| 00:00.40 | Vasistha | oh, how interesting. And I guess it gets its info by querying root servers rather than, say, an ISP's dns server? |
| 00:01.31 | Bushmills | your choice. but if your isp name server is slow, you might prefer setting it up as recursive name server. |
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| 00:01.59 | kmonk | http://www.debian.org/security/ is where those advisories go. to exclude those vulnerabilities from making their way into stable. i guess that's the security model. testing, fixing security issues is a core element as to how long a package stays in each stage of the release cycle. does that answer your question billy__? |
| 00:02.04 | Vasistha | Bushmills: I think that's how I got it. Followed the quick tutorial. Well, I guess I will see now how my internet experience is. |
| 00:02.06 | Vasistha | Thanks everyone |
| 00:02.50 | Bushmills | probably. as recursor is probably the simplest setup. i think, a three-line config |
| 00:04.28 | Bushmills | but mind you, it can work as "real" name server, not just as a caching dns proxy. |
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| 00:05.18 | Bushmills | seems to be rather resilient too |
| 00:05.40 | Bop | anyone knows how to active treble and bass under alsa ? |
| 00:06.36 | abrotman | you mean a mixer? |
| 00:07.36 | Bop | well , i change treble and bass settings and it does not make a difference |
| 00:07.58 | Bop | i've checked /proc/asound/cardx/oss_mixer |
| 00:08.04 | Bop | but cant write on that file |
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| 00:08.22 | Bop | i was trying to put 1 instead of 0 |
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| 00:11.19 | beardy | Bop: AFAIK that's up to the application to mix/filter. |
| 00:11.35 | iluminator101 | can someone point me to a generic autoposting python script |
| 00:11.41 | Bop | but i have it on alsamixer , why wont it work ? |
| 00:11.46 | abrotman | autoposting of what? |
| 00:11.53 | beardy | Bop: You do? |
| 00:11.54 | Bop | i use rhythmbox and it doesnt have |
| 00:11.57 | Bop | yes , i do |
| 00:12.07 | Bop | just wont do anything , up or down |
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| 00:12.34 | iluminator101 | autoposting in oddle or such |
| 00:12.40 | Bop | i was reading this article -> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Mapping_oss_mixer_controls_to_alsa_mixer |
| 00:12.46 | Bop | but i cant write to that file |
| 00:13.01 | abrotman | iluminator101: please give a better descirption |
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| 00:13.18 | abrotman | iluminator101: this channel is not here to help you spam people, go away |
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| 00:13.33 | Bop | or try python room |
| 00:13.39 | DeDabble | How do I make my SMTP server an open relay server |
| 00:13.49 | xyan | Bop: http://www.thedigitalmachine.net/alsaequal.html |
| 00:14.07 | DeDabble | pissing inside penises doesn't work out |
| 00:14.18 | DeDabble | fucking deggy |
| 00:14.28 | iluminator101 | abrotman, i dont spam i wouldnt eat it either |
| 00:14.38 | DeDabble | peggy's pimp store... featuring sex toys like a dildo and a condom to pretect against anal shit |
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| 00:15.01 | zinx | !ops DeDabble |
| 00:15.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: zinx complains about: DeDabble |
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| 00:15.23 | abrotman | iluminator101: There is no way that autoposting to a classifieds site isn't spam |
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| 00:17.08 | iluminator101 | abrotman, have you seem me do it, you are just assuming, this could be programming assignment |
| 00:17.10 | evilgenius101 | Having problem with tightvnc, was working fine until " 2.6.26-1-amd64 " and now all i see is blackishgrey screen. even tho /root/.vnc/xstartup has startkde in it |
| 00:17.19 | abrotman | iluminator101: then ask your professor, not #debian, have a nice day |
| 00:17.25 | iluminator101 | lol |
| 00:17.45 | jordanm | evilgenius101: you should not be logging into vnc and starting X as root |
| 00:17.50 | beardy | Bop: Maybe only halfsupported then, for your card.. only showing the controls, don't know. This card has no bass and treble controls. |
| 00:18.09 | jordanm | evilgenius101: and your kernel needs updating |
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| 00:18.42 | evilgenius101 | jordan, would this be ok ? linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 |
| 00:19.06 | Bop | beardy, what card u have ? |
| 00:19.07 | iluminator101 | well thank you, i appreciate all the times you helped with debian, any books on linux that you recommend |
| 00:19.37 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 00:19.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 00:20.05 | beardy | Bop: "HDA Intel" chipset: Realtek ALC662 rev1 |
| 00:20.24 | jordanm | evilgenius101: linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64; shoudl come down from "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade", if you have the metapackage |
| 00:20.33 | Bop | beardy, yeah , that card sucks :D |
| 00:20.43 | jordanm | evilgenius101: that bpo kernel is also a revision behind |
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| 00:20.58 | beardy | Bop: Well, atleast all controls work ;) |
| 00:21.06 | evilgenius101 | ok so , apt-get update says " linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 " |
| 00:21.12 | Bop | beardy, PCM and VOL works here |
| 00:21.31 | jordanm | !tell evilgenius101 about why aptitude |
| 00:22.05 | beardy | Bop: (Integrated soundcard, EeePC.) |
| 00:22.21 | Bop | ok |
| 00:22.23 | evilgenius101 | jordan, still the same ;) |
| 00:22.44 | jordanm | evilgenius101: did you try as non-root user? |
| 00:23.04 | linduxed | is there a command/way to type something like "cat some_text.txt | exporttoclipboard" so that i now could either middle click with my mouse or do ctrl+v ? |
| 00:23.08 | evilgenius101 | doing as root |
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| 00:23.19 | evilgenius101 | security right is least of my concerns. |
| 00:23.44 | jordanm | evilgenius101: try as a non-root user... and you can set the global config with update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 00:24.00 | abrotman | linduxed: did you try just highlighting the text? |
| 00:24.19 | beardy | linduxed: Would be nice indeed. |
| 00:24.24 | linduxed | abrotman: it's an entire document, so i think it's too much for that |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | linduxed: what is your DE/WM ? |
| 00:24.43 | linduxed | abrotman: awesome |
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| 00:25.17 | abrotman | linduxed: did you try 'apt-cache search clipboard' ? |
| 00:25.21 | stew | linduxed: xclip is one such program |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | xsel seems like a decent possibility |
| 00:25.39 | linduxed | abrotman: no i didn't, sorry about that |
| 00:25.49 | stew | yeah, xsel was the other one I couldn't remember |
| 00:27.09 | linduxed | ill try xsel and xclip |
| 00:27.17 | beardy | Nice. Would you also know if gpm selections can be printed to stdout too? |
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| 00:32.54 | KB1JWQ | What does the {a} next to a package name in "aptitude safe-upgrade" signify? |
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| 00:34.13 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: the aptitude man page says, i believe it is an 'auto' package, installed to complete a dep/recommend |
| 00:34.23 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: Ah, thanks. |
| 00:34.24 | beardy | KB1JWQ: Package being (has been) automatically installed to satisfy a dependancy. |
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| 00:40.02 | voipzapper | hey guys |
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| 00:40.06 | rue_shop3 | [0xb701a7a4] main encoder error: It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder: |
| 00:40.06 | rue_shop3 | MPEG-4 Video. |
| 00:40.06 | rue_shop3 | If you don't know how to fix this, ask for support from your distribution. |
| 00:40.14 | rue_shop3 | damn,... that was supposed to be 1 line |
| 00:40.19 | voipzapper | creating very minimal debian box |
| 00:40.26 | voipzapper | old hw |
| 00:40.35 | voipzapper | 1.5 g disk |
| 00:40.41 | rue_shop3 | voipzapper unselect 'standard system' at the task selector |
| 00:40.51 | rue_shop3 | then install deborphan and localepurge |
| 00:41.06 | voipzapper | did a netinst w v 505 netinst iso |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | you cna leave 'Standard' checked |
| 00:41.15 | voipzapper | loaded no extras |
| 00:41.23 | abrotman | you'll end up installing most of that stuff anyways |
| 00:41.38 | rue_shop3 | then run orpahner, it will get rid of 3 packages for you |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | rue_shop3: which version of libavcodec ? |
| 00:41.54 | voipzapper | so, now i have a base install with the cli and using 844m of the 1.5g |
| 00:41.55 | rue_shop3 | abrotman its a fresh squeeze system |
| 00:42.02 | abrotman | rue_shop3: which version of libavcodec ? |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | and chances are that libavcodec in squeeze doesn't have mpeg4 |
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| 00:42.49 | voipzapper | purpose of the box is almost exclusively for 3 things - pidgin, firefox, and an as yet determined internet radio |
| 00:43.02 | rue_shop3 | usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52 |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | though it says it supports it |
| 00:43.06 | rue_shop3 | dosn't ld tell ya librayr stuff? |
| 00:43.19 | voipzapper | so, use aptitude to load kde and then those three apps? |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | voipzapper: this might work better if you put all this on one line |
| 00:43.35 | voipzapper | k |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | voipzapper: you didn't even install X yet? |
| 00:43.41 | beardy | KDE and "minimal" rhymes badly. |
| 00:44.05 | beardy | If that's without X I will cry.. |
| 00:44.11 | jpinx-eeepc | shouldn't even be in the same sentence |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | no way .. it can't be |
| 00:45.25 | rue_shop3 | abrotman Version: 4:0.5.2-1 |
| 00:45.28 | voipzapper | abrotman: don't think so. didn't do so explicitly. am hoping to nuke a good deal of what was included in the base install if possible. box will really be used for only those three purposes ATM |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | voipzapper: then why the heck do you need KDE? |
| 00:46.04 | beardy | voipzapper: Your purposes is not minimal. |
| 00:46.09 | beardy | are |
| 00:46.24 | voipzapper | beardy: heh heh. well, am familiar with kde more than gnome |
| 00:46.25 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: that's not minimal |
| 00:46.42 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: there are other de |
| 00:47.00 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: try lxde or xfce? |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | voipzapper: why not use something like lxde |
| 00:47.03 | beardy | voipzapper: You click the same way. Try a lighter window manager. I suggest Window Maker. |
| 00:47.25 | jpinx-eeepc | try openbox on it's own ;) |
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| 00:48.45 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: and why pidgin? irssi with bitlbee will do all your messaging |
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| 00:49.03 | jpinx-eeepc | unless you're a webcam-jockey ;) |
| 00:49.08 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc, beardy, abrotman: well, those are all certainly possible. was completely unfamiliar with those names even till now. all of my debian experience before had at least a few gig |
| 00:49.58 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: pidgin doesn't support video, does it? |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | beardy: there is an unofficial pidgin-vv i think .. maybe it died |
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| 00:50.53 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: lots of reasons to use pidgin. largely due to familiarity, it's vast array opf plugins, and will be using all (really, all) of the different chat universes that pidgin talks to |
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| 00:51.17 | voipzapper | beardy: pidgin supports all that kind of stuff with plugins |
| 00:51.31 | Bushmills | pidgin-vv was with audio support, which has now been incorporated into pidgin. no forked version needed. standard pidgin also supports video now. |
| 00:51.54 | Bushmills | (though i haven't really managed yet to make that work ok) |
| 00:51.57 | beardy | voipzapper: Well, up to you. But there are tons of alternatives to make it lighter. |
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| 00:52.08 | beardy | But for which protocols, I meant? |
| 00:52.09 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: fairysnuff if you are a messenger freak ;) |
| 00:52.14 | voipzapper | in addition to those reasons, everyone who will be using this box is intimately familiar with the windows imp of pidgin |
| 00:53.04 | beardy | voipzapper: But the most impact a different window manager will have, so try a few, see what you like. |
| 00:53.12 | voipzapper | beardy: all of them. well, all the big ones |
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| 00:53.47 | voipzapper | beardy: could you please clarify that last statement? |
| 00:53.48 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: you might find that swiftfox is smaller than firefox/iceweasel |
| 00:54.13 | beardy | Maybe it needs enabling/configuring.. installed it yesterday and my camra wasn't seen, apparently, oh well. |
| 00:54.20 | voipzapper | also, re the de, the other major use of this box is firefox. all the de's can handle that? |
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| 00:54.34 | beardy | swiftfox is not in Debian though |
| 00:54.48 | Bushmills | firefox is desktop environment agnostic |
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| 00:55.00 | voipzapper | beardy: pretty sure that all audio/video is via plugins. the list of pi's is vast |
| 00:55.01 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: you only need x to run a browser |
| 00:55.43 | jpinx-eeepc | not sure if you couldn't run ffx/iw without a de even... |
| 00:55.45 | Bushmills | links2 -G doesn't need X for graphical browser |
| 00:55.45 | beardy | voipzapper: I mean, there are many lighter ways to browse the web, if you can do without graphics. Just saying that there are many packages in Debian. |
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| 00:55.47 | voipzapper | Bushmills: that is good to know. would pidgin be as well? |
| 00:56.03 | Bushmills | voipzapper: yes, that too. actually, about everything is |
| 00:56.17 | beardy | Everything is. |
| 00:56.33 | Bushmills | not quite. DE specific toolbar applets aren't :) |
| 00:56.42 | beardy | Ok. |
| 00:56.59 | voipzapper | beardy: pidgin and firefox are the whole purpose of the box. and kde is pretty essential unless the other de's can do most of the same stuff |
| 00:57.05 | jpinx-eeepc | DE's are eye-candy :) |
| 00:57.06 | voipzapper | how big is kde? |
| 00:57.32 | Bushmills | though you can usually even use a different window manager, instead of the one coming default with a specific desktop environment |
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| 00:57.43 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: I saw someone commenting that KDE took 1gb on it's own :( |
| 00:57.48 | Bushmills | say, the kde window manager with gnome desktop environment. or vice versa |
| 00:57.53 | xales | kde is fairly large. probably at least 1gb |
| 00:58.17 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: lxde and xfce will do everything that the browser and pidgin need |
| 00:58.24 | beardy | Depends which.. I recall startng Gnome's toolbar crap in twm.. |
| 00:58.51 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: would you rcommend one over the other and how big? |
| 00:58.53 | Bushmills | yes. many have "adapter" plugins for foreign plugins |
| 00:58.55 | beardy | voipzapper: What do you mean "do everything kde can"? |
| 00:59.27 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: I use lxde and no issues |
| 00:59.32 | Bushmills | what is left of kde, if you take away the programs you run under it? |
| 00:59.59 | jpinx-eeepc | ^have^ |
| 00:59.59 | beardy | voipzapper: All window managers manages windows and reads mouseclicks, that is all you need. |
| 01:00.09 | voipzapper | seems like i might have to smoke a bunch of the base install to make everything fit comfortably in my target of 1.5g |
| 01:00.22 | Bushmills | no. tiling window managers don't have windows :) |
| 01:00.28 | andrewsw | Anyone up on git? I can't get my post-receive hook to run on a bare repo pushing through http |
| 01:00.46 | beardy | They do. |
| 01:00.50 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: you have no chance of squuezing KDE on top of an OS and staying below 1.5 Gbs |
| 01:00.56 | beardy | Tiled windows. |
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| 01:01.46 | Bushmills | i suppose many wouldn't call them windows, because you can't do with those tiles what those people are used to expect from windows |
| 01:01.48 | voipzapper | beardy: well, having never heard of these other gui/de's before and hearing them being spoken of in this context, i guess i wouldn't know what is a function of the smaller ones v kde |
| 01:02.05 | Bushmills | such as resizing them by pulling on a corner or edge |
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| 01:02.16 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: redo your install, install base and x and lxde, ffx and pidgin - I reckon you might squeak in under 1GB |
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| 01:02.51 | abrotman | why does he have to redo it? |
| 01:03.03 | Bushmills | though pidigin should like gnome better, because of its use of gtk libs |
| 01:03.12 | abrotman | openbox is gtk-ish |
| 01:03.23 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: he doesn't, but it might be easier for him - given expertise level |
| 01:03.25 | Bushmills | (i.e. same set of libs for both instant messenger and desktop) |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | he said he's still at the CLI? |
| 01:03.33 | beardy | voipzapper: KDE and many other bigger de:s/wm:s does what any other wm does, just presenting it with unecessary effects, sounds, and graphics. |
| 01:03.34 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: not use apt to add those? |
| 01:03.45 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: do you have x yet? |
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| 01:04.39 | beardy | voipzapper: You can run "KDE apps" or "GNOME apps" on any windo manager, you just need the libraries. |
| 01:04.43 | voipzapper | Bushmills, abrotman: yes, i was also going to ask about the gtks |
| 01:05.35 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: aptitude install lxde, the browser and pidgin, possible without recommends to avoid bloat but check functionality |
| 01:05.48 | beardy | lxde is full of cruft.. |
| 01:05.49 | Bushmills | well, kde makes use of another set of graphics libraries than gnome |
| 01:06.06 | Bushmills | and some apps use the one, others the other set |
| 01:06.06 | abrotman | voipzapper: are you sitting at the CLI? aptitude install xorg lxde pidgin iceweasel .. see what you have less |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | left |
| 01:06.24 | voipzapper | abrotman: yes, at cli ATM. and quite comfortable there. no need to redo install |
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| 01:06.38 | kmonk | weechat? |
| 01:06.47 | Bushmills | so by chosing your stuff to use the same libs, you can avoid to install both, or load both into RAM when running those apps |
| 01:06.58 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: it's still better that massive KDE, but he could use openbox and no de |
| 01:07.17 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: apt ldxe, firefox, and pidgin would add about how much spacewise do you think? |
| 01:07.21 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Or another of the 30 or so. |
| 01:07.51 | beardy | voipzapper: Run aptitude interactively and you'll see right away. |
| 01:08.06 | voipzapper | beardy: oh, right. duh. |
| 01:08.13 | Bushmills | but turn off "automatically install suggested packages" |
| 01:08.29 | kmonk | fluxbox with menu button crowbared in, pcmanfm/rox-filer and apwal... nice lightweight combo. |
| 01:08.43 | stew | voipzapper: "aptitude -s install lxde iceweasel pidgin" would tell you, -s for "simulate, don't actually do anything" |
| 01:08.44 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: this openbox intrigues me |
| 01:09.00 | beardy | Ah yes.. he's full of recommends, that's why the HUMONGUS size. |
| 01:09.08 | Bushmills | icewm is also nicely compact. but "just" a windows manager, like fluxbox, not a "desktop environment" like xfce4, gnome or kde |
| 01:09.34 | Bushmills | but fluxbox can do tabbed windows |
| 01:09.39 | beardy | wmaker! |
| 01:09.40 | kmonk | pekwm is the only thing that "just manages windows" in debian that i'm aware of :) |
| 01:10.17 | beardy | !start a wm war |
| 01:10.17 | dpkg | olwm blows goats! |
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| 01:10.48 | voipzapper | also, it would really help if i could nuke a whole bunch of the base install. none of the users will be using anything other than these three apps |
| 01:11.25 | kmonk | there's this program called "slay". |
| 01:11.28 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders how minimalistic you could go to run a ffx/iw from the commandline |
| 01:11.37 | Bushmills | dvtm doesn't even need X or graphics |
| 01:11.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Bushmills: but will it run ffx? |
| 01:11.55 | voipzapper | Bushmills: when you say tabbed windows, is that inside or outside of the app? if that question even seems to make sense. firefox has tabbed windows, for example |
| 01:12.07 | jordanm | jpinx-eeepc: iceweasel? |
| 01:12.24 | Bushmills | jpinx-eeepc: nope. but links2 |
| 01:12.27 | kmonk | now if you go "slay user" it slays user junk... if you go "slay root" it slays preeetty much anything... then you know what a minimalist linux system is like, unless of course all you have is busybox >_< |
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| 01:12.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Bushmills: ok - then what's the minimum x requirement to run ffx/iw ? |
| 01:13.00 | kmonk | however i could destroy everything i wouldnt recommend it |
| 01:13.02 | Bushmills | voipzapper: that means, putting several apps into one window, and allowing you to switch between them |
| 01:13.18 | Bushmills | actually, combining several windows into one |
| 01:13.31 | voipzapper | kmonk: "slay" - that will help reduce "unwanted" stuff from the install? |
| 01:13.32 | jpinx-eeepc | kmonk: that sounds way too dangerous ;) |
| 01:13.49 | kmonk | nooo it just kills everything with a certain userid |
| 01:13.50 | beardy | voipzapper: No. |
| 01:13.52 | Bushmills | jpinx-eeepc: DSL comes with firefox. around 60 MiB for the whole installation |
| 01:13.57 | jordanm | ,file bin/slay |
| 01:14.00 | judd | bin/slay in lenny/i386: slay: usr/sbin/slay |
| 01:14.03 | voipzapper | well, "from the install" sounded stupid as i typed it... :-P |
| 01:14.12 | kmonk | reboot, back to normal, unless of course something important was happening at the time.. heheh |
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| 01:14.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Bushmills: cool - I'll try a vm with that ;) |
| 01:14.50 | kmonk | great for cleaning up left over processei when logging out though. |
| 01:15.31 | voipzapper | Bushmills: ok, figured that firefox's tabbing was internal to it as an app. ok, well, from that then, tabbed windows wouldn't be needed |
| 01:15.47 | Bushmills | jpinx-eeepc: minimal is probably, running firefox without window manager. just directly in X. full-screen, preferably |
| 01:15.59 | kmonk | but for you voipzapper.... i would suggest jwm, midori and midori. |
| 01:16.00 | voipzapper | kmonk: re slay, ok. that makes more sense |
| 01:16.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Bushmills: that sounds right |
| 01:16.47 | Bushmills | voipzapper: well, if you want to put firefox and pidgin and internet radio player into one single window, with tabs to select between them, you want a tabbed window manager |
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| 01:17.49 | firedragon | hi i was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to assist please |
| 01:18.02 | Bushmills | i currently know of 4 tabbed window managers. ion2 (tiled), jwm (i think), fluxbox and compiz |
| 01:18.10 | xales | firedragon: just ask your question and anyone who can help, will help |
| 01:18.10 | jordanm | !ask |
| 01:18.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:18.12 | Bushmills | ion3 should be able to, and wm3 too |
| 01:18.34 | kmonk | adding "startx" to the end of .bash_profile removes the need for a login manager... |
| 01:18.41 | firedragon | i have a debian lenny server thats keyboard keeps entering characters like this ^[r instead of just r |
| 01:18.55 | jordanm | kmonk: unless you plan to ssh into that box.. |
| 01:18.55 | Bushmills | of some i could have simply missed that capability |
| 01:18.59 | voipzapper | Bushmills: well, "in a single window" is pretty unimportant. the only thing is to have those three apps running at the same time. they do not need to occupy any sort of space, screen or otherwise, with each oother |
| 01:19.02 | firedragon | from ssh they keys are fine |
| 01:19.04 | kmonk | point. |
| 01:19.38 | Bushmills | compiz animates that flipping, by visually rotating the windows when switching |
| 01:19.42 | xales | firedragon: the kernel keymap is probably bad |
| 01:19.52 | dvs | so where's the cake? |
| 01:19.55 | Bushmills | so they look like having a front and a back side |
| 01:19.56 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:20.38 | firedragon | xales: I dont undersstand much about these things but i tired dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 01:20.51 | kmonk | ? i dunno where is it |
| 01:20.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Bushmills: as an afterthought - I suppose if you install base and x, and then do aptitude install iceweasel, it'll tell ou what it needs? |
| 01:20.59 | voipzapper | Bushmills: i guess i may have overstated the need for a wm/gui at all. just need to have all three aps running. switching between in fullscreen is fine |
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| 01:21.18 | voipzapper | except, with pidgin, that might end up looking a little odd |
| 01:21.28 | Bushmills | voipzapper: then maybe a tiling window manager could appeal to you |
| 01:21.36 | firedragon | xales: it seems to not happen directly after i attach the keyboard but as soon as I press enter it happens with every character |
| 01:21.42 | xales | firedragon: make sure to install the proper keymaps for your keyboard. is it a standard QWERTY board? |
| 01:21.51 | kmonk | awesome was an acceptable filing window manager |
| 01:21.52 | firedragon | xales: yes it is |
| 01:21.59 | kmonk | well, it still is! |
| 01:22.10 | kmonk | tiling* |
| 01:22.59 | xales | firedragon: it could be a bad keyboard |
| 01:23.46 | firedragon | xales: yes thats what i first though but i tried two! |
| 01:24.25 | xales | firedragon: if its a stock install of Lenny, then its a hardware problem. otherwise, look at tty configs and make sure they are default and wouldnt be interfering. |
| 01:24.29 | voipzapper | anyone: how much space can i probably easily nuke out of the base install and still have a pretty normal system? 10%? 25%? 50%? |
| 01:24.53 | xales | voipzapper: install with debootstrap and youll get a very bare-bones system |
| 01:25.02 | jordanm | voipzapper: if you select no tasks, 5% or so |
| 01:25.44 | beardy | voipzapper: Do not let aptitude install Recommends, it will take a lot off. |
| 01:25.44 | voipzapper | firedragon: you did turn the machine off between swapping kbd's, right? if not, then swapping kbds isn't a valid test. (if they are ps/2 or at kbds) |
| 01:26.29 | voipzapper | beardy: right. got that for sure. had that kinda bloating happen before |
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| 01:27.11 | voipzapper | beardy: i suppose apt will probably give me real good info on minimalizing |
| 01:27.31 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: use aptitude4 - not apt |
| 01:27.32 | firedragon | xales: hmmm I just tried a reboot an it seems to have fixed it. :-o sorry i should have tried that first |
| 01:27.36 | MarkRich | Hello everyone, I'm installing the tracker search tool 0.8.15 for gnome un ubuntu 10.4. I've used synaptic to install it & it lauches but there are no menu options to configure it. The only thing listed are files, folders, etc on the left hand side. But there are no menu items. I've removed & reinstalled it multiple times. I've also installed it along with the tracker-utils packages & it still does the same thing. Then I |
| 01:27.36 | MarkRich | removed it & used apt, which gives the same results. Any idea what this might be? thanks, Mark |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | MarkRich: you want to ask #ubuntu about ubuntu |
| 01:28.01 | beardy | MarkRich: #ubuntu |
| 01:28.07 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: aptitude - minus 4 ;) |
| 01:28.41 | voipzapper | so, one more time. is there now any concensus on with wm/de/gui (think i mean wm) that would be best to use here? "i can haz concensus?") |
| 01:28.49 | Bushmills | MarkRich: do you buy your bread at the pharmacy? |
| 01:28.59 | abrotman | Bushmills: please don't |
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| 01:29.32 | Bushmills | just curious |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | it's not going to help |
| 01:29.59 | beardy | voipzapper: I think you have to scroll back and collect all wm suggestions and see what you like best. |
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| 01:30.34 | voipzapper | and i haven't even asked anyone about an internet radio app. have basically no linux experience with same. |
| 01:30.50 | kmonk | streamtuner :) |
| 01:30.50 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: google :) |
| 01:31.01 | moldovean | tunapie |
| 01:31.01 | beardy | voipzapper: Internet radio, you mean *cast streams? |
| 01:31.04 | voipzapper | beardy: *sad* was hoping for the hasing of an concensus |
| 01:31.48 | Bushmills | voipzapper: the consensus is probably that it is good to have choice |
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| 01:31.58 | voipzapper | beardy: well, hmm. not actually sure about that. yeah, i guess so. |
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| 01:32.10 | voipzapper | Bushmills: heh heh. |
| 01:32.23 | beardy | voipzapper: Well, wmaker, openbox, icewm, and so on.. try some, you just purge them when done. |
| 01:32.52 | beardy | voipzapper: Only audio, no videostreams? |
| 01:32.57 | jpinx-eeepc | try without any ;) |
| 01:32.59 | Bushmills | for more conventional not-quite minimalism but considerable compatism, i'd suggest xfce4 |
| 01:33.03 | voipzapper | beardy: yeah. test drives are free. this is true |
| 01:33.05 | Bushmills | compactism |
| 01:33.40 | kmonk | voipzapper: fluxbox with taskbar menu http://wiki.debian.org/FluxboxMenu, apwal (hotkey popup icon launcher thingy), grun, pcmanfm, leafpad, claws-mail, midori/iceweasel, geany |
| 01:33.58 | jpinx-eeepc | leafpad sux |
| 01:34.13 | kmonk | alternaive? |
| 01:34.20 | voipzapper | hmm. now that i think about it. i'll bet videolan would probably do just about all the listening/viewing we'd need |
| 01:34.21 | beardy | voipzapper: I'd use vlc for audio and video. |
| 01:34.36 | jpinx-eeepc | vlc will be lighter |
| 01:34.44 | voipzapper | can videolan handle streams? - awesome that vlc is |
| 01:34.46 | beardy | voipzapper: It will. The concern is the size. |
| 01:34.55 | beardy | videolan is vlc.. |
| 01:34.59 | kmonk | smplayer--- maybe it does use qt3 junk |
| 01:35.08 | Bushmills | though xfce4 is more gnomish than kdeish |
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| 01:35.13 | jpinx-eeepc | you might want to backport the latest vlc |
| 01:35.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Bushmills: xfce is quite a lot bigger than lxde |
| 01:35.39 | pipeline | it doesn't really matter |
| 01:35.45 | pipeline | all desktop environments are huge because the applications are huge |
| 01:35.58 | jpinx-eeepc | but xfce has more "features" ;) |
| 01:36.00 | kmonk | then i dunno... med-* science-* education-* :D :D wait you said minimalist not all encompassing didnt you. |
| 01:36.04 | jordanm | the xfce goodies are all pretty lightwieght |
| 01:36.14 | Bushmills | lxde gives me the impression of the components not quite fitting together. xfce4 seems more harmonic |
| 01:36.35 | jpinx-eeepc | coice is good - aptitude purge rools ;) |
| 01:36.36 | pipeline | yes thunar or the wmaker manager is smaller than konqueror/nautilus, but your desktop applications are HUUUUGE. Mozilla/firefox, openoffice.org, thunderbird, evolution are all gigantic. It doesn't really matter what window dressing you use if your main app consumes a gig of RAM for breakfast. |
| 01:36.48 | pipeline | the window manager and utility apps are a small piece of the overall footprint |
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| 01:36.54 | pipeline | so just use whatever is comfortable and be happy |
| 01:37.07 | voipzapper | everyone: uh, i'm a little confused. vlc = videolan client and since they "merged" "everything", those are synonymous terms (at least the way i was using it). vlc can handle streams, right? |
| 01:37.17 | Bushmills | yes |
| 01:37.22 | Bushmills | both ways, actually |
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| 01:37.30 | jpinx-eeepc | vld streams well |
| 01:37.36 | jpinx-eeepc | *vlc |
| 01:37.37 | beardy | pipThe point was that he wont use OO.o, evolution and so on. |
| 01:37.55 | beardy | voipzapper: "vlc" is everything, yes. |
| 01:38.01 | jpinx-eeepc | pipeline: you missed the initial requirement |
| 01:38.16 | Bushmills | yes. "fits on one floppy" |
| 01:38.27 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
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| 01:38.49 | beardy | voipzapper: client, streaming server, handles "all" formats. |
| 01:39.01 | moldovean | on a 1.5 GB floppy |
| 01:39.31 | Bushmills | a floppy of the size of a large pizza |
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| 01:39.55 | jpinx-eeepc | the cheese would gum up the heads |
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| 01:40.16 | voipzapper | beardy, and others: then, well, that answers that right there. - the "internet radio" was a request and now that i think of it, the requestor was really talking about everything that videolan already does. |
| 01:40.20 | Bushmills | bellpepperseedstorage |
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| 01:40.37 | beardy | I think it'd be quite a lot larger than that.. |
| 01:40.42 | voipzapper | i forget though.... how does pandora deliver itself? |
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| 01:40.47 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: vlc will probably do everything you like |
| 01:41.13 | jordanm | voipzapper: flash |
| 01:41.18 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: but - as I said - you might want to backport the latest vlc |
| 01:41.39 | moldovean | jpinx-eeepc, why ? |
| 01:41.40 | voipzapper | heh heh. yeah, that is pretty much what it feels like. a 1.5g floppy. |
| 01:41.55 | Bushmills | i'll try that next time i order a pizza .. "there's a bell pepper seed - in order to maintain capacity, the pizza must consequently be twice as large" |
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| 01:42.02 | Bushmills | "..as it is" |
| 01:42.10 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: i read that above and is partly my confusion. "backport"? |
| 01:42.13 | jpinx-eeepc | moldovean: my lenny vlc chokes on a few things |
| 01:42.14 | beardy | voipzapper: For complete (well, as complete as yyou want) coverage of "Internet radio", you'd want vlc, java, and flash. |
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| 01:42.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Ewww - adding the Mbs here |
| 01:42.34 | moldovean | jpinx-eeepc, heh, ok |
| 01:43.07 | beardy | voipzapper: Don't worry about it.. if something doesn't work, worry about backporting then. |
| 01:43.12 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: lots of things play in the browser |
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| 01:43.44 | moldovean | and do 100% CPU .. |
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| 01:43.57 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: indeed. trying to avoid the yucky words adobe and java (know that is going to be parts of firefox, but doesn't ff handle java himself?) |
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| 01:44.19 | voipzapper | beardy: that's what i fugured re vlc |
| 01:44.22 | Bushmills | nope |
| 01:44.24 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: are you going to use ffx or iceweasel? |
| 01:44.32 | beardy | Firefox is a yucky word too. |
| 01:44.39 | moldovean | voipzapper, what's your CPU btw ? |
| 01:44.44 | moldovean | and RAM |
| 01:45.07 | voipzapper | beardy: well, ff is actually the minimum requirement for this boxes users. |
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| 01:45.28 | beardy | voipzapper: Yes, but the name is iceweasel. |
| 01:45.30 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: ffx is not debian ;) |
| 01:45.31 | moldovean | 1.5g hard is ~ '95 PCs |
| 01:45.33 | voipzapper | moldovean: a surprisingly zippy 400mhz celeron |
| 01:45.55 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: uh... me above: ff = "firefox" |
| 01:46.05 | moldovean | i'll put a pentium in |
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| 01:46.30 | voipzapper | moldovean: working with what is laying around and handy |
| 01:46.30 | pipeline | if you need firefox, you need 1G RAM. |
| 01:46.32 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: ok - ff is not debian :) |
| 01:46.42 | pipeline | You can do fine with 180 MHz P6, but the RAM is non-negotiable |
| 01:46.46 | pipeline | RAM is much more important than anything else |
| 01:46.48 | Bushmills | later firefoxes up to 3.5x or 3.6, have been getting rather slowish. |
| 01:46.54 | pipeline | Bushmills: they were always slow |
| 01:46.59 | pipeline | Bushmills: phoenix 0.9 was slow and hungry |
| 01:47.06 | pipeline | Bushmills: mozilla 1.0 was slow and hungry |
| 01:47.07 | Bushmills | 4.0 is actuallly improving on speed again |
| 01:47.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Bushmills: that's why I use swiftfox |
| 01:47.10 | voipzapper | everyone: really, the only REQUIREMENT of this box |
| 01:47.18 | pipeline | jpinx-eeepc: still gecko, still hungry |
| 01:47.30 | jpinx-eeepc | nom nom |
| 01:47.34 | Bushmills | pipeline: the speed (or lack of) degraded with increasing versions |
| 01:47.49 | voipzapper | moldovean: oh, and ram, atm seeing how 256m works |
| 01:47.54 | kmonk | voipzapper: if you want an effecient webbrowser, install chimera2 :D |
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| 01:48.03 | Bushmills | 2.x was still tolerable on my netbook. 3.x isn't anymore |
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| 01:48.35 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: that RAM is going to fry if you start using flash |
| 01:48.36 | beardy | moldovean: You might want to try different browsers too. Some are not in Debian though.. |
| 01:48.53 | kmonk | it takes up 300kb of disk space, unpacked... can't do alot but it does what it must. |
| 01:49.14 | voipzapper | beardy: i'm sorry... my statements above crashed into each other and yours. when i said "ff" i was meaning firefox. what is this about ff/iceweasel? |
| 01:49.16 | beardy | The RAM will be fine, but the disk, when swappingm will fry. |
| 01:49.28 | Bushmills | 4.x beta is a relief compared to 3.x |
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| 01:49.37 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: want to avoid flash if possible |
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| 01:49.58 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: you'll need flash for some of your "inernet radio" |
| 01:50.07 | beardy | voipzapper: Iceweasel is the same as firefox, just a different name, due to Mozilla's licensing sillyness. |
| 01:50.11 | lex | Hey guys.... im analyzing some sysstat data, and upon reaching my IO stats per device, it struck me: sar names them dev254-1 , 2 ...etc. And I can look at my CURRENT device numbers and try and figure out which one is which. My question is: do the device node numbers change between reboots regarding logical volumes? |
| 01:50.17 | Bushmills | !ff |
| 01:50.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ff is hexadecimal for 255 |
| 01:50.24 | Bushmills | !firefox |
| 01:50.24 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 01:50.33 | voipzapper | "pipeline>if you need firefox, you need 1G RAM." - well, it doesn't matter how slow |
| 01:51.08 | voipzapper | Bushmills: oh, i see about weasel. and i knew that. brainfart |
| 01:51.14 | moldovean | beardy, heh , near here i see a cluster PII+PIII @450 x10 200-250 m RAM |
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| 01:51.57 | beardy | moldovean: I have two rotten ones waiting to be thrown out of my basement storage.. |
| 01:52.12 | moldovean | heh |
| 01:53.20 | kmonk | presently i am running firefox with some simple junk open it's only taking up 295mb of DDR2 ram. |
| 01:53.35 | voipzapper | ok, all you wonderful folk. i have reached saturation for other non computer reasons and must retire. much to digest, but simple decisions and some testing to do. will report back soon. thanks to all for the wealth of info. be back another day |
| 01:53.41 | voipzapper | *waves* |
| 01:54.06 | kmonk | chimera2 is using 1.4 mb of ram, they are essentially doing the same thing... geez aye |
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| 01:54.17 | beardy | voipzapper: Good luck, take care. |
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| 01:55.33 | pix| | hi, how can I use a ipv6 address from my subnet on a remote host with only ipv4 connectivity. So there is a ipv6 router on network A and there is a host connected to network b and the internet. How can the host get an ipv6 address from the router? |
| 01:56.34 | beardy | pix|: Through a tunnel. |
| 01:57.14 | beardy | Provided "ipv6 router" has Internet connectivity.. |
| 01:57.29 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
| 01:57.41 | SineDeviance | question for you. i love debian and want to help. what can i do? |
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| 01:58.24 | kmonk | :D |
| 01:58.42 | pix| | beardy: So you mean the ipv6 router which itself gets his ipv6 address via a tunnel has to create a tunnel with the host to let it use an address from the subnet? |
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| 01:59.11 | moldovean | !debian help |
| 01:59.11 | dpkg | Wel,, you've come to the right place, #debian :-) |
| 01:59.30 | SineDeviance | lol |
| 01:59.40 | beardy | SineDeviance: Browse debian.org, left side "Help Debian" link. |
| 01:59.42 | moldovean | translate ? |
| 01:59.48 | SineDeviance | beardy: ok |
| 01:59.50 | SineDeviance | thanks |
| 02:00.27 | beardy | pix|: Correct. |
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| 02:02.03 | beardy | SineDeviance: You can also answer a couple of questions here, or add to the wiki. But the help page probably mentions it. |
| 02:02.25 | stew | qa.debian.org has ways of helping as well |
| 02:02.37 | SineDeviance | beardy: well that might be best. i guess i'm best at using linux, as opposed to programming or UI design :D |
| 02:02.45 | pix| | beardy: thanks, somehow that didn't cross my mind. |
| 02:02.45 | stew | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=both is, of course, a good place to find things that need to be done |
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| 02:05.55 | fdfr | hi, why is it not possible to edit the desktop right click menu in gnome? Like i never use the "Clean up by name" entry and i want it out, can it be done? |
| 02:06.09 | fdfr | i ahve gnome 2.28.2 |
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| 02:07.22 | moldovean | fdfr, on debian ? |
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| 02:07.29 | moldovean | fdfr> |
| 02:07.34 | fdfr | why no |
| 02:07.38 | fdfr | *not |
| 02:07.41 | moldovean | oops |
| 02:07.51 | moldovean | , versions gnome |
| 02:07.52 | judd | gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.30+1; squeeze: 1:2.30+1 |
| 02:07.53 | fdfr | it comes with gnome by default so |
| 02:08.12 | beardy | No. |
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| 02:08.18 | jhutchins_lt | Gnome knows what's best for you. Do not attempt to adjust your Gnome. |
| 02:08.24 | fdfr | hahaha |
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| 02:08.34 | fdfr | that's ridiculous |
| 02:08.47 | moldovean | that's Gnome |
| 02:09.06 | fdfr | i bet theres no explanation for that |
| 02:09.35 | fdfr | i mean come on, if i grep the whole disk will any of the strings found in the desktop right click menu come out? |
| 02:09.53 | beardy | For the version you're running, probably not. |
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| 02:10.14 | fdfr | but isn't it open source? |
| 02:10.50 | beardy | Ask the channel of your distribution. |
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| 02:10.58 | jhutchins_lt | fdfr: You might be interested in a destop environment meant to be more configurable. |
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| 02:11.44 | nsadmin | I would have thought gnome would be as configurable as anything else |
| 02:11.55 | beardy | But you probably have to edit some silly database, with some silly thing called gconf editor or simillar. |
| 02:12.09 | fdfr | nothing in gconf |
| 02:12.43 | fdfr | the closest thing to it is something called nautilus-actions, available in the repos, and that lets you add stuff to your desktop menu |
| 02:13.16 | nsadmin | fdfr: what's your uname -r? |
| 02:13.17 | fdfr | like fedora doesn't have by default the open in terminal in the desktop menu, and you can use that to add it |
| 02:13.31 | fdfr | 2.6.32-3-686 |
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| 02:13.43 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 02:13.47 | nsadmin | ,kernels |
| 02:13.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 02:14.07 | fdfr | what does it have to do with kernels |
| 02:14.11 | nsadmin | looks like you have an older system? |
| 02:14.13 | beardy | fdfr: Is it #fedora you should be asking? |
| 02:14.20 | dvs | I thought trunk kernels were not suppose to be. |
| 02:14.53 | dvs | fdfr, looks like an old squeeze kernel |
| 02:14.57 | fdfr | beardy, i was comparing stuff so what i mean is clearer, im not using fedora or asking fedora related questions |
| 02:15.21 | fdfr | older, newer what ever |
| 02:15.27 | nsadmin | it's pretty apparant that the gnome you have and the kernel you have are not presently available in debian, so it stands to reason that either you're running a non-debian or an unstable/testing that hasn't been upgraded in awhile |
| 02:15.50 | fdfr | yes, testing |
| 02:15.59 | fdfr | last dist-upgrade 5 months ago |
| 02:16.16 | nsadmin | figured it had to be one of those |
| 02:16.17 | fdfr | but anyway the gnome version is newer that in stable |
| 02:16.54 | nsadmin | what's relevent is what version comes from testing (for your case) |
| 02:17.08 | fdfr | the only thing that i can figure out of this is that gnome has a strict policy of what you should have by default in the right click menu and no less |
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| 02:17.19 | nsadmin | so you're not meaning the debian menu? |
| 02:17.27 | fdfr | nope |
| 02:17.31 | fdfr | that's easy |
| 02:17.41 | nsadmin | (which would be built from stuff in menu package) |
| 02:18.04 | beardy | #gnome might know. But they have their own network IIRC. |
| 02:18.25 | fdfr | not even google knows |
| 02:18.32 | nsadmin | so the only thing I can think of is what beardy just said, to offer you the additional resource of #gnome |
| 02:18.41 | fdfr | the closest thing to it is adding, but no remove or modify |
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| 02:18.58 | stew | and yeah, they have their own network on irc.gnome.org |
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| 02:19.19 | nsadmin | if you can add, you could probably find the code that does the add, and can look it over to do delete/modify |
| 02:19.26 | nsadmin | at least |
| 02:19.31 | fdfr | it's not that important after all, i thougt it was pretty common |
| 02:20.28 | fdfr | i wonder why the guys or gals that wrote nautilus-actions didn't, maybe because it can't be done |
| 02:20.39 | nsadmin | agreed on importance, but at the same time it should be doable, and I have at least a little curiousity as to why it was left out even as I run kde right now and not gnome |
| 02:21.05 | fdfr | it just bothers me |
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| 02:21.11 | nsadmin | same here |
| 02:21.30 | fdfr | like you can customize even the kernel, and pretty much anything else in linux |
| 02:21.38 | fdfr | but nooo, not the right click menu in gnome |
| 02:21.47 | fdfr | :) |
| 02:21.57 | nsadmin | I would have the judgement that gnome was absolutely not complete without full edit capabilities |
| 02:22.38 | beardy | It's been made harder to make it do things by eedjits. |
| 02:23.07 | nsadmin | well, right click may or may not be "standard", the point is there should be some way to do it, whether it's right clicking or text-editing some file |
| 02:23.23 | beardy | Kids with stupid ideas. Not that I run it. |
| 02:23.57 | fdfr | beardy, what are you saying is stupid |
| 02:24.20 | beardy | fdfr: The way gnome handles configuration. |
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| 02:25.29 | nsadmin | I would think that if an sql-like database is involved in configuration, at least something akin to psql, sqlplus or mysql (client) would be available to do low-level changes |
| 02:25.32 | fdfr | i'm sure it can be done, but it's out of reach for many, like dl the source code and find those entries, then recompile gnome and install it at least for me is out of reach |
| 02:25.50 | fdfr | yeah |
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| 02:26.07 | acu | how do you see how many bugs are still in squeeze ? |
| 02:26.07 | fdfr | it's on purpose |
| 02:26.07 | nsadmin | I would advance that you've not reached yet :) |
| 02:26.21 | stew | acu: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 02:26.23 | beardy | Obfuscated, stupid and silly. |
| 02:26.31 | stew | acu: assuming you mean release critical bugs |
| 02:26.58 | acu | some of the virtual machines in qemu-kvm (I use virtual manager) are freezing - I cannot upgrade them - |
| 02:27.01 | fdfr | so why is it the default desktop environment in debian? |
| 02:27.02 | fdfr | then |
| 02:27.03 | acu | stew: yes |
| 02:27.23 | beardy | fdfr: Tasks are silly too, and it isn't. |
| 02:27.24 | stew | fdfr: none, or any, or gnome depending on how you define "default" |
| 02:27.32 | stew | fdfr: oh, "why"? |
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| 02:27.58 | stew | fdfr: becuase when the default was decided like 10 years ago, gnome had more of a tendency to be installable in testing |
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| 02:28.15 | acu | at how many bugs the release will happpen ? |
| 02:28.27 | stew | fdfr: at least that's the explanation from the guy that wrote debian-installer about how he decided |
| 02:28.31 | stew | acu: typically 0 |
| 02:28.51 | beardy | stew: But it isn't any more defaut than anything. The desktop task pulls both GNOME and KDE, if not xfce too now.. |
| 02:28.54 | acu | man - that too much (or too low) :) |
| 02:29.32 | fdfr | beardy, how long is it you don't install debian? |
| 02:29.35 | DanDare | default debian wm is xfce4 |
| 02:29.39 | DanDare | at least for me |
| 02:29.52 | DanDare | *"default" |
| 02:29.53 | beardy | (Now lets argue "default" installer and installation method shall we) |
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| 02:30.09 | fdfr | good idea :) |
| 02:30.10 | beardy | Yes, atleast for you, some default mister. |
| 02:30.30 | Bushmills | how can something which is optional be any default? |
| 02:30.38 | stew | if you ask for a "desktop" install you get gnome. unless you use a kde or xfce installer... |
| 02:30.47 | fdfr | nevermind, the point is i need to go to harvard to be able to edit the desktop right click menu in gnome |
| 02:30.50 | DanDare | sometimes you choose what is the default |
| 02:30.58 | DanDare | that the good about linux in general |
| 02:30.59 | fdfr | stew, that's right |
| 02:31.06 | Bushmills | default is therefore "no desktop environment" |
| 02:31.11 | DanDare | :p |
| 02:31.20 | fdfr | come on |
| 02:31.32 | beardy | Yes, what? |
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| 02:31.52 | abrotman | there are arguments to the netinst you can use to get kde/xfce instead of gnome |
| 02:32.05 | beardy | Or none. |
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| 02:32.25 | rudi_s | Default is no X ;-) |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | well, i meant to change the Desktop task |
| 02:32.42 | Bushmills | those must be good arguments, if they'd make one chose kde over gnome :) |
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| 02:33.23 | beardy | fdfr: And last time I installed wa in May IIRC. |
| 02:34.00 | DanDare | ok, theres one thing thats default other is the default default |
| 02:34.39 | fdfr | i meant default when you check the desktop environment option in the installer |
| 02:34.52 | fdfr | default default is not checked |
| 02:34.52 | beardy | Which installer? |
| 02:35.03 | fdfr | the testing installer |
| 02:35.13 | fdfr | i quit |
| 02:35.14 | fdfr | :) |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | there are arguments you can pass to install others |
| 02:35.23 | beardy | Which testing installer? Thank you. |
| 02:35.23 | fdfr | no need for reply |
| 02:35.25 | DanDare | we know fdfr, just divagating |
| 02:35.43 | acu | fdfr: the best people from harvard are harvard dropouts not actual graduates (they are usually to obedient and too delusional) :) ---- however I still wonder how do you add the full debian menu too GNOME (it was there in previous releases) now is hidden - but GNOME is pretty damn solid - it rocks allways - kde is like a fragile miss with nice lipsticks :) |
| 02:36.33 | fdfr | acu, can't argue with that |
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| 02:36.37 | abrotman | acu: which version of debian ? |
| 02:37.30 | dsfwea23 | hello all, does squeeze support per user encrypted home directories? (not luks/partition encryption) |
| 02:37.45 | DanDare | this is great actually, we have lot of different environments we can choose, not just 1 |
| 02:38.05 | acu | squeeze |
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| 02:38.46 | abrotman | acu: system->preferences->main menu .. check the Debian box ? |
| 02:39.47 | beardy | DanDare: Of course it's great. It's the greatest. |
| 02:40.07 | acu | let me relog in gnome |
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| 02:41.37 | DanDare | There's a time basis that Debian releases security updates ? |
| 02:42.12 | DanDare | Or it can be everyday ? |
| 02:42.28 | KB1JWQ | DanDare: As needed. |
| 02:42.30 | beardy | They are released when they are made. After a while a revision of stable is made. Yes, it can be every day. |
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| 02:42.36 | DanDare | allright, thanks |
| 02:43.10 | stew | DanDare: http://security.debian.org/ shows you the dates they have been released recently |
| 02:43.24 | DanDare | nice stuff stew |
| 02:44.18 | DanDare | interesting to see things like wget still being updated |
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| 02:46.23 | acu | abrotman - yes it was too easy - why the heck that was disabled ? - I was in KDE long enough - I came back and in GNOME everything works wifi -warning about battery (in laptop) - just cool baby :) |
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| 02:46.57 | abrotman | acu: because IIRC, it's not very useful anymore |
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| 02:47.22 | acu | what is IIRC - it seem that I am so out of the loop |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | !iirc |
| 02:47.33 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 02:48.13 | acu | what is not useful anymore ? |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | because yu don't really need it anymore ? |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | the items are in other menus? |
| 02:48.49 | fdfr | hah, and i thought it was internet relay chat with and extra "i" :) |
| 02:49.29 | moldovean | as in mirc ;) |
| 02:49.40 | DanDare | when they say "lynx REMOVED from testing" it means it will not be avaliable for the next stable release? (unless they put in test again?) |
| 02:49.52 | beardy | Wth? |
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| 02:50.17 | acu | oh - you mean the complete debian menu - that is very usefull - people install all kind of applications - biomedical - you name it - and it was nowhere - the "classic" gnome menu did not show it - not to mention that many of the kde applications were not showing also |
| 02:50.30 | plov | how do i tell debian to default to a certain IP? i have 2, when i do apt-get update, it tries to use my secondary? |
| 02:50.32 | DanDare | *that from package track system |
| 02:50.38 | acu | what is lynx |
| 02:50.41 | abrotman | plov: use it as your default route |
| 02:50.49 | beardy | !lynx |
| 02:50.49 | dpkg | methinks lynx is a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. <links> ownz it. See also <oldlynx>. |
| 02:50.50 | DanDare | acu, its a text based internet browser |
| 02:51.19 | jpinx-eeepc | acu: see also links2 and -g |
| 02:51.30 | acu | Oh I see - that is why I did not use it - Internet explorer does everything for me :) |
| 02:51.40 | beardy | ... |
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| 02:51.43 | jpinx-eeepc | ... |
| 02:52.42 | moldovean | ... |
| 02:52.49 | acu | LOL |
| 02:52.58 | moldovean | !LOL |
| 02:52.58 | DanDare | they must invent a lynx plugin based on aalib to watch youtube videos |
| 02:52.58 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 02:52.59 | acu | what . . . means ? |
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| 02:53.32 | acu | how do you say buhuhu |
| 02:53.40 | acu | when you cry |
| 02:53.48 | acu | debian makes you do that a lot |
| 02:53.58 | DanDare | lies |
| 02:54.00 | acu | then you are stoned |
| 02:55.54 | DanDare | acu, looks that you are new to linux in general. You should try Ubuntu |
| 02:55.58 | krisfremen | how can i unbind unix-line-discard in inputrc? |
| 02:56.05 | DanDare | its anice distro, and less pain for the novice |
| 02:56.09 | beardy | DanDare: No no no... |
| 02:56.15 | DanDare | :) |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | DanDare: wrong channel, please don't do that here |
| 02:56.23 | beardy | !kill DanDare |
| 02:56.23 | dpkg | rips DanDare open with a Knoppix CD |
| 02:56.31 | DanDare | Oh i am sorry ! |
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| 02:56.52 | acu | DanDare: when I was using linux - you were not born (most probably) :) |
| 02:57.08 | DanDare | didnt know this level of corporatism ! |
| 02:57.27 | DanDare | Ahh so I am sorry acu, i got it wrong |
| 02:57.35 | jpinx-eeepc | acu: ageism :p |
| 02:57.52 | acu | I was joking - Debian is for real MEN - winnies go to Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse - and Rich People who like slavery go to Window$ |
| 02:58.04 | DanDare | but now i got curious, since when you use linux acu ? |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | acu: stop already |
| 02:58.13 | iluminator101 | i am not familiar with this terminally is trunk kernel oldest version of the kernel or ? |
| 02:58.18 | streuner_ | acu: oh Dear :-) |
| 02:58.36 | jpinx-eeepc | points acu and DanDare to #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:58.43 | streuner_ | iluminator101: /msg dpkg trunk |
| 02:58.47 | DanDare | yeah |
| 02:58.56 | DanDare | go |
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| 03:04.55 | elik | Where would I report that the hd-media and netinstall (and actual cds too, for that mattes), are out of sync, thus breaking install on usb sticks and such |
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| 03:05.25 | abrotman | elik: from which directories on the server? |
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| 03:07.40 | elik | abrotman, from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/amd64/iso-cd/ and http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 03:08.05 | jordanm | alright, I am trying to get a backtrace from segfaulting game. the time I run it in gdb, X turns black when it crashes. I see gdb still running... any crazy ideas for still getting the backtrace? |
| 03:08.05 | elik | abrotman, all other links on this page also bring to version from feb 16th or 19th |
| 03:08.06 | abrotman | right . one is alpha1, one is current .. try to match them up before you file a bug |
| 03:08.21 | elik | abrotman, fine, how do I find alpha1 hd-media^ |
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| 03:24.41 | iluminator101 | how do you find out what pc number your ram is like pc 3200 etc? |
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| 03:35.16 | moldovean | elik, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ \\.// http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/ |
| 03:35.52 | peloverde | The links on the debconf track pages all seem broken e.g. http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/track/Media%20and%20Art/index.en.html |
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| 03:39.39 | elik | moldovean, the daily do seem in sync now. I think there were not last time I checked (last week) |
| 03:39.49 | Kurogane | Any1 knows if i'm connected to vpn i get slow conection to internet? |
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| 03:42.35 | elik | moldovean, and that still doesn't make this page (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) not broken, given the link to hd-media is supposed to be for alpha1 release, but clearly is not |
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| 03:43.13 | voipzapper | hey again guys |
| 03:43.25 | voipzapper | thanks for everyone's help earlier |
| 03:43.34 | voipzapper | couple more questions |
| 03:44.25 | voipzapper | first, probably not rally the right place to ask, but does anyone here use chatzilla to access this or other irc's? |
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| 03:45.57 | acu | iluminator101 |
| 03:46.04 | acu | are you still awake ? |
| 03:46.18 | iluminator101 | yo |
| 03:46.19 | voipzapper | debian: decided it is just silly to try and squeeze and crimp. couple more gigs really isn't that hard to come by. so, how much space do i need for initial install with no packages, kde, pidgin, firefox, and the rather trivial vlc? |
| 03:46.21 | iluminator101 | acu y0 |
| 03:46.38 | moldovean | elik, you wrong , both link use daylly |
| 03:46.46 | acu | no |
| 03:46.52 | acu | then why would I tell you |
| 03:47.09 | iluminator101 | did you find my answer |
| 03:47.48 | moldovean | s/ daylly /daily |
| 03:47.50 | voipzapper | next, hoping to configure debian to boot directly, as in an unattended power failure, all the way up to where pidgin is running and logged in. |
| 03:48.03 | elik | moldovean, if you read again, you might notice I don't say you were wrong, but that the links in the alpha1 section were (one pointing to the daily of hd-media, the other to the alpha1 of cd/dvds) |
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| 03:48.12 | elik | moldovean, the daily section is indeed right |
| 03:48.36 | voipzapper | that state is very simple using windows. i guess one of parts i am sort of stuck on would be an unattended user login |
| 03:48.58 | moldovean | acu, you know idacu ;) |
| 03:49.03 | moldovean | ? |
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| 03:53.03 | voipzapper | ack! damned connection drop. lost all i typed. anyway, anyone have any idea of that size and any suggestions on how to do an unattended boot all the way to running apps? |
| 03:53.09 | stew | voipzapper: which display manager are you using? |
| 03:53.32 | stew | voipzapper: gdm, for instance, can be configured to do this, kdm probably can, xdm can't without recompiling it |
| 03:54.02 | xyan | slim has that feature as well and does not depend on gnome/kde |
| 03:54.05 | voipzapper | uh... well, that was sort of the big question earlier. if i have "unlimited space" (am tring to build a very tight system) i guess i'd use kde |
| 03:54.23 | voipzapper | xyan: slim? |
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| 03:54.44 | xyan | voipzapper: slim. |
| 03:55.02 | voipzapper | stew: gdm? kdm? gnome display manager? |
| 03:55.13 | elik | voipzapper, tight, kde, hahaha |
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| 03:56.22 | voipzapper | elik: heh heh. yeah, i know. that was kinda the joke earlier too. "tight" as in was hoping to get everything in around 1.5g, but that isn't going to happen with kde |
| 03:56.28 | stew | voipzapper: gdm is the gnome display manager. using gdm doesn't mean you need to use gnome, but if you are looking for a tight system, slim might be better unless you already are already pulling in a lot of the gdm dependencies |
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| 03:57.21 | voipzapper | so,... stanard "no packages" minimal net install, kde, firefox, pidgin, vlc. how big? i'd bet kde is 12-1/3 of the size |
| 03:58.47 | moldovean | elik, yeah , points current and alpha1 |
| 03:58.56 | xyan | voipzapper: 11/3? didnt you mention ~1.something gb space, forget kde get a "tight" wm + slim, be happy |
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| 03:59.33 | voipzapper | stew: gotcha. that's where i was headed. as far as "already", this is a fresh install and building this box as a "single" function (turnkey-ish?) box to do just pidgin and firefox and vlc (for streaming audio etc). dedicated low resource box. |
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| 04:00.43 | voipzapper | xyan: well, right now i have a 1.56g drive that just has the minimum initial install which is coming in right at 844m just after the install |
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| 04:01.07 | voipzapper | i could add another g very easily and probably 2 |
| 04:01.21 | xyan | voipzapper: thats not the minimum install which is ~250mb here |
| 04:01.58 | xyan | use stuff like deborphan, localepurge install with debootstrap dont install recommends and you might have a 0.1% chance to fit kde into 1.5gb but i doubt it |
| 04:03.08 | voipzapper | uh... interesting. that is what i was asking earlier. my version of a min inst is netinst iso and then checking nothing on the "additional" checklist. where else could i have scrimped. is there a script or an option or process in the installer i am unaware of? |
| 04:04.02 | voipzapper | so, you have gotten a fresh install back down to ~250m or is that all that went on to start? |
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| 04:04.10 | xyan | 190M debootstrap w/o --variant=minbase |
| 04:05.25 | voipzapper | i'm totally confused. how does that... should i not be using the netinst cd to do my initial install? |
| 04:05.45 | moldovean | !debootstrap |
| 04:05.45 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 04:06.42 | xyan | voipzapper: aptitude install kde vlc iceweasel -> Need to get 338MB of archives. After unpacking 915MB will be used. |
| 04:06.49 | xyan | and that is --without-recommends ;) |
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| 04:09.09 | voipzapper | xyan: i fully understand what is presented on that 2nd link in the debootstrap dpkg info, but "Fixup /etc/fstab, etc." would very likely be out of my league |
| 04:10.16 | xyan | take a look at a working system then (your netinst for example) backup its /etc to somewhere for reference |
| 04:10.25 | voipzapper | well, i have another gig here and there that i could add as drive2. |
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| 04:11.24 | voipzapper | oh. ok. i was going to say that i could do that, but i wasn't sure if that would sound dumb. you could NEVER do that with any kind of win sys. that would be suicide. |
| 04:11.34 | xyan | voipzapper: xorg fluxbox slim vlc iceweasel will result in Need to get 91.1MB of archives. After unpacking 237MB will be used. with my 190M debootstrap |
| 04:12.20 | voipzapper | that's pretty f-ing small. and rather amazing. |
| 04:13.53 | xyan | back to bisect & |
| 04:27.11 | rue_mohr | is there a system to allow network access to /dev/ things over a network? |
| 04:27.44 | rue_mohr | aka, I want to have /dev/ttyS0 accessable from a machine other than what its on, but for it to 'look' local? |
| 04:27.52 | rue_mohr | the ioctl is the problem I see |
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| 04:28.24 | dasnetz_ | hi.. anybody know about mapping network tool for debian? |
| 04:28.45 | rue_mohr | nmap |
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| 04:29.11 | rue_mohr | dasnetz_, |
| 04:29.13 | rue_mohr | nmap |
| 04:29.24 | rue_mohr | nmap 192.168.*.* |
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| 04:30.05 | dasnetz_ | rue_mohr: and createing graphics |
| 04:30.10 | dasnetz_ | creating* |
| 04:30.15 | Sherry2 | Hi - anyone knows if the lartc mailing list is still active |
| 04:30.17 | dasnetz_ | like lanmap |
| 04:30.24 | Sherry2 | http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/ - the last message there is in 2008 |
| 04:30.39 | Sherry2 | also i subscribed 24 hours back, but still did not get a confirmation email |
| 04:30.51 | Sherry2 | has the mailing list moved? |
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| 04:31.44 | DiodomanX | hi people |
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| 04:32.16 | DiodomanX | anyone have a tarball of debian for openmoko GTA02? |
| 04:32.35 | josch | DiodomanX: sure |
| 04:32.45 | DiodomanX | can you share ir? |
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| 04:32.51 | DiodomanX | share it |
| 04:32.55 | josch | one sec |
| 04:32.59 | DiodomanX | ok |
| 04:33.07 | josch | DiodomanX: but you should visit #openmoko or such :) |
| 04:33.19 | DiodomanX | im on that channel |
| 04:33.26 | DiodomanX | but i have no response |
| 04:35.11 | voipzapper | ok, dumbest question of the day. tryng to do "shutdown". i get command not found (and halt and poweroff and reboot).. uh...? fresh install. |
| 04:35.31 | beardy | voipzapper: You're not root. |
| 04:35.31 | voipzapper | was that part of the "standard package"? |
| 04:35.35 | stew | voipzapper: /sbin isn't in your path |
| 04:35.43 | voipzapper | yeah, i am. |
| 04:35.54 | beardy | What stew said then. |
| 04:36.21 | voipzapper | ok. so it should be in sbin? hmm. wonder why that wouldn't have been included in the path by the installer... checking |
| 04:37.30 | Arrowmaster | its only in your path if you are root |
| 04:38.03 | voipzapper | hmm. well, that was all partly true |
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| 04:39.38 | voipzapper | no, i was not root (thought i had logged as root), but all four of those were right where they should be. but if it was a root problem, wouldn't get some permission error? i got "-bash -shutdown command not found" when i was not root and then logged out, came back in as root and voila |
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| 04:41.20 | Arrowmaster | if /sbin was in your path and you were not root you would have gotten a permission error probably |
| 04:41.34 | Arrowmaster | but since it was not in your path you got the command not found error |
| 04:41.59 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
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| 04:42.55 | SineDeviance | question... i am running a debian lenny server on an older ibm thinkpad laptop. however the cpu frequency scaling feature of this laptop is causing problems with the UT dedicated server i am running. any way to keep the CPU from stepping speed? |
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| 04:44.01 | stew | SineDeviance: is cpufrequtils installed? |
| 04:44.42 | SineDeviance | stew: i just installed it. it says "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" |
| 04:44.45 | SineDeviance | do i need to reboot first? |
| 04:46.00 | stew | SineDeviance: no, you should probably remove it |
| 04:46.21 | SineDeviance | okay, will do. what about 'laptop-mode' is that supported in debian? |
| 04:46.52 | stew | yes, of course |
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| 04:47.08 | SineDeviance | stew: think it'll work? |
| 04:47.35 | stew | SineDeviance: are you sure your cpu frequency is being altered? |
| 04:47.39 | stew | SineDeviance: you are seeing it change? |
| 04:48.01 | stew | SineDeviance: does laptop-mode actually do anything with the cpu frequency? |
| 04:48.20 | SineDeviance | stew: no, but i know it's happening. UT always does this on systems with CPU frequency scaling. also, it's a thinkpad T23, and they do frequency scaling to save energy, even while on AC power. |
| 04:48.32 | stew | SineDeviance: what is UT? |
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| 04:48.51 | SineDeviance | stew: unreal tournament |
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| 04:49.32 | elik | I'm trying to reinstall debian on a raid1 partition and am having a hard time. The installer for grub complained that it failed. I now try to install manually, but can't find what to put in menu.lst and where to install |
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| 04:50.23 | stew | SineDeviance: and what exactly makes you think the frequency is changing? does /proc/cpuinfo show the frequency changing? |
| 04:51.34 | Nai-ux | is it bad practice to NFS export a symlink? for example if the symlink was deleted then remade straight after would it cause nfs filehandles to go stale on remote hosts? |
| 04:51.44 | SineDeviance | stew: no, because i'm using the system. it only powers down at idle. but this creates problems when you run UT server. look, i know it's doing it, okay? i just want to fix it. |
| 04:52.19 | stew | SineDeviance: what do you mean by "powers down"? |
| 04:52.41 | SineDeviance | stew: *sigh* i mean the CPU throttles down, i thought that was obvious since thats the problem i am having. |
| 04:53.08 | stew | SineDeviance: does |
| 04:53.21 | stew | SineDeviance: does "lsmod | grep cpu" show any matching modules? |
| 04:53.44 | SineDeviance | stew: it shows nothing |
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| 04:54.17 | stew | well if you aren't willing to check /proc/cpuinfo, i'll stop bothering you |
| 04:54.36 | SineDeviance | stew: i did check it. it's not going to show the cpu frequency changing. |
| 04:54.46 | SineDeviance | not when i am actually DOING something. |
| 04:54.48 | stew | why wouldn't it? |
| 04:54.48 | SineDeviance | see what i mean? |
| 04:54.51 | stew | no |
| 04:54.52 | elik | Anyone has tips on the installation of grub during debian setup. The automatic mode just gave up on me, saying grub failed |
| 04:55.08 | SineDeviance | because it automatically throttles UP when you touch the laptop. don't you know how CPU throttling works? |
| 04:55.14 | stew | yes |
| 04:55.25 | stew | and as we are talking I'm watching my frequency change pretty much constantly |
| 04:55.40 | stew | but I've never gotten that to work on any of my thinkpads without kernel modules loaded to make it happen |
| 04:55.48 | SineDeviance | stew: well, that doesn't work on this one |
| 04:55.48 | k- | debian birthday? |
| 04:55.50 | stew | and when it does (which is pretty much constnatly) /proc/cpuinfo changes |
| 04:55.59 | elik | k-, 17th |
| 04:56.08 | stew | but anyway, I'm obviously annoying you, and its not fun for me either |
| 04:56.36 | k- | =) |
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| 04:57.07 | SineDeviance | stew: it doesnt matter anyways. i told you, i already KNOW it's scaling the frequency, because UT only does this when that is happening. i already know the problem and i dont care to talk about it anymore. now i just need the solution. thats all i was saying. |
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| 04:57.39 | SineDeviance | hmm |
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| 05:02.27 | stew | elik: have you checked the other consoles for error messages? (like alt-f2 or alt-f3) ? |
| 05:04.52 | elik | stew, I can see some more stuff there |
| 05:05.19 | stew | elik: any clues to why grub install fails? |
| 05:05.37 | elik | stew, complains about no such partition quite a lot, then says it found /boot/grub, but down the road, says there is no mapping for md0 |
| 05:06.01 | elik | stew, then, it says on line 374, an unary operator is expected |
| 05:06.20 | elik | stew, and finaly, /boot/grub/stage1 was not read correctly |
| 05:06.34 | stew | elik: is this the stable installer? |
| 05:07.08 | stew | elik: are you trying to install grub onto md0? |
| 05:07.20 | elik | yup, lenny |
| 05:07.29 | elik | stew, grub is trying to install itself so far |
| 05:07.40 | elik | stew, but yeah, my /boot is on md0 |
| 05:07.50 | stew | what kind of array is md0? |
| 05:08.02 | elik | raid1 |
| 05:08.27 | elik | I read raid1 was fine, but 0 or 5 would fail, so I did a small raid1 partition |
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| 05:09.02 | stew | right, that's why I was asking |
| 05:09.16 | elik | :) |
| 05:09.45 | elik | stew, I'm trying to install it manually through console, but I can't find consistent information on what to put in menu.lst |
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| 05:10.26 | elik | and what to tell grub so it reads the menu.lst from the /target drive |
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| 05:11.50 | s3a | is there a difference between cd ~/someDirectory and cd ./someDirectory ? |
| 05:12.33 | elik | s3a, yes |
| 05:12.49 | s3a | elik, could you tell me what it is please? |
| 05:12.50 | elik | s3a, ~ is a short for your home directory |
| 05:12.57 | elik | s3a, so /home/s3a for instance |
| 05:13.06 | elik | s3a, . is the current directory |
| 05:13.09 | s3a | elik, yes but then how come cd ./Desktop does the same thing as cd ~/Desktop |
| 05:13.19 | s3a | ooo |
| 05:13.21 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt |
| 05:13.22 | elik | s3a, because you are currently in ~ |
| 05:13.28 | s3a | i see |
| 05:13.32 | elik | Arrowmaster, well, it does in one case... |
| 05:13.54 | s3a | it does the same thing because i already am in the home directory by default |
| 05:13.59 | s3a | i get it now :D |
| 05:14.29 | elik | stew, I've seen people creating different boot entries, one pointing to /dev/sd{a,b,c}1 |
| 05:14.49 | elik | stew, others pointing to /dev/md0, but adding -raid after the image |
| 05:15.40 | elik | stew, the instlallation manual doesn't go at length on the subject either... |
| 05:16.17 | s3a | is script programming based on a real programming language? |
| 05:16.37 | s3a | is script making even called programming? |
| 05:18.10 | elik | stew, for others, it just seems to work automagically -_- http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-page2.html |
| 05:18.17 | stew | elik: yeah, you would typically install to a read device, not md0. and it would be something like "grub-install --root-device=/target/boot /dev/sda" or some such |
| 05:18.26 | elik | s3a, it can get fuzzy |
| 05:18.29 | stew | but yes, I'd expect it to work automatically |
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| 05:18.47 | voipzapper | xyan, stew: so, two drives, a 1.5 and a 1.7. big nuff for standard min install, kde, firefox, pidgin, vlc? and perhaps a little leftover? also have a 2.1g. |
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| 05:19.00 | stew | s3a: yes, its based on the shell that its going to run it, typically bash or sh. sh being more generic and portable. bash being a superset of sh |
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| 05:20.26 | stew | voipzapper: i'd suspect so, but I don't know for sure. If you ahve a running system, "aptitude -s install package1 package2 package3..." will tell you how much more diskspace it needs |
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| 05:21.27 | elik | stew, I don't consider myself as having a funky setup.... 3 drives, raid1 on /dev/sd[abc]1 (one spare), which then create md0, ext3 mount for /boot, then the rest is raid5, with many lv for different parts of the of |
| 05:21.30 | elik | os* |
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| 05:28.25 | elik | stew, it might be worth mentioning that only /boot is on raid1, while / itself is on a raid5 on a lv |
| 05:30.28 | voipzapper | right.apt iceweasel, pidgin, kde, vlc... does apt need some params to exclude bloat? and you are talking about the cli ver? |
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| 05:33.46 | elik | stew, well, that seems half decent, let's try :D http://www.linuxsa.org.au/mailing-list/2003-07/1270.html |
| 05:34.27 | elik | from 2003... and it still seems so fuzzy |
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| 05:40.57 | voipzapper | should debian see a zip drive or do i need to load/config/specify one or more things before it will be recognized? |
| 05:41.25 | voipzapper | that kinda sonds like a dumb question actually... |
| 05:42.48 | dondelelcaro | voipzapper: depends what type of zip drive |
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| 05:43.23 | Dewi | voipzapper: if it's the old parallel port kind the ability for a computer to probe anything is limited, compared to say, USB |
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| 05:51.42 | Kev1 | hi, can anyone give some advice to design database based applications, like best programs to use? |
| 05:54.19 | dondelelcaro | Kev1: for what parts? |
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| 05:54.49 | Kev1 | what do you mean dondelelcaro ? |
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| 05:55.22 | dondelelcaro | Kev1: there are all sorts of parts to writing a program which uses a database; and there are all kinds of different ways to use a database to do that, too. |
| 05:55.30 | Kev1 | I'd like to design a database and make it a standalone application |
| 05:56.11 | SineDeviance | i am running debian lenny as a server with kernel 2.6.26-2-686. i need the acpi-cpufreq functions but they appear to be missing, as i cannot modprobe them. is there a kernel in the repos that DOES have these modules? |
| 05:56.57 | voipzapper | the zips are all ide and they have the advanced "A:" floppy jumper as well (which i would be almost certain should be left off for pretty much anything to do with linux). it may already be "recognized", but i guess i'd have to partition it...? |
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| 05:58.40 | Kev1 | dondelelcaro, I want to learn some programming and i don't know where to start |
| 05:58.55 | Kev1 | or what program use, I'm reading c++ by now |
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| 06:04.17 | SineDeviance | how do i add the acpi-cpufreq module to my kernel? i'm using debian lenny |
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| 06:12.41 | KB1JWQ | voipzapper: How? |
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| 06:17.53 | jelly-hme | voipzapper: search for vlc |
| 06:19.24 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: we've been through your setup for 2 days now...... |
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| 06:21.36 | voipzapper | vlc. right. thx. |
| 06:22.38 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 06:26.35 | ShapeShifter499 | I want to upgrade to iceweasel 3.6 and I heard its in the experimental repo, how do I mark just this one package to upgrade from the experimental repo? |
| 06:27.44 | krt | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 06:27.49 | krt | not quite right, but hints are in there |
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| 06:28.08 | krt | i just googled for you |
| 06:28.10 | krt | crap, i'm bored |
| 06:28.20 | ShapeShifter499 | xD |
| 06:28.41 | midkniht | you googled for me? |
| 06:28.53 | midkniht | was it !g biggest pimp ever? |
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| 06:30.21 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: which debian release are you using? experimental is meant to work for unstable only |
| 06:30.32 | jelly-hme | ,versions iceweasel |
| 06:30.35 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.11-1; squeeze: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 06:31.18 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, I'm using squeeze/sid |
| 06:31.27 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: squeeze or sid? |
| 06:31.42 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, wait |
| 06:31.47 | jelly-hme | !tell ShapeShifter499 about experimental |
| 06:32.52 | jelly-hme | I'm just using mozilla's firefox tarball unpacked in /opt/firefox |
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| 06:34.01 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, hmm... I installed from the squeeze full install cd and lsb_release -a says I'm running sid |
| 06:35.07 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, http://pastebin.com/HjSNAPUu |
| 06:35.12 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, why is this? |
| 06:36.08 | elik | I'm trying to install grub on a raid1 but I'm having a hard time :S |
| 06:36.23 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: because squeeze is not released yet. base-files (where lsb_release reads from) are usuallyupdated for a stable release late in the freeze |
| 06:37.15 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, oh |
| 06:37.17 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: apt-cache policy and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list will confirm which repo you're pulling packages from, and that's what matters |
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| 06:37.43 | jelly-hme | elik: software raid1 or hw raid1? |
| 06:37.55 | elik | jelly, software |
| 06:38.32 | elik | jelly-hme, the debian installer for lenny failed miserably, and I can't get it to work from the console either |
| 06:38.45 | jelly-hme | elik: grub legacy doesn't support it, you'd have to install it separately on all the members, or use lilo |
| 06:39.06 | elik | jelly-hme, grub 2 does? |
| 06:39.31 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, I don't look at my sources.list file, I just use the software sources tool, there is one sid line in there.... should I get rid of it if I just want a squeeze only system?? |
| 06:39.50 | jelly-hme | elik: no idea if the one in lenny does it without crippling bugs |
| 06:40.16 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: do look at it. |
| 06:40.24 | elik | jelly-hme, the annoying part is that I'm in the middle of the installer |
| 06:40.31 | elik | but the plan is to upgrade to squeeze later anyway |
| 06:40.47 | jelly-hme | elik: can you pastebin your /proc/mdstat ? |
| 06:40.54 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, I know I just looked at my sources.list file there is a sid line in it |
| 06:41.12 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: pastebin the whole thing, as well |
| 06:41.24 | elik | jelly-hme, hum, middle of installer, very few utility available |
| 06:41.40 | jelly-hme | elik: uh, phone camera, pastepic? |
| 06:41.40 | elik | jelly-hme, anything specific you are looking for? |
| 06:42.14 | jelly-hme | elik: did you or the installer create many small raid1, one for each partition, or one huge md device spanning the whole disk? |
| 06:42.28 | jelly-hme | elik: the former is typical and ought to work |
| 06:42.31 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, http://pastebin.com/8z9VYrAy |
| 06:43.34 | elik | jelly-hme, 2 partitions on drives, md0 as raid1 and md1 as raid5, /boot mounted on /dev/md0, / and the rest in some lvs in md1 |
| 06:43.40 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: yeah, you have a mixed install. Simplest thing to do is to reinstall, just removing won't be enough if you did an install or upgrade with that configuration |
| 06:44.04 | jelly-hme | elik: use lilo for the time being |
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| 06:45.18 | elik | jelly-hme, so I install lilo, then upgrade to squeeze and give grub2 a shot? |
| 06:45.40 | jelly-hme | elik: the raid-extra-boot thing makes lilo work: http://paste.debian.net/83820/ |
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| 06:46.10 | elik | jelly-hme, will the installer pick it up? it seems like it recognized it was a raid device |
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| 06:46.36 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, I haven't touched the sources file, the extra lines where added from the software sources tool, and I have never added any sid lines, how come that is there?? |
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| 06:46.58 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: I'd stay away from that tool |
| 06:47.21 | ShapeShifter499 | Jelly-hme: why?> |
| 06:47.32 | elik | jelly-hme, lilo failed as well |
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| 06:47.47 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: you just said it produces unexplainable changes in sources.list |
| 06:48.20 | elik | jelly-hme, Fatal: Inconsistent Raid version information on /dev/md0 |
| 06:48.24 | ShapeShifter499 | Jelly-hme: no I added some lines via that tool, just not any sid lines |
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| 06:48.32 | jelly-hme | elik: what's in the () ? |
| 06:48.50 | elik | jelly-hme, RV=0.90 GAI=1.2) |
| 06:48.55 | jelly-hme | ah, great |
| 06:48.58 | elik | jelly-hme, I used metadata version 1.2 |
| 06:49.11 | jelly-hme | elik: lilo only supports old 0.9 |
| 06:49.29 | elik | jelly-hme, does the installer ever need to reboot? |
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| 06:49.47 | elik | or I'll just land in the console at the end? |
| 06:49.50 | jelly-hme | elik: yes, it reboots into the correct kernel as last or next-to-last step |
| 06:49.55 | jelly-hme | I think. |
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| 06:50.13 | jpinx-eeepc | yes - last thing it does is reboot |
| 06:50.27 | jelly-hme | TBH I don't use d-i much |
| 06:51.22 | ShapeShifter499 | Jelly-hme: *facepalm* I'm remembering right after I installed from the squeeze install cd I took a look at the sources file and I noticed the sid line, I thought it was ok and I forgot to ask this channel why it was there |
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| 06:51.36 | elik | arrr! without a bootloader, that step won't be fun |
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| 06:53.29 | elik | so, there are actually 4 drives in the machine (one that contained the OS, and the raid arrays) |
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| 06:53.56 | elik | Could I complete without installing grub, then boot on the old OS, chroot into the new install |
| 06:54.09 | elik | and upgrade, install grub2 etc? |
| 06:54.25 | jelly-hme | elik: verify lilo.conf contains the important bit, retry installing it (or see if manual lilo -t and lilo run would work) |
| 06:54.54 | jelly-hme | elik: that is, after converting /dev/md0 to 0.9 metadata ;-) |
| 06:55.19 | elik | jelly-hme, ain't gonna happen, there are data on this drive |
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| 06:55.37 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, what do I do, I just got my system working the way I want it, should it be ok to keep this system the way it is |
| 06:55.42 | jelly-hme | elik: didn't you say you had a separate /dev/md0 just for boot? |
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| 06:56.00 | elik | jelly-hme, hum, right, I could redo only this one |
| 06:56.12 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: a mixed squeeze/sid system won't be supported in this channel |
| 06:56.26 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
| 06:56.26 | elik | jelly-hme, what about the "using the old install" solution? |
| 06:57.02 | jelly-hme | elik: sure. But what happens when you find out grub2 doesn't support e=1.2 either? |
| 06:57.13 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, well I can just upgrade fully to sid right? |
| 06:57.36 | jelly-hme | elik: it only gained support for 1.0 in 2010-07-20 package (ask me how I know ;-) |
| 06:57.51 | jelly-hme | !tell ShapeShifter499 about sid |
| 06:58.09 | jelly-hme | !tell ShapeShifter499 about sid faq |
| 06:58.10 | elik | jelly-hme, hum, so support for 1.2 is still to come |
| 06:58.19 | elik | jelly-hme, can you work harder? :P |
| 06:58.35 | jelly-hme | elik: yeah. Be conservative in choice of partitions/setups for /boot |
| 06:59.20 | elik | could it be why grub didn't like my setup? |
| 06:59.27 | elik | and cannot set itself up on it |
| 06:59.34 | elik | or that's still cause it's grub legacy? |
| 06:59.38 | jelly-hme | grub legacy doesn't know about md at all |
| 07:00.00 | jelly-hme | one can run the grub shell and install it manually on both disks |
| 07:00.12 | ShapeShifter499 | bangs head on table |
| 07:00.18 | ShapeShifter499 | UGH! |
| 07:00.37 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: you could remove that line, do an update, then try /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 07:00.44 | elik | jelly-hme, well, I was trying to do that, but it still doesn't want to find /boot |
| 07:01.04 | voipzapper | during the install from the netinst iso, there were several options about paritions that span more than one physical device. i read up on it at the time, but what are those called again? |
| 07:01.11 | elik | and the setup complains about not being able to o something (Error 17) |
| 07:01.36 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, ya um the rest of my sources file, does it have the correct squeeze lines? |
| 07:01.44 | elik | jelly, not being able to mount it |
| 07:01.51 | voipzapper | "LVP"? |
| 07:03.29 | jelly-hme | elik: yeah, 1.2 and 1.1 put metadata first and data blocks later; had you used 1.0 it might have worked better. But since you're going to replace it with a new md0, use the most compatible option ;-) |
| 07:04.07 | jelly-hme | voipzapper: LVM is the system. "lv", logical volume, is one partition-equivalent |
| 07:04.26 | elik | jelly-hme, so, last possibility: I take advantage of the command line I can get in the installer, --zero-superblock on all drive, recreate using 0.9 or 1.0, download squeeze nighly build of netinstall and have a peaceful install process? |
| 07:04.29 | jelly-hme | !tell voipzapper about lvm |
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| 07:05.41 | voipzapper | jellly-hme: tyvm. :-) |
| 07:05.44 | jelly-hme | elik: eh, wiping is always an option but at this point I wouldn't wipe it all, I'd just copy the data off md0, umount it, stop it, zero superblock only for those partitions, recreate it as 0.9, format and put data back |
| 07:06.24 | jelly-hme | elik: then continue with installer ;-) |
| 07:07.19 | elik | jelly-hme, for what it's worth... I mean, md0 is a virgin raid, it just got whatever the installer put in /boot... plus I'd still have to install lilo, which just doesn't inspire me. Last time I touched lilo was in 2000 when I was on Mandrake |
| 07:07.52 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-hme, wait, isn't sid where packages go right before they are tested and sent to the stable repo(like the squeeze repo) so I don't have to downgrade anything after removing the sid line in my sources file right? |
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| 07:09.04 | jelly-hme | elik: grub2 has better chance to work with 0.9 as well |
| 07:09.18 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: read the faq. |
| 07:09.29 | ShapeShifter499 | should not try to fix linux problems at this time of the night |
| 07:09.53 | elik | jelly-hme, and squeeze nightly installer is on grub2 |
| 07:10.02 | jelly-hme | elik: fun innit! |
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| 07:12.08 | jelly-hme | ShapeShifter499: at this point in the release process testing (= squeeze) is frozen (/msg dpkg freeze) and new packages don't enter from sid like the usual, only fixes for bugs do. If you installed anything from sid it may _never_ reach squeeze. |
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| 07:14.43 | elik | jelly-home, thank you VERY much for your time |
| 07:15.01 | elik | jelly-home, I'll continue the process tomorrow, have to go to work in 4 hours |
| 07:15.28 | elik | jelly-home, it's just sad that information regarding installation of linux on raid is so spread out and incomplete :( |
| 07:16.10 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, but wouldn't, eventually a squeeze package superseded a installed sid package(as long as said package stops updating from the sid package) |
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| 07:16.36 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, *sid repo |
| 07:16.37 | elik | ShapeShifter499, I was stuck with an older kernel at some point because of that |
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| 07:17.11 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: depends on the version. a fix versioned 1.2-2 won't supersede 1.3-0.1 from sid |
| 07:17.18 | elik | ShapeShifter499, there had been a fork or something, and the version of squeeze never actually caught up with sid |
| 07:17.41 | jelly-home | elik: I have to go work NOW :-| |
| 07:17.56 | ShapeShifter499 | ok thanks for the help |
| 07:18.02 | elik | jelly-home, but you're not on EST :) |
| 07:18.07 | ShapeShifter499 | I'll try the downgrade |
| 07:18.07 | elik | jelly-home++ |
| 07:18.16 | jelly-home | EST, CEST, similar enough |
| 07:18.19 | elik | wasn't there a karma thingy |
| 07:19.11 | elik | jelly-home, anyway, thanks so much again! |
| 07:19.58 | ShapeShifter499 | oh ya forgot to ask, I'm getting this ----> Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Packages |
| 07:19.58 | ShapeShifter499 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.58 | ShapeShifter499 | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Sources |
| 07:19.58 | ShapeShifter499 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.39 | ShapeShifter499 | oops |
| 07:20.41 | ShapeShifter499 | sorry |
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| 07:23.45 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm going to go and tackle this problem later |
| 07:23.47 | ShapeShifter499 | bye |
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| 07:24.52 | g0rd0n | i have a problem with the sqeeze kernel, basically it says "Waiting for root file system..." and then "Gave up waiting for root device", however the lenny kernel works fine... what could be the reason? |
| 07:25.17 | g0rd0n | i also tried changing the root parameter from /boot/grub/menu.lst from hd(1,0) to hd(0,0) but it didnt help either |
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| 07:27.08 | ondrejk | hello, i have problem with numerical keyboard in gnome, after logging in it's not working, but when i press num lock 2 times, it's working fine, where could be problem? |
| 07:27.26 | bolt-work | g0rd0n: what is your root device, then? lvm? raid? nfs? other weird stuff? |
| 07:27.51 | ondrejk | i've turned off "controling mouse via numerical keyboard" feature |
| 07:27.58 | g0rd0n | bolt-work: raid... actually raid is sucessfully mounted right before starting to wait for the root device |
| 07:28.16 | g0rd0n | "md1:Success: assembled all arrays" |
| 07:28.19 | g0rd0n | etc. |
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| 07:28.57 | voipzapper | what is the best way to find out about any given subject of debian/linux? right now, i'm sort of flailing around. i have found debian.org obviously, but... if this was any other subject, i'd just start punching words into google/etc, but there's got to be a better way for something so specific as an os. suggestions? |
| 07:29.32 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: are you still installing or what? |
| 07:30.11 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: that's been 2 days of getting your minimal instalol done - which should have taken you 2 hours |
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| 07:33.37 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: my day to day life is very busy with many things and i have been in and out and such. i am also building non-linux systems these last few days for actual paying customers, so my little debian box is getting less than full me-time. :-) |
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| 07:34.43 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: it seems to be getting a lot of attention in this # ;) |
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| 07:35.09 | voipzapper | also, i'm trying to read up fully on each thing i do prior to doing it so that i know what i'm doing. me - relative linux n00b |
| 07:35.58 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: debian is very friendly and aptitude is your best friend |
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| 07:36.23 | jpinx-eeepc | you can install and remove/purge at will and not break the system |
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| 07:39.04 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: oh, i'm not worried about that at all. when i get all the knowledge i need here, i'll just wipe him and do his full install all at once. |
| 07:39.47 | voipzapper | this is such a niche application. usually, the machines i'm working with, everyone wants them to get bigger and better and faster (and have money to throw at it). here i'm going the other way. |
| 07:40.11 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: lots of us here have minimal installs - me included |
| 07:40.18 | jpinx-eeepc | it's no big deal |
| 07:40.20 | voipzapper | jpinx-eeepc: but,... where do you go for "how do i do xyz?" |
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| 07:40.55 | voipzapper | and i have piles of semi-working tech that i'm wading thru for various reasons inculding this little project |
| 07:41.21 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: google for recent tutorials - look for dates on them, and ask in here |
| 07:43.07 | voipzapper | most of my time for the last two days has been spent on downgrading two systems from win 7 to xp |
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| 07:43.42 | voipzapper | google. ok. felt like i was being retarded and should to such-and-such "real" linux database or something. |
| 07:43.50 | voipzapper | *should go to |
| 07:44.00 | jpinx-eeepc | but please only ask questions that have been honed down to real specifics ;) |
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| 07:45.23 | voipzapper | well, ok. yes. trying to do that. so, for example: i need to know the dope on zip disks. google "linux manage zip disk" or something? (rather than ask about each step) |
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| 07:47.14 | jpinx-eeepc | you were asked what type of zip disk |
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| 07:48.06 | voipzapper | yes, and i said "ide, the newer ones that have the additional "floppy" jumper |
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| 07:48.59 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: google that then |
| 07:49.25 | jpinx-eeepc | lunches..... |
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| 07:53.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps where can i find an how-to for nagios 3 ( the one install in repo) so i can setup the server?? |
| 07:53.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | the ones online i found are for compiling it and it all looks diff.. |
| 07:53.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | the files are in diff places.. etc |
| 07:54.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | don't want to screw up.. |
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| 07:56.07 | c3l | okay Ive started to get interested in debian, so I read about it but what confuses me is; is it really only the stable release that gets security updates? on my desktop id like to be more up to date, thus run sid, but does this not provide any security updates? |
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| 07:58.10 | jpinx-eeepc | !nagios |
| 07:58.11 | dpkg | Nagios (formerly NetSaint) is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application software. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better. Packaged for Debian as nagios3. http://www.nagios.org/faqs/ #nagios on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:58.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Eryn_1983_FL: ↑↑↑ |
| 07:58.32 | jpinx-eeepc | !security |
| 07:58.32 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 07:58.58 | jpinx-eeepc | c3l: ↑↑↑ |
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| 07:59.02 | c3l | !unstable sequrity |
| 07:59.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | jpinx-eeepc: was that a hint to get the heck out here and go to #nagios? |
| 07:59.08 | c3l | !unstable security |
| 07:59.09 | dpkg | There is no security support for unstable (sid) at all. Uploads of new packages that fix security vulnerabilities are handled in the same way as any other new version -- this means it's up to the maintainer to do a new upload and you (perhaps) to reconfigure services to cope with the new version. This is one of the reasons unstable is not suitable for day-to-day use in many situations. Also ask me about <moving target>. |
| 07:59.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Eryn_1983_FL: read the factoid more carefully please |
| 08:00.11 | K|NgGh0sT | Can anyone help me get nvidia drivers to install on 2.6.30? m-a way doesnt work because it cannot find the kernel drivers |
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| 08:01.12 | c3l | so is sid not recommended to use on a desktop with daily usage? |
| 08:01.40 | dondelelcaro | c3l: not unless you're following development |
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| 08:02.04 | dondelelcaro | c3l: we're trying to keep testing in a state where it could be, but even there we have delays in rolling out security fixes |
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| 08:03.59 | c3l | oh, but basically sid should be as stable as ubuntu? as theyre based on sid, and they seem happy |
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| 08:08.14 | K|NgGh0sT | How can I fix this? linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.30 but it is not installable |
| 08:08.56 | liable | you'll have to get the latest kernel in the repo, or it may be on snatshop.debian.net |
| 08:10.30 | K|NgGh0sT | I do have the latest on the repo... |
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| 08:11.20 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: the lastest is 2.6.32-5 |
| 08:11.42 | K|NgGh0sT | then my repo is behind.. i couldnt fix that |
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| 08:12.06 | K|NgGh0sT | Squeeze on my repo could only find 2.6.30-2 |
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| 08:12.29 | liable | check again |
| 08:13.50 | K|NgGh0sT | I switched repos.. found it |
| 08:13.52 | K|NgGh0sT | thank you |
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| 08:18.48 | liable | yw |
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| 08:21.28 | anubisg1 | hi folks.. i'm studing for CLA11 and LPIC certification.. i'm just confused about something |
| 08:21.29 | anubisg1 | what's exactly the difference between LVM and RAID 0 ? (the difference between the others raid layes looks clear, but i don't get about this difference) |
| 08:21.48 | anubisg1 | anyone able to enlight me? :D |
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| 08:23.43 | kwork | anubisg1: have you even read about LVM ? |
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| 08:26.00 | RichiH | isn't there any way to make rsync ignore files older than X days during sync? the manpage does not list anything |
| 08:26.33 | anubisg1 | kwork, what is written in my book, yes i did... the main purpose (on what i red and understood) is that LVM allow you to create a volume group, "merging" the phisical drives... this volume group is seen like a single entity. into this volume group is possible to create logical volumes that can be compared to partitions |
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| 08:31.54 | lblume | Hi all, anybody here using pam_access successfully on Lenny, with groups coming from winbind? I'm hitting various issues, I can't be sure if the problem is in pam_access or samba |
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| 08:38.23 | kale | hi guys, i need some help to set up a database. what i did was to "su - postgres": createuser -D -A -P tvweb; createdb -O tvweb tvwebdb; psql -U tvweb -W tvwebdb; and then i get "psql: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "tvweb"" |
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| 08:40.03 | zck | hi there |
| 08:40.15 | Dewi | kale: there's a channel for postgres. But your problem is you are su as user 'postgres', not user 'tvweb' |
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| 08:40.54 | kale | Dewi: i have no tvweb user, shouldn't i be able to have that user only in postgresql? |
| 08:41.18 | Dewi | kale: yes, but you'll have to use a different auth scheme, like a password on TCP |
| 08:41.27 | kwork | anubisg1: and is raid 0 for that ? |
| 08:41.52 | kale | Dewi: oh, ok, so i change the auth scheme and what i did above should work? |
| 08:41.53 | Dewi | kale: something like this should be possible but you'll need to set a password first - psql -U tvweb -h localhost |
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| 08:42.46 | Dewi | kale: which you can do at create time: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/interactive/sql-createuser.html |
| 08:43.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Argh, I cannot get the nvidia m-a to work from the bot |
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| 08:43.18 | K|NgGh0sT | The tarball builds correctly too |
| 08:44.04 | Dewi | kale: there are probably other ways, but that's always seemed most natural to me (similar to mysql, MS-SQL, anyway) |
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| 08:45.36 | K|NgGh0sT | Here is my pastebin...http://pastebin.com/JzpBKtLq when I try to startx using the nvidia driver the module fails to load |
| 08:45.44 | kale | Dewi: ahh, that was it, thanks. i am used to using gentoo, setup is a bit different |
| 08:46.50 | streuner_ | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 08:46.52 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, streuner_ |
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| 08:47.04 | Dewi | kale: ah, didn't know that. But in this particular case debian is basically same as upstream, other than file locations anyway |
| 08:47.44 | kale | Dewi: yes, the gentoo setup has some step before you even are ready to start the daemon |
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| 08:49.01 | jmg | hi all, are old debian-security diffs archived anywhere |
| 08:49.16 | streuner_ | K|NgGh0sT: hm, i cannot see any errors in the paste |
| 08:49.44 | K|NgGh0sT | streuner_, me neither yet xorg does not like the nvidia driver |
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| 08:50.10 | jmg | i need the src for dsa-134 |
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| 08:50.38 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys nvidia |
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| 08:50.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nvidia' by key (14 of 84): #debian nvidia-howto ;; #debian-bots nvidia-installer ;; CMD: nvidia-installermsite (.*?) ;; _default nvidia howto ;; _default nvidia twinview ;; _default nvidia-howto ;; _default upgrade nvidia ;; nvidia installer ;; nvidia legacy ;; nvidia one-liner ;; nvidia pre-built ;; nvidia squeeze tum ;; nvidia-installer ;; nvidia.com. |
| 08:50.49 | jmg | dpkg dsa 134 |
| 08:50.50 | dpkg | wish i knew, jmg |
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| 08:51.08 | streuner_ | dpkg, nvidia one-liner |
| 08:51.09 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 08:52.08 | streuner_ | K|NgGh0sT: Did you follow the steps at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? |
| 08:52.27 | K|NgGh0sT | no I followed nvidia m-a from the bot |
| 08:52.34 | xyan | jmg: source for the exploit? or fixed source? |
| 08:52.42 | jmg | xyan: the diff |
| 08:52.51 | jmg | not interested in exploit |
| 08:52.56 | xyan | http://www.debian.org/security/2002/dsa-134 ? |
| 08:52.57 | jmg | i have it on my backtrack anyway |
| 08:53.01 | jmg | yes |
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| 08:53.05 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: those balloons are annoying on a HOWTO ... http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 08:54.26 | K|NgGh0sT | streuner_, they sure are... try using vesa drivers... it slows it right down |
| 08:54.42 | jmg | xyan: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/o/openssh/openssh_3.4p1-0.0woody1.diff.gz |
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| 08:55.11 | jmg | xyan: it is not in the wayback machine |
| 08:55.18 | streuner_ | K|NgGh0sT: if you ok with 1280x800, just use VESA |
| 08:55.22 | xyan | jmg: its on the archive though |
| 08:55.31 | jelly | jmg: that wouldn't contain the vulnerability patch, as it was fixed upstream in 3.3p1 -> 3.4p1 |
| 08:55.39 | xyan | jmg: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_3.4p1-1.woody.3.diff.gz |
| 08:56.16 | jmg | thanks |
| 08:56.17 | K|NgGh0sT | streuner_, it's a HTPC... kinda need more then that |
| 08:56.51 | jmg | as i suspected :) |
| 08:56.51 | streuner_ | K|NgGh0sT: just read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers then |
| 08:56.58 | jmg | thanks xyan :) |
| 08:57.10 | jmg | +#ChallengeResponseAuthentication no |
| 08:57.14 | K|NgGh0sT | streuner_, will do... seems like the exact same commands.. oh well. thanks for your help |
| 08:57.22 | xyan | ;) |
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| 08:58.22 | streuner_ | K|NgGh0sT: well, it seems a config problem, not installation m-a problem... |
| 08:58.54 | K|NgGh0sT | yeah |
| 08:58.57 | K|NgGh0sT | Thanks anyhow |
| 08:59.34 | streuner_ | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#ConfigureXtousethenvidiadriver |
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| 09:07.05 | kale | which package contains the pgo extensions for php? |
| 09:08.31 | xyan | you mean pdo? |
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| 09:09.02 | kale | xyan: yeah, thats what i meant |
| 09:09.19 | xyan | and which database? |
| 09:09.23 | joltcan | apt-file says its in php5-common: /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/pdo.so |
| 09:09.35 | jelly | is MIA information available to general public? |
| 09:09.45 | xyan | php5-mysql / php5-psql / php5-sqlite whatever |
| 09:10.03 | kale | xyan: ok, thanks |
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| 09:10.10 | joltcan | jelly: what is MIA? |
| 09:10.19 | xyan | missing in action? |
| 09:10.47 | joltcan | xyan: But then his sentence doesn't make sense, hence my question |
| 09:10.56 | jelly | !mia |
| 09:10.56 | dpkg | methinks mia is missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL. |
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| 09:11.06 | mkad | Hi |
| 09:11.10 | xyan | shrugs |
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| 09:11.15 | jelly | not very helpful. |
| 09:11.23 | mkad | how and where to chmod upstream files when packaging new package ?/ |
| 09:11.35 | mkad | I want to remove executable bits |
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| 09:11.49 | Sos | hi |
| 09:11.51 | jelly | joltcan: http://wiki.debian.org/MIA |
| 09:12.16 | mkad | ? |
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| 09:13.23 | jelly | dh_fixperms? |
| 09:13.37 | kale | joltcan, xyan: thanks, now i can begin developing ;-) |
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| 09:13.45 | jelly | mkad: dh_fixperms? |
| 09:13.54 | mkad | jelly, thanks |
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| 09:18.34 | mkad | jelly, how to combine dh @ with dh_fixperms |
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| 09:20.15 | jelly | mkad: I'm not good with making packages the proper way |
| 09:20.37 | jelly | !mentors |
| 09:20.37 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 09:21.22 | mkad | Does anyone know to what dh $@ extends to ? |
| 09:21.45 | dondelelcaro | mkad: $@ is the current target name |
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| 09:22.15 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: I've got nothing to do with them on the wiki |
| 09:22.16 | anubisg1 | kwork, sorry i was away.. well raid0 does almost the same thing.. you create 1 filesytem on 2 or more hard drives that are than seen as a single partition. that allow a faster access to your data because allow parallel r/w on both devices |
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| 09:23.43 | mkad | dondelelcaro, ah.. thanks man dh, explains how to override fixperms |
| 09:24.31 | dondelelcaro | mkad: np |
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| 09:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | all right... so as everyone keeps making fun of me because of reiser... |
| 09:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the favorite file system these days? |
| 09:36.16 | RichiH | isn't there any way to make rsync ignore files older than X days during sync? the manpage does not list anything |
| 09:36.24 | RichiH | jelly? :p |
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| 09:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | too esoteric.... |
| 09:39.46 | jelly | RichiH: RichiH RichiH |
| 09:40.03 | jelly | highlighting is fun! |
| 09:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | --filter=RULE? .... RichiH well, find >file and either --files-from=FIle or --exclude-from=FILE should do it |
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| 09:41.28 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: i want to avoid stuff like creating a list and synching from that as that has more places that can break |
| 09:41.42 | RichiH | will need to try and find out what rules he can use |
| 09:42.08 | jelly | RichiH: when you inevitably create a list of files, use find -print0 and rsync -0 |
| 09:42.31 | RichiH | RULE allows file patterns, only |
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| 09:42.58 | RichiH | jelly: eloquently put |
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| 09:49.58 | damio | Hi |
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| 09:51.04 | becki | hi. just a small question. what will be the name of the testing release after squeeze? |
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| 09:57.43 | fireba11 | afaik that is not defined yet |
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| 10:05.14 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 10:05.35 | AlexC_ | how do I add a reply to this bug report? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510884 - I'd like to suggset it be part of 5.0.6 since since the 5.0.0 release there is a package in Debian that simply can't work |
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| 10:07.20 | ShapeShifter499 | hi again |
| 10:07.37 | ShapeShifter499 | is this ok for apt-pinning http://pastebin.com/H6MN2jEw |
| 10:08.10 | becki | fireba11, thanks |
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| 10:09.35 | R1ck | hi. so I'm still running Etch on some servers. will security updates still be released for etch? and if so, for how long? |
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| 10:11.18 | jacekowski | one year |
| 10:12.32 | iceroot | R1ck: no sec updates for etch anymore |
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| 10:13.01 | R1ck | hm |
| 10:13.19 | R1ck | well thats crappy :P dist-upgrading to lenny brakes the servers |
| 10:13.27 | iceroot | Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. |
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| 10:14.17 | ShapeShifter499 | R1ck, back up and reinstall with newer version maybe? |
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| 10:14.48 | iceroot | R1ck: and what is braking the server? |
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| 10:20.46 | R1ck | iceroot: php5, sometimes, randomly, it logs a message about mysql and not being able to load threads or something, so apache dies |
| 10:21.27 | iceroot | R1ck: but that is not a lenny-dist-upgrade problem |
| 10:21.48 | iceroot | R1ck: dont use etch on a webserver anymore, there are no sec updates |
| 10:22.07 | R1ck | [Sat Aug 07 03:00:01 2010] [notice] Graceful restart requested, doing restart |
| 10:22.07 | R1ck | PHP Fatal error: Unable to start mysql module in Unknown on line 0 |
| 10:22.07 | R1ck | Can't initialize threads: error 11 |
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| 10:22.34 | oznt | hi guys, i'm trying to install debian from a usb, and I have only the following options from task select: ssh server, mail server, and standart system. What happened to the option to install desktop ? |
| 10:22.35 | R1ck | that *is* a lenny dist upgrade problem, because if I dont dist upgrade to lenny, there is no problem :) |
| 10:22.41 | oznt | does someone know ? |
| 10:23.07 | R1ck | oznt: desktop packages are probably too big to fit on a USB image |
| 10:23.18 | iceroot | R1ck: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-308542.html there is your fix |
| 10:23.35 | iceroot | R1ck: just put the error on google :) |
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| 10:24.45 | R1ck | iceroot: the fix being? reinstalling the php5/mysql packages? already did that a few times, doesnt matter |
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| 10:25.09 | iceroot | R1ck: using the packages from lenny? or another repo? selfbuild php/mysql? |
| 10:25.23 | oznt | R1ck, but the usb is reading the first ISO CD it's a bit wired no ? |
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| 10:26.19 | R1ck | oznt: dont know, never used it. but cant you just install standard and when its finished apt-get the rest? |
| 10:26.45 | R1ck | iceroot: standard lenny packages, nl mirror, nothing self-build :( |
| 10:26.53 | R1ck | iceroot: funny thing is a default lenny install works fine |
| 10:28.07 | iceroot | R1ck: used a new config? |
| 10:28.35 | oznt | R1ck, i can, |
| 10:28.37 | oznt | sure |
| 10:28.37 | iceroot | R1ck: maybe your config is broken atm and if you are not using apt-get remove --purge (or the aptitude thing..) you still have your old config |
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| 10:30.16 | R1ck | iceroot: what config would that be then? the server is running fine atm, we dist-upgraded all +/- 40 webservers to lenny, got those random errors, then downgraded back to etch |
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| 10:30.46 | iceroot | R1ck: the apache or mysql-modul config |
| 10:31.41 | R1ck | i'm afraid a re-install, like ShapeShifter499 suggested, will be the only option :( |
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| 10:33.47 | oznt | my apt-get update is trying to download packages in the size of 2GB is this normal ? it's trying to get some traslations for the updates ... |
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| 10:37.22 | oznt | is this normal that apt-get update is trying to get a package called Translation_EN_US\ |
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| 10:39.59 | ShapeShifter499 | can someone tell me what are the correct repo lines for the following, stable, testing, unstable, and experimental ? |
| 10:41.09 | nkuttler | ShapeShifter499: man sources.list |
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| 10:42.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ShapeShifter499 about sources |
| 10:43.08 | ShapeShifter499 | um... |
| 10:44.49 | ShapeShifter499 | well I'm trying to set up apt-pinning so I can install some small stuff like iceweasel from a different repo without updating anything else and I'm getting errors when using update manager to install updates |
| 10:46.59 | kmonk | hey ShapeShifter499 ^_^ what's the error? (consider pastebin) |
| 10:47.31 | ShapeShifter499 | I used this tutorial on setting up apt-pinning --> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html and keep getting this in update manager---> http://tinypic.com/m/bdpshx/3 |
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| 10:49.07 | ShapeShifter499 | this is my /etc/apt/preferences ---> http://pastebin.com/qV7G21g5 |
| 10:49.34 | kmonk | gnome update manager error messages aren't every useful :s |
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| 10:50.18 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
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| 10:50.45 | ShapeShifter499 | kmonk: did I setup apt-pinning right? |
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| 10:51.24 | ShapeShifter499 | oh and my sources.list file----> |
| 10:51.26 | ShapeShifter499 | http://pastebin.com/Pqm7rNDF |
| 10:52.24 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm pretty sure everything is setup right but ..... I can't get update manager to check for updates |
| 10:52.46 | lxsys | How do I disable X screen blanking on lenny? |
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| 10:55.08 | kmonk | ShapeShifter499: i see two packages for libmozj , libmozjs2d and libmozis0d.. so you may consider changing that package name? |
| 10:55.08 | kmonk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.12 | kmonk | or consider swiftfox as an easier solution for your browser unless you really want to mix revisions with apt-pinning |
| 10:57.11 | ShapeShifter499 | kmonk: do you know if update manager works with apt-pinning? |
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| 10:59.37 | kmonk | tbh i don't. i would consider using the terminal commands for apt-get / aptitude to get a better grip of what's really going wrong in your case. |
| 11:00.35 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm thinking my sources.list file is all wrong |
| 11:00.51 | ShapeShifter499 | I get a lot of 404 errors |
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| 11:02.47 | ShapeShifter499 | kmonk aptitude update---> http://pastebin.com/Z8HHWEuf AND apt-get update---> http://pastebin.com/sg08Mx31 |
| 11:02.49 | kmonk | you do understand that packages from different repositories wont neccesarily play together nicely? you have like every repository in there o_O |
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| 11:03.24 | ShapeShifter499 | thats what my /etc/apt/preferences file is for |
| 11:03.37 | ShapeShifter499 | /etc/apt/preferences ---> http://pastebin.com/qV7G21g5 |
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| 11:04.26 | ShapeShifter499 | no wait this is the updated one sorry http://pastebin.com/L1bN5kQR |
| 11:04.26 | themill | ShapeShifter499: Your "Current" and "Testing" repos are pointing to the same thing; you may as well get rid of them. Understand that there's no testing-security support yet (but that entry does no harm). There is no sid security support or sid-proposed-updates either... think about it and if you can't see why that makes absolutely no sense at all, delete sid and experimental from your sources.list straight away. |
| 11:04.31 | abrotman | squeeze and testing are the same, but have different priorities? |
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| 11:05.25 | ShapeShifter499 | isn't squeeze going to be switched over from testing to stable any day now, thats what the differences are |
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| 11:05.41 | themill | ShapeShifter499: There's also no point in having "main non-free" and not having contrib. And you don't need two different entries for the security updates. |
| 11:06.12 | voipzapper | hey again folks |
| 11:06.16 | themill | ShapeShifter499: if you want to run "squeeze" then you should only have "squeeze" in your sources.list. If you want to run "testing" then you should only have that. |
| 11:06.42 | ShapeShifter499 | themill I'm trying to do apt-pinning |
| 11:06.59 | themill | ShapeShifter499: so? |
| 11:07.04 | kmonk | welcome back voipzapper, still in a tty bash shell or did you decide apon a wm? |
| 11:07.21 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: thats the reason for the different repos |
| 11:07.38 | sonicx | trying to setup plymouth on debian. it works mostly, but the processbar is "out of sync". i dont have a boot-duration file it seems. anybody got this working? |
| 11:07.57 | themill | ShapeShifter499: stop making problems for yourself that don't exist. Stop mixing different releases and think about the repositories that you're actually asking for. |
| 11:08.06 | abrotman | why is he mixing at all? |
| 11:08.16 | ShapeShifter499 | *facepalm* |
| 11:08.32 | voipzapper | so, i got all the zip disk info and got them working. protip (as if anyone here really needed it): if searching for info on that or similar topics for a linux box, look for the newest info. |
| 11:09.03 | ShapeShifter499 | for different things like the latest iceweasel |
| 11:09.20 | abrotman | why? what's wrong with the one in squeeze? |
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| 11:10.04 | themill | ShapeShifter499: you've still not actually thought through what you've put in your sources.list though. Most of those entries are redundant. Half of them make no sense at all. Think about it. |
| 11:11.20 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: better? ---> http://pastebin.com/ALTrsMi2 |
| 11:11.37 | abrotman | no |
| 11:11.47 | ShapeShifter499 | what? |
| 11:11.55 | voipzapper | regarding lv's, can an lv be the boot partition or do you have to have at least two partitions if you are using lvm? |
| 11:12.17 | themill | ShapeShifter499: marginally.. but you've ignored half of what I've suggested and clearly still haven't thought about what you're proposing to do. |
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| 11:13.50 | psycho | hello? |
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| 11:15.23 | ShapeShifter499 | themill, doesn't my /etc/apt/preferences allow me to update what I want from the other repos but update everything else from the squeeze repos? http://pastebin.com/L1bN5kQR |
| 11:15.25 | psycho | what's the name of the KDE service that's reponsible for the wallpaper of the desktop and the clicks made on the desktop that gernerates the menus and stuff...? |
| 11:16.13 | abrotman | service? |
| 11:16.22 | psycho | or name of the package |
| 11:16.36 | psycho | I believe its kicker, and kicker is running via `ps aux` |
| 11:16.56 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 11:17.03 | psycho | however my main user along with a new user is unable to interact with the background of the desktop |
| 11:17.04 | abrotman | it doesn't work? It barks like a dog? |
| 11:17.29 | themill | ShapeShifter499: there is no point in having both "squeeze" and "testing" in your sources.list. You are asking for trouble. Decide what you want to be running in a few months time: do you want to run testing or if you want squeeze? If you want squeeze, then get rid of sid and experimental as well. |
| 11:17.32 | psycho | the background of the KDE desktop is not functioning |
| 11:17.41 | psycho | correctly |
| 11:18.04 | psycho | I tried installing all necessary 3.5 KDE packages |
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| 11:18.18 | themill | ShapeShifter499: your syntax for your preferences file is also wrong. |
| 11:18.34 | ShapeShifter499 | ? |
| 11:18.41 | themill | psycho: there's a "kdesktop" too |
| 11:18.53 | psycho | hmmm i'll check that out one moment |
| 11:19.02 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: ok what is the right one? |
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| 11:19.14 | Stereo | hi there |
| 11:19.26 | themill | ShapeShifter499: the one described by "man 5 apt_preferences" |
| 11:19.39 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: I was following this tutorial http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 11:19.53 | Stereo | can someone on lenny i386 run a md5sum /bin/netstat please? Do you get f73270b7be0d946df37b66b0d16eea1e ? |
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| 11:20.09 | themill | ShapeShifter499: and yet you managed to make up a syntax that isn't in that tutorial at all |
| 11:20.22 | jelly | ShapeShifter499: preferences syntax is not too logical. If it's not explicitely mentioned in the manual don't expect it to work |
| 11:20.25 | jelly | !pinning |
| 11:20.25 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 11:20.27 | themill | Stereo: looks fine to me |
| 11:20.32 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: oh you mean --> * |
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| 11:20.55 | themill | no, "Package: iceweasel xulrunner libmozjs2d libmozis0d" |
| 11:21.02 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: oohh |
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| 11:22.03 | themill | ShapeShifter499: plus the fact that trying to separately pin squeeze and testing is a crazy thing to do right no because they are the same and is an even more crazy thing to try to do once squeeze has released as it's the fastest way to a broken box. |
| 11:22.39 | kmonk | all that glitters is not gold, and often people write tutorials on how to do awesome things without really explaining the consequences or potential consequences simply because they want people to think they are pro or something... :s |
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| 11:23.19 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: and what could go wrong? |
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| 11:23.25 | kmonk | official documentation is the way to go if you can get it |
| 11:23.28 | jelly | !tutorials |
| 11:23.28 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 11:24.13 | themill | ShapeShifter499: [12:03] <kmonk> you do understand that packages from different repositories wont neccesarily play together nicely? you have like every repository in there o_O |
| 11:24.25 | psycho | themill: kdesktop was it. |
| 11:24.28 | psycho | exit |
| 11:24.31 | psycho | oops |
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| 11:26.47 | Stereo | themill: thanks! |
| 11:27.03 | themill | np |
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| 11:28.54 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: is my apt/preferences better now--> http://pastebin.com/Vfspe20P |
| 11:29.58 | abrotman | you guys could just let him screw up his box .. maybe he'd learn then? |
| 11:30.06 | themill | quietly sobs into his coffee |
| 11:30.42 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman: I'm not going to screw up my box |
| 11:30.53 | nkuttler | famous last words.. |
| 11:31.14 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: okay, then why are you asking us how to fix the file .. just do what you think is right |
| 11:31.37 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
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| 11:32.01 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman: ok one last thing, why am I getting this--> W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 11:32.06 | themill | ShapeShifter499: you appear to be working really hard at doing so. At this stage of the release cycle, you should not be mixing squeeze and experimental. And I'd have to say that your knowledge of debian repositories and releases is such that you probably shouldn't be touching sid or experimental for a while -- leave it until you know what they really are and how they can bite you in the arse. |
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| 11:32.34 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: you tell me .. you're the one that has this all figured out |
| 11:33.11 | nkuttler | obvious errors++ |
| 11:34.04 | abrotman | dpkg: flw63 is <reply><ShapeShifter499> abrotman: I'm not going to screw up my box |
| 11:34.05 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 11:34.28 | jelly | abrotman: fwiw, it's already screwed up and we (well, me) suggested a reinstall some 6 hours ago |
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| 11:34.49 | themill | heh...excellent |
| 11:34.52 | abrotman | you guys realize it's like 0430 where he is? (or at least where he's IRCing from) |
| 11:35.09 | jelly | well it wasn't me, it was jelly-home before he went to work |
| 11:35.23 | abrotman | yeah right .. jelly-home doesn't go to work |
| 11:35.33 | jelly | that's true! |
| 11:36.05 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly: what? |
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| 11:37.20 | jelly | ShapeShifter499: ? Sorry, please me more specific about what you're referring to. |
| 11:37.26 | jelly | s/me/be/ |
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| 11:37.51 | jelly | FTR, [08:43] <jelly-hme> ShapeShifter499: yeah, you have a mixed install. Simplest thing to do is to reinstall, just removing won't be enough if you did an install or upgrade with that configuration (and it's [13:37] now) |
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| 11:38.04 | zck | hi there |
| 11:38.13 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly: .... |
| 11:38.57 | jelly | that was just some historical data for abrotman |
| 11:39.10 | abrotman | he'll just mix it up again! |
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| 11:39.22 | jelly | back when you "only" had squeeze and sid enable |
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| 11:40.21 | ShapeShifter499 | haha! (has gotten update manager to work correctly) |
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| 11:41.45 | themill | fsvo "correctly" |
| 11:41.53 | ShapeShifter499 | found out it was these two lines "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib" and "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib" messing it up |
| 11:42.21 | abrotman | yeah .. figured that out all by commenting them out huh ? |
| 11:42.31 | abrotman | do you actually understand why they're wrong? |
| 11:42.36 | ShapeShifter499 | yes |
| 11:42.41 | abrotman | why is that? |
| 11:42.50 | ShapeShifter499 | there is no updates |
| 11:42.52 | jelly | (because that repo doesn't exist at all) |
| 11:43.04 | ShapeShifter499 | not for squeeze |
| 11:43.08 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
| 11:43.10 | jelly | ShapeShifter499: not for anything |
| 11:43.14 | ShapeShifter499 | ? |
| 11:43.20 | abrotman | notice your security.debian.org squeeze/updates works just fine |
| 11:43.25 | abrotman | you clearly don't have a clue |
| 11:43.31 | ShapeShifter499 | .... |
| 11:43.37 | jelly | berating him won't solve the issue tho |
| 11:43.52 | abrotman | well, we tried to have him do something sensible, that also failed |
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| 11:44.05 | jelly | and judging from the backlog it's not going to convince him he's clueless, either |
| 11:44.17 | ShapeShifter499 | well I'm getting no more errors from anything on this comp so everything is good |
| 11:44.19 | ShapeShifter499 | :D |
| 11:44.31 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm now going to leave it alone |
| 11:44.37 | heroid | guys |
| 11:44.37 | abrotman | whatever you say .. enjoy the pieces! |
| 11:44.41 | heroid | i installed lenny with kde |
| 11:44.48 | heroid | but it seems i can't get wireless working |
| 11:44.54 | abrotman | heroid: which wifi chipset?> |
| 11:44.56 | heroid | it has kde 3.5 |
| 11:45.01 | heroid | its an atheros card |
| 11:45.04 | heroid | it recons the card |
| 11:45.06 | themill | ShapeShifter499: only for the moment... as soon as squeeze is actually released you are destined for more pain. Make sure you learn about the repos some more prior to that release |
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| 11:45.09 | heroid | but it does not connect to any network |
| 11:45.16 | abrotman | heroid: which actual chipset? it matters .. try 'lspci -nn' |
| 11:45.24 | heroid | ok |
| 11:45.24 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: nothing will happen |
| 11:45.30 | abrotman | bye! have fun! |
| 11:46.00 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: its like when ppl said y2k will mess everything up and it didn't |
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| 11:46.08 | heroid | abrotman: 06:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 11:46.10 | jelly | yes, it's exactly like that |
| 11:46.13 | themill | ShapeShifter499: *plonk* |
| 11:46.17 | jelly | -_- |
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| 11:46.20 | abrotman | judd: pciid 168c:001c |
| 11:46.22 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 11:46.42 | abrotman | heroid: the ath5k in lenny is a bit .. "flaky" .. you might want to get the backports.org kernel for lenny |
| 11:46.49 | heroid | this crad works with the linux-libre kernel |
| 11:46.59 | abrotman | heroid: and which version is that kernel? |
| 11:47.09 | ShapeShifter499 | themill: what do you think will happen to my system |
| 11:47.14 | heroid | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 11:47.20 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: he put you on ignore .. |
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| 11:47.26 | ShapeShifter499 | ..... |
| 11:47.39 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: you've ignored the advice of numerous people that know far more than you do .. if you want to break your system, go do it, don't bother us about it |
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| 11:48.05 | janis | hi there!! is there some easy way to install debian on a file on windows? (w/o partitioning, except maybe for the boot partition that holds grub/vmlinuz) |
| 11:48.16 | ShapeShifter499 | mhm bye all |
| 11:48.27 | abrotman | janis: there used to be something called co-linux, not sure exactly how it works or if it still exists |
| 11:48.27 | petemc | janis: virtualbox |
| 11:48.29 | ShapeShifter499 | blacklists #debian |
| 11:48.50 | janis | petemc, isn't virtualbox an emulation layer? |
| 11:49.23 | janis | listen, all I want is to tell somehow automatically to initrd to first mount windows and then loop-mount the file. |
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| 11:50.22 | janis | in debian, eg, the funtionality of nfbooting from informed initrd is implemented. hopefully some other package provides root image on a file on on NTFS |
| 11:50.32 | janis | nfsbooting* |
| 11:50.51 | janis | seeks co-linux |
| 11:51.50 | janis | oh, i didn't specify thet I was looking for a dual boot configuration |
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| 11:53.54 | Folle | ciao |
| 11:53.56 | Folle | !list |
| 11:53.56 | dpkg | folle: VATTENE VIA! |
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| 11:58.44 | sawyer_ | hi i'm trying to install gcc-multilib on Debian on ARM but can't since it doesn't exist |
| 11:58.57 | bluegene | did anyone have success installing squeeze on a crypted ext4 device? i can install it, but booting doesn't work (cryptsetup says "unknown fstype") |
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| 12:01.00 | moldovean | bluegene, try ask in next room #grub |
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| 12:03.12 | bluegene | moldovean: you think it's related to grub? |
| 12:04.11 | moldovean | you risk nothing to ask |
| 12:04.50 | Shadur | Guys, quick check: Debian has support for hot-swappable eSATA, right? |
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| 12:06.53 | jelly | Shadur: if the hardware supports (that is, if you have proper eSATA controller and enclosures), and the Linux driver for that controller supports it, sure |
| 12:07.04 | heroid | i installed linux-libre now everything is allright :) |
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| 12:08.16 | lucasamorim | Hello guys, I am setting up a laboratory infrastructure where I will have 30 computers and one server. I would like to be able to use ldap or something like to store user's authentication information as well as providing a central storage for their home directories in this central server. Is there a READY solution? Something like a debian based (luckly) distro just for doing this on both client and server sides? |
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| 12:09.24 | lucasamorim | If not, could you point me to a GOOD tutorial that really builds a safe an stable enviroment? |
| 12:09.47 | obiwahn | hi - i am running my ttys i high resolution but they now seem pretty slow compared to x terminals - is there a way to speed things up a bit? |
| 12:10.17 | jelly | there was a syntax with -*- characters for editors to read a script and detect the encoding used for writing it. What's the syntax to write in a perl script to make my editor know the comments are written in UTF-8? |
| 12:10.23 | obiwahn | s/ i h/ in h/ |
| 12:10.32 | lucasamorim | My current solution is quite unstable and I really have to redo it all! :( |
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| 12:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "unstable" about it |
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| 12:13.01 | lucasamorim | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, some users get their home dirs mounted and some note |
| 12:13.03 | lucasamorim | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, some users get their home dirs mounted and some not |
| 12:13.50 | lucasamorim | CutMeOwnThroat: some times the ldap server crashes saying "to many open files" |
| 12:13.54 | lucasamorim | too* |
| 12:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly one of http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP http://www.openldap.org/faq/ http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup ? |
| 12:14.40 | elik | jelly, hum, about yesterday, if ever the installer for squeeze still doesn't want to install grub correctly, what should my menu entry should look like? And how would I install on the mbr? |
| 12:15.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd try to figure out what goes wrong... re-doing things isn't very educational even when it works |
| 12:15.36 | jelly | elik: oh, the menu entry will get generated. As for installing, try asking in #grub |
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| 12:16.14 | jelly | elik: that applies to grub2. they won't support legacy in that channel |
| 12:16.47 | jelly | elik: I don't know how to install grub legacy manually off the top of my head |
| 12:17.20 | elik | jelly, yeah yeah, grub2, and will look in #grub, thx |
| 12:17.59 | jelly | elik: I think things could Just Work with the classic md raid metadata format |
| 12:19.53 | elik | jelly, I'll certainly hope for that :) |
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| 12:20.40 | elik | jelly, I didn't know raid was still such an exotic thing o.O |
| 12:21.56 | elik | jelly, just finding doc on the fact that raid5 is not supported is quite hard, let alone figuring out metadata .09 has to be used |
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| 12:24.22 | jelly | elik: it's been the default for a very long time |
| 12:24.36 | jelly | when defaults change things break |
| 12:24.41 | elik | jelly, well, it still is |
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| 12:25.15 | jelly | and if you went and used a non-default option, you should know you're exercising less used and less tested code |
| 12:25.26 | elik | jelly, thing is, with the bigger and bigger hard drives, I think you need 1.2 |
| 12:26.15 | jelly | elik: what's wrong with 1.0? |
| 12:27.15 | jelly | it's newer, but it still puts metadata at the end |
| 12:27.22 | elik | jelly, well, I didn't read at length on the topic, but I was left with the impression 0.9 (the default) could not support drives bigger than 2TB or something |
| 12:27.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | well, happy birthday debian. |
| 12:27.46 | jelly | pops Kamping_Kaiser's balloons |
| 12:27.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | turns out it was yesterday, but ya get that, when the people doing press releases live in the wrong timezone ;) |
| 12:27.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly: :O |
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| 12:29.09 | elik | jelly, and well, instead of going from 0.9 while 1.2 existed... I just told myself I'd go with the best and the latest |
| 12:29.22 | elik | jelly, I have to admit I was not aware of all the implications |
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| 12:29.47 | jelly | elik: there's always the first time ;-) |
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| 12:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | sns? |
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| 12:31.34 | sawyer_ | hmm.. there is no gcc-multilib for ARM - am i missing something? |
| 12:31.54 | abrotman | sawyer_: you might want to ask #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:32.04 | sawyer_ | abrotman, excellent, thank you! |
| 12:32.15 | abrotman | sawyer_: but, it would appear that way |
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| 12:34.11 | sawyer_ | :( |
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| 12:37.12 | jelly | --> |
| 12:37.38 | jelly | click here? irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-arm |
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| 12:38.52 | LinkRage | how do I enter special unicode characters (like ® - R ) in the terminal (or vi) |
| 12:38.54 | sawyer_ | jelly, i'm there, thank you anyway :) |
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| 12:39.28 | jelly | and now I'm there too! |
| 12:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now you're not |
| 12:39.55 | voipzapper | wow. that was a whole lot of learning. dumb question: when i use aptitude to add the packages i want, it will ask me where i want to put them and then take care of all the paths and stuff? |
| 12:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 12:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a) no b) yes |
| 12:40.52 | abrotman | voipzapper: it doesn't ask you, the maintainer decides |
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| 12:41.25 | jelly | voipzapper: the paths are preset and fixed. /msg dpkg fhs |
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| 12:42.00 | jelly | voipzapper: there are also bits of debian policy and release notes that build upon and extend/change the FHS rules a bit |
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| 12:42.50 | voipzapper | CutMeOwnThroat, abrotman: the reason i was asking this is that i added and mounted the 2nd drive. i don't really care where anything is put, but how do i make sure of the space issues? if i add all the additional apps to the 2nd drive, everything will fit |
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| 12:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually by having a big-enough root partition |
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| 12:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | the system doesn't usually need more than... say 20GB, even if you install lots - in the age of TB drives, it's not hard to have 20GB of space on a single partition |
| 12:45.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and for most data you decide/configure yourself where it goes |
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| 12:46.13 | voipzapper | CutMeOwnThroat: minimalist system. have just enough space on the combined two drives for the os+the apps. is this where i should use lvm? |
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| 12:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | lvm is one solution, yes |
| 12:49.15 | voipzapper | CutMeOwnThroat: are there others? i've just been screwing around with this newly created machine and am going to do a wipe and install once (basically now) i have all the hardware working and screwed together. just use the lvm option during the install? |
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| 12:49.25 | kmonk | my desktop for you: http://tinypic.com/r/29bg42b/4 |
| 12:49.38 | abrotman | kmonk: please don't do that |
| 12:49.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess so... |
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| 12:50.22 | kmonk | ok |
| 12:50.56 | voipzapper | kmonk: neato. :-) |
| 12:51.17 | abrotman | kmonk: that's kind of what the -ot channel is for .. Thanks! |
| 12:51.30 | kmonk | right on brotman, soz. |
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| 12:53.13 | voipzapper | if lvm weren't an option, what other way would one have a single root partition that spanned two+ drives? or am i thinking in an obtuse way? |
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| 12:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can always mount /usr from a 2nd partition |
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| 12:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also raid0 in principle, but you should use lvm instead of that |
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| 12:58.23 | AlexC_ | when installing the 'quota' package, where in the docs does it say to add the 'agrpquota' and 'ausrquota' options to /etc/fstab? |
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| 13:02.18 | abrotman | did you read the docs? |
| 13:02.56 | AlexC_ | abrotman: I'm reading through the man pages for various quota relating comands, but nothing in there that I can see |
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| 13:03.23 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/quota/ ? |
| 13:03.23 | voipzapper | CutMeOwnThroat: i see. so, all the various packages want to be in their own specific place and in the root partition. definitely DOS type thinking on my part. |
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| 13:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | not at all... |
| 13:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fhs |
| 13:03.58 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
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| 13:05.54 | AlexC_ | abrotman: hum, see now it mentions usrquota and grpquota, but neither with the 'a' prefix. |
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| 13:12.02 | martianlobster | How can I find out which modules are loaded? |
| 13:12.14 | xx1 | lsmod |
| 13:12.19 | martianlobster | thanks |
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| 13:23.21 | pocket_ | Hello. |
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| 13:24.05 | pocket_ | Is there any application to use telecoupler on linux? |
| 13:25.29 | abrotman | a modem? |
| 13:26.02 | llutz | pocket_: minicom |
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| 13:28.18 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:29.03 | gypsymauro | I've installed debian on a dualboot machine there is a way to make grub to recognize other OS? |
| 13:29.28 | jelly | gypsymauro: if it's grub2, install os-prober |
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| 13:30.26 | gypsymauro | jelly: I've and it found ubuntu but I dunno hot to set lines on grub |
| 13:30.38 | pipeline | update-grub |
| 13:31.34 | jelly | what he said! |
| 13:31.38 | gypsymauro | tanx :) |
| 13:31.49 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:41.42 | Chaze | hi, can your recommend a SOCKS5 server? I've only found "dante-server" so far |
| 13:41.59 | thewanderer1 | Chaze: openssh-server |
| 13:42.38 | Chaze | you mean like using ssh -D ? |
| 13:42.43 | pocket_ | llutz: Thank you. |
| 13:42.58 | SlayerXP | Chaze: I use dante, it works. |
| 13:43.07 | thewanderer1 | also, Squid does support SOCKS5. |
| 13:43.18 | SlayerXP | Chaze: I have a howto for that, if you like |
| 13:43.19 | Chaze | SlayerXP: does it support user accounts? |
| 13:43.30 | Chaze | SlayerXP: sure, always nice |
| 13:43.31 | SlayerXP | Chaze: i think so |
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| 13:43.56 | SlayerXP | Chaze: http://hinterlands.org/wiki/index.php/AvoidingRestrictiveProxy |
| 13:44.45 | asaleem | I am installing lenny and the computer just restarts by itself while packages are being unpacked |
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| 13:45.01 | RobHu | Does anyone know how I can see what might have changed between Debian 5.0.4 and Debian 5.0.5 in the vague area of SSH/network connectivity daemons? |
| 13:46.28 | stew | RobHu: http://www.debian.org/security/2010/ <- the security patches that were released between january and june were added to 5.0.5 |
| 13:46.56 | stew | RobHu: they should be functionally the same, but with 5.0.5 having fewer security problems |
| 13:47.20 | asaleem | the mobo is Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 and hard drive is Sata2 |
| 13:47.26 | RobHu | Thank you stew |
| 13:47.34 | stew | asaleem: you might run memtest86 |
| 13:48.28 | asaleem | stew, I will do that |
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| 13:48.54 | lblume | How to restrict access to groups coming from a Windows domain, with spaces in their names? Both pam_access and pam_listfile seem somehow broken to me. What works on a CentOS fails on Debian. |
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| 13:52.03 | embrace | Hello, can anyone guide me to realize a SSH port forwarding? I need to reach a remote server with a *direct* ssh connection, but the server is reachable only via another remote server in ssh. |
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| 13:53.05 | nevyn | ssh -R localport:remoteserverip:remoteserverport serveryoucanreach |
| 13:53.18 | stew | embrace: you can't do "ssh user@intermediateserver ssh user@remoteserver"? |
| 13:53.20 | nevyn | or maybe -L |
| 13:53.29 | stew | perhaps with a -A |
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| 13:57.16 | homie | is quanta not in squeeze ? |
| 13:57.22 | homie | nor in backports ? |
| 13:57.30 | homie | or is it discontinued ? |
| 13:57.47 | homie | or why do i have to remove some other packages in order to get it installed ? |
| 13:58.01 | embrace | @nevyn thanks, I'm trying but I got Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 22 . Maybe I'm not setting the correct ports. Local port is the local port of the server I can reach or my own port? |
| 13:58.01 | alextfish | Hello. I'm the person with the query about Debian 5.0.4 vs 5.0.5 that RobHu was asking about a few minutes ago. |
| 13:58.06 | homie | and what has libcvsservice have to do with it ? |
| 13:58.27 | RobHu | alextfish: It was stew who was helpful |
| 13:58.58 | stew | judd: versions quanta |
| 13:59.00 | judd | quanta -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-3 |
| 13:59.12 | alextfish | I'm seeing some problems with the JSch library, in a way that fails on 5.0.5 but works on 5.0.4. It looks like the JSch connection is getting an EOF reading the SSH header on 5.0.5, but gets the data it expects on 5.0.4. |
| 13:59.34 | themill | !quanta |
| 13:59.34 | dpkg | [quanta] Quanta Plus is a web development environment for <KDE>. Does not exist in KDE Software Compilation 4.x (BTS #523551). http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/ #quanta on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:00.02 | alextfish | I'm not asking for massive investigations from anyone, but if anyone happens to know a difference between 5.0.4 and 5.0.5 that could conceivably be related, that'd be very helpful |
| 14:00.07 | stew | yeah, kwebdev is still in, but it dropped quanta at some point |
| 14:00.45 | stew | alextfish: what is JSch? |
| 14:01.09 | stew | ahh libjsch-java |
| 14:01.29 | alextfish | It's a Java library for SSH2 functionality like port forwarding |
| 14:02.25 | alextfish | It's certainly possible that the oddity I'm seeing is a bug in JSch, and I'm ready to contact the author there if that looks likely |
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| 14:02.55 | alextfish | But first I'm wanting to see if there are any notable differences between 5.04 and 5.0.5 in their SSH installations or suchlike |
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| 14:04.27 | stew | alextfish: they have the same version of ssh |
| 14:04.55 | alextfish | Mmm. Thanks. Thought that was probably the case, but wasn't sure how to check. Thanks. |
| 14:05.09 | stew | but perhaps a different version of openssl |
| 14:05.31 | alextfish | Both these boxes claim (when I do "ssh -vvv") to have OpenSSL 0.9.8g. |
| 14:05.51 | alextfish | I wasn't sure if that could be related to the SSH client rather than the daemon though |
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| 14:09.44 | stew | alextfish: yeah, but they'd perhaps be different versions of 0.9.8g |
| 14:09.52 | alextfish | Aha |
| 14:10.09 | alextfish | Excellent - that sounds promising. What would that mean, or how would I tell? |
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| 14:11.44 | themill | jsch doesn't use openssl on the client machine, however, and I'd be surprised if interoperability of openssl has changed on the point release. |
| 14:12.21 | AlexC_ | what is the difference between 'quotatools' and 'edquota'? |
| 14:12.22 | themill | ("apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8", fwiw) |
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| 14:14.53 | Chaze | just getting started with debian, got an install of lenny here. is it a good idea to add "squeeze" to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 14:15.28 | themill | Chaze: give it a while for you to get used to debian and for squeeze to settle down first. |
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| 14:15.42 | alextfish | themill: Yeah, I wouldn't exactly expect it to differ between 5.0.4 and 5.0.5 either. Just trying to figure out the cause of this oddness I'm seeing. |
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| 14:16.40 | alextfish | "apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8" says that one's got "0.9.8g-15+lenny6", and the other "0.9.8g-15+lenny7", which makes sense I guess. |
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| 14:17.54 | themill | alextfish: is the difference between versions on the client side or on the server side? |
| 14:18.40 | alextfish | Hmm. The same machine's been serving as both client and server (loopback), so could be either. I'll try cross-over and see what I get. |
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| 14:19.44 | themill | alextfish: double check that you're using the same jvm too. |
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| 14:20.11 | alextfish | I believe I am, but I'll check. Thanks. |
| 14:20.19 | stew | Chaze: but in general, no, its not a good idea to mix two different releases |
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| 14:21.50 | AlexC_ | when using 'quota -u foobar' - what format is the provided values in? |
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| 14:27.31 | gypsymauro | cat /proc/cpuinfo says that I've a penrium dual core E5300, what kind of architecture I've to use? IA64? |
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| 14:28.12 | AlexC_ | gypsymauro: you can install the 64bit version |
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| 14:28.43 | AlexC_ | gypsymauro: Google E5300, first link - read "Instruction Set" |
| 14:28.54 | llutz | gypsymauro: not ia64, which is itanium |
| 14:29.00 | stew | gypsymauro: not ia64 though, that is for itanium. you want either amd64 or i386 |
| 14:30.01 | gypsymauro | AlexC_: yes but the 64 bit is the amd64? there isn't a i64? :) |
| 14:30.16 | llutz | amd64 covers intel too |
| 14:31.18 | gypsymauro | doh |
| 14:31.21 | gypsymauro | ok tanx |
| 14:31.42 | gypsymauro | the abbrevation doesn't helps to understand :D |
| 14:32.04 | llutz | so true |
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| 14:34.23 | alextfish | As suspected, it's the server machine whose Debian version matters: JSch 0.1.43 can connect to a server running Deb5.0.4 but not 5.0.5. |
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| 14:36.32 | martianlobster | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.59 | jordanm | martianlobster: the nvidia installer is not supported here. use debian packages |
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| 14:38.02 | jordanm | !tell martianlobster about nvidia |
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| 14:39.50 | themill | alextfish: there's a newer version of jsch in debian sid that may or may not solve these problems. Unfortuantely, it looks like it's not particularly easy to backport the package as it is, but in this particular case, there's a very good chance that the sid package is directly installable without breaking things. (Note: you cannot in general cross-install packages like that, but this one looks like you can) |
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| 14:40.12 | martianlobster | it looks like cuda, isn't in the repository. I was trying to install cuda. Thanks for the pointer about #nvidia |
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| 14:40.39 | themill | ,versions libcuda1 |
| 14:40.41 | judd | libcuda1 -- sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4 |
| 14:41.12 | martianlobster | wierd, I did "apt-cache search cuda" and that didn't show up |
| 14:41.25 | alextfish | themill: Aha. Thank you. There are certain restrictions on what versions we can use, but I'll definitely see if we can get that one. Thank you very much! |
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| 14:42.44 | jordanm | martianlobster: it wouldn't if you are running stable, and I don't think that its a possible backport |
| 14:42.52 | jordanm | ,depends libcuda1 |
| 14:42.53 | AlexC_ | I have an /etc/shadow and an /etc/shadow- (note the last -), why is this? |
| 14:42.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libcuda1' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 14:42.59 | jordanm | ,depends libcuda1 --release sid |
| 14:43.00 | judd | libcuda1 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
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| 14:43.22 | martianlobster | hmmmm maybe I need to add another source in my repository list |
| 14:43.31 | jordanm | martianlobster: ah, I thought that it required to 195 glx driver, which is non backportable |
| 14:43.41 | jordanm | !tell martianlobster about ssb |
| 14:43.51 | jordanm | AlexC_: backup from a text editor? |
| 14:44.08 | jordanm | ah, I have one too so I suppose not |
| 14:44.42 | themill | you need to backport debhelper too |
| 14:44.45 | AlexC_ | jordanm: I've never noticed it before |
| 14:45.07 | AlexC_ | hum, my Arch install also has it ... strange, what is this file for? |
| 14:45.11 | martianlobster | could someone remind me, where I tell apt-get, to start looking in the non-free repositories? I can't remember that file name. It is under /etc somewhere. |
| 14:45.26 | AlexC_ | martianlobster: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:45.26 | peterS | martianlobster: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:45.29 | AlexC_ | wins |
| 14:45.30 | martianlobster | thanks :) |
| 14:45.39 | peterS | yeah, AlexC_, you win |
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| 14:46.17 | jordanm | !tell martianlobster about why aptitude |
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| 14:46.59 | broy | !tell broy about why aptitude |
| 14:46.59 | martianlobster | interesting |
| 14:47.07 | martianlobster | I don't think I have every used aptitude |
| 14:47.43 | jelly | broy: you can also use /msg dpkg foo to ask dpkg about foo in private |
| 14:48.39 | martianlobster | I think I need to add something new to my sources.list, so that I can get libcuda this is the line for my non free now: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free Does anyone know what repository I need to add to find libcuda? |
| 14:49.03 | Chaze | SlayerXP: do i need any iptables rules for dante? |
| 14:49.07 | AlexC_ | by default users have access to the 'dmesg' binary, is this wise letting them view the output? |
| 14:49.22 | jelly | martianlobster: judd above said it existed only in squeeze and unstable. |
| 14:49.38 | themill | martianlobster: as jordanm was saying, you'd need to recompile the sid packages to get that yourself. "/msg dpkg ssb" for a guide on how to do this |
| 14:50.06 | gypsymauro | llutz: but it comes from the kernel name? I mean, there is not a way to adjust the nomenclature? :) filling a bug? |
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| 14:51.35 | themill | gypsymauro: there is no way that "amd64" is going to be renamed in debian at this stage. |
| 14:51.52 | jelly | gypsymauro: amd shot first |
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| 14:52.33 | martianlobster | I just paged up, and judd also said he found it in leny: " judd: Sorry, no package named 'libcuda1' was found in lenny/i386" |
| 14:52.39 | jelly | !tell gypsymauro about why amd64 |
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| 14:52.47 | martianlobster | judd, are you here? |
| 14:52.57 | jelly | martianlobster: "No package ... was found" |
| 14:52.58 | themill | martianlobster: judd's a bot |
| 14:53.08 | martianlobster | oh |
| 14:53.10 | martianlobster | lol |
| 14:53.14 | martianlobster | ha, talking to the bot again |
| 14:53.19 | martianlobster | I tend to do that |
| 14:53.24 | themill | 3rd sign of madness |
| 14:53.41 | jelly | themill: make judd say "no, package was found!" in the other case |
| 14:53.51 | martianlobster | lol I need a break |
| 14:53.52 | martianlobster | ttyl |
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| 14:58.01 | zealiod | I have a debian server that lost power, and requires root to manually enter in a password before cleaning up hard disk errors... the error is "Root filesystem stuck in "read only" mode." - how can I set grub or something to mount sda1 as rw... I tried changing the grub entry from ro to rw... but no joy... this process needs to automated as this unit is usually installed without screen and keyboard... |
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| 14:59.17 | thewanderer1 | zealiod: get a UPS |
| 14:59.25 | rozie | zealiod: run from some kind of liveCD, fsck partition |
| 14:59.41 | zealiod | hmm |
| 14:59.45 | alcohol | what is /var/lock ? |
| 14:59.51 | zealiod | can the drive not be mounted as rw? |
| 15:00.13 | thewanderer1 | zealiod: it can, but Linux's init scripts override it when they detect errors |
| 15:00.19 | rozie | zealiod: yes, if has problems with partition |
| 15:00.31 | rozie | and it's not the drive, it's FS on partition |
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| 15:00.45 | cusco | hi |
| 15:00.50 | zealiod | ok. how can this be overcome without any keyboard intereaction? |
| 15:00.53 | thewanderer1 | zealiod: specifically, the option responsible for this is "errors=remount-ro" in /etc/fstab |
| 15:00.59 | cusco | I just installed postgresql server and cannot create a db with UNICODE |
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| 15:01.14 | rozie | zealiod: you can have liveCD with ssh and assigned IP ;) |
| 15:01.23 | zealiod | rozie: thats not an option |
| 15:01.29 | rozie | yes it is... |
| 15:01.31 | ZNC-Titan | is it possible, to use debian to block websites, with only one ethernet cable? |
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| 15:01.36 | cusco | createdb: database creation failed: ERROR: encoding UTF8 does not match server's locale en_US |
| 15:01.45 | rozie | ZNC-Titan: yes |
| 15:01.52 | alcohol | what is /var/lock ? |
| 15:01.56 | thewanderer1 | ZNC-Titan: everything is possible, depends on your network setup only |
| 15:01.58 | zealiod | rozie: the device is a small unit with no CD drive, and it's over kill to get a USB stick or USB CDROM on this... |
| 15:02.13 | rozie | zealiod: pxe? |
| 15:02.27 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: it contains lockfiles for daemons |
| 15:02.28 | ZNC-Titan | ok, so what do I need to do? |
| 15:02.45 | alcohol | thewanderer1: oh right, that makes sense. my bad :< |
| 15:02.51 | zealiod | thewanderer1: is it safe for me just to remound as rw? |
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| 15:03.01 | rozie | zealiod: what I want to say: I don't really care what you do, you should fsck partition and get rid of errors in FS |
| 15:03.03 | thewanderer1 | zealiod: usually it will fail |
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| 15:03.27 | rozie | zealiod: make sure you have backup before you force RW on this |
| 15:03.30 | ZNC-Titan | feel free to PM me. ;) |
| 15:03.34 | zealiod | rozie: sure, if that can be done with no keyboard interaction, that would be great |
| 15:03.42 | thewanderer1 | zealiod: I think that if you have such strict requirements, you should get yourself an SSH server in initrd |
| 15:03.55 | thewanderer1 | zealiod: then there is keyboard interacton, only remote :P |
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| 15:04.23 | rozie | zealiod: well, liveUSB with SSH and so on is not a big work, comparing to recovering FS |
| 15:04.27 | rozie | IMHO ofc |
| 15:04.50 | thewanderer1 | ZNC-Titan: tell your router to DNAT all outgoing HTTP traffic to your proxy, but make an exception to allow all outgoing data from the proxy to the net |
| 15:05.01 | zealiod | thewanderer1: so I just get ssh to start before check disk? |
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| 15:05.38 | ZNC-Titan | ah ok |
| 15:05.45 | rozie | bbl |
| 15:05.57 | ZNC-Titan | cya |
| 15:06.01 | thewanderer1 | zealiod: if you need it, yes. but you should probably think about just automating fsck. |
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| 15:07.02 | thewanderer1 | zealiod: you can modify an initscript to reboot automatically if fsck returns an error code |
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| 15:07.12 | zealiod | thewanderer1: currently fsck is configured to run every 90 days or 20 reboots... but the hard disk issue kocked in after a power outage |
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| 15:07.43 | zealiod | thewanderer1: reboot into root rw mode to fix it itself? |
| 15:08.20 | thewanderer1 | not really, a read-write mode actually will not allow it to fix |
| 15:08.23 | jelly | thewanderer1: fsck does the automatic reboot by default, doesn't it? |
| 15:08.49 | thewanderer1 | jelly, I am not sure it does, last time I had to reboot my machine by hand |
| 15:09.42 | jelly | I think it does if it needed no user interaction |
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| 15:10.56 | thewanderer1 | hm, probably |
| 15:11.04 | thewanderer1 | so SSH is one solution |
| 15:11.15 | `oi | eh what is the best distro on the earth and.. on the moon? |
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| 15:11.48 | LoRez | `oi: don't cross paste like that. |
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| 15:24.26 | zealiod | so is there a way to get fsck to do this automatically with out wither ssh or terminal access? |
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| 15:24.43 | alcohol | is there a log that contains a list of all packages that were installed manaully through aptitude? |
| 15:24.51 | alcohol | manually |
| 15:25.11 | stew | alcohol: what do you mean by manually? |
| 15:25.17 | alcohol | aptitude install package |
| 15:25.39 | nasofe | May I ask how to get old package for debian? |
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| 15:25.40 | stew | aptitude search '!~M' |
| 15:25.42 | alcohol | e.g., by a user, not by the system installation script |
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| 15:26.31 | alcohol | yikes that gives me a -very- long list. I imagine this includes all required libraries and such which were not specifically installed by the user but required by packages? |
| 15:26.31 | nasofe | I know I can get some from snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:26.33 | stew | nasofe: http://snapshot.debian.org |
| 15:26.44 | BurdWork | Debian Lenny, HAL is constantly polling tape drive and filling logs with huge traces due to error.. tried disabling it for the device yet hal-addon-storage continues to run.. I cannot even kill -9 hal-addon-storage |
| 15:27.01 | stew | nasofe: snapshot.debian.net is outdated and unmaintained, use snapshot.debian.org |
| 15:27.19 | nasofe | stew, Thanz |
| 15:27.27 | themill | alcohol: packages installed by the installer itself are included as "manually installed". Packages you installed using apt-get in releases prior to lenny will also be included as manually installed. |
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| 15:28.19 | stew | alcohol: when something is installed to satisfy a dependency (but not specifically requested by the user) they are marked as "auto-installed", the other are considereed manual installed |
| 15:28.32 | alcohol | themill: nah was lenny from the start |
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| 15:29.14 | alcohol | so shouldn't it be packages matching i but not A ? |
| 15:29.22 | alcohol | what is '!~M' then? |
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| 15:29.29 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 15:29.38 | themill | alcohol: /msg dpkg aptitude search ; ~M is automatically installed. |
| 15:29.46 | nasofe | stew, I can find what I need,thanks for help |
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| 15:30.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub hates me... "error 16".... again |
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| 15:32.01 | alcohol | I wanted '~i !~M' |
| 15:32.02 | alcohol | :> |
| 15:32.07 | alcohol | thanks guys |
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| 15:32.32 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: 16 ? coulb be a sweet rumour ;) |
| 15:33.13 | themill | alcohol: err, yes. That would be more like it. (stew hasn't been around for a while... he's clearly rusty in his aptitude fu!) |
| 15:33.51 | stew | i'll rusty in YOUR aptitude fu |
| 15:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, google says it's "filesystem inconsistent" ... well, fsck says it's not |
| 15:34.02 | themill | ouch! |
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| 15:35.50 | jelly | does your grub support your filesystem at all? |
| 15:35.50 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: i fixed my porbs with fsck by pulling and pushing hd wires , no more files corruption , so far ... |
| 15:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said... fsck says it's fine |
| 15:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... |
| 15:37.14 | jelly | you didn't state which grub version it was and which fs it was |
| 15:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub 1... this is the cloned lenny |
| 15:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't tell you what fs |
| 15:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you would laugh! |
| 15:37.45 | jelly | reiserfs! |
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| 15:37.58 | jelly | !PAL CutMeOwnThroat |
| 15:37.58 | dpkg | points at CutMeOwnThroat and laughs uproariously |
| 15:38.08 | fxiny | is well worth a laugh :P |
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| 15:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 15:38.30 | jelly | I wonder if dpkg has a Serves You Right |
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| 15:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if I hit some can't-be-too-far-from-begin-of-disk limit |
| 15:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | this was my backup disk for /home for a long time, then I also copied the system onto it |
| 15:39.34 | fxiny | cylinder limit , again ? |
| 15:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder... |
| 15:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that limit still exist? |
| 15:40.30 | alfons | NICK <inclusa> |
| 15:40.37 | fxiny | lba should have killed it |
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| 15:40.47 | alfons | Hello |
| 15:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 15:41.17 | fxiny | i managed to install freebsd and woody in a small hd with such a f* limit |
| 15:41.22 | fxiny | a nightmare |
| 15:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... perhaps I just do a fresh install on a separate disk then copy packagelist and custom installed stuff over |
| 15:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see I'm getting to the ground of this |
| 15:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | annoying to try something, then reboot, see the same thing, boot into a cd again, ... |
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| 15:42.23 | mama | hello |
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| 15:42.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be some karma thing.... |
| 15:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | penalty for not running windows and not booting at all for years |
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| 15:43.01 | sponzor | how to enable ping for an ip adress that i want? in iptables... ? my fw is that all ping etc are droped.. i only want that my server can be pinged from one ip adress.. |
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| 15:44.18 | Fandekasp | hi |
| 15:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | why drop pings in the first place???? |
| 15:44.47 | fxiny | exactly |
| 15:44.52 | jacekowski | it's lame |
| 15:45.01 | jacekowski | and it doesn't conform to rfc |
| 15:45.10 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: you cut the words from my tongue :P |
| 15:45.11 | jacekowski | only case when i can justify dropping any icmp packets |
| 15:45.13 | petemc | sponzor: blocking icmp is silly, but - iptables -A INPUT -p icmp -s 1.2.3.4 -j ACCEPT may work |
| 15:45.20 | Fandekasp | in ubuntu, to install a package with root grant, I do "sudo aptitude install ...", but in debian I have a "sudo: command not found". Should I install sudo or there is another way to install packages with sudo grant ? |
| 15:45.30 | jacekowski | is embedded system which don't have enough processing power to deal with them |
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| 15:45.58 | petemc | Fandekasp: install sudo and configure who can use it with visudo |
| 15:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fandekasp, you can install and configure sudo... or just run "su" and you'll be in a root shell |
| 15:46.11 | Fandekasp | ok thank you :) |
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| 15:50.19 | sponzor | petemc: tnx i cant find icmp drop line in iptables.. :P |
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| 15:52.47 | stew | sponzor: is it dropped by the default policy? |
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| 15:53.02 | Gui_0 | hello |
| 15:53.17 | Gui_0 | what would be the easiest way to get debian on a pen drive? |
| 15:53.21 | Gui_0 | i am currently on windows 7 |
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| 15:53.48 | Gui_0 | i tried using a minimal CD install CD with unetbootin, but it told me bootmgr was missing |
| 15:54.12 | jacekowski | simplest |
| 15:54.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean get the install-image on the stick? |
| 15:54.17 | thewanderer1 | unetbootin is the easiest way, works for me on Debian... |
| 15:54.17 | Gui_0 | yes |
| 15:54.21 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 15:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kmuto |
| 15:54.22 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 15:54.32 | Gui_0 | thewanderer1, do you use teh full install CD? |
| 15:54.39 | thewanderer1 | Gui_0: if you want to install from the USB drive, see the debian installation manual |
| 15:54.43 | thewanderer1 | Gui_0: no, I don't |
| 15:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are images there with newer kernels - also some that are ready-made for usb |
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| 15:54.47 | Gui_0 | thewanderer1, i tried with the minimal one, maybe that would make a difference |
| 15:55.14 | thewanderer1 | Gui_0: do you want to just install Debian on a pendrive just like on a disk or what? |
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| 15:55.43 | Gui_0 | thewanderer1, no, i want to boot the install image from teh pen drive, not actually install it to teh pen drive |
| 15:56.06 | Gui_0 | i'm not sure how to proceed with the "Tiny CDs, USB sticks, etc" from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall as I'm on windows |
| 15:56.25 | thewanderer1 | they have steps for Windows, too |
| 15:56.43 | Gui_0 | thewanderer1, would you happen to have a lunk? i can't find it :/ |
| 15:56.50 | jordanm | !tell Gui_0 about usb install |
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| 15:57.21 | Gui_0 | thanks, i'll read that :) |
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| 15:58.00 | thewanderer1 | Gui_0: Debian Installation Manual has everything you need besides the small notice that "rawrite" on Windows can do what "dd" does for you usually |
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| 15:59.47 | wooden | how can i force two usb drives to always get the same device names at boot? right now they randomly get sdb and sdc between them. |
| 16:00.06 | SpaceDoG | Hey guys I'm having a slight situation. I'm attempting to install a C app that requires the python development headers. I've done apt-get install python-dev (it also installed python and python2.5) but for some reason I'm having to mod the .c files to manually add the path for Python.h and structmember.h. Any thoughts? |
| 16:00.14 | thewanderer1 | wooden: by udev rules - read a tutorial on writing your own rules |
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| 16:00.32 | Gui_0 | rebooting, bbiab |
| 16:01.29 | SpaceDoG | disregard |
| 16:01.31 | SpaceDoG | app problem |
| 16:01.55 | wooden | thewanderer1: thank you |
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| 16:02.09 | adac | On which port does tomcat run in the standard installation? |
| 16:03.11 | ans | does any audio player with support for ogg files also fully support its ability to have multiple genre tags? |
| 16:03.28 | ans | so in a library a single track can be found all the different genres it is tagged with, when browsing by genre |
| 16:03.34 | ans | i was unable to find any |
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| 16:03.43 | sponzor | http://pastebin.com/i1YDqGet this isnt working for me. i get error http://pastebin.com/PiXycWXQ |
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| 16:08.01 | BurdWork | I have apcupsd running on a small battery unit. It showed 60 minutes time for months then like a week or two ago overnight it went from 60+ to 3.5 minutes.. Just seems to me like that is a big change over night.. anything I could check to see if something is amis in configuration maybe? Lenny |
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| 16:11.17 | mactimes | Hello. Could someone, please, tell me how I can force changes in the NIC identifier? I mean, I just replaced a NIC from a server, which was previously identified as eth1. I installed a NIC in the same slot, but now the interface is identified by eth2. In order for me not to have to change all the firewall configuration I'd like to force the new interface to be identified as eth1. Any ideas? |
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| 16:12.53 | thewanderer1 | mactimes: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 16:13.10 | thewanderer1 | mactimes: remove the old card's entry and change eth2 to eth1 for your new card |
| 16:13.10 | mactimes | thewanderer1: Thanks |
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| 16:13.26 | mactimes | thewanderer1: Thank you very much! =) |
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| 16:17.24 | mactimes | thewanderer1: I'm rebooting the server anyway, but do changes apply immediatelly? Is there any command to apply the changes or I'd have to reboot anyways? |
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| 16:19.01 | greycat | Is "edit /etc/dhclient.conf and remove the comments in front of request subnet-mask, domain-name-server, etc. and then remove the words domain-name-servers etc. that you DO NOT WANT the thing to use" a sane and functional approach to preventing DHCP from clobbering resolv.conf on a box that's mostly-etch? |
| 16:19.31 | greycat | The wiki & bot only have instructions for lenny, unfortunately. |
| 16:19.34 | sponzor | mactimes init.d |
| 16:20.49 | adac | is there a tomcat6 package in lenny? |
| 16:21.05 | jelly | ,versions tomcat6 |
| 16:21.06 | judd | tomcat6 -- squeeze: 6.0.28-1; sid: 6.0.28-4 |
| 16:21.10 | jelly | adac: "no" |
| 16:21.53 | adac | jelly, http://www.waltercedric.com/component/content/article/1634.html this a good howto then? |
| 16:21.59 | greycat | Nobody knows. Right. I guess I'll find out tomorrow, if the guy comes to me and says he can't login again. |
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| 16:22.41 | jelly | adac: sorry, I can't possibly comment. Our tomcats are a) 5.5 and b) straight from upstream tarballs |
| 16:23.04 | adac | jelly, well 5.5 makes big trouble... :/ |
| 16:23.20 | adac | its ok I just try it out |
| 16:23.45 | jelly | adac: whatever you do, _don't_ install packages from squeeze or unstable on a lenny system |
| 16:24.03 | themill | greycat: "/msg dpkg override dns" is all that's required. (i.e. all you need to do is add "supersede domain-name-servers", there's no need to touch the rest of the config. |
| 16:24.26 | tharkun | Good evening, i have apt-cacher-ng installed and i get this http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny Release.gpg [ERROR] Conection failed. If i don't use the cacher everything works fine. It has been two days witht this error. Any ideas on why it is not working ? |
| 16:24.29 | adac | jelly ;) |
| 16:24.31 | adac | hehehe |
| 16:24.36 | greycat | themill: but on this mostly-etch box, the file is in a different place, and it was (nearly) all comments. Very different-looking compared to lenny. |
| 16:24.40 | themill | greycat: config files have moved around between etch and squeeze (which I noticed you updated that factoid for the other day) but other than that, it's pretty much the same package. |
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| 16:25.29 | greycat | I'm not fond of duplicating the DNS server IP addresses in some file that isn't resolv.conf, because then I have to track it down a few years later when things change, and if it's not where I expect it to be, I'll miss it. |
| 16:25.36 | jelly | I thought dhclient worked with resolvconf these days, not with /etc/resolv.conf directly? |
| 16:25.36 | greycat | I'd much rather just have resolv.conf not be touched. |
| 16:25.49 | greycat | jelly: there's nothing "these days" about this mostly-etch box. |
| 16:25.53 | jelly | !fix resolv.conf the ugly way |
| 16:25.53 | dpkg | takes resolv.conf the ugly way to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 16:25.55 | themill | greycat: umm.. you're not duplicating it in resolv.conf. |
| 16:26.06 | themill | greycat: if it's "mostly comments under etch" and not under lenny, then I have a dhclient.conf here from etch on my lenny machine here |
| 16:26.09 | jelly | greycat: well, the ugly way is chattr +i |
| 16:26.15 | greycat | and yes, I know about chattr +i but I don't like that one either. |
| 16:26.21 | jelly | you wouldn't |
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| 16:26.37 | jelly | sometimes we do what we have to |
| 16:27.00 | greycat | well, I'll find out if "uncomment the request lines and then modify them" works or not... |
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| 16:28.12 | themill | greycat: I have "request domain-name-servers" here in my lenny installation and that works just fine for setting up resolv.conf for me. Presuming of course the dhcp server is sane... |
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| 16:29.07 | jelly | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/83926/ # but this wasn't used in years |
| 16:29.08 | greycat | themill: Right, I know how to do it on Lenny. I think. The lenny file has four lines worth of tags on a NON-commented "request" line. The half-way-to-etch one has two lines' worth of tags on a commented-out request line, and the file's in a different place, and I hope it's the RIGHT place. |
| 16:29.45 | tharkun | greycat: I think your best aproach is man 5 dhclient.conf you can allways use the supersede option but then as you mentioned things can get ugly |
| 16:29.47 | themill | greycat: my point is that this is the same configuration file in the same place from when this box ran etch |
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| 16:30.42 | jelly | huh, mtime 2009-05-28. |
| 16:31.07 | greycat | The man page didn't tell me where dhclient.conf was supposed to be located, which made me sad. |
| 16:31.14 | greycat | So I hope it reads the one in /etc. |
| 16:31.49 | jelly | /etc/dhcp3 for dhclient3 |
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| 16:32.12 | greycat | dhcp-client 2.0pl5-19.5etch2 |
| 16:32.15 | themill | greycat: man dhclient says which one it reads (and man dhclient.conf would not necessarily say - that's only a file format not a location and you can override the location with various options) |
| 16:32.16 | tharkun | greycat: /etc/dhcp3/ since etch afaik |
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| 16:32.59 | jelly | and in squeeze it'll go back to /etc/dhcp! Fun! |
| 16:33.05 | jelly | /o\ |
| 16:33.09 | themill | tharkun: "man dhclient" in etch says otherwise, but we'll find out from greycat tomorrow which it is... |
| 16:33.32 | jelly | themill: I predict /etc/dhcp5 in not too far future |
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| 16:33.47 | greycat | "man 5 passwd" tells me where the passwd file is. I expected "man dhclient.conf" to tell me where THAT file was. |
| 16:33.50 | themill | we haven't even got isc dhcp 4 working properly yet do we? |
| 16:33.52 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 16:33.59 | tharkun | themill: Sorry i though this machine was still in etch :-) it is now lenny |
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| 16:34.29 | jelly | when I see some design choices of ISC, it doesn't surprise me DJB went and reimplemented everything |
| 16:34.31 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, had to restart konversation, it wouldn't reconnect after hibernating. |
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| 16:35.03 | Peacimowen | In my last update/upgrade, openoffice seems to have uninstalled itself and I cannot reinstall it as all the java dependencies are missing... |
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| 16:35.07 | themill | greycat: there aren't too many programs where you can change where you'd change passwd, but dhclient has a -cf option. |
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| 16:35.36 | greycat | "man interfaces" tells me it's /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:36.14 | jhutchins_lt | Peacimowen: Which release? |
| 16:36.36 | jelly | greycat: that page was written by someone in debian! |
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| 16:36.50 | Peacimowen | squeeze |
| 16:37.00 | jhutchins_lt | Peacimowen: There you go, expected behavior. |
| 16:38.15 | greycat | Argh, damn it, the dhclient process is still showing Aug 12 in ps. |
| 16:38.31 | greycat | is "ifdown eth0; sleep 2; ifup eth0" not the right way to restart that? |
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| 16:40.03 | jelly | greycat: insert a pkill dhclient in there :-( |
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| 16:40.41 | jelly | if often(?) stays alive when it reall shouldn't |
| 16:41.36 | greycat | Oh... haha... this time when I killed it, it didn't come back up. It turns out I've already changed /etc/network/interfaces from dhcp to static. But the dhclient was still running despite that (due to failing to die last time I tried the ifdown/ifup dance.) |
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| 16:42.17 | greycat | So, at some point, dhclient kicked in and nuked my resolv.conf file even though I was running a theoretically static IP address. |
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| 16:42.20 | greycat | Fun. |
| 16:42.40 | greycat | I really, really hate the networking department here sometimes. |
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| 16:43.35 | themill | greycat: ifupdown doesn't understand that you changed from dhcp to static (it would be nice if it did...) so it doesn't know it was supposed to kill dhclient. dhclient doesn't know anything about /e/n/interfaces, so it doesn't know that it's not supposed to be still doing its thing. End result == fun. |
| 16:44.52 | Peacimowen | or fail |
| 16:45.40 | greycat | So we'll never know whether editing /etc/dhclient.conf on a partly-sarge-mostly-etch box in the way I edited it would have fixed it. |
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| 16:47.14 | jelly | this will all be fixed when ifupdown switches to iproute2! |
| 16:47.19 | jelly | (no it won't) |
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| 16:50.22 | HackeMate | hello |
| 16:50.29 | HackeMate | i want to extract an iso to an usb |
| 16:50.57 | HackeMate | normally i open the iso and extract to usb, but i dont see all files |
| 16:51.00 | greycat | mount it loopback, then do a recursive file copy |
| 16:51.00 | HackeMate | is a strange iso |
| 16:51.09 | HackeMate | aha |
| 16:51.12 | R1ck | man dd |
| 16:51.17 | HackeMate | ok i will google it, thanks |
| 16:51.21 | HackeMate | thansk R1ck |
| 16:51.28 | zealiod | ahhhgh - got cut off. |
| 16:52.13 | zealiod | so is there a way to get fsck to do this automatically with out the root password or ssh or terminal access? |
| 16:52.13 | greycat | dd wouldn't extract the files from the image. it would duplicate the image itself. |
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| 16:52.24 | greycat | which may or may not be what you want.... |
| 16:53.26 | greycat | zealiod: to do what automatically? |
| 16:53.43 | zealiod | greycat: fsck |
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| 16:53.59 | jelly | HackeMate: btw, that usb won't be bootable unless you make it |
| 16:54.06 | greycat | you mean automatically answer "y" to anything fsck asks? |
| 16:54.17 | HackeMate | i know jelly, i have that part solved |
| 16:54.19 | greycat | or you mean "to kick on an fsck even when the file system is clean"? |
| 16:54.26 | greycat | s/on/off/ |
| 16:54.47 | zealiod | greycat: yes as part of the automated fisk check... but it also asks for the root password to mount /dev/sda1 in something other thatn read-only mode |
| 16:54.56 | zealiod | greycat: i'd just like it to get on with it |
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| 16:55.06 | jelly | zealiod: /etc/default/rcS, FSCKFIX |
| 16:55.13 | greycat | zealiod: For the first part (say "y") read /etc/default/rcS |
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| 16:55.40 | greycat | If there's some OTHER issue that is causing your file system not to be mounted, you'll have to identify what that issue is. |
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| 16:58.21 | zealiod | jelly: this looks like a very interesting file - gonna have a read of the man |
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| 17:00.15 | jelly | it's probably the most important config file on the system, and somehow it doesn't even have its own factoid |
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| 17:00.29 | jelly | dpkg: listvals /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:00.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of '/etc/default/rcS' by value (3): concurrent boot ;; set time ;; utc. |
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| 17:01.19 | Computer | my / partition is only 255M is that normal |
| 17:01.42 | greycat | It used to be normal. Then Linux kernel image packages swelled up to monstrous sizes. |
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| 17:01.47 | Gui_0 | hello |
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| 17:02.04 | jelly | Computer: if you have separate /usr, /var, and perhaps /tmp, it might be just enough |
| 17:02.06 | Gui_0 | i've managed to get the netinst install cd onto my usb pen drive with unetbootin |
| 17:02.11 | Gui_0 | i got the menu, booted fne |
| 17:02.17 | abrotman | that's not the right way ... |
| 17:02.21 | Computer | jelly: i do, but the /lib directory is not separate and it has filled the partition |
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| 17:02.26 | Gui_0 | chose my language, keyboard layout, region, etc |
| 17:02.45 | abrotman | and it can't find the ISO? |
| 17:02.45 | jelly | Computer: aye, /lib cannot be separate |
| 17:02.49 | Computer | i see. i added the virtualbox repository which installs a newer kernel. |
| 17:02.53 | greycat | Computer: see if you can remove some unused kernel image packages |
| 17:03.06 | greycat | kernel images put their modules in /lib/modules/ |
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| 17:03.21 | jelly | and debian builds all the modules it can |
| 17:03.25 | Gui_0 | but then it told me it couldn't find my installation CD - which I was using - then I somehow skipped to the menu, and got into something to detect my internet connection. it said it couldn't detect my internet connection, although I'm using a simple ethernet card with no special configs |
| 17:03.33 | abrotman | !tell Gui_0 about usb install |
| 17:03.53 | Gui_0 | abrotman, i've read that already |
| 17:04.12 | abrotman | so why did you use unetbootin? |
| 17:04.47 | Gui_0 | it was simpler nd i was told a while ago here it should/would work |
| 17:04.49 | Gui_0 | *and |
| 17:04.52 | jelly | when people read official procedure and often still use an alternate method, it might be a sign the official procedure is... not streamlined |
| 17:05.33 | Gui_0 | plus i am on windows so many of those commands are different/don't exist/ i don't know them |
| 17:05.40 | jelly | yes, it's too complex for a person that just wants to try Debian out |
| 17:05.40 | greycat | Writing good end-user documentation is HARD. |
| 17:05.45 | abrotman | not sure who told you that .. but unetbootin does not work very well .. supposedly if you sacrifice a cow and three llamas, it can be done |
| 17:06.01 | Gui_0 | jelly, i intend on moving to debian from ubuntu :) |
| 17:06.14 | jelly | greycat: it's fucking needlessly complex, why not provide a 512MB USB image and be done with it |
| 17:06.23 | Gui_0 | well it *did* manage to boot into the text-baed, coloured debian installer |
| 17:06.34 | greycat | That may also be true. I know nothing about the USB installion at all. |
| 17:06.36 | abrotman | that's what it does .. and then it can rarely find the ISO |
| 17:06.44 | Computer | greycat: i can just rm these directories? |
| 17:06.54 | Computer | of the older linux images |
| 17:06.58 | acu | I run debian squeeze amd64 with qem-kvm and virtual manager - I have several VMachines running - all debian - and everything worked fine - suddenly I cannot install a new machine - it goes through installation to certain steps - but fails always before complete (it actually freezes) - at different stages of installs it freezes - does anyone know about it - where can I see |
| 17:06.59 | greycat | Computer: no, use the package manager. |
| 17:07.10 | Gui_0 | does it get an internal IP via dhcp automatically? and why does it even ask me for a CD? |
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| 17:07.13 | greycat | Computer: aptitude or dpkg or whatever you prefer |
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| 17:07.44 | jelly | Computer: it's cleaner to remove the packages (using aptitude, apt-get or dpkg). If apt is currently in a mess, use dpkg |
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| 17:08.32 | greycat | If you need some space in / *right away*, then removing a directory or two under /lib/modules is OK if you then go ahead and remove the package later. And as long as you're quite sure it's not a directory you're using. |
| 17:08.34 | Gui_0 | perhaps if i use the "normal" CD instead of netinst? :( |
| 17:08.46 | jelly | Computer: eg. if there's a directory called 2.6.26-1-486 in /lib/modules, and your current "uname -r" output ISN'T SAME, you can dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 17:09.01 | Computer | ah, thanks jelly |
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| 17:10.04 | jelly | Computer: don't delete files for the kernel that's running at present (uname -r) |
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| 17:11.43 | rudi_s | Hi. Is there anything wrong with http://security-tracker.debian.net/ ? |
| 17:12.21 | Gui_0 | rudi_s, the domain doesn't exist? |
| 17:12.48 | Gui_0 | try .org ;) |
| 17:13.04 | Gui_0 | http://security-tracker.debian.org |
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| 17:13.17 | rudi_s | Gui_0: Nice, thanks. .net worked fine in the past. |
| 17:13.31 | pallgone | ehm, anyone can help me to make a wacom tablet work in squeeze? do I need to define something in xorg.conf? |
| 17:13.45 | pallgone | it's a toshiba m200 |
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| 17:13.57 | dj_una | How do i add 2 new IPs to my iptables permantly? |
| 17:14.03 | dj_una | (stay on reboot) |
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| 17:14.43 | petemc | dj_una: how do your iptables rules get run at the minute? |
| 17:16.01 | dj_una | petemc default :-P |
| 17:16.18 | abrotman | there is no default method |
| 17:16.49 | dj_una | mkay, how do i check then? it's a brand new debby installed |
| 17:16.54 | dj_una | im coming from gentoo :-) |
| 17:17.08 | jelly | !iptables |
| 17:17.08 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 17:17.44 | dj_una | my rules is like in the example on: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 17:18.06 | dj_una | (im working at ssh, so i dont wanna lock my self out) |
| 17:19.20 | jhutchins_lt | dj_una: I think this howto has a script that will reload the previous tables if you don't connect within a time limit: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 17:19.38 | jhutchins_lt | dj_una: If it's not there, try here: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 17:19.44 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: it already showed him how |
| 17:19.55 | abrotman | he doesn't know how to add more |
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| 17:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | Well, either of those would help then. |
| 17:27.37 | dj_una | how do i color up my console, like gentoo is |
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| 17:30.26 | jhutchins_lt | dj_una: Have a look in your .bash_profile |
| 17:31.57 | dj_una | jhujhiti i only got: /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/adduser.local.conf.examples/skel/dot.bash_profile |
| 17:32.00 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:32.43 | greycat | dj_una: most of the colors probably come from ls, when it's displaying files, right? See "man ls" for how to make it colorful. |
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| 17:33.39 | themill | greycat: some distros go all out on the bash prompt ascii-art in multi colours zomg-my-eyes-the-goggles-they-do-nothing routine |
| 17:33.59 | greycat | ah, right, colorized prompts.... |
| 17:34.10 | dj_una | lol |
| 17:34.12 | greycat | search google for examples of color bash prompt (PS1 variable) |
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| 17:34.14 | dj_una | do i need to relog afterwards? |
| 17:34.38 | greycat | that's generally the easiest way to pick up changes to your .bash* files |
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| 17:35.13 | greycat | should have some examples of colors in PS1 somewhere on his own site |
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| 17:35.36 | greycat | dj_una: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/037 |
| 17:36.08 | norbert_ | hi, I'm running # nice -n -20 time <command> |
| 17:36.24 | norbert_ | and I get - for example 0.06user 0.03system 0:02.34elapsed |
| 17:36.33 | norbert_ | but also 0.05user 0.04system 0:02.36elapsed |
| 17:36.53 | norbert_ | if I want these times to be exactly the same, I should recompile the kernel with some kind of time patch, right? |
| 17:37.02 | norbert_ | and probably have a fast pc? |
| 17:37.11 | greycat | nice doesn't change the amount of CPU a process requires to get its job done. it just changes the priority with which it grabs the CPU when others also want it. |
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| 17:38.14 | themill | norbert_: they will never be exactly the same, even with the real-time patches. They make the times various small operations deterministic, but not long things like that |
| 17:38.23 | greycat | norbert_: you're trying to fudge a benchmark? or what? why would you need two consecutive runs of some secret job to show *exactly* the same timing values? |
| 17:38.34 | norbert_ | ok |
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| 17:39.07 | norbert_ | I created a script that uses xdotool to run me through an Everybody edits (= game) track |
| 17:39.35 | greycat | ah, XyProblem. of course. |
| 17:39.40 | norbert_ | (and to pause between keystrokes/down/up: perl -e 'select(undef,undef,undef,x);') |
| 17:39.50 | ScottG | How do I start X with a single program? |
| 17:40.23 | greycat | ScottG: startx /path/to/program # I think |
| 17:40.47 | greycat | and yes, you really DO have to supply a path. if you don't, startx doesn't treat it as a program. this is for some stupid legacy/compatibility purpose. |
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| 17:41.40 | norbert_ | greycat: okay, what I want is to use a script to play a Flash game; I need to send keystrokes (or keyup/down) to the application and the timing needs to have millisecond precision |
| 17:42.05 | greycat | Yes, it sounds like you want some sort of "real-time" stuff, about which I know almost nothing. |
| 17:42.12 | norbert_ | ok |
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| 17:43.37 | themill | millisecond precision? good luck. (both as a human player and scripting that) |
| 17:43.58 | norbert_ | as a human it's basically trial and error |
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| 17:46.19 | zinx | or you could hook XNextEvent/XPeekEvent |
| 17:46.22 | ScottG | greycat: startx path -- :1 works (since I already have :0 taken) |
| 17:46.44 | greycat | sounds right. |
| 17:46.55 | zinx | maybe XPending and friends if required |
| 17:47.05 | ScottG | greycat: However, it seems that it isn't connecting with drivers somehow. I start google earth and it runs really slow and I get a message saying that it will run slow because it's using OpenGL |
| 17:47.27 | greycat | ScottG: I think you only get 3d acceleration on :0 or something like that |
| 17:47.44 | greycat | you might have to ask #xorg or whatever if nobody here knows more |
| 17:47.44 | ScottG | greycat: Oh really. That's unfortunate |
| 17:47.50 | ScottG | Good idea |
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| 17:51.11 | gnarface | ok so anyone know like, a whole lot about insserv and the new concurrent booting setup? i'm trying to figure out why my boot process in SID pauses at multiple places but continues when i hit a key |
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| 17:52.21 | gnarface | as a side note - anyone know why someone has hardwired /etc/init.d/rc so that it ignores the documented CONCURRENCY option in /etc/defaults/rcS, making it impossible to set CONCURRENCY=none unless you edit /etc/init.d/rc directly? |
| 17:53.15 | greycat | Probably the bit about "Before enabling concurrency, one must check every script..." |
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| 17:54.40 | gnarface | greycat: i didn't enable it. i'm trying to either fix it or disable it. something seems to have enabled it for me and running dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc doesn't give me the option to disable like it did on my ppc box (which i can leave it enabled on, since the ppc box doesn't have this problem) |
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| 17:54.49 | gnarface | i think there's an actual bug here |
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| 17:55.08 | themill | gnarface: I can't see where it's hardwired in /etc/init.d/rc |
| 17:55.08 | gnarface | what would be nice is some way to like, dump the dependency map and show any gaps or whatever |
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| 17:55.31 | gnarface | themill: not line 33? |
| 17:55.47 | greycat | gnarface: you're not on lenny, then? |
| 17:55.52 | gnarface | sid |
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| 17:55.58 | themill | gnarface: check line 76 |
| 17:56.00 | greycat | then it's supposed to break. |
| 17:56.01 | gnarface | had this problem on squeeze too though |
| 17:56.04 | greycat | that's what sid is for. |
| 17:56.10 | gnarface | had this problem since etch guys |
| 17:56.12 | gnarface | please |
| 17:56.23 | gnarface | just getting tired of not being able to boot my desktop remotely |
| 17:56.45 | greycat | how the hell did you manage to enable boot script concurrency and not know what you did? |
| 17:57.00 | gnarface | greycat: good question. i'm still trying to figure that out |
| 17:57.00 | greycat | lenny /etc/init.d/rc has a huge block of comments and then CONCURRENCY=none |
| 17:57.01 | themill | greycat: it's actually enabled by default for squeeze |
| 17:57.10 | greycat | post-lenny, sure, but ETCH? |
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| 17:57.52 | gnarface | greycat: someone in this room helped me fix the problem in etch. it was just an update of sysvinit or sysv-rc or something, but then it came back when i updated to squeeze |
| 17:58.08 | greycat | you updated from etch straight to squeeze? |
| 17:58.08 | gnarface | it's been doing this for about a year straight |
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| 17:58.21 | gnarface | greycat: maybe. think that could have caused this? |
| 17:58.44 | gnarface | can i pastebin my /etc/init.d/rc and have someone tell me if it's even the right one? |
| 17:58.49 | greycat | I'd think it wouldn't work at all, but who knows. Anyway, as themill said, concurrency is default in squeeze. |
| 17:58.55 | greycat | It was never the default before that. |
| 17:59.02 | gnarface | themill: this is what i got on line 76: . /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:59.38 | themill | gnarface: quite. that's reading your settings from /etc/default/rcS -- i.e. not ignoring it |
| 17:59.45 | gnarface | http://pastebin.com/0qTxsLcb |
| 17:59.57 | gnarface | oh i see |
| 18:00.21 | greycat | gnarface: right, it reads rcS *after* setting CONCURRENCY to the default value earlier, so rcS overrides |
| 18:00.42 | gnarface | got it. i got confused seeing line 33 |
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| 18:01.04 | gnarface | ok so that's not it then.... which is a bit alarming. what else could cause this? |
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| 18:01.27 | themill | gnarface: the maintainer for the all the init scripts bits usually wants to look at the output of /usr/share/insserv/make-testsuite and /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order... perhaps they are enlightening. |
| 18:01.32 | greycat | did you set CONCURRENCY=none in /etc/default/rcS yet? |
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| 18:01.42 | gnarface | greycat: yea. it didn't change anything |
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| 18:02.05 | themill | hitting a key is weird though -- that shouldn't be related to concurrency or otherwise |
| 18:02.05 | greycat | how do you know? and what's the symptom, anyway? |
| 18:02.24 | gnarface | the symptom is that it pauses |
| 18:02.47 | greycat | and you think concurrent boot scripts cause this? |
| 18:02.56 | gnarface | just stops outputting lines to the screen during boot. that's all. it waits forever unless i hit a key. at first i thought it was locking up until i realized hitting any key continues the boot |
| 18:03.27 | gnarface | greycat: extensive googling showed someone else having the same problem back in 2007 with insserv and sysv-rc and concurrency |
| 18:04.06 | gnarface | greycat: search for boot pauses insserv |
| 18:04.08 | gnarface | http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=boot+pauses+insserv&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d |
| 18:04.21 | greycat | stick "exec >2>/var/tmp/rc.log; set -x" in the /etc/init.d/rc script somewhere before the part you think is screwing up, and see what it logs. |
| 18:04.36 | greycat | GAH! Typos. |
| 18:04.39 | greycat | stick "exec 2>>/var/tmp/rc.log; set -x" in the /etc/init.d/rc script somewhere before the part you think is screwing up, and see what it logs. |
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| 18:09.00 | gnarface | what does exec 2 do? |
| 18:09.05 | gnarface | execute the contents of standard out? |
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| 18:09.11 | greycat | 2>> means append stderr to |
| 18:09.26 | gnarface | ah |
| 18:09.36 | greycat | exec is... just a weird overloaded command. In *this* context, it means "apply these redirections to the current shell, not to a new command". |
| 18:09.38 | gnarface | is it relevant here to note i enabled the bootlog? |
| 18:09.48 | gnarface | nothing interesting shows up |
| 18:09.50 | gnarface | but i could pastebin it |
| 18:10.13 | greycat | you should at least be able to see whether it passes the [ "none" != "$CONCURRENCY" ] checks and so on. |
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| 18:10.38 | raboof | jack-tools is an orphaned package. I'd like to do some work to create packages for a new upstream release, but i'm not sure if I'll go 'all the way' and have it sponsored into Debian. Would it be reasonable to get it into git.debian.org under collab-maint anyway, so at least someone can pick up where I might have left off? |
| 18:11.57 | krt | uh |
| 18:12.01 | krt | no |
| 18:12.05 | krt | runs |
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| 18:12.21 | krt | that's like being famous for almost doing something |
| 18:12.51 | raboof | i don't want to be famous, just don't want my work to go to waste entirely :) |
| 18:13.08 | gnarface | greycat: ok, so you're suggesting i set CONCURRENCY=none in /etc/default/rcS, add exec 2>>/var/tmp/rc.log; set -x to the beginning of my /etc/init.d/rc and also enable the boot log? |
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| 18:13.49 | greycat | I'm suggesting you look at the log file to see what happened. To see whether it even TRIED to do concurrency. |
| 18:13.57 | gnarface | ok |
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| 18:14.09 | greycat | You've been assuming concurrency is the cause of your symptom based on a 3-year-old google result. |
| 18:14.15 | krt | raboof: why not go all the way and get it into debian? |
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| 18:14.23 | gnarface | yea i know :( but i'm at a loss for what else it could be |
| 18:14.39 | gnarface | greycat: ok i'll get a fresh boot log and pastebin it. brb |
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| 18:15.02 | raboof | krt: i'd like to, but I don't know which hurdles I might run into - I'm just realistic enough to know I might give up at some point :) |
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| 18:18.24 | raboof | krt: but I guess collab-maint isn't a bad place then :) |
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| 18:23.40 | gnarface | greycat: ok i'm back. no change. here's the boot log: http://pastebin.com/PBSndrTc |
| 18:24.53 | abrotman | and which lines does it pause at? |
| 18:25.04 | greycat | that isn't the set -x log from /etc/init.d/rc |
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| 18:27.04 | gnarface | greycat: no that's the boot log. i'll run the other one now |
| 18:27.58 | gnarface | abrotman: it doesn't always pause at the same lines and i don't think it's the lines it pauses at that are relevant. sometimes the harddrive keeps running for 20-25 seconds, sometimes it stops immediately too. regardless the boot output continues as soon as i push a key, whether i wait for the harddrive to stop or not |
| 18:28.14 | abrotman | blames reiserfs! |
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| 18:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | immer auf die kleinen... |
| 18:29.32 | pickcoder | gnarface: you probably have a script that's failing and dropping into a print/input clause |
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| 18:29.42 | pickcoder | you don't see it because of the concurrency |
| 18:29.51 | gnarface | abrotman: ;-P |
| 18:30.05 | gnarface | pickcoder: how would i find something like that out? |
| 18:30.11 | pickcoder | turn off concurrency? |
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| 18:30.22 | greycat | he thought he did. we're trying to determine whether he in fact did. |
| 18:30.23 | gnarface | pickcoder: that boot log was generated with concurrency off |
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| 18:30.30 | gnarface | er, yea |
| 18:30.32 | gnarface | did i? |
| 18:30.40 | gnarface | greycat: brb with that second log |
| 18:30.43 | gnarface | the exec 2>>/var/tmp/rc.log; set -x thing |
| 18:30.49 | negge | is /etc/email-addresses the correct file to edit if I want all e-mail to "root" to be redirected to a "real" e-mail address? |
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| 18:31.47 | greycat | negge: I think you want /etc/aliases (assuming you're using the default MTA) |
| 18:32.49 | negge | greycat: yeah I'm using exim4 on squeeze, have it configured to relay SMTP through my ISPs server so it won't end up as spam |
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| 18:33.50 | negge | greycat: yeah that did the trick, thanks a bunch! |
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| 18:37.32 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 18:48.45 | ondrejk_ | hello, id like to recover deleted directory back-upped via rdiff-backup, is that possible? |
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| 18:49.15 | gnarface | ok i'm back |
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| 18:49.23 | gnarface | guess what? that doesn't work at all. |
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| 18:49.35 | abrotman | what doesn't work? |
| 18:49.43 | abrotman | the thing that greycat asked you totry? |
| 18:49.45 | fjorgynn | me |
| 18:49.47 | gnarface | yes |
| 18:50.27 | gnarface | because /var/tmp doesn't exist at that point (not mounted i guess) and if i try to use /tmp instead it's a read-only filesystem. so i guess i need advice on what line to put it on |
| 18:50.29 | ShapeShifter499 | hi again |
| 18:50.39 | petemc | ondrejk_: tried just copying it from the place you backed it up to? |
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| 18:51.03 | gnarface | abrotman, greycat thank god for knoppix because it rendered my system unbootable |
| 18:51.52 | gnarface | greycat: what line is it safe to put this on? |
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| 18:52.04 | ondrejk_ | petemc: no, i've just checked if it would be possible, files in that deleted directory are in weird format |
| 18:52.07 | greycat | Yuck. Ouch. |
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| 18:52.44 | greycat | If there are no writable file systems at that point, then I *suppose* you could just use the set -x line without the exec 2>>... line, but then you won't have the information in a file. It'll just scroll up the console. |
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| 18:53.14 | gnarface | if boot log is enabled would it go there too? |
| 18:53.24 | greycat | maybe. |
| 18:53.35 | gnarface | i'm kinda surprised there isn't an easier way to get this information that doesn't require hacking the rc scripts |
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| 18:56.30 | karlpinc | gnarface: I've not been paying attention. Perhaps turning on bootlogd? |
| 18:56.41 | gnarface | karlpinc: yea it's on. nothing interesting in there. |
| 18:56.43 | greycat | he's had that on the whole time, I think |
| 18:56.48 | karlpinc | Ok |
| 18:56.57 | gnarface | i could pastebin dmesg if you think it might help |
| 18:57.13 | gnarface | i don't see anything that looks too abnormal in there either, but there's a lot of gunk |
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| 18:57.24 | greycat | I doubt dmesg would help |
| 18:57.46 | gnarface | ok trying it again, this time with just set -x |
| 18:57.48 | gnarface | to see what i can see |
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| 19:02.07 | solifugus | What do I need installed to make apache rewrite work? |
| 19:02.34 | stew | solifugus: run "a2enmod rewrite" after installing apache2 |
| 19:02.49 | simonrvn | stew! |
| 19:02.58 | stew | yoyo |
| 19:03.21 | solifugus | stew: thanks! that seems to have done it! |
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| 19:03.38 | gnarface | ok i'm back |
| 19:04.57 | gnarface | i noticed something interesting - occasionally (much more rarely) it pauses on shutdown too, but only ever once, and not as frequently (2-5 times on boot) |
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| 19:05.59 | jelly-hme | when aptitude says "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded." how do I see which 6 and reasons? |
| 19:06.11 | abrotman | jelly-hme: aptitude search "~U" |
| 19:06.19 | abrotman | i assume that was a safe-upgrade ? |
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| 19:06.49 | jelly-hme | full-upgrade, and ~U shows only three |
| 19:07.11 | abrotman | maybe the others are deps of those? |
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| 19:07.15 | gnarface | abrotman, greycat here's the boot log with set -x: http://pastebin.com/8uY9g0LB |
| 19:07.34 | jelly-hme | abrotman: probably, but it doesn't say so. |
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| 19:08.13 | jelly-hme | when aptitude says "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded." how do I see which 6 and reasons, _including_ any autoinstalled dependencies? |
| 19:09.22 | Justin | jelly-hme: what command are you running? |
| 19:09.22 | simonrvn | dunno, i mostly use th ui ;p |
| 19:10.51 | jelly-hme | Justin: aptitude full-upgrade, on a mostly squeeze machine. http://paste.debian.net/83956/ |
| 19:11.09 | greycat | gnarface: well, it definitely had 'none' for the CONCURRENCY variable when it came to the test from line 105, and also in the case statement on line 118 (of the rc script). |
| 19:11.26 | greycat | gnarface: as seen in lines 928-929 of the latest paste |
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| 19:12.07 | gnarface | greycat: the weird thing is, when i'm booting the output near the pauses has no + lines at all. |
| 19:12.12 | jelly-hme | perhaps it's time to forego afterstep 1.8.11 |
| 19:12.39 | Justin | jelly-hme: what does apt-get dist-upgrade -s say? |
| 19:13.02 | greycat | gnarface: so it's not pausing during the rc script, right? |
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| 19:13.32 | greycat | what are the lines right before and right after the pause? |
| 19:13.51 | jelly-hme | Justin: a second, different set of actions. http://paste.debian.net/83960/ |
| 19:14.25 | Justin | jelly-hme: well, those are likely the packages in question |
| 19:14.33 | gnarface | greycat: i guess not? it's not always the same lines, and there are usually at least 2 pauses, but the first one always seems to pause somewhere between loading up firewire, usb, or ata stuff |
| 19:14.45 | jelly-hme | Justin: it's also disregarding aptitude's hold database, and I won't have none of that. |
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| 19:15.42 | thrashold | What document should I consult if I want to know what happens to sid while testing is frozen and why? |
| 19:15.57 | Justin | jelly-hme: well I didn't mean you should use apt-get, just that it will tell you what is up :) |
| 19:15.58 | gnarface | greycat: the harddrive usually keeps running for about 20-25 seconds after the first pause. if i wait for it then there is usually only one more pause, but if i hit a key right away (starting output to the screen immediately) it often pauses at 3-5 spots |
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| 19:16.41 | jelly-hme | Justin: it won't, it will tell me what _it_ thinks is up, and its notion of upward vector is different to aptitude's |
| 19:16.43 | stew | thrashold: nothing happens to sid while testing is frozen, except, developers will often be reluctant to upload new upstream versions to unstable because they might want the unstable->testing upgrade path reserved for a fix in the packaging of the version in testing |
| 19:16.57 | Justin | jelly-hme: true.. but isn't that list of packages what you were looking for? |
| 19:17.18 | jelly-hme | Justin: no. I was looking for packages that aptitude wouldn't upgrade, 6 of them |
| 19:17.20 | thrashold | stew: I see, so the fact that KDE in sid is delayed a bit has nothing to do with rules. Thanks :) |
| 19:17.55 | jelly-hme | Justin: for a third opinion, update-notifier thinks "There are 2 updates available" |
| 19:18.48 | stew | thrashold: if there is some new major kde release upstream, they'd not start putting that into unstable until after testing, yeah. They need to be able to upload fixes to the testing version. uploading directly to testing is much more involved |
| 19:18.48 | jelly-hme | Justin: update-manager hangs and eats 100% CPU so I won't click on u-n to find out which two, because it's not going to work |
| 19:19.24 | greycat | gnarface: it certainly doesn't sound like anything that parallelizing the boot scripts would cause. |
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| 19:20.35 | gnarface | greycat: considering that disabling it had no effect, i'm inclined to agree with you. i'm at a loss for what the cause could be though. :( any ideas? |
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| 19:21.14 | greycat | It's nothing I've ever heard of before. I can't figure out why keyboard input would do anything. |
| 19:21.24 | gnarface | it's insane! |
| 19:21.29 | gnarface | i don't get it either |
| 19:21.43 | raboof | if i'd like to collaborate on maintaining a package whose 'upstream' is in darcs, would it make sense to combine http://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithDarcs and http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/Darcs ? |
| 19:21.47 | gnarface | i also don't get why subsequent updates/upgrades haven't fixed it |
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| 19:22.10 | gnarface | could it be a problem with the actual keyboard? is that even possible that early in the boot sequence? |
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| 19:22.57 | Hounddog | Hi, i have some windows and linux(ubuntu) systems now i am trying to figure out can i do something like add the linux systems to a domain so that i can manage the accounts from the server? e.g. samba |
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| 19:23.49 | simonrvn | #samba |
| 19:24.26 | Hounddog | thx |
| 19:24.33 | gnarface | greycat: think it could be the keyboard somehow? |
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| 19:24.41 | greycat | I don't have any ideas at this point. |
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| 19:25.27 | gnarface | alright, well thanks for trying |
| 19:25.51 | stormzen | I need a lightweight MTA for lenny. All it needs to do is function as a null mailer ( no local mail ), but it needs to rewrite the recipient to one address ( which I can't seem to figure out how to get null mailer to do ) ... is there such an animal? |
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| 19:30.34 | Armageddon | is there anything wrong with the torrent tracker for the weekly unstable CD ? |
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| 19:31.45 | stew | Armageddon: i don't know why people would bother seeding an unstable cd. Why wouldn't you use a testing cd? |
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| 19:32.26 | Armageddon | well I was afraid the testing would sometimes mess up |
| 19:32.28 | the_truth_about_ | #flood |
| 19:32.35 | Armageddon | well I was afraid the testing would sometimes mess up, stew if it does not, can you please link ? |
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| 19:33.34 | acu | Armageddon: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:33.36 | stew | Armageddon: unstable would be much more likely to mess up |
| 19:34.04 | stew | Armageddon: why do you want to run unstable in the first place? |
| 19:34.36 | Armageddon | why not ? |
| 19:34.45 | greycat | !sid |
| 19:34.45 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 19:35.29 | Armageddon | oh, I messed up unstable with testing then |
| 19:36.38 | Armageddon | thanks again |
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| 19:37.56 | gnarface | i'm wondering if this problem isn't the keyboard somehow |
| 19:38.04 | gnarface | maybe i should boot without it plugged in. i haven't tried that |
| 19:38.47 | gnarface | could a keyboard send something to the console during boot that would pause it until you hit a key? something other than a ctrl-s i guess because any key press seems to work |
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| 19:39.16 | greycat | if you have a second keyboard, you could swap it temporarily to test that theory |
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| 19:39.50 | gnarface | i think i have one in my stack of junk somewhere. i'll try it later tonight. i've got to get some work done |
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| 19:43.16 | Armageddon | hello again, well I was right the first time, the squeeze torrent files are not working is it my connection ? |
| 19:44.04 | pallgone | Armageddon: you need them torrents? |
| 19:44.15 | gnarface | Armageddon: what's the problem? you can't even get a download, or you can't get the image to install once downloaded? |
| 19:44.53 | Armageddon | I have a connection of 15KB/s if I'm lucky |
| 19:44.57 | Armageddon | and it's not even stable |
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| 19:45.51 | Armageddon | so my best change, pallgone, gnarface, is torrent wise |
| 19:46.08 | greycat | so what's the problem? |
| 19:46.38 | gnarface | Armageddon: you don't want to try the businesscard image? it's only like 50MB. you could get the install process started a lot faster... |
| 19:46.43 | jelly-hme | no peers or what? |
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| 19:47.12 | Armageddon | it says "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" |
| 19:47.32 | stew | Armageddon: you can't just download a netinst directly using http instead of using bittorrent? |
| 19:47.52 | Armageddon | I said I have a 15Kb/s connection |
| 19:47.59 | Armageddon | netinst would take me weeks to finish |
| 19:48.05 | stew | ok |
| 19:48.07 | stew | why use torrent/ |
| 19:48.23 | Armageddon | because with an unstable connection I can still resume no matter what |
| 19:48.34 | stew | with wget you can resume no matter what |
| 19:48.47 | Armageddon | true, but you never had a connection like mine |
| 19:48.56 | stew | and you definately don't want a businessacard image if you are using that kind of connection |
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| 19:49.16 | Phr3ak_ | hi |
| 19:49.25 | Armageddon | well if there is no other way I'll go with wget |
| 19:49.40 | dondelelcaro | Armageddon: the cdimage mirrors are fast enough to saturate a 15kb/s connection |
| 19:49.41 | Armageddon | thank you guys |
| 19:49.58 | jelly-hme | Armageddon: wget was written for a 128kbps country link |
| 19:50.01 | Phr3ak_ | is 6 stable enough to run on a desktop computer ? |
| 19:50.06 | dondelelcaro | I regularly pull from them at 3-7MB/s |
| 19:50.24 | Armageddon | jelly-hme, not for a country where http servers might go down losing browsing |
| 19:50.27 | gnarface | Armageddon: what the hell type of connection do you have? |
| 19:50.28 | Armageddon | chuckles |
| 19:50.30 | Armageddon | poor me |
| 19:50.43 | Armageddon | gnarface, I can't explain, its custom I guess |
| 19:50.48 | pickcoder | heck just buy a DVD set |
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| 19:50.56 | jelly-hme | Armageddon: well, there weren't many local http servers then |
| 19:51.08 | Armageddon | many ? there aren't any you mean, jelly-hme |
| 19:51.14 | jhutchins | Phr3ak_: 6 is not stable. |
| 19:51.17 | Armageddon | pickcoder, don't you think if I could I would ? |
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| 19:51.25 | jelly-hme | Armageddon: so it's a similar situation. |
| 19:51.28 | pickcoder | you don't have snail mail either? |
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| 19:51.49 | Armageddon | once Debian runs I'll manage with the slow connection |
| 19:51.53 | Armageddon | but getting it to run is the problem |
| 19:51.56 | Armageddon | thanks anyway guys |
| 19:51.56 | raboof | anyone here familiar with darcs-buildpackage? it suggests i do 'dh_make' in my 'repo/%(package)s' directory, but that afaics that directory is not supposed to be in 'packagename-version' format, and dh_make does expect that |
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| 19:52.02 | Phr3ak_ | i know 6 isnt in the stable release, but i hear good things about it, that it just stable enough .. |
| 19:52.48 | jhutchins | Phr3ak_: It's not stable, it's a moving target, and it's likely things will break before it becomes stable. |
| 19:53.18 | jhutchins | Phr3ak_: It's frozen now, which means there won't be bugs introduced by feature adds, but there will be bugs introduced by bug fixes, and there are standing bugs. |
| 19:53.36 | jhutchins | Phr3ak_: For instance it's currently unusable with certain Intell laptop graphics chips. |
| 19:53.46 | Phr3ak_ | well .. bugs are always a issue .. isnt it ?! ;) |
| 19:54.25 | Phr3ak_ | iam running a AMD .. no Intel ;-) |
| 19:54.33 | Phr3ak_ | and no laptops available over here :) |
| 19:54.33 | jhutchins | Phr3ak_: Bugs in stable tend not to be show stoppers. |
| 19:54.47 | pickcoder | yeah.. even when a kernel is held back for 4 years and sold as an enterprise OS.. <cough RH5> |
| 19:55.09 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: they update their hw support regularly. |
| 19:55.18 | pickcoder | hahaha that's a load of crap |
| 19:55.19 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: _and_ fix bugs |
| 19:55.21 | Phr3ak_ | sow, stick to 5.05 !? |
| 19:55.28 | jhutchins | Phr3ak_: Start with lenny, get used to how debian works and how to fix things. By that time squeeze might be released, but you'll be more prepared to deal with the problems that it will have if it's not. |
| 19:55.38 | pickcoder | I begged for ESB2 sensor support for my Intel board for over 12 months |
| 19:55.56 | pickcoder | even provided the kernel patch and module |
| 19:55.57 | jhutchins | pickcoder: What kind of subscription did you have? |
| 19:56.02 | Phr3ak_ | iam used on how debian works ;) |
| 19:56.04 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: our G6 HP proliants from 2009 or so work on RHEL |
| 19:56.06 | pickcoder | (we'll include it in our next release...) |
| 19:56.07 | Phr3ak_ | debian is no problem ;) |
| 19:56.11 | pickcoder | which was about 12 months later |
| 19:56.20 | Phr3ak_ | i just was curious on the new "6" version .. |
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| 19:56.31 | Phr3ak_ | if its good enough to install as a desktop ;-) |
| 19:56.34 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: you're probably not a big enough customer or using unusual hardware ;-) |
| 19:56.45 | pickcoder | jhutchins: the basic web/tech support |
| 19:56.55 | jhutchins | Phr3ak_: By definition it's not. |
| 19:56.59 | pickcoder | jelly-hme: how is a mainstream Intel server board "unusual"? |
| 19:57.07 | Phr3ak_ | ok |
| 19:57.25 | Phr3ak_ | iam now on ubuntu 10.04 |
| 19:57.29 | pickcoder | they are stuck on 2.6.18 and the lm-sensors was over 2 years dated |
| 19:57.33 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: where do I start? It's a _board_ not a brand name server with that board, for starters. |
| 19:57.38 | jhutchins | Phr3ak_: What I did is install it on another partition for testing. |
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| 19:58.05 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: Supermicro prolly doesn't count as a brand ;-) |
| 19:58.28 | pickcoder | no, but their server boards are typically approved |
| 19:58.45 | jhutchins | pickcoder: If you run RedHat, you know you're going to have to compile your own kernels for anything like recent hardware. |
| 19:59.06 | thewanderer1 | (hint: Supermicro is a server brand, too - just saying) |
| 19:59.08 | pickcoder | jhutchins: I know.. try explaining that to my DB vendor. :( |
| 19:59.10 | jhutchins | In any case, the pros and cons of RedHat are not really topical here. |
| 20:00.21 | pickcoder | I may be loading up Lenny soon and running our core server in a virtualbox |
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| 20:03.57 | pickcoder | speaking of recent hardware, my ManagedFlash SSD system trial hasn't gone too well. Gonna try sticking it under 5.0.2. Is there anything odd regarding mdadm that I should be aware of? |
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| 20:04.59 | pickcoder | <insert off-topic OS> didn't like the softRAID and block driver and kernel hung everytime I tried to go live |
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| 20:05.13 | thewanderer1 | pickcoder: like SSD's not supporting TRIM in RAID? |
| 20:05.34 | thewanderer1 | (I don't know if that is relevant in Stable anyway) |
| 20:05.35 | pickcoder | no.. more along the lines of high load failure |
| 20:05.45 | pickcoder | due to memory leaks, etc |
| 20:06.10 | thewanderer1 | I haven't experienced this, you might want to try the backports kernel |
| 20:06.37 | pickcoder | I think I may put a test system together first before I destroy the main web server blindly testing it |
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| 20:08.38 | pickcoder | got a pair of Fusio-io ioDrive's coming in soon for testing |
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| 20:08.56 | pickcoder | the prospective 200K IOPS has me drooling already |
| 20:09.20 | ShapeShifter499 | hi again |
| 20:09.41 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I theme the login screen |
| 20:09.46 | ShapeShifter499 | ? |
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| 20:10.21 | abrotman | wait, didn't he say he was never coming back? |
| 20:10.29 | ShapeShifter499 | ..... |
| 20:10.32 | ShapeShifter499 | ........................... |
| 20:10.33 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Depends on which login screen. |
| 20:10.46 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, shadup! |
| 20:10.54 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, gdm |
| 20:10.58 | jelly-hme | dots :( |
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| 20:12.07 | OpenTokix | pickcoder: Do you have a url for that drive? |
| 20:12.22 | pickcoder | www.fusionio.com |
| 20:12.23 | nsadmin | doesn't look like dots to me... they;re probably spots... |
| 20:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I thought he said he hates the people here... |
| 20:12.33 | OpenTokix | pickcoder: thanks |
| 20:12.34 | pickcoder | the 80GB cards aren't being made anymore (I'm striping two of them) |
| 20:12.39 | Raptors | Does anyone know why EXT3 is slower then NTFS on an eternal drive? |
| 20:12.45 | pickcoder | they only have stats for the 160GB and up |
| 20:12.51 | nsadmin | hates people? that's bad... |
| 20:12.52 | ShapeShifter499 | CutMeOwnThroat, no just "some" ppl |
| 20:12.55 | jelly-hme | Raptors: it depends. |
| 20:13.20 | Raptors | I was getting 30-33 MBPS on NTFS and when I switched to EXT I'm getting around 23/24 |
| 20:13.26 | nsadmin | do you hate the people who typically make you do your own work? |
| 20:13.28 | Raptors | :\ |
| 20:13.29 | stew | ShapeShifter499: run gdmsetup as root |
| 20:13.32 | pickcoder | the 80GB, if you can find them, are going for about $5600 right now and the price is going up as they sell out |
| 20:13.37 | jelly-hme | Raptors: partition on the same place of the disk? |
| 20:13.46 | pickcoder | the 160GB starts around 7800 |
| 20:14.17 | Raptors | jelly-hme, I reformated it with EXT3 |
| 20:14.22 | ShapeShifter499 | CutMeOwnThroat, not gonna name any names but *COUGH*themill*COUGHCOUGH* |
| 20:14.27 | pickcoder | HP and IBM are installing them in OEM solutions, so you may get a better deal buying a server with "accelerated storage" or something similar |
| 20:14.29 | Raptors | only 1 partition |
| 20:14.31 | nsadmin | stew: is there something like that for kdm? |
| 20:14.37 | stew | nsadmin: no idea |
| 20:14.47 | pallgone | Raptors: from the same OS? |
| 20:14.51 | jelly-hme | Raptors: mount options may need tuning. USB has some latency. |
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| 20:14.54 | jhutchins | Raptors: Yep. |
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| 20:15.10 | jelly-hme | Raptors: I'm assuming USB judging from the speeds. |
| 20:15.14 | Raptors | ya |
| 20:15.15 | nsadmin | oh ok... *: is there something like gdmsetup for kdm? |
| 20:15.18 | jhutchins | nsadmin: Sorry, yes, kdm has theming, and that's exactly all I know about it. |
| 20:15.19 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: no I want to exit how the login looks |
| 20:15.28 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: not how it works |
| 20:15.37 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: *edit |
| 20:15.38 | Raptors | jelly-hme, how come NTFS didn't need tuning? |
| 20:16.10 | stew | ShapeShifter499: you can theme gdm using gdmsetup |
| 20:16.13 | jelly-hme | Raptors: that's a good question for the ntfs driver authors. |
| 20:16.20 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: I can't D; |
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| 20:16.23 | stew | ShapeShifter499: why not? |
| 20:16.33 | nsadmin | have you tried yet? :P |
| 20:16.35 | Raptors | jelly-hme, are there any on here? |
| 20:16.45 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin, yes |
| 20:17.08 | stew | ShapeShifter499: what happens when you try to change the theme? |
| 20:17.22 | nsadmin | oh ok, while I don't run gdm myself, people will be interested in what version of gdm you have |
| 20:17.23 | jelly-hme | Raptors: probably not. Also, there are two different read-write capable drivers, one from ntfsprogs package, one from ntfs-3g. |
| 20:17.38 | ShapeShifter499 | stew no option |
| 20:17.52 | honeypuck | I'd like to set up two partitions on an external drive, with different file systems (Ext4 & XFS [I'd like to experiment a little bit)). Each partition should be encrypted by cryptsetup. Should they be primary partitions or extended or is LVM the appropriate solution? If I understand well, putting them into a LVM and then encrypting the LVM (like my root, home and swap on my OS) only one keys would suffice to unlock both. Any suggestions? Than |
| 20:17.52 | stew | ShapeShifter499: for me its on the "local" tab |
| 20:18.19 | honeypuck | If someone knows a nice tutorial for beginners that would be great! |
| 20:18.28 | OpenTokix | honeypuck: I would do it with lvm |
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| 20:18.45 | nsadmin | honeypuck: if you're experimenting, pick a way to start and do that |
| 20:18.53 | jelly-hme | Raptors: which filesystem were you using? ext2, ext3, ext4? How did you mount it? What did "mount" command or /proc/mounts say? |
| 20:18.58 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: what version you running? |
| 20:19.15 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: of debian |
| 20:19.16 | Raptors | jelly-hme, EXT3 and it automounted it... |
| 20:19.16 | nsadmin | ShapeShifter499, what version are YOU running? |
| 20:19.29 | honeypuck | With experimenting I menat using xfs. Already have an external drive with ext4 working fine. |
| 20:19.29 | nsadmin | of gdm |
| 20:19.41 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin: gdm3 and debian squeeze |
| 20:19.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... jelly-jokster - what FS do YOU suggest? |
| 20:19.47 | jelly-hme | Raptors: it's quite possible ext*fs filesystems just didn't go thru any optimization for that type of connectivity |
| 20:20.13 | jelly-hme | CutMeOwnThroat: if you have to ask, ext3! |
| 20:20.14 | stormzen | I need a lightweight MTA for lenny. All it needs to do is function as a null mailer ( no local mail ), but it needs to rewrite the recipient to one address ( which I can't seem to figure out how to get null mailer to do ) ... is there such an animal? |
| 20:20.17 | stew | ShapeShifter499: unstable. gdm 2.20.10-3 |
| 20:20.22 | Raptors | jelly-hme, so what should I do? Go back to NTFS? |
| 20:20.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-hme, no way! |
| 20:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | something sensible |
| 20:20.28 | jelly-hme | CutMeOwnThroat: way. |
| 20:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:20.57 | jelly-hme | Raptors: that's the simplest short term solution, yes. |
| 20:21.06 | jelly-hme | Raptors: or you could go tuning. |
| 20:21.08 | Raptors | short term? |
| 20:21.13 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: ah... gdm before 3 I'm not quite sure but I think thats one thing that changed |
| 20:21.17 | Raptors | How do I "tune" it? |
| 20:21.32 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: maybe 3 doesn't allow theming? |
| 20:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-hme, way to enter the wireless channel in the installer? |
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| 20:21.39 | jelly-hme | Raptors: investigate and test various mount options for ext3. |
| 20:21.51 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: and google isn't helping |
| 20:21.52 | jelly-hme | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm clueless about the installer. |
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| 20:22.05 | nsadmin | ShapeShifter499: dpkg -s gdm | grep Version |
| 20:22.09 | jhutchins_lt | stormzen: Just install a standard mta like exim or postfix. |
| 20:22.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
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| 20:23.17 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin, I've got gdm3 installed, whole new package two, came as default when I installed squeeze from cd |
| 20:23.18 | jelly-hme | Raptors: ask the ext3-users mailing list of steps to take. Provide measurements to show a dumb userspace driver like ntfs-3g is faster than their filesystem. |
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| 20:23.23 | ShapeShifter499 | *too |
| 20:23.32 | zeloran | are there some good tools for debian to list a file system structure (recursive) with it's permissions, but in a compact form where only differences of files/folders to their parents are listed? |
| 20:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-hme, aha! no way! |
| 20:23.53 | moldovean | , versions gdm |
| 20:23.54 | judd | gdm -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.11-1; squeeze: 2.20.11-1 |
| 20:23.54 | zeloran | differences in permissions |
| 20:24.14 | moldovean | ShapeShifter499, try gdm |
| 20:24.51 | ShapeShifter499 | moldovean: :/ ya I was thinking |
| 20:24.54 | jelly-hme | Raptors: there're also a couple of channels with ext4 (and ext3) developers over on irc.oftc.net, but don't expect quick answers, and they're really more ment for devels |
| 20:25.01 | ShapeShifter499 | hopes nothing breaks |
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| 20:25.21 | pickcoder | how can you compare ntfs-3g and ext3 since ntfs-3g doesn't support full journaling? |
| 20:25.27 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: speed. |
| 20:25.43 | pickcoder | ext3 produces more overhead due to journals |
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| 20:25.49 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: who cares? |
| 20:25.54 | nsadmin | ShapeShifter499: dpkg -s gdm | grep Version |
| 20:26.05 | pickcoder | so an apple is better than an orange because it rolls better? |
| 20:26.16 | pickcoder | pffft |
| 20:26.27 | stormzen | jhutchins, I can never figure out how to configure a full blown MTA. And I don't need one. I just need everything the system sends to be relayed to one user. |
| 20:26.28 | nsadmin | a superball is better than an apple OR an orange! |
| 20:26.32 | greycat | I think an orange would roll better. |
| 20:26.34 | pickcoder | superball! |
| 20:26.36 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: it rolls _faster. Yes. That's exactly how Raptors compared it, and it's a valid approach. |
| 20:26.39 | Raptors | pickcoder, what do you suggest I do? |
| 20:26.40 | sheepz | hello, my system is constantly crashing, i get this error message in my messages file: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/251434/ |
| 20:26.56 | pickcoder | greycat: oranges are softer and produce more surface friction |
| 20:26.58 | sheepz | which logs should I check or how to troubleshoot? |
| 20:27.07 | pickcoder | just because it's rounder doesn't mean it's faster |
| 20:27.07 | nsadmin | so's a nectarine! |
| 20:27.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, actually, I would argue oranges roll better... |
| 20:27.26 | streuner | sheepz: bascially /var/log/messages - syslog? |
| 20:27.32 | Raptors | pickcoder, it kinda does... |
| 20:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, greycat was faster on that one |
| 20:27.48 | sheepz | streuner, yes? |
| 20:27.51 | pickcoder | Raptors: I would compare it to ext2 since there is no journaling enabled |
| 20:27.55 | greycat | Oranges are closer to spherical. |
| 20:27.56 | pickcoder | but don't mind me |
| 20:27.59 | Raptors | pickcoder, the apple wouldn't roll fast because its keep hitting a bump and killing momentum. |
| 20:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | right! |
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| 20:28.22 | streuner | sheepz: well, what does "cat /proc/version" say, btw? |
| 20:28.28 | nsadmin | so named is crashing? |
| 20:28.36 | ShapeShifter499 | moldovean nsadmin if I try to install gdm it goes to remove gdm3 and a few other things including gnome-desktop-environment 0.0! |
| 20:28.42 | pickcoder | Raptors: maybe someone should post that on Mythbuster's fan site |
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| 20:28.43 | Raptors | pickcoder, would journaling really slow it down that much though? |
| 20:28.55 | pickcoder | ext3 wastes a decent amount of IO on journal updates |
| 20:28.58 | sheepz | Linux version 2.6.20.10 (mroos@amputa) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Mon Apr 30 11:16:52 EEST 2007 |
| 20:29.03 | pickcoder | compare ext2 to ext3 and then decide |
| 20:29.03 | nsadmin | ShapeShifter499: I'm not asking you to install anything right now... |
| 20:29.11 | nsadmin | that command is read only |
| 20:29.18 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin, I have no gdm |
| 20:29.20 | jelly-hme | Raptors: try mounting as ext2 if possible and see |
| 20:29.23 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin, just gdm3 |
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| 20:29.30 | nsadmin | ohh |
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| 20:29.36 | nsadmin | , versions gdm3 |
| 20:29.36 | judd | gdm3 -- sid: 2.30.2-4; squeeze: 2.30.2-4 |
| 20:29.54 | nsadmin | so you must have that |
| 20:30.03 | gnarface | where did the #debian-arm channel go? |
| 20:30.03 | streuner | sheepz: a pretty old Debian kernel, why do you use it at all still? |
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| 20:30.10 | pallgone | ,versions wine |
| 20:30.13 | judd | wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 20:30.13 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin, and moving to old gdm seems to want to delete my dnome-desktop-environment |
| 20:30.17 | streuner | !listvals debian-arm |
| 20:30.18 | sheepz | i actually run it in a virtual machine |
| 20:30.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian-arm' by value (2): arm ;; armel. |
| 20:30.20 | jelly-hme | Raptors: if speed really matters, consider spending a little dough for eSATA connectivity |
| 20:30.20 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin, ya |
| 20:30.23 | streuner | !arm |
| 20:30.23 | dpkg | ARM is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture. Devices supported by the Debian arm port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, to oftc |
| 20:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Possibly oftc. |
| 20:30.33 | ShapeShifter499 | *gnome |
| 20:30.36 | gnarface | thanks |
| 20:30.37 | sheepz | it is a linux build for processing some soap messages securely |
| 20:30.45 | sheepz | i do not know much about |
| 20:30.46 | pallgone | ew, sid and squeeze both have 1.0.1 |
| 20:31.03 | Raptors | jelly-hme, I can't really do that because I just got this drive a couple days ago... |
| 20:31.04 | ShapeShifter499 | so no one knows how to theme the login screen in gdm3?? |
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| 20:31.22 | Raptors | $80 for 1TB western digital. |
| 20:31.32 | streuner | cheap |
| 20:31.34 | jelly-hme | pallgone: "wine-unstable" package tracks the non-stable versions (odd minor version number, 1.1, 1.3...) |
| 20:31.41 | ShapeShifter499 | eh I'll google this later |
| 20:31.44 | stew | ShapeShifter499: there should be no problem with removing gnome-desktop-environment |
| 20:31.57 | sheepz | streuner: could upgrading the kernel possibly breka it? |
| 20:31.59 | sheepz | break* |
| 20:32.10 | jelly-hme | Raptors: I had a single external cheap WD disk once. |
| 20:32.23 | jelly-hme | Raptors: used it as backup. It died. |
| 20:32.23 | Raptors | What happened to it? |
| 20:32.27 | Raptors | :\ |
| 20:32.28 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: well I might(just might) loose the auto updates to gnome |
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| 20:32.33 | pallgone | jelly-hme: ah yeah, now I remember... sid has the 1.1 unstable |
| 20:32.35 | streuner | sheepz: i have no idea what you doing at all, but a more up-date kernel wouldnt be bad, i think. |
| 20:32.41 | Raptors | jelly-hme, this one got great reviews though. |
| 20:32.47 | jelly-hme | Raptors: now I have two from different vendors in a RAID1 |
| 20:32.52 | moldovean | ShapeShifter499, i'm on squeeze , i have gdm , and i have gdm themes ...and i don't have gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 20:33.02 | jelly-hme | pallgone: quite an old one too. |
| 20:33.05 | nsadmin | ShapeShifter499 which pkg mgr are you using? |
| 20:33.19 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin synaptic |
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| 20:33.32 | nsadmin | which is a front end for aptitude I guess |
| 20:33.46 | innociv | My IP on DNS ends in .66, for my mail server an web server setup. But mailer daemon error logs return the ip as .69. Why's this? I'm using postfix. Is there some way to make sure they're sent out under the .66 ip? |
| 20:33.47 | jelly-hme | pallgone: there was a guy 1-2 days ago here with wine-unstable 1.3.0-something version but he wouldn't divulge where he got _that_ from |
| 20:33.54 | stew | nsadmin: no, for libapt (which aptitude and apt-get are frontands for) |
| 20:34.05 | Raptors | jelly-hme, the wine packages in debian are not really that updated, I have sid and last I checked it still had 1.1 :\ |
| 20:34.06 | pallgone | jelly-hme: well, they call that 1.2, and it's stable on winehq, so... |
| 20:34.24 | jelly-hme | pallgone: no, 1.2 is different from 1.3 |
| 20:34.40 | jelly-hme | pallgone: 1.0, 1.2 = stable releases. 1.1, 1.3 = devel |
| 20:34.43 | pallgone | jelly-hme: 1.1 = 1.2 |
| 20:34.59 | pallgone | hmm |
| 20:35.01 | Raptors | someone on debian forum linked me ot the debs of wine 1.3 and I've been using that for a while now |
| 20:35.02 | jelly-hme | only for certain values of 1.1 |
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| 20:35.05 | nsadmin | stew: so it has its own independent deb resolution system? |
| 20:35.22 | jelly-hme | Raptors: url! |
| 20:35.23 | pallgone | jelly-hme: seems to be a mess |
| 20:35.24 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions wine |
| 20:35.26 | judd | wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 20:35.38 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:35.38 | jelly-hme | pallgone: mess? even = stable, odd = devel |
| 20:35.40 | nsadmin | pallgone: but only for really huge values of 1.1 |
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| 20:35.55 | pallgone | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 20:35.57 | judd | wine-unstable -- sid: 1.1.32-1+b1 |
| 20:35.59 | jelly-hme | pallgone: it's what Linux kernel used for like 10 years |
| 20:36.03 | ShapeShifter499 | eh I got to go |
| 20:36.04 | Raptors | jelly-hme, http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
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| 20:36.21 | jelly-hme | Raptors: thanks |
| 20:36.31 | ShapeShifter499 | I'll tackle this some other time byebye everyone |
| 20:36.33 | pallgone | jelly-hme: ok, I'm a noob anyway :) |
| 20:37.27 | pallgone | so some version of 1.1 is 1.2? |
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| 20:40.35 | jelly-hme | pallgone: I think you'll get better answer in #winehq |
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| 20:44.57 | tisepti | im making a package that overwrites a broken udev rule from another package (that i dont maintain). when i first test installed it i was presented with the option to overwrite & keep the old one. I chose to keep the old one. Reinstalling the package, removing the package, none of it is presenting me with those options again |
| 20:45.06 | tisepti | how can i either force the choice to be made again |
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| 20:45.22 | tisepti | or is there a prefered template for this sort of thing - replacing other packages broken config |
| 20:45.44 | jelly-hme | tisepti: are you reinstalling the very same version? |
| 20:45.56 | tisepti | of my package - yes |
| 20:45.57 | stew | tisepti: debian policy would tell you to never overwrite another package's config. if the package is broken, fix the package |
| 20:46.25 | jelly-hme | tisepti: dpkg doesn't deal well with that, it will use old {post,re}{rm,inst} scripts |
| 20:46.49 | jelly-hme | tisepti: so purge your stuff first and revert the config manually if need by |
| 20:46.53 | jelly-hme | be* |
| 20:47.02 | tisepti | cant - its a commercial library that doesn't 'officially' support the new udev |
| 20:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tisepti, dpkg --purge <package> ? |
| 20:47.13 | tisepti | submitted the changes to them |
| 20:47.19 | tisepti | dont expect them to do anything |
| 20:47.31 | jelly-hme | it's obviously a local package and doesn't need to conform to policy |
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| 20:48.18 | jelly-hme | tisepti: also -- you could take over the file completely and point the orig. package elsewhere with dpkg-divert |
| 20:48.49 | jelly-hme | there are various dirty and more dirty tricks that can be done |
| 20:49.20 | jelly-hme | tisepti: dirtiest probably being editing the other package /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.list |
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| 20:49.29 | ksk | hello there |
| 20:49.36 | tisepti | dkpg --purge doesnt do anything; my package doesnt have pre or post inst |
| 20:49.50 | tisepti | um - my udev knowlage is a bit weak |
| 20:49.55 | tisepti | does it work if i simply leave theirs there |
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| 20:50.00 | jelly-hme | tisepti: you should clean up after yourself in postrm |
| 20:50.10 | ksk | is there a cool way to edit /etc/motd as a normal user? |
| 20:50.14 | tisepti | & give the fix a new name? |
| 20:50.36 | jelly-hme | tisepti: hell no, are you going to give it a new name every time you make a change? |
| 20:50.54 | tisepti | well - a new name that my package can manage |
| 20:50.59 | jelly-hme | tisepti: if you don't have a postinst, when the hell are you making those changes? |
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| 20:51.58 | tisepti | what changes? the package's job is simple - dump a new conf file into udev |
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| 20:53.03 | jelly-home | tisepti: oh, a competely new file? I thought you were messing with another package in yours. |
| 20:53.23 | jelly-home | "overwrites a broken udev rule from another package " |
| 20:53.34 | foetus | extracting this adobe masters collection over samba to my desktop (win) -- works like a charme, lenny is still workin..:) |
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| 20:55.14 | jelly-home | tisepti: I'd have done that in postinst, when "$1" == configure. and reverted in prerm, "$1" == remove. That's not completely correct, but enough for a basic hack. |
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| 20:56.05 | jelly-home | tisepti: so when you dpkg --remove your package, it reverts its changes and leaves the system in the initial state |
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| 20:56.38 | tisepti | what so dont let dpkg manage the overwritting - force the issue by just scripting the changes in the prerm & postinst? |
| 20:57.37 | jelly-home | tisepti: you want to make your changes reversible in some way. |
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| 20:57.40 | stew | tisepti: because debian's policy says that one package should never be trying to alter another package's config file. if that needs to happen, the package owning the config file needs to make available an interface to request the changes |
| 20:58.10 | jelly-home | stew: I think he's past that point |
| 20:58.26 | stew | its the answer to "why not let dpkg..." |
| 20:58.46 | jelly-home | tisepti: if you're replacing the file from some other package, use dpkg-divert |
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| 20:59.22 | jelly-home | tisepti: if you're patching it, do it whichever way. |
| 20:59.24 | foetus | ok, bye |
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| 21:00.12 | tisepti | hmm - looks like divert might do it - but ill have to read a bit more about its usage |
| 21:00.21 | jelly-home | tisepti: if you use something like Replaces to take ownership of the file or $DEITY forbid use --force-overwrite, then the file will be lost upon removal of your package. |
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| 21:04.08 | jelly-home | tisepti: ugly but... preinst http://pastebin.com/Yv0B2Dzk and postrm http://pastebin.com/R0k0xqf8 for something similar |
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| 21:05.00 | jelly-home | tisepti: this package, "squirrelmail-cn", used to divert some of the files from "squirrelmail" package. |
| 21:05.53 | jelly-home | tisepti: pick eg. /usr/share/squirrelmail/locale/hr_HR/LC_MESSAGES/squirrelmail.po and the managing of "$1", and ignore the rest |
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| 21:16.25 | thomasp_ | when editing crontab with 'crontab -e' how do I save it? with :w like vi or otherwise? |
| 21:17.16 | greycat | crontab -e just runs whatever your editor is, which could be vi, or nano, or anything you define as $EDITOR |
| 21:17.28 | greycat | so first you have to figure out what editor you're in |
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| 21:17.53 | thomasp_ | I'm in vi |
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| 21:18.07 | Raptors | Hey guys, how do you create a 2nd x server? |
| 21:18.11 | greycat | then standard vi commands (ESC :wq Enter is one way) |
| 21:18.22 | greycat | I generally use ESC ZZ |
| 21:18.30 | thomasp_ | alright. it's just confusing when it says /tmp/contab.[something] written |
| 21:18.42 | greycat | :w writes but does not quit |
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| 21:18.53 | greycat | you need :q to quit (or several other alternatives) |
| 21:19.03 | thomasp_ | sure, I just didn't know if it'd save my changes or not. thanks |
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| 21:33.33 | ugly | when I turn off my laptop screen with 'xset dpms force off', it shuts off just fine, but within a minute it turns back on without me touching anything - what could be causing this? I'm running GNOME with openbox |
| 21:34.04 | ugly | (alternatively, is there any other good way of forcing it off than with that command?) |
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| 21:43.37 | h0ho | hey guys im trying to install flash plugin for iceweasel, i tried the Swfdec way but the videos still aint working :( any ideas? |
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| 21:51.15 | paxcoder | ogv videos from DebConf10 won't play in (GNOME) mplayer in squeeze, anyone noticed? |
| 21:52.12 | paxcoder | technically they play, but palette is screwed up or something, so practically - no video |
| 21:56.29 | themill | paxcoder: mplayer is known to have issues, yes. xine backends seem happier. http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Videoteam/stream_issues |
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| 21:57.10 | paxcoder | i love the M. but checking link. |
| 21:57.36 | craigevil | !tell h0ho about adobe flash |
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| 22:00.37 | bartzy_ | Hi, I have a question about bash, is it legal to ask here ? :) |
| 22:00.37 | h0ho | thanks craigevil :D |
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| 22:01.47 | moldovean | see #bash |
| 22:01.57 | bartzy_ | thanks |
| 22:02.00 | paxcoder | themill, got any clue why? i thought all these (save vlc) used same drivers (gstreamer ones). |
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| 22:03.31 | themill | mplayer uses a different backend again |
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| 22:04.41 | paxcoder | didn't know. i just know about the front end... how come you know all this stuff, Debian mailing lists or something? |
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| 22:05.40 | themill | short answer: "apt-cache show mplayer"; long answer, I fiddle with multimedia packages as part of the multimedia team. |
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| 22:06.26 | paxcoder | oh. didn't know you did that. cool. |
| 22:06.52 | beardy | themill is a multimedia fiddler? |
| 22:07.23 | paxcoder | beardy, i'd guess he's in more than one team. |
| 22:07.51 | beardy | suspects it too |
| 22:08.45 | beardy | Btw, I wonder what plays the videos in my browser for me.. |
| 22:08.47 | craigevil | the videos I have tried all work in mplayer, but vlc gives weird errors, this is on sid, vlc gives errors like Blocked call to unsetenv, this is the Defcon videos |
| 22:09.14 | beardy | Maybe the vlc browser plugin, no idea, I just noticed it did.. |
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| 22:10.22 | paxcoder | craigevil, vlc plays em in squeeze |
| 22:10.30 | craigevil | gecko-mediaplayer in sid plays the vids in Firefox, cant get any of them to play in Chrome |
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| 22:11.20 | craigevil | i dont have the vlc plugin installed, tried opening a link in vlc no go, opening it in mplayer and it plays fine |
| 22:11.47 | craigevil | watching http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2010/debconf10/low/1255_Free_software_for_replacing_Skype.ogv in Firefox atm |
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| 22:12.03 | paxcoder | hehe |
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| 22:15.27 | h0ho | any ideas http://pastebin.com/xKxg04r6 |
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| 22:16.29 | craigevil | h0ho: aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 22:16.35 | paxcoder | themill, you wouldn't be on the webteam also, would you? |
| 22:16.36 | beardy | I recommend the "player piano" video. |
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| 22:17.05 | paxcoder | beardy, watching "Antifeatures" now, what's yours about? |
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| 22:18.13 | beardy | paxcoder: It's about auto playing pianos, and about a virtual organ in a NYC church running Debian. Great guy to listen to. |
| 22:18.44 | beardy | paxcoder: About patents and copyright, similarities with such pianos, standards, and Free software. |
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| 22:18.52 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 22:19.09 | dboehmer | i am having problems with a intel gigabit nic |
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| 22:19.36 | dboehmer | it works fine but only with 100 mbit/s... if i select 1000 mbit there is no link |
| 22:19.47 | dboehmer | it autonegotiates to 100 mbit |
| 22:19.57 | dboehmer | the cable and switch are perfectly okay |
| 22:20.24 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.34 | dboehmer | moldovean, yes, it is |
| 22:20.50 | beardy | Your cable is capable of gigabit? |
| 22:20.57 | dboehmer | with my laptop and the same cable on the same port connect i have 1000 mbit flawlessly |
| 22:21.40 | dboehmer | i've read some forums thread by a fedora user who experienced exactly the same problem |
| 22:22.06 | dboehmer | for him problem was solved by switching to newer fedora version |
| 22:22.15 | dboehmer | so i guess it's some kernel issue |
| 22:22.20 | beardy | dboehmer: Lenny? |
| 22:22.26 | dboehmer | the intel board is not that old to expect hardware problems |
| 22:22.32 | dboehmer | beardy, squeeze |
| 22:22.44 | dboehmer | thus i cannot use unstable kernel images:-) |
| 22:23.15 | beardy | dboehmer: If you have time/want to you could build one. |
| 22:24.32 | beardy | dboehmer: Can the module be built separately? You could rebuild only that if so, to test. Or boot something else on the machine, with a newer kernel. |
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| 22:25.45 | dboehmer | beardy, i would like to solve this issue without doing to many reboots or even booting another OS. this is my desktop which runs 24/7 and *many* applications are running which i don't like to restore:) |
| 22:26.02 | dboehmer | beardy, as the driver is compiled as module i could rebuild and load it |
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| 22:27.39 | dboehmer | beardy, can you recommend some way to do that? or some particular version? |
| 22:29.12 | beardy | dboehmer: I'm afraid I can't. Investigate which kernel this fedora guy got it working with? |
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| 22:29.53 | s5s | what was the command to see what package provides a utility? |
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| 22:30.33 | dondelelcaro | s5s: apt-file, packages.debian.org, etc. |
| 22:30.49 | simonrvn | was about to say, which one? *g* |
| 22:31.00 | beardy | s5s: and apt-cache search |
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| 22:32.45 | Gijs | hey all |
| 22:32.50 | Gijs | how can i use wildcards in iptables? |
| 22:32.57 | Gijs | so if i wanna block ip 12.34.567.* on port: 5555 and ip: 25.65.855.555 (Server IP) |
| 22:33.32 | beardy | dboehmer: It might also be worth to try asking in ##linux or ##networking since it's a kernel issue, probably. |
| 22:33.33 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: that's just -s 12.34.123.0/24 |
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| 22:34.15 | Gijs | why 24? |
| 22:34.19 | beardy | !cidr |
| 22:34.20 | dpkg | from memory, cidr is Classless Inter-Domain Routing, see RFC1517/1518/1519/1520.. See http://www.sput.nl/software/cidr-routing.html maybe, or and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR, or http://docs.google.com/View?id=ajhrzck79vcg_76dsfd8t4b |
| 22:34.35 | beardy | Gijs: ^^¨ |
| 22:34.49 | ScottG | How would I go about using my bluetooth headset as a microphone? |
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| 22:35.36 | Gijs | i mean why 25 and not 225? |
| 22:36.01 | pickcoder | dboehmer: what does ethtool and/or mii-tool say about the link and media capabilities |
| 22:36.16 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: If you can pair it, it should show up as an available device in the mixer. |
| 22:36.21 | beardy | Gijs: Those IP addresses are also nonexistent. |
| 22:36.43 | Gijs | ok. |
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| 22:36.53 | zinx | Gijs: 24 because 24 bits is 3 octets |
| 22:36.59 | Gijs | ahh |
| 22:37.08 | Gijs | thanks :) |
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| 22:37.18 | Gijs | easy lol just replace all * with 0/24 |
| 22:37.20 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: ok let me see |
| 22:37.35 | beardy | Gijs: Not really, it depends on the range you want to match. |
| 22:37.45 | Gijs | oh |
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| 22:37.51 | Gijs | so it is 0/225 |
| 22:37.52 | beardy | Gijs: For a whole "class C" subnet, /24 |
| 22:37.54 | Gijs | thats all |
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| 22:38.08 | Gijs | i want ALL so * means 0 / 225 |
| 22:38.16 | simonrvn | 255 |
| 22:38.20 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: It's a different format of notation indicating how many bits in the bitmask. |
| 22:38.23 | beardy | Gijs: You have to read more about CIDR. |
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| 22:38.49 | Gijs | well i guess that i just do 255 then to block all 0/255 numbers |
| 22:38.52 | Gijs | right |
| 22:38.53 | Gijs | ? |
| 22:38.57 | jhutchins_lt | NO. |
| 22:38.59 | Gijs | . |
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| 22:39.06 | beardy | Gijs: The /number means how many bits you care about, from the maximum of 32 bits. |
| 22:39.20 | jhutchins_lt | /24 = netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:39.32 | Gijs | i really dont understand it |
| 22:39.35 | simonrvn | 192.168.0.0 to 192.168.0.255 == 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 22:39.42 | Gijs | ahhh |
| 22:39.47 | Gijs | see that i understand |
| 22:39.51 | s5s | apart from installing autofs and rebooting is there anything else I need to do? Where are the drivers mounted? I read it's in var? |
| 22:39.53 | beardy | Please read the links dpkg gave you. |
| 22:39.57 | Gijs | so numbers 0/255 is just 0/24 |
| 22:40.09 | beardy | Gijs: Only in the last octet. |
| 22:40.10 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: NO! |
| 22:40.23 | simonrvn | no, dude |
| 22:40.25 | Gijs | but then what if i wanna block 192.168.*.* ? |
| 22:40.33 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: then it's 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 22:40.36 | simonrvn | 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 22:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody have a guide to that format? |
| 22:40.55 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 22:40.58 | beardy | Gijs: Then you care about the first 16 bits, and you get a CIDR mask like they said above. |
| 22:41.06 | Gijs | and let me guess 192.0.0.0/8 is 192.*.*.* ? |
| 22:41.14 | simonrvn | yes |
| 22:41.18 | beardy | Gijs: Correct. |
| 22:41.27 | Gijs | good :) |
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| 22:41.39 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing |
| 22:42.09 | simonrvn | http://is.gd/emg4f |
| 22:42.35 | Gijs | one more thing lol |
| 22:42.53 | Gijs | 192.0.0.0/24 is 192.168.2.* ? |
| 22:43.03 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:43.08 | Gijs | 32? |
| 22:43.18 | tharkun | The other day someone kindly pointed me to a simpler to set up program that does the same thing as cfengine? I lost the piece of paper that had it written down and the logs weren't set up properly can anyone help me out please? |
| 22:43.18 | Gijs | 192.0.0.0/32 is 192.168.2.* ? |
| 22:43.22 | simonrvn | don't guess. go find out. |
| 22:43.35 | Gijs | thats the only thing i wanna know please help. |
| 22:43.36 | beardy | Gijs: It's 192.0.0.0-255, go study CIDR. |
| 22:43.52 | Gijs | omg now i dont understand anything -.- |
| 22:43.55 | Gijs | nvm |
| 22:44.09 | Gijs | i am sure you guys will direct me to a cidr guide |
| 22:44.20 | beardy | Gijs: 192.168.2.* is in CIDR notation 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 22:44.34 | Gijs | i said that |
| 22:44.39 | Gijs | <Gijs> 192.0.0.0/24 is 192.168.2.* ? |
| 22:44.39 | Gijs | <simonrvn> no |
| 22:44.49 | simonrvn | no. you made a typo then |
| 22:44.50 | dboehmer | pickcoder, i have just installed the latest e1000e driver from sourceforge |
| 22:44.55 | beardy | No, you said it was the only thing you wanted to know, and you didn't say what I said. |
| 22:44.56 | Gijs | i typed it wrong |
| 22:45.06 | beardy | That makes quite a difference. |
| 22:45.12 | tharkun | Gijs: 192.0.0.* != 192.168.2.* |
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| 22:45.26 | dboehmer | pickcoder, ethtool reports up to 1000 mbit both for supported and advertised link modes |
| 22:45.30 | pickcoder | Gijs: each octet is 8bits and you masking off bits that must match.. that is not the same as subnet masking |
| 22:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR_notation |
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| 22:46.07 | pickcoder | dboehmer: what is the current link speed then? |
| 22:46.10 | tharkun | ,versions puppet |
| 22:46.11 | judd | puppet -- etch: 0.20.1-1; lenny: 0.24.5-3; lenny-backports: 0.25.4-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.0-2; squeeze: 2.6.0-2 |
| 22:46.17 | dboehmer | behavior is like before: autonegotiation detects 100 mbit. when set to 1000 link fails and 100 becomes fallback |
| 22:46.38 | dboehmer | pickcoder, 100 mbit as always. also reported by the switch's LED |
| 22:46.56 | pickcoder | dboehmer: did you have the card in windoze box with the intel driver? |
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| 22:47.41 | pickcoder | the only thing I can think of is the firmware is set to fixed 100MB so it won't autoneg under Linux |
| 22:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: Here, this is even better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_subnetting_reference |
| 22:48.08 | dboehmer | pickcoder, i cannot say for sure. possibly i tried some windows games after purchasing the box before installing linux. however linux has been running on that thing for >1year |
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| 22:48.22 | s3a | what's a git repository? |
| 22:48.38 | pickcoder | there is "hardware default" and then there are options to force it to a specific link speed and duplex mode |
| 22:48.42 | dboehmer | pickcoder, how does one change that firmware setting? i expected the driver to have all necessary capabilities |
| 22:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: If you can't figure it out from that page, you can't figure it out. |
| 22:48.55 | pickcoder | I've never been able to get the e1000 to work |
| 22:48.56 | Gijs | i see |
| 22:49.07 | dboehmer | pickcoder, i have forced it by setting it with ethtool. is not enough force? :) |
| 22:49.07 | pickcoder | I usually stick it in a windoze box and reset all the driver attribs |
| 22:49.17 | simonrvn | s3a: a (set of) director(y,ies) under git version contol |
| 22:49.33 | pickcoder | dboehmer: it "says" it works, but when you reboot it goes back to the previous firmware setting |
| 22:49.54 | s3a | simonrvn, what's git version control, and what does the git command do? |
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| 22:50.03 | dboehmer | pickcoder, thanks for that hint but i hope i can solve it in another way. using windows for networking is shameful:( |
| 22:50.10 | simonrvn | it's like subversion, but different |
| 22:50.13 | simonrvn | !vcs |
| 22:50.13 | dpkg | somebody said vcs was version control system (aka revision control system, source code management), a system for managing multiple revisions of information. See <arch>, <cvs>, <darcs>, <git>, <mercurial>, <sccs>, <subversion>. |
| 22:50.15 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: It's like Concurrent Versioning System (CVS). |
| 22:50.20 | simonrvn | ^^ s3a |
| 22:50.22 | beardy | pickcoder, dboehmer, if it sets if, do it in the interface pre-up? |
| 22:50.25 | pickcoder | dboehmer: um.. you only need it to reset the firmware settings |
| 22:50.29 | beardy | sets it* |
| 22:50.36 | dboehmer | pickcoder, well, for me it does not say "it works" for a single second. nothing about reboots and stuff |
| 22:50.39 | pickcoder | make them "auto-neg" or "hardware default" |
| 22:50.42 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: Usually used for software source code. |
| 22:51.03 | simonrvn | i use it for just about anything i see a 'need' for it |
| 22:51.30 | pickcoder | beardy: it's been flakey at best, when I've used e1000 cards. I normally just reset the card in a windows box and stick it back in the machine |
| 22:51.33 | s3a | jhutchins, simonrvn, ok but i'm having trouble understanding what software revision control systems do |
| 22:51.50 | simonrvn | they keep a history of changes to a set of files |
| 22:51.58 | pickcoder | I also remember having similar issues with a specific 3com card |
| 22:52.06 | simonrvn | and you can go back in that history to a previous revision |
| 22:52.06 | pickcoder | too smart for its own good |
| 22:52.10 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: Basically they allow multiple people to "check out" sections of code, then upload them, and they keep track of changes. |
| 22:52.49 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: If you're being referred to one, you're being encouraged to use the raw source code that's in the process of development. |
| 22:52.58 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: Sometimes that's a good thing, some times it's not. |
| 22:53.05 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Well now it won't pair with my laptop at al |
| 22:53.11 | simonrvn | yeh, you can have a whole bunch of people have access to it, either read-only or read/write |
| 22:53.26 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Yeah, I can't get bluetooth working in lenny and can't get a straight answer from the devs. |
| 22:53.34 | s3a | jhutchins, do you mean like two people editing source code simultaneously? |
| 22:53.58 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: It usually tries to prevent that. |
| 22:54.16 | simonrvn | s3a: yes, but there's a certain workflow to this too, so people don't have conflicting changes. |
| 22:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: If someone "checks out" a file, it can "lock" that file so nobody else can make changes. |
| 22:54.24 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I'm on squeeze. It was working alright for a while. Won't now, though. Gonna try another kernel |
| 22:54.37 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:54.38 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:54.50 | ScottG | My own kernel :) |
| 22:55.04 | ScottG | vanilla |
| 22:55.05 | s3a | jhujhiti, simonrvn, so git cloning is have read-only access whether or not someone is editing it? |
| 22:55.14 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Yeah, I'm just checking because there are a couple of items that I'm waiting for. |
| 22:55.25 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Working Intel video. |
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| 22:55.39 | simonrvn | s3a: a git clone is creating a local copy of the repo |
| 22:55.47 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: one of the simplest, rock-solid, always-worked-in-linux chipsets and they had to go and bust it all up. |
| 22:55.53 | simonrvn | brb |
| 22:56.21 | s3a | simonrvn, what's the difference between making a local copy of a repository and downloading the source code the normal way? |
| 22:56.47 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I actually don't think I have my video drivers working for my ATI card. They should be enabled in the kernel. Hm |
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| 22:58.11 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: lspci -k doesn't show my graphics card having any modules loaded for it |
| 22:58.45 | simonrvn | s3a: phone |
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| 22:59.29 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: There's no real need for a kernel driver unless you're trying to get GUI effects in a console. |
| 22:59.38 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: ... which is why we have X, so who needs it? |
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| 23:00.49 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: Having a clone allows you to use the git tools to manage it, update it, etc. |
| 23:01.33 | s3a | jhutchins, so git is heavily used with open source programs? |
| 23:01.41 | simonrvn | yup, fork it (have your own changes, push it to another repo, etc.), or what jhutchins_lt said |
| 23:01.47 | s3a | jhutchins_lt, so git is heavily used with open source programs? |
| 23:02.02 | simonrvn | s3a: it's very popular. started off with the kernel people |
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| 23:02.57 | stew | git is certainly gaining popularity faster than any other. I'd guess that svn is the most popular, but it won't be for long |
| 23:03.20 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 23:03.41 | simonrvn | i took to git like a duck to water |
| 23:03.45 | stew | s3a: if you keep a local repository, sharing your changes with others, or with the original author will be easier. getting new code from the original author and re-integrating your changes will be easier |
| 23:03.47 | SineDeviance | *sigh* if it's not one thing it's another |
| 23:04.08 | stew | i've seen ducks take to water. they really do |
| 23:04.24 | tharkun | stew: "getting new code from the original author and re-integrating your changes will be easier" what man page should i start reading? |
| 23:04.36 | SineDeviance | hi all. i am running a debian lenny server. i am trying to make samba play nice with my windows 7 install. it was working before but i had to move my server to a different box, and now i cant get windows to see my new server AT ALL in the network window. |
| 23:04.49 | s5s | what has happened with xpdf in Squeeze? |
| 23:04.51 | SineDeviance | i used the same smb.conf from the old box |
| 23:05.01 | stew | tharkun: git-pull (which is git-fetch + git-merge) |
| 23:05.12 | SineDeviance | i also installed swat and tried messing around with that, but i'm nowhere so far |
| 23:05.13 | tharkun | stew: Next beer is on me |
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| 23:05.26 | SineDeviance | how do i get windows to SEE the box? |
| 23:05.40 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Well I can't think of any other reason as to why it was working with the same devices before but it isn't now |
| 23:05.56 | s5s | !windows SineDeviance |
| 23:05.56 | dpkg | This is #Debian, SineDeviance, not #bungholes! |
| 23:05.57 | stew | s5s: /msg dpkg why is xpdf not in testing |
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| 23:06.26 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Oh you were referring to my commend about ati drivers. Well what if I wanted to play a game? |
| 23:06.36 | s5s | !xpdf |
| 23:06.36 | dpkg | from memory, xpdf is a Portable Document Format viewer for X11, packaged for Debian. http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/ . Ask me about <pdf> for alternative viewers. |
| 23:06.39 | SineDeviance | s5s: so? the packages concerned are running on debian. don't just push me away because im trying to connect to the box from windows. it worked before and plus it shouldnt matter. |
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| 23:07.13 | simonrvn | ask in #samba maybe |
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| 23:08.20 | s5s | SineDeviance: I don't want to start a dispute but your question reads: "How do I tell Windows..." Well that's a windows specific question :) |
| 23:08.54 | SineDeviance | s5s: no, i said how do i make windows see the box, as in, what settings do i need to configure on the DEBIAN BOX to make windows see it. i thought this was easy to understand. |
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| 23:09.14 | beardy | SineDeviance: Is the new windows box in the same "workgroup" or what they call it, as your samba server? |
| 23:09.33 | SineDeviance | beardy: yeah. the config on the new box is identical to the old one. it' |
| 23:09.37 | SineDeviance | er ... it's just not working |
| 23:09.44 | SineDeviance | samba doesn't seem to be showing itself on the network |
| 23:09.54 | beardy | SineDeviance: You have network connectivity, ping, ssh? |
| 23:10.00 | SineDeviance | beardy: yep. |
| 23:10.04 | SineDeviance | it's just samba |
| 23:10.19 | SineDeviance | i installed the samba package from the repos. was there another package i needed? |
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| 23:11.02 | SineDeviance | when i did this before, i installed samba, setup my smb.conf, rebooted, and it basically just worked |
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| 23:11.15 | beardy | SineDeviance: The samba factoid mentions a backport. |
| 23:11.19 | beardy | !tell SineDeviance about samba |
| 23:11.37 | beardy | SineDeviance: Maybe Windows 7 has fsked itself. |
| 23:11.40 | SineDeviance | beardy: well, last time i did use the package from the regular repos, not the backported. it's not the version, it's something else |
| 23:11.41 | Malf | SineDeviance: I'm coming in a bit late but, for what it's worth, when I've moved samba configs from an old debian install over to a new one I've often run into issues where config settings in one version of samba just didn't work in whatever version was installed on the new machine |
| 23:11.57 | SineDeviance | Malf: hmm... okay |
| 23:12.22 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: Which release are you on? |
| 23:12.23 | SineDeviance | Malf: btw, i just installed the other debian install two days ago. so... they're the same packages and such |
| 23:12.28 | Malf | ahh okay |
| 23:12.34 | SineDeviance | jhutchins_lt: lenny |
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| 23:13.13 | Malf | You just have one box up with the same config another box used to have (meaning you aren't running both at once) right? |
| 23:13.14 | SineDeviance | is there something i have to do to make samba 'announce' itself on the network? everything else it setup |
| 23:13.45 | SineDeviance | Malf: yeah. the other box was taken off the network |
| 23:13.45 | simonrvn | try to connect to the thing? |
| 23:13.55 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: Windows browsing is a complicated topic, it's not easy to understand and explain. |
| 23:14.17 | SineDeviance | simonrvn: i tried to connect to it and it fails. but i can connect to putty, browse the website on the server, etc. no problem. it's JUST samba. |
| 23:14.25 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: There are browser elections, master browsers, and that's entirely seperate from questions about workgroups and domains. |
| 23:14.27 | SineDeviance | er, ssh, not putty lol |
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| 23:14.50 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: Basically you need to have the domain/workgroup settings the same, you have to have wins running, and your shares need to be browsable. |
| 23:15.00 | SineDeviance | jhutchins_lt: once again ... it worked just an hour ago for the old box, nothing in windows 7 has changed, etc etc, this is definitely a problem with samba on the new box. |
| 23:15.06 | stew | SineDeviance: shares don't announce themselves. they are discovered by a browser |
| 23:15.10 | simonrvn | yeh. it's rather tedious, but easy. |
| 23:15.14 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: Exploring the configuration options with swat and the samba-doc package installed is a good way to figure it out. |
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| 23:15.28 | SineDeviance | also i did set the netbios name of the new box to something different from the old one so that's not the problem either |
| 23:15.45 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: No, it's not definitely a problem with samba, it's very likely that the W7 box is still asking the old server where things are in the WINS directory. |
| 23:16.02 | ma3x | does anybody know why firefox/iceweasel-bpo looks so ugly? it seems debian has some trouble with libcairo2? |
| 23:16.04 | stew | SineDeviance: have you tried making your samba server the master browser? |
| 23:16.09 | SineDeviance | no, because they're two totally different servers, and i have wins disabled because this server is on staticIP |
| 23:16.17 | stew | if there isn't a master browser, or if the existing master browser is just goofed up |
| 23:16.22 | ma3x | i tried the backport of iceweasel and many sites look ugly |
| 23:16.27 | SineDeviance | the names of the servers are different, everything is different, they only use the same smb.conf. |
| 23:16.27 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: You have wins disabled and you wonder why you can't browse? |
| 23:16.38 | jhutchins_lt | is gonna go get food, this is just silly. |
| 23:16.43 | SineDeviance | jhutchins_lt: wins is only needed for DHCP clients, not static. |
| 23:16.50 | Malf | Vista browses to my machine via samba just fine and I have WINS off also |
| 23:16.54 | Malf | yeah with a static IP setup |
| 23:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: wins has nothing to do with DHCP. |
| 23:17.08 | SineDeviance | i have wins disabled on samba, not on win7, let me clarify that |
| 23:17.14 | Malf | right |
| 23:17.22 | SineDeviance | jhutchins_lt: <Malf> Vista browses to my machine via samba just fine and I have WINS off also <-- look here. |
| 23:17.32 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: Suggest you research Windows Browsing at http://microsoft.com |
| 23:17.39 | SineDeviance | oh lawd |
| 23:17.41 | SineDeviance | okay, i' |
| 23:17.48 | jhutchins_lt | SineDeviance: Seriously. |
| 23:17.59 | SineDeviance | i'll go ask in #samba, thanks. this is obviously a problem with the new box. bye. |
| 23:18.15 | jordanm | SineDeviance: to be a bit more specific, that autodiscovery and browsing is done by using the very "chatty" netbios protocol |
| 23:18.15 | stew | not obviously |
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| 23:18.25 | stew | could be a problem with whatever machine is the browser |
| 23:18.25 | jhutchins_lt | Or you could ask some OTHER MSCE, and he'd probably tell you the same thing. |
| 23:18.55 | SineDeviance | jhutchins_lt: for the last freaking time, this has nothing to do with windows. i can't access the shares from other linux boxes either. it's a problem with the server. |
| 23:18.59 | Malf | yeah as long as the network configuration hasn't changed |
| 23:19.03 | jordanm | SineDeviance: WINS was basically replaced by DNS |
| 23:19.05 | Malf | the WINS piece shouldn't matter |
| 23:19.08 | jhutchins_lt | Working DNS would probably be your best bet. |
| 23:19.23 | stew | SineDeviance: which machine is acting as the master browser? |
| 23:19.40 | stew | SineDeviance: like when windows machines or linux machines are trying to find out which shares are on the network, which machine are they asking? |
| 23:19.46 | SineDeviance | stew: uh... windows i guess? |
| 23:19.59 | stew | SineDeviance: then how does it have nothing ot do with windows? |
| 23:20.30 | SineDeviance | stew: look, i dont know what the master browser is |
| 23:20.43 | stew | but you are sure you know what the problem is |
| 23:20.55 | SineDeviance | all i know, is that i set this up identically before, two days ago, and it has worked just fine from any box in my house i've tried to connect to it from |
| 23:21.04 | stew | SineDeviance: http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id2581357 |
| 23:21.08 | SineDeviance | but now, i can't connect to it from ANY box in my house, windows 7, xp, linux, doesnt matter |
| 23:22.01 | stew | SineDeviance: if you are sure that linux is the problem, and linux is setup identically than it was before. then what could we possibly tell you? |
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| 23:22.09 | jordanm | never bothered with zeroconf or autodiscovery stuff, because setting up a local DNS actually sounded easier |
| 23:22.10 | SineDeviance | so that would lead me to believe that the problem is something in the samba server |
| 23:22.52 | jordanm | and I used bind! |
| 23:23.32 | beardy | SineDeviance: Connecting to it is not possible then? \\x.x.x.x\sharename ? |
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| 23:23.48 | SineDeviance | beardy: no. thats what i've been trying to tell everyone! |
| 23:23.50 | SineDeviance | lol :D |
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| 23:24.16 | Malf | SineDeviance: Can you browse to that machine (forget the sharename for now) from itself via smbclient or potentially a UI you have setup on that box? |
| 23:24.17 | jelly-home | SineDeviance: is smbd running at all? |
| 23:24.24 | SineDeviance | to the other computers in the house, the samba box just doesn't exist |
| 23:24.45 | SineDeviance | jelly-home: yes, smbd and nmbd are both running |
| 23:24.45 | stew | SineDeviance: can they ping it? |
| 23:24.59 | beardy | asked about connecticity first thing.. |
| 23:25.16 | SineDeviance | stew: can ping, yes. i can use ssh to login to the machine and do whatever i need to do. i can browse the website setup on the machine. but i cant access the shares. |
| 23:25.34 | jelly-home | SineDeviance: does nmblookup -A ip.ad.dr.es report anything? |
| 23:25.39 | jordanm | SineDeviance: what is error you get when you try to connect with \\x.x.x.x\sharename? |
| 23:25.40 | SineDeviance | Malf: lemme try that, it's an X-less box so i didn't before |
| 23:26.09 | SineDeviance | jordanm: coming up in a sec |
| 23:26.12 | jelly-home | SineDeviance: if it does; check whether you can list any shares using smbclient -L hostname from a linux/unix client |
| 23:26.13 | p3rror | hello |
| 23:26.22 | p3rror | is there anyone experienced with firehol |
| 23:26.36 | beardy | p3rror: Ask your actual question. |
| 23:26.40 | p3rror | yep |
| 23:27.02 | SineDeviance | jordanm: cannot access shares. unspecified error. |
| 23:27.12 | p3rror | i share a samba server and i need to allow access to it to my clients in LAN side |
| 23:27.28 | SineDeviance | OKAY! now it's suddenly working |
| 23:27.30 | SineDeviance | hmm |
| 23:27.35 | SineDeviance | dunno what changed, but yeah, it's working |
| 23:27.40 | jordanm | SineDeviance: I assume samba keeps some kind of log |
| 23:27.58 | p3rror | beardy, please take a look to my firehol config file |
| 23:28.01 | p3rror | http://pastebin.com/mG0E2KFH |
| 23:28.14 | jelly-home | !win SineDeviance |
| 23:28.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, SineDeviance! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 23:28.19 | SineDeviance | jordanm: i tried \\x.x.x.x\sharename and it wouldnt work. so then i just tried \\x.x.x.x\ and it worked after i gave the credentials |
| 23:28.26 | Malf | yeah |
| 23:28.31 | Malf | share mapping or accounts are probably off then |
| 23:28.37 | SineDeviance | jelly-home: uh ... i live in charlotte NC |
| 23:28.46 | simonrvn | haha |
| 23:28.59 | SineDeviance | or does the bot just pull my info? lol |
| 23:29.14 | stew | that will make the ticket more useful than for most people that win it |
| 23:29.19 | SineDeviance | okay |
| 23:29.21 | jelly-home | *ptui* *pling* |
| 23:29.30 | SineDeviance | thank god that's over with |
| 23:29.37 | SineDeviance | thanks for the help |
| 23:29.46 | simonrvn | stew: haha |
| 23:29.58 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 23:30.55 | SineDeviance | hmm... i wonder why it wouldn't resolve itself via the netbios name like last time? |
| 23:31.45 | beardy | p3rror: So the predefined "samba" service doesn't work? |
| 23:31.56 | billy_ | where do i find a list of the packages in the multi-cd sets so i can download the ones i need? |
| 23:32.01 | jelly-home | I guess you could play with nmblookup and see which machine is the master browser and what it thinks of its workgroup |
| 23:32.08 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 23:32.08 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
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| 23:32.33 | stew | billy_: also the 'jigdo' files are gziped package lists |
| 23:33.09 | p3rror | beardy, do you knwo why ? |
| 23:33.10 | SineDeviance | jelly-home: tbh, i dont think i care. i'm just glad it finally works :D |
| 23:33.46 | beardy | p3rror: Nope. |
| 23:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh holy cow... firmware |
| 23:34.14 | p3rror | beardy, it should work ? do have any idea |
| 23:34.15 | billy_ | thanks |
| 23:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | this house only has wireless! and the installer failed to connect, because, for some weird reason, one has to specify the channel |
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| 23:34.45 | simonrvn | weliaq, er, you're welcome |
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| 23:35.19 | simonrvn | s,aq,oq, |
| 23:35.19 | beardy | p3rror: I'd imagine the one writing it intended for it to work. :) But perhaps it's broken.. firehol is written in bash, so you can see if you find the definition, and have a look, too.. |
| 23:35.26 | Tommy_DO | Hi! Can somebody tell me what the aptitude equivalent is to: "apt-get dselect-upgrade"? |
| 23:35.27 | Fudge | is it impossible to get flash of some kind working on ppc? |
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| 23:36.07 | simonrvn | !gnash |
| 23:36.07 | dpkg | Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:36.33 | stew | Tommy_DO: "aptitude install" should run any previously scheduled actions, if that is what you are trying to do |
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| 23:37.29 | Tommy_DO | stew: it probably is. I wanted to commit the changes I made to a "dpkg --get-selections" output (after setting it again, of course) |
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| 23:37.57 | cheasee | mdadm: device /dev/sda3 not suitable for any style of array - sda3 is 300mb in size, is it too small? |
| 23:38.56 | cheasee | or is it because its the last 300mb of a 1,5tb disk? |
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| 23:43.54 | jelly-home | cheasee: what is the exact command you're trying to run? Which debian release and mdadm package version? |
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| 23:46.02 | cheasee | jelly-home, squeeze/sid ; mdadm v3.0.3 ; mdadm -C /dev/md3 -l 0 -n 4 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3 /dev/sdc3 /dev/sdd3 |
| 23:46.57 | jelly-home | ,versions mdadm |
| 23:46.59 | judd | mdadm -- etch: 2.5.6-9; etch-backports: 2.6.2-1~bpo.1; lenny: 2.6.7.2-3; squeeze: 3.0.3-2; sid: 3.1.2-2.1 |
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| 23:47.06 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: smells of ubu |
| 23:47.42 | jelly-home | cheasee: is that the whole output, "mdadm: device /dev/sda3 not suitable for any style of array"? |
| 23:47.43 | cheasee | ive got squeeze in apt sources.list |
| 23:48.04 | cheasee | jelly-home, correct |
| 23:48.22 | jelly-home | I've no idea what's going on there TBH |
| 23:48.47 | cheasee | me either, thats why im asking :> |
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| 23:49.18 | jpinx-eeepc | cheasee: what's the output of cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 23:49.21 | jelly-home | cheasee: well, you can man four small loopback devices and try to assemble an array from those |
| 23:49.31 | jelly-home | make*, not man |
| 23:50.18 | jelly-home | I don't really see why it wouldn't let you make a 4 member raid0 array apart from it being silly |
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| 23:51.15 | cheasee | jpinx-eeepc, squeeze/sid |
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| 23:51.47 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: if you want to check for ubuntu, ask for libc6 versions or uname -r or lsb_release -a |
| 23:51.48 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: cheasee which version of ubuntu are you running? |
| 23:52.01 | jelly-home | I'm going to trust the user for once |
| 23:52.10 | cheasee | i installed lenny and set squeeze in sources.list to get newer packages.. compiled kernel 2.6.35 myself and am running it atm |
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| 23:53.54 | cheasee | just tried an 'aptitude safe-upgrade', it tells me: Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED feature is disabled in the running kernel. Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev. |
| 23:54.23 | cheasee | should i recompile kernel with that feature disabled? |
| 23:54.29 | cheasee | maybe thats the cause? |
| 23:55.29 | ma3x | does anybody use firefox static on debian? i'm having a layout problem with some sites |
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| 23:55.48 | xyan | cheasee: no, install the 2.6.32 kernel from squeeze before udev |
| 23:56.11 | cheasee | xyan, well i need at least 2.6.34 for truecrypt to work |
| 23:56.36 | cheasee | (because luks isnt really multicore capable) |
| 23:56.57 | cheasee | and i dont want to create a luks container for every core i got |
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| 23:57.18 | xyan | why do you need 2.6.32 for truecrypt? |
| 23:57.38 | cheasee | 2.6.34.. truecrypt told me so |
| 23:57.53 | xyan | argh sorry and it didnt tell you why? |
| 23:58.09 | cheasee | it did, i dont remember actually |
| 23:58.13 | cheasee | sorry |
| 23:58.21 | xyan | well yeah |
| 23:58.47 | xyan | judd: kernels |
| 23:58.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:59.24 | xyan | looks like you have to compile your own |
| 23:59.31 | billy_ | im setting up an offline system and i need to get rid of the access control - its getting in the way |
| 23:59.31 | jhutchins_lt | !tell cheasee about squeeze udev |
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| 23:59.43 | jordanm | !tell cheasee about truecrypt |
| 23:59.57 | jelly-home | cheasee: yeah, just disable that option and rebuild |
| 23:59.58 | cheasee | jordanm, i know, thanks ;) |