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| 00:01.06 | moldovean | phylogenesis, backups ? |
| 00:01.32 | jpinx-eeepc | phylogenesis: what broke? |
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| 00:03.15 | neoice | is anyone here running sid? is this 'reboot start|stop' thing new? |
| 00:03.43 | phylogenesis | nevermind, the purge force-all option did it, yay! |
| 00:03.46 | phylogenesis | Thanks guys. |
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| 00:13.08 | gnarface | neoice: i'm running sid but i've got no idea what you're talking about |
| 00:13.17 | jdahm | can anyone point me to a mirror with a .img image of a debian installer? |
| 00:13.48 | jpinx-eeepc | !install |
| 00:13.49 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 00:13.58 | jpinx-eeepc | jdahm: ââ |
| 00:14.31 | jdahm | I didn't need that, I just wantd a irror that actually had a complete package listing. I finally found one however |
| 00:15.56 | jpinx-eeepc | jdahm: you asked for an installer.... |
| 00:16.10 | neoice | gnarface: I was in /etc/init.d and somehow '.' got added to my path :P |
| 00:16.25 | jdahm | I could only find .iso (non-hybrid) for the longest time, finally found a hybrid one though |
| 00:16.56 | gnarface | neoice: dear god. don't ever put . in your path |
| 00:18.08 | neoice | gnarface: I absolutely HATE that behavior, I'm not sure how it happened. |
| 00:18.28 | gnarface | ot |
| 00:18.47 | gnarface | it's quite dangerous, but perhaps some well-meaning noob did it so that bash would behave more like dos :-p |
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| 00:19.06 | neoice | yeah, I'm in /root and it wont execute any of the perl scripts here without ./ |
| 00:19.24 | neoice | hmmm |
| 00:19.33 | neoice | but I can replicate it in /etc/init.d still |
| 00:19.45 | neoice | I wonder if its a zsh thing |
| 00:19.55 | neoice | assuming that if I'm in init.d, I want to be executing things in there |
| 00:19.58 | gnarface | echo $PATH? |
| 00:20.03 | jdahm | isn't reboot just a link to shutdown -r ? |
| 00:20.10 | gnarface | jdahm: it should be |
| 00:20.12 | neoice | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin |
| 00:20.16 | neoice | its a standard path. |
| 00:20.22 | jdahm | why is this such a big deal...? |
| 00:20.44 | neoice | jdahm: it's just confusing when you type "reboot" and greeted with "Usage: reboot start|stop" |
| 00:21.02 | jdahm | haha maybe you have an extra /etc/init.d script for it |
| 00:21.17 | jdahm | or xinit.d |
| 00:21.27 | neoice | this is an odd init script |
| 00:21.34 | neoice | start) # No-op ;; |
| 00:21.40 | neoice | stop) do_stop ;; |
| 00:21.50 | jdahm | it's just trying to follow standard procedure I guess |
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| 00:37.29 | stew | neoice: you really don't want . in your path |
| 00:37.37 | stew | i assume you realize why not |
| 00:37.45 | neoice | stew: its not. thats why this is so confusing. |
| 00:37.59 | neoice | /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/auto/share/dist/Cope:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 00:38.29 | stew | odd |
| 00:38.34 | neoice | I really think its a zsh thing because it only applies in /etc/init.d and doesnt effect bash. |
| 00:39.24 | stew | hmm |
| 00:39.30 | stew | its certainly not a standard thing in zsh |
| 00:39.53 | gnarface | neoice: run "which reboot" |
| 00:39.54 | stew | that would be insanity |
| 00:40.10 | gnarface | neoice: or maybe "whereis reboot" |
| 00:41.05 | gnarface | neoice: on my system "whereis reboot" shows /sbin/reboot as the location, which is a symlink to /sbin/halt. maybe somehow your symlink got pointed to /etc/init.d/reboot in error? |
| 00:41.17 | neoice | http://pastebin.com/R20AtTgr |
| 00:41.32 | neoice | no, it changes based on being in init.d |
| 00:41.42 | gnarface | neoice: ls -l /sbin/reboot |
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| 00:41.58 | neoice | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 16 23:20 /sbin/reboot -> halt* |
| 00:42.06 | gnarface | blinks |
| 00:42.16 | neoice | I know I've made a lot of stupid mistakes this week, but I'm not an idiot :P |
| 00:42.38 | gnarface | well i don't know what to tell you, cause my system doesn't do that |
| 00:42.45 | neoice | its just odd |
| 00:42.48 | gnarface | if it's a zfs thing it's not a feature... it's a horrible horrible error |
| 00:42.59 | gnarface | very weird |
| 00:43.12 | gnarface | oh you said zsh not zfs |
| 00:43.18 | gnarface | yea i could believe it's a bug in zfs |
| 00:43.18 | neoice | I dunno, it makes sense conceptually. if you're in init.d, odds are you want to call scripts in there |
| 00:43.26 | neoice | hehe, again with the typo |
| 00:43.30 | neoice | I wish I had ZFS :( |
| 00:43.33 | gnarface | er, zsh! |
| 00:43.35 | gnarface | sorry sorry |
| 00:43.48 | neoice | damn CDDL/GPL incompatability |
| 00:43.49 | gnarface | i'd belive zsh could outsmart itself that way |
| 00:44.00 | gnarface | might be part of the local config though |
| 00:44.10 | neoice | it at least matches my usage. I often hang out in init.d and stop/start things |
| 00:44.12 | gnarface | you might be able to fix it by editing a text file |
| 00:44.33 | neoice | yeah, I'll poke around. are you guys looking on Lenny/Squeeze? |
| 00:44.38 | gnarface | sid here |
| 00:44.41 | neoice | because my lenny/squeeze/bpo box doesnt do this |
| 00:45.05 | stew | i've been using zsh for a long time on all systems and I've never heard of such a thing |
| 00:45.16 | stew | unless someone is crazy enough to have . in the path |
| 00:45.20 | neoice | yeah, I'm not even using zsh-beta. |
| 00:45.47 | neoice | I'll pour over my zshrc tonight, its kind of a monster. |
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| 00:58.36 | phylogenesis | My computer is building the hsf modem driver and has been for 20 minutes, what should I do? Ctrl+C and restart it? Just wait longer? |
| 00:59.05 | nkuttler | neoice: do you use zsh as system shell? just wondering.. |
| 00:59.39 | nsadmin | phylogenesis; does it seem to be running? can you see compiles go by? |
| 00:59.58 | neoice | nkuttler: I have no idea. didnt debian ask me to set dash as the system shell and I blindly obeyed? |
| 01:00.41 | phylogenesis | The computer isn't frozen, and the terminal isn't frozen, but it's not displaying any text beyond "Building ...", however the previous driver that was built did the same only it finished after a minute. |
| 01:00.45 | nkuttler | neoice: yeah. i just saw init scripts mentioned which use dash on my installs |
| 01:01.30 | nsadmin | phylogenesis: fire up another terminal, cd to the build dir and run du -s . repeatedly |
| 01:01.37 | nsadmin | does the number change? |
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| 01:02.07 | phylogenesis | Where is the build directory? |
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| 01:02.44 | mshadle | can someone here help me with the dreaded "grub2 tried updating my system, now it's stuck at a grub rescue prompt" |
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| 01:03.27 | phylogenesis | I think I see the dir. you are talking about |
| 01:04.02 | phylogenesis | No, the number doesn't change. |
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| 01:52.41 | wooden | i just set up a software raid1 with two disks using mdadm. what's the best way to monitor their health? |
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| 01:53.30 | BerMeJO | hi all |
| 01:54.05 | BerMeJO | i'm having problem with ndiswrapper and dwl-g520+ after system update --> http://pastebin.com/nfMsSkiL anybody can help me? |
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| 01:54.57 | BerMeJO | all look like ok, but i haven't got wlan0 link |
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| 01:57.52 | BerMeJO | nobody ? |
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| 02:04.56 | astrozombie138 | Hello |
| 02:05.25 | stew | wooden: the array health or the individual drive health? |
| 02:05.50 | macrobat | hello astrozombie138, you are in #debian |
| 02:06.21 | astrozombie138 | Can anyone help me out installing debian |
| 02:06.37 | astrozombie138 | I get to the detect network harware point, and it won't find an access point |
| 02:06.44 | wooden | stew: the array, primarily, but i suppose i want to know about the individual disks, too. i know about /proc/mdstat. shall i just write a script to monitor that for [_U], or will debian email me when a disk fails? |
| 02:07.08 | stew | wooden: make sure a valid MAILADDR is set in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and it will mail you |
| 02:07.16 | stew | (man mdadm.conf) |
| 02:07.20 | wooden | stew: ah, thanks. i was hoping. |
| 02:07.43 | stew | wooden: for drives, look at smartmontools perhaps |
| 02:08.17 | macrobat | astrozombie138: you have no internet cable? |
| 02:08.35 | astrozombie138 | nope |
| 02:08.41 | astrozombie138 | this motherboard has no ethernet port |
| 02:08.54 | stew | astrozombie138: its possible that you need non-free firmware which isn't on the install disk, but could perhaps be supplied on a usb key or some such. do you know what wireless chipset you have? |
| 02:09.00 | wooden | stew: also, there's been some frightening clicking going on with these disks. a friend suggested i might prolong their lives by blacklisting any bad blocks on them. is fsck the tool to do that sort of thing? |
| 02:09.12 | astrozombie138 | its a ralink rt73 |
| 02:09.32 | astrozombie138 | aka ralink 2510 |
| 02:10.02 | stew | wooden: badblocks is, but I don't know that a back block would cause clicking |
| 02:10.04 | macrobat | BerMeJO: do you have a "ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface" in that case, have you tried http://wiki.debian.org/acx |
| 02:10.13 | stew | wooden: definately see what smartmontools can find out about the drives |
| 02:10.25 | astrozombie138 | my wireless card worked with a Suse Net install |
| 02:10.28 | BerMeJO | hi |
| 02:10.36 | BerMeJO | it's very strange, it was running ok |
| 02:10.49 | astrozombie138 | I just don't like suse because Yast is slooow |
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| 02:11.13 | beardy | wooden: Back them up immediately. Clicking is bad mkay. |
| 02:12.39 | wooden | beardy: i made a raid1 out of them to back them up. :D |
| 02:13.17 | wooden | stew: will do, thanks. |
| 02:13.20 | beardy | wonders if it's a joke or not |
| 02:13.30 | astrozombie138 | so i need to supply the driver when i do a net install? |
| 02:15.09 | astrozombie138 | well then how do i blacklist the wrong driver ? and use the correct one? |
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| 02:17.13 | macrobat | you rmmod the driver you dont want (if it does something you dont want) and modprobe the one you want |
| 02:17.41 | stew | astrozombie138: you are going to have to do something like get the ralink-firmware package from the non-free repository and put it onto a usb key that can be read by the installer |
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| 02:18.05 | stew | astrozombie138: afaik the driver for your card is in debian, but the firmware cannot be |
| 02:18.11 | macrobat | yes, let the installer take care of it |
| 02:18.53 | astrozombie138 | well I did download the ralink.deb according to the wiki I just put that on a flash drive and it should see it |
| 02:19.12 | astrozombie138 | but it still didn't do anything |
| 02:21.21 | stew | astrozombie138: were you prompted by the installer at all about non-free firmware? |
| 02:21.37 | astrozombie138 | Nope |
| 02:21.40 | stew | its been a long time since I've installed debian, I don't know if one must do an 'expert' install in order to get that prompt |
| 02:21.50 | astrozombie138 | I did expert install |
| 02:22.13 | stew | (nor have I ever actually tried doing this) |
| 02:22.28 | astrozombie138 | this is exactly why i don't do do this with debian |
| 02:22.44 | astrozombie138 | but i have to because this computer is too slow |
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| 02:24.26 | astrozombie138 | all i want to do a base install and have my wireless card work, and it doesn't |
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| 02:25.21 | astrozombie138 | well i guess im stuck with Suse then |
| 02:26.17 | xdunlapx | astrozombie138, I know the feeling. Debian doesn't recognize my card during install either. I had to download and install a deb in order for it to be recognised. you're not alone. |
| 02:26.46 | astrozombie138 | and the fact that WPA doesnt work either |
| 02:27.32 | astrozombie138 | I mean I'm totally going to change my Office's AP to WEP just do i can use this crap machine |
| 02:27.56 | astrozombie138 | wich i only want to use because I need another router |
| 02:28.57 | stew | astrozombie138: wpa should work fine once you have firmware loaded for your card |
| 02:31.35 | astrozombie138 | is this the correct file format? http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.26.tar.gz |
| 02:31.50 | astrozombie138 | or do i need the .deb package? |
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| 02:39.10 | karlpinc | astrozombie138: The instructions in the install manual should be helpful. See: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en although that's i386 and your arch may vary. |
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| 02:54.58 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:55.04 | lenswipe | is it possible to use ubuntu debs with debian? |
| 02:56.03 | xdunlapx | lenswipe, it's possible but not recommended as they weren't made the same |
| 02:56.16 | stew | lenswipe: possible but very strongly discouraged unless you understand what you are doing. building the debs from the ubuntu sources against your debian system is typically a far better way |
| 02:56.31 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 03:00.52 | lenswipe | its just im trying to build launchy from source and failing dismally |
| 03:01.17 | lenswipe | http://www.launchy.net/download.php |
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| 03:01.33 | quhan | hello, I want to build kopete package, but get kdenetwork from apt source, how could I compile kopete in kdenetwork only? |
| 03:02.04 | quhan | how to modify the debian/rules? |
| 03:05.12 | stew | quhan: it might just be a matter of editing the control file, (and you'll want to make a changelog entry). |
| 03:05.34 | stew | quhan: you might ask #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
| 03:07.16 | quhan | could you suggest me some docs for debian/rules? |
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| 03:07.43 | quhan | I want know how to ignore some parts of kdenetwork |
| 03:08.35 | stew | quhan: since its cdbs, you'll want to look at /usr/share/doc/cdbs |
| 03:08.47 | stew | otherwise debian/rules is just a makefile |
| 03:09.02 | stew | but cdbs does a good job of adding a lot of mystery to the build process |
| 03:09.17 | quhan | i will try, thanks |
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| 03:09.44 | stew | oh and kdenetwork is built with cmak |
| 03:09.52 | stew | you'll probably end up having to edit the cmake buildfiles |
| 03:09.55 | stew | from the upstream source |
| 03:10.28 | stew | you are going to spend much more time trying to figure out how not to build this stuff than it would take to build this stuff several times over |
| 03:10.35 | reklipz1 | Hey folks. I've followed the first workaround shown here (http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer) for flash on amd64 in squeeze. however, there is no sound when using flash. how can I fix this. |
| 03:11.17 | rking | reklipz1: I have no idea, but I do know how you can somehow find out: strace |
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| 03:12.24 | rking | reklipz1: There are a lot of details you could give in your statement of the problem, btw---like what sound architecture you're using, etc. |
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| 03:13.10 | reklipz1 | rking: I'm using alsa, the default unless I'm mistaken, and my alsa conf is setup with my card:device as default, and the architecture is working fine. |
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| 03:13.28 | reklipz1 | rking: I think nspluginwrapper / flash do some pulse dance, dont' they? |
| 03:13.59 | rking | reklipz1: Right, I'm just saying you could mention that when you're asking the channel. And yep, I saw the thing talking about pulseaudio. I don't know if that was just telling you how to make pulse work if you already had it working, or if it's recommended |
| 03:14.55 | quhan | stew: I can't success compile it, because a kppp error. |
| 03:15.21 | quhan | stew: in fact, I need kopete only..so.. |
| 03:15.29 | stew | quhan: why are you trying to compile at all instead of just using the binary that debian provides? |
| 03:15.43 | stew | quhan: and is this failure to build worthy of filing a bug? |
| 03:16.45 | quhan | I have made a patch for kopete |
| 03:16.58 | stew | and your patch breaks the build for kppp? |
| 03:17.04 | quhan | no |
| 03:17.11 | stew | why isn't kppp building? |
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| 03:18.13 | reklipz1 | rking: I'm pretty sure that when using pulse audio, they are setting up alsa to pass through to pulse -- e.g. that isn't my issue (pulse) |
| 03:18.34 | quhan | then it gives me "dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2" error |
| 03:18.36 | stew | quhan: do you can't build the source package before you patch? |
| 03:18.46 | stew | quhan: did you check the bts? |
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| 03:19.11 | roky | hey everyone. |
| 03:19.26 | quhan | I will try it. |
| 03:21.36 | quhan | stew: I forget to patch the code, so the failure happens without my patch.. |
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| 03:22.18 | stew | heh, i was going to try building it in a chroot but it wants to download 415 new packages to build |
| 03:22.44 | stew | quhan: if the source package FTBFS, that shoulld be filed |
| 03:22.44 | quhan | stew: and my patch change a little code in qq protocol of kopete, I dont think it will trouble to kppp.. |
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| 03:23.15 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 03:23.30 | lenswipe | can someone help me? im having issues building an executable of launchy from source? |
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| 03:24.43 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/jASr6g3y |
| 03:25.31 | lenswipe | could someone take a look at that and tell me what the problem is |
| 03:25.51 | lenswipe | if its a problem with launchy itself or if its some problem with the way i have debian configured or what |
| 03:26.13 | stew | lenswipe: install build-essential |
| 03:26.18 | lenswipe | ah |
| 03:26.19 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 03:26.22 | stew | lenswipe: you might want to fix either your clock or the file times |
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| 03:26.56 | lenswipe | stew, no its my clock thats screwed it doesnt seem to wana sync with my timeserver for some reason |
| 03:27.11 | stew | probably because it is too far off to begin with |
| 03:27.46 | lenswipe | stew, it should still sync up tho shouldnt it? |
| 03:27.51 | stew | no |
| 03:27.51 | Raptors | hey guys |
| 03:27.57 | lenswipe | stew, orly? |
| 03:27.58 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 03:28.02 | Raptors | Is there a way to tell SSH to start on startup? |
| 03:28.13 | stew | lenswipe: do you have ntp installed? |
| 03:28.17 | lenswipe | stew, sure do |
| 03:28.30 | stew | lenswipe: set the clock to be at least close then restart ntp |
| 03:28.31 | roky | raptors: server, or client? |
| 03:28.33 | lenswipe | i also have a local time server which debian was synxing with until a few days ago |
| 03:28.35 | lenswipe | ok |
| 03:28.48 | Raptors | roky, client |
| 03:29.37 | roky | Well, startup your terminal at startup, then go to your options inside that terminal, and give it a command to do when it launches. |
| 03:29.54 | roky | example: ssh username@hostname |
| 03:30.15 | stew | lenswipe: i believe that if your clock is off by more than 1000 seconds ntp gives up |
| 03:30.32 | Raptors | roky, but what about the password? |
| 03:30.34 | JairunCaloth | Man, pypanel is nice. I wonder why no one has kept developing it |
| 03:30.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: I think Debian starts it with -g nowadays, though |
| 03:30.54 | stew | dondelelcaro: oh does that get rid of the limit? |
| 03:30.57 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah |
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| 03:31.02 | roky | Raptors: You want ssh to log you in with your password? |
| 03:31.14 | stew | in any case, if his clock is more than 5 years off, he might as well give it a little help |
| 03:31.14 | roky | thats like logging into root without a password... |
| 03:31.23 | rking | stew: Do you know about authorized_keys ? |
| 03:31.28 | dondelelcaro | stew: true. ;-) |
| 03:31.40 | roky | In any means, I'm not sure how you would do that. Sorry mate. |
| 03:31.57 | lenswipe | stew, orly? ok i restarted ntp (/etc/init.d/ntp restart) and the time aint correcting itself - ima make sure that ntpd is running on my timeserve |
| 03:32.00 | lenswipe | timeserver* |
| 03:32.16 | dondelelcaro | Raptors: you can log in without a password using ssh keys, but there's generally no reason to do so at boot |
| 03:32.48 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: you may also want to just point your machine at 0.debian.pool.ntp.org etc. as is done by default |
| 03:32.57 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 03:33.28 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, although i like to use only a local time source as it makes things like kerberos much simpler |
| 03:34.29 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: well, it shouldn't normally matter, but whatever works |
| 03:34.34 | lenswipe | stew, how do i force an ntp update from command line? id be interested to hear what debian has to say when the time update fails |
| 03:34.57 | peterrooney | lenswipe: rdate might be more useful. no complaints about massive time mismatches. |
| 03:35.02 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, kerberos shits a brick if you're machines are more than x seconds out |
| 03:35.04 | roky | The sid repo's are considered to be bleeding edge yes? |
| 03:35.23 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: right, which they shouldn't be if you're using the tier two timeservers which are in the pool |
| 03:35.33 | lenswipe | ok |
| 03:35.43 | peterrooney | roky: sid is the broken edge. |
| 03:35.45 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: my machines are always within a second of real time using the pool servers |
| 03:35.46 | lenswipe | how do i force a time update? |
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| 03:36.00 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: if you start ntpd, by default in Debian it'll update the time |
| 03:36.13 | lenswipe | but i mean specifically force a time update |
| 03:36.24 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, well my local time server sync with upstream timeservers anyways so.... |
| 03:36.26 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: you don't need to; ntpd handles that all automatically |
| 03:36.36 | lenswipe | yes but that way it doesnt give me info about failiures |
| 03:36.42 | lenswipe | i want to force a time update and see that info |
| 03:36.48 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: huh? |
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| 03:37.04 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: if you want to see what is going on, run ntpq, and check out the outout from the peers command |
| 03:37.21 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, well my local time server |
| 03:37.23 | lenswipe | oops |
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| 03:37.27 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.33 | lenswipe | err sorry for that paste |
| 03:38.01 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: so as you can tell, your clock is way out. Restart ntpd with the -g option, and check it out again. |
| 03:38.11 | lenswipe | ok |
| 03:38.58 | dondelelcaro | (the -g option is the default in Debian) |
| 03:38.59 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, what is that suppsed to do? |
| 03:39.03 | lenswipe | the -g |
| 03:39.16 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: it ignores the panic threshold; man ntpd |
| 03:39.19 | stew | lenswipe: override the 1000 second limit that I was talking about |
| 03:39.26 | lenswipe | ah ok |
| 03:39.37 | sssslang | does someone got a blank screen when start kde after upgrade. i'm using squeeze and i don't know how to find where's the problem. |
| 03:39.39 | lenswipe | that seems to have worked |
| 03:40.01 | lenswipe | ....or not |
| 03:40.09 | lenswipe | the time is fixed but i still cant build launchy |
| 03:40.15 | stew | lenswipe: does /etc/default/ntp not have "NTPD_OPTS='-g'" ? |
| 03:40.26 | stew | lenswipe: did you install build-essential? |
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| 03:40.59 | lenswipe | stew, yes, lemme pastebin the error |
| 03:41.03 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/YTmMKHKh |
| 03:42.27 | stew | lenswipe: look at the first error, then use apt-file to see what package you have to install to get boost/shared_ptr.hpp installed: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 03:43.15 | lenswipe | the first error? |
| 03:43.16 | lenswipe | ./../src/catalog_builder.h:30: error: boost is not a namespace-name |
| 03:43.33 | lenswipe | oh wait no |
| 03:43.35 | lenswipe | precompiled.h:34:32: error: boost/shared_ptr.hpp: No such file or directory |
| 03:44.27 | lenswipe | stew, boost/shared_ptr.hpp |
| 03:44.29 | lenswipe | oops |
| 03:44.36 | lenswipe | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 03:44.38 | lenswipe | there |
| 03:44.43 | lenswipe | i cant use apt-file O_O |
| 03:48.14 | stew | lenswipe: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 03:52.48 | lenswipe | stew, root@samba:~# /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 03:52.49 | lenswipe | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 03:53.02 | stew | dpkg: tell lenswipe about apt-file |
| 03:53.24 | stew | lenswipe: it was intended as an irc command, not a shell command |
| 03:53.36 | lenswipe | oic |
| 03:53.38 | lenswipe | lol |
| 03:53.40 | lenswipe | sorry |
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| 04:05.25 | lenswipe|server | ok so... |
| 04:06.54 | lenswipe|server | stew, i ran apt-file update and its just hanging doing nothing |
| 04:06.54 | lenswipe|server | :/ |
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| 04:07.17 | wooden | will installing oss break my existing alsa config? |
| 04:07.44 | lenswipe|server | stew, Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 04:20.20 | lenswipe|server | stew, any suggestions? |
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| 04:21.57 | tuv | my e6600 is running at 3GHz (333MHz FSB) at 36C, but won't go beyond 333MHz. i think my ram is holding me off (800MHz OCZ) and this motherboard won't let me hold the RAM freq. back and increase FSB :( |
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| 04:23.02 | tuv | RAM now running at 416, or 833 |
| 04:24.55 | lenswipe|server | tuv, in what way is that pertinant do debian? |
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| 04:28.39 | lenswipe | stew, poke |
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| 04:47.23 | tuv | lenswipe: *I* run debian. *I* am running an e6600 at 3GHz ... |
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| 04:59.09 | vsmatck | *I* run debian. *I* drive a volvo. I'm going to talk about my volvo all day in #debian. |
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| 04:59.33 | vsmatck | Easy to see contradiction. I hope your honest with yourself. |
| 05:00.28 | ongolaBoy | hello.does the DNS protocol only use the UDP layer or it can use the TCP too ? |
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| 05:02.33 | vsmatck | ongolaBoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System#Protocol_details |
| 05:04.13 | ongolaBoy | vsmatck: thanks :) |
| 05:05.23 | tuv | *I* let debian drive a volvo. *I* go home |
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| 05:12.16 | alcy | folks, running into a problem with debian installer for squeeze with usb boot. first, the installer says it can't find a disk with an iso image, after which I manually select scan disks from the menu. After detecting the iso from usb, it then fails to load the kernel modules. |
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| 05:16.24 | BerMeJo | hi all |
| 05:16.44 | BerMeJo | anybody can give me any tip to install acx100 in debian testing (not supported) |
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| 05:31.02 | Gokee2 | So I am working on trying to get a bootable USB stick to install Debian on a netbook. I am getting the message "vesamenu.c32 not a com32r menu". I am assuming it has to do with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591480 bug? I am not sure what that bug means though... Both syslinux-common and syslinux on the system I am trying to make the USB stick from are up to date... Do I need to remake the menu somehow? |
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| 05:52.23 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: FWICT, that means that vesamenu.c32 is the old unrelocateable version, and you need to update it to the newer version |
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| 05:53.10 | Gokee2 | dondelelcaro, It seems to boot now, I downgraded to the lenny version of syslinux |
| 05:53.34 | dondelelcaro | right; you can either do that, or update vesamenu.c32 |
| 05:53.43 | Gokee2 | dondelelcaro, Problem is the Debian installer does not seem to like running from a USB stick instead of a CD |
| 05:53.55 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: oh, it runs fine from a USB stick |
| 05:54.22 | Gokee2 | dondelelcaro, What image should I get? I tried with the standard CD image.... |
| 05:54.29 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: doesn't matter |
| 05:54.42 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: you just need an image which is matched to the kernel that you install |
| 05:55.08 | Gokee2 | dondelelcaro, Then how do I get past the "Load installer components from CD" part? |
| 05:55.35 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: you did just copy the CD to the fat filesystem on the usb key, right? |
| 05:56.13 | Gokee2 | dondelelcaro, Right, then moved stuff from isolinux into the root of the USB stick and ran syslinux |
| 05:56.47 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: which stuff from isolinux:? |
| 05:58.13 | Gokee2 | dondelelcaro, In the end I just moved everything, I had started with isolinux.bin and isolinux.cfg renaming them though |
| 05:58.25 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: in any event, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 is the thing to look at; it has a very specific information on what to do |
| 05:58.38 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: you don't need to have any of that there |
| 05:59.09 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: if it's a new fat32 filesystem, just run syslinux, then shove the initrd.gz and vmlinuz from the hdimage files corresponding to the version of the CD that you're going to use |
| 05:59.35 | Gokee2 | Ah! I should have thought to read that manual! I had been trying to work from http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 05:59.59 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: then mount the USB device, create a syslinux.cfg file, and copy the cd onto the mounted usb device |
| 06:00.09 | dondelelcaro | oh; yeah, that's something else |
| 06:01.11 | Gokee2 | Ok, time to redo my stick then :) |
| 06:01.14 | Gokee2 | Thanks |
| 06:05.04 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 06:37.51 | iluminator101 | hmm....vlc goes black after a while??? |
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| 06:41.36 | Bop | hi can i echo something to a file with chattr +a , and cant add it with vi , wont save the file ? |
| 06:41.39 | Bop | vi bug ? |
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| 07:06.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bop: no, that sounds expected |
| 07:06.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bop: editing in vi overwrites the file, not appends it |
| 07:07.10 | Bop | ok |
| 07:07.12 | Bop | :_| |
| 07:07.26 | Bop | thanks |
| 07:08.17 | project2501a | *Yawn* |
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| 07:58.18 | austin987 | howdy, I'm using debian etch on Sparc in a qemu vm. I need to update etch to lenny, but glibc doesn't support sparc v8 anymore. Does anyone know if any of the cpu's qemu can emulate are supported? list is here: http://pastebin.com/QYtuQwwa |
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| 08:05.14 | alcy | What part of the init mechanism should I be looking at in Squeeze when facing this issue: I have got policy-rc.d preventing scripts to be run by invoke-rc.d mechanism. This works for that session alright, but on reboot the service is started. |
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| 08:06.04 | dondelelcaro | alcy: policy-rc.d is just for controlling whether packages start services when they are installed; if you want to control the service otherwise, change the rc?.d symlinks |
| 08:07.34 | hyper_ch | hello there, I've written a couple of small scripts that should be autorun at bootup. However now I'd like to also start a VBox VM at boot up but this shouldn't be run as root... so how can I specify a different user in the init scripts? |
| 08:07.47 | alcy | dondelelcaro: for some reason (changes in init mech I guess), the runit-policy-rc.d is unable to prevent services from starting at boot...which happened fine in Lenny. |
| 08:09.58 | alcy | dondelelcaro: I mean, it behaves expectedly, for eg., to prevent services start-up during package installation. but in Lenny it was also able to take care of the boot sequence/services. |
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| 08:11.48 | alcy | dondelelcaro: I think it might have something to do with the .depend files (I presume introduced in squeeze) |
| 08:12.05 | mns | I need to downgrade cups 1.4.4-2 to 1.4.3-1, how do I do that ? aptitude can't seem to find it in repositories for squeeze as far as I can tell. |
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| 08:14.34 | dutchfish | judd versions cups |
| 08:14.34 | judd | cups -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; squeeze: 1.4.4-2; sid: 1.4.4-3 |
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| 08:15.42 | dutchfish | mns: you could get it out of the archives |
| 08:15.42 | mns | damn should've said no to the upgrade ! |
| 08:16.12 | mns | dutchfish: how do I get it out of the arvhices ? just browse to it, download the deb and install from my system ? |
| 08:18.56 | dutchfish | mns: http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 08:20.30 | dutchfish | mns: but generally you shouldnt, ie the package was updated for a reason, mostly to fix bugs |
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| 08:24.21 | mns | dutchfish: yes but libcups2 has a severe bug in it the workaround for which is to downgrade to 1.4.3-1 |
| 08:24.28 | ShapeShifter499 | m4v video files played in debian? yes? no? |
| 08:24.30 | dutchfish | mns: ah ok |
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| 08:33.28 | BuffaloSouljah | I had some trouble recently viewing quicktime vids. did anyone eknow anything about that? |
| 08:33.55 | BuffaloSouljah | I've got ffmpeg, vlc, mplayer, xine and all the necessary (I thought) drivers, but...\ |
| 08:33.57 | BuffaloSouljah | stil nothing |
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| 08:34.56 | nsadmin | "did anyone know anything about that" ==> |
| 08:35.00 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 08:35.00 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 08:41.09 | xperia | hello to all. i need help with recovering a innodb table that got defect after a powerloss. anybody here how can advice me how can i repair a innodb table "innodbdata1" and save my data from the file ? have asked in mysql channel but there is nearly nobody how is willing to help. |
| 08:42.00 | xperia | trying to solve this problem now since two days without success :-( |
| 08:43.01 | xperia | will never use innodb storage engine. did not know that is such difficult to restore the data after a powerloss |
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| 08:43.21 | maix | i use squeeze, and there are lots of package updates with "new upstream version" - hasn't squeeze been freezed? |
| 08:44.34 | nsadmin | maix, did you upgrade before this and after freeze? |
| 08:45.23 | maix | this? |
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| 08:45.44 | BuffaloSouljah | "squeeze" sounds sexy |
| 08:45.56 | BuffaloSouljah | nsaadmin come again? |
| 08:46.06 | swoody | yeah, but 'unstable' sounds like it would be a better time ;) |
| 08:46.09 | BuffaloSouljah | nsadmin* |
| 08:46.26 | DanDare | Hello. When I create a GPG key, where its stored on Debian ? |
| 08:46.39 | maix | nsadmin: I did not upgrade debian itself, it runs on squeeze since two months or so |
| 08:46.43 | maix | DanDare: ~/.gnupg |
| 08:46.45 | BuffaloSouljah | does anyone know about the Quicktime compatibility issues? it's not for every video, just some |
| 08:46.57 | DanDare | thankx maix |
| 08:47.34 | nsadmin | ALL questions of the form "does anyone know about (insert problem here)" are answered in the bts |
| 08:47.56 | maix | nsadmin: but the upgrades with the new upstream version occured after the freeze (mercurial today for example) - don't know which you meant with upgrade |
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| 08:48.09 | BuffaloSouljah | bts? |
| 08:48.20 | nsadmin | scroll up :P |
| 08:48.36 | nsadmin | gain conversational following skills please |
| 08:48.52 | BuffaloSouljah | fuck you |
| 08:49.00 | BuffaloSouljah | that's very rude |
| 08:49.09 | BuffaloSouljah | I'm sorry if I don't understand the lingo |
| 08:49.12 | BuffaloSouljah | I'm very new to IRC |
| 08:49.18 | BuffaloSouljah | but I won't have you disrespect me |
| 08:49.28 | BuffaloSouljah | I'm busy with other things |
| 08:49.38 | BuffaloSouljah | anywa, it's a minor issue |
| 08:49.41 | KB1JWQ | BuffaloSouljah: You can be civil or you can leave. |
| 08:49.44 | BuffaloSouljah | I won't get my panties in a wad |
| 08:49.50 | BuffaloSouljah | tha'ts what I'm asking YOU |
| 08:49.51 | BuffaloSouljah | don' |
| 08:49.55 | BuffaloSouljah | t try to turn the tables |
| 08:50.08 | BuffaloSouljah | you are being very rude |
| 08:50.16 | BuffaloSouljah | nsadmin |
| 08:50.19 | KB1JWQ | All I've seen is you ranting. |
| 08:50.27 | BuffaloSouljah | nsadmin: gain conversational following skills please |
| 08:50.34 | BuffaloSouljah | I asked a simple question |
| 08:50.42 | BuffaloSouljah | I can't stand this condescension |
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| 08:50.42 | KB1JWQ | He's right. Your question was answered just above. |
| 08:50.54 | BuffaloSouljah | right, but he didn't have to be rude about it |
| 08:50.58 | KB1JWQ | BuffaloSouljah: So by all means /part, but this is ridiculous. |
| 08:50.59 | BuffaloSouljah | I simply didn't see the comment |
| 08:51.09 | BuffaloSouljah | not ridiculous |
| 08:51.10 | nsadmin | that's my fault? |
| 08:51.14 | BuffaloSouljah | ugh |
| 08:51.15 | cahoot | BuffaloSouljah: cool it it's just irc |
| 08:51.22 | BuffaloSouljah | I didn't say it was anyone's "fault" |
| 08:51.27 | BuffaloSouljah | I never mentioned the word |
| 08:51.35 | BuffaloSouljah | I simply said it was rude of you to speak in such a way |
| 08:51.45 | BuffaloSouljah | pperhaps I overreacted |
| 08:51.50 | BuffaloSouljah | but then, that was uncalled for |
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| 08:52.03 | cahoot | BuffaloSouljah: cool it - and go easy on the enter key |
| 08:52.13 | BuffaloSouljah | fuck this |
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| 08:52.39 | nsadmin | get used to it; it's not a way of disrespecting anyone. you're asking a question that is answered using an already existing structure |
| 08:52.41 | KB1JWQ | Such a delightful user. I wish we had more of them just like him. |
| 08:53.30 | nsadmin | let's all tone it down (myself included) |
| 08:55.04 | hyper_ch | hmmm, Buffalo asks people to treat him nicely but tells other ones to "fuck you".... |
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| 08:55.23 | nsadmin | he or she is gone |
| 08:56.05 | hyper_ch | I noticed that s/he/it is gone :) |
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| 08:59.44 | sphenxes | That will be my first upgrade in debian (from lenny to the next version squeeze). My question: How can I update my system when squeeze is available. 1. Reinstall the whole system 2. There is other way around (I think there is something easier than that) |
| 09:00.26 | nsadmin | one of debian's main claim to faim is the ability to upgrade in place |
| 09:00.39 | liable | you follow the release notes and change your version in sources.list |
| 09:00.50 | hyper_ch | sphenxes: any reasons you want to go to squeeze? |
| 09:00.55 | liable | s/version/release/ |
| 09:00.57 | nsadmin | release notes? where?? |
| 09:01.05 | liable | when it releases |
| 09:01.16 | liable | note he said when its available.. |
| 09:01.22 | sphenxes | liable, thanks |
| 09:01.33 | liable | yw |
| 09:01.51 | nsadmin | if you have a spare machine laying around you can try it now |
| 09:02.00 | KB1JWQ | Or a VM. |
| 09:02.00 | hyper_ch | or try it in a VM |
| 09:02.14 | liable | or just wait until its ready.. |
| 09:02.25 | sphenxes | thanks good tip, i have not thought about it |
| 09:02.25 | KB1JWQ | DOn't suppose there's a method to go from i386 to x86_64? :-) |
| 09:02.37 | hyper_ch | in a vm? |
| 09:02.46 | KB1JWQ | Yes. |
| 09:02.50 | liable | KB1JWQ: nope |
| 09:02.57 | sphenxes | virtual machine (vm) |
| 09:03.05 | hyper_ch | host can run 32 bit and guest an run 64 bit |
| 09:03.22 | hyper_ch | but no clue on how to directly convert a 32bit os to 64bit |
| 09:03.24 | KB1JWQ | Host is 64, guest is 32. |
| 09:03.52 | nsadmin | kb1: there's a way that involves full reinstall, but other than that you can't jump arches |
| 09:04.10 | hyper_ch | KB1JWQ: save the sources.list, get a list of the installed packages.... setup a 64bit OS :) |
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| 09:06.28 | sphenxes | before i make mistake, i would like to install on virtual box. my host computer is 64 bit, should i download squeeze 32 bit for my virtual box |
| 09:06.33 | hyper_ch | what virtualization software would you use to setup a WinServer 2008 guest on a 64bit debian stable host? This far I use VBox but I wonder if KVM would be better |
| 09:07.14 | swoody | is there an easy way to revert all audio settings to their default state? |
| 09:07.15 | nsadmin | I do have one q, has BuffaloSouljah been here before? |
| 09:07.19 | hyper_ch | sphenxes: depends... does your hardware allow 64bit virtualization? |
| 09:07.54 | sphenxes | hyper_ch, i don't know, but i think virtual box use 32 bit only |
| 09:08.07 | sphenxes | that is my question |
| 09:08.32 | hyper_ch | VB allows 64bit guests IIRC - question is if your hardware allows it |
| 09:09.02 | sphenxes | hyper_ch, yes my hardware is 64bit. thanks i got the answer right now |
| 09:09.25 | hyper_ch | sphenxes: 64bit hardware does not necessarily allow 64bit guests |
| 09:09.35 | hyper_ch | intel cpus and mobos must support VT |
| 09:09.40 | hyper_ch | and on amd I'm not sure |
| 09:11.50 | hyper_ch | AMD-V needs to be enable and supported by bios and cpu on AMD systems |
| 09:11.50 | sphenxes | hyper_ch, i have intel e5300 which support vt. now i should look for my mobo |
| 09:11.50 | hyper_ch | in order to run 64bit guests |
| 09:11.50 | hyper_ch | sphenxes: rather look whether you can enable/disable VT in the bios |
| 09:11.51 | hyper_ch | or you can just try by trying to setup the vm with a 64bit installer cd :) |
| 09:11.51 | sphenxes | hyper_ch, thanks i will look in the bios first |
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| 09:14.42 | Arrowmaster | you can check /proc/cpuinfo to see if your cpu supports AMD-V or VT, does anybody know if it shows up there if its not enabled in the bios? |
| 09:15.25 | Arrowmaster | logically i wouldnt think it would be listed there if it was disabled but i dont know |
| 09:17.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | wont be listed afaik |
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| 09:20.12 | ROKO__ | debian kde 4.5 ? |
| 09:20.31 | Arrowmaster | ,versions kde |
| 09:20.32 | judd | kde -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 09:20.45 | ROKO__ | how install |
| 09:20.55 | Arrowmaster | aptitude install kde |
| 09:21.04 | ROKO__ | for 4.5 ? |
| 09:21.26 | Arrowmaster | ,versions kde-base |
| 09:21.29 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde-base' was found. |
| 09:22.19 | ROKO__ | ^^ |
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| 09:24.41 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue how to read these version numbers but i think the version of kde in debian testing/unstable is 4.4.5 |
| 09:24.51 | Arrowmaster | which would mean no kde 4.5 |
| 09:26.28 | hyper_ch | there's a kde 4.5 repo for kubuntu... it could work on debian but more likely it will f*** up the system |
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| 09:27.04 | Arrowmaster | its ubuntu, of course it will f*** up the system |
| 09:27.19 | hyper_ch | ubuntu runs fine as desktop OS :) |
| 09:27.34 | hyper_ch | well, kubuntu does... not sure about ubuntu |
| 09:27.35 | Arrowmaster | what i mean is you cant mix debian and ubuntu |
| 09:27.58 | hyper_ch | sure you can mix it... but it's not really advised :) |
| 09:28.26 | Arrowmaster | i want to slap some ubuntu maintainers until i find out why some packages that are in both distros have completely different versioning schemes |
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| 09:28.39 | Arrowmaster | ones x.y.z and the other is 1:x.y.z etc |
| 09:29.07 | hyper_ch | well, debian seems to have a interesting versioning scheme: [11:20] <judd> kde -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 09:29.19 | Arrowmaster | thats a meta package |
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| 09:29.43 | Arrowmaster | all the packages in the kde-standard package seem to have 4:4.4.5 versions |
| 09:30.36 | Arrowmaster | ,versions libpurple0 |
| 09:30.37 | judd | libpurple0 -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-backports: 2.7.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.2-1; sid: 2.7.3-1 |
| 09:30.50 | Arrowmaster | that package is 1:2.x.y in ubuntu i know for a fact |
| 09:30.55 | hyper_ch | kdebase-workspace_4%3a4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_all.deb |
| 09:31.03 | Arrowmaster | for some unknown damn reason |
| 09:31.34 | hyper_ch | ubuntu seems to list it fine |
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| 09:31.57 | hyper_ch | 4:4.5.0b-0 |
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| 09:33.09 | Arrowmaster | and i have something that comes in a .deb with a requirement on libpurple0 >= 1:2.5.0 so completely not installable on debian without editing the package, yeah im still bitter about that one |
| 09:33.45 | hyper_ch | Arrowmaster: is that on debian or buntu? |
| 09:34.19 | nsadmin | Arrowmaster, sounds like you could be mixing debian and ubuntu |
| 09:34.31 | Arrowmaster | the package that isnt installable? its in neither systems repos but was created against ubuntu |
| 09:35.51 | nsadmin | if you're running debian now, probably your best bet is to build the package from source |
| 09:36.06 | hyper_ch | building packages is tough |
| 09:36.12 | Arrowmaster | except it cant be built from source without editing it |
| 09:36.43 | Arrowmaster | because ubuntu added a needless 1: to the version numbers of a package its dependent on |
| 09:36.47 | nsadmin | a ubuntu package has a very small chance of working; you need to build against your existing libs |
| 09:36.52 | quitte | does anything but pidgin use libpurple? |
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| 09:39.06 | Arrowmaster | nsadmin: the project provides .deb's for debian and ubuntu now after i bitched about the .deb being ubuntu specific |
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| 09:39.54 | nsadmin | ok, so then what does the problem become? |
| 09:40.15 | Arrowmaster | but still i want to slap a ubuntu maintainer over why a project would have to change their depandancies versions between distros |
| 09:40.47 | Arrowmaster | but its a good example of why trying to mix debian and any ubuntu repo is a disaster waiting to happen |
| 09:40.49 | nsadmin | oh, it's #hit-ubuntu-maint-on-head-lessons for that |
| 09:41.08 | Arrowmaster | its empty |
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| 09:42.00 | nsadmin | oh noes, they've banged once too often... |
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| 09:44.32 | pallgone | I'm using emerald .debs from lucid on squeeze |
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| 09:45.01 | Arrowmaster | how stable is it? |
| 09:45.16 | pallgone | what? squeeze? |
| 09:45.28 | Arrowmaster | last time i tried just plain compiz in squeeze it wasnt anywhere close to stable |
| 09:45.51 | pallgone | pretty good, no problems really |
| 09:47.57 | HackeMate | hi, can i limit the bandwitch of each computer in my lan? |
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| 09:56.00 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 10:01.01 | HackeMate | no result |
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| 10:06.43 | hyper_ch | one option would be setting up openvpn... you can set limits there easily... but the setup probably isn't as easy :) |
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| 10:31.28 | foormea | hi |
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| 10:32.45 | foormea | i'm a gentoo user and i have experience with ubuntu, but i wanna give a try to debian. i'm having the following issue: i have NO wire lan cable, ONLY wireless net. my wlan is iwl3945 with wpa2 |
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| 10:33.29 | foormea | the debian version i've installed (5.0.something? :D) needs microcode, and i've noticed that there's no wpa_supplicant in my instal |
| 10:34.04 | foormea | could someone please tell me 1. where should i put the microcode file? 2. what are the deps for wpa_supplicant so i can manually download the debs from my gentoo and install them later in my debian? |
| 10:34.06 | foormea | thank you :) |
| 10:34.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: iwl |
| 10:34.16 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: are you using Windows? |
| 10:34.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: iwl3945 |
| 10:34.21 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:34.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | foormea: have a look at ^^ |
| 10:34.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: iwl is perhaps you wanted iwl3945 |
| 10:34.50 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: okay |
| 10:34.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: iwl |
| 10:34.53 | dpkg | well, iwl is perhaps you wanted iwl3945 |
| 10:35.00 | foormea | Kamping_Kaiser: thank you :) |
| 10:35.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | foormea: np |
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| 10:41.42 | foormea | i'm silly i didn't even think of chrooting into my debian from gentoo before :) |
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| 10:47.42 | Aldus | hi. I have got some issues while trying to install stuff with apt-get, I get errors such as unable to create `./usr/bin/pear': Permission denied . What should I do? |
| 10:48.12 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: stop mounting /usr as read-only :P |
| 10:48.25 | thewanderer1 | (or run apt-get as root) |
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| 10:49.43 | Aldus | problem is - I AM root :| |
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| 10:50.06 | thewanderer1 | are you mounting /usr with noexec option? do you run SELinux? are you on Debian? |
| 10:51.19 | Aldus | I am on debian lenny, it was built by a Linode software. How to check if it's noexec ? |
| 10:51.29 | thewanderer1 | `mount` |
| 10:51.47 | thewanderer1 | it'll return mount lines, look for strange options in /usr mount |
| 10:51.58 | Aldus | no /usr here :O |
| 10:52.24 | Aldus | http://nopaste.info/e85c83f8b9.html |
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| 10:52.53 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: what kernel? uname -a |
| 10:52.58 | Solow | [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] |
| 10:53.02 | Aldus | Linux li185-44 2.6.34-linode27 #1 SMP Fri Jul 16 17:28:50 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:53.25 | Solow | Why are there so many options, that I dont understand? Which one do I need, I want to set up a server. |
| 10:53.37 | stew | note that its not fail to exec but fail to create |
| 10:53.41 | stew | also note that its not debian |
| 10:53.52 | thewanderer1 | Solow: do you know the server's architecture? |
| 10:54.03 | stew | Solow: what kind of cpu is in the machine? |
| 10:54.12 | Solow | I have no idea |
| 10:54.14 | Aldus | what do you mean it's not debian? |
| 10:54.16 | Solow | How can I see that? |
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| 10:54.21 | stew | Solow: you are going to want either i386 or amd64 if its 32 or 64 bit |
| 10:54.42 | Solow | i386, it's this maching with virtualbox. |
| 10:54.44 | thewanderer1 | Solow: in short, Xeon Nehalem, Core i3/i5/i7, Core2Duo are amd64, while Core Duo, Athlon, Xeon Pentium4 are i386 |
| 10:55.14 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: you are running a non-standard kernel |
| 10:55.20 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: are you in Xen? |
| 10:55.33 | Aldus | thewanderer1: I think yes |
| 10:55.34 | Solow | Thanks for clearing that up :) |
| 10:55.41 | stew | Aldus: what is linnode? |
| 10:55.47 | hyper_ch | thewanderer1: newer core duo are also 64bit |
| 10:55.53 | Solow | great, so I have to download 31 torrents |
| 10:56.04 | thewanderer1 | Solow: download netinst image. |
| 10:56.15 | Aldus | stew: linode is my server provider which - yes - works with xen |
| 10:56.21 | thewanderer1 | hyper_ch: thanks, I didn't know - I haven't run any such CPU |
| 10:56.34 | hyper_ch | thewanderer1: :) |
| 10:56.46 | thewanderer1 | (last time I tried amd64 with CoreDuo it failed :P ) |
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| 10:56.48 | stew | Aldus: oh, sorry |
| 10:56.52 | Aldus | however it worked greatly with apt-get until some days ago, since then it doesn't create anymore /usr/bin/something when trying installing new things |
| 10:56.58 | hyper_ch | everything that's newer than 3 years is 64bit except for the intel atoms I think |
| 10:57.07 | stew | Aldus: check to see if the directory is chattr +i by using lsattr |
| 10:57.10 | thewanderer1 | hyper_ch: my Atom 330 is amd64 :D |
| 10:57.21 | Solow | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso this one? |
| 10:57.27 | thewanderer1 | Solow: yes |
| 10:57.32 | Solow | k |
| 10:57.33 | stew | Solow: you only need to download the first cd unless you are installing onto a machine that cannot get onto the internet |
| 10:57.34 | hyper_ch | ok :) my netbook isn't unfortunately |
| 10:57.36 | Aldus | stew: Usage: chattr [-RVf] [-+=AacDdijsSu] [-v version] files... |
| 10:57.49 | Aldus | stew: sorry misunderstood. |
| 10:57.49 | stew | Aldus: you want lsattr |
| 10:58.17 | hyper_ch | anyone knows a 10-12" netbook with dualcore 64bit and not an intel gma card? |
| 10:58.32 | Aldus | stew: some massive output here. Not sure what to check |
| 10:58.39 | thewanderer1 | hyper_ch: try ##hardware - I haven't found any, yet :P |
| 10:58.41 | stew | Aldus: lsattr -d /usr/bin /usr/bin/pear |
| 10:58.51 | stew | Aldus: check for anything that isn't all -------------------- |
| 10:58.53 | hyper_ch | thewanderer1: neither have I :( |
| 10:59.09 | Aldus | -u--ia--------I---- /usr/bin |
| 10:59.09 | Aldus | lsattr: No such file or directory while trying to stat /usr/bin/pear |
| 10:59.17 | thewanderer1 | hyper_ch: the ION platform on Z-series atom is your best bet, but this question doesn't belong here |
| 10:59.22 | foormea | (i'm a newbie with debian) after a standard install of debian 5.0 i only have "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" and "deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main" in my /etc/apt/sources.list. 1. shouldn't i have more than that? 2. what are the other available repos? 3. what's the volatile repo? any link with doc would be appreciated, i'm googling for some info myself at the moment. thanks!! |
| 10:59.23 | hyper_ch | the ion plattform looks interesting but I only see 32bit cpus there |
| 10:59.35 | stew | Aldus: i is for "immutable", so the system administrator has decided to make /usr/bin unchangable |
| 10:59.38 | Solow | I tried the turnkeylinux/lamp. which failed, it said they were killing eachother or something. lol |
| 10:59.45 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: it's set +i by someone, yes... your sysadmin is braindead, lol |
| 11:00.06 | stew | i don't know what hte point of putting a (append only) on a directory is |
| 11:00.07 | Aldus | stew: is this likely an hack attempt? There are no sys admins |
| 11:00.30 | Aldus | does it at least make sense as a hack? |
| 11:00.34 | stew | yes |
| 11:00.46 | mgt_90 | hyper_ch: I believe Loongson (MIPS) based netbooks are the only 64 bit netbooks. |
| 11:00.47 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: go ask Linode if they were introducing any notable changes - or... haven't you installed any strange "hardening" tools? :P |
| 11:01.05 | hyper_ch | mgt_90: will check it out, thx |
| 11:01.07 | stew | Aldus: it would make sense for someone to do if they've replaced some of your binaries with malicious/trojan versions that they don't want you to replace with legit versions |
| 11:01.13 | thewanderer1 | pushes the CPU folks to ##hardware, they know stuff :P |
| 11:01.16 | Aldus | thewanderer1: I didn't install anything new, I just have a basic LAMP and few other stuff |
| 11:01.18 | stew | Aldus: are there files in /usr/bin that also have +i? |
| 11:01.23 | Solow | does debain have a gui? the one i just download? because I dont want it to have one. |
| 11:01.36 | hyper_ch | foormea: what else do you need besides those repos? |
| 11:01.37 | stew | Solow: yes, of course |
| 11:01.39 | thewanderer1 | Solow: you choose what to install on your own. |
| 11:01.44 | Aldus | stew: should I check with lsattr from /usr/bin ? |
| 11:02.11 | stew | Aldus: yes, "lsattr /usr/bin" and see if there are any files with the "i" |
| 11:02.13 | Solow | so it'll ask me for it later then |
| 11:02.13 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: yes. also, remove the +i flag from /usr/bin, and then install debsums |
| 11:02.30 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: also install rkhunter and run it immediately (chkrootkit is also fine) |
| 11:02.46 | foormea | hyper_ch: to be honest i'm not sure! i used ubuntu for some time (i now use gentoo) and there was many repos, such as universe, multiverse, free, non-free, etc |
| 11:03.00 | Aldus | thewanderer1+stew: http://nopaste.info/5c74a4b773.html here is a part of the output |
| 11:03.02 | foormea | hyper_ch: that's why i'm tempted to think there would be a similar organisation under debian? |
| 11:03.10 | hyper_ch | foormea: you could check out http://debgen.simplylinux.ch |
| 11:03.12 | thewanderer1 | Solow: during the installation, you will see this: http://www.classhelper.info/articles/reverse-proxy-server-squid-debian/screens/debian-install-23.png |
| 11:03.15 | Aldus | it's plenty of files with the "i" |
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| 11:03.27 | hyper_ch | you can find a few additional things there |
| 11:03.37 | foormea | hyper_ch: ooohhhhh that's pretty cool! thank you |
| 11:03.39 | mgt_90 | Solow: Just untick "Desktop Environment" when you get to package selection and you'll be X-less. |
| 11:03.48 | Solow | thanks :) |
| 11:03.55 | hyper_ch | foormea: also exists for ubuntu :) |
| 11:04.06 | Solow | first time debian user :) |
| 11:04.17 | stew | Aldus: so if you didn't do this, somone else has root access to your box |
| 11:04.22 | hyper_ch | Solow: so you did already install debian? |
| 11:04.49 | thewanderer1 | !tell foormea about repos |
| 11:04.51 | stew | Aldus: and now you have no way of reliably knowing what they have changed unless you can get that hard drive into a known trusted machine to analyze it |
| 11:04.52 | foormea | hyper_ch: never knew this! for ubuntu i always used the graphical tool to update my repos |
| 11:04.52 | Aldus | stew: I just found a mysterious "i" user in /etc/passwd :( |
| 11:05.02 | Solow | let me rephrase that, almost first time debian user :p |
| 11:05.18 | Aldus | I guess my server is rooted again :( |
| 11:05.21 | stew | Aldus: i'd recommend having the box reinstalled from scratch |
| 11:05.22 | nsadmin | Aldus: what was the last thing you did? |
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| 11:05.40 | hyper_ch | Aldus: if you suspect your server to be rooted, then backup the stuff and start over again |
| 11:05.43 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: yes, it seems that you just got pwned. tell me, does the "i" user have UID set to 0? |
| 11:05.51 | Aldus | nsadmin: going in vacation |
| 11:06.03 | foormea | okay while i'm here before i reboot into debian and get my hands in the dirt :D let me ask you... now what i installed is version 5, lenny. if i want to go unstable/squeeze, what do i have to do: just update my repos, or... any particular step? |
| 11:06.12 | foormea | thanks thewanderer1! |
| 11:06.22 | Aldus | thewanderer1: I deleted it already, couldn't see |
| 11:06.31 | Tau | i would like a software to plot things like x^3 + y^2 - 2 = 0. does someone know a simple soft for it ? |
| 11:06.32 | mgt_90 | foormea: Just edit sources.list and update. |
| 11:06.36 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: there's a backup in /var/backup/ |
| 11:06.38 | stew | foormea: you don't want unstable |
| 11:06.40 | thewanderer1 | better see that |
| 11:06.45 | hyper_ch | foormea: basically change stable to squeeze in the sources list |
| 11:06.47 | thewanderer1 | foormea: I would recommend that you stick with stable for now |
| 11:06.58 | foormea | thanks all! |
| 11:06.59 | nsadmin | foormea: what's your purpose in using debian? |
| 11:07.04 | Aldus | yes it has the 0 |
| 11:07.11 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: you're pwned. |
| 11:07.14 | Aldus | damn |
| 11:07.15 | Aldus | again |
| 11:07.19 | Aldus | !(£()$£$£"$£"$£! |
| 11:07.20 | stew | foormea: if you are going to actually move to testing, you should follow a procedure similar to what is recommended for moving from etch to lenny in the last set of release notes |
| 11:07.22 | foormea | nsadmin: getting tired of gentoo. too much maintenance work now that i'm not a student anymore with plenty of free time |
| 11:07.53 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: well, I guess you must have installed some suspicious stuff in there... |
| 11:08.03 | Tau | hi |
| 11:08.06 | foormea | yes i'll try stable first and see. i'm also curious about what testing is like |
| 11:08.06 | thewanderer1 | like third-party debs :P |
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| 11:08.14 | Aldus | thewanderer1: I suspect some trojan to have come in from some web application. There can't be naything else |
| 11:08.23 | hyper_ch | stable is stable and testing is just more up-to-date :) |
| 11:08.34 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: ah, yes, a human error in programming would justify all that :P |
| 11:08.42 | nsadmin | foormea: so if you have less time, probably stable is the best (there's no specific purpose, so I actually have no idea what to say) |
| 11:09.00 | foormea | understood :) |
| 11:09.08 | foormea | thanks all for your input! |
| 11:09.12 | Aldus | thewanderer1: is there somtehing I can do to remove at least this "i" from all /usr/bin while I reinstall all the stuff? |
| 11:09.16 | hyper_ch | Aldus: you use any ban2fail or simliar tool? |
| 11:09.18 | nsadmin | the purpose of testing is not to be more up to date |
| 11:09.24 | hyper_ch | fail2ban :) |
| 11:09.25 | nsadmin | the purpose is to test |
| 11:09.32 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: no, you are already toast, ask Linode for a full system reimage |
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| 11:09.42 | Aldus | hyper_ch: not really |
| 11:09.49 | Aldus | thewanderer1: ok. I'll do |
| 11:10.10 | stew | Aldus: the problem is that you can no longer trust the tools you are going to use to reinstall not to also be trojwan |
| 11:10.10 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: in /var/log/auth.log there should be some authentication logs unless the attacker has deleted them... |
| 11:10.15 | Aldus | this already happened a couple of months ago, through another server company. So I think the problem is not in the release but in the web stuff inside |
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| 11:10.37 | Aldus | that other company didn't use xen but a regular install |
| 11:10.39 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: hint: allowing users to upload arbitrary files is shooting yourself in the foot :P |
| 11:11.07 | nsadmin | let me guess... plain ftp? |
| 11:12.20 | hyper_ch | I strongly recommend using denyhosts or fail2ban.... this makes bruteforcing just a lot harder |
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| 11:12.33 | Solow | I'm wondering, what language is used for the installation? c++? |
| 11:12.38 | Aldus | thewanderer1: I know, but my clients here have a plenty of shit including extremely old Joomla releases |
| 11:12.48 | foormea | alright people! thanks! |
| 11:12.52 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: see some tutorial on SSH keys. also, get some materials on web security. |
| 11:13.10 | thewanderer1 | Solow: the installer is basically a bunch of tools in C and python, some perl floating around too |
| 11:13.14 | hyper_ch | Aldus: any chance to virtualize just the web stuff? |
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| 11:13.46 | Solow | thewanderer1, I tried c++, but I never managed to re-write a section like the progressbar. |
| 11:13.51 | Aldus | hyper_ch: this is a good idea, has to be analyzed. Unfortunately I work as a freelance programmer and my server experience is limited |
| 11:13.55 | Solow | Or do they rewrite the screen constantly? |
| 11:14.02 | thewanderer1 | Solow: you know, they use ncurses |
| 11:14.21 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: you should really get a sysadmin to set up stuff for you |
| 11:14.48 | Solow | thewanderer1, I know how to set things up. |
| 11:14.51 | Aldus | thewanderer1: yeah, I should. But I can't afford it for now, so it's a bit a crappy situaiton |
| 11:14.58 | Solow | I was talking about the code, |
| 11:15.05 | Solow | whoops sorry |
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| 11:15.23 | Aldus | thewanderer1: I just use to take a fresh debian install and install stuff with apt-get, configure apache, mysql, php and nothing much more |
| 11:15.42 | thewanderer1 | Solow: it's all in ncurses - and yes, this library keeps rewriting the screen. |
| 11:15.53 | Solow | nice, I knew it :D |
| 11:16.03 | thewanderer1 | there are good manuals online |
| 11:16.42 | Solow | Aldus, as far as I can see it already does that |
| 11:16.43 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: you should invest in a very strong root password from the start (20 characters including all kinds of signs) and migrate to SSH keys as soon as you can |
| 11:17.46 | Aldus | thewanderer1: I guess using public wifis sometimes is also not a good idea |
| 11:18.06 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: er yes, with FTP you're gonna get rooted in no time, don't use FTP at all. |
| 11:18.13 | thewanderer1 | !ftp must die |
| 11:18.13 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 11:18.23 | Solow | wth |
| 11:18.29 | Solow | What did I miss |
| 11:18.40 | Solow | Why is ftp evil? and what is being 'rooted' |
| 11:18.47 | Aldus | thewanderer1: I use to use ftp over ssh .... |
| 11:18.48 | thewanderer1 | Solow: see the links :) |
| 11:18.51 | Aldus | I am not sure why this happens |
| 11:19.04 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: also note that hosting customers under a single user is not very good practice - see my howto here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=50780 |
| 11:19.26 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: probably a poor root password and login over SSH to root account |
| 11:19.26 | Aldus | thewanderer1: this topic particularry interests me. Checking it |
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| 11:19.54 | hyper_ch | thewanderer1: I think something similar, hence my recommendation for fail2ban or denyhosts |
| 11:19.57 | Aldus | actually 11 letters and 2 numbers |
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| 11:20.45 | hyper_ch | Aldus: if you want to provide an ISP like setup, I usually follow the perfect howtos for debian by Falko Timme.... he also shows how to install ISPConfig 3 there |
| 11:20.49 | hyper_ch | very simple to follow |
| 11:21.19 | Aldus | hyper_ch: I usually follow simple LAMP guides, but if you can point me to something more secure (assuming it still contains LAMP) I would greatly appreciate |
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| 11:21.38 | hyper_ch | Aldus: well, do you want to provide webhosting for multiple clients? |
| 11:21.43 | Solow | ha funny |
| 11:21.47 | Aldus | hyper_ch: yes, at least 20 different ones |
| 11:22.00 | Solow | So, if i shouldnt use ftp, what SHOULD I use |
| 11:22.06 | thewanderer1 | Solow: SFTP |
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| 11:22.19 | thewanderer1 | as in SSH server |
| 11:22.30 | Solow | thewa is that even possible with shared hosts? |
| 11:22.38 | Solow | thewanderer1* |
| 11:22.40 | hyper_ch | Aldus: you could follow this step by step: http://www.howtoforge.org/perfect-server-debian-lenny-ispconfig3 |
| 11:22.40 | thewanderer1 | of course |
| 11:22.42 | Solow | forgot to tab :p |
| 11:23.01 | Aldus | hyper_ch: thank you very much. Saved the link |
| 11:23.03 | thewanderer1 | everything is possible to setup, there are just no tutorials that cover all steps |
| 11:23.04 | Solow | k! hit me with a manual |
| 11:23.24 | hyper_ch | Aldus: a lot of good stuff on that site :) |
| 11:23.24 | joltcan | openssh supports chrootting |
| 11:23.34 | thewanderer1 | joltcan: chroot is not a security measure. |
| 11:23.40 | Aldus | I wonder if now with xen I can somehow create another release without having to buy another vps plan |
| 11:23.51 | Solow | ahw no manual.... |
| 11:24.55 | thewanderer1 | Solow: I'm running a setup with Apache2+mod_suphp+LDAP centralized logon+SSH sftponly is planned |
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| 11:26.10 | Solow | ah k |
| 11:26.36 | Solow | say, i'm running debian n virtualbox... what is the ip to access it with the host? |
| 11:26.45 | Solow | I keep forgetting how to find it |
| 11:27.25 | thewanderer1 | Solow: in VirtualBox with user-mode networking (default, non--bridged) it's not possible I think :P |
| 11:28.00 | Solow | no i'm just, looking for the equiv of ipconfig |
| 11:28.03 | thewanderer1 | your guest is behind a SNAT |
| 11:28.06 | Solow | ifconfig ? |
| 11:28.12 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 11:28.26 | Solow | command not found |
| 11:28.28 | Solow | excellent. |
| 11:29.00 | thewanderer1 | /sbin/ifconfig - it is not in your user's path. (as root works fine) |
| 11:29.31 | hyper_ch | Solow: do you use briged, nat, host-only networking for that vm? |
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| 11:30.52 | Solow | i'll look into it later. gotta run, brb |
| 11:31.02 | solow_ | thanks by the way :) |
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| 11:35.03 | Aldus | thewanderer1: do you suggest that I use the root user as less as possible in managing my server? |
| 11:35.20 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 11:35.32 | thewanderer1 | configure and use sudo, and disable root logins over SSH |
| 11:35.44 | jacekowski | that's for weak |
| 11:35.54 | jacekowski | hardcore people log in as root over unencrypted protocols |
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| 11:36.08 | thewanderer1 | jacekowski: and get rooted like Aldus :P |
| 11:36.10 | jacekowski | are you hardcore enough for it? |
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| 11:36.26 | Aldus | jacekowski: yes, I'm going then to be pwned for the 3th time |
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| 11:36.44 | jacekowski | well then something else is wrong |
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| 11:37.06 | mgt_90 | Wireshark > Crazy Faith in Unencrypted 802.11 |
| 11:37.29 | jacekowski | if you are using ssh to log in |
| 11:37.30 | wieshka | Hi there - what is most prefered virtualization software/solution for debian and why ? |
| 11:37.34 | jacekowski | then nobody can get your password |
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| 11:37.55 | jacekowski | i think he got hacked some other way |
| 11:38.08 | Aldus | maybe some trojan in my pc itself |
| 11:38.37 | Aldus | is it possible to be rooted after a mysql injection ? |
| 11:38.44 | jacekowski | very unlikely |
| 11:38.48 | jacekowski | what was your password? |
| 11:39.04 | thewanderer1 | Aldus: it sometimes is possible if you store sensitive data there |
| 11:39.06 | Aldus | LLLLLLLLLLLNN |
| 11:39.12 | thewanderer1 | like passwords in plaintext :P |
| 11:39.29 | jae | Anyone have links/pointers to why you can't kill processes in D, at all? |
| 11:39.34 | jacekowski | Aldus: your password was LLLLLLLLLLLNN? |
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| 11:39.40 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 11:39.41 | Aldus | l = letter, N= number |
| 11:39.49 | jacekowski | tell us what was it |
| 11:39.54 | jacekowski | you have to change it anyways |
| 11:39.59 | mgt_90 | wieshka: There's no real official answer. Try VirtualBox? |
| 11:40.00 | jacekowski | well, it should be changed already |
| 11:40.15 | thewanderer1 | !tell wieshka about best |
| 11:40.36 | jacekowski | because i've got a feeling that it was just weak password |
| 11:40.44 | jae | has three hung processes... they cannot possibly come back, but I hate rebooting... this is Linux, forf, not Windos |
| 11:40.47 | jae | +w |
| 11:40.57 | jacekowski | jae: if it's hung on io you can't kill it |
| 11:41.02 | wieshka | with meaning of best - i meaned best compability and performace |
| 11:41.03 | Aldus | I can't tell it now :o |
| 11:41.12 | thewanderer1 | wieshka: for what? desktop? server? |
| 11:41.16 | jacekowski | Aldus: then change it and tell us |
| 11:41.20 | wieshka | for server |
| 11:41.27 | thewanderer1 | KVM is good for both desktops and servers and has good performance |
| 11:41.27 | jae | jacekowski: I *know* that... I just wonder why (technically) |
| 11:41.28 | jacekowski | and change it before something else gets hacked |
| 11:41.48 | Aldus | jacekowski: it's actually the same of the linode account and other stuff |
| 11:41.55 | jacekowski | heh |
| 11:42.03 | Aldus | which i guess is not good practice too |
| 11:42.07 | jacekowski | that explains why you got hacked |
| 11:42.11 | jacekowski | change that password |
| 11:42.18 | wieshka | now i am trying to compile xen 4 from sources |
| 11:42.21 | jacekowski | and use different password everywhere |
| 11:42.25 | wieshka | so i will give a try |
| 11:42.30 | thewanderer1 | wieshka: http://perfohost.com/kvm.vps.html |
| 11:42.40 | jacekowski | and well, good password might be just a sentence or something |
| 11:42.48 | Aldus | I definitely will :| |
| 11:42.54 | thewanderer1 | wieshka: well, this link is actually marketing crap, but it outlines some major differences |
| 11:43.12 | wieshka | thewanderer1: yeah it looks like a PR crap |
| 11:43.14 | jae | I wouldn't mind so much if those didn't keep my loadavg at 5 (yes, hung procs count towards loadavg) |
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| 11:44.01 | thewanderer1 | wieshka: also, linux-vserver website has a comparison of container-based virt against full virt and paravirt, you should most definitely read up and decide |
| 11:44.44 | thewanderer1 | jae: find out why they are hung and cut the string |
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| 11:51.55 | jae | thewanderer1: ha ha, very funny |
| 11:52.18 | thewanderer1 | no, really - if they're hung at I/O, restore the medium for them |
| 11:53.35 | jae | I'm aware I cannot kill them. What I'm looking for is a technical discussions on the whys and hows... and maybe on the "what would you need to change so you can kill them" (or at the least a useful subset) |
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| 11:54.18 | thewanderer1 | they are tied to a kernel I/O thread, that's why you can't kill them |
| 11:54.20 | jae | thewanderer1: "they cannot possible [okay, easily] come back" |
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| 11:54.41 | thewanderer1 | the thread is waiting and it's not so easy to get rid of it |
| 11:54.57 | thewanderer1 | is the filesystem they used to be on still mounted? |
| 11:55.13 | jae | "not so easy"? Don't you mean "impossible"? |
| 11:55.35 | jae | No... I "umount -f -l"'d it (next time I'll remember that) |
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| 11:55.53 | thewanderer1 | well, Linux is Linux and it's possible to do everything in the memory, I'm just not a kernel hacker to tell you how... |
| 11:56.34 | jae | It was an sshfs... and, as usual, I forgot to unmount it before I left |
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| 11:59.11 | thewanderer1 | jae: have you tried to kill its parent process? |
| 11:59.20 | thewanderer1 | (er, if it's not init, of course :P ) |
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| 12:01.02 | jae | Unfortunately, they do belong to init :P |
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| 12:01.26 | jae | Well, time to reboot, I guess |
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| 12:02.13 | jae | Hmm... I should try to put this unmount in /etc/pm/sleep.d/somescriptname |
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| 12:09.01 | thewanderer1 | jae: probably |
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| 12:13.09 | foormea | i'm currently updating my debian... so before i reboot into debian and try many many things, how does wireless work in debian? is it sort of exclusively handled by the DE? or can i use wpa_supplicant to enable it at bootup? is there a service to do that or do i have to make a script myself? |
| 12:13.44 | mgt_90 | foormea: You can manage it however you want. |
| 12:13.56 | nsadmin | wireless? do you expect to move around a lot? or one net forever? |
| 12:14.20 | foormea | let's say, mostly stay home but wireless connection |
| 12:14.50 | foormea | mgt_90: ok. let's say i wanna use wpa_supplicant cause DE-managed wireless kills wireless if you kill the DE :) |
| 12:15.05 | thewanderer1 | wpa_supplicant has a roaming mode - read up on it |
| 12:15.45 | foormea | my question is not really about how to use wpa_supplicant, but more, how to manage wpa_supplicant to start up at boot with debian |
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| 12:16.27 | mgt_90 | foormea: You can do that. You could also use something like wicd. Just don't kill the daemon and you can manage it from a tty with a curses front-end. |
| 12:16.28 | foormea | do i have to make a 'dirty' script, or is there a script that comes out-of-the-box for debian? by the way, how do you guys manage your runlevels scripts? rc-update? |
| 12:16.31 | thewanderer1 | foormea: Debian Wiki and others have tutorials on that, really |
| 12:16.31 | foormea | sysv-rc-update sorry? |
| 12:16.48 | thewanderer1 | foormea: no, you point /etc/network/interfaces to the roaming script location |
| 12:17.02 | thewanderer1 | s/roaming script/roaming config/ |
| 12:17.12 | foormea | i see |
| 12:17.30 | nsadmin | wireless? do you expect to move around a lot? or one net forever? |
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| 12:17.42 | foormea | wow i didn't know wicd comes with a curses frontend!! |
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| 12:17.46 | _0x47 | Hi! Is it sane to keep the .svn directories of sources if you create a Debian package from it? That way you could locally update the sources with ease at any time. How how is this handled in general? |
| 12:17.50 | thewanderer1 | foormea: network-manager too :P |
| 12:17.55 | nsadmin | if you['re moving around, you could look at network-manager |
| 12:17.56 | foormea | nsadmin: mostly stay home :) |
| 12:18.12 | foormea | thewanderer1: i use kde though |
| 12:19.08 | foormea | but okay i'll check out the wiki and see for myself -- sorry if i ask newbie questions, although i used ubuntu for a few years debian is still somewhat different. and now after using gentoo for a year i have a different perspective also :) |
| 12:19.22 | thewanderer1 | foormea: hint: network-manager can be configured to connect to a pre-defined network on boot, like in Ubuntu |
| 12:19.39 | thewanderer1 | it's called "make this connection available to all users" or sth like that and you need root permissions for it |
| 12:20.01 | foormea | thewanderer1: but isn't network-manager gnome's network manager, which is different from the kde one? |
| 12:20.16 | _0x47 | the kde one is knetwork-manager |
| 12:20.23 | _0x47 | iirc |
| 12:20.23 | foormea | thewanderer1: therefore, if i use kde, unless i wanna have something ugly, i wouldn't use network-manager? |
| 12:20.35 | thewanderer1 | ,info network-manager-kde |
| 12:20.38 | judd | network-manager-kde (kde, optional): KDE systray applet for controlling NetworkManager. Version: 1:0.2.2-2; Size: 501.5k; Installed: 2172k; Homepage: http://opensuse.org/Projects/KNetworkManager |
| 12:21.03 | foormea | _0x47: probably. last time the kde network manager was clearly lagging behind compared with other alternatives |
| 12:21.19 | thewanderer1 | another thing is that KNetworkManager was completely broken and disfunctional the last time I checked in testing/sid - I hope it's working now |
| 12:21.28 | thewanderer1 | in stable it's pretty fine, though. |
| 12:21.52 | foormea | not sure now. on my gentoo i use wpa_supplicant and wpa_gui |
| 12:21.53 | thewanderer1 | it does lack some options, like mobile phone "tethering", but in KDE3.5.10 it mostly does the job |
| 12:22.10 | foormea | yes? okay cool then |
| 12:22.43 | foormea | ahhhhhh seriously can't wait to go back to binary packages instead of sources that make a million years to compile :) |
| 12:23.03 | foormea | and somehow latest stable ubuntu kernel won't boot up on my 4 year old laptop... |
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| 12:30.26 | anoob | hi, i'm trying to package a php script... i can create the package but the script files isn't inside of it ... |
| 12:30.41 | anoob | is there special to package scripts? |
| 12:31.10 | anoob | i'm learning here; http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 12:32.13 | thewanderer1 | anoob: there is nothing special, really - you don't even have to use buildpackage or anything. personally, I use dpkg-deb --build, you can just pack the files and expect them to work as a package |
| 12:32.59 | anoob | i did dpkg-deb --build too |
| 12:33.20 | thewanderer1 | then you screwed something up |
| 12:33.21 | anoob | but when i install it, only debian files are installed |
| 12:33.43 | thewanderer1 | use fakeroot or sth |
| 12:35.16 | anoob | hum... i'm learning and i didn't get it... but i will try again and read more |
| 12:35.23 | anoob | thank you thewanderer1 |
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| 12:45.11 | smv | I'm trying to recover a Debian Sid system, but I'm forced to use a Ubuntu 9.04 Live CD, as it's the only one I have now, and for some reason I can't chroot. The broken system is amd64 but the CD is i386; might that be the reason? |
| 12:45.39 | austin987 | howdy, I'm using debian etch on Sparc in a qemu vm. I need to update etch to lenny, but glibc doesn't support sparc v8 anymore. Does anyone know if any of the cpu's qemu can emulate are supported? list is here: http://pastebin.com/QYtuQwwa |
| 12:46.51 | moldovean | austin987, asked #qemu ? |
| 12:47.12 | austin987 | moldovean, was just about to :-p |
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| 12:47.24 | bezaban | hmmm |
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| 12:49.07 | bezaban | probably moot, but while running an IRC (xchat) client by X over SSH, is there any way to open links in the local browser and not start a remote browser. I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I do occasionally get suprised :) |
| 12:49.22 | moldovean | smv, same thing as you want chroot in powerpc from i386 |
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| 12:50.37 | moldovean | smv, but using qemu may help |
| 12:52.19 | AimHere | bezaban, in theory it ought to be possible, if unwieldy. Just have an app on the remote machine that dials the local machine and attempts to start up the local browser with the URL on the command line. IIRC if you do that with firefox, it'll open up a new tab |
| 12:53.00 | anoob | thewanderer1, should i describe all files here: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-install ? |
| 12:53.22 | AimHere | Then in xchat prefs, you use that remote 'dialhome' app. Making this not horrifically insecure I'll leave as an exercise for you |
| 12:53.28 | bezaban | yeah |
| 12:53.51 | bezaban | hehe |
| 12:54.14 | thewanderer1 | anoob: no, no scripts are needed at all - just put everything where it belongs |
| 12:54.24 | bezaban | should be secure enough with a shared key and using SSH |
| 12:54.38 | bezaban | with a restricted user |
| 12:55.21 | thewanderer1 | bezaban: copy links to the clipboard and paste 'em to your browser :P |
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| 12:55.38 | bezaban | although I was thinking more of a solution involving the local X server catching certain apps and running them locally |
| 12:55.45 | bezaban | thewanderer1, that's not the point ;) |
| 12:56.00 | bezaban | more work for less work! |
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| 12:56.49 | bezaban | I tend to spend hours scripting solutions to automate trivial problems |
| 12:57.19 | bezaban | which will take me years to effectively save time |
| 12:59.31 | karme | yeah there really should be a script to decide wether it is worth to write a script |
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| 13:00.08 | orioni | hi there , im able to create users with the kickstart file but not able to chown the file .authorized_keys to that user , that file is always owned by root for all my 5 users created , is there a solution ? |
| 13:01.13 | moldovean | bezaban, try to distribute your solutions to million of users and .. see |
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| 13:02.09 | moldovean | orioni, on debian ? |
| 13:03.05 | orioni | sorry |
| 13:03.08 | orioni | wrong channel |
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| 13:08.21 | poisonbit | !versions perl |
| 13:08.37 | poisonbit | how was to query the boot ? |
| 13:08.40 | poisonbit | bot |
| 13:09.05 | moldovean | , versions perl |
| 13:09.07 | judd | perl -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6; etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6; lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; sid: 5.10.1-14; squeeze: 5.10.1-14; experimental: 5.12.1-1 |
| 13:09.15 | poisonbit | thank you |
| 13:09.18 | moldovean | np |
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| 13:11.49 | anoob | thewanderer1, i see... i will try that |
| 13:11.52 | anoob | thank you again |
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| 13:21.18 | solow_ | why doesnt the sudo command work? |
| 13:21.25 | solow_ | I installed nothing but the system |
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| 13:22.16 | Solow | Now it keeps telling me i cant do this, cant do that |
| 13:22.25 | Solow | and it doesnt take the sudo.... |
| 13:23.00 | silidan | hi, i just downloaded the adobe flashplayer tar.gz and extracted the flashplayer.so file where do i place this file in order fro firefox to work with it? |
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| 13:25.30 | moldovean | Solow, install it |
| 13:26.12 | Solow | moldovean, no, the guys in #linux just told me it's 'su' in debia |
| 13:26.14 | Solow | n |
| 13:26.17 | Solow | unknown id: apt-get |
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| 13:27.12 | silidan | em... wheres the standart plugin directory for iceweasel in debian lenny? |
| 13:27.35 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:28.57 | silidan | yea, adobe installation instruction says i shall put the libflashplayer.so into the plugins directory |
| 13:29.33 | silidan | or plugins... but i cant find it, where shall i create it? |
| 13:29.45 | moldovean | yes |
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| 13:30.41 | stew | silidan: its /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins, but realize that debian provides packages to download and install it for you |
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| 13:31.11 | stew | silidan: just "su" by itself to chang to the root user. after that you can run apt-get or aptitude or perhaps install and configure sudo so that it works as you expect |
| 13:31.29 | stew | silidan: oh, that su stuff wasn't for you |
| 13:31.33 | stew | Solow: ^^^ |
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| 13:32.31 | silidan | stew, yes but they stopped working, im on sid so that was expected to happen at some point... |
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| 13:32.58 | stew | silidan: which arch ar you using? |
| 13:33.45 | smv | moldovean, cum adicÄ la fel ca la chroot din i386 în powerpc? e vreo comandÄ specialÄ? qemu iese din calcul pentru cÄ sistemu' nu are decât 512 mb ram |
| 13:33.58 | smhar | greetings |
| 13:33.59 | silidan | stew what arch? |
| 13:34.01 | smhar | I have a strange problem with my notebook. It is running squeeze and I use 3g usb internet device to connect via wvdial. it works very nicely. the problem is: it disconnects very frequently, and I have to connect manually. I am using the same device with my desktop running squeeze via wvdial and it runs for days without any disconnection. what could be the problem? |
| 13:34.08 | silidan | stew, what do you mean with arch? what is an arch? |
| 13:34.21 | stew | silidan: i386 or amd64 or powerpc, etc |
| 13:34.29 | silidan | stew amd64 |
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| 13:34.40 | stuckey | hi all |
| 13:34.41 | stew | silidan: adobe doesn't provide amd64 plugins anymore |
| 13:34.55 | silidan | stew great so the plugin i downloaded is a 32bit thing |
| 13:35.13 | stew | silidan: you are going to use nsplugwrapper or whatever? |
| 13:35.17 | silidan | stew guess the flashplayer isnt open source? |
| 13:35.24 | smv | silidan, enable debian-multimedia and install flashplugin-mozilla |
| 13:35.24 | stew | not even close |
| 13:35.32 | karme | stew: uh really? |
| 13:35.34 | stew | silidan: its not even redistributable |
| 13:35.41 | stew | karme: really |
| 13:35.54 | stew | silidan: gnash is a free flash player |
| 13:35.58 | silidan | stew i really want to bash everyone still using flash then |
| 13:36.02 | karme | they really try hard to get obsolete |
| 13:36.12 | stew | silidan: please do |
| 13:36.37 | mgt_90 | silidan: If you need proprietary plugin, you can try the 32bit plugin in a 64 bit wrapper. |
| 13:37.43 | smv | silidan, enable debian-multimedia and install flashplugin-mozilla, it will install all the dependencies neded to run flash 32bit in a 64bit environment via nspluginwrapper |
| 13:38.33 | silidan | will try to avoid any site that uses this flash stuff instead |
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| 13:42.48 | alecs1 | hi, i'm trying to build VirtualBox modules for the 2.6.35 kernel in experimental; but I can't use module-assistant because there's no kbuild for 2.6.25 |
| 13:42.56 | alecs1 | is there some easy way of doing it? |
| 13:43.22 | stew | alecs1: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 13:43.28 | alecs1 | easy means not compiling my own entire kernel |
| 13:43.31 | stew | its explained there |
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| 13:44.29 | silidan | oops |
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| 13:46.26 | alecs1 | stew: thanks, I already went there but I was too lazy to follow and didn't see the topic âHow to build linux-kbuild-2.6 yourselfâ |
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| 13:49.42 | jelly-hme | !spank alecs1 |
| 13:49.42 | dpkg | bends alecs1 over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 13:51.41 | grawity | Is it possible to use exim4 with one simple configuration file, without any macros or debconf? |
| 13:51.54 | grawity | The default /etc/exim4 is scary. |
| 13:52.47 | moldovean | under "Building all kernel-related packages" on upper link , they said: "Make sure you have at least 40 GB of disk space free (version 2.6.32-17 took 30 GB)" .. its that size resonable ? |
| 13:53.15 | jelly-hme | yes, there are a lot of flavors to build |
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| 13:53.31 | stuckey | Anyone know how to get gnash to work with youtube? |
| 13:53.33 | moldovean | tks |
| 13:53.37 | stuckey | It says says "An error occured, please try again later." |
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| 13:53.50 | jelly-hme | moldovean: not much reason to build them all for local usage, though |
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| 13:54.13 | Pinchiukas | Why does cron trying to email the user about each cron job? |
| 13:54.13 | moldovean | sure |
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| 13:57.13 | karme | Pinchiukas: to notify the user about problems |
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| 13:58.26 | Pinchiukas | karme: that means problems occured in my cron job? A non-zero return-value was returned? |
| 13:59.44 | karme | i think by default stderr is reported by mail? but not sure |
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| 14:00.28 | rgr | stdout too |
| 14:00.58 | stew | Pinchiukas: any output is emailed. (from stdout or stderr). you'll want to try to supress any ouput that doesn't indicate an error |
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| 14:04.11 | eightfold | i have an intel mac mini i want to install debian to, the tutorials i'm reading outlines formatting the hdd with disk utility via the os x installation dvd |
| 14:04.16 | eightfold | i can't find my installation dvd. |
| 14:04.45 | eightfold | would it be fine formatting for linux via the debian installer |
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| 14:07.06 | ZeuZ | Hey all, I've got a question. |
| 14:07.20 | ZeuZ | I've bridged an interface (eth0) so that KVM guests will form part of the same LAN. |
| 14:07.35 | ZeuZ | Before the last reboot (no updates whatsoever) I could still, for example, ping the KVM host |
| 14:08.31 | ZeuZ | Now, the KVM host it won't get an IP through DHCP, and if I set one through ifconfig, I can, for example, ping the outside world |
| 14:08.37 | ZeuZ | But, other hosts on the same LAN can't ping it. |
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| 14:12.16 | wad | I'm trying to figure out why sarg isn't doing anything, and I found that it needs to run after the squid logs have rotated. But these are all just in /etc/cron.daily, how do I tell which one goes before another one? |
| 14:12.44 | Pinchiukas | stew: oh... thanks. |
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| 14:15.04 | ZeuZ | Is there anything I'm missing? shouldn't I be able to still reach the host AND the guest? |
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| 14:19.11 | ZeuZ | nevermind, found a workaround |
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| 14:22.35 | zoyd | hi, does anyone know if tuomo has changed the license of notion? or is it the same as ion's? |
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| 14:25.53 | pjs | on Lenny, is it recommended to install Python 2.6 (or 2.7) from source or add unstable sources to sources.list and use apt-get? |
| 14:27.00 | jelly-hme | pjs: the latter is impossible to do and keep a system you could call "lenny" |
| 14:28.01 | jelly-hme | so build from source and don't try to replace the distro python |
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| 14:28.51 | pjs | jelly-hme, gotcha. ok. Sorry for the newbie question. Haven't used Deb in nearly a decade and Rackspace Cloud doesn't have a FreeBSD image, so I'm trying to get back into the Deb swing of things :) |
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| 14:36.50 | jelly-hme | you might want to try out what's going to be the next release, squeeze. It has 2.6 |
| 14:37.22 | jelly-hme | !tell pjs about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:38.44 | pjs | thanks! |
| 14:38.53 | stuckey | Anyone here know anything about how to fix http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522550 ? |
| 14:38.56 | pjs | I don't mind building from source for now |
| 14:40.27 | pjs | speaking of which, any good tutorial (or package list) to get a good dev setup going? By dev I just mean to build packages from source. I got gcc installed but no I need "make" and probably others. Just curious if there is a good tutorial for getting everything up. If I remember right, I'm gonna need things like libname and libname-dev |
| 14:40.51 | jelly-hme | stuckey: did you try the suggestion in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522550#5 |
| 14:41.16 | stuckey | jelly-hme: there isn't a suggestion there |
| 14:41.24 | nsadmin | if you want to get a different version of something which the system is dependent upon, building in somewhere like your home dir is one of your better choices |
| 14:41.42 | babilen | pjs: That really depends on your particular needs, but installing "build-essential" might be a good start |
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| 14:42.01 | pjs | babilen, thank you |
| 14:42.04 | jelly-hme | stuckey: "[...] add this line: {"Canon:EOS 50D", 0x04a9, 0x319b, PTP_CAP}, to camlibs/ptp2/library.c." |
| 14:42.34 | babilen | pjs: If you want to compile Pyython you'll need a few other libraries for certain modules, but the configure script will complain about it. |
| 14:42.57 | babilen | pjs: I also found "stow" to be a great tool to manage local installations to /usr/local |
| 14:42.58 | jelly-hme | stuckey: how is that not a suggestion. |
| 14:43.04 | babilen | !tell pjs -about b-e |
| 14:43.08 | pjs | babilen, right.. it's building now. I'll ad them as I go. but build-essential was exactly what I was looking for |
| 14:43.09 | rgr | anyone here managed to set a gpg-agent setting so that it stays alive and valid for an entire session? I tried larger timeout numbers but it seems to ignore them. |
| 14:43.12 | babilen | !tell pjs about stow |
| 14:43.36 | babilen | pjs: Great, have fun :) |
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| 14:43.46 | pjs | babilen, oh nice.. thanks for that tip as well buddy :) |
| 14:44.00 | babilen | pjs: btw, why not 2.7? |
| 14:44.15 | jelly-hme | pjs: if you want all the stuff needed to enable features debian has in their python, /msg dpkg build-dep |
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| 14:45.11 | pikudoz | Hi |
| 14:45.16 | pjs | babilen, well I didn't expect a 2.7 package so I asked about 2.6. I am building 2.7 from source :) |
| 14:45.41 | babilen | pjs: Ah, I see. ;) |
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| 14:46.02 | pjs | jelly-hme, awesome, thanks dude |
| 14:46.03 | jelly-hme | stuckey: obviously you'd need to substitute the usb id for your device |
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| 14:54.06 | brabo | hello. today i ran some updates on a debian squeeze server. it attempted to upgrade grub-pc, but apparently grub-mkdevicemap failed, i ran grub-mkdevicemap manuall, it said: Killed. the file /boot/grub/device.map is empty. i also did an strace on grub-mkdevicemap, it is included is this pastebin of the error situation: http://brabo.pastebin.com/6DfC64uA |
| 14:54.42 | eightfold | what does the "web server" option in the installer include? |
| 14:54.46 | eightfold | no mysql? |
| 14:55.01 | eightfold | sql database is a separate checkbox |
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| 15:00.22 | tuliohm | How can i know which version of gcc was used to build my kernel? |
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| 15:01.30 | nsadmin | tuliohm, see what's in the file /proc/version |
| 15:03.49 | tuliohm | nsadmin, thanks :D |
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| 15:07.59 | finemann | does lenny have known problems with acer aspire 5740? |
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| 15:09.18 | nsadmin | http://www.google.com/search?q=does+lenny+have+known+problems+with+acer+aspire+5740&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 15:10.04 | finemann | nsadmin, well, i did my homework. Thats why i asked here in the first place |
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| 15:11.07 | nsadmin | part of cooperation in asking for help is supplying the information you have... so, what did you get out of this homework? |
| 15:12.01 | finemann | nsadmin, no reported problems - but that can also mean that no one has used it on that model. |
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| 15:12.51 | finemann | well the main problems are: screen resolution not set, acer-wmi not recognized, ethernet not working |
| 15:12.56 | nsadmin | what goal you're trying to reach has you asking the question? |
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| 15:15.22 | eightfold | do i have to install grub if i want to install debian to an entire disk on a mac mini? |
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| 15:16.01 | nsadmin | you do if you want to boot using grub |
| 15:16.39 | nsadmin | grub legacy has problems with whole-disk installs, you'll want some partitions |
| 15:23.24 | eightfold | nsadmin: this is a whole disk install, grub failed to install |
| 15:23.29 | eightfold | nsadmin: but so did lilo |
| 15:23.56 | nsadmin | what cpu do mac minis have? |
| 15:25.31 | eightfold | nsadmin: this is a core duo 1.66 |
| 15:25.59 | eightfold | nsadmin: they do not use bios, but efi |
| 15:26.03 | eightfold | have bios emulation though |
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| 15:26.48 | nsadmin | I don't have personal experience with biosless intels |
| 15:27.53 | eightfold | nsadmin: can i find out from the installer if there's a mbr on the disk, or if it's gpt? |
| 15:28.19 | nsadmin | dunno |
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| 15:30.46 | moldovean | eightfold, see #grub |
| 15:31.34 | eightfold | moldovean: thanks |
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| 15:55.51 | jhutchins_lt | That was strange. Sound server reported that it had overloaded the CPU and crashed - but there wasn't any sound playing. |
| 15:56.08 | dvs | My plan worked! :-> |
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| 16:07.05 | thewanderer1 | dvs: so when are we seeing a tux on microsoft.com ? |
| 16:07.32 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: it's a bug :P |
| 16:07.49 | dvs | I'd be damned if I know! ;-) |
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| 16:23.27 | North_Italian69 | how to see all owns open ports? "ping" from LAN answers |
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| 16:28.27 | nsadmin | North_Italian69: all of your own open ports? see what services you're running. run netstat. |
| 16:29.38 | seria-mau | is it possible to simply schedule traffic with tc using pfifo_fast and iptables to mark packages which should be queued in the lowest band? |
| 16:31.45 | North_Italian69 | seria-mau: netstat give me the listening (workink) deamons. Not the full open port list. if a demon if off i can't see the port. nothin using iptables? |
| 16:31.50 | seria-mau | or do i have to use a classful qdisc to do that? |
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| 16:32.12 | seria-mau | North_Italian69: ? |
| 16:33.20 | North_Italian69 | does exist away to see what ports are open via iptable or some firewall? |
| 16:34.50 | seria-mau | North_Italian69: have you tried netstat -tulpen? |
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| 16:36.58 | North_Italian69 | i have 8 ports opens |
| 16:37.08 | North_Italian69 | how o close them?.... |
| 16:39.50 | nsadmin | North_Italian69: all of your own open ports? see what services you're running. run netstat. |
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| 16:40.11 | North_Italian69 | seria-mau: i saw |
| 16:40.19 | North_Italian69 | nou useful |
| 16:40.38 | North_Italian69 | nou useful from outside |
| 16:40.55 | macrobat | North_Italian69: nmap from the outside |
| 16:41.07 | macrobat | zenmap fas a gui |
| 16:41.08 | North_Italian69 | useful only for localhost |
| 16:41.14 | macrobat | s/fas/has |
| 16:41.31 | nsadmin | I'm ONLY discussing things you can do as admin on YOUR box... for anything else, try #hackers |
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| 16:43.48 | North_Italian69 | the only thing o do is a gui firewall to cloase ports opens from oupside |
| 16:43.52 | North_Italian69 | outside |
| 16:44.34 | North_Italian69 | after ill try a full 65m ports scan |
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| 16:47.56 | thewanderer1 | North_Italian69: first, learn English or try #debian-it. second, what you are trying to do is absolutely pointless. |
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| 16:51.37 | seria-mau | ok, afaics i can change tos field of packets directly with iptables and default qdisc pfifo_fast should to the rest, right? |
| 16:52.24 | thewanderer1 | seria-mau: I think this is not really the most helpful channel in your situation - if I were you, I would try #netfilter or #linux |
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| 16:59.48 | seria-mau | thewanderer1: ok, thanx |
| 17:00.45 | Schuenemann | !info php-gtk |
| 17:00.57 | thewanderer1 | ,info php-gtk |
| 17:00.58 | judd | No record of package 'php-gtk' in lenny/i386. |
| 17:01.25 | Schuenemann | bad ba |
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| 17:02.55 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: you might have more luck with compiling PHP-GTK than I had with PHP-Qt... |
| 17:03.10 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, why? |
| 17:03.51 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: it's not in Debian and sometimes gives people a hard time :P |
| 17:03.56 | obiwahn | what reads the /etc/default/locale file? |
| 17:04.05 | obiwahn | cd /etc/ |
| 17:05.03 | thewanderer1 | obiwahn: grep -d recurse /etc/default/locale /etc/init.d |
| 17:05.26 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, I'm not sure whether to use gtk or qt. I'm new to php and I wanted to make a desktop app available to linux and windoze |
| 17:06.09 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: you will run into huge problems trying to convince your users to install PHP on Windows (install? PHP? what?) |
| 17:06.50 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, can't I pack it along with the app? Just the necessary classes (nothing web related, for example) |
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| 17:08.03 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: my congratulations if you CAN :) - if you want to go about writing desktop apps, however much you might hate it, use C++ and Qt (Nokia Qt Creator is a good start, or just your text editor if you prefer that) |
| 17:08.53 | thewanderer1 | I can recommend you PHP-GTK for this purpose - it at least works more often than Qt (uh, I hate GTK itself) |
| 17:09.48 | obiwahn | thewanderer1: thx i did rgrep /etc/default/l-spelling-error-e /etc and found nothing:) got it:) |
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| 17:10.08 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, is it that difficult? Blender, for example, uses python and it is simple for windows users |
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| 17:12.45 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: they have a packaging group - it might or might not be difficult now, but sure, try it and see - you have to account for running the application with the PHP interpreter, compile it so that it finds its libraries and provide a sane php.ini, to cover for the basics |
| 17:14.21 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, ok, you convinced me to forget about php |
| 17:15.03 | obiwahn | Schuenemann: what are you trying? |
| 17:15.05 | thewanderer1 | I'm a fan of PHP itself, but so far Windows has been the biggest obstacle in applications... |
| 17:15.53 | Schuenemann | obiwahn, to write a php desktop application available to windows and linux (and others) without making users install php themselves |
| 17:16.08 | obiwahn | why php? |
| 17:16.18 | Schuenemann | I don't know |
| 17:16.22 | obiwahn | and waht is the application supposed to do? |
| 17:16.25 | Schuenemann | I just started with it |
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| 17:16.47 | Schuenemann | little game editor |
| 17:16.50 | nettezzaumana_ | hi there |
| 17:16.53 | nettezzaumana_ | i have a little minor problem .. can i somehow change a disk-ram buffering/caching beahaviour .. i have fulltime the most of the ram free and it's despicable: > egrep ^\(MemT\|MemF\|Cach\) /proc/meminfo |
| 17:17.04 | nettezzaumana_ | MemTotal: 4049196 kB |
| 17:17.07 | nettezzaumana_ | MemFree: 2422680 kB |
| 17:17.09 | nettezzaumana_ | Cached: 936568 kB |
| 17:17.19 | Schuenemann | obiwahn, what do you think I should use instead? |
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| 17:17.43 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: I would recommend C++, everyone is using it including Skype |
| 17:17.45 | siOuX_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.46 | obiwahn | i like python |
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| 17:17.58 | siOuX_ | *samba4 |
| 17:17.59 | Schuenemann | obiwahn, I would have the same problems, no? |
| 17:18.07 | obiwahn | you could use python wxwigets |
| 17:18.13 | thewanderer1 | obiwahn: I like turtles, but still, in the world of "applications", pre-compiled ones still reign :P |
| 17:18.29 | thewanderer1 | nettezzaumana_: what do you want to achieve? |
| 17:18.39 | obiwahn | same shit as people need to install python and wxwidgets |
| 17:18.40 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, I know it's good, but I really don't like lower-level programming |
| 17:19.20 | initself | when i do |
| 17:19.21 | initself | /usr/bin/ssh -i /.ssh/id_dsa_copyfiles crm\@192.168.0.25 sh -c "mkdir -p -m 0777 /var/tmp/crm/${1};" |
| 17:19.22 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: I hate it too, that's why I don't do desktop application programming :P |
| 17:19.24 | initself | i get |
| 17:19.25 | initself | mkdir: missing operand |
| 17:19.28 | initself | anyone see why? |
| 17:19.30 | obiwahn | well c++ is nice dont do it in c |
| 17:20.00 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: you should really look into Web desktop apps - you embed a PHP website in a window and go from there... |
| 17:20.05 | obiwahn | lets hope that google go comes to windows soon |
| 17:20.09 | thewanderer1 | like Mozilla Prism or so |
| 17:20.18 | nettezzaumana_ | thewanderer1: uff. what i have wrote .. i just want to increase a disk buffereng |
| 17:20.21 | thewanderer1 | Google Go? sounds like "hell no" |
| 17:20.31 | obiwahn | its something between python and c++ |
| 17:20.34 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, I think it would be very boring to use it with a browser and that UL/DL |
| 17:20.54 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: a local app. |
| 17:21.12 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, what about the interpreter? |
| 17:21.12 | thewanderer1 | it takes lots of JavaScript and crap, but some are using it for "desktop-like" functionality |
| 17:21.33 | Schuenemann | obiwahn, is c++ code portable or is it like c? (no conio, no this, no that) |
| 17:21.36 | thewanderer1 | the interpreter still needs to be delivered... somehow. or just put online in a SaaS fashion |
| 17:21.49 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: C++ is designed to be portable, but in fact it is far from portable. |
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| 17:21.58 | thewanderer1 | still better than C, though |
| 17:22.03 | obiwahn | Schuenemann: you can save yourself a lot trouble if you wirte some kind of server and write 2 seperate guis for windows and linux |
| 17:22.36 | thewanderer1 | nettezzaumana_: your system will cache as much as it can in memory - only files you read are stored, though |
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| 17:23.02 | thewanderer1 | nettezzaumana_: if you want it to force to load up on caches, just read (cat?) some files and it'll suck them up |
| 17:23.15 | obiwahn | haven't tried qt in depth for that but sometimes frameworks like wxwidgets force you to do ugly things |
| 17:23.28 | Schuenemann | obiwahn, does it have those nice structures like python? lists, dictionaries and stuff? |
| 17:23.44 | obiwahn | it has the stl |
| 17:23.51 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: C++ has STL (linked lists, arrays) and there is also Boost (TR1) |
| 17:24.02 | obiwahn | and there are powerful container |
| 17:24.29 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: then comes the Qt which reimplements all of them, and claims to do it better. Qt is not really a graphical library, it's all-in-one livrary. |
| 17:24.31 | obiwahn | and there are powerful vector - map everything |
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| 17:24.36 | Schuenemann | I already wrote a lot of stuff in php, including unit tests |
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| 17:25.03 | obiwahn | i dislike php |
| 17:25.22 | obiwahn | debugging is hell - ok you can do it in eclipse somehow |
| 17:25.46 | Schuenemann | unit tests make debugging less important, but I confess I didn't like it too much |
| 17:25.48 | obiwahn | no type safty no performance |
| 17:26.05 | obiwahn | well that applies for python as well |
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| 17:26.13 | obiwahn | but that is object oriented |
| 17:26.19 | thewanderer1 | PHP is object oriented too :P |
| 17:26.27 | Schuenemann | yes, I wrote OO too |
| 17:26.40 | obiwahn | perl is ... |
| 17:26.42 | Schuenemann | even though I can't understand why we do strlen("aaa") instead of "aaa".strlen() |
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| 17:26.59 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: the latter is what you do in C++ |
| 17:27.04 | thewanderer1 | (more or less) |
| 17:27.17 | Schuenemann | thewanderer1, in any OO language I suppose |
| 17:27.37 | thewanderer1 | Schuenemann: you can try #php channel and ask the guys about porting apps to Windows and bundling them with some graphical toolkits |
| 17:28.01 | Schuenemann | I will |
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| 17:28.40 | nettezzaumana_ | uff. can i somehow print out a original access rights (permissions) for files owned by package ?? (dpkg -L $foo) .. i can't find any of strings permiss|rights|access in dpkg(1) |
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| 17:29.59 | thewanderer1 | nettezzaumana_: unpack the package file and see for yourself, then compare by hand |
| 17:31.38 | nettezzaumana_ | thewanderer1: debian is really medieval :( .. `rpm -v -ql $foo` is just doing this |
| 17:33.53 | thewanderer1 | nettezzaumana_: feel free to submit a patch :) |
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| 17:37.57 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 17:38.12 | dboehmer | i am having problems setting up bind9 and dhcp3-server with dynamic dns |
| 17:38.28 | dboehmer | dns resolving works but the dhcp clients cannot be addressed |
| 17:38.42 | dboehmer | also their reverse dns entries are not existing |
| 17:38.59 | dboehmer | something in the communication between dhcp3-server and bind9 is going wrong |
| 17:39.14 | dboehmer | it stuck to this tutorial http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-setup-dhcp-server-and-dynamic-dns-with-bind-in-debian.html |
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| 17:43.08 | thewanderer1 | does Wine take any measures to prevent Windows malware from hitting my system? |
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| 17:43.41 | quitte | it runs with the users privileges |
| 17:45.05 | thewanderer1 | alright - creating a new user on a ramdisk :D |
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| 17:50.29 | ilker | i am installing debian gnu/linux now, ext4 journaling file system does not exist. |
| 17:50.50 | valdyn | ilker: thats right, it not supported in lenny |
| 17:51.17 | ilker | valdyn: alright, then can i use ext4 after installation? |
| 17:51.42 | valdyn | ilker: if you get a kernel that is not officialy supported |
| 17:51.48 | valdyn | ilker: like from backports.org |
| 17:52.53 | ilker | hmm, thanks |
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| 17:56.08 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: not intentionally. If the malware uses exposed windows APIs it ought to work. |
| 17:57.11 | quitte | thewanderer1: if you look at the package - it recommends or at least suggests a virus scanner |
| 17:58.00 | thewanderer1 | quitte: oh, indeed - I haven't read its package fields for long |
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| 18:11.19 | jelly-home | quitte: but does it integrate the antivirus into file access and execution paths? |
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| 18:12.22 | quitte | i don't know. probably not. |
| 18:12.35 | quitte | it can be added with inotify,though |
| 18:12.59 | quitte | that won't prevent access to data that was not yet scanned,though |
| 18:15.31 | project2501a | how do submit a patch for the text of the debian new maintainer guide? the english version has some grammaical errors: eg p14 is useless, it's a blank page. p35, very bottom of the page, it should say "It basically says "run me instead". |
| 18:16.01 | jelly-home | ooh, someone, packaged wine 1.2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585409#65 |
| 18:17.11 | jelly-home | will test it against some demoscene releases |
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| 18:18.04 | project2501a | jelly-home: i like this guy already |
| 18:18.34 | project2501a | he offers a solution and he is saying you can actually do this easily, if you just vote to override the "minimal changes" policy for this package :) |
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| 19:07.50 | lyakh | hi, has anyone been successful using dynamically linked skype on amd64 squeeze? |
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| 19:13.40 | babilen | lyakh: Heard that the Ubuntu versions works quite well - what kind of problems do you experience? |
| 19:14.45 | lyakh | babilen: tried (almost) all versions - ubuntu "64bit" (it still wants 32-bit libs), debian lenny, tar-ball dynamic and static |
| 19:14.55 | lyakh | all fail to find various libs |
| 19:15.33 | lyakh | dynamic ones are missing libqt-dbus 32-bit version |
| 19:15.43 | babilen | lyakh: I just tried the newest Ubuntu 64bit version and it is working well, although I can't test the webcam functionality right now. |
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| 19:15.54 | lyakh | static one wants libgthread - I guess, also 32-bit |
| 19:16.04 | lyakh | have you tried beta or stable version? |
| 19:16.35 | babilen | lyakh: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-64 -- the beta one |
| 19:17.09 | lyakh | it woooorked??? |
| 19:17.11 | babilen | But Skype is unfortunately not really supported in here - What packages do you need and why don't you just install them? |
| 19:17.12 | lyakh | under squeeze? |
| 19:17.15 | babilen | yeah |
| 19:17.29 | lyakh | doesn't start here... |
| 19:17.36 | WormFood | is there a .deb archive of debian-multimedia somewhere? |
| 19:17.52 | babilen | I doubt it ... |
| 19:17.52 | lyakh | babilen: what do you mean what packages - to install skype? |
| 19:17.56 | babilen | ,versions skype |
| 19:18.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'skype' was found. |
| 19:18.29 | babilen | and none on dmm as well |
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| 19:18.50 | lyakh | babilen: can you do ldd on your skype? |
| 19:18.51 | WormFood | you don't need a package to "install" skype. Just uncompress it somewhere, and launch it manually, or add it to your menu manually. |
| 19:18.51 | babilen | lyakh: Well, what problems do you experience with ubuntu's beta package? |
| 19:19.09 | lyakh | babilen: "libQtDBus.so.4 => not found" |
| 19:19.14 | lyakh | (from ldd output) |
| 19:19.15 | babilen | lyakh: sure, hang on |
| 19:20.21 | babilen | lyakh: /usr/lib32/libQtDBus.so.4 (from ia32-libs-gtk) |
| 19:20.31 | lyakh | ah, ok, thanks! |
| 19:20.44 | babilen | !tell lyakh -about apt-file |
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| 19:22.02 | WormFood | Install ia32-libs-gtk to get libQtDBus.so.4 |
| 19:22.02 | lyakh | babilen: yeah, could have looked at "http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages" too... |
| 19:23.10 | WormFood | is there a .deb archive of debian-multimedia somewhere? |
| 19:23.35 | dvs | !multimedia |
| 19:23.35 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 19:23.59 | jelly-home | WormFood: what do you mean a .deb archive? |
| 19:24.26 | WormFood | A newer package broke something, and I want to downgrade to the older one, and it has already been flushed from my cache :( |
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| 19:25.02 | jelly-home | ah, older versions of packages from dmm. |
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| 19:25.38 | WormFood | yes |
| 19:26.45 | lyakh | yeah, well... skype starts, but crashes while logging in with "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 611: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!" |
| 19:28.27 | jelly-home | WormFood: I've no idea if such a snapshot archive exists. |
| 19:28.59 | babilen | lyakh: No idea - I'm not running into that problem. You might want to check the skype forums |
| 19:29.17 | lyakh | babilen: I think, I've found something already... |
| 19:29.34 | WormFood | jelly-home, it probably does not exist; if it does, I can't find it with google |
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| 19:30.32 | jelly-home | WormFood: eh, I doubt it'd be easy to find snapshot.debian.org with google easily |
| 19:31.06 | jelly-home | this message brought to you by the department of redundancy department |
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| 19:31.35 | WormFood | thanks anyways. I'm going to bed. See ya'll l8r |
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| 19:38.19 | lyakh | hm, this one is still not solved: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543448 ? |
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| 19:48.42 | linduxed | lets say ive got a package installed that i know was pulled along as a dependency, how do i check what package that depends on it? |
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| 19:50.16 | cahoot | attmept to remove it? |
| 19:50.46 | babilen | linduxed: "aptitude why pkg" and "apt-cache rdepends pkg" might help -- but what are you trying to do? |
| 19:52.37 | lyakh | ok, that trick with x86 libs helped |
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| 19:56.42 | linduxed | babilen: i want to figure out why i've got a command called ranlib, when i know that i havent installed such a thing myself |
| 19:57.43 | linduxed | babilen: hmmm, just my luck. there's no ranlib package |
| 19:58.13 | linduxed | is there a way to check what package a command belongs to? |
| 19:58.22 | cahoot | apt-file? |
| 19:58.37 | dvs | apt-cache search? |
| 19:58.55 | TimmyT | Where can I find Intel GMA 4500 driver for debian? I have googled that. but I couldn't find anything |
| 19:59.08 | Bushmills | dpkg -S |
| 19:59.08 | dpkg | Bushmills: I give up, what is it? |
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| 19:59.40 | cahoot | linduxed: ranlib is part of binutils IIRC - you want to keep that |
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| 20:02.06 | TimmyT | abortman: Would you tell me please where I can find it?(intel GMA 4500 driver for debian)Because you tolled me you use intel. |
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| 20:04.24 | macrobat | TimmyT: xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 20:06.44 | TimmyT | macrobat: synaptic says: This package provides the driver for the Intel i8xx and i9xx family |
| 20:06.44 | TimmyT | of chipsets, including i810, i815, i830, i845, i855, i865, i915, i945 |
| 20:06.44 | TimmyT | and i965 series chips. |
| 20:07.01 | macrobat | aha |
| 20:07.04 | TimmyT | macrobat: I have a GMA 4500m |
| 20:07.47 | linduxed | cahoot: hmmm, i see |
| 20:07.55 | linduxed | cahoot: won't be touching that i guess then |
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| 20:13.20 | _0x47 | Hi! Is it possible to add a new file to a source tree with quilt? If yes, how? |
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| 20:44.26 | _0x47 | Anyone here? I found out how to do this, but I need to change the /dev/null line in the patch to something else, as I have no access to /dev/null and it fails on packaging that patch. |
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| 20:44.46 | _0x47 | What could I use? |
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| 20:59.22 | sparr | I want to install Windows XP on my netbook. I do not have a Windows computer on which to run CD/ISO -> USB conversion tools. Are there tools to do this for linux? |
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| 21:07.50 | skamikaze | got a question on "chattr" |
| 21:08.00 | thewanderer1 | sparr: there are no ISO->USB conversion tools. go ask #windows - they know about some PXE stuff. |
| 21:08.14 | skamikaze | how would i add "append-only" option to .profile files for all users? |
| 21:08.47 | sparr | thewanderer1: unetbootin claims to be able to do it. and it works as far as booting the unetbootin interface from the flash drive, but fails beyond that |
| 21:08.48 | skamikaze | tried find -name ".profile" -exec chattr +append-only {} \; |
| 21:09.21 | sparr | skamikaze: you'll need to be root to do that. also, {} needs to be escaped in some shells. |
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| 21:09.38 | thewanderer1 | sparr: it means that Unetbootin is unable to boot Windows... |
| 21:09.41 | skamikaze | i am root atm |
| 21:09.48 | skamikaze | but i never used chattr before |
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| 21:10.05 | skamikaze | my english is not perfect and there's no german manpage for it :( |
| 21:10.07 | thewanderer1 | sparr: I would not be surprised - use PXE to install on a netbook, really |
| 21:10.20 | thewanderer1 | skamikaze: so how does your find command fail? |
| 21:10.45 | skamikaze | Usage: chattr [-RVf] [-+=AacDdijsSu] [-v version] files... |
| 21:11.00 | thewanderer1 | it should be +a, not +append-only |
| 21:11.13 | skamikaze | tyvm |
| 21:11.26 | skamikaze | ah perfect |
| 21:11.36 | sparr | thewanderer1: I don't think my netbook supports booting from the network :( |
| 21:11.40 | skamikaze | worked :) |
| 21:12.07 | thewanderer1 | sparr: almost all netbooks support this - if it doesn't, it's some very exotic stuff (hint: look for Intel Boot Assistant or IBA) |
| 21:12.39 | thewanderer1 | skamikaze: hint: install manpages-de and you should get manuals in German |
| 21:12.47 | skamikaze | got it allready |
| 21:12.54 | skamikaze | as i said there is no german manpage for it :) |
| 21:12.58 | thewanderer1 | uh ok |
| 21:13.17 | thewanderer1 | I'm sure there are unofficial translations *somewhere* :D |
| 21:13.21 | skamikaze | hugs thewanderer1 for the fast help |
| 21:13.22 | skamikaze | :) |
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| 21:15.38 | thewanderer1 | you basically issued side effects with that find command... better to use `getent passwd` with cut than find, or else you're finding all files, including /etc/skel and all backups :P |
| 21:16.27 | thewanderer1 | sparr: if you really are unable to boot from network, I would recommend getting around that requirement by a) using a USB optical drive b) using etherboot + pendrive to boot from PXE nevertheless c) making a Windows system image, firing up Clonezilla-ish software from a pendrive and imaging your machine |
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| 21:16.37 | skamikaze | i tried it first with an echo, it just printed .history dude |
| 21:17.05 | thewanderer1 | good :) |
| 21:17.23 | sparr | thewanderer1: ok, looks like I can, so now I just have to figure out how. all the guides i can find assume i have a windows box to host the PXE stuff |
| 21:17.51 | thewanderer1 | sparr: there are workarounds most certainly, the first one I can think of being VirtualBox/KVM |
| 21:18.25 | sparr | I've got XP in a virtualbox, but I've never configured it sufficiently for things like network services or manipulating local storage devices |
| 21:18.41 | thewanderer1 | hm, now you have the chance to :P |
| 21:18.45 | sparr | I really expected this process to be a lot easier, you'd think MS would support people switching from linux to windows |
| 21:19.04 | thewanderer1 | MS basically never got the idea of a drive-less computer you know :P |
| 21:19.20 | sparr | I'm about 8 hours into this process so far |
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| 21:20.37 | karlpinc | Is there a way to use ssh with public key authentication without encryption. There seems no way to specify no cipher. (AFAICT) I want to be able to become another user without typing a password. Perhaps there is another way? |
| 21:20.51 | karlpinc | On the local box. |
| 21:21.02 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: why not just configure sudo for yourself? |
| 21:21.21 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Then I'd have to re-type my password. |
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| 21:21.30 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: no, if you set NOPASSWD |
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| 21:22.07 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: also, why no encryption? encryption imposes hardly any overhead unless you're on a Pentium I |
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| 21:23.18 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: That sounds plausable. A little clunky because I then would restrict myself to just the specific su needed to become the other user. I wouldn't want to have nopassword to full root access. But in this case I wouldn't need sudo for anything else. It'd break though if I wanted "direct" access to another user. |
| 21:23.37 | skamikaze | got another question on server configuration: someone got a good basic setup for logcheck or a tutorial where i can read more on basic useful regex exp.? |
| 21:23.46 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: you can configure sudo to allow execution as a specified user only, not root |
| 21:24.14 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: The box is 5 years old and cost $100. And I'd be running vnc through it. There might be a bit of overhead. It just seems clunky. I could configure openvpn to without encryption, but, ugh. |
| 21:24.19 | Tramp | skamikaze: did you check the /topic of #regex? |
| 21:24.37 | skamikaze | no tyvm |
| 21:24.42 | Tramp | yw |
| 21:24.59 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: It's still restict me in that I couldn't then use sudo for anything else. (Not that I do.) |
| 21:25.21 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: VNC through SSH? what for? if you are connecting remotely, why don't you a) use SSH X forwarding? b) set up SSH keys for the other user too? |
| 21:25.39 | skamikaze | Tramp: you maybe got me wrong i am not a cruel regex newb and use linux for years but this is my first server |
| 21:25.54 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: X11vnc. I want to manipulate the desktop that the user already has for end-user support. |
| 21:26.08 | skamikaze | so i never had to care bout critical log entries on prod. envs |
| 21:26.45 | karlpinc | skamikaze: If you're serious about regexp I believe (could be wrong) there's an entire O Reily book. |
| 21:27.00 | karlpinc | skamikaze: swatch is nice. |
| 21:27.07 | skamikaze | got it allready installed |
| 21:27.08 | skamikaze | :) |
| 21:27.17 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: just setup the SSH keys for the other user and forget about sudo - sudo won't work too nice with VNC X redir or so |
| 21:27.22 | skamikaze | is just a bit paranoid |
| 21:27.30 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: *doh!* |
| 21:28.06 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Well, that's the answer. |
| 21:28.33 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: otherwise, just tell the user (or configure their environment so that) to start the VNC server and get some SSH TCP tunnelling to remote localhost |
| 21:31.40 | brah | Is there any way to elevate volume even more? I already maxed alsamixer. |
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| 21:32.09 | macrobat | brah: vlc goes to eleven |
| 21:32.25 | brah | I'm watching documentaries on youtube. |
| 21:32.27 | thewanderer1 | brah: your speakers probably have a gauge or sth :P |
| 21:32.37 | brah | My headphones, already maxed. |
| 21:33.11 | macrobat | try oss maybe |
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| 21:33.49 | thewanderer1 | brah: have you maxed out all toggles in alsamixer? including PCM? |
| 21:34.07 | brah | Yep. |
| 21:34.21 | thewanderer1 | then you're not making it louder it seems... |
| 21:34.24 | brah | It lets me go into negative db gains, but not positives. |
| 21:34.32 | brah | It's sitting at 0.00 db |
| 21:34.35 | brah | dB |
| 21:34.37 | thewanderer1 | hmm |
| 21:34.44 | thewanderer1 | "Interesting" :P |
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| 21:35.08 | thewanderer1 | you could use a software amplifier in the middle - like piping audio through a sophisticated system of tubes (think pulseaudio) |
| 21:35.33 | brah | A series of tubes? You mean like the internet? |
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| 21:35.57 | thewanderer1 | no, not a series - a system. pulseaudio has sinks already... |
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| 21:38.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a simple way to take a default lenny install and strip it down to a basic install and use my DVD repo disks to build it up from there? |
| 21:38.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | So I can experiment. |
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| 21:39.37 | thewanderer1 | LinuxGuy2009: there's an even simpler way - install basic Lenny with all software selections turned off, start from there. |
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| 21:40.48 | moldovean | or do a debootstarp .. |
| 21:41.05 | macrobat | for example, you dont have to have less installed |
| 21:41.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | thewanderer1: Ok I figured that was the best way. Maybe Ill do that and then run a "dpkg --get-selections>BasicInstallPackages.list" and copy it somewhere so I can always get right back to a basic install. |
| 21:41.26 | thewanderer1 | LinuxGuy2009: do you need a live system or can you work in a chroot, too? |
| 21:41.51 | thewanderer1 | (a question of kernel+udev+device drivers, basically) |
| 21:41.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | thewanderer1: No idea what chroot is. |
| 21:42.26 | thewanderer1 | LinuxGuy2009: man chroot. in this case, I recommend setting up VirtualBox - you can save a disk snapshot and revert to it if you want to go back in time :D |
| 21:43.00 | macrobat | LinuxGuy2009: to get all deliberately install pkgs: aptitude search ~i\!~M |awk ' {print $2}' | tr "\n" " " > pkgs_installed_oneline |
| 21:43.29 | thewanderer1 | virtualization is definitely good for experimentation without breaking too much |
| 21:43.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | thewanderer1: right. I'm actually ditching ubuntu Im so sick of things just not being reliable. |
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| 21:56.14 | imasaint | How do I enable microphone for flash apps in Firefox? I keep getting this error message: You must first "Allow" permissions in "Microphone Settings" to use Voice Search. |
| 21:58.01 | imasaint | By the way, I checked google. IT wasn't very helpful, it simply said to replace it |
| 21:58.02 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm unable to mount an NFS share - mount hangs |
| 21:58.15 | imasaint | replace the flash code with new flash code |
| 21:58.18 | imasaint | I want to know how to ENABLE it |
| 21:58.23 | thewanderer1 | server says: mountd[3791]: authenticated mount request from 10.6.0.2:855 for /srv/vz/root/121/home (/srv/vz/root/121/home) |
| 21:58.32 | imasaint | try turning off an internal firewall |
| 21:58.48 | thewanderer1 | the firewall log shows no dropped packets |
| 21:59.07 | thewanderer1 | 10.6.0.0.24->firewall traffic is allowed |
| 21:59.07 | simonrvn | looks like it worked, but you can't access it? |
| 21:59.24 | thewanderer1 | simonrvn: no, the mount just hangs and never completes - it's interruptable by Ctrl+C though |
| 21:59.44 | simonrvn | something local, like an rpc service |
| 21:59.51 | imasaint | By the way, I checked google. IT wasn't very helpful, it simply said to replace it |
| 21:59.54 | imasaint | How do I enable microphone for flash apps in Firefox? I keep getting this error message: You must first "Allow" permissions in "Microphone Settings" to use Voice Search. |
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| 22:00.30 | Section1 | try rightclick on flash |
| 22:00.33 | thewanderer1 | `rpcinfo -p localhost` shows me 2 portmapper entries |
| 22:00.39 | simonrvn | 2? |
| 22:00.44 | thewanderer1 | tcp and udp |
| 22:00.45 | simonrvn | problem |
| 22:00.48 | simonrvn | oh, nm |
| 22:01.15 | simonrvn | mind pasting that to me in /msg ? |
| 22:01.22 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 22:01.26 | thewanderer1 | sure not :P |
| 22:01.37 | thewanderer1 | (to keep grammatically correct) |
| 22:01.46 | imasaint | How do I enable microphone for flash apps in Firefox? I keep getting this error message: You must first "Allow" permissions in "Microphone Settings" to use Voice Search. |
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| 22:02.26 | thewanderer1 | imasaint: right-click flash applet, choose "preferences" and do what this message says |
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| 22:03.40 | imasaint | I changed it from always ask to always allow. Now what? |
| 22:03.50 | imasaint | for www.midomi.com |
| 22:03.55 | simonrvn | thewanderer1: lenny? |
| 22:04.16 | imasaint | There is not okay or save settings button. I'm using the flash player settings panels at http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html |
| 22:04.26 | thewanderer1 | simonrvn: yeah |
| 22:04.37 | imasaint | What do I do there? |
| 22:04.46 | imasaint | I'm trying to get http://www.midomi.com to work in Firefox for Debian/ |
| 22:04.49 | simonrvn | is nfs loaded ? lsmod i mean |
| 22:04.56 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 22:13.20 | ma3x | hello, been having problems with the 'intel' display driver. it renders stuff badly in firefox (or iceweasel in testing/unstable). anyone know fix? |
| 22:13.29 | eightfold | i get "failing step" running the installer, when getting to the "Select and install software" |
| 22:13.35 | eightfold | what could this be? |
| 22:13.42 | thewanderer1 | eightfold: switch to VTY4 and see |
| 22:14.46 | eightfold | thewanderer1: how to? |
| 22:14.58 | thewanderer1 | eightfold: Alt+F4 in the installer |
| 22:15.17 | thewanderer1 | (alt+F1 gives you the installer screen back) |
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| 22:15.59 | eightfold | thewanderer1: strange, that does nothing. i think my keyboard layout should be correct |
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| 22:17.25 | thewanderer1 | eightfold: also try Ctrl+Alt+F4 (I hope you're not using the graphical install, it has a few bugs :P ) |
| 22:18.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im testing Lenny in Vbox and I unchecked desktop environment to get the minimal system to build upon. But what about standard system? Is that required to get apt-cdrom to add my repo DVD set and build the system up or is it safe to uncheck as well for a minimal system? |
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| 22:19.52 | thewanderer1 | LinuxGuy2009: you should be fine with base system only, I think |
| 22:19.54 | peterrooney | LinuxGuy2009: standard system not a pre-req; "apt-get install aptitude apt-cdrom" should work. |
| 22:23.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok |
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| 22:30.01 | eightfold | thewanderer1: i was using the graphical one, yes. perhaps i should try the other one. i'm not getting a successful install. |
| 22:30.36 | thewanderer1 | eightfold: run the text install, graphical install has failed on me too many times |
| 22:31.10 | eightfold | should i set the hdd to "bootable"? |
| 22:31.15 | eightfold | i only have one partition, one drive |
| 22:31.26 | eightfold | does something to mbr, right? |
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| 22:32.06 | thewanderer1 | "bootable" sets a bit flag in the MBR |
| 22:33.01 | thewanderer1 | MBR actually holds the partition info (types, flags and boundaries), and you want the bootable flag set on your primary partition containing /boot |
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| 22:53.44 | macrobat | wont debian boot anyway? |
| 22:54.27 | thewanderer1 | macrobat: this is unlikely, I think - BIOS looks only for partitions marked as bootable during its bootup sequence |
| 22:54.44 | thewanderer1 | it will not read the bootloader code from a disk that has no partitions marked as bootable |
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| 23:07.44 | hesco | what package might give me --with-ttf TrueType support for php5 in apache? |
| 23:08.16 | hesco | and how might I coax such information out of apt-cache next time I go looking for this? |
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| 23:12.02 | EricBlade | hi there, i just started up compiz to replace my metacity (using "compiz --replace") and now my taskbar has disappeared. how to get it back? |
| 23:12.09 | thewanderer1 | hesco: TrueType is already compiled into php5-gd |
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| 23:12.19 | thewanderer1 | (or it was last time I checked) |
| 23:12.30 | thewanderer1 | EricBlade: call it the second time or so |
| 23:12.43 | thewanderer1 | if it doesn't get back - perhaps it's not supposed to? :P |
| 23:13.29 | EricBlade | thewanderer1: restart compiz again? i've done this like 3 times in the past few days, and it normally comes up with my taskbars just as everything was under metacity .. :| |
| 23:14.07 | thewanderer1 | for me, --replace only works after I run it twice O.o |
| 23:14.07 | EricBlade | nope |
| 23:14.26 | thewanderer1 | do you have window decoration working at least? |
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| 23:14.45 | EricBlade | yeah, it seems to be working fine, just my top and bottom toolbars are not htere |
| 23:15.29 | EricBlade | normally when i run compiz --replace, the window decorations go away for about a half second, then everythign comes back up as normal .. now it's clearing the entire display to thee background color, taking about 5 seconds, then restoring |
| 23:15.51 | thewanderer1 | then you must have changed software versions or so |
| 23:16.09 | EricBlade | i wonder if itt's because i had a wine app running when i did it, normally i do it right after i startup |
| 23:16.20 | hesco | thewanderer1: thanks. phpinfo() failed to reveal that fact. It says that FreeType is enabled, but not TrueType. Is that a legitimate substitute for most purposes? |
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| 23:17.25 | EricBlade | alt-tab switcher is working |
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| 23:17.40 | EricBlade | there's space reserved for my top taskbar |
| 23:18.04 | thewanderer1 | hesco: .ttf files work for me |
| 23:18.37 | Ziber | Where does Debian log errors involving "failed to bring up eth0", eventho eth0 is up, in ifconfig? |
| 23:18.42 | EricBlade | bah, i restart metacity and there everything is, switch back to compiz, and gone |
| 23:19.30 | EricBlade | aha! i kill both of them, then run "metacity & compiz &" and i get it |
| 23:19.48 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 23:20.16 | EricBlade | thank you anyway .. that's really bizarre. |
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| 23:28.06 | peterrooney | Ziber: check /var/log/kern.log, /va/log/messages |
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| 23:34.56 | eightfold | can't figure out how i got to the place where i could chose partition table in the installer |
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| 23:34.59 | eightfold | gpt etc |
| 23:37.05 | thewanderer1 | probably sth like "select the disk device instead of a partition device in the partitioner" |
| 23:37.44 | newsense | can i go from a 32bit kernel to a 64bit with no problems ? |
| 23:38.47 | thewanderer1 | newsense: usually yes, however your kernel should give you warnings on boot (legacy support in use, etc) and closed-source graphics drivers (notably NVIDIA) don't like that |
| 23:39.18 | newsense | thewanderer1: what about ati proprietary drivers ? |
| 23:39.41 | thewanderer1 | newsense: I have no idea, but I suppose you might run into problems, too |
| 23:39.59 | newsense | ok thanks thewanderer1 i figured something would break |
| 23:40.04 | newsense | :) |
| 23:40.09 | Raptors | hey guys is there a way to test a at job? |
| 23:40.12 | thewanderer1 | I would start with reverting to open-source drivers and booting, and restoring fglrx afterwards when you get it running |
| 23:40.19 | Raptors | "at" job |
| 23:40.31 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: at "now + 1 minute" |
| 23:40.33 | newsense | thewanderer1: yeah that's the plan, thanks again |
| 23:40.54 | Raptors | thewanderer1, I already made the job |
| 23:41.05 | Raptors | is there a way to copy it |
| 23:41.09 | Raptors | or run the job |
| 23:41.33 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: you can try to hack it - look into atd's spool files |
| 23:42.17 | newsense | thewanderer1: one last question, are the drivers about the same between the 2 kernels as far as drivers in the kernel ? |
| 23:42.42 | newsense | thewanderer1: sorry betwwn 32bit and 64bit kernels that is |
| 23:42.55 | thewanderer1 | newsense: the standard drivers are the same, just compiled for another arch |
| 23:43.12 | thewanderer1 | (except for arch-specific obscure stuff, if any exists) |
| 23:43.50 | newsense | thewanderer1: ok i was wondering mainly about the rtl8187 wifi driver but i guess that falls into standard these days |
| 23:44.08 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 23:44.11 | newsense | haha |
| 23:44.15 | newsense | ok thanks again :) |
| 23:44.24 | thewanderer1 | I wonder, why are you changing architecture? :P |
| 23:44.31 | newsense | thewanderer1: a friend is |
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| 23:44.45 | thewanderer1 | reinstalling would be far easier |
| 23:44.53 | newsense | thewanderer1: i was actually trying to conce him not to, he only has 2 gigs of ram |
| 23:45.02 | newsense | convince* |
| 23:45.09 | thewanderer1 | running 32-bit userland with a 64-bit kernel is madness, usually |
| 23:45.35 | newsense | he doesn't listen well |
| 23:45.38 | thewanderer1 | I run amd64 on a 2GB-mem laptop with no problems (Flash is a problem, lack of it - isn't) |
| 23:45.56 | newsense | now i have an argument to bring up with the 32bit userlan and 64bit kernel |
| 23:46.11 | newsense | thewanderer1: oh he will want flash too |
| 23:46.17 | newsense | another great point |
| 23:46.24 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 23:46.36 | thewanderer1 | amd64 has its uses, i386 has, too |
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| 23:48.05 | thewanderer1 | how do I disable icons in Apache2 directory listings? |
| 23:52.16 | stew | thewanderer1: get rid of the icon directives in mods-enabled/autoindex.conf |
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| 23:53.14 | thewanderer1 | hmm, ok |
| 23:54.08 | stew | thewanderer1: there might be other ways, look up the documentation for mod_autoindex |
| 23:57.10 | thewanderer1 | alright, I've disabled HTMLtable and it works "better" now :P |
