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| 00:06.55 | ZNC-Titan | Anyone? |
| 00:07.14 | doglinox | what is the easiest way to install php+apache on debian?? |
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| 00:07.29 | dondelelcaro | doglinox: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5; or similar. |
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| 00:08.17 | cheasee | hi, anybody has experiences with http://blog.wpkg.org/2009/04/23/cipher-benchmark-for-dm-crypt-luks/ ... http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=127532188803414&w=4 ? please pm me! |
| 00:09.38 | dondelelcaro | ZNC-Titan: you have the appropriate input selected and its level is up? |
| 00:10.14 | doglinox | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 00:12.21 | dondelelcaro | ZNC-Titan: and if that doesn't make it work, you'll have to give us some more information; how you enable input monitoring depends on the card |
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| 00:13.07 | tharkun | After one year with this laptop, i noticed today that it has volume up, volume down and mute, Obvioiusly they do not work. What program should i link them to so i have this functionality |
| 00:13.11 | tharkun | ? |
| 00:13.14 | ZNC-Titan | Nope. Does nott work |
| 00:13.33 | ZNC-Titan | It has. Philips SAA7130 chip |
| 00:13.44 | streuner | tharkun: sounds like sid |
| 00:13.54 | Raptors | Hey guys my network manage is broken |
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| 00:14.05 | dondelelcaro | ZNC-Titan: that's not your sound card |
| 00:14.06 | Raptors | its saying device is unmanged |
| 00:14.13 | streuner | tell news |
| 00:14.17 | ZNC-Titan | Its my capture card |
| 00:14.23 | Raptors | I changed the file to "managed = true" but it did't fix it |
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| 00:14.31 | Raptors | yes I did restart my comp |
| 00:14.34 | tharkun | streuner: no, lenny and sometime next month it will turn to squeeze. I just didn't realize teh simbols on them where for that |
| 00:14.36 | ZNC-Titan | My sound card is a sound blaster live |
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| 00:15.22 | Raptors | I NEED HELP! |
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| 00:15.43 | dondelelcaro | ZNC-Titan: then run alsamixer; and make sure the Aux playback monitor level is up. |
| 00:15.47 | Raptors | Anyone good with the network manager? |
| 00:16.09 | streuner | no, most of us use something else... |
| 00:16.15 | stew | Raptors: check /usr/share/doc/netowrk-manager/README.Debian to see how it decides whether or not to manage an interface |
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| 00:17.10 | ZNC-Titan | Aux is up |
| 00:17.16 | ZNC-Titan | Linein too |
| 00:17.19 | tharkun | Raptors: if you need networking right away you can do it manualy. And you can fix network.-manager later |
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| 00:18.18 | Raptors | tharkun, its working right know. |
| 00:18.19 | Raptors | I'm on it right know |
| 00:18.19 | Raptors | its just telling pidgin that there is no internet |
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| 00:18.19 | Raptors | which is pissing me off |
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| 00:19.20 | tharkun | Raptors: chech that dhcdbd is running |
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| 00:19.38 | tharkun | Raptors: disregard |
| 00:19.59 | Raptors | So is there a fix for this? |
| 00:20.25 | Raptors | everyone says you have the config file to true I did that |
| 00:20.28 | ZNC-Titan | dondelelcaro: it is all up |
| 00:20.30 | Raptors | but it didn't chnage |
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| 00:21.14 | bugjar | what's with the "obsolete documentation" (eg., http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ )? |
| 00:21.29 | tharkun | Raptors: i've had similar trouble with network-manager but it was not its fault. It was the gnome dbus daemon, which i can't recall its name. It did not start properly |
| 00:21.47 | stew | bugjar: are you asking how to help? |
| 00:22.18 | Raptors | tharkun, how do I start it? |
| 00:22.40 | ZNC-Titan | Hm what if i plug my speakers right into my capture card. :/ |
| 00:23.03 | bugjar | well, some of the handy guides for apt-get came back from google at the top (I was looking for getting source), but it is marked as obsolete. I wondered why, but i suppose "what can i do about it?" is a good question, to |
| 00:23.07 | bugjar | too* |
| 00:23.19 | tharkun | first check that it is running, else it is a standard daemon. I am telling you what my problem was. The symptons were similar. Your case might be something totally different |
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| 00:24.47 | stew | bugjar: getting source to a debian package? "apt-get source packagename" |
| 00:24.50 | ZNC-Titan | Well there is no sound comibg out of my capture card. :/ |
| 00:24.52 | Raptors | tharkun, I fixed it |
| 00:25.02 | ZNC-Titan | Now how do i get it to??? |
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| 00:25.07 | tharkun | Raptors: What was it? |
| 00:25.10 | Raptors | I'm a dumbass, I put "True" instead of "true" |
| 00:25.17 | Raptors | under managed |
| 00:25.21 | RichardG | I'm stuck here, need quick help, how to force eth0 to get a new DHCP-assigned address on squeeze? |
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| 00:25.38 | stew | bugjar: the http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc is probably where to talk about improving the apt-howto |
| 00:25.54 | stew | RichardG: "dhclient eth0" ? |
| 00:25.57 | Raptors | tharkun, you have to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and change manage to true |
| 00:26.04 | tharkun | RichardG: kill `pidof dhclient` && dhclient eth0 |
| 00:26.17 | tharkun | Raptors: thx for the info |
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| 00:26.38 | tharkun | I am used to cli |
| 00:27.01 | bugjar | stew: do you know the answer to "why"? is it that it has aged too much and *someone* should read over it for correctness or just that there's better out there that I cannot (cos google has n't) found? |
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| 00:28.28 | stew | bugjar: why is it outdated? |
| 00:28.50 | stew | bugjar: because nobody has volunteered to update it |
| 00:29.12 | bugjar | stew: well, that is kind of my question. there seems to be no answer at the top (in bold) besides that it is obsolete |
| 00:29.29 | stew | i mean that's typically the answer, the debian-doc mailing list would be a better place to ask |
| 00:29.31 | jordanm | tharkun: "pkill" |
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| 00:30.18 | tharkun | jordanm: long time habit :) |
| 00:30.27 | stew | bugjar: and that document points you here: http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp |
| 00:30.53 | Ping_Floyd | hi im trying to ssh my home-server from my school.... but it has almost every port closed... 22 include |
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| 00:31.25 | tharkun | Ping_Floyd: ok so you will not be able to do it |
| 00:31.48 | bugjar | ooks like the answer is that apt-get HOWTO is replaced by secure apt... i heard about it in the last two weeks... already outdated. |
| 00:31.49 | abrotman | Ping_Floyd: you have to setup a reverse tunnel |
| 00:31.51 | bugjar | i'm getting old |
| 00:31.52 | dabreegster | Ping_Floyd: ssh outgoing on your school's end, or is it closed at your isp level? is your router forwarding the port to your box? |
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| 00:32.20 | RichardG | ok, now I managed to configure my network, but I can't access anything other than the router. |
| 00:32.24 | RichardG | not even other devices on the LAN. |
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| 00:32.36 | abrotman | your route or netmask is wrong probably |
| 00:32.38 | RichardG | I got a static LAN IP because dhcp would not work |
| 00:32.45 | bugjar | stew: fwiw, your link was almost immediate; i ran through the search of the lists, and it was ... impossibly noisy. :-\ |
| 00:33.06 | stew | bugjar: what do you mean? |
| 00:33.12 | tharkun | RichardG: Silly question is the cable connected to the rest of the lan ? |
| 00:33.20 | RichardG | it is connected |
| 00:33.22 | stew | bugjar: i found that link by looking at yours |
| 00:33.27 | tharkun | abrotman: a reverse tunnel ? |
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| 00:33.46 | abrotman | i'm sure google can answer that |
| 00:33.47 | bugjar | noisy? oh, my search terms weren't sufficiently consice. |
| 00:33.59 | bugjar | stew: wha? where on that page... |
| 00:34.08 | stew | bugjar: 10) New versions of this document |
| 00:34.13 | RichardG | my routing table: destination 192.168.2.0 gateway 192.168.2.1, destination 192.168.2.0 gateway 0.0.0.0 and 0.0.0.0 gateway 192.168.2.1 |
| 00:34.58 | bugjar | stew: *sigh* the world *would* be a much better place if people knew howto read..... thanks |
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| 00:35.44 | Fernandos | hi |
| 00:36.21 | Fernandos | I'm currently trying to decide if I do a x64 unstable install or stable install |
| 00:36.25 | bugjar | stew: thanks again. i'll go back under my rock. :-} |
| 00:36.45 | Fernandos | unstable means debian 6 |
| 00:36.53 | Fernandos | stable = debian 5 |
| 00:37.03 | jordanm | unstable is not debian 6. "testing" will soon be debian 6 |
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| 00:37.08 | tharkun | Fernandos: server or desktop? |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | Fernandos: no, that's not right |
| 00:37.14 | abrotman | tharkun: don't even think about it |
| 00:37.23 | tharkun | shuts up |
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| 00:37.52 | Fernandos | tharkun: desktop (laptop/tablet with multitouchscreen) |
| 00:38.07 | nickdaly` | Has anyone heard about work to include the game, Ryzom, in Debian? |
| 00:38.17 | Fernandos | actually it's a HP TM2 |
| 00:38.26 | abrotman | nickdaly`: debian.org/devel/wnpp .. if it's not already in Debian |
| 00:38.35 | Fernandos | HP TouchSmart Tm2-1090eg to be precise |
| 00:38.47 | Fernandos | would you mind telling if wifi works with that? |
| 00:38.55 | jordanm | abrotman: non-free mmo |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | Fernandos: we don't know the chipset .. we'd have to know the wifi chipset |
| 00:39.03 | tharkun | Fernandos: the sensible answer would be to install stable. And if things are not working because of lack of support you should evaluate going from stabel to testing |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | jordanm: luckily debian has non-free |
| 00:39.10 | Fernandos | I can pastebin the output of: sudo lshw -C network; sudo iwlist scanning; cat /etc/network/interfaces; cat /etc/lsb-release; lspci -nn; lsusb; sudo lshw -short; uname -a; dmesg | grep ound; dmesg | grep ath; dmesg | grep wl; dmesg | grep b43; dmesg | grep witch; iwconfig; grep b43 /etc/modprobe.d/*; grep wl /etc/modprobe.d/*; sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | tharkun: you mean lenny to squeeze ? |
| 00:39.20 | tharkun | abrotman: yes |
| 00:39.23 | cocoleee | caca |
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| 00:39.31 | jordanm | abrotman: yes, but mmo require constant updating, because client versions have to stay synced with the server |
| 00:39.35 | Fernandos | would that help you telling me if wifi would work on debian stable? |
| 00:39.42 | HermanDE | Evening folks... |
| 00:39.42 | jordanm | abrotman: and this is likely "not allowed to distribute" non-free |
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| 00:39.52 | stew | nickdaly`: this doesn't look like free software |
| 00:40.00 | HermanDE | Anybody have a good suggestion for a Web Events calendar? |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | Fernandos: lspci -nn .. what is the PCIID of the wifi device? |
| 00:40.19 | tharkun | Fernandos: support of wifi cards is based on chipsets |
| 00:40.29 | nickdaly` | stew: the game (engine, art, everything except sounds) were released under the AGPL (v3?) in May. |
| 00:40.51 | RichardG | thanks for the network help, rebooting worked. |
| 00:40.55 | jordanm | stable+backports has all the wifi support that testing has |
| 00:40.59 | tharkun | Fernandos: Do you have the actual hardware in front of you running any kind of OS ? |
| 00:41.13 | jordanm | the only required upgrades are with some newer graphics chips |
| 00:41.24 | nickdaly` | or, at least, that's what I got from the press release at dev.ryzom.com/news/13 |
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| 00:42.11 | Fernandos | tharkun: yes, running ubuntu, but it's a wubi install and wifi is detected, lists networks, but can't connect. it keeps reasking for a password. And I've just enough of ubuntu after 5years with it |
| 00:42.15 | dabreegster | HermanDE: any reason google calendar's out of the question? |
| 00:42.23 | nickdaly` | stew: wait, I take it back, the art assets were under CC-BY-SA 3.0 |
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| 00:42.52 | HermanDE | Company want's it's own label on the cheap. |
| 00:43.02 | Fernandos | here is the output http://pastebin.com/ZiH4sfXV |
| 00:43.11 | Fernandos | of lspci -nn |
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| 00:43.29 | HermanDE | dabreegster, With the ability to allow upto 5000 members add/delete to the same domain. |
| 00:43.33 | stew | nickdaly`: CC-BY-SA 3.0 is fine with debian |
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| 00:43.48 | HermanDE | dabreegster, It is a closed membership for change. Open for viewing. |
| 00:44.04 | nickdaly` | awesome. |
| 00:44.12 | Raptors | Is there a way to make the popup notification in gnome smaller? |
| 00:44.17 | nickdaly` | stew: I'll make an RFP, I guess. |
| 00:44.23 | Raptors | Its HUGE by default |
| 00:44.28 | tharkun | , pciid 8086:0084 |
| 00:44.28 | Fernandos | I know ati will make problems, but it's possible to disable that card completely in debian. Don't need it actually. |
| 00:44.29 | judd | [8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0084 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 00:44.31 | HermanDE | Raptors, 50 inch lcd. |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | Fernandos: the wifi isn't broadcom ? |
| 00:44.51 | Raptors | HermanDE, 50 inch lcd? |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | so the thing would work with the bpo kernel |
| 00:44.55 | Fernandos | no it's an Intel Corporation WiFi Link 1000 Series |
| 00:45.08 | HermanDE | Raptors, Makes everything small.. Yep.. Really bad joke. |
| 00:45.16 | jordanm | and kmuto for support from netinst |
| 00:45.17 | Raptors | ... |
| 00:45.24 | Fernandos | abrotman: maybe it's a broadcom, but tells the system it's an Intel card. not sure |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | it's not broadcom |
| 00:45.40 | Fernandos | okay |
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| 00:47.20 | Fernandos | abrotman: so would wifi work in debian with my card? |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | yes .. the default kernel in lenny will not .. but there is a bpo kernel for lenny, or you can try squeeze |
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| 00:48.34 | Fernandos | so shall I go with the x64 unstable build? |
| 00:48.34 | cheasee | anybody has experiences with http://blog.wpkg.org/2009/04/23/cipher-benchmark-for-dm-crypt-luks/ ... http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=127532188803414&w=4 ? please pm me! |
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| 00:50.00 | tharkun | Fernandos: Suit your self to taste. I think you should go the stable way. Although i would jump right into squeeze (testing) |
| 00:50.30 | Fernandos | thanks for your help :) |
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| 00:51.01 | tharkun | Your welcome, when you feel tired about your tablet, I can give you a hand adopting it :) |
| 00:51.02 | HermanDE | Raptors, Here is a link talking about gnome notifications in Python. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/778660/how-to-center-a-gnome-pop-up-notification |
| 00:51.03 | Fernandos | how is the upgrade philosophy of debian? |
| 00:51.22 | HermanDE | Raptors, It looks like it comes from the gtkdialog property. |
| 00:51.42 | Fernandos | I mean in ubuntu you've to live with packages for your built |
| 00:52.00 | Fernandos | and using newer packages can even kill your system |
| 00:52.26 | abrotman | mixing is still bad |
| 00:52.29 | Fernandos | talking about using packages of 10.x when you have ubuntu 9.x |
| 00:52.36 | Fernandos | just for example |
| 00:52.37 | tharkun | Fernandos: there is bpo (backports ) which will have some newer stuff. But basically the whole package is the one beeing supported |
| 00:52.54 | Fernandos | hmm so it's the same.. :( |
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| 00:53.32 | Fernandos | a friend of me is running the same slackware install since 10years, he just upgrades stuff |
| 00:53.33 | tharkun | You can allways compile from source the latest greates bug free version |
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| 00:53.51 | Fernandos | yeah that's what I mean, is that possible in debian? |
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| 00:54.08 | abrotman | Fernandos: yes, but mixing is still bad |
| 00:54.34 | Fernandos | yeah I get that |
| 00:54.41 | tharkun | Fernandos: yes, you have to do it in a way not to interfere with the actual release you decide. And all the package management then becomes your responsability |
| 00:55.09 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:55.16 | tharkun | So it ends ups as allways who do you want to do the maintenance of the packages running in your hw. Debian team or yourself |
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| 00:56.09 | Fernandos | I'd say partly myself.. partly the debian team :P |
| 00:56.47 | tharkun | Fernandos: then you know the way to go. Remember that when you upgrade from one release to another it might get ugly |
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| 00:57.15 | tharkun | knows what in between releases with non debian patched packages can be |
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| 00:59.40 | Fernandos | thanks :) |
| 00:59.41 | tharkun | abrotman: btw if i set up a reverse tunnel with ssh -nNT -R 1100:local.mydomain.com:1100 remote.mydomain.com any acces to the remote 1100 port will endup in the local 1100 local port. Will the reverse still hold ? or do i need to get the -R from the command, I am not understanding quite right the documentation |
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| 01:00.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | tharkun: you did google this right? |
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| 01:00.31 | tharkun | abrotman: yes |
| 01:01.17 | tharkun | abrotman: never mind i'll read the ssh man page once more. The answer must be there |
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| 01:09.56 | LinuxPhreak1 | I'm not sure if this is the right channel. But I'm using Debian Live Magic to make a custom netboot image of my Ubuntu System. It's been retreaving release info for the past 27 hours off of the us ubuntu archives |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | is there an actual questoin ? |
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| 01:12.08 | LinuxPhreak1 | abrotman: I'm wandering if it should take this long |
| 01:12.15 | LinuxPhreak1 | It's 1GB RAM |
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| 01:12.22 | abrotman | if it's an ubuntu sync, you probably want to ask #ubuntu |
| 01:12.31 | abrotman | no clue how much stuff is in their repos |
| 01:12.52 | LinuxPhreak1 | I figured it was fetching all that info |
| 01:13.12 | LinuxPhreak1 | Okay yeah makes sense why it is taking awhile |
| 01:13.24 | LinuxPhreak1 | all those repos have alot of packages |
| 01:13.53 | LinuxPhreak1 | I changed my lsb-release info and wasn't sure if that was screwing anything up |
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| 01:36.04 | nickdaly | Has anyone heard of plans for a data.debian.org? The Ryzom folks suggest that I wait until that's operational to submit the RFP (apparently Ryzom's just *too* huge), but Google's full of too many false positives to be useful. |
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| 01:39.45 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 01:39.58 | man_in_shack | can someone recommend a good gtk2 ftp client? |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | upload or download ? |
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| 01:40.31 | man_in_shack | both :) |
| 01:41.09 | Backup | lol what kind of question is that abrotman ? do you ask people who wants to buy a car if they want one that goes backward or forward? :P |
| 01:41.38 | man_in_shack | Backup, it's a very important question to ask if microsoft starts making cars |
| 01:41.49 | abrotman | Backup: some people think they need an actual ftp client to download, when a web browser would suffice |
| 01:41.57 | man_in_shack | also, there is one tiny car that doesn't have a reverse gear |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | man_in_shack: gftp? filezilla? |
| 01:42.27 | stew | nickdaly: yeah, we first started talking about it in october, there are no concrete plans yet. I'd not expect it for squeeze+1, perhaps squeeze+2 |
| 01:42.29 | man_in_shack | there was some reason why i stopped using gftp ... |
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| 01:42.54 | man_in_shack | didn't realise filezilla was available though. i'll probably switch to that |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | not sure if it is now, it was at one time |
| 01:43.07 | abrotman | judd: versions filezilla |
| 01:43.07 | man_in_shack | i know people who want filezilla's babies. that's probably a good sign for me and a bad sign for them |
| 01:43.09 | judd | filezilla -- etch: 3.0.0~beta2-3; lenny: 3.0.11.1-1; sid: 3.3.3-1; squeeze: 3.3.3-1 |
| 01:43.32 | jordanm | !ftp must die |
| 01:43.33 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 01:43.42 | man_in_shack | i think i stopped using gftp because it was gtk1 and i was trying to eliminate it as a dependency |
| 01:43.53 | man_in_shack | jordanm, ever heard of uploading? |
| 01:43.56 | stew | man_in_shack: gnome-terminal -e ncftp |
| 01:44.14 | man_in_shack | whacks stew over the head with an adult blue whale |
| 01:44.20 | stew | man_in_shack: yeah, his point is that there are much better protocols for uploading (and downloading) |
| 01:44.28 | jordanm | man_in_shack: what are you trying to say without reading the article? |
| 01:44.48 | man_in_shack | well, i was responding mostly to "If you really just want to provide anonymous download" |
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| 01:44.59 | man_in_shack | but if i had a CHOICE i wouldn't be using ftp |
| 01:45.08 | man_in_shack | i'd be using scp/sftp or something like that |
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| 01:46.19 | man_in_shack | i appreciate that you're trying to help, but i don't have sufficient access to the server to install and enable an ssh server |
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| 01:46.35 | maher | is there an easy way to run two different instances of X, one on console 7 and one on console 8 say... |
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| 01:46.47 | man_in_shack | maher, short answer: yes |
| 01:46.49 | jordanm | man_in_shack: X -- :1 |
| 01:47.06 | man_in_shack | stabs jordanm in the tab-complete |
| 01:47.24 | man_in_shack | maher, if you're using gdm, you might find gdmflexiserver useful |
| 01:47.35 | man_in_shack | there's probably a similar tool for kde, but i care not :) |
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| 01:52.13 | man_in_shack | ok, i already like filezilla a lot :) |
| 01:52.21 | maher | hmmm... i'm not running gdm atm but i woul dlike to start it on vt 8 |
| 01:52.22 | man_in_shack | it supports sftp! |
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| 01:53.04 | man_in_shack | maher, <jordanm> man_in_shack: X -- :1 |
| 01:53.07 | man_in_shack | ^^ that was meant for you |
| 01:53.18 | man_in_shack | you can do the same with startx or xinit |
| 01:54.51 | emma | if it has been over an hour after i used bugreport and i have not received an email back, does that mean it did not work? is there a way to see if the bug showed up anywhere? |
| 01:55.29 | jordanm | emma: it will often do greylisting, so hour might not be long enough wait. how did you send it? |
| 01:55.47 | emma | i sent it with bugreport in the terminal. |
| 01:56.14 | emma | bugreport -B debian --email myemail@gmai.. wnpp |
| 01:56.14 | abrotman | via your smtp server ? |
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| 01:56.22 | abrotman | check your spam bucket |
| 01:56.22 | emma | i don't have an smtp server. |
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| 01:56.40 | emma | does bugreport depend on you having an smtp server? |
| 01:56.50 | x90_ | your mom |
| 01:57.06 | abrotman | emma: no |
| 01:57.20 | emma | how does it send it to debian then? |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | it can send it directly |
| 01:57.31 | x90_ | your mom sends it to debian |
| 01:57.39 | emma | using what protocol? |
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| 01:58.17 | jordanm | emma: do you mean reportbug? |
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| 01:58.36 | emma | jordanm: yes reportbug |
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| 01:58.58 | jordanm | emma: if you don't specify otherwise, it will use /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 01:59.07 | jordanm | emma: check your mailserver logs |
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| 01:59.18 | emma | jordanm: reportbug -B debian --email myemail@yadayada wnpp |
| 01:59.33 | emma | jordanm: i dont think i have a mailserver. |
| 01:59.46 | jordanm | emma: also, I don't think --email functions as expected, and you should use DEBEMAIL environmet variable |
| 01:59.59 | jordanm | emma: you likely do, just not configured to properly send email |
| 02:00.11 | maher | emma: look for a copy of the email in /tmp and just send it as you normally send email... |
| 02:00.38 | emma | jordanm: well i am afraid to say this because it has gotten me in heap big trouble here before, but i use ubuntu. |
| 02:01.08 | jordanm | !tell emma about ubuntu |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | that doesn't affect your BTS submission |
| 02:01.10 | emma | maher: there is a copy in the tmp directory yes. should i just use email? |
| 02:02.36 | maher | emma: you can just copy it into your email client and send it off to bugs@debian.org |
| 02:02.43 | emma | jordanm: yes but im not looking for ubuntu support. It's just that I was using reportbug on ubuntu in order to submit a debian bug. |
| 02:02.50 | emma | maher: okay |
| 02:03.16 | jordanm | emma: have you tested it in debian? are you sure the debian package is the same? |
| 02:03.21 | emma | maher: i was afraid it's all done by a script and if it wasn't in the perfect format created by reportbug then it wouldn't get noticed. |
| 02:03.37 | emma | jordanm: im not reporting a bug in a package, this is an RFP |
| 02:04.16 | emma | maher: i'll do that. |
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| 02:04.28 | maher | emma: where the email starts Subject: <-- that's the subject line, everything after that is the message body |
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| 02:06.08 | jordanm | recalls a --mta option |
| 02:06.28 | jordanm | err --mua |
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| 02:10.00 | maher | man_in_shack: thanks - i'm not sure i did it the right way, but i now have two versions of X running.., |
| 02:11.01 | maher | except iceweasel is sulking and will only run on one of them |
| 02:11.38 | stew | maher: if you want to run another iceweasel, you have to do it with a different profile |
| 02:11.47 | man_in_shack | hugs filezilla |
| 02:11.50 | man_in_shack | thanks a lot abrotman |
| 02:12.01 | man_in_shack | you've saved me time and craploads of frustration with foff |
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| 02:16.47 | abrotman | foff? |
| 02:17.16 | Dewi | abrotman: don't tell me to eff off! |
| 02:17.22 | abrotman | okay? |
| 02:17.27 | Dewi | abrotman: :P |
| 02:17.49 | maher | stew: thanks |
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| 02:19.20 | man_in_shack | abrotman, foff is a very basic gtk ftp client |
| 02:19.31 | man_in_shack | single-threaded, afaict |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 02:33.26 | darhomn | hi, I want to change the default shell for alternate logins like (ctrl+alt+F6), I need one that supports utf properly. Does anyone know a shell that is more feature rich than the default one? |
| 02:35.12 | darhomn | I am having issues with Elinks on certain pages. Elinks renders great under X gnome terminal but not so great under alternate login shells |
| 02:35.36 | darhomn | I presume it must have something to do with the shell not necessarily with Elinks |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | darhomn: i think that's an elinks problem, try w3m or links2 |
| 02:36.06 | darhomn | well, it does render utf very nie under "gnome-terminal" |
| 02:36.10 | darhomn | nice |
| 02:36.11 | stew | it would have nothing to do with the shell |
| 02:36.31 | darhomn | sure, but why would there be a difference in utf rendering? |
| 02:36.34 | stew | it could be a font problem |
| 02:36.43 | darhomn | hmmm, how would I change that? |
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| 02:37.28 | darhomn | Btw what is the proper name for alternate shell like ctrl+alt+f(x) in Debian terms? |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | console? |
| 02:38.05 | darhomn | I just want to explain my issues properly, |
| 02:38.18 | darhomn | ok |
| 02:38.49 | darhomn | console is a non X term? I mean if I say console does it mean a console under X as well? |
| 02:39.24 | nkuttler | darhomn: does your locale support unicode? |
| 02:40.03 | jhutchins_lt | darhomn: Yeah, consoles 1-6 are the tty interfaces that are accessible "under" X. |
| 02:40.03 | darhomn | nkuttler: not sure, as I mentioned under X -r gnome-terminal I do not have utf problem, only under "console". |
| 02:40.14 | darhomn | jhutchins_lt: thanks that would do it for me |
| 02:40.19 | stew | darhomn: be more specific about how it renders utf? do you see some boxes instead of glyphs? is it showing extra characters? |
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| 02:40.37 | darhomn | yeah i just see boxes for certain accents |
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| 02:40.49 | darhomn | some accents seems to be rendered alright |
| 02:40.51 | jhutchins_lt | darhomn: I usually knock it back to two just to reduce clutter. |
| 02:40.53 | stew | which to me sounds like your font is missing glyphs |
| 02:41.11 | darhomn | I have not modified the defaults |
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| 02:41.33 | stew | not the the utf isn't being handled correctly. just that your font doens't have glyphs for every character you are asking it to display |
| 02:42.16 | jhutchins_lt | darhomn: There's something about setting up the console font in the install guide - at least under the debootstrap section. |
| 02:42.22 | jhutchins_lt | !console font |
| 02:42.39 | darhomn | ok thanks guys, I did not think about that possibility |
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| 02:42.47 | jhutchins_lt | !console fonts |
| 02:42.47 | dpkg | If your console fonts settings have been changed, you can reset them using the consolechars command. The default font is default 8x*. |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | isn't that pretty old? |
| 02:43.06 | abrotman | dpkg: factinfo console fonts |
| 02:43.06 | dpkg | console fonts -- created by nenolod <~nenolod@58.dallas-26rh16rt-tx.dial-access.att.net> at Sat Jan 4 21:07:01 2003 (2776 days); it has been requested 37 times, last by abrotman, 18s ago. |
| 02:43.19 | nkuttler | i kind of doubt you'll find console fonts for all languages |
| 02:43.59 | karlpinc | I'm having a strange problem using incron with emacs (both emacs 21 and 22). It seems to work with mg, but I'm wondering what the problem is and if I should file a bug. (lenny) See: http://pastebin.org/474069 |
| 02:45.08 | elik | I have drives some a drive on IDE (jmicron) and others on SATA. On every reboot, it seems my ide drive jumps from sda to sdd, just for fun. Is the IDE drive sd* because of jmicron. Is that a sort of "race condiiton". I guess the answer to this problem relies in udev? |
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| 02:46.17 | karlpinc | elik: The PCI bus, and so the kernel and udev, do not guarentee any detection order. So use disklabels or uuids. Answer: Yes. PC hardware sucks. |
| 02:48.05 | elik | karlpinc, I use uuid as much as I can, but I'm currently partitioning and all, so I have to be real careful where I write my things. I never had that indeterminism before, hence the question |
| 02:48.17 | elik | karlpinc, how about the sda vs hda? udev? |
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| 02:52.18 | karlpinc | elik: I think that's the kernel these days. |
| 02:52.44 | karlpinc | elik: I heard about the indeterminancy reading the linux-hotplug mailing list. See that for more info. |
| 02:53.25 | karlpinc | elik: There's supposed to be symlinks somewhere that don't change, using some sort of hardware serial number. But I don't remember the details. |
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| 02:53.48 | elik | karlpinc, alright, thanks for the pointers |
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| 03:00.10 | darhomn | after editing my console-tools/config file, do I need to restart my system to get the new font be effective? |
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| 03:03.32 | sdk | Quick question.. googled and Read TFM, but came up with two different answers. Does Digikam store the image metadata in a seperate database file, or does it embed the info in the image proper? |
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| 03:07.36 | nkuttler | sdk: what kind of metadata? check with one of the exif tools? |
| 03:08.34 | darhomn | stew: you were right, I just tried consolechars -f Uni3-Terminus14, and fonts are rendered fine. thanks for the lead |
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| 03:10.20 | sdk | nkuttler: tags, date, real basic stuff. I have upwards of 3K photos between my wife, kids and family. I just spent 40 or so hours getting rid of duplicates, setting up a structure, etc. I want to be able to tag the photo with a title, the people in it, perhaps a location and the date taken, and not muck about with my file structure. I read digikam would do that, but reading the docs it doesn't look like that. |
| 03:10.26 | sdk | wow, long post.. sorry. |
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| 03:12.10 | stew | darhomn: cool |
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| 03:13.47 | darhomn | btw i am trying to increase the resolution of my console, supposedly I need to edit menu.lst under /boot/grub, but I cannot see it there |
| 03:14.10 | sdk | anyone have any suggestions of what I could use, or am I understanding digikam's documentation incorrectly? |
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| 03:14.41 | jordanm | darhomn: what version of debian? |
| 03:14.45 | darhomn | sequeeze |
| 03:15.00 | jordanm | darhomn: /etc/default/grub ; update-grub2 |
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| 03:17.18 | darhomn | jordanm: thanks |
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| 03:20.36 | karlpinc | sdk: Long posts are good. You might be able to use debtags to find an appropriate package that does what you want. I find it the best way to search for package functionality. (I use aptitude ~Gtag to find stuff, YMMV.) |
| 03:21.01 | darhomn | hmm, thus grub file has nothing to do with the explanation here http://xrl.us/bhvsf7 ? |
| 03:21.11 | darhomn | this |
| 03:21.51 | jordanm | darhomn: that guide is not for debian, and not for your version of grub |
| 03:22.05 | darhomn | ohh well, thanks |
| 03:22.22 | darhomn | keep searching then |
| 03:22.52 | jordanm | darhomn: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= is the option to add boot arguements |
| 03:23.18 | jordanm | vga= might not work these days |
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| 03:24.41 | cheasee | can anybody tell me what to look at 120mm coolers if i need good cooling, regardless of noise? im looking how much m3 per hour it does, should i look at rpm info too or is that rather regardless? |
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| 03:26.48 | jordanm | cheasee: the ammount of air it moves is typically measured in CFM |
| 03:27.11 | darhomn | jordanm: thanks |
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| 03:40.38 | darhomn | how would I clean downloaded packages? I tried aptitude but does not seem to gain any extra space |
| 03:42.05 | man_in_shack | darhomn, what specifically did you try in aptitude? |
| 03:42.44 | darhomn | "clean package cache" in the menu |
| 03:43.11 | darhomn | and "clean obsolete files" |
| 03:43.49 | man_in_shack | darhomn, can you run this: du /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 03:44.56 | peterrooney | darhomn: brute force: /bin/rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb (not recommended unless all else fails) |
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| 03:46.12 | peterrooney | darhomn: try "apt-get clean" at least, before trying my "nuke from orbit" approach. |
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| 03:46.43 | gps23 | hi |
| 03:47.36 | gps23 | why does w command shows 2 users? one on tty7 and other on pts/0 |
| 03:48.04 | darhomn | man_in_shack: 1007328 /var/cache/apt/archives/, 4 /var/cache/apt/partial |
| 03:48.17 | pipeline | gps23: every xterm you open is going to need a pseudotty |
| 03:48.19 | man_in_shack | gps23, tty7 is X. pts/0 is your xterm |
| 03:48.19 | darhomn | peterrooney: thanks i will try if all fails |
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| 03:49.20 | man_in_shack | darhomn, yeah, that hasn't cleaned. try: "apt-get clean" |
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| 03:49.56 | gps23 | pipeline, man_in_shack : so that explains, thanks |
| 03:50.21 | darhomn | man_in_shack: thanks that gave me 1 gb extra |
| 03:50.45 | man_in_shack | that's exactly what it should have done |
| 03:50.49 | gps23 | from where can i get more information on this behaviour, i need to know why xterms opens a pts |
| 03:50.52 | man_in_shack | so good news for you :) |
| 03:50.58 | darhomn | thanks I appreciate it |
| 03:51.06 | man_in_shack | gps23, because it has to be connected to a terminal |
| 03:51.37 | darhomn | btw does anyone know a gui app for changing window managers? |
| 03:51.48 | man_in_shack | fusion-icon |
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| 03:51.58 | peterrooney | darhomn: xterm |
| 03:52.12 | man_in_shack | designed for compiz-fusion. allows me to switch between compiz and xfwm4 |
| 03:52.19 | peterrooney | hopes his asbestos shirt is genuine |
| 03:52.29 | darhomn | man_in_shack: hmm no compiz here |
| 03:52.36 | man_in_shack | peterrooney, try setting it on fire! |
| 03:52.41 | man_in_shack | darhomn, it might still work for you |
| 03:52.41 | darhomn | peterrooney: I was just looking for a gui app :) |
| 03:52.45 | darhomn | hmm |
| 03:52.49 | man_in_shack | darhomn, it adds an icon to the systray |
| 03:52.57 | gps23 | man_in_shack: thanks for the answer. i got more info at 'man pts' |
| 03:53.03 | darhomn | ok trying now |
| 03:53.10 | peterrooney | darhomn: dpkg-reconfigure gdm (or wdm, or kdm, depending on what you do or don't have installed) |
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| 03:53.54 | darhomn | peterrooney: i have bunch of window managers installed under virtualbox, i just want to test them one by one as easy as possible |
| 03:54.09 | darhomn | so that i can go back and forth easily if there is a way |
| 03:54.17 | darhomn | if not then no biggie |
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| 03:56.45 | darhomn | man_in_shack: ok it seems to list some of them, so that is a good start :0 |
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| 04:04.51 | darhomn | thanks for all the help, gnight |
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| 04:28.05 | dominick | Hi! I'm using Debian Squeeze! I connect to the internet using /etc/network/interfaces. I wish to run my system in Console only, but my ISP provides a weblogin, that has to be done through java-enabled web-browser only. If I do not use the internet for 10 mins, I have to relogin to use it again. Is there a way I can login from the console? I tried using lynx, but it asks me to enable javascript! Help Please! |
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| 04:29.46 | Sherry1 | Hi - I have a routing related question |
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| 04:30.02 | Sherry1 | This page -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Linux_Router_Configuration_0 |
| 04:30.11 | Sherry1 | suggests using gc_timeout for failover |
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| 04:30.45 | Sherry1 | however I am worried if setting gc_timeout to a small value like 10 will cause route cache to be recreated very frequently, thereby being very inefficient |
| 04:31.00 | Sherry1 | is there a better method for implementing failover at a router? |
| 04:32.47 | Sherry1 | anyone around with some routing expertise? |
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| 04:36.25 | Sherry1 | Hi - I have a routing related question - anyone around? |
| 04:38.30 | Sherry1 | I am trying to implement failover using this page as a reference - http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Linux_Router_Configuration_0 |
| 04:38.45 | Sherry1 | it suggests setting gc_timeout to 10 for implementing failover |
| 04:39.04 | Sherry1 | but won't this cause the route caches to be recreated very often being inefficient |
| 04:39.12 | Sherry1 | any better way to implement failover |
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| 05:31.30 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.40 | iluminator101 | i wanna cp * from this folder exclude certain folders |
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| 05:37.51 | peterrooney | iluminator101: possible, though bash might be more helpful on topic. |
| 05:38.20 | peterrooney | iluminator101: eg "cp [^d]* desination" skips all folders starting with d |
| 05:38.49 | peterrooney | iluminator101: or "cp [^dq]* desination" skips all folders starting with d or starting with q |
| 05:39.09 | peterrooney | s/desination/destination/ |
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| 05:41.07 | iluminator101 | peterrooney, thanks |
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| 05:44.44 | peterrooney | iluminator101: you're welcome. many fancier tricks are possible - /join #bash and ask there if interested. |
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| 06:01.30 | iluminator101 | peterrooney thanks again |
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| 06:25.59 | johntramp | hey. i have a bunch of packages i need to download and copy to another debian pc before i can get the network working. is there any easy way to do this ? like get a list of urls to be downloaded? |
| 06:27.12 | niklaswe | johntramp: if you know the url to all the packages then you can just do an for-loop |
| 06:27.47 | johntramp | yes, but can i do something like aptitude download .... --printurl |
| 06:27.54 | cahoot | johntramp: I'd take a look at packages.debian.org for each deb |
| 06:28.07 | johntramp | or so i have to get them one by one |
| 06:28.28 | niklaswe | johntramp: just use for looop for everything then? |
| 06:28.56 | johntramp | how will a for loop help? |
| 06:28.57 | niklaswe | just dpkg -i packages.deb.. |
| 06:29.05 | johntramp | i dont have the packages |
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| 06:29.27 | niklaswe | johntramp: but you will download them with before.. |
| 06:29.50 | johntramp | so i have a list of packages it wants to download, but has no network connection, so i need to download them from another machine then copy them over on a usb stick |
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| 06:30.32 | johntramp | there is about 40 packages, so i would rather not have to find them to download one by one if possible |
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| 06:30.49 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 06:30.50 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
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| 06:32.09 | johntramp | cheers valdyn |
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| 06:36.00 | jelly-home | johntramp: apt-get has an --print-uris but aptitude doesn't. Go figure. |
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| 06:36.28 | johntramp | jelly-home: ah |
| 06:37.29 | johntramp | i cant find it |
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| 06:48.54 | dockimble | what is the absolute lowest overhead (fastest) x window manager |
| 06:50.18 | niklaswe | dockimble: if you will try an fast wm, try evilwm :p or i can recomend you wmii |
| 06:50.35 | dockimble | and the lowest overhead browser? |
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| 06:53.37 | sonicx | hm depends i guess, on what capabilities you need. if you need it BASIC, try elinks ;) |
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| 06:54.10 | sonicx | else id probably go with mozilla, so you can have flash and whatnot |
| 06:54.57 | sonicx | for a good wm i can recommend blackbox |
| 06:55.28 | Gnurdux | what about chrome(ium)? |
| 06:55.43 | Gnurdux | that is faster than firefox by a good margin |
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| 06:55.56 | sonicx | but its also made by google |
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| 06:57.55 | sonicx | it is fast, cant argue with that - but that doesnt mean it has a small footprint. which it actually has compared to ie or ff - but you surely find browser which still are a lot less resource intensive |
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| 06:59.14 | dockimble | i need a browser that is basically elinks with pictures and a bit of formating |
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| 07:01.03 | sonicx | try skipstone |
| 07:01.10 | sonicx | its graphical, but light |
| 07:02.41 | krt | links or one of them does a gui mode |
| 07:02.49 | sonicx | for some more see list here http://www.helgefjell.de/browser.php |
| 07:03.03 | sonicx | elinks is console-based but has ncurses gui |
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| 07:03.23 | krt | it is links I was thinking of |
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| 07:04.29 | sonicx | isnt elinks a links-fork!? and links also console-based? |
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| 07:05.05 | sonicx | ah, theres a links 2, thats graphical |
| 07:05.12 | sonicx | see here http://links.twibright.com/features.php |
| 07:05.33 | sonicx | thats even smaller than skipstone |
| 07:05.43 | sonicx | nice |
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| 07:05.55 | krt | yes, but its not called Links 2 |
| 07:06.01 | krt | its called Links |
| 07:06.06 | krt | strangely enough. |
| 07:06.21 | sonicx | yea, i see. it was mentioned as links 2 on the old links' page. |
| 07:06.28 | sonicx | confusing. |
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| 07:06.45 | sonicx | seems it has no css support though |
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| 07:06.53 | krt | its old |
| 07:07.02 | krt | its version 2 that supports graphics |
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| 07:08.54 | craigevil | links2 -g |
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| 07:24.01 | osfd | squeeze is frozen. I really think about upgrading |
| 07:24.15 | osfd | anyone tried migration from stable to testing ? |
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| 07:25.04 | smv | !stable->testing |
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| 07:28.29 | osfd | smv: so that should work pretty smoothly... |
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| 07:30.23 | smv | osfd, it should. haven't tested it myself. |
| 07:31.14 | Argafal | i tested it, had no problems whatsoever |
| 07:31.22 | qzx | :O |
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| 07:32.40 | osfd | I really feel like going to testing. Nonetheless, it might be a good idea to go to a fresh and brand new install... |
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| 07:48.57 | TZug | i made minor design changes for the linux promt in Lenny |
| 07:49.03 | TZug | export PS1='\H(\e[1;31m\u\e[m):\w\n\e[1;31m\$\e[m ' |
| 07:50.01 | SlayerXP | TZug: both ugly and irritating. please don't design websites. |
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| 07:51.41 | TZug | now I have a strange behaviour when I'm browsing the history, after a few selections the prompt moves a few keys to the right and leaves the left side with keys from the last selected history item and overwrites the actual prompt input. wich is a bit irritating |
| 07:51.59 | TZug | is there a way to make 2 line prompts work? |
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| 07:54.15 | TZug | SlayerXP: its for better overview wich user Is active (red for root) not to win a design trophy! |
| 07:55.06 | SlayerXP | TZug: you should never be directly logged in as root. |
| 07:55.43 | SlayerXP | and that will display the username as red always, not just if you're root. |
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| 07:56.39 | TZug | Slayer: different '.bashrc' input in the users directory of course |
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| 07:59.35 | TZug | SlayerXP: I'm building some device drivers and have to jump often from different users to root back and forth and got tired to type whoami so i wanted a much clearer mark as the $ n' #. but thats not the issue. Any Idear how to solve the trubble with the second line? |
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| 08:38.03 | WaterRatj | how do I see where symlinks point to? |
| 08:38.30 | xand | WaterRatj: ls -l |
| 08:38.31 | xand | or readlink |
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| 08:49.36 | WaterRatj | And how do I change my system's timezone permantly? |
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| 08:52.20 | cahoot | !tzdata |
| 08:52.53 | WaterRatj | ? |
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| 08:54.32 | cahoot | WaterRatj: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 08:54.34 | jpinx-eeepc | !time |
| 08:54.35 | dpkg | it has been said that time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2010.08.12 8:54:34, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 08:57.30 | WaterRatj | Why is it that each time I emtpy the motd, on server reboot its back to default? |
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| 08:59.36 | SlayerXP | WaterRatj: because the motd is automatically regenerated. you forgot to google about updating the motd on debian |
| 08:59.39 | petemc | WaterRatj: /etc/motd.tail |
| 08:59.50 | SlayerXP | had you googled, you'd know there's a particular file you need to edit |
| 09:00.44 | WaterRatj | okay, but now it still shows two lines |
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| 09:09.13 | heroxbd | hello. How can I find which process is issuing a lot of icmp packets? |
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| 09:10.52 | AlexC_ | Morning |
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| 09:11.38 | AlexC_ | when installing 5.0.5 on a Dell R210 server, it says it can't load the bnx2 firmware for my network cards - since it's now moved to non-free. It asks me to place the .fw file on an external media and continue. I placed the file on a USB stick however it failed to find the file - what could be the issue? |
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| 09:12.24 | AlexC_ | now, does it want the .fw file or the .deb package? |
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| 09:23.30 | AlexC_ | just in case anyone is interested: it was the entire .deb file, not just the .fw file that it asks for |
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| 09:28.42 | robuster | hello, why do i get 'write error: Operation not permitted' when i'm trying to increase max_user_instances on debian 5? i got root access and never had problems with it earlier |
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| 09:29.13 | lcuk | Hello debian-gods! I have a question.. In a package (foo) I have a Depends: field which specifies a package name only (bar) without mentioning version. If the user already has an old version of this package installed am I correct in thinking that even if a newer bar package is available on the repository, it will not be pulled down and installed and the package will happily install continuing with the older one? |
| 09:29.43 | jpinx-eeepc | lcuk: probably best to use aptitude to resolve dependencies |
| 09:30.02 | jpinx-eeepc | robuster: is the filesystem ro for some reason now¿ |
| 09:30.07 | jpinx-eeepc | ? |
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| 09:30.08 | lcuk | jpinx-eeepc, not possible, its a question specifically about apt-get - I am using maemo which is debian derived |
| 09:30.26 | jpinx-eeepc | lcuk: /join #maemo ;) |
| 09:30.42 | lcuk | I am, but this is specifically about debian packaging policy and how it works ;) |
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| 09:30.51 | robuster | jpinx-eeepc '/dev/simfs' |
| 09:30.55 | jpinx-eeepc | !based on debian |
| 09:30.56 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 09:31.00 | themill | lcuk: please ask them, in that case. As soon as you start telling us that what we recommend isn't appropriate to your distro, that's enough evidence that you're in the wrong place. |
| 09:31.13 | jpinx-eeepc | lcuk: ââ |
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| 09:31.35 | lcuk | reasonable enough, thanks anyway guys |
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| 09:31.47 | robuster | jpinx-eeepc any ideas what i can do to increase the max_user_instances? |
| 09:32.08 | jpinx-eeepc | lcuk: I'll be getting a N900 soon so I'll see you there ;) |
| 09:32.43 | lcuk | jpinx-eeepc haha cool, they are uber cool |
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| 09:33.53 | lcuk | <crashanddie_> lcuk: yeah, that's my assumption as well. I would ask in #debian though :P |
| 09:33.56 | lcuk | *facepalm* ;) |
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| 09:34.54 | FabParma | Debian set my id at 1001 automatically. It is normal? |
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| 09:35.40 | project2501a | on the debian wiki, can we reference articles on wikipedia? |
| 09:35.40 | jpinx-eeepc | slaps lcuk around with a fresh trout |
| 09:35.51 | project2501a | slaps jpinx-eeepc with some rotten whale |
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| 09:36.12 | jelly | FabParma: you can inspect /etc/passwd for any previously created users |
| 09:36.17 | lcuk | o_O trout slapping is normally something associated with Swedish devs |
| 09:36.21 | jpinx-eeepc | project2501a: try it and see - they'll slap YOU if it's not allowed :p |
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| 09:37.24 | FabParma | jelly, I am the first. I installed Debian yesterday |
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| 09:38.49 | FabParma | in the wile, what is the lowest id ### for a non root user? |
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| 09:39.30 | greenmang0 | hello friends, can anybody tell me the reason behind using bigmem linux kernel for more than 4GB ram systems? |
| 09:41.31 | jelly | FabParma: the installed used to ask for a username and create that first one with uid 1000 |
| 09:41.44 | jelly | installer*\ |
| 09:42.19 | project2501a | IN SOVIET RUSSIA |
| 09:42.20 | jelly | greenmang0: are you asking why it's needed at all, or why it isn't the default? |
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| 09:44.22 | jelly | !tell greenmang0 about pae |
| 09:44.24 | jelly | !tell greenmang0 about bigmem |
| 09:45.13 | jelly | greenmang0: it's not default because it has degraded performance compared to the stock -686 flavor build |
| 09:46.27 | gps23_ | how can i set memory limit for a process? |
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| 09:47.31 | greenmang0 | thanks jelly |
| 09:47.45 | greenmang0 | !thanks dpkg |
| 09:47.45 | dpkg | de nada, greenmang0 |
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| 09:53.53 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 09:54.57 | gypsymauro | I want to mirror with raid a partition of a 320 GB hd on a 250 GB hard disk, I wlways used sfdisk -d /dev/disc1 | sfdisk /dev/disc2 but now that the second fisc is littler than the used one I dunno how to replicate my partition on the second disc, any hint? |
| 09:55.22 | jacekowski | impossible |
| 09:55.26 | jacekowski | it has to be at least same size |
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| 09:56.12 | jelly | gypsymauro: does the partition you're trying to mirror fit on the 250GB disk? |
| 09:56.14 | gps23_ | is there any way to limit amount of memory a process may use? |
| 09:56.39 | project2501a | yes: man ulimit |
| 09:56.52 | jelly | gypsymauro: if it does, just partition the disk manually instead of cloning the partition table |
| 09:57.07 | gypsymauro | jelly: of course |
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| 09:57.22 | gps23_ | project2501a: it sets file size limit |
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| 09:58.05 | gypsymauro | jelly: but it has a size of 60003,42 MB... just I type it and it will be equal? |
| 09:58.06 | project2501a | it also sets other things, including process memory limit |
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| 09:58.24 | AlexC_ | gps23_: not entirely. Take a look into /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 09:58.42 | greenmang0 | jelly, so it means that if I want to use 4GiB RAM on a x86 system, I will have to enable PAE and have to install bigmem kernel |
| 09:58.44 | jelly | gypsymauro: use a tool that displays the size in sectors. |
| 09:59.28 | jelly | greenmang0: or an amd64 kernel if the cpu is 64bit capable, yes |
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| 09:59.54 | greenmang0 | jelly, yeah... thanks again :) |
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| 10:00.04 | jacekowski | well, pae doesn't solve address space issue |
| 10:00.27 | gps23_ | AlexC_: yes, sorry, it limits memory too, but it would apply on all processes |
| 10:00.45 | gps23_ | AlexC_: is there any way to only apply limit on a single process? like only on google-chrome |
| 10:01.19 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:01.20 | jacekowski | ulimit |
| 10:01.55 | gps23_ | jacekowski: i want to apply limit only to a single process |
| 10:02.06 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:02.07 | jacekowski | ulimit |
| 10:02.18 | jacekowski | how many times do you want me to repeat it |
| 10:02.22 | jelly | feels like listening to a broken record |
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| 10:02.56 | jelly | jacekowski: if a user is still clueless, you might want to explain it in more detail, or refer to the documentation |
| 10:03.18 | AlexC_ | yeah, especially since the man page for 'ulimit' doesn't explain much .... |
| 10:03.24 | jelly | (refer them, that is) |
| 10:03.47 | jacekowski | chromium has a wrapper |
| 10:03.52 | jacekowski | just add ulimit -m something in it |
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| 10:04.11 | jacekowski | and it will only limit chromium |
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| 10:04.43 | AlexC_ | jacekowski: ulimit -m foo; command type thing? |
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| 10:05.00 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:05.23 | gps23_ | jacekowski: -m needs resident set size after it |
| 10:05.24 | AlexC_ | that would do it for all future processes though, no? Unless you do (ulimit -m foo; command) surely? |
| 10:05.51 | jelly | AlexC_: ulimit is a shell builtin and applies to the current process and all its children. Thus, if you enable it in a shell script ending with foo or exec foo, it will apply to foo. |
| 10:05.52 | jacekowski | AlexC_: just for childrens of that specific shell |
| 10:06.17 | AlexC_ | jelly ah, that makes sense |
| 10:06.27 | jacekowski | gps23_: yes |
| 10:06.40 | jacekowski | gps23_: that's why i said ulimit -m something |
| 10:07.15 | simplytesting | when i install ubuntu my monitor plays nicely with X.org but when i install Lenny i just get 'mode not supported'. my monitor is compaq fp745a. how should i approach the problem? |
| 10:07.15 | gps23_ | jacekowski: like if i am doing "ulimit -m 1; google-chrome". chrome shouldn't open as resident set size is too small. but its opening. |
| 10:07.51 | jacekowski | try ulimit -m 1; ulimit -a; google-chrome |
| 10:07.55 | jacekowski | what does ulimit -a show |
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| 10:08.21 | gps23_ | jacekowski: it shows -m: resident set size (kbytes) 1 |
| 10:08.35 | gps23_ | jacekowski: among other limits |
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| 10:11.02 | gps23_ | jacekowski: does it need ulimit support in kernel? |
| 10:11.10 | greenmang0 | jelly, is bigmem kernel available for distros other than Debian? |
| 10:11.22 | jacekowski | greenmang0: you can build your own kernel |
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| 10:13.03 | gps23 | jacekowski: sorry i got disconnected |
| 10:13.27 | gps23 | jacekowski: does ulimit need some kernel option to be enabled? |
| 10:13.36 | jacekowski | nothing special |
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| 10:14.07 | greenmang0 | jacekowski, no, i am asking if it is already available in their respective repos |
| 10:14.10 | gps23 | jacekowski: its not doing anything |
| 10:14.59 | gps23 | jacekowski: -s 1 is working |
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| 10:59.37 | frikinz | awww 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 049 034 045 Old_age Always In_the_past 51 (Lifetime Min/Max 23/55) |
| 10:59.42 | frikinz | what does that mean? |
| 11:00.03 | frikinz | ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE |
| 11:00.36 | frikinz | I guess I have to clean the laptop. |
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| 11:00.53 | jelly | or lower the ambient temperature |
| 11:01.42 | frikinz | fridge is too small for us to fit in.. |
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| 11:01.57 | frikinz | its 20degre celcius in here. should be fine |
| 11:02.29 | jelly | 49°C is high but not alarmingly high for a laptop disk |
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| 11:03.09 | burst_error | how do i get apt to download 'foo' w/o 'foo-bar' but not eliminate the other deps? |
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| 11:03.42 | frikinz | threshold 45 .. |
| 11:04.14 | abrotman | burst_error: that's a bit vague .. but try `aptitude -R install foo` |
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| 11:04.18 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.23 | jelly | burst_error: you don't. There's an apt-get --print-uris download foo to show links for the packages |
| 11:04.53 | frikinz | yes I am not sure how to interpret the data if it's raw or engineered degrees |
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| 11:05.21 | jelly | frikinz: use hddtemp |
| 11:05.42 | jelly | frikinz: it says raw value is "51" |
| 11:05.43 | burst_error | abrotman: jelly: im trying to install the wesnoth binary but i dont want to pull down 'wesnoth-1.8-music' |
| 11:05.46 | frikinz | worst 34?? hum so the worst is the lowest. |
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| 11:06.19 | abrotman | burst_error: you probably can't |
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| 11:06.25 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 11:06.25 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 11:06.26 | burst_error | D: |
| 11:06.32 | wodarh | hi |
| 11:06.43 | jelly | burst_error: if it's a Recommended dependency, you can use options for that. If it's Depends, you can't do much without going in and changing the package. |
| 11:06.58 | jelly | ,versions wesnoth-1.8 |
| 11:07.00 | abrotman | burst_error: which version of debian ? |
| 11:07.01 | judd | wesnoth-1.8 -- lenny-backports: 1:1.8.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.8.3-1; squeeze: 1:1.8.3-1 |
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| 11:07.19 | frikinz | jelly: Starting disk temperature monitoring daemon: hddtemp: no disks with monitoring capability were found |
| 11:07.22 | abrotman | burst_error: use the command i gave you, it's a Recommends |
| 11:08.01 | jelly | frikinz: hddptemp /dev/whatev |
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| 11:08.06 | jelly | s/p// |
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| 11:08.35 | frikinz | /dev/sda: TOSHIBA MK5055GSX: no sensor |
| 11:08.41 | FabParma | It is long time that I don used a Debian. The latest was the etch 4 ... I am trying to enter as root via GDM but it says "Authentication error". Is it that now it is forbidden? |
| 11:08.45 | frikinz | or no definition found |
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| 11:09.05 | wodarh | does anyone knows how debian handles orphan pid files after a kernel panic? |
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| 11:09.52 | jacekowski | it's up to init script |
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| 11:12.27 | burst_error | abrotman: still on lenny. tried lenny -> squeeze but xorg killed me. |
| 11:12.36 | frikinz | I'll put it in the fridge and see how the "Value" fluctuates cause now it went from 49 to 53 :/ |
| 11:12.46 | craigevil | FabParma: in the gdm settings there is an option for login as root |
| 11:13.17 | abrotman | burst_error: Oh, let me call the police and have them talk to xorg |
| 11:13.21 | wodarh | jacekowski: by init script you don't mean the debian init but myprogram init? |
| 11:13.28 | abrotman | burst_error: nvidia? fglrx? |
| 11:13.53 | FabParma | craigevil, thanks |
| 11:14.04 | abrotman | burst_error: and the aptitude -R should still keep it from installing |
| 11:14.55 | FabParma | craigevil, even if im using the latest testing? |
| 11:15.04 | jacekowski | wodarh: yes |
| 11:15.38 | project2501a | yo |
| 11:15.51 | project2501a | apparently there used to be an OpenMosix kernel patch |
| 11:15.53 | craigevil | FabParma: yes, not using gdm but its in there some where |
| 11:15.57 | project2501a | apparently there used to be an OpenMosix kernel package |
| 11:16.03 | project2501a | but i cannot find it any more |
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| 11:16.51 | jelly | wodarh: the particular service /etc/init.d/foo script, or foo service itself, ought to manage it itself |
| 11:18.43 | frikinz | so the last value is the temperature. it went from 51 to 44 |
| 11:18.45 | wodarh | hmm... jelly jacekowski ok, got the point my problem now, this script can't handle this on it's own, it will be called by pacemaker various times |
| 11:19.04 | FabParma | craigevil, i searched a couple of hours w/o success. even google don't knows ... |
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| 11:20.59 | ironm | Hi guas :) ... it looks like there is no "kpdf" package for squeeze - I don't like to use acroread .. is there another "free" choice? |
| 11:21.11 | ironm | guys .. |
| 11:21.19 | abrotman | ironm: xpdf |
| 11:21.21 | Bushmills | evince, xpdf |
| 11:21.22 | abrotman | or evince |
| 11:21.30 | abrotman | would use evince, but it's gnome-ish |
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| 11:21.43 | abrotman | dpkg: why is kpdf not in testing |
| 11:21.43 | dpkg | kpdf is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=kpdf |
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| 11:21.58 | abrotman | oh .. there's no kpdf in debian at all ... |
| 11:22.10 | jelly | abrotman: okular |
| 11:22.46 | abrotman | ah, see .. tell ironm that! |
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| 11:23.27 | ironm | hi abrotman .. thank you :) |
| 11:23.43 | abrotman | ironm: jelly says okular is the pdf reader in kde now |
| 11:24.11 | ironm | thank you abrotman and jelly :) |
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| 11:25.20 | ironm | I will try xpdf |
| 11:26.21 | frikinz | ok "value" is 100 - hd_temp. so it was 100-49=51 degrees. while the max was 55. Have to open the beast |
| 11:26.34 | jacekowski | 55 |
| 11:26.37 | jacekowski | that's not bad |
| 11:26.51 | jacekowski | is it a laptop? |
| 11:26.58 | frikinz | it's now on ice (with a tissue in between) and is now at 40 degrees :) |
| 11:27.03 | frikinz | jacekowski: yes |
| 11:27.18 | abrotman | you put ice near electronics? and you're worried about the HDD heat? |
| 11:27.24 | frikinz | HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC |
| 11:27.35 | jelly | abrotman: there's a tissue in between! |
| 11:27.37 | frikinz | abrotman: tissue is drie |
| 11:27.40 | frikinz | dry |
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| 11:27.59 | frikinz | I am not _that_ crazy |
| 11:28.07 | ironm | abrotman: BTW .. there is no xpdf .deb for squeeze |
| 11:28.11 | jacekowski | i was running my laptop at 90C |
| 11:28.11 | jacekowski | whole laptop |
| 11:28.11 | jacekowski | OCed graphic OCed cpu |
| 11:28.15 | WaterR[a]tj | How do I execute a command as another user from root? |
| 11:28.24 | frikinz | jacekowski: but not the hdd? |
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| 11:28.34 | jacekowski | hdd was warm as well |
| 11:28.36 | frikinz | my cpus often goes to 92.. |
| 11:28.53 | jacekowski | i sometimes left on my bed |
| 11:28.55 | jacekowski | covered |
| 11:29.06 | jacekowski | with game still running |
| 11:29.13 | frikinz | yes same here, in the sun, on a sofa compiling a kernel .. |
| 11:29.19 | jacekowski | it was too hot to touch after leaving it for a while |
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| 11:29.49 | jacekowski | that reminds me |
| 11:29.54 | jacekowski | i have to fix my headphones jack |
| 11:29.59 | craigevil | FabParma: there is an option in the GUI but since i am not running gdm i havent a clue where, so take a look at http://jaxov.com/2009/09/how-to-login-disable-enable-root-user-in-ubuntu-linux/ |
| 11:30.01 | abrotman | WaterR[a]tj: su - user -c 'command' |
| 11:30.03 | jacekowski | because headphone detection got stuck |
| 11:30.10 | jacekowski | and now i don't have sound trough speakers |
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| 11:32.07 | jelly | ironm: aptitude search ~Ppdf-viewer |
| 11:32.09 | frikinz | ok, 36 degres, time to remove the ice |
| 11:32.32 | frikinz | wood tables are really not good |
| 11:32.33 | ironm | thank you jelly .. I try: apt-get install evince |
| 11:32.46 | abrotman | ironm: are you sure you don't want okular? |
| 11:32.56 | burst_error | abrotman: neither one man. its an integrated intel 82810. said something about xserver-xorg-core (--configure) |
| 11:33.05 | ironm | abrotman: I will check okular too .. *sorry* |
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| 11:33.11 | jelly | ironm: aptitude is now the preferred tool, btw |
| 11:33.14 | abrotman | burst_error: doesn't sound normal .. but i'm sure you can get help here if you need it |
| 11:33.17 | TZug | my HP turns off wenn it gets to hot, did you turn of some safety measures? |
| 11:33.29 | craigevil | okular is awesome, remembers the last open page, and it supports quite a bit more than just pdfs |
| 11:33.34 | ironm | jelly: ... hmm .. new for me .. what will happen with apt-get? |
| 11:33.36 | burst_error | abrotman: not normal indeed XD |
| 11:33.39 | SauLus | Hi, I need a solution to log out users at a specified time. I just know pam_time, which restricts logon-times. But it does not help when the system stays on all day. |
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| 11:34.30 | abrotman | burst_error: feel like trying now? :) |
| 11:35.08 | SauLus | jelly: if aptitude is preferred, why all the tuts on debian, ubuntu, mint ... use apt-get? Even the officials do. I really wonder about this incident. Obviously aptitude is far better. |
| 11:36.17 | Bushmills | at time <<< "pkill -u user" |
| 11:36.18 | ironm | abrotman: ironm# apt-get install okular ;) |
| 11:36.31 | SauLus | craigevil: so does evince. A good competitor. Both are extremely fast and preferable to adobe acroread. |
| 11:36.51 | SauLus | Bushmills: I am looking for an automated solution |
| 11:36.54 | ironm | SauLus: I don't like adobe .. |
| 11:37.16 | SauLus | ironm: I said okular and evince are much better than acroread ;) |
| 11:37.22 | didar | SauLus, how about putting it in cron? |
| 11:37.25 | ironm | yes SauLus :) |
| 11:37.26 | Bushmills | at $generated_time <<< ... |
| 11:38.09 | SauLus | didar: this is the only solution I know. But it would be nice to have a server solution. If I use crontab I have to set the crontab on every client. |
| 11:38.10 | burst_error | abrotman: it may have been some weird config i had. i rolled to a virgin back up... wen apt is done grabbing wesnoth ill give it a go :D |
| 11:38.49 | craigevil | SauLus: okluar supports more, compare http://live.gnome.org/Evince/SupportedDocumentFormats http://okular.kde.org/formats.php including epub |
| 11:39.12 | abrotman | burst_error: of course .. i tell you that, but I may disappear, boo work! |
| 11:39.26 | jelly | SauLus: ask them. |
| 11:39.48 | jelly | !tell SauLus about why aptitude |
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| 11:40.15 | didar | SauLus, what kind of clients? |
| 11:41.03 | jelly | I've tried both and evince has a number of UI quirks that okular doesn't have. Okular is more friendly to me, YMMV. |
| 11:41.04 | ironm | abrotman: / jelly ... BTW ... when running evince with KDE I am getting some errors http://paste.debian.net/82920/ |
| 11:41.06 | SauLus | craigevil: interesting. Lots of formats on that page I have never used. But the thing both missing is backward search in dvi files to open the tex(t) editor at the current word by clicking in the dvi viewer. This only xdvi can achieve |
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| 11:42.53 | SauLus | didar: I have a network with a ldap-server, nfs shares and some clients. These clients shouldnt be able to use the computer all day long and have logon/logoff-times. I have treated the windows-wold to let the computers shutdown at specified times by adjusting the samba server. For the linux world i am looking for a solution. |
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| 11:44.45 | project2501a | is there a kernel timeline? |
| 11:45.06 | project2501a | i would like to see when did 2.6.20 came out |
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| 11:45.15 | FabParma | craigevil, thanks for the link. i searched specifically for Debian ignoring that U. is a derivation ... |
| 11:45.31 | SauLus | so you accidantly dont have any suggestions for me apart from crontabs? |
| 11:47.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | project2501a: upstream? look at the git tags (thats more of a question for ##linux though) |
| 11:47.26 | didar | SauLus, you basically want to close the network connections from the server of specific users at specific times? |
| 11:47.49 | abrotman | project2501a: check the kernel.org archives .. that's a pretty easy question to answer |
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| 11:48.42 | SauLus | didar: I want to log off a user when he is not allowed to be logged on. |
| 11:49.02 | project2501a | Kamping_Kaiser: *nod* |
| 11:49.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesn't gnome have session limits like that available? |
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| 11:49.45 | SauLus | didar: what did you think about at your last question? Do you have any iptables-solution to stop the usage of the internet at a time? That also would be very interesting. |
| 11:50.12 | abrotman | SauLus: which version of Debian is it? |
| 11:51.27 | SauLus | abrotman: how do I know? ;) lsb_release does not work ... . I think its debian lenny |
| 11:51.41 | abrotman | SauLus: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 11:52.00 | abrotman | lsb_release should work if it's debian |
| 11:52.39 | SauLus | abrotman: my /etc/apt/sources.list lists debian-stable and lenny-backports. |
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| 11:52.46 | abrotman | SauLus: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 11:52.53 | SauLus | uname -r is 2.6.26-2-vserver-686 |
| 11:52.57 | didar | SauLus, iptables has the "time" module which could be used to block internet connection |
| 11:53.18 | dokma | Do iso images contain their md5 sums within them selves? It sounds like a catch 22 to me so I suppose they do not... |
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| 11:53.38 | didar | SauLus, but.. when you say clients - I am assuming users on other machines accessing NFS shares |
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| 11:53.56 | abrotman | there is a way to verify the contents from the installer |
| 11:54.09 | SauLus | abrotman: lsb_release now says "No LSB modules are available." |
| 11:54.13 | jahil | hi everyone |
| 11:54.18 | SauLus | didar: right! |
| 11:54.37 | didar | SauLus, these connectiosn would be a little difficult to close |
| 11:54.43 | abrotman | SauLus: i've seen something like what you're looking for, can't find it now though |
| 11:54.49 | jahil | how to capture youtube audio with snd-dummy module |
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| 11:54.57 | abrotman | though it might have been for a whole system, not a single user |
| 11:55.19 | SauLus | abrotman: Im hanging in this channel for years and in the future. So whenever you remember PLEASE give me a note! |
| 11:55.40 | SauLus | abrotman: I want to apply this to all my users in my ldap tree |
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| 11:55.52 | abrotman | SauLus: did you look at a web proxy like squid or dansguardian ? |
| 11:55.58 | didar | SauLus, why not shut the NFS service? |
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| 11:56.28 | didar | SauLus, of course that could leave hung clients |
| 11:56.43 | SauLus | abrotman: yes. I had them running but you can pass them using ssl and these days there are ssl-proxies out there that tunnel your clients traffic at all times. And I do not want to prevent SSL. |
| 11:56.46 | abrotman | i thought he wanted to leave NFS working ? |
| 11:56.47 | didar | without proper NFS mount options |
| 11:57.01 | frikinz | project2501a: 62d0cfcb27cf755cebdc93ca95dabc83608007cd 2007/02/04 |
| 11:57.12 | didar | oh ok abrotman |
| 11:57.15 | SauLus | didar: yes. Hung clients is not a nice status. |
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| 11:57.42 | SauLus | and yes. Some clients shall still be able to use nfs |
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| 11:58.51 | thewanderer1 | hey, I install GRUB2 (grub-pc) and all I see is a command prompt, however I can't type - I only have a USB keyboard and it doesn't seem to work in grub command line |
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| 11:59.26 | stack | hi, I'm using wvdial on a huawei e220 and I would like to know how to disable roaming. |
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| 11:59.55 | SauLus | thewanderer1: if your usb-keyboard does not work go into bios and set up USB-Compatibility mode |
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| 12:00.29 | thewanderer1 | SauLus: it's not possible - and the keyboard does not work in PXE either :P |
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| 12:00.44 | thewanderer1 | really, keyboard support here sucks and I have no PS/2 :( |
| 12:01.00 | SauLus | thewanderer1: why this is not possible? |
| 12:01.02 | thewanderer1 | if I install grub with a custom --modules option, the PC just reboots over and over |
| 12:01.15 | thewanderer1 | SauLus: no such BIOS option - it does not emulate PS/2 keyboards |
| 12:01.33 | thewanderer1 | BIOS supports it, but does not emulate it for PXE client nor GRUB |
| 12:02.16 | thewanderer1 | all I need now is to make GRUB stop rebooting the computer over and over |
| 12:02.26 | burst_error | alright... lets do this |
| 12:03.32 | thewanderer1 | I'm using --modules "biosdisk ext2 lvm mdraid usb usb_keyboard linux" -- what am I missing and why does it reboot instead of showing me GRUB prompt on booting? |
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| 12:05.03 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you might want to ask #grub if they are awake |
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| 12:06.59 | didar | SauLus, interesting problem ... how do we match the NFS connections to individual users ... wonder whether info from nfsstat help |
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| 12:11.01 | SauLus | didar: nfsstat seems unusable for my purpose afaik |
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| 12:12.00 | ZNC-Titan | Hello |
| 12:12.10 | didar | SauLus, if we are able to map the NFS connections to the users then it can be done |
| 12:12.18 | Raptors23 | Can someone please link me to the testing repos |
| 12:12.19 | Raptors23 | thanks |
| 12:12.22 | burst_error | abrotman: just so we're on the same page and for confirmation, here is my sources.list |
| 12:12.25 | elik | can I change the partition type without fearing for data loss? |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | burst_error: in a pastebin, right? |
| 12:12.41 | burst_error | whoops! |
| 12:12.48 | burst_error | http://paste.debian.net/82923/ |
| 12:12.49 | abrotman | Raptors23: huh? You want the installer? |
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| 12:13.04 | abrotman | burst_error: seems reasonable |
| 12:13.13 | Raptors23 | abrotman, no. I just want to testing repos |
| 12:13.14 | ZNC-Titan | I need to set a modprobe option everytime i start if i want my capture card to work properly |
| 12:13.16 | abrotman | burst_error: make sure your kernel metapckage is installed |
| 12:13.23 | Raptors23 | to add to my source.list |
| 12:13.26 | SauLus | didar: I prefer to log out the user so he cant waste time using local services as eg watching dvb-t |
| 12:13.26 | ZNC-Titan | How can i do it auto? |
| 12:13.31 | abrotman | Raptors23: there is a list of mirrors at debian.org/mirrors/list and man sources.list |
| 12:13.42 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: /etc/modules |
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| 12:13.52 | ZNC-Titan | Ah ok |
| 12:14.17 | SauLus | elik: if you want to change from ext3 to ext4: yes. In all (to me known) cases: NO! |
| 12:14.21 | project2501a | http://wiki.debian.org/StartaBeowulf can i get a review please? |
| 12:14.41 | project2501a | i think it is totally up to date. |
| 12:15.33 | elik | I don't want to change the fs, just the partition type (Linux LVM to Linux raid auto detect) |
| 12:15.47 | Raptors23 | abrotman, I want the testing repo... |
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| 12:16.22 | elik | I'm setting up a lvm on raid, and chose the wrong partition type (lvm rather than raid) when I set it up yesterday. I'd like to make it right, but I don't exactly feel like copying all my data over again -_- |
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| 12:16.50 | didar | SauLus, have a look at www.nufw.org |
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| 12:17.03 | SauLus | elik: thats even more dangerous as it is the basis for the fs. Correct me if Im wrong, but if you think about layers and a change of the FS-layer is dangerous, a change on the layer underneath is even more dangerous |
| 12:17.42 | elik | for all I know, the partition TYPE is just 2 bytes in the partition table :S |
| 12:18.03 | abrotman | Raptors: no, you want squeeze |
| 12:18.08 | burst_error | abrotman: 3which one is recommended? |
| 12:18.11 | abrotman | !tell Raptors about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:18.13 | SauLus | elik: make a backup and give it a try ;) |
| 12:18.18 | abrotman | burst_error: which kernel do you have now? |
| 12:18.24 | abrotman | burst_error: 'uname -r' |
| 12:18.28 | burst_error | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:18.48 | abrotman | burst_error: so make sure linux-image-686 is installed, if it's not we'll change your sources back and fix that |
| 12:18.57 | abrotman | or at least linux-image-2.6-686 is installed |
| 12:19.50 | Raptors | its not a good thing to have sid repos and squeeze right? |
| 12:19.50 | elik | SauLus, already got a backup, but copying 500G of data is starting to get annoying |
| 12:19.50 | abrotman | Raptors: no, that's how you break your computer |
| 12:19.50 | Raptors | ya, that's what I was thinking :| |
| 12:19.51 | Raptors | abrotman, do you know how many days behind sid testing is on average? |
| 12:19.55 | Raptors | 1 month? |
| 12:20.04 | abrotman | Raptors: do NOT use sid .. your system will break |
| 12:20.33 | abrotman | Raptors: please use either lenny or squeeze |
| 12:20.38 | Raptors | well people said its find to use if you know what you're doing... |
| 12:20.45 | Raptors | fine* |
| 12:20.59 | abrotman | obviously, you do not |
| 12:21.07 | Raptors | "( |
| 12:21.09 | Raptors | :( |
| 12:21.14 | elik | Raptors, you asked for it |
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| 12:21.32 | abrotman | if you're asking these types of basic questions, you are clearly not capable of running unstable |
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| 12:22.01 | Raptors | I could always learn the hard way. lol |
| 12:22.04 | SauLus | didar: this is a nice fw concept. I dont see any advantage to the iptables time module. And I dont see that it can logoff the users. Or did I miss something? |
| 12:22.13 | burst_error | abrotman: linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 12:22.18 | abrotman | burst_error: good |
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| 12:22.29 | thewanderer1 | #grub is of no help |
| 12:22.38 | abrotman | Raptors: people running unstable are expected to be able to fix their own problems |
| 12:23.27 | didar | SauLus, no the time module would blindly deny connections, not log them off. So far, I can only recommend scripting a cronjob :( |
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| 12:24.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | have you checked for gnome/kde autologout utilities? |
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| 12:24.12 | SauLus | didar: does the nufw log them off? |
| 12:24.32 | dockimble | hey |
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| 12:24.59 | dockimble | i'm using a computer without a right mouse click button |
| 12:25.10 | dockimble | how might one program that for the keypad |
| 12:25.32 | didar | SauLus, no no. NuFW just another firewall - at most it can deny connections |
| 12:25.55 | abrotman | dockimble: you could probably google that, macs don't have two buttons either, see how they do it |
| 12:26.20 | elik | abrotman, can I have your advise on the partition type? I setup lvm on raid, but didn't pick the right partition type from the start (8e rather than fd). I setup my raid and lvm on top of that. Can I just change it? |
| 12:26.23 | ama | dockimble: map it to cursors and ctr+L/R ? probably involves using X c-code |
| 12:26.43 | SauLus | ok didar, then I will write a script that sets up all the desired cronjobs to execute on every client :\ |
| 12:26.51 | SauLus | ty for your time |
| 12:26.54 | abrotman | elik: doubtful .. |
| 12:26.58 | burst_error | abrotman: apt update, full-upgrade time? |
| 12:27.19 | abrotman | burst_error: aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude dpkg && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 12:27.44 | burst_error | wish me luck! |
| 12:27.49 | abrotman | waits for themill to free out |
| 12:28.17 | didar | SauLus, you need only one script and a data file - these just need to be pushed out to the clients, right? |
| 12:28.54 | burst_error | Err http://volatile.debian.org squeeze/volatile/main Packages 404 Not Found |
| 12:28.58 | SauLus | elik: since you have a backup and cant do anything else except trying I would give it a try and then forefully check the filesystems and the LVM with all available tools. Then all fs using fdisc and cfdisc. Then I would test the system for some days, copying large files. Then I bit by bit would start to feel like having a relyable solution |
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| 12:29.16 | dockimble | is there a tutorial for that somewhere |
| 12:29.28 | SauLus | didar: right. Pushed and executed |
| 12:29.46 | abrotman | burst_error: ignore it, it will be there later |
| 12:29.57 | elik | SauLus, at that rate, I think I'll start over again :P |
| 12:30.09 | elik | curse mdadm for not warning |
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| 12:30.57 | dekroning | how can i figure out which type of monitor i've got connected to my computer? without having to have X started |
| 12:31.00 | danboid | Seems that if you install squeeze netinst w/o a net connection at install time you end up with a sources.list with nothing but your cd listed. Is there no quick way to populate sources.list with the correct mirrors after install? |
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| 12:31.37 | abrotman | danboid: you can use apt-spy or netselect-apt .. of course, you would need a valid source to be able to install them |
| 12:31.58 | SauLus | elik: just for interest. Before rebuilding everything just do it and give us a report please |
| 12:31.59 | abrotman | danboid: there is a list of mirrors at debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 12:32.07 | didar | SauLus, good luck :) |
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| 12:32.30 | SauLus | hrhr, thank you didar :) |
| 12:32.47 | didar | ;) |
| 12:33.35 | danboid | abrotman, not so good. So if you don't have another computer to d/l a sources.list you'd be buggered? |
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| 12:34.41 | abrotman | danboid: no, man sources.list .. they're easy to create, if you pick a mirror, i can create one for you |
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| 12:35.52 | SauLus | didar: let me reformulate my question: On samba the windows clients do what I want because samba executes scripts on the client machines at specified times. In this manner samba serves as an execution-server. Is there a linux service that executes scripts on other machines? |
| 12:36.24 | thewanderer1 | my PC reboots instead of displaying GRUB2 - what can be the raason? |
| 12:36.25 | didar | abrotman, ftp.XX.debian.org, where XX is the country code, work - don't they? |
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| 12:36.38 | abrotman | didar: yes .. but i generally don't use those |
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| 12:37.00 | didar | SauLus, ahhh |
| 12:37.00 | jelly | SauLus: ssh! |
| 12:37.25 | didar | SauLus, something like a job dispatcher |
| 12:37.52 | danboid | abrotman, Well thankfully I do have a second computer so I can d/l apt-spy or netselect-apt. Which one s the easiest? |
| 12:38.26 | burst_error | "Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/" ignore? |
| 12:38.26 | abrotman | danboid: i said i can write one for you, it's really not hard |
| 12:38.32 | abrotman | burst_error: you probably can't |
| 12:38.44 | abrotman | danboid: choose a mirror near you, i'll give you the line |
| 12:39.04 | danboid | mirrorservice uk |
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| 12:39.33 | WaterRatj | why can't I install ncurses? |
| 12:39.39 | abrotman | tries to get this rigth the first time :) |
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| 12:39.57 | danboid | WaterRatj, ncurses by name.. |
| 12:39.58 | abrotman | danboid: "deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 12:40.04 | abrotman | WaterRatj: libncurses you mean ? |
| 12:40.16 | WaterRatj | well mysql needs ncurses to compile |
| 12:40.20 | WaterRatj | so guess i only need the lib? |
| 12:40.24 | didar | SauLus, pssh might be what you need |
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| 12:41.18 | danboid | abrotman, thanks |
| 12:41.29 | elik | SauLus, alright |
| 12:41.29 | SauLus | yeah, ssh / pssh. Of course! the problem is whenever the user plugs the cable out. How can I react to such an event (how do I notice)! |
| 12:41.33 | elik | I'll report tonight |
| 12:41.38 | SauLus | fine elik |
| 12:41.39 | elik | I'll have to do it from work |
| 12:41.44 | elik | thx SauLus |
| 12:41.47 | abrotman | danboid: then aptitude update .. then you'll also need a "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" |
| 12:42.18 | ScottG | Flash is not working in google-chrome. However, I tested it out in Firefox as well and it still isn't working. about:plugins is empty for both browsers. Could someone help me get Flash working? |
| 12:42.25 | abrotman | danboid: and you may or may not want the volatile stuff (currently doesn't exist) |
| 12:42.29 | didar | SauLus, now that is a smart user ;) |
| 12:42.43 | abrotman | ScottG: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so .. says what? |
| 12:43.18 | ScottG | abrotman: ls: cannot access /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so: No such file or directory |
| 12:43.31 | abrotman | ScottG: how did you install flash? |
| 12:43.55 | ScottG | abrotman: i flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:44.10 | abrotman | that should create that file |
| 12:44.13 | ScottG | abrotman: Firefox is not my main browser, btw. I only used it in this case to test it out |
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| 12:44.22 | abrotman | you mean iceweasel ? |
| 12:44.26 | ScottG | Yes... |
| 12:44.33 | karme | is virtinst/virt-manager/lenny good to setup/manage kvm-based vms? |
| 12:44.39 | abrotman | is there a /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ with anything in it ? |
| 12:45.04 | ScottG | abrotman: It exists but is empty |
| 12:45.20 | abrotman | no clue how you have flash .. i'd check ~/.mozilla/ |
| 12:45.22 | didar | SauLus, noticing cable unplugging means to constantly keep pinging the machines ... waste of time and resource. |
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| 12:45.40 | stew | abrotman: isn't his point that he doesn't have flash? |
| 12:45.50 | ScottG | abrotman: It was working fine until I did a fairly large upgrade a few days ago. |
| 12:46.08 | abrotman | stew: he says it works in IW, not in chrome |
| 12:46.19 | ScottG | abrotman: No it DOESN"T work in either |
| 12:46.19 | stew | about:plugins is empty for both browsers |
| 12:46.31 | abrotman | ScottG: sorry, i thought it did work .. reinstall flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:46.41 | abrotman | readjusts his eyeballs |
| 12:46.50 | ScottG | abrotman: Would installing flashplayer-mozilla do anything? |
| 12:47.00 | razvand | Hi! I've installed libc6-dbg. I've used dpkg -L libc6-dbg and found there's a libc6.so library in /usr/lib/debug. How can I use it to debug a program with GDB -- and also print symbol information from the library? |
| 12:47.03 | didar | SauLus, I think the best approach is to create a script, daemonized would be nice, which wakes up every other second or maybe even 10 seconds and boots the user out |
| 12:47.18 | ScottG | abrotman: Should i aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree then install or or just install it again? |
| 12:47.30 | abrotman | ScottG: aptitude reinstall |
| 12:47.40 | didar | SauLus, maintain the list of users and the time periods in a "data" file and push it out |
| 12:48.04 | ScottG | abrotman: Ah wasn't aware of that command. I have something interesting for you |
| 12:48.08 | ScottG | abrotman: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the flashplugin-nonfree package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 12:48.24 | abrotman | ScottG: are you running lenny? squeeze? |
| 12:48.32 | ScottG | abrotman: That line twice followed by "E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download" |
| 12:48.36 | ScottG | abrotman: Squeeze |
| 12:48.38 | burst_error | abrotman: i only get E: if i '&&' issue one at a time then full-upgrade? |
| 12:48.51 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 12:48.51 | didar | SauLus, there are things like Puppet and CFengine, but, they would be overkill for this. If you want, roll your own just rsync+cron is enuff |
| 12:48.53 | stew | ScottG: amd64? |
| 12:48.57 | ScottG | stew: Yes |
| 12:49.00 | abrotman | flash gone! |
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| 12:49.07 | abrotman | burst_error: you can do them on separate lines |
| 12:49.31 | stew | ScottG: you'll have to use a 32 bit version or a free version, the non-free version no longer supports amd64 |
| 12:49.33 | abrotman | ScottG: /msg dpkg flash .. amd64 flash has been taken away, it is even more insecure than normal flash, or something |
| 12:49.36 | ScottG | abrotman: stew: I tried the method mentioned at the following website but the last step may have failed for me "http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer" |
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| 12:50.41 | ScottG | abrotman: stew: http://privatepaste.com/e4baae894b |
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| 12:51.09 | abrotman | danboid: everything working for you ? |
| 12:51.30 | SauLus | didar: you mean something like while(true); do sleep 10; AssureCablePlugged(); CheckUserFileAndTimeAndTreatThemRight(); done, which I put in /etc/rc?.d ? |
| 12:51.39 | burst_error | "NEW packages will be installed: xserver-xorg-core [etc etc ...] " here goes nothing! |
| 12:52.12 | danboid | abrotman, Yes thanks, just dist-upgraded. You're doing a stella job as the one-man Deb irc support dude! :) |
| 12:52.31 | thewanderer1 | how to install GRUB2 in chroot? I'm installing from Debian Live to hard disks |
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| 12:52.51 | abrotman | hardly one man |
| 12:52.59 | didar | SauLus, yes. But, why do you want to check for the cable unplugged situation? |
| 12:53.01 | abrotman | !bless burst_error |
| 12:53.01 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child burst_error, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 12:53.30 | thewanderer1 | I've already mounted /dev and /proc, but if I install GRUB2 and boot from that, it just displays GRUB prompt and I can't do anything with my USB keyboard |
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| 12:55.05 | ScottG | abrotman: stew: Can either of you see what might have gone wrong in that paste? |
| 12:55.11 | thewanderer1 | and everytime I try with --modules option, GRUB just reboots my PC instead of displaying anything on the screen |
| 12:55.18 | burst_error | Saint IGNUcius, is that you? XD |
| 12:55.40 | abrotman | ScottG: looks like they changed the tar.gz since that script was created |
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| 12:56.44 | ScottG | abrotman: So what should I do? |
| 12:57.26 | SauLus | didar: cfengine and puppet sound good (I think bcfg2 has the same manner). I prefer, though, to keep it simple and these systems are complex. But the cfengine pull strategy also has its advantages to my push idea... |
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| 12:58.20 | SauLus | didar: If the user pulls out the cable and the shutdown command comes from the server, the users machine does not shutdown ... |
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| 12:58.31 | didar | SauLus, yes they are similar to bcfg2 |
| 12:58.34 | SauLus | this is like hacking my system by just removing the cable ;) |
| 12:59.11 | abrotman | ScottG: you can either alter the script or install it manually |
| 12:59.23 | didar | SauLus, I must say the pulling the cable to deny commands is really ingenious :) |
| 12:59.31 | stew | ScottG: or use gnash |
| 12:59.32 | WaterRatj | Where is the ncurses package? Seems I can't get it directly |
| 13:00.01 | stew | WaterRatj: libncurses5 or libncurses5-dev |
| 13:00.08 | SauLus | But I could create a crontab that every 5minutes says: shutdown in 4 minutes. Then the server needs to send "abort shutdown" in the time the user is allowed to stay online. If the user pulls out the cable the system still shuts down. |
| 13:00.34 | didar | SauLus, will the information about the users and their times be changing much and how many client machine do you need this to be on? |
| 13:00.44 | SauLus | hrhr didar. In this manner the users once "hacked" my samba settings |
| 13:00.48 | abrotman | stew: do you still have the gnash kill button ? |
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| 13:01.24 | SauLus | didar: its a small network with up to 10 distributed(several rooms) clients. |
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| 13:01.39 | SauLus | the time-table will remain unchanged for several months |
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| 13:02.10 | abrotman | stew: btw, do you know the rationale why apt-setup is a udeb instead of a deb ? |
| 13:02.29 | stew | abrotman: because it is used by the installer |
| 13:02.44 | stew | abrotman: and joey was only really interested in maintaining it so far as it is needed by the installer |
| 13:03.18 | stew | abrotman: i don't seem to have a gnash kill button anymore |
| 13:03.30 | thewanderer1 | I get a message about "very similar superblocks" when I try to boot from LVM |
| 13:03.32 | didar | Then just put the script in the cronjob of each client *using* pssh and use pscp to copy the script file to all those clients - Quick 'n Dirty |
| 13:03.38 | WaterRatj | stew: Okay one more, termcap? one availble for debian lenny? |
| 13:03.38 | didar | SauLus, ^^ |
| 13:03.59 | abrotman | stew: so it was just a lack of interest (which I remember was the case long ago), not a technical reason that is keeping it out of main? |
| 13:04.05 | abrotman | other than the lack of a person to do it |
| 13:04.43 | stew | abrotman: someone would need to fork it, and nobody has bothered |
| 13:04.43 | didar | SauLus, or don't even put it in cronjob ... do it the while(true) sleep 10... way |
| 13:04.49 | abrotman | that's what i thought |
| 13:04.52 | stew | WaterRatj: in the ncurses packages |
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| 13:04.57 | stew | WaterRatj: apt-cache search -n ncurses |
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| 13:05.53 | SauLus | didar: but how do I start this script? Running as root from /etc/rc? |
| 13:06.48 | didar | SauLus: do you want this script running 24x7 or maybe just 10hrs/day? |
| 13:07.30 | ScottG | abrotman: I'm not sure what is wrong with the script |
| 13:07.45 | ScottG | stew: And I'm not sure what gash is |
| 13:07.46 | SauLus | didar: it depends on the script. The computer definitively will be shutdown by this script. So whenever the computer is running the script shall run. |
| 13:08.49 | stew | ScottG: gnash is a free implementation of flash |
| 13:08.50 | didar | SauLus: Ok, then put it in /etc/rc? |
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| 13:09.35 | ScottG | stew: Would you recommend it? |
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| 13:11.11 | stew | ScottG: its the best free flash player I know of |
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| 13:11.28 | ScottG | stew: Compared to the non-free version, though. |
| 13:11.46 | stew | ScottG: yes, i'd recommend it, since compared to the non-free version, it is free |
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| 13:12.03 | stew | though in general, i'd recommend people stop using flash altogether |
| 13:12.38 | ScottG | Well, personally I'd rather have performance over free. Yes I await the day flash is replaced by something better |
| 13:12.55 | stew | ok |
| 13:13.10 | ScottG | Do you know what abrotman meant by fixing the script? |
| 13:13.23 | stew | ScottG: did the installer script work? |
| 13:13.31 | abrotman | to alter the md5sum in the script |
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| 13:14.59 | ScottG | On http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer under "Debian Testing 'Squeeze' amd64" it was the last step that failed |
| 13:16.33 | ScottG | abrotman: I looked at the script but I don't understand what is wrong with it |
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| 13:21.19 | noahir | What type of hash is used in debian 4 ? |
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| 13:21.59 | noahir | $1$u6DG61nq$sKIr8S9fVpHQOsPBELFnC/ |
| 13:22.03 | noahir | looks like thiz :P |
| 13:22.06 | stew | noahir: that's md5 |
| 13:22.09 | burst_error | md5 |
| 13:22.20 | noahir | with salt ? |
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| 13:22.29 | stew | noahir: $1$ means md5, u6DG61nq is the salt, sKIr8S9fVpHQOsPBELFnC/ is the hash |
| 13:22.43 | noahir | hm |
| 13:23.29 | noahir | How easy is crackable this ? |
| 13:23.37 | burst_error | very |
| 13:23.46 | noahir | very ? |
| 13:24.08 | jelly | noahir: depends on how many years of cpu power you have at hand |
| 13:24.21 | stew | (and how strong the password is) |
| 13:24.22 | noahir | hmmm |
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| 13:24.38 | stew | and how extensive the rainbow tables you have access to are |
| 13:24.51 | stew | but its a brute force operation |
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| 13:25.07 | jelly | "very easy" is not an accurate description since rainbow tables need to be generated separately for each salt. |
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| 13:25.26 | noahir | meh i think its uncrackable |
| 13:25.27 | jelly | noahir: "good enough" is probably a better description |
| 13:25.31 | noahir | due to national chars in password |
| 13:25.38 | noahir | hmm |
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| 13:27.15 | jelly | I'd like to see a reference for "very easy" from burst_error if there is one. |
| 13:27.17 | abrotman | noahir: why do you care if it is crackable? |
| 13:27.50 | jelly | because someone stole his /etc/shadow? |
| 13:28.18 | noahir | no i stole /etc/shadow and wanna crack it :P |
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| 13:28.50 | jelly | forget it |
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| 13:29.43 | jelly | you'll have to bruteforce |
| 13:30.18 | mei | Why can't I access my Debian computer using the hostname after setting up winbind, but instead after setting up SAMBA? |
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| 13:31.07 | ScottG | abrotman: Could you help me out a bit with the script |
| 13:31.16 | thewanderer1 | why does fdisk show different heads/cylinders numbers for otherwise identical disks? |
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| 13:31.25 | burst_error | jelly: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/836068 |
| 13:31.33 | thewanderer1 | I need to setup software raid but I'm unable to copy partitions from sda to sdb |
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| 13:32.31 | kjs | !debain |
| 13:32.31 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:32.36 | jelly | burst_error: and? |
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| 13:34.39 | thewanderer1 | how do I make 2 disks have the same number of heads/cylinders? |
| 13:34.58 | jelly | burst_error: how does that apply to length limited salted passwords. |
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| 13:37.13 | thewanderer1 | how do I create software raid over 2 disks that have a different number of heads/cylinders? |
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| 13:40.22 | jelly | thewanderer1: why are you "unable to copy partitions", is sdb smaller than sda? |
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| 13:41.33 | thewanderer1 | jelly: no, but sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb returns an error. and the number of heads vary between disks |
| 13:42.05 | noahir | Anyone know how to change webalizer language ? |
| 13:42.07 | ironm | hi guys :) .. how can I download from a terminal windows some file from a git repo? . like from http://git.debian.org/?p=debian-eeepc/eeepc-live.git;a=tree;f=auto;h=f28dbe52ab0ab8abc8ba495f58162244618af5de;hb=30c2b44506a00cf81906d3997d7b36b270addf89 |
| 13:42.28 | thewanderer1 | these are almost identical disks, but somehow I get a different number of heads/cylinders... |
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| 13:43.16 | Justin | ironm: a) just use git. or b) use the 'raw' links |
| 13:43.31 | ironm | thank you Justin :) |
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| 13:45.19 | abrotman | ScottG: i thought i told you how? |
| 13:47.01 | jelly | thewanderer1: pastebin sfdisk -g -d /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
| 13:48.16 | jelly | thewanderer1: also, another one with -G instead of -g |
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| 13:57.15 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 13:57.15 | dpkg | <Overfiend> I think I want to fork GCC. Any time a compiler warning or error would be spewed, my version would just say: gcc: something wrong d00d |
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| 13:58.59 | magyar | morning, any of you guys using interface bonding on squeeze? |
| 13:59.55 | magyar | seems to be borken fairly well |
| 14:00.13 | jelly | only uses stable on servers |
| 14:00.15 | abrotman | or you did it wrong? :) |
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| 14:02.18 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 14:03.39 | frikinz | I just downloaded linux-image-2.6.35-trunk-amd64 but can't install linux-headers-2.6.35-trunk-amd64 cause it depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.35 which seems unavailable to me. any idea how to have the headers installed? |
| 14:03.50 | noahir | configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 14:03.53 | noahir | what am i missing ? |
| 14:03.56 | noahir | dev package ? |
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| 14:05.29 | magyar | jelly: me to, this is my home PC |
| 14:05.48 | stew | magyar: why not just ask your question, perhaps we can help anyway |
| 14:06.01 | magyar | abrotman: I did it according to /usr/share/doc/ifenslave and the sample file |
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| 14:06.29 | jelly | magyar: what are you using bonding for at home? :-) |
| 14:06.44 | magyar | in any-case jelly is right, on stable this feature works like its meant to be |
| 14:07.00 | jelly | (excepting S&M) |
| 14:07.24 | stew | Stability and Multiplexing? |
| 14:07.30 | stew | :) |
| 14:07.51 | magyar | stew: there is no question, I just stated my observation and wanted to see if anyone else is experiencing it |
| 14:07.57 | stew | magyar: checked the bts? |
| 14:09.03 | magyar | jelly: I have one of those wonderful dual nic boards, so sometimes I take the PC than bring it back and don't know which is which from the nics |
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| 14:09.24 | jelly | that's so not what bonding is used for! |
| 14:09.26 | magyar | stew: there is some in ubuntu |
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| 14:10.09 | stew | magyar: if you think the package is buggy in squeeze and there is no bug filed in the debian bts, please file. we don't to release squeeze if this isn't working |
| 14:10.48 | jelly | want. |
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| 14:11.00 | magyar | stew: makes sense |
| 14:11.03 | stew | yeah, i accidently |
| 14:11.13 | jelly | I what you did there |
| 14:11.26 | stew | thx |
| 14:12.05 | frikinz | so looks like the kernel header package for 2.6.35 on amd64 can only be done manually atm |
| 14:12.07 | magyar | in any case, nice to read from you guys, got to pay the bills |
| 14:13.07 | jelly | frikinz: that's often the case with kernels in experimental, you're supposed to know your way about linux-kbuild issues and stuff. |
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| 14:13.22 | stew | frikinz: this is normal, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 14:13.37 | stew | frikinz: see "The story of linux-kbuild-2.6" |
| 14:13.48 | frikinz | jelly: yes yes, it's just that the image is there, the headers too but they depend on something not available. not usual. |
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| 14:13.58 | stew | frikinz: yes, it is usual |
| 14:14.14 | jelly | !experimental |
| 14:14.14 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:14.31 | frikinz | ok thanks for confirmation |
| 14:14.46 | frikinz | will warm up the hard disk a bit more :) |
| 14:14.53 | jelly | or did .35 fall thru to unstable? |
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| 14:15.01 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:15.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 14:15.14 | stew | linux-headers-2.6.35-trunk-amd64 | 2.6.35-1~experimental.1 | experimental | amd64, i386 |
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| 14:15.23 | noahir | configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 14:15.25 | noahir | whats wrong ? |
| 14:16.07 | jelly | noahir: install build-essential |
| 14:16.26 | jelly | noahir: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:16.33 | noahir | server |
| 14:16.46 | stew | probably exploit the machine we told him he couldn't crack the password for |
| 14:16.58 | noahir | stew: that was joke |
| 14:17.20 | jelly | noahir: that was likely also a joke |
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| 14:18.08 | noahir | that server with that passwords is very old and vmsplice is working there ... |
| 14:18.40 | jelly | !win stew |
| 14:18.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
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| 14:19.37 | sed` | is it possible to restrict apt-p2p to local networks? my internet uplink is very slow |
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| 14:21.18 | pzn | is there any usb-over-ethernet driver, where I can use an USB device connected to another computer in my local computer, via 100mbps ethernet? I need to use an USB scanner remotely |
| 14:22.06 | Justin | pzn: sane supports networked scanners |
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| 14:22.36 | pzn | Justin, scanner is not ethernet. it is usb. |
| 14:22.45 | Justin | err |
| 14:22.52 | Justin | sane supports sharing a scanner over the network |
| 14:23.06 | pzn | Justin, you mean I need to install sane on both computers? |
| 14:23.14 | Justin | yes |
| 14:23.54 | pzn | Justin, I'll try it... it may be dificult, because the computer that has usb port with scanner is diskless, and its disk image is shared with about 20 other computers, but I'll give a try. |
| 14:23.56 | the-dude | Justin: saned works nice |
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| 14:24.29 | Justin | if you are using nfs and shared accounts you could always just ssh -X into the box with the scanner and run the scanner gui there |
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| 14:25.21 | sed` | pzn: also check out http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ -- the drivers are now in the official kernel's staging tree |
| 14:25.23 | pzn | Justin, I can do that. but the users are too dumb for that... :-) |
| 14:26.20 | sed` | apparently the usbip project even has windows client drivers |
| 14:26.29 | harpal | emdebian channel is not available? |
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| 14:27.43 | gilesw | hi debianers |
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| 14:28.13 | stew | harpal: it would probably be on irc.debian.org |
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| 14:29.22 | harpal | stew: ya Thanks a lot |
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| 14:30.20 | sed` | what's the easiest way to setup an apt package cache in a LAN? |
| 14:30.28 | sed` | squid? |
| 14:31.02 | sed` | the cache shouldn't be a single-point-of-failure for the entire LAN though. if it's down, the clients should use other mirrors. |
| 14:31.40 | Justin | sed`: I use approx |
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| 14:32.05 | Justin | there is also apt-p2p but i've never tried it |
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| 14:32.54 | sed` | Justin: i just looked at apt-p2p and it seems that it can't distinguish between local and remote connections which is unfortunate when you have a slow internet uplink |
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| 14:38.00 | ma3x | hi, im running lenny. i just compiled 2.6.34 and .35 and both won't boot. it gets stuck at "sd 5:0:0:0 sdb Attached SCSI removable disk" any ideas? I don't have any usb disk attached to it |
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| 14:39.21 | jordanm | ma3x: what is wrong with the pre-compiled debian kernels? |
| 14:40.26 | ma3x | jordanm: there aren't precompiled kernels above 2.6.32(3) |
| 14:40.42 | ma3x | even 2.6.32bpo gets stuck |
| 14:40.44 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 14:40.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 14:41.12 | jordanm | ma3x: why do you even need that? hardware support? |
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| 14:47.20 | ma3x | jordanm: better drivers |
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| 14:48.16 | jordanm | ma3x: so you have having issues with the existing drivers? |
| 14:48.38 | Justin | ma3x: what is sdb? |
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| 14:49.34 | sed` | Justin: i'll probably wrap aptitude in a shell script that pings the local proxy server with a very low timeout and exports HTTP_PROXY if it's reachable |
| 14:49.50 | sed` | that's good enough for a quick LAN setup, imho |
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| 14:51.52 | ma3x | Justin: sdb as in /dev/sdb |
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| 14:52.13 | ma3x | jordanm: issues with wireless drivers which have been resolved since 2.6.34 |
| 14:52.23 | ma3x | that's why i need 2.6.34 and above |
| 14:52.28 | jordanm | ma3x: which drivers? |
| 14:52.32 | ma3x | intel's |
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| 14:52.47 | stew | sed`: wrap it with a script that when the proxy fails, tells somoene to fix the proxy! |
| 14:52.55 | ma3x | but before i reinstalled debian lenny, kernels compiled and booted without any hassle |
| 14:53.00 | ma3x | not anymore |
| 14:53.02 | jordanm | ma3x: are you sure it has not been backported into debian's .32? is there a debian bug filed against it? |
| 14:53.43 | ma3x | jordanm: i have 2.6.26-2 now. i can't run .32 it displays the same error and waits about 2-3 mins then says something about timeout root .... |
| 14:54.07 | jordanm | ma3x: the .32 from backports.org? |
| 14:54.13 | ma3x | ye |
| 14:54.41 | jordanm | ma3x: remove "quiet" from your boot arguements if present. might get some more useful information |
| 14:55.06 | ma3x | i don't have quiet |
| 14:55.12 | ma3x | i used to have in the previous debian installation |
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| 14:56.22 | jelly | !debug initramfs |
| 14:56.29 | jelly | dpkg: yo |
| 14:56.30 | dpkg | yao! |
| 14:56.48 | jelly | !initramfs debug |
| 14:56.49 | dpkg | methinks initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
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| 15:14.39 | pzn | Justin, sane server is working at 192.168.120.145, that is OK! what can I use in other computers to access the scanner? "xsane net:192.168.120.145:XXX:YYY" I don't know what to put in X and Y... sane-find-scanned at server shows found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [HP], product=0x7411 [Photosmart C4600 series]) at libusb:004:004 |
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| 15:18.24 | kurkale6ka | Hi, how do I untar test.tar.gz to bla/ instead of test/ |
| 15:18.28 | noahir | anyone know where is problem ? configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 15:18.37 | noahir | build-essential is installed... |
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| 15:18.55 | jelly | noahir: what are you trying to build? |
| 15:19.08 | noahir | jelly:webalizer |
| 15:19.18 | pallgone | why do I (almost) always have to set the psmouse options proto=imps under squeeze to make tip-click work with the synaptics touchpad? |
| 15:19.38 | jelly | ,versions webalizer |
| 15:19.40 | judd | webalizer -- etch: 2.01.10-32; lenny: 2.01.10-32.4; sid: 2.01.10-32.7; squeeze: 2.01.10-32.7 |
| 15:19.49 | jelly | noahir: what's wrong with the packaged one? |
| 15:20.02 | noahir | jelly: i want set lang... |
| 15:20.14 | noahir | and i found on google it can be done only with recompiling... |
| 15:20.33 | jelly | noahir: readlink -f /lib/cpp ? |
| 15:20.55 | noahir | /usr/bin/cpp-4.3 |
| 15:21.51 | stew | "apt-file list webalizer" shows translations into a couple dozen languages |
| 15:22.10 | noahir | wt |
| 15:22.17 | noahir | so ? |
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| 15:22.34 | stew | noahir: so you don't need to recompile it |
| 15:22.48 | stew | noahir: see the README.Debian |
| 15:22.57 | stew | "This package was ported to use Gettext Option --with-language=<language> in configure script was striped" |
| 15:23.08 | noahir | i dont understand :X |
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| 15:23.28 | jelly | noahir: use the package from debian and see if your language is already there |
| 15:23.56 | noahir | how ? |
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| 15:26.22 | jelly | noahir: by reading the documentation as stew suggests, and by inspecting the contents of the package |
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| 15:35.48 | niklaswe | how can i see which hertz my monitor is using.. ? |
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| 15:38.36 | SPF | niklaswe: you can usually see that if you navigate your monitor menu |
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| 15:40.16 | jlebrech | im using git push for use with heroku but EVERY time is asks me for the passphrase for id dsa, is there a keychain i can install? |
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| 15:41.54 | raboof | any reason why linux-kbuild-2.6_2.6.35-1 is only in experimental for i386, not for amd64? linux-image and linux-headers are both present for amd64 |
| 15:42.10 | jelly | !tell raboof about experimental |
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| 15:42.34 | jelly | !tell raboof about linux-kbuild-2.6 |
| 15:42.46 | jelly | dpkg: factinfo linux-kbuild-2.6 |
| 15:42.46 | dpkg | linux-kbuild-2.6 -- last modified 5d 10h 59m 30s ago by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 6 times, last by jelly, 12s ago. |
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| 15:43.36 | raboof | jelly: ok, cool, thanks! |
| 15:44.16 | niklaswe | SPF: ty i found it now =) |
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| 15:49.03 | qjcg | Using tightvncviewer, is there a way to ensure my keypresses are grabbed by the REMOTE session? eg, when I do an ALT-P, it's being grabbed by my LOCAL window manager, and that's not what I want... |
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| 15:52.55 | sed` | stew: good point |
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| 16:02.13 | dokma | Hey guyz. I've just ran into an interesting bug in oggz-chop that flips youtube out. When I chop a chunk out of a larger clip the chunks timer does not start at 0 and so when I upload a chunk that has time from 10:00 to 15:00 youtube views it as having length of 15 minutes. Does anyone know how to reset the timer on a ogv clip that is malformed like this? |
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| 16:03.40 | xxtjaxx | dokma: have you tried looking at this in kdenlive? or any other video editor? |
| 16:04.43 | dokma | xxtjaxx: I had a very bad experience with video editors under linux. Most of them crashed or were unable to open ogv clips that I created by screencasting... |
| 16:05.14 | o2T7 | dokma: ffmpeg or mencoder should do the job then |
| 16:05.17 | dokma | but that might be a good solution... simply open it in an editor and save it as a new clip might reset that... |
| 16:05.47 | dokma | o2T7: I tried chopping ogv with ffmpeg first but that failed miserably with some criptic error message... |
| 16:05.49 | o2T7 | anyway, last time I tried kdenlive it ran great |
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| 16:07.11 | o2T7 | dokma: I mean just for trying to "reset" the timer, and then use whatever you are using now |
| 16:07.19 | thewanderer1 | hi |
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| 16:07.35 | dokma | o2T7: you mean something like ffmpeg -i out.ogv out2.ogv ??? |
| 16:07.37 | thewanderer1 | Debian doesn't load up LVM in initrd... |
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| 16:10.26 | kamil_ | I have gconf related problem can someone help me with that? |
| 16:13.26 | o2T7 | dokma: Yes, and if it doesn't do the trick, perhaps with something from `ffmpeg -h | grep -i time` |
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| 16:13.52 | dokma | o2T7: that's a good idea... I should file a bug report as well I guess... |
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| 16:18.02 | mms_ | hi I am on lenny and alsa is not working. alsa folks advising to upgrade alsa but I am already having lenny latest alsa. so how do I ? |
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| 16:21.11 | DanDare | mms_ how its not working? You are able to bring up the mixer with the controls ? |
| 16:22.17 | DanDare | mms_, you can do 'alsamixer' at commad prompt and open the mixer ? |
| 16:23.01 | DanDare | mms_, I have seem already fresh Lenny installs where the devices are muted in alsamixer... if its the case so a mater to unmute them |
| 16:23.16 | DanDare | *matter |
| 16:23.29 | mms_ | DanDare: yes |
| 16:23.32 | jordanm | mms_: what is the pciid of your sound card? |
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| 16:23.53 | jordanm | mms_: if you get support for upstream, they will almost always tell you to have the "latest" version |
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| 16:24.08 | mms_ | DanDare: they are unmuted. I see percent values and colors on channels. |
| 16:24.34 | mms_ | jordanm: I dont know what pciid means...can you tell command ? |
| 16:24.44 | jordanm | mms_: lspci -nn |
| 16:25.20 | DanDare | mms_, despite of colouts and levels what is write at the base of controls? Something like 'mm' or something like 'O' ? |
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| 16:26.26 | jordanm | mms_: please don't pm me. either paste the single line for the audio device to the channel, or pastebin it |
| 16:26.28 | daniele9821 | hello all i try to configure snmp with snmptratomail but i not understand why the mail aren't sent same guru that can help me? |
| 16:26.38 | mms_ | ok |
| 16:26.45 | DanDare | mms_, thats, id they are 'MM' them they are muted if they are 'OO' so they are unmuted |
| 16:27.14 | mms_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02) |
| 16:27.39 | simonrvn | !intel-hda |
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| 16:27.55 | simonrvn | !hda |
| 16:28.01 | mms_ | DanDare: I have paste alsa info. can you verify if its muted or not. |
| 16:28.19 | mms_ | http://pastebin.ca/1915248 |
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| 16:28.34 | simonrvn | !ich7 |
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| 16:28.48 | DanDare | mms_, is easy to check doing what I say, just fire up alsamixer |
| 16:28.53 | arenlor | Does anyone know how to setup fingerd to work, I can't seem to get the xinetd file right |
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| 16:29.17 | jordanm | mms_: that should "just work" fine in lenny |
| 16:29.22 | jordanm | !tell mms_ about alsa checklist |
| 16:29.31 | thewanderer1 | hi, I got an error while booting Lenny |
| 16:29.45 | thewanderer1 | RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. |
| 16:29.54 | mms_ | jordanm: I have already done checklist thrice.....the aplay step does not work....no sound... |
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| 16:30.41 | jordanm | mms_: does alsaconf detect the card? |
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| 16:31.02 | mms_ | jordanm: yes I done that too. |
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| 16:31.42 | cahoot | mms_: more than one sounddevice? cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:32.04 | mms_ | jordanm: only thing I felt to check was whether server needs to run since it says no servers ...see pastebin. |
| 16:32.43 | mms_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.44 | mms_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.47 | mms_ | just one |
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| 16:33.05 | cahoot | already run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0? |
| 16:33.23 | mms_ | cahoot: I done alsa-utils restart |
| 16:33.27 | mms_ | never done reset |
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| 16:33.43 | thewanderer1 | I can't boot Lenny after installing to LVM on RAID |
| 16:33.44 | mms_ | cahoot: you want me to try that ? |
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| 16:33.58 | cahoot | won't do any harm |
| 16:34.13 | thewanderer1 | my kernel tells me: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0 |
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| 16:35.01 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: is /boot also on lvm? |
| 16:35.10 | mms_ | done that reset and tried aplay but no sound |
| 16:35.13 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: everything |
| 16:35.43 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I just created RAID in the installer, then LVM on it, then a LV called "system", set it to be mounted on / |
| 16:35.50 | cahoot | mms_: speaker-test -t wav -c2 doesn't error? |
| 16:35.54 | mms_ | can one confirm that having no sound servers on the system an issue ? |
| 16:35.56 | thewanderer1 | d-i progressed without errors but now I can't boot |
| 16:36.28 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: yah, that wasn't the safest thing to do |
| 16:36.40 | mms_ | there seems to be some sound |
| 16:36.42 | cahoot | mms_: missing 'soundserver' is definitely a problem |
| 16:36.43 | mms_ | very feeble |
| 16:36.56 | cahoot | mms_: missing 'soundserver' is definitely NOT a problem |
| 16:37.16 | mms_ | cahoot: your command does create sound on system |
| 16:37.16 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: a separate normal partition /boot works more often |
| 16:37.25 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: but it's Lenny, come on... |
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| 16:37.49 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: "stable" means known bugs, not "no" bugs |
| 16:37.59 | cahoot | mms_: let speaker-test run in one terminal and play with alsamixer in another |
| 16:38.12 | mms_ | ok |
| 16:38.23 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I can't recall this being "known" |
| 16:39.09 | mms_ | cahoot: what do you mean ? I already used sound volume control to raise volume |
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| 16:39.27 | mms_ | cahoot: now I hear loud front/right/front/left |
| 16:39.35 | cahoot | mms_: I just prefer alsamixer |
| 16:39.53 | cahoot | mms_: problem solved? |
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| 16:40.02 | mms_ | cahoot: ok you mean try volume adjustment using alsamixer ? |
| 16:40.13 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: perhaps, but the sheer number of open debian-installer bugs mentioning "lvm" is telling |
| 16:40.18 | cahoot | that's what alsamixer is for |
| 16:40.28 | mms_ | cahoot: ok let me do that... |
| 16:41.08 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: grub2 is supposed to manage this, you'll probably have to backport the latest and coerce it to work |
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| 16:41.33 | jelly-home | ,versions grub-pc |
| 16:41.35 | judd | grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100710-1; sid: 1.98+20100804-2 |
| 16:41.46 | jelly-home | could use a newer backport |
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| 16:42.34 | mms_ | cahoot: yes it works |
| 16:42.46 | jhutchins_lt | Somehow in the process of installing squeeze on another partition I seem to have enabled suspend-to-ram. |
| 16:42.49 | mms_ | cahoot: let me try mplayer now and see if there is audio |
| 16:43.10 | jhutchins_lt | At least my wifi connection is going down when I leave the laptop closed. |
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| 16:44.28 | mms_ | cahoot: problem solved |
| 16:44.35 | mms_ | cahoot: now I hear all sound find |
| 16:44.41 | mms_ | cahoot: thanks a lot |
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| 16:45.50 | mms_ | cahoot: no head set volume though |
| 16:46.37 | imaginaryman | hey mms_ |
| 16:46.44 | mms_ | cahoot: the netbook speaker gives sound but headset does not |
| 16:46.49 | mms_ | imaginaryman: yes |
| 16:47.04 | imaginaryman | mms_: did you update to latest version of alsa |
| 16:47.41 | imaginaryman | mms_: you might fix some of your problems by just updating the drivers |
| 16:47.56 | imaginaryman | mms_: and its very simple |
| 16:48.28 | mms_ | imaginaryman: netbook speaker gives sound now |
| 16:48.35 | mms_ | imaginaryman: just headset issue now |
| 16:48.43 | imaginaryman | mms_: when you run alsamixer |
| 16:48.58 | imaginaryman | does it report the correct chip set? |
| 16:49.35 | imaginaryman | and are all those options unmuted |
| 16:49.48 | mms_ | imaginaryman: http://pastebin.ca/1915248 |
| 16:50.00 | mms_ | imaginaryman: all seem to be in place |
| 16:50.05 | sed` | is there an official x86_32 firefox package for amd64 debian? |
| 16:50.27 | thewanderer1 | okay, GRUB2 works! |
| 16:50.51 | imaginaryman | mms_: is it reporting the correct sound card and chipset? |
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| 16:51.31 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: even the old one from lenny? Color me surprised. |
| 16:51.31 | imaginaryman | mms_: I don't know whats in your note book XD |
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| 16:52.12 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 16:52.43 | decan | hi everyone!! |
| 16:52.48 | sed` | is there some tool that converts i386 packages to amd64 packages, i.e. with the proper ia32 compatibility dependencies? |
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| 16:53.40 | Kuba | hey |
| 16:53.56 | jelly-home | sed`: no, everyone's waiting on multiarch |
| 16:54.00 | Kuba | Do the scripts added by update-rd.c (/etc/rcX) run as root? |
| 16:54.05 | imaginaryman | sed: what are you trying to convert |
| 16:54.09 | imaginaryman | ? |
| 16:54.10 | stew | Kuba: yes |
| 16:54.12 | xxtjaxx | sed`: afaik no but if you want to have flashplugin-nonfree there is a page on the debian wiki |
| 16:54.37 | sed` | imaginaryman: i'm able to do it manually, and also made a ia32 compat package for dbus-cxx but it was quite tedious |
| 16:54.40 | imaginaryman | virtual box is the friend of the lazy |
| 16:54.51 | jordanm | Kuba: yes, init scripts are executed by root |
| 16:54.53 | Kuba | stew: What if I wanted to run something everytime computer boots up but I don't want it bo be run as root (for security reasons) |
| 16:55.00 | xxtjaxx | sed`: othere than that not that I know. Try rebuilding it with cowbuilder or pbuilder |
| 16:55.02 | mms_ | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 16:55.04 | stew | Kuba: add a @reboot cronjob |
| 16:55.05 | decan | imaginaryman xen rocks!! |
| 16:55.06 | imaginaryman | mv |
| 16:55.09 | imaginaryman | nvm |
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| 16:55.23 | Kuba | stew: Thanks :) |
| 16:55.27 | sed` | xxtjaxx: thanks, will check it out. it's too bad that adobe temporarily cancelled the 64-bit plugin. |
| 16:55.28 | mms_ | though in mplayer windows is says that the netbook speakers give sound but the headset does not. |
| 16:55.39 | jordanm | stew: hehe, that sounds so much better than the hacks I have in ~/.bashrc for emacs --daemon |
| 16:55.41 | jelly-home | Kuba: if it's a service, use su or start-stop-daemon |
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| 16:55.51 | jelly-home | (in your init script) |
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| 16:56.14 | sed` | jelly-home: are there any estimates when multiarch will arrive? |
| 16:56.16 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't that what sticky bits are for? |
| 16:56.19 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:56.35 | Kuba | jelly-home: actually it is `ssh -R xxxx:localhost:22 host` |
| 16:56.38 | jelly-home | sed`: possibly this decade! |
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| 16:57.01 | xxtjaxx | sed`: its not too bad. helps you working because you arent distracted by kitteh vidz :) |
| 16:57.31 | jelly-home | Kuba: if you want it to run all the time, it counts as a service |
| 16:58.11 | sed` | xxtjaxx: lol. true. |
| 16:58.23 | sed` | thinks about starting a repository for ia32 packages, especially libraries. |
| 16:58.38 | sed` | who's with me? ;) |
| 16:58.39 | jelly-home | Kuba: for that one, I'd run it in a detached screen, and perhaps using autossh |
| 16:58.46 | jelly-home | sed`: dmm has a good number |
| 16:58.51 | Kuba | exactly, I'm using autossh indeed |
| 16:59.04 | mms_ | when I run mplayer it has one statement that looks error which I pasted above but netbook speakers give sounds fine it just headset now that does not give sound. |
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| 16:59.45 | Kuba | jelly-home: btw I'm wondering why does "-f" option (autossh) doesn't work.. or at least it doesn't work as I think :( |
| 16:59.49 | jelly-home | Kuba: I used to run it on an unused virtual console (ie. from inittab) |
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| 17:00.11 | jelly-home | Kuba: if this machine is physically safe you might consider that as an option |
| 17:00.41 | xxtjaxx | sed`: you are aware that ia32libs isquite an ugly tthing to mess around with? |
| 17:01.06 | cahoot | mms_: might be you need an option to snd-hda-intel to get jack-sensing |
| 17:01.08 | Kuba | jelly-home: well, I have added all kinds of no-*-forwarding and the machine is physically safe |
| 17:01.11 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: the ugly is offset by kitten videos |
| 17:01.30 | sed` | xxtjaxx: yes i am. building ia32-libs-dbus-cxx* alone took me about an hour to do properly |
| 17:02.22 | sed` | another thing i recently needed was openal ia32, which is not in any debian repo yet.. i ended up with unpacking the i386 .deb and copied the .so files manually. quite a mess. |
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| 17:03.18 | doglino | i'm trying to install debian but in cd there is just option to "live" and not to install |
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| 17:03.44 | doglino | how I DO? |
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| 17:04.21 | xxtjaxx | jelly-home: do you speak german? If so have a look at the minidebconf video from linuxtag by mr. brederlow |
| 17:04.21 | pallgone | doglino: you are using a live cd then? I think you can install from the desktop when you booted into the live system |
| 17:04.41 | doglino | pallgone: i did not find this option |
| 17:04.48 | pallgone | doglino: usually debian is installed with the installer cd |
| 17:04.53 | doglino | i must be very dumyy |
| 17:04.54 | doglino | hahehe |
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| 17:05.32 | doglino | from windows is possible? |
| 17:05.32 | jelly-home | doglino: no, debian is very basic |
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| 17:06.36 | doglino | then i boot with live and install ?? |
| 17:06.40 | ZNC-Titan | Yes |
| 17:06.52 | doglino | ok i will try again |
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| 17:08.20 | BLZbubba | i have a deb that i'm building with a version of 2.1-1; where do i bump it up to -2? |
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| 17:09.05 | stew | BLZbubba: in debian/changelog, "dch --incr" will help you do this |
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| 17:09.09 | Raptors | hey guys |
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| 17:09.28 | Raptors | How do I install ia32-libnss-mdns? |
| 17:09.28 | mms_ | cahoot: ok let me check option |
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| 17:09.32 | Raptors | its not in the repo |
| 17:09.35 | stew | BLZbubba: though you should consider somehting like 2.1-+bubba1 or something if you are going later want to upgrade to 2.1-2 from debian |
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| 17:09.43 | stew | err 2.1-1+bubba1 |
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| 17:10.20 | jelly-home | ,versions ia32-libnss-mdns --arch amd64 |
| 17:10.21 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ia32-libnss-mdns' was found. |
| 17:10.32 | jelly-home | Raptors: you don't. What package needs it? |
| 17:10.33 | sed` | that's in DMM |
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| 17:10.48 | jelly-home | sed`: judd would know about it if it were in dmm |
| 17:10.50 | Raptors | jelly-home, WINE |
| 17:11.01 | sed` | sorry wait, it's only ia32-libs-libnss3 |
| 17:11.01 | jelly-home | Raptors: wine from which repo? |
| 17:11.14 | Raptors | jelly I know but it didn't install it |
| 17:11.27 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.27 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.28 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.28 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:11.42 | jelly-home | Raptors: wine from which repo? |
| 17:11.49 | Raptors | sid |
| 17:11.59 | stew | , versions lib32nss-mdns |
| 17:12.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lib32nss-mdns' was found. |
| 17:12.03 | stew | , versions lib32nss-mdns amd64 |
| 17:12.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lib32nss-mdns' was found. |
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| 17:12.23 | jelly-home | Raptors: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 wine wine-unstable, please |
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| 17:12.42 | stew | rmadison finds lib32nss-mdns in stable,testing,unstable |
| 17:12.56 | jelly-home | Raptors: I'd use the latter option (remove libnss-mdns) anyway |
| 17:12.57 | themill | ,versions lib32nss-mdns --arch amd64 |
| 17:12.59 | judd | lib32nss-mdns -- lenny: 0.10-3; sid: 0.10-3.1; squeeze: 0.10-3.1 |
| 17:13.13 | Raptors | jelly-homes I need internet |
| 17:13.16 | stew | bah, i thought I made --arch optional |
| 17:13.30 | Kuba | jelly-home: Could You pease give me an example of how to start some app in inittab? I just can't find it... |
| 17:13.32 | stew | info lib32nss-mdns amd64 |
| 17:13.32 | themill | stew: I accidentally removed that at one stage while fixing other things... it's back in there in git already :) |
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| 17:14.10 | stew | themill: jerk |
| 17:14.14 | Raptors | jelly-home, http://pastie.org/1088701 |
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| 17:14.33 | themill | has a cry |
| 17:14.41 | jelly-home | ooh, 1.3 |
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| 17:14.50 | jelly-home | shiny! |
| 17:14.53 | jordanm | jelly-home: from an unknown location |
| 17:15.00 | stew | Raptors: did you try installing lib32nss-mdns as it suggested? |
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| 17:15.02 | jelly-home | ah. |
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| 17:15.25 | imaginaryman | and one have snd-aloop configured in their .asoundrc |
| 17:15.28 | imaginaryman | ? |
| 17:15.31 | jelly-home | Raptors: confess, where did you get that wine-unstable from! |
| 17:15.32 | imaginaryman | any* |
| 17:15.44 | Raptors | stew, /facepalm how did I miss that :\ |
| 17:15.55 | Raptors | it installed 1 sec ill test that |
| 17:16.08 | Raptors | it worked |
| 17:16.10 | Raptors | :) |
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| 17:17.45 | jelly-home | Kuba: #12:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 -n -l /usr/local/sbin/gnj tty12 |
| 17:17.46 | doglino | hello |
| 17:17.56 | doglino | i`m live debia |
| 17:17.58 | doglino | n |
| 17:18.02 | doglino | how i install |
| 17:18.06 | doglino | ? |
| 17:18.26 | jordanm | doglino: debian live is not an installation cd. you can use debootstrap, if you are an experienced user |
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| 17:18.42 | jordanm | doglino: however, debian live will include and installer in the next release |
| 17:18.45 | rozie | no need to be expert to use debootstrap |
| 17:18.52 | jelly-home | Kuba: and the script has stty raw; exec su jelly -c 'ssh ...' |
| 17:18.57 | doglino | ok |
| 17:19.14 | jordanm | rozie: experienced, not expect... it really help to know what chroot is etc before going through it |
| 17:19.22 | jordanm | s/expect/expert/ |
| 17:19.30 | Kuba | jelly-home: with no #!/bin/bash header? |
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| 17:20.33 | rozie | jordanm: true, but wanting to read and learn novice user with CLI knowlegde (is it still novice?) should be enough |
| 17:20.36 | jelly-home | Kuba: of course with it, and with executable permissions and all the standard stuff |
| 17:20.45 | Kuba | owkay ;) |
| 17:21.12 | jordanm | rozie: a good test of that is to point them at the install guide and see if they actually read it, I supppose |
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| 17:21.24 | Kuba | jelly-home: btw what is "gnj" standing for? :D |
| 17:21.48 | jelly-home | Kuba: you don't want to know. |
| 17:21.59 | Kuba | hehe |
| 17:22.02 | imaginaryman | chmod -r ./* 7777 |
| 17:22.12 | jelly-home | imaginaryman: don't |
| 17:22.14 | Kuba | jelly-home: Thank you very much |
| 17:22.17 | imaginaryman | haha |
| 17:22.24 | BLZbubba | stew: ah cool, can i use dch (or changelog) to set something like that? e.g. 2.1-+me |
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| 17:23.20 | BLZbubba | it appears to be working, cool |
| 17:23.29 | stew | BLZbubba: "dch --nmu" would make a 2.1-1.1, just perhaps replace the .1 with +me1 perhaps, or leave it, it will still be less than 2.1-2 if that's what you want |
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| 17:23.45 | Tridon343 | I got a rmeta-question about Linux and co. ....could it be that there is much more political and licence argument, which leads to many problems just because people sue each other? |
| 17:23.50 | BLZbubba | i will have to do the same hack to every subsequent version |
| 17:23.52 | JordiGH | I'm getting hard lockups. Is there any way to diagnose that? |
| 17:23.56 | Tridon343 | meta-question* |
| 17:24.04 | jelly-home | Tridon343: try asking ##Linux |
| 17:24.06 | BLZbubba | actually i just need to rebuild with some non-free libraries each time |
| 17:24.07 | JordiGH | I'm completely on lenny except for an experimental intel video driver. |
| 17:24.25 | jordanm | JordiGH: doesn't that driver require a newer xorg? |
| 17:24.35 | themill | BLZbubba: dch has a --local option that might be what you're looking for |
| 17:24.40 | stew | ooh |
| 17:24.42 | jordanm | ,depends xserver-xorg-video-intel --release experimental |
| 17:24.43 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-intel -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libdrm-intel1 (>= 2.4.21), libdrm2 (>= 2.4.17), libpciaccess0 (>= 0.8.0+git20071002), libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb-aux0 (>= 0.3.6), libxcb-dri2-0, libxcb1, libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxv1, libxvmc1, xorg-video-abi-6.0, xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.7.6.901). |
| 17:25.04 | jordanm | JordiGH: sounds like you are more unstable than that :) |
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| 17:25.18 | noahir | stable is damn useless shit |
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| 17:25.32 | stew | i'm finding a number of uses for it |
| 17:25.47 | BLZbubba | themill: ah perfect! |
| 17:25.57 | jordanm | uses it for about everything aside from testing debians future release |
| 17:26.13 | JordiGH | jordanm: Erm, I meant, completely on squeze. |
| 17:26.27 | JordiGH | jordanm: And no, it doesn't require a newer Xorg, just a few newer drm libs. |
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| 17:26.43 | JordiGH | curiously enough, now that I've disabled X, I seem to not be seeing lockups, which were getting to be very common. |
| 17:26.55 | noahir | why to use it if 80% sw there is outdated and containst security vulns ?? JUST WHY ? |
| 17:27.00 | jordanm | JordiGH: lenny shipped with 1.4, so yes, it would have required a newer xorg if you were on lenny |
| 17:27.09 | JordiGH | noahir: stfu, you have no clue what you're talking about. |
| 17:27.25 | JordiGH | jordanm: <JordiGH> jordanm: Erm, I meant, completely on squeze. |
| 17:27.27 | jordanm | think JordiGH actually put that nicely |
| 17:27.27 | noahir | JordiGH: blah blah |
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| 17:27.37 | JordiGH | squeeze, rather |
| 17:28.06 | jordanm | JordiGH: is it just X that is locking up? can ssh in remotely after a lockup? |
| 17:28.09 | noahir | thats why stable is most hacked system ye |
| 17:28.26 | jordanm | noahir: do you have a support question or are you just here to troll? |
| 17:28.43 | noahir | i am angry |
| 17:28.47 | themill | noahir: go away then |
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| 17:29.18 | JordiGH | jordanm: I haven't tried that, but I doubt. Music stops playing, disc activity stops. |
| 17:29.18 | julez2 | Would someone like to help me installing debian ? I tried booting lenny from an USB Pendrive, following the "easy way" on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en , but I only get a "boot error" thus I did all steps like described |
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| 17:29.33 | JordiGH | What's the magic sysrq that's supposed to work during hard lockups? |
| 17:29.34 | BLZbubba | nice, dch rocks |
| 17:29.35 | jordanm | JordiGH: I would actually suspect something kernel related in that case |
| 17:29.52 | JordiGH | jordanm: Well, haven't experienced lockups without X. |
| 17:29.54 | FabParma | how to mount a disk in manner that is part of file system? for instance: create in / a directory and attach the new hd there |
| 17:29.56 | talcite | hi guys. Is it possible to use the arno firewall tool to restrict access on a given port to a range of IP addresses? |
| 17:30.04 | BLZbubba | is there a reference manual kind of site with all of the debian package tricks documented? |
| 17:30.25 | themill | BLZbubba: if you're doing custom rebuilds on things, consider using git to keep track of it all and then you can use git-dch to build your changelog from git commit messages. |
| 17:30.46 | jordanm | BLZbubba: you mean as far as creating packaging, or the debian differences per package? |
| 17:30.48 | blinkenlight | hi, i've been playing around some with OPIE but i don't know how to get it to work as i want to... can i somehow allow root to login via ssh with either one time passes or a private keys but not password while other users can login with password as usual? |
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| 17:31.12 | themill | BLZbubba: "dpkg -L devscripts" is a good place to start looking for new toys to play with |
| 17:31.19 | jordanm | blinkenlight: PermitRootLogin without-password |
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| 17:31.47 | blinkenlight | i tried that but that disallowd one time pass logins as well |
| 17:31.55 | mms_ | guys I have alsa sound on external speakers of netbook but not in headset |
| 17:32.03 | JordiGH | Hard lockups are so hard to debug... and report. |
| 17:32.08 | jordanm | blinkenlight: I am not sure what you mean by one time pass logins |
| 17:32.11 | JordiGH | hopes squeeze doesn't ship with a hard lockup. |
| 17:32.31 | jordanm | JordiGH: I aggree. you could give the experimental kernel a go |
| 17:32.33 | JordiGH | I'll try going back to the squeeze intel video driver instead of the experimental driver. |
| 17:32.35 | blinkenlight | jordanm: these babies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPIE_Authentication_System |
| 17:32.42 | JordiGH | jordanm: No! I want to help with squeeze release. |
| 17:32.57 | jordanm | blinkenlight: ah, I am not familar with that |
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| 17:33.19 | jordanm | JordiGH: which may be helpful to point out some patch from .35 needs to be backported into debian's .32 |
| 17:33.22 | blinkenlight | not me either i'm afraid :) |
| 17:33.30 | blinkenlight | it's on squeeze btw |
| 17:33.49 | jelly-home | jordanm: you might have heard of S/Key instead |
| 17:33.53 | JordiGH | jordanm: Huh, but what can I do? "Hey, this locks up, this doesn't?" |
| 17:34.15 | jelly-home | (instead of opie) |
| 17:34.16 | jordanm | JordiGH: better than "Hey this locks up." |
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| 17:35.06 | jordanm | JordiGH: someone was in here yesterday with the same issue, so I imagine there is a bug somewhere that needs to be found |
| 17:35.34 | FabParma | how to attach a HD to the file system in a folder in root /newhd. i dont want use mount |
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| 17:35.52 | blinkenlight | s/key would be great because i read you can just add :skey at the end of the username to use it, but that's just for bsd |
| 17:35.55 | jordanm | FabParma: well, mount is the command for the job... |
| 17:36.13 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Hey, I just caught the intel driver bug on squeeze yesterday! |
| 17:36.37 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: he is using the experimental intel driver, which is likely what squeeze will ship with |
| 17:36.46 | aPpYe | hm. I did a fresh install to testing, one thing I am not happy with is when I try to vnc into it from another machine, it prompts the desktop for the login keyring password. Why is this tied into the keyring? How to get rid of this? |
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| 17:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: I haven't seen any solutions or work-arounds in all the bugreports. |
| 17:37.38 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Wait, is the intel video driver really locking up? |
| 17:37.45 | jhutchins_lt | aPpYe: That's allowing you to load the keyring, and you would need to start a second session as a different user as opposed to connecting to an existing session. |
| 17:37.53 | FabParma | jordanm, if i use mount, program like "locate" dont index that volume |
| 17:38.07 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Yeah, something about the interaction btween kernel switching and the latest driver. |
| 17:38.10 | blinkenlight | if i ask like this instead; is it possible to have PermitRootLogin yes but then with some other method stop sshd from letting root login with a password? |
| 17:38.19 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Ah. |
| 17:38.27 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Is it reported? |
| 17:38.33 | jhutchins_lt | blinkenlight: Yes, you can require a key for root login. |
| 17:38.33 | JordiGH | can't do much more than report the bug. |
| 17:38.40 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Multiple times. |
| 17:38.48 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Although I'm using the experimental driver... |
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| 17:38.51 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Like I said, I didn't find fixes or work-arounds. |
| 17:38.52 | aPpYe | jhutchins_lt: this machine is gonna be for a friend who lives a ways away from me. I want to be able to get into his machine and see his physical desktop without prompting him. |
| 17:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: I just use whatever's current in squeeze. |
| 17:39.09 | JordiGH | Well, as long as it's reported, I'm happy. |
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| 17:39.24 | JordiGH | Some kernel hacker will figure out what to do about it. |
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| 17:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Pretty much worked out that the only way I'd get it to work would be to backport a new kernel and xorg driver from exp or whatever, and you report that doesn't work. |
| 17:40.05 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: We just have to hope some kernel hacker is still using an old intel chipset. |
| 17:40.36 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Well, it's not backported. I'm just using the experimental driver. |
| 17:40.52 | JordiGH | Old? It's not ancient. I bought this two years ago. :-/ |
| 17:40.59 | blinkenlight | jhutchins_lt: i want to do it to allow root to login using either a key or opie. would that work? |
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| 17:41.31 | noo | Hello I have a usb wlan stick and I wanted to insall the appropriate driver and therefore I followed http://ubunturt2870.pbworks.com/FrontPage This is the driver I should use and during the installation nothing goes wrong, but still I don't have wlan in the end. I played around before to make it work with ndiswrapper maybe I messed something up? Can anybody please help me? I try to make the belkin F6D4050v1 Usb wlan stick work and therefore t |
| 17:41.31 | noo | he ra2870. I don't know how to contiue and I really need this wlan urgently |
| 17:41.36 | imaginaryman | aPpye: You can always ssh into his computer |
| 17:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | blinkenlight: As far as I know opie is a dog in a comic strip, but you can require a key. |
| 17:41.52 | imaginaryman | aPpye: and forward x11 |
| 17:42.14 | blinkenlight | opie the one time password, not opie the dog ;) |
| 17:42.20 | jordanm | !tell noo about rt2800usb |
| 17:42.33 | fxiny | otp |
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| 17:42.52 | aPpYe | imaginaryman: sigh ... I want him to see what I am doing. I do ssh into it as well. |
| 17:43.31 | jhutchins_lt | aPpYe: Disable the keyring on the primary session. |
| 17:43.59 | aPpYe | jhutchins_lt: okay, how to do this? |
| 17:44.48 | fxiny | my bad , otp is one time pad |
| 17:44.51 | aPpYe | I have never run into the vino server being tied into the keyring like this... |
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| 17:45.10 | jhutchins_lt | aPpYe: I have no idea about otp, but the man page explains how to restrict root login to keys. |
| 17:45.20 | fxiny | i just forgot , i have a handy perl script to build otp |
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| 17:45.22 | imaginaryman | hehe |
| 17:45.26 | imaginaryman | GL |
| 17:45.33 | imaginaryman | I know that sigh |
| 17:46.10 | aPpYe | I am thinking I know what to do here... thanks. |
| 17:47.07 | Raptors | Does anyone know what the 32bit opengl file is called? |
| 17:47.54 | fxiny | otp is not a pass but the only unbreakable type of encryption |
| 17:49.08 | llutz | only if keylenght>=textlength |
| 17:49.10 | mms_ | is there way I can get amplification of sound when playing mplayer |
| 17:49.50 | stew | mms_: search for "gain" int he mplayer manual |
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| 17:52.45 | mms_ | ok |
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| 17:56.13 | Raptors | Does anyone know what the 32bit opengl file is called? |
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| 17:57.36 | Bushmills | otp doesn't say anything about breakable or unbreakable encryption. instead, it just eliminates reusing the same password over and over again |
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| 17:58.56 | Bushmills | with a weak encryption algorithmus, even otp secured data is cracked in short time, using statistical methods, for example. |
| 17:59.03 | Raptors | nm, I found it. nvidia-glx-ia32 |
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| 17:59.43 | fxiny | Bushmills: is unbreakable , see wikipedia and (for perl lovers) http://www.cypherspace.org/rsa/otp.html |
| 17:59.50 | Bushmills | exception is if key length equals data length |
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| 18:00.15 | Bushmills | (or is longer than data) |
| 18:00.53 | Justin | the use of a OTP like that really isn't encryption, the end result will be indistinguishable from random data |
| 18:01.00 | fxiny | the week point is hot to build the pad |
| 18:01.05 | fxiny | how* |
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| 18:02.06 | fxiny | you can encrypt with pencil and paper your password easy |
| 18:02.47 | JordiGH | Alright, I got rid of the experimental intel driver, let's see if I still experience lockups. :-/ |
| 18:02.59 | JordiGH | brb rebooting |
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| 18:04.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 18:04.26 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny7; sid: 2:2.9.1-4; squeeze: 2:2.9.1-4; experimental: 2:2.12.0-1 |
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| 18:06.29 | Wilthril | hi guys |
| 18:07.09 | pallgone | !hi |
| 18:07.10 | dpkg | hello, pallgone |
| 18:07.17 | Wilthril | my computer completely froze but I don't know why, and I haven't found anything relevant in /var/log/syslog nor in /var/log/messages... where should I look at? |
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| 18:07.31 | mms_ | mplayer âaf volnorm media.avi |
| 18:07.42 | mms_ | this gave me most volume |
| 18:07.52 | mms_ | how to put into config file ? |
| 18:07.59 | mms_ | so I dont have to keep passing it |
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| 18:08.26 | jordanm | mms_: use a bash alias |
| 18:08.42 | jordanm | !tell mms_ about alias |
| 18:08.48 | stew | it could perhaps be put into a .mplayerrc, but I'm not familiar with that file |
| 18:09.26 | stew | perhaps "echo vf=volnorm >> ~/.mplayerrc" but that is a complete guess |
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| 18:11.07 | mms_ | stew its af |
| 18:11.11 | mms_ | so may be so |
| 18:11.13 | stew | yeah, that |
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| 18:12.15 | mms_ | yes it seems to work |
| 18:12.39 | mms_ | thanks guys...after 4 days I have alsa working today...I had to probably just reset alsa |
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| 18:14.04 | emma | im curious to hear from any random people here, which they prefer 'apt' or 'aptitude'. And if you could give any plausible argument to support your preference. |
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| 18:14.19 | JordiGH | !why aptitutde |
| 18:14.24 | JordiGH | !why-aptitutde |
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| 18:14.28 | mms_ | bye |
| 18:14.29 | JordiGH | !why-aptitude |
| 18:14.30 | mms_ | thanks |
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| 18:14.33 | JordiGH | Dammit. |
| 18:14.35 | stew | do it harder |
| 18:14.47 | JordiGH | !why aptitude |
| 18:14.47 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 18:15.02 | JordiGH | !why not aptitude |
| 18:15.02 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases. |
| 18:15.05 | JordiGH | emma: ^^ |
| 18:15.32 | JordiGH | stew: Hard enough for you? |
| 18:15.45 | emma | JordiGH: what! |
| 18:15.48 | stew | thanks |
| 18:16.01 | JordiGH | emma: What you say! |
| 18:16.38 | emma | JordiGH: I distinctly remember being in this self-same channel and that self-same bot telling me why Aptitude was superior. |
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| 18:17.49 | emma | stew ^ |
| 18:18.09 | stew | emma: did the "dpkg" bot not answer your questions? |
| 18:18.12 | helo | is it easy for me to set up two eth devices that both use the same physical ethernet device and link, one using dhcp and one using a static ip? |
| 18:18.30 | emma | stew: which do you use? |
| 18:18.35 | helo | my current setup requires two ethernet cards, but both are plugged into the same hub |
| 18:18.44 | helo | surely this can be done in software |
| 18:18.48 | stew | emma: aptitude |
| 18:19.02 | valdyn | helo: it is easy |
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| 18:19.06 | emma | stew: i do as well. Why do you prefer aptitude personally? |
| 18:19.13 | JordiGH | I think Ubuntu recently removed aptitude from the core install. |
| 18:19.25 | emma | They are going to. |
| 18:19.27 | stew | emma: for the better dependency resolution |
| 18:19.28 | JordiGH | sneers at Ubuntu from the Debian across the widening divide. |
| 18:19.32 | Justin | helo: yes, just add a seconday address |
| 18:20.11 | JordiGH | emma: The Debian release notes for lenny and I think etch were written for aptitude, not for apt-get. The dist upgrade is tested with aptitude too. |
| 18:20.25 | emma | aptitude is superior then. you see. |
| 18:20.26 | helo | Justin: an app forcefully runs "dhclient eth0", requriing there to be a different device name that won't be affected |
| 18:20.39 | JordiGH | emma: Well, some people still prefer dselect to either one of them. |
| 18:20.49 | valdyn | helo: ifconfig eth0:0 <static ip> |
| 18:20.50 | emma | Here's the thing -- i use aptitude and i was really looking for confirmation that I was doing the best thing. |
| 18:20.58 | valdyn | helo: tias |
| 18:21.07 | JordiGH | emma: You should destroy in battle anyone who opposes you. |
| 18:21.27 | emma | JordiGH: it shall be done according to prophecy |
| 18:21.30 | valdyn | emma: nothing is ever best in that broad sense |
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| 18:22.50 | helo | valdyn: is there a way to do that from interfaces? |
| 18:22.54 | noahir | how do i display full path of file ? |
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| 18:23.13 | Justin | noahir: what file? |
| 18:23.24 | noahir | Justin: tar.gz |
| 18:23.24 | valdyn | helo: nothing special, just set up another interface, like eth0:0 |
| 18:23.36 | Justin | noahir: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:23.41 | valdyn | helo: ( in interfaces too ) |
| 18:23.43 | noahir | sftp file |
| 18:23.46 | noahir | but omg |
| 18:23.47 | noahir | i cant |
| 18:23.48 | stew | noahir: echo $PWD/filename |
| 18:23.51 | stew | ? |
| 18:23.52 | noahir | it say file notfound |
| 18:23.53 | Justin | you don't need to know the full path of a file to scp it |
| 18:23.56 | helo | oh this is great... thanks :) |
| 18:24.10 | stew | noahir: what exactly are you typing and what exactly is the error? |
| 18:24.16 | cahoot | he needs to know where he's got it? |
| 18:24.35 | noahir | get path |
| 18:24.40 | Justin | cahoot: not really, if you are copying it TO somewhere you dont need to know where it is if it is in your current directory |
| 18:24.43 | noahir | Couldn't stat remote file: No such file or directory |
| 18:24.48 | noahir | wtf |
| 18:24.57 | Justin | or if you are copying it FROm a remote host but it is in your home directory you don't need to know the exact path |
| 18:25.05 | cahoot | Justin: well if h doesn't know where it is in the first place? |
| 18:25.15 | helo | ftp? |
| 18:25.15 | Justin | cahoot: obviously he does if he wants to copy it somewhere |
| 18:25.17 | noahir | File not found |
| 18:25.20 | noahir | helo: sftp |
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| 18:25.28 | Justin | noahir: what makes you think you have a file with that name? |
| 18:25.37 | valdyn | he really wanted to use scp |
| 18:25.45 | noahir | Justin: im sshdthere also |
| 18:25.55 | Justin | noahir: oh, and what do you see(pastebin would help here) |
| 18:25.58 | noahir | damn my space doesnt work |
| 18:26.19 | noahir | Justin: it just say the file isnt there |
| 18:26.23 | noahir | can be some hide file ? |
| 18:26.30 | Justin | no |
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| 18:26.31 | stew | noahir: "pwd" in the sftp client would tell you the current remote directory |
| 18:26.31 | noahir | its located in /home/user/.../file |
| 18:26.35 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: So do you have something working with squeeze and intel now? |
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| 18:26.45 | Justin | noahir: forget about where it is located. pastebin what you have in your terminal |
| 18:26.46 | stew | noahir: (and also would in the ssh session) |
| 18:26.54 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Well, let's see. I seem to get lockups when RAM usage is high. |
| 18:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: It's not clear from my searching that it's not the i915 kernel driver, and/or it's intereaction with the xorg intel driver. |
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| 18:27.01 | JordiGH | is afraid of trying that just right now. |
| 18:27.02 | Justin | stew: right.. clearly he ran ls or something and saw that the file exists.... |
| 18:27.11 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Do you have a few bug numbers to go look at? |
| 18:27.27 | stew | i'm not sure anything we know "clearly" yet |
| 18:27.34 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: My GUI is just unusable, although it appeared to load successfully a couple of times. |
| 18:27.34 | Justin | good point |
| 18:27.46 | noahir | Justin: stew its ok now |
| 18:28.03 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: I didn't save 'em. Lots under xorg-server-video-intel. |
| 18:28.44 | noahir | Justin: stew : i was just lost in all of this ssh hosts...and i SSHD to my localhost LOL ! |
| 18:28.47 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 18:29.08 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: It's multi-distro too. |
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| 18:29.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:29.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:30.59 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Hm. Has the X strike force stepped up to comment? |
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| 18:31.35 | noahir | wtf that means ? |
| 18:31.48 | noahir | Couldn't open local file "irssi" for writing: Permission denied |
| 18:31.53 | noahir | it say when i try to download |
| 18:31.56 | noahir | through sftp |
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| 18:32.51 | JordiGH | noahir: I think permission was denied. |
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| 18:33.17 | helo | hmm... eth0:0 doesn't seem to work... eth0 via dhcp pulls one subnet, and i need the eth0:0 on a different subnet |
| 18:33.24 | seraphim | hi there, i´ve tried the debian live cd but my monitor says "input not supported", may there is a fix for that? |
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| 18:34.16 | helo | ifconfig shows eth0:0 using the right subnet, but i can't get any packets through |
| 18:34.27 | noahir | JordiGH: how do i set permission to download ? |
| 18:34.44 | JordiGH | noahir: You probably don't have write permission to wherever sftp is trying to write to. |
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| 18:35.05 | noahir | can i set it ? |
| 18:35.07 | noahir | :X |
| 18:35.13 | noahir | on host |
| 18:35.14 | noahir | i mean |
| 18:35.15 | r3m | Hi, ntfs-3g is still not include in the newest kernel? why? |
| 18:35.28 | JordiGH | noahir: lcd |
| 18:35.34 | JordiGH | I think... |
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| 18:35.40 | noahir | lcd ? |
| 18:35.50 | JordiGH | local cd |
| 18:35.58 | JordiGH | to change the local directory, to which you will write to. |
| 18:36.06 | noahir | omg |
| 18:36.17 | JordiGH | zomg |
| 18:36.49 | stew | lpwd will tell you the current local directory |
| 18:36.54 | noahir | you speak mongolian against me -_- |
| 18:37.35 | Wilthril | my computer completely froze but I don't know why, and I haven't found anything relevant in /var/log/syslog nor in /var/log/messages... where should I look at? |
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| 18:38.07 | JordiGH | Wilthril: Hey, are you using the Intel video chipset? |
| 18:38.18 | imaginaryman | haha |
| 18:38.20 | Wilthril | nope nvidia with proprietary drivers |
| 18:38.30 | imaginaryman | if I had a penny |
| 18:38.40 | JordiGH | Wilthril: Ah, oh well. |
| 18:38.46 | Wilthril | 1st time it crashes :) |
| 18:38.58 | JordiGH | Wilthril: I'm having lockups and I suspect it's that driver's fault. |
| 18:39.20 | imaginaryman | check your X11 logs |
| 18:39.33 | Wilthril | imaginaryman : you mean xorg logs? |
| 18:39.52 | imaginaryman | a misnomer yup |
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| 18:40.20 | JordiGH | X. |
| 18:40.36 | JordiGH | X11 wasn't that common way to refer to X. I blame Apple. |
| 18:40.39 | imaginaryman | any burning applications that use the ffmpeg as a backend? |
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| 18:40.46 | JordiGH | Apple is to blame for most of my computer woes. |
| 18:40.48 | imaginaryman | im looking to make some DVDs |
| 18:40.49 | fxiny | crashes , only ? if i click a quicktime links my old PII reboots ! |
| 18:40.56 | noahir | i need to set privileges ? |
| 18:41.03 | noahir | to that file to get it sftped ? |
| 18:41.20 | JordiGH | imaginaryman: I think there's some dvdburner that's actually called like that, but I think it's in Marillat's. Grep his archive for "burn". |
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| 18:41.57 | Wilthril | imaginaryman: that's so weird in Xorg.0.log.old it ends a week ago, and in Xorg.0.log it starts with the last boot (after it crashed...) |
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| 18:42.24 | imaginaryman | hmmm |
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| 18:44.00 | imaginaryman | JordiGh: how do I list just his packages I have him in source already? |
| 18:44.39 | JordiGH | Errr.... I think there's a way to do it with aptitude. |
| 18:45.10 | imaginaryman | any one? How do I list out a repos package list? |
| 18:45.38 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude search *? |
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| 18:45.52 | jhutchins_lt | imaginaryman: There are around 30,000 packages available in debian. |
| 18:45.53 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: But if you only want to search within a mirror. |
| 18:46.04 | pzn | when I "ssh -v" to a machine, it works ok. when I "ssh -v -X" it locks forever at the line "debug1: Sending env LANG = C". is there any package that I need to install in destination machine to use "X forwarding"? machine has only debootstrap + openssh_server packages. |
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| 18:46.18 | stew | imaginaryman: have a look in /var/lib/apt/lists or query thoses lists using tools from the grep-dctrl package |
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| 18:46.29 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Your search will run against the index retrieved from whatever mirror is in your sources list. |
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| 18:47.25 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: So I wasn't clear on whether you have squeeze running with an intel 855 or not. |
| 18:47.29 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: But if you have more than mirror... |
| 18:47.46 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: I just switched to squeeze. Was running experimental drivers. |
| 18:48.04 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: The mirrors are _supposed_ to have a standardized package list/set. |
| 18:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Which chipset? |
| 18:49.25 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Sigh... different mirrors can have different packages. I know you can do /foo to sort by distro, but... well, are you really not understanding my question? |
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| 18:50.54 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: I can't ever figure out chipset names, but lspci reports: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) |
| 18:51.15 | imaginaryman | thank you I did not know that list was there thats great for digging in |
| 18:51.20 | JordiGH | It's like there's the card name, the chipset name, the marketing name, and the super secret name, which are all different. |
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| 18:55.14 | pzn | how can I login to another machine with "ssh -X" if /home/username in the target machine is read-only and ssh tries to create /home/username/.Xauthority file? |
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| 18:58.05 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 18:58.13 | JordiGH | Why is your homedir read-only? |
| 18:58.18 | JordiGH | What kind of perverse sysadmin do you have? |
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| 18:58.39 | JordiGH | pzn: I guess your sysadmin doesn't want you to do X forwarding nor anything useful. |
| 18:58.51 | fxiny | the BOFH editor ? ;P |
| 18:59.02 | Phil | I guess the system is readonly because of a disk error |
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| 18:59.44 | dondelelcaro | pzn: if there is a user-writable filesystem anywhere, you can do it manually |
| 18:59.55 | dondelelcaro | pzn: and if you were crazy, you could use -Y |
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| 19:00.25 | pzn | JordiGH, target is a diskless station... only /tmp is writeable. |
| 19:00.27 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: I suppose you could google <searchterm> site:<mirror> |
| 19:00.54 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: So aptitude can't do it/ |
| 19:00.55 | JordiGH | ? |
| 19:01.00 | JordiGH | is disappoint. |
| 19:01.07 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: You do have a different chipset than I do, and yes, the identifying terms can be annoying, but I think yours would be referred to as a GL960. |
| 19:01.58 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Gotta understand how aptitude searches. It checksums the index it downloaded from the server, downloads updates to the index only (if told to), and searches the local index. |
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| 19:02.16 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: I believe it can tell you which repo a file is found in. |
| 19:02.24 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: The index says from which mirror an entry is... |
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| 19:02.51 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, time to start gathering resources to go trim horse hooves and retrieve motorcycle parts. |
| 19:03.09 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: It might, I'm not sure. Repo yes, mirror, ? |
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| 19:03.27 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Well, it has to record from which URL to download the package! |
| 19:03.38 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: apt-cache policy certainly knows this information. |
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| 19:04.24 | stew | multiple Releases can have the same url for a package however |
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| 19:04.59 | stew | like that's not enough to know if a file came from my sid source or my testing source |
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| 19:05.17 | pzn | dondelelcaro, -Y also does not work... ssh hangs for about a minute, then in logs in but x11 does not work. |
| 19:05.18 | foetus | a question - does anybody know an console ftp client with full http-proxy support? suggestions welcome.. |
| 19:05.37 | dondelelcaro | pzn: run with -vv; does -X also log in? |
| 19:07.07 | pzn | dondelelcaro, -X also logs in, but after about a minute. without -X is logs in 1 second. running with -X -vv... last message is "debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768"... lets wait a minute and check next messages |
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| 19:07.08 | fxiny | same url for a package ? so this daudit is not working ? http://simple.be/software/daudit/ |
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| 19:07.29 | fxiny | i have a stable only . so i never checked it |
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| 19:09.11 | solifugus | Does anyone know of any drivers that work to connect to ms sql server via php? |
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| 19:09.50 | dondelelcaro | solifugus: there are various oldb things, though my recommendation is to not use ms sql. |
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| 19:12.41 | pzn | dondelelcaro, JordiGH, I put the ssh -vv log here: http://pastebin.com/ANwnBDhu |
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| 19:19.19 | foetus | ok. nobody. so i must deal with frox, but i'm not quite happy with this solution.. |
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| 19:22.22 | jcapinc | can someone help me understand what syslog is and how I access it? It is a little confusing |
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| 19:23.06 | jcapinc | nvm, answered my own question |
| 19:23.16 | dondelelcaro | pzn: cool; it looks like it set up the X11 forwarding, but wasn't able to set DISPLAY or configure the mit cookies appropriately |
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| 19:27.50 | solifugus | dondelelcaro: most linux people don't use msssql out of free will.. I need to get data from someone else's server... |
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| 19:31.26 | dondelelcaro | solifugus: there's also php5-sybase; which probably works |
| 19:32.04 | solifugus | dondelelcaro: doesn't seem to work for me. |
| 19:32.49 | solifugus | using php-cli, i get a SQLSTATE 010002 (disconnected error).. and using mod_php under apache, I get "driver not found" error. |
| 19:33.08 | jordanm | is it possible to unmount a removable drive that has already been removed? the force option says that it is for NFS, and does not work in this case. |
| 19:33.13 | Justin | solifugus: you need to edit the php.ini for apache and enable the module most likely |
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| 19:34.13 | jordanm | disregard my last questions, I was doing some obviously stupid... |
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| 19:34.20 | solifugus | Justin: I'm looking in there.. the difference between php cli and mod_php php.ini files are a three irrelevant variables: expose_php, memory_limit, and file_size |
| 19:36.01 | solifugus | If I could figure out where the actual odbc driver is, I could try using the generic odbc method of connecting.. instead of directly using dblib |
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| 19:37.18 | couannette | I've upgraded Lenny->Squeeze this week and discovered insserv |
| 19:37.31 | couannette | I've looked into init script optimizations |
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| 19:38.20 | couannette | I'm really confused by multiple init scripts that looks like similar or very close : |
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| 19:38.46 | couannette | S06hdparm S15console-screen.sh S16console-setup |
| 19:39.00 | abrotman | hdparm looks like console ? |
| 19:39.08 | couannette | does someone has clues about all this ? |
| 19:39.15 | Justin | couannette: yeah, upstart really simplified init scripts, most of them are only a few lines.. hopefully debian will switch to it at some point |
| 19:39.15 | couannette | no |
| 19:39.17 | couannette | lol |
| 19:39.37 | couannette | my fault, I look at one line and copied another ;) |
| 19:39.45 | couannette | S05keymap.sh |
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| 19:40.14 | neoice | squeeze was going to be the last version with Xen support, correct? |
| 19:40.18 | couannette | so, they are : S05keymap.sh S15console-screen.sh S16console-setup |
| 19:40.45 | couannette | upstart ? |
| 19:41.09 | couannette | not installed right now |
| 19:41.13 | peeroy | hi im an idiot, should i buy a mac? |
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| 19:41.57 | abrotman | peeroy: do you have a Debian related question? |
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| 19:42.14 | couannette | one question : during boot the screen is cleared at some time (before entering runlevel 2), how could I suppress this clear ? |
| 19:42.28 | peeroy | nope |
| 19:42.48 | peeroy | just thought u geeks know what i should buy |
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| 19:43.57 | stew | peeroy: try ##hardware |
| 19:44.02 | couannette | peeroy: Debian could be installed on a Mac, so no problem ;) |
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| 19:47.50 | neoice | couannette, peeroy: latest macbook pro is missing SATA drivers in kernel-latest upstream |
| 19:48.20 | neoice | you can boot busybox |
| 19:48.33 | couannette | :^) |
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| 19:52.47 | caution | will /dev/shm ever use a swap file? |
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| 19:59.51 | _joey | i have netinstall cd disc with Debian lenny. During boot bios does not recognise usb keybard and installation process halted. The computer is old. Is there any way to get around this till kernel loads usb modules and can use the keyboard? |
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| 20:04.43 | SVD | Guys can anyone recommend a good VPS provider except Linode and Slicehost? |
| 20:04.58 | abrotman | !hosting |
| 20:04.58 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
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| 20:06.02 | jordanm | SVD: grokthis.net . on the list above and very... debian friendly |
| 20:06.15 | Infin1ty | how can i force a resync of a raid array, i keep getting rsync=DELAYED in /proc/mdstat , can't find the command to force resync |
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| 20:08.18 | SVD | Thanks |
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| 20:11.02 | FunctorSalad_ | the 'ept-cache' programs claims it has been superseded by 'apt-xapian-search' (axi) |
| 20:11.20 | FunctorSalad_ | but the latter doesn't appear to have the 'ept-cache related' feature of the former :( |
| 20:12.45 | ttyS1 | what program can I use to record audio from the shell using a microphone ? |
| 20:13.26 | jordanm | ttyS1: arecord |
| 20:13.27 | FunctorSalad_ | ttyS1: sox |
| 20:13.32 | imaginaryman | hug |
| 20:13.32 | imaginaryman | gl |
| 20:13.34 | FunctorSalad_ | (or its wrapper 'record' or so) |
| 20:13.42 | KB1JWQ | 0 |
| 20:13.55 | FunctorSalad_ | 'rec' actually |
| 20:14.00 | imaginaryman | any one here familiar with DVDauthor |
| 20:14.02 | imaginaryman | ? |
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| 20:15.28 | wald0 | what's the next name after squeeze ? |
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| 20:16.15 | stew | wald0: it has not yet been chosen (or if it has, the RMs haven't announced it yet) |
| 20:16.40 | _joey | hello stew |
| 20:16.54 | stew | aloha |
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| 20:18.24 | _joey | can debian installer be automated to pass the initial stage and load usb module? the bios on my computer, which is old, does not detect usb keyboards :( |
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| 20:18.48 | ttyS1 | FunctorSalad_: thanks. do you know if I can do the same with video ? |
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| 20:18.54 | FunctorSalad_ | so am I the only one who used 'ept-cache related'? :( |
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| 20:19.00 | FunctorSalad_ | ttyS1: nope |
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| 20:19.08 | FunctorSalad_ | (I mean I don't know how, surely you can :)) |
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| 20:22.09 | stew | _joey: have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 20:26.06 | LightKnight | Hello. I'm using insserv for my init scripts and, although fetchmail has a Should-Start: $mail-transport-agent, it still starts after postfix. Anyone knows where can I look to fix this? |
| 20:26.23 | LightKnight | ehm... it still starts *before* postfix. |
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| 20:31.19 | _joey | stew thanks |
| 20:31.51 | _joey | I preconfigured via web and now I can download iso based on the settings. The installation process will be automated |
| 20:31.59 | _joey | http://www.instalinux.com |
| 20:32.21 | frikinz | If my webmail allows to connect on its smtp port, what should I configure? I'm using exim4. In the headers I now have my username as sender, I'd like it to be myrealaddress@webmail.com? Do I need rewrite rule? |
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| 20:33.46 | frikinz | My mua is mutt |
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| 20:34.52 | cockroach | frikinz: you can "set from=you@somewhere.com" in your .muttrc |
| 20:36.02 | jordanm | frikinz: ^ and also do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ; configure to relay via smarthost to that smtp password, and add you auth info /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 20:36.59 | frikinz | relay? I thought direct distribution. hum I need to read some doc |
| 20:37.05 | frikinz | cockroach: jordanm thanks |
| 20:37.16 | cockroach | you're welcome |
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| 20:39.20 | imaginaryman | so I have built all this cool software and customized debian tons |
| 20:39.28 | imaginaryman | how do I keep track of it all |
| 20:39.53 | imaginaryman | I know dpkg has something to do with ir |
| 20:39.56 | imaginaryman | it* |
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| 20:41.09 | frikinz | debsums -ce shows which configuration file has change |
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| 20:42.24 | stew | or use etckeeper |
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| 20:45.26 | frikinz | ah interesting didn't know this package. I do store my etc in git but manually. |
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| 20:46.35 | stew | frikinz: this one commits for you automatically when packages are installed/removed |
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| 20:48.29 | frikinz | I'd like it to commit whenever anything change actually.. so that I don't need to backup /etc. When a reinstall occurs I only need to pull from git. |
| 20:50.05 | frikinz | but there are also files in $HOME ... it's a pain every time to reconfigure everything |
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| 20:50.57 | jordanm | frikinz: backup everything |
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| 20:53.04 | frikinz | etckeeper + cron to commit seems what I need |
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| 20:53.20 | frikinz | jordanm: don't really want to backup system directories.. it's for my personal computers |
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| 20:53.57 | jordanm | frikinz: then etckeeper + /home backup |
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| 20:54.18 | jordanm | I still recommend full backups, but if you have more time to spend on restore and less disk space, then sure |
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| 20:57.22 | FunctorSalad_ | is there some way to reset file permissions to what they'd be after a clean install? |
| 20:57.32 | FunctorSalad_ | not just the special permissions in dpkg-statoverride... |
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| 20:57.43 | FunctorSalad_ | I had a little chmod accident |
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| 20:58.03 | FunctorSalad_ | (maybe it's not too bad to have bogus executables everywhere though?) |
| 20:58.18 | LightKnight | "chmod -R 777 /*" :-) |
| 20:58.37 | syslq | LightKnight: rofl |
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| 20:59.09 | FunctorSalad_ | LightKnight: I did an emergency chmod -R 755 / to fix a chmod -R 644 / (which is instant death; I had to do it from a rescue disk) |
| 21:00.11 | LightKnight | 644 is not so bad, you jut had to restore exec permissions on dir, yes? |
| 21:00.14 | LightKnight | *just |
| 21:00.20 | FunctorSalad_ | well 'emergency' in the sense that I couldn't be bothered to hunt down all the things that need to be executable for the system to boot ;) |
| 21:00.22 | LightKnight | oh, and executable files, of course :) |
| 21:01.28 | FunctorSalad_ | I did already reset files that have to be 600, it's just lingering 755 files that should be 644... |
| 21:01.42 | frikinz | I used to backup permissions too with getfacl (from acl package) |
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| 21:01.57 | FunctorSalad_ | probably doesn't really matter unless it's a hook directory where everything executable is executed |
| 21:02.34 | LightKnight | anyway, "dpkg -c <package.deb>" should also show file permission, shouldn't it? |
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| 21:03.09 | LightKnight | if you still have the .debs, that is... |
| 21:03.39 | FunctorSalad_ | yes, my system has been running again for some time :) |
| 21:03.53 | FunctorSalad_ | just trying to avoid obscure errors from it... |
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| 21:04.22 | FunctorSalad_ | (speaking of obscure errors, apparently setting VERBOSE=1 and DEBUG=1 in ucf.conf makes texlive-binaries fail to install :o) |
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| 21:04.38 | North_Italian69 | is it possible to download only the base system (no gdm gui etc)? |
| 21:04.42 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. I have strange errors about "Out of memory (malloc failed)" in avifix but I have many swap without use... |
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| 21:05.46 | Neicho | hy |
| 21:06.07 | Neicho | can anyone help me with estabilishing email server on debian |
| 21:06.12 | EduardeCalibal | I have errors after all ram is used... If this help. |
| 21:06.19 | Neicho | or just the option to send mails |
| 21:06.33 | cockroach | apt-get install postfix |
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| 21:06.37 | cockroach | :) |
| 21:06.39 | frikinz | FunctorSalad_: take a clean system , do getfacl -R > back.perm and on your broken system, setfacl --restore=back.perm |
| 21:06.44 | Neicho | hmmm and than |
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| 21:07.00 | cockroach | Neicho: it's going to ask you a few questions |
| 21:07.20 | FunctorSalad_ | frikinz: *nod* |
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| 21:07.48 | Neicho | hmm what shall i choose |
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| 21:08.08 | Neicho | internet site, itnernet with smarthost, satelite,local only |
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| 21:08.14 | Neicho | or no configuration |
| 21:08.31 | Neicho | what is best for default website |
| 21:08.33 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.41 | EduardeCalibal | internet to internet. |
| 21:08.42 | Neicho | normal website i mean |
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| 21:09.23 | Neicho | dont rly understand best this one... internet or local... |
| 21:09.25 | foetus | console ftp client found: mc :) works like a charme with squid, unbelievable.. |
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| 21:09.39 | EduardeCalibal | You have a real domain? |
| 21:09.42 | Neicho | yep |
| 21:09.47 | qwd | Which font is used in the terminal during startup? |
| 21:09.47 | cockroach | Neicho: if it's a machine "in the internet" (i.e. with static ip & stuff), use internet site. or read some docs until you understand what you're doing :) |
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| 21:09.58 | LightKnight | FunctorSalad_: have a look at dh_fixperms too. |
| 21:09.59 | EduardeCalibal | And have this server to send messages with your domain? |
| 21:10.27 | Neicho | emm i actualy use google to receive emails for domain |
| 21:10.33 | Neicho | i just need to send emails |
| 21:10.37 | Neicho | for recover passwords etc |
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| 21:11.24 | EduardeCalibal | You need configure, I think. In any case the best option is internet. |
| 21:12.05 | foetus | :)mc over squid:) |
| 21:12.23 | Neicho | ok i choosen internet.. instalation is completed now |
| 21:12.38 | Neicho | now i can test if it send emails threw consoel right? |
| 21:12.45 | Neicho | console* |
| 21:13.05 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.31 | Neicho | yeah i ll try and report |
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| 21:14.51 | honschu | Is 9pm 21:00 Uhr? |
| 21:14.57 | Neicho | woho works like charm :D |
| 21:15.10 | Neicho | yeah it is |
| 21:15.26 | frikinz | what if my password contains special chars (like ':') in exim4_passwd_client |
| 21:15.35 | frikinz | \ I guess |
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| 21:15.47 | laurus | When Debian starts up and it checks one's hard drive, is it using fsck? |
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| 21:16.21 | Neicho | @ EduardeCalial is there any special config need to be made now? |
| 21:16.41 | Neicho | like usernames or something that will be seen as sender |
| 21:17.08 | foetus | this is ftp browsing with afterburner on :) |
| 21:17.23 | EduardeCalibal | Your server need real users, you need add, define passwords or user the local system users (I dont like this idea). |
| 21:17.34 | foetus | (all offtopic) |
| 21:17.46 | LightKnight | Sorry people -- I'm using insserv for my init scripts and, although fetchmail has a Should-Start: $mail-transport-agent, it still starts before postfix. Anyone knows where can I look to fix this? |
| 21:17.59 | nachoL | laurus: i thinks so |
| 21:18.09 | laurus | nachoL, is there any way I can find the exact command it runs? |
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| 21:18.31 | laurus | I'm trying to use the same command to check my backup hard drive, and I wasn't sure if it was just 'fsck <path to disk>' or 'fsck <options> <path to disk>'. |
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| 21:18.37 | Neicho | ok Eduard tnx |
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| 21:19.27 | nachoL | laurus: "fsck /dev/sdx" I think |
| 21:19.30 | rgr | should update-java-alternatives not set things like JDK_HOME? |
| 21:19.36 | laurus | nachoL, thanks! |
| 21:19.41 | frikinz | laurus: both |
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| 21:19.55 | rgr | googling around I'm really not sure of the proper way of maintainung java on debian squeeze. |
| 21:20.00 | frikinz | ah no it's more tricky from the manpage |
| 21:20.02 | laurus | frikinz, how would you recommend doing it? When I run "sudo fsck /media/disk" I get "fsck.ext2: Is a directory while trying to open /media/disk." |
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| 21:20.39 | frikinz | laurus: you have to give the device name /dev/sdaX |
| 21:20.40 | EduardeCalibal | laurus, I think is some like nachoL line. |
| 21:20.55 | nachoL | laurus: the volume has to be "umounted" |
| 21:21.04 | nachoL | laurus: not mounted |
| 21:21.08 | laurus | Oh, really, okay. |
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| 21:22.10 | laurus | What about e2fsck by the way? |
| 21:22.39 | frikinz | fsck <fsck_opt> <dev_name> -- <filesystem_specific options> but I've never needed this |
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| 21:23.00 | frikinz | fsck calls e2fsck if the system is ext2/3/4 |
| 21:23.25 | laurus | frikinz, thanks. Also, how do I know which device the drive is? |
| 21:23.53 | nachoL | use df |
| 21:23.57 | nachoL | df in a terminal |
| 21:24.04 | frikinz | no he said it's not mounted :) |
| 21:24.17 | frikinz | it's a removable disk? |
| 21:24.22 | laurus | frikinz, yes, an external USB hard drive. |
| 21:25.00 | frikinz | how many fixed disks do you have? if one then it'll be hdb. hdb1 will be the first partition on it |
| 21:25.07 | laurus | It's just one |
| 21:25.22 | frikinz | hum sdb1 |
| 21:25.42 | nachoL | sdb1 would be |
| 21:25.59 | frikinz | fsck /dev/sdb1 as root |
| 21:26.08 | laurus | Now when I run df, /media/disk doesn't show up, but sdb1 is still in "ls /dev". So now I can run fsck on /dev/sdb1? |
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| 21:26.20 | nachoL | yes! |
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| 21:26.35 | frikinz | and if it would be mounted, you would get a big warning |
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| 21:27.09 | laurus | Thanks nachoL and frikinz. I'm going to try it now. |
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| 21:28.01 | laurus | By the way, what is the difference between "/sbin/e2fsck -f -c -n <drive>" and "fsck <drive>"? |
| 21:28.10 | laurus | I'm looking at this backup script: http://www.fr-tech.net/freestuff/rsync_backup.txt. |
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| 21:29.25 | laurus | Also, how do I get that neat little progress bar to show up like it does when I start up Debian every 20th time? |
| 21:29.44 | nachoL | laurus: have a look at man e2fsck |
| 21:29.47 | frikinz | In actuality, fsck is simply a front-end for the various file system checkers (fsck.fstype) available under Linux. fsck.ext2 and e2fsck are the same. |
| 21:29.57 | frikinz | (from man fsck) |
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| 21:30.13 | nachoL | laurus: -f forces the check, etc |
| 21:30.22 | laurus | frikinz, right, I just wondered why that script chose to enable those three options specifically. |
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| 21:32.51 | nachoL | laurus: no idea about the progress bar |
| 21:32.57 | laurus | nachoL, thanks anyway! :) |
| 21:33.22 | nachoL | laurus: no problem ;) |
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| 21:42.40 | frikinz | an inode is just a reference to a file |
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| 21:42.46 | thrashold | laurus: remove it from the filesystem. |
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| 21:42.47 | Ageek | hola |
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| 21:42.48 | laurus | thrashold, frikinz thanks |
| 21:42.49 | Ageek | alguien me puede decir la direccion del pastebin??? |
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| 21:42.49 | thrashold | frikinz: It would be better description if you say it the other way round. The files are linked to inodes. |
| 21:42.49 | laurus | By the way, is "1.1% non-contiguous" a problem? |
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| 21:43.27 | LightKnight | laurus: no, it's just an extremely low fragmentation, it should never grow much. |
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| 21:43.42 | laurus | LightKnight, thanks. Sorry to be such a doofus about all of this, I've just never dealt with any of this before. |
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| 21:44.11 | laurus | Does rsync preserve the defragmented status of the files? Or does it just copy them. |
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| 21:44.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should it preserve that? |
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| 21:44.53 | Lantizia | hey when I start postfix using init.d - no errors... but not responding on port 25 |
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| 21:45.04 | laurus | CutMeOwnThroat, no idea, just wanted to make sure. |
| 21:45.06 | Lantizia | where should I look first? can't see any issues in the /var/log directory |
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| 21:45.20 | thrashold | laurus: It doesn't preserve anything but the directory structure and file contents (well, maybe symlink data, file attributes and hard links if you configure it to) |
| 21:45.35 | cockroach | Lantizia: /var/log/mail.* or /var/log/mail/* |
| 21:45.36 | laurus | thrashold, great. Thanks for all the help! |
| 21:45.48 | Lantizia | cockroach, yup looked at those |
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| 21:45.58 | cockroach | Lantizia: or check if it's running at all with ps ax | grep postfix |
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| 21:46.34 | Lantizia | cockroach, this is? /usr/lib/postfix/master |
| 21:46.38 | Lantizia | if so then yes |
| 21:46.44 | cockroach | Lantizia: looks good, yes |
| 21:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lantizia, messages, syslog, perhaps dmesg? You can add -x after /bin/bash, then run the specific command(s) manually, too |
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| 21:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that probably doesn't do much if it's started |
| 21:47.16 | cockroach | Lantizia: and telnet localhost 25 doesn't work? |
| 21:47.26 | Lantizia | cockroach, precisely |
| 21:47.59 | cockroach | Lantizia: interesting |
| 21:48.30 | Lantizia | it's a new install however - so I'm betting config problem |
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| 21:49.06 | cockroach | Lantizia: if you stop postfix and start it manually (not sure about the syntax, check the init script), does it complain? |
| 21:49.37 | cockroach | Lantizia: (manually = not via init script) |
| 21:49.38 | LightKnight | /etc/init.d/postfix start |
| 21:49.45 | LightKnight | oh, sorry |
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| 21:50.08 | Lantizia | LightKnight, i know how to start it already |
| 21:50.36 | LightKnight | ok :) |
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| 21:51.05 | cockroach | Lantizia: btw, /var/log/daemon.log might also contain relevant information |
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| 21:52.42 | Lantizia | cockroach, nothing in there about postfix |
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| 21:53.02 | foetus | so..lets go to bed now bye |
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| 21:55.23 | cockroach | Lantizia: true, i don't have anything postfix-related in there either :) |
| 21:56.48 | cockroach | Lantizia: and in /var/log/syslog? |
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| 21:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't that be /usr/sbin/postfix instead of this thing called "master"? |
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| 21:59.05 | Lantizia | Cueball, no I think it looks ok - as I've another perfectly working postfix install on etch that gives the same result |
| 21:59.11 | cockroach | CutMeOwnThroat: it's just "/usr/lib/postfix/master" on my perfectly well-working installation too |
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| 21:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you already check the stupid stuff? |
| 21:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... are you trying to connect to 25 on localhost from the correct machine |
| 21:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
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| 22:00.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try from inside/outside, did you look with fuser/lsof if port 25 is used and by what? |
| 22:00.34 | cockroach | :) |
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| 22:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | the 2nd was actually for diagnosis and not in the category "stupid stuff"... but anyway |
| 22:01.34 | cockroach | CutMeOwnThroat: huh, didn't know you could use fuser for that. |
| 22:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser 25/tcp |
| 22:02.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be only root can do it for all ports |
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| 22:03.36 | cockroach__ | CutMeOwnThroat: sweet! |
| 22:03.36 | emma | does apt / aptitude use a database ? |
| 22:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg does |
| 22:04.10 | dpkg | does is probably the present third singular of do |
| 22:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | shaddup, dpkg |
| 22:04.18 | cockroach | lol |
| 22:05.13 | cockroach | Lantizia: did you check the stuff CutMeOwnThroat mentioned? |
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| 22:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt only resolves dependencies... |
| 22:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and database not in the sense of database software but in the sense of "a file with the function of a database" |
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| 22:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 22:06.59 | beardy | emma: aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache fetches and presents data from files. Depends what you mean when you say "databases", like CutMeOwnThroat said. |
| 22:07.41 | cockroach | also, they moo |
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| 22:07.55 | emma | i wonder if any advantage would come from being in a database. |
| 22:08.00 | beardy | emma: They don't use sql, normally. |
| 22:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | not aptitude... |
| 22:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma, yes... the slowness of installs has long been lamented... |
| 22:08.51 | beardy | emma: I doubt it. Mostly a hype that everything should be in a sql database. |
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| 22:09.30 | beardy | emma: Only adds, in this case, unecessary metadata and slowness. |
| 22:09.37 | emma | i see. |
| 22:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, I vaguely recall a bug from quite some years ago... |
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| 22:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | although... solutions more went into the direction of parallel downloads and installs a la "apt-fast" |
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| 22:12.16 | emma | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe what i really have in mind is, why not use a database to keep track of where all files are and such. That way you could find them faster maybe. |
| 22:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma, dlocate does that |
| 22:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's just about finding |
| 22:12.49 | s5s | What should I do if my video card (ATI) driver only compiles up to kernel 2.6.26. I tried compiling it on 2.6.32 and it complains about build errors. |
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| 22:13.08 | emma | CutMeOwnThroat: but then it seems logical that the database could do more than that, like keep track of how every file relates to one another, and dependencies and such. |
| 22:13.30 | cockroach | s5s: fglrx? |
| 22:13.35 | s5s | cockroach: yes |
| 22:14.04 | beardy | emma: The dependency structure of apt does that, for packages. If you want to know how one file depends on something else, it boils down to package dependencies anyway. |
| 22:14.14 | cockroach | s5s: did you check http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ? |
| 22:14.20 | s5s | cockroach: I was thinking of fixing the compilation errors but I don't know where I'm going with this and whether it's going to take a few hours or days, weeks, months |
| 22:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma, I think the feeling was to keep it as basic and transparent as possible, so that things can't go wrong much... (although that's just a guess) |
| 22:14.56 | beardy | emma: And dpkg can list the files of a package, apt-file find which package a file belongs to, 'locate' locate it. |
| 22:14.58 | frikinz | s5s: radeon open source driver does not support your card? |
| 22:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... I guess having a database in the install size would influence the sizte of a minimal install negatively |
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| 22:15.23 | beardy | Very much so.. |
| 22:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | size* |
| 22:15.41 | beardy | And very silly to have one running when it's not needed. |
| 22:15.51 | ironm | hi guys .. is there a possiblity to find out what kind of FS on additional linux partitions has been installed? (sda3 and sda4) .. I have there some data ... I can't mount them /from linux squeeze installed on sda1/ |
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| 22:15.54 | s5s | cockroach: ATI dropped support for my card a long time ago. So I have the latest driver which includes support for my card (X1400). New debian drivers most likely use the newest releases from ati and last time I tried them they didn't work |
| 22:15.58 | emma | i wonder if really a lot of things people do normally could be done as well with a flat file as with a database then. |
| 22:16.12 | beardy | emma: It could, in many cases. |
| 22:16.16 | dondelelcaro | emma: if you actually need to traverse the whole set, a flat file is generally fine |
| 22:16.25 | cockroach | s5s: as frikinz suggested, the X1400 should work fine with the open source radeon driver |
| 22:16.27 | dondelelcaro | emma: it's just a special form of a database, anyway |
| 22:16.28 | s5s | frikinz: Opps my last post was for you |
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| 22:16.41 | frikinz | s5s: radeon is in newer kernels |
| 22:16.51 | frikinz | s5s: very new kernel actaully |
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| 22:17.02 | beardy | Or rather the most common form of database.(?) |
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| 22:17.50 | cockroach | s5s: see http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 22:18.25 | cockroach | s5s: (yours should be an R5xx chip, afaik) |
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| 22:19.14 | frikinz | having a system rely on a database does not make me feel safe |
| 22:19.34 | ironm | # --- |
| 22:19.37 | ironm | hi guys .. is there a possiblity to find out what kind of FS on additional linux partitions has been installed? (sda3 and sda4) .. I have there some data ... I can't mount them /from linux squeeze installed on sda1/ |
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| 22:20.00 | ironm | thank you in advance for any hints ;) |
| 22:20.02 | LightKnight | fdisk/cfdisk/sfdisk/whatever? |
| 22:20.23 | ironm | LightKnight: I use fdisk |
| 22:20.28 | skath | ironm, sudo fdisk -l might help |
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| 22:20.29 | LightKnight | or gparted/whatever. |
| 22:20.41 | Tramp | ironm: file -s /dev/whatever |
| 22:20.55 | ironm | I have done it already skath ... # fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 22:20.55 | LightKnight | ironm: I use cfdisk, but fdisk can do too :) |
| 22:21.09 | frikinz | yep, file -s |
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| 22:21.33 | ironm | LightKnight: / Tramp just getting: /dev/sda3 10215 19941 78132127+ 83 Linux |
| 22:21.52 | ironm | and /dev/sda4 * 19942 30401 84019950 83 Linux |
| 22:21.53 | Tramp | ironm: not from "file -s" |
| 22:22.15 | ironm | Tramp: hmm .. how do you mean that? |
| 22:22.26 | frikinz | file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 22:22.38 | ironm | oh |
| 22:22.40 | Tramp | ironm: "file -s /dev/whatever" - what confuses you ? |
| 22:22.54 | ironm | sorry .. I will check it |
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| 22:23.12 | Tramp | good idea. |
| 22:23.23 | daniele9821 | hello all sameone know cacti? |
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| 22:23.49 | s5s | cockroach: is the OS driver going to automatically detect my card version? |
| 22:23.58 | cockroach | s5s: yep |
| 22:23.58 | ironm | Tramp: / frikinz /dev/sda3: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=a0f9adaa-cf76-4165-9b1b-7b45199a4fbf (extents) (large files) (huge files) |
| 22:24.15 | Tramp | great. so now you know |
| 22:24.36 | Tramp | yw. |
| 22:24.45 | frikinz | good that everything is a file :) |
| 22:25.24 | ironm | thank you very much Tramp , frikinz and LightKnight :)) |
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| 22:25.32 | LightKnight | :-) |
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| 22:25.44 | daniele9821 | is my turn now? |
| 22:25.46 | daniele9821 | ;) |
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| 22:26.21 | thewanderer1 | !tell daniele9821 about anyone |
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| 22:27.20 | daniele9821 | ok! i've installed cacti and now i want know if it's possibile to configure it to receive passive snmp |
| 22:27.57 | daniele9821 | for example i've a firewall hp that send trap snmp and i want know how i can manage it! |
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| 22:28.40 | thewanderer1 | daniele9821: http://cactiusers.org/forums/topic489.html |
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| 22:28.48 | ipc | .. |
| 22:29.02 | ironm | hmm .. Tramp , frikinz and LightKnight .. aehm .. I was an the wrong box .. getting just on my notebooksuch results for sda3 and sda4: /dev/sda3: data and /dev/sda4: data |
| 22:29.24 | LightKnight | date? O_o |
| 22:29.27 | LightKnight | *data |
| 22:29.46 | LightKnight | that's not good |
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| 22:31.16 | Tramp | ironm: bummer. If "file" doesn't know, nobody knows. Probably not a filesystem then. |
| 22:31.34 | daniele9821 | thewanderer1: wow very speed to do this....you've do this! |
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| 22:32.05 | Suguiura | Hey guys, do you know if there is any documentation about how Debian packages are conceptually organized? |
| 22:32.09 | ironm | I have some data there .. was installing some linux-es and moving the data from other partitions |
| 22:32.10 | frikinz | or maybe an old /usr/bin/file that does not have all magic? |
| 22:32.25 | ironm | frikinz: I can check it toot |
| 22:32.27 | ironm | too |
| 22:32.28 | Tramp | daniele9821: yeah, there is this "google" thing - sometimes really useful |
| 22:32.38 | thewanderer1 | daniele9821: alright, it's not very easy, but works - cacti is an rrd front-end after all, and needs external tools for traps |
| 22:32.46 | Chiggins | Hey all, I'm new to Debian, but not Linux. I would like to use Debian as my server OS, so what should I download to set it up? |
| 22:32.47 | jordanm | Suguiura: you mean the various sections? |
| 22:33.00 | daniele9821 | thewanderer1: sorry for my bad english, the question is you've installed cacti and you've configurate your router? |
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| 22:33.13 | jordanm | Chiggins: most want the 150mb netinst. newer hardware might require the kmuto installer |
| 22:33.30 | Chiggins | jordanm, does that install a gui as well? |
| 22:33.44 | jordanm | Chiggins: it install what you tell it to |
| 22:33.47 | thewanderer1 | daniele9821: no, I haven't - I'm not the cacti admin at my place |
| 22:33.55 | Suguiura | jordanm: I mean the releases and repositories (those main/contrib/non-free) part. |
| 22:34.10 | jordanm | !tell Suguiura about debian policy |
| 22:34.13 | Chiggins | jordanm, so i just download this, burn it to a disk, and it will install over the internet? |
| 22:34.34 | jordanm | Chiggins: yes, or a base system without internet |
| 22:34.36 | daniele9821 | thewanderer1: ah ok! i try to do this...but i think that is very difficulty! |
| 22:34.55 | Chiggins | Ok. Will it have decent support for kinda older hardware |
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| 22:36.03 | kevin009 | hey, what package do i install to get 3d support on the eeepc? |
| 22:36.24 | Suguiura | jordanm: I think so.... I need the definitions of those terms. |
| 22:36.30 | jordanm | !tell Chiggins about hcl |
| 22:36.43 | jordanm | Suguiura: did you look in the debian policy? |
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| 22:36.59 | Chiggins | alright thanks jordanm |
| 22:37.04 | ironm | Tramp , frikinz and LightKnight - are there maybe some hex-tools like hex-editor for hdd-sectors |
| 22:37.05 | jordanm | Suguiura: because that is the document that defines it... |
| 22:37.26 | Suguiura | jordanm: I'll check it out! Thanks! =) |
| 22:37.26 | jordanm | Suguiura: you will likely also be interested in the dfsg |
| 22:37.30 | jordanm | !tell Suguiura about dfsg |
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| 22:37.48 | LightKnight | ironm: I don't know |
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| 22:38.32 | Tramp | ironm: your /dev/sda* is a file representing your partition. So you can edit it with any hex-editor you like, if that's what you want |
| 22:38.54 | Tramp | it usually does not improve file-system integrity though. |
| 22:39.22 | ironm | Tramp: I would look only if I can find there some info about FS |
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| 22:40.13 | Tramp | ironm: maybe start with "strings /dev/whatever | less" - if you had text-data on there, it would show up (sooner or later....) |
| 22:40.36 | ironm | Tramp: a very good idea :) |
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| 22:41.13 | Tramp | ironm: check the "-n" parameter - you may want to set it to a higher value than the default .... |
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| 22:42.13 | frikinz | ironm: there is this tool "testdisk" although I've never tried it |
| 22:42.26 | ironm | frikinz: as a .deb package? |
| 22:42.42 | ironm | Tramp: the -n parameter of what ? |
| 22:42.59 | Tramp | strings |
| 22:43.24 | ipc | anyone good with css? |
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| 22:43.47 | frikinz | ironm: doesn't look like http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download |
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| 22:44.40 | ironm | frikinz / Tramp ... looks like I got it :)) .. running only string /dev/sda3 ... and getting like "FreeBSD/i386 boot" ;) |
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| 22:45.19 | ironm | frikinz / Tramp ... I guess I am not able to mount an freeBSD partition from debian squeeze .. |
| 22:45.30 | ironm | s/an/a/ |
| 22:45.32 | Tramp | honestly no idea |
| 22:45.46 | ironm | thank you very much guys :) !!! |
| 22:45.47 | jordanm | ipc: I would try #css |
| 22:46.06 | Tramp | If I had such a weird problem, I'd ask Google .... |
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| 22:58.57 | ironm | is it possible to mount an FreeBSD partition under Debian squeeze? .. what is the FS type for FreeBSD? |
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| 23:01.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | ironm: 'should be', and iirc 'ufs' |
| 23:01.51 | s5s | Can I send bug reports via smtp.gmail.com? |
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| 23:06.04 | qwd | If I have a partition with Windows 7, can I do full disk encryption for the rest of the disk during Debian installation or do I need to use the entire disk for that? |
| 23:06.33 | ipc | We're sorry, the AdWords interface does not work with Opera. We recommend using Firefox 3, Internet Explorer 8, Safari, or Chrome to manage your AdWords campaigns. Learn more. |
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| 23:12.34 | Suguiura | Hey guys, thanks to jordanm, I found out about the archive areas. =) But now I need some help with releases definition. Any hints I can find out more about it? |
| 23:12.38 | s5s | I've found a bug in stable. I want to raise it. However I can't send the bug because of email server any help? |
| 23:13.45 | qwd | s5s: you'll have an easier time if you actually explain what the problem is instead of asking how to do something which you think is the solution. |
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| 23:15.45 | jordanm | Suguiura: http://release.debian.org/ |
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| 23:18.09 | Suguiura | jordanm: I've already checked the link, but I couldn't find a definition there.. a doubt I have is the relationship between releases and archive areas. And with mirrors. |
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| 23:19.44 | jordanm | Suguiura: what doubt? |
| 23:19.59 | jordanm | Suguiura: when releases are unsupported they get archived |
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| 23:21.34 | Suguiura | jordanm: If I pick the latest release, would it have a snapshot of all packages in all archive areas? |
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| 23:22.28 | thewanderer1 | how do I pull OpenSSH authorized keys from LDAP or MySQL on Debian? I want to centralize key management. |
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| 23:26.29 | debiane | hello... somebody knows how to charge Drivers firmwares in Debian Lenny installation ? |
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| 23:26.44 | jordanm | Suguiura: I don't really understand what you mean by that, but no |
| 23:26.56 | jordanm | Suguiura: you would have a list of packages for your release |
| 23:26.57 | dondelelcaro | debiane: just install the new firmware package; but you normally shouldn't have to |
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| 23:27.32 | debiane | dondelelcaro my Network card isn't not installed... and Debian install ask me to Installa modules drivers from USB stick or floppy |
| 23:27.42 | debiane | is an Acer aspire One d250 |
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| 23:29.42 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: Debian just dumps them out of ldap to a tarball, and then rsyncs them as appropriate, then uses AuthorizedKeys to reference them |
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| 23:30.36 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: are you stating I have to do this manually? |
| 23:31.17 | Suguiura | jordanm: So an archive area, main for example, can have some packages a release doesn't? And does a release have packages from any archive area? |
| 23:32.02 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: no, there's code out there to do that |
| 23:32.18 | jordanm | Suguiura: I still don't quite understand you question. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 23:32.27 | thewanderer1 | in the repo, or do I have to look for that? |
| 23:32.28 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: there's also an ldap public key patch to ssh |
| 23:32.37 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it's in DSA's private repo, iirc. |
| 23:32.49 | thewanderer1 | the latter option sounds better |
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| 23:35.48 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: see http://db.debian.org/debian-admin/pool/lenny/userdir-ldap_0.3.77.dsc for the other bits |
| 23:36.40 | debiane | somebody help me to install Lenny on Acer Aspire One d250 :[ |
| 23:37.17 | elik | SauLus, the partition type switch seemed to work. I didn't do extensive testing, but upon reboot, I could still mount up to the logical volume and see my files... |
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| 23:41.10 | Infin1ty | Is it possible to install grub (and /boot dir) in a raid array? |
| 23:41.24 | Infin1ty | /dev/md0 is /boot and /dev/md1 is my rootfs i'm having problem finishing the installation |
| 23:41.59 | EmleyMoor | Infin1ty: /boot can be in RAID1 |
| 23:42.37 | EmleyMoor | GRUB must be installed to the /dev/sd* devices, but can be installed to more than one |
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| 23:43.02 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: when in doubt, install to both devices |
| 23:43.07 | Infin1ty | EmleyMoor, i have a raid5 array and i have /boot in a raid-5 array :\ |
| 23:43.16 | Infin1ty | problem is, the setup fails to install |
| 23:43.23 | Infin1ty | so i guess i'l go into rescue mode and investigate |
| 23:43.33 | Raptors | hey guys, how do you turn on the option to not ask for password when creating a new user? |
| 23:43.37 | EmleyMoor | Hardware or software RAID? |
| 23:43.39 | Raptors | its grayed out |
| 23:43.44 | Infin1ty | software using mdadm |
| 23:44.01 | EmleyMoor | You can't have /boot working in RAID5 using that |
| 23:44.28 | Infin1ty | hmm i see |
| 23:44.51 | Infin1ty | ok, thank you |
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| 23:45.36 | jhutchins_lt | It's definitely suspending now, I can hear the HD spin up when I open the lid. |
| 23:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | Takes a minute to reconnect the wifi, but I think I may keep it this way. |
| 23:47.03 | Raptors | How do you turn on the option to not ask for password when creating a new user? |
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| 23:48.39 | jordanm | Raptors: if it is not in "man adduser", then use useradd instead |
| 23:48.49 | joey_ | what is cool windows manager? |
| 23:48.57 | joey_ | I remember there was window make |
| 23:49.01 | joey_ | is it still around? |
| 23:50.24 | trifler | joey_: You want a tiling one imo :) |
| 23:50.24 | jordanm | !tell joey_ about windowmaker |
| 23:50.43 | joey_ | jordanm: it's wmaker |
| 23:50.48 | joey_ | that's what it is |
| 23:50.56 | joey_ | trifler: what tiling? |
| 23:51.20 | joey_ | stew thanks for you hint earlier |
| 23:51.34 | jordanm | joey_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager |
| 23:51.35 | joey_ | I've completely autmated installation process |
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| 23:52.12 | joey_ | it is installed and I am sitting in front of console now - those old days when I used console every day are back |
| 23:52.16 | joey_ | :) |
| 23:52.38 | joey_ | jordanm: too bood i can't click on the url link at the moment |
| 23:52.46 | joey_ | you tell me if it is good or not |
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| 23:53.39 | jordanm | joey_: I don't like them. they don't have a concept of overlapping windows |
| 23:54.01 | joey_ | oh! |
| 23:54.17 | joey_ | Does anyone remember ratpoison windows manager? |
| 23:54.30 | joey_ | basically, it is a tiny weeny little thingy |
| 23:54.33 | jordanm | wasn't around for the old days |
| 23:54.34 | joey_ | modelled after screen |
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| 23:55.22 | joey_ | I remember when you used bitchx |
| 23:55.31 | joey_ | or even shell scripts for telnet to chat on irc |
| 23:55.42 | joey_ | yep, we had those |
| 23:55.43 | stew | i used ratpoison for a few years |
| 23:56.08 | stew | especially on my tv, where you don't want window decorations |
| 23:56.13 | joey_ | I used it for a year or two |
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| 23:57.53 | joey_ | I think it was popular at the same time we used potato |
| 23:57.57 | joey_ | anyway |
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| 23:58.28 | stew | at some point a lot of people that were using ratpoison switched to ion, then when ion3 became non-free they all switched to awesome |
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| 23:59.02 | dondelelcaro | stew: s/ became non-free/'s developer went insane/ |
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| 23:59.18 | joey_ | ion rings the bell too |
| 23:59.31 | stew | that too |
| 23:59.47 | tuv | when trying to copy a dvd on a minimal install, brasero says: "Please replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD". on a full fledged gnome install, it goes through with complaints. am i missing a package? all depends and suggests of brasero are installed |