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| 00:00.07 | jordanm | tuv: recommends? |
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| 00:00.25 | tuv | jordanm: none listed |
| 00:00.49 | tuv | *without complaints |
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| 00:03.37 | cemunal | what is the name of favorite free flash plug-in |
| 00:04.24 | tuv | hmm.. brasero-cdrkit was the missing package. weird it's not recommended nor suggested by brasero |
| 00:04.41 | debiane | iceweasel? ;p |
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| 00:07.36 | stew | cemunal: gnash |
| 00:07.41 | cemunal | tx |
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| 00:09.10 | cemunal | stew, i am on testing version |
| 00:09.27 | cemunal | apt-cache search says |
| 00:09.36 | cemunal | there is no package |
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| 00:09.47 | cemunal | my db is up to date |
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| 00:12.02 | stew | !why is gnash not in testing |
| 00:12.02 | dpkg | gnash is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnash |
| 00:12.15 | debiane | somebody help me to install Lenny on Acer Aspire One d250 :[ |
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| 00:14.29 | debiane | my network card isn't detected ;s |
| 00:17.30 | xyan | !tell debiane about kmuto |
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| 00:21.29 | Metatron | if i create a folder named Startup in Home, will executable scripts in that folder be launched when they logon, and is the capitlizaion of the folder name important? |
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| 00:21.49 | debiane | xyan :o |
| 00:22.08 | xyan | Derevko: you might have more luck trying a recent kernel |
| 00:22.19 | dondelelcaro | Raptors: using --disabled-passwd or similar. man adduser; for details |
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| 00:22.42 | dondelelcaro | hrm; answering a very old question... |
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| 00:23.06 | Raptors | dondelelcaro, I know about that I just want to know if there is a way to turn it on in the GUI ap |
| 00:23.15 | Raptors | there is an open there, but its grayed out :\ |
| 00:24.08 | jordanm | Raptors: the gui is called user-admin, not adduser |
| 00:24.50 | dondelelcaro | is exactly the wrong person to ask about GUI programs |
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| 00:26.46 | Raptors | jordanm, I know, I'm saying there is an option in the user add under administration but its grayed out. |
| 00:26.47 | jordanm | likely all the usuals here are the wrong people to ask about gui administration programs.. |
| 00:27.07 | elik | Metatron, do you use KDE or Gnome? |
| 00:27.16 | Raptors | :\ |
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| 00:27.26 | elik | Metatron, or another window manager |
| 00:27.31 | jordanm | Raptors: well, you better off than me, because I just tried to run it for the first time and it doesn't even do that |
| 00:27.41 | Metatron | icewm |
| 00:27.50 | elik | Metatron, generally speaking, that's not how programs are started on linux |
| 00:27.58 | elik | Metatron, what program are you trying to start like that? |
| 00:28.04 | Metatron | eggdrop |
| 00:28.25 | Metatron | maybe X.session.d? |
| 00:28.39 | s5s | when I log on to squeeze as normal user and type startx it hangs - I can't see anything. I once ran startx as root. I don't suspect that to be the problem but I really don't know what's going on |
| 00:28.49 | Metatron | ive had a few distro's where the Startup folder woked wasnt sure about this one\, guess i could test it |
| 00:29.33 | elik | Metatron, yeah, it doesn't cost much |
| 00:29.35 | elik | Metatron, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IceWM |
| 00:29.36 | jordanm | s5s: try with another user, sounds like it could be an issue with your user's configurations |
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| 00:30.05 | elik | Metatron, if you look at the config section, it describes what you are trying to do |
| 00:30.16 | s5s | jordanm: it's a brand new installation. I haven't changed any user configuration |
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| 00:30.19 | elik | Metatron, also, yes, capitalization is important under linux |
| 00:30.35 | jordanm | s5s: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log after the failed start |
| 00:31.16 | s5s | jordanm: in a minute (have to reboot). Another issue is that xorg.conf is not there but man xorg.conf is available |
| 00:31.49 | jordanm | s5s: xorg.conf is not required unless you are using proprietary drivers |
| 00:31.58 | jordanm | s5s: what version of debian? |
| 00:32.02 | s5s | squeeze |
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| 00:33.33 | s5s | jordanm: I am using radeon driver. I think it's provided from the repository by default. |
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| 00:38.15 | KB1JWQ | hesco: Get it together please. |
| 00:38.47 | Metatron | eh cant seem to find about that folder in debian based, in one distro it took either capitilzation, (didnt wanna boot twice) guess ill test it |
| 00:38.55 | NiLon | oh squeeze is frozen and now I notice :P |
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| 01:13.49 | Crusnik01 | Hi! Anyone know where the nagios3 package puts it's 'addons' folder? Or where one can configure the path to it? =) |
| 01:13.58 | Crusnik01 | its* |
| 01:17.45 | ScottG | Crusnik01: Hm, apt-file search |
| 01:19.09 | Crusnik01 | ScottG: Would that work even if I used aptitude? |
| 01:20.29 | ScottG | I use aptitude :) |
| 01:20.32 | ScottG | Everyone should |
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| 01:21.53 | Crusnik01 | ScottG: Cool =) I kind'a imagine in my head that you either have to use the apt-* thingies, or aptitude. Thought they kept seperate databases (not that I'm all that familiar with the packaging system.. I just know how to use it xD) |
| 01:21.55 | ScottG | Crusnik01: So something like, apt-file search addons | grep ^nagios3 |
| 01:22.14 | ScottG | or apt-file search ^nagios3.*addons |
| 01:22.26 | ScottG | Not sure if it does regex. I'd think it would, thoug |
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| 01:23.03 | ScottG | Crusnik01: Yea I am pretty sure apt-get and aptitude keep separate databases but I have never ran into a single problem using aptitude |
| 01:24.22 | Crusnik01 | ScottG: Hmm.. using the first command, I only got this in return: |
| 01:24.23 | Crusnik01 | nagios3-doc: /usr/share/nagios3/htdocs/docs/addons.html |
| 01:24.45 | Crusnik01 | Second one didn't return much |
| 01:25.25 | ScottG | Actually, I think that may not show files in ~ where most configs are because they are optional files. Did you check the man page for nagios3? |
| 01:26.20 | jordanm | ScottG: apt-file does do regex, but doesn't work as expected when using ^ and $ |
| 01:26.46 | ScottG | jordanm: Wish there was more of a standard with regex across programs :/ |
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| 01:27.20 | Crusnik01 | ScottG: Yeah, you can only point it to the config file, and I can't find anything about the addons folder in there. The Nagios3 documentation only refers to "manual" installation (/usr/local/...), and doesn't mention much about the package. |
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| 01:28.37 | jordanm | Crusnik01: replace /usr/local/ with /usr/ |
| 01:29.29 | ScottG | I don't use regex much for this reason. I mean right now I am having trouble using grep to find files that start with a '.' |
| 01:29.31 | Crusnik01 | jordanm: Hmm.. Perhaps I need to create the addons folder myself then (seems a bit strange though..) I'll give it a go =) |
| 01:29.50 | ScottG | Keeps interpreting the . as a single character, even if I escape it with \ |
| 01:30.00 | jordanm | Crusnik01: if you have to create your own system wide dir, it should be /usr/local |
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| 01:30.47 | jordanm | ScottG: apt-file -x |
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| 01:30.49 | Crusnik01 | jordanm: That didn't quite work. That path is supposed to be: '/usr/local/nagios/addons/' (ref. nagios doc) , but here are the nagios folders created by the package: |
| 01:31.02 | Crusnik01 | nagios: /usr/lib/nagios /usr/share/nagios |
| 01:31.11 | Crusnik01 | nagios3: /usr/sbin/nagios3 /etc/nagios3 /usr/lib/nagios3 /usr/share/nagios3 /usr/share/man/man8/nagios3.8.gz |
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| 01:31.48 | ScottG | Crusnik01: Only other idea for you is to do an ls -R ~ and grep for nagios3 |
| 01:31.59 | ScottG | Though that could take a long time |
| 01:32.10 | ScottG | I'd google a bit first |
| 01:32.41 | jordanm | Crusnik01: are you looking at the nagios3-doc package? |
| 01:32.44 | Crusnik01 | ScottG: Yeah, tried that, one would think this should be a common issue, but google didn't turn up much on my keywords atleast.. I'll keep looking though. |
| 01:32.48 | ScottG | Oh wait you're looking for an addons folder. Thought you were looking for configuration for some reason. In that case it probably wouldn't be in ~ |
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| 01:33.52 | Crusnik01 | jordanm: Are you refering to the output I pasted above? |
| 01:34.07 | Crusnik01 | jordanm: or are you asking what package I installed? |
| 01:34.12 | jordanm | Crusnik01: no, you had just refered to the documentation |
| 01:34.44 | jordanm | the -doc package may be modified for debian |
| 01:34.50 | Crusnik01 | http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/3_0/quickstart.html |
| 01:34.58 | Crusnik01 | Then I just followed the ubuntu quickstart |
| 01:35.07 | Crusnik01 | or, not followed, but looked at |
| 01:35.37 | Crusnik01 | then I decided I wanted it in a package instead, and installed one from this source: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/nagios3 |
| 01:36.47 | jordanm | Crusnik01: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/nagios3-doc |
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| 01:57.54 | ZNC-Titan | Hello |
| 01:58.10 | ZNC-Titan | How do i get ssh server? |
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| 01:58.55 | Knorrie | aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 01:59.40 | ZNC-Titan | Says its broken. |
| 02:00.03 | ZNC-Titan | Well broken packages. |
| 02:00.58 | Dewi | ZNC-Titan: how did it break? |
| 02:01.06 | ZNC-Titan | :| |
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| 02:01.19 | ZNC-Titan | It literly says Broken packages |
| 02:02.04 | Knorrie | can you paste the entire output to for example, paste-it.net ? |
| 02:02.04 | Dewi | ZNC-Titan: you're not being very specific |
| 02:02.56 | ZNC-Titan | Libgssapi not going to be installef |
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| 02:03.22 | ZNC-Titan | Libkrb5-3 not going to be installed |
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| 02:03.59 | ZNC-Titan | Openssh client installing earlier version |
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| 02:04.08 | Dewi | ZNC-Titan: don't install an earlier version |
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| 02:04.09 | ZNC-Titan | Thats what it says^ |
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| 02:04.21 | ZNC-Titan | I cant choose |
| 02:04.26 | ZNC-Titan | :| |
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| 02:04.31 | imaginaryman | I compiled my own ffmpeg |
| 02:04.44 | imaginaryman | now I want to use a debian package from repositories |
| 02:04.45 | ZNC-Titan | I ran apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 02:05.16 | imaginaryman | that needs ffmpeg and it wants to install ffmpeg because dpkg dosnt know about my compiled version |
| 02:05.53 | imaginaryman | how do I tell dpkg that I have ffmpeg dependencies met? |
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| 02:08.44 | ZNC-Titan | Well il be back tomorrow. ;) |
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| 02:10.49 | Dewi | imaginaryman: use an ffmpeg package |
| 02:10.49 | Dewi | imaginaryman: you can build your own |
| 02:11.53 | Dewi | ZNC-Titan: you haven't told us anything about your configuration, or put the full output in a pastebin |
| 02:12.10 | Dewi | ZNC-Titan: it sounds like you're attempting to downgrade. That isn't supported. |
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| 02:17.50 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. I have trouble with performance with gnome when I open directories with many files, have a form to solve this? |
| 02:18.36 | EduardeCalibal | Many is some like 5k a 10k files. |
| 02:18.49 | KB1JWQ | EduardeCalibal: That's your machine being IO constrained. |
| 02:18.57 | KB1JWQ | Invest in a faster disk? :-) |
| 02:19.30 | EduardeCalibal | I need a better software sollution, I think I kill any type of hardware... |
| 02:20.25 | EduardeCalibal | I have 2GB of RAM and 4GB of swap and never have enough memory... Have a Athlon X2 4000+ and 250GB SATA2 disk... |
| 02:20.43 | EduardeCalibal | I need know how make better configurations... |
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| 02:22.29 | EduardeCalibal | Is a configuration problem... When I use terminal I dont have delay to see the file list, maybe gnome try identify any file, then all go to another dimension... Of pain. |
| 02:22.48 | froek | EduardeCalibal: it could just be the implementation of the file manager |
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| 02:23.09 | EduardeCalibal | Ok... Have a option to solve this? |
| 02:23.16 | gnarface | EduardeCalibal: gnome isn't known for being incredibly fast - and any time you are working with a GUI your video card *can* be a limiting factor too, however your solution is probably either to be more patient or consider going to mirrored drives for faster read speed and pick a file system that does well with whatever ridiculously contrived usage scenario you have that requires you to drag+drop open 10k of files at a time |
| 02:23.32 | froek | EduardeCalibal: if it's implementation based, try a different piece of software for GUI file manager :/ |
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| 02:23.40 | EduardeCalibal | Geforce 7200GS with NVIDIA drivers... |
| 02:23.56 | EduardeCalibal | This dont happen in the older version... |
| 02:24.04 | EduardeCalibal | But I only see the problem a some time. |
| 02:24.05 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
| 02:24.07 | gnarface | EduardeCalibal: does it go that slow when you do the same thing from a terminal? |
| 02:24.09 | froek | I would talk to the developers of the file manager |
| 02:24.18 | EduardeCalibal | No. All ok in terminal. |
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| 02:24.37 | gnarface | EduardeCalibal: then you have your diagnosis. gnome is slow. i've known this since 1998 |
| 02:24.38 | EduardeCalibal | Nautilus is close to halt when I try see some. |
| 02:24.51 | EduardeCalibal | Gnome is ok, only Nautilus is slow. |
| 02:24.55 | EduardeCalibal | In my case. |
| 02:24.55 | froek | I don't use Nautilus since it's slow as molasses |
| 02:25.18 | froek | Remember, nautilus is doing far more things than a terminal does when you type 'ls' |
| 02:25.21 | EduardeCalibal | I think the limit is not more than 5000 files. |
| 02:25.34 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, but I need only the list. |
| 02:25.44 | froek | try turning off things like thumbnail cache generation etc. |
| 02:25.45 | EduardeCalibal | If have a option to disable all other things I like. |
| 02:25.47 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 02:25.54 | EduardeCalibal | Let me see... |
| 02:26.04 | froek | i'm not familiar with options since I never use it. |
| 02:26.17 | froek | I would start with turning all 'magical' options off :) |
| 02:26.55 | gnarface | just started by getting used to using a terminal instead |
| 02:26.57 | EduardeCalibal | 1800 files, same problem... |
| 02:27.09 | froek | real men wear black - and use terminal gnarface :P |
| 02:27.19 | froek | (or women) |
| 02:27.33 | gnarface | haha |
| 02:27.37 | gnarface | also wears black |
| 02:27.46 | EduardeCalibal | I try some more aggressive with more time... Cya guys. |
| 02:27.49 | froek | is wearing black right now |
| 02:28.17 | gnarface | sad thing is, Nautilus does need to care about performance |
| 02:28.20 | KB1JWQ | His file manager stats each file. :-) |
| 02:28.29 | gnarface | but if he actually tells them that they're gonna tell him to piss up a tree |
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| 02:29.27 | gnarface | now i'm curious if explorer is any faster |
| 02:29.30 | froek | gnarface: i hope not, but i wouldn't be surprised. |
| 02:29.48 | froek | explorer handles it a lot better |
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| 02:30.06 | gnarface | compiling stat caches in the background for everything ahead of time? |
| 02:30.18 | froek | it doesn't do all files at once |
| 02:30.24 | gnarface | H |
| 02:30.25 | gnarface | AH |
| 02:30.29 | froek | it has a sliding window and does it on demand with a nice'd operation |
| 02:30.37 | gnarface | just the ones in view on the scroll |
| 02:30.42 | gnarface | that's smarter |
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| 02:30.47 | froek | in view+a little more/less |
| 02:30.50 | dsfwea23 | I've done some reading but a bit confused on CDs. I'd like to test out debian on a VM. Is there a single CD I can install from without doing a net install? I see several CD sets, but just looking for one CD if possible. low bandwidth caps :( |
| 02:31.13 | gnarface | dsfwea23: most the time you just need CD1 |
| 02:31.46 | dsfwea23 | gnarface, so debian-live-504-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso ? |
| 02:32.04 | gnarface | uh... probably? honestly i haven't messed with debian live yet |
| 02:32.07 | froek | you could try live |
| 02:32.12 | froek | http://live.debian.net/ |
| 02:32.21 | froek | oops, just noticed you already pasted. |
| 02:32.24 | dsfwea23 | can I install from Live? |
| 02:32.42 | froek | I know the ubuntu CD you get both live or installation out of 1 cd |
| 02:33.03 | gnarface | i think i've heard people answer that question both yes and no in the last week |
| 02:33.11 | gnarface | i don't know what the latest info is |
| 02:33.12 | dsfwea23 | right, I'm looking to move from ubuntu, too unstable for me. Though I've used gentoo in the past |
| 02:33.17 | Justin | the new debian-live stuff supports installing I think |
| 02:33.25 | froek | dsfwea23: unstable? really? |
| 02:33.46 | dsfwea23 | froek, sarcasm? |
| 02:33.52 | froek | dsfwea23: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=40203 |
| 02:33.56 | gnarface | lol ubuntu and gentoo |
| 02:33.59 | froek | dsfwea23: :) |
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| 02:34.19 | seeker7 | what is a good channel for php questions |
| 02:34.21 | gnarface | i have to admit, i fucking love gentoo... but it's hella ghetto on quality control |
| 02:34.21 | froek | gentoo <barf> |
| 02:34.37 | froek | the colour alone scares me gnarface |
| 02:34.49 | froek | seeker7: there's gotta be a #php chan here |
| 02:34.55 | gnarface | i'd pick it FIRST as a crash-course teach-linux-to-anyone distro, but i'd pick it LAST for ... everything else |
| 02:35.03 | froek | ewe |
| 02:35.14 | froek | i'd say ubuntu is better for teach |
| 02:35.33 | gnarface | maybe... cause it's like windows and it's close to debian |
| 02:35.36 | seeker7 | froek: i have a question there but noone is answering |
| 02:35.45 | gnarface | ubuntu is certainly a great distro to use to teach people debian |
| 02:35.47 | froek | seeker7: whats your question, i might be able to answer |
| 02:36.10 | froek | seeker7: pm me if you like |
| 02:36.14 | gnarface | but the thing about gentoo (at least the way it used to be- i haven't tried it in years) is that it shows you where all the major files are that are common system components to most linux distros |
| 02:36.26 | dsfwea23 | Basically what I'd like is to download a CD, play with it in a VM and then be able to install from it without having to redownload stuff because of my low bandwidth cap. |
| 02:36.29 | gnarface | and the install process is a 12-hour readme that makes you create each by hand |
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| 02:36.36 | seeker7 | froek: how do I pm? |
| 02:36.38 | gnarface | it's good training |
| 02:36.55 | froek | seeker7: instead of typing normally, type "/msg froek how do I do blah in php" |
| 02:37.23 | dsfwea23 | I learned a lot from gentoo, but I agree, quality control is horrible there. |
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| 02:37.36 | froek | the most learning I did was with slackware |
| 02:37.53 | gnarface | froek: gentoo is just slackware with less typing and no morals |
| 02:37.54 | dsfwea23 | I'm just to the point where I want to use my computer when I turn it on and not have to spend hours fixing it because someone did a bad update. |
| 02:38.03 | froek | gnarface: lol |
| 02:38.12 | imaginaryman | froelk: I have used Debian what did you learn from it that Debian did not offer? |
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| 02:38.26 | imaginaryman | froelk: just used Debian* |
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| 02:39.03 | gnarface | imaginaryman: it's like someone provided you the scripts to automate linux-from-scratch, but still made you create all the /etc files manually |
| 02:39.14 | froek | imaginaryman: it wasn't that debian didnt offer me more, I tried slackware before I got onto debian |
| 02:39.22 | gnarface | it's just good training because you have to touch all the internal components to get it booting |
| 02:39.31 | froek | imaginaryman: after slackware i tried debian and loved it |
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| 02:39.37 | dsfwea23 | so CD1 give me a install with desktop, openoffice, gimp and inkscape? |
| 02:39.45 | imaginaryman | just from a learning position I did not want to infer any which way was better |
| 02:39.46 | rsyring | I would like to keep track of changes to a system, is there a single file that I could put in version control that would tell me what packages have been installed or uninstalled? |
| 02:39.55 | imaginaryman | got ys |
| 02:39.57 | imaginaryman | ya |
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| 02:41.33 | gnarface | i went: slackware->redhat->gentoo->debian |
| 02:41.35 | dsfwea23 | rsyring, haven't used debian yet, but on ubuntu you could use /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 02:42.08 | gnarface | inbetween i tried ubuntu and it failed me too much to stick with |
| 02:42.14 | imaginaryman | rsyring: I know there are better ways but I use my root folder to place things I am building into the aptly named folders |
| 02:42.17 | dsfwea23 | very similar to me, slackware->redhat->mandake (at the time)->gentoo->ubuntu-> debian? |
| 02:42.39 | gnarface | before gentoo i tried debian once and couldn't figure out the installer, but they improved it a few years later so that's largely why i was able to come back |
| 02:42.39 | imaginaryman | rsyring: then when I do make install I pipe it to a file to know where I winged everything |
| 02:43.00 | froek | i went redass->zipslack->slackware->suse->storm linux->debian->ubuntu (where debian/ubuntu depend on what box i'm on) |
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| 02:43.12 | imaginaryman | its simplistic but it helps |
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| 02:43.53 | rsyring | imaginaryman & dsfwea23: thanks...I would prefer to have a method that doesn't rely so much on the user and also not rely on a log file. The problem with the log file is that the contents get changed when the logs rotate and it creates static in the revision control. |
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| 02:44.13 | rsyring | I am doing some research and /var/lib/dpkg/status might work |
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| 02:44.53 | Suguiura | jordanm: I could find a lot of information I was looking for from the links you gave me. Thanks a lot! =) |
| 02:44.55 | _joey | how do I install true type fonts |
| 02:44.56 | _joey | :) |
| 02:44.57 | imaginaryman | rsyring: you could also bundle the binaries into packages |
| 02:45.09 | dsfwea23 | rsyring, well then do a dpkg -l > tmpfile and then check that in. |
| 02:46.29 | rsyring | dsfwea23: thats a good idea, thanks |
| 02:46.32 | dsfwea23 | anyone happen to know if there is a New Zealand mirror with CDs? :) |
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| 02:47.10 | dsfwea23 | rsyring, glad I could help |
| 02:49.09 | cockroach | hey, small question (i know this isn't exactly debian-related, especially since the message says that it's a hardware problem, but still, i'll try): i'm getting this: http://pastebin.ca/1916149 from mcelog - does anyone have an idea how to identify the faulty dimm? |
| 02:50.03 | karlpinc | cockroach: Run memtest86+, pulling one at a time until the problem goes away. |
| 02:50.05 | gnarface | memtest |
| 02:50.06 | dsfwea23 | cockroach, memtest |
| 02:50.20 | rsyring | cockroach: hah...same advice here, but I wasn't fast enough |
| 02:50.41 | cockroach | err, it's a production system, downtime is sort of a bad idea... |
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| 02:50.59 | dsfwea23 | cockroach, then replace all the memory and test it on another system. |
| 02:51.08 | cockroach | but i guess better than replacing them all :) - thanks |
| 02:51.22 | cockroach | heh, fast than me :) |
| 02:51.28 | cockroach | fastER even |
| 02:51.31 | thepro4ever | i'm using vi to search for a string in a file, i type /search-string to find the string i want, is there an easy way to repeat that command so i don't have to type the search-string every time? |
| 02:51.43 | dsfwea23 | cockroach, just a note, ECC errors do happen, but if it happens a lot then it's bad ram. |
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| 02:51.56 | dsfwea23 | thepro4ever, n |
| 02:52.08 | thepro4ever | dsfwea23: would p be previous? |
| 02:52.09 | ScottG | How do I start a single program in it's own X session? |
| 02:52.21 | cockroach | dsfwea23: in this case they happen a lot (about 20 since the last reboot which was yesterday or so, after a hard lockup). also, they're accompanied by segfaults... |
| 02:52.43 | karlpinc | ScottG: From gdm(ish) or startx? |
| 02:52.43 | dsfwea23 | thepro4ever, N |
| 02:52.47 | pickcoder | cockroach: are they fb-dimms? |
| 02:52.58 | cockroach | pickcoder: fb? |
| 02:53.03 | pickcoder | fully buffered |
| 02:53.05 | dsfwea23 | cockroach, yeah, time to replace them |
| 02:53.05 | thepro4ever | dsfwea23: previous is to button clicks omg |
| 02:53.33 | cockroach | pickcoder: dunno. let me check that dmidecode says. |
| 02:54.04 | ScottG | karlpinc: Just from a tty. I have :0 in tty 7, I'd like to open up X running a single application in tty8 |
| 02:54.15 | karlpinc | cockroach: memtest86+ can take some time to detect bad ram. Depending on the failure the chips have to come up to temperature. |
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| 02:54.18 | pickcoder | if not, you can pick up a dimm tester and be sure the ones you buy are good before you trust them |
| 02:54.48 | pickcoder | testing through an unknown motherboard is about as bad as testing your tire pressure with a balloon with marks on it |
| 02:55.10 | cockroach | karlpinc: good point, thanks |
| 02:55.36 | cockroach | pickcoder: still no idea, but there's cool stuff like "Manufacturer: Manufacturer0" in there :) |
| 02:55.50 | krt | I dont fully trust memtest until at least 24 hours have passed |
| 02:55.53 | pickcoder | it will either say type is DIMM or FB-DIMM |
| 02:56.02 | krt | but a cursory single pass if the box has been on for a while is usually sufficient |
| 02:56.08 | cockroach | pickcoder: Form Factor: DIMM |
| 02:56.10 | pickcoder | FB-DIMM's are only common and certain server boards |
| 02:56.17 | dsfwea23 | is there an "unoffical" list of mirrors by chance? I'm looking for one in New Zealand if possible. (not on the official list) |
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| 02:57.02 | pickcoder | save yourself some headache if it's a critical 24/7 server and buy a dimm tester or see if one of the shops near you has one |
| 02:57.10 | pickcoder | I've gotten DOA server memory from Crucial |
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| 02:57.46 | dsfwea23 | IMHO you should never use non-ECC memory in servers anyway. :) |
| 02:57.47 | karlpinc | ScottG: I have fussed with various elements of this over time.... I'd look at putting something in /etc/inittab that looks like : 8:23:respawn:/usr/bin/X :0 vt8 But I think you want startx, and just give it the client you want to run. You may find that running Xsession instead and having it run the client works better. YMMV. |
| 02:58.10 | karlpinc | ScottG: That'd be startx instead of X, which would run your gdm/etc. |
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| 02:59.39 | pickcoder | s/common and certain/common on certain |
| 03:00.12 | dsfwea23 | how stable would you say squeeze is at this point? |
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| 03:01.28 | karlpinc | ScottG: Humm. Looking at it you probably want startx to start your client _and_ X (man Xorg), the server. Good luck. I always poke it with a stick and it eventually works for me. |
| 03:01.53 | karlpinc | ScottG: I always use xeyes as the client for testing. |
| 03:02.16 | beardy | Something I miss is a shared clipboard between gpm and X, is there something for that? |
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| 03:03.43 | JohninLex | wow that was a lot of people |
| 03:04.58 | JohninLex | ok let me get to the point, I would like to get a little help please. I am having a little trouble getting apt to update from a base install, how can I update apt from command line only please |
| 03:05.24 | dsfwea23 | JohninLex, apt-get update |
| 03:05.46 | karlpinc | beardy: Uh. Run emacs in shell mode under screen. Detach and reattach to go in and out of X. ;-) |
| 03:06.34 | karlpinc | JohninLex: You probably want: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 03:06.36 | JohninLex | dsfwea23: I have ran apt-get update, but it fails to let me install pkgs |
| 03:06.36 | beardy | karlpinc: I already do that, but what has emacs got to do with that? |
| 03:06.52 | JohninLex | tI will try it now karlpinc |
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| 03:07.15 | Dewi | beardy: he means using it as a text buffer |
| 03:07.16 | dsfwea23 | JohninLex, so apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:07.36 | Dewi | beardy: I think the question is, why are you using the console when you have X? |
| 03:07.36 | karlpinc | beardy: emacs would keep all the output so it could be re-cut and pasted. (I don't think screen does that, right?) |
| 03:07.56 | Dewi | karlpinc: screen has a buffer actually, yes. ctrl-a, ] |
| 03:08.08 | Dewi | karlpinc: er that's paste, cut mode is ctrl-a, esc |
| 03:08.09 | beardy | karlpinc: Of course it does. |
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| 03:08.25 | JohninLex | this will not install a DE will it |
| 03:08.43 | karlpinc | JohninLex: What's a DE? |
| 03:08.51 | dsfwea23 | Desktop Environment |
| 03:09.02 | beardy | But I wasn't talking of $EDITOR's buffers, but the "mouse marking" buffers. |
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| 03:09.07 | JohninLex | thanks dsfwea23 |
| 03:09.23 | karlpinc | JohninLex: Only if you've previously selected, but not installed, a DE. |
| 03:09.37 | beardy | Dewi: Because I want to, and can. |
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| 03:10.13 | karlpinc | Dewi: There's all sorts of good reasons to skip X and go directly to a console, the formost being when fussing with X. |
| 03:10.20 | JohninLex | yea I am working with the base only right now on an old 233mhz and I plan on installing blackbox or JWM something really light |
| 03:10.35 | Dewi | karlpinc: I agree, but beardy wants additional useability for using both at the same time, and I don't see the point |
| 03:11.16 | Dewi | if the console had some invisible communications channel with X servers, it wouldn't be the console anymore |
| 03:11.21 | karlpinc | JohninLex: I've found lxde to work well. What counts more than anything is how much ram you can throw at it. |
| 03:11.47 | JohninLex | karlpinc: it has 65mb of ram so I can not use to much lol |
| 03:12.11 | dsfwea23 | So is squeeze the same as "testing" ? IE http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso is squeeze? |
| 03:12.29 | Dewi | dsfwea23: it is until squeeze gets released, then it will be stable |
| 03:13.09 | dsfwea23 | Dewi, just checking, I see that it's frozen so only bug fixes. If you were going to install a new system would you call it stable enough to install now? |
| 03:13.11 | karlpinc | JohninLex: You're torturing yourself. I've done it in 48M of ram, but it's really not worth the time. Better to spend 10's of $s on a beefer box. |
| 03:13.28 | beardy | Oh no, we can't have additional functionality. |
| 03:13.48 | Dewi | beardy: you're the one refusing the additional functionality by not using a windowing system |
| 03:14.16 | beardy | Dewi: Stop annoying me. |
| 03:14.20 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 03:14.42 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: Many find testing, under any conditions, to be more stable than non-debian distros. I prefer stable myself because I want it to just work. See also backports.org, volatile.debian.org. |
| 03:14.58 | JohninLex | oh karlpinc that is not my main box, it is a little project that has been kicking my butt for over a year now and Debian is the only thing I have found that would install and let me install on top of it |
| 03:15.11 | JohninLex | for me to st it up the way I would like for it to bw set up |
| 03:15.14 | karlpinc | JohninLex: Knock yourself out. |
| 03:15.16 | Dewi | dsfwea23: it'll be more stable than it was, but still not the same as stable. shrug. I use stable myself. |
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| 03:15.30 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, well bandwidth is a major issue for me (New Zealand) and if it's stable enough now (coming from ubuntu and found it very unstable) then I'd like to only have to download it once. :) |
| 03:16.01 | dsfwea23 | seems it might become stable soon is why I'm asking. |
| 03:16.03 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: You probabaly want stable then. Otherwise you'll be continually downloading changes. |
| 03:16.06 | JohninLex | karlpinc: I do run a differnt distro on my main box but it is linux and not that fake debain of Ubuntu either |
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| 03:17.00 | dsfwea23 | if I did install testing, when it goes stable would I need to do anything? |
| 03:17.10 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: "Soon" for some value of soon. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and extrapolate when "testing" bugs will get down to 0-ish. |
| 03:17.44 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: You may also be interested in the apt-cacher package or others similar. |
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| 03:18.22 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: You will continually want to upgrade whatever you install to keep secure. Testing will change a lot more than stable and so will use a lot more bandwidth. |
| 03:18.38 | marshallmc | my ispconfig has a warning that says squirrelmail needs to be updated, can i do this through the http interface or should i ssh in and update it? |
| 03:19.39 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, understand stand that part, guess what I was asking is would it just "become stable" during some future update without needing a reinstall? |
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| 03:20.00 | karlpinc | marshallmc: If you're running debian you should regularly ssh in and run "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade". That will keep you current and secure, so long as you're relying on debian's packaging. Otherwise it's your job to do the systems integration. |
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| 03:20.58 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, I do run a nice (non-rfc compliant in that it over-caches) squid proxy to that works well for my other systems. (ubuntu) and they tend to update a bit much. lol |
| 03:20.59 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: Yes, it will. So long as you use "squeeze" in sources.list instead of "testing". But, you won't need to re-install stable either. It will upgrade more or less without effort if you follow the release notes. |
| 03:21.15 | JohninLex | btw karlpinc thank you for your help, and dsfwea23 |
| 03:21.27 | dsfwea23 | JohninLex, you're welcome |
| 03:22.46 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: apt-cacher is better than squid for this sort of thing, and is probably in ubuntu too. No reason you can' |
| 03:22.50 | karlpinc | t run both. |
| 03:22.54 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, I haven't got to use debian yet, so not sure how often updates are compared to other distros. |
| 03:23.35 | ScottG | How do I start X with a single process and have it use my graphics drivers? I am trying to run google earth in its own X session. Right now I am using the command `xinit /usr/bin/googleearth -- :1 But this runs very slowly and when it opens it says it's running in OpenGL mode |
| 03:23.40 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, very true, just used squid because it was already in place and used for other updates as well. sucks that we (NZ) has such low bandwidth caps |
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| 03:23.56 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: See security.debian.org. Other updates are on perhaps 6 month intervals, and don't comprise much if you update security. (I'm talking stable here.) |
| 03:25.05 | karlpinc | ScottG: You probably want to pass more options to the Xserver. I couldn't say what. That's a guess on my part. |
| 03:25.44 | ScottG | karlpinc: Yea. I was thinking that too. Not sure what. I'll try to see what I can get from how my current X session is run |
| 03:25.54 | karlpinc | ScottG: See the Xlogs. |
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| 03:27.16 | _joey | what happened to firefox on debian? |
| 03:27.22 | ScottG | karlpinc: Ok, checking ps wasn't helpful |
| 03:27.26 | karlpinc | !tell _joey about iceweasel |
| 03:27.50 | _joey | i know what it's called |
| 03:27.55 | _joey | why? |
| 03:28.06 | karlpinc | !tell joey about why iceweasel |
| 03:28.24 | _joey | the bot is not telling a thing |
| 03:28.27 | _joey | :) |
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| 03:28.42 | karlpinc | _joey: Your irc client is hiding the messages somewhere. |
| 03:28.43 | ScottG | karlpinc: Honestly, I would just think it would have to do with xorg.conf |
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| 03:28.59 | ScottG | karlpinc: And isn't that always read when X starts? |
| 03:29.09 | karlpinc | ScottG: You would think so. xorg.conf has mostly gone away, but maybe you need to tweak it manually? |
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| 03:30.12 | ScottG | karlpinc: Wow has it really? I have always tried to ignore it because it was wicked cryptic. What has replaced it? |
| 03:30.21 | karlpinc | ScottG: It auto-configures. |
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| 03:30.36 | ScottG | Right. |
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| 03:31.55 | karlpinc | ScottG: It also talks to the kernel, I think. I don't know what I'm talking about here but perhaps a newer kernel from backports.org would help. |
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| 03:32.36 | karlpinc | ScottG: If you're using binary-only drivers well, you may be out of luck. See /msg dpkg binary-only drivers |
| 03:32.49 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, it seems that that graph you posted never goes to 0 on critical bugs (>500 most cases) not knowing how long it normally takes what would you "guess" it would take? two months, three? |
| 03:32.53 | ScottG | karlpinc: What I am saying is, in my current X session, being :0, it works great. But when I start it manually for a single process it seems to be missing drivers |
| 03:33.46 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: It goes down to something under 50 I think, then they do some magic, maybe throw out the offending packages, and declare stable. My guess is about June of 2011. |
| 03:33.59 | spersaud | I have this row of data "CA","J9Y","Rouyn-Noranda North","Quebec","QC",,,,48.8054,-79.1991 I want to turn that into "CA","J9Y","Rouyn-Noranda North","QC",48.8054,-79.1991 so I can easily use copy in postgresql to insert it into the data, or is there a way to skip over data with copy ? |
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| 03:34.18 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: There's a pool that dpkg knows about where people have submitted guesses. |
| 03:34.31 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, oh wow, wasn't thinking that long. :) I like the idea of "when it's ready" as apposed to ubuntu's every 6 months |
| 03:35.20 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, guess I was thinking it would be soon, so I guess stable is really the way I want to go. :D |
| 03:35.24 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: Me too. But people are impatient. Hence ubuntu. :) |
| 03:35.40 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: You never know. Miracles happen. |
| 03:35.45 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, nah, I'm moving away from that, hate having my system broke every other week. lol |
| 03:36.41 | karlpinc | spersaud: You could use cut, or awk, or.... |
| 03:36.51 | dsfwea23 | logged in today and my desktop was empty, last week my shutdown/logout buttons were corrupted and I can't seem to add it back to gnome-panel, and the list goes on and on. |
| 03:37.22 | karlpinc | ScottG: Perhaps Xsession comes to the rescue. But I doubt it. |
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| 03:38.41 | ScottG | karlpinc: Yea, my .Xsession just starts up the applications I want |
| 03:38.52 | karlpinc | spersaud: Load them all and drop the columns. |
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| 03:39.22 | karlpinc | ScottG: I'm thinking the Xsession program itself might do some magic. |
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| 03:40.02 | ScottG | I wasn't aware it was a program. I don't have a program named Xsession |
| 03:40.35 | karlpinc | ScottG: You could just start X, let it run gdm, make a session in /usr/share/xsessions/, and have an account auto-login. Or something like that. It's in /etc/gdm/ or /etc/X11/, depending. |
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| 03:41.30 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, thanks for the information, going with stable CD1 for now. :) |
| 03:41.34 | karlpinc | ScottG: The session you create would run your program and only your program. |
| 03:41.52 | spersaud | karlpinc: I cant drop the column, but sed looks nice all I have to do is a substitution |
| 03:41.56 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: You want the netinstall to save bandwidth. (You won't use everything on cd1.) |
| 03:41.56 | spersaud | karlpinc: thanks |
| 03:42.00 | ScottG | karlpinc: True |
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| 03:42.37 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: And, the netinstall makes a better sources.list file. |
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| 03:43.20 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, I thought about that, but was afraid that if I reinstall later (testing this in a VM) then I can reuse the CD on my other six other systems. |
| 03:43.51 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: That's what apt-cacher (etc) is for. |
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| 03:45.12 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: Although to be honest I'm unclear on exactly how you'd tell the installer to use your apt-cacher. Thing about debian is you install and just upgrade forever so you don't install often. |
| 03:46.08 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, hehe Last time I checked apt-cacher required hacking apt's files to use a proxy, but that was for ubuntu so may not be the case here |
| 03:46.24 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, I do have squid in place, but it's not 100% on things. |
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| 03:46.54 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: You change /etc/apt/sources.list to tell it to use the cache. It's painless. |
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| 03:47.37 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, does the installer allow for proxy? |
| 03:47.43 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: Yes. |
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| 03:48.06 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: The install manual at debian.org is good. |
| 03:50.35 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: What's wrong with ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/? |
| 03:51.12 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: Or debian.ihug.co.nz? |
| 03:51.31 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, they are not listed on the official debian page. :) |
| 03:51.52 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: Yes they are: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 03:52.15 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 03:52.25 | dsfwea23 | the list below doesn't seem to match. |
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| 03:53.21 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: Ah, you're looking at the sites that mirror the cds. I'm looking at who has the packages. |
| 03:54.12 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, I checked two of the nz mirrors with packages, they didn't have CD images |
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| 03:55.14 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: I'm thinking that if you're charged for off-island traffic you can get the netinstall and it'll get the packages from on-island if you tell it to use the right mirror. |
| 03:56.04 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, that would be good, but they still charge for local traffic too. >:( But if it's off-island it takes FOREVER to download, lol. |
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| 03:56.59 | dsfwea23 | I'm lucky to get 50-100KBps from outside NZ, but if I can find it locally, then I can get up to 900-1000KBps. |
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| 03:58.01 | dsfwea23 | just gotta love how NZ brags about having 14Mbit DSL, yet our pipes out of here are slow as dialup and cost way to much. |
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| 03:59.13 | spersaud | dsfwea23: where is NZ ? new zealand ? |
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| 03:59.21 | dsfwea23 | yep |
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| 04:02.54 | twiggz | lol |
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| 04:03.39 | twiggz | beardy just banned me from the offtopic channel because he tried to call my wife a whore, and i ended up making him look stupid. |
| 04:03.48 | twiggz | he will ban me soon here also. |
| 04:03.58 | karlpinc | twiggz: He will if you stay offtopic. |
| 04:04.17 | twiggz | i just stated facts. |
| 04:04.18 | karlpinc | dsfwea23: If you use the cd image don't forget to add internet sources to your sources.list after install. |
| 04:05.23 | twiggz | add contrib non-free |
| 04:05.28 | twiggz | to every line |
| 04:05.47 | twiggz | in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:06.18 | twiggz | or just use freebsd. |
| 04:06.25 | twiggz | smirks |
| 04:07.16 | twiggz | ports is much more elegant...debian is just easier. |
| 04:07.45 | karlpinc | ScottG: What happened to vt8? Maybe it's slow because you're using a single server and it's confused? |
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| 04:08.39 | twiggz | lol @ beardy POS ...cant even respond....if he does, he will mute or ban me...because I win. |
| 04:08.55 | ScottG | karlpinc: What do you mean a single server? |
| 04:09.15 | twiggz | or |
| 04:09.16 | ScottG | karlpinc: Btw, was looking through my Xorg.1.log and |
| 04:09.28 | ScottG | karlpinc: http://privatepaste.com/16c77156a1 |
| 04:09.31 | twiggz | he will try to act like it never happened. |
| 04:09.48 | twiggz | bitchmade shitbird cocksucker beardy |
| 04:09.50 | ScottG | karlpinc: Line 667: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. |
| 04:10.13 | twiggz | tell these folks you banned me because you called my wife a whore and i made you look stupid |
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| 04:10.20 | twiggz | raise up punk. |
| 04:10.32 | Bizurke | lol, who is Karl Pinc? |
| 04:11.13 | dsfwea23 | karlpinc, well I'm trying the netinstall, haven't got to a place to put a proxy in yet, still partition disk |
| 04:11.13 | twiggz | GET OFF YOUR SHOULDERS BEARDY |
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| 04:11.18 | twiggz | RAISE UP |
| 04:11.37 | twiggz | YOU CALLED MY WIFE A WHORE, I MADE YOU LOOK STUPID...SO YOU BANNED ME. |
| 04:12.02 | twiggz | lol |
| 04:12.11 | twiggz | bitchmade ass |
| 04:12.11 | Bizurke | Should be shortly after the partition when it asks for the repo and proxy info |
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| 04:12.56 | twiggz | oh, does beardy not have an @ here? |
| 04:13.06 | twiggz | yeah, hes a little pissant |
| 04:13.22 | dsfwea23 | I've got apt-cacher setup, as well as squid, I assume I'd put <ip of my apt-cacher>:3142 as the proxy? |
| 04:13.26 | Dewi | twiggz: yeah. Please don't take it out on the rest of us |
| 04:13.33 | twiggz | call my wife a whore...so why ban me for retaliating ? I made him look stupid. |
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| 04:13.38 | twiggz | so he banned me. |
| 04:14.12 | twiggz | beardy: i swear, if i ever meet you in person, i will beat you until you PISS BLOOD. |
| 04:14.29 | IdleOne | heh |
| 04:14.36 | twiggz | 349 woodlawn ave , hot springs AR ...71913 |
| 04:14.37 | dsfwea23 | nerd rage, lol. |
| 04:14.41 | Dewi | twiggz: take it to private query :P |
| 04:14.42 | twiggz | you want to act hard on here... |
| 04:15.15 | Dewi | wow, did he just give 900 internet strangers his address? |
| 04:15.19 | twiggz | youre not hard. |
| 04:15.23 | twiggz | yes i did. |
| 04:15.43 | twiggz | i welcome any of you to come by and have a beer. |
| 04:15.46 | twiggz | :) |
| 04:15.57 | IdleOne | Dewi: I know he does not know my address if he can give that then I'll believe he had the right one for beardy |
| 04:16.03 | twiggz | but this beardy fuckhole...i hope he comes by. |
| 04:16.44 | twiggz | i gave you the right one for ME |
| 04:16.50 | twiggz | you stupid shitsore. |
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| 04:16.57 | IdleOne | ohhh |
| 04:17.01 | Dewi | Is there a #debian-offtopic-offtopic I can direct twiggz to? |
| 04:17.03 | IdleOne | I thought that was beardy's |
| 04:17.16 | Dewi | for people who are too far off-topic for #debian-offtopic ? |
| 04:17.18 | twiggz | nah, beardy isnt that brave. |
| 04:17.27 | IdleOne | well in that case next time I'm in AR I'll drop in |
| 04:17.48 | twiggz | and no, Dewi, beardy banned me from the offtopic channel because he called my wife a whore and i made him look stupid. |
| 04:17.55 | twiggz | now he wont answer in here. |
| 04:18.00 | twiggz | punk ass bitch |
| 04:18.15 | IdleOne | probably because this is not the appropriate forum to answer in |
| 04:18.29 | Dewi | twiggz: So just to be clear, your wife doesn't have sex in exchange for money? |
| 04:18.51 | twiggz | probably because he doesnt have the equiptment to handle me. |
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| 04:18.59 | cheasee | anyone familar with truecrypt? i installed libfuse and dmsetup, created a truecrypt container but after creation it told me "Error: Incorrect password or not a TrueCrypt volume." trying to mount gives same |
| 04:19.17 | twiggz | beardy has no balls. |
| 04:19.24 | twiggz | the end. |
| 04:19.31 | Dewi | cheasee: well the most obvious would be you forgot the password already :P |
| 04:19.34 | IdleOne | twiggz: you realize you are going to get yourself banned here also |
| 04:19.43 | IdleOne | oh, you ended |
| 04:19.43 | twiggz | and yes, i gave all of the hundreds of you my address. |
| 04:19.48 | cheasee | dewi: funny joke :P |
| 04:19.49 | twiggz | i fear none of you. |
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| 04:20.10 | dsfwea23 | reading 6.3.5.1.2. Using a network mirror, but I don't see any mention of using apt-cacher. Any tips? |
| 04:20.18 | IdleOne | I don't recall making any threats |
| 04:20.24 | twiggz | 349 woodlawn , hot springs AR , 71913 |
| 04:20.35 | twiggz | OMFG i did it again. |
| 04:20.45 | IdleOne | AR that's Arkansa right? |
| 04:20.52 | twiggz | arkansas |
| 04:20.57 | twiggz | dipshit. |
| 04:21.10 | IdleOne | yeah, I won't ever have a reason to go there |
| 04:21.14 | dsfwea23 | might explain some things. |
| 04:21.17 | IdleOne | thanks for the offer though |
| 04:21.40 | Dewi | twiggz: should I be reading your text in a Clinton accent? |
| 04:21.47 | IdleOne | heh |
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| 04:21.51 | twiggz | lol, yea, i understand...its the best place by far to buy guns in the US. |
| 04:22.17 | IdleOne | moonshine and guns |
| 04:22.22 | IdleOne | great combo |
| 04:22.47 | twiggz | arkansas, the patron state of blowing shit up and shooting shit for fun. |
| 04:22.52 | twiggz | RAISE UP BEARDY |
| 04:22.59 | twiggz | CAN YOU NOT BAN ME HERE? |
| 04:23.05 | twiggz | WHATS YOUR PROBLEM HO> |
| 04:23.29 | twiggz | brb, food. |
| 04:23.35 | IdleOne | hahaha |
| 04:23.44 | twiggz | i might be banned when i get back |
| 04:23.47 | twiggz | i doubt it |
| 04:23.58 | beardy | !ops twiggz |
| 04:23.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: beardy complains about: twiggz |
| 04:24.07 | twiggz | he might be begging someone in this channel with access to do it now |
| 04:24.13 | twiggz | who cares? |
| 04:24.21 | IdleOne | that shows he does have access |
| 04:24.23 | twiggz | fuck you beardy |
| 04:24.35 | twiggz | you say |
| 04:24.38 | IdleOne | he's just letting you make a bigger fool of yourself. |
| 04:24.46 | IdleOne | but it's entertaining |
| 04:24.47 | twiggz | my wifes a whore? so i make you look stupid and you ban me? |
| 04:24.51 | twiggz | haha |
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| 04:24.54 | twiggz | loser. |
| 04:25.00 | Dewi | twiggz: thing is, with or without beardy, you're breaking the rules here |
| 04:25.18 | twiggz | Dewi: you actually think i care? |
| 04:25.33 | twiggz | that pissant cocksucker tried to call my wife a whore. |
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| 04:26.02 | twiggz | PISSANT |
| 04:26.05 | Dewi | twiggz: If you go into a rage every time that happens, either arkansaw is the most polite place in the USA, or you'd be in jail by now... |
| 04:26.14 | Dewi | oops, arkansas |
| 04:26.25 | twiggz | yeah, atleast spell it correctly. |
| 04:26.32 | infidel | anyone know why mysql-server fail to configure after install? |
| 04:26.33 | dsfwea23 | twiggz, How will screaming stuff in another channel at others change any of that? |
| 04:26.42 | twiggz | it wont. |
| 04:27.12 | Dewi | twiggz: I'm not american, I assumed for years that arkansas and arkansaw were 2 different places :P |
| 04:27.14 | twiggz | but hes not denying that hes a fuckng jerkoff for banning me for making him look stupid after he tried to call my wife a whore. |
| 04:27.17 | twiggz | sp |
| 04:27.20 | twiggz | er |
| 04:27.22 | twiggz | so |
| 04:27.25 | twiggz | i win. |
| 04:27.32 | Dewi | A winner is you. |
| 04:27.33 | twiggz | beardy = lose. |
| 04:27.39 | IdleOne | you win |
| 04:27.42 | Dewi | You might say we're all winners. |
| 04:27.48 | IdleOne | can we move on to another game now? |
| 04:27.52 | dsfwea23 | twiggz, ok, great, we can we move on now? |
| 04:28.34 | tharkun | KB1JWQ: ping |
| 04:28.54 | twiggz | ok, great, as long as everyones up on the subject, beardy is a piece of shit cocksucker that couldnt back his mouth up without banning me after he implied that my wife was a whore and i made him look stupid in front of the whole offtopic channel. |
| 04:29.00 | twiggz | chea. |
| 04:29.01 | dsfwea23 | is ext4 stable in lenny? |
| 04:29.15 | twiggz | ext4 is ok in squeeze. |
| 04:29.15 | IdleOne | twiggz: noted. |
| 04:29.21 | twiggz | i never run stable. |
| 04:29.23 | infidel | twiggz, ya got a picture of your wife? |
| 04:29.34 | twiggz | i run freebsd and debian testing. |
| 04:29.56 | twiggz | sure, on my lame ass myspace. |
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| 04:30.16 | infidel | url please |
| 04:30.23 | twiggz | http://myspace.com/linux_bsd_gangster |
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| 04:30.55 | twiggz | also, http://sindustries.ning.com |
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| 04:31.01 | twiggz | there are pics on there |
| 04:31.10 | twiggz | for both diana and mike...me.. |
| 04:31.23 | twiggz | :) |
| 04:31.33 | IdleOne | she's to pretty for you |
| 04:31.42 | IdleOne | congrats |
| 04:31.45 | twiggz | I still have her :) |
| 04:31.51 | IdleOne | had a beautiful wife once |
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| 04:33.08 | infidel | twiggz, you guys look happy |
| 04:33.23 | infidel | twiggz, nice desktop shots too |
| 04:34.02 | twiggz | ty, infidel |
| 04:34.36 | twiggz | i keep an extra machine around to test every new release that doesnt have anything to do with ubuntu out... |
| 04:35.24 | twiggz | i watch distrowatch daily...i run those worthy.. |
| 04:35.31 | twiggz | for a bit atleast. |
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| 04:36.09 | infidel | cool |
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| 04:38.32 | twiggz | pardon my /sysinfo spam |
| 04:38.46 | twiggz | Hostname: SuicidalDreams - OS: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE/i386 - CPU: 16 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU E1500 @ 2.20GHz (2212.94-MHz 686-class CPU)CPU - Processes: 62 - Uptime: 7h 9m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 30.69MB/2022.16MB (1.52%) - Disk Usage: 4.46GB/447.28GB (1.00%) |
| 04:39.16 | twiggz | llolol@ how this script does NOT work with freebsd |
| 04:39.50 | twiggz | to many kiddos dont even think about making a .pl script to be correct on bsd also.. |
| 04:40.09 | twiggz | i am only on a dual core E1500 |
| 04:40.33 | twiggz | ihave no idea where it gets 16x from |
| 04:41.47 | twiggz | other than the 16x, the info is correct...mind you that the mem usage also includes cached and buffers.... |
| 04:42.40 | twiggz | my machine is far from special. |
| 04:43.12 | twiggz | hell, most apps cant even use dual core technology properly yet...why buy anything more? |
| 04:43.28 | JohninLex | I have that special system, that everyone wants |
| 04:43.35 | twiggz | becayse youre in mommies basement and are compensating? |
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| 04:44.36 | twiggz | why buy a quad core when dual core technology isnt even used properly yet by 98% of all apps? |
| 04:44.36 | JohninLex | no, I am married with a dog, but oh oh boy do I wished I had a basement |
| 04:44.38 | dsfwea23 | gcc, blender, gimp, ffmpeg, etc, all can use SMP, not to mention running multiple applications at the same time. :) |
| 04:44.44 | twiggz | why buy a quad core when dual core technology isnt even used properly yet by 98% of all apps? |
| 04:45.19 | JohninLex | but this special computer is 233mhz 65mb of ram and a wopping 2.2 gig hd |
| 04:45.25 | dsfwea23 | no need to buy one if you're not going to use it. But others might need it. |
| 04:46.01 | twiggz | You think they might need it, but the apps they want to run wont use it. |
| 04:46.34 | twiggz | not properly anyway. |
| 04:46.35 | JohninLex | but really guys I have a small problem with debain, would you care to help |
| 04:47.05 | JohninLex | I can not get debian to find Blackbox |
| 04:47.56 | Suguiura | Hey guys, is there any Packages.gz for a Debian ISO file? |
| 04:48.09 | twiggz | i tried debian amd64 vps from aprnetworks...sorry....i get better results using freebsd for my vps thats fbsd amd64 |
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| 04:49.02 | twiggz | oh wait ....there must be a reason that debian and gentoo both want to provide their distribution on top of the freebsd kernel EH |
| 04:49.06 | twiggz | ???? |
| 04:49.11 | twiggz | lol. |
| 04:49.13 | Bryanstein | can someone pastebin their .gtkrc for me...I kinda screwed mine up |
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| 04:50.08 | twiggz | my point |
| 04:50.12 | twiggz | FUCK LINUX |
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| 04:50.20 | twiggz | its chaotic. |
| 04:50.48 | twiggz | no real base install |
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| 04:51.12 | Bryanstein | twiggz, so what will you use instead? |
| 04:51.13 | twiggz | no real seperation of base and user added programs... |
| 04:51.25 | twiggz | Bryanstein: |
| 04:51.29 | twiggz | Hostname: SuicidalDreams - OS: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE/i386 - CPU: 16 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU E1500 @ 2.20GHz (2212.94-MHz 686-class CPU)CPU - Processes: 61 - Uptime: 7h 22m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 30.70MB/2022.16MB (1.52%) - Disk Usage: 4.46GB/447.28GB (1.00%) |
| 04:52.10 | Bryanstein | ah...a Beastie...been using FreeBSD since 4 on pc98 save the speech lol |
| 04:52.12 | dsfwea23 | can anyone help me with apt-cacher? I setup apt-cacher on a ubuntu box, configured my apt-cacher.conf and set path_map for my local debian mirrors, but the installer (netinst) is saying the mirror isn't valid when I use my proxy ip:3142 (aptcacher port) |
| 04:52.33 | twiggz | :) Bryanstein |
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| 04:53.10 | Bryanstein | dsfwea23, yes I can...pastebin your sources.list |
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| 04:53.29 | dsfwea23 | Bryanstein, don't have one yet, it's in the installer (curses based one) |
| 04:53.48 | twiggz | i run debian testing on one of those ultra green shitsmall boxes that come with ubuntu....advertised on distrowatch... |
| 04:53.50 | Bryanstein | ohhh well this is the issue...you have to play with it A LOT or use apt-cacher-ng |
| 04:54.27 | Bryanstein | twiggz, get a Sheevaplug and be happy |
| 04:54.42 | Bryanstein | dsfwea23, install apt-cacher-ng |
| 04:54.44 | twiggz | ill never run debian stable for a desktop...and debian stable...lots of old shit...need to roll your own .debs |
| 04:55.26 | Bryanstein | twiggz, debian stable is like freebsd ports...both are stale as hell |
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| 04:55.54 | twiggz | only freebsd ports are more up to date. |
| 04:56.02 | twiggz | dispute that, you are liar. |
| 04:56.31 | imaginaryman | I added a 2nd hard drive to my fstab and everything is working but I want it to be part of my file system as a whole and not just another drive |
| 04:56.39 | JohninLex | twiggz: if that is so why can I not apt-get install blackbox |
| 04:57.16 | twiggz | who the fuck wants to use blackbox now? wasnt that like the shit as of ten years ago? |
| 04:57.26 | imaginaryman | how can I make my system see the 2nd hard drive I added as part of the root file system and not an independent drive |
| 04:57.26 | twiggz | there is fluxbox and openbox... |
| 04:57.36 | twiggz | im an openbox man myself. |
| 04:57.50 | twiggz | i use openbox and tint2 panel on freebsd |
| 04:57.57 | JohninLex | well this laptop I am playing with is from 16 years ago |
| 04:58.20 | twiggz | you should upgrade it. |
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| 04:58.59 | JohninLex | Linux myhost 2.6.34-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jul 5 21:03:38 UTC 2010 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux this my main box btw |
| 04:59.26 | JohninLex | they one I am playing with is alot older |
| 05:00.07 | twiggz | arch is crap. its put together by a bunch of kids with pimples trying to be bleeding edge ...they dont test those pkgs they throw into the AUR ... |
| 05:00.09 | dsfwea23 | Bryanstein, ok, I installed -ng, and have it running, but still get bad mirror from installer, do I need to do something different with the config of apt-cacher-ng? |
| 05:00.10 | twiggz | lol.. |
| 05:00.59 | twiggz | arch lets anyone throw a pkg into the aur. |
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| 05:01.01 | Bryanstein | dsfwea23, no...just use the correct path |
| 05:01.02 | twiggz | sorry. |
| 05:01.14 | twiggz | you lose. |
| 05:01.34 | JohninLex | twiggz: it is not that I need an upgrade, my main deskto is fine for what I do, I am not one of those kids with pimples, but I do not update everyday or week or month |
| 05:01.43 | dsfwea23 | Bryanstein, correct path for the proxy line? Shouldn't that just be http://10.0.0.1:3142/ ? |
| 05:02.31 | JohninLex | twiggz: I like BSD btw, I am on the Ghostbsd team |
| 05:02.41 | Nai-ux | for install: if i plan to have a 20gb root partition, is it too slow to put the swap after that on the disk? is it recommended to make a small root / and then a swap partition then more /usr /tmp partitions after that? |
| 05:02.44 | Bryanstein | dsfwea23 no need to do that...what I have found is you just leave that alone and prepend the repo to it |
| 05:03.03 | JohninLex | but that doesnt mean we all have trouble with other distro's from time to time |
| 05:03.10 | twiggz | JohninLex: i update my freebsd desktop frequently with portmaster...often i pkg_delete -af && cd /usr/local/ && rm -Rf * |
| 05:03.15 | twiggz | and start over |
| 05:03.22 | twiggz | no linux distro can do that. |
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| 05:03.37 | twiggz | not even debian |
| 05:03.56 | macrobat | imaginaryman: with lvm you can make filesystems that spans hard disks |
| 05:04.06 | dsfwea23 | Bryanstein, I don't follow, if the installer isn't pointed at the proxy it will just grab them off the net and bypass any caching |
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| 05:04.35 | JohninLex | no most people could not ever begin to recove from that, or even most linux desktop. this is one reason why I am Also using Ghostbsd |
| 05:04.40 | Bryanstein | dsfwea23, wrong...the mirror...set it manually then use the full line of your cache |
| 05:05.38 | Bryanstein | http://1.1.1.1:3142/blah.debian.blah like that dsfwea23 |
| 05:08.09 | dsfwea23 | ah, see a problem, it's not http, the mirror was ftp |
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| 05:09.09 | dsfwea23 | I tried the other mirror http://10.0.0.1:3142/debian.ihug.co.nz and the installer says bad mirror again |
| 05:09.48 | dsfwea23 | we only have two mirrors here. :-/ |
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| 05:32.39 | stew | rashd7_: try #debian-arm on irc.debian.org |
| 05:32.56 | rashd7_ | stew: none there :-( |
| 05:33.14 | stew | #debian-arm 41 http://wiki.debian.org/ArmPort |
| 05:33.18 | stew | 41 people there ? |
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| 05:51.45 | Bushmills | determine why you "can't get it to work", fix the reason |
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| 06:24.55 | unkmar | butter milk biscuits |
| 06:25.39 | dsfwea23 | is openoffice 2.4 the latest version for lenny? |
| 06:26.47 | unkmar | dsfwea23: it appears that 2.4.1 is, yeah. |
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| 06:27.39 | dsfwea23 | unkmar, thanks, so if I needed something from the 3.x series I'd need to move to squeeze? |
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| 06:29.02 | ndee | is it somehow possible to find all symbolic links, that point to a specific directory? |
| 06:29.42 | unkmar | yeah, but it might not be fast and elegant. |
| 06:30.25 | unkmar | you can use a combo of find, ls, and grep. There are probably better ways though. |
| 06:30.30 | ndee | unkmar: I guess it's just a one way relation then. |
| 06:30.50 | dsfwea23 | I'm moving from ubuntu, trying to get a more stable system... perhaps there is a way to add a deb source that has newer versions of software X or Y? |
| 06:31.22 | unkmar | dsfwea23: you can, but that sort of defeats the purpose. |
| 06:32.26 | rozie | dsfwea23: you can use apt pinning, you can use backports.org |
| 06:32.27 | dsfwea23 | unkmar, even if it's just for a few apps? My files are in a newer format and working with older versions will cause some problems. I'd still like the rest of the system to be more tested and stable... if possible. :) |
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| 06:33.15 | rozie | dsfwea23: try backports.org |
| 06:33.53 | rozie | dsfwea23: and consider switching to testing, if it's packages are new enough |
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| 06:34.46 | rozie | should be stable enough for desktop |
| 06:34.58 | dsfwea23 | rozie, they are in testing, but I've kind of been told it's not as stable and won't be for some time. :) |
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| 06:35.22 | rozie | dsfwea23: well... backports then |
| 06:36.32 | dsfwea23 | rozie, lol, guess everyone has an opinion about how stable it is. I'm just moving from ubuntu because I'm tired of updates breaking something week after week. :) |
| 06:37.05 | dsfwea23 | would you say it's more or less stable compared to ubuntu 10.04? |
| 06:37.13 | unkmar | I haven't had that problem. but I don't use my ubuntu system much or update it very often. |
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| 06:37.33 | unkmar | I also stayed with 8.04 while the 9's where out. |
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| 06:38.21 | dsfwea23 | I wish I did, 9.04 worked for my hardware... but 9.10 broke things and I filed bugs. They deleted the bugs when 10.04 came out because it "wasn't the current version." And 10.04 didn't fix things either. |
| 06:38.48 | neoice | thats why we're all in #debian :P |
| 06:39.11 | dsfwea23 | So basically I was told if it isn't current, we don't care about the bug... and the last years worth didn't work either. rolleyes |
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| 06:39.27 | dsfwea23 | neoice, why I'm here as well. :) |
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| 06:39.31 | rozie | dsfwea23: IMVHO Ubuntu (stable version) has stability lower then Debian testing. but I used Ubuntu very little - contact from time to time only. and friends at work are using it |
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| 06:39.58 | neoice | Debian Unstable can get a little dicey |
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| 06:40.13 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 06:40.20 | dsfwea23 | so it's stable -> testing -> unstable? |
| 06:40.31 | rozie | dsfwea23: but if you want *stable* and new packages, Lenny + backports.org should be enough |
| 06:41.08 | rozie | (although I had bad experiences with backports a few years ago) |
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| 06:41.26 | rozie | dsfwea23: yes, and then is -> experimental |
| 06:41.29 | dsfwea23 | I don't mind a little problem every now and then, but the last three weeks has been one major issue after another for ubuntu. And my hardware still doesn't work like it did in 9.04 |
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| 06:42.32 | unkmar | I have a similar problem NOW with my debian. |
| 06:42.54 | unkmar | but, I can't complain too much, I have never taken the time to file a report. |
| 06:42.56 | dsfwea23 | Only things I really *need* are newer openoffice (files in new formats), homebank 4.1.2+, and inkscape/gimp. I'm fine with the rest of the system being a bit older |
| 06:43.32 | rozie | dsfwea23: unless you have newer wifi and Lenny's kernel doesn't support it ;-) |
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| 06:43.53 | dsfwea23 | I tired with ubuntu, I found the problem (evdev/hal/xorg) and filed bugs. They got deleted. I asked in the channel and posted in fourms. No one really cared. :-/ |
| 06:44.12 | ShapeShifter499 | I just installed squeeze via a downloaded iso and there are a few questions about my install, one was it acted "weird" during install of grub. it said "do you want to continue without installing grub: yes no" I said no but the screen kept coming back up so I said yes but the progress window showed like it was installing grub. Is this a bug of the latest iso for squeeze? |
| 06:44.16 | rozie | dsfwea23: check if these packages are at bacports.org. if so, try Lenny and backports (I'm repeating myself, right?) |
| 06:45.01 | unkmar | ShapeShifter499: I've had that problem with lenny, when it lose internet during install. |
| 06:45.11 | dsfwea23 | rozie, yeah mate, thanks. |
| 06:45.21 | ShapeShifter499 | unkmar: hmm.. |
| 06:45.37 | unkmar | I use Go Back and reselected detect network, the reselected, Configure network. Problem solved. |
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| 06:45.54 | unkmar | *used, *then. |
| 06:45.54 | ShapeShifter499 | unkmar: well I tried to "go back" but it didn't let me |
| 06:46.29 | unkmar | oh, well, I also was using a biz card install. In other words, text mode install. |
| 06:46.43 | DDRP | There should be another virtual terminal you can switch to to see what the installer is trying to do |
| 06:46.47 | ShapeShifter499 | I used a full cd install |
| 06:47.30 | ShapeShifter499 | DDRP: how do I get to that? |
| 06:47.49 | ShapeShifter499 | DDRP: ctrl+alt+f1 ? |
| 06:48.51 | DDRP | Just alrt + f4 I think, in text mode, I haven't tried it in graphics mode... as I don't see the point in graphics mode |
| 06:49.06 | ShapeShifter499 | I used text mode |
| 06:49.39 | DDRP | alt-f1 through f7 take you through all the virtual terminals |
| 06:50.07 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm.. anyways, everything seems good, except it seems because of the funky grub install now I can't boot into windows, how do I fix this? |
| 06:50.13 | dsfwea23 | rozie, if backports doesn't have something (homebank) what options do I have? The version I need is in squeeze btw. |
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| 06:51.08 | unkmar | Either manually add the entry or, run rescue mode and attempt the grub install again. |
| 06:51.20 | ShapeShifter499 | ok |
| 06:52.38 | ShapeShifter499 | one more thing, while installing xchat, it asked for my install cd. why? |
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| 06:53.18 | ShapeShifter499 | I looked at my sources.list file and it seems like all the source lines are there... |
| 06:54.08 | unkmar | right, including CD. you want to use net most of the time. so, once the system is up and running you should comment out the CD line. |
| 06:54.41 | ShapeShifter499 | ah I was going to do that, wasn't sure |
| 06:54.42 | ShapeShifter499 | ok |
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| 06:55.43 | abaddon | hi, i have a weird issue with an old etch, i know its outdated, when im making a tcp connection between it and another server via netcat, im trying to send data from the other server, i can see it in tcpdump coming in but it doesnt show in netcat, firewall is stopped, ive noticed a reboot fixes it, after a reboot, in a couple of days it reappears and theres no settings getting changed that could cause this, any idea? could it be hardware |
| 06:56.07 | abaddon | kernel -> 2.6.18-openvz-686 |
| 06:56.20 | ShapeShifter499 | unkmar ok thanks for the help |
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| 07:00.40 | unkmar | abaddon: netcat is pretty raw. You shouldn't have a problem with it unless you have a firewall or hardware in the way. |
| 07:00.47 | JohninLex | night guys |
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| 07:01.43 | ShapeShifter499 | can someone pastbin a normal squeeze source.list file |
| 07:01.56 | dsfwea23 | um... weekly builds last updated 26th Nov 2009? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 07:02.04 | the-dude | ShapeShifter499: see /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 07:02.06 | unkmar | I'd like to disable the lid latch to my laptop without taking it apart. The system doesn't come back when whatever gets activated from the lid latch. |
| 07:02.29 | abaddon | unkmar: iptables -nL is empty and ACCEPT, and i see the packet in tcpdump, thats why i dont understand, also box should be relatively secure, its just running openvz and nothing else, firewalled.. kernel is old, but its unlikely its rooted |
| 07:03.15 | abaddon | im thinkint its either a hardware problem where the packet is mangled a bit just so the kernel ditches it, or kernel problem, just wondering if anyone else had this before |
| 07:03.26 | dsfwea23 | btw, I'm looking for debian testing net install for amd64... Wouldn't that be in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
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| 07:04.47 | ShapeShifter499 | the-dude: I've looked I don't see anything showing a normal sources.list |
| 07:05.57 | the-dude | ShapeShifter499: sorry its in the apt dir not aptitude |
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| 07:09.36 | dsfwea23 | I cannot find a netinst for squeeze on any of the mirrors? Where can I find one? |
| 07:10.27 | OpenTokix | dsfwea23: ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1 |
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| 07:11.57 | dsfwea23 | OpenTokix, thank yuo |
| 07:12.19 | the-dude | dsfwea23: or http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/debian/dists/squeeze/main/ |
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| 07:15.13 | ShapeShifter499 | ok thanks |
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| 07:15.18 | ShapeShifter499 | g2g bye all |
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| 07:20.44 | Opentux | hi buddies, I have a question regarding logitech orbit webcam. Does anyone know how we can use the engines (rotation etc...) of the cam? |
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| 07:21.37 | top-f | stable has a coreutils bug that testing doesn't have |
| 07:21.43 | top-f | perl -e '$|=1;for(1..100){print "$_\n";sleep 1}' | cat |
| 07:21.48 | top-f | perl -e '$|=1;for(1..100){print "$_\n";sleep 1}' | cat -v |
| 07:22.36 | Dewi | I would like to be able to see, graph, things like CPU usage and network I/O over time on a number of hosts |
| 07:22.59 | Dewi | anyone got any suggestions about what can easily access a wide variety of stats like that in debian? |
| 07:23.33 | unkmar | Dewi: conky |
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| 07:24.32 | Dewi | unkmar: these are remote hosts |
| 07:24.46 | Dewi | (they don't run X) |
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| 07:25.10 | top-f | sucks when you want nc ... | cat -v to prevent remote messing with your terminal |
| 07:25.24 | unkmar | but you want to view it on your system in X? |
| 07:25.33 | Dewi | unkmar: no, probably on the web |
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| 07:26.44 | Dewi | cacti seems popular |
| 07:26.55 | Dewi | but I don't know how to get a rich source of data for it |
| 07:27.10 | the-dude | Dewi: munin |
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| 07:27.55 | Dewi | the-dude: can it do remote storage? |
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| 07:28.16 | the-dude | Dewi: define remote storage |
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| 07:29.20 | Dewi | the-dude: hmm, it has munin-master and munin-node. Which end is data stored o? |
| 07:29.21 | Dewi | n? |
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| 07:33.27 | karme | Dewi: don't know munin-master (maybe it is called like that in >=squeeze?), but munin-node only fetches the information (afair) |
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| 07:34.57 | Dewi | karme: I'll have another look at it. I tried it briefly years ago, but never got around to deploying anything and i've forgotten it all now |
| 07:34.59 | llutz | Dewi: master collects the data from the nodes |
| 07:35.20 | chilli0 | How can I install ushare on debian OR anything else that can stream my music to my xbox. ( CLI) |
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| 07:36.22 | Dewi | chilli0: apt-cache search upnp |
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| 07:36.47 | Dewi | chilli0: there's at least one media sharing service in there (gmediaserver) |
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| 07:37.04 | chilli0 | Dewi, You recoment gmediaserver over ushare for xbox 360 sharing? |
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| 07:37.43 | Dewi | chilli0: I've never used any of them. ushare isn't packaged for debian tho, so you'll need to build it yourself to use it |
| 07:37.52 | chilli0 | Mmokay. |
| 07:37.59 | Dewi | chilli0: mediatomb looks like another one in debian |
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| 07:38.43 | the-dude | Dewi: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/597/Monitoring_with_Munin |
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| 07:39.06 | Dewi | the-dude: yep, reading that. It seems to have a pretty good pagerank :P |
| 07:39.26 | the-dude | Dewi: I wrote it |
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| 07:40.29 | Dewi | the-dude: cool :) |
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| 07:41.28 | Dewi | hey, what's the equivalent of 'htpasswd' that can plug into the system user list? |
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| 07:45.02 | Kasreyn | where can i find a matching boot.img.gz for squeeze_di_alpha1 netinst iso ? |
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| 07:45.47 | negge | hello guys |
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| 07:46.53 | negge | I would like to configure a system so that when a new user is created, he can't access any other users' home directories, but users who belong to a specific group can access all homes. How exactly do I do this? /etc/adduser.conf is a bit limited in this respect... |
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| 07:50.35 | Bushmills | setting DIR_MODE in adduser.conf to 750 would be a good start |
| 07:50.47 | Dewi | negge: perhaps it would be better to allow that group of users some additional abilities via 'sudo', rather than trying to express that through the user perms |
| 07:51.29 | Dewi | Bushmills: wouldn't that be 770 ? |
| 07:51.31 | Dewi | er |
| 07:51.33 | Dewi | 775 |
| 07:51.51 | Bushmills | that allows world to change to and read user dirs |
| 07:52.03 | Dewi | Bushmills: isn't it ugo ? |
| 07:52.04 | Bushmills | 750 allows writing by user, and reading/changing to by group |
| 07:52.17 | Bushmills | changing to, that is |
| 07:52.31 | Dewi | oh, so 770 |
| 07:52.37 | Bushmills | i suppose "accessing" doesn't mean "able to create files" |
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| 07:52.58 | Dewi | Bushmills: I think we have different ideas of what "access" would mean by default :) |
| 07:54.01 | Dewi | negge: so anyway, you can change the mode bits in that conf file, but I don't know if adduser is going to let you create home directories owned by a group the user is not in |
| 07:54.04 | Bushmills | possibly. if accessing a web page means for you "being able to add your own pages on that site" |
| 07:57.20 | Dewi | in what respect is PAM integrated into debian? |
| 07:57.33 | Dewi | is the system user list accessible via PAM? |
| 07:57.51 | Kasreyn | why is debian-installer in such a broken state? |
| 07:57.57 | Dewi | or can logins happen against a remote PAM store? |
| 07:58.03 | Dewi | Kasreyn: the stable one is fine |
| 07:58.30 | Kasreyn | Dewi: i want squeeze one. it has drivers i need |
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| 07:58.50 | Dewi | Kasreyn: do you need the drivers during installation>? |
| 07:59.14 | Kasreyn | Dewi: yes, i want netinst on Eee PC |
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| 07:59.24 | SauLus | elik: interesting. will you rely upon them? |
| 07:59.39 | Kasreyn | besides, squeeze should soon be stable right? |
| 07:59.41 | Dewi | Kasreyn: you could try a different snapshot |
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| 08:00.00 | mao24 | hi - does anyone know the best command to check an external usb drive (FAT32) for errors ? |
| 08:00.20 | Dewi | mao24: fsck.vfat |
| 08:00.21 | Kasreyn | Dewi: from where? here? http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/ |
| 08:00.34 | mao24 | thanks |
| 08:01.02 | Dewi | Kasreyn: did you use alpha1? |
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| 08:01.23 | Dewi | Kasreyn: there's an alpha, daily builds, weekly builds... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
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| 08:02.17 | Kasreyn | Dewi: well yes but i can't find the matching boot.img.gz to put on usb stick |
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| 08:03.37 | Dewi | Kasreyn: I've never had much luck with usb boot, sorry |
| 08:03.39 | Kasreyn | wait, debian live has the installer? |
| 08:04.41 | negge | Dewi: I'd rather not use sudo |
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| 08:04.46 | Kasreyn | Dewi: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX , done. you now have bootable stick :) |
| 08:05.20 | Kasreyn | then just trick your bios into thinking your stick is a HDD |
| 08:05.20 | negge | sometimes Linux file permissions really make things complicated... |
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| 08:05.33 | Dewi | Kasreyn: right |
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| 08:05.41 | Dewi | Kasreyn: does that file change often? |
| 08:06.00 | Dewi | Kasreyn: it probably just hosts any ISO and boots it... hopefully? |
| 08:06.10 | Kasreyn | Dewi: problem is the kernel has to match the module versions or you can't load network interface and continue netinst |
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| 08:06.38 | Kasreyn | so you zcat boot.img then copy over the iso, it's the iso/boot mismatch problem |
| 08:06.43 | Dewi | Kasreyn: oh, does it contain an initrd and crap? |
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| 08:07.08 | Dewi | Kasreyn: where did you get your current boot img? |
| 08:07.28 | Kasreyn | here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 08:07.47 | Kasreyn | under "hd-media" |
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| 08:09.26 | Dewi | Kasreyn: google just brings up joeyh's ones |
| 08:09.30 | Dewi | Kasreyn: can't find any others |
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| 08:10.17 | negge | Dewi: I think I'm gonna check out ACLs instead |
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| 08:10.28 | negge | sounds like the easiest way |
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| 08:10.50 | Dewi | negge: yeah, that would be a better fit for your requirement. I have no idea how easy or hard it is to set up |
| 08:10.53 | top-f | negge: chmod 750 /home/*; chgrp homies /home/* |
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| 08:14.38 | sed` | can Squid act as a decent apt package proxy? |
| 08:15.14 | sed` | my network contains both ubuntu & debian boxes so I'd have to run multiple instances of apt-cacher. so i figured, why not squid? |
| 08:15.45 | negge | top-f: yes of course, but how do I get the same effect automatically when creating a new user? |
| 08:16.01 | jacekowski | sed`: no |
| 08:16.01 | negge | of course I could add some script here and there but... |
| 08:16.14 | jacekowski | sed`: you would have to set up maximum size of cached object quite high |
| 08:16.27 | jacekowski | sed`: and that directly relates to memory consumption |
| 08:16.52 | sed` | jacekowski: can't Squid stream files directly from the file system? |
| 08:17.02 | jacekowski | no |
| 08:17.05 | jacekowski | it goes into memory |
| 08:17.05 | top-f | negge: ...but ACLs are way more cool than a script here and there |
| 08:17.09 | jacekowski | and then it's flushed to hdd |
| 08:17.42 | jacekowski | sed`: do it differently |
| 08:17.43 | sed` | hmm too bad. what would you recommend for caching both debian and ubuntu packages? |
| 08:18.12 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 08:18.16 | sed` | surely there must be some HTTP proxy that's capable of streaming large files directly from its drive |
| 08:18.17 | jacekowski | that makes it little bit more trickier |
| 08:18.19 | jacekowski | but still possible |
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| 08:18.28 | jacekowski | sed`: no, there isn't |
| 08:18.35 | jacekowski | sed`: all proxies run in ram |
| 08:18.57 | jacekowski | as primary place to store data |
| 08:19.06 | jacekowski | sed`: 64 bit system? |
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| 08:19.30 | Jippi_moc | What's the best way to cherry pick a package from squeeze in debian (lenny) ? I would like to install the 1.4 branch of munin |
| 08:19.34 | sed` | jacekowski: yes. it makes me wonder why Ubuntu ships a preconfigured Squid, specifically made for package caching though. "squid-deb-proxy". |
| 08:19.54 | jacekowski | it's not working |
| 08:21.14 | jacekowski | varnish |
| 08:21.15 | sed` | how is it not working? |
| 08:21.59 | Tridon343 | how many times did you guys had to reinstall as you a newcomer to debian? |
| 08:23.01 | cahoot | Tridon343: my guess is you'll get answers varying from 0 to 50 |
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| 08:23.45 | Tridon343 | well... that means i got approx 47 ztimes to go o.O |
| 08:23.47 | tbsaunde | !tell Jippi_moc about bpo |
| 08:24.00 | Jippi_moc | its not in backports |
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| 08:24.10 | Jippi_moc | the latest stable that is |
| 08:24.20 | sed` | Tridon343: 0 although i've been using various distros for about 6 years before trying Debian |
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| 08:25.06 | top-f | Jippi_moc: the best way whould then be learn how to do whatever it is the backports people are doing |
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| 08:25.34 | Tridon343 | and what did you make stick with debian? |
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| 08:25.53 | dsfwea23 | Jippi_moc, I asked that question a while ago, didn't get an answer. Just going to try squeeze as it has what I need. |
| 08:26.16 | Jippi_moc | I won't just blindly upgrade all my servers to squeeze :P |
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| 08:27.02 | sed` | Tridon343: large selection of packages, quick package manager, relatively good documentation |
| 08:28.55 | negge | top-f: was that sarcasm? |
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| 08:30.00 | Tridon343 | which instant messenger do you use? |
| 08:30.30 | sed` | bitlbee |
| 08:31.39 | dsfwea23 | "cat /dev/urandom | nc" but then again, I people usually don't listen to me anyway. :) |
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| 08:32.52 | simonrvn | /dev/zero gets boring for you i guess ;p |
| 08:34.00 | top-f | negge: i looked the term up on wikipedia. you got me. btw, i know nothing about ACLs |
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| 08:36.35 | Tridon343 | does anyone know why the pidgin client in debian has no support for the msn-protocol? |
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| 08:36.47 | simonrvn | it does |
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| 08:38.32 | cahoot | don't they modify the msn protocol monthly or so? |
| 08:38.45 | themill | Tridon343: you probably need the lenny-backports version rather than the lenny version |
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| 08:39.00 | Tridon343 | AIM Bonjour Gadu-Gadu Google-Talk Group-wise ICQ IRC MySpaceIM QQ Sametime XMPP Zephyr ... but no option for MSN or Windows live |
| 08:39.21 | themill | !pidgin |
| 08:39.21 | dpkg | Pidgin (formerly GAIM) is a graphical cross-platform multi-protocol instant messaging client. Backported packages are available for Lenny, ask me about <bpo>. MSN support is broken and disabled in Lenny's v2.4.3 package (BTS #559982, DSA-2038-1), use a backport. FAQ: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ . http://www.pidgin.im/ #pidgin on irc.freenode.net. See also <pidgin yahoo>, <pidgin icq>, <pidgin bpo>, <finch>. |
| 08:39.30 | simonrvn | msn in pidgin |
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| 08:42.24 | cristi8 | hmm, i get this bug on lenny http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545825 |
| 08:42.40 | cristi8 | i mean gnome-keybinding-properties will not start (gives segfault) |
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| 08:43.13 | cristi8 | anyone can help me start it? |
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| 08:45.23 | liable | if its segfaulting, you have to wait for it to be fixed |
| 08:46.14 | cristi8 | i'm guessing it was not broken in the fresh install of lenny.. or was it? |
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| 08:46.39 | cristi8 | can anyone with lenny start it? |
| 08:47.04 | liable | seeing as that bug is from sept 2009, i would say it was |
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| 08:47.31 | st_iron | hello |
| 08:47.40 | harpal | from which package I get color on console? |
| 08:47.51 | st_iron | i want to make an openvpn server with auth-ldap plugin on lenny |
| 08:48.14 | st_iron | i installed the openvpn, generated the server certificates and the service is running |
| 08:48.36 | st_iron | downloaded the openvpn-auth-ldap plugin but how can i use this? |
| 08:48.46 | st_iron | i guess i have to compile it |
| 08:48.56 | st_iron | can anyone help me in this case? |
| 08:50.12 | cristi8 | liable: that bug was for version 1:2.26.0-1 of gnome-control-center. i have 1:2.22.2.1-2 |
| 08:50.29 | tarzeau_ | harpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code ? |
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| 08:51.45 | liable | cristi8: looks like its a library causing it |
| 08:51.46 | Tridon343 | can anyone tell me the name of the pidgin-backport-package? |
| 08:52.14 | niklaswe | 2/win14 |
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| 08:52.25 | pycknz | whats the command which display traffic ? |
| 08:52.34 | liable | netstat? |
| 08:52.46 | niklaswe | or tcpdump? |
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| 08:52.52 | tarzeau_ | iftop? iptraf? |
| 08:52.56 | liable | extremely vague question.. |
| 08:53.33 | pycknz | traffic which was transfered |
| 08:54.03 | liable | the actual traffic data, or the services that are sending it? |
| 08:54.36 | pycknz | actual |
| 08:54.37 | themill | dpkg: tell Tridon343 about bpo |
| 08:54.43 | pycknz | liable: or both :D |
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| 08:55.01 | Tridon343 | !bpo |
| 08:55.01 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 08:55.02 | liable | pycknz: tcpdump or wireshark |
| 08:55.24 | pycknz | liable: tcpdump with prefixes please |
| 08:55.39 | liable | um, google |
| 08:55.41 | themill | Tridon343: dpkg already told you that in a /msg |
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| 08:56.40 | petrol-x | exit |
| 08:57.15 | pycknz | liable: please... |
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| 08:57.46 | zitter | hi, putting a script inside /etc/cron.hourly/ dir it will be executed automagically every hour? or is it a fake? :) |
| 08:57.58 | liable | pycknz: tcpdump is something i use rarely, i dont have that info in my brain |
| 08:59.10 | cahoot | zitter: why do you ask if it's fake? |
| 08:59.17 | themill | zitter: there are rules about the filenames you use, however. |
| 08:59.41 | zitter | cahoot, joking :) themill: which rules? |
| 09:00.06 | themill | man run-parts |
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| 09:01.37 | Tridon343 | okay.... I searched on backports.org and found pidgin 2.7..... but i have absolutely no clue what name this package will have when I want to install is via apt-get install I already registered backports as a software source |
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| 09:02.13 | themill | Tridon343: please read the instructions... |
| 09:02.48 | themill | the packages don't change names just because they are a different versino |
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| 09:12.40 | Nai-ux | i just installed squeeze for the first time and ran apt-get install xorg, now it has a screen "Configuring libc6" is this normal? or did i put a wrong source in my sources.list ? |
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| 09:13.26 | Nai-ux | ...org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 09:16.08 | rozie | Nai-ux: nothing unusual |
| 09:16.25 | quhan | hello, how to get the package: linux-kbuild-2.6.35 |
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| 09:17.00 | Nai-ux | rozie, the ncurses libc screen says "Runnning services and programs that are using NSS need to be restarted, otherwise..." and cron is listed in the text input field |
| 09:17.10 | quhan | is there someone know how to get the package: linux-kbuild-2.6.35 |
| 09:17.22 | quhan | or create it? |
| 09:17.35 | Nai-ux | quhan, did you search with "apt-cache search kbuild" ? |
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| 09:17.46 | quhan | yes |
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| 09:18.04 | quhan | Nai-ux, the newest is 2.6.34 |
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| 09:18.08 | Nai-ux | quhan, i had that problem yesterday because i had a weird custom kernel/dist , i found the file on the installation cdrom along with the kernel headers |
| 09:18.23 | dekar | hey guys I just installed squeeze and have problems to get my locales/language settings right |
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| 09:18.54 | dekar | I am german but using an english system usually - though I want german locales and keymap |
| 09:18.58 | rozie | Nai-ux: so restart it. |
| 09:19.04 | rozie | <sigh> |
| 09:19.09 | Nai-ux | rozie, ok thanks just checking i didn't mess up the system |
| 09:19.34 | quhan | Nai-ux, yes. linux-kbuild-2.6.* is for linux-header-2.6.* |
| 09:19.38 | rozie | it's pretty hard to mess up Debian when choosing default answer |
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| 09:20.05 | dekar | http://pastebin.com/yZFfST3M |
| 09:20.14 | quhan | Nai-ux, but there is only linux-header-2.6.35 without linux-kbuild-2.6.* now |
| 09:20.16 | quhan | in source |
| 09:20.31 | dekar | it tells me my language wouldn't be compatible with the locale |
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| 09:21.04 | Nai-ux | quhan, im not sure sory. |
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| 09:21.53 | Nai-ux | i found it on the installation cdrom, i couldn't find my version of kbuild it anywhere else |
| 09:22.05 | jelly | !tell quhan -about linux-kbuild-2.6 |
| 09:22.12 | jelly | !tell quhan -about experimental |
| 09:23.26 | Nai-ux | rozie, my X is working at full rez now after much trouble. thank you for being a part of my fix |
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| 09:25.10 | thewanderer1 | Hi. I need to run dnsmasq DHCP server on VLAN interfaces. How? |
| 09:25.41 | quhan | jelly, do you mean that I could use this method to create the linux-kbuild-2.6.35? |
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| 09:26.08 | jelly | quhan: exactly |
| 09:27.41 | quhan | jelly, thank you!! |
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| 09:36.07 | sed` | jacekowski: just in case you're curious: apt-cacher-ng does just what i asked for. it caches both debian & ubuntu repositories with zero configuration, acting as a forwarding HTTP proxy. just like varnish, it uses mmap instead of "knowing better than the kernel" as squid does |
| 09:36.53 | sed` | (install apt-cacher-ng, set http proxy in client apt, done) |
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| 09:39.37 | jacekowski | sed`: probably, myself i had one repository to deal with and varnish did the job for me |
| 09:40.19 | sed` | jacekowski: varnish requires the user to set the proxy in sources.list, if i'm not mistaken |
| 09:40.47 | sed` | according to their FAQ, running varnish as a forward proxy requires some serious configuration work. too bad. it looks great as a reverse proxy tho. |
| 09:41.58 | metalfoo | It's a great reverse proxy. You don't want it as forward proxy though. |
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| 09:42.17 | sed` | in any case, apt-cacher-ng is perfect for a quick & dirty package cache in a LAN with only a small number of machines :) |
| 09:43.28 | sed` | apt-cacher just used about 2 MB of resident memory during an apt-get upgrade with about 300 MB of debs |
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| 09:44.46 | sed` | can I tell apt-get to download the .debs for all currently installed packages? |
| 09:44.58 | sed` | that way, the next installation will be quite fast |
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| 09:48.07 | streuner | dpkg, listvals selections |
| 09:48.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'selections' by value (14): debian clone ;; very fubar status file ;; reinstall ;; preseed ;; userlinux ;; debconf-set-selections ;; be thomas_adam ;; xclip ;; unhold ;; package reselect ;; list all packages ;; dselect oopsie ;; hold ;; memtest. |
| 09:48.36 | sed` | dpkg -l |grep '^ii' |awk '{print $2}' |while read PACKAGE; do apt-get --yes --reinstall --download-only install ${PACKAGE}; done |
| 09:48.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep '^ii' |awk '{print $2}' |while read PACKAGE; do apt-get --yes --reinstall --download-only install ${PACKAGE}; done |
| 09:48.38 | sed` | seems to work |
| 09:48.48 | streuner | dpkg, debian clone |
| 09:48.48 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
| 09:48.59 | ov3rmind | good morning sll #! |
| 09:49.10 | sed` | streuner: cool, thanks. |
| 09:49.58 | streuner | np |
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| 09:50.54 | project2501a | good morning |
| 09:51.41 | project2501a | question: after you keep an installation for 2-3 years, you end up with an accumulation of packages, which may or may not be needed. is there a way to compare your packages installed with the base packages of the installation? |
| 09:52.07 | project2501a | or to compare the packages you got vs packages from previous versions of a single application? |
| 09:52.38 | project2501a | for example, debian moved on from the dhcpd3 server to (rightfuly) as isc-dhcp-server |
| 09:52.41 | harpal | how to know that which files are there in a package? |
| 09:52.58 | lukosanthropos | Hi guys sorry for the noob question but how do you find the space remaining on a partition from command line |
| 09:53.19 | streuner | df |
| 09:53.21 | project2501a | i am sorry i did not pose that question correctly. i meant, packages which were/are depended on a package. |
| 09:53.29 | harpal | lukosanthropos: df -h |
| 09:53.33 | lukosanthropos | ta |
| 09:53.46 | project2501a | lukosanthropos: diabase to "learning the unix operating system" |
| 09:54.01 | project2501a | oh. you are not greek. |
| 09:54.11 | sed` | lukosanthropos: prettier: pydf |
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| 09:54.57 | project2501a | in my days, we did not have python :P |
| 09:55.00 | quhan | jelly, do you know how to fix this: "dpkg-source: info: use the '3.0 (quilt)' format to have separate and documented changes to upstream files, see dpkg-source(1)", when I built the linux-kbuild-2.6.35 package |
| 09:55.10 | Innocentus | hi all :) |
| 09:55.24 | project2501a | ok, need to reboot. i will pose the question again, later |
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| 09:55.49 | Innocentus | I want to log into a website, do some actions and then I want to log out again. |
| 09:55.52 | jelly | quhan: it seems to be an informational message. Did the package build or not? |
| 09:56.00 | quhan | not build |
| 09:56.04 | Innocentus | Because it can need some time I want to write it as an own program |
| 09:56.06 | quhan | jelly: not build |
| 09:56.09 | Innocentus | what language would be the best? |
| 09:56.23 | Innocentus | c/c++/phyton/perl/php (not so good for this purpose) |
| 09:56.48 | jelly | quhan: I have no idea |
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| 10:02.04 | thewanderer1 | hey, what does "total encap on xmit" mean in /proc/vlan/eth* ? |
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| 10:05.38 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 10:06.26 | ShapeShifter499 | I just kill my sound trying to make headphone detection work and I have no clue how to bring it back |
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| 10:07.17 | cahoot | try alsa forc-reload |
| 10:07.20 | cahoot | force |
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| 10:08.00 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot "alsa: command not found" O.o |
| 10:08.05 | liable | whats the name of the pdf reader that starts with k? |
| 10:08.28 | thewanderer1 | kpdf |
| 10:08.42 | liable | nope |
| 10:10.08 | jelly | yes. |
| 10:10.14 | harpal | how to download just deb packages and its dependencies? |
| 10:10.22 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot wait, I added sudo to the beginning and it said "Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload)" now what? |
| 10:10.55 | harpal | !alsa |
| 10:10.56 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:11.12 | liable | alright, name me some pdf viewers |
| 10:11.14 | cahoot | try modprobe snd-hda-intel and then alsa force-reload |
| 10:11.17 | liable | i forget the one i liked |
| 10:11.50 | karme | liable: aptitude search '?and(?tag(pdf),?tag(suite::kde))' |
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| 10:12.27 | liable | that did nothing |
| 10:12.55 | karme | liable: debtags not installed? |
| 10:13.13 | alexidoia | hi there I am in a dead end. My /dev/sda1 is full, I know this is where /var is but du -h in /var return about 2G and /dev/sda1 is 5G, so they must be something else there, how can I know what is on /dev/sda1 ? |
| 10:13.27 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, this doesn't look good---> http://pastebin.com/hmjPg7rE |
| 10:13.39 | liable | prolly not |
| 10:13.42 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, my card needs intel drivers |
| 10:14.19 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, er thats according to the internet |
| 10:14.27 | karme | liable: maybe you search for okular |
| 10:14.31 | alexidoia | any one ? |
| 10:15.24 | cahoot | ShapeShifter499: installed OSS4 at some point? |
| 10:15.33 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, no |
| 10:16.09 | dsfwea23 | tried to install squeeze, got error "Select and install software", I picked graphical desktop and the last option, not sure what it was (SSH maybe?) |
| 10:16.25 | cahoot | ShapeShifter499: someone seems to have deleted/removed your alsamodules |
| 10:16.41 | liable | karme: it was okular i was thinking of :) |
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| 10:16.52 | liable | it appears to be broken atm |
| 10:17.01 | liable | as with xpdf |
| 10:17.02 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, o.o |
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| 10:17.15 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, I didn't do anything, wtf |
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| 10:17.24 | thewanderer1 | liable: okular |
| 10:17.25 | liable | some pdf libs got removed last update, now i have to chase that up |
| 10:17.29 | dsfwea23 | how I can see what part of "select and install software" failed? |
| 10:17.40 | thewanderer1 | oh ok |
| 10:17.48 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, how do I get those back |
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| 10:17.51 | thewanderer1 | liable: so it did in fact have a lot of "K" in it |
| 10:18.06 | cahoot | ShapeShifter499: simplest would be to reinstall the kernel |
| 10:18.15 | ShapeShifter499 | oh |
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| 10:20.54 | patrakov | hello. I have some questions about installing and packaging python modules |
| 10:21.45 | patrakov | in Makefile.am, I have: |
| 10:21.49 | patrakov | idecodir = ${pythondir}/ideco |
| 10:22.09 | patrakov | ideco_PYTHON = ideco/__init__.py ideco/querylog.py |
| 10:23.24 | patrakov | then automake-generated Makefile installs these modules into /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ideco/ |
| 10:23.34 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, woot everything is cool again thanks for the help |
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| 10:24.41 | patrakov | how do I call various debhelper programs in debian/rules to move these python modules to a place that complies with the Debian python policy? |
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| 10:26.05 | ndrdusr | (AndroUser2) hi, i'm at debian installation, disk partitioning. i have a windows partition and a partition for debian. i want the debian partition setup just like when doing full disk encryption with LVM. i fcreated the partition and chose to use it as physical volume for encryption, now what? "configure encrypted volumes" and then add lvm? |
| 10:26.54 | dsfwea23 | maybe the error was because I picked ext4? Does it work ok on squeeze? |
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| 10:27.01 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 10:27.05 | alexidoia | morning |
| 10:27.14 | dsfwea23 | evening |
| 10:27.32 | alexidoia | does anyone know how to know what volume is mounted on /dev/sda1 for eg |
| 10:27.35 | AlexC_ | when setting up SFTP chroot, the default Debian config has "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" however all guides I've seen say to use "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp" - is tehre a difference? |
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| 10:27.57 | thewanderer1 | dsfwea23: if you're in the installer, press Alt+F4 so that you switch to vty4 and see the log |
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| 10:29.09 | alexidoia | is there no command line to see what is on /dev/sda1 or does noboby know ? |
| 10:29.27 | thewanderer1 | alexidoia: your question was invalid, rephrase |
| 10:29.35 | dsfwea23 | thewanderer1, I checked that, seemed it complained about locale en_GB.UTF-8 or something not found. :) Just trying again :-/ |
| 10:29.35 | greenmang0 | !/lib/klibc--B4v86TX83fVWXDRRaNKAWhwPFGQ.so |
| 10:29.52 | thewanderer1 | alexidoia: if you call `mount` without arguments, it will tell you what is mounted and where |
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| 10:30.04 | alexidoia | thewanderer1: ok my mistake |
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| 10:30.44 | greenmang0 | there file on all my debian servers called /lib/klibc-B4v86TX83fVWXDRRaNKAWhwPFGQ.so ... why such a weird name is given to this file? |
| 10:31.21 | greenmang0 | it belongs to libklibc package |
| 10:31.32 | BlueChip | Hi - is there a recommended (idiot-proof) guide to setting up a WPA WiFi network under debian ? |
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| 10:31.50 | slysir | lit |
| 10:31.50 | greenmang0 | !libklibc |
| 10:33.02 | ndrdusr | i'm installing squeeze, i've encrypted the partition and want to use LVM, can someone guide me through it? i want the same settings as used by the installer when doing guided partitioning using whole disk. i'm at LVM config, which volume groups do i create? |
| 10:33.49 | patrakov | BlueChip: depends on your exact intention - is it a software access point, a desktop connecting to an existing access point, or a server that for some reason connects to the internet wirelessly |
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| 10:34.28 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, WOOT! debian is now officially better in my book for hardware support :D |
| 10:34.58 | BlueChip | patrakov: it's a home media centre connecting to an existing network - it will likely have a couple of services installed on it later |
| 10:35.31 | thewanderer1 | BlueChip: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 10:36.17 | BlueChip | thewanderer1: I have had no luck with this (or many other) guides :/ |
| 10:36.32 | patrakov | BlueChip: that's because you followed the wrong section |
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| 10:36.46 | thewanderer1 | BlueChip: just use wpa_supplicant and set a network |
| 10:37.14 | BlueChip | I wish it were as simple as "just do it" :( ...I've been through 5 guides over the last few days |
| 10:37.15 | thewanderer1 | BlueChip: I used to use wpa_supplicant in roaming mode + a static, single entry in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and it worked for me for connecting at home |
| 10:37.18 | patrakov | BlueChip: yes, but you may want to uninstall NetworkManager and wicd before doing that, so that they don't interfere |
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| 10:37.55 | BlueChip | I've tried via gnome - I wont repeat what I think of gnome now ....I'm now determined to get it going at the prompt |
| 10:38.41 | BlueChip | patrakov: I would have to install network-manager and wicd before I could uninstall them - is that what you mean - does install/remove leave something helpful? |
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| 10:38.48 | patrakov | no |
| 10:39.00 | BlueChip | not sure how I can remove them then ?? |
| 10:39.20 | patrakov | you just do nothing then :) |
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| 10:39.28 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 10:39.57 | patrakov | let's first see if your wireless card is recognized by the kernel at all |
| 10:40.09 | cristi8 | hmm, i really need to set some key bindings in lenny's gnome, how can i do that? |
| 10:40.11 | patrakov | i.e., does it appear in the iwconfig output |
| 10:41.11 | BlueChip | I have managed to get around the bug that stopped my network card from even intialising ...now `iwlist scan` shows my network - I just can't establish a connection to it |
| 10:41.13 | cristi8 | gnome-keybinding-properties gets segfault |
| 10:41.58 | patrakov | BlueChip: then just follow the steps outlined in the "WPA-PSK and WPA2-PSK" section of the wiki (you'll need to install wpa-supplicant) |
| 10:42.12 | BlueChip | wpa_supplicant is installed |
| 10:42.28 | BlueChip | .conf file is created ...interface file is patched |
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| 10:42.50 | BlueChip | s/ce/ces/ |
| 10:42.56 | patrakov | BlueChip: ifdown wlan0 ; sleep1 ; ifup wlan0 ; sleep 10 ; ifconfig wlan0 |
| 10:43.55 | BlueChip | DHCPDISCOVER just starts backing off |
| 10:44.20 | patrakov | so you have a problem with association |
| 10:44.25 | BlueChip | yes |
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| 10:44.57 | patrakov | ps axww | grep wpa_supplicant |
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| 10:45.22 | patrakov | this will hint you at the location of the file where debian saved the configuration for wpa_supplicant |
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| 10:45.42 | patrakov | paste that whole file (minus the password) to pastebin.ca |
| 10:45.54 | BlueChip | yeah, I created it in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 10:46.34 | patrakov | BlueChip: and here is your mistake :) debian will create it automatically for you based on the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:47.11 | greenmang0 | jelly: there's file on all our debian servers called /lib/klibc-B4v86TX83fVWXDRRaNKAWhwPFGQ.so ... why such a weird name is given to this file? |
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| 10:47.41 | BlueChip | http://pastebin.ca/1916322 |
| 10:48.07 | BlueChip | this is the most recent incarnation of the file - some bits commented out - key & ssid obfuscated |
| 10:48.13 | AlexC_ | when using internal-sftp with SSH to chroot SFTP - is there a way upon connection to change the working directory to their home directory? Currently the chroot is setup for /home - when they login that is where they go |
| 10:48.17 | BlueChip | the network was hidden when the scan was done |
| 10:48.41 | AlexC_ | the only way I have found how to do is, is the change users home directoris to '/foobar' instead of '/home/foobar' (but still have their physical directory in /home/foobar). This is very messy though |
| 10:49.06 | cahoot | BlueChip: quote the key? |
| 10:49.08 | patrakov | greenmang0: different versions (and even rebuilds!) of klibc are binary incompatible, that's why the author puts a hash of the library in the filename |
| 10:49.27 | BlueChip | cahoot - which one? |
| 10:49.46 | BlueChip | "wrap the hex string in quotes"?? |
| 10:49.47 | patrakov | psk=aaaa => psk="aaa" |
| 10:50.09 | greenmang0 | patrakov: ok, thanks |
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| 10:50.15 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.23 | cast | question, can for i in /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan; do echo '- - -' > $i; done |
| 10:50.36 | cast | every have a unexpected negative effects? |
| 10:50.40 | greenmang0 | patrakov: that name made me suspicious, i was about to delte it :) |
| 10:50.49 | cahoot | BlueChip: nm if it's a hex |
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| 10:50.49 | greenmang0 | delete* |
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| 10:51.19 | cast | i'm wondering about the general safeness of doing these scans, |
| 10:51.59 | patrakov | BlueChip: are you 100% sure that it is indeed the file that is automatically generated and given to wpa_supplicant? |
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| 10:55.53 | BlueChip | patrakov: that file was NOT automatically generated |
| 10:56.16 | patrakov | BlueChip: then it is the wrong file |
| 10:56.26 | patrakov | i.e. editing it won't help |
| 10:56.32 | frikinz | use wpa_passphrase to generate the psk then put it in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 10:56.35 | BlueChip | how would I autogen a replacement? |
| 10:56.52 | frikinz | no need to have any wpa_supplicant conf file |
| 10:57.19 | BlueChip | Lines 22 & 23 were generated using that method |
| 10:57.21 | frikinz | and remove network-manager to not conflict |
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| 10:57.28 | BlueChip | ....then padded and padded in the hope of making it work |
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| 10:57.53 | BlueChip | network-manager and wicd remain not-installed on this machine |
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| 10:58.29 | frikinz | padding? why? wpa_passphrase should give a psk of 64 chars |
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| 10:58.53 | BlueChip | "padding" as in "keep adding more and more options to the file in the hope of making it work" |
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| 10:59.58 | frikinz | that's my interfaces file http://pastebin.com/xhHqcLp3 |
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| 11:00.37 | BlueChip | so I should do this in the interfaces file AND wupplicant file? |
| 11:00.37 | frikinz | replace the two values by what is given by wpa_passphrase |
| 11:00.51 | frikinz | nothing in wpa_supplicant file |
| 11:00.59 | AlexC_ | is there a way that when a user logs in via SFTP, I can execute a command such as 'cd /user'? |
| 11:01.10 | patrakov | BlueChip: I was wrong, there is no autogenerated configuration file. The debian bootscripts interact with wpa_supplicant via the wpa_cli program, see /etc/network/if-up.d/wpasupplicant and /etc/wpa_supplicant/functions.sh (namely, the conf_wpa_supplicant() function) |
| 11:01.39 | frikinz | BlueChip, I have action_wpa.sh, functions.sh and ifupdown.sh in /etc/wpa_supplicant. in other words, nothing |
| 11:01.42 | AlexC_ | the problem is, when using 'ChrootDirectory /home' logging in results in going to /home - when I want them to go straight to their home directory, not /home |
| 11:01.45 | patrakov | BlueChip: the conf file is not supposed to be used, you may want to move it out of the way |
| 11:01.51 | BlueChip | so I should NOT use wpa_supplicant ...there is no autogen file ...and I SHOULD do this via interfaces file ?? |
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| 11:02.03 | frikinz | yes, it's damned easy |
| 11:02.05 | patrakov | BlueChip: slow down |
| 11:02.20 | BlueChip | I seem to have two people contradicting each other (much akin to the many urls I have read) :( |
| 11:02.24 | ndrdusr | installing squeeze, already have a windows 7 partition. got this error message during grub config: "unable to install GRUB in (hd0) Exexuting 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error." now what? go back / continue? |
| 11:02.24 | frikinz | BlueChip, but leave wpa_supplicant installed! |
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| 11:03.10 | patrakov | BlueChip: you are supposed to leave wpa_supplicant installed. If you want to run it manually, you need the config file. if you want to run it from bootscripts, you don't want to have a config file |
| 11:03.28 | ndrdusr | i'm using ext4, could that be the problem? |
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| 11:05.16 | BlueChip | dammit - I'm gonna get dragged out in a bit >:( ...I fear I may have to come back a'beggin later |
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| 11:06.17 | ndrdusr2 | sorry if anyone replied. lost connection. writing from the phone. |
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| 11:09.08 | BlueChip | I have wpa_supplicant installed; I do NOT have net-manager or wicd installed; ...do I need an entry in my interfaces file? ...do I need a supplicant file with network={,...} in it ? |
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| 11:10.32 | frikinz | BlueChip, please scroll up and re-read what I said. |
| 11:10.39 | ndrdusr | whats the next step when grub wont install on mbr? |
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| 11:11.21 | AlexC_ | is it possible to execute a command upon SFTP connection, to change their directory? |
| 11:12.17 | patrakov | BlueChip: depends. For the debian way, an entry in the interfaces file is needed, and the supplicant config file is harmful |
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| 11:13.24 | patrakov | For the manual way and/or debugging, a supplicant config file in the non-default location (e.g., in /root/wpa-supplicant.conf) would help |
| 11:13.36 | BlueChip | So I need to erase the supplicant file and kill the program that is using it |
| 11:13.51 | BlueChip | (as per above ps|grep) |
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| 11:14.04 | patrakov | BlueChip: yes |
| 11:14.24 | BlueChip | ls |
| 11:14.27 | BlueChip | oops |
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| 11:15.04 | patrakov | after that, ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 and it should just work |
| 11:15.13 | BlueChip | is there a clean way to kill wpa_supplicant or shall I just `kill <pid>` it? |
| 11:15.23 | patrakov | just kill it uncleanly |
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| 11:16.36 | jlebrech | how do i get git to save the passphrases for my keys? |
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| 11:17.12 | BlueChip | OK ...wpa_supp killed ...but left as installed |
| 11:17.16 | patrakov | jlebrech: are you sure you want git to save them? do you mean ssh keys? |
| 11:17.29 | patrakov | BlueChip: absolutely right |
| 11:17.37 | BlueChip | Now I will patch my interfaces to look like http://pastebin.com/xhHqcLp3 |
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| 11:18.16 | patrakov | right. and then the "ifup wlan0" command will start wpa_supplicant correctly |
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| 11:18.39 | frikinz | BlueChip, yes, it's the minimum. You might later forbid TKIP but that's another story :) |
| 11:18.43 | BlueChip | Can this system deal with hidden SSIDs? |
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| 11:19.09 | jlebrech | patrakov:yeah git saves to keys, but it'll ask me for the passphrace everytime even if i asked only once when i log in would be nice |
| 11:19.17 | patrakov | BlueChip: not sure, there may be a parameter like wpa-scan-ssid that you have to add |
| 11:19.34 | BlueChip | OK - screw that - for now, I'll broadcast my SSID |
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| 11:20.18 | frikinz | BlueChip, why didn't you try first with hidden SSID? |
| 11:20.47 | BlueChip | Cos nobody said "yes it works well" instead they said "not sure - maybe - might be options" |
| 11:21.33 | patrakov | BlueChip: for hidden ssid, you need two options: wpa-ap-scan 1 and wpa-scan-ssid 1 |
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| 11:22.04 | AlexC_ | is it possible to execute a command upon SFTP connection, to change their directory? |
| 11:22.16 | frikinz | hiding SSID is useless |
| 11:22.26 | BlueChip | patrakov: noted - if this works will try hiding it again |
| 11:23.11 | BlueChip | Yes, indeed, the moment you sniff someone associating to it you can grep the SSID |
| 11:23.11 | frikinz | http://www.library.cornell.edu/dlit/ds/links/cit/redrover/ssid/wp_ssid_hiding.pdf |
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| 11:23.42 | BlueChip | check out remote-exploit.org for good reading (and backtrack) |
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| 11:25.26 | BlueChip | ifconfig |
| 11:25.30 | BlueChip | oops |
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| 11:26.23 | BlueChip | <crying> ....I'm sure I could feel more stupid if I tried ...it has worked ! ....Thank you for your patience ...now will try to get it going with Hidden SSID |
| 11:26.45 | BlueChip | the biggest advantage of Hidden SSID is that is screws over Windows and Android devices |
| 11:28.22 | cast | internet access, also screws over windows devices |
| 11:28.31 | BlueChip | lol :) |
| 11:28.50 | frikinz | BlueChip, having a strong passphrase and using AES rather than TKIP is probably better |
| 11:29.03 | frikinz | http://blog.zoller.lu/2008/11/wpa-cracked-not-really.html |
| 11:29.22 | cast | TKIP is a bit of a joke, should disable it complete and only use AES-CCMP |
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| 11:30.01 | frikinz | yes but some devices do not support it or do not support mix of tkip and ccmp |
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| 11:30.42 | BlueChip | Have a strong passphrase; hide ssid; filter by mac; have power turned down as low as possible/reasonable; moved everything to weird port numbers; etc |
| 11:30.56 | BlueChip | the best protection I ever put in place was moving the port numbers |
| 11:31.10 | harpal | how to download deb package with its dependencies using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 11:31.13 | BlueChip | went from THOUSANDS of hack attempts per day to ZERO in the last two years |
| 11:31.36 | BlueChip | harpal: apt-get install <packagename> |
| 11:31.49 | BlueChip | all packages will be in /var/cache/apt |
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| 11:32.07 | themill | harpal: /msg dpkg apt-zip ; /msg dpkg cross-post |
| 11:32.11 | patrakov | BlueChip: on my servers, I just ignore ssh password hack attempts because I know they won't succeed (only keys are allowed, no passwords) |
| 11:32.11 | harpal | BlueChip: I want to just download that |
| 11:32.21 | frikinz | apt-get -d |
| 11:33.18 | BlueChip | apt-get --help -> -d Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives |
| 11:33.25 | BlueChip | :) |
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| 11:35.19 | harpal | BlueChip: but that download only single package, not its dependencies |
| 11:35.34 | BlueChip | hmm - bugger |
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| 11:36.19 | patrakov | harpal: apt-get install apt-zip |
| 11:36.23 | patrakov | man apt-zip |
| 11:37.16 | frikinz | I'm using /etc/email-addresses for outgoing emails but it only changes the email, not the identity (not sure if this is called like this). The name next to the email adress. Is there something already existing? |
| 11:37.32 | frikinz | for exim4 |
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| 11:38.16 | BlueChip | sorry - emergency - must run |
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| 11:51.44 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:52.44 | ZNC-Titan | So i tried "apt-get install vlc" but it returns some errors and now i cant use epiphany. :( |
| 11:53.05 | cast | paste your sources.list |
| 11:53.12 | ZNC-Titan | I cant. :/ |
| 11:53.22 | ZNC-Titan | No browser |
| 11:53.35 | jpinx-eeepc | use pastbinit |
| 11:53.36 | at0m | \o/ bought new 2TB hd, which isn't recognised by PCI2SATA card, only when i connect it over ext. USB2SATA |
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| 11:54.01 | ZNC-Titan | I cant get on to pastebin without epiphany. :P |
| 11:54.15 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: use pastebinit |
| 11:54.24 | jpinx-eeepc | !pastebint |
| 11:54.24 | andrew_gowa | http://tinyurl.com/239a2ck |
| 11:54.25 | ZNC-Titan | Huh? |
| 11:54.31 | jpinx-eeepc | !pastebinit |
| 11:54.31 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728). |
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| 11:54.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: ↑↑↑ |
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| 11:54.46 | ZNC-Titan | Ah |
| 11:55.07 | at0m | anyone know weither getting another PCI2SATA card/chip would fix that ↑↑? running 32bit testing |
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| 11:56.03 | at0m | the mobo doesnt have any SATA, so I need to use bridges =\ |
| 11:56.37 | ZNC-Titan | I will have to get a bunch of updates. :/ |
| 11:56.48 | ZNC-Titan | Lets see if i get an error |
| 11:57.01 | ZNC-Titan | ;) |
| 11:57.27 | ZNC-Titan | Wait. Could it be because i have unstable sources? |
| 11:57.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: sounds like you need aptitude update and full-upgrade ;) |
| 11:57.53 | abrotman | sounds like he shouldn't be using unstable |
| 11:57.59 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: doh - yes |
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| 11:58.17 | ZNC-Titan | Ah ok. Well im kinda new. :( |
| 11:58.46 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: new != able to use testing ;) |
| 11:59.00 | ZNC-Titan | Ah |
| 11:59.05 | ZNC-Titan | :D |
| 11:59.32 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: when did you install debian? |
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| 11:59.52 | ZNC-Titan | 3days ago. |
| 12:01.54 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: I seriously suggest you start again and insgtall stable aka lenny |
| 12:02.05 | jpinx-eeepc | *install |
| 12:02.13 | ZNC-Titan | But i want vlc unstable. :/ |
| 12:02.20 | jpinx-eeepc | from there you can progress to whatever level you are competent at |
| 12:02.48 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: you can backport packages you want more recent versions of |
| 12:03.11 | ZNC-Titan | How? |
| 12:03.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !backports |
| 12:03.19 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:03.27 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: ↑↑↑ |
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| 12:03.36 | ZNC-Titan | Ah |
| 12:04.02 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: trust me - debian can do it all int eh right hands, but you have to walk before you run :) |
| 12:04.22 | jpinx-eeepc | * in the ... |
| 12:04.43 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: what's your linux experience? |
| 12:04.43 | ZNC-Titan | Ah :) |
| 12:05.31 | ZNC-Titan | Newbie, i guess. But i know how to modprobe. xorg.conf, etc |
| 12:05.37 | ZNC-Titan | Aptitude |
| 12:06.07 | cast | newbies shouldn't run unstable/ |
| 12:06.31 | ZNC-Titan | Yeah i figured. :/ |
| 12:06.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: you will fine with stable - and ready to move on soon |
| 12:07.16 | cahoot | people expecting an effortless transition from win shouldn't run linux |
| 12:07.42 | ZNC-Titan | I know thst cahoot |
| 12:07.56 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: ignore that - you will be fine with stable |
| 12:08.16 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: you can damn win users out-of-hand |
| 12:08.22 | jpinx-eeepc | *can't |
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| 12:09.28 | ZNC-Titan | Ok booting cd now. ;) |
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| 12:11.12 | cahoot | jpinx-eeepc: been observing an ubuntuchannel for a couple of years and it's quite obvious that people expecting their linuxsystems to work 'as they're used to' get rather disappointed/turned off |
| 12:11.49 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: true, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt till proved wrong ;) |
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| 12:12.19 | jlebrech | is there a way to set up an ssh/git keychain in the command line? so that i dont have to type a passphrase everytime? |
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| 12:13.14 | cast | jlebrech: just set your key to have no password |
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| 12:14.39 | jlebrech | oh right ok, is there a difference between passphrase and password? |
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| 12:16.41 | ZNC-Titan | Can i install from cd rom. Then upgrade? |
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| 12:16.43 | cast | jlebrech: no. |
| 12:16.58 | ZNC-Titan | Or should i use a mirror when it asks? |
| 12:17.22 | cast | ZNC-Titan: yes and if you want |
| 12:17.55 | cast | a system that can't be upgraded is a piece of shit no one should use |
| 12:18.07 | ZNC-Titan | Very true. |
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| 12:18.37 | jlebrech | apparently ssh-agent remembers the passphrases, but I don't know how to set the up |
| 12:18.40 | ZNC-Titan | Also how come i get 15kB/s from most mirrors? |
| 12:18.52 | cast | maybe your internet sucks |
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| 12:19.07 | ZNC-Titan | My avg speed is 60 KB/s |
| 12:19.20 | ZNC-Titan | 512Kb/s |
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| 12:19.21 | BiGViC | Is there anway to get the default host file back for network? |
| 12:19.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !apt-spy |
| 12:19.39 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 12:19.45 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: ↑↑ |
| 12:19.46 | cast | BiGViC: what host file |
| 12:19.59 | BiGViC | cast: I was having internet problems and I delted all my entries under "hosts" under network settings |
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| 12:20.11 | BiGViC | thinking it would pop up default ones... :( |
| 12:20.16 | BiGViC | I'm a linux newb |
| 12:20.19 | ZNC-Titan | Thso that shoulc work. :D |
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| 12:20.49 | cast | BiGViC: are you using stable? |
| 12:20.57 | BiGViC | cast: yes lenny stable |
| 12:21.17 | dsfwea23 | does anyone know why I'm getting an error (rc=-102) in xorg using squeeze inside virtualbox-ose with virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 package installed? |
| 12:21.17 | cast | i don't know what the gui shit does |
| 12:21.31 | cast | is it ethernet you're using to connect? |
| 12:22.24 | BiGViC | cast: yes its fine now internet works fine but I deleted my hosts file which in turn doesn't let me connect to my other computers by my router |
| 12:22.28 | StucKman | I used debootstrap to populate a disk image, but it seems that I need to run the second stage (actually I'm not sure), but whe I try to run it from the host, or in chroot of the mounted image or in the image running under qemu I get: cat: /usr/share/debootstrap/suite: No such file or directory. how it is supposed to be run? |
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| 12:22.44 | cast | BiGViC: vi /etc/hosts, then? |
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| 12:23.32 | cast | StucKman: ive always gotten by with just a grub-install |
| 12:23.55 | StucKman | cast: grub? |
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| 12:24.26 | BiGViC | cast: sorry I'm a linux new what does vi do? is it a rebuild command? |
| 12:24.42 | cast | StucKman: ahh, sorry, i was thinking about something else :), when you said second stage i thought boot loader |
| 12:25.17 | iceroot | BiGViC: vi is a text-editor, you want not use vi, you want vim |
| 12:25.30 | cast | StucKman: once you've debootstraped, you need to install a kernel and setup the bootloader, /etc/fstab, and a few other things |
| 12:25.34 | StucKman | grub works, but f.i. I have no network config or a locale set up, and actually one of the steps I did was to 'dpkg --config -a' |
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| 12:25.56 | StucKman | cast: the image boots ok, I'm just concerned about the rest of the system |
| 12:26.54 | cast | StucKman: eh, so the system works. what was the problem again? |
| 12:26.58 | BiGViC | hmm I see but I don't know the default values when it worked perfect when I install the system |
| 12:27.11 | StucKman | cast: I have no network config or a locale set up |
| 12:27.23 | StucKman | do I have to provide the config 'by hand'? |
| 12:27.40 | cast | yes, its quite trivial. vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:27.43 | StucKman | I thought that was managed by debootstrap's second stage |
| 12:27.47 | cast | man interfaces |
| 12:27.48 | cast | no. |
| 12:28.07 | StucKman | ok, and how do I decide if I have to run it or not? |
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| 12:28.14 | StucKman | (the second stage, I mean...) |
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| 12:28.32 | cast | i'm not sure what this second stage you are talking about is, you run debootstrap once, it installs a base system in a directory |
| 12:28.39 | StucKman | and why it fails with 'cat: /usr/share/debootstrap/suite: No such file or directory' |
| 12:28.56 | StucKman | cast: man debootstrap, it's there |
| 12:29.29 | cast | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 12:30.14 | StucKman | ok |
| 12:30.20 | StucKman | so, yes, all by hand |
| 12:31.02 | BiGViC | so no way to get my default hosts file back huh :(? |
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| 12:31.13 | StucKman | I just whish tehre were a way to 'run' the installer as a program :) |
| 12:31.41 | cast | harden up. |
| 12:31.42 | stack | hi, how do I reinstall a package and all him config files (that maybe I removed)? |
| 12:31.50 | cast | BiGViC: normally people get it from backups |
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| 12:32.03 | cast | stack: you could do a aptitude purge, then install |
| 12:32.20 | iceroot | stack: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename && sudo apt-get install packagename |
| 12:32.23 | stack | cast: I remember that sould be a APT:: option.. |
| 12:32.31 | StucKman | cast: ok, tx |
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| 12:32.40 | BiGViC | cast: this sucks I have a perfect intall I'm going to have to reinstall because of a mistake thanks for the help :-\ |
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| 12:32.52 | stack | in order to not remove the files that exist now. |
| 12:33.03 | iceroot | stack: without the sudo, sorry though i was in #ubuntu |
| 12:33.26 | cast | iceroot: aptitude deprecated apt-get many years ago |
| 12:33.50 | iceroot | cast: tell that to the debian security maintainers which are sending mails with "use apt-get " |
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| 12:34.50 | abrotman | !tell stack about confmiss |
| 12:35.32 | stack | abrotman: thanks! is what I was looking for. |
| 12:35.50 | cast | iceroot: not quite, they say to use dpkg |
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| 12:36.09 | cast | iceroot: then later "if you are using apt-get..." |
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| 12:36.36 | ScottG | How can I use my bluetooth headset as a mic? |
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| 12:37.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | does dpkg have a factoid for why i should be using aptitude? i still dohn't see why its preferred |
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| 12:37.40 | ScottG | Kamping_Kaiser: More powerful I believe. |
| 12:38.45 | stack | mhhh I can' t figure out why dbus-monitor --system or --session doesn't show up an event when I insert a usb memory stick.. |
| 12:38.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | ScottG: i believe the world is made of cheese :) |
| 12:39.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | ScottG: and i insist everyone joining the channel be told the world has been made of cheeese for years ;) |
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| 12:39.49 | ScottG | Kamping_Kaiser: oic |
| 12:39.55 | cast | Kamping_Kaiser: the upgrade notes have said to use aptitude for years... |
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| 12:41.07 | stack | good tools are hard to die, and so does habits. |
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| 12:42.37 | cast | http://www.debian.org/releases/3.1/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages |
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| 12:42.56 | iceroot | cast: yes, so i use apt-get, there is no text to use aptitude |
| 12:43.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast: this was brought up in a thread recently on deb-dev, where it was pointed out that upgrade notes != the one true way for all debian |
| 12:43.29 | stack | mh ok dbus-monitor --system --profile 'interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Manager, member=DeviceAdded' show them |
| 12:43.33 | cast | iceroot: yes, there is. |
| 12:43.42 | abrotman | !tell Kamping_Kaiser about why aptitude |
| 12:44.00 | abrotman | iceroot: yes, the docs say you should be using aptitude |
| 12:44.09 | cast | Kamping_Kaiser: i'm not telling you everyone *has* to. but *most* people should RTFM, and do what it says. |
| 12:44.14 | iceroot | abrotman: the mails say apt-get, there is no aptitude in them |
| 12:44.37 | abrotman | iceroot: i'm telling you what the docs say .. not the security.d.o emails .. |
| 12:44.52 | cast | iceroot: the mails, as mentioned, actually say dpkg, and then "if you are using apt-get", they do not instruct you to use apt-get, only provide you the option to |
| 12:45.04 | iceroot | abrotman: and i guess i dont have to read the docs, when a debian security maintainer is mailing me to use apt-get |
| 12:45.24 | iceroot | abrotman: cast but thanks for the info |
| 12:45.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: ta, i'll have a look at what quoth dpkg |
| 12:45.36 | ZNC-Titan | Well almost done installing. ;) |
| 12:45.40 | abrotman | iceroot: you could email the debian-devel mailing list and ask them to choose just one tool |
| 12:45.47 | ZNC-Titan | Then time to update/upgrade. |
| 12:46.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast: thats the point. tfm doesn't say to use aptitude for installing packages, just dist-upgrades, and just previous releases |
| 12:46.04 | abrotman | iceroot: considering the guy doing the security stuff is having you do usually a single package, i wouldn't put much faith in that |
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| 12:46.15 | ScottG | How can I use my bluetooth headset as a mic? |
| 12:46.32 | cast | Kamping_Kaiser: mixing aptitude and apt-get used to cause issues... |
| 12:46.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast: yeah |
| 12:47.26 | cast | Kamping_Kaiser: i think when it comes down to it, most people don't RTFM. most people use apt-get because it was released first, and has a lot of inertia. most people are not interested in picking the better tool. |
| 12:47.54 | cast | Kamping_Kaiser: i think that kind of sucks, but oh well. |
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| 12:48.04 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: if you're running testing/unstable, using aptitude is a decent way to go with the dep resolution .. but neither tool is perfect, such is life |
| 12:48.30 | stack | what a poet :) |
| 12:48.31 | ZNC-Titan | I would use aptitude. If i knew how to. :D |
| 12:48.36 | ZNC-Titan | Lol |
| 12:48.40 | iceroot | abrotman: yes maybe, but i am never download the deb by hand, i am using apt-get update && apt-get install packagename. so its ok for me and the mail says, apt-get and not aptitude :) but i think this discussion is useless |
| 12:48.53 | abrotman | it is, you're wrong :) |
| 12:48.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast: agree, yeah |
| 12:49.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: i don't run testing, so i'll avoid trying to comment there :) |
| 12:49.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | is to lazy |
| 12:49.28 | abrotman | too lazy for the extra 'o' even! |
| 12:49.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | touche |
| 12:49.44 | ZNC-Titan | lol |
| 12:49.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | i call it 'optomised' :p |
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| 12:50.31 | abrotman | stops correcting |
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| 12:50.53 | cahoot | ScottG: something along these lines perhaps |
| 12:51.16 | ScottG | cahoot: Hm? |
| 12:51.17 | iceroot | abrotman: tell the debian security maintainers to use aptitude in there mails and i am using aptitude there |
| 12:51.18 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: depends on the cd you're installing from , |
| 12:51.29 | iceroot | abrotman: its not my fault if they are writing apt-get |
| 12:51.31 | abrotman | iceroot: i bet you won't .. but oh well, it's your problem, not mine |
| 12:51.43 | ZNC-Titan | jpinx-eeepc: what do you mean? |
| 12:51.50 | cahoot | ScottG: well it descibes how to make alsa use your bt headset |
| 12:51.55 | abrotman | iceroot: in this channel, please use aptitude when giving instructions where applicable, thanks! |
| 12:52.06 | iceroot | abrotman: ok |
| 12:52.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: what CD are you installing ? |
| 12:52.55 | ZNC-Titan | Cd1 |
| 12:53.02 | ScottG | cahoot: What is "it"? Did you mean to post a link? |
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| 12:53.38 | cahoot | ScottG: doh - sorry: http://blog.encomiabile.it/2010/01/02/skype-linux-alsa-bluetooth |
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| 12:56.39 | stack | what is supposed to handle the "computer" place in nautilus? I mean this one http://www.seopher.com/images/distroreview/ubuntu/hardy-alpha/nautilus-gvfs.jpg |
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| 13:11.32 | BiGViC | hmmm is there a reason why my pc will see my windows machines when I pick dhcp instead a static ip address? I'm a linux newb and is very fustarting and the lack of documentation :-S |
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| 13:12.14 | petemc | BiGViC: you mean your inability to find documentation, theres lots of it |
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| 13:12.30 | DEBUNTU73 | Hi anybody! Question: e1000 Ethernet Interface NOT FOUND if i boot with Debian5 dvd1 in expert mode. If bootet with normal install mode its been found properly. HOW COME ?!? |
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| 13:12.46 | petemc | BiGViC: what do you mean 'see'? |
| 13:13.39 | BiGViC | petemc: yes I guess I do mean my ability to find it :-( |
| 13:13.46 | petemc | !tell BiGViC about grounding |
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| 13:15.08 | BiGViC | petemc: I mean when I go to places and I click network, my pc sees my other two windows pc's if I have it set as DHCP under network settings. With static it doesn't see them, therefore not allowing me to copy and paste files between machines |
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| 13:17.20 | xyan | using proftpd and setting the directive AuthPam off shouldnt allow users from /etc/passwd to login in should it? |
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| 13:17.44 | xyan | i set it up to use mysql as an authentication backend and disabled pam but it still allows regular system users to login? |
| 13:17.46 | AlexC_ | When connecting via SFTP - is there a way to execute a command straight away? |
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| 13:18.26 | AlexC_ | xyan: do you really have a requirement for FTP? |
| 13:18.29 | xyan | AlexC_: man sftp see -b |
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| 13:18.37 | xyan | AlexC_: lol yes |
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| 13:18.55 | AlexC_ | xyan: ah, sorry - I mean on the server side. To do it automatically for them, I just need to change directory |
| 13:19.06 | AlexC_ | you wouldn't happen to have experiance with SFTP chroot would you? |
| 13:19.23 | BiGViC | hmm I guess I will just set it to DHCP -_- |
| 13:19.30 | xyan | not sftp but creating stripped down ssh jails ;) |
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| 13:19.56 | xyan | i dont feel the need for sftp since ftp is more common (enforced ftps that is) |
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| 13:20.23 | AlexC_ | yeah, you're forgetting how crap FTP is though, and how even more mad FTPS is to setup a firewall with |
| 13:21.05 | AlexC_ | xyan: what guides/references did you use for your SSH jails? |
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| 13:22.02 | xyan | AlexC_: i know a good one maybe i find it, but basically i did all the work mysel by figuring out what dependencies a biary in a jail needs using objdump, strings, ldd and so on |
| 13:22.08 | cast | the good ol lets try and use chroot as a security mechanism trick? |
| 13:22.33 | xyan | AlexC_: this one is quite nice http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/howtos_ssh_only.html |
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| 13:22.56 | AlexC_ | cast: I'm very welcome to other solutions |
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| 13:23.31 | xyan | hah install bsd and get a real jail |
| 13:23.46 | AlexC_ | not an option |
| 13:23.49 | xyan | ) |
| 13:23.51 | xyan | ;) |
| 13:23.52 | cast | linux has real jails [vserver, for example] |
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| 13:23.56 | DEBUNTU73 | Hi anybody! Question: e1000 Ethernet Interface NOT FOUND if i boot with Debian5 dvd1 in expert mode. If bootet with normal install mode its been found properly. HOW COME ?!? |
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| 13:24.24 | ScottG | cahoot: hcitool scan doesn't show any mac address |
| 13:24.26 | AlexC_ | SSH I'm don't really care if chroot doesn't work, since majority if not all will be using SFTP. Which if I don't use a chroot they get very confused when trying to upload their images that they can see 'weird files that arent mine' |
| 13:24.32 | cast | if you were quite paranoid uml would work |
| 13:24.49 | xyan | DEBUNTU73: you might have to load firmware |
| 13:25.11 | AlexC_ | it's very easy with internal-sftp, but I just don't like the fact I have to change the userrs home directory to '/user' for it to cd to that directory upon connection |
| 13:26.02 | AlexC_ | since when I look in /etc/passwd - user 'foobar' home directory is stated as '/foobar' but it is actually '/home/foobar' |
| 13:26.06 | white_r | hi! Im using lenny. i downloaded source for alsa-driver-1.0.23 and i want to compile/install them. in the INSTALL file it's written i need kernel source; what should i do? apt-source linux-image-myversion ? |
| 13:26.07 | petemc | BiGViC: possibly it sends its hostname with the dhcp request, i dont know for sure. have you compared the networks settings? |
| 13:26.53 | xyan | white_r: aptitude install linux-source-$(uname -r) |
| 13:27.07 | _joey | df |
| 13:27.21 | DEBUNTU73 | xyan: hmm.. you got a hint/tip for me where to continuing reading about that firmware thingy? i expected the kernel or loadable modules bring anything required to bring up the nic |
| 13:27.23 | BiGViC | petemc: I'm doing a file transfer now but correct me if I'm wrong the command ifconfig will the the network settings? I'm new to Linux |
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| 13:27.35 | BiGViC | will check* |
| 13:27.43 | white_r | xyan thaks! |
| 13:28.16 | petemc | BiGViC: ifconfig will show some, you should see nameserver setting in /etc/resolv.conf , if you have network manager installed it should show you what you need |
| 13:29.31 | xyan | !tell DEBUNTU73 -about e1000 |
| 13:29.32 | xyan | !tell DEBUNTU73 -about e1000e |
| 13:29.40 | xyan | !tell DEBUNTU73 -about e1000e |
| 13:30.17 | BiGViC | petemc: k I will see what's going on. My hosts tab on "Network Settings" is Empty is there default values that should go there I remember deleting them one day when I was having issues with my internet hoping default will pop up it never did |
| 13:32.17 | DEBUNTU73 | xyan: thanks a lot! maybe my "older" deb5 dvd does not contain the right kernel supporting e1000 well. ill check n read . thanks |
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| 13:33.42 | ZNC-Titan | How do i update/upgrade? |
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| 13:35.08 | savio | any tried to use spacewalk to manage his debian servers before ? i'd like to take your opinions about spacewalk , to see it worth a try or not ? |
| 13:35.20 | _joey | what is a nice terminal applcation? |
| 13:35.41 | xyan | sl |
| 13:35.42 | cahoot | ZNC-Titan: upgrade what? |
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| 13:36.18 | ZNC-Titan | Well im done installing debian |
| 13:36.28 | abrotman | lenny i hope |
| 13:36.32 | ZNC-Titan | I did not use network mirrors |
| 13:36.39 | abrotman | savio: didn't that just come out like today? |
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| 13:37.06 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: ok - what does cat /etc/debian-release say? |
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| 13:37.58 | ZNC-Titan | No such file or dorectory. :/ |
| 13:38.10 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: ok - what does cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:38.26 | jpinx-eeepc | sorry - brain-fart there |
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| 13:38.42 | c-101 | i am sure that you must be tired of the question.... but... does anybody know a repository for KDE 4.5 ? With the years i have become lazy and i do not enjoy compiling such a bick codebase by my self... |
| 13:39.00 | nsadmin | , versions kde |
| 13:39.01 | c-101 | s/"bick"/"big"/ |
| 13:39.01 | judd | kde -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 13:39.19 | savio | abrotman, i thought i would get a feedback from people, as today is a suitable one to get a good opinion :) |
| 13:39.37 | abrotman | savio: but it just got released today .. probably not many people have tried it yet |
| 13:39.50 | nsadmin | c-101: why would people be tired of the question? |
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| 13:40.03 | savio | abrotman, previous releases ? |
| 13:40.27 | abrotman | savio: i'm saying the version of spacewalk that has initial support was just released today |
| 13:40.40 | c-101 | nsadmin: well.... i read somewhere that due to the freeze in squeeze, there won't be kde 4.5 packages for KDE in a while coming from the debian's repository |
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| 13:40.52 | c-101 | so i suposed that a lot of people have come in here asking for them.... |
| 13:41.09 | ZNC-Titan | cat /etc/debian_version returned 5.0.5 |
| 13:41.47 | savio | abrotman, https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/wiki/Deb_support_in_spacewalk it was early in may that almost all the work was done ,,hmm seems i misunderstood |
| 13:41.51 | nsadmin | so you then supposed that it might be a good idea to search |
| 13:42.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !win ZNC-Titan |
| 13:42.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, ZNC-Titan! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:42.36 | abrotman | savio: but i thikn it was just officially released today? |
| 13:42.36 | nsadmin | which must mean you did that already... |
| 13:42.36 | ZNC-Titan | So yes i have lenny. |
| 13:42.36 | ZNC-Titan | Now what? |
| 13:42.36 | nsadmin | c-101: so... what were your results? |
| 13:42.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: ok - now sort out your sources.list |
| 13:42.44 | jpinx-eeepc | !sources |
| 13:42.44 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 13:42.46 | ZNC-Titan | Lol |
| 13:42.55 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 13:42.55 | savio | abrotman, anyway thanks alot , sorry for any disturbance :) |
| 13:43.05 | abrotman | savio: you might want to try the debian-user list |
| 13:43.07 | abrotman | mailing list |
| 13:43.11 | c-101 | nsadmin: since KDE 4.5 has been published just a pair of days ago, google shows no results .... i figure that maybe, if someone has setup a repository with packages for debina, maybe he would be hanging out here... |
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| 13:43.36 | c-101 | s/debina/debian/ :/ |
| 13:43.38 | nsadmin | c-101: which gives you the answer to your question |
| 13:43.50 | savio | abrotman, ok thanks again |
| 13:43.55 | bilderbergs | is debian the best ? |
| 13:44.02 | jordanm | !tell c-101 about sns |
| 13:44.06 | nsadmin | what is a "best" |
| 13:44.08 | jordanm | !tell bilderbergs about why debian |
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| 13:44.48 | c-101 | jordanm: you know, i have some problems with Xinerama that apparently are fixed in new version.... sns...... well... it must be |
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| 13:45.57 | nsadmin | bilderbergs: you're asking a non-question... when you say best without telling us what you mean, that's like not asking any question |
| 13:46.54 | nsadmin | or better, you're not asking about things you want, and not saying what you want |
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| 13:47.53 | c-101 | !tell c-101 about why debian |
| 13:47.55 | c-101 | ? |
| 13:48.24 | ZNC-Titan | !tell ZNC-Titan about why debian |
| 13:48.37 | nsadmin | c-101, did something happen when you did that? |
| 13:48.58 | ZNC-Titan | It did for me. ;) |
| 13:49.06 | c-101 | nsadmin: well... i did; dpkg told me about how greate debian is and how all the debian mantainers keep worring about my freedom |
| 13:49.25 | nsadmin | also... c-101, ZNC-Titan: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 13:49.26 | ZNC-Titan | Ok i did "aptitude update" now what? |
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| 13:49.41 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 13:49.45 | nsadmin | now read the release notes |
| 13:49.46 | AlexC_ | when using SFTP - is there a way when using "ChrootDirectory /home" that upon successful login they are automatically taken to their home account, and not shown the directory "/home" ? |
| 13:49.53 | white_r | does anybody knows the difference between snd-hda-intel and snd-hda-codec-realtek ? |
| 13:50.02 | AlexC_ | please, I've been searching for hours. It's like on one uses SFTP =( |
| 13:50.04 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: did it give you any errors? |
| 13:50.25 | ZNC-Titan | Nope |
| 13:50.28 | c-101 | white_r: yep snd-hda-intel is the general implementation of HDA |
| 13:50.29 | ZNC-Titan | :) |
| 13:50.34 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: if not - do aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 13:50.38 | c-101 | while hda-codec-realtek is a particual hardware implementation |
| 13:50.41 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 13:51.01 | ZNC-Titan | What is safe-upgrade? |
| 13:51.15 | nachoL | ZNC-Titan: man aptitude |
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| 13:51.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: it'll only make sure what you already have is up-to-date |
| 13:51.43 | ZNC-Titan | Ok all done |
| 13:51.51 | jpinx-eeepc | any errors? |
| 13:51.56 | ZNC-Titan | No |
| 13:52.07 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: if not - do aptitude full-upgrade |
| 13:52.12 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 13:52.39 | ZNC-Titan | Thats done. |
| 13:52.44 | ZNC-Titan | No errors |
| 13:53.17 | nsadmin | hmm. that was fast. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:53.27 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: you are now in possession of a working debian system :) |
| 13:53.29 | white_r | c-101 should i tell my system to load snd-hda-codec-realtek instead of snd-hda-intel ? or do i need snd-hda-intel anyway? in this moment my system is working without snd-hda-codec-realtek being loaded |
| 13:53.40 | ZNC-Titan | nsadmin: 5.0.5 |
| 13:53.43 | ZNC-Titan | :) |
| 13:53.59 | nsadmin | that what you wanted? |
| 13:54.22 | ZNC-Titan | Well i want to get newest stable debian |
| 13:54.32 | nsadmin | you did it |
| 13:54.32 | ZNC-Titan | And newest nonstsble vlc |
| 13:54.40 | ZNC-Titan | :) |
| 13:54.42 | nsadmin | can't mix that. |
| 13:54.47 | ZNC-Titan | Ah |
| 13:54.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: now read backports.org |
| 13:54.52 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 13:55.00 | jpinx-eeepc | !backports |
| 13:55.00 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:55.01 | nsadmin | if you do, bad things happen to your dependency database |
| 13:55.27 | jpinx-eeepc | , versions vlc |
| 13:55.29 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.1.2-1; squeeze: 1.1.2-1; experimental: 1.1.2-1+exp1 |
| 13:55.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 13:55.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 13:55.59 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: ↑↑ |
| 13:56.16 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 14:02.46 | ZNC-Titan | Can i follow the instructions on backports.org? |
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| 14:03.55 | cast | do you have an iq >30? |
| 14:04.05 | ZNC-Titan | Im getting a GPG error |
| 14:04.28 | ZNC-Titan | Public key not available. :/ |
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| 14:05.24 | ZNC-Titan | cast: yes. :| |
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| 14:09.21 | abrotman | ZNC-Titan: the instructions are on that site |
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| 14:09.41 | thomasfu1ton | Aloha, is there a simple how to avail, how to install debian from usb-stick? |
| 14:10.01 | abrotman | !tell thomasfu1ton about usb install |
| 14:10.04 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 14:16.11 | ZNC-Titan | Or could i just wget the vlc .deb file? |
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| 14:16.24 | ZNC-Titan | *without using backports |
| 14:16.48 | thomasfu1ton | If i try "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" to get boot image on usb stick, it keeps telling me "permission denied" |
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| 14:17.15 | gps23 | hi |
| 14:17.56 | ix | thomasfu1ton: are you doing it as root? |
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| 14:18.05 | abrotman | thomasfu1ton: are you root? |
| 14:18.56 | thomasfu1ton | well i try it with sudo, but i have to be "real" root? |
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| 14:19.26 | abrotman | you would have sudo su -c "zcat boot.img.gz > /deb/sdb" probably |
| 14:20.07 | AlexC_ | thomasfu1ton: when you do "sudo foo > bar" you're only using "sudo foo", then the output of that is redirect to bar |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | same problem with | |
| 14:21.14 | gps23 | i have a i686 laptop and a amd64 desktop both running Debian Testing on them, both have gnome-core installed and gnome-desktop-environment NOT installed. but right after booting laptop is taking 90 MB memory and desktop is taking 164 MB memory. Why is so much difference? I am unable to find any process taking unusually more memory on my desktop. someone please explain. |
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| 14:21.27 | thomasfu1ton | ah ok, it seems to work now, thx AlexC_ and abrotman |
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| 14:22.01 | bilderbergs | shit i should be usin debian on my amd turion x64 dual core lapbtop |
| 14:22.08 | abrotman | gps23: 64bit addressing, etc |
| 14:22.26 | abrotman | gps23: not sure it should be quite that dramatic .. but it is noticeable |
| 14:22.34 | bilderbergs | im usin xp on this old amd sempron 1.8hz |
| 14:22.38 | gps23 | abrotman: it too much for the reason |
| 14:22.45 | abrotman | huh? |
| 14:22.50 | bilderbergs | i cracks WEP |
| 14:23.08 | abrotman | bilderbergs: do you have a Debian related question? |
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| 14:23.20 | gps23 | abrotman: i mean its way too much memory for the reason you gave |
| 14:23.23 | bilderbergs | the only linux i use is BT4, but im gonna start custo it moar |
| 14:23.32 | abrotman | bilderbergs: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 14:23.41 | nachoL | gps23: the difference happens before you log into gnome? |
| 14:23.50 | bilderbergs | how u get wireless to work ? |
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| 14:24.08 | bilderbergs | i installed debian with kde on an machine but couldnt get wireless working |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | depends on the chipset, and which version of debian you have |
| 14:24.20 | gps23 | nachoL: right after login when i open gnome-system-monitor and check memory usage. i even disabled some services etc on desktop but it didn't helped |
| 14:24.33 | gps23 | abrotman: squeeze on both |
| 14:24.43 | bilderbergs | rt73 and it was the newest at the time |
| 14:24.45 | nachoL | gps23: check it before log into gnome |
| 14:24.53 | abrotman | bilderbergs: do you need help installing debian? |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | gps23: check the number of processes etc |
| 14:25.41 | gps23 | nachoL: good idea then i can know if gnome is causing this. but even if switch to tty, gdm3 would still be running |
| 14:25.54 | gps23 | nachoL: should i disable gdm3 too? |
| 14:26.38 | nachoL | gps23: mmm, dunno. try it with gdm3 |
| 14:27.20 | nachoL | gps23: also, check how much of the memory is simply cache |
| 14:27.27 | gps23 | abrotman: laptop is running 125 proc with 100 MB memory usage now. desktop running just 114 with 195 MB mem usage |
| 14:28.16 | bilderbergs | no i can install fine |
| 14:28.27 | jpinx-eeepc | ZNC-Titan: use backports or you will break your system :) |
| 14:28.33 | bilderbergs | i just cant get wireless to wrk |
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| 14:30.04 | gps23 | nachoL: gnome-system-monitor is subtracting cache before showing mem usage. |
| 14:30.06 | abrotman | gps23: well, you could see what's using the most |
| 14:31.17 | gps23 | abrotman: except xorg which on laptop taking 31 MB and on desktop 53 MB. no other process is taking more than 10 MB on any system |
| 14:31.37 | gps23 | abrotman: already counted number of processes |
| 14:31.46 | gps23 | how can i check how much memory kernel is using? |
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| 14:32.51 | lukosanthropos | I was trying to install a public private rsa key access for my debian server but now I'm getting 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host' whenever i try to connect |
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| 14:32.56 | lukosanthropos | I googled it |
| 14:33.03 | lukosanthropos | and I can't find anything |
| 14:33.06 | lukosanthropos | any suggestions? |
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| 14:33.25 | gps23 | does it make a difference than desktop is dual core and laptop is just P4 HT? |
| 14:33.31 | ZNC-Titan | Googled is a awesome term. :D |
| 14:33.39 | gps23 | i terms of memory usage |
| 14:33.40 | gps23 | in* |
| 14:33.54 | jelly | ZNC-Titan: also, s/awesome/mundane/ |
| 14:34.03 | lukosanthropos | lol |
| 14:34.10 | ZNC-Titan | lol |
| 14:34.16 | homie | anyone knows, why when disabling battery acpi thing for plasma, sound gets oscillating in iceweasel flash streams ? |
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| 14:34.50 | homie | it sounds like a microphone failure here then |
| 14:34.53 | lukosanthropos | it seems to be the common parlance for I have performed a search using a popular search engine, although the worst thing I ever heard has to be I googled it on bing |
| 14:36.17 | gps23 | nachoL: going to check mem usage before logging in |
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| 14:46.39 | ZNC-Titan | Would you say i could run squeeze? |
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| 14:46.54 | ZNC-Titan | Or should i just stick with Lenny? |
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| 14:49.41 | gps23 | i noted memory usage of laptop and desktop after 1) disabling gdm3 and rebooting, 2) with gdm3 enabled using tty 3) logging in on GNOME from gdm |
| 14:49.58 | nachoL | gps23: ok |
| 14:50.33 | gps23 | the diffrences are 1) 12, 2)54, 3)61 |
| 14:50.53 | gps23 | nachoL: desktop taking this much more mem on these 3 scenarios |
| 14:51.01 | _joey | sdf |
| 14:51.53 | nachoL | gps23: the values you gave are the laptop's? |
| 14:52.10 | gps23 | nachoL: its the difference (Desktop - Laptop) |
| 14:52.19 | nachoL | gps23: ah! |
| 14:52.56 | gps23 | nachoL: also noted values, but that would be fussy and we r only interested in difference, so.. |
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| 14:53.22 | gps23 | nachoL: can the reason be 64 bit debian Vs 32 bit debian? |
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| 14:53.33 | gps23 | 64 bit libs Vs 32 bit libs etc |
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| 14:53.43 | nachoL | gps23: dunno really |
| 14:53.59 | nachoL | gps23: not an expert here |
| 14:54.06 | engrxyz | hi, how do i customized the install partition for debian |
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| 14:54.30 | jordanm | engrxyz: when prompted about partitions, select "manual" |
| 14:54.32 | nachoL | gps23: I guess X could be loading different drivers for the two different hardwares |
| 14:54.41 | jordanm | !tell engrxyz about install guide |
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| 14:54.54 | nachoL | gps23: that could amount to some of the difference |
| 14:54.57 | gps23 | nachoL: thats also possible, laptop on ATI and desktop using NVidia |
| 14:55.26 | aarkerio | hi! I can't load Windows 7 using Grub-2 |
| 14:55.27 | engrxyz | Jordanm: after manual what next |
| 14:55.36 | aarkerio | need I reinstall Windows? |
| 14:55.45 | gps23 | nachoL: then we can neglect 1) 12 |
| 14:56.11 | gps23 | as this could be due to 64 bit libraries |
| 14:56.14 | jordanm | engrxyz: please have a look at the installation guide. the interface is really straight-forward |
| 14:57.06 | nachoL | gps23: may be. are they supposed to be bigger in size than the 32 bit analogues? |
| 14:57.08 | aarkerio | I can see: /dev/sda3 * 4740 9730 40083456 7 HPFS/NTFS but set root='(hd0,3)' is not working |
| 14:58.05 | gps23 | nachoL: yes, in that case 12 MB difference in scenario 1 is acceptable. and i can put the blame for scenario 2 and 3 on my graphic card and call it a day :p |
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| 14:58.51 | nachoL | gps23: sure |
| 14:59.00 | nachoL | aarkerio: install os-prober then run update-grub |
| 14:59.16 | gps23 | nachoL: alright. thanks for the help and suggestions :) |
| 14:59.37 | nachoL | gps23: sorry I don't know more! |
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| 14:59.57 | gps23 | nachoL: its ok you still helped too much |
| 15:00.17 | aarkerio | mmm, $sudo os-prober return nothing |
| 15:00.23 | qwd | How can I get autocompletion for aptitude? I want to type "aptitude install icewe" and press tab and get "iceweasel". Newly installed Debian Squeeze with gnome-core. |
| 15:00.31 | jordanm | aarkerio: hd0,3 would be /dev/sda4 |
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| 15:01.00 | gps23 | qwd: use bash-completion package |
| 15:01.06 | jhutchins_lt | !ntfs |
| 15:01.06 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ #ntfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:01.08 | jordanm | aarkerio: what version of debian are you using? |
| 15:01.13 | aarkerio | Squeeze |
| 15:01.18 | nachoL | aarkerio: have you installed os-prober? |
| 15:01.42 | aarkerio | is grub2, sda3 is 0,3 rigth? |
| 15:01.44 | qwd | gps23: I had to edit .bashrc to add the autocompletion part apparently. I thought it didn't work at first but apparently it did after restarting gnome-terminal. Thanks :) |
| 15:01.44 | gps23 | qwd: if already installed, it might need to be enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 15:01.45 | jordanm | aarkerio: well, you really should not be hand editing grub.cfg. if os-proper is failing in a case you think it should work, please check the BTS and file a bug if applicable |
| 15:02.40 | gps23 | qwd: what ran autocompletion from .bashrc? |
| 15:02.52 | gps23 | qwd: you* ran autocompletion from .bashrc? |
| 15:02.53 | jordanm | aarkerio: this is noted by "# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" at the top |
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| 15:03.48 | aarkerio | no I created /etc/grub.d/11_Windows |
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| 15:05.01 | jordanm | aarkerio: you should not need to, and you should be working the BTS for find why things are failing, in order to supply proper feedback before squeeze is released |
| 15:05.09 | qwd | gps23: I copied and pasted this part from /home/me/.bashrc to /root/.bashrc http://debian.pastebin.com/qC6t4Vk5 |
| 15:07.03 | gps23 | qwd: kk, i think i just enable these same lines from /etc/bash.bashrc and it work for every user. TIMTOWTDI :p |
| 15:07.32 | qwd | gps23: yeah I did that first but without restarting gnome-terminal, so I probably didn't need to edit roots own bashrc |
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| 15:08.12 | gps23 | qwd: yeah, you needed to source /etc/bash.bashrc first to put them into effect. |
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| 15:10.43 | nachoL | blist |
| 15:11.38 | rdr401 | hi, i made a 20gb root partition during install but df -h shows only 942mb |
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| 15:12.04 | rdr401 | this is the squeeze distro, can i fix this after install or did something go wrong? |
| 15:12.23 | HJLS | Can someone recommend me a decent webhosting who DOES not oversell their servers!!!!! |
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| 15:12.28 | latenite | Hi what is the prpper choice for: "model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU E3200 @ 2.40GHz" in kernel @ PROCESSOR FAMILY? |
| 15:12.59 | jordanm | latenite: i386 |
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| 15:13.51 | latenite | jordanm, jeah right... why do you say stuff like that? |
| 15:13.53 | jordanm | rdr401: paste the output of 'df -h; fdisk -l' |
| 15:14.04 | rdr401 | i cant the disk is full, firefox wont open |
| 15:14.26 | jordanm | latenite: because that is the arch you want to install? maybe I didn't understand the question? |
| 15:14.43 | jordanm | !tell rdr401 about wgetpaste |
| 15:16.53 | jelly | latenite: it might be amd64 capable as well, if there's any output from "grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo", it is |
| 15:17.18 | latenite | jordanm no i am confiuring my kernel...and dont know if I can choose core2 on processorfamily... since mine is dualcore |
| 15:17.34 | jordanm | latenite: what is wrong with the debian kernel? |
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| 15:18.09 | latenite | just optimizing |
| 15:18.19 | jordanm | !gentoosmite latenite |
| 15:18.19 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling latenite, and when it's all done, latenite runs 0.9% faster than previously |
| 15:18.25 | jelly | latenite: your cpu is newer generation than core2duo, so yeah it's safe to choose that |
| 15:18.39 | jordanm | latenite: I recall some gentoo documentation explaining the various families |
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| 15:19.29 | ZNC-Titan | dpkg is a person?!? |
| 15:19.30 | dpkg | ZNC-Titan: no idea |
| 15:19.45 | ZNC-Titan | I thought he wad a bot. :/ |
| 15:19.49 | ZNC-Titan | lol |
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| 15:20.06 | latenite | ok thank you |
| 15:20.07 | rdr401 | jordanm: here is the fdisk and df output, http://pastebin.ca/1916440 |
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| 15:21.43 | gps23 | rdr401: just a wild shot, may be u forgot to put M/G after 2^20 |
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| 15:22.31 | gps23 | rdr401: or i may be mixing some other distro's installation with debians |
| 15:23.06 | rdr401 | does the block size of 19535008 look like a gig or 10 or 10gig |
| 15:23.14 | rdr401 | s/20 |
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| 15:23.47 | jordanm | rdr401: no, looks like you put all your space on /data, which should likely be /home instead |
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| 15:24.24 | rdr401 | i am pretty sure i did 20gb root, 1gb swap, 130gb data |
| 15:24.26 | jordanm | rdr401: you will need a livecd to shrink sda3 and grow sda1. if this is a fresh install, it might be best to just start over |
| 15:24.52 | rdr401 | yes i'll reinstall and see how it goes, probably user error |
| 15:24.55 | jordanm | rdr401: err, well not shrink, but move |
| 15:25.30 | rdr401 | ok thanks for ur help. its new install so can reinit |
| 15:26.10 | rdr401 | altho the block size looks to be 20gb but its only mounting 1gb of it |
| 15:27.37 | jordanm | rdr401: ah, you are right.. |
| 15:27.55 | rdr401 | http://pastebin.ca/1916441 FSTAB |
| 15:28.24 | jordanm | rdr401: you can give resize2fs a try, in hopes that the partition is there, and the filesystem is just not written to the entire partition |
| 15:28.52 | jordanm | rdr401: UUIDs... what version of debian? |
| 15:29.06 | frikinz | 19535008 blocks of 512 bytes shown as 942Megs? strange |
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| 15:29.18 | rdr401 | squeeze, |
| 15:29.26 | jordanm | rdr401: what installer did you use? |
| 15:29.45 | rdr401 | moment finding |
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| 15:30.35 | rdr401 | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/Samsung%20N150 |
| 15:30.51 | rdr401 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 15:33.24 | rdr401 | the partition table might not hav been correctly written to disk, i did make a test one of 1gb as i was trying different .isos |
| 15:33.49 | rdr401 | perhaps the way i did it didn't update it since i needed to cold reboot or something |
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| 15:37.05 | rdr401 | im going to guess that is it and repartition from powered off state, need to go now, ty for ur time |
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| 15:38.55 | frikinz | Never saw this. fdisk gives the size in blocks but assumes a block is 1K ? |
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| 15:39.32 | frikinz | while tune2fs shows me the correct block size: 4k |
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| 15:41.52 | jelly | frikinz: fdisk typically uses the block size reported by hardware (512B for ATA, SATA, most if not all SCSI HDDs) |
| 15:42.15 | jelly | frikinz: tune2fs reports the _filesystem_ block size |
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| 15:42.40 | fxiny | jelly: which kde version are you running ? |
| 15:42.47 | jelly | fxiny: ? |
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| 15:43.12 | xx1 | if i had to choose between raid0 and LVM, which one is better? |
| 15:43.18 | fxiny | jelly: aren't you running kde ? |
| 15:43.35 | fxiny | i remember you said so |
| 15:43.49 | frikinz | jelly, for me in fdisk a block is 1K. I also though it's 512bytes but not here |
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| 15:43.58 | aaronyy | Or lvm on raid0 |
| 15:44.40 | xx1 | yes, also |
| 15:44.51 | xx1 | im thinking just one fo them |
| 15:44.51 | jelly | fxiny: on this machine, whatever's in squeeze. It just didn't sound like a question appropriate for this channel |
| 15:44.54 | xx1 | to keep it simple |
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| 15:45.15 | fxiny | jelly: ok , reason was : i'm reading kde-list thread about versions and i'm slowly moving to squeeze |
| 15:45.33 | xx1 | the problem with raid0 is, it uses striping, if one disk fails, i loose everything |
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| 15:45.42 | xx1 | is that also the case with LVM? |
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| 15:46.13 | jelly | xx1: if you don't want to lose data, use RAID1 or better. |
| 15:46.22 | jelly | or make backups.; |
| 15:46.32 | xx1 | say i can tollerate data loss |
| 15:46.40 | Tridon343 | which instant messenger do you use? |
| 15:46.41 | xx1 | but not all |
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| 15:46.54 | jelly | xx1: then use raid1 for the OS. |
| 15:47.39 | xx1 | i already do |
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| 15:47.50 | xx1 | that's not the problem |
| 15:48.06 | xx1 | i have a bunch of virtual machine images |
| 15:48.23 | xx1 | and im thinking on creating one large storage pool for them |
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| 15:48.33 | frikinz | sector size is usually 512bytes but fdisk shows cylinder size. yay I'll keep using cfdisk |
| 15:48.37 | jelly | xx1: lvm is a layer above block devices, used to simplify management of storage allocation (and also some extra features like snapshots) |
| 15:49.07 | xx1 | as they are not very critical data; I can tolerate loss of some VM in the event a physical device dies |
| 15:49.08 | jelly | frikinz: fdisk can be told to change the [u]nits used |
| 15:49.38 | xx1 | jelly: I know what it is; it's just not clear to me what if a device dies |
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| 15:49.57 | xx1 | will i loose everything or just (partial) data on that failed drive |
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| 15:50.39 | jelly | well if you used raw disks as lvm pvs, and you had some vgs using the pv in question, you'd lose all the data that was allocated from that pv |
| 15:50.44 | nickaugust | is svgalib still an active project? |
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| 15:51.10 | xx1 | of course, but what about the rest |
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| 15:51.34 | jelly | xx1: it'll still be there |
| 15:51.38 | xx1 | will data on the remaining PV's accessible |
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| 15:52.54 | jelly | yes but I don't know if an offline recovery procedure if required before accessing the untouched LVs |
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| 15:53.24 | xx1 | umm |
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| 15:54.07 | jelly | you could make a separate VG for each physical device if that's acceptable |
| 15:54.32 | jelly | LVs wouldn't be able to cross VG boundaries |
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| 15:54.42 | xx1 | that's just stupid -.- |
| 15:55.07 | xx1 | i'm looking into migrating to LVM so that i can span over mutiple disks |
| 15:55.40 | xx1 | well, except i'd get to use snapshots |
| 15:55.47 | jelly | but you also don't seem to care about the data, which seems to fit the "stupid" adjective too |
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| 15:56.27 | jelly | if in doubt, I suggest TIAS |
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| 15:56.39 | jelly | !tias |
| 15:56.39 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 15:56.53 | xx1 | i care about them, just not enough to waste space doing parity |
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| 15:57.28 | xx1 | let alone mirroring =/ |
| 15:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | xx1: I take it this is data that you can well afford to loose. |
| 15:57.48 | xx1 | yes |
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| 15:58.21 | xx1 | i have VM's doing nothing but just services, the important data being served is elsewhere |
| 15:58.39 | jhutchins_lt | In my experience, readability of data on a spanned volume with loss of a physical volume is highly theoretical. |
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| 15:58.54 | xx1 | so if some VM's become corrupted i'll just rebuild them from templates |
| 15:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | Who needs spanned volumes in this age of terabyte drives? |
| 15:59.34 | xx1 | hence i can *afford* to loose some data, but preferably keep some where possible |
| 16:00.18 | xx1 | i'd, apparently |
| 16:00.28 | xx1 | i also keep backups of VM's |
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| 16:01.28 | xx1 | to roll back when needed =/ |
| 16:01.42 | xx1 | 20gb per VM |
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| 16:01.52 | xx1 | that will grow pretty fast, even with TB's |
| 16:02.47 | daikert | May I please ask a question? To add a module or something like ServerAlias, all I'll have to do is go to the mods-available, and create a file that contains a configured ServerAlias code and add it using a2enmod right? |
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| 16:03.25 | daikert | I have Debian and apache 2.2.9 |
| 16:03.39 | Bushmills | daikert: a2enmod |
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| 16:03.46 | Bushmills | yes |
| 16:03.59 | daikert | thanks a lot Bushmills |
| 16:04.00 | Bushmills | but no need to change directory for that |
| 16:04.11 | daikert | ? |
| 16:04.19 | Bushmills | you may want to reload apache then |
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| 16:05.11 | xx1 | mhddfs looks interesting |
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| 16:06.17 | Bushmills | may be a bit slowish, using fuse |
| 16:06.52 | jhutchins_lt | daikert: It's done by creating a symlink from modules-available to modules-enabled. The file in modules-available should be there if the module is installed (as most are by default). |
| 16:07.13 | daikert | (hmmm... you mean purge and reinstall? My problem is that I think [I could be mistaken, I'm as fresh as a newb as you can get] this apache configuration is doing something like a virtual server or something. When I don't want to. Yeah, it's that willworth.ca and www.willworth.ca are giving me two different pages) |
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| 16:08.22 | jhutchins_lt | ServerAlias should be configured within the site-specific conf file. |
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| 16:09.52 | Bushmills | daikert: that's not mods you'd look at, but at sites_enabled and a2dissite |
| 16:10.00 | Bushmills | (and a2ensite) |
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| 16:10.39 | daikert | thanks, I'll go check that out |
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| 16:11.10 | daikert | jhutchins_lt, Thanks. I just want willworth.ca and www.willworth.ca to be one and the same. |
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| 16:14.16 | Bushmills | sites-enabled, actually |
| 16:14.29 | jhutchins_lt | daikert: This is really all it takes: http://paste.debian.net/83073/ Put something like that in a sites-available file, link it to sites-enabled and you should be good to go. |
| 16:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | daikert: I also tend to put all the directives that might go in an .htaccess file there, turning off actuall .htaccess parsing helps performance. |
| 16:15.53 | jhutchins_lt | daikert: You can have multiple aliases on the ServerAlias line. |
| 16:15.54 | Bushmills | daikert: your www.willworth.ca resolved to the same ip address as willworth.ca? |
| 16:16.09 | jhutchins_lt | daikert: Yeah, DNS is important on that. |
| 16:16.11 | daikert | Bushmills, yeah, it is |
| 16:16.16 | Bushmills | fine |
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| 16:18.07 | daikert | (I mean, yarr, it's both resolved to the same IP address) |
| 16:18.26 | daikert | (heh, lol, still a bit sleepy) |
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| 16:26.22 | ZNC-Titan | So i added my vlc src from testing. And aptitude build, etc. And i only have debs for lenny. :/ |
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| 16:28.08 | BlueChip | Hi - a couple of guys/gals here were incredibly patient and helpful to me earlier ...I wonder if I can beg a little more help and ask what is wrong with this interfaces file http://pastie.org/1090690 |
| 16:28.53 | BlueChip | ...I'm gettig stuck as DHCPDISCOVER backs off |
| 16:29.05 | frikinz | BlueChip, did you try commenting CCMP? As I said, some don't handle it.. |
| 16:29.13 | frikinz | mine are commented |
| 16:29.19 | Bushmills | oh, i thought you wanted to offer a donation :) |
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| 16:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | BlueChip: I note that the ESSIDs don't match - that almost never works. |
| 16:30.26 | jhutchins_lt | BlueChip: Your PSK, if real, is ridiculous. |
| 16:31.07 | frikinz | not easy to get such psk :) |
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| 16:31.38 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: You may note that the node shows CCMP in the scan. |
| 16:31.42 | BlueChip | frikinz: commenting CCMP?? not tried that ...read here under "supplicant/ tourbleshooting" that those fields are essential |
| 16:32.02 | BlueChip | jhutchins: LOL |
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| 16:32.46 | frikinz | yes a router here also says CCMP but in practice, if anything is connected using TKIP, everything has to be. I admit I did not see the scan :) |
| 16:32.53 | BlueChip | jhutchins_lt: The SSID is hidden |
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| 16:33.04 | frikinz | ah only CCMP. looks good. |
| 16:33.29 | BlueChip | My MAC, SSID, Password and PSK are all masked |
| 16:33.54 | jhutchins_lt | If your psk is actually that long I'd try a shorter one. |
| 16:34.17 | BlueChip | sorry said "read here" and forgot to post the link http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
| 16:34.50 | BlueChip | jhutchins: My password and PSK are masked ..the PSK was generated from the password as shown in section 2 of the paste |
| 16:35.27 | BlueChip | export xx_psk=MyPassword123 >> /etc/network/interfaces echo -e "\niface wlan0 inet dhcp\n wpa-driver wext\n wpa-ssid $xx_ssid">> /etc/network/interfaces echo " wpa-psk "`wpa_passphrase $xx_ssid $xx_psk | grep psk= | grep -v \# | sed 's/.*\=\(.*\)/\1/'` |
| 16:35.47 | BlueChip | oops: >> /etc/network/interfaces echo " wpa-psk "`wpa_passphrase $xx_ssid $xx_psk | grep psk= | grep -v \# | sed 's/.*\=\(.*\)/\1/'` |
| 16:37.16 | frikinz | hiding SSID, restricting MAC , a good challenge for crackers ;) |
| 16:37.32 | BlueChip | every little helps |
| 16:37.53 | BlueChip | Until I got a Wii I didn't even run on Ch1-11 |
| 16:38.17 | BlueChip | SSID can be found when a host associates |
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| 16:38.27 | frikinz | MAC can be taken |
| 16:38.31 | BlueChip | MAC can be sniffed and macchager'ed at the same time |
| 16:38.55 | BlueChip | With the right s/w and h/w channel 14 is accessible |
| 16:39.23 | BlueChip | the best hope I have of keeping people out is being smarter than using "MyPasswrod" and a password |
| 16:39.30 | daikert | (Oh, man, thanks a lot guys. Especially to jhutchins_lt and Bushmills. It's working now. Thanks a lot guys) |
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| 16:39.40 | Potato_ | Hello |
| 16:39.43 | ZNC-Titan | When adding a deb-src line for sid. What is it? |
| 16:40.00 | Bushmills | easy pie |
| 16:40.10 | Bushmills | daikert: ^^^ |
| 16:40.10 | Potato_ | Im interested in running Debian |
| 16:40.15 | ZNC-Titan | sid main, or what? |
| 16:40.28 | pallgone | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 16:40.33 | Potato_ | Im now running Ubuntu but I dont know anything about Debian |
| 16:40.42 | cockroach | ZNC-Titan: just copy the lenny line and replace lenny with sid. |
| 16:40.47 | Potato_ | What problems should I encounter? |
| 16:40.54 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 16:41.04 | BlueChip | However, irrespective of whether implementing as much security as possible is good, bad, or pointless ...how do I connect to an AP with an Hidden SSID ? |
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| 16:41.25 | pallgone | Potato_: user is not sudo-enabled by default |
| 16:41.36 | frikinz | BlueChip, I only know with netstumbler.. sorry :) |
| 16:41.44 | pallgone | Potato_: the root account is not disabled |
| 16:42.25 | pallgone | Potato_: get to know the debian wiki |
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| 16:43.27 | pallgone | Potato_: enjoy the better community |
| 16:43.42 | ZNC-Titan | ^ |
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| 16:48.29 | cockroach | i think he's afraid of the better community... |
| 16:50.50 | jelly | the community is full of cockroaches |
| 16:50.53 | ZNC-Titan | Yeah |
| 16:50.58 | ZNC-Titan | xD |
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| 16:52.36 | fxiny | cockroaches ? my lizard's starving :P |
| 16:52.38 | pallgone | maybe we should have told him straightaway that we hate ubuntu ;) |
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| 16:53.21 | ZNC-Titan | Maybe. :/ |
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| 16:53.55 | ZNC-Titan | I like Debian alot, more that Ubuntu. |
| 16:54.00 | AntiStupidz | I think irc is dying |
| 16:54.09 | ZNC-Titan | Yeah |
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| 16:55.09 | AntiStupidz | Whats the alternative? |
| 16:55.21 | Bushmills | xmpp conferences |
| 16:56.10 | ZNC-Titan | Hmm what xmpp? |
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| 16:56.32 | Bushmills | "jabber" |
| 16:56.47 | ZNC-Titan | Ah |
| 16:58.13 | AntiStupidz | So sad |
| 16:58.53 | ZNC-Titan | :'( |
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| 17:00.59 | pallgone | !btrfs |
| 17:00.59 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in the mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.29 and later. Filesystem utilities packaged as btrfs-tools. Btrfs is currently not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review. http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:02.17 | pallgone | too bad ext3/4 can't do snapshots... I don't like having to install lvm just for that feature |
| 17:02.23 | _joey | is there alternative to mplayer? |
| 17:02.44 | jelly | _joey: vlc? xine? |
| 17:03.14 | jelly | and a host of less known players |
| 17:03.24 | _joey | thanks |
| 17:03.29 | m1ndgames | Hello, can someone tell me why i cant remove pureftpd? it fails with this error and i get no single google hit on it :( http://mibpaste.com/x257Dr |
| 17:03.44 | ZNC-Titan | Whats the best player/streamer? |
| 17:03.51 | _joey | Package xine is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:03.53 | ZNC-Titan | In your opinion* |
| 17:04.02 | _joey | jelly: what is the name of the package on debian? |
| 17:04.34 | jelly | ,versions xine |
| 17:04.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xine' was found. |
| 17:04.42 | ZNC-Titan | :/ |
| 17:04.46 | jelly | _joey: dunno, apt-cache search xine |
| 17:04.57 | jelly | ,provides xine |
| 17:04.58 | judd | Cannot find the package xine in lenny/i386. |
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| 17:05.42 | _joey | there's no xine under debian, there is -it's called somethin else |
| 17:05.50 | cockroach | prefers vlc anyway |
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| 17:06.10 | AntiStupidz | Anyone know why i wouldn't be able to send an email via website through SSL? i.e(httpS://domain.com/emailsender.php) |
| 17:06.32 | jelly | _joey: what, did "apt-cache search xine" show no possible candidate package names? |
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| 17:07.41 | AntiStupidz | Do i need a better SSL cert.? |
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| 17:10.17 | _joey | vlc is good |
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| 17:10.23 | shylent | it is |
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| 17:10.45 | shylent | you probably dont even know *how* good it is. the gui stuff for 'watching videos' is the tip of the iceberg |
| 17:11.08 | ZNC-Titan | shylent: what version vlc? |
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| 17:14.13 | shylent | 0.9 something on this machine and 1.1.2 on the windows one |
| 17:14.18 | _joey | shylent: you tell me |
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| 17:15.49 | Bushmills | also mplayer isn't too bad. especially with nogui, no fancy buttons and such |
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| 17:17.31 | Bushmills | though not in debian, but needing d-m |
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| 17:19.24 | AntiStupidz | Im getting so sick of retarded channel ops |
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| 17:22.36 | gnoob | Hi, anyone knows about a good way of making infoscreens? Is there any preconfigured distros out there? Would like to have e.g two terminals. tty1 for administration from shell and tty2 for X where impossible to log on. X shows a web pages from a spesific folder.. Anything like this out ther? :) |
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| 17:25.26 | stuckey | Hello. Can anyone tell me how I can make bootable usb media for installing debian? |
| 17:28.17 | cahoot | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
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| 17:31.25 | jordanm | stuckey: really... |
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| 17:31.54 | jordanm | stuckey: you posted that same question to the mailing list twice today, which was answered, twice, and now you are here asking the same thing? |
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| 17:32.29 | stuckey | jordanm: You have a problem with that? |
| 17:32.40 | stuckey | cahoot: That talks about doing it not with debian but with dsl |
| 17:32.41 | jordanm | stuckey: yes, it is impolite |
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| 17:33.22 | adac | which packages do i need to compile c/ gcc |
| 17:33.47 | jordanm | adac: build-essentials |
| 17:33.50 | daikert | (awww... index seems to be working, but going to others takes time |
| 17:33.52 | daikert | ) |
| 17:34.12 | Pici | -s |
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| 17:34.44 | adac | jordanm: E: Couldn't find package build-essentials |
| 17:35.00 | cahoot | remove the last s |
| 17:35.14 | jordanm | adac: ^ yes, sorry |
| 17:35.18 | jordanm | !tell adac about search |
| 17:36.12 | adac | jordanm thx!! |
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| 17:38.09 | slooth | Hello. I'm using Debian Lenny. Kernel: 2.6.26-2. Is there any way to upgrade to at least 2.6.29? (by supplying binary packages, not compiling). Thanks in advance! |
| 17:38.34 | cahoot | slooth: via backports |
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| 17:38.54 | cahoot | !tell slooth about bpo |
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| 17:39.45 | slooth | Precisely what I require. Thanks a lot, cahoot. |
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| 17:40.12 | categore | heya all |
| 17:40.54 | categore | j freenode-help |
| 17:40.57 | categore | oops |
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| 17:41.41 | daikert | (ah, nvm, not sure what was wrong [other than the symptoms of not being able to access outside index], but after removing CustomLogs that apache can't read, and restarting, not reloading, it fixed itself. w007!) |
| 17:42.48 | _joey | does anyone know anything about monitor calibration under xorg? |
| 17:42.59 | _joey | i've got the profile file already |
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| 17:46.17 | cahoot | _joey: IIRC you load your .icm with xcalib |
| 17:47.36 | _joey | thanks |
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| 18:11.32 | stack | hi, I have x-window-manager running with pid 666 and I don't understand why pgrep -u stack -o w-window-manager doesn't show the pid but pgrep -u stack -o x-window works.any suggestion? |
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| 18:12.15 | Kaelten | is there a specific debian server channel? |
| 18:13.27 | Bushmills | Kaelten: /j #debian_server, after that, there will be one |
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| 18:13.38 | Kaelten | heh |
| 18:14.14 | thrashold | Kaelten: Just ask your question here |
| 18:14.18 | jhutchins | Kaelten: This is pretty much what there is. |
| 18:14.22 | thrashold | Bushmills: Dashes, not underscores! |
| 18:14.36 | Kaelten | Fair enough |
| 18:14.53 | Kaelten | I'm trying to preseed a netinstall, and that's working pretty much fine. |
| 18:14.57 | Bushmills | thrashold: just to be sure ... i wasn't sure whether #debian-server wasn't existing :) |
| 18:15.06 | Kaelten | my problem is that it's not respecting the dhcp server's hostname |
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| 18:15.48 | thrashold | Kaelten: Give more details. You have a server that's getting it's IP from DHCP, and you want it to get its hostname from DHCP? |
| 18:16.01 | Kaelten | thrashold: correct, during the install preferably |
| 18:16.33 | Kaelten | I have the dchp hostname (option 12) set for the mac address |
| 18:16.48 | Kaelten | but it's defaulting instead of using that value |
| 18:17.12 | thrashold | Kaelten: Changing the hostname of a server often wouldn't be wise (which is why getting it from DHCP isn't wise either), but you can reconfigure your DHCP client to do so, if I understand correctly. |
| 18:17.34 | thrashold | Kaelten: You'll have to do that after an installation, though. |
| 18:17.42 | Kaelten | thrashold: I'm hoping to be able to do it only during install |
| 18:18.00 | Kaelten | not interested in it changing after the fact |
| 18:18.24 | thrashold | Kaelten: Wouldn't you install the server just once, knowing it's hostname already? |
| 18:18.48 | Kaelten | I'm looking at deploying 20-30 boxes |
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| 18:19.33 | Kaelten | I'm already resigned to doing a little bit of dhcp config for each box, so the ideal solution would be for it to just use the one I can set in the dhcp server, since my preseed file will be the same for all the boxes |
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| 18:20.45 | Kaelten | (the docs I've found on preseed make me think this is possible, I may be wrong in my interpretation) |
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| 18:24.34 | thrashold | Kaelten: You can make some script that installs the machines for you, or at least configures them. |
| 18:25.40 | thrashold | Kaelten: It should be a simple bash script with debootstrap, copying and sed'ing several config files and apt-get'ing some programs. That's at least what I would do, but it might turn out to be more work than doing everything manually if you haven't done it before or you aren't prepared well for it. |
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| 18:26.07 | Kaelten | I'm in the prep stage now |
| 18:26.15 | Kaelten | testing out installing over and over again on some vms |
| 18:26.33 | kamui | is there a list of etch repositories that have the arm-binarys on it? I have a linkstation using freelink and my sources.list is hosed |
| 18:26.34 | Kaelten | sadly takes about 12m per test |
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| 18:29.15 | kamui | binaries even |
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| 18:31.45 | gnoob | I want to make a information-screen server showing html pages on screen (on fullscreen ofcurse) spending 30 secs on each page before looping. Is this hard to make? any help appreciated :) |
| 18:31.50 | nsadmin | kamui, try fixing your sources.list... your net connection seems fine as evidenced by the fact you are here |
| 18:31.57 | BiGViC_ | how does one compare network settings? ifconfig doesn't show everything...I'm asking because when I set my ethernet on Debian Lenny Stable to DHCP instead of a static ip I can see my other two computers fine but when I set static it doesn't see them under network, under places. Internet works just fine :-\ |
| 18:32.21 | nsadmin | what do you want to compare? |
| 18:32.48 | kamui | BiGViC_: Im trying to fix my sources list, the problem is that I don't know what repositories for etch have the arm binaries. I've tried 5 randomly and its been an epic failure so far |
| 18:33.11 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:33.22 | nsadmin | kamui: why does it fail? |
| 18:33.25 | BiGViC_ | When I set my ethernet to DHCP I can see my other computers. When I set to static ip for my ethernet I can't see them so something is changing and I would like to see what |
| 18:33.32 | nike | Hi, I want to know if the LSI SAS HBA 9201-16i works in Debian, or Linux at all |
| 18:33.48 | nike | I can't really tell, but it should be covered by the mpt2sas driver |
| 18:34.13 | kamui | nsadmin: I get no such file or directory when trying to apt get. The apt-get update also fails when trying to stat the binaries for arm |
| 18:34.19 | kamui | the device is an arm powered device |
| 18:34.27 | kamui | so I need to find a repo that still has the arm binaries |
| 18:34.34 | kamui | etch is debian 4.0 right? |
| 18:34.48 | nsadmin | kamui, lenny? or etch? |
| 18:35.01 | nsadmin | 4.somethign |
| 18:35.05 | kamui | I assume etch, debian_version is 4.0 |
| 18:35.06 | nsadmin | !codenames |
| 18:35.06 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. See <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews. |
| 18:36.41 | nsadmin | etch is no longer supported... so it might have been moved to archive.d.o |
| 18:36.41 | ScottG | How can I find out where the location of an icon is for a program that is running? By icon I mean the one that displays next to it's name in the window and such |
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| 18:37.48 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.16 | kamui | nsadmin: so does that mean that my device is screwed? :) I don't see any updates for freelink, or is there a way for me to point to those old etch binaries in my sources list? |
| 18:38.40 | BiGViC_ | hmm no asnwer for the dhcp and static ip ? :-\ very confusing why I can't see my other pc's when I have a static IP :-( |
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| 18:39.11 | ScottG | moldovean: That's where they usually are. But this one is installed in /opt |
| 18:39.19 | nsadmin | kamui: look at archive.debian.orhg |
| 18:39.23 | nsadmin | org\ |
| 18:39.43 | nsadmin | BiGViC_: static IP in your own local network? |
| 18:40.24 | BiGViC_ | nsadmin: yes |
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| 18:40.49 | nsadmin | what IP are you getting from dhcp? |
| 18:41.00 | kamui | nsadmin: so... could I use something like http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ Debian-4.0/contrib Debian-4.0/main Debian-4.0/non-free ? in my sources.list? |
| 18:41.09 | kamui | or am I not quite geting it |
| 18:41.16 | kamui | because you have me really excited |
| 18:41.21 | nsadmin | look at the page |
| 18:41.29 | nsadmin | archive.debian.org |
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| 18:41.39 | kamui | I went there nsadmin, its a repository |
| 18:41.41 | BiGViC_ | nsadmin: 192.168.0.100 |
| 18:41.42 | kamui | I don't get a web page |
| 18:42.00 | moldovean | ScottG, even you can associate any icon to your package .. |
| 18:42.01 | nsadmin | BiGViC_: what's your netmask? |
| 18:42.06 | kamui | http://archive.debian.org brings me right to index of / |
| 18:42.15 | kamui | I thought thats what you wanted me to see |
| 18:42.27 | ScottG | moldovean: I want to know the location of the icon it uses so I can use it for something else |
| 18:42.52 | BiGViC_ | nsadmin: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:6c:12:c9:05 inet addr:192.168.0.100 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 18:42.53 | nsadmin | try this |
| 18:42.53 | moldovean | ScottG, just lock to opt/ then |
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| 18:43.13 | ScottG | moldovean: looking, but there are a lot of images |
| 18:43.19 | BiGViC_ | nsadmin: when I change it to static eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:6c:12:c9:05 inet addr:192.168.0.34 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 18:43.25 | nsadmin | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:43.31 | moldovean | ScottG, then choose one .. |
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| 18:43.56 | ScottG | moldovean: I mean there are a lot of images that AREN'T what I am looking for. It's a huge directory with many files |
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| 18:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | kamui: README |
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| 18:44.20 | BiGViC_ | under dhcp I can clearly see my two other computers when I click "Places" and then "Network" |
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| 18:44.39 | kamui | pardon me jhutchins_lt |
| 18:44.42 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Some of those images are compiled into the binary. |
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| 18:44.51 | kamui | nsadmin: thanks for helping out, I think I can figure it out from ehre |
| 18:44.52 | kamui | :) |
| 18:44.57 | nsadmin | oh, not non-free |
| 18:44.59 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Thats possible |
| 18:45.08 | nsadmin | you won't find non-free there apparantly |
| 18:45.11 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Is there a way to get ls -R to print out full path names? |
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| 18:45.33 | nsadmin | ScottG, use find instead |
| 18:45.34 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Not sure, check the man page? |
| 18:45.46 | ScottG | nsadmin: Ah right. |
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| 18:46.54 | nsadmin | kamui, jhutchins_lt meant go to the site I sent you to, you should see something called README |
| 18:47.05 | _joey | how do I install this thing on lenny - http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=usb-modeswitch |
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| 18:47.08 | _joey | thanks |
| 18:47.39 | bezaban | ScottG: what do you want to do? |
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| 18:47.46 | bezaban | you might be looking for find |
| 18:48.23 | ScottG | Yea |
| 18:48.47 | nsadmin | _joey, looks like it's not compiled for lenny/not available from the package repos for lenny |
| 18:48.48 | ScottG | I really just want to know where the location of this icon is. lsof didn't show it. So it might be loaded into the binary |
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| 18:49.12 | pfc | how do I link a name such as "gem" to a program I installed from source that I can call with "gem1.8"? |
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| 18:50.07 | pfc | some programs call gem, and I simply need to make gem link to gem1.8 |
| 18:50.16 | ScottG | Found it :) |
| 18:50.42 | _joey | nsadmin: I gathered that much :) |
| 18:50.52 | _joey | the trick part - to install on lenny |
| 18:50.58 | Tranquitos | pfc, probably softlinking with 'ln -s' can solve your problem |
| 18:51.28 | nsadmin | _joey: best to find a backport or backport it yourself |
| 18:51.31 | pfc | Tranquitos: but where would I link the gem1.8 executable to? |
| 18:51.51 | nsadmin | , versions usb-modeswitch |
| 18:51.52 | judd | usb-modeswitch -- sid: 1.1.3-1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1 |
| 18:52.53 | nsadmin | since it's referring to some specific type of hardware, a specific kernel might be involved; you'll have to explore thta |
| 18:52.58 | pfc | Tranquitos: nvm, figured it out. thanks though, wouldnt have known what to do.... |
| 18:53.04 | Tranquitos | pfc, if you want to be able to execute it from anywhere, you should put the link somewhere inside the path |
| 18:53.23 | _joey | nsadmin: you find it and i'd wait you here |
| 18:53.34 | ScottG | lmao, there ended up being a file in the root directory of the folder that was an xpm file. Not aware of that image format |
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| 18:53.38 | Tranquitos | pfc, I'd put it in /usr/local/bin but i'm not very standards-compliant |
| 18:53.41 | nsadmin | me find it? what's your paypal? |
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| 18:56.36 | kamui | nsadmin: thanks a ton buddy, I was able to get it working, just needed to use that archive for apt. You've saved my linkstation from being retired :) |
| 18:56.41 | jhutchins_lt | _joey: You understand that we're just fellow users, mostly hanging around waiting for someone who might know an answer to our own questions. |
| 18:57.25 | nsadmin | I think he understands now :P |
| 18:57.54 | nsadmin | "what's your paypal" must have been a HUGE wakeup... |
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| 18:58.24 | sed` | How can I prevent certain partitions from showing up on my Gnome desktop when I connect the drive? (USB Stick) In fact I'd like to prevent auto-mount as well. |
| 18:58.39 | _joey | a self-indulgent &*#$$ very much up himself |
| 18:58.40 | _joey | :) |
| 18:58.45 | Bushmills | preferences -> removable devices |
| 18:58.45 | _joey | oh man |
| 18:59.06 | nsadmin | I'm not willing to do your homework... I need to be -paid- |
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| 18:59.38 | gnarface | _joey: i'll do your homework, for 10% cheaper than whatever nsadmin is charging |
| 18:59.49 | sed` | Bushmills: I'm only seeing Cameras, PDAs, Printers, Scanners & Input Devices there |
| 18:59.53 | nsadmin | if you can't understand that, you're -seriously- in the wrong place |
| 19:01.02 | Bushmills | sed`: strange. though my memory could have tricked me, or a change from an older gnome version to the current |
| 19:01.02 | _joey | shush |
| 19:01.11 | BiGViC_ | I just want to know why my static ip address won't see my other 2 computer from my router :( :( :( |
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| 19:01.40 | Bushmills | BiGViC_: wanting to know things is a great incentive to explore them |
| 19:01.45 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC_: Different netmask? |
| 19:01.57 | sed` | Bushmills: aye, could be. i'm running the latest Gnome from sid. |
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| 19:02.17 | BiGViC_ | Bushmills: been exploring for awhile. Thing is I don't know where to start looking |
| 19:02.32 | BiGViC_ | jhutchins_lt: according to ifconfig its the same netmask |
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| 19:02.41 | sed` | I don't know which daemon auto-mounts external drives that are not in fstab, hmm... |
| 19:02.49 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: it's either a misconfiguration on your part -or- a strange router which only allows registered (DHCP) MAC addresses/IP addresses to communicate |
| 19:02.58 | BiGViC_ | static ip eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:6c:12:c9:05 inet addr:192.168.0.34 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 19:03.05 | nsadmin | _joey, the moment you said "you do this and I'll just wait here" made you sound like an employer. You don't get to act like my employer without a paycheck... nuff said |
| 19:03.10 | o2T7 | BiGViC_: the output from `route -n` is correct' |
| 19:03.12 | BiGViC_ | dhcp eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:6c:12:c9:05 inet addr:192.168.0.100 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 19:03.14 | o2T7 | ?* |
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| 19:04.06 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: see your "router"'s manual - also, are other computers in the same subnet? |
| 19:04.13 | _joey | nsadmin you are fired :) |
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| 19:04.29 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: I know is a misconfiguration on my part because my windows machine all have staic Ip's and I can see them fine when I have dhcp or I'm on windows xp is just I'm a linux newb though :-\ |
| 19:04.45 | o2T7 | working for money! What a bad worker ... |
| 19:04.52 | simonrvn | _joey: seriously, get off the pot, someone else wants to use it |
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| 19:05.08 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: alright, so are all computers in the same subnet? |
| 19:05.16 | BiGViC_ | yes |
| 19:05.48 | nsadmin | _joey: no problem... you can learn to do the work yourself (and, you'll actually get more out of your system if you do) |
| 19:06.04 | BiGViC_ | it's not really that important to me to have a static Ip just more of a why is it not working when I set a static ip type thing |
| 19:06.07 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: alright. can you ping other computers? |
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| 19:06.25 | BiGViC_ | going to check now |
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| 19:06.38 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: the important part is - why you think it's not working, and not whether it's working, cause this is usually the networking culprit |
| 19:06.48 | project2501a | I LOVE YOU D-I <3 <3 <3 |
| 19:06.48 | nsadmin | BiGViC_: how are you establishing the IP exactly? |
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| 19:07.10 | project2501a | i hit the "end" key above the arrows on my keyboard |
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| 19:07.20 | project2501a | GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? :D |
| 19:07.26 | thewanderer1 | D-I ended |
| 19:07.31 | nsadmin | it finished? |
| 19:07.40 | AntiStupidz | lol |
| 19:07.56 | project2501a | it finished editig the partition <3 <3 <3 |
| 19:07.59 | nsadmin | so if you hit begin... |
| 19:08.05 | thewanderer1 | "Home" :P |
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| 19:09.14 | _joey | nsadmin what possibly can I learn from you? |
| 19:09.14 | BiGViC_ | nsadmin: under system>administration>network>Wired Connection "Properties" |
| 19:09.25 | Jemt | Hello. Can someone tell me how to connect to MSN using Pidgin? MSN is not in the list of protocols |
| 19:09.32 | _joey | just customed built a package for himself |
| 19:09.33 | _joey | yawns |
| 19:09.57 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: does ping work between machines? |
| 19:10.18 | nsadmin | _joey: since you're not open to learning at this moment, nothing. I don't see a question on the floor either. |
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| 19:10.44 | jhutchins_lt | Jemt: Lenny? |
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| 19:10.54 | nsadmin | BiGViC_: does that write /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:10.56 | Jemt | jhutchins_lt: Yes |
| 19:11.28 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: no I don't believe ping works weird... :-\ |
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| 19:11.53 | nsadmin | BiGViC_, can you at least ping the router? |
| 19:11.53 | prower | hello :> i'm quickly putting a package of the latest version of pidgin for myself, using dpkg-buildpackage... where would i go about specifying that i'd like the location of installation to be /usr/local rather than the default of /usr? i tried using the configure script but dpkg-buildpackage seems to still go with /usr |
| 19:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | Jemt: Get the one from backports - MSN fiddled with the protocol iirc. |
| 19:12.00 | BiGViC_ | nsadmin: as I am new to linux I would have no idea if it wrties to /etc/network/interfaces/ I believe it does though |
| 19:12.03 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Jemt about bpo |
| 19:12.12 | _joey | nsadmin: i told you are self-indulgent? I've been using linux and chatting on irc having shell script wrapped around telen when you were peeing in your nappies |
| 19:12.15 | jordanm | prower: what is wrong with the existing backport? |
| 19:12.19 | _joey | now, go and jump into the lake |
| 19:12.23 | Jemt | Excellent , thank you jhutchins_lt :-) |
| 19:12.26 | _joey | ;)( |
| 19:12.28 | BiGViC_ | yes I ping the router just fine |
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| 19:12.53 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: disable Windows Firewall for a moment on one of the PCs and try again |
| 19:13.01 | prower | jordanm: nothing that i know of? i haven't created a package before so i thought that'd be a good way to get started :> |
| 19:13.07 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: windows firewall is disable on both |
| 19:13.29 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: can you ping Debian from those windows boxes? |
| 19:14.32 | nsadmin | _joey: so this is a continual demonstration of how you would treat people who tried to help but wasn't willing to do your homework for you? |
| 19:15.01 | nsadmin | why should anyone help you if you act this way? |
| 19:15.31 | _joey | oh man:) |
| 19:15.31 | syslq | nsadmin: coz it's just the way we are |
| 19:15.40 | cockroach | hmm, it seems i missed an interesting conversation... :) |
| 19:15.50 | jhutchins_lt | cockroach: not so much. |
| 19:16.05 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: I'm going to try now |
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| 19:16.17 | thewanderer1 | cockroach: the link to logs is in the channel title, they'll be available tomorrow :P |
| 19:16.19 | _joey | nsadmin: seeing you are clueless I don't need your help. maybe that's why?:) |
| 19:16.21 | nsadmin | it's not that interesting... he said "jump" and I said "cool. for how much money?" |
| 19:16.47 | cockroach | thewanderer1: sweet! :) |
| 19:17.17 | nsadmin | !ops _joey troll |
| 19:17.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: _joey troll |
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| 19:17.25 | AntiStupidz | Whats the best php editor for ubunto, |
| 19:17.32 | AntiStupidz | Ubuntu |
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| 19:17.46 | thewanderer1 | !tell AntiStupidz about ubuntu |
| 19:17.54 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: yes I can ping my other windows machine and my windows machine can ping me |
| 19:18.02 | nsadmin | 1, #ubuntu would have that info; 2, "best" is not defined |
| 19:18.12 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: when I first said I couldn't I had ping the wrong address but I verify now that we can ping each other |
| 19:18.16 | AntiStupidz | Thanks for the useless help |
| 19:18.20 | sed` | don't feed the trolls... /ignore is much easier. |
| 19:18.20 | AntiStupidz | its what you guys are best at |
| 19:18.33 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: then you don't have a network problem but a Windows problem |
| 19:18.56 | sed` | AntiStupidz: emacs & vim both are excellent editors. |
| 19:19.01 | project2501a | AntiStupidz: best php editor for ubuntu? VI! |
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| 19:19.02 | nsadmin | AntiStupidz, ubuntu is not supported here, period, end statement |
| 19:19.03 | AntiStupidz | Thanks |
| 19:19.09 | project2501a | use vi |
| 19:19.11 | AntiStupidz | shrug |
| 19:19.13 | project2501a | if you can't use it |
| 19:19.17 | project2501a | go back to notepad. |
| 19:19.18 | AntiStupidz | This network is messed up |
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| 19:19.24 | project2501a | thnxbye |
| 19:19.32 | gnarface | you're messed up! |
| 19:19.36 | AntiStupidz | Thanks for the info |
| 19:19.39 | project2501a | you done goofed now |
| 19:19.48 | Bushmills | stop troll feeding |
| 19:19.54 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: that's weird because when I set my linux machine to dhcp it see's my other two windows machine just fine |
| 19:19.54 | AntiStupidz | Yum |
| 19:20.12 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: `cat /etc/resolv.conf` |
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| 19:20.25 | Tranquitos | BiGViC_, are you trying to access the windows machines via their IP addresses in both cases? |
| 19:20.28 | AntiStupidz | !google vim |
| 19:20.32 | _joey | the network has been messed up every since linux became friendlier and self-indulgent lamers figured out how to install linux on their desktops |
| 19:20.39 | _joey | it hasn't been always like that |
| 19:20.44 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: pastebin that somewhere, then run from DHCP and take note of that file again that it has changed |
| 19:20.46 | AntiStupidz | I used to use Red hat 7 |
| 19:20.48 | AntiStupidz | hahha |
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| 19:21.26 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: graphical configuration tools like to replace stuff like /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:21.50 | BiGViC_ | Tranquitos: no I'm not I just click places and network, I don't access them by their ip when I have dhcp set |
| 19:21.56 | nsadmin | well resolv.conf usually gets rewritten by dhcp too |
| 19:22.13 | AntiStupidz | Now i forget my question |
| 19:22.16 | thewanderer1 | that's what I'm referring to - let BiGViC_inspect the difference |
| 19:22.16 | nsadmin | is this a laptop? |
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| 19:22.39 | BiGViC_ | Thanks alot guys, your making this linux learning experience easier on the noob such as myself :-) |
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| 19:22.48 | AntiStupidz | Ya forrealz |
| 19:23.02 | nsadmin | AntiStupidz: your question was about a good php editor, and one answer is a plain text editor |
| 19:23.10 | AntiStupidz | Ya i can do that |
| 19:23.17 | AntiStupidz | I got 96% in school |
| 19:23.26 | AntiStupidz | But, its anti productive |
| 19:23.40 | nsadmin | why? what is it you actually want? |
| 19:23.51 | thewanderer1 | then go for Kate or SciTE - or listen to dpkg... |
| 19:23.54 | AntiStupidz | To use something like dreamwevaer in Linux |
| 19:23.56 | BiGViC_ | domain hsd1.fl.comcast.net. |
| 19:23.56 | BiGViC_ | search hsd1.fl.comcast.net. |
| 19:23.57 | thewanderer1 | !start an editor war |
| 19:23.57 | dpkg | nano blows! |
| 19:24.00 | AntiStupidz | lol |
| 19:24.09 | nsadmin | oh ok, |
| 19:24.18 | BiGViC_ | nameserver 192.168.0.1 is what I have now as a static ip I'm going to change it back to dhcp |
| 19:24.19 | sed` | ed is the one and only true text editor. it is the standard. |
| 19:24.19 | AntiStupidz | Not wine.. so ghey |
| 19:24.22 | jimcooncat | no one likes mcedit? |
| 19:24.25 | project2501a | EMACS AKBAR! |
| 19:24.32 | BiGViC_ | domain hsd1.fl.comcast.net. |
| 19:24.32 | BiGViC_ | search hsd1.fl.comcast.net. |
| 19:24.35 | project2501a | VI JIHADEL! |
| 19:24.37 | nsadmin | BiGViC_, so the name service came from your provider |
| 19:24.55 | BiGViC_ | nameserver is my router |
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| 19:25.10 | BiGViC_ | thats the ip of the router and how I access it by my web browser |
| 19:25.11 | AntiStupidz | This is off topic, but on my web site; i cant figure out why somethig is happening. I would like to try something in linux |
| 19:25.17 | BiGViC_ | brb |
| 19:25.19 | nsadmin | wait, is that the only lines in your resolv.conf? |
| 19:25.26 | BiGViC_ | yes 3 lines |
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| 19:25.32 | nsadmin | there are no lines starting with nameserver? |
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| 19:25.39 | BiGViC_ | no yes there is |
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| 19:25.45 | nsadmin | oh I see now |
| 19:25.45 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: (21:24:17) BiGViC_: nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 19:25.45 | X-Raimo_nbook | I need to have C headers what should I install? |
| 19:25.59 | thewanderer1 | X-Raimo_nbook: libc6-dev |
| 19:26.01 | nsadmin | which C headers? there are millions |
| 19:26.02 | BiGViC_ | brb |
| 19:26.09 | thrashold | BiGViC_: What does dig @192.168.0.1 yahoo.com # say? |
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| 19:26.19 | BiGViC_ | change it to dhcp and then I will see if resolve change |
| 19:26.49 | nsadmin | you can write your own headers too |
| 19:26.50 | AntiStupidz | waits patiently |
| 19:27.03 | X-Raimo_nbook | thewanderer1: where C headers are located in Debian? |
| 19:27.22 | nsadmin | X-Raimo_nbook: what function in C are you looking to call? |
| 19:27.24 | thewanderer1 | X-Raimo_nbook: see /usr/include or so |
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| 19:28.00 | thewanderer1 | X-Raimo_nbook: however, it is really best to list the contents of a package (-dev packages generally contain headers for libs) and see for yourself what goes where |
| 19:28.06 | _joey | nsadmin how things are going along? |
| 19:29.09 | X-Raimo_nbook | I want to install vmware server. It says C headers that match your kernel are not found. |
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| 19:29.20 | nsadmin | oh, kernel headers |
| 19:29.31 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r? |
| 19:29.34 | thewanderer1 | X-Raimo_nbook: you probably want to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:29.49 | project2501a | taking bets on how long it will take to lay ext3 on 1PB |
| 19:29.55 | X-Raimo_nbook | nsadmin: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 19:29.55 | jimcooncat | lameguy: you might be interested in Komposer for html editing. |
| 19:29.58 | project2501a | i should have gone with reiserfs4 |
| 19:30.04 | lameguy | Okay thanks alot |
| 19:30.08 | project2501a | i hear it is a killer file system |
| 19:30.10 | simonrvn | 'a lot' |
| 19:30.17 | lameguy | !google Komposer |
| 19:30.19 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 19:30.20 | nsadmin | aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 19:30.26 | gnoob | I want to make a information-screen server showing html pages on screen (on fullscreen ofcurse) spending 30 secs on each page before looping. Is this hard to make? any help appreciated :) Is firefox macros the way to go? |
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| 19:30.34 | project2501a | reiserfs practially kills all competition. |
| 19:30.37 | nsadmin | you may need other headers; not sure |
| 19:30.45 | X-Raimo_nbook | thanx |
| 19:30.45 | simonrvn | stop, please |
| 19:30.50 | thrashold | project2501a: That's not funny anymore. And reiser4 is a nice filesystem, just not relevant anymore. And reiserfs is awesome, too. |
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| 19:31.01 | project2501a | awww :( |
| 19:31.12 | simonrvn | stays away from reiserfses |
| 19:31.14 | BiGViC | just change to dhcp and I can connect to my windows machines just fine :-\ lol |
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| 19:31.21 | project2501a | it is too funny. especially when i was defending the reiser article on wikipedia |
| 19:31.22 | X-Raimo_nbook | are headers installed in /usr/src/linux/include |
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| 19:31.27 | prower | simonrvn, good idea, they can get you killed |
| 19:31.28 | nsadmin | reiser3 had all those problems with total fs failure |
| 19:31.37 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC: alright, how does your /etc/resolv.conf change? |
| 19:31.44 | BiGViC | my resolv.conf is exactly the same |
| 19:31.48 | jimcooncat | nsadmin: no problem here with it after all these years |
| 19:31.54 | BiGViC | same 3 lings |
| 19:31.56 | BiGViC | lines* |
| 19:31.58 | project2501a | nsadmin: yeah, you could be easily found in a ditch after powerfailure with reiser3 |
| 19:32.16 | thrashold | nsadmin: Wasn't that a pretty long time ago? I haven't used reiserfs for some time now, but I assume it will do pretty well after MD RAID mess up. |
| 19:32.23 | sed` | why doesn't HAL / gnome-volume-manager respect the noauto flag in /etc/fstab? |
| 19:32.44 | nsadmin | just be smart and keep your filesystems backed up |
| 19:32.54 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC: I don't know much about Windows networking, but workstations are probably trying to resolve DNS PTR records and fail because there are no such records on the router when you configure static IP's (this implies that the router does DNS too, which it does as I see from the config) |
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| 19:33.09 | thewanderer1 | sed`: because "HAL knows better" |
| 19:33.20 | lameguy | I hope the best one out there |
| 19:33.22 | thewanderer1 | you have to use some kind of policy config |
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| 19:33.27 | nsadmin | I'm... sorry... dave... |
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| 19:34.23 | BiGViC | thewanderer1: oh ok I see |
| 19:34.24 | sed` | thewanderer1: it's just odd because it definitely reads/uses fstab, e.g. the specified mount point is actually used. only noauto gets ignored. |
| 19:34.38 | project2501a | open the udev socket, HAL |
| 19:35.05 | jimcooncat | anyone using nilfs? It's the only thing I've seen that would get me off my reiserfs addiction |
| 19:35.14 | lameguy | KompoZer 0.7 is not compatible with GTK ≥ 2.14 — expect crashes. If you’re using a Linux distro that ships KompoZer 0.7.10 with GTK ≥ 2.14, please inform the package maintainers about this. |
| 19:35.19 | thewanderer1 | sed`: it can be the case, of course. I'm not using HAL now so I don't have this kind of problem... |
| 19:35.30 | project2501a | is a little sgi whore |
| 19:35.32 | BiGViC | thewanderer1: well it's no biggie I'm going to just keep dhcp for now until I figure linux out more thakns alot man! Really apreciate the help |
| 19:35.33 | project2501a | xfs |
| 19:35.51 | project2501a | it has been formatting upwards 1PB for two hours now |
| 19:35.51 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC: you're using GNOME, yeah? |
| 19:36.01 | lameguy | Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.32-24-generic running , CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ at 2310 MHz (4621 bogomips), HD: 65/91GB, RAM: 1491/1503MB, 164 proc's, 4.24h up |
| 19:36.01 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: ext4 :P |
| 19:36.03 | BiGViC | thewanderer1: yes the default debian lenny install |
| 19:36.06 | jimcooncat | lameguy: that's too bad. It was a very nice application. |
| 19:36.16 | BiGViC | first time on linux so everything is new to me |
| 19:36.17 | project2501a | thewanderer1: JIHAAAAAAAAAAAAD |
| 19:36.28 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC: you can browse the PC's shares using its IP address in GNOME |
| 19:36.34 | BiGViC | I feel like the biggest new even though I have build and repair over 100 computers using windows :-\ |
| 19:36.50 | nsadmin | BiGViC: not sure how your dhcp server is feeding you those domain/search lines... but my guess is your static setup is somehow not giving you a default route thru 192.168.0.1 |
| 19:37.08 | project2501a | BiGViC: it's ok. Unix has a very steep learning curve |
| 19:37.15 | project2501a | BiGViC: it can be humbling |
| 19:37.18 | nsadmin | BiGViC: you could find that frustrating |
| 19:37.19 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: you are missing one thing - it does NOT route packets anywhere in this setup |
| 19:37.21 | nsadmin | or exciting |
| 19:37.29 | project2501a | yeah, don't give up |
| 19:37.41 | jimcooncat | BiGViC: once you get rolling, you'll pump out your next hundred in no time |
| 19:37.42 | project2501a | go read o'reilly's "learning the unix operating system" for starters |
| 19:37.44 | thewanderer1 | the workgroup setup in this case does not use routing locally |
| 19:37.48 | thewanderer1 | so... |
| 19:37.51 | thewanderer1 | it's just Windows. |
| 19:38.03 | BiGViC | yes a little fustrating but exciting at the same time! lol :-) |
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| 19:38.08 | project2501a | just kick ass |
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| 19:38.23 | project2501a | man i want to crack more reiser jokes. |
| 19:38.24 | lameguy | Okay, any other suggestions? |
| 19:38.27 | project2501a | it's killing me. |
| 19:38.33 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC: if you type in "smb://192.168.0.50" to the address bar in file browser in GNOME (ctrl+L will bring up the address bar) you can see the Windows shares of that computer |
| 19:38.38 | BiGViC | but I'm glad I found Debian though because I like it's design philosophy and it's approach to things it's awesome |
| 19:38.39 | nsadmin | thewanderer1: that's weird... but so far we're only talking about "seeing the win boxes" right? |
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| 19:38.57 | project2501a | BiGViC: question: why did you not choose ubuntu? |
| 19:38.58 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: no, ping works for him just not Samba discovery |
| 19:39.23 | simonrvn | project2501a: in #d-ot please |
| 19:39.26 | nsadmin | which box is samba running? |
| 19:39.40 | thewanderer1 | ^ Windows |
| 19:40.08 | Bushmills | jimcooncat: i was using nilfs2 for a while and liked it |
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| 19:40.17 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1: that samba trick is neat! thanks! |
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| 19:40.54 | BiGViC | project2501a: lmao I did it had a pretty weird bug and I was looking down on linux when I decided to give Debian a try and I'm so glad I did the bug is still unresolve on Ubuntu 10.04 link if your intrested http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470616&page=3 |
| 19:41.05 | nsadmin | oh, so you're saying the samba discovery is running on the box he's on, and it's (failing to) discover the win boxes |
| 19:41.17 | BiGViC | thewanderer1: thanks alot I'm see if that works on static brb. Looks like it should |
| 19:41.31 | nsadmin | I wonder if that has anything to do with what the win boxes might "expect" his IP to be |
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| 19:42.27 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: yes, I'm saying that, and I suppose it has something to do with DNS - Windows like to have a leader (PDC) and expect it to provide NetBIOS, DNS, DHCP and everything, and sometimes get lost without that... :P |
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| 19:43.19 | humbolt | I prefer Linux software raid over LAN over on chip windows hardware raid solutions |
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| 19:43.26 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Actually, in a workgroup environment they have browser polls/browser elections and one box will become the reference for WINS style network lookups and browsing. |
| 19:43.43 | humbolt | however, 1gbit is roughly 100MB/second which is not really fast |
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| 19:43.50 | mkad | HI |
| 19:43.50 | thewanderer1 | oh, so great, so it has come this far... I'm no expert at this :P |
| 19:43.52 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: No PDC necessary. |
| 19:43.55 | mkad | Is there a CRDA package for Debian ? |
| 19:44.00 | mkad | Can I install it? |
| 19:44.17 | nsadmin | try apt-cache search crda |
| 19:44.24 | mkad | nsadmin, nothing |
| 19:44.27 | humbolt | can somebody imagine a faster way to connect my samba server to a windows client than via 1gbit LAN? |
| 19:44.28 | cockroach | mkad: last time i checked there was none |
| 19:44.36 | mkad | nsadmin, there is RFP |
| 19:44.38 | thewanderer1 | humbolt: yes, use 2gbit lan... |
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| 19:44.45 | mkad | nsadmin, I was wondering if its in experimental |
| 19:44.49 | humbolt | thewanderer1: lol |
| 19:44.54 | mkad | nsadmin, many drivers does not work well without CRDA |
| 19:44.59 | BiGViC | thewanderer1: doesn't work when in static ip thanks for the tip though |
| 19:45.03 | nsadmin | I guess you could check packages.debian.org |
| 19:45.07 | jimcooncat | humbolt: move the hard drive to the windows computer |
| 19:45.18 | thrashold | nsadmin: You could use 4 cards on both sides and bond them. I don't know when this is supposed to work, though. |
| 19:45.21 | mkad | nsadmin, for example my atheros and intel driver thinks that I am in Canada while I am in NL and I cannot connect to network, because its on channel 12 |
| 19:45.22 | BiGViC | I will jsut keep dhcp for now is not a biggie it was more of hmm why doesn't it work curiousity thing :-) lol |
| 19:45.32 | thrashold | er, humbolt ^^ |
| 19:45.35 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC: then something is screwed there, but I refuse to research the reasons with a windows-based server |
| 19:45.40 | humbolt | thewanderer1: 10Gbit LAN is pretty expensive, is there a cheaper way to connect servers and clients? |
| 19:45.46 | mkad | nsadmin, it most cases it will work, but 12,13,14 channels are restricted in US and CN |
| 19:45.51 | nsadmin | move to canada! |
| 19:45.54 | thewanderer1 | humbolt: use link aggregation. |
| 19:46.03 | mkad | nsadmin, Ubuntu and Gento has crda already from a long time |
| 19:46.06 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: speed costs money, any way you do it. |
| 19:46.08 | mkad | ;/ |
| 19:46.18 | humbolt | thewanderer1: that might work in linux, but does it work in windows? |
| 19:46.27 | thewanderer1 | humbolt: supposedly yes |
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| 19:46.40 | sed` | humbolt: install a pneumatic tube system with s-ata hotplug endpoints. high latency but high bandwidth. |
| 19:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | Casino Reinvestment Development Authority? |
| 19:46.46 | nsadmin | mkad: go to #ubuntu, and ask them how they do crda |
| 19:46.50 | humbolt | 25 USD Intel 1gbit card vs 400 USD for 10gbit |
| 19:46.50 | sed` | and +++ geek factor, humbolt |
| 19:46.54 | thewanderer1 | humbolt: Wikipedia has a nice article on this, really... but anyway - can your storage REALLY saturate 1Gbit/s? |
| 19:46.59 | nsadmin | you could try porting the packages they use |
| 19:47.11 | jhutchins_lt | Charleston Regional Development Alliance? |
| 19:47.22 | humbolt | thewanderer1: it can |
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| 19:47.36 | jhutchins_lt | Charles River Dressage Association? |
| 19:47.37 | thewanderer1 | humbolt: what are you running? SSD array? :P |
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| 19:48.24 | thewanderer1 | humbolt: ordinary hard disks can hardly ever do 80MB/s... |
| 19:48.39 | jimcooncat | good idea thewanderer1, maybe humbolt could use an SSD to cache on the client side |
| 19:48.40 | humbolt | Modern Hard drive give you far more then 125 MB/Second |
| 19:48.52 | thewanderer1 | I haven't heard of such speeds |
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| 19:48.57 | cockroach | mkad: if, however, you were to ask google, they would tell you about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536502 which would tell you that (and why) there are no debian packages (yet), as well as a url to get all you need to build them yourself. |
| 19:49.08 | thewanderer1 | however, for hard disks, link aggregation of 2-3 links is enough |
| 19:49.14 | BiGViC | thewanderer1: I see no problem like I said there all desktop machines so it's no biggie. Just more curisity than anything esle :-) Thanks again man |
| 19:49.49 | jhutchins_lt | mkad: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536502 |
| 19:50.04 | jhutchins_lt | mkad: Available from sidux for sid. |
| 19:50.07 | thewanderer1 | takes a mental note not to try to understand Windows file sharing/NetBIOS... ever. |
| 19:50.22 | mkad | jhutchins_lt, I just installed it from sidux |
| 19:50.40 | mkad | cockroach, no I dont have time to read 1000 pages of mailing list |
| 19:50.46 | thewanderer1 | crap, my Iceweasel seems to be infected with malware |
| 19:50.58 | cockroach | mkad: it's not a mailing list. also, just scroll down to the bottom. |
| 19:51.26 | thewanderer1 | when I enter any site, there's a small random probability of the site opening a new browser window or injecting a script that triggers a "this website javascript may hang the browser" |
| 19:51.28 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Only you would manage to do that. |
| 19:51.48 | thewanderer1 | well, I haven't installed any addons |
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| 19:52.31 | jimcooncat | that's what you get for leeching the neighbor's wifi |
| 19:52.49 | thewanderer1 | right... I only use my own and Debian packages are signed. |
| 19:53.23 | jimcooncat | still needs to try that transparent proxy/imagemajick trick |
| 19:54.25 | thewanderer1 | let's see if I can reproduce this weird behaviour |
| 19:55.50 | thewanderer1 | alright, so it turns out to be a script running in another tab, in a supposedly corporate site, that is hanging Iceweasel, and the extra windows I have yet to run into |
| 19:57.24 | aovidal | anybody with ati hd 4200? |
| 19:57.30 | thewanderer1 | !anyone |
| 19:57.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:58.15 | aovidal | How did you install free graphic drivers? |
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| 19:59.15 | thewanderer1 | aovidal: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 19:59.23 | Stupid | I still dont know what to download |
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| 20:00.11 | aovidal | thewanderer1: Installed! and now, what i have to do? |
| 20:00.12 | jhutchins_lt | !tell aovidal about ati |
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| 20:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: That's installed by default BTW. |
| 20:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Default xorg install includes all (free/xorg) drivers. |
| 20:01.28 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: Download whatever you want. |
| 20:01.41 | thewanderer1 | well, I just told aovidal how to install the drivers. in case they are installed, xorg should perform configuration :P |
| 20:02.04 | Stupid | I need best Website editor for linux, i dont want to install garbage |
| 20:02.34 | pipeline | Stupid: nvi |
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| 20:02.44 | cockroach | lol, nvi |
| 20:03.06 | aovidal | thewanderer1: I haven't xorg.conf file |
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| 20:03.30 | aovidal | Of course i'm new in Debian ;) |
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| 20:03.57 | jordanm | Stupid: emacs! |
| 20:04.12 | thewanderer1 | aovidal: it means that X.org is getting autoconfigured, so it should pick the driver on its own |
| 20:04.13 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: There really isn't a "best", there's whatever works for you and what kind of work you do. I've used Quanta, but not all of it's features worked or were useful to me. |
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| 20:04.14 | jordanm | aovidal: xorg.conf is not required these days unless proprietary drivers are in use |
| 20:04.28 | BiGViC_ | very odd indeed!!! |
| 20:04.35 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: Part of it is learning how to use the editor, which means comparing them takes investing time in each one. |
| 20:04.40 | Stupid | There is a best, one that always runs and doesnt crash |
| 20:04.45 | aovidal | jordanm: no? ok |
| 20:05.03 | jordanm | !tell Stupid about emacs |
| 20:05.10 | Stupid | Im looking now |
| 20:05.11 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: vi - I've done 90% of my web development with it. |
| 20:05.18 | thewanderer1 | Stupid: you don't really need a website editor, use a text editor - if you use XHTML and CSS properly, it speeds up development |
| 20:05.23 | Stupid | Vi is a develpment company isnt it? |
| 20:05.24 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: Quanta's never crashed for that matter. |
| 20:05.34 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: No. |
| 20:05.54 | Stupid | They still work on Quanta's? |
| 20:06.03 | thrashold | !tell Stupid about best |
| 20:06.28 | thewanderer1 | !turn Stupid into Knowledgeable |
| 20:06.32 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: it worked with static after changing it too 192.168.0.134 from 192.168.0.34 lmao ahh Windows or Router was being retarded...! |
| 20:06.42 | Stupid | lol |
| 20:07.36 | Stupid | Accually, there is something on my site that is freaking bugging me and i dont know why its happening. Im hoping i can find the best one and perhaps tell me something Dreamwever isnt |
| 20:07.48 | Stupid | Like months... |
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| 20:08.05 | thewanderer1 | BiGViC_: a) it's a race condition, and timing-related (seemingly random) errors are the hardest to debug b) the router drops all non-DHCP broadcasts from hosts outside of its DHCP address pool (usually 192.168.0.100-150 like you say) because it's dumb :P |
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| 20:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: Your best chance is to read the code. If you've been using windows crap like dreamweaver something probably got dropped or truncated and that's the problem. |
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| 20:09.04 | thewanderer1 | a switch tampering with packets is not good :P |
| 20:09.16 | Stupid | Man, i dont know. Ive spent months on it |
| 20:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: Propietary stuff like dreamweaver doesn't follow web standards, and troubleshooting it is entirely up to Adobe Support. |
| 20:09.22 | Stupid | Its stupid too |
| 20:09.30 | BiGViC_ | oh I see so neither windows nor linux is to blame it's! D-Link! All jk aside Thanks A lot! for the explanation at least I know why it happened now |
| 20:09.42 | BiGViC_ | thewanderer1: oh I see so neither windows nor linux is to blame it's! D-Link! All jk aside Thanks A lot! for the explanation at least I know why it happened now |
| 20:10.01 | thewanderer1 | well, of course it's all a guessing game |
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| 20:11.01 | Tranquitos | BiGViC_, just curious, why are you using static address when you have a dhcp server? |
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| 20:11.18 | aovidal | lol. I rebooted computer and now computer has a bug, i can't go to the graphic desktop (in KDE) |
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| 20:11.28 | thewanderer1 | Tranquitos: using static addresses is good for port forwards and serving in general :D |
| 20:11.30 | Stupid | ? |
| 20:11.40 | Stupid | Accually, im trying to move to linux.. |
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| 20:12.17 | Tranquitos | thewanderer1, you can configure your dhcp to assign a static address to a specified mac |
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| 20:12.24 | jordanm | aovidal: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:12.25 | thewanderer1 | Stupid: then you'll have to drop some pointy-and-clicky habits - it pays off once you do, but is not always straightforward |
| 20:12.36 | thewanderer1 | Tranquitos: your assumption is very optimistic :) |
| 20:12.43 | Stupid | Im not reallly stupid.. ive used linux for long time |
| 20:12.51 | ober | yeah welcome to debian :P |
| 20:12.54 | Stupid | Just not 100% |
| 20:13.32 | Stupid | Im probably the oldest linux newbie ever |
| 20:13.36 | thewanderer1 | I've also been to Dreamweaver but now Kate and hand coding seems like a superior choice |
| 20:13.58 | Tranquitos | thewanderer1, maybe, but i've seen cheap chinese adsl routers which had that capability, i thought it was common :P |
| 20:13.59 | Stupid | I used to run irc servers, web servers etc |
| 20:14.02 | Stupid | SQL |
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| 20:14.18 | aovidal | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/83114 |
| 20:14.33 | danols | hi all - is there a bash variable that returns a date - this way I can use it a filename? |
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| 20:14.53 | simonrvn | hand coding is best, but having helpers like syntax highlighting is nice, too. |
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| 20:15.05 | thewanderer1 | danols: er no, but you can do this: "filename-$(date).ext" |
| 20:15.09 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Yeah, that's fairly common in backup scripts and such. |
| 20:15.10 | Stupid | Ya but when you desogn more than one site |
| 20:15.15 | Stupid | Its anti productive |
| 20:15.28 | danols | thewanderer1: thanks! that's exactly what I need it for |
| 20:15.35 | danols | making a simple cron tar script |
| 20:15.48 | jordanm | aovidal: pastebin: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 20:15.56 | thewanderer1 | Stupid: er no, real websites use CMS and not dreamweaver-driven code |
| 20:16.05 | Stupid | If you say so |
| 20:16.11 | Stupid | I went to web design school |
| 20:16.17 | jordanm | Stupid: CMS's are extremely popular these days |
| 20:16.19 | thewanderer1 | so you got ripped off :) |
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| 20:16.28 | ainsoph | hi |
| 20:16.33 | ainsoph | i was wondering if anyone could help me |
| 20:16.37 | Stupid | I was the best student |
| 20:17.05 | jordanm | !tell ainsoph about ask |
| 20:17.15 | Stupid | I was the best student and i used to sleep in a cellar and piss in a bucket |
| 20:17.15 | aovidal | jordanm: Any words are in Galician (my language) http://paste.debian.net/83116/ |
| 20:17.17 | jhutchins_lt | I work for a guy who used to teach web design. I have to say his own site is a definite candidate for "Web Pages That Suck". Design school's got a lot of bad coding to answer for. |
| 20:17.29 | ainsoph | thanks |
| 20:17.44 | ainsoph | When I install debian it doesn't boot up |
| 20:17.48 | thewanderer1 | Stupid: hint: a CMS that can generate HTML webpages (de facto a website compiler!) exists, so you might be interested in searching for that |
| 20:17.48 | ainsoph | no error messages or anything |
| 20:17.53 | jordanm | !tell aovidal about localized errors |
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| 20:17.57 | Stupid | shrug |
| 20:18.01 | thewanderer1 | ainsoph: at what stage does it "not boot"? |
| 20:18.04 | ainsoph | just a blank screen with a cursor |
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| 20:18.12 | ainsoph | like a blank command prmpt |
| 20:18.15 | jordanm | aovidal: try creating a new user and log into kde with that. there are some errors in your xorg log, but nothing appears to be fatal |
| 20:18.21 | ainsoph | could it be something wrong with my bootloadder |
| 20:18.29 | simonrvn | Stupid: it's called templates. write once from scratch, update as needed. |
| 20:18.31 | ainsoph | i install it from usb stick, do a netinstall |
| 20:18.37 | Stupid | As i always do |
| 20:18.39 | thewanderer1 | ainsoph: what stage does it hang at, and what are you expecting to see on the screen which doesn't? |
| 20:18.40 | Stupid | lol |
| 20:18.42 | jordanm | !tell ainsoph about enter |
| 20:18.44 | aovidal | jordanm: Do you prefer an user with English language? |
| 20:19.00 | Stupid | You think becaus ei use dreamwever i make it do everythign for me? |
| 20:19.05 | Stupid | What a stupid assumtion |
| 20:19.05 | jordanm | aovidal: just use LANG=C like the factoid saysx |
| 20:19.09 | ainsoph | i see nothing, not even a message, just a blank screen with a blinking underscore character |
| 20:19.40 | aovidal | jordanm: ok, wait a minute ;) |
| 20:19.43 | Stupid | templates lol |
| 20:19.45 | gnarface | dreamweaver is what's wrong with the internet |
| 20:19.46 | thewanderer1 | Stupid: no... may I refer you to this thread? it may point you in the right direction: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=53243 |
| 20:20.02 | Stupid | I do costum sites |
| 20:20.13 | Stupid | lol templates |
| 20:20.13 | Bushmills | Antistupidz -> lameguy -> IKissAss -> Stupid .... a troll by a different name is still a troll |
| 20:20.21 | prower | thewanderer1: he's been trolling in here for a steady 20-30 minutes now, i wouldn't bother with stupid/antistupidz/whatever the dipshit calls himself now |
| 20:20.24 | Stupid | If you say so |
| 20:20.32 | Stupid | You troll |
| 20:20.37 | jordanm | thewanderer1: that guide fails to mention emacs |
| 20:20.39 | Stupid | with senselesslowblows |
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| 20:20.41 | simonrvn | ego management issues |
| 20:20.47 | Stupid | with senseless lowblows |
| 20:20.54 | Stupid | And when i respond you call me a troll |
| 20:21.14 | prower | Stupid: Get fucked you sound like you could use the practice, there's no other excuse for behaving like you are in an IRC channel |
| 20:21.21 | Stupid | Oh how useless you sound |
| 20:21.22 | ainsoph | could this be a problem with the bootloader |
| 20:21.43 | Stupid | notepad lol |
| 20:21.45 | Stupid | Wow |
| 20:21.48 | thewanderer1 | ainsoph: so are you seeing the blank screen right after selecting your kernel to boot? or before? |
| 20:22.03 | jhutchins_lt | Let's get back to debian support, m'k? |
| 20:22.05 | Stupid | You people know nothing about web development |
| 20:22.06 | ainsoph | it won't even show a menu to select from |
| 20:22.17 | ainsoph | maybe i installed bootloader in the wrong place? |
| 20:22.28 | thewanderer1 | ainsoph: in that case, you would get a BIOS error |
| 20:22.34 | jordanm | Stupid: then please move on to a web development oriented channel. If you need help with debian, feel free to come back |
| 20:22.42 | Stupid | There is none |
| 20:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: More to the point we did offer some advice and suggestions. |
| 20:22.51 | simonrvn | go away anyway |
| 20:22.56 | Stupid | Not really |
| 20:23.09 | thewanderer1 | Stupid: #php #web #net #html ? |
| 20:23.15 | thewanderer1 | ainsoph: unless you had an OS in there previously, of course |
| 20:23.17 | Stupid | probably all +m |
| 20:23.41 | jhutchins_lt | Stupid: If you didn't find it useful, this is the wrong place for you. |
| 20:23.58 | danols | hi again |
| 20:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | No need for everybody to get rude. |
| 20:24.04 | ainsoph | well i wiped the hard drive before i installed |
| 20:24.09 | Stupid | Ya i know |
| 20:24.11 | danols | linux is still new to me and man tar is HUGE |
| 20:24.11 | gnarface | wants to get rude. |
| 20:24.14 | prower | jhutchins_lt, as long as people keep responding this will be the right place for him, i put the troll-punk on ignore and got it over with |
| 20:24.15 | gnarface | knows about web development |
| 20:24.17 | Bushmills | (21:17:25) AntiStupidz: Whats the best php editor for ubunto, <-- here is the right channel for him |
| 20:24.26 | danols | how can I just gzip a directory and presrve permissions? |
| 20:24.46 | LightKnight | Sorry people -- I need help with insserv. Although fetchmail init script has a "Should-Start: $mail-transport-agent", it still starts before postfix. What should I look to fix it? |
| 20:24.55 | jordanm | danols: its not the real manpage either... you should get used to searching in manapages, using "/". try searching for "permission" and "gzip" |
| 20:25.06 | gnarface | danols: tar czvpf [target archive] [target directory] |
| 20:25.48 | thewanderer1 | danols: you won't be able to preserve owners upon extracting unless you are root, though - extracting with preserving owner requires the capability to `chown` |
| 20:26.00 | Argafal | is there any known bug concerning ptp cameras in squeeze? greping bugtrackers right now, but thought asking here is a good idea in addition: symptoms: according to dmesg the camera is detected. xfce opens the import dialog as supposed but this dialog (gthumb -i) claims that there is no source (field empty) |
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| 20:26.38 | simonrvn | Bushmills: yeh, he can sit all by himself in #ubunto ;p |
| 20:26.39 | thewanderer1 | Argafal: try another program for this |
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| 20:26.59 | Argafal | thewanderer1: do you have a particular recommendation? |
| 20:27.22 | thewanderer1 | Argafal: I use digiKam for KDE, it works very well for me with PTP |
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| 20:28.07 | Argafal | hehe, that wants 133 dependencies (non-kde system). i'll get f-spot i guess. |
| 20:29.21 | jimcooncat | will the xfce4 package give me all the goodness of a full desktop? |
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| 20:29.43 | jordanm | jimcooncat: you will also want xfce4-goodies |
| 20:29.45 | aovidal | jordanm: now |
| 20:29.57 | jordanm | aovidal: did it work with a new user? |
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| 20:30.04 | jimcooncat | jordanm, so just those two? that's great |
| 20:30.22 | danols | thanks gnarface |
| 20:30.25 | jordanm | jimcooncat: you may also want a display manager such a gdm, but I don't use one |
| 20:30.26 | aovidal | jordanm: haleluya! http://paste.debian.net/83117/ |
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| 20:30.57 | joesph | hello |
| 20:30.59 | jimcooncat | jordanm: do you have to manually startx? |
| 20:31.15 | jordanm | aovidal: that looks good, give my suggestion of creating another user a try |
| 20:31.20 | jordanm | jimcooncat: that is what I do |
| 20:31.45 | jordanm | jimcooncat: gdm should "just work" by simply installing it however |
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| 20:32.10 | jimcooncat | jordanm: this is a single user laptop I want to auto-login, so if I could do that gdm would be unneeded |
| 20:32.10 | aovidal | jordanm: ok i will try! See u in some minutes ;) |
| 20:32.24 | Argafal | thewanderer1: f-spot claims at least an error msg: "Could not claim the usb device" |
| 20:32.45 | jordanm | jimcooncat: i believe gdm is often used for auto-login |
| 20:32.49 | Argafal | so i'll use that for iXquicking about it. |
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| 20:32.57 | thewanderer1 | Argafal: then something is using the usb device apparently |
| 20:33.11 | Argafal | i think it's a libgphoto2 bug |
| 20:33.14 | Argafal | let me check |
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| 20:34.38 | Stupid | why is prower pedo ctcp me |
| 20:34.45 | Stupid | is he a stalker ? |
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| 20:36.44 | gandhijee | hey how do i add a debian repo? |
| 20:37.34 | jordanm | gandhijee: have a look at "man sources.list" |
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| 20:38.14 | jhutchins_lt | Argafal: I've had trouble getting my camera to mount correctly; it seems to be a timing issue with the camera going into USB storage mode. If I just keep retrying it usually works. (I just mount and copy, don't use a manager.) |
| 20:38.19 | Stupid | So all web site editors are crap? |
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| 20:39.16 | Argafal | jhutchins_lt: the camera only supports ptp, not storage mode :-/ |
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| 20:39.34 | jimcooncat | Stupid: Yes, basically. A good text editor and version control are the best tools for web development. |
| 20:39.40 | jordanm | Stupid: your question has been answered to the best of the abilities of the non-web developer community. please move along or get on to a more debian related question |
| 20:39.51 | Argafal | jhutchins_lt: there is a bunch of bugs reports concerning udev rules, so it could be that, didn't read enough yet to judge it properly |
| 20:39.53 | gandhijee | jordanm: where can i find a list of mirrors for lenny? |
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| 20:40.07 | jordanm | gandhijee: try the apt-spy tool |
| 20:40.13 | Stupid | hah |
| 20:40.35 | gandhijee | apt-spy isn't installed =/ |
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| 20:40.54 | jhutchins_lt | gandhijee: !sources |
| 20:40.55 | jordanm | !tell gandhijee about mirrors |
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| 20:41.10 | jhutchins_lt | Gahh. Thanks jordanm |
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| 20:41.33 | gandhijee | thanks guys |
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| 20:45.33 | Stupid | Yip all crap dont matter what linux you use |
| 20:45.56 | jordanm | !ops Stupid has been trolling for too long |
| 20:45.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: Stupid has been trolling for too long |
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| 20:46.47 | Stupid | If you say so.. |
| 20:46.56 | Stupid | Lame exscuse to try and get me kicked |
| 20:47.03 | Stupid | Probably stupid sheep ops will too |
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| 20:47.25 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
| 20:48.26 | Argafal | it is definitely a problem with permissions. root can access the camera, the user can not. fits the bts reports about broken rules. |
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| 20:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | Argafal: lenny? |
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| 20:51.50 | Argafal | jhutchins_lt: squeeze. |
| 20:52.02 | Argafal | jhutchins_lt: i'm reading through the bts and patches right now. |
| 20:52.43 | danols | does this http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/auth/#django.contrib.auth.models.User.has_perm mean what I think it means ? |
| 20:52.53 | danols | sorry wrong channel |
| 20:55.01 | gandhijee | can someone tell me whats wrong with this sources.list file? http://pastebin.ca/1916642 |
| 20:55.26 | gandhijee | i can't get any of the web stuff it seems,and can someone paste me theirs |
| 20:56.07 | nkuttler | gandhijee: man sources.list |
| 20:56.21 | gandhijee | i already looked at that, and it seems my file is fine |
| 20:56.33 | gandhijee | a second pair of eyes is what i need to see if i maybe missed somehting |
| 20:56.34 | nkuttler | gandhijee: you don't have the main repo |
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| 21:01.28 | b0nghitter | is mysql compiled with debug |
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| 21:07.49 | jhutchins_lt | !sources |
| 21:07.49 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 21:16.40 | moldovean | dpkg, tell jtheuer -about away |
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| 21:21.29 | ZNC-Titan | Why so much ping timeouts? |
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| 21:23.52 | thewanderer1 | dial-up gods are not feeling like being merciful today |
| 21:24.36 | ZNC-Titan | Ah. Lol |
| 21:26.40 | ainsoph | freenode is hosted on dialups |
| 21:28.08 | ZNC-Titan | What?!?!?! |
| 21:28.15 | thewanderer1 | right, and on WiFi antennas made out of Pringles crisps tubes |
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| 21:28.52 | SVD | any linux freelancers around? |
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| 21:29.20 | ZNC-Titan | They cant host it on dialup. :/ |
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| 21:31.28 | krisfremen | SVD: yup? |
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| 21:34.49 | gandhijee | whats the kernel sources package for debian? |
| 21:35.27 | nkuttler | gandhijee: apt-cache search keyword1 keyword2 |
| 21:35.37 | gandhijee | k |
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| 21:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: gandhijee: Aptitude will also search. |
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| 22:41.48 | daniele9821 | hello all i try to install php from source but when i configure it i've the error:configure: error: Cannot find libmysqlclient_r under /usr/local/mysql/. |
| 22:42.49 | bolt | daniele9821: so debian probably puts it somewhere else. use apt-file to find out where it's at, make sure you have that package installed in the first place, and then symlink it |
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| 22:42.58 | bolt | daniele9821: or change the configuration before trying to install |
| 22:43.08 | bolt | daniele9821: or just use debian's php. it's there, you know. |
| 22:43.15 | bolt | daniele9821: why are you trying to use a custom one anyway? |
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| 22:44.34 | daniele9821 | bolt: i need it! i've seen if the dependencies are respected and there're...the problem is mysql i've specified in ./configure --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql/ |
| 22:44.37 | nsadmin | are different versions of php really that incompatible as to require even a specific point release |
| 22:44.40 | nsadmin | ?\ |
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| 22:44.56 | bolt | daniele9821: *why* do you need it? |
| 22:45.01 | bolt | nsadmin: doubtful |
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| 22:45.31 | bolt | daniele9821: stop configuring it to look in /usr/local/mysql if the files it needs aren't there |
| 22:45.33 | daniele9821 | bolt: the problem is not why source or why packet! |
| 22:45.42 | bolt | daniele9821: ... |
| 22:45.57 | bolt | daniele9821: you've entirely missed the point of a package-based distribution, it seems |
| 22:46.08 | daniele9821 | bolt: mysql is in /usr/local/mysql |
| 22:46.18 | bolt | daniele9821: you're using one. use the packets. those are what we support here. |
| 22:46.20 | nsadmin | daniele9821: -technically-... when you build from source, you've brought your issue totally outside of debian support |
| 22:46.33 | daniele9821 | [root@localhost mysql]# pwd |
| 22:46.34 | daniele9821 | /usr/local/mysql |
| 22:46.36 | daniele9821 | ah ok |
| 22:46.43 | nsadmin | the hard/official line as a result would be "that's not supported here" |
| 22:47.21 | bolt | daniele9821: unless there's a good, solid reason to compile from source, and there rarely is, in spite of what any gentoo user will tell you, don't. |
| 22:47.31 | nsadmin | I'm not saying that's the case here and now... if someone wants to help you, more power to you/them... but just realize this is, shall we say, an unusual case |
| 22:48.16 | nsadmin | the fact is, when I build up my openacs stack, I build everything myself except postgresql |
| 22:48.24 | nsadmin | and I used to build that too |
| 22:48.30 | daniele9821 | bolt i need php out of box i need a standr way to install it in every distribution |
| 22:48.57 | nsadmin | my good, solid reason: I do NOT want debian or anyone besides myself replacing anything I build |
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| 22:50.36 | nsadmin | essentially, in those situations I want total control, and accept total responsibility |
| 22:51.10 | nsadmin | but if you don't care one way or the other, then why not just try the packages to see if they work |
| 22:52.16 | simonrvn | wonders why people build from source when they don't need to |
| 22:53.42 | frikinz | /usr/local/mysql seems quite unusual for a library.. |
| 22:54.01 | nsadmin | in fact, that would not be correct for debian |
| 22:54.29 | daniele9821 | frikinz: what? |
| 22:54.31 | frikinz | that looks like redhat style |
| 22:54.32 | nsadmin | for a debian package that is... which by policy does not have any business whatsoever touching /usr/local |
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| 22:56.21 | daniele9821 | frikinz: sorry? i've installed mysql in /usr/local/mysql inside there're a lot of directory i.e. bin, include,lib et. |
| 22:56.40 | nsadmin | so, you've also built mysql |
| 22:57.00 | daniele9821 | yes |
| 22:57.36 | frikinz | daniele9821, look where your file really is. and check in config.log what it searches. but the best advice is what people gave you, if you don't need to build from source then don't.. why waste your time and have a messy system? |
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| 22:58.55 | jordanm | maybe some people like bein subrscribbed to 10 upstream mailing lists so they can stay in touch with the latest security updates, and then spend hours compiling the new software in the case it happens... |
| 22:59.40 | jordanm | aka as a masochist |
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| 23:01.03 | frikinz | also between installing a binary package and compiling from source (and installing in /usr/local) there is a solution in between.. modifying the compile options in the debian package and rebuild a package suited to your needs. |
| 23:01.56 | jordanm | even worse, compiling software with --prefix=/usr |
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| 23:02.56 | frikinz | and loosing track of what is installed and why it is installed. back in the 90s |
| 23:03.31 | nsadmin | that could potentially screw arbitrary numbers of your executables... having said that, it is your machine and you can do what you want with it |
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| 23:07.22 | cheasee | anyone familar with ipmi? im using sol over lanplus interface, rebooted, but when selecting from grub to boot connection drops... i assume i have to enable serial at grub? any special settings needed or do default serial settings suffice? |
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| 23:08.36 | kblessinggr | trying to figure out if there's a 1.4+ libevent version in the deb repository |
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| 23:10.45 | gnoob | I want to make a information-screen server showing html pages on screen (on fullscreen ofcurse) spending 30 secs on each page before looping. Is this hard to make? any help appreciated :) |
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| 23:11.35 | gnoob | Maybe its easier with png's instead? And then use screensaver to show photos? |
| 23:11.41 | frikinz | , version libevent-dev |
| 23:11.47 | xxtjaxx | bzed: ping |
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| 23:12.39 | jordanm | gnoob: probably better finding a web development oriented channel to ask, but I think there is likely "slideshow" software or CMS plugin that will accomplish that |
| 23:13.53 | xxtjaxx | If I have a package *-dev that only installs *.h files is it save to suggest them as a Architecture: all ? |
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| 23:18.21 | jof | I've got a funky dpkg/apt issue |
| 23:18.35 | gnoob | ok thanks jordanm, I think Ill go for a standard screensaver slideshow then :) combined with a shared folder for easy adding and removing photos from slideshow :) Thats easy to set up at least.. not a pro solution though.. |
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| 23:18.49 | jof | I have a personal repository that has some metapackages that point to specific (sometimes one version out-of-date) packages |
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| 23:19.20 | jof | and trying to install the metapackage lists some of the dependecies, but fails to install them, saying things like: |
| 23:19.28 | jof | Depends: python-pyasn1 (= 0.0.7a-1) but 0.0.8a-1 is to be installed |
| 23:19.37 | jof | even though I've set the state of the package to "deinstall" |
| 23:20.01 | jof | and manually installing that version with "apt-get install packagename=x.x.x" works |
| 23:20.09 | jof | any idea why apt would fail with that? |
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| 23:21.09 | jordanm | jof: sounds like you are mixing releases |
| 23:21.21 | jordanm | jof: pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy |
| 23:21.58 | jof | I don't believe so, but I am pointing to packages that sometimes aren't the current version in the main repo. I've pinned my personal repo as priority: 1005 |
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| 23:23.30 | jof | jordanm, http://pastebin.com/7dGjCBFu |
| 23:24.16 | jordanm | jof: what os are you really running? |
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| 23:24.40 | jof | jordanm, well ubuntu in this case... I'm at work :) |
| 23:24.54 | jordanm | jof: wrong channel |
| 23:25.11 | jof | dpkg and apt are all the same though, no? |
| 23:25.12 | dpkg | ...but and apt is already something else... |
| 23:25.25 | jof | well, same as in Debian |
| 23:25.28 | jordanm | !tell jof about ubuntu |
| 23:25.58 | jordanm | jof: I would expect, yes, but I don't use it so I don't really know |
| 23:26.53 | jof | Fair enough. I'm confident I'd create the same conflict with a Debian repository, I'm just curious about this apt behavior and not seeing that those dependencies can actually be resolved. |
| 23:27.42 | jordanm | jof: there might be a derivatives channel for that one day |
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| 23:28.32 | jof | A derivatives channel? |
| 23:28.54 | jordanm | yes |
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| 23:30.19 | cast | for ubuntu users who are confident its a debian problem, despite there not being a debian user with a problem - but rather an ubuntu user |
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| 23:31.01 | jof | I can imagine there's a fair bit of clueless users that come wandering though here |
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| 23:31.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | cast, for apt stuff |
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| 23:31.59 | cast | do ubuntu patch apt at all? |
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| 23:32.49 | xxtjaxx | cast: they do strange stuff to the building process and such so its possible |
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| 23:40.42 | drasko | hi all. I am trying to connect to wifi and I am getting : Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument. |
| 23:40.46 | drasko | What can it be ? |
| 23:41.05 | cast | your wifi is eth1? |
| 23:42.30 | drasko | yes |
| 23:42.50 | drasko | eth1 IEEE 802.11bg |
| 23:43.14 | cast | curious :) |
| 23:43.34 | nsadmin | drasko: what are all the interfaces you have, including eth1? (ifconfig -a, look at the paragraph names) |
| 23:43.40 | jof | jordanm, I eventually did figure it out, I had an error in my preferences file. Thanks for the "apt-cache policy" tip -- that's what helped me track it down. |
| 23:43.58 | drasko | nsadmin, eth 0 |
| 23:44.04 | drasko | and loopback |
| 23:44.07 | jof | cast, linux mac80211 drivers name their interfaces ethX |
| 23:44.12 | cast | jof: confident it's a debian bug haha ;P |
| 23:44.52 | nsadmin | drasko: did you type ifconfig -a? |
| 23:45.02 | drasko | yes |
| 23:45.24 | drasko | eth0, eth1 and lo |
| 23:45.41 | nsadmin | try iwlist scan |
| 23:46.15 | drasko | eth1 Scan completed : etc... |
| 23:46.30 | nsadmin | did it show any nets? |
| 23:46.48 | drasko | Yes |
| 23:47.02 | drasko | I am trying to connect to Cell3 with Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1) |
| 23:47.12 | drasko | I do not get why it complains... |
| 23:47.29 | drasko | Quality:5/5 Signal level:-41 dBm Noise level:-92 dBm |
| 23:47.41 | drasko | IE: WPA Version 1 |
| 23:47.45 | nsadmin | invalid argument means one of the arguments passed to a syscall was not valid |
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| 23:48.25 | nsadmin | if it's actually valid sometimes, that will usually mean support has not been compiled in for something |
| 23:48.37 | drasko | nsadmin I used it before |
| 23:48.46 | drasko | to connect to other networks |
| 23:49.01 | nsadmin | using what kernel? |
| 23:49.05 | drasko | maybe I am doing wrong the key? But I am copy pasting it... |
| 23:49.21 | drasko | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:49.35 | nsadmin | and what kernel were you using before, when it worked? |
| 23:49.40 | drasko | same |
| 23:49.54 | nsadmin | ok, that could mean the driver is not inserted |
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| 23:51.07 | nsadmin | usually, a driver insert will cause additional argument values to be valid, and for there to be code to handle the argument value |
| 23:51.57 | drasko | nsadmin, whuh... How can I find now which driver... |
| 23:52.56 | moldovean | drasko, first install 2.6.26-2-686 , your kernel is old .. |
| 23:53.04 | mentor | drasko: What command are you running to get that error? |
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| 23:53.16 | nsadmin | one way, is to go over what has been done to change/upgrade your system between the last time it worked and the time it first failed |
| 23:53.21 | drasko | mentor, I used wifi-radar program |
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| 23:53.39 | drasko | But I get the same using iwconfig eth1 key XXXX...XX |
| 23:53.57 | gnoob | hmm I get a error when I try to aptitude install x11 .. tells me to dpkg --configure -a hmm? why would that be? |
| 23:54.30 | nsadmin | because your packaging database is in some weird/non-stable state |
| 23:55.35 | gnoob | hmm strange.. rebooted and same thing happened. Only thing I did after a fresh install was: aptitude install gpm xscreensaver.. hmm ill try to remove the screensaver and install it again after x11 |
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| 23:56.03 | nsadmin | why not try the suggested solution? |
| 23:56.07 | nsadmin | it |
| 23:56.08 | mentor | drasko: What wireless driver are you using? |
| 23:56.15 | nsadmin | is telling you what it needs |
| 23:56.22 | gnoob | tried that too |
| 23:56.26 | nsadmin | and? |
| 23:56.52 | nsadmin | are you mixing dists? |
| 23:57.07 | drasko | wl 1066276 0 |
| 23:57.07 | drasko | ieee80211_crypt 5124 2 ieee80211_crypt_tkip,wl |
| 23:57.14 | drasko | they are loaded... |
| 23:58.26 | moldovean | !wl |
| 23:58.26 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
| 23:58.56 | mentor | Ah well, I'll give up trying to debug that then |
| 23:59.04 | tuv | if i have 2 different pairs of identical disks, is there a point of using raid10, or should i just create two independent arrays, one per identical pair? |
| 23:59.32 | gnoob | crap.. ok found the problem.. i thought 550 MB was enough diskspace :\ looks like with X and screensaver I need more.. Ok problem solved atleast :) thanks nsadom |
| 23:59.40 | gnoob | *nsadmin |
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