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| 00:03.52 | W8TVI | heh |
| 00:04.02 | W8TVI | copying 19K files. |
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| 00:24.38 | aPpYe | the walkthroughs I see for getting nvidia to work all seem to be for lenny. Do the same walkthroughs apply for squeeze? |
| 00:25.05 | fafa67 | you're trying to install drivers with the .run ? |
| 00:25.35 | aPpYe | .run? |
| 00:26.06 | fafa67 | well, if you download the drivers from nvidia website, you get a file .run |
| 00:26.27 | jpinx-eeepc | !nvidia |
| 00:26.28 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 00:26.39 | jpinx-eeepc | fafa67: âââ |
| 00:26.44 | aPpYe | no, I am trying to get it done through aptitude. I am currently following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 00:26.58 | fafa67 | okay the free drivers |
| 00:27.05 | fafa67 | open source I mean |
| 00:27.09 | aPpYe | just wondering which of the FOUR methods outlined here would be best for a squeeze system. |
| 00:27.44 | aPpYe | or if this walkthrough even applies to squeeze. |
| 00:28.04 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe: sorry - that factoid was for you |
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| 00:31.34 | aPpYe | jpinx-eeepc: okay... as I said I was looking at that page. It has several different routes I can follow. One item of confusion for me: |
| 00:31.36 | aPpYe | for a squeeze system, I do not see a nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) in the repositories, just nvidia-kernel${VERSION} |
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| 00:32.31 | jpinx-eeepc | aPpYe: ask that again - here's a man that knows :) |
| 00:33.05 | aPpYe | friend, you are confusing me? |
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| 00:34.50 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: usually knows how to fix nvidia issues |
| 00:35.02 | abrotman | uhm, no, i don't buy that junk |
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| 00:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | fas3r: Intelligent reading of the logs should tell you. |
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| 00:57.50 | fas3r | jhutchins_lt: yes its done |
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| 01:51.26 | rue_mohr | See <squeeze udev> you may need to upgrade your kernel from bpo first <-- whats bpo? |
| 01:52.40 | stew | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 03:16.25 | rue_mohr | can I get around this udev/kernel problem by building my own kernel and letting it remove the kernel package, then puttingit all back? |
| 03:17.02 | rue_mohr | apt didn't say there was a package conflict with udev, it just said install failed |
| 03:17.43 | kmonk | rue_mohr: hihi |
| 03:18.05 | kmonk | what's the error message? |
| 03:18.15 | rue_mohr | hi, I'm a squeeze tester, its failing! |
| 03:18.21 | rue_mohr | well I'm about to find out again |
| 03:18.28 | rue_mohr | just finished reinstalling lenny |
| 03:18.42 | kmonk | especially, what's the error message when you "apt-get -f install" |
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| 03:19.06 | rue_mohr | I have to let dist-upgrade finish first, then I'll tell ya |
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| 03:28.05 | rue_mohr | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:28.05 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.08 | rue_mohr | thats all it says |
| 03:28.33 | rue_mohr | if I remove udev and the kernel, I can finish my installs |
| 03:28.45 | rue_mohr | but when I did that last time the kernel didn't go back in right |
| 03:28.49 | rue_mohr | I hate grub |
| 03:29.08 | rue_mohr | initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 udev |
| 03:29.47 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: uh... if a package fails to install, you need to figure out why it failed, and fix the problem. |
| 03:29.52 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: removing it isn't going to help. |
| 03:30.00 | rue_mohr | I'm not into fixing debian packages |
| 03:30.06 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: in the case of udev, most likely you need to install a new kernel, reboot, and then continue installing. |
| 03:30.20 | rue_mohr | I have to disagree, removal of my kernel will make alot of things stop not working |
| 03:30.33 | rue_mohr | could you go into detail ont hat one |
| 03:30.33 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: so? I'm telling you *not* to remove anything/. |
| 03:30.34 | DanDare | Hello. Debian Lenny here. avahi-daemon consuming 98% proccess time, what it means ? |
| 03:30.46 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: you're the one who is attempting to remove udev. |
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| 03:30.54 | rue_mohr | no I DID |
| 03:31.01 | rue_mohr | and the kernel went with it, byebye |
| 03:31.12 | dondelelcaro | yes... this is why you don't remove udev... |
| 03:32.22 | rue_mohr | but udev is a broken squeeze package |
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| 03:33.30 | rue_mohr | Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev. |
| 03:33.34 | rue_mohr | what do I upgrade the kernel to? |
| 03:33.37 | kmonk | udev is kinda important, you probably need it |
| 03:33.47 | rue_mohr | I always build my own kernels, so I'm not familiar with this |
| 03:34.03 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
| 03:34.07 | kmonk | ah i see and how do you install your own kernel. |
| 03:34.23 | rue_mohr | make install; make modules-install |
| 03:34.35 | rue_mohr | then I go edit lilo.conf, cause grub sucks :) |
| 03:34.45 | kmonk | you should probably read the manual first ;p because.... |
| 03:34.52 | SineDeviance | question for you. after updating the firmware on my external USB hdd, when i go to mount it, the drive literally disappears from /dev until the next reboot, and i am getting this -> http://pastebin.com/jjxc3868 |
| 03:35.26 | kmonk | make-kpkg kernel_image && dpkg -i ../linux-image-2.x.x.x will actually include your kernel into the dpkg system instead of just dumping it into the system. |
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| 03:36.23 | kmonk | it will create a deb and install it properly, everything should be installed as debs to maintain system integrity. it's "the debian way" |
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| 03:37.35 | kmonk | is this the cause of your problem with udev? possibly i can't say for sure but worth looking into anyway. |
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| 03:38.11 | SineDeviance | brb, gonna reboot and check fdisk -l |
| 03:38.20 | fishcooker | i want to set timer how long the compiling process will end, how to make it happen?! |
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| 03:39.00 | W8TVI | interesting... using nfs to copy the data over works much better than cifs |
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| 03:44.06 | rue_mohr | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem <-- is that an ok kernel for udev? |
| 03:44.40 | rue_mohr | not using a kernel network block device? |
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| 03:48.06 | SineDeviance | rue_mohr: thats the one i'm using. works fine for me. ymmv as always. |
| 03:48.34 | rue_mohr | parking lot warranty, great |
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| 03:49.00 | acu | how can I get all the programs installed - as a list or command - and reinstall them in a new server - instead of installing them one by one |
| 03:49.13 | jpinx-eeepc | !clone |
| 03:49.13 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 03:49.29 | jpinx-eeepc | silly bot |
| 03:49.51 | rue_mohr | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_160-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:49.51 | dpkg | rue_mohr: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 03:49.55 | rue_mohr | can I boot without udev? |
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| 03:50.23 | rue_mohr | assuming I'm just booting off a standard compaq raid array |
| 03:51.38 | rue_mohr | see I'm worried cause it seems to indicate it couldn't unpack it |
| 03:53.03 | rue_mohr | if this dosn't boot, maybe I can rootfs= from a knoppix disk |
| 03:53.15 | kmonk | !!! |
| 03:53.15 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 03:53.26 | kmonk | ha, sorry dpkg |
| 03:53.32 | kmonk | silly bot :) |
| 03:53.40 | kmonk | /var/log/dpkg.log is the log for dpkg |
| 03:53.40 | rue_mohr | !lart kmonk |
| 03:53.41 | dpkg | whips out his power stapler and staples kmonk's foot to the floor |
| 03:54.01 | kmonk | you should probably have a look at the bottom of that file to see what really happened. |
| 03:54.07 | rue_mohr | oooh the good ole days, I wondered where the people from the OLDE #linuxhelp went |
| 03:54.21 | rue_mohr | it says its installed |
| 03:54.26 | rue_mohr | the error says its not |
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| 03:55.12 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: maybe dpkg -l ? |
| 03:55.37 | rue_mohr | ii udev 0.125-7+lenny3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 03:55.54 | rue_mohr | so it seems to say I'm good to boot |
| 03:56.08 | rue_mohr | ok, hell it goes then! |
| 03:56.36 | kmonk | well. dpkg --get-selections | grep udev , will tell you |
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| 03:57.53 | kmonk | rue_mohr: they probably moved to #linux and changed their names :) |
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| 03:59.17 | acu | and a comment about Squeeze - it is so beautiful and nice - almost everything is "cutting edge" very Undebianish - only one major thing will be missing - support for USB 3.0 - the squeeze release will be with a kernel not supporting USB 3.0 which will be the default hardware - perhaps by the end of this year |
| 04:00.32 | rue_mohr | its done, under the new kernel the udev install went great |
| 04:00.54 | kmonk | kapai rue_mohy :) |
| 04:00.56 | jpinx-eeepc | acu: they'll probably have a later kernel in backports by then |
| 04:01.12 | rue_mohr | so, now I can go back to trying to install vlc-nox and get a webcam to stream (cause lenny vlc has no codecs and cant do webcam-> network stream for lack of a packetizer or soemthing) |
| 04:02.09 | rue_mohr | then if that works I can upgrade the laptop and repeat everything |
| 04:02.14 | acu | rue_mohr - go Squeeze - VLC and Ekiga in Lenny are so outdated |
| 04:02.20 | rue_mohr | then I can drive my mower remotly around the yard |
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| 04:02.34 | rue_mohr | yea, thats why I just went thru hell to upgrade to squeeze |
| 04:03.24 | rue_mohr | this will be interesting, the compaq server I'm doing this on dosn't ahve sound I dont think |
| 04:04.01 | acu | why hell ? It is easier than ever - change repositories - and full upgrade (first google will hit a nice tutorial) |
| 04:04.04 | rue_mohr | grunts |
| 04:04.10 | rue_mohr | actaully, it dosn't even have usb... |
| 04:04.30 | rue_mohr | acu, no, udev crunches up the whole thing cause of the kernel versions |
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| 04:04.52 | rue_mohr | grabs a usb pci card... |
| 04:04.56 | fbh | Quick question.. 12:50 PM is 12:50 noon, right? |
| 04:05.10 | acu | yes |
| 04:05.15 | fbh | thanks |
| 04:05.24 | acu | :0 |
| 04:05.27 | acu | :) |
| 04:05.30 | jpinx-eeepc | there's a special hiccup if your kernel is not late |
| 04:05.34 | fbh | is used to 24h format |
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| 04:05.44 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 04:05.44 | dpkg | See <squeeze udev> you may need to upgrade your kernel from bpo first. Then remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
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| 04:06.16 | lagbolt | hey, keep getting Err http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable/main Packages 302 Found error :( cant find any solutions. anyone seen this before? |
| 04:06.31 | rue_mohr | yes, BUT that dosn't say what to upgrade to |
| 04:06.58 | rue_mohr | if it said "run apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32.6-bigmem or the like it would be helpfull |
| 04:07.14 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: IT DOES - FROM BCKPORRTS |
| 04:07.21 | rue_mohr | "instructions are made by people who know what their doing for people who would know, but wanted to confirm" |
| 04:07.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Opps - sorry |
| 04:07.29 | rue_mohr | and how does one do that? |
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| 04:07.44 | jpinx-eeepc | !backports |
| 04:07.44 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 04:07.48 | rue_mohr | apt-get install from backports the linux kernel |
| 04:08.06 | rue_mohr | right, dosn't say anything about sources.list does it? |
| 04:08.13 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: yes - you follow the instrucctions on backports.org |
| 04:08.22 | jpinx-eeepc | yes it does |
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| 04:08.42 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: if you'd like to write a compleete set of instructions, please do ;) |
| 04:09.09 | rue_mohr | if I said I did would posting the url help? |
| 04:09.40 | rue_mohr | ... silence usually means I made my point |
| 04:09.47 | jpinx-eeepc | sure |
| 04:09.51 | jpinx-eeepc | post it |
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| 04:10.10 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: /pm it to me :) |
| 04:10.35 | acu | rue_mohr, I am always amazed why people are "creative" when they do not be - and sheep like - when they need to be creative - I am preety shure if you go this way - http://tzmartin.com/how-to-upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze/2010-06-19 |
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| 04:11.35 | acu | you would have upgrade everything without hickups - but you are turning your upgrade in a nightmare (very Debianish - I think is passe - debian is easy ) :) |
| 04:12.33 | jpinx-eeepc | acu: agreed - apart from making sure your kernel is up-to-date going to squeeze is easy |
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| 04:15.27 | kmonk | fsure, the only problem i ever have is when the new kernel source comes out, i need it for some reason and readline spits out fifty- three choice questions about memory allocation addresses, chipsets i've never heard of and buffer i/os o_O |
| 04:15.40 | kmonk | during 'make oldconfig' |
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| 04:18.34 | Malf | I'm looking to get samba to startup (or possibly just restart) after my network connection is set. I'm making a wireless connection and samba doesn't seem to play too well if it starts up before the connection is established. Is my best bet looking into the rcX.d scripts and changing the start order there? |
| 04:21.09 | rue_mohr | whats full-upgrade from dist-upgrade? |
| 04:21.09 | Malf | I'm in squeeze |
| 04:21.31 | W8TVI | hrm... |
| 04:21.49 | W8TVI | I had to install gcc and make to be able to compile... |
| 04:21.50 | rue_mohr | why didn't svn last verry long, I didn't even get used to it yet and everyones already jumping over to git |
| 04:21.58 | W8TVI | anything else I need to install? |
| 04:22.30 | rue_mohr | do I still have to build my own module for my old logitech quickcam? |
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| 04:23.47 | rue_mohr | qc-usb-source - source for the QuickCam Express driver |
| 04:23.48 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 04:24.15 | kmonk | Malf: I would run samba start at the end of whatever script launches your wireless interface |
| 04:24.48 | kmonk | Malf: but that's silly hmm |
| 04:25.13 | Malf | yeah I guess I could do that |
| 04:26.11 | kmonk | there should be a better way though. |
| 04:27.03 | Malf | yeah that's why I figured I'd throw it out here |
| 04:27.28 | acu | how do you restart a network ? I usually do /etc/init.d/networking restart - but now it tells me is obsolete what is the new way ? |
| 04:27.43 | Malf | I mean really what I guess I want is for the samba daemon to deal with the network coming up after it's already running itself |
| 04:28.02 | rue_mohr | I love it when you get half the story, "do it differently" |
| 04:29.37 | Malf | but I guess if I want to get into that territory I'm probably stuck researching/coding it myself |
| 04:29.59 | rue_mohr | well, aren't we still using init scripts? |
| 04:30.08 | Malf | yeah I think so |
| 04:30.13 | Malf | so I think I can just re-order them |
| 04:30.19 | Malf | was just hoping I could avoid that |
| 04:30.31 | Malf | as I've been trying to avoid that type of configuration change this time around |
| 04:30.38 | Malf | trying to stay as vanilla as I can |
| 04:30.54 | rue_mohr | I have squeeze here, and it looks like its all good |
| 04:31.38 | acu | rue_mohr: is not a rumor - it is true - squeeze it hard - it works :) |
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| 04:36.56 | Malf | I think I'll lean towards the startup script approach for now and revisit it later when I have time to debug where exactly smbd is failing |
| 04:36.57 | Malf | thanks all |
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| 04:39.04 | Dewi | rue_mohr: I've been using svn for 6+ years |
| 04:40.23 | Dewi | rue_mohr: but I guess you could say CVS didn't get retired in a big way on the web until recently |
| 04:40.50 | Dewi | (and git / mercurial seem to be as big a part of that as svn these days) |
| 04:41.06 | acu | rue_mohr, I have seen your question about logitech quickam - no - Squeeze will see it use Ekiga or Cheese to test it |
| 04:41.39 | acu | I meant - it is recognized out of the box - no creativity required |
| 04:42.41 | kmonk | xawtv is a goodie for webcams |
| 04:42.44 | rue_mohr | acu, thankyou |
| 04:42.48 | rue_mohr | no x |
| 04:42.54 | rue_mohr | trying to stream it to network |
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| 04:43.26 | acu | rue_mohr: the driver is v4l2 |
| 04:43.52 | acu | cheese will tell you its address |
| 04:44.16 | acu | oh - I see you did not install x |
| 04:45.40 | Dewi | speaking of source control, is there a source control system where debian packages live? |
| 04:45.41 | rue_mohr | Aug 15 21:43:25 recall kernel: [ 1445.982020] STV06xx: HDCS-1020 sensor detected |
| 04:45.47 | rue_mohr | I dont think it created a /dev |
| 04:46.08 | rue_mohr | but hter is a video0, so ok |
| 04:46.49 | acu | /dev/video0 then :) |
| 04:47.24 | acu | I wonder if you do a dmesg before and after you plug the webcam |
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| 04:48.24 | rue_mohr | its not in the syslog (the device name) so ??? whatever |
| 04:48.42 | rue_mohr | no camserv in squeeze? |
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| 04:50.16 | kmonk | Dewi: you mean |
| 04:50.54 | kmonk | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html ? |
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| 04:57.43 | rue_mohr | cheese? |
| 04:58.12 | rue_mohr | no I need command line |
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| 05:04.05 | rue_mohr | what in squeeze can I use to test my video device, I dont have X |
| 05:04.13 | jelly-home | Dewi: not a unified one, but many maintainers/maintainer teams have their own trees. In addition many are hosted on alioth. |
| 05:04.56 | jelly-home | !tell Dewi about alioth |
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| 05:05.31 | Dewi | jelly-home: thx |
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| 05:06.02 | cahoot | rue_mohr: mplayer for one |
| 05:06.15 | rue_mohr | ---> I dont have X <--- |
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| 05:06.55 | rue_mohr | i'm sceptical if this driver works |
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| 05:08.04 | rue_mohr | I dont think its linking to /dev/video |
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| 05:10.08 | rue_mohr | nowhere in syslog does it say its making a device file for it |
| 05:10.46 | acu | rue_mohr why do you like to torture yourself ? - just install X - there is a program called cheese - it will tell you everything (that is if you want to spare few neurons and a week of troubleshooting) |
| 05:11.32 | rue_mohr | hmmm |
| 05:11.50 | jelly-home | ,depends cheese |
| 05:11.52 | judd | cheese -- depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.15.1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libebook1.2-9 (>= 2.22.3), libedataserver1.2-9 (>= 2.22.3), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgnomeui-0 (>= |
| 05:11.54 | judd | 2.17.1), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.15), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.15), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libhal1 (>= 0.5.8.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.14.10), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libpopt0 (>= 1.14), librsvg2-2 (>= 2.18.1), libsm6, libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), libxxf86vm1, gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2), gstreamer0.10-plugins-base, gstreamer0.10-plugins-g |
| 05:12.17 | jelly-home | acu: seems like it will also install gnome |
| 05:12.17 | acu | cheese is a gnome program - so you would need gnome most probably |
| 05:12.40 | rue_mohr | well I'm doing all this so i can use vlc |
| 05:12.58 | jelly-home | so, why not try... vlc. |
| 05:13.06 | acu | so what? It is free as in freedom, as in open source as in beer - it is strange how much masochism people can show to themselves - just install gnome and solve your problem in max 20 minutes |
| 05:13.31 | acu | vlc does not tell you what dev/video it is and whether is there or not |
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| 05:15.12 | jelly-home | or mplayer or apt-cache search v4l |
| 05:15.12 | acu | the best program to test is cheese - next best is ekiga (though it does not tell you directly which /dev/videowhatsoever |
| 05:15.26 | acu | it should be v4l2 |
| 05:16.10 | jelly-home | apt-cache search v4l2 would yield less results |
| 05:16.21 | acu | indeed |
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| 05:17.00 | rue_mohr | [0x8b89d14] main decoder error: cannot create packetizer output (RV24) |
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| 05:17.17 | rue_mohr | I have spent 2 days making a squeeze system to install vlc to get around THAT error |
| 05:17.52 | acu | rue_mohr - just install gnome man - what is your problem ? - though it seem you get a kick out of frustration :) |
| 05:18.24 | acu | rue_mohr: do you install squeeze from scratch ? |
| 05:18.53 | rue_mohr | from lenny |
| 05:19.00 | rue_mohr | twice |
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| 05:19.20 | rue_mohr | I been 2 weeks now trying to stream a webcam faster than 1 fps |
| 05:19.20 | acu | because I have a suspicion that you are too creative - that is why nothing works - just install squeeze - daily - net install - it should work like a charm - I installed it perhaps more than 50 times - and it works |
| 05:19.59 | jelly-home | acu: you also have a webcam stream? |
| 05:20.06 | acu | Install squeeze from scratch |
| 05:20.10 | ondrejxo | hello, i have serious issue here, i have 40gb disc which is gonna to die in next few days and i need it to migrate to 80gb disc, is there any posibility for this or should i make new install? |
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| 05:20.35 | jelly-home | acu: it doesn't really matter how it's installed and there's no need to reinstall at this point. |
| 05:20.48 | kmonk | ondrejxo: dd |
| 05:20.49 | acu | jelly-home first you have to make the webcam work - I tried around 7 webcams - including the logitech - they work right out of the box |
| 05:20.58 | acu | cheese |
| 05:21.00 | acu | :) |
| 05:22.00 | jelly-home | acu: leaving the cheese aside for a moment, how is reinstalling the whole OS going to make a difference |
| 05:22.00 | acu | jelly-home: it matters big time - you have a lot of configurations and old ends and bits - which many times transfer (are kept_) so the best is HANDS DOWN CLEAN installation of squeeze from daily netinstall |
| 05:22.13 | rue_mohr | ondrejxo, look up the harddrive-upgrade-howto |
| 05:22.32 | jelly-home | acu: I haven't needed a reinstall of this machnie in 9-10 years. |
| 05:22.46 | rue_mohr | mines older :) |
| 05:22.58 | trim | lol |
| 05:22.59 | rue_mohr | I think I'm on about 14 years since an install |
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| 05:23.04 | rue_mohr | lots of upgrades |
| 05:23.08 | trim | if you gear can survive... |
| 05:23.16 | jelly-home | acu: upgradeability one of Debian's comparative advantages |
| 05:23.20 | rue_mohr | its seen about 4 mothreboards iirc, 3 sets of hd's |
| 05:23.51 | acu | jelly-home: you are one - there are others - actually at debconf10 one of the speaker from Stanford - very nice speech - I forgot his name - (to my shame) he said that many times - CLEAN INSTALL will make sure that there are no loose ends - unfinished installations and configurations which CONTAMINATE the new install :) |
| 05:24.21 | jelly-home | acu: that was in context of one-application servers |
| 05:24.42 | jelly-home | acu: and reproducibility (and I agree in that regard) |
| 05:24.48 | kmonk | acu: that depends on just how many alternations have been made outside of the dpkg infrastructure. |
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| 05:25.49 | kmonk | if a modifications have been made outside of items covered by dpkg then upgrading wont do squat |
| 05:26.00 | acu | it is true - but this becomes an esoteric discussion :) = rue_mohr is enjoying a frustration which can be solved very easy - clean install netinstall daily squeeze - with gnome - that is all :) |
| 05:26.00 | ondrejxo | kmonk: dd will not do the job, discs are different by size |
| 05:26.23 | jelly-home | oh, most likely true ;-) |
| 05:26.34 | rue_mohr | acu, will you stay up till I get X working? |
| 05:26.37 | rue_mohr | and help? |
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| 05:27.05 | jelly-home | someone will, don't rely on single volunteer |
| 05:27.11 | kmonk | ondrejxo: to be completely honest i just cp'd my system from one hdd to the other, made a few alterations to grub.cfg and fstab and it was good to go. there are probably user-friendly apps that can do this as well but, what do you trust more? your own capabilities or some app. |
| 05:27.42 | rue_mohr | haha no I'm used to being abandoned right when I need ehlp the most |
| 05:27.45 | Dewi | acu: X is a long way from the concerns of the base installer |
| 05:27.59 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg install x |
| 05:28.08 | rue_mohr | hah, you gonna back that? |
| 05:28.11 | rue_mohr | all night? |
| 05:28.12 | Dewi | acu: the only thing the installer does that goes anywhere near it is running 'tasksel' and letting you select a package bundle |
| 05:28.41 | jelly-home | ondrejxo: dd _will_ do the job iff the destination is equal size or larger |
| 05:28.47 | rue_mohr | I'm serious, I'll follow instructions and show you just why they dont work |
| 05:29.04 | rue_mohr | ondrejxo, harddrive-upgrade-howto |
| 05:29.10 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: all night? It's 7am here. |
| 05:29.16 | rue_mohr | is that a yes |
| 05:29.17 | acu | rue_mohr: it may take you 1 to 2 hours - I do not think I will stay so long - I have to sleep too - and here there are round the clock geeks willing to be at hand - the bottom line - do not be to creative - download the http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and while installing - delete first all partitions everything - do not do upgrade |
| 05:30.00 | rue_mohr | its already squeeze |
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| 05:30.03 | jelly-home | ondrejxo: if the disk is dying, look at dd_rescue |
| 05:30.03 | rue_mohr | fresh install |
| 05:30.09 | Dewi | acu: that is seriously overkill, if he hasn't installed X then it's still fresh |
| 05:30.20 | acu | install it clean and it will work - I installed it more than 50 times - and tried it with around 7 webcams - cheese and ekiga are installed with gnome - so you are going to be OK |
| 05:30.43 | rue_mohr | vlc, I need to do network streaming |
| 05:30.44 | Dewi | rue_mohr: acu does have a point that X probably has a lot more hardware magic that might lead you to a solution tho |
| 05:31.05 | acu | vlc is there too |
| 05:31.06 | rue_mohr | I know, I'd gone thru adding X to systems before |
| 05:31.13 | jelly-home | dislikes the windows-style reinstall solution on general principles |
| 05:31.18 | rue_mohr | configuring X is a nightmare to put it nicely |
| 05:31.18 | kmonk | rue_mohr: what's the actual model number of this webcam |
| 05:31.22 | acu | you can just use synaptic or aptitude once gnome is installed |
| 05:31.48 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.52 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.59 | Dewi | jelly-home: not to mention testing/unstable style :P |
| 05:32.15 | jelly-home | Dewi: ? |
| 05:32.52 | acu | rue_mohr: you make me laugh with X configuration - why are you so creative when you do not - Squeeze will recognize and install everything for you - you just need to have basic english knowledge - actually you can use even Romanian if that fits you better :) |
| 05:32.57 | Dewi | jelly-home: well, packages don't have a downgrade path, so getting back to a stable system is often a reinstall scenario |
| 05:33.13 | rue_mohr | acu, if you stay up I'll try it and show you |
| 05:33.13 | ondrejxo | rue_mohr: thats any utility? |
| 05:33.33 | rue_mohr | utility? those are the kernel messages |
| 05:33.55 | rue_mohr | I'v worked out its creating /dev/video0 when I plug the camera in |
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| 05:34.43 | acu | rue_mohr: is too late in here - I may be max 30 minutes - but if you know english and you are not forcing your creativity - you will make it with much ease - Squeeze recognizes everything |
| 05:35.16 | rue_mohr | sorry, I'm a programmer, I dont beleive in automagic |
| 05:35.25 | kmonk | :) |
| 05:35.28 | Dewi | hehe |
| 05:35.32 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 05:35.37 | trim | web programmer? |
| 05:35.42 | trim | hahaha |
| 05:35.43 | rue_mohr | no |
| 05:35.44 | acu | it is obvious - that is why you suffer immensely - and you enjoy it :) |
| 05:35.46 | Dewi | trim: obviously not |
| 05:35.51 | rue_mohr | C all the way |
| 05:35.53 | jpinx-eeepc | maasochist :) |
| 05:35.57 | rue_mohr | accept where assembly is needed |
| 05:36.02 | Dewi | trim: on the web you cannot escape the broken magic |
| 05:36.03 | kmonk | it's either defined, or excluded... cursed black and white digital world! |
| 05:36.03 | trim | yet, 80's C |
| 05:36.13 | jpinx-eeepc | "except" --- and bad english ? |
| 05:36.28 | rue_mohr | been talking on chat programs too long |
| 05:36.37 | acu | is that so ? |
| 05:36.40 | rue_mohr | I goot sloopy |
| 05:36.40 | jpinx-eeepc | no excuse - just lazy |
| 05:37.02 | rue_mohr | yea, too muc to say, no point in saying it exactly right when peopel can understand ya just the same anyhow |
| 05:37.17 | rue_mohr | its about volume, not quality |
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| 05:37.22 | acu | you would have been better downloading 162 mb of daily squeeze - burn it and install it |
| 05:38.00 | jpinx-eeepc | grief - a verbose programmer :( |
| 05:38.01 | simonrvn | quality will get people to understand you more easily and more quickly |
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| 05:38.17 | jpinx-eeepc | no wonder we suffer from bloat ;) |
| 05:38.25 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: o/ |
| 05:38.33 | simonrvn | hey |
| 05:38.41 | sloopy | simonrvn, hey bro, ben a while... |
| 05:38.49 | simonrvn | hello |
| 05:38.51 | kmonk | rue_mohr: you say you compiled your own kernel? |
| 05:39.31 | trim | in linux/bsd world, i compiled every bit in them |
| 05:39.31 | sloopy | rue_mohr, and you do not 'goot' me... |
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| 05:40.00 | rue_mohr | root goal -> take this robot ( http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/rovbot/p1020386.jpg ) with laptop and webcam on it (olde laptop is free) and make it stream video so it can be remotly driven, when system is tested ok, transport to mowerbot ( http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot2/p1020374.jpg ) and remotly mow lawn |
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| 05:40.35 | trim | by hand, not by package managers |
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| 05:40.53 | kmonk | your device is defined at drivers/media/video/gspca/stv06xx/Kconfig fyi make sure it exists in the kernel as a module |
| 05:43.31 | kmonk | i could be way off but damn- if you've been at this for two weeks you say so maybe it's time for "drastic" measures? grab the latest kernel source, define all v4l devices as modules and cross fingers >_< |
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| 05:45.00 | jelly-home | <rue_mohr> STV06xx: HDCS-1020 sensor detected # sounds like it's already there, kmonk |
| 05:45.26 | rue_mohr | never does it mention /dev/videox |
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| 05:46.51 | kmonk | what was that error message again? pixelize something something |
| 05:46.52 | SeySayux | Hi, how do I do a reverse dependency search? |
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| 05:47.13 | rue_mohr | I think this would be easy if a) someone knew how to build mplayer command lines b) anyone know how to use ffserver c) ffmpeg were compilable |
| 05:47.17 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: are you going to modify your package and sell the idea to the white-line painters? ;) |
| 05:47.33 | rue_mohr | no |
| 05:47.34 | acu | rue_mohr: the project is nice - but you are bogged down at the easier step - installing a clean debian squeeze - I did a lot of upgrades from lenny to squeeze - it is not the same - trust me - install from scratch - new squeeze and you can spend your time in making your project useful (by finishing it ) :) most important thing in a project is to finish it :) |
| 05:47.46 | rue_mohr | I want to drive the wifi mowerbot around the yard remotly |
| 05:48.28 | rue_mohr | well if I'm gonna reinstall again I might as well try tasksel first |
| 05:48.33 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: did you now say /dev/video0 exists after the module is loaded? |
| 05:48.36 | jelly-home | not* |
| 05:48.39 | rue_mohr | yes |
| 05:48.41 | SeySayux | Never mind, apt-cache rdepends solved the problem :) |
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| 05:48.57 | rue_mohr | I have the v4l2 and v4l1-compat modules installed |
| 05:49.14 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: so what's keeping you from installing some userspace to test it out? |
| 05:49.28 | rue_mohr | I did't want to have to deal with x |
| 05:49.42 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - can we drive it by ssh? |
| 05:49.48 | rue_mohr | as the laptop I'm using cant handle it |
| 05:49.49 | jelly-home | oh well, then investigate things on your own. |
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| 05:50.06 | rue_mohr | no, I have a message server hub |
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| 05:50.27 | rue_mohr | everything connects t it and does message sharing to control stuff, I use it for hte house automation |
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| 05:50.59 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: did you at least try using v4l-utils to poke around the device? |
| 05:51.12 | rue_mohr | no, lets try that! |
| 05:51.52 | rue_mohr | -dbg? |
| 05:51.59 | jelly-home | ? |
| 05:52.11 | nogo | what? |
| 05:52.22 | jelly-home | !confuse nogo |
| 05:52.22 | dpkg | Yes, who was my hamster tomorrow, nogo? Lederhosen of the Democracy of Tahiti with extra anchovies. |
| 05:52.24 | rue_mohr | I cant list the utils programs without being kicked, what were you thinking I should try with them |
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| 05:52.59 | rue_mohr | recall:/files_loc# v4l2-dbg -d /dev/video0 |
| 05:53.00 | rue_mohr | recall:/files_loc# |
| 05:53.00 | rue_mohr | ? |
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| 05:53.28 | jelly-home | I haven't used any, hopefully there's something to tell you which device is connected and what it's capable of |
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| 05:54.12 | trim | v4l is important to a tv card |
| 05:54.37 | rue_mohr | it dosn't seem to report errors |
| 05:54.38 | trim | i happened to play with it |
| 05:55.11 | jpinx-eeepc | !v4l |
| 05:55.11 | dpkg | "Video For Linux" (Video4Linux, V4L) is a video capture <API>. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/What_is_V4L_or_DVB%3F http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.exploits.org/v4l . See also <dvb>. |
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| 05:57.52 | acu | !v4l2 |
| 05:57.53 | dpkg | "Video For Linux" (Video4Linux, V4L) is a video capture <API>. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/What_is_V4L_or_DVB%3F http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.exploits.org/v4l . See also <dvb>. |
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| 06:18.52 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 06:19.31 | trim | hi |
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| 06:21.02 | croddy | okay, i've reached the limit of my google-fu. how can i LIST the build dependencies of a package? |
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| 06:21.44 | simonrvn | apt-cache showsrc ? |
| 06:21.56 | simonrvn | see, you rtfm, not google |
| 06:22.01 | croddy | thank you |
| 06:22.04 | simonrvn | np |
| 06:22.21 | simonrvn | enjoy |
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| 06:24.14 | trim | i will drew a graph by using configire |
| 06:24.18 | trim | and docs |
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| 06:25.07 | trim | i don't trust the package manager and these WIZARDS (bloat people) |
| 06:26.33 | sussudio | wonders where mkboot went |
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| 06:39.18 | marshallmc | wrong channel |
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| 06:41.04 | ShapeShifter499 | hi again |
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| 06:43.09 | ShapeShifter499 | I've got java working but it only works in one browser, iceweasle . In the other browser google chrome, it shows up in its list of plugins, and on the java test page but doesn't load anything(so far) except for the java test applet. why is this and how do I fix this? |
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| 06:44.00 | sussudio | chrome is in debian? |
| 06:44.26 | ShapeShifter499 | ya just download the deb file from the google chrome page |
| 06:44.36 | ShapeShifter499 | it worked for me |
| 06:44.53 | sussudio | so, it's not in debian then. |
| 06:45.11 | ShapeShifter499 | ohh you mean the repo |
| 06:45.14 | ShapeShifter499 | no then |
| 06:45.20 | sussudio | seems like a question for chrome |
| 06:45.36 | ShapeShifter499 | um |
| 06:45.52 | ShapeShifter499 | is there a irc channel? |
| 06:45.56 | sussudio | shrugs |
| 06:46.19 | sussudio | there's that alternative to chrome.. ironsomething |
| 06:46.28 | sussudio | not sure if it's in debian. |
| 06:47.14 | sussudio | it wouldn't surprise me if java is disabled by default, btw, for security reasons. |
| 06:47.15 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm... |
| 06:47.42 | ShapeShifter499 | everything is enabled and java test page sees the plugin on chrome |
| 06:47.54 | ShapeShifter499 | just nothing else will load in that browser |
| 06:48.23 | sussudio | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48550 < first google result for "debian chrome java" |
| 06:48.51 | sussudio | looks like you have to enable plugins. |
| 06:49.27 | ShapeShifter499 | no cuz flash works fine in chrome |
| 06:49.44 | sussudio | there's a howto there. |
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| 06:52.22 | ShapeShifter499 | sussudio, are you talking about iron---> http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php |
| 06:52.24 | Dewi | ShapeShifter499: if the test applet loads, it sounds like it's installed |
| 06:52.36 | sussudio | ShapeShifter499: yes. |
| 06:52.39 | ShapeShifter499 | dewi: I know |
| 06:53.02 | ShapeShifter499 | dewi: java works fully on iceweasle but not on chrome |
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| 06:56.19 | Dewi | ShapeShifter499: http://superuser.com/questions/44827/java-support-for-linux-google-chrome ? |
| 06:56.45 | Dewi | (actually, that's pretty similar to the other link. Sorry) |
| 06:57.44 | Dewi | ShapeShifter499: are you using package sun-java6-jre for your java? |
| 06:58.16 | ShapeShifter499 | dewi: yes |
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| 06:58.40 | Dewi | ShapeShifter499: I'm out of ideas :/ |
| 06:59.29 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
| 06:59.53 | rue_mohr | I think I'm gonna look at using http://www.theora.org/ that codec to make a v4l network streamer, where can I get the best information on making a debian package? |
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| 07:03.26 | eztop | is there a bug with it? |
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| 07:48.01 | olebrum | Can I get aptitude to primarily search for dependency resolutions only involving pagackage upgrades? |
| 07:48.06 | jrz | hi guys.. I'm having some troubles updating my system |
| 07:48.24 | jrz | aptitude update +upgrade tell me I have 0 packages to update |
| 07:48.51 | Kohvihoor | are you sure you have packages to update? |
| 07:48.54 | jrz | My sources are deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free (stable was lenny, but I changed it) |
| 07:49.39 | jrz | Kohvihoor: yeah.. I should have a newer rubygems.. also, many other packages should be upgraded (haven't done an upgrade lattely) |
| 07:49.40 | olebrum | I mean.. it just sugested removal of 30 packages and leaving 55 deps unresolved as a first suggestion. Second suggestion: install one,a nd upgrade 3 ... |
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| 07:51.46 | Kohvihoor | jrz: i dont use aptitude myself, but try apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade, maybe? |
| 07:51.56 | jrz | done that.. same result |
| 07:52.04 | jrz | I see rubygems should be installed from source; http://help.rubygems.org/faqs/rubygems/rubygems-upgrade-issues |
| 07:53.36 | Kohvihoor | what's your version of rubygems? |
| 07:53.47 | jrz | 1.2 |
| 07:54.00 | Kohvihoor | 1.2.0-3? |
| 07:54.16 | Fjorgynn | apt-get update |
| 07:54.23 | Kohvihoor | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/rubygems |
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| 07:55.28 | Kohvihoor | jrz: maybe you already have the latest? |
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| 08:15.15 | dutchfish | jrz: wasnt the sequence update & dist-upgrade ? |
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| 08:16.18 | dutchfish | oh yes, a very happy birthday Debian ! |
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| 08:19.29 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 08:19.45 | AlexC_ | I got a notification that one of our servers was down yesterday, looking at the logs this morning I see this: http://paste2.org/p/952216 |
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| 08:20.05 | AlexC_ | many many entries of this, spanning for 50 minutes worth. What could have caused this? |
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| 08:20.40 | AlexC_ | the server was sort of accessible, though very slowly. HTTP was working but unable to SSH in |
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| 08:22.21 | dutchfish | AlexC_: maybe this helps? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525296 |
| 08:23.07 | streuner_ | !dbugs 525296 |
| 08:23.11 | dpkg | DONE:#525296:N[linux-image-2.6.26-1-686] Cannot set tg3 interface to full duplex (); Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:30:04 UTC [] |
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| 08:24.08 | fluxdude | my debian box is running in a VirtualBox VM and I removed a snapshot so it merged it back in and now when I start the VM the gdm login manager is tiny in the centre of the screen, the ttys are fine, but the X display, whether logged in or in gdm it only appears in a little rectangle in the centre of the screen |
| 08:24.30 | fluxdude | even aptitude uninstall gdm xorg && aptitude install gdm xorg hasn't fixed it.... |
| 08:24.32 | fluxdude | any ideas? |
| 08:26.00 | AlexC_ | dutchfish: streuner_ not sure, doing 'ethtool eth0' shows full duplex, but speed at 10Mb/s. But, surely this bug would have been apparant from the start? It was only yesteday this happened |
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| 08:26.57 | dutchfish | AlexC_: sinc ei dont know what your switch supports, i gues 10mb/s is not correct is it? |
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| 08:27.14 | fluxdude | oh, I can't believe it, tailing the X log and then ctrl-alt-backspace it came back ok, even though I spent an hour doing that last night, must have killed it 5 times and it never came back properly... |
| 08:27.55 | AlexC_ | dutchfish: no, we can support 1000Mb/s - just like one of our other internal servers here is showing |
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| 08:27.56 | dutchfish | AlexC_: some nics have problems with the tg3 and autoneg on 100/1000mbps, forcing it to it might help (man interfaces) |
| 08:28.25 | dutchfish | AlexC_: i meant forcing it to full-duplex (that is if your switch does support it) |
| 08:28.55 | dutchfish | AlexC_: i have seen this behavior on many nics that use tg3 |
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| 08:29.40 | AlexC_ | dutchfish: as far as I know it does, other servers here are all reporting full duplex @ 1000mbs. I'm just confused as to why this has suddenly started as it's been fine for ages. Possibly due to high-load on the server, tried to burst to a higher speed? I'll check the man page now |
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| 08:30.20 | dutchfish | AlexC_: it is prolly a driver issue, what kernel are you curently running? |
| 08:30.31 | AlexC_ | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 08:30.45 | dutchfish | nods |
| 08:30.50 | AlexC_ | all up to date 5.0.5 |
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| 08:32.38 | AlexC_ | btw, how the hell can I turn off these flipping balloons? Impossible to read bug reports with them flying up the screen |
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| 08:35.48 | jpinx-eeepc | passes AlexC_ a pin |
| 08:36.26 | dondelelcaro | if you turn of javascript, they'll go away |
| 08:36.31 | dondelelcaro | they'll also go away tomorrow |
| 08:36.46 | AlexC_ | as do other things that I need JavaScript for |
| 08:37.10 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 08:37.19 | AlexC_ | it's a really annoying and pointless idea whos ever it was, it would be ok if you could stop them. But hey |
| 08:37.26 | jpinx-eeepc | AlexC_: using noscript allows you to be selective |
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| 08:37.57 | AlexC_ | assuming Firefox, yeah |
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| 08:38.11 | jpinx-eeepc | AlexC_: swiftfox in my case |
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| 08:40.27 | AlexC_ | dutchfish: you around for 1 more quick question regarding it? |
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| 08:46.25 | yashi- | if i copy something to an usbstick...the terminal says after sometime that its done.. at least it exits the copy order...but the copy process isnt finished. why is that? |
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| 08:47.11 | Dewi | yashi-: it might not be finished if the stick's filesystem is mounted with write cache |
| 08:47.17 | jpinx-eeepc | yashi-: sync-ing possibly |
| 08:47.21 | kooll | yashi-: first, what makes you think it's not finished ? |
| 08:47.44 | yashi- | kooll: 200mb in 3secs? no xD |
| 08:48.20 | Arrowmaster | that sounds perfectly possible |
| 08:48.39 | Dewi | yashi-: if you don't like it you can mount with -o sync |
| 08:48.47 | yashi- | this usbstick is damn slow |
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| 08:48.55 | yashi- | Dewi: ok thx |
| 08:48.59 | Dewi | yashi-: but generally as long as you umount properly before yanking, it will be fine |
| 08:49.23 | Dewi | yashi-: note that -o sync will reduce speed and potentially stick lifetime |
| 08:49.49 | yashi- | Dewi: i know, but its ugly if the console says copying done everything should be on the stick |
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| 08:50.04 | Dewi | yashi-: no, that's how it works |
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| 08:50.19 | Dewi | yashi-: flash memory is constructed out of blocks |
| 08:50.33 | Dewi | yashi-: to write a single byte, it needs to erase a whole block |
| 08:50.51 | jpinx-eeepc | yashi-: it *has* finished copying, but it hasn't finished sync-ing |
| 08:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | yashi-, you can be sure everything is written after you unmounted the stick... until then, things can be buffered |
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| 08:51.00 | Dewi | yashi-: with async, it can optimize block erasure |
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| 08:51.22 | Dewi | yashi-: if you disable that write buffer, you are doing more wear to your disk, slowing things down and reducing lifespan |
| 08:51.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually, watching my stick, it seems that it doesn't buffer a lot but finishes copying |
| 08:51.29 | yashi- | how does windows handle it? |
| 08:51.30 | Dewi | yashi-: all modern computer equipment syncs in this way |
| 08:51.42 | Dewi | yashi-: windows enables write caching by default, just like linux |
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| 08:52.04 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: it seems to vary. I own some sticks that seem to buffer more than others, dunno why |
| 08:52.08 | yashi- | but i can pull out the stick after it says copying done :/ |
| 08:52.19 | Dewi | yashi-: no, you should never pull out anything without unmounting |
| 08:52.29 | Dewi | yashi-: this is why windows has the "safely remove device" option in the system tray |
| 08:52.39 | Dewi | yashi-: you should do the same in linux |
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| 08:52.45 | yashi- | Dewi: i dont, but it usually never fails |
| 08:52.49 | AlexC_ | Windows seems to handle it differently, I remember in XP you can just pull it out |
| 08:52.53 | Dewi | yashi-: that's down to luck |
| 08:53.00 | Dewi | AlexC_: that has never been safe |
| 08:53.11 | Dewi | unless you mounted the device with write caching off |
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| 08:53.20 | Dewi | and even then, who knows what some process might be doing |
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| 08:53.35 | jpinx-eeepc | you can get lucky in windoz or linux, but it's silly to cause trouble |
| 08:53.37 | Leroy | AlexC_: you can, but your not suppose to. in xp it has safely remove hardware tray icon/service |
| 08:53.37 | Dewi | lots of programs (MS Word for example) continue to hit devices after you think they are done |
| 08:54.25 | yashi- | Dewi: i always unmount the drives but 99% of all windows user dont and they wouldnt do it if they ever had problems :/ |
| 08:54.41 | yashi- | thats what makes me wonder |
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| 08:54.54 | Dewi | yashi-: well, sync usually occurs quite quickly, within a few seconds |
| 08:54.54 | AlexC_ | Dewi: as said, Windows handles it differently |
| 08:55.01 | Leroy | they do have problems. people like us have to fix them. :( |
| 08:55.03 | Dewi | AlexC_: in what way? |
| 08:55.10 | AlexC_ | Dewi: in how it syncs |
| 08:55.26 | Dewi | AlexC_: not really |
| 08:55.48 | Dewi | AlexC_: unless you are talking about specific synced filesystems like the camera and media ones |
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| 08:56.14 | AlexC_ | I have often seen in Windows you can just pull it, all data will be there 100%. Often in a Linux based OS, you pull it and you'll have missing data - due to the cache. Sure, I'm not saying you *should* pull it, as that is incorrect. I'm simply saying they handle it differently, and with Windows it seems to have less of an effect |
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| 08:56.55 | Arrowmaster | thats actually a setting in windows you can change |
| 08:56.55 | jpinx-eeepc | AlexC_: you've been lucky - nothing else |
| 08:56.55 | Leroy | word |
| 08:57.03 | Dewi | AlexC_: actually I'd say you'd be more likely to have problems in windows since it does way more automatic I/O |
| 08:57.17 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: yes, and in linux it's called mount -o sync |
| 08:57.42 | Arrowmaster | right its just a difference in defaults |
| 08:57.43 | AlexC_ | Dewi: you can say all you wish, experiance in seeing it overrides that thought |
| 08:57.53 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: both tend to have async on by default |
| 08:57.53 | dutchfish | AlexC_: i am sorry, i was afk for a while |
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| 08:58.15 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: I think some devices windows turns it off by default, but I dunno the rules. Maybe if the device USB flags have "removeable" = true? |
| 08:58.25 | yashi- | i dont know how the cache works, but maybe windows copying bar just includes the time it takes to write the cache properly on the device |
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| 08:58.33 | AlexC_ | dutchfish: no worries. Doing 'mii-tool -v eth0' shows 'capabilities' and 'advertising'. I'm wondering if you know the difference? |
| 08:58.51 | Dewi | AlexC_: the plural of anecdote is not data. Why don't you control the variables and do a double-blind scientific study and come back to me |
| 08:58.58 | Arrowmaster | Dewi: i think thats it, but somehow it can remember it for each device |
| 08:59.13 | Dewi | yashi-: depends on the windows version |
| 08:59.19 | dutchfish | AlexC_: advertising is used for autoneg the others are the nics capabilitites |
| 08:59.22 | Dewi | yashi-: XP synced, vista originally didn't, then they added it back |
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| 08:59.43 | AlexC_ | Dewi: because this argument is pointless - I said Windows handles it differently, you've already proven this yet still want me to provide proof? |
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| 09:00.10 | Dewi | AlexC_: because broadly, they are the same |
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| 09:00.22 | AlexC_ | dutchfish: advertising is what it could use in this network then, capabilities is what the NIC its self can support? |
| 09:00.24 | Dewi | AlexC_: it's not safe in either system to yank mounted filesystems |
| 09:00.35 | Dewi | AlexC_: to argue otherwise is encouraging data loss, and for what reason? |
| 09:00.52 | Dewi | AlexC_: both systems have unmount facilities and encourage their use |
| 09:00.55 | AlexC_ | Dewi: of course, and I agree. All I'm saying is they handle it differently, Windows allowing you to yank it out and cause no issues in the vast majority of times - something I've seen time and time again |
| 09:01.07 | themill | AlexC_: I've seen plenty of cases where people have yanked a usb disk on windows and then been quite upset to be missing files. |
| 09:01.30 | dutchfish | AlexC_: yes, if autoneg doesnt work properly you can both switch and adapter to force a full duplex mode |
| 09:01.45 | AlexC_ | themill: the same, but far far less in Windows |
| 09:01.51 | Dewi | AlexC_: actually the last 2 times I received a USB device from a windows user, the filesystems were wrong and I had to specifically dismount and remount on a windows box to replay a journal |
| 09:02.03 | jpinx-eeepc | AlexC_: people who use debian tend to be more careful so there is less evidence of corruption in yaked devices in debian |
| 09:02.15 | Arrowmaster | Dewi: journal? huh? what? |
| 09:02.16 | AlexC_ | dutchfish: excellent, thanks :) I restarted the network on this machine and it's now running at 1000Mb/s @ full duplex. no idea how that got down to 10Mb/s |
| 09:02.29 | yashi- | Dewi:i had that issue too, but windows still can handle the stick without problems |
| 09:02.33 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: yes, the last few writes didn't hit the metadata layer and were only in the journal |
| 09:02.35 | Arrowmaster | Dewi: were they using ntfs or something on a flash drive? |
| 09:02.44 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: it wasn't a flash drive |
| 09:02.47 | Arrowmaster | oh |
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| 09:03.05 | Arrowmaster | removable harddrives yeah ntfs would be the norm for windows users |
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| 09:03.17 | Dewi | but you still don't want to use flash drives sync because of the block erase issue |
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| 09:03.23 | dutchfish | AlexC_: anyhting can happen with that on tg3, not to good cables, inductive spikes on autoneg, overloaded switch etc etc, it simply sometimes fails on tg3 |
| 09:03.30 | AlexC_ | jpinx-eeepc: the evidence I've got is my own experiance of doing it, no stats. I really can't be bothered to continue this discussion of what we've already concluded - they handle it differently. |
| 09:03.48 | AlexC_ | dutchfish: ah ok, interesting. Thanks :) |
| 09:03.55 | dutchfish | AlexC_: yw |
| 09:04.12 | Arrowmaster | yes they do handle it different, one defaults to sync and the other defaults to async |
| 09:04.24 | Arrowmaster | but they can both be changed to either way |
| 09:04.24 | Dewi | no, both default to sync in a lot of cases |
| 09:04.37 | Dewi | I think it might be the removable flag |
| 09:04.44 | yashi- | omg what have i started xD |
| 09:04.51 | Dewi | which differs hugely between flash disks |
| 09:05.07 | Dewi | sorry, meant async then |
| 09:05.47 | Dewi | but yes, linux *does* give you more power to shoot yourself in the foot |
| 09:05.57 | Dewi | that's what it comes down to, but that's what power *means* |
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| 09:09.43 | Dewi | ooh! |
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| 09:10.08 | Dewi | yashi-: thought of a solution you might like more or hate more! It's a bit evil hehe: PROMPT_COMMAND='sync' |
| 09:10.32 | Dewi | yashi-: every time bash prints a prompt, it syncs all I/O first, like MS-DOS used to do |
| 09:10.39 | ronr | hi, I keep getting an error unknown filesystem selinuxfs, by now I installed pretty much everything apt-cache search selinux returned and I upgrade my kernel (up-to-date testing right now), where the .... can I find the kernel module for selinuxfs? |
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| 09:11.19 | Dewi | yashi-: (but you keep the benefits of caching during operations) |
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| 09:13.00 | Dewi | eep, bugs.debian.org is covered in balloons |
| 09:13.36 | jpinx-eeepc | dunno who put those balloons in there, but everyone haes them |
| 09:13.40 | Dewi | ronr: is this just a message in boot? |
| 09:14.12 | ronr | Dewi: nope, while trying to install some third party propiery software |
| 09:14.27 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: they look great! and then 10 seconds later, I have to close the window, too annoying |
| 09:14.43 | Dewi | ronr: are you actually using selinuxfs? |
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| 09:15.21 | ronr | Dewi: well, I did install everything selinux related afaik... do I need to activate it after that? |
| 09:15.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: I use noscript to turn them off ;) |
| 09:16.19 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: haha actually I take it back, they render outside the viewport causing scrollbars to constantly change. Nasty. |
| 09:16.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah that is nasty |
| 09:17.15 | Dewi | ronr: sorry, dunno |
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| 09:17.41 | ronr | Dewi: I'll dig some more into the selinux docs, thx anyway |
| 09:17.57 | Arrowmaster | and on that thank.debian.net page it causes the links to bounce all around since they are aligned to the right of the page |
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| 09:18.24 | g0rd0n | hi there |
| 09:18.49 | g0rd0n | i need the previous version of the libi18n-ruby1.8 pacakge for squeeze, since the newest one breaks redmine... where can i download it from? |
| 09:19.12 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: haha, yeah. I just feel bad for the designer who obviously did a nice job with the icon and alpha blending etc :P |
| 09:20.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah its a nice enough page except for the addthis.com crap on it |
| 09:20.14 | g0rd0n | more specifically, i need libi18n-ruby1.8_0.3.6-1_all.deb |
| 09:20.14 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: JS crashes out in IE BTW :D |
| 09:20.18 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 09:20.25 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: I just had to check |
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| 09:20.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Arrowmaster: even with the addthis crap disallowed it is terrible |
| 09:21.14 | Danielss89 | Hi, i have a ftp user which have access to a folder called /subdomains. Now i dont want him to be able to access this folder. I've chowned the folder to root, but that didnt help. |
| 09:21.21 | Danielss89 | Should i chmod it or something? |
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| 09:21.37 | jpinx-eeepc | random scrolling lateral and vertical |
| 09:23.30 | Dewi | Danielss89: try chmod go-rwx |
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| 09:23.50 | Dewi | Danielss89: which means "group and other remove read, write, execute/browse" |
| 09:24.03 | Dewi | Danielss89: which should just leave the owning user (root) with access |
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| 09:26.17 | jelly-one | Hi, how do I switch off the %$#@ baloons on bts? |
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| 09:27.18 | AlexC_ | hunt down the developer |
| 09:27.26 | petemc | disable javascript? |
| 09:27.39 | jelly-one | ... |
| 09:27.43 | AlexC_ | more humane I guess |
| 09:27.48 | jelly-one | not a bad idea |
| 09:28.34 | AlexC_ | it is a bad idea, a site shouldn't make us change our browser settings due to developer mess up =) |
| 09:28.43 | jelly-one | still, they could have used a cookie to mean "yes I've seen the fucking baloons, now PLEASE let me read my grub RC bug" |
| 09:28.57 | AlexC_ | agreed |
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| 09:29.15 | jpinx-eeepc | it's a shocker - look at the source |
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| 09:30.43 | Fudge | hi how can i install syslinux and memtest86+ on lenny ppc |
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| 09:34.06 | holycow | hey guys |
| 09:34.06 | holycow | i have a totally hosed pg install on a deb box. how do i remove pg so that dpkg 'forgets' about it? all of the dpkg commands fail and manually removing all files still means dpkg remembers it being installed |
| 09:34.06 | holycow | any tips? |
| 09:34.25 | Danielss89 | Dewi.. wow.. im dumb... now i just found out that i want to give apache the rights to use it, but just not the ftp user called xxx |
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| 09:36.29 | jelly-one | holycow, you want to purge all the relevant packages, using either dpkg --purge or aptitude purge or apt-get --purge remove with package names as parameters |
| 09:36.37 | jrz | ugh... sqlite3-ruby only supports sqlite3 versions 3.6.16+ :( |
| 09:36.44 | jelly-one | !tell holycow about confmiss |
| 09:36.59 | holycow | yeah none of those workd |
| 09:37.02 | holycow | dpkg -a fails too |
| 09:37.03 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, holycow |
| 09:37.26 | holycow | oh confmiss, i didn't know about that ;() |
| 09:37.30 | holycow | :) trying danke! |
| 09:37.33 | jelly-one | holycow: pastebin the output and the complete command you used for dpkg --purge ... |
| 09:37.57 | jelly-one | holycow, wait. I mentioned that only to show you what happens if you delete config files. |
| 09:38.40 | holycow | oh, okay, danke |
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| 09:40.09 | Fudge | ok, well does someone know how I couold use debian to install a dd from a ppc lenny install ive customized onto other ppc machines here? |
| 09:40.26 | Fudge | some kind of ppc debian that brings up ssh so i can dd that way ? |
| 09:41.18 | jelly-one | Fudge: well any livecd would do, not necessarily debian |
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| 09:41.50 | Fudge | yes, does debian do a livecd? |
| 09:41.59 | jacekowski | kind of |
| 09:42.03 | Fudge | :) |
| 09:42.13 | Fudge | my prob a bit is that esspeak is broken on ppc so I cant use orca |
| 09:42.14 | jacekowski | but not really |
| 09:42.27 | Fudge | knoppix I can use but I dont know if that does ppc, ill go ask them |
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| 09:44.18 | Fudge | its not hard how ever if u know a root pw to su up then apt-get install -y ssh i know and scan for the ip but kinda hoping for something bit simpler, like one with ssh enabled |
| 09:44.32 | Fudge | not atht i mean to state the obvious to you guys |
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| 09:45.23 | jacekowski | well, init=/bin/bash |
| 09:45.26 | jacekowski | and you don't need a pw |
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| 09:46.28 | jrz | mm can anybody help me getting my system up to date? |
| 09:47.08 | jacekowski | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 09:48.13 | moldovean | Fudge, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/powerpc/iso/ |
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| 09:48.19 | jrz | jacekowski: I get 0 packages |
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| 09:48.36 | jrz | jacekowski: but I know it's out of date (old sqlite3 libs for example) |
| 09:48.51 | jrz | http://pastebin.com/4PrK1t3s |
| 09:49.09 | jrz | that's my sources list |
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| 09:49.41 | jacekowski | jrz: debian is ussualy little bit behind |
| 09:49.47 | jacekowski | jrz: try dist-upgrade |
| 09:50.21 | jrz | jacekowski: distupgrade also doesn'tupgrade anything |
| 09:50.30 | jacekowski | then there is nothing to upgrade |
| 09:50.59 | jrz | jacekowski: I know debian is a bit behind, but... ehhh wait lol I'm running ubuntu |
| 09:51.06 | jrz | rofl |
| 09:51.15 | jrz | well, should be the same.. right? |
| 09:51.29 | AlexC_ | no |
| 09:51.34 | jacekowski | why are you asking question in #debian? |
| 09:51.44 | jacekowski | so, well i have problem with my windows |
| 09:51.51 | Fudge | nice thanks, didnt realise there was a lxde ver too |
| 09:51.56 | jrz | I'm sure I installed debian on that box |
| 09:52.28 | AlexC_ | jrz: you're going to make a great sysadmin |
| 09:52.36 | jrz | thanks =) |
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| 09:53.18 | holycow | how does dpkg store its data? i wonder if one could manually remove the files plus remove the package entry ...*hmm* i just can't get pguninstalled / purged |
| 09:53.59 | jelly-one | holycow: you don't want to do that. |
| 09:54.16 | Fudge | anyone familiar much with lxde vs xfce? these are 400mhz machines |
| 09:54.23 | holycow | jelly-one: *nod* probably |
| 09:54.27 | jelly-one | holycow: pastebin what was asked for, instead, and see if someone helps with uninstalling issues |
| 09:54.43 | holycow | oh sorry missed that sec |
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| 09:55.15 | jrz | Nope.. it's debian |
| 09:55.29 | jrz | but my dmesg talks about a ubntu kernel ( Box from rackspace cloud) |
| 09:56.11 | holycow | sorry about the miscommunication, here is the pastebing of the purge attempt: http://pastebin.ca/1918035 |
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| 09:57.39 | yashi- | Fudge: the problem isnt really the windowmanager the problem are the everyday programs itself (firefox,flash and so on) |
| 09:58.07 | jelly-one | holycow: install postgresql-common back |
| 09:58.07 | Fudge | arent there always alternatives packaged though with these isos? |
| 09:58.39 | jelly-one | holycow: have you gone and deleted the files it's complaining about? |
| 09:59.23 | holycow | aaaaaaand reading the actual error message means all i had to do is reisntall the dependencies *sigh* ... i need to stop doing this at 3 am |
| 09:59.28 | Fudge | 6a2 would downstream be ubuntu maverick alpha2? |
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| 09:59.35 | yashi- | Fudge: im not sure what you are refering to, i meant 400mhz aint enough for flash or firefox.. well it will work but it wont be fun |
| 09:59.46 | Fudge | sorry yashi- plz say that again |
| 09:59.51 | holycow | jelly-one: yeah i did after dpkg refused to remove pg for some reason i thought i could manually remove the files,clearly not |
| 09:59.53 | holycow | thanks! |
| 10:00.01 | yashi- | Fudge: im not sure what you are refering to, i meant 400mhz aint enough for flash or firefox.. well it will work but it wont be fun |
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| 10:00.34 | Fudge | oh oh :D |
| 10:00.34 | jelly-one | holycow: yeah, do NOT delete files belonging to a package without knowing what you're doing |
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| 10:00.44 | Fudge | sorry yashi- jsut as I heard your nick i pushed neter on /clear |
| 10:01.12 | yashi- | np |
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| 10:02.40 | Fudge | oh ill have to check if these other computers have dvd roms in them as these images are over a gig |
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| 10:04.28 | Fudge | would be nice if i could jsut get syslinux and memtest75+ to somehow install or parse some aptitude command to tell remastersys to ignore them so i can isntall it :D |
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| 10:11.54 | Danielss89 | I have a svn hook, that i would like to check if it is being called. Can i send a message to the syslog or something from the file? |
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| 10:13.42 | holycow | jelly-one: thanks for your help, greatly appreciate it |
| 10:14.18 | lppe | What must i adjust to connect from extern via ssh on my openssh server? |
| 10:15.57 | RichiH | if by "extern" you mean "from the internet to my home server": set up dyndns & port forwarding |
| 10:16.55 | AlexC_ | Danielss89: touch a file instead? |
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| 10:21.50 | Rockj | Happy birthday #Debian ! NB: You should really add an option under thanks.debian.net to thanks everyone and not only one selected team/maintainer ;-] |
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| 10:23.08 | AlexC_ | and an option for balloons :P |
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| 10:27.57 | DarenWade | hi |
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| 10:40.06 | AlexC_ | when allowing remote users to login via SSH - what sort of security procedures should I use to protect my system more? I don't mean to secure SSH, but to secure the system - are there files I should remove 'other' read access from, binaries I should stop them having access to etc etc? |
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| 10:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, look ath the packages that you get with apt-cache search harden |
| 10:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | harden-doc probably can keep you busy for a year, depending on how serious you want to be (although I haven't looked in there for a long time) |
| 10:43.07 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: interesting! Thanks, harden-tools sounds interesting as well |
| 10:43.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, but of course that will be inside and outside security |
| 10:43.53 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: that's ok, the more I can learn about security the better. I'm slowly giving up on chroot SSH and want to just get the system properly secured instead |
| 10:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, read carefully... every increase in security usually goes hand in hand with removal of some functionality, else the things would be the default... |
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| 10:44.41 | AlexC_ | indeed, I'll be careful |
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| 10:45.26 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: do you have a favorite shell you get people to use with SSH or just go with bash? |
| 10:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, you might also look at tripwire (bit old, not sure if there's a modern replacement and what it is), chkrootkit and possibly debsums |
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| 10:47.04 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed to check for root kits. One thing, little things like users being able to read /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/default/useradd etc etc - is that something I should actually worry about? |
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| 10:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... I think I wouldn't... |
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| 10:54.58 | tom453642356 | hello i have problem with Intel G45 Graphics |
| 10:55.07 | tom453642356 | it is defaulting to dvi output, i want to force it to use VGA |
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| 10:57.45 | kri5 | Hello there |
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| 10:58.15 | kri5 | i wanted to know if it's possible to share my display throught a network projector under debian? |
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| 11:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | tom453642356, doesn't it either send on both or detect which one has something plugged in and give output on that one? |
| 11:07.30 | aleray | hi, how can I remove a packages and all its other-unused dependancies ? |
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| 11:08.36 | aleray | oups sorry seems like it is doen automatically |
| 11:08.46 | tom453642356 | CutMe: The problem is i have a vga KVM. if i plug vga monitor directly into computer it works perfectly |
| 11:09.11 | tom453642356 | CutMe: But i want to force VGA output, if i have KVM plugged in graphics driver defaults to dvi |
| 11:09.57 | rozie | tom453642356: you should be able to change it in bios |
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| 11:10.26 | tom453642356 | rozie: the bios and grub both default to vga |
| 11:10.35 | tom453642356 | but when i start ubuntu the screen goes blank |
| 11:10.42 | tom453642356 | because it doesn't recognise kvm i guess |
| 11:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | tom453642356, hm, look at this: http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-iii-xorgconf.html |
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| 11:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | tom453642356, make an xorg.conf with "X -configure", then edit it ... |
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| 11:11.57 | rozie | tom453642356: or it uses some resolution not supported by kvm |
| 11:13.10 | tom453642356 | rozie that may be possible |
| 11:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure I understand that, though... it's using the same bus id... only "identifier" differs and I always thought that's just a label |
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| 11:15.02 | tom453642356 | i will try cutme xorg conf file Section "ServerLayout" |
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| 11:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | tom453642356, looks like you just have several "device" entries in xorg with the same PCI-id and they then become assigned to the different outlets? |
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| 11:18.24 | tom453642356 | i have updated xorg.conf and now will reboot computer |
| 11:18.27 | tom453642356 | brb |
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| 11:19.40 | AlexC_ | why would Debian ship with a package that simply can't be used on Debian 5.0.x? Referring to "bastille" here |
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| 11:20.24 | abrotman | AlexC_: more details? |
| 11:20.55 | AlexC_ | abrotman: "'DB5.0' is not a supported operating system." |
| 11:21.13 | abrotman | is there more context? to me that means the DB backend? |
| 11:21.26 | AlexC_ | DeBian 5.0 |
| 11:21.45 | themill | !debugs 592137 |
| 11:21.48 | themill | !dbugs 592137 |
| 11:21.52 | dpkg | #592137:N[wnpp] RFH: bastille -- Security hardening tool (); Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:15:02 UTC [] |
| 11:21.55 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524599 .. is that yours? |
| 11:22.12 | abrotman | !dbugs 524599 |
| 11:22.16 | dpkg | #524599:G[bastille] bastille -c says not a supported operating system (); Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:45:02 UTC [] |
| 11:22.27 | abrotman | !dbugs 581444 |
| 11:22.29 | abrotman | and that one |
| 11:22.31 | dpkg | #581444:I[bastille] fails to install and run properly (); Thu, 13 May 2010 03:03:02 UTC [] |
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| 11:22.45 | AlexC_ | let me read passed the fricking balloons ... |
| 11:22.59 | abrotman | yeah, they need a 'transparent' mode |
| 11:23.21 | AlexC_ | that's the bug yes, however not the full report that I had seen a few years ago |
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| 11:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh? why did he reboot?! |
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| 11:25.53 | AlexC_ | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510884 this is the report I have seen. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510884#35 even says it's fixed |
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| 11:26.20 | AlexC_ | though in unstable, which is annoying |
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| 11:27.43 | abrotman | AlexC_: well, you could backport it yourself, not sure what other issues that might cause |
| 11:27.51 | abrotman | AlexC_: what about selinux or grsec stuff? |
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| 11:29.52 | AlexC_ | abrotman: a little OTT and different to what I'm after. I'm more after ideas on how to harden the security of this system from remote users (i.e SSH). As in what to remove permissions from etc |
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| 11:30.12 | abrotman | yeah, i know .. i wasn't sure your ultimate goal |
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| 11:30.34 | AlexC_ | I've come to the conclusuon that chroot SSH is a pain, why they can't make chroot far more easier I do not know, so I'm looking to just secure it more |
| 11:30.49 | tom5623456453 | hello i had no luck with xorg.conf |
| 11:30.56 | AlexC_ | for example, I have no idea if I should be concerned if they can read /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/default/useradd etc |
| 11:31.02 | tom5623456453 | i think i know what happens with intel driver: |
| 11:31.22 | tom5623456453 | if intel graphics chip can't detect monitor edid, it assumes no monitor connected |
| 11:31.41 | tom5623456453 | is there a way to override that |
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| 11:31.57 | abrotman | AlexC_: you mean the ssh users? that depends on what you think they might be able to do with it .. though a regular user can execute /sbin/ifconfig anyways (and 'ip' |
| 11:32.37 | AlexC_ | abrotman: indeed, that's the thing - I don't know if they should be able to do so |
| 11:33.06 | abrotman | AlexC_: well, the harm is they know your network config .. is this a horrible thing on your system? |
| 11:33.07 | AlexC_ | and then I don't know if it breaks something if I remove 'other' read permission |
| 11:33.28 | abrotman | i mean .. i could just use links2 and whatismyip.com or whatever it is to get the IP (or DNS lookups) |
| 11:33.42 | AlexC_ | abrotman: in a sense yes, there aer hundreds of IPs on this server we wouldn't want them to know of |
| 11:33.58 | abrotman | but ... why? |
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| 11:34.20 | abrotman | they already know one IP .. |
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| 11:34.27 | AlexC_ | because they are part of something I can't discuss (though not anything illegal) |
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| 11:34.51 | abrotman | thinks AlexC_ works for secret wal-mart people! Men In Blue! |
| 11:34.58 | AlexC_ | :P |
| 11:36.00 | abrotman | i guess i was asking why you wouldn't want them to know the other IPs .. For security reasons, to keep them from trying to brute force the other IPs' software? |
| 11:36.29 | abrotman | and if it's too technical to explain here, you can say so |
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| 11:37.19 | AlexC_ | it's for a network which we have, but I really can't discuss what it's for. There is no security reasons behind why they couldn't know about them, we just can't let them know about them |
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| 11:38.11 | abrotman | would a VPS make more sense? |
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| 11:38.59 | AlexC_ | actually, scratch that - we're moving it to a new server anyway which clients wouldn't have access to |
| 11:39.29 | abrotman | so the whole thing is moot? |
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| 11:40.17 | AlexC_ | no, that was just this one example. Other files, even those that I'm not aware of - I still don't know if they should be able to access them |
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| 11:41.06 | AlexC_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:42.41 | pippo | !ciao a tutti |
| 11:42.46 | pippo | !list |
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| 11:42.47 | dpkg | pippo: VATTENE VIA! |
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| 11:43.34 | abrotman | hal1on: msg me when you've turned off that script |
| 11:44.26 | AlexC_ | abrotman: do you see what I'm trying to get all? I may sound paranoid and I have no reasons to think about it like just, just wondering if I should be - really |
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| 11:44.59 | abrotman | AlexC_: i thought selinux could do what you're talking about, perhaps I do not understand what they do differently |
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| 11:45.52 | abrotman | AlexC_: wonder if you could nudge that bug to see if they could put it in the 5.0.6 |
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| 11:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, err... don't mess with stuff randomly.... e.g. /etc/password is absolutely essential for all processes, that's why /etc/shadow was "invented" |
| 11:46.53 | AlexC_ | abrotman: bastille basically is a question/answer program and it will walk you through things that you could change to help increase security of your system. It's nothing like selinux that adds to the kernel its self |
| 11:47.07 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed I know that /etc/passwd is required, I'm just throwing out examples here |
| 11:47.12 | AlexC_ | abrotman: sure, I'll poke that bug |
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| 11:47.42 | abrotman | AlexC_: and grsec is also overkill ? |
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| 11:47.53 | AlexC_ | actually, I will only do that once the balloons have gone. I've already got a headache and I cba to watch those fly up, really stupid idea |
| 11:47.54 | abrotman | it sounds like bastille is jsut easier to work with than selinux |
| 11:48.03 | AlexC_ | abrotman: looking into it now |
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| 11:49.02 | abrotman | just seems that in the end, the result would be the same, but the setup is far more tedious |
| 11:50.06 | kjs | hey abrotman whats up |
| 11:50.17 | AlexC_ | ok, maybe put it this way - are there any files in a default debian install that you wouldn't want remote users (read, clients) read access to? |
| 11:50.28 | abrotman | hi kjs? |
| 11:50.53 | abrotman | AlexC_: we cannot really answer this for you, you haven't given us enough details about the situation |
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| 11:53.27 | AlexC_ | hum, I don't know what details you'd be after. I'm just wondering if there are any files in a default install that if a malcious user got access to, could take that information to help compromise the system? |
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| 11:54.55 | abrotman | AlexC_: the user list might be one .. they could attempt to bruteforce a login |
| 11:56.16 | abrotman | if each IP is running different software, they could figure that out, and try to crack something on that software/IP that they themselves do not have on their setup? |
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| 11:57.15 | AlexC_ | ok, forget the IP thing we talked about earlier :P |
| 11:57.26 | abrotman | oh, okay |
| 11:57.45 | abrotman | there is also the security of the actual binaries on your system |
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| 11:58.38 | AlexC_ | indeed, that's more what I'm after. binaries/files that by default they have access to, but ideally you wouldn't want them to |
| 11:59.27 | AlexC_ | say you install Postfix and Dovecot for example, by default those are all other readable, but I don't want them to be able to see our config. That sort of thing |
| 11:59.52 | abrotman | not sure they can by default for postfix (not sure about dovecot) |
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| 12:01.35 | olejorgenb | how do I turn of the ballons in the bug report pages? :p |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | mentally? |
| 12:01.55 | olejorgenb | eg. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444624 |
| 12:02.00 | olejorgenb | hehe |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | not sure if they're using CSS or JS |
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| 12:02.37 | olejorgenb | well, disabling js stopped them from movin at least |
| 12:02.56 | abrotman | awesome.. i think |
| 12:03.12 | abrotman | be better if they'd move away from the mouse pointer or something |
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| 12:04.48 | olejorgenb | a refresh w/js disabled got rid of them |
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| 12:05.54 | mc303 | On a Debian stable box, i would like to downgrade from ghostscript 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny4 to 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1 Is this possible and if 'yes', how? |
| 12:06.10 | abrotman | mc303: i believe that's a security update, you sure about that? |
| 12:06.37 | mc303 | I just want to get rid of this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593213 |
| 12:07.04 | mc303 | if someone can fix that bug *now*, that would of course be the best solution :-) |
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| 12:07.42 | mc303 | so i want to downgrade again, so that my collegues don't experience any problems with pdfcrop anymore |
| 12:07.44 | abrotman | !tell mc303 about sdn |
| 12:07.55 | mc303 | they need a working pdfcrop quite fast... |
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| 12:09.53 | abrotman | mc303: check that snapshot site .. they do archive a fair number of older items .. otherwise, you could probably get it from the CD/DVD images |
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| 12:10.05 | mc303 | ok, so what is the quickest way to install the lenny1 over the lenny4? |
| 12:10.39 | abrotman | did you get the package from that site yet? |
| 12:11.00 | mc303 | just a second |
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| 12:12.42 | mc303 | ok, got it |
| 12:13.09 | mc303 | i just hope i don't have to go through a lot of dependency hell... |
| 12:13.28 | mc303 | can i simply dpkg -i it ? |
| 12:14.53 | abrotman | you'll have to force the downgrade and then put it on hold |
| 12:15.11 | mc303 | i guess i need more explanation here... |
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| 12:15.33 | abrotman | the dpkg man page will explain the downgrade force |
| 12:15.35 | abrotman | !tell mc303 about hold |
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| 12:16.25 | mc303 | dpkg -i --force-downgrade package.deb ? |
| 12:16.25 | dpkg | package --force-downgrade package.deb is already installed |
| 12:16.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:16.34 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 12:17.21 | mc303 | Unpacking replacement ghostscript ... |
| 12:17.21 | mc303 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ghostscript: |
| 12:17.21 | mc303 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.21 | mc303 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.21 | mc303 | dpkg: error processing ghostscript (--install): |
| 12:17.21 | dpkg | mc303: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 12:18.02 | abrotman | mc303: so you'll have to downgrade other packages as well .. they should all be on that site .. yes, it's a pain in the arse |
| 12:18.07 | mc303 | I hate it when that happens :-( |
| 12:18.12 | mc303 | so i have to do this manually? |
| 12:18.15 | mc303 | package by package? |
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| 12:18.27 | abrotman | you can force them all at the same time |
| 12:18.37 | mc303 | hmpf... |
| 12:18.56 | abrotman | i don't think there are very many .. i don't think snapshot.debian.org allows you to add a package version as a source yet? |
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| 12:19.42 | abrotman | mc303: oh, yes it does, it explains it on the front page |
| 12:19.56 | abrotman | mc303: then you should be able to use aptitude to install a specific version AIUI |
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| 12:23.27 | mc303 | ok |
| 12:23.28 | mc303 | it worked |
| 12:23.37 | mc303 | i was able to downgrade two packages |
| 12:23.54 | mc303 | but now I somehow have to put them on hold until the bug is fixed i guess? |
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| 12:24.03 | mc303 | so that they don't get upgraded with an aptitude upgrade |
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| 12:24.58 | mc303 | seems like a simple aptitude hold packagename |
| 12:25.02 | mc303 | easy enough :-) |
| 12:25.10 | klawd | hi! i have two interfaces with seperate IPs. pings on the one are pong'd just fine, on the other one, i get noe reply |
| 12:25.19 | klawd | what can i do? |
| 12:25.35 | abrotman | are they both on the same network/netmask ? |
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| 12:26.32 | klawd | yes |
| 12:26.39 | abrotman | firewall in place? |
| 12:26.55 | klawd | yes, iptables. but i already tried to flush the rules. didn't help |
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| 12:29.12 | ironm | Hi guys :) - one short question - is there a GUI for reporting bugs in Debian ( the Debian bug tracking system ) - OR is reportbug the ONLY ONE possibility to do it? |
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| 12:30.06 | jordanm | ironm: reportbug has a gui |
| 12:30.12 | Paivakil | reportbug-ng |
| 12:30.25 | ironm | jordanm: I mean a URL like GUI |
| 12:30.55 | jordanm | ironm: I think "web interface" is the term you are looking for |
| 12:31.00 | ironm | I will check reportbug-ng .. thank you very much for your hint Paivakil :) |
| 12:31.04 | jordanm | in that case, no |
| 12:31.17 | ironm | thanks a lot jordanm :) |
| 12:32.06 | ironm | jordanm: can I let reportbug to write the content of the reportbug-mail to a file ? |
| 12:33.25 | lblume | Guys, why would activating pam-ldap completely break DHCP? |
| 12:33.38 | jordanm | ironm: --output=file or, you can use --mua=icedove or similar |
| 12:33.55 | ironm | tnx jordanm :) |
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| 12:34.27 | klawd_ | back. still no ping reply on the one ip |
| 12:34.51 | lblume | Everything works fine after configuring it, I can see LDAP uses, log in to them, etc. But as soon as I reboot, udev complains a lot about missing groups (which is like bug 516149), and after it finished booting, eth0 is up, but with no IP. |
| 12:35.12 | lblume | Replacing files ldap by files in /etc/nsswitch.conf fixes it. |
| 12:35.28 | asaleem | Is it possible to schedule sending email in icedove? |
| 12:35.55 | jordanm | alright, do we really need birthday baloons on the damn bts... |
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| 12:36.24 | klawd_ | abrotman: i got 6 IPs on one interface. they're all working except for the first one (i took another look, no, not the same mask) |
| 12:36.36 | jordanm | is about to write nasty emails |
| 12:37.01 | abrotman | i think the problem is the lack of a disable .. though you can turn off JS to get rid of it |
| 12:37.09 | abrotman | klawd_: can that IP ping out? |
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| 12:37.49 | jordanm | abrotman: yeah, I read ijackson's post.. I don't currently have a noscript plugin though |
| 12:38.12 | jordanm | I didn't understand what they were talking about until just now |
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| 12:38.48 | klawd_ | abrotman: how do i test the ping with a specific interface? |
| 12:39.19 | klawd_ | abrotman: seems like no. couldn't ping google.com |
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| 12:39.27 | klawd_ | since its the main interface (eth0) i guess it was used |
| 12:39.31 | abrotman | you could just try pinging one of the other IPs |
| 12:39.47 | klawd_ | that worked |
| 12:40.12 | klawd_ | but i can't ping google servers |
| 12:40.25 | abrotman | can you ping your gateway? |
| 12:41.07 | klawd_ | where can i see what gateway is configured? |
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| 12:42.22 | abrotman | how many do you have? route -n |
| 12:42.57 | chemist | what is the best way to increase the size of my lvm root partition? livecd or can it be done "on-the-gfly"? |
| 12:43.03 | klawd_ | got it, yes, i can ping it |
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| 12:44.13 | jelly | chemist: are you talking about the logical volume (lv) that your root filesystem resides on, or about the physical volume (pv) and partition your LVM setup resides on? |
| 12:44.34 | chemist | lv |
| 12:44.43 | klawd_ | abrotman: any further ideas? |
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| 12:45.29 | abrotman | klawd_: sure .. check your firewall again .. can that interface ping itself? |
| 12:46.14 | jelly | chemist: lvextend works on the fly if you have free extents in the volume group (vg). After (online) lvextend you can do (online) resize2fs if your filesystem is ext2, ext3 or ext4 |
| 12:46.31 | klawd_ | i don't know what else i could check and yes, it seems like |
| 12:46.41 | klawd_ | abrotman: unless it's one of the other interfaces |
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| 12:47.06 | chemist | jelly: no free extents so I would need to reduce the size of, say my /home first I guess |
| 12:47.24 | jelly | chemist: or add another pv |
| 12:47.29 | abrotman | klawd_: are you trying to ping google by name or IP ? |
| 12:47.46 | chemist | jelly: not possible |
| 12:47.58 | jelly | chemist: shrinking ext[234]fs needs to be done offline. |
| 12:48.09 | klawd_ | abrotman: i sent you ifconfig and the routes, could you take a look? |
| 12:48.11 | chemist | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 12:48.15 | klawd_ | what's with the 0.0.0.0? |
| 12:48.24 | klawd_ | abrotman: name but the ip seems correct |
| 12:48.29 | abrotman | klawd_: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 12:48.38 | jordanm | klawd_: consider that to be "any" |
| 12:48.40 | klawd_ | 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 12:48.48 | jordanm | 486? |
| 12:48.53 | abrotman | it appears you're trying to have two default gateways? |
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| 12:49.08 | jelly | chemist: shrinking goes in opposite order, btw, so: umount, resize2fs to shrink the filesystem, lvreduce to shrink that lvm |
| 12:49.15 | abrotman | oh, misread that |
| 12:49.31 | abrotman | though, both 'networks' are using the same gateway |
| 12:49.36 | jelly | chemist: make a backup before, verify the the backup is valid, yadda yadda |
| 12:49.45 | klawd_ | abrotman: seems like it |
| 12:50.11 | abrotman | klawd_: you might do better to x.x.x out the first three sets of the quad to share it in here |
| 12:50.22 | abrotman | but lots of peopel share 'sensitive' pastes in here |
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| 12:51.07 | klawd_ | ok. |
| 12:51.10 | abrotman | klawd_: are you bringing those all up in the interfaces file? can you paste that also if oyu are |
| 12:52.04 | chemist | jelly: thanks, its a test box anyway so not too concerned about breaking it |
| 12:52.08 | klawd_ | seems autoconfigured. im gonna paste |
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| 12:52.18 | chemist | jelly: know any live cd's with lvm2 tools? |
| 12:52.35 | jelly | chemist: grml.org probably |
| 12:52.51 | klawd_ | http://pastebin.com/yMsNrCMv eth0 can not be pinged. eth0:n can. anyone an idea on this issue? |
| 12:53.06 | chemist | jelly: thanks again |
| 12:53.11 | jelly | chemist: you can do all this stuff without rebooting. by offline I mean the filesystem to be shrunk needs to be unmounted |
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| 12:54.25 | klawd_ | abrotman: pasted the interfaces file |
| 12:54.28 | jordanm | klawd_: it looks like you are trying to hook a single interface into two subnets at once |
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| 12:55.55 | klawd_ | jordanm: i believe it's been autmatically configured by my server provider |
| 12:56.15 | klawd_ | and it worked well so far. just a few days ago it stopped working and i'm kind of lost here |
| 12:56.26 | klawd_ | it's not really my server. i share it with a friedn who's in africa right now |
| 12:56.32 | klawd_ | he administered it so far |
| 12:56.35 | jordanm | klawd_: 88.198.13.233/27 and 88.198.159.98/29 are two different networks, but your setup thinks that the physical eth0 interface is directly connected to both of them |
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| 12:56.55 | klawd_ | jordanm: so what can i do? |
| 12:57.00 | alcohol | hey all! I'm back from vacation :> |
| 12:57.17 | alcohol | and now I have a question. cause upon arrival there was a dead server laying on my desk :< |
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| 12:57.45 | alcohol | it has 2 drives, 3ware raid. but I am not sure which one died. should I just be able to plug them into any other computer and see if it boots/is readable? |
| 12:57.47 | jordanm | klawd_: that dependant on how the equipment eth0 is hooked into is setup. I will not be able to help with his |
| 12:58.00 | abrotman | klawd_: wait, you're creating the another route? |
| 12:58.17 | abrotman | that is idential to the first? |
| 12:58.31 | klawd_ | what? where? what do you mean? |
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| 12:58.39 | datacrusher | hello everyone. i got a backup script, wich iv set cron as root to run it. When i sudo script.sh i got the backup jus fine, but the automated one is using wrong charsets, creating folders in english and messing with special characters |
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| 12:58.45 | jordanm | abrotman: are we looking at the same routing table? |
| 12:59.09 | abrotman | his interfaces file has a route command before the ifconfig output |
| 12:59.09 | jordanm | datacrusher: set your language variables in the cronttab |
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| 12:59.56 | datacrusher | how do i do that Jordanm? |
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| 13:00.55 | jordanm | datacrusher: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 or similar |
| 13:01.21 | datacrusher | is it via the crontab command? or i edit some text file elsewhere? |
| 13:01.24 | jordanm | klawd_: you don't need routing for networks that are directly attached. that stuff is all layer 2 |
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| 13:01.36 | jordanm | datacrusher: export it in the cronttab |
| 13:02.06 | klawd_ | jordanm: so comment out the last line and go networking restart? |
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| 13:02.43 | datacrusher | jordanm, add on the end of the line? |
| 13:02.48 | jordanm | klawd_: I would, but it does nothing, so removing it will not change things |
| 13:03.04 | datacrusher | googling crontab encoding |
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| 13:03.25 | jordanm | datacrusher: see /etc/cronttab for an example |
| 13:03.51 | klawd_ | jordanm: got weird output: http://pastebin.com/VnP3C6wu |
| 13:03.58 | jordanm | klawd_: is this for work/buisness? |
| 13:04.13 | klawd_ | jordanm: kind of |
| 13:04.42 | jordanm | klawd_: you changed your PS1 to "%"? |
| 13:04.58 | klawd_ | jordanm: i use zsh with the grml conf |
| 13:05.24 | klawd_ | so.. propably yes |
| 13:05.51 | klawd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.54 | klawd_ | seems like it |
| 13:06.46 | klawd_ | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address i guess that's the issue. any idea on how to solve? |
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| 13:07.55 | jelly | klawd_: how many addresses do you need to add? |
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| 13:08.28 | fALSO | hi there |
| 13:08.44 | fALSO | can anyone tell how can i force apt-get to reinstall the configuration files and init scripts of a packagE? |
| 13:08.54 | fALSO | i accidentally deleted them |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | !tell fALSO about confmiss |
| 13:09.05 | fALSO | and tried to remove and install again but it didnt work |
| 13:09.12 | klawd_ | jelly: all of them, i guess. i only use two but the mate i'm sharing the server with uses the other ones |
| 13:09.20 | fALSO | thank you abrotman :) |
| 13:09.32 | klawd_ | jelly: i could temporarily disable them if that's the question |
| 13:09.42 | AlexC_ | are there any docs for pam_chroot? |
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| 13:10.56 | jelly | klawd_: "how many" -- I asked for a number |
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| 13:11.18 | klawd_ | jelly: 6 |
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| 13:13.34 | jelly | klawd_: Your one interface seems to have ip addresses in different segments, thus requiring multiple default routes. This won't work without a policy-based routing setup. |
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| 13:14.21 | klawd_ | jelly: hum. ok. how do i go about this? |
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| 13:16.50 | bvk | hi, how to get mencoder in debian? |
| 13:16.57 | bvk | it seems missing from mplayer package |
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| 13:18.48 | jelly | klawd_: http://lartc.org/lartc.html#AEN268 |
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| 13:20.45 | klawd_ | jelly: thanks |
| 13:21.01 | jelly | klawd_: I can't find an example where both gateways are accessed over the the iface, it'll be a bit simpler |
| 13:21.14 | jelly | the same* iface |
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| 13:22.23 | AlexC_ | I'm getting a "Broken pipe" when connecting via SSH, which is using pam_chroot - as there is no documentation for pam_chroot and all docs seem to be from < 2005, where on earth do I start? |
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| 13:22.23 | AlexC_ | do people really not use chroot? The amount of docs available is terrible |
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| 13:22.53 | xyan | AlexC_: start by figuring out whats going on! ssh -vvv for example |
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| 13:23.32 | AlexC_ | xyan: already been doing, no information there to help |
| 13:23.50 | AlexC_ | no errors in /var/log/auth.log regarding it either |
| 13:24.10 | xyan | and syslog or anywhere else in the logs? |
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| 13:24.56 | AlexC_ | xyan: correct |
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| 13:25.11 | xyan | AlexC_: did you try its debug option to have "lots of extra debugging info via syslog"? |
| 13:25.53 | AlexC_ | xyan: I've set the 'debug' option yeah. As far as I know I don't have to restart anything? |
| 13:26.36 | xyan | yes right |
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| 13:27.15 | AlexC_ | SSH log leve is set to DEBUG, as well |
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| 13:29.09 | AlexC_ | the last message is 'preparing to chroot', I never get anything passed there |
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| 13:30.03 | AlexC_ | ah, a TROUBLESHOOTING file I've found seems helpful |
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| 13:32.55 | AlexC_ | where is the config file for syslogd? |
| 13:33.20 | petemc | AlexC_: you sure you're not using rsyslog ? |
| 13:33.25 | BlueChip | . /etc/syslog.conf ? |
| 13:34.28 | AlexC_ | petemc: I've just read that it now uses rsyslog so more than likely |
| 13:34.44 | petemc | so from that you can probably figure out where the config is |
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| 13:36.17 | AlexC_ | indeed, found it - now just need to find out how to make it work in a chroot |
| 13:37.23 | petemc | you probably need a socket |
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| 13:38.20 | AlexC_ | well, the annoying thing is I just found somewhere that told me. But I didn't need it right then so I closed the tab - no idea what site it was on now |
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| 13:45.16 | jelly | AlexC_: this is how postfix package does it, /etc/rsyslog.d/postfix.conf contains $AddUnixListenSocket /var/spool/postfix/dev/log |
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| 13:47.05 | AlexC_ | jelly thanks, just found something like this. Trying it now |
| 13:47.48 | AlexC_ | why oh why hasn't chroot been made far easier to setup over the years =( |
| 13:48.06 | jelly | because this is not bsd! |
| 13:48.23 | AlexC_ | but we can learn from them |
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| 13:52.44 | AlexC_ | because right now it's a massive ball ache that I'd just describe as pathetic |
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| 13:55.00 | AlexC_ | ha, how stupid! " > > # Warning: since we do not have the /dev/log socket the > > # 'debug' option of the PAM module will not work once chrooted |
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| 13:55.19 | AlexC_ | well how the hell are we to get the debug logs? |
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| 13:56.51 | klawd | hey guys. i just spoke with support. they blocked the ip for abuse reasons. it seems there has been tries to bruteforce some remote server |
| 13:56.55 | rue_mohr | heya, I have a program I wrote called "Hello world" I'd like to know how to make a debain package of it. :) |
| 13:57.34 | AlexC_ | pam_chroot for SSH -> Broken Pipe -> read TROUBLESHOOT file -> do instructions -> read source file to find out the instructions simply wont work. Words can not describe how pathetic this is. I'd report a bug, but guess what? There is balloons everywhere so I will refuse to |
| 13:57.36 | rue_mohr | http://wiki.debian.org/PkgNew thats the last link I got to |
| 13:58.01 | AlexC_ | well done Debian, really messed this one up |
| 13:58.10 | themill | dpkg: tell AlexC_ about ranting |
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| 13:58.58 | AlexC_ | themill: I would report a bug, if I could. The balloons are stopping me |
| 13:59.05 | rue_mohr | anyone know? the world needs my program |
| 13:59.16 | themill | AlexC_: the balloons stop "reportbug" working? wow |
| 14:00.03 | rue_mohr | AlexC_, find the process creating the balloons and kill -9 it? |
| 14:00.22 | rue_mohr | i HATE it when software pops things up under my cursor |
| 14:00.23 | themill | or use adblock or noscript or any other text browser... really. |
| 14:00.30 | klawd | can i get details on why there are warnings in rkhunter? |
| 14:00.45 | rue_mohr | heya, I have a program I wrote called "Hello world" I'd like to know how to make a debain package of it. :) |
| 14:00.59 | themill | AlexC_: (a) chroots are quite new for ssh and upstream documentation is lacking for this (b) /dev/log etc are well documented in the syslog documentation and elsewhere. google knows all about it. (c) linux chroots probably don't do what you seem to think they do anyway (d) tools to make chroots do exist. You could try searching for them rather than complaining about it. |
| 14:01.31 | petemc | AlexC_: considering some of the questions you've asked the past few hours, you might want to double check what you've done before you assume its a bug and debian is pathetic |
| 14:01.33 | themill | ,info hello-debhelper |
| 14:01.35 | judd | hello-debhelper (devel, extra): The classic greeting, and a good example. Version: 2.2-2; Size: 43.7k; Installed: 584k |
| 14:01.39 | themill | rue_mohr: ^^ |
| 14:02.03 | rue_mohr | oh |
| 14:02.21 | themill | rue_mohr: you may want to look at the new maintainer's guide too; /msg dpkg nmg |
| 14:02.23 | AlexC_ | themill: a) I know, I've found out the hard ware. b) Debian from what I can see no longer uses syslog, but rsyslog instead. c) I'll refrain from responding d) I know they exist, the one for pam_chroot in examples has a comment saying debug wont work |
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| 14:02.51 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 14:02.56 | rue_mohr | thats part of the thing with the doc I found, it assumes your packaging an existing program |
| 14:03.02 | rue_mohr | I'm writing new |
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| 14:03.10 | AlexC_ | petemc: the source code is right there, I'm reading it and says it wont work. Which contradicts the TROUBLESHOOTING file. It's a bug - being pedantic I said chroot is pathetic. Debian I really like :) |
| 14:03.30 | AlexC_ | but please, if anyone knows - how am I do get the debug logs from pam_chroot? |
| 14:04.52 | danols | where can I view my cron error log ? the bash script runs fine when executed from root but seems to fail when run by cron - it's a simple tar this directory command |
| 14:05.04 | danols | the resulting file is incomplete |
| 14:05.14 | danols | tar file that is |
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| 14:05.58 | rue_mohr | danols, errors may have gone to /dev/null, the local root mailbox, or /var/log/messages |
| 14:06.38 | rue_mohr | you have a problem if it went to /dev/null, a LOT of stuff is put in there |
| 14:06.43 | danols | rue_mohr: how would I know to which they went or how would I specified where they go for cron ? |
| 14:06.56 | danols | rue_mohr: I have a feeling it went to null |
| 14:07.18 | rue_mohr | usuauly results go to the root mailbox, unless the script said they went to null |
| 14:07.22 | jordanm | danols: it doesn't unless you specifically redirect it there |
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| 14:07.41 | danols | man says crong logs to syslog facility 'cron' |
| 14:07.57 | rue_mohr | as root does the system say you have new messages? |
| 14:07.58 | jordanm | danols: cron itself, but not the output of its jobs |
| 14:08.25 | danols | rue_mohr: how would I check that? |
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| 14:08.33 | danols | i'm in shell as root |
| 14:08.34 | rue_mohr | ... you know... I forgot |
| 14:08.36 | jordanm | danols: su -; "mail" |
| 14:09.00 | jordanm | mutt, or w/e your preferred MUA is |
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| 14:09.09 | AlexC_ | bugger it. To anyone wanting to setup chroot env for their SSH users - don't. |
| 14:09.11 | danols | jordanm: mail command not found |
| 14:09.15 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 14:09.15 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
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| 14:09.26 | jordanm | !installit |
| 14:09.26 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 14:09.39 | d0uglas | hi.. what's the --sort option to ps to dump by heaviest cpu or heaviest memory in descending order? |
| 14:09.44 | rue_mohr | its been ages since I used this interface |
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| 14:10.09 | simonrvn | what, typing? ;p |
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| 14:10.38 | danols | jordanm: and if it is not in mail where would the error/logs be stored on the system? |
| 14:11.04 | jordanm | danols: it goes to the user's mail, unless you redirect it, then it would go wherever you redirect it to |
| 14:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, right... *lifts mouse and speaks into it* |
| 14:11.39 | jordanm | danols: this is why cron Recommends: mail-transport-agent |
| 14:11.40 | simonrvn | haha |
| 14:11.43 | danols | jordanm: I see what is /var/log/ folder for ? |
| 14:12.01 | zutme | This is probably the stupidest question, but I can't find the answer on the website. If i install squeeze now, will I forever be stuck in testing or can I just continue on as stable, since it will be stable soon? |
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| 14:12.16 | rue_mohr | :) who can remind me hwo to delete all the messges |
| 14:12.16 | jordanm | danols: what do you *think* its for? |
| 14:12.17 | AlexC_ | zutme: yes you can |
| 14:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | zutme, if you write "squeeze" in sources.list, you stay with squeeze |
| 14:12.27 | danols | jordanm: error messages and such |
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| 14:12.29 | danols | ? |
| 14:12.40 | zutme | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly what I wanted to know thanks |
| 14:12.41 | simonrvn | rue_mohr: man mail |
| 14:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | zutme, if you write "testing", you will keep having testing, even when it changes name |
| 14:12.52 | zutme | gotcha |
| 14:12.55 | jordanm | danols: yes, its for storing log files |
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| 14:12.59 | jordanm | !tell danols about fhs |
| 14:13.00 | simonrvn | which isn't always wise |
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| 14:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, where does "wise" come into it? I mean like... ever? |
| 14:13.42 | jordanm | danols: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:14.11 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: whowhatwhere? :P |
| 14:14.16 | danols | jordanm: the latest? how would I check |
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| 14:14.45 | jordanm | danols: cat cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:14.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | "<simonrvn> which isn't always wise" |
| 14:14.57 | jordanm | with only one cat |
| 14:15.11 | danols | 5.0.5 |
| 14:15.12 | rue_mohr | yay, I think that just freed 40% of my drive! |
| 14:15.15 | simonrvn | 1 cat? |
| 14:15.30 | jordanm | simonrvn: I first said "cat cat" |
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| 14:15.48 | simonrvn | 2 cats *meow* |
| 14:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | here, kitty, kitty, kitty |
| 14:15.53 | jordanm | danols: it is really suggested you do some reading on fundamentals as simonrvn suggested earlier |
| 14:16.31 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: wise, immplying the consequences of one's actions |
| 14:16.35 | simonrvn | imp* |
| 14:16.53 | danols | sure will do but can you just clarify this for me: so error messages are either sent to /var/log or mail or /var/log |
| 14:16.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, what an alien concept... |
| 14:17.06 | danols | sorry or are they both sent to var/log and mail if mail is installed ? |
| 14:17.14 | jordanm | danols: are you even reading what we say?? |
| 14:17.24 | danols | jordanm: you are saying install mail |
| 14:17.35 | danols | I asked about var/log and said it was for errors/logs you aggreed |
| 14:17.57 | danols | so why error log two different ways - a folder and this auto mail |
| 14:18.01 | jordanm | danols: right, but your cronjobs do not output logs there unless to explicitly redirect them to |
| 14:18.02 | danols | or am I just missing the big picture here? |
| 14:18.13 | danols | ahhh |
| 14:18.14 | danols | i see |
| 14:18.15 | jordanm | danols: "mail" is just a client, open the mbox using a text editor if you want |
| 14:18.18 | danols | so by default it uses mail |
| 14:18.42 | jordanm | you could say that |
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| 14:19.25 | danols | $HOME/Maildir/ ? |
| 14:19.42 | jordanm | danols: doubtful, unless you explictily setup your mailserver to do that |
| 14:19.51 | jordanm | danols: the default is /var/mail/$user |
| 14:19.56 | danols | thank you |
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| 14:20.44 | danols | jordanm: it's empty - it's because I need to install the mail application ? |
| 14:22.05 | AlexC_ | is it possible to execute a command upon SFTP connection? |
| 14:22.08 | rue_mohr | maybe /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog is a good place too look for your errors |
| 14:22.11 | AlexC_ | on the server side, I mean |
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| 14:23.42 | danols | rue_mohr: I did already look there but nothing helpful thanks for the suggestion though |
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| 14:23.47 | d0uglas | when i tell a php file to do something involving another php file, the path I give to that php file, is that the full path on the file system or the path stemming from the web doc root? |
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| 14:24.26 | AlexC_ | d0uglas: ##php and read php.net/include - relative to the current file |
| 14:24.38 | d0uglas | k thanks |
| 14:25.15 | AlexC_ | where does SFTP get its initial working directory from? |
| 14:25.15 | danols | which mail package should I install - sorry as you can see i know little |
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| 14:34.12 | malchias | is there a best practices for what types of info should be in the main apache2 config files? apache2.conf, ports.conf, httpd.conf, default, default-ssl, and so forth? |
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| 14:35.18 | petemc | malchias: you can generally leave them alone with all your config done on a per site basis in /etc/apache2/sites-availabled/foo.com |
| 14:35.26 | stew | malchias: don't touch apache2.conf so it can be upgraded by newer versions of the package. put which ports and ips it should listne to in ports.con, anything global that you need to customize into httpd.conf, and anything specific to a particular site into a file in sites-available which you enable with a2ensite filename |
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| 14:35.54 | malchias | thank you |
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| 14:36.05 | jordanm | recalls that stuff being documented in README.Debian |
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| 14:39.13 | jelly | gives jordanm an !a2 |
| 14:39.35 | danols | which MTA do you recommend for home/small office ? |
| 14:39.38 | Hounddog | hi, i am in the requirement of setting up a debian server with following applications... Lan email server (possible postfix) , LAN Messaging, Proxy Server, Samba server... Is there also some webadministration tool with which i can configure these which would be recommended? Just looking for possible recommendations. |
| 14:39.51 | petemc | danols: exim or postfix |
| 14:39.55 | jordanm | danols: exim4 is the default MTA for debian, and likely already installed on your machine |
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| 14:40.18 | jelly | danols: postfix, to counter the extra exim suggestion |
| 14:40.23 | jordanm | Hounddog: a job requirement? |
| 14:40.32 | danols | k |
| 14:40.41 | danols | i'll check if I have exim4 alrady installed |
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| 14:41.01 | Hounddog | jordanm i am setting all that up, just looking for suitable tools which i should utilize |
| 14:41.17 | jordanm | Hounddog: were those the requirements set by a job? |
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| 14:41.24 | Hounddog | nope |
| 14:41.35 | Hounddog | setup by my wife who is getting into business... |
| 14:41.37 | danols | no i don't which one is lighter ? |
| 14:42.05 | jordanm | danols: neither will matter resource wise |
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| 14:42.25 | danols | hmmm choices choices :) |
| 14:42.26 | danols | thanks |
| 14:42.36 | jordanm | !start a mta war |
| 14:42.36 | dpkg | smail is hard to configure! |
| 14:42.44 | stew | danols: if you are already familiar with either just go with that |
| 14:43.09 | Hounddog | jordanm why are you asking? just courious :) |
| 14:43.34 | danols | stew: not familiar with any :( |
| 14:44.15 | Hounddog | just seeing that squid might be a suitable choice to use with webmin |
| 14:45.01 | jordanm | !tell Hounddog about webmin\ |
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| 14:45.07 | stew | Hounddog: note that webmin isn't in debian and we typically recommend against it |
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| 14:46.11 | Hounddog | stew is there another recommendation that you would suggest? |
| 14:46.12 | jordanm | Hounddog: I see a lot of people asking very basic questions of thier job. It upsets me because I have unable to get an interview in a little over a year... I was asking because it affects my descision on whether I want to help or not |
| 14:46.35 | stew | Hounddog: no |
| 14:46.45 | jordanm | Hounddog: if you are managing the server youself, you should stick with ssh |
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| 14:46.58 | Hounddog | jordanm i know what you mean... i am a developer and i am not liking to do this... i would rather give it to an administrator then do it myself |
| 14:47.07 | jordanm | hosting web-guis can be useful to give to customers, but that doesn't osund like the case here |
| 14:47.29 | Hounddog | it is just a setup for 15 people and i want it easy... |
| 14:47.33 | malchias | jordanm: focus on how to interview instead |
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| 14:48.12 | malchias | jordanm: it's literally not "what you know" but how they perceive you right now |
| 14:48.17 | jordanm | malchias: well, since I haven't been to one, I don't think that is my current downfall |
| 14:48.26 | Hounddog | as far as i know there is a server admin in that office where we are renting but i do not trust that guy... or any indian server admin currently |
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| 14:49.08 | malchias | jordanm: make sure you research your companies before submitting resumes. ie: what are their regulations that they have to comply with. If you have the experience put that jargon on your resume. |
| 14:49.26 | malchias | there is plenty of work for regulatory stuff as companies are forced to have that employee |
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| 14:50.15 | jordanm | malchias: thank you for the advice |
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| 14:50.59 | malchias | it also helped me to network with sales engineers at companies like accuvant, fishnet, etc |
| 14:51.16 | malchias | they know where jobs are open and what skillsets their clients need |
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| 14:52.41 | malchias | Call them/email them and offer to speak/present on their product as a technical resource - especially how it relates to regulatory stuff. You'll find work that way if you talk to the audience and network with the people there. Most of the attendees will be hire/decision influencers. |
| 14:53.54 | malchias | issues /soapbox_off command |
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| 14:55.01 | stayb | what program can play .mid files? |
| 14:55.09 | stayb | vlc cant |
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| 14:56.40 | kooll | stayb: something like timidity (or any playing with a timidity plugin) |
| 14:57.53 | moldovean | apt-cache search play midi files |
| 14:58.55 | danols | i'm about to install exim4 should I also get the mailx ? |
| 14:59.44 | jordanm | danols: it wasn't installed already? |
| 14:59.54 | danols | don't think so as it is being suggested |
| 15:00.12 | danols | the debian install is on a linode so it must be just the 'core' system and I pick the rest |
| 15:00.34 | jordanm | !tell danols about standard task |
| 15:01.19 | jordanm | danols: when you install "cron" exim4 is installed as a recommends... |
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| 15:01.35 | danols | cron was already installed though ... |
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| 15:03.39 | danols | jordanm: wow this tasksel is going to save me a headache thanks |
| 15:05.29 | wooden | is there a way, with normal unix permissions, to make all files created in a directory have a specific set of permissions (e.g. 775), without messing about with the users' umask? |
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| 15:05.43 | phet | hi |
| 15:05.51 | phet | any help to configure my webcam?? |
| 15:05.54 | jelly | wooden: no. |
| 15:06.01 | jordanm | wooden: not without umask, no |
| 15:06.06 | Lin | heya ppl. I have 2 vpn servers (they arent on same network). When one of them fails the clients should connect in the other one, how can I do that seamlessly? I dont want my users reconfiguring theirs vpn server address on each failure? |
| 15:06.36 | wooden | jelly, jordanm: thanks. |
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| 15:06.58 | stew | wooden: perhaps with extended filesystem acls but not with standard permissions |
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| 15:09.00 | jelly | stayb: timidity or fluidsynth provide a software midi synthetiser. You'll also need a decent soundfont (collection of samples to use with a synth) like Fluid R3 (packaged in squeeze asfluid-soundfont-gm and fluid-soundfont-gs) |
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| 15:09.55 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 15:10.11 | jelly | stayb: when timidity is configured and running as a service, it presents an ALSA midi device that many apps can use. |
| 15:10.16 | Juss[USA] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.22 | Mazingaro | how can I configure atheros 5x wifi board on squeeze? |
| 15:10.31 | konr | Guys, is there any good screencasting program for debian? |
| 15:10.34 | Juss[USA] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.57 | Juss[USA] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.59 | jelly | !ops Juss[USA] spam/troll bot |
| 15:10.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: Juss[USA] spam/troll bot |
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| 15:11.19 | dpkg | Juss[USA]: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:11.35 | Mazingaro | madwifi won't compile on debian squeeze, please help |
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| 15:12.30 | jordanm | Mazingaro: use ath5/9k |
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| 15:12.54 | jordanm | !tell mazingaro about ath5k |
| 15:12.59 | Mazingaro | jordanm: they didn't work either |
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| 15:13.20 | jordanm | !tell Mazingaro about doesn't work |
| 15:13.49 | Mazingaro | AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) |
| 15:14.39 | Mazingaro | ath0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
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| 15:23.19 | a-atwood | when running crosshurd, the first path that it asks for should be the mount point of the target system, correct? |
| 15:24.03 | a-atwood | the default path it lists is /root/jail |
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| 15:24.21 | a-atwood | I want stuff to go in /mnt |
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| 15:27.41 | markit | hi, I would love to automate answers to dpkg-reconfigure somepackage, is it possible? |
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| 15:29.14 | Mazingaro | please I need help on ath5k on squeeze for atheros 5000 |
| 15:30.30 | abrotman | Mazingaro: lspci shows it? |
| 15:30.44 | abrotman | markit: there is a debconf ability to set those |
| 15:30.55 | Mazingaro | abrotman: yes |
| 15:31.04 | Mazingaro | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) |
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| 15:32.11 | abrotman | lspci -nn might be more useful |
| 15:32.29 | Mazingaro | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
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| 15:33.40 | abrotman | judd: pciid 168c:001c |
| 15:33.41 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
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| 15:33.59 | abrotman | Mazingaro: look through dmesg for some hints? |
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| 15:34.06 | Mazingaro | abrotman: yes |
| 15:34.17 | abrotman | yes? or post it so we can see it |
| 15:34.30 | Mazingaro | wait |
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| 15:35.21 | Mazingaro | http://pastebin.com/pgC44vkx |
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| 15:35.26 | Mazingaro | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/pgC44vkx |
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| 15:36.56 | Mazingaro | abrotman: the wifi led turned blue |
| 15:37.04 | abrotman | it just sounds like it needs to be configured |
| 15:37.13 | Mazingaro | abrotman: but no connection or signal strength |
| 15:37.22 | Mazingaro | this is network/interfaces |
| 15:37.40 | Mazingaro | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 15:37.40 | Mazingaro | auto wlan0 |
| 15:37.41 | Mazingaro | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 15:38.40 | abrotman | iwtools ? |
| 15:38.52 | Mazingaro | pc + router worked with madwofi and lenny (same laptop) |
| 15:39.27 | Mazingaro | iwtools: command not found |
| 15:39.46 | abrotman | iwconfig/iwlist .. sorry |
| 15:39.53 | alcohol | pff I'm screwed :< |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | lucky you |
| 15:40.09 | alcohol | I have 2 drives from a 3ware raid setup, can't mount them on the new setup though |
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| 15:40.34 | alcohol | get the "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on" etc error |
| 15:40.37 | Mazingaro | iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 15:41.46 | Mazingaro | abrotman: it's working now! |
| 15:41.57 | abrotman | it is really working? as in, you can make it work again after you reboot? |
| 15:42.09 | Mazingaro | abrotman: is there any graphic tool on kde squeeze? |
| 15:42.30 | abrotman | for what? i'm sure there's something like knetwork-manager |
| 15:43.21 | Mazingaro | abrotman: just to choose the access point |
| 15:44.02 | abrotman | knetwork-manager would work i'm sure |
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| 15:49.07 | jelly | plasma-widget-networkmanagement? |
| 15:49.29 | NixMan1 | Can someone help with Dual head configuration? |
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| 15:50.19 | thrashold | What was the name of the command line tool that can be used to enable touchpad tapping? |
| 15:50.55 | stew | thrashold: synclient |
| 15:51.11 | stew | which needs syndaemon to be running |
| 15:51.15 | thrashold | There was a X tool that I'm using on my laptop for this, which names starts with x |
| 15:51.19 | thrashold | synclient doesn't work for me |
| 15:51.46 | abrotman | NixMan1: you should tell us your version of Debian, which card you're using, and which driver |
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| 15:52.33 | Mazingaro | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:53.06 | thrashold | It uses something similar to gpointer-device-settings, but it is command line |
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| 15:54.13 | NixMan1 | abrotman: version 5.0 ATI radeon 9000 64M DDR PCI Card |
| 15:54.58 | NixMan1 | abortman: not sure of the driver at this moment |
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| 15:55.27 | Mazingaro | abrotman: I can't enable root password during systemsettings session... |
| 15:57.25 | Mazingaro | abrotman: why doesn't systemsettings work like the old control center? |
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| 15:58.13 | SineDeviance | hi all |
| 15:58.34 | SineDeviance | i am having a problem with a game, openal, and pulseaudio. i am running debian squeeze. this is my issue -> http://pastebin.com/EKnKN9na |
| 15:58.48 | SineDeviance | i have tried forcing alsa in .openalrc to no avail |
| 15:58.50 | thrashold | The name of the tool is xinput, if anyone needs it |
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| 15:59.00 | SineDeviance | i also installed the pulseaudio package. didnt fix it either. |
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| 16:08.45 | alcohol | so, gparted says my 3ware drives have a unrecognized partition table |
| 16:08.48 | alcohol | what can I do now? :< |
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| 16:10.01 | jelly | alcohol: connect them to a 3ware controller? |
| 16:10.57 | jelly | find and read the hw raid card vendor docs about importing foreign arrays |
| 16:11.11 | jelly | each vendor does it a bit differently |
| 16:12.01 | markit | debconf-set-selections seems not to work |
| 16:12.07 | markit | echo "tzdata tzdata/Zones/Europe select Rome" | debconf-set-selections |
| 16:12.10 | thrashold | alcohol: Also, it might help if you mention what kind of RAID there were part of |
| 16:12.12 | markit | dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata |
| 16:12.24 | markit | but the config is the same |
| 16:12.40 | markit | or, I have one more "*" in debconf-show tzdata |
| 16:12.55 | markit | but timezone is still UTC |
| 16:14.16 | alcohol | jelly: well I have them linked to a external sata/usb connector now |
| 16:14.25 | alcohol | jelly: cause I already installed new drives and new os in the machine |
| 16:14.37 | alcohol | jelly: but I can only connect one drive at a time |
| 16:14.51 | fxiny | markit: check /etc/default/rcS for UTC=no |
| 16:14.52 | alcohol | trifler: 2 drives, mirror (raid 1) |
| 16:15.04 | alcohol | thrashold: sorry, was meant for you ^ |
| 16:15.41 | markit | fxiny: sorry, my fould, I mean I still have "tzdata/Areas: Etc" |
| 16:15.48 | alcohol | but perhaps this conversation is more suited for another channel? not sure if there is anything related to data recovery / raid drives etc? |
| 16:16.04 | stew | alcohol: you cannot connect either of the drives to a 3ware controlelr? |
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| 16:17.05 | alcohol | stew: don't have any spare controllers no |
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| 16:17.19 | markit | fxiny: should be "tzdata/Areas: Europe" |
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| 16:17.21 | jelly | alcohol: you might have to get your hands on one |
| 16:17.36 | deco | is it okay to use debian testing on a desktop ? stable's kernel doesn't support my newer hardware :/ |
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| 16:17.38 | botas | hi all |
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| 16:20.06 | alcohol | jelly: a regular sata controller cannot read from a drive that previously was used in a 3ware setup? |
| 16:20.45 | jelly | alcohol: sure it will read it, but the drive contains 3ware-specific metadata describing the array it was a part of |
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| 16:22.00 | jelly | alcohol: do you know which raid level the array was? |
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| 16:22.33 | stew | 12:14 < alcohol> trifler: 2 drives, mirror (raid 1) |
| 16:23.24 | botas | where are good tutorials for debian? |
| 16:23.33 | botas | :) |
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| 16:23.36 | alcohol | jelly: what stew said |
| 16:23.42 | jelly | alcohol: so if you're going into guess-the-format land, the data might actually be in a contiguous place on the disk but starting at some offset from the beginning of the device |
| 16:24.01 | stew | alcohol: you might call 3ware and ask them |
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| 16:24.45 | ah13k | Hello!! I am a freshman login here with emacs. Can somebody give me a message? Thank you!! |
| 16:24.58 | jelly | alcohol: here's a story from a person that rev'eng'ed a RAID5 array format of theirs: http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2007/11/19/raid-capacity-expansion-the-suboptimal-way-or-how-not-to-have-a-fun-weekend/ |
| 16:26.43 | jelly | alcohol: if you had GRUB installed on it, I'd hunt for its signature on the disk to point to the beginning of actual data (the mbr) |
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| 16:28.41 | alcohol | jelly: yeah was a lenny system with grub |
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| 16:34.15 | jelly | alcohol: at least one thing there doesn't match your scenario, though -- his disks had metadata at the end. If this were true for you you'd be able to use the disk as-is |
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| 16:34.22 | thrashold | alcohol: You might use losetup to create loop devices at different offsets and run fdisk -l on them |
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| 16:34.43 | thrashold | alcohol: The offsets would probably be a multiple of some big power of 2,such as 64 |
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| 16:34.48 | jelly | or use gpart. |
| 16:34.58 | alcohol | I am using gparted on a live cd |
| 16:35.07 | jelly | gpart != gparted |
| 16:35.09 | alcohol | oh |
| 16:35.11 | alcohol | my bad |
| 16:35.22 | thrashold | I'd guess 256 or 512, but I'd go for a smaller offset just to be sure ;) |
| 16:35.24 | alcohol | I have no idea what losetup means :< |
| 16:36.11 | alcohol | but even so if I can find grub data. all I want to do is mount the drive and extract files. would this be possible? |
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| 16:36.22 | jelly | !ops italiano spam bot |
| 16:36.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: italiano spam bot |
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| 16:36.39 | thrashold | alcohol: Most likely |
| 16:36.52 | fxiny | thrashold: mbr ? |
| 16:37.03 | thrashold | alcohol: If you know the offset at which the data starts, you can always extract the data. It might be a bit tricky. |
| 16:37.16 | alcohol | thrashold: uh, it's a lot. =( |
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| 16:37.48 | thrashold | alcohol: parted has functions that detect partitions. I don't know which frontends support them, though. |
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| 16:39.02 | thrashold | alcohol: I think GNU cfdisk does, because I remember contributing support for that, but I'm not sure. |
| 16:39.13 | jelly | alcohol: I strongly suggest making an image of the disk before attempting any potentially destructive operation like mounting. |
| 16:39.27 | alcohol | mounting is destructive? |
| 16:39.32 | thrashold | alcohol: Yes |
| 16:39.38 | alcohol | even when doing it read only? |
| 16:39.48 | thrashold | alcohol: Yes. |
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| 16:39.59 | jelly | alcohol: blame ext[234]fs devels |
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| 16:40.41 | thrashold | alcohol: If you have two disks in the mirror, ensure that they are equal after certain point, and then work on one of them. |
| 16:41.09 | alcohol | thrashold: well one crashed and the other wont boot. that is what I was told (I just got back from vacation). thing is, I don't know which is which |
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| 16:41.37 | thrashold | alcohol: Actually, locating the first equal series of sectors might help you find the offset |
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| 16:43.52 | thrashold | alcohol: dd if=/dev/sdXX bs=512 skip=X count=64x512 | md5sum # This calculates the sum of the first 64 MB after the X'th sector |
| 16:44.13 | thrashold | alcohol: Locate the first sector for which the md5 sums of both drives are equal :) Might give you a clue where to start |
| 16:44.37 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 16:45.40 | thrashold | alcohol: If you can then ensure that the drives are equal up to the end from that point, you can safely work on one of them. |
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| 16:46.51 | samantha-- | i'm trying to install an r8619 gigabit nic. it's installing itself as eth3 (for some reason i don't understand). ifconfig shows that it's configured and has the correct IP from network/interfaces. when i try to ping a local IP, i get "destination host unreachable," and then NETDEV WATCHDOG reports a transmit timeout and then resets the link ("eth3: link up"). where do i go from here? |
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| 16:48.07 | thrashold | alcohol: Use gpart to locate the partitions, or some parted frontend to locate them (try GNU cfdisk that's part of the gnu-fdisk package), or manually find them with fdisk and losetup (if the offset is 512 B or 4 KB you might create a MD RAID that matches exactly your old RAID) |
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| 16:54.56 | alcohol | thrashold: thanks, I'll see what I can do |
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| 16:55.27 | sed` | you can block the balloons by adding http://bugs.debian.org/css/happy_debian.js to your favorite adblock addon |
| 16:55.30 | alcohol | oh, gparted live cd comes with terminal which recognized parted |
| 16:55.44 | alcohol | cfdisk too |
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| 16:56.34 | alcohol | hrm, cfdisk only recognized the local filesystem drive. not the one hooked up via usb |
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| 17:05.03 | stayb | i cant login to my vncserver |
| 17:05.15 | stayb | i want to login with an android app |
| 17:05.32 | stayb | i added a vncserver passwd and startet vncserver |
| 17:05.44 | stayb | is port 5900 still correct? |
| 17:06.21 | KB1JWQ | stayb: You tell us. :-) What does netstat say? |
| 17:06.22 | KB1JWQ | t |
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| 17:10.10 | stayb | netstat shows no port of vnc... |
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| 17:10.45 | stew | stayb: what options did you pass to netstat? |
| 17:11.09 | stayb | which i must? |
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| 17:11.45 | stew | stayb: -l, i'd recommend -plnt |
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| 17:13.19 | stayb | one is: tcp 0 0 *:59ß1 |
| 17:13.24 | stayb | 5901 |
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| 17:14.08 | thewanderer1 | hi guys, I'm having a problem with GNOME network manager |
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| 17:14.48 | thewanderer1 | when I right-click it, it shows "network enabled" as unchecked and when I click it, nothing happens |
| 17:15.09 | thewanderer1 | I get this upon right-clicking: ** (nm-applet:2978): WARNING **: _nm_object_get_property: Error getting 'NetworkingEnabled' for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: (16) No such property NetworkingEnabled |
| 17:15.28 | thewanderer1 | and when I click to enable networking, I get this: ** (nm-applet:2978): WARNING **: Error enabling/disabling networking: Method "Enable" with signature "b" on interface "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" doesn't exist |
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| 17:16.02 | cahoot | on lenny? |
| 17:16.10 | thewanderer1 | no, on squeeze/sid |
| 17:16.10 | Ergo^ | any idea why debian constanly changes default card order for alsa ? |
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| 17:17.40 | stew | Ergo^: read the "loading modules" section of /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz |
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| 17:18.04 | thewanderer1 | crap, do something with those balloons appearing all over the bug report... |
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| 17:18.57 | Ergo^ | stew, i suppose it shouldnt change the order of loaded modules every few reboots ? |
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| 17:19.15 | thewanderer1 | oh, so it is a bug that appeared lately and will disappear now that I upgrade... baloons ftw, then |
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| 17:19.47 | stew | Ergo^: if you tell it what order you want them to be, it won't change |
| 17:19.58 | stew | Ergo^: if you don't the order will not be predictable |
| 17:20.00 | thewanderer1 | is freezing everyday a "compatibility" part of apt-cacher-ng when I set it to run on port 9999? it's frozen and won't give me HTTP headers... |
| 17:20.11 | karlpinc | Ergo^: The PCI bus/bios does not guarentee detection order. PC hardware sucks. Hence, you must fuss with it. |
| 17:20.25 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:20.33 | Ergo^ | bah... its 21 century :D |
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| 17:21.48 | thewanderer1 | apt-cacher-ng works incredibly slow for me |
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| 17:23.22 | jelly | thewanderer1: that's the bug number? |
| 17:24.02 | jelly | for your apt-cacher-ng issue I mean |
| 17:24.26 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: er no, this bug seems to be known but is quite sneaky |
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| 17:24.42 | thewanderer1 | and the other network-manager bug has been solved a few days ago :P |
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| 17:25.07 | stayb | ok it works |
| 17:25.09 | jelly | thewanderer1: well if it's known, can you write which bug number is it? |
| 17:25.45 | thewanderer1 | it seems so known that it doesn't even have a bug number... |
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| 17:26.21 | thewanderer1 | it's similar to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-cacher-ng/+bug/302693 |
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| 17:26.53 | thewanderer1 | I know this is displayed as an Ubuntu bug, but it works the same here :P |
| 17:27.09 | jelly | thewanderer1: file it with debian if it's not there? |
| 17:28.04 | thewanderer1 | I don't know if this can be called a bug - it's not reproducible at all |
| 17:28.09 | thewanderer1 | it is *random* |
| 17:28.33 | jelly | occasional bugs are also bugs. |
| 17:28.41 | jelly | even more so I'd say |
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| 17:29.30 | thewanderer1 | hm, I just hit the IPv6 apt bug while trying to check for newer versions. is it the bug day today? |
| 17:30.08 | pipeline | ipv6 apt bug ? |
| 17:30.51 | thewanderer1 | apt trying to connect to an IPv6 address while IPv6 is not configured here... bugs attack in packs to bring down large prey |
| 17:30.52 | apt | that's too long, thewanderer1 |
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| 17:35.16 | rgr | thewanderer1: there are a few related ipv6 bugs related to java. eclipse need ipv6 disabling as does android toolkit ddms. |
| 17:35.34 | thewanderer1 | er, Squeeze is supposed to be IPv6-ready upon release, right? |
| 17:36.55 | thewanderer1 | I would like to use IPv6, if it weren't for the kernel bugs that prevent me from doing so (OpenVZ packages - I failed at reporting the bug, too - got rejected), and the older (2.6.26) OpenVZ kernel which supports IPv6 doesn't support my buggy ACPI of Intel motherboard O.o |
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| 17:40.10 | thewanderer1 | good, at least networking is now working with n-m on my desktop |
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| 17:46.38 | stayb | how can i test a extern login to my vnc server which port 5900 is open? |
| 17:47.26 | petemc | using a vnc client is a popular method |
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| 17:50.18 | stayb | i use an app for android |
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| 17:50.27 | stayb | local i can connect to my vncserver |
| 17:50.32 | stayb | but extern vie edge not |
| 17:51.08 | stayb | i added range portforwading 5900-5902 on my netgear wgr614 router . whats wrong? |
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| 17:53.33 | petemc | stayb: use a terminal to telnet to port 5900 |
| 17:54.39 | stayb | petemc, just like? |
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| 17:54.52 | petemc | telnet 1.2.3.4 5900 |
| 17:55.03 | petemc | android has telnet, or at least mine does |
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| 17:57.07 | stayb | i install the app |
| 17:59.17 | stayb | cant connect: no route to host |
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| 18:00.59 | qbwdp | allo allo |
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| 18:01.45 | stayb | on this test http://www.realvnc.com/cgi-bin/nettest.cgi i get: |
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| 18:02.05 | stayb | http://pastebin.com/iekshpBg |
| 18:02.40 | stayb | what means the last row? |
| 18:02.51 | petemc | is there a firewall restricting the machine running vnc from getting back out |
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| 18:03.59 | cyphermen | ? |
| 18:04.00 | stayb | not to my knowledge |
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| 18:04.24 | stayb | i use debian lenny 5.0.4 without firewall or router firewall |
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| 18:04.48 | jordanm | stayb: your router performing NAT likely has a firewall |
| 18:04.50 | malchias | any reason not to? |
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| 18:05.39 | stayb | mmh what can i do? |
| 18:06.30 | cyphermen | sry what is ur problem? |
| 18:06.49 | cyphermen | i didnt read all of post here |
| 18:07.27 | stayb | i cant connect to my vncserver, the vncserver test shows that: http://pastebin.com/iekshpBg |
| 18:08.12 | stayb | i want to connect via my android handy to my vncserver via edge. local i can connect |
| 18:08.19 | cyphermen | did u try add route to host by manualy? |
| 18:08.27 | stayb | no how? |
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| 18:08.42 | petemc | stayb: for me to do port forwarding for internal clients vnc, i only forward 5900 |
| 18:09.09 | stayb | local i connect with port 5901 and it works |
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| 18:11.08 | malchias | which package loads the authdigest module for apache2? I see apache2-utils and apache2.2-common - is it one of those, or something else? |
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| 18:14.47 | stayb | nobody has a idea ? |
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| 18:15.18 | petemc | stayb: i did mention that port forwarding works for me with only 5900 forwarded |
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| 18:16.05 | stayb | so u mean i should try it with only portforwading range 5900 to 5900 ? |
| 18:16.08 | petemc | http://pastie.org/1096016 , my iptables rules for vnc |
| 18:16.14 | petemc | yes |
| 18:16.15 | stayb | instead 5900 to 5902 ? |
| 18:16.22 | stayb | whats the difference? |
| 18:16.36 | petemc | its 2 less |
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| 18:17.33 | stayb | same issue |
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| 18:17.47 | petemc | works for me |
| 18:18.15 | petemc | note the addition rule i have that allows traffic out from the vnc host |
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| 18:19.35 | lopez[droid] | Can someone link me to a successful implimentation of debian mips for the lemote yeeloong |
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| 18:20.06 | W8TVI | interesting |
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| 18:20.39 | stayb | petemc, i dont have an addition rule or what u mean ? |
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| 18:21.02 | W8TVI | I used the same script as I did last time for my firewall, and it causes the server to stop responding to requests from the internal network. |
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| 18:21.21 | malchias | I did a dpkg -S auth and found that apache2.2-common looks like it has the authdigest .so file I need. When I do a apt-get install apache2.2-common it shows it's already installed, but an apache2ctl -M shows the module isn't there. Any suggestions? |
| 18:22.24 | djura-san | Guys, if i put something in my xinitrc and i dont put "gnome session" at the end will it still start my gnome session? |
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| 18:22.27 | xyan | malchias: a2enmod auth_digest |
| 18:22.33 | stayb | W8TVI, u mean me? |
| 18:22.35 | ironm | hi guys :) ... is there a kind of paste utility package for images? ... like pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net f<ilename> - tnx in advance for any hints ;) |
| 18:22.36 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: no :P |
| 18:22.46 | djura-san | thewanderer1: i see. |
| 18:22.54 | djura-san | okay, ty. Will ad it then |
| 18:22.59 | thrashold | djura-san: Perhaps you want to edit ~/.xsessionrc |
| 18:23.11 | jordanm | ironm: that is an open wishlist bug |
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| 18:23.35 | thewanderer1 | ironm: get an FTP host, configure ncftp and write a script to upload images for you |
| 18:23.49 | ironm | jordanm: open bug or open issue? ;) |
| 18:23.57 | djura-san | thrashold: no, i need to exec a few command upon startiong gnome. Gnome session manager cant load what i need (xset commands) and i have no clue why is it so :\ |
| 18:24.14 | malchias | xyan: thank you, that was it |
| 18:24.24 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: of course it can |
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| 18:24.53 | djura-san | i tried several times thewanderer1 |
| 18:24.57 | djura-san | with no luck |
| 18:24.59 | djura-san | :\ |
| 18:25.38 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: are you doing that with a script launched from GNOME autostart? |
| 18:25.55 | ironm | thewanderer1 / jordanm : there is http://img16.imageshack.us/ .. like : <ironm> SynrG: http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/8136/liveimageinstall.jpg |
| 18:26.29 | ironm | thewanderer1 / jordanm - however I would like to use such tool from the command line *_* |
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| 18:26.47 | thewanderer1 | ironm: apt-cache search imageshack |
| 18:26.51 | djura-san | thewanderer1: i just add commands in "sessions manager" > "Autostart" |
| 18:27.08 | ironm | tnx thewanderer1 :) |
| 18:27.10 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: well, try a script |
| 18:27.32 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: all I can say is that Xmodmap and launching my own custom daemon work for me with a script |
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| 18:28.30 | djura-san | nah i will use xinitrc. habbit form so much times of using dwm i gues :) |
| 18:28.31 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: besides, you need a credible way of verifying what works and what doesn't, and in the world of background processes, it's not always so obvious |
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| 18:29.50 | djura-san | thewanderer1: i added "xset s off" which should pervent screensaver after 10mins of timeout. After 10mins my monitor turns off. So, gnome session manager didint do what i wanted |
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| 18:29.54 | djura-san | ;) |
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| 18:30.26 | thrashold | djura-san: 1) How does ~/.xsessionrc not work? (Although it's new, I'm not sure from which debian release it is available) |
| 18:30.34 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: it did, but GNOME "knows better" |
| 18:30.42 | thrashold | djura-san: 2) The screensaver is probably enabled by Gnome, disable it there. |
| 18:30.59 | thewanderer1 | your commands probably run, but you miss your target :) |
| 18:31.25 | thrashold | djura-san: Also, maybe uninstalling xscreensaver might be in order :) |
| 18:31.35 | djura-san | thrashold: i have no gnome screensaver. I have no screensaver at all. Monitor just blanks out after 10min |
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| 18:32.11 | djura-san | it's okay now. I set up xinitrc :) |
| 18:32.14 | thrashold | djura-san: That's still caused by Gnome or something else running. |
| 18:32.50 | djura-san | thrashold: yes. I use "xset s off" to turn that thing off := |
| 18:32.53 | djura-san | * :) |
| 18:33.09 | thrashold | djura-san: You should fix the problem at its source :) |
| 18:33.29 | djura-san | but that is a source :\ |
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| 18:33.37 | thrashold | djura-san: That's a workaround (and I might say that it doesn't work with KDE, don't know about GNOME) |
| 18:34.13 | djura-san | thrashold: im not sure then. I have no screensaver at all on my pc |
| 18:34.15 | abrotman | djura-san: have you tried installing the gnome-power-utils to see if you can use those to control it ? |
| 18:34.25 | djura-san | let me search for xscreensaver but... |
| 18:34.39 | djura-san | abrotman: yeah. No luck |
| 18:34.47 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: as always, the majority of options are hidden in gconf |
| 18:35.06 | thewanderer1 | hates the practice of obfuscating configuration, much like Linus does |
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| 18:35.11 | thrashold | djura-san: ps uax | grep xscreensaver # What does it say? |
| 18:35.16 | djura-san | thewanderer1: yes but what about schemas? |
| 18:35.18 | fxiny | djura-san: what about your bios settings ? |
| 18:35.22 | thrashold | djura-san: After GNOME is running |
| 18:35.32 | thewanderer1 | djura-san: what schemas? O.o |
| 18:36.10 | djura-san | thrashold: nothing. It shows no process |
| 18:36.14 | thewanderer1 | anyway, the screen blanking is controlled by gnome-screensaver |
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| 18:36.47 | djura-san | thewanderer1: how come that i got the same problem under dwm witout gnome? |
| 18:36.53 | abrotman | djura-san: any chance it's your monitor doing it? |
| 18:36.54 | djura-san | *without |
| 18:37.00 | djura-san | abrotman: nope |
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| 18:37.37 | djura-san | it's old but it has no auto running things except for auto arrange of visible space :o) |
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| 18:37.40 | thewanderer1 | it seems to me that it's a coincidence of DPMS and gnome weird settings |
| 18:37.46 | djura-san | maybe |
| 18:38.06 | djura-san | still i use xset -dpms && xset s off and now i have no problems :D |
| 18:38.10 | thewanderer1 | I'm almost sure GNOME does a "xset s on" for you :P |
| 18:38.29 | djura-san | that just means that gnome sucks big time (as i thought) |
| 18:38.45 | djura-san | but it's the only thing where my bluetooth works so... |
| 18:38.51 | thrashold | djura-san: Well, you just need to find what setting makes it do this, and change it |
| 18:39.28 | thrashold | djura-san: Bluetooth working is independent of desktop environment - Blueman works under KDE just fine, for example. And kdebluetooth should work under Gnome. |
| 18:40.07 | djura-san | thrashold: i know what *could* fix this: installing gnome screensaver, setting a value, copying that value from gconf, remove gnome screensaver and use just gconf value without package. That is just a theory |
| 18:40.31 | djura-san | btw happy 17th b-day. I know that you guys make debian spread and stuff so :D |
| 18:41.26 | djura-san | thrashold: yeah but i love dwm. THe problem is that dwm is not so good with trayers so i cant really load bluez-gnome in it. That way i cant use it :| |
| 18:41.32 | ironm | tnx jordanm :) |
| 18:41.57 | thrashold | djura-san: Well, use Blueman in it! |
| 18:42.44 | ironm | jordanm: ironm@t60p:~$ imageshack-uploader ./live-image-install.jpeg ... is it possible to get only a text-based message with links? .. instead of opening a GUI |
| 18:42.51 | djura-san | thrashold: i cant. It wont load. I tried before and it failed. |
| 18:43.05 | ironm | jordanm: http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8136/liveimageinstall.jpg |
| 18:43.09 | jordanm | ironm: not sure, never used that application |
| 18:43.30 | jordanm | ironm: is that d-i over a serial console? |
| 18:43.49 | djura-san | ah it's okay. I can live with this gnome core and a bunch of apps running in screen :D |
| 18:43.50 | ironm | jordanm: ... sorry . it was thewanderer1 ;) |
| 18:44.15 | ironm | jordanm: no .. but I use often ssh-sessions on remote hosts .. |
| 18:44.36 | ironm | thewanderer1: ironm@t60p:~$ imageshack-uploader ./live-image-install.jpeg ... is it possible to get only a text-based message with links? .. instead of opening a GUI |
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| 18:55.52 | SineDeviance | debian is the single greatest piece of software ever. ever ever. |
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| 18:56.43 | jordanm | SineDeviance: http://thank.debian.net/thank_debian |
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| 19:00.32 | SineDeviance | jordanm: thanks and done :D |
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| 19:06.16 | Akuw | hi |
| 19:06.43 | Akuw | i am trying to configure my printer using cups, cups detect printer but never can print |
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| 19:08.29 | BLZbubba | what is the easiest way to disable write caching on an ext3 filesystem? |
| 19:08.36 | BLZbubba | sync seems to be way too painful |
| 19:09.02 | jelly | BLZbubba: do you mean enable write caching? |
| 19:09.19 | BLZbubba | no, i want it disabled |
| 19:09.23 | jelly | BLZbubba: disabling it will just hurt performance further |
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| 19:09.41 | BLZbubba | probably; i want to try it though |
| 19:10.05 | jelly | hdparm. |
| 19:10.38 | jelly | oh... on a _filesystem_? For some reason I thought HDD> |
| 19:10.39 | BLZbubba | data=journal? |
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| 19:10.47 | jelly | ignore whatever I wrote. |
| 19:10.52 | BLZbubba | :) |
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| 19:10.54 | BLZbubba | it is an iscsi target |
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| 19:11.20 | BLZbubba | it seems a little slow to start with, and the write cache ends up being huge and it takes 10 minutes to run sync |
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| 19:12.28 | jelly | lower the commit= value? |
| 19:12.56 | jelly | but I bet the issue is vfs and not the fs below |
| 19:13.24 | trifler | alcohol: Mirror what? |
| 19:13.25 | BLZbubba | could be, what are some things to try at that level? |
| 19:14.16 | jelly | sys.vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs, perhaps sys.vm.dirty_expire_centisecs sysctls |
| 19:14.27 | Akuw | i am trying to configure my printer using cups, cups detect printer but never can print |
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| 19:14.36 | trifler | stew: I backlogged wasn't for me :) |
| 19:14.56 | trifler | stew: Which makes sense. |
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| 19:14.59 | BLZbubba | ah yeah i have used those before |
| 19:15.01 | jelly | BLZbubba: everything in /proc/sys/vm/dirty* probably |
| 19:15.17 | BLZbubba | good idea, i'll try that, thanks! |
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| 19:16.55 | jelly | messing with /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler might also be an idea; it used to be a bit unsafe to do that on a busy system tho |
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| 19:18.20 | jelly | if there's something smart with lots of cache on the other end, using a noop io scheduled could be beneficial |
| 19:18.29 | jelly | scheduler. |
| 19:18.50 | jelly | same thing applies to local but fast SSDs |
| 19:19.16 | jelly | (or so I read; I have no ssd experience) |
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| 19:19.54 | c3l | I entered the commands to right align nicks found here http://irssi.org/documentation/tips , but only ny own nick is right-aligned, why is this? |
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| 19:20.02 | c3l | sorry wrong channel |
| 19:20.10 | BLZbubba | jelly: cool, looks like the dirty options are what i want to try first |
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| 19:21.33 | jelly | the trick, I guess is not to let it cache too much dirty buffers because all other io stops when it finally gets flushing |
| 19:23.33 | BLZbubba | exactly |
| 19:23.54 | BLZbubba | the system had a ton of memory too, so once the cache got full it was a disaster |
| 19:23.56 | BLZbubba | has |
| 19:24.28 | BLZbubba | sync was definitely a bad idea too ;) |
| 19:24.46 | BLZbubba | unless you are nostalgic for 360k floppy performance |
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| 19:31.09 | BLZbubba | jelly: yeah setting the ratios to 1 seems to do what i want, thanks! |
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| 19:37.20 | TheSarge | Happy Birthday Bedian :) |
| 19:37.23 | TheSarge | Debian* |
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| 19:38.05 | PeterNL_ | Hi, are there wine 1.3 packages for debian testing? |
| 19:38.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | Is someone in here capable of updating this http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer?action=refresh wiki page? |
| 19:38.45 | phorce1 | is there a command line tool to view network traffic *speed* (eg. I have something downloading that doesn't tell me how fast it's moving data and I want to know) |
| 19:38.50 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: aren't you? |
| 19:38.53 | fjorgynn | idag har jag varit till! |
| 19:39.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: it's a protected page |
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| 19:39.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: I've no clue what to do, or whom to contact |
| 19:39.16 | PeterNL_ | phorce1: there was something for that. Let me think... |
| 19:39.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: The link to the flashplugin is very outdated |
| 19:39.51 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: which link? |
| 19:40.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer?action=refresh#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27amd64 in 4. |
| 19:40.28 | phorce1 | ohh, maybe iptraf. I wasn't using good apt-cache search foo |
| 19:40.47 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: but the link still works? |
| 19:40.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: yes it does |
| 19:41.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: but http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_10.1.82.76.1_amd64.deb is more stable |
| 19:41.06 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: oh, you could probably ping bartm perhaps |
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| 19:41.42 | PeterNL_ | phorce1: no, it was something else... But iptraf might work for you as well |
| 19:41.42 | abrotman | maybe he should just make a symlink to flash.latest.amd64.deb ? or osmething |
| 19:42.00 | PeterNL_ | phorce1: and maybe even gnome-system-monitor |
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| 19:42.33 | phorce1 | PeterNL_: there's also saidar and bmon (I was leaving "curses" out of my search and getting WAY too many hits to dig out the non-X ones) |
| 19:43.05 | phorce1 | PeterNL_: curses -- no X. I'm doing this over ssh and don't want to run a remote X session |
| 19:43.06 | PeterNL_ | phorce1: I just found it as well :D |
| 19:43.39 | PeterNL_ | I'm prety sure it was bmon, it-s console (migth be curses) based |
| 19:44.31 | PeterNL_ | Are there wine 1.3 packages for debian testing? |
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| 19:44.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: is he on irc sometimes? |
| 19:45.55 | phorce1 | wlan0 RX rate 1.03MiB |
| 19:46.00 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: irc.oftc.net i think |
| 19:46.01 | phorce1 | woo-hoo |
| 19:46.12 | PeterNL_ | MiB/s? |
| 19:46.18 | phorce1 | PeterNL_: yes |
| 19:46.22 | PeterNL_ | :D |
| 19:46.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: oh well I guess I'll just sign up on the debian wiki and see if I can contact him there ^^ |
| 19:47.22 | phorce1 | just jumped up to 2.3MiB/sec on a large file download |
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| 19:48.48 | PeterNL_ | I get 2.8MB/s all the time :D |
| 19:48.55 | PeterNL_ | let me test... |
| 19:49.56 | phorce1 | PeterNL_: that's with bmon. Very clean, simple output. |
| 19:50.35 | phorce1 | is used to hanging off of the T-1 at work. 150 - 160 KiB/sec max |
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| 19:50.40 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: he has an email address also? |
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| 19:51.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: yes I just found his contact information :) |
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| 20:00.48 | Techtronic | how to mount .nrg image ? |
| 20:01.36 | OpenTokix | Techtronic: use nrg2iso and convert to iso |
| 20:01.46 | OpenTokix | Techtronic: then mount as a loop device |
| 20:02.24 | Techtronic | thanks for the tip |
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| 20:09.32 | skamikaze | happy birthday sweet debian :) |
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| 20:10.00 | Evocable | skamikaze: is it deb's b-day? |
| 20:10.11 | skamikaze | http://thank.debian.net/ |
| 20:10.13 | skamikaze | 17 |
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| 20:10.33 | skamikaze | thanks to all contributing and helping |
| 20:10.34 | skamikaze | :) |
| 20:11.08 | Evocable | it's a milestone (ish) |
| 20:11.17 | Evocable | and it means it's as old as me |
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| 20:11.56 | Evocable | wow, that's weird |
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| 20:13.55 | abrotman | odd .. it's not nearly as old as me |
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| 20:14.55 | stew | abrotman: perhaps in a few years then |
| 20:15.21 | abrotman | oh yes! |
| 20:15.40 | thewanderer1 | yes, Debian will age faster than you :P |
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| 20:15.52 | Evocable | yep, 19 days after me. |
| 20:15.56 | Evocable | wow. |
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| 20:27.28 | slackerr | 17 year of Debian. Congratulations to all |
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| 20:28.59 | slackerr | have a problem with usb-haddrive. when i play some music from one dir, it crashes with dmesg error : [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK |
| 20:29.20 | slackerr | no errors in fsck.ext3 logs, no badblocks |
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| 20:29.54 | slackerr | no changes in old Lenny installation |
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| 20:34.44 | josch | doing apt-get install xserver-xorg will install xserver-xorg-input-all and xserver-xorg-video-all. when i apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-foobar it will select xserver-xorg-video-foobar instead of xserver-xorg-video-all but will still install xserver-xorg-input-all. if I apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-foobar xserver-xorg-input-baz the effect is the same. i would have expected that the latter command would select both foobar and baz video and input d |
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| 20:50.12 | kmonk | josch: apt-get --no-install-recommends install is a great way to further reduce unnecessary packages from being installed |
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| 20:53.40 | josch | kmonk: i'm already doing that |
| 20:53.56 | josch | kmonk: i have that in my apt.conf |
| 20:53.58 | thewanderer1 | kmonk: why isn't that mentioned in the manpage? I've always had to use aptitude for that -.- |
| 20:54.39 | josch | thewanderer1: for me it is mentioned in the man page |
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| 20:55.14 | jhutchins_lt | slackerr: Is the drive S.M.A.R.T. capable? |
| 20:55.16 | kmonk | thewanderer1: it's in there :) buried under piles of 99% pointless variables and switches |
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| 20:55.46 | kmonk | thar be diamonds in that dirt i say |
| 20:56.15 | thewanderer1 | oh, it's there |
| 20:56.20 | thewanderer1 | *twice* |
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| 20:56.55 | kmonk | tkman :) |
| 20:57.07 | slackerr | jhutchins_lt: yes, 250GB Toshiba. But i have too few expirience in SMART-understanding. And now i tried to other machine, my laptop with squeese. Here no any errors on same folders/files |
| 20:57.43 | themill | you're usually better off turning it off recommends for one installation only or preventing one package being installed with ":" instead of disabling them always. They are enabled by default for a reason. |
| 20:58.09 | josch | i faired well so far with disabling recommends globally |
| 20:58.20 | josch | i just discovered that using aptitude solved my problem |
| 20:58.33 | josch | is it advised to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 20:58.48 | kmonk | ot |
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| 20:59.02 | thewanderer1 | josch: in this channel, and for new users, and for system upgrades - yes, it is |
| 20:59.09 | themill | josch: understand that you're using non-default configurations of packages and that you *will* miss out on functionality that is part of the default features. |
| 20:59.17 | kmonk | * it's reccomended to use one or the other, as apposed to switching between them because it can mess with dpkg in a bad way |
| 21:00.05 | themill | kmonk: no, you should be able to switch with no problems at all. Just pay attention to automatic removals. (and just use aptitude anyway) |
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| 21:00.51 | josch | is aptitude thought to replace apt-get in the future? |
| 21:01.22 | kmonk | i hope not or i will have to rewrite my totally awesome apt-get script >_< |
| 21:02.28 | kmonk | i doubt aptitude will replace apt-get, or vise versa they just do things differently vim to emacs. |
| 21:02.42 | thewanderer1 | (hint: emacs can emulate vim) |
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| 21:04.08 | thewanderer1 | I thought another dpkg frontend was being developed, anyway, so things are going to get interesting, but Debian rarely drops frontends. |
| 21:04.36 | kmonk | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=51644 here's the one i scratched up for apt-get. |
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| 21:05.33 | kmonk | consider porting to aptitude and changing it around heaps, for now it's a 'proof of concept' more then a truely useful thing. |
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| 21:06.56 | adac | on which port does tomcat run by default installation? |
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| 21:07.48 | rpgdude | does anyone know how to use pbuilder? |
| 21:08.02 | stew | rpgdude: lots of people |
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| 21:08.47 | rpgdude | im trying to use pdebuild instead of debuild |
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| 21:09.13 | rpgdude | which builds build depends automatically, correct? |
| 21:09.34 | rpgdude | and it is not building the build depends |
| 21:09.35 | stew | rpgdude: no, it fetches them automatically into a (hopefully) clean chroot |
| 21:09.56 | rpgdude | if i use pbuilder build it works |
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| 21:10.05 | rpgdude | pdebuild doesnt work though |
| 21:10.21 | rpgdude | it doesnt even try to build the build depends |
| 21:10.44 | kmonk | well now |
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| 21:11.17 | stew | rpgdude: perhaps you need to tell pdebuild what command you want it to run for pbuilder |
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| 21:11.59 | kmonk | rpgdude: dpkg-depcheck -d ./configure and if there is a configure file, dpkg will print what packages you need to compile the source |
| 21:12.45 | stew | it sounds like the packages needed are already listed in the control file |
| 21:12.54 | rpgdude | my package build depends on javahelper |
| 21:13.03 | rpgdude | its in the control file |
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| 21:13.25 | rpgdude | and it works great if i use pbuilder build blah.dsc |
| 21:13.38 | markit | how can I programmatically (from bash script) set locales and tzdata? any one knows the answer? |
| 21:13.42 | rpgdude | but if i try to use pdebuild it doesnt work |
| 21:14.00 | stew | rpgdude: show us what happens when you run pdebuild |
| 21:14.45 | kmonk | pdebuild? never heard of it wont touch it ;s |
| 21:15.56 | rpgdude | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: javahelper (>= 0.31) |
| 21:15.56 | rpgdude | W: Unmet build-dependency in source |
| 21:15.56 | rpgdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.22 | stew | rpgdude: that's the entire output? |
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| 21:16.25 | rpgdude | no |
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| 21:16.40 | rpgdude | then it just outputs the usual stuff from dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 21:17.33 | rpgdude | and fails because of unmet build depends |
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| 21:18.42 | moldovean | , versions javahelper |
| 21:18.44 | judd | javahelper -- lenny: 0.17; sid: 0.32; squeeze: 0.32 |
| 21:18.49 | raboof | wow the 'thank debian' balloons are really annoying :) - but happy birthday Debian :) - been a happy user since Hamm |
| 21:19.10 | sammcd | my server randomly stopped talking to one host. |
| 21:19.44 | JordiGH | I was wondering why we were getting thank you emails in our mailing lists. |
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| 21:19.51 | sammcd | when I curl them I get couldn't connect to host. Any suggestions? |
| 21:20.17 | rpgdude | it looks like pdebuild is not invoking pbuilder-satisfydepends |
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| 21:22.54 | sneezewort | Hello all, does someone know a sed command to get the IP addresses between "from" and "port" in /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 21:23.51 | karlpinc | sneezewort: Try cut, it's easier than sed. |
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| 21:24.45 | JordiGH | Or awk. |
| 21:25.00 | JordiGH | doesn't know what awk can do other than splitting up into columns. |
| 21:25.53 | thewanderer1 | <offtopic regarding="sed and awk"> http://www.mulaz.org/spam/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/uf013530.gif </offtopic> |
| 21:26.51 | xyan | :O |
| 21:28.00 | xyan | sneezewort: sed -n 's/.*from \([0-9.]\+\).*/\1/p' /var/log/auth.log |
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| 21:28.46 | sneezewort | xyan: You sir are a master. |
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| 21:30.29 | pfc_ | I need recommendations as to what e-mail server software to use on a debian server. I know there are lots of them, but dont know whats best.(its going to have <100 accounts) |
| 21:30.30 | heroid | i installed debian lenny kde but im having problems connecting to wireless |
| 21:30.37 | heroid | anny need some help |
| 21:30.47 | JordiGH | pfc_: exim4 has served me wel. |
| 21:30.48 | JordiGH | l |
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| 21:31.47 | Kapace | what do you do if you wake up one morning, apt-get something, and this appears: http://dpaste.com/229875/ |
| 21:32.29 | xyan | shit bricks and ask myself what i have done the night before |
| 21:33.01 | JordiGH | Kapace: Hm. So you don't have /var/log ? |
| 21:33.17 | Kapace | yes i have /var/log |
| 21:33.38 | JordiGH | Do you have... /var/log/dmesg? |
| 21:33.40 | Kapace | i can cd there, and "cat dmesg" |
| 21:33.42 | Kapace | but |
| 21:33.47 | Kapace | cat: dmesg: No such device or address |
| 21:34.43 | Kapace | ah, sudo rm dmesg, and it seems to be working |
| 21:35.13 | Kapace | i think my kernel segfaulted :| |
| 21:36.12 | rpgdude | i think i should file a bug for my issue |
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| 21:38.14 | veganman | hello |
| 21:38.46 | veganman | Preparing to replace udev 0.125-7+lenny3 (using .../archives/udev_160-1_amd64.deb) ... |
| 21:38.50 | veganman | Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED |
| 21:38.54 | veganman | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_160-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 21:38.54 | dpkg | veganman: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 21:38.57 | veganman | help! |
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| 21:39.50 | veganman | 14:39 <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, veganman |
| 21:39.56 | veganman | ? |
| 21:40.19 | JordiGH | dpkg can be a bit snarky... |
| 21:40.20 | dpkg | JordiGH: i haven't a clue |
| 21:40.22 | JordiGH | See? |
| 21:41.21 | jordanm | !tell veganman about udev squeeze |
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| 21:41.56 | jordanm | veganman: I hope upgrading to testing was the goal |
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| 21:42.12 | veganman | jordanm: yes thanks a lot! |
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| 21:44.17 | kmonk | "<dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, " that's just mean! |
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| 21:48.00 | jhutchins_lt | Kapace: cat dmesg is not a valid command. cat /var/log/dmesg would give you binary garbage. dmesg, or dmesg | less is probably what you want. |
| 21:48.09 | veganman | jordanm: that didn't work though.... |
| 21:48.19 | veganman | jordanm: "Current status: 244 updates [-11]." |
| 21:48.22 | jordanm | veganman: it does work |
| 21:48.33 | Kapace | jhutchins_lt, i was in /var/log |
| 21:48.41 | Kapace | and i fixed it already, but thanks anyways |
| 21:48.57 | jordanm | veganman: why are you "upgrading" to testing? |
| 21:49.13 | veganman | because I would like to live dangerously |
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| 21:57.27 | sawyer__ | i've compiled a program statically using gnu libc on Debian ARM and i put it on android (which is ARM with a different libc - bionic). for some reason i'm getting "not found" when i try to run it. |
| 21:57.34 | sawyer__ | would anyone have any idea why this *might* be? |
| 21:57.57 | sawyer__ | (and it's not strictly a debian question, i know.. but you guys are more knowledgeable and answer much better than anyone on #android or #android-dev) |
| 21:58.04 | veganman | jordanm: it didn't work: ii udev 0.125-7+lenny3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
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| 21:58.38 | jordanm | veganman: uname -r? |
| 21:58.46 | veganman | jason@arsenic:~$ uname -r |
| 21:58.46 | veganman | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 21:59.08 | jordanm | veganman: did you even read the factoid I sent you?? |
| 21:59.45 | veganman | is there a way I can upgrade the kernel w/o udev? |
| 21:59.56 | xyan | there was an easier way to do that by touching some file in /etc/ and udev will upgrade w/o the restart.. forgot its filename though |
| 22:00.05 | jordanm | veganman: yes... |
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| 22:00.18 | jordanm | veganman: the factoid would not make any sense if you couldn't |
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| 22:03.06 | xyan | veganman: touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade, install udev _and_ install the new kernel _before_ reboot then |
| 22:03.40 | jordanm | xyan: is that documented somewhere? |
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| 22:03.57 | xyan | jordanm: nope it was a message of an earlier udev version (157 or something) |
| 22:04.31 | jordanm | xyan: have you tested it? |
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| 22:05.02 | xyan | jordanm: yes a while ago when that change happened in sid |
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| 22:05.35 | jordanm | xyan: might want to test again and mention on debian-doc@l.d.o for the release notes if it works properly |
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| 22:06.17 | xyan | jordanm: can do a quick vm lenny->squeeze transition tomorrow maybe |
| 22:07.24 | themill | #571255 remains open, implying that's still how you have to do it unless you upgrade the kernel first |
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| 22:08.04 | veganman | what's the kernel name these days? |
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| 22:08.46 | veganman | got it |
| 22:08.50 | jordanm | themill: I would read that but there are part baloons in the way! |
| 22:09.11 | themill | !spank jordanm |
| 22:09.12 | dpkg | bends jordanm over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 22:09.33 | jelly-hme | *razzlefrazzle* blns |
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| 22:09.54 | jelly-hme | they've even invaded reportbug-ng |
| 22:09.58 | moldovean | jordanm, desable JS .. |
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| 22:10.47 | YankDownUnder | Happy Birthday Debian! http://digitizor.com/2010/08/16/happy-17th-birthday-debian-and-some-interesting-history/ |
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| 22:17.07 | alecjw | hi there, anyone having trouble with flash player not registering mouse clicks? |
| 22:18.08 | DanDare | alecjw, theres any other weird stuff happening about mouse or just the flash issue ? |
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| 22:18.54 | alecjw | DanDare, just flash. it happened on my gentoo system too i think |
| 22:18.54 | xyan | alecjw: what browser? |
| 22:19.03 | alecjw | xyan, iceweasel |
| 22:19.15 | xyan | alecjw: try (from a terminal) "GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true iceweasel" |
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| 22:20.22 | alecjw | xyan, that seems to work. thanks! |
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| 22:23.41 | puff | Where does apt keep its lockfile? |
| 22:23.56 | Lns | Happy birthday Debian! |
| 22:24.06 | Lns | cheers the channel |
| 22:24.08 | jordanm | puff: have to ask why |
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| 22:24.54 | puff | jordanm: Why? |
| 22:25.00 | JordiGH | !balloons |
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| 22:25.58 | jordanm | puff: are you asking because you plan to manually remove it? |
| 22:26.48 | nsadmin | are you asking because you invoked somethign that told you you can't because of the lockfile? |
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| 22:27.42 | jordanm | actually, I think it gives absolute path when that error is thrown |
| 22:28.11 | nsadmin | if so, show exactly what you did (what command) and exact message it gave |
| 22:28.33 | nsadmin | oh, then maybe he got "cannot obtain lock; are you root" |
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| 22:29.40 | nsadmin | puff: in any case you're nonresponsive... man dpkg might have the lockfile location in it somewhere |
| 22:29.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, is it quizz-hour again? |
| 22:29.48 | mo_o | mm i just created a cronjob using crontab -e |
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| 22:30.00 | mo_o | it looks like it doesnt start |
| 22:30.07 | mo_o | do i have to do something else? |
| 22:30.19 | jordanm | mo_o: no |
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| 22:30.41 | jordanm | mo_o: what did you set it to? how do you know it didn't work? |
| 22:31.18 | mo_o | b/c the program is definitely generating output which i pipe into a file but that file does not get any output |
| 22:31.44 | nsadmin | show the exact crontab entry |
| 22:31.55 | jammi | hi, why is the calendarserver missing from squeeze, but present on sid and lenny? |
| 22:32.04 | Cain | Hi, How to give the power of 'compiling' to a user ? |
| 22:32.06 | mo_o | */60 * * * * /usr/bin/java -Xmx1024m -jar /data/BenchmarkScript/kdtreeClient.jar --poifile /data/DemographicCentroidPOIFile.txt --pings 500000 --port 65532 --server localhost --k 5 --type 0 --pingfile /data/BenchmarkScript/pingsSorted.txt > /data/longtime_test.txt 2&>1 |
| 22:32.44 | nsadmin | Cain: install the compilers, they already have "the power" |
| 22:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | use the force, luke skywalker! |
| 22:33.27 | Cain | nsadmin : i have this errorwhen trying to compile sbnc under a fresh user |
| 22:33.28 | Cain | error: C++ compiler cannot create executables |
| 22:33.48 | Cain | JediCompil ? :p |
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| 22:34.23 | mo_o | jordanm: idea? |
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| 22:34.42 | mo_o | if i execute the command like that on the shell, it works perfectly |
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| 22:35.29 | nsadmin | Cain, when you try to do what? |
| 22:36.11 | nsadmin | Cain, you're not trying to do anything like retargeted- or cross-compilation? |
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| 22:36.40 | Cain | nsadmin : i want to compile a program to be used by a specific user (should i compil/install it with root or that user ?) |
| 22:36.46 | jordanm | mo_o: well, I would expect that to work, assuming the command does. do something simplier such as "date > /root/test". but for every our * */1 * * * |
| 22:36.47 | Cain | (maybe i'm lost !) |
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| 22:37.06 | nsadmin | the compiler runs on the same machine you want to produce executables for? |
| 22:37.13 | Cain | yep |
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| 22:37.26 | nsadmin | ok, so no retargeted no cross |
| 22:37.45 | Cain | cross-compilation sounds complicated to me anyway :p |
| 22:37.50 | nsadmin | meetoo |
| 22:38.02 | jordanm | mo_o: also, your crontab should end in a newline |
| 22:38.32 | Cain | so if i run ./config & make& make install to install it with root the 'normal user' will be able to use it ? |
| 22:38.55 | jordanm | mo_o: cron might not have the environment variables available that your shell has |
| 22:38.55 | nsadmin | I suppose... but you're saying it works as root? |
| 22:39.12 | Cain | i don't know yet but i guess it'll work |
| 22:39.23 | nsadmin | that would not be my guess |
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| 22:39.29 | Cain | (i already install some programs the same way by root) |
| 22:39.30 | mo_o | jordanm: mm which one does it need?? |
| 22:39.41 | nsadmin | c++ programs? |
| 22:39.43 | Cain | nsadmin let me try then ^^ |
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| 22:40.00 | mo_o | * */1* * *data > /data/test does not work either |
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| 22:40.07 | mo_o | at least it dont see the file test |
| 22:40.08 | jordanm | mo_o: I don't know your application |
| 22:40.20 | mo_o | and it should start once right away, shouldnt it? |
| 22:40.21 | Cain | nsadmin : .... same error with root |
| 22:40.24 | jordanm | mo_o: no |
| 22:40.31 | mo_o | oh now it did |
| 22:40.47 | nsadmin | Cain: you installed other c++ prgrams? |
| 22:40.51 | mo_o | maybe it's the /60? |
| 22:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder if that's anything to do with mounting something noexec... still... that shouldn't stop the compiler from making it... |
| 22:41.01 | jordanm | mo_o: yes, that would be an issue |
| 22:41.08 | Cain | nsadmin : no |
| 22:41.13 | jordanm | mo_o: if you look in man 5 crontab, "minutes" is 0-59 |
| 22:41.17 | mo_o | so if i want sthg to run every minute, how else would i do it? |
| 22:41.29 | nsadmin | ok, so something's missing for the c++ compiler then |
| 22:41.35 | mo_o | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.47 | nsadmin | maybe build-essential installs whatever's missing |
| 22:42.10 | Cain | nsadmin : yes !! |
| 22:42.21 | jordanm | mo_o: have a look at man 5 crontab |
| 22:42.24 | Cain | sorry for disturbing ^^' |
| 22:43.00 | nsadmin | Cain: you probably had libstdc++ missing |
| 22:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, and apropos crosscompiling... what if you try to compile something that needs to be 32bit on a 64bit system? |
| 22:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | still... what a weird error |
| 22:43.22 | Cain | nsadmin : i simply miss build-essential... |
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| 22:43.35 | nsadmin | which also installed what? |
| 22:43.36 | Cain | now ./configure works |
| 22:44.05 | Cain | g++ also |
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| 22:44.14 | nsadmin | oh. the compiler. |
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| 22:44.20 | mo_o | oh |
| 22:44.28 | Cain | nsadmin : right :D |
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| 22:44.54 | nsadmin | it woudl be hard for a compiler to produce executables if it's not on the machine yet |
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| 22:45.21 | mo_o | just * * * * * |
| 22:45.23 | mo_o | ^^ |
| 22:45.24 | mo_o | thx ;) |
| 22:46.31 | nsadmin | mo_o: also remember that some cronds have 5-min resolution, so even if you say * * * * * it runs every 5 mins |
| 22:47.00 | mo_o | yeah well, that's okay |
| 22:47.11 | mo_o | i just want to test if it stays up or crashes |
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| 22:47.26 | jordanm | */1 * * * * |
| 22:47.28 | mo_o | when it runs for a week or more |
| 22:47.58 | mo_o | oh that's what you mean |
| 22:48.15 | nsadmin | mo_o, you'll also want to do something like * * * * * /full/path/to/executable params etc |
| 22:48.36 | jordanm | nsadmin: he had that |
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| 22:48.53 | mo_o | nsadmin: yeah i'm using full paths |
| 22:48.54 | jordanm | the executable was not in a place defined by FHS, or likely in his PATH :) |
| 22:49.00 | nsadmin | oh, one of the lines he showed didn't |
| 22:49.03 | mo_o | thanks guys ;) |
| 22:49.05 | nsadmin | just makign sure |
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| 22:54.02 | nsadmin | not sure, but probably -his- path is irrelevent, and crond's path is definitive... anyway, specifying full path takes care of that |
| 22:55.03 | tharkun | reminds that cron jobs do not usually have environment variables, therfore care must be taken to set things without them |
| 22:56.09 | nsadmin | well a cron job is a process just like any other, all processes have env vars... the only issue being, how to set them if necessary |
| 22:56.51 | KB1JWQ | What's the proper method to query various repositories (main and backports in this case) for their current version of a specific package (irssi in this case)? |
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| 22:57.22 | nsadmin | you could browse packages.debian.org |
| 22:57.58 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: 5 minute resolutions sounds strange, but it _is_ configurable. |
| 22:58.09 | tharkun | KB1JWQ: there is allways judd |
| 22:58.11 | nsadmin | oh that's right, debian has "the proper way" to do everything... |
| 22:58.21 | KB1JWQ | judd? |
| 22:58.31 | themill | ,versions irssi |
| 22:58.33 | judd | irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-3; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.15-1; squeeze: 0.8.15-1 |
| 22:58.36 | KB1JWQ | Ahhh. |
| 22:58.47 | nsadmin | juddmann! |
| 22:58.48 | KB1JWQ | There a simple way to get that info from the CLI? |
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| 22:58.50 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: packages.debian.org/irssi |
| 22:58.52 | themill | KB1JWQ: "apt-cache policy irssi" if you have them in your sources.list |
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| 22:59.05 | abrotman | or w3m browser pointed at said URL! |
| 22:59.16 | themill | KB1JWQ: "rmadison irssi" if you don't. |
| 22:59.22 | stew | KB1JWQ: "rmadison packagename" but it won't check backports, it only checks the official repositories |
| 22:59.56 | themill | stew: "rmadison -u bpo irssi" ftw :) |
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| 23:00.02 | stew | aha |
| 23:00.25 | s3a | is x11-xserver-utils the package for the xserver itself? |
| 23:00.31 | s3a | if not, what is? |
| 23:00.32 | abrotman | s3a: xorg |
| 23:00.42 | nsadmin | who's rmadison and where's his gf dolly? |
| 23:01.02 | s3a | abrotman, what's the difference between xorg and xserver-xorg? |
| 23:01.23 | stew | rmadison remotely queries the script that used to be called madison (when all the archive scripts were named after girls) |
| 23:01.26 | abrotman | you should be using xorg, which pulls in xserver-xorg |
| 23:01.56 | nsadmin | that's one way to get girls into debian! |
| 23:01.59 | s3a | abrotman, i have the latter |
| 23:02.04 | s3a | only |
| 23:02.13 | s3a | is that a problem? |
| 23:02.19 | abrotman | it can be |
| 23:02.27 | kmonk_afk | s3a... you can apt-cache show <pkgname> to find out what it includes. |
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| 23:03.10 | stew | s3a: you need a lot more packages than just xserver-xorg to run x, such as a video driver, some input drivers, fonts, etcetera, xorg tries to pull all those in for you |
| 23:03.44 | KB1JWQ | Thanks for the help. :-) |
| 23:03.54 | s3a | stew, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon would pull everything i need, right? |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | s3a: aptitude install xorg |
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| 23:04.21 | s3a | abrotman, is xorg a metapackage or something additional? |
| 23:05.04 | abrotman | s3a: yes, it's a metapackage, please use it to install xorg .. if you're not going to take the advice, why ask? |
| 23:05.25 | s3a | i'm not refusing the advice, i'm just trying to see what it does |
| 23:05.32 | s3a | i did apt-get install xorg |
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| 23:05.36 | abrotman | s3a: aptitude install xorg |
| 23:05.37 | s3a | and it's just installing fonts |
| 23:05.49 | s3a | i stick with apt-get |
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| 23:06.20 | vadim | Have anybody tried to install slrn (text usenet client) with openssl? |
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| 23:08.36 | navis | hello world, and happy birthday to debian |
| 23:09.09 | s3a | i'm only 1 year older than debian |
| 23:09.21 | navis | for some reason that I can't remember (maybe it's the default), my gnome desktop is configured to use pulseaudio |
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| 23:09.44 | Circuitsoft | Hello. Where is the best place to ask questions about libvirt? |
| 23:09.48 | navis | and I have problems when it has to interract with sound in iceweasel |
| 23:10.07 | navis | it seems that the flash plugin should talk to pulse, but it doesn't |
| 23:10.32 | navis | it grabs the sound card, and from then on I can't play any other sound |
| 23:11.02 | navis | I have read that flash 10 shouldn't have this problemn, but.... it has. |
| 23:11.10 | navis | could someone help ? |
| 23:11.40 | kmonk_afk | Circuitsoft: http://libvirt.org ? |
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| 23:12.12 | kmonk_afk | or #linux |
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| 23:13.10 | Circuitsoft | kmonk_afk - Thanks. I'll try #linux. |
| 23:13.16 | abrotman | it's ##linux |
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| 23:13.27 | Circuitsoft | Redirected automatically. |
| 23:13.40 | navis | if gnome can live without pulse with all functionnality, I could remove pulse, but I don't know what would happen and am scared to try :-) |
| 23:13.57 | kmonk | still, nothing wrong with accuracy |
| 23:14.03 | abrotman | i use gnome, i don't use pulse |
| 23:14.13 | navis | so first question: what is the default sound system for gnome ? |
| 23:15.25 | navis | abrotman: and you have full sound functionnality ? system sounds, audio and video players,... ? |
| 23:15.45 | abrotman | i have some libs installed, but i don't remember configuring it |
| 23:15.52 | navis | (I can't remember why I installed pulse...) |
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| 23:16.14 | kmonk | navis: alsa and alsa-oss covers most things. |
| 23:17.15 | kmonk | if you're using apt-get ensure proper removal with purge and make sure you arent removing anything important in the process? it shouldn't be a problem gnome will pickup alsa if it's there and pulse is not |
| 23:17.50 | tharkun | fwiw gnome does not install pulse by default |
| 23:17.50 | navis | so no need anymore to play with esd or pulse? |
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| 23:18.16 | navis | ok I'll jump and remove pulse... |
| 23:18.21 | tharkun | navis: well gnome does install libesd0 |
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| 23:19.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grub error 16 |
| 23:19.36 | dpkg | For grub error 16, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml |
| 23:19.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it only lists 15 and 17 :( |
| 23:19.46 | stew | i gnome-media Suggests pulseaudio |
| 23:19.46 | kmonk | good ol alsa, nothing wrong with it. keepin it simple and capable. |
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| 23:20.30 | kmonk | gnome suggests many things, stew |
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| 23:20.50 | navis | there should be an additionnal field for a suggest: what does it bring |
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| 23:21.07 | navis | that the original package doesn't have |
| 23:21.12 | jhutchins_lt | navis: pulse solves problems that 99% of users don't have. It causes problems for people who don't need it. It's safe to remove. |
| 23:21.34 | navis | seen like that, I remove it :-) |
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| 23:21.51 | jhutchins_lt | kmonk: aptitude. Better dependency management, especially for installed packages. |
| 23:22.07 | navis | damn, gnome-media depends on libpulse... |
| 23:22.19 | kmonk | think of suggests as not superficial, just flamboyant. |
| 23:22.44 | tharkun | navis: well it does work without pulse |
| 23:23.01 | kmonk | and often suggestions are silly no? |
| 23:23.13 | tharkun | navis: what release are you running? |
| 23:23.27 | navis | sid |
| 23:23.39 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 23:23.39 | dpkg | ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! ) |
| 23:23.54 | kmonk | jhutchins: will it matter if i have apt-get and aptitude conceding on a single system... or will i have to ditch apt-get |
| 23:24.03 | navis | thanks dpkg, I feel better now :-) |
| 23:24.26 | stew | navis: in sid at least, gnome-media only suggests pulseaudio, not depends on it |
| 23:24.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, pisces? |
| 23:24.45 | kmonk | when i was running sid, the only way i could use it was to keep it minimalistic as possible and keep an eye on apt-listbugs |
| 23:25.01 | tharkun | kmonk: i have been running with a mixture of aptitude and apt-get installations, depending on the brightness of the day. I have yet to get a problem because of it |
| 23:26.02 | kmonk | interesting, yet they resolve different dependencies? i'm so lost when it comes to comparing the two, all i figured is that you shouldn't mix them. |
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| 23:26.59 | stew | there is not as big of a problem with mixing them as there was before apt-get had the concept of 'auto-installed' packages. you still can't expect apt-get to know about some of the extra stuff like "forbid versions" that you can do in aptitude |
| 23:27.00 | Vasistha | I am using an ISP with very slow dns. Is it easy to make my box do a little dns caching? |
| 23:27.01 | kmonk | yet aptitude is already installed! how's about that. |
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| 23:27.49 | kmonk | ok, so they mark packages differently. |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | Vasistha: sure, intall bind or dnsmasq .. they both default to caching dns by default |
| 23:28.15 | kmonk | that doesn't worry me, i dont mark/forbid packages - ever. always leads to problems downstream |
| 23:28.24 | Vasistha | abrotman: thanks! |
| 23:28.39 | abrotman | Vasistha: there's also pdns, not sure if it's caching by default |
| 23:29.10 | tharkun | Vasistha: remember to fix you /etc/resolv.conf file to point to your self and fix the default config of bind if you opt for that solution |
| 23:29.18 | s3a | what does the "more" command do briefly? the manual seems to complex for me |
| 23:29.29 | Vasistha | abrotman: I am looking for easy ;) It would be nice to be able to control the length of time for which things are cached, and be able to look at the list, but ... honestly, that's not so important |
| 23:29.52 | abrotman | s3a: it's a console pager |
| 23:29.55 | Vasistha | tharkun: ohh ... so then I'll have to configure the dns server to ... uh ... how will it know what dns server to look at? |
| 23:29.57 | stew | Vasistha: things are cached as long as the authoritative server says they can be cached for |
| 23:30.12 | stew | tharkun: what has to be fixed in the default config of bind? |
| 23:30.20 | Bushmills | Vasistha: maradns is fast, has small mem footprint, and can be used as recursive name server, or using an upstream server, next to being able to run as authoritative name server |
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| 23:31.12 | Bushmills | in case of recursing itself, it won't ask your isp name server, but traverse the dns tree by itself |
| 23:31.21 | tharkun | Vasistha: the ttl (time to live) is determined by the rr of the Start of Authority. I believe it is dnsmasq the one you are looking for since bind will ask root servers |
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| 23:31.47 | s3a | abrotman, so it's just a read-only viewer for text? |
| 23:31.52 | s3a | abrotman, like the cat command? |
| 23:31.54 | Bushmills | oh, in addition, it is rather simple to set up |
| 23:32.00 | navis | ok, restarting gnome |
| 23:32.16 | stew | s3a: yes, but cat will keep going, more will stop every page and wait for you to tell it to continue |
| 23:32.18 | Bop | anyone here with a soundblaster Live ! ? |
| 23:32.23 | Vasistha | tharkun: I guess I have heard rumors that bind is a bit bloated, so it's nice to hear that recommendation. Can't help being curious about pdns and maradns as well, though |
| 23:32.30 | tharkun | stew: The default config of bind does not fiddles with /etc/resolv.conf if you want to resolv all dns queries using the local dns server you have to fix that little detail |
| 23:32.35 | stew | s3a: most people use less instead of more because less is more than more, it lets you do things like go backwards |
| 23:33.08 | KB1JWQ | What's the difference between apt-* and aptitude? |
| 23:33.09 | s3a | stew, ya i read that on wikipedia actually and the manual i think but what's the difference between more/less compared to cat? |
| 23:33.19 | abrotman | !tell KB1JWQ about why aptitude |
| 23:33.38 | tharkun | Vasistha: bind is usually an overkill for a single machine it is usually used for network dns resolution |
| 23:33.52 | stew | < stew> s3a: yes, but cat will keep going, more will stop every page and wait for you to tell it to continue |
| 23:34.03 | tharkun | It is indeed hardened enought to be directly exposed to the internet |
| 23:34.22 | s3a | stew, what's a "page" like a page as in a paper? |
| 23:34.30 | kmonk | less is more because more less goes into more... more or less. |
| 23:34.36 | Vasistha | s3a: a screenfull |
| 23:34.44 | stew | s3a: how much stuff can be seen in a window at once without some scrolling off the top |
| 23:34.51 | s3a | o i see |
| 23:35.08 | tharkun | s3a: if you want something else instead of more you can allways use most |
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| 23:35.29 | s3a | i have a problem though: http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/all#kernel 3.1 - Testing Tablet Detection |
| 23:35.55 | s3a | more /proc/bus/usb/devices and more /proc/bus/input/devices gives me "No such file or directory" |
| 23:36.03 | s3a | give* |
| 23:36.25 | s3a | tharkun, what's the difference between all the aformentioned and most? |
| 23:36.33 | tharkun | colors |
| 23:36.51 | s3a | i like colors :) |
| 23:36.53 | s3a | i'll check it out |
| 23:37.22 | tharkun | different keybindings but you can change them to taste |
| 23:37.34 | s3a | o i'm already used to nano |
| 23:38.08 | kmonk | nano-tiny... lawl |
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| 23:38.48 | s3a | what's the difference between nano and nano-tiny? what does nano-tiny lack? |
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| 23:39.29 | kmonk | it's pretty much the same, just less. |
| 23:39.49 | kmonk | the interface looks kinda maggoted |
| 23:39.54 | abrotman | these packages do have descriptions |
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| 23:41.07 | kmonk | "small, friendly text editor inspired by Pico" |
| 23:43.55 | kmonk | meh who needs next editor, just use echo blah >> file |
| 23:44.21 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 23:44.21 | dpkg | xemacs doesn't deserve to be in any Linux distribution. |
| 23:44.33 | stew | hear hear |
| 23:46.09 | s3a | kmonk, what if you want to edit a line? |
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| 23:46.14 | s3a | instead of adding one |
| 23:46.15 | billy__ | hi, is the debian base security model documented anywhere i'd have access to? |
| 23:46.21 | beardy | !ed |
| 23:46.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ed is the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html, or http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu&output=gplain |
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| 23:46.50 | stew | billy__: what do you mean by "base security model"? |
| 23:47.08 | kmonk | that first link is dead :( |
| 23:47.11 | s5s | How can I test whether my sound is working? |
| 23:47.30 | billy__ | stew: sorry, i only speak english |
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| 23:48.44 | jordanm | !tell s5s about alsa checklist |
| 23:48.50 | stew | billy__: same here |
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| 23:49.27 | billy__ | stew: it cant be said any simpler! |
| 23:49.36 | stew | billy__: what is a "base security model"? |
| 23:49.41 | jordanm | it can be less vague |
| 23:49.58 | kmonk | billy__: I think the most important thing about debian's security is the security tests which are preformed on any given program before they can enter the stable repository. |
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| 23:50.19 | stew | kmonk: what security tests? |
| 23:50.38 | kmonk | can't remember |
| 23:50.45 | abrotman | that was useful |
| 23:50.53 | stew | but its the most important thing |
| 23:50.57 | stew | and I don't believe it exists |
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| 23:51.25 | stew | we certainly don't have tests like that for packages to enter unstable, or from unstable to testing, or when we rename testing to stable |
| 23:51.27 | billy__ | forget i asked! |
| 23:51.35 | stew | unless the tests are "we wait for someone to file a bug" |
| 23:51.35 | beardy | I assume he means the fuzztalk like Bel La Padula, "Orange book" and so on. |
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| 23:51.44 | abrotman | asked what? |
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| 23:53.00 | jordanm | !tell billy__ about harden |
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| 23:53.16 | jordanm | should harden mention selinux? |
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| 23:53.42 | beardy | billy__: Package security involves signing. System access is handled by PAM, refine your question. |
| 23:53.54 | navis | thanks all, works much better now, and with no restriction that I can see |
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| 23:56.17 | kmonk | billy__: Q: How is security handled in Debian? |
| 23:56.31 | kmonk | A: Once the security team receives a notification of an incident, one or more members review it and consider its impact on the stable release of Debian (i.e. if it's vulnerable or not). If our system is vulnerable, we work on a fix for the problem. The package maintainer is contacted as well, if they didn't contact the security team already. Finally, the fix is tested and new packages are prepared, which are then compiled |
| 23:56.43 | kmonk | http://www.debian.org/security/faq#handling |
| 23:57.21 | abrotman | maybe someone should wait for billy__ to clarify what he's asking about .. his original question was very vague |
| 23:58.31 | Vasistha | Bushmills: I decided to try maradns. From a very shallow exploration, it appears to be the most lightweight. I am thinking it might be working now -- I set /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 -- I am wondering where maradns stores its db? |
| 23:59.03 | Bushmills | non-persistently, in RAM |
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| 23:59.39 | Bushmills | thus, it's cache won't survive a reboot |
