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| 00:01.03 | phylogenesis | I put the fax image file into the folder named by the barcode. |
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| 00:05.22 | nsadmin | so, you'd need a name for the file that's unique in that dir |
| 00:05.44 | nsadmin | once it's in the dir, what then? |
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| 00:10.41 | phylogenesis | Nothing then |
| 00:10.57 | phylogenesis | I'm just automatically storing the faxes in a folder according to their barcodes. |
| 00:11.08 | phylogenesis | the filename is interesting, but shouldn't be too hard |
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| 00:11.32 | phylogenesis | I could just say "fax"+ date and time |
| 00:11.57 | phylogenesis | I, however, cannot setup my fax modem because apparently the modem isn't set up, but I'll be back later. |
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| 00:20.47 | phylogenesis | Can someone help me figure out what kind of modem I have and how to get it set up so that HylaFax - faxsetup doesn't tell me that it is "Unable to deduce DTE-DCE speed" when probing for best speed to talk to modem? |
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| 00:27.11 | hesco | phylogenesis: Howard (the faxguy) can be very helpful with that. He hangs out on the channels offering support for hylafax and iaxmodem. |
| 00:27.47 | hesco | Been a very long time since I configured a working hylafax server, but as I recall, there is some tool available which will probe a modem and give you what you need from it. |
| 00:27.56 | phylogenesis | On which channels? I tried #[#]hylafax to see but nobody is there. |
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| 00:28.19 | phylogenesis | Well, it said it was probing the modem but couldn't determine the speed. |
| 00:28.20 | hesco | He monitors an email list for iaxmodem. |
| 00:28.33 | phylogenesis | Which sounds to me like it's missing drivers or something. |
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| 00:29.06 | hesco | for fax quality, you want to err on the side of slower connections. I always started having issues when I tried to run the baud rate past 14400. |
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| 00:30.17 | phylogenesis | I just want to receive the fax before I worry about the quality of it. >.< |
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| 00:31.58 | hesco | Also, I had the best results with ancient external 9.6kbps hardware modems. Their serial cables and rj-11 wiring made a mess a mess of the rack, but they worked. I had three modems (including a spare) for my two serial ports and two phone lines. |
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| 00:34.45 | nsadmin | hardware modems are definitely the best; you need no drivers for the modem itself, but what you do need are serial ports |
| 00:36.01 | phylogenesis | I only have my one modem to work with. |
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| 00:36.30 | dvs | phylogenesis: and you don't know what it is? |
| 00:36.50 | nsadmin | try lspci -nn |
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| 00:37.54 | phylogenesis | I think I have a v.92 56K MDC modem, not that I have any idea what that is |
| 00:39.39 | nsadmin | try lspci -nn |
| 00:39.50 | phylogenesis | My serial port is right next to my ethernet one, so is it likely that my Broadcom (blech) BCM4401 ethernet controller is the modem? |
| 00:40.07 | nsadmin | if you find the modem in that list show the line |
| 00:40.50 | phylogenesis | I dont' see modem and lspci -nn | grep modem returns nothing. |
| 00:41.05 | nsadmin | try looking thru the listing |
| 00:41.32 | phylogenesis | I did |
| 00:41.36 | phylogenesis | I don't see any. |
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| 00:42.01 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 00:42.20 | phylogenesis | Any other names it might go by? |
| 00:42.34 | phylogenesis | like Express PCI ports or something |
| 00:42.35 | moldovean | phylogenesis, it's a pci modem ? |
| 00:42.40 | nsadmin | it could be part of your sound card |
| 00:43.04 | nsadmin | if it's a pci modem moldovean, it's in his laptop, that's all we know so far |
| 00:43.06 | phylogenesis | moldovean, I don't know. I'm trying to figure out what it is so that I can then get it working. |
| 00:43.30 | moldovean | hwinfo |
| 00:43.31 | nsadmin | what year was the laptop new? |
| 00:43.35 | phylogenesis | wouldn't it more likely be part of my ethernet controller card? (than the sound card) |
| 00:43.55 | phylogenesis | hmm, I can find out, but it's not mine so I'll have to make a call. I'll try hwinfo first. |
| 00:44.07 | nsadmin | when you connect to the phone and dial, it makes a _____ |
| 00:44.09 | phylogenesis | I get "command not found" |
| 00:44.32 | nsadmin | out of curiousity, what does uname -r return' |
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| 00:44.58 | phylogenesis | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:45.26 | phylogenesis | I'm lost. I don't connect. I did once to try to set up the modem with Hylafax but I have never connected with it. |
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| 00:45.58 | nsadmin | tried that today that is? |
| 00:46.11 | phylogenesis | Yeah, like 30 minutes ago |
| 00:46.25 | phylogenesis | That's when it said that it couldn't detect the speed when it was probing the modem |
| 00:46.33 | nsadmin | what year was your laptop new? |
| 00:46.37 | moldovean | phylogenesis, install hwinfo |
| 00:46.38 | phylogenesis | This isn't my computer, it's a friends, and I got it with no OS. I just installed Debian and I'm trying to get it to accept faxes. |
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| 00:47.16 | phylogenesis | nsadmin, do I really need to know that? (I can call but I'd prefer not to) |
| 00:47.29 | nsadmin | so if you have installed debian, you presently have administrative control over it |
| 00:47.44 | phylogenesis | Yes, I do. |
| 00:47.53 | nsadmin | and therefore, you could install hwinfo |
| 00:47.58 | phylogenesis | I just did. |
| 00:48.11 | nsadmin | oh ok good |
| 00:48.12 | phylogenesis | and I'm running it now |
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| 00:48.33 | moldovean | phylogenesis, read laptop name , model all info marked on it .. |
| 00:49.04 | moldovean | phylogenesis, install pastebinit too |
| 00:49.21 | phylogenesis | Goodness that's a lot of info. One sec |
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| 00:50.19 | phylogenesis | "pastebinit"? |
| 00:50.24 | phylogenesis | oh, paste bin it, okay |
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| 00:50.46 | phylogenesis | then what, pipe hwinfo to pastebinit? |
| 00:51.16 | moldovean | !pastebinit |
| 00:51.16 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728). |
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| 00:53.53 | phylogenesis | I just get either the usage (for "hwinfo | pastebinit") or IndexError: list index out of range (for "hwinfo | pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net") |
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| 00:56.25 | phylogenesis | >.> |
| 00:56.58 | phylogenesis | I tried to pipe it to a file, but it says the file doesn't exist. I then create the file, pipe it, and it says I don't have permissions... I'm the super user. wtf? |
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| 00:57.25 | phylogenesis | can't pipe to a file? |
| 00:57.30 | moldovean | hwinfo > hwinfo ; grep modem hwinfo |
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| 00:58.55 | rphillips | hwinfo | grep modem |
| 00:59.05 | phylogenesis | I just pasted hwinfo to http://pastebin.com/8Z2Zqxu1 |
| 00:59.11 | phylogenesis | I'll paste that next |
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| 01:01.16 | phylogenesis | http://pastebin.com/jgSy53PN |
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| 01:05.16 | lahwran | !test |
| 01:05.17 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 01:05.25 | lahwran | ah, this was the bot that did it |
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| 01:11.52 | moldovean | phylogenesis, i can't see any internal modem , but maybe i'm wrong |
| 01:13.13 | phylogenesis | moldovean, I don't either. I have a phone cable plug next to my ethernet port, so I figure I have a 56K modem or something. |
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| 01:14.04 | nsadmin | maybe there's nothing connected to the socket... maybe it's a hardware modem connected to a serial port |
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| 01:14.45 | stew | Dassu: yes, look at -k and -l options |
| 01:14.50 | phylogenesis | It's a laptop though, they wouldn't give you a socket that isn't connected,,, right? |
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| 01:15.08 | nsadmin | who knows |
| 01:15.23 | nsadmin | one case type, many different flavors |
| 01:15.37 | phylogenesis | nsadmin, Can I use a hardware modem connected to a serial port to receive faxes? |
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| 01:16.01 | nsadmin | if it's a fax modem |
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| 01:16.19 | nsadmin | you said before you were sure it was a fax modem |
| 01:16.26 | phylogenesis | I was |
| 01:16.38 | phylogenesis | I didn't think my friend would have given me this computer if it couldn't receive faxes |
| 01:16.40 | moldovean | phylogenesis, yeah , but maybe your fax may act as modem too , isn't it ? |
| 01:16.42 | JairunCaloth | what is a fax :-p |
| 01:16.49 | nsadmin | via what, previous experience? |
| 01:17.18 | phylogenesis | No 'cause he gave me this computer specifically to get this fax -> barcode -> folder thing setup on it. |
| 01:17.32 | phylogenesis | Not all standard modems can handle faxes? I thought faxes were just a way to send data through a phone connection? |
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| 01:17.44 | phylogenesis | That's what all the crazy painful noise is about if you answer a fax with a phone. |
| 01:18.16 | phylogenesis | I'll give him a call and come back later. This isn't making any sense. |
| 01:18.51 | JairunCaloth | I've never seen a modem that can't do fax... but I'm rather young and have used fax exactly once in my entire life. |
| 01:19.07 | nsadmin | how are you connected to the net right now? |
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| 01:24.04 | phylogenesis | Here I'm on a different computer. That computer is connected via the wireless card. |
| 01:24.21 | phylogenesis | Though I initially installed things through the ethernet port right next to the serial port. |
| 01:25.33 | dvs | phylogenesis: Does the serial port look like a phone jack? |
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| 01:25.55 | phylogenesis | yes |
| 01:26.04 | phylogenesis | My friend has used the modem |
| 01:26.44 | phylogenesis | I don't think the modem drivers are installed. |
| 01:27.07 | moldovean | phylogenesis, you get us the model and type ? |
| 01:27.23 | moldovean | didn't see that |
| 01:27.47 | moldovean | yet, as i asked before |
| 01:28.15 | phylogenesis | Dell Inspiron E1505 |
| 01:28.45 | JairunCaloth | just had a flashback to yesterday |
| 01:28.52 | moldovean | phylogenesis, and google say it has modem + fax incorporated ? |
| 01:30.03 | phylogenesis | I haven't found any very clear specs. Only Modem type v.92 56K MDC, softmodem, Intel High-Definition Audio interface |
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| 01:30.36 | moldovean | !softmodem |
| 01:30.36 | dpkg | A Winmodem (or software modem) is a modem with minimal hardware, relying on the host computer to perform most (or all) processing and operational tasks. For device support on Debian systems, ask me about <martian>, <sv92p> (Agere/Lucent); <slmodem> (SmartLink); <mwavem> (IBM Mwave); <pctel> (PCTel); <sm56> (Motorola); <hcf>, <hsf> (Conexant/Rockwell). See also <3com>, <winmodem-trick> http://www.linmodems.org/ |
| 01:31.34 | phylogenesis | ugh, that's what softmodem works... |
| 01:31.36 | phylogenesis | er... |
| 01:31.49 | phylogenesis | *ugh, that's what softmodem means* |
| 01:31.54 | JairunCaloth | I remember winmodems... they made me crazy when I tried to switch to linux the first time |
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| 01:32.18 | phylogenesis | !martian |
| 01:32.18 | dpkg | Martian is a driver for PCI controllerless modems (aka <Winmodem>) based on Agere 164x "Mars" DSPs, found within the ThinkPad A20, T20 and others. Martian is an alternative to the ltmodem driver, with the core moved to userspace. To install (i386 architecture only), ask me about <martian one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/martian_dev . http://martian.barrelsoutofbond.org/ |
| 01:33.05 | phylogenesis | !winmodem-trick |
| 01:33.05 | dpkg | Curious whether you have a <Winmodem> or not? su or login as root and type: 'grep 16550 /var/log/messages'. If you get something back, then you DON'T have a winmodem. The 16550 is the UART which controls certain things about the modem; winmodems don't have UARTs because all r/t work is done by the CPU. See also <what's my hardware>. |
| 01:34.02 | moldovean | phylogenesis, /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 01:34.03 | phylogenesis | I just tried that grep and got five lines back, which according to this means I don't have a winmodem. |
| 01:34.40 | phylogenesis | I know. Any more and I was going to do that. |
| 01:34.55 | phylogenesis | moldovean, but what of it telling me I don't have a winmodem? |
| 01:36.27 | moldovean | connect it to phone outlet |
| 01:36.50 | moldovean | only by phone cable .. |
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| 01:38.02 | phylogenesis | and then? |
| 01:38.04 | moldovean | aka Jack 11 |
| 01:38.16 | phylogenesis | I did that, I disconnected my phone machine and plugged that plug into the computer. |
| 01:38.25 | moldovean | pon /poff |
| 01:38.52 | phylogenesis | I'm going to retry the setup using ttyS1 instead of ttyS0 because I saw something about a 1: serial or something |
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| 01:39.24 | phylogenesis | one minute, I don't have access to the phone line right now :-/ |
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| 01:39.48 | moldovean | see you get connect/noise signals ATDT or so |
| 01:40.27 | JairunCaloth | conexant |
| 01:40.33 | JairunCaloth | http://douglascristiano.wordpress.com/dell-inspiron-e1505-with-debian-etchlenny/ |
| 01:41.28 | moldovean | phylogenesis, try pppconfig |
| 01:42.30 | phylogenesis | pon /poff tells me that /...//poff doesn't exist |
| 01:43.37 | moldovean | ppp is installed ? |
| 01:44.00 | phylogenesis | one sec, trying |
| 01:45.22 | phylogenesis | pppconfig wasn't installed, but I installed it |
| 01:45.24 | phylogenesis | now I'm running it |
| 01:46.46 | phylogenesis | What should I do with pppconfig? |
| 01:47.31 | moldovean | run it .. |
| 01:47.43 | moldovean | but see JairunCaloth link how to install the modem drivers |
| 01:48.08 | phylogenesis | I ran it, it just pops up asking what I want to do, create, change, or remove connections. |
| 01:48.11 | phylogenesis | okay |
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| 01:51.00 | moldovean | jpinx-eeepc, hey ;) |
| 01:52.19 | dvs | jpinx-eeepc: goodnight. ;-) |
| 01:53.05 | moldovean | jpinx-eeepc, what's you time now .. ? |
| 01:53.20 | moldovean | 03:53 am |
| 01:54.00 | moldovean | s/ you/ your |
| 01:54.42 | karlpinc | phylogenesis: I always liked wvdial. YMMV. |
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| 02:05.02 | phylogenesis | moldovean, sigh, I can't pass step 3 on that page (http://douglascristiano.wordpress.com/dell-inspiron-e1505-with-debian-etchlenny/). The second time I press next, it tells me "The generic package is not compatible with this system since kernel modules can't be compiled. There is also no pre-compiled package available for your kernel." |
| 02:06.33 | moldovean | phylogenesis, uname -r , says ? |
| 02:07.04 | phylogenesis | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 02:07.48 | phylogenesis | The site says under system information: Debian 5.0.5, kernel 2.6.26-2-686, kernel architecture x86 |
| 02:08.34 | moldovean | contact the author .. |
| 02:09.13 | phylogenesis | It says recommended action is "The following packages should be installed: alsa-driver-linuxant hsfmodem" "Please press 'Next' to install the packages". |
| 02:09.33 | phylogenesis | I tried to do aptitude install also-driver-linuxant hsfmodem, but it just says it can't find a package with that name. |
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| 02:10.36 | dvs | & welcome |
| 02:11.04 | dvs | ~wb |
| 02:11.05 | apt | It's great to be back! |
| 02:11.44 | dfdf | phylogenesis, maybe get it from here http://www.linuxant.com/alsa-driver/archive/alsa-driver-linuxant-1.0.23.0/alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.23.0_all.deb.zip |
| 02:12.15 | dfdf | phylogenesis, unzip that first then dpkg -i the deb package |
| 02:13.09 | dfdf | phylogenesis, maybe it has unmet dependecies and won't install but worth the try i guess |
| 02:13.23 | phylogenesis | In a link they gave me it said I should try installing gcc first so I'm doing that now. |
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| 02:13.57 | kmonk | hello room and people. |
| 02:13.58 | dvs | aptitude install build-essential |
| 02:14.44 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.19 | phylogenesis | I don't know what you mean, except what it said, "alsa-driver-linuxant hsfmodem" |
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| 02:16.22 | moldovean | , versions hsfmodem |
| 02:16.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'hsfmodem' was found. |
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| 02:23.33 | esaym153 | hello, how do I install grub to mbr on a new hard drive? running squeeze |
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| 02:23.58 | gnarface | esaym153: the man page for grub didn't tell you? |
| 02:24.08 | esaym153 | gnarface: didn't work... |
| 02:24.18 | esaym153 | said it worked...but didn't boot... |
| 02:25.28 | gnarface | esaym153: well if you already have another boot drive with a boot loader on the mbr then you have to use something like grub chainloading to go to the second boot drive, or just change the boot order of your drives in the bios. chances are it DID work |
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| 02:27.12 | fas3r | hello |
| 02:27.24 | fas3r | can i mount a raid in rescue mode ? |
| 02:27.46 | esaym153 | gnarface: I have 3 drives in raid5. I installed grub2 on all of them a year ago. I just had to replace the first drive which the bios boots from. I can boot from the others. I dd -if'ed the mbr from the old drive to this new one, but that didn't work. So I ran grub-install to the new one and that said it worked but didn't boot |
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| 02:28.02 | gnarface | fas3r: christ almighty i hope you didn't put your / partition on raid. that's just asking for trouble |
| 02:28.21 | fas3r | gnarface: yes.... : / |
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| 02:28.51 | fas3r | so i m f...k : / ? |
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| 02:29.15 | gnarface | sorry esaym153 and fas3r, you might not be fucked but i'm in over my head here. i've never had to recover from these types of logistical blunders |
| 02:29.21 | phylogenesis | dfdf, I tried what you said and it tells me error processing also-driver-linuxant |
| 02:29.42 | moldovean | fas3r, ask in in #grub |
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| 02:30.08 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 02:30.08 | gnarface | esaym153: ^^^^^ |
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| 02:30.31 | fas3r | moldovean: the problem is its on a dedicated server i dont have physical access to the server ... : / |
| 02:30.32 | gnarface | for future reference though - probably a bad idea to put / on a raid drive. |
| 02:30.59 | moldovean | fas3r, still ask there |
| 02:31.03 | fas3r | oki |
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| 02:31.07 | fas3r | thank :D |
| 02:31.28 | plt2 | debian does have gmake in apptitude. |
| 02:34.26 | dkr | gnarface: uhm, why wouldn't you want redundancy for your /? |
| 02:34.39 | plt2 | me? |
| 02:34.52 | plt2 | sorry |
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| 02:38.55 | ghost3po | anyone know how to fix the input on microsoft LX3000 usb headset for debian lxde amd64? when i access vm's it shows my input at 100% on microphone and very distorted |
| 02:39.03 | plt2 | Question what is the difference of make and gmake why do the c programmer use the standard just make when not all the linux distribution do not support gmake? |
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| 02:40.47 | moldovean | plt2, > #C |
| 02:41.16 | plt2 | ./bin/cp: cannot stat `./*.so': No such file or directory? |
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| 02:41.37 | Laidback_01 | have a question: So, there are lots of repositories out there for the updates, pkgs, etc for debian. I use torrent to download the cd, yet when I do updates, apt (or when I use dselect) wil make direct connections to server that I specifiy in the config files. |
| 02:41.54 | Laidback_01 | Has a torrent style download system ever been tried for the debian updates system? |
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| 02:42.30 | Laidback_01 | I mean... with all those servers already setup, wouldn't that work, or jigdo? something to pull off many servers at once, whilst keeping security in mind. |
| 02:42.46 | krt | laidback: most of hte packages are too small to bother with for torrents, I suspect |
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| 02:42.52 | fas3r | DAMN |
| 02:42.58 | fas3r | i success :D |
| 02:43.00 | Laidback_01 | I'm just curious cause I'm downloading some updates right now for a machine, and it's taking forever on the samba stuff. |
| 02:43.06 | fas3r | i boot in rescue mode |
| 02:43.10 | moldovean | !win fas3r |
| 02:43.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, fas3r! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:43.30 | fas3r | and i mount the partition md0 :D |
| 02:43.39 | fas3r | qfter thqt i chrooted it |
| 02:43.44 | fas3r | qnd its work :D |
| 02:43.59 | fas3r | sorry keyboard EN... |
| 02:44.04 | fas3r | mouahahahhha :D |
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| 02:47.30 | moldovean | plt2, use /bin/cp , why "./bin/cp" ? |
| 02:48.45 | jpinx-eeepc | moldovean: 09:46 |
| 02:50.51 | moldovean | jpinx-eeepc, morning ;) |
| 02:51.42 | plt2 | c is giving me a headacke |
| 02:52.30 | moldovean | plt2, take a brake , 1-2 years .. |
| 02:52.54 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 02:53.02 | plt2 | Thanks |
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| 02:54.23 | plt2 | I want to say thank you to everyone that help me here last night. |
| 02:54.53 | ghost3po | anyone wanna take a shot at my usb headset issue? |
| 02:55.31 | phylogenesis | Can I downgrade my Debian version a tad? |
| 02:55.43 | phylogenesis | (In the hopes that a pre-compiled package will be available for that version.) |
| 02:55.46 | gnarface | herecy! |
| 02:56.01 | JairunCaloth | phylogenesis: I doubt that's really possible |
| 02:56.17 | gnarface | i think i meant heresy! |
| 02:56.30 | phylogenesis | I agree, but I'm out of ideas. |
| 02:56.48 | phylogenesis | I must have tried six different things and I can't get this blasted thing to use my modem! |
| 02:56.49 | gnarface | phylogenesis: back up your drive with tar then do a fresh lenny install |
| 02:57.00 | phylogenesis | gnarface, I just did :-/ |
| 02:57.11 | ghost3po | usb headset lx3000 not working correctly and trying to figure out how to get it to work. |
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| 02:57.28 | phylogenesis | The only things I've done so far is install Debian, Gnome, KDE, and some other utilities. It's only had an operating system as of this afternoon. |
| 02:57.28 | gnarface | phylogenesis: maybe you need to read up on AT commands and send a string of gibberish to it to make it work? |
| 02:58.02 | phylogenesis | gnarface, is that serious, 'cause I don't get it, but I can read up on AT. |
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| 02:58.14 | phylogenesis | The problem is getting the drivers for the modem, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 03:00.03 | gnarface | phylogenesis: i'm not really good with modems, but i've seen people do incredible things with what i though was a non-working modem in linux using only AT commands and some ppp kung-fu |
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| 03:00.53 | gnarface | phylogenesis: i'm also fairly certain that unless your time is worth less than $0.60 US per hour there's a cheaper way to accomplish whatever you are trying to accomplish just by buying something new |
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| 03:01.19 | phylogenesis | hmmm |
| 03:01.36 | gnarface | granted what i saw accomplished was solely for dial-out |
| 03:01.42 | gnarface | never tried fax stuff |
| 03:02.19 | phylogenesis | gnarface, I'm trying to get this done by the 25th. I can try getting my friend to swap this computer for another, but that would cost at least a couple days. Do you still think that'd be worth it? |
| 03:02.48 | phylogenesis | Is there nothing like ndiswrapper that I can use? |
| 03:03.00 | gnarface | i can't say really - this was all with console utilities and bash scripts - there wasn't a gui to be found that would just "work" out of the box for what we needed. modems are ghetto |
| 03:03.03 | phylogenesis | A way to compile the driver for this kernel version myself? |
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| 03:03.27 | phylogenesis | I don't need GUIs |
| 03:03.44 | gnarface | phylogenesis: if you know what driver it needs and it's not in the stock kernel you can try module-assistant |
| 03:04.07 | gnarface | if this is a serial modem though i think it's exempt from drivers... i might be wrong about that |
| 03:04.41 | phylogenesis | It's a Conexant v.92 Modem |
| 03:04.54 | phylogenesis | Possibly part of the sound card, but I don't know about that. |
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| 03:05.07 | karlpinc | gnarface: You're right. At least exempt from device specific drivers. All the uarts are the same. |
| 03:05.44 | karlpinc | gnarface: Winmodems don't count. :) |
| 03:06.06 | phylogenesis | Can someone help me get HylaFax set up? (I tried on my own but couldn't get it to work/find the modem I think.) |
| 03:06.06 | gnarface | phylogenesis: is it in a slot, or is it plugged into a serial or parallel port? |
| 03:06.13 | krt | i disagree, hence why there are specific tweaks for the uart drivers depending on the uarts that one has in the box |
| 03:06.18 | JairunCaloth | I'm almost willing to put money on the fact that it's not a serial modem |
| 03:06.42 | phylogenesis | It's in a laptop, I plug the phone line into a phone jack right next to an ethernet port. |
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| 03:06.52 | gnarface | oh |
| 03:06.55 | karlpinc | krt: I thought there was only a 16550 and a, uh, 8550. |
| 03:07.00 | krt | what's lspci say? |
| 03:07.02 | krt | karl: no |
| 03:07.06 | gnarface | gave up on modems. |
| 03:07.07 | krt | 16450, etc. |
| 03:07.16 | karlpinc | ! |
| 03:07.17 | phylogenesis | lspci doesn't list a modem |
| 03:07.20 | gnarface | emails webcam snapshots instead of faxing |
| 03:07.25 | krt | 16550 is fancy compared to older uarts |
| 03:07.43 | krt | can you pastebin your lspci -v output? |
| 03:07.52 | gnarface | wishes he had a scanner that worked in linux |
| 03:07.56 | krt | or |
| 03:07.57 | krt | http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/ |
| 03:07.59 | krt | look for it there |
| 03:08.00 | phylogenesis | krt, doing that |
| 03:08.05 | krt | cool |
| 03:08.08 | krt | i wanna see it anyways :-) |
| 03:08.08 | phylogenesis | should I paste it? |
| 03:08.11 | phylogenesis | ok |
| 03:08.12 | krt | not here |
| 03:08.20 | phylogenesis | *pastebin it* |
| 03:08.26 | krt | pastebin, lspci output is undecipherable to most folks and not worth looking at in bulk on irc anyways |
| 03:08.36 | krt | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 03:09.42 | karlpinc | gnarface: As it turns out, scanners sorta suck and the right way is a camera mounted over a bed. See: http://www.diybookscanner.org/ |
| 03:10.19 | phylogenesis | How do I send the output of it to a file? I just tried lspci -v output > /home/phylogenesis/output.txt but the file remains empty |
| 03:10.46 | krt | lspci -v > ~/lspci-v_output.txt |
| 03:11.20 | phylogenesis | oh lol, duh, I read what you said wrong... sorry |
| 03:11.22 | krt | it's empty because "lspci -v output" doesn't do much than spit up the generic-help |
| 03:11.23 | phylogenesis | working on it |
| 03:11.28 | karlpinc | gnarface: (Sort of a variation on what you're already doing.) |
| 03:12.07 | phylogenesis | http://pastebin.com/HVKiS7Lm |
| 03:12.13 | krt | i've used my camera phone + email as a modern day fax machine |
| 03:14.15 | krt | i dont see a modem on your pci bus |
| 03:14.24 | krt | probably is a softmodem somehow |
| 03:14.30 | krt | what model of laptop? |
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| 03:17.09 | phylogenesis | Dell Inspiron e1505 |
| 03:17.32 | gnarface | perspirons! |
| 03:18.30 | krt | ah, it's help to know lspci -vn, sorry |
| 03:18.41 | krt | that would definitely give something that can be compared against the linuxant list |
| 03:18.49 | JairunCaloth | Herm, I'm trying to play with gnome-shell. Do I need to install gnome first? |
| 03:19.05 | JairunCaloth | I installed gnome-shell and gnome3-session but it dosen't really work |
| 03:20.00 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: you should use rxvt-unicode. it is the way, the truth, and the light. it is also window-manager agnostic |
| 03:20.35 | krt | one of those intel devices could be hte modem, i tried to figure that out but it's tricky without the pci-ids |
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| 03:21.12 | phylogenesis | lspci -vn gives me this: http://pastebin.com/fidK2ags |
| 03:21.21 | JairunCaloth | gnarface: I think you missunderstand gnome-shell isn't a terminal. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell |
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| 03:22.35 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: clearly i misunderstand more than one thing, primarily: why the hell would you want or expect to be able to use that without gnome??! |
| 03:23.58 | phylogenesis | krt, I think this indicates that it's part of the sound card: http://douglascristiano.wordpress.com/dell-inspiron-e1505-with-debian-etchlenny/ |
| 03:24.12 | JairunCaloth | I figured aptitude would pull down the correct packages. I'm not sure if the 'gnome' package is the appropriate one |
| 03:24.14 | phylogenesis | A little less than halfway down the page is "Modem conexant v.92" |
| 03:24.28 | JairunCaloth | pretty sure we decided that thing was a Conexant v.92 modem about two hours ago |
| 03:24.47 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: the "gnome" metapackage is the one that grabs all the basic gnome requirements. don't install it unless you want to run gnome |
| 03:24.51 | phylogenesis | Isn't that part of the sound card? |
| 03:25.14 | gnarface | phylogenesis: maybe your sound card is part of the modem. spooky! |
| 03:25.21 | phylogenesis | I know Conexant to be sound cards and from what I can tell there is no modem card |
| 03:25.39 | phylogenesis | lspci and hwinfo don't list one anyway |
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| 03:26.08 | spersaud | is there a cd ripper that will rip song name to id3v2 + other info ? |
| 03:26.19 | JairunCaloth | gnarface: right. I understand that. The question is, is that package the correct version of gnome... |
| 03:26.23 | krt | phylo: the HDA is suppsoedly one |
| 03:26.30 | krt | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 03:26.36 | JairunCaloth | or I should say, would it install the correct version of gnome |
| 03:26.43 | phylogenesis | krt, That's what I think. |
| 03:26.52 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: there's never a correct version of gnome. gnome always sucks. alternately, it is always the correct version of gnome |
| 03:27.03 | krt | but that doesnt show up on the linuxant list |
| 03:27.05 | krt | so I dunno |
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| 03:27.32 | phylogenesis | krt, can I recompile it for my kernel version? |
| 03:27.56 | krt | beats me |
| 03:27.56 | phylogenesis | *the drivers they have* |
| 03:27.59 | JairunCaloth | gnarface: Not a huge fan of gnome either. But I still like to play with new shiny stuff sometimes :-p |
| 03:28.12 | krt | i've not touched a modem in years and I intend to keep it that way :-) |
| 03:28.17 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: it's always the correct version of gnome as long as you ran apt-get update (or aptitude update) before installing it |
| 03:28.23 | phylogenesis | I would love to >.< |
| 03:28.54 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: by the way if you want to cut yourself, why don't you be a real man and install e17? |
| 03:29.03 | JairunCaloth | gnarface: By 'correct' I mean the version of gnome that will work with gnome-shell |
| 03:29.22 | JairunCaloth | gnarface: I did that once... It stayed on my machine for about 15 min :-p |
| 03:30.00 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: it will be the latest gnome version available in your current debian branch. if you need a specific version you will probably have to install it and all dependencies by source, go help you |
| 03:30.04 | gnarface | s/go/god |
| 03:30.31 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: did you install gnome-shell with apt-get or aptitude? or did you compile it from source? |
| 03:30.44 | JairunCaloth | aptitude |
| 03:30.51 | gnarface | then you will be fine |
| 03:30.55 | gnarface | you're worrying about nothing |
| 03:31.02 | gnarface | just make sure you run aptitude update first |
| 03:31.05 | JairunCaloth | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/DistributionPackages |
| 03:31.41 | JairunCaloth | I guess that article assumes you are running gnome |
| 03:31.48 | gnarface | duh |
| 03:32.05 | phylogenesis | o.o hmm... I just tried this installer again (http://douglascristiano.wordpress.com/dell-inspiron-e1505-with-debian-etchlenny/) and when it failed to open the browser window it continued in the terminal, I said to install the suggested package and it says it's already up to date. |
| 03:32.25 | phylogenesis | ALSA driver Installer version 1.0.3, Copyright (c) 2004-2008 Linuxant inc. |
| 03:32.29 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: fyi, i wouldn't recommend it by the way. running gnome that is. it's known to cause testicle cancer in lab rats |
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| 03:32.56 | JairunCaloth | gnarface: I just wanna play with it. I doubt I'll keep it very long. |
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| 03:33.09 | JairunCaloth | I'm too much of an xfce junkie |
| 03:33.53 | gnarface | JairunCaloth: you know someone forked the old enlightenment 0.16 code and maintained it right? the package e16 contains this. i *think* that eesh has the e16 equivalent functionality you're trying to tap into in gnome.... just an FYI |
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| 03:34.34 | JairunCaloth | I didn't know e16 was still being maintained. I thought it was dead and crusty :-p |
| 03:34.50 | gnarface | enlightenment 0.16 is dead and crusty, long-live e16! |
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| 03:35.00 | gnarface | (at least until e17 stops fucking segfaulting randomly) |
| 03:35.19 | JairunCaloth | I played with e16 several years back wehn I was new to linux. I enjoyed it. |
| 03:35.47 | gnarface | e16 is completely reverse-compatible with all the old enlightenment 0.16 themes |
| 03:36.00 | gnarface | the internals are significantly cleaned up though |
| 03:36.00 | mmnicolas | im still trying to figure an easy way to use rsync output with dialog's progress bar, it is very difficult to do research when a program as such a common name |
| 03:36.06 | mmnicolas | even whiptail |
| 03:36.32 | JairunCaloth | gnarface: I might have to give it a go again. |
| 03:36.42 | gnarface | mmnicolas: just don't use the -v parameter? |
| 03:36.50 | krt | does rasterman still do enlightenment? |
| 03:37.01 | JairunCaloth | I really enjoyed the flexability |
| 03:37.11 | gnarface | krt: e17 i think. e16 is someone else's gig now |
| 03:37.20 | krt | cool |
| 03:37.34 | krt | i was ircing with him when he developed enlightenment |
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| 03:37.40 | gnarface | e17 works really well - fast, pretty, ... until it segfaults |
| 03:37.43 | krt | i was one of the first folks in the world to run it :-) |
| 03:38.04 | krt | circa 95 or so |
| 03:38.05 | pmyshkin | the dash manpage says that fc is a builtin command, but when I try to run it dash tells me the command is not found |
| 03:38.08 | pmyshkin | what gives? |
| 03:38.35 | krt | sucky manpage or borked code |
| 03:38.38 | krt | lucky you, you found it |
| 03:38.40 | JairunCaloth | krt: I didn't even own a computer then :-p |
| 03:38.40 | mmnicolas | gnarface: wont give any output without -v |
| 03:38.50 | gnarface | mmnicolas: isn't that what you wanted? |
| 03:39.28 | mmnicolas | gnarface: not really dialog/whiptail --progressbar requires a number |
| 03:40.02 | gnarface | mmnicolas: i guess i was confused about what you were trying to do, sorry |
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| 03:40.19 | gonzolively | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.23 | mmnicolas | in a perfect world rsync would only output the % complete |
| 03:41.30 | gnarface | mmnicolas: maybe you need to practice up on your sed-fu: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html |
| 03:42.30 | mmnicolas | gnarface: yea i know, i almost got it |
| 03:42.56 | mmnicolas | sed 's/)$//;s%.*=\([[:digit:]]\{1,\}\)/\([[:digit:]]\{1,\}\)%\1 \2%g' |
| 03:43.12 | gnarface | my eyes!!! |
| 03:43.41 | mmnicolas | this outputs the number of completed files and the total of files |
| 03:43.58 | mmnicolas | now i need to convert this to % |
| 03:44.05 | pmyshkin | why does sed use the [[:characterclass:]] syntax? |
| 03:44.14 | pmyshkin | it's so ugly |
| 03:44.19 | gnarface | pmyshkin: cause it's not pcre - it's something horrible. |
| 03:44.25 | mmnicolas | hehe |
| 03:45.05 | gnarface | gonzolively: newer ntfs drivers maybe? |
| 03:45.13 | gnarface | is ntfs safe to write to in any version of linux yet? |
| 03:45.30 | JairunCaloth | wow... gnomeshell fells like OSX. Nothing makes a damn bit of sense. |
| 03:46.01 | pmyshkin | gnarface it's more like gnu screwed it up |
| 03:46.02 | gnarface | last time i even tried to mount an ntfs drive read-write it was considered suicidal |
| 03:46.18 | simonrvn | things have changed |
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| 03:47.04 | mmnicolas | i do it often |
| 03:47.15 | gnarface | since which kernel version? |
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| 03:47.26 | mmnicolas | pretty much since the ntpasswd tool |
| 03:48.12 | gnarface | hmm |
| 03:48.16 | gnarface | so it's solid in lenny even now? |
| 03:48.24 | mmnicolas | damn right |
| 03:48.37 | gnarface | fascinating |
| 03:48.42 | mmnicolas | more reliable than windows itself |
| 03:48.44 | gnarface | is living in the past |
| 03:48.56 | mmnicolas | (for writing on ntfs) |
| 03:49.12 | JairunCaloth | NTFS working well is ancient history :-p |
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| 03:53.10 | phylogenesis | krt, Hey, I think I got the drivers installed. I had missed it saying to install linux headers so I did, then I reran the install. Working on the next steps, which so far don't seem right, but I'm still working on it. |
| 03:53.28 | phylogenesis | (I had installed gcc and make was already installed, but missed the headers) |
| 03:54.28 | phylogenesis | What Linux versions run on top of Debian? |
| 03:54.39 | phylogenesis | and is it Debian with a short e or long e sound? |
| 03:55.12 | gnarface | hmm the bot can answer the first one |
| 03:55.16 | gnarface | !kernels |
| 03:55.18 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100820, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.36-rc1-git2, mainline 2.6: 2.6.36-rc1, stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.2 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.4 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.7 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.19 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.14 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.51 |
| 03:55.19 | ghoo | on top of debian? |
| 03:55.27 | ghoo | ohh |
| 03:55.40 | gnarface | hmm. i don't think i did that right |
| 03:55.40 | phylogenesis | I read that Ubuntu was a form of Debian |
| 03:55.54 | ghoo | ubuntu is BASED upon Debian |
| 03:55.56 | moldovean | ,kernels |
| 03:55.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:56.01 | ghoo | so is centos and a slew of over oses |
| 03:56.10 | ghoo | linux = the kernel |
| 03:56.19 | ghoo | the os is everything else |
| 03:56.23 | phylogenesis | What about Fedora, Red Hat, and OpenSUSE? |
| 03:56.28 | phylogenesis | are they based on Debian? |
| 03:56.29 | gnarface | i've never had a problem compiling my own source kernel of any current version for debian - but the pre compiled versions are well documented as you can see ^^^^^ |
| 03:56.35 | ghoo | Fedora and Redhat use YUM |
| 03:56.40 | ghoo | same with suse |
| 03:56.43 | ghoo | and no |
| 03:56.51 | phylogenesis | I think I broke my install >.< |
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| 03:56.56 | gnarface | suse is based on redhat |
| 03:56.58 | gnarface | so is fedora |
| 03:57.08 | gnarface | so is centos |
| 03:57.13 | gnarface | everything good is based on debian |
| 03:57.14 | phylogenesis | The computer doesn't start up anymore... |
| 03:57.17 | ghoo | centos is debian based, i thought |
| 03:57.20 | gnarface | except for ubuntu |
| 03:57.22 | ghoo | it's been years since i used it |
| 03:57.28 | gnarface | no centos is definitely redhat |
| 03:57.29 | kmonk | gnarface: ehehe fanboy ;) |
| 03:57.34 | mmnicolas | ghoo: centos uses rpms |
| 03:57.46 | ghoo | redhat is the server distro, fedora the workstation |
| 03:57.51 | iluminator101 | i got this error could not update ICE Authority, error status 256 |
| 03:57.57 | ghoo | yeah... getting my distros confused |
| 03:58.17 | iluminator101 | i did chown -R and was able to get back into gnome...but..... |
| 03:58.21 | ghoo | redhat is closed source, and costs money to be licensed, didn't use to be like that |
| 03:58.29 | ghoo | 10 years ago it was open source |
| 03:58.30 | gnarface | centos is just fedora for people who don't hate redhat enough yet to sack up and run debian |
| 03:58.31 | ghoo | well |
| 03:58.38 | ghoo | closed source based upon open source |
| 03:58.53 | ghoo | debian isn't the be all end all |
| 03:58.54 | iluminator101 | my encrypted private /home is not mounted how do i mount it |
| 03:58.55 | mmnicolas | thats not really what it is |
| 03:58.57 | phylogenesis | crap. My system boots normally until it reaches "Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd", then it just sits there flashing the caret until I get annoyed and restart it or turn it off...\ |
| 03:59.01 | ghoo | each os has a purpose |
| 03:59.13 | ghoo | if you jock one too long, you become blind to that, imo |
| 03:59.20 | marshallmc | computers are tools |
| 03:59.24 | ghoo | yep |
| 03:59.27 | gnarface | phylogenesis: just out of absurd curiosity - did you try hitting any key before hitting the reboot button? |
| 03:59.50 | ghoo | i just spent about $350 building a new computer that is destined to be cursed with WinXP |
| 03:59.55 | ghoo | not because i like XP |
| 03:59.57 | ghoo | it blows |
| 04:00.02 | ghoo | but because i NEED XP |
| 04:00.12 | ghoo | for a few stupid programs i'm running |
| 04:00.13 | moldovean | !enter |
| 04:00.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 04:00.14 | gnarface | ghoo: yea every OS has it's purpose. centos, and fedora's purpose: pissing me off |
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| 04:00.20 | ghoo | hahaha |
| 04:00.23 | marshallmc | we live in a world dominated by illegitimate authority |
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| 04:00.26 | ghoo | sounds like ubuntu lately |
| 04:00.29 | ghoo | for me |
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| 04:00.48 | ghoo | os[Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 x86_64] distro[Debian 5.0.4] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.40GHz] mem[Physical: 3.9GB, 74.4% free] disk[Total: 1.0TB, 42.2% free] video[10de:0641] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia] |
| 04:00.50 | phylogenesis | gnarface, I don't know what you mean. Hit it when? |
| 04:00.56 | ghoo | as you can see, what i prefer :P |
| 04:01.01 | moldovean | ghoo, see !enter |
| 04:01.20 | phylogenesis | After it said everything was done, I tried the next step, got an error, which it said I would, then closed down Firefox and issued the command reboot. |
| 04:01.32 | gnarface | phylogenesis: you said the cursor just sat there flashing at you after cups, then you had to reboot it? did you by chance try hitting any keys on the keyboard before you hit your reboot button? |
| 04:02.00 | iluminator101 | How do i mount encrypted /home? |
| 04:02.17 | phylogenesis | Oh, yeah I did. I can type and erase it and such, but hitting Enter even after entering a string doesn't do anything. |
| 04:02.31 | ghoo | moldovean: i don't need your help, whiteknight for someone else |
| 04:03.02 | kmonk | ghoo: you might want to keep non debian related chatter to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:03.28 | ghoo | will you off topic politically correct nazis f off |
| 04:03.30 | ghoo | seriously |
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| 04:04.02 | ghoo | i'm not here to rock the boat, but i'm hardly off topic |
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| 04:04.32 | ghoo | we're talking the benefits of the debian os, so, go shrill to someone who gives a f*** |
| 04:04.38 | rgr | fine but pleaqse stop flooding. Make your sentences longer. Its a pain to see relevant info scrolling off to be replaced by hot air. |
| 04:04.44 | gnarface | hits the deck |
| 04:04.57 | ghoo | boof**kinhoo |
| 04:05.10 | ghoo | rgr: i need you telling me how to type like a need a cancerous tumor |
| 04:05.17 | rgr | thats better |
| 04:05.18 | ghoo | god, get a life |
| 04:05.27 | ghoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.28 | marshallmc | children please |
| 04:05.37 | ghoo | children? |
| 04:05.44 | ghoo | i'm 34 years old, i'm hardly a child |
| 04:05.50 | ghoo | and i've been using debian for 10+ years |
| 04:06.00 | rgr | there are standards. topciality variation I dontr mind. bad language I can cope with. but pig ignorant disrespect for format is the sign of a complete wanker. ie you. |
| 04:06.14 | kmonk | ghoo: why does this channel exist and why are you here? just consider it for a moment please... |
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| 04:06.34 | ghoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.38 | moldovean | !ops ghoo |
| 04:06.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: moldovean complains about: ghoo |
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| 04:06.41 | Dewi | !ops ghoo |
| 04:06.43 | phylogenesis | How do I recover my installation? |
| 04:06.52 | ghoo | kmonk: diaf, i can't stand white knight idiots like yourself |
| 04:06.58 | ghoo | !ops Dewi |
| 04:06.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ghoo complains about: Dewi |
| 04:07.10 | rgr | just use "/ignore". No need to go crying to ops. |
| 04:07.22 | marshallmc | please do not feed the trolls |
| 04:07.35 | ghoo | what am i doing wrong? i'm casually chatting in here, and you people are calling me a troll and trying to get me banned? |
| 04:07.40 | ghoo | don't you have a life? |
| 04:07.52 | rgr | please dont lecture on who others can talk to. Thank you. |
| 04:07.54 | Dewi | ghoo: it's not a casual chat channel, as you've been told. Stop arguing |
| 04:08.03 | ghoo | i'm ignoring anyone i have a problem with |
| 04:08.05 | ghoo | arguing? |
| 04:08.10 | rgr | Anyway, anyone here usin binc on squeeze? |
| 04:08.13 | ghoo | i'm ignoring people, instead of arguing |
| 04:08.19 | marshallmc | you are lashing out |
| 04:08.26 | Dewi | ghoo: ignoring doesn't generate this much text on my screen |
| 04:08.27 | ghoo | god, you people are a bunch of PC fags |
| 04:08.31 | rgr | I am intersted in if you managed to get nested maildir working with it. |
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| 04:08.43 | ghoo | dewi: grow a backbone |
| 04:08.48 | marshallmc | histrionic personality disorder |
| 04:08.55 | phylogenesis | ghoo, the issue is simply in keeping the channel focused on it's topic |
| 04:08.57 | marshallmc | go take your meds |
| 04:09.03 | ghoo | hahah |
| 04:09.14 | rgr | marshallmc: yoiu are getting as bad as him. Say your piece and get back on topic and stop "feeding the trolls", Or IGNORE HIM, |
| 04:09.16 | ghoo | !ops marshallmc is trolling me, i suspect he's GNAA |
| 04:09.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ghoo complains about: marshallmc is trolling me, i suspect he's GNAA |
| 04:09.28 | ghoo | no, you go take your fuckin meds |
| 04:09.35 | ghoo | fuckin asshole |
| 04:09.51 | rgr | dpkg:binc |
| 04:09.51 | dpkg | rgr: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:10.05 | JairunCaloth | http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/3/21/633731947708888460-ArguingontheInternet.jpg |
| 04:10.10 | ghoo | old |
| 04:10.24 | ghoo | see, this is why this channel gets messed with |
| 04:10.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 04:10.34 | ghoo | you all have clefted assholes |
| 04:10.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@2001 470:e1d0:666:dead:beef:face:666] by dondelelcaro |
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| 04:11.05 | gnarface | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 04:11.36 | rgr | stares in disbelief |
| 04:12.01 | JairunCaloth | now that the newbies have been scared off :-p |
| 04:12.07 | vect | <gnarface> mmm, dondelcaro, your penis tastes sooooooo good in my mouth |
| 04:12.12 | vect | why are you messaging me this? |
| 04:12.20 | gnarface | lol |
| 04:12.21 | vect | fags |
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| 04:13.56 | phylogenesis | Can I save a pooched install? |
| 04:14.06 | JairunCaloth | phylogenesis: what's wrong with it? |
| 04:14.22 | JairunCaloth | and you also have to decide if it's really worth your time. |
| 04:14.33 | phylogenesis | It is. |
| 04:14.39 | phylogenesis | It freezes when booting up. |
| 04:15.12 | JairunCaloth | It might take you hours to figure out and get working, and possibly longer to iron out residual issues. If there's nothing special about it, sometimes It's easier to reinstall. |
| 04:15.32 | JairunCaloth | what changed before it quit working? |
| 04:15.33 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: at what point? |
| 04:16.09 | phylogenesis | My system boots normally until it reaches "Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd", then it just sits there flashing the caret |
| 04:16.35 | phylogenesis | JairunCaloth, I compiled and installed the modem driver. |
| 04:16.50 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: does the numlock still cycle? |
| 04:16.51 | krt | makes me wonder if it's not touching something lpt that's wangin' |
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| 04:17.17 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: if sysreq or numlock still flips on and off, then the system hasn't huyng |
| 04:17.20 | dondelelcaro | s/uy/u/ |
| 04:17.33 | phylogenesis | I can type |
| 04:17.39 | phylogenesis | and delete it and such |
| 04:17.42 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: then the machine hasn't hung |
| 04:17.43 | phylogenesis | pressing enter scrolls everything up |
| 04:17.45 | gnarface | phylogenesis: you try disabling cups? |
| 04:17.49 | phylogenesis | but it just sits there |
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| 04:17.51 | kmonk | phylogenesis: does ctrl+c continue the boot process? |
| 04:17.52 | phylogenesis | How can I do that? |
| 04:17.57 | phylogenesis | no, I tried that |
| 04:18.06 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: then boot into single user mode, disable cups, and boot |
| 04:18.08 | JairunCaloth | can you boot into single user mode? |
| 04:18.21 | JairunCaloth | is slow :-p |
| 04:18.33 | kmonk | phylogenesis: rcconf will let you disable cups, assuming it's installed |
| 04:18.40 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: then once you've got a shell, start cups under strace, and see what it's doing |
| 04:18.51 | kmonk | phylogenesis: otherwise it may be easier to purge it |
| 04:19.09 | phylogenesis | I tried booting into single user mode, but it stops at the same point. |
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| 04:20.07 | dondelelcaro | kmonk: nah; just echo exit 0 >> /etc/default/cups or rm /etc/rc2.d/S*cups; |
| 04:20.15 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: how did you boot into single user mode? |
| 04:20.32 | phylogenesis | The option comes up very early on |
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| 04:21.16 | phylogenesis | in GRUB |
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| 04:21.24 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: at grub time, right? where does it hang if you do that? |
| 04:21.29 | asd-askd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.59 | phylogenesis | It hangs at the same spot |
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| 04:22.20 | phylogenesis | Oh, in single-user mode it first stops and asks me to give the root password for maintenance |
| 04:22.44 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: right... so give the root password for maintenance |
| 04:22.47 | phylogenesis | it stops at: "Setting up ALSA...warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1573: No soundcards found...' ...done. |
| 04:23.07 | phylogenesis | I did that, but had no idea what to do. Okay, in root now |
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| 04:23.21 | chhristel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.22 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, chhristel |
| 04:23.32 | courpse | :/ |
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| 04:23.41 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: rm /etc/rc2.d/S*cups |
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| 04:23.45 | Tabmov | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.45 | dpkg | Tabmov: what are you talking about? |
| 04:23.45 | Tabmov | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.45 | Tabmov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.17 | phylogenesis | dondelelcaro, done |
| 04:24.19 | Chris___ | le sigh |
| 04:24.23 | muh2000 | lol that guy is still spamming? |
| 04:24.27 | Chris___ | apparently |
| 04:24.35 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 04:24.39 | *** mode/#debian [+r] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:24.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:24.43 | kmonk | ban that fools ip |
| 04:24.44 | Chris___ | do me a favour, at least don't highlight my nick in the spam? it gets rather annoying :/ |
| 04:24.52 | krt | thats the point of it |
| 04:24.57 | Chris___ | I know :p |
| 04:24.57 | muh2000 | werd |
| 04:25.06 | Chris___ | I was being sarcastic |
| 04:25.12 | dondelelcaro | Chris___: /ignore is your friend |
| 04:25.16 | krt | i missed that |
| 04:25.16 | ferret_ | What's with the `? |
| 04:25.21 | krt | like duh :-) |
| 04:25.22 | Chris___ | Silly internet, net relaying emotions over text. |
| 04:25.38 | Chris___ | dondelelcaro: Sara Jean Underwood is my friend too :D On facebook, anyways. |
| 04:25.41 | ferret_ | Also, it should be "run" not "ran"... |
| 04:25.53 | dondelelcaro | whatever it is, it's not on topic here |
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| 04:26.43 | ZeuZ | Hey guys, I've just upgraded mysql-server to 5.1 through lenny-backports |
| 04:26.51 | ZeuZ | still, mysqk will fail to start |
| 04:26.54 | krt | freenode certainl has idiots connecting to it and spamming channels with childish bullshit, at least as of recently, the other statements seem a bit iffy. |
| 04:26.55 | ZeuZ | mysql* |
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| 04:27.15 | ZeuZ | still /var/log/mysql.err says nothing about it |
| 04:27.16 | krt | sticks his tongue out and acts like a 15 year old |
| 04:27.42 | ZeuZ | Where can I reach some more useful information about what's happening to it at startup time? |
| 04:28.34 | ZeuZ | I've allready purged it, and reinstalled it, but alas, no change |
| 04:29.34 | dondelelcaro | ZeuZ: start the daemon itself directly to see what it's doing |
| 04:30.14 | ZeuZ | dondelelcaro, you mean issuing mysqld myself? |
| 04:30.18 | dondelelcaro | ZeuZ: yes |
| 04:30.21 | phylogenesis | dondelelcaro, That means my driver I just installed isn't working now,,, doesn't it? |
| 04:30.45 | dondelelcaro | phylogenesis: I don't know yet. Once you've disabled cups, exit out of single user mode and resume normal booting |
| 04:31.12 | ZeuZ | dondelelcaro, for starters, even while the service is not started (not even the pid file exists) the install process fails to configure it |
| 04:31.31 | phylogenesis | dondelelcaro, I did, and it's booted up into Gnome |
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| 04:31.40 | ZeuZ | it'll stall for a while in stoping it, then fail in starting it, and dpkg fails to configure it |
| 04:32.49 | ZeuZ | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/5VcTQqMz |
| 04:33.29 | ZeuZ | trying to run mysql_upgrade won't work either since mysqld is not running |
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| 04:36.06 | geaaru | hi, i'm try to upgrade an old computer with lenny to squeeze but i have errors on dependencies and apt-get -f install doesn't fix problem... how i can force remove of package when i have this error? |
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| 04:37.22 | dondelelcaro | geaaru: you fix the dependency error |
| 04:37.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell geaaru -about bat |
| 04:37.52 | ZeuZ | dondelelcaro, shouldn't aptitude purge get rid of all configuration files associated with a package? |
| 04:38.04 | dondelelcaro | ZeuZ: it won't delete the database |
| 04:38.13 | dondelelcaro | ZeuZ: if you want to get rid of the database, you can remove it manually |
| 04:38.26 | ZeuZ | how to do so? mysql won't start |
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| 04:38.43 | dondelelcaro | ZeuZ: in this case, I think running mysql_fix_privilege_tables; should do the right thing |
| 04:38.47 | kornerr | hi |
| 04:38.56 | kornerr | what's the package name of linux kernel sources? |
| 04:39.08 | dondelelcaro | kornerr: linux-source-* |
| 04:39.16 | ZeuZ | dondelelcaro, well then I just screwed it up, I purged mysql, then removed /etc/mysql and now it won't even get ppast it |
| 04:39.38 | dondelelcaro | ZeuZ: which mysql package did you purge? did you delete /var/lib/mysql? |
| 04:39.47 | dondelelcaro | (or wherever the database is now?) |
| 04:39.58 | kornerr | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 04:40.01 | ZeuZ | dondelelcaro, purged mysql-server |
| 04:40.08 | ZeuZ | wich in turn purged it's dependencies |
| 04:40.36 | ZeuZ | I did not delete /var/lib/mysql, should I try? |
| 04:40.42 | dondelelcaro | anyway, see #539479 |
| 04:40.50 | dondelelcaro | is out |
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| 04:44.53 | kornerr | is the kernel-source the dir where the kernel was actually built? |
| 04:45.01 | kornerr | or is it just a copy from kernel.org? |
| 04:45.23 | kornerr | i need to install VirtualBox drivers and it requires the sources with which the running kernel has been built |
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| 04:51.53 | ZeuZ | why doesn't aptitude purge mysql-server erase /etc/mysql and start again when I install again? |
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| 04:52.33 | JairunCaloth | kornerr: you just need to install the kernel headers |
| 04:53.07 | JairunCaloth | pakage name should be something like linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 04:54.37 | moldovean | kornerr, uname -r , says ? |
| 04:55.11 | kornerr | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 04:55.20 | kornerr | but it says it can't find such a name |
| 04:55.24 | kornerr | aptitude says |
| 04:56.13 | kornerr | ftp.debian.org lenny main |
| 04:56.21 | kornerr | for sources.list. do i miss anything? |
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| 04:58.46 | kornerr | wait. i was trying to install linux-kernel-headers, but should linux-headers |
| 05:01.41 | phylogenesis | Can I get a slightly older Debian version? In the modem hopes of the drivers working for it? |
| 05:01.47 | phylogenesis | *In the hopes of the modem drivers* |
| 05:03.42 | phylogenesis | Um, how do I shut down my computer?... The System -> Shutdown option just isn't there in the menu anymore! |
| 05:04.02 | phylogenesis | I keep having to go to terminal, su, then poweroff |
| 05:04.05 | phylogenesis | which is annoying |
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| 05:06.43 | krt | phylo: it's poor security practice but who cares ;-) - you can set the sticky bit and owner to root on halt and shutdown |
| 05:08.26 | phylogenesis | I'm just totally reinstalling everything. |
| 05:08.59 | phylogenesis | Too many things happened that failed and had errors. I can't fix them and everyone is running out of ideas. Hopefully a fresh install, then doing everything the correct way the first time can make it work :-/ |
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| 05:16.16 | JairunCaloth | I seem to be having dbus trouble |
| 05:16.17 | JairunCaloth | http://pastebin.com/B8U7jimx |
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| 05:16.33 | JairunCaloth | when I run /etc/init.d/dbus start, it tells me it's already running |
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| 05:17.34 | rgr | did you try restart? |
| 05:18.33 | JairunCaloth | yeah, it restarts sucessfuly. Same story with awn though |
| 05:19.18 | JairunCaloth | something tells me it's a permission issue, but no idea what it might be |
| 05:20.46 | JairunCaloth | dbus-monitor returns the same error. |
| 05:21.05 | JairunCaloth | if I run dbus-monitor as root it seems to work |
| 05:21.44 | JairunCaloth | awn works as root, so it has to be a permission issue |
| 05:27.30 | cahoot | ls -ld /tmp |
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| 05:28.58 | JairunCaloth | drwxrwxrwt 14 root root 12288 Aug 20 01:17 /tmp |
| 05:29.06 | JairunCaloth | looks right to me... I think |
| 05:29.33 | JairunCaloth | mounted as mode=1777 |
| 05:29.34 | simonrvn | yeh, should be 1777 |
| 05:29.56 | simonrvn | some folks put /var/tmp with the same perms/ownership |
| 05:30.19 | simonrvn | if you do that though, you should be sure to clean and check periodically. |
| 05:30.59 | JairunCaloth | /var/tmp is set to that as well already |
| 05:32.07 | JairunCaloth | googleing suggests I need the dbus-X11 package |
| 05:32.14 | JairunCaloth | which is already installed |
| 05:32.44 | JairunCaloth | is baffled |
| 05:34.51 | simonrvn | strace/ltrace it |
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| 05:36.43 | JairunCaloth | oh... shiny new tools :D |
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| 05:42.11 | JairunCaloth | hrm. not helping me much |
| 05:42.26 | JairunCaloth | This is the only line I can pick out as relevent. connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/tmp/dbus-0LQtDOk6PL"}, 23) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) |
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| 05:49.43 | JairunCaloth | screw it, it can wait for tomorrow |
| 05:49.48 | JairunCaloth | nite guys |
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| 05:56.31 | rkavalap | Hi guys, I need some help with my wireless. |
| 05:57.03 | rkavalap | can't get to find my wireless card in lspci, and no sign on dmesg as well |
| 05:57.22 | rkavalap | running lenny 5.0.5 |
| 05:59.17 | stew | rkavalap: is it in lsusb? |
| 05:59.50 | rkavalap | stew: nope |
| 06:00.37 | rkavalap | stew: yesterday I had these errors, when i was checking dmesg, "Parity error", Now i dont find them |
| 06:01.30 | rkavalap | stew: for some reason, my wireless card is not getting detected and i am not sure in which way to approach to debug it |
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| 06:06.15 | stew | rkavalap: how is it physically connected? |
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| 06:07.42 | rkavalap | stew: its onboard on the laptop |
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| 06:09.56 | stew | rkavalap: hmm, then I'd really expect it to show up under either lspci or lsusb |
| 06:11.44 | rkavalap | stew: Even I do, can't get my wireless now :( |
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| 06:12.07 | stew | rkavalap: is it possible that it is diabled in the bios? |
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| 06:12.55 | rkavalap | stew: I checked the bios as well, it isnt disabled. |
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| 06:13.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 06:14.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a question about setting up nrpe plugin on debian.. i cant figure out whihc packages to install... |
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| 06:14.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried both and icant seem to get them to work |
| 06:15.06 | stew | doh, hardware upgrade time |
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| 06:43.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | start tearing hair out.... |
| 06:43.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | can somebody pleae help me with the nrpe nagios plugin on debian?? |
| 06:43.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | it wild... |
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| 06:44.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont understand why i cant get the 5666 port to open on my clients.. |
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| 07:00.10 | iluminator101 | i upgraded the kernel but i could log into my encrypted /home so i booted from a live cd and mounted it.... |
| 07:00.36 | iluminator101 | when i reboot would it be accessible |
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| 07:06.10 | xlotlu | is it possible to have the kernel skip probing an ata interface? |
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| 07:11.34 | Raptors | how do you start jack server? |
| 07:12.30 | Raptors | "jack server is not running or cannot be started" I get that message when I start pativi through terminal (its working fine but I still want to know how to fix it) |
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| 07:14.56 | moldovean | , versions pativi |
| 07:14.57 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pativi' was found. |
| 07:16.19 | Raptors | piviti* |
| 07:17.45 | Raptors | , version pitivi |
| 07:18.00 | Raptors | , versions pitivi |
| 07:18.01 | judd | pitivi -- lenny: 0.10.3-1.1; sid: 0.13.4-3; squeeze: 0.13.4-3 |
| 07:21.27 | moldovean | Raptors, as pitivi works , noting to fix ( jack server is only an additional thing) |
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| 07:22.53 | Raptors | moldovean, any idea how to fix this? |
| 07:23.08 | Raptors | http://pastie.org/1103692 |
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| 07:24.58 | moldovean | Raptors, i dunno, sry |
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| 07:52.16 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 07:57.04 | Rug | I have a wierd problem, I hope somebody could help with. I have 3 computers on my network. Laptop, server A, server B. From the laptop I can SSH into both A and B, from A I can ssh into B & laptop, from B I can ssh into laptop, but not A. I can ping A but not ssh into it. the IP's are all 192.168.0.x it seems that the debian box (server A) keeps giving a conection refused when I try to login from 'B'). Any suggestions? |
| 07:57.51 | sauvin | Rug: firewall? |
| 07:57.57 | Rug | nope, no firewall |
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| 07:59.56 | easyfit | I love how a little HP utility program for Linux comes as an self-extracting EXE... because who in their right mind would actually run Linux as a desktop computer? Surely everyone needs to download this to their Windows machine first before it is transferred to one of those strange Linux boxes.... :/ |
| 08:01.16 | sauvin | Rug, does this connexion refusal occur regardless of ssh'ing username? |
| 08:01.31 | acathur | Rug: sure about the ssh port there? might be something other than 22? |
| 08:01.51 | jelly-home | easyfit: standalone firmware for hp servers typically comes as selfextracting shell scripts |
| 08:02.17 | Rug | sauvin: I haven't tried any other username, thanks give me a second. |
| 08:02.40 | Rug | acathur: it's 22 because I can login fine from a different box. |
| 08:02.43 | jelly-home | easyfit: also, that .exe is possibly a .zip in disguise |
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| 08:03.45 | Rug | sauvin: yupp, 'Connection refuse' with other login name |
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| 08:04.57 | jelly-home | Rug: are you sure you're connecting to the correct box from B to A, are you using a numeric ip or a symbolic hostname? does the hostname resolve to the correct ip? |
| 08:05.10 | Rug | using IP's for all |
| 08:05.11 | hid3 | Hello everyone. A dumb question here: how do I list only directories in a specified path? |
| 08:05.21 | jelly-home | Rug: which OS on B? |
| 08:05.44 | Rug | VMware ESX |
| 08:05.53 | sauvin | Goddamn sshfs just locked up and I can't even umount the mountpoint because it's "busy". |
| 08:06.17 | Rug | sauvin: try with -l ? |
| 08:07.00 | jelly-home | Rug: ESX, as in the host? |
| 08:07.11 | sauvin | My fusermount docs document no -l |
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| 08:07.14 | Rug | jelly-home: while connected to ESX I can SSH my laptop, so ESX isn't causing the problem. |
| 08:07.36 | jelly-home | I'll assume that meant "yes" |
| 08:07.38 | Rug | sauvin: ahh I was thinking umount -l |
| 08:08.03 | Rug | jelly-home: sorry, yes ESX is the host OS |
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| 08:08.28 | jelly-home | sauvin: sometimes kill-9ing the sshfs process is the only way out |
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| 08:09.06 | jelly-home | sauvin: use lsof -n to find out what keeps it busy, first |
| 08:09.40 | thewanderer1 | apcupsd doesn't show battery charge or remaining run time - why? |
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| 08:09.50 | acathur | hid3: find PATH -maxdepth 1 -type d |
| 08:10.09 | sauvin | I know what kept it busy. I had been watching a movie in mplayer launched from a shell that froze when sshfs decided to spazz. |
| 08:10.24 | jelly-home | Rug: ESX is basically a cripples rhel, right? Pastebin the output of iptables-save or "iptables -vnL"; also, "ip a" and "ip r". |
| 08:10.26 | sauvin | Anyway, a sudo umount -l did the trick. Didn't know about that. |
| 08:10.43 | sauvin | resumes his movie |
| 08:11.03 | Rug | jelly-home: ESX is the box I am ssh'ing out of not into. |
| 08:11.11 | jelly-home | Rug: I know. |
| 08:11.20 | Rug | jelly-home: ok one sec then. |
| 08:11.40 | jelly-home | Rug: (output of those commands on B, that is) |
| 08:11.46 | jacekowski | don't modify esx firewall with iptables |
| 08:11.56 | jacekowski | do it with vsphere client |
| 08:11.57 | sauvin | Oh, um, folks, I apologise for my outburst. I didn't realise I wasn't where I thought I was. |
| 08:11.59 | Rug | jelly-home: ok give me a second. |
| 08:12.08 | jelly-home | jacekowski: noone is modifying anything. |
| 08:12.14 | jacekowski | or esxcfg-firewall |
| 08:13.46 | jelly-home | jacekowski: we're trying to figure out why ssh B -> L works, B -> A doesn't (conn. refused), B is an ESX host, they're all in the same segment and supposedly there are no firewalls set up. |
| 08:13.47 | sauvin | Anyway, the machine being ssh'd *from* and the machine doing the ssh'ing are both Lenny machines, and in two years or so, this is only the second time sshfs has crapped out on me. |
| 08:14.07 | jacekowski | default firewall on esx is very restrictive |
| 08:14.13 | jelly-home | indeed |
| 08:14.25 | sauvin | I'm trying to think of the hosts.allow and/or hosts.deny thingie I remember seeing something about, maybe that's involved. |
| 08:14.38 | jacekowski | no |
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| 08:18.07 | Rug | jelly-home: http://pastebin.org/616772 |
| 08:18.52 | jacekowski | yeah, it's blocked on firewall |
| 08:19.14 | Rug | how can an outgoing ssh request be blocked? |
| 08:20.14 | jacekowski | with iptables |
| 08:20.33 | jelly-home | Rug: you'll want to read that esxcfg-firewall command docs and tune the outgoing rules |
| 08:21.04 | jacekowski | that's why people shouldn't touch thinks they know fuck all about |
| 08:21.06 | Rug | ahh, thanks. I am used to allowing all outgoing ssh. (stupid defaults) |
| 08:21.15 | Rug | kicks himself |
| 08:21.22 | jacekowski | esxcfg-firewall -q ssh |
| 08:22.01 | Rug | jacekowski: thank-you |
| 08:22.16 | jelly-home | jacekowski: if they did know stuff, they wouldn't come to ask |
| 08:22.17 | jacekowski | esxcfg-firewall -q sshClient |
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| 08:24.57 | Rug | thanks again for your help. |
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| 08:36.08 | ukl | hello #debian. I'm trying to set up two different keyboard layouts for two different keyboards (the laptop internal and a wireless one) -- where do I have to look for the right things to set up? |
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| 08:41.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | this is strange i got my dchpd port 67 and it wont freaking open up.. |
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| 08:41.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | i turnoed off my iptables firewll and i still cant see it open with nmap |
| 08:42.22 | stew | Eryn_1983_FL: you mean dhcpd/ |
| 08:42.23 | stew | ? |
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| 08:42.58 | stew | Eryn_1983_FL: what ip / port / protocol are you trying to use? |
| 08:43.38 | swoody | What /join #debian-security |
| 08:44.44 | swoody | Can someone tell me the advantages of Debian stable over sid when it comes to security? |
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| 08:45.26 | swoody | (or vice versa) |
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| 08:47.10 | stew | swoody: althought the security team tries to coordinate an security fix for sid in unstable at the time that a security fix is being added to stable, its not guaranteed |
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| 08:48.00 | stew | swoody: in general, sid is intended for developers that are going to help with testing/debugging |
| 08:48.05 | industrial | Since (i hope) it's running on the same packaging system I'm going to ask an apt-get related ubuntu question. with ubuntu, the package ubuntu-minimal depends on vim. I want to remove vim but can't because of dependencies. I have my own vim 7.3 compiled and installed. What is the correct way to tackle this? |
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| 08:48.13 | swoody | stew: I see, so the best bet for maintaining the highest security, stable would be the choice? |
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| 08:48.29 | stew | yes |
| 08:48.29 | manhunter | is there any channel for debian development? |
| 08:48.39 | industrial | (also, yeah you guessed it, just noise in #ubuntu, no replies for half an hour) |
| 08:48.44 | swoody | industrial: you may want to try asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners |
| 08:48.47 | industrial | yes yes |
| 08:48.52 | swoody | ah, I see |
| 08:48.52 | industrial | been there done that |
| 08:48.59 | industrial | :) |
| 08:49.03 | stew | industrial: you might try a ubuntu mailing list or web forum then |
| 08:49.07 | industrial | :| |
| 08:49.23 | industrial | s/ubuntu-minimal/some-package-x |
| 08:49.37 | swoody | lol |
| 08:49.41 | industrial | doesn't really matter or does it? |
| 08:49.44 | swoody | I would tell you if I knew ;) |
| 08:49.48 | industrial | :> |
| 08:49.49 | stew | industrial: not really, no |
| 08:50.07 | stew | manhunter: the development related channels would mostly be on irc.debian.org |
| 08:50.14 | sauvin | industrial, I make *no* promises, but the folks in ##linux might be able to help. |
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| 08:50.21 | industrial | well thanks anyway |
| 08:50.23 | industrial | sauvin: k\ |
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| 08:50.46 | stew | manhunter: if you could be more specific about what you are looking for I could maybe point you to a specific channel, though you might want #debian-mentors |
| 08:50.55 | derechtejohannes | hi, is there a way to automaticaly power down idle pci / pcie cards? |
| 08:51.10 | swoody | industrial: if you're really desperate, you might think of adding a repo in LP and sticking your version of vim there (if you want to package it)... |
| 08:51.24 | swoody | add the repo, apt-get update, and replace the 'standard' version with your own |
| 08:51.30 | stew | (he's gone) |
| 08:51.40 | swoody | well that's for the IRC log.... |
| 08:51.45 | swoody | if there is a log :) |
| 08:51.48 | manhunter | stew: yes, |
| 08:52.07 | manhunter | can't join debian-mentors |
| 08:52.15 | stew | manhunter: why not? |
| 08:52.21 | manhunter | don't know |
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| 08:52.46 | manhunter | stew: now,it's ok |
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| 08:55.39 | jeanseb | hi is there any maintener here ? |
| 08:55.52 | stew | jeanseb: several. just ask your real question |
| 08:56.12 | jeanseb | stew, no questin just two thing i want to signal |
| 08:56.31 | jeanseb | first tm config is to small in mtab |
| 08:56.58 | jeanseb | in squeeze |
| 08:56.59 | jeanseb | i set it to 1Go as tmp always full |
| 08:57.21 | stew | jeanseb: what do you mean? |
| 08:57.23 | jeanseb | second, / often full when doing update |
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| 08:58.13 | stew | jeanseb: are you talking about the automatically configured partition sizes in the installer? |
| 08:58.28 | jeanseb | Disk was partinoned by nstaller |
| 08:58.44 | jeanseb | Yes i used /home and / option |
| 08:58.57 | stew | jeanseb: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot is the mailing list for the installer |
| 08:59.03 | jeanseb | for tmp the problem ist in mtab : overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,size=1073741824,mode=1777 0 0 |
| 08:59.09 | jeanseb | on this line ^ |
| 08:59.18 | jeanseb | I've change the size value |
| 09:00.16 | jeanseb | ok |
| 09:00.40 | jeanseb | and for the overflow config , where does it come from ? |
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| 09:06.02 | thewanderer1 | ok, my APC problem has been solved, I needed to change the vendor string from APC to APC_NOTRAP and it shows BCHARGE |
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| 09:23.41 | simonrvn | yikes |
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| 09:29.19 | rares | anyone play iwth hurd? |
| 09:29.26 | rares | with |
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| 09:33.40 | wieshka | hmmm - i understud correctly - i ghave to use debian 5 small cd for server installation ? |
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| 09:34.53 | nsadmin | there's lots of ways to install |
| 09:34.59 | babilen | wieshka: You can use whatever image you want. The "netinstall" image has the advantage that it will download the newest available packages from the mirrors. You will need a working internet connection during the installation though. |
| 09:35.09 | babilen | !tell wieshka about ig |
| 09:35.31 | babilen | wieshka: You might want to read the "Install Guide" mentioned by dpkg |
| 09:35.34 | nsadmin | not just a working connection, but also devices that are supported by drivers in the install kernel |
| 09:36.23 | babilen | ... because your connection wouldn't work otherwise ;) |
| 09:36.25 | wieshka | heh, the porblemem is that now i have ubuntu 10.04, what totally sucks in virtualizations |
| 09:36.40 | wieshka | i will give a try to small cd |
| 09:36.45 | nsadmin | the netinstall cd (and probably also cd 1) have the advantage that the base is on the cd and can come from the cd if you don't have a connection |
| 09:37.14 | wieshka | so switching to debian 5, what normally supports XEN |
| 09:37.18 | wieshka | as i read in forum |
| 09:37.23 | nsadmin | there's nothing that I know of that has the exact name "small cd" |
| 09:38.35 | nsadmin | you will have to install xen after you reboot |
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| 09:40.48 | rares | is there anyway to fake vt-x / amd-v? |
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| 09:41.13 | rares | i have a laptop with a T4300 no virtualization in cpu :( |
| 09:41.14 | nsadmin | probably not, and there's no point |
| 09:41.33 | nsadmin | faking that involves emulating |
| 09:41.41 | yareckon | hi guys, have an old web server that is suddenly getting slammed with traffic... don't have a lot of experience with mod_cgi |
| 09:41.49 | rares | i have like 4 oses and a few others require it |
| 09:41.58 | yareckon | is there an easy way to limit the number of php processes lauched? |
| 09:42.04 | yareckon | we're running out of memory |
| 09:42.33 | nsadmin | yareckon, you think you're getting legit hits? |
| 09:42.53 | yareckon | indeed, it is from a newspaper |
| 09:42.54 | Bushmills | limit number of concurrent connections to the web server (assuming php is served by web server) |
| 09:43.20 | yareckon | hmmm easier to do from the apache side then |
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| 09:51.35 | julien_l | Hi, I'd like to know if it's possible to query aptitude for security updates only without removing other repository from sources.list . I wanna set a nagios alert only if there are security updates available and not installed, and don't care about other updates. thanks for your answers |
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| 09:52.47 | alcy | what's the deal with init.d scripts and socket creation ? |
| 09:53.46 | yareckon | nsadmin, looks like the memory problem is only a symptom... setting max clients down does keep the number under control, but I have a bunch of stupid php4 processes sitting there doing nothing other than holding onto 120Mb ram a piece |
| 09:53.51 | alcy | and why/did the mechanism changed from lenny to squeeze ? is it more package-dependent or debian-dependent ? |
| 09:54.35 | yareckon | they are obviously waiting for some kind of return from somewhere else ... though disk and cpu are under control |
| 09:54.47 | yareckon | in otherwords, unoptimized application |
| 09:55.15 | yareckon | or race condition / locking somewhere with enough traffic |
| 09:56.22 | rares | alcy i get pretty quick boots with the new initscripts |
| 09:57.12 | yareckon | that, or some sort of mod_cgi bug |
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| 09:59.31 | alcy | rares: any link for documentation of the changes made in the init mechanism/scripts ? |
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| 10:05.02 | nsadmin | you could just limit connections opening from the newspaper |
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| 10:24.55 | julien_l | I'd like to know if safe-upgrade only does the security updates , it's not clearly mentioned in the aptitude manual....... |
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| 10:27.34 | behrad | I want link of page priroty of website translation. I forget it and cant find it |
| 10:28.33 | babilen | julien_l: safe-upgrade (as opposed to full-upgrade) won't install new packages and won't remove packages |
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| 10:30.20 | kale | hi, i'm trying to encode using ffmpeg, but it looks like support for mpeg2video is not enabled, is there any reason for this? |
| 10:31.50 | babilen | kale: mpeg2video? |
| 10:33.06 | kale | babilen: ffmpeg -formats |
| 10:33.14 | kale | mpeg2video is not enabled for encoding |
| 10:33.59 | kale | i am trying to run this to get a file encoded for digital broadcast: ffmpeg -i /var/www/AKivTVweb/receive/brothers_partial.mpg -ar 44100 -ab 224k -r 25 -f mpegts -vcodec mpeg2video -b 4000k -minrate 4000k -maxrate 4000k -bufsize 2048k -y /var/www/AKivTVweb/receive/brothers_partial.mpg_ffmpeg.mpg -pass 1 |
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| 10:35.01 | julien_l | babilen, yes I know that's from the man, but i'd like to know if there's a command line option to get security updates only (i thought using -t lenny/updates would do the job but it does not) |
| 10:36.09 | babilen | julien_l: You will only get security updates with lenny |
| 10:36.17 | julien_l | in fact i like to do 2 thingd from the command line, check if there are security updates(only) available. and second thing do a safe-upgrade on security updates only |
| 10:36.18 | kefalo | how to downgrade php 5.3.2 to 5.2 in squeeze? |
| 10:36.25 | nsadmin | julien_l, right, lenny will not otherwise change |
| 10:36.43 | julien_l | because it's like that debian stable updates |
| 10:36.47 | julien_l | are only security ? |
| 10:36.54 | nsadmin | kefalo: the version that's in there is the one you get... |
| 10:37.03 | babilen | !tell julien_l -about stable |
| 10:37.28 | julien_l | ok |
| 10:37.45 | kefalo | nsadmin, ok... but i need php5.2 version. is there a way i could install that version? |
| 10:37.49 | julien_l | so my question was stupid from the start :) |
| 10:37.50 | nsadmin | and downgrading is generally not supported, altho if you find a .deb of it in soem archive that would work, you could try installing that |
| 10:37.52 | julien_l | thx |
| 10:39.05 | babilen | kale: do you get any error message? I have "E mpeg2video raw MPEG-2 video" in ffmpeg -formats, but haven't tried to *encode* with that. It might be disabled in the ffmpeg package provided by Debian and you could try the one from dmm (/msg dpkg dmm) |
| 10:39.12 | julien_l | that's weird I didin't really found the info |
| 10:39.29 | julien_l | like in http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 10:39.51 | kale | babilen: what sources do you have for ffmpeg? |
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| 10:39.52 | julien_l | I guess debian way of working is kinda complicated and confusing to me |
| 10:40.23 | nsadmin | kefalo, failing that, you'd probably have to install the apache dev libs and then build whatever php you want (if you go for that, don't put it in /usr) |
| 10:40.46 | kale | babilen: ahh marillat, thanks |
| 10:41.22 | julien_l | do you have in depth info url about debian releasing and packaging process ? and the way updates / patches and so on are done ? |
| 10:41.37 | nsadmin | !nmg |
| 10:41.37 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 10:41.55 | kefalo | nsadmin, what about removing all installed php packages and installing php 5.2 from source? does it gonna work? or should i download lenny .deb packages and install that way? |
| 10:41.58 | nsadmin | that's probably the closest |
| 10:42.28 | nsadmin | you should put your php in /usr/local |
| 10:42.34 | julien_l | thx I'll have a good reading |
| 10:43.04 | nsadmin | then configure your apache to use the one in /usr/local |
| 10:44.10 | babilen | kale: If that still doesn't work (looks like it should judging by the output i get) you could recompile the package manually after changing debian/rules to enable mpeg2video. "/msg dpkg package recompile" |
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| 10:47.01 | julien_l | juste one litte more then : why the security repository and an other "standard" ftp.debian.org repo ? |
| 10:48.29 | alcy | quick one folks, when dist-upgrading to squeeze, I am given the option to chose between legacy boot sequence style and the dependency based. I want to know if this will be an option for clean squeeze installs in the future ? I guess not |
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| 10:55.43 | nsadmin | well a clean sqeeze install is not an upgrade |
| 10:55.47 | kale | babilen: i'll just get the package marillat provides |
| 10:55.53 | kale | babilen: but thanks for the help |
| 10:55.55 | nsadmin | but I don't know if that's the deciding factor |
| 10:56.40 | nsadmin | ubuntu happened to have led the charge on the dep-based boot |
| 10:56.57 | sonicx | anybody got plymouth working proper in debian? i mean including the boot-duration/progress stuff? |
| 10:57.31 | nsadmin | , versions plymouth |
| 10:57.33 | judd | plymouth -- squeeze: 0.8.3-5; sid: 0.8.3-6 |
| 10:58.26 | nsadmin | sonicx: the opposite of your question is "are there known problems in plymouth" and is answered in the bts |
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| 11:04.27 | sonicx | that wasnt my question. apart from that there are no hints towards the state of the boot-duration in the bts, and the packaged version doesnt work for me on a default install. google gives only hints bout ubuntu&plymouth. |
| 11:05.03 | sonicx | im just wondering if anybody actually got this to work completely - which would mean im just doing it wrong. |
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| 11:05.55 | sonicx | just installing the plymouth package doesnt do all the steps necessary to get it to work halfway in the first place. |
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| 11:12.48 | babilen | sonicx: Anything interesting in README.Debian or other related documentation? It mentions that you have to enable KMS for example ... |
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| 11:13.14 | debuggerboy | sonicx http://honk.sigxcpu.org/con/Boot_splashing_with_plymouth.html |
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| 11:13.34 | crekarasu | how I can install curl please ? |
| 11:13.40 | debuggerboy | sonicx may be have seen it already |
| 11:13.56 | petemc | crekarasu: aptitude install curl |
| 11:14.41 | crekarasu | petemc E: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/curl/curl_7.15.5-1etch2_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 11:15.25 | babilen | !tell crekarasu -about etch |
| 11:15.26 | OpenTokix | How are you supposed to configure network the "right" way in debian squeeze? - since /etc/init.d/networking complains of beeing deprecaed. |
| 11:15.33 | petemc | crekarasu: you're using etch, /msg dpkg etch sources , you should upgrade tho |
| 11:15.34 | sonicx | debuggerboy: thx for the info. mostly what i did, but a few new hints. at least it seems these guys got it working! |
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| 11:17.47 | crekarasu | petemc dpkg it's a bot ... don't help me to install curl |
| 11:18.13 | shahri | dpkg: you're a bot |
| 11:18.13 | dpkg | shahri: are you using Windows? |
| 11:18.21 | petemc | crekarasu: it doesnt help you if you're not prepared to read, no |
| 11:18.25 | shahri | dpkg: nopesterama, debian, of course |
| 11:18.25 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, shahri |
| 11:18.54 | kefalo | OpenTokix, if you have problems network-manager detecting your eth0 connection? then edit managed=false to managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
| 11:19.01 | crekarasu | petemc I read what I was told |
| 11:19.09 | petemc | crekarasu: so whats the problem? |
| 11:19.35 | crekarasu | petemc unable to install curl |
| 11:20.14 | petemc | !tell crekarasu about etch sources.list |
| 11:21.44 | OpenTokix | kefalo: I have two bridges, one with a default route and one without |
| 11:21.49 | OpenTokix | kefalo: and it breaks my routing |
| 11:22.26 | crekarasu | petemc unable to install curl and do not understand what dpkg says |
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| 11:24.03 | petemc | crekarasu: its telling you to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:24.05 | kefalo | OpenTokix, not so experienced with networking... try installing wicd and disabling network-manager |
| 11:24.10 | OpenTokix | wicd? |
| 11:24.24 | petemc | crekarasu: or that you should upgrade lenny as etch no longer has security support |
| 11:24.48 | kefalo | OpenTokix, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:25.27 | crekarasu | petemc how I can update lenny ? |
| 11:25.30 | OpenTokix | I rather just have ifup ifdown and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:26.02 | petemc | crekarasu: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 11:26.43 | nsadmin | I just went thru man aptitude, didn't find obvious answer; how do I install from backports (it seems to don't wanna) |
| 11:27.05 | kefalo | OpenTokix, try with wicd... if it doesnt function then go back to network-manager. |
| 11:28.01 | OpenTokix | kefalo: I never went for network-manager, but I will try it - I am not very happy about some gui-based junk |
| 11:28.05 | nsadmin | he just got done saying he wants to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:29.26 | nsadmin | OpenTokix: nm is handy for a laptop that goes between different nets |
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| 11:29.41 | kefalo | nsadmin, adding repos to sources.list and setting apt pins you could achieve this. if im not ot. |
| 11:29.43 | nsadmin | it's not for, say, servers |
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| 11:30.06 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: I dont use debian on my laptop |
| 11:31.10 | nsadmin | kefalo I added the source, isn't there a way to say "get it from backports"? |
| 11:31.30 | jelly | OpenTokix: what is the exact output of "interfaces complaining of being deprecated"? It's not deprecated. |
| 11:31.41 | OpenTokix | jelly: in squeeze it is |
| 11:31.45 | OpenTokix | jelly: so it seems |
| 11:31.56 | nsadmin | OpenTokix: I do, but I also have a debian router and a debian desktop, both of which do networking using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:32.00 | OpenTokix | jelly: can't run it just now, since I am doing something else on that computer needing of network |
| 11:32.04 | jelly | OpenTokix: yeah, answer the questio please. |
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| 11:32.14 | jelly | ah. |
| 11:32.17 | kefalo | nsadmin, yes there is ... i dont know the details but it could be set... what packages should apt install from what repo... what version... and so on... |
| 11:32.18 | OpenTokix | jelly: I can test it in a few minutes, since I need the network currently =) |
| 11:32.26 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: with debian squeeze? |
| 11:32.39 | jelly | OpenTokix: np. Also, wrt bridges, have you read bridge-utils-interfaces(5) |
| 11:32.43 | nsadmin | me? no, all three running lenny |
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| 11:33.07 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: ok, this problem is in squeeze that I just upgraded to. - I have some 110 machines running Debian Lenny/etch mix. also. |
| 11:33.29 | nsadmin | I know you've heard the dril on mixes |
| 11:33.51 | ZeuZ | Is there any place I could gather the default my.cnf for mysql? |
| 11:34.00 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: They are in a nice upgrade cycle |
| 11:34.21 | nsadmin | so they won't be mixes for long? |
| 11:34.22 | jelly | OpenTokix: read the output carefully. It might complain of a certain specific file or configuration option in /etc/network being obsolete, it definitely shouldn't say that for /e/n/interfaces in general |
| 11:34.29 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: ok, some machines run lenny, some still on etch |
| 11:34.36 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: I dont mix lenny and etch on the same machine =) |
| 11:34.46 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 11:34.58 | OpenTokix | jelly: it's /etc/init.d/networking restart that is deprecated |
| 11:35.00 | OpenTokix | it says |
| 11:36.14 | jelly | yeah, I've read the echo_msg |
| 11:36.23 | jelly | er, log_warning_msg |
| 11:38.15 | kefalo | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 11:38.38 | OpenTokix | jelly: kefalo just pasted |
| 11:39.09 | jelly | yeah, I said I read it. |
| 11:39.15 | kefalo | heh i had problem now |
| 11:39.25 | kefalo | when i restarted networking |
| 11:39.27 | ZeuZ | Is there any place I could gather the default my.cnf for mysql? I aptitude purged it, and reinstalled, but the previous config files where there. I tried to force it and deleted them on my own, but now I don't seem to find that file in /etc/mysql nor anywhere on the system, and need a clean one to start configuring mine |
| 11:39.31 | kefalo | network-manager stoped working |
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| 11:39.55 | kefalo | it didnt put my intarfaces up and i had to restart network-manager too |
| 11:39.59 | jelly | that line has bad grammar and no explanation for it at all in the changelog. I'm going to file a bug. |
| 11:40.28 | kefalo | ZeuZ, what debian are you using? |
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| 11:40.39 | v0lZy | hello |
| 11:40.45 | ZeuZ | kefalo, lenny |
| 11:40.57 | v0lZy | I have a distribution called "mailCleaner" here... im trying to get it to do DHCP |
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| 11:41.06 | v0lZy | but im not familiar with debian as well as with arch |
| 11:41.19 | SlayerXP | v0lZy: what is your debian specific question? |
| 11:41.20 | v0lZy | how do i get it to do dhcp? i found the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 11:41.35 | v0lZy | and in it i have just 2 lines now |
| 11:41.37 | kefalo | jelly, you can't understand what i said? |
| 11:41.38 | v0lZy | auto eth0 |
| 11:41.46 | v0lZy | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 11:42.02 | v0lZy | when i do /etc/init.d/networking restat |
| 11:42.05 | v0lZy | restart* |
| 11:42.18 | v0lZy | it doesnt pick up an IP as it should... keeps it as 127.0.0.1... |
| 11:42.42 | ZeuZ | v0lZy, that IP is going to be allways at the loopback interface. |
| 11:42.44 | v0lZy | SlayerXP: my debian specific question is how do i configure the system to get IP and dns and gateway and everything via DHCP? |
| 11:43.04 | ZeuZ | v0lZy, try running dhclient with the correct interface |
| 11:43.48 | jelly | kefalo: you just pasted the message. I'm commenting on it. |
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| 11:44.05 | v0lZy | doesnt look like it has dhclient |
| 11:44.45 | ZeuZ | v0lZy, Debian Stable (Lenny) has it, in any case, there's also dhcdbd for that |
| 11:45.28 | v0lZy | hm... |
| 11:45.37 | v0lZy | this is mailCleaner .. im not sure which debian its based on |
| 11:45.45 | Bushmills | ZeuZ: comes from mysql-common |
| 11:45.50 | nsadmin | cool, my iceweasel is upgraded, and I'm not using so many tabs |
| 11:45.51 | v0lZy | dhcdbd command not found. |
| 11:46.10 | nsadmin | dhcpcd |
| 11:46.29 | nsadmin | dhcp client daemon |
| 11:46.31 | v0lZy | dhcpcd command not found |
| 11:46.41 | nsadmin | !installit |
| 11:46.41 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 11:46.42 | ZeuZ | Bushmills, package installed but still no file found.. |
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| 11:47.01 | Bushmills | purge, reinstall. or download, unpack |
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| 11:47.17 | ZeuZ | Bushmills, purge and reinstall shields no results in that matter |
| 11:47.20 | jpx | hi folk |
| 11:47.26 | Bushmills | dpkg -S /etc/mysql/my.cnf will convince you |
| 11:47.26 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/mysql/my.cnf will convince you is installed! |
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| 11:47.36 | jpx | anyone can share link how to install zabbix on debian 5 from apt-get |
| 11:47.41 | kefalo | ZeuZ, http://pastebin.com/jmgYiX6N i thing this is untouched file |
| 11:47.42 | ZeuZ | Bushmills, you mean taking the one in cache and dpkg -i the file? |
| 11:47.50 | v0lZy | i've set a static ip |
| 11:47.57 | v0lZy | can i do apt-get or something |
| 11:48.10 | jpx | why not |
| 11:48.27 | jpx | static address freak u out :? :) |
| 11:48.28 | v0lZy | cannot initiat connection to http://ftp.debian.org |
| 11:48.29 | v0lZy | hm... |
| 11:48.29 | nsadmin | , versions zabbix |
| 11:48.30 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'zabbix' was found. |
| 11:48.31 | v0lZy | sec. |
| 11:48.44 | jpx | zabbix-mysql-server |
| 11:48.47 | jpx | if i am right |
| 11:49.12 | v0lZy | ok |
| 11:49.13 | v0lZy | works now |
| 11:49.15 | jpx | zabbix is most powerfull tool |
| 11:49.18 | v0lZy | had to fix the gateway it was using. |
| 11:49.25 | Bushmills | ZeuZ: yes. or run midnight commander, open deb file in one panel, copy your file from it |
| 11:49.32 | v0lZy | seems it lenny |
| 11:49.37 | v0lZy | but i get another error |
| 11:49.54 | v0lZy | failed to fetch ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release.gpg |
| 11:49.54 | nsadmin | you should consider, compare and contrast mysql with other dbs, especially postgres, which is freely available and has features that let you define how the database should automatically protect your data |
| 11:50.08 | v0lZy | cannot initiate the connection to ftp.debian.org:80 ... network is unreachable.. huh... |
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| 11:50.22 | v0lZy | i can ping ftp.debian.org normally |
| 11:50.24 | nsadmin | your net is down? |
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| 11:50.29 | nsadmin | so your net is up |
| 11:50.30 | v0lZy | its not. |
| 11:50.33 | v0lZy | I can ping it |
| 11:50.35 | jpx | routeroute command will help u out |
| 11:50.46 | ZeuZ | kefalo, gonna try it, check back later |
| 11:50.48 | jpx | or change in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:50.50 | jpx | :) |
| 11:50.57 | ZeuZ | I guess he's missing the route |
| 11:51.06 | jpx | check routing table |
| 11:51.10 | nsadmin | routeroute: command not foundfound |
| 11:51.11 | v0lZy | hm.. |
| 11:51.13 | ZeuZ | route add default gw YOU.RGA.YTE.WAY |
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| 11:51.26 | jpx | v0lZy: its on bash |
| 11:51.29 | jpx | show me same |
| 11:51.31 | v0lZy | i have it |
| 11:51.50 | nsadmin | no he's not |
| 11:51.50 | jpx | whereis route |
| 11:51.52 | v0lZy | default 192.168.1.72 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 11:51.54 | jpx | sbin/route |
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| 11:52.02 | nsadmin | his physical connection and dns look fine |
| 11:52.31 | v0lZy | well |
| 11:52.37 | v0lZy | in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:52.38 | v0lZy | i have this: |
| 11:52.41 | v0lZy | auto lo |
| 11:52.45 | v0lZy | iface lo inet loopback |
| 11:52.45 | jpx | if u can open with lynx some webpage getaway work fine |
| 11:52.50 | v0lZy | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 11:52.53 | v0lZy | auto eth0 |
| 11:52.57 | v0lZy | iface eth0 inet static |
| 11:53.02 | v0lZy | address 192.168.1.101 |
| 11:53.07 | v0lZy | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:53.08 | nsadmin | and then a buncha lines? |
| 11:53.12 | v0lZy | network 192.168.1.0 |
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| 11:53.19 | v0lZy | broadcast 192.168.1.255 |
| 11:53.24 | nsadmin | !pastebinit |
| 11:53.25 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728). |
| 11:53.27 | v0lZy | gateway 192.168.1.72 |
| 11:53.32 | v0lZy | Cant paste |
| 11:53.36 | v0lZy | command line there.. |
| 11:53.38 | nsadmin | yes you can |
| 11:53.43 | nsadmin | you can pastebinit |
| 11:53.44 | jpx | ping gateway |
| 11:53.55 | jpx | do trace |
| 11:54.02 | jpx | looks where is stops |
| 11:54.03 | v0lZy | gateway works fine |
| 11:54.07 | nsadmin | in any case, your sources.list is probably wrong |
| 11:54.13 | jpx | so its dns problem |
| 11:54.17 | jpx | use google ones |
| 11:54.21 | jpx | 8.8.8.8 |
| 11:54.22 | nsadmin | no, he can ping by name |
| 11:54.24 | jpx | or 4.4.4.4 |
| 11:54.36 | nsadmin | so his dns is fine |
| 11:54.37 | jpx | so where is the prob |
| 11:54.41 | nsadmin | in any case, your sources.list is probably wrong |
| 11:54.56 | v0lZy | i can do traceroute to debian.org fine... |
| 11:54.56 | nsadmin | some small syntax error probably |
| 11:55.19 | jelly | kefalo, OpenTokix: http://bugs.debian.org/565187 you could read this closed bug report about the message, but be warned it may instill rage |
| 11:55.37 | jpx | v0lZy: where is problem than |
| 11:55.40 | jpx | ? |
| 11:55.41 | nsadmin | oh, you shouldn't use ftp.debian.org (that's probably not the problem) |
| 11:55.41 | v0lZy | ah |
| 11:55.46 | v0lZy | apt-get update worked now |
| 11:55.52 | v0lZy | ok.-. what do i apt-get to get dhcp working? |
| 11:55.54 | jpx | huh |
| 11:56.08 | jpx | chek /etc/apt/source.lsit |
| 11:56.11 | jpx | is corect |
| 11:56.13 | v0lZy | dhcpcd... |
| 11:56.21 | v0lZy | apt-get install dhcpcd |
| 11:56.25 | sonicx | dhcp3-client and/or dhcp3-server |
| 11:56.28 | nsadmin | you want a dhcp server or client |
| 11:56.35 | jpx | do first apt-get update |
| 11:56.37 | nsadmin | right, what sonicx said |
| 11:56.41 | jpx | looks whats error showing |
| 11:56.51 | sonicx | exactly, update first! |
| 11:56.52 | nsadmin | jpx: look up! |
| 11:57.02 | sonicx | ah... right ... |
| 11:57.20 | nsadmin | NO, not that far up... not at your lighting... at the top of the screen |
| 11:57.21 | v0lZy | ok |
| 11:57.26 | v0lZy | seems like dhcp is working now |
| 11:57.29 | v0lZy | i did apt-get install dhcpcd |
| 11:57.30 | v0lZy | but |
| 11:57.37 | v0lZy | do i have to edit some configuration file so it will start on boot? |
| 11:57.48 | jpx | v0lZy: dont be lazy |
| 11:57.54 | nsadmin | the config file is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:57.57 | jpx | ask google how to setup dhcpd on debian |
| 11:58.05 | jpx | is so many info |
| 11:58.10 | OpenTokix | jelly: epic answer =) |
| 11:58.45 | nsadmin | epic: answer: nick is already in use |
| 11:58.49 | jpx | its not about we dont want to help u |
| 11:58.51 | jpx | :) |
| 11:59.16 | v0lZy | ah |
| 11:59.25 | v0lZy | if its in /etc/init.d its gonna auto start |
| 11:59.43 | jpx | please |
| 11:59.43 | jpx | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/dhcp.htm |
| 12:00.08 | nsadmin | jpx: you are SO far behind... you must be lagged like 2 mins or so |
| 12:00.18 | jpx | no i am working |
| 12:00.28 | jpx | too |
| 12:00.30 | jpx | :) |
| 12:00.43 | jpx | will setup new zabbix serve |
| 12:00.46 | nsadmin | so you're working AND lagging? |
| 12:00.50 | v0lZy | :D |
| 12:00.54 | v0lZy | hes wagging :D |
| 12:01.06 | v0lZy | </elmerfud> |
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| 12:05.41 | alcohol | this can't be good; attempting to mount a drive and getting the following error: ext3-fs get rood inode failed, attempt to access beyond end of device, unable to read superblock |
| 12:05.48 | v0lZy | ok guys |
| 12:05.51 | v0lZy | thanks a million! |
| 12:06.00 | v0lZy | seems like it all works as it should now |
| 12:06.07 | v0lZy | thanks for your help |
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| 12:10.58 | kornerr | is there a way to update debian 5.0 cmake 2.6 to 2.8? |
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| 12:12.00 | nsadmin | probably you should just build the cmake you watn |
| 12:12.07 | nsadmin | or look for a backport |
| 12:12.10 | babilen | ,versions cmake |
| 12:12.13 | judd | cmake -- etch: 2.4.5-1; etch-backports: 2.6.0-5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.6.0-6; sid: 2.8.2-2; squeeze: 2.8.2-2 |
| 12:12.30 | babilen | !tell kornerr about ssb |
| 12:12.56 | Bushmills | alcohol: that's right |
| 12:13.08 | nsadmin | it'll probably be a -simple- backport too... grub2 was not... |
| 12:13.36 | nsadmin | it was a series of like 8 or 9 simple backports |
| 12:13.47 | babilen | kornerr: Other options are upgrading to squeeze or setting up a "build" chroot based on squeeze |
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| 12:14.25 | nsadmin | or a build vserver if you have virtualization available and handy |
| 12:14.29 | kornerr | I guess I'll use the cmake.sh install script from cmake .org then |
| 12:14.58 | nsadmin | make sure it doesn't install into /usr (but /usr/local is ok) |
| 12:15.11 | babilen | !tell kornerr -about usrlocal |
| 12:15.31 | kornerr | wow |
| 12:15.36 | babilen | kornerr: "stow" is a great tool and you should use it to handle installations to /usr/local |
| 12:15.37 | kornerr | automation is such an evil |
| 12:15.46 | babilen | how come? |
| 12:15.58 | kornerr | the usrlocal |
| 12:16.03 | kornerr | can break blah-lbah |
| 12:16.07 | kornerr | no good |
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| 12:16.30 | nsadmin | if you feel that way... maybe you want more control of what's in your installation |
| 12:16.38 | babilen | What could be improved about that message in your opinion? |
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| 12:16.56 | kornerr | it was just my thought. I don't have any imporvement options :) |
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| 12:18.18 | babilen | Well, it is your system and I would just follow common practice by installing cmake to /usr/local -- If you don't want to, I will not stop you from doing that, but I think that a simple sid backport is a better solution |
| 12:18.19 | Pupeno[work] | Is there a way to find out which package created a group? |
| 12:18.38 | kornerr | I didn't find cmake in backports |
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| 12:19.22 | babilen | kornerr: Ask dpkg about "ssb" -- You should have received a PM earlier with that information |
| 12:19.33 | kornerr | I asked backports.org |
| 12:20.12 | babilen | kornerr: I already checked and it turned out that there is no backport available on bpo, which is why I had dpkg send you the "ssb" factoid |
| 12:20.22 | kornerr | oh |
| 12:20.27 | kornerr | you mean compile myself? |
| 12:20.30 | babilen | yes |
| 12:20.37 | kornerr | ok. I'll just patch the sources. |
| 12:20.38 | babilen | !ssb |
| 12:20.38 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 12:20.46 | babilen | I am referring to ^^^^ |
| 12:20.50 | kornerr | ok |
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| 12:28.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i need help |
| 12:28.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to prevent some application dependencies frm being installed when i install wine |
| 12:29.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | they just screw up my machine.. |
| 12:29.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tryed the aptitude install wine package= packag2= |
| 12:29.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | but it just says its need them and asks to install the to fix the broke wine.. |
| 12:30.19 | nsadmin | Eryn_1983_FL: why? |
| 12:30.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | they break my DNS |
| 12:30.31 | nsadmin | wine needs stuff to run |
| 12:30.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont want them installed.. |
| 12:31.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh |
| 12:31.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i end up installing wine using wine and then uninstalling wine when i am done then? |
| 12:31.29 | nsadmin | build wine yourself, or get the debianized wine source, adjust and build after finding out why these things you don't want installed are present, and how to deactivate wine's need for them |
| 12:31.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 12:32.13 | nsadmin | OR ALTERNATIVELY... |
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| 12:32.27 | nsadmin | solve this problem that it's causing outside of them |
| 12:32.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | well its avhai and mdns |
| 12:33.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | avahi |
| 12:33.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | its so that windows apps can use dns. |
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| 12:33.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | since they dont use the linux way. |
| 12:33.44 | nsadmin | why are they causing problems? err, slightly wrong question... |
| 12:34.00 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: if the resolver is making noises, stop the avahi-daemon service, remove mention of mdns in /etc/nsswitch.conf, you ought to be set |
| 12:34.26 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: also disable avahi-daemon from starting in runlevel 2 |
| 12:34.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright |
| 12:34.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks jelly |
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| 12:34.57 | nsadmin | it's not that being installed causes the problem,,, it's being started |
| 12:35.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | just wasnt thinking of it that way |
| 12:35.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
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| 12:38.51 | sgronblo | Is there a standard location to install software if you need to install from a binary release? |
| 12:39.09 | wiltave | how could i request a package to debian developers? |
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| 12:39.34 | alcohol | wiltave: you don't |
| 12:39.44 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: Dependencies in Debian have come to pull in lots of bloat. It's often easier to keep things installed and just disable them, than to keep them from getting installed. |
| 12:39.51 | wiltave | hum... why alcohol? |
| 12:39.53 | sgronblo | There is a bug in Lenny's Maven 2.0.9 version related to profiles. If I just download the 2.0.11 release from the official maven site where would it make sense to put it? |
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| 12:40.28 | alcohol | sgronblo: depends on what introduced the bug and if newer versions already fix it or not |
| 12:42.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | jelly i can't find it in rc2.d |
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| 12:42.18 | sgronblo | Well the 2.2.1 version I run locally does not seem to have the same bug. But I understood that trying to get maven from backports would need to pull in a lot of dependencies. |
| 12:42.45 | sgronblo | Would like to try to work around this specific bug as painlessly as possible. |
| 12:43.39 | jordanm | alcohol: you can |
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| 12:45.02 | jordanm | sgronblo: backports are usually requested on the backports mailing list, but not always possible because of those depends. new packages are filed in the form of RFP (request for packaging) bugs, and new version of an existing package are typically wishlist bugs filed against the package |
| 12:46.06 | sgronblo | jordanm: Ok, but what if I just download a slightly newer binary release of maven. Is there a standard location to put manually downloaded binary releases? |
| 12:46.26 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: that's good, isn't it ;-) |
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| 12:46.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think so |
| 12:46.56 | jordanm | sgronblo: /opt or /usr/local. it does not look like there is a bug report for the bug you are referring to. you might need to file one |
| 12:46.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | unless its being started by something else or something.? |
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| 12:47.26 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: I have it in rc[345].d as S24avahi-daemon. |
| 12:47.43 | jelly | perhaps you already disabled it like me |
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| 12:49.15 | sgronblo | jordanm: I think it's this one http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-3788 |
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| 12:50.43 | sgronblo | So /usr/local/share/maven2 for example? |
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| 12:53.06 | jordanm | sgronblo: typically, if the new software comes in a binary tarball, you install to /opt. if compiling, you compile with --prefix=/usr/local |
| 12:53.20 | sgronblo | jordanm: oh, thanks |
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| 13:02.10 | K0JIbKA | hi all |
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| 13:08.14 | derechtejohannes | hi is there a way to automatically shut down idle pci/pcie cards? |
| 13:09.24 | streuner | what should be the positive effect of this at all? |
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| 13:15.33 | LemensTS | im using this cmd to output that line, but what if i want to output 5 lines of what coems out: /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx 'sip show channels' |grep 'active SIP dialogs' |
| 13:16.06 | nsadmin | which 5 lines? |
| 13:16.08 | LemensTS | this outputs everything (like 10 lines) /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx 'sip show channels' |
| 13:16.15 | LemensTS | i want to output only 5 |
| 13:16.17 | LemensTS | the first 5 |
| 13:16.21 | nsadmin | man head |
| 13:16.28 | nsadmin | (and, man tail) |
| 13:16.50 | nsadmin | see that?? you got TWICE as much as you bargained for! |
| 13:16.51 | derechtejohannes | streuner do you mean shutting it down? |
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| 13:18.17 | petemc | LemensTS: you can also use the -C option to grep to print multiple lines |
| 13:19.17 | nsadmin | and now THREE TIMES what you bargained for! |
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| 13:19.50 | LemensTS | This isnt a file that im trying to get info out of, it is a cmd that outputs info to bash... |
| 13:20.01 | nsadmin | yes |
| 13:20.03 | petemc | that doesnt matter |
| 13:20.03 | LemensTS | ive tried head/tail now, and not seeming to be helping |
| 13:20.16 | LemensTS | ok maybe im typing it wrong |
| 13:20.29 | LemensTS | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.30 | nsadmin | when you wanted grep to filter, how did you get asterisk to talk to grep? |
| 13:20.35 | Night_Elf | LemensTS: but does the command give its output to standard output ? |
| 13:21.34 | LemensTS | http://pastebin.com/B0PzCkR3 |
| 13:21.56 | nsadmin | LemensTS: answer the question... |
| 13:21.58 | nsadmin | when you wanted grep to filter, how did you get asterisk to talk to grep? |
| 13:22.10 | LemensTS | just showing 2 lines right now...but id like to be able to do just 1 or 2, or whatever number |
| 13:22.43 | nsadmin | timeout... he isn't listening |
| 13:22.43 | sonicx | cmd | tail -n 10 for last 10 |
| 13:22.45 | LemensTS | Night_Elf/nsadmin: i think so |
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| 13:22.59 | Night_Elf | LemensTS: /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx 'sip show channels' | head -2 |
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| 13:23.11 | Night_Elf | LemensTS: that will give you the first two lines |
| 13:23.30 | Night_Elf | LemensTS: replace the number with another for as many lines you wish |
| 13:23.45 | LemensTS | Cool that works thanks guys |
| 13:24.17 | nsadmin | next time listen closer and try to understand more of the communication |
| 13:25.39 | nsadmin | as it stands you may or may not be coming away with the central point |
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| 13:28.04 | wieshka | hi there - i have some questions .... i have a server with two SATA disks - i want to install debian lenny on RAID1 |
| 13:28.19 | wieshka | i should make on each disk one big partition and make of them raid |
| 13:28.28 | wieshka | or i have to seprate firstly swap and /boot |
| 13:28.31 | wieshka | on disk |
| 13:28.35 | wieshka | ? |
| 13:28.39 | wieshka | or just only swap |
| 13:29.05 | wieshka | bacivly, my idea is to install RAID 1 over all disk |
| 13:29.05 | wieshka | then setup LVM |
| 13:29.09 | wieshka | with /boot, / , swap partitions |
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| 13:29.27 | nsadmin | if you want it simple, you will want one partition outside the raid, probably /boot |
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| 13:30.16 | wieshka | so i can split my 500 Gb disk in two partitions - ~100 mb and whole disk |
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| 13:30.27 | nsadmin | sure |
| 13:30.40 | wieshka | and whole disk put on raid |
| 13:30.48 | nsadmin | then the other one, can have just one partition |
| 13:30.48 | wieshka | and what abut swap |
| 13:30.53 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 13:30.58 | nsadmin | maybe 2 partitions. |
| 13:30.59 | wieshka | what about LVM over it ? |
| 13:31.29 | nsadmin | you can do lvm over the raid, OR you can do two separate PVs and add them to a single vg |
| 13:31.39 | nsadmin | if you do the latter you don't need raid |
| 13:31.44 | wieshka | so maybe i should make 20 Gb swap space, 100 mb /boot space and whole disk for / ? |
| 13:32.07 | nsadmin | I would -still- have swap and /boot separate to make it easy and avoid at least a few unexpected problems |
| 13:32.07 | wieshka | i am always so fucked up with partitions :D |
| 13:32.19 | wieshka | nsadmin: yeah - i already have them |
| 13:32.26 | wieshka | tried while disk raid + LVM |
| 13:32.31 | wieshka | boot fails |
| 13:33.06 | wieshka | hmmm, /boot i can make only on one disk |
| 13:33.13 | wieshka | so what to do to with other one / |
| 13:33.15 | wieshka | ? |
| 13:33.23 | wieshka | left empty space |
| 13:33.28 | wieshka | ? |
| 13:33.30 | nsadmin | just so you understand a somewhat different pov... I will -never- run lvm with one vg spanning more than one drive, and I will -never- run lvm on any raid other than full hardware raid |
| 13:33.42 | nsadmin | but that's just one man's vote, mine |
| 13:33.48 | wieshka | ok, thats clear for me now :) |
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| 13:34.07 | wieshka | so - now i should make 3 partitions on each disk |
| 13:34.15 | wieshka | one for / as raid1 |
| 13:34.24 | wieshka | one 20 Gb as swap (16gb ram) |
| 13:34.27 | nsadmin | take one of the disks |
| 13:34.54 | nsadmin | if you're using lvm over the raid, |
| 13:35.07 | nsadmin | then you'll pvcreate it |
| 13:35.19 | nsadmin | and then make a volume group to add it to |
| 13:35.42 | nsadmin | then you'll make LVs from that VG |
| 13:35.50 | nsadmin | and they'll live on the raid1 |
| 13:35.56 | wieshka | nsadmin: lets forgot LVM - i always have problem with it |
| 13:36.07 | wieshka | so just swap, /boot and / |
| 13:36.17 | wieshka | i must create them on both disks ? |
| 13:36.52 | nsadmin | doubtful, I think you could create /boot and swap on one drive, plus the raid partition |
| 13:37.00 | nsadmin | then on the other, a raid partition |
| 13:37.14 | wieshka | raid partition only |
| 13:37.16 | wieshka | ? |
| 13:37.29 | nsadmin | then, booting, you'd put grub on the first drive |
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| 13:37.48 | {g} | Good morning Debian People!! Im running javascript rendering software in Firefox. To make use of all 4 CPUs of my machine, I always create 4 different Linux users and run 4 instances of Firefox. One as each user. Is there an easier way to do that? |
| 13:37.54 | wieshka | yeah but with this partitioning i cant run raid in degraded mode |
| 13:37.58 | wieshka | i am correct ? |
| 13:38.09 | wieshka | if one disks fails |
| 13:38.53 | kornerr | {g}: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:39.16 | nsadmin | why can't you run degraded mode? |
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| 13:40.40 | mentor | {g}: Don't use Javascript to do high-performance computing? |
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| 13:42.44 | {g} | kornerr: at the moment i create the users with "useradd user1; useradd user2..." and then start FF with "su user1;./firefox &;exit;su user2;./firefox;exit...". because when i run 4 instances of FF as the same user, it will only use 1 CPU. |
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| 13:43.43 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 13:44.08 | mentor | {g}: You can run with -no-remote to stop it directing things to the already running process. |
| 13:44.13 | nsadmin | {g}: that doesn't create their homedir if that's exactly how you do it |
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| 13:44.30 | AlexC_ | I'm wanting to make a deb package of PHP (pure upstream version, no patches) with a custom configuration line - I can't find any docs out there on how I can do this. How do I change the configure line for when the package is built? |
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| 13:45.00 | nsadmin | look at an existing php package source |
| 13:45.09 | {g} | nsadmin: true. the users dont have a homedir. ff runs fine anyway. |
| 13:45.17 | mentor | AlexC_: There's extensive documentation on how to package on http://debian.org/ |
| 13:45.18 | {g} | mentor: that sounds interesting. let me try. |
| 13:45.36 | nsadmin | the configure call is probably in debian/rules |
| 13:45.40 | mentor | AlexC_: I would start from the current PHP source |
| 13:45.46 | mentor | AlexC_: package source |
| 13:45.53 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:46.04 | kornerr | {g}: why do you need 4 instances of FF? |
| 13:46.18 | AlexC_ | mentor: ok, I'll take a look at it - I did before but couldn't find out where they change the config line, but I'll take another look |
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| 13:46.39 | nsadmin | look at debian/rules |
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| 13:46.52 | nsadmin | they don't -change- the config line |
| 13:46.59 | mentor | AlexC_: Well, not all software has a configure, but the documentation certainly explains how packaging works |
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| 13:47.07 | nsadmin | they -invoke- ./configure with specific parameters |
| 13:47.15 | AlexC_ | mentor: going through them now - any in particular I should look at? |
| 13:47.24 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: ah ok, that makes sense. |
| 13:47.27 | mentor | Perhaps the new maintainer guide? |
| 13:47.55 | AlexC_ | I've been going through that, it misses a few things that make me go 'huh?' but I need to go through it for the 5th time to see again |
| 13:48.00 | nsadmin | which includes (by reference at least) the packaging manual |
| 13:48.24 | AlexC_ | one more thing - what should I call the package? php5-foobar? foobar being our company name |
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| 13:48.48 | {g} | kornerr: i dont. but i want to make use of all 4 CPUs. And one instance only uses 1 CPU. |
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| 13:50.48 | nsadmin | the usage of the cpus is controlled by the kernel |
| 13:52.13 | Trewas | {g}: how do you get firefox to use so much cpu that making it use all 4 cpus makes a difference? |
| 13:52.14 | Vroomfondle | I imagine FF's javascript engine is single-threaded |
| 13:52.20 | {g} | mentor: when I try -no-remote FF then says "FF is already running" and refuses to start. |
| 13:53.28 | Trewas | you probably need to have separate profiles to run several FF processes as the same user |
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| 13:54.25 | {g} | ok |
| 13:54.47 | {g} | then its easier to me to create linux users because i already know how to do that. |
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| 13:57.23 | babilen | ,info libcobra-java |
| 13:57.24 | judd | libcobra-java (utils, optional): Java HTML Renderer & Parser. Version: 0.98.2-2; Size: 1769.4k; Installed: 16204k; Homepage: http://html.xamjwg.org/cobra.jsp |
| 13:57.33 | babilen | {g}: Might be worth a look |
| 13:58.13 | babilen | {g}: I'm sure there are other standalone renderer that you can use |
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| 13:59.52 | babilen | {g}: Ah, that might not actually be what you want. |
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| 14:03.42 | wieshka | Need help - after unsuccesfull partitioning during last install of debian - no instalaltions shows no any disk |
| 14:03.49 | wieshka | suggestions what to do ? |
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| 14:05.43 | wieshka | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1m count=x should help me ? |
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| 14:09.08 | {g} | Trewas: heavy number crunching :9 |
| 14:09.22 | AlexC_ | I'm creating a custom PHP5 package for our company with different configure line - what should I call it? php5foobar, php5-foobar, with 'foobar' being our company name? |
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| 14:10.36 | jordanm | AlexC_: you just need a custom version string in the debian/changelog |
| 14:11.02 | jordanm | you don't need an entirely new package, which would likely break things that depend on php5 |
| 14:12.00 | Trewas | {g}: with firefox? I wasn't aware that javascript is really used for that kind of things :) |
| 14:12.55 | {g} | Trewas: i use it :) |
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| 14:14.02 | Trewas | {g}: have you tried chrome (or chromium, or whatever the linux version is called)? that's supposed to be faster with javascript |
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| 14:14.45 | babilen | {g}: Or a different programming language? |
| 14:14.48 | AlexC_ | jordanm: it's quite a controlled environment and if I did it this way, it would mean I'd have to create custom version of all php5- packages, since I'm compling 5.3.3 |
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| 14:15.21 | AlexC_ | jordanm: this new package would containing everything that our company needs. The only reason I'm making a package is so I don't have to have build-essentials and other dev tools installed on our production server |
| 14:15.42 | {g} | Trewas: i tried it, yes. the problem is that drawImage() uses a strange antialiasing in chrome. and that chrome never survives several days of heavy calculations. it always crashes. |
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| 14:17.42 | Trewas | {g}: hehe |
| 14:17.52 | jordanm | AlexC_: I don't understand the logic. how does renaming the package to something different work around the need to also redo the other php packages? |
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| 14:18.04 | jordanm | AlexC_: you can't mix and match 5.2 with 5.3 |
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| 14:18.22 | AlexC_ | jordanm: that's exactly my point - if would have to recreate /all/ existing packages if I did it this way |
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| 14:18.42 | jordanm | AlexC_: eg. if you run lenny's php5-mysql with your php 5.3, it will break |
| 14:19.04 | AlexC_ | jordanm: yes, we wouldn't run php5-mysql, or any php5-* package |
| 14:19.37 | jordanm | AlexC_: they all come from the same source package? its not like you have to create 10 different source packages |
| 14:20.03 | jordanm | AlexC_: well, then it sounds like you are creating an entirely new package, instead of modifying and recompiling the existing |
| 14:20.10 | AlexC_ | jordanm: correct I am |
| 14:20.40 | AlexC_ | I just don't know what to call it =) 'php5foobar' would suffice? |
| 14:20.42 | dp | this may not be a debian specific question; I'm trying to install the latest stable amd64 on a 6016T-6F SuperMicro server with 2 SAS drives, and 1 SATA drive. Everytime the installer gets to detecting disks, it says that there are no disks found, and prompts me to select a driver. Does anyone know what driver I need, and how I can get it for install? |
| 14:20.56 | jordanm | AlexC_: I would have taken a different approach |
| 14:22.12 | AlexC_ | jordanm: I'm open to suggestions |
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| 14:23.09 | jordanm | AlexC_: backport the existing 5.3 source package from squeeze, add a custom version string, modify compile flags as needed |
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| 14:23.34 | wieshka | How long will take 500 Gb wiping with DD from busybox ? |
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| 14:23.50 | AlexC_ | wieshka: depends on hardware |
| 14:23.58 | wieshka | aprox ? |
| 14:23.58 | wieshka | \ |
| 14:24.20 | wieshka | 8 core CPU, 16 GB, seagate server enterprise HDDs - SATA |
| 14:24.41 | wieshka | i am just having bad partitions tables, that even debian instal cannot read them |
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| 14:24.44 | wieshka | so i cant make my own |
| 14:24.47 | wieshka | so i need wiping |
| 14:24.50 | AlexC_ | jordanm: the trouble is, we keep up to date with the PHP version as soon as it's released |
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| 14:26.41 | jordanm | AlexC_: usually people like tested and proven stable for business.... but whatever fits your needs. Then just yank the debian/ directory |
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| 14:27.41 | jelly | wieshka: you don't need to wipe the whole disk to get rid of partition tables, just the beginning. |
| 14:28.23 | AlexC_ | jordanm: thanks, I'll take a look at that |
| 14:29.53 | Night_Elf | jelly: deleting partitions with fdisk or an equivalent, will this not get rid of the partition tables too ? |
| 14:30.13 | AlexC_ | jordanm: one thing I saw you mention; the php5-* packages are all built from the same source package, correct? |
| 14:31.36 | jordanm | AlexC_: yes, apt-cache showsrc php5 |
| 14:32.08 | jelly | Night_Elf: wieshka is gone already, no way to find out what they were really trying to do |
| 14:33.23 | jelly | Night_Elf: fdisk only knows about a limited number of partition table formats, I've no idea if that would have worked |
| 14:33.32 | OpenTokix | damn piece of shit networkmanager... |
| 14:33.41 | Night_Elf | jelly: ah. oh well, but at any rate, I'd think that if one just wants to get rid of the partition tables, deleting the current partitions and saving, then recreating some new partitions, would create new partition tables. To what I know, all this. |
| 14:33.43 | esaym153 | is there anyway to use the non free virtualbox in unstable? |
| 14:33.52 | AlexC_ | jordanm: interesting, ok |
| 14:34.04 | esaym153 | like are you able to compile the drivers? I know you can with the free ose version |
| 14:35.10 | jordanm | AlexC_: apt-rdepends --reverse php5; will give you an idea of applications you will be breaking with the backport |
| 14:36.48 | dp | this may not be a debian specific question; I'm trying to install the latest stable amd64 on a 6016T-6F SuperMicro server with 2 SAS drives, and 1 SATA drive. Everytime the installer gets to detecting disks, it says that there are no disks found, and prompts me to select a driver. Does anyone know what driver I need, and how I can get it for install? |
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| 14:37.30 | jordanm | !tell dp about kmuto |
| 14:38.37 | dp | blargh. why doesn't it have a more up to date kernel? |
| 14:38.42 | dp | that's just insane |
| 14:38.44 | dp | but thanks |
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| 14:45.08 | AlexC_ | jordanm: that's ok, we don't use any of them. However, if I was to use Squeeze version of php5-* packages, would it break still? |
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| 14:49.21 | jpx | u install from net install or cd? |
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| 14:51.15 | jordanm | AlexC_: I would assume. when php5.3 first came down the pipe to squeeze, there were many people in here with broken applications |
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| 14:51.40 | jordanm | AlexC_: not because of packaging, but because of the 5.2->5.3 differences |
| 14:52.00 | AlexC_ | jordanm: makes sense, though we don't use any of those apps that depend on PHP so we're all good. Was just pondering |
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| 14:53.54 | iluminator101 | Hi, after i upgraded my kernel my encrypted /home partition does not auto mount, how do i make it automount |
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| 14:58.59 | AlexC_ | why by default can 'others' read the Apache2 config files? |
| 14:59.06 | samruger | i just installed debian for the first time and i cant seem to connect to any ap, the ap's show up in the list but it wont connect, my phone connects just fine |
| 14:59.19 | samruger | any ideas? |
| 14:59.34 | thewanderer1 | samruger: you need firmware. |
| 15:00.22 | kornerr | wow. |
| 15:00.35 | thewanderer1 | samruger: otherwise, if you're running Debian Testing with KDE - this is your bad :P |
| 15:00.49 | kornerr | I've just found out I have only /usr/local/bin in my bash script's PATH ! |
| 15:00.53 | kornerr | wtf ! |
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| 15:03.09 | samruger | im running 505, i did the netinstall |
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| 15:03.31 | del_diablo | Debian testing: I am running gnome with openbox, but it does not use the corret config. There is nothing valid in the manpages, why is it not loading the config files in my home dir? |
| 15:04.23 | thewanderer1 | samruger: look up your WiFi card in `lspci` command |
| 15:06.26 | samruger | lsusb, its a laptop, its an rtl8187 chipset |
| 15:06.28 | cahoot | samruger: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 15:07.26 | esaym153 | what is the right kernal for squeeze? I have: 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 15:07.35 | stew | if he didn't have firmware, would he be able to see other aps? |
| 15:07.56 | thewanderer1 | esaym153: trunk is not the correct one. |
| 15:07.59 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels |
| 15:08.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 15:08.18 | esaym153 | thewanderer1: how the heck did this get on my system??? |
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| 15:08.27 | esaym153 | I always run testing... |
| 15:08.29 | thewanderer1 | esaym153: you weren't updating :P |
| 15:08.36 | esaym153 | thewanderer1: I am trying to update now... |
| 15:08.46 | thewanderer1 | it was removed months ago from testing |
| 15:08.50 | esaym153 | ... |
| 15:09.15 | esaym153 | how to update? it seems apt thinks "trunk" is newer than "-5" |
| 15:09.15 | rgr | esaym153: it was removed but no one had the sense to make update group move it .... you need to manually rmeove it |
| 15:09.30 | esaym153 | ... |
| 15:09.37 | thewanderer1 | esaym153: just install the proper kernel and remove this one |
| 15:09.45 | rgr | cd /boot and sudo rm *trunk* |
| 15:09.52 | thewanderer1 | ^ no :P |
| 15:10.03 | rgr | you cant rmeove it becuase it vanished from the repos |
| 15:10.08 | thewanderer1 | ^ false |
| 15:10.11 | stew | rgr: why not just remove the package? |
| 15:10.26 | rgr | maybe my package was screwed. I couldnt. But yes, if you can even better. |
| 15:10.29 | zophy | does debian have internet explorer 8 ? |
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| 15:10.43 | rgr | try ie4linux |
| 15:10.52 | thewanderer1 | ies4linux, to be precise |
| 15:11.00 | esaym153 | hmm linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 IS installed but yet it boots off the other? |
| 15:11.10 | iluminator101 | Hi, after i upgraded my kernel my encrypted /home partition does not auto mount, how do i make it automount |
| 15:11.25 | thewanderer1 | esaym153: apparently trunk is higher in the menu |
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| 15:11.34 | rgr | the trunk ones are at the top. |
| 15:11.45 | rgr | that caught lots of people I bet |
| 15:12.02 | rgr | I wonder how many "testing" headless serves are running hte old trunk kernels ... |
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| 15:12.42 | esaym153 | possibly millions.... |
| 15:12.59 | cahoot | rgr: you probably mean hedless admins |
| 15:13.17 | esaym153 | where is a good wiki page to add this info at? |
| 15:13.45 | rgr | no, headless systems where they didnt see the new boot sequence. Its not unreasonable to see a newkernel install and assume it becaome the nes default as has always been the way unless you manually set the grub menu options. |
| 15:14.04 | thewanderer1 | esaym153: this doesn't really seem relevant now, the issue is long gone from Debian |
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| 15:14.11 | rgr | thewanderer1: not it isnt. |
| 15:14.23 | rgr | not==no ... |
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| 15:15.09 | ewet | hi, is there a "service --list" (redhat) in debian? like list-rc.d or something? |
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| 15:15.30 | stew | ewet: ls /etc/init.d ? |
| 15:16.34 | ewet | oh it's chkconfig btw.. stew: something that's showing which runlevel daemons are running in? |
| 15:16.45 | ewet | oh wait.. debian doesn't use runlevels right.. |
| 15:17.07 | stew | ls /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 15:17.14 | stew | and yes, debian uses runlevels |
| 15:17.16 | iluminator101 | Hi, after i upgraded my kernel my encrypted /home partition does not auto mount, how do i make it automount |
| 15:17.44 | ewet | stew, oh, I see thanks.. |
| 15:17.47 | stew | ewet: you might want to use a tool like "update-rc.d" to change what starts at which runlevel, or there are higher level tools like rcconf |
| 15:17.55 | iluminator101 | home is a different partition |
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| 15:18.29 | nsadmin | different than what? |
| 15:18.40 | ewet | stew, yeah I know .. I just lost the debian way for a moment ;) (too much redhat lately I suppose..) |
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| 15:18.50 | iluminator101 | http://debian.pastebin.com/ZVEgRMSM |
| 15:19.17 | iluminator101 | home is in a different partition / and /home different partition |
| 15:19.40 | nsadmin | oh ok, btw that's generally a good idea |
| 15:20.31 | iluminator101 | i had no problem whatever on the day this happened i said out loud you know my system is running immaculately |
| 15:20.47 | nsadmin | if your old kernel was mounting properly, why are you changing kernels? |
| 15:21.10 | jelly | debhelper: test |
| 15:21.23 | iluminator101 | apt suggested i change kernel |
| 15:21.41 | nsadmin | what happens when you run the original kernel? |
| 15:22.17 | nsadmin | are you saying there was no existing problem you were trying to solve by changing the kernel? |
| 15:22.43 | jordanm | he might be referring to the recent lenny security update? |
| 15:23.10 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, yes no existing problem, it was a routine update and upgrade that went bad,apt ate the old kernel |
| 15:23.16 | karlpinc | Odd. "aptitude safe-upgrade" suddenly started outputting everything in upper case after it said "Preconfiguring packages ...". I wonder what's up with that? |
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| 15:23.49 | nsadmin | upgrades are very often extreme actions... having said that I'll move on... |
| 15:24.02 | nsadmin | what happens when you try to run the original kernel? |
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| 15:24.33 | iluminator101 | ecryptfs-mount-private |
| 15:24.34 | iluminator101 | Enter your login passphrase: |
| 15:24.34 | iluminator101 | Inserted auth tok with sig [9d0da000b85c61cf] into the user session keyring |
| 15:24.34 | iluminator101 | open: Read-only file system |
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| 15:25.38 | nsadmin | that's what happens when you try to run the original kernel? |
| 15:25.57 | nsadmin | i.e., the problem shows up on that kernel too? |
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| 15:26.34 | iluminator101 | i dont think old kernel is there |
| 15:26.41 | iluminator101 | how do i check if the old kernel is there |
| 15:26.45 | iluminator101 | http://debian.pastebin.com/TRL7EpZe |
| 15:26.56 | dj_una | how do i flush my DNS cache? and can i do it without any internet services is effected? |
| 15:27.19 | jelly | dj_una: which dns cache are you using? |
| 15:27.28 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, i can mount encrypted /home from a livecd....but i dont know how to make automount when reboot |
| 15:27.36 | dj_una | jelly default debian? i dont know, lol. im new to debian |
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| 15:28.27 | jelly | dj_una: oh, in that case you don't have one |
| 15:28.29 | cahoot | dj_una: what's the problem you want to solve? |
| 15:28.46 | iluminator101 | nsadmin after kernel i upgrade i got this error iceauthority could not update status error 256, i did some chown commands and was able to get back into gnome |
| 15:29.14 | dj_una | jelly rlly? |
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| 15:32.01 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, how do i change access data permission so user can access it http://debian.pastebin.com/6LHnRH8D |
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| 15:32.30 | stew | dj_una: some appliactions (like iceweasel) might keep their own dns cache. but there isn't a systemwide one unless you installed a caching nameserver yourself |
| 15:32.47 | thewanderer1 | dj_una: yes, it's not Windows :P |
| 15:32.49 | iluminator101 | nsadmin the other kernel is gone |
| 15:32.56 | jelly | or nscd or a nscd replacement. In any case, there's not one by default |
| 15:33.01 | iluminator101 | i only this newer kernel |
| 15:33.19 | iluminator101 | i just need to give user permission to access data file? |
| 15:33.26 | dj_una | i see |
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| 15:40.26 | Number5 | hello guys, does anyone know how to get a usb2eth working on Lenny? |
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| 15:45.54 | GBGames | Is there an easy way to tell synaptic to install the testing version of some software when my main system is stable? |
| 15:46.09 | GBGames | I want CMake 2.8, but stable currently has 2.6. |
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| 15:47.30 | magyar_ | hi all |
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| 15:47.45 | thewanderer1 | GBGames: aptitude -t testing install cmake, I don't know about synaptic |
| 15:48.10 | magyar_ | if I do chattr +u test for a folder, should I be still able to delete it? |
| 15:48.15 | fjfalcon | Hello all, can someone help me with mdadm, i accidently added /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1, now in mdadm --detail i get /dev/sda in spare. How to remove it? |
| 15:48.34 | Night_Elf | But is mixing distro versions a good idea? Dependencies? and different versions of cascaded dependencies ? |
| 15:49.03 | thewanderer1 | it might not be a *good* idea, but it is an *easy* idea |
| 15:49.10 | jelly | Night_Elf: it's not a good idea. |
| 15:49.21 | jelly | !tell Night_Elf about backports |
| 15:49.24 | jelly | !tell Night_Elf about bpo |
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| 15:49.37 | glodime | thewanderer1, easy in the short run.... |
| 15:49.39 | GBGames | thewanderer1: Ok, but that requires me to update my apt/sources.list file, and then I have to figure out how to make sure that it doesn't update everything to testing. I guess there is no easy way other than searching for apt.conf.d configs to do it. |
| 15:50.15 | Night_Elf | tell GBGames about backports |
| 15:50.23 | Night_Elf | tell GBGames about bpo |
| 15:50.27 | thewanderer1 | GBGames: you can use apt pinning to prevent your system from upgrading everything to testing - but still, it's safer to backport on your own or use backports if available |
| 15:50.35 | GBGames | I'm msging dpkg, but thanks |
| 15:50.50 | GBGames | I'll look into cmake backports. |
| 15:50.51 | GBGames | Thanks! |
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| 15:53.51 | pocket_ | Hello. |
| 15:54.35 | pocket_ | Does anyone know how to connect internet with I-OData WN-G54/CB3L wireless pc card? |
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| 15:55.03 | jordanm | pocket_: what is the pciid? lspci -nn |
| 15:55.13 | jordanm | the card doesn't really help, its the chip that matters |
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| 15:55.33 | pocket_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.32 | jordanm | ,pciid 168c:0013 |
| 15:56.32 | judd | [168c:0013] is 'Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0013 http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 15:56.42 | roler | what package installs php5-ssh support? I am trying that as well as libssh2-php which doesn't exist |
| 15:56.55 | jordanm | pocket_: should work fine out of the box. |
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| 15:58.05 | iluminator101 | question is home user permission 740 or 750 ??? |
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| 15:58.25 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: 750 |
| 15:58.27 | pocket_ | judd: Thanks! |
| 15:58.38 | iluminator101 | thanks thewanderer1 |
| 15:58.55 | nsadmin | iluminator101: compare the bits of the two |
| 15:59.38 | iluminator101 | hmm.... |
| 15:59.39 | nsadmin | iluminator101 given the difference (the xor) is 010, what bit is that? |
| 16:00.02 | nsadmin | what effect would that bit have? |
| 16:00.45 | nsadmin | if you're not sure what the name of the bit is, check the coreutils docs under file permissions |
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| 16:01.18 | nsadmin | maybe that document also has what effect that bit would have on a directory versus its effect on a file |
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| 16:01.27 | karlpinc | roler: apt-file might help, or not. |
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| 16:01.47 | quhan | is there someone recommends me some software to monitor the data transfer? |
| 16:02.03 | pocket_ | I read above document's and I change my configure file. |
| 16:02.06 | karlpinc | quhan: tcpdump? wireshark? |
| 16:02.25 | del_diablo | Openbox does not use the default /etc config, nor the default ~/ config. Its running some config, how do I find out where that config is located? |
| 16:02.54 | quhan | karlpinc: I want know what a software in my computer sends to the server and what it receive |
| 16:02.57 | pocket_ | But there is no infomation about /etc/modules. I must edit /etc/modules ? |
| 16:04.28 | iluminator101 | i am just trying to give user iluminator101 read write to this file Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop located in /home/iluminator101...i tried this didnt work chmod 750 Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop |
| 16:05.33 | del_diablo | If I want help, where should I ask? |
| 16:06.26 | iluminator101 | furthmore the link between /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-/home/iluminator101.desktop to Access-Your-Private.Data.desktop is broken |
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| 16:07.33 | iluminator101 | can someone please help change the permission so user can access Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop ? |
| 16:08.13 | del_diablo | iluminator101: What do you know about chown and chmod? |
| 16:09.19 | iluminator101 | i find that confusing i know 777 is all |
| 16:09.21 | karlpinc | quhan: Those programs tell you everything that passes over the wire. You can then filter to get what you want. |
| 16:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | del_diablo, it usese ~/.config/openbox on my machine. you can always strace -f -F -eopen it |
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| 16:11.55 | iluminator101 | actually i need a good primer on permission link me up |
| 16:12.05 | stew | iluminator101: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 16:12.24 | stew | iluminator101: check the owner of the file |
| 16:12.34 | iluminator101 | stews owner is root |
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| 16:12.53 | iluminator101 | stew owner is root |
| 16:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, you can always use chmod a+r or chmod a+rw etc. |
| 16:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, your owner is root! |
| 16:13.18 | stew | iluminator101: is there a reason it is owned by root instead of the user that needs read/write access? |
| 16:13.53 | iluminator101 | permissions got messed up when i upgraded the kernel |
| 16:14.46 | stew | iluminator101: it would be a big stretch to think that upgrading a kernel changed any permissions in your home directory |
| 16:15.24 | quhan | karlpinc: thanks |
| 16:15.31 | iluminator101 | i did it myself then.... |
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| 16:16.12 | rgr | if all you know is 777 I guess there is a good chance you did .... |
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| 16:17.10 | iluminator101 | i am working on improving my linux skills, but for now i need to access my files in /home can someone please help me |
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| 16:17.45 | del_diablo | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks |
| 16:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop" |
| 16:18.15 | rgr | you mean /home/youruser |
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| 16:18.45 | rgr | do "cd /home && ls -al". What do you see? |
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| 16:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't paste it here! |
| 16:20.30 | iluminator101 | CutMeOwnThroat, access-you-* is the file that unencrypts the /home |
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| 16:20.53 | iluminator101 | unencrypts /hom/iluminator101 private folder |
| 16:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, encryption |
| 16:21.14 | rgr | iluminator101: you might as well give up now. |
| 16:21.37 | iluminator101 | never, failure is never an option |
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| 16:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand why people who do not feel secure in their knowledge about these things choose so complicated setups... |
| 16:22.13 | rgr | it is when you havent a clue about permissions and you are talking about a hosed permissions encrypted file system and there is noone sat next to you that knows his stuff ... |
| 16:22.49 | rgr | its to keep their contact db "secret" ;) |
| 16:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I am new to linux and I want to set up an encrypted lvm on a RAID5 with hot-swapping disks every other day"..... |
| 16:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 16:22.52 | iluminator101 | CutMeOwnThroat, i know i went over my head |
| 16:22.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 16:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, nothing against you... but *I* avoid encrypting $HOME or even lvm because I fear the consequences I'll have on any mess up or partial disk-ailure |
| 16:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | failure* |
| 16:24.27 | iluminator101 | i can access the data from livecd....but i dont know how automount it like was before |
| 16:25.38 | rgr | even without encryption getting stuff out of an LVM in case of boot falure is an excercise in squeaky bum control ... |
| 16:26.03 | del_diablo | "*command* | dd of=~/file" equals "*command* < ~/file"? If yes, why do I not get anything inside my file with either command? |
| 16:26.45 | jhutchins_lt | So there was another update to 2.6.26-2.686 today that didn't increment the package version number. |
| 16:27.11 | jhutchins_lt | How do I figure out if one is availble for 2.6.32 if the version numbetr doesn't change? |
| 16:27.14 | karlpinc | del_diablo: No. |
| 16:27.29 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: that's impossible. Do you mean the package _name_ didn't change? |
| 16:27.45 | del_diablo | karlpinc: > instead of <? |
| 16:27.52 | jelly | ,versions linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:27.53 | judd | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26-24; lenny-security: 2.6.26-24lenny1 |
| 16:28.14 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: "2.6.26-24lenny1" is the package version. |
| 16:28.21 | jhutchins_lt | lenny1 then, ok. |
| 16:28.49 | jelly | !spank jhutchins_lt |
| 16:28.49 | dpkg | bends jhutchins_lt over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:29.08 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: So there is NOT an update for the bpo? |
| 16:29.11 | karlpinc | del_diablo: Yes. But that's a strange use of dd. You don't get anything because your command does not produce anything on stdout. You'll find the > redirection stuff documented in man bash. |
| 16:29.13 | jhutchins_lt | Yet? |
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| 16:29.38 | karlpinc | del_diablo: You might want 2> instead of > |
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| 16:29.44 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: bpo isn't really covered by the security team |
| 16:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dd reads from stdin if you don't give it an if=? |
| 16:30.03 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: Thats what the man page says. |
| 16:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, indeed |
| 16:30.12 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: where else? |
| 16:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, dunno! never wasted a thought on it before |
| 16:30.31 | del_diablo | karlpinc: Thanks |
| 16:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, I see... you use dd instead of cat |
| 16:31.01 | karlpinc | jelly: It's _supposed_ to have a "do what I want" flag, but that's been put off since 1975. |
| 16:31.12 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Should I reboot my servers to load the security patch? |
| 16:31.20 | jelly | karlpinc: GNU dd will implement it RSN |
| 16:31.40 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: very likely. |
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| 16:32.43 | jhutchins_lt | digs out his "at" notes. |
| 16:35.49 | jimcooncat | oh, I just got bit hard. I didn't realize that I couldn't share apt-cacher with both Debian and Ubuntu. Any suggestions to replace apt-cacher? maybe squid? |
| 16:36.09 | del_diablo | http://www.fpaste.org/obvt/ Hmmmm, CutMeOwnThroat I do not think it listed anything here except the "obligatori" parts. So can I get some more help to track down where openbox is hiddening its config files? |
| 16:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | del_diablo, not --reconfigure - what are you trying to do?! |
| 16:37.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought you run strace -f -F -eopen openbox .... |
| 16:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no --reconfigure flag to openbox? |
| 16:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's obconf |
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| 16:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | del_diablo: Um, dpkg -L openbox? |
| 16:39.31 | jhutchins_lt | del_diablo: | grep conf? |
| 16:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, doesn't yield the ones in $HOME... but I already said where those are on lenny... |
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| 16:41.05 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Should yeild anything installed and not generated. |
| 16:41.46 | jhutchins_lt | but yeah, ~/.whatever wouldn't be listed, and $HOME is getting a bit crowded with those these days. |
| 16:41.47 | del_diablo | CutMeOwnThroat: Ran with just openbox, did not yield a config either T.T |
| 16:42.05 | jhutchins_lt | del_diablo: You _are_ checking for hidden dotfiles? |
| 16:42.13 | del_diablo | Yes I am sir |
| 16:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | del_diablo, well... did you already have a WM running? |
| 16:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | del_diablo, openbox exits if it detects that there's already another WM active... |
| 16:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need to run it on a display that doesn'T already have an active window manager... |
| 16:43.32 | del_diablo | Already replaced it |
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| 16:43.43 | del_diablo | Openbox Its running on my display now |
| 16:43.58 | del_diablo | (--replace option) |
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| 16:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm quite sure it's in ~/.config/openbox/ |
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| 16:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's menu.xml and rc.xml in there... or should be |
| 16:44.58 | dj_una | I've got a problem with my FTP user, which cant edit files which it is in group with. How do i check whether what user is in what group? :) |
| 16:45.10 | del_diablo | I already got one of those at that location, and that is what is bothering me. They are not being used T.T |
| 16:45.35 | stew | dj_una: "groups username" will list which groups a user is a member of |
| 16:47.01 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 16:47.59 | antgel | grr, this box won't boot with squeeze / grub2. "file not found". have booted from ubuntu live cd and will provide more info as soon as mdadm installed (need to get the raid up) |
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| 16:51.46 | antgel | hopefully https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD will do the job even though it's ubuntu-specific |
| 16:52.02 | jelly | antgel: if your /boot is on md raid, note that grub2 only supports md metadata 0.9 and 1.0 |
| 16:52.30 | jelly | and the 1.0 support is like a month old |
| 16:52.35 | jordanm | does grub-legacy support /boot on raid at all? |
| 16:52.50 | antgel | jelly: o_O. should i care? i don't know anything about md metadata |
| 16:52.54 | antgel | jordanm: yes |
| 16:53.00 | sssslang | hi, there. squeeze got a big update these days? |
| 16:53.21 | jelly | antgel: /proc/mdstat will tell you what got used, and I _think_ the default in squeeze is 1.2 |
| 16:53.55 | antgel | jelly: that sucks. although the other machine downstairs appears to be working |
| 16:54.10 | antgel | jelly: i install grub to the individual drives as well as the md0 - don't know if that helps |
| 16:54.13 | jelly | don't trust me tho |
| 16:54.24 | jordanm | !tell sssslang about moving target |
| 16:55.04 | jordanm | sssslang: squeeze is frozen, but there will still be constant updates as they try to prepare it for release |
| 16:55.15 | jordanm | that factoid actually was not appropriate for the question... |
| 16:55.29 | jelly | antgel: I'll refrain from further comments until you get it up and we can see /proc/mdstat |
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| 16:56.41 | sssslang | jordanm: thank you. i thought there's a new codename for testing, but got squeeze still. |
| 16:56.56 | jordanm | sssslang: yes, squeeze is still testing |
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| 16:58.47 | sssslang | jordanm: i'm debian newbie. i thought debian would update continually like gentoo. now my system got wired after yesterday's upgrade. |
| 16:59.27 | sphenxes | I have installed citadel (server and client). My question: how can I log on. i have tried, http://127.0.0.1:8504 then :2000. i get an error: Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:8504.How can I log on CITADEL? |
| 17:00.42 | sssslang | jordanm: so set target to testing but squeeze in source.list is not recommend, right? |
| 17:01.36 | antgel | great. update-grub produces grub-probe: error: no such disk |
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| 17:02.08 | antgel | ah, and i can see that in /dev/disk/by-id, the ids are different to in /boot/grub/device.map |
| 17:02.11 | antgel | wow |
| 17:02.31 | antgel | i hope this isn't some weird ubuntu / debian kernel thing (remember i'm running an ubuntu live cd) |
| 17:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, what did /usr/share/doc/citadel-server/README.Debian tell you to do? |
| 17:03.05 | antgel | /boot/grub/device.map has /dev/disk/by-id/ata-MAXTOR_STM380211-6PS16Q1W |
| 17:03.17 | sphenxes | CutMeOwnThroat, i will take a look |
| 17:03.28 | antgel | whereas ls /dev/disk/by-id/ contains ata-MAXTOR_STM380211AS-6PS16Q1W |
| 17:03.32 | antgel | (note the extra AS) |
| 17:03.35 | antgel | any comments? |
| 17:03.40 | jelly | could be the kernel |
| 17:03.48 | jelly | and/or udev rules |
| 17:04.42 | antgel | shit |
| 17:05.04 | antgel | i edited device.map, no difference. i'm just going to try and get grub-legacy to work now, i'm sick of this |
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| 17:06.02 | sphenxes | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
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| 17:07.18 | jelly | antgel: you did not say what your md looked like. |
| 17:07.41 | jelly | also, grub-legacy uses some of the same scripts from grub-common, now |
| 17:07.56 | antgel | jelly: argh, grub-probe: error: no such disk |
| 17:08.23 | antgel | jelly: my raid-1 is recovering. no mention of any 1.2, 0.9 etc. |
| 17:08.29 | jelly | indeedy, dpkg -S `which grub-probe` |
| 17:08.47 | jelly | antgel: pastebin /proc/mdstat |
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| 17:09.22 | antgel | jelly: yes, grub-common. not going to pastebin now, no GUI on that machine - painful |
| 17:09.32 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 17:09.32 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728). |
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| 17:10.30 | jelly | antgel: if there's no mentioned, it's the old format 0.9, this is good as it's the best known one |
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| 17:11.34 | jelly | er, most well-known. |
| 17:14.14 | antgel | okay, who wants to laugh? i tried grub legacy, it failed. then installed lilo, and it claimed to work. just rebooted and grub-legacy has booted. :D |
| 17:14.25 | antgel | i don't know what happened but i'm not moaning |
| 17:14.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... as you wish |
| 17:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal antgel |
| 17:14.59 | dpkg | points at antgel and laughs hysterically |
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| 17:16.07 | Shad0VV | aptitude or apt-get???i was long time away from debian but now im back |
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| 17:20.58 | glodime | thought aptitude was advised |
| 17:21.09 | simonrvn | aptitude |
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| 17:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dselect |
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| 17:27.06 | rozie | wajig |
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| 17:27.40 | Shad0VV | is there any .img to load it in usb and start installation? |
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| 17:29.41 | jordanm | !tell Shad0VV about usb install |
| 17:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 17:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 17:29.57 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 17:30.25 | Shad0VV | thnx |
| 17:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, kmuto has usb images... |
| 17:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !install debian |
| 17:30.39 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 17:31.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is actually more confusing than helpful... |
| 17:31.08 | Shad0VV | im already in linux machine |
| 17:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | do the regular debian servers have pre-made images for usb sticks? |
| 17:31.21 | Shad0VV | so i prefer dd method if there is .img |
| 17:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that wasn't my point :) |
| 17:32.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, that would be the boot.img.gz under hd-media? |
| 17:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess so... |
| 17:33.10 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but you need to add an iso to the image after you copy it to the drive |
| 17:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... I know - I just wondered if those are them - on the kmuto website it was labeled in a more obvious way ... at least if you had a stick |
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| 17:36.26 | Shad0VV | CutMeOwnThroat, i prefer usb image |
| 17:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Shad0VV -about kmuto |
| 17:36.42 | Shad0VV | but i dont see any img in debian servers |
| 17:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shad0VV, as I just said... it's labeled hd-image when you go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer |
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| 17:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shad0VV, you might need the kmuto ones if you have more recent hardware that needs a newer kernel or install via wireless, though |
| 17:39.41 | quhan | Hello, I want install kopete by "apt-get source" method, but I get the whole kdenetwork, How could I make kopete.deb only? |
| 17:40.21 | rozie | quhan: take a look at debian/rules |
| 17:40.38 | rozie | but it will be easier to compile all and choose one |
| 17:41.54 | quhan | does it take more time to compile all ? |
| 17:43.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | more time than what... you finding out how you have to modify debian/rules? |
| 17:43.35 | quhan | I found "DEB_FIXPERMS_EXCLUDE := usr/bin/kppp" |
| 17:43.49 | jelly | quhan: which debian release are you using? Why are you trying to backport kopete? |
| 17:44.38 | quhan | does it mean exclude kppp, or no? |
| 17:44.53 | quhan | CutMeOwnThroat: does it mean exclude kppp, or no? |
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| 17:45.31 | quhan | jelly: sid. I change the code of some protocols |
| 17:45.34 | stuckey | Which packages do I need to install after installation if I don't want a DE but instead wmii? |
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| 17:46.09 | jelly | quhan: just let it build everything |
| 17:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like a plan |
| 17:47.05 | jelly | quhan: don't forget a nice local changelog entry so you know it's a local build |
| 17:47.34 | stuckey | wmii is a window manager |
| 17:47.46 | stuckey | But you can't just aptitude install wmii -- that isn't enough. |
| 17:48.08 | quhan | jelly: but the other package like kppp etc. is no useful for me |
| 17:48.18 | jelly | quhan: who cares |
| 17:48.29 | jelly | they'll get built and you'll ignore them |
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| 17:49.03 | stuckey | No one knows? |
| 17:49.42 | quhan | jelly: is there some docs tell me how to ignore them? |
| 17:49.46 | jelly | quhan: it will waste CPU and disk and it's going to take longer, but it's simpler than figuring out a partial build. |
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| 17:50.43 | kefalo | i installed php5.2.14 from source on squeeze but now apache2 dont see php. i linked php5.conf and php5.load from available to enabled mods. and get this error apache2: Syntax error on line 203 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can drink a coffee or whatever while it builds |
| 17:51.18 | quhan | oh my god |
| 17:51.31 | simonrvn | kefalo: check your paths... |
| 17:52.02 | kefalo | i configured php so: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-mysql=/usr/include --enable-force-cgi-redirect --disable-cgi --with-config-file-path=/usr/local/etc/apache2/php --with-zlib --with-gettext |
| 17:52.16 | simonrvn | no, on the fs |
| 17:52.40 | stuckey | Which packages do I need to install after installation if I don't want a DE but instead wmii? |
| 17:52.44 | simonrvn | correct the path in the file to match your system. |
| 17:52.53 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 17:52.53 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
| 17:53.00 | kefalo | simonrvn, i searched for libphp5.so and can't find any... only libphp5.module.in in php source dir |
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| 17:53.09 | jelly | kefalo: were all the build dependencies for php5 installed before you ran the ./configure? |
| 17:53.40 | jelly | kefalo: in other words, did you do "apt-get build-dep php5"? |
| 17:53.42 | kefalo | jelly, well i think yes... because configure finished without errors |
| 17:53.50 | jelly | kefalo: that doesn't mean much. |
| 17:54.12 | kefalo | jelly, i didnt run apt-get build-dep php5 |
| 17:54.13 | stuckey | I would have to install like xserver or something, right? |
| 17:54.19 | kefalo | jelly, should i do now? |
| 17:54.42 | jelly | kefalo: yes, then clean the tree and redo the build |
| 17:54.55 | jelly | !tell kefalo about deb-src |
| 17:55.33 | jelly | stuckey: /msg dpkg install x |
| 17:55.47 | kefalo | i have shitty link so 70MB download will take a while |
| 17:56.00 | stuckey | jelly: that's easy, thanks |
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| 18:03.09 | stuckey | Why does my usb drive look like this? http://paste.debian.net/84627 |
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| 18:04.32 | joltcan | stuckey: What is the problem? |
| 18:04.45 | stuckey | joltcan: unetbootin doesn't work. I'm assuming the drive is messed up. |
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| 18:06.01 | joltcan | stuckey: which uuid is the usb stick? |
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| 18:07.55 | stuckey | joltcan: sorry wrong post... look at this one: http://paste.debian.net/84628/ |
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| 18:09.43 | stew | stuckey: probably because it is unpartitioned |
| 18:10.01 | stuckey | stew: I did fdisk /dev/sdd then D N P 1 W, then mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd1 |
| 18:10.04 | stuckey | stew: Is that not right? |
| 18:11.41 | joltcan | stuckey: use cfdisk so that you don't have to go insane |
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| 18:16.49 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Yeah, probably better to clear and repartition w/ cfdisk, but why are you partitioning if you're going to write an image to it? |
| 18:17.01 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I don't know. |
| 18:17.14 | jhutchins_lt | No need to, it'll wipe out the partition anyway. |
| 18:17.17 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I don't know what I'm doing, I'm just trying to install debian with a usb key. |
| 18:17.34 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: Then why did unetbootin make such a mess out of it? |
| 18:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: I'm pretty sure someone linked dpkg's factoid to you earlier.. |
| 18:18.01 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: don't remember that |
| 18:18.18 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 18:18.18 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 18:19.08 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: everyone always says use unetbootin |
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| 18:20.30 | jhutchins_lt | Not here they don't. |
| 18:20.54 | stuckey | it doesn't work for me |
| 18:21.40 | jhutchins_lt | So follow one of the methods in the first URL above. |
| 18:22.10 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, the "flexible method" has you partition the disk, but leaves out some details like how to set the partition type. |
| 18:22.29 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: okay so I partition like I just learned, then mkfs.vfat |
| 18:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Not vfat. |
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| 18:23.32 | jhutchins_lt | fat16 |
| 18:23.35 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: too late, just did it |
| 18:23.58 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: how do I do fat16? |
| 18:24.01 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Follow the directions. If you're going to wing it, nobody here can help you. |
| 18:24.45 | stuckey | is there a reason why ext3 is done with mkfs.ext3, but fat16 is done with mkdosfs? |
| 18:25.02 | stuckey | And am I to assume that mkdosfs is fat16? |
| 18:25.19 | stuckey | I can do this after doing mkfs.vfat? I don't need to clean it or something? |
| 18:25.27 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: I would recommend that you do 4.3.1 |
| 18:25.48 | stuckey | There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as syslinux and its configuration file. |
| 18:25.51 | stuckey | where? |
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| 18:26.14 | kefalo | jelly, i run "apt-get build-dep php5" and make distclean in php source dir now i am configuring it again... |
| 18:26.44 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s02.html.en#where-files |
| 18:26.45 | kefalo | jelly, should i make and make install? |
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| 18:27.14 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I'm on amd64 |
| 18:27.34 | stuckey | wait, no, it's a dual core |
| 18:27.38 | stuckey | core2duo |
| 18:28.48 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Why do you think that matters? Did you read http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 ? |
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| 18:30.01 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Seriously, it wouldn't hurt at all to read through the whole install guide. I'm pretty certain you'll be asking questions it answers here if you don't. |
| 18:30.37 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: Reading the install guide will only make me have more questions. |
| 18:30.59 | stuckey | This http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 isn't written for the layman. |
| 18:31.17 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. |
| 18:31.25 | stuckey | Sorry, we exist. |
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| 18:34.29 | quantumlemur | hey, what's the url of the testing repo? I haven't been able to find it |
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| 18:35.36 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: What OS are you running now? What do you hope to accomplish by running Debian instead? |
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| 18:37.07 | stuckey | root@debian:/home/stuckey# mv Downloads/vmlinuz /mnt/usb |
| 18:37.08 | stuckey | mv: failed to preserve ownership for `/mnt/usb/vmlinuz': Operation not permitted |
| 18:37.11 | stuckey | how do I fix that? |
| 18:37.22 | jhutchins_lt | quantumlemur: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:37.30 | stuckey | meh... this is really a lot of trouble. |
| 18:37.37 | Bushmills | stuckey: by using a different file system on your usb stick. |
| 18:38.12 | pickcoder | *sniff* I smell FAT16 |
| 18:38.22 | stuckey | Why did you tell me then to use fat16? |
| 18:38.23 | pickcoder | could be NTFS though |
| 18:38.45 | pickcoder | reads scroll and goes back to work |
| 18:38.52 | jhutchins_lt | pickcoder: He's trying to improvise a USB install. |
| 18:39.10 | quantumlemur | jhutchins_lt, I mean the testing repo for installing packages with apt-get |
| 18:39.46 | stuckey | I was on #linux a while back and I asked this exact same question. A person responded with a one line answer. It was a single command with a && -- not all that complex. I downloaded two files, ran that command, and the stick worked. |
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| 18:39.52 | stuckey | Literally took five minutes. |
| 18:39.53 | jhutchins_lt | quantumlemur: I just showed you where I'd go to get an appropriate URL -consider using aptitude too. |
| 18:40.02 | stuckey | I've been playing with this for several days and I still can't get it to work now. |
| 18:40.15 | stuckey | I wish I would have kept a journal of stuff back then. |
| 18:41.08 | pickcoder | a usb install stick or a usb live drive |
| 18:41.35 | quantumlemur | ah, ok, thanks, jhutchins_lt. I'll look around there. and why do you recommend aptitude over apt-get? |
| 18:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Do you see that by running a command someone else gave you without knowing anything about what it was doing you accomplished your immediate goal but didn't learn anything about how to do it yourself? |
| 18:42.12 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: You could try digging through your command prompt history. |
| 18:42.30 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: that's why I ask a lot of questions and write stuff down now. |
| 18:42.33 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: it was too long ago |
| 18:43.03 | jhutchins_lt | The install guide is pretty clear though, download the image, unpack it directly to the drive, add the netinstall or cc iso image, boot. |
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| 18:43.13 | xulf | hi |
| 18:43.52 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I have an error, and I did what you told me to. |
| 18:45.09 | pickcoder | stuckey: just zcat the boot image from the installer package to your usb device |
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| 18:46.15 | Ciphers | btw, when squeeze will be final released? |
| 18:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: The error was that it couldn't preserver ownership and permissions. That's because fat16 doesn't HAVE ownership or permissions. That's why I suggested following the simpler instructions, as pickcoder said. |
| 18:46.57 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: so it copied it? |
| 18:46.59 | pickcoder | stuckey: then you can cp the ISO contents to the drive after you mount it in the file system |
| 18:47.12 | stuckey | oh... |
| 18:47.14 | stuckey | yes it did. |
| 18:47.52 | pickcoder | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 18:48.22 | pickcoder | then you can find a suitable installer ISO from the installer web page that will fit |
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| 18:48.58 | stuckey | I got it now. |
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| 18:53.17 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: What OS are you running now? What do you hope to accomplish by running Debian instead? |
| 18:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | pickcoder: You appear to already be running debian. |
| 18:53.43 | stuckey | stuckey: I am already using Debian. |
| 18:53.49 | stuckey | bah... |
| 18:53.52 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: Alreadying using debian. |
| 18:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: So the other question still stands. |
| 18:54.54 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I use it for everything -- a daily OS. |
| 18:55.26 | alys | Please: I have firewire on my new computer - unused so far. If I buy a firewire hard drive, do I just plug it in - or is there something more than that? Thanks |
| 18:55.53 | jhutchins_lt | alys: Don't have any FW myself, but haven't heard of anybody struggling with it. |
| 18:55.59 | nsadmin | yeah, meetoo! my os does something for me every day whether it needs to or not! |
| 18:56.29 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: So the question remains: Why are you struggling with the installer? |
| 18:56.32 | alys | thanks a lot! That encourages me - I find Linux a little 'daunting' sometimes... ;-) |
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| 18:56.59 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: it's a learning experience |
| 18:57.12 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I don't want to continue to make Cd coasters. |
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| 18:57.53 | pickcoder | jhutchins_lt: is it the @ hat that makes it so apparent? |
| 18:58.05 | pickcoder | stuckey: so don't buy cheap CDs that you can see through |
| 18:58.32 | seria-mau | got a problem with a box here. it's a router with dnsmasq, hostapd and interfaces eth0, eth2 and wlan0 |
| 18:58.34 | pickcoder | making an install CD is hardly a task |
| 18:58.39 | stuckey | pickcoder: You'd still be throwing away CDs. Don't you want to save the environment? |
| 18:58.50 | pickcoder | it's too late for that dude |
| 18:58.55 | jhutchins_lt | predecits a question about flash64 within 24 hours. |
| 18:58.59 | stuckey | and it's all our fault... |
| 18:59.03 | seria-mau | eth0 is external, eth2 and wlan0 are internal. wlan0 is managed by hostapd |
| 18:59.18 | stuckey | okay I'm going to test this now. |
| 18:59.27 | nsadmin | you could save the environment... but if that's too much work, just save a pointer to the environment! |
| 18:59.49 | seria-mau | i can access internet via another box connected via hostapd to that router, but not on one connected to eth2 |
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| 19:00.34 | pickcoder | nsadmin: metadata is better.. at least someone will scour over it for decades trying to figure out what it means |
| 19:00.43 | seria-mau | from both boxes connected to the router i can ping both interfaces eth2 and wlan0 |
| 19:01.34 | seria-mau | now i'm trying to find out why i cant access (dns and ping to ips) the internet with this second box on eth2 |
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| 19:02.06 | dawning_ | Howdy - I've just set up a Mirrored LVM - anyone have experience with how sturdy these things are? |
| 19:02.13 | rozie | seria-mau: routing or masquerade? |
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| 19:02.42 | seria-mau | rozie: masquerade. it's configured as nat with iptables |
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| 19:03.05 | rozie | can you show exact commands? |
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| 19:03.15 | rozie | and iptables -L -n output? |
| 19:03.30 | rozie | iptables -L -n -t nat too |
| 19:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | seria-mau: I'll bet your default gatway device is wlan0. |
| 19:06.17 | jhutchins_lt | seria-mau: Especially if you configured it first. |
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| 19:08.51 | pigdude | how do I get up-to-date mirrors? mine cannot even fetch a package |
| 19:09.30 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: Other than aptitude update? |
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| 19:09.48 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: Do you have a problem with a specific mirror? Which release? |
| 19:09.51 | pigdude | jhutchins_lt: I am using apt-get. an update didn't fix the issue and there were some 404s in its output |
| 19:10.01 | pigdude | here is my sources.list |
| 19:10.02 | pigdude | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/252543/ |
| 19:10.59 | pigdude | trying to get mercurial: |
| 19:11.00 | pigdude | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mercurial/mercurial_0.9.1-1+etch1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
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| 19:11.04 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: See the bit about etch there? |
| 19:11.05 | pickcoder | is etch still on the main mirror? |
| 19:11.11 | pickcoder | I don't remember seeing it |
| 19:11.14 | jhutchins_lt | pickcoder: Nope. |
| 19:11.14 | pigdude | :( |
| 19:11.21 | pigdude | the joys of inheriting an unmaintained box |
| 19:11.25 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: It's ok, there are still archives. |
| 19:11.30 | pigdude | how do I find those? |
| 19:11.41 | jhutchins_lt | !tell pigdude about etch->lenny |
| 19:11.55 | pickcoder | 'life changes after Etch' |
| 19:11.59 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:12.04 | pigdude | well I don't want to do a dist-upgraade right now |
| 19:12.40 | seria-mau | rozie: http://paste.debian.net/84642/ |
| 19:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: Hidden away in the damp folds of those factoids are fun little bits like "/msg dpkg etch sources.list". |
| 19:12.52 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: Besides, sooner or later... |
| 19:13.12 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: I didn't run etch very long, but lenny looks to me like a very well sorted out etch. |
| 19:13.15 | pigdude | I guess I'll use easy_install to load up mercurial and figure out my mirrors later |
| 19:13.21 | pickcoder | pigdude: if lenny is in there then hopefully the last few updates have already been installed |
| 19:13.27 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: Not different enough to hurt, but a lot of stuff "just works". |
| 19:13.53 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: srsly - simple as /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 19:15.08 | rozie | seria-mau: look OK. take a look on what jhutchins_lt wrote |
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| 19:16.36 | seria-mau | rozie: k, thx |
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| 19:18.30 | stuckey | usb key didn't work -- I used a cd instead. |
| 19:19.01 | pickcoder | does the PC allow USB booting? |
| 19:19.58 | seria-mau | jhutchins_lt: you mean i have set the default gateway on the machine connected to eth2 to wlan0? |
| 19:20.01 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Well, perhaps you could mess around with some of the other live/installer images for a key. There's always http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 19:20.32 | pickcoder | stuckey: how exactly did you put the boot image onto the device? |
| 19:20.34 | jhutchins_lt | seria-mau: enter the command "route" in a root console, see what it says. |
| 19:20.52 | seria-mau | on which machine? |
| 19:21.13 | jhutchins_lt | seria-mau: My guess is that it says that the route to the internet is through wlan0, so it's not trying to access it through eth2. |
| 19:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | seria-mau: Presumably the one that's not working as expected. |
| 19:21.28 | stuckey | I need to install nvidia drivers now. |
| 19:21.52 | stuckey | I'm on stable, but the drivers for my card aren't in stable. So I need to use sid repos. |
| 19:22.33 | seria-mau | jhutchins_lt: the default gateway is correctly set to eth2 |
| 19:22.39 | stuckey | Do I have to backport or do I just install from sid? |
| 19:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Only if you want a broken, unusable system. |
| 19:22.54 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: There's another way to get drivers? |
| 19:22.56 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: backport |
| 19:23.11 | stuckey | I think I remember how |
| 19:23.19 | jhutchins_lt | !tell stuckey about nvidia |
| 19:23.48 | pickcoder | stuckey: see if they are in backports |
| 19:23.52 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: I need to backport nvidia-kernel-common first? |
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| 19:24.03 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: However, I don't think backporting is the answer for nvidia drivers. |
| 19:24.16 | stuckey | pickcoder: nope, they never are. |
| 19:24.18 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: how would you do it? |
| 19:24.22 | Greek-Boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nvidia-kernel-common |
| 19:24.26 | judd | nvidia-kernel-common -- etch/contrib: 20051028+1; lenny/contrib: 20080825+1; sid/contrib: 20100522+1; squeeze/contrib: 20100522+1 |
| 19:25.55 | stew | Greek-Boy: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen seems to imply otherwise, "a Lenny dom0 on amd64 can run any domU (Etch or Lenny, i386 or amd64); " |
| 19:26.02 | quitte | stuckey: i would first give it a try by getting unstables packages from packages.debian.org and give it a try. don't add unstable to sources.list, though |
| 19:26.03 | stew | Greek-Boy: you might confirm with #debian-xen on irc.debian.org |
| 19:26.53 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 19:27.34 | stuckey | Or apt pinning. |
| 19:27.45 | stuckey | Then put sid lines in. |
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| 19:29.24 | moldovean | how to start two xterm using only one command line ? |
| 19:29.51 | quitte | xterm&xterm |
| 19:30.01 | stuckey | E: Build-Depends dependency for nvidia-kernel-common cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 19:30.13 | stuckey | I need to backport the nvidia kernel first, but I get that, so that means I need to backport debhelper too? |
| 19:30.14 | moldovean | quitte, tkx |
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| 19:31.38 | jhutchins_lt | quitte: We often recommend mixing packages from distributions as a great way to prepare for a clean reinstall. |
| 19:31.48 | quitte | stuckey: have you considered making a backup and giving squeeze a try? |
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| 19:32.36 | stuckey | quitte: if so then I'd just use sid. |
| 19:32.41 | quitte | jhutchins_lt: in that particular case vrms would help |
| 19:32.45 | seria-mau | jhutchins_lt: no other ideas? |
| 19:32.52 | gnarface | so like the developer's website for nspluginwrapper is down... anyone know if he's dead? |
| 19:33.13 | stuckey | But last time I asked about this someone on here told me I should not have to use sid to be able to have nvidia drivers. |
| 19:33.20 | stuckey | Most defnitely, they said. So now I'm trying it with stable. |
| 19:33.38 | jhutchins_lt | seria-mau: Use a pastebin and re-state the question; post the output of ifconfig and route with it. |
| 19:33.50 | jhutchins_lt | seria-mau: I wasn't really paying attention, sorry. |
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| 19:34.30 | jhutchins_lt | !maint nspluginwrapper |
| 19:34.32 | quitte | stuckey: about the backporting. if i were to do it i'd use stables source package and put nvidias upstream packages in |
| 19:35.07 | stuckey | quitte: not following |
| 19:35.39 | stuckey | can I still run debian:/tmp# m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source ? or is that dependent on having the packages in the repo? |
| 19:35.56 | quitte | stuckey: instead of trying to build sid's packages for stable i'd instead update stable's packages to the latest nvidia upstream drivers |
| 19:36.08 | stuckey | quitte: isn't that the same thing? |
| 19:36.27 | quitte | not quite. sid's version depends on a newer version of debhelper, for example |
| 19:36.41 | stuckey | oh so you mean actually make my own debs? That'd be more difficult. |
| 19:37.08 | pigdude | thanks jhutchins_lt! |
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| 19:37.23 | stuckey | Looks like this way is going to work |
| 19:37.51 | pigdude | jhutchins_lt: will the deb-src work for those too? |
| 19:38.27 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: for which? |
| 19:38.30 | stuckey | no damn it, that built it from lenny |
| 19:38.36 | pigdude | jhutchins_lt: the etch sources |
| 19:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: As far as I know - it'd be very undebian for it not to have source. |
| 19:39.13 | stuckey | I need to get this step: # m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source to work, in my case. |
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| 19:42.33 | pigdude | got it thanks |
| 19:43.18 | project2501a | can you mount .dmg files in linux? |
| 19:44.01 | project2501a | yes you can. |
| 19:44.04 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: You can convert them to iso's and mount those. |
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| 19:44.51 | project2501a | can i ask how? |
| 19:44.57 | project2501a | what do i google for? |
| 19:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | iirc it's dmg2iso |
| 19:46.53 | sparr | I need to install Windows (XP or 7) from a flash drive, but I don't have a running copy of Windows in which to run the tools to 'convert' my install disc to a working install flash drive. Suggestions, other than a usb cdrom drive for the netbook? |
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| 19:48.49 | seria-mau | jhutchins_lt: http://paste.debian.net/84646/ |
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| 19:50.16 | jimcooncat | sparr: why not ask in #windows ? |
| 19:51.19 | sparr | jimcooncat: because, as mentioned in the question, I'm not using Windows to solve the problem. I'd like to know if the appropriate tools exist for linux, or more specifically packaged for debian |
| 19:52.07 | project2501a | sparr: there are tools made for windows which can make an .img for you to boot of RIS or jumpstart or a usb, yes. |
| 19:52.10 | sparr | I'd settle for packaged for ubuntu, on the likelihood that the package would be compatible |
| 19:52.26 | project2501a | but i do not think anybody is trying to move from debian to windows |
| 19:52.30 | sparr | project2501a: are there such tools made for linux? |
| 19:52.35 | gnarface | sparr: read the man page about mkisofs - you could use this to make a copy of the contents of your flash drive as an iso file then burn it to a cd. |
| 19:52.44 | sparr | gnarface: other way around |
| 19:52.51 | project2501a | spacepup: no, they are made for windows. |
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| 19:53.38 | sparr | that's unfortunate. I might even expect MS to publish such tools, as a migration promotion thing |
| 19:53.44 | gnarface | sparr: i'm not sure the windows installer works with anything other than an iso-9660 cdrom. i don't think it will even work with a dvd |
| 19:53.46 | vyrgozunqk | guys anyone of you know how to change the capture resolution from my UVC webcam, Skype captures witg 1280x1024 with 15 fps, but i want 640x480 @ 30 fps...and the driver support this resolution |
| 19:53.58 | jimcooncat | sparr: One way would be to set up tftp, dhcp, etc. and use the tools from the unattended project |
| 19:54.07 | sparr | gnarface: there are tools for windows that take the install CD and do funny tricks with the contents to make them boot and work on a flash drive |
| 19:54.16 | project2501a | sparr: have you tried running said tools though wine? |
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| 19:54.30 | jimcooncat | sparr: but that's netbooting, not flash drive install |
| 19:54.37 | sparr | project2501a: yes, various failures of many sorts, and most of the toolchains are multiple steps long |
| 19:54.54 | sparr | jimcooncat: I may pursue that, if it comes to it. At least I've got all the hardware for that solution |
| 19:55.01 | project2501a | i'm sorry? multiple steps long? |
| 19:55.05 | gnarface | sparr: sometimes newer or older versions of wine fix that. also, you could try dosbox if they're non-gui tools |
| 19:55.26 | project2501a | are you complaining it is hard work? |
| 19:55.35 | vyrgozunqk | is there anyone familiar with UVC webcam driver ? |
| 19:55.42 | vyrgozunqk | is there anyone familiar with UVC webcam driver ?/ |
| 19:55.53 | vyrgozunqk | sorry for the double posting |
| 19:56.02 | sparr | project2501a: no, I'm pointing out that I can't even test the later steps when the first ones fail, so I can only assume they also fail in similar fashions |
| 19:56.14 | sparr | gnarface: most of the processes involve at least one GUI tool |
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| 19:57.19 | project2501a | sparr: fair enough. why do you not get a usb drive and put grub on it and install windows that way? |
| 19:57.47 | project2501a | i mean, windows does the same thing as linux, while installing: starts a small OS and looks for a specific file to start |
| 19:57.53 | gnarface | sparr: first i'd try the wine 1.0.1-whatever that's still the stock one in debian unstable, then i'd try to compile the 1.2 version from source from their site |
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| 20:00.32 | jhutchins | seria-mau: Ok, so you're trying to route the xp box through the debian box to win7 and the internet. |
| 20:00.33 | project2501a | omfg aticonfig needs a PhD in system administration to configure for more than 1 screen |
| 20:01.00 | Gentoochild | good evening all. I got a question about apt: when I do an upgrade, is there a way to display all packages to be installed in a dependency tree? and more importantly, can I somehow see the size of the .deb to be downloaded? |
| 20:01.38 | jhutchins | seria-mau: You're not actually doing ipmasq, but I believe this document will show you how to set up the iptables commands for forwarding. THere's also a kernel parameter that needs to be set. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 20:01.54 | jhutchins | !tell vyrgozunqk about webcam |
| 20:01.54 | amphi | project2501a: you can't use xrandr? |
| 20:01.57 | Gentoochild | currently, my system would like to download more than 500MB and I would like to find out what the biggest of the packages are |
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| 20:02.06 | gnarface | Gentoochild: it should do this by default if there are more than one packages to install, and it should prompt you with Y/N before actually installing |
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| 20:02.13 | project2501a | amphi: xradr? |
| 20:02.17 | Gentoochild | gnarface: then I only see a plain list |
| 20:02.18 | project2501a | amphi: let me google that |
| 20:02.26 | gnarface | Gentoochild: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:02.28 | amphi | project2501a: xrandr |
| 20:02.30 | Gentoochild | apt-get |
| 20:02.56 | gnarface | that is not the behavior i see |
| 20:02.58 | amphi | project2501a: but if you use blobby drivers, it may not work |
| 20:03.17 | Gentoochild | gnarface: Gentoo's emerge has a nice feature to display all packages in a tree-like fashion with indentation. That way one can easily see the dependency relationships between all packages that will be installed |
| 20:03.35 | gnarface | Gentoochild: maybe you should try deselect |
| 20:03.40 | amphi | haha |
| 20:03.47 | project2501a | amphi: which drivers should i use? |
| 20:04.09 | gnarface | Gentoochild: sorry i mean dselect |
| 20:04.09 | jhutchins | sparr, gnarface: There are third-party projects that provide a USB-installable image for XP, but you'd have to ask somewhere like ##windows. |
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| 20:04.21 | amphi | project2501a: the open driver, if it supports you card as you would wish |
| 20:04.26 | Gentoochild | I already read dselect ;-) |
| 20:04.37 | amphi | me too ;) |
| 20:04.55 | project2501a | amphi: is it better than the official one? |
| 20:05.32 | amphi | project2501a: I believe it depends on the card, but I have intel, so I wot not of ati |
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| 20:07.23 | Gentoochild | gnarface: this is basically what I am looking for: http://141.24.172.17/pub/emergeoutput.txt |
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| 20:07.54 | gnarface | Gentoochild: let me know if you find it |
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| 20:07.59 | Gentoochild | *g* |
| 20:10.45 | Gentoochild | if there is no solution for it, I can live without the tree. But still, the size of each deb file should be known to apt I assume, is it not? |
| 20:10.56 | Gentoochild | with apt I mean dpkg |
| 20:11.08 | Gentoochild | it's all still a little confusing at times :) |
| 20:11.10 | gnarface | maybe apt_file ? |
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| 20:12.07 | gnarface | apt-get figures out how much space will be used or freed after a given action, so i would assume the information you're looking for is in there somewhere |
| 20:12.27 | sparr | project2501a: can you elaborate on your grub suggestion? |
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| 20:12.59 | seria-mau | jhutchins: afaics i already did that: http://paste.debian.net/84642/ |
| 20:13.09 | Gentoochild | well I guess they're just some integer numbers that are stored to each of a package's version |
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| 20:14.52 | reallove | hello. is there a way to see the configure arguments that a package was compiled with ? thanks |
| 20:15.54 | project2501a | sparr: i think you got to find out how windows xp boots: it looks for autoexec.bat, i think, and then it loads setup.exe. so you should reasonably easy to make a 4gb flash drive , format with mkfs.vfat or mkfs.msdos or what ever, copy all your files into it and then grub-install the partion to install grub on the flash drive. |
| 20:16.04 | project2501a | sparr: if you want to make it easier for yourself, use syslinux |
| 20:16.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gentoochild, there's "Size" and "Installed-Size" for each package - you see them with apt-cache show <package> |
| 20:16.21 | project2501a | sparr: which is specifically designed for msfat |
| 20:16.30 | Gentoochild | CutMeOwnThroat: ah ok, I see it |
| 20:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gentoochild, not sure if I got the real question... only read the last lines of what you said |
| 20:17.09 | Gentoochild | CutMeOwnThroat: ideally I want a list of the packages to be installed that tells me the size of each package file I need to download |
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| 20:17.20 | Gentoochild | just like that emerge output does which I posted a little bit up |
| 20:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gentoochild, if you call "aptitude" without arguments, I think you might find a tree-like view like the one you're looking for... but I don't use the curses interface of aptitude myself, so I might be wrong |
| 20:18.04 | Gentoochild | In the end I'll have to download it, but my connection is poor and I would use other machines with a good connection to download the big chunks |
| 20:18.34 | Gentoochild | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude's tree only sorts the categories, AFAIK |
| 20:18.46 | Gentoochild | I use aptitude regularly and quite like it |
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| 20:19.28 | Gentoochild | and it shows the (change in) installed size, but not the download size |
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| 20:20.44 | Gentoochild | hm... could be a good feature request :) |
| 20:20.55 | sed` | can I make aptitude show _only_ the search results, as a list to browse through? |
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| 20:21.27 | gnarface | sed`: does not aptitude search do this? |
| 20:22.03 | gnarface | if not try apt-cache search |
| 20:22.36 | stew | Gentoochild: you can change aptitude's output with -F and you should be able to make that include size, if that helps |
| 20:22.42 | sed` | gnarface: the default search (activated with the hotkey /) lets you skip through matching packages but doesn't how only the matches as a consecutive list, like synaptic does |
| 20:22.50 | Gentoochild | stew: hmk, will have a look at it. |
| 20:22.50 | stew | Gentoochild: also look at "apt-zip" for aiding in using another machine for downloading |
| 20:23.06 | stew | it will write a script for you to run on another machine |
| 20:23.11 | sed` | i know apt-cache search but i want interactivity, the ability to inspect properties quickly |
| 20:23.12 | Gentoochild | stew: well I use apt-get --print-uris and then wget --inputfile ^^ |
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| 20:25.34 | sed` | Gentoochild: you could try apt-cacher-ng. i'm using it as a quick & dirty yet effective .deb cache in my LAN, serving a mix of Debian, Ubuntu & Cygwin setups |
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| 20:25.59 | sed` | it works out of the box for Debian and needs very little configuration for Ubuntu & Cygwin |
| 20:26.22 | Gentoochild | it's like this: this weekend I'll be at my parents', they have a nice DSL line. So I ssh let my box go on automatically, I ssh to it and update apt. Then I get the list of files I need, DL them and when I go back to my home, I install them |
| 20:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | sed`, you can use / to search through packages if you just call "aptitude" |
| 20:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 20:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late :) |
| 20:27.12 | sed` | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah but it only skips through the results and doesn't show the matches as a consecutive list, which would provide an easy overview. |
| 20:27.45 | sed` | (Synaptic does that but it's a GUI program) |
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| 20:28.24 | Gentoochild | and GTK *cough* |
| 20:30.27 | Zylvain | plop |
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| 20:31.58 | sed` | Gentoochild: maybe apt-offline. âapt-offline can be used to generate a signature on a machine (with no network). This signature contains all download information required for the apt database system.â |
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| 20:33.36 | Gentoochild | hm.. sounds interesting. phew, so many apt apps |
| 20:33.54 | sed` | Gentoochild: yep. the generated signature of apt-offline contains all URLs, including the package lists _and_ the packages |
| 20:34.01 | Gentoochild | but actually, they solve a problem I don't have ^^ |
| 20:34.31 | sed` | why not? it gives you all the URLs |
| 20:34.32 | Gentoochild | perhaps it's a little more comfortable than my print-uris and wget approach |
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| 20:35.42 | sed` | oh, --print-uris. well, that's quite nice then :) |
| 20:35.46 | sed` | yes, it seems so |
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| 20:36.08 | sed` | it includes the SHA256 hashes too |
| 20:36.11 | Gentoochild | the only problem it has that the file name from the URL may differ from the actual filename in the archives dir |
| 20:36.14 | martianlobster | if I install the kernel source code, unpack it, do a "make menuconfig", and them make, will I be building something the same as the generic kernel? |
| 20:36.32 | cahoot | make oldconfig |
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| 20:36.59 | Gentoochild | I installed apt-offline and am having a read of its manpage |
| 20:37.02 | sparr | if a floppy is bootable, what is looked for on the floppy to start the boot process? |
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| 20:42.22 | rvsjoen | the stage 1 boot loader |
| 20:42.33 | rvsjoen | in the first sector |
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| 20:43.35 | Pinchiukas | So when will squeeze become stable? |
| 20:43.39 | Pinchiukas | Or is it already? |
| 20:43.49 | rvsjoen | !wwsr |
| 20:43.49 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00009.html. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 20:44.38 | ram0 | Hi, I want to install us keymap variant colemak as boottime keymap, but 'install-keymap' command accepts only a layout switch. Should I tweak the layout file or is there a direct way for it? |
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| 20:45.58 | Pinchiukas | Oh, so squeeze is being tested for being stable? :) |
| 20:46.35 | rvsjoen | I guess you could say that |
| 20:46.43 | Gentoochild | can't wait as well |
| 20:46.45 | rvsjoen | as for the timeframe, I have no clue |
| 20:47.06 | Gentoochild | because I'm looking forward to kde 4.5 which will enter testing (hopefully) as soon as squeeze is out |
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| 20:49.22 | Pinchiukas | I'm just interested in not being lagged behind. |
| 20:49.36 | Pinchiukas | But I guess lenny will be supported for a few years still. |
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| 20:54.16 | jhutchins_lt | Pinchiukas: Still some release-killer bugs, and the usual process of "oops, fixing this broke that!". |
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| 20:56.28 | Pinchiukas | :) |
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| 20:58.34 | KangarooBox | I am trying to find the previous version of the Ruby1.9.1 package for amd64 and am not having any luck. |
| 20:59.07 | KangarooBox | Its not old enough to be in the archives but the main site has purged it in favor of the Ruby1.9.2 package. Help... |
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| 21:01.28 | KangarooBox | Does anyone know where I can get a slightly old copy of the APT repository? |
| 21:01.36 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:01.45 | Agiofws | has anyone got a bamboo cft-430 pen tablet to work in debian linux ? |
| 21:02.26 | Agiofws | ctf* |
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| 21:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions ruby1.9.1 |
| 21:03.02 | judd | ruby1.9.1 -- sid: 1.9.2~svn28788-1; squeeze: 1.9.2~svn28788-1 |
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| 21:03.35 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, Yes, its the 1.9.2 version that is getting me stuck. :( |
| 21:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oooh, amd64 |
| 21:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | on my x86 looks different... possibly because I didn't run apt-get update today |
| 21:04.05 | KangarooBox | I have a i386 version on my local servers but not amd64. |
| 21:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... look in the pool directory if the .deb is still around? |
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| 21:04.59 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, Unfortunately, this is a *brand new* instance and there is no cache... |
| 21:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean the pool directory on the debian server |
| 21:05.25 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, Oh, are you talking about ftp.us.debian.org? Yea, I looked there and they are all gone. |
| 21:05.37 | KangarooBox | is crying... |
| 21:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I dunno... reason dictates that they are not deleted, because they will go to the archives |
| 21:06.14 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, Maybe there is a Debian mirror out there that is 3 weeks old. :) |
| 21:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be silly to compile everything again, it's probably just moved there |
| 21:06.43 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't think they are old enough to go to archive. All I can find there is the Ruby1.9.0 stuff. *blech* |
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| 21:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you should either find them in the pool directory of the main repository or in the one of the archive |
| 21:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they can't be just gone... because then someone would need to compile them _again_ for the archive |
| 21:07.55 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, true. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place... |
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| 21:08.56 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, archive.debian.org only has 1.9.0. |
| 21:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.9.1/ |
| 21:10.07 | zorrolero | n8 |
| 21:10.10 | KangarooBox | ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.9.1/ only has 1.378 for alpha. Hmmm...I wonder where they all go. |
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| 21:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | KangarooBox, the source package is there, no? |
| 21:12.06 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.9.1/ruby1.9.1_1.9.1.378.orig.tar.gz |
| 21:12.10 | KangarooBox | Is that it? |
| 21:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | that + the diff.gz file + the .dsc file |
| 21:12.39 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, Arggg...I have to build the package myself?!? |
| 21:13.04 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, Oh well, it's better than not having it at all. I still wonder where the *slightly* old packages go. |
| 21:13.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't _have_ to do anything! |
| 21:13.11 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, :) |
| 21:13.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | all we _have_ to do is die... for everything else we have a choice |
| 21:14.12 | KangarooBox | I'm so lazy. I guess I just get used to Debian always working that I forget that its all volunteer and sometimes we have to get our hands dirty. :> |
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| 21:14.52 | KangarooBox | Thanks for the help. Hopefully it wont be too painful. Better yet, maybe the Ruby1.9.1 package will get updated over the weekend to fix the problem. :) |
| 21:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | what'S weird... if this is the source to 1.9.1_1.9.1, where's the source for the current 1.9.2? |
| 21:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | why exactly do you need one older version? |
| 21:16.16 | KangarooBox | The 1.9.2 source has some stuff that breaks RubyGems. It was supposed to be a drop in replacement for 1.9.1, that's why they just packaged it into the Ruby1.9.1 deb. |
| 21:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 21:16.33 | KangarooBox | Why oh why wouldn't you spool up a Ruby1.9.2 package?!?!?! |
| 21:16.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see that at all in archives |
| 21:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | only ruby1.8 and 1.6 |
| 21:17.32 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, I found Ruby1.8 and Ruby1.9 (really 1.9.0) |
| 21:17.54 | KangarooBox | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=588125 |
| 21:18.13 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, gg. |
| 21:18.15 | KangarooBox | Thanx! |
| 21:18.17 | KangarooBox | l8r |
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| 21:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !snapshot |
| 21:18.28 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 21:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | KangarooBox, that one! |
| 21:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | stupid... should have looked there 1st |
| 21:18.56 | KangarooBox | Woot!... |
| 21:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/ruby1.9.1/ |
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| 21:19.42 | KangarooBox | CutMeOwnThroat, YOU ARE THE WO|MAN!! |
| 21:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, was a bit slow... I was thinking of that all the time |
| 21:20.05 | KangarooBox | No compiling for me! |
| 21:20.27 | KangarooBox | That is exactly right! Thanx! |
| 21:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I thought a) you were already talking of that and b) I thought it's got archive.debian.org/ |
| 21:21.28 | KangarooBox | Nah, I was talking about archive.debian.org - I completely forgot about snapshot. |
| 21:21.38 | KangarooBox | My Google fu is weak. :( |
| 21:21.44 | Gijs | can anybody help me |
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| 21:22.23 | Gijs | i am searching a working iptable wich allows me to block a IP on a Servers ip and port, so i want to block the attacker from example: serverip:4567 |
| 21:23.43 | alternatas | Gijs: http://www.vuurmuur.org/trac/ try this |
| 21:27.58 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: I just use shorewall because I don't do it often enough to remember the protocol. |
| 21:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | what attacker? |
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| 21:30.04 | WaterRatj | Can anyone tell me if anything is wrong with this init.d file => http://pastebin.com/fB77VG5Z seems to giving errors when trying to start it |
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| 21:31.59 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: Where did you get the file; WHAT errors? |
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| 21:33.13 | Gijs | well this needs to be in command line |
| 21:33.14 | WaterRatj | Got it from dropbox wiki http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=dropbox.py&titlesearch=Titels and errors is http://pastebin.com/hDUYFhFU |
| 21:33.21 | Gijs | is there any other program wich can do this easily? |
| 21:34.00 | Siegfried | Hi, i use lxde, installed network-manager to configure my network, installed network-manager-pptp for pptp but pptp connections are just greyed out when i add them, any idea? |
| 21:34.09 | Siegfried | i'm on squeeze |
| 21:34.45 | jhutchins_lt | I'd guess you have DOS line endings and need to clean it up with dos2unix. |
| 21:34.54 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: ^ |
| 21:35.06 | WaterRatj | lol :p |
| 21:35.21 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 21:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | what attacker? |
| 21:35.37 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: shorewall |
| 21:36.23 | WaterRatj | jhutchins_lt: now that worked! |
| 21:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | Siegfried: Maybe squeeze isn't doing pptp this week. |
| 21:36.59 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: Two hints: "Unexpected token" and the fact that the line numbers in the error didn't make sense. |
| 21:37.43 | WaterRatj | jhutchins_lt: Now I know for next time, thanks |
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| 21:42.57 | Gijs | guys is this a good query? |
| 21:43.09 | Gijs | UPDATE `users` SET `credits` = `credits` = `credits` + 5 WHERE `name` = 'test' LIMIT 1; |
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| 21:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: I would say "No". credits=credits=credits+5? |
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| 21:47.53 | dkr | that means we want to be extra clear that mysql gets the message of what we want to assign to credits |
| 21:50.32 | Siegfried | needs some more `credits` = i guess |
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| 22:07.13 | r0ver | hello, i need to get python2.6 in debian 5.0.4, do you know a repo where i can take it from ? |
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| 22:07.45 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions python |
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| 22:08.15 | OpenTokix | r0ver: I think its a really hard manouver |
| 22:08.28 | OpenTokix | r0ver: squeeze has 2.6 |
| 22:08.34 | jpinx-eeepc | versionsjudd versions python |
| 22:08.50 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions python |
| 22:08.51 | streuner | judd, versions python2.6 |
| 22:08.51 | judd | python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.5-11; sid: 2.6.5-13 |
| 22:08.53 | judd | python2.6 -- squeeze: 2.6.6~rc1-1; sid: 2.6.6~rc2-1 |
| 22:09.08 | jpinx-eeepc | at last... |
| 22:09.26 | jpinx-eeepc | r0ver: check backports |
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| 22:09.51 | phylogenesis | I just installed a modem driver called alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.23.0_all.deb and now my computer fails to boot up. I booted in single-user-mode and logged in as root, how can I remove it so it boots up? |
| 22:10.40 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: how did you install it and where did it come from? |
| 22:11.22 | phylogenesis | It's a linuxant driver from http://www.linuxant.com/alsa-driver/. I installed it by downloading the generic package and using dpkg to build it. |
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| 22:12.24 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: you could try aptitude purge |
| 22:12.46 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm not sure if dpkg has a remove option |
| 22:12.49 | phylogenesis | What does that do? |
| 22:13.07 | gnarface | dpkg has a remove option |
| 22:13.07 | dpkg | gnarface: no idea |
| 22:13.11 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: how do you usually install pakages? |
| 22:13.15 | gnarface | dpkg --purge [package name] |
| 22:13.15 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up [package name] all over gnarface and sgronblo... |
| 22:13.16 | phylogenesis | aptitude install |
| 22:13.36 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: aptitude purge is the reverse ;) |
| 22:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 22:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, stop highlighting me! |
| 22:15.02 | phylogenesis | I was thinking you meant "aptitude purge" not "aptitude purge [package]" so I was worried that it would purge a little more than I wanted purged. |
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| 22:15.31 | moldovean | aptitude purge phylogenesis |
| 22:15.39 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 22:15.48 | jpinx-eeepc | strong laxative that.. |
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| 22:16.36 | phylogenesis | hey! |
| 22:16.38 | phylogenesis | lol |
| 22:17.06 | moldovean | hi is/was waste our time from last 2 days with his modem/fax |
| 22:17.09 | phylogenesis | moldovean, were you the one that said how to remove it? if so, could you remind me? (I did it, and now need to again) |
| 22:17.19 | phylogenesis | last two days, yesterday |
| 22:17.31 | phylogenesis | I started this yesterday so it couldn't have been the last two days. |
| 22:17.57 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:18.46 | jpinx-eeepc | it's 05:00 Sat here - day3 |
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| 22:19.03 | moldovean | jpinx-eeepc, right +1 |
| 22:19.28 | phylogenesis | It's been like five minutes today,,, that can hardly be held against me. |
| 22:19.47 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: man aptitude, mad dpkg, /msg dpkg -- do the legwork ;) |
| 22:20.33 | r0ver | jpinx-eeepc: it seems backport is not on backports |
| 22:20.41 | phylogenesis | I only continued asking because I thought moldovean was the one that told me the specific command last time and I know that it worked so I figured if I can get that, I know it will work. However, I'm just about to check if the dpkg purge worked. |
| 22:20.49 | r0ver | i knew about special repos for that... just forgot the url |
| 22:21.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell r0ver about ssb |
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| 22:24.07 | moldovean | phylogenesis, check the logs http://purl.rikers.org/#debian/20100819.html.gz |
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| 22:27.07 | phylogenesis | moldovean, that's an awesome idea and thank you for it,,, but for some reason the logs for the past two days show nothing but sign on and sign off messages. |
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| 22:27.48 | phylogenesis | by date anyway, I'm still looking though |
| 22:28.23 | jpinx-eeepc | r0ver: what is it you want to install? |
| 22:28.34 | r0ver | jpinx-eeepc: python2.6 |
| 22:28.59 | jpinx-eeepc | r0ver: did you see it in backports.org ? |
| 22:29.12 | r0ver | yes, there are a couple of virtual packages |
| 22:29.33 | jpinx-eeepc | backport the one you need - follow the instructions |
| 22:29.40 | r0ver | i knew about special repos for lenny with these packages |
| 22:30.39 | jpinx-eeepc | r0ver: are they debian repos? |
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| 22:31.11 | r0ver | i don't think so |
| 22:31.25 | Greek-Boy | I install lvm2 with apt-get install lvm2 but pvcreate is still not found as a command. Any ideas? |
| 22:31.29 | jpinx-eeepc | then do the backport |
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| 22:31.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Greek-Boy about why aptitude |
| 22:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, can I _drop_ a group I'm in to prevent certain programs from e.g. accessing audio? |
| 22:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | newgrp? |
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| 22:36.03 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: you can get out of a group can't you? Or is it a lifetime membership? ;) |
| 22:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems not |
| 22:36.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | not without removing it from the groups file |
| 22:37.32 | jpinx-eeepc | a bit like a tattoo :/ |
| 22:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | only want to drop it for one program |
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| 22:39.04 | r0ver | ok, thks guys |
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| 22:42.52 | phylogenesis | sigh, when I try to purge the package it just says it's removing and doesn't complete |
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| 22:43.14 | phylogenesis | "dpkg --purge alsa-driver-linuxant" |
| 22:43.21 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: pastebin the entire command and errors |
| 22:45.05 | phylogenesis | That was the entire command and there are no errors, it just stops. It displays "Removing alsa-driver-linuxant ..." and doesn't change. |
| 22:45.39 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: how long did you wait and how did you check for removal? |
| 22:45.51 | martianlobster | I just compiled and installed a kernel. When I reboot, I get errors from VMware. This is really weird. I don't remember installing vmware. I am using virtual-box instead. Is there something I need to change in "make menuconfig" to enable virtualization support? Is there something I can apt-get remove to remove vmware? What is weird also is that when I do "dpg -l | egrep -i vmware" I only see, xserver-xorg-video-vmware , and nothing else having t |
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| 22:46.00 | phylogenesis | I don't know the exact time, but probably 10 minutes |
| 22:46.42 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: how did you check for removal? |
| 22:47.02 | phylogenesis | I didn't check for removal. |
| 22:47.27 | phylogenesis | When I pressed Ctrl+C to stop I assumed it didn't work, figuring if I had to do Ctrl+C that it didn't succeed. |
| 22:47.37 | jpinx-eeepc | martianlobster: reboot into the previous working system and check for the packages you didn't expect |
| 22:47.52 | martianlobster | okk |
| 22:47.53 | moldovean | dpkg -l alsa-driver-linuxant , says ? |
| 22:47.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching alsa-driver-linuxant , says |
| 22:48.01 | phylogenesis | Although, I did run aptitude purge alsa-driver-linuxant and it's doing the same thing, as opposed to saying that the package doesn't exist |
| 22:48.02 | phylogenesis | checking |
| 22:48.07 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: dpkg -l | grep alsa |
| 22:48.59 | phylogenesis | it lists the driver |
| 22:49.50 | phylogenesis | It shows pi, "alsa-driver-li", the version, and that it is the Conexant modem driver |
| 22:51.55 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: did you try dpkg -force option? |
| 22:52.44 | phylogenesis | I haven't. I'll try it now. |
| 22:52.54 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: man dpkg |
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| 22:59.13 | djshotglass | anyone know of a command line download manager (https) that uses multiple connections to get the file? |
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| 23:05.07 | dondelelcaro | djshotglass: there are some, but opening up multiple connections is not something you should be doing in general |
| 23:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpi.... |
| 23:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 23:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aget"? |
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| 23:13.08 | eightfold | anybody here installed debian on intel mac hardware? |
| 23:13.24 | Internat | hi guys, does anyone here have any tips or tutorials or a direction i can go looking in, in order to get the fm tuner on my winfast dtv2000 card to work? |
| 23:13.38 | gnarface | eightfold: i have. works great |
| 23:14.37 | eightfold | gnarface: sounds good, i have an old mac mini just collecting dust |
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| 23:15.44 | gnarface | eightfold: keyboard mappings might have slight errors or annoyances, but that comes and goes between sid updates |
| 23:16.24 | eightfold | gnarface: did you install grub to the mbr? |
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| 23:16.49 | eightfold | gnarface: keyboard mapping should be not trouble on a non-*book computer? |
| 23:17.49 | gnarface | eightfold: well it depends on which keyboard you have. you plug a pc usb keyboard in and it should be fine - sometimes the mac usb keyboards don't map the alt and ctl keys correctly. i'd expect those issues to be long gone but it's been since etch that i've tried this |
| 23:18.25 | eightfold | gnarface: i have a standard win usb keyboard |
| 23:18.30 | eightfold | gnarface: so, no prob |
| 23:19.01 | gnarface | eightfold: yes, i installed grub. keep in mind if you reformat as reiserfs or anything the os X disk can't understand you have to hold down some key (apple-T maybe?) to put os X back on |
| 23:19.21 | eightfold | gnarface: i think it might be this one: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Apple/Mac+mini+Core+Duo+1.66GHz+%28MA206LL%EF%BC%8FA%29 . i'm i reading right if it says the usb wont work? |
| 23:19.26 | gnarface | if you never intend to put os X back on it then there's no worry about that |
| 23:20.43 | gnarface | i don't recall having any issue with usb being entirely non-functional |
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| 23:22.15 | eightfold | gnarface: no, sounds weird. i guess it will work |
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| 23:22.44 | eightfold | http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel |
| 23:22.54 | eightfold | compling the kernel, that really shouldn't be necessary? |
| 23:22.59 | eightfold | old version of debian, too |
| 23:23.30 | neoice | ok, so grub/grub2 has totally exploded. and somehow, even doing a chroot, aptitude purge all-things-grub, and reinstalling, leaves mys system still unbootable. |
| 23:23.39 | neoice | Debian Sid, I hate you today. |
| 23:23.59 | moldovean | neoice, see #grub |
| 23:24.28 | gnarface | eightfold: i would not expect you to have to compile a new kernel with lenny or later, especially if you use the kmuto installer. i would *absolutely* take their advice and verify using OS X you have the latest firmware and if not update it before putting linux on. |
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| 23:25.47 | gnarface | eightfold: maybe the kernel recompile is only if you want to keep hfs+ support? |
| 23:27.18 | gnarface | eightfold: yea "The rest of this document remains purely for historical purposes for installation without the latest firmware and the BIOS compatibility mode that it provides." ... so get the latest firmware installed then get a lenny (or kmuto) boot disk and you should be solid |
| 23:28.00 | gnarface | we installed debian on about 2 dozen mac minis (god help me i don't know why) and didn't have any problems, but we DID upgrade the firmware on all of them first |
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| 23:30.24 | eightfold | gnarface: getting the latest firmware shouldn't be anything more than doing a software update, right? |
| 23:31.14 | eightfold | and, what is a kmuto boot disk? i see he's a developer |
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| 23:32.04 | djshotglass | dondelelcaro why shouldnt i open miltiple connections? |
| 23:32.18 | djshotglass | been doing it on windows for 10 years without a problem |
| 23:32.36 | amirman | hello, i've been trying to install e17 from their squeeze repo, i'm running squeeze but i get some weird output |
| 23:33.01 | amirman | http://pastebin.org/636409 - what does this mean? how can i try to fix it? |
| 23:34.12 | amirman | i'm not sure why apt-get would just tell me it's not going to install something without telling me why. |
| 23:34.31 | jpinx-eeepc | amirman: try using aptitude |
| 23:34.37 | amirman | i shall |
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| 23:35.39 | jpinx-eeepc | amirman: what package, what repo, what debian version? |
| 23:36.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Oops - just read the backscroll - sorry amirman :) |
| 23:36.30 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions e17 |
| 23:36.32 | judd | e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.49898-1 |
| 23:36.37 | gnarface | eightfold: i think that's how os X does it... if there's new firmware it'll prompt you during the software update. don't quote me on that though. |
| 23:36.40 | jdahm | I need to make a usb image of debian testing or sid for installation on a computer. I'm used to doing this with min. CDs. I saw a few links for USB images. Whats the best weekly build to use? |
| 23:36.44 | amirman | 636409 |
| 23:36.47 | gnarface | dpkg tell eightfold about kmuto |
| 23:36.48 | amirman | 636409 |
| 23:36.49 | jpinx-eeepc | amirman: it is not in squeeze |
| 23:37.01 | amirman | sorry, i didn't mean to post that |
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| 23:37.18 | amirman | here's what i got with aptitude http://pastebin.org/637568 |
| 23:37.33 | amirman | should i go ahead and "accept the solution"? |
| 23:37.37 | jpinx-eeepc | amirman: e17 is not in squeeze |
| 23:38.02 | amirman | enlightenment.org has an e17 repo specifically for squeeze |
| 23:38.17 | jpinx-eeepc | amirman: it is not an approved repo |
| 23:38.30 | amirman | i know, i'm being experimental |
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| 23:38.51 | jpinx-eeepc | then accept ;) |
| 23:38.54 | eightfold | gnarface: ah, thanks. lenny-custom-0116.iso would be the one? |
| 23:39.06 | eightfold | gnarface: are these builds usually stable? |
| 23:39.18 | amirman | ;) hehe, let's see if i break openbox, if i do it's not a big deal, i'll cope |
| 23:39.43 | amirman | i'm like the evil keneivel of debian |
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| 23:40.05 | stuckey | hi all |
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| 23:40.36 | jpinx-eeepc | stuckey: we are in here too ! |
| 23:40.51 | jpinx-eeepc | amirman: fairysnuff ;) |
| 23:41.07 | stuckey | I just installed nvidia drivers but now my screen resolution doesn't look right and mplayer doesn't give any output, audio or video. |
| 23:41.38 | stuckey | hi jpinx-eeepc :) |
| 23:41.55 | jpinx-eeepc | !crosspost |
| 23:42.10 | stuckey | The screen is smaller than my monitor size... it's like it is framed. |
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| 23:42.46 | amirman | i have no idea what i just did, but i did something woohoo |
| 23:42.46 | jpinx-eeepc | !xorg |
| 23:42.46 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:43.01 | Jouva | How do I install a kernel module such as dahdi? the "dahdi" package doesn't seem to have the kernel module as part of it, and thus doesn't properly work |
| 23:43.02 | jpinx-eeepc | stuckey: ââ |
| 23:43.09 | stuckey | Hmm.. yeah glxinfo | grep rendering fails. |
| 23:43.23 | stuckey | jpinx-eeepc: Oh, I forgot to configure X org. |
| 23:43.26 | jpinx-eeepc | stuckey: there is a limit to how many times I will do your legwork |
| 23:43.44 | stuckey | jpinx-eeepc: How do i stop x now so I can get to a console to configure it? |
| 23:43.58 | amirman | i'll be back in e17 soon hopefully |
| 23:44.16 | gnarface | eightfold: that's the kmuto installer that the bot told you about? then yes. |
| 23:44.25 | stuckey | foudn it, thanks, I'm going to try this now. |
| 23:44.47 | eightfold | gnarface: ok |
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| 23:47.17 | nsadmin | Jouva, where is the source for that module? |
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| 23:47.39 | stuckey | vdpau works perfect now, but the audio is coming out of the pc-spkr inside of my computer case. |
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| 23:48.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell stuckey about alsa checklist |
| 23:48.35 | nsadmin | Jouva, timeout |
| 23:48.43 | Jouva | hi? |
| 23:49.01 | phylogenesis | How do I view the current log of this channel? |
| 23:49.31 | phylogenesis | I was pointed ot the logs, but they don't include today |
| 23:49.45 | phylogenesis | It says l for current, but I don't know how I'm supposed to use 'l' |
| 23:49.49 | stuckey | I have to instal alsa-utils first. |
| 23:50.50 | moldovean | phylogenesis, today logs will be there tomorrow |
| 23:51.09 | jpinx-eeepc | yesterday is as close as te logs get |
| 23:51.42 | jpinx-eeepc | unless you are here, in which case it is sometime the day before yesterday |
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| 23:52.39 | moldovean | dpkg, tell Andorin about away |
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| 23:59.59 | phylogenesis | is there a system recover option? |
