| 00:00.29 | stew | Fjorgynn: use xrandr |
| 00:00.31 | marshallmc | just pointing out a reality that most of the hardware everyone uses or minerals used for components does not occur under some GPL utopian license |
| 00:00.49 | tonytraductor | this machine is ancient. 450mhz pII with 128mbram, only 5gb hdd. runnin out o room on / or i might install gimp |
| 00:01.21 | marshallmc | but regardless of that, i want to stream my hauppauge tv card over http |
| 00:01.25 | tonytraductor | i had to rm ooffice to get the hplip enuff space ( aaded abiword. all mom needs really) |
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| 00:02.05 | streuner_ | a PITA for her |
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| 00:02.22 | Fjorgynn | stew: okay |
| 00:02.33 | streuner_ | it wouldnt make fun at all to work with this maschine |
| 00:02.50 | streuner_ | machine* |
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| 00:04.21 | streuner_ | you could use such a box as router, maybe, but not as Desktop System |
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| 00:12.44 | norbert_ | hi, question: can I 'undo' "...$ cd" ? |
| 00:13.08 | IRConan | norbert_: is "cd -" what you're looking for? |
| 00:13.16 | IRConan | you mean go back to the dir you were in |
| 00:13.20 | norbert_ | thanks IRConan, that's it |
| 00:13.31 | IRConan | np |
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| 00:18.14 | thewanderer1 | what do I have to do in order to use KVM with VLAN trunking link? do I bridge the physical interface with KVM virtual one, or should I make a bridge containing all VLAN interfaces? O.o |
| 00:19.08 | thewanderer1 | norbert_: it doesn't scale though - look for a nice bash alias for "popd" and "pushd" |
| 00:19.21 | thewanderer1 | there are some nice online scripts for that |
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| 00:19.55 | norbert_ | thanks for the info; I mostly wanted it for when I make a mistake |
| 00:20.04 | norbert_ | so one undo level is usually sufficient |
| 00:20.21 | stew | zsh has autopushd |
| 00:20.42 | thewanderer1 | bash has autopushd too, if you configure it with an alias :P |
| 00:20.48 | thewanderer1 | !start a shell war |
| 00:20.49 | dpkg | tcsh is worse than lsh |
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| 00:23.43 | Stupid | . |
| 00:23.49 | Stupid | Someone voice me in #css |
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| 00:24.53 | moldovean | and here you was kicked ... |
| 00:25.08 | Stupid | Hook me up man.. |
| 00:25.21 | Stupid | I need to ax a question |
| 00:26.40 | Stupid | Stiff |
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| 00:30.37 | Fjorgynn | fluxbox <3 |
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| 00:45.54 | gnoob | I have a script I would like to start over every 20 minutes, how should I do that? |
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| 00:46.33 | W8TVI | woohoo! |
| 00:46.37 | W8TVI | debian installed! |
| 00:46.51 | cast | gnoob: man crontab |
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| 00:47.12 | cast | W8TVI: :) |
| 00:47.24 | W8TVI | now to see if everything works :P |
| 00:47.37 | gnoob | cast ok thank |
| 00:48.08 | transpire | snoob- i think 'watch -n [progname]' will also do it |
| 00:48.14 | transpire | gnoob* :p |
| 00:48.29 | transpire | wait, wrong syntax,,, |
| 00:48.37 | gnoob | cool:) ill check out bot ways |
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| 00:49.04 | transpire | cool az :D |
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| 00:49.39 | jmarsden | transpire, gnoob: watch -n 20 /path/to/script # works but only while that session remains logged in. crontab works as long as the machine is running (well, as long as crond is running) |
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| 01:21.31 | W8TVI | odd |
| 01:21.57 | W8TVI | its not detecting my second networking card. |
| 01:23.12 | kmonk | hello W8TVI, even with lspci? |
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| 01:24.12 | W8TVI | yep |
| 01:24.20 | W8TVI | its only detecting the internal card. |
| 01:25.59 | W8TVI | guess its time to play with the location of the card. |
| 01:27.21 | kmonk | well maybe- |
| 01:27.30 | kmonk | phsyical location? |
| 01:27.37 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 01:27.48 | kmonk | standard kernel or modified? |
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| 01:28.26 | kmonk | if it's an uncommon device perhaps the driver isn't loaded, consider lsmod and see if the module for that device is loaded |
| 01:28.28 | W8TVI | standard |
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| 01:29.09 | W8TVI | its a linksys lne100tx |
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| 01:32.01 | kmonk | it looks like the module name is "tulip" |
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| 01:32.35 | kmonk | so insmod -f tulip |
| 01:32.36 | kmonk | worth a shot |
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| 01:35.45 | nsadmin | insmod is low-level module insertion stuf, you should probably use modprobe |
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| 01:36.35 | kmonk | true that |
| 01:37.28 | W8TVI | yeah. |
| 01:37.31 | W8TVI | nothing |
| 01:37.42 | W8TVI | I know the card works... |
| 01:37.53 | W8TVI | I can even plug a cable into it and get lights. |
| 01:38.23 | W8TVI | and now it doesn't want to look at the mouse. |
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| 01:40.48 | W8TVI | well, I guess I chance trying the original backplane. |
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| 01:46.36 | W8TVI | good... that one didn't get fried. |
| 01:46.53 | W8TVI | sucks that the CPU seems to have gotten fried. |
| 01:47.20 | kmonk | that's a bad thing :p |
| 01:48.18 | W8TVI | orginal mother board got fried, too. |
| 01:48.33 | kmonk | honestly, i would grab the latest kernel source and roll your own, ensuring DECchip Tulip (dc2114x) PCI support is there as module... but that's my solution for everything so yeah ,_, |
| 01:48.37 | W8TVI | original, that is. |
| 01:48.43 | W8TVI | lol |
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| 01:50.03 | kmonk | something to be said for correct power supply, ventilation and clockspeeds? nothing like the smell of burnt circutry. |
| 01:50.22 | W8TVI | it was a too long screw. |
| 01:50.33 | kmonk | aahh |
| 01:50.35 | W8TVI | shorted out some things. |
| 01:50.53 | kmonk | it happens |
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| 01:51.30 | W8TVI | fried a CD burner, a hard drive... in this computer. |
| 01:51.41 | W8TVI | didn't realize thats what happend. |
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| 01:51.54 | W8TVI | put the CD burner back in my desktop |
| 01:51.57 | W8TVI | guess what? |
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| 01:52.39 | kmonk | fireworks? |
| 01:53.07 | W8TVI | in the other computer it took out a stick of ram, two hard drives, a video card, a power supply... |
| 01:53.19 | W8TVI | the mother board itself. |
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| 01:53.47 | Invoked | W8TVI: Wrong the PSU did that. |
| 01:53.50 | W8TVI | but it didn't take out the other stick of ram, a NIC, a USB 2.0 card, or the CPU. |
| 01:54.10 | W8TVI | Invoked: the CD burner was the only thing transplanted. |
| 01:54.14 | Invoked | Different Voltages caused by the OLD CD Burner. |
| 01:54.21 | Invoked | Indeed. |
| 01:55.05 | W8TVI | old cd burner? |
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| 01:59.50 | W8TVI | I wonder if I have the other PCI NIC in one of these boxes? |
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| 02:00.40 | W8TVI | because I think I have on that works, and then another that does something like this.... |
| 02:01.10 | homie | does anyone have problems with cups, hplip ? |
| 02:01.16 | homie | on squeeze ? |
| 02:01.29 | homie | my hp backend seems to always fail |
| 02:02.01 | homie | and either jobs are queued and never started |
| 02:02.28 | homie | or queued and thrown away, the message being it was successfull, however nothing was printed |
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| 02:08.43 | homie | device communication error 5012 ? |
| 02:08.47 | homie | wtf |
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| 02:19.12 | homie | can somone paste me his 55-hpmud.rules for udev ? |
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| 02:19.35 | homie | i think i deleted it |
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| 02:20.49 | billy_two | What software should I use to convert a txt file to pdf setting the text and background colors? And is there a similar program to change the text and background color of an existing pdf? |
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| 02:31.48 | jhutchins | billy_two: I think most people would take a word processor and set the page up, then use the print-to-pdf option. |
| 02:32.13 | jhutchins | billy_two: I think kwrite will do colors, certainly OO will. |
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| 02:33.02 | jhutchins | homie: Have you looked through the release-critical bugs for squeeze to see if that's a known problem? |
| 02:33.12 | jhutchins | homie: I know there have been serious problems with hplip. |
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| 02:33.44 | jhutchins | homie: I've always gone pure cups, but I don't know if that's an option in squeeze. |
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| 02:43.56 | jhutchins_lt | I may have to go to irssi in screen if I want to keep having this laptop suspend on close. |
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| 03:09.58 | SineDeviance | i love debiqan |
| 03:10.03 | SineDeviance | er ... debian* even |
| 03:10.09 | SineDeviance | it's like ubuntu, except it doesn't suck. |
| 03:10.22 | larsie | Hmm. I haven't gotten debian working that nice with my toshiba laptop. |
| 03:10.39 | SineDeviance | larsie: :( how so? |
| 03:11.15 | larsie | Well, my WLAN isn't that popular, it seems, I need to do a backport debian thingy, and my keyboard on laptop doesnt work in KDE. |
| 03:11.42 | SineDeviance | larsie: what version of debian? lenny/5? or squeeze/6? |
| 03:11.57 | larsie | lenny. 2.6.25 |
| 03:12.07 | SineDeviance | larsie: yeah ... use squeeze. it's plenty stable, i assure you. |
| 03:12.26 | phorce1_home | roughly what size should a drive listed as "80G" show up as in a df -h output |
| 03:12.40 | SineDeviance | lenny is great if you need super hardcore stability on hardware that is at least two or three years old. squeeze is good for newer hardware. |
| 03:13.59 | larsie | Hmm. ok. I've only installed debian through network install'. |
| 03:14.22 | SineDeviance | larsie: that's the recommended method. just download the squeeze netinstall iso instead of the lenny iso. |
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| 03:14.50 | SineDeviance | bbl |
| 03:14.51 | stew | don't use squeeze for anything mission critical yet |
| 03:14.54 | larsie | Is hould re-install my whole system to change it, or can I just download kernel and compile? |
| 03:15.06 | larsie | Well, my computer aint that new, couple of years. |
| 03:19.01 | phorce1_home | larsie: you can upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
| 03:19.16 | larsie | ok. i'll ask google. thx |
| 03:19.16 | phorce1_home | !tell larsie about lenny->squeeze |
| 03:19.18 | larsie | :) |
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| 03:19.44 | phorce1_home | !tell larsie about bpo |
| 03:22.56 | phorce1_home | larsie: use bpo to upgrade to a 2.6.32 kernel then follow normal upgrade procedures listed there |
| 03:23.20 | larsie | Nice. |
| 03:27.41 | moldovean | dpkg, tell RichardG[away] -about away |
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| 03:34.10 | homie | i don't know why i get this here http://paste.lisp.org/+2FLU |
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| 03:38.59 | homie | now my /dev/usb/lp0 vanishes too |
| 03:39.05 | homie | meh, maybe i restart first |
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| 03:44.08 | changedsoul | how dificult is it to reset the root password? The one I thoght I used...and had to enter twice doesnt seem to be liked. |
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| 03:46.44 | lost_soul | sudo su, then passwd? |
| 03:47.08 | kmonk | or sudo -i |
| 03:47.21 | kmonk | for root... |
| 03:47.36 | SerajewelKS | changedsoul: if your user is authorized with sudo, then sudo passwd |
| 03:47.50 | changedsoul | well im running a suse system, and noone is talking there. Sudo doesnt work on suse as far as I know out of the box |
| 03:47.55 | SerajewelKS | changedsoul: otherwise you will need to throw in a linux boot disk, mount your root volume, chroot to it, then execute passwd |
| 03:48.00 | SerajewelKS | !they don't know |
| 03:48.00 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 03:48.10 | changedsoul | SerajewelKS: ok, thanks |
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| 03:49.09 | changedsoul | dpkg: the question I had could be for any distro, why the tude dude :) |
| 03:49.09 | dpkg | changedsoul: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 03:56.14 | kmonk | i hate google. |
| 03:56.30 | kmonk | for searching for debian solutions |
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| 03:57.47 | kmonk | keeps bringing up articles that are years old and full of perspective observations- maybe there's a better place one could spider for solutions? |
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| 03:58.04 | billy_two | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 04:12.32 | cheasee | what could it be that openbsd-inetd doesnt reload? because i installed xinetd? should i purge xinetd again to reload openbsd-inet via /etc/init.d/openbsd-inet restart? |
| 04:13.03 | cheasee | cuz when trying to restart inetd it doesnt tell anything, just newline .. xinetd restarts normal |
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| 04:25.02 | cheasee | anyone can tell my why kill -HUP <pid_of_inetd> works but not /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart not? |
| 04:32.16 | kmonk | define works, what is your objective? |
| 04:32.31 | kmonk | ahk i just saw previous msg. |
| 04:33.41 | Tramp | aren't they supposed to conflict? |
| 04:34.51 | cheasee | i assumed that too, so i purged xinetd |
| 04:35.00 | cheasee | still the init.d script doesnt work |
| 04:35.21 | cheasee | when i execute it to restart inetd, it just jumps onto next line |
| 04:35.22 | cheasee | not more |
| 04:35.47 | cheasee | no "stopping inetd.\n starting inetd." or like that |
| 04:36.00 | cheasee | thats what im wondering about |
| 04:36.33 | cheasee | syslog no error or simila |
| 04:36.34 | cheasee | r |
| 04:36.42 | cheasee | where could i look whats wrong? |
| 04:38.06 | Tramp | hmm. and you have an /etc/inetd.conf? |
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| 04:42.51 | cheasee | Tramp, yes |
| 04:42.57 | cheasee | sure |
| 04:43.32 | cylinc | How to keep myplay display ratio after the window maxium |
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| 04:45.12 | cylinc | How to keep mplayer display ratio after the window maxium |
| 04:46.11 | Tramp | cheasee: well, maybe "sh -x /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart" gives some insight, though ymmv |
| 04:46.37 | jhutchins_lt | How do you force removal of a single package when it has many dependeencies? |
| 04:46.55 | cheasee | + DAEMON=/usr/sbin/inetd |
| 04:46.56 | cheasee | + '[' -x /usr/sbin/inetd -a -e /etc/inetd.conf ']' |
| 04:46.56 | cheasee | + exit 0 |
| 04:46.59 | cheasee | hum... |
| 04:47.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | jhutchins_lt: with dpkg, but you thinkg about it very , very carfully.. |
| 04:47.26 | Tramp | cheasee: so you don't have /usr/sbin/inetd, it's not executable or you lied previously |
| 04:47.45 | cheasee | jhutchins_lt, dpkg -P but as Kamping_Kaiser said, be very careful with that |
| 04:48.26 | cheasee | Tramp, true, there is no /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 04:48.33 | cheasee | strange why |
| 04:48.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | or inetd.conf doesn't exist |
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| 04:49.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | (as an aside, i'd have thought -r was the correct test there, not -e) |
| 04:49.02 | Tramp | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, we had that. |
| 04:49.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tramp: sorry, didn't spot it :$ |
| 04:49.33 | Tramp | cheasee: when you installed xinetd, you probably removed the other one (since it conflicts). Then you purged xinetd, now you have none |
| 04:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | Bad media player. Must remove. |
| 04:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | Working players not primary. |
| 04:50.05 | Tramp | in other words, you hit "enter" at some place where it told you that it now removes the conflicting openbsd-inetd |
| 04:50.20 | cheasee | Tramp, could be, yes, dpkg tells me inetd isnt installed heh |
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| 04:50.57 | cheasee | Tramp thanks for sh -x ;) ill remember that :) |
| 04:51.02 | Tramp | yw |
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| 04:54.06 | ShapeShifter499 | SineDeviance, you here? I got 32 bit flash working in my 64 bit web browser |
| 04:54.47 | ShapeShifter499 | so now I don't need to use the unsupported beta 64 bit flash |
| 04:54.52 | ShapeShifter499 | :D |
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| 05:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg -P is useles, fails on "dependencies". |
| 05:09.40 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:09.51 | jhutchins_lt | yeah, sorry dude. |
| 05:10.31 | jhutchins_lt | mrmph. Who uses "field" instead of "force'. |
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| 05:50.28 | pav5088 | Is it possible when apt-pinning to use a wildcard in the following way? : |
| 05:50.30 | pav5088 | Package: gosa-* |
| 05:50.45 | pav5088 | I'm not sure if this line is the problem or if my problem is elsewhere. |
| 05:52.03 | pav5088 | This is my /etc/apt/preferences file : http://pastebin.com/1dCQPiny |
| 05:52.49 | pav5088 | I'm trying to get ONLY gosa-* packages to install from unstable... but that doesn't seem to be happening... no packages want to update from unstable at all. |
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| 07:29.22 | rue_mohr | I'd like to protest to the vlc package being so so so broken |
| 07:29.49 | courpse | Whats broken about it? |
| 07:29.56 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: do you have logs? |
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| 07:30.03 | rue_mohr | codecs |
| 07:30.27 | rue_mohr | if you ask anyone in #videolan they will tell you the debian package has been nothing but a nightmare |
| 07:31.20 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: i have no problem with it at all, also the debian version doe snot support broken nor prop. codecs, this is what i love about the debian version |
| 07:31.41 | rue_mohr | ok can you network stream a webcam with your ver? |
| 07:31.49 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: sure |
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| 07:32.01 | rue_mohr | you tried it |
| 07:32.11 | Fjorgynn | :) |
| 07:32.30 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: i run the latest version no squeeze with some webcams to monitor, without a glitch |
| 07:32.43 | rue_mohr | cause mine could open the camera, but as soon as I say stream, (I went thu every combination of options) it fails, usually with packetizer error |
| 07:32.54 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: even motion detection does work |
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| 07:33.08 | rue_mohr | so I should update to unstable? |
| 07:33.22 | cast | no. |
| 07:33.34 | dutchfish | no, but if you ar einto video you can either use backports or update to squeeze *not* unstable |
| 07:33.35 | rue_mohr | dutchfish> rue_mohr: i run the latest version no squeeze with some webcams to monitor, without a glitch |
| 07:33.55 | rue_mohr | squeez IS unstable, no? |
| 07:34.06 | rue_mohr | or testing? |
| 07:34.09 | dutchfish | no squeeze is *testing* |
| 07:34.14 | rue_mohr | ah |
| 07:34.42 | rue_mohr | Err http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable/main libpostproc51 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 |
| 07:34.42 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.42 | rue_mohr | Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/ffmpegcvs/libpostproc51_20080706-0.3lenny1_i386.deb 302 Found |
| 07:34.42 | rue_mohr | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 07:35.12 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: dont use multimedia repo it is broken for the moment in many ways |
| 07:35.43 | rue_mohr | sigh... |
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| 07:35.50 | jelly-home | dutchfish: since when? |
| 07:35.52 | Linux-CLI | hi |
| 07:35.57 | Linux-CLI | !repository |
| 07:35.57 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 07:36.20 | Linux-CLI | !make |
| 07:36.20 | dpkg | hmm... make is a tool to build your project. The dependencies to build your project is specified usually in a Makefile. Makefile may have targets, which can be invoked by make <targetname>. e.g. make love. For more, man make. <makefile> |
| 07:36.25 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: i advise to carefully go back to lenny and reinstall vlc and deps from there, then either update to backports or squeeze/testing |
| 07:36.35 | jelly-home | Linux-CLI: try asking a question. If you want to talk to the bot, use /msg dpkg something |
| 07:36.47 | rue_mohr | the robot dosn't matter much |
| 07:36.54 | rue_mohr | it dosn't even have x |
| 07:37.03 | dutchfish | jelly-home: since the latest vlc dependecies hosed up |
| 07:37.32 | jelly-home | dutchfish: what has dmm have to do with vlc, though? Marillat explicitely doesn't package vlc. |
| 07:37.45 | rue_mohr | after trying to compile vlc, but having neither compiled it or installed it, when I try to run vlc I get vlc: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion `xcb_get_request_sent(dpy->xcb->connection) == dpy->request' failed. |
| 07:37.49 | dutchfish | jelly-home: libs* |
| 07:37.50 | rue_mohr | anyone know what I borked? |
| 07:37.56 | Linux-CLI | jelly-home: SecureAPT, how important is it to use, over regular APT? |
| 07:38.00 | jelly-home | dutchfish: don't ask me for a reference. |
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| 07:38.18 | exaboy | whats teh cmd to change timezone? |
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| 07:38.32 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: you prolly mixed some repos, carefully look at aptitude's output and repair them |
| 07:38.52 | exaboy | tzconfig |
| 07:38.52 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy vlc", please |
| 07:39.05 | exaboy | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 07:39.19 | jelly-home | !tell exaboy about tzconfig |
| 07:39.26 | rue_mohr | vlc: |
| 07:39.26 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.31 | rue_mohr | pb ... |
| 07:39.32 | rue_mohr | sorry |
| 07:39.33 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: use a pastebin |
| 07:39.41 | exaboy | its ok worked it out/ just had a brain fart |
| 07:39.59 | rue_mohr | jelly-home, http://codepad.org/vHLtTzqd |
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| 07:40.48 | rue_mohr | but hte problem is I been compiling libraries needed for compiling vlc |
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| 07:42.20 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and tell us exactly wich libraries you did compile? |
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| 07:43.04 | rue_mohr | http://codepad.org/BG7ezUP3 <-- stuff I was messing with |
| 07:43.59 | rue_mohr | http://codepad.org/FhhzrQeH <-- sources.list |
| 07:44.41 | rue_mohr | 'oh fooie...' |
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| 07:45.04 | rue_mohr | I really must never try to compile AV software on my main machine |
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| 07:46.25 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: first you better use lenny instead of the word stable in sources.list, this will prevent surprises when the next stable hits debian |
| 07:46.47 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: second, libfaad2 is broken |
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| 07:47.30 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: why did you recompile, if you used multimedia, it will nicely draw dependecies when needed if you install a lib |
| 07:48.30 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: last some plugins in vlc are to broken to even to consider |
| 07:48.43 | rue_mohr | because vlc could not stream my webpcam for some sort of packatizer and codec error |
| 07:49.01 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: the best you can do is solve your compile issues or fetch a build log and pastebin it |
| 07:49.18 | rue_mohr | lets me get my machine back to working |
| 07:49.21 | rue_mohr | libfaad2 |
| 07:49.27 | rue_mohr | how do I reinstall it... |
| 07:49.50 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: but, having siad that all, why not simplly use debian/testing it has all the goodies without the most nasty things |
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| 07:50.39 | rue_mohr | vlc: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion `xcb_get_request_sent(dpy->xcb->connection) == dpy->request' failed. |
| 07:50.39 | rue_mohr | Aborted |
| 07:50.47 | rue_mohr | I think xcb is broken |
| 07:51.00 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: if your local machine isnt hosed up aptitud reinstall libfaad2 |
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| 07:51.07 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: if your local machine isnt hosed up aptitude reinstall libfaad2 |
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| 07:51.49 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: but again i had simular issues with libfaad and i dont use it anymore |
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| 07:52.56 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: last but not least wich video driver you are using? |
| 07:53.30 | rue_mohr | in? v4l |
| 07:54.29 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: my q is more or less if your video driver isnt interfering, some do, through X |
| 07:55.46 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: but again, since i use pure squeeze, and carefully handpick codecs, my problems are gone |
| 07:55.59 | rue_mohr | vlc did work before I did whatever I did trying to compile vlc |
| 07:56.06 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 07:56.26 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: have you tried installing the last stable version again? |
| 07:56.35 | rue_mohr | that is |
| 07:57.31 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: or send us detailed logs, but it can be harsh to find out exactly wich part hosed up .... |
| 07:57.55 | rue_mohr | I know, I'm just beating my head against what I can think of |
| 07:58.13 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: i would start delving in the bug logs |
| 07:58.30 | rue_mohr | I think something must have installed a too-new version of a lib somewhere |
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| 07:58.35 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: maybe they ar eknown already |
| 07:58.54 | rue_mohr | no, this isn't a vlc package problem its something I did to break x |
| 07:59.11 | rue_mohr | in xchat, right clicking on urls to open them isn't working either |
| 07:59.28 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: can you pastbin ldd -v /usr/bin/vlc ? |
| 08:00.30 | rue_mohr | zippo:/files/programming/src# nedit /tmp/foo.txt |
| 08:00.30 | rue_mohr | nedit: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion `xcb_get_request_sent(dpy->xcb->connection) == dpy->request' failed. |
| 08:00.36 | rue_mohr | oh-ho spaggettio |
| 08:00.54 | project2501a | anybody got a clue how i can keep a hard drive cool out in the open? |
| 08:01.06 | rue_mohr | and suddenly mozilla wont open |
| 08:01.20 | rue_mohr | arg, this isn't how I wanted to have to do a system upgrade |
| 08:01.48 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: it isnt exactly debian-policy either what you did ;) |
| 08:02.19 | rue_mohr | debian has a policy of stable being a few years behind.... |
| 08:02.39 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: then use bpo or testing, or backport yourself |
| 08:03.05 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: old doesnt always mean bad |
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| 08:03.46 | rue_mohr | after being badly bitten by unstable once I swore on stable |
| 08:03.54 | dutchfish | :) |
| 08:04.00 | rue_mohr | I think I fixed it! |
| 08:04.04 | dutchfish | oh? |
| 08:04.07 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.53 | rue_mohr | http://www.google.ca |
| 08:05.03 | rue_mohr | yay! |
| 08:05.08 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 08:05.15 | rue_mohr | takes a deep breth |
| 08:05.31 | rue_mohr | now lets try to move forward |
| 08:05.51 | rue_mohr | you say I can stream the webcam if I do a select install of vlc? |
| 08:05.52 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: so next time before compiling newer stuff yourself make sure you dont brake abi of the vlc |
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| 08:07.21 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: yes, most webcams have a specific url that do either jpeg streaming or mpg streaming, i used this on many cams myself |
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| 08:07.54 | rue_mohr | hu? |
| 08:07.56 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: ones that works you can stream them to other formats as well |
| 08:08.01 | rue_mohr | its a v4l device |
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| 08:08.08 | dutchfish | well, then |
| 08:08.08 | rue_mohr | usb webcam |
| 08:08.28 | rue_mohr | this is for driving the robot around in the yard, 1 fps will not do |
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| 08:08.54 | dutchfish | i dont know what your cam supports, but i gues 1 fps is to slow |
| 08:09.19 | rue_mohr | I get 10fps from some test programs |
| 08:09.28 | dutchfish | thats still to slow |
| 08:09.36 | rue_mohr | have to admit, better than 1 |
| 08:09.37 | rue_mohr | ! |
| 08:10.00 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: i suggest a huge coffee and start reading |
| 08:10.16 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: 4vl is well documented |
| 08:10.18 | kmonk | dutchfish: coffee, good idea. |
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| 08:10.22 | rue_mohr | gets out the extra-extra large mug |
| 08:10.23 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 08:11.20 | kmonk | make sure it's using usb2 interface and it's a usb2 capable webcam? just a thought. |
| 08:11.39 | kmonk | *puts the kettle on* >_< |
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| 08:11.56 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: one more tip, i used lan-ip-cams, so i could hook up as many cams as i liked to my robot and saved myself alot of trouble (performance) |
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| 08:12.18 | rue_mohr | toolong.c:5: error: `long long long' is too long for GCC ;) |
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| 08:12.37 | rue_mohr | dutchfish, $20 robot |
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| 08:13.05 | dutchfish | rue_mohr: including the cam? ;) |
| 08:13.20 | rue_mohr | yes, lots of free stuff |
| 08:13.31 | rue_mohr | http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/rovbot/p1020386.jpg |
| 08:13.40 | rue_mohr | http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/rovbot/p1020387.jpg |
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| 08:14.15 | rue_mohr | I have an old blackberry I was just given too, seems to have wifi.... |
| 08:14.15 | project2501a | take the sword! |
| 08:14.21 | project2501a | the sword?! |
| 08:14.30 | project2501a | you wutang never going to win |
| 08:14.51 | kmonk | are those car batteries? that's insane. |
| 08:14.58 | kmonk | insane and very, very cool |
| 08:15.04 | rue_mohr | no, those are ...smaller |
| 08:15.17 | rue_mohr | the new mowerbot gets the big ones |
| 08:15.18 | dutchfish | .comfort rue_mohr |
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| 08:15.26 | dutchfish | !comfort rue_mohr |
| 08:15.27 | dpkg | There, there, rue_mohr. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:15.43 | project2501a | morning guys |
| 08:15.52 | dutchfish | morning |
| 08:16.15 | fxiny | cool like typing : display http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/rovbot/p1020386.jpg ? |
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| 08:17.18 | iluminator101 | is there like a opensource autoposter for craigslist |
| 08:17.24 | Fjorgynn | weii |
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| 08:18.16 | rue_mohr | its good there is a bot, for a sec I thought you were trying to issue me assembler directives |
| 08:18.19 | project2501a | iluminator101: sorry i do not do "open source" |
| 08:19.25 | billy_ | hi, just installed Lenny LXDE and cant login as root in gui - root password works in single user mode but is rejected everywhere else - did i mess up the install? |
| 08:19.35 | project2501a | billy_: no |
| 08:19.37 | iluminator101 | is there a way i can may an autoposter for craigslist |
| 08:19.45 | iluminator101 | is there a way i can make an autoposter for craigslist |
| 08:20.06 | project2501a | billy_: gnome does not allow login for root by default. you got to fix it after you login as a regular user |
| 08:20.07 | rue_mohr | iluminator101, dosn't it need you to do a verify? |
| 08:20.07 | billy_ | project2501a: got any suggestions? |
| 08:20.09 | nsadmin | Simple Matter Of Program (SMOP) |
| 08:20.17 | project2501a | iluminator101: yeah, you can code one. |
| 08:20.32 | billy_ | project2501a: fix it how? |
| 08:20.41 | project2501a | billy_: gnome? |
| 08:21.07 | project2501a | billy_: you should not be loging in as root anywya |
| 08:21.12 | project2501a | that is what sudo is for. |
| 08:21.44 | billy_ | project2501a: sudo is rejected |
| 08:22.08 | project2501a | well, log in as root from the console and fix it |
| 08:22.34 | kmonk | /etc/sudoers is the file you want to add a user to sudo billy_ |
| 08:23.26 | project2501a | billy_: in short you did not mess up your installation. you can su - to the root account. but if you got no reason to do so, eg system maintenance, you should not need it for 90% of things you do |
| 08:23.34 | kmonk | nano /etc/sudoers as root and add your user like so: user ALL=(ALL) ALL to the bottom of that file. |
| 08:23.43 | shylent | no |
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| 08:24.38 | project2501a | welcome to the new decade indeed |
| 08:24.40 | shylent | 1) dont log in to gui as root 2) do not edit sudoers with anything other than visudo |
| 08:24.58 | project2501a | shylent: visudo is used ONLY when you got more than one sysadmin :P |
| 08:25.14 | kmonk | aahh yes sorry < oldhack |
| 08:25.25 | shylent | are you mad? it is used so that you dont mess up your sudoers file |
| 08:25.42 | project2501a | how are you going to mess your sudoers file? |
| 08:25.57 | shylent | well, I don't know, make a syntax error or something? |
| 08:25.58 | billy_ | project2501a: why do you thing you are talking to a noob? |
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| 08:26.13 | project2501a | billy_: because you would not be asking such a question if you were not. |
| 08:26.14 | shylent | how should I know, I've never messed it up because I use visudo :) |
| 08:26.26 | kmonk | indeed well there you have it, two methods, the manual way and the safe way, take your pick |
| 08:26.38 | project2501a | shylent: i have not messed up ever, because i know the syntax of the sudo files. |
| 08:26.55 | project2501a | indeed, sudo is strong with this one. |
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| 08:27.17 | kmonk | where's that coffee >_< |
| 08:27.18 | shylent | project2501a: well, you know, it is a matter of statistics, one day or another you are bound to save it in an inconsistent state or something :P |
| 08:27.33 | project2501a | billy_: if it is any consolation, i don' t know how to do nat using iptables :) |
| 08:27.39 | project2501a | shylent: welcome to unix :P |
| 08:27.46 | shylent | I think its better to eleminate every opportunity to fail |
| 08:27.50 | billy_ | project2501a: tough luck |
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| 08:28.04 | project2501a | i think it is better to fail and learn |
| 08:28.12 | project2501a | so next time you will not do it. |
| 08:28.27 | dutchfish | thinks its better to make backups |
| 08:28.34 | cast | depends on the environment |
| 08:28.37 | shylent | project2501a: I think it is entirely possible to learn *without* failing beforehand |
| 08:28.44 | kmonk | cast: inded |
| 08:28.47 | cast | it's not ok to fail in production |
| 08:29.12 | shylent | project2501a: it does not take one to jump in front of the train to learn that jumping in front of trains is fatal |
| 08:29.18 | project2501a | shylent: sometimes, yes, it is possible. |
| 08:29.28 | project2501a | sometimes, it is unavoidable |
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| 08:29.35 | project2501a | such is the way of zen :) |
| 08:29.39 | shylent | project2501a: I think you are just making excuses :P |
| 08:29.44 | project2501a | could be. |
| 08:29.54 | project2501a | i am the sum of my successes and my failures. |
| 08:30.13 | nsadmin | sum I am? |
| 08:30.18 | project2501a | heh :D |
| 08:30.28 | project2501a | upvote for nagios reference. |
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| 08:31.40 | kmonk | on another note, is it safe to rewire a new fan into a powersupply if you are reasonably confident- |
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| 08:31.53 | kmonk | dont say yes simply because you want to get rid of me :D |
| 08:31.58 | ham5 | YES! |
| 08:32.03 | shylent | depends on what your confidence is based on :P |
| 08:32.08 | shylent | did you do that before, like ever :) |
| 08:32.16 | courpse | nods with shylent |
| 08:32.26 | kmonk | nope, it's that whole train metaphor again |
| 08:32.40 | project2501a | kmonk: and have wired the powersupply and you have left it grounded for about a month and have taken measurements of the capacitance of all capacitors on that board, yes. |
| 08:33.00 | shylent | do you value that power supply much? :) |
| 08:33.05 | kmonk | to ensure the fan is a perfect match? makes sense. |
| 08:33.10 | shylent | if not, well.. you might as well jump the train |
| 08:33.13 | project2501a | no, but i would rather not be sold as chicken at KFC |
| 08:33.15 | iluminator101 | is there an open source ui similar to one in android |
| 08:33.24 | kmonk | ahaha okok, thanks. |
| 08:33.27 | project2501a | iluminator101: android is opensource. |
| 08:33.32 | Fjorgynn | hi. If I put linux_logo into /etc/motd it displays only the text. Not the program. |
| 08:33.46 | project2501a | what is linux_logo ? |
| 08:33.56 | project2501a | ooh, is there a text version of the debian swirl? :D |
| 08:33.58 | iluminator101 | i dont know about that |
| 08:34.48 | cahoot | Fjorgynn: not thinking of the penguin in framebuffermode? |
| 08:34.52 | iluminator101 | i wonts say its open source |
| 08:35.13 | project2501a | iluminator101: sure it is. you can see the source |
| 08:35.20 | Fjorgynn | cahoot: nah. got it before |
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| 08:35.32 | project2501a | and you get it for free. that should be enough for your def of "open source" |
| 08:35.34 | cemunal | hi |
| 08:36.15 | kmonk | iluminator101: have a look at Meego |
| 08:36.18 | Fjorgynn | putted it into .bashrc instead |
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| 08:38.59 | cemunal | i am on testing; how can i manage my connections |
| 08:39.24 | cemunal | networkmanager and nm-applet is already installed |
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| 08:41.05 | kmonk | cemunal: i'm not sure if it's compatable with what else you have installed, but i use wicd to manage network devices because i got lazy, to do it properly do a 'man ipconfig' |
| 08:41.43 | kmonk | or to do it manually, rather you can use ifconfig. otherwise i use wicd |
| 08:42.06 | kmonk | ifconfig not ipconfig cripes- |
| 08:42.12 | Fjorgynn | installed welcome21 and when I write it it won't work but when I copy it it will work xD |
| 08:42.17 | cemunal | i installed a new default system but i can not manage my network? |
| 08:43.28 | cemunal | can it be about user granting? |
| 08:44.26 | cemunal | i connected my network but it is not showen by nm-applet |
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| 08:44.45 | kmonk | cemunal: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 seen this? |
| 08:45.18 | cemunal | kmonk, thanks for ur helpin bye... |
| 08:45.20 | pav5088 | Is it possible when apt-pinning to use a wildcard in the following way? : |
| 08:45.21 | kmonk | "An introduction to Debian networking setup" from terminal. |
| 08:45.22 | pav5088 | Package: gosa-* |
| 08:45.29 | pav5088 | I'm not sure if this line is the problem or if my problem is elsewhere. |
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| 08:45.39 | pav5088 | This is my /etc/apt/preferences file : http://pastebin.com/1dCQPiny |
| 08:45.50 | pav5088 | I'm trying to get ONLY gosa-* packages to install from unstable... but that doesn't seem to be happening... no packages want to update from unstable at all. |
| 08:46.42 | pav5088 | I'm using testing right now |
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| 08:47.52 | kmonk | cross revision systems give me nightmares. O_O |
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| 08:48.49 | Fjorgynn | oh, dash is default shell in debian. Never heard of dash before ^^ |
| 08:49.10 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 08:49.21 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I install java plugin in my 64 bit system |
| 08:49.31 | Fjorgynn | :p |
| 08:49.47 | Fjorgynn | you got non-free? |
| 08:50.03 | ShapeShifter499 | ya |
| 08:50.09 | ShapeShifter499 | but it doesn |
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| 08:50.20 | ShapeShifter499 | doesn't show in my browser |
| 08:50.35 | ShapeShifter499 | after I install the packages |
| 08:50.47 | Fjorgynn | i think you must activate it or something? |
| 08:50.54 | cahoot | restartes browser? |
| 08:51.03 | ShapeShifter499 | I've restarted |
| 08:51.04 | pallgone | hmm, I have to set proto=imps for my touchpad on this D600 to make tap-click working but then scrolling is not possible anymore... any clues? |
| 08:51.04 | kmonk | pav5088: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html seen this? or this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=15612 |
| 08:51.08 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: what browser? |
| 08:51.09 | ham5 | did you link the .so file to your plugins dir ??? |
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| 08:51.12 | Fjorgynn | got an error from $LC_* $LANG when I run full-upgrade. |
| 08:51.26 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5 no |
| 08:51.35 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie google chrome |
| 08:51.45 | Fjorgynn | manconv : can't set the locale make shore $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 08:51.55 | kmonk | pav5088: the second link is preferred because it comes from Debian forums and has positive commentary. |
| 08:52.20 | ham5 | ShapeShifter499 find libnpjp2.so and put a link to it in your /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir |
| 08:52.20 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5 what and where?? |
| 08:52.22 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: can you check if it works on iceweasel? |
| 08:52.30 | jelly-home | Fjorgynn: it's typical for debconf (and other perl packaging scripts) to complain about those when glibc packages have updates |
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| 08:52.50 | cast | question, if i have an mdadm RAID1 array with/, and i yank a disk from it and boot, then shutdown, put disk back in, presumably on the next boot it's smart enough to automagically detect which is the newer copy and resume resyncing? |
| 08:52.55 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie doesn't work I've checked |
| 08:53.07 | Fjorgynn | jelly-home: and sometimes I got errors from "W: possible missing firmware" |
| 08:53.33 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: take a look at /etc/alternatives |
| 08:53.46 | rozie | ls -la | grep java there |
| 08:54.00 | jelly-home | Fjorgynn: also not unusual, but those might be important, depending on your hardware |
| 08:54.22 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: I have my browser related symlinks pointing to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so |
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| 08:54.26 | kmonk | Fjorgynn: do you have locales installed? 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' will allow you to reconfigure your locales, know what you're doing before you do it :p |
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| 08:54.43 | Fjorgynn | kmonk: I know what I am doing |
| 08:54.44 | rozie | check if you have valid symlinks to sun's java |
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| 08:55.22 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie, I get grep: there: No such file or directory |
| 08:55.43 | kmonk | Fjorgynn: firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-linux contain much of the firmware supported by linux. |
| 08:56.21 | nsadmin | ShapeShifter499, the second parameter to grep is a file |
| 08:56.25 | Fjorgynn | hm |
| 08:56.55 | ShapeShifter499 | *faceplam |
| 08:56.57 | ShapeShifter499 | * |
| 08:57.01 | ham5 | ;\ |
| 08:57.07 | Fjorgynn | kmonk: wierd. sv_SE... wasn't installed but english was. But I selected Swedish in the install and I could write it |
| 08:57.10 | ham5 | load: 0.75 0.52 0.59 215 threads |
| 08:57.10 | Fjorgynn | åäö |
| 08:57.16 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I get lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 15 01:25 java -> /usr/bin/gij-4.4 |
| 08:57.20 | Fjorgynn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:57.45 | ham5 | Linux localhost 2.6.35.2h3j #1 SMP Fri Aug 13 23:03:16 HADT 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:57.55 | Fjorgynn | heh |
| 08:57.56 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie, I get lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 15 01:25 java -> /usr/bin/gij-4.4 |
| 08:58.14 | rozie | ls -la /etc/alternatives/ | grep java |
| 08:58.16 | ham5 | ShapeShifter499 find libnpjp2.so and put a link to it in your /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir |
| 08:58.16 | Fjorgynn | Linux stalin 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:59:47 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:58.23 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: you don't use sun java then |
| 08:58.30 | ham5 | like j stalin? |
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| 08:58.40 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie I want to |
| 08:58.59 | Fjorgynn | ham5: no. But my server computer is Stalin. My desktop is Tito |
| 08:59.13 | Fjorgynn | and the new one I think should be Castro or something ;p |
| 08:59.15 | kmonk | ensure UTF-8 and whatever correlates to your region is installed, it's also suggested that en_US.UTF-8 is installed |
| 08:59.26 | ham5 | nice |
| 08:59.35 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: update-alternatives config java |
| 08:59.43 | jelly-home | Fjorgynn: so your desktop and server don't go along well? |
| 08:59.58 | rozie | update-alternatives --config java |
| 08:59.59 | Fjorgynn | jelly-home: ? |
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| 09:00.27 | Fjorgynn | My desktop is quite nice. Win XP 512mb mem and 80 GB hdd. p4 2.80 Ghz ;p |
| 09:00.33 | jelly-home | Fjorgynn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split |
| 09:00.43 | Fjorgynn | ^^ |
| 09:00.58 | Fjorgynn | some are giving rpg-names to their computers |
| 09:01.16 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie There is only one alternative in link group java: /usr/bin/gij-4.4 Nothing to configure. |
| 09:01.33 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: so you don't have sun java installed on you system |
| 09:01.36 | project2501a | i am giving them names of female character's from William Gibson novels. |
| 09:01.43 | kmonk | stalin huh, he lets his mo do the talking |
| 09:01.48 | project2501a | s/\'// |
| 09:01.51 | jelly-home | Fjorgynn: that pun obviously went over your head, ignore it |
| 09:02.02 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: apt-get install sun-java6-plugin |
| 09:02.09 | project2501a | Knorrie: party does not appreciate your attitude, comrade. |
| 09:02.18 | nsadmin | Fjorgynn, sorta old, but at least not unsupported... you should think about more ram |
| 09:02.32 | Fjorgynn | nsadmin: you think? ;) |
| 09:02.38 | Fjorgynn | Naaaah.. ;) |
| 09:02.42 | Fjorgynn | 6 years old. |
| 09:02.46 | project2501a | all you need is 640k |
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| 09:02.52 | Fjorgynn | project2501a: :D |
| 09:02.54 | project2501a | so i have been told. |
| 09:03.01 | nsadmin | no one could ever need more... |
| 09:03.06 | project2501a | why bother |
| 09:03.10 | kmonk | *breaks out the amiga500* ----back in maa day |
| 09:03.14 | Fjorgynn | I am going to buy a laptop. I think maybe an Acer. |
| 09:03.22 | Fjorgynn | what about them and wifi drivers? |
| 09:03.32 | project2501a | *breaks out the zx spectrum 48k* ---- back in maaaaaaaaaaaaa day |
| 09:03.42 | rozie | Fjorgynn: it's related to wifi chipset, not laptop vendor |
| 09:03.44 | nsadmin | find out the chipsets |
| 09:03.44 | kmonk | ok u win lawl |
| 09:03.51 | Fjorgynn | rozie: ok |
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| 09:04.24 | Fjorgynn | I heard about one that recompiled his kernel and got support |
| 09:04.29 | nsadmin | pulls a CDC 6400 out of his pocket... |
| 09:04.31 | Fjorgynn | for his laptop |
| 09:04.42 | project2501a | nsadmin: you might want to invest on an hp nc4400 |
| 09:04.47 | rozie | usually no need to recompile |
| 09:04.50 | kmonk | *pulls out an abacus* |
| 09:04.51 | project2501a | you can find lots of them used |
| 09:04.57 | Fjorgynn | got like â¬800 to buy computer for so :) |
| 09:05.06 | jelly-home | Fjorgynn: support varies depending on actual hardware inside the laptop brand/model |
| 09:05.26 | Fjorgynn | ok |
| 09:05.30 | project2501a | Fjorgynn: you can easily get a laptop for that money. especially from ebay |
| 09:05.30 | jelly-home | Fjorgynn: /msg dpkg wifi |
| 09:05.38 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie ok nvm now I got it working |
| 09:05.47 | nsadmin | and you won't necessarily know the chipsets before you have the machine in your hand |
| 09:05.59 | project2501a | what nsadmin said |
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| 09:06.15 | project2501a | same model can have a change in chipsets, mid-production |
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| 09:07.02 | DDRP | =/ Well that should be illegal |
| 09:07.05 | project2501a | how do i start a new page in the wiki? |
| 09:07.05 | kmonk | intel, nvidia, gigabyte - some manufacturers have proven track records for linux compatability. |
| 09:07.22 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie I got it show up in my browser but nothings working D: |
| 09:07.24 | kmonk | i *think* i just named three |
| 09:07.24 | project2501a | atheros :D |
| 09:07.33 | project2501a | atmel :> |
| 09:07.38 | project2501a | good luck with atmel |
| 09:07.43 | project2501a | is not atmel dead? |
| 09:08.25 | jelly-home | project2501a: typically you write it in the url |
| 09:08.45 | project2501a | hm. there should be a "create page" button. |
| 09:08.48 | project2501a | ui fail |
| 09:08.51 | kmonk | ShapeShifter499: java not working? |
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| 09:09.07 | kmonk | on 64 bit machine? |
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| 09:09.30 | ShapeShifter499 | no D: |
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| 09:09.39 | jelly-home | project2501a: that's how the original wiki works. You can create a link to a nonexisting page in an existing one, then click and go write it |
| 09:09.54 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: show: dpkg -l | grep sun |
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| 09:10.34 | Fjorgynn | heard that the battery monitor is quite wierd at acer? |
| 09:10.42 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie: error trying to run java web page checker ---> http://pastebin.com/2GDgWJGp |
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| 09:11.22 | jan | hi |
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| 09:11.42 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie, http://pastebin.com/x0gMFFJx |
| 09:11.43 | ham5 | exec java -version |
| 09:11.55 | Guest64457 | is it possible to create a windows-partition in lvm? |
| 09:12.18 | jelly-home | Guest64457: do you want windows to be able to read it? |
| 09:12.28 | jelly-home | or access it in any way? |
| 09:12.30 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5 http://pastebin.com/1xxpVwxp |
| 09:12.41 | project2501a | windows has its own lvm, doesn't it? |
| 09:13.13 | Guest64457 | jelly-home: i have a debian with lvm on a laptop and i want to install win as dual boot |
| 09:13.32 | Guest64457 | thats all |
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| 09:13.45 | jelly-home | Guest64457: you will have to reduce a primary partition to make space for windows. |
| 09:14.21 | bolt | project2501a: it has "dynamic volumes", which does much of the same, yes |
| 09:14.22 | Guest64457 | i've put parted magic on a bootable usb stick |
| 09:14.24 | kmonk | ShapeShifter499: sun-java6-plugin have you installed it already? |
| 09:14.36 | Guest64457 | so i just have to reduce the debian part? |
| 09:14.36 | ShapeShifter499 | kmonk, yes |
| 09:14.40 | ham5 | he has java its just not linked to the browser |
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| 09:14.55 | s5s | X doesn't start |
| 09:15.09 | jelly-home | Guest64457: I'd advise reading about lvm and how to reduce a pv size without losing data |
| 09:15.20 | s5s | does output get written to /var/logs/syslogs? |
| 09:15.21 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: check again symlinks in alternatives |
| 09:15.27 | bolt | Guest64457: you're asking for help on repartitioning your drive. go take a backup first. backup everything. EVERYTHING. or you might lose all your stuff |
| 09:15.33 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5: it shows up in iceweasle |
| 09:15.38 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5: it shows up in iceweasel |
| 09:15.56 | Guest64457 | it's a second pc there is nothing very important on it |
| 09:16.03 | bolt | "very" |
| 09:16.15 | jelly-home | Guest64457: you can wipe and reinstall, then. |
| 09:16.15 | bolt | nothing you'd be even slightly annoyed with losing? |
| 09:16.18 | Guest64457 | i just don't want to kill my debian, because it's debain |
| 09:16.34 | Guest64457 | that's true |
| 09:16.40 | Guest64457 | and reinstall debian later |
| 09:17.04 | bolt | usually, it's easiest to install windows first, on a small partition, and then let debian handle the rest |
| 09:17.07 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie, hmm http://pastebin.com/py2pmNhW |
| 09:17.14 | Guest64457 | that would make it more easy with grub, etc |
| 09:17.23 | kmonk | i'm only checking the method for linking so here me out... |
| 09:17.26 | bolt | windows tends to do funky stuff (or nothing at all) if installed afterwards |
| 09:17.32 | kmonk | cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 09:17.48 | DDRP | Run Windows in a virtual machine |
| 09:18.15 | ShapeShifter499 | kmonk lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Aug 15 02:03 libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so |
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| 09:19.12 | ham5 | do you have /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so ? |
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| 09:19.56 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5 no |
| 09:19.57 | kmonk | related problem in ubuntu: http://www.tolaris.com/2009/04/08/sun-java-firefox-plugin-working-on-ubuntu-hardy-amd64/ |
| 09:20.09 | ham5 | thers your problem |
| 09:20.53 | ham5 | find your gd libnpjp2.so file and link it in that mozilla/plugins dir!@# |
| 09:20.54 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: which debian release are you running? |
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| 09:21.33 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, debian |
| 09:21.37 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, squeeze |
| 09:21.52 | ham5 | OS: Linux version 2.6.35.2h3j ( Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid ) |
| 09:21.58 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: is package sun-java6-plugin installed? |
| 09:22.04 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, yes |
| 09:22.08 | ham5 | oh lawd |
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| 09:24.01 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: please pastebin the output of: dpkg -l libc6 sun-java\* |grep '^.i' |
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| 09:24.25 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5 kmonk jelly-home rozie: it shows up in the list of plugins when I go to "about:plugins" |
| 09:25.02 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: so it's installed. How does it fail to work? |
| 09:25.02 | ham5 | watermelons |
| 09:25.14 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/fRrY8M5w |
| 09:25.21 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, idk |
| 09:25.29 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, it wont load anything |
| 09:25.47 | kmonk | /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so -> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libnpip2.so |
| 09:25.47 | kmonk | wth? this file is in so many different places no wonder this is confusing. |
| 09:26.16 | kmonk | no to mention ~/.mozilla/plugins/* think i'll sit this one out :s |
| 09:26.17 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: check if you really have /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so |
| 09:26.25 | thewanderer1 | module-assistant after "build failed" corrupts input |
| 09:26.45 | thewanderer1 | I am unable to navigate through the log because all keys have undefined, semi-random behaviour |
| 09:27.54 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie: I don't have any java-6-sun in the usr/lib/jvm folder |
| 09:28.10 | thewanderer1 | (oh, and by the way, aufs doesn't compile on 2.6.32-5-amd64) |
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| 09:28.31 | ShapeShifter499 | rozie: it doesn't show in nautilus |
| 09:29.17 | ham5 | but it shows its loaded in the about:plugins rite ??????? |
| 09:29.25 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5 yes |
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| 09:29.49 | ham5 | its loaded ... iceweasle is loading something its just not gettin exec |
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| 09:30.12 | ham5 | have you tried a new link??? |
| 09:30.19 | ham5 | just for shits ang giggles??? |
| 09:30.25 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5 no not sure what to link |
| 09:30.36 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: uh... isn't aufs already present in squeeze kernel. |
| 09:30.44 | kmonk | then read permissions? chown -hR user:user ~/.mozilla/plugins/ incase they got messed up? |
| 09:30.44 | ham5 | /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libnpip2.so |
| 09:30.52 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: modinfo aufs |
| 09:30.56 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: it is possible, hmm... |
| 09:31.09 | ham5 | /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libnpjp2.so!! |
| 09:31.11 | thewanderer1 | oh, it's there, thanks |
| 09:31.16 | rozie | ShapeShifter499: so you probably have problem with symlinks if no java-6-sun in /usr/lib/jvm |
| 09:31.32 | thewanderer1 | we have squashfs too, wow |
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| 09:32.00 | sivang | hi all |
| 09:32.16 | jelly-home | judd: file libnpjp2.so --arch amd64 --release squeeze |
| 09:32.16 | sivang | I am wondering what other solutions are there for message queue and passing than rsyslog ? |
| 09:32.20 | judd | libnpjp2.so in squeeze/amd64: ia32-sun-java6-bin: usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun-1.6.0.21/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so; sun-java6-bin: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.21/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so |
| 09:32.31 | sivang | I hope that's not terribly off topic. |
| 09:33.02 | kmonk | hi sivang :) |
| 09:33.07 | sivang | hey kmonk |
| 09:33.16 | kmonk | dont worry the trolls are taking a nap |
| 09:33.27 | ham5 | I dont know about that |
| 09:33.44 | sivang | heh, they are? |
| 09:33.50 | sivang | I thought there were no trolls here anymore. |
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| 09:34.00 | sivang | thinks of asking in oftc as well |
| 09:34.02 | kmonk | yeah they are, hear that? pure bliss |
| 09:34.06 | thewanderer1 | sivang: for message passing, dbus is the de facto standard, locally |
| 09:34.40 | sivang | thewanderer1: right, but I want soemthing that I can relay transactions through, like rsyslog, I just want to explore the other solutions before settling on rsyslog |
| 09:34.52 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea how dbus operates over networks, though - most network daemons I've seen were implementing their own IPC |
| 09:34.52 | sivang | thewanderer1: and well, not locally, but diustributively |
| 09:35.05 | thewanderer1 | you are likely to have to design your own protocol |
| 09:35.16 | sivang | I see |
| 09:35.24 | jelly-home | sivang: you're better off in a programming-related channel than a distro one |
| 09:35.28 | thewanderer1 | sivang: hint: for distributed work, see 'gearman' |
| 09:35.34 | thewanderer1 | + it has a package for Debian :> |
| 09:35.40 | sivang | : |
| 09:35.43 | sivang | :) |
| 09:36.03 | sivang | jelly-home: yes jelly, but the wit and help of debian devels or users has helped me greaetly before where programming channels did not :) |
| 09:36.15 | sivang | jelly-home: also, I'm not after programming something, just deploying something |
| 09:36.16 | ShapeShifter499 | bangs head on table |
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| 09:36.35 | ShapeShifter499 | screaming "work god-damn it! " |
| 09:36.48 | sivang | kmonk: do we know each other btw? you seemed to know me ? :) |
| 09:37.20 | kmonk | kmonk: hmm prehaps, it's not important. |
| 09:37.33 | kmonk | haha look at that talking to myself. |
| 09:37.57 | kmonk | ShapeShifter499: ok it should work but it is not... |
| 09:38.25 | ShapeShifter499 | kmonk: nope |
| 09:38.51 | kmonk | consider this: |
| 09:39.06 | kmonk | sudo apt-get purge sun-jre-whatever |
| 09:39.14 | kmonk | sudo apt-get autoremove |
| 09:39.21 | kmonk | sudo dpkg --purge $(dpkg --get-selections|grep deinstall|awk '{print $1}') |
| 09:39.54 | ham5 | or get noobtu |
| 09:40.24 | kmonk | then reinstall sun-jre-whatever.... so in brief, purge backage and settings, purge leftovers, purge leftover leftovers, and reinstall.... |
| 09:40.25 | ShapeShifter499 | ham5 I just moved from crapntu |
| 09:40.42 | kmonk | package* |
| 09:40.45 | ham5 | it shows |
| 09:40.55 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
| 09:41.06 | ShapeShifter499 | everything works better than ubuntu except java |
| 09:41.08 | ShapeShifter499 | D: |
| 09:41.46 | thewanderer1 | hey, will it harm my system if I mount an aufs overlay over root fs and install some packages? |
| 09:42.05 | thewanderer1 | I just have a small hard disk and don't want to overload it with software |
| 09:42.54 | kmonk | may i suggest a dpkg script i put together from bits and pieces that can assist you with the never ending purge, re-install cycle? prehaps... |
| 09:43.14 | ham5 | take my trogen too please! |
| 09:43.22 | kmonk | :/ |
| 09:43.44 | ham5 | no but seriously give me ssh access |
| 09:43.55 | sivang | ShapeShifter499: :) |
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| 09:44.12 | sivang | trojen ? |
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| 09:44.24 | thewanderer1 | how does Linux estimate route metrics? I have 2 routes to my LAN: one through eth0 and one through wlan0, and they just got assigned different metrics. how? |
| 09:44.53 | DDRP | Puppet > * Puppet can help you with your re-installing cycle |
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| 09:45.11 | thewanderer1 | is Debian itself smart enough to "know" that wifi is more expensive than cable, or is it just a random side-effect of sth? |
| 09:45.18 | pav5088 | kmonk, thanks for the info... |
| 09:45.34 | kmonk | you sorted out your issue? |
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| 09:46.42 | kmonk | the mixed revision thing |
| 09:47.12 | kmonk | it's a cool idea, there's a few things from unstable that i may need as well so hey, show and learn aye all gud |
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| 09:47.44 | bolt | thewanderer1: unless you've set up load balancing, i think it just goes with whatever is in your routing table, which probably points to the lowest available interface at the moment |
| 09:48.12 | thewanderer1 | bolt, but my routing table shows that route through wlan0 has metric=2, while eth0 has metric=1 |
| 09:48.59 | thewanderer1 | it's pretty cool, but I don't know how it guessed the metrics :P |
| 09:49.18 | bolt | hm.. no clue |
| 09:49.36 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's just network-magician magic |
| 09:50.29 | kmonk | you can't patent magic! lol |
| 09:50.49 | kmonk | don't even try |
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| 09:53.59 | sivang | hmm, network-black-magic in my experience, forcing me to ask for a ghost clearing out of my network interfaces. |
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| 09:54.27 | thewanderer1 | er no, it's just metrics and they work rather good |
| 09:54.45 | thewanderer1 | I wish it'd configure its routes and setup OSPF and iptables for me :P |
| 09:55.06 | sivang | thewanderer1: it works about well now, however , more often than not, it won't reconnect and associate after a suspend. |
| 09:55.24 | sivang | thewanderer1: I'm yet to find out why, although I investigated. |
| 09:55.26 | thewanderer1 | haha, suspend! my suspend hasn't been working for 4 months now |
| 09:55.42 | sivang | I'm on Lucid... |
| 09:55.46 | thewanderer1 | ah, I see. |
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| 09:56.08 | sivang | and network-manager gives me *hard* time. |
| 09:56.21 | thewanderer1 | it's not like Debian and Ubuntu have a different number of bugs, they just have them placed elswehere :P |
| 09:56.29 | kmonk | there's a suspend-resume part somewhere, anyway. you cant add a /etc/init.d/networking restart or whatever to the end of that script to re-init your networking devices. |
| 09:56.30 | sivang | I guess :) |
| 09:56.59 | sivang | you mean 'start network-manager' ? |
| 09:57.09 | sivang | it ignores networking resstart completly |
| 09:57.20 | kmonk | depends on your method i guess. |
| 09:57.25 | thewanderer1 | then it's the firmware/kernel, not software ;P |
| 09:57.31 | sivang | but hope is on the horizon, they are going to include connman soon |
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| 09:57.59 | thewanderer1 | as in "intel connection manager"? |
| 09:58.05 | kmonk | i love little scripts that just solve the problem well, we don't need anymore layers! (is connman another layer? :p) |
| 09:58.17 | thewanderer1 | sure enough, connman is another layer |
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| 09:58.18 | sivang | kmonk: it's a manager that does not suck :-) |
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| 09:58.34 | sivang | thewanderer1: for me it is more along the lines of 'Nokia connection manager' |
| 09:58.45 | thewanderer1 | network-manager does not suck either, it just doesn't have any real documentation :P |
| 09:58.46 | kmonk | ahaha ok avoid connman, noted :) |
| 09:59.04 | thewanderer1 | (developer blogs don't count) |
| 09:59.52 | sivang | kmonk: what, why? :) |
| 09:59.54 | sivang | http://connman.net/ |
| 09:59.59 | kmonk | matrix background via cmatrix... you want it you need it! details coming to the forum soon :> |
| 10:00.30 | kmonk | i would cut my own arms off if i didn't need them. |
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| 10:01.01 | thewanderer1 | great, connman doesn't have a KDE interface |
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| 10:01.26 | thewanderer1 | and I've heard Nokia is now using Qt as its primary development environment for mobile devices... what a consistency |
| 10:01.32 | kmonk | IF it's a capable replacement for WICD then kudos. |
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| 10:04.21 | kmonk | i guess there comes a point where dev's should make some money and so what if their software sucks i don't have to install it, que sera. |
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| 10:05.07 | thewanderer1 | how do I run a graphic application (namely a game on OpenGL) in chroot? |
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| 10:05.39 | superlinux | hi. |
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| 10:06.06 | kmonk | welcome, superlinux! ^_^ |
| 10:06.42 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Wicd doesn't have a KDE interface either, and it still works better than anything that has. |
| 10:07.05 | thrashold | thewanderer1: And it isn't a big trouble either if you're on KDE desktop, so who cares? :) |
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| 10:07.38 | kmonk | thewanderer1: you want to chroot into a subsystem then run a opengl program? that's sick man. |
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| 10:08.03 | superlinux | I always feel that I need the following function inside nautilus: right click => open terminal from the nautilus current folder. how can I have that? |
| 10:08.08 | thrashold | thewanderer1: What trouble did you have when you did it? |
| 10:08.11 | thewanderer1 | kmonk: well yes, I want to run a game from chroot |
| 10:08.37 | ham5 | you can download it from the repos superlinux |
| 10:09.01 | superlinux | ham5, what is't called? |
| 10:09.05 | ham5 | !dpkg nautilus-open-terminal |
| 10:09.28 | superlinux | cos KDE has it |
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| 10:10.13 | ham5 | so does gnome: ) |
| 10:10.54 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: Unable to initialize SDL: DirectFBCreate: Initialization error! |
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| 10:11.40 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Is that the only error message and output? |
| 10:12.42 | thewanderer1 | what might be more relevant is this: (!) Direct/Util: opening '/dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' failed |
| 10:12.50 | superlinux | ham5, found it |
| 10:12.52 | thewanderer1 | should I really mount /dev over? |
| 10:13.07 | thrashold | thewanderer1: It isn't. My guess is that it's not finding X authority. |
| 10:13.08 | superlinux | i jus downldd it |
| 10:13.43 | ham5 | not sure if you will have to restart nautilus or if it will for you... if you dont see it in the right click menu... just end the nautilus task it will reload :) |
| 10:13.50 | thewanderer1 | how do I pass X authority to it? |
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| 10:14.51 | thewanderer1 | do I need to have my home mounted, too? |
| 10:15.01 | superlinux | i will reload nautilus |
| 10:15.05 | thewanderer1 | (I'm using aufs for the chroot and it doesn't seem to mount home automagically) |
| 10:15.19 | thrashold | thewanderer1: One was is to copy the ~/.Xauthority from the outside to the chroot. Though there should be an easier way, people are using chroots with X apps with little trouble last time I heard |
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| 10:15.56 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Anyway, this isn't helpful without the real error that you get |
| 10:16.08 | superlinux | I reloaded this way: killall -HUP nautilus |
| 10:16.13 | thewanderer1 | alright, gonna pastebin it |
| 10:16.34 | superlinux | the option is in the right click and the file menu of nautilus |
| 10:16.44 | superlinux | ham5, thanks |
| 10:17.04 | thewanderer1 | this is it: http://paste.debian.net/83452/ |
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| 10:17.36 | ham5 | np |
| 10:17.42 | thrashold | Why are you trying to run sauerbraten from a chroot? |
| 10:17.59 | thewanderer1 | becuase I have no space for it on my system :P |
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| 10:18.43 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Well, having the same .Xauthority in home as you do in the real world, and setting DISPLAY correctly should fix the problem with the chroot, however I don't think you need a chroot to do that |
| 10:19.07 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: how else would I run sauerbraten from another medium than my root partition? |
| 10:19.16 | thewanderer1 | (or anything, for that matter) |
| 10:19.29 | thrashold | thewanderer1: 1) Did you try running it without chrooting first? 2) You can symlink it (it's messy, don't do it) 3) You can have installed in a different prefix. |
| 10:19.52 | thewanderer1 | no, I haven't tried to run it without chroot - I can't run it without chroot because it is installed inside the chroot :P |
| 10:20.11 | thrashold | Why do you think so? |
| 10:20.20 | thewanderer1 | well, can I? |
| 10:20.27 | kmonk | you could. |
| 10:20.35 | kmonk | but why would you man! think of the layers |
| 10:20.53 | thrashold | I don't know if you could, since I don't know what issues could arise if the prefix gets changed like this, but you can try it and tell us |
| 10:21.01 | kmonk | sauerbraten is bloated enough without adding chroot into the bloat. |
| 10:21.11 | kmonk | (although it's a great game and very fun) |
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| 10:21.40 | thrashold | kmonk: Using chroot is irrelevant to CPU and memory usage. |
| 10:21.51 | thrashold | Well, almost. |
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| 10:22.24 | thewanderer1 | it's about my storage |
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| 10:23.17 | thewanderer1 | I want to have an external storage for installing debs on my system, so I thought "I'll mount aufs and make an overlay of my current system, then load it up with some packages, and I can discard it afterwards and my / doesn't get filled because the overlay resides on a NAS" |
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| 10:25.01 | vorlock | hi all, can anyone know a good tool for reporting system crashes? |
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| 10:25.35 | jacekowski | when linux crashes then kernel is stopped |
| 10:25.45 | cast | linux is the kernel. |
| 10:25.49 | jacekowski | and unless you have something attached to serial console you can't get any data out of it |
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| 10:25.56 | thrashold | Serial console maybe? |
| 10:26.05 | thewanderer1 | netconsole sometimes works, too |
| 10:26.24 | daft | you have a thing called serial to ethernet |
| 10:26.28 | thrashold | Shooting the screen with a camera may also work, if you happen to be at a logging console when the crash happens |
| 10:26.32 | daft | that with netcat |
| 10:26.36 | vorlock | ok, other words, kernel is running but no access via console |
| 10:26.46 | jacekowski | no, kernel is dead |
| 10:26.49 | vorlock | reisub gives me nothing |
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| 10:27.00 | jacekowski | are keyboard lights flashing? |
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| 10:27.14 | thrashold | Alt+SysRq+B should always work, even after a panic |
| 10:27.25 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:27.31 | thrashold | Unless the hardware has gone |
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| 10:27.37 | vorlock | I don't want to reboot I want to see what is causing it |
| 10:27.48 | jacekowski | vorlock: connect serial console |
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| 10:27.52 | daft | thrashold for that the capslock key need to respond |
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| 10:28.15 | thrashold | daft: Ok, sorry, Alt+SysRq+b :) |
| 10:28.35 | thewanderer1 | Alt+SysRq+B doesn't work if a kernel panics |
| 10:29.06 | jacekowski | yep |
| 10:29.13 | thrashold | It has always worked for me |
| 10:29.14 | jacekowski | processor is stopped and it's not going anywhere |
| 10:29.26 | thewanderer1 | "reset button" is the way to go |
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| 10:29.43 | jacekowski | last instruction in kernel panic() function is HLT |
| 10:29.50 | thrashold | The only case when Alt+SysRq+b hadn't worked for was when the whole hardware had crashed |
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| 10:29.56 | vorlock | if I'll find my last serial maybe will see something |
| 10:29.58 | jacekowski | and disables interrupts before that |
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| 10:30.48 | thrashold | vorlock: Unless you are able to reproduce the crash, I think it's unlikely that you'll be able to read something that way. :) |
| 10:31.01 | thewanderer1 | hint: rebooting after panic is a neat feature of Linux - one that can save you long drives to the server room |
| 10:31.13 | vorlock | thrashold: problem is it happend 2nd time in 2 weeks |
| 10:31.26 | vorlock | and never before |
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| 10:32.00 | thewanderer1 | vorlock: 1) use a more stable kernel 2) check hardware 3) get more cool fans (no, not on Facebook) |
| 10:32.10 | vorlock | so I just changed kernel logging lvl and waiting for another crash ;-( |
| 10:32.39 | vorlock | thewanderer1: lol I've never been on facebook :-) |
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| 10:33.15 | vorlock | and I'm on lenny, no backports just standard installation |
| 10:33.21 | daft | pets vorlock |
| 10:33.23 | thrashold | vorlock: Is this a server or a workstation? |
| 10:33.38 | vorlock | hp 380g5 |
| 10:34.10 | thrashold | Do HP 380g5 have X running usually? :) |
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| 10:34.45 | thrashold | is there a monitor attached to it? |
| 10:34.46 | vorlock | thrashold: I have no X |
| 10:35.03 | vorlock | thrashold: I'm using KVM |
| 10:35.19 | thrashold | Did the KVM crash, or the host system? |
| 10:35.34 | thrashold | oh, that kind of KVM |
| 10:35.37 | vorlock | thrashold: lol; |
| 10:36.07 | vorlock | thrashold: Keyboard Video Mouse |
| 10:36.09 | thrashold | vorlock: So you can attach a monitor then. Do you have access to that monitor? Was there something on it after the crash |
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| 10:36.44 | vorlock | thrashold: clean screen |
| 10:37.08 | thrashold | vorlock: Clean or blank? |
| 10:37.12 | cristi8 | urgent: my hdd is making hrrhrrrhrr for about 2 minutes, and i see process vino-server using 100cpu. should i kill it? |
| 10:37.13 | vorlock | but kernel is up cause ping going thrue |
| 10:37.25 | cristi8 | i can see it's related to vnc? |
| 10:37.31 | kmonk | vorlock: hello :D |
| 10:37.44 | vorlock | kmonk: hello :-) |
| 10:37.49 | thrashold | vorlock: Is there any way to connect a keyboard to the computer directly. Is the KVM using USB keyboard? |
| 10:38.05 | cristi8 | hmm, it stopped |
| 10:38.32 | thrashold | vorlock: If it replies to ping, my guess is that SysRq isn't working because of the USB keyboard you tried to attach after the system wasn't ok |
| 10:38.35 | vorlock | thrashold: keyboard is via ps2 to kvm and there was nothing on screen |
| 10:38.48 | kmonk | cristi8: hdd failure immediate, enable SMART HDD monitoring in BIOS to get the full story, otherwise just backup everything important while you still can :p |
| 10:39.11 | kmonk | at anyrate better safe then sorry yeah? :) |
| 10:39.15 | cristi8 | kmonk: that hrrhrr was the normal access/write noise |
| 10:39.20 | thrashold | vorlock: OK, consider disabling any console power saving. If there is still nothing on the screen then, the video subsystem has failed. Make sure that the logging console is outputted on the screen. |
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| 10:40.44 | vorlock | thrashold: but how video is related to not responsive ssh or other proccesses? |
| 10:41.22 | afief | What is the difference between /usr/share/menu and /usr/share/applications? |
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| 10:41.52 | ham5 | difference in what? |
| 10:41.58 | thrashold | vorlock: It isn't, but it is the only way besides serial console to read the messages |
| 10:42.01 | ham5 | obviously they are different directorys |
| 10:42.14 | thrashold | vorlock: You probably want to it work unless you find your serial cable |
| 10:42.51 | afief | ham5, as in both seem to exist for the purpose of creating menu entries in the gnome/kde/whatever menu, so since they serve the same purpose, what's the difference? |
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| 10:43.01 | vorlock | thrashold: yep looks like I have to kick someones ass because of this cable |
| 10:43.23 | thrashold | vorlock: By the way, I'd advice against REISUB, B doesn't sync software RAIDs, O does this and more (and so O doesn't always work, hence the need for REISUOB) |
| 10:43.40 | vorlock | thrashold: thx will fight with it next time |
| 10:44.02 | vorlock | thrashold: I have hardware raid |
| 10:44.20 | kmonk | vorlock: if you want detailed crash report, you will need to compile your own kernel with associated tracers and kexec kernel crash dumps |
| 10:44.27 | Invoked | NIGHT ALL! |
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| 10:44.42 | thewanderer1 | huh, so I needed to mount --bind /home for sauerbraten to work |
| 10:44.43 | vorlock | kmonk: looks like going back in time :-0 |
| 10:44.45 | vorlock | :-) |
| 10:44.49 | thewanderer1 | but the performance is... er... crappy |
| 10:44.51 | thrashold | Why are SysRq term, kill and oom-kill disabled by default on Debian?! |
| 10:45.11 | kmonk | easier just to use logic to figure the problem, crashdumps will cause brain tumors :D |
| 10:45.16 | thewanderer1 | they're not - they're just sneaky |
| 10:45.45 | thrashold | Which part of Debian controls SysRq? |
| 10:45.53 | vorlock | kmonk: logic without starting point it worthless |
| 10:45.53 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: Linux |
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| 10:46.17 | kmonk | alright logic first, if that fails, crash logs :p |
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| 10:46.32 | thrashold | thewanderer1: I hope they didn't put it in the kernel, I don't want to compile my own to have working SysRq :P |
| 10:46.42 | kmonk | logic without basis is meaningless it's true! so true |
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| 10:47.14 | thewanderer1 | thrashold: it's in Linux... but SysRq is working |
| 10:47.38 | thewanderer1 | and I'm not going to check it now... I'd rather run my Sauerbraten in chroot and enjoy the 125MB/s UDP filesystem performance |
| 10:48.02 | vorlock | ok guys boing back to work cu later |
| 10:48.40 | thrashold | thewanderer1: No, it isn't. /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq is 438 instead of 1, 502, or 510, hense it is not working (or rather, it is completely useless) |
| 10:49.07 | thrashold | thewanderer1: Debugging and killing processes is disabled. |
| 10:50.13 | macrobat | thrashold: can't you edit /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 10:50.57 | thrashold | I guess I could, but I'm looking to find what set it to 438 in the first place |
| 10:52.12 | thewanderer1 | er... perhaps the default kernel settings? |
| 10:52.23 | thrashold | Why would sysrq be broken by default? :) |
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| 10:53.36 | thewanderer1 | it's broken the same way as "lack of non-free software" is :P |
| 10:53.40 | macrobat | broken how? |
| 10:53.44 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:54.07 | thrashold | You can't shut down the system cleanly in case of trouble |
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| 10:54.18 | moldovean | !SysRq |
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| 10:54.19 | dpkg | i heard sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
| 10:54.27 | thewanderer1 | but SUB is enough |
| 10:54.59 | thrashold | This doesn't terminate the processes cleanly, in fact it doesn't terminate them at all. Not to mention the data loss if something was writing during S-U |
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| 10:55.28 | macrobat | when ever i have used sysrq (not often) to shut down, it hasn't been clean. |
| 10:56.19 | kmonk | just pull the cable, works every-time. ok j/k. is tapping the power button safe with apic? i *think* so? sudo poweroff does the trick otherwise n/p. fsck check on boot all goods. |
| 10:57.13 | thewanderer1 | there's no data loss with journalling filesystems working properly |
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| 10:58.07 | thrashold | That's not true if there is an MD RAID running, a write to a RAID during Alt+SysRq+b can fry it |
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| 10:58.42 | kmonk | if only the powersupply graduly scaled power down somehow instead of the ol "CLUNK" it's off effect, hardware would last much longer, |
| 10:58.49 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64 with gnome-core. I want to be able to lock the screen but gnome-screensaver takes up 56mb. Now that I have a lack of free space but isn't there a more elegant approach that will let me lock the screen? |
| 10:59.15 | OpenTokix | xlock? |
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| 11:01.51 | qwd | OpenTokix: "not a real package" |
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| 11:02.59 | kmonk | qwd: xautolock |
| 11:03.19 | kmonk | it's just an interface though hm |
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| 11:04.25 | OpenTokix | qwd: xtrlock - Minimal X display lock program |
| 11:04.53 | thewanderer1 | bleh - how come those buggers always aim perfectly... |
| 11:05.09 | thewanderer1 | likes the new Sauerbraten graphics but hates the bots :P |
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| 11:05.51 | kmonk | ha |
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| 11:06.50 | thewanderer1 | so my aufs overlay trick for installing packages on external media and using a chroot seems to work, but I'm not so sure about its resistance against updates of the main system |
| 11:06.56 | kmonk | people get annoyed when i play openarena- i thought people enjoy being gibbed over and over again? |
| 11:06.57 | qwd | Thanks, I'll check it out! |
| 11:07.20 | thewanderer1 | and it maintains its own dpkg status file - could be dangerous |
| 11:08.01 | thewanderer1 | perhaps I need to write a script to just generate dpkg status diffs... |
| 11:08.28 | thewanderer1 | hm, how to diff dpkg status? |
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| 11:09.18 | kmonk | of course, the plot thickens, mass deployment ala remote ssh chroot anyone? |
| 11:10.20 | kmonk | thewanderer1: it will have something to do with dpkg-diff no doubt |
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| 11:12.37 | thewanderer1 | kmonk: well, dpkg-diff doesn't exist here on my system |
| 11:12.52 | thewanderer1 | hmm, there seems to be a tool |
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| 11:13.40 | melomane | hi, what is the update period of testing? |
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| 11:14.13 | thewanderer1 | melomane: like a few hours |
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| 11:14.27 | thewanderer1 | melomane: unless you're asking about "when it will squeeze be released" |
| 11:14.29 | thrashold | melomane: What is an 'update period'? |
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| 11:15.16 | thewanderer1 | period: An interval of time characterized by the occurrence of a certain condition, event, or phenomenon |
| 11:15.18 | melomane | for example every week or every 2 weeks or ... |
| 11:15.32 | jacekowski | or every month |
| 11:15.32 | thrashold | melomane: What is update? |
| 11:15.33 | thewanderer1 | melomane: testing gets updated whenever a new package appears |
| 11:15.49 | thewanderer1 | nobody knows, but probably it gets updated very often, few times a day |
| 11:15.50 | melomane | it wont cause my system break? |
| 11:16.03 | thewanderer1 | melomane: if you have to ask, you don't want to run testing :P |
| 11:16.34 | melomane | because i want newer packages, not as old as the stable |
| 11:16.55 | thrashold | melomane: Maybe you should know that testing is currently frozen. |
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| 11:17.24 | melomane | thrashold: the testing itseld will be continiued, doesnt it? |
| 11:17.40 | thrashold | melomane: I don't understand that question either :) |
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| 11:18.04 | thewanderer1 | melomane: no, "testing" is not always a rolling release. |
| 11:18.19 | melomane | thrashold: :)) , the debian system is a little strange, i read a lot, but i cant understand |
| 11:18.21 | thewanderer1 | melomane: if you pin "testing" in apt, you will slip into sid one day when squeeze gets released |
| 11:18.40 | thewanderer1 | because when testing becomes stable, the new testing is just a copy of sid |
| 11:18.51 | melomane | thrashold: aha, i c |
| 11:19.22 | melomane | thrashold: myabe i have to try it to understand :) |
| 11:19.35 | thewanderer1 | if you want the most bleeding-edge software, you might try sidux - it is said to be optimized for bleeding-edge software |
| 11:19.38 | thrashold | melomane: In other words, you probably should use 'squeeze' not 'testing'. |
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| 11:20.03 | thewanderer1 | melomane: hint: you can use backports |
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| 11:20.14 | thewanderer1 | !tell melomane about bpo |
| 11:20.19 | melomane | thewanderer1: i tried it, but there were some disappointing points |
| 11:20.35 | melomane | thewanderer1: i mean sidux |
| 11:20.49 | kmonk | yeah, the admins for one >_< |
| 11:20.56 | kmonk | the bugs for another >_< |
| 11:20.58 | thewanderer1 | check out backports, they might be more rewarding than running testing and fixing stuff |
| 11:21.03 | thrashold | I think this is a worse idea than simply using sid. |
| 11:21.07 | thewanderer1 | not that testing breaks often, of course |
| 11:21.45 | melomane | u know, i am a kubuntu user, but am tried to switch to at least a rolling-release-like linux |
| 11:22.00 | melomane | *I tried |
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| 11:22.25 | moldovean | !sns melomane |
| 11:24.03 | thewanderer1 | hey, I have a strange feeling that Google is watching my every move |
| 11:24.14 | melomane | if i use lenny and have backports in my repo , what happens when the next stable version releases? |
| 11:24.24 | kmonk | thewanderer1: maybe because it is? |
| 11:24.35 | thewanderer1 | I searched for "period definition", the page that turns up is "the free dictionary" and I see adverts like this, separated by |: |
| 11:24.55 | thewanderer1 | packages | missed period | late period | apt-get install | debian source | period pain |
| 11:24.58 | kmonk | thewanderer1: certainly off topic but anyway... www.scroogle.org , google without the big-brother effect, or dump google altogther and go to www.gigablast.com |
| 11:25.04 | thewanderer1 | what the... I didn't even mention Debian |
| 11:25.46 | thewanderer1 | is there a way in Chromium to prevent websites from applying tracking cookies? |
| 11:26.11 | kmonk | it's all in the cookies, defining your interests and deciding what's best for you based on your interests and googles big, fat wallet. |
| 11:26.18 | rozie | thewanderer1: you can set up to remove cookies on exit |
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| 11:26.45 | rozie | if you're asking about normal cookies, not LSO |
| 11:26.46 | thewanderer1 | rozie: alright, that's what I'll do |
| 11:26.55 | thewanderer1 | what is LSO? |
| 11:27.15 | rozie | take a look at firefox extension called Better privacy |
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| 11:27.46 | thewanderer1 | I'm using chromium - firefox sucks up all resources from the system and is slow as hell |
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| 11:28.39 | rozie | thewanderer1: stable or squeeze? |
| 11:28.50 | thewanderer1 | sid |
| 11:29.04 | thewanderer1 | and iceweasel still sucks |
| 11:29.06 | rozie | oh. have the same Fx and works fine |
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| 11:29.21 | rozie | did you turn off cache in memory? |
| 11:29.34 | thewanderer1 | er, no? |
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| 11:29.39 | kmonk | aha ff isn't for eveyone nor should it be, there should always be alternatives... |
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| 11:29.42 | jpinx-eeepc | thewanderer1: try swiftfox :P |
| 11:30.02 | rozie | thewanderer1: I always turn it off |
| 11:30.07 | rozie | about:options |
| 11:30.15 | rozie | then look for cache memory |
| 11:30.18 | thewanderer1 | er swiftfox is not in the repos |
| 11:30.25 | thrashold | rozie: Wouldn't that make it even slower? |
| 11:30.37 | rozie | about:config not options |
| 11:30.47 | rozie | don't know |
| 11:30.56 | rozie | works fine for me |
| 11:31.10 | rozie | chromium is faster, but Fx has better plugins |
| 11:31.17 | rozie | use them both ;) |
| 11:31.25 | thewanderer1 | eh |
| 11:31.41 | jpinx-eeepc | thewanderer1: I thought you're running sid and capable of installing a deb from somewhere else? |
| 11:31.42 | thewanderer1 | I've just turned on the option for asking me about cookies in Chromium |
| 11:31.51 | thewanderer1 | jpinx-eeepc: I am capable, but I am reluctant too |
| 11:32.06 | thewanderer1 | debs from somewhere else are what I try to avoid as much as I can |
| 11:32.27 | rozie | thewanderer1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Shared_Object |
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| 11:32.32 | jpinx-eeepc | thewanderer1: I've been running swiftfox for almost a year with updates along with everything else - it's solid |
| 11:32.34 | rozie | here you can read about LSO |
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| 11:32.50 | thewanderer1 | rozie: ah thanks, I don't run flash in chromium anyway \o/ |
| 11:32.57 | rozie | OK |
| 11:33.09 | jpinx-eeepc | and flash works :p |
| 11:33.41 | kmonk | compile from source to suit architecture for best results (assuming your build enviroment is sane and tweaks sound) |
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| 11:34.01 | thewanderer1 | couldn't care less about flash |
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| 11:34.06 | kmonk | swiftfox is essentially firefox precompiled to suit your architecture, as apposed to the generic iceweasel binary. |
| 11:34.08 | Invoked | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1281865000569.jpg |
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| 11:35.02 | thewanderer1 | hm, I thought firefox was slow because of the implementation, not a very generic compile |
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| 11:35.55 | kmonk | Invoked: that's racist! and funny. but racist. so conflicted. |
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| 11:36.21 | bzed | thewanderer1: exactly. I doubt that swiftfox thing brings anything useful... |
| 11:36.22 | Invoked | Lol kmonk :P |
| 11:36.38 | Invoked | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1281865643160.jpg kmonk |
| 11:37.37 | kmonk | LOL! *hurls back some more rum* |
| 11:38.08 | kmonk | what? it's saturday night guys ;_; |
| 11:38.23 | Invoked | kmonk: => Obama => http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1281865437241.jpg |
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| 11:39.22 | thewanderer1 | kmonk: lies, it's sunday afternoon |
| 11:39.47 | jpinx-eeepc | lies - it's sunday evening |
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| 11:40.17 | kmonk | invoked has been provoked to bless us all with senseless humour good job |
| 11:40.37 | Invoked | kmonk |
| 11:40.37 | Invoked | <Invoked> why did Obama cross the road? |
| 11:40.38 | Invoked | <Invoked> cos he heard the chicken was a slut |
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| 11:41.15 | jelly-home | Invoked: stop that please |
| 11:41.22 | Invoked | jelly-home: alright. |
| 11:42.02 | kmonk | not really the place for it unfortunately for politics and nonesense about the tyrant we all love to hate sorryyyy |
| 11:42.15 | Invoked | kmonk: => http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1281867933471.jpg |
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| 11:42.29 | jelly-home | !offtopis |
| 11:42.30 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 11:42.35 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 11:43.23 | jelly-home | Invoked: I haven't joined this channel to look at inane 4chan links scroll by. Use #debian-offtopic and leave this place reserved for tech support. |
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| 11:45.39 | kmonk | jelly-home: duly noted. |
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| 11:49.58 | Rprp` | Hi! It isnt possible to resize an partition while its booted, right? |
| 11:50.03 | Sogorukuhn1 | Hi @ all |
| 11:50.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Rprp`: carefully ;) |
| 11:50.54 | Rprp` | jpinx-eeepc: it is possible? |
| 11:51.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Rprp`: everything is possible, but it's not really a good idea |
| 11:51.55 | Rprp` | jpinx-eeepc: mm, problem is my / partition is _only_ 5g, while my /home is 260g. I really need to resize the / partition |
| 11:52.04 | epsilon | Rprp`: partition isnt the problem, the filesystem in it is |
| 11:52.59 | epsilon | Rprp`: use /home already in use? how many gb files? |
| 11:53.32 | thewanderer1 | Rprp`: can't you mount /usr from /home ? |
| 11:53.38 | thewanderer1 | you save yourself the trouble |
| 11:53.39 | Rprp` | epsas: nothing in use, just installed the server and such, installed all the webserver thingies. there is no >1GB file yet |
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| 11:54.09 | epsilon | then remove /home, re-partiton it to home, use, var, etc |
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| 11:54.22 | thewanderer1 | mkdir /home/usr && cp -a /usr/* /home/usr/ && mount --bind /home/usr /usr |
| 11:54.23 | epsilon | of course you copy /home to / partition |
| 11:54.59 | Rprp` | mm, okay. going to take a look into that |
| 11:55.07 | epsilon | mount isn't really recommenden, it's *naaasty* if it's a fresh install |
| 11:56.13 | thewanderer1 | of course - it's a hack after all :P |
| 11:56.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Rprp`: if it's a fresh install of stable - do it again ;) |
| 11:56.36 | Rprp` | and, a resize isnt recommend? because there isnt really anything important on it though, but it saves me the costs of a reinstall |
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| 11:57.05 | Rprp` | jpinx-eeepc: well, its a dedi server and they made some stupid partitions though... |
| 11:57.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Rprp`: why does a re-install cost you? |
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| 11:57.25 | Invoked | jpinx-eeepc: How is the eePC ? do you like it ? |
| 11:57.28 | epsilon | Rprp`: if the filesystem is almost empty, backup the files somewhere else and create the partitions&filesystem from scratch without resize. Resizing is always a risc |
| 11:57.28 | Rprp` | jpinx-eeepc: dedi server, the company wants money for it |
| 11:57.35 | Invoked | How long do you get on the battery life jpinx-eeepc ? |
| 11:57.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Rprp`: not sure why that prevents you doing a fresh install.. |
| 11:58.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Invoked: about 4 hours |
| 11:58.22 | Invoked | jpinx-eeepc: ah mk. Doing what may I ask? |
| 11:58.36 | Invoked | Does it have inbuilt speakers jpinx-eeepc ? |
| 11:58.41 | epsilon | why do you need to reinstall entire debian to resize /home? |
| 11:58.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Invoked: but that is an inane question considering the numerous models and batteries available |
| 11:58.52 | Invoked | and what happens if you get a virus jpinx-eeepc ? You don't have a dvd drive lol |
| 11:58.57 | jpinx-eeepc | epsilon: other way around |
| 11:59.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Invoked: stop trolling |
| 11:59.28 | thewanderer1 | (general hint: actual battery run time is usually about 70% of what manufacturers give as "battery life") |
| 11:59.46 | thewanderer1 | (in any case, read a review - or two) |
| 11:59.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !ot |
| 11:59.59 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 12:00.11 | jpinx-eeepc | seriously guys - take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:01.21 | Invoked | No seriously jpinx-eeepc What would you do? |
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| 12:02.43 | Invoked | I'm Off to bed now (Laters all) |
| 12:03.29 | project2501a | iptables suck |
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| 12:03.31 | project2501a | seriously |
| 12:04.07 | project2501a | the command line should not be that archaic to use |
| 12:04.21 | bzed | project2501a: send patches :) |
| 12:04.29 | bzed | project2501a: also there will be a rewrite in the future |
| 12:04.50 | bzed | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nftables |
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| 12:04.54 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: use shorewall - it fixes the weird semantics and replaces them with its own weirdness |
| 12:05.18 | project2501a | todo, right after modifying d-i to include a nagios-ify module and a make-beowulf-cluster module. |
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| 12:05.57 | project2501a | has been a good sysadmin, has been writing stuff in the debian wiki |
| 12:06.11 | project2501a | there is no god, but rms |
| 12:06.18 | project2501a | *kowtow* |
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| 12:07.02 | DDRP | Why did Captain Picard install GNU/Libtool? |
| 12:07.11 | project2501a | to get to the other side? |
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| 12:07.24 | DDRP | He wanted to make it .so |
| 12:07.31 | project2501a | make death |
| 12:07.52 | project2501a | make death && haste |
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| 12:08.29 | DDRP | Don't know how to make 'death' |
| 12:09.27 | project2501a | let me help you... |
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| 12:13.32 | jarick | Êá´ê±? |
| 12:13.45 | project2501a | elvis has left the building |
| 12:14.02 | jarick | ɪ'á´ á´á´Êá´á´ÉªÉ´ Êá´ Êá´ê± Êá´ê°á´. |
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| 12:17.37 | rudi_s | jarick: Why aren't you using normal characters? |
| 12:18.23 | jarick | suspects that rudi_s isn't familiar with Pratchett's novels. |
| 12:18.30 | jarick | But really, that's OT. |
| 12:18.41 | rudi_s | Yeah, I'm not. |
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| 12:19.58 | project2501a | how come debian does not have a single way of making the iptables list persistent? |
| 12:20.20 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: iptables save |
| 12:20.23 | project2501a | jarick: LOL |
| 12:20.28 | project2501a | LOOOOOOL |
| 12:20.42 | project2501a | CutMeOwnThroat: sausage-ona-bunn please |
| 12:20.56 | moldovean | !enter |
| 12:20.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:21.00 | project2501a | thewanderer1: that is what i am doing but that is not what i asked. |
| 12:21.09 | moldovean | project2501a, ^^ |
| 12:21.14 | project2501a | hai hai |
| 12:21.22 | project2501a | i like to speak like william shatner :P |
| 12:21.28 | rudi_s | project2501a: There is a bug report about it. I think it was removed because it wasn't implemented in a clean way. |
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| 12:21.47 | project2501a | rudi_s: that makes sense |
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| 12:22.10 | rudi_s | You can load it in /etc/network/interfaces with up. |
| 12:22.21 | project2501a | yeah, i was on my way there. |
| 12:22.26 | rudi_s | (or in rc.local) |
| 12:23.30 | rudi_s | (If you want to make sure the server can't get attacked in the short moment iptables is setup, add a deny all iptables script to pre-up in interfaces. |
| 12:23.33 | rudi_s | ) |
| 12:23.57 | thewanderer1 | that's what shorewall does for you, too |
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| 12:24.56 | JyZyXEL | pl2303 ttyUSB0: pl2303 converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0 |
| 12:25.05 | JyZyXEL | how do i make sure it always take ttyUSB0 |
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| 12:25.15 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: use udev |
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| 12:26.10 | JyZyXEL | which file should i put it in? |
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| 12:26.48 | ariqs | how often is debian updated? ubuntu pumps new versions out so fast, I can't keep up on my slow connection. It's just not possible to download all the updates |
| 12:27.57 | rudi_s | ariqs: Only security updates for the stable version. |
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| 12:28.31 | ariqs | how often is the stable version changed? |
| 12:28.35 | project2501a | hm |
| 12:28.36 | rudi_s | (And some point releases from time to time to fix big problems.) |
| 12:28.45 | thewanderer1 | ariqs: debian.org - see the Security Advisories section |
| 12:28.47 | project2501a | rudi_s: multiple commands after up? |
| 12:28.54 | thewanderer1 | ariqs: you can glean the frequency from there |
| 12:28.54 | project2501a | semicolon seperated? |
| 12:29.03 | rudi_s | ariqs: not often, last stable was relased 2009-02-14 |
| 12:29.13 | ariqs | ok, thanks guys |
| 12:29.17 | rudi_s | Next stable will be released this or next year (when it's done.) |
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| 12:29.56 | rudi_s | project2501a: Yes ; should work. |
| 12:30.03 | project2501a | :D |
| 12:30.05 | project2501a | o/ |
| 12:30.10 | project2501a | \o |
| 12:30.15 | project2501a | \o\ |
| 12:30.21 | rudi_s | (But I haven't tried it. Not sure if uses a shell.) |
| 12:30.26 | project2501a | too much sugar |
| 12:30.31 | rudi_s | ;-) |
| 12:31.01 | project2501a | wow. NAT basically boils down to 3 commands, if you got 2 interfaces. |
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| 12:31.09 | thewanderer1 | well yeah |
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| 12:31.57 | project2501a | turn on nat, and say that all packets can pass |
| 12:31.57 | thewanderer1 | notices that real-world routers often use OpenBSD or IOS, though... |
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| 12:32.28 | project2501a | erh, junos? |
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| 12:32.42 | thewanderer1 | was thinking about edge routers |
| 12:33.29 | project2501a | nat is done. off to create a dhcp lease file. |
| 12:33.31 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: just in case, there IS a Linux shell that emulates IOS and interfaces with iptables/iproute :D |
| 12:33.42 | project2501a | ios sux |
| 12:34.10 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but `ip` command in Linux still emulates it :P |
| 12:34.31 | project2501a | nat is done. off to create a dhcp lease file. |
| 12:34.33 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: not even remotely |
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| 12:34.48 | Ikarus | but there is a IOS emulator and an IOS simulator for Linux |
| 12:35.02 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: actually real world routers often do run Linux |
| 12:35.16 | thewanderer1 | I often get scared away by benchmarks |
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| 12:35.17 | Ikarus | thewanderer1: I heard around 30% of routers at AMS-IX run Linux |
| 12:35.22 | Ikarus | and around 20 run NetBSD |
| 12:35.24 | pipeline | real-world routers very rarely run linux |
| 12:35.32 | Ikarus | with the rest mostly proprietary router OSes |
| 12:35.34 | pipeline | and when they do they're usually using fancy ASICs not supported by the mainstream kernel |
| 12:35.38 | Ikarus | pipeline: just depends on where in the world |
| 12:35.40 | pipeline | a high-end PC can handle 1.5-2 MPPS |
| 12:35.44 | pipeline | a low-end router can do 30+ MPPS |
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| 12:36.00 | pipeline | we're talking 8-socket xeon versus bottom-of-the-line entry-level layer 3 switch |
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| 12:36.03 | Ikarus | pipeline: also remember quite alot of those routers need to be backed by a seperate machine to handle non-common routes |
| 12:36.23 | pipeline | Ikarus: that's also bullshit. Someone was just cheap, and decided they'd never see more than ~1 MPPS |
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| 12:36.26 | Ikarus | pipeline: or BGP trickery |
| 12:36.36 | Ikarus | pipeline: heh, most internet traffic is that though |
| 12:36.39 | pipeline | IOS virtualizes when you buy the big stuff |
| 12:36.47 | project2501a | so? |
| 12:37.02 | pipeline | the only reason you ever see a vanilla PC running linux as a network device is that it will do *everything* to a packet |
| 12:37.02 | project2501a | how does that make it not suck? |
| 12:37.16 | Ikarus | pipeline: I'll poll some AMS-IX people for their current statistics |
| 12:37.37 | pipeline | you may only get 1.5 MPPS from an 8 socket xeon, but you can slice, dice, melt, freeze and blow-dry every packet |
| 12:38.03 | pipeline | with a conventional router, you can stuff a boatload of packets through your routing table, but there will be hard, fast, and ugly limitations on what else you can do to the same packets |
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| 12:38.28 | thewanderer1 | !start a router war |
| 12:38.33 | thewanderer1 | eh ;P |
| 12:38.58 | pipeline | it's not so much a "war" as "the facts of life" |
| 12:39.07 | Invoked | !Thomson Router = Best in the world. |
| 12:39.10 | Invoked | !D-link = Worst. |
| 12:39.13 | Invoked | Lol. |
| 12:39.18 | pipeline | you see unadulterated linux in router devices that a.) handle very little traffic and b.) do lots and lots and lots of stuff to the traffic |
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| 12:40.02 | pipeline | that said Cisco's latest platform is Linux-based, and they do route at ridiculous levels. (Of course, all of that work is done in hardware, not by linux :( ) |
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| 12:40.53 | pipeline | another problem is that network guys tend to turn up their noses at the idea of using a PC as a network device |
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| 12:41.07 | jelly-home | !ops Invoked trolling for over an hour (thankfully, with breaks) |
| 12:41.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: Invoked trolling for over an hour (thankfully, with breaks) |
| 12:41.17 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 12:41.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: read the backlog. |
| 12:41.40 | abrotman | i just joined? |
| 12:41.48 | Invoked | jelly-home: What the fuck Dude. you are full of crud I haven't done shit you are the troll leave me alone ffs. |
| 12:41.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: good morning, then |
| 12:42.18 | abrotman | Invoked: knock it off, put him on ignore if you don't like him |
| 12:42.26 | Trewas | ficix, which handles most of the finnish net traffic between ISPs and so on, shows maximum at about 5MPPS, so sounds like router handling 1MPPS is enough for many situations |
| 12:43.32 | abrotman | jelly: you can msg logs if you want |
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| 12:45.01 | kmonk | no need to clean cruft just yet, no harm done right people? anyway... who has problems speak up this is tech support channel after all... |
| 12:45.48 | Linux-CLI | hi |
| 12:46.17 | kmonk | howdy Linux-CLI! |
| 12:46.27 | abrotman | Invoked: i suggest you and your friend, kmonk, keep it on topic. 4chan has no place here. |
| 12:47.20 | Invoked | alrighty. |
| 12:47.57 | kmonk | abrotman: i'll keep all offtopic chatter to #debian-offtopic fno' |
| 12:48.06 | abrotman | no, forever |
| 12:48.15 | kmonk | from now on |
| 12:48.24 | kmonk | as of now. |
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| 12:56.11 | thewanderer1 | how do I implement VLANs inside a KVM guest? |
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| 12:57.03 | ryrych | hello, I've got a problem with pinning (in Kubuntu): http://pastie.org/1093693 |
| 12:57.13 | thewanderer1 | !tell ryrych about ubuntu |
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| 13:09.23 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: in vmware you'd just add some network cards, each connected to a single vlan |
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| 13:11.50 | xingu | jelly-home: I think, don't quote me (not my gig) but that's exactly the use-case for macvlan |
| 13:11.50 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: in KVM I would do it too, but many cards are sure gonna confuse the admin and Windows |
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| 13:12.03 | thewanderer1 | macvlan? |
| 13:12.27 | jelly-home | macncheese |
| 13:12.54 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: jsut how many vlans are you planning to pull to a single guest? |
| 13:13.58 | thewanderer1 | about 6? 7? |
| 13:15.37 | jelly-home | there's nothing wrong with 6-7 eth devices. It's not like you have 200 of those |
| 13:16.14 | thewanderer1 | oh well |
| 13:16.26 | thewanderer1 | I think I'm gonna route after all... :P |
| 13:16.38 | jelly-home | note, I have no idea how kvm does networking and bridging and stuff |
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| 13:18.22 | neoice | personally, I think networking in Xen is easier. |
| 13:18.56 | thewanderer1 | I've never run Xen |
| 13:19.14 | thewanderer1 | but I guess that one would run into similar problems with VLANs :P |
| 13:19.22 | xingu | http://openvswitch.org/ :) |
| 13:19.30 | jelly-home | yeah well clicking in vSphere is easy but that's not what the user asked |
| 13:20.15 | jelly-home | konqueror renders http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-netdev/2009/8/5/6252044 in a rather weird way |
| 13:20.33 | thewanderer1 | same on Chromium |
| 13:20.52 | jelly-home | blame webkit then |
| 13:21.20 | thewanderer1 | yes, and KHTML :P |
| 13:21.23 | thewanderer1 | hmm, this OpenVSwitch be some neat stuff |
| 13:21.24 | jelly-home | same diff |
| 13:21.38 | kmonk | there IS an alternative to iceweasel for gecko, it's called midori |
| 13:22.24 | thewanderer1 | midori is unworkable at the moment it seems |
| 13:22.28 | thewanderer1 | but hmm... |
| 13:22.50 | jelly-home | opera's fit width works |
| 13:22.51 | thewanderer1 | OpenVSwitch seems to hook deep into the kernel, and this sounds rather suspicious |
| 13:23.20 | jelly-home | of course it hooks deep, you don't want userspace latencies do you |
| 13:23.45 | thewanderer1 | no |
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| 13:24.17 | thewanderer1 | but it kind of renders the whole idea of native bridging useless |
| 13:24.55 | thewanderer1 | when it sees something like "L3 switching" (what a dumb name for routing), it will fork into an OS of its own, it seems |
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| 13:25.51 | jelly-home | ooh, netflow |
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| 13:29.54 | jelly-home | Linux-CLI: are your users able to discern apt complains about local repo, not a remote one? |
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| 13:41.22 | asdasdasdadasd | hello guys |
| 13:41.51 | asdasdasdadasd | if i enter ifup eth0 then i get eth0 ERROR while getting interface flags: No suchs device |
| 13:41.58 | asdasdasdadasd | somebody anyadvice |
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| 13:42.03 | cast | what does ifconfig -a say? |
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| 13:42.20 | asdasdasdadasd | sec |
| 13:42.32 | asdasdasdadasd | lo loopback only. |
| 13:42.36 | asdasdasdadasd | 127.0.0.1 |
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| 13:43.10 | cast | well thats no good. presumably eth0 was visible at some point? change anything since? |
| 13:43.19 | asdasdasdadasd | i have removed the NIC |
| 13:43.21 | asdasdasdadasd | reboot |
| 13:43.26 | pbn | Oh no, bogus nicknames |
| 13:43.27 | asdasdasdadasd | add the NIC reboot. |
| 13:43.31 | asdasdasdadasd | thats all.. |
| 13:43.43 | asdasdasdadasd | i think the driver got fucked somewhere |
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| 13:44.11 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: lspci |
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| 13:44.43 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: if you can't see the ethernet controller, you're screwed (or the NIC is unscrewed :P ) |
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| 13:45.03 | pbn | perhaps do you need to force the DHCP client ? |
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| 13:45.15 | asdasdasdadasd | sorry i'm not a linux expert |
| 13:45.21 | asdasdasdadasd | can u tell me what i need to do for that? |
| 13:46.04 | pbn | well did you set up the machine as a static IP ? |
| 13:46.17 | asdasdasdadasd | nope i didnt |
| 13:46.24 | thewanderer1 | pbn: he can't see the interface in `ifconfig -a`, your questions are pointless |
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| 13:46.45 | pbn | thewanderer1: indeed. Sorry, I didn't see that. |
| 13:46.55 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: what does 'lspci' command output say? check it |
| 13:47.21 | pbn | yeah asdasdasdadasd do as thewanderer1 says... there might be something wicked |
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| 13:55.07 | asdasdasdadasd | okee sec |
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| 14:01.41 | guni | hi, i was wondering if anybudy knows if its pussbile to converte teh sendmail setting of the domain's to postfix |
| 14:02.00 | stew | guni: i'd ask #postfix |
| 14:02.20 | guni | just did no buddy home thare |
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| 14:04.00 | project2501a | is there a dhcpd how to? |
| 14:04.06 | project2501a | or is it just the man page? |
| 14:04.08 | project2501a | i'll read the man page. |
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| 14:04.27 | jarick | project2501a: I think /usr/share/doc/ has some examples. |
| 14:04.57 | asdasdasdadasd | it get alot more then |
| 14:05.05 | asdasdasdadasd | if i hit ifup eth0 |
| 14:05.08 | asdasdasdadasd | i get already configurated |
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| 14:06.47 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: it would mean that your interface is working, wouldn't it? |
| 14:06.53 | asdasdasdadasd | not not fully |
| 14:07.01 | asdasdasdadasd | i get camm assogm reqiest addres.. |
| 14:07.10 | guni | okey sorry , i was wondering if anybudy knows if its possbile to converte teh sendmail setting of the domain's to postfix |
| 14:07.11 | asdasdasdadasd | if i hit ifconfig i only see lo 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:07.15 | thewanderer1 | have you screwed the card properly? |
| 14:07.25 | asdasdasdadasd | dhcpoffer on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 |
| 14:07.27 | thewanderer1 | last time I had this problem, it was a loose PCI connector |
| 14:07.51 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: What EXACTLY is the output of `ifconfig -a` |
| 14:07.52 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: `ifconfig -a` shows you all interfaces |
| 14:08.16 | asdasdasdadasd | i see the interface |
| 14:08.19 | asdasdasdadasd | but it has not mac adrress.. |
| 14:08.24 | asdasdasdadasd | no hwardw address |
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| 14:08.48 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: TYPE the exact line that says that. |
| 14:09.36 | project2501a | jarick: thanks man, but it drives me crazy to copy and modify an example, when i do not even know what do the options do |
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| 14:10.03 | jarick | project2501a: The dhcpd.conf example config file is rather self-explanatory, IMO. |
| 14:10.18 | jarick | I don't have a install here to guide you with though. |
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| 14:11.16 | asdasdasdadasd | okee sec |
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| 14:14.12 | asdasdasdadasd | http://pastebin.com/SwW62N5L |
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| 14:15.18 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: What card is this? |
| 14:15.26 | jarick | Make and model please. |
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| 14:15.34 | asdasdasdadasd | k sec |
| 14:15.36 | jarick | You may have simply got a broken card. |
| 14:15.59 | asdasdasdadasd | i dont think so to be true:$ |
| 14:16.03 | asdasdasdadasd | bu i shall take a look |
| 14:16.09 | jarick | Evidence suggests it. |
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| 14:16.23 | jarick | The make and model please. If you can identify what chipset it is, that would be great. |
| 14:16.46 | asdasdasdadasd | ethernet controoelr realtek semiconductor co., ltd. rtl-8139/8139c/8139 c+ (rev10) |
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| 14:16.50 | asdasdasdadasd | this is what lspci shows |
| 14:17.07 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: Anything interesting in dmesg? |
| 14:17.18 | asdasdasdadasd | sec |
| 14:18.54 | asdasdasdadasd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:19.01 | asdasdasdadasd | i have that 4 times |
| 14:19.08 | thewanderer1 | what's a program to capture raw data from USB in Debian? my apt-cache search-fu skills are poor today |
| 14:19.37 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: what's your motherboard's manufacturer and chipset? |
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| 14:19.56 | asdasdasdadasd | its a pci card.. |
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| 14:20.09 | asdasdasdadasd | its a aopen board. |
| 14:20.18 | asdasdasdadasd | but it always worked.. |
| 14:20.27 | asdasdasdadasd | i'm pretty sure that if i reinstall my os it works |
| 14:20.30 | asdasdasdadasd | but that alot of work |
| 14:20.34 | asdasdasdadasd | and then my data is lost |
| 14:20.42 | s5s | How can I compile against kernel headers in Debian. I've been a user of Debian for years. At work they make me use Ubuntu and there I just downloaded the kernel headers, unpacked them with dpkg -x and then did make KDIR=<headers dir> and it worked |
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| 14:21.08 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: this is not Windows, a system reinstall is not going to help :P |
| 14:21.14 | jarick | thewanderer1: The svn version of wireshark can get dumps. |
| 14:21.18 | jarick | Of usb |
| 14:21.28 | asdasdasdadasd | thewanderer1 i know |
| 14:21.30 | thewanderer1 | jarick: neat. how about a more compact, scriptable tool? |
| 14:21.36 | asdasdasdadasd | but this happens some times erliere |
| 14:21.43 | else | hi everyone, i am trying to install debian testing with the netinst image, however, it seems that DHCP autoconfiguration fails. my ethernet card is not configured at all. |
| 14:21.43 | s5s | thewanderer1: tshark? |
| 14:21.50 | jarick | thewanderer1: I dunno, I use a lecroy scope. :D |
| 14:21.53 | asdasdasdadasd | it happens erlyer.. |
| 14:22.01 | asdasdasdadasd | earylyer i dont know how to write it |
| 14:22.03 | s5s | thewanderer1: it's the same as wireshark but it's a command line tool |
| 14:22.05 | asdasdasdadasd | but it happend before.. |
| 14:22.14 | asdasdasdadasd | when i reinstalled the problem was gone |
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| 14:22.37 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: install `debsums` package |
| 14:22.38 | jarick | thewanderer1: Really, what do you want to do? |
| 14:22.54 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
| 14:22.54 | jarick | New device that you want to write a driver for? |
| 14:22.59 | thewanderer1 | jarick: some guy was asking about supporting a non-standard HID device that uses proprietary message format for some buttons |
| 14:23.30 | jarick | thewanderer1: usbmon? I'm not sure if it's in debian's kernel though. |
| 14:23.32 | thewanderer1 | and it is probably easier to capture button presses in userspace for just 1 button than to come up with a complete driver for a 99%-HID-compatible device |
| 14:23.56 | jarick | thewanderer1: modprobe usbmon; mount -t debugfs none_debugs /sys/kernel/debug |
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| 14:24.15 | jarick | thewanderer1: Then look in /sys/kernel/debug/usbmon/ |
| 14:24.34 | thewanderer1 | hm, neat |
| 14:25.01 | jarick | thewanderer1: It works? |
| 14:25.07 | jarick | I've not tried it myself. |
| 14:25.17 | jarick | hugs his Windows-based scope. |
| 14:25.26 | thewanderer1 | I don't know, but I can see the directory |
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| 14:25.46 | jarick | thewanderer1: What's in it? |
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| 14:25.59 | jarick | There should be some files corresponding to devices that you can cat from |
| 14:26.15 | asdasdasdadasd | so what can i do now? |
| 14:26.21 | jarick | thewanderer1: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/usb/usbmon.txt |
| 14:26.31 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
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| 14:27.46 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: You claim it worked before. Define "work" |
| 14:27.48 | Raptors | How come "at" wont launch applications like chromium or vlc? |
| 14:27.52 | SineDeviance | i have a usb HDD with NTFS on it. when i try to mount it in nautilus with my regular user, i get this message -> "Error opening '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied." I also have an internal drive with an NTFS partition; that one mounts just fine. anybody know why? |
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| 14:28.24 | Raptors | I tried both and it failed, it worked when I use the command in the shell so its defiantly not a prob with what I wrote. |
| 14:28.24 | thewanderer1 | hm, got a log out of it - nice! |
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| 14:29.47 | robuster | hello, does the debian live iso come with a installer? |
| 14:29.54 | robuster | or is it a pre-installed os? |
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| 14:30.04 | thewanderer1 | robuster: the live ISO does not contain an installer |
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| 14:30.41 | robuster | ok |
| 14:30.48 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: 'at' is a daemon and it does not inherit your desktop's variables like DISPLAY or so |
| 14:30.49 | moldovean | thewanderer1, wrong |
| 14:30.56 | moldovean | !live |
| 14:30.56 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
| 14:30.57 | thewanderer1 | moldovean: wait, it does? |
| 14:31.08 | thewanderer1 | hm nice, thanks, I didn't know |
| 14:31.15 | moldovean | np |
| 14:31.31 | Raptors | thewanderer1, "notify-send" works fine though it... |
| 14:31.37 | robuster | is there any smaller debians? i just need some os for my vmware and it download 31 * 650mb iso's seems just a bit too much |
| 14:31.51 | jacekowski | ekhm |
| 14:31.53 | jacekowski | yes |
| 14:31.55 | jacekowski | minimal cd |
| 14:31.55 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: probably because it uses some kind of a global socket or anything |
| 14:31.58 | jacekowski | 200M or less |
| 14:32.15 | jarick | !tell robuster about netinstall |
| 14:32.21 | asdasdasdadasd | i could piung |
| 14:32.22 | asdasdasdadasd | ping |
| 14:32.26 | asdasdasdadasd | it had a ip adres |
| 14:32.30 | jacekowski | robuster: why you don't want to use esxi? |
| 14:32.31 | Raptors | thewanderer1, :/ How do I get it to launch chromium or VLC? |
| 14:32.33 | robuster | thanks jarick that is what i'm looking for |
| 14:32.37 | asdasdasdadasd | i could log in with ssh etc |
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| 14:32.44 | asdasdasdadasd | that is how i define work |
| 14:32.47 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: And a mac address? What did you do that changed the system to not working? |
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| 14:32.56 | jarick | What was the last series of actions? |
| 14:32.58 | jaggz | does anyone know why my fonts are doing this when ssh'ed to a linux box? http://gyazo.com/c5b6bc829c377859bb3ab321b9d228dc.png |
| 14:33.15 | jaggz | some utf8 thing.. it might be windows side .. but I don't know what to do. |
| 14:33.23 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: in short, you can not |
| 14:33.30 | moldovean | robuster, i386 ? |
| 14:33.38 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: the full answer is: you can hack it with a script or you can use your own queue daemon |
| 14:33.59 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: writing a queue daemon is a 1-hour job in PHP or your language of choice except Assembler |
| 14:34.14 | jacekowski | why? |
| 14:34.20 | robuster | moldovean i'm downloading i386 yes, should i choose something else? |
| 14:34.29 | jacekowski | what's wrong with asm? |
| 14:34.33 | moldovean | mini.iso 15-Aug-2010 10:04 9.2M ;http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/ |
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| 14:34.43 | moldovean | robuster, ^^ |
| 14:34.43 | thewanderer1 | jacekowski: with asm it's gonna take 1h15min, just saying :P |
| 14:35.09 | thewanderer1 | moldovean: you actually directed him to netboot, not netinst |
| 14:35.19 | robuster | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:35.36 | robuster | im downloading this one, would 30gb be sufficient of disk space? |
| 14:35.57 | moldovean | robuster, 4-5 gb is ok |
| 14:36.10 | asdasdasdadasd | i removed the NIC |
| 14:36.12 | moldovean | includeing X |
| 14:36.13 | robuster | ok thanks |
| 14:36.14 | asdasdasdadasd | and place it in again |
| 14:36.15 | asdasdasdadasd | thats all |
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| 14:36.44 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: It could be that the NIC is not properly seated. |
| 14:36.48 | asdasdasdadasd | i have placed the NIC in another slot |
| 14:36.54 | asdasdasdadasd | now i have a hardware adres |
| 14:36.59 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: That will explain the output of dmesg |
| 14:36.59 | asdasdasdadasd | and its eth1 instad eth0 |
| 14:37.19 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: That's fine. It means the hardware is working now. |
| 14:37.49 | asdasdasdadasd | yeah |
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| 14:38.14 | moldovean | thewanderer1, netboot works well , i used it in vbox w/o issues |
| 14:38.20 | jarick | !tell asdasdasdadasd about 70 |
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| 14:38.42 | robuster | what LVM for? |
| 14:38.48 | hovoron | hello. when logging into my debian user account by using ssh the .bash_profile is automatically executed. but when logging in as someone other and su to that account the .bash_profile is not executed. where should I put in things that are then also executed? |
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| 14:39.03 | moldovean | robuster, /msg dpkg lvm |
| 14:39.22 | jarick | hovoron: You should use "su -" or "su -l" instead to get a login shell |
| 14:39.33 | jarick | Err, a login environment, technically. |
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| 14:40.07 | thewanderer1 | hovoron: the lazy way is to symlink .bash_profile to .bashrc and use .bashrc only :P |
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| 14:41.43 | hovoron | thewanderer1: and that executes it automatically also when using just "su" |
| 14:41.46 | hovoron | ? |
| 14:42.12 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 14:43.22 | asdasdasdadasd | i have done udevadm trigger eth1 |
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| 14:43.30 | asdasdasdadasd | but what should be the result? |
| 14:45.59 | asdasdasdadasd | ? |
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| 14:47.30 | jarick | asdasdasdadasd: Please reread the factoid. You will need to edit the relevant file first. |
| 14:47.46 | hovoron_ | thewanderer1: indeed ... that works. can you shortly explain to me why. why does .bash_profile is not getting executed after an su, but the symlink is? |
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| 14:48.53 | thewanderer1 | hovoron_: su without any arguments starts a "non-login shell" which executes .bashrc by default |
| 14:49.09 | thewanderer1 | while "su -" and "login" execute .profile or .bash_profile |
| 14:49.28 | thewanderer1 | so when you symlink the two together, you basically get the same contents in both |
| 14:49.35 | thewanderer1 | you could actually use a hardlink here |
| 14:49.36 | martianlobster | how do I shutdown the X server? |
| 14:49.51 | thewanderer1 | martianlobster: /etc/init.d/*dm stop |
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| 14:50.01 | martianlobster | thewanderer1: thans |
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| 14:50.21 | hovoron_ | thewanderer1: also a big thanks from me |
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| 15:04.02 | asdasdasdadasd | what do i need to mobidy in that file? |
| 15:04.20 | asdasdasdadasd | in this file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? |
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| 15:06.44 | asdasdasdadasd | ? |
| 15:07.07 | asdasdasdadasd | jarick? |
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| 15:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | project2501a, sorry, I'm out |
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| 15:17.20 | cahoot | asdasdasdadasd: remove the file and run udevadm trigger |
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| 15:22.13 | asdasdasdadasd | okee |
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| 15:25.25 | marshallmc1 | anyone familiar with ispconfig3? |
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| 15:33.57 | JyZyXEL | when do udev rules take affect in debina? |
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| 15:35.23 | dvs | JyZyXEL, you can look in the /etc/init.d directory |
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| 15:35.48 | JyZyXEL | oh /etc/init.d/udev restart |
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| 15:36.22 | dvs | JyZyXEL, that'll work |
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| 15:37.17 | JyZyXEL | why isn't there tools like udevtrigger, udecontrol, udevtest in debian |
| 15:38.38 | JyZyXEL | oic they been replaced by udevadm |
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| 15:41.29 | thewanderer1 | err, does #virt channel have a special meaning or what? I type /join #virt and nothing happens O.o |
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| 15:42.38 | petemc | check your status window |
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| 15:47.43 | Darkclaw66 | quick postfix question, how can I whitelist a mail server because their mail server forward/reverse dns doesn't match? |
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| 15:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | How do I submit a bug report to request that the video player requirement of kde/kdeaddons be satisfied by other players like vlc or mplayer instead of noatun? |
| 15:50.50 | fxiny | a whishlist bugreport ? |
| 15:51.02 | jhutchins_lt | Darkclaw66: Turn off rdns - it's a waste of bandwidth and doesn't return useful info. |
| 15:51.10 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: Maybe. |
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| 15:51.36 | petemc | reverse dns is a waste of bandwidth? |
| 15:51.41 | Darkclaw66 | well no its not that... |
| 15:51.50 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Yes, it is. |
| 15:51.54 | petemc | no, it not |
| 15:52.02 | petemc | +s |
| 15:52.03 | fxiny | i sometimes use pdnsrecursor and i'm quite happy |
| 15:52.18 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: The primary DNS entry for many legitimate mail servers doesn't match the many domains they send for. |
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| 15:52.29 | fxiny | my isp can't get my browsing dns requests ;) |
| 15:52.47 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: this is true, i dont see your point tho |
| 15:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Using rdns as an absolute block puts you on the "stupid incompetent mail admins" list. |
| 15:53.11 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: You can use it for scoring if you really think it's useful, but blocking based on it is unprofessional. |
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| 15:53.41 | petemc | this is different than saying it doesnt return useful info and is a waste of bandwidth |
| 15:53.54 | jhutchins_lt | Many DNS servers can't return multiple rdns entries, many mail programs do not respond correctly to a mutiple domain replly. |
| 15:53.58 | amanita_ | Hi, any good manual for a pygtk/glade beginner? |
| 15:54.08 | fxiny | info are always useful |
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| 15:54.46 | jhutchins_lt | The chances of a mismatch due to reasons other than an illegitmate server are greater than the chance of a legitimate match; signal-to-noise is too low to be worth the traffic. |
| 15:55.48 | petemc | ptr records can be useful, and are sometimes essential |
| 15:55.57 | marshallmc1 | why can't your isp get your browsing dns requests? |
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| 15:56.11 | jhutchins_lt | I've had to contend to some significant servers in this area being managed by idiots who read somewhere that rdns will stop spam. Large ISP's fail their rdns test and major mail backlashes result. |
| 15:56.15 | Darkclaw66 | well my problem is not exactly that |
| 15:56.25 | fxiny | marshallmc1: try and see ;) |
| 15:56.39 | Darkclaw66 | its just one mail server that doesnt go through because its server forward/reserve dns doesn't match |
| 15:56.42 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: perfect dns administration is as rare as perfect mail administration. |
| 15:56.56 | marshallmc1 | if you are sending dns request through their network they could see them |
| 15:57.01 | petemc | that doesnt qualify statements such as "turn off rdns" |
| 15:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Often the dns administrator doesn't have a clue about how it works, they just click some windows app, and often they aren't even associated with whatever organization is runnign the mailserver. |
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| 15:57.43 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: you're not going to convince me so dont waste your time |
| 15:57.53 | jhutchins_lt | One more broken system, check. |
| 15:58.09 | fxiny | marshallmc1: i bet they just collect dns logs |
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| 15:58.26 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Someone's gonna run an rfc scan on your domain and you'll end up blacklisted as non-compliant. |
| 15:58.43 | petemc | wtf are you talking about? |
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| 15:59.23 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: If you block legitimate mail for your domain you get blacklisted as non-rfc compliant. It's an effort to have a working global internet mail system without servers that block legitimate mail. |
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| 15:59.56 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: If you don't meet email rfc standards, you get blacklisted. |
| 15:59.59 | petemc | i dont reject for lack of ptr records, im just pointing out how silly what you say is |
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| 16:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't dmix get obsolete? I just noted I can't use audacity on the alsa sound device if something else used it...not the freshest alsa, though... it's that of the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 16:00.25 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Except it's not, it's an email standard. |
| 16:00.59 | wildc4rd | afternoon all! |
| 16:01.56 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: ptr records have their uses, and thats the entirety of my point |
| 16:02.14 | cahoot | CutMeOwnThroat: rather the opposite ie dmix enabled by default |
| 16:03.11 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: We're not talking about ptr records, we're talking about blocking mail due to failed rdns, and whether rdns is even useful. |
| 16:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, well, that's what I meant... I meant having to do your own dmix stuff in .alsarc etc. all that should be a thing of the past |
| 16:03.47 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: do you know what a ptr record is? |
| 16:03.50 | jhutchins_lt | This is why we don't need to make email servers any easiser to set up and run, so people who know nothing about the standards can't just set one up with a point and a click. |
| 16:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then 2.6.26 isn't so extremely new... |
| 16:04.21 | cahoot | CutMeOwnThroat: as I understand it the problem is some apps misbehave wrt alsa |
| 16:04.56 | o2T7 | But DNS is not mail serving. If the problem is rdns, then it has nothing to do with the mail server installation. |
| 16:05.21 | jhutchins_lt | o2T7: The problem is when admins use rdns failure as a reason to block mail. |
| 16:05.51 | o2T7 | They could block other services as well. |
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| 16:06.21 | jhutchins_lt | o2T7: Yes, but I work with standards bodies who try to make sure that mail is universally functional. |
| 16:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | o2T7: Servers that arbitrarily block legitimate mail create a problem for the network as a whole. |
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| 16:07.18 | marshallmc1 | anyone ever get a bt878 video capture card to stream through apache? |
| 16:07.25 | jhutchins_lt | o2T7: You have to ballance legitimate blocking systems against the assumption that if I send an email to a legitimate address it'll go through. |
| 16:07.48 | marshallmc1 | email is an awful system |
| 16:08.02 | metalfoo | Yes, let's switch over to Google Wave. |
| 16:08.05 | metalfoo | Oh now. Hold on |
| 16:08.09 | metalfoo | -w |
| 16:08.39 | o2T7 | jhutchins_lt: I'm just saying that those standards bodies are trying to have an influence on DNS systems, which are not mail system. Kinda out of their jurisdiction. |
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| 16:08.48 | jhutchins_lt | marshallmc1: Given how it evolved it's a wonder that it works at all - especialy as we have a constant supply of uneducated admins who click on "Install Email Server" and think that's all there is to it. |
| 16:09.17 | jhutchins_lt | o2T7: That's the problem, email needs to survive disfunctional dns administration. |
| 16:09.50 | marshallmc1 | lol i agree jhutchins, it is a testament to its durability |
| 16:09.54 | robuster | how can i use GTK themes? |
| 16:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, guess I can add the .asoundrc I used to have and see if that helps |
| 16:10.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | although .... will need some rewriting |
| 16:10.24 | fxiny | is this unwanted legitimate mail killing deadly to spam ? |
| 16:11.05 | metalfoo | jhutchins_lt: Well, in fact that's not the only problem for the Internet, since everyone is supposed to run its own Linux box noawadays on a given trashy rented server with big bandwith. |
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| 16:13.02 | marshallmc1 | its a cesspool, the internet |
| 16:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmh, don't understand that asoundrc anymore :( |
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| 16:18.41 | marshallmc1 | bttv |
| 16:18.50 | marshallmc1 | anyone know anything about tv 4 linux |
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| 16:19.48 | superlinux | hi. I'd love someone fix this line for me . i have AMD64 system : LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/bash -c 'LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype'libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype |
| 16:20.02 | thewanderer1 | marshallmc1: bt848 is cool |
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| 16:20.46 | marshallmc1 | i have bt878 |
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| 16:21.00 | marshallmc1 | just wondering what is involved with getting it to stream to a web interface |
| 16:21.22 | marshallmc1 | ive read that a lot of the programs do not "tune" the tuner |
| 16:21.43 | thewanderer1 | marshallmc1: tune it first using xawtv, then leave it tuned, fire up VLC and stream it |
| 16:22.01 | thewanderer1 | other than that, there _might_ be a way to tune in VLC, but I haven't succeeded in it |
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| 16:27.31 | xover | how can i allow ftp access for a user and not ssh? |
| 16:28.07 | thewanderer1 | xover: man sshd_config |
| 16:28.18 | rudi_s | !ftp must die |
| 16:28.18 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 16:28.33 | thewanderer1 | so true |
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| 16:29.43 | rudi_s | xover: If possible use ssh and provide access per sftp (similar to ftp, but uses ssh to securely tunnel the data). You can prevent logins and only sftp access. |
| 16:30.50 | afief | is there a way to find out from which repository a package comes? |
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| 16:32.25 | rudi_s | afief: AFAIK not really. There is a command I can't remember to get where a package is available. But I think it isn't tracked from where the package was installed. |
| 16:32.36 | thewanderer1 | afief: apt-cache policy will tell you from which suite the package comes |
| 16:32.48 | thewanderer1 | and which mirror |
| 16:33.52 | xover | im getting failed password for invalid user when trying to ssh into the box |
| 16:33.55 | xover | why is that? |
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| 16:34.28 | rudi_s | xover: To prevent user enumeration. So you don't know if a user account exists or the password was wrong. |
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| 16:35.39 | WickedWayz | hello deb users |
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| 16:36.19 | rudi_s | Hi. |
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| 16:36.29 | fxiny | hmmm |
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| 16:36.59 | fxiny | are they back ? i remember .... |
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| 16:38.24 | xover | rudi_s, i created a new user and cannot login using ssh |
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| 16:38.29 | xover | what needs to be configured |
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| 16:39.00 | fxiny | is ssh installed ? |
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| 16:39.07 | rudi_s | xover: Password/Keylogin? If keylogin check permissions. Check sshd_config if the user is allowed/denied. Check sshs log in /var/log/auth |
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| 16:40.12 | xover | it says failed password for invalid user |
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| 16:40.40 | s5s | how can I check the version of the radeon module in debian when it's provided by a package which provides a lot of other modules as well |
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| 16:40.48 | fxiny | oh second generation , smarta* echoing ... |
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| 16:40.56 | rudi_s | xover: Wrong password? Wrong user? |
| 16:40.57 | fxiny | heheeh |
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| 16:41.42 | xover | there are valuid |
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| 16:41.56 | xover | localhost not allowed because not listed in AllowUsers |
| 16:42.03 | xover | i havent specified allowusers |
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| 16:42.37 | rudi_s | xover: localhost sounds like a host name .. sure? Check your sshd_config in /etc/ssh/ |
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| 16:43.48 | fxiny | sleeping ops :P |
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| 16:43.59 | xover | i am not in the allowedusers group and i can login why? |
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| 16:45.01 | rudi_s | xover: allowedusers only manages users, not groups. Check man sshd_config |
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| 16:46.53 | xover | its because i had a public key enabled |
| 16:46.55 | xover | lol |
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| 16:47.17 | xover | but i dont want the user to be even prompted for the ssh password if im using ftp for them |
| 16:47.27 | rudi_s | xover: keys? |
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| 16:47.45 | xover | ok so the situation is that i want these ftp users to not be able to even see the ssh login |
| 16:47.48 | xover | how can i do that? |
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| 16:47.57 | rudi_s | No, that can't be. If there is a allowedusers section and you're not in it you can't login by any method. |
| 16:48.02 | Astyan | hi |
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| 16:48.29 | rudi_s | xover: They should use sftp (or a similar program) to use the server. |
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| 16:48.34 | Astyan | can somebody help me installing something ? i dont understand very well backport repository etc |
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| 16:48.39 | rudi_s | Of course they have to login or you could just provide a http server. |
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| 16:48.50 | rudi_s | !tell Astyan about backports |
| 16:48.53 | xover | rudi_s, so i cannot do it with vsftpd? |
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| 16:49.22 | Astyan | rudi_s: yes i know that ... |
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| 16:49.56 | rudi_s | Astyan: What exactly is your problem? |
| 16:50.02 | Astyan | but for example .. i am on debian lenny, i want mono 2.6... (a version 2.something anyway not very old) so i use backport to get it.. |
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| 16:50.26 | Astyan | so i use backport-lenny to get mono 2.4 (not 2.6 but it's better than 1.9.1 anyway ) |
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| 16:50.43 | rudi_s | xover: That has nothing to do with ssh, I'm sure it can do anonymous logins .. but IMHO is that a bad idea. |
| 16:50.44 | Astyan | my problem is : i cannot install mod_mono in apache now .. aptitude does not find it |
| 16:50.56 | Astyan | (of course i tried to install it with backport too) |
| 16:51.08 | Astyan | should i compile it myself ? |
| 16:51.51 | rudi_s | Astyan: I have it both here, libapache2-mod-mono in backports. |
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| 16:52.24 | jelly-home | ,versions libapache2-mod-mono |
| 16:52.25 | judd | libapache2-mod-mono -- etch: 1.2.1-1; etch-backports: 1.9-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.9-1; lenny-backports: 2.4.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.4.3-1.1; squeeze: 2.4.3-1.1; experimental: 2.6.3-2 |
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| 16:52.55 | jelly-home | Astyan: right, it seems you ought to be able to install 2.4.2-1~bpo50+1 from lenny-backports |
| 16:53.29 | jelly-home | Astyan: what happens when you do that? If it fails, pastebin the exact command and its complete output. |
| 16:53.29 | Astyan | that's 2.4.2 .. |
| 16:53.34 | Astyan | i am installing mod_mono right now |
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| 16:53.42 | asdasdasdadasd | hello guys. i wanne use iptables for a firewall on my debian machine can somebody help me with that? |
| 16:54.00 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: if you don't know how to configure iptables, install ufw |
| 16:54.31 | Astyan | ok it's should be ok :) |
| 16:54.33 | Astyan | *it |
| 16:54.38 | asdasdasdadasd | i always use iptables for linux gateway |
| 16:54.47 | asdasdasdadasd | i know how that works |
| 16:54.59 | jelly-home | !tell asdasdasdadasd about iptables |
| 16:55.01 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: alright, so what doesn't work on Debian? |
| 16:55.02 | asdasdasdadasd | but not if i want it for just a simple firewall |
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| 16:55.10 | rudi_s | ;-) |
| 16:55.23 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: well, you should start from the basics, not from the top |
| 16:55.44 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: ufw isn't present in debian 5. |
| 16:55.49 | asdasdasdadasd | it does work fine i was only asking for a push in the good direction for a basic firewall |
| 16:55.50 | thewanderer1 | ah, okay |
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| 16:56.18 | asdasdasdadasd | just a bit of a sample script. |
| 16:56.32 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: a random web search will yield more than you need |
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| 16:56.38 | Astyan | Ok it works \o/ thanks |
| 16:56.42 | jhutchins_lt | asdasdasdadasd: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 16:56.47 | Astyan | 2.4.2.3 |
| 16:57.08 | jhutchins_lt | asdasdasdadasd: Includes good basic rules for a firewall and for passing various protocols. |
| 16:57.20 | thewanderer1 | asdasdasdadasd: other than that, you can install `ipmasq` package in Debian without activating it, and see what rules it would apply if it was active |
| 16:57.42 | asdasdasdadasd | okee |
| 16:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Have you ever actually worked with iptables rules? |
| 16:57.53 | asdasdasdadasd | yeah |
| 16:57.57 | thewanderer1 | yes, I have |
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| 16:58.24 | Astyan | trying to instal iFolder now .. |
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| 17:00.33 | thewanderer1 | can I use 802.1Q VLANs on a bridge interface? |
| 17:01.36 | jacekowski | yes |
| 17:01.52 | thewanderer1 | I specifically mean sth like this: vconfig add br0 20 |
| 17:02.01 | jacekowski | yes |
| 17:02.06 | thewanderer1 | alright, thank you |
| 17:02.10 | jacekowski | well, i'm not sure |
| 17:02.16 | jacekowski | thing is |
| 17:02.20 | robuster | i managed to delete the standard panel with the "Applications" "System" etc, is there a way to restore it? |
| 17:02.22 | jacekowski | that iirc one way works and one doesnt' |
| 17:02.36 | thewanderer1 | "one way" like what? |
| 17:02.37 | jacekowski | i'm not sure if you have to create vlans first and then bridge |
| 17:02.44 | jacekowski | or first bridge and then vlans |
| 17:02.47 | thewanderer1 | well |
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| 17:04.07 | thewanderer1 | this is kind of crucial here, because I need to set up VLANs inside an OpenVZ container, and if I just bridge eth0 with veth121 device, Linux will 'catch' tagged frames at eth0.20 instead of forwarding them to veth121 where they could be decapsulated |
| 17:04.42 | thewanderer1 | at least that's what was happening to me with KVM, although it uses different network virtualization methods |
| 17:05.17 | jacekowski | well, presenting tagged vlans directly to guests isn't good idea anyways |
| 17:05.22 | jelly-home | eth0.20 should be all untagged already... but go ask in ##networking |
| 17:05.24 | jacekowski | it should be untagged by host |
| 17:05.39 | jacekowski | yes eth0.20 should be untagged |
| 17:05.57 | thewanderer1 | I know that eth0.20 is untagged |
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| 17:06.05 | thewanderer1 | but I need to put my guest system in many VLANs |
| 17:06.24 | thewanderer1 | so what, a bridge with eth0.* devices? |
| 17:06.28 | jacekowski | then create multiple interfaces for it |
| 17:06.29 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: like I suggested before, use multiple interfaces instead of trying to give the guest access to trunk |
| 17:06.47 | thewanderer1 | alright... |
| 17:07.00 | lppe | is it possible via ssh directly upload files on a server? |
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| 17:07.09 | thewanderer1 | needs to inspect the internals of Linux networking more |
| 17:07.12 | jacekowski | lppe: yes |
| 17:07.25 | lppe | how? |
| 17:07.31 | jacekowski | scp |
| 17:07.32 | jelly-home | lppe: there's sftp and scp protocols and commands for that. |
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| 17:08.56 | jelly-home | lppe: which OS do you have on the ssh client? I'm assuming debian is the ssh server. |
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| 17:11.13 | lppe | android |
| 17:11.34 | jelly-home | find a sftp or scp capable file transfer app |
| 17:11.47 | lppe | ok |
| 17:13.34 | jelly-home | there's a rather large #android channel on this network |
| 17:13.43 | thewanderer1 | lppe: hint: AndFTP supports SFTP |
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| 17:18.33 | thewanderer1 | if I do sth like this: eth0.* (multiple VLANs) inside 1 bridge br0, this bridge also contains a veth interface - a virtual interface used by OpenVZ container, and in that container, I just set lots of IP aliases on the veth, should it work (assuming that veth implements all functions of an ethernet device on Linux), and does it have any security holes? |
| 17:19.26 | thewanderer1 | I don't have real VLAN separation that way do I? :P |
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| 17:26.17 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you've just connected multiple vlans with a bridge. What would you call a "security hole"? |
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| 17:27.03 | jelly-home | you were already told what to do multiple times, create a separate bridge for each vlan. |
| 17:27.22 | s5s | I think I found a horrible bug |
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| 17:27.37 | marshallmc | how do i stream my tv tuner card with vlc |
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| 17:28.47 | s5s | Is there a reason I need to blacklist the radeon driver in order to have it available and to load properly? |
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| 17:32.32 | s5s | anyone? |
| 17:32.45 | Sia- | is possible connecting to irssi client via SSH and minimaze it and exit the SSH connection without quit the irssi? |
| 17:33.14 | Sia- | s5s, blacklist? |
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| 17:34.20 | cahoot | Sia-: look at 'screen' |
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| 17:34.39 | Sia- | which screen cahoot ? |
| 17:34.55 | cahoot | Sia-: aptitude show screen |
| 17:35.06 | jelly-home | !tell Sia- about screen |
| 17:36.19 | Sia- | nice thnx i've used nohup before |
| 17:37.42 | rue_mohr | I just took a new machine, isntalled stable, and tried to dist-upgrade it to testing, the udev package is broken |
| 17:38.25 | rue_mohr | which I removed, and took the kernel with it, the new kernel image did not install with grub |
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| 17:38.37 | rue_mohr | so I'm installing stable again... |
| 17:38.40 | s5s | is there a tool to auto mount if not using gnome? usbmount? |
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| 17:42.07 | erwinpdev3 | Hi, does the current stable release of debian (5.0) use some sort of non executable stack by default? |
| 17:42.52 | erwinpdev3 | I've installed 32 bits debian in Vmware workstation and disabled the NX bit for the cpu, bit I still don't have an executabel stack |
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| 17:43.18 | thewanderer1 | erwinpdev3: then Linux is emulating NX bit at a performance price |
| 17:44.08 | erwinpdev3 | thewanderer1: Any way to disable this? |
| 17:44.23 | thewanderer1 | erwinpdev3: recompile the kernel, I think... |
| 17:45.11 | erwinpdev3 | thewanderer1: Are you sure about Debian supporting NX out of the box on a 32 bit x86 install? |
| 17:46.03 | erwinpdev3 | thewanderer1: I googled a bit and it seems you need PAE for that on 32 bit, and that something the bigmem kernels only support, as far as I know |
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| 17:46.41 | thewanderer1 | I am not sure about this |
| 17:46.53 | rozie | rue_mohr: udev is not broken. it just requires newer kernel IIRC |
| 17:47.06 | thewanderer1 | Wikipedia says: For systems that lack NX hardware, the 32-bit kernels now provide an approximation of the NX CPU feature via software emulation that can help block many exploits an attacker might run from stack or heap memory. |
| 17:50.30 | thewanderer1 | erwinpdev3: if you want to play around with exploits, try Damn Vulnerable Linux - Debian is not designed to be vulnerable out of the box... |
| 17:50.40 | thewanderer1 | everyone wants out-of-the-box functionality these days, heh |
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| 17:51.44 | tonytraductor | when I stick an sdcard into the card reader, it doesn't mount. It used to do that, automatically. fdisk -l doesn't show the card, even. (but the green light on the builtin card reader comes on, so, apparently the hardware sees it). |
| 17:51.55 | tonytraductor | this is on lenny |
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| 17:52.12 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: suspend, resume, check. |
| 17:52.27 | tonytraductor | do mean reboot? |
| 17:52.30 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 17:52.35 | thewanderer1 | are you on a laptop? |
| 17:52.37 | tonytraductor | no |
| 17:52.43 | tonytraductor | this is on a desktop machine, lenny |
| 17:52.50 | thewanderer1 | does your machine have ACPI suspend functionality? |
| 17:53.04 | tonytraductor | I don't know, but I doubt it |
| 17:53.26 | tonytraductor | how would I determine if it did? |
| 17:53.44 | thewanderer1 | if you enter the Shutdown menu (in GNOME, but the option was in KDE the last time I checked, too) you should see a Suspend option |
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| 17:53.52 | thewanderer1 | if it's not there, you can try Hibernate |
| 17:53.54 | tonytraductor | oh no... no gnome on here, sorry |
| 17:54.02 | thewanderer1 | if it works after that, you hit the same bug as I do :P |
| 17:54.05 | thewanderer1 | XFCE works too |
| 17:54.06 | tonytraductor | I use wmii, openbox, or xfce |
| 17:54.19 | tonytraductor | at the moment I'm in xfce (openbox is my preferred) |
| 17:54.32 | tonytraductor | I thought maybe thunar would automount it so logged into xfce for the first time in months |
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| 17:54.51 | thewanderer1 | does dmesg say anything interesting? |
| 17:54.56 | tonytraductor | nope, just logout, restart, shutdown |
| 17:55.20 | thewanderer1 | okay, dmesg should give you error messages about not being able to initialize the card |
| 17:55.34 | tonytraductor | I do see "[2225283.229810] sd 92:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk" |
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| 17:55.53 | tonytraductor | hmmm...sde...I tried sdb, sdc, sdd, sdb1, blah blah blah...didn't try sde |
| 17:55.54 | tonytraductor | doh |
| 17:55.54 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: does `cat /proc/partitions` list it? |
| 17:55.58 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 17:56.10 | thewanderer1 | well, I thought you were hitting a bug... :P |
| 17:56.36 | tonytraductor | no, neither cat /proc/partitions nor fdisk -l list it, but that IS the sdcard mentioned in dmesg, no? |
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| 17:56.43 | thewanderer1 | yes, it is |
| 17:56.51 | thewanderer1 | you should be able to mount the block device |
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| 17:56.55 | tonytraductor | lemme try mount /dev/sde /media/sdcard and see what happens |
| 17:56.57 | erwinpdev3 | thewanderer1: Fixed it on a per executable basis with this info: http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2009/07/disabling-the-nx-bit-for-specific-apps/ |
| 17:57.16 | phorce1_home | anybody know the correct format for a debmirror entry for volatile? (toi mirror onto the usb drive I carry from location to location). Everything I try ends up not finding the files on the remote end |
| 17:57.22 | tonytraductor | says "no media found" |
| 17:57.32 | erwinpdev3 | thewanderer1: Thanks btw, I was under the impresion that 32 bit Linux didn't enable the nx bit |
| 17:57.33 | thewanderer1 | erwinpdev3: yes, "fixed" as in "broke" :P |
| 17:57.41 | rue_mohr | rozie, and why wouldn't it isntall the new kernel then? |
| 17:57.52 | rue_mohr | rozie, maybe if I try a kernel upgrade first? |
| 17:57.58 | erwinpdev3 | thewanderer1: It fixed it, for what I wanna do with it ;) |
| 17:58.13 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: hm, try popping the card and inserting it again |
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| 17:58.34 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: it usually worked for me on my Acer Extensa laptop, just had to do it 30-40 times |
| 17:58.40 | thewanderer1 | (no, not very fast...) |
| 17:59.14 | robuster | "The panel could not register with the bonobo-activation server (error code: 3) and will exit." |
| 17:59.20 | tonytraductor | I did, popout/reinsert. no change in dmesg, either, oddly |
| 17:59.32 | robuster | and now i have no panels or anything, what should i do? is there a way to enter terminal ? |
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| 17:59.44 | thewanderer1 | robuster: alt+f2 ? |
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| 18:00.05 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: then you will have to do some research and ask Uncle G. if he knows about this particular card reader under Linux |
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| 18:00.23 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: it sometimes worked for me after a suspend/resume or a reboot |
| 18:00.42 | tonytraductor | I'm never sure where these things are in /dev |
| 18:00.53 | robuster | thewanderer1 doesnt work |
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| 18:01.02 | tonytraductor | I swear, this card used to show up in /dev/sdb |
| 18:01.28 | facet | hi guys, was wondering how i could increase volume of audible warning beep sound for my irssi client? |
| 18:01.29 | thewanderer1 | robuster: then switch to console (Ctrl+Alt+F1), log in as your current user, `export DISPLAY=:0` and run whatever programs you need |
| 18:01.49 | tonytraductor | yeah, reboot fixed this same issue a few weeks ago, but some hardware issue made reboot difficult (tried 11 times before the machine came back up), so I'm a little reluctant to reboot (since my livelihood depends on this machine) |
| 18:02.09 | thewanderer1 | robuster: in case you didn't know, Ctrl+Alt+F7 brings up X.org again (if it does not, try F8 and above) |
| 18:02.27 | moldovean | rue_mohr, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 18:02.47 | robuster | thewanderer1 i tried that too, no ctrl + alt combinations work |
| 18:03.22 | thewanderer1 | robuster: err, so something disabled them... you should be able to get around this limitation with Alt+SysRq+R |
| 18:03.28 | thewanderer1 | then the combinations should work |
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| 18:04.35 | tonytraductor | I know the card works. it's from my kid's phone |
| 18:04.51 | robuster | whats SysRq? |
| 18:05.16 | moldovean | robuster, /msg dpkg SysRq |
| 18:05.19 | thewanderer1 | robuster: it's a key often labelled as PrintScreen too, and one that in conjunction with Alt lets you break your system or rescue it |
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| 18:06.01 | robuster | k, i tried that too still no success |
| 18:06.11 | thewanderer1 | robuster: if you can't switch to any console, I hope you have SSH server running there to log in... |
| 18:06.30 | thewanderer1 | (the last time I checked, VTY switching was only disabled in KDE/KDM...) |
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| 18:07.56 | robuster | im running it inside vmware maybe thats the problem |
| 18:08.19 | thewanderer1 | robuster: er... you should look for an option to switch to another console |
| 18:08.39 | moldovean | robuster, ask #vmware |
| 18:08.52 | thewanderer1 | robuster: and the inability to switch to consoles would mean that you are on windows host / having your keyboard captured completely (is this possible?!) |
| 18:09.21 | thewanderer1 | anyway, find an option to send a Ctrl+Alt+F1 key sequence to the guest ;P |
| 18:09.28 | tonytraductor | meh...nevermind. I just swapped her card for the one in my droid, and put the music on it she wanted...but, I'm still kind of annoyed/perplexed about why this card doesn't mount, when it used to do so automagically |
| 18:09.36 | tonytraductor | anyway, thanks for trying to assist, all the same |
| 18:09.38 | tonytraductor | I'll be back |
| 18:11.41 | facet | hi guys, the audio output from this command "echo -e '\a' |
| 18:11.53 | facet | is very faint |
| 18:12.01 | robuster | ah, apperently Ctrl + Alt is some magic VMWare key you press, i managed to get in to the console now |
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| 18:12.30 | facet | how could i increase it's volume? |
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| 18:13.12 | thewanderer1 | facet: turn up the speakers |
| 18:13.15 | robuster | thewanderer1 any idea what i can do to fix this? |
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| 18:13.29 | aPpYe | in testing, I am seeing some icons in the main menu that puzzle me ... Applications>System Tools>HPLJ 10xx Replaced Paper??? |
| 18:13.37 | aPpYe | fresh install of squeeze |
| 18:13.53 | thewanderer1 | robuster: your temporary solution is to export DISPLAY properly and launch some programs you need |
| 18:14.08 | cahoot | facet: lsmod | grep pcsp - pcspkr or snd-pcsp loaded? |
| 18:14.12 | thewanderer1 | e.g. you can run gnome-terminal |
| 18:15.09 | facet | cahoot: pcspkr 2432 0 |
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| 18:15.55 | robuster | thewanderer1 well i dont know what programs i would possible need, i just want to fix the issue |
| 18:15.59 | aPpYe | this something that is gonna come by default with cups or did some testing dev have a hp 1020 installed when releasign a package? |
| 18:16.05 | aPpYe | or something? |
| 18:16.07 | cahoot | facet: maybe you can use seeterm or xset to modify level |
| 18:16.11 | cahoot | setterm |
| 18:16.38 | facet | ok i'll read the manpage, thanks cahoot |
| 18:17.13 | thewanderer1 | robuster: run gnome-terminal, then you at least can execute commands in GNOME |
| 18:17.39 | thewanderer1 | robuster: you might want to launch a browser and copy some error messages you're getting, paste them, search |
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| 18:18.00 | robuster | i'm getting 'cannot open display' |
| 18:18.07 | robuster | maybe its just easier to reinstall the whole damn thing :/ |
| 18:18.10 | marshallmc | in ispconfig3 what is the significance of "reseller" and "client" |
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| 18:20.12 | CyberaX2195 | hmm, i think i've come across a bug inside one of the packages that makes up debian-installer (specifically grub-installer) , what the best way of reporting it |
| 18:20.21 | CyberaX2195 | since its kinda backwards |
| 18:20.38 | marshallmc | describe the bug you have found |
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| 18:22.10 | CyberaX2195 | When installing using the netinst, just before doing the apt software install it pops up a message box first , saying that it doesn't recognise the bootloader configuration (which is odd as for one its not been installed yet), then after apt's configuration, it comes up with a dialog saying are you sure you want to skip installing grub to the MBR, the only option at this point is to say "Yes" , saying no, brings up the same dialog |
| 18:22.20 | Chiggins | Hey Debian, problem. I installed Debian on my computer, but right after GRUB, I get this on my screen: http://chigstuff.com/debian_error.jpg |
| 18:22.30 | CyberaX2195 | thing is, after saying yes , it goes ahead and installs grub to the mbr |
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| 18:22.45 | CyberaX2195 | which is highly backwarss |
| 18:22.49 | CyberaX2195 | *backwards even |
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| 18:25.46 | CyberaX2195 | i have the install logs i saved them before rebooting if needed |
| 18:27.15 | jelly-home | CyberaX2195: for this information to be useful, you'll have to file an installation report bug |
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| 18:27.38 | jelly-home | !installation report |
| 18:27.38 | dpkg | hmm... installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
| 18:28.29 | CyberaX2195 | ok, willdo, cheers jelly-home |
| 18:28.38 | marshallmc | cybera are you sure your install media is good? |
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| 18:29.22 | CyberaX2195 | marshallmc: 2 different systems now, 2 diff cd's (both downloaded fresh) , so yea :S |
| 18:29.46 | marshallmc | you do checksum calculation? |
| 18:29.54 | jelly-home | Chiggins: that looks like a part of kernel oops or kernel panic message. Which debian release have you installed? Which architecture? Do you know your way around grub? |
| 18:29.57 | CyberaX2195 | i can do , moment |
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| 18:31.03 | Chiggins | jelly-home - It should be the latest debian, 5.0.5 the disk says, 32bit. I don't know grub that well |
| 18:32.17 | CyberaX2195 | marshallmc: yep md5sum's match perfectly |
| 18:32.40 | thewanderer1 | Chiggins: do you have faulty RAM in there? :P |
| 18:32.54 | Chiggins | thewanderer1: Not that I know of :o |
| 18:33.56 | thewanderer1 | Chiggins: if I were you, I would begin with testing it: leave only card #1 inside and try to boot, repeat with all cards (one at a time only) |
| 18:34.10 | thewanderer1 | (card being a RAM stick) |
| 18:34.25 | Chiggins | But leave the OS installed as it is? |
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| 18:34.44 | thewanderer1 | Chiggins: sure |
| 18:34.59 | thewanderer1 | Chiggins: you're only testing for RAM errors, not tearing the world apart :P |
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| 18:35.09 | vit0 | hi guys, i have an issues with lvm .. :/ |
| 18:35.12 | Chiggins | If I have a f'ed up RAM, I'm going to kick a cow |
| 18:35.47 | vit0 | when i type " fdisk -l " i hve a lot of " Disk /dev/dm-x doesn't contain a valid partition table " |
| 18:35.47 | dvs | hides "Bessy" |
| 18:36.00 | Chiggins | lol |
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| 18:37.51 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: why do you think it's ram? We can't even see the whole oops message. |
| 18:38.33 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: it's true, but ordinary panics look different |
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| 18:39.22 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I don't see enough data to know if it's a panic or an oops or what. |
| 18:40.20 | jelly-home | Chiggins: have you tried a different linux distro on that machine recently? perhaps a livecd? |
| 18:40.27 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: neither does anyone, so it might pay off to start with the very basics - it's most definitely not a "VFS"-type error, at least |
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| 18:41.13 | jelly-home | I'd blame old kernel before blaming hardware. |
| 18:41.34 | jelly-home | or buggy bioses |
| 18:41.40 | Chiggins | well, windows server 2008 works fine on it. ubuntu server 10.04 throws an error when its trying to format either one of the hard drives i have installed |
| 18:41.49 | Chiggins | and now its showing a stack trace, ill get a pic in a sec |
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| 18:42.25 | jelly-home | it being... debian again? or something else? |
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| 18:42.44 | jelly-home | Chiggins: is this server hardware? |
| 18:42.59 | Chiggins | debian again... took out one RAM card, it still did the panic.. this is with a different card taken out |
| 18:43.18 | Chiggins | no its not, its a dinemsion 2350 actually |
| 18:43.19 | thewanderer1 | stack traces are good |
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| 18:43.49 | jelly-home | Chiggins: you might want to check now an installer with an update kernel fares: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 18:44.14 | Chiggins | like using an ubuntu live cd? |
| 18:44.40 | jelly-home | no, that's a different option. |
| 18:46.02 | Chiggins | stack trace: http://chigstuff.com/debian_error_2.jpg |
| 18:46.14 | jelly-home | Chiggins: if you were able to mess in grub menu, first thing I'd have suggested was to research and try various kernel boot parameters used to work around buggy bios (noapic / nolapic / noacpi / acpi=off) |
| 18:46.27 | jelly-home | s/was/would have been/ |
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| 18:50.00 | Chiggins | jelly-home thewanderer1 - that trace telling you guys anything? |
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| 18:50.59 | jelly-home | one typically needs to be a kernel developer to have a clue what a kernel trace means |
| 18:51.12 | jelly-home | it mentions apic. :-) |
| 18:51.58 | thewanderer1 | Chiggins: you might want to ask #kernel or #linux |
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| 18:53.04 | thewanderer1 | what the kernel says is basically a hardware problem |
| 18:53.05 | Chiggins | since this came up, does that possibly mean that the ram card i took out is faulty? |
| 18:53.11 | jordanm | I recall a lkml FAQ talking about how to figure out which subsystem it belongs to given a backtrace, for reporting |
| 18:53.39 | thewanderer1 | Chiggins: it definitely means that something is changed - you could try with the other card |
| 18:53.50 | thewanderer1 | it's difficult to make judgements based on a small number of inputs |
| 18:53.53 | jordanm | or perhaps it was a lwn.net "ask a kernel dev" |
| 18:54.15 | Chiggins | thewanderer1 - when i use the other card, i get the panic |
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| 18:54.53 | thewanderer1 | Chiggins: interesting... I suspect hardware problems, not necessarily a wear problem |
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| 18:55.04 | thewanderer1 | could also be a "crappy implementation of hardware" |
| 18:55.10 | thewanderer1 | or a kernel bug, of course |
| 18:55.28 | Chiggins | Should I just leave the stick out that was causing the panic, and go ahead as i am now? |
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| 18:58.38 | thewanderer1 | Chiggins: you get *some* error regardless of it, so you can choose any option you like :P |
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| 18:59.18 | Chiggins | Truth. Could it possibly be a hard drive problem, since when I would try to install ubuntu server, it would yell at me because it couldnt format my drives? |
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| 19:00.21 | thewanderer1 | it could... |
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| 19:05.20 | amanita_ | !wiir |
| 19:05.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wiir is When It Is Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 19:07.53 | action09 | hi all, anyone can recommend me a laptop (same specs as last macbook 13) , as i don't want to have osx... hardware and look are great, i plan to install lenny.. any recommendations .? |
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| 19:08.48 | thewanderer1 | action09: get a Lenovo X200, it works - has a 12" screen and is supported 100% under Debian |
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| 19:08.54 | thewanderer1 | and no, you're not getting "apple-like" looks |
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| 19:09.49 | action09 | ok thanks :) |
| 19:10.05 | sauvin | Seeing as how my girlfriend's lappy, not three years old, has been in the shop a dozen times, I wouldn't WANT one. |
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| 19:21.31 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: don't throw statements like "100% support" around; different models have different specs... a base model with intel graphics and wifi might work differently than a 3G+different wifi+ati high end X200 |
| 19:21.49 | jelly-home | !thinkwiki |
| 19:21.49 | dpkg | Lots of information on Thinkpads and Linux is available at http://www.thinkwiki.org/ . See also <thinkpad>, <laptop>. |
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| 19:23.02 | MattCampbell | Why doesn't Debian Squeeze use sudo by default? I just installed Squeeze using the daily installer build. |
| 19:23.14 | metalfoo | Why should it? |
| 19:23.23 | marshallmc | confused about getting my video input card to work with debian |
| 19:23.24 | jelly-home | MattCampbell: there's a perfectly good su available by default |
| 19:23.53 | sauvin | O |
| 19:24.06 | jelly-home | !tell MattCampbell about installit |
| 19:24.22 | sauvin | I'm kinda at odds with $debian_derivative and its insistence on using su |
| 19:24.29 | MattCampbell | Somehow I had ogtten the idea from Ubuntu that it's more secure to use sudo and not have a root password. But I guess sudo is just more convenient. |
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| 19:24.56 | sauvin | Ubuntu's sudo security is illusory. |
| 19:25.18 | metalfoo | Nothing hinders you to use sudo. |
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| 19:25.45 | SparFux1 | my hal doesn't mount my luks encrypted partitions. Why that? |
| 19:25.45 | metalfoo | It's no enhancement, but you can |
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| 19:25.57 | MattCampbell | But since Debian only provide su by default, I guess Debian developers generlaly believe that su is the right solution. |
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| 19:26.17 | metalfoo | su *is* the right solution. |
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| 19:26.21 | sauvin | Dunno about "default"; I use sudo on Lenny for one-hitters and don't remember rigging it. |
| 19:26.40 | metalfoo | sudo is just a crappy workaround for people who are to lazy to memorize their passwords. |
| 19:26.41 | marshallmc | you have to modify your sudo users in lenny |
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| 19:27.05 | sauvin | Yea, I remember doing that. Took... what? A minute? |
| 19:27.12 | marshallmc | most machines are unsecure |
| 19:27.17 | marshallmc | most machines are not logging |
| 19:27.21 | MattCampbell | I have no problem memorizing my passwords. |
| 19:27.21 | jordanm | sauvin: I believe sudo gets installed by the default "desktop" (gnome) task, but is not pre-configured |
| 19:27.25 | marshallmc | most machines's logs are not reviewed |
| 19:28.06 | jelly-home | metalfoo: sudo is a versatile, useful tool, it can do many more things than su and provide fine granularity. |
| 19:28.11 | metalfoo | I agree. |
| 19:28.21 | metalfoo | su and sudo is for different tasks |
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| 19:28.44 | metalfoo | However it's lazy for Ubuntu people to use sudo as "gain administrative privilege" paradigm |
| 19:29.09 | jelly-home | it's not any more lazy than keeping a su - shell |
| 19:29.14 | sauvin | Ubuntu and Mac OS X. I was told it was more to protect the Great Unwashed from itself. |
| 19:29.48 | jelly-home | Ubuntu and its design decisions aren't topical here anyway. |
| 19:30.05 | sauvin | Probably not. I just like roasting them :D |
| 19:30.14 | jelly-home | sauvin: do it elsewhere. |
| 19:30.15 | MattCampbell | I'm not the Great Unwashed; I first ran Debian in 1996. But I guess I spent long enough with Ubuntu that Debian seemed backward for not using sudo. |
| 19:30.26 | MattCampbell | sorry I got OT |
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| 19:30.47 | metalfoo | So you think "sudo su" is a great improvement? |
| 19:31.00 | jelly-home | MattCampbell: it's just a matter of different defaults. You can install and configure sudo to your liking. |
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| 19:31.40 | jelly-home | metalfoo: use #debian-offtopic if you really want to find out |
| 19:31.48 | jordanm | metalfoo: no, and its wrong even for sudo. "sudo -i" |
| 19:31.58 | MattCampbell | I guess sudo is most useful on systems that have more than one administrator, because using sudo as intended makes it possible to keep track of who is doing what, and to revoke a person's admin rights easily. |
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| 19:32.44 | MattCampbell | all right, I'm done talking about sudo. |
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| 19:44.10 | MattCampbell | I see that the Squeeze standard system has two DHCP clients installed. Is that intentional? |
| 19:44.49 | MattCampbell | dhcp3-client and isc-dhcp-client |
| 19:44.53 | jordanm | is one for ipv6 and the other ipv4? |
| 19:45.24 | MattCampbell | Both work for IPv4; I don't know if the same is true for IPv6. |
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| 19:45.56 | thewanderer1 | MattCampbell: dhcp3-client: Depends: isc-dhcp-client |
| 19:46.06 | thewanderer1 | MattCampbell: what you're seeing is a transitional package. |
| 19:46.15 | jordanm | MattCampbell: they also both Provides: each other |
| 19:46.18 | MattCampbell | oops |
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| 19:46.44 | thewanderer1 | so there are no 2 dhcp clients :) |
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| 19:47.57 | Chaze | hi. i need a (small) vserver for a VPN in the US. Can you recommend any providers? |
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| 19:48.10 | Chaze | so far i only found http://lylix.net/ |
| 19:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | What's the trick to mark a package as installed even when it isn't? |
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| 19:50.07 | stew | jhutchins_lt: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 19:50.57 | xlnsl | www.elitter.net for free unix shell |
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| 19:52.50 | Chaze | elitter.net might not be approriate for my needs. i need something that allows some traffic (which i assume it doesn't) |
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| 19:54.09 | jordanm | Chaze: sdf.org has a paid VPN plan with their free shells |
| 19:54.15 | thewanderer1 | Chaze: this is off-topic here, you know |
| 19:54.18 | thewanderer1 | please move |
| 19:54.36 | Chaze | thewanderer1: i'm sorry, had no idea where to ask |
| 19:54.47 | thewanderer1 | the guys at #linux might know |
| 19:54.58 | Chaze | alright, thank |
| 19:54.59 | Chaze | s |
| 19:55.09 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: what I do is edit /var/lib/dpkg/status manually :P |
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| 19:55.23 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Thanks |
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| 19:57.22 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, lots of unnecessary cruft with equivs. |
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| 20:04.07 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: the ot channels are ok for that stuff too. |
| 20:04.20 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 20:04.47 | thewanderer1 | hm, guys... OpenVZ `vzctl start` is not adding my veth interface to the bridge I specified... |
| 20:05.45 | manouch | how would you say in english to sb who leases holiday objects? |
| 20:06.11 | sauvin | to "sb"? |
| 20:06.28 | manouch | somebody |
| 20:06.34 | sauvin | What's a "holiday object"? |
| 20:06.44 | manouch | an appartement or a house |
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| 20:07.00 | sauvin | Holiday tenant, I suppose. |
| 20:07.13 | metalfoo | and jelly-home was complaining about sudo being off topic :p |
| 20:07.27 | manouch | :D |
| 20:08.00 | thewanderer1 | oh, silly me. I should have read the whole wiki page... |
| 20:08.06 | thewanderer1 | it should be in the default setup, tho |
| 20:08.09 | jhutchins_lt | manouch: Travelocity. |
| 20:08.15 | sauvin | Sorry, I saw a question but didn't notice which channel I was int. |
| 20:08.21 | manouch | jhutchins_lt: what? |
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| 20:13.53 | EvilToaster | how did i check if a program is started in runlevel 0-6. it was like a table for all programs. :) |
| 20:14.03 | EvilToaster | i forgot. |
| 20:14.50 | nachoL | EvilToaster: sysv-rc-conf ? |
| 20:15.12 | jhutchins_lt | EvilToaster: rcconf does a decent job. |
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| 20:16.22 | T3hFly | rcconf for the win |
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| 20:16.53 | Fjorgynn | wth |
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| 20:19.34 | EvilToaster | Thanks nachoL, but jhutchins_lt rcconf cant handle runlevels? |
| 20:20.39 | moldovean | !runlevel |
| 20:20.39 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>. |
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| 20:23.30 | MattCampbell | Speaking of system startup, is the Debian project still planning to transition from SysVinit to upstart? |
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| 20:24.35 | dondelelcaro | MattCampbell: the default will probably remain sysvinit for the forseeable future, but we've provided upstart for quite some time |
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| 20:24.47 | dondelelcaro | MattCampbell: so if you want to transition, just install it |
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| 20:25.23 | MattCampbell | Oh, I can just apt-get install upstart on squeeze and it'll work? |
| 20:26.22 | dondelelcaro | MattCampbell: it should, yes |
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| 20:29.15 | thewanderer1 | MattCampbell: hint: not all scripts may support that, for example if you use proprietary drivers, they sometimes load later than gdm, causing X to not start up - seen this on Ubuntu, I don't know if it happens on Debian too |
| 20:29.54 | thewanderer1 | so if you find a startup error that is not 100% reproducible - it is usually upstart :P |
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| 20:36.35 | MattCampbell | dondelelcaro: I guess upstart only makes a real difference on systems that run a desktop environment; is that right? |
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| 20:37.20 | thewanderer1 | MattCampbell: unless you want to have any other application running very fast on a server, then yes |
| 20:37.36 | thewanderer1 | fast as in 'soon' |
| 20:38.40 | MattCampbell | If all of the SysV init scripts were rewritten as upstart jobs, would servers boot substantially faster? |
| 20:39.02 | dondelelcaro | MattCampbell: it has a bunch of advantages, but bootup speed isn't terribly iportant |
| 20:39.15 | dondelelcaro | MattCampbell: if your server is booting enough that startup time actually matters, something is wrong |
| 20:39.37 | MattCampbell | Touche. |
| 20:39.45 | thewanderer1 | MattCampbell: upstart has no effect on booting completely (all initscripts) at all |
| 20:39.47 | MattCampbell | That's not the case, I'm just experimenting in a VM. |
| 20:39.49 | thewanderer1 | it only re-orders them |
| 20:40.00 | thewanderer1 | it's not magic or anything |
| 20:40.26 | thewanderer1 | and Debian already uses parallel startpar-style boot if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:40.55 | MattCampbell | I read that Squeeze is using insserv for that. |
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| 20:41.22 | MattCampbell | So I'll go back to sysvinit, if I can. |
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| 20:44.04 | W8TVI | ah ha! |
| 20:44.19 | W8TVI | this network card IS the bad one. |
| 20:44.31 | W8TVI | I just found the good one with the parts for my old motherboard. |
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| 20:47.32 | slidesinger | running dhcp3 on stable. It is working fine, but I am trying to add a new kind of traffic. All network hardware has a mac address. (Not news to Linux folks) It consists of 12 hex digits, the first six identifying the vendor/manufacturer. I'm trying to figure out an eval based on the manufacturer portion of the mac address. Would that be a straight eval or an option? |
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| 20:48.29 | slidesinger | Tried looking for info on "option vendor-class-identifier string;" but only got an English and a foreign version of the man page. |
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| 20:49.07 | MattCampbell | To my surprise, my Squeeze VM (with no GUI) boots faster with sysvinit than with upstart. |
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| 20:56.52 | slidesinger | MattCampbell: I find that to be true on machines that run only a few things, my Lenny firewall boots much faster than my Squeeze LTSP server, and it is running on an old arm processor with 256 MB RAM, whereas my Squeeze Server is a Xeon 3450 with 8GB of RAM. |
| 20:58.50 | MattCampbell | slidesinger: So you're running Debian on a machine with an ARM processor? What kind of device? I'm just curious. |
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| 20:59.39 | T3hFly | Poll: Iceweasel or Chrome |
| 20:59.46 | T3hFly | Discuss |
| 20:59.52 | metalfoo | No |
| 20:59.56 | T3hFly | :'( |
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| 21:00.05 | slidesinger | embedded firewall |
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| 21:00.33 | metalfoo | Nobody cares, and everybody has his own taste. Find out on your own, what you like. |
| 21:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | slidesinger: I think you can specify a partial mac with the "hardware" spec. |
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| 21:01.51 | jhutchins_lt | MattCampbell: There's been a lot of hype about upstart |
| 21:02.22 | jhutchins_lt | MattCampbell: If you're in a VM though comparisons aren't really valid. |
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| 21:02.51 | phorce1_home | is there a way to mirror he entirety of someone's blogspot.com blog? He died Friday and I'd like to save it before it goes away |
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| 21:06.42 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1_home: You could experiment with wget's recursive feature - it's intended to do things like that. |
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| 21:07.47 | MattCampbell | jhutchins_lt: Do you think upstart has any real advantages even for desktop systems? |
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| 21:24.06 | jhutchins_lt | MattCampbell: I doubt it's the ultimate answer. It's one way to explore. |
| 21:24.09 | jhutchins_lt | MattCampbell: What hardware did you test it on? |
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| 21:38.52 | peterS | 3~/l4 |
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| 21:42.26 | W8TVI | woohoo. server already to be swaped into place. |
| 21:42.39 | W8TVI | now I just have to do the swap, but I'm in the middle of something. |
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| 21:46.31 | ktwilight | i need an expert opinion on a very controversial topic. |
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| 21:47.32 | Bushmills | ktwilight: those tend to be expensive |
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| 21:48.04 | ktwilight | Bushmills, hm, but this is also a simple yes or no question. |
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| 21:49.39 | ktwilight | hm, maybe the FAQ has the answer... |
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| 21:54.06 | ktwilight | ok, no answer. so i'll ask anyways. |
| 21:54.11 | ries | hey All, I am trying to compile and debug a program, but looking for a IDE to run, debug my sources. I just tried Anjuta, but that fails to work because of some dependency graph issues, then bails out. Any recommendation for a simple IDE with debug facilities? |
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| 21:55.20 | ktwilight | i want to be adventurous, yet i want to ensure my feet doesn't fall over the cliff. i know squeeze is frozen, and i'm wondering if it's safe to upgrade from lenny? has anyone done it? |
| 21:56.34 | thewanderer1 | Aug 15 23:40:15 pdc slapd[4671]: main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1 -- slapd error, how do I fix it? |
| 21:58.09 | moldovean | ktwilight, yes, see /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 21:58.34 | ktwilight | moldovean, awesome! thanks |
| 21:59.14 | moldovean | ktwilight, it's for desktop i presume ? |
| 21:59.31 | ktwilight | moldovean, and server too |
| 21:59.50 | moldovean | for server no .. |
| 22:00.15 | ktwilight | reason? |
| 22:00.57 | moldovean | stable is targeted for servers |
| 22:01.04 | ktwilight | ah ok, yes... |
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| 22:01.24 | ktwilight | but wow...there's alot of precautions to take care of on backports and volatile stuff |
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| 22:01.44 | ktwilight | moldovean, thanks for the guidance, will look more closely :) |
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| 22:02.15 | Metatron | what script is dpkg |
| 22:02.16 | moldovean | ktwilight, /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:02.59 | moldovean | Metatron, /msg dpkg dpkg |
| 22:03.17 | Metatron | thanks |
| 22:03.21 | moldovean | np |
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| 22:07.09 | Metatron | ack doesnt say |
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| 22:08.33 | phorce1_home | jhutchins_lt: thx. Wget did it. I wasn't sure if blogspot used any "fancy dynamic crap" that would break wget. Thought there might be a site specific tool but had no luck with google |
| 22:08.38 | themill | dpkg, what are you |
| 22:08.39 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 22:08.43 | themill | Metatron: ^^ |
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| 22:10.37 | I_Died_Once | question: after upgrading to squeeze, my xorg.conf isn't reading my trackball entries... also, CTRL + ALT + Backspace doesn't work anymore either. Anyone know of a way to make X behave correctly? |
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| 22:11.01 | I_Died_Once | i have a trackball mouse and the xorg.conf isnt detecting it, or whatever, correctly |
| 22:11.21 | Metatron | ok is it a bloodbot in pearl? |
| 22:11.45 | Metatron | ah so it is |
| 22:11.49 | Metatron | thanks again |
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| 22:13.52 | Fjorgynn | Night. |
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| 22:18.26 | I_Died_Once | of all the little problems and oddities i;'ve encountered, never knew control alt backspace not to work |
| 22:18.42 | I_Died_Once | i'm stumpted |
| 22:20.01 | utrrrongeeb | Ctrl-Alt-Backspace didn't work for me when I upgraded to Etch-n-half [something like that] to use the newer Intel driver. I didn't bother to look for a fix because Lenny came out with everything compatible shortly afterwards. |
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| 22:21.29 | themill | !dontzap |
| 22:21.30 | dpkg | In Lenny, disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by placing Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5) or ask me about <xorg config lenny>. In Squeeze, zapping is disabled by default. "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server; setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
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| 22:22.30 | DDRP | That's really annoying... Ubuntu does the same as well |
| 22:22.37 | I_Died_Once | ok, ok... |
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| 22:22.51 | utrrrongeeb | themill: Thanks -- I'll probably need that some day |
| 22:22.54 | tuliohm | Hi, would i have problems installing 64 bits version of debian? |
| 22:22.55 | I_Died_Once | now, is it not tacking my trackball settings related? |
| 22:23.19 | cast | DDRP: indeed, it does suck |
| 22:23.20 | I_Died_Once | i was thikning it was a problem with x in general |
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| 22:28.59 | phylogenesis | What's the best website for all things Debian? |
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| 22:31.01 | phylogenesis | For instance, I want to write a program that receives a fax and puts in it a folder, but I don't want to write the code to receive the fax. I'd rather just use another program to do that and then pass the resulting image to my program. |
| 22:32.13 | phylogenesis | When I try to Google it I get a lot of stuff about setting up a fax server, but I just want to receive. |
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| 22:32.42 | petemc | phylogenesis: hylafax is pretty easy to set up |
| 22:33.50 | phylogenesis | Do you need a fax server to receive a fax? |
| 22:34.06 | phylogenesis | and can I pipe the resulting fax image from it to my program? |
| 22:34.17 | phylogenesis | without user intervention? |
| 22:34.27 | petemc | yes, thats pretty much how hylafax works |
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| 22:35.24 | tuliohm | Hi, someone is using kde on debian lenny? |
| 22:35.40 | tuliohm | witch version is? any problems? |
| 22:35.42 | tuliohm | :) |
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| 22:38.35 | moldovean | tuliohm, kde3.5. /msg dpkg kde3 |
| 22:38.46 | tuliohm | hmm |
| 22:38.48 | tuliohm | thanks |
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| 22:39.06 | moldovean | np |
| 22:39.31 | moldovean | tuliohm, /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 22:39.53 | tuliohm | moldovean, ohh thanks |
| 22:39.54 | tuliohm | :p |
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| 22:51.19 | jhutchins_lt | How do I change the password I've entered for a wireless connection in knetworkmanager? |
| 22:52.09 | W8TVI | I wish there was an easy way to copy the configuration from my old server to the new one. |
| 22:53.46 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: Interemittent connection here, what configuration? |
| 22:54.26 | W8TVI | all the setting I have for everything on my old server and stick them on the new one. |
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| 22:57.25 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: What release is on the old server? |
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| 22:58.02 | W8TVI | jhutchins_lt: its very old redhat server |
| 22:58.09 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 22:58.27 | jhutchins_lt | Presumably the new one is Debian lenny? |
| 22:58.31 | W8TVI | yep |
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| 23:00.44 | jhutchins_lt | You've got three problems: RedHat configures things differently than Debian, always has; You're probably dealing with different packages for some of the same services, and even current versions of the same server packages have different configuration options |
| 23:01.20 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: What services are you running? |
| 23:01.59 | W8TVI | bind, squid, a dhcp server, samba... |
| 23:02.07 | W8TVI | and its my firewall |
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| 23:03.34 | jhutchins_lt | Bind's pretty easy. Never messed with squid. dhcp, just copy your conf files and figure out where to put the pieces. Samba, you're going to want to configure from scratch, but you can keep stuff like shares. I like swat's links to the documentation. |
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| 23:04.01 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: Firewall probably changes the least, just use the iptables list option that formats the output as commands and copy over. |
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| 23:14.53 | jhutchins_lt | I think my Tucson server started at RH5, went to 7, got screwed by RH support and went to Mandriva, then ... Etch? Can't remember if that one started out Etch or went right to lenny. |
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| 23:16.53 | W8TVI | jhutchins_lt: I'm trying to recreate the my zone files from scratch using webmin. |
| 23:17.05 | W8TVI | makes it easier to do it on this computer than on the server. |
| 23:17.15 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 23:17.16 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 23:18.12 | W8TVI | jhutchins_lt: got a better tool to use? |
| 23:18.21 | fas3r | the version of policyd from the website is the same from the package in debian ? i mean its the same functionnality ? |
| 23:18.25 | jhutchins_lt | vi |
| 23:18.58 | jhutchins_lt | I admit that swat's a GUI, but I mostly use it for validation and checking option documentation. |
| 23:19.03 | W8TVI | jhutchins_lt: no thanks. I prefer to use a text editor that doesn't try to get in the way of editing text. |
| 23:19.20 | jhutchins_lt | DHCP though - I wouldn't want a GUI messing with that, it's just straight text files. |
| 23:19.48 | W8TVI | jhutchins_lt: I'm just going to copy the config file over. |
| 23:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | Er, DNS. |
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| 23:20.09 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: Yea, try that, debug the errors. |
| 23:20.24 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: You're probably bind 7 or 8 instead of 9. |
| 23:20.26 | W8TVI | well, the old server is a toshiba magnia sg20 |
| 23:22.12 | W8TVI | its running BIND 9.2.1 |
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| 23:24.12 | jhutchins_lt | What release of RH? |
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| 23:25.02 | W8TVI | 7.3 |
| 23:25.26 | jhutchins_lt | It'll kinda work. |
| 23:25.26 | W8TVI | I have it locked up to the outside |
| 23:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | Lenny's bind will treat some of the configuration commands correctly, which rh73 didn't, but it's not too hard to work out from the error messages if you have any problems. |
| 23:26.09 | W8TVI | but anyway, the way they setup this server appliance is kinda odd, so I'd rather know I have the files setup in some standard way. |
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| 23:27.17 | W8TVI | and I don't have much to do to copy the basic config over. |
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| 23:48.59 | txmatt | k Mint |
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| 23:50.20 | mitigating | Hi |
| 23:50.34 | mitigating | I'm having a issue with a server that has to open alot of outgoing connections |
| 23:50.36 | mitigating | about 50,000 |
| 23:50.44 | mitigating | I seem to run into limits here and there |
| 23:50.56 | mitigating | I increased the max file descriptors |
| 23:51.00 | mitigating | and ephermal port range |
| 23:51.02 | mitigating | what else is there? |
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