| 00:00.44 | xuser | use amd64 |
| 00:01.34 | magneto | i did but i get kernel mismatch when i use amd64 and the amd64 boot.img.gz on this page http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:03.06 | Wyzard | magneto: IA64 is Itanium, which is not what you have |
| 00:03.12 | magneto | understood |
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| 00:03.43 | magneto | the kernels match when i used lenny's download page, but I want squeeze =P |
| 00:03.53 | Wyzard | What do you mean by "kernel mismatch"? |
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| 00:05.08 | magneto | i get an error when i use my netinst usb stick i create using the amd64 netinst iso and the amd64 netboot.img.gz for squeeze on this page http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ it says the iso and netboot.img kernels mismatch |
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| 00:06.05 | magneto | it worked for the lenny page but i want squeeze |
| 00:06.11 | magneto | =P |
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| 00:06.27 | Trashi | does anybody know how to install tcpserver on debian lenny? i couldnt find via apt-file or apt-cache or dpkg |
| 00:06.28 | xuser | magneto: how did you create the bootable USB? |
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| 00:06.49 | magneto | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sbc (as root) |
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| 00:08.53 | _joey | what is the quickest and easiest way to install sun's java on lenny? |
| 00:09.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !java |
| 00:09.12 | dpkg | it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:09.21 | jpinx-eeepc | _joey: ^^^ |
| 00:09.51 | xuser | Trashi: download and compile? or use netcat |
| 00:09.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Trashi: Do aptitude search tcp to see if what you want is in there |
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| 00:10.04 | xuser | magneto: can you use a cd? |
| 00:10.10 | magneto | i have an x201 |
| 00:10.17 | magneto | with no optical drive |
| 00:10.49 | _joey | thanks |
| 00:11.00 | jpinx-eeepc | magneto: if it's online aptitude is your friend ;) |
| 00:11.07 | Trashi | xuser: jpinx-eeepc: well, i thought to remember in debian etch was a tcpserver package as default?! |
| 00:11.14 | magneto | and lenny's non-free firmware does not find x201's nic but this webpage states that squeeze can be installed and non-free firmware has x201's card http://www.pbandjelly.org/2010/07/debian-squeeze-on-a-thinkpad-x201/ |
| 00:11.15 | xuser | magneto: did you downloaded the iso and boot.img from the same mirror? |
| 00:11.21 | magneto | yes |
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| 00:11.48 | mroe | anyone know of a web based telnet client? |
| 00:11.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Trashi: sorry, etch is no longer supported, but it depends on what you want to ddo |
| 00:12.00 | magneto | i used www.debian.irg/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:12.11 | magneto | i used www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | magneto: is there an amd64 netinst now? |
| 00:12.23 | magneto | on that page |
| 00:12.34 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:12.45 | magneto | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:12.49 | magneto | no? |
| 00:12.56 | Trashi | jpinx-eeepc: yes, but thats the reason why i did wonder why tcpserver is not more available ... i need tcpserver for the start of pure ftpd |
| 00:13.25 | magneto | abrotman: it is under the "other images" |
| 00:13.32 | magneto | just like the lenny page |
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| 00:13.40 | abrotman | for the daily netinst? it's still not there |
| 00:13.58 | magneto | but http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ isn't the daily netinst is it? |
| 00:14.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Trashi: /msg dpkg ftpd |
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| 00:14.15 | _joey | it can'tfind the package |
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| 00:14.58 | jpinx-eeepc | _joey: how are you searching? |
| 00:15.09 | xuser | Trashi: use vsftpd, it runs as a standalone daemon |
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| 00:15.24 | Trashi | xuser: pure ftpd also |
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| 00:16.08 | dissidentss | I made a package which explicitly has to overwrite the configurations of another package. I get an error (obviously) " trying to overwrite `/etc/bind/named.conf.local', which is also in package bind9" |
| 00:16.20 | dissidentss | how can I force it to overwrite |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | dissidentss: dpkg-divert |
| 00:17.08 | dissidentss | yes but with apt-get? |
| 00:17.17 | abrotman | dissidentss: but IIRC, bind supports a named.conf.d .. you can use that |
| 00:17.48 | dissidentss | whatever is on debian/lenny doesn't seem to yet |
| 00:17.54 | dissidentss | I think anyway |
| 00:18.27 | dissidentss | how can I make apt-get force overwrite? |
| 00:18.28 | jpinx-eeepc | dissidentss: bind also supports includes afair if that might help |
| 00:18.35 | magneto | i wonder if anyone can make a squeeze netinst usb drive and if they can would they mind share which files they used along with the non free firmware |
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| 00:19.06 | Trashi | i found right package: ucspi-tcp ... (apt-get install ucspi-tcp) thanks all! |
| 00:19.07 | dissidentss | jpinx-eeepc: well I'm going to have other packages which will be overwriting different package configurations and stuff like that, I'd like to figure out how to overwrite forcefully |
| 00:19.15 | dissidentss | just for future reference |
| 00:19.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Trashi: :) |
| 00:19.51 | dissidentss | what do you mean |
| 00:20.08 | magneto | oops i meant amd64 netinst |
| 00:20.10 | dissidentss | oh |
| 00:20.11 | dissidentss | nevermind |
| 00:20.25 | abrotman | dissidentss: you're doing it the wrong way |
| 00:20.35 | dissidentss | probably. what way do you suggest |
| 00:20.41 | dissidentss | I am definitely not going to use dpkg manuallyu |
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| 00:20.49 | dissidentss | that's not how the system I'm working with is configured to operate |
| 00:21.27 | jpinx-eeepc | thought apt-get/aptitude were designed to specifically not overwrite configs |
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| 00:22.37 | dissidentss | well they should be package management frontends not deciding how I want my packages installed ;\ |
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| 00:24.29 | dissidentss | I'll try making it unpack into a new directory and moving the old directory to the new one or something |
| 00:24.32 | dissidentss | in a postinst script |
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| 01:56.23 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Proprietary is usually better for this |
| 01:56.26 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ScottG about b43 |
| 01:56.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: "usually better" usually works ;) |
| 01:56.50 | ScottG | I guess I could give b43 a shot. But wl should work if it's gotten this far |
| 01:57.33 | jpinx-eeepc | thought people only came in here when they had exhausted all possibilities... |
| 01:57.34 | abrotman | apt: wb |
| 01:57.35 | apt | It's great to be back! |
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| 01:58.50 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: I think I went to reasonable lengths before asking. I could try sitting two feet from my router and see if that fixes the problem |
| 01:59.04 | ScottG | But that wouldn't be reasonable |
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| 02:07.10 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Hi, I'm back. This driver is not meant for my card. |
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| 02:07.29 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Broadcom 4301, 4303, 4306, 4309, 4311, 4312, 4318 and 4320 |
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| 02:07.53 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: I have a 4322 |
| 02:07.58 | abrotman | ScottG: lspci -nn .. what is the PCIID ? |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | and what si your current kernel ? |
| 02:08.53 | ScottG | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 02:09.09 | ScottG | abrotman: 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:432b] (rev 01) |
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| 02:09.38 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:432b |
| 02:09.39 | judd | [14e4:432b] is 'BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:432b http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 02:09.53 | Zxcvb | how do I set the sensitivity of a bluetooth mouse without affecting my touchpad? |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | the wl is correct supposedly |
| 02:10.23 | Zxcvb | if I try to make a section in xorg.conf for it then it won't work at all unless I make sure the bluetooth mouse is connected before the X server starts |
| 02:12.09 | ScottG | abrotman: What is this ssd? |
| 02:12.12 | ScottG | ssb* |
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| 02:13.30 | abrotman | ScottG: http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Squeeze |
| 02:14.34 | ScottG | abrotman: Yes, I did that. That is how I got my driver working and everything. Great guide. But I can't seem to get an IP Address from an apt |
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| 02:15.09 | abrotman | errors in dmesg ? |
| 02:15.30 | ScottG | I'll watch it while I try to connect to an AP |
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| 02:16.33 | Ping_Floyd | ScottG: you can see networks but cant connect? |
| 02:20.08 | ScottG | abrotman: hm |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | indeed |
| 02:20.53 | ScottG | Well it looks like I am connected now? |
| 02:21.01 | ScottG | The connection is very sketchy, though |
| 02:21.58 | ScottG | Ping_Floyd: It goes through all the steps (verifying, etc) but it seems to time out when getting an IP. Although now it seems to be sorta working |
| 02:22.39 | ScottG | pinging google.com is really slow, and 6% packet loss |
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| 02:48.11 | Ping_Floyd | ScottG: but if you get response then is working..... |
| 02:48.48 | ScottG | Ping_Floyd: Yes. It does seem to be working now. Not sure what happened. I have rebooted since I last tried (even though it was just loading modules) |
| 02:49.04 | ScottG | Everything seems to be working good now :0 |
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| 02:49.06 | ScottG | :)* |
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| 02:52.29 | Ping_Floyd | ScottG: is there a lot of ap near to the one you are connect? |
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| 03:51.00 | LemensTS | upgrading from lenny to the latest lenny is just (apt-get -u dist-upgrade) right? |
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| 03:56.58 | FabParma | I am installing the current stable Debian 64-bit. On partitioning it wont use the empty space (32 GB). I think it is enough or not? (the errors pix: http://yfrog.com/fvsectorsgjx) |
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| 04:06.21 | erpo | I'm storing a few TB of data and would like my system to detect and correct data corruption using redundancy. The only filesystems I know of that can do this are btrfs and zfs-fuse, neither of which are ready for production use. Suggestions? |
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| 04:08.43 | FabParma | I am installing the current stable Debian 64-bit. On partitioning it wont use the empty space (32 GB). I think it is enough or not? (the errors pix: http://yfrog.com/fvsectorsgjx) |
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| 04:11.32 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: I saw you the first time ;) |
| 04:11.39 | DiodomanX | hi people |
| 04:11.51 | DiodomanX | anyone have a debian rootfs tar.gz file? |
| 04:11.53 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: how much space do you have for your install |
| 04:11.59 | DiodomanX | for freerunner |
| 04:12.22 | FabParma | 32 gb |
| 04:12.41 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: plenty ;) |
| 04:12.54 | FabParma | jpinx-eeepc: have you seen the errors? |
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| 04:13.33 | FabParma | jpinx-eeepc: plenty means that is not sufficient? |
| 04:14.23 | DiodomanX | nobody :( |
| 04:15.08 | jpinx-eeepc | that is enough space for an install |
| 04:15.08 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: I can't see those errors |
| 04:15.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got a question if i want to make a gaming server machine should i use stable or testing? |
| 04:16.19 | FabParma | jpinx-eeepc: and then why Debian dont let me install, create a partition |
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| 04:17.45 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: what does your windows partition maanager say? |
| 04:18.38 | FabParma | it see two active partition but dont understand the fs |
| 04:18.42 | DanDare | erpo, scripting? like MD5 comparsion and such ? |
| 04:18.47 | FabParma | and an empty space |
| 04:19.00 | erpo | DanDare: Is that the best we can do on Linux at this point? |
| 04:19.35 | DanDare | erpo, have no clue. Just telling based upon my knowledge.. that isnt so great |
| 04:20.00 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: are you in windows now? |
| 04:20.04 | FabParma | jpinx-eeepc: i decided. i launch gparted, i clean all fedora and then i retry to install Debian |
| 04:20.16 | FabParma | im on ubuntu |
| 04:20.32 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: ok |
| 04:20.35 | FabParma | i have few machines |
| 04:21.08 | FabParma | in more, fedora has problem with power save |
| 04:21.15 | FabParma | i cant solve |
| 04:21.21 | FabParma | so now i start |
| 04:21.27 | FabParma | see you larer |
| 04:21.31 | FabParma | later |
| 04:21.36 | DanDare | erpo, like you said.. the options arent production ready so we need to think in something alternative. |
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| 04:23.27 | erpo | DanDare, Ugh. I was hoping for something a little more automated, but md5sum is the best I've been able to come up with as well. |
| 04:24.15 | DanDare | erpo, MD5 is just the method. Automation can be accomplished by programing.. i guess |
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| 04:28.20 | DanDare | erpo, theres possible? To take partition table info, making correlation among files/MD5 sums in some data structure like SQL ? |
| 04:28.49 | DanDare | hehehe, just something weird that just popped |
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| 04:30.04 | DanDare | but interesting enought... in a backup chain the most desirable is to get track in what original file looks like |
| 04:30.28 | DanDare | *most desirable are realiable backups* getting track would be a plus |
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| 04:46.20 | aPpYe | I am a little confused about the expert-mode installation of grub. It asks for the "linux command line" ... to what is it referring to? |
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| 04:47.42 | aPpYe | is it referring to the shell? To the menu.lst entry for the kernel? I cannot seem to find any info on this... |
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| 04:48.51 | aPpYe | so .... yeah. |
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| 04:50.07 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe: I hear that grub2 has no menulist |
| 04:50.51 | aPpYe | jpinx-eeepc: I am installing that actually. But it asks for this when I choose either one... |
| 04:51.31 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe: I still use original grub - I couldn't get my head around grub2 |
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| 04:58.22 | Nai-ux | how can i get kernel headers, for my running kernel, the right version does not show with apt-cache search |
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| 05:03.30 | troutwine | Nai-ux: What's your current running kernel, and what version shows up in the cache search? |
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| 05:04.16 | troutwine | (I've had the problem in the past, especially when I've mixed stable and testing and later disabled the testing repo.) |
| 05:04.30 | Nai-ux | i have custom iso install with 2.6.28-1-686 , the apt-cache shows 2.6.26-1 (i found what i needed on the install cdrom thank you) but how would i find it on the net in the future hav been searching. |
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| 05:05.40 | jelly-home | erpo: why not use an OS where zfs _is_ production quality |
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| 05:07.14 | troutwine | Nai-ux: That's a peculiar kernel version. Stable's on 2.6.26, testing is .32. |
| 05:07.29 | erpo | jelly-home, That's what I'm considering right now. I'm more comfortable with Linux than freebsd or solaris, but that may be the route I have to go. |
| 05:07.33 | troutwine | Unless I'm very much mistaken. |
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| 05:07.57 | troutwine | Nau-ux: That must be a custom kernel, as well. |
| 05:08.02 | Nai-ux | troutwine, i installed the custom .iso because i needed support for a weird network card |
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| 05:08.50 | troutwine | Ah, don't know much about the custome isos. To my knowlege, only .26 and .32 are in the repositories. |
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| 05:11.00 | Nai-ux | ok thanks |
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| 05:11.31 | rachelff | Does /tmp actually exist on the harddrive or is it magically virtual and stored in memory? |
| 05:11.51 | Nai-ux | that is a good question |
| 05:11.53 | Ikarus | rachelff: actually |
| 05:11.57 | Ikarus | it depends on the setup |
| 05:12.05 | Ikarus | rachelff: mount will tell you |
| 05:12.05 | troutwine | rachelff: Is tmpfs evident when you issue 'mount'? |
| 05:12.09 | Ikarus | if it is on tmpfs it |
| 05:12.14 | Ikarus | 's just in magical memory |
| 05:12.16 | troutwine | If so, yes. Otherwise no. |
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| 05:12.49 | rachelff | hm |
| 05:13.07 | Techtronic | hello, howto install mtop ? stupid question but i get error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) because: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 05:13.31 | rachelff | Yeah I see tmpfs |
| 05:13.31 | troutwine | rachelff: Out of curiosity, why do you ask? |
| 05:13.37 | rachelff | Thanks for the info |
| 05:13.44 | rachelff | Programming discussion with my roommate |
| 05:13.49 | rachelff | about unix sockets and PHP stuff |
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| 05:13.55 | rachelff | and writing to disk and EFFICENCY |
| 05:14.22 | troutwine | Ah, the horrid world of persistent IO and efficiency. |
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| 05:14.47 | troutwine | I hear having 128GB of RAM per cluster node is nice. |
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| 05:15.29 | troutwine | Techtronic: Should just be a "sudo apt-get install mtop", right? |
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| 05:15.44 | Techtronic | troutwine och yes but error |
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| 05:17.48 | troutwine | Peculiar. Are your sudo config files stock? (Also, are you on stable or testing?) |
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| 05:26.52 | burst_error | have the handlers handled the xorg problem when upgrading releases yet? |
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| 05:38.17 | sircrazy | the only info I found on google says (documentation obsolete). I just installed squeeze and I am trying to add the proper repositories, as it only added the security repo on install |
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| 05:39.44 | Mordbrann | is there a way to get ruby 1.9 going with gtk2 on Debian yet? |
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| 05:44.13 | nkuttler | sircrazy: man sources.list |
| 05:45.21 | nkuttler | Mordbrann: you can build ruby yourself |
| 05:46.01 | troutwine | Mordbrann: I use rvm to manage Ruby versions, personally. |
| 05:46.13 | troutwine | Handy tool. |
| 05:46.59 | nkuttler | gee, there's no 1.9 in sid? odd |
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| 05:47.22 | nkuttler | ah, there is |
| 05:47.44 | Mordbrann | nkuttler, there is, but no gnome support, which I need to get an app affected by a 1.8 bug fixed |
| 05:48.03 | Mordbrann | unless I'm missing something |
| 05:48.27 | nkuttler | well, do what troutwine said or build it yourself. or try the ruby channel. don't do much ruby anymore myself |
| 05:48.55 | Mordbrann | #ruby? |
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| 05:49.00 | nkuttler | notices the ruby src dir has no uninstall target |
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| 05:49.06 | Mordbrann | rvm doesn't seem to have a rvm pack |
| 05:49.21 | Mordbrann | err, deb pack |
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| 05:50.15 | troutwine | Ah, yes, rvm is installed in my ~/bin/ |
| 05:50.58 | troutwine | Tend to have better luck managing fast-moving languages myself, rather than relying on Debian. |
| 05:51.08 | Mordbrann | troutwine, I really need to learn ruby, but for now I just need to get by this bug :P |
| 05:51.20 | troutwine | What bug? |
| 05:51.54 | burst_error | how can i set the default text color in w3m to bright white? i set it through options but its actually gray |
| 05:52.05 | Mordbrann | it's in rubyripper's compare. Ripping a track takes what you'd expect, but there is a problem with the checking so it can take 10 mins to verify a 3 minute track |
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| 05:52.45 | troutwine | And you need 1.9 to avoid this bug? |
| 05:53.05 | Mordbrann | burst_error, isn't w3m text? it would depend on shell color called then; some render as white, others as gray |
| 05:53.08 | Mordbrann | troutwine, yep |
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| 05:54.22 | troutwine | If I were you, I'd install rvm as per http://rvm.beginrescueend.com/rvm/install/, install the specific Ruby version I needed and call it a day. |
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| 05:55.16 | Mordbrann | troutwine, thanks, that does seem the best option for now |
| 05:55.38 | burst_error | Mordbrann: well, _some_ of it is bright white. for instance 'what is debian?' on debian.org is white but the rest it gray. |
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| 05:57.15 | Mordbrann | burst_error, perhaps it's taking your default terminal color for the gray? hard to say |
| 05:57.57 | troutwine | Mordbrann: Good luck. |
| 05:58.37 | AndroUser | i'm using debootstrap (actually ubuntu alternate installer) and its saying 'Failed to determine the releases cosename.' |
| 05:58.39 | burst_error | Mordbrann: the default _is_ bright white :/ ill poke around the config file |
| 05:59.42 | AndroUser | what do i need to do to fix this |
| 06:01.50 | Mordbrann | burst_error, I'm betting it's between the config and the shell colors... hold on a sec |
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| 06:04.47 | Mordbrann | gah, can't find it |
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| 06:05.00 | Mordbrann | but some versions of libvte treat the color codes diff |
| 06:05.29 | burst_error | Mordbrann: i ll just play around with variations of bright+white |
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| 06:11.04 | burst_error | Mordbrann: ah there we go! i had to set the w3m color to use terminal default. |
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| 06:12.43 | Mordbrann | burst_error, :D |
| 06:13.22 | Mordbrann | burst_error, I thought it was term related, just from what you were describing. silly programs and their options that decide other options we didn't necessarily decide |
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| 06:15.36 | ralfgr | jelly: I was able to fix my device ordering with adding ahci, libata and ata_piix in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 06:16.36 | ralfgr | now both server have the same device names fpr the internal disk and the exteral raid |
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| 06:28.09 | ralfgr | hm, it seems ntp's -I option for listening only on a given interace doesn't work in lenny |
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| 06:36.06 | nsadmin | ralfgr, check the man page... is it accurate in that respect? |
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| 06:36.46 | krisfremen | hmmm, did sort change between lenny and squeeze |
| 06:37.15 | krisfremen | i certainly remember sort having -V option in squeeze, and in debian it doens't have it |
| 06:38.51 | jpinx-eeepc | krisfremen: what release are you using? |
| 06:39.18 | krisfremen | i have debian lenny atm |
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| 06:39.52 | krisfremen | but i had squeeze on another computer, and i'm pretty sure i wasn't out of my mind when i coded this script and used sort -V in it |
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| 06:40.12 | jpinx-eeepc | krisfremen: yea - no V option in lenny |
| 06:40.31 | krisfremen | damn, is there an alternative? |
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| 06:40.49 | jpinx-eeepc | backport sort from squeeze? |
| 06:40.52 | chrismed | Hi, is there some way to change global encoding settings? Every text file I open seems to either have similar to "yp", or in nano it has @a^ before every character. Any ideas? |
| 06:41.49 | jpinx-eeepc | chrismed: /msg dpkg locales |
| 06:41.58 | jpinx-eeepc | that might start you sorting it out |
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| 06:42.36 | ralfgr | nsadmin: yes, -I should be the right option in lenny |
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| 06:44.04 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 06:44.10 | nsadmin | and when you try and use it, does ntp itself complain? |
| 06:44.30 | grendal_prime | cannot get this damn https server to start what the hell! |
| 06:44.36 | chrismed | jpinx-eeepc: thanks :) |
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| 06:45.17 | nsadmin | grendal_prime: not so specific as to be of help... thanks for playing... play again? |
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| 06:52.21 | nsadmin | ralfgr, I just looked at man ntpd in synopsis section... there is no -I mentioned there |
| 06:52.27 | nsadmin | wait let me double check |
| 06:52.54 | sircrazy | hey guys, getting this: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). And I know I could just do the command and install, but I do not want to install the programs |
| 06:53.06 | nsadmin | nope, ntpd has no -I in the man page whatsoever |
| 06:53.07 | sircrazy | autoclean and clean did not work. and google hasd not provided any other solutions |
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| 06:53.31 | homecable | any one use debian on there webserver ? |
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| 06:53.41 | grendal_prime | ya |
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| 06:53.49 | nsadmin | homecable: zillions of folks do |
| 06:54.31 | homecable | are packages complied with -fstack-protector |
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| 06:55.17 | grendal_prime | nsadmin, sorry this damn thing is making no sence. I mean the config is there the certs are there. Im copying the configs off of a physical box (doing a P2V conversion basically) But its weird. I restart apache and normall i would see two servers start right..one for http and one for https. But its like it just doesnt see the https config. |
| 06:55.20 | grendal_prime | never starts it |
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| 06:55.59 | nsadmin | grendal_prime, logs show anything interesting? |
| 06:56.06 | homecable | dpkg cpuflags |
| 06:56.07 | dpkg | A list of cpuflags and their meaning: http://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/ |
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| 06:56.36 | homecable | dpkg -fstack-protector |
| 06:56.36 | dpkg | no idea, homecable |
| 06:56.42 | homecable | dpkg fstack-protector |
| 06:56.42 | dpkg | homecable: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 06:57.15 | nsadmin | grendal_prime, I generally use nsd (aka naviserv aka aolserver)... what it has in common with apache, is they both have access logs and error logs |
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| 06:57.39 | nsadmin | the error log could say something about why the server is not starting |
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| 06:58.10 | nsadmin | and if there are logs, then you know it actually -is- starting, but doesn't stay running |
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| 06:58.56 | grendal_prime | nsadmin, ya normally..thats another werid ass thing...no log files for the https server at all..i mean ya i would expect to see some sort of failure in the error log..but there literally is no error log ither..its weird |
| 06:59.33 | nsadmin | hmm. that would indicate that you're absolutely right, the server is never starting |
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| 07:00.16 | nsadmin | OR that it starts and ends before it does any logging; I find that possibility very unlikely |
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| 07:02.23 | bugger | hi - i'm having trouble with module assistant, when i'm trying to set up a module "zaptel" it tells me that bad luck, the kernel headers for the target version can't be found |
| 07:02.30 | bugger | yet when i look in the /usr/src directory they're there |
| 07:02.47 | bugger | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.33.2 |
| 07:02.58 | jpinx-eeepc | grendal_prime: check syslog for start up ? |
| 07:03.06 | bugger | any suggestions |
| 07:03.11 | grendal_prime | ya did that..didnt mention anything |
| 07:03.31 | grendal_prime | dude i swear it really could be just the mod not being enabled...but ...hmm |
| 07:03.33 | grendal_prime | hold on |
| 07:04.01 | jpinx-eeepc | grendal_prime: when you start with /etc/init.d - do a restart and watch what init.d tells you |
| 07:04.23 | jpinx-eeepc | if it's not running a restart will not be able to stop it ;) |
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| 07:04.55 | grendal_prime | ok...who wants to take me out back and kick me square in the nuts? |
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| 07:05.05 | grendal_prime | i cant belive i didnt do that. |
| 07:05.11 | jpinx-eeepc | gets trampled in the rush |
| 07:05.24 | rubin110 | How do I get less or more to show everything? |
| 07:05.38 | grendal_prime | use cat instead? |
| 07:05.51 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: use cat ? |
| 07:06.03 | grendal_prime | or redirect to a file |
| 07:06.26 | grendal_prime | but umm that would be silly |
| 07:06.34 | grendal_prime | cause your already reading a file with cat |
| 07:06.42 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf |
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| 07:06.49 | grendal_prime | soooooo ummmmm i guess get a bigger monitor? |
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| 07:07.00 | jpinx-eeepc | smaller font? |
| 07:07.02 | kimitsu | salut |
| 07:07.07 | grendal_prime | like a really wide one and then change the orientation? |
| 07:07.09 | jpinx-eeepc | stronger glasses? |
| 07:07.17 | grendal_prime | fk hahahah |
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| 07:07.33 | rubin110 | Um. |
| 07:07.41 | jpinx-eeepc | kimitsu: salud |
| 07:07.50 | grendal_prime | ya...really small font...widescreen in portrate mode...ummm cat it...and...really thick glasses. |
| 07:07.53 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: ignore the chaff - use cat |
| 07:07.54 | rubin110 | If a do a less on curl -v, it doesn't display anything related to the verbos. |
| 07:08.06 | rubin110 | cat doesn't break. |
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| 07:08.18 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: but you can scroll |
| 07:08.22 | grendal_prime | ya cat will give you everything |
| 07:08.22 | mee | rubin110: did you try 2>&1 ? |
| 07:08.28 | grendal_prime | wich i think you asked for. |
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| 07:08.37 | grendal_prime | you could use it with grep though |
| 07:08.52 | mee | the missing output might be going to std. error |
| 07:08.54 | rubin110 | I want a command which can break and display all of the content from curl -v. |
| 07:09.03 | grendal_prime | like cat filename | grep mystufftolookfor |
| 07:09.04 | sonicx | morn'! |
| 07:09.17 | rubin110 | mee: I can see the output zip by and off screen before less or more stop at the top of the html doc. |
| 07:09.22 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: cat it to a file and read the file |
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| 07:09.40 | rubin110 | jpinx-eeepc: I have a bunch of sites I want to do this on very quickly. |
| 07:09.46 | grendal_prime | send it to a file and then use less on it |
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| 07:09.53 | rubin110 | Ok. |
| 07:09.54 | rubin110 | How about this. |
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| 07:10.04 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: sounds like you are missing some specific characters or something? |
| 07:10.06 | mee | rubin110: I haven't read the curl manpage, but I'd try curl -v http://.../ 2>&1 | less |
| 07:10.07 | rubin110 | Can someone tell me why less and more don't care about what initally comes out of curl -v? |
| 07:10.23 | rubin110 | What's 2>&1 do? |
| 07:10.27 | grendal_prime | im out...sorry dude |
| 07:10.35 | mee | redirects standard error to standard output |
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| 07:10.36 | burst_error | if u cat a binary > remember 'reset' |
| 07:11.00 | rubin110 | I see. |
| 07:11.01 | rubin110 | Ok. |
| 07:11.01 | mee | in other words, 2>&1 means "the second output channel points to the address of the first" |
| 07:11.11 | grendal_prime | jpinx-eeepc, thanks a shitload for pointint out the obviouse. I owe you one. I dont know where you come from but where i come from i am now supposed to marry your ugly sister. |
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| 07:11.30 | grendal_prime | or buy you a beer. |
| 07:11.43 | grendal_prime | my wife says i cant mary any more ugly girls. |
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| 07:11.56 | rubin110 | Thanks! |
| 07:12.03 | mee | rubin110: that work? |
| 07:12.09 | rubin110 | Yes. |
| 07:12.41 | Bushmills | rubin110: just testing: curl http://scarydevilmonastery.net/udot.asm|less -- i can scroll curl's output |
| 07:12.43 | mee | see http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html for more details on this stuff |
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| 07:12.52 | grendal_prime | hope you like beer. Also there is a clause that i dont have to go anywhere to get this for you. Which means you have to come to angels camp california to collect. |
| 07:13.52 | sonicx | anybody knows of a file-indexer (like strigi) that can handle geospatial metadata? |
| 07:14.02 | solar_sea | Using squeeze, with latest kde and alsa, only a single app can use the audio device at a time. Whenever a new app tries to output audio, it's ok, but it stops the old one. This wasn't such prior upgrading to squeeze iirc. What's happened and how do I fix it to allow multiple apps to output audio at the same time ? |
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| 07:16.31 | d1b | question which package has the connect manual - / man page |
| 07:17.06 | nsadmin | man page for what? |
| 07:17.10 | d1b | connect |
| 07:17.17 | d1b | it is section 2 |
| 07:17.24 | nsadmin | oh, misread that as correct |
| 07:17.32 | nsadmin | section 2, C lib calls? |
| 07:17.35 | d1b | connect() --> yeah |
| 07:17.40 | d1b | which package ? |
| 07:17.50 | nsadmin | manpages-dev? |
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| 07:17.53 | nsadmin | something like that |
| 07:17.55 | d1b | could be |
| 07:18.00 | nsadmin | , versions manpages-dev |
| 07:18.02 | judd | manpages-dev -- etch: 2.39-1; lenny: 3.05-1; sid: 3.25-1; squeeze: 3.25-1 |
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| 07:18.07 | d1b | installing it now :) |
| 07:18.14 | nsadmin | so there is one of those... |
| 07:18.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey pees |
| 07:18.36 | nsadmin | pees in Eryn's general direction :) |
| 07:18.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | i mean peeps |
| 07:18.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry |
| 07:19.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i get my dns resolution to map name to name.f.q.d.n |
| 07:19.10 | s3a | I have mnemosyne in GNOME and it looks awful and I need to install something qt related if I'm correct, I tried libqt4-gui but that didn't work, and I know installing kde would make it look nice in GNOME from a previous installation |
| 07:19.23 | s3a | i need that qt thing so that it looks normal |
| 07:19.38 | nsadmin | search f.q.d.n in resolv.conf |
| 07:19.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 07:20.02 | nsadmin | but the thing is... |
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| 07:20.20 | nsadmin | that file gets overwritten by a lot of possible things |
| 07:20.23 | nsadmin | so |
| 07:20.32 | nsadmin | you could install the package resolvconf |
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| 07:20.53 | s3a | what does that package do? |
| 07:20.54 | nsadmin | which adds syntax to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:21.02 | s3a | but i have abig feeling that has nothing to do with it |
| 07:21.05 | s3a | it's something qt related |
| 07:21.11 | d1b | nsadmin: thanks :) |
| 07:21.37 | Bushmills | with every new version of iceweasel, it becomes less and less usable on machines with low RAM . v3.5.11 is now beyond usability: intermittent 10 to 20 second pauses, during which no typing, no rendering, no nothing in iceweasel is possible. |
| 07:21.43 | nsadmin | so then you specify in that file a search suffix |
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| 07:22.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 07:22.04 | Bushmills | degradation of usability was incremental |
| 07:22.18 | Arrowmaster | s3a: qt4-qtconfig |
| 07:22.28 | nsadmin | Bushmills: yeah, iceweasel really sux... it leaks memory like a siv |
| 07:22.36 | nsadmin | sieve? |
| 07:22.36 | sonicx | python sucks! |
| 07:22.42 | sonicx | sooo slow |
| 07:22.58 | nsadmin | thank you for sharing :P |
| 07:23.28 | sonicx | like a sink is what you mean i guess. |
| 07:23.28 | s3a | sonicx, why is it slow? would you consider java slow? even with things like JIT compilation? |
| 07:23.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i have to use /etc/hosts to make my clients use short names? |
| 07:23.46 | s3a | Arrowmaster, do i need to restart x or something? |
| 07:23.47 | sonicx | i wouldnt consider java anything ;) |
| 07:24.04 | nsadmin | besides strong coffee... |
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| 07:24.41 | s3a | sonicx, i'm probably biased since all i know well is java but i like java's strict/organized style of coding |
| 07:24.44 | nsadmin | Eryn_1983_FL: you could do it that way I suppose... but |
| 07:24.51 | s3a | and i love the multiplatformness |
| 07:25.15 | s3a | compile once run anywhere i mean |
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| 07:25.34 | nsadmin | ultimately getting the search line into /etc/resolv.conf is what you're asking for |
| 07:25.41 | uwjweq | There are icons missing in synaptic and thunar. I think I deleted some files in /usr/ by accident. Which packet should I install or reconfingure to make it work again? |
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| 07:26.07 | Arrowmaster | s3a: install that and you can run qtconfig-qt4 |
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| 07:26.56 | s3a | Arrowmaster, qt4-qtconfig installation followed by restarting x did not make mnemosyne look sexy |
| 07:27.11 | s3a | it still looks terrible |
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| 07:27.22 | Arrowmaster | define terrible? |
| 07:27.23 | mkad | Hi |
| 07:27.26 | Arrowmaster | is it just the fonts? |
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| 07:27.34 | nsadmin | unproportional? |
| 07:27.35 | s3a | as in grey like windows 95 or older |
| 07:27.39 | Arrowmaster | or is something else wrong |
| 07:27.41 | mkad | I cannot connect to the wireless network, did something happened in sid? |
| 07:27.47 | mkad | network is using channel 12 |
| 07:27.49 | s3a | grey in a ugly way |
| 07:27.55 | s3a | because i like silver etc |
| 07:28.14 | s3a | Arrowmaster, no it's like the backround |
| 07:28.19 | nsadmin | so the grey way is not like a silver day? |
| 07:29.19 | Arrowmaster | s3a: looks like that package uses qt3 |
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| 07:29.32 | Arrowmaster | there is a qt3-qtconfig |
| 07:29.48 | s3a | Arrowmaster, right ahead of you ;) |
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| 07:30.04 | s3a | still ugly, need i restart x? |
| 07:30.13 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt need to |
| 07:30.16 | Arrowmaster | just the program |
| 07:30.20 | s3a | i did |
| 07:30.36 | nsadmin | ugly is in the eye of the beholder... you need to figure out what you want in objective terms |
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| 07:31.05 | Arrowmaster | run the qt3-qtconfig app if you can figure out the name of it or find it in your menus |
| 07:31.12 | s3a | nsadmin, i know what i want because i had it in a previous install, i want it to look as it would on kde or GNOME with whatever qt thing is required |
| 07:31.25 | s3a | i accidentally rm-ed by computer, thankfully i had backups |
| 07:31.34 | s3a | i know that sounds stupid :( |
| 07:31.49 | nsadmin | and restoring those backups didn't fix the problem? |
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| 07:32.04 | s3a | i was cd-ed in a certain directory but for some reaosn something i did was on its way of removing my whole home |
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| 07:32.15 | s3a | well i do selective backing up |
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| 07:32.25 | s3a | as in i only back up mnemosyne files and java programming stuff |
| 07:32.34 | nsadmin | no, it's not stupid at all... you having backups probably puts you at the top 5% |
| 07:32.55 | s3a | i meant the rm actually lol |
| 07:32.58 | nsadmin | so you only back up your original material |
| 07:33.04 | s3a | i only back up what i consider important |
| 07:33.17 | s3a | well |
| 07:33.21 | s3a | very important |
| 07:33.46 | s3a | i was going to back up the other stuff but too late now i guess but it's not so important anyways |
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| 07:34.02 | s3a | it's jsut mnemosyne has soo many important things like languages im learning, formulas for math stuff etc |
| 07:34.08 | nsadmin | so in that case, your worst case solution is to hold onto those backups (or update them now if you altered further), and reinstall |
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| 07:34.45 | s3a | i already restored, it's just files not settings i backup |
| 07:34.54 | s3a | luckily my settings mostly did not change |
| 07:35.02 | nsadmin | settings are in files, probably... |
| 07:35.06 | s3a | (i have a seperate home partition that i just mounted on a re-install) |
| 07:35.17 | sonicx | the moment you "hold on" to backups (especially if non-redundant) , they will BURST into flame and crumblin' bits! |
| 07:35.22 | s3a | nsadmin, i wasn't being technical |
| 07:35.25 | nsadmin | that's a general good idea too |
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| 07:36.07 | nsadmin | sonicx: sounds like you're used to worst-case situations :) |
| 07:36.34 | sonicx | jepp, i am. have like 30% hair left ;) |
| 07:36.41 | s3a | lol |
| 07:36.59 | mkad | any help? |
| 07:37.11 | nsadmin | well shave it and watch the girls' jaws drop :) |
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| 07:38.23 | sonicx | hr |
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| 07:40.28 | s3a | so any ideas for my qt situation |
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| 07:42.31 | s3a | ? |
| 07:42.32 | mkad | Are there any bugs in sid with setting regulatory domain ?/ |
| 07:42.34 | mkad | please help |
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| 07:52.28 | bluegene | mkad, why not have a look at bugs.debian.org |
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| 07:55.24 | s3a | i have kdelibs qt3-qtconfig and qt4-qtconfig installed and it still is ugly |
| 07:55.35 | s3a | but according to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mnemosyne/+bug/465967 all i need is kdelibs |
| 07:56.07 | s3a | (as well as a debian bug that links to that thread - but that one is more informative) |
| 07:57.54 | s3a | the link if someone cares: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589797 |
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| 07:59.49 | nsadmin | s3a: do you remember the names of any of the files you deleted? |
| 08:00.12 | s3a | nsadmin, in relation to my mnemosyne looks issue? |
| 08:00.24 | nsadmin | the stuff in /usr, yeah |
| 08:00.37 | s3a | no, i don't recall unfortunately |
| 08:00.42 | s3a | but according to the link it's kdelibs |
| 08:00.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey is there a way to mke rdesktop copy and past into the remote machine |
| 08:00.51 | s3a | and i know installing kde then removing it would fix this |
| 08:01.49 | s3a | Eryn_1983_FL, vnc can do that |
| 08:02.07 | s3a | sorry not too well informed to say more |
| 08:02.24 | Arrowmaster | s3a: have you tried running the qt3-qtconfig app? |
| 08:02.49 | WaterRatj | is their a way to define a new user all ine one line? instead of useradd name and then follow instructions? |
| 08:03.09 | s3a | isn't that more of a semi-dependency instead of an app? i tried qt3-qtconfig in terminal and it doesn't do anything |
| 08:03.16 | s3a | or is that not what you meant? |
| 08:04.03 | Arrowmaster | its an app but i dont know the name of it, the app in the qt4-qtconfig package is named qtconfig-qt4 for some reason |
| 08:04.49 | s3a | even qt4-qtconfig in a terminal doesn't do anything though |
| 08:05.00 | Arrowmaster | looks like its named qtconfig-qt3 |
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| 08:06.06 | s3a | Arrowmaster, that also looks terrible lol |
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| 08:07.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | can vnc do it with vbox guests? |
| 08:07.40 | s3a | Eryn_1983_FL, i think so but not 100% sure |
| 08:07.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 08:10.17 | s3a | ok im so tired my eyes r gonna drop out |
| 08:10.21 | s3a | it's 4:10am |
| 08:10.29 | s3a | so ya im gonna go |
| 08:10.34 | s3a | bye everyone |
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| 08:11.12 | nsadmin | s3a, |
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| 08:11.55 | nsadmin | perhaps the kde startup logs show file-not-found errors, which potentially could lead to discovering which packages need to be reinstalled |
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| 08:12.29 | s3a | nsadmin, thanks but i'll look into it tomorrow im too tired now |
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| 08:12.45 | s3a | so ya bye for real this time |
| 08:13.57 | foetus | ok. irssi is workin..lets configure squid.. |
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| 08:38.21 | ralfgr | nsadmin: ntpd --help --> -I Str interface Listen on interface |
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| 08:38.36 | ralfgr | ii ntp 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg |
| 08:38.39 | ralfgr | from lenny |
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| 08:39.52 | nsadmin | ralfgr: hmm... ok, |
| 08:40.10 | nsadmin | so the --help differs from what the man page says... |
| 08:40.19 | ralfgr | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448811 |
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| 08:40.51 | nsadmin | what happens if you try running ntpd in the foreground with a server or two and a -I? |
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| 08:41.53 | ralfgr | seems to be nsadmin: no error message, but also no difference |
| 08:42.03 | ralfgr | still listening on all interfaces |
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| 08:42.31 | nsadmin | is the ntpd code in cvs or the like? |
| 08:42.36 | ralfgr | err, "seems to be" was part of an other sentence I want to write |
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| 08:43.21 | ralfgr | nsadmin: hm, I guess so. But the vug report seems clear, that the option does not work in lenny |
| 08:43.37 | nsadmin | so this is actually a known issue |
| 08:44.05 | ralfgr | seems to be |
| 08:44.59 | nsadmin | if you run it with (at least) -n, it will not fork; maybe it will send log stuff to stdout |
| 08:45.32 | ralfgr | 1483 ntpd -g -I eth0 |
| 08:46.10 | ralfgr | so the option is there, but ignored |
| 08:46.47 | nsadmin | I just read about -g, it makes ntpd act to some degree like ntpdate |
| 08:47.02 | ralfgr | no yep |
| 08:47.04 | WaterRatj | I'm trying to run proftpd but my root gives login incorrect even if RootLogin on is defined |
| 08:47.06 | ralfgr | yep |
| 08:47.24 | ralfgr | no more debug info when started in foreground |
| 08:47.29 | nsadmin | WaterRatj: wow... ftp as root? |
| 08:47.46 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: Server isn't accible to the internet |
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| 08:48.04 | ralfgr | seems that I've to live with ntpd listening on all interfaces |
| 08:48.10 | nsadmin | WaterRatj: welll, ok... most people woudl say you -so- never want to do taht |
| 08:48.31 | nsadmin | what is it accessable to? |
| 08:48.54 | WaterRatj | only internal network wich has only two pc's, mi linux box and windows pc ^^ |
| 08:49.16 | nsadmin | any wireless? |
| 08:49.40 | WaterRatj | laptop is, but on other network |
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| 08:50.12 | nsadmin | that other network is behind a router? |
| 08:50.45 | WaterRatj | well i'm not really here for that but to know why I can't login as root even if its defined ^^ |
| 08:51.16 | nsadmin | what do your logs say |
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| 08:52.00 | nsadmin | ralfgr, keep watching that bug number |
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| 08:54.03 | Bushmills | "root defined" doesn't have to mean "correct password entered" |
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| 08:55.38 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: /var/log/proftpd/proftpd.log |
| 08:55.39 | WaterRatj | oeps |
| 08:55.41 | WaterRatj | sc wrong paste |
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| 08:56.17 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: USER root (Login failed): User in /etc/ftpusers |
| 08:57.50 | nsadmin | ok, take a look at that file |
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| 08:58.26 | nsadmin | by the way... when that proftpd is running, can you log in as any other user? |
| 08:59.17 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: yes |
| 08:59.43 | nsadmin | ok, so it looks like it's basically working, but not configured as you want |
| 09:00.02 | WaterRatj | Well I addedd rootlogin in the config file |
| 09:00.53 | nsadmin | ok... when you alter the config file of a daemon, you have to ______ that daemon to get it to reread config |
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| 09:01.34 | nsadmin | there are at least two very different answers |
| 09:02.02 | jelly | "nudge" |
| 09:02.39 | nsadmin | oh, not wink? |
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| 09:03.22 | jelly | you know what I mean... |
| 09:03.42 | nsadmin | say no more, say no more... |
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| 09:04.30 | nsadmin | so far he's doin good, he found his own answer |
| 09:06.10 | WaterRatj | who? me? |
| 09:06.33 | nsadmin | ya, you |
| 09:07.12 | nsadmin | nevermind the partial montypython skit above... |
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| 09:07.32 | WaterRatj | No I din't found, since I was waiting for your two very diffent answers lol |
| 09:07.49 | nsadmin | but you altered the config? |
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| 09:08.35 | WaterRatj | Well I said I added RooLogin on, and can't login as root, wich should work if that is presence |
| 09:09.38 | jacekowski | RootLogin |
| 09:09.48 | jacekowski | and remove root from /etc/ftpusers |
| 09:09.54 | jacekowski | but that's bad idea |
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| 09:10.00 | nsadmin | ok, so: you added the RootLogin thing, what was the very next thing you did? |
| 09:10.12 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: restart proftpd |
| 09:10.19 | nsadmin | jacekowski: he's determined... |
| 09:10.31 | nsadmin | WaterRatj: that's one of the two |
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| 09:11.01 | nsadmin | the other one is find pid of proftpd, then kill -HUP thatpid |
| 09:11.44 | nsadmin | lots of daemons listen to SIGHUP and respond by rereading their config files |
| 09:11.58 | WaterRatj | ah oke |
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| 09:12.23 | bluegene | how can the output of the bootup process be formatted? e.g. similar to grml or other distributions, with the message on the left side and the status of the execution on the right |
| 09:13.24 | nsadmin | WaterRatj, so, no one else uses those two machines? and between your wireless ap and the two machines is at least a router if not also a switch? |
| 09:13.33 | nsadmin | (not a hub)] |
| 09:13.42 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: yes |
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| 09:14.16 | WaterRatj | Seems I can login as root, but gives me not folder just freezes then gives error ^^ lol |
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| 09:14.48 | nsadmin | could you restate that? |
| 09:14.57 | nsadmin | can't quite parse it |
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| 09:16.29 | WaterRatj | Well, Now when I connect to th server with my ftp client says, user root logged in but when trying to fetch the /root folder it keeps hanging then gives connection lost error with can't recieve folderlist |
| 09:17.12 | jpinx | WaterRatj: is it set to allow remote root logins? |
| 09:17.15 | NotInternat | do other users work? |
| 09:17.31 | nsadmin | yes, yes |
| 09:17.58 | nsadmin | jpinx: RootLogin in the config; NotInternat: he said yes earlier |
| 09:18.19 | nsadmin | WaterRatj, ls -ld /root |
| 09:18.45 | jelly | bluegene: you could ask in #grml how they do it. |
| 09:18.50 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2010-08-09 10:07 /root |
| 09:19.20 | nsadmin | hmm, permissions are such that any user can see it |
| 09:20.54 | nsadmin | WaterRatj, ftp in as root, pwd |
| 09:22.06 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: ? I tried to login as root? doesn't work? |
| 09:22.46 | nsadmin | could you use plain ftp client |
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| 09:23.36 | WaterRatj | like? |
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| 09:23.43 | nsadmin | ftp |
| 09:24.22 | jpinx | Eeeww . remote ftp as root ? |
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| 09:25.23 | nsadmin | yeah I tried to tell him... but he says it's not on an exposed machine and he's the only one using the machines on the net in question... there's a wireless, but on a different subnet with a router and possibly switch in between |
| 09:25.44 | bluegene | jelly: good idea. thanks |
| 09:26.18 | nsadmin | WaterRatj, btw... what problem are you solving by being able to ftp in as root? |
| 09:26.50 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: seeying the files from within my windows computer ^^ (its a test linux box |
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| 09:27.28 | nsadmin | just see them? you might be able to do that with some of them |
| 09:28.02 | nsadmin | best reason for having windows... play cool games... |
| 09:28.28 | WaterRatj | and edit files offcourse |
| 09:29.59 | nsadmin | the one problem with that is win and unix/linux have two different text file formats |
| 09:30.30 | sauvin | No, they don't, they just have different EOLs. Easy problem to fix. |
| 09:30.37 | nsadmin | how much space do you have on the win box? would you care to install cygwin and and x server? |
| 09:31.02 | nsadmin | sauvin: we agree in every way except how it was said |
| 09:31.52 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: enought space on my pc |
| 09:32.46 | nsadmin | ok, let me try a different angle... what is the purpose of the linux test box? |
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| 09:33.41 | WaterRatj | nsadmin: test all some sorts of scripts, compiling scripts, just testing my linux scripts |
| 09:34.59 | nsadmin | what if you were to promote the linux "test" box to a linux "box I would use"? |
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| 09:35.22 | nsadmin | or are you willing/ready to do that? |
| 09:36.27 | nsadmin | for example the linux box might make a good file server for the win box if you run samba under linux |
| 09:37.11 | thrashold | If a process is in state D, how do I find what fd it is reading from or writing to? |
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| 09:37.50 | olejorge2b | when I use aptitude to upgrade a singel package with 'aptitude install PKG' the dependency resolver usually suggest 1 or 3 solutions involving package removing, even if a solution with only upgrades exist. Is it possible to have it prefer "only upgrade" solutions. |
| 09:38.22 | nsadmin | you might be able to find out what fds are open... it would be harder to find out which ones are actually active without something like a debugger |
| 09:38.42 | thrashold | Well, I know which are open, but not why the program is crashed. |
| 09:38.49 | thrashold | strace hangs when I try to use it |
| 09:39.16 | nsadmin | so strace gives no output at all? |
| 09:39.24 | thrashold | "Process 30652 attached - interrupt to quit" |
| 09:39.32 | thrashold | That's all (and I can kill it). Nothing more |
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| 09:40.29 | thrashold | And I want to kill process 30652, but I can't |
| 09:40.40 | thrashold | Since it's in state D, and I want to know why |
| 09:41.03 | thrashold | If I don't kill it, I can't start it again |
| 09:41.13 | thrashold | And I would have to reboot the whole system for nothing |
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| 09:41.44 | jelly | thrashold: lsof and guess? |
| 09:41.49 | thrashold | System load is at 1.0, while there is nothing going on, I don't know why is this either. |
| 09:42.08 | jelly | thrashold: that's normal. |
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| 09:42.37 | jelly | normal when one process is waiting on I/O and the system is otherwise idle |
| 09:43.19 | jelly | !tell thrashold about loadavg |
| 09:43.38 | jpinx | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 09:43.39 | dpkg | See <squeeze udev> you may need to upgrade your kernel from bpo first. Then remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 09:44.12 | thrashold | Well, my guess is that it is waiting for inotify, since there is a Oops regarding inotify in dmesg. Can I do something about it? |
| 09:44.41 | nsadmin | dunno... pastebin the oops |
| 09:44.50 | jelly | thrashold: if it's debian stock kernel, file a bug report |
| 09:45.28 | thrashold | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/248347/ |
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| 09:46.33 | jelly | the kernel people will want to know |
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| 10:00.11 | magyar | hi, is there a way to feed a .gz file into tcpdump -r without decompression? |
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| 10:02.26 | nsadmin | does tcpdump read gzipped files? |
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| 10:03.33 | nsadmin | perhaps you could add a feature to tcpdump to function as | zcat | tcpdump |
| 10:03.36 | sterna | hi, when debian checks mysql tables on startup, where does it log the results? |
| 10:04.13 | sterna | it's apparently completed the checks but i'm not sure all the tables are actually clean |
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| 10:05.11 | marcin | Hi, could someone tell me where can I get older version of grsec? I need to get grsecurity patch for 2.6.24 kernel. :/ I can't find anything on grsecurity.net. |
| 10:06.44 | nsadmin | marcin: another source of info might be #kernel-newbies on irc.oftc.net (maybe no hyphen) |
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| 10:08.58 | adac | If I wnat to install this package http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/virtuoso-opensource what url do I have to add to apt sources? |
| 10:10.05 | nsadmin | adac: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:11.39 | jpinx | judd: versions virtuoso-opensource |
| 10:11.41 | judd | virtuoso-opensource -- sid: 6.1.2+dfsg1-1; squeeze: 6.1.2+dfsg1-1 |
| 10:11.53 | jpinx | adac: âââ |
| 10:11.54 | magyar | nsadmin: i guess zcat works for most |
| 10:12.28 | adac | nsadmin, jpinx I see. Thx! |
| 10:12.59 | adac | should be this url deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
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| 10:13.30 | nsadmin | magyar: it's just that when I think of a compressed file being used without uncompressing, I'm in a bind: how can you use the uncompressed content without decompressing? |
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| 10:14.38 | nsadmin | adac: so you'd at least have to be running squeeze... or trying to back port it... which would necessitate looking at its dependencies |
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| 10:15.01 | magyar | nsadmin: yeap, that was a good question |
| 10:15.12 | magyar | more confused than ever |
| 10:15.40 | nsadmin | what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 10:16.08 | nsadmin | that q should focus you more and get you past the confusion |
| 10:16.09 | magyar | nsadmin: am good, the zcat trick you suggested works like a champ |
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| 10:17.31 | alcy | what causes a process to change its pid frequently ? |
| 10:17.32 | nsadmin | ok, I see. so you did not mean: "without any process of uncompressing whatsoever", but you did mean: "without writing an uncompressed version of the file" |
| 10:17.57 | nsadmin | alcy: it terminates, and something starts it again |
| 10:18.24 | nsadmin | but a process does not change its pid |
| 10:19.07 | alcy | nsadmin: facing a problem I fixed yesterday, can't remember how. ok , so I am using runit for service provision, so its likely that my run script is at fault, but usually would I be looking at diagnosing socket control, right ? |
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| 10:19.13 | magyar | nsadmin: uh-huh, some loggers do a tcpdump -w in bin format and compress it with gzip. To go back historically I got to do a gzip -dv to each file. It's a pita |
| 10:19.52 | dels | when executing gem1.9.1 i get this error: http://pastie.org/1083542. i have found this as a reported bug at http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2010-07/msg01155.html but not at bugs.debian.org. should i report it on bugs.debian.org? |
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| 10:20.20 | adac | nsadmin, Ok i see. Yeah well I maybe do install it from source then... to bad that lenny doesn't contain this package |
| 10:20.25 | magyar | nsadmin: zcat was not registering in my brains for some reason unknown :( |
| 10:21.20 | nsadmin | it was probably thinking about what it's like to date jessica alba... |
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| 10:22.30 | nsadmin | adac: or backport it |
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| 10:22.49 | nsadmin | which IME is almost always harder than just building it |
| 10:23.05 | nsadmin | except for simple, degenerate cases |
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| 10:23.26 | magyar | nsadmin: jessica biel |
| 10:23.34 | magyar | -_- |
| 10:23.34 | nsadmin | her too! |
| 10:23.44 | nsadmin | likes alba |
| 10:24.06 | moldovean | dpkg, sex |
| 10:24.07 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
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| 10:24.43 | magyar | eheheeh |
| 10:24.43 | cahoot | funny how things get less amusing with each repetition |
| 10:24.47 | nsadmin | that factoid needs to be updated... dating is ONLY for women you're already boinking! |
| 10:25.07 | magyar | that is a greate pickup line |
| 10:26.12 | nsadmin | lines don't work well any more, except as a way to focus your mind on her instead of on what you say next |
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| 10:28.10 | magyar | i'd say.... let do it again |
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| 10:28.40 | magyar | s/let/lets |
| 10:28.49 | magyar | hard to type with one hand :) |
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| 10:29.05 | nsadmin | lets dooo the tiiime warp agaiiiin |
| 10:29.35 | jelly | ,versions diaphram |
| 10:29.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'diaphram' was found. |
| 10:29.51 | jelly | hm, third party packages |
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| 10:30.18 | magyar | E: Couldn't find package condom |
| 10:30.44 | magyar | use bulk |
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| 10:30.52 | jelly | what is "look"? That command makes no sense. |
| 10:31.14 | jelly | dpkg: factinfo sex |
| 10:31.14 | dpkg | sex -- last modified at Fri Mar 11 21:23:42 2005 by greycat!rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 737 times, last by moldovean, 7m 8s ago. |
| 10:31.34 | Dave2 | NAME |
| 10:31.34 | Dave2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.09 | nsadmin | so it's grep ^ |
| 10:32.17 | adac | nsadmin, well I never did backporting before... so I would need to read how this works then. But yeah would be nice to to that... I'm surely not the only one that needs this package |
| 10:32.34 | nsadmin | waduzido? |
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| 10:36.38 | foetus | oh, i must change the linux channel..these double marks makes me confused.. |
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| 10:38.45 | foetus | ahh.. |
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| 10:40.19 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 10:54.08 | rumbert | Is there some program with which I can have a watch list of buggy processes that tend to go wild and consume all available CPU and where it will notify me or SIGSUSPEND them? |
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| 10:54.42 | rumbert | or same thing with consuming RAM |
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| 11:18.59 | dels | if i su to another user, i always get this error: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key Failed to open the X11 display! any hints how to fix this? everything i have found is related to remote logins |
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| 11:19.39 | abrotman | just doing the su or doing something else? |
| 11:19.47 | abrotman | !tell dels about mit magic cookie |
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| 11:20.25 | Jork | Hello guys. I am new in Debian and I am planing to install it, but wondering how is it posible once system (stable release) is instaled to upgrade it to latest software? |
| 11:20.27 | dels | abrotman: just doing su |
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| 11:21.03 | Jork | and what are advantages in compare to other distributions? |
| 11:21.47 | abrotman | Jork: you really don't .. stable pretty much keeps the same version .. but you can use backports.org |
| 11:21.52 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 11:21.53 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 11:22.38 | kwork | hello, once there was console mail client called pine, how is it called nowdays ? |
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| 11:23.40 | abrotman | kwork: it really isn't .. there is a successor called alpine under a different license/codebase .. that's as close as you'll get |
| 11:23.51 | abrotman | Oh, and there is a "pine mode" for mutt |
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| 11:24.26 | Jork | abrotman: what is backports.org? |
| 11:24.26 | kwork | abrotman: okey thanks |
| 11:24.34 | abrotman | !tell Jork about bpo |
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| 11:33.45 | jelly | ,versions pine |
| 11:33.46 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pine' was found. |
| 11:33.51 | jelly | huh |
| 11:34.07 | cahoot | alpine? |
| 11:34.13 | jelly | ,versions pine-source |
| 11:34.13 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pine-source' was found. |
| 11:34.40 | dxr | Hi, somebody know any application as SpaceWalk for redhat? For management updates of thousand of servers? |
| 11:35.56 | jelly | dxr: that's the RHN web backend re-released as opensource, right? |
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| 11:36.24 | dxr | yes, but it's not supported by debian no? |
| 11:37.20 | jelly | not yet as far as I know |
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| 11:37.39 | dxr | do you know other similar project for debian? |
| 11:37.46 | jelly | dxr: I suppose you've investigated their wiki already, eg. https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/wiki/Deb_support_in_spacewalk ? |
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| 11:37.54 | dxr | yes |
| 11:37.57 | dxr | i red it |
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| 11:38.19 | dxr | "Spacewalk can received DEB package, but unfortunately the clients are not able to get these packages from Spacewalk (this would require some modification to APT as some plugin or similar). " |
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| 11:38.32 | abrotman | !tell cahoot about alpine |
| 11:38.44 | abrotman | cahoot: it's not bad .. it's close enough :) |
| 11:39.24 | jelly | !elm |
| 11:39.25 | dpkg | hmm... elm is the best damn mail reader ever created, with the possible exception of mailx |
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| 11:39.43 | jelly | !factinfo elm |
| 11:39.43 | dpkg | elm -- it has been requested 47 times, last by jelly, 19s ago. |
| 11:39.56 | abrotman | elmo is gone too |
| 11:39.57 | jelly | no creation date? |
| 11:40.03 | jelly | wtf is elmo |
| 11:40.11 | jelly | abrotman: notmuch! |
| 11:40.12 | abrotman | judd: info elmo --release lenny |
| 11:40.13 | judd | elmo (mail, optional): text-based mail-reader supporting SMTP and POP3. Version: 1.3.0-1.2; Size: 184.1k; Installed: 456k |
| 11:40.37 | jelly | !start a MUA war |
| 11:40.38 | dpkg | Alpine sucks! |
| 11:40.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 11:41.15 | jelly | I want something that looks like thunderbird but has mutt keybindings ;-) |
| 11:41.58 | abrotman | there is a mutt plugin for TB IIRC |
| 11:42.19 | abrotman | jelly: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/8637/ |
| 11:42.37 | jelly | hmmm |
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| 11:43.05 | dxr | jelly, FYI landspace is for ubuntu maybe is supported by debian |
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| 11:43.58 | jelly | dxr: are you really looking for a tool supported by debian instead of a tool _supporting_ debian? |
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| 11:44.22 | dxr | supporting ;) |
| 11:44.26 | infinity0 | shall i bother with any of these "integrity-checkers": tripwire samhain aide integrit |
| 11:44.36 | infinity0 | i already have debsums but that only checks dpkg-installed files right |
| 11:44.39 | abrotman | dxr: there are tons of tools, puppet is one, cfengine is another |
| 11:45.12 | dxr | abaddon, thanks, i will search information about that ;) |
| 11:45.22 | abrotman | !beer abaddon |
| 11:45.22 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for abaddon |
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| 11:45.46 | abaddon | hm? |
| 11:45.51 | jelly | abrotman: spacewalk isn't just configuration management; it's also deployment and stuffs |
| 11:46.00 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:46.18 | abrotman | jelly: he didn't say that! |
| 11:46.20 | Posterdati | please how can I make PHP interacts with a c/c++ program under linux? Tx |
| 11:46.34 | jelly | abrotman: no, he asked for spacewalk equivalent |
| 11:46.48 | abrotman | he just said for "management updates of thousand of servers" |
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| 11:46.58 | jelly | think FAI + puppet + nagios |
| 11:47.38 | dxr | yes, abrotman this apps are not my goal, i want a web-based update management for too much servers |
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| 11:48.00 | jelly | dxr: there was a line of enterprise-related talks on this year's DebConf, some of the stuff mentioned there might be useful |
| 11:48.05 | abrotman | dtc? |
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| 11:48.45 | jelly | abrotman: did you ever use rhn.redhat.com? spacewalk is that, just opensauced |
| 11:48.52 | dxr | jelly, do you remember or do you known where i can find what was mentioned about that? |
| 11:49.04 | abrotman | I haven't used RHN in .. i have no idea how long |
| 11:49.21 | jelly | lucky bastard |
| 11:49.23 | abrotman | dxr: they just put up all sorts of videos from DebConf |
| 11:49.32 | abrotman | dxr: http://blog.debconf.org/blog/debconf10/hl_beta_videos_up.dc |
| 11:49.44 | abrotman | dxr: see debconf10.debconf.org to see the schedule |
| 11:49.54 | dxr | i will do thanks |
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| 11:50.19 | jelly | dxr: I don't think they put up the presentations and/or videos up yet, the event was last week |
| 11:50.27 | abrotman | they did! |
| 11:50.30 | jelly | orly |
| 11:50.34 | abrotman | see URL! |
| 11:51.20 | jelly | I did. It still has "video relays" on front page. |
| 11:51.23 | dxr | but thay told anything about exist project similar rhn? |
| 11:52.18 | abrotman | dxr: what exact functions are you looking for? |
| 11:52.33 | dxr | i want a web-based update management for too much servers |
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| 11:53.00 | abrotman | does 'dtc' do that? |
| 11:53.02 | jelly | there were some GOsa² related things |
| 11:53.04 | abrotman | or it's nto the same? |
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| 11:53.28 | jelly | dtc? |
| 11:53.30 | jelly | !dtc |
| 11:53.30 | dpkg | DTC is Domain Technologie Control, a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel - http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html, or apt-cache show dtc-toaster |
| 11:53.35 | abrotman | there's also the uhm .. 'dsh', but it's not web-based, but it can send commands to many machines at once |
| 11:53.45 | abrotman | and/or dish |
| 11:53.56 | jelly | that's not scalable to '000 |
| 11:54.09 | abrotman | i bet he has 20 :) |
| 11:54.23 | jelly | dxr: how many debian clients do you (plan to) have |
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| 11:54.33 | dxr | ~60 |
| 11:54.53 | dxr | and ~180 centos, but i have solution for centos: spacewalk |
| 11:55.20 | jelly | if you extend spacewalk to manage debian stable I'd be grateful ;-) |
| 11:55.58 | abrotman | he really didn't say which features he was looking for .. 'web-based update management' is pretty vague |
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| 11:56.11 | abrotman | he could just use cron-apt and have it do the updates |
| 11:56.25 | dxr | abrotman, no, i want management the updes from web application |
| 11:56.34 | dxr | *updates |
| 11:56.50 | abrotman | writes a wrapper around dsh :) |
| 11:57.48 | dxr | it's like cluster ssh? |
| 11:58.05 | jelly | abrotman: and have nice reports about how many packages need updating, how many security updates are pending, how many failed, which machines need to reboot with newer kernel... |
| 11:58.17 | abrotman | cake! |
| 11:58.23 | jelly | yes. |
| 11:58.30 | abrotman | There are no problems, it's debian! |
| 11:58.38 | dxr | :S ? |
| 11:58.55 | BusMaster | how can I redirect traffic to different ip addresses on my network based on hostnames ? |
| 11:59.07 | jelly | abrotman: stop trying to make me H2O|N>K |
| 11:59.31 | abrotman | use B00Z3 instead ? |
| 12:00.29 | tarzeau_ | jelly: for how many machines? |
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| 12:00.42 | jelly | tarzeau_: <dxr> ~60 |
| 12:00.49 | tarzeau_ | jelly: you know we're using hobbit/xymon for this, works pretty well: http://omniculars.ethz.ch/hobbit/bb2.html |
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| 12:01.14 | jelly | jeez, bb2 still exists? |
| 12:01.27 | tarzeau_ | dxr: we've got like ~200 linux workstations |
| 12:01.41 | dxr | aha |
| 12:01.42 | tarzeau_ | jelly: well it's not bb2 anymore, it's hobbit a free replacement implemented in C |
| 12:01.59 | jelly | and, open source fork/reimplement |
| 12:02.01 | tarzeau_ | dxr: and i'm sure it'll scale up to 1000 |
| 12:02.08 | jelly | s/and/ah/ |
| 12:02.20 | tarzeau_ | jelly: exactly, and officially in debian too including the apt plugin and some other nice things (ircbot) |
| 12:03.08 | jelly | last time I looked, maybe 5-10 years ago, hobbit didn't exactly look robust |
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| 12:04.12 | dxr | jelly, but it is not the same solution that spacewalk no? |
| 12:05.09 | jelly | dxr: I have no idea, ask tarzeau_ |
| 12:05.22 | tarzeau_ | we only use hobbit for the monitoring of the machines and services. we use other tools to maintain/upgrade/fix/install/manage the software on the machines |
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| 12:05.44 | tarzeau_ | dxr: canonical has a solution that looks a bit like spacewalk, but it's not really usable for machines more than 5 |
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| 12:05.54 | dxr | aha which tools do you use for update? |
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| 12:06.05 | jelly | prefers nagios for monitoring |
| 12:06.20 | dxr | me too, nagios r00lz |
| 12:06.44 | tarzeau_ | dxr: we use debian's preseeding for automatic installation over network. and dphys-config for config file distribution and dphys-admin for installing/upgrading software/security updates |
| 12:07.03 | dxr | but it's not web-based no? |
| 12:07.17 | tarzeau_ | jelly: can you show how it looks, and do you have services like on the page i mentioned? |
| 12:07.26 | tarzeau_ | dxr: no it's not web based, of course not |
| 12:07.33 | dxr | :( |
| 12:07.52 | tarzeau_ | dxr: you need a web based gui to run updates ? |
| 12:07.52 | abrotman | fail! |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | tarzeau_: he's been asking for that since he came in .. keep up :) |
| 12:08.10 | qwd | Debian Sid AMD64. Hi, I just plugged in 2tb drive (WD20EARS) and it's showing up as 1tb. What's up with that? |
| 12:08.27 | dxr | tarzeau_, no really but i want install update management and xen management web-based for can check from my mobile |
| 12:08.30 | abrotman | it has a 1TB partition? |
| 12:08.32 | tarzeau_ | dxr: our workstations update themselves, we don't need anything except to check the active monitoring and fix up things when they fail (which they do, sometimes, not often) |
| 12:08.52 | dxr | i can not update autopmatic the servers |
| 12:09.14 | dxr | last week we had a problem with lighttpd 1.2.26 + SSL in centos for example |
| 12:09.17 | tarzeau_ | dxr: i see, sorry i can't help you |
| 12:09.23 | dxr | *1.4.26 |
| 12:09.32 | qwd | abrotman: I'm looking at it from Gnome Disk Utility and it says capacity: 1,0 TB |
| 12:09.33 | tarzeau_ | but centos has nothing to do with #debian ? |
| 12:09.47 | abrotman | qwd: look with fdisk ? |
| 12:09.49 | dxr | debian also has errors sometimes |
| 12:09.59 | abrotman | lies! |
| 12:10.05 | dxr | xDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 12:10.10 | dxr | like ssh keys for example. |
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| 12:10.18 | dxr | ubuntu with kernels some years ago.... |
| 12:10.19 | dxr | etc |
| 12:10.20 | dxr | xD |
| 12:10.39 | jelly | except, ubuntu isn't debian |
| 12:10.46 | dxr | i known :P |
| 12:10.55 | jelly | that's not a good example, then |
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| 12:12.29 | tarzeau_ | dxr: wasn't there a plan to make spacewalk work for debian? |
| 12:12.44 | johntramp | hi. if i increase the nice of a process (gcc) will it still be as quick to complete if i am not doing anything else? |
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| 12:12.45 | tarzeau_ | dxr: i've tried this landscape project of canonical, and if you ask me. it sucked - big time |
| 12:13.12 | dxr | oks, it is very useful for me thanks |
| 12:13.14 | tarzeau_ | johntramp: depends on the exact nice number |
| 12:13.21 | abrotman | johntramp: maybe a tick or two faster, but if the system isn't doing much else, you're not competing for resources anyways |
| 12:13.29 | dxr | about spacewalk i will read the documentation and i will test |
| 12:13.58 | dxr | i dont understand if we can use spacewalk for debian with external repositories or need change apt for reports |
| 12:14.01 | johntramp | increasing the nice gives it a lower priority, right? |
| 12:14.01 | dxr | i need study |
| 12:14.20 | ferr | is there any way to figure out which app/PID is flooding the dns server set in resolv.conf? |
| 12:14.21 | qwd | abrotman: fdisk shows the same |
| 12:14.33 | tarzeau_ | johntramp: increase it by what? -1? 0? 1? |
| 12:14.36 | abrotman | qwd: and another OS? |
| 12:14.46 | abrotman | johntramp: you oculd just do it already |
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| 12:17.38 | qwd | abrotman: I don't have another OS. hdparm -I seems to show it as 1tb too. |
| 12:17.55 | abrotman | sounds like a 1TB drive? |
| 12:18.53 | tarzeau_ | dxr: https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/roadmap |
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| 12:19.15 | qwd | abrotman: no it's definitely 2tb, I looked at when I unpacked it just to make sure they gave me the correct drive :) |
| 12:19.32 | dxr | Due in 5 days (08/15/10) !!!!! wow! |
| 12:19.38 | dxr | thanks abrotman ;) |
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| 12:21.08 | abrotman | qwd: pretty sure a 32bit system can address 2TB .. |
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| 12:23.49 | ferr | any ideas for my question? |
| 12:24.10 | jtheuer | in the rsyslog files what does the - prefix of the logfiles mean? i.e. (local0.* -/var/log/pgsql) |
| 12:24.48 | joltcan | jtheuer: there are different log levels, like info, debug, local etc |
| 12:25.08 | tarzeau_ | ferr: netstat -plunt look for 53 |
| 12:25.10 | joltcan | jtheuer: So that would match the prefix local0.debug etc |
| 12:25.15 | qwd | abrotman: yeah, and I'm using 64 so there shouldn't be a problem. I tried GUID for partitioning instead of MBR but no luck. |
| 12:25.22 | jtheuer | joltcan: I mean the minus char before the logfile |
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| 12:25.51 | elik | One of my computers lost its graphic card. Is there an easy way I could use to get access to it? (I hadn't activated ssh login, so I get connection refused :S) |
| 12:25.52 | jelly | qwd: paste the output of blockdev --getsize64 /dev/yourdisk |
| 12:25.53 | jtheuer | joltcan: some have a minus, some not. I don't understand the difference |
| 12:26.07 | dxr | Spacewalk "PostgreSQL support still does not work. We will need help with moving this forward" ......... |
| 12:26.25 | qwd | jelly1000227396608 |
| 12:26.39 | tarzeau_ | ferr: you know which computer it is? how many users are logged in, or it's some service running on the machine? |
| 12:26.42 | jelly | qwd: that means the kernel detect a 1TB device |
| 12:26.53 | joltcan | jtheuer: if it should be synced or not |
| 12:27.21 | joltcan | jtheuer: i.e. if it should be written to disk after each line (so that you don't loose stuff in a crash) |
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| 12:27.34 | jtheuer | joltcan: thanks! |
| 12:27.44 | joltcan | jtheuer: man syslog.conf |
| 12:27.46 | qwd | jelly: I'm 100% sure it's a 2tb drive though. |
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| 12:28.23 | jelly | qwd: pastebin the output of smartctl -a /dev/yourdisk (add "-d ata" if need be) |
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| 12:29.01 | jelly | qwd: uname -r ? |
| 12:29.06 | elik | My graphic card just died, and I hadn't activated ssh on the machine. I'll like to know what's the simplest way to log onto the machine |
| 12:29.15 | abrotman | qwd: dmesg says it's 1TB too ? |
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| 12:29.26 | jtheuer | joltcan: I use rsyslog and man rsyslog.conf doen't mention "sync". But I found information in the wiki |
| 12:29.34 | abrotman | elik: ctrl-alt-f1, login as root, install ssh server, ssh in remotely |
| 12:29.55 | joltcan | jtheuer: check |
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| 12:30.32 | qwd | jelly: 2.6.32-5-amd64 smartctl -a /dev/sda didn't work. command not found. same result with -d ata |
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| 12:30.44 | elik | abrotman, so just installing ssh will do (aptitude install ssh) |
| 12:30.45 | jelly | qwd: install it. Package smartmontools |
| 12:31.03 | ferr | tarzeau_: yeah, but bind is running on remote server, i have running some app, which does flood the dns server somehow |
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| 12:31.25 | tarzeau_ | ferr: yeah which app? |
| 12:31.45 | tarzeau_ | ferr: what apps do you run? skype? some gnome app? some kde app? |
| 12:31.56 | tarzeau_ | ferr: some browser? |
| 12:32.06 | ferr | no it's a server |
| 12:32.16 | tarzeau_ | ferr: and what does it serve? |
| 12:32.51 | ironm | HI guys :) .. please alow me one question: I would like to customize some .deb packages .. would you recommend to use "apt-src", "debnest" or maybe something different? - thnx in advance for any hints! ;) |
| 12:32.58 | ironm | allow |
| 12:33.15 | jelly | elik: it ought, to, but apt/aptitude like to ask questions when installing stuff. |
| 12:33.26 | tarzeau_ | ironm: which debian packages? and what customizations? |
| 12:33.28 | ferr | tarzeau_: some company stuff, with custom apps mostly |
| 12:33.29 | abrotman | elik: openssh-server is the package you probably really want |
| 12:33.38 | jelly | elik: I'd try something like yes | aptitude -y install openssh-server |
| 12:33.51 | tarzeau_ | ironm: i would recommend getting the source package of the package, change it, and document it in debian/changelog, adapt the version number, build it |
| 12:33.58 | ferr | i can see the connections in tcpdump, but can't get the pid of them |
| 12:33.58 | ironm | tarzeau_: e.g. typo3 makro package with all typo3 subpackages |
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| 12:34.16 | ferr | ofcz i can't stop the apps, cos it's HA |
| 12:34.23 | qwd | abrotman: http://debian.pastebin.com/pD73Qeub dmesg |
| 12:34.29 | tarzeau_ | ferr: get rid of one pid after another until you got it? |
| 12:35.23 | ironm | tarzeau_: I guess it is to special to be interesting for alle debian people .. I would like to use such customized packages for creating of debian live images (.iso / .img) |
| 12:35.38 | tarzeau_ | ironm: using live-helper? |
| 12:35.42 | ironm | yes |
| 12:35.59 | tarzeau_ | ironm: i'd not customize the debs but the chroot... i can show you my example from http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 12:35.59 | qwd | jelly: http://debian.pastebin.com/tV1TFwCK smartctl |
| 12:36.16 | tarzeau_ | ironm: how i do it: http://sid.ethz.ch/gnustep/Makefile |
| 12:36.24 | ironm | great tarzeau_ ! .. :)) |
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| 12:36.49 | qwd | By the way, the sectors on this drive are 4k not 512. Don't know if that matters. But it seems only Windows has a problem with this, not Linux. At least from what I've read. |
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| 12:37.14 | jelly | qwd: alright. Do you see that "User Capacity"? That's the disk firmware reporting its size. |
| 12:37.22 | ironm | tarzeau_: cool !!! |
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| 12:37.48 | tarzeau_ | ironm: what kind of live image do you create? |
| 12:39.18 | ironm | tarzeau_: .iso and .img .. and I would like to use an installer .. to install the Live Image on the harddisk drive |
| 12:39.46 | project2501b | how on earth do you make a beowulf cluster out of debian anyway? nstall debian and then openmpi/lamboot? then exprort a common filesystem and optionionally netboot the rest of the cluster? |
| 12:40.17 | project2501b | i am annoyed. this should not be rocket science |
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| 12:40.21 | tarzeau_ | project2501b: are you sure you need a beowulf cluster? |
| 12:40.33 | abrotman | tarzeau_: he's just asking how |
| 12:40.41 | project2501b | got an smp machine with 144 cores mate? |
| 12:41.00 | tarzeau_ | project2501b: one machine? |
| 12:41.05 | project2501b | "SMP" |
| 12:41.06 | abrotman | project2501b: there used to be a 'debian beowulf' howto |
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| 12:41.40 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBeowulf .. probably a good start |
| 12:41.44 | project2501b | abrotman: yeah, i know. i am paranoid and full of doubts. i know i can do it but i got this fear of the uknown that i do not know everything |
| 12:41.47 | project2501b | call me paranoia |
| 12:42.04 | tarzeau_ | project2501b: it's one machine with many cores? |
| 12:42.19 | jelly | qwd: does the disk label report some other size? It's lying. |
| 12:42.25 | abrotman | project2501b: IIRC, there is also a liveCD for making clusters |
| 12:42.33 | project2501b | tarzeau_: thanks for you rhelp |
| 12:42.42 | project2501b | abrotman: yeah i am using it right now |
| 12:42.57 | project2501b | abrotman: the problem is that now i have to reboot the damn cluster after 18 hours of working on it |
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| 12:43.07 | project2501b | and since it is ramfs, everything gets lost |
| 12:43.08 | ironm | tarzeau_: an EXCELLENT example .. your makefile ... thank you very much! :)) |
| 12:43.19 | tarzeau_ | ironm: welcome |
| 12:43.22 | project2501b | and i am paranoid that i have not backed up everything :P |
| 12:43.27 | abrotman | project2501b: well, start reading the wiki |
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| 12:44.37 | elik | jelly, abrotman, thanks, I think I'll go buy me a graphic card :D |
| 12:44.42 | Ivresur | Hello, My server is blocked when i want to boot in init 2 just after the start of rc, when i boot in init 1 and i exec /etc/init.d/rc 2 i have no error or blocked. I have no error in dmesg or syslog. |
| 12:44.59 | jelly | qwd: I've no idea why the drive would report 1TB size, but it does. Check for weird jumper settings, dunno. |
| 12:45.05 | project2501b | abrotman: yeah. i want to replicate pelican HPC, but do it on my own, basically. i know the individual steps, i just need to make assert myself how they tie together. |
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| 12:45.47 | project2501b | also, 8 intel ssds in raid 0 :D |
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| 12:46.21 | jelly | qwd: I have a 1TB drive from WD nearby (an WD10EARS-00Y5B1), also with 4KiB sectors, and it reports its size correctly. |
| 12:47.56 | project2501b | abrotman: so, in short, i am mostly panicking |
| 12:49.06 | qwd | jelly: the disk label says 2tb, it's a WD20EARS which is supposed to have 2tb. I don't think the label is lying, I'm pretty sure it's just some weird problem. I didn't do anything with the jumper settings. Here's someone with what seems to be the same problem, he solved it by...messing around? |
| 12:50.21 | jelly | qwd: you can always try a newer kernel and see what happens |
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| 12:52.04 | ironm | tarzeau_: can you install your LiveCD image on the harddisk (after starting in Live mode) ? |
| 12:53.03 | tarzeau_ | ironm: *i* can, check the "install" part |
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| 12:53.30 | ironm | tarzeau_: thank you :) .. I mean just to make an hdd install |
| 12:54.12 | ironm | tarzeau_: I am sure if I need an extra live installer to install the content of the live image to the hdd and run it from there |
| 12:54.38 | ironm | I am NOT suer .. |
| 12:54.43 | ironm | sure |
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| 12:55.49 | qwd | jelly: abrotman: I guess I'll send an email to Western Digital and hope they reply asap. Thanks for your help. |
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| 12:56.11 | jelly | qwd: does it work in windowses? :-) |
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| 12:58.04 | qwd | jelly: I don't have Windows so I don't know. But it's supposed to have some problems in Windows due to the 4k sectors so you need drivers for it. |
| 12:58.06 | jelly | qwd: compare: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.utilities.smartmontools.database/233 |
| 12:58.17 | zorrolero | hi, testing-netinst gives me this: "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" ... this is the link for the iso: http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso any hints how to solve this inside the debian-installer? |
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| 12:59.24 | jelly | qwd: the 4KiB thing is mostly a partition alignment issue, it doesn't (shouldn't?) affect size reporting |
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| 13:00.59 | ironm | Guys :) .. is there an easy way to install a local mirror for debian packages? .. like recommended HowTo / tutorial - tnx in adnvance ;) |
| 13:01.22 | zorrolero | btw, any mirror i choose rejects me and in the "syslog" on virtual console 4 appears the above statement... |
| 13:01.36 | jelly | !tell ironm about mirror |
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| 13:01.59 | jelly | ironm: or do you want a cache instead of a full mirror? |
| 13:02.01 | ironm | merci jelly :) |
| 13:02.09 | jelly | !mirror size |
| 13:02.09 | dpkg | To see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture and get information on how to make your own mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size |
| 13:02.32 | amanita_ | 436 GB |
| 13:02.39 | qwd | jelly: too bad I don't have an external drive so I can backup everything and reinstall and stuff. I was going to do that anyway but using this large drive for saving everything. |
| 13:02.44 | ironm | jelly well .. I need a full mirror I guess .. and a private repo for own changed packages |
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| 13:03.18 | kasimon | Hi. When creating a local debian repository for in-house software, should I restrict the sections to main contrib non-free or can I create custom sections? |
| 13:03.23 | jelly | ironm: for a local repo I think the best current practice is using reprepro |
| 13:03.40 | jelly | !tell ironm about reprepro |
| 13:04.00 | project2501b | can i netboot a pre-seeded, netinstall debian image? |
| 13:04.12 | ironm | jelly: great .. I guess it is a .deb package .. I will check it and install |
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| 13:05.03 | abrotman | kasimon: you can make your own if you really want |
| 13:05.26 | kasimon | abrotman: or should I create several distributions? |
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| 13:05.55 | abrotman | kasimon: perhaps you should be less vague in order to get better help |
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| 13:06.16 | Warrior007 | :| |
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| 13:06.37 | kasimon | abrotman: okay. I package in-house software, backported packages from debian and packges created from CPAN software. |
| 13:06.58 | kasimon | abrotman: currently these are all in one repository and I want to split them up. |
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| 13:13.07 | project2501b | can i netboot a pre-seeded, netinstall debian image? |
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| 13:13.17 | project2501b | i should. i just need a yay or a nay |
| 13:13.38 | joltcan | project2501b: Yes |
| 13:13.49 | project2501b | confidence++ |
| 13:13.52 | project2501b | thanks. |
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| 13:14.15 | joltcan | project2501b: Thats how I roll, I hate CD's/USB stuff |
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| 13:14.39 | joltcan | l |
| 13:14.43 | joltcan | oopsie |
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| 13:14.57 | project2501b | joltcan: :D i just need a usb to install the original workstation to netboot the others. |
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| 13:17.46 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. i'd like to exchange the install kernel on a install cd with a newer one. any pointers on how to do that? |
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| 13:18.36 | stew | pluesch0r: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 13:25.05 | moamahi | hi all, I'm a little in trouble, I installed *something* (cannot remember what (!)) for integrating debian with domain, now everytime I try to logon it asks the password twice |
| 13:25.44 | moamahi | I would like to uninstall but cannot figure out how. Any cloue would be appreciate |
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| 13:28.39 | SPF | moamahi: type 'history' to see what you did previously |
| 13:29.13 | moamahi | SPF, thank you going to try |
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| 13:30.28 | jelly | moamahi: also, /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt* |
| 13:30.59 | moamahi | SPF, my command was previus than 502 command ... |
| 13:31.09 | moamahi | jelly, thank you going to try |
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| 13:35.31 | sylar | write error in swapf ile in vim? |
| 13:36.08 | joltcan | sylar: full disk? |
| 13:36.17 | sylar | 57GB free |
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| 13:42.19 | sonicx | somebody know a way to edit a running process's memory under linux? i have a tool to read it, but i cant find a way to change it (without writing something based on ptrace/POKE) |
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| 13:43.09 | KnightStalker | Hello,I want to switch from Ubuntu to Debian,I have backup of /home folder,can I now go for Debian installation? |
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| 13:43.16 | jelly | sonicx: what's wrong with ptrace? It's what debuggers use. |
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| 13:43.47 | sonicx | jelly: so i can use the ptrace binary to do so? i thought id had to use the functions and write something up. |
| 13:43.56 | jelly | sonicx: I mean, use gdb or whatever |
| 13:44.22 | sonicx | KnightStalker: basically yes |
| 13:45.01 | sonicx | jelly: hm... right, gdb could attach to running processes too... ill give it a try |
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| 13:47.32 | abrotman | KnightStalker: sure! |
| 13:48.12 | KnightStalker | okay,so next question,any GUI ndiswrapper for Debian? |
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| 13:48.19 | KnightStalker | if yes,which link I can download it from? |
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| 13:48.44 | sonicx | what you want that for? flash? |
| 13:49.01 | sonicx | there is a ndiswrapper, but i cant remember a gui |
| 13:49.14 | sonicx | but if it exists for ubuntu, it most certainly will for debian |
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| 13:49.37 | KnightStalker | sonicx,well,I need it to install my windows driver(for my wireless card) |
| 13:49.48 | jelly | sonicx: don't be so certain, ubuntu has quite a number of ubuntu-specific tools |
| 13:49.49 | KnightStalker | GUI is available on Ubuntu,yeah |
| 13:49.50 | abrotman | KnightStalker: which wireless ? |
| 13:49.57 | KnightStalker | well,a sec |
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| 13:50.10 | sed` | sonicx: if ptrace PEEK/POKE is too slow, you can attach to the process with ptrace and then, instead of peek/poke, use pread(2), pwrite(2) |
| 13:50.20 | KnightStalker | iWave Port WU210G |
| 13:50.25 | sed` | sonicx: these 2 functions allow you to read/write large chunks of memory at once |
| 13:50.27 | abrotman | does it have a chpiset? |
| 13:50.56 | KnightStalker | hmm,dunno what you mean? |
| 13:51.00 | KnightStalker | but its external :-) |
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| 13:51.14 | sonicx | sed: looking for something that i wouldnt have to write myself ;) |
| 13:51.37 | KnightStalker | abrotman,and I can view it via lsusb |
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| 13:51.46 | sonicx | want to hack this old arcade breakthru clone, no prob on windows, but i never tried it on linux. |
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| 13:52.03 | sonicx | i know the adress in memory and what i want there |
| 13:52.03 | sed` | sonicx: is it a windows program that you're running in WINE? |
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| 13:52.21 | abrotman | KnightStalker: i can't find what chipset it is .. |
| 13:52.26 | sonicx | nono, not same game, but principle. this is a linux-breakthru |
| 13:52.41 | sed` | ok. why don't you modify the source? :D |
| 13:52.48 | abrotman | google has no clue what it is |
| 13:53.03 | sonicx | because! |
| 13:53.16 | sonicx | i want to know how |
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| 13:53.30 | sed` | sonicx: ptrace + pwrite can do that in like 10 lines of C code |
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| 13:53.32 | jelly | KnightStalker: lspci -nn output for it would be nice (if it's a pci/pciexpress card) |
| 13:53.45 | jelly | KnightStalker: there might be native drivers |
| 13:53.57 | sonicx | guess the time i spend searching was more. convinced, ill do my own lill tool for that. |
| 13:54.17 | KnightStalker | jelly,eh,nothing like that on Ubuntu |
| 13:54.29 | jtheuer | Hi, the rsyslog line says "*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog". I want to get rid of the *.* because it seems to catch everything. What should typically go to syslog? |
| 13:54.35 | jelly | KnightStalker: that doesn't mean there aren't any |
| 13:54.40 | sonicx | KnightStalker: lspci exists on ubuntu |
| 13:54.48 | sed` | sonicx: consider looking at /proc/${PID}/maps if you need a listing of mapped memory regions to search through |
| 13:55.11 | abrotman | jelly: he said iut's USB |
| 13:55.19 | KnightStalker | sonicx,I did that But it seems I can not find it :o |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | KnightStalker: do you have the USB ID? |
| 13:55.50 | sonicx | KnightStalker: tried with sudo lspci? |
| 13:56.32 | moldovean | sonicx, lspci don't need sudo |
| 13:56.35 | sonicx | thanks sed - thats a usefull list. |
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| 13:57.00 | sonicx | moldovean: i know it usually doesnt, but who knows. found it strange that it shouldnt exist at all |
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| 13:57.38 | KnightStalker | hmm,the thing is connected,but I can not find it |
| 13:57.43 | KnightStalker | I am just pastebining the result |
| 13:57.53 | KnightStalker | http://pastebin.com/Pewb04Nr |
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| 13:58.27 | lukosanthropos | I'm looking for help with some ssh tunneling (not technically debian specific) does anyone here think they can help me |
| 13:58.36 | KnightStalker | ndiswrapper reports |
| 13:58.38 | KnightStalker | 'prisma02 : driver installed |
| 13:58.39 | KnightStalker | device (09AA:1000) present (alternate driver: p54usb) |
| 13:58.39 | KnightStalker | ' |
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| 13:59.01 | moldovean | , pciid 09AA:1000 |
| 13:59.03 | judd | [09aa:1000] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=09aa:1000 |
| 13:59.16 | KnightStalker | lol -.- |
| 13:59.18 | sonicx | so its an usb device? than its lsusb |
| 13:59.21 | jelly | moldovean: it's usb. |
| 13:59.28 | moldovean | oh, |
| 13:59.37 | KnightStalker | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 09aa:1000 Intersil Corp. Prism GT 802.11b/g Adapter |
| 13:59.56 | project2501b | what is the difference between tftp and tfp-hpa ? |
| 14:00.16 | jelly | KnightStalker: so ndiswrapper already knows p54usb might work with it |
| 14:00.21 | jelly | !p54usb |
| 14:00.21 | dpkg | The p54 drivers provide support for several Intersil ISL38xx wireless LAN chipsets (PCI and USB), included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.24. Firmware is required (not packaged for Debian, BTS #481234), see http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 for installation instructions. The deprecated prism54 driver is disabled in Debian kernel images since 2.6.24. #prism54 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:00.28 | sonicx | project2501b: one comes with a cinnamon-smell! |
| 14:00.33 | project2501b | <3 |
| 14:00.44 | KnightStalker | jelly,yeah |
| 14:00.48 | KnightStalker | I think I also find a GUI |
| 14:00.49 | KnightStalker | found* |
| 14:00.58 | KnightStalker | Thanks a bunch for help,gonna go format now ^_^ |
| 14:01.10 | sonicx | have fun |
| 14:01.12 | sed` | KnightStalker: you don't need ndiswrapper for this device anymore, if i'm not mistaken. http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/P54_USB.html |
| 14:01.33 | sed` | p54usb & the proper firmware should do it |
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| 14:02.03 | moldovean | sed`, that bot just said .. |
| 14:02.07 | sed` | ah yeah |
| 14:02.13 | KnightStalker | ah |
| 14:02.15 | KnightStalker | okay ^_^ |
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| 14:02.33 | KnightStalker | Thanks! |
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| 14:03.05 | project2501b | in the debian wiki, can i recommend a package over an other? |
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| 14:03.36 | sonicx | i am not the only one sitting at work some days and gettin done nothing, am i!? |
| 14:03.53 | sonicx | less irc more coding could help.... |
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| 14:04.00 | project2501b | sonicx: no, i'm with you buddy |
| 14:04.05 | project2501b | i got to bring up 100 nodes |
| 14:04.19 | project2501b | wotking on making the damn netboot/netinst image |
| 14:04.56 | moldovean | project2501a, use fai .. |
| 14:05.02 | sonicx | ah, am a coder, but that even i know. i wound up with a netboot-floppy quite often =) |
| 14:05.04 | jelly | project2501b: if you know one has advantages, please do (and list the reasons) |
| 14:05.34 | project2501b | yeah. that is what i am doing. |
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| 14:06.00 | project2501b | for example: tfpt-hpa is not multi-threaded. so if you try to boot 100 boxes at once, you are screwed. |
| 14:06.16 | project2501b | it blocks, the tftp request times out, and you are sol |
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| 14:08.32 | sonicx | project2501b: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tftp-server/ something like this |
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| 14:09.50 | KnightStalker | Hmm,it says a non-free network hardware driver is needed |
| 14:09.57 | sonicx | thats ok |
| 14:10.03 | KnightStalker | and it says its isl380usb |
| 14:10.04 | sonicx | your gpu has a non-free driver 2 |
| 14:10.08 | KnightStalker | 3890* |
| 14:10.09 | sonicx | hmkay.... |
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| 14:10.19 | KnightStalker | oh so its my GPU? |
| 14:10.23 | sonicx | nono |
| 14:10.36 | sonicx | i thought youd stagger because of the "non-free" |
| 14:10.54 | KnightStalker | yeah,I know it doesn't mean it needs money :p |
| 14:11.03 | KnightStalker | its just not open source |
| 14:11.07 | KnightStalker | but I actually mean,what that is? |
| 14:11.11 | qwd | 2tb hard drive (WD20EARS) showing up as 1tb on Debian Sid AMD64. I just checked BIOS and it shows up as 1tb there as well, could it be something with BIOS? |
| 14:11.13 | KnightStalker | The driver I mean |
| 14:11.22 | sed` | you will burn in proprietary hell |
| 14:11.27 | sonicx | right. but the isl380usb seems to be for that p54usb |
| 14:11.31 | KnightStalker | ah |
| 14:11.37 | KnightStalker | so how to fix this issue? |
| 14:11.42 | Ironhand | I'm a little confused; if I install the "kvm" package in Lenny, is it functionally identical (other than specific version numbers) to "qemu-kvm" from squeeze or backports? or does qemu-kvm offer different functionality? |
| 14:11.45 | sonicx | dont, just install it |
| 14:12.04 | jelly | qwd: are there _any_ jumpers on it at present? |
| 14:12.09 | sonicx | its just to tell you that its "non-free", not that that theres "real" problem |
| 14:12.12 | KnightStalker | sonicx,it says,it can be loaded from a removable media |
| 14:12.30 | KnightStalker | doesn't seem its just like 'install it' |
| 14:12.40 | KnightStalker | it asks me if I have such media,I should put it |
| 14:12.42 | sed` | Ironhand: at least on sid, kvm is just a meta-package that pulls in qemu-kvm |
| 14:12.48 | sonicx | thats too bad, with the gpu driver it is. |
| 14:13.10 | jelly | qwd: there's ##hardware for hardware questions; see if someone there has a clue. Show them your smartctl output |
| 14:13.11 | KnightStalker | sonicx, :( |
| 14:13.17 | KnightStalker | so no ways for fix? |
| 14:13.41 | solifugus | What is normally used to notify the admin when partitions are filling up? (like especially /tmp) |
| 14:13.41 | sonicx | read here http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/PrismFirmwares.html |
| 14:13.48 | sonicx | i think you can get it too work |
| 14:13.52 | sonicx | with a little work |
| 14:13.53 | jelly | qwd: but if the drive reports 1TB even via SMART, there's not much you can do in normal ways |
| 14:13.54 | sonicx | =) |
| 14:13.57 | Ironhand | sed`: thanks... still unclear on the situation on Lenny though as there is no 'qemu-kvm' there outside of the backports archive |
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| 14:14.05 | sonicx | also this: http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/ |
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| 14:14.58 | sonicx | id guess you have to fetch the firmware and place it in a certain spot and not much more |
| 14:15.08 | KnightStalker | ah |
| 14:15.14 | KnightStalker | http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/PrismFirmwares.html => which one? |
| 14:15.22 | KnightStalker | sorry,never tried loading a driver |
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| 14:21.07 | KnightStalker | I just clicked next,It seemed it installed it but in next page,there wasn't anything about my wireless driver |
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| 14:21.26 | KnightStalker | I'll just use ndis =( |
| 14:21.58 | sonicx | hm, i dont have much knowledge here. guess id pick p54u_2.5.8.0.* on http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/data/firmwares/ . but maybe your better off trying it with ndiswrapper |
| 14:22.30 | sonicx | or... wgusb54g_fw.bin |
| 14:22.36 | sonicx | yeah, that sounds more like it |
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| 14:27.01 | danols | are security patches applied against unstable branch ? as in this note here http://lwn.net/Articles/126285/ |
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| 14:30.21 | gnarface | danols: correct, security patches are not as such provided for anything other than stable |
| 14:30.48 | gnarface | the way i understand it though is that stable has the distinction that security patches are the ONLY updates |
| 14:31.50 | gnarface | with testing and unstable security patches may be added as a normal course of development, but since features are also being added (and other bug-fixes being applied) there's no guarantee that more vulnerabilities aren't being introduced in the process |
| 14:32.33 | danols | is it safe to assume that testing is more stable than unstable packages ? |
| 14:32.51 | gnarface | no |
| 14:32.57 | gnarface | not always |
| 14:33.08 | gnarface | but first to have this conversation we have to redefine "stable" |
| 14:33.09 | danols | in that note it says testing dosen't get security updates but you are saying testing also gets security updates ? |
| 14:33.15 | danols | gnarface: please do |
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| 14:33.47 | gnarface | in debian context, "stable" refers to a low rate of CHANGE on packages - which only indirectly contributes to actual system stability on a whole, as an average across all systems |
| 14:33.59 | qwd | I think I solved my problem with the 2tb drive showing up as 1tb! It might work after updating BIOS. The problem now is, how do I update my BIOS with a .exe file from Debian? |
| 14:34.24 | gnarface | danols: so many people - especially people with bleeding-edge hardware, find that "unstable" grants them more actual system stability, even though the packages are in near constant flux |
| 14:34.34 | danols | qwd: it's prob a dos file boot disk? usb boot disk? |
| 14:34.56 | gnarface | danols: in fact, perhaps BECAUSE the packages are in near-constant flux - because hardware-specific bug fixes are coming through much faster |
| 14:35.06 | danols | gnarface: ok |
| 14:35.10 | themill | I've not seen an announcement that testing-security support is started, but that's normally a precondition for freezing. Has testing-security support started yet? |
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| 14:35.52 | jhutchins_lt | Is there any updated documentation for bluetooth? |
| 14:35.55 | gnarface | danols: however, squeeze has been officially frozen, so you may find that going forward from here out squeeze may be nearly as stable as "stable" for you |
| 14:35.59 | gnarface | themill: i have no idea |
| 14:36.08 | danols | gnarface: my scenario is running debian on VPS - actually I already am but had to mix some stable + testing packages |
| 14:36.22 | gnarface | danols: scary! |
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| 14:36.28 | danols | gnarface: why ? |
| 14:36.33 | danols | gnarface: clarify |
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| 14:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Actually, squeeze is not stable just because it's frozen. It still has ~300 bugs keeping it back from release, and that doesn't count new bugs in the last round of updates before the freeze. |
| 14:37.11 | danols | gnarface: sorry be right back - phone |
| 14:37.13 | gnarface | danols: they don't really like being mixed. that's not a tested path. in the future i'd recommend trying backports to stable, first |
| 14:37.13 | qwd | danols: Ah, hope so. Thanks! |
| 14:37.23 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Additionally, fixing major bugs has been known to cause instability itself. |
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| 14:37.41 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: squeeze is still a moving target, still has serious bugs, and is by definition not stable. |
| 14:37.43 | danols | gnarface: backports to stable? |
| 14:37.55 | danols | what do you mean by that |
| 14:37.56 | danols | brb |
| 14:37.57 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: thanks for the clarification. |
| 14:38.06 | gnarface | !tell danols about backports |
| 14:38.32 | jhutchins_lt | danols: You can also backport individual packages yourself, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Mixing releases can cause dependency changes that break existing subsystems. |
| 14:39.03 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i see the distinction, but i did say "may" as a qualifier ;-P |
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| 14:40.13 | gnarface | danols: for what it's worth i've almost always had more luck with unstable than testing, and always had more luck with unstable than stable except on hardware 2 or more years old |
| 14:40.55 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: It has been getting better, and it seems the devs are far more attentive to backports for popular hardware. |
| 14:41.10 | jhutchins_lt | lenny's pretty solid. |
| 14:41.33 | jhutchins_lt | ... although I'm having trouble with bluetooth on it, due to docs != current packages. |
| 14:41.43 | gnarface | it runs great on my p2 and p3 systems :) no usb on those things though |
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| 14:47.07 | gnarface | how come all my /dev/hd* entries changed names to /dev/sd* and /dev/sr* - that's on purpose? |
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| 14:48.01 | cahoot | libata entering then scene? |
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| 14:48.16 | gnarface | is that what it is? |
| 14:48.32 | themill | !libata |
| 14:48.32 | dpkg | libata is a Linux library supporting ATA controllers and devices. Devices handled by libata appear as SCSI devices with associated device names: 'sd' (hard drive, instead of 'hd'), 'sr' (optical), 'st' (tape). The old IDE (PATA) drivers are replaced with libata in Debian kernel images as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10, see /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.32-*5*/NEWS.Debian.gz. http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_FAQ . See also <uuid>. |
| 14:48.40 | cahoot | you upgraded your kernel - no? |
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| 14:49.08 | gnarface | yea, that would be why |
| 14:49.33 | gnarface | it was just unexpected - i liked that ide was easily differentiated by scsi/scsi generic by being "hd" instead of "sd" |
| 14:49.47 | gnarface | now i can't tell my ide drives from my usb drives |
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| 14:50.04 | cahoot | use uuids? |
| 14:50.12 | gnarface | oh i'm using them |
| 14:50.16 | gnarface | but it's not like that's a solution |
| 14:50.24 | cahoot | perhaps not |
| 14:50.28 | the-dude | n |
| 14:50.43 | gnarface | cause in no fucking possible world is /dev/hda1 harder to find than UUID={f930u8r32ljc,kdfjksd;ajfv9d90fiuj3k23i;hj9o23j0c32jflrj3j2lku9j32032jkl32mn23lk32uj93jvkljdlkjf90d09sd90} |
| 14:51.13 | themill | it is when you go and plug another hard disk into the same box |
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| 14:51.30 | tabris | gnarface: typically the answer is to not use /dev/disk/by-uuid/foo but /dev/disk/by-label/foo |
| 14:51.33 | jelly | gnarface: LABEL=meow is an acceptable middle ground |
| 14:51.40 | gnarface | i guess i'll have to figure that part out, since the behavior is all new |
| 14:52.24 | gnarface | i had pretty good control over drive orders so i didn't have any problems with the old method |
| 14:52.37 | tabris | gnarface: there is also by-id... it's specific, and _almost_ human readable. But I still prefer by-label |
| 14:52.42 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Part of this is the transition from /dev/hda to /dev/sda |
| 14:52.48 | gnarface | i don't even know how to FIND a UUID unless some script in dist-upgrade finds it for me |
| 14:52.58 | tabris | gnarface: plz, look in /dev/disk/by-label/ |
| 14:53.01 | jhutchins_lt | Which I see you know. |
| 14:53.01 | cahoot | blkid |
| 14:53.21 | tabris | gnarface: they're symlinks to the regular /dev/sdXN |
| 14:53.51 | tabris | gnarface: and there's also /dev/disk/by-path/ which is a bit overly done, but can work for your first go-round to identify your discs. |
| 14:54.00 | gnarface | oh i see |
| 14:54.03 | gnarface | there is also a by-uuid |
| 14:54.08 | gnarface | that's handy |
| 14:54.23 | gnarface | the recommended one to use for fstab is uuid? or can i put by-path entries in there instead? |
| 14:54.38 | jhutchins_lt | Can anybody point me to current bluetooth resources? The wiki is out-of-date compared to the available binaries. |
| 14:55.01 | tabris | gnarface: the point of by-label and by-uuid is that even if you actually intentionall change how the drives are laid out in teh system, they can still be found. |
| 14:55.09 | tabris | gnarface: by-path will change depending on how you have things plugged in |
| 14:55.22 | gnarface | by-label and by-uuid will not though? and they're interchangeable in fstab? |
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| 14:55.46 | tabris | gnarface: the only problem with by-label is that the labels are not _guaranteed_ unique... that's up to the user to guarantee |
| 14:55.56 | tabris | gnarface: hence UUID. Universally Unique ID |
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| 14:56.10 | stew | fsvo universe |
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| 14:56.33 | tabris | stew: true. otoh, 128 bits is relatively good guarantee |
| 14:56.49 | michalxo | uaaa, how was taht !kernel !image for dpkg to show versions? |
| 14:57.01 | gnarface | tabris: thanks, i can work with this. it was just a rude awakening |
| 14:57.03 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 14:57.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 14:57.29 | michalxo | thank you! |
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| 14:59.05 | FabParma | I am installing Debian Lenny (5.0.5) amd64 stable -netinst- I ready to choose the file system, I searched on Debian but there is not a guide to help to choose the better for each user. I would like to try the fastest fs but i don't what to do |
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| 14:59.44 | stew | FabParma: when in doubt, use ext3 |
| 14:59.48 | bezaban | FabParma: what kind of machine is it? just regular? |
| 14:59.52 | bezaban | and what stew said |
| 14:59.58 | gnarface | tabris: how does it figure out by-label? does it just generate those based on whatever they were mounted as at boot time? what if they were not mounted? no label or does it just guess or something? |
| 15:00.17 | moldovean | stew, wb ;) |
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| 15:00.36 | stew | :) |
| 15:00.55 | gnarface | FabParma: the fastest filesystem is probably reiserfs unless you're dealing with lots of large files |
| 15:01.15 | stew | "fastest" depends on what operation you want to consider |
| 15:01.30 | stew | and if you want to consider time lost while fixing reiserfs filesystem corruption |
| 15:01.37 | FabParma | i made a normal desktop use |
| 15:01.46 | moldovean | ext3 |
| 15:01.46 | gnarface | well file creation/deletion/move operations for reiserfs blow the doors off everything else at <4KB or so |
| 15:01.50 | FabParma | *i do |
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| 15:01.59 | gnarface | and reiserfs hasn't been *bad* since YEARS ago. it's just as reliable as ext3 now |
| 15:02.02 | stew | FabParma: for normal desktop use, the speed of the filesystem won't be noticable |
| 15:02.22 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: for desktop use you will barely see any difference in speed of your filesystem |
| 15:02.27 | tabris | gnarface: a) the label is part of the FS superblock... often set during mkfs |
| 15:02.28 | jelly | gnarface: I wouldn't wish reiserfs on my enemy. Backup is required since fsck is extremely slow. |
| 15:03.01 | jacekowski | reiserfs is the most reliable fs |
| 15:03.03 | gnarface | jelly: really? when i hard shutdown it never takes more than a few seconds per half-terabyte ... |
| 15:03.12 | jacekowski | there is no way to damage whole fs as such |
| 15:03.17 | jacekowski | you may wipe parts of tree |
| 15:03.38 | jacekowski | but only way to wipe whole fs would be wiping everything |
| 15:03.42 | tabris | jacekowski: just remember to never have a loopback mounted reiserfs inside a reiserfs, and then run reiserfsck |
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| 15:03.49 | jelly | gnarface: also, I don't know if they fixed the permanent performance degradation if you fill it to 92-93%, and I don't intend to find out. |
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| 15:04.03 | jacekowski | tabris: that's old FUD |
| 15:04.04 | ZNC-Titan | hello |
| 15:04.05 | stew | i don't think I've ever seen someone try to claim that reiserfs was more reliable than X before |
| 15:04.08 | tabris | jacekowski: not really. |
| 15:04.16 | jacekowski | tabris: that problem was fixed years ago |
| 15:04.17 | ZNC-Titan | how can I put the iso on my usb flashdrive, and boot from it? |
| 15:04.18 | FabParma | stew: my syste is a celeron dual core 2 ghz, mb asrock intel g31, ram kingston value 4 gb and video adaptr ati radeo 4650 . hd 250 maxtor stata 2 |
| 15:04.24 | jpinx-eeepc | FabParma: see what you started? - stick with ext3 ;) |
| 15:04.26 | tabris | jacekowski: it really _could_ cause problems, b/c the FS doesn't store the fs UUID inside the nodes. |
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| 15:05.01 | ronr | hi, I'm trying to build a 32 bit vserver on my 64 bit debian machine using vserver <server> build ..... -- -arch i386 (as described in the docs), but it immediately dies claiming it can't open /etc/apt/sources.list (when building a 64 vserver, everything works as expected), what am I missing here? |
| 15:05.03 | tabris | jacekowski: I was a reiserfs user for a long time. I liked it. I'm not saying it' a bad FS. just you gotta know what it is. |
| 15:05.09 | gnarface | tabris: that's interesting, mine all seem to correlate to mount points. \x2fhome \x2fusr, etc. what would i expect them to look like for something that was never mounted before mkfs was called? |
| 15:05.23 | tabris | gnarface: it's not about the 'never mounted' |
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| 15:05.31 | FabParma | with my hw config the fastes one it is always the ext 3? |
| 15:05.32 | tabris | gnarface: they were set at creation time for you |
| 15:05.51 | jacekowski | tabris: well, at my home pc i had reiserfs on quite big LVM |
| 15:05.52 | tabris | gnarface: and you _cannot_ mount a partition before mkfs |
| 15:05.56 | jacekowski | tabris: one hdd died |
| 15:06.02 | abrotman | FabParma: ultimately, you would have to do benchmarking yourself, but in general, ext3 is plenty fast enough for most situations |
| 15:06.04 | gnarface | tabris: i'm just trying to figure out how they match my mount points... how did it figure that out? |
| 15:06.08 | moldovean | ZNC-Titan, /msg dpkg usb install |
| 15:06.08 | FabParma | stew: with my hw config the fastes one it is always the ext 3? |
| 15:06.13 | tabris | gnarface: it didn't figure it out |
| 15:06.19 | jacekowski | tabris: after bit of trickery with lvm to replace it with new zeroed hdd |
| 15:06.29 | gnarface | tabris: must have been set by the debian installer? |
| 15:06.33 | tabris | gnarface: plz read again what I said. I said that the labels were applied when the FS were created |
| 15:06.39 | stew | FabParma: with any hardware config, unless you are doing something specific like creating LOTS of little files or lots of very large files |
| 15:06.40 | jacekowski | tabris: i've fscked filesystem and well, it was still working after that |
| 15:06.40 | tabris | gnarface: yes. d-i |
| 15:06.49 | jacekowski | tabris: just part of data on hdd that died was gone |
| 15:06.50 | gnarface | tabris: yea i get that, but i thought like... i made this disk with fdisk |
| 15:07.18 | stew | FabParma: for "normal desktop use". you aren't going to notice a difference. So use the most well tested, which is ext3 |
| 15:07.19 | tabris | gnarface: fdisk didn't set the labels anyhow. |
| 15:07.40 | tabris | jacekowski: a lot of FSs can do that... and i'm not saying it's not a good thing. |
| 15:07.46 | jelly | jacekowski: we used reiserfs 2000-2004 or so, and got rid of it after a 72 hour long fsck. |
| 15:07.49 | tabris | jacekowski: but it doesn't change my comments either. |
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| 15:07.53 | gnarface | tabris: so the question is if i put a new drive in there, and just called fdisk then mkfs.something on it without any options - would it have no label then not show up in the by-labels directory or would it make something up? |
| 15:08.00 | jacekowski | jelly: how big was the filesystem? |
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| 15:08.09 | jelly | jacekowski: something like 400GiB |
| 15:08.13 | jacekowski | jelly: because full rebuild of 1T filesystem takes less than 2h |
| 15:08.16 | tabris | gnarface: i dunno. but you could just use mkfs.xfs --label LabelYouWantHere |
| 15:08.30 | jelly | it didn't in 2003 |
| 15:08.33 | jacekowski | xfs is like a /dev/null with a delay |
| 15:08.42 | FabParma | abrotman: so at bootinf and executing applications the file system is not so important for speed. it is only if i use the volume to move many small files or big one? it is right? |
| 15:08.44 | tabris | gnarface: mkfs.ext3 supports it too... probably most of the mkfs tools do |
| 15:08.51 | jelly | jacekowski: how many files? |
| 15:09.00 | jelly | jacekowski: this was ~1E7 files |
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| 15:09.03 | tabris | jacekowski: now I know you're full of shit. |
| 15:09.07 | FabParma | *at bootstrao and startup |
| 15:09.09 | project2501b | how do you enable routing between two interfaces in debian? |
| 15:09.17 | project2501b | add a route between the two? |
| 15:09.19 | FabParma | *bootstrap |
| 15:09.28 | abrotman | FabParma: the only reason most people would want something else is *millions* of small files, or thousands of *large* files |
| 15:09.34 | tabris | jacekowski: esp as that used to be reiserfs's reputation. |
| 15:09.39 | abrotman | project2501b: man route? |
| 15:09.41 | jarick | project2501b: Don't forget to turn on ip_forwarding. |
| 15:09.52 | abrotman | jacekowski: they fixed that issue with XFS |
| 15:09.58 | abrotman | and it wasn't just XFS |
| 15:10.01 | jacekowski | tabris: nah, xfs was designed to work on dedicated machine with irix |
| 15:10.07 | tabris | jacekowski: yes. I know. |
| 15:10.09 | FabParma | abrotman: thaks to you and stew: |
| 15:10.10 | tabris | jacekowski: tell me something I don't know. |
| 15:10.11 | jacekowski | tabris: with powerfail interrupt |
| 15:10.16 | project2501b | jarick: looking |
| 15:10.24 | jelly | it's possible reiserfs works better with large files, but it was absolutely horrible as a mail store |
| 15:10.33 | themill | wonders if we should have #lets-all-pretend-we-know-about-filesystems |
| 15:10.41 | jacekowski | reiserfs is perfect filesystem for mailstore |
| 15:10.41 | abrotman | because they don't? |
| 15:10.54 | abrotman | jacekowski: those issues were fixed years ago, stop the FUD |
| 15:10.57 | jacekowski | if you care about storage efficiency |
| 15:10.59 | jelly | jacekowski: it was an utter failboat. |
| 15:11.04 | tabris | jacekowski: bullshit. it's space efficient, sure. but it's also slow as hell on millions of tiny files, due to tailpacking |
| 15:11.19 | tabris | jacekowski: hence why so many vendors turned on notail by default |
| 15:11.26 | abrotman | !ot |
| 15:11.26 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | shuffles them all to #debian-offtopic for the extended conversation |
| 15:12.00 | jacekowski | way how ext3 handles big files is horrible |
| 15:12.12 | abrotman | Done yet? |
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| 15:12.39 | tabris | abrotman: i'd be perfectly happy with this FS flamewar merely being over. it's hardly gonna produce any new information. |
| 15:12.44 | jacekowski | esspecialy when you try to delete one |
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| 15:12.49 | abrotman | then just stop it .. you don't have to keep answering |
| 15:13.08 | tabris | abrotman: I did, after you put up the !ot flag |
| 15:13.16 | abrotman | Thanks, have a nice day! |
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| 15:14.35 | project2501b | hm do i need to turn on NAT if i am doing routing between two networks? |
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| 15:15.20 | gnarface | didn't mean to start a flame war |
| 15:15.23 | jarick | project2501b: iptables |
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| 15:15.37 | project2501b | jarick: yeah, but i i *need* ip tables? |
| 15:15.45 | project2501b | i would rather not bother |
| 15:15.49 | stew | project2501b: only if you need to nat one to the other, you do need to turn on ip_forward which you can do in /etc/sysctl.conf (after which you should run (sysctl -p) |
| 15:16.23 | project2501b | stew: cool. this is an internal network. our mighty central IT team is watching over the network |
| 15:16.40 | gnarface | project2501b: well there are alternatives, but iptables is the one that's the best tested in linux currently. you could also do this on openbsd with pf (or presumably on pf in debian now too but i'm not sure how well that works) |
| 15:16.47 | project2501b | i will need to drop all dhcp packets, or make dhcpd listen only on one interface |
| 15:17.02 | jacekowski | iptables |
| 15:17.13 | project2501b | gnarface: the question is do i need a firewall. not which one. |
| 15:17.15 | stew | project2501b: are machines on one side of you or the other going to have you as their gateway for the network on the other? |
| 15:17.19 | stew | project2501b: or are you intending to bridge? |
| 15:17.29 | project2501b | stew: no 1. |
| 15:17.38 | stew | what? |
| 15:18.00 | project2501b | i mean, network -> beowulf head node -> rest of beowulf cluster |
| 15:18.33 | stew | i'm not sure if that is supposed to answer my questions |
| 15:18.36 | jacekowski | then setup dhcp to listen on one interface |
| 15:18.38 | jacekowski | that's all |
| 15:18.42 | jacekowski | nothing hard nothing speccial |
| 15:18.44 | jacekowski | special* |
| 15:18.54 | project2501b | jacekowski: yeah that is what i am thinking. |
| 15:19.03 | abrotman | Why does that need NAT again ? |
| 15:19.09 | project2501b | it doesn't |
| 15:19.34 | stew | project2501b: is this machine going to be acting as a gateway or a bridge? |
| 15:19.43 | jacekowski | project2501b: go and do it |
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| 15:20.03 | project2501b | um, i do not quite remember the difference. i just want to be able to download packages for the rest of the cluster straight from the damn repo instead of copying them manually. |
| 15:20.13 | project2501b | diff gateway bridge |
| 15:20.24 | lost_soul | !dpkg apt |
| 15:20.25 | dpkg | [APT] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 15:20.26 | project2501b | i think that is bridge mode. |
| 15:20.28 | jacekowski | gateway then most likely |
| 15:20.34 | project2501b | ok |
| 15:20.41 | project2501b | still turn on ip_forwarding |
| 15:20.45 | jacekowski | bridge is like a switch but more clever one |
| 15:20.46 | project2501b | just not set up any firewall rules. |
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| 15:21.39 | moldovean | project2501a, who put in your hands a beocluster ? |
| 15:21.47 | stew | project2501b: bridge is "copy all the packets from one side to another blindly without inspecting them", router is "i'm a gateway, packets are headed to me specifically, since they have me as their default gateway, I send the packets farther up the stream to my default gateway" |
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| 15:22.27 | stew | project2501b: what are the network/netmask addresses of the two subnets you are connecting? |
| 15:22.32 | jordanm | most bridges these days are marketed as layer 2 "switches", if that helps to clear up |
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| 15:23.14 | marshallmc | depends what kind of bridge i suppose |
| 15:24.41 | marshallmc | what does "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" mean |
| 15:25.01 | moldovean | !key |
| 15:25.01 | dpkg | Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest GPG key used to sign the Debian archive. |
| 15:25.14 | marshallmc | ty |
| 15:25.24 | moldovean | marshallmc, yw |
| 15:25.53 | project2501b | strew: gateway |
| 15:25.54 | marshallmc | hmm it says debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. does that mean i should install a new key? |
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| 15:26.38 | abrotman | marshallmc: possible your mirror had a bad sync .. it would help if you used a pastebin to give us the full message |
| 15:26.45 | stew | project2501b: what is the network/netmask address of the downsteam side then? |
| 15:26.49 | project2501b | stew: eth0: 10.11.12.0/24 eth1: 10.68.26.0/16 |
| 15:26.57 | jordanm | marshallmc: you also have to update after installing the key |
| 15:27.09 | gnarface | abrotman: if a key was just changed, couldn't it take like 24 hours for a sync to even happen? |
| 15:27.10 | project2501b | stew: eth1: 10.68.26.0/16 |
| 15:27.15 | project2501b | i think. |
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| 15:27.28 | project2501b | that the school-facing ethernet |
| 15:27.37 | project2501b | ooh. that makes it upstream |
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| 15:27.48 | project2501b | stew: eth0: 10.11.12.0/24 |
| 15:27.52 | project2501b | ^-- downstream |
| 15:28.04 | marshallmc | http://pastebin.com/G4cbTRQ7 |
| 15:28.45 | marshallmc | using http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 15:29.11 | stew | so then the question on whether or not you need to nat depends on whether or not your upstream router on the 10.68.0.0/16 network is willing to route packets for 10.11.12.0/24 |
| 15:29.15 | stew | project2501b: ^ |
| 15:29.18 | jordanm | marshallmc: and you ran aptitude update after installing your the keyring? |
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| 15:30.08 | stew | and since 10.11.12.0/24 is not containned in 10.68.0.0/16, my guess would be that it wouldn't, but that's really a guess |
| 15:30.09 | project2501b | stew: yeah, i was seeing that. i am afraid that 10.11.12.0/24 might be used somewhere else in the school |
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| 15:30.11 | marshallmc | looks like its good now |
| 15:30.20 | marshallmc | must have just had to do aptitude update |
| 15:30.28 | marshallmc | ty for your help |
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| 15:30.39 | lost_soul | !dpkg rar |
| 15:30.39 | dpkg | [rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 archives (the most common archive version), use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 archives. Install the rar package to create archives. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 15:31.37 | jordanm | it is non-free crap, but "the worst archive format ever"?? I have seen stats of RAR compression out-doing lzma... |
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| 15:33.24 | stew | at least lzma doesn't cost money to create |
| 15:33.25 | FabParma | if someone is interesting on file system testing here there is a source apparently affordable http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz |
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| 15:34.56 | stew | what the heck is the "total free space" thing supposed to be telling me? |
| 15:35.17 | stew | hopefully not "how much free space after creating a filesystem" since those aren't comparable |
| 15:35.32 | stew | since in one case you have all the inodes already allocated, and in the other case you don't |
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| 15:35.47 | marshallmc | how do i manage ssh sessions on my box, as in see how many are running and terminate ones that don't need to be connected |
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| 15:36.21 | Justin | marshallmc: try w or who |
| 15:37.04 | ironm | what is the name of the #debian_live channels? |
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| 15:37.24 | jordanm | !tell ironm about debian-live |
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| 15:39.00 | ironm | jordanm: thank you .. however there is no_one /join #debian-live |
| 15:39.10 | stew | ironm: its on irc.debian.org, not this network |
| 15:39.12 | jordanm | ironm: you are on the wrong server |
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| 15:40.14 | marshallmc | where is openssh-server config files pertaning to setting idle time out |
| 15:40.29 | marshallmc | pertaining |
| 15:40.30 | ironm | jordanm: could I use such syntax like: /join #debian-live@irc.debian.org ? .. or a similar one |
| 15:40.55 | stew | marshallmc: there isn't an idle timeout |
| 15:41.20 | jordanm | ironm: for my client it is /connect irc.debian.org; /join foo |
| 15:41.28 | stew | marshallmc: but /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the config file (man sshd_config) |
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| 15:41.58 | marshallmc | ty |
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| 15:42.37 | stew | marshallmc: you are experiencing an idle timeout you want to get rid of? or you want to introduce one? |
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| 15:43.57 | solifugus | Having root access to the server, I could grant myself admin privs to drupal, right? |
| 15:44.03 | ironm | thank you jordanm :) |
| 15:44.13 | jordanm | ironm: np :) |
| 15:44.31 | solifugus | Just look at access info to the database, find some users table (should be obviously named) and set some value, I imagine.. |
| 15:44.38 | stew | solifugus: ask #drupal |
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| 15:44.47 | solifugus | oh.. sorry.. thought I was there. |
| 15:45.19 | marshallmc | i am sshd into a box, and then sshd into a box from that one where i changed the ip address and restarted the networking service, then my session seemed to hang and become unresponsive |
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| 15:46.48 | ironm | is there a possibility using apt-get to install a packake like http://packages.debian.org/sid/live-helper when running lenny ? |
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| 15:47.12 | jordanm | !tell ironm about ssb |
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| 15:47.26 | moldovean | ironm, ask in #d-live it's safer |
| 15:47.59 | project2501b | i am currrently trying to make a usb stick to boot debian from and install it. i am here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ there are 3 files. could you please explain to me the differences between the 3? i think i only need to dd boot.img on a usb stick to have what i want. |
| 15:48.10 | ironm | thank you jordanm and moldovean :) |
| 15:48.37 | project2501b | yeah, thank you guys :D |
| 15:48.44 | reo_ | !dpkg rar |
| 15:48.44 | dpkg | [rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 archives (the most common archive version), use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 archives. Install the rar package to create archives. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 15:49.38 | ironm | project2501b: "usb" could be (#1) Linux: wget -qO- http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/moblin-image-creator/plain/image-writer|sed 's/not are_we_root()/False/' > image-writer; chmod +x image-writer; ./image-writer image.iso |
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| 15:50.11 | ironm | project2501b: Windows: http://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/0.2/0.2/+download/win32diskimager-RELEASE-0.2-r23-win32.zip - use *.iso in Open dialog! |
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| 15:50.22 | project2501b | i will pass on launchpad |
| 15:50.44 | project2501b | ironm: not interested in "i will make your distro for you" utils |
| 15:50.49 | project2501b | this is #debian not #ubuntu |
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| 15:52.03 | moldovean | project2501a, /msg dpkg usb install |
| 15:52.08 | project2501b | danke |
| 15:52.35 | marshallmc | do i need to do anything special to use eth0:0 and eth0:1? |
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| 15:53.56 | project2501b | moldovean: nobody has answered my question correctly, yet, thouhg |
| 15:54.11 | project2501b | what is the diff between the 3 files |
| 15:54.21 | stew | project2501b: vmlinuz is a kernle. initd.gz is a ramdisk for bootstrapping the kernel, boot.img.gz is a disk image of everything else |
| 15:54.25 | stew | kernel* |
| 15:54.54 | project2501b | stew: ok. how are those used to write a netinstall image to a usb stick? |
| 15:55.00 | stew | project2501b: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 15:55.04 | stew | there are multiple ways |
| 15:55.06 | project2501b | halleluia :D |
| 15:55.13 | project2501b | praise the prophet! |
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| 15:56.42 | abrotman | gnarface: IIRC they distribute the key before they start using, but i'm probably wrong |
| 15:57.35 | stew | yes, long before |
| 15:57.44 | project2501b | stew: one more question: the netboot directory has a netbooting netinstall image, correct? |
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| 15:58.26 | stew | project2501b: yes |
| 15:58.32 | project2501b | woot |
| 15:58.35 | stew | well, |
| 15:58.41 | project2501b | ? |
| 15:58.54 | stew | i don't recall if, perhaps, like the usb-install you have to actually add an install iso to that one |
| 15:59.01 | stew | its been a while since I've setup netboot |
| 15:59.26 | project2501b | thank you! |
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| 16:00.31 | stew | oh, its got a mini.iso, so yes |
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| 16:02.05 | project2501b | man so much stuff to learn :D |
| 16:02.12 | project2501b | i feel like a freshman, again |
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| 16:02.59 | moldovean | project2501b> praise the prophet! |
| 16:03.15 | project2501b | moldovean: well i live in saudi arabia :P |
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| 16:06.58 | project2501b | stew: so basically, i can take the mini.iso, pre-seed it, alter the package list and re-write the iso |
| 16:07.19 | project2501b | nice. |
| 16:08.11 | poisonbit | sure, there was some instructions in the wiki |
| 16:08.26 | project2501b | woot. lots of work ahead. |
| 16:08.29 | project2501b | ttyl |
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| 16:24.14 | jhutchins_lt | dArK_IcE: You killed it. |
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| 16:24.31 | dArK_IcE | j4q8 lool i m testing an ircclient =< |
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| 16:25.06 | broy | #testing_an_irc_client |
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| 16:27.34 | mms_ | when no power on battery boot sky2 is not configuring eth0. any one knows a fix whether kernel or driver etc related ? |
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| 16:35.29 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Try to be a little less terse. sky2 is what? |
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| 16:36.36 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: sky2 is network module |
| 16:37.14 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: my onboard ethernet is Marvell Tech yukon |
| 16:37.29 | b0nghitter | so kernels lower than 2.6.33.3 have a remote DoS vuln... "Linux Kernel <= 2.6.33.3 SCTP INIT Remote DoS"... is lennys default kernel 2.6.26 vuln too? if so will it be fixed? |
| 16:37.33 | mms_ | I see on internet references to it |
| 16:37.36 | jordanm | reportbug does not give you the ability to CC a list? |
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| 16:37.54 | jordanm | b0nghitter: check the BTS. security fixes are backported into earlier versions |
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| 16:38.23 | jordanm | b0nghitter: so vulnerable in upstream versions X, does not mean vulnerable in debian version X |
| 16:38.41 | b0nghitter | so i dont have to worry then? |
| 16:38.54 | themill | jordanm: "X-Debbugs-CC: " pseudo header |
| 16:39.01 | mms_ | lspci | grep Audio |
| 16:39.03 | mms_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 16:39.12 | mms_ | sound is not working. what to do ? |
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| 16:39.58 | jordanm | themill: ah, ok. I can just add that say, under Version: header in the editor? |
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| 16:40.40 | themill | yeah. It's better to use that than a real Cc because it will get sent off to the list *after* it has a bug number and the bug number will be included in the report |
| 16:41.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell mms_ about alsa checklist |
| 16:41.42 | jordanm | themill: this is actually a comment on an existing report, but I see |
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| 16:42.06 | themill | ahh, in that case it's often not worth using reportbug |
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| 16:45.14 | d3lck0 | hello |
| 16:45.25 | wildc4rd | evenin' |
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| 16:45.46 | d3lck0 | wich file can i found the distribution of the keyboard¿? |
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| 16:49.34 | amanita_ | !keyboard |
| 16:49.34 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware, or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/ . For help configuring up your keyboard, ask me about <keymap>, <keyboard specialkeys>, <multimedia keys>, <key delay>, <capslock>. |
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| 16:51.19 | d3lck0 | ok, sorry |
| 16:51.52 | d3lck0 | how can i change de keymap when i'm in a tty¿? |
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| 16:55.29 | iluminator101 | hey guys, I can use my scanner as root not in user....how can i find that problem |
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| 16:55.47 | iluminator101 | i have a brother mfc 7420 on debian squeeze |
| 16:55.49 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: you don't have the device owned by the scanner group and/or your user isn't in that group. |
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| 16:56.27 | iluminator101 | lsusb is Bus 004 Device 003: ID 04f9:0180 Brother Industries, Ltd MFC-7420 |
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| 16:56.49 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, how do i fix this |
| 16:57.11 | amanita_ | d3lck0: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 16:57.34 | amanita_ | d3lck0: in case you have no console-setup... apt-get install console-setup |
| 16:57.35 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: you fix your udev rule to have GROUP="scanner", and you make sure that id; returns scanner as a group for your user |
| 16:57.58 | d3lck0 | amanita_: thanks i'm going to try it now |
| 16:57.59 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: there are howtos on it, and sane should have installed some existing rules on how to do it |
| 16:58.16 | amanita_ | d3lck0: np |
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| 17:02.25 | d3lck0 | thanks tthat command solve the problem |
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| 17:07.41 | action09 | oy |
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| 17:08.40 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, can you point me to one of those how to |
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| 17:10.34 | rubin110 | What's a quick way to tell what PCI card/mobo a hard drive is connected to over SATA? |
| 17:10.49 | stew | iluminator101: try the top google result for "udev scanner" |
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| 17:11.11 | action09 | rubin110 i'd say 'lspci -v' ? |
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| 17:12.25 | rubin110 | action09: It doesn't list off what's connected to each of the cards. |
| 17:13.41 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, grep scanner /etc/group |
| 17:13.41 | iluminator101 | scanner:x:116:saned,iluminator101 |
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| 17:16.42 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, undocumented except in the changelog, user must be a member of bluetooth instead of netdev. |
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| 17:18.28 | stew | iluminator101: does the /dev entry for the scanner have "scanner" as the group owner? |
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| 17:24.57 | neeraj_deb | I have pgp-keys generated in ubuntu. Can I import them into my debian system for signing packages/patches? If yes then how? |
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| 17:26.18 | jordanm | neeraj_deb: copy ~/.gpg to the new host |
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| 17:29.33 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav no sound |
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| 17:37.41 | mms_ | any familiar with alsa can take a look |
| 17:38.03 | mms_ | BRB in 5 min |
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| 17:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | Anyone know how to get bluetooth working in lenny? I can see the PC from my phone but can't pair, kbluetooth is greyed out. |
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| 17:42.42 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i *don't* know but before squeeze bluetooth never did shit for me. maybe you need a backports kernel just to get the newest bluetooth drivers? |
| 17:42.54 | abrotman | bets stew knows about bluetooth! |
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| 17:43.05 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: already running .32. |
| 17:43.11 | gnarface | hmm. that's a tough one then |
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| 17:43.21 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: is bluetooth bi-directional, or can some devices only be clients? |
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| 17:43.26 | abrotman | or hosts |
| 17:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: bluez-utils package is missing conf files, various utilities from various docs are missing. |
| 17:43.34 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: unknown. |
| 17:43.41 | gnarface | yea i noticed that it's in sorry shape documentation-wise |
| 17:43.48 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: just something to consider .. |
| 17:43.56 | gnarface | it was all i could do just to get obex ftp to copy jpegs from my razr |
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| 17:44.44 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: That's approximately what I'm trying. |
| 17:45.11 | gnarface | i was only able to accomplish it after a significant amount of googling, followed by reading between the lines of 3 separate tutorials |
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| 17:45.45 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i saved the bookmarks. maybe some are still live, i'll msg them to you if you want |
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| 17:46.15 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Sure |
| 17:46.29 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: I think the missing bits are going to be a problem though. |
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| 17:46.45 | gnarface | what i'd desperately like to be able to do is use my usb bluetooth dongle to set up a network gateway for my old palm pilot, but in the end it was the equally poor documentation quality of ppp (and my lack of experience) that foiled me |
| 17:46.56 | erikh | what's the idiomatic way to configure a bridge including eth0 on debian? |
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| 17:47.18 | erikh | I'd think it'd involve /etc/network/interfaces, but I'm not sure. |
| 17:47.24 | mms_ | any one want to help troubleshoot alsa |
| 17:47.27 | erikh | (and the manpage isn't helping) |
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| 17:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | I can discover the laptop from the phone, but there's no default PIN that I can find. |
| 17:49.23 | mms_ | I have put info at http://pastebin.ca/1914557 |
| 17:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | /etc/bluetooth/pin doesn't appear to work. |
| 17:50.03 | mms_ | ok then may be see later |
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| 17:51.22 | gnarface | !alsa checklist |
| 17:51.22 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 17:51.24 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: The phone can scan for devices, or it can be put in discoverable mode. |
| 17:52.07 | knightstalker | Hello,I have installed Debian some hours ago and now I am in a big trouble,my Debian doesn't detect my wireless adapter and I can not find a windows driver for it either |
| 17:52.16 | knightstalker | any ways I can fix this issue? |
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| 17:52.31 | jordanm | knightstalker: can you provide the pciid? lspci -nn |
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| 17:53.13 | thewanderer1 | how does an OpenVZ-enabled Debian kernel in Squeeze, where IPv6 conntrack does not work, relate to the goal of having an IPv6-ready squeeze? |
| 17:53.22 | knightstalker | jordanm,I don't think so,I can not type all the things just came to the screen |
| 17:53.26 | knightstalker | and its a USB adapter |
| 17:53.45 | jordanm | knightstalker: what is it exactly? |
| 17:53.58 | jordanm | knightstalker: and what version of debian? |
| 17:54.09 | knightstalker | its 'ID 09aa:1000 Intersil Corp. Prism GT 802.11b/g Adapter' |
| 17:54.14 | knightstalker | Lenny |
| 17:54.55 | keith4 | what's the name of that japanese guy who releases lenny installers with new kernels? |
| 17:55.06 | petemc | kmuto |
| 17:55.11 | keith4 | yah! thanks |
| 17:55.59 | jordanm | !p54 |
| 17:56.00 | dpkg | The p54 drivers provide support for several Intersil ISL38xx wireless LAN chipsets (PCI and USB), included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.24. Firmware is required (not packaged for Debian, BTS #481234), see http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 for installation instructions. The deprecated prism54 driver is disabled in Debian kernel images since 2.6.24. #prism54 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:56.14 | jordanm | knightstalker: see the wiki page above |
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| 17:56.24 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: ah okay |
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| 17:57.36 | knightstalker | jordanm,confused,which driver should I download?the usb one? |
| 17:58.23 | knightstalker | and I can not do any aptitude install as there are no connections available |
| 17:58.28 | jordanm | knightstalker: never seen the card |
| 17:58.43 | knightstalker | nvm,can download it and then send it there |
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| 18:02.13 | _joey | how do I check what packages have been installed on the system? |
| 18:02.14 | _joey | Thanks |
| 18:03.07 | knightstalker | jordanm,okay,so it seems that it says I should download the p54usb |
| 18:03.31 | knightstalker | the question is,how to do all those steps(wget,aptitude)without any connection? |
| 18:04.12 | knightstalker | can I somehow download here and then send it to there? |
| 18:04.14 | knightstalker | if so,how? |
| 18:04.33 | _joey | anyone? |
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| 18:05.58 | Justin | _joey: dpkg -l |
| 18:06.07 | Justin | knightstalker: where is here and there? |
| 18:06.09 | _joey | and then grep? |
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| 18:06.19 | _joey | for a particular packages |
| 18:06.26 | Justin | dpkg -l package |
| 18:06.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching package |
| 18:06.42 | knightstalker | Justin,here = my laptop,there = my computer |
| 18:06.52 | Justin | knightstalker: usb drive? |
| 18:06.57 | knightstalker | yeah |
| 18:07.02 | knightstalker | http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#p54usb |
| 18:07.17 | Justin | no, I mean, put the files you need on a usb drive |
| 18:07.48 | knightstalker | okay,I'll try |
| 18:08.11 | knightstalker | is http://packages.debian.org all fine? |
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| 18:08.25 | Justin | yes |
| 18:08.29 | knightstalker | ah |
| 18:08.42 | knightstalker | any mirrors as I cant access it for unknown reason? |
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| 18:09.05 | Justin | you can't? why not |
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| 18:09.24 | knightstalker | Dunno,The server at packages.debian.org is taking too long to respond. |
| 18:09.35 | knightstalker | and I only have this problem with that site atm |
| 18:09.46 | knightstalker | (not debian.org but with packages.debian.org) |
| 18:10.52 | mmind | i am having no luck installing debian on a new thinkpad x201s. no optical drive; USB stick only. neither lenny nor squeeze installers recognize the ethernet device, so i cannot do a netinst. how can i provide drivers for the ethernet device on the usb stick? |
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| 18:11.23 | Argafal | is there a way to insatll mozilla-flashplayer without nspluginwrapper? |
| 18:11.29 | Justin | mmind: you can put the full .iso on the usb drive and the installer will pick it up |
| 18:12.12 | mmind | Justin, you mean to a disk1 install of lenny, then shuttle the drivers over by usb stick? |
| 18:12.26 | Justin | mmind: that should work |
| 18:12.33 | mmind | Justin, thanks. i will try that |
| 18:12.38 | Justin | or maybe there is something specific for that model.. |
| 18:12.43 | abrotman | Argafal: for amd64? don't think so |
| 18:12.53 | Justin | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_Sid_on_a_ThinkPad_X201s |
| 18:12.56 | abrotman | mmind: did you try the firmware installer ? |
| 18:13.04 | _joey | is there debian package for adobe acrobat reader? |
| 18:13.09 | Justin | abrotman: it's e1000e, shouldnt need any |
| 18:13.19 | Justin | the kmuto installer images would work too i guess |
| 18:13.19 | abrotman | i thought some needed it ? |
| 18:13.22 | abrotman | _joey: not in debian |
| 18:13.34 | Justin | some.. the bnx2's that I have need firmware |
| 18:13.41 | _joey | oki doki |
| 18:13.52 | Argafal | abrotman: is there a way to install the i386 version? |
| 18:13.59 | Argafal | without nspluginwrapper? |
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| 18:15.25 | abrotman | Argafal: sure .. you can run a 32bit iceweasel/firefox in a chroot |
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| 18:19.02 | _joey | abrotman: I am trying to edit sources.list for a repository; during update it fails with the message NO_PUBKEY |
| 18:19.06 | _joey | what should I do? |
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| 18:19.19 | _joey | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 18:19.20 | abrotman | get the key? Which repo ? |
| 18:19.22 | _joey | this repository |
| 18:19.25 | abrotman | install debian-keyring |
| 18:19.27 | _joey | above |
| 18:19.39 | _joey | and then |
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| 18:19.47 | stew | _joey: the url you gave actually has the answer to your question |
| 18:19.58 | _joey | blushes |
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| 18:20.18 | stew | _joey: start reading at "the first package to install is..." |
| 18:20.31 | e-future | _joey: you have the key in the FAQ. |
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| 18:22.27 | _joey | and a .deb package is installed dpkg -i ./file.deb ? |
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| 18:23.38 | _joey | that's better |
| 18:24.08 | ario | hi there |
| 18:26.10 | _joey | i remember someone mentioned a utility to convert rpm package to .deb |
| 18:26.18 | _joey | can't remember what it was |
| 18:26.22 | cjuner | joepa, it's called alien |
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| 18:26.36 | cjuner | _joey, it's called alien |
| 18:26.39 | _joey | thanks |
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| 18:28.36 | abrotman | wonders if joepa goes to school at PSU |
| 18:28.50 | stew | _joey: alien should be more of a 'last resort' type of thing though. You shouldn't find yourself needing to use it all that often |
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| 18:30.07 | _joey | stew thanks for your tip |
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| 18:33.44 | knightstalker | nothing just happened |
| 18:33.51 | knightstalker | ndiswrapper is way more easier and better -.- |
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| 18:35.13 | gnarface | so it's come to my attention recently that old computers (like this pentium75 toshiba laptop i have maxxed out with 32MB of ram) won't even work with the debian installer anymore - and it's not like you'd be able to run firefox even if you could get it installed. so which linux distro should i be using instead? |
| 18:35.41 | pipeline | gnarface: pull the hard drive out of the laptop and install debian by hand |
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| 18:35.57 | pipeline | gnarface: the installer relies on a ramdisk, which is naturally a tall order for a system with 32M. |
| 18:36.01 | gnarface | i get that |
| 18:36.02 | gnarface | and i did |
| 18:36.03 | jelly-hme | gnarface: lfs? Something for embedded systems? |
| 18:36.17 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: hmm, I can recall installing etch on a PC with 32MB ram - it worked |
| 18:36.26 | jelly-hme | fsvo worked |
| 18:36.29 | stew | thewanderer1: with lenny? |
| 18:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Check out vintage linux |
| 18:36.39 | gnarface | pipeline: that's exactly what i did, but iceweasel doesn't even work on it.... it starts up then takes 3 whole hours to load slashdot |
| 18:36.40 | pipeline | "vintage" linux haha |
| 18:36.45 | pipeline | linux *never* ran well with 32M of RAM |
| 18:36.46 | stew | it no doubt could work with older, unsupported versions of debian |
| 18:36.49 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: Damn Small Linux is fine |
| 18:36.52 | pipeline | the UNIX desktop has *always* been memory-hungry |
| 18:36.59 | Elshar | I was just going to suggest DSL :) |
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| 18:37.06 | thewanderer1 | DSL is Debian-based anyway :P |
| 18:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | THere's also puppy. |
| 18:37.08 | gnarface | thewanderer1: you'd recommend damn small linux over tinylinux? i'm not clear on the difference between them |
| 18:37.09 | pipeline | 15 years ago 64M of RAM was practically a necessity for a pleasant UNIX desktop experience |
| 18:37.17 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: yes I would |
| 18:37.27 | pipeline | gnarface: I wouldn't recommend any of them over debian, they're all going to be a little rough in 32M of RAM. |
| 18:37.27 | Elshar | Realistically, I mean, unless you HAVE to use that old machine, can't you just pick up a laptop made in the past 10 years for $10? :P |
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| 18:37.49 | jelly-hme | pipeline: I worked on 8MB sun IPC just fine. Sure they were X terminals basically, but... |
| 18:37.51 | Elshar | I've seen embedded systems with higher specs than that. |
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| 18:38.22 | gnarface | Elshar: it's more about masochistic tendencies, and the urge to recycle the guts of this thing into something i can embed in my coffee table (which was also recycled from someting ... else) |
| 18:38.29 | pipeline | jelly-hme: err yeah if you used Xkernel, 8M was totally fine |
| 18:38.33 | Elshar | Ah :) |
| 18:38.40 | pipeline | jelly-hme: but even without X11, in the SunOS era, openwindows sucked ass in 16M of RAM |
| 18:38.46 | pipeline | jelly-hme: lotsa swapping |
| 18:38.53 | jelly-hme | pipeline: it was sun's whatever and nfsroot |
| 18:39.09 | _joey | is there an application similar to roboform? |
| 18:39.11 | gnarface | i always had better luck with linux in the past on this laptop than with windows of the same era. |
| 18:39.17 | pipeline | jelly-hme: yeah so you weren't running any applications |
| 18:39.29 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: can't you just put in a CF card and use swap? |
| 18:39.32 | jelly-hme | pipeline: sure I was, just not on that machine! |
| 18:39.41 | pipeline | gnarface: that seems crazy. Windows 2000/XP will happily run in 50M resident, so they swap very minimally on a 32M system. Linux from 1999 certainly isn't comfortable in that little RAM. |
| 18:39.57 | gnarface | thewanderer1: CF card? |
| 18:39.58 | pipeline | gnarface: not if you want to run applications.... 1999 staroffice wasn't a whole lot more lightweight than 2009 openoffice.org :) |
| 18:39.59 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: swap is a requirement; dpkg will swap heavily in 64MB |
| 18:40.17 | gnarface | pipeline: i guess all i ever used it for was ssh, emacs and netscape 4 |
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| 18:40.30 | pipeline | gnarface: netscape 4 alone will eat 32M of RAM just at startup |
| 18:40.34 | volatile1 | Hello |
| 18:40.38 | pipeline | gnarface: emacs is almost equally hungry |
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| 18:40.40 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: well yes, CF cards can be faster than old hard disks, and can provide enough swapping performance for your purposes |
| 18:40.42 | gnarface | pipeline: i ran X with blackbox -- it really wasn't bad. i guess i must have swapped a lot |
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| 18:41.11 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: DSL has JWM and Fluxbox, and on my 32MB PC it is usable - not fast, but usable |
| 18:41.22 | pipeline | gnarface: yes. You thrashed swap and didn't care. A windows stack from 1999, you could run Office 97 + IE 5 + Windows 2000 and not thrash swap after startup. (I'd rather thrash swap with staroffice and emacs, thanks...) |
| 18:41.59 | gnarface | pipeline: i guess i was patient back then, but it was at least useable. now debian just isn't. |
| 18:42.01 | robin_sz | ok, so I plugged my USB2.0 seagate portable drive in, mounted it, and tried to copy some files over as root, and it says permission denied, but the perms look correct, brw------- on the device, 755 on the mount point? |
| 18:42.04 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: obviously he needs to plug a SSD to be able to swap fast enough! |
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| 18:42.20 | gnarface | hah |
| 18:42.20 | jelly-hme | robin_sz: which filesystem? |
| 18:42.23 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: you can call a CF card an SSD drive :P |
| 18:42.25 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: I haven't seen XP run in less than 512M in years. Maybe when it came out, but with all the AV cruft you need today it's swap city. |
| 18:42.30 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: no, a real ssd |
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| 18:42.33 | gnarface | thewanderer1: DSL has 802.11B support? |
| 18:42.39 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Realistically you need a gig. |
| 18:42.40 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: welp 512M is like 8$ now |
| 18:42.45 | kevin009 | hey I installed vmware player and I have /etc/init.d/vmware, but I have to manually start that on each reboot. how do i make it start automatically? |
| 18:42.46 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: so it's not really an issue |
| 18:42.51 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: I have no idea - you should check with the website |
| 18:42.56 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Unless you've got really old hardware. |
| 18:43.05 | robin_sz | jelly, checking ... NTFS driver 2.1.29 [Flags: R/W MODULE]. |
| 18:43.13 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: big business runs on a 3 year replacement cycle. Nothing that old is still in use for most normal human beings :P |
| 18:43.13 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: all I know is - Debian works equally well with the same packages |
| 18:43.17 | jelly-hme | robin_sz: use ntfs-3g to mount, instead |
| 18:43.24 | jelly-hme | !tell robin_sz about ntfsrw |
| 18:43.34 | jelly-hme | !tell robin_sz about ntfs-3g |
| 18:43.45 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: What color is the sky on your planet? Businesses I know (and work for) hold onto hardware as long as they can. |
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| 18:44.08 | kevin009 | i thought just having it in /etc/init.d would start it |
| 18:44.11 | jelly-hme | robin_sz: (that R/W thing is a deception) |
| 18:44.11 | gnarface | thewanderer1: thanks for the info. maybe what i need is just a tutorial on stripping firefox down to the bare minimum features |
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| 18:44.13 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: it's called "fortune 500," where money grows on trees and no one knows where the hell the trees are |
| 18:44.32 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no, Firefox is not for you, use a real browser :P |
| 18:44.33 | pipeline | gnarface: firefox is staggeringly huge. The bare minimum is "everything." |
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| 18:44.49 | volatile1 | Ive got a problem with my networkmanager, squeeze (Chrunchbang Alpha 2), EEE PC 901. I freshly installed the OS some days ago, WLAN worked fine ootb. Ethernet seems to work (ifconfig looks normal, I can ping google) but networkmanager ALWAYS says 'Device not managed'. What can I do? |
| 18:44.50 | pipeline | gnarface: the only modern browser that will run on a 32M system is dillo |
| 18:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: iirc UnitedHealthcare was a F500 and they were'nt eager to spend money on hardware upgrades. |
| 18:44.51 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: (links2 -g || dillo) |
| 18:44.58 | gnarface | dillo |
| 18:44.59 | gnarface | noted |
| 18:45.01 | gnarface | thanks guys :) |
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| 18:45.21 | thewanderer1 | I'm gonna fire up a VM in a few minutes and check DSL and Lenny out :P |
| 18:45.21 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: go figure. You have to use laptops until they break ? |
| 18:45.22 | qwd | Anyone remember my problem with 2tb drive showing as 1tb? I thought I had found the solution in updating BIOS but got "drive not found" when trying to update from usb flash drive. Now I start Debian (I've rebooted several times with no luck earlier) and find out the drive is showing as 2tb. I did *nothing* |
| 18:45.47 | robin_sz | jelly-hme, as usual, I just apt-get installed it, and everything works, automounted as I plugged it in, thanks for the help, as always. |
| 18:45.55 | thewanderer1 | qwd: random errors happen - my ethernet port sometimes works after boot and sometimes doesn't :P |
| 18:46.06 | gnarface | used to work at a company where the sales reps had to use the laptops till they broke.... once they figured it out the laptops started breaking almost weekly |
| 18:46.08 | robin_sz | 3g is 3rd generation? |
| 18:46.26 | volatile1 | Its not random here. Always the same :( |
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| 18:47.00 | volatile1 | gnarface: :D |
| 18:47.06 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels |
| 18:47.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:47.12 | jelly-hme | robin_sz: it's just a name |
| 18:47.14 | thewanderer1 | crap |
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| 18:48.07 | harobed | hi, it is possible to use preseed.cfg with debootstrap ? |
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| 18:48.29 | harobed | too auto install some virtual debian guest |
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| 18:48.41 | robin_sz | jelly-hme, anyway, it works a treat ... copying 407,000 files ... I think I need to clean my homedir |
| 18:48.43 | harobed | s/too/to |
| 18:48.44 | jordanm | harobed: preseeding is only for d-i |
| 18:49.05 | harobed | jordanm, not solution with debootstrap ? |
| 18:49.08 | jordanm | harobed: I am sure you can do whatever you need in the scripting language of your choice |
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| 18:49.31 | knightstalker | okay,so I've managed to do ndiswrapper,now how can I connect to internet,in Ubuntu there is a network manager in task bar,I can not see it in Debian,so what alternative way it has? |
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| 18:49.53 | jordanm | knightstalker: you can install network-manager-gnome |
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| 18:51.28 | knightstalker | okay,Thanks |
| 18:51.30 | _joey | any good application for weather on gnome? |
| 18:51.40 | _joey | not those that pull weather reports from yahoo |
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| 18:52.25 | virtualite | use awn or cairo perhaps |
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| 18:53.09 | virtualite | i think both have weather plugins by default |
| 18:53.46 | _joey | it depends from which source the application obtains the weather report |
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| 18:53.53 | _joey | some access your local airports |
| 18:54.02 | _joey | using airport codes |
| 18:54.10 | _joey | and the weather is quite accurate and updated every few hours |
| 18:54.14 | knightstalker | guys,I can not stand without packages.debian.org |
| 18:54.20 | _joey | used to be call metar or something |
| 18:54.21 | knightstalker | they wont work on my connection and I don't know why |
| 18:54.57 | andersix | Does anyone know when apache2 2.2.16 going to hit the Ub10.04 upstream repos? 2.2.14 has bug. |
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| 18:55.48 | danols | andersix: what's the bug? |
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| 18:59.01 | knightstalker | can someone please give me FTP mirror of network-manager-gnome for Lenny? |
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| 18:59.36 | andersix | danols: it's a memcpy bug in pre 2.2.16 |
| 18:59.53 | andersix | danols: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/595116 |
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| 19:00.03 | andersix | fixed, but not in upstream repos yet for some reason. |
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| 19:02.26 | amanita_ | how can I run a jar java application? |
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| 19:02.53 | mmind | amanita_, `java -jar jarfilename.jar` |
| 19:03.32 | knightstalker | no one? |
| 19:04.12 | Justin | knightstalker: still cant connect to packages.debian.org? |
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| 19:04.32 | knightstalker | Justin,no |
| 19:04.36 | knightstalker | but I can use the FTP mirrors |
| 19:04.39 | Justin | knightstalker: can you ping it? |
| 19:04.54 | knightstalker | hmm,yes |
| 19:05.02 | knightstalker | 64 bytes from packages.debian.org (194.177.211.202): icmp_seq=6 ttl=47 time=279 ms |
| 19:05.19 | inocid | I'm having difficulties with my keyboard. On the console everything is fine. I installed xorg and jwm (joe's window manager) and when I enter startx and use xterm, my Alt Gr (Swiss keyboard) combinations don't work. Any suggestions? I installed Gnome on another machine and compared the xorg.conf file, the keyboard specific details match, in Gnome the keyboard works fine in a Gnome terminal. |
| 19:05.59 | knightstalker | Justin,so may you give me an FTP mirror/ |
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| 19:06.13 | Justin | knightstalker: http.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 19:07.00 | knightstalker | Justin,aha,I actually ment the FTP mirror it gives out when you want to download a software though :P |
| 19:07.35 | Justin | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/network-manager-applet/network-manager-gnome_0.6.6-4+lenny1_i386.deb ? |
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| 19:08.04 | knightstalker | Oh thanks <3 |
| 19:08.08 | knightstalker | downloaded ^_^ |
| 19:11.03 | knightstalker | dependency problems |
| 19:11.27 | knightstalker | its frustrating |
| 19:11.44 | jordanm | knightstalker: you could have just installed the desktop task at install time... |
| 19:12.13 | knightstalker | I didn't know what includes what,did I? |
| 19:12.29 | rozie | knightstalker: don't you have internet access on that machine? |
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| 19:12.44 | knightstalker | rozie,yeah,a wireless modem is just installed |
| 19:12.58 | knightstalker | but how to connect -.- |
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| 19:13.30 | jhutchins | knightstalker: Are you using aptitude? |
| 19:13.37 | knightstalker | Yeah |
| 19:13.46 | knightstalker | oh |
| 19:13.51 | Milp_main | OH DAMN! I just did chown -R web2:web2 / by accident, how do i undo this? |
| 19:13.54 | knightstalker | when installing network-man? |
| 19:13.58 | knightstalker | oh no,using dpkg |
| 19:14.16 | knightstalker | (lol,no Gdebi either =() |
| 19:14.25 | rozie | Milp_main: do you have physical access to machine? |
| 19:14.43 | Milp_main | rozie no its a virtualized server |
| 19:14.54 | rozie | Milp_main: if not, don't disconnect nor reboot - ssh won't work |
| 19:15.10 | knightstalker | :o |
| 19:15.23 | rozie | Milp_main: safest way is to reinstall/restore backup |
| 19:15.35 | Milp_main | alright, last backup is from 30 minutes ago though, so all my progress is gone :( |
| 19:15.53 | rozie | Milp_main: what progress? |
| 19:16.32 | Milp_main | rozie well im in the progress of setting up a new server |
| 19:16.42 | Milp_main | rozie i think in the last 30 minutes i set up the ossec-hids |
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| 19:16.55 | jordanm | Milp_main: be very happy 30min is all you will lose |
| 19:16.58 | rozie | you can make another backup right now. files won't change its content |
| 19:17.22 | rozie | so you can diff/copy crucial files |
| 19:17.23 | Milp_main | yeah but if their ownership is broken the backup will be broken too |
| 19:17.36 | rozie | but content won't be broken |
| 19:17.40 | Milp_main | the backup is a 1:1 copy of the server though |
| 19:17.41 | rozie | <sigh> |
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| 19:17.52 | Milp_main | and i can only completely restore or not restore it at all |
| 19:18.18 | rozie | do other kind of backup *now*? |
| 19:18.36 | rozie | or is there some mystery force preventing you from doing so? |
| 19:18.54 | Milp_main | nah its not worth it, everything ill loose i can just redownload or recompile or reinstall, no personal data involved :) |
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| 19:19.33 | Milp_main | i guess there is no little tool or program that records what is being done on the shell and provides an undo function for noobs like me? :D |
| 19:19.57 | thewanderer1 | Milp_main: it's called "backup" |
| 19:20.33 | Milp_main | thats not what im looking for, i mean a simple "undo what ive just done" thing like in every text editor |
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| 19:21.02 | jelly-hme | Milp_main: not unless you take preventative measures. |
| 19:21.31 | abrotman | assuming you've saved the file previously? there are versioned filesystems in fuse :) |
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| 19:21.51 | Milp_main | aww ok, someone should program a tool like that |
| 19:21.54 | abrotman | http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=VersioningFileSystems |
| 19:22.01 | jelly-hme | Milp_main: it's a highly nontrivial feature. |
| 19:22.06 | thewanderer1 | Milp_main: you can use ZFS under FUSE - it provides snapshots and is pretty nice for experimenting |
| 19:22.14 | Milp_main | oh? |
| 19:22.20 | thewanderer1 | just make sure to create a snapshot after every command :P |
| 19:22.22 | Milp_main | is FUSE some kind of linux distro? |
| 19:22.25 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 19:22.30 | thewanderer1 | a layer in the operating system |
| 19:22.36 | abrotman | !tell Milp_main about fuse |
| 19:22.39 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 19:23.12 | Milp_main | oh yay thanks, even my kernel has that already |
| 19:23.34 | abrotman | yes, but some of those are flaky, use with care |
| 19:23.40 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: by the way, I'm running DSL in a VM with 32MB ram only - it seems fast, but that's just my host CPU. besides, no RAM-related issues show up. |
| 19:24.42 | thewanderer1 | unless you count "unable to load a website with 1000 images" as a issue |
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| 19:25.41 | icebrain | thewanderer1: running X? |
| 19:25.51 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 19:26.22 | gnarface | thewanderer1: good to know, thanks |
| 19:26.28 | icebrain | thewanderer1: oh, nice. thanks |
| 19:26.30 | thewanderer1 | you will want swap, anyway |
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| 19:32.20 | thewanderer1 | hmm |
| 19:32.30 | thewanderer1 | alright, Debian won't install on a machine with 32MB RAM |
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| 19:32.49 | gnarface | it used to... |
| 19:32.51 | thewanderer1 | great |
| 19:33.03 | thewanderer1 | "Out of memory and no killable processes" |
| 19:33.06 | gnarface | remembers when you could install redhat on a machine with 8 |
| 19:34.31 | Justin | thewanderer1: you get that error while booting the installer? |
| 19:34.41 | Justin | i think it might have a lowmem boot option you can try |
| 19:34.59 | thewanderer1 | Justin: no, while detecting network devices - it was already in lowmem |
| 19:35.03 | fignew | I remember a time when 640k would have been enough for anyone. |
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| 19:35.08 | Justin | thewanderer1: oh, you didnt setup a swap partition? |
| 19:35.14 | mee | re: FUSE, this is a neat blog entry: http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/07/building-filesystems-the-way-you-build-web-apps/ |
| 19:35.16 | Justin | 32M with swap should install fine |
| 19:35.18 | thewanderer1 | Justin: errr... it's the installer. |
| 19:35.24 | abrotman | Milp_main: if you actually use the versioning stuff from FUSE, I'd love to know how it turns out. |
| 19:35.31 | Justin | thewanderer1: the installer can setup swap, or you can do it manually |
| 19:35.34 | thewanderer1 | Justin: nothing on the disk. |
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| 19:35.54 | Milp_main | abrotman well i left it open as a tab in my firefox, but i cant really experiment with it yet, i got so much other things on my server-todo list right now |
| 19:35.56 | thewanderer1 | and it didn't offer me an option to setup swap before it panicked |
| 19:36.07 | Justin | thewanderer1: oh, you can switch over to the other console and do it |
| 19:36.10 | knusper | hi... can someone plz explain to me how to add the crojob for planetplanet |
| 19:36.10 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 19:36.24 | thewanderer1 | actually, I don't need this at all - it's just that I was testing the installer with 32MB RAM |
| 19:37.11 | mmind | Justin, I installed lenny disk1 and then copied over a newer kernel deb from backports, and all devices are now working correctly. thanks for the assistance. |
| 19:37.35 | Justin | mmind: awesome |
| 19:37.44 | knusper | after installing planet i got a file in /etc/cron.d/ -> /etc/cron.d/planet |
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| 19:37.56 | rozie | thewanderer1: it qualifies for bug report, I guess. what are minimal requierements for installer? |
| 19:38.05 | Justin | knusper: that probably checks /etc/default/planet or some such |
| 19:38.08 | _joey | is there good password manager application? |
| 19:38.13 | _joey | something similar to roboform? |
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| 19:38.32 | knusper | this contains only one line: */60 * * * * www-data[ -f /usr/bin/planetplanet ] && [ -x /usr/bin/planetplanet ] && /usr/bin/planetplanet |
| 19:38.32 | Justin | knusper: or maybe just /etc/planet.conf |
| 19:38.33 | thewanderer1 | _joey: KDE and GNOME have password managers built-in (some kind of keyring) |
| 19:38.45 | thewanderer1 | rozie: I wish I knew where to find the spec |
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| 19:38.51 | Justin | knusper: ah, there you go then, it's already setup to run just fine |
| 19:39.00 | knusper | no... does not run... |
| 19:39.09 | knusper | i looked in syslog and it does not run |
| 19:39.25 | knusper | (i also see that the feeds dont get updated) |
| 19:39.41 | Justin | knusper: /usr/share/doc/planet/README.Debian |
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| 19:40.29 | knusper | i If you want a specific interval for running Planet, you can edit |
| 19:40.30 | knusper | /etc/cron.d/planet. |
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| 19:40.51 | knusper | Justin: ^^ thats all it says there.. i think 60 mins would be fine |
| 19:41.00 | Justin | knusper: do you need to edit /etc/planet.conf? |
| 19:41.11 | thewanderer1 | "You must have at least 44MB of memory and 500MB of hard disk space to perform a normal installation." - so no bug report here |
| 19:41.11 | knusper | i have it |
| 19:41.40 | knusper | Justin: i think the problem might be that /usr/bin/planetplanet misses the conf file |
| 19:41.53 | Justin | knusper: doubt it |
| 19:41.54 | knusper | because when you run that line it says missing config file |
| 19:41.55 | foetus | back again - proxy login with irssi solved, now its fully functional :) |
| 19:41.56 | rozie | thewanderer1: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 19:42.03 | rozie | here's 40 |
| 19:42.07 | knusper | also the manpage states that you have to supply a config file |
| 19:42.14 | knusper | suply the path |
| 19:42.14 | Justin | knusper: oh? strange.. I wonder if that is an existing bug |
| 19:42.22 | Justin | the package shouldn't isntall a non-functioning cron job |
| 19:42.24 | thewanderer1 | rozie: thanks, just ran into that :P |
| 19:42.39 | rozie | 48 MB, not 40 |
| 19:42.43 | rozie | pretty much |
| 19:43.08 | knusper | Justin: omg |
| 19:43.12 | foetus | and -- a take five to the squid developers! |
| 19:43.31 | knusper | think i edited the cronfile and deleted that part |
| 19:43.58 | thewanderer1 | how can I convert files/directory/loopback ext2 filesystem to a VirtualBox disk image? |
| 19:43.58 | knusper | no ... its there... |
| 19:44.55 | Justin | thewanderer1: vboxmanage can do it I think, or you can use the qemu tools to convert it to a vmware image that virtualbox will use |
| 19:45.10 | thewanderer1 | Justin: oh, ok - nice workaround :P |
| 19:45.23 | knusper | Justin: i reset it back to the old config file... i try again with thisone, the line says |
| 19:45.25 | knusper | */60 * * * * www-data[ -f /usr/bin/planetplanet ] && [ -x /usr/bin/planetplanet ] && /usr/bin/planetplanet /etc/planet.conf |
| 19:45.42 | knusper | this should work |
| 19:45.43 | Justin | knusper: old? :) |
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| 19:45.48 | Justin | lol |
| 19:46.03 | knusper | the one before my editor touched it, the backup copy so to say |
| 19:46.19 | knusper | planet~ |
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| 19:46.35 | knusper | maybe its not good to have files like that in cron.d ? |
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| 19:47.00 | jelly-hme | knusper: */60 looks weird |
| 19:47.01 | Justin | knusper: not good, but OK.. man run-parts |
| 19:47.03 | Justin | it should ignore it |
| 19:47.24 | knusper | jelly-hme: */60 .. runs every 60 minutes afaik |
| 19:47.26 | Justin | */60 is weird, but should work |
| 19:47.36 | jelly-hme | knusper: nope, it runs every minute. |
| 19:47.37 | Justin | well just putting a number would run once every 60 minutes |
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| 19:47.50 | Justin | no */5 runs every 5 minutes, */10 runs every 10 minutes.... |
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| 19:48.20 | jelly-hme | hm, right |
| 19:48.30 | knusper | ok... how can i test if it now works? |
| 19:48.33 | iluminator101 | hey i can run my scanner as root not as user any suggestions |
| 19:48.35 | jelly-hme | it's still weird. |
| 19:48.48 | abrotman | iluminator101: you're not in the right group |
| 19:49.03 | knusper | jelly-hme: its what debian ships.. not my line |
| 19:49.08 | iluminator101 | abortman....lol |
| 19:49.14 | Justin | what is the scanner group? it's not one of the normal debian groups? sane? scanner? |
| 19:49.34 | Justin | hasn't had a scanner(or a printer) in 10 years |
| 19:49.39 | iluminator101 | abortman i got the scanner to work at least.... |
| 19:49.57 | foetus | ha.. |
| 19:50.17 | abrotman | iluminator101: ABROTMAN .. try abr<tab> |
| 19:50.36 | nkuttler | iluminator101: /usr/share/doc/sane (or whatever) sounds like a good place to start |
| 19:50.44 | abrotman | Justin: i had one 10 years ago, but it hadn't worked in three? :) |
| 19:50.50 | knusper | how can i test if the cronjob now works, or is at least recognized? |
| 19:51.11 | Justin | knusper: wait? |
| 19:51.20 | knusper | no prob |
| 19:51.23 | knusper | ah |
| 19:51.31 | knusper | ok, i dont have to restart something? |
| 19:51.32 | Justin | knusper: or change it to */2 and wait 2 minutes |
| 19:51.32 | iluminator101 | user in scanner group |
| 19:51.35 | Justin | knusper: nope |
| 19:51.59 | iluminator101 | i will paste my udev and libsane one sec |
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| 19:52.32 | knusper | Justin: i just edit the file with my editor... not using crontab -e or something like that |
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| 19:52.46 | Justin | knusper: yeah, just wait |
| 19:52.50 | foetus | ok..i shut down my workstation..use the small server... |
| 19:53.04 | Justin | knusper: cron will pick things up on its own |
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| 19:53.26 | knusper | Aug 10 21:45:01 KnusperStation /usr/sbin/cron[3461]: (*system*planet) RELOAD (/etc/cron.d/planet) |
| 19:53.28 | knusper | ah |
| 19:53.30 | knusper | i c |
| 19:53.31 | knusper | :-) |
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| 19:54.29 | knusper | ah, now it works... so i just screwed the file up |
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| 19:55.13 | knusper | thx 4 help, at least i learned something: "Justin>knusper: cron will pick things up on its own" |
| 19:55.23 | Milp_main | When i have a webserver that i use to send mail from but i never check for any incoming mails, do i need spamassassin? |
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| 19:55.57 | foetus | this was. |
| 19:56.03 | jordanm | not accepting incoming mail at all sounds like a good solution |
| 19:56.24 | Milp_main | well the thing is that i dont know if my server accepts incoming mail and it maybe lands in an unknown postbox somewhere in the system that i dont know of |
| 19:57.28 | iluminator101 | here are my files here is my files http://debian.pastebin.com/rPSz4ZKV |
| 19:57.28 | iluminator101 | http://debian.pastebin.com/SVFvdVb4 |
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| 19:57.35 | streuner_ | if you ask those questions you shouldnt run a MTA at all |
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| 19:58.21 | streuner_ | use a smarthost |
| 19:58.23 | streuner_ | instead |
| 19:59.01 | streuner_ | its pretty easy to setup and without headaches |
| 19:59.06 | pipeline | always use a smarthost |
| 19:59.08 | pipeline | even if you have a mail server |
| 19:59.11 | pipeline | you should still use a smarthost :P |
| 19:59.18 | pipeline | being your own MTA is a hassle |
| 19:59.35 | pipeline | also spamassassin is your LAST line of defense. Barracuda RBL *FIRST*. Use SA *IF* you need it. |
| 19:59.52 | pipeline | so far on my personal domain I have 99.99% ham ratio using only a single RBL, no statistical filtering at all. |
| 19:59.53 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, barracuda's RBL has serious issues |
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| 20:00.05 | pipeline | serious issues for people getting off of it :D |
| 20:00.09 | dondelelcaro | they've listed lists.debian.org on a few occasions |
| 20:00.13 | knusper | is it possible that i screwed something up when i ran the line a as root |
| 20:00.16 | pipeline | I've had to get off of the barracuda RBL before, and it blows |
| 20:00.23 | knusper | because now the cronjob works, but the planet is not updatet |
| 20:00.24 | pipeline | but as a receiving MTA, it's great |
| 20:00.27 | jordanm | greylisting can be just as effective as RBL |
| 20:00.34 | knusper | i just manually ran the line and everything got updatet |
| 20:00.38 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: right; it's perfectly fine if you don't care about false positives, but otherwise, it's problematic |
| 20:00.44 | nkuttler | greylisting sucks in a business environment |
| 20:00.48 | knusper | so.... cronjob runs, but planet is not updatet :-( |
| 20:01.07 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: it actually works fairly reasonably with short timeouts, even in such an environment |
| 20:01.11 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: there are no false positives. If you're on the barracuda RBL, *no one* is receiving your mail. They're... big. |
| 20:01.29 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: i've seen other mtas who give up to quickly and retry far too late |
| 20:01.32 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: once you're on that RBL, it's like you dropped off the internet. Half the world will ignore you. |
| 20:01.45 | nkuttler | err |
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| 20:01.47 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 20:01.49 | nkuttler | you know what i mean |
| 20:01.49 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: oh, there certainly are false positives; we for example could care less if baracuda doesn't want our mail |
| 20:02.12 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: you'll care about the legions of corporate mail accounts not receiving it :P |
| 20:02.17 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: happens, but most of the time they retry fairly fast, and then fall back exponentially |
| 20:02.20 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: nope |
| 20:02.39 | iluminator101 | my udev rules are not right can someone please look at them |
| 20:03.34 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: if someone doesn't want to receive mail from me, that's their problem, not mine. I don't respond to C/R mails, nor do I bother to deal with people who reject on RBL presence |
| 20:03.45 | knusper | Justin: sorry to bother you, but noone seems to listen at the moment... i thought i have it fixed, syslog reports that the crojob is run... but the planet won't update ... when i run the line manually (as root) the planet got an update |
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| 20:04.43 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: and for most business e-mails, you're talking to a similar set of people, so once one mail goes through, all of them continue to go through until you time out the ticket |
| 20:04.50 | iluminator101 | grep scanner /etc/group |
| 20:04.50 | iluminator101 | scanner:x:116:saned,iluminator101 |
| 20:04.52 | Justin | knusper: ah, because you ran it as root |
| 20:05.01 | knusper | thats what i did |
| 20:05.07 | foetus | what should i do to become german umlauts from tty2-6 by typing? i see umlauts, but i cannot type them.. tty1 all ok. |
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| 20:05.20 | Justin | knusper: yes, running it as root probably made all the generated files owned by root |
| 20:05.34 | Justin | knusper: so you need to chown them to the correct user(or just delete them all and let planet re-create them) |
| 20:05.38 | exaboy | where can i find the value for homw many files the system can have open? |
| 20:05.43 | foetus | (lenny) |
| 20:06.02 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: i freelance. once a mail got through i might have lost the client. and my clients tend to use multiple accounts. in a big corp this might be slighly different |
| 20:06.30 | foetus | and.. official 2.6.26-24 |
| 20:07.11 | nkuttler | anyway, SA works fine for me. i can handle a few spams per day |
| 20:07.48 | foetus | ? |
| 20:08.29 | knusper | Justin: /var/lib/www/planet seems fine .. it was /var/cache/planet who had the wrong rights |
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| 20:09.13 | gnarface | damn, xchat just segfaulted :( |
| 20:09.15 | knusper | NOW IT WORKS... pah... |
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| 20:10.17 | knusper | so when i do testruns i should be www-data :-) |
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| 20:10.33 | foetus | if i put numlock on, and switch through the terminals, i become the following: |
| 20:10.37 | foetus | kernel: atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x6b on isa0060/serio0). |
| 20:10.48 | foetus | kernel: atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes 6b <keycode>' to make it known. |
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| 20:11.59 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: possible I guess... though from my perspective, I find clients who need a response that fast to be too tiresome to have. ;-) |
| 20:12.00 | iluminator101 | lsusb Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04f9:0180 Brother Industries, Ltd MFC-7420 |
| 20:12.33 | iluminator101 | how change permission to allow user to scan |
| 20:12.38 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.40 | foetus | ? |
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| 20:13.24 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: no, it should be chgrp scanner /dev/bus/usb/004/002, but this should be done by your udev rule. |
| 20:13.39 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: but show us what you have in /etc/udev/rules.d/*sane*; so we can fix it |
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| 20:14.53 | foetus | debian is speechless.. |
| 20:15.12 | chemist | Hello, I can't seem to find much info about it, but is there a problem with kopete and Yahoo IM in stable? |
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| 20:16.07 | streuner_ | chemist: in the past there were some backports available... |
| 20:16.24 | streuner_ | chemist: at least for some other app. |
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| 20:16.51 | streuner_ | chemist: do you think you can solve that problem with newer version, just /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:17.20 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, http://debian.pastebin.com/rPSz4ZKV |
| 20:17.20 | iluminator101 | http://debian.pastebin.com/SVFvdVb4 |
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| 20:18.09 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: the last one doesn't work |
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| 20:18.25 | chemist | streuner_: thanks, will try that |
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| 20:20.42 | jhutchins_lt | For some reason grub is ignoring my default boot option in menu.lst |
| 20:20.51 | jhutchins_lt | Still booting .26 |
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| 20:21.01 | streuner_ | hm, doesnt sound like sid |
| 20:21.40 | gnarface | grub2 jhutchins_lt ? it doesn't use that file anymore |
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| 20:21.50 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: No, lenny. |
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| 20:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | chemist, you did look in the bts for reports... didn'T you |
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| 20:23.49 | foetus | i still become no correct german typo at tty2.. tty1 ok.. strange. |
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| 20:24.15 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, any luck i had to reboot |
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| 20:24.34 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: I need to see the sane udev rules, not the default ones |
| 20:24.45 | s3a | what does sudo shred -xv do if it does not remove the file? |
| 20:24.55 | jhutchins_lt | kbluetooth's still grayed out. |
| 20:25.04 | s3a | what is it "shreding"/overwriting |
| 20:25.09 | Justin | s3a: the file? |
| 20:25.18 | s3a | Justin, but the file is not removed |
| 20:25.28 | prince_jammys | -u |
| 20:25.31 | s3a | Justin, ooo i get it |
| 20:25.38 | Justin | s3a: what does a paper shredder do if it does not remove the paper? :) |
| 20:25.41 | s3a | ya i know -u removes it but i just attempted opening the file |
| 20:25.43 | aPpYe | it it not possible to install directly to testing using the stable business card iso? It always gets hung up on the grub installer... can't seem to find any documnentation? |
| 20:25.51 | s3a | so it "ruins" the file |
| 20:25.57 | s3a | or "shreds" it :D |
| 20:26.06 | s3a | thanks Justin |
| 20:26.08 | dondelelcaro | s3a: in theory anyway; see the documentation for why that's a faulty assumption |
| 20:26.13 | s3a | and prince_jammys |
| 20:26.22 | dondelelcaro | aPpYe: it is, but you're better off using the testing installer if that works |
| 20:26.39 | dondelelcaro | aPpYe: or alternatively, installing stable, and upgrading |
| 20:26.45 | s3a | dondelelcaro, what's a faulty assumption? that it's ruining the file? |
| 20:27.04 | dondelelcaro | s3a: that it actually managed to destroy all copies of the file that may exist |
| 20:27.12 | aPpYe | does upgrading from stable give you as "clean" of an install as installing directly to testing does? |
| 20:27.18 | dondelelcaro | aPpYe: yes |
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| 20:27.42 | dondelelcaro | aPpYe: one of the major points of Debian is to track absolutely everything that is installed so you can later remove it |
| 20:28.04 | dondelelcaro | s3a: with modern filesystems and drives, there's no way to reliably know where copies of a file have been stored that are no longer refered to |
| 20:28.23 | dondelelcaro | s3a: that's why anyone who wants to securely delete files eventually has to destroy the drive |
| 20:28.26 | s3a | aPpYe, things that might be left behind are the .filename in your home directory from removed programs |
| 20:28.54 | dondelelcaro | right; generated files are something else; we can't really track them |
| 20:29.00 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, you mean this /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane-extras.rules |
| 20:29.16 | s3a | dondelelcaro, so like in my testing scenario i copied temp.odt from desktop to temp folder so i shreded it in temp but not in desktop is that what you're saying? |
| 20:29.26 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i cannot see any issue about IM in BTS (unstable) |
| 20:30.00 | s3a | dondelelcaro, so if i shred it in the directory that i created it in, it's ok? |
| 20:30.11 | s3a | dondelelcaro, assuming i'm wrong; shred can shred entire drives, right? |
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| 20:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be closed & fixed in unstable and still present in stable.... one of the meanings of stable... the bugs stay the same over a long time if they're not deemed important enough to fix... |
| 20:30.29 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it was in the past always so, most apps who uses IM have to upgrade/correct sources after changes |
| 20:30.40 | streuner_ | nah |
| 20:31.02 | s3a | one dissapointment in shred if i'm correct is that it has no confirmation question |
| 20:31.19 | s3a | i like one time confirmation questions for critical removals |
| 20:31.27 | s3a | like -I in rm instead of -i |
| 20:31.40 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, http://debian.pastebin.com/JCFQbE9T |
| 20:31.47 | dondelelcaro | s3a: in both cases, no. |
| 20:31.58 | aPpYe | okay check it out ... |
| 20:32.01 | aPpYe | !etch->lenny |
| 20:32.10 | s3a | dondelelcaro, so it's just unpredictable factors? |
| 20:32.13 | dondelelcaro | s3a: shred kills of all sectors which it can address on the drive, but on modern drives, there are always sectors which you can't address |
| 20:32.21 | aPpYe | um ... dpkg is not responding to that? |
| 20:32.33 | aPpYe | oops. |
| 20:32.39 | s3a | dondelelcaro, what prevents access to certain sectors? |
| 20:32.44 | dondelelcaro | s3a: if you just shred a file, it kills off all of the contents of the file, but it can't know that the filesystem may have journaled a copy which it no longer uses |
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| 20:32.59 | aPpYe | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:33.14 | s3a | dondelelcaro, journaling is a temporary backup, right? |
| 20:33.16 | s3a | or no? |
| 20:33.24 | s3a | for like crashes etc |
| 20:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | aPpYe, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:33.40 | jordanm | s3a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system |
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| 20:33.55 | asaleem | What does ldd, ld in ld.so stands for? |
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| 20:34.29 | aPpYe | hmm. well I was trying to bring it up in the main channel. it says to run update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` |
| 20:34.48 | dondelelcaro | asaleem: it's an abbreviation for loader, though it's normally called a linker |
| 20:35.07 | aPpYe | when I run that it gives me some message about "accept the solution" thing and says it wants to leave some dependencies unresolved. |
| 20:35.28 | jordanm | !tell aPpYe about bat |
| 20:35.41 | dondelelcaro | s3a: in terms of a drive, the drive controller presents a virtual disk to the OS, whereas the actual disk geometry can be totally different; this allows useful things like dynamically re-allocating bad sectors, and doing other important things |
| 20:35.48 | asaleem | dondelelcaro, thanks and what about u in ulimit? |
| 20:35.53 | dondelelcaro | asaleem: user |
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| 20:36.13 | dondelelcaro | asaleem: all of these things are documented in the manpage and/or wikipedia |
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| 20:36.20 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, did you get pastebin is that file you were looking for |
| 20:36.28 | s3a | dondelelcaro, kind of like a JVM in java? with communication between a program and the computer? |
| 20:37.06 | aPpYe | jordanm: lol ... okay. |
| 20:38.15 | dondelelcaro | s3a: closer would be like a gas pedal in a car; it presents the same interface even if you're driving a hybrid or a car with a manual throttle body |
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| 20:38.33 | dondelelcaro | s3a: but you have no idea if pressing the gas pedal actually means that the throttle body on the engine gets opened |
| 20:38.42 | foetus | did some changes in /etc/inputrc, made dpkg-reconfigure console-tools.. no german umlauts at tty2. could anyone help, please. i still cannot edit with german types at tty2.. |
| 20:38.56 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: you need somethling like SYSFS{idVendor}==â04f9â, SYSFS{idProduct}==â018câ, ENV{libsane_matched}=âyesâ, GROUP:="scanner" |
| 20:38.59 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: or similar |
| 20:39.14 | iluminator101 | to add on which file |
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| 20:39.29 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: the libsane udev rules file |
| 20:39.45 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: just add the , GROUP:="scanner" to the line that you already have |
| 20:40.04 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: then unplug and replug your scanner, and see if the device that gets created has the right group |
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| 20:40.31 | dondelelcaro | (it's possible to do it without plugging/unplugging, but that's usually simpler) |
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| 20:41.13 | iluminator101 | libsane udev do you mean 50-udev-default.rules or 60-libsane.rules |
| 20:41.14 | s3a | dondelelcaro, sorry i'm not really much of a car person :( |
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| 20:41.41 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: 60-libsane.rules |
| 20:41.42 | s3a | dondelelcaro, well i like making sharp turns with a steering wheel but even then it's only with a driving force gt logitech wheel (900 deg steering) not even a real car :$ |
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| 20:42.44 | s3a | dondelelcaro, but i think i get it somewhat |
| 20:43.05 | s3a | by the way, i read somewhere that 7 times overwriting was a "military standard" and shred overwrites 25 times by default! |
| 20:43.24 | s3a | well it was some windows software that claimed that |
| 20:44.34 | marshallmc | how do i configure a wireless wpa2 encryption connection |
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| 20:44.55 | foetus | i ask tomorrow again.. silly game for beginners.. |
| 20:44.58 | streuner_ | marshallmc: depends on the chipset |
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| 20:45.12 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, my line already has that |
| 20:45.14 | iluminator101 | ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0180", MODE="0666", GROUP="scanner"$, ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" |
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| 20:45.24 | iluminator101 | which line are you referring too? |
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| 20:45.31 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: that's not what you pasted. |
| 20:45.32 | streuner_ | marshallmc: if you using some ralink stuff, it might has its own rules |
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| 20:45.38 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: and it shouldn't have a $ there, either. |
| 20:45.59 | streuner_ | marshallmc: but bascially just read wiki.debian.org (wireless) |
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| 20:46.08 | dondelelcaro | s3a: it's a military standard for unclassified data, iirc; classified data requires device destruction |
| 20:46.26 | streuner_ | !listkeys wireless |
| 20:46.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (15 of 17): compat-wireless ;; seattlewireless ;; what's my wireless ;; what-wireless ;; whats my wireless ;; wireless ;; wireless connection manager ;; wireless connection managers ;; wireless help ;; wireless howto ;; wireless lan ;; wireless tree ;; wireless-more ;; wireless-testing ;; wireless-tools. |
| 20:46.32 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps it's for "confidential" information; can't remember) |
| 20:46.42 | streuner_ | dpkg, wireless howto |
| 20:46.42 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>. |
| 20:46.50 | s3a | dondelelcaro, what's the difference between confidential and classified? |
| 20:47.44 | s3a | does anyone know how to resize a terminal permantly using a GUI? |
| 20:47.47 | s3a | (GNOME) |
| 20:47.57 | streuner_ | marshallmc: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse , if you not using a chipset which use there own rules... |
| 20:48.05 | dondelelcaro | s3a: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States |
| 20:48.24 | iluminator101 | should it 018c or 0180 or do it matter? |
| 20:48.34 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, should it 018c or 0180 or do it matter? |
| 20:49.09 | s3a | dondelelcaro, so "The United States has three levels of classification: confidential, secret, and top secret." summarizes it? |
| 20:49.55 | moldovean | s3a, who care .. |
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| 20:50.21 | iluminator101 | brb |
| 20:50.23 | s3a | moldovean, well if it intertwines itself with computers then i do |
| 20:50.28 | s3a | :) |
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| 20:58.59 | iluminator101 | its work dondelelcaro |
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| 20:59.22 | iluminator101 | kudos to dondelelcaro 10*53 times |
| 20:59.52 | iluminator101 | thank you dondelelcaro |
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| 21:00.53 | iluminator101 | i will post this fix in my blog |
| 21:02.11 | eviltoaster | Why cant wireshark capture traffic between two computers and a switch in gns3? |
| 21:02.23 | eviltoaster | Do i need to make another pc ? |
| 21:03.03 | moldovean | eviltoaster, what's gns3? |
| 21:03.50 | metalfoo | A network simulator for enterprise router/switches |
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| 21:04.22 | doobiest | hey anyone at linuxcon |
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| 21:05.53 | gnarface | that is this week? |
| 21:06.00 | gnarface | i should pay more attention |
| 21:06.01 | jordanm | doobiest: we are all tired from debconf! |
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| 21:06.37 | doobiest | lol |
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| 21:06.53 | doobiest | thats cool just figured if i'd see if anyone else is idling during this keynote on irc too |
| 21:07.59 | doobiest | im actually rather impressed, i didnt expect it to be like this |
| 21:08.24 | gnarface | where is it this year? |
| 21:08.30 | gnarface | i haven't been in almost a decade |
| 21:08.31 | doobiest | boston |
| 21:08.36 | gnarface | cool |
| 21:09.02 | doobiest | um did linuxcon even exist a decade ago? I was pretty sure its a rather new thing, put on by the linux foundation |
| 21:09.11 | gnarface | i think i was there in 2001 |
| 21:09.14 | gnarface | maybe 2002 |
| 21:09.19 | doobiest | ah |
| 21:09.20 | doobiest | could be |
| 21:09.22 | gnarface | whatever year it was in san jose |
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| 21:09.40 | doobiest | i'll be back next year, theres a lot of bigwigs here and I actually have a change to talk to them, pretty fukin cool |
| 21:09.58 | doobiest | change=chance |
| 21:11.05 | gnarface | maybe it wasn't quite as far back as 2001 now i can't seem to remember |
| 21:11.15 | gnarface | feels like eons ago |
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| 21:18.02 | amgarchIn9 | Hi, how could I "reversibly" try a package from experimental on Lenny? It depends on gcc-4.5, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/gfortran-4.5 |
| 21:18.18 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: you can't, really. |
| 21:18.42 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: experimental is designed to work primarily with unstable. *However*, you could backport it |
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| 21:21.44 | amgarchIn9 | that was pretty unambigous, thnaks. Backporting gcc is probably not a piece of cake |
| 21:22.25 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: well, you can backport whatever the package is from experimental that you want to use |
| 21:22.32 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: what exactly do you want to try? |
| 21:23.36 | amgarchIn9 | gfortran, from gcc 4.5. We have a guy that cannot code anything except OOP |
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| 21:24.25 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: and the older gfortran aren't good enough? |
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| 21:24.48 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: anyway, backporting gcc is probably surprisingly easy, since it doesn't have many external dependencies |
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| 21:26.41 | amgarchIn9 | I guess I have bootstrapped that once, doable, of course |
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| 21:29.29 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: in fact, I think the main thing you need is autogen2.64 and binutils |
| 21:29.47 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: autogen2.64 is probably already backported; the main annoyance will be binutils |
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| 21:32.17 | amgarchIn9 | gfortran 4.3 is quite good as an F95 compiler. I was positively surprised. But no essential F2003 features |
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| 21:33.14 | amgarchIn9 | backporting is a longer story, I'll do it another day. |
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| 21:36.22 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose if I'm dealing with packages marked as "transitional" in lenny and apparently incomplete, there's some chance that they'll be complete in squeeze - and that no effort will be expended to update lenny. |
| 21:37.33 | themill | jhutchins_lt: transitional normally means that a package was renamed and there's an empty package there just to help you out with upgrades |
| 21:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, but no documentation on how to proced with bluetooth in the face of an incomplete package. |
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| 21:38.23 | jhutchins_lt | All documentation preceeds the "transitional" stage. |
| 21:38.32 | themill | transitional packages aren't incomplete, they're empty |
| 21:38.44 | jhutchins_lt | Even the changelogs & readme are helpless. |
| 21:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | blues-utils |
| 21:39.01 | jhutchins_lt | bluez-utils rather. Transitional, not empty. |
| 21:39.08 | themill | ,depends bluez-utils |
| 21:39.09 | judd | bluez-utils -- depends: libbluetooth2 (>= 3.14), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12), module-init-tools, makedev (<< 3.3.8.2-0) | udev, lsb-base (>= 3.0-3), dbus. |
| 21:39.58 | themill | jhutchins_lt: so if it's a transitional package, then it will only have a changelog and the package description (or at worst dependencies) will tell you where to look |
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| 21:40.00 | jhutchins_lt | kbluetooth doesn't work, unable to link due to inability to define pin. |
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| 21:40.55 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Interesting, contains only useless doc files. |
| 21:41.09 | themill | jhutchins_lt: the lenny package doesn't. the bpo package may well. |
| 21:41.17 | themill | ,versions bluez-utils |
| 21:41.18 | judd | bluez-utils -- etch: 3.7-1; lenny: 3.36-3; lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-1; sid: 4.69-1 |
| 21:41.34 | jhutchins_lt | Ja, and if you try to install it it will pull bpo because some of the other modules need the newer version. |
| 21:41.56 | themill | yes, the package on bpo is the transitional package; not the one in lenny |
| 21:42.05 | themill | ,depends bluez-utils --release lenny-backports |
| 21:42.07 | judd | bluez-utils -- depends: bluetooth. |
| 21:42.31 | themill | jhutchins_lt: so the "bluetooth" package would be the place to look these days |
| 21:43.03 | jhutchins_lt | themill: In any case, the setup appears to be incomplete if installed from scratch these days, there is no documentation on the new configuration, and it just flat don't work. |
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| 21:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | So having wasted a couple of days and seeing nothing but "pairing failed", I thought I might debootstrap squeeze onto the old kubuntu partition and see if it were any more functional there. |
| 21:44.21 | jhutchins_lt | (Any advice regarding getting it working in lenny is heartily appreciated.) |
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| 21:47.38 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, what's wrong here: debootstrap --arch x86 squeeze /squeeze ftp://ftp.us.debian.org : Failed getting release file ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/squeeze/Release |
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| 21:51.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ - docs are wrong. |
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| 21:52.39 | jhutchins_lt | Docs are correct, user is an idiot. |
| 21:52.58 | jhutchins_lt | clickwhir. |
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| 21:59.51 | jhutchins_lt | Continuing to stumble around, wtf is MAKEDEV? This system doesn't know. |
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| 22:00.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !makedev |
| 22:00.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, makedev is fixed now |
| 22:01.00 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Unfortunately does not appear to be included in what debootstrap installs. |
| 22:01.21 | petemc | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-01-20 15:40 /dev/MAKEDEV -> /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 22:01.27 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: dunno mate - just thought I'd look |
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| 22:02.04 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't dev get populated by hald these days? |
| 22:02.14 | petemc | udev |
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| 22:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Yeah, so it should populate at boot anyway without having to makedev. |
| 22:03.23 | petemc | yes |
| 22:03.39 | petemc | have you booted into your debootstrap install? |
| 22:03.55 | petemc | you can bind mount dev if you're chrooting |
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| 22:09.16 | aPpYe | okay, so to update from lenny to squeeze, I will change the sources.list entries, then "aptitude update" followed by "aptitude instal apt dpkg aptitude" followed by "aptitude full-upgrade" ... does that sound right? I got it from here: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze ... it was the first entry to pop up in a google search of "upgrade lenny squeeze" |
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| 22:10.09 | petemc | !tell aPpYe about lenny->squeeze |
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| 22:10.37 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe: follow the guide - there are few gotchas ;) |
| 22:10.50 | aPpYe | jpinx-eeepc: link? |
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| 22:11.50 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 22:11.50 | dpkg | See <squeeze udev> you may need to upgrade your kernel from bpo first. Then remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 22:11.51 | aPpYe | petemc: when I do it the way dpkg says it it gives me a bunch of errors with "solutions" with "scores" and talks about leaving dependencies unresolved |
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| 22:12.22 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe: dpkg was updated a few hours ago... |
| 22:12.50 | aPpYe | dpkg, the bot? |
| 22:12.51 | dpkg | aPpYe: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 22:13.43 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:13.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:13.56 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Not yet, still on preliminary (about to install the kernel). |
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| 22:14.54 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: right, so you need to bind mount dev |
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| 22:15.44 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe: what you are reading as the guide here was updated a few hours ago .... |
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| 22:16.48 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: do you think #564276 should be RC? (that application is currently shipping in the "desktop task") |
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| 22:17.24 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: That factoid is rather odd, doesn't it install linux-image<currently running version>? |
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| 22:21.38 | vadim | exit |
| 22:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | Err, device node not found... |
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| 22:24.32 | jhutchins_lt | Do you bind mount /dev inside or outside the chroot? |
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| 22:26.15 | jhutchins_lt | This is not going to go well, grub "cannot find list of partitions... |
| 22:26.40 | jhutchins_lt | Oh well, here goes... |
| 22:26.47 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: outside, before you chroot into it |
| 22:26.49 | smhar | what package provide pyuic4 in squeeze? |
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| 22:26.59 | adac | in sshd_config why does this work: AllowUsers root@monitoring.domain.com, root@backup.domain.com AND this NOT: AllowUsers root@monitoring.domain.com |
| 22:27.27 | adac | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.34 | petemc | !debug sshd |
| 22:27.34 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
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| 22:31.28 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: I'm not sure; if I were the maintainer, I would consider it RC, but since I'm not, it may not rise to being RC by the outside requirements |
| 22:32.29 | aztek[tum] | hm |
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| 22:36.44 | adac | petemc, ok I see. Well i will try that tomorrow, thx!! |
| 22:36.47 | exaboy | does debian have losf? |
| 22:36.55 | petemc | yes |
| 22:36.56 | exaboy | lsof |
| 22:37.05 | exaboy | what package do i need? |
| 22:37.21 | exaboy | lsof -u postgres |
| 22:37.22 | exaboy | -bash: lsof: command not found |
| 22:37.30 | petemc | guess |
| 22:38.02 | exaboy | apt-get install lsof :P |
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| 22:38.54 | White_R | esaboy: apt-cache search lsof (i absolutely don't know what lsof is) |
| 22:39.05 | White_R | exaboy: apt-cache search lsof (i absolutely don't know what lsof is) |
| 22:39.18 | exaboy | its for listing files used by the system |
| 22:39.31 | jhutchins | So I thought deb's grub setup was supposed to detect other bootable partitions. Didn't happen, only set up squeeze. |
| 22:39.47 | aPpYe | okay, this is the output I get when running the upgrade to squeeze. This is a fresh lenny installation: http://www.pastebin.org/467537 |
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| 22:41.20 | abrotman | that's fresh? with iceweasel? |
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| 22:44.35 | Trashi | hi guys. im using pureftpd with tcpserver but it ignores hosts.deny ... do you know what the reason could be? |
| 22:44.44 | aPpYe | so should I just "accept this solution?" |
| 22:45.14 | abrotman | aPpYe: it's a fresh install, will you lose any data? |
| 22:45.18 | FabParma | I am having trouble to setup an ati video adapter. i destroyed the xconf.org. Please can someone to paste a working one? |
| 22:45.26 | aPpYe | abrotman: no |
| 22:45.29 | abrotman | FabParma: just move yours aside |
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| 22:45.33 | abrotman | aPpYe: so what is the harm? |
| 22:45.57 | aPpYe | abrotman: well, when the upgrade is over, will these dependencies still be unmet? |
| 22:46.15 | abrotman | you'll install them again .. not a big deal |
| 22:46.21 | xuser | what iceweasel version will squeeze target, 3.5 or 3.6? |
| 22:46.34 | streuner_ | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 22:46.36 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.11-1; squeeze: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 22:46.44 | aPpYe | abrotman: meaning .. the full-upgrade will install them again, right? |
| 22:47.11 | abrotman | no, not a big deal, you can take care of it later |
| 22:48.36 | xuser | streuner_: it will remain 3.5? |
| 22:48.57 | FabParma | abrotman: I have not problem to show the mine. But should be useful to me to see one working. I googled but I found only tutorials, not finished configurations |
| 22:49.13 | aPpYe | abrotman: okay, so then after runnign this command, accepting the solution, rebooting and runnign a full-upgrade, the dependencies will still be unresolved? |
| 22:49.18 | streuner_ | xuser: 3.5 is in sid and squezze, so yes |
| 22:49.48 | abrotman | aPpYe: finish your full upgrade .. we'll worry about it then |
| 22:49.50 | xuser | streuner_: was curious, cause just saw this: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html |
| 22:50.09 | FabParma | ill will googling a bit more |
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| 22:55.42 | jhutchins | Interesting, you can install konversation without either X or kde. That seems buggish to me. |
| 22:56.21 | exaboy | why would my cron not be sending me mail, i have just tested from the commandline sending a test message and it works ok |
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| 22:56.50 | themill | jhutchins: not at all. You can run it over an ssh session just like any other X application |
| 22:56.55 | jordanm | exaboy: if there is no output, no mail |
| 22:57.42 | exaboy | yeah im sure there is output because i can run the item from cron manually on the CL and it outputs debug stuff :) |
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| 22:58.37 | jhutchins | themill: True. |
| 22:59.38 | jhutchins | So I'm kindof guessing that if you had bluetooth installed and working prior to the "transitional" package being rolled out, you would have the files necessary for the newer setup to work, but installed from scratch it currently does not work, appears to be missing configuration files (and docs). |
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| 23:01.08 | lyosha93 | Hi! Touchpad tap-to-click no longer works after dist-upgrade to squeeze. How do I fix it? (OK, I don't get HAL :-) |
| 23:02.11 | themill | jhutchins: there seems to be a truckload of documentation in /usr/share/doc/bluez/ (and config files in the same package). |
| 23:02.44 | jhutchins | themill: Curiously, very little of that actually addresses usage or pairing or setting the pin. |
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| 23:03.15 | lyosha93 | Oh http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 23:03.34 | abrotman | lyosha93: gsynaptics make it better? |
| 23:03.41 | jhutchins | themill: On-line documentation is all pre-transition (and doesn't work). |
| 23:04.19 | jhutchins | http://wiki.bluez.org is dead, nothing appears available at http://www.bluez.org |
| 23:04.57 | jhutchins | I'll see what happens in squeeze, it's possible I can cobble together a working setup in lenny once I see it work. |
| 23:05.04 | peppe | ops: pokie is a spambot |
| 23:05.11 | jhutchins | Off to feed the horses while kde installs. |
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| 23:08.21 | exaboy | where would crons error log go? |
| 23:08.37 | exaboy | im just wondering if its running ok |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | /var/log/ .. with the rest of the logs? |
| 23:09.10 | lyosha93 | Just tried http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Debiansqueeze.2Ckernel2.6.30-1.2CXorg7.4 Now tapping is OK, but scrolling is gone. |
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| 23:09.32 | exaboy | abrotman: nice one ;) what is its name though |
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| 23:10.05 | petemc | exaboy: syslog |
| 23:10.17 | stew | exaboy: the output from scripts run by cron get emailed to the user running the cronjob |
| 23:10.20 | exaboy | i dont have syslog |
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| 23:11.50 | exaboy | stew: im not receiving any emails so im tring to narrow down where they are going... |
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| 23:12.11 | stew | exaboy: what user are the cron jobs running as? |
| 23:12.20 | lyosha93 | Damn. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Debiansqueeze.2Ckernel2.6.32-4andlater.2CXorg7.5 |
| 23:12.25 | stew | exaboy: do you know that they are running at all? |
| 23:12.29 | exaboy | root *gasp* |
| 23:12.44 | s5s | hey I can't connect to the internet. I get - "No IPv6 routers present" |
| 23:13.02 | abrotman | exaboy: there is a cron.log ? |
| 23:13.04 | s5s | I'm using debian squeeze latest image |
| 23:13.12 | stew | exaboy: does "grep ^root /etc/aliases" show root's email being redirected somewhere? |
| 23:13.36 | exaboy | grep ^root /etc/aliases |
| 23:13.37 | exaboy | root: root |
| 23:13.49 | petemc | useful |
| 23:13.55 | stew | exaboy: and how are you trying to check if root has email? |
| 23:14.12 | exaboy | i looked in /var/mail and there is no root "box" |
| 23:14.39 | exaboy | # mail -> No mail for root |
| 23:14.43 | stew | exaboy: where is this cronjob listed? in the user's crontab? or somewhere in /etc? |
| 23:15.15 | exaboy | cronjob is entered from crontab -e |
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| 23:16.27 | stew | exaboy: do you know if your job is getting run at all? |
| 23:16.31 | exaboy | */5 * * * * /usr/bin/php -q /var/www/test.php |
| 23:16.46 | exaboy | stew: thats what im trying to work out. |
| 23:16.57 | exaboy | i can run taht command from the CL fine and i get output |
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| 23:18.09 | abrotman | exaboy: which version of PHP is this ? |
| 23:18.32 | exaboy | php --version -> PHP 5.2.6-1+lenny9 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Aug 4 2010 03:25:57) |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | what does -q do ? |
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| 23:20.14 | petemc | syslog might be useful in such a situation |
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| 23:21.31 | exaboy | do i need to install that mate? |
| 23:21.38 | petemc | why dont you have it? |
| 23:21.41 | exaboy | because there is no syslog in my /var/log |
| 23:21.50 | exaboy | NFI |
| 23:21.58 | petemc | how did you install debian? |
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| 23:22.55 | abrotman | oh, there isn't a cron.log anymore ... |
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| 23:23.21 | exaboy | petemc. i didnt, im on a VPS OpenVS |
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| 23:23.55 | petemc | exaboy: dpkg -l | grep log , does that show anything that looks like syslog |
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| 23:25.22 | exaboy | rsyslog? |
| 23:25.29 | abrotman | close enough |
| 23:25.29 | petemc | thats syslog |
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| 23:26.17 | exaboy | its not logging anywhere though ;_ |
| 23:26.56 | petemc | look in /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| 23:27.46 | stew | exaboy: is cron running? |
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| 23:28.46 | exaboy | OMFG cron is not starting on boot. |
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| 23:29.39 | exaboy | i also uncommented the cron log in /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| 23:30.16 | petemc | exaboy: is there a line before that with *.* ? |
| 23:30.25 | exaboy | petemc: *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog |
| 23:30.34 | exaboy | was just about to say something about that :) |
| 23:31.34 | petemc | is rsyslog running? |
| 23:32.01 | exaboy | no it was not |
| 23:32.24 | petemc | a lot of the VPSs are of varying quality |
| 23:32.46 | exaboy | jesus that is frustrating. im sorry about that. |
| 23:33.02 | exaboy | how do i get these to start on boot? |
| 23:33.35 | petemc | exaboy: does ls -la /etc/rc?.d/ | grep sys output anything ? |
| 23:33.54 | exaboy | no it doesnt |
| 23:34.34 | petemc | i know nothing of openvz, but that seems fairly broken |
| 23:35.23 | exaboy | rc.d is boot stuff right. init.d is current processes? |
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| 23:35.52 | petemc | the scripts in the rc.d directories are links to the scripts in init.d |
| 23:35.56 | petemc | at least they should be |
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| 23:36.45 | exaboy | ok. well it looks like by default this flavor of debian on OpenVz doesnt do the syslog or cron. |
| 23:37.07 | petemc | exaboy: it would be a bit of a pain to set up everything manually, i would enquire with your provider as to why things are as they are |
| 23:37.35 | stew | exaboy: what does "fgrep update-rc.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/cron.postinst" return ? |
| 23:38.13 | exaboy | fgrep update-rc.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/cron.postinst -> update-rc.d cron start 89 2 3 4 5 . stop 11 1 . >/dev/null |
| 23:38.30 | stew | exaboy: so its not the flavor of debian. it was set to run on boot when cron was installed. someone disabled it since then |
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| 23:38.44 | exaboy | oh nice. |
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| 23:38.58 | stew | exaboy: and that is the line you might use to re-enable it at boot |
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| 23:39.22 | exaboy | which? |
| 23:39.32 | stew | update-rc.d cron start 89 2 3 4 5 . stop 11 1 . |
| 23:39.32 | exaboy | i started it with init.d/cron start |
| 23:39.55 | stew | exaboy: but when you reboot it won't be running, the above line says to start it in runlevels 2-5 |
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| 23:40.02 | exaboy | ok ive run it and its going to start 5 cronds next time :) |
| 23:40.20 | stew | ? |
| 23:40.25 | exaboy | ooh ok this is where im lost. |
| 23:40.39 | exaboy | Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/cron ... |
| 23:40.46 | exaboy | + /etc/rc1.d/K11cron -> ../init.d/cron |
| 23:40.57 | exaboy | ..etc |
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| 23:41.49 | exaboy | so how can i get it to run on boot properly ? and more interstingly why would it be setup to be like that in the first place. |
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| 23:42.01 | stew | exaboy: if you aren't familiar with sysv-rc you might read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc |
| 23:42.22 | stew | exaboy: you can get it to run at boot properly by running "update-rc.d cron start 89 2 3 4 5 . stop 11 1 ." |
| 23:42.37 | stew | exaboy: to find out why this is not currently setup, ask whomever setup the server |
| 23:42.44 | stew | assuming they are the ones that disabled it |
| 23:43.30 | exaboy | ok i will. they are quite good about things like this. i have had them update kernel settings which i was quite relieved they were flexible about |
| 23:43.55 | stew | not having syslog running seems a little crazy |
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| 23:44.50 | exaboy | was your comment above "exaboy: but when you reboot it won't be running, the above line says to start it in runlevels 2-5" referring to my init.d/cron comment? |
| 23:45.58 | exaboy | because if not you just said to run the same command "update-rc.d cron start 89 2 3 4 5 . stop 11 1 ." to get it to run on boot where you earlier said it wouldnt. |
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| 23:47.15 | stew | exaboy: what I was trying to say is that if all you did was to start it by running "/etc/init.d/cron start" that wouldn't be enough to get it to run after a reboot. |
| 23:47.34 | exaboy | yeah ok sweet :) i know that. |
| 23:47.37 | stew | exaboy: that comment says to start cron in rulevels 2,3,4,5 and stop it in runlevel 1 |
| 23:47.44 | stew | (man update-rc.d) |
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| 23:48.09 | exaboy | i will have to do the same no doubt for syslog |
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| 23:48.51 | stew | yes, but then you'll want to start it much earlier than 89, check where it was started in its postinst |
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| 23:49.38 | abrotman | wonders where stew came from ... |
| 23:49.38 | TTimo | hey I'm trying to find info about how best to obtain a list of installed packages, and make sure they are applied to another machine (migrating stuff, or giving a recipe for some software setup to someone) |
| 23:49.46 | abrotman | !tell TTimo about aptitude clone |
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| 23:49.56 | TTimo | ty |
| 23:50.58 | exaboy | fgrep update-rc.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/rsyslog -> update-rc.d rsyslog start 10 2 3 4 5 . stop 90 0 1 6 . >/dev/null |
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| 23:51.34 | exaboy | lucky number 10. |
| 23:52.28 | exaboy | i should reboot to see if this stuff now runs ;) |
| 23:52.45 | exaboy | thanks for your help stew! you mate are a legend |
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| 23:56.55 | exaboy | thanks abrotman for the moral support |
| 23:57.17 | Nai-ux | hi, ldd on a binary said lubglut.so.3 was missing, i installed libglut3 from apt now the application tries to launch but segfaults... |
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| 23:57.42 | abrotman | moral support? |
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| 23:58.47 | exaboy | yeah you were there as backup, you know, in case stew was talkign crap :P |
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| 23:59.06 | stew | doodie poopoo |
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