| 00:00.03 | plt2 | aptitude no longer exist. |
| 00:00.12 | jordanm | paulfm: you can use the backports kernel, but I think you will also likely need the newer intel driver |
| 00:00.15 | plt2 | taylorassociate:~# aptitude search ~b |
| 00:00.15 | plt2 | -su: /usr/bin/aptitude: No such file or directory |
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| 00:00.56 | paulfm | jordanm: hrmm.... I see...... yikes... well I guess Ill muck with it.... |
| 00:01.19 | paulfm | jordanm: is ther ea way I can do dist upgrade to sid? |
| 00:01.26 | karlpinc | rudi_s: Script it in awk, or your tool of choice. |
| 00:01.29 | jordanm | paulfm: an upgrade to testing might be required in this case |
| 00:01.33 | jordanm | paulfm: I would suggest squeeze |
| 00:01.39 | fdfr | hi all, anyone knows if debian testing netinstall can be installed from an usb stick? i installed testing from the full iso images a couple of times before using an usb stick with syslinux and an hd-media kernel and initrd but with the netinstall it boots but lames about not loading the kernel modules |
| 00:01.47 | gh0st3r | If I have four servers. One of them is the management, Three are general servers. All four are not connected via any LAN only via the internet. I want to make the management server be able to pull SNMP data and such off the other three servers via VPN. I'm trying to use OpenVPN, but as the servers only have a public ip address and a loopback address, im lost on what I would use as the SNMP destination... |
| 00:01.53 | gh0st3r | Any ideas? |
| 00:02.01 | plt2 | Now what? |
| 00:02.09 | jordanm | fdfr: I have heard the daily builds of squeeze were having problems |
| 00:02.10 | paulfm | jordanm: can I upgrade to squeeze at the moment? |
| 00:02.22 | jordanm | plt2: you don't need aptitude to pastebin |
| 00:02.33 | jordanm | paulfm: yes |
| 00:02.40 | plt2 | The output is several mb |
| 00:02.54 | jordanm | !paste |
| 00:02.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:02.55 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: You can use any address you want for the endpoints of the vpn. |
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| 00:03.09 | rudi_s | karlpinc: Thanks. That's what I will do (perl in my case). Just thought there was something out there as it sounds like a pretty common problem for database-like files. |
| 00:03.15 | paulfm | jordanm: Ill give squeeze a go... Am I better off getting the iso... or doing it over the net? |
| 00:03.25 | jordanm | paulfm: just upgrade |
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| 00:03.30 | karlpinc | rudi_s: You could try searching debtags... |
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| 00:03.46 | plt2 | http://pastebin.com/ALNB3Sse |
| 00:03.47 | jordanm | !tell paulfm about udev squeeze |
| 00:04.00 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, but would i use the point-to-point tunnel addresses though? or should i create a second loopback with each server having a unique "loopback" IP and then make the loopback only accessable from the VPN? |
| 00:04.00 | paulfm | jordanm: thanks for all the help |
| 00:04.17 | paulfm | judd: thanks for spotting the kernel mod for me :-) |
| 00:04.20 | rudi_s | karlpinc: debtags? I tried ~dgrep in aptitude but didn't find anything. |
| 00:04.20 | fdfr | jordanm, might be, because all i had to before, was make the stick bootable, get the latest hd-media and copy a testing iso to the thumb drive and after booting it would find that image on the usb and install from there no problemo |
| 00:04.21 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: I'd make each vpn endpoint unique. |
| 00:04.34 | jordanm | plt2: there are lots of errors before that |
| 00:04.36 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, so the point-to-point interface? |
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| 00:04.44 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, sorry the point-to-point address? |
| 00:04.53 | plt2 | That is fare back as I can go |
| 00:04.55 | karlpinc | rudi_s: aptitude install debtags; man debtags ; aptitude search ~Gfoo |
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| 00:05.37 | rudi_s | karlpinc: Thanks. Doesn't look it would find anything else than aptitude in my case though. |
| 00:05.42 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: Sure. Connect the virtual network in any way you like. So long as each endpoint is unique, no problem. |
| 00:06.37 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: Route through a hub, or mesh the whole thing so everything talks to everything. |
| 00:06.42 | xgorg | I managed to log on automaticly. I edited the $HOME/.profile to startx automaticly.. but now how can I make the soffice (openoffice) autostart from X? |
| 00:06.46 | plt2 | Can I grep a file to get the errors? |
| 00:06.51 | fdfr | jordanm, anything else i can do to install from that netinstall image using my usb? |
| 00:07.51 | karlpinc | xgorg: You can use the Xsessions scripts in /etc/ or use gdm and write your own /usr/share/xsession/* that just starts ooo. I did the latter, then chose that session from the gdm menu after selecting the user. |
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| 00:08.37 | karlpinc | xgorg: I think Xsession will do the trick. I forget. I just poked it with a stick until it worked. |
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| 00:09.07 | plt2 | jordanm? |
| 00:09.13 | karlpinc | xgorg: /etc/X11/ and /etc/gdm both have Xsession scripts. |
| 00:09.13 | xgorg | karlpinc: awesome :D thanks a lot!! |
| 00:09.50 | karlpinc | xgorg: Mind, the whole point is you don't get a desktop. When ooo goes away you're logged out. |
| 00:10.09 | karlpinc | xgorg: Otherwise just configure gnome to autostart the app on login. |
| 00:10.36 | plt2 | jordanm Can I grep a file to get the errors? |
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| 00:10.50 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, its not really a "everything talks to everything" type VPN network though |
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| 00:11.10 | gh0st3r | I think the hub and spoke would work best, its more a mangaement "serverA pulls data from 3 other servers" type network |
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| 00:11.31 | gh0st3r | i just don't want to open up SNMP, Nagios and a couple of other network monitoring tools to the world |
| 00:12.20 | karlpinc | xgorg: There's also ~/.Xsession, which is probably the "right" way but I couldn't get it to do anything. I'm not expert enough to know what's really best. |
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| 00:12.49 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: So just vpn to the snmp monitor from each host, right? |
| 00:12.54 | xgorg | karlpinc, wow It logs out when OO exits?? this is awesome! That means that I probably did a mistake.. instead of autologin mingetty.. I should probably used the Xsession and make that start up automaticly? |
| 00:13.18 | SineDeviance | how do i share files between one debian box and another? i have a box running debian squeeze and i want to fileshare with a debian lenny server. do i have to install nfs-kernel-server on both? |
| 00:13.28 | plt2 | jordanm Can I grep a file to get the errors? |
| 00:13.33 | xgorg | this is awesome info karlpinc :) Thanks a lot |
| 00:13.56 | karlpinc | xgorg: Depends. I tend to tell gdm to autologin rather than use a getty. YMMV. |
| 00:14.14 | xgorg | gdm without gnome? |
| 00:14.26 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, and nagios |
| 00:14.28 | karlpinc | xgorg: Sure. Just install gdm. It'll run X. |
| 00:14.33 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, and later down the track other apps |
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| 00:15.22 | karlpinc | xgorg: You could also choose xdm or kdm, but xdm is ugly and kdm does not seem to like me when it comes to working over the network so I've used gdm. |
| 00:15.47 | xgorg | karlpinc Ok cool :) |
| 00:16.00 | jordanm | plt2: not really |
| 00:16.22 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, plus i really just wanted to edumacate myself on openvpn |
| 00:16.30 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: The question is, how do you want to connect the boxes? You can designate a couple of "routers" or whatever. Come up with a topology and go with that. |
| 00:16.31 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, thanks for the help though |
| 00:16.44 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, i think ill go with hub and spoke |
| 00:16.52 | plt2 | What else can I do? |
| 00:17.07 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: It really will route then, if you want the endpoints to talk. |
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| 00:18.10 | plt2 | There is a file in the log directory aptitude |
| 00:18.17 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: Just think of the vpn as a wire and design a network without using switches. |
| 00:18.56 | karlpinc | gh0st3r: (You can, IIRC, have openvpn bridge as well, so you make your own switch. But that's a bit over the top.) |
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| 00:20.01 | plt2 | jordanm http://pastebin.com/cpHNjHB9 |
| 00:21.29 | plt2 | How about this log file 2010-08-18 19:40:36 status half-configured python-support 1.0.9 |
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| 00:21.57 | mattboll | hi all |
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| 00:22.07 | mattboll | I've got a strange network problem |
| 00:22.17 | gh0st3r | karlpinc, thanks for the lp |
| 00:22.43 | mattboll | with eth (wlan works fine) I can ping every site but I can go to only some of them |
| 00:22.58 | plt2 | Will that log file do? |
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| 00:23.05 | mattboll | I can go to debian.org or google but not to linuxfr.org or facebook.com |
| 00:23.37 | mattboll | ifconfig tells me RX packets:3552 errors:1249 |
| 00:23.56 | plt2 | jordanm Will that log file do? |
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| 00:24.11 | metalfoo | If your internet uplink is not under your control, your network administrator may use a firewall mattboll |
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| 00:25.13 | mattboll | I'm the admin |
| 00:25.40 | metalfoo | Then you should check again for firewall rules, or local destination routes. |
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| 00:26.24 | mattboll | I don't have any firewall, routes are fine too |
| 00:26.43 | mattboll | I can ping every site ! |
| 00:26.58 | plt2 | During the upgrade why did remove aptitud? |
| 00:27.09 | plt2 | During the upgrade why did remove aptitude? |
| 00:28.31 | plt2 | 2010-08-18 19:14:04 update-alternatives: run with --quiet --install /usr/bin/c89 c89 /usr/bin/c89-gcc 20 --sla |
| 00:28.31 | plt2 | ve /usr/share/man/man1/c89.1.gz c89.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/c89-gcc.1.gz |
| 00:29.41 | plt2 | jordanm ?? |
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| 00:30.40 | tharkun | mattboll: use a proxy to access those sites. It might be something related with your isp or a firewall that you are not aware of |
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| 00:31.17 | tharkun | Local ISP have the bad habit of blocking the competition for dns and smtp services |
| 00:31.23 | niriven | is debian install cd ever going to have wpa_supplicant as included package? how do i install wirelessly without it? :( |
| 00:31.47 | jordanm | plt2: it didn't remove it, it failed to install/upgrade, likely because something it depended on failed to install/upgrade |
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| 00:32.08 | plt2 | jordanm can you take a look at this please? http://pastebin.com/r1czUN6z |
| 00:32.47 | jordanm | plt2: there are no errors there |
| 00:33.11 | plt2 | Does it log it some where when it runs in the /var/log |
| 00:33.32 | jordanm | no |
| 00:33.54 | plt2 | There is nothing else I can do? |
| 00:34.24 | jordanm | you can try to repair the broken packages with apt-get |
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| 00:34.36 | dvs | niriven, do a usb install with cd1 |
| 00:34.48 | jordanm | but you still don't know what the initial error is |
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| 00:34.58 | plt2 | How about apt-get update? |
| 00:35.19 | niriven | dvs, yes but why doesnt he install cd have wpa_supplicant? doing a usb install requires work, and i dont have any usb devices other then a mouse :) |
| 00:35.30 | niriven | *doesnt the |
| 00:36.33 | dvs | niriven, "requires work"? I think that most packages I install from Debian "requires work" |
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| 00:37.42 | dvs | niriven, I know the first DVD includes wpa_supplicant |
| 00:38.20 | niriven | dvs, it does, but thats post installation right? to install using netinst i need wpa_supplicant :) |
| 00:38.37 | dondelelcaro | niriven: there is a wpa_supplicant udeb |
| 00:38.50 | plt2 | The only other choice I have is to reload the entire os? |
| 00:38.53 | dondelelcaro | niriven: I don't know how well integrated it is with the installer, but you should be able to get it working |
| 00:39.04 | dvs | dondelelcaro, it isn't |
| 00:39.39 | niriven | it doesnt have to be integrated with the installer :( with other distros i just go in, setup net before i get into isntaller manually, then go into the installer. i guess i understand why its not included is probably becuase thers no integration with the installer :-/ |
| 00:40.40 | dondelelcaro | dvs: it's partially integrated, actually. See #550744 et al. |
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| 00:41.18 | dondelelcaro | but it certainly needs someone to do some work on it; you could be that person! |
| 00:41.23 | dvs | dondelelcaro, well, it's a bit late for me. Debian is already on my Toshiba C650D |
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| 00:42.39 | plt2 | jordanm Are you telling me that is the only option that I have at this point please? |
| 00:42.50 | niriven | ah well i know there are workarounds, however my only option on this laptop is a wpa encrypted connection, oh well. Debian is a wonderful distro though :) I'll just get back to my old distro for now until i figure this out. Thanks for the information guys! |
| 00:43.21 | jordanm | plt2: I think backing up your data, installing and sticking with stable would have been the ideal solution for you from the beginning |
| 00:44.17 | seeker7 | at boot it says hub cannot initialize usb at port 3 |
| 00:44.29 | seeker7 | or evaluate instead of initialize |
| 00:44.48 | tharkun | Will a simlink hold its ground when doing a apt-get fullupgrade ? |
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| 00:45.29 | plt2 | I ran a stable version at the start |
| 00:46.53 | plt2 | I will recommend that they add a feature when running aptitude to make a log option |
| 00:48.15 | tbsaunde | plt2: why not just run apt-get upgrade and see what happens/ |
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| 00:48.49 | plt2 | I will try that |
| 00:48.51 | dondelelcaro | plt2: uh.. aptitude logs what it's doing |
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| 00:49.25 | plt2 | INvalid option apt-get fullupgrade |
| 00:49.31 | dvs | thinks aptitude should BLOG everything it's doing. |
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| 00:50.00 | tbsaunde | plt2: its dist-upgrade or upgrade not fullupgrade |
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| 00:50.23 | tbsaunde | plt2: use either upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 00:50.26 | Trawlen | http://pastebin.org/593618 |
| 00:50.28 | Trawlen | Any assistance? |
| 00:50.41 | plt2 | Ty |
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| 00:51.30 | s5s | I get failed to open sound device. I installed alsa base and I am a member of sound group |
| 00:52.03 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 00:52.03 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 00:53.24 | Trawlen | Ill ask again, could i get help with http://pastebin.org/593618. Please? |
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| 00:57.48 | seeker7 | when I boot the system it has a phrase right at first saying something about evaluateing usb on port 3 |
| 00:57.53 | seeker7 | that it can not do that |
| 00:58.17 | seeker7 | do i need to be doing anything? |
| 00:58.30 | seeker7 | because at least one of the usb ports work |
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| 01:04.53 | Trawlen | Hey, after upgrading to my ess que el 5.1 i am wanting to downgrade to 5.0. But i get the following errors : |
| 01:04.55 | Trawlen | Unpacking mysql-server-5.0 (from .../mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny4_amd64.deb) ... |
| 01:04.55 | Trawlen | Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0. |
| 01:04.55 | Trawlen | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny4_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 01:04.55 | Trawlen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.56 | Trawlen | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 01:04.56 | dpkg | trawlen: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 01:05.13 | Trawlen | http://pastebin.org/593618 |
| 01:05.14 | Trawlen | * |
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| 01:05.40 | simonrvn | dpkg | trawlen: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:05.41 | dpkg | simonrvn: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 01:05.51 | simonrvn | dpkg: yes |
| 01:05.52 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
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| 01:06.00 | Trawlen | simonrvn: http://pastebin.org/593618. |
| 01:06.06 | Trawlen | simonrvn: that is all the output. |
| 01:06.21 | jordanm | Trawlen: looks like downgrading is not supported |
| 01:06.32 | Trawlen | How do i fix it then |
| 01:06.44 | simonrvn | why are you trying to downgrade? |
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| 01:07.17 | themill | Trawlen: the on-disk format for mysql has changed from 5.0 to 5.1. You can't have 5.1 databases in /var/lib/mysql and install 5.0. |
| 01:07.25 | Trawlen | Because 5.1 is buggy for me. Nothing can connect to mysql. I get errors about tables (schedulers or something) when i start it up. |
| 01:08.17 | Trawlen | here we go |
| 01:08.20 | Trawlen | Now i installed it |
| 01:08.21 | Trawlen | I get |
| 01:08.22 | Trawlen | 100819 5:07:54 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't find file: './mysql/user.frm' (errno: 13) |
| 01:08.50 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 01:09.30 | Trawlen | Sigh? its not my fault mysql is possibly the biggest piece of shit ever to be created. |
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| 01:11.00 | Nai-ux | Trawlen, no, OSX is. |
| 01:11.15 | Trawlen | Well. |
| 01:11.43 | Trawlen | We could get in to quite an argument here. But i will not persue it. They are both equally as shit. |
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| 01:12.25 | plt2 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 01:12.25 | plt2 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 |
| 01:12.28 | themill | I don't know of any database where the on-disk format is unchanged from version to version |
| 01:13.06 | Trawlen | I dont know why anybody would create a database server that takes up 200mb of ram at idle. |
| 01:13.50 | plt2 | What is the error code 1 |
| 01:13.57 | Trawlen | how do i know |
| 01:14.01 | Trawlen | its error code 1 |
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| 01:14.17 | Trawlen | im getting new errors now |
| 01:14.18 | themill | Trawlen: it doesn't. Please don't confuse your inability to configure things correctly with shortcomings in the software. MySQL might not be the best database around, but that is orthogonal to your problems. |
| 01:14.37 | Trawlen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.42 | Trawlen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.49 | Trawlen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.17 | Trawlen | themill: just die |
| 01:15.39 | themill | Trawlen: please don't paste into the channel. And when you're showing errors, please give the entire output and the command that generated it and use a pastebin |
| 01:15.56 | themill | Trawlen: alternatively, be an argumentative git and make sure that no-one actually wants to help you |
| 01:16.43 | Trawlen | themill: I believe you are the one who started this argument. All i want is to install mysql. |
| 01:17.26 | themill | Trawlen: so your interaction with plt2 was entirely productive too then. Excellent. I can see it's going to be a long night for you. |
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| 01:17.56 | themill | plt2: the real error was much earlier than that. You'll have to go through all the output to find it. |
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| 01:19.13 | themill | Trawlen: do you have anything in these databases that you value? |
| 01:19.43 | Trawlen | themill: You are obviously a very nice person. I hope somehow a drill enters your head and renders your brain useless. You piece of shit. |
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| 01:20.26 | dvs | my gawd |
| 01:21.06 | themill | I guess that saved me feeling like I should try to help him... |
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| 01:22.07 | dvs | i wouldn't have started by the way he repetitively pasted the output at the beginning |
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| 01:23.08 | phylogenesis | How can I get an Ubuntu like install of Debian? I downloaded the minimal CD, intalled it, and it boots, but now I just have a command line interface and I don't know how to get X and other usualy graphical utilities. |
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| 01:23.29 | dvs | phylogenesis: which minimal CD? |
| 01:24.00 | phylogenesis | i386 netinst stable release |
| 01:24.38 | dvs | phylogenesis: try running aptitude as root |
| 01:24.41 | phylogenesis | I expected it to download and install all the stuff from the net |
| 01:24.42 | phylogenesis | okay |
| 01:25.07 | dvs | phylogenesis: it will. you just have to tell it what to download |
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| 01:27.09 | phylogenesis | I saw a "Graphical Install" option and assumed it meant a graphical install interface, not installing Debian including graphical stuff. Was I right or wrong? |
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| 01:27.54 | dvs | phylogenesis: you were right |
| 01:28.02 | nsadmin | I assume the same thing atm, I thought it grabs a vga x server and starts that |
| 01:28.31 | dvs | nsadmin: it means that the install interface will be graphical |
| 01:28.53 | nsadmin | phylogenesis: when you download the image, you have to first write the image to a cd |
| 01:28.58 | dvs | nsadmin: the Desktop Environment option will install gnome as an environment |
| 01:29.37 | phylogenesis | Will KDE work just as easily? |
| 01:29.46 | phylogenesis | (If not, I'll just use Gnome) |
| 01:29.57 | nsadmin | well you have to install kde afterwards |
| 01:30.15 | simonrvn | there's no "vga x server" anymore ;). |
| 01:30.40 | phylogenesis | nsadmin, I already burned it to a CD and installed Debian. |
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| 01:31.21 | billy_ | hi where do the debian security experts hang out? |
| 01:31.23 | nsadmin | oh, well then, cool :) |
| 01:31.35 | nsadmin | bars |
| 01:31.43 | phylogenesis | dvs, is that an option that I should have been shown when I installed? I saw a list where I chose to install Standard Installation because it was the only thing listed. |
| 01:31.47 | nsadmin | restaurants |
| 01:31.49 | nsadmin | jails |
| 01:32.17 | simonrvn | jails, if they're crap secuirty experts |
| 01:32.26 | dvs | phylogenesis: yes, there was options like "Web server" and "email server" and the like |
| 01:32.44 | simonrvn | "desktop" |
| 01:32.48 | dvs | phylogenesis: but you can install those packages after the inital install |
| 01:32.49 | nsadmin | or if they're really good at security but can't run |
| 01:33.04 | simonrvn | heh, true |
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| 01:33.18 | phylogenesis | How can I check if I have an internet connection? |
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| 01:33.27 | simonrvn | ping something |
| 01:33.48 | dvs | pings simonrvn |
| 01:33.49 | phylogenesis | I tried www.google.com, I'll find it's IP and try that |
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| 01:34.06 | dvs | phylogenesis: you don't have a name server? |
| 01:34.08 | nsadmin | try by name |
| 01:34.25 | simonrvn | pinging a domain name implies you hve working nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:34.50 | nsadmin | if that didn't work, what are the symptoms? |
| 01:35.03 | phylogenesis | Well, I _JUST_ installed this so I've done zero setup except for what the Standard Install on the minimal cd |
| 01:35.25 | phylogenesis | When it started it asked me for some media for hardware that it couldn't use free software for, and I think it was the wireless card. |
| 01:35.27 | nsadmin | understood |
| 01:35.49 | nsadmin | could you lspci -nn |
| 01:35.54 | phylogenesis | I connected it to this laptop, which I have had another computer connect to online through |
| 01:36.03 | nsadmin | and show the line about your wireless |
| 01:36.09 | phylogenesis | lspci isn't found |
| 01:36.28 | phylogenesis | "lspci: command not found" |
| 01:36.30 | nsadmin | hmm, you probably just have the base installed |
| 01:36.34 | phylogenesis | I logged in as the user, maybe as root? |
| 01:36.45 | nsadmin | they both would have net |
| 01:36.46 | simonrvn | wouldn't matter |
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| 01:37.01 | phylogenesis | I would prefer to reinstall it from the beginning and connect to the internet and download from there. |
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| 01:37.24 | nsadmin | then you'd need the firmware at that point |
| 01:37.24 | nsadmin | it |
| 01:37.33 | nsadmin | woudl be easier to get it now |
| 01:37.36 | phylogenesis | I mean, and have it install most packages from there. I'll try connecting to my router through ethernet as I do an install. I'll be back if I have a problem. Thanks so far. |
| 01:37.48 | phylogenesis | Does it makes sense to do that? |
| 01:37.55 | phylogenesis | I don't have the CDs for this computer. |
| 01:38.13 | nsadmin | does it have wired eth? |
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| 01:38.22 | dvs | phylogenesis: well, if you can get an internet connection from ethernet, then just install the packages from that |
| 01:39.13 | phylogenesis | but I don't know what packages to install |
| 01:39.24 | nsadmin | not a problem |
| 01:39.25 | dvs | phylogenesis: can you run tasksel as root? |
| 01:39.30 | nsadmin | do you have it? |
| 01:39.44 | phylogenesis | Yeah it's running. |
| 01:40.06 | dvs | phylogenesis: then desktop environment should give you Gnome |
| 01:40.22 | dvs | if you're hooked up to the internet. |
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| 01:40.43 | phylogenesis | I don't think I am |
| 01:40.46 | nsadmin | I thought he wasn't because of missint firmware |
| 01:40.53 | phylogenesis | Running tasksel only showed me Manual Package Selection |
| 01:41.00 | phylogenesis | When I chose it it just runs aptitude |
| 01:41.08 | dvs | phylogenesis: oh? |
| 01:41.28 | phylogenesis | I'll try connceting it to my router. I think the problem is lack on internet connection. |
| 01:41.51 | dvs | phylogenesis: i agree |
| 01:41.57 | nsadmin | we;ll help you get your connection set up |
| 01:42.26 | nsadmin | as root do ifconfig -a |
| 01:42.34 | nsadmin | and you'll see paragraphs |
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| 01:42.58 | nsadmin | each paragraph will have a title word (which is the interface name) |
| 01:43.13 | nsadmin | could you list all the interface names |
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| 01:43.33 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 01:44.00 | phylogenesis | Sorry, the router isn't next to me so I'm moving the laptops over closer, brb |
| 01:44.59 | Strogg | say.. what's the command for the apt bot to look up what driver a pci device uses? |
| 01:45.19 | jordanm | Strogg: lspci -k |
| 01:45.48 | jordanm | Strogg: oh, /msg judd pciid <pciid> |
| 01:45.55 | Strogg | hrmm no.. I mean the apt bot in here.. I came in here hebfore with a wireless.. ahhh |
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| 01:48.21 | Strogg | jordanm: Cool. that's what I was looking for. Thanks a bunch. |
| 01:48.25 | phylogenesis | hmm, how do I mute it? I keep getting a really loud beep whenever I press a wrong button. |
| 01:48.49 | nomasteryoda | beep or buzz? |
| 01:48.54 | phylogenesis | beep |
| 01:49.04 | phylogenesis | as I would describe it anyway |
| 01:49.15 | phylogenesis | O.o "ifconfig -a" just says "ifconfig: command not found" |
| 01:49.15 | nomasteryoda | i get a buzz when some wrong key is pressed |
| 01:49.36 | dvs | phylogenesis: as root? |
| 01:49.50 | phylogenesis | phew ^.^ |
| 01:49.54 | nomasteryoda | but I just can't seem to stop it no matter the advice... however, Fedora just beeps with normal sounds which can be muted |
| 01:49.59 | phylogenesis | I see stuff now |
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| 01:50.17 | nsadmin | ok, how many paragraphs? |
| 01:50.28 | phylogenesis | um, lots, how do I see it in pages? |
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| 01:50.44 | dvs | phylogenesis: how many sections? |
| 01:50.45 | nsadmin | pipe it to more |
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| 01:51.38 | phylogenesis | Okay, I see eth0, lo, wlan0, and wmaster0 |
| 01:51.50 | orbitz | Hello, I want to install the latest versions of some software. Do I just update my apt sources for squeeze? |
| 01:52.02 | orbitz | I'm new to debian |
| 01:52.47 | Dannny | orbitz: to be sure it's the latest versions, go to the project site and download the latest there |
| 01:52.53 | phylogenesis | Hey orbitz, are you the C++ orbitz? |
| 01:52.58 | orbitz | phylogenesis: yes |
| 01:53.13 | phylogenesis | I just started Debian myself |
| 01:53.17 | orbitz | Dannny: specially I'm trying to get latet GHC, and their website redirects me to the package informaiton from squeeze |
| 01:53.21 | orbitz | phylogenesis: shweeet |
| 01:53.37 | orbitz | I switched to debian so I could get latest GHC, Doesn't support FreeBSD yet |
| 01:53.40 | nsadmin | orbitz: debian isn't organized around supplying the latest |
| 01:53.50 | nsadmin | instead, debian tests much more |
| 01:53.55 | Dannny | orbitz: Oh, then the latest is probably in the repos, yeah |
| 01:54.18 | orbitz | nsadmin: I know, but i'm not a production server maintainer so I'm willing ot accept some unstable software |
| 01:54.57 | orbitz | I'm just not sure of the protocol for getting more bleeding edge packages, like the latest GHC |
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| 01:55.20 | nsadmin | orbitz: so if you want the absolute latest that's out, you might be compiling stuff |
| 01:55.40 | nsadmin | generally speaking that is |
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| 01:55.59 | orbitz | nsadmin: In this particular case, when looking at the packages website they redirect me to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=haskell-platform for the debian package |
| 01:56.06 | nsadmin | if you just want the latest you can get as a debian package you're still in the right place |
| 01:56.09 | orbitz | should I avoid adding squeez to my repository list? |
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| 01:56.57 | dvs | orbitz: you will run into problems with udev |
| 01:57.01 | orbitz | ok |
| 01:57.07 | aboudreault_ | Hi, Is KDE 4 available for debian lenny? |
| 01:57.50 | phylogenesis | The installer says I need the "non-free firmware file" "iwlwifi-3945.ucode" and wants me to insert media to install it, but I have none. |
| 01:57.55 | orbitz | For this situation, is it suggested that I manually compile and install then? |
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| 01:58.45 | nsadmin | orbitz, what are you running now (cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 01:58.49 | dvs | phylogenesis: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 01:59.30 | orbitz | 5.0.5 |
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| 02:00.06 | nsadmin | judd, versions haskell-platform |
| 02:00.07 | judd | haskell-platform -- sid: 2010.1.0.0.1; squeeze: 2010.1.0.0.1 |
| 02:00.27 | nsadmin | looks like it's not even available in lenny |
| 02:00.33 | orbitz | ok |
| 02:00.43 | orbitz | What are my options? |
| 02:00.58 | orbitz | I just don't know how things work in the debian world |
| 02:01.04 | orbitz | judd, versions couchdb |
| 02:01.06 | judd | couchdb -- lenny: 0.8.0-2; sid: 0.11.0-2+b1; squeeze: 0.11.0-2+b1 |
| 02:01.15 | orbitz | is lenny what I am running? |
| 02:01.17 | phylogenesis | I'll keep that in mind dvs, thanks. Gonna be a bit before I get to it. |
| 02:01.32 | dvs | oh? |
| 02:01.32 | nsadmin | you could: compile it yourslef... you could: search for backports (but I thought they'd be listed already)... you could: upgrade to squeeze |
| 02:02.05 | orbitz | nsadmin: I'm running a home machine, not production, what are the risks of going to squeeze? |
| 02:02.10 | thomasp_ | netstat.. it's showing me which ip's I'm talking to right now, but not which PIDs I need to kill in order for me to stop talking to certain ip's. any hints to get these PIDs? |
| 02:02.35 | nsadmin | and having said you could upgrade, if you do you'll be facing things that are debiany and complex that you won't be able to solve immediately |
| 02:02.48 | orbitz | ok |
| 02:02.52 | nsadmin | when certain problems come up, that is |
| 02:02.54 | orbitz | it sounds like isntalling myself is the preferred option here |
| 02:03.16 | orbitz | compiling that is |
| 02:03.31 | nsadmin | one pretty good option tho, is if your machine can do virtual machines |
| 02:04.06 | nsadmin | orbitz, well it's what you prefer. |
| 02:04.15 | nsadmin | you -could- try to backport |
| 02:04.26 | nsadmin | but you could end up backporting a lot of packages |
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| 02:05.52 | orbitz | What is involve din backport? |
| 02:06.04 | nsadmin | -getting the debianized source |
| 02:06.15 | nsadmin | -installing its build depends |
| 02:06.23 | nsadmin | -running the build |
| 02:06.39 | orbitz | Sounds like a fair amount of work... |
| 02:06.39 | nsadmin | then after that either it fails or you have a package located in .. |
| 02:06.42 | syntax_enable_ | I'm trying to install debian amd64 via netinstall,however it is only finding my wireless card and can't find the ethernet connection. is there any way to force it to use eth0 at boot or something? |
| 02:07.00 | nsadmin | yeah, it's a bit more work than compiling it |
| 02:07.16 | orbitz | What if I switched to somethin glike Ubuntu? Ubuntu tends to be a bit more bleeding edge right? |
| 02:07.29 | nsadmin | tends to be, yes |
| 02:07.49 | nsadmin | some people like it, some hate it, some find problems |
| 02:08.01 | nsadmin | some never find problems |
| 02:08.18 | nsadmin | search for your package at packages.ubuntu.com |
| 02:08.23 | dvs | syntax_enable_: the kernel is probably not detecting your eth0 (like me) |
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| 02:08.51 | quitte_ | is there a gconf editor that allows exporting entries to xml files? alternatively i'm looking for some editor that allows collapsing of xml files. |
| 02:09.08 | orbitz | can I switch to ubuntu without reinstalling the entire system throuhg some apt-magic? |
| 02:09.09 | syntax_enable_ | dvs, is there a way to fix this? |
| 02:09.29 | dvs | syntax_enable_: I just installed testing |
| 02:09.40 | nsadmin | orbitz: yes, but to do that you'd need a whole different machine |
| 02:09.44 | nsadmin | then you'd have two |
| 02:10.14 | nkuttler | heh. debian offers auto upgrades now? |
| 02:10.17 | orbitz | Ah, I can' tjust modify apt sources and upgrade or something? |
| 02:10.19 | quitte_ | doesn't the ubuntu be gone script exist anymore? that could probably be modified. |
| 02:10.34 | quitte_ | orbitz: in short: it's possible but not a good idea. |
| 02:10.41 | quitte_ | it will most likely break |
| 02:11.26 | syntax_enable_ | dvs: how did you get around that? |
| 02:11.32 | orbitz | ok |
| 02:11.38 | nsadmin | orbitz: you're getting into this grey area right now... |
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| 02:12.08 | dvs | syntax_enable_: I installed testing (squeeze). That enabled me to install Debian. |
| 02:12.09 | nsadmin | now that you may or may not be open to ubuntu, you could compare that to upgrading to sqeeze |
| 02:12.10 | dondelelcaro | orbitz: it's possible, but there will always be subtle differences, and generally, resolving them requires knowing that it can already be done |
| 02:12.50 | orbitz | Yeah, Just trying to figure out path that gets me where I want to be quickest |
| 02:13.01 | syntax_enable_ | dvs: thats what I have |
| 02:13.19 | nsadmin | where exactly do you want to be?> |
| 02:13.45 | dvs | syntax_enable_: then your network card is too new for the kernel. |
| 02:14.23 | orbitz | nsadmin: i want to be slightly more bleeding edge, I'm playing with GHC, CouchDB, Ocaml, etc |
| 02:14.28 | orbitz | so I want latest releases for those |
| 02:14.49 | nsadmin | I would say you should get used to building them |
| 02:14.50 | orbitz | I think I can just manually install a bunch of things |
| 02:15.06 | plt2 | I can fix this problem |
| 02:15.07 | plt2 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:15.07 | plt2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.32 | orbitz | thanks nsadmin |
| 02:15.46 | plt2 | Does anyone have any recommendations please? |
| 02:15.47 | nsadmin | because I would imagine you don't want debian coming along during a bulk package install and replacing the stuff you're working on without your being aware |
| 02:16.14 | dvs | plt2: yeah, you need to install the 2.6.32 kernel first. |
| 02:16.16 | plt2 | I already tried apt-het build-depend udev |
| 02:16.25 | orbitz | My only concern is if what my manual install depend son is goign to be too old in apt (gmp, libiconv) we'll find out |
| 02:16.32 | phylogenesis | It looks like everything is working so far, now that I'm resintalling with the computer plugged in to ethernet, all the options I expected are available. Thanks again guys. |
| 02:16.41 | plt2 | Do you think that is causing the problem? |
| 02:17.00 | dvs | udev 160 won't work with an older kernel |
| 02:17.48 | plt2 | Do I need to the linux-headers or the linux-image? |
| 02:18.09 | dvs | linux-image |
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| 02:19.06 | plt2 | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 Reading state information... Done |
| 02:19.06 | plt2 | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is already the newest version. |
| 02:19.06 | plt2 | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 set to manually installed. |
| 02:19.17 | plt2 | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 02:19.18 | plt2 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:19.18 | plt2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.18 | plt2 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 02:19.38 | plt2 | Sorry |
| 02:20.19 | plt2 | http://pastebin.com/Dj9XXMG2 |
| 02:20.23 | plt2 | I got a error |
| 02:20.38 | TeekinToo | Have you tried what it suggests? |
| 02:20.46 | plt2 | Yes |
| 02:20.51 | plt2 | I got a error |
| 02:21.08 | plt2 | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is already the newest version. |
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| 02:21.47 | plt2 | I am running this 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 02:22.17 | TeekinToo | Mhmm... |
| 02:22.28 | dvs | plt2: so run 2.6.32-5 |
| 02:22.31 | TeekinToo | ...what comes out of this: "uname -r" |
| 02:22.36 | TeekinToo | ? |
| 02:22.41 | TeekinToo | Is that 2.6.26-1-686 that comes out of that? |
| 02:22.55 | plt2 | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 02:22.59 | dvs | plt2: so run 2.6.32-5 |
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| 02:23.05 | TeekinToo | Okay, you probably just have to reboot into 2.6.32-5. |
| 02:23.47 | plt2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.06 | plt2 | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 |
| 02:24.29 | Teekin | 486?! |
| 02:24.32 | dvs | plt2: listen to TeekinToo |
| 02:24.35 | Teekin | Nah, man. |
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| 02:25.28 | Teekin | plt2: Okay, can you tell me exactly what you were trying to do originally? |
| 02:25.35 | Teekin | Just so that I understand the context here. |
| 02:25.59 | voipzapper | are there any liveCD's based on debian? other than the installers that is. |
| 02:26.15 | plt2 | When I run apt-get dist-upgrade then I get udev error |
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| 02:26.39 | plt2 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 |
| 02:26.42 | jpinx-eeepc | plt2: firstly - please use aptitude |
| 02:27.10 | plt2 | No problem |
| 02:27.26 | plt2 | I am trying to update the distrubution |
| 02:27.40 | jpinx-eeepc | plt2: and please use the factoid from /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 02:27.54 | beardy | !live |
| 02:27.54 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
| 02:28.07 | jpinx-eeepc | plt2: note the remarks about the udev issue with older kernels |
| 02:28.29 | dvs | jpinx-eeepc: the 2.6.32 is already installed |
| 02:28.38 | dvs | jpinx-eeepc: but he's running 2.6.26 |
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| 02:28.46 | plt2 | Do I still need to upgrade the kernel? |
| 02:28.57 | jpinx-eeepc | plt2: you need to follow the factoid |
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| 02:29.14 | dvs | he just needs to reboot into 2.6.32 now |
| 02:29.23 | dvs | like everyone is telling him to |
| 02:29.31 | plt2 | No problem |
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| 02:29.49 | plt2 | I am rebooting |
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| 02:30.31 | jpinx-eeepc | dvs: yea cool - I didn't read the full scrollback ;) |
| 02:30.42 | dvs | jpinx-eeepc: no prob |
| 02:31.01 | jpinx-eeepc | is extra lazy this morning - needs coffee |
| 02:31.25 | dvs | morning? I'm about to go to bed |
| 02:31.47 | jpinx-eeepc | dvs: /whois me :p |
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| 02:31.59 | voipzapper | i must be having a brain fart... now that i have installed xfce4, rebooted (just for good measure), and logged back into the cli, how do i invoke it? |
| 02:32.58 | jhutchins_lt | voipzapper: startx? |
| 02:33.48 | jordanm | voipzapper: you will also want to install xfce4-goodies and possibly a display manager, like gdm |
| 02:36.12 | voipzapper | jhutchins_lt: *wafts away smell of brain fart* - thx. der, derrrrrr |
| 02:36.31 | voipzapper | jordanm: yes, indeed |
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| 02:37.13 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: warch the installation of gdm in case it want to drag in a barrowload of gnome ;) |
| 02:37.13 | voipzapper | is that the actuwal pckg name, "xfce4-goodies"? |
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| 02:38.06 | JairunCaloth | yup |
| 02:38.37 | JairunCaloth | well... I think it's really just a meta package that depends on several others which causes them to be installed. |
| 02:38.57 | voipzapper | jordanm, jpinx-eeepc: hmm. perhaps i don't really need a display manager. trying to stay pretty minimal |
| 02:40.12 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: aptitude search dm - there are other lightweight options like xdm |
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| 02:41.02 | JairunCaloth | slim |
| 02:41.23 | JairunCaloth | I used to use xdm, but it's ugly. I'm digging slim though. |
| 02:41.50 | jpinx-eeepc | voipzapper: you getting that? slim might be your option ;) |
| 02:42.20 | voipzapper | googling stuff. yes, looking at slim |
| 02:43.17 | JairunCaloth | pretty easy to skin as well I belive |
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| 02:44.17 | JairunCaloth | customizeable + lightweight = win |
| 02:45.46 | JairunCaloth | voipzapper: getting into XFCE? |
| 02:48.31 | plt2 | When I run aptitude then it does not complete the upgrade and deleted apptitude, |
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| 02:51.32 | paulfm | judd: hey judd - earlier you mentioned to me that my chipset intel nm10 was not supported under lenny - only in squeeze.... is there any chance you have the link to that info |
| 02:51.49 | paulfm | I hosed my entire system |
| 02:52.04 | paulfm | tried a full upgrade to squeeze |
| 02:52.19 | paulfm | gnome had way too many errors |
| 02:52.35 | paulfm | well let me take that back.... |
| 02:52.46 | paulfm | I didnt *hose* the *entire* system |
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| 02:53.06 | paulfm | I just have a mucked gdm/gnome install that Idont seem to be able to recover from |
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| 02:56.27 | voipzapper | JairunCaloth: getting into it. yes. looks fun |
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| 03:01.39 | JairunCaloth | <3 xfce, been my primary desktop for years now |
| 03:03.18 | plt2 | If you have firmware configure on one of the nic cards how do you remove it please? |
| 03:04.10 | plt2 | How do you remove the firmware off the nic card eth0? |
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| 03:06.33 | plt2 | E100: eth0 e100_request_Firmware failed to load firmware "e100/D101m_ucode.bin" |
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| 03:07.27 | SineDeviance | JairunCaloth: yeah, xfce is nice |
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| 03:08.54 | uva | what about lxde? |
| 03:09.22 | syntax_enable_ | I'm trying install debian testing, but the installer is unable to create ext3 or ext4 file system |
| 03:09.55 | plt2 | I am not using any firmware on eth0 |
| 03:15.56 | macrobat | syntax_enable_: the testing installer is often broken, try the stable installer and full-upgrade to squeeze |
| 03:16.38 | SineDeviance | uva: lxde is ugly. for lightweight i'd rather use openbox |
| 03:16.39 | plt2 | me? |
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| 03:18.09 | syntax_enable_ | macrobat: That leaves me in the dumps as anything besides the daily builds don't read my eth0 port |
| 03:18.35 | syntax_enable_ | macrobat: I'm using an ubuntu live to write the file systems then i'm going to install on them, will this work? |
| 03:18.41 | jpinx-eeepc | SineDeviance: opinions opinions - I like lxde |
| 03:18.53 | plt2 | I can not get on the internet |
| 03:19.24 | SineDeviance | jpinx-eeepc: well, thats the great thing about linux -- choice :D |
| 03:19.30 | macrobat | syntax_enable_: grml.org has a live-cd you can debootstrap from. i havent tried it myself, though |
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| 03:22.23 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 03:27.14 | syntax_enable_ | f***, Debian keeps failing to write. I need this, I'm going to college tomorrow. F&*^ |
| 03:28.40 | plt2 | I need some help please |
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| 03:32.24 | SineDeviance | hmm |
| 03:32.46 | plt2 | What file controls the firmware on eth1 and eth0 please? |
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| 03:32.53 | SineDeviance | i just installed xfce4, logged into it, logged out and logged back into gnome. now my debian icon has been replaced by the footsteps icon. |
| 03:32.59 | SineDeviance | the one next to applications |
| 03:33.13 | SineDeviance | how do i get that back? |
| 03:34.01 | macrobat | plt2: i guess it depends on the firmware |
| 03:34.35 | macrobat | SineDeviance: rightclick on it? |
| 03:35.18 | SineDeviance | macrobat: that brings up the menu editor. i'm talking about the main debian icon that sits left of 'applications' in gnome default |
| 03:35.19 | plt2 | How can I fix this please --> E100: eth0 e100_request_Firmware failed to load firmware "e100/D101m_ucode.bin" |
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| 03:36.40 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 03:37.31 | SineDeviance | i fixed it |
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| 03:38.57 | plt2 | How? |
| 03:39.43 | SineDeviance | i removed xfce4-* |
| 03:40.03 | SineDeviance | then i did an autoremove for whatever was left |
| 03:40.09 | SineDeviance | logged out and back in, and it's fixed |
| 03:40.28 | plt2 | You refering to the error I am having? |
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| 03:40.44 | SineDeviance | plt2: nah, my icon problem |
| 03:40.50 | plt2 | ok |
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| 03:41.45 | macrobat | plt2: what firmware and hardware do you have, then? |
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| 03:42.13 | syntax_enable_ | Okay, I officially want to stab 64 debian in the chest. Question though, for 32bit, to get 4gb of memory, should I install xen or use bigmem kernel? |
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| 03:42.31 | plt2 | Is this something new when I upgraded the kernel? |
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| 03:43.14 | macrobat | plt2: kernel often have the drivers for the network |
| 03:43.46 | plt2 | When I upgraded the system would it mess around with the my network drivers? |
| 03:43.50 | macrobat | plt2: have you solved your udev problem? |
| 03:44.26 | macrobat | newer kernel might have newer drivers |
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| 03:44.43 | plt2 | I am not sure if I did ot not. I will not know until I get my internet connection back. |
| 03:46.36 | plt2 | <macrobat> plt2: what firmware and hardware do you have, then? for which device |
| 03:47.11 | macrobat | you complaine dabout not having an internet connection |
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| 03:47.56 | plt2 | How do I find out what firmware the nic card is using? |
| 03:49.06 | plt2 | I am confused because everthing should be plugin and play. |
| 03:49.53 | Rusty1 | hwinfo *might* help |
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| 03:50.08 | Dannny | Debian people! |
| 03:50.09 | Dannny | man |
| 03:50.12 | Dannny | it's been a while |
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| 03:51.43 | macrobat | plt2: as root "lspci -v" |
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| 03:53.30 | plt2 | What am I looking for ? |
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| 03:55.19 | JairunCaloth | everything isn't plug and play, I don't care what OS you use.... |
| 03:55.50 | JairunCaloth | wonders how many times he isntalled windows only to find out he didn't have a nic driver |
| 03:56.06 | plt2 | Network card type? |
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| 03:56.50 | JairunCaloth | it should be listed there, yes |
| 03:58.21 | macrobat | something like Ethernet .. bla bla |
| 03:58.48 | plt2 | I have two cards |
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| 03:59.12 | macrobat | with lspci -nn we can get a pciid number to feed to judd |
| 03:59.26 | plt2 | Ethernet Controller AMDtek NC100 and Ethernet Controller INtel Corp 82557 /8/9/0 Ethernet Pro 100 |
| 04:00.58 | plt2 | 0200 |
| 04:01.13 | plt2 | Do you want the entire row? |
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| 04:01.31 | JairunCaloth | plt2: When I have a device that I can't figure out what driver to use for, I'll copy the string lspci gives me into google. That ususally gets me the answer I"m looking for pretty quickly. |
| 04:02.26 | W8TVI | grrr... trying to get this ipv6 tunnel to work right is pissing me off. |
| 04:02.52 | plt2 | 0600 1166 0225 8086 3414 |
| 04:04.20 | flourish | hello everyone, quick question. Is there a scripting language with sys or sqs as the script file's extension |
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| 04:05.05 | plt2 | I wrote program I am not hardware person sorry |
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| 04:06.21 | JairunCaloth | plt2: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=52&cat=144 |
| 04:06.28 | simonrvn | lspci -nn isn't hard to do ;) |
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| 04:07.09 | plt2 | I ran nit |
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| 04:07.25 | JairunCaloth | lspci shows you the devices connected to your pci bus |
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| 04:07.43 | JairunCaloth | it doesn't do anything to help you other then show you what hardware you have |
| 04:07.52 | JairunCaloth | from there you have to look up the hardware to find out what driver you need |
| 04:08.07 | simonrvn | yes but we then ask judd here to tell us what it is |
| 04:08.24 | plt2 | OK. So linux is moving more towards the dark ages. |
| 04:08.28 | plt2 | Heee |
| 04:08.39 | JairunCaloth | google is especially good at telling you what driver you want to use for your hardware |
| 04:09.02 | JairunCaloth | from there most of the time it's pretty easy |
| 04:09.08 | JairunCaloth | modprobe <drivername> |
| 04:09.19 | plt2 | The old kernel like three years ago you did not have to do all of this. |
| 04:09.32 | JairunCaloth | blinks |
| 04:09.38 | JairunCaloth | sure if you had a 386 |
| 04:10.18 | JairunCaloth | not all hardware works in linux. Some you have to jump through hoops to get working, others just need a little nudge in the right direction. |
| 04:10.22 | plt2 | I am running the same machine and I just slaped a network card in and configured interefaces without having to look up a bunch of crap. |
| 04:10.25 | jpinx-eeepc | I think what plt2 needs is to learn how to custom compile his own kernel ;) |
| 04:10.44 | JairunCaloth | there's always gentoo :-p |
| 04:10.48 | plt2 | That may be a good idea. |
| 04:10.53 | SineDeviance | yeah. or how to get modules that are already compiled for his kernel |
| 04:11.41 | JairunCaloth | modprobe tulip will probably get that AMDtek nic working |
| 04:11.44 | JairunCaloth | btw... |
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| 04:14.29 | plt2 | The bad news is tulup module could not be found and it makes it harder to add drivers or modules with no internet connection. |
| 04:17.05 | JairunCaloth | tried it as root right? |
| 04:17.30 | plt2 | Yes |
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| 04:19.03 | jpinx-eeepc | plt2: working offline is a pita ;) |
| 04:19.06 | JairunCaloth | e100 should be the driver for your other nic. I'd be supprised if it isn't working already |
| 04:20.16 | plt2 | Eth1 is up but it will not connect to the internet. It was working as of this morning. |
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| 04:22.01 | plt2 | What is the command modprobe tulip |
| 04:22.12 | JairunCaloth | should load the tulip driver |
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| 04:22.42 | JairunCaloth | or kernel module, whichever you want to call it |
| 04:22.52 | plt2 | There is a tulup in /sys/modules |
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| 04:24.16 | JairunCaloth | dunoo what that is... pretty sure the one you want is tulip |
| 04:24.37 | JairunCaloth | as root, modprobe -l | grep tulip |
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| 04:25.02 | JairunCaloth | modprobe -l lists avalible kernel drivers |
| 04:25.05 | plt2 | How else can I install tulip |
| 04:26.40 | JairunCaloth | download and build... |
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| 04:27.19 | plt2 | Warning all config files need .conf: /etc/modprob.d/display_class |
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| 04:28.15 | rue_mohr | does ubuntu really do that much better at keeping their software atleast 3 years up to date? |
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| 04:29.02 | karlpinc | rue_mohr: Better than what? testing is up to date until a freeze. sid is always up to date. |
| 04:29.09 | plt2 | I have no clue what to do |
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| 04:29.19 | rue_mohr | stable... |
| 04:29.29 | JairunCaloth | plt2 what version of debian are you running? |
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| 04:30.59 | plt2 | Is the version is the uname? |
| 04:31.16 | JairunCaloth | stable, testing, or experimental |
| 04:31.21 | plt2 | 2.6.32-5-686 i686/gnu Linux |
| 04:31.31 | JairunCaloth | aka lenny, squeeze, and sid |
| 04:32.40 | plt2 | Stable |
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| 04:39.09 | plt2 | Is there a switch I can use to install tulup? |
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| 04:39.54 | macrobat | why do you insist on "tulup" when it is called tulip? |
| 04:39.55 | un214 | does an etherenet switch count? |
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| 04:40.11 | plt2 | Sorry |
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| 04:40.42 | plt2 | The last modprobe I tried was tulip |
| 04:41.26 | JairunCaloth | I can't imagine why you wouldn't have the tulip driver... |
| 04:42.00 | plt2 | Is the correct command to install it is modprob tulip? |
| 04:42.23 | JairunCaloth | modprobe |
| 04:42.25 | JairunCaloth | but yes |
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| 04:43.06 | kian | did ethtool recently get moved? /etc/init.d/networking was looking for it in /usr/sbin but its in /sbin |
| 04:43.10 | plt2 | What is this --> Warning all config files need .conf: /etc/modprob.d/display_class |
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| 04:43.35 | JairunCaloth | should be located at /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.ko |
| 04:44.24 | plt2 | Do you want me to move that file over? |
| 04:45.05 | JairunCaloth | the file is there? |
| 04:45.47 | plt2 | This one here /kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.ko? |
| 04:47.19 | JairunCaloth | can you insmod the file? |
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| 04:48.20 | plt2 | The fine command found /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/tulip |
| 04:48.50 | JairunCaloth | but no tulip.ko ? |
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| 04:49.19 | plt2 | Its in that directory |
| 04:49.28 | JairunCaloth | so modprobe should work to load it |
| 04:49.45 | JairunCaloth | If you're sure you tried it as root, then you have other problems. |
| 04:50.01 | plt2 | Do I type modprobe fullpath+tulip.ko |
| 04:50.17 | JairunCaloth | modprobe should know where to find it |
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| 04:50.50 | JairunCaloth | what does modprobe -l show you? |
| 04:52.47 | plt2 | kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.ko |
| 04:53.35 | Leroy | clear |
| 04:53.40 | Leroy | woops ;) |
| 04:53.55 | Leroy | wrong console surry guiz |
| 04:54.13 | plt2 | Are you going to be around tommrow? |
| 04:54.21 | plt2 | Leroy No problem |
| 04:54.33 | JairunCaloth | mebe... likely someone who can help you will be |
| 04:54.45 | JairunCaloth | see if this works |
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| 04:54.59 | plt2 | ok |
| 04:55.09 | JairunCaloth | insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.ko |
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| 04:55.59 | karlpinc | has always liked the tulip cards |
| 04:56.15 | JairunCaloth | never heard of them before today :-p |
| 04:57.04 | JairunCaloth | that will need to be run as root btw |
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| 04:59.04 | plt2 | `-1 file exist |
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| 04:59.59 | JairunCaloth | .... |
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| 05:00.08 | JairunCaloth | lsmod | grep tulip |
| 05:00.36 | karlpinc | JairunCaloth: DEC did the chip and did it right. |
| 05:00.43 | plt2 | It found it |
| 05:00.46 | krt | i used to like tulips until e100 became spiffy |
| 05:00.52 | JairunCaloth | the driver is loaded already |
| 05:01.01 | JairunCaloth | lsmod shows your currently loaded drivers |
| 05:01.07 | plt2 | Its not connecting to the internet |
| 05:01.14 | JairunCaloth | ifconfig -a |
| 05:01.16 | JairunCaloth | paste bin it |
| 05:01.23 | plt2 | I can not paste. |
| 05:01.27 | JairunCaloth | oright... |
| 05:01.35 | JairunCaloth | damn lack of tubes |
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| 05:01.47 | JairunCaloth | it should show up there though |
| 05:01.58 | JairunCaloth | you ahve two nics right? |
| 05:02.05 | JairunCaloth | so eth0 and eth1 |
| 05:02.05 | plt2 | Yep |
| 05:02.21 | plt2 | yes |
| 05:02.24 | JairunCaloth | is dhclient runnign? |
| 05:02.38 | JairunCaloth | soudns like your network isn't properly configured |
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| 05:02.45 | plt2 | I am using a router for the dhcp |
| 05:03.04 | JairunCaloth | right, dhclient gets the IP from dhcp |
| 05:03.46 | plt2 | What would you like for me to do? |
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| 05:03.50 | krt | restart dhclient |
| 05:04.05 | krt | if you loaded the module after dhclient was started |
| 05:04.05 | plt2 | ifup? |
| 05:04.33 | JairunCaloth | damn module has been loaded all along... |
| 05:04.37 | JairunCaloth | from what I can tell |
| 05:04.55 | plt2 | Would command would you like for me to type? |
| 05:05.16 | krt | it was easier to type the one sentence than scroll back and figure it out ;-) |
| 05:05.28 | JairunCaloth | dhclient eth0 |
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| 05:06.08 | JairunCaloth | lenny uses dhclient right? |
| 05:06.10 | plt2 | Same error |
| 05:06.19 | JairunCaloth | what's the error? |
| 05:06.56 | JairunCaloth | have you been mucking with your network config? |
| 05:07.11 | plt2 | E100:Eth0:E100_Request_Firmware failed to load firmware "e100/d101m_ucode.bin |
| 05:07.19 | JairunCaloth | dhclient eth1 |
| 05:07.24 | plt2 | I have not touched it |
| 05:07.27 | JairunCaloth | kk |
| 05:07.56 | JairunCaloth | your e100 is eth0 so the admtek should be eth1 |
| 05:08.54 | JairunCaloth | you do have the patch cable plugged into that card rigth? |
| 05:09.14 | plt2 | Cool |
| 05:09.32 | plt2 | Let me see if I can ssh to it |
| 05:09.59 | karlpinc | plt2: Start with ping -n, then dns, then ssh. |
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| 05:10.42 | JairunCaloth | well that was going around the elbow to get to the ass.. |
| 05:10.53 | karlpinc | FWIW, dpkg is broken on irc.debian.org. |
| 05:11.23 | JairunCaloth | anywho, I gotta split have fun with your intertubes |
| 05:11.26 | plt2 | I can ping the router now |
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| 05:14.01 | plt2 | I need for the ip address to be 192.168.0.6 and not 192.168.0.5 |
| 05:14.19 | plt2 | Its ok |
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| 05:23.50 | Pink_Flood | hi.... im using gnome... everytime i want to uninstall an app like.... chesse.... the apt wants to uninstall a lot of gnome apps as well.... how can i fix that |
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| 05:24.01 | Pink_Flood | and make apt remove only the app i want |
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| 05:36.19 | simonrvn | !unmarkauto |
| 05:36.19 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 05:36.25 | simonrvn | Pink_Flood: ^^ |
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| 05:50.49 | plt2 | conf.d/mhash.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0 |
| 05:50.49 | plt2 | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/2009062 6+lfs/curl.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/curl.so: cannot open shared object f ile: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 05:52.48 | plt2 | Thank you for help. Good night everyone. |
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| 06:05.47 | niklaswe | hmm does can somone tell me what read -p doing? |
| 06:06.18 | niklaswe | i found it |
| 06:08.29 | voipzapper | is there a liveCD base on debian? |
| 06:08.35 | voipzapper | *based |
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| 06:17.13 | beardy | I told you 7(?) hours ago.. |
| 06:17.29 | beardy | !tell voipzapper -about live |
| 06:18.21 | voipzapper | beardy: sorry. i must have that. i was looking for a respose and didn't see one. thx for responding then. |
| 06:18.30 | voipzapper | *missed that |
| 06:19.02 | rozie | you can easily roll your own Debian live |
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| 06:28.34 | gnude | hello, i want to access a debian client with telnet. now i installed telnetd with aptitude, but cannot connect. hot to start the service? |
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| 06:34.52 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, sometimes iceweasel doesn't start, it says iceweasel is already running; so, in order to fix this issue, i have written a script that i launch when this happens. script has the following commands: "killall firefox-bin", "iceweasel" but on rare occasions, this scripts doesn't do the trick because the command: firefox-bin doesn't show up in the "System monitor" but it shows up in "htop"; is there any way to fix this issue with a script |
| 06:34.52 | paranoidphreak | instead of going into htop and killing it manually? |
| 06:35.04 | JairunCaloth | not sure off the top of my head, check telnetd manpage gnude |
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| 06:35.16 | JairunCaloth | though, I whould highly recommend ssh over telnet |
| 06:35.27 | JairunCaloth | very very highly |
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| 06:36.09 | JairunCaloth | paranoidphreak: You could use ps, grab the pid and kill that |
| 06:36.23 | JairunCaloth | I dunoo if that would be smart to do in a script |
| 06:36.28 | jpx | morning folks |
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| 06:37.06 | paranoidphreak | JairunCaloth: why do u say that it wouldn't be smart? |
| 06:37.06 | Tyrant91101 | I'm not sure if this is the best channel to ask but anyone know a guide to installing and securing a fresh LAMP server? I know how to install apache, php, and mysql but not how to secure it, properly set up user permissions and ftp, etc. so im looking for one that goes byond apt-get install apache2 |
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| 06:38.05 | JairunCaloth | paranoidphreak: If your regex wasn't great, you could accidently kill the wrong process |
| 06:38.23 | s3a | what is a .fdi file used for? does it vary or is there a universal use? |
| 06:38.47 | paranoidphreak | JairunCaloth: ah......so, i have to do this manually everytime it happens? |
| 06:39.13 | paranoidphreak | JairunCaloth: that sucks :( |
| 06:39.17 | JairunCaloth | Tyrant91101: I imagine you could find some pretty good on guides around the web. Configuring apache can take up whole books. |
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| 06:39.52 | Nesquick | hi there all |
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| 06:40.01 | Nesquick | i use debian lenny |
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| 06:40.20 | Nesquick | and i want to recompile postgresql withount int_64_timestamp |
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| 06:40.27 | Nesquick | could anyone help me ? |
| 06:40.30 | JairunCaloth | paranoidphreak: I'm not saying it's a completly dumb idea, but you might want to put in some sort of manual verify before you go killing processes. maybe a quick prompt like "hey gonna kill this process blah blah should I proceed?" |
| 06:40.33 | paranoidphreak | JairunCaloth: anyways, thanks for the suggestion. i guess i'll wait for someone else to help me with this issue |
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| 06:41.03 | Nesquick | anyone? |
| 06:41.12 | s3a | is .fdi a file used by HAL to detect hardware? |
| 06:41.19 | ianwizard | what'd I miss? |
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| 06:41.34 | JairunCaloth | I think .fdi is used by HAL to configure hardware that it has detected |
| 06:42.01 | paranoidphreak | JairunCaloth: oh ok..... |
| 06:42.32 | JairunCaloth | I used to have to edit a fdi file to get my touchpad to work properly. |
| 06:42.39 | s3a | JairunCaloth, thanks |
| 06:43.01 | JairunCaloth | and everytime hal got upgraded, it would get clobbered. took two or three times before I started keeping a backup |
| 06:43.03 | s3a | also do .conf files have the same behaviour except for the HAL dependence? |
| 06:43.14 | s3a | do they depend on xorg instead? |
| 06:43.39 | JairunCaloth | so... file extensions can have little/arbitrary meaning in linux |
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| 06:44.09 | JairunCaloth | By convention lots of software uses .conf files for configuration |
| 06:44.32 | JairunCaloth | but it's not a hard rule by any means |
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| 06:45.53 | s3a | ok so then i modify my question to what are .conf files usually used for |
| 06:45.59 | s3a | xorg? |
| 06:46.05 | s3a | same thing with it i mean? |
| 06:46.41 | prince_jammys | any program's configuration, usually. they're typically plain text files. |
| 06:46.44 | JairunCaloth | xorg has a .conf file, but it's not the only software that uses that convention for naming their config files. |
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| 06:47.01 | JairunCaloth | right, what prince_jammys said |
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| 06:47.26 | prince_jammys | .conf is NOT a format, it's just a naming convention to let you know you can edit that file to change config. |
| 06:47.33 | JairunCaloth | if xorg wanted to they could call their conf file "WTFCONFIGUREYOURFILEHERE.ILOVECHEESE |
| 06:48.03 | s3a | i see so, .conf and .fdi are both conventionally used for *configuration* |
| 06:48.27 | s3a | lol |
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| 06:49.02 | JairunCaloth | yes sorry, I probably should have been more clear |
| 06:49.33 | JairunCaloth | linux in generall doesn't really care about file extensions the way windows does. |
| 06:49.56 | prince_jammys | certain file extensions are just there to remind you of the purpose of the file (.conf, .rc, .bak). Other extensions do have to do with the format of the file (.py, mp3, .jpg) |
| 06:50.14 | tuv | shame.. debian's usb installer procedure is broken (hd-media + netinstall iso = error) |
| 06:50.18 | tuv | squeeze |
| 06:50.27 | s3a | prince_jammys, so are .conf files equivalen to .txt files? |
| 06:50.31 | prince_jammys | sure |
| 06:50.33 | s3a | or just similar? |
| 06:50.45 | rafuch0 | how do i set the JAVA_HOMEvar |
| 06:50.47 | rafuch0 | ? |
| 06:50.51 | s3a | like are they both "text files" |
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| 06:51.11 | prince_jammys | in both cases, the extension serves no real purpose beyond lettting the user know that they can open em with a text editor. |
| 06:51.16 | JairunCaloth | well, yes... but technically any file can be named .txt and not really be a text file. |
| 06:52.48 | prince_jammys | s3a: sure, you can rename a text file 'foo.jpg' and still read it in a text editor with no consequence. the extension is just there to help the user. |
| 06:52.49 | JairunCaloth | linux file names arn't seperated into two discrete parts like they are in windows. A file can have any number of .blah.blah.bah on it, and it doesn't really change what type of file it is. for instance, you can make a text file named cool.stuff.for.me and it's still a text file |
| 06:53.09 | s3a | prince_jammys, JairunCaloth, so can i have an mp3 file named something as opposed to something.mp3? |
| 06:53.15 | prince_jammys | yes |
| 06:53.22 | s3a | and that's only in linux? |
| 06:53.24 | s3a | well i mean |
| 06:53.25 | prince_jammys | _and_ many players won't give a shit |
| 06:53.30 | dondelelcaro | s3a: it doesn't matter; everything that really cares runs file on the file to figure out its mime type |
| 06:53.43 | dondelelcaro | s3a: it doesn't matter in the mac os world either |
| 06:53.48 | s3a | windows cares though? |
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| 06:53.57 | dondelelcaro | (though there you have the freakiness of the file creator and file type) |
| 06:53.59 | prince_jammys | it may matter to an app or two in linux. |
| 06:54.10 | dondelelcaro | s3a: it's the way that windows knows what application to associate with a file |
| 06:54.35 | s3a | dondelelcaro, can't that be said about linux too? or is it about mime type there too? |
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| 06:54.57 | tuv | is there an alternative procudre for creating a usb-installer besides hdmedia+iso? |
| 06:55.24 | s3a | also, a mime type is an identifier of what type of file it is built within the file? |
| 06:55.28 | tuv | notes that debian should really publish ready-made usb d-i images |
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| 06:57.45 | s3a | tuv, unetbootin? |
| 06:58.13 | tuv | s3a: doesn't have a good reputation with debian |
| 06:58.37 | dondelelcaro | tuv: uhh.. we do? |
| 06:59.11 | s3a | tuv, i tried it and other linuxes and it works well, except u need to remove ur HDDs boot it, then plug them back and boot |
| 06:59.19 | dondelelcaro | you dd the thing to the usb card, you shove a cd on it, you boot, and you're done. |
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| 07:00.02 | s3a | can someone confirm my mime type comment please? |
| 07:00.09 | voipzapper | now that i installed xfce4, i need to add some of the apps? or at least i think so. the "web browser" link doesn't work. |
| 07:00.11 | dondelelcaro | s3a: what about it? |
| 07:00.13 | tuv | dondelelcaro: dd what? |
| 07:00.19 | voipzapper | that's mdori |
| 07:00.46 | voipzapper | s3a: i can try but i'm not sure exactly what you mean |
| 07:00.51 | dondelelcaro | tuv: boot.img.gz to the usb, then shove a cd in it |
| 07:00.59 | dondelelcaro | tuv: the install guide covers precisely what to do |
| 07:01.29 | s3a | dondelelcaro, voipzapper i just wanted to know if a mime type is a PART of the file that says what type of file it is |
| 07:01.32 | tuv | dondelelcaro: that's what i've been trying, and referring to as the hdmedia+iso method. not working. at least not now with squeeze images from debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 07:01.40 | dondelelcaro | s3a: no, it's external to the file |
| 07:01.51 | tuv | dondelelcaro: it has worked for me before. just not today |
| 07:01.54 | dondelelcaro | s3a: you run something on the file (like file) which tells you what mime type it is based on magic numbers |
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| 07:02.04 | dondelelcaro | tuv: well, it should work in general; if it doesn't, it's a bug |
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| 07:02.05 | voipzapper | think i need to install those, but... do i do it on the individual package basis or are they names xfce4-foo or...? |
| 07:02.13 | tuv | dondelelcaro: something about mismatching kernels and being unable to load kernel modules |
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| 07:02.38 | dondelelcaro | tuv: you have to have an hdimage which matches the cd that you're throwing on the usb key |
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| 07:03.00 | xdunlapx | i feel like an idiot. im trying to install GTK themes but they never show up in the appearance app. |
| 07:03.18 | xdunlapx | i untar them to ~/.themes/ |
| 07:03.32 | s3a | dondelelcaro, thanks :) |
| 07:03.42 | s3a | magic numbers is binary? |
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| 07:03.51 | s3a | are* |
| 07:03.51 | dondelelcaro | s3a: it could be almost anyting |
| 07:04.05 | s3a | isn't everything binary? |
| 07:04.19 | prince_jammys | no, it's octal :) |
| 07:04.35 | dondelelcaro | s3a: or text, or whatever. man file; for details |
| 07:04.36 | prince_jammys | binary is just a means of representing a number |
| 07:04.39 | xdunlapx | does anyone know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 07:05.00 | tuv | dondelelcaro: i get that, but they are not available at one place, and there is no way, AFAIK, to tell whether they match or not. i just download them at the same time and hope they match since they're current |
| 07:05.10 | s3a | prince_jammys, so a binary is a octal but an octal is not a binary? |
| 07:05.40 | dondelelcaro | s3a: they can be mapped to eachother... |
| 07:05.58 | s3a | wait so what's machine language in programming? |
| 07:06.01 | dondelelcaro | tuv: usually that's the case; I think the cdimages also include the hdimage files, so... |
| 07:06.06 | prince_jammys | s3a: a 'binary' file usually refers to a file that contains bytes that can't be represented as text, if that's what you mean. |
| 07:06.08 | s3a | machine code* |
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| 07:06.22 | dondelelcaro | prince_jammys: it's a superset, really |
| 07:06.36 | s3a | prince_jammys, no i already knew that, i just meant the 0101010101 stuff |
| 07:06.37 | prince_jammys | right |
| 07:06.58 | prince_jammys | the 0101 stuff is just one of many ways of representing a number |
| 07:08.13 | kmonk | xdunlapx: are they in their own subfolders? what are you using to select them. |
| 07:08.29 | s3a | but i thought everything including cursor motion is understood as 0s and 1s by the computer |
| 07:09.16 | kmonk | tar -xf <archive name> ~/.themes will do it, but you may want to use xarchiver instead |
| 07:09.26 | xdunlapx | I put them in their own folder in .themes/ , i make sure to remove excess folders in between the theme files and the top directory for the theme |
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| 07:10.17 | ubsafder | hello |
| 07:10.24 | kmonk | /home/user/.themes/Aero-ion3.1/gtk-2.0/ under there i have a bunch of png's and such |
| 07:10.24 | jelly-hme | s3a: "binary" means at least 2-3 different things depending on context |
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| 07:10.42 | xdunlapx | kmonk thanks ill try that, adding the gtk-2.0 folder |
| 07:11.14 | ubsafder | how do i check my run levels for a script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 07:11.18 | kmonk | xdunlapx: well if the folder structure isn't there, then you extracted it improperly, use xarchiver |
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| 07:11.47 | kmonk | it can be easier for fiddly things like this than tar |
| 07:11.48 | s3a | jelly-hme, ok well i'm satisfied with the responses i got because it answered my initial questions, i was just trying to push the learning further :) |
| 07:11.56 | s3a | so ya thanks everyone |
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| 07:12.18 | prince_jammys | there are 10 kinds of people ... |
| 07:12.28 | rkhshm | how do i list all the pkgs present in a given repositroy |
| 07:12.29 | prince_jammys | ducks |
| 07:13.29 | xdunlapx | kmonk, that didn't work. i |
| 07:13.41 | xdunlapx | it has the gtk folder in there but it still wont show up in the theme manager |
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| 07:14.45 | Nesquick | guys |
| 07:14.49 | Nesquick | i have a big problem |
| 07:14.50 | xdunlapx | interesting. it worked by "Installing" the theme tar.gz. |
| 07:14.52 | Nesquick | i deleted a folder |
| 07:14.58 | xdunlapx | it doesnt always work by doing that though |
| 07:15.00 | Nesquick | and when i try apt-get autoremove -f |
| 07:15.18 | Nesquick | i recieve |
| 07:15.22 | Nesquick | and error |
| 07:15.40 | xdunlapx | oh wait it didn't install. it said it did but its not in the list. |
| 07:16.10 | kmonk | rkhshm: i use ' apt-file show <pkg-name> ' |
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| 07:16.31 | rkhshm | kmonk: that will be only for a pkg |
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| 07:16.49 | rkhshm | i dont want that.. I want to know the packges that are currently in the repo |
| 07:16.51 | rkhshm | all the pkgs |
| 07:16.51 | kmonk | aah |
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| 07:17.01 | rkhshm | i tried apt-cache pkgnames |
| 07:17.05 | rkhshm | is that correct? |
| 07:17.31 | ubsafder | anyone knows to troubleshoot startup scripts |
| 07:17.32 | rkhshm | the manpage says it will list all the pkgs in the system. |
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| 07:19.10 | kmonk | ubsafder: i use a handy program called bum. "boot up manager" |
| 07:19.12 | streuner_ | ubsafder: make it more verbose? |
| 07:19.51 | kmonk | ubsafder: pro |
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| 07:20.31 | streuner_ | ubsafder: what kind of script? |
| 07:20.35 | kmonk | ubsafder: pros use rcconf and edit the digits at the top of the scripts themsevles, not reccomended unless you have a really good idea of how runlevels work, |
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| 07:27.04 | kmonk | Nesquick: hi :) |
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| 07:27.25 | kmonk | Nesquick: wha'ts the error, use pastebin if it's more than say three lines. |
| 07:27.45 | Nesquick | kmonk: |
| 07:27.49 | Nesquick | i reinstall psotgresql |
| 07:27.58 | Nesquick | and it dosen't create /etc/postgresql/ |
| 07:28.05 | Nesquick | any idea? |
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| 07:28.22 | ubsafder | my pb is with /etc/init.d/vboxdrv does not look to run automatically |
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| 07:28.32 | ubsafder | when i boot |
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| 07:29.47 | raiffa | how do i add 32 bit repositories on a 64 bit installation? I want to mirror (via apt-mirror) both but copying lines from sources.list to mirror.list only gets the 64 bit repos... |
| 07:29.53 | Nesquick | solved |
| 07:29.55 | Nesquick | :) |
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| 07:30.28 | kmonk | shot... how ^_^ |
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| 07:30.59 | fipss1 | hi all, i have following problem since quite a while when doing a dselect update (debian unstable) -> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 60680 package 'virtualbox-3.0': error in Version string `3.0.12-54655_Debian_lenny': invalid character in revision number |
| 07:31.15 | fipss1 | anyone an idea how to fix this, i found no answer when searching in google |
| 07:32.16 | jelly-hme | fipss1: tell virtualbox people not to use underscores in package versions |
| 07:32.51 | fipss1 | jelly-hme: ok an idea, but so long, what to do, as this error is realy anoying |
| 07:33.06 | jelly-hme | edit the available file? |
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| 07:33.28 | fipss1 | jelly-hme: i tried this, but when doing an update again, the lines are back again |
| 07:33.29 | kmonk | use qemu? :p |
| 07:33.44 | jelly-hme | use aptitude instead of dselect? File a bug report? |
| 07:34.51 | kmonk | if that fails you could do it the hardman way, download virtualbox source, make, checkinstall make install, then set the package version yourself... |
| 07:35.27 | fipss1 | kmonk: i currently have installed virtualbox-3.1 |
| 07:35.41 | Nesquick | pgsql command is part of what package? |
| 07:35.53 | fipss1 | kmonk: so i don't want to install it, just get rid of the error |
| 07:35.58 | jelly-hme | kmonk: he's not complaining about vbox. he's complaining about dselect. |
| 07:36.11 | fipss1 | or can i blacklist the package in apt/priority ? |
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| 07:38.21 | jelly-hme | simplest thing to do is to disable the third party repo with the broken package, and update the available file |
| 07:38.45 | fjorgynn | no |
| 07:38.55 | jelly-hme | !tell fipss1 about available |
| 07:39.10 | fipss1 | jelly-hme: i just have debian sources in my sources.list |
| 07:39.30 | jelly-hme | fipss1: read what dpkg tells you in the private message |
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| 07:40.27 | fipss1 | dpkg: thx |
| 07:40.27 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 07:40.38 | jelly-hme | it's a bot! |
| 07:40.53 | fipss1 | i know , but at least he has good answers |
| 07:40.55 | jelly-hme | fipss1: you can give it a botsnack instead |
| 07:40.56 | oblikoamorale | .ÑÑ |
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| 07:42.14 | ubsafder | ok i am ok with bum pb solved |
| 07:42.45 | kmonk | silly name for a great program. |
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| 07:49.11 | bluegene | how can i make {X,wpa_supplicant} automatically start at bootup? |
| 07:50.47 | beardy | How do I easiest find out the resolution I'm using in X? |
| 07:51.23 | beardy | bluegene: X, and wpa_supplicant, or is that something else? |
| 07:51.39 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 07:51.39 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 08:00.24 | kie27 | greetings all, am trying to install debian squeeze amd64 using a netinstall CD on new blank computer, (am running squeeze (but not amd64) on my laptop). The computer detects mouse/keyboard/hub at startup it boots from the CDROM problem is it freezes when it gets to language selection stage, or perhaps it can no longer detect the keyboard at that point, am using a wired USB apple keyboard. Help please. |
| 08:01.30 | jacekowski | it can |
| 08:01.41 | jacekowski | it's just that apple keyboard has non standard keyboard layout |
| 08:01.49 | jacekowski | and it's not going to work |
| 08:05.18 | kie27 | :( is there any work around, it is the only keyboard that I have apart from my laptop keyboard. |
| 08:05.18 | jacekowski | nope |
| 08:05.18 | jacekowski | apple sux |
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| 08:05.19 | kie27 | jacekowski: thanks, well at least I know the solution (to buy, beg, borrow or steal another keyboard). |
| 08:05.19 | jacekowski | and never come close to apple again |
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| 08:05.25 | jacekowski | but i have to say that apple wireless keyboard works very well with my n900 |
| 08:05.34 | jacekowski | because it's small and robust enough to survive in my bag |
| 08:05.52 | jacekowski | but it requires some trickery with keyboard layout |
| 08:06.46 | kie27 | jacekowski: the same apple usb keyboard is working well with squeeze on my laptop (so it just seems to be a problem during installation) |
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| 08:09.21 | lxsys | hello, can anybody tell me how to disable "tap to click" on my touchpad on debian lenny? |
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| 08:19.34 | lxsys | hello, can anybody tell me how to disable "tap to click" on my touchpad on debian lenny? |
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| 08:31.11 | lxsys | hello, can anybody tell me how to disable "tap to click" on my touchpad on debian lenny? |
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| 08:33.44 | kmonk | kian: it probably has more to do with the kernel support for apple hid devices |
| 08:34.40 | kmonk | well i may do just a thought... HID_APPLE under -> device drivers > hid devices > special hid drivers, defines support for apple devices |
| 08:35.04 | ColdFyre | lxsys: we heard you the first time |
| 08:35.07 | kmonk | so you may want to try upgrading your kernel |
| 08:37.14 | xyan | judd: versions nasm |
| 08:37.15 | judd | nasm -- etch: 0.98.38-1.2; lenny: 2.03.01-1; sid: 2.08.01-1; squeeze: 2.08.01-1 |
| 08:37.24 | pfuender | lxsys, maybe this one helps: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/heres-how-to-disable-tap-to-click-on-laptop-touchpads-672893/ |
| 08:37.32 | kmonk | beardy: in a terminal ' xrandr ' your resolution is the one with a * under it |
| 08:37.49 | kmonk | sorry, with a * next to it. |
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| 08:41.38 | lxsys | pfuender: thanks |
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| 08:59.33 | AlexC_ | I'm wanting to create a custom Debian package of PHP here (instead of compiling it all the time on our different servers), what is the best name to call the directory? Currently it's 'php-5.3.3' but would 'php-5.3.3-foobar' be better? |
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| 09:41.13 | jelly | fhffhqvb: irregular netsplit then |
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| 09:42.02 | csanyipal | I just installed Pidgin on Squeeze, but can't run it: error: line 11: bad flagvector |
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| 09:42.13 | csanyipal | anybody has the solution? |
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| 09:45.09 | fhffhqvb | !tell csanyipal about bugs |
| 09:45.24 | nsadmin | csanyipal: that;s the same question as "is this a known problem" |
| 09:45.42 | nsadmin | and questions of both forms are answered on the bts |
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| 09:46.20 | csanyipal | nsadmin: thanks |
| 09:46.24 | nsadmin | if it's a solved problem, a patch or something will be there |
| 09:46.25 | csanyipal | fhffhqvb: thanks! |
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| 10:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, he forgot to ask you what the bts is... |
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| 10:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and "tell someone about bugs" doesn't do much useful either... |
| 10:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bugs |
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| 10:34.45 | _0x47 | Hi! How do I add the nostrip and noopt cflags to a CDBS debian package. I tried "CFLAGS += nostrip noopt" in debian/rules, but the build fails with "final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output". |
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| 10:45.42 | dondelelcaro | _0x47: you want DEB_BUILD_OPTS="nostrip noopt" debian/rules clean binary; or similar |
| 10:46.10 | dondelelcaro | s/OPTS/OPTIONS/ |
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| 10:48.22 | sid3k | hi all, I'm trying to open rxvt and raises loadEmitter(); |
| 10:48.36 | sid3k | raises "can't open display:0" error |
| 10:48.50 | sid3k | I didn't install any gui |
| 10:49.20 | _0x47 | dondelelcaro: thank you! let me try |
| 10:50.07 | sid3k | how can I fix it? |
| 10:50.57 | sid3k | I feel like I'm transparent in this channel |
| 10:52.22 | xyan | sid3k: rxvt is a gui app so it wont start without xorg up and running unless you use ssh with xforwarding |
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| 11:07.28 | _0x47 | dondelelcaro: file still sais the binary is stripped :( Any idea? (I tried OPTS and OPTIONS). And I don't have a clean binary section as this is a CDBS package, see http://debathena.mit.edu/packaging/ |
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| 11:31.35 | kdasdasf | hi i know debian etch was removed from the package mirrors but i need another version of a program without the possibility to upgrade the hole system |
| 11:31.39 | kdasdasf | whats the preferred way? |
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| 11:35.31 | streuner | kdasdasf: why not just make you own deb? |
| 11:36.08 | streuner | kdasdasf: (basically, /msg dpkg ssb) |
| 11:36.09 | kdasdasf | streuner, isn't there like a mirror of the latest versions? |
| 11:36.36 | streuner | kdasdasf: does the package has a name? |
| 11:36.43 | kdasdasf | it's vim |
| 11:36.52 | streuner | judd, versions vim |
| 11:36.53 | judd | vim -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2; lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; experimental: 2:7.3f.20100812+hg~20e83abf88b1-1; sid: 2:7.3.000+hg~ee53a39d5896-1 |
| 11:36.55 | kdasdasf | whichs needs vim-runtime and stuff |
| 11:37.35 | fjorgynn | Thu Aug 19 13:37:34 CEST 2010 |
| 11:38.29 | kdasdasf | if i do apt-get update and then apt-get install it tells me 404 |
| 11:38.40 | jelly | fjorgynn: don't. |
| 11:39.07 | jelly | kdasdasf: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
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| 11:40.07 | kdasdasf | ah thx |
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| 11:41.21 | fjorgynn | found it |
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| 11:48.41 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I was wondering, when one inserts a usb stick and it's automounted under gnome, it is possible to unmount the stick using normal umount /mountpoint. Now, without unplugging and replugging the device, how can one trigger the automount mechanism again ? |
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| 11:51.11 | ahc | Night_elf: once you manually unmount usb stick, you'll have to restick it again. |
| 11:51.34 | ahc | Night_elf: this will automount stick. |
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| 11:53.00 | Night_Elf | ahc: That makes sense. But there is no way to do that without physically resticking the device? |
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| 11:54.00 | ahc | Night_Elf: there is, but hal does the automount. |
| 11:54.16 | Night_Elf | ahc: the idea is that I want to test some stuff happing when the device is automounted and the machine is like 6m away, has no console of its own and login to it remotely. To and fro every 2mins is a pain ^^ |
| 11:54.46 | easyfit | you lazy slob :P |
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| 11:55.08 | ahc | Night_Elf: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Automounting_card_readers_and_USB_keys_using_autofs |
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| 11:55.24 | Night_Elf | easyfit: yea envy me :D |
| 11:55.48 | easyfit | I totally understand you actually, I often have similar problems :) |
| 11:56.28 | Night_Elf | but really, I mean changing an option and then testing if it will work, is really bothersome.. I've done it so for the past 20mins and I'm now getting nervous |
| 11:56.30 | Night_Elf | lol |
| 11:56.37 | ahc | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/9937 |
| 11:56.51 | ahc | if you are into hal/udev/dbus stuff |
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| 11:57.30 | Night_Elf | ahc: will check on those. Thanks |
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| 12:13.13 | psycho | I'm trying to connect my debian box to an xbox 360. I would like to play videos/music from my debian box on my 360. I'm using ushare server on debian to connect to the xbox through an ethernet connection. The problem is...they can't connect to each other...but what's even more messed up...the debian box can hear the screams of the xbox. |
| 12:13.20 | psycho | was my msg cut? |
| 12:14.06 | petemc | you're saying beowulf and srushe are the same person? |
| 12:14.09 | visof | how can i restart ssh server ? |
| 12:14.11 | petemc | erm, wrong chan |
| 12:14.19 | petemc | psycho: did you tell ushare to broadcast upnp in the special way the 360 requires |
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| 12:14.36 | petemc | visof: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 12:15.27 | psycho | petemc: well I did try--- sudo route add -net 239.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 eth0 however..that didn't appear to do much. |
| 12:15.45 | petemc | psycho: no, i mean i start ushare with -X |
| 12:15.47 | psycho | I did that because it was an example on the intro page |
| 12:15.51 | psycho | oh! yeah |
| 12:16.16 | psycho | my command is: ushare -c xbox360_share -x |
| 12:16.19 | petemc | i dont believe upnp is routable either |
| 12:17.06 | psycho | the xbox sends certain packets to the debian box...DHCP, ART, NOTIFY HTTP/1.1... :( |
| 12:17.14 | psycho | I mean, ARP |
| 12:17.21 | petemc | so they're on the same segment? |
| 12:18.23 | petemc | for me, ushare worked with very little config, just ensured it did the xbox compat thing, searched for computers with the xbox, done |
| 12:18.25 | psycho | I'm not sure what you mean by segment. I got those packets by looking at eth0 through wireshark, a packet analyzermajiger |
| 12:18.44 | psycho | I know this is so weird for me |
| 12:19.05 | psycho | you know what else is weird.../dev/eth0 doesn't exist...yet my internet works |
| 12:19.19 | petemc | nics have no device |
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| 12:19.26 | psycho | well! |
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| 12:19.35 | petemc | they're one of the exceptions to the unix rule of everythign being a file |
| 12:19.59 | psycho | I always wanted to try /dev/random > /dev/eth0 |
| 12:20.06 | psycho | I mean cat! |
| 12:20.21 | psycho | I just want to watch videos on xbox nowz :( |
| 12:20.24 | OpenTokix | It would rain cats and dogs on the network |
| 12:20.27 | Aouta | you can suck |
| 12:21.13 | psycho | well lets just say the cat wouldn't shut up |
| 12:21.46 | psycho | now seriously pplz...me needs this working :( |
| 12:21.49 | psycho | or else |
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| 12:22.10 | OpenTokix | psycho: did you start the daemon with -x? |
| 12:22.17 | psycho | yes |
| 12:22.44 | psycho | I tried pinging the xbox |
| 12:22.49 | psycho | that didn't work |
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| 12:23.06 | OpenTokix | then I would assume it's not there |
| 12:23.14 | psycho | I know the xbox's IP because I can smell it through the powers of the debian box! |
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| 12:23.33 | psycho | wireshark tells me the IP |
| 12:23.39 | OpenTokix | Maybe you should cut down on the drugs, until the troubleshooting is done? |
| 12:23.48 | psycho | ok...ok |
| 12:23.52 | Night_Elf | I know not xbox, but does it know how to ping others? if yes, can it see the debian box ? |
| 12:24.44 | macrobat | how do you run wireshark? as a user I get no access to eth0, as root I get a warning |
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| 12:25.00 | Night_Elf | i simply ignore the warning |
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| 12:25.13 | psycho | Night_Elf: xbox 360 can only test the network connection by sending it demons of packets to manipulate the beast of the debian box while influencing..omg aaahhh! |
| 12:25.46 | psycho | macrobat: only as root can one access the eth0 |
| 12:25.56 | macrobat | i'd like a "wireshark" group with rights to use eth0 or something |
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| 12:27.27 | psycho | so...something is wrong with my debian box...hmmm....I usually prefer to use "delete this and see what happens" approach, but I'm not sure if that will work here... |
| 12:28.29 | psycho | omg I don't even know what my problem is anymore |
| 12:30.44 | OpenTokix | psycho: probably is your problem that you xbox have ip on the wrong netblock or you are not allowed to send broadcast packages to your debianbox due to some iptables rules etc. - is my guest |
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| 12:34.36 | K0JIbKA | Hi all! Could someone of you guys take a look at the scratch script posted here http://pastebin.com/tAtXZPst and give me a clue to perform it with same folder constantly. The thing is there are a few files with identical name pattern inside and I need file name to increase it's value each time the script is run. For example filename123.m4a should be converted into filename123.mp3 then filename124.m4a will be converted next time without deleting previous fil |
| 12:35.47 | K0JIbKA | :-[yes, I've heard of 'abs-guide' |
| 12:36.50 | macrobat | K0JIbKA: maybe #bash knows better. you need to test if a file exist. try [ -e filename.bla ] man test |
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| 12:37.22 | K0JIbKA | macrobat:i'll try now:) |
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| 12:38.28 | alcohol | everytime I boot up my machine I get a grub 2 error. it contains 2 drives from a raid1 setup from another machine (same 3ware controller). I'm trying to recover data from them. during boot, the 3ware menu says rebuilding each time, but it rather quickly jumps to the grub error after that. what can I do? |
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| 12:39.40 | alcohol | it doesn't seem like it is given the time to rebuild the array. |
| 12:40.06 | HideMe | I was doing a net-install with no internet connection, so I skipped the package part. Is there a way to resume/re-run now that I've got connectivity? |
| 12:40.30 | psycho | `sudo route` says: |
| 12:40.32 | psycho | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 12:40.37 | psycho | is that healthy? |
| 12:40.58 | alcohol | try #ubuntu |
| 12:41.25 | tbsaunde | HideMe: tasksel |
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| 12:42.14 | HideMe | alcohol, whom are you speaking to? |
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| 12:42.56 | alcohol | psycho |
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| 12:43.34 | psycho | ok |
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| 12:46.35 | HideMe | tbsaunde, doesn't look like that is available in a net-install. |
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| 12:47.53 | knielsen | HideMe: sudo apt-get install tasksel? |
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| 12:55.07 | K0JIbKA | macrobat: have no idea why it says ':command not found' two times in a row. Supposed to be a comment actually.. http://pastebin.com/mXaWReDL |
| 12:59.56 | K0JIbKA | Script to convert podcasts from .m4a to .mp3 format http://pastebin.com/tAtXZPst can see no mistake. Entered one by one these commands convert and move the file into new location. May be broken permissions? |
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| 13:00.25 | datacrusher | hello everyone. a few days later iv tossed a problem here that jobs on my root crontab uses different locales settings than my system, but didnt manage to fix this issue. Anyone can help me set the locales used by cron? |
| 13:00.29 | MrDudle | is there a way to tell if my wireless card will work out of the box with debian? |
| 13:01.44 | K0JIbKA | MrDudle: I doubt if there's one to tell with any of OSes:) |
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| 13:02.10 | metalfoo | Find out the chipset in question, then look if the driver is supported in Debian's kernel version. |
| 13:02.16 | MrDudle | K0JIbKA, well i thought maybe there was a list of supported things |
| 13:02.20 | metalfoo | If so, your wifi will work out of the box. |
| 13:02.32 | metalfoo | There are lists. |
| 13:02.51 | MrDudle | methow do i find out if it's in the debian kernel version? |
| 13:02.56 | MrDudle | i can find the chipset |
| 13:02.59 | K0JIbKA | Yes sure |
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| 13:03.37 | metalfoo | http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php/cat/10 may give you a hint |
| 13:03.47 | MrDudle | ty |
| 13:06.11 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: try this : http://pastebin.com/TMJ1Gqwx |
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| 13:07.16 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: i've just change something in your script to automate the described process ;) |
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| 13:08.18 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: thus i have no exp about ffmpeg options, you must find the right one for your use ;) |
| 13:08.24 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:08.42 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: let me take a look at that, just a moment |
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| 13:12.25 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: oops, the path on the line 13 should be /home/nikobit/music/A\ State\ of\ Trance\ Official\ Podcast/ |
| 13:12.30 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: sorry :D |
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| 13:12.54 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: must be syntax problem. it can't find the directory in ' |
| 13:13.03 | K0JIbKA | cd' command |
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| 13:13.47 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: :) i dont know your folder structure so you must correct this yourself |
| 13:14.17 | jimcooncat | in a preseed file, how do I make sure "recommends" dependencies are installed? |
| 13:15.42 | K0JIbKA | tuantub:take a look at this http://pastebin.com/juD10kHp i don't have a clue what's wrong with my path to directory |
| 13:16.17 | K0JIbKA | if command is performed not in script it runs smooth |
| 13:16.25 | moldovean | jimcooncat, "recommends" are installed by default , as i know |
| 13:16.51 | jimcooncat | thanks moldovean. I'll do an install to check it out! |
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| 13:18.01 | K0JIbKA | think something is wrong with my $PATH variables but what? |
| 13:18.18 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: K0JIbKA let me take a look ;) |
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| 13:23.55 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: have you checked your folder structure ? |
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| 13:25.02 | sed` | where can I find the boot log? /var/log/{messages,dmesg} only seem to contain kernel messages, not init messages |
| 13:25.43 | sed` | (debian testing) |
| 13:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | datacrusher, read "man 5 crontab" - search for environment in there |
| 13:26.53 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: try this and let me know if it works : http://pastebin.com/nDR5KiQb |
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| 13:29.02 | plt2 | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/imap.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/imap.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 13:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | datacrusher, it also explains about what happens to the LC_* variables and what happens if they are not set |
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| 13:31.50 | plt2 | I already upgraded to the newer version of debian |
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| 13:33.01 | R1ck_ | plt2: the message says very clearly whats wrong: No such file or directory. So find the file and put it in place or make php not load it |
| 13:33.11 | AlexC_ | plt2: you're trying to load the imap extension which your install doesn't have |
| 13:33.58 | plt2 | Its doing the same thing when I installed php5-curl and I used aptitude to install it |
| 13:34.21 | plt2 | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/curl.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/curl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 13:34.41 | plt2 | I am trying to figure out how to fix it? |
| 13:35.05 | R1ck_ | those files are missing |
| 13:35.25 | R1ck_ | to fix it put them back or stop PHP from loading them |
| 13:35.43 | plt2 | Shared file should be included php5-curl |
| 13:35.56 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: well that's the output http://pastebin.com/j7tEPKbR |
| 13:36.08 | AlexC_ | plt2: find /usr/lib -name curl.so # check if there is any such file |
| 13:36.46 | K0JIbKA | permissions? |
| 13:36.49 | plt2 | ./usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/curl.so |
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| 13:37.35 | AlexC_ | plt2: edit your php.ini - which could be /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini - look for the extension_dir - any value set? |
| 13:37.53 | plt2 | Which directory should it be in? |
| 13:37.59 | plt2 | Ok |
| 13:38.01 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: whicht script have you used ? |
| 13:38.10 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: No such file or directoryobit/Podcasts/A State of Trance Official Podcast |
| 13:38.10 | K0JIbKA | your last one |
| 13:38.13 | AlexC_ | it *could* be there, plt2 - I have no idea what you're using PHP for or what you have installed |
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| 13:38.29 | K0JIbKA | http://pastebin.com/nDR5KiQb |
| 13:38.46 | AlexC_ | plt2: however, I'd report a bug for it - the directories are incorrect and don't match up |
| 13:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell plt2 -about apt-file |
| 13:39.28 | plt2 | I am not using apt any more to install stuff. I am using aptitude |
| 13:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | plt2, I would be grateful if you read the factoid before you comment on it... |
| 13:39.50 | K0JIbKA | i have to translate localized lines into English by the way. Bash output is not exactly the same at my screen:) |
| 13:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-file != apt-get |
| 13:40.25 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: type : find $HOME/Podcasts -type d |
| 13:40.32 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: and give me the output |
| 13:40.40 | plt2 | != apt-get |
| 13:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | plt2, search with that, what package the file is in, find that imap.so is in php5-imap, check if the package is installed with dpkg -l php5-imap and install it |
| 13:40.51 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: type : find $HOME/music -type d |
| 13:40.59 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: too |
| 13:40.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | plt2, and aptitude is also "apt" that's why it's called _APT_titude |
| 13:41.12 | kjs | how can I find out who maintains the bitlbee dpkg for debian? (if anyone does..) |
| 13:41.28 | plt2 | ok |
| 13:42.42 | petemc | kjs: /msg dpkg maint bitlbee , or apt-cache show bitlbee |
| 13:42.47 | datacrusher | CutMeOwnThroat, not very claryfing the man 5 crontab. ill google a little more then :( |
| 13:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | datacrusher, what? it explains how to set environment variables and also pretty much explains where your trouble comes from |
| 13:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | datacrusher, I guess you have $LANG set, but no $LC_CTYPE |
| 13:43.55 | datacrusher | hmm ill check this out |
| 13:44.09 | datacrusher | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.12 | datacrusher | :D |
| 13:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | datacrusher, you can just set LANG in the file |
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| 13:50.24 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: here it is http://pastebin.com/5W3eXaYF |
| 13:50.55 | datacrusher | CutMeOwnThroat, my etc/environment was a blank file |
| 13:50.58 | datacrusher | i thik this will do now |
| 13:51.28 | datacrusher | how do i check my current system locale settings, without re running the dkpg-reconfigure locales? |
| 13:51.35 | zeev_ | Hi, I would like to have a proof(recognized by court) that I was in possession of certain information at certain time. 1) Can I just send this information to my email account and once I need it - I'll show that email with the receiving date? i.e. is it possible to forge the receiving date of an email, and therefore an email like this is no longer a proof? 2) if the trick with email is impossible - does debian have a program to timestamp |
| 13:51.36 | zeev_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | datacrusher, that file is not mentioned in the manpage... instead it says On the Debian GNU/Linux system, cron supports the pam_env module, and |
| 13:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yet, you should be able to simply set variables within the crontab file |
| 13:55.17 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: quite a mess huh?:-D |
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| 13:55.55 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: :) |
| 13:55.56 | helo | zeev_: if you did a SHA hash of the information, and then publicly distributed the hash, you would be safe until SHA is cracked... but talk to a freaking lawyer |
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| 13:56.33 | CoreGate1 | hi *! |
| 13:56.46 | acu | how can I change the default location for .img - I have another partition where I want to keep my .img and everytime I create a new VM it forces me to use /var/lib/bla blah - can anyone tell me how to change the default location ? |
| 13:57.11 | zeev_ | helo: what about email - can I distribute it to myself? |
| 13:57.53 | zeev_ | helo: can one manipulate the recieving date of an email? |
| 13:57.54 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: try this one : http://pastebin.com/X66UuwMX |
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| 13:58.32 | helo | zeev_: with control of the right servers involved, yeah |
| 13:59.32 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: trying |
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| 13:59.41 | zeev_ | helo: do you mean the server where the email account is located or it can be even other servers? |
| 14:00.36 | helo | zeev_: if you escrowed the hash of the data, i think it might be admissable as proof of knowledge when it was left... but a lawyer would actually be able to tell you what you should do |
| 14:01.38 | zeev_ | thank you |
| 14:02.45 | K0JIbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.51 | zeev_ | is there a program in debian that generates SHA hash? |
| 14:03.06 | metalfoo | sha1_sum |
| 14:03.18 | metalfoo | err without _ |
| 14:03.18 | zeev_ | thanks |
| 14:04.15 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: I don't get it. what command it searches in line 2? |
| 14:04.25 | jimcooncat | does gnash now support most needs, or would a home user be much happier with flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 14:04.36 | K0JIbKA | There's only a comment there |
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| 14:05.16 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: i currently dont understand why the problem occured :-ss |
| 14:05.27 | tarzeau_ | jimcooncat: i don't like gnash |
| 14:05.29 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: try to chmod +x m4a2mp3 |
| 14:05.46 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: and execute it with ./m4a2mp3 |
| 14:06.07 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: Ok |
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| 14:06.24 | jimcooncat | thanks tarzeau_. I see three different flashplugin-nonfree packages. regular, -extrasound and -pulse. What to pick? |
| 14:06.41 | tarzeau_ | jimcooncat: no idea, i use the one from adobe |
| 14:07.38 | metalfoo | jimcooncat: The pakages, that fits best your audio environment. Ig you don't use libpulse or other exotic audio environments use the regular. |
| 14:07.54 | jimcooncat | thanks metalfoo |
| 14:08.08 | tarzeau_ | jimcooncat: or read the long description, it should explain the differences |
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| 14:09.50 | K0JIbKA | tuantub: bash: ./m4a2mp3: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 14:10.04 | K0JIbKA | that's what it is now |
| 14:10.29 | tarzeau_ | K0JIbKA: run dos2unix on that file |
| 14:10.45 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: :) |
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| 14:11.14 | K0JIbKA | tarzeau_: OMG |
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| 14:13.04 | tuantub | K0JIbKA: how could it be that your editor "dos"-like file saved ? :-) |
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| 14:14.08 | K0JIbKA | It's just gEdit. Ok , thank you all, i'll better go now. try to find the way out later, by! |
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| 14:14.41 | Techtronic | hello, where is glib.h ? |
| 14:15.18 | tuantub | Techtronic: dpkg -S glib.h |
| 14:15.43 | Techtronic | tuantub ok: /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h |
| 14:15.52 | Techtronic | but: /usr/include/libgtop-2.0/glibtop.h:25:18: error: glib.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:16.24 | tuantub | Techtronic: no idea :) |
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| 14:21.17 | Techtronic | broken i changed #include #include <glib-2.0/glib.h> |
| 14:21.25 | Techtronic | beut now have err to |
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| 14:21.34 | Techtronic | /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h:32:26: error: glib/galloca.h: No such file or directory |
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| 14:23.26 | plt2 | I am still having the same problem after I copied the curl.so file to the apache extension directory |
| 14:23.49 | plt2 | HP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/curl.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/curl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 14:24.10 | plt2 | I do not anyhthing about c |
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| 14:27.14 | marcin__ | Hi. Does anyone use tftpd-hpa? I want to run it as a non root user but option -u seems to work in a different manner that I thought. |
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| 14:29.00 | plt2 | Does anyone have any recommendations please? |
| 14:29.18 | Techtronic | plt2: php -m|grep curl |
| 14:29.24 | Techtronic | loaded? |
| 14:30.39 | Techtronic | file exist? ldd /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/curl.so |
| 14:31.02 | plt2 | Yes |
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| 14:31.21 | plt2 | Hold on |
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| 14:31.37 | jordanm | is your machine still a terribly borken mess of really outdated testing? |
| 14:31.50 | jordanm | because that was surely the problem here |
| 14:32.47 | plt2 | The exenstion directory is is /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs and not /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/curl.so |
| 14:33.03 | plt2 | Which one do you want me to check? |
| 14:33.58 | Techtronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.15 | Techtronic | so exenstion directory is /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/ |
| 14:34.44 | Techtronic | yes? |
| 14:35.34 | plt2 | The file is in there now |
| 14:36.47 | macrobat | i'm trying to mount a vfat usb stick. getting "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1". dmesg says "FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! FAT: codepage cp437 not found" |
| 14:37.07 | macrobat | i have a custom 2.6.35 kernel |
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| 14:39.23 | jelly | macrobat: sounds like you forgot to include CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437 |
| 14:39.47 | D4rKr0W | hello #debian, what is the current status of the transition for the new stable? do you guys think it could be a good thing to upgrade already? I have some packages from testing in my lenny, but i wanted to wait for some official guide for the upgrade |
| 14:39.56 | macrobat | ty jelly |
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| 14:40.59 | jelly | macrobat: do you have any other CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_* set? if you do, use a iocharset=... mount option that's available |
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| 14:42.24 | jelly | otoh that might not be enough |
| 14:43.45 | Techtronic | jelly: libgtop-2.0.dev is broken package? /usr/include/libgtop-2.0/glibtop.h:25:18: error: glib.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:44.15 | jordanm | D4rKr0W: wait until release |
| 14:44.32 | jordanm | ,file glib.h |
| 14:44.35 | judd | glib.h in lenny/i386: libglib1.2-dev: usr/include/glib-1.2/glib.h; libtntnet-dev: usr/include/tnt/langlib.h; libleptonica-dev: usr/include/leptonica/jpeglib.h; libsofia-sip-ua-glib-dev: usr/include/sofia-sip-1.12/sofia-sip/su_glib.h; libglrr-glib-dev: usr/include/glrr-glib/glrr-glib.h; libxmmsclient-glib-dev: usr/include/xmms2/xmmsclient/xmmsclient-glib.h; libxmmsclient++-glib-dev: |
| 14:44.37 | judd | usr/include/xmms2/xmmsclient/xmmsclient++-glib.h; liberis-1.3-dev: usr/include/Eris-1.3/Eris/PollGlib.h; libtag1-dev: usr/include/taglib/taglib.h; liblablgtk2-ocaml-dev: usr/lib/ocaml/3.10.2/lablgtk2/ml_glib.h; liboop-dev: usr/include/oop-glib.h; libopenipmi-dev: usr/include/OpenIPMI/ipmi_glib.h; libjpeg62-dev: usr/include/jpeglib.h; libdbus-glib-1-dev: usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus- (1 more message) |
| 14:45.14 | Techtronic | glib-1.2/glib.h but not: glib.h |
| 14:45.42 | jelly | Techtronic: please ask the channel and don't highlight me directly unless we had a previous discussion |
| 14:45.46 | D4rKr0W | i was following a thread on debian-user with people talking about upgrading, but i'm not sure i'm up for the task yet. How long does it usually take for the release of the stable after the freeze? |
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| 14:46.38 | ajeet | Helllo Guys |
| 14:46.45 | jelly | D4rKr0W: 6-12 months |
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| 14:47.05 | ajeet | Is Debian 6 Alpha 2 Released !! |
| 14:47.06 | D4rKr0W | woah, that's a long time :o |
| 14:47.23 | ajeet | I can see Debian Squeeze live |
| 14:47.37 | ajeet | CD of Alpha 2 |
| 14:47.52 | ajeet | When Alpha 2 is ready for announce |
| 14:48.13 | ajeet | Anyone who can refer me the release schedule dates |
| 14:48.17 | ajeet | for Debian 6 |
| 14:48.34 | D4rKr0W | i would be interested in those aswell |
| 14:49.33 | ajeet | anywhere I can find the schedule |
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| 14:50.56 | D4rKr0W | i've found some info here, ajeet http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/ |
| 14:51.09 | jordanm | ajeet: the schedule date is "when its ready" |
| 14:51.39 | jordanm | if you would like to see release occur faster, fix some RC bugs :) |
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| 14:52.39 | Senior | hello, how to start plesk on my debian machine ? |
| 14:53.06 | jordanm | !tell Senior about plesk |
| 14:53.10 | ironm | HI guys :) - is it possible to dig for my own postings to paste.debian.net (from yesterday) ? |
| 14:53.41 | cahoot | ironm: tried google? |
| 14:53.53 | ironm | thnx cahoot :) |
| 14:54.55 | jordanm | cahoot: its not indexed by google |
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| 15:14.09 | plt2 | Its not reporting any errors but curl is still not loading |
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| 15:16.35 | plt2 | exentsion=curl.so is added in to the php.ini |
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| 15:22.43 | petemc | plt2: installed php5-curl ? |
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| 15:45.15 | simplechat | Hey, have you guys seen any nicely scary issue.nets? for remote servers |
| 15:45.21 | simplechat | you know, threatening doom, gloom, dismemberment? |
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| 15:45.23 | simplechat | things like that |
| 15:46.05 | fxiny | rings the bishops |
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| 15:50.42 | quiritius | hi. on sound in flash movies (youtube) under squeeze 32-bit with iceweasel + flashplugin-nonfree. sound appears for ~0.25 sec and then disappears. everything is OK in chromium or opera though. any ideas. |
| 15:50.51 | quiritius | ? |
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| 15:58.08 | jhutchins_lt | quiritius: Is pulseaudio enabled by default in flash? |
| 15:58.13 | jhutchins_lt | er, in squeeze? |
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| 15:59.29 | quiritius | jhutchins_lt: no pulse here, only default alsa + alsa-oss (tried an old solution). |
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| 16:03.09 | blup | i'm having trouble with my vim colorschemes... is there no way for vim to show more than 16 colors? |
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| 16:04.16 | sed` | blup: yes there is. xterm supports 256 colors, urxvt 88 |
| 16:04.35 | sed` | some schemes work on both 256 and 88, some only on either |
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| 16:05.58 | blup | sed`: sorry for my ignorance, but using gnome, should i get the xterm terminal then? |
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| 16:10.17 | sed` | blup: hmm, i just checked and the gnome terminal _does_ support 256 colors. i suggest you try an appropriate vim color scheme then, like inkpot |
| 16:10.35 | sed` | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1143 |
| 16:11.06 | sed` | yep, works for me |
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| 16:11.13 | blup | sed`: i have (i downloaded a 100 colorscheme pack), but they all act funny, changing one or two colors, and not at all like they should... gvim works fine though, but i'd rather use vim |
| 16:11.27 | sed` | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1243 |
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| 16:11.50 | sed` | blup: gvim colorschemes don't necessarily support 256 color terminals |
| 16:12.07 | sed` | most of them just use 24-bit RGB color codes |
| 16:12.47 | andre_pl | i recently had to change my home network to 10.0.0.0/24 instead of 192.168.1.0/24, i was using NFS to mount shares off of my fileserver, I've changed the /etc/exports to reflect the new IP's, and also /etc/hosts on both machines, I can ssh both ways just fine, but when I try to mount the share I get: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting fserv:/media/disk2 |
| 16:12.54 | andre_pl | anyone know where else I can look? |
| 16:13.22 | sed` | blup: here's another one: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2140 |
| 16:14.26 | blup | sed`: see, i just tried the desert256 and nothing changes.. on gvim it shows up fine.. |
| 16:14.47 | blup | sed`: the red changed slightly |
| 16:15.00 | sed` | blup: try inkpot or xoria256 |
| 16:15.17 | blup | inkpot shows all black, no colors at all |
| 16:15.17 | sed` | oh, you might have to set t_Co=256 |
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| 16:15.30 | sed` | try that in your vimrc ^ |
| 16:16.09 | blup | sed`: that worked! |
| 16:16.14 | sed` | nice! :) |
| 16:16.17 | blup | thanks a lot |
| 16:16.24 | sed` | somebody should start a terminal wiki for things like this, blup |
| 16:16.29 | blup | sed`++ |
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| 16:17.21 | cirzgamanti | hi, which package do i need to install to get /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-2-common/alsa-kernel/ ? |
| 16:17.37 | cirzgamanti | i have the -common dir, but not the alsa-kernel one. |
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| 16:33.39 | zach23 | Is upgrading libc6 dangerous to do on debian ? Compiled packages such as Apache should pop right up yes? |
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| 16:38.48 | cirzgamanti | more generally, for some reason i have alsa driver 1.0.20, but library 1.0.23, and i can't figure out to remedy this within debian. |
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| 16:39.55 | jelly | cirzgamanti: what are you really trying to accomplish_ |
| 16:40.16 | cirzgamanti | i have no sound for weeks. |
| 16:40.35 | cirzgamanti | it broke when i tried to get flash to run again after upgrading testing some weeks ago. |
| 16:41.08 | nsadmin | so restore from your backup you made before you took the extreme action of upgrading |
| 16:41.12 | jelly | cirzgamanti: which debian release are you using? |
| 16:41.18 | jelly | oh, testing. |
| 16:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | squeezes jelly |
| 16:41.38 | jelly | cirzgamanti: what does `uname -r` say? |
| 16:41.44 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: you're always smarter afterwards, are you |
| 16:41.53 | cirzgamanti | 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
| 16:42.25 | jelly | cirzgamanti: install linux-image-amd64 and boot the default (and newer) kernel, for starters |
| 16:42.30 | nsadmin | cirzgamanti: perhaps next time you can be smart beforehand |
| 16:42.42 | jelly | ,versions linux-image-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 16:42.45 | judd | linux-image-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+28; squeeze: 2.6.32+28 |
| 16:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | how did you arrive at the numbers 1.0.20 and 1.0.23? |
| 16:43.04 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: is there a function to make snapshots in debian nowadays? |
| 16:43.08 | cirzgamanti | er, restore points? |
| 16:43.27 | jelly | cirzgamanti: not by default, but lvm adhockery is possible |
| 16:43.28 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: your question is not clear |
| 16:43.45 | nsadmin | if you didn't realize that upgrading an operating system that is known to be less than stable is an extreme action, you were never that smart |
| 16:43.50 | jelly | "How do you know the driver is 1.0.20 and alsa userspace is 1.0.23" |
| 16:43.56 | jelly | the former, driver version, can be gleaned from /proc/asound/version |
| 16:44.15 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: it's been working this way for years. that let me assume it's not a problem. |
| 16:44.23 | nsadmin | (and remember that I'm using your word "smart") |
| 16:44.36 | cirzgamanti | jelly: i ran alsa-info.sh |
| 16:44.38 | nsadmin | ass u me |
| 16:45.04 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: i'm not in the mood to be dissed. if you don't care about me, just ignore me, ok? |
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| 16:45.22 | jelly | cirzgamanti: good! Please try reproducing the issue with a kernel that's still available in the repos. |
| 16:45.52 | cirzgamanti | ok, i didn't realize there was something wrong with the kernel version. |
| 16:46.05 | nsadmin | cirzgamanti: you brought up "smart" not me... so to continue, you don't have a backup? |
| 16:46.24 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: obviously not. |
| 16:46.32 | jelly | cirzgamanti: if you install the package mentioned above, it'll pull in the latest supported kernel by way of dependencies even if the version changes |
| 16:46.43 | cirzgamanti | jelly: cool |
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| 16:47.15 | zach23 | Is upgrading libc6 dangerous to do on debian ? Compiled packages such as Apache should pop right up yes? |
| 16:47.26 | jelly | zach23: it can be. |
| 16:48.07 | nsadmin | yes, libc6 should not be upgraded... the version that comes with your system is the one all the other packages were tested with |
| 16:48.13 | jelly | zach23: which debian release are you using, and which version of libc6 do you plan to upgrade to (and from, btw) |
| 16:48.18 | jordanm | zach23: it is typically only done when upgrading to a new release |
| 16:48.55 | jelly | zach23: if it's just an update during a stable release, you should be pretty safe. Some services may need a restart and the installation process will warn you of that. |
| 16:49.16 | zach23 | sarge but hasnt been updated in a while (sarge was before lenny right)? |
| 16:49.22 | cirzgamanti | jelly: thx so far, i'll reboot and check back if needed (likely) |
| 16:49.30 | jelly | zach23: sarge is two _releases_ behind. |
| 16:49.34 | jelly | !release history |
| 16:49.34 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 16:49.48 | zach23 | well lenny is current; sarge is before then? |
| 16:50.06 | jelly | zach23: don't upgrade anything before reading /msg dpkg sarge->etch, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 16:50.49 | nsadmin | I think I'll probably have the same issue you do... flash and iceweasel are so fkin annoying, they typically leak so much ram that you eventually run out and crash, and now some website is insisting I should upgrade my flash... |
| 16:51.06 | jelly | zach23: in particular, do NOT try skipping releases or installing any package versions that would skip a release. |
| 16:51.15 | nsadmin | I'm running lenny; should I get iceweasel-3.5* from backports? |
| 16:51.31 | jelly | zach23: does your /etc/apt/sources.list mentions "stable" anywhere? |
| 16:51.38 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: I hear a lot of that and it is why moved to a non-debian version of ffx |
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| 16:51.52 | zach23 | jelly: no no... I did aptitude update and aptitude -s dist-upgrade on etch and it is asking for 6 packages to be upgraded: libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i386 libpam-modules libpam-runtime libpam0g linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 16:52.10 | rozie | never had problems with iceweasel |
| 16:52.15 | zach23 | jelly: I'm sorry, this is etch |
| 16:52.20 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: I got: "it is why moved ..." |
| 16:52.25 | rozie | but I disable cache in memory... |
| 16:52.27 | jelly | zach23: please pastebin your sources.list, and output of "apt-cache policy". |
| 16:52.59 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc, please supply missing words :) |
| 16:53.10 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: to a non-debian version of ffx |
| 16:53.26 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc, who, you did? |
| 16:53.39 | nsadmin | or debian did? |
| 16:53.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzg.... gorn |
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| 16:54.04 | jelly | cirzgamanti cirzgamanti cirzgamanti! |
| 16:54.18 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: I moved... |
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| 16:55.37 | nsadmin | ahh... how long ago, what did you have to do (compile? install packages from outside sources? sometjhing else?) to get it going, and how's ff treating you? |
| 16:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I'm glad I don't have to *say* cirzgamanti |
| 16:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | tongues knot easily that way |
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| 16:56.19 | nsadmin | note that I typically have like 20-30 tabs going in 2 or 3 windows |
| 16:56.34 | jelly | nsadmin: there's a tarball by upstream. you unpack it somewhere as your common user, symlink firefox into the path and use it |
| 16:56.40 | fxiny | hannibal knot :P |
| 16:57.04 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: that's a manic amount of browser usage - you need a barrowload of RAM |
| 16:57.22 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 16:57.33 | nsadmin | I have 6g installed |
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| 16:57.41 | nsadmin | and it leaks |
| 16:57.50 | fxiny | too many tabs ? |
| 16:57.51 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: it will do ;) |
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| 16:58.28 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: browsers are no use when you open so much |
| 16:58.34 | fxiny | there is an add-on ad hoc to put unused tabs to sleep |
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| 16:59.11 | jpinx-eeepc | fxiny: maybe - there certainly are a lot of plug-ins for ffx/iw |
| 16:59.13 | cirzgamanti | i upgraded to .32 kernel, and get a kernel panic. i think it doesn't find /dev/sda1? i have UUID lines in fstab now. how do i get this to work? |
| 16:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, I was just curious how you arrived at those version numbers... I also wondered what exactly those versions belong to... |
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| 17:00.00 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: what is typically in your open tabs? Lots of flashy or scripty stuff? |
| 17:00.44 | nsadmin | well so here's the thing... I'll typically run the browser, and bookmarks used to be good right? well opening a tab/window to a new page tends to take awhile when ram is starting to get short, so bookmarks get less and less useful when you want the page to load quickly |
| 17:00.52 | fxiny | jpinx-eeepc: i put swappiness up to 100 and firebug goes there , the add-on is called bartab |
| 17:01.02 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, that's why i meant your question was ambiguous :) i don't know how i did it... flash was gone, i installed nspluginwrapper, which needs ia32-something packages. after that it was broken. |
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| 17:01.27 | jpinx-eeepc | fxiny: tell nsadmin ;) |
| 17:02.11 | nsadmin | yeah, the facebook stuff is pretty intensive, youtube crashes typically early on and is unusable until I killall firefox-bin and restart it |
| 17:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, no, I mean how did you find out those version numbers? |
| 17:02.26 | fxiny | jpinx-eeepc: |
| 17:02.29 | fxiny | oops |
| 17:02.39 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: that is not using the browser - that's *ab*using it :) |
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| 17:03.08 | nsadmin | I've taken to using iceweasel for most of the stuff, and konq for youtube |
| 17:03.14 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: facebook and youtube use huge amounts of RAM |
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| 17:03.51 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders how you can watch more than one youtube video at a time |
| 17:04.10 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc, on top of which I'm starting to play the little bargames in facebook |
| 17:04.37 | fxiny | i can hear from here firegug and flash slurping 6G or ram |
| 17:04.40 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: i ran alsa-info.sh (mentioned this before) |
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| 17:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | saw that... |
| 17:05.41 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: 12Gbs RAM *might* cope :) |
| 17:05.43 | nsadmin | mostly I don't run youtube in the browser... I get the flv in /tmp, find it and play it with mplayer |
| 17:06.01 | fxiny | jpinx-eeepc: that's right ! |
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| 17:07.30 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: when you play the youtube video, it's still using RAM even though you might be in mplayer... |
| 17:07.32 | nsadmin | cirzgamanti: that would be a good piece of info... do you still have the url? |
| 17:07.54 | nsadmin | yes I understand that |
| 17:08.03 | fxiny | or set browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers |
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| 17:08.21 | fxiny | -1 slurps at will |
| 17:08.53 | jpinx-eeepc | even with that, 6Gbs is nothing |
| 17:09.00 | fxiny | 2G -> 8 |
| 17:09.08 | nsadmin | it seems like the browser wants way more ram than is called for |
| 17:09.37 | fxiny | iirc it defaults at -1 which means all your ram |
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| 17:10.12 | nsadmin | I think I'll edit my usage patterns, what I'm getting is here and now, they are the most at fault |
| 17:11.09 | nsadmin | so the backports iw-3.5 isn't that much better than the iw-3.0 in lenny? |
| 17:11.40 | nsadmin | , versions iceweasel |
| 17:11.42 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.11-1; squeeze: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 17:12.05 | zach23 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/Xj01eLdD |
| 17:12.18 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc, what version are you running? |
| 17:12.33 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: you missed it - I don't |
| 17:12.42 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: I run swiftfox |
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| 17:12.51 | fxiny | jpinx-eeepc: in lenny ? |
| 17:12.55 | jpinx-eeepc | yes |
| 17:12.55 | nsadmin | what the heck is that? |
| 17:13.03 | fxiny | wt4x ! i want it |
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| 17:13.23 | jpinx-eeepc | it is NOT debian ;) |
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| 17:13.46 | acu | is Google's Chrome browser satisfying debian standard for Open Source ? -- I Just tried Chrome - and it Rocks - is light speed - and you can go to youtube.com/html5 (means flash is not required) but I wondered about Chrome Open sourcenes |
| 17:13.54 | jpinx-eeepc | but there is a .deb and aptitude will install it and keep it uptodate |
| 17:13.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, hmm... I keep stuff around open that is unfinished |
| 17:14.01 | fxiny | browsers and femmes ? a la guerre comme a la guerre |
| 17:14.31 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=42da5d1f879b43ae52dcbbb00efab9816bf3e226 |
| 17:14.39 | nsadmin | acu: that would be a legal/political issue... |
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| 17:15.13 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: so do I, but I have noscripts and I deliberatley stop any scripts running on tabs that are idle |
| 17:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc/nsadmin actually there would be no need to really have the pages *open* and in ram - some fancy sort of bookmarks that keeps the same type of information as the crash-recover mechanism saves would be fine |
| 17:15.18 | cirzgamanti | ok, i now ran "update-grub" by hand, hoping it fixes the kernel panic. see you after reboot |
| 17:15.45 | nsadmin | cirzgamanti: that just writes a text file |
| 17:15.56 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: nsadmin fxiny I also have a local html page of my own bookmarks - I do not use the browsers |
| 17:16.09 | jpinx-eeepc | *and* i have no history |
| 17:16.12 | jelly | zach23: ok. First, /msg dpkg etch sources.list, and do an aptitude or apt-get update. Upgrading packages from older etch to latest etch should work. |
| 17:16.23 | jpinx-eeepc | *and* no password saving |
| 17:16.31 | fxiny | jpinx-eeepc: me to : an old debian html local bookmarks + google page |
| 17:16.32 | nsadmin | I'm so addicted to bookmarks and history |
| 17:16.36 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: you get all that? |
| 17:16.43 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 17:16.44 | jelly | zach23: (I mean, do an update after fixing your sources.list obviously) |
| 17:16.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc/nsadmin wonder if some sort of organizer-plugin exists that helps you organize web-pages you're not finished with... possibly archiving them after some time of neglect |
| 17:16.55 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: needs a supercomputer... |
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| 17:17.12 | fxiny | jpinx-eeepc: but i use emacs org-mode for browser bookmarks ;) |
| 17:17.20 | fxiny | C-o ;) |
| 17:17.23 | alcy | folks, what's the cleanest way to install a lenny package in squeeze ? apart from doing a dpkg -i ? |
| 17:17.25 | nsadmin | hmm... sounds like you've just invented swap space... |
| 17:17.26 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: that is what the history is meant to do in the browser, but it eats manic amounts of RAM |
| 17:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I often have the situation that I just don't have the time to take care of stuff in the broser windows, but then have to come back to it ... sometimes several months later |
| 17:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, but it doesn'T do it well! |
| 17:17.55 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly |
| 17:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you search for stuf you visited months earlier, it's usually just gorn |
| 17:18.05 | nsadmin | right, that's the problem with keeping the browser going, it constantly eats ram |
| 17:18.11 | jelly | alcy: which one in particular? |
| 17:18.30 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: leaving tens of tabs opened ? try bartab |
| 17:18.34 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: yes - it pays to shut the browser down once ina while |
| 17:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | my bookmarks on the other hand usually just are not used at all (most of them) and many of them even expired, i.e. the page is gone |
| 17:18.56 | alcy | jelly: djbdns. |
| 17:18.58 | jpinx-eeepc | bartab sounds like you've been drinking ;) |
| 17:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | without paying! |
| 17:19.24 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I make my own bookmarks pagee |
| 17:19.36 | jpinx-eeepc | and open it in a tab... ;) |
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| 17:19.45 | acu | nsadmin: it was an observation - Chrome is almost twice as fast compared to Firefox - I have to make a personal decision whether I will use it or not - if it is not Open Source - I thought that longest veterans in here have already looked and thought about it |
| 17:19.46 | jelly | alcy: backport it from sid, /msg dpkg ssb. I _think_ merely dpkg -i the packages from sid would work as well, but backporting is claner. |
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| 17:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, hm... sounds like the thingy |
| 17:20.05 | daniele9821 | hello all, i search a bit of information according to SNMP. I've an HP MSA2324sa Cluster and i've seen in configuration there's SNMP where i can set the ip address. I want now configure a server to receive the snmp trap sent by HP ( i don't want sent trap to hp but i want only receive), it's possible?? |
| 17:20.15 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: it works pretty well |
| 17:20.17 | nsadmin | I'm not sure (need more eyes on this) but it looks like cirzgamanti doesn't have sound modules loaded |
| 17:20.36 | alcy | jelly: ah ok, Sid. didn't occur to me. thanks |
| 17:20.58 | cirzgamanti | here's the alsa-info.sh after running .32 kernel: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=42da5d1f879b43ae52dcbbb00efab9816bf3e226 |
| 17:20.58 | jelly | alcy: fresh install or you just lost a package during upgrade? |
| 17:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, but what would be nice would be one step further - keep them archived in groups somewhere for later reference and not open the windows at all... this just prevents them from being loaded, doesn't it? |
| 17:21.17 | cirzgamanti | -> no more driver mentioned at all |
| 17:21.52 | nsadmin | cirzgamanti, look thru the output of lspci -nn |
| 17:22.01 | nsadmin | for your sound chipset |
| 17:22.08 | jelly | alcy: also, do you need tinydns or dnscache or both? There's a nice dnscache-run package that sets up dnscache on 127.0.0.1 for you |
| 17:22.09 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: in groups ? i have grouped my bookmarks , middle clicking the group icon opens all of them |
| 17:22.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, well... lsmod |grep snd shows something? |
| 17:22.13 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: it's a usb soundcard. |
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| 17:22.24 | nsadmin | it will have a thing looks like... [1223:abce] |
| 17:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, hmmm... I dunno... I guess I'm just not a very tidy person |
| 17:22.37 | nsadmin | oh.... then that won't work :) |
| 17:22.49 | kukhuvud | hey, question about file system on a mdadm software raid: which file system should i choose? the read/write load should be about 50/50 |
| 17:22.59 | cirzgamanti | hm, after rebooting, lsusb doesn't show the card any more at all :( |
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| 17:23.16 | alcy | jelly: djbdns didnt make it to squeeze. I personally don't want it for my machine, but need to care of things in the puppet ecosystem/automating configuration management |
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| 17:23.29 | alcy | s/care/take care |
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| 17:23.39 | nsadmin | cirzgamanti, tail the log while you insert/remove the usb |
| 17:23.55 | cirzgamanti | ok, re-plugging it showed it. nsadmin: lsusb no good? |
| 17:24.22 | nsadmin | not sure how it works... see if lsusb has itnow |
| 17:24.55 | cirzgamanti | lsusb: Bus 002 Device 007: ID 0a92:0091 EGO SYStems, Inc. Maya 44 |
| 17:25.04 | jelly | alcy: oh, so you don't plan on using it at all but your puppet setup expects the package to be available? Why not just fix the puppet config? |
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| 17:25.20 | nsadmin | I get the vague sense that the order things are starting is what makes it fail at boot |
| 17:25.47 | nsadmin | what happens if you run alsamixer now? |
| 17:25.55 | alcy | jelly: no, I meant I already have everything running on my machines, but I need to ensure a universal way (clean way) of doing things for my clients/hosts |
| 17:26.41 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: it's worth your while looking up the add-ons under "tab" - some possible useful ones for you like a tab grouper |
| 17:27.09 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: lsmod shows lots of snd_ modules. which ones are you looking for? |
| 17:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... strange that your alsa-info doesn't report any number for "driver", then |
| 17:27.54 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: alsamixer: "no such file or directory" |
| 17:28.38 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: after rebooting into the .32 kernel. before it was 1.0.20 |
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| 17:29.05 | nsadmin | try running the alsa-info script now that the usb log shows activity |
| 17:29.15 | nsadmin | which will give you a new url |
| 17:29.38 | cirzgamanti | funny. now it's 1.0.21... http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=694052fc5962ec45d786180ea21cfd3f135155a4 |
| 17:29.49 | cirzgamanti | we're getting there :P |
| 17:29.53 | jelly | alcy: ok. Since you're using puppet you probably don't need crutches like dnscache-run. |
| 17:29.54 | fxiny | 1.0.20 what a dist-upgrade ! |
| 17:30.18 | cirzgamanti | fxiny: alsa-driver! :) |
| 17:30.23 | daniele9821 | hello all, i search a bit of information according to SNMP. I've an HP MSA2324sa Cluster and i've seen in configuration there's SNMP where i can set the ip address. I want now configure a server to receive the snmp trap sent by HP ( i don't want sent trap to hp but i want only receive), it's possible? |
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| 17:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, so you should be good now... |
| 17:30.31 | fxiny | cirzgamanti: heheh |
| 17:30.35 | cirzgamanti | library is 1.0.23 |
| 17:31.16 | jelly | cirzgamanti: that version discrepancy shouldn't matter. |
| 17:31.22 | jelly | (by itself) |
| 17:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions alsa-base |
| 17:31.32 | judd | alsa-base -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1; etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1; lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-1 |
| 17:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions alsa-utils |
| 17:31.41 | cirzgamanti | jelly: i still don't have sound though |
| 17:31.41 | judd | alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2; lenny: 1.0.16-2; sid: 1.0.23-2; squeeze: 1.0.23-2 |
| 17:32.01 | alcy | jelly: yep I guess. would have been nice had djbdns made it to squeeze. I didn't go through the complete debate(s) on that one single bug report for djbdns, but seemed very unnecessary. |
| 17:32.11 | jelly | cirzgamanti: where's you alsa-info stuff |
| 17:32.36 | nsadmin | he just pasted the url |
| 17:32.40 | jelly | alcy: yeah, I won't voice my opinion on that cock-up. Oh wait. ;-) |
| 17:33.08 | alcy | heh |
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| 17:33.45 | cirzgamanti | judd: then why do i have 1.0.21? :( |
| 17:33.47 | nsadmin | jelly http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=694052fc5962ec45d786180ea21cfd3f135155a4 |
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| 17:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, alsa versions |
| 17:34.06 | dpkg | ALSA versions provided by Debian kernel: 2.6.26 -> 1.0.16; 2.6.32 -> 1.0.21. ALSA versions provided by alsa-source package: Lenny -> 1.0.17; Squeeze -> 1.0.23 (see also <new alsa>). |
| 17:34.15 | jelly | cirzgamanti: because that's what comes with 2.6.32 |
| 17:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, ... see jelly and dpkg above |
| 17:34.33 | cirzgamanti | but squeeze has .23? i don't understand |
| 17:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, so those versions have to match, actually? |
| 17:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | i think not... |
| 17:34.45 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: NO. |
| 17:34.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | right! |
| 17:34.58 | jelly | left |
| 17:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | communist! |
| 17:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, time to go through the stuff from !alsa-checklist? |
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| 17:36.06 | fxiny | the via crucis |
| 17:36.32 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't do alsa really, just kibitzing |
| 17:36.53 | moldovean | kibitzing .. |
| 17:37.06 | fxiny | takes the bergensbanen express |
| 17:37.14 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: so there's no mechanism in apt that takes care of having corresponding versions of alsa libs and driver? |
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| 17:37.49 | nsadmin | I think something about the boot order is causing at least the device to not be seen in time |
| 17:37.56 | jelly | cirzgamanti: IGNORE THE VERSION THING ITS NOT IMPORTANT |
| 17:38.01 | jelly | *sigh* |
| 17:38.01 | cirzgamanti | jelly: ok :) |
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| 17:38.41 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: how do i check? |
| 17:38.46 | nsadmin | so when he removes/reinserts the usb plug, he then gets more info from the alsa-info script |
| 17:38.59 | nsadmin | I don't even know what's doing it yet |
| 17:39.21 | nsadmin | and I may never know :) |
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| 17:39.59 | jelly | cirzgamanti: open a terminal window; run alsamixer, press F6, choose your card. Do controls appear? Are they all unmuted? |
| 17:40.02 | cirzgamanti | i'm close to re-install the whole system because of this :( |
| 17:40.15 | fxiny | no way |
| 17:40.20 | nsadmin | what's your cpu? |
| 17:40.23 | cirzgamanti | jelly: "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" |
| 17:40.40 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: some dual-core 64 amd |
| 17:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, he's easily excitable :) |
| 17:41.14 | jelly | cirzgamanti: redo, but with "alsamixer -c 1" |
| 17:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, modprobe snd-mixer-oss for that |
| 17:41.25 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: false |
| 17:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... jelly's got a point |
| 17:41.33 | nsadmin | oh right, it did say card1 |
| 17:41.35 | fxiny | it looks like the problem i had with sarge alsa |
| 17:41.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'S the 2nd sound-card on the system... |
| 17:41.40 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: alsamixer deals with alsa devices, not oss emu. |
| 17:41.41 | jpinx-eeepc | fxiny: bartab is cool - only a small delay while retrieving a sleeping tab |
| 17:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm |
| 17:41.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | okok |
| 17:41.54 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: don't guess, know or find out |
| 17:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, but we'll have to pay the tab occasionally! |
| 17:42.14 | cirzgamanti | jelly: Line is muted, Master and Line 1 are ok |
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| 17:42.35 | jelly | cirzgamanti: aight. Is this usb device in fact the one you want to use? |
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| 17:42.38 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a small price ;) |
| 17:42.41 | infinity0 | what happened to the sagemath package? |
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| 17:42.58 | nsadmin | , versions sagemath |
| 17:42.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'sagemath' was found. |
| 17:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, hmm, not compatible to the iw3 on my laptop |
| 17:43.03 | cirzgamanti | jelly: yes. i'm not even aware the onboard-card is recognized. |
| 17:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, why is sagemath not in testing |
| 17:43.15 | dpkg | sagemath is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=sagemath |
| 17:43.16 | fxiny | jpinx-eeepc: same here with swappiness at 100 |
| 17:43.26 | jordanm | infinity0: there was a discussion about it at debconf. I believe dropping it was the descision they made |
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| 17:43.39 | infinity0 | bah |
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| 17:43.48 | nv7f | Is there a way to get nvidia driver 256? I have th 195 now. |
| 17:44.03 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 17:44.05 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4 |
| 17:44.07 | jordanm | nv7f: no |
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| 17:44.44 | nv7f | I am using 256 on another linux and it is faster. |
| 17:44.50 | infinity0 | nv7f: yeah there is |
| 17:44.54 | infinity0 | hang on |
| 17:45.01 | jordanm | nv7f: file a wishlist bug |
| 17:45.05 | infinity0 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586958 |
| 17:45.17 | infinity0 | download jan pascal's patch and follow what i wrote below it |
| 17:45.32 | nv7f | okay |
| 17:45.49 | infinity0 | apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers, add a newline to the end of the patch, apply the patch, download those files i mentioned, then run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:46.09 | nv7f | Just a quick comment - squeeze is good! |
| 17:46.11 | infinity0 | you'll need various debian dev tools, i forget which ones exactly |
| 17:46.22 | cirzgamanti | so how do i get the system to recognize card 1 instead of 0 ? |
| 17:46.57 | cahoot | cirzgamanti: less pain to make correct card default ie card0 |
| 17:47.01 | fxiny | oh btw , squeeze and ext4 , i read today dump works with ext4 , good |
| 17:47.01 | CrazyFoam | is it possible to use apps like 'gdmsetup' from the gnome menus if i have installed Debian without a root password? app prompts for root password... there a way to configure gksu to use sudo? |
| 17:47.14 | infinity0 | nv7f: if you want to be slightly safer, edit debian/changelog so it says 256.44-0 instead of 256.44-1 |
| 17:47.22 | cirzgamanti | cahoot: ok. how do i do that? :) |
| 17:47.23 | jelly | cirzgamanti: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, comment out the line "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" |
| 17:47.26 | zach23 | jelly: I don't want to go to lenny right now from etch...is that what you mean when you said "do an update after fixing your sources.list obviously"...there's too much we have to test for our app to do an update |
| 17:47.30 | nv7f | okay |
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| 17:47.38 | zach23 | jelly: but I wanted to update etch and libc6 upgrade won't mess anything up will it? |
| 17:47.44 | jelly | zach23: that's not what I meant. Have you read the factoid? |
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| 17:47.56 | stew | zach23: you are upgrading from which version to which version? |
| 17:48.01 | jelly | stew: etch to etch |
| 17:48.12 | blinki | Is there anywhere specific I should ask a question regarding networking/routing issues? specifically with a cluster using pacemaker/corosync |
| 17:48.13 | stew | for sure? |
| 17:48.16 | jelly | stew: yes. |
| 17:48.17 | cirzgamanti | jelly: anything to restart after that? |
| 17:48.22 | zach23 | I am just updating packages within etch and it's asking for libc6 upgrade - I want to make sure it doesn't break anything (since we compile our own stuff, for some packages) |
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| 17:48.29 | jordanm | blinki: ##networking |
| 17:48.29 | zach23 | jelly: factoid? |
| 17:48.34 | blinki | thank you jordanm |
| 17:48.35 | jelly | cirzgamanti: rmmod snd-usb-audio, modprobe it back |
| 17:48.52 | stew | infinity0: question regarding networking/routing issues? specifically |
| 17:48.53 | jelly | cirzgamanti: or better, unplug, rmmod, plug back |
| 17:48.55 | stew | err |
| 17:49.06 | cirzgamanti | yippie |
| 17:49.07 | jelly | zach23: yes, "/msg dpkg etch sources.list" |
| 17:49.09 | stew | infinity0: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573538 is the sagemath removal if you are interested in the discussion |
| 17:49.29 | cirzgamanti | jelly, nsadmin, others: many thanks. you brought my music back! |
| 17:49.35 | jelly | zach23: that's an irc command, did you read what dpkg told you in private message after doing that? |
| 17:49.48 | nsadmin | cirzgamanti so the driver isn't that good at holding onto the usb device |
| 17:49.49 | zach23 | jelly: oh crap "but realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 " |
| 17:49.52 | cirzgamanti | so will this be permanent now? |
| 17:50.19 | nsadmin | no, you'll have to fiddle with it each boot until you |
| 17:50.24 | cahoot | cirzgamanti: run alsa force-reload a few times to see |
| 17:50.31 | jelly | zach23: yes, but it also tells you how to fix sources.list for etch. |
| 17:50.44 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.56 | zach23 | jelly: That really worries me though, the lack of updates...crap |
| 17:51.04 | jelly | nsadmin: it will work at boot, if you mean cirzgamanti. |
| 17:51.08 | zach23 | jelly: Can I do etch -> lenny remotely or can there be problems that surface? |
| 17:51.10 | jhutchins_lt | zach23: Why mess with perfection? |
| 17:51.31 | zach23 | jhutchins_lt: well they are not updating security issues on etch anymore |
| 17:51.36 | jelly | zach23: only if you're experienced with debian release upgrades. |
| 17:51.40 | nsadmin | what I'm wondering is why the device seen on usb bus at boot doesn't cause the driver to load |
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| 17:52.06 | cirzgamanti | cahoot: 2x alsa force-reload, still working. |
| 17:52.10 | nsadmin | jelly: oh good... so he should test it |
| 17:52.15 | jelly | zach23: since it involves a kernel update and obviously a reboot, I'd advise against it. |
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| 17:52.21 | jhutchins_lt | zach23: Seriously, you probably need to start testing your packages against lenny, and as soon as your done with that against squeeze. |
| 17:52.35 | nsadmin | cirzgamanti: hmm. try a reboot |
| 17:52.40 | stayb | whats for SCP especially communication protocol? |
| 17:52.50 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: It's a long way until lenny's out of commision |
| 17:52.53 | jhutchins_lt | zach23: Once squeeze releases and whatever's next goes into testing, you'll have a pretty big window to test against the next testing release. |
| 17:52.53 | zach23 | jelly: when upgrading from etch -> lenny, is apt-get advisable to do or a whole new install? |
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| 17:53.21 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: ok. better safe than sorry i guess. later |
| 17:53.26 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Yes, but if you wait until it's out of commision you end up with "I don'd dare do a security update or it'll b0rk my package". |
| 17:53.43 | jelly | zach23: Debian has a release upgrade procedure that works. |
| 17:53.51 | jhutchins_lt | zach23: Upgrades have worked for most people. |
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| 17:54.05 | zach23 | Where can I see these documents/procedures? |
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| 17:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | !tell zach23 about etch->lenny |
| 17:54.21 | chytzkoi | I have Perc H200 RAID controller and I would like to install debian on the machine, but Lenny does not recognize the controller. I found some post about mpt2sas driver missing in initrd. Is there some workaround? |
| 17:54.22 | jelly | zach23: /msg dpkg etch->lenny has references. |
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| 17:54.56 | jelly | zach23: read the lenny release notes. |
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| 17:55.33 | fxiny | imho etch to lenny upgrade has been the aptitude acid test , impressive |
| 17:55.56 | zach23 | jelly: the only thing I got burned on was nic eth0 and eth1 switching on me during a reboot |
| 17:56.02 | nsadmin | yeah, it worked for me three times over |
| 17:56.36 | nsadmin | zach23: udev was being silly then |
| 17:56.48 | jelly | zach23: shit happens |
| 17:56.56 | zach23 | jelly: lol |
| 17:57.02 | zach23 | well i have access to the machines in the data center |
| 17:57.10 | zach23 | i'll try this on a mock box |
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| 17:57.47 | jelly | clone the machine, test the apps work after upgrade && schedule downtime && cross fingers && etch->lenny |
| 17:57.53 | zach23 | so even when updating to lenny through aptitude, it's not like etch stuff is lying about on the box? it's all a clean switchover? essentially like doing with a CD in the machine? |
| 17:58.13 | fxiny | and the idea to let old aptitude upgrading new aptitude is brilliant |
| 17:58.28 | jelly | zach23: there are small amounts of cruft, less than in most distros or OSes. |
| 17:58.40 | zach23 | jelly: but nothing to stop you guys from doing it? |
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| 17:58.55 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: rebooted, still working. |
| 17:58.56 | jelly | zach23: my home machine hasn't been reinstalled since 2001. |
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| 17:59.41 | zach23 | jelly: and servers? |
| 17:59.54 | jelly | zach23: too. |
| 18:00.01 | cirzgamanti | jelly: i have it running for at least 4 years too, i'd really hate to have start again. but i've messed it up in quite some places, so i think it will be time soon. |
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| 18:00.37 | jelly | zach23: I've done many sarge->etch and etch->lenny |
| 18:00.51 | jelly | zach23: a limited number of woody->sarge |
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| 18:02.29 | jelly | let's say 5% required physical intervention because of unforeseen issues |
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| 18:03.34 | jelly | cirzgamanti: eh, if I wanted to wipe and reinstall I'd use Windows or Ubuntu, which have other comparative advantages |
| 18:04.34 | fjorgynn | :D |
| 18:04.58 | fjorgynn | running what? |
| 18:05.08 | fjorgynn | Debian? |
| 18:05.23 | fjorgynn | aha, it is the debian channel. That explains. |
| 18:05.24 | fjorgynn | xD |
| 18:05.39 | fxiny | rings the Bishops |
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| 18:08.45 | jelly | fjorgynn: you haven't said anything but noise here in the last 48+ hours. This is a channel for technical support. There's a separate #debian-offtopic for nonsense, try joining that instead of being random in here. |
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| 18:09.03 | fjorgynn | jelly: ... |
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| 18:09.23 | jelly | yes, I'm keeping track. |
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| 18:10.11 | simonrvn | he's so considerate, he called all of us assholes, not just you </sarcasm> |
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| 18:10.24 | cirzgamanti | nsadmin: mainly i never backupped before upgrading because i don't know of a good way apart from dd'ing the partition. |
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| 18:10.44 | jpinx-eeepc | cirzgamanti: man rsync ;) |
| 18:10.54 | cirzgamanti | good point. |
| 18:11.00 | jelly | simonrvn: I think I know that kid from efnet. :-| |
| 18:11.11 | infinity0 | stew: ah thanks for the sage link |
| 18:11.23 | infinity0 | what were you referring to with networking issues? |
| 18:11.30 | simonrvn | he's been here before |
| 18:11.31 | cirzgamanti | jpinx-eeepc: but what about the virtual files etc? (/dev etc.) |
| 18:11.47 | cirzgamanti | also, that won't take care of a broken grub. |
| 18:11.51 | jpinx-eeepc | cirzgamanti: man rsync ;) look for archiving |
| 18:12.07 | jpinx-eeepc | cirzgamanti: juxt fix grub ;) |
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| 18:14.29 | zach23 | jelly: When I do aptitude install aptitude (first step after changes sources to point to lenny) it's saying it wants to upgrade libc6, locales and tzdata |
| 18:14.50 | zach23 | jelly: and gcc-4.3 |
| 18:15.22 | jelly | zach23: have you upgraded etch to latest versions of everything first? |
| 18:15.47 | zach23 | jelly: yes |
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| 18:17.23 | zach23 | jelly: is that okay I get those? |
| 18:17.36 | jelly | zach23: yes. |
| 18:18.35 | jelly | zach23: are you doing this on a test machine now? |
| 18:18.41 | zach23 | jelly: yes |
| 18:18.50 | zach23 | a clone of one of the postgres machines |
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| 18:19.20 | jelly | alright ;-) |
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| 18:35.07 | mosty | is there a better io monitoring program than iotop? my system seems sluggish sometimes, and iotop shows very little disk access, despite the hdd activity light on my machine going crazy |
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| 18:36.15 | gnarface | i want to know the answer to that too, mosty |
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| 18:37.57 | stew | mosty: perhaps "/msg dpkg am i swapping" |
| 18:37.59 | jelly | atop is nice |
| 18:38.01 | zach23 | jelly: it's an amd64 box - the upgrade will take care of this? it just installed libc6-i386 which is why i am asking |
| 18:38.24 | jelly | zach23: take care of what, sorry? |
| 18:38.37 | mosty | stew, i'm not swapping (i don't have any swap) |
| 18:38.42 | zach23 | jelly: sorry, architecture - it will grab the appropriate packages for amd64? |
| 18:39.09 | jelly | zach23: yes, apt can't and won't suddenly switch the architecture |
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| 18:41.03 | gnarface | zach23: upgrading from etch to lenny: mostly safe, upgrading from i386 to amd64: mostly insane. |
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| 18:42.04 | jelly | mostly can'treallybedone |
| 18:42.22 | zach23 | when is squeeze coming out - another couple of months since it's frozen? |
| 18:42.39 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 18:42.39 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00009.html. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 18:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | mosty: iostats form sysstats. |
| 18:43.01 | mosty | zach23, debian doesn't have fixed release dates. so make a guess and then double it a couple of times |
| 18:43.04 | jhutchins_lt | mosty: Plus or minus an s or two. |
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| 18:43.18 | zach23 | and how long will they support lenny once squeeze is out? |
| 18:43.30 | stew | zach23: 1 year |
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| 18:44.03 | mosty | jhutchins, thanks- i'll give those a try |
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| 18:53.29 | keith4 | can I put @reboot cronjobs in /etc/cron.d? or just in user crontabs? |
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| 18:54.37 | jordanm | keith4: typically a user crontab, but I am sure you can make it system wide. have a look at /etc/crontab to view how the current /etc/cron.d/ directories are executed |
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| 18:55.13 | keith4 | jordanm: k, thanks |
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| 19:03.43 | fcuk112 | does anyone use shuttle pc here? |
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| 19:05.22 | tbsaunde | \kk1 |
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| 19:06.18 | mosty | fcuk112, i have in the past, why? |
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| 19:09.51 | ZeuZ | is there any way to allow more than one core to a virtual kvm host? |
| 19:09.56 | d0gmaz | hello i have a question, can i install a .deb package on a shell without root permissions in my home dir? |
| 19:10.05 | fcuk112 | mosty, one of my shuttles is an SB81P - i am trying to make it quiet. i replaced the cpu fan and another fan which blows against the heatsink with silent ones. there are 3 more fans, 1 in the PSU and 2 small ones which blow against the hard drives. the wires of these fans seem to go into the PSU tho, so i was wondering how to replace em. |
| 19:10.06 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: man kvm |
| 19:10.23 | pipeline_ | d0gmaz: you could make a chroot, but it wouldn't work very well |
| 19:10.26 | thewanderer1 | fcuk112: ##hardware |
| 19:10.34 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, didn't find the place, I searched there to reach the tap networking but couldn't find cpu/cores allowance |
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| 19:10.49 | mosty | fcuk112, don't mess with the PSU is my only advice |
| 19:10.50 | ZeuZ | also, my vhosts "see" like 18 cores, any idea what that might mean? |
| 19:10.52 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: -n NUMBER |
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| 19:11.08 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1 oh god, I skewd that one over it seems |
| 19:11.34 | fcuk112 | thewanderer1, thanks i'll check it |
| 19:12.28 | d0gmaz | pipeline_: so i could better get the sourcecode and compile it? i'm not familiar with .deb packages |
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| 19:13.04 | zaarg | can i tell via ifconfig if a cable is plugged in? |
| 19:13.07 | zaarg | or is there another way? |
| 19:13.26 | thewanderer1 | zaarg: ethtool ethN |
| 19:13.40 | zaarg | not possible with plain ifconfig then? |
| 19:13.41 | gnarface | d0gmaz: you could probably just unpack the .deb file and run the binary. if it doesn't have too many config files and libraries it shouldn't be hard |
| 19:13.42 | mosty | d0gmaz, what .deb is it? |
| 19:13.50 | zaarg | because more often than not ethtool won't be installe |
| 19:14.02 | thewanderer1 | zaarg: I have not seen this possibility in ifconfig |
| 19:14.11 | gnarface | zaarg: yes you can |
| 19:14.11 | zaarg | os x's ifconfig has it :( |
| 19:14.13 | mosty | zaarg, you can check dmesg, some nic drivers post link status there |
| 19:14.14 | zaarg | as does openbsd iirc |
| 19:14.23 | d0gmaz | mosty: gnunet |
| 19:14.37 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1: kvm: invalid option -- '-n' |
| 19:14.40 | zaarg | mosty: can't say i've seen that before |
| 19:14.53 | gnarface | zaarg: i'm pretty sure there's a link status in the output of ifconfig just like in os X |
| 19:15.27 | zaarg | nah, i've had this problem for ages |
| 19:15.29 | gnarface | zaarg: i think it says NO CARRIER if it's unplugged. got to be plugged in at both ends though |
| 19:15.33 | zaarg | and i just remembered to investigate this evening |
| 19:15.51 | zaarg | there's nothing worse than wondering why network isn't working o a box |
| 19:16.01 | zaarg | only to discover you've been bringing up the wrong interface :> |
| 19:16.20 | gnarface | zaarg: macs use special ethernet devices to detect a hotplug of the actual jack. that's a hardware thing not all ethernet devices have |
| 19:16.21 | pipeline_ | d0gmaz: no -- you would use debootstrap to construct a chroot, and install packages inside the chroot |
| 19:16.25 | zaarg | even when i pxe boot, it'll bail immediately if it doesn't detect a cable |
| 19:16.47 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: oh, so it's -smp option now |
| 19:17.12 | zaarg | whereas if a cable is plugged in, it'll try to get a dhcp lease etc |
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| 19:18.01 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, thanks, still my vhost sees like 2 times the number of cores my system has, any idea about that? |
| 19:18.14 | zaarg | well, it would seem ethtool is the accepted solution |
| 19:18.19 | zaarg | i guess i can live with that |
| 19:18.32 | stew | zaarg: you can probably get it out of the sys filesystem |
| 19:18.44 | stew | zaarg: you might look at how ifplugd works |
| 19:18.52 | zaarg | i've been hunting around there but havne't found anything thus far |
| 19:19.07 | zaarg | i'll strace ethtool actually |
| 19:19.08 | stew | "cat /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier" maybe? |
| 19:19.09 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: no, not at all... perhaps your cores have hyper-threading? :P |
| 19:19.25 | gnarface | stew, i was sure ifconfig shows this already. is that only the bsd version? |
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| 19:19.34 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, yes but it's an Intel Core i7 930, so that'll be 8 "cores" if you take on HT |
| 19:19.45 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: true |
| 19:19.54 | jelly | gnarface: ifconfig in linux have been deprecated for a decade. |
| 19:20.14 | jelly | gnarface: ip link show! |
| 19:20.27 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: if your guest system shows 16 cores, it's buggy or it's Windows (notice the non-exclusive or) |
| 19:20.44 | gnarface | jelly: how come i see Scope:Link here then? |
| 19:20.46 | ZeuZ | the guest system is Windows hahahah |
| 19:21.02 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, any way to "fix" that Windows-related trouble? |
| 19:21.32 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: none that I know of - you could always limit the CPU number in KVM |
| 19:21.41 | jelly | gnarface: you have a link-local address! |
| 19:21.56 | jelly | fancy that |
| 19:22.04 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, with -smp X I still get the 18 "cores" hehe |
| 19:22.14 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, is there any way to limit cpu number? |
| 19:22.19 | ZeuZ | (besides -smp?) |
| 19:22.22 | gnarface | what about UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST? doesn't that switch to NO CARRIER if i unplug it? |
| 19:22.55 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: er no... it's just Windows, live with that - besides, who wouldn't want extra cores? :P |
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| 19:23.16 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no it doesn't |
| 19:23.25 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, performance wise, it's behaving worse than VirtualBox (really) |
| 19:23.28 | MoMo | I did an rm -rf on a directory and forgot i actually needed one of the files that was in there ... what are my options for recovery? |
| 19:23.34 | thewanderer1 | UP BROADCAST MULTICAST --- not plugged at all on my system |
| 19:23.37 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, I thought that might have something to it |
| 19:23.45 | gnarface | hmm. i must have seen it on my openbsd box then |
| 19:24.08 | jelly | gnarface: they may have an ifconfig that's not completely bogus |
| 19:24.27 | gnarface | :( |
| 19:24.33 | cheasee | how do i ask aptitude in what pkg a file is? im always looking packages.debian.org i guess aptitude knows too? |
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| 19:24.48 | jelly | !tell cheasee about apt-file |
| 19:24.54 | cheasee | ah thx jelly ;) |
| 19:24.58 | andre_pl | i recently had to change my home network to 10.0.0.0/24 instead of 192.168.1.0/24, i was using NFS to mount shares off of my fileserver, I've changed the /etc/exports to reflect the new IP's, and also /etc/hosts on both machines, i ran exportfs -a, and exportfs -r, restarted nfs-kernel-server and even rebooted the server, but when I try to mount the share I get: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting fserv:/media/disk2. not su |
| 19:25.01 | jelly | cheasee: also there's this judd bot. |
| 19:25.03 | dj_una | im needing libtcl8.5.so ... but aptitude only find 8.4 - what can i do? :) |
| 19:25.14 | andre_pl | syslog on the server says this: Aug 19 12:19:04 fserv mountd[2965]: refused mount request from 10.0.0.101 for /media/disk2 (/): not exported |
| 19:25.31 | jelly | judd: file /libtcl8.5.so |
| 19:25.35 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:25.38 | jelly | judd: file libtcl8.5.so |
| 19:25.40 | judd | libtcl8.5.so in lenny/i386: tcl8.5-dev: usr/lib/libtcl8.5.so |
| 19:25.55 | jelly | cheasee, dj_una: ^^ |
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| 19:26.23 | jelly | cheasee: /msg judd file foo works as well |
| 19:26.26 | dj_una | jelly how do i install it? |
| 19:26.29 | cheasee | judd: file /libtcl.so |
| 19:26.31 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:26.40 | jelly | dj_una: install what, package "tcl8.5-dev"? |
| 19:26.47 | jelly | dj_una: just like any other package. |
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| 19:27.05 | dj_una | jelly oh, okay.. i got it, thx for the help |
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| 19:27.42 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: it's not a network problem of addressing - you did change something else in the middle |
| 19:27.44 | jelly | wonders why people don't use eggdrop from the distro |
| 19:28.51 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: are you really using NFSv4? |
| 19:30.08 | dj_una | jelly do you know how i get: libmysqltcl3.05.so then? |
| 19:30.38 | jelly | dj_una: read what I told cheasee, above. |
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| 19:30.53 | jelly | dj_una: then use that functionality. |
| 19:31.02 | dj_una | !tell una about apt-file |
| 19:31.11 | Sessl | Hi .. i've got a Lenny 5.05 V-Server, Kernel 2.6.18-028stab064.7 |
| 19:31.11 | Sessl | i wanna now connect to a smb share: |
| 19:31.11 | Sessl | but i get these issue: mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system |
| 19:31.11 | Sessl | modprobe smbfs shows: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.18-028stab064.7/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 19:31.11 | Sessl | smbfs is installed per aptitude, systems is up to date : aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 19:31.11 | Sessl | i've searched google and found something about this issue, but no solution. |
| 19:31.12 | Sessl | anyone an idea? maybe the kernel? |
| 19:31.23 | cheasee | lol |
| 19:31.31 | jelly | dj_una: "/msg dpkg apt-file" |
| 19:31.41 | jelly | dj_una: you're called dj_una, not una |
| 19:31.44 | thewanderer1 | Sessl: you are NOT on linux-vserver |
| 19:32.10 | thewanderer1 | Sessl: and you will NOT be able to mount a samba share from inside OpenVZ. |
| 19:32.17 | jelly | Sessl: that looks like a virtuozzo / openvz kernel |
| 19:32.46 | thewanderer1 | Sessl: please Read The Friendly Manual. |
| 19:33.07 | Sessl | ok, hmm what can i do to mount a smb share? |
| 19:33.09 | jelly | thewanderer1: you think a cheap vserver hosting provided a manual? |
| 19:33.23 | Sessl | thewanderer1 : which manual? |
| 19:33.24 | jelly | Sessl: you could use smbclient |
| 19:33.46 | jelly | Sessl: it's not mounting, but it's good enough to transfer files |
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| 19:34.43 | Sessl | ok i'll try it .. |
| 19:34.44 | Sessl | is there anyway to update my kernel to use smb share? |
| 19:35.15 | thewanderer1 | Sessl: openz.org, duh! |
| 19:35.23 | thewanderer1 | Sessl: openvz.org |
| 19:35.43 | jelly | Sessl: probably not with that service. |
| 19:36.14 | thewanderer1 | Sessl: openvz.org has answers to all your OpenVZ-related questions and is a source of infinite knowledge provided via the Search button. |
| 19:36.49 | jelly | thewanderer1: okay, how is that "duh" obvious from the information Sessl had, and what's the exact place where they say "no you can't mount smb (or anything)" |
| 19:37.12 | Sessl | ok, thanks for the quick infos .. i will try to search about more infos .. thx |
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| 19:40.47 | jelly | Sessl: since http://wiki.openvz.org/FUSE says FUSE-based filesystems work inside a container, you might want to try fusesmb. |
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| 19:41.52 | jelly | Sessl: I've never used an openvz/virtuozzo container so I can't vouch or have any confidence in that solution working |
| 19:42.01 | Sessl | is there a way to find out if the system use openvz or virtuozzo? |
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| 19:42.35 | thewanderer1 | Sessl: there is no difference in the support of various filesystems - Virtuozzo is just some admin panel + polish, they use the same kernels that OpenVZ |
| 19:42.44 | jelly | Sessl: their "stab" kernel is a good heuristic. |
| 19:42.58 | Sessl | ah ok .. |
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| 19:44.40 | jelly | thewanderer1: it's not very useful to tell people to RTFM a whole site, especially when obvious keywords like "smb" or "mount" do not report useful results |
| 19:44.42 | dj_una | jelly it worked anyways :) hehe |
| 19:45.45 | thewanderer1 | jelly, yes, I was almost sure that the keyword returned precise results before I checked - still, a google search shows the reasons in no time |
| 19:46.22 | jelly | thewanderer1: google search for what exactly? |
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| 19:47.24 | thewanderer1 | > mount samba in openvz |
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| 19:48.20 | Sessl | hey guys relax .. your infos was good for me, if i had knew it befor, i'd searched for the right things .. |
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| 19:48.44 | thewanderer1 | well Sessl, it pays off to know who you do your hosting with and what the limitations of VPS are |
| 19:49.56 | Sessl | my hoster is strato germany |
| 19:50.20 | thewanderer1 | yes, yes, just read whatever they say on the hosting technology used before buying :) |
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| 19:50.27 | meder_ | I sshed to my server and invoked screen, how can i get it back? |
| 19:50.35 | meder_ | i got dq'd |
| 19:50.57 | petemc | meder_: screen -x |
| 19:51.16 | meder_ | how does that know to restore if i opened multiple screens? |
| 19:51.23 | meder_ | wow, thats awesome |
| 19:51.28 | meder_ | lifechanging.. heh |
| 19:51.50 | petemc | its very useful, ive been meaning to look at tmux too |
| 19:52.02 | jelly | Sessl: I'm just flaming thewanderer1 for being generic and not providing any actual pointers for an issue that's far from trivial |
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| 19:53.11 | thewanderer1 | yeah, sorry for that... I'll go and get some fire extinguisher |
| 19:53.20 | stew | petemc: i couldn't find a compelling reason to stick with tmux. i was excited about horizontal splits, but I didn't like the fact that you couldn't cycle through windows in a split |
| 19:54.02 | petemc | ah |
| 19:54.42 | jelly | meder_: there are options for automatically attaching even when there are multiples screens, they're often mnemonicaly simple and just double the option letter, like screen -xx |
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| 19:55.20 | iluminator101 | How do i transfer my printer settings in debian to ubuntu lucid, without having to reinstall them? |
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| 19:55.57 | jelly | meder_: and there's a right place to put a rtfm. ;-) |
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| 19:56.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny.... gorn |
| 19:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, bartab looked nice, but I'm still using the lenny weasel... |
| 19:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, but taboo also looks interesting... I'm trying that |
| 19:57.08 | cahoot | iluminator101: copy /etc/cups/printers.conf? |
| 19:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | getting rid of the tabs is preferable to delayed-loading them anyway |
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| 20:03.58 | bluegene | where is the xorg.conf located? |
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| 20:04.29 | moldovean | nowhere or /etc/X11/ |
| 20:04.58 | moldovean | bluegene, /msg dpkg xorg.conf |
| 20:05.28 | bluegene | already found it using apt-file, apparently conf files are in /u/s/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 20:05.29 | andre_pl | thewanderer1: sorry, i had to take off for a bit. i'm not positive that its nfsv4, how can I check? |
| 20:05.34 | bluegene | thanks |
| 20:06.42 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: the comments in /etc/exports on the server will tell you the difference between the syntaxes |
| 20:06.58 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: specifically, if you are exporting it with fsid=0, you are probably running ext4 |
| 20:07.01 | thewanderer1 | errr nfs4 |
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| 20:07.43 | andre_pl | i'm using the v2/v3 syntax. |
| 20:07.51 | andre_pl | but it hasn't changed since this setup was working |
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| 20:08.10 | andre_pl | i only did a s/192.168.1/10.0.0/g |
| 20:09.09 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: do you run a firewall? |
| 20:09.20 | andre_pl | none |
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| 20:09.56 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: and you did check /etc/hosts.allow, did you? |
| 20:10.11 | andre_pl | thewanderer1: both hosts.allow and hosts.deny are blank, always have been too. |
| 20:10.31 | andre_pl | thewanderer1: did you see the message from syslog that i posted earlier? |
| 20:11.10 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: it seemed cut off, post it again in its entirety |
| 20:11.27 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: also find it in the server's /var/log/daemon.log |
| 20:11.35 | gnarface | andre_pl: you checked your route to make sure 10.0 isn't going somewhere else already right? |
| 20:11.46 | andre_pl | Aug 19 15:24:31 fserv mountd[2965]: refused mount request from 10.0.0.101 for /media/disk2 (/): not exported |
| 20:11.48 | jelly | andre_pl: what does "showmount -e local.ip.addr.ess" on the server say? |
| 20:11.57 | jelly | andre_pl: also, from the client as well |
| 20:12.03 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: it means that /media/disk2 is not exported. |
| 20:12.07 | andre_pl | ok, give me a sec to try all of these. |
| 20:12.10 | jelly | (but use -e serverip) |
| 20:12.12 | andre_pl | thewanderer1: it is exported though |
| 20:12.21 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: how? show me the line in /etc/exports... |
| 20:12.39 | andre_pl | /media/disk2 10.0.0.0.0/24(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 20:12.48 | andre_pl | OH NO! |
| 20:12.50 | jelly | andre_pl: you might _think_ it's exported! showmount doesn't lie. |
| 20:12.56 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: there it is. |
| 20:13.03 | jelly | nice, 40bit address |
| 20:13.14 | andre_pl | i don't know how i missed that. |
| 20:13.17 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 20:13.18 | jelly | andre_pl: ipv5? |
| 20:13.19 | andre_pl | i saw it instantly in irssi |
| 20:13.21 | andre_pl | lol |
| 20:14.34 | andre_pl | wonderful, works again. thanks for all the help! |
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| 20:16.28 | moldovean | andre_pl, what's ? > 10.0.0.0.0/24 |
| 20:17.09 | andre_pl | is this a joke? :) |
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| 20:17.17 | thewanderer1 | moldovean: you're in a time warp bubble :P |
| 20:17.28 | moldovean | jelly, ah , it's 40bit address .. |
| 20:17.56 | andre_pl | is this a glitch in the matrix? |
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| 20:18.37 | jelly | no, moldovean just got back from supper |
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| 20:21.10 | Mike__ | asd-askd: don't flood... |
| 20:21.13 | shahri | oh well |
| 20:21.14 | mentor | Already gone |
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| 20:21.36 | shahri | wow |
| 20:21.38 | rafuch0 | que mierda es eso de llamar a todos |
| 20:21.46 | jthomas_sb | oh come on |
| 20:21.47 | rafuch0 | baneen |
| 20:21.51 | starenka__ | buzzoff idiot |
| 20:21.57 | Chris___ | please go die |
| 20:21.59 | Chris___ | kthnxbye |
| 20:22.02 | RageOfThou | stupid troll is stupid |
| 20:22.02 | infinity0 | i feel so special |
| 20:22.04 | mentor | looks suspiciously at 45PAA1H3Q |
| 20:22.05 | Alam_Squeeze | ... |
| 20:22.07 | rafuch0 | flooder! |
| 20:22.10 | jelly | there's no use commenting on it |
| 20:22.10 | Touma | a bot spam |
| 20:22.11 | NiLon | ignore success! |
| 20:22.12 | rafuch0 | movin on... |
| 20:22.19 | neurolysis | ASK FREENODE STAFF WHY THEY CAN'T FIX THE SPAM PROBLEM >>> * Ellwell has quit (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) | seems pretty fixed to me |
| 20:22.21 | Touma | 6 bots |
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| 20:22.36 | neurolysis | ah shit son |
| 20:22.39 | kukhuvud | wow, wtf?? |
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| 20:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't look that fixed to me |
| 20:22.43 | Ergo^ | im not sure if thats really fixed :P |
| 20:22.45 | infinity0 | lolololololololol |
| 20:22.49 | neurolysis | I take back my statement. |
| 20:22.55 | amphi | Touma: now look what you've done ;) |
| 20:23.01 | e-anima | uhm |
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| 20:23.05 | NoNaMeNo | ffffffffffffffffffff- |
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| 20:23.08 | e-anima | i get no spam :) |
| 20:23.12 | jimcooncat | awakens from a sound sleep |
| 20:23.19 | Raptors | ???? |
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| 20:23.36 | djura-san | ah wtf? |
| 20:23.37 | NiLon | they could easily fix spam problem by not simply spamming like idiots |
| 20:23.37 | neurolysis | persistent little bugger, aren't they? |
| 20:23.39 | tolecnal | *shakes his head* |
| 20:23.40 | rafuch0 | can someone kick this dude |
| 20:23.43 | MartyD | farts |
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| 20:24.13 | Xires | any time you have a medium for which communication can be made..that communication medium can be abused for spam..it can never be completely prevented |
| 20:24.14 | tomaw | mentor: those aren't overly suspicious |
| 20:24.22 | tomaw | they're what happen on nick collisions now |
| 20:24.27 | neurolysis | mentor: er... |
| 20:24.28 | mentor | They're clones |
| 20:24.32 | mentor | Ah |
| 20:24.35 | mentor | Fuck's sake |
| 20:24.37 | Xires | there, freenode staff can be saved the incessant queries |
| 20:24.44 | tomaw | rather than killing we just renick to their unique id |
| 20:24.58 | NiLon | hihi |
| 20:25.01 | debulante | I am having troubles with my tftp, all I get is "connection timeout" on my nodes. |
| 20:25.15 | Saar | but why not spam in a more civilised and gentle way? |
| 20:25.20 | niklaswe | hmm must i enable in dhclient.conf so it sen hostname when it ask the dhcp-server after an ip ? |
| 20:25.24 | mentor | tomaw: Perhaps you could make them look more suspicious? |
| 20:25.39 | Saar | hey dudes, y'all interested in investing in Nigerian oil? |
| 20:25.41 | tomaw | mentor: they're suspcious in that they're illegal nicks (start with a digit) |
| 20:25.56 | Xires | Saar; it wouldn't be spam, then..it'd be polite advertising |
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| 20:26.18 | Saar | yeah but isn't the purpose of spam to actually earn money? |
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| 20:26.32 | Saar | just plain flodding doesn't get you anywhere |
| 20:26.34 | Touma | mentor, no they incommming ? |
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| 20:26.55 | Touma | other bot join |
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| 20:27.02 | Saar | oh wait sorry, I guess it gains lulz |
| 20:27.08 | jelly | Saar: "we're so cool because we show everyone how badly this irc network is maintained" |
| 20:27.13 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 20:27.25 | Saar | funny cause lul means penis in dutch |
| 20:27.55 | debulante | could anyone point me to somewhere that i could get advice on tftp? i believe it to be something wrong with my dhcpd.conf, but i am not sure. |
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| 20:28.11 | Saar | i got to say freenode is better maintained than some other networks |
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| 20:28.25 | tim_uiuc | I'm trying to start a program automatically at start-up, and I'm using an older version of linux debian that only has the command line (kernel 2.4.xx). I understand that a script is placed into /etc/rc.2/ as S99my_script and it'll run on startup. But my question to you is how do you get this to run in another terminal, such as tty2? |
| 20:28.26 | Saar | it's only by virtue of it having many more people that it gets more abuse |
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| 20:28.55 | jelly | Saar: there are many logical errors in that sentence, but logic doesn't really matter |
| 20:28.55 | debulante | im leaving |
| 20:29.04 | muh2000 | lol |
| 20:29.07 | debulante | IF this does not stop |
| 20:29.15 | darktemplar | I have a server running slapd that uses syncrepl over OpenVPN to grab the db from another server. now, if the master goes offline while the slave is running, everything is fine. if I try and start the slave without the master, it doesnt seem to timeout in any way |
| 20:29.32 | RageOfThou | it is my opinion that everyone on this server should be banned - to prevent spam |
| 20:29.33 | SineDeviance | <debulante> im leaving <-- thats exactly what he wants you to do |
| 20:29.45 | Touma | idoru, kill the bot 92AAAXGX5 |
| 20:29.48 | ghoo | when you leave the spammer wins |
| 20:29.48 | yoshx | lol they have nothing else to do... |
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| 20:29.56 | mentor | Touma: It's not a bot, it's a nick collision. |
| 20:30.06 | Touma | ok |
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| 20:30.12 | SineDeviance | ahh crap. gotta reboot again :\ |
| 20:30.12 | yoshx | a nick collision ? |
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| 20:30.22 | thewanderer1 | debulante: it all depends on what tftp server you are using. in any case, observe the logs. |
| 20:30.30 | mentor | They're assigned suspicious alphanumeric nicks, apparently |
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| 20:30.57 | kwork | mmm |
| 20:30.58 | dkr | get a brain mor"RAN" |
| 20:30.58 | Sir_Konrad | :\ |
| 20:30.59 | Touma | not really mentor see |
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| 20:31.08 | broy | on text *spam* /kline idiot |
| 20:31.08 | Porvoero | crazy |
| 20:31.10 | broy | thanks |
| 20:31.11 | Porvoero | hahaha |
| 20:31.23 | kwork | lol |
| 20:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Touma, that one didn't start with a number... |
| 20:31.25 | Touma | if the alphanumeric join , join the bot flooder |
| 20:31.34 | debulante | I have been observing the logs, everything seems to be running, but no files are sent, including my pxelinux.0 boot file to the nodes... |
| 20:32.05 | jelly | mentor: most of the 94CAPSNICKs were leftover from previous netsplit |
| 20:32.12 | thewanderer1 | debulante: what does the DHCP client say? |
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| 20:33.00 | Lanz | What spam? :/ |
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| 20:33.18 | BrutalKlines | Yes, hello. Let's all talk about freenodes spam problem and how every oper here is terrible at their job and would rather babysit channels, scolding anybody asking about why the attacks are not being mitigated or well handled. Spam is never off-topic while its on-going. I will be abusively and instantly k-lined for even bringing this subject up. Have a nice day. |
| 20:33.23 | Sir_Konrad | Lanz: That spam. |
| 20:33.38 | Lanz | Hm |
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| 20:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | they seem to be the ones that join with smalla-z@IP - most everyone joins with a hostname |
| 20:33.43 | debulante | thewanderer1: lists the given ip addresses from the headnode, then "PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout" |
| 20:33.43 | Lanz | I never noticed this til today |
| 20:33.45 | Sir_Konrad | yeah. That. |
| 20:34.15 | Lanz | I only got the IRC alert because they said my name, lol |
| 20:34.17 | thewanderer1 | debulante: it would mean that your TFTP server is not responding - wrong address configured or a firewall :P |
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| 20:34.58 | debulante | thewanderer1: tried firewall... and tftp is responding in the logs |
| 20:35.12 | NiLon | I wonder how spamming is helping the problem that would not exists without spamming, weird logic |
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| 20:35.36 | Lanz | While I'm here, I've been trying to find a program to link the chat between any IRC channel and a direct connect (verlihub) hub. Does anyone know how to do that? |
| 20:35.41 | paranoidphreak_ | hi everybody, sometimes, iceweasel doesn't start because it says it's already running; so, i run a script with the following commands when ever this happens: "killall firefox-bin", "iceweasel" but on rare ocassions, this doesn't do the trick because "firefox-bin" command doesn't show up in "System Monitor" but instead it shows up in "HTop". is there any way to fix this issue with a script whenever this happens or i always have to do it manually by |
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| 20:35.46 | jelly | NiLon: don't look for logic there |
| 20:35.51 | Saar | NiLon: in order to gain lulz trolls defy logic :) |
| 20:36.07 | Lanz | I found a program designed to do it, but it's for Windows only http://dc-hublink.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:36.18 | thewanderer1 | debulante: so what do the server logs say? |
| 20:36.19 | Lanz | Can't seem to find a *nix equivalent |
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| 20:36.32 | Lanz | And Wine won't run it for some reason |
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| 20:37.36 | Saar | i don't know but so far that sp*mming is rather unimpressive |
| 20:37.48 | SineDeviance | paranoidphreak: did you try 'killall firefox-bin && killall iceweasel' ? |
| 20:38.00 | Saar | a few lines of flood by a random bot and then klined |
| 20:38.02 | debulante | thewanderer1: dhcpdiscover, dhcpoffer, dhcprequest, dhpack all successful in the logs to all nodes. |
| 20:38.12 | jelly | Lanz: it has source, which means you can try winelib to build it natively |
| 20:38.29 | Lanz | Oh, true! I didn't think of that |
| 20:38.31 | Lanz | Thanks a lot jelly |
| 20:38.52 | Saar | thinks back to the days of winnuking whole channels |
| 20:39.04 | paranoidphreak_ | SineDeviance: yes, i have did the following "killall firefox-bin" and on a seperate line ran "iceweasel" |
| 20:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | SineDeviance, "&&"? Then the 2nd only runs if the first succeeded... |
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| 20:40.11 | SineDeviance | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah but the first should 'succeed' even if there is no process to kill. it would just dump a message like "no process killed" in terminal. then move on. |
| 20:40.26 | jelly | SineDeviance: I don't remember seeing "iceweasel" processes, is that recent? |
| 20:40.26 | paranoidphreak_ | SineDeviance: i didn't kill iceweasel |
| 20:40.33 | SineDeviance | there's no need to for an 'exit 0' for killall |
| 20:40.50 | SineDeviance | jelly, i just guessed. i figured iceweasel might have it's own bin |
| 20:41.04 | jelly | SineDeviance: no, it's still firefox-bin |
| 20:41.07 | SineDeviance | ah |
| 20:41.11 | gnarface | fucking brownouts |
| 20:41.12 | SineDeviance | ahh |
| 20:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | SineDeviance, killall aalfjskladf && echo success |
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| 20:41.28 | SineDeviance | paranoidphreak_: did you try running the killall as sudo or root? |
| 20:41.32 | jelly | SineDeviance: but there's plugin-container now or whatever it's called |
| 20:41.50 | SineDeviance | jelly: yeah, but that one is supposed to die whenever the main firefox process dies |
| 20:42.07 | paranoidphreak_ | SineDeviance: no, because i didn't run iceweasel as sudo or root |
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| 20:42.35 | jelly | SineDeviance: but does it?! |
| 20:42.44 | TuXXX | galera, alguem manja de controle de banda Qos pra me dar um help? |
| 20:42.53 | debulante | thewanderer1: so you really think it may be a firewall issue?? |
| 20:42.55 | jelly | !br |
| 20:42.55 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:43.37 | TuXXX | can somebody give me a little hand with Qos speed limit? |
| 20:44.07 | thewanderer1 | debulante: alright, but what do the TFTP logs say? |
| 20:46.12 | paranoidphreak_ | anyways, thanks for trying to help me solve this issue, i guess for now, i'll kill it manually. maybe someone else may help me solve this issue |
| 20:47.01 | debulante | thewanderer1: where is the tftp log? its tftpd-hpa |
| 20:47.07 | tim_uiuc | I'm trying to start a program automatically at start-up, and I'm using an older version of linux debian that only has the command line (kernel 2.4.xx). I understand that a script is placed into /etc/rc.2/ as S99my_script and it'll run on startup. But my question to you is how do you get this to run in another terminal, such as tty2? |
| 20:47.16 | ZeuZ | TuXXX, htb-gen, otherwise lartc.org |
| 20:47.49 | debulante | thewanderer1: sorry just went from a normal ftp to tftpd-hpa, thats the reason for these probs |
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| 20:49.23 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: /etc/inittab |
| 20:49.48 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: or do you mean run on login? |
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| 20:50.25 | thewanderer1 | debulante: hm, ok, tftpd-hpa doesn't seem to produce info logs... check /var/log/daemon.log anyway and grep for tftp |
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| 20:51.07 | amee2k | i'm starting to wonder why noone ever thought of a heuristic spambot detector for IRC... |
| 20:51.25 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: because too many legitimate users and trolls would be kicked :P |
| 20:51.40 | ghoo | like an irc stud detector? |
| 20:51.46 | amee2k | i have set to see a single line that highlight more than two dozen users at once and is legitimate |
| 20:51.55 | tim_uiuc | quitte_: run right when the computer starts |
| 20:52.08 | ghoo | they have something like that, which should work, and is in use on most irc daemons |
| 20:52.30 | ghoo | http://www.dronebl.org |
| 20:52.30 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: inittab then. replace the getty running on tty2 |
| 20:52.33 | amee2k | i could see a case that warrants an exeption from above heuristic with some corner cases of service bots, but these could be manually exempted |
| 20:52.41 | ghoo | freenode's should be catching these spammers, but it isn't |
| 20:52.50 | CyberaX2195 | :q |
| 20:52.53 | CyberaX2195 | oops |
| 20:52.57 | amee2k | ghoo: yeah, that was my next thought |
| 20:52.59 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, when I do that, the screen just becomes a blinking cursor at the top left and I can't type in anything |
| 20:53.02 | amee2k | if they have it, why does't it work |
| 20:53.06 | ghoo | there's also efnetbl |
| 20:53.12 | stew | ghoo: amee2k: can you please move this discussion to #freenode? |
| 20:53.13 | TuXXX | ZeuZ, thank you! |
| 20:53.20 | ghoo | efnet has a fraction the spam freenode does |
| 20:53.23 | amee2k | stew: no? |
| 20:53.32 | ghoo | stew: i would if they'd listen to me |
| 20:53.34 | stew | amee2k: then please just drop it |
| 20:53.42 | ghoo | everyone would rather sweep this issue under the rug |
| 20:53.52 | amee2k | drops a brick on stew's p***is |
| 20:53.52 | debulante | thewanderer1: in.tftpd[18104]: cannot set groups for user nobody |
| 20:53.52 | ghoo | but ok, i'll be quiet |
| 20:53.55 | stew | ghoo: please just stick to debian related topics in here |
| 20:53.55 | amee2k | will do |
| 20:54.05 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, like now I have: 2:2345:once:/home/tim/my_script.sh 38400 tty2 |
| 20:54.05 | neoice | for some reason, fcgi spins up 33 processes. anyone know where I might be able to tune this? I currently have ZERO apache requests, so I dont know why it wants so many processes |
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| 20:54.15 | thewanderer1 | debulante: perhaps the tftp server is not really working? :P |
| 20:54.44 | debulante | thewanderer1: i could have figured that out pretty easily lol |
| 20:54.54 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, and it gets executed on tty1, (alt+f1) |
| 20:54.59 | debulante | what im wondering is why |
| 20:56.13 | thewanderer1 | debulante: run it in standalone mode instead of this silly inetd thing |
| 20:56.33 | debulante | thewanderer1: ...how??? |
| 20:56.43 | amee2k | sticking the head in the ground is probably a way to solve problems. doesn't mean i have to like it. but right now its the only strategy i discern on FNs behalf </rant> |
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| 20:57.35 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: hmm. true. it seems its not init redirecting getty to the right tty. i guess there's a getty for that. |
| 20:58.03 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, what exactly do you mean? |
| 20:58.32 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: look at the rungetty package and use it instead of mingetty for tty2 |
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| 20:59.00 | neoice | does bind9 need to be able to make DNS queries to start? as soon as I added another NS other than localhost, it came up fine. |
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| 20:59.54 | thewanderer1 | debulante: sth like /etc/default/tftpd.hpa ? |
| 20:59.54 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, ok, will do. do you think i would have to pipe the command to getty, something like /sbin/getty | /home/tim/my_script.sh |
| 21:00.30 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: packages come with documentation in /usr/share/doc as well as manpages |
| 21:00.46 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, ok-- i will look into mingetty |
| 21:00.54 | quitte_ | rungetty |
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| 21:01.17 | tim_uiuc | ah, right, understood |
| 21:01.32 | quitte_ | do you know where to find packages for your version of debian? |
| 21:01.45 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:02.40 | moldovean | tim_uiuc, what's your processor architecture ? |
| 21:03.10 | debulante | thewanderer1: the only way i know of to run tftp is in /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa |
| 21:03.44 | tim_uiuc | moldovean, i'm not quite sure |
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| 21:03.58 | thewanderer1 | debulante: RUN_DAEMON="yes" -- do you have this set? |
| 21:04.02 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, could you elaborate? |
| 21:04.24 | jpinx-ee1pc | CutMeOwnThroat: did taboo work? |
| 21:04.25 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, I tried running "apt-get install rungetty" but it said it couldn't find the package |
| 21:04.39 | moldovean | tim_uiuc, dpkg-architecture | grep DEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU |
| 21:04.48 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:04.59 | quitte_ | tim_uiuc: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 21:05.28 | tim_uiuc | quitte_, 3.1 |
| 21:05.40 | amee2k | cool |
| 21:05.43 | jelly | tim_uiuc: 12:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 -n -l /path/to/some/command tty12 # (runs on... tty12) |
| 21:05.48 | amee2k | thats the first deb version i ever used :) |
| 21:06.01 | tim_uiuc | moldovean, i386 |
| 21:06.02 | quitte_ | is that woody? |
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| 21:06.07 | moldovean | sarge |
| 21:06.08 | stew | sarge |
| 21:06.18 | debulante | thewanderer1: would that be in the tftp config file |
| 21:06.29 | nickaugust | how can I see the version of the software in the search results of 'aptitude search'? |
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| 21:06.34 | quitte_ | i even forgot about sarge. potato was my first :) |
| 21:06.38 | tim_uiuc | jelly, why "tty12"? I thought there were only 6 tty's |
| 21:07.02 | jelly | tim_uiuc: how many Function keys do you have on your keyboard? |
| 21:07.22 | tim_uiuc | jelly, lol true that |
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| 21:07.36 | stew | nickaugust: something like aptitude search -F'%p %V' foo |
| 21:07.44 | thewanderer1 | debulante: no, in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa file, tftpd-hpa has no other config file :P |
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| 21:08.00 | amee2k | . o O ( aaaand here comes the vagina ) |
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| 21:08.42 | llua | ... |
| 21:09.03 | mi | hmpf... |
| 21:09.26 | ultron | hello... i want to remove evolution... but when i do apt-get remove evolution... there is a lot of packages to remove as well |
| 21:09.37 | ultron | but i need those..... |
| 21:09.41 | ultron | how can i fix it? |
| 21:09.47 | debulante | thewanderer1: it's set now |
| 21:10.17 | thewanderer1 | debulante: so start tftpd-hpa (yes, do remove it from inetd file) |
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| 21:10.31 | tim_uiuc | jelly, thanks! that seems to work |
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| 21:11.31 | moldovean | tim_uiuc, /msd dpkg sarge |
| 21:11.40 | jelly | tim_uiuc: for some reason I had an "stty raw" as the first line in the script that was called there |
| 21:11.45 | debulante | thewanderer1: the only way i know how to start tftpd is thru inet.d |
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| 21:11.47 | Xenguy | ultron: yeah, evo is part of gnome-desktop metapackage (or whatever it's called) |
| 21:12.12 | Xenguy | ultron: I don't know of a way around it; maybe someone else does |
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| 21:12.35 | ultron | im just trying to optimize my gnome..... it takes to long to boot |
| 21:12.45 | amee2k | doesn't 'aptitude install'ing the installed packages promote them from dependency status to manually installed ? |
| 21:12.54 | tim_uiuc | jelly, i'm not quite sure I understand... there's no stty raw |
| 21:12.55 | Xenguy | ultron: older hardware? |
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| 21:13.02 | tim_uiuc | moldovean, sorry... what does this do now? |
| 21:13.05 | ultron | no..its a netbook |
| 21:13.09 | amee2k | then you can remove gnome-desktop with no harm done |
| 21:13.13 | ultron | kinda slow anyway |
| 21:13.14 | quitte_ | ultron: removing evolution won't help. it's not run at startup |
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| 21:13.22 | debulante | ultron: maybe because its gnome? :P |
| 21:13.26 | thewanderer1 | debulante: I've never done that - standalone mode works for me :P |
| 21:13.35 | quitte_ | ultron: one with a slow ssd? |
| 21:13.37 | ahc | ultron: dpkg --ignore-depends= |
| 21:13.42 | ultron | quitte_: yes.... you're right u.u |
| 21:13.46 | jelly | tim_uiuc: my -l argument was a shell script. It ran "stty raw" and then ran the actual command, and I don't remember the reason. |
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| 21:13.53 | moldovean | tim_uiuc, i meant, have to upgrade to lenny |
| 21:14.03 | phylogenesis | When I installed Debian, it asked me to install iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode from external media, which I don't have. Now that it's installed, how can I get it? dvc told me something about apt firmware I think, but I don't remember it exactly. |
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| 21:14.07 | ultron | ahc: thx! |
| 21:14.12 | quitte_ | ultron: try running debian-live. the compressed filesystem helps _a_lot_ |
| 21:14.43 | tim_uiuc | moldovean, i can't update because we have a pci card that only uses kernel 2.4.xx , for whatever reason |
| 21:14.49 | tim_uiuc | jelly, well, whatever you sent me worked |
| 21:15.01 | jelly | alright |
| 21:15.07 | debulante | thewanderer1: but hooowww?? |
| 21:15.11 | ultron | you know... is not the whole boot that annoys me... is just gnome boot |
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| 21:15.31 | mi | hmmmm |
| 21:15.41 | debulante | i hate this spam |
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| 21:15.44 | phylogenesis | joy |
| 21:15.54 | debulante | there is no point to this |
| 21:15.59 | thrashold | Well, it went away. I guess that proves him wrong. |
| 21:16.01 | dkr | debulante: we hate your inability to refrain from commenting on it |
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| 21:16.12 | mi | he'll come back ;) |
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| 21:16.16 | amphi | heh |
| 21:16.18 | mi | as he did before... |
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| 21:16.44 | ultron | they always comes back... |
| 21:16.50 | moldovean | tim_uiuc, which pci card ? run lspci -nn and tell us his xxxx:yyyy identity |
| 21:16.50 | tim_uiuc | jelly, I guess "-l" means to prompt the user to login, although you also have "-n"... isn't this contradictory? |
| 21:16.50 | thrashold | Oh, this was the second time? I thought most spammers couldn't do such complicated things :D |
| 21:17.00 | thewanderer1 | debulante: remove its entry from /etc/inetd.conf and run it through init script |
| 21:17.03 | shahri | this was the millionth time |
| 21:17.20 | tim_uiuc | moldovean, it's a gps receiver. hold on ill check |
| 21:17.32 | mi | 5*10^439574987648957694857689 time :P |
| 21:18.01 | tim_uiuc | moldovean, 0000:03:09.0 ff00 |
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| 21:18.09 | moldovean | nah |
| 21:18.18 | moldovean | xxxx:yyyy < |
| 21:18.32 | mi | spammers clever, spammers do know how change ip and subnetz |
| 21:19.03 | moldovean | tim_uiuc, something as [1524:0530] |
| 21:19.04 | jelly | tim_uiuc: typically getty calls the /bin/login process. man getty will explain -l replaces that process |
| 21:19.50 | phylogenesis | How do I install a firmware file that the Debian installer that I don't have media for? |
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| 21:20.01 | ultron | hahahaha he must be laughing 'cause he did spam.... his heart must be beating at 500% |
| 21:20.04 | phylogenesis | and is it Debian with a short e or long e? |
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| 21:20.17 | jelly | tim_uiuc: you can try and see what happens if you don't -n, or what happens if you just -n and not -l /path/to/foo |
| 21:21.07 | tim_uiuc | moldovean, ok, hang on let me check. |
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| 21:21.22 | tim_uiuc | jelly, why isn't this command "piped" as I would normally think it would be? |
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| 21:21.58 | jelly | tim_uiuc: you'll want to investigate how getty works, and what piping means. |
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| 21:22.06 | amphi | bloody spew blinks my thinklight |
| 21:22.07 | tim_uiuc | jelly, understood |
| 21:22.30 | jelly | amphi: you let him. |
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| 21:22.36 | jelly | led* |
| 21:22.39 | kwork | mmm |
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| 21:22.59 | amphi | heh |
| 21:22.59 | tim_uiuc | jelly, again, thanks.... i couldn't find this for the life with google searching... |
| 21:23.09 | kwork | mode +r #debian ? |
| 21:23.19 | kwork | or R smt like that |
| 21:23.29 | jelly | amphi: hah, sorry, I read "s_t_ew" |
| 21:23.46 | amphi | ah |
| 21:24.09 | amphi | I thought 'led' was a laboured pun⦠|
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| 21:24.28 | debulante | thewanderer1: in.tftpd[18456]: cannot bind to local IPv4 socket: Address already in use \\ in.tftpd[18466]: connect from 192.168.1.50 (192.168.1.50) \\ in.tftpd[18467]: cannot set groups for user nobody |
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| 21:24.59 | itewsh | Is there a way to hibernate my computer through the terminal? |
| 21:25.02 | jelly | will paypal 25USD to anyone making an XChat perl or python script that would ignore lines containing 5 or more nicknames present in the current channel, and not eat too much cpu |
| 21:25.15 | jelly | s/anyone/first person/ |
| 21:25.19 | amphi | itewsh: I type 'hibernate' here ;) |
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| 21:25.29 | amphi | itewsh: that's using s2disk |
| 21:25.53 | itewsh | amphi: yeah hmm |
| 21:25.56 | itewsh | :p |
| 21:26.02 | amphi | itewsh: with older kernel swsusp, 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' would do it |
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| 21:26.16 | jelly | huh, http://orvp.net/xchat/masshighlightignore/ |
| 21:26.18 | thewanderer1 | debulante: stop inetd first... only then you can start tftpd |
| 21:26.23 | itewsh | amphi: ok thanks! :) |
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| 21:26.48 | amphi | itewsh: cat /sys/power/state to see that it contains 'disk' perhaps |
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| 21:27.32 | itewsh | mem disk |
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| 21:28.09 | amphi | itewsh: 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' will suspend to ram - if you're lucky, it will also wake up |
| 21:28.41 | amphi | itewsh: suspend to disk has always worked well for me |
| 21:28.54 | kukhuvud | i'm having a devil of a time making a brand new debian server act as an nfs server |
| 21:28.56 | chomwitt_ | !freeze |
| 21:28.56 | dpkg | A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 21:29.00 | debulante | thewanderer1: the only tftp process is in.tftpd... is that the inetd? |
| 21:29.09 | kukhuvud | can anyone point me towards a guide? my google today is failing.... |
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| 21:30.29 | OpenTokix | kukhuvud: install nfs-kernel-server and then edit /etc/exports |
| 21:30.50 | OpenTokix | kukhuvud: nice nick for expecting help. |
| 21:30.58 | kukhuvud | thanks OpenTokix, i've managed to do that, at least :) |
| 21:31.08 | OpenTokix | kukhuvud: so, what is the problem? |
| 21:31.11 | thewanderer1 | debulante: yeah |
| 21:31.14 | og420josh | DCC SEND "gettanewrouter" 0 0 0 |
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| 21:31.27 | kukhuvud | my problem is that i get access denied when mounting the share |
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| 21:31.43 | kukhuvud | i'm not entirely certain that i've set it up 100% |
| 21:31.44 | OpenTokix | kukhuvud: ok, what do your exportline look like? |
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| 21:32.36 | OpenTokix | kukhuvud: and please, change nicks |
| 21:33.16 | kukhuvud | my exports line is very simple: /storage/skynet 10.223.25.1/24(rw) 10.223.26.1/24(rw) |
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| 21:33.46 | kukhuvud | nick gangsta |
| 21:33.49 | kukhuvud | oops ;) |
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| 21:34.17 | OpenTokix | kukhuvud: ok, did you check the log when you reload the server? |
| 21:34.23 | debulante | thewanderer1: sorry to be the blond here but how do i run it in standalone? im simply doing in.tftpd -l |
| 21:34.36 | OpenTokix | gangsta: This is my standardline: (rw,sync,root_squash,subtree_check) |
| 21:34.44 | gangsta | that's part of my issue, i don't know where the logs are in debian |
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| 21:35.12 | thewanderer1 | debulante: edit /etc/default/tftpd-hpa, set the variables accordingly and run /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start |
| 21:35.14 | thewanderer1 | I'm off now |
| 21:35.16 | OpenTokix | gangsta: /var/log |
| 21:35.32 | OpenTokix | gangsta: check kern.log, messages and syslog |
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| 21:40.28 | KBJ1WQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.42 | gangsta | thanks for the log tips, i'm used to different os's |
| 21:41.01 | gangsta | nothing seems to get logged when i try to connect from windows |
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| 21:41.15 | OpenTokix | gangsta: from windows, nfs? |
| 21:41.34 | nickaugust | spam is off topic |
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| 21:42.31 | aarcane | I need to get a nick farther down the list :( |
| 21:42.36 | root________ | there |
| 21:42.50 | gangsta | yup, from windows 7 nfs |
| 21:43.01 | OpenTokix | gangsta: I would try to add "insecure" |
| 21:43.05 | phylogenesis | How will that help? |
| 21:43.06 | gangsta | heh |
| 21:43.08 | OpenTokix | gangsta: thats needed for os x |
| 21:43.15 | OpenTokix | gangsta: im not joking, hold on |
| 21:43.24 | gangsta | add insecure to the exports file? |
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| 21:43.51 | OpenTokix | gangsta: The insecure option in this entry also allows clients with NFS implementations that don't use a reserved port for NFS. |
| 21:43.59 | OpenTokix | gangsta: yes (rw,insecure) |
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| 21:44.55 | gangsta | ah, here's the error |
| 21:45.00 | gangsta | it claims it's not exported? |
| 21:45.36 | OpenTokix | did you restart the server? |
| 21:45.42 | gangsta | yup, sure did |
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| 21:46.26 | gangsta | is it possible to share to users/groups instead of ip/networks? |
| 21:46.36 | OpenTokix | gangsta: is it a tab after the path and the ip? |
| 21:46.48 | gangsta | yup, definitely |
| 21:47.28 | OpenTokix | gangsta: on the server, try showmounts -e localhost |
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| 21:47.50 | OpenTokix | gangsta: try showmount -e localhost |
| 21:47.51 | OpenTokix | I mean |
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| 21:48.34 | gangsta | well, it does show the mount with the trwo /24 networks separated by a , |
| 21:48.40 | gangsta | trwo=two |
| 21:48.50 | OpenTokix | ok, good |
| 21:48.55 | OpenTokix | then it is exported |
| 21:50.30 | gangsta | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.38 | OpenTokix | gangsta: and the problem is on the windows-side I guess |
| 21:50.43 | OpenTokix | gangsta: im going to bed now |
| 21:50.59 | OpenTokix | *gone* |
| 21:51.04 | gangsta | thanks :) |
| 21:51.22 | gangsta | from my syslog, in case anyone else was watching: Aug 19 14:40:28 la-debian-raid mountd[4718]: refused mount request from 10.223.26.103 for /software (/): not exported |
| 21:51.57 | gangsta | and just in case i was etting the sahre wrong on my mount command: Aug 19 14:40:28 la-debian-raid mountd[4718]: refused mount request from 10.223.26.103 for /software/skynet (/): not exported |
| 21:52.26 | jelly | gangsta: sounds like... "/software" is not exported. |
| 21:52.32 | dArK_IcE | Wr4i7h |
| 21:52.43 | dArK_IcE | !aids |
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| 21:53.09 | gangsta | crikey, i'm a retard ;) |
| 21:53.22 | gangsta | guess i have software on my mind! |
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| 21:53.36 | gangsta | thanks jelly :) |
| 21:53.50 | jelly | heh |
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| 21:55.03 | gangsta | now i just need to understand why the drive letter works in the command prompt window, but it doesn't show in windows exploere |
| 21:55.58 | gangsta | of course, i have this issue when mounting my osol server too |
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| 21:56.36 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:57.07 | gangsta | moldovean, i don't understand? |
| 21:57.22 | gangsta | i'm guessing "ask in #windows" ;) |
| 21:58.00 | jelly | yes, only, it really has two # |
| 21:58.27 | gangsta | oh wow, ok |
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| 21:58.48 | gangsta | typical windows users ;) |
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| 22:00.06 | ultron | is there a windows on freenode? |
| 22:00.06 | ultron | :p |
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| 22:09.33 | jelly | ultron: ##windows and ##windows-server have more than 100 users. |
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| 22:13.11 | kukhuvud | ok, so here's a debian nfs question for you guys: once you have created an nfs share, do you protect it with standard unix permissions? or are there acl's that you manage with some other tools besides chown and chmod? |
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| 22:16.46 | jordanm | kukhuvud: I recall a "secureing nfs" section of the hardening guide |
| 22:17.00 | jordanm | !tell kukhuvud about securing debian |
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| 22:18.12 | kukhuvud | thanks, mate :) |
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| 22:20.21 | kefalo | how can i downgrade php 5.3.2-2 to 5.2.0? i have debian squeeze |
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| 22:21.10 | DanDare | kefalo, soory to ask, got curious... why downgrade ? |
| 22:21.51 | kefalo | web application that i use doesnt work with php 5.3 |
| 22:22.22 | DanDare | kefalo, you think its bug or something like this? |
| 22:22.27 | kefalo | no |
| 22:22.37 | DanDare | strange, because both are PHP 5 |
| 22:22.50 | kefalo | it is recommended by that application to use php 5.2 |
| 22:22.53 | DanDare | i guess same code is meant to work in both |
| 22:22.59 | DanDare | i see... |
| 22:23.01 | NiLon | 5.2 and 5.3 have massive differences |
| 22:23.14 | DanDare | NiLon, good to know... |
| 22:23.40 | DanDare | I just bought a PHP book to learn code, im eating anything related since :p |
| 22:23.41 | maix | I've just upgraded my desktop to squeeze and now after boot, it does not start the xserver ("not starting gnome display manager; it is not the default display manager"). when I startx on the tty, I get a blank screen, when switching back to the tty then, it seems to stay on this resolution, the output is much smaller than usual and it is scattered all over the screen. what might that be / where shall I start to seek? |
| 22:23.46 | kefalo | i just installed squeeze and have some errors in scripts... that are disabling application to work properly |
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| 22:25.10 | kefalo | maix, try starting gnome with this command /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 22:25.29 | NiLon | DanDare http://php.net/manual/en/migration53.php :) |
| 22:25.35 | kefalo | maix, or try this /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 22:26.38 | maix | ah thanks kefalo with gdm3 it works |
| 22:26.39 | DanDare | thanks NiLon... here I have 5.2.6 that sounds like default PHP installation for Lenny |
| 22:26.57 | NiLon | DanDare yeah that is, and it's shame :( |
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| 22:27.02 | NiLon | 5.3 is so lovely |
| 22:27.07 | DanDare | kefalo, do you compiled and installed PHP 5.3 ? Lenny default is 5.2 |
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| 22:27.27 | kefalo | i have installed squeeze 2 days ago... |
| 22:27.30 | DanDare | NiLon, its confusing for novice like me |
| 22:27.33 | kefalo | new install |
| 22:27.39 | DanDare | ahh right |
| 22:27.52 | maix | kefalo: how do I make gdm3 the default then? |
| 22:28.31 | DanDare | OT "Most improvements in PHP 5.3.x have no impact on existing code" sound good |
| 22:28.47 | maix | purge gdm? |
| 22:29.03 | kefalo | maix, rly dont know... try google :S |
| 22:29.43 | DanDare | anyway... its bad when guys doesnt keep backward compatibility |
| 22:30.25 | DanDare | or not maybe it all depends |
| 22:30.34 | NiLon | DanDare not really.. |
| 22:30.44 | kefalo | yeah... at least for 1 version difference like 5.2->5.3 |
| 22:31.01 | NiLon | it's not just 1 version difference |
| 22:31.19 | DanDare | 5.2.6.2.00.0.1 :/ |
| 22:31.32 | NiLon | yeah :P |
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| 22:32.08 | NiLon | 5.4 is going to be even bigger upgrade |
| 22:32.22 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.22 | gnarface | i'm frustrated with what they did to the DateTime object in 5.3. that was ill advised |
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| 22:33.04 | maix | ok kefalo it does seem to remember that, after reboot it started automatically now |
| 22:33.23 | maix | the problem with switching to tty still exists though |
| 22:33.41 | kefalo | maix, what graphic card u have? |
| 22:34.01 | maix | nvidia |
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| 22:34.22 | maix | enough or do you need the exact one? |
| 22:34.23 | kefalo | hum... i had same problem and i have solved it with this thread |
| 22:34.30 | kefalo | maix, http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21935&page=4 |
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| 22:34.58 | kefalo | maix, i have ati x1400 |
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| 22:36.34 | kefalo | maix, try with post #46 in that thread http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=114796&postcount=46 |
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| 22:41.57 | maix | kefalo: sure radeon is the right thing? it's an nvidia geforce 6100 nforce |
| 22:44.15 | kefalo | maix, you are right... dont echo radeon... to /etc/modules |
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| 22:44.52 | kefalo | maix, try with nvidia drivers it may fix it. |
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| 22:52.22 | rednammoc | hi guys. i'm searching for an command-line tool to list, select, close, open windows (applications). does anyone know such a tool? |
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| 22:54.10 | gnarface | rednammoc: the tool would be window-manager specific. i know e16 has such a tool but i can't tell you whether other window managers do or what it would be called |
| 22:54.51 | rednammoc | gnarface: thx for the hint! |
| 22:55.57 | gnarface | rednammoc: sorry that that's all i've got for you. in e16 the tool is eesh |
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| 22:57.20 | kefalo | how to downgrade php 5.3.2 to 5.2 in squeeze? |
| 22:58.32 | gnarface | kefalo: :-/ wouldn't advise it. not sure how, myself, but there might be a way to pin apt on a specific version of php if that version was ever in squeeze |
| 22:58.50 | maix | kefalo: you could add stable to the repos and pin 5.3* low - but i don't know if that works all fine |
| 22:59.34 | kefalo | ill try that |
| 22:59.35 | rednammoc | kefalo: yeah. you need to apt-get remove the new and add old sources to the repo, i guess |
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| 22:59.57 | rednammoc | kefalo: repo -- i mean sources.list |
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| 23:00.27 | jordanm | rednammoc: alt+tab and alt+f4 in your window manager? |
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| 23:00.57 | rednammoc | jordanm: thats a shortcut, no command-line-tool :P |
| 23:00.58 | jordanm | nvm, misread the question |
| 23:00.59 | kefalo | rednammoc, ofc.. |
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| 23:02.04 | makubi | Hi, I am installing debian lenny atm and I wonder, why I can't install grub. I use 3 partitions, RAID1 for /boot and 3 partitions, RAID5 for the rest. When I try to install grub with debian-installer, I get an error, so I chrootet to /target and tried to install it with grub-command. If I type "root (hd0,0)" I get "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xee". What am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:03.46 | xyan | makubi: grub-legacy? might not understand 0xEE guid partition tables |
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| 23:05.12 | makubi | xyan: Well, I did not tell debian-installer to use GPT (my boot partition is just 256MB big) |
| 23:05.20 | makubi | so I do not think, that I need it |
| 23:05.32 | makubi | xyan: however, you know what I can do? use grub2? |
| 23:05.52 | xyan | makubi: are you installing on a mac? |
| 23:05.58 | makubi | xyan: lol no :) |
| 23:06.08 | xyan | makubi: why do you have a 0xee partition type then? :O) |
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| 23:06.24 | makubi | xyan: because my HDD is 2TB big |
| 23:06.28 | rednammoc | the tool i was looking for is called "wmctrl". |
| 23:06.29 | makubi | well they are 3x2TB |
| 23:06.39 | xyan | makubi: anyway yeah continue without grub fetch a debian live cd and install grub2 |
| 23:07.06 | xyan | makubi: didnt use the installer for quite some time, maybe you can select grub2 there as well |
| 23:07.13 | makubi | xyan: I am still using the live-"cd" (in fact its an usb-stick). just chroot to /target and apt-get install grub2? |
| 23:07.22 | makubi | xyan: nope, not for lenny |
| 23:07.29 | makubi | maybe for squeeze |
| 23:07.33 | makubi | I think |
| 23:08.00 | xyan | judd: versions grub-pc |
| 23:08.01 | judd | grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98+20100804-2; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-2 |
| 23:08.09 | xyan | makubi: ^^ |
| 23:08.11 | makubi | xyan: I could select LILO but... I do not want that :D |
| 23:08.19 | makubi | lol |
| 23:08.50 | xyan | ? |
| 23:09.10 | makubi | "?" ? :) |
| 23:09.32 | xyan | lol? |
| 23:09.56 | makubi | I think it's not for lenny, isn't it? |
| 23:10.09 | makubi | Or do I miss something? |
| 23:10.21 | makubi | talking about grub2 |
| 23:10.25 | xyan | makubi: huh? you miss reading skill "lenny: etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1 |
| 23:10.37 | xyan | mah i miss pasting skill though |
| 23:10.41 | xyan | grub-pc is grub2 |
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| 23:11.03 | oxi | hi |
| 23:11.04 | makubi | oh =S I did not know, thanks... |
| 23:11.24 | makubi | xyan: so, chroot and install grub-pc? |
| 23:11.57 | xyan | makubi: yeah give that a chance. im not sure if 1.96 is sufficient enough but i hope so |
| 23:12.01 | dArK_IcE | wr |
| 23:12.20 | makubi | xyan: ok thanks, I'll try |
| 23:13.54 | oxi | is it easily possible to create a "transportable server" which connects to a vps through ssl vpn and has full control over the public ip, so that it can be used as dns, mail, .... server? |
| 23:13.57 | xyan | makubi: apt-cache show grub-pc tells "Support for modern partition maps such as GPT." at least |
| 23:14.38 | makubi | xyan: :) sounds good. Do I have to use /dev/md0 or /dev/sda,... with grub-install? |
| 23:14.40 | jhutchins_lt | makubi: Why not use lilo? Works great! |
| 23:15.01 | makubi | xyan: I found this: http://grub.enbug.org/MirroringRAID still in grub2? |
| 23:15.03 | xyan | makubi: should be raid aware unless its raid0 |
| 23:15.14 | makubi | xyan: yeah, it is raid0 |
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| 23:15.37 | makubi | jhutchins_lt: I think LILO is (in fact, was) dead... |
| 23:15.54 | makubi | xyan: no, well, it is raid1 o.0 |
| 23:16.29 | oxi | the "transportable server" is planted anywhere in a firewall protected and NATed corporate network and connects via ssl vpn to a vps in a cloud |
| 23:16.31 | makubi | sometimes I mix them :S |
| 23:16.38 | xyan | makubi: uhm then follow the ^ guide |
| 23:16.51 | makubi | xyan: ok |
| 23:16.51 | gnarface | makubi: not dead. it has risen! http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:17.12 | makubi | gnarface: well, that was, why I said "in fact, was" |
| 23:17.32 | makubi | but I think I'm more comfortable using grub (right now) |
| 23:17.49 | epsilon | "Because of the simpleness LILO has some advantages comparing with Grub and Grub2" AOL!111111111111111 |
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| 23:18.55 | gnarface | the rumors of lilo's death have been highly exaggerated |
| 23:19.41 | jhutchins_lt | makubi: No, it's not dead, and it handles raid arrays that grub0 can't, and better than grub2 does. |
| 23:19.43 | ultron | 8080 port is blocked on my college... so im working on my server (via ssh) and when i build my web app it is deploy on localhost:8080 so im not allow to see it from here what can i do??? |
| 23:19.48 | ultron | a proxy on iceweasel? |
| 23:20.02 | jhutchins_lt | It never went anywhere. |
| 23:20.17 | epsilon | and lilo's conf is human-readable, grub's not really |
| 23:20.26 | gnarface | all i can say for sure is i never had problems with my boot loader until every started switching the default from lilo to grub in distros. every time grub has failed me and i've failed to figure out how to massage it back into functionality lilo has succeeded in it's place. |
| 23:20.31 | makubi | xyan: grub-install /dev/sda tells me "grub-setup: erro: Core image is too big for embedding, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume." |
| 23:20.40 | jhutchins_lt | ultron: Follow your college's internet usage policy. |
| 23:21.05 | ultron | u.u |
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| 23:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | ultron: Noone says you can't follow it creatively - but be prepared for them not to see it that way. |
| 23:22.26 | xyan | makubi: uhhhhm ;-) lilo? |
| 23:22.28 | gnarface | ultron: if your ssh access isn't blocked but port 8080 is you can always just open a tunnel or a port forward or something |
| 23:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | ultron: Besides, if it's on localhost it doesn't go through the college net anyway, it's only visible on the machine. |
| 23:23.11 | ultron | jhutchins_lt: good point... |
| 23:23.18 | jhutchins_lt | ultron: ssh tunneling is probably a good answer and not blocked. |
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| 23:23.44 | gnarface | ssh tunnels are one of my very favorite things |
| 23:23.58 | makubi | xyan: well, I will try that, but I want to know, why this error occurs :-S |
| 23:23.58 | ultron | well 22 port is actually blocked |
| 23:24.18 | jhutchins_lt | ultron: Sounds like you need to read the policy VERY carefully. |
| 23:24.30 | xyan | makubi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526743 |
| 23:24.32 | ultron | but i have the server listening on 443 wich is open |
| 23:24.42 | ultron | jhutchins_lt: yes... i guess you're right u.u |
| 23:24.51 | makubi | xyan: yeah, reading that :D |
| 23:25.02 | makubi | xyan: Maybe I should use the latest grub-pc? |
| 23:25.20 | makubi | xyan: they say it's fixed in 1.96+20090504-1 |
| 23:25.39 | xyan | makubi: unlikely wihtout pulling everything from sid since grub2 depends on libc6 from there |
| 23:26.21 | makubi | xyan: :( well, so I go on with installation and try lilo |
| 23:26.28 | xyan | good luck! |
| 23:26.50 | makubi | thanks... maybe I should pull things from sid... could be better choice |
| 23:27.22 | xyan | makubi: well try lilo at first heres someone with success and a similiar problem it seems http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45051 |
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| 23:27.41 | nsadmin | if you're running lenny, pulling from sid will change your whole system, and also break things |
| 23:29.11 | nsadmin | for example if you pull a package whose contents were -compiled-, then it would be very likely you would pull in sid's libc |
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| 23:29.57 | makubi | xyan: well, thank you, I'll give it a try |
| 23:31.17 | nsadmin | having said that, as an experiment I did try building the sid grub2 source |
| 23:31.54 | makubi | nsadmin: well ok, so I should not try it, thank you |
| 23:32.06 | makubi | xyan: looks good (no errors reported) |
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| 23:32.37 | xyan | maix: gogo lilo hehe |
| 23:32.39 | nsadmin | took a long time to figure everything out, but I did and it seems to work |
| 23:32.43 | xyan | woops makubi* |
| 23:34.18 | makubi | xyan: yeah, system is ready :) just waiting for disks to sync |
| 23:34.37 | makubi | xyan: thank you for your help :-) |
| 23:34.54 | xyan | makubi: no problem |
| 23:35.19 | makubi | xyan: should I wait for disk-sync or can I go on install programs, etc.? |
| 23:35.26 | nsadmin | give the grub-pc from lenny a try, that did work for me |
| 23:36.04 | makubi | nsadmin: it did not |
| 23:36.12 | makubi | nsadmin: well, for me :-) |
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| 23:37.02 | phylogenesis | I want to receive a fax on my debian system, how can I do that? I don't need to install the HylaFax-server do I? I installed the client (apt-get install hylafax-client), but how do I use it? Is it already always running? Where does the fax go? |
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| 23:37.45 | gnarface | bonus points if you can do it with a bash script phylogenesis |
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| 23:38.51 | Xires | phylogenesis; http://www.aboutdebian.com/fax.htm |
| 23:39.27 | phylogenesis | Xires, I read that, but I don't want a server. |
| 23:39.41 | phylogenesis | I just want to receive faxes and pipe the image to a program. |
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| 23:39.50 | nsadmin | phylogenesis, you want to receive a fax via what hardware? |
| 23:40.21 | phylogenesis | I don't know exactly, but it's an internal fax modem (on a laptop). |
| 23:41.10 | Xires | phylogenesis; you could search http://www.tldp.org/ as well but I'm fairly certain that you'll need a fax server to work with it..the server provides services, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's permanently accessible nor public |
| 23:41.12 | nsadmin | ok, so you have to hang a getty on the modem to start with |
| 23:41.46 | nsadmin | mgetty specifically can receive faxes |
| 23:41.54 | phylogenesis | What does it do with them? |
| 23:42.05 | Xires | phylogenesis; listen to nsadmin |
| 23:42.06 | phylogenesis | nvm that.... |
| 23:42.10 | nsadmin | I don' |
| 23:42.16 | nsadmin | t remember |
| 23:42.23 | phylogenesis | Sorry, just got into conversation mode... I'll check out getty. |
| 23:42.25 | phylogenesis | Thanks. |
| 23:42.38 | nsadmin | it's been a long time since I played with serial ports |
| 23:43.10 | Xires | phylogenesis; http://mgetty.greenie.net/ |
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| 23:45.29 | nsadmin | what's this server thing about? |
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| 23:47.26 | phylogenesis | I want to receive a fax, read a barcode off of it. |
| 23:48.53 | nsadmin | it may be simpler to install the hylafax thing and get it to send the email to a specific address which your stuff autoresponds to |
| 23:50.06 | phylogenesis | Oh yeah, I didn't like the e-mail address thing either. I just want my computer to accept a fax from a phone line, pipe the resulting image to a program which looks for and parses a barcode, then sends that to my program. |
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| 23:51.51 | nsadmin | mgetty handles ONLY the first part |
| 23:55.02 | phylogenesis | What does mgetty do with the fax it receives? |
| 23:55.12 | nsadmin | you'll have to see |
| 23:55.14 | phylogenesis | I'm reading about it, but I haven't found that yet. |
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| 23:55.53 | nsadmin | if I recall correctly it puts the raw fax output into some file in some dir |
| 23:56.21 | phylogenesis | hmm, so hylafax would probably be better because I can get an image from it? |
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| 23:57.00 | nsadmin | that's my current thinking, but it's a guess |
| 23:57.09 | phylogenesis | I'll try Hylafax. Thanks for the info. |
| 23:57.40 | nsadmin | btw after you read the bar code, what then? |
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