| 00:00.02 | nsadmin | I have 65g in my /home alone :) |
| 00:01.00 | gnoob | Ive got the half :) |
| 00:01.10 | dsfwea23 | hi guys, I just installed debian on a disk with two other OS in it's own partition, as well as a unique /boot. I did not install grub since I had it already with ubuntu and had hoped that update-grub (grub-pc/2) would find debian and add it to the list... no such luck. Any advice? |
| 00:01.12 | prince_jammys | you named a directory after home alone? |
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| 00:05.34 | gnarface | dsfwea23: did you mark /boot bootable? |
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| 00:07.02 | dsfwea23 | gnarface, I didn't, it's a logical partition, will that work? I didn't think I needed bootable flag since grub is installed in the MBR of the drive. |
| 00:08.18 | gnarface | dsfwea23: as a logical partition, it will definitely still work, however you're right, i guess it shouldn't need it |
| 00:09.19 | dsfwea23 | I think the only problem is the ubuntu update-grub isn't finding the debian /boot partition |
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| 00:11.11 | moldovean | dsfwea23, why not install grub on debian then , and see |
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| 00:14.08 | dsfwea23 | moldovean, I didn't want to change the already working setup with windows/ubuntu. Didn't think adding an entry for debian would be a big deal. |
| 00:15.01 | coredump777 | Has anyone installed the puppet 2.6 packages that are on testing? I keep getting weird SSL errors :\ |
| 00:15.50 | drasko | In which format has to be WPA key for iwconfig command ? Hex ? How to get HEX key out of my WPA string ? |
| 00:16.31 | mentor | drasko: null |
| 00:16.38 | mentor | drasko: For WPA you need wpa_supplicant |
| 00:17.20 | drasko | mentor, what is this ? |
| 00:17.32 | drasko | this has to given to iwconfig command also ? |
| 00:17.50 | mentor | drasko: parse error |
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| 00:19.00 | drasko | All I have is WPA passphrase, auto-generated on my provider's modem configuration page |
| 00:19.17 | drasko | and this is some string of characters |
| 00:21.36 | coredump777 | nvm |
| 00:21.45 | coredump777 | recreated the certs while in debug and worked |
| 00:21.49 | coredump777 | god knows why |
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| 00:24.26 | gnarface | drasko: you can use either format |
| 00:24.35 | drasko | gnarface, no, I can not |
| 00:24.40 | gnarface | drasko: i think you have to put s: in front of the ascii version |
| 00:24.45 | gnarface | check the iwconfig manpage |
| 00:24.50 | drasko | gnarface, bash complains about symbols |
| 00:24.54 | gnarface | or maybe the wpa_supplicant manpage |
| 00:25.06 | gnarface | uh... know bash much? |
| 00:25.13 | gnarface | quote it or add \es |
| 00:25.25 | gnarface | or just put it in your /etc/network/interfaces like a normal person |
| 00:25.48 | drasko | after doing iwconfig on eth1 with what I think correct key it did not complained |
| 00:25.53 | drasko | but, I see IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"" Nickname:"" |
| 00:26.03 | gnarface | you need to specify essid as well |
| 00:26.05 | drasko | It does not write correct essid |
| 00:26.10 | drasko | I specified |
| 00:26.27 | jordanm | "key" is used for wep |
| 00:26.29 | drasko | iwconfig eth1 essid ddwifi key XXXX..XXX |
| 00:26.38 | gnarface | i promise you that if you read the manpage you will find instructions on how to put it into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:26.41 | drasko | jordanm, what to use for wpa |
| 00:26.52 | jordanm | drasko: I use wicd.. |
| 00:27.10 | jordanm | I think it has a curses interface |
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| 00:27.53 | drasko | jordanm, and what option to use with iwconfig for wap key ? |
| 00:28.04 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.06 | drasko | I do not see this in manpage |
| 00:28.29 | drasko | nope, just key is mentioned |
| 00:28.32 | gnarface | drasko: try the wpa_supplicant manpage |
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| 00:30.06 | drasko | this is some kind of daemon... but there is not much about usage. How do we use this ? |
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| 00:31.44 | jhutchins_lt | drasko: Use which? |
| 00:32.24 | gnoob | what do I need to make normal x work.. did install xorg x11 xserver-xorg-core |
| 00:32.52 | gnoob | I meen the normal X UI. with rightclick-menus and stuff :) |
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| 00:33.14 | ZNC-Titan | Where is QT4 used? |
| 00:33.39 | drasko | gnarface, so, I apsolutely need wpa_supplicant to run firs and then do iwconfig essid "my_net" key XXXX...XX ? |
| 00:34.09 | gnoob | when I now "startx" I get a xterm window inside a grey ugly background |
| 00:34.15 | ZNC-Titan | You me "your_net"? :D |
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| 00:34.18 | dsfwea23 | ok, so looks like I'm going to need a custom grub2 script, only thing I'm unsure about is that I used LVM + encryption, so do I use the blkid for the LVM pv as the UUID for root partition? |
| 00:34.21 | ZNC-Titan | jk |
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| 00:37.12 | drasko | I amtrying iwconfig eth1 essid "ddwifi", but after I can see with iwconfig : eth1 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"" Nickname:"". Why is it not configuring ? |
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| 00:38.55 | exaboy | postgresql-8.4: Depends: libpq5 (>= 8.4~0cvs20090328) but 8.3.11-0lenny1 is to be installed |
| 00:39.12 | exaboy | im not following what i need ot install as a prerequisit |
| 00:39.45 | exaboy | im trying to install a backport |
| 00:40.14 | gnarface | drasko: PROBABLY because you haven't even bothered reading the instructions |
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| 00:41.58 | Gomex | Hi |
| 00:42.22 | Gomex | Tomorrow is Debian Day, be Hhappy! :P |
| 00:43.03 | Gomex | tomorrow will be the Debian Day* |
| 00:43.09 | Gomex | Be happy! |
| 00:43.37 | DanDare | I didnt know theres any Debian day :p |
| 00:43.37 | exaboy | apt-get -t lenny-backports install postgresql-8.4 <-- fixed my issue |
| 00:43.43 | jordanm | hmm, I think they called last sunday "debian day" at debconf |
| 00:43.54 | Gomex | Yes |
| 00:43.55 | drasko | gnarface, I read the instructions for wpa_supplicant. It needs a cfg file, and as I understand it is not needed to be started. It offers some extra security, but not needed to connect to network. Giving essid and key to iwconfig should be sufficient. |
| 00:44.03 | ZNC-Titan | Debian day? |
| 00:44.03 | mentor | drasko: The wpasupplicant package in Debian comes with extensive documentation |
| 00:44.25 | mentor | drasko: WPA will only work with wpa_supplciant |
| 00:44.35 | Gomex | Tomorrow will be the birthday of Debian, right? |
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| 00:44.45 | Gomex | ZNC-Titan, Yes, Debian Day |
| 00:44.54 | ZNC-Titan | Ah cool |
| 00:45.11 | ZNC-Titan | I join Debian users just in time! |
| 00:45.21 | ZNC-Titan | says YESSSS! |
| 00:45.26 | DanDare | on that commonn place note: "everyday is Debian day" |
| 00:45.59 | DanDare | *mushy note |
| 00:46.09 | gnarface | drasko: you're right, it only needs the essid and the key, but you're providing them with wep syntax. that'll never work. the names of the configuration values are entirely different for wpa |
| 00:46.59 | aPpYe | why does mail server always get automatically selected in tasksel? |
| 00:47.01 | gnarface | drasko: and like mentor said... yes you DO need wpasupplicant |
| 00:47.57 | gnarface | aPpYe: lots of system processes rely on a local mail server for reporting purposes. don't worry it only sends and receives mail within the system by default |
| 00:48.01 | drasko | gnarface, mentor I am creating my wpa_supplicant.cfg right now and will run the daemon. Is -c and -B sufficient, or I should add some other options ? |
| 00:48.29 | gnarface | drasko: i just install wpa_supplicant then put the configs in my /etc/network/interfaces file... but there are probably multiple ways to do it |
| 00:48.45 | aPpYe | gnarface: so removing it will cause things to break? |
| 00:49.06 | jordanm | aPpYe: cron won't send you mail.. and various other things attempt to mail root |
| 00:49.32 | jordanm | aPpYe: it is only internal by default, like gnarface said |
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| 00:50.00 | aPpYe | okay, since I removed it already, reselecting it in tasksel should make things happy again, right? |
| 00:50.21 | Gomex | take a look: http://translate.google.com.br/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debianbrasil.org%2FGUD%2FBA%2FDiaDebian2010BaSalvador&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 00:50.50 | gnarface | aPpYe: i would suspect so. make sure if it asks you questions that you answer 'local mail only' or whatever... don't answer 'internet site' or 'smart host' unless you DO want to send and receive mail to the outside world |
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| 00:51.25 | jordanm | aPpYe: you can just install exim4 |
| 00:51.40 | jordanm | gnarface: you actually have to call dpkg-reconfigure on it for that |
| 00:52.29 | aPpYe | is there a way to make gnome's vino-server accept ONLY local connections? I tunnel into the machine via ssh and would like to enforce the security. |
| 00:52.49 | aPpYe | in older versions it was a checkbox under the "advanced" tab. |
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| 00:54.26 | aPpYe | jordanm: cool i will make sure I do that. |
| 00:55.09 | jordanm | aPpYe: it is how you want it by default, without configuration |
| 00:56.19 | aPpYe | you mean if I uncheck "all other users..." under sharing? |
| 00:56.37 | jordanm | aPpYe: no, I was still talking about exim4, no idea on vino |
| 00:56.42 | aPpYe | I meant "allow other users to view your desktop" |
| 00:56.46 | jordanm | aPpYe: you can always just block the traffic with iptables |
| 00:56.47 | aPpYe | ah. |
| 00:57.09 | aPpYe | jordanm: that is not somethign I have done. |
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| 00:58.55 | jordanm | iptables -I INPUT -d <ip> -p tcp --dport 5900 -j REJECT |
| 00:59.00 | jordanm | !tell aPpYe about iptables |
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| 01:02.35 | dsfwea23 | can anyone tell me what the root device for the kernel is usually when using LVM + crypto? is it a /dev/mapper/<logical_volume_name>? Or the blkid for the physical volume of the LVM? |
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| 01:24.47 | nickaugust | hey need some help! i upgraded my kernal to .32 to make my wifi work but i guess i was using an external keyboard because now the keyboard on the laptop doest work. im stck at pass phrase to decrypt boot lvm volume. now i can select the oldkernel .26 in grub and the keyboard worls but i have no wifi! and im in an airport. on my phone. sorry if i respond slow. how can i get the keyboard to work in .32 while booted in .26? |
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| 01:26.09 | gnarface | ouch nickaugust that's a tough one |
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| 01:26.29 | nickaugust | aaaarg! :/ |
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| 01:28.37 | nickaugust | worst part: free wifi in flight! |
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| 01:40.53 | Procule | Hello, Ext4 is getting me very mad about the latency and IO wait. When I have something writing on the filesystem, everything is almost stalled on the system. What would be a better filesystem ? Is XFS a good choice ? |
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| 01:43.05 | jordanm | Procule: what version of debian? |
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| 01:43.34 | Procule | I have ubuntu but it's quite the same |
| 01:44.07 | jordanm | !tell Procule about ubuntu |
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| 01:44.33 | Procule | Yeah I know that |
| 01:44.58 | jordanm | Procule: not really, when debian stable currently only has ext4_dev, that would not be used |
| 01:45.07 | jordanm | Procule: you should get support from your distro |
| 01:45.19 | Procule | I've used debian for years until I switched to ubuntu for a workstation since it was "easier" |
| 01:45.28 | Procule | but anyway, it's linux |
| 01:45.45 | Procule | I'm talking about filesystems here |
| 01:45.57 | jordanm | ##linux supports linux and filesystems. this is debian support |
| 01:46.22 | jordanm | !start a fs war |
| 01:46.23 | dpkg | FFS uses too much overhead! |
| 01:46.27 | Procule | lol |
| 01:46.32 | cast | Procule: why don't you go ask in #ubuntu ;) |
| 01:46.42 | Procule | they are all newbies |
| 01:47.04 | Procule | I always end to answer questions |
| 01:47.07 | cast | when you pick a distro you pick a community, too |
| 01:47.38 | Procule | I've never installed a ubuntu server in my company |
| 01:47.45 | Procule | always debian |
| 01:48.09 | cast | good for you. |
| 01:48.31 | Procule | just asking about filesystems, what would be better than ext4 |
| 01:48.46 | Tranquitos | fat16? :P |
| 01:48.52 | Procule | don't be so d3bi4n |
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| 01:49.29 | Procule | i've tried reiserfs some years ago |
| 01:49.31 | cast | stfw, thats what i did when faced with what FS questions |
| 01:49.48 | Procule | but is it still up to date ? |
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| 01:51.25 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 01:51.27 | Procule | aah come on... I thought the snob game was like 1998 |
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| 01:54.15 | Procule | hi ShapeShifter499 |
| 01:54.39 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm having a time with setting up drivers for my ATI Radeon HD 4200, can someone help? I'm running Debian Squeeze and I tried to install the proprietary drivers from the repo but if I add anything(and I mean anything) to /etc/X11/xorg.conf I can't boot into a graphical interface, when the xorg.conf file is blank everything boots like it should(it did this before installing the drivers) did I do something wrong? Please help |
| 01:55.40 | Procule | without a xorg.conf, xorg will guess the parameters with KMS |
| 01:57.04 | ShapeShifter499 | ya but the drivers aren't working, when I try to access the "ATI Catalyst Control Center" it fails |
| 01:57.04 | Procule | I have an ATI video card and I hate it since it's not supported well |
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| 01:57.27 | Procule | have you tried the radeon driver ? |
| 01:57.32 | ShapeShifter499 | one thing is they ran excellent in ubuntu |
| 01:57.56 | Procule | !tell ShapeShifter499 about ubuntu |
| 01:58.22 | Procule | lol @ jordanm |
| 01:58.32 | ShapeShifter499 | ? |
| 01:59.04 | Procule | you need the radeon driver |
| 01:59.22 | Procule | which is a community made driver |
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| 01:59.39 | Procule | not the proprietary driver |
| 01:59.48 | ShapeShifter499 | mhm so... |
| 01:59.49 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: you can use aticonfig --initial to generate a config for fglrx |
| 01:59.52 | simonrvn | it's an xorg driver... |
| 01:59.55 | ShapeShifter499 | what do I install |
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| 02:00.07 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: doesn't work |
| 02:00.09 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: that is what you are using already when you have no xorg.conf |
| 02:00.24 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: what doesn't work? the command or X after running the command? |
| 02:00.24 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: it can't seem to find and copy a correct xorg file |
| 02:00.33 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: you don't need one... |
| 02:00.44 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: wait let me run it again |
| 02:01.57 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: my whole system is playing games on me, the aticonfig --initial gave me an error saying can't find /etc/X11/xorg.conf but now it worked |
| 02:02.06 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
| 02:02.17 | ShapeShifter499 | REBOOT :D |
| 02:02.18 | ShapeShifter499 | brb |
| 02:02.19 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: its just a warning, it proceeds without |
| 02:02.30 | Procule | no need for at xorg.conf |
| 02:02.39 | Procule | a* |
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| 02:02.51 | jordanm | Procule: there is if he wants to use proprietary drivers |
| 02:03.19 | Procule | not for that card |
| 02:03.30 | jordanm | always for proprietary drivers |
| 02:03.53 | Procule | a lot of ATI cards doesn't work with proprietary drivers |
| 02:03.54 | Virindi | people use ubuntu for servers? why??? lol |
| 02:03.56 | Procule | that is one |
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| 02:04.37 | cast | Virindi: similar reasons to using windows i suppose |
| 02:04.43 | ShapeShifter499 | back |
| 02:04.53 | ShapeShifter499 | and now I'm uber confused |
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| 02:05.06 | jordanm | Procule: I just downloaded the pdf from ati that disagrees |
| 02:05.11 | ShapeShifter499 | it worked, and nothing changed between before and now |
| 02:05.12 | Virindi | I guess if people use winxp as a server or something |
| 02:05.14 | Procule | at least you uber boot |
| 02:05.18 | jordanm | Procule: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_106_linux.pdf |
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| 02:05.45 | ShapeShifter499 | wonders why ati drivers decided to work |
| 02:05.52 | Procule | jordanm, it said that for mine too, trust me, they are old drivers |
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| 02:06.02 | ZNC-Titan | Anyone here have a idea why one lost frame for audio causes video to stop? |
| 02:06.09 | ShapeShifter499 | does a chair dance =D |
| 02:06.09 | ZNC-Titan | V4L |
| 02:06.36 | ShapeShifter499 | yay now my system is perfect (till I break something D: ) |
| 02:07.26 | ShapeShifter499 | debian is much better for hardware support than ubuntu |
| 02:07.37 | Virindi | how so? |
| 02:07.39 | Procule | ZNC-Titan, in what situation ? |
| 02:08.22 | ZNC-Titan | Well when i watching my capture carx in vlc |
| 02:08.22 | ZNC-Titan | card* |
| 02:08.39 | ZNC-Titan | Itvworks for a little bit then that happens |
| 02:08.57 | ShapeShifter499 | ubuntu: headphone detection didn't work(both speakers and headphones played sound) debian: worked with a config file change(where ubuntu didn't) one example :D |
| 02:09.05 | Procule | have you tried xawtv ? |
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| 02:09.45 | ZNC-Titan | No. I will tommorow. But i need it for streaming. ;) |
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| 02:10.04 | ShapeShifter499 | well I g2g bye all |
| 02:10.07 | Virindi | ShapeShifter499: oh yeah, ubuntu runs pulseaudio now, it's total crap...it breaks everything |
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| 02:10.18 | Procule | Virindi, agree |
| 02:10.43 | Virindi | I couldn't play any video files until I removed it |
| 02:11.17 | Virindi | that and things like removing init.d really make ubuntu look dumb |
| 02:11.20 | _joey | what package is required to be installed to build binaries from sources? |
| 02:11.20 | _joey | thanks |
| 02:11.32 | Virindi | build-essential |
| 02:11.40 | Procule | ZNC-Titan, describe a little more your problem ? |
| 02:11.58 | jordanm | Virindi: ubuntu doesn't have a sysv init system? i knew there was that upstart replacement but... |
| 02:12.04 | Virindi | heh |
| 02:12.08 | Virindi | nope |
| 02:12.11 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 02:12.14 | Virindi | they totally removed sysv |
| 02:12.15 | Procule | aaaah |
| 02:12.22 | Procule | the upstart.... |
| 02:12.27 | Procule | I hate that |
| 02:12.34 | Virindi | it's horrible |
| 02:12.48 | Procule | since 9.10 |
| 02:12.52 | Procule | or 9.04 |
| 02:12.59 | Procule | it's more than horrible |
| 02:13.15 | ZNC-Titan | When i open v4l:///dev/video0 after a little bit(few mins) vlc starts says error capturibg new frame. |
| 02:13.45 | ZNC-Titan | I noticed it says that right after the first lost frame for audio |
| 02:14.01 | Procule | what progr |
| 02:14.11 | Procule | what program do you use for that ? |
| 02:14.12 | ZNC-Titan | VLC |
| 02:14.47 | Procule | maybe you could try to add more buffer size |
| 02:15.00 | ZNC-Titan | Do you know how? |
| 02:15.01 | Procule | and skipping |
| 02:15.08 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 02:15.17 | Procule | it's in the preferences |
| 02:15.26 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
| 02:15.53 | ZNC-Titan | Thanks. Will try tommorow. ;) |
| 02:16.06 | ZNC-Titan | Have a great night/day! |
| 02:16.08 | Procule | when the streams don't "enter" like it should, they loose sync |
| 02:16.23 | Procule | giving them more buffer size |
| 02:16.29 | Procule | could help |
| 02:16.34 | ZNC-Titan | Ah ok |
| 02:17.00 | Procule | well good luck |
| 02:17.26 | ZNC-Titan | Thanks |
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| 02:26.22 | amirman | hey, i have an issue. my UTC time is incorrect. i tried fixing the time with "date --set" but then the time on my windows xp partition gets messed up. |
| 02:26.55 | amirman | how can i set my UTC time without changing the time stored in CMOS? |
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| 02:27.33 | amirman | i would greatly appreciate any help anyone could give me. thanks |
| 02:27.59 | nsadmin | I have a suggestion... rather than having your clock set to UTC under linux, have it be local time |
| 02:28.04 | nsadmin | then, run ntp |
| 02:28.11 | HermanDE | Just arrived amirman |
| 02:28.22 | HermanDE | amirman, What's the prob? |
| 02:28.58 | North_Italian69 | Is it possible to rename the user folder "Desktop" in "desktop" w/o make problem to the system? |
| 02:28.59 | HermanDE | Has anybody go any advise for running exim and sendmail on the same machine? |
| 02:29.17 | amirman | hmm, i'm unfamiliar with ntp. on the debian admin manual it strongly suggests not using only local time, i'm not sure why though |
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| 02:30.19 | amirman | HermanDE: my UTC time is incorrect, when i use date --set it fixes it on debian but then the time is changed on windows |
| 02:30.41 | HermanDE | amirman, What does your BIOS clock say? |
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| 02:31.05 | HermanDE | amirman, Could windows be setting the BIOS to the local time. And Debian sets it to UTC. |
| 02:31.30 | amirman | HermanDE: that could be it. |
| 02:31.37 | nsadmin | amirman: if you run windows you should probably have your linux use local time. it's up to you to decide |
| 02:31.39 | HermanDE | amirman, Windows only believes in the time you tell it. |
| 02:32.02 | HermanDE | amirman, I'll bet that if you set your Windows to UTC, things will work fine. |
| 02:32.20 | amirman | i'll check the BIOS to confirm. thanks for the tips. i'll be back to report |
| 02:32.38 | amirman | have to pause wget |
| 02:32.42 | _joey | kernel-headers is all tha trequired? |
| 02:32.46 | HermanDE | Ok, now for the other question... Why dual boot? |
| 02:32.48 | _joey | to build sources? |
| 02:33.01 | nsadmin | sources of what? |
| 02:33.31 | nsadmin | the sources will typically have a README file or an INSTALL file, that tell you what the build requirments are |
| 02:34.29 | amirman | HermanDE: it's my personal laptop. i use windows sometimes. |
| 02:34.40 | nsadmin | also, to build sources written in what language? |
| 02:34.40 | _joey | nsadmin: go to hell |
| 02:34.43 | _joey | :) |
| 02:34.47 | amirman | steve balmer is my hero |
| 02:34.48 | _joey | what a funny person |
| 02:34.51 | _joey | do you ever sleep |
| 02:35.00 | _joey | binaries from sources, obviously |
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| 02:35.08 | nsadmin | written in? |
| 02:35.22 | _joey | rub two brian cells together |
| 02:35.42 | _joey | and figure out that 80% of software written on linux is in which language? |
| 02:35.48 | nsadmin | lern too spel |
| 02:36.01 | _joey | I thought you are funny man |
| 02:36.04 | nsadmin | either you tell me or you do your own research |
| 02:36.27 | _joey | fsck off |
| 02:36.30 | _joey | :) |
| 02:36.40 | _joey | nobody needs your help |
| 02:36.52 | nsadmin | I happen to be very familiar with the toolchain... either ask -politely- or do your own work |
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| 02:37.29 | _joey | which part of you didn't understand? |
| 02:37.32 | _joey | :) |
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| 02:38.32 | amirman | HermanDE: BIOS was set to localtime. i'm just going to change debian to use localtime instead of UTC. thanks for the tip. |
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| 02:40.22 | _joey | build-essential - that's the name of the package |
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| 02:40.31 | nsadmin | amirman: the thing about ntp and unix time variables, is they have microsecond adjustment variables as well as the variables that actually store the time info, and ntpd adjusts them |
| 02:41.16 | nsadmin | _joey: congratulations. your very first research effort has paid off. |
| 02:41.29 | _joey | nsadmin: let me ask a questio. do you ever sleep? |
| 02:41.39 | _joey | :) |
| 02:41.46 | amirman | nsadmin: i'll check it out. thanks for the info |
| 02:41.50 | nsadmin | why should I sleep during the day? |
| 02:41.52 | nsadmin | welcome |
| 02:42.07 | _joey | you've been sitting here all day long |
| 02:42.18 | User_007 | hello, i use to download every full source of new stable kernels, like 2.6.35.2 of today. How can i get it by git and save some time downloading? |
| 02:42.33 | _joey | regardless you are ... you know who you are:) |
| 02:43.00 | jhutchins_lt | Some of us do not have the expected human life cycles. |
| 02:43.15 | jhutchins_lt | Sleep is often optional. |
| 02:43.49 | HermanDE | amirman, Here to serve.... |
| 02:43.50 | nsadmin | amirman, oh, and the point of saying that, is that -maybe- you can get an ntp driver for windows... but I'm not so sure it will work properly, because ntp works by making successive adjustments to those vars. |
| 02:44.03 | jhutchins_lt | IRC is often indistinguishable from sleep. |
| 02:44.09 | jhutchins_lt | Or death for that mater. |
| 02:44.12 | _joey | I don't mind what others are doing; but nsadmin is a little odd, he is sitting here all day long harassing people when they ask genuine questions |
| 02:44.33 | _joey | such as - what is the name of the package to build .deb packages? |
| 02:44.57 | nsadmin | there is not just one package |
| 02:44.58 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Windows has had NTP compatibility since '95, and I could probobably implement it in 3.x. |
| 02:45.01 | _joey | remembering the name is such an achievement for him:) |
| 02:45.02 | User_007 | i want to use just stable kernels btw |
| 02:45.47 | nsadmin | _joey: have you considered software that doesn't need build-essential at all? |
| 02:45.50 | jordanm | User_007: stable kernel in debian is .26 |
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| 02:46.16 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Or .32 depending on how you count. |
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| 02:47.09 | nsadmin | that is, the kernel that is considered stable by debian... meaning it was tested with the stable-dist packages... |
| 02:47.23 | User_007 | jordanm, ok, but i want to use self compiled kernel, and it works well. i just want help to download the stable sources using git to save some time. |
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| 02:48.29 | nsadmin | User_007: the first time you grab the kernel by git, you will have to download the whole thing. after that, you can update and such, and it will use diffs |
| 02:49.09 | nsadmin | you'll also need to become familiar with git |
| 02:49.39 | User_007 | ok, |
| 02:50.04 | _joey | nsadmin: get ... :) |
| 02:50.07 | _joey | oh man |
| 02:50.13 | _joey | go way, will you? |
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| 02:51.58 | nsadmin | _joey: why are you busy harrasing users when you should be reading the debian packaging manual |
| 02:52.37 | nsadmin | maybe you'll understand a bit more about how packaging works |
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| 02:53.55 | _joey | who are users? You are not users :) |
| 02:53.56 | User_007 | nsadmin, will i have to download all branches if i want just the stable one? |
| 02:54.06 | nsadmin | I hope not :) |
| 02:54.09 | _joey | and who is harrasing who |
| 02:54.29 | _joey | i am not talking to you - i am telling to get away and you won't :) |
| 02:55.17 | User_007 | nsadmin, can you point me a fast git guide? |
| 02:55.50 | nsadmin | I've never used git before, but I'm sure it's pretty similar to tla/bzr/bzr2 |
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| 02:56.52 | DanDare | Someone used to PHPbb3 on Debian? I just installed package, now, how to access the admin page ? |
| 02:56.53 | nsadmin | there's actually a coupla google videos on git, one by the author (Torvalds) who describes it |
| 02:57.06 | DanDare | Cant see any subdir in /var/www |
| 02:57.11 | nsadmin | but you don't want that one, you want the other one |
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| 02:57.28 | dondelelcaro | DanDare: the documentation in /usr/share/doc/phpbb3/ should tell you what to do next |
| 02:57.29 | nsadmin | DanDare: dpkg -L it |
| 02:57.40 | DanDare | nice, thanks guys |
| 02:58.00 | nsadmin | that should at least tell you where the files are |
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| 02:58.24 | DanDare | Yeah, nice listing |
| 02:58.46 | nsadmin | including docs too |
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| 03:06.08 | User_007 | nsadmin, can you help me to find the git adress for linux kernel? |
| 03:06.54 | nsadmin | I think so |
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| 03:08.05 | nsadmin | first... this link: http://www.google.com/search?q=git+kernel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 03:08.25 | nsadmin | is the search result from google when searching for git kernel |
| 03:08.43 | User_007 | nsadmin, of course i have already done that |
| 03:08.45 | nsadmin | the first link shows projects on git.kernel.org |
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| 03:08.55 | User_007 | done it too |
| 03:09.00 | nsadmin | the second is kernel hacker's guide to git |
| 03:09.11 | User_007 | where can i find it? |
| 03:09.17 | nsadmin | second link |
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| 03:09.46 | User_007 | in git.kernel.org? |
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| 03:10.43 | nsadmin | no, in the link I posted... but wait, there's a bit more |
| 03:11.06 | nsadmin | searching again, this time for git tutorial resulted in: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=git+tutorial&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=git+t&gs_rfai= |
| 03:11.26 | User_007 | i already know how to use git... |
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| 03:11.45 | nsadmin | so is the kernel not at git.kernel.org? |
| 03:12.05 | User_007 | if i put that it tries to download all the kernels ever |
| 03:12.43 | User_007 | i just want the last stable |
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| 03:13.16 | JohninLex | wow Close to 900 tonight |
| 03:13.26 | nsadmin | oh, ok... and probably all other projects on that site as well |
| 03:13.42 | User_007 | yes |
| 03:13.49 | nsadmin | see, I warned ya :) you may know how to use git... but I don't... |
| 03:14.01 | JohninLex | do we have any Debian users that use Awesome in here? |
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| 03:14.43 | User_007 | nsadmin, i tried git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git but it gets all kernels ever... |
| 03:15.02 | nsadmin | all 2.6 kernels you mean? |
| 03:15.15 | nsadmin | or will you also get 0.0.1 :) |
| 03:15.37 | nsadmin | the most historical kernel ever :) |
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| 03:16.38 | User_007 | not, just all the 2.6 |
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| 03:18.51 | Vivek | I would like to reply to 592708@bugs.debian.org using my gmail.com account. |
| 03:20.10 | Vivek | What Subject line shoud I use, what is the format of using an external mail client to submit bugs or reply to a bug report ? |
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| 03:20.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vivek: any subject line you want, but ideally one that has meaning for the bug |
| 03:21.19 | Vivek | ok |
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| 03:21.47 | Vivek | Kamping_Kaiser: That is is an already reported bug, just want to provide my feedback. |
| 03:22.46 | nsadmin | since the bug already exists, the complainant has probably used reportbug which gave some system info |
| 03:22.59 | nsadmin | do you need to supply your own system info? |
| 03:23.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vivek: thats what i'm talking about |
| 03:23.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vivek: for reporting bugs you should use reportbug, unless you already know what extra details you need to add |
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| 03:32.03 | Vivek | Kamping_Kaiser: ok |
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| 03:39.39 | pzn | how to see how many bytes where is in a block device (ex: /dev/sda2) instead of "dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/null" and see dd output :-) ? |
| 03:39.48 | pzn | s/where/there |
| 03:40.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | could you rephrase the question? |
| 03:42.09 | stew | pzn: sfdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 03:42.27 | stew | or fdisk -l |
| 03:42.41 | stew | those will tell you the number of 1k blocks |
| 03:42.54 | pzn | stew, a generic block device... /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 /dev/vg0/something... how can I know how many bytes there is available in a block device? |
| 03:45.24 | stew | dunno |
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| 03:50.11 | jmarsden | pzn: If the device looks at all like a disk, then sudo fdisk -l /dev/whatever should tell you? |
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| 03:50.43 | pzn | jmarsden, the devices look like /dev/sda1, not like /dev/sda :-( |
| 03:50.53 | pzn | can't run fdisk on a partition |
| 03:51.04 | Rusty1 | pzn http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1027037/determine-the-size-of-a-block-device any help? |
| 03:52.04 | jmarsden | pzn: Rusty1 has it: blockdev --getsize /dev/sda1 |
| 03:52.58 | pzn | jmarsden, Rusty1 nice! blockdev --getsize worked as expected! |
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| 03:54.27 | Rusty1 | pzn GIYF |
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| 03:59.06 | pzn | Rusty1, you are right... I should have googled more |
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| 04:04.53 | JohninLex | how do I add testing to sources.list please CLI |
| 04:05.14 | JohninLex | I am in the sources.list right now and any help would be very greatful |
| 04:06.43 | User_007 | just trade all stable or lenny by testing or squeeze |
| 04:06.57 | User_007 | then apt-get update or aptitude update |
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| 04:11.37 | nsadmin | you shouldn't -add- testing... testing and stable don't work together... you -upgrade- to testing (if that's what you want) |
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| 04:18.40 | Raptors | Does anyone know how to change the firefox plugin path? |
| 04:19.08 | Raptors | I installed 32 bit firefox on my 32bit system but its looking in the location where the 64bit plugins are located |
| 04:19.24 | User_007 | does anyone know how to get an specific branch with git? |
| 04:22.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | afaik with git branch, if your installed version is recent enough |
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| 04:26.35 | Raptors | anyone? |
| 04:26.59 | User_007 | git branch shows me the branches i can choose, but since they are already installed |
| 04:27.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Raptors: I guess it's per user? |
| 04:28.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Raptors: in which case look in $USER/.mozilla |
| 04:28.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | User_007: erp, sorry i meant --branch, but since i don't see that in my git man page, i may have remebered wrong anyway |
| 04:29.30 | User_007 | thank you anyway |
| 04:29.56 | Raptors | LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so [/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64] |
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| 04:30.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Raptors: you've mixed 64 and 32 bit? That won't work |
| 04:31.12 | jpinx-eeepc | as you can see from the erroe |
| 04:31.18 | jpinx-eeepc | error - even,... |
| 04:31.46 | Raptors | I'm not mixing anything, I want to find a way to change the firefox 32bit path |
| 04:31.53 | Raptors | its looking there by default |
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| 04:33.52 | Procule | hey a totally non "computer related" question |
| 04:34.27 | Procule | has anyone had problem with the ulnar nerve in their arm ? |
| 04:35.14 | Procule | the nerve that controls the small finger and the middle of the next one |
| 04:35.57 | nsadmin | wikipedia? if you're having trouble with yours, see dr |
| 04:36.15 | Procule | oh I now what I have |
| 04:36.31 | Procule | I just want to see if it's common |
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| 04:36.40 | Procule | know* |
| 04:36.45 | nsadmin | wikipedia for that too maybe |
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| 04:37.03 | nsadmin | or there might be an online PDR |
| 04:37.25 | Procule | aaah the snobism |
| 04:37.55 | Procule | i was just asking if anybody had those problems |
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| 04:49.06 | simy | How is everybody! |
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| 05:12.25 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i have an ipod touch and i have tried amorak, banshee and rhythmbox to try to move music on the device but it doesn't seem to list the device in any of those apps but the device icon is shown on the desktop and i'm able to browse it, any thoughts? |
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| 05:13.04 | voss749 | who makes an easy to install usb version of debian |
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| 05:15.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | define 'easy' |
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| 05:23.07 | cast | voss749: debian.org does. |
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| 05:41.11 | kermiac | hey people. I'm looking to install debian into a vm. what is the 'best' way to do this? Should I download the netinstall iso? or is there an easier way to do it so that I don't have to download too many extra packages |
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| 05:42.21 | Dewi | kermiac: well, netinstall needs to download during install |
| 05:42.36 | Dewi | kermiac: so if you're doing it a lot of times it's probably not so efficient |
| 05:43.19 | kermiac | Hi Dewi. Yes I understand that, does it download much just for a 'standard' gnome desktop? |
| 05:43.19 | Dewi | kermiac: I'm not sure. I don't use gnome. |
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| 05:44.07 | kermiac | i only need to do this for 2 or 3 machines at the moment so I don't think that downloading the whole set of dvd images is the best option for me or whether i should just use the netinstall iso |
| 05:44.35 | Dewi | kermiac: oh |
| 05:44.42 | Dewi | kermiac: you don't need the whole set |
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| 05:45.04 | Dewi | kermiac: if you got just 1 CD image you'd get basically everything it sounds like you need |
| 05:45.43 | Dewi | (the discs are ordered by popularity) |
| 05:47.13 | kermiac | Dewi: ok, thanks. I didn't know that. So you're saying i should grab http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso (I know this is 'testing' & undertand the implications of that) |
| 05:47.28 | kermiac | and it should have most of what i need to do an install? |
| 05:47.58 | Dewi | kermiac: I'd expect so. Note that there is an alpha release |
| 05:48.51 | Dewi | kermiac: oh actually, it looks pretty old |
| 05:49.18 | kermiac | Dewi: there is? I'm sorry mate, I haven't followed the debian cycle. |
| 05:49.49 | Dewi | kermiac: yeah it's from february tho. I have no idea which you'll have more luck with. Weekly is probably a good choice if you don't want to upgrade from lenny |
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| 05:50.17 | kermiac | ok, thanks for your help Dewi, I really appreciate it |
| 05:50.44 | Dewi | kermiac: squeeze just froze so in theory it should start stabling up around now |
| 05:50.45 | Dewi | :P |
| 05:51.05 | ultron | hi.... i need to find some files and then delete .... how can i do it ..... im thinking somethin like -------> find . -name "*.mp3" | rm , but wont work |
| 05:52.20 | mtx_init | does debian have a init script config file, which lists what daemons should be started upon boot? or does one need to use one of the many special apps? |
| 05:52.46 | prince_jammys | find . -type f -name '*.mp3' -exec echo rm {} + |
| 05:52.59 | prince_jammys | ... and remove the 'echo' if you like the output. |
| 05:53.49 | prince_jammys | ultron: 'rm' does not read filenames from stdin. Runner-up crappy approach is 'xargs', which sucks for other reasons. |
| 05:54.26 | prince_jammys | find ... -exec is what you want. |
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| 05:55.47 | ultron | prince_jammys: got it ... thx :) |
| 05:55.53 | prince_jammys | welcome |
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| 06:35.26 | atude | Hi, I'd like to have my volume buttons(Fn+F10/F11) work on my netbook in gnome. How should I go about doing this? I tried to set the hot key but the Fn+<any key> combination is not read at all... |
| 06:37.52 | nsadmin | try running xev |
| 06:38.01 | nsadmin | and hitting the key combo you want |
| 06:38.18 | nsadmin | just to see if it is mappable |
| 06:38.32 | atude | nothing |
| 06:38.57 | atude | I hit F11, read. I hit FN+F11, nothing |
| 06:39.06 | atude | goes for the rest of the keys, same pattern |
| 06:39.40 | simonrvn | you could use one of those multimedia key apps that run in the background listening for such events. |
| 06:39.51 | simonrvn | keytouch, hotkey, etc. |
| 06:39.55 | simonrvn | !search |
| 06:39.55 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 06:40.07 | atude | there's nothing within gnome to have it set at all? |
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| 06:42.22 | nickaugust | ok so i upgraded to .32 to fix my wifi but i have been using it with an exernal keyboard and i discovered today that it doesnt work with the regular laptop keyboard. so i can boot into .26 fine. is there any way i can fix the problem that .32 has with not recognizing the keyboard while booted into .26? |
| 06:42.44 | nickaugust | kernel version that is. im on stable with .32 kernel backport |
| 06:43.39 | nickaugust | i dont have an external keboard here to boot into .32 and mess with it... i guess it could wait till next week when i get home but then no wifi while im traveling this weekend :/ |
| 06:44.53 | the-dude | nickaugust: upgraded to a stock kernel? |
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| 06:45.21 | nickaugust | the-dude: hm? i upgraded to .32 from lenny backports |
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| 06:48.12 | rozie | nickaugust: what udev do you have? backports one or Lenny one? |
| 06:48.31 | nickaugust | rozie: ah, lenny one I assume let me look |
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| 06:50.05 | rozie | and have you tried to unplug external keyboard, then reboot laptop? |
| 06:50.49 | rozie | can you choose kernel in grub then? can you reboot system with ctrl-alt-del? can you use keyboard in text mode? |
| 06:51.00 | nickaugust | rozie: im not sure how to check the version of udev |
| 06:51.15 | nickaugust | yes.. so i can choose .26 in grub and it works fine (except wifi) im on it now |
| 06:51.22 | nickaugust | i dont have the keyboard with me anymore |
| 06:51.41 | nickaugust | so when i boot .32 now i cant type anything.. cant even type in my passphrase to unlock the volumes |
| 06:51.58 | rozie | nickaugust: apt-cache policy udev |
| 06:52.14 | nickaugust | im pretty sure it will work with the external keyboard when i can get one.. but im trying to fix it while booted into .26 |
| 06:52.16 | nickaugust | rozie: thx |
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| 06:52.24 | rozie | it'll show insatlled version, where it comes from, and candidates |
| 06:52.50 | nickaugust | Installed: 0.125-7+lenny3 |
| 06:53.05 | rozie | is there candidate from backports? |
| 06:53.22 | nickaugust | shows candidate as the same in there |
| 06:53.31 | nickaugust | i'll search backports and see what comes up |
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| 06:54.22 | alison | hello, when i try to ssh into my server i get the message "Received disconnect from 172.16.0.250: 2: fork failed: Not enough space". Is this referring to hard-disk space or memory? |
| 06:55.19 | rozie | nickaugust: cannot see udev on backports |
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| 06:55.59 | nickaugust | rozie: yeah i just see udev which is already isntalled obviously |
| 06:56.02 | nickaugust | hm |
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| 06:57.23 | rozie | nickaugust: can you check output on lsusb (and lsusb -v) on 2.6.26 and 2.6.32? |
| 06:57.50 | nickaugust | rozie: only on .26 till i get home monday (unless i find a keyboard at the hotel somewhere) |
| 06:58.10 | rozie | on 2.6.32 you'll need probably run script from rc.local or crontab |
| 06:58.20 | rozie | #!/bin/bash |
| 06:58.44 | rozie | lsusb >> /home/nickaugust/usbdebug.txt |
| 06:58.45 | nickaugust | heres the lsusb -v output from .26 http://sprunge.us/dPTH |
| 06:58.46 | rozie | ;-) |
| 06:59.08 | nickaugust | lsusb -v | url :) |
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| 07:00.34 | rozie | nickaugust: Bus 006 Device 003: ID 05ac:021a Apple, Inc. Internal Keyboard/Trackpad (ANSI) |
| 07:00.48 | rozie | check if it's visible under 2.6.32 |
| 07:01.06 | foetus | hello people - if i give an argument with a leading slash (path or file) as var (eg /etc/config), and do ./"$var" (eg ./"/etc/config"), would it be well interpreted by bash then? |
| 07:01.16 | nickaugust | rozie: can i do that without booting .32? |
| 07:01.24 | rozie | nickaugust: no. |
| 07:01.47 | foetus | (#bash is not responding) |
| 07:01.52 | rozie | but as I told, you can add entry to crontab/rc.d, which will run it automatically |
| 07:02.06 | nickaugust | rozie: ah yes.. sorry missed that! |
| 07:02.07 | rozie | and reboot back to 2.6.26 to check result |
| 07:02.19 | nickaugust | ahhhhhhh... gotcha! |
| 07:03.12 | rozie | you can also check grep -i apple /boot/config... |
| 07:03.37 | rozie | to check if modules are compiled |
| 07:04.35 | rozie | and you can compare output of lsmod from both kernels |
| 07:05.09 | rozie | and you can add apple realted modules to /etc/modules |
| 07:06.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | foetus: just try it |
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| 07:07.35 | foetus | Kamping_Kaiser: it works. but i'm not sure, if its a clean way.. |
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| 07:17.30 | aPpYe | why is print server selected in tasksel by default in tasksel after a default install? I just installed squeeze. |
| 07:17.55 | aPpYe | lol ... my wording was weird there... |
| 07:18.50 | project2501a | aPpYe: yeah that is a pet peeve of mine as well. apparently cups is installed by default if you add a desktop system |
| 07:19.17 | project2501a | the bluetooth stack as well. |
| 07:20.58 | aPpYe | cups is "print server?" I thought print server meant like a network server kind of thing... |
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| 07:44.11 | nickaugust | rozie: i dont think the rc.LOCAL script is running.. does that run before the boot lvm volume is decrypted? |
| 07:44.52 | rozie | nickaugust: probably not. if your / is on this lvm - for sure not |
| 07:45.22 | rozie | grep -i apple /boot/config... (both kernels) |
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| 07:57.34 | nickaugust | rozie: "grep -i apple /boot/config..." the command? "/boot/config... no such file or directory |
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| 08:03.27 | rozie | nickaugust: you should have your kernel config files there |
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| 08:03.44 | rozie | ls /boot/config and press [tab] |
| 08:04.23 | nickaugust | ah |
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| 08:06.00 | rozie | I don't know what's the exact procedure of mounting encrypted lvm |
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| 08:10.42 | nickaugust | rozie: it loads the usb stuff before it gets to the decryption part. the only difference between the two grep -i apples was the .32 had a "CONFIG_HID_APPLE=m" but the other lines were all the same |
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| 08:11.45 | rozie | nickaugust: can you tell me exact difference? which line is present, which is missing in which kernel? |
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| 08:12.03 | rozie | CONFIG_HID_APPLE is responsible for keyboard |
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| 08:13.02 | nickaugust | rozie: http://sprunge.us/SgOI |
| 08:13.46 | nickaugust | funny because the one that works doesnt have that line. maybe i should remove it? |
| 08:14.25 | rozie | don't think so |
| 08:14.36 | rozie | it probably had other name |
| 08:14.50 | rozie | can you paste your lsmod output? |
| 08:15.26 | nickaugust | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.13 | rozie | nickaugust: take a look http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/HID_APPLE.html |
| 08:16.23 | nickaugust | rozie: ok thanks |
| 08:17.44 | rozie | nickaugust: it looks like the name of the module is hid-apple |
| 08:18.09 | rozie | before recompilation with =Y you could just |
| 08:18.19 | rozie | echo hid-apple >> /etc/modules |
| 08:18.28 | rozie | and try to reboot to 2.6.32 |
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| 08:27.26 | nickaugust | rozie: echo hid-apple.ko >> /etc/modules ? |
| 08:28.13 | nickaugust | as in echo /lib/modules/2.6.32-bpo.4-686/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-apple.ko |
| 08:28.15 | nickaugust | ? |
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| 08:29.18 | nsadmin | you shouldn't need the path, and you may or may not need the extension |
| 08:29.29 | nickaugust | nsadmin: thx |
| 08:30.18 | nickaugust | actually it gives me permisison denied... both with and without the extension |
| 08:30.22 | nickaugust | and with sudo |
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| 08:30.55 | nickaugust | nm su works |
| 08:30.57 | nsadmin | permission denied? |
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| 08:31.25 | nickaugust | i guess you cant 'sudo echo hid-apple >> /etc/modules' but after su it works |
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| 08:33.12 | nsadmin | maybe you don't have sudo set up, or maybe it's because echo is a builtin |
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| 08:34.45 | rozie | nickaugust: you need root to modify this file |
| 08:35.09 | rozie | and no .ko at the end |
| 08:35.16 | rozie | just module name |
| 08:35.22 | rozie | which is hid-apple |
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| 08:36.28 | nickaugust | yeah the command worked but the keyboard still doesnt work when i boot 32 |
| 08:36.45 | nickaugust | so i need to recompile the 32 kernel with the =Y ? |
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| 08:40.18 | nickaugust | rozie: can i just recompile this module or do i have to recompile the entire kernel? |
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| 08:41.29 | nsadmin | did you compile a module for the current running kernel? |
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| 08:43.07 | thomasfuston | is there any working tutorial out there, on how to create an debian usb install stick |
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| 08:43.37 | nickaugust | nsadmin: i didnt compile an modules |
| 08:44.45 | nickaugust | thomasfuston: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 08:44.48 | nickaugust | like that? |
| 08:45.05 | cahoot | http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebas/weblog/1 |
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| 08:46.42 | nickaugust | rozie: ok im going to sleep now im getting delerious :) i'll stay online nd check any messages you leave. tanks so much for the help so far i think its pretty much worked out |
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| 08:47.07 | nickaugust | s/tanks/thanks |
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| 08:47.25 | rozie | nickaugust: you could recompile kernel. no other ideas. let me know if you solve it |
| 08:47.30 | rozie | nickaugust: g'nite |
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| 08:49.52 | thomasfuston | nickaugust: i got an working iso on the stick, but it dont boot on my netbook |
| 08:51.16 | nickaugust | thomasfuston: afaik not all BIOSs can boot from USB |
| 08:51.22 | nickaugust | rozie: gnight ;) |
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| 08:53.05 | jpinx-eeepc | thomasfuston: you need to check your BIOS |
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| 08:53.34 | jpinx-eeepc | thomasfuston: normally by holding F1 or F4 during boot |
| 08:53.59 | jpinx-eeepc | or maybe Esc - it seems to vary on different machines |
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| 08:56.50 | thomasfuston | jpinx-eeepc: kk well i set in bios boot on usb, and it does work, he try it but i guess, something is wrong witht he stick, but i cant figure out whats wrong |
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| 08:57.32 | thomasfuston | i copied the debian iso, with dd if=iso-file of=/dev/usbstick to usbstick |
| 08:57.41 | thomasfuston | so if iam not wrong usually this should work? |
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| 08:58.08 | cahoot | http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebas/weblog/1 - read this thomasfuston ? |
| 08:58.19 | rozie | thomasfuston: it won't work, unless its very special iso |
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| 08:59.55 | jpinx-eeepc | thomasfuston: what did you dd onto the stick? and where did you get it? |
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| 09:00.20 | bintut | waves |
| 09:00.36 | bintut | i have an svn setup |
| 09:00.48 | bintut | i have a repo that comes with 3 different projects (sub-directories) inside the repo. now, i wanted to transfer the repo to a different server and i wanted to separate the 3 different projects to each on their own repo |
| 09:00.55 | bintut | meaning, from /repo/proj1 to /proj1 , from /repo/proj2 to /proj2 , and from /repo/proj3 to /proj3 |
| 09:01.02 | bintut | i have dumped the revisions that belongs to proj1, proj2 and proj3 |
| 09:01.09 | bintut | but i noticed that the directories for the other projects are dumped in the proj1 and to the rest of the projects |
| 09:01.16 | bintut | how can exclude the other directories from being dumped that does not belong to the intended project? |
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| 09:01.35 | bintut | please advice.. thank you.. ;) |
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| 09:02.37 | thomasfuston | cahoot: i done this earlier with some kde iso, but the "netinst" iso seems no more avail able with that link on that page |
| 09:03.29 | cahoot | well it's a few years old so you need find the present version |
| 09:03.43 | cahoot | !netinst |
| 09:03.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 09:09.10 | jpinx-eeepc | thomasfuston: you need the proper image on your USB stick - see what dpkg said |
| 09:10.24 | thomasfuston | jpinx-eeepc: so the netinst.iso is the only iso which work like this? or is it possible to use any iso? |
| 09:11.20 | jpinx-eeepc | only the netinstall iso afaik |
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| 09:11.53 | nsadmin | any iso? there are a lot of isos in this world... |
| 09:13.30 | thomasfuston | nsadmin: well i mean any debian iso? |
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| 09:14.09 | nsadmin | -maybe- business card, and -maybe- cd 1 |
| 09:14.18 | nsadmin | but netinst, yes |
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| 09:14.54 | thomasfuston | ok, i guess the reason, i used another iso in first try -.- well thx so far for the information |
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| 09:30.34 | ridoo | jelly-home, http://pastebin.org/482127 |
| 09:30.59 | ridoo | jelly-home, why you think I mixed debian releases? |
| 09:31.58 | jelly-home | ridoo: because your first output can't possibly happen with just lenny that you seem to have enabled at present |
| 09:32.07 | spliffi | nsadmin: yes my Xen dom0 |
| 09:32.26 | spliffi | actually I want to use that iptable rule in my Xen dumU |
| 09:32.51 | spliffi | but I've got the kernel from the testing repo |
| 09:33.03 | spliffi | via aptitude |
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| 09:33.46 | spliffi | nevertheless I tried the same rule on a bare lenny 2.6.26-2 kernel....doesn't work either |
| 09:33.47 | ridoo | jelly-home, i had my backports un-commented in source.lst .. but commented back now .. so i should run on the normal sources now .. however, i'm wondering about the '500 http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages' .. is 500 the html response? |
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| 09:34.08 | nsadmin | when you say "doesn't work" what exactly do you mean? |
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| 09:34.31 | spliffi | the error appears that I mentioned above |
| 09:34.34 | jelly-home | ridoo: pastebin the complete output and the complete command used, please |
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| 09:34.59 | nsadmin | and have you also determined that the kernel is looking for a .so? |
| 09:35.17 | spliffi | iptables v1.4.2: Couldn't load match `socket':/lib/xtables/libipt_socket.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:35.20 | spliffi | that's the error |
| 09:35.21 | ridoo | jelly-home, did I miss some statement of yours? which command? (sorry) |
| 09:35.26 | spliffi | yes I did |
| 09:35.33 | nsadmin | wait, that's a lib |
| 09:35.35 | jelly-home | ridoo: oh, you think in the apt-cache policy output? No, that's apt priority for that package. |
| 09:35.41 | spliffi | it's looking for a .so so I recon I need to recompile the entire kernel ? |
| 09:35.49 | nsadmin | that's not a kernel module |
| 09:35.56 | spliffi | no it's not |
| 09:36.07 | spliffi | it wants it built into the kernel |
| 09:36.07 | jelly-home | ridoo: (for a certain package version from a certain source) |
| 09:36.15 | spliffi | but why....that sucks |
| 09:36.36 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.59 | spliffi | not at all, and it's not a *.ko but a *.so |
| 09:37.09 | nsadmin | which is a shared lib |
| 09:37.13 | spliffi | can you try the rule on your machine? |
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| 09:37.18 | spliffi | should do sth. weird |
| 09:37.19 | nsadmin | or "shared object" |
| 09:37.26 | ridoo | jelly-home, ok .. I could install git-core now .. (I think, my backports messed up) .. anyway, sth still broken with my installation, since not git init is possible anymore |
| 09:37.27 | spliffi | shouldn't |
| 09:37.30 | nsadmin | repeat the rule? |
| 09:37.35 | ridoo | got a permission error |
| 09:37.45 | spliffi | iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m socket -j ACCEPT |
| 09:38.13 | ridoo | jelly-home, perhaps you have a clue: http://pastebin.org/482133 |
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| 09:39.11 | jelly-home | ridoo: no idea, sorry. does the mentioned source file exist? Does your used have permission to write to the destination directory? |
| 09:39.14 | ridoo | on #git they told me, that my installation is corrupt, so I reinstalled |
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| 09:39.34 | jelly-home | ridoo: reinstalled what? |
| 09:40.08 | ridoo | jelly-home, reinstalled git-core .. (btw: sourcefile exist and permissions to write on destfolder exist too) |
| 09:40.21 | jelly-home | spliffi: iptables package from lenny doesn't have support for -m socket. |
| 09:40.47 | nsadmin | oh, that would be it |
| 09:40.53 | nsadmin | I get the same thing |
| 09:41.00 | jelly-home | spliffi: use dpkg -L iptables to see which modules _are_ available |
| 09:41.02 | spliffi | that's weird, I've got the rule from a docu |
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| 09:41.17 | jelly-home | spliffi: did "docu" say it worked with debian 5.0? |
| 09:41.39 | jelly-home | ,versions iptables |
| 09:41.41 | judd | iptables -- etch: 1.3.6.0debian1-5; lenny: 1.4.2-6; squeeze: 1.4.8-3; sid: 1.4.9-1 |
| 09:41.59 | spliffi | in an upper section it's realted to ubuntu |
| 09:42.06 | spliffi | thought would be similiar then |
| 09:42.15 | jelly-home | spliffi: why do you expect it to apply to debian? |
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| 09:42.26 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 09:42.26 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 09:42.29 | nsadmin | we;re not quite caught up; it might work in squeeze |
| 09:42.33 | spliffi | thought ubuntu and debian share a lot of things |
| 09:43.05 | nsadmin | so now we know what the Proper Way isn't... |
| 09:43.16 | spliffi | so what do you recommend? I try to set up the dionaea honeypot and used its docu |
| 09:43.26 | jelly-home | the Proper Way is -- learn your tools. |
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| 09:44.11 | jelly-home | spliffi: backport iptables if you need that exact functionality, or adapt the rules to something which works with iptables 1.4.2 |
| 09:44.29 | jelly-home | has no idea what -m socket does |
| 09:45.17 | jelly-home | !tell spliffi about ssb |
| 09:46.11 | spliffi | jelly-home: ACCEPT all connections to existing services which is first bound to a socket, it's a dynamic server, whenever a request comes to a port the SYN package will be frozen until the server bound aservice to that specif port which didn't exist before |
| 09:46.36 | spliffi | frozen with nfqueue |
| 09:47.37 | jelly-home | if you're using a kernel containing that functionality, you'll need a version of iptables userspace that matches your kernel to be able to configure it |
| 09:47.41 | spliffi | it's a honeypot as I said |
| 09:49.04 | nsadmin | you'd still need the matching iptables |
| 09:49.09 | jelly-home | or, as nsadmin suggested, use debian testing |
| 09:49.25 | nsadmin | maybe you could backport iptables |
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| 09:50.02 | nsadmin | jelly-home, does iptables building require kernel module compiling? |
| 09:50.18 | jelly-home | no. |
| 09:50.50 | thomasfuston | hmm i done everything in this article http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebas/weblog/1 but stilll the usbstick wont boot on my nettop |
| 09:50.58 | spliffi | @jelly-home: thx a lot with iptables testing it works ! |
| 09:50.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it needs relevant kernel headers afair, haven't done that in a while |
| 09:51.13 | spliffi | awesome |
| 09:51.14 | nsadmin | does that iptables have the lib thing /lib/xtables/libipt_socket.so? |
| 09:51.42 | jelly-home | spliffi: don't mix binary packages from different debian releases though, that way lies pain and disappointment |
| 09:51.44 | spliffi | yes it soes |
| 09:51.46 | spliffi | does |
| 09:52.15 | nsadmin | spliffi, you'll have to watch out next time you use aptitude/apt-get/dpkg |
| 09:52.43 | jelly-home | spliffi: instead, upgrade to squeeze. |
| 09:52.49 | jelly-home | !tell spliffi about lenny->squeeze |
| 09:52.57 | spliffi | ok thx I will stick to your advice |
| 09:53.08 | nsadmin | that would keep things together packagewise |
| 09:53.31 | nsadmin | if things work now, make sure you watch out before using those commands |
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| 09:53.50 | spliffi | actually it doesn't have /lib/xtables/libipt_socket.so but libxt_socket.so |
| 09:53.51 | ridoo | jelly-home, I think I broke sth when turning off backports .. there was a transitional package from git => gnuit which in backports is git-core or git-all now |
| 09:54.09 | nsadmin | which implies your installation is a bit fragile |
| 09:55.48 | jelly-home | ridoo: I'm repeating myself, but... "what was the exact command used?" that resulted in "unmet dependency (git-all: Depends: git (> 1:1.7.1))"? |
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| 09:55.55 | ridoo | jelly-home, fyi: a "sudo apt-get -t lenny-backports install git-all" did the trick |
| 09:56.23 | jelly-home | ridoo: good |
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| 10:03.54 | nsadmin | spliffi: so the solution you have now has resolved the iptables thing, but made your installation (actually your packages database) a bit fragile... |
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| 10:04.50 | nsadmin | if you upgrade everything to testing, things should be less fragile, but then testing is a (much slower) moving target |
| 10:05.20 | nsadmin | the choice is yours |
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| 10:07.14 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day and good morning all |
| 10:08.20 | spliffi | so just grabbing one package from testing and switching back to stable repos could cause packgae conflicts later on, right? |
| 10:09.17 | DDRP | Rebuild the package using pbedbuild |
| 10:09.19 | DDRP | job done |
| 10:09.20 | spliffi | If you use sth. like apticron to update your packages automatically, would it downgrade iptables the next time it runs? |
| 10:09.25 | DDRP | *pdebbuild |
| 10:10.10 | nsadmin | what you could do, is try: aptitude install iptables |
| 10:10.15 | nsadmin | and see what happens |
| 10:10.24 | spliffi | yep |
| 10:11.30 | nsadmin | could it cause conflicts? maybe |
| 10:11.45 | nsadmin | you already had the testing kernel |
| 10:12.00 | spliffi | well it seems to work, at least with iptables, no changes made |
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| 10:13.39 | nsadmin | so then if you periodically update (is that ever a good idea? :), it won't downgrade iptables |
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| 10:15.28 | sawyer__ | hi! i was wondering if anyone could guide me to how to compile something on Debian ARM against the Google Bionic libc library |
| 10:15.45 | sawyer__ | i think Debian got a few stuff compiled against it |
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| 10:16.15 | nsadmin | libc is a very core lib |
| 10:16.40 | nsadmin | there are a lot of precautions to take because of that |
| 10:17.02 | jacekowski | debian has nothing compiled against bionic |
| 10:17.03 | sawyer__ | hmmm... such as? |
| 10:17.09 | sawyer__ | ah.. :( |
| 10:17.16 | jacekowski | replacing libc will break your system |
| 10:17.18 | sawyer__ | the android devs aren't very helpful |
| 10:17.22 | jacekowski | everything depends on it |
| 10:17.28 | sawyer__ | jacekowski, i want to compile only one specific application against it |
| 10:17.33 | jacekowski | yeah, because bionic isn't for normal users |
| 10:17.39 | nsadmin | oh, this is for android? |
| 10:17.42 | jacekowski | sawyer__: app has to be designed to work with bionic |
| 10:17.45 | sawyer__ | nsadmin, yes |
| 10:17.56 | jacekowski | bionic is nowhere close to libc |
| 10:18.03 | sawyer__ | jacekowski, oh.. i see.. |
| 10:18.05 | sawyer__ | damn it |
| 10:18.06 | jacekowski | and libc apps will not compile against bionic |
| 10:18.14 | sawyer__ | so the only valid option is cross-compiling? |
| 10:18.23 | jacekowski | what are you trying to do? |
| 10:18.30 | sawyer__ | i'm trying to natively compile Perl for android |
| 10:18.38 | jacekowski | not going to work |
| 10:18.42 | sawyer__ | i'm using a debian arm qemu image |
| 10:18.49 | jacekowski | not if you are asking that sort of questions |
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| 10:19.00 | jacekowski | you would have to port perl to bionic |
| 10:19.07 | sawyer__ | oh wow.. |
| 10:19.14 | sawyer__ | not as easy task, i reckon |
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| 10:19.26 | jacekowski | and that's probably about ~2-3 months of work |
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| 10:20.05 | jacekowski | android was never designed to run native apps |
| 10:20.09 | jacekowski | even linker is different |
| 10:20.20 | jacekowski | that's why android sucks |
| 10:20.22 | jacekowski | maemo FTW |
| 10:20.24 | sawyer__ | heh |
| 10:20.34 | sawyer__ | so basically i'll have to cross-compile it |
| 10:20.42 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:20.51 | jacekowski | cross compilation isn't going to help |
| 10:20.57 | jacekowski | you still have to port it to bionic |
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| 10:21.15 | nsadmin | he's saying you might actually have to change the perl source to make it work |
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| 10:21.31 | nsadmin | or create a wedge |
| 10:21.34 | jacekowski | unless you will have full linux userland on a phone |
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| 10:21.52 | jacekowski | because it may be simpler to modify to work with android kernel |
| 10:21.59 | jacekowski | because it's not so much different from mainline |
| 10:22.11 | sawyer__ | hmm... |
| 10:22.25 | jacekowski | but there are things that are missing on a phone anyways |
| 10:22.28 | jacekowski | there is no X on android |
| 10:22.33 | sawyer__ | i think i could push perl patches through |
| 10:22.39 | sawyer__ | it'd be easier than kernel patches, i reckon |
| 10:23.09 | sawyer__ | jacekowski, i don't need X, obviously |
| 10:23.39 | sawyer__ | so basically i can _try_ and compile against bionic.. fail, and then try to make the proper changes in perl to be able to successfully compile it against bionic |
| 10:23.48 | sawyer__ | is that a viable plan? |
| 10:23.51 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:23.59 | jacekowski | but be prepared to spend long hours at it |
| 10:24.08 | Sia- | is possible to use aspell spellcheker in iceweasel or not? debian testing! |
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| 10:24.26 | jacekowski | just install it and it should work ootb |
| 10:24.26 | sawyer__ | jacekowski, i'll contact the perl 5 porters (dev group) and ask people for help on this |
| 10:24.27 | jacekowski | iirc |
| 10:24.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | sawyer__: gl :) |
| 10:24.49 | sawyer__ | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks :) |
| 10:24.53 | sawyer__ | jacekowski, thank you for your time :) |
| 10:24.57 | jacekowski | and bionic is poorly documented |
| 10:25.09 | jacekowski | and build system is incompatible with anything else |
| 10:25.09 | sawyer__ | :/ |
| 10:25.23 | sawyer__ | do you know of any guide to working with bionic? |
| 10:25.28 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:25.48 | jpinx-eeepc | googles bionic |
| 10:25.55 | nsadmin | maybe one or more of the perl porters do |
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| 10:26.28 | sawyer__ | it was originally cross-compiled for it but had patches done against it (which weren't documented) and the current version can't cross-compile |
| 10:26.42 | sawyer__ | i've asked the developers about this and they said that cross-compiling is not supported very much |
| 10:27.14 | nsadmin | which means native.... compilation... on... a... PHONE... |
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| 10:28.38 | sawyer__ | nsadmin, i'm running a QEMU debian arm image and i was able to successfully compile Perl there |
| 10:28.45 | sawyer__ | but it was against gnu libc and not bionic |
| 10:29.37 | jacekowski | hmm, static perl |
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| 10:30.09 | jacekowski | + foring it to use /bin/linker or whatever instead of lib/ld.so |
| 10:30.13 | jacekowski | forcing* |
| 10:30.15 | jacekowski | that could work |
| 10:31.13 | nsadmin | well if it's not gnu ld, the argument syntax would be different |
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| 10:32.28 | sawyer__ | jacekowski, so bionic has a different linker as well... |
| 10:32.37 | sawyer__ | so i'll have to set up an entire environment |
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| 10:32.49 | jacekowski | yeah, but because it's staticaly linked all linker would have to do is load image to memory |
| 10:33.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | does bionic have a different linker, or android? |
| 10:34.07 | jacekowski | linker is part of libc so it's bionic |
| 10:34.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | ta |
| 10:34.31 | jacekowski | basicaly android has nothing in common with linux |
| 10:34.38 | jacekowski | kernel is based on linux |
| 10:34.42 | jacekowski | but it's modded as well |
| 10:34.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | *heh*. with gnu... |
| 10:34.53 | jacekowski | and userland is completely different |
| 10:35.07 | sawyer__ | jacekowski, i heard they hired a few people to just integrate things back into mainline kernel |
| 10:35.15 | jacekowski | it still differs |
| 10:36.07 | jacekowski | and it's slow |
| 10:36.28 | jacekowski | 600MHz Cortex-A8 running maemo is faster than android on 1GHz snapdragon cpu |
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| 10:38.14 | jacekowski | partialy because cortex is much better architecture |
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| 10:39.06 | nsadmin | what's a Cortex? is that another phone? |
| 10:39.10 | Ikarus | it's a mix of two things, the Cortex has a higher IPC (and better DSP) AND Maemo uses the 3D hardware for compositing, while Android does that in software |
| 10:39.11 | jacekowski | cpu |
| 10:39.13 | Ikarus | nsadmin: it's the CPU |
| 10:39.24 | daft | Cordtex is the new ARm processor |
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| 10:39.28 | daft | that can be dual core |
| 10:40.08 | daft | I'm really waiting for the 1st meego phone. and try to hack kde on to it :) |
| 10:40.29 | daft | or wait 6 months before the real kde for mobiles comes along |
| 10:40.34 | jacekowski | omap4 will wipe everything else |
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| 10:40.56 | jacekowski | 2 cortex-a9 cores + powervr + dsp |
| 10:41.03 | jacekowski | + IVA + ISP |
| 10:41.20 | jacekowski | running at more than 1GHz |
| 10:41.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | laptop on chip |
| 10:41.55 | jacekowski | and it can decode HD video with less than 1W of power |
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| 10:42.01 | Innocentus | hi people |
| 10:42.14 | Innocentus | how can I find out if my apache2-httpd server is using prefork or rather worker? |
| 10:42.17 | Ikarus | Kamping_Kaiser: current OMAP 3 is already laptop on a chip (the new 720Mhz clocked one) |
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| 10:42.44 | jacekowski | well, n900 is based only on one omap3 chip |
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| 10:42.50 | jacekowski | + some supporting chips |
| 10:43.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ikarus: nice. i don't follow hardware atm, so its all news to me ;) |
| 10:43.10 | Ikarus | OMAP 4 has one neat trick though, 2 good framebuffers |
| 10:43.16 | Ikarus | one with LCD driving and one with HDMI |
| 10:43.17 | jacekowski | power managment ic for omap + ARM based modem ( rapuyama ) |
| 10:43.24 | daft | well the android has a major patent issue with oracle |
| 10:43.41 | Ikarus | daft: well duh, Dalvik is essentially Java without calling it that |
| 10:43.43 | cast | ...system on a chip or laptop on a chip? |
| 10:43.48 | Ikarus | cast: laptop |
| 10:43.58 | Ikarus | cast: ie, it is capable of running laptop type loads |
| 10:44.27 | Innocentus | And who helps me? :) |
| 10:44.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ikarus: hdmi? hm |
| 10:44.32 | jacekowski | soon arm may have real chance of replacing x86 |
| 10:44.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | Innocentus: check which packages you have installed... |
| 10:44.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | Innocentus: dpkg -l apache* |
| 10:44.54 | Ikarus | jacekowski: for people who want Linux netbooks it probably will |
| 10:44.55 | Innocentus | but how to check which of them is activated? |
| 10:45.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | Innocentus: iirc you can only install one at once |
| 10:45.23 | jacekowski | Ikarus: dpkg -l | grep apache | grep mpm |
| 10:45.25 | Ikarus | I am rebuilding an old Thinkpad 701 (10.4" "laptop" with butterfly keyboard) to a ARM based netbook |
| 10:45.26 | daft | errr inno if the MPM module is loaded |
| 10:45.33 | Ikarus | jacekowski: -> Innocentus |
| 10:45.37 | jacekowski | ii apache2-mpm-worker 2.2.15-5 Apa |
| 10:45.42 | Innocentus | apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 10:45.44 | Innocentus | ok |
| 10:45.47 | Innocentus | how to switch to worker? |
| 10:45.51 | Innocentus | because worker is much better |
| 10:45.55 | Ikarus | anyway, let's take the offtopic chatter to #debian-offtopic |
| 10:45.55 | jacekowski | apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker |
| 10:46.02 | jacekowski | worker isn't better |
| 10:46.12 | jacekowski | well, worker has certain advantages |
| 10:46.31 | jacekowski | but for pure dynamic workloads prefor + mod_perl/php/python is the best option |
| 10:46.41 | Ikarus | it highly depends on the applications you'll be running |
| 10:47.15 | Innocentus | OK |
| 10:47.16 | jacekowski | as soon as you start hosting static stuff then fcgi starts to generate less load than mod_* |
| 10:47.26 | Innocentus | thank you - but how can I install php5 for apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 10:47.38 | jacekowski | you have to run fcgi php |
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| 10:48.26 | daft | now we talk about apache. I have wrote a php project to make the best use of VMware esx. but keeping the application servers and the databases split. (make snapshot of app server and back up the database) but if i do sertain calls the entire apache server hangs. It is not used for any thing else but anoying |
| 10:49.12 | jacekowski | besides, you can get current worker from /server-info |
| 10:49.25 | jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/server-info |
| 10:49.33 | jacekowski | MPM Name: Worker |
| 10:49.34 | jacekowski | MPM Information: Max Daemons: 8 Threaded: yes Forked: yes |
| 10:49.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | jacekowski: you work on maemo? |
| 10:49.49 | jacekowski | yes |
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| 10:50.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | hugs jacekowski |
| 10:51.10 | jacekowski | why? |
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| 10:51.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | i like it. (dont own anything running it, but i still like it) |
| 10:51.49 | jacekowski | ah |
| 10:52.03 | jacekowski | i own n900 |
| 10:52.42 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 10:52.44 | jacekowski | i have to go |
| 10:52.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'later |
| 10:52.56 | jacekowski | 36% of battery left |
| 10:53.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | will consider it if the battery charging blob gets freed |
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| 10:53.18 | jacekowski | Kamping_Kaiser: you don't want to see that blob |
| 10:53.23 | jacekowski | Kamping_Kaiser: it will melt your eyes |
| 10:53.45 | jacekowski | there is so much cruft in it |
| 10:53.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | jacekowski: hehe, i'll take your word for it |
| 10:53.54 | jacekowski | and what's more fun about it |
| 10:54.01 | jacekowski | i've reversed modem firmware as well |
| 10:54.11 | jacekowski | and found part of codes that are same in modem firmware and bme |
| 10:54.27 | jacekowski | - modem has connection to battery as well |
| 10:54.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | oookay. |
| 10:54.45 | spliffi | is it possible to let one NIC use multiple dhcp offers in a syntax like eth0:0 eth0:1 ... ? |
| 10:54.53 | jacekowski | partialy because it's using same modem as less powerfull phone use |
| 10:55.05 | jacekowski | but in less powerfull phones that modem chip runs whole phone |
| 10:55.40 | jacekowski | in n900 it is just reduced to doing purely modem only stuff |
| 10:55.41 | spliffi | hm probably not because they all share the same MAC... |
| 10:55.42 | spliffi | hm |
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| 10:57.10 | jacekowski | well, having multiple ip addresses one nic isn't the best idea anywys |
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| 10:58.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | nod |
| 10:58.38 | nevyn | jacekowski: it's a really good idea. |
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| 10:58.53 | nevyn | it let's you have multiple ssl websites on a single host |
| 10:59.04 | nevyn | all sorts of neat ideas. |
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| 11:12.48 | th0r | seeking some advice about debian releases. I used suse for years,then tried ubuntu and stuck with it for apt-get. For various reasons I want now to move to something else so am giving debian a try. Would I be better off with Lenny or Squeeze now that Squeeze is frozen? |
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| 11:13.40 | abrotman | th0r: it may still have bugs, depends on your ability to deal witht hose bugs |
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| 11:14.01 | abrotman | th0r: of course, you can just try it, and if you don't like it, try the other |
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| 11:14.43 | th0r | well, now that I am retired I just play anyway. Major bugs that kill the system would be annoying, but minor issues wouldn't be a hassle. I can recompile and do a little hacking. |
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| 11:15.20 | sauvin | I have friends in another channel who say squeeze is very usable in present state. |
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| 11:16.25 | th0r | what I do want is repos that are going to be around a while. If I had my way whatever I put in would be my OS for the remainder...getting too old to keep going through the upgrade hassle |
| 11:16.30 | abrotman | it is, i'm just saying there may still be serious bugs |
| 11:16.38 | CharminTheMoose | sauvin, I find it quite usuable atm, but am currently having bit of trouble, but nothing system breaking. |
| 11:16.58 | sauvin | What kind of trouble? |
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| 11:17.35 | sauvin | th0r, with its two year (or more) release cycle, I don't think debian will trouble you much :D |
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| 11:18.02 | CharminTheMoose | X seems to not clear the screen when exiting (ctrl + alt + del) or switching to a virtual terminal (ctrl + alt + F keys). |
| 11:18.02 | th0r | sauvin: that is a big reason I have been looking at Debian...I like that idea |
| 11:18.47 | sauvin | I'm using debian lenny simply because I don't want to be bothered with lots and lots of tweaking. I've not tweaked lenny one tiny bit. |
| 11:18.53 | CharminTheMoose | As in, my mouse cursor disappears, and I can enter commands into bash, but can't see anything on the screen apart from my WM with no mouse cursor. :/ |
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| 11:19.12 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: nvidia/ati binary drivers? |
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| 11:19.57 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, intel 910 driver IIRC. |
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| 11:20.10 | abrotman | hasn't noticed that problem and has some intel card in here |
| 11:20.51 | CharminTheMoose | :/ |
| 11:22.04 | CharminTheMoose | Interestingly, I upgraded my system yesterday and managed to exit X and reboot the system to make sure everything was grand and only after I rebooted did this problem occur. |
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| 11:23.57 | th0r | CharminTheMoose: I have killed more systems by 'upgrading' than I can count. That is why I am hoping in debian to get one system working and stick with it. |
| 11:24.39 | sauvin | th0r, how important is it to have the "latest and greatest" software? |
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| 11:25.16 | th0r | sauvin: not important at all. If it supports odf and h264 then it should be sufficiently up-to-date for my uses |
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| 11:26.02 | Virindi | that's why I like debian stable |
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| 11:26.14 | Virindi | you don't have to upgrade for years and years |
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| 11:28.03 | sauvin | One of the minor reasons I ditched fedora was exactly that: six months? Pfha. |
| 11:28.58 | sauvin | (two major reasons is that debian can run rings around fedora in terms of speed, and... well... RPM could make the baby $deity cry. |
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| 11:30.16 | th0r | speed is a concern for me...spent my career at network optimization and enjoy making older hardware live again |
| 11:30.50 | jacekowski | well, apt is slow |
| 11:30.56 | jacekowski | yum is slow |
| 11:31.03 | jacekowski | there is no fast package manager |
| 11:31.12 | th0r | yeah, but apt isn't a daily operation (or at least I hope it wont be <smile>) |
| 11:31.25 | jacekowski | and HAM on maemo is really slow |
| 11:31.30 | sauvin | Oh, yum or apt, makes no difference, either is going to be SLOW, but that's also just a once in a while thing. |
| 11:31.49 | jacekowski | it takes minutes to load application list |
| 11:32.02 | sauvin | On a multitasking OS, this is a problem? |
| 11:32.49 | jacekowski | well, yes |
| 11:33.13 | jacekowski | because it makes whole system run slo |
| 11:33.14 | jacekowski | slow* |
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| 11:36.32 | xx1 | i fail to grasp why this is being discussed |
| 11:36.44 | th0r | xxl: because I asked about it |
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| 11:38.11 | th0r | thank you gentlemen for your opinions. Still not sure if I will use Lenny or |
| 11:38.35 | xx1 | i think you're better off with a ubuntu LTS |
| 11:38.36 | th0r | squeeze....but will give debian a try as it seems it will fit my requirements |
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| 11:39.08 | th0r | xx1: nope...too parochial, and the support channel has deteriorated quite a bit over the last year or so |
| 11:39.16 | glick | hey does anyone know of a way i can use linux to record my outgoing telephone conversations |
| 11:39.17 | xx1 | and you're trying to avoid maintenance where you shouldn't |
| 11:39.18 | glick | ? |
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| 11:39.49 | th0r | xx1: and since when has long term operability been anti-linux? |
| 11:39.54 | thrashold | glick: You need to specify what kind of telephone type and hardware are you using. |
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| 11:40.44 | cast | i just like to clarify, yum is HELL slow |
| 11:40.50 | xx1 | th0r: how is that anti linux? |
| 11:41.00 | glick | thrashold, just a regular lan telephone |
| 11:41.06 | glick | connected through my modem |
| 11:41.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | where tf did the 'anti linux' meme come from? i don't see it o.o |
| 11:41.16 | th0r | xx1: I had servers running for years without upgrades...that is the whole idea, and what I want in my laptop now |
| 11:41.18 | xx1 | me neither |
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| 11:41.32 | thrashold | glick: Well, any sound recording applications should be able to do it. |
| 11:41.47 | xx1 | th0r: servers operate in different environments then laptops |
| 11:42.08 | th0r | well...this is getting off topic. Thanks for the help on debian guys |
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| 11:42.36 | xx1 | unless your laptop has no internet connection, you'd still face a lot more threat then your server behind a good firewall |
| 11:42.44 | glick | thrashold, ? |
| 11:42.51 | xx1 | oh well |
| 11:42.55 | xx1 | he knows better |
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| 11:43.46 | thrashold | glick: Configure your recording sources on your sounds hardware, and then run a sound recording app. |
| 11:43.52 | xx1 | perfect, soon we will see him again asking why suspending his laptop doesn't work on a 2.4 kernel |
| 11:44.17 | glick | thrashold, is a phone through the modem considered sound hardware? |
| 11:44.29 | abrotman | doubtful, he'd have to try pretty hard to get it to boot with a 2.4 kernel :) |
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| 11:44.52 | thrashold | glick: It might be that the modem is either sound hardware, or is connected to one. If it isn't, there isn't sound going to the PC to record anything. |
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| 11:45.05 | xx1 | i tried my best; a man can only do so much |
| 11:45.18 | thrashold | I don't know what a modem means in this context, though |
| 11:45.32 | xx1 | a modem modulates signal |
| 11:45.39 | thrashold | The things I know as modems had outputs that could be connected to the soundcard, but that was few millennia ago |
| 11:45.44 | xx1 | and demodulates |
| 11:46.49 | xx1 | glick: can you describe the cable wirings? |
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| 11:47.50 | xx1 | suspects it's a dialup/adsl setup |
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| 11:48.21 | glick | xx1, lan line into modem, and lan phone into modem |
| 11:48.45 | xx1 | what is the modem model? |
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| 11:49.22 | thrashold | That doesn't sound right. I'd say one of the two things isn't "lan" |
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| 11:49.42 | xx1 | and what do you mean with lan? |
| 11:49.47 | abrotman | land ? |
| 11:49.52 | xx1 | oh, right |
| 11:49.53 | xx1 | lol |
| 11:50.09 | glick | lol |
| 11:50.15 | glick | i always thought it was lan |
| 11:50.19 | abrotman | glick: you want to use the modem has a pass-thru .. put the carrier cable in one side, the phone cable in the other .. not sure if you can use that to record though |
| 11:50.36 | glick | maybe ill need specalty equipment |
| 11:50.41 | glick | but it will probably use windows |
| 11:50.50 | glick | meh, i dont care, ill use windows then if need be |
| 11:50.51 | abrotman | radio shack? |
| 11:51.24 | xx1 | i think you only need to just "tap" the signal and pass it thu your soundcard |
| 11:51.37 | xx1 | thru |
| 11:51.40 | cast | lol, lan line into modem |
| 11:52.37 | thrashold | So, is it land line and land phone, or lan line (whatever that is) and lan phone (whatever that is)? |
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| 11:53.05 | xx1 | 13:50 < glick> i always thought it was lan <-- implies "land" |
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| 11:53.47 | thrashold | If it is the land phone connected the way abrotman described (which seems to be the case), recording isn't possible in any easy way, at least I wasn't successful doing it years ago :) |
| 11:54.39 | abrotman | and your modem would have to be seen by alsa too ? |
| 11:54.58 | thrashold | Either that, or have sound jacks |
| 11:55.10 | thrashold | er, connectors |
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| 12:04.37 | aovidal | how i install GTK framework in my Debian Squeeze KDE? thnks! |
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| 12:04.53 | jtheuer | hi, I have an rsyslog forwarding local2 to another rsyslog host. which host adds the IP information? the sending or the recieving host? |
| 12:06.20 | stack | hi, does nautilus should automount lvm volumes? |
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| 12:07.16 | ZNC-Titan | How do i install v4l2? |
| 12:07.20 | cast | is this a philosophical question, i think it shouldn't |
| 12:07.48 | cahoot | ZNC-Titan: should come with the kernel |
| 12:08.04 | stack | mhh, When I plug a drive whit lvm volumes I must do lvchange -a y /dev/thevolumename/etc |
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| 12:08.20 | stack | then if I do gvfs-mount -li I see should_automount=0 |
| 12:08.53 | ZNC-Titan | So v4l2:///dev/video0 should open it? |
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| 12:10.41 | cahoot | ZNC-Titan: what are you attempting? |
| 12:11.07 | ZNC-Titan | To get my capture to stay running |
| 12:12.03 | ZNC-Titan | I want to see if v4l2 works better. |
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| 12:12.27 | cahoot | ZNC-Titan: IIRC it's up to the program you use |
| 12:12.56 | ZNC-Titan | Well vlc. But i believe vlc shoulc let me use v4l2 |
| 12:13.22 | ZNC-Titan | Maybe i should ask on videolans channel. :/ |
| 12:13.28 | cahoot | do that |
| 12:13.43 | ZNC-Titan | Ok |
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| 12:27.49 | Gomex | Hi! |
| 12:28.09 | ZNC-Titan | Hi |
| 12:28.19 | Gomex | Debian Day It's happening here |
| 12:28.20 | Gomex | :D |
| 12:28.34 | Gomex | in Brazil |
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| 12:30.48 | ZNC-Titan | :) |
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| 12:35.39 | reverendkjr | hello |
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| 12:51.38 | project2501a | hey guys. i got a terminal screen painted red by an aborted d-i. how do i turn i reset the terminal? i tried stty sane, but no worky worky |
| 12:53.07 | mischief | the graphical installer allows me to choose between a generic initrd and a targeted initrd, how can i reconfigure that later if i want? |
| 12:54.33 | abrotman | mischief: dpkg-reconfigure IIRC |
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| 12:54.54 | mischief | dpkg-reconfigure what? |
| 12:55.16 | abrotman | the kernel package .. like linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 or whatever you have |
| 12:55.21 | mischief | ah |
| 12:57.17 | petemc | project2501a: tried 'reset' ? |
| 12:57.18 | mischief | oh thats cool -.- the installer locked up.. |
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| 13:00.51 | Reith | failure in debian torrent must be discussed here? |
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| 13:01.47 | daft | Reith, i think that for the user the Debian torrent downloader is seen as Debian. |
| 13:02.19 | Reith | ok, i'm Gentoo use! :D |
| 13:02.29 | Reith | s/use/user |
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| 13:03.09 | abrotman | failure how |
| 13:03.10 | abrotman | ? |
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| 13:04.47 | Reith | abrotman: thanks, can't connect to torrent tracker |
| 13:05.05 | Reith | abrotman: it's here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 13:05.30 | abrotman | you probably don't want alpha1, and you definitely don't want the DVDs |
| 13:05.43 | abrotman | you do realize those are from february right ? |
| 13:06.14 | Reith | abrotman: it's my firend's link. he wants frozen images |
| 13:06.35 | abrotman | they're useless, they're six months old and 'testing' has change a massive amount since then |
| 13:06.48 | abrotman | Perhaps he'd rather use Lenny? |
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| 13:10.17 | Reith | abrotman: sorry, so it's not frozen squeeze torrents |
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| 13:10.36 | abrotman | Reith: squeeze is frozen, not released, it is still going to change quite a bit |
| 13:10.50 | abrotman | Reith: Does this person not have DSL or broadband ? |
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| 13:11.50 | abrotman | Reith: please keep it in the channel |
| 13:11.53 | stack | for when is a release planned? |
| 13:12.00 | abrotman | stack: no set date |
| 13:12.11 | Reith | abrotman: thanks, he has, but connections speed limited and torrent is much faster for him |
| 13:12.13 | stack | k , thansk. |
| 13:12.29 | abrotman | Reith: so he's downlading the DVDs? not you? |
| 13:13.02 | Reith | abrotman: yes, but i check torrents, i have same problem |
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| 13:13.15 | Reith | Reith: i'm not Debian user |
| 13:13.16 | abrotman | Reith: right, but downloading all those DVDs will take much more bandwidth than using the netinst |
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| 13:13.52 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso .. that would be a much better way to go |
| 13:13.56 | Reith | abrotman: ok, is there packages on HTTP direct link? |
| 13:14.14 | abrotman | Reith: you use the netinst, it installs a base system, and hten downloads the rest of stuff from the internet |
| 13:14.32 | Reith | abrotman: thanks ;) |
| 13:15.10 | abrotman | Reith: in general, this is the recommended way .. it saves a pretty good amount of bandwidth... Your friend isn't going to install everything from those 5 DVDs .. so why download them all |
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| 13:16.05 | Reith | abrotman: excuse me, i'm confused, i heard (from you) that packages dont released yes? |
| 13:16.21 | ThrAnCh | hiiiiiiiiii |
| 13:16.23 | abrotman | it's not .. squeeze is frozen, this means it won't have any major changes, but there will stlil be changes |
| 13:16.31 | ThrAnCh | chanel of ayuda ???? |
| 13:16.38 | ThrAnCh | channel of help ???? |
| 13:16.42 | ThrAnCh | asterisk channel ??? |
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| 13:16.54 | abrotman | ThrAnCh: /msg alis list *asterisk* |
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| 13:17.43 | Reith | abrotman: thanks, i know what frozen means in Debian release. but i don't know it's can downloaded from torrent or not. |
| 13:17.52 | Reith | sorry for bad english :D |
| 13:18.06 | abrotman | Reith: it just doesn't make a lot of sense .. the DVDs would be out of date tomorrow |
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| 13:18.18 | ThrAnCh | :( |
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| 13:19.08 | Reith | abrotman: very thanks, excuse me for lose your time |
| 13:19.15 | TimmyT | Thanx abrotman and tanx Reith |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | Reith: that's what we're here for .. hopefully i helped |
| 13:19.46 | TimmyT | I have gotten what u mean |
| 13:19.50 | TimmyT | abrotman: He was asking for me |
| 13:19.55 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 13:20.00 | H2S04 | /buffer 2 |
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| 13:20.47 | TimmyT | abrotman:I was in root and I couldn't post anything, I just was watching |
| 13:20.57 | ThrAnCh | ¬¬ |
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| 13:21.01 | abrotman | TimmyT: oh, you can't speak in here as root |
| 13:21.17 | abrotman | !irc as root |
| 13:21.17 | dpkg | (from Net::IRC comments) <crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!" |
| 13:21.53 | abrotman | TimmyT: anyways, the netinst is genrally a better way to do an install if oyu have broadband |
| 13:22.32 | TimmyT | abrotman: tanx for information |
| 13:22.43 | abrotman | enjoy! |
| 13:23.41 | ThrAnCh | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm speak english :( |
| 13:24.03 | TimmyT | abrotman: sorry for this silly question, but when the stable release of squeeze will be out? |
| 13:24.15 | ThrAnCh | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 13:24.20 | ThrAnCh | debian + hosting ??? |
| 13:24.23 | abrotman | there is no definite date, they'll release when the bugs have been fixed |
| 13:24.24 | Zapadlo | When its ready ;) |
| 13:24.28 | abrotman | ThrAnCh: stop being annoying |
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| 13:25.07 | ThrAnCh | ¬¬ |
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| 13:26.53 | foetus | ThrAnCh: its nervous. you need a dentist, maybe. |
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| 13:27.32 | foetus | *offtopic |
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| 13:28.30 | ThrAnCh | plop |
| 13:28.36 | ThrAnCh | you are bot? |
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| 13:30.26 | foetus | no, foetus (its a nick) |
| 13:31.11 | ThrAnCh | oh |
| 13:31.14 | ThrAnCh | thranch too |
| 13:31.20 | ThrAnCh | ThrAnCh :D |
| 13:31.38 | abrotman | ThrAnCh: do you have a debian related question? |
| 13:32.15 | ThrAnCh | asterisk + debian |
| 13:32.24 | abrotman | ThrAnCh: there is a #debian-es if you would prefer to speak spanish |
| 13:33.10 | ThrAnCh | my question |
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| 13:33.21 | ThrAnCh | debian + asterisk + gsm |
| 13:33.27 | ThrAnCh | is posible? |
| 13:33.46 | abrotman | ask #asterisk maybe? |
| 13:33.58 | stew | yes, possible |
| 13:34.40 | ThrAnCh | mmmm #asterisk no entry |
| 13:34.45 | ThrAnCh | restrigend |
| 13:34.57 | ThrAnCh | * #asterisk :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 13:35.01 | stew | assuming by gsm you mean the audio codec |
| 13:35.33 | ThrAnCh | mmmmmmmmmmm |
| 13:35.48 | ThrAnCh | and 3G ??? |
| 13:35.52 | ThrAnCh | implementation ??? |
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| 13:37.43 | ThrAnCh | who ??? |
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| 13:43.12 | johnf | Re bug #592785 Is it possible for me to install a different config file depending on the arch? |
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| 13:48.10 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64. I did aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade and got this http://debian.pastebin.com/EU4tfkK2 I tried 'aptitude reinstall libavahi-ui0' but that didn't work. What do I do now? |
| 13:48.53 | abrotman | qwd: man dpkg .. there is a --force option to remove packages when asking for a reinst |
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| 13:54.08 | qwd | abrotman: thanks, "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r libavahi-ui0" did the job! |
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| 14:05.19 | bintut | waves |
| 14:05.28 | bintut | [OT] anyone familiar with subversion here? i need help here. |
| 14:05.42 | bintut | i currently have a single svn repository that hosts 3 different projects. now, i wanted to transfer the repository to a different server and i wanted to separate the 3 different projects with their own repository. kindly check http://www.pastie.org/1092035 for more information. |
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| 14:05.50 | bintut | from my current repository, only the trunks on each projects have the contents. now, could you please advice me on how i can split the projects in to different repositories? likewise, how can i dump only the contents of the trunks directory for each project? thank you in advance. |
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| 14:07.18 | abrotman | there is an svn channel |
| 14:07.35 | bintut | abrotman: yeah. sorry. |
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| 14:09.48 | johnf | Can anyone assist me with bug #541456. It's in relation to using 32bit libs on 64bit systems an /usr/lib32 |
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| 14:10.16 | johnf | do programs that use dlopen need to internall know about /usr/lib32 or will magic happen? |
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| 14:24.11 | dokma | Anyone knows how to delete one stream from ogv video with ffmpeg? |
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| 14:24.39 | dokma | I have some strange stream that seems unneeded to me: |
| 14:24.46 | dokma | Stream #0.0: Invalid Codec type -1 |
| 14:24.46 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.46 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.42 | nickaugust | so the ath9k module i need for my wireless card isnt installed with the .26 kernel so I just copied the ath9k.ko file into my .26 directory but when i modprobe it "Error inserting module" "Invalid module format"... I can you cant just copy them like that? |
| 14:27.01 | nickaugust | so the ath9k module is not compatible with .26 kernel? |
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| 14:28.51 | abrotman | copied it from what? |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | nickaugust: you probably want to use the backports.org kernel |
| 14:29.25 | nickaugust | well i installed the backport 32 kernel but the keyboards not working on my macbook |
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| 14:29.53 | nickaugust | so i was going to try recompiling the kernel with this option that may fix it |
| 14:30.10 | jordanm | nickaugust: copying the module like that will never work. at the least, it would need to be recompiled using the other kernel sources |
| 14:30.14 | nickaugust | but if the ath9k module worked with 26 i could just stick with 2 for now |
| 14:30.15 | stack | nickaugust: if you have compiled the moudle from source isn't provided a Makefile? |
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| 14:30.36 | stack | maybe a make install and modprobe modulename should work. |
| 14:30.54 | nickaugust | hmm interesting... i'll try that |
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| 14:31.25 | stack | anyway usually is a cp and depmod. |
| 14:31.41 | stack | but make && make install should be dumb safe |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | the module was ocmpiled for a different kernel |
| 14:31.49 | abrotman | he said he just copied it |
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| 14:32.19 | nickaugust | yeah the module is for 32 and im tring to get it work on 26 |
| 14:32.22 | nickaugust | if possible |
| 14:32.23 | stack | if the different kernel is really different, just recompile it for your kernel. :) |
| 14:32.51 | jordanm | the deprecated madwifi may actually be better for this scenerio... |
| 14:32.59 | jordanm | assuming the chip is supported |
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| 14:34.47 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 14:35.18 | Fare | how do I determine which packages use a given package? |
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| 14:35.21 | nickaugust | i think the keyboard not working in 32 for me is from this issue http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/HID_APPLE.html so can I recompile the 32 kernel with this as an option? or how does that work |
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| 14:35.50 | Fare | there is this opencore-amr codec library, I want to find a program that uses that codec and will let me play or convert .3gp files... |
| 14:35.50 | jordanm | nickaugust: grep 'CONFIG_HID_APPLE' /boot/config-<foo> |
| 14:35.52 | ShapeShifter499 | i'm trying to run bordeaux and I get this "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" where can I find libgtk-x11-2.0? |
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| 14:36.21 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: sounds like release mixing or non-debian software |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 14:37.02 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
| 14:37.04 | nickaugust | jordanm: yeah the 32 kernel has it "CONFIG_HID_APPLE=m" but the 26 (which works) does not hav it |
| 14:37.14 | jordanm | thinks that file is only going to be available in testing |
| 14:37.20 | kjs | Humm If i have a black listed IP Adrress (RBL) will mail server SENDING to this server bounce mail ? |
| 14:37.27 | kjs | or only sendinf FROM it? |
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| 14:38.05 | jordanm | kjs: I am sure it depends on the configuration of you mailserver, but bounce typically |
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| 14:38.41 | kjs | jordanm: are you sure? |
| 14:38.58 | kjs | so if I send to a black listed server it would bounce my email you think? |
| 14:39.24 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman: apt file? this---> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Apt-file&sa=X&ei=cKpmTPPoKYj4swPZ59mWDQ&ved=0CBIQkAE |
| 14:39.31 | jordanm | kjs: oh, I thought you meant the other way around. no clue, and I am sure its highly dependant on your configuration |
| 14:39.36 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 14:39.56 | majkl578 | hi, I'm getting an error while upgrading grub: |
| 14:39.56 | majkl578 | grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/xvda1. Check your device.map. |
| 14:39.56 | majkl578 | kernel 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 14:40.14 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: aptitude update && aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libgtk-x11-2.0.so |
| 14:40.39 | ShapeShifter499 | ah ok |
| 14:41.06 | ShapeShifter499 | just got up, didn't know where to put that /msg command xD |
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| 14:41.55 | ShapeShifter499 | I got it now |
| 14:41.57 | ShapeShifter499 | thanks |
| 14:42.06 | majkl578 | anyone? :/ |
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| 14:44.42 | oledole2 | Q: I have a RAID5 on /dev/sd[bcdef]1, but it fails to auto-start/assemble it during boot. I suspect it's because I've got superblocks both on /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1, which confuses mdadm et.al. Is it safe to zero the superblock on /dev/sdb? Will that leave everything else on the disk intact, for example the superblock on /dev/sdb1 and the data on that partition? Thanks |
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| 14:47.49 | majkl578 | any idea how to fix `grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/xvda1. Check your device.map.`? :) |
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| 14:48.38 | jordanm | majkl578: did you check device.map? |
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| 14:48.46 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm it seems I have libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 installed but bordeaux doesn't see the file |
| 14:48.58 | majkl578 | jordanm: yes, it is empty |
| 14:49.09 | jordanm | majkl578: that would be a problem |
| 14:49.22 | majkl578 | jordanm: I tried this: http://lists.bitfolk.com/lurker/message/20080529.142153.954fedf4.el.html but didn't help |
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| 14:50.07 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: that appears to be commercial software that should be supported by the people you purchased it from |
| 14:50.43 | jordanm | although made up of a lot free components |
| 14:50.57 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: you might want to look at it with 'ldd' |
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| 14:51.05 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: I know, they don't seem to have a irc channel but I'm filling a help ticket now |
| 14:51.13 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: um ldd? |
| 14:51.16 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: how do you run the command? |
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| 14:52.40 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, there are multiple commands but I'm running the setup client(to install windows apps and stuff) with the following command "/opt/bordeaux/bin/bordeaux-setup" |
| 14:53.01 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: so "ldd /opt/bordeaux/bin/bordeaux-setup" .. put it in a pastebin |
| 14:53.02 | ShapeShifter499 | this did work in ubuntu |
| 14:53.12 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, ok one sec |
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| 14:53.24 | majkl578 | jordanm: by the way i'm upgrading grub from 0.97 to 1.98 (squeeze) |
| 14:54.32 | ShapeShifter499 | wow bordeaux is not seeing a lot of needed files ----> http://pastebin.com/GWsydZ5m |
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| 14:55.04 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: are you running a 64bit distro and the app is 32bit ? |
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| 14:56.22 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, well I installed from their x86_64 package so I assumed that it would see everything on my 64 bit debian system( this app saw everything when I used it on a ubuntu 64 bit system) |
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| 14:58.02 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I did install the ia32 packages so I know I'm good |
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| 15:00.22 | ShapeShifter499 | *FACEPALM* |
| 15:00.30 | abrotman | indeed |
| 15:01.22 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I didn't know about the "ia32-libs-gtk" package, just installed it now boreaux |
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| 15:01.36 | ShapeShifter499 | runs |
| 15:02.03 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ *feels a little bit dumber * |
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| 15:04.50 | ss_ | hi |
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| 15:08.52 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
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| 15:09.39 | SineDeviance | i have a question for you. i'm currently running debian squeeze amd64, but grow tired of the 64-bit issues with flash and other things. i have 4GB of RAM and a 1GB GPU. if i installed squeeze 32bit, would it have any issues? |
| 15:10.31 | jordanm | SineDeviance: I use i386 with -bigmem kernel and 8gb of ram on two machines. fine for my needs |
| 15:10.33 | ShapeShifter499 | SineDeviance, flash works good for me, I'm using the old beta flash player |
| 15:10.51 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: that flashplayer has known security issues and running it is not recommended |
| 15:10.59 | SineDeviance | ShapeShifter499: i couldn't get it to work, but flash isn't the only problem. suffice it to say that i just want to go to 32bit. |
| 15:11.26 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: what "kind" of security issues?? |
| 15:11.32 | SineDeviance | jordanm: so ... after i install squeeze, can i install the bigmem kernel from the repos? cause yeah, that'd be pretty awesome :D |
| 15:11.40 | abrotman | SineDeviance: so what other issues are you concerned about? |
| 15:12.13 | SineDeviance | abrotman: i have an ATI hd5850. the current catalyst drivers seem to have speed issues under x64, but not x32. so that's one thing. |
| 15:12.16 | jordanm | SineDeviance: yep. BIOS must support PAE, which most do these days |
| 15:12.22 | SineDeviance | PAE? |
| 15:12.27 | SineDeviance | how do i find out if mine does? |
| 15:12.38 | SineDeviance | thats physical address extension, right? |
| 15:12.38 | abrotman | i'm sure it does |
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| 15:12.49 | jordanm | SineDeviance: yes |
| 15:13.12 | SineDeviance | i have a gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 mainboard, it's brand new. i just updated it to the latest BIOS. you think it'll work? |
| 15:13.20 | jordanm | SineDeviance: try bigmem kernel and see if it works... check mobo manual or bios option screen |
| 15:13.24 | SineDeviance | this board came out maybe six months ago |
| 15:13.31 | jordanm | SineDeviance: yes, I am sure thats fine |
| 15:13.58 | SineDeviance | okeis... and do i have to add a repo to sources.list to install the -bigmem kernels, or are they in the regular repos? |
| 15:14.09 | jordanm | regular repos |
| 15:14.12 | SineDeviance | awesome |
| 15:14.14 | SineDeviance | hey, thanks man |
| 15:14.27 | SineDeviance | i'm gonna get the squeeze i386 iso now and do it |
| 15:14.39 | abrotman | there is also a -amd64 kernel in i386 debian |
| 15:14.41 | ss_ | can i install kde3 on debian squeeze |
| 15:14.58 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: what is the worse that could happen by using the old flash player |
| 15:15.00 | abrotman | ss_: no |
| 15:15.11 | jordanm | ss_: there was mailing list talk about a project called "trinity". doubtful it will be supported here however |
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| 15:15.25 | SineDeviance | abrotman: really? no kde 3.5.x on squeeze? |
| 15:15.31 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: your box gets owned? |
| 15:15.45 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: like a virus |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | SineDeviance: even kde.org hasn't released a kde3.x in what ? two years? |
| 15:15.55 | jordanm | followed by your ISP cutting off your net for being a spambot... |
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| 15:16.04 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: if I go and run the wrong flash content |
| 15:16.10 | SineDeviance | abrotman: so? some people still prefer it. just sayin' is all. kde4.x is not for everyone. |
| 15:17.12 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: yes |
| 15:17.16 | abrotman | SineDeviance: oh well, nothign can be done, kde3.x has been abandoned by kde.org |
| 15:17.21 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: o.o |
| 15:17.24 | abrotman | or superceded |
| 15:17.34 | jordanm | SineDeviance: which why there is a project like trinity to keep it going. they target ubuntu IIRC though |
| 15:17.43 | SineDeviance | abrotman: you CAN install kde3.5.x on squeeze btw. |
| 15:17.48 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: any open source 64 bit flash players? |
| 15:17.57 | SineDeviance | jordanm: thats the one, i was just reading that. but it does support debian as well. |
| 15:18.10 | abrotman | SineDeviance: it's not supported, and has no security updates, that'd be pretty dumb |
| 15:18.23 | ss_ | \ |
| 15:18.53 | jordanm | SineDeviance: http://lists.debian.org/k2gb59a0661005052317jf0fa9ec4n2399a8ed8d64e1da@mail.gmail.com I believe that is the thread that discussed it (long) |
| 15:18.59 | psycodad | good afternoon, i am looking for a httpd with extremly small memory footprint (i only have 64MB) and support for ssl, also i'd like it to be a standard debian package, else i'd use acme's mini_httpd. |
| 15:19.00 | abrotman | SineDeviance: the last KDE 3.x release was August 2008, i wouldn't use that |
| 15:19.04 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: yes, but I would not recommend them |
| 15:19.15 | SineDeviance | jordanm: i found it here -> http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1450.html |
| 15:19.18 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: why? same problems?? |
| 15:19.25 | jordanm | SineDeviance: you should not it will never be supported here |
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| 15:19.31 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: they often do not work as expected |
| 15:19.36 | oledole2 | Q: Every time I reboot the system randomly chooses either sda or sdc as the device name for my primary hard-drive, why is this happening? Can I hard-code it somewhere so that my device names stay consistent? Thanks |
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| 15:19.48 | SineDeviance | jordanm: i use gnome, i was just asking because ss_ asked |
| 15:19.49 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: oh |
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| 15:20.26 | jordanm | oledole2: you can replace the device names with UUIDs, or even better, filesystem labels |
| 15:20.36 | chalk46 | does anyone have any tips to get the dark grey colors to display on the console? is this a problem with console-data or kbd not being configured properly? |
| 15:20.36 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: oh well there is all ways an 32 bit flash and browser I can run with in my 64 bit system |
| 15:21.02 | jordanm | ShapeShifter499: its covered on the flash page of the wiki |
| 15:21.35 | ShapeShifter499 | jordanm: ya I know... |
| 15:21.47 | oledole2 | jordanm: you mean use UUIDs in both fstab, mdadm config, etc? is there no way to make the mapping once for the component that creates the device entries in /dev ? |
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| 15:22.05 | jordanm | !tell oledole2 about 70 |
| 15:22.15 | SineDeviance | hmm... |
| 15:22.25 | SineDeviance | !tell SineDeviance about 70 |
| 15:22.32 | jordanm | !tell SineDeviance about selftell |
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| 15:22.50 | jordanm | oledole2: that facotid talks about persistant net rules, but I am pretty sure there is also one for storage |
| 15:22.55 | SineDeviance | jordanm: hey thanks, i was wondering how to do that |
| 15:23.24 | oledole2 | jordanm: interesting, thanks! :) |
| 15:23.26 | psycodad | excuse me, mini_httpd is part of debian pkg, its just called mini-httpd... sorry |
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| 15:27.23 | Raptors | Does anyone know a good scheduling app that can run a script at a certain time like gnome-schedule? |
| 15:27.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Raptors: cron |
| 15:27.43 | Raptors | cli ap? |
| 15:27.51 | jpinx-eeepc | it is |
| 15:28.15 | abrotman | or 'at' .. depends how often you want it |
| 15:28.16 | User_007 | guys, is kms already so good as ums? |
| 15:28.19 | Raptors | does it have a frontend |
| 15:29.32 | SineDeviance | time to install |
| 15:29.34 | SineDeviance | bbl |
| 15:29.51 | frikinz | User_007, works fine here with unstable and radeon driver |
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| 15:30.15 | Raptors | frikinz, how are the radeon drivers? |
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| 15:30.32 | frikinz | Raptors, very good actually. fglrx is past for me |
| 15:30.32 | Raptors | Everyone says they are trash compared to nvidia, is that true? |
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| 15:31.03 | chalk46 | i've read that radeon drivers are easier to get working with grsecurity, but I've never tried em |
| 15:31.09 | frikinz | haven't seen nvidia a lot in the latest changelogs |
| 15:31.19 | User_007 | it's because i have a radeon x1200 with kms and gallium and i can't run games as i was able to do, either see a HD video like i was able to do... |
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| 15:32.12 | Raptors | frikinz, are the drivers opensource or closed? |
| 15:32.51 | User_007 | the hd video delay form de audio, i have to stop and play again in order to sync |
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| 15:33.07 | jordanm | Raptors: the opensouce radeon drivers are much better than the nvidia ones. however, I believe it is the opposite with the proprietary drivers |
| 15:33.13 | frikinz | Raptors, there are part of the kernel so they are opensource. there's nothing to do. power management got better lately, it was the last thing a bit lacking |
| 15:34.12 | frikinz | dunno for hd, they are too big to download :) |
| 15:34.19 | Raptors | I'm still kinda scared to get a ati card because of all the horror stories :| |
| 15:34.41 | Raptors | Nvidia closed source drivers are working great for me so far. |
| 15:35.01 | frikinz | my small 4650 works very good, I even tried compiz and some games (can't remember really which one, not a gamer here) |
| 15:35.09 | User_007 | maybe i have done something wrong, but my performace fall a lot |
| 15:35.10 | jordanm | Raptors: personally, I will not buy an ati card, but there are others who are the opposite |
| 15:35.32 | frikinz | I just hate closed source things, one of the reason why I stick with debian |
| 15:36.25 | User_007 | how can i check if there is something whrong? |
| 15:36.35 | User_007 | wrong |
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| 15:36.57 | Raptors | frikinz, are you a dev? |
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| 15:37.34 | User_007 | in order to use kms i must disable radeonfb right? |
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| 15:42.51 | jhutchins | User_007: I thought kms required fb? |
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| 15:46.08 | User_007 | jhutchins, in wiki from x.org tells to not compile or not load radeonfb |
| 15:46.17 | User_007 | it use radeonkmsfb |
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| 15:46.30 | jhutchins | Ah, a subtle distinction. |
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| 15:47.24 | Raptors | abrotman, how do I save the command in at? |
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| 15:47.47 | abrotman | huh? |
| 15:47.58 | abrotman | oh, hit ctrl-d |
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| 15:48.10 | Raptors | abrotman, thanks |
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| 15:51.38 | Raptors | it doesn't seem to work :\ |
| 15:51.54 | Raptors | unless its not seeing my time or something |
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| 15:52.11 | abrotman | how did you do it? |
| 15:52.50 | Raptors | at 11:50 then typed in "chromium-browser google.com" then hit ctrl d |
| 15:53.01 | abrotman | am or pm ? |
| 15:53.01 | jordanm | huh? |
| 15:53.07 | jordanm | never used at that way |
| 15:53.08 | Raptors | am |
| 15:53.11 | abrotman | and you probably want to use the full path |
| 15:53.34 | Raptors | it worked fine when i typed it in the terminal... |
| 15:53.46 | abrotman | check your system mail |
| 15:54.02 | chalk46 | so nobody else here has ever had trouble getting those dark grey colors to show on the console? |
| 15:54.08 | Raptors | system mail? |
| 15:54.17 | Raptors | (sorry I'm a n00b at this stuff) |
| 15:54.33 | chalk46 | I'm just trying to figure out if it's something custom I've done with the system or just a configuration thing |
| 15:54.42 | Raptors | jordanm, how do you do it? |
| 15:54.52 | Raptors | you run it from a file? |
| 15:54.57 | jordanm | Raptors: at -f <script> <time>; non-interactive |
| 15:55.12 | Raptors | :\ |
| 15:56.20 | DDRP | I've never found a real world use for 'at' |
| 15:56.54 | jordanm | DDRP: I use it automatically remove ~/.forward files (vacation messages), from users at work |
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| 15:57.33 | jordanm | before, they manually logged into the server and deleted the .forward on the day they got back... |
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| 15:58.41 | DDRP | hmm, but what if the system reboots in the men time? |
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| 15:58.51 | DDRP | *mean |
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| 16:00.49 | jordanm | DDRP: I don't think that matters, or hasn't happened in the year I have been doing it |
| 16:01.00 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.11 | Raptors | I was doing ctrl D before pressing enter -_- |
| 16:01.27 | DDRP | hmm, the man page isn't clear about the persistency of jobs |
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| 16:01.49 | jordanm | yeah, I just checked for that :) |
| 16:02.14 | Raptors | yup its working now that I pressed enter -_- |
| 16:02.24 | Raptors | I'm such a moron lol |
| 16:02.42 | DDRP | oh ok, it looks like the jobs are written to /var/sppl/cron |
| 16:02.52 | DDRP | *spool |
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| 16:02.58 | harobed | hi, I've issue with apt-get : http://pastebin.com/px3ie93A |
| 16:03.28 | harobed | apt-get try to get ipv6 address, but I'm in ipv4 network |
| 16:03.28 | jordanm | harobed: looks like you have a problem with ipv6 |
| 16:03.54 | harobed | jordan, yes, I know |
| 16:04.09 | harobed | jordan, I've disable ipv6 mod |
| 16:04.35 | harobed | jordan, disabled ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/alias |
| 16:04.49 | jordanm | harobed: so get rid of your ipv6 address |
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| 16:06.16 | harobed | jordanm, yes, but now, I don't know what do |
| 16:06.38 | harobed | jordanm, how disable ipv6 in apt-get |
| 16:06.40 | jordanm | harobed: what did you do to get in that state? |
| 16:07.19 | harobed | see the pastebin |
| 16:07.40 | harobed | it's my issue with all ipv6 configuration disabled |
| 16:07.52 | harobed | I've forget something ? |
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| 16:09.26 | abrotman | !tell harobed about noipv6 |
| 16:11.17 | harobed | abrotman, thanks, I'll try it |
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| 16:13.57 | harobed | abrotman, I've do that |
| 16:14.14 | harobed | abrotman, but apt-get always use ipv6 :( |
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| 16:14.26 | harobed | wait, I'll pastebin the message |
| 16:15.04 | abrotman | harobed: also paste your sources.list and your apt.conf |
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| 16:16.26 | harobed | abrotman, ok, wait : http://pastebin.com/LyT7J2XP |
| 16:17.14 | djura-san | hey guys, how to disable monitor tunr off after some idle time? I have no gnome screensaver package nor gnome power manager so i was wondering is there any gconf hack to totally disable that since it's driving me nuts to get up every 15min to move my mouse to continue watching my movies |
| 16:17.26 | harobed | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/98VH0y11 |
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| 16:17.43 | abrotman | !tell djura-san about dpms |
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| 16:17.53 | abrotman | harobed: and do you have an apt.conf ? |
| 16:18.16 | djura-san | abrotman: thank you like a milion times :D |
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| 16:18.43 | harobed | abrotman, I have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ folder |
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| 16:19.14 | abrotman | anything in it ? |
| 16:19.21 | djura-san | abrotman: wait, i hev t load DPMS in xorg? |
| 16:19.24 | djura-san | *have |
| 16:19.27 | djura-san | to |
| 16:19.33 | harobed | abrotman, maybe I can do apt-config dump |
| 16:19.35 | djura-san | (sorry for typos) |
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| 16:19.36 | harobed | wait |
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| 16:19.57 | abrotman | djura-san: it probably already is.. or you can use the xset command |
| 16:20.16 | djura-san | okay |
| 16:20.28 | harobed | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/NnrvUnnC |
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| 16:20.46 | harobed | abrotman, ok, what do you think about ? |
| 16:21.02 | abrotman | is there some kind of proxy there? |
| 16:21.05 | djura-san | abrotman: okay, no dpms in my xorg but i will override it with xset command. Thank you again |
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| 16:24.35 | harobed | abrotman, stop your search |
| 16:24.46 | harobed | abrotman, it's shorewall configuration issue |
| 16:24.53 | abrotman | blames shorewall! |
| 16:25.14 | harobed | abrotman, I like shorewall |
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| 16:28.49 | fxiny | harobed: which version ? |
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| 16:33.04 | harobed | fxiny, shorewall ? package in debian lenny |
| 16:33.29 | harobed | fxiny, 4.0.25 |
| 16:33.32 | harobed | fxiny, 4.0.15 |
| 16:34.15 | harobed | I can't do Web connection between my box to net |
| 16:34.54 | harobed | strange I think this connection is allowed with default configuration of shorewall |
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| 16:36.11 | fxiny | harobed: right , that's the lenny version , i'm on lenny , but i need NOTRACK for dht/rtorrent and i use 4.4.11.2-1~bpo50+1 packaged by roberto , if you want that version i'll paste the source.list line |
| 16:36.16 | harobed | it's my configuration http://pastebin.com/T1rhnnE1 |
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| 16:40.45 | fxiny | harobed: shorewall show output is not a counf |
| 16:40.50 | fxiny | conf* |
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| 16:43.49 | harobed | fxiny, I know, it's iptable rules generated |
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| 16:48.28 | thewanderer1 | harobed: the default shorewall policy does not allow firewall->net connections |
| 16:49.07 | thewanderer1 | you might find that strange, but after all, a firewall is a firewall and it's not supposed to contact the Internet on its own in the default config |
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| 16:50.04 | fxiny | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.37 | BLZbubba | i have an installed .deb that had many of its .so symlinks changed; is there an easy way to tell an installed .deb to re-create all of these? |
| 16:51.03 | BLZbubba | without reinstalling i mean, that would be really easy if it didn't have a bunch of other debs dependent on it :) |
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| 16:51.44 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: the default config is in /usr/share/doc/shorewall, and the path also contains example configs for specific scenarios. |
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| 16:52.06 | fxiny | thewanderer1: they are examples |
| 16:52.10 | harobed | thewanderer1, ok, I'll look that |
| 16:52.26 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: default config is in /usr/share/doc/default-config or sth like that |
| 16:52.50 | harobed | thewanderer1, do you know how allow all connection from fw to net ? |
| 16:53.35 | fxiny | thewanderer1: oh yes , they called it default |
| 16:53.41 | thewanderer1 | harobed: look into /etc/shorewall/policy - you have to allow traffic from $FW to net |
| 16:53.50 | wrksx | hi all. I created a user with an ssh access and I noticed that this user can access lots of files. I wish to restrain him to a little portion of the file system, his home dir. I've heard about chroot but i don't really understand what it does and if it suit my needs. any leads ? |
| 16:54.00 | thewanderer1 | harobed: order DOES matter, just read what the comments say and you'll be ok |
| 16:54.29 | wrksx | CAN i use chroot to isolate a ssh user in a directory ? |
| 16:54.46 | jordanm | wrksx: yes |
| 16:55.22 | harobed | thewanderer1, yes, exactly |
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| 16:55.40 | wrksx | jordanm, where have I to call chroot to restrain him when accessing through ssh |
| 16:55.55 | jordanm | wrksx: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 16:56.23 | wrksx | jordanm, ok thanks, that's definatly the page to read =) |
| 16:56.56 | jordanm | wrksx: ignore the part about needing a patch, that applies to an older version and is included in lenny |
| 16:57.10 | wrksx | jordanm, perfect |
| 16:57.44 | harobed | thewanderer1, thanks |
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| 17:00.59 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
| 17:01.13 | SineDeviance | i just installed squeeze and am having problems with xserver |
| 17:01.31 | SineDeviance | all i really need to know is, is there a keyboard shortcut to close X and go back to a terminal? |
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| 17:03.05 | SineDeviance | er... brb |
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| 17:06.33 | BLZbubba | so there is no way to re-create a package's broken symlinks? |
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| 17:07.19 | abrotman | such as? |
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| 17:08.03 | lubuser | hello, why is iceweasel at only 3.5? |
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| 17:08.22 | abrotman | because that's the version it is .. what's the problem with it? |
| 17:08.54 | Tridon343 | can anyone help me with mounting an external usb-HDD.. unfortunately it is formated in ntfs |
| 17:09.21 | lubuser | it's older version |
| 17:09.28 | lubuser | firefox / iceweasel is at 3.6 |
| 17:09.34 | BLZbubba | Tridon343: did you try modprobe ntfs |
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| 17:10.54 | Tridon343 | no i didn't BLZbubba |
| 17:11.04 | exaboy | what is "unable to fork" error that occurs? |
| 17:11.09 | bzed | don't use the kernel module |
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| 17:11.15 | bzed | Tridon343: ^ |
| 17:11.19 | bzed | Tridon343: use ntfs-3g |
| 17:11.30 | bzed | Tridon343: ntfs-3g |
| 17:11.35 | abrotman | lubuser: and what's wrong with that version? is it broken in some way? |
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| 17:14.32 | foetus | how could i put this off in gpm: /var/log/messages *** info [daemon/processrequest.c(42)]: it fills my entire log with senseless messages |
| 17:15.02 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: you're out of memory or process limit is reached |
| 17:15.05 | Tridon343 | bzed....... Thank you very much!!! |
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| 17:17.13 | foetus | its frustrating, if you look into your syslog and try to find something.. |
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| 17:18.27 | exaboy | thewanderer1: shared memory? because my system never goes over 2GB of the 6GB available |
| 17:18.48 | nsadmin | aren't there those syslog parser/summarizers? |
| 17:19.07 | bzed | Tridon343: there is no need to query me :\ |
| 17:19.19 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: maybe process number limit or so, if you have that set |
| 17:19.23 | Tridon343 | sorry |
| 17:19.57 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: or you are launching sth extremely big and it refuses to fork |
| 17:20.03 | bzed | Tridon343: beginners' tools... well... there are a lot of tools for a lot of things... really hard to gie a general answer to that question |
| 17:20.07 | thewanderer1 | (e.g. a fork bomb or a stack monster) |
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| 17:20.47 | foetus | i mean - syslog is not a bookcase :) |
| 17:20.50 | Tridon343 | well what I would like to know is, how to start the nautilus with a shortcut ... |
| 17:21.25 | nsadmin | isn't nautilus already started by your DE? |
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| 17:21.48 | Tridon343 | or how to change the behavior of nautilus that double click an icon will not open a new window but moving to the folder |
| 17:22.22 | djura-san | abrotman: i tried to set that dpms thingie with "xset dpms 0 0 0" and "xset dpms 5400 5400 5400" but my monitor is still turning off after 10mins (i measured). I have no "DPMS" line in my xorg conf but i checked dpms status (with xset -q | grep -A 1 DPMS) and it says that it's enabled. What to do now? Im fairly annoyed with all this but i dont wanna use gnome screensaver to set 2h for monitor turn off :\ |
| 17:22.43 | abrotman | djura-san: what is your WM/DE ? |
| 17:22.48 | Tridon343 | DE = demon? |
| 17:22.54 | djura-san | abrotman: gnome |
| 17:22.55 | abrotman | i'm asking djura-san |
| 17:23.01 | abrotman | djura-san: gnome-power-settings? |
| 17:23.04 | djura-san | (im using lenny) |
| 17:23.18 | djura-san | no, i hav eno gnome power manager. I tried with it but no luck again |
| 17:23.21 | nsadmin | xset <enter> and read the result... |
| 17:23.22 | djura-san | *habe no |
| 17:23.27 | djura-san | *have |
| 17:23.30 | djura-san | okay |
| 17:23.43 | exaboy | thewanderer1: how do icheck the number of processes running, is top accurate? also i assume i can set say apache and postgresql process limit |
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| 17:24.00 | nsadmin | look thru that thing... maybe you'll find something... |
| 17:24.11 | Quintin | Gnome says 2.9gb free after I've deleted some files, but df -h / says 551m ... what gives? |
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| 17:24.33 | djura-san | abrotman: :o . I'm i reading this right? I just have to "xset -dpms"? |
| 17:24.42 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: ps ax | wc -l -- subtract 1 and it's your procnum |
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| 17:24.58 | nsadmin | Tridon343 de = desktop environment, like kde and gnome are |
| 17:26.12 | djura-san | okay i tried "xset -dpms" . If i dont come here in about 10min then i solved my problems :) |
| 17:26.19 | thewanderer1 | exaboy: /etc/security/limits.conf contains resource limits like memory and nproc |
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| 17:27.45 | smv | Tridon343, use gnome-keybinding-properties to asign a key combination for starting nautilus; disable spatial view in nautilus properties (Properties > Behaviour and unchek the 'Open every folder in it's own window'? or something like that-- i don't have the english one now) |
| 17:28.04 | smv | s/unchek/uncheck |
| 17:28.47 | Tridon343 | well Nautilus is integrated in my genome-package..... but what I#d like to do is to open for example the root folder or the home directory with an symple combination of keystrokes.... it doesn't have to be the windows like behavior the WINDOWS + E ... but just like I controlrythmbox I would like to open up windows |
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| 17:30.35 | thewanderer1 | Tridon343: GNOME System->Preferences->Keyboard shortcuts (or hotkeys or w/e they're called), then add a custom command and you can assign it anything, like "nautilus /home/tridon" |
| 17:31.00 | thewanderer1 | you can execute custom commands on keyboard shortcuts |
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| 17:31.58 | smv | Tridon343, you can asign any key combination with gnome-keybinding-properties, same thing opened the way thewanderer1 said, not only for nautilus |
| 17:32.12 | Tridon343 | thewanderer1: maybe it's just me.. but after opening this windows I can't see any button to add a new key shortcut or any empty line to specyfy a new shortcut |
| 17:33.39 | smv | Tridon343, there used to be an Add button with a + on it... |
| 17:34.42 | Tridon343 | I got got the button.. Help in the lower left corner... and cloe in the lower right corner... sadly no + / add button o.O |
| 17:35.22 | Tridon343 | well for now I have found the keyboard shortfor opening the home-directory... that will be sufficient |
| 17:35.32 | Tridon343 | -got* |
| 17:35.40 | Tridon343 | close* |
| 17:36.19 | Tridon343 | ....I#m ought to learn the 10-finger typing system...x.X |
| 17:37.30 | djura-san | ah nuts |
| 17:37.38 | djura-san | no luck with dpms again |
| 17:37.49 | gnarface | that shit never works for me |
| 17:38.22 | abrotman | djura-san: are you sure you don't have the gnome power stuff installed ? |
| 17:38.44 | djura-san | abrotman: yes im sure. I use gnome-core which has no gpm |
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| 17:38.57 | djura-san | btw i will try my luck with xset s off |
| 17:39.03 | djura-san | maybe it's the screensaver :\ |
| 17:39.55 | djura-san | and to think that my only day when i just use computer and enjoy it (read: Saturday) will end like this... Ah, linux is a bi*ch sometimes |
| 17:40.02 | djura-san | >:( |
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| 17:40.42 | gnarface | there's only one solution djura-san |
| 17:40.43 | gnarface | quit your job |
| 17:41.09 | djura-san | im in army. If i quit i will go to jail :D |
| 17:41.29 | djura-san | okay, time to do another 10min test |
| 17:41.32 | djura-san | is off |
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| 17:43.02 | dwe | Where should I report a possibly corrupted file on debian.mirrors.easynews.com? My subsequent "aptitude dist-upgrade" from ftp.us.debian.org worked OK, thankfully, but several earlier easynews update attempts all yielded: "E: Failed to fetch http://debian.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/debian/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-style-oxygen_3.2.1-4_all.deb: Hash Sum mismatch" TIA. |
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| 17:43.52 | gnarface | dwe: what are the chances someone was uploading a new copy of that file at the very moment you were trying to download it? |
| 17:43.55 | fxiny | eats corrupted files |
| 17:44.38 | lubuser | stable release of firefox now is 3.6 |
| 17:45.00 | fxiny | 3.6.8 |
| 17:45.03 | lubuser | can i upgrade iceweasel? |
| 17:45.06 | dwe | gnarface: it happened 4 times over two consecutive days, so I suspect catching it during an upload is not likelt |
| 17:45.12 | thrashold | And that won't be in sid for a while ? :( |
| 17:45.13 | lubuser | fxiny, right |
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| 17:45.36 | lubuser | thrashold, you talking to me? |
| 17:45.53 | abrotman | lubuser: i've asked you twice .. what's wrong with that version? |
| 17:45.58 | fxiny | dwe: couldn't be your box ? |
| 17:46.01 | thrashold | lubuser: no, I wasn't addressing anyone, but you could say I was talking to fxiny :) |
| 17:46.21 | fxiny | thrashold: to me ? |
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| 17:46.41 | thrashold | Hm, actually, no :) |
| 17:46.50 | lubuser | abrotman, I don't know... why? |
| 17:47.06 | abrotman | lubuser: you tell me, you're the one that's having the issue .. what's wrong with the iceweasel you already have? |
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| 17:47.55 | thrashold | abrotman: It doesn't have with an 'orgranic software' label |
| 17:48.01 | gnarface | thrashold: the current iceweasel version *is* missing a number of css3 properties in the -moz-* namespace that some of us web developers would like to try out without installing firefox. |
| 17:48.03 | dwe | fxiny: I suppose it always could be my box, but after I removed easynews.com from my sources.list file, the update went fine from ftp.us.debian.org the first time I tried it. |
| 17:48.23 | abrotman | gnarface: see experimental if you want to risk it |
| 17:48.51 | gnarface | so far i've been patient, i just wanted to mention it. there ARE notable differences, if you're playing with css3 |
| 17:49.23 | abrotman | but it's not broken |
| 17:49.29 | gnarface | definitely not |
| 17:49.53 | gnarface | wish i could say the same for icedove |
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| 17:50.24 | Tridon343 | which filesystem would you reccomend for an external-hdd ? (I want to be able to use it to transport files to various PC_s with different OS ) |
| 17:50.55 | fxiny | dwe: checked your kern.log for hd failure ? |
| 17:51.00 | gnarface | then fat32 is the only option, Tridon343 but it SUUUUCKS |
| 17:51.06 | lubuser | i was just asking why it wasn't updated to 3.6 |
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| 17:51.21 | epsilon | Tridon343: which OS do "various PC_s" use? |
| 17:51.51 | abrotman | lubuser: because the maintainer may not feel it's ready ? |
| 17:52.07 | abrotman | gnarface: you can use ntfs and ext3 also |
| 17:52.09 | lubuser | why does the maintainer not think it's ready? |
| 17:52.14 | abrotman | lubuser: NFC, ask him .. |
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| 17:53.24 | lubuser | are file systems ext3 and ext4 100% compatible? |
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| 17:53.34 | thrashold | lubuser: Not both ways |
| 17:53.43 | lubuser | for file writing/reading? |
| 17:53.45 | abrotman | lubuser: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591500 |
| 17:54.15 | abrotman | and now squeeze is frozen, so it's pretty unlikely |
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| 17:54.45 | gnarface | abrotman: windows supports ext3 now? i knew macs did |
| 17:55.00 | abrotman | gnarface: there are various plugins |
| 17:55.16 | gnarface | interesting |
| 17:55.29 | lubuser | abrotman, thanks... interesting |
| 17:55.32 | dwe | fxiny: nothing suspicious or related in my kern.log or syslog from before the first failure to now. |
| 17:56.04 | fxiny | gnarface: there are xp drivers for mounting ext3 , handy for gaming ... |
| 17:56.17 | lubuser | i have a drive using as external formatted with ext3 so if I install ext4 OS can i read it fine? |
| 17:56.41 | fxiny | dwe: good news :) |
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| 17:57.23 | thrashold | lubuser: Yes. But if the drive is ext4, and it has extents enabled, it won't work on an OS supporting ext3 only. |
| 17:57.31 | lubuser | I assume yes but wondering if there's any issues since other guy brought it up |
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| 17:58.21 | SineDeviance | hey guys i cannot figure this out |
| 17:58.27 | SineDeviance | and my head is starting to hurt badly |
| 17:58.41 | lubuser | oh, well drive is just data... formatted ext3 and OS is ext4... I think my debian squeeze install was with ext4 |
| 17:59.04 | fxiny | SineDeviance: get some tiger balm ;) |
| 17:59.09 | lubuser | how do you look up your file system on console? |
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| 17:59.54 | jordanm | lubuser: df -h |
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| 18:00.18 | SineDeviance | i have an ati hd5850. i just installed debian squeeze i386. i installed the latest official ATI drivers from AMD's site. the driver is installed and seems to work, but i cannot set 1920x1080@60hz, it only works in 30hz. |
| 18:00.29 | SineDeviance | does anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:00.39 | SineDeviance | oh and i have tried forcing 60hz in xorg.conf, doesnt work. |
| 18:00.42 | jordanm | SineDeviance: drivers from ati's site are not supported here |
| 18:00.56 | SineDeviance | then which ones are? |
| 18:01.17 | SineDeviance | lemme guess, the totally useless radeon driver, right? |
| 18:01.18 | jordanm | the debian packaged version from the repository... |
| 18:01.23 | jordanm | !tell SineDeviance about fglrx |
| 18:01.26 | lubuser | df -h shows if it's ext3 or ext4? i don't see it |
| 18:01.33 | djura-san | "xset s off" did the trick for me. |
| 18:01.37 | djura-san | is happy :D |
| 18:01.37 | SineDeviance | jordanm: yes, yes, i tried that one. did the same thing. |
| 18:01.45 | SineDeviance | it's the same driver. |
| 18:01.49 | jordanm | lubuser: sorry, "mount" |
| 18:02.24 | lubuser | mount??? |
| 18:02.49 | jordanm | lubuser: yes, the mount command with no options |
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| 18:04.01 | lubuser | jordanm: ok, gotcha...thanks |
| 18:04.17 | nsadmin | djura-san: AAANND you learned a new command |
| 18:04.36 | lubuser | new ati cards don't work in debian? |
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| 18:04.53 | djura-san | nsadmin: of course. That is the fun (after being pissed) in linux :)) |
| 18:04.56 | lubuser | I want to upgrade my video card soon... is ATI a bad choice? |
| 18:04.59 | _mem | hello |
| 18:04.59 | jordanm | lubuser: supported cards are listed via pdf on the wiki |
| 18:05.10 | jordanm | !tell lubuser about fglrx |
| 18:05.14 | djura-san | now i can go back to my tv series :) |
| 18:05.19 | lubuser | I notice ati driver in squeeze is 10.6 but it's red... not stable? |
| 18:05.27 | _mem | can i use Ubuntu mirrors for debian ? |
| 18:05.28 | _mem | can i use Ubuntu mirrors for debian ? |
| 18:05.29 | nsadmin | you have a tv series?! |
| 18:05.30 | abrotman | squeeze is frozen |
| 18:05.33 | abrotman | _mem: not a chance in hell |
| 18:05.37 | jordanm | _mem: no |
| 18:05.45 | nsadmin | _mem: no |
| 18:05.46 | djura-san | nsadmin: nope but internet does a lot of them ;)) |
| 18:05.48 | lubuser | debian wiki? |
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| 18:05.57 | jordanm | lubuser: yes, see your pm from dpkg |
| 18:05.58 | _mem | which are has more software |
| 18:06.00 | _mem | ? |
| 18:06.08 | lubuser | jord: ? |
| 18:06.10 | _mem | more update |
| 18:06.15 | abrotman | _mem: we don't know, we only know what debian has |
| 18:06.24 | jordanm | !tell _mem about why debian |
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| 18:06.27 | nsadmin | they both have wayy more than you'll ever use |
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| 18:06.38 | lubuser | jord: you know the link? |
| 18:06.38 | _mem | i wan to compare them |
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| 18:06.45 | _mem | and know which is better to install |
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| 18:06.59 | SineDeviance | jordanm: okay, i installed the fglrx from the repos. again. it's doing the same thing, because as i previously stated, it's exactly the same driver. anyways, now can you guys help me? |
| 18:07.01 | nsadmin | that's going to be a tough, work-intensive job |
| 18:07.02 | abrotman | _mem: so go install them .. we only know about Debian, we cannot tell you about ubuntu |
| 18:07.28 | _mem | okay |
| 18:08.09 | nsadmin | besides, if you find something missing from either, you can build it yourself if you can find source |
| 18:08.19 | italovalcy | hy guys, anyone knows how can I define conditionals depends in debian packages? For instance: foo depends on bar if X is installed and bli if Y is installed |
| 18:08.27 | italovalcy | thanks for any help |
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| 18:08.55 | daswork | Okay, swapped one dvd out for another. |
| 18:09.02 | daswork | Now, dmesg shows it as an ata device. |
| 18:09.04 | abrotman | italovalcy: use the | ? or ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:09.09 | daswork | But it isn't showing up as /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* |
| 18:09.14 | daswork | udev problem? |
| 18:09.44 | daswork | Here's what dmesg | grep -i dvd shows: [ 2.812485] ata3.00: ATAPI: HL-DT-ST DVD+/-RW GSA-H73N, C106, max UDMA/100 |
| 18:09.48 | nsadmin | I don't think debian dependencies have that feature |
| 18:09.50 | North_Italian69 | I typed: 'ln -s ~/Desktop ~/desktop' (are system folders). So, the result was terrible. How to safely remove this symlink? |
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| 18:10.25 | italovalcy | abrotman: I think this is not what I want... I want something more complex |
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| 18:10.48 | abrotman | italovalcy: so ask #debian-mentors |
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| 18:10.52 | nsadmin | what you -can- do, is have your package create meta packages, one depends on X and bar, the other on Y and bli |
| 18:10.57 | italovalcy | abrotman: ok, thanks! |
| 18:11.09 | lubuser | so ati hd 5000 cards are not supporteD? |
| 18:11.12 | skarka | hi, i upgraded to squeeze and i need to install debhelper because of drivers and i get some dependences and it ended with "Depends: perl but it is not going to be installed" but i have already perl installed..what i do wrong? |
| 18:11.31 | nsadmin | , versions iceweasel |
| 18:11.33 | Tridon343 | epsilon: well I don't know what OS the various pc will use... I will move soon to study but I don't know the OS of the others... it will be mostly windows I persume.. but maybe there will be some max users I donÄt know yet |
| 18:11.33 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.11-1; squeeze: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 18:11.52 | italovalcy | nsadmin: yes, I knew, but maybe it was interesting we have that feature |
| 18:11.54 | Judge-- | Hello.. I have a wireless router. A pc running Debian is connected to the RJ45 port of the router trhough a wired connection and I'm using my notebook, connected to the wirless |
| 18:12.05 | Judge-- | I can ping the debian server, but can't do ssh |
| 18:12.05 | italovalcy | anyway... I'll ask on debian-mentors |
| 18:12.07 | Judge-- | sshd is up and running |
| 18:12.08 | nsadmin | italovalcy, but see above |
| 18:12.11 | Judge-- | what may be wrong? |
| 18:12.18 | djura-san | i have another question: there is no point to put "xset" comands in ~/.profile or...? xset is X app i guess so im not sure where to put it. I have app launcher for "xset r rate" in gnome session manager but maybe there is a better way to do that :\ |
| 18:12.25 | epsilon | Tridon343: do you have any option to use NAS? These with build-in samba/ftp/http server |
| 18:12.28 | nsadmin | why can't you do ssh? |
| 18:12.34 | skarka | Judge--:firewall? |
| 18:12.35 | marshallmc | how have you confirmed that the sshd is listening on a port? |
| 18:12.53 | marshallmc | nmap that host running sshd with another host |
| 18:13.01 | nsadmin | you can try telnet (that host) ssh |
| 18:13.08 | Judge-- | skarka I typed "iptables -F" |
| 18:13.17 | epsilon | Tridon343: between linux and Windows, you can use NTFS, but dunno about Mac |
| 18:13.19 | Judge-- | to clear all rules |
| 18:13.22 | Judge-- | didn't work too |
| 18:13.37 | nsadmin | on the server... try telnet localhost 22 |
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| 18:14.00 | Judge-- | nsadmin it connected |
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| 18:14.25 | nsadmin | ok, now, from the other box, try telnet (serverIP) 22 |
| 18:14.27 | skarka | Judge--: ssh -vvv |
| 18:14.32 | Tridon343 | well I think there will be possibilities to use the intera-net of the university... |
| 18:15.04 | Judge-- | skarka it says -vvv is an invalid option |
| 18:15.12 | epsilon | Tridon343: no these one-disk NAS with LAN |
| 18:15.19 | nsadmin | Judge-- so, it is running as you say |
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| 18:15.24 | skarka | ssh -vvv localhost |
| 18:15.31 | Judge-- | nsadmin Could not open connection to the host, on port 22 |
| 18:15.35 | skarka | or whereever you want |
| 18:15.57 | Tridon343 | nope.. I won't buy any of these..because I already have two 1TB external HDDS via USB |
| 18:15.58 | nsadmin | Judge--, from the telnet? |
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| 18:16.07 | nsadmin | so you've located the problem |
| 18:16.18 | Judge-- | nsadmin yes |
| 18:16.30 | epsilon | Tridon343: then NTFS |
| 18:16.34 | Judge-- | skarka the sshd is running, I could sucessfully connect |
| 18:16.35 | nsadmin | the ssh -vvv thing is now unnecessary, you know where the problem is |
| 18:16.36 | epsilon | and pray |
| 18:16.46 | Judge-- | nsadmin did I? |
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| 18:16.55 | Judge-- | the server firewall? |
| 18:17.09 | nsadmin | well you know that it's something about the connection |
| 18:17.10 | Judge-- | just to remind, I can ping the server from my notebook |
| 18:17.18 | nsadmin | let' |
| 18:17.23 | nsadmin | s get specific |
| 18:17.27 | Judge-- | how can I test if its the Debian's fireall? |
| 18:17.36 | Judge-- | firewall* |
| 18:17.38 | nsadmin | give your machines names |
| 18:17.46 | Tridon343 | but would you advise me to format my external HDD into ext (the one I will only use for myself, docket at my debian-pc) |
| 18:17.51 | Tridon343 | ? |
| 18:17.59 | nsadmin | and tell us the names |
| 18:18.15 | nsadmin | so you have this debian server... |
| 18:18.24 | nsadmin | what do you call that? |
| 18:18.30 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 18:18.42 | Judge-- | nsadmin Revoltz |
| 18:18.49 | Judge-- | nsadmin my notebook is called paulors |
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| 18:19.44 | nsadmin | ok, so... |
| 18:19.53 | nsadmin | what os is paulors running? |
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| 18:20.13 | skarka | i upgraded to squeeze and i need to install debhelper because of drivers and i get some dependences and it ended with "Depends: perl but it is not going to be installed" but i have already perl installed..what i do wrong? |
| 18:20.18 | Judge-- | Win7 |
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| 18:20.49 | bolt | booting Debian off of a memory card, how can I absolutely minimize disk writes? like, I don't even care about the logfiles. it's a laptop. I'm never gonna read them. |
| 18:20.50 | nsadmin | ok, and what client are you using on win7 |
| 18:21.20 | Judge-- | Putty |
| 18:21.29 | nsadmin | never say never :P |
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| 18:22.05 | bolt | nsadmin: true enough. but i could always revert my changes if i really need them some day |
| 18:22.25 | bolt | nsadmin: and if i want past log files, that's been written to a ramdrive or whatever, i'm screwed |
| 18:22.28 | bolt | nsadmin: i'm fine with that |
| 18:22.31 | nsadmin | true... I guess you could fail to run syslogd |
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| 18:23.38 | nsadmin | I'm not sure if that will break parts of your system or not, btw |
| 18:24.27 | nsadmin | the nonbreaky way would be to reconfigure it instead, so it runs, but /dev/nulls any incoming log entries |
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| 18:24.49 | bolt | nsadmin: sounds like a better idea, that |
| 18:25.02 | bolt | nsadmin: i'll also turn off atime on the filesystem... anything else i should do? |
| 18:25.23 | nsadmin | not run anything that writes to the disk? |
| 18:25.41 | nsadmin | run everything in a ramdisk as much as possible? |
| 18:26.19 | bolt | yes, but what does that anything imply? are there other parts of a standard system that write to the disk often? |
| 18:26.47 | acu | GPL Open Source Question - (because I do not know which channel I should go) I am still confused by GPL - so let us say I customize a GPL2 application - I have the copyright for the code I contributed - but I cannot sell my customization |
| 18:26.51 | daswork | Grrr. |
| 18:26.52 | daswork | This sucks. |
| 18:26.56 | nsadmin | not sure... I guess you've already minimized dameons |
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| 18:27.01 | daswork | I may have to reload this system entirely. :( |
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| 18:27.47 | skarka | i upgraded to squeeze and i need to install debhelper because of drivers and i get some dependences and it ended with "Depends: perl but it is not going to be installed" but i have already perl installed..what i do wrong? |
| 18:27.55 | nsadmin | what do you mean "I cannot sell .." it? |
| 18:28.03 | daswork | WTF? |
| 18:28.10 | daswork | NODEV after polling detection |
| 18:29.02 | nsadmin | daswork, calm yourself, lay off enter key, and be specific about what you're talking about |
| 18:29.42 | daswork | nsadmin: Swapped out two ide optical drives with a sata optical drive. |
| 18:29.45 | daswork | Now, dmesg sees it. |
| 18:29.47 | daswork | ata3. |
| 18:29.53 | daswork | But devices don't show up. |
| 18:30.06 | acu | skarka - there is a specific way for FULL UPGRADE - http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 18:30.25 | daswork | Here's the paste: http://pastebin.com/VvMR4gUR |
| 18:31.09 | nsadmin | ata3 is apparantly a pata controller |
| 18:31.12 | daswork | wodim refuses to see it as well. |
| 18:31.37 | daswork | nsadmin: Bios weirdness? This is a SATA drive. |
| 18:31.37 | Judge-- | how can I know to wich interface the cable is connected to if I have 2 eth cards? |
| 18:32.14 | Bushmills | Judge--: looking where it is plugged in may help |
| 18:32.14 | daswork | I am really tempted to reload this system though. It's been upgraded since potato or woody. |
| 18:32.34 | Judge-- | Bushmills oh, really? |
| 18:32.35 | nsadmin | Judge--, find the mac address for each, type them on a label, stick the labels near the eth sockets |
| 18:32.42 | acu | Judge--, look with /sbin/ifconfig |
| 18:32.52 | Judge-- | yeah, but how can I know wich one is wich one? |
| 18:33.05 | skarka | acu i did it this way |
| 18:33.07 | Judge-- | I mean, I don't know wich card has each mac address |
| 18:33.10 | acu | lspci |
| 18:33.12 | nsadmin | connect one |
| 18:33.43 | nsadmin | make one of your interfaces go up |
| 18:33.51 | Judge-- | the cable is connected to just one card, If there's a way to see if there's a cable connected using some command I can identify wich card is wiach one |
| 18:33.56 | SineDeviance | hey guys, how can i check a package to see what it's alternatives are again? |
| 18:34.10 | nsadmin | are both interfaces up? |
| 18:34.13 | Bushmills | possibly mii-tool can detect and report connection. |
| 18:34.19 | Bushmills | didn't check that, though |
| 18:34.27 | acu | skarka: I feel that most probably your repositories are messed - look at your /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure you have proper settings - have only squeeze main contrib non-free - do not mix it with other repo |
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| 18:34.42 | Judge-- | nsadmin it seems so |
| 18:34.48 | nsadmin | SineDeviance: again? the same way you did the first time! |
| 18:34.57 | SineDeviance | nsadmin: i dont remember |
| 18:35.08 | o2T7 | Hello I'm having a recurrent problem with a server: `hdparm -T /dev/sda` -> "Timing cached reads: 242 MB in 2.00 seconds = 120.93 MB/sec" |
| 18:35.09 | Judge-- | nsadmin it says the ip for one is 192.168.1.101 and for the other it is 169.254.193.43 |
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| 18:35.19 | o2T7 | What could be the cause for that¿ |
| 18:35.27 | acu | Judge--, if you do /sbin/ifconfig the card which has got a IP address is the one connected (supposedly - you have your computerd connected to a dhcp - router or something) |
| 18:35.33 | nsadmin | Judge--, look at route -n |
| 18:35.51 | nsadmin | which interface is the default route thru? |
| 18:35.58 | Judge-- | hum |
| 18:36.21 | Judge-- | both appears there |
| 18:36.30 | nsadmin | so both are up. |
| 18:36.32 | acu | Judge-- you can look too at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:36.33 | thewanderer1 | is there an IRC client that will allow me to choose a person whose messages I'd like to highlight in the current window? |
| 18:36.34 | Judge-- | in first place it shows eth0 |
| 18:37.00 | acu | Judge--, you can nano /etc/network/interfaces of cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:37.06 | daswork | thewanderer1: Irssi should, with enough tweaking. |
| 18:37.12 | daswork | Probably more complicated than you want though. |
| 18:37.32 | thewanderer1 | err, something graphical? |
| 18:37.52 | daswork | thewanderer1: Does xchat have a script depository/plugins? |
| 18:37.54 | Judge-- | acu seems that it is eth0 |
| 18:38.00 | nsadmin | is running iceweasel 3.0, on lenny... should I upgrade to the backports one? this one leaks mem like a sieve |
| 18:38.07 | acu | Judge--, judge - you can change the network cable to the other card and do a /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 18:38.32 | acu | then you go again /sbin/ifconfig or whatever |
| 18:38.48 | acu | OK - good so hopefully the price of bread will change |
| 18:38.49 | thewanderer1 | daswork: hmm I don't know |
| 18:38.50 | nsadmin | Judge--, or pastebin output of route -n |
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| 18:39.10 | nsadmin | why? do you sell bread? :) |
| 18:39.40 | SineDeviance | so... how can i check alternative depends for a package? |
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| 18:41.30 | skarka | acu i think i have correct source.list i use http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 18:42.07 | acu | daswork, you may have some right access issues - check whether you can see the CD as root - I bet you can - then you see your normal user if it has rights to mount etc - sometimes that get screwed --- alternatively you may want to look at some automount features |
| 18:42.17 | acu | skarka: paste it |
| 18:42.17 | lubuser | i have a dumb question |
| 18:42.22 | nsadmin | why? |
| 18:42.36 | nsadmin | where did you get it? |
| 18:42.44 | acu | lubuser: we do not think you can have a dumb question :) |
| 18:42.44 | nsadmin | when will you ask it? |
| 18:43.13 | lubuser | does XServer 1.7 include all .... so, 1.7.5 and so on for e.g.? |
| 18:43.34 | nsadmin | acu: some folks here do tend to differentiate... |
| 18:43.44 | acu | LOL |
| 18:44.14 | acu | how can I tell sharka !paste |
| 18:44.15 | skarka | acu |
| 18:44.15 | skarka | deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 18:44.15 | skarka | deb-src http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 18:44.30 | lubuser | if A is supported in XServer 1.7... that only includes 1.7.0 or all.... up to 1.7.9? |
| 18:44.34 | nsadmin | acu: they have these rules. "if they ask question X, they have no business doing any X.activity" |
| 18:44.45 | acu | LOL |
| 18:44.49 | lubuser | XServer 1.7 means 1.7.0? or? |
| 18:44.50 | acu | LOL |
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| 18:45.29 | nsadmin | lubuser, you can find which version of a package you have by doing dpkg -s packagename |
| 18:45.30 | lubuser | I'm asking because ATI site states hd 5xxx cards only supported in XServer 1.7 |
| 18:45.32 | acu | lubuser: what do you need exactly - what do you want to do ? - change resolution or what ? xrandr |
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| 18:45.41 | Judge-- | it's working |
| 18:45.43 | Judge-- | ty |
| 18:45.52 | lubuser | I wanna know if I should consider an ATI card for an upgrade LOL |
| 18:46.05 | nsadmin | Judge--, what's working? oh, well, glad it worked out |
| 18:46.15 | lubuser | acu, I just want info :) |
| 18:46.26 | Judge-- | the problem was in the router |
| 18:46.38 | lubuser | ati site only has three distros supported... |
| 18:46.42 | nsadmin | what was the problem? |
| 18:46.57 | Judge-- | the router firewall |
| 18:47.00 | lubuser | but supports XServer 1.7 ... can anyone explain? no ati card users here??? |
| 18:47.18 | Tridon343 | how long will it take to format a external 1 TB hdd to ext3? have you any clues or expierences with smaller hdds? |
| 18:47.22 | nsadmin | I have an ati chipset, but it's old |
| 18:47.32 | fxiny | mighty rage pro II user here :P |
| 18:48.03 | acu | lubuser: it is to sofisticated to know whether it works or not by asking X questions - do a google - put specific name of the card and Debian Squeeze - or linux - and you will find instantly at least a dozen people before you may have tried already - most cards work in Squeeze - of course if you need very specific 3 D features - you may want to download the manufacturer drives and compile them - but even Nvidia cards work fine now |
| 18:48.09 | nsadmin | and I use it partly because it's what's on my motherboard |
| 18:48.23 | franzn | exit |
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| 18:49.59 | acu | lubuser: the distro does not matter - because you are compiling the driver for your kernel - they usually have some simple run.sh file which does almost everything for you - but you may need to boot in maintenace mode |
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| 18:50.46 | acu | skarka: can you paste your entire sources.list ? |
| 18:50.47 | lubuser | ok |
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| 18:50.55 | moldovean | skarka, seems ok, see too: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 18:51.20 | lubuser | acu, I only have experience with nvidia driver installs |
| 18:51.43 | acu | lubuser: cool, so you are the man :) |
| 18:52.03 | acu | but It may work out of the box |
| 18:52.06 | acu | in squeeze |
| 18:52.10 | lubuser | acu, no, not really... usually doesn't go very well first try...lol |
| 18:52.47 | acu | because you are too creative |
| 18:52.54 | acu | stick to basics first |
| 18:53.08 | lubuser | but, I've done it in debian, ubuntu and sidux.. so, I am familiar with it more than anything to do with ati |
| 18:53.18 | acu | there is even a non-free firmware - cd for squeeze |
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| 18:54.04 | moldovean | lubuser, /msg dpkg radeon , etc |
| 18:54.07 | lubuser | ati has two different drivers and report of only support in the business distros... and different catalyst versions ... |
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| 18:55.42 | lubuser | i see |
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| 18:57.36 | puty | hi. how can i fix that?Failed to get Cell ID from server 127.0.0.1:27031. thanks |
| 18:58.14 | acu | puty: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 18:58.29 | acu | whad Debian distro do you use |
| 18:58.33 | Bushmills | puty: before being able to fix it, you need to examine the cause of the problem |
| 18:58.45 | puty | acu I'am trying install steam |
| 18:59.45 | puty | i have 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
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| 19:00.29 | puty | Bushmills ok but how i can examine cause? |
| 19:00.50 | puty | is install over wine |
| 19:01.04 | puty | is windows aplication |
| 19:01.15 | acu | puty: what is steam ? |
| 19:01.21 | Bushmills | puty: depends. usually, by being inventive trying different ways of doing diagnose |
| 19:01.25 | acu | I mean what steam are you installing |
| 19:01.25 | SineDeviance | okay |
| 19:01.30 | SineDeviance | i am finally getting somewhere |
| 19:01.53 | SineDeviance | i have one more problem i havent solved. i have a usb external hdd. when i try to open it as my normal user, i get "Error opening '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied" |
| 19:01.56 | puty | steam msi install (counter strike 1.6) |
| 19:02.02 | acu | puty: STEAM is a package in Debian - you can just go to Synaptic Package Manager and click two buttons |
| 19:02.10 | SineDeviance | it's NTFS. other NTFS partitions mount fine |
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| 19:02.13 | Bushmills | puty: eliminating potential error causes is often a good approach |
| 19:02.33 | acu | so all this windows business makes no sens |
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| 19:02.40 | SineDeviance | i can mount it using mount command fine, but that is a suboptimal solution |
| 19:02.41 | puty | acu really? ok |
| 19:02.46 | puty | thakns |
| 19:02.54 | puty | i will check it |
| 19:03.03 | acu | well if it is the same STEAM I think off |
| 19:03.21 | puty | steam for half.live |
| 19:03.30 | moldovean | , versions steam |
| 19:03.32 | judd | steam -- etch: 2.2.31-3; lenny: 2.2.31-4.3; sid: 2.2.31-6; squeeze: 2.2.31-6 |
| 19:04.06 | Bushmills | "sTeam provides a technical platform which allows groups of students, lecturers and any other groups to construct and arrange their individual and cooperative learning and working space." ... grin |
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| 19:04.14 | puty | you are right |
| 19:04.23 | puty | thanks to all. my mistake |
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| 19:05.48 | acu | puty: do not worry - all of us have a certain level of stupidity and craziness which cannot be fixed :) |
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| 19:06.53 | puty | yes i agree:) |
| 19:07.24 | puty | my mistake was google :) |
| 19:07.25 | acu | that is why we hang out here sometimes - with the hope that we can get fix at least the stupidity part - and man - I am hanging around here since few years - and I do not feel a lot smarter :) |
| 19:08.03 | acu | but at least I try to :) |
| 19:09.08 | puty | i installed steam like 5 years ago. this time dosn't exist steam on linux- I think:) |
| 19:09.11 | moldovean | acu, cam #offtopic .. |
| 19:09.41 | acu | LOL - indeed - out of the box - offtopic |
| 19:10.07 | nsadmin | acu: the tendency is people are forced to try to become smarter here, and therefore there is resistance to that |
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| 19:11.19 | nsadmin | "why should I become smarter in some direction that someone else is -telling- me to" is probably the dominant thought |
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| 19:11.32 | acu | nsadmin: LOL -- but the sad conclusion I draw here that CHANGE is the hardest thing a human can do - that is why we repeat every single small and big mistake in a loop until we hit the ground |
| 19:12.13 | acu | Change is RISKY - your brain will tell you do good even if you sleep under a bridge under a box - you are alive - therefore you are doing OK - everything else is risky |
| 19:12.21 | nsadmin | well as long as change is so hard (or is perceived as being so hard), it's not going to happen too often |
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| 19:13.01 | acu | Change is not always good - stability matters |
| 19:13.07 | moldovean | ... definitely !ot |
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| 19:15.42 | nsadmin | moldovean: including this... so long as helpers on #debian have a mean streak ("If you are asking X, YOU ARE STUPID and YOU SHOULD NOT BE DOING ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES YOU TO BE SMART"), the topic is likely to change :P |
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| 19:16.20 | acu | An example of good resistance to change is even here - this is technical support channel - not some deep thoughts social and neuroscience discussions - so the resistance to change the subject and focus is a must - thanks to moldovean - we need police (or rather militia) :) |
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| 19:18.21 | moldovean | acu, http://neuro.debian.net/ .. |
| 19:18.38 | acu | LOL |
| 19:18.57 | moldovean | seems you like that .. |
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| 19:22.55 | nsadmin | moldovean: interesting... but what's in there? I looked everywhere (the faq, other pages) and it's everywhere approx one level of abstraction too high, including at the welcome page |
| 19:23.19 | nsadmin | it's like, "here's this project" and not a lot more |
| 19:23.30 | puty | acu this steam on repo isn't that i need ;) |
| 19:23.32 | acu | nsadmin: it is a suite of software which allows you to analyse brain imaging |
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| 19:24.01 | acu | puty: sorry |
| 19:24.09 | nsadmin | oh, so I don't have a brain imager... wait... (checks back pocket) nope, must have lost mine... |
| 19:24.10 | puty | :) don't worry |
| 19:24.12 | puty | :) |
| 19:24.24 | puty | all of us have |
| 19:24.28 | puty | :):):) |
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| 19:25.42 | puty | ok i'am trying install steam with wine (steam is on line count for online game on internet) |
| 19:25.58 | acu | nsadmin: we do not need it very much - we are much of a mess - a kludge - only 1% of DNA is really coding - and most of our brain is a total mess - |
| 19:26.01 | nsadmin | if there's NLP trainers and speedreading trainers... there's stuff I can use |
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| 19:26.24 | puty | but i get this error CellID: Failed to get Cell ID from server 127.0.0.1:27031 |
| 19:26.29 | acu | what is NLP |
| 19:26.45 | acu | puty: there is crossweaver |
| 19:27.02 | acu | and virtual computing - kvm - virtual manager - then install windows |
| 19:27.04 | nsadmin | check wikipedia for that, unless there's a trainer in debian it's ot |
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| 19:28.24 | puty | acu what is it? |
| 19:29.51 | acu | puty: crosweavers - speciall software which allows you install windows application in Linux |
| 19:29.54 | nsadmin | if I have an old set of partitions which was a standalone debian install, can it be started with kvm? how? |
| 19:30.41 | puty | i have wine and should be work |
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| 19:30.52 | acu | nsadmin: if they are as .img I think you can |
| 19:31.07 | puty | many people install it with wine without problems |
| 19:31.13 | acu | nsadmin: you have to install qemu-kvm and virtual-manager |
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| 19:31.37 | nsadmin | they are not an .img at all... |
| 19:31.40 | acu | the only interface to qemu-kvm you need is virtual manager (GUI) or virsh (text interface) |
| 19:31.56 | acu | there are backup sollutions which will make it as img |
| 19:31.59 | nsadmin | they are a full-on set of partitions |
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| 19:32.22 | nsadmin | can you make an empty image? |
| 19:32.33 | acu | you can boot with knoppix and back up your hdd as img - then create a virtual machine and point to that hard disk to open |
| 19:32.37 | nsadmin | or, can you run it with no images at all? |
| 19:32.44 | nsadmin | nono, not willing to do that |
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| 19:32.57 | nsadmin | I'll go back to xen before I do that |
| 19:33.09 | acu | why would you do that ? --- of course you can but is as you boot your computer without hard disk |
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| 19:34.01 | nsadmin | because it's my original debian which I dug out of an old computer shell and is now in this one |
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| 19:34.10 | nsadmin | in the form of an hd |
| 19:34.23 | acu | oh - that is even easier |
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| 19:34.40 | nsadmin | I'm hoping so :P |
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| 19:35.20 | acu | so you have debian squeeze running (and booted) from one hard disk - and have in the same computer another old harddisk - which is attached - and you want to make that a img and run it as virtual machine |
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| 19:35.40 | nsadmin | no, lenny |
| 19:35.49 | nsadmin | with the kvm modules installed |
| 19:36.21 | nsadmin | well hopefully I can avoid any images |
| 19:36.37 | nsadmin | I don't want to spend the disk space |
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| 19:39.11 | moldovean | acu, see also ;) maybe it's helping ;) http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/index.en.html |
| 19:39.20 | acu | well that would be your asignemnt - but I am sure you can back your existing hard disk as img - than erase the data in that disk - copy that img to the disk and point with virtual manager to it |
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| 19:40.09 | nsadmin | acu: that would be a LOT of work... |
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| 19:41.11 | bolt | "Before installing, make sure no other application are running on your computer" - gotta love windows installs. What, I'm supposed to exit explorer, systray, my graphics card tray...? |
| 19:41.17 | nsadmin | I'd want to go completely the opposite way: create an image as minimal as possible... hopefully just the kernel, and a pointer to the / partition |
| 19:41.18 | bolt | loves linux more every day |
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| 19:41.52 | nsadmin | bolt: or windows less? :) |
| 19:42.03 | bolt | nsadmin: :D |
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| 19:43.07 | acu | moldovean: yes - debian med has done some beautiful things - actually I am working on developing comprehensive IT infrastructure for hospitals - and I will pitch in debian med - - as everything else in open source - free libre movement - there is a lot of scattering and wastage - I want to create the universal health care solutions - valid in Tanganika or Mayo CLinic - but I am still digging at my foundation (specifications etc) |
| 19:43.26 | nsadmin | It's like this... if you invest in a precious metal like silver or gold, you have something that's not going to change in value, while the value of currency drops like a rock in the meantime |
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| 19:44.03 | acu | nsadmin: they are bot valueless |
| 19:44.18 | acu | gold is just a piece of metal - is really toxic |
| 19:44.19 | moldovean | acu, good to hear ;-) |
| 19:44.20 | acu | if you eat it |
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| 19:45.05 | bocaneri | Gold is not toxic. |
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| 19:45.11 | nsadmin | acu: according to one source, silver is a 17.5 year halfcycle, now going up and we're 10 years into it |
| 19:45.44 | acu | moldovean :) of course republic of moldova (domain md) Medical Doctor - has to benefit from such a healthcare solution - it is ridiculous how primitive this world is |
| 19:45.50 | cirzgamanti | hi, is there somewhere on the horizon the function that i plug in a second monitor, and can configure it via some nice gui, without having to edit xorg.conf? |
| 19:46.25 | nsadmin | would the horizon be far to drive to? |
| 19:46.46 | acu | bocaneri: who told you that - there is nanogold technology - particle of gold coated with different drugs - but the problem is that gold once in your body - cannot be eliminated and there are more effects than you think of -- and we are WAY OFF TOPIC :) |
| 19:47.40 | bocaneri | That's not a problem with toxicity, it's a problem with accumulation, but you are correct, and I apologise. I misread this channels' tab, thinking it said "defocus". |
| 19:47.41 | nsadmin | if you buy silver/gold coins... DO NOT clean them... |
| 19:47.57 | acu | cirgamanti: yes - there is - NVIdia driver - (from manufacturer) installs a bunch of managers including dual monitor |
| 19:48.23 | stew | cirzgamanti: i don't know about a gui, but you can configure both monitors using xrandr. and you shouldn't need an xorg.conf at all |
| 19:48.31 | acu | cirzgamanti, how the heck did you choose this nick ? --- but there is Xrandr which allows you to configure dual head |
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| 19:49.15 | cirzgamanti | acu: it's lojban .ui |
| 19:49.24 | cirzgamanti | thx you two dr |
| 19:49.27 | cirzgamanti | er, :) |
| 19:50.03 | stew | je'e |
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| 19:50.14 | acu | cirzgamanti, also in Debian Squeeze you may GO in KDE - to SETTINGS - SYSTEM SETTINGS - COmputer Administration - Display |
| 19:50.24 | acu | That may do the job |
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| 19:50.44 | cirzgamanti | coi .stu. .u'i |
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| 19:51.49 | cirzgamanti | acu: i was there, but it says i don't have a multi-monitor configuration. |
| 19:54.18 | acu | OK, guys I have to go and get born - I was mentioning how primitive this world is - the question what exactly am I doing to make it less primitive - though I would start with Real Life Application of Human Wisdom - Religion and Neurobiology of Positive Psychology - as the most basic begining - if you know why you are mean, or sad, or happy - and know why other failed to get out and live an everlasting bliss - maybe you can change (though change is d |
| 19:54.18 | acu | angerous) ::)) |
| 19:54.23 | JohninLex | you know debian has been around since 1993, and it is a great operating system, but what gets me is the site has been the same way for years. it ia always hard to find what you are looking for, I wish I was able to write, I would love to add a few hundred pages on the wiki explaning how to do thing but hell I am still a newb to debian. but it is still a amazing OS |
| 19:55.24 | acu | cirzgamanti, you may try compiz and other contorted but possibly useful methods (I think Ubuntu may have more people in Compiz than in here) |
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| 19:56.47 | acu | JohniLex: what to write if you are a newb - you need to know what is going in on to write the news -it was a german guy before - he wrote regular debian news - weekly - he did such an amazing job - we were all in the loop (I mean non developers mere mortals ) :) |
| 19:57.53 | JohninLex | acu: you are right, if I can not find what I am looking for, and do not know how to fix it I darn sure can not write about it |
| 19:57.58 | frikinz | does anyone know what ian murdock is doing now? Still at sun bought by oracle the biggest anti open source company? |
| 19:57.59 | acu | but you are right - is seem so disjointed - the website does not on the frontpage to most relevant things |
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| 19:58.40 | moldovean | JohninLex, so locking for ? |
| 19:58.42 | abrotman | JohninLex: they're working on getting it changed, most of the work is done apparently |
| 19:59.03 | acu | frikinz et al - are we in the offtopic chanel ? |
| 19:59.33 | acu | JohninLex: yes - you got it now - just ask your question |
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| 19:59.41 | acu | You will be amazed |
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| 20:00.02 | acu | We are real humans |
| 20:00.11 | acu | At least some |
| 20:00.12 | abrotman | mostly |
| 20:00.21 | frikinz | acu, why is asking about the creator of debian offtopic in .. #debian ? mmhh |
| 20:00.38 | acu | because this is Technical Support CHannel |
| 20:00.52 | abrotman | frikinz: ask google, i believe it's public information |
| 20:00.55 | acu | The OffTopic - is for rambling and social ranting |
| 20:01.04 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: General discussions like that are appropriate in #debian-offtopic. |
| 20:01.20 | acu | but also for serious Deep THoughts - about anything your little baby brain can produce |
| 20:01.50 | nsadmin | acu: DWN? Joey Hess? |
| 20:02.06 | JohninLex | well guys I took a really old laptop and installed Debian, this system is 233mhz, 65mb of ram and a wopping 2.2gig hd, I install the base system, and built from there, I now have a desktop of lxde which is fine for this laptop, but for some reason I skipped over adding my self to sudo, and I can not find how to add it, when I use gpasswd -a <username> <device> I can add edverthing except for optical, |
| 20:02.08 | JohninLex | and sudours |
| 20:02.51 | frikinz | nanogold technology is on topic right? |
| 20:02.58 | gnarface | JohninLex: you have sudo actually installed? |
| 20:03.03 | JohninLex | oh and lp failed as well but I really do not need to be able to print |
| 20:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | JohninLex: visudo is the tool to update the sudoers file. |
| 20:03.23 | JohninLex | gnarface: yes |
| 20:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | !sudo |
| 20:03.24 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 20:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | JohninLex: Generally the debian approach is to use su - instead of sudo. |
| 20:04.00 | JohninLex | jhutchins_lt: that is what I was looking for thanks, |
| 20:04.09 | abrotman | JohninLex: you don't have to use sudo at all |
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| 20:04.22 | JohninLex | I do tend to use su to get to root |
| 20:04.54 | jhutchins_lt | sudo is more appropriate for multi-user systems where you need to know who ran what command and possibly give restricted access to privileged tools. |
| 20:05.03 | nsadmin | just don't stay logged in as root, and your system will breathe easier :) |
| 20:05.08 | JohninLex | but when you fail to install something it can be a pian to find a way to fix it |
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| 20:06.36 | cirzgamanti | i seem to have alsa library 1.0.23 and driver 1.0.20 since the last upgrade. any idea how to easily fix this? i don't have sound this way. |
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| 20:09.31 | JohninLex | let me make sure I have this right EDITOR=nano visudo right |
| 20:09.46 | JohninLex | sorry I still can not use VI or VIM |
| 20:10.34 | thewanderer11 | hey, I'm getting this error on Debian when starting an OpenVZ container: vps-net_add WARNING: Device list is empty |
| 20:10.41 | gnarface | you could try emacs or mg too, JohninLex |
| 20:10.43 | thewanderer11 | I've just created it... |
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| 20:12.23 | nsadmin | nano is easy to figure out, very simple, does one thing pretty well |
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| 20:12.45 | changedsoul | secutity question: Im still atempting to encrypt my system, reading trough tutorials and what not, mainly in case my laptop is stolen, but also for learning. Im wiping the partition with dd using /dev/urandom. Problem is, its going to take 16hours :O. Cant I dd a say gig file with urandom and then just write that all across the disk. that way it only has to random a gig and then just copy the rest. does this make sense? |
| 20:12.50 | nsadmin | emacs and vi* are both kitchen-sink type things |
| 20:12.56 | o2T7 | thewanderer11: did you run `vzctl set $ID --ipadd $IPADDRESS --save` ? |
| 20:13.30 | JohninLex | oh I like how VI* looks and feels but I get in to trouble saving and exiting |
| 20:13.54 | cirzgamanti | JohninLex: it's got a steep learning curve, but will pay off for the rest of your life :) |
| 20:13.55 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.58 | thewanderer11 | o2T7: yes. alright, this is a bug in OpenVZ. |
| 20:14.05 | thewanderer11 | I think it's not known yet |
| 20:14.10 | Bushmills | or :q! for exting without saving |
| 20:14.11 | thewanderer11 | already got a fix |
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| 20:15.39 | JohninLex | Bushmills: for me to exit I have been using ctrl c ctrl c ctrl c until I get out lol |
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| 20:16.55 | Bushmills | there are cheat sheets on most used vi commands, you know? |
| 20:17.19 | JohninLex | yea I have it somewhere on this desktop of mine |
| 20:17.58 | nsadmin | the main thing to watch out for with any vi* is the fact it has modes, which you do -not- want if you're trying to also have thoughts... |
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| 20:18.33 | Bushmills | doesn't help to have it on the desktop when you don't look at it |
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| 20:20.02 | cirzgamanti | JohninLex: there's also a #vim channel, they'll help you out if you encounter problems. |
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| 20:21.39 | JohninLex | I got it, for some reasome <username> ALL=(all) ALL doesnt work |
| 20:21.46 | JohninLex | lol |
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| 20:21.55 | DDRP | I should start using vim, so that I can become more elite at work |
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| 20:23.02 | nsadmin | "elite" is a relationship between yourself and another person... so you want to run vi in order for someone else to see you in some particular way? |
| 20:23.28 | cirzgamanti | DDRP: if you get the hang of it, you'll speed up repetitive tasks enormously. |
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| 20:23.46 | JohninLex | needs some tea now after all that, but it was easy after jhutchins_lt pointed me in the right direction, I gues it is at least good to know some CLI work |
| 20:23.55 | cirzgamanti | be aware that too much automation may make you superfluous and cost you your job ;) |
| 20:24.01 | brah | What's the 'Debian way' to allow my user to edit /var/www? |
| 20:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | brah: Make the user a member of www-data |
| 20:24.23 | DDRP | T nsadmin, yeah, mainly my boss, because he uses vim and people who work in support who think silly things, just so they know I am well above them |
| 20:24.24 | brah | Cool. |
| 20:25.08 | nsadmin | so you want to be seen as above them... wear platform shoes? |
| 20:25.16 | DDRP | heh... we have so much work to do it's untrue... a different editor will probably not make me superfluous |
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| 20:25.48 | DDRP | T nsadmin What's to stop them coming to work using stilts? |
| 20:26.15 | nsadmin | security in themselves? |
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| 20:26.34 | DDRP | nah, they don't have that |
| 20:26.54 | nsadmin | do you? |
| 20:27.08 | jordanm | !tell DDRP about emacs |
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| 20:27.25 | DDRP | Yeah but my boss is sure to respect I more if I use vim.... and maybe even more if I used Python, but I'm not prepared to do that ;) |
| 20:27.53 | jordanm | everyone should know some vi, but your text editor should be your preference |
| 20:27.55 | DDRP | Emacs isn't installed over the whole network like vim and nano are ;( |
| 20:28.11 | gnarface | vi is actually part of the posix standard. emacs is not |
| 20:28.16 | jordanm | DDRP: yes, I changed that at my work when I got there |
| 20:28.17 | gnarface | that said, i far prefer emacs |
| 20:28.28 | shylent | what? vi is part of posix standard? |
| 20:28.37 | gnarface | yes. it's not unix unless (among other things) it has vi |
| 20:28.38 | jordanm | except for some more minimal boxes, such as routers |
| 20:29.00 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 20:29.00 | dpkg | edlin bites! |
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| 20:29.19 | gnarface | but i like emacs. it's a great operating system ;) |
| 20:29.24 | timholum1 | Hello I have a question about a cron job, I have 2 cron jobs that I would like to run every other min I know for one of them I have to have the time at */2 * * * * user command but for the one that I want to run on odd minutes how do I do that, would it be (*/2) -1 * * * * or something else? |
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| 20:29.41 | abrotman | moves the editor discussion to #debian-offtopifc |
| 20:29.44 | DDRP | lulz @ dpkg saying peop,e set init=/usr/bin/emacs |
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| 20:30.20 | DDRP | surely you shouldn't rely on something in /usr for an init replacement |
| 20:30.40 | nsadmin | it's ok if you only have one partition |
| 20:30.59 | brah | jhutchins, and also chmod -R 655 /var/www ? |
| 20:31.01 | nsadmin | but marginally so |
| 20:31.48 | DDRP | T timholum1: Hrm, I don't have a good idea for that, you could do 1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21..... |
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| 20:32.08 | DDRP | or maybe sleep 60 as part of the job? |
| 20:32.31 | DDRP | or schedule it for the following minute with at? |
| 20:32.35 | abrotman | timholum1: you could have one script that runs every minute and runs half on the even, half on the odd |
| 20:32.38 | nsadmin | pieces of vi are interesting tho. maybe you could go further and look at ed and sed |
| 20:32.40 | gnarface | brah: i think you want 2665 |
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| 20:32.59 | brah | :| let's look that up. |
| 20:33.14 | jordanm | don't give you webserver write access unless your application requires it |
| 20:33.30 | DDRP | sed is pretty useful, I use that a lot, but not really got the hang of gawk |
| 20:33.35 | brah | Yeah, it has to write pdfs. |
| 20:34.00 | nsadmin | you might find python easier to learn than either sed or awk |
| 20:34.08 | jordanm | give it only write access to the pdfs/ dir if applicable |
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| 20:34.30 | timholum1 | abrotman and DDRP, Both would work I guess, I was hoping to just have in the crontab, but I think I will try the having it sleep for a min, Thanks for your help |
| 20:34.39 | gnoob | Hi guys, im having a strange problem = I cant find out how to make the gnome-screensaver (slideshow) show my pictures.. The config file has a line Exec=slideshow and I added --location=/home/user/location still doesnt work.. Do I need eog installed you think? |
| 20:34.56 | gnarface | brah: jordanm is right. set it to 2665 but chgroup everything to a group your developers share that is NOT www-data. you don't want to give the webserver write to the docroot under any circumstances. it might be acceptable if you're careful to give it write to a parallel directory then use your scripting language to answer requests and then do a readfile or something like that |
| 20:35.20 | brah | Is there any document on this subject? |
| 20:35.39 | nsadmin | gnoob: when you say you can't, do you mean you don't know how to find out? or choose to not? |
| 20:36.01 | gnarface | brah: about filesystem permissions? other than the man pages for chmod/chgrp and the debian policy manual? |
| 20:36.23 | brah | No, permissions for the www folder. |
| 20:36.32 | nsadmin | brah: a lot of sources about permissions |
| 20:37.02 | gnarface | i haven't seen any acceptable advice anywhere on the internet. tutorials based around free web software usually tell you to just chmod 777 everything, and that's definitely unacceptable. |
| 20:37.04 | jordanm | brah: the goal when securing is typically always giving the most limited permission set while still getting functionality |
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| 20:37.36 | nsadmin | brah: you need to learn about permissions and ownerships in general... permissions over one folder is just like permissions over another |
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| 20:37.54 | jordanm | !tell brah about permissions |
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| 20:41.12 | gnoob | nsadmin dont know how to find out |
| 20:41.32 | nsadmin | ok, |
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| 20:42.38 | nsadmin | hmm. I'm not running gnome, so I don't know how much I can find out about it... |
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| 20:43.49 | DDRP | chmod 777 should be an alias for /sbin/halt |
| 20:44.08 | gnoob | nsadmin, you use xscreensaver? |
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| 20:46.41 | changedsoul | does anyone know if its possible to dd a file repeatidly across a partotion/ |
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| 20:47.00 | abrotman | you mean .. to have multiple copies of the file ? |
| 20:47.03 | nsadmin | "use" is a strong word lately, but it runs |
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| 20:47.47 | abrotman | changedsoul: what are you really trying to do /. |
| 20:47.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:47.57 | timholum1 | DDRP and abrotman: I figured it out, it is 1-59/2 somehow that works :) |
| 20:48.17 | DDRP | o rly? I'll have to remember that |
| 20:48.47 | changedsoul | abrotman: I mean to create a flle from /dev/urandom, then spit that back onto a drive multiple times, thus saving me the overhead of urandom for the whole disk. |
| 20:49.10 | gnoob | nsadmin to Hull with the screensavers.. im using eog instead. Looks like it pretty scriptable and able to do what i need : Show a slideshow og photos automaticly after logging in :) |
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| 20:50.39 | abrotman | changedsoul: dban.sf.net |
| 20:51.57 | moldovean | gnoob, i use feh Desktop/Screenshot.png |
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| 20:52.21 | fraga | hello there |
| 20:53.39 | gnoob | moldovean: Thanks for tip, ill look in to it! :) |
| 20:53.57 | moldovean | np |
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| 20:56.02 | sdi | Hi.I made a simple-cdd. http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto |
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| 20:56.39 | sdi | But looks like I have trouble in installing package in this cd |
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| 20:56.59 | sdi | debian "E: couldn't find package" after my trying to install |
| 20:57.07 | sdi | vim,openssh |
| 20:58.13 | sdi | but inside pool there exist openssh |
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| 20:58.57 | sdi | and I did mount that cd |
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| 21:08.20 | BLZbubba | is there a way for dpkg to show a list of files in a package? |
| 21:08.29 | BLZbubba | but only the ones that are symlinks? |
| 21:08.57 | BLZbubba | or a way for find to read paths from stdin or at the end of the command |
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| 21:20.53 | thewanderer1 | BLZbubba: export LANG=C; dpkg -L $PACKAGENAME | while read fname; do [ "$(stat $fname)" = "symbolic link" ] && echo $fname; done; --- not tested! |
| 21:21.02 | thewanderer1 | should give you an idea tho |
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| 21:21.42 | thewanderer1 | er, I missed the --format=%F switch in stat. |
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| 21:25.43 | bolt | is there some switch i can send to ssh to avoid having it save the public key of the machine i'm connecting to? i have this machine which is on dhcp, and i'd like my known hosts file not to fill up with its key for every ip |
| 21:26.36 | bolt | asking because a friend just connected his laptop, and it happened to get the same ip as mine has had before, causing ssh to whine about keys and ip's |
| 21:26.49 | gnarface | bolt: you have control over the dhcp server? it would be a far better solution to configure the dhcp server to just always give that machine the same IP (by mac address perhaps) |
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| 21:27.23 | bolt | gnarface: i know. don't really feel like doing that in this case, though. there has to be a switch for connecting once to something? |
| 21:27.37 | ngomes | offtopic does anyone uses thomson router hack ? |
| 21:28.06 | gnarface | bolt: i don't know actually. i wouldn't be surprised if it did not though, because that would be considered a huge security vulnerability |
| 21:28.19 | gnarface | (man-in-the-middle attacks) |
| 21:28.42 | bolt | not any more of a vulnerability than the first time you connect to any machine, though |
| 21:28.46 | bolt | you just have to check the key |
| 21:30.02 | gnarface | yes but you multiply your chance of risk. what you're suggesting is like saying that having unprotected sex once is no less dangerous than having unprotected sex 1000 times |
| 21:30.27 | gnarface | blindfolded |
| 21:32.00 | bolt | what i'm suggesting is a one-night stand, actually. and i don't want any luggage left behind, like, say, strange keys or something. |
| 21:32.57 | gnarface | ssh and sshd both have man pages. their config files may have their own man pages too (i forget) you could look there |
| 21:33.59 | gnarface | i'd still strongly advise you to just configure your network properly though. ssh servers should have static ip addresses |
| 21:34.18 | gnarface | (even if said "static" ip is handed out by a dhcp server) |
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| 21:35.13 | ngomes | offtopic does anyone uses thomson router hack ? |
| 21:35.26 | Tramp | bolt: man ssh_config, check the StrictHostKeyChecking optione |
| 21:35.35 | DDRP | Hmm... I'd still like the 1000 sex sessions |
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| 21:35.59 | gnarface | DDRP: i like to at least know their names first :-p |
| 21:36.52 | bolt | gnarface: ssh *servers*, yes. visiting laptops with ssh on them... neh |
| 21:37.08 | gnarface | bolt: it's still a server once you open ports.... |
| 21:37.28 | gnarface | even a palm pilot can be a server |
| 21:37.35 | DDRP | Only because otherwise you'd get an undefined variable error during the session when she said 'say my name' and talked dirty |
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| 21:38.45 | thewanderer1 | why does havp want to mount a loop device? |
| 21:39.27 | thewanderer1 | my system doesn't support loop devices and I just want to tell havp to go and enjoy its own cozy directory instead of mounting some crap |
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| 21:40.00 | gnarface | thewanderer1: modprobe loop ? |
| 21:40.13 | gnarface | isn't familiar with havp |
| 21:41.11 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: hell no, this system does not and will never support loop devices |
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| 21:41.31 | thewanderer1 | I'm in openvz and I can't use kernel threads, and loop mounts use kernel threads |
| 21:42.28 | gnarface | ooh |
| 21:42.30 | gnarface | ouch |
| 21:42.46 | gnarface | well some stuff requires a real server, that's all i know for sure about virtual machines |
| 21:42.49 | thewanderer1 | yeah, and this havp software is very optimistic by making such assumptions |
| 21:43.02 | thewanderer1 | pending hack |
| 21:43.50 | thewanderer1 | oh, it's not havp, it's just the Debian init script. |
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| 21:45.37 | maher | i have two keyboards, and I want to change some keys on one of them - should I use hal or odev or something else? |
| 21:45.46 | maher | s/odev/udev/ |
| 21:47.07 | gnarface | maher: xmodmap probably, or xorg.conf, i'm guessing. never tried that myself |
| 21:47.10 | JohninLex | hey is there any other package manager for debian other than Synaptic? I would like something ligth weigth |
| 21:47.26 | gnarface | JohninLex: try out apt-get or aptitude |
| 21:47.44 | nachoL | maher: I used xmodmap |
| 21:48.02 | thewanderer1 | alright, so havp turned out to be hackable - Debian Developers indeed think about almost every use case |
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| 21:48.17 | maher | xmodmap changes the keys for all attached keyboards, so I don't want to do that |
| 21:48.36 | thewanderer1 | JohninLex: aptitude |
| 21:48.58 | JohninLex | yea I know about those gnarface, but sometimes I can not think of the app I would want and it is nice to be able to at least search with out haveing to bothering everyone |
| 21:49.14 | gnarface | JohninLex: you can do apt-cache search or aptitude search |
| 21:49.58 | gnarface | JohninLex: don't know about aptitude but i know apt-cache will even take regexp patterns for search parameters. i'd expect aptitude to be no different in that regard |
| 21:50.35 | gnarface | JohninLex: if you wanna be really old-school you could try dselect - i could never figure it out myself though |
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| 21:50.52 | JohninLex | I would not think apt- and aptitude would have been that advance I should give it more credit |
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| 21:52.08 | gnarface | JohninLex: apt-* utils and aptitude are the preferred package managers by most debian admins. |
| 21:52.43 | gnarface | lately it seems that aptitude is gaining popularity |
| 21:53.22 | JohninLex | gnarface: I have alway thought that aptitude was the stronger of the 2 |
| 21:54.21 | gnarface | maybe so. that's the prevailing opinion in this channel at least. i haven't messed with it much because apt-get never fails me |
| 21:55.52 | JohninLex | but this is only a opioion, because I have far less experince with debian |
| 21:57.15 | gnarface | supposedly aptitude does better with conflict resolution and broken packages and such |
| 21:57.25 | Tramp | !why aptitude |
| 21:57.25 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 21:58.00 | JohninLex | so would it be wrong to use both |
| 21:58.09 | gnarface | no, they're interchangeable |
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| 21:58.30 | gnarface | but like emacs vs vim - you'll generally find yourself gravitating to one or the other |
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| 21:59.23 | nachoL | I *think* that aptitude and apt-get can be alternated. Not so any of the two and dselect |
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| 22:00.12 | kjs | lol |
| 22:00.24 | JohninLex | well I have been on debian for 3 days and I have already found a bug, or an id10t issue, mostlikly an id10t issue |
| 22:00.27 | kjs | emacs is lame |
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| 22:00.37 | kjs | JohninLex: go on |
| 22:00.41 | JohninLex | lol |
| 22:00.44 | nachoL | emacs? lame? no way! |
| 22:00.48 | kjs | whats the bug? apt is faster than yum ? |
| 22:01.09 | kjs | omg there are more packages and everything makes sense? |
| 22:01.14 | JohninLex | Oh I have always thought yaourt was faster, lol |
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| 22:02.10 | JohninLex | I just install wmbattery, and for somereasone with acpi errors it does not pick up the battery |
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| 22:02.45 | W8TVI | ok, I've tired to google an answer and I'm not finding anything. I'm intalling lenny netinstall and it has been setting at configuring gnome-system-tools for the last 20 minutes. |
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| 22:03.07 | jhutchins | W8TVI: Sounds stuck. |
| 22:03.07 | W8TVI | I can switch VTs and busybox lets me log in |
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| 22:03.29 | jhutchins | Wonder if some dialog window has failed to come to the top. |
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| 22:03.49 | W8TVI | jhutchins: I'm doing textmode install |
| 22:03.59 | thewanderer1 | W8TVI: switch to vty4 and see what it tells you |
| 22:04.01 | maher | W8TVI: you can do crt-alt-f2 to grab a spare console and investigate |
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| 22:04.16 | kjs | emacs has exploitable mailmove ;) |
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| 22:05.17 | W8TVI | er... it it has there is errors about unknown keycodes from this media keyboard... |
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| 22:06.23 | W8TVI | ok, and dmesg shows no errors other than the ones about the keyboard. |
| 22:06.44 | nachoL | kjs: you mean "movemail"? |
| 22:07.04 | thewanderer1 | W8TVI: have you run out of disk space? check. |
| 22:07.43 | W8TVI | thewanderer1: nope. got plenty |
| 22:09.25 | W8TVI | I'd rather this thing just go and die or lock up hard... |
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| 22:09.52 | IRConan | is it possible to build a custom kernel using two of the featuresets from the kernel packages? |
| 22:10.19 | maher | W8TVI: use ps to see what processes are running - see if you can guess where its got stuck |
| 22:10.46 | maher | W8TVI: did you send the console an inadvertant ctrl-s? |
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| 22:11.13 | W8TVI | maher: I could have... I was messing with installing my KVM |
| 22:12.21 | W8TVI | debconf -o d-i /usr/bin/main-menu is the only thing thats not S or SW |
| 22:12.36 | maher | W8TVI: ctrl-q gets rid of the ctrl-s |
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| 22:13.22 | W8TVI | well, I sent it ctrl-q |
| 22:13.35 | W8TVI | no luck. |
| 22:14.12 | W8TVI | what the heck? |
| 22:14.24 | JohninLex | oh that sounds good |
| 22:14.57 | W8TVI | JohninLex: whats that? |
| 22:15.12 | JohninLex | 18:13:53 W8TVI | what the heck? |
| 22:15.23 | W8TVI | oh. |
| 22:15.37 | W8TVI | just frustrated |
| 22:16.03 | maher | W8TVI: if you don't mind having a partially broken install try crtl-c to kill the current process and see if it recovers... |
| 22:16.12 | JohninLex | W8TVI: with your knowledge would would you not take the debian5 cd and install the base and build from there, just a question |
| 22:16.54 | W8TVI | I'm just doing a netinstall and I didn't want to mess with downloading a bunch of CD ISOs |
| 22:16.54 | JohninLex | if he can do it you can to!!! |
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| 22:17.35 | JohninLex | you just need the first one to get started |
| 22:17.39 | W8TVI | The ctrl-c... It does nothing! |
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| 22:18.13 | W8TVI | well this install seems to have gotten past all the downloading and installing, now its in the config mode |
| 22:18.16 | W8TVI | I'm guessing. |
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| 22:18.56 | W8TVI | ok, I killed it, and now its restarting |
| 22:19.07 | thewanderer1 | now why do havp and squid use up 1GB of RAM? |
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| 22:19.18 | W8TVI | and it knows it failed... lets try this again. |
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| 22:19.51 | limpio | hi, what kernel is Sid using at the moment? thank you! |
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| 22:20.30 | JohninLex | 2.2.14 |
| 22:20.33 | JohninLex | :) |
| 22:20.48 | limpio | c'mon... |
| 22:21.03 | JohninLex | I would say 2.6.33 or 2.6.34 |
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| 22:21.24 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 22:21.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 22:22.12 | limpio | judd: thanks bud! |
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| 22:22.54 | JohninLex | hey I was not off by much guessing with 2.6.33 when it was 2.6.32 |
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| 22:26.08 | jhutchins | JohninLex: True, but pretty useless to throw a guess out when the actual answer is available. |
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| 22:27.08 | W8TVI | ok, I think this install has gone braindead. |
| 22:27.21 | JohninLex | jhutchins: you are right, sometimes I should just keep my mouth shut whwn I do not know for sure |
| 22:27.23 | W8TVI | now it won't talk to any of the mirrors |
| 22:28.52 | jhutchins | JohninLex: Just get that bot-fu up to speed! |
| 22:29.25 | W8TVI | ,rtfm |
| 22:29.31 | W8TVI | awww... |
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| 22:30.46 | jhutchins | W8TVI: Find it? Sounds like network problems. |
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| 22:35.28 | W8TVI | jhutchins: I can ping that box just fine and every other box works like normal |
| 22:37.01 | jhutchins | DNS? |
| 22:37.16 | W8TVI | works, too |
| 22:37.51 | W8TVI | and it keeps erroring out an whatever steps I try now. |
| 22:37.56 | W8TVI | I think I'll start over |
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| 22:38.38 | jhutchins | W8TVI: We have some recovery options. |
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| 22:38.45 | jhutchins | dpkg-reconfigure -a for one. |
| 22:39.42 | frex | My total memory was 4 gb. it was increased to 8 gb and then I got filesystem errors. Such a change like that, could cause it? |
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| 22:40.43 | W8TVI | jhutchins: I'm going to start over with CD1 of the set. |
| 22:40.48 | nsadmin | sounds coincidental to me' |
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| 22:41.08 | W8TVI | frex: I don't see how upping the ram would cause that. |
| 22:41.22 | nsadmin | now there's an ironic callsign... |
| 22:41.25 | frex | so dont I |
| 22:41.31 | o2T7 | frex: perhaps there is a defective RAM module |
| 22:41.53 | jhutchins | frex: Knocking a cable loose while installing the modules is far more likely. |
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| 22:42.37 | nsadmin | or (ugh) cracking the mobo while installing the ram |
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| 22:42.56 | nsadmin | you have to push kinda hard to install ram |
| 22:43.01 | zinx | nsadmin: erh, you generally don't have to push that hard |
| 22:43.27 | zinx | push it in, then push on each side to lock them in.. |
| 22:43.51 | nsadmin | some mobos also don't have (grounded) screwholes to support the mobo |
| 22:44.10 | nsadmin | not in the right places (at least on either side of the ram slots) |
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| 22:44.35 | nsadmin | but let's get away from that, and hope not |
| 22:45.15 | thewanderer1 | perhaps the motherboard does not really support 8GB RAM |
| 22:48.21 | JaVaSan | Hi, I'm running debian on another computer and I used to log in into it using NFS, but the NFS server is down. How to access the local driver of this computer in this case? I just need to copy some files from the local drive. |
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| 22:48.56 | zinx | thewanderer1: not uncommon |
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| 22:51.08 | thewanderer1 | JaVaSan: your question is not really clear (probably due to typos you've made), but you need some kind of server process to connect to - you can use SSH for that, for example. |
| 22:51.31 | nsadmin | JaVaSan: why is the nfs server down? |
| 22:51.44 | jhutchins | JaVaSan: ssh |
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| 22:52.22 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, energy outage |
| 22:52.58 | nsadmin | which caused a powerfail? if the machine is off, you can't copy files from it |
| 22:53.38 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, the machine I want to access is on, but the machine where the NFS server is running is off. |
| 22:54.01 | o2T7 | so, you can't copy files from it :) |
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| 22:54.54 | JaVaSan | but there is a local drive on this machine with files that I want access. |
| 22:55.01 | nsadmin | the nfs server machine is different from the machine where the files are? how did you do that? |
| 22:55.05 | JaVaSan | *want to |
| 22:55.07 | nsadmin | so they are copies? |
| 22:55.47 | nsadmin | can you ssh into that machine, and once there, can you see the files you want? |
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| 22:57.02 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, yes, the NFS/NIS server run in another machine. The machine I want to access runs the client of these services. |
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| 22:57.30 | o2T7 | one moment, the disk that you accessed via NFS is in your own machine? |
| 22:57.52 | nsadmin | apparantly he has copies |
| 22:57.58 | nsadmin | can you ssh into that machine, and once there, can you see the files you want? |
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| 23:00.17 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, I can't try that right now (SSH) because the machine is on the lab, and I'm not in the lab right now. I'm about to go, just trying to get some help here before I get there (I won't be able to access the internet from there). |
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| 23:01.05 | o2T7 | JaVaSan: You must do it by using a service offered by that machine (i.e. ssh) |
| 23:01.38 | JaVaSan | once I get there I'll have the machine on my hands and can do whatever you guys think I should |
| 23:02.06 | o2T7 | If you can login to it, you can simply scp those files to your machine. |
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| 23:02.37 | JaVaSan | o2T7, the machine has ssh client, but I need to be logged on some machine to do that. |
| 23:03.10 | o2T7 | So you have no access to it, right? |
| 23:03.15 | JaVaSan | and won't be able to log in into any other machine on the lab because the NFS server is down. |
| 23:03.21 | nsadmin | if you're not,you won't be able to transfer at all |
| 23:03.37 | nsadmin | do you have control over the nfs server machine? |
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| 23:03.54 | JaVaSan | no, otherwise I could turn it on =/ |
| 23:04.06 | nsadmin | can you ssh into that machine, and once there, can you see the files you want? |
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| 23:04.49 | nsadmin | oic, so once you get to the lab you can try that |
| 23:05.11 | nsadmin | nothing else to do/say, since this is not live |
| 23:05.12 | JaVaSan | in other to ssh into that machine I need to be logged in another machine, but I can't log in into any other machine on the lab, because NFS is down. |
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| 23:06.06 | nsadmin | because you're also using nis, and nis is down too? |
| 23:06.07 | JaVaSan | I thought we could give some parameter to grub and the machine is initialized with a prompt. |
| 23:06.26 | JaVaSan | yes, NFS/NIS is down. |
| 23:06.44 | o2T7 | Power it down and mount its hard drive in a laptop. :D |
| 23:06.54 | nsadmin | was it brought down on purpose? |
| 23:07.31 | exaboy | im looking for the right java to install. java-package is not what im looking for. |
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| 23:08.00 | exaboy | its the non-free deb im looking for right? |
| 23:08.01 | nsadmin | the right java is to the right of the left java |
| 23:08.04 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, yes, some energy maintenance on campus. |
| 23:08.25 | nsadmin | until when? |
| 23:08.26 | exaboy | smacks his forehead |
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| 23:08.38 | W8TVI | nsadmin: aren't they between up and down java? |
| 23:08.56 | nsadmin | java is mostly down and to the left |
| 23:09.03 | JaVaSan | the energy is back right now, but not the system (NFS/NIS server). |
| 23:09.17 | amanita_ | avaj |
| 23:09.32 | Sia- | is any one to remove duplicate kernel name in boot loader? after last update from squeeze have duplicate kernel name in boot. |
| 23:09.42 | nsadmin | so it's the intent of the campus admin to bring the machine back up? |
| 23:09.46 | W8TVI | nsadmin: ah |
| 23:10.24 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, everything will be ok on monday, but I didn't want to wait until there. |
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| 23:11.51 | nsadmin | so bringing a laptop into the lab is out? |
| 23:11.57 | o2T7 | JaVaSan: If you can turn off that machine and boot with an alternative OS (i.e. a LiveCD), you can mount an external device and copy the files to it. |
| 23:11.58 | JaVaSan | o2T7, that would be a good idea, but I can't take its hard drive out. |
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| 23:12.48 | JaVaSan | o2T7, that's a good one (LiveCD)... I wish I had a LiveCD right now =] |
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| 23:13.08 | nsadmin | why can't you make one? |
| 23:13.13 | exaboy | openjdk-6-jre is what i was looking for :) |
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| 23:13.50 | nsadmin | btw, what happens if someone working on the campus finds you copying files from the machine? |
| 23:13.56 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, yeah, laptop into the lab is out =/ |
| 23:14.37 | nsadmin | I think we're pretty much done here... why is this important enough to go around the situation? |
| 23:14.38 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, there is no problem. I have full access (almost, once I can't get into server's room) to the lab. |
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| 23:16.07 | Fjorgynn | hello |
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| 23:16.14 | nsadmin | find someone who does have access to the server room to start the nfs/nis box |
| 23:16.19 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, just hurry things up. if there's no other way, I'll have to wait. |
| 23:16.30 | nsadmin | and then suggest that nfs/nis might not be the way to go... |
| 23:17.01 | nsadmin | what's the highest, best use of your time right now? |
| 23:17.53 | JaVaSan | not sure what you meant. |
| 23:18.27 | nsadmin | this is probably a question you should ask yourself now, and perhaps once per 15 mins or so |
| 23:18.36 | nsadmin | for the rest of your life |
| 23:19.04 | nsadmin | what I meant was... |
| 23:19.47 | nsadmin | what's -absolutely- the highest, best use of your time of all things you could be doing, right now? |
| 23:20.37 | Fjorgynn | hi |
| 23:21.02 | Fjorgynn | anyone good with the source.list? |
| 23:21.03 | jhutchins | + |
| 23:21.15 | nsadmin | man 5 sources.list |
| 23:21.29 | jhutchins | !tell Fjorgynn about sources |
| 23:21.54 | Fjorgynn | dpkg says that when I am going to upgrade to testin/sid I should remove som stuff |
| 23:21.55 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Fjorgynn |
| 23:22.29 | jhutchins | Fjorgynn: testing != sid. |
| 23:22.43 | jhutchins | Fjorgynn: Sid == unstable. |
| 23:22.49 | Fjorgynn | I know |
| 23:22.52 | Fjorgynn | testing or sid |
| 23:23.02 | Sia- | is grub-pc same things like grub2 or is another recommended bootloader? |
| 23:23.47 | nsadmin | grub2 is a metapackage; grub-pc is a grub2 specifically targeted to pc type machines |
| 23:23.53 | jhutchins | Sia-: grub-pc as opposed to say grub-sun |
| 23:24.20 | Fjorgynn | full-upgrade vs dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:24.38 | Sia- | jhutchins, and whats that, why it removed my grub and installed him self? |
| 23:24.49 | jhutchins | Fjorgynn: If you don't already know the answers to these questions you really have no business messing with sid. |
| 23:25.01 | Fjorgynn | :p |
| 23:25.32 | Fjorgynn | then I will use Gentoo instead |
| 23:25.41 | nsadmin | the ironic part is when people are told that, they are not given a pathway to learn |
| 23:25.44 | Fjorgynn | or Slackware |
| 23:25.46 | nsadmin | Fjorgynn, ok |
| 23:25.53 | jhutchins | Fjorgynn: sid is not just shiney new best version numbers, it's for staging software into testing, it breaks regularly. |
| 23:26.10 | jhutchins | Fjorgynn: No problem here, better that than run sid as a regular OS. |
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| 23:26.39 | jhutchins | nsadmin: We should encourage them to use lenny and solve their problems there as they learn to administer a debian system. |
| 23:27.19 | Fjorgynn | lenny is stable :p |
| 23:27.25 | Fjorgynn | it is to old |
| 23:27.26 | jhutchins | Sid isn't something you earn or graduate to, it's something you work on. |
| 23:27.27 | Sia- | jhutchins, i dont know, but is duplicate kernel name and entries of my bootloader screen. where can remove one of them? |
| 23:27.28 | nsadmin | but you're not encouraging them to use lenny, you're discouraging them from using sid |
| 23:27.31 | nsadmin | there is a difference |
| 23:27.37 | jhutchins | Fjorgynn: Not necessarily. |
| 23:27.38 | Sia- | because menu.list is doesn't existed |
| 23:27.51 | jhutchins | nsadmin: I'll try to be more positive. |
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| 23:28.12 | nsadmin | oh, you mean someone actually heard me?! thank you! |
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| 23:28.25 | jhutchins | Fjorgynn: There are good things about being "old" to, one of which is most of the problems have been fixed, or at least we know how to fix them. |
| 23:30.04 | Fjorgynn | full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. |
| 23:30.12 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, sorry, I was on the phone. I wish I could work on the data I'm trying to get from the lab. Otherwise I'll work on something else. I guess I'll have to choose the last one. |
| 23:30.47 | nsadmin | JaVaSan: you seem to be very dedicated to your work. |
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| 23:31.38 | nsadmin | Fjorgynn: exactly |
| 23:31.54 | nsadmin | so essentially, as you found out, there is not a difference |
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| 23:32.07 | tonytraductor | hi guys |
| 23:33.00 | Fjorgynn | nsadmin: but dist-upgrade still works? :p |
| 23:33.09 | Fjorgynn | it did last time ;p |
| 23:33.10 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 23:33.18 | tonytraductor | i force ibstalled a newer hplip to get a combo workin 4 my mom. print works great, but scan only as root. how do i change permission so mom can scan? on lenny |
| 23:33.28 | Fjorgynn | so I should uncomment volatile in testing? |
| 23:33.41 | tonytraductor | sorry bad typing. on my droid phone here |
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| 23:34.06 | Fjorgynn | eh this is lol :) |
| 23:34.41 | fat-lobyte | Hi. I want to change the default python version to 3.1. What's "The Debian Way(tm)" to do that? |
| 23:34.44 | nsadmin | volatile is optional |
| 23:34.55 | Fjorgynn | :) |
| 23:34.59 | Fjorgynn | ok. |
| 23:35.01 | JaVaSan | nsadmin, ty for trying to help. |
| 23:35.04 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: add your mom's user account to `lp` group - should do the trick |
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| 23:35.11 | tonytraductor | ok |
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| 23:35.34 | Fjorgynn | Version: 3.1.2-5 |
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| 23:35.47 | Fjorgynn | is default python3 in testing for me |
| 23:36.21 | fat-lobyte | mine says: |
| 23:36.21 | fat-lobyte | $ python --version |
| 23:36.21 | fat-lobyte | Python 2.6.5+ |
| 23:36.58 | fat-lobyte | how can I switch it? update-alternatives says "no alternatives for python" |
| 23:37.18 | larsie | hello. Stupid question, but I cannot figure this out. my wlan card is not operational. it is turned on, and workin' in XP. i've installed 'wireless-tools', but it doesnt find it either. when 'lspci -vv', i only find my LAN card. |
| 23:37.36 | thewanderer1 | larsie: what manufacturer and chip? |
| 23:37.50 | fat-lobyte | should I just set the symlink differently? Will that have any implications? breaking stuff, overwritten on update... |
| 23:37.55 | tonytraductor | already in the lp group, it seems |
| 23:38.36 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: then the only thing you can do is to check the permissions on usb devices on your own (see /dev/bus/usb/ hierarchy) and adjust your permission system accordingly |
| 23:38.47 | thewanderer1 | the lp group is what I was missing anyway |
| 23:38.51 | streuner_ | larsie, laptop? |
| 23:38.56 | Fjorgynn | ndiswrapper? |
| 23:39.14 | larsie | toshiba, lb40 17s (laptop). WLAN I don't know. any tool to find it? I've installed 'hwinfo' and it cannot findt it either, under 'hwinfo --network' only find 'lo' and 'eth0'. |
| 23:39.18 | W8TVI | cross your fingers guys, comming up to the same point it hung on last time. |
| 23:39.32 | thewanderer1 | larsie: lspci -vv will tell you the manufacturer and chip. |
| 23:39.41 | tonytraductor | printet would not work if the user was not in lp geoup; no? print works fien. just scan only as root |
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| 23:40.01 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: you need the 'scanner' group too |
| 23:40.05 | o2T7 | larsie: try `lspci` and `lsusb` commands |
| 23:40.05 | streuner_ | larsie: are you sure you turned the WLAN stuff on? |
| 23:40.16 | streuner_ | via switch |
| 23:40.38 | larsie | yea, 100% sure. It was working perfect when I was in XP. |
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| 23:41.20 | larsie | Oh, yea, lsusb found it. |
| 23:41.33 | larsie | RT8187B. |
| 23:41.39 | streuner_ | why USB? |
| 23:41.47 | larsie | don't know. lspci didnt find it. |
| 23:42.09 | streuner_ | !listvals 8187 |
| 23:42.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8187' by value (9): f5d7050 ;; 701sd ;; tew424ub ;; realtek firmware ;; wusb54gc ;; rtl-wifi ;; rtl8187se ;; rtl8187l ;; rfc2123. |
| 23:42.25 | tonytraductor | weird. i must b doin something wrong. useradd -G lp mom gives user mom exists. but groups mom does not list lp |
| 23:42.28 | gnoob | anyone here knows samba.. cant make my smb.conf to work right.. http://pastebin.com/Mi1tUWP1 |
| 23:43.02 | tonytraductor | samba = musica brasileira. a conheco bem. |
| 23:43.03 | stew | tonytraductor: adduser mom lp |
| 23:44.01 | thewanderer1 | larsie: you need non-free firmware for your card to work - probably firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:44.12 | thewanderer1 | larsie: ask dpkg about rtl-wifi, I guess |
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| 23:44.27 | larsie | Okey. thx. toshiba is strange. hehe |
| 23:44.39 | streuner_ | nah, its fine :-) |
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| 23:45.04 | thewanderer1 | everything uses non-free firmware today, sadly |
| 23:45.22 | larsie | Hmm. like, costing money? |
| 23:45.22 | thewanderer1 | I haven't been able to find a completely free hardware platform for my own use as a laptop/desktop |
| 23:45.39 | thewanderer1 | larsie: no, like, restricting your rights regarding what you can do with it |
| 23:45.41 | larsie | I haven't stumbled over any non-free for hardware into 'stationary' computers. |
| 23:45.45 | thewanderer1 | as in "you don't modify it" |
| 23:45.53 | larsie | Oh, ok. I'm not a programmer, so thats not a prob for me, or smt. |
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| 23:46.16 | larsie | What, do you get busted' for doin' so? modifying it, that is. |
| 23:46.21 | thewanderer1 | yes, sure |
| 23:46.33 | larsie | the chances for that happenin' is pretty slim, wouldnt you think? :) |
| 23:46.40 | tonytraductor | ok. adduser worked, bu xsane stills say no devices found (xcept when run as root) |
| 23:46.54 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: have you logged out and in again? |
| 23:47.08 | tonytraductor | nope. 1 moment. |
| 23:47.48 | jhutchins_lt | !sane |
| 23:47.48 | dpkg | [sane] Scanner Access Now Easy, an <API> for scanner access. Packaged for Debian as sane, xsane (GUI frontends) and sane-utils (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html . FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html . To use over a network, see http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork . http://www.sane-project.org/ #sane at irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:48.24 | fat-lobyte | yeah, that link fixed the python version problem: http://codeghar.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/update-alternatives-in-debian/ |
| 23:48.32 | fat-lobyte | thx anyways, goodnight |
| 23:48.44 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, but I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere that one would need to be in "lp" group to access a scanner, while this solution worked for me in squeeze/sid |
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| 23:51.21 | jhutchins_lt | How about group "scanner"? |
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| 23:52.01 | marshallmc | i have a tv tuner card, how can i broadcast its signal through a web interface? |
| 23:53.00 | tonytraductor | that worked. thanks! |
| 23:53.29 | tonytraductor | debian rocks. not just the sfotware, but the community, too. mdl |
| 23:54.30 | moldovean | don't forget the freedom .. |
| 23:54.57 | marshallmc | freedom to use Chinese slave labor cpu parts |
| 23:56.35 | moldovean | marshallmc, mipsel cpu ? as in lemote machines ? |
| 23:57.02 | tonytraductor | what is ther simple to edit images for my old mom. simple + lite (not enuf spacpe,cpu or ram to practically run gimp, and she,ll never get that figured out anyway |
| 23:57.20 | tonytraductor | just sometheng that can rotate & crop, mostly. |
| 23:57.39 | tonytraductor | eog doesn,t crop. gthumb does, no? |
| 23:58.46 | marshallmc | something on the board is made in china |
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| 23:59.03 | Fjorgynn | is there any good way to change the screen resolution in fluxbox (with gdm) without installing any de? |
| 23:59.05 | jmarsden | tonytraductor: Maybe she should use an online tool? http://www.picresize.com/ or similar? |
| 23:59.17 | marshallmc | not that im arguing against open/free software |
| 23:59.34 | joesph | hello |