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| 00:00.08 | exaboy | which of course you were not. hense the praise :P |
| 00:01.27 | abrotman | stew: are you fluent in that? |
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| 00:02.28 | stew | darn tootin |
| 00:02.39 | Nai-ux | oh nevermind, i think its related to gmemusage bug in debian, i will patch and see how i go. |
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| 00:05.37 | FabParma | abrotman: I decided to create a file with all informations about my hardware and inserting my xorg.conf. I hope that you or some good guy can tell me what I mistake |
| 00:05.57 | FabParma | sorri the link ... http://pastebin.com/tLaP8PKH |
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| 00:07.11 | abrotman | which versoin of lenny? |
| 00:07.14 | abrotman | of debian |
| 00:07.33 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep VGA .. show us the line for your card |
| 00:07.41 | abrotman | well .. more importantly the xxxx:xxxx at the end |
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| 00:17.14 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 00:17.30 | man_in_shack | so i'm trying to make xorg ignore a particular mouse device |
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| 00:17.56 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/227306/ << faq i found says to add this |
| 00:18.01 | man_in_shack | i guess this is to an fdi |
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| 00:18.06 | man_in_shack | where should i stick that fdi file? |
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| 00:24.18 | abrotman | FabParma: lspci -nn | grep VGA ? |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 00:25.12 | abrotman | man_in_shack: /etc/hal/fdi/ perhaps, but not sure which subdir |
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| 00:27.58 | FabParma | yes i done |
| 00:28.12 | FabParma | im tring to copy on a floppy |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | it's one line |
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| 00:28.20 | abrotman | it's nine characters |
| 00:28.34 | FabParma | only numbers |
| 00:28.40 | FabParma | ? |
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| 00:29.14 | abrotman | the xxxx:xxxx at the end |
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| 00:29.30 | man_in_shack | maybe my X is too old for hal input? i'm not sure :( |
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| 00:30.32 | FabParma | ok |
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| 00:31.54 | FabParma | it starts 04:00.0 vga compatible controller ati [0300] [1002:9498] |
| 00:32.00 | iluminator101 | pc freeze when scanner goes to sleep....does someone else have had this problem if so what is the fix? |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | judd: xorg 1002:9498 |
| 00:32.36 | judd | Device 1002:9498 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 00:32.41 | abrotman | FabParma: that's not good |
| 00:33.07 | FabParma | abrotman: the infos on pastebin wasen't usefulness? |
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| 00:34.12 | FabParma | the livecd has found everythinc |
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| 00:34.22 | FabParma | *everything |
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| 00:34.27 | iluminator101 | scanner sleep freeze the pc can someone help? |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | FabParma: what livecd? |
| 00:34.38 | FabParma | how it is possible? |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | FabParma: what livecd? |
| 00:35.34 | iluminator101 | when scanner sleep freezes the pc any suggestions? |
| 00:35.49 | FabParma | you didn't red my pastebin ... the live cd was this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
| 00:35.53 | abrotman | iluminator101: please stop repeating .. you've said that three times in five minutes |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | FabParma: it must have fglrx, that's all i can think of |
| 00:36.21 | iluminator101 | i got you |
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| 00:36.30 | abrotman | FabParma: oh wait .. radeonhd says it supports it |
| 00:36.32 | FabParma | abrotman: i installed all driver |
| 00:36.50 | abrotman | FabParma: what are you using to start X ? |
| 00:37.01 | FabParma | following the Debian guide |
| 00:37.11 | FabParma | out of sync |
| 00:37.13 | abrotman | FabParma: how are you starting X? gdm? kdm? startx? |
| 00:37.36 | FabParma | i have to press ctr+alt+minus |
| 00:37.45 | abrotman | that's not what i asked/ |
| 00:37.50 | FabParma | 3 time to see the login |
| 00:38.11 | FabParma | gdm |
| 00:38.17 | FabParma | the default one |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | FabParma: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup .. then /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:40.33 | FabParma | remember that i done this sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 00:41.07 | FabParma | was written into the xorg.conf |
| 00:42.02 | FabParma | so, now if i want try to recreate tre xorg probabilly i have to re-activate that function |
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| 00:42.43 | abrotman | FabParma: that's not what i said |
| 00:42.50 | abrotman | if you're not going to do what i say, why are you asking? |
| 00:43.21 | FabParma | i go to do |
| 00:43.36 | FabParma | but i want that you know all |
| 00:43.46 | FabParma | all what i made |
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| 00:49.06 | FabParma | done |
| 00:49.22 | FabParma | it say out of syncron |
| 00:49.39 | FabParma | i cheched the xorg.conf |
| 00:49.44 | FabParma | now missing |
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| 00:50.01 | abrotman | it stlil says that ? |
| 00:50.19 | abrotman | you can use "X -configure" to create an xorg.conf that you can edit |
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| 00:50.47 | FabParma | probabily because the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" has inibhithed the creation of new one automatically |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | that doesn't work anymore |
| 00:51.19 | FabParma | no |
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| 00:51.30 | FabParma | exactly like befor |
| 00:51.37 | FabParma | *before |
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| 00:52.03 | FabParma | i go to create an xorg.conf |
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| 00:57.11 | FabParma | babylon says wrong synchronism |
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| 01:06.48 | madi | I all, can anyone help me? I have to edit the file /etc/sudoers because i don't have the privileges, but i don't have visudo (debian just installed) and don't have network (i'm trying to install the firmware for the wireless) |
| 01:07.21 | madi | any idea? |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | you can use regular vi |
| 01:07.23 | jordanm | anyone have an idea about getting a report such as wnpp-altert, only for packages containing RC bugs/ |
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| 01:08.01 | madi | abrotman, it says i don't have privileges to modify sudoers file |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | jordanm: looked at the 'bts' command ? |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | madi: use 'su' first |
| 01:08.57 | jordanm | abrotman: hehe, no, never knew it existed. I had used "querybts" before however. will have a look, thanks |
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| 01:10.07 | madi | abrotman, ok, I opened the sudoers file, but i have no idea how vi works O.o;;; |
| 01:10.08 | abrotman | there's all kinds of stuff in there |
| 01:10.12 | FabParma | how to undo from "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" to allow the system to update the xorg.conf? |
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| 01:10.17 | abrotman | madi: i'd guess the same as visudo ? |
| 01:10.32 | iluminator101 | How do i disable usb scanner sleep mode? |
| 01:10.45 | jordanm | abrotman: visudo uses /usr/bin/editor or EDITOR |
| 01:10.58 | abrotman | oh, then maybe he should use nano instead of vi ? |
| 01:10.59 | jordanm | which I think is nano by default in debian |
| 01:11.06 | madi | abrotman, it seems that i cannot edit the file |
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| 01:11.19 | abrotman | madi: try hitting 'i', then typing |
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| 01:14.21 | madi | abrotman, OK, and now, just to save and quit? |
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| 01:14.36 | s5s | If I have an older model ATI card what I my options? I have my code which compiles on Lenny but doesn't compile on Squeeze and the open source driver seems to be trying to break my screen |
| 01:15.25 | iluminator101 | How do i disable usb scanner sleep? |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | madi: hit 'esc' first |
| 01:15.35 | abrotman | madi: then type ":wq" |
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| 01:16.15 | mroe | is there a way to load modules in explicit order? |
| 01:16.26 | abrotman | yes .. you can use the module rules |
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| 01:16.44 | mroe | ok...how does one do that? |
| 01:17.16 | madi | abrotman, almost.. E45: readonly option is set (add ! to override) but when i type ! nothing happens |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | madi: :w! |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | mroe: there used to be a way to say "before i load this module, modprobe this one" |
| 01:17.53 | mroe | is there not anymore? |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | i'm looking, been awhile since i had to use it |
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| 01:18.24 | abrotman | mroe: man modprobe.d |
| 01:18.57 | iluminator101 | How do i disable usb scanner sleep mode? |
| 01:19.09 | madi | abrotman, thank you very much! this vi is kind of magical formula LOL |
| 01:19.26 | mroe | abrotman, looking, thanks |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | !tell madi about vi tutorial |
| 01:20.11 | mroe | abrotman, I don't have a man page for that |
| 01:20.55 | mroe | I think you meant modprobe.conf |
| 01:20.59 | mroe | maybe? |
| 01:21.26 | jordanm | abrotman: I can see a way to do it with bts, but it will be hard to fold |
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| 01:22.28 | abrotman | fold into what? |
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| 01:22.33 | abrotman | mroe: perhaps .. |
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| 01:23.00 | mroe | looks like I am interested in modules.dep |
| 01:23.02 | madi | abrotman, that page is under construction, btw thank you |
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| 01:23.20 | abrotman | madi: oh, must have changed |
| 01:24.14 | iluminator101 | how do i turn off usb suspend support in kernel ? |
| 01:24.30 | jordanm | abrotman: well, the way I see it is I need to grab the package list with something like foo=$(wnpp-altert | awk '{print $3}'); then get it into 'bts select package:$var serverity:serious' |
| 01:25.00 | jordanm | most of the commands are for send to the bts |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | jordanm: there is an 'rc' option for bts |
| 01:25.17 | jordanm | abrotman: it opens up the rc bug webpage |
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| 01:25.42 | jordanm | show [release-critical | release-critical/... | RC] |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | probably another way to get different format |
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| 01:27.12 | jordanm | well, it describes the command as that is what it does |
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| 01:27.46 | jordanm | abrotman: what was the tool they had a talk on? some python bts tool |
| 01:27.55 | jordanm | didn't go... |
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| 01:28.48 | abrotman | jordanm: not a tool, a library, python-debianbts |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | easy to work with |
| 01:29.04 | jordanm | that might do, will check it out |
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| 01:29.12 | abrotman | seemingly anyway .. themill and i think we'll use it for plugins for judd |
| 01:29.38 | iluminator101 | how do i turn off usb sleep mode in a scanner? |
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| 01:30.24 | jordanm | abrotman: too bad the only documentation it came with is an example.. |
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| 01:30.39 | abrotman | jordanm: it's not that hard though .. it only has like eight functions |
| 01:30.42 | iluminator101 | this happens not when pc sleeps, the scanner just goes to sleep |
| 01:31.43 | madi | oh, i noticed another nice problem.. grub does not recognize all the partitions, but only debian |
| 01:31.58 | madi | lucky me |
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| 01:32.32 | iluminator101 | abrotman, how do i disable scanner sleep mode, after a scan it sleep and freeze my pc? |
| 01:32.54 | abrotman | iluminator101: don't you think with the 100 times you've asked in the last 30 minutes, i'd have answered you? |
| 01:32.58 | abrotman | you can't stop repeating |
| 01:33.05 | iluminator101 | i got you |
| 01:33.40 | stew | iluminator101: is the box completely frozen? you cannot ssh in from another machine, for instance? |
| 01:34.49 | iluminator101 | stew it freezes completely when scanner goes to sleep, i have to press the power button to restart it |
| 01:35.06 | madi | how can i fix the grub? any idea? |
| 01:35.13 | stew | iluminator101: so it sounds like a bug in the kernel module for the scanner. perhaps try a newer kernel version |
| 01:37.30 | s5s | Is it a good idea to run squeeze under an older kernel? |
| 01:38.21 | iluminator101 | stew...is kernel 2.6.35 stable? |
| 01:39.09 | s5s | iluminator101: well the whole Squeeze is under freeze but in general yes |
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| 01:39.37 | s5s | iluminator101: that's the mainline kernle anyway |
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| 01:40.11 | iluminator101 | s5s what you mean mainline kernel? |
| 01:40.46 | iluminator101 | i dont know about upgrading the kernel that a little beyond my skills |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | s5s: not really, why? |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | madi: what's wrong with it? |
| 01:41.26 | iluminator101 | besides it probably full of bugs.. |
| 01:41.28 | abrotman | madi: lenny or squeeze? |
| 01:41.51 | madi | abrotman, squeeze. I have 2 partitions but i can see only debian |
| 01:42.53 | iluminator101 | stew there is gotta be some other way to do this? |
| 01:43.07 | s5s | abrotman: kernel.org has it as stable/mainline and it is the kernel for squeeze and squeeze is in freeze so it must be stable, right? |
| 01:43.29 | abrotman | s5s: .35 is NOT the kernel for squeeze |
| 01:43.41 | abrotman | madi: grub or grub2? have you tried installing os-prober? |
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| 01:44.07 | s5s | iluminator101: why don't you try a different kernel module version instead of trying a different kernel version? |
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| 01:44.36 | madi | abrotman, i'm not sure if it is grub or grub 2, i didn't choose any options, just default |
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| 01:45.08 | s5s | abrotman: oh yes - .32-5 |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | madi: dpkg -l grub* |
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| 01:46.54 | wathek | hello |
| 01:46.59 | wathek | I want to enable mod rewrite (a2enmod rewrite) but I'm getting this error : ERROR: Module rewrite not properly enabled: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load is a real file, not touching it |
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| 01:47.31 | abrotman | did you copy it instead of doing a symlink ? |
| 01:47.46 | s5s | exit |
| 01:47.46 | wathek | abrotman, I'm using the a2enmod command |
| 01:47.59 | tharkun | on this page http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ what release does the blue line refer to? |
| 01:48.00 | iluminator101 | i knew i something was funking i been using the trunk kernel |
| 01:48.07 | abrotman | wathek: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load .. what does it say ? |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | iluminator101: that's really bad |
| 01:48.12 | wathek | let me check |
| 01:48.17 | wathek | abrotman, I see what you mean |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | tharkun: nothing good! |
| 01:48.32 | abrotman | tharkun: RC bugs in lenny |
| 01:48.33 | xylox | now that squeeze is frozen, i'm wondering if the usual flow of packages from sid to testing gets stopped until squeeze becomes stable? or there still a testing release that is different to squeeze? or squeeze and testing continue the same until squeeze becomes stable? |
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| 01:48.49 | wathek | abrotman, thank you |
| 01:48.51 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: "and the blue line graphs the number of bugs that are a concern for the current stable release." |
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| 01:49.36 | dvs | xylox: sid slows down too |
| 01:50.00 | abrotman | xylox: not "stopped", but it slows down a lot |
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| 01:51.02 | xylox | oh ok, so during the freeze pointing my repo to squeeze or testing is exactly the same right? |
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| 01:51.16 | dondelelcaro | xylox: it always is |
| 01:51.18 | dvs | xylox: yup |
| 01:51.22 | dondelelcaro | xylox: well, until squeeze releases, anyway |
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| 01:52.09 | xylox | oh ok, thanks, i was getting a little confused on this |
| 01:52.24 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: We have a discussion on some other channel that the blue line was the squeeze line, not the lenny one. I only needed an official confirmation |
| 01:52.42 | madi | abrotman, i have grub2 |
| 01:52.52 | abrotman | madi: is os-prober installed ? |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | tharkun: it says below? |
| 01:53.57 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: what I quoted comes from right below the graph |
| 01:54.07 | dondelelcaro | (and actually, I think I may have even committed that change to bugscan) |
| 01:55.07 | dondelelcaro | ah, no it was Sesse |
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| 01:55.16 | tharkun | abrotman: It does, but some people have different ideas. How can you have a release critidcal bug on an allready released distribution. |
| 01:55.32 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: easily; we find new RC bugs all of the time |
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| 01:55.56 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: That is reasonable and i understand it that way thx |
| 01:56.21 | abrotman | wonders where this conversation is going on ... |
| 01:57.34 | dondelelcaro | anyway, if someone has a question, they can ask here (or ask me) and it will be answered |
| 01:57.48 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: as allways. :-) |
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| 02:03.58 | madi | abrotman, (sorry for delay) os-prober is installed |
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| 02:04.58 | abrotman | update-grub ? |
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| 02:15.17 | madi | abrotman, thanks, i'll try (now is updating everything) |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | okay |
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| 02:21.32 | stanza01 | Does anyone have an idea why PCM options don't show up in alsamixer ? |
| 02:21.55 | stanza01 | ie. no sound through laptop speakers |
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| 02:23.20 | tharkun | stanza01: run amixer without any parameters |
| 02:23.37 | dvs | stanza01: press TAB? |
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| 02:29.09 | stanza01 | Yes and yes |
| 02:29.18 | stanza01 | Any other solutions? |
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| 02:43.34 | madi | abrotman, just to say that it worked, appreciate :) |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 02:43.52 | madi | thanks :) |
| 02:44.22 | madi | good night everybody o/ |
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| 03:12.37 | iluminator101 | ocr was making my pc free |
| 03:13.20 | iluminator101 | i am using the tessearact its works much better |
| 03:14.00 | iluminator101 | thanks guys |
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| 03:29.09 | ScottG | Ever since I did an upgrade flash hasn't been working in firefox or chrome |
| 03:30.10 | ScottG | I can click a link on the page to go to download an "upgrade" but when I follow the link it says "Your Google Chrome browser already includes the latest Adobe® Flash® Player built-in." |
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| 03:46.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ScottG about flash |
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| 03:51.51 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: So even if I use chrome I want flashplayer-mozilla? |
| 03:52.23 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Actually, it says for testing users (I'm on testing) you are suppose to use flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:52.38 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: I doubt it - debian uses iceweasel by default |
| 03:52.54 | ScottG | Right, I'm aware |
| 03:53.40 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: So I seem to have the correct package, then. Not sure what I am doing wrong |
| 03:54.34 | ScottG | Ah, actually it looks like they may have a workaround on the site |
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| 03:58.37 | iluminator101 | my /usr is full how i resolve this issue, its a 4 gig encrypted partition |
| 04:00.01 | knightstalker | Hello,yesterday I tried to install network-manager-gnome but I had problem with dependencies so it didn't install,may I know everything which I need to install for the network-manager to work? |
| 04:01.19 | dissidentss | use aptitude to check what dependencies you have conflicts with |
| 04:04.02 | knightstalker | I am without internet connection |
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| 04:06.22 | Rusty1 | iluminator101: start by fsck -ing the partition |
| 04:09.59 | knightstalker | oudh |
| 04:10.11 | knightstalker | My Debian seems to miss ANYTHING,even simple gcc -.- |
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| 04:14.15 | knightstalker | nope,its not the way,whats the fastest way for me to get connected to internet? |
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| 04:22.59 | Quintin | Any linux software for composing chiptunes?? |
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| 04:44.48 | jmarsden | Quintin: Not sure about composing... stymulator can play and convert them. |
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| 05:02.14 | domzinique | !hi |
| 05:02.15 | dpkg | hello, domzinique |
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| 05:06.00 | knightstalker | !networkmanager |
| 05:06.00 | dpkg | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. Squeeze/testing users: ask me about <nm squeeze>. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions. Backported 0.7.3 packages available, ask me about <bpo>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <wireless connection managers>. |
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| 05:06.17 | knightstalker | *cries* |
| 05:06.31 | nogo | you failed |
| 05:06.38 | knightstalker | nogo,did I?how? |
| 05:06.45 | knightstalker | I don't think its me failing |
| 05:06.52 | knightstalker | my Debian just misses everything |
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| 05:07.00 | knightstalker | from gcc to NetworkManager |
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| 05:07.10 | nogo | that's normal in the history |
| 05:07.27 | Quintin | lastlog quintin |
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| 05:08.11 | Arrowmaster | knightstalker: for gcc install build-essential |
| 05:08.16 | knightstalker | HOW? |
| 05:08.20 | knightstalker | I am without internet! |
| 05:08.25 | knightstalker | I am without network-manager! |
| 05:08.37 | knightstalker | and its the 2nd day I am trying to get it work =( |
| 05:08.40 | Arrowmaster | well you dont need network-manager for internet access |
| 05:08.49 | linoge | that's right |
| 05:08.49 | knightstalker | its wireless connection anyway |
| 05:08.53 | knightstalker | so how to do it without it? |
| 05:08.55 | linoge | you can use wpa_supplicant |
| 05:09.09 | Arrowmaster | how did you install the system? |
| 05:09.09 | knightstalker | okay,so what exactly should I do? ^_^ |
| 05:09.13 | knightstalker | hmm via CD |
| 05:09.44 | Arrowmaster | 650mb CD? not one of the little images? |
| 05:09.56 | knightstalker | yeah,full CD I beleive |
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| 05:10.07 | Arrowmaster | do you know what wireless hardware you have? |
| 05:10.17 | knightstalker | yeah,and its an ndiswrappered on |
| 05:10.19 | knightstalker | one* |
| 05:10.32 | Arrowmaster | uh |
| 05:10.57 | Arrowmaster | never messes with ndiswrapper, just know its a pain |
| 05:11.21 | Arrowmaster | maybe somebody else knows more about ndiswrapper |
| 05:11.29 | knightstalker | God... |
| 05:11.32 | Arrowmaster | but you should be able to install build-essential from the CD |
| 05:12.07 | knightstalker | what about the damn network manager? |
| 05:12.19 | Arrowmaster | that is probably on their too |
| 05:12.22 | Arrowmaster | there |
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| 05:26.26 | roe | anyone know if there is a netboot installer for squeeze yet? |
| 05:28.06 | Arrowmaster | roe: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:31.03 | roe | thanks |
| 05:32.08 | roe | lets see how well it works... |
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| 05:34.11 | dserban | How do I see why a package is to be removed/kept back with the apt-get tool? (or apt-* utilities) I can't use aptitude |
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| 05:36.05 | dbion | hello i need a quick help with my installation(doing it right now), i hope someone has time to reply me . what mount point I choose in the partioning? |
| 05:36.34 | dbion | can it stay at none? I am doing a dual boot with windows |
| 05:37.09 | dserban | dbion: probably / |
| 05:37.26 | dbion | i am doing the manual partition |
| 05:37.33 | dbion | so root mount I guess? |
| 05:37.42 | tbsaunde | dbion: if you have free space on the drive why not use guided? |
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| 05:38.04 | dbion | i have 2 other partitions already there(had ubuntu there) |
| 05:38.04 | tbsaunde | dbion: yes, you need some partition to be mounted at / or root |
| 05:38.20 | dbion | i am installing over ubuntu pretty much |
| 05:38.36 | tbsaunde | dbion: oh, ok, then manuel might make sense |
| 05:39.07 | dbion | ok thanks, / made sense, but I just wanted to make sure |
| 05:39.12 | tbsaunde | dbion: ubuntu was two partitions one data one swap? |
| 05:39.13 | tbsaunde | dbion: np |
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| 05:39.32 | dbion | yeah one ubuntu part and one swap + windows+ ntfs data |
| 05:40.12 | dbion | i actually installed debian couple hours ago, but upgrade messed up :( |
| 05:40.42 | dbion | i thinkl upgrade (sequeeze) totally messed up gnome, all i was getting vertical bars at the bottom |
| 05:40.44 | dserban | hmm, ok how do I see why apt-get wants to keep a package back? I asked it to upgrade iceweasel from -t lenny-backports and it wants to upgrade 30 or so packages, but keep back 22 others while iceweasel is one of the ones kept back. I want to understand why it's making this decisison. |
| 05:40.45 | dbion | after a restart |
| 05:41.13 | dbion | i did / as my mount for that one, just wanted to make sure it was not a mount point issue this time |
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| 05:41.48 | dserban | dbion: sounds like a borked install, or a buggy package. The / mount wouldn't have anything to do with gnome. |
| 05:42.02 | tbsaunde | dbion: ok, you may want to use backports instead of squeeze, but that's up to you |
| 05:42.20 | dbion | ok cool, definetely it sounds like messed up upgrade |
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| 05:42.32 | dbion | this is the second time i am having issues with python default |
| 05:42.51 | tbsaunde | dbion: what do you mean? |
| 05:42.53 | dbion | i have debian on my macbook, had borked update, and started having issues with pythons |
| 05:43.18 | dbion | well for some reason some update packages did not seem to like the debian python alternative setup |
| 05:43.29 | dbion | some was wanteing 2.6 and debian was set to 2.5 |
| 05:43.32 | tbsaunde | dbion: is this testing? |
| 05:43.35 | dbion | yes |
| 05:43.48 | dbion | i managed to fix it manually symlinking |
| 05:43.57 | dbion | but my current install was not that lucky |
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| 05:44.35 | dbion | i tried rescue mode and fix update but python default got me here, i am not very skilled with linux, so i am sure that contributed to issue as well |
| 05:45.09 | dbion | basically some packages give errors related to unmet dependencies |
| 05:45.32 | dbion | which has something to do with python, do not remember the exact error messages, it was in the shell did not have a chance to record |
| 05:45.50 | roe | hearts netboot |
| 05:46.39 | domzinique | Hi! How do I add more session languages to my system? I have squeeze |
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| 05:47.59 | tbsaunde | !tell domzinique about locales |
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| 05:53.12 | domzinique | tbsaunde, locales is missing the languages I need. Any way to add them? |
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| 05:53.42 | tbsaunde | domzinique: I don't know |
| 05:54.03 | tbsaunde | domzinique: sure?/ what language are you looking for |
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| 05:57.18 | blast_hardcheese | Gah. What could cause a private key to fail on one account but work fine on another? |
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| 05:59.13 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: try ssh -v -v -v? might the public key on the server be bad? |
| 05:59.29 | blast_hardcheese | Using the same authorized_keys file, tried -vvv |
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| 06:02.17 | domzinique | tbsaunde, indian languages: telugu, tamil and marathi! I saw them in ubuntu! |
| 06:03.21 | blast_hardcheese | I even tried removing the .ssh directory in that account then creating it with ssh-copy-id |
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| 06:04.24 | tbsaunde | domzinique: hmm, sorry, I really don't know, try later? |
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| 06:05.12 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: ok, so the key should be good |
| 06:05.52 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: So its probably settings on the sshd, what did you see when you did ssh -v -v -v to the machine that doesn't work? |
| 06:06.24 | blast_hardcheese | It's not the /machine/ |
| 06:06.27 | blast_hardcheese | it's the /user/ |
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| 06:07.13 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: oh, that's interesting |
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| 06:07.53 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: can you look at auth.log, and is there any per user configuration on the sshd? |
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| 06:09.18 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm. |
| 06:09.30 | blast_hardcheese | seemed to be related to the uid |
| 06:09.34 | blast_hardcheese | had to delete the user, |
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| 06:09.53 | blast_hardcheese | add a new account to take the 'bad' uid, |
| 06:09.55 | blast_hardcheese | then recreated the account |
| 06:09.59 | blast_hardcheese | everything worked perfectly |
| 06:10.13 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: oic |
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| 06:12.43 | KnightStalker | sorry that I was gone |
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| 06:15.57 | KnightStalker | how can I install new packages on Debian via CD? |
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| 06:17.14 | yuri_sevatz | hola |
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| 06:17.56 | yuri_sevatz | was wondering if linux-image-2.6.35-686 can be installed |
| 06:18.03 | yuri_sevatz | (and how, via apt-get?) |
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| 06:22.06 | dominick | yuri_sevatz, the linux is available in experimental! |
| 06:22.16 | dominick | !experimental |
| 06:22.16 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 06:23.40 | yuri_sevatz | dominick: yes, i noticed that - I was curious how i would go about telling my system to upgrate *to* that specific experimental package... moreover keep the lastes linux-image-686 available? |
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| 06:24.59 | yuri_sevatz | I run experimental all the time on my other distributions... this kernel provides features I'm intersted in |
| 06:25.10 | yuri_sevatz | (I've just never done it with debian!) |
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| 06:27.17 | yuri_sevatz | I've done it before with packages such as git, svn, etc |
| 06:27.17 | yuri_sevatz | this one is just confusing because it's named rather oddly |
| 06:28.05 | yuri_sevatz | linux-image-2.6.35-rc6-i686 vs linux-image-2.6.26-2-i686 vs linux-image-i686 |
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| 06:28.09 | dominick | yuri_sevatz, add experimental repo to /etc/apt/sources.list, but you try it at your own risk and there will be no support from this channel! |
| 06:28.42 | yuri_sevatz | dominick: is there any way of pinning the lastest revision of this package? |
| 06:29.12 | yuri_sevatz | I'm confused because the version number is directly in the middle of the package name |
| 06:29.22 | ondrejk | hello, i'm trying to edit my .config/ssh so when i type "ssh machine", it will execute "luit -encoding iso8859-2 ssh machine", is there any way to do it? |
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| 06:31.41 | yuri_sevatz | ondrejk: locale support might be separate... I'm assuming it might not be possible to put that in .config/ssh |
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| 06:32.10 | ondrejk | yuri_sevatz: it should be via ProxyCommand |
| 06:32.14 | dominick | yuri_sevatz, i think debian will change the name when moving to unstable or testing packages, but i'm not sure! |
| 06:32.28 | ondrejk | yuri_sevatz: but i dont know how to do that |
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| 06:32.35 | yuri_sevatz | dominick: they actually did :( |
| 06:32.42 | tbsaunde | ondrejk: .config/ssh you mean .ssh/config I assume? |
| 06:33.18 | tbsaunde | a4 |
| 06:33.24 | ondrejk | tbsaunde: yes, my mistake |
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| 06:34.12 | tbsaunde | ondrejk: iirc commands go in .ssh/rc |
| 06:34.15 | jmarsden | ondrejk: alias ssh='luit -encoding iso8859-2 ssh ' # could do what you need, in a bash shell :) |
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| 06:34.49 | ondrejk | jmarsden: no, i need to use luit just for few machines |
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| 06:35.12 | jmarsden | That wasn't part of your original spec, but OK... |
| 06:35.27 | ondrejk | luit -encoding iso8859-2 ssh machine works, but ssh -o 'ProxyCommand luit -encoding iso8859-2 ssh machine' works not ... |
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| 06:35.49 | ToXBoT | Any way to check which process is eating up most of my RAM on a Debian Server? |
| 06:35.55 | ondrejk | jmarsden: y, but thanks anyway ;) |
| 06:36.22 | ondrejk | jmarsden: i can do it via alias but that's not clear solution |
| 06:36.39 | KnightStalker | ToXBoT,use top or htop |
| 06:36.49 | KnightStalker | (commands) |
| 06:37.26 | ToXBoT | KnightStalker: thanks! |
| 06:37.37 | KnightStalker | welcome -.- |
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| 06:45.09 | tbsaunde | ondrejk: why not just put it in .bash_profile or something on the machine you ssh to? |
| 06:45.56 | ondrejk | tbsaunde: what should i put there? |
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| 06:47.04 | tbsaunde | ondrejk: the command luit blah may something like if [ $SSH_HOST ]; then luit blah; fi if you only want it when sshing |
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| 06:47.35 | ondrejk | tbsaunde: that can work, thank you :) |
| 06:48.08 | tbsaunde | ondrejk: np |
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| 06:52.22 | Knight|ANGRY | !prism54 |
| 06:52.22 | dpkg | The p54 drivers provide support for several Intersil ISL38xx wireless LAN chipsets (PCI and USB), included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.24. Firmware is required (not packaged for Debian, BTS #481234), see http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 for installation instructions. The deprecated prism54 driver is disabled in Debian kernel images since 2.6.24. #prism54 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 06:59.08 | rical | How do I check if the default (standard) eth driver is loaded? (lsmod | grep ...) ? |
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| 07:01.24 | ronr | hi, I'm trying to build a 32 bit vserver on my 64 bit debian machine using vserver <server> build ..... -- -arch i386 (as described in the docs), but it immediately dies claiming it can't open /etc/apt/sources.list (when building a 64 vserver, everything works as expected), what am I missing here? |
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| 07:04.28 | tbsaunde | rical: that's the easiest I know of, lspci -k will help too |
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| 07:13.17 | fireba11 | ronr: out of curiosity: why you want a 32-bit vserver at all? |
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| 07:14.06 | ronr | fireba11: I need to try out some third party software and they only have a 32 bit version available for evaluation purposes |
| 07:14.37 | ronr | fireba11: I found the problem though... I missed one - |
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| 07:20.09 | ondrejk | hello, when i plug headphones into my dell vostro 1015 machine, speakers dont go mute, here's alsa-info ouput - http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=242af6a7fa88ff6e3c5319aa3e175e12caab9cb7 |
| 07:20.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey whats a gooes terminal that duplicates across several ssh connections? |
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| 07:21.00 | ondrejk | Eryn_1983_FL: i dont know what do you mean, but you can try out tmux or cssh |
| 07:21.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 07:22.34 | White_R | hi! is there an easy way (apt-get instal whatsoever) to get an almost full chacacter map? ( Gucharmap ) |
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| 07:31.18 | sylar | ? |
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| 07:32.24 | North_Italian69 | the /boot partition has to be primary? |
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| 07:48.18 | marlun | How can I see emails that has been sent from my server? |
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| 07:52.10 | niklaswe | marlun: check your mail.log |
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| 07:59.42 | North_Italian69 | is away: Gone away for now |
| 07:59.56 | KB1JWQ | North_Italian69: Don't do that. |
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| 08:07.30 | marlun | niklaswe: Looked in there before but didn't see it, saw it now, thanks! |
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| 08:09.06 | niklaswe | marlun: =) |
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| 08:10.48 | {g} | Oh holy debian crowd! Is there a way to delete all lines from history that match a certain regex? |
| 08:12.02 | Bushmills | {g}: yes, there is |
| 08:12.24 | macrobat | {g}: sed or awk your history file or open it in an editor |
| 08:12.51 | {g} | macrobat: wow, i didnt think of editing the history file! great! |
| 08:13.32 | macrobat | it's so easy and rewarding to chat here :) |
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| 08:14.33 | {g} | yepp :) |
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| 08:15.41 | {g} | its probably also useful to run uniq on that file. im always annoyed by al the duplicates when going through the history. |
| 08:16.07 | {g} | however, uniq would require sorting it alphabetically. hmm... |
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| 08:17.09 | Bushmills | there's a sort command, no need to do that yourself |
| 08:17.12 | macrobat | iirc there are options to ignore dups in bash history |
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| 08:18.23 | macrobat | HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth |
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| 08:20.21 | {g} | ok, thanks! |
| 08:20.23 | macrobat | there is HISTIGNORE=colon:separated:list:of:cmds:to:ignore |
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| 08:32.37 | qwd | What's the difference between encrypting a drive during installation and with Gnomes Disk Utility? When doing it during installation it takes a long time but with disk utility it was fast. |
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| 08:37.51 | angel | hi |
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| 08:42.37 | WaterRatj | How do I change the name of my box? |
| 08:44.05 | themill | !hostname |
| 08:44.05 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 08:44.10 | Bushmills | hostname foo; hostname > /etc/hostname |
| 08:44.26 | themill | + "rgrep hostname /etc" to see where else it might be found |
| 08:46.15 | smv | qwd, perhaps depends on what cipher you used? also it might depend on the fact that at installation you chosed to wipe the existing data and with the gnome disk utility you didn't? (am asking as am not sure what you've actually done) |
| 08:46.19 | Bushmills | though that belongs to next question "how can i make my system/services run again after i've changed hostname" |
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| 08:47.59 | themill | Bushmills: :) |
| 08:48.20 | qwd | smv: ah wipe might be the answer, makes sense. you don't get to choose a cipher in disk utility though. I'm wondering if I should encrypt the hard drive during installation or keep what I have. Do you know if there will be any difference at all? Like during mounting or whatever. |
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| 08:50.27 | smv | qwd, depends on what exactly you want to do. full disk encryption or only some partitions? but there shouldn't be any differences in mount options/procedures i think, perhaps only if different ciphers are used |
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| 08:51.36 | smv | WaterRatj, also check settings of exim4 if is installed/used, as it might not listen anymore on the right host. perhaps other things should be also checked, as they might break at some point... |
| 08:52.02 | WaterRatj | k |
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| 08:58.17 | qwd | smv: I want full disk encryption |
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| 09:00.06 | smv | qwd, if you care enough and if we're not talking about a server,and also if you don't mind reinstalling, i'd recommend to use full disk encryption using aes-xts. not sure what's the support status of that cipher in squeeze, but less than 6 months ago was quite easy to setup/use, using debootstrap for installation. the entire procedure i used at that time, is described at http://wiki.debian.org/AesXtsEncryptedLvm altough now it seems to be kinda overcomplicated |
| 09:01.18 | smv | i should rewrite that page but didn't had time/patience yet |
| 09:01.26 | Dewi | is there any way to take a disk image while my system is running, in an LVM-less environment like my VPS? |
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| 09:02.03 | qwd | smv: thanks! |
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| 09:06.23 | smv | Dewi, you could use dd, i think, but might not work in some cases. i'm not sure if that will be as good as a lvm snapshot |
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| 09:06.45 | Dewi | smv: nah, that'll be completely inconsistent |
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| 09:11.06 | White_R | is there a packet with font for canadian aboriginal syllabic with codes between u+15b0 and u+166d ? |
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| 09:14.03 | szonek | how can i just list packages which can be updated in console? i need it for script |
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| 09:18.11 | White_R | szonek: maybe something like "apt-get dist-upgrade | grep something" |
| 09:18.29 | jatt | can you recommend a scanner that would work with debian out-of-the-box |
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| 09:24.49 | themill | szonek: "aptitude search ~U". You can customise the output if you want too. /msg dpkg aptitude search. What are you going to use this output for, btw? |
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| 09:35.12 | iceroot | sylar: dpkg -L clamav-testfiles |
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| 09:58.12 | kryptoz | hi, is it possible to remove passwords that are in the apache logs in the query part |
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| 10:00.09 | wrksx | do I need anything else than read permission on a dir to be able to read a file in it ? |
| 10:00.17 | SauLus | hi, I use nfs to mount my shares. The problem is that they only are mounted ro, although mount says that it is rw. Any ideas? |
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| 10:00.34 | SauLus | wrksx: you need execution bit to change into that dir |
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| 10:01.14 | wrksx | SauLus, ok but reading is fine as still as I dont cd ? |
| 10:01.38 | SauLus | wrksx: to read the content of a dir you need +x |
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| 10:01.55 | SauLus | wrksx: just build your testcase. It is easy to verif< |
| 10:01.56 | SauLus | y |
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| 10:04.58 | wrksx | SauLus, I did try, worked, many thx |
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| 10:06.08 | bzzzzip2 | is squeeze still testing? |
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| 10:15.53 | jtheuer | Hi, I love the ssh-add feature in my x session. What is a good place to have this feature on a server, too? (in my screen session is sufficient). I use fish in case it matters... |
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| 10:21.32 | obiwahn | what is the ssh-add feature? |
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| 10:22.58 | obiwahn | i know ssh-add to add identities |
| 10:24.11 | niklaswe | obiwahn: you add your ssh-key to it so you dont need to type the password |
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| 10:26.44 | obiwahn | sure - but how is that related to X - except for ssh -X |
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| 10:27.30 | obiwahn | and a good alce would be ~/.ssh ?! |
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| 10:33.33 | nsadmin | obiwahn: the x server in debian, the debian guy decided to wrap it in a ssh-agent |
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| 10:36.04 | nsadmin | so as long as you have xbase-clients installed on both sides and allow x forwarding on the sshd, then sshing in without -X will work on debian and I guess unubtu |
| 10:36.40 | nsadmin | basically any dist that did the same thing with the x server and ssh-agent |
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| 10:41.27 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 10:42.01 | ShapeShifter499 | I've just moved from ubuntu to debian :D |
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| 10:42.33 | DotHack | ShapeShifter499: good boy! |
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| 10:43.06 | ShapeShifter499 | I used the net install iso to install my system and it didn't install gnome as default, is this normal? (hasn't used debian in a while) |
| 10:43.24 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 10:43.25 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
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| 10:43.49 | adac | On my debian server I would need to get iceweasel running. I tried to install iceweasel and I thought that the xserer would be installed aswell, due to dependencies. but that didn't happen. What do i have to install to get iceweasel running? the whole gnome-desktop? |
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| 10:44.21 | ShapeShifter499 | I ended up installing that anyways through "su" then "apt-get install gnome" |
| 10:44.22 | dominick | adac, install any window manager like twm |
| 10:44.31 | dominick | and x-window-system |
| 10:44.44 | dominick | then startx |
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| 10:46.39 | adac | dominick, yes the most minimal one (window manager) would suffice |
| 10:46.58 | ShapeShifter499 | so I've gotten really used to ubuntu, is the following safe to assume? "because ubuntu was built off debian, most things that did work in ubuntu therefor can be installed/compiled in debian in the same way as I did in ubuntu" |
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| 10:47.41 | dominick | adac, try twm or tinywm |
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| 10:49.25 | adac | dominick, ok I see. Arrg now I get: http://pastie.org/1085776 |
| 10:49.32 | tbsaunde | x/win 11 |
| 10:49.41 | adac | sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:49.55 | adac | that would solve it...but which locales to choose there? |
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| 10:50.23 | dominick | adac, choose your language! |
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| 10:53.49 | vdelau | Hi all, how can I see which modules are compiled into a running kernel? The kernel is a Xen domU kernel, so I don't have access to the kernel file. |
| 10:54.14 | dominick | vdelau, lsmod |
| 10:54.15 | vdelau | Or isn't that possible at all? |
| 10:55.12 | rudi_s | ShapeShifter499: Yes. But Debian doesn't provide many non-free stuff that Ubuntu does (like drivers, firmware, etc.). |
| 10:55.13 | vdelau | dominick: that returns an empty list, I need to know the compiled in modules (there are no modules installed for the kernel) |
| 10:55.41 | rudi_s | (Well it does, but in the non-free repositories.) |
| 10:56.05 | vdelau | I'm setting up a iptables script and would like to know which modules are available |
| 10:57.17 | petemc | modprobe -l |
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| 10:57.23 | petemc | grep for netfilter |
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| 10:58.29 | vdelau | I don't have modules for that kernel installed... |
| 10:58.53 | vdelau | I would like to know what is compiled into the running kernel |
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| 10:59.29 | petemc | vdelau: normal debian installs have the kernel config in /boot/ |
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| 11:00.12 | vdelau | petemc: I is a Xen domU, the kernel, modules and configuration are not on my filesystem |
| 11:00.40 | ShapeShifter499 | ok |
| 11:00.53 | vdelau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:01.41 | ShapeShifter499 | well how do I install the latest ati radeon drivers for my system, the ones from ATI website worked for me on ubuntu, how do I install these for debian? |
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| 11:03.06 | minh | I need help on mounting a USB-stick manually... |
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| 11:03.52 | minh | as soon as I start nautilus, the usb-drive is being mounted automatically to /media/FLASHDRIVE - but how can I do that manually (i.e. without using nautilus) |
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| 11:04.21 | abrotman | create a mount point, use /etc/fstab, man mount |
| 11:04.36 | visof | mkinitrd command not found |
| 11:04.48 | visof | is there a specific packages should i install ? |
| 11:04.51 | Dewi | Does anyone have a recommendation for how I could get notified if a user sends more than N messages per time T ? |
| 11:05.00 | Dewi | I mean email messages |
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| 11:05.25 | abrotman | visof: mkinitramfs you mean ? |
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| 11:05.34 | petemc | Dewi: exim does rate limiting |
| 11:05.34 | Dewi | I'm open to MTAs I guess, but mostly I'm used to postfix and exim |
| 11:05.39 | visof | # cd /boot |
| 11:05.39 | visof | # mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.25 2.6.25 |
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| 11:06.10 | abrotman | there is no 2.6.25 kernel in debian |
| 11:06.13 | nsadmin | maybe it's mkinitramfs now |
| 11:06.33 | Dewi | petemc: I guess some rate-limiting is good too, but it's not the occasional mailing list I'm worried about; it's if somebody hacks something and I become a spam source |
| 11:06.58 | Dewi | petemc: so it'd be cool if I got 1 email for every hundred users send, or somthing :P |
| 11:07.09 | SlayerXP | any of you lot attending the Debian BBQ (UK) at the end of the month? |
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| 11:07.25 | nsadmin | Dewi, anyone besides you use the machine or the mta? |
| 11:07.48 | abrotman | SlayerXP: there's usually a wiki page, and there's a #debian-uk (social channel) on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:07.49 | minh | abrotman: thank you...I'll read about that |
| 11:07.49 | Dewi | nsadmin: PHP server |
| 11:07.52 | nsadmin | and you're right, whatever you can do to avoid being an open relay you should do |
| 11:08.12 | nsadmin | so a php server can send emails |
| 11:08.41 | Dewi | nsadmin: yes, most PHP apps need email to some extent |
| 11:08.56 | SlayerXP | abrotman: there is a wiki page, I was wondering who else here, if anyone, was going. |
| 11:09.06 | Dewi | nsadmin: and even if I blocked sendmail, they can always open a socket to an SMTP |
| 11:09.07 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I'm buying most of the food |
| 11:09.08 | abrotman | SlayerXP: URL? |
| 11:09.09 | nsadmin | I take it you'd rather not let php do any emails? |
| 11:09.15 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you're not feeding me?! |
| 11:09.31 | Dewi | nsadmin: no, PHP apps need email to send people their passwords etc |
| 11:09.32 | SlayerXP | abrotman: http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty2010 |
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| 11:10.02 | nsadmin | and you're running these apps? |
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| 11:10.30 | abrotman | SlayerXP: looking quickly, there is one person in this channel (that i know of by name) that is going. |
| 11:10.31 | SVD | guys |
| 11:10.34 | SVD | got a quick question |
| 11:10.45 | SVD | what is the difference between the "APT-GET" and "APPTITUDE" command? |
| 11:10.51 | SVD | what is teh purpose of the apptitude command?? |
| 11:10.53 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 11:10.53 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 11:11.09 | Dewi | nsadmin: hosting them, yeah |
| 11:11.23 | DerJens | hey everybody. I think I have broken my apt-get. I used testing/stable in sources.list but have commented it out now. after doing clean/autoclean/-f etc I still get the "broken package" error indicating that there are unmet dependencies. does someone know how to get back on track? |
| 11:11.44 | nsadmin | testing and stable? |
| 11:11.53 | themill | dpkg: tell DerJens about bat |
| 11:12.05 | themill | DerJens: you need to provide us with *lots* more information |
| 11:12.21 | SVD | abrotman thank you |
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| 11:12.31 | Dewi | themill: are you sure you want to hear it? ;) |
| 11:12.35 | nsadmin | stable and stable backports would be better, but not enough info yet for specific solutions |
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| 11:13.00 | Dewi | DerJens: so you started with, and want to get back to, stable? |
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| 11:13.27 | Dewi | (notwithstanding a few foreign packages you alreadhy installed) |
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| 11:16.45 | DerJens | http://paste.debian.net/82805/ |
| 11:16.49 | DerJens | Dewi: yes |
| 11:17.05 | DerJens | And sorry that the messages are all in german :x |
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| 11:17.56 | themill | DerJens: /msg dpkg localised errors; Please also pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy", your sources.list and try that installation again with aptitude not apt-get. |
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| 11:19.56 | ese_ | I have a working Linux samba share, what the problem is that i browse pictures from the linux server for preview, during this time it gets much time to load. |
| 11:20.17 | sonicx | anybody knows if i can build a softraid based on multiple isos (or other filebased-fs)? |
| 11:20.44 | Pinchiukas | Which php.ini is used in Debian? :) Which one should I modify? |
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| 11:21.32 | DerJens | so now in english and with sources.list |
| 11:21.34 | DerJens | http://paste.debian.net/82807/ |
| 11:21.44 | DerJens | now I am trying aptitude |
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| 11:22.22 | themill | Pinchiukas: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, but your life will be easier if you add files to /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d instead |
| 11:23.17 | SVD | guys |
| 11:23.27 | SVD | if i want to do a remote access to my linux server |
| 11:23.30 | DerJens | themill: thank you very much. using aptitude install apache2 worked! |
| 11:23.31 | SVD | how would i go about doing this? |
| 11:24.09 | Pinchiukas | themill: files? |
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| 11:24.14 | joltcan | SVD: Well, if you mean logging in to the server in console, then install ssh server |
| 11:24.24 | themill | DerJens: excellent. You might like to "/msg dpkg not available" and check what packages you have installed that aren't available from any repo. In future, don't mix stable and testing. |
| 11:25.07 | themill | DerJens: You also shouldn't use ftp.debian.org -- use a closer mirror instead (/msg dpkg ftp.debian.org) and don't use stable in your sources.list but "lenny" (/msg dpkg stable sources.list) |
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| 11:25.44 | DerJens | themill: thank you for all your advice! |
| 11:25.55 | themill | no worries. happy hunting |
| 11:26.36 | Dewi | sonicx: iso is a read-only fs... |
| 11:27.09 | Pinchiukas | themill: what do you mean "add files"? Set the options I want in an empty file in that dir? |
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| 11:27.41 | Dewi | sonicx: linux can deal with most any FS within a file, but I don't know how you'd get softraid to work on that level |
| 11:27.45 | SlayerXP | SVD: they will both give you slightly different "Command not found" errors. |
| 11:28.03 | Dewi | sonicx: I assume your disk images are on different physical disks? |
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| 11:36.12 | dominick | My grub does not show the option to boot windows. How can I manually ask grub to look for it in a partition? |
| 11:37.08 | jtheuer_ | at boot time? |
| 11:37.17 | sonicx | iso isnt read-only |
| 11:37.25 | sonicx | only if set to read-only |
| 11:37.32 | sonicx | but i already found out how |
| 11:37.48 | sonicx | like here : http://mmassonnet.blogspot.com/2009/05/making-use-of-loop-devices-on-linux.html |
| 11:37.55 | sonicx | but with mkisofs |
| 11:38.02 | nachoL | dominick: what version of grub? |
| 11:38.14 | dominick | nachoL grub 1.97, beta |
| 11:38.16 | adac | dominick, another question regarding xserver. How do I check if an xserver is running on remote server? |
| 11:38.52 | dominick | adac, connect and sudo!! |
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| 11:41.18 | iceroot | adac: ps aux |
| 11:41.30 | iceroot | adac: of course no need for sudo |
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| 11:42.54 | nachoL | dominick: I think you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:43.16 | adac | kk thx |
| 11:43.56 | abrotman | dominick: install os-prober then run update-grub |
| 11:44.04 | abrotman | nachoL: totally wrong |
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| 11:45.23 | nachoL | abrotman: why wrong? |
| 11:45.35 | abrotman | he's using grub2, doesn't use the menu.lst anymore |
| 11:46.22 | nachoL | abrotman: version 1.97 is grub2? then you're of course write |
| 11:46.36 | nachoL | abrotman: right, I meant |
| 11:46.37 | dominick | yea, I wasn't able to find it! |
| 11:46.50 | abrotman | dominick: install os-prober then run update-grub |
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| 11:47.06 | dominick | abrotman, thanks, it worked! |
| 11:47.32 | dominick | If I wish to hide the link to windows, how do I do it without the /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
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| 11:47.51 | abrotman | you just asked how to add it |
| 11:47.56 | nachoL | abrotman: thanks from me too! |
| 11:48.11 | dominick | yes, because it didn't detect it. Now I want to hide it! |
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| 11:49.54 | dominick | abrotman, just like commenting out the windows section in the /boot/grub/menu.lst and adding another line of text asking to contact the admin to boot into windows! |
| 11:50.24 | abrotman | there are a pile of files in /etc/grub.d/ or something ilke that .. poke around a little |
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| 11:53.40 | test | Hi |
| 11:54.12 | test | I've got a problem on debian lenny + ltsp + pulseaudio. When I install kmix, I have no sound anymore even if I remove kmix |
| 11:54.16 | test | Any idea ? |
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| 11:58.00 | dominick | Okay, I got the message displayed by editing /etc/grub.d/40_custom I still don't know how to hide Windows, (or remove it so that I can later add it using update-grub) |
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| 12:00.21 | dominick | I got it, it's the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file! thanks abrotman! |
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| 12:02.03 | abrotman | dominick: that won't be persistent .. don't use that |
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| 12:03.40 | ApEtc | ping |
| 12:03.43 | ApEtc | whoops |
| 12:04.11 | dominick | abrotman, is there a neat way to remove the entry then? |
| 12:04.18 | abrotman | i told oyu where to look |
| 12:04.31 | dominick | k. i'll give it another shot!! |
| 12:06.27 | vdelau | found a solution for getting the config from a running kernel: zcat /proc/config.gz |
| 12:06.52 | abrotman | vdelau: if it's a debian kernel, it's already in /boot/ |
| 12:07.32 | vdelau | abrotman: It is a Debian Xen domU, but the kernel is comming from dom0. |
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| 12:11.22 | dominick | abrotman, let's c what I know. The entry into /boot/grub/grub.cfg for Windows is made by the os-prober. Does that mean I have to ask os-prober to ignore Windows and regenerate grub.cfg? |
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| 12:13.27 | dominick | the os-prober script is found in /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober . Should I do something there? |
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| 12:20.28 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 12:21.12 | ShapeShifter499 | can someone help me set up ATI drivers? I've tried http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary but I can't seem to get it working |
| 12:21.41 | abrotman | what doesn't work ? |
| 12:22.24 | ShapeShifter499 | well it kept erroring out and I couldn't get any display working at boot |
| 12:22.35 | ShapeShifter499 | so I did "Xorg -configure" |
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| 12:23.22 | ShapeShifter499 | now I'm back to a graphical interface but I cannot set my screen resolution so I figure the drivers aren't working |
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| 12:24.25 | ShapeShifter499 | in the tutorial #4 doesn't work and #5 after an reboot makes Xorg freak out |
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| 12:26.23 | linduxed | i'm trying do do the following command "find production/ -type d | xargs setfacl -m g:somegroup:rwx,d:g:somegroup:rwx" but some apparently some users have directories that look like this "-=FOOBAR=-" which messes up either xargs or setfacl badly |
| 12:26.23 | abrotman | you didn't tell us which version of linux or which card |
| 12:26.29 | linduxed | any way around this? |
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| 12:26.49 | abrotman | try using -exec for find instead of xargs ? |
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| 12:27.39 | papabaer | hello, sometimes my system keeps restarting instead powering the system off. This mostly happens on hibernate to disk. Kernel version is 2.6.34-1-686. How can I fix this behaviour? |
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| 12:28.06 | linduxed | abrotman: will try |
| 12:28.08 | abrotman | there isn't a .34 in debian |
| 12:28.21 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 12:28.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 12:29.26 | abrotman | linduxed: alternately, ask #bash |
| 12:29.40 | linduxed | abrotman: i did "find production/ -type d -exec setfacl -m g:somegroup:rwx,d:g:somegroup:rwx {}\;" but i got argument missing |
| 12:29.41 | abrotman | papabaer: there is no .34 in debian anymore .. there's a .35 or a .32 |
| 12:29.50 | abrotman | its {} \; |
| 12:29.59 | abrotman | pretty sure that space is important |
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| 12:30.16 | linduxed | abrotman: looks like it wars |
| 12:30.17 | linduxed | was |
| 12:30.30 | linduxed | seemed to finish without an error code... |
| 12:30.42 | themill | linduxed: you like like to use + instead of \; too. |
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| 12:30.52 | abrotman | like like ? |
| 12:30.56 | abrotman | might like ? |
| 12:31.01 | themill | !spank abrotman |
| 12:31.01 | dpkg | bends abrotman over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 12:31.08 | abrotman | likey-likes themill |
| 12:31.18 | papabaer | abrotman: ok. maybe this is the point :) Thanks for that information. Is there a way to automatically get informations if kernel or normal packages disapear? |
| 12:31.42 | abrotman | papabaer: not if you're pulling from experimental .. you're supposed to know |
| 12:31.46 | jelly | !not available |
| 12:31.47 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 12:32.02 | abrotman | papabaer: but normally there is a metapackage to update your kernel to the newest one |
| 12:32.11 | jelly | yeah, that command is VERY SIMPLE to konw |
| 12:32.20 | papabaer | abrotman: thx |
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| 12:32.50 | themill | jelly: obsolete is usually sufficient unless someone has been downgrading repositories |
| 12:32.57 | themill | !obsolete |
| 12:32.57 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
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| 12:34.28 | ZNC-Titan | Hello |
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| 12:35.28 | ZNC-Titan | Where can i get drivers for either a AD1881 or AD1885? |
| 12:36.15 | abrotman | the sound cards? |
| 12:36.21 | ZNC-Titan | Yeah |
| 12:36.34 | abrotman | They're pretty old, probably already in the kernel |
| 12:36.41 | dominick | try alsa |
| 12:36.42 | abrotman | do you have a PCIID? |
| 12:37.00 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: lspci -nn .. what is the PCI ID at the end of the line? |
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| 12:37.09 | Trashi | I start my pure-ftpd via/usr/local/sbin/pure-ftpd -U 577:777 -4 -Y 1 -Z -j -A -E -b -C 1 -E -f ftp -G -k 80 -K -p 30100:30200 -R -s -l mysql:/etc/pure-ftpd-mysql.conf &I think thats the same way, which is recommend in pure documentation.In last weeks I got tons of failed logins, so I did install fail2ban. It works really fine and fail2ban writes all bad IPs into hosts.deny. (my server dont support iptables)Unfortunately my pure-ftpd ignores |
| 12:37.16 | abrotman | oh jeez .. not again |
| 12:37.42 | papabaer | themill: thanks for the hint with obsolete. also thanks to jelly |
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| 12:38.25 | ZNC-Titan | I dont seem to see my soundcard. It is iintegrated. |
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| 12:39.03 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: paste the full output of 'lspci -nn' in apastebin |
| 12:39.05 | abrotman | a pastebin |
| 12:39.11 | DogWater | Does anyone know if Debian 6 finally has support for broadcomm nics? |
| 12:39.16 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 12:39.23 | ZNC-Titan | Hangon |
| 12:39.24 | jelly | Trashi: a) you got cut off at "Unfortunately my pure-ftpd ignore" b) why are you not using packaged pure-ftpd |
| 12:39.36 | abrotman | DogWater: lenny did for some of them |
| 12:39.56 | DogWater | abrotman: not any that come with Dell servers |
| 12:39.59 | jelly | DogWater: broadcomm nics in HP Proliant servers DL series G3-G6 work just fine with Debian 5 |
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| 12:40.08 | abrotman | well, that's dell's fault for using crappy hardware :) |
| 12:40.13 | abrotman | DogWater: you mean the 57xx series? |
| 12:40.41 | DogWater | Well they work fine in Centos, redhat, freebsd, ubuntu, windows, xenserver, vmware esxi and opensolaris.. so I guess..... 'crappy hardware' |
| 12:40.55 | Pinchiukas | themill: why do you suggest I don't put the settings in that php.ini file? |
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| 12:40.59 | Pinchiukas | It may get overwritten? |
| 12:41.06 | Trashi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.08 | DogWater | anyway will the BCM57xx cards work in Debian 6? we're just trying to plan. |
| 12:41.09 | jelly | DogWater: yes. Or you might have forgotten to install relevant firmware packages. |
| 12:41.12 | solars | quick question: if I install postgresql, whats the password for it? |
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| 12:41.25 | ZNC-Titan | http://pastebin.com/srq3u35a |
| 12:41.30 | ZNC-Titan | There^ |
| 12:41.44 | themill | Pinchiukas: it won't get overwritten, but if you change the file, you won't benefit from changes that the maintainer may make on subsequent revisions to the package |
| 12:41.45 | DogWater | jelly: usually if the firmware is missing it will come up and say you need bnx2-fw or something in the installer, it doesn't it comes up and asks me to select an ethernet card. |
| 12:41.57 | jelly | Trashi: ask the pure-ftpd people, how to build it with tcp-wrappers support or build from debian sources. This isn't really a debian issue. |
| 12:42.01 | solars | I mean, whats the default password for the postgres user? |
| 12:42.09 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: jebus .. how old is this machine? |
| 12:42.12 | jelly | DogWater: so install firmware-bnx2 package later. |
| 12:42.23 | Pinchiukas | themill: if a package if updated, it checks if the config file is the original one and if so, it overwrites it? |
| 12:42.27 | abrotman | solars: there isn't one .. you `su' to root, then `su - postgres` .. then use 'createuser' to create a user for the system |
| 12:42.35 | ZNC-Titan | It is a pentium 3. ;) |
| 12:42.36 | stew | solars: there isn't one. the postgres account would be setup with admin privileges and requiring no password |
| 12:42.39 | themill | Pinchiukas: more or less, yes |
| 12:42.48 | jelly | DogWater: alternatively try the customized installer from /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 12:43.03 | solars | abrotman, stew hm okay... does this user have shell access then? |
| 12:43.11 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: is that sound card an ISA thing? |
| 12:43.13 | solars | or how does this work with the password |
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| 12:43.29 | ZNC-Titan | It is integrated on board |
| 12:43.31 | abrotman | solars: that depends how you create the user .. you can have it be a system user, or just a DB user |
| 12:43.34 | Trashi | jelly: i know .. i wrote an email to the mailliste of pure but i never got an answer -.- |
| 12:43.36 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: it can still be ISA |
| 12:43.42 | stew | doubtful |
| 12:43.46 | abrotman | or disabled in the BIOS, or broken |
| 12:44.06 | ZNC-Titan | It worked on windows x:/ |
| 12:44.09 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: there is no PCI sound device showing on that system .. |
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| 12:44.22 | jelly | Trashi: find a consultant to help you then. I would if I had time, but I'm busy for the next month or two. |
| 12:44.26 | solars | abrotman, the reason I'm asking is: if you install postgres, then the user has no password thats right. if you then give it a password with passwd, it starts to have ssh access? |
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| 12:44.50 | abrotman | solars: the 'createuser' creates a DB user, you can have it mapped to a system user, or not .. read the postgresql docs |
| 12:44.59 | ZNC-Titan | OMG |
| 12:45.05 | ZNC-Titan | Your right |
| 12:45.15 | abrotman | right about what? |
| 12:45.30 | solars | abrotman, no, I mean on debian. if I install the postgresql database, it creates a user postgres. without password and shell access. if I now give this user a password, it has shell access, is that right? |
| 12:45.36 | ZNC-Titan | I never took the time to see if i even had the right motherboard. |
| 12:45.36 | jelly | Trashi: you could make it a debian issue if you used debian sources to build a customized package without the feature that makes problems |
| 12:45.42 | jelly | Trashi: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:45.45 | Pinchiukas | themill: so I just create a php.ini in /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d and put my changes there? |
| 12:45.51 | abrotman | solars: you're not giving that user a password |
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| 12:45.53 | Trashi | jelly: but i think pure is able to use tcpwrappers ... because if i start pure with xinetd it works really fine (inclusive hosts.deny) ... but i need to start pure as a stand alone server ... |
| 12:45.57 | stew | solars: it has shell access regardless of whether you set a password I suppose |
| 12:46.02 | ZNC-Titan | This one does not have a sound card. :| |
| 12:46.09 | jelly | Trashi: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 12:46.12 | ZNC-Titan | lol |
| 12:46.22 | stew | Trashi: that's because xinetd has tcpwrapper support, not because of pure-ftpd |
| 12:46.24 | ZNC-Titan | Sorry for the trouble |
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| 12:46.33 | jelly | Trashi: let me reiterate: I WON'T answer non-debian questions. |
| 12:46.37 | ZNC-Titan | Hope i gave you a laugh. ;) |
| 12:46.44 | themill | Pinchiukas: you'd be better off calling it something informative. See the other files in that dir already |
| 12:46.44 | Trashi | jelly: yes i know .. thats ok ;) |
| 12:46.52 | DogWater | jelly: can't do a network install without a NIC |
| 12:46.54 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: have a nice day! |
| 12:47.03 | ZNC-Titan | You too! |
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| 12:47.11 | jelly | DogWater: check kmuto out. |
| 12:47.25 | solars | abrotman, stew well, a friend of mine did this, he created a password for this user, and someone logged in via shell because he used a stupid password. he is asking me why this user has no shell access before giving it a password, and why it changes - or did it just have shell access and no one could login because there was no password |
| 12:47.25 | DogWater | kmuto has problems with updates/dependencies |
| 12:47.36 | abrotman | solars: well, that was a dumb idea .. |
| 12:47.38 | Trashi | stew: yes i know ... i did try also via tcpserver because with that a stand alone mode would be no problem ... but tcpserver ignores hosts.deny ... i dont know whether i forgot some options/parameter/settings :) |
| 12:47.45 | jelly | DogWater: or provide the installer with relevant firmware that you'l get from the package I mentioned. |
| 12:47.47 | solars | abrotman, yep, his server was banned :) |
| 12:47.54 | Pinchiukas | themill: ok, thanks a bunch! :) |
| 12:48.07 | DogWater | jelly: it isn't missing the firmware it doesn't identify the pciid of the card. |
| 12:48.43 | jelly | DogWater: oh, you'll want to report that as a bug for debian-installer, then |
| 12:48.50 | Pinchiukas | themill: php.ini would be pretty informative, looking at the other files in that dir. |
| 12:48.59 | jelly | DogWater: hardware support reports are supposed to be fixed. |
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| 12:50.05 | jelly | DogWater: if it were me, I'd use kmuto. Dependency issues can be solved. |
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| 12:50.55 | jelly | you can always use hw from a vendor that commits more to supporting debian. <g> |
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| 12:51.58 | abrotman | likes IBM hardware :) |
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| 12:52.10 | jelly | hates IBM tech support |
| 12:52.36 | jelly | and the hardware (X series at least) seems to have bits from the lowest bidder. |
| 12:53.02 | abrotman | eh? it's pretty good here, not sure what EU people get |
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| 12:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | the scraps... |
| 12:54.41 | jelly | like, plastic parts breaking. The part in question held the fan for mainboard chipset bits, and the server went dead. The server was a RSM module supposed to call IBM home every day with a heartbeat, and they didn't notice it was dead for three months. |
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| 12:55.14 | jelly | <insert angry face> |
| 12:56.16 | abrotman | eh .. nope, not had that issue, and we have a good number of them :) |
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| 12:56.51 | jelly | I won't mention machine models and serial numbers available ONLY from the chassis |
| 12:57.14 | WaterRatj | I'm trying to follow the setting to lock users in their own directory, they mention to add some match, do they mean i have to place that in the sshd_config? |
| 12:57.24 | abrotman | slides jelly to -ot |
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| 13:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | add some match... err...what? does it mention pouring gasoline over them first? |
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| 13:08.17 | ScottG | I can't get my volume buttons to work. They are bound correcting according to xev but they don't change the volume |
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| 13:12.28 | liable | ScottG: thinkpad by chance? |
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| 13:13.24 | ScottG | liable: No, Dell Studio 1535 |
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| 13:15.14 | jelly | ScottG: this will rely a bit on your desktop environment of choice |
| 13:15.30 | Cope | whatever happened to mwilson? |
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| 13:15.39 | jelly | permaban? |
| 13:15.53 | ScottG | jelly: That's a likely reason why they aren't working. I just start compiz an plasma-desktop |
| 13:16.03 | Cope | dpkg: mwilson |
| 13:16.03 | dpkg | Hah! |
| 13:16.06 | Cope | grins |
| 13:16.18 | jelly | ScottG: what's wrong with kde's own wobbly windows! |
| 13:16.40 | jelly | they wobble for me... |
| 13:16.53 | ScottG | jelly: lol, just been using compiz forever. It's very customized |
| 13:17.10 | Cope | ooh mwilson appears to be on #openbsd |
| 13:17.16 | jelly | ScottG: ah. well KDE4 cloned many of the effects and features |
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| 13:18.03 | jelly | ScottG: you might want to ask in a kde channel about integrating compiz with kde4 better |
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| 13:18.16 | fraff | hi all, I'd like to list recursively all dependencies of a package but apt-cache --recursive depends also shows dependencies of suggested packages, who to avoid that ? |
| 13:18.24 | jelly | !debian-kde |
| 13:18.25 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
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| 13:18.37 | EagleScreen | hello |
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| 13:19.21 | EagleScreen | i am right now in a non-Debian Linux system |
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| 13:19.56 | EagleScreen | I'd like to find and read the README.Debian file of some Debian package, can I do it? |
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| 13:20.20 | Cope | EagleScreen: sure... just get the package and extract it |
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| 13:20.50 | EagleScreen | how? here i think there isn't dget script |
| 13:21.15 | Cope | EagleScreen: packages.debian.orgg |
| 13:21.29 | Cope | EagleScreen: .debs are just ar archives so you can extract from any *nix system |
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| 13:22.45 | EagleScreen | with ark? |
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| 13:25.06 | EagleScreen | yes, I see |
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| 13:31.02 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 13:31.47 | AlexC_ | I'm trying to install Debian 5.0.5 on a Dell R210 server, when detecting hardware it stated it couldn't find the firmware 'bnx2-09-4.0.5.fw' and asked me to put it on a USB stick and continue. I've done this, however it says the external media can not be read or no firmware found |
| 13:32.12 | AlexC_ | to start with, my USB stick was FAT32 - so I formatted it as EXT2 to see if that made a difference, but nope |
| 13:32.31 | lblume | Hi all. I'm having some trouble configuring pam ldap. I followed the documentation on wiki.debian.org as closely as I could, getent passwd does show the accounts, but they don't authenticate. |
| 13:32.48 | Justin | AlexC_: you can just install firmware-bnx2 after the install is done |
| 13:32.58 | lblume | An ssh session is cut immediately, an su - <user> replies su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info |
| 13:33.04 | AlexC_ | Justin: so it's ok to continue with no net connection at this time? |
| 13:33.07 | lblume | AFAICT, nothing in the logs. |
| 13:33.14 | lblume | Any idea where to start looking? |
| 13:33.15 | Justin | AlexC_: yes |
| 13:33.19 | AlexC_ | Justin: ok cool, thanks |
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| 13:38.06 | ZNC-Titan | Hello again |
| 13:38.40 | ZNC-Titan | I added a sound blaster live. And it wont work. But i think i know what i need to do. |
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| 13:39.03 | ZNC-Titan | But when i run alsaconf i get errors |
| 13:39.15 | ZNC-Titan | I will pastebin. ;) |
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| 13:39.54 | moldovean | added a sound blaster card ? |
| 13:40.10 | ZNC-Titan | Yeah |
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| 13:40.27 | ZNC-Titan | Also when i try to modprobe i get errors |
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| 13:41.27 | ZNC-Titan | http://pastebin.com/skCNcc3j |
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| 13:42.41 | ZNC-Titan | So does anyone know what im missing or need? |
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| 13:42.50 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 alsa-utils libasound2 | tail -3 |
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| 13:43.36 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: also, ls -l `which alsamixer` /usr/lib*/libasound* |
| 13:43.59 | ZNC-Titan | Ok. One minute. |
| 13:44.18 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: also2, ldd `which alsamixer`. That ought to be all for now. |
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| 13:44.45 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 13:46.44 | FabParma | finally i have ext4 on Debian 64 bit |
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| 13:47.30 | dentifrice | hello - what's the current best filesystem to install on top of a CompactFlash drive in a fresh Debian Squeeze install? |
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| 13:48.13 | ZNC-Titan | jelly: http://pastebin.com/aL5FtYnN |
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| 13:48.36 | EagleScreen | dentifrice: ext2 or ext4 with noatime option |
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| 13:49.21 | dentifrice | EagleScreen: isn't there a fs that's specifically tailored for flash drives' needs ? |
| 13:49.29 | dsl683 | memory cards are slower than usbkeys and usbkeys are much slower than ssds |
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| 13:49.59 | dentifrice | I read somewhere that it was a good idea to change the I/O scheduler too |
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| 13:50.25 | dsl683 | and ssds are much slower than my big hdds + big ram |
| 13:50.25 | EagleScreen | dentifrice: dont know.. I only know that some distributions are installed in flash drives under FAT32 |
| 13:50.37 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: there are some typos there. Do "ldd $(which alsamixer)", "modinfo snd-emu10k1", and dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 13:50.37 | dentifrice | ok |
| 13:50.49 | dentifrice | http://www.tzlee.com/blog/?p=991 seems to hold a few answers |
| 13:50.56 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 13:51.15 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: it seems some of the files in your /lib/ have disappeared |
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| 13:53.34 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: I suggest reinstalling packages linux-image-$(uname -r) and libasound2 after you find out what deleted parts of them. Did the machine crash recently? Were there any hardware problems? Are you using an unusual filesystem type? |
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| 13:53.58 | ZNC-Titan | Power went out?? |
| 13:54.10 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: it's possible more stuff is broken/missing than just kernel and libasound2. |
| 13:54.15 | ZNC-Titan | Ah |
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| 13:54.30 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: yeah, that can make filesystems lose files, even if it shouldn't |
| 13:54.46 | ZNC-Titan | Ah |
| 13:55.02 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: if you have a backup I'd suggest restoring your system from backup. |
| 13:55.34 | ZNC-Titan | Well here is the pastebin. http://pastebin.com/SNkRQzXy |
| 13:55.41 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 13:56.01 | ZNC-Titan | I just installed yesterday so no big deal |
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| 13:58.00 | ZNC-Titan | Maybe was it because i only used 1CD? |
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| 14:00.48 | dmilith | hi. Anybody knows a software to limit disk operations of running process? F.e. I want to slow down operations of some running process writing a LOT of data to hdd |
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| 14:01.27 | ZNC-Titan | Jelly |
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| 14:01.56 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:01.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 14:02.28 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: yeah, go ahead and aptitude reinstall those two packages. |
| 14:02.47 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: see if the files reported missing in your first pastebin appear. |
| 14:03.02 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 14:03.20 | ZNC-Titan | What is aptitude? |
| 14:03.29 | joltcan | ZNC-Titan: apt++ |
| 14:03.42 | ZNC-Titan | Ah |
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| 14:04.41 | jelly | !tell ZNC-Titan about aptitude |
| 14:04.43 | jelly | !tell ZNC-Titan about why aptitude |
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| 14:05.29 | ZNC-Titan | Ah that is good. :) |
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| 14:05.41 | thrashold | Hello. I switched from Gentoo to Debian (sid). After the switch the Bluetooth on my laptop gets automatically enabled at some point during boot. It has something to do with the new rfkill thing the kernel has, but my Gentoo kernel had it enabled, too, and it didn't start. Can anyone tell me what is the thing that enables them, so I can disable it? |
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| 14:06.51 | xyan | thrashold: blacklist the bluetooth modules if you dont need them, or disable the init script guess /etc/init.d/bluez or something is related to bluetooth |
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| 14:07.19 | osfd | Hi there. How could I access the packages here : http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/arduino.html ? |
| 14:07.20 | osfd | please |
| 14:07.43 | jelly | thrashold: why sid? |
| 14:07.45 | dmilith | ZNC-Titan: Jelly? |
| 14:07.56 | jelly | dmilith: ? |
| 14:08.00 | thrashold | xyan: If I do this, the Bluetooth won't work. I don't want it to be enabled (i.e. have rfkill state 0) on start up, so I can enable it with the button for switching on the laptop. |
| 14:08.09 | xyan | osfd: they are not in lenny only in testing / sid |
| 14:08.14 | thrashold | jelly: I think I like sid :) |
| 14:08.23 | jelly | !tell thrashold about sid |
| 14:08.44 | dmilith | jelly: I thought that Jelly is my answer ;] sorry |
| 14:08.45 | osfd | xyan: no problem... |
| 14:08.48 | jelly | thrashold: note the bit about "sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems" |
| 14:08.54 | xyan | thrashold: hrm ok dont know about that maybe theres a loading parameter to have it disabled then. modinfo might be helpful |
| 14:08.55 | jelly | dmilith: I am NOT! |
| 14:08.56 | ZNC-Titan | xD |
| 14:08.59 | dmilith | ;D |
| 14:09.04 | osfd | xyan: so I just have to add testing repos |
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| 14:09.13 | thrashold | jelly: I have had this issue for an year already, the packages causing have surely been updated in squeeze, too :) |
| 14:09.15 | xyan | osfd: no dont mix stable with testing |
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| 14:09.22 | BW^- | is Etch so unsupported that apt-get updatei s supposed to fail? |
| 14:09.30 | xyan | osfd: see if theres a backport, or /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:09.35 | jelly | !tell BW^- about etch |
| 14:09.42 | jelly | !tell BW^- about etch sources.list |
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| 14:10.12 | gandhijee | hey, do i need all the DVD's to install debian? |
| 14:10.21 | ZNC-Titan | Well see you guys later. ;) |
| 14:10.30 | osfd | xyan: no backports... |
| 14:10.45 | xyan | !tell osfd -about ssb |
| 14:11.09 | BW^- | jelly: aht hx alot! |
| 14:11.21 | iceroot | gandhijee: you just need the first cd or use the net-install-image |
| 14:11.40 | gandhijee | iceroot: thanks |
| 14:11.48 | osfd | xyan: or I go for this http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Linux/Debian |
| 14:12.25 | xyan | thrashold: modinfo rfkill tells me "parm: default_state:Default initial state for all radio types, 0 = radio off" so add "rfkill default_state=0" to /etc/modules |
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| 14:14.39 | dmilith | any ideas? |
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| 14:15.06 | Chubbz | Question: what packages do I need to install to install X server? I've installed x11-common, xserver-xorg, and fluxbox but startx still doesn't work... |
| 14:15.27 | xyan | dmilith: ionice --help |
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| 14:15.47 | jwaters | hello all, need some help with pam & winbind. anyone have a working common-auth, account, session with pam_winbind and like to share? |
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| 14:16.03 | xyan | Chubbz: thers a meta package called xorg |
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| 14:16.22 | Chubbz | xyan: oh, thanks! |
| 14:16.24 | xyan | Chubbz: otherwise you forgot drivers for input/vga and whatnot |
| 14:16.31 | ScottG | I got my volume buttons working by installing kmix. What other kind of programs are there similar to kmix? |
| 14:16.48 | Chubbz | xyan: no, its not throwing errors, its just saying startx isnt a valid command |
| 14:17.00 | thrashold | xyan: So I put rfkill.default_state=0 on the kernel command line or I edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? Thanks :) |
| 14:17.05 | xyan | Chubbz: then install the xinit package ;-) |
| 14:17.18 | EagleScreen | Chubbz: also xserver-xorg-core |
| 14:17.26 | xyan | Chubbz: btw aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search foo |
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| 14:17.46 | abrotman | just install the 'xorg' package |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | which will pull in all the rest of that |
| 14:18.26 | Chubbz | yup, it works now. I just didnt know about the meta package, thanks guys! |
| 14:18.27 | xyan | thrashold: i told you to add it to /etc/modules that should be enough |
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| 14:18.57 | xyan | thrashold: man modules for reference |
| 14:19.26 | dmilith | xyan: thanks! |
| 14:19.31 | xyan | np |
| 14:19.42 | thrashold | xyan: thanks |
| 14:19.51 | xyan | np =] |
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| 14:20.26 | TZug | in times where the legacy ports are substituted, is there a way to get the boot console over another port (eth0 for example) ? |
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| 14:22.17 | xyan | TZug: dont know about ethernet, but theres a early firewire console.. dont ask me howto dig through the kernel documentation |
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| 14:23.49 | StucKman | hi all. I just want to create an image of a hard disk with a full debian installed on it, in a scriptable way. the first thing I can imagine is to run the debian installer cd under qemu, but it's not scriptable. then I thought of debootstrap, but it doesn't/can't install grub (or at least I couldn't figure out how). then live-helper, but is not exactly what I had in ming (basically it creates a vfat bootable system with syslinux and a squash/union fs). a |
| 14:24.18 | TZug | xyan: if you would have said USB, i would be much more happy! :-) |
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| 14:24.38 | jordanm | StucKman: the debootstrap section of the install guide covers installing a bootloader |
| 14:24.40 | bzrk | StucKman: image of a finished debian install? |
| 14:24.59 | EagleScreen | StucKman: I have made functional installations with debootstrap |
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| 14:25.35 | themill | StucKman: the installer is indeed scriptable, /msg dpkg preseed ; /msg dpkg fai. You can install grub inside a chroot, you just need to bind-mount /dev and /proc in; /msg dpkg fixgrub |
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| 14:26.49 | StucKman | themill: if I bind-mount /dev, it will be installed in the hard disk, not in the image... or my head is not getting around it :| |
| 14:26.59 | StucKman | jordanm: ack |
| 14:27.07 | xyan | TZug: there are usb->serial console dongles as well. you should have a read here http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO.html |
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| 14:27.16 | StucKman | bzrk: jsut like I installed debian in a machine, but in a disk image |
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| 14:27.48 | EagleScreen | StucKman: what kind of disk image? |
| 14:28.02 | StucKman | EagleScreen: something I can use with qemu or vbox |
| 14:28.20 | EagleScreen | StucKman: then run vbox and install Debian |
| 14:28.47 | o2T7 | Hi, I'm getting I/O errors on a hd drive. I will try to low-level format it before descarting it. Should I use its manufacturer's tool or can I do it with dd or anything else? |
| 14:28.48 | StucKman | EagleScreen: which leads me to preseed, and I think is a little bit overkill |
| 14:28.59 | bzrk | StucKman: dd? |
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| 14:29.04 | abrotman | o2T7: dban.sf.net |
| 14:29.37 | StucKman | bzrk: that assumes having a fresh debian instalation... and poor scriptability |
| 14:29.55 | bzrk | StucKman: it wasnt clear to me what you want to achieve |
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| 14:30.39 | bzrk | StucKman: if you want to automate installing debian there are more tools for that than you can shake a stick at |
| 14:30.58 | StucKman | bzrk: sorry, I wasn't sure how to express it myself. install debian in a disk image that will be completely bootable under qemu or vbox |
| 14:31.08 | StucKman | bzrk: like...? |
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| 14:31.36 | EagleScreen | StucKman: and where is the matter? |
| 14:32.07 | bzrk | debootstrap, fai, preseed, puppet, capistrano, chef, cfengine, openqrm..... |
| 14:32.08 | jordanm | StucKman: I believe that will be as easy as making a single debian install and copying the image |
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| 14:33.08 | StucKman | jordanm: ... except that I have to do it by hand each time I want to create a new one... or going preseed, as EagleScreen mentions. |
| 14:33.23 | o2T7 | abrotman, bzrk : should dd be enough? (I don't need to securely wipe the data, just deleting any confusing structure info that could lead to I/O errors) |
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| 14:33.40 | abrotman | o2T7: depends what was on the drive, dban is pretty thorough |
| 14:33.42 | jordanm | StucKman: well, what will be the difference between the new and old? different software? different configurations? |
| 14:33.44 | StucKman | bzrk: as I said, I got debootstrap, but got stuck in the 'install grub' patr |
| 14:33.49 | StucKman | part* |
| 14:34.01 | gnarface | o2T7: if you don't need to securely delete anything, just dropping the partitions should be sufficient |
| 14:34.11 | EagleScreen | StucKman: made a Debian installation on a vbox machine, make a copy (backup) of the disk image, and use that backup in the future when you want |
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| 14:34.15 | North_Italian69 | a question about RSYNC. all options have to be all together (rsync -acuzvv) or some has to be alone? i red the manual, i googled, but this thing it is not clear |
| 14:34.40 | o2T7 | gnarface: I/O errors persist when only overwriting the first 512 bytes of the disk |
| 14:34.47 | StucKman | North_Italian69: can be both, except for those accepting argumenta |
| 14:34.53 | StucKman | arguments* |
| 14:34.54 | o2T7 | perhaps it is a real hard problem |
| 14:35.10 | TZug | xyan: tx, on both PCs (Server n' Client) I miss the Serial Port. And if a USB -> Serial should work, why isn't there a way to plug in USB to USB over a special connector cable? or better eth as all PCs are in the same Network :-) |
| 14:35.14 | StucKman | o2T7: sounds kaput |
| 14:35.50 | o2T7 | I'll give dban a try. Let's hope it relives |
| 14:36.08 | o2T7 | I thought that it was an ext4 problem |
| 14:36.18 | gnarface | o2T7: the manufacturer's tool MAY (depending on the age of the drive) be able to map around the dead blocks. newer drives are *supposed* to do this automatically, till they run out of spare blocks |
| 14:37.03 | gnarface | o2T7: if it's a desperate situation you can always use 'badblocks' with ext3 but.... dead drives tend to continue to deteriorate at a rapid pace. if this is anything important it would be suicide not to get a new drive |
| 14:38.14 | o2T7 | mmm, it looks like I'll have to forget the idea of a software problem |
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| 14:38.37 | xyan | TZug: /me shrugs ;) |
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| 14:38.49 | gnarface | o2T7: if dban throws io errors too... you've got your diagnosis |
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| 14:39.15 | o2T7 | cool |
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| 14:41.07 | North_Italian69 | StucKman: like rsync --delete -options ? |
| 14:42.15 | StucKman | North_Italian69: if you use long opntions (--long) then they must be separated |
| 14:42.35 | StucKman | your example only had short, that's why I said taht |
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| 14:43.18 | North_Italian69 | StucKman: thanks a lot |
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| 14:43.29 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 14:43.38 | ScottG | I got my volume buttons working by installing kmix. What other kind of programs are there similar to kmix? |
| 14:43.41 | gypsymauro | where can I find a sarge's cd iso? |
| 14:44.17 | joltcan | gypsymauro: Probably no-where these days |
| 14:44.51 | Chubbz | ScottG: Using KDE, right? |
| 14:45.20 | joltcan | gypsymauro: or check your neighbor bittorrent network |
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| 14:45.36 | gypsymauro | http://cicak.vlsm.org/debian/sarge/ |
| 14:45.42 | gypsymauro | who knows if its good... |
| 14:46.21 | joltcan | Just like finding old packages, virtually impossible |
| 14:46.22 | ScottG | Chubbz: No, just anything. I use plasma-desktop and compiz. But I'd be open to any application |
| 14:47.01 | Chubbz | I always used amixer |
| 14:47.11 | gnarface | o2T7: if you want to be really thorough you can try a new drive cable too... I have seen old IDE cables cause IO errors after too much crimping |
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| 14:47.34 | ScottG | Chubbz: Yea, that doesn't give a visual display of the volume, though. |
| 14:47.43 | stew | gypsymauro: debian doesn't have the isos, the source to build them (but with no instructions afaik) is on archive.debian.org. it begs the question of why you might want sarge, knowing it is unsupported and known to be insecure |
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| 14:49.24 | ZNC-Titan | Ok my sound card works now! :) |
| 14:49.25 | StucKman | jordanm: the deboostrap section of the install guide assumes I'm installing on a hard disk partition. that's why it can install grub. it is not going to work on a disk image (it has no associated device)... ... ! |
| 14:49.29 | Chubbz | ScottG: Well, which desktop environment are you using? Their mixer applets are usually the best bet. |
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| 14:49.42 | fas3r | can i list available site on apache2 with a command ? |
| 14:49.42 | StucKman | can gurb be installed in something it is not a kernel device? |
| 14:49.45 | StucKman | hmm |
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| 14:50.08 | ZNC-Titan | Now how do i force a resolution. Because i only have 720x400. :( |
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| 14:50.31 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: use xorg. |
| 14:50.41 | Chubbz | fas3r: No, but you can just look at your httpd.conf and it should list all your virtaulhosts |
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| 14:51.16 | ScottG | Chubbz: I could use gnome or kde or something independent. Idc |
| 14:51.19 | stew | on debian the virtualhosts would typically be in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and httpd.conf would typically be empty |
| 14:51.38 | fas3r | stew, haa yes strue :) |
| 14:51.44 | fas3r | i forgot ^^ |
| 14:51.45 | Chubbz | stew: oh thanks for catching that... It's been a long time since I messed with a debian server |
| 14:51.46 | fas3r | thank :D |
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| 14:53.09 | imaginaryman | Hello every one |
| 14:53.16 | Chubbz | herro! |
| 14:53.22 | imaginaryman | edo |
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| 14:54.02 | imaginaryman | What hardware device do I grab audio out to |
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| 14:54.44 | imaginaryman | I know its a lame way of asking but the audio to my speakers |
| 14:55.42 | cahoot | imaginaryman: not easy to understand what you mean/want |
| 14:56.11 | imaginaryman | cahoot: I am trying to grab my audio out and pipe it to ffmpeg |
| 14:57.04 | gnarface | imaginaryman: if you are using alsa, you can use aplay with no file parameter - the default is standard out |
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| 14:57.30 | gnarface | imaginaryman: if you are using OSS (or have the alsa-oss package installed) you can also cat /dev/dsp |
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| 14:58.44 | gnarface | imaginaryman: if you have more than one audio device, there may be multiple /dev/dsp* nodes. alsa often has multiple (physical and virtual) devices representing even one soundcard, so in some cases you might need to specify one rather than use the default |
| 14:58.56 | stew | imaginaryman: you could redirect the output to a file using an .asoundrc and send the file to ffmpeg. I don't know if you can redirect to a pipe in asoundrc instead< google it |
| 14:59.11 | imaginaryman | Thanks guys |
| 14:59.22 | imaginaryman | that will keep me busy |
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| 15:00.26 | dmilith | is it a good idea to use ionice combined with nice ? |
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| 15:00.36 | stew | imaginaryman: actually, what you want is in the ffmpeg docs: http://www.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC21 |
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| 15:04.02 | SineDeviance | hi guys |
| 15:04.15 | SineDeviance | i want to get some advice |
| 15:04.25 | gnarface | hey SineDeviance, what's up? |
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| 15:04.36 | SineDeviance | i have an IBM thinkpad server w/ a 1.3ghz pentium 3 and 640mb of ram, and a 30gb hdd. |
| 15:05.00 | SineDeviance | i'm currently running crunchbang lite 9.04.1 with GDM and X disabled. it's a LAMP server. |
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| 15:05.17 | SineDeviance | it works well, but i think i could do better with debian |
| 15:05.26 | BrixSat | hello, how do i set up my network card eth2 as master mode |
| 15:05.35 | SineDeviance | i like to keep a window manager around just in case i want to NX or VNC in for something |
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| 15:05.59 | jordanm | SineDeviance: what is crunchbang? is that in debian? |
| 15:06.07 | jordanm | BrixSat: iwconfig eth2 mode master |
| 15:06.15 | themill | !crunchbang |
| 15:06.15 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution based on <Ubuntu>, now Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>. |
| 15:06.24 | SineDeviance | so... what i really want to know is, 1. would debian be a good replacement, 2. do i just do a server install then add the window manager of my choice? |
| 15:06.25 | gnarface | SineDeviance: for starters, ditch GDM. keeping X around doesn't have to mean leaving it on all the time, chewing up your memory |
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| 15:06.33 | BrixSat | Jordan where do i pu thtat? in /etc/networking/interfaces? |
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| 15:06.55 | karlpinc | Is there a tool that will tell me about IPs that have not been seen on the lan for a given period of time? I could wack something up with nmap and join but don't want to re-invent the wheel. |
| 15:06.56 | SineDeviance | gnarface: well GDM is disabled. X only runs when i NX or VNC in. |
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| 15:07.03 | jordanm | BrixSat: you type that at the command line, assuming eth2 is a wireless device (which I guess it would have to be given the question) |
| 15:07.16 | SineDeviance | basically though, i want a CLEANER install, something more organized and easier to manage |
| 15:07.18 | karlpinc | gnarface: That's what swap is for. |
| 15:07.18 | BrixSat | Jordan no wireless lan card |
| 15:07.19 | jordanm | SineDeviance: there is no "server" install but there are tasks such as webserver |
| 15:07.35 | jordanm | BrixSat: what? |
| 15:07.54 | karlpinc | gnarface: (Although I agree that if it's not used, then it should not be turned on.) |
| 15:07.55 | BrixSat | Jordan it is a cable network card not wifi card |
| 15:08.06 | SineDeviance | jordanm: what about that part of the installer where you can choose the platform you want? (server, desktop, etc.) |
| 15:08.20 | jordanm | BrixSat: what do you exepect "master" mode to do? |
| 15:08.22 | karlpinc | SineDeviance: That's tasksel |
| 15:08.46 | jordanm | SineDeviance: ^ but there is no generic "server" task like RHEL may have |
| 15:08.53 | BrixSat | Jordan they told me i needed tu make master mode and activate modprobe to be able to use coovachilli (hotspot controller) |
| 15:08.54 | SineDeviance | karlpinc: yes, but wont that install a LAMP setup? |
| 15:09.25 | themill | SineDeviance: you can install any package you want at any stage you want. You don't need to do it at the tasksel stage. |
| 15:09.30 | SineDeviance | jordanm: oh. okay, i think i understand now. so i'd still need to install and configure all the server packages. |
| 15:09.39 | jordanm | BrixSat: master mode basically puts your WLAN card in a mode where it can function as an AP. this does not apply to wired cards |
| 15:09.49 | gnarface | SineDeviance: you just want to install php5 and mysql-server, the rest will come automatically |
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| 15:09.58 | SineDeviance | themill: well yeah, but i have had problems installing lamp server packages separately before when i used ubuntu. i was kinda hoping it'd just be 'ready' |
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| 15:10.06 | SineDeviance | gnarface: apache? |
| 15:10.09 | themill | dpkg: tell SineDeviance about lamp |
| 15:10.09 | gnarface | yes |
| 15:10.15 | gnarface | php5 requires apache2 |
| 15:10.22 | gnarface | it will come in as a dependency |
| 15:10.23 | SineDeviance | gnarface: ah. so it'll come down. okay, thanks |
| 15:10.26 | jordanm | gnarface: uhh |
| 15:10.32 | gnarface | unless you install the php5-cli only |
| 15:10.52 | gnarface | jordanm: doesn't it? i swear it did on lenny.... |
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| 15:11.15 | themill | libapache2-mod-php5 is a safer choice, but php5 should work fine too as long as you don't have some other php5 package installed already |
| 15:11.25 | gnarface | jordanm: from my php5 package on lenny: Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9), php5-common (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9) |
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| 15:11.32 | SineDeviance | okeis ... now, should i use debian lenny, or do you think i should go for squeeze? |
| 15:11.34 | gnarface | php5 will grab the right apache on lenny |
| 15:11.36 | jordanm | gnarface: well, the php5 package does depend on the apache module, but the statement "php5 requrires apache2" just sounds a bit off |
| 15:11.46 | gnarface | jordanm: i'm sorry, i was simplifying for SineDeviance |
| 15:11.52 | jordanm | I understand |
| 15:12.06 | gnarface | jordanm: i'm fully aware you can use php5-cli without any webserver, and that you can use a number of webservers with php5-cgi |
| 15:12.11 | SineDeviance | oh, and is webmin in the debian repos? i use that as well |
| 15:12.19 | jordanm | !tell SineDeviance about webmin |
| 15:13.33 | gnarface | SineDeviance: i'd stick with lenny for basic security and stability, unless for some reason your'e doing something that needs php5>5.2.6 |
| 15:14.04 | karlpinc | SineDeviance: Unless there's something you just _have_ to have in squeeze then stick with lenny so your system will "just work". |
| 15:14.13 | gnarface | (they made some major changes to the DateTime object as well as removed the ability to name class constructors after the class itself in 5.3) |
| 15:14.24 | karlpinc | SineDeviance: See also: backports.org |
| 15:14.34 | SineDeviance | hmm, i dont know exactly what php5 version i need |
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| 15:14.43 | gnarface | then it likely won't matter |
| 15:14.49 | gnarface | go with lenny first |
| 15:14.56 | SineDeviance | karlpinc: eh, no thanks, i already went through backport hell setting up my debian desktop D: |
| 15:15.18 | SineDeviance | gnarface: well, i'll be using the latest wordpress, eyeOS, maybe my own mail server. |
| 15:15.27 | SineDeviance | otherwise, dunno. |
| 15:15.51 | gnarface | easier to go forward than to go back |
| 15:16.00 | SineDeviance | gnarface: eh... true |
| 15:16.34 | SineDeviance | so then, i just download a debian-5.0 netinst iso, make my usb drive (i'm installing from usb) and install the base system? |
| 15:16.48 | gnarface | that's what i'd do |
| 15:16.53 | gnarface | hell i wouldn't even install the base system |
| 15:16.59 | gnarface | i'd just install without any selections |
| 15:17.02 | SineDeviance | !tell SineDeviance about openbox |
| 15:17.03 | gnarface | then manually grab what i needed |
| 15:17.08 | jordanm | !tell SineDeviance about usb install |
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| 15:17.38 | SineDeviance | jordanm: i know how to install the system from usb, i just wanted to know what to pick at tasksel |
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| 15:17.59 | jordanm | SineDeviance: are you sure? our usb creation is quite a bit different |
| 15:18.13 | SineDeviance | jordanm: i installed my desktop debian install through usb |
| 15:18.16 | WaterRatj | when I installed soomething trought apt-get install how do I find out where its located? |
| 15:18.19 | gnarface | SineDeviance: it's got a 30GB harddrive... install your dependencies by hand. safe your drive space |
| 15:18.20 | karlpinc | SineDeviance: I always install just the minimum, and add what I want. This means I keep a list of the stuff I want (emacs, less, openssh-server, ntp, etc.) but it's always quick and painless. |
| 15:18.23 | SineDeviance | it's running fine. |
| 15:18.27 | jordanm | WaterRatj: dpkg -L <package> |
| 15:18.44 | karlpinc | SineDeviance: The less you have installed the less can go wrong. |
| 15:18.55 | SineDeviance | gnarface: so then ... i pick nothing at the tasksel part of the install, right? |
| 15:19.29 | karlpinc | SineDeviance: Yes. |
| 15:19.35 | SineDeviance | okeis... thanks guys |
| 15:19.37 | gnarface | SineDeviance: yes. that'll give you a ~380MB install that will be capable of doing little other than booting and installing other shit |
| 15:19.41 | SineDeviance | i think i can do this now :D |
| 15:19.50 | SineDeviance | gnarface: that actually sounds perfect |
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| 15:20.11 | SineDeviance | all i need is the server packages, openbox, a couple text editors, vnc, nx, and webmin |
| 15:20.34 | gnarface | as long as you know what you DO need, their dependencies will be pulled in automatically |
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| 15:20.43 | SineDeviance | yeah |
| 15:20.51 | SineDeviance | well |
| 15:20.57 | SineDeviance | now comes the fun part |
| 15:21.06 | SineDeviance | i have to back up everything on the old server |
| 15:21.09 | SineDeviance | joy joy :D |
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| 15:23.11 | stew | SineDeviance: also note that debian removed webmin long ago because it was a huge buggy security risk. the webmin authors offer (or at least used to offer) their own debian packages which were comedically low quality |
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| 15:23.40 | jordanm | already linked him to webmin factoid |
| 15:24.01 | SineDeviance | stew: yeah, i saw that... |
| 15:24.19 | SineDeviance | why were the webmin packages on webmin's official site low quality? |
| 15:24.31 | SineDeviance | they still offer .debs btw |
| 15:24.49 | jordanm | SineDeviance: I would imagine they don't meet the standards of debian policy |
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| 15:24.54 | jordanm | !tell SineDeviance about debian policy |
| 15:24.56 | stew | they showed a complete lack of understand about how a debian package was built. |
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| 15:25.00 | jordanm | that is just a guess however |
| 15:25.26 | SineDeviance | ahh |
| 15:25.36 | SineDeviance | so it's generally recommended that i do not use webmin on debian? |
| 15:25.41 | stew | they were doign stuff like unpacking the entire source tarball into /opt then moving stuff all over the system in the maintainer scripts instead of just creating a package that already had stuff where they belonged |
| 15:25.55 | stew | SineDeviance: its generally recommended that you not use webmin anywhere |
| 15:26.05 | SineDeviance | :( |
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| 15:26.13 | SineDeviance | that kinda sucks. i have become accustomed to using it |
| 15:26.17 | SineDeviance | oh wells |
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| 15:26.24 | SineDeviance | i guess i can get by without it |
| 15:26.33 | stew | SineDeviance: what kinds of operations do you rely on webmin for? |
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| 15:27.32 | heyson-alice | What does "Unable to obtain symbol listing!" mean? |
| 15:27.50 | gnarface | sounds bad |
| 15:27.51 | karlpinc | Thinks the only purpose of webmin is that it forces you to read what's on the screen in order to do anything in place of reading the relevant sections of the docs in the first place. |
| 15:27.52 | stew | but who knows, perhaps their packages have improved since they first submitted them for review |
| 15:28.00 | JordiGH | If I have more than one network interface connected, how does Linux decide which one to use for new connections? |
| 15:28.07 | SineDeviance | stew: well, i use it's in-built file manager to upload tar archives and such to the server, then it extracts them automatically. i never could get file sharing working properly so this was a way to get around that. i also use all the config editors it has built in |
| 15:28.30 | gnarface | JordiGH: if they both have valid routes to the destination, then i think it load balances |
| 15:28.41 | stew | JordiGH: the routing table |
| 15:29.08 | JordiGH | Routing table, eh? |
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| 15:29.10 | stew | if you have more than one route to the destination it uses one of the two until you have setup qos via tc |
| 15:29.20 | jordanm | SineDeviance: if all you use are HTTP services, you would probably be happier with a shared hosting plan |
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| 15:29.29 | stew | JordiGH: type "ip r", it shoudl say which device it is going to use |
| 15:29.44 | SineDeviance | jordanm: eh, no. just no. :D |
| 15:30.02 | karlpinc | SineDeviance: You want to use the debian archives instead of tarballs unless you're willing to do all the system integration that the debian team already does to make sure everything works well together. |
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| 15:30.43 | jordanm | SineDeviance: is this for a business? |
| 15:30.51 | deStone | i have a hard drive going into read-only mode -- where should i start looking to find hte problem (nothing noticiable through the syslog thus far) |
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| 15:31.04 | karlpinc | deStone: dmesg |
| 15:31.13 | JordiGH | So how do I pick a different one? Say, I want to use eth0 for workstuff and wlan0 to steal the neighbour's wifi to get around workblocking. |
| 15:31.19 | SineDeviance | jordanm: no, just my personal website and some other misc crap |
| 15:31.24 | stew | JordiGH: /msg dpkg split access |
| 15:31.26 | SineDeviance | it's not a 'production' environment |
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| 15:32.40 | deStone | karlpinc: thanks |
| 15:33.03 | JordiGH | Thanks! |
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| 15:38.37 | o2T7 | abrotman: dban gets freezed on a "PCI (sysfs)" message. |
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| 15:41.13 | o2T7 | Finally, I'm filling the disk with dd, zeroing it. |
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| 15:43.19 | abrotman | o2T7: that's weird .. i've used it tons of times .. you sure it's the drive? |
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| 15:43.33 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 15:45.14 | gnarface | o2T7: you tried a new cable just to be thorough right? |
| 15:45.41 | dury | I would like to install a mail server in my debian box. Could anyone drive me how to do it, please? |
| 15:45.55 | abrotman | dury: it probably has one already .. you mean you need to configure one ? |
| 15:46.00 | o2T7 | abrotman, gnarface: I even extracted the sata disk to the laptop that booted the dban disk |
| 15:46.18 | o2T7 | I mean, I installed the defective one on it exclusively. |
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| 15:47.32 | gnarface | o2T7: sounds like you have only one recourse left |
| 15:48.50 | o2T7 | the trash bucket? :) |
| 15:48.58 | SineDeviance | oh yay. no java support in my browser because i'm using amd64 D: |
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| 15:49.13 | Justin | SineDeviance: java works on amd64 |
| 15:49.23 | SineDeviance | Justin: sure, just not in browsers |
| 15:49.34 | jelly | Justin: what about Sun's java plugin? |
| 15:49.44 | gnarface | o2T7: i was gonna say smash the shit out of it with a hammer then give it a decent burial, but i suppose these sort of customs may differ depending on your locale |
| 15:49.52 | jelly | ,versions sun-java6-plugin --arch amd64 |
| 15:49.54 | judd | sun-java6-plugin -- lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-4; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-4 |
| 15:50.06 | jelly | SineDeviance: amazingly it's there |
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| 15:50.22 | SineDeviance | huh... lemme try that! :D |
| 15:50.29 | AlexC_ | upon boot I get "i8042.c: No controller found." - what could be causing this? |
| 15:50.39 | o2T7 | gnarface: juas more or less the same here, depending on the grade of frustation |
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| 15:50.44 | jelly | SineDeviance: what _else_ did you try if not that? |
| 15:51.01 | darkskiez | AlexC_: is it causing a problem? |
| 15:51.29 | AlexC_ | darkskiez: no, it's not - but I don't like the fact it's there |
| 15:51.41 | darkskiez | AlexC_: add quiet to your boot |
| 15:51.54 | darkskiez | AlexC_: the kernel has support for PS/2 keyboards and you dont have one. |
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| 15:52.05 | SineDeviance | well, it still doesnt work |
| 15:52.08 | SineDeviance | now i just get errors |
| 15:52.10 | SineDeviance | oh wells |
| 15:52.15 | SineDeviance | i need to go to 32bit |
| 15:52.21 | AlexC_ | darkskiez: hum, that's the strange thing - it already is and I'm still getting these messages (and others, all from /var/log/messages) appearing. I had this before on another one of our servers, forgot how I fixed it though |
| 15:52.21 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 15:58.14 | Justin | AlexC_: weird keyboard on that machine? |
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| 16:00.02 | AlexC_ | Justin: no, bog standard Dell USB keyboard |
| 16:00.05 | AlexC_ | however I have to run, g'bye |
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| 16:03.19 | lblume | Would it be possible to use pam-access in combination with winbind to forbid direct access to domain users (eg ssh) while allowing them to use Samba resources (printers, shares)? |
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| 16:04.28 | SineDeviance | if i'm doing a usb install from the internet, can i use the businesscard iso? |
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| 16:06.16 | solifugus | Has anyone here used Debian on an IBM Mainframe? |
| 16:06.17 | EagleScreen | SineDeviance: USB install? |
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| 16:07.01 | dury | abrotman: are you there? |
| 16:07.03 | WaterRatj | doesn't lenny have zlib package? |
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| 16:07.40 | stew | WaterRatj: zlib1g and zlib1g-dev |
| 16:08.05 | stew | SineDeviance: it makes more sense to use the netinstall images |
| 16:08.10 | WaterRatj | thx |
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| 16:08.24 | stew | the businesscard images should probably go away. i doubt many people actually still have 50mb blank cds |
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| 16:08.56 | jelly | are there businesscard dvd±r media? |
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| 16:09.31 | stew | good question. though, of course, they'd still not want to use the businesscard iso |
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| 16:09.54 | dury | abrotman: busy? |
| 16:10.17 | abrotman | dury: if i'm not answering, i'm probably busy :) |
| 16:10.32 | SineDeviance | stew: i thought they were ALL netinstall images except for the full CD images? |
| 16:10.36 | dury | abrotman: sorry then |
| 16:10.47 | jelly | 330MB apparently |
| 16:10.47 | abrotman | dury: you need to give us more details |
| 16:10.50 | SineDeviance | so i need the 180mb iso |
| 16:10.52 | SineDeviance | ? |
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| 16:11.55 | abrotman | dury: but i'm about to step away again, so give us detail about what you're trying to do, and then be patient please. |
| 16:12.25 | stew | SineDeviance: if you use the businesscard iso, when you run it, it will download everything on the netinst iso that isn't already on the businesscard iso. so there is no real reason to use it over the netinst unless you are using a medium that isn't big enough to hold the entire netinst (in which case, i'd recommend getting bigger media) |
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| 16:13.07 | SineDeviance | stew: but i dont want to install the full base system. |
| 16:13.18 | SineDeviance | stew: i'm building a lightweight server with only the stuff i NEED |
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| 16:13.27 | stew | SineDeviance: what is on the base system that you don't need? |
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| 16:13.42 | SineDeviance | stew: uh, probably everything except apt and the kernel :D |
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| 16:14.02 | stew | SineDeviance: you don't need commands like ls? |
| 16:14.10 | SineDeviance | not really, no |
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| 16:14.27 | stew | SineDeviance: you don't need "mount" |
| 16:14.29 | stew | ? |
| 16:14.32 | jelly | stew: portmap? :-) |
| 16:14.45 | jelly | !emdebian |
| 16:14.46 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:14.49 | SineDeviance | eh, well, i guess i do need SOME of the base system then |
| 16:15.04 | jelly | SineDeviance: perhaps you'd want to look into emdebian. |
| 16:15.09 | stew | SineDeviance: unless you are an expert at this, you are going to install the base-system |
| 16:15.29 | dury | abrotman: well.. the thing is that I login in my server using ssh "ssh user@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" so I can go to any folder.. the need is to obtain, get or a a file or files from there... what's the command line to do that |
| 16:16.00 | stew | SineDeviance: and if you are going to try to run a debian system that doesn't have all the Priority:required and Essential:yes packages, we're not going to support you |
| 16:16.33 | SineDeviance | stew: okay, okay. i'll just install 5.0 regular. |
| 16:17.44 | jelly | SineDeviance: base system is like 400MB of stuff you probably don't want to go without. |
| 16:18.16 | SineDeviance | well |
| 16:18.21 | SineDeviance | the usb stick is made. i guess it's time |
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| 16:22.22 | dury | command line for ssh to copy files from a server to another box |
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| 16:22.36 | userrlc | hello, I have some trouble with evolution. I use an imap account but every time I open evolution, the software loose my imap folders "inbox", "sent", "trash"... I have to reconnect them manualy to see them again. But even after that, if I close evolution and reopen it, the imap folders are lost again... (evolution 2.30.2, squeeze). Any solution ? |
| 16:22.38 | gnarface | dury: man scp |
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| 16:28.54 | WaterRatj | what permision do I need to give a folder so I can put files in it? |
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| 16:29.42 | stew | WaterRatj: write permission |
| 16:29.49 | Bushmills | permission to stay out until 9 pm |
| 16:30.00 | WaterRatj | stew: I ment the command ^ |
| 16:30.05 | WaterRatj | Bushmills: lol |
| 16:30.05 | SineDeviance | what's a good lightweight wm for debian lenny? |
| 16:30.07 | Computer | i want to run Windows XP under a virtual machine on Lenny |
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| 16:30.13 | Computer | which one should i use? qemu? |
| 16:30.20 | stew | WaterRatj: chmod |
| 16:30.20 | SineDeviance | Computer: virtualbox-ose |
| 16:30.27 | lblume | How to use group names containing spaces in /etc/security/access.conf? |
| 16:30.32 | WaterRatj | stew: now with parameters lol |
| 16:30.38 | Computer | good idea, SineDeviance |
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| 16:30.54 | Computer | the enhancement tools that virtualbox injects into the guest machine are nice |
| 16:30.54 | stew | WaterRatj: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 16:31.51 | SineDeviance | <Computer> the enhancement tools that virtualbox injects into the guest machine are nice <-- yep. they do make it pretty awesome. |
| 16:32.03 | SineDeviance | i run a copy XP SP3 in windows 7 from time to time |
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| 16:33.03 | shylent | you can run linux in windows 7's "XP mode" |
| 16:33.29 | Computer | shylent: huh? |
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| 16:34.06 | Computer | shylent: oh i see. its a light version of virtual-pc lol |
| 16:34.12 | shylent | Computer: windows 7 ultimate has "MS virtual PC" built-in that lets you virtualize a copy of windows XP so that you can run legacy stuff or something. And it so turns out that you can actually run linux in that virtualizer |
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| 16:35.28 | TZug | for whom who hasnt ultimate n premium win 7 can download Virtual PC from MS direktly (without the copy of XP for free of course) |
| 16:35.31 | shylent | there are some troubles regarding the GUI, but as long as you dont run X clients, everything 'just works' |
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| 16:36.08 | Computer | shylent: using sun's virtualbox, which is free, makes more sense to me |
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| 16:36.19 | jwaters | shylent, you can also replace it w/vmware workstation. Then run X if you like |
| 16:36.22 | Computer | but for cool points thats pretty neat i guess |
| 16:36.22 | shylent | Computer: of course :) but it was a nice experiment at the time |
| 16:36.31 | dury | gnarface: I've red that but doesn't say what I want |
| 16:36.42 | TZug | MS Virtual PC is free too. But I prefere Vbox myself |
| 16:36.55 | SineDeviance | oh wow... the backlight in my thinkpad server is dead |
| 16:36.57 | SineDeviance | that sucks |
| 16:37.09 | shylent | thinkpad *server* ? |
| 16:37.10 | stew | hah, I doubt ms virtual pc is free |
| 16:37.10 | SineDeviance | oh wells. external monitor install ahoy |
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| 16:37.29 | SineDeviance | shylent: yep. i use an ibm thinkpad w/ a 1.3ghz pentium 3 and 640mb of ram as my server. |
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| 16:37.39 | SineDeviance | the battery works, it's quiet, and runs cool. |
| 16:37.41 | shylent | SineDeviance: fair enough |
| 16:37.43 | SineDeviance | can't ask for more in a server. |
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| 16:38.02 | SineDeviance | does ssh get installed by the base system automatically? |
| 16:38.09 | damog | SineDeviance: it does not. |
| 16:38.13 | jwaters | SineDeviance, no |
| 16:38.32 | SineDeviance | do i have to just apt-get ssh or is there a bunch of stuff i'll need to configure? |
| 16:38.42 | SineDeviance | cause i'm just gonna do base install then finish it up via ssh |
| 16:38.48 | damog | SineDeviance: aptitude install ssh will do |
| 16:38.55 | SineDeviance | damog: okeis, thanks |
| 16:39.04 | dury | SineDeviance: apt-get install ssh |
| 16:39.06 | SineDeviance | so, after i install the ssh package it'll be ready to go? i'm using lenny btw |
| 16:39.15 | damog | SineDeviance: yes it will. |
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| 16:39.20 | SineDeviance | cool, thanks |
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| 16:40.15 | TZug | stew: it is free. no open source but free. the never version for Win 7 but you can use an older one for Win XP and stuff |
| 16:40.26 | stew | TZug: it can't be free if its not open source |
| 16:41.00 | jordanm | TZug: you mean it is "free of cost", which typically does not meet out "free" definition alone |
| 16:41.07 | jordanm | s/out/our/ |
| 16:41.43 | TZug | jordanm: tx, free of cost! of course |
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| 16:43.44 | SineDeviance | okay... now, by default, tasksel has 'standard desktop' 'laptop' and 'standard system' selected |
| 16:43.51 | SineDeviance | so ... should i de-select ALL of those, or? |
| 16:44.09 | SineDeviance | this is a lightweight server, remember |
| 16:44.20 | dury | damog: would you assist me please how to use scp in ssh |
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| 16:44.30 | SineDeviance | all i want is the base system |
| 16:44.38 | tharkun | SineDeviance: even though sshd daemon is ready to work out of the box. It will not hurt you to google how to make it more secure if your machine is going to be exposed directly to the internet |
| 16:44.53 | tharkun | dury: man scp |
| 16:44.55 | SineDeviance | tharkun: yeah, i can do that once i get the system setup |
| 16:45.01 | SineDeviance | thansk |
| 16:45.04 | damog | dury: scp my.file remote.server:/home/location |
| 16:45.05 | SineDeviance | thanks* even. |
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| 16:45.49 | SineDeviance | okay, so i guess i just deselect all of those options? |
| 16:47.21 | dury | tharkun: red it already doesn't mention anything as damog's command line... which very helpful for me |
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| 16:47.45 | dury | which is very helpful I mean |
| 16:48.06 | tharkun | dury: hmmm read the SYNOPSYS part. it is exactly what you were told in here |
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| 16:49.03 | tharkun | dury: Actually the second line of that part. But never mind you need to learn how to interpret man pages it will make your life easier |
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| 16:50.54 | xreal | My RAID-0 is /dev/md1 and my RAID-1 is /dev/md0. Is it possible to switch those names? |
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| 16:55.35 | tharkun | I have a server that i need to deploy next week. Do you recommend installing lenny or squeeze ? Since Squeeze is frozen should i expect a bumpy ride in case i decide to install squeeze? |
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| 16:56.20 | jordanm | tharkun: lenny. one of the bumpier parts of the squeeze ride is occuring right now |
| 16:56.21 | themill | tharkun: security support for squeeze is yet to be announced. |
| 16:56.51 | jordanm | no transitions to worry about, but still a lot of things going in as "exceptions" |
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| 16:57.30 | tharkun | jordanm, themill: thx a lot for such a prompt answer. I'll stick with lenny for the momment. And next year I'll worry about updating |
| 16:57.57 | imaginaryman | running this code ffmpeg -f alsa -ac 2 -i hw:0,0 ./test.wav it makes the file and appears to be recording but contains no audio |
| 16:58.13 | imaginaryman | i am trying to recored sound coming from my speakers |
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| 16:59.16 | gnarface | imaginaryman: typically hw:0,0 is an input device not an output device.... |
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| 16:59.36 | imaginaryman | gnarface: I have been thinking that was my problem |
| 16:59.45 | stew | imaginaryman: you probably now have to setup asoundrc to redirect the output |
| 16:59.49 | jhutchins | imaginaryman: You may need some software like oss or pulseaudio that allows you to redirect the output. |
| 16:59.54 | stew | imaginaryman: its probably now trying to record from your muted mic |
| 17:00.06 | stew | alsa allows you to redirect the output |
| 17:00.20 | gnarface | stew, jhutchins not necessarily - there's often an output device by default on many soundcards, it's just not usually ON |
| 17:00.48 | imaginaryman | such a rabbit hole |
| 17:01.02 | stew | what he is trying to do doesn't really have to do with the device though |
| 17:01.25 | imaginaryman | I imagine there are quit a few ways to do this |
| 17:01.27 | stew | he wants to redirect the pcm stream to ffmpeg |
| 17:02.01 | jhutchins | After installing kde on squeeze and starting kdm, I get a completely unresponsive box, blank screen, no network presence. |
| 17:02.22 | jhutchins | However, on reboot I get the greeter in less than half the time that lenny took... must be ok. |
| 17:02.23 | imaginaryman | stew: how would I do it that way |
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| 17:02.57 | jhutchins | ,versions kde3 |
| 17:03.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde3' was found. |
| 17:03.08 | jhutchins | ,versions kde-base |
| 17:03.10 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde-base' was found. |
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| 17:03.21 | jhutchins | ,versions kdebase |
| 17:03.24 | judd | kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 5:64; squeeze: 5:64 |
| 17:03.49 | tharkun | !tell jhutchins about message the bots |
| 17:04.25 | jhutchins | tharkun: Yeah, yeah, about the third try you really feel stupid not having used the open query window. |
| 17:04.42 | jelly | ,versions xpdf |
| 17:04.44 | judd | xpdf -- etch: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-security: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-backports: 3.02-1.4~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; sid: 3.02-9 |
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| 17:05.07 | SineDeviance | excellent. this is working well :D |
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| 17:06.19 | jhutchins | Hm. Logged in, poked around a bit, suddenly black screen again. |
| 17:06.23 | jelly | SineDeviance: you can also get rid of portmap if you don't use nfs |
| 17:06.49 | SineDeviance | hmm, i do have a question... what do i need to install to enable filesharing between debian and windows 7? |
| 17:07.05 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: Install debian on the win7 box? |
| 17:07.08 | SineDeviance | jelly: nah, i'll just leave what's on there. but thanks |
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| 17:07.13 | jelly | SineDeviance: which windows 7? |
| 17:07.32 | SineDeviance | jhutchins: no, i'm running a debian server, but i need to fileshare from my desktop, which runs win7 |
| 17:07.34 | jelly | SineDeviance: enterprise and ultimate have working NFS support |
| 17:07.41 | tharkun | SineDeviance: there is winscp if you only need to copy one time those files. Else there are a lot of options |
| 17:07.43 | imaginaryman | in alsamixer I don't see pcm under capture |
| 17:07.44 | SineDeviance | jelly: x64 ultimate |
| 17:07.48 | rnewson | anyone have time to help an idiot (me) downgrade libc6 from squeeze to lenny? 'locales' is missing and so the scripts fail. (yes, I know,I know..) |
| 17:08.03 | SineDeviance | tharkun: i'd prefer a drag and drop solution (from windows) |
| 17:08.04 | jelly | SineDeviance: then use mount and showmount in windows just like you would in linux |
| 17:08.06 | SineDeviance | so, do i need samba? |
| 17:08.07 | stew | imaginaryman: you'd use asoundrc, but how exactly, you'll have to lookup yourself |
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| 17:08.18 | tharkun | SineDeviance: it is a drag and drop solution in windows |
| 17:08.23 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: I still think installing debian on the desktop is the answer, but yes, samba client. |
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| 17:08.30 | jelly | or nfs! |
| 17:09.04 | SineDeviance | jhutchins: right, why would i install debian on my windows 7 desktop if i wanted to run it on a separate box AS A SERVER. sorry man but your logic makes no sense :D |
| 17:09.23 | stew | the logic of wanting to run windows makes no sense |
| 17:09.24 | tharkun | SineDeviance: if what jelly says is true. NFS is your fast solution. I haven't got my hands on a Windows 7 machine yet |
| 17:09.28 | SineDeviance | jelly: well, i guess i'd better learn how to use nfs then |
| 17:09.29 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: Because it makes a better desktop than Win7. |
| 17:09.41 | jelly | SineDeviance: but samba is much more compatible if you ever get other windows clients |
| 17:09.46 | jelly | oh ffs |
| 17:09.49 | SineDeviance | jhutchins: sorry, not getting into the windows vs. linux debate, save your breath |
| 17:09.54 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: Windows native filesharing system is smb, hence samba. |
| 17:10.23 | jelly | jhutchins: microsoft has improved their interoperability a lot in 7 |
| 17:10.31 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: I stand by my opinion, but I _am_ pulling your leg. |
| 17:10.46 | jelly | jhutchins: it's annoying |
| 17:11.05 | SineDeviance | jhutchins: it's fine :D |
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| 17:11.40 | SineDeviance | jelly: so ... does nfs come by default in debian 5 base? sorry, i have no clue how to use it |
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| 17:11.55 | stew | SineDeviance: no, very little comes in base |
| 17:12.18 | SineDeviance | okay. so i install nfs and i have to setup shares, right? |
| 17:12.20 | jelly | SineDeviance: install nfs-kernel-server and samba packages, you'll have to learn and configure both, then test them |
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| 17:13.24 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: Were you sharing from debian to win7, or from win7 to debian? |
| 17:13.41 | SineDeviance | jhutchins: both. but it shouldn't matter if it works. |
| 17:14.00 | phorce1 | how would one use apt-cache search to look specifically for stuff from bpo? |
| 17:14.15 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: Well, it's a little trickier to share from linux, but still pretty easy. The clients are pretty much install-and-run. |
| 17:14.18 | jelly | ,versions xpdf |
| 17:14.21 | judd | xpdf -- etch: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-security: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-backports: 3.02-1.4~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; sid: 3.02-9 |
| 17:14.42 | phorce1 | jelly: that's cheating |
| 17:15.17 | stew | phorce1: you can't |
| 17:15.23 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: I recommend using swat to configure the samba shares, it links each setting to the relevant documentation. |
| 17:15.33 | stew | phorce1: since the version number contain bpo, you could probably use aptitude to look for that in version strings |
| 17:15.38 | jelly | phorce1: well judd's working off a nearby vm so I'm spending local resources ;-) |
| 17:15.38 | SineDeviance | jhutchins: i'll check that out, thanks! |
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| 17:16.38 | phorce1 | jelly: it's also fascinating that xpdf is still version 3.02 in sid (although revision -9) and it works with that document in sid but not in lenny. |
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| 17:17.12 | simonrvn | check the changelog (C in aptitude) |
| 17:17.13 | jelly | phorce1: obviuosly, upstream versions matter very little |
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| 17:17.24 | SineDeviance | jhutchins: swat is a gui tool, isn't it. |
| 17:17.33 | tharkun | yes |
| 17:17.37 | jordanm | its a web interface |
| 17:17.40 | SineDeviance | yeah... no GUI here :D |
| 17:17.42 | jhutchins | SineDeviance: Web-based |
| 17:17.45 | phorce1 | I guess /me will have to break down and learn aptitude's search functions <sigh> |
| 17:17.53 | tharkun | SineDeviance: w3m |
| 17:17.53 | Gijs | guys if i zip a file, is there a parameter to ignore files? so the files wich i dont want to be added/ |
| 17:17.55 | Gijs | ? |
| 17:18.11 | SineDeviance | so wait, can i run swat and use it from my desktop? |
| 17:18.13 | SineDeviance | cause that would work fine |
| 17:18.21 | jhutchins | So...no bluetooth applet in kde4? |
| 17:18.27 | simonrvn | Gijs: there's a --help and a man page |
| 17:18.27 | jelly | Gijs: keyword you're looking for is "exclude" |
| 17:18.41 | jordanm | Gijs: give this a try: man zip; use "/" to search for the term "exclude" |
| 17:19.01 | cahoot | jhutchins: so much for the desktop capabilities ;) |
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| 17:19.32 | tharkun | Gijs: man zip |less '+/exclude' |
| 17:19.53 | jhutchins | Hm, this time X appears to have crashed back to the console... |
| 17:20.25 | jelly | jhutchins: there was a totally fresh new bluetooth backend in kde something like a month ago, it might have not managed its way to debian. Ask #debian-kde (on oftc) |
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| 17:21.03 | jhutchins | jelly: thx. |
| 17:21.03 | themill | ,versions bluedevil |
| 17:21.05 | judd | bluedevil -- sid: 1.0~rc2-1 |
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| 17:21.13 | themill | (uploaded a couple of days ago) |
| 17:21.44 | jelly | ok then, "it might have not managed to find its way to squeeze" |
| 17:21.49 | Techtronic | cd |
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| 17:21.57 | jelly | Techtronic: you're now at home. |
| 17:22.12 | simonrvn | if only it were that easy ;p |
| 17:22.17 | jhutchins | ...andsince squeeze is frozen, it won't. (Right?) |
| 17:22.27 | jelly | jhutchins: ask in #debian-kde |
| 17:22.35 | rnewson | (I fixed the libc6 problem) |
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| 17:22.46 | Techtronic | jelly: screen ... damn :)) |
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| 17:24.09 | stew | jhutchins: right. (almost definately) |
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| 17:24.52 | SineDeviance | whats a good lightweight wm to use in debian? |
| 17:24.55 | SineDeviance | er, debian 5 |
| 17:25.02 | Techtronic | fluxbox |
| 17:25.05 | tharkun | SineDeviance: what hw do you have? |
| 17:25.12 | jhutchins | Interesting, still getting mount usage messages during boot. |
| 17:25.19 | SineDeviance | tharkun: doesn't matter, i just need it to run swat in a web browser. |
| 17:25.25 | imaginaryman | ok arecord by itself records standard in |
| 17:25.27 | tharkun | s |
| 17:25.29 | jhutchins | Black screen this time, no greeter. |
| 17:25.31 | jordanm | SineDeviance: use w3m |
| 17:25.35 | tharkun | SineDeviance: use w3m for that |
| 17:25.38 | imaginaryman | and aplay plays pcm out |
| 17:26.06 | sphenxes | I have just added new 2*2 GB memory to my lenny computer. free -m show that i have only 3289936k memory available. Why can't my system recognize the 4GB memory? |
| 17:26.09 | jordanm | or my favorite, w3m-el (emacs) |
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| 17:26.34 | jordanm | sphenxes: limitation of a 32bit os without PAE. install -bigmem for PAE |
| 17:26.38 | tharkun | jordanm: Installing an os within another os is a nono |
| 17:26.38 | imaginaryman | can i get a hint on how to write aplay | arecored correctly |
| 17:26.51 | jordanm | sphenxes: that is linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 17:27.14 | correcaminos | . |
| 17:27.20 | SineDeviance | god almighty this is so freaking complicated |
| 17:27.23 | tharkun | sphenxes: check that your motherboard supports it |
| 17:27.35 | SineDeviance | i cant get swat to work. i run it and try to connect to localhost:901 with w3m, but nothing. |
| 17:27.47 | jhutchins | This is new: |
| 17:27.49 | jhutchins | Fatal server error: |
| 17:27.50 | jhutchins | Failed to submit batchbuffer: Input/output error |
| 17:27.51 | jordanm | SineDeviance: there is a reason people spend years studying computers |
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| 17:27.58 | imaginaryman | haha |
| 17:27.59 | imaginaryman | decades |
| 17:28.00 | jordanm | and then proceed to not be able to get jobs... |
| 17:28.04 | imaginaryman | lies |
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| 17:28.07 | tharkun | SineDeviance: naa, things get complicated when you make services available from different plataforms to different clients on also different platforms |
| 17:28.11 | imaginaryman | you get to make jobs |
| 17:28.12 | SineDeviance | jordanm: okay, i can seriously do without your sarcastic comments. but thanks anyways. |
| 17:28.27 | jordanm | SineDeviance: no sarcasm intended |
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| 17:28.38 | dbion | hi, i just installed debian but windows7 is not listed in the grub :( |
| 17:28.51 | sphenxes | Jordanm, it is 64 bit |
| 17:29.01 | jordanm | dbion: sure you didn't overwrite it? |
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| 17:29.06 | jordanm | sphenxes: what does uname -r say? |
| 17:29.07 | stew | sphenxes: the os is or the hardware is? |
| 17:29.09 | SineDeviance | dbion: try running update-grub as root, or update-grub2 as root if you're using testing or sid. |
| 17:29.18 | jordanm | sphenxes:err, sorry, uname -a |
| 17:29.30 | dbion | testing |
| 17:29.38 | SineDeviance | dbion: then run update-grub2 as root |
| 17:29.40 | dbion | inside debian or rescue mode? |
| 17:29.46 | SineDeviance | inside debian is fine |
| 17:29.50 | sphenxes | jordanm Linux lenny 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 20 20:16:30 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:29.51 | dbion | ok |
| 17:29.53 | stew | update-grub discovers windows installs? |
| 17:30.02 | SineDeviance | stew: it's supposed to |
| 17:30.13 | stew | that's new i guess |
| 17:30.14 | jordanm | stew: yes, it runs os-prober or some such |
| 17:30.14 | SineDeviance | sometimes it just doesn't on the first try |
| 17:30.45 | abrotman | you have to have os-prober installed for that to work |
| 17:31.20 | jordanm | sphenxes: I guess the big question is why free -m reported your RAM in KB |
| 17:31.27 | stew | heh |
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| 17:32.27 | stew | perhaps we need to know what is meant by "available" |
| 17:32.32 | mms_ | alsa expert around ? I have snd_hda_intel and its alsainfo at http://pastebin.ca/1915248 |
| 17:32.37 | mms_ | I dont get sound |
| 17:32.46 | mms_ | i am on lenny |
| 17:32.58 | mms_ | my hardware is hp mini 1030 nr netbook |
| 17:33.05 | jordanm | !tell mms_ about alsa checklist |
| 17:33.12 | jordanm | !tell mms_ about enter |
| 17:33.19 | mms_ | jordanm: I already done those checks.... |
| 17:33.30 | jordanm | mms_: alright, just making sure |
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| 17:33.41 | mms_ | jordanm: this is 3rd day in row I am here :-) |
| 17:33.47 | mms_ | with same question |
| 17:33.53 | stew | mms_: is pcm muted? |
| 17:33.53 | sphenxes | stew, sorry total |
| 17:34.02 | mms_ | stew: NO |
| 17:34.21 | jordanm | sphenxes: please pastebin the full output of free -m |
| 17:34.48 | mms_ | one check pastebin ...I will be back in 2 min. |
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| 17:34.56 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.56 | sphenxes | Mem: 3212 1249 1963 0 68 519 |
| 17:34.56 | sphenxes | -/+ buffers/cache: 660 2551 |
| 17:34.56 | sphenxes | Swap: 8777 0 8777 |
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| 17:36.19 | jelly | I wonder is sphenxes has onboard graphics and a BIOS stealing RAM |
| 17:36.24 | jordanm | well, that is rather strange if he has a amd64 kernel |
| 17:36.36 | jordanm | jelly: 800MB is a lot to steal |
| 17:37.00 | jordanm | and just happens to line right up with the 32bit limitation... |
| 17:37.01 | phorce1 | especially since I have a 32 bit kernel and it reports 3546 total |
| 17:37.31 | jelly | jordanm: it's similar but could be a completely different raisin |
| 17:37.35 | jordanm | and my 32bit kernel reports 8118 :) |
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| 17:38.13 | jelly | also, 2.6.26 might have problems with memory holes. "try a newer kernel" |
| 17:38.18 | phorce1 | I'm not running -bigmem. Overhead makes it not worth it for a 4GiB machine |
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| 17:38.50 | jelly | it's worth if it saves the workload from going into the swapping zone |
| 17:38.59 | dbion | hi is there a page with the debian sequeeze update repos? |
| 17:39.08 | dbion | I just installed debian and software sources seems empty |
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| 17:39.10 | jordanm | I use it for my vbox VMs |
| 17:39.13 | jelly | phorce1: have you measured the overhead btw? |
| 17:39.23 | phorce1 | !tell sphenxes about pastebin |
| 17:39.29 | jordanm | !tell dbion about sources.list |
| 17:39.34 | abrotman | dbion: use paste.debian.net .. show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:40.00 | jordanm | wonders if the updated the example sources.list for squeezes |
| 17:40.07 | phorce1 | jelly: Machine runs fine as is. So, no. I haven't even tested a -bigmem |
| 17:40.33 | abrotman | jordanm: there is always one in /usr/share/doc/apt/ |
| 17:40.45 | jelly | phorce1: overhead is a lie! |
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| 17:41.05 | sphenxes | jordanm http://pastebin.com/6NPcT6xq |
| 17:41.07 | jordanm | abrotman: ah, the example in lenny actually just points at "stable" |
| 17:41.18 | dbion | abrotman, sorry i was wrong they are just not listed in the gui, but available in the sources.list |
| 17:41.33 | jordanm | sphenxes: is your onboard video card using the missing RAM? |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | dbion: GUI? uhm okay |
| 17:41.43 | abrotman | jordanm: 800MB of video RAM? |
| 17:41.50 | dbion | i forgot to enable in synaptics :( |
| 17:41.58 | jordanm | abrotman: hehe, I said the same thing when jelly said it... but worht asking |
| 17:42.06 | sphenxes | jordanm, this may be a reason but how can i check it |
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| 17:42.38 | phorce1 | sphenxes: reboot, go to bios, see how much video RAM it lets you set for the onboard video |
| 17:42.45 | jordanm | sphenxes: typically it is an option in the BIOS to allocate X ammount of RAM. lshw might tell you how much the card has, which you can see if its about 800MB |
| 17:42.50 | phorce1 | (that's the easiest way) |
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| 17:42.55 | dbion | in the update tab(synaptic) i did enable updates, i think that it added the proper sources |
| 17:42.57 | jelly | sphenxes: hunt for video ram size in BIOS; if "automatic", reduce to like 32MB |
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| 17:43.25 | jordanm | jelly: is 32mb even capable of rendering 1920x1200? |
| 17:43.32 | sphenxes | thanks a lot, i will reboot and go after the video card |
| 17:43.32 | phorce1 | jelly: reduce it to match what he's using the machine for rather. |
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| 17:43.54 | jelly | phorce1: xorg will get its own if the drivers are any good |
| 17:43.58 | jelly | s/get/take/ |
| 17:44.18 | jordanm | ah |
| 17:44.28 | jelly | this is just for bios to report more |
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| 17:45.54 | mms_ | any alsa expert please check http://pastebin.ca/1915248 my sound not working... |
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| 17:50.18 | balzac5000 | Is it me or does aptitude in Lenny allow one to install MRTG *without* having Apache as a requisite? |
| 17:50.23 | jhutchins | Is there any overall documentation for grub2 and how users are supposed to manage it? |
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| 17:51.12 | dbion | i want to install the nvidia drivers (have 8800gt), do you know the ones in the package manager is as good as nviodia drivers? |
| 17:51.15 | dbion | nvidia |
| 17:51.17 | abrotman | balzac5000: i guess it could generate the files on one system and serve them elsewhere ? |
| 17:51.25 | stew | judd: depends mtrg lenny |
| 17:51.28 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mtrg' was found in lenny/i386. |
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| 17:51.36 | abrotman | judd: depends mrtg lenny |
| 17:51.39 | judd | mrtg -- depends: debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, libsnmp-session-perl (>= 0.97), perl-modules (>= 5.6.0), perl (>= 5.6.0-16), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgd2-noxpm (>= 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg) | libgd2-xpm (>= 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
| 17:51.51 | balzac5000 | abrotman: Huh. Yeah, I guess that's a (weird) possibility |
| 17:51.54 | stew | thanks. but yeah, don't see any need for apache there |
| 17:52.00 | stew | balzac5000: really? why? |
| 17:52.03 | abrotman | it 'suggests' an httpd |
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| 17:52.25 | jordanm | *or* www-browser |
| 17:52.29 | stew | i have my router generate stuff, but I don't want to run a webserver on my router |
| 17:52.44 | balzac5000 | stew: Well I guess if you're only monitoring the localhost then you could aim your local browser at the HTML files but that's not how I normally think about using it |
| 17:52.58 | balzac5000 | So do you export the HTML? |
| 17:53.12 | balzac5000 | (I'm clearly missing something) |
| 17:53.13 | stew | no |
| 17:53.45 | stew | i copy stuff off the box with rsync |
| 17:53.52 | balzac5000 | Ah |
| 17:54.02 | jimcooncat | sshfs is an option too |
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| 17:54.31 | balzac5000 | Diggit - I use MRTG for bandwidth and keep forgetting it does a LOT more and HTML *is* just another text file in the end... |
| 17:54.33 | imaginaryman | http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/8234/print |
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| 17:54.50 | abrotman | imaginaryman: that's pretty old |
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| 17:55.00 | imaginaryman | that might help you |
| 17:55.27 | imaginaryman | im reading alsa stuff so if I see anything else |
| 17:55.35 | datacrusher | whats the best suite for dvd / cd recording on gnome? gnome-baker ? brasero? any suggestions? |
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| 17:56.54 | balzac5000 | Huh - well, thanks for the input on MRTG. Funny how I've always installed it where Apache already was. |
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| 17:57.30 | imaginaryman | It seemed like hw:0,1,0 was what I wanted but it gives me the error "arecord: main:564: audio open error: Device or resource busy" |
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| 17:58.45 | jordanm | !tell imaginaryman about dmix |
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| 17:59.58 | imaginaryman | I really wanted to know more about how alsa and audio worked on linux |
| 18:00.15 | imaginaryman | = / |
| 18:00.22 | jordanm | good luck :) |
| 18:00.28 | imaginaryman | no kidding |
| 18:00.35 | imaginaryman | thank you |
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| 18:01.06 | maligor | 'good luck' is somewhat misleading, 'I hope you don't go mad' is more like it |
| 18:01.08 | kris_ | hey folks |
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| 18:01.23 | kris_ | i have a cool high end computer with cool well configured debian (i hope) |
| 18:01.30 | kris_ | anyway, sometimes it just freezes |
| 18:01.39 | imaginaryman | thats not good |
| 18:01.41 | maligor | freezes how? |
| 18:01.44 | kris_ | can anyone recommend me an diagnosis tool? |
| 18:01.48 | kris_ | freezes totally |
| 18:01.56 | kris_ | you cannot switch terminals |
| 18:01.57 | imaginaryman | are you doing anything specific ? |
| 18:02.01 | kris_ | and i want to log what happened |
| 18:02.05 | kris_ | nope |
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| 18:02.15 | imaginaryman | does it freeze in single user mode? |
| 18:02.27 | maligor | are you using binary drivers? (nvidia or ati)? |
| 18:02.34 | kris_ | hm.. the problem is, i cannot confirm it, because this would take me some days |
| 18:02.40 | kris_ | nvidaia |
| 18:02.50 | maligor | that does complicate it |
| 18:02.59 | kris_ | ok |
| 18:03.09 | kris_ | i hadn't have bad experience with nvidia drivers before |
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| 18:03.17 | maligor | did you try connecting to it after it froze? |
| 18:03.22 | maligor | like with ssh? |
| 18:03.29 | kris_ | jap |
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| 18:03.35 | kris_ | doesn't work |
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| 18:03.39 | kris_ | it's really dead |
| 18:03.47 | kris_ | sometimes it's dying slowly and you can watch |
| 18:03.48 | maligor | is it agp? |
| 18:03.50 | kris_ | that's really strange |
| 18:03.55 | kris_ | all our admins here don't know |
| 18:04.15 | kris_ | it's onboard |
| 18:04.30 | kris_ | oh i am confused wait a second |
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| 18:04.50 | kris_ | some people might have put something in |
| 18:04.59 | maligor | I only asked since agp is the bane of sensible setups |
| 18:05.09 | kris_ | ok |
| 18:05.12 | maligor | probably the most buggy interface ever in a pc |
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| 18:05.51 | kris_ | nvidia pci bridge |
| 18:05.56 | kris_ | geforce 8200 |
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| 18:06.14 | kris_ | what tool would log everything best? |
| 18:06.23 | maligor | integrated recent nvidia board then |
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| 18:07.01 | kris_ | yeah, it'snot really high end, i just said that, because it't a quadcore and i am pissed because it's slower than my 2year old laptop and has this freezing problem |
| 18:07.20 | maligor | the most basic step to do when you have issues like that is memtest86 |
| 18:07.21 | imaginaryman | hey kris_ |
| 18:07.29 | kris_ | we did |
| 18:07.36 | kris_ | hey imaginaryman |
| 18:07.43 | kris_ | are you the weirdo that installed debian on my computer? |
| 18:08.18 | kris_ | not it seems not imaginaryman :) |
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| 18:08.31 | maligor | kris_, then I guess you can try using 'nv' driver instead of 'nvidia' and see if happens |
| 18:08.41 | jordanm | kris_: I would test if you can ssh in remotely after the freeze occurs |
| 18:09.10 | kris_ | Jordan_U, i can't |
| 18:09.10 | snufux | Jordanm: we tried. it didn't work |
| 18:09.34 | kris_ | maligor can do that, but it sucks, |
| 18:09.50 | sphenxes | Jordanm, may be i have not mentione that i have overclocked my system (i have shifted the jumper on my Asrock Motherboard). may be that is the reason for the lost memory? |
| 18:09.58 | sphenxes | mentioned* |
| 18:10.03 | kris_ | ah to mention it: we had a bad configured kernel before and the logs said after crash, that some problems with alsa occurred |
| 18:10.06 | abrotman | sphenxes: shift it back |
| 18:10.18 | kris_ | then we rebuilt everything and the same problem occures, but much less often |
| 18:10.19 | maligor | kris_, well, it'd just be to locate the source of the issue |
| 18:10.24 | sphenxes | abrotman, thanks |
| 18:10.39 | maligor | kris_, nvidia is quite fast to fix issues in their dreadful binary blobs |
| 18:10.44 | abrotman | sphenxes: your mobo manual may tell you if that's the case ... but it seems an odd place to quit |
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| 18:11.12 | kris_ | whats the difference between nv and nvidia? |
| 18:11.26 | sphenxes | abrotman, i will look in the manual |
| 18:11.33 | maligor | nv is a opensource driver with very limited features |
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| 18:11.50 | maligor | nvidia is binary only with a IMMENSE kernel driver.. it's 11MB I think? |
| 18:12.05 | maligor | and a hardlock means a kernel issue |
| 18:12.12 | kris_ | yeah, i didn't know there is an open source nvidia driver |
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| 18:12.39 | kris_ | ok that's a good hint maligor, we could try that |
| 18:12.42 | maligor | kris_, well, on 8 series and later I don't think it does much, not even 2d I think.. could be wrong tho |
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| 18:13.14 | kris_ | ok but then it would be hard for me to use my machine long enough to cause a freeze |
| 18:14.00 | simonrvn | it's still very basic, there's little incentive, and then there's nouveau |
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| 18:14.20 | maligor | simonrvn, I think using nouveau would just cause more possibilities of crash ;P |
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| 18:14.39 | simonrvn | probably ;) |
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| 18:16.43 | maligor | kris_, if you're unable to get it to crash with the nv driver, I'd ask on #nvidia or nvnews.net forums.. |
| 18:16.47 | imaginaryman | Yup going mad. |
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| 18:16.58 | maligor | but always hard to say what's causing weird issues |
| 18:17.07 | imaginaryman | I have never seen anythings so good |
| 18:17.14 | imaginaryman | with such wild documentation |
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| 18:17.32 | kris_ | ok maligor thank you |
| 18:17.39 | simonrvn | /sometimes/ you can get part of the output from the xorg log |
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| 18:18.12 | WaterRatj | why is it when i go into /root and do ls it doesn't show a file, but when i do vi .bashrc, it has stuff into it? |
| 18:18.31 | petemc | try ls -a |
| 18:18.55 | imaginaryman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.27 | WaterRatj | how do i standard make it to show hidden files? |
| 18:19.42 | imaginaryman | haha in your bash rc |
| 18:19.52 | imaginaryman | alias ls="ls -a" |
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| 18:20.05 | stew | WaterRatj: you probably already have an alias for ls in your .bashrc "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" or something add -a to the alias |
| 18:20.24 | imaginaryman | an alias means every time you type the ls |
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| 18:20.31 | imaginaryman | it really type ls -a |
| 18:20.52 | maligor | do note that dot files/directories are used by applications to store settings, they'll accumulate |
| 18:20.58 | WaterRatj | okay I did but still doesn't show |
| 18:21.13 | jordanm | "type ls" will tell you it is an existing alias |
| 18:21.14 | stew | WaterRatj: either execute that alias in your current shell or start a new one |
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| 18:22.14 | WaterRatj | stew: ? Shouldn't it work when I add it to the file? |
| 18:22.25 | sweetpi | WaterRatj: type "source ~/.bashrc" |
| 18:22.50 | WaterRatj | ah oke :D |
| 18:22.53 | stew | WaterRatj: yes, for any new shell |
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| 18:30.15 | WaterRatj | can you include a file in a bash script? |
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| 18:30.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:30.38 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:30.50 | abrotman | jinx, you owe me a coke? |
| 18:30.50 | stew | WaterRatj: ". /path/to/otherfile" |
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| 18:31.05 | stew | hi simon |
| 18:31.13 | WaterRatj | so in ./bashrc i can add that? |
| 18:31.35 | stew | yes |
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| 18:31.42 | phorce1 | , versions acroread |
| 18:31.43 | judd | acroread -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.3.3-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.3.3-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.3.3-0.0 |
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| 18:32.47 | SineDeviance | i got samba working! epic! |
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| 18:34.46 | [reed] | are there currently problems with svn.debian.org? |
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| 18:35.43 | [reed] | # svn co svn://svn.debian.org/kernel/dists/trunk kernel |
| 18:35.44 | [reed] | svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly |
| 18:35.45 | [reed] | :/ |
| 18:35.55 | stew | [reed]: ask #alioth on irc.debian.org |
| 18:35.57 | [reed] | ok |
| 18:35.58 | [reed] | thanks |
| 18:36.27 | amanita_ | reed: yeah all the debian folks now support only the plan-9 operating system |
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| 18:37.18 | jhutchins | ,kernels squeeze |
| 18:37.20 | judd | (kernels [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 18:37.29 | jhutchins | ,kernels --release squeeze |
| 18:37.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18) |
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| 18:41.22 | Kuba | hey |
| 18:41.36 | Kuba | Where can I look for older versions of packages? |
| 18:42.08 | stew | Kuba: http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 18:42.34 | Kuba | stew: Thank You |
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| 18:45.05 | Kuba | Just to be clear: I wanted to install package using aptitude, however encountered a bug at libcups2 an the bug report suggests to install previous version. Should I then go to snapshots.debian.org, download older package and install it by dpkg? |
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| 18:46.30 | jordanm | Kuba: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:46.36 | jordanm | Kuba: and what is the bug #? |
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| 18:47.14 | Kuba | jordanm: testing, #588150 |
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| 18:49.13 | jordanm | Kuba: yes |
| 18:49.49 | Kuba | So now, I should issue `dpkg -i --force-all name.deb`,yeah? |
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| 18:50.31 | stew | Kuba: why do you need to use force? |
| 18:51.15 | Kuba | I suppose there is no logical explanation, just my lack of knowledge and stupid copy/paste technique ;d |
| 18:51.40 | stew | you should never use --force-anything unless you know exactly what you are doing |
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| 18:52.55 | Kuba | stew: That is how I installed my printer's drivers, http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn3.html |
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| 18:53.33 | stew | that's awful |
| 18:54.50 | stew | they should either fix their package or fix their instructions |
| 18:54.51 | Kuba | Ooo, good to know |
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| 18:54.56 | maligor | force-all eh |
| 18:54.57 | maligor | why didn't they just not make any dependencies? |
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| 18:55.32 | maligor | yeah, force-all is a easy way to make a nightmare unless you know what you're doing |
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| 18:56.17 | Kuba | Did I just broke my system then? |
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| 18:56.28 | stew | i just don't know what force options that printer driver would possibly need. force-arch? i'd hope not. force-depends? then how are you going to fix them for the next time you use dpkg? |
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| 18:56.49 | maligor | Kuba, well, it's likely relatively limited to the printing systems |
| 18:57.06 | stew | is it? |
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| 18:58.11 | Kuba | Can I reverse it then? |
| 18:58.11 | Kuba | And try to install without --force-all ? |
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| 18:58.22 | maligor | Kuba, it's incredibly hard to say from here if it caused any issues |
| 18:58.34 | maligor | Kuba, if you uninstall it, it might leave stuff damaged |
| 18:58.35 | emma | hello folks |
| 18:58.36 | emma | are there any Debian packagers here? |
| 18:58.44 | maligor | Kuba, see if it works |
| 18:58.49 | stew | emma: sure |
| 18:58.59 | emma | stew: that's great. |
| 18:59.05 | stew | oh, i guess they only have a 32 bit version, perhaps they did need --force-arch |
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| 18:59.32 | stew | emma: yes, i'm a debian packager |
| 18:59.37 | stew | emma: i'd prefer we speak here |
| 18:59.59 | emma | stew: okay sure |
| 19:00.22 | emma | stew: I hope it isn't a bother but I would like to implore you to help me get a package into Debian if it isn't there. |
| 19:00.41 | abrotman | if? it's pretty easy to check |
| 19:01.03 | stew | emma: is there a wnpp bug filed for it? (perhaps by you?) |
| 19:01.58 | emma | stew: im not too familiar with the Debian websites or bug tracking system, if you link me to the exact page where i should check or file it i will do that. |
| 19:02.05 | stew | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
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| 19:06.15 | imaginaryman | any one know how to check for available alsa drivers? |
| 19:06.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... out of curiosity... can you sync the state of the RAM and hardware to disk like with s2disk on a system that keeps running so you can pull things back up in case of a power failure or X-server crash? |
| 19:06.55 | SineDeviance | awesome. everything is done! |
| 19:06.58 | imaginaryman | cut me think about it |
| 19:07.14 | imaginaryman | what would be the benefit of saving to ram |
| 19:07.16 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: no. |
| 19:07.20 | abrotman | emma: which package are you talking about? |
| 19:07.26 | gnarface | imaginaryman: the alsa website should have a list of sound drivers |
| 19:07.28 | imaginaryman | if you had to wait for a hard drive to sync? |
| 19:07.32 | SineDeviance | i have successfully migrated my server to debian 5 and it all works, installed ssh, and installed lxde and nx server for admin stuff that needs a gui. |
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| 19:07.37 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: not with linux. There are other OSes that attempt persistent storage. |
| 19:07.40 | SineDeviance | not bad for a few hours of work :D |
| 19:07.47 | maligor | SineDeviance, from what? |
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| 19:08.07 | SineDeviance | maligor: i was using crunchbang lite 9.04.1 before. i had disabled gdm and X |
| 19:08.08 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: and restartable processes, and stuff |
| 19:08.08 | imaginaryman | gnarface: I am happy to find out Im not crazy Its loading the wrong driver |
| 19:08.08 | thewanderer1 | how to recover a system using bash and ssh connection? I only have this, no files are present... |
| 19:08.27 | emma | abrotman and stew -- I really hope that this could get a package -- http://racket-lang.org/download/ |
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| 19:08.29 | SineDeviance | i was also using webmin, but i don't need that anymore |
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| 19:09.00 | emma | abrotman stew -- it is a new programming language. A type of Lisp and an implementation of Scheme. It's really wonderful and Debian needs to have it. |
| 19:09.01 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: what do you mean by "no files are present?" |
| 19:09.05 | maligor | SineDeviance, moving to debian is always the right option ;P |
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| 19:09.12 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: as in "rm -rf /*" |
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| 19:09.19 | thewanderer1 | my SSH connection is still alive, though |
| 19:09.20 | SineDeviance | maligor: certainly. and it was EASY! |
| 19:09.25 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you're fucked, reinstall or restore from backup |
| 19:09.33 | SineDeviance | so much easier than i thought it would be |
| 19:09.33 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: crap. remote machine. |
| 19:09.36 | stew | emma: file a RFP bug |
| 19:09.53 | stew | emma: (assuming there isn't already an ITP or RFP bug) |
| 19:09.56 | thewanderer1 | alright |
| 19:09.56 | emma | abrotman stew -- A person named bremner has already made packages for it, so athough I am not presumptious, it might not be something you guys would have to do from scratch |
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| 19:10.08 | thewanderer1 | how do I destroy a mdadmin-created RAID? |
| 19:10.13 | thewanderer1 | I have bash. |
| 19:10.18 | abrotman | emma: bremner is on OFTC most of the time |
| 19:10.30 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: if you had a nice statically linked shell designed for recovery, like sash or busybox, things might be different |
| 19:10.34 | thewanderer1 | can I just echo anything to the kernel? |
| 19:10.36 | stew | emma: he's a good person to ask then |
| 19:10.59 | stew | but don't distract him from fixing gmime, that's more important to me :) |
| 19:11.00 | thewanderer1 | I need to kill an md raid |
| 19:11.33 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: boot from livecd or other rescue image |
| 19:11.37 | emma | stew: is bremner also a Debian packager? |
| 19:11.43 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: there |
| 19:11.47 | stew | did you not say he packaged it? |
| 19:12.17 | emma | stew: sorry I think that in theory i could make a package, that wouldn't make me a "Debian Packager" would it? :P |
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| 19:12.48 | abrotman | emma: where are bremner's packages? |
| 19:12.54 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: sure. the PC is 10km away from me... :P |
| 19:12.55 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: there's stuff in eg. /sys/block/md0/, I don't know how much you can do with those |
| 19:12.58 | thewanderer1 | and no KVM, sadly |
| 19:13.00 | thewanderer1 | hmm |
| 19:13.01 | thewanderer1 | let's see |
| 19:13.06 | stew | emma: where "debian packager" is a term you just made up? |
| 19:13.08 | thewanderer1 | oh, I have no GRUB, silly me... |
| 19:13.14 | emma | abrotman: right here -- http://racket-lang.org/download/ |
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| 19:13.27 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: next time, use server hardware with remote mgt capabilities if you can |
| 19:13.37 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: working on it! :P |
| 19:13.39 | abrotman | emma: the "Debian Stable" option leads to me downloading a .sh file .. is that supposed to be a "Debian Package" ? |
| 19:13.40 | emma | stew: the group of people who are trusted to make a package and stick it into the Debian repo. I"m calling that a "Debian Packager" |
| 19:13.45 | thewanderer1 | hmmm |
| 19:14.06 | thewanderer1 | but I could echo some filesystem to the block device... |
| 19:14.22 | thewanderer1 | only I don't have dd, ssh (only 1 in-memory instance), huh |
| 19:14.26 | abrotman | every linux link there leads to a .sh |
| 19:14.37 | stew | emma: you mean debian developer. if he has a package he'd need to be a debian developer to upload it, or he can find a sponsor to upload it for him, typically by writing to the debian-mentors mailinglist |
| 19:14.42 | emma | abrotman: yeah i see that now. maybe those aren't .debs. i thought they were for some reason. |
| 19:15.38 | emma | abrotman: what do you think those do? just a script that compiles from source? Or a script that pushes binaries into the right places? |
| 19:15.56 | abrotman | I have no idea, I didn't write them, and i'm not going to download and run a .sh from some random site |
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| 19:16.10 | emma | well that's not a random site, but fair enough. |
| 19:16.21 | abrotman | I don't know anything about it, it's random :) |
| 19:16.23 | DDRP | No worse than installing a .deb from a random site |
| 19:16.36 | abrotman | DDRP: what makes you think I do that either? |
| 19:16.41 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: tomorrow's another day |
| 19:16.51 | DDRP | Nothing, I guess |
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| 19:17.00 | thewanderer1 | alright - I need to run a remote system with Debian-Live. How do I make it so that I can set a default root password and enable SSH logins? |
| 19:17.05 | emma | i need to try to make a request for packages |
| 19:17.26 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I use grml for that |
| 19:17.28 | thewanderer1 | I already have the default Debian-Live images - need to add SSH and a root password... |
| 19:17.31 | thewanderer1 | grml? |
| 19:17.35 | abrotman | !tell emma about RFP |
| 19:17.43 | jelly-home | !tell thewanderer1 about grml |
| 19:17.44 | thewanderer1 | I have no control over the client machine whatsoever |
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| 19:18.00 | thewanderer1 | no live CD's... |
| 19:18.18 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: how were you going to do debian-live then |
| 19:18.35 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: netboot |
| 19:18.47 | thewanderer1 | I already have DHCP, PXE and all that crap in place |
| 19:19.04 | jelly-home | !ssh install |
| 19:19.04 | dpkg | somebody said ssh install was http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
| 19:19.11 | thewanderer1 | errr... |
| 19:19.22 | emma | abrotman: if i don't fill this out perfectly is it going to be ignored? |
| 19:19.41 | abrotman | i doubt it, they'll just ask you to correct the issues |
| 19:19.43 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: thanks, but I was installing by hand today... |
| 19:19.49 | abrotman | emma: you won't know til you try .. have fun! |
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| 19:19.53 | stew | emma: has bremmer already filed an ITP? |
| 19:19.55 | thewanderer1 | fdisking, lvm'ing and mdadm'ing all day |
| 19:20.19 | thewanderer1 | well... |
| 19:20.34 | emma | stew: I simply do not know. I think you might know him since you said he's on OFTC ? |
| 19:20.35 | thewanderer1 | I guess I'll build my own image |
| 19:20.47 | emma | stew: All I know about himn is that I thought he was working on making a .deb for it. |
| 19:20.54 | emma | stew: and i could give you his email |
| 19:21.10 | gandhijee | hey, how do i start a network install for debian??? |
| 19:21.15 | SineDeviance | alright... all done |
| 19:21.22 | SineDeviance | well, that was easy. |
| 19:21.23 | gandhijee | do i need some special flags for the installer kernel?? |
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| 19:21.47 | jordanm | emma: if you feel his ITP has been open too long, email him asking him about it. bremner is quite active and I imagine you will get a reponse |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | There is no current RFP/ITP for anything 'racket' in the system that I can see |
| 19:22.07 | emma | jordanm: okay |
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| 19:22.34 | stew | emma: i told you where you can check if there is an RFP or ITP. you should check before filing one |
| 19:22.49 | jhutchins | oookay, looks like squeeze is not usable with an intell 855. |
| 19:23.00 | stew | emma: i'm not going to check, I certainly don't know if he's filed one |
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| 19:23.35 | bluesceada | anyone also has amarok not being able to skip around flac files? |
| 19:23.37 | jordanm | stew: oh, I thought you were saying that there was on filed |
| 19:23.43 | emma | stew: do you mean this -- http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 19:23.48 | stew | yes |
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| 19:24.24 | jhutchins | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:24.25 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny7; sid: 2:2.9.1-4; squeeze: 2:2.9.1-4; experimental: 2:2.12.0-1 |
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| 19:24.45 | SineDeviance | oh crap... there' |
| 19:24.50 | SineDeviance | there's something i forget |
| 19:24.55 | SineDeviance | dynamic DNS updater |
| 19:25.02 | SineDeviance | anyone know a good way to do this in debian? |
| 19:25.25 | thewanderer1 | guys! where is lh_config? |
| 19:25.31 | thewanderer1 | I installed live-helper |
| 19:25.44 | jordanm | ,info dyndns-client |
| 19:25.45 | emma | stew: is this where you would look to find bugs already filed about racket -- http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 19:25.45 | judd | No record of package 'dyndns-client' in lenny/i386. |
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| 19:25.56 | jordanm | SineDeviance: ddclient |
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| 19:26.16 | SineDeviance | jordanm: i will look it up, thanks |
| 19:26.49 | moldovean | thewanderer1, /msg dpkg live |
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| 19:27.04 | stew | emma: only if it was already distributed by debian. you could look there at the "wnpp" pseudo package which is used to track these requests for packages not in debian, but the link I sent you earlier is probably easier |
| 19:27.10 | negge | how do I track the cause of a high "Load average" |
| 19:27.14 | thewanderer1 | crap, pre-built wont work for me |
| 19:27.18 | negge | according to htop my load is 48.xx right now |
| 19:27.25 | negge | although it sounds totally impossible to me |
| 19:27.25 | stew | negge: look for processes in the R and D and Z states |
| 19:27.59 | thewanderer1 | just where is lh_build? |
| 19:28.13 | abrotman | !tell thewanderer1 about apt-file |
| 19:28.17 | moldovean | thewanderer1, better ask in #d-live , they know better |
| 19:28.23 | emma | openssl: Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools, (package info), requested 1769 days ago. |
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| 19:28.40 | emma | stew: that's a package on the page you linked to me. 1769 days? That sounds ominous. |
| 19:28.43 | thewanderer1 | oh, okay |
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| 19:29.12 | thewanderer1 | huh, no channel for Debian Live |
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| 19:29.19 | abrotman | on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:29.23 | stew | thewanderer1: #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 19:29.29 | thewanderer1 | huh, okay |
| 19:29.55 | negge | stew: thanks for the hint, it seems like some damn cron job for "locate" is doing some massive searching |
| 19:30.05 | negge | uninstalling that crap right away... |
| 19:30.15 | stew | negge: that would be 1 of the 48.xx |
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| 19:30.47 | themill | negge: you might also like to look at "mlocate" instead of "locate". /msg dpkg mlocate |
| 19:30.52 | stew | emma: that is an RFH a "request for help". not a "RFP: Request for Packaging" or "ITP: Intent to package" |
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| 19:31.31 | dominicus | Is there a way to limit/restrict the processes listed when a normal user does a "ps -Al"? |
| 19:31.55 | negge | stew: how do you know? |
| 19:32.16 | stew | negge: becuase its only one process |
| 19:32.31 | stew | dominicus: not without kerenel patches |
| 19:32.50 | stew | dominicus: i belive the grsecurity patch will do that |
| 19:34.01 | negge | stew: well the other processes in "S" state are just a bunch of smbd |
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| 19:34.30 | stew | negge: S doesn't contribute to load, D and R do |
| 19:34.49 | thewanderer1 | there's no documentation about the new live-helper but it turns out it's just "lh config" instead of "lh_config" |
| 19:34.51 | negge | stew: sorry I meant "D" |
| 19:34.56 | negge | only "R" process is htop |
| 19:35.12 | dominicus | stew: Thanks for the info. |
| 19:35.17 | gandhijee | hey guys, seriously, does debian no longer support install from NFS??? |
| 19:35.26 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I bet your documentation patch will be welcomed |
| 19:35.53 | stew | negge: D means they are waiting on io to complete. probably becuase you have hard disk(s) which are bottleneck(s) |
| 19:36.03 | Gryflhase | Hi... I habe debian lenny, 32 bit installiert... aber später einen custom kernel mit 64 bit installiert, damit quit'n coll funktioniert hat... Ich habe 4 GB Ram und jetzt die Cheffrage: Kann der Kernel von einer Swap-Parition profitieren ? |
| 19:36.14 | Gryflhase | Oder bringt das gar nix wegen dem 32-bit os ? |
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| 19:36.27 | thewanderer1 | gandhijee: welcome to the club, I'm currently on a machine where I did rm -rf /* and am trying to recover things with only 1 working SSH connection |
| 19:36.39 | thewanderer1 | and I assure you it IS possible to install over NFS ;P |
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| 19:37.06 | gandhijee | thewanderer1: i need to netboot NFS initrd it seems |
| 19:37.16 | stew | Gryflhase: try #debian-de |
| 19:37.24 | gandhijee | i downloaded the netboot.tar.gz file from here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 19:37.33 | djura-san | hello. How to enable svg render in nautilus 2.20? Im using lenny and i cant load svg icons even though i installed librsvg... |
| 19:37.36 | emma | okay cool stew |
| 19:37.40 | Gryflhase | grrr ;) I just forgot to ask in english ;) |
| 19:37.40 | gandhijee | but that image doesn't give me an option to install from NFS, only FTP and HTTP |
| 19:37.56 | emma | stew: i see there is nothing about Racket in RFP's so I"m going to send an email for one. |
| 19:38.31 | gandhijee | thewanderer1: can you tell me where i can get the proper initrd to get access to install via NFS??? my whole pxe env and everything else is already setup |
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| 19:38.55 | thewanderer1 | gandhijee: sure, just not now, I'm gonna die if the SSH connection gets a timeout :P |
| 19:39.01 | SineDeviance | jordanm: ddclient seems to work. thanks! |
| 19:39.07 | imaginaryman | I love building mystery drivers |
| 19:39.08 | Gryflhase | Hi... I've installed debian lenny 32-bit but upgraded to a 64-bit one cause of cool'n quite. I have 4B ram and want to ask, if it makes ANY sense to activate swap, cause of 32 bit lenny |
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| 19:39.17 | seraphim | hi there |
| 19:39.21 | imaginaryman | 3:1 I have no sound |
| 19:39.30 | Gryflhase | gr.. 4GB ram... |
| 19:39.37 | imaginaryman | 4:1 I take out whole os |
| 19:39.37 | jordanm | Gryflhase: always good to have some to avoid a system crash |
| 19:39.41 | imaginaryman | 7:1 this works |
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| 19:40.14 | seraphim | one question, i´ve got an raid 0 hardware setup with two HDDs and may want to try to install debian5 on it, but i dont know where i can find a matching raid driver :( mainboard is gigabyte ma790gpt-ud3h |
| 19:40.39 | Gryflhase | jordanm: Ok, so I guess at least the kernel can make some usage of it, and if it's only to avoid crash ? |
| 19:40.43 | imaginaryman | Step 4. Use the alsamixer the disable mute (All audio line default is mute) |
| 19:40.43 | imaginaryman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.44 | imaginaryman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.51 | thewanderer1 | seraphim: you know it's not real RAID do you? |
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| 19:40.59 | imaginaryman | any guesses |
| 19:41.10 | seraphim | why not thewanderer1? |
| 19:41.35 | thewanderer1 | seraphim: if I'm guessing right (desktop board?), it's just fakeraid - software raid that fools your OS :P |
| 19:41.53 | tabris | seraphim: look for dmraid driver. it's got the best chance. |
| 19:42.03 | thewanderer1 | it is possible to use it with `dmraid` - you might want to boot Debian Live and check if it gets detected |
| 19:42.04 | seraphim | nope not really it´s a chipset on the mainboard |
| 19:42.09 | tabris | seraphim: but booting from RAID0 fakeraid is... hard at best. same with mdraid. |
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| 19:42.36 | dbion | is there a way to drop to copnsole before starting X during startup? |
| 19:42.39 | seraphim | it´s a chipset on the mainboard containing this feature, and it´s no software raid i think |
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| 19:42.41 | dbion | console |
| 19:42.51 | tabris | seraphim: if it presents to the OS _one_ blockdev, then it could be real raid. |
| 19:42.53 | thewanderer1 | seraphim: it's firmware and there is no controller :P |
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| 19:43.00 | tabris | seraphim: but it probably presents two that the OS then muxes |
| 19:43.07 | thewanderer1 | the driver presents one device |
| 19:43.07 | gusto | hi |
| 19:43.08 | tabris | seraphim: thus, it is 'fakeraid' and you need the dmraid driver. |
| 19:43.17 | moldovean | gandhijee, i386. amd64 , lenny ? |
| 19:43.19 | seraphim | hmm |
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| 19:43.27 | gusto | i am running fluxbox as a WM an iceweasel crashes my system on some website |
| 19:43.32 | gandhijee | i386 |
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| 19:43.44 | gusto | it looses all video acceleration and then it freezes |
| 19:43.49 | tabris | seraphim: but, booting from dmraid RAID0 (or anything not RAID1) is, afaik, a crapshoot. |
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| 19:44.02 | gusto | the fact that a browser can crash my system is inacceptable |
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| 19:44.10 | tabris | seraphim: the problem is that the bootloader needs to be able to read it, and it ain't likely o have a driver for it |
| 19:44.16 | negge | stew: I'm gonna need some more help on this one. Load average still averaging 46.00 (I have 4 logical CPUs), CPU usage is low, lots of memory is free, no swapping at all and dstat shows basically no disk activity |
| 19:44.23 | negge | is this a bug or something? |
| 19:44.24 | djura-san | nautilus svg render. Anyone? |
| 19:44.24 | tabris | gusto: yes, plz, sue for the money you paid to the debian project. |
| 19:44.26 | gusto | it is about to crash again |
| 19:44.36 | thewanderer1 | gusto: shut down flash player. |
| 19:44.38 | seraphim | hmm |
| 19:44.45 | gusto | i dont use flash player |
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| 19:44.48 | seraphim | first i should really try the live cd... |
| 19:44.51 | moldovean | gandhijee, lenny? |
| 19:44.54 | gandhijee | so i tried the initrd.gz from here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ but there is still no option for installing from NFS |
| 19:45.00 | gandhijee | umm, i think so. 5.05 |
| 19:45.02 | gusto | i know that that thing crashes often thats why i dont use it |
| 19:45.08 | stew | negge: pastebin the output of "ps aux" somewhere ; and perhaps the output of "vmstat 1 10" |
| 19:45.22 | negge | yeah hold on a sec |
| 19:45.43 | jordanm | Gryflhase: with that much RAM, yes |
| 19:45.45 | moldovean | gandhijee, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 19:46.06 | thewanderer1 | gusto: then you probably have too little RAM in your VM and the website you load contains lots of data that exceed the capacity of the memory |
| 19:46.10 | seraphim | which image do i have to load? which one contains the live cd version? |
| 19:46.11 | gandhijee | moldovean: i already have those images, like i said once in the installer, i only have the option for HTTP and FTP |
| 19:46.17 | gandhijee | there is nothing for NFS |
| 19:46.18 | gusto | thewanderer1: i have 4 GB of ram |
| 19:46.22 | thewanderer1 | seraphim: http://live.debian.net |
| 19:46.28 | thewanderer1 | gusto: in the VM? |
| 19:46.39 | gusto | and 3,3 GB is free |
| 19:46.42 | gusto | in what VM? |
| 19:47.03 | stew | gusto: have you run memtest86? |
| 19:47.21 | thewanderer1 | gusto: oh, I misread WM as VM. |
| 19:47.23 | stew | gusto: it sounds like you likely have a hardware problem |
| 19:47.25 | imaginaryman | gusto: also check the hard drive space if it is fixed |
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| 19:47.34 | gusto | stew: i dont thnik so |
| 19:47.38 | imaginaryman | gusto: I know one time I had a small HD on a VM |
| 19:47.52 | stew | gusto: a video driver problem then? |
| 19:47.54 | thewanderer1 | ^ no VM there, sorry |
| 19:47.54 | imaginaryman | gusto: and flash videos fill up tmp |
| 19:48.08 | thewanderer1 | sounds like video driver |
| 19:48.17 | gandhijee | anyone else have any other ideas on how i can install from an NFS server??? the current images for netboot only have HTTP and FTP as sources, i can not source NFS |
| 19:48.20 | gusto | video driver is more likely |
| 19:48.25 | seraphim | ty thewanderer1 |
| 19:48.40 | gusto | maybe disable MESA? |
| 19:48.55 | negge | stew: wow I found the source |
| 19:49.12 | thewanderer1 | gandhijee: oh come on, set up a mirror or sth, or use apt-cacher-ng... |
| 19:49.15 | negge | deluged going berserk and making the kernel spit out all kinds of stuff in /var/log/messages.4.gz |
| 19:49.22 | negge | well not exactly 4.gz but... |
| 19:49.24 | project2501a | how can i see what is going on (like the alt+f4 screen) during a network console insallation? |
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| 19:49.55 | gandhijee | those were thing i was hoping to avoid, and why rip out the NFS install option? |
| 19:49.58 | moldovean | gandhijee, but why don't put your nfs on an apache ? |
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| 19:50.05 | project2501a | looks like the installation is stuck on parting the hard drives |
| 19:50.09 | dbion | I need to install Nvidia driver(compiling), how can i disable default debian drivers from the terminal? |
| 19:50.13 | dbion | just removing would do it? |
| 19:50.25 | gandhijee | moldovean: because this server is setup as a NFS and PXE server |
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| 19:50.35 | dbion | nouveau drivers |
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| 19:50.44 | gandhijee | and everything is pretty much happy installing via NFS, cept for debian for whatever reason |
| 19:51.19 | bolt | dbion: just set your server to use the nvidia driver in xorg.conf. no need to "disable" or uninstall the others |
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| 19:52.06 | dbion | well i am trying to compile the driver, and nvidia screen says that |
| 19:52.09 | sphenxes | thanks for your help. The problem was to change Bios Advanced Memory Map (enable). Now Debian see my 4 GB memory |
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| 19:52.43 | project2501a | how can i see what is going on (like the alt+f4 screen) during a network console insallation? |
| 19:53.03 | project2501a | i would rrather not take that walk into the data center :( |
| 19:53.05 | amee2k | do cardbus cards show up on lspci? |
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| 19:53.19 | thewanderer1 | gandhijee: boot over NFS using Debian-Live or your own custom setup (I did that once upon a time) and install from "local" (located on the mounted filesystem) files |
| 19:54.32 | amee2k | i have a proxim 8420WD wlan card that i'm trying to get to work. the madwifi atheros driver is installed, ath_pci loaded but pccardctl lists the card as "unbound" no matter what i do |
| 19:54.33 | project2501a | can i tell the network console to restart d-i ? |
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| 19:54.42 | amee2k | any ideas what i could be doing wrong? |
| 19:55.04 | gandhijee | why doesn't some one add to the netboot thing that it doesn't support install via NFS |
| 19:55.24 | abrotman | amee2k: which kernel? madwifi is kind of dead |
| 19:55.38 | dbion | bolt, btw i am not seeing any xorg.conf under /etc/X11/ (sequeeze) |
| 19:56.02 | abrotman | that's nomral |
| 19:56.14 | amee2k | abrotman: debian stable, 2.6.26-2-686, 32 bit system |
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| 19:56.36 | Mikaru | Please help |
| 19:56.46 | stew | Mikaru: i must have missed your question |
| 19:57.05 | Mikaru | I added the sid repositories |
| 19:57.19 | Mikaru | but now, how can I upgrade Debian to KDE4? |
| 19:57.32 | moldovean | !sid |
| 19:57.33 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 19:57.33 | stew | Mikaru: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:57.35 | SineDeviance | what is debian's default web browser again? |
| 19:57.35 | amee2k | iirc the madwifi driver worked when i was running deb3.1 or 4 or so ... then the card kinda went lost until a few days ago. now i want to get it to work because it is the only one with external antenna |
| 19:57.42 | thewanderer1 | Mikaru: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org - and read the instructions there |
| 19:57.46 | amee2k | and i'm stuck at a location with very shitty connection |
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| 19:57.48 | SineDeviance | is it midori? |
| 19:57.48 | bolt | SineDeviance: whichever one you install |
| 19:58.09 | stew | SineDeviance: what do you mean by default? |
| 19:58.13 | SineDeviance | bolt: no, if you do desktop environment install from the CD, there is one. |
| 19:58.13 | amee2k | abrotman: what other driver do i use for it then? |
| 19:58.18 | Mikaru | stew Lenny |
| 19:58.27 | SineDeviance | stew: i mean the default browser. srsly. |
| 19:58.28 | bolt | SineDeviance: probably iceweasel? |
| 19:58.38 | stew | SineDeviance: none |
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| 19:58.40 | abrotman | amee2k: some of them use ath5k and ath9k .. |
| 19:58.47 | SineDeviance | bolt: nah, it's not iceweasel. iceweasel is installed, but it's not the default |
| 19:58.53 | SineDeviance | stew: yes, there is. |
| 19:58.53 | moldovean | epiphany-browser |
| 19:59.02 | SineDeviance | moldovean: thats the one. thank you. |
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| 19:59.24 | dbion | can I drop to terminal before x starts ? |
| 19:59.35 | stew | SineDeviance: readlink -f $(which x-www-browser) will tell you which one is currently the default browser on your system |
| 19:59.42 | stew | SineDeviance: but that depends on what packages you installed |
| 19:59.51 | amee2k | abrotman: i tried unloading ath_pci and loading ath5k instead (which seems that i installed with something else at some point) but it didn't pick up the card either. still lists as "unbound" |
| 19:59.52 | dbion | i just want to start debian without x |
| 19:59.54 | thewanderer1 | guys, if I do `echo 00000000 >/dev/sda`, do I kill its ability to boot? |
| 19:59.55 | bolt | dbion: just do ctrl+alt+f1 after x starts... if it doesn't start, you're already in the terminal |
| 20:00.02 | SineDeviance | stew: currently my system has no gui browser. i just wanted to know what the default one for debian was. but it's epiphany. |
| 20:00.09 | gnarface | thewanderer1: lol you kill it's everything |
| 20:00.14 | stew | SineDeviance: that's not the default browser for debian. debian doesn't have one |
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| 20:00.20 | dbion | bolt yes I know, i just want to do it before anything starts |
| 20:00.24 | SineDeviance | stew: it is on regular desktop installs. |
| 20:00.26 | moldovean | xterm ? |
| 20:00.32 | bolt | dbion: do what? |
| 20:00.44 | dbion | install nvidia driver |
| 20:00.45 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no, seriously, I need to be sure GRUB doesn't boot - otherwise I found myself a little trip to the server room |
| 20:00.51 | stew | SineDeviance: on a gnome desktop install it will probably be epiphany, perhaps not if you also install icewesasel. on a kde-desktop install it would be konqueror |
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| 20:01.01 | themill | SineDeviance: s/desktop/gnome desktop using tasksel/, perhaps. |
| 20:01.07 | gusto | ok |
| 20:01.07 | dbion | frigging nvidia messed up my install and cannto get any screen now |
| 20:01.08 | stew | Mikaru: if you are running lenny you should remove the sid sources, those are not for lenny |
| 20:01.10 | dbion | i have black screen |
| 20:01.14 | gusto | we have it |
| 20:01.14 | bolt | dbion: it's fine. just install it while stuff is running. no problem |
| 20:01.22 | gusto | it was not the browser |
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| 20:01.25 | SineDeviance | stew: on a gnome install, epiphany and iceweasel are both installed. epiphany is set to default. |
| 20:01.27 | thewanderer1 | if GRUB loads and hangs at "GRUB GRUB GRUB" or anything, I'm screwed |
| 20:01.31 | dbion | i cannot login, i do not evenm have a login screen |
| 20:01.36 | gusto | it was the radeon driver that crashed the system |
| 20:01.37 | amee2k | whats the difference between the ath5k and ath9k drivers? |
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| 20:01.41 | bolt | dbion: and ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing? |
| 20:01.47 | amee2k | are they different versions of the same driver, or for different devices? |
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| 20:01.49 | gusto | i tried it w/o MESA and that DID NOT help |
| 20:01.53 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i'm sure there's a way to blank the MBR sortof like you're trying. the trick is to make sure you use the right byte count |
| 20:01.58 | dbion | bolt, after grub screen i get nothing |
| 20:02.01 | gusto | but on FBDEV video device it works fine!!! |
| 20:02.01 | SineDeviance | stew: i just installed debian on my desktop a week ago and remember this. i just couldnt remember the name of that browser :D |
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| 20:02.16 | dbion | after nvidia tried to disable nouveau drivers |
| 20:02.19 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: ah ok. I'm just in bash running in RAM and I just did `rm -rf /*` so you see - not even a DD for me... |
| 20:02.27 | bolt | dbion: there's supposed to be a whole lot of stuff between the grub screen and x. you have a more serious problem than graphics drivers, i think |
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| 20:02.40 | gandhijee | well is there a reason the NFS install option was removed? |
| 20:02.46 | stew | SineDeviance: ahh, yeah, look slike currently epiphany is priority 85 and iceweasel is priority 70, konqueror is priority 100, see update-alternatives |
| 20:02.52 | gnarface | thewanderer1: alias rm='rm -i' next time |
| 20:03.11 | SineDeviance | hey btw guys |
| 20:03.14 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no no, it was on purpose, but I thought that running this in chroot wouldn't kill my host system |
| 20:03.15 | dbion | bolt, i get bunch of sttuff |
| 20:03.20 | SineDeviance | if i got samba working fine, i can remove nfs, correct? |
| 20:03.22 | thewanderer1 | which it did! |
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| 20:03.27 | dbion | it goes black after "gdm3" |
| 20:03.36 | dbion | so i am sure x server config is messed up |
| 20:03.45 | dbion | but how do i get there no idea |
| 20:03.52 | gnarface | dbion: ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 20:04.10 | dbion | i am not getting anythin |
| 20:04.34 | bolt | *might* have managed to hard-lock the thing |
| 20:04.39 | bolt | try starting in single mode |
| 20:04.46 | Mikaru | Please someone answer me... how can i install KDE4 on Debian Lenny_ |
| 20:04.48 | Mikaru | *? |
| 20:04.57 | gnarface | dbion: did you have the console framebuffer driver loaded? the nvidia binary drivers don't play nice with the framebuffer driver |
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| 20:05.04 | thewanderer1 | Mikaru: I already have answered you |
| 20:05.12 | amee2k | do cardbus cards show up on lspci? |
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| 20:05.24 | Mikaru | huh? |
| 20:05.26 | dbion | i did not do anythiong. nvidia driver screen said it will try to disable nouveau driver by modifying modprobe or somethign smilar |
| 20:05.28 | thewanderer1 | Mikaru: it's all in there really... and on Lenny, you can't |
| 20:05.30 | dbion | do not remember the message |
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| 20:06.13 | Mikaru | Aw thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 20:06.21 | moldovean | !kde4 |
| 20:06.21 | dpkg | KDE 4 is the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze, ask me about <install kde4>. See also <kde squeeze>. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:06.33 | moldovean | Mikaru, ^^ |
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| 20:06.46 | thewanderer1 | how to reboot a server using only bash? |
| 20:06.57 | thewanderer1 | I have no userland O.o |
| 20:07.05 | gnarface | ctrl-alt-delete? shutdown -r now? push the reset button? |
| 20:07.08 | thewanderer1 | er no |
| 20:07.26 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no keyboard, no reset button (remote); and `shutdown` is a command. |
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| 20:07.33 | thewanderer1 | I only have bash built-ins |
| 20:07.35 | dbion | reboot? |
| 20:07.38 | thewanderer1 | er |
| 20:07.40 | thewanderer1 | command. |
| 20:07.45 | gnarface | hosed |
| 20:08.01 | thewanderer1 | I need sth like "echo 1 >/proc/kill/me/now" |
| 20:08.27 | gnarface | that would be a neat trick |
| 20:08.31 | thewanderer1 | well... |
| 20:08.39 | thewanderer1 | let's see - Magic SysRq? |
| 20:08.50 | gnarface | that might work unless you compiled it out |
| 20:08.59 | thewanderer1 | using stock kernels :) |
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| 20:09.08 | project2501a | how can i see what is going on (like the alt+f4 screen) during a network console installation? |
| 20:09.16 | project2501a | and can i reset d-i ? |
| 20:09.26 | gnarface | i can never remember if it's R E S U I D or what |
| 20:09.39 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: for me, it will be 'B' today |
| 20:09.43 | thewanderer1 | with extra sauce. |
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| 20:10.04 | moldovean | init 6 |
| 20:10.10 | thewanderer1 | moldovean: init is a command |
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| 20:10.17 | thewanderer1 | I have no commands ;P |
| 20:10.18 | moldovean | and |
| 20:10.21 | moldovean | ? |
| 20:10.24 | thewanderer1 | only bash built-ins |
| 20:10.24 | gnarface | moldovean: he rm -rf / |
| 20:10.29 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
| 20:10.34 | moldovean | heh |
| 20:10.43 | thewanderer1 | who woulda guessed that rm -rf in chroot also destroys my server ;P |
| 20:10.59 | gnarface | i think you delete the dev nodes in the chroot you delete them on the parent system too |
| 20:11.09 | thewanderer1 | er, but they're only dev nodes... |
| 20:11.20 | gnarface | weird then. shouldn't have killed it |
| 20:11.41 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I just exitted, issued `ls` to see my surroundings and w00t |
| 20:11.49 | gnarface | you sure you're not still in the chroot? |
| 20:11.55 | gnarface | try ctrl-d? |
| 20:11.57 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 20:12.00 | thewanderer1 | no hell no |
| 20:12.06 | thewanderer1 | it's my only SSH connection |
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| 20:12.21 | gnarface | well i assume you tried opening a second ssh connection? |
| 20:12.23 | thewanderer1 | if I exit it, there's no way I can connect again.. I also have to press keys to keep the TCP timeout away :P |
| 20:12.26 | gnarface | to the parent system? |
| 20:12.27 | thewanderer1 | well yeah |
| 20:12.33 | gnarface | weird |
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| 20:12.36 | thewanderer1 | Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer |
| 20:12.45 | thewanderer1 | there are no files on the parent system, so you figure it out |
| 20:12.54 | thewanderer1 | just /sys, /proc and /lib |
| 20:13.03 | thewanderer1 | they somehow survived rm |
| 20:13.17 | sweetpi | thewanderer1: "echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger" should force a reboot(no guarantee) |
| 20:13.22 | thewanderer1 | er ok |
| 20:13.50 | thewanderer1 | I'll check this when I have the netboot rescue system in place |
| 20:14.13 | dbion | thewanderer1, thanks for your help i am down to rescue mode and trying your suggestions |
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| 20:15.13 | thewanderer1 | "rescue mode" yeah - that's what my servers need :P |
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| 20:15.51 | jhutchins_lt2 | Looks like squeeze is out of the question until they resolve the intel 855 graphics drivers. |
| 20:15.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | It's wierd that this chipset which has worked so well for so long would suddenly have so much trouble. |
| 20:15.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | I had problems with it on Mandriva too, but different problems. |
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| 20:16.24 | imaginaryman | how do i unload a module? |
| 20:16.29 | thewanderer1 | rmmod |
| 20:16.41 | gandhijee | i don't care about preseed |
| 20:17.50 | thewanderer1 | oh, on i915 I'm getting 7-second lockups whenever I switch to X (not from X) and it's been so on this hardware since I remember (Squeeze :P ) |
| 20:17.50 | gandhijee | and the whole idea of having to use apt-mirror is retarded, i already have the 1st dvd, which is all i apparently need to get a basic system working |
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| 20:19.02 | imaginaryman | if I am removing an alsa sound driver |
| 20:19.15 | imaginaryman | how do I shut it down properly? |
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| 20:20.11 | gnarface | imaginaryman: removing the driver pretty much shuts it down.... but if any programs are still using the device it won't let you remove the driver |
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| 20:21.00 | imaginaryman | gnarface: ok so just kill anything using it |
| 20:21.03 | imaginaryman | thanks |
| 20:21.30 | imaginaryman | gnarface: is there a way to see what is using the module? just for future reference |
| 20:21.31 | gnarface | imaginaryman: don't forget that your window manager may use it too if you've got sound effects turned on - that can be annoying |
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| 20:21.56 | imaginaryman | gnarface: ha thanks but im bare bones on the guis |
| 20:21.57 | gnarface | imaginaryman: well, i know that if you run lsmod it will show the count of processes using each module. |
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| 20:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | imaginaryman, fuser -k /dev/<yoursounddevice> (/dev/snd/* or /dev/dsp) kills it |
| 20:22.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | (fuser without -k shows you the PIDs |
| 20:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ) |
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| 20:23.06 | imaginaryman | o fuser i always forget about that one |
| 20:23.14 | imaginaryman | thats a fun one |
| 20:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm talking to imainary people... |
| 20:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheesh |
| 20:23.28 | imaginaryman | hehe |
| 20:23.37 | project2501a | how can i see what is going on (like the alt+f4 screen) during a network console installation? |
| 20:23.48 | project2501a | ( just say "you can't" :P ) |
| 20:24.17 | Justin | project2501a: network console? |
| 20:24.23 | Justin | do you mean ssh? |
| 20:24.26 | Justin | or netconsole? |
| 20:24.33 | project2501a | netconsole, over ssh |
| 20:24.56 | Justin | netconsole and ssh are two diffrent things |
| 20:24.59 | Justin | if it's ssh just login again |
| 20:25.21 | project2501a | it's netconsole. the d-i menu about an install over ssh |
| 20:25.37 | Justin | no, that's ssh, netconsole is something completely different |
| 20:25.56 | project2501a | please educate me |
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| 20:26.08 | Justin | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt |
| 20:26.26 | Justin | netconsole is one-way anyway :) |
| 20:26.43 | Justin | oh wait, no it's not... it just is often only used one-way |
| 20:27.13 | project2501a | *nod*.ok, netconsole is not what i am looking for. |
| 20:27.21 | Justin | no, all you need to do is login again |
| 20:27.27 | project2501a | i did |
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| 20:27.44 | Justin | you get the menu again? |
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| 20:27.55 | project2501a | yes, got the menu. i hit enter on "partition disks" and it is perpetually stuck at 52% |
| 20:28.17 | Justin | i dunno if the menu has 'view logs' but you can start a shell and tail them manually or run dmesg |
| 20:28.29 | project2501a | the "detecting disks" part |
| 20:28.30 | project2501a | i did |
| 20:28.36 | project2501a | nothing useful comes on :| |
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| 20:28.42 | project2501a | (that i would recon) |
| 20:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it have dmesg? |
| 20:29.14 | project2501a | yeah. |
| 20:29.26 | project2501a | netinstall always has dmesg |
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| 20:29.53 | Justin | what about if you run ps? what processes are running? |
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| 20:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hah, got called out of the room after asking... thanks |
| 20:30.23 | project2501a | Justin: let me get a pastebin |
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| 20:31.17 | project2501a | Justin: http://pastebin.com/VXbDMzGH |
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| 20:32.19 | gandhijee | is there an easy way to serve the CD via HTTP to install??? i installed the http server and have it serving the DVD over HTTP, but the net installer say the mirror doesn't have a valid release file |
| 20:32.24 | gandhijee | how can i fix this? |
| 20:32.52 | project2501a | Release.gz ? |
| 20:34.08 | thewanderer1 | guys, do I need anything more besides `apt-get install openssh-server` to bring up SSH on a host? |
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| 20:34.20 | project2501a | thewanderer1: no. |
| 20:34.21 | dbion | is it normal; to have a file called xorg.conf.new in "/" ? |
| 20:34.21 | jordanm | !tell thewanderer1 about why aptitude |
| 20:34.23 | jordanm | thewanderer1: no |
| 20:34.29 | dondelelcaro | dbion: no |
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| 20:34.32 | project2501a | dbatbold: no |
| 20:34.40 | thewanderer1 | I just can't seem to be able to connect to SSH |
| 20:34.46 | project2501a | nmap your host |
| 20:34.48 | jordanm | I believe xorg.conf.new is what X -configure generates, but typically in ~/ |
| 20:34.51 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: all closed |
| 20:34.59 | dbion | thanks, no idea where the heck it came from |
| 20:34.59 | project2501a | thewanderer1: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 20:35.06 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: it's remote... |
| 20:35.07 | project2501a | ps auxww | grep -i ss[h] |
| 20:35.09 | project2501a | oh |
| 20:35.19 | project2501a | hope you got BMC |
| 20:35.25 | thewanderer1 | haha, I wish! |
| 20:35.30 | project2501a | or a pair of hands. |
| 20:35.52 | thewanderer1 | right, and legs... |
| 20:36.17 | project2501a | i mean remote pair of hands, dummy :P |
| 20:36.33 | thewanderer1 | alright, I have a network host which mounted its root filesystem from SquashFS over NFS... |
| 20:36.41 | thewanderer1 | anything I can do to break it and reboot the machine? |
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| 20:36.53 | jordanm | thewanderer1: ssh will not function properly if your permissions are borked |
| 20:36.54 | thewanderer1 | I have access to the host system's NFS |
| 20:37.00 | project2501a | if you got APC bars, you can bounce the machine. |
| 20:37.19 | dbion | where is the xorg.conf in sequeeze? |
| 20:37.29 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: oh, permissions. wait, what? I only did apt-get install openssh-server... |
| 20:37.37 | jordanm | dbion: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* |
| 20:37.43 | thewanderer1 | then I booted the image in hope OpenSSH would start |
| 20:37.58 | dbion | jordanm thanks |
| 20:38.02 | project2501a | booted the image? |
| 20:38.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 20:38.07 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I don't have much NFS experience, but perhaps the permissions ended up unexpected |
| 20:38.08 | project2501a | did you try it localy in a vm, first? |
| 20:38.32 | thewanderer1 | no, no means of doing so temporarily |
| 20:38.52 | project2501a | is this a live image? |
| 20:39.00 | project2501a | or your own image? |
| 20:39.06 | project2501a | which you added openssh-server? |
| 20:39.10 | wildc4rd | evenin' |
| 20:39.10 | thewanderer1 | live image, made with live-helper |
| 20:39.15 | dbion | bizarre , Xorg -configure creates the file in "/" in rescue mode |
| 20:39.41 | thewanderer1 | just built it with interactive option (chroot) and installed openssh-server inside |
| 20:39.59 | stew | dbion: where would you expect? |
| 20:39.59 | jordanm | dbion: xorg.conf should be uneeded in squeeze |
| 20:40.05 | jordanm | stew: ~/ |
| 20:40.14 | stew | jordanm: but there are no users |
| 20:40.17 | stew | so where is ~ |
| 20:40.17 | gandhijee | how can i fix the error about bad mirror?? |
| 20:40.31 | jordanm | stew: there is a single user, UID 0 |
| 20:40.33 | dbion | sstew, i do not know where I would expect. i am under rescue mode to find out why my x is not starting |
| 20:40.37 | thewanderer1 | hey, is there any file that I could possibly manipulate on the target FS to make it reboot? |
| 20:40.54 | thewanderer1 | as in, no in-memory files, only disk-based |
| 20:41.09 | thewanderer1 | I don't know if that is possible with squashfs and aufs overlay |
| 20:41.31 | project2501a | not that i know of |
| 20:41.34 | gandhijee | thewanderer1: /proc/acpi/state |
| 20:41.34 | project2501a | hm |
| 20:41.54 | gandhijee | you should be able to issue a soft-reboot through that |
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| 20:41.57 | tharkun | Where can i find the config file for the stock debian kernel ? |
| 20:42.01 | project2501a | you could shove a "reboot command" in root's crontab |
| 20:42.03 | khem_ | anybody here know how well Debian would work on a Macbook 7.1? |
| 20:42.20 | project2501a | what is a macbook 7.1? |
| 20:42.36 | thewanderer1 | gandhijee: well, it would be fine if I could access the target OS directly - right now I'm more limited to replacing SquashFS before it notices |
| 20:42.45 | gandhijee | O |
| 20:43.02 | gandhijee | i offically hate the debian installer |
| 20:43.13 | tharkun | thewanderer1: any working magic keys? Might be your solution |
| 20:43.18 | jordanm | khem_: check http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 20:43.24 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: yeah. 10km away... |
| 20:43.30 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 20:43.40 | khem_ | jordanm: oh, that site still up and running? :D used that maybe 10 years ago hehe |
| 20:43.41 | thewanderer1 | I basically need a way to reboot a remote machine :P |
| 20:44.03 | project2501a | um do you have anybody in the datacenter there? |
| 20:44.07 | thewanderer1 | er no |
| 20:44.18 | thewanderer1 | otherwise I wouldn't be asking :P |
| 20:44.31 | tharkun | thewanderer1: does the reboot comand as root work? |
| 20:44.47 | project2501a | he can't log in |
| 20:44.58 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: I don't have anywhere to type that, I am on another machine within the network... |
| 20:45.07 | dbion | how can i disable nouveau driver without boking my system? I need to compile - install the Nvidia driver |
| 20:45.08 | project2501a | something is wrong with his ssh conf |
| 20:45.15 | thewanderer1 | probably |
| 20:45.16 | dbion | borking |
| 20:45.18 | thewanderer1 | well... |
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| 20:45.34 | thewanderer1 | if I write random crap to the squashfs, will the remote kernel panic and reboot? |
| 20:45.41 | thewanderer1 | does a kernel panic reboot the machine? |
| 20:45.44 | tharkun | thewanderer1: If you can't access the client nor the host, i believe you are screwed |
| 20:46.13 | thewanderer1 | the setup is like this: the client is a netbooted Debian-Live over NFS/SquashFS |
| 20:46.20 | jordanm | thewanderer1: from my experience, it halts on panic |
| 20:46.41 | project2501a | kernel panics always halt |
| 20:46.48 | thewanderer1 | so I believe I should be able to perform lots of tricks and hacks, like desyncing storage, in order to break it, but need it to reboot afterwards |
| 20:46.51 | project2501a | (by default, unless configured otherwise) |
| 20:46.51 | Justin | thewanderer1: easy, make a file in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 20:47.03 | project2501a | i suggested that first :P |
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| 20:47.22 | tharkun | thewanderer1: disable the swap, fill ram with whatever you want and there you have a kernel panic |
| 20:47.46 | Justin | if he can disable swap that implies that he can run a command and if he could run a command he would just reboot |
| 20:47.49 | thewanderer1 | there is no swap, but I see no obvious way to fill the RAM |
| 20:47.51 | project2501a | .. and you lose the ability to reboot via cron :P |
| 20:47.55 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 20:48.08 | Justin | thewanderer1: you can't write to /etc/cron.d ? |
| 20:48.15 | thewanderer1 | I guess I should be able to |
| 20:48.19 | thewanderer1 | how will cron read that? |
| 20:48.26 | Justin | because that is what cron does |
| 20:48.26 | tharkun | thewanderer1: try a memory leak. a big memory leak |
| 20:48.30 | project2501a | very easily |
| 20:48.36 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: remotely this is really hard |
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| 20:48.44 | thewanderer1 | I'm hacking into my own machine, lol |
| 20:48.51 | project2501a | edit /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 20:48.52 | project2501a | edit /var/spool/cron/crontab |
| 20:48.57 | thewanderer1 | hmm... |
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| 20:49.16 | Justin | no, just put a file in /etc/cron.d |
| 20:49.18 | thewanderer1 | I'm not yet sure if Linux isn't caching the block data in its memory |
| 20:49.23 | project2501a | put "reboot" into the crontab of root. make sure you space it apart FAR ENOUGH |
| 20:49.26 | thewanderer1 | I need to rebuild the whole image, hold on :P |
| 20:49.27 | project2501a | elsewise |
| 20:49.33 | project2501a | you'll reboot every minute |
| 20:49.33 | thewanderer1 | er |
| 20:49.39 | thewanderer1 | no worry... |
| 20:49.52 | ironmux | HI guys :) .. nice to ask you again *_* .. is it possible to use "apt-get" for a local .deb package (to resolve all dependencies and needed packages) .. "dpkg -i .." doesn't seem to do it ... - Thanks a lot for any hints ! :) |
| 20:49.53 | thewanderer1 | rebooting every minute is perfectly fine here |
| 20:50.01 | stew | if you could reboot by editing crontabs as root, why couldn't you just "reboot"? |
| 20:50.02 | Justin | why would it reboot every minute? you can give it a relatively absolute day |
| 20:50.19 | project2501a | dpkg: tell ironmux about dpkg |
| 20:50.28 | Justin | stew: because he says he has root on nfs and he can edit files on the file server |
| 20:50.34 | thewanderer1 | stew: the thing is, I don't know if I can edit the files |
| 20:50.45 | project2501a | ... |
| 20:50.46 | project2501a | dude |
| 20:50.47 | thewanderer1 | the root is on squashfs and all I can do is hope Linux doesn't cache that in its RAM |
| 20:50.49 | project2501a | ballbreaker |
| 20:51.01 | project2501a | try it! |
| 20:51.06 | thewanderer1 | well what? :P |
| 20:51.12 | project2501a | TRY IT |
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| 20:51.23 | thewanderer1 | ah right... |
| 20:51.26 | tharkun | thinks walking 10 Km is by far a simpler solution |
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| 20:51.46 | thewanderer1 | yes, but it's the night already :P |
| 20:52.10 | project2501a | christ, i got to go over to the data center myself :| |
| 20:52.17 | tharkun | then sleep, and wake up early tomorrow morning :) |
| 20:52.55 | project2501a | i got to get this installation going now, because i got to sync 100TB on that server :| |
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| 20:53.52 | manouch | hello... i'm trying to archive some files having a "g" in the filename |
| 20:54.00 | dutchfish | hi, since a day or so, i cant import no more keys with gnupg, it errors out with gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/wil/.gnupg/gpg.conf' | gpg: keyserver communications error: general error | gnupg 1.4.10, debian squeeze x86_64, any help welcome. |
| 20:54.01 | manouch | tar cfz bigpics.tar.gz *g*.* <--- that does not cover everything |
| 20:54.05 | manouch | where is the problem? |
| 20:54.20 | stew | manouch: do they have to have a . in the name too? |
| 20:54.41 | jordanm | dutchfish: what are the perms on ~/.gnupg and that file? |
| 20:54.46 | project2501a | hey stew |
| 20:55.03 | tharkun | manouch: what format are you using to compress your pictures? |
| 20:55.05 | lasjsdfs | Does have any problem with intel 82567lm-3 gigabit in netinst cd ? i can't use this ethernet with netinst |
| 20:55.16 | jordanm | dutchfish: it should be 700 and 600, both owned by your user |
| 20:55.26 | dutchfish | jordanm: -rw----- and the .gnupg dir drwx----- |
| 20:55.43 | beardy | manouch: Is that the actual command? tar needs "f" last in the list of that kind of options. |
| 20:55.46 | dutchfish | jordanm: owned by that user yes |
| 20:55.49 | jordanm | dutchfish: that sounds right, and ownership? |
| 20:55.55 | beardy | manouch: Immediately before the filename. |
| 20:56.06 | dutchfish | jordanm: i my case wil:wil wich is correct |
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| 20:56.39 | dutchfish | jordanm: this happens on all my squeeze installs |
| 20:56.47 | jordanm | dutchfish: I wouldn't think it would be an issue, but what about ~/ iteself? |
| 20:57.04 | stew | beardy: actually it doesn't |
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| 20:57.29 | dutchfish | jordanm: drwxr-xr-x 147 wil wil 20480 Aug 11 22:56 wil |
| 20:57.40 | manouch | stew: yes i'm having a "." too... |
| 20:58.06 | stew | manouch: so if they don't include a . in the filename, you don't want to include them, right? |
| 20:58.09 | manouch | beardy: that's not right... the order doesn't matter |
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| 20:58.33 | stew | manouch: see if "echo *g*.*" lists the files you expect. if not, tell us one that it omits |
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| 20:58.45 | dutchfish | jordanm: i have a hunch gnupg is broken atm, i can reproduce this on a fresh install |
| 20:58.49 | jordanm | dutchfish: well, it sounds like a grave functionality bug, but I have not had that issue on any of my squeeze boxes |
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| 20:59.22 | dutchfish | jordanm: repeating it in lenny works fine |
| 21:00.03 | beardy | Ok. Apparently I was wrong yes.. |
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| 21:00.17 | manouch | stew: echo *g*.* shows everything i want |
| 21:00.24 | manouch | stew: but tar cvfz bigpics.tar.gz *g*.* just stays empty |
| 21:00.30 | manouch | there is actually no file included |
| 21:00.35 | dutchfish | jordanm: as an example gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv [somekey] && gpg --export --armor [some key] | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:00.50 | stew | beardy: (i was suprised to prove you wrong :) ) |
| 21:01.06 | beardy | stew: :) Good to see you again. |
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| 21:01.34 | jordanm | dutchfish: I just tested: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys foo on my squeeze machine and it worked fine. are all of those commands broken for you |
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| 21:01.51 | dutchfish | jordanm: yes |
| 21:02.24 | dutchfish | jordanm: anything related to adding, removing keys but not listing them |
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| 21:02.46 | dutchfish | jordanm: its hairpulling |
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| 21:03.12 | Jork | Hello Guys. I am new in Debian and I use 5.0.5 stable release. I want to update to latest versions of software. How can I do that? Thnx |
| 21:03.30 | iron84 | who use noip2 on pc? |
| 21:03.48 | stew | Jork: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 21:04.50 | dutchfish | jordanm: ok, i will delve into it further, ill report back if i have more |
| 21:05.10 | Jork | stew: Will this update to latest versions of apps? |
| 21:05.33 | jhutchins | Jork: Yes. |
| 21:05.47 | stew | Jork: it will upgrade the currently installed software to the lastest which has been added to debian stable |
| 21:05.49 | manouch | stew: apparently the tarfile doesn't like to be created in the same directory |
| 21:05.50 | Jork | thnx guys |
| 21:05.55 | manouch | stew: thank you for your help |
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| 21:07.14 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like squeeze is out of the question until they resolve the intel 855 graphics drivers. |
| 21:07.16 | jhutchins_lt | It's wierd that this chipset which has worked so well for so long would suddenly have so much trouble. |
| 21:07.18 | jhutchins_lt | I had problems with it on Mandriva too, but different problems. |
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| 21:07.56 | dutchfish | jordanm: i think this is it/or related http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585123 |
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| 21:11.14 | beardy | manouch: I did a little test with a couple of files with a "g" and a ".".. shouldn't be a problem, worked here. But perhaps if there are very many files it splits up the list of files, and re-reads it, from a certain point, and then reads the tarball itself, and dislikes it.. only guessplanation I can come up with. |
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| 21:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. No sound, yet I'm sure I got KDE startup when I rebooted out of squeeze... |
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| 21:14.26 | thewanderer1 | err, I just broke Debian remotely by trashing its SquashFS |
| 21:14.29 | thewanderer1 | I think... |
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| 21:15.04 | s5s | Hey my video card driver only works with kernels up to 2.6.26 I think and certainly not >2.6.30. I want to use squeeze. Is it a good idea to install manually an older kernel? |
| 21:15.06 | thewanderer1 | is there any chance it will reboot from a kernel panic? |
| 21:15.24 | thewanderer1 | or can I reboot a panicked machine remotely? |
| 21:16.35 | beardy | s5s: I wouldn't call it a good idea, but if it works for you, it might be called a good idea for _you_, this time. |
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| 21:17.26 | beardy | s5s: Be aware of possible security fixes you'd be without. Try it. |
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| 21:18.15 | s5s | beardy: hmmm Anyone know how to compile agains kernel headers? I tried make -C <source_code_with_make_file> KDIR=<unpacked_headers> and it complained about broken links to /usr/src/ |
| 21:19.56 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
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| 21:20.02 | SineDeviance | something has gone wrong with this new server |
| 21:20.12 | SineDeviance | the boot process locks up at 'activating swap...' |
| 21:20.35 | SineDeviance | er... nvm |
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| 21:20.40 | SineDeviance | it's working now D: |
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| 21:21.19 | beardy | SineDeviance: A problem of bad patience? |
| 21:21.35 | SineDeviance | beardy: nah, i tried it a few times and let it sit for ten or so minutes each. |
| 21:21.42 | eviltoaster | Can someone help me understand why i cant get this working in debian squeeze when it worked in ubuntu 10.10. php and user www-data --> exec('bash -c "DISPLAY=:0.0 sudo -u eviltoaster vlc --fullscreen /home/eviltoaster/Downloads/'.$_GET['file'].'"') |
| 21:21.44 | SineDeviance | it seemed to be because my ethernet cable wasnt plugged in |
| 21:21.59 | SineDeviance | plugged it in properly and now it works fine !? |
| 21:22.54 | beardy | SineDeviance: It was waiting for a dhcp lease then. But I thought that was not the case since quite a while, since new init stuff.. which version of Debian? |
| 21:23.20 | SineDeviance | beardy: lenny. and i have it setup for static ip, not dhcp |
| 21:23.24 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. The program clamav dont have a option to heal files? |
| 21:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | The problem with so many progress reports and logs is that they don't show what's wrong, they show what happend just _before_ something went wrong. |
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| 21:23.48 | thewanderer1 | EduardeCalibal: you don't "heal" files. If a file is malware, it is necessary to get rid of it, period. |
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| 21:24.30 | EduardeCalibal | I have AVG and clamav, I try use only the clamav but to heal I need use AVG... |
| 21:24.32 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
| 21:25.07 | SineDeviance | well... all is good now. i guess i'm finished for now |
| 21:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: On the other hand, some malware attaches itself to legitmate files such as binaries and can, in fact, be removed from the file. |
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| 21:25.59 | EduardeCalibal | Is easy, only remove the code from the virus in the file, with a map, and ok, all ok the AVG do it... Someone know a better antivirus to Linux? |
| 21:26.03 | thewanderer1 | oh yes. so in this case, no, ClamAV doesn't heal files :P |
| 21:26.10 | EduardeCalibal | To bad... |
| 21:26.12 | jhutchins_lt | EduardeCalibal: That has been my experience as well, clam will remove some problems but will not remove all. |
| 21:26.30 | jhutchins_lt | EduardeCalibal: Obviously AVG. |
| 21:26.30 | EduardeCalibal | With time... Maybe. |
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| 21:26.59 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, thanks. |
| 21:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | EduardeCalibal: That's what I run on my server that serves windows PC's. |
| 21:27.52 | jhutchins_lt | EduardeCalibal: You do know it's available for Linux, right? |
| 21:27.59 | EduardeCalibal | Yes... |
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| 21:28.02 | jhutchins_lt | EduardeCalibal: It's also ranked among the best AV programs available. |
| 21:28.11 | ironmux | Hi guys .. is there already a VirtualBox package for squeeze? |
| 21:28.13 | EduardeCalibal | But I try use more open software. |
| 21:28.16 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 21:28.29 | SineDeviance | ironmux: did you try apt-get install virtualbox-ose ? |
| 21:29.06 | ironmux | no SineDeviance .. thanks a lot for your advise :) |
| 21:29.15 | SineDeviance | ironmux: so it worked i gather? |
| 21:29.54 | ironmux | SineDeviance: I have to check it .. VirtualBox is running on lenny .. |
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| 21:30.51 | doglino | what option I choice? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:31.35 | imaginaryman | Ok this sound capture thing is killing me |
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| 21:31.49 | imaginaryman | I built the right drivers from source |
| 21:31.55 | imaginaryman | for my audio card |
| 21:32.15 | imaginaryman | but I still don't have the option to capture Mix in alsamixer |
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| 21:32.48 | jhutchins_lt | imaginaryman: What made you think it was possible? |
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| 21:33.16 | imaginaryman | because if audio |
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| 21:33.26 | imaginaryman | come from my speakers it has to leave from somewhere |
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| 21:33.36 | imaginaryman | comes* |
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| 21:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | imaginaryman: Usually the sound cards decode the digital audio directly to the physical output. |
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| 21:34.28 | imaginaryman | exactly |
| 21:34.39 | jhutchins_lt | imaginaryman: As far as I know, alsa itself doesn't have the ability to interecept that output, but there are programs like oss, jack, and pulseaudio that are supposed to be able to. |
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| 21:35.14 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... I have another problem. With printer tasks management. |
| 21:35.34 | EduardeCalibal | I need control any job, before go to the printer. And need a preview. |
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| 21:35.46 | EduardeCalibal | Have a program for this job? |
| 21:36.07 | jhutchins_lt | EduardeCalibal: |
| 21:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | EduardeCalibal: cups? |
| 21:36.36 | EduardeCalibal | Preview with cups? |
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| 21:36.53 | EduardeCalibal | I need a preview from a job after this job is send to the server. |
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| 21:38.29 | EduardeCalibal | Some like 1) cliente send a job 2) Server put in the job list 3) Admin see and send to the printer. |
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| 21:39.01 | jhutchins_lt | !maint bluez-utils |
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| 21:39.30 | dpkg | bluez-utils: Debian Bluetooth Maintainers <pkg-bluetooth-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
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| 21:45.04 | exprim | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.08 | exprim | oops, sorry |
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| 21:46.25 | dutchfish | jordanm: the patch inside #585123, solved my problem, its not in the debian repos however. Thanks for the help. |
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| 21:47.59 | gusto | hey |
| 21:48.02 | gusto | i have fixed it |
| 21:48.17 | gusto | i was doing these and that, nothing helped but disabling KMS |
| 21:48.58 | gusto | i did go to /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf or whatever its name is and there set KMS to zero and now it works fine!! |
| 21:49.33 | gusto | so when someone comes in because his radeon video crashed the whole computer - KMS is guilty |
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| 21:50.59 | eviltoaster | Can someone help me understand why i cant get this working in debian squeeze when it worked in ubuntu 10.10. php and user www-data --> exec('bash -c "DISPLAY=:0.0 sudo -u eviltoaster vlc --fullscreen /home/eviltoaster/Downloads/'.$_GET['file'].'"') |
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| 21:51.36 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 21:51.45 | EduardeCalibal | Lines with "Display" never work well here... |
| 21:51.46 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. |
| 21:52.05 | eviltoaster | EduardeCalibal, what? |
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| 21:52.19 | confrey | I'm upgrading squeeze, but I can't go on, it stop while installing python2.6-minimal, how can I solve that? |
| 21:52.23 | EduardeCalibal | When I try use any command with the option DISPLAY dont work.... |
| 21:52.38 | EduardeCalibal | I have bad lucky I think... |
| 21:52.40 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 21:52.43 | eviltoaster | ^^ |
| 21:53.03 | eviltoaster | But as i said my php file worked great in ubuntu but not in debian squeeze :S |
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| 21:53.18 | Raptors | hey guys |
| 21:53.38 | EduardeCalibal | Maybe someone already solved the problem in Ubuntu... |
| 21:53.47 | EduardeCalibal | Hey. |
| 21:53.49 | eviltoaster | Now i need to have my keyboard in the bed too :S |
| 21:54.08 | Raptors | I hate the default look of debian can someone please recommend a good gnome theme? |
| 21:54.10 | themill | eviltoaster: the exact error message would be helpful |
| 21:54.12 | Raptors | gtk theme* |
| 21:54.33 | eviltoaster | themill, from wish file? :) |
| 21:54.48 | eviltoaster | php does not give me any and i cant find any problems :S |
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| 21:56.21 | EduardeCalibal | eviltoaster, Here worked... I think. |
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| 21:56.22 | eviltoaster | when i use www-data i can use vlc, no errors but when i use it from exec in browser it does not work :S |
| 21:56.24 | EduardeCalibal | Ops |
| 21:56.32 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, work... |
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| 21:56.38 | themill | you're not asking php to give you any return value. the webserver's error log would be the other obvious place to look. And you can do this step by step yourself without the webserver in the way |
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| 21:56.48 | EduardeCalibal | I have many messages but work. |
| 21:57.09 | eviltoaster | EduardeCalibal, what did you do? |
| 21:57.29 | EduardeCalibal | I cut the php code, sudo and put in a terminal. |
| 21:57.47 | themill | presumes this is not something that will ever receive any hostile input at all |
| 21:57.58 | eviltoaster | EduardeCalibal, as i said it works in terminal. |
| 21:58.07 | EduardeCalibal | Ha... |
| 21:58.09 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
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| 21:58.23 | eviltoaster | But that is not the problem :) |
| 21:59.06 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, work in Debian but dont work with php in the same machine? |
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| 21:59.21 | EduardeCalibal | Then you have a log in some place, I think. |
| 21:59.31 | EduardeCalibal | Apache log, maybe? |
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| 22:01.06 | EduardeCalibal | PHP dont have a command line test tool? |
| 22:01.09 | EduardeCalibal | I dont found here. |
| 22:01.54 | themill | ,info php5-cli |
| 22:01.56 | judd | php5-cli (web, optional): command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language. Version: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; Size: 2416.8k; Installed: 5292k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
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| 22:02.02 | EduardeCalibal | Nice. :D |
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| 22:06.46 | eviltoaster | Yeay error ! |
| 22:06.47 | eviltoaster | http://pastebin.com/jYSbPWmr |
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| 22:08.27 | EduardeCalibal | Tilt in VLC? |
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| 22:09.10 | SeySayux | Hi. "Upgrading" to sid. Good idea or not? |
| 22:09.17 | EduardeCalibal | oO |
| 22:09.32 | EduardeCalibal | I use unstable "things" here and have "work to do" any time... |
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| 22:09.40 | bolt | SeySayux: if you have to ask, it's the worst idea you've had today |
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| 22:10.09 | bolt | !tell SeySayux about sid |
| 22:10.15 | lasjsdfs | somebody knows why the ethernet intel gigabit 82567lm-3 don't work in netinst cd? |
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| 22:10.49 | SeySayux | bolt: No, that would be trying to pee while standing on my hands. But seriously, some guy said "Hey, if you want to have more recent versions of software, just upgrade to sid!". I seriously had my doubts, so... |
| 22:11.13 | Raptors | Where do I install the flash plugin in debian? |
| 22:11.15 | EduardeCalibal | lasjsdfs, halt in the boot? |
| 22:11.26 | bolt | SeySayux: don't install sid then. get backports. ask dpkg about "backports" |
| 22:11.28 | Raptors | I'm new to this, there is no .mozillia like ubuntu |
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| 22:12.21 | eviltoaster | Raptors, .mozillia? |
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| 22:12.49 | SeySayux | bolt: Backports is a mess |
| 22:12.50 | SeySayux | So, the most sane thing to do is Ubuntu? |
| 22:12.54 | Raptors | SeySayux, where do you put it in ubuntu? |
| 22:12.54 | Raptors | I mean in debian |
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| 22:12.59 | gusto | imaginaryman, thewanderer1 did you get it? the problem was KMS. i disabled the KMS and now the video driver - radeon - works stable |
| 22:13.10 | SeySayux | Raptors: eh, wtf, I don't use flash on my Debian *server* |
| 22:13.17 | Raptors | :\ |
| 22:13.23 | bolt | SeySayux: how is it a mess? |
| 22:13.38 | EduardeCalibal | Ops... |
| 22:13.50 | eviltoaster | EduardeCalibal, ? |
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| 22:13.57 | EduardeCalibal | Wrong clicks... |
| 22:13.57 | SeySayux | about a minute ago, I still had a mix of two different versions of mono. |
| 22:13.58 | Raptors | eviltoaster, .mozilla |
| 22:14.00 | EduardeCalibal | Sorry. |
| 22:14.05 | bolt | !flash |
| 22:14.05 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 22:14.09 | bolt | Raptors: ^^ |
| 22:14.15 | Raptors | you put it in .mozilla/plugin |
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| 22:15.29 | Raptors | bolt, there isn't a folder where you put it in debian? |
| 22:15.52 | bolt | Raptors: why would you do that, when you can apt-get it? |
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| 22:16.04 | SeySayux | Raptors: mkdir -p .mozilla/plugin ## there you are |
| 22:16.06 | Raptors | bolt, can you apt get 64 bit? |
| 22:16.11 | eviltoaster | Raptors, you dont have any .mozilla folder or what? |
| 22:16.12 | bolt | Raptors: .mozilla is created by starting iceweasel, i think. |
| 22:16.21 | bolt | Raptors: ..or just make it yourself |
| 22:16.26 | Raptors | kk |
| 22:16.42 | bolt | Raptors: but do ask apt about gnash, swfdec and adobe flash |
| 22:16.49 | bolt | er. ask dpkg * |
| 22:17.08 | bolt | ~test |
| 22:17.09 | apt | Failed! |
| 22:17.14 | bolt | hugs apt |
| 22:17.41 | eviltoaster | themill, http://pastebin.com/jYSbPWmr |
| 22:18.37 | Raptors | ERROR: 64 bit player temporarily not supported |
| 22:18.38 | Raptors | More information might be available at: |
| 22:18.38 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.43 | Raptors | that's why.... |
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| 22:19.02 | Raptors | I put it in .mozilla/plugin but its not seeing it :\ |
| 22:19.05 | themill | eviltoaster: that looks a lot like DISPLAY is being removed from your environment -- sudo sanitises the environment by default and it may be that is what's happening here |
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| 22:20.20 | Raptors | guys I really need flash |
| 22:20.21 | Raptors | !! |
| 22:20.21 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 22:20.27 | Raptors | How do I get it to see it! |
| 22:20.28 | eviltoaster | themill, But why did it work in ubuntu :S |
| 22:20.28 | Raptors | ? |
| 22:21.00 | themill | eviltoaster: different configuration of sudo, quite possibly. |
| 22:21.30 | eviltoaster | hm |
| 22:21.46 | EduardeCalibal | eviltoaster, I read some about a export need in some file to this work in debian... |
| 22:21.52 | EduardeCalibal | But here I dont make this work... |
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| 22:21.54 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
| 22:21.57 | kamil_ | Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Not running within active session) |
| 22:22.06 | kamil_ | Hi! I've got an error when i starting gconftool --spawn that is up there |
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| 22:23.18 | eviltoaster | baaah stupid errors! |
| 22:23.31 | EduardeCalibal | fzç |
| 22:23.35 | EduardeCalibal | Ops... |
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| 22:23.40 | themill | eviltoaster: try sticking all the commands you want to run in the one shell script and just exec() that |
| 22:23.46 | EduardeCalibal | Raptors, already have flash installed? |
| 22:24.07 | EduardeCalibal | If no, try get in http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/, the new version is working well here... |
| 22:24.25 | eviltoaster | themill, okey |
| 22:25.17 | EduardeCalibal | thmill, in the last message I see the same problem I have here with the display option. Maybe is this the problem. |
| 22:25.22 | EduardeCalibal | themill |
| 22:25.54 | Raptors | No |
| 22:26.02 | Raptors | Adobe canned flash |
| 22:26.10 | EduardeCalibal | oO |
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| 22:26.24 | Raptors | they canned it for 64bit linux |
| 22:26.30 | Raptors | until next release |
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| 22:26.38 | EduardeCalibal | This is a problem... |
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| 22:26.49 | zinx | Flash on Linux sucks something terrible anyway, because Adobe can't be asked to implement it correctly |
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| 22:26.58 | EduardeCalibal | And the 32bits dont work with a 64bits system? |
| 22:26.58 | Raptors | I had the file from my ubuntu install so I took it and followed this... |
| 22:27.02 | Raptors | http://blog.mbentley.net/2010/07/installing-adobe-flash-64-bit-on-debian/ |
| 22:27.04 | Raptors | and it worked |
| 22:27.15 | Raptors | :) |
| 22:27.44 | gnarface | flash is very upsetting |
| 22:27.44 | Raptors | they actually have a link to it in that article too |
| 22:28.03 | Raptors | gnarface, yes it is but its needed |
| 22:28.27 | gnarface | i highly doubt it's ACTUALLY needed |
| 22:28.38 | themill | Raptors: congratulations on installing a version of flash with known security holes |
| 22:28.39 | gnarface | perception rarely mirrors fact though |
| 22:28.42 | Raptors | You need it if you do any web browsing |
| 22:28.54 | Raptors | themill, o well.. |
| 22:29.07 | gnarface | i do web browsing |
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| 22:29.26 | EduardeCalibal | Leaving... |
| 22:29.34 | Raptors | bye |
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| 22:34.07 | kamil_ | Hi! I've got an error when i starting gconftool --spawn that |
| 22:34.12 | kamil_ | Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Not running within active session) |
| 22:34.21 | kamil_ | can someone help me with that? |
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| 22:36.00 | LuCasn | I am completely clueless: is there any reason why I can't mount a tmps with the exec option inside a user's directory? |
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| 22:36.50 | LuCasn | fstab entry reads "tmpfs /home/foo/bar tmpfs exec,user,owner,noatime 0 0" |
| 22:37.27 | LuCasn | one "mount -a" and "mount" later i get this: "tmpfs on /home/foo/bar type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime)" |
| 22:38.47 | gnarface | what does exec do? |
| 22:38.49 | frex | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.01 | LuCasn | exec is the opposite of noexec |
| 22:39.10 | jordanm | gnarface: "help exec" |
| 22:39.16 | LuCasn | you either can or can't run programs from that mountpoint |
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| 22:39.32 | gnarface | can't you just not set noexec? |
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| 22:39.45 | LuCasn | that's what I am doing :) |
| 22:40.08 | LuCasn | does "user" maybe imply "noexec"? |
| 22:40.09 | jordanm | missed the context there.. |
| 22:40.15 | jordanm | no |
| 22:40.37 | LuCasn | then I don't understand why I can't mount it with "exec" |
| 22:41.22 | jordanm | LuCasn: that is implied if you use defaults |
| 22:41.42 | LuCasn | ok, reordered them and removed the owner flag |
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| 22:42.42 | LuCasn | thx for your help |
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| 22:44.18 | kblessinggr | anyone familiar with any up to date how-to on using backports to get mysql 5.1 installed? |
| 22:45.59 | jordanm | kblessinggr: the instructions page on backports.org |
| 22:46.01 | themill | kblessinggr: something more involved than "aptitude -t lenny-backports install mysql-server"? |
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| 22:46.31 | kblessinggr | k, will check out the .org most of what I found in google was just blog writeups |
| 22:47.10 | kblessinggr | there we go, just needed to find the deb line to add |
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| 22:48.16 | kblessinggr | "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C" <--- clues bout that? |
| 22:48.16 | tharkun | kblessinggr: Is there so much difference between 5.0 and 5.1 for the extra effort? |
| 22:48.34 | tharkun | kblessinggr: look for the solution on bpo web page |
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| 22:48.36 | kblessinggr | Prosper202 (which half my customers want in a VPS template) is much faster on 5.1 than 5.0 |
| 22:49.06 | jordanm | kblessinggr: the answer to that is also on the instructions page |
| 22:49.07 | tharkun | Good enough for me. Thx for answering |
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| 22:49.14 | kblessinggr | just noticed |
| 22:49.32 | gnarface | 5.1 finally has something approximating real clustering features too |
| 22:49.43 | kblessinggr | working in terminal while having 3 toddlers in the background fussing rather disorienting |
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| 22:50.12 | kblessinggr | had anyone ask why PHP6 wasn't in apt-get yet? :P |
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| 22:51.51 | gnarface | no but a couple nights ago someone came in demanding a link to a howto on installing php4 in lenny |
| 22:52.06 | kblessinggr | ... seriously? 5.2 itself is EOL |
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| 22:58.55 | stew | kblessinggr: no, 5.2 isn't EOL |
| 22:59.07 | stew | in fact they made a release just 2 weeks ago or something |
| 22:59.14 | kblessinggr | um did you read php.net |
| 22:59.34 | kblessinggr | "This release marks the end of the active support for PHP 5.2." |
| 22:59.44 | kblessinggr | ahh misread |
| 22:59.47 | kblessinggr | no active support |
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| 23:01.26 | stew | ahh, I hadn't seen that though |
| 23:01.48 | stew | debian will continue to support it of course |
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| 23:06.38 | emma | stew: are you still here? |
| 23:07.29 | emma | stew: when i file an RFP through email should the subject be: RFP: Racket -- Racket is a programming language or should it be: RFP: wnpp -- The Racket programming language |
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| 23:08.37 | stew | emma: i'd recommend using the reportbug tool which knows how to submit a RFP bug |
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| 23:23.04 | fas3r | if i want to accesto my website for example www.example.com/Admin i need to configure in a vhost in Apache ? |
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| 23:25.14 | kblessinggr | ugh why does purge/remove not actually remove the package |
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| 23:26.12 | dabreegster | Fresh install of exim4 on stable. I can send mail out, but I'm not receiving anything from outside. My MX records are correct. Usual suspects? Is #exim better for this? |
| 23:26.49 | abrotman | kblessinggr: which package? |
| 23:26.57 | kblessinggr | php5 , but I'm trying php5* now |
| 23:26.59 | petemc | dabreegster: whats the domain? |
| 23:27.18 | dabreegster | petemc: roommateme.net |
| 23:27.37 | dabreegster | How do I see what MX records are used anyway? They should've propogated by now.. |
| 23:27.53 | abrotman | kblessinggr: so what did'nt it remove ? |
| 23:28.03 | kblessinggr | bunch of the php5 folders and binaries |
| 23:28.27 | dabreegster | exim doesnt have port 25 open.. hmm |
| 23:28.27 | gnarface | purge removes everything |
| 23:28.30 | petemc | debiandebian: connection refused , is exim listening on all interfaces? exim4 -bP local_interfaces |
| 23:28.38 | kblessinggr | gnarface: indeed it should, shouldn't it :p |
| 23:28.52 | gnarface | kblessinggr: you're sure the stuff left behind is actually part of the package tree? |
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| 23:28.54 | themill | kblessinggr: are you purging the right package? |
| 23:29.26 | kblessinggr | I just got it all purged by doing php* , only thing that remains are the cached info for apt |
| 23:29.37 | dabreegster | petemc: hrmm, maybe I misunderstood the config screen asking where to listen.. I thought that was for mail coming from roommateme.net |
| 23:30.18 | kblessinggr | was trying the dotdeb repository for php 5.3.3 but doesn't seem to support fpm and it auto-installs apache as a dependency which I don't plan on using so just gona go at php via source then |
| 23:30.31 | dabreegster | Ah, I think what I wanted was to not relay any mail but listen on all interfaces. |
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| 23:30.53 | imaginaryman | any .asoundrc scripters here? |
| 23:31.40 | ZNC-Titan | Ok so i got my capture card to work. But i dont have /dev/dst. ??? |
| 23:32.36 | ZNC-Titan | Dsp* |
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| 23:34.15 | ZNC-Titan | How can i get dsp to showup. I guess it would be for my soundblaster live. :/ |
| 23:34.54 | dabreegster | petemc: I told it to listen on all interfaces, now mxtoolbox's smtp scanner can get in. Still no delivery from outside could mean what? |
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| 23:35.21 | petemc | dabreegster: check /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
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| 23:35.41 | dabreegster | petemc: I've been tailing it, nothing happens when I send mail from gmail. I see the entry from mxtoolbox though |
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| 23:36.35 | s5s | what can I do if my driver doesn't compile agains the current kernel? I was thinking of fixing the code to correct the make errors but don't know where this would take me |
| 23:36.39 | petemc | dabreegster: i just sent a message to postmaster, did you see that? |
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| 23:38.02 | dabreegster | petemc: I did. Hrmm. Maybe gmail's slow at delivery right now? I have it set to deliver to maildir. For users who don't exist, I see an entry in /var/spool/exim4.. alright, this is a start at least |
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| 23:38.57 | dabreegster | Ah, mine from gmail went through |
| 23:39.14 | dabreegster | petemc: Excellent, thank you very much -- the problem was telling it to only listen on localhost. :) |
| 23:39.18 | petemc | np |
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| 23:42.00 | Raptors | Is there a for the broken network manager? |
| 23:42.29 | Raptors | I'm getting a internet but its saying that I'm not connected |
| 23:42.38 | Raptors | and all the options are grayed out |
| 23:42.53 | Raptors | "device not managed" |
| 23:43.28 | Raptors | ? |
| 23:43.30 | Raptors | Anyone? |
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| 23:50.05 | imaginaryman | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=97598 |
| 23:50.06 | imaginaryman | victory |
| 23:50.22 | imaginaryman | good nightmorning-oon |
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| 23:52.56 | ZNC-Titan | What is better alsa or oss? |
| 23:53.06 | abrotman | the one that is in your kernel |
| 23:53.20 | stew | alsa |
| 23:53.46 | ZNC-Titan | ok |
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| 23:54.00 | ZNC-Titan | Well how do i make /dev/dsp? |
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| 23:54.56 | abrotman | load the OSS compat modules |
| 23:55.18 | ZNC-Titan | How? |
| 23:55.29 | gnarface | apt-get install alsa-oss |
| 23:55.32 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 23:57.10 | stew | ZNC-Titan: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 23:57.52 | ZNC-Titan | Ok thanks |
| 23:59.19 | ZNC-Titan | Also how can i get my capture cards sound to play? |
| 23:59.49 | ZNC-Titan | It has a sound cable from it to my sound cards mic or line-in jack |
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