok i'll give that a go. |
| 15:23.16 | FabParma | *reasons |
| 15:23.43 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: actually, are you sure that it's an IRQ overlap problem? new kernels can reroute IRQs, but you should check at the POST screen |
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| 15:25.01 | b3lsatar | how to restart my root ? :D |
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| 15:25.27 | lxsys | thewanderer1: no, was just a wild guess. seemed to fix things last time for me. could also be an issue with the 8139too module, that was previously an issue so i've blacklisted that |
| 15:25.36 | jelly | FabParma: more suggestions might be proposed if you explained the situation in more detail |
| 15:25.41 | ziarkaen | b3lsatar, restart? You can use another VTT or start a new shell... |
| 15:26.00 | jelly | FabParma: I mean, you can always grep forcefsck /etc/init.d/* and edit those scripts |
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| 15:26.11 | padhu1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.22 | b3lsatar | root account |
| 15:26.23 | lxsys | thewanderer1: breakthrough,,, lights flash, but totally locked up system, eg cursor NOT flashing. |
| 15:26.23 | jelly | FabParma: or boot a rescue-style livecd and fsck from there |
| 15:26.43 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: if you see lots of flashing lights, it's a kernel panic :P |
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| 15:27.56 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: now that you're rebooting, check the POST screen |
| 15:27.57 | lxsys | thewanderer1: not those lights. lights on the card, but it isn't stopping. sysrq works |
| 15:28.01 | thewanderer1 | hmm |
| 15:28.08 | thewanderer1 | then check dmesg |
| 15:28.12 | b3lsatar | how to restart root account ? |
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| 15:28.24 | thewanderer1 | b3lsatar: your question is invalid |
| 15:28.31 | b3lsatar | why ? |
| 15:28.38 | b3lsatar | i need to rebot my root |
| 15:28.39 | ziarkaen | b3lsatar, you can type 'exit' to logout then relogin. |
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| 15:29.21 | ziarkaen | b3lsatar, you can be logged in on multiple root accounts or no root accounts. you shouldn't really ever have to log out and in again. |
| 15:29.38 | b3lsatar | but i want to restart the system |
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| 15:30.21 | thewanderer1 | b3lsatar: `reboot` |
| 15:30.25 | lxsys | thewanderer1: pc boots ok without the card in... |
| 15:30.46 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: doesn't it boot with the card? you get the error during boot? |
| 15:31.03 | ziarkaen | b3lsatar, read the Arch Beginner's Guide or a book on basic linux usage. |
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| 15:31.35 | FabParma | jelly: I have two HDs. One is 250 GB EXT$, the second one is 1 TB EXT3. When I set "forcefsck" at reboot "fsck" starts and to process the EXT4 it takes 4 seconds, to process the EXT3 takes 40 minutes. In more the HD EXT3 of 1TB it is only for abackup use, so no system changes are made on it. so i' like to start the check onli on EXT4 |
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| 15:31.54 | ziarkaen | b3lsatar, 'reboot' or 'shutdown -h now' or 'halt' will all shut the system down when executed with root permiswsions. |
| 15:31.56 | lxsys | thewanderer1: i've blacklisted 8139cp and laptop locks up at boot when saying "setting the system clock", had to Alt+SysRq REISUB. on next boot, i removed the card and it's booted fine. |
| 15:32.18 | thewanderer1 | FabParma: to prevent your system from checking a filesystem, put "0" in the check column in /etc/fstab |
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| 15:33.00 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: what does POST say? |
| 15:33.07 | patrick-- | Any systemadministrator from the US around? |
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| 15:33.12 | jordanm | FabParma: you can also use tune2fs to set the ext4 to fsck on every mount, so that you do not need /forcefsck |
| 15:33.13 | thewanderer1 | !anyone |
| 15:33.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:33.19 | jordanm | patrick--: hiring? |
| 15:33.30 | patrick-- | seeking vacancy :) |
| 15:33.51 | lxsys | thewanderer1: POST isn't reporting anything unusual. |
| 15:34.03 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: alright - what do the IRQ listings say? |
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| 15:35.15 | lxsys | thewanderer1: serial1 IRQ 3, serial2 disabled, IRDA disabled, modem disabled, cardbus "enabled", sound controller "enabled". stupid bios IMO. |
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| 15:35.52 | thewanderer1 | well I agree :P |
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| 15:35.58 | thewanderer1 | try a newer kernel then |
| 15:36.06 | FabParma | jordanm: to do that i use fstab. I'd like to check sometime when i made more changes or before to make important changes |
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| 15:36.36 | jelly | FabParma: do it manually |
| 15:36.46 | lxsys | thewanderer1: worked yesterday, not today :( - didn't do anything that would have affectes it |
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| 15:37.28 | DebUser7834 | hello |
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| 15:37.40 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: computers are really more probabilistic than definitive, so random errors do happen - try a newer kernel |
| 15:37.49 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it has a workaround for this |
| 15:37.49 | DebUser7834 | can someone help me ? |
| 15:37.58 | thewanderer1 | !tell DebUser7834 about anyone |
| 15:38.00 | jelly | !tell DebUser7834 about ask |
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| 15:38.45 | DebUser7834 | does anyone know how to install debian 5.0.5 to the hard drive? |
| 15:38.54 | DebUser7834 | it is the live cd |
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| 15:39.27 | jelly | DebUser7834: the livecd doesn't have an installer yet. You need the separate, netinst installer image |
| 15:39.31 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell DebUser7834 about install |
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| 15:40.29 | DebUser7834 | then how do i install it without the netinst image? |
| 15:40.50 | DebUser7834 | bye |
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| 15:41.19 | gnarface | DebUser7834: you could also download the full CD image |
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| 15:42.59 | slidesinger | Running testing/squeeze and I'm having trouble with openerp-server. It was working perfectly before the last upgrade. I have submitted a bug report already, and have tried searching the forums and working with the folks in #openobject to get it working again. |
| 15:43.03 | slidesinger | What I am wondering: is there a way to get the previous version from testing back on the machine? Stable is not an option as there is no support for US charts of accounts. |
| 15:43.07 | lxsys | thewanderer1: driver conflicts! i have a DHCP IP address now. |
| 15:43.17 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: huh. what driver was that? |
| 15:43.53 | jelly | DebUser7834: why can't you get and burn the netinst image? |
| 15:44.28 | jelly | oh, they said bye already. |
| 15:44.47 | lxsys | thewanderer1: card is rt8139+, debian tries to load 8139cp to it, doesnlt like it. by blacklisting 8139too , manually modprobing it later and running sudo dhclient eth0 seemed to work |
| 15:45.40 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: lol :P |
| 15:45.57 | thewanderer1 | you could put this on the wiki or so, if it's not already there |
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| 15:46.50 | jelly | lxsys: if 8139too works, you might perhaps blacklist 8139cp, and let debian hopefully work stuff out itself |
| 15:46.53 | lxsys | thewanderer1: i might when I've got the definite procedure to get it to work. these cards seem to be a bit hit-and-miss |
| 15:47.05 | lxsys | jelly: laptop locks up if i blacklist 8139cp |
| 15:47.13 | jelly | lolwut. |
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| 15:47.28 | foetus | hello, i like to connect my debian machine to my server over ssh, the client says 'RSA host key for blabla has changed and you have requested strict checking'..i never have heard about that. there is a key exchange, normally. what should i set in ssh_config, to avoid this? |
| 15:48.18 | lxsys | I've worked it out - laptop wasn't working because it was annoyed with me for running it's battery down to 7% last night! |
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| 15:49.35 | foetus | ahh, at the serverside, maybe..use strict mode.. |
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| 15:49.42 | jelly | foetus: you reinstalled the server and/or reused an ip address from a machine previously known to you ssh client |
| 15:50.01 | jarick | foetus: Or someone compromised the machine. |
| 15:50.07 | foetus | jelly, yes, i did. |
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| 15:50.26 | jelly | foetus: simplest thing to do is to remove the line in known_hosts ssh is complaining about |
| 15:50.33 | jarick | foetus: Simply edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts, and remove the old line. |
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| 15:50.47 | jarick | Checking, of course, that the new key is what you think it is. |
| 15:50.54 | foetus | jelly: no, i have installed lenny, it was etch before. |
| 15:51.21 | jelly | foetus: "no" to what, sorry? |
| 15:51.24 | thewanderer1 | lxsys: huh! battery errors :P |
| 15:51.26 | foetus | jarick: ok. lets have a look. |
| 15:51.59 | thewanderer1 | I have a funny problem too - when I plug in my ethernet cable to e1000e card, it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't :P |
| 15:52.11 | jelly | thewanderer1: find a better cable |
| 15:52.20 | thewanderer1 | jelly: tested with several cables |
| 15:52.40 | jelly | thewanderer1: find a better switch! |
| 15:52.51 | thewanderer1 | jelly: after long uptimes, it's more probable that the connectivity is down than after short laptop uptimes |
| 15:53.08 | thewanderer1 | my kernel says "link is not ready" when it's down |
| 15:53.35 | thewanderer1 | now I connected it and it's up - it seems so random, but once it doesn't work, only a reboot can make it work again, and vice versa |
| 15:53.47 | jelly | thewanderer1: uname -r? |
| 15:53.56 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 |
| 15:53.58 | thewanderer1 | er no |
| 15:54.01 | thewanderer1 | it's my server, lol :P |
| 15:54.11 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.35-rc5 <-- this |
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| 15:54.28 | jelly | thewanderer1: complain to LKML or linux-net |
| 15:54.35 | jelly | that's not a debian kernel |
| 15:54.39 | thewanderer1 | it is |
| 15:54.42 | thewanderer1 | from experimental |
| 15:54.58 | jelly | thewanderer1: that's not a Debian uname -r output |
| 15:55.26 | thewanderer1 | jelly: then I got screwed by ftp.pl.debian.org/debian |
| 15:55.29 | thewanderer1 | (repository) |
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| 15:55.42 | jelly | 2.6.35-rc5-686-bigmem |
| 15:56.05 | thewanderer1 | hmm... |
| 15:56.10 | jelly | that'd be a Debian kernel (there's something after 2.6.35-rc5) |
| 15:56.22 | thewanderer1 | the arch is missing, crap |
| 15:56.40 | foetus | jelly, jarick: ok, solved. i have simply deleted known_hosts file. now it works. :) |
| 15:56.42 | thewanderer1 | I'll better check that with other kernels, making sure they are from the repos |
| 15:57.30 | jelly | foetus: you needn't have deleted it all, now ssh is going to ask you about every remote machine again |
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| 15:58.54 | foetus | jelly: yes, but its ok in this case. thanks for help :) |
| 15:59.01 | thewanderer1 | alright |
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| 15:59.34 | thewanderer1 | [ 2.494067] udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth4 --- what.... |
| 15:59.49 | jordanm | !tell thewanderer1 about 70 |
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| 16:00.13 | foetus | eth4? thats new. |
| 16:00.15 | thewanderer1 | I know, but why would it rename my interface? I've never moved any network cards in here, it's a laptop! |
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| 16:00.41 | jordanm | thewanderer1: no idea, the only time it happened to me is when I get a new board, and moved my PCI cards to the new board |
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| 16:00.49 | jelly | !tell thewanderer1 about 70 |
| 16:00.50 | thewanderer1 | hm |
| 16:01.02 | thewanderer1 | yes, one more time plz |
| 16:01.08 | thewanderer1 | !tell thewanderer about 70 |
| 16:01.08 | jordanm | hehe |
| 16:01.09 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 16:01.23 | thewanderer1 | now I get this: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth4: link is not ready |
| 16:01.39 | jelly | it will become ready on its own time |
| 16:01.47 | jelly | jeez |
| 16:01.49 | thewanderer1 | like when? I've never had it get ready |
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| 16:02.03 | jelly | as if you were never late! |
| 16:02.10 | thewanderer1 | I'll go to the switch and check with another cable |
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| 16:02.39 | foetus | ok, lets sync..now it works.. |
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| 16:02.52 | shylent | thewanderer1: did you manage to get yourself an ipv6-conntrack-enabled openvz kernel? |
| 16:03.13 | shylent | thewanderer1: or have I mistaken you for someone else :P |
| 16:03.23 | thewanderer1 | shylent: no, the maintainers told me that it's an upstream problem and I'm unable to compile myself - I get overloaded by error messages |
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| 16:03.36 | thewanderer1 | I already got rid of one error, but another missing symbol is still there |
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| 16:03.46 | gnusiva | hi all |
| 16:03.49 | thewanderer1 | I tried asking in #openvz but they suspect nothing ;P |
| 16:03.51 | jelly | thewanderer1: also, new upstream kernels often have regressions. See if your card works differently with the standard squeeze kernel |
| 16:03.59 | gnusiva | how to bring my process to foreground http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/2yMS0XCf |
| 16:04.00 | shylent | thewanderer1: that's nasty, luckily I don't *yet* have to make my openvz machines ipv6-iptables capable :/ |
| 16:04.06 | neocortex | hello all! can anyone tell me why i started to receive message on boot: udevd-work[452]: kernel-provided 'uinput' and NAME= 'input/uinput' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name |
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| 16:04.22 | thewanderer1 | jelly: alright, let's see... |
| 16:04.28 | thewanderer1 | the cable is definitely good, tho |
| 16:04.35 | a514 | Hi i d/l testing netinst August 5 |
| 16:05.02 | a514 | The update manager crashs? |
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| 16:05.35 | jelly | a514: update-manager thingy is buggy as hell, use aptitude |
| 16:05.40 | jordanm | a514: make sure your system is fully up to date and check the BTS |
| 16:05.41 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.32+28 is the standard squeeze kernel? |
| 16:05.50 | jelly | thewanderer1: sounds reasonable |
| 16:05.52 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 16:05.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:05.56 | a514 | jelly Thanks |
| 16:06.24 | a514 | jordanm i use a local mirror |
| 16:06.42 | thewanderer1 | alright, I'll use whatever judd said |
| 16:06.47 | thewanderer1 | be right back |
| 16:06.57 | jordanm | a514: alright, so make sure your local mirror is fully in sync |
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| 16:07.40 | a514 | jordanm http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca |
| 16:07.52 | jordanm | a514: why are you linking me to it? |
| 16:07.53 | a514 | I get 700k + |
| 16:08.10 | jordanm | I get that from non-local mirrors... |
| 16:08.41 | a514 | I'm using Empathy + idle irc |
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| 16:09.02 | foetus | btw, its irssi over squid..nice |
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| 16:09.46 | moldovean | hyperutz, salutari ;) |
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| 16:12.40 | thewanderer1 | the card seems to work properly under 2.6.32-5-amd64 across 5 reboots, including 1 cold reboot between try 2 and 3 |
| 16:13.48 | thewanderer1 | this number is not very scientific, let's reboot it a couple more :P |
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| 16:14.02 | foetus | i must accustomize myself to one of the new chinese panels..its hard, believe it.. |
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| 16:14.51 | foetus | these smoothy letters - cruel.. |
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| 16:15.25 | foetus | like a washing machine.. |
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| 16:18.11 | foetus | ok. dry run says.. |
| 16:18.54 | foetus | everything ok. thanks for your help, guys. its workin.:) |
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| 16:21.28 | thewanderer1 | with 2.6.32-5-amd64 the card worked immediately in 8/8 cases; with 2.6.34-1-amd64 I am getting "eth0: link is not ready" and "eth0: Unsupported Speed/Duplex configuration" now - this is trial #4 with this kernel now, the previous 3 went fine |
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| 16:23.45 | a514 | Debian Testing Daily 5 Aug |
| 16:23.54 | thewanderer1 | hates random bugs |
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| 16:24.38 | thewanderer1 | since it broke right now, time to reboot into 2.6.32 |
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| 16:25.16 | foetus | ok. must recover image. till later bye |
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| 16:25.40 | orson | is there a icedove-/thunderbird-3.1.2 deb for amd64 available? |
| 16:25.45 | orson | (sid) |
| 16:25.46 | a514 | How do i change /home/Music to /Music ? |
| 16:25.52 | abrotman | orson: packages.debian.org/icedove |
| 16:26.10 | jordanm | orson: /msg judd versions icedove |
| 16:26.17 | abrotman | orson: and that's not in sid .. it's experimental, and there is a 3.1-1 |
| 16:26.46 | orson | so only ancient buggy versions :( |
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| 16:26.56 | jordanm | a514: you don't want to do that. / should be considered more of a "system" directory. your home directory is where your music likely belongs |
| 16:27.15 | thewanderer1 | alright, so kernel 2.6.34-1-amd64 has a regression |
| 16:27.18 | a514 | jordanm /Music is partition |
| 16:27.23 | jordanm | a514: plus, IIRC, those directories are part of the freedesktop standard and are required to be in your home |
| 16:27.33 | jordanm | a514: well, mount the partition to /home/Music instead |
| 16:27.42 | jordanm | or create a symlink |
| 16:27.44 | thewanderer1 | oh come on, you can change your paths |
| 16:28.06 | jordanm | thewanderer1: gah, your really going to make me look through freedesktop specs! |
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| 16:28.17 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 16:28.23 | thewanderer1 | .config/user-dirs.dirs |
| 16:28.26 | thewanderer1 | set your paths there |
| 16:28.36 | iluminator101 | what the equivalent to 45-libsane.rules in debian squeeze |
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| 16:29.16 | a514 | jordanm how do i symlink /home/music to /music |
| 16:29.56 | moldovean | ln -s /home/music /music |
| 16:30.05 | thewanderer1 | a514: ln -s /music /home/music, but you can also set your paths in .config/user-dirs.dirs I think |
| 16:30.34 | thewanderer1 | ln -s <destination_of_link> <place_of_symlink> |
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| 16:30.48 | iluminator101 | i am trying to get my mfc 7420 scanner to work |
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| 16:31.00 | ralfgr | hm, what do I miss when I don't have /proc/scsi |
| 16:31.02 | ralfgr | ? |
| 16:31.12 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: the rules are there in /lib/udev/rules.d |
| 16:31.22 | ralfgr | after upgrading two server to lenny, proc/scsi is missing |
| 16:31.43 | ralfgr | but all fibre channel devices are there, also the sata system disks |
| 16:31.49 | thewanderer1 | ralfgr: oh look, here on my laptop, /proc/scsi is missing too... perhaps it's deprecated? |
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| 16:32.00 | jordanm | it seems I was wrong, I thought it was defined by $XDG_DATA_DIRS, but that is not the case |
| 16:32.25 | ralfgr | I only noticed it because scsiadd gives me an error |
| 16:32.44 | ralfgr | scsiadd:scsidump():could not open /proc/scsi/scsi (r): No such file or directory |
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| 16:33.27 | a514 | thewanderer1: Thanks alot i found .config |
| 16:33.56 | thewanderer1 | ralfgr: grep CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:35.22 | ralfgr | # CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS is not set |
| 16:35.30 | ralfgr | hm, 2.6.32 bpo kernel |
| 16:35.40 | thewanderer1 | ralfgr: there's your answer - /proc/scsi has been removed from Debian |
| 16:35.46 | thewanderer1 | it is a legacy, obsolete interface. |
| 16:35.53 | thewanderer1 | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SCSI_PROC_FS.html |
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| 16:37.17 | ralfgr | ok, I see |
| 16:37.22 | ralfgr | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 16:38.08 | ralfgr | I have to look how to use scsiadd now (or something else) |
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| 16:42.28 | iluminator101 | thewanderer1, what the difference between 60-libsane-rule and 60-libsane-extras.rules |
| 16:42.31 | slobad2323 | Do I need anything more then disc one to get a system with networking capabilities? |
| 16:43.04 | jordanm | slobad2323: you don't even need that much. most people want the netinst instead |
| 16:43.47 | slobad2323 | Is it just myth that Debian is for your server while ubuntu is for your desktop? (don't shoot the messenger, just thought I should ask people in the know) |
| 16:44.02 | iluminator101 | l am trying install mfc 7420 scanner? |
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| 16:44.57 | jordanm | slobad2323: no, debian is the universal OS, many of us use it for everything from servers to desktops, to routers |
| 16:46.16 | slobad2323 | Jordanm, Do you find you encounter problems with it that other distros (like fedora, ubuntu and opensuse) don't have issues with? |
| 16:46.44 | jordanm | slobad2323: you are trying to compare bleeding-edge OS's to a stable OS |
| 16:47.01 | dondelelcaro | slobad2323: sometimes, but when those come up, they often are addressable via backports |
| 16:47.29 | slobad2323 | jordanm , understood |
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| 16:48.39 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: libsane-extras contains rules for some extra devices apart from the ones handled by libsane.rules |
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| 16:48.51 | slobad2323 | dondelelcaro, does this require a working install in the first place? The trouble I am having on this laptop is that it tells me (after booting from the cd-rom) that it can't find the install disc... It givs me a litst of /dev/* and I have tried all of them but they don't work... which doesn't surprise me - why would the installer now have tried those suggestions? |
| 16:49.13 | dondelelcaro | slobad2323: is this relatively new hardware? |
| 16:49.28 | jordanm | slobad2323: are you attempting to install from a USB stick made with unetbootin? |
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| 16:49.33 | slobad2323 | it's a laptop which is a couple years old |
| 16:49.51 | slobad2323 | jordanm, I am installing from DVD1 from Debian 5 |
| 16:49.57 | dondelelcaro | slobad2323: what type of laptop? is it an external drive? |
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| 16:50.20 | jordanm | didn't read the () close enough |
| 16:50.59 | slobad2323 | internal drive, lenovo n500, |
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| 16:52.51 | jordanm | slobad2323: I am not sure how different, but I have lenovo T500 that does just fine. are you sure there is not really a problem with the disc? |
| 16:53.38 | slobad2323 | jordanm, I have tried more than one media type but I have not tried to install from another drive yet |
| 16:54.01 | slobad2323 | Though I have installed every other distro successfully on this machine |
| 16:54.15 | jordanm | slobad2323: if it boots, I would atleast think that the drive is OK |
| 16:54.21 | pallgone | slobad2323: are you installing the standard environment? |
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| 16:54.40 | jordanm | slobad2323: I really don't think drivers are the issue, but you could try kmuto... to try it |
| 16:54.44 | jordanm | !tell slobad2323 about kmuto |
| 16:55.25 | slobad2323 | pallgone, I have not been able to get that far... It asks me for the location in which I have the install media but it can't find the CD drive |
| 16:56.03 | slobad2323 | I would like to use it as soon as I can but maybe I will have more luck with Debian 6 |
| 16:56.28 | pallgone | well, debian 6 rocks |
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| 16:56.52 | slobad2323 | I will wait until release and then try an install |
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| 16:57.15 | gnarface | slobad2323: that's a really weird issue... it shouldn't have any problem finding the install media on the disk itself. you sure you actually got disk 1 and that it's a good burn? |
| 16:57.21 | slobad2323 | to be honest I have had problems with this laptop on 64 bit bleeding edge distros too. It's just been a nightmare for one reason or another with everything I have tried. |
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| 16:57.56 | slobad2323 | gnarface, I have tried several discs (both DVD 1 and CD 1 to try and eliminate that as an issue |
| 16:57.56 | pallgone | slobad2323: well, you can install it now, why not? I have it everywhere... runs fine |
| 16:58.14 | slobad2323 | pallgone, I will download it not and try |
| 16:58.17 | gnarface | slobad2323: just for the hell of it did you try the netboot installer or the businesscard installer? |
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| 16:58.48 | gnarface | slobad2323: if i were you i'd try the kmuto installer first |
| 16:59.45 | slobad2323 | gnarface, I didn't try net install or kmuto no. |
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| 17:00.16 | slobad2323 | I have to do a runner now - thanks very much for al of your help! Will be back soon enough I'm sure. Thanks again!! |
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| 17:15.45 | dockimble | i have a rt73 usb adaptor - how do i set it up and get it to recognize WEP |
| 17:15.48 | dockimble | 128 bit |
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| 17:17.24 | Dassu | easiest way is to use network-manager or wicd if you have graphical interface. |
| 17:17.32 | gnarface | dockimble: this is different from the built-in one in the g3 mac you were asking about earlier? |
| 17:17.47 | dockimble | yes |
| 17:17.59 | dockimble | i found a usb adaptor |
| 17:18.09 | dockimble | just easier to deal with that, i hope |
| 17:18.49 | gnarface | dockimble: i asked in #debianppc for you about that other adapter - people were saying that the 104-bit thing was just reigonal (for stuff purchased outside of the US when 128-bit was illegal to export) but that it should be fixable with the newer firmware, for whatever that's worth |
| 17:19.05 | gnarface | i think that rt73 usb key also requires firmware, but from a different package |
| 17:19.09 | dockimble | ok, right, how is that done |
| 17:19.16 | gnarface | that i couldn't get an answer on |
| 17:19.28 | gnarface | you should consider hanging out there for a while someone might know |
| 17:19.31 | gnarface | however |
| 17:19.36 | gnarface | the rt73 thing should also work |
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| 17:19.55 | gnarface | check your dmesg log when you plug it in and pastebin the result - chances are you're missing the firmware and it will say so |
| 17:20.27 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: You can alwas leaf throug the wifi stuff that dpkg knows about - /msg dpkg wifi |
| 17:20.38 | gnarface | dockimble: oh, and for the built-in card... maybe there is a driver option? run modinfo [driver name] for whatever wifi driver that thing is using |
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| 17:20.50 | dockimble | eegh |
| 17:21.02 | aPpYe | if I build a squeeze system, will a full-upgrade be required when it finally releases? |
| 17:21.33 | aPpYe | or should it just be regular squeeze by virtue of the update manager? |
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| 17:22.23 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:22.27 | gnarface | aPpYe: i'm not sure but i think that it's just regular squeeze. make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list entries say "squeeze" instead of "testing" |
| 17:22.28 | _joey | easiest way to install minimal debian vmware |
| 17:22.31 | dockimble | no, this wont work with wicd |
| 17:22.32 | _joey | ? |
| 17:22.43 | _joey | image netinstall? |
| 17:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | aPpYe: Regular updates should keep you current through the release. |
| 17:22.52 | aPpYe | gnarface: figured that ... |
| 17:22.57 | jhutchins_lt | aPpYe: You want to have "squeeze" in your source file as opposed to "testing". |
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| 17:23.57 | aPpYe | hm. okay the second part of the question... does the GUI update manager that comes with the default gnome desktop handle upgrades to the next release after that? |
| 17:24.27 | aPpYe | basically, I want this system to "evolve" into a stable system that will stay current with future releases. |
| 17:24.48 | gnarface | aPpYe: i have never used it but i'm going to go out on a limb here and say "hell no, you should learn to use the console tools" |
| 17:25.05 | aPpYe | like, if I were to install a lenny system, will the gui upgrade tool know how/when to upgrade to squeeze when it releases? |
| 17:25.31 | aPpYe | I am adept with console tools, but this is for a friend's machine that is gonna require testing due to hardware constraints. |
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| 17:25.47 | gnarface | dockimble: what does dmesg say after you plug in that usb device? and what does modinfo [driver name] say for the built-in one? |
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| 17:26.02 | aPpYe | and yes, I am prepared to fix the occasional breakage due to a non stable environment. |
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| 17:26.32 | aPpYe | I ask, because same tool in ubuntu does a pretty decent job of migrating to new releases. |
| 17:26.52 | gnarface | aPpYe: it's not the same tool? |
| 17:26.59 | s1kx | Is there a program for debian that creates a number of http(s)-proxies and routes them to specified socks5-proxies? |
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| 17:27.21 | jordanm | aPpYe: one should always read and follow the upgrade guide in the release notes |
| 17:27.32 | jordanm | aPpYe: I disagree with your last statement |
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| 17:29.19 | aPpYe | jordanm: I have watched ubuntu machines go through 2-3 releases with just the gui tool. and I would think that the tool in debian would have less work to do because it is working with much more thoroughly tested software. |
| 17:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | aPpYe, hardware support is in the kernel... stable + a newer kernel should do |
| 17:30.31 | jordanm | aPpYe: 2-3 releases lasts less than length of time as a single debian release. people have boxes running since potatoe and earlier |
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| 17:31.22 | jordanm | I was once part of that community, I saw the constant release/upgrade regressions... |
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| 17:32.01 | gnarface | wanders off in search of a sandwich |
| 17:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | although squeeze hopefully should close in on stable from now on |
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| 17:32.29 | dockimble | ok, every time i try to connect to a network, i get an error(from rt73usb) that states: "error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): SET failed on device wlan0; invalid argument |
| 17:32.36 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: it still looks like it will likely be a two boot proccess though |
| 17:32.44 | aPpYe | CutMeOwnThroat: you know, honestly if someone can point me int he right direction for getting trailers.apple.com to work I would probably be happy with stable for this machine. |
| 17:33.09 | jordanm | thinks that site not working is a "feature" |
| 17:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 17:33.52 | aPpYe | without the machine constantly presenting different media players to the user... and this person is someone who is going to want to use that site a lot. |
| 17:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mplayer plugin? |
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| 17:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | via mozplugger? |
| 17:37.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I deactivated it because videos playing in the browser got on my nerves :) |
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| 17:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mozplugger |
| 17:38.25 | judd | mozplugger -- etch: 1.7.3-6; lenny: 1.10.2-2; sid: 1.14.0-2; squeeze: 1.14.0-2 |
| 17:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | so can't tell if that'd really do it |
| 17:39.12 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: I would have expected it to be something from DMM |
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| 17:39.38 | poisonbit | hi, why $DirCreateMode 0755 in /etc/rsyslog.conf ? respecting owner and group... will I break something if I change to 0750 ? |
| 17:40.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, main! :) |
| 17:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's just a plugin for including pretty much arbitrary players... not a player itself |
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| 17:41.23 | jordanm | poisonbit: I doubt it, but its possible |
| 17:41.37 | LetoPoole | has anybody got indicator-applet working right? |
| 17:41.50 | poisonbit | jordanm, which usage cases could I break ? |
| 17:42.01 | ixra | hello, anyone here that knows where i can get different releases of the ultimate debian database? |
| 17:42.13 | poisonbit | I know that logs should be root:adm in debian, but... rights to "others" ? |
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| 17:43.01 | kitallis | uhm |
| 17:43.02 | kitallis | so |
| 17:43.07 | jordanm | ixra: had you already looked at the udd page on the wiki? |
| 17:43.10 | kitallis | I'm trying to configure locales |
| 17:43.11 | ixra | yes |
| 17:43.13 | kitallis | and I get these http://pastie.org/private/xsvcrl4kwlihgdotymdnw |
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| 17:43.26 | jordanm | poisonbit: well, I thought perhaps something like logwatch, but I believe that runs as root |
| 17:43.26 | ixra | jordanm: apparently, only the latest release is available |
| 17:43.34 | ixra | they say to ask in the debian-qa channel |
| 17:43.40 | ixra | but it only accepts users with invitations |
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| 17:43.49 | ixra | i mean, you need to be invited to join the channel |
| 17:44.53 | jordanm | ixra: your on the wrong server. join irc.oftc.net |
| 17:44.58 | ixra | ah |
| 17:45.00 | ixra | cool |
| 17:45.03 | ixra | thanks jordanm! |
| 17:45.14 | jordanm | ixra: np :) |
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| 17:45.47 | sulphur16 | Hello All, My Xorg.0.log has an entry -- "[drm] failed to load kernel module "i915" because of which I believe 3D acceleration is disabled. What can I do to fix it |
| 17:46.12 | jordanm | sulphur16: what version of debian? |
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| 17:47.13 | kblessinggr | so I'm securing my webserver by switching nginx, php-fpm etc over to run as www-data:www-data and chown/chgrp the web folder to the same user/group. The problem is I have no user other than root, and trying to remember how to create a secondary user for SFTPing into the web folder without it changing the owner/group of any new files I upload/change (ie: so it doesn't screw with nginx/php) |
| 17:48.40 | sulphur16 | jordan: Debian Lenny |
| 17:48.43 | jordanm | kblessinggr: nginx does not run as its own user by default? |
| 17:49.05 | jordanm | sulphur16: i915 is a rather new chip. perhaps the backports kernel as the needed module |
| 17:49.09 | kblessinggr | jordanm: by default it runs as nobody |
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| 17:49.24 | kblessinggr | I had been running it as root, as all the files were owned by root |
| 17:49.31 | kblessinggr | I'm the only user on the server |
| 17:50.22 | sulphur16 | jordan: Does that means the stable repository of Debian doesn't have the needed kernel module |
| 17:50.45 | jordanm | sulphur16: I can't say for sure, but its worth giving backports a try |
| 17:50.49 | jordanm | !tell sulphur16 about bpo |
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| 17:51.52 | jordanm | kblessinggr: I just installed nginx in a VM and it is running under the www-data user |
| 17:51.59 | jordanm | kblessinggr: what version of debian are you using? |
| 17:52.06 | kblessinggr | jordanm: depends if you installed an old version by repo or by source |
| 17:52.19 | kblessinggr | I'm using Debian lenny, I'm using Nginx 0.8.37 via source |
| 17:52.40 | nickaugust | when im editing my /etc/network/interfaces for a WPA2 wirless network in the wpa-psk field i just write the passphrase right? no need to encode it to hex or something weird? |
| 17:52.44 | jordanm | kblessinggr: typically, only debian provided software is supported here. I recommend nginx's upstream channel (if exists) |
| 17:52.58 | kblessinggr | well I'm not seeking support for debian |
| 17:53.08 | kblessinggr | just to create a user account other than root to harden security |
| 17:53.17 | jordanm | kblessinggr: exactly, and this is the debian support channel |
| 17:53.17 | kblessinggr | erm seeking support for nginx I mean |
| 17:53.25 | kblessinggr | I mean i'm not seeking nginx support |
| 17:53.25 | jordanm | kblessinggr: adduser --system |
| 17:53.50 | kblessinggr | --system just causes an error btw |
| 17:54.16 | jordanm | kblessinggr: what error? |
| 17:54.30 | kblessinggr | adduser: Only one or two names allowed. |
| 17:54.33 | kblessinggr | guess --help is what you meant |
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| 17:54.58 | jordanm | kblessinggr: what was the full command you gave? |
| 17:55.06 | kblessinggr | adduser --system |
| 17:55.18 | kblessinggr | I see it now in the help |
| 17:55.21 | jordanm | kblessinggr: atleast open up the manpage and look at the syntax... |
| 17:55.31 | nickaugust | im trying to configure this wpa2 wirless network and i get "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" when i run ifup wlan0... as far as i can tell my network/interfaces file is correct. any ideas? ive upgraded my kernal |
| 17:55.37 | nickaugust | any idea whats wrong? |
| 17:55.40 | kblessinggr | only place --system shows is addgroup |
| 17:56.30 | jordanm | kblessinggr: sure about that? http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=adduser&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+5.0+lenny&format=html&locale=en |
| 17:57.05 | jordanm | kblessinggr: hint: you can search using the "/" key in a pager |
| 17:57.23 | jordanm | kblessinggr: a pager is what a manpage is opened in, often /usr/bin/less |
| 17:57.51 | kblessinggr | ok, I see --system and all that, but not exactly sure what I should be adding as a group and such for the system to the point that the webservers/php can still access files owned by that user |
| 17:58.26 | jordanm | kblessinggr: you should use debian provided software that comes pre-secured, with security updates from the security team |
| 17:59.11 | kblessinggr | jordanm: nginx is outdated in it |
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| 17:59.38 | jordanm | kblessinggr: it lacks some feature that your environment requires? |
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| 18:00.10 | andihit | how do I kill aptitude which hanged up when installing the new gcc? |
| 18:00.10 | kitallis | someone help me with this? http://pastie.org/private/xsvcrl4kwlihgdotymdnw |
| 18:00.16 | kblessinggr | namely modules like uwsgi , a number of pcre style rewrites, try_files, etc etc |
| 18:01.13 | jordanm | kitallis: I have seen you posting this problem all morning. I suggest trying to the mailing list if it seems people here do not know |
| 18:01.32 | jordanm | kitallis: specifically debian-user at lists.debian.org |
| 18:01.32 | kitallis | oic |
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| 18:01.46 | kitallis | well, not all morning, an hour I guess |
| 18:01.48 | kitallis | but ok,. |
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| 18:03.12 | jordanm | kitallis: I see, thought it started earlier on oftc |
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| 18:03.55 | nickaugust | jordanm: are you familiar with setting up a WPA wireless network without using the network-manager? ive edited my /etc/network/interfaces and the correct module is installed and loaded but when I do 'sudo ifup wlan0' i get a wlan0 link is not ready error along with a bunch of DHCPDISCOVER timeouts |
| 18:04.15 | nickaugust | no gnome or window manager on this computer |
| 18:04.30 | jordanm | nickaugust: what does dmesg | tail say after the attempt? disable network-manager while troubleshooting |
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| 18:05.12 | nickaugust | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 18:05.16 | nickaugust | jordanm: ^ |
| 18:05.26 | jordanm | nickaugust: thats it? |
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| 18:05.52 | nickaugust | jordanm: yeah... prefixed by this [ 2070.460802] |
| 18:06.00 | jordanm | nickaugust: are you using iwconfig to associate with the AP (unfortunately I am unfamilar with wpa-supplicant cli)? |
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| 18:06.56 | nickaugust | jordanm: ive tried using 'iwconfig essid <my essid>' like I used to do (with no WPA) and ive also tried setting the wpa-ssid in /etc/network/interfaces ... neither seem to work |
| 18:07.30 | nickaugust | jordanm: can you access the wpa-cli directly? |
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| 18:07.38 | nickaugust | jordanm: do you know what command that is off hand? |
| 18:08.36 | nickaugust | jordanm: ive seen wpa_cli used in genaric linux documentation but that doesnt seem to work on debian |
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| 18:09.50 | jordanm | nickaugust: no, I have always had some kind of interface when connecting to WPA |
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| 18:10.13 | nickaugust | jordanm: hold on... i think the install of wpasupplicant must have gotten buggered up... i think i figured it out... thanks man |
| 18:10.34 | Spec | So, of the three apparently available filesystem integrity checkers (aide, integrit, tripwire), which is the recommended one to use on Debian? |
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| 18:12.32 | cheche | Hi, I have a problem with pidgin and debian 6.0, to connect I have unclick the irc account and click againto connect. has anyone saw the same problem? |
| 18:12.36 | g0tr00t | Can anyone tell me if it's a good idea to update Xorg so it can provide the necessary support for my Intel HD video card? |
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| 18:13.58 | jordanm | g0tr00t: if you do, you should be upgrading to next release. If it is mostly-working, I would not |
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| 18:14.37 | g0tr00t | jordanm, when is the next release coming out? |
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| 18:15.13 | foetus | same question..:) |
| 18:15.45 | g0tr00t | Because according to the main www.debian.org site, 5.0 is current and that's what I'm using |
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| 18:16.35 | cheche | when the green line goes to 0 onthis graphic: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 18:16.44 | jordanm | g0tr00t: the next release will likely occur late this year or early next year. You can upgrade earlier, but it is probably a bumpy road |
| 18:17.17 | g0tr00t | i.e. Unstable |
| 18:17.37 | jordanm | g0tr00t: not unstable, testing. there is a difference in debian |
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| 18:17.38 | g0tr00t | Yeah no ty, I've had trouble getting my video card to work at the native pixel |
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| 18:18.05 | g0tr00t | jordanm, unless it's 'stable' in my book it sounds like something I don't want |
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| 18:18.23 | g0tr00t | I'll just have to wait and upgrade when the new one comes out |
| 18:18.37 | cheche | g0tr00t: well, you get benefict from the upgrade... |
| 18:19.00 | cheche | like using newer software.. which is good |
| 18:19.35 | g0tr00t | Is Xorg updated in this one? |
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| 18:19.45 | g0tr00t | Because mine is like 1.2 or some shit |
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| 18:20.45 | g0tr00t | Correction 1.4.2 |
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| 18:22.24 | sulphur16 | Hello All, when I try to insert the module i915, I get an error FATAL: Error inserting i915 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i915.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 18:22.52 | sulphur16 | Anyone has idea, what is happening in there.. |
| 18:23.07 | cheche | how can I add a version on this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545143 |
| 18:23.42 | dondelelcaro | cheche: you most likely don't need to |
| 18:23.45 | dondelelcaro | cheche: what version would you add? |
| 18:23.55 | cheche | 2.7.2-1 |
| 18:24.08 | cheche | dondelelcaro: I have the same issue with current version |
| 18:24.10 | dondelelcaro | cheche: it's already found in that version |
| 18:24.21 | dondelelcaro | cheche: see the graph on the right? |
| 18:24.44 | cheche | dondelelcaro: but it said found in versions .... and 2.7 is not on that one |
| 18:24.52 | dondelelcaro | cheche: that doesn't matter |
| 18:25.12 | dondelelcaro | cheche: a bug which is found in a version is also found in a decendant of that version unless there is an intervening version in which it is fixed |
| 18:25.14 | cheche | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 18:25.27 | dondelelcaro | cheche: any version in the graph on the right which is red is already found in that version |
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| 18:25.49 | cheche | dondelelcaro: so there is nothing that I can do on this bug to help right? |
| 18:27.00 | dondelelcaro | cheche: consider discussing with upstream about ignoring network-manager's status |
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| 18:28.09 | cheche | dondelelcaro: I notice then upgrade to squeeze that i have not network conection status but I have the right content on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:28.47 | cheche | looks like the network manager does not check the info on /etc/network/interfaces.. |
| 18:29.18 | dondelelcaro | cheche: that could also be the bug; I don't use pidgin, so I don't really have an opinion on this issue |
| 18:29.41 | dondelelcaro | cheche: I assume a patch to disable this check or something *may* be accepted, but I don't know the original rationale for checking for it in the first place anyway |
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| 18:31.12 | cheche | dondelelcaro: well, I would like to help, but I do not know how... |
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| 18:35.16 | km | i ran apt-get install, and it on 0% "waiting for headers". it going no where, any ideas/ |
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| 18:37.17 | jordanm | km: aptitude update; try again; still doesn't work, try a different mirror |
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| 18:37.31 | jordanm | km: or, if you are using apt-proxy, its a known issue |
| 18:38.05 | km | yes, it requires proxy access to get outside |
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| 18:38.45 | km | aptitidue update with same result (going no where) |
| 18:38.57 | jordanm | km: is your http proxy properly configured? |
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| 18:39.35 | km | should be, it was working before, and i didn't make any changes to proxy stuffs |
| 18:39.39 | jordanm | km: also, make sure you are using http, and not ftp |
| 18:39.51 | jordanm | km: ah, then just try another mirror |
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| 18:40.15 | km | got http://proxy line in apt.conf |
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| 18:40.41 | km | another mirror? how? |
| 18:40.51 | Mr_Queue | apt-spy |
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| 18:41.07 | cheche | dondelelcaro: the problem with pidgin got resolved with the problem on the network manager.... |
| 18:41.10 | Mr_Queue | or just make the changes by hand in sources. |
| 18:41.19 | Mr_Queue | km, up |
| 18:41.26 | km | my bad, i had the proxy line commented out. |
| 18:41.32 | Mr_Queue | :) |
| 18:41.45 | km | i don't remember i did that ;) |
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| 18:41.57 | Mr_Queue | beer night |
| 18:42.21 | Mr_Queue | drunken walks down the cli. |
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| 18:42.54 | km | possiblely and i got a very shortterm memory :( |
| 18:43.07 | km | got to stop drinking |
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| 18:43.54 | Trashi | hey, does anybody know a good tutorial/guide how to compile/install pure-ftpd on debian lenny with refering to libwrap? |
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| 18:44.39 | Mr_Queue | always used vsftpd |
| 18:44.54 | Justin | alternatively, never use ftp |
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| 18:45.16 | jordanm | !ftp must die |
| 18:45.16 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 18:45.22 | Mr_Queue | agree.. it's a dying prot. |
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| 18:46.25 | km | there's mod_security module for apache2? i don't see one with apt-cache search libapache2-mod-sec* |
| 18:46.39 | km | s/there's/there's no/ |
| 18:47.04 | jacekowski | there is |
| 18:47.23 | jacekowski | libapache2-mod-security2 |
| 18:47.24 | Trashi | jordanm: who did say that i want to provide anonymous downloads or s.th. like this? |
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| 18:47.53 | dkr | gotta love version numbers in name fields |
| 18:47.55 | jordanm | Trashi: http is perfect for that! |
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| 18:48.43 | Trashi | jordanm: yes you're right but i dont wanna provide s.th. like this .. i need ftp only for uploading data |
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| 18:48.58 | km | jacekowski: strange, i don't see it available on my |
| 18:49.04 | jordanm | Trashi: use sftp. popular clients such as filezilla support it |
| 18:49.10 | dkr | Trashi: use WEBDAV over HTTP! |
| 18:49.28 | km | i am using 5.0.3 |
| 18:49.40 | jordanm | dkr: webdav is a pain if you have to support clients from multiple platforms, especially mac os x (from my experience) |
| 18:49.57 | dkr | jordanm: I was egg yolking |
| 18:50.28 | jordanm | dkr: I am not familar with that term |
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| 18:50.45 | dkr | ftp much more sensible for PUTs. automatic resumption of interrupted downloads, recursive dir uploads, etc. even better with sftp. :) |
| 18:50.47 | km | i think i need a source list for mod_security |
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| 18:51.21 | dkr | jordanm: a pun on "joking". sorry, I'll stop my lame attempts at humor. :) |
| 18:51.37 | Purdy | hello - i'm doing an "aptitude safe-upgrade" and ran into this error msg: ghostscript: Conflicts: gs-gpl (< 8.62) but 8.54.dfsg.1-5etch2 is installed and it is kept back. ... any pointers to how i can overcome? |
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| 18:51.54 | jordanm | km: yes, you need lenny-backports |
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| 18:52.06 | foetus | strange thing with irssi-0.8.12 - login over proxy works only after changing the tty and changing back again - possible bug? |
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| 18:52.10 | jordanm | Purdy: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 18:52.21 | Purdy | jordanm: k, i'll try that |
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| 18:52.28 | Purdy | that a step between dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:52.39 | km | jordanm: how do i setup for lenny-backuports? |
| 18:52.53 | jordanm | Purdy: full-upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade, but dist-upgrade is given to apt-get |
| 18:52.57 | jordanm | !tell km about bpo |
| 18:53.22 | Trashi | dkr: is it possible to upload files via webdav? |
| 18:53.29 | Trashi | dkr: or download only? |
| 18:53.47 | km | thanks |
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| 18:54.07 | Purdy | thanks, jordanm :) |
| 18:54.07 | dkr | Trashi: it has put functionality also, but it's a pain in the neck |
| 18:54.31 | Trashi | dkr: srry, why? |
| 18:54.35 | jordanm | Trashi: webdav support both. it also has a lot of support for actually "working" on the file while they remain on the server. good for collaberation, but as I mentioned, a pain for clients of different OSs |
| 18:54.56 | dkr | Trashi: it's overly complex. stick with file transfer protocols for transferring files |
| 18:54.59 | jordanm | Trashi: sftp is recommended. its supported everywhere |
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| 18:57.25 | Trashi | ok i know ... but our customers use machines who can upload files via http or ftp ... there is no sftp/ftps functionality ... so if ftp sucks, it would be better to use http.. but i have no idea to realize that! |
| 18:57.38 | foetus | same thing. irssi works not as expected.. |
| 18:57.42 | sparta | how can i get postgres-odbc driver for lenny? |
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| 18:57.53 | Justin | sparta: a what? |
| 18:58.06 | jordanm | Trashi: what clients do they use? |
| 18:58.22 | Trashi | jordanm: gnu/linux systems |
| 18:58.35 | jordanm | Trashi: what ftp client do they use? |
| 18:59.05 | jordanm | surely they are not using /usr/bin/ftp, which they prefer over sftp.... |
| 18:59.22 | Trashi | jordanm: dont know ... i speak about machines like cameras or s.th. like this which are uploading pictures and some other documents |
| 18:59.34 | datacrusher | iv set the locale via dpkg-reconfigure so i have only one, pt-br uft-8, but a record script I have here are still creating the folders in english, and messin with special characters. Ill post up the script |
| 19:00.07 | Trashi | jordanm: but the supports HTTP and FTP upload ... so it doesnt matter which kind of client they use?! |
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| 19:01.14 | datacrusher | http://pastebin.com/whyJhyJd |
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| 19:04.27 | foetus | could i run into problems with X if i use the sshd_config from etch? |
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| 19:05.12 | jacekowski | km: nope it's in standard debian repository |
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| 19:06.39 | km | jacekowski: i didnt see it with apt-search, so i use the lenny backport source list and i got libapache2-mod-security isntalled |
| 19:07.19 | jacekowski | i have sid |
| 19:07.24 | jacekowski | without backport repos |
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| 19:08.24 | km | that's strange, i have to use backport to get modsecurity |
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| 19:08.45 | jacekowski | check packages.debian.org |
| 19:09.00 | jelly-home | ,versions libapache2-mod-security |
| 19:09.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libapache2-mod-security' was found. |
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| 19:09.18 | jacekowski | ,versions libapache2-mod-security2 |
| 19:09.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libapache2-mod-security2' was found. |
| 19:09.52 | jelly-home | afair mod_security was GPL, and undistributable in debian |
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| 19:10.10 | jacekowski | yeah, i have non-free repo as well |
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| 19:10.34 | jelly-home | non-free stuff has to be distributable as well |
| 19:11.10 | jelly-home | ,versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 19:11.12 | judd | firmware-linux-nonfree -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.24~bpo50+1; sid/non-free: 0.26; squeeze/non-free: 0.26 |
| 19:11.22 | jordanm | ,versions libapache-mod-security |
| 19:11.25 | judd | libapache-mod-security -- lenny-backports: 2.5.11-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.5.12-1; squeeze: 2.5.12-1 |
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| 19:11.57 | foetus | ok. i use sshd_config from etch. works like a charme, i commented the OOm-killer thing in /etc/default/ssh. |
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| 19:12.34 | foetus | whats the 'OOm-Killer' :) |
| 19:12.56 | jelly-home | !oom |
| 19:12.57 | dpkg | what a woc says. Out Of Memory, or http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/ |
| 19:12.59 | Justin | foetus: doesn't /etc/default/ssh tell you what it is? |
| 19:13.36 | foetus | Justin: no. what is it? |
| 19:13.57 | Justin | foetus: see what dpkg said |
| 19:14.10 | foetus | Justin: ok.. |
| 19:14.39 | Trashi | ok ... as i read is webdav/filetransfer via http without ssl not less pointless as using ftp ... so again first question: does anybody know a good tutorial/guide how to compile/install pure-ftpd on debian lenny with refering to libwrap? |
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| 19:15.17 | Justin | do you need libwrap or could you just use iptables? |
| 19:15.44 | jelly-home | great, so it's an apache2 module, but the package name is different from all the other modules |
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| 19:16.07 | iluminator101 | is there command that i can use to avoid rebooting |
| 19:16.22 | gnarface | lol just don't reboot |
| 19:16.35 | Trashi | Justin: no, i need libwrap because its only a virtual server and i has no access to kernel modules or s.th. like this |
| 19:16.36 | dkr | alias reboot echo 'no!' |
| 19:17.04 | iluminator101 | isnt there some -m command you can use |
| 19:17.16 | gnarface | ?? |
| 19:17.20 | dkr | oh, you could edit /etc/inittab to remove the code that reboots upon getting a ctl-alt-del |
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| 19:17.50 | Justin | !wayttd iluminator101 |
| 19:17.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, iluminator101? |
| 19:18.02 | gnarface | iluminator101: is the plan to stop the computer from being able to reboot, or did you have something specific you wanted to restart without rebooting the whole computer? |
| 19:18.37 | iluminator101 | or at least without logginout |
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| 19:19.10 | gnarface | well many parts of the system have a script in /etc/init.d that you can call to restart it individually, without a reboot |
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| 19:19.31 | gnarface | they are the same scripts that start them in the first place on reboot, and shut them down on shutdown |
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| 19:19.47 | gnarface | avoiding rebooting to switch your kernel though is... more complicated |
| 19:20.00 | iluminator101 | hmm...thanks |
| 19:20.44 | iluminator101 | now to my main problem i tried a lot of things i cant the scanner brother mfc 7420 to work |
| 19:21.22 | gnarface | did you ask google? |
| 19:21.31 | gnarface | scanner support on linux is spotty at best |
| 19:21.41 | iluminator101 | yea i did the whole nine yards |
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| 19:22.36 | foetus | Justin: i have seen the blog of Bart Trojanowski..what does it mean? |
| 19:23.06 | Justin | foetus: nevermind it. just leave it alone |
| 19:23.35 | foetus | Justin: ok. will see.. |
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| 19:27.36 | foetus | Justin: ahhh - oom = out of memory. |
| 19:27.40 | km | when installing mod_security, does also install the default core rules? |
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| 19:27.45 | Spec | Is there a way to tell the kernel to flag a specific partition to be mounted read-only, and unable to mount -o remount -o rw ? |
| 19:28.22 | Ikarus | no and no |
| 19:28.27 | Spec | sweet. |
| 19:28.34 | gnarface | Spec: you can set it in fstab but root can always override that |
| 19:28.43 | Spec | How can I have a known-good tripwire binary no-matter-what? :) |
| 19:28.45 | Ikarus | you can flag it in fstab, which tells mount |
| 19:28.51 | Ikarus | Spec: read only memory |
| 19:28.54 | Ikarus | physically |
| 19:29.01 | Spec | hmm, not an option. |
| 19:29.11 | Ikarus | like a CD-rom, or a USB drive, SD card or CF card with a write protect switch |
| 19:29.21 | Spec | those aren't so great |
| 19:29.32 | Spec | because an attacker could just mount a file loopback over the folder, right? |
| 19:29.33 | Ikarus | Spec: no, but they are absolutely read only |
| 19:29.58 | Spec | Would it be considered safe to check the binaries out from an svn repo before it's run, every time? |
| 19:30.10 | Ikarus | Spec: uh, to run tripwire attacker verification, REBOOT to a kernel on the read only store, then check |
| 19:30.25 | Spec | Ah, but I mean the daily runs. can't reboot it daily to do that. |
| 19:30.33 | Spec | I know how to do it after-the-fact. |
| 19:30.40 | Ikarus | Spec: well, you are fucked by default on x86 HW |
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| 19:30.54 | Ikarus | Spec: if you virtualise it, you might be able to pull it off |
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| 19:30.59 | Ikarus | but normally no |
| 19:31.02 | Spec | Ikarus: They are virtualized with vmware. |
| 19:31.15 | gnarface | bah vmware |
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| 19:31.27 | Ikarus | Spec: assuming no bugs in vmware: |
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| 19:31.36 | Spec | Ikarus: a grand assumption :p |
| 19:31.46 | gnarface | vmware is not without it's history of security vulnerabilities |
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| 19:31.50 | foetus | i leave it commented. never heard about. |
| 19:32.08 | eadric_ | hi all |
| 19:32.09 | Ikarus | Spec: mount the partitions you want to tripwire check in a seperate VM in a read only way, boot that VM from read only storage |
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| 19:34.29 | eadric_ | does anyone know how to check howmuch data is in a LVM2 volume |
| 19:34.44 | eadric_ | the volume is not mounted |
| 19:35.18 | gnarface | i can tell you how to do that if it was mounted |
| 19:35.22 | jordanm | eadric_: mount it, then check with df |
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| 19:35.42 | eadric_ | it does not have a valid filesystem as it is currently being restored |
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| 19:35.54 | gnarface | there's probably a way to do it using raw access to the device node, but i doubt it's worth the effort or the risk |
| 19:36.07 | jordanm | eadric_: well, then it sounds like the answer at this point in time is "0" |
| 19:36.23 | eadric_ | I would like to know how far along it is you see |
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| 19:37.32 | eadric_ | just wait till its done then I guess :- |
| 19:37.41 | eadric_ | thanx |
| 19:38.01 | jordanm | eadric_: backup next time! |
| 19:38.34 | eadric_ | jordanm: how do you meen |
| 19:38.48 | eadric_ | I am restoring a backup right know |
| 19:39.05 | eadric_ | now i neem |
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| 19:39.07 | jordanm | eadric_: and you don't know how large the backup is? |
| 19:39.25 | jordanm | eadric_: it sounded like you were doing some type of "disk recovery", not restoring a backup |
| 19:39.46 | eadric_ | I do, I dont know howmuch of it has been written to the new (restore) LVM |
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| 19:40.19 | jordanm | eadric_: is it not a file backup (eww images)? what are you using to restore? what kind of backup? |
| 19:40.54 | eadric_ | its a tgz file with a raw disk image in it |
| 19:41.11 | eadric_ | qemu image |
| 19:41.23 | eadric_ | 350 gb |
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| 19:41.52 | foetus | curious thing, this oom-killer. something new.:) |
| 19:41.55 | jordanm | eadric_: and you are retoring it how? |
| 19:42.04 | gnarface | eadric_: doesn't the tool you're using to do the restore have some sort of verbose or progress output flag? |
| 19:42.25 | eadric_ | not verbose as far as the docs tell me |
| 19:42.45 | eadric_ | i am using qmrestore on a proxmox server |
| 19:43.02 | gnarface | i have no idea what those things are |
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| 19:43.28 | jordanm | eadric_: ehh, which part is debian? |
| 19:43.51 | eadric_ | proxmox is debian lenny based |
| 19:43.57 | jordanm | !based on debian |
| 19:43.58 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:44.25 | eadric_ | I know |
| 19:44.40 | jordanm | that in particular looks non-free too |
| 19:44.57 | gnarface | eadric_: as long as DMA is working on the harddrive you should be able to bet on somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 or 60MB per second throughput |
| 19:45.21 | eadric_ | ok thanx |
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| 19:45.38 | gnarface | for whatever that's worth... overhead of unpacking whatever that tool did to it may slow things down |
| 19:46.07 | eadric_ | that happens indeed |
| 19:46.50 | eadric_ | jordanm: that in particular looks non-free too... howso? |
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| 19:47.24 | eadric_ | i'm not talking about the mail gateway |
| 19:48.19 | jordanm | eadric_: the "Proxmox Software License Agreement" sounds pretty non-free to me |
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| 19:55.25 | alterscapes | argh. I'm failing to find this in the manpages, even though I know it should be obvious: What's the flag you set so that all files created in a directory retain the same group as that directory, rather than defaulting to creator/creator? |
| 19:55.34 | homie | why may cause continuous drawing of the screen, line after line, when using vncviewer, so the image is updated continuously and gets garbled and full ? |
| 19:55.41 | homie | s/why/what |
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| 19:56.21 | simonrvn | alterscapes: info chmod > setgid |
| 19:56.23 | alterscapes | oh, setgid. got it, sorry all. |
| 19:56.36 | alterscapes | thank you simonrvn. |
| 19:56.47 | simonrvn | np |
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| 19:57.35 | homie | or when i use a single-window, the image is updated continuously but shrinks also with every update ? so the image is again garbled |
| 19:57.51 | homie | like rectangles in rectangles etc.... |
| 19:57.51 | eadric_ | <jordanm> eadric_: the "Proxmox Software License Agreement" sounds pretty non-free to me... THATS the mailgateway, im talking about the virtual enviroment. That licensed under the GPL v2 |
| 19:58.24 | eadric_ | anyway thanks for the help |
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| 19:59.29 | asdasd | hello guys i try to install esxi on my server but it get a strange error i see that the vmkernel is just a compiled linux kernel is it possible to add some drivers to it ? |
| 19:59.54 | jordanm | asdasd: #vmware |
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| 20:01.20 | asdasd | i already tryed |
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| 20:01.35 | simonrvn | 'tried' |
| 20:01.46 | asdasd | yeah |
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| 20:02.52 | jordanm | asdasd: that deosn't mean we can support software that is not distributed by debian |
| 20:03.02 | mouseclone | how would I find out what program is doing dns request? |
| 20:03.29 | BbT0n | Hey, i want someone help about package. I want take a library in sid, but i'm in etch.... What is the setup ? |
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| 20:03.55 | jordanm | mouseclone: possibly: iftop -f port 53 |
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| 20:04.50 | SparFux | Hi. My user in group "plugdev" isn't able to download usb driver data. He should be, or not? |
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| 20:05.06 | jordanm | BbT0n: aside from packaging, you should upgrade to a supported release |
| 20:05.09 | jordanm | !tell BbT0n about nmg |
| 20:06.45 | alterscapes | ok, next question: been asking over on #samba, but they don't seem too responsive: I have a Lenny server running Samba joined to an ActiveDirectory PDC. Users can login with their AD credentials (DOMAIN\jdoe maps to jdoe), and I can give specific users access to samba shares as in 'allow users = DOMAIN\jdoe' .. but even though jdoe owns the file and belongs to the group that owns the directory, he can't write to it. Not even giving t |
| 20:06.45 | alterscapes | file a+w makes it writable via Samba. |
| 20:06.59 | BbT0n | jordanm Thx, but what is it, i can find help ? |
| 20:07.04 | alterscapes | (if this is inappropriate for #debian, please let me know and I won't ask again) |
| 20:07.34 | mouseclone | -f port 53 |
| 20:08.32 | SparFux | How can I give access to usb cameras to normal users in debian sid? |
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| 20:09.37 | jordanm | BbT0n: start by reading the new maintainer guide. you won't find much help until you have atleast read the basics |
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| 20:11.25 | BbT0n | jordanm ^^ nice it's a fucking nice bot :) but i'm not sure to find help. Yes because i know i can take a package from sid with /etc/apt/preference .... |
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| 20:11.58 | jordanm | BbT0n: I misunderstood your question. I thought you wanted to create packages to go into sid, to help debian |
| 20:12.33 | jordanm | BbT0n: installing sid packages on etch is not supported or recommend. upgrade to current stable, then you can talk backports |
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| 20:12.50 | thrashold | SparFux: What kind of cameras? Video or picture? Picture works out of the box with a PTP program, or as a mass storage for some cameras. |
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| 20:13.30 | SparFux | thrashold: ok, I use gphoto2 --get-all-files and my normal user with group plugdev does not get permission. As root, gphoto2 works fine. |
| 20:13.32 | thrashold | SparFux: For video cameras, you probably need to add yourself in the video group (root video 81, 0 7 авг 15,25 /dev/video0) |
| 20:13.48 | SparFux | thrashold: no, I use a picture camera. |
| 20:13.58 | thrashold | SparFux: Wait me to plug one and check |
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| 20:14.55 | km | anyone familar with mod_security rules? |
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| 20:15.13 | jordanm | km: I am sure #httpd is |
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| 20:19.10 | thrashold | SparFux: I think you need to add yourself to the plugdev group (a file owned by plugdev appeared in /dev/bus/usb when I plugged my camera) |
| 20:19.40 | thrashold | SparFux: By the way, consider switching to Mass Storage mode if you have one, I have some trouble with PTP lately in sid, and it's also slower |
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| 20:20.23 | SparFux | I did add myself to plugdev and it didn't work :-( |
| 20:20.40 | SparFux | thrashold: It works for me as root. I am trying to find some debian bugs :-) |
| 20:21.00 | thrashold | When you run id from the shell you run gphoto2, does it include plugdev in the groups? |
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| 20:21.17 | Swistaczek | Hello. How to change default home dir of user? |
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| 20:22.47 | asdasd | hello guys |
| 20:23.06 | asdasd | i have a machine with 2 NIC's but one it not visable anymore |
| 20:23.11 | asdasd | how can i add the NIC again |
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| 20:23.31 | qwd | Swistaczek: type that into google and I guarantee you'll find the answer right away |
| 20:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Find and load the driver for the card. |
| 20:23.43 | Swistaczek | qwd: thanks you |
| 20:23.45 | jhutchins_lt | s/card/nic |
| 20:23.47 | Swistaczek | cpt.obvious :) |
| 20:23.49 | jordanm | ^ which should occur automatically |
| 20:24.04 | asdasd | s/card/nic? |
| 20:24.22 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Substitute nic for card in the above sentance. |
| 20:24.37 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Yes, the driver should load automatically, but something has changed and it isn't. |
| 20:24.37 | jordanm | NIC stands for "network interface CARD".... |
| 20:24.47 | asdasd | yeah i know |
| 20:24.56 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: First thing is to figure out which driver it's supposed to use. |
| 20:25.09 | asdasd | how should i do that |
| 20:25.19 | jordanm | asdasd: which you can do by pasting the lspci -nn line for that device |
| 20:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Also used to refer to an on-board Network Interface (Chipset?). |
| 20:26.04 | jordanm | hehe, well I am wrong, "network interface controller" according to wikipedia |
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| 20:26.14 | jordanm | makes more sense |
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| 20:26.14 | asdasd | command not found |
| 20:26.18 | asdasd | lspci -nn |
| 20:26.49 | jordanm | !installit |
| 20:26.49 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 20:26.55 | tolecnal | Can anyon in here come up with a good reason why some keys would stop working when starting up a chroot (specificially the s and d keys). this applies to both a local terminal window, as well as via a SSH session |
| 20:27.17 | asdasd | ? |
| 20:27.46 | asdasd | if i dont have internet on the machine.. |
| 20:28.16 | asdasd | ? |
| 20:28.21 | jordanm | asdasd: you said one of the two NICs worked? otherwise, you can manually transfer the .deb for pciutils using a usb stick |
| 20:28.56 | asdasd | yeah one of the 2 nics are working |
| 20:28.59 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I think that's one of those acronyms that's evolved with the hardware. |
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| 20:29.23 | Dassu | Iceweasel thinks that .mp4 is *file* and doesn't regonize its real mimetype. What should I do to fix this? command "file <mp4 file>" reports "ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2" |
| 20:29.26 | asdasd | can u link me the .deb |
| 20:29.28 | jordanm | asdasd: why can't you use the one functioning NIC to install the package you need? |
| 20:29.30 | jhutchins_lt | Or install it from CD/DVD. |
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| 20:29.33 | jordanm | asdasd: packages.debian.org |
| 20:30.01 | tolecnal | Dassu: sounds like a misconfigured web server to me. |
| 20:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | Dassu: Install something that understands mp4's. |
| 20:30.09 | ibiri | Hi people, I'm making a the cutomize debian install with preseed, but I'd like to know how to install other task with tasksel after preseed using the preseed/late_command... |
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| 20:30.12 | ibiri | plzzz |
| 20:30.36 | asdasd | hmm |
| 20:30.59 | asdasd | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=lspci&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any witch of the 6? |
| 20:31.53 | jordanm | asdasd: well, only one of those files is not in a documentation directory, and if you read above, I told you the correct package |
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| 20:32.00 | mouseclone | jordanm: do you know of a way to see what 'it' might be trying to resolve? I want to know if it is looking for example.com or what domain it is looking for |
| 20:32.11 | Dassu | jhutchins_lt: It is the firefox getting the mimetype wrong. It doesn't recognize it as a mpeg4 file so it won't eve ntry to open it with mediaplayer. Instead it chooses to use whatever that is specified for mimetype: "file" |
| 20:32.29 | jordanm | mouseclone: tcpdump port 53 |
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| 20:35.05 | ker | hi! where can I download a debian squeeze netinst iso? |
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| 20:36.07 | PhorceP | Running squeeze with grub2. update-grub throws: error: Unknown LVM metadata header grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. |
| 20:36.09 | jordanm | ker: did you try googling "debian squeeze" and clicking the 2nd link? |
| 20:36.17 | Dassu | tolecnal: yes, it is possible. |
| 20:36.25 | jhutchins_lt | Dassu: It's possible that the server is misconfigured; if you do have a viable mp4 player it's possible that you need to clear the cache and restart firefox. I'd suggest downloading the file and trying to play it. Debian does not necessarily have an mp4 player installed. |
| 20:36.45 | jordanm | PhorceP: check the bts (likely already there), reportbug if not |
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| 20:37.15 | adsasdasd | i'm back |
| 20:37.17 | adsasdasd | i installed lspci |
| 20:37.28 | adsasdasd | do u want to have the output of it? |
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| 20:37.37 | HazardX | anyone know of a DNS request-forwarding daemon? (without needing to run the entirety of bind that is) |
| 20:37.49 | gnarface | dnsmasq |
| 20:38.03 | shylent | whats wrong with bind? |
| 20:38.06 | PhorceP | jordanm: Thanks, it is. #590884 |
| 20:38.29 | adsasdasd | do u need the output of lspci? |
| 20:38.30 | PhorceP | I think |
| 20:38.46 | tolecnal | argh! this is driving me nuts! the d and f keys won't work after I enter a chroot, and I can't figure out why |
| 20:38.55 | moldovean | PhorceP, try next room on #grub |
| 20:39.00 | HazardX | shylent, nothing really, other than I don't like having to configure two bind servers on the same hardware when I can just have the first forward everything to the second |
| 20:39.06 | jordanm | PhorceP: there are probably a couple similar ones that need to be merged |
| 20:39.20 | gnoob | Guys, Whats the best way to manage user-properties for large amounts of users? and.. Whats the best way to assure that new users added get their home directory private? Other users dont have read access.. easy to fix with chown.. but want this automated |
| 20:39.22 | HazardX | shylent, to make that more clear, VMs are involved, and other such silliness |
| 20:39.30 | adsasdasd | ? |
| 20:39.56 | gnoob | chmod not chown :) |
| 20:40.00 | Dassu | jhutchins_lt: the file is dowloaded. It is the "Downloads" list and when I open the file from that list the firefox considers the file to be something else than mpeg4 |
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| 20:40.20 | Dassu | *iceweasel |
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| 20:40.24 | adsasdasd | jhutchins_lt ? |
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| 20:41.17 | ibiri | Hi people, I'm making a the cutomize debian install with preseed, but want know how to install other task with tasksel |
| 20:41.29 | ibiri | plzzzz |
| 20:41.30 | ibiri | ? |
| 20:41.39 | jordanm | ibiri: what other task? |
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| 20:43.04 | adsasdasd | hello? |
| 20:43.08 | SparFux | Yes? |
| 20:43.13 | foetus | tasksel why not :) |
| 20:43.17 | ibiri | a example the task install-my-package in my server 10.0.0.2 |
| 20:43.49 | jhutchins_lt | Dassu: Sorry, had a phone call. |
| 20:44.11 | jhutchins_lt | Dassu: It looks to me like you don't have anything installed that will play mp4. What do you usually play video with? |
| 20:44.20 | ibiri | jordanm: a example the task install-my-package in my server 10.0.0.2 |
| 20:44.36 | jhutchins_lt | (Of course, we havent' actually verified that it's an MP4 file. |
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| 20:45.24 | gnarface | HazardX: dnsmasq should do what you want. it's a caching-only dns proxy that also forwards local /etc/hosts entries |
| 20:45.55 | HazardX | gnarface, thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 20:46.16 | jhutchins_lt | adsasdasd: Sorry, distracted for a bit, you could pastebin the lspci output. |
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| 20:49.19 | adsasdasd | i cant i dont have an internet connection tot he machine |
| 20:49.32 | adsasdasd | can i not do lspci -nn filename.log? |
| 20:49.42 | adsasdasd | that it post its output to a file |
| 20:49.43 | jhutchins_lt | adsasdasd: Of course. |
| 20:50.04 | jhutchins_lt | adsasdasd: Or you can read the output and figure out which chipsets are NICs. |
| 20:50.40 | adsasdasd | how can i post it to a file |
| 20:50.42 | adsasdasd | ? |
| 20:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | Bash redirect |
| 20:50.59 | jhutchins_lt | adsasdasd: > |
| 20:51.50 | ibiri | help me |
| 20:51.52 | ibiri | T-T |
| 20:52.13 | adsasdasd | how |
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| 20:54.29 | homie | is there anyone using vnc ? |
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| 20:57.37 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 20:57.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:58.11 | asdasd | http://nopaste.info/210884a8c4.html |
| 20:58.13 | asdasd | ther eis the output |
| 20:59.35 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: C'mon, you can figure out which ones are the ethernet controllers. |
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| 21:00.29 | asdasd | yeah i know |
| 21:00.34 | asdasd | but how i can add the driver |
| 21:00.36 | asdasd | and make it work again |
| 21:00.37 | homie | i get garbled screen with vnc, i used x11vnc -cache 10 to start the server locally, then used vncviewer and/or x11tightvncviewer to get the screen up, it either updates the screen continuously so it garbles in a few seconds in grab mode or even when in window mode the updateing causes rectangles to be drawn recursively in the windows |
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| 21:01.15 | homie | does anyone know if that is a configuration issue or something else ? |
| 21:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Did you tell us what happened between the time it was working and the time it wasn't? |
| 21:01.28 | asdasd | no |
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| 21:01.53 | asdasd | i just removed it and put it in again |
| 21:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | homie: Haven't seen that particular problem, but it could have to do with the resolution you're running, or if you're running some wierd jiggly desktop with lots of effects. |
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| 21:02.41 | homie | ah, so you mean plasma or kde is in the way ? |
| 21:02.50 | jhutchins_lt | plasma. |
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| 21:02.55 | homie | ewww |
| 21:03.09 | homie | yes i already notice many problems with it here actually |
| 21:03.24 | very_broken | hey all, I've managed to brutaly trash my system, and was wondering if you could help me fix it |
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| 21:03.38 | project2501a | very_broken: what have you broken? |
| 21:03.51 | jhutchins_lt | !tell asdasd about 82557 |
| 21:04.02 | jhutchins_lt | !tell asdasd about 8139 |
| 21:04.24 | very_broken | I downloaded the stable version of debian, wanted to run unstable, and then set my sources.list to point to unstable. |
| 21:04.33 | very_broken | then I did a apt-get dist-upgrad |
| 21:04.41 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Fix whichever one is broken. |
| 21:04.56 | jhutchins_lt | very_broken: Are you on etch or something? |
| 21:04.57 | very_broken | then... my wireless keyboard malfunctioned, I'm not totaly sure what the terminal got, but it aborted about half way through |
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| 21:05.16 | very_broken | so... now I have some dependencies issues |
| 21:05.43 | jhutchins_lt | very_broken: Come on, we're not going to guess which release you were upgrading to or from. |
| 21:05.57 | asdasd | its not brother |
| 21:06.02 | asdasd | yeah on the realtek i can eth |
| 21:06.04 | asdasd | on the intel not |
| 21:06.05 | very_broken | sure, I'll find out, it was an image I downloaded last week |
| 21:06.13 | mrsprinkles | i ran aptitude safe-update and it says this will be upgraded: linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 Is this a kernel update and do I need to restart the server once I install it? |
| 21:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | mrsprinkles: Yes and yes. |
| 21:06.38 | mrsprinkles | thanks! |
| 21:06.53 | asdasd | ? |
| 21:06.59 | asdasd | i can eth on the realtek |
| 21:07.02 | asdasd | but not in the intel |
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| 21:07.41 | asdasd | help me pleas? |
| 21:07.55 | very_broken | jhutchins_lt: it was lenny |
| 21:08.58 | very_broken | asd: since it's gone rather quiet, if you recap your problem for me, I /might/ be able to help - long time since I used debian |
| 21:09.05 | jhutchins_lt | !lenny->squeeze |
| 21:09.14 | asdasd | jhutchins_lt ? |
| 21:09.22 | very_broken | !lenny->squeeze |
| 21:09.47 | very_broken | I'll google that, and see what comes up, but I'm pretty sure this isn't the expected behaviure |
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| 21:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | very_broken: Sorry, was hoping dpkg had a factoid on that, not yet I guess. |
| 21:10.21 | very_broken | ah, it's breaking at the udev upgrade |
| 21:10.38 | jhutchins_lt | very_broken: First, you should be using aptitude; second, you should use safe-upgrade then full-upgrade. |
| 21:10.48 | asdasd | jhutchins_lt can u help me with my NIC? |
| 21:10.48 | jhutchins_lt | !etch->lenny |
| 21:11.03 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Did you review what dpkg told you about it? |
| 21:11.04 | very_broken | j: thanks, I'll remember that next time |
| 21:11.05 | moldovean | vean> lenny->squeeze |
| 21:11.05 | moldovean | 10 Aug 09 23:10<dpkg> Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 21:11.22 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.10 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.11 | asdasd | jhutchins_lt> ? |
| 21:12.27 | gnarface | hmm. something changed all my harddrives from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* and my optical drive from /dev/hdb to /dev/sr0 - maybe very_broken's problem is just a dated fstab? |
| 21:12.47 | ibiri | Hi people, I'm making a the cutomize debian install with preseed, but I'd like to know how to install other task with tasksel after preseed using the preseed/late_command... a example the task install-my-package in my server 10.0.0.2... |
| 21:12.54 | ibiri | Help me |
| 21:12.58 | ibiri | PLZZZ |
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| 21:13.05 | asdasd | jhutchins_lt ? |
| 21:13.07 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Yes, that's a known issue that is usually handled when the kernel is updated. |
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| 21:13.31 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: I'm sorry, I do not understand your question. |
| 21:13.54 | homie | maybe use ahci as module for a time |
| 21:13.54 | asdasd | i have the output of your command |
| 21:13.59 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: If I understand correctly, you physically removed the intel adapter. |
| 21:14.00 | asdasd | what should i do next? |
| 21:14.04 | homie | beneath libata |
| 21:14.04 | asdasd | yeah |
| 21:14.11 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Have you restarted since you replaced it? |
| 21:14.13 | asdasd | and insert into the system again |
| 21:14.15 | asdasd | yeah |
| 21:14.18 | asdasd | couple of times |
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| 21:14.45 | homie | and current udev only supports reading uuids, i mean squeeze |
| 21:14.50 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Have you updated the system at all since it was working with that card? Does that card get detected by dmesg? (dmesg | grep -i intel) |
| 21:15.00 | mouseclone | jordanm: thanks for the help .. I'm still not 100% sure, but i'm getting a better idea.. i think |
| 21:15.10 | homie | at least it switched itself to uuid reading in the fstab |
| 21:15.19 | ibiri | Hi people, I'm making a the cutomize debian install with preseed, but I'd like to know how to install other task with tasksel after preseed using the preseed/late_command... a example the task install-my-package in my server 10.0.0.2... anyone help me |
| 21:15.23 | ibiri | ? |
| 21:15.31 | very_broken | jhutchins_lt: ahhh, aptitude gives way better debug than apt-get |
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| 21:15.58 | bolt | bolt 22951 2.1 2.6 142100 53248 tty8 D 22:26 0:05 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
| 21:16.02 | bolt | how do i kill that damn thing? |
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| 21:16.12 | asdasd | jhutchins_lt yeah with dmesg it works |
| 21:16.31 | jhutchins_lt | ibiri: You're going to have too read the preseed docs, and you're going to have to figure out what the procedure your are trying to do is when you do it manually. Your question does not entirely make sense; installing a package has nothing to do with an IP address. |
| 21:16.52 | asdasd | but if i do ifup eth1 i get error while getting interface flags: No Such device |
| 21:17.24 | moldovean | asdasd, try ifup eth0 ... |
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| 21:17.42 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: That most likely means that the module is not loading; there should be error info in dmesg which you can find with dmesg | less. I would guess you need to set up the firmware. |
| 21:17.47 | asdasd | eth0 is already up |
| 21:18.42 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: You can also modprobe -vv <intel module> and see what it says. |
| 21:18.57 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: lsmod should confirm that the module is not loaded. |
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| 21:19.08 | asdasd | what do i need to typ then |
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| 21:19.13 | asdasd | modeprobe -vv and what then? |
| 21:19.27 | asdasd | 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro |
| 21:20.01 | moldovean | asdasd, on which kernel ? |
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| 21:20.07 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Which you could look up, or you could read the message dpkg sent you which says the driver is e100, so modprobe -vv e100 |
| 21:21.08 | asdasd | ok i did |
| 21:21.11 | ibiri | yes, but |
| 21:21.16 | asdasd | a emty rule is coming |
| 21:21.22 | asdasd | so it looks like it did work |
| 21:21.35 | asdasd | ifup still dont work |
| 21:21.38 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: lsmod will show what modules are loaded |
| 21:21.40 | ibiri | you send me a link with documentation more expecifict |
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| 21:21.46 | ibiri | for this procediment |
| 21:21.47 | ibiri | ? |
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| 21:23.10 | EugenMayer | Hello. Are there any auto-packaging system for debian? E.g. how are those modules build for the normal debian repos? I want to autobuild some packages from some SCMs. Rather no compiling, very simple ( scripts only ) |
| 21:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: So did the module load or didn't it? |
| 21:24.21 | asdasd | i did lsmod |
| 21:24.27 | asdasd | how can i check |
| 21:24.29 | asdasd | i did lsmod |
| 21:24.34 | asdasd | alot of text disapear |
| 21:24.44 | moldovean | asdasd, on which kernel ? |
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| 21:25.07 | asdasd | 2.6.26-686 |
| 21:25.09 | moldovean | asdasd, /msg dpkg e1000e |
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| 21:25.29 | moldovean | asdasd, install 2.6.32 kernel .. |
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| 21:26.08 | asdasd | it always worked on this kernel |
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| 21:26.43 | moldovean | asdasd, /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:27.17 | asdasd | ./msg no suchs file or directory |
| 21:27.49 | moldovean | dpkg> well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 21:27.49 | dpkg | moldovean: what are you talking about? |
| 21:27.58 | jhutchins_lt | moldovean: 82557, not 82577 |
| 21:28.20 | asdasd | what do i need to do now? |
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| 21:29.02 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: So do you understand what lsmod showed you? |
| 21:29.14 | asdasd | nope |
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| 21:29.34 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. You could check the man page, but it lists loaded modules; if e100 isn't there it isn't loaded. |
| 21:29.51 | asdasd | its not in the list |
| 21:29.58 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: So it's not loaded. |
| 21:29.59 | asdasd | wait |
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| 21:30.02 | asdasd | its loaded |
| 21:30.06 | asdasd | e100 is in th e list |
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| 21:30.46 | asdasd | it the module is loaded what do i need to do next? |
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| 21:31.20 | jhutchins_lt | Does ifconfig show the card? Does dmesg show any errors? Does /var/log/syslog show any errors? |
| 21:33.07 | asdasd | e100_wachtdog link up 100 mps |
| 21:33.09 | asdasd | link down |
| 21:33.24 | asdasd | thats whats in in dmesg |
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| 21:33.56 | bombaclat | Hi! Question about the top command. In the CPU(s) line, it says 89%id, in the process listing, it shows a process @ 40 under %cpu. Does this mean that 40% of the 11% (100%-89%) CPU usage is used by that process? or is the process using 40% of total CPU? |
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| 21:34.36 | karlpinc | I've got a Win32 exe (Windows openssl installer, http://www.slproweb.com/download/Win32OpenSSL_Light-0_9_8o.exe) and I want to see what's inside. Ideally without installing anything anywhere. What sort of bad things will happen if I run this installer under wine? Any other suggestions? |
| 21:35.06 | karlpinc | bombaclat: It's a percent of the total available, not what's used. |
| 21:35.38 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Do you have the card connected to something? |
| 21:36.13 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: If I ask three questions and you only answer one, we're not going to get anywhere. |
| 21:36.18 | asdasd | yeah |
| 21:36.22 | asdasd | to me switch |
| 21:36.24 | jhutchins_lt | (Except me, I'm gonna go make a sandwich.) |
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| 21:37.37 | bombaclat | karlpinc : ok, so of that 10% that is being used, 40% is that process |
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| 21:37.44 | bombaclat | my reasoning is somehwta correct |
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| 21:39.23 | karlpinc | bombaclat: No. 40% of the total available cpu is in use. There are 2 things that mess with you. The first is that things are not sampled all in a single instant, I think. The second is that multiple cpus affect things and your stats may or may not be relative to just the cpu the process is running on. |
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| 21:41.13 | karlpinc | bombaclat: I've always found vmstat and ps to be easier to interpret than top, so I don't recall what's what with top. |
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| 21:42.43 | bombaclat | karlpinc: the process ran for a good 10mins (rsync), and it was mostly 1 large transfer, therefore the exact timing of the sample shouldn't have mattered. When I press 1, CPU(s) line divides into 2 (1 per core), %idle remained @ 90% for each |
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| 21:43.14 | asdasd | ? |
| 21:44.54 | bombaclat | k: %CPU -- CPU usage |
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| 21:51.32 | karlpinc | bombaclat: Not unambiguous, but I appear to be wrong just based on the numbers you're getting. |
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| 21:53.49 | bombaclat | I guess the question is does total CPU time include idle time? |
| 21:54.05 | bombaclat | if not it would make sense, if it does....still confused |
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| 22:00.55 | gnarface | bombaclat: if you check ps it should be pretty obvious that CPU time only is time actually spent by the CPU executing instructions |
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| 22:11.35 | bombaclat | %cpu %CPU cpu utilization of the process in "##.#" format. |
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| 22:11.36 | ravenbird | bombaclat: (cpu takes no arguments) -- Returns some interesting CPU-related statistics on the bot. |
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| 22:11.43 | bombaclat | bleh..lol |
| 22:11.51 | bombaclat | that's from ps |
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| 22:13.35 | Ergo^ | hey debian, i bought a new ati card that has a sound card, and now alsa takes wrong default |
| 22:13.39 | Ergo^ | how do i fix that ? |
| 22:13.59 | jhutchins | Ergo^: Blacklisting the drivers is one way. |
| 22:14.04 | gnarface | Ergo^: there is an index= option for sound card modules that you can use to set which one is the first |
| 22:14.27 | gnarface | set index=0 on the one you want to be the default and index=1 on the old one |
| 22:14.30 | jhutchins | gnarface: Where is that used? modprobe.conf? |
| 22:14.38 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.46 | gnarface | sorry |
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| 22:16.23 | gnarface | there are probably a number of files you can put it in, but /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf won't be overwritten or get in the way of any automatically-created files |
| 22:16.50 | gnarface | no need to go blacklisting perfectly good hardware |
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| 22:26.03 | Arrowmaster | ,versions mkvtoolnix |
| 22:26.04 | judd | mkvtoolnix -- etch: 1.8.0-1; lenny: 2.0.2-1.1+b1; sid: 2.7.0-1; squeeze: 2.7.0-1 |
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| 22:27.40 | adrianoc | how can I install php4 in debian lenny? someone points out a guide? |
| 22:27.40 | adrianoc | how can i install php4 in debian lenny ? someone points out a guide ? |
| 22:28.08 | zfxp | yeah, google.com |
| 22:28.27 | gnarface | adrianoc: just don't. please stop perpetuating the violence. |
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| 22:28.45 | dondelelcaro | adrianoc: we no longer distribute php4 |
| 22:29.15 | gnarface | adrianoc: php.net no longer even distributes php4. it has been not only deprecated, but condemned. |
| 22:30.06 | adrianoc | yes, is deprecated, but my system, only works in php4 |
| 22:30.26 | adrianoc | i need php4 |
| 22:30.27 | gnarface | adrianoc: then your system needs to be fixed |
| 22:30.34 | dondelelcaro | adrianoc: time to fix your system? Generally speaking, if it can't work with php5, it's fundamentally broken |
| 22:31.01 | dondelelcaro | adrianoc: all of that said, it *is* possible to install php4 from etch or earlier on a later Debian system, but it has *known* security vulnerabilities |
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| 22:31.18 | gnarface | fuck security, it's a god damned memory hog |
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| 22:31.30 | gnarface | it's unacceptable in every possible way |
| 22:31.52 | iluminator101 | hmm...i might have to switch to ubuntu b/z i get my scanner to work in debian squeeze....hmmm... |
| 22:31.52 | gnarface | and php4 code that can't run out-of-the box in a php5 engine with little or no changes is fundamentally flawed in logical ways |
| 22:32.26 | zfxp | Seen that word used twice, now out of definition. |
| 22:32.45 | iluminator101 | i cant isolate why the scanner is being detected...hmmm |
| 22:32.51 | iluminator101 | isnt* |
| 22:32.52 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: well, there's no reason why switching would suddenly cause it to work, but if you provide more information, someone might be able to help |
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| 22:33.11 | adrianoc | i tried the php5, but don't working |
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| 22:33.37 | adrianoc | unfortunatley, i need php4 :( |
| 22:33.40 | iluminator101 | i have a brother mfc 7420 multifuntion printer/scanner, printing works fines, scanner i just couldnt get it work |
| 22:33.43 | gnarface | adrianoc: then read the error log and check the docs on php.net on what to change. generally the changes are very simple. |
| 22:34.15 | adrianoc | i not install php4 yet. |
| 22:34.25 | gnarface | adrianoc: install php5 |
| 22:34.26 | adrianoc | i need one tuto. |
| 22:34.30 | adrianoc | nops... |
| 22:34.34 | adrianoc | i need, install php4 |
| 22:34.38 | gnarface | no, you don't |
| 22:34.42 | gnarface | and nobody is going to help you do it |
| 22:34.56 | adrianoc | :( |
| 22:35.02 | gnarface | if you truly think you need it then you are a hazard to yourself and others |
| 22:35.06 | adrianoc | the i cry ... |
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| 22:35.14 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, i did brscran2 added this SYSFS{idVendor}==04f9, SYSFS{idProduct}==018c, ENV{libsane_matched}=yes /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane-rules |
| 22:36.08 | adrianoc | ok, i try other then. |
| 22:36.10 | gnarface | hey adrianoc look what i found on php.net for you! http://php.net/manual/en/migration5.incompatible.php - a tutorial on how to update your php4 code to work in php5 |
| 22:36.17 | iluminator101 | other the scanner part my debian squeeze laptop works beautifully i mean beautifully |
| 22:36.22 | adrianoc | thanks all. |
| 22:37.18 | gnarface | adrianoc: please; http://php.net/manual/en/migration5.incompatible.php |
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| 22:37.50 | bittin | Hello, anyone know if peppermint got an irc channel? |
| 22:37.59 | adrianoc | gnarface, ok i'll read. |
| 22:38.04 | adrianoc | thansk. |
| 22:38.25 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, i dont even get an error its no devices available it gives me nothing to go on |
| 22:38.46 | gnarface | adrianoc: if you look on the left side of that page there are links to details on changes between all the major php revisions |
| 22:39.11 | iluminator101 | permission to pm dondelelcaro |
| 22:40.04 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: keep it in the channel, because I'm busy on a bunch of other things |
| 22:40.16 | iluminator101 | k |
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| 22:41.13 | iluminator101 | so...i did brscan 2 and changed the line add vendor and product id in /lib/udev/rules.d/rules* |
| 22:41.44 | bittin | their website says its #PeppermintOS but thats empty :( |
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| 22:42.40 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, http://debian.pastebin.com/EaxTkBgk |
| 22:45.13 | bittin | thinking about installling that distro on my netbook |
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| 22:49.54 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, let's see what the USB bluetooth module does... |
| 22:50.32 | Ping_Floyd | bittin: are you sure its on freenode? |
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| 22:50.51 | bittin | it says so |
| 22:51.09 | bittin | tough its a fork of Lubuntu and #lubuntu is active =) |
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| 22:51.39 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, any suggestions |
| 22:52.04 | Ping_Floyd | well nobody's there ... but the channel is from may-2010 |
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| 22:53.04 | Ping_Floyd | u.u twidge is no longer on debian repositories U_U |
| 22:53.52 | abrotman | did you really just type that? |
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| 22:59.01 | very_broken | hi, I'm back. |
| 22:59.12 | zebradog | oh no |
| 22:59.38 | very_broken | earlier I came asking how to recover a lenny->squeeze upgrade that was running into issues |
| 22:59.54 | very_broken | and was as far as I can tell, told I should have used aptitude, and done a safe upgrade |
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| 23:00.02 | very_broken | so I trashed the install, and tried again |
| 23:00.25 | zebradog | very_broken, you trashed the install means you aborted it |
| 23:00.36 | zebradog | very_broken, are you a woman? |
| 23:00.40 | very_broken | yeah, I reinstalled to the default base system |
| 23:00.42 | very_broken | no |
| 23:00.48 | zebradog | very_broken, then speak like a man.. |
| 23:00.50 | very_broken | base system + desktop |
| 23:01.02 | very_broken | I might be an homosexual, can I still be girly? |
| 23:01.41 | themill | wtf? |
| 23:01.44 | very_broken | but er, I think this may be a bug, because I read elsewhere of other people using the same commands I did and not having a problem |
| 23:01.48 | zebradog | as far as i care, i don't care what "it" means. |
| 23:02.09 | zebradog | doesn't need to help "it" newb speakers |
| 23:02.09 | very_broken | so I can only assume that it's to do with the current state of the squeeze repo |
| 23:02.57 | iluminator101 | so dondelelcaro any ideas |
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| 23:04.23 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: I don't have that scanner, and I don't work with priorietary drivers, so I can't really help you much |
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| 23:04.50 | dondelelcaro | err, proprietary drivers, rather. |
| 23:05.06 | iluminator101 | where can i find non proprietary drivers then |
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| 23:05.51 | hayleyw | where do i insert the database information for snort-mysql? i've created the database but when debconf doesnt ask me for the db name/username/pass nothing and in /etcc/snort/snort.conf it says not to touch that area |
| 23:06.00 | abrotman | looks at himself |
| 23:06.36 | abrotman | hayleyw: did you look in /usr/share/doc/snort-mysql/ ? |
| 23:06.51 | hayleyw | abrotman, yes. that's how i read how to create the database and import the structure |
| 23:07.00 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: I don't know if they exist |
| 23:07.08 | abrotman | hayleyw: and then it just ends? |
| 23:07.21 | zebradog | hayleyw, "touch that area".. sounds like snort was written by a criminal.. stay away from it, it may touch you too |
| 23:07.35 | zebradog | snorts up cocaine |
| 23:07.49 | hayleyw | abrotman, tells you how to do it manually, too. but yeah, i dont see where to insert the db info in snort config |
| 23:10.24 | zebradog | hayleyw, you're asking experienced from a lost route. basic is, to check any readmes in /usr/share/doc, and follow their install guides online... |
| 23:10.55 | zebradog | hayleyw, if you're lost and don't understand a step, then stick with that step until you understand it, don't jump steps.. |
| 23:11.07 | Trashi | hi. my debian lenny do not know tcpserver command ... is there a way to install? |
| 23:11.43 | hayleyw | like i said, i did read it. i didnt skip steps. problem is debconf says if i edit snort.conf's database section manually, like the install guide online would have me do since it's the normal way, a reconfig/upgrade would lose it |
| 23:12.17 | abrotman | hayleyw: can you paste the README.Debian for snort-mysql in a pastebin ? |
| 23:13.14 | hayleyw | abrotman, http://dpaste.com/226859/ |
| 23:13.21 | jrollins | hey, folks. i'm getting a dpkg error: |
| 23:13.22 | iluminator101 | i think i got it i am going to reboot |
| 23:13.22 | jrollins | failed in write on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/au88x0/snd-au8820.ko': No space left on device |
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| 23:13.31 | abrotman | jrollins: is your HDD full ? |
| 23:13.35 | jrollins | does anyone know which device this is? |
| 23:13.46 | jrollins | abrotman: not that i can tell |
| 23:13.48 | abrotman | jrollins: df -h |
| 23:13.56 | jrollins | but i don't know which device it's referring to |
| 23:14.04 | jrollins | none of my devices are full |
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| 23:14.37 | jrollins | where is '.' that dpkg is referring to? |
| 23:14.40 | themill | jrollins: sticking the output of "df -h" into a pastebin might be helpful. |
| 23:14.45 | jrollins | '/'? |
| 23:14.57 | abrotman | jrollins: I'd guess /tmp/ unless you've specified otherwise |
| 23:15.22 | jrollins | themill: http://jrollins.fifthhorseman.net/pastebin/1281395701 |
| 23:15.56 | jrollins | i guess it must be /tmp |
| 23:16.11 | themill | jrollins: your / isn't that large to be installing a new kernel into it either |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | hayleyw: if you `dpkg-reconfigure snort-mysql` does it let you specify the DB stuff |
| 23:16.33 | jrollins | 68M should be enough for a new kernel, i think |
| 23:16.41 | hayleyw | abrotman, no. it fails saying it's not fully installed (because it isnt fully configured, i assume) |
| 23:16.50 | abrotman | hayleyw: dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:17.30 | themill | ,info linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 --arch amd64 --release sid |
| 23:17.31 | judd | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (kernel, optional): Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs. Version: 2.6.32-19; Size: 26939.5k; Installed: 94068k |
| 23:17.40 | hayleyw | abrotman, ah, that's the trick :) many thanks |
| 23:17.40 | themill | jrollins: ^^ guess again. |
| 23:17.55 | abrotman | themill: bloat! |
| 23:18.04 | themill | !bloatsmite abrotman |
| 23:18.04 | dpkg | removes abrotman from the channel as they are obviously superfluous and no-one would even use them. (Just remember that one person's bloat is another person's useful feature.) |
| 23:18.41 | jhutchins_lt | My phone sees my debian box w/usb bluetooth dongle, but when I tell it to pair, it asks for a PIN, and I can't find where one is configured. hcid.conf, from http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser, does not exist. |
| 23:19.03 | jrollins | themill: vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 is only 2.2M on my laptop |
| 23:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | suspects the wiki is out-of-date. |
| 23:19.13 | jrollins | and initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 is 11M |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | jrollins: and /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/ ? |
| 23:19.36 | themill | jrollins: that's not the kernel package.... that's not all that is being installed. What about all the modules that live in /lib? |
| 23:20.18 | jrollins | frak |
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| 23:22.15 | jrollins | themill: thanks. i cleared out some /lib/modules from an older kernel and that worked |
| 23:22.22 | jrollins | abrotman: thanks as well |
| 23:22.26 | themill | jrollins: no worries. |
| 23:22.46 | abrotman | jrollins: you might want to uninstall unused kernels |
| 23:23.04 | jrollins | yeah, that's what i was trying to do |
| 23:23.12 | jrollins | but i was caught in an apt loop |
| 23:23.18 | abrotman | you were trying to install one ... |
| 23:23.39 | jrollins | yes, but then i couldn't purge because apt kept wanting to fix the broken half-install |
| 23:24.24 | Trashi | hi. my debian lenny do not know tcpserver command ... is there a way to install? |
| 23:24.55 | abrotman | !tell Trashi about apt-file |
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| 23:26.18 | Trashi | abrotman: i know apt-file -.- but im not sure wether there is an better alternative for tcpserver?! |
| 23:26.21 | themill | jrollins: you can do two things at once to help with that, e.g. "aptitude install somepackage otherpackage_" |
| 23:26.46 | jrollins | themill: thanks. i need to work on my aptitude-fu |
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| 23:27.49 | themill | jrollins: you can actually do the same with apt-get too, but yes, aptitude is handy for this. (/msg dpkg aptitude ops) |
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| 23:28.41 | jhutchins_lt | That's interesting, with the BT dongle connected, boot hangs at "loading kernel modules". |
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| 23:35.19 | zebradog | jhutchins, someone told me yesterday, they only use usb 2 and disabled legacy usb support in the bios to prevent and usb- freezeups on boot |
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| 23:44.23 | magyar | hi, i created a bond interface >> |
| 23:44.25 | magyar | #auto bond0 |
| 23:44.26 | magyar | #iface bond0 inet dhcp |
| 23:44.28 | magyar | # bond-slaves none |
| 23:44.29 | magyar | # bond-mode 1 |
| 23:44.31 | magyar | # bond-miimon 100 |
| 23:44.32 | magyar | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 23:44.34 | magyar | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:44.35 | magyar | # bond-master bond0 |
| 23:44.37 | magyar | # bond-primary eth0 eth1 |
| 23:44.38 | magyar | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 23:44.40 | magyar | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 23:44.41 | magyar | # bond-master bond0 |
| 23:44.43 | magyar | # bond-primary eth0 eth1 |
| 23:44.44 | magyar | shit |
| 23:44.47 | magyar | sorry |
| 23:45.24 | magyar | in any case, with the bond dhcp is not working if i do individual cards it works |
| 23:46.03 | magyar | http://pastebin.com/CHYdPcSt << this is the actual file |
| 23:46.03 | zebradog | thinks magyar is one of those assbook advocates |
| 23:46.14 | magyar | the one that I pasted is wrong |
| 23:47.03 | magyar | zebradog: haha, you funny |
| 23:48.54 | abrotman | magyar: do NOT paste in here |
| 23:49.20 | magyar | abrotman: i said sorry, was a mistake |
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| 23:50.04 | themill | zebradog: your signal/noise is a bit weird tonight. Perhaps you should take a break from #debian. |
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| 23:51.33 | zebradog | ignores themill who keeps pm'ing harrasing him for nothing |
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| 23:56.01 | fbh | lo |
| 23:56.21 | magneto | no matter what i do to create a squeeze usb netinst i keep getting no hernel modules were found. this probably is due to a mismatch |
| 23:57.42 | magneto | i guess an i5 cpu is ia64? |
| 23:57.55 | abrotman | no |
| 23:58.27 | abrotman | magneto: use either amd64 or i386 |
| 23:58.35 | magneto | what if you have 4gig mem? |