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| 00:03.22 | pha | why is there so many disks for debian? I don't notice this with any other distro. |
| 00:03.36 | pha | is there a place to grab one iso/image - just one cd? |
| 00:03.41 | streuner | because Debian has many packages? |
| 00:03.45 | streuner | sure |
| 00:03.47 | karlpinc | pha: Use the netinstall cd. |
| 00:03.50 | streuner | !netinstall |
| 00:03.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 00:04.13 | pha | thank you very much guys :] |
| 00:04.19 | streuner | pha: please read this too - /msg dpkg ig |
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| 00:04.38 | karlpinc | pha: See the installation manual at... struener beat me to it. |
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| 00:05.58 | pha | heh, i'll be able to install it - i'm just a gentoo user, and decided to look at ubuntu - and since I was looking at that, thought I would look at it's big brother. |
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| 00:06.11 | pha | must be alot of shít included for it to have been that big. |
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| 00:06.56 | karlpinc | pha: If you're doing more than one box then you might want to look at apt-cacher, the package. Debian has more packages than any distro I know of. I'd be curious if another had more. |
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| 00:08.07 | pha | apt-cacher... hrmm. |
| 00:08.31 | pha | well, i'm actually testing it on a rack - I had used debian, just had never installed it. |
| 00:08.37 | pha | so thats appreciated, thank you very much :] |
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| 00:38.55 | rking | Under X/Gnome, what is the right way to enter a Unicode symbol? |
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| 00:52.39 | HTT-Bird | hey guys |
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| 00:54.53 | HTT-Bird | I can't seem to figure out how to rebuild the broadcom-sta (wl.ko) module under Squeeze...could someone help me? |
| 00:56.08 | HTT-Bird | errr...s/Squeeze/testing (w/e testing is called these days) |
| 00:56.17 | moldovean | !wl |
| 00:56.17 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
| 00:56.19 | dvs | HTT-Bird: m-a a-i broadcom-sta |
| 00:56.44 | HTT-Bird | dvs, thx |
| 00:56.55 | HTT-Bird | !bcm4312 |
| 00:56.55 | dpkg | Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (contrib) in Squeeze. Lenny users: for Linux 2.6.32 packages, ask me about <bpo>; see also http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp to provide required firmware. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>. |
| 00:57.05 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: /msg dpkg foo |
| 00:57.18 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, sry :p moldovean, that should go for you too :) |
| 00:57.25 | dvs | np |
| 00:57.32 | innociv | How do I make an init.d starting something not need sudo? |
| 00:57.46 | abrotman | su ? |
| 00:57.49 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, speaking of dpkg, could you update the bcm4312 factoid to mention that Atom/ULV C2D users should use wl with that card? |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | i don't know the pciid ? |
| 00:58.15 | epsilon | how can I replace newlines in a textfile to another character? using [:cntrl:] or \n in sed doesn't really work... |
| 00:58.16 | HTT-Bird | 14e4:4315 |
| 00:58.18 | abrotman | but i don't see a specific mention of anything else |
| 00:58.21 | abrotman | it's right there! |
| 00:59.02 | HTT-Bird | as b43 LP-PHY support + most ULV C2Ds and Atoms (as well as a few other mobile C2Ds) = FATAL DMA ERROR unless you force PIO mode |
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| 00:59.13 | HTT-Bird | (which requires a custom kernel, and slows your card down a lot) |
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| 00:59.29 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: you can edit the wiki page ? that sounds like a lot of info for a factoid |
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| 00:59.39 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, ah. :) |
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| 00:59.45 | HTT-Bird | which one? |
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| 01:00.08 | Hajuu | Hi all |
| 01:00.10 | Hajuu | does anyone know how if theres a system variable for how many sockets can be open at once? |
| 01:00.24 | Hajuu | I seem to remember one but can't remember it for the life of me |
| 01:00.27 | abrotman | there's a link in it |
| 01:00.44 | epsilon | nm |
| 01:01.37 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, the wiki.debian.org page on wl? |
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| 01:02.08 | HTT-Bird | or are you referring to its counterpart on bcm43xx (which is immutable)? |
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| 01:02.49 | abrotman | i guess? |
| 01:02.59 | abrotman | can't change it? .. hrm ... |
| 01:03.05 | abrotman | i think you have to have a username and then login |
| 01:03.43 | HTT-Bird | ah :p |
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| 01:04.49 | Hajuu | oh well, thanks anyway |
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| 02:03.54 | project2501a | quiet night |
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| 02:12.28 | yardleydobon | gcalctool is missing buttons and text on some buttons. see this pic: http://jethomson.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/gcalctool_sci.png |
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| 02:13.39 | gh0st3r | trying to setup SNMP... here is the relevant info: http://pastebin.com/VRvjt3HB |
| 02:13.46 | gh0st3r | I can't work out wht the hell its not working though |
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| 02:14.55 | yardleydobon | No idea why it looks like that. I don't think it's a bug, but that something is misconfigured. Any ideas? |
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| 02:20.35 | abrotman | locales or fonts most likely |
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| 02:24.04 | meets | hi |
| 02:24.35 | meets | small question: suppose, I want to download imagemajik (through apt-get) |
| 02:25.04 | meets | notice I got the name wrong (misspelled it). what would be your approach to getting it downloaded the fastest way possible? |
| 02:25.13 | meets | apt-cache search imagemagik |
| 02:25.20 | meets | yields zero results |
| 02:25.36 | meets | what would you do here? is googling to get the proper spelling indeed the last resort? |
| 02:26.09 | meets | I ask, because I see people use *only* command line to apt-get download stuff |
| 02:26.23 | meets | and I'm curious how they always fare with the task |
| 02:26.23 | beardy | In whichever way you see fit get the packagename spelled correctly, yes. It's "imagemagick". |
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| 02:27.29 | beardy | meets: Use aptitude, an incremental search in "imagemag" would have pointed you right. |
| 02:28.18 | meets | pardon my ignorance here -- what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 02:28.34 | gh0st3r | meets, nothing ones just an alias for the other |
| 02:28.35 | beardy | meets: Or even 'aptitude search imagema' as that searches package names, 'apt-cache search' searches package descriptions. |
| 02:28.51 | beardy | gh0st3r: That's not true. |
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| 02:30.00 | beardy | meets: aptitude is the recommended tool for package management, it solves dependecyproblems better, it has an interctive interface, as well as with apt-get, compatible command line options. |
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| 02:30.48 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 02:30.48 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 02:31.30 | beardy | Ask dpkg in a /msg about those other factoids. |
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| 02:34.18 | peterrooney | meets: activate bash_completion for cases of uncertain spelling |
| 02:34.32 | meets | how would I do that? :s |
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| 02:35.03 | peterrooney | meets: add to your .profile or .bashrc: |
| 02:35.10 | peterrooney | . /etc/bash_completiion |
| 02:35.15 | meets | oh cool, I can use bash wildcards with the aptitude search thingy - that helps |
| 02:36.02 | yardleydobon | My locales are C, en_US.utf8, POSIX. How can I find which font is missing? |
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| 02:36.55 | meets | peterrooney, got it. While I'm at it, here's another question: I want to turn off the annoying beep (I can do it with 'xset b off' - but it gets back on each time I restart the computer). adding 'xset b off' to .bashrc or .profile will permanently turn it off, right? |
| 02:37.12 | beardy | !beep |
| 02:37.12 | dpkg | hmm... beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
| 02:37.19 | beardy | !bell |
| 02:37.19 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
| 02:37.41 | beardy | meets: Anyway.. yes. |
| 02:38.18 | meets | yes -- so, I'm safe to add 'xset b off' in *either* .profile or .bashrc? is it better to put it in one and not the other? |
| 02:39.44 | beardy | meets: Better to include .bashrc in .profile, and set your things in .bashrc, to be used for all terminals, login shells and xterms. |
| 02:40.19 | meets | wait, better to include .bashrc IN .profile? Sorry, I don't follow... |
| 02:40.31 | meets | how do I put .bashrc in .profile? |
| 02:40.51 | beardy | meets: Look in .profile, there is already a commented out section to do just that. |
| 02:40.57 | meets | ah, ok. |
| 02:43.04 | madi | Hi all, i have a problem with flashplugin-nonfree in debian squeeze: Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (1:2.8.1) ... ERROR: 64 bit player temporarily not supported |
| 02:43.05 | beardy | Maybe not even commented out nowadays. |
| 02:43.10 | meets | ok... so it seems to be already included. I'm add all this stuff to .bachrc it looks like |
| 02:43.19 | beardy | meets: Yep. |
| 02:43.31 | meets | adding* ok, getting right on it. thanks |
| 02:44.32 | abrotman | madi: right .. there's no 64bit flash anymore |
| 02:44.37 | abrotman | !tell madi about adobe flash |
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| 02:44.53 | rares | madi - get the one debian-multimedia.org - flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 02:46.43 | madi | abrotman, rares thanks, i'll try the workaround on the wiki |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | don't use the DMM one .. |
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| 02:47.47 | rares | what's the deal with the dmm one? |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | if it's actually 64bit, it's out of date and very insecure |
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| 02:48.13 | rares | it is 64bit |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | there's a reason adobe stopped offereing it |
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| 02:52.46 | bilderbergs | why debian ? |
| 02:53.14 | beardy | !tell bilderbergs -about why debian |
| 02:53.19 | bilderbergs | last time i tried couldnt get wirless to work , i got wusb54gc was runnin lenny with kde |
| 02:53.49 | rares | because debian has had the necessary tools before most of the others |
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| 03:32.09 | ultron | when i cp or mv a file.... is there a limit size for the file... im trying to mv a 7gb file...and when it reaches 4gb sends me an error |
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| 03:32.31 | ultron | is there a way to see what type of error is displaying... cause doesnt show me anything |
| 03:33.11 | jv | ultron: the tools don't have a limit, but the underlying filesystem might |
| 03:33.56 | ultron | hmmm well the thing is im trying to move it from a ext3 fs to a fat32 fs |
| 03:34.09 | yardleydobon | sounds like you are moving to FAT |
| 03:34.16 | ultron | yardleydobon: indeed |
| 03:34.25 | yardleydobon | FAT has a limit of 4GB |
| 03:34.51 | ultron | hmm there it is.... u.u |
| 03:35.34 | ultron | is there any fix for that? |
| 03:36.01 | yardleydobon | use a different filesystem. probably ntfs is the best bet. |
| 03:36.11 | yardleydobon | with portability in mind |
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| 03:36.47 | ultron | mmm thx |
| 03:37.03 | yardleydobon | or split the file |
| 03:38.29 | Bushmills | FAT from the time of (tm) Bill Gates: "Nobody will ever need more than 640 KiB of RAM" |
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| 03:39.02 | yardleydobon | i think one more person just got added to the list of people that wish it would die already. |
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| 03:41.23 | yardleydobon | ultron: I think you should also know that sometimes restrictions can be placed on an account limiting it's maximum filesize, but that is an enforced quota, not a limitation of the filesystem. |
| 03:43.38 | not-me | can anyone help with sendmail? specifically an error stat=Operating system error |
| 03:43.39 | not-me | ? |
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| 03:43.47 | debulante | any reason why kdm is no longer customizable in kde testing? |
| 03:45.06 | gnufun | What is the best way to request that this fix for poppler: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/commit/?id=8c6aefb8aa8929b9c47791d3062ed3ac8512626f is included in the now frozen Squeeze when it is officially released as stable? (I need it to properly view the pdf's we use at work) |
| 03:45.10 | ultron | well.... im copying to a ntfs ... will see how turns out |
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| 03:49.50 | ultron | a |
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| 03:50.57 | iuri | Hi there, i just plugged a motorola motonav TN5000 on my box via USB how would i access it in order to format it and install debian there? |
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| 04:11.09 | yardleydobon | Why does apt-get autoremove sometimes remove packages that are needed? |
| 04:11.38 | iuri | Hi there, i just plugged a motorola motonav TN5000 on my box via USB how would i access it in order to format it and install debian there? |
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| 04:14.28 | peterrooney | yardleydobon: look into deborphan. aside from dependencies, "needed" is in the eye of the beholder. |
| 04:14.53 | peterrooney | !deborphan |
| 04:14.53 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of HDD. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
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| 04:19.01 | yardleydobon | Thanks. When I upgraded from lenny to testing I autoremoved gdm! ThatI just don't trust autoremove anymore |
| 04:19.11 | yardleydobon | That was the second time I was bitten. |
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| 04:20.42 | yardleydobon | autoremove is also why my calculator is screwed up. |
| 04:20.49 | innociv | What do I do about monit using init.d to start a daemon, but that init.d requiring sudo to start it? |
| 04:20.54 | swoody | yardleydobon: on versions besides stable I think you really should keep an eye on what auto-remove and deborphan want to remove... |
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| 04:21.21 | swoody | if a package isn't required (or a dep) of another package, it can be "safely" removed... |
| 04:22.16 | swoody | so if something in testing or unstable isn't up-to-date with gdm (or another important package) it may find itself on the 'To-be-removed' list :/ |
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| 04:25.29 | tehrabbitt-1 | quick question, how can I determine which network interface is which card? I have a fiber card but i'm not sure if it's eth0, 1, 2, or 3 |
| 04:26.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | is there any specific way to determine which card is set to each "eth" interface? |
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| 04:28.08 | yardleydobon | Differentiate the cards by MAC address. |
| 04:29.01 | tehrabbitt-1 | yardleydobon: so just run lspci copy down each MAC then run ifconfig -a and match them that way? (donno why I didnt' think of that before lol) |
| 04:29.17 | ultron | how about dmesg |
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| 04:30.10 | tehrabbitt-1 | hm lspci didn't work the way i wanted it to lol |
| 04:30.15 | tehrabbitt-1 | dmesg doesn't show the fiber card :-\ |
| 04:30.16 | ultron | something like... dmesg | grep eth |
| 04:30.25 | tehrabbitt-1 | yea it just returns eth0 since it's the only configured card |
| 04:30.33 | ultron | ooooo u.u |
| 04:30.37 | tehrabbitt-1 | and eth1 since i manually configured that one afterwards 0_o |
| 04:30.52 | tehrabbitt-1 | so eth2 or eth3 is the fiber card, and the other is a netgear gigabit copper card |
| 04:30.59 | swoody | tehrabbitt-1: is it a USB device? Try lsusb? |
| 04:31.09 | tehrabbitt-1 | swoody: PCI device |
| 04:31.14 | swoody | gotcha |
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| 04:31.59 | tehrabbitt-1 | 03:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82543GC Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Fiber) (rev 02) |
| 04:32.24 | tehrabbitt-1 | can't figure out how to get the MAC though |
| 04:32.46 | peterrooney | also, look into /etc/ethers |
| 04:32.52 | yardleydobon | Isn't HWaddr the MAC address? |
| 04:33.18 | swoody | tehrabbitt-1: could do a bit of a 'messy' method... |
| 04:33.35 | swoody | ifconfig xxx down until your device goes down ;) |
| 04:33.43 | tehrabbitt-1 | peterrooney: no such thing as /etc/ethers :-\ |
| 04:33.51 | tehrabbitt-1 | swoody: no physical access to the machine :-\ |
| 04:33.52 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol |
| 04:34.18 | tehrabbitt-1 | yardleydobon: how would I find HWaddr though? |
| 04:34.28 | swoody | tehrabbitt-1: it should be in ifconfig |
| 04:34.35 | yardleydobon | ifconfig shows HWaddr |
| 04:34.47 | tehrabbitt-1 | Well yes, i know that much, but i'm sayign how can I match the HWaddr to the device? |
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| 04:36.33 | civillian | tehrabbitt-1, dmesg should show the card and it's mac |
| 04:36.46 | yardleydobon | Well couldn't you physically disconnect all but one? |
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| 04:37.14 | swoody | **There can be only ONE** >:D |
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| 04:38.30 | civillian | dmesg | grep eth[0-9] |
| 04:38.48 | yardleydobon | Also your router could tell you the MAC of the device attached to it. |
| 04:39.07 | tehrabbitt-1 | civillian: I was just trying dmesg |grep eth0-9 but sadly I can't figure out which is which since 2 of them say "connection down" |
| 04:39.12 | tehrabbitt-1 | and dont' even display the MAC |
| 04:39.42 | civillian | perhaps match the IRQ between lspci and ifconfig |
| 04:39.53 | civillian | if lspci has IRQs... |
| 04:39.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | yardleydobon: yhm didn't think of that |
| 04:39.56 | civillian | *checks* |
| 04:41.15 | civillian | lspci -v has the info |
| 04:41.15 | tehrabbitt-1 | Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 72 |
| 04:41.30 | tehrabbitt-1 | IRQ is 72... so just run ifconfig and match it that way? |
| 04:41.40 | civillian | yeah try ifconfig -a |
| 04:41.53 | tehrabbitt-1 | no IRQs listed |
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| 04:42.02 | sammynguyen | hi |
| 04:42.32 | civillian | tehrabbitt-1, under 'RX bytes' the next line says 'Interrupt' |
| 04:43.21 | tehrabbitt-1 | hm i dont see 72 though in the list :-\ |
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| 04:44.02 | tehrabbitt-1 | hmph it's eth2 which is showing that it's down, (even though it can be pinged and connected to...) |
| 04:44.19 | tehrabbitt-1 | dmesg shows eth0 pointing to eth2 for some reason too :-\ |
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| 04:44.41 | civillian | pointing? |
| 04:45.12 | tehrabbitt-1 | civillian: yes idk how hold on i'll paste it |
| 04:45.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | [ 1.737030] udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth2 |
| 04:45.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | [29329.792342] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth2: link is not ready |
| 04:46.11 | tehrabbitt-1 | eth0 is 192.168.1.70 |
| 04:46.17 | tehrabbitt-1 | eth2 is 192.168.1.80 |
| 04:46.21 | tehrabbitt-1 | and I can connect to both :-\ |
| 04:46.31 | tehrabbitt-1 | yet it's showing eth2 as "down" |
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| 04:48.17 | civillian | why is it like that? |
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| 04:49.44 | tehrabbitt-1 | idk :-\ |
| 04:49.49 | tehrabbitt-1 | i'm honestly not sure |
| 04:49.56 | civillian | what is this box doing? |
| 04:50.40 | tehrabbitt-1 | well, it was originally a replacement for my old file storage server, but then after I realized how much power it had I made it into a Asterisk, Samba, and Apache test server in one lol |
| 04:51.08 | tehrabbitt-1 | it has 3 copper gigabit cards (gonna be taking one out) and one fiber gigabit card |
| 04:51.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | I was going to make the fiber card (if I can ever get it working) into the primary card for asterisk, and set one of the copper gigabit cards for samba, and the other for apache |
| 04:52.18 | tehrabbitt-1 | (sadly I don't have a gigabit switch, it just has a gigabit uplink for fiber that I am trying to conenct to) |
| 04:53.00 | civillian | perhaps check out /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 04:53.13 | civillian | see if there's anything relating to eth0 etc |
| 04:53.24 | civillian | if it's not needed, remove the alias or whatever it is |
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| 04:55.48 | yardleydobon | Are you sure you're connecting to eth2? IIRC a long while back when I was setting up my wireless card I could connect to eth0 IP address though the wireless card even though eth0 was down, or something like that. It was confusing and a PITA. |
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| 05:17.41 | BiGViC | Hey what's up |
| 05:18.12 | BiGViC | any recomendations for a good capture program? To record stuff of my capture card...? |
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| 05:18.32 | nsadmin | you want to capture the goods? |
| 05:18.44 | BiGViC | yes -_- |
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| 05:34.18 | pav5088 | How do I tell when a package in Sid will fall through to testing? The package I'm interested in has a changelog date of Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:00:29 +0200 |
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| 05:35.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got a question.. |
| 05:36.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | would it be better to make backups of my systems with dar or tar? |
| 05:37.05 | pav5088 | Eryn_1983_FL, short answer - depends :) |
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| 05:37.55 | pav5088 | What's your usage scenario? |
| 05:38.57 | BiGViC | Hmm so no good capture programs :-\ |
| 05:39.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | nightly backups to a hardrive, |
| 05:39.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'm backup live data that may change. |
| 05:40.19 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: have you considered a rsync-based backup tool? |
| 05:40.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i like the versioning of dar, but i am concerned the dscript i am using is too complex to expan upon |
| 05:40.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am not instal rsync |
| 05:40.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | into.. |
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| 05:42.17 | Arrowmaster | pav5088: testing is currently frozen |
| 05:43.05 | pav5088 | Well, dar is more reliable when compressing files because it compresses on a file by file basis... but tar would get better compression (I would imagine) because it doesn't. |
| 05:43.44 | pav5088 | More people know how to deal with tar archives, but for a personal backup situation this wouldn't be a worry. |
| 05:44.05 | pav5088 | I'm not really aware of any other differences. |
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| 05:44.26 | pav5088 | Have you considered using a user friendly tool such as bacuppc? |
| 05:44.32 | pav5088 | backuppc |
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| 05:45.15 | tehrabbitt-1 | Arrowmaster: why is testing frozen? |
| 05:45.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | these are headless servers |
| 05:45.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | better off using cli stuff |
| 05:45.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think dar would be ok for now. |
| 05:45.40 | Arrowmaster | tehrabbitt-1: so RC bugs can be fixed and a new stable can be released |
| 05:45.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks for input |
| 05:45.45 | pav5088 | Eryn_1983_FL, backuppc is web based |
| 05:45.48 | yardleydobon | Because it wants to be reanimated in the year 2525. |
| 05:46.11 | tehrabbitt-1 | Arrowmaster: so testing is almost ready for stable already? 0_o that was pretty quick lol... |
| 05:46.28 | Arrowmaster | far from it |
| 05:46.34 | tehrabbitt-1 | it feels like just yesterday etch went stable |
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| 05:46.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | i'm guessing it's going to be in RC status for quite a while? |
| 05:47.08 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 05:47.21 | yardleydobon | Is Squeeze the alien? |
| 05:47.25 | tehrabbitt-1 | alien? |
| 05:47.28 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 05:47.35 | yardleydobon | from Toy Story |
| 05:47.40 | tehrabbitt-1 | LOL got it |
| 05:47.43 | Arrowmaster | !squeeze |
| 05:47.43 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 05:48.00 | yardleydobon | My nephew could name all the marvel comic heros but not the Toy Story characters. |
| 05:48.01 | tehrabbitt-1 | now it all makes sence.... "Etch, Squeeze, SID...." |
| 05:48.02 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol |
| 05:48.06 | tehrabbitt-1 | sense* |
| 05:48.08 | yardleydobon | I couldn't either |
| 05:48.24 | tehrabbitt-1 | i feel dumb now that it's taken me this long to see the pattern 0_o |
| 05:48.34 | yardleydobon | But I was thinking that the aliens were squeeze toys. |
| 05:48.58 | tehrabbitt-1 | yardleydobon: they are squeeze toys lol |
| 05:49.04 | Arrowmaster | we need a boot screen that would totally not be approved by disney, a claw and a few squeezes |
| 05:49.15 | yardleydobon | I'd have never have figured it out if I hadn't read it somewhere. |
| 05:49.20 | tehrabbitt-1 | hahaha damn that would be nice :-p |
| 05:49.34 | tehrabbitt-1 | i've sadly never made my own boot screen |
| 05:50.01 | yardleydobon | I would really like to get a sticker of the character to cover my laptops Dell logo for every new release. |
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| 05:50.20 | Arrowmaster | !lenny |
| 05:50.21 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.5>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 05:50.28 | yardleydobon | Hmm does Pixar use debian? |
| 05:50.43 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol well now that they're up to Toy Story 3 there's plenty of charicters for future releases lol |
| 05:50.49 | tehrabbitt-1 | I can see it now "Debian Prickle" |
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| 05:51.08 | machrider | i installed debian from an etch netinst ISO and it magically made itself 5.0.5 (lenny). can i force it to downgrade to etch or am i screwed now? |
| 05:51.53 | Arrowmaster | do you really need etch? |
| 05:52.08 | machrider | yes, this box is intended to build binaries that are compatible with older linux systems |
| 05:52.23 | machrider | (older glibc, etc.) |
| 05:53.02 | tehrabbitt-1 | download full cds? |
| 05:53.34 | Arrowmaster | ,versions libc6 |
| 05:53.37 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
| 05:54.14 | Arrowmaster | well i think you can do it with the netinst but it would require stoping before installing the system and editing the sources.list file to point to etch instead of stable |
| 05:54.37 | machrider | ok, both options are reinstalls. is that the only way? |
| 05:54.41 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 05:54.46 | machrider | bummer. thanks. |
| 05:54.47 | tehrabbitt-1 | yep |
| 05:54.51 | Arrowmaster | downgrading libc is a bad idea |
| 05:54.59 | tehrabbitt-1 | breaks things :-\ |
| 05:55.07 | tehrabbitt-1 | found that out the hard way once lol |
| 05:55.10 | Arrowmaster | trust me from experience, i borked this system and got really really lucky fixing it quickly |
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| 05:55.51 | Arrowmaster | i would not have been able to reboot most likely, since i didnt have libc6 installed at all at the time |
| 05:56.54 | tehrabbitt-1 | Arrowmaster: did that a long time ago and ended up just reinstalling... it was when I was still rather new to how APT worked |
| 05:57.03 | tehrabbitt-1 | (and linux for that matter) |
| 05:57.34 | Arrowmaster | i just quickly droped libc6 in /usr/local then was able to run aptitude again to reinstall it properly |
| 05:59.13 | tehrabbitt-1 | smart thinking |
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| 05:59.54 | machrider | wow, it seems like etch has gone down the memory hole. can't find a full ISO anywhere. |
| 06:01.03 | ChaozZBubi | is it common that people want to use the old stable? |
| 06:01.12 | Arrowmaster | not really |
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| 06:02.08 | Arrowmaster | machrider: see if you can still build it with jigdo |
| 06:03.52 | tehrabbitt-1 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 06:03.53 | tehrabbitt-1 | enjoy |
| 06:04.13 | tehrabbitt-1 | nvm :-\ |
| 06:04.36 | tehrabbitt-1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 06:04.38 | tehrabbitt-1 | taht will work |
| 06:04.39 | tehrabbitt-1 | :-D |
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| 06:05.24 | machrider | tehrabbitt-1: click 'amd64' under full CD/DVD sets |
| 06:05.36 | machrider | no full ISOs in there |
| 06:05.41 | tehrabbitt-1 | try torrent ;) |
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| 06:05.52 | tehrabbitt-1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 06:06.02 | Arrowmaster | machrider: use jigdo |
| 06:06.16 | tehrabbitt-1 | or what Arrowmaster said, jigdo... either way it should work |
| 06:06.19 | machrider | Arrowmaster: looking into jigdo now |
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| 06:07.07 | tehrabbitt-1 | booo you can't download buzz (version 1.1) |
| 06:07.08 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol |
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| 06:08.06 | tehrabbitt-1 | this might help: http://archive.kernel.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
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| 06:08.39 | Arrowmaster | no cds there, just packages |
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| 06:09.19 | tehrabbitt-1 | oh |
| 06:09.20 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol |
| 06:09.33 | tehrabbitt-1 | at least when he sets the system up he has somewhere to point APT to sources |
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| 06:10.03 | machrider | haha, i also found http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 06:10.04 | machrider | for sources |
| 06:10.31 | Arrowmaster | well for now you should just be able to change the stable in sources.list to oldstable or etch |
| 06:10.48 | Arrowmaster | etch prefered |
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| 06:11.50 | tehrabbitt-1 | hm didnt' know taht |
| 06:11.51 | tehrabbitt-1 | that* |
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| 06:13.39 | tehrabbitt-1 | I wonder what the next build is gonna be called after squeeze |
| 06:14.11 | tehrabbitt-1 | and stupid question, why do people actually run SID? is it strictly for development purposes or do people actually *use* it heh |
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| 06:14.58 | tehrabbitt-1 | oh and for that bootscreen... heres a perfect one: http://lacasadetux.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/squeeze.png?w=432&h=454 |
| 06:15.36 | peterrooney | people run sid to keep their troubleshooting chops in top form. |
| 06:16.33 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol so basically just to "live on the edge" really? |
| 06:16.33 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol |
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| 06:16.58 | Arrowmaster | i always run testing |
| 06:17.03 | Arrowmaster | or a testing/sid mix |
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| 06:17.41 | tehrabbitt-1 | hmph i've always stuck to testing, I never really got into SID after libeta screwed everything up when it was first introduced |
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| 06:17.47 | Arrowmaster | (note its safe to mix testing and sid if you know what you are doing but it is never safe to mix binaries from other releases) |
| 06:18.02 | machrider | Arrowmaster: i'm going to try the netinst route again, do you happen to know when I should intercede and edit the sources? |
| 06:18.20 | tehrabbitt-1 | yea, I upgraded to SID, not realizing it changed alot of how drives were recognized, etc, and I couldn't boot my system, at all |
| 06:18.24 | Arrowmaster | machrider: right after it asks you to select the mirror probably |
| 06:18.46 | machrider | thanks |
| 06:19.28 | Arrowmaster | i never installed etch so im not sure exactly but i did something like that with lenny's installer once |
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| 06:20.33 | Arrowmaster | i had this fun little session of mixing installers due to trying to install squeeze with a combination of fakeraid lvm and ext4 |
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| 06:21.05 | Arrowmaster | where just picking ext4 make the installer force usage of grub2 but grub2 didnt support fakeraid |
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| 06:21.33 | machrider | that's always fun. i think i had similar issues with the grub2 switch and an encrypted fs |
| 06:22.02 | Arrowmaster | im no longer using the fakeraid but ive still yet to switch to grub2 |
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| 06:28.23 | nanomachine | dpkg is segfaulting each time apt is used |
| 06:28.23 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, nanomachine |
| 06:28.57 | nanomachine | dpkg Segmentation fault |
| 06:28.58 | dpkg | methinks segmentation fault is when the program takes a shit on you |
| 06:29.37 | nanomachine | dpkg exit status 139 |
| 06:29.37 | dpkg | nanomachine: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 06:30.57 | nanomachine | system fucked |
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| 06:32.24 | machrider | Arrowmaster: switching to etch seemed to perform an extremely minimal install. but that's ok, hopefully when it boots up i'll figure out how to install everything else i need. |
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| 06:34.52 | machrider | nope, can't find packages :) i'll have to use the snapshot source after all. |
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| 06:35.31 | DannyButterman | Hi there |
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| 06:37.58 | flaccid | can someone point me in the direction of tools to mainly look in a debian package so I can like at its contents include the source of scripts like postrm etc.? |
| 06:38.11 | flaccid | i'm also usually on osx most of the time |
| 06:38.49 | flaccid | like=look |
| 06:39.00 | Arrowmaster | flaccid: a .deb is just a tar file |
| 06:39.09 | DannyButterman | I use Debian Lenny as a mail server, and I would like some help because since my router has been changed for a DFL-210, enabling smtp forwarding on it made my mail server a spam server (open relay). It's because the router doesn't forward the real emitter for the mails, but instead its own local address which is allowed to send mail because it's inside the local network). Can some one help me on this one ? |
| 06:39.11 | flaccid | Arrowmaster: nothing further? |
| 06:39.26 | cahoot | flaccid: ar x some.deb IIRC |
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| 06:39.31 | n0ta | I'm currently logged in as mysql root (ssh) how do i change password for datatase test? |
| 06:39.42 | Arrowmaster | flaccid: dont think so, might be a .tar.gz but i dont think so |
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| 06:40.05 | flaccid | n0ta: its in the mysql doc |
| 06:40.12 | flaccid | cahoot: sorry i don't understand |
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| 06:40.50 | opteek | I'm having real difficulty getting my desktop to stretch across my two monitors. I've tried editying the xorg file every which way that the wiki says and another one too, but just clones them. Could someone pls take a look and see what I'm missing? |
| 06:40.52 | cahoot | flaccid: I think it's unarchived by: ar x some.deb |
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| 06:41.22 | flaccid | cahoot: oh right the ar binary, thanks |
| 06:42.05 | srart | 2 fairly simple questions, one does anybody have the amd64 flash installer since adobe took it down? |
| 06:42.27 | srart | two, how do I get exim not to try and send email to root out of the system? |
| 06:43.30 | n0ta | flaccid can really find it :( can you help me quick? |
| 06:43.31 | peterrooney | srart: dpkg-reconfigure exim (and exim's friends) |
| 06:43.50 | flaccid | n0ta: for real? never used google? |
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| 06:44.29 | Arrowmaster | srart: there is a workaround posted on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 06:44.37 | srart | peterrooney: yeah, that part I got, it's the specifics I'm not sure of. I thought I had it, but I still get bounces for system logging stuff that is supposed to go to root. |
| 06:44.38 | flaccid | n0ta: i found this with the most basic google search, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/set-password.html |
| 06:44.39 | n0ta | sure.... just googled "mysql ssh change database password" but i only get posts on changing mysql root info |
| 06:44.42 | n0ta | not a single database |
| 06:44.50 | Arrowmaster | srart: you do not want to use the old version of the 64bit plugin since it has known security issues |
| 06:44.57 | flaccid | n0ta: the password is on a user, not a database. |
| 06:45.34 | srart | Arrowmaster: the workaround doesn't work for me (using Opera) so I actually need the 64 bit version. Had it working with no sound, pulled it out trying other things, then found out that Adobe pulled it. |
| 06:45.57 | cahoot | opteek: If you plan to use multiple outputs displaying different zones, you should configure your xorg.conf by adding a Virtual line to subsection Display in the Screen section. |
| 06:46.15 | cahoot | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 06:46.38 | srart | I'm not worried about the security, the only thing I use it for is my own camera. |
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| 06:46.54 | n0ta | flaccid the link you gave me, is that for SSH? |
| 06:47.12 | flaccid | n0ta: no, ssh has nothing to do withy mysql |
| 06:47.37 | n0ta | well sure i know, but like i said i'm currently logged in ssh, on the root mysql user |
| 06:48.12 | flaccid | n0ta: thats ssh. i suggest you go learn how to use mysql i.e. how to issue a query with the mysql command |
| 06:49.11 | peterrooney | srart: perhaps it's not exim, but a syslog misconfiguration? |
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| 06:51.28 | flaccid | ok so yes a .deb is certainly a .tar and it contains a couple of .tar.gz, thanks for the help guys |
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| 06:52.01 | dondelelcaro | flaccid: no, it's an ar archive |
| 06:52.13 | dondelelcaro | flaccid: man 5 deb; for details |
| 06:52.31 | flaccid | dondelelcaro: oh right. well tar xvf worked on it. tar must support ar as well.. |
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| 07:02.53 | lyakh | after an upgrade to squeeze (from etch) - what's that constantly poking at my hard-drive (short noise every couple of seconds)? |
| 07:04.27 | jpinx-eeepc | lyakh: Did you go etch - lenny - squeeze ? |
| 07:05.30 | lyakh | jpinx-eeepc: no, that's a fresh install, just wanted to mention, that I didn't observe that under etch, although, can be, that it was there in the beginning and later I disabled something... |
| 07:05.52 | jpinx-eeepc | lyakh: ok - so the reference to etch is a red herring? |
| 07:06.11 | jpinx-eeepc | lyakh: is there anything in dmesg or syslog to tell you? |
| 07:06.12 | lyakh | jpinx-eeepc: that's just for comparison, yes |
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| 07:06.31 | dondelelcaro | lyakh: if you want to know, run iotop or similar |
| 07:07.29 | fishcooker | is there any tool on linux or on the web that cek website vulnerability |
| 07:07.35 | lyakh | jpinx-eeepc: nothing in logs |
| 07:08.26 | jpinx-eeepc | installs iotop to see what it does |
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| 07:09.32 | jpinx-eeepc | lyakh: iotop tells me a lot here - follow dondelelcaro s advice |
| 07:09.40 | lyakh | dondelelcaro: ok, iotop is a good hint, thanks, but will have to enable it in my kernel first |
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| 07:10.57 | p3rror | hello |
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| 07:11.16 | p3rror | please can you tell how to setup firefox java plugin run correctly |
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| 07:12.17 | lyakh | jpinx-eeepc: if yours is more or less a standard config and you here similar noises - maybe you can tell me what is hitting your disk(s)? |
| 07:12.32 | p3rror | I've install jre and i've created a link to libjavaplugin in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins |
| 07:12.34 | BiGViC | Hmm I didn't think analog capture would be difficult... :-\ |
| 07:12.40 | p3rror | and that still not work |
| 07:12.48 | sabayonuser2 | Ok, Ive been trying to use xrandr to get a stretched desktop across two displays but whenever I run the command to do it, I get that my screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920. I have Virtual 3360 1080 in my xorg.conf in the Display Subsection of Screen so I dont know why its getting that max ? |
| 07:13.06 | jpinx-eeepc | lyakh: SSD's don't click :) I am running lenny |
| 07:13.16 | sabayonuser2 | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 07:13.29 | opteek | Ok, Ive been trying to use xrandr to get a stretched desktop across two displays but whenever I run the command to do it, I get that my screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920. I have Virtual 3360 1080 in my xorg.conf in the Display Subsection of Screen so I dont know why its getting that max ? |
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| 07:13.34 | lyakh | jpinx-eeepc: resp. they are harder to hear;) ok, nm, thanks |
| 07:14.34 | jelly-home | sabayonuser2: which debian release are you using? pastebin the output of "xrandr", "dpkg -l x11-xserver-utils xserver-xorg-core libc6", your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log files. |
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| 07:15.14 | opteek | ok one sec |
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| 07:18.18 | opteek | http://pastebin.com/4PTf88d0 xorg.conf |
| 07:18.19 | opteek | http://pastebin.com/uA8bTwVC xorg.log |
| 07:18.19 | opteek | http://pastebin.com/7wnp34kH xrandr |
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| 07:19.51 | jelly-home | opteek: also, the exact command you used that failed, and the package versions please. |
| 07:21.03 | jelly-home | opteek: if you're not running Debian, ask in #xorg |
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| 07:25.37 | jelly-home | opteek: your original nickname and your Xorg log strongly suggest you're running "sabayon" and not Debian, which means this is not the right channel to get tech support. |
| 07:26.14 | opteek | thats great, why dont i go to the other channel where there is no activity |
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| 07:26.36 | AimHere | Because if they do condescend to talk to you, they might say something that applies to your OS? |
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| 07:27.27 | AimHere | Maybe we should just offer carefully-crafted Debian help designed to break Ubuntu/Knoppix/Sabayon/whatever yet still work on Debian |
| 07:27.48 | jelly-home | opteek: well, you can also reproduce your issue with package versions from Debian so we know it applies here as well... oh you left. Oh well! |
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| 07:28.32 | jpinx-eeepc | !next |
| 07:28.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 07:28.43 | jelly-home | dunno, I usually get decent help from #xorg |
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| 07:29.33 | rkhshm | are package related queries appropirate to be asked here? |
| 07:32.57 | macrobat | rkhshm: you mean like making your own pkg? |
| 07:35.49 | jelly-home | rkhshm: ask the question and if there's a more appropriate place hopefully someone will point you there |
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| 08:04.42 | innociv | wtf |
| 08:04.48 | innociv | usr/bin/apache/logs is using 100% cpu |
| 08:05.29 | innociv | I dont even user apache |
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| 08:08.18 | jelly-home | innociv: there is no /usr/bin/apache/logs file in Debian. |
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| 08:08.25 | innociv | yeah.. |
| 08:08.26 | Infin1ty | there's an upgrade for the kernel, where can i see the changelog? it looks as there was no changelog since 2009,what's wrong here? |
| 08:08.30 | innociv | Wtf was it then? |
| 08:08.39 | jelly-home | innociv: that's for you to find out |
| 08:08.41 | innociv | I look in the folder and see nothing. |
| 08:08.46 | innociv | It was using 100% of cpu. |
| 08:08.50 | Infin1ty | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-latest-2.6_17+lenny1/changelog |
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| 08:08.51 | innociv | How do I find out? :( |
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| 08:10.27 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: look at the changelog of the package linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 08:10.50 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, i can't find that changelog |
| 08:11.00 | jelly-home | innociv: you could use strace and lsof on the process while it's still running |
| 08:11.15 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 , that's the link i gave you |
| 08:11.16 | innociv | I already killled it :( |
| 08:11.58 | innociv | ty though |
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| 08:12.15 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 works for me |
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| 08:13.10 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, really? |
| 08:13.12 | jelly-home | innociv: likely you linked the changelog for a metapackage like linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 08:13.26 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/qMZR3geZ |
| 08:13.52 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: aptitude update? |
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| 08:14.11 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, erm, sec, i did apt-get update, i guess it's not the same, can't i see it from apt-get? |
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| 08:15.08 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, as i suspected, still not working |
| 08:15.19 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: ah. Right, it _doesn't_ work after an update ;-) |
| 08:15.37 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, i never thought it will happen in debian |
| 08:16.00 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: you can get the changelog form the package itself, eh |
| 08:16.17 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, yes, why would i want to do this? download the package, extract it, just for the changelog? |
| 08:16.22 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, looks weird to me |
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| 08:16.31 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: presumably you're going to install it anyway |
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| 08:16.44 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, why do you think so? if there isnt any important update, then no |
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| 08:17.29 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: well, there are _only_ important updates in stable |
| 08:18.11 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, yes, but before i upgrade all of my servers (around 100) i'm not going to upgrade a package without knowing what's new |
| 08:18.15 | alcohol | morning people |
| 08:18.17 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, i think it shouldn't happen like this |
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| 08:18.39 | jelly-home | Infin1ty: apt-listchanges extracts the changelogs after download and gives you an option to stop an upgrade. |
| 08:19.09 | Infin1ty | jelly-home, never mind, i will ofcourse do it, but it's annoying this happens in debian. |
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| 08:26.56 | alcohol | ugh. frickin 3ware controller. |
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| 08:40.11 | kale | when i run ffmpeg i get "Unknown encoder 'mpeg2video'", i use ffmpeg from "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main non-free" |
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| 08:41.35 | babilen | kale: What is the output of "ffmpeg -format|grep mpeg2video" (just the last line) and "apt-cache policy ffmpeg" ? |
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| 08:43.13 | kale | D VSDT mpeg2video |
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| 08:43.22 | kale | and the line above: E mpeg2video MPEG2 video |
| 08:44.04 | kale | would you like entire output of apt-cache policy? |
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| 08:49.37 | Blackhold | hi, I have just updated and I see strange thing on grub.cfg file. What does it mean? -> set root='(hd0,msdos1)' |
| 08:49.49 | Blackhold | msdos1? what is this fucking shit? lol |
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| 08:52.39 | idimmu | pastebin the entire file ? |
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| 08:53.12 | Blackhold | wait |
| 08:53.29 | idimmu | im HOLDIG ON :) |
| 08:53.46 | idimmu | tho i have a meeting in 7 mins |
| 08:54.01 | Blackhold | http://pad.marsupi.org/2Gg5dcOQlV |
| 08:54.18 | Blackhold | this is not a pastebin, this is better :D |
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| 08:55.20 | Blackhold | it usually has hd0,1 |
| 08:55.33 | Blackhold | in the last update, I did not update the kernel |
| 08:55.44 | Blackhold | and I had to enter to machine and fix the file |
| 08:56.00 | Blackhold | now I have a new kernel and takes this config |
| 08:56.14 | idimmu | hmm |
| 08:56.16 | Blackhold | but I don't like to se something that remembers to microsoft in my sistem |
| 08:56.19 | Blackhold | system* |
| 08:56.34 | idimmu | do you have a dos partition |
| 08:56.36 | Blackhold | I've been argued with ms systems |
| 08:56.38 | idimmu | or did you have a usb key in at the time ? |
| 08:56.39 | Blackhold | nope |
| 08:56.43 | Blackhold | nope |
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| 08:58.23 | Blackhold | I have to go |
| 08:58.42 | idimmu | shrugs :/ |
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| 08:59.12 | elbing | blackhold bug #589369 |
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| 09:06.35 | lxsys | hi, n00b here, trying to do debian netinst but hangs at MP BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC, should I be using any special kernel parameters? |
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| 09:09.36 | SammyTheSnake | Morning, all, I'm trying to do my daily package updates using aptitude full-upgrade and it's saying "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded." How do I find out what those two packages "not upgraded" are and why they're not upgraded? |
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| 09:13.15 | Compiler101 | When i "make install", how do i capture the install files into an empty folder? |
| 09:14.03 | alcohol | hey, can I rebuild a 3ware array while the server is in use? I noticed there are cli functions to remove a port that contains a degraded drive. then rescan for removed/added drives, and then rebuild. |
| 09:14.33 | DotHack | alcohol: you have to use the twcli tool |
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| 09:14.37 | alcohol | I have that |
| 09:15.05 | alcohol | I'm mostly interested in knowning whether or not I have to shut down the server or if I can do it on the fly sort of speak? |
| 09:15.19 | DotHack | alcohol: it can be done on the fly |
| 09:15.28 | Compiler101 | instead of 'make install' saving files to the root directory, i want them in a spare folder so i can package them in an installer archive. |
| 09:15.33 | DotHack | alcohol: but be carefull |
| 09:15.40 | lxsys | hmmm... I have to do acpi=off, does that mean that I'm not going to have a battery meter etc? |
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| 09:17.44 | SammyTheSnake | worked out an answer to his question, apt-get upgrade offered to upgrade the packages, so I just let it... still not sure why aptitude didn't want to, though... |
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| 09:20.46 | sivang | hi all |
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| 09:21.13 | sivang | does anybody have experience settin up rsyslog RELP forwarding with TLS encryption and certificate based access control? |
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| 09:25.10 | Blackhold | elbing: thnks |
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| 09:25.35 | Blackhold | I went breakfast :P |
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| 09:44.21 | tinytike | hah |
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| 09:56.34 | nsadmin | Compiler101 generally you would have a variable, you can name it what you want but it's usually called DESTDIR |
| 09:57.16 | nsadmin | you put it in the install target of the makefile, so that instead of installing in $prefix it installs in $destdir/$prefix |
| 09:58.37 | visof | mail -s "hello" mymail < message , doesn't send anything to my mail |
| 09:58.42 | visof | what is the wrong ? |
| 09:59.40 | dimir | tail -f /var/log/mail.log |
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| 09:59.47 | dimir | And send it again. |
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| 10:00.15 | visof | dimir, Connection timed out with alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. |
| 10:00.35 | visof | i can ping alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com |
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| 10:01.27 | dimir | visof: did you know sending through google requires authentication and stuff? |
| 10:01.55 | visof | dimir, no |
| 10:02.12 | dimir | visof: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287 |
| 10:02.52 | philthno2 | Hi, I have a problem with a 7" tft touchscreen: From the moment the kernel begins to load (some seconds after grub), the touchscreen only shows "out of range" and I am not able even to see console output. Can anyone give me a hint where to start searching? I pass no "vga=" - setting in with the grub kernel line. |
| 10:03.08 | visof | dimir, so i can't use mail with gmail ? |
| 10:03.13 | visof | yahoo, msn ? |
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| 10:03.39 | dimir | visof: you can, but you should follow their rules, see "Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS or SSL:" |
| 10:04.09 | ddraskovic | hi all. I have drwxrwsr-x 17 root staff 8192 2010-01-27 11:37 lib, but ~/sandbox/libftdi-0.18# /usr/bin/install -c src/.libs/libftdi.so.1.18.0 /usr/local/lib/libftdi.so.1.18.0 |
| 10:04.09 | ddraskovic | /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/lib/libftdi.so.1.18.0': Read-only file system |
| 10:04.19 | ddraskovic | How is this possible ? |
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| 10:05.52 | dimir | ddraskovic: cat /proc/mounts |
| 10:05.52 | nsadmin | it would be possible if your /, /usr or /usr/local partition is mounted read only |
| 10:06.06 | dimir | ddraskovic: and see if you have currently some partition mounted with 'ro' |
| 10:06.37 | dimir | ddraskovic: sometimes, when shit happens, kernel remounts (if enabled) partition that it thinks can get screwed 'ro'. |
| 10:06.49 | visof | dimir, how can i do that ? |
| 10:07.10 | dimir | visof: use perl |
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| 10:07.29 | visof | dimir, i can't use bash ? |
| 10:07.46 | dimir | I'm sure you can, but how long will it take? |
| 10:07.47 | nsadmin | do you like scripting in bash? |
| 10:08.01 | dimir | visof: I'll give you the perl script... |
| 10:08.09 | ddraskovic | /usr/local nfs rw,vers=3,rsize=65536,wsize=65536 |
| 10:08.14 | ddraskovic | etc |
| 10:08.42 | nsadmin | your /usr/local is an nfs share? |
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| 10:08.53 | ddraskovic | nsadmin, yes, I guess |
| 10:09.10 | dimir | visof: http://pastebin.com/NzKX0NPc |
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| 10:10.00 | nsadmin | ok so for some reason you don't know those details... is that because this is a special setup that someone else did? |
| 10:10.06 | visof | dimir, i can use it with any mail ? |
| 10:10.11 | visof | any domain i mean |
| 10:10.36 | dimir | visof: sure. Just make sure username and password are the ones from gewgewl. |
| 10:10.56 | dimir | visof: feel free to add that to the script args. |
| 10:10.58 | ddraskovic | nsadmin, yes |
| 10:11.07 | visof | dimir, ok, thanks man |
| 10:11.14 | dimir | visof: no problemo |
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| 10:11.49 | nsadmin | ok... quite possibly, what's under the nfs on the nfs machine is ro |
| 10:12.10 | nsadmin | bottom line, you need somewhere else to install these things |
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| 10:12.39 | ddraskovic | nsadmin, oK |
| 10:12.42 | ddraskovic | thnaks |
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| 10:13.41 | nsadmin | the machine that has the actual disks which have nfs exports, do you have control over that machine? |
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| 10:19.16 | karmic-koala | Hi all, I am sharing several folders on an external drive using samba. Windows users can't get to my it using my network name '\\mysamba_share\" but can access it using my ip. any thoughts? |
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| 10:19.55 | warsp1te | karmic: windows will use WINS or DNS to discover the name/to ip |
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| 10:20.21 | AdmV0rl02 | so, basically your shares are working |
| 10:20.40 | AdmV0rl02 | but windows does not understand or is unable to make out the name to ip |
| 10:20.53 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, yes my shares are working only Windows users have to type in my ip to get to it rather than my network name |
| 10:21.02 | AdmV0rl02 | yes |
| 10:21.10 | AdmV0rl02 | so find out what they have in terms of naming |
| 10:21.28 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, you mean like support for wins and dns? |
| 10:21.57 | AdmV0rl02 | If they are on a home network, there may be no standing way in place, if they are in an NT4 network, use wins from the server, if they are an AD network, add in a DNS record for your linux machine |
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| 10:22.31 | AdmV0rl02 | If its a small network, you could just put it in their hosts file |
| 10:23.09 | AdmV0rl02 | what can you tell me about that network? |
| 10:23.15 | AdmV0rl02 | if anything? |
| 10:23.22 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, afraid its an enterprise scale AD network and I can't have them map my ip to dns |
| 10:23.46 | AdmV0rl02 | karmic: why? |
| 10:24.19 | AdmV0rl02 | (normally decent admins will happily add a dns record for you (incidently, if they run DHCP and you use DHCP, this should happen automatically |
| 10:25.16 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, network team won't make an exception, you see long story, everyone's on Windows and they use LDAP to login. They said I could install Linux (i don't do windows) but i am on my own and i bypass ldap etc |
| 10:25.53 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, so i am basically connected to the local area network as "non managed pc" |
| 10:25.57 | AdmV0rl02 | karmic: if you live on DHCP, in theory, on getting the lease, you will be added to DNS. |
| 10:26.23 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, and the name that gets mapped to my ip is the same as in /etc/hosts |
| 10:26.33 | karmic-koala | ? |
| 10:26.35 | jacekowski | afaik samba and stuff uses wins |
| 10:26.35 | AdmV0rl02 | if you are on DNS, windows machines should be able to access your \\machine\shares by machine name |
| 10:26.51 | project2501a | I LOVE YOU DEBIAN |
| 10:26.53 | jacekowski | and wins is preffered iirc |
| 10:27.18 | project2501a | you make my life managing 300+ server and 2PB storage E. A. S. Y. |
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| 10:27.20 | AdmV0rl02 | Wins is old, and often turned off. |
| 10:27.40 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, and by machine name you mean /etc/hostname |
| 10:27.49 | jacekowski | project2501a: i have same on windows |
| 10:27.52 | AdmV0rl02 | karmic: the name will be whatever your system presents to the DHCP sever |
| 10:28.17 | project2501a | jacekowski: same? |
| 10:28.35 | jacekowski | well, almost |
| 10:28.48 | AdmV0rl02 | karmic: are you using their DHCP? |
| 10:28.52 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, okay, just checked with smbclient -L my_system_name -N and it worked | but it doesn't work for others then |
| 10:29.20 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, yes we're getting our ip from the same DHCP server |
| 10:29.21 | jacekowski | if we are talking about used storage then i have a lot less |
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| 10:29.55 | AdmV0rl02 | karmic: in that case, you'll just have to live with the \\ipaddress\share |
| 10:30.42 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, what a shame, we'll i guess that'll have to do :) thanks for your time |
| 10:30.43 | AdmV0rl02 | karmic: you may have to adjust your workgroup/domain settings for them to see things |
| 10:31.01 | AdmV0rl02 | usually \\ipaddy\share is easy enough |
| 10:31.33 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, agreed \\ip_address\share is easy but in principle \\my_net_name\share should also work |
| 10:31.59 | AdmV0rl02 | it nominally does |
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| 10:32.32 | AdmV0rl02 | on AD its dependant on DHCP/DNS - the dns is how all clients carry out a name to IP conclusion |
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| 10:32.59 | AdmV0rl02 | so.. in theory, if your record exists in dhcp and in dns, the naming should work |
| 10:33.13 | AdmV0rl02 | again, talking to your admins nicely might help |
| 10:33.32 | AdmV0rl02 | they should be able to at least help you look up your records and see what they are |
| 10:33.34 | karmic-koala | AdmV0rl02, :D okay i'll give that a try, i'll be extra nice this time |
| 10:34.15 | AdmV0rl02 | karmic: you might find that in DNS your name is different from what you expect, hence your problem |
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| 10:34.57 | jacekowski | AdmV0rl02: dns records are only created when client requests it |
| 10:35.04 | jacekowski | AdmV0rl02: unless configured differently |
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| 10:35.28 | project2501a | dynamic dns records are created when the client requests it |
| 10:35.37 | project2501a | dns by itself does didly squat |
| 10:35.45 | project2501a | (unless your sysadmin asks it to) |
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| 10:43.40 | Big_Brother | What drivers would i need for an intel GPU? |
| 10:44.27 | nsadmin | drivers written for that gpu |
| 10:45.01 | nsadmin | (hey now, don't blame me... I was exactly as specific as you were...) |
| 10:45.05 | AdmV0rl02 | karmic: I stand corrected. The admins can advise you on how they configure their DHCP. However, I've just checked ours - and although it is set to the client option, my linux boxes which are generally vanilla all register their DNS without issue on the AD. |
| 10:45.20 | misterioz | Big_Brother: the package name that you need to install is xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 10:45.29 | AdmV0rl02 | Therefore, I stand by what I have said through this commentary. |
| 10:46.09 | Big_Brother | That's already installed, misterioz. |
| 10:46.26 | misterioz | Big_Brother: than you have them installed :) |
| 10:46.30 | visof | hello |
| 10:46.43 | visof | how can i configure my machine as mail server "smtp" ? |
| 10:47.03 | Big_Brother | That doesn't explain why my resolution is 800x600 when i need it to be 1024x600. |
| 10:47.14 | misterioz | visof: you need to install postfix and then configure it |
| 10:47.32 | misterioz | visof: you can find more info here http://www.postfix.org/ |
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| 10:48.38 | petemc | visof: the default mta for debian is exim4, you may already have it, you can configure it with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 10:49.26 | visof | mischief, postfix configuration, type of mail config, internet site ? |
| 10:49.27 | misterioz | Big_Brother: you are using Lenny, Squeeze or Sid? |
| 10:49.48 | Big_Brother | Squeeze. |
| 10:49.59 | AdmV0rl02 | big bother: thats a netbook, - right ? |
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| 10:50.10 | Big_Brother | Yeah. :( |
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| 10:51.59 | thewanderer1 | Big_Brother: I sincerely hope you're not using a GPU integrated with the CPU - those are real crap and are not supported well on Linux or any free systems |
| 10:52.06 | thewanderer1 | (Nokia Booklet? grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr) |
| 10:52.25 | qiyong | hi, why my left alt and right alt are different? left alt-number can shift gnome terminal tabs. |
| 10:52.38 | Big_Brother | Asus EEE PC 900a. |
| 10:52.50 | thewanderer1 | qiyong: there is no "right alt" - it's called AltGr and this key serves a different function |
| 10:52.52 | Big_Brother | It should be an integrated GPU, but not within the CPU. |
| 10:53.43 | qiyong | thewanderer1, so there's only one alt? |
| 10:54.13 | thewanderer1 | qiyong: yes, your right alt is used to input local characters like this: Ä
óżÅÄÄÅÅ |
| 10:54.44 | qiyong | thewanderer1, i feel it's inconvinent to type altgr+6 |
| 10:54.45 | visof | i installed postfix then i tried mail command i got that message : postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 10:55.20 | qiyong | thewanderer1, is it expected so? |
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| 10:55.48 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 10:56.23 | thewanderer1 | qiyong: well, I don't know about eastern input methods, I don't really use them... unless you mean the naming itself - then you should know AltGr has always been called so |
| 10:56.26 | visof | can anyone help ? |
| 10:56.37 | AlexC_ | if I am wanting to use apt pinning to install PHP from squeeze instead of lenny, do I need both the security.debian.org and ftp.uk.debian.org? Is security really need for that? |
| 10:56.38 | jacekowski | thewanderer1: ekhm? |
| 10:56.45 | qiyong | thewanderer1, i type french |
| 10:56.59 | jacekowski | thewanderer1: cpus integrated with gpus are very popular and work quite well with linux |
| 10:57.00 | qiyong | thewanderer1, i tought altgr == compose key |
| 10:57.08 | thewanderer1 | jacekowski: what? hell no |
| 10:57.11 | llutz | visof: #postfix on freenode and http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
| 10:57.13 | jacekowski | thewanderer1: snapdragon, omap, tegra |
| 10:57.40 | thewanderer1 | jacekowski: er... Intel's latest GMA5000 or sth like that, found in netbooks, is not supported without binary crappy drivers |
| 10:58.06 | thewanderer1 | and yes, we're talking Intel x86 netbooks here |
| 10:58.07 | jacekowski | thewanderer1: well, imagine technologies powervr works nice |
| 10:58.17 | jacekowski | ah, x86 |
| 10:58.26 | jacekowski | that old crap that nobody should use anymore |
| 10:58.30 | thewanderer1 | ;P |
| 10:58.48 | jacekowski | well, arm is most popular cpu now |
| 10:58.58 | jacekowski | architecture* |
| 10:59.24 | thewanderer1 | Big_Brother: so did the native resolution work with eeebuntu or whatever came with the netbook? |
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| 11:01.44 | AlexC_ | how can I see if I have any packages installed from 'non-free'? |
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| 11:02.01 | petern_ | still waiting for ARM netbooks :s |
| 11:02.21 | AdmV0rl02 | I've tested multiple ATom Intel decellerators 950 based netbooks on different *nixes. Most seem to work without issue. I agree the 500 based ones are a headache |
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| 11:02.49 | nsadmin | AlexC_: do you have any non-free sources in your sources.list? |
| 11:02.50 | AdmV0rl02 | arm netbooks are disinteresting to me. |
| 11:02.54 | AdmV0rl02 | I prefer x86 |
| 11:03.09 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: yes, I'd like to remove them but want to make sure I don't have anything installed from them first |
| 11:03.30 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: just going on lunch, but I can reply after |
| 11:03.49 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello all , i use debian lenny x64 and want to ask , how i can mount local resoursce - \\192.168.111\share to my debian ( /home/server/work ) ?? |
| 11:03.52 | nsadmin | not exactly sure how to check other than iterating over all installed packages |
| 11:04.09 | thewanderer1 | petern_: ARM netbooks are already there - I see lots of them daily |
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| 11:04.46 | petern_ | oh? |
| 11:04.55 | thewanderer1 | ^DEMOSS^: first, there is NO x64, it's called amd64. second, google for "smbfs" or "cifs" |
| 11:05.15 | ^DEMOSS^ | have error messege as cifs |
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| 11:05.25 | thewanderer1 | then read them :) |
| 11:05.33 | ^DEMOSS^ | can i paste here err messege ? |
| 11:05.42 | AdmV0rl02 | use pastebin |
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| 11:05.50 | norbert_ | hi there, I have a question |
| 11:05.52 | norbert_ | stimpy:/usr/local/share/wesnoth/data/core/sounds# find / -name '*wesnoth*'|grep sounds |
| 11:05.52 | norbert_ | stimpy:/usr/local/share/wesnoth/data/core/sounds# |
| 11:05.59 | petern_ | who makes a proper arm netbook? |
| 11:06.00 | norbert_ | howcome that doesn't return the current directory? |
| 11:06.17 | AdmV0rl02 | petern: why would you want one? |
| 11:06.36 | thewanderer1 | petern_: the Chinese - google for "wise corporation china", but they have crappy batteries |
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| 11:07.05 | thewanderer1 | btw. allegro.pl is being flooded with this kind of netbooks, but nobody wants them currently, just saying |
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| 11:07.30 | qiyong | thewanderer1, how to change AltGr? |
| 11:07.46 | thewanderer1 | qiyong: look for your desktop environment's keyboard options |
| 11:07.47 | petern_ | thewanderer1, vaguest search ever :) there are the crappy things that run windows ce. they're not netbooks |
| 11:08.13 | qiyong | thewanderer1, didn't find anything to AltGr |
| 11:08.35 | thewanderer1 | qiyong: it's probably in X.org keyboard options, in a series of checkboxes or sth |
| 11:08.46 | petern_ | AdmV0rl02, back in 1987 i lusted over ARM ;p |
| 11:09.04 | qiyong | thewanderer1, yes, i'm on the layout dialog |
| 11:09.11 | qiyong | thewanderer1, but didn't see AltGr |
| 11:09.25 | thewanderer1 | petern_: was just a name off the top of my head - if you want, browse allegro.pl, you can use the help of a translator - I'm sure I've seen at least one Debian machine there |
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| 11:10.35 | thewanderer1 | qiyong: use "compose key position" or sth like that if you want to relocate keys |
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| 11:11.02 | qiyong | the-dude, is compose key == altgr? |
| 11:11.06 | qiyong | thewanderer1, ^ |
| 11:11.19 | thewanderer1 | no, but you can move it around, so it should be possible with altgr too |
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| 11:12.51 | thewanderer1 | hm, it turns out you would have to do that by hand |
| 11:13.17 | qiyong | thewanderer1, is altgr == 3rd level? |
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| 11:16.00 | thewanderer1 | qiyong: now that you mention this, Google seems to suggest that it is, or is somewhat related |
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| 11:17.57 | thewanderer1 | at least for me mapping this 3rd level stuff to right ctrl works |
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| 11:27.55 | cristi8 | hi. do someone know any package that plays some audio at specified times? i would like some audio programmed alerts |
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| 11:28.19 | abrotman | cristi8: like an alarm clock? |
| 11:28.26 | abrotman | is this every day? |
| 11:29.08 | cristi8 | abrotman: yes, i was thinking at an alarm clock, but it would also be cool if i could make the connection with a text2speech program |
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| 11:30.16 | qiyong | thewanderer1, how to enter è? |
| 11:30.30 | thewanderer1 | qiyong: I don't have a bloody idea :P |
| 11:30.43 | jelly | qiyong: Compose ` e ? |
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| 11:31.03 | jelly | qiyong: first, make some key to be the Compose key. |
| 11:31.19 | thewanderer1 | try AltGr+\ and then press e |
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| 11:31.58 | jelly | qiyong: eg. "setkxbmap -option compose:menu" will make the windows Menu key a Compose key instead |
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| 11:33.07 | jelly | qiyong: AltGr is typically 3rd level, yes. That's different from Compose. |
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| 11:33.32 | abrotman | cristi8: you want your computer to sing? |
| 11:34.09 | aguitel | i need to install network-manager but i have not internet connection ,how i do that ? |
| 11:34.15 | karlpinc | cristi8: I believe festival does text to speech. Use debtags to find others. |
| 11:34.48 | abrotman | i think festival is the only one that works decently well .. sphinx has been RFA'ed i think |
| 11:35.00 | cristi8 | abrotman: not necesseraly, i was thinking that the audio would be the reading of a text |
| 11:35.26 | cristi8 | abrotman: but your "alarm clock" keywords led me to some google results :) thanks |
| 11:35.26 | abrotman | cristi8: there are console alarm clocks .. you can also use cron and/or atd .. festival will process text |
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| 11:37.26 | abrotman | i spy asguy? |
| 11:38.54 | AlexC_ | I'm wanting to install some packages from Squeeze in my Lenny install. Is it advised to add in the security repo for Squeeze, or just the main repos? |
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| 11:39.50 | abrotman | AlexC_: definitely NOT |
| 11:39.57 | abrotman | AlexC_: which packages are you talking about? |
| 11:40.28 | AlexC_ | abrotman: php5-*, however I also want to rebuild these packages with different configure lines. I'm planning on installing them, rebuilding, and installing again |
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| 11:41.13 | abrotman | so why not rebuild the ones already in lenny? |
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| 11:41.41 | AlexC_ | abrotman: those are PHP5.2, Squeeze has 5.3 - from what I've seen, it would be a lot easier to use those packages |
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| 11:42.37 | abrotman | AlexC_: one of the huge issues is that PHP is full of security issues, and you'll be on your own for patching those |
| 11:43.54 | AlexC_ | abrotman: full of security issues? It's more the idiot developers who think they can develop that create insecure applications. I'd be ok with patching, I'd just take the patches that get applied to the Squeeze archives |
| 11:44.04 | asg | abrotman: with my little eye? |
| 11:44.11 | abrotman | yes! |
| 11:44.16 | jelly | asg: you spy? |
| 11:44.23 | abrotman | AlexC_: is that english? :) |
| 11:44.33 | abrotman | AlexC_: /msg dpkg ssb .. good luck |
| 11:45.39 | jelly | AlexC_: binary packages from a different release pull in other, unrelated binary dependencies. In general you don't want to do that to your system |
| 11:46.27 | asg | jelly: something begining with j |
| 11:46.37 | AlexC_ | jelly yeah this I know about and is not something I really want to do either. Normally I just compile the version of PHP we need on the server, but for this new server I don't want to do that (since I don't have built utils on a production server) |
| 11:47.00 | AlexC_ | jelly I was advised not to create my own debian package for PHP, but instead install from squeeze |
| 11:47.35 | jelly | AlexC_: when do you plan a prod deployment? Arguably you could go all-squeeze and keep the system on squeeze later. |
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| 11:48.35 | AlexC_ | jelly 2-4 weeks really. But that would be easier I agree, but hum ... |
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| 11:48.55 | xelister | is there some good common solution to run 2 mysql servers at one box? |
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| 11:49.16 | jelly | AlexC_: squeeze is early in freeze at the moment. Things may change drastically but possibly won't. |
| 11:50.06 | AlexC_ | jelly indeed, I'm not sure if I want to run that risk right now. I'd still also need to rebuild the archive with different configure options |
| 11:50.07 | xelister | just copy the init.d script to like mysql2 ? where to set other port number and other datadir? any other changes needed to have servers separate? |
| 11:50.10 | jelly | AlexC_: it will probably become debian 6.0 in the next 12 months |
| 11:51.28 | AlexC_ | jelly these are the options I see: A) compile PHP directory on the server (bad for security) B) create my own PHP debian package C) backport Squeeze PHP archives and rebuild with different configure options |
| 11:51.36 | AlexC_ | s/directory/directly |
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| 11:52.52 | AlexC_ | jelly actually, if I take the Squeeze PHP source, and compile it on Lenny - it would be compiled against the libs I have, so it wouldn't need to get those other binary dependencies, surely? |
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| 11:53.35 | CoolCold | hello guys |
| 11:53.44 | CoolCold | anyone on 2.6.32.bpo5 with netconsole ? |
| 11:53.45 | abrotman | AlexC_: what's wrong with the options they used? |
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| 11:54.09 | jelly | AlexC_: that's what backporting is all about, yes |
| 11:54.22 | CoolCold | i have working netconsole in 2.6.26-x but in 2.6.32 from backports there is only one message being sent to remote box |
| 11:54.34 | jelly | abrotman: using a system gd instead of the bundled one? Suhosin? |
| 11:54.40 | CoolCold | well, not sent, but recieved ;) |
| 11:54.49 | jelly | abrotman: do you want more? |
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| 11:54.54 | abrotman | jelly: i meant for him! |
| 11:55.09 | jelly | abrotman: it's a stupid question. |
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| 11:55.31 | jelly | (except when it isn't) |
| 11:55.33 | abrotman | jelly: it's a stupid questions what's wrong with PHP? :) |
| 11:55.43 | file-exists-p | it is evil |
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| 11:55.45 | file-exists-p | it is the darkside |
| 11:55.46 | AlexC_ | abrotman: far more extensions than we need, and I don't want to carry that overhead |
| 11:55.54 | abrotman | AlexC_: you only install the ones you need? |
| 11:56.03 | jelly | AlexC_: you don't have to enable them, duh. |
| 11:56.11 | abrotman | and that's kind of a silly reason to be responsible for your own security updates |
| 11:56.33 | AlexC_ | jelly sure, but they are still there and other things I would like to change within the configure options |
| 11:56.40 | abrotman | such as? |
| 11:56.41 | jelly | AlexC_: which ones? |
| 11:57.01 | AlexC_ | compile mysql/mysqli/pdo_mysql to use mysqlnd |
| 11:57.14 | abrotman | well, there's another mistake .. using mysql :) |
| 11:57.38 | nsadmin | true... there's postgres too yaknow |
| 11:57.39 | jelly | yeah. That LAMP thing is totally overrated. |
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| 11:58.11 | AlexC_ | *sigh* no, that is not a mistake so please do not assume you know the enrivonment that these applications were developed in for a /reason/ |
| 11:58.40 | abrotman | if there's a reason to use mysql, i don't want to use the app ... |
| 11:58.42 | jelly | abrotman: the fact that maintainers make it rather easy to rebuild php with custom options says a lot, I think |
| 11:59.11 | AlexC_ | abrotman: great, that's *your* choice and thankfully you don't need to make that choice on *our* servers, do you? |
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| 11:59.13 | abrotman | jelly: lots of apps are easy to rebuild ... |
| 11:59.25 | abrotman | AlexC_: nope, you're right .. have fun |
| 11:59.50 | jelly | abrotman: not intentionally |
| 11:59.53 | abrotman | sounds like some developers need to be retrained |
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| 12:00.10 | abrotman | jelly: my kernel needs 1000Hz timers! |
| 12:00.11 | nsadmin | AlexC_: hope you keep lotsa backups... |
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| 12:00.25 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: of? |
| 12:00.39 | AlexC_ | jelly just to confirm, if I take the Squeeze PHP source and build on lenny, that should work? |
| 12:00.50 | nsadmin | well everything, but especially the data in your databases |
| 12:00.51 | jelly | AlexC_: that's the general idea, yes |
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| 12:01.06 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: then yes, we do - daily |
| 12:01.21 | AlexC_ | jelly excellent, I'll look into this, thanks |
| 12:01.22 | jelly | AlexC_: you might experience issues with versioned build-dependencies |
| 12:01.32 | AlexC_ | jelly true, true |
| 12:03.03 | jelly | AlexC_: there's http://wiki.debian.org/PHP and php5 maintainers mailing list |
| 12:03.32 | AlexC_ | jelly ah, most good. Thanks again |
| 12:03.58 | abrotman | AlexC_: just do you're aware, the php5 in testing is currently lacking a fair number of security related patches |
| 12:04.08 | jelly | "The first place you should go for information: /usr/share/doc/php*. Most notably, README.Debian and NEWS.Debian, just like any other package. Note that if you are visiting this page while following the directions in that file, abort now because you're in an infinite loop" |
| 12:04.42 | jelly | abrotman: he'll read the wiki page and pull the source from git! |
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| 12:04.55 | AlexC_ | yeah I was going to go the Git approach as soon as I saw that |
| 12:04.55 | abrotman | he just said he was building from squeeze! |
| 12:04.56 | jelly | well not the source, but the debian/ tree thingy |
| 12:05.02 | abrotman | and it's sitll broken in unstable too |
| 12:05.09 | jelly | shrug. |
| 12:05.12 | abrotman | so .. who knows if the debian-php git tree has them resolved either |
| 12:05.16 | jelly | abrotman: when is it NOT broken. |
| 12:05.22 | abrotman | jelly: when it's off? |
| 12:05.39 | jelly | yeah, and that's not always an option unfortunately |
| 12:06.22 | abrotman | yes, but not dicking with the packages is also an option |
| 12:06.23 | jelly | sure AlexC_ would probably prefer running webapps under tomcat and developing java with eclipse... but hey, can't always get what you want |
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| 12:07.34 | jelly | AlexC_: note how we didn't point you to dotdeb.org package because the general consensus is they're not done very well |
| 12:07.34 | AlexC_ | abrotman: welcome to my ignore list. I really don't like your attitude considering you have no idea what we're using it for, our environment, and that it wont even concern you. If you see the PHP code that our developers here create, I really would not worry about the serurity of the PHP binary, their PHP code is terrible and I'm just trying to help |
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| 12:08.05 | abrotman | he hasn't yet given a reason why he needs the 5.3 from squeeze instead of the 5.2 in lenny, he's making work for himself and creating an insecure environment .. tard |
| 12:08.22 | abrotman | Some people shouldn't be in charge of servers |
| 12:08.29 | jelly | abrotman: you're being a tard for presuming he doesn't have a reason, as well |
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| 12:08.38 | abrotman | he hasn't given a single reason |
| 12:08.48 | AlexC_ | abrotman: we *need* PHP 5.3. *ignored* |
| 12:08.59 | abrotman | he keeps coming in and asking obscure questions .. and refuses to accept it might be a bad idea |
| 12:09.09 | abrotman | he can't say why he "needs" it |
| 12:09.22 | abrotman | all he gave was "I want to remove some modules, and recompile mysql modules" |
| 12:09.24 | AlexC_ | jelly yeah I've head bad things about dotdeb |
| 12:09.42 | jelly | he's clearly a sysadmin type and his devels say they need 5.3, there's not much you can do in this situation |
| 12:09.58 | abrotman | he didn't say why! |
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| 12:10.23 | abrotman | i don't care what the developers think, they're probably wrong :) |
| 12:10.47 | AlexC_ | abrotman: do you know the changes in PHP5.2 -> PHP 5.3? Hum? If you did, you'd realise how stupid you're sounding |
| 12:10.53 | jelly | abrotman: this channel isn't about what you think, it's about tech support and tech support is about solving issues |
| 12:10.55 | abrotman | AlexC_: i thought you had me on ignore |
| 12:11.09 | abrotman | jelly: so we advise people to setup insecure systems for deployment? |
| 12:11.25 | AlexC_ | abrotman: I find it more ammusing to see you talk 'behind my back' and see how far you'll go |
| 12:11.31 | jelly | abrotman: if that's their sine-qua-non, and they already know it, yes. |
| 12:11.47 | Tux^verdreifelt | abrotman: if they urge to /have/ insecure systems, it's not our part to avoid that |
| 12:11.49 | abrotman | AlexC_: i'm not talking behind your back .. it's in the channel for all to see .. *you* chose to ignore me |
| 12:11.57 | Tux^verdreifelt | solving problems, not avoiding them :) |
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| 12:12.22 | abrotman | that's like walking around with your fingers in your ear to ignore people and then accusing them of not talking to you |
| 12:12.44 | jelly | AlexC_: also, /msg dpkg uupdate for a possible way to package latest 5.3.x; but then you're entering a teritory of Debian patches failing and more pain |
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| 12:13.27 | abrotman | if you're going to say you need 5.3 and you don't care about security, why not just compile it yourself from upstream and use stow/checkinstall |
| 12:13.34 | jelly | AlexC_: depending on your time frame, you might want to inquire in pkg-php-maint list or not |
| 12:13.35 | AlexC_ | jelly I can deal with patches failing, that's ok - Thnaks for the informaton, I'll check it out |
| 12:13.36 | abrotman | then you'd have the shiniest newest stuff! |
| 12:14.18 | jelly | abrotman: yeah, that's an option we had to take here at times |
| 12:14.19 | AlexC_ | abrotman: the way you make assumptions really amuses me |
| 12:14.34 | abrotman | it's pretty much the same as you're doing now .. |
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| 12:14.56 | abrotman | you could create your own local repo, and then you can have the most up to date PHP, which presumably has more security patches than what is currently in squeeze |
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| 12:15.30 | AlexC_ | which is something I had considered as well. Currently we compile PHP on our production servers which isn't great for security, hence why I'm looking at these different options |
| 12:15.44 | abrotman | the only large-ish issue would be if you are then trying to use other debian packages that debian on php*, and then you'd have to mess with equivs |
| 12:15.50 | nsadmin | why have a security patch, when the whole thing can be a security! |
| 12:16.03 | AlexC_ | we don't use any packages that depend on php5-* |
| 12:16.13 | abrotman | or libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 12:16.18 | AlexC_ | no |
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| 12:16.32 | AlexC_ | we run PHP via FCGI |
| 12:16.38 | abrotman | i'd go upstream and use stow/checkinstall or create my own repo and packages |
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| 12:17.11 | abrotman | the packages in squeeze/sid have known security issues (besides being PHP at all) |
| 12:17.13 | AlexC_ | what is the difference between checkinstall and making your own package? |
| 12:17.25 | abrotman | !checkinstall |
| 12:17.25 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
| 12:17.37 | jelly | AlexC_: I've been planning to make autobuilt packages for our webhosting farm for years, but more interesting stuff happens all the time and other admins have learned how to build and test and deploy it anyway |
| 12:17.41 | abrotman | one is a proper package that has the files in proper places |
| 12:17.53 | abrotman | checkinstall just tracks files that go in /usr/local/ |
| 12:18.08 | AlexC_ | ah ok, that could be an option for us |
| 12:18.17 | nsadmin | checkinstall isn't a maintainer |
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| 12:18.21 | abrotman | well, they can really go anywhere ... |
| 12:18.52 | abrotman | but if you're going upstream, you're still responsible for your own security issues, and then your devs have to do their own regression testing, etc |
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| 12:32.32 | natex | trying debian for the first time in 10 years. :) |
| 12:32.44 | abrotman | things have changed! |
| 12:33.04 | natex | I like it. |
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| 12:33.51 | Weust` | hi, is there any reason for a spawned console to not read .bashrc ? |
| 12:33.55 | jelly | you don't have to use dselect any more! |
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| 12:34.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | Weust`: you're not using bash ? |
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| 12:41.17 | markit_2 | hi, aptitude dist-upgrade says "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.", but dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii gives no package on hold... how can I see what are these 3 packages and why are not installed/upgraded? |
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| 12:41.43 | qiyong | what programs read/need /etc/environment ? |
| 12:42.07 | abrotman | markit: aptitude search '~U |
| 12:42.12 | abrotman | markit: aptitude search '~U' will show some of them |
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| 12:42.43 | markit | abrotman: argh, good shot! thanks a lot! never thought about it |
| 12:43.03 | markit | abrotman: any way to make them installed? |
| 12:43.18 | markit | "ihA" status |
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| 12:45.10 | markit | ok, aptitude install those packages: solved! |
| 12:45.14 | markit | abrotman: thanks a gain |
| 12:45.25 | dokma | Hey guyz! How do I join lines 4 to 7 using sed. This is my non working idea: sed '4,7N;N;N;s/\n//' zip.1.sql |
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| 12:49.00 | dokma | this one actually works: sed '4N;s/\n//' zip.1.sql | sed '4N;s/\n//' | sed '4N;s/\n//' |
| 12:49.07 | dokma | it's a bit clumsy but who cares |
| 12:49.27 | dokma | I don't know how to tell sed to read in multiple lines into the buffer |
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| 12:58.06 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:01.06 | AlexC_ | dop you use Stow with Checkinstall, or just 1? |
| 13:01.09 | AlexC_ | s/dop/do |
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| 13:04.06 | lolcat93- | Should I use Lenny for a server? |
| 13:05.47 | project2501a | yes you should |
| 13:06.08 | abrotman | AlexC_: one or the other |
| 13:06.20 | abrotman | AlexC_: they do slightly different things |
| 13:09.03 | AlexC_ | abrotman: thought as much, checkinstall it is then, for now Thanks |
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| 13:12.44 | stayb | i want do record sounds with my headset. i use gnome sound recorder. the headset input is on the red soundcard input. But it doesnt record. Whats the solution= |
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| 13:13.13 | abrotman | it's unmuted, level raised ? |
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| 13:15.03 | AlexC_ | abrotman: sorry to ask you directory, though you know the situation. If I was to go the backport route, obviously the build dependencies are not going to meet - how do I start to resolve these? |
| 13:15.15 | AlexC_ | s/directory/directly ... sigh, twice in 1 day |
| 13:15.43 | abrotman | AlexC_: you may have to install them directly .. which gives you a dirty/nasty lenny/squeeze mix |
| 13:15.53 | abrotman | judd: build-dep php5-cgi |
| 13:15.55 | judd | php5 -- Build-Depends: apache-dev (>= 1.3.23), apache2-prefork-dev (>= 2.0.53-3), autoconf, automake1.4, bison, chrpath, debhelper (>= 3), firebird2-dev [i386 amd64], flex (>= 2.5.4), freetds-dev, libapr1-dev (>= 1.2.7-8), libbz2-dev (>= 1.0.0), libc-client-dev, libcurl3-openssl-dev | libcurl3-dev, libdb4.4-dev, libexpat1-dev (>= 1.95.2-2.1), libfreetype6-dev, libgcrypt11-dev, libgd2-xpm-dev (>= |
| 13:15.57 | judd | 2.0.28-3), libjpeg62-dev, libkrb5-dev, libldap2-dev, libmcrypt-dev, libmhash-dev (>= 0.8.8), libmysqlclient15-dev | libmysqlclient12-dev, libncurses5-dev, libpam0g-dev, libpcre3-dev (>= 6.6), libpng12-dev, libpq-dev | postgresql-dev, libpspell-dev, librecode-dev, libsnmp9-dev | libsnmp-dev, libsqlite0-dev, libssl-dev (>= 0.9.6), libt1-dev, libtidy-dev, libtool (>= 1.4.2-4), libwrap0-dev, (1 more message) |
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| 13:16.01 | abrotman | ack! |
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| 13:16.20 | AlexC_ | abrotman: hum, what I more mean is a bout changing the build dependencies. I mean, PHP 5.3 works just fine on Lenny, so obviously I can make it meet these dependencies with what Lenny has |
| 13:17.11 | abrotman | AlexC_: oh, you can change the debian/rules file to change the deps |
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| 13:17.34 | jelly | AlexC_: you can install whatever versions (of all of those) are available, and adapt/remove versioned build-deps |
| 13:17.42 | jelly | and cross fingers. |
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| 13:18.29 | AlexC_ | jelly indeed, so say for example it needs foobar >= 3.4.2, but lenny has 3.2.0, I can change that to 3.2.0 and see what happens? |
| 13:18.33 | jelly | AlexC_: right |
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| 13:18.53 | AlexC_ | interesting ... ok, quite tempted by this option now |
| 13:19.06 | jelly | also, wtf needs firebird support! |
| 13:19.18 | AlexC_ | jelly, and previously you said don't go for dotdeb. I've heard bad about them, but this was years ago - what are your reasons for not suggesting them? |
| 13:19.18 | jelly | etc. |
| 13:19.33 | abrotman | AlexC_: but it may not work .. |
| 13:19.43 | tarzeau | AlexC_: many, if you ask me |
| 13:19.44 | jelly | AlexC_: historical ineptitude. I haven't checked them in years to be honest. |
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| 13:19.52 | abrotman | AlexC_: those dotdeb packages are notoriously seriously f'ed up |
| 13:19.58 | AlexC_ | in what way? |
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| 13:19.59 | abrotman | AlexC_: things like they can't be upgraded |
| 13:20.10 | abrotman | or correctly upgraded |
| 13:20.16 | tarzeau | AlexC_: mirror not up, package breaking package management requiring manual intervention... |
| 13:20.26 | AlexC_ | intersting, ok - I'll stay clear |
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| 13:23.31 | andre_pl | is anyone familiar with an issue in the ppp_mppe driver? i'm encountering it in ubuntu but i think this driver is common, the issue is explained in detail here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9038660&postcount=4 along with a fix, but i'm having issues getting the new module compiled. |
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| 13:25.52 | DeathWolf | hello all, is there any maintained package/patch to log kernel panics to disk? |
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| 13:26.05 | DeathWolf | LKCD seems to have been abandonned since 2006 and I couldn't find much other info |
| 13:26.16 | DeathWolf | I am dealing with a remote crashing server, that randomly crashes, and there's never any info |
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| 13:28.19 | jelly | DeathWolf: kdump / kexec |
| 13:28.34 | DeathWolf | thanks, checking |
| 13:29.07 | DeathWolf | do these need specific kernel options jelly ? |
| 13:29.26 | jelly | DeathWolf: they're in vanilla kernel. kdump-tools userspace |
| 13:30.21 | jelly | DeathWolf: they're in debian distro kernel as well. grep KDUMP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:30.48 | jelly | er, no, that's wrong |
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| 13:31.05 | DeathWolf | CONFIG_CRASH_DUMP |
| 13:31.12 | DeathWolf | and not set here, in my build, so I'll have to recompile:) |
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| 13:31.50 | jelly | hmph, you're probably right |
| 13:32.09 | DeathWolf | well, it'll force me to upgrade:) |
| 13:32.15 | jelly | I don't know why I was sure that was enabled. |
| 13:32.16 | DeathWolf | I was on an old 2.6.34:) |
| 13:32.48 | jelly | oh you're already using a custom kernel, I don't want to know why |
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| 13:35.19 | jelly | DeathWolf: that option is used only when building the special kernel used to write dumps after the real kernel crashes |
| 13:35.41 | DeathWolf | so it is not needed? |
| 13:36.06 | jelly | at least that's what the CONFIG_ help says. Read the docs. |
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| 13:36.46 | jelly | /usr/share/doc/kdump-tools/README.Debian |
| 13:37.34 | DeathWolf | thanks, reading |
| 13:38.40 | project2501a | hey guys, i got a debian-derivative on an .iso file. how can i move that to usb? |
| 13:38.57 | project2501a | can i copy the data from the .iso and remake it as a usb image? |
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| 13:40.04 | cahoot | project2501a: I'd google bootable usb debian |
| 13:40.18 | project2501a | yes, but does it run linux? |
| 13:40.23 | project2501a | (thank you ;) |
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| 13:43.12 | jelly | project2501a: the .iso image needs to be made specifically to make that work. |
| 13:43.22 | debiantonio | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 13:43.32 | jelly | project2501a: eg grml.org images are ddable to usb |
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| 13:44.42 | jelly | project2501a: you might have to use the particular derivative documentation |
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| 13:45.12 | project2501a | jelly: so .iso are specifically made for booting from cd and whoever made this .iso needs to make a usb-bootable image |
| 13:45.13 | project2501a | check. |
| 13:45.27 | project2501a | jelly: it doesn't ahve any |
| 13:45.57 | jelly | use something else! |
| 13:46.22 | jelly | make them use grml or some other decent project as a base |
| 13:47.40 | jelly | <insert 3rd option here> |
| 13:49.51 | project2501a | jelly: i will elliminate the need for such a distro as long as i introduce the "create beowulf cluster" d-i module |
| 13:50.24 | jelly | points project2501a to FAI |
| 13:50.51 | jelly | incidentally, grml-live uses FAI as well |
| 13:50.58 | project2501a | what about FAI? |
| 13:51.18 | project2501a | ah! |
| 13:51.20 | project2501a | ok |
| 13:51.22 | jelly | what about creating beowulf clusters. |
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| 13:56.14 | Jckf | How can I count the number of incoming TCP and UDP connections for a specific binary? |
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| 13:56.28 | moldovean | project2501a, what's that debian-derivative iso ? |
| 13:56.36 | project2501a | moldovean: pelicanhpc |
| 13:56.47 | moldovean | project2501a, thx |
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| 13:56.54 | jelly | Jckf: specific process, or a specific binary? For the former, lsof and/or fuser |
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| 14:00.08 | moldovean | project2501a, that's debian live + some specific packages and configs , use live hybrid to make yours usb , for specific questions ask in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:00.42 | AlexC_ | when running 'git dch -S -a' I am getting the error "ValueError: Boolean options must be True or False" - why is this? |
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| 14:02.16 | project2501a | moldovean: ta. one more question: what makes a beowulf cluster? which packages? |
| 14:02.54 | project2501a | moldovean: i am looking for a definitive list: kerrighan, openmpi, lamboot, a batch queing system? |
| 14:02.59 | project2501a | am i missing any other component? |
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| 14:04.26 | moldovean | a tftp server + nfs share (wich include openmpi + ..) |
| 14:07.17 | project2501a | http://wiki.debian.org/StartaBeowulf so i think i upgraded the article and it is on the spot. can you please take a look? |
| 14:08.02 | moldovean | project2501a, take a look to xmpi to |
| 14:08.05 | moldovean | too* |
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| 14:09.07 | project2501a | *nod* |
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| 14:09.46 | niklaswe | hmm does someone has any howto about installing freebsd on an xen guest.? |
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| 14:11.10 | abrotman | did you ask #freebsd? |
| 14:14.01 | Jckf | jelly: I can't seem to get lsof to show the current connections. It seems to only show listening sockets |
| 14:15.30 | jelly | Jckf: run it as root or as the user the service is started at |
| 14:15.45 | Jckf | I am doing that |
| 14:15.50 | Jckf | Same user that is |
| 14:16.06 | jelly | Jckf: pastebin the output of lsof -n -p whateverpid, please |
| 14:16.52 | jelly | Jckf: which debian release is this? Is your machine a VPS? |
| 14:17.53 | Jckf | Lenny. A box here in this room |
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| 14:18.14 | jelly | "ought to work" |
| 14:18.24 | Jckf | http://pastebin.com/UZYJrAEk |
| 14:18.28 | Jckf | Two pids |
| 14:18.52 | Jckf | One active client |
| 14:19.06 | jelly | there seem to be no active tcp connections |
| 14:19.16 | Jckf | It's UDP |
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| 14:20.51 | jelly | Jckf: hmph. What about netstat -upan, then |
| 14:21.10 | niklaswe | abrotman: no, i ask here first for the xen-host running on debian |
| 14:21.45 | Jckf | jelly: http://pastebin.com/nkBZ8AQr |
| 14:21.53 | Jckf | There are 3 clients now |
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| 14:22.22 | jelly | Jckf: that's it then I guess, unless you're willing to enable connection tracking in the kernel |
| 14:22.37 | Jckf | Does that add alot of overhead? |
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| 14:24.58 | jelly | not alot |
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| 14:25.38 | moldovean | project2501a, for me StartaBeowulf is missing HPL (http://netlib.linux-mirror.org/benchmark/hpl/ de facto standard in TOP500 ..), maui (Maui Cluster Scheduler) (non-free ?) , ganglia, ..etc |
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| 14:29.19 | project2501a | moldovean: will add. HPL, maui, ganglia, what else? |
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| 14:30.32 | alecjw | hi there, does anyone know why i have no /proc/acpi/battery? battery monitoring works fine in ubuntu. do i have to modprobe something? |
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| 14:32.44 | jelly | alecjw: now it's /sys/class/power_supply/BAT* |
| 14:33.16 | jelly | alecjw: userspace should be updated from the, apparently obsolete /proc/acpi interface |
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| 14:34.59 | jelly | alecjw: eg. xosview package added the support in March 2010: http://bugs.debian.org/527810 |
| 14:35.01 | Andy-at-home | guys, how can i install python-mysqldb-dbg? yum doesnt seem to find it |
| 14:35.12 | Andy-at-home | sorry, python-mysqldb |
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| 14:35.36 | alecjw | jelly, got it. cheers. i assume to get % charge i divide charge_now b charge_full. im going to try and make a script using imagemagick to display system info in my desktop wallpaper :) |
| 14:35.56 | alecjw | s/ b / by / |
| 14:36.31 | jelly | alecjw: righto, if you have custom scriptery you're probably able to do math |
| 14:36.48 | moldovean | project2501a, PC Cluster Consortium project (score7 at pccluster.org), Bootable Cluster CD , bccd.net |
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| 14:40.47 | ecolitan | how do in install an old version of software which is no longer in repository? |
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| 14:41.04 | petemc | ecolitan: add sources for archive.debian.org |
| 14:41.16 | Andy-at-home | guys, how can i install python-mysqldb? |
| 14:41.17 | ecolitan | petemc: thanks |
| 14:41.27 | petemc | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security FOO/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:41.58 | petemc | erm, dont need the security line in there |
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| 14:43.05 | moldovean | project2501a, , take a look too at ... http://www.buyya.com /cluster/ superstorage/ , http://www.gridcomputing.com/ |
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| 14:46.10 | Latsni | i have a buffer I/O error on my external usb device http://pastebin.com/cTS9dS3t is there a way to fix that? is it possible to add that block to the badblock list? |
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| 14:47.54 | Andy-at-home | thats 4 problems ive had using Debian thats been solved in the ubuntu channel |
| 14:48.02 | Andy-at-home | open source is only as good as its support |
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| 14:48.40 | Latsni | i could mount all partitions of the device but only after the error messages had flooded the logs |
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| 14:51.10 | Jckf | How can I give a user the CAP_NET_ADMIN capability? |
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| 14:56.49 | srart | Anyone know how to configure exim so that mail for root@localhost doesn't get sent out of the system? |
| 14:59.09 | nsadmin | maybe people are on #exim |
| 14:59.25 | joltcan | srart: Are you using a smarthost then? |
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| 14:59.56 | vy | Hi! How can I learn parameters passed to configure script of a binary package? |
| 15:00.08 | srart | I used it as a setting, but I don't really know what it means. |
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| 15:00.31 | srart | vy: strace |
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| 15:01.05 | vy | srart: Doesn't strace about kernel calls? I need to learn the parameters passed to "./configure" script of octave. |
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| 15:02.12 | jelly | vy: you'll have to take a look at the source and its debian/rules file, apt-get source packagename |
| 15:02.23 | srart | ohh, sorry, wasn't thinking. Looking for parameters from debuild? Or what was used to build on a particular system? |
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| 15:06.26 | xelister | any good solution to have 2 mysql servers on 1 box? |
| 15:06.52 | jordanm | chroot? |
| 15:06.55 | jpinx-eeepc | xelister: vms |
| 15:07.24 | jordanm | you can have multiple datbases, why the need for another isntallation? |
| 15:09.02 | xelister | hmm no |
| 15:09.08 | xelister | I just ment simple running of 2nd mysql server |
| 15:09.12 | xelister | not fully jailing it |
| 15:09.55 | xelister | jordanm: because mysql is stupid |
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| 15:10.07 | OpenTokix | xelister: different ports and conf-files? |
| 15:10.11 | xelister | and doesn't allow per-database setting of path to the data (/var/lib/mysql) |
| 15:10.34 | xelister | OpenTokix: yes. I need the other mysqld, on other port, to use other config - especially other path to data like /var/lib/mysql-fast/ |
| 15:10.35 | OpenTokix | xelister: you can have multiple mysqld running from different configfiles. |
| 15:10.40 | xelister | right |
| 15:11.16 | xelister | so I copy what, /etc/init.d/mysql to mysql-fast? and there set to use other config, and in the other config /etc/mysql-fast/my.cnf write other path to data? and that will work fully i.e. not crash after some time? |
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| 15:12.00 | OpenTokix | xelister: Was just about to get to that, it will be hairy to restart. |
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| 15:12.45 | xelister | DEAR GOD |
| 15:12.54 | OpenTokix | xelister: if test -z "$server_down"; then killall -9 mysqld; fi |
| 15:12.59 | xelister | debian's bash read still doesnt support -i option? oh my god why |
| 15:13.15 | xelister | OpenTokix: I will try that stuff |
| 15:13.18 | OpenTokix | xelister: that line is from the init-script |
| 15:13.27 | OpenTokix | xelister: so you will have to start one of them manually |
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| 15:14.32 | DeathWolf | hello all, is there anyone using extlinux? I think the package maintainer must have done something wrong, as the default install of it here breaks on the "debian theme |
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| 15:16.27 | jordanm | OpenTokix: when available, you should use pkill instead of killall |
| 15:16.46 | jordanm | !tell DeathWolf about bts |
| 15:16.57 | jordanm | OpenTokix: and never -9 |
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| 15:17.10 | eightfold | how do i change the window titlebar color with gnome? |
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| 15:18.57 | MoMo | morning |
| 15:18.59 | eightfold | preferences > appearance does not show this for the clearlooks in debian. |
| 15:19.12 | eightfold | if i recall correctly, it was there in ubuntu |
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| 15:21.14 | OpenTokix | jordanm: that was from the mysql init-script in debian 5 |
| 15:21.19 | jdahm | do all debian installer imges come with LVM and xfsprogs? |
| 15:21.20 | OpenTokix | jordanm: not my writing |
| 15:21.48 | starenka__ | hi how would i do grep -lir 'smthng' *.somext ? i cant make work the extension & recursive together :( |
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| 15:22.42 | nsadmin | starenka__ recursive implies you're telling grep a dir, not a file |
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| 15:23.05 | starenka__ | nsadmin: oh so i must feed grep w/ find or smthng tho? |
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| 15:23.43 | jordanm | OpenTokix: I will need to file a wishlist bug then |
| 15:23.59 | OpenTokix | jordanm: alot of script uses killall |
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| 15:24.05 | nsadmin | right, grep -li 'smthign' $(find . -name "*.somext") |
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| 15:24.49 | starenka__ | nsadmin: ty |
| 15:24.50 | jordanm | OpenTokix: suppose it doesn't matter as much when scripts are not intended to be portable |
| 15:25.41 | jordanm | with pkill included in base, don't see any reason it not using it instead however |
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| 15:27.03 | OpenTokix | jordanm: I can't say I have a strong opinion either way, tbh =) |
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| 15:27.27 | DeathWolf | hello |
| 15:27.43 | DeathWolf | how does one build a debug kernel with make-kpkg/debian tools? |
| 15:28.04 | homie | hey, is the linux-kbuild-2.6.30 package missing ? |
| 15:28.13 | homie | or am i the only one not finding it ? |
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| 15:28.34 | DeathWolf | mmm kernel_debug target maybe |
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| 15:29.10 | jordanm | homie: that kernel is outdated |
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| 15:33.30 | eightfold | how do i know if drivers for my gpu has been installed? |
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| 15:35.08 | nsadmin | first you need to know what chipset |
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| 15:35.18 | nsadmin | then what driver for that chipset |
| 15:35.29 | nsadmin | then what package for that driver |
| 15:35.34 | nsadmin | then is it installed |
| 15:35.38 | OpenTokix | eightfold: if you are in x, try in a shell to run glxinfo |
| 15:35.42 | OpenTokix | and chekc the vendorstring |
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| 15:35.48 | babilen | eightfold: lspci -knn|grep -A2 -ie vga -- should provide all information you/we need |
| 15:35.58 | OpenTokix | eightfold: glxinfo |grep -i vendor |
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| 15:36.13 | user_ | any app to measure stuff on screen with unit measure being pixel ? |
| 15:36.54 | nsadmin | feed coordinates into distance formula |
| 15:37.13 | OpenTokix | user_: screenruler, I think |
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| 15:37.45 | Parabola | hey, so i feel kind of retarded. i'm working on setting up public key authentication over SSH |
| 15:38.06 | Parabola | i've generated the key on the server i want to connect to, i then put the key on another host |
| 15:38.06 | OpenTokix | user_: yes, screenruler |
| 15:38.09 | Parabola | did i do this backwards? |
| 15:38.29 | froek | Parabola: wrong |
| 15:38.29 | Justin | Parabola: yes |
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| 15:38.37 | babilen | Parabola: You typically generate a key for your user and copy that to the server |
| 15:38.38 | froek | Parabola: genkey on local machine |
| 15:38.45 | Parabola | ah okay |
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| 15:39.02 | OpenTokix | user_: and on my screen is your nick 30 pixels wide =) |
| 15:39.03 | froek | Parabola: take id_rsa(or id_dsa).pub and put into 'authorized_keys' on remote server's .ssh/ directory |
| 15:39.22 | jordanm | Parabola: ^ or use ssh-copy-id instead |
| 15:39.43 | babilen | Parabola: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 -- note the usage of ssh-copy-id which makes the whole endeavour quite easy |
| 15:40.38 | froek | ^ that assumes you haven't turned off password auth |
| 15:41.28 | babilen | froek: If you have no way to connect to the server you would have to ask a local administrator for help anyway :) |
| 15:41.35 | xelister | on 32 bit debian on VPS I can't normally upgrade java. is that a known problem? fails with memory problem (but I do have 1 GiB, although using things like swapon does not work on this server) |
| 15:41.56 | froek | babilen: true :) |
| 15:42.15 | jordanm | xelister: you do, aptitude install sun-java6-jre to upgrade java and it "fails with a memory problem"? |
| 15:43.17 | xelister | btw, other problem now |
| 15:43.27 | xelister | Unpacking replacement colordiff ... dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 15:44.09 | jordanm | xelister: pastebin the full output along with "dmesg | tail -100" |
| 15:44.28 | jordanm | xelister: what version of debian? |
| 15:44.37 | babilen | and through in "free -m" as well |
| 15:44.47 | Parabola | alright its still not working |
| 15:45.53 | babilen | Parabola: What have you done and what are the symptoms of "not working" ? |
| 15:46.08 | DeathWolf | mmm, anyone knows how to get kdump-tools to show the trace of a dumped kernel? |
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| 15:46.59 | greycat | How do I install nvidia driver 256.44 on Debian lenny with the standard lenny kernel? |
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| 15:48.42 | Parabola | babilen: i generated an rsa key, copied to the server i want to connect too, and it still prompts for username |
| 15:48.46 | Parabola | erm |
| 15:48.47 | Parabola | for password |
| 15:48.57 | greycat | Parabola: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
| 15:49.04 | froek | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.11 | jordanm | greycat: the >= 195 nvidia drivers require a newer xorg than lenny has |
| 15:49.11 | Parabola | i already did that |
| 15:49.18 | Parabola | @ froek |
| 15:49.30 | greycat | jordanm: Fuck. |
| 15:50.06 | froek | Parabola: chmod 0644 authorized_keys? |
| 15:50.30 | AlexC_ | are *-dev files only ever used when compling etc? |
| 15:50.41 | Parabola | i noticed in the lines i add to the auth keys file, that it has username@host at the end |
| 15:50.51 | Parabola | is that the only user that can auth with that key? |
| 15:50.52 | greycat | the user@host comment at the end is not relevant |
| 15:50.53 | jordanm | greycat: if you need support for a newer card, such as the 2xx series, and are on i386, you can use the 190 drivers: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-4/ |
| 15:50.54 | karlpinc | Parabola: Check your sshd logs and do ssh -v on the client side to debug. |
| 15:50.57 | greycat | it's merely a comment |
| 15:51.00 | Parabola | oh okay |
| 15:51.07 | greycat | ssh -v won't help. read the wiki page. |
| 15:51.09 | Parabola | because the user i wnat to login as does not exist on the local machine |
| 15:51.11 | Parabola | i'm reading the page |
| 15:51.13 | Parabola | ty |
| 15:51.15 | greycat | ssh -v is CLIENT-side debug. you would need server-side debug. |
| 15:51.18 | jordanm | greycat: I expect it to also be possible on amd64, using the binary packages, but it was FTBS last i tried |
| 15:51.18 | froek | Parabola: in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file, do you have: RSAAuthentication yes |
| 15:51.19 | froek | PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 15:51.29 | DeathWolf | great, make-kpkg kernel_debug doesnt' work |
| 15:51.31 | nsadmin | AlexC_: most times a -dev package is the part of a library used for building against that lib |
| 15:51.43 | froek | Parabola: that would be on the remote side (sshd_config) |
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| 15:54.27 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: ok, it's just I installed loads of -dev files which installed other libs before, and I'm just wanting to do a bit of house cleaning. Is it reasonable to say I can remove all -dev packages? |
| 15:54.38 | greycat | AlexC_: it should be. |
| 15:55.06 | nsadmin | well if you're not going to be building against those libs or other facilities |
| 15:56.09 | AlexC_ | if I am, I'll just install them again |
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| 15:56.39 | AlexC_ | one thing I notice, 'dpkg -l' shows 'dpkg-dev' is installed, however when I go to remove it it says it's not installed |
| 15:57.09 | greycat | it's probably showing up with "rc" in the first field, right? |
| 15:57.14 | AlexC_ | correct |
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| 15:57.39 | greycat | Use dpkg --purge dpkg-dev to remove the config files which are all that's left |
| 15:57.54 | AlexC_ | ahh ok :) |
| 15:57.57 | AlexC_ | thanks, |
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| 15:58.41 | AlexC_ | g'bye =) |
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| 16:05.28 | andy5635353 | what is the best laptop for debian, sony, asus, acer? |
| 16:05.47 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.06 | cahoot | but then again mine is 3 years old |
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| 16:06.38 | andy5635353 | i mean for drivers for all the propitary add ons |
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| 16:07.06 | cahoot | there really is no answer |
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| 16:08.23 | karlpinc | andy5635353: Get one with redhat installed, then it'll work with anything. Ubuntu has custom builds of some sort for oems, so that won't fly. Or of course buy one with debian pre-installed. |
| 16:08.40 | jordanm | andy5635353: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
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| 16:09.10 | andy5635353 | wow, thanks thats a lot of reviews great! |
| 16:09.15 | babilen | andy5635353: Or just get a thinkpad and be done with it :) |
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| 16:09.36 | babilen | andy5635353: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
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| 16:10.33 | peterrooney | andy5635353: ibook G4 |
| 16:10.40 | gutterslob | ThinkPads and Fujitsu, I've had reasonably good experiences with |
| 16:10.56 | andy5635353 | thanks guys |
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| 16:15.30 | JyZyXEL | would "INCLUDE:= -isystem /usr/src/`uname -r`/include" be correct for debian? |
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| 16:17.28 | jhutchins_lt | ThinkPads are pretty good and very servicable, but they are pretty high on price for performance. |
| 16:17.33 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: I am not sure what that is, but if you are looking for the kernel headers, then no |
| 16:17.48 | jhutchins_lt | From a very small sample I can recommend Toshibas. |
| 16:17.58 | andy5635353 | yea, that thinkpad cheapest i just saw is £850 |
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| 16:18.14 | andy5635353 | i saw a samsung which looked ok, for £399 yesterday |
| 16:18.29 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: apt-file -x search '/usr/src/.*/include' |
| 16:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | andy5635353: They're great for corporate purchases because they're very consistent and again, parts and service are easy to get. |
| 16:19.06 | andy5635353 | sure, but i just want to move my web server from the desktop to the laptop for portable development |
| 16:19.08 | jhutchins_lt | andy5635353: Definitely avoid Gateway, and I would also avoid Dell. |
| 16:19.25 | andy5635353 | yes, i saw samsung, acer, asus and sony |
| 16:19.27 | jhutchins_lt | andy5635353: Why would you need to have the server present on the laptop? |
| 16:19.28 | andy5635353 | i avoid hp too |
| 16:19.39 | andy5635353 | i wanna develop my website on it |
| 16:19.54 | jhutchins_lt | andy5635353: So just ssh to the server and develop it there. |
| 16:20.06 | andy5635353 | nah, no online all the time |
| 16:20.16 | andy5635353 | i need to be able to develop without a web connection |
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| 16:21.25 | DeathWolf | hello all |
| 16:21.36 | DeathWolf | how does one disable the postinst hook from kernel upgrades? |
| 16:21.48 | DeathWolf | dpkg is unhappy because I'm not using lilo anymore and it wants update-lilo |
| 16:21.48 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, DeathWolf |
| 16:22.05 | DeathWolf | thank you cute little bot. |
| 16:22.17 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: aw, give him a break. |
| 16:22.17 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: no idea |
| 16:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | DeathWolf: Did you purge lilo? |
| 16:22.41 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.41 | dpkg | peterrooney: i haven't a clue |
| 16:22.43 | xoz | DeathWolf: remove the lilo package? |
| 16:22.58 | DeathWolf | I already removed and purged it |
| 16:23.00 | DeathWolf | mmm |
| 16:23.10 | DeathWolf | actually /etc/kernel-img.conf has the hooks |
| 16:23.13 | xoz | DeathWolf: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 16:23.16 | DeathWolf | commenting seems to ahve worked |
| 16:23.24 | xoz | DeathWolf: look for the package.postinst |
| 16:23.36 | DeathWolf | it's not that kind of postinst, the kernel specific one |
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| 16:23.42 | xoz | DeathWolf: and edit it. be careful that you know what you are doing |
| 16:23.43 | simonrvn | dpkg: botsnack |
| 16:23.43 | dpkg | thanks, simonrvn |
| 16:24.02 | DeathWolf | "kernel-img.conf - site wide configuration file for kernel image packages" |
| 16:24.16 | DeathWolf | seems to be all good |
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| 16:24.35 | xoz | DeathWolf: what about rename update-lilo into another filename and create an blank exe with name update-lilo |
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| 16:25.21 | xoz | DeathWolf: and return always a success code to fool the script |
| 16:25.49 | jordanm | xoz: I would surely think that is the wrong way to do it |
| 16:25.59 | xoz | jordanm: yep. |
| 16:26.10 | xoz | a temporary hack |
| 16:26.24 | xoz | anyway, lilo is not installed |
| 16:27.30 | xoz | there must be something with the script to call update-lilo when lilo is not installed. it should check it, i supposed. |
| 16:27.50 | xoz | *something wrong* |
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| 16:29.45 | jordanm | xoz: I have not used lilo, but I recall reading that it must be configured in the file mentioned above. removing that configuration when removing lilo does not sound unreasonable |
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| 17:06.04 | xelister | Im a bit lost amongst all the updates... |
| 17:06.08 | xelister | what is the up to date good way |
| 17:06.18 | abrotman | for what? |
| 17:06.29 | xelister | to have /etc/foo.sh to be auto-executed on start of system? at end of bootum (need network, filesystems etc) |
| 17:06.50 | abrotman | !tell xelister about rc.local |
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| 17:10.19 | xelister | tun tunn tunnnnn |
| 17:10.31 | xelister | dpkg revert wins the award for most un user friendly program of today |
| 17:10.31 | dpkg | xelister: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:10.36 | xelister | it doesnt let me ctrl-C it |
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| 17:10.52 | xelister | stabs it wil ctrl-z / kill -9 DIE mofo |
| 17:11.22 | astartoth | hi all. anyone using fast-switch-user-applet? I can't get it to run. it crashes everytime I try to enable it in the gnome-panel |
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| 17:11.25 | xelister | how to make crontab -e to use vim |
| 17:11.54 | DeathWolf | I assume there's no one around with crash-utility/kdump experience? |
| 17:12.09 | rvsjoen | xelister: export EDITOR=vim ? |
| 17:12.21 | KB1JWQ | xelister: xelister update-alternatives --config editor |
| 17:12.32 | DeathWolf | if I run crash myvmlinux myvmcore, I get crash: read error: kernel virtual address: c148a9a0 type: "kernel_config_data" |
| 17:12.37 | KB1JWQ | (That'll do it systemwide, as opposed to one-offs) |
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| 17:12.47 | xelister | thx KB1JWQ |
| 17:13.06 | xelister | in crontab how to say each 3 minutesA? |
| 17:13.08 | xelister | or 2 |
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| 17:15.02 | jordanm | xelister: have you already looked at man 5 crontab? (which gives a very similar example) |
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| 17:16.58 | xelister | 0-60/3 ? |
| 17:17.08 | xelister | is there shorter |
| 17:17.13 | jordanm | */3 |
| 17:17.16 | xelister | ah |
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| 17:17.25 | jordanm | definatly not 0-60, because that would be 61 minutes |
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| 17:18.30 | waza-ari | Hey all, how to delete a file starting with "-8"? I allways get the message "invalid option -- '8'" even when quoted and even if i use \-8 |
| 17:18.45 | jordanm | waza-ari: rm -- foo |
| 17:19.24 | waza-ari | hm. reading the whole error output would help sometimes... |
| 17:19.41 | waza-ari | thanks anyway Jordanm :) |
| 17:19.42 | paxcoder | rm ./-8 |
| 17:19.48 | paxcoder | :-D |
| 17:20.09 | waza-ari | yeah, this also works... thanks :) |
| 17:20.37 | xelister | how to show ssh fingerprint of server:1234 |
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| 17:21.21 | jordanm | xelister: grep $server ~/.ssh/known_hosts? |
| 17:21.50 | xelister | yeah but there the fingerprints are in some gayified format |
| 17:21.59 | xelister | while I need the RSA key fingerprint as shown by ssh command |
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| 17:22.33 | xelister | I couynd remove known_hosts, and ssh 127.0.0.1 but thats stupid |
| 17:22.44 | llutz | xelister: ssh-keygen -F |
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| 17:22.55 | xelister | does the stupid thing |
| 17:23.04 | xelister | hmm no man-in-the-middle today? dissapointing |
| 17:23.09 | xelister | thanks llutz |
| 17:24.25 | xelister | how to have ssh warn me if IP of knowh hosts changes / quit / be more strict? |
| 17:25.19 | abrotman | xelister: it stores the key by name |
| 17:25.37 | xelister | on ssh server, how to make user, that can be SSH'ed into only for purpose of creating a reverse SSH tunel (and that can not run any commands etc)? (and also possibly disable all other uses that are not needed). btw login can by by ssh pubkey |
| 17:26.59 | jordanm | xelister: setting their shell to /sbin/nologin might accomplish that |
| 17:27.07 | xyan | xelister: change the shell to /bin/false so no commands, no login but forwarding ports is still possible |
| 17:27.15 | xelister | doesnt nologin equal instant termination of any ssh connection? |
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| 17:27.22 | xelister | ah |
| 17:27.36 | jordanm | xelister: any connection that attempts to spawn a shell, which shouldn't occur in a tunnel |
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| 17:28.34 | xelister | paxcoder: wazup, you're from grsec/pax? |
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| 17:29.15 | xelister | that reminds me, is there some good debian based grsecurity distro? and quite up to date. So I could just have grsecurity lamp server witohut loosing time to download/confibgure/build kernel etc etc |
| 17:29.26 | abrotman | xelister: this channel is for Debian, not debian-based |
| 17:29.47 | abrotman | and Debian already has grsec |
| 17:29.47 | xelister | abrotman: right, I ment is there a debian variant for such thing (or debian packages to accomplish above easly) |
| 17:29.48 | jordanm | xelister: use debian |
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| 17:29.55 | abrotman | !grsec |
| 17:29.55 | dpkg | grsecurity is a patch set to enhance Linux kernel security: provides an ACL system, auditing capabilities and institutes measures to prevent common system exploits. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-grsecurity2, read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian to apply. See also <kernel-package>. http://www.grsecurity.net/ #grsecurity on irc.oftc.net, ##grsecurity on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:30.00 | jordanm | xelister: debian support grsec |
| 17:30.08 | abrotman | thought there was a grsec page on the wiki |
| 17:30.09 | coredump777 | Does anyone here know a software called Ericsson OSS ? |
| 17:30.14 | coredump777 | it's a telecom thing |
| 17:30.28 | abrotman | coredump777: how is this related to Debian? |
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| 17:30.57 | paxcoder | xelister, no, it's pax as in peace (lat.), coder as in programmer. i should probably change my nick. |
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| 17:32.03 | Tux^verdreifelt | paxcoder: maybe "manufactor_pacis" |
| 17:32.11 | Tux^verdreifelt | although i presume it would be too long for fn |
| 17:32.13 | Tux^verdreifelt | :) |
| 17:32.22 | greycat | and too pretentious for... everything |
| 17:32.31 | paxcoder | XD |
| 17:32.32 | Tux^verdreifelt | lol. |
| 17:32.35 | coredump777 | abrotman, it isn't, but I am a debian user and a friend and maybe someone here knows the software. |
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| 17:32.43 | greycat | !anyone |
| 17:32.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 17:33.09 | abrotman | coredump777: eh .. why not call Ericsson ? |
| 17:34.50 | coredump777 | abrotman, nvm |
| 17:35.30 | fun2learngnu | What is the best way to request that this patch for poppler .12.4 is included in Squeeze: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/commit/?id=8c6aefb8aa8929b9c47791d3062ed3ac8512626f (I need it to properly read the pdf's we use at work) |
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| 17:35.34 | abrotman | fun2learngnu: file a bug for whatever it fixes (there probably already is one) .. and point to that patch |
| 17:35.52 | jordanm | ehh |
| 17:35.59 | stayb | which port has samba? |
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| 17:36.07 | abrotman | numerous |
| 17:36.24 | abrotman | fun2learngnu: but that's kind of old .. you sure it isn't already there? |
| 17:36.35 | jordanm | fun2learngnu: you will also want to check it against sid |
| 17:37.09 | jordanm | fun2learngnu: the poppler maintainer is currently battling it out with the release team to get the sid version included in squeeze |
| 17:37.50 | fun2learngnu | jordanm: Ok, thank you. Is there anything I can do to help? |
| 17:38.38 | jordanm | oh, wait, it was unblocked, but hes trying to get a sponsership for another debian revision |
| 17:39.28 | jordanm | fun2learngnu: http://lists.debian.org/20100812205041.d1ebd4da.michael.s.gilbert@gmail.com and http://lists.debian.org/20100815175248.12e14b32.michael.s.gilbert@gmail.com |
| 17:39.55 | fun2learngnu | Thank you. |
| 17:39.58 | jordanm | xpdf is the one he is still trying get an exception for |
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| 18:02.07 | frankjh | Hi, my gnome desktop has three methods for removing a usb pen drive: unmount,eject and safely remove. What is the difference? |
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| 18:02.34 | js_ | is there a util i can use to transform tty colors to html? |
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| 18:04.51 | jordanm | http://search.cpan.org/~autrijus/HTML-FromANSI-1.01/script/ansi2html maybe? |
| 18:05.16 | js_ | ahhh, interesting |
| 18:05.17 | js_ | thanks |
| 18:05.24 | kantor | Hi, on my keyboard the 'z' key, is not working, is there a linux program that allows me to create a key combination to print that letter wherever I want ? |
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| 18:06.20 | jordanm | kantor: likely xmodmap |
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| 18:06.44 | kantor | thanks jordanm |
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| 18:12.47 | s5s | What package do I need to make mplayer play in fulscreen mode? I know how to enable fulscreen (-fs) but it stays at 640x480 at the centre of the screen |
| 18:13.11 | petemc | -fs -zoom |
| 18:13.15 | obiwahn | zoom |
| 18:13.46 | s5s | that did it |
| 18:13.54 | fxiny | or just press f |
| 18:14.00 | obiwahn | there is a file called .mplayer/config |
| 18:14.02 | Cope | press f |
| 18:14.22 | obiwahn | you can put a lot of useful stuff in it like: |
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| 18:15.51 | obiwahn | http://paste.debian.net/85222/ |
| 18:17.05 | obiwahn | and read the manpage |
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| 18:21.58 | xelister | jordanm: incorrect |
| 18:22.11 | xelister | jordanm: with login shell /bin/false or /bin/nologin it is not possible to setup a tunel |
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| 18:25.16 | ebertocchi | Hi all, I'm on a debian squeeze installation and I'm hardly trying to prevent udev from automatically renaming the network interfaces (eth*) when the mac address changes |
| 18:25.42 | cahoot | !70 |
| 18:25.42 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 18:26.23 | jordanm | xelister: then that means it has to spawn a shell for the tunnel. you setup a restricted shell using something such as rssh |
| 18:26.58 | ebertocchi | ok, I deleted 70-persistent-net.rules and touched an empty /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
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| 18:27.32 | jordanm | ebertocchi: I believe it was intended you modify 70 to your needs, not delete it... |
| 18:27.32 | ebertocchi | but at boot my network interfaces are still named eth4 and eth5 |
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| 18:28.12 | cahoot | jordanm: no harm deleting that file |
| 18:28.17 | ebertocchi | I have 4 machine sharing the nfsroot filesystem as much as possible |
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| 18:28.29 | jordanm | cahoot: yes, but that probably isn't going to make it do what he wants |
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| 18:29.46 | xelister | what the fuck |
| 18:30.17 | xelister | why the loginshell can't be a shell script... what "Exec format error" |
| 18:30.24 | b0rsuk | Hi, I need help. I'm stuck in what looks like 320x200 and can't google comfortably. I tried to install nvidia drivers on Debian Squeeze (the "Debian Way"). I get to the point where I'm supposed to edit xorg.conf. Except there's no Xorg.conf anymore, it's supposed to configure itself. Now what ? I restarted X, but it still doesn't work. |
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| 18:30.33 | xelister | oh.. my fault... #!/bin/bash |
| 18:30.44 | ebertocchi | do you know is there any other source for eth* naming besides /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 18:31.10 | b0rsuk | How do I perform the equivalent of inserting "Load glx" into Xorg.conf if there's no Xorg.conf ? |
| 18:31.47 | cahoot | b0rsuk: creat a xorg.conf |
| 18:32.00 | Argafal | I'm looking for a suitable channel for a cryptsetup question. I'm trying to mount an old harddrive (pre-luks) and i can't figure out how. |
| 18:33.06 | xelister | Argafal: ##security ##linux .. afair man cryptsetup said about how to mount old. also, google, bing |
| 18:33.18 | jordanm | b0rsuk: should be automatic |
| 18:33.52 | Argafal | xelister: yeah, i read man cryptsetup multiple times, also the changelog and tried everything i could find. |
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| 18:34.21 | jordanm | b0rsuk: i missed for your first question |
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| 18:34.38 | b0rsuk | jordan: Is there any info you would find helpful ? Like that I have Geforce 8800 GTS ? |
| 18:34.46 | jordanm | b0rsuk: use nvidia-xconfig to generate a xorg.conf (actually XF86conf in squeeze), like suggested on the wiki |
| 18:36.14 | b0rsuk | In the wiki they slightly discourage using nvidia-xconfig, but I think I'll try that. |
| 18:36.25 | b0rsuk | Or alternatively... how about Xorg -configure ? |
| 18:36.39 | jordanm | b0rsuk: that is because it will toast debconf gnerated keyboard settings |
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| 18:37.15 | b0rsuk | Then I'll try Xorg -configure first. |
| 18:37.17 | jordanm | b0rsuk: you can use that, but will still need to hand-edit after. I have not hand edited a xorg.conf since I stopped using gentoo.... (and most of my machines have nvidia) |
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| 18:38.45 | ebertocchi | Anyway, I've found that creating a fully functional shared nfsroot workstation set is much more difficult that I supposed... |
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| 18:39.44 | dokma | anyone knows if debians sed accepts [^abc] notation? |
| 18:39.55 | jordanm | dokma: its GNU's sed |
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| 18:40.04 | dokma | whatever |
| 18:40.10 | dokma | does it accept the notation |
| 18:40.11 | jordanm | dokma: #sed |
| 18:40.40 | dokma | jordanm: that's a much more useful reply |
| 18:40.42 | dokma | thank you |
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| 18:41.25 | jordanm | dokma: both should be catenated into a single reply. my statement about it being "GNU's sed" was to pass on to the sed folks... |
| 18:41.42 | ebertocchi | a lot of files are machine-related, i.e. local raid are based on uuids, which changes from machine to machine.. no nfsroot documentation told me that :| |
| 18:42.30 | jordanm | ebertocchi: you can use filesystem labels in most cases instead of UUIDs, which are not site-specific |
| 18:43.00 | jordanm | ebertocchi: you may also want to look into something like ltsp, depending on your goals of a nfs root |
| 18:43.16 | b0rsuk | jordanm: Is losing debconf-generated keyboard settings a very bad thing ? Can I backup or re-generate them ? |
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| 18:43.27 | ebertocchi | I used raid version 1.2 superblock, which allows manual labeling |
| 18:43.47 | jordanm | b0rsuk: you can regenerate them. if you only speak and type in one language, I really don't think it matters |
| 18:43.49 | b0rsuk | The 'X -configure' generated file gives me black screen. |
| 18:44.06 | jordanm | b0rsuk: did you edit it afterward, like I said you would have to? |
| 18:44.19 | b0rsuk | jordanm: "you can regenerate them if you only speak and type" ? I use 2 languages. |
| 18:44.46 | b0rsuk | jordanm: I didn't, but it appeared ok on first glance (at least it had Load "glx" line) |
| 18:45.07 | jordanm | b0rsuk: you also need to specify the right driver, as indicated by the wiki |
| 18:45.49 | eshat | Does anyone hasi am looking for an HowTo for creating SSL Certifactes for my apache webserver, isn't there a package for such thing ? |
| 18:45.57 | b0rsuk | Ugh. Installing elinks... |
| 18:46.03 | eshat | s/Does anyone has// |
| 18:46.32 | jordanm | b0rsuk: Driver "nvidia" |
| 18:46.34 | ebertocchi | jordanm: no, the machines are 32Gb, 2x4 cores Xeons and are used for numerical calculations; the nfsroot was a way to keep them in sync without too much hassle |
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| 18:47.12 | jordanm | ebertocchi: I am not real experienced with big enterprise stuff, but isn't that what puppet is for? |
| 18:48.00 | b0rsuk | jordanm: I'm pretty sure it already is "nvidia", but it still doesn't work. |
| 18:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | b0rsuk: I think what you want to do is generate an xorg.conf file with X -configure, then edit that file as appropriate to the new driver. |
| 18:48.27 | petemc | eshat: ssl-cert |
| 18:48.43 | eshat | petemc: thanks I'll check that |
| 18:48.49 | petemc | eshat: using a self signed cert is a pain with modern browsers |
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| 18:49.36 | jordanm | b0rsuk: pastebin the xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you are still having trouble |
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| 18:51.06 | b0rsuk | jordanm: Can you tell me how to use pastebin without X working ? I never did it from console. |
| 18:51.17 | jordanm | b0rsuk: what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:51.20 | b0rsuk | I mean, how to copy/paste text ? |
| 18:51.24 | b0rsuk | Squeeze |
| 18:51.32 | jordanm | !tell b0rsuk about pastebinit |
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| 18:52.15 | rozie | b0rsuk: package managers have search function. wajig search pastebin ;-) |
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| 18:52.41 | b0rsuk | rozie: It never occured to me there might be a *package* for pastebin. |
| 18:53.16 | jordanm | i typically don't recommend the pastebinit package because of #572728 |
| 18:53.25 | jordanm | it is the easiest in this case though |
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| 18:56.05 | b0rsuk | By the way, maybe I'm retarded but during my years of using Linux I never learned a straightforward way to copy text between terminals (alt-f1, alt-f2, etc). Is there any ? |
| 18:56.23 | Justin | b0rsuk: gpm can do that, but then youd have to use gpn |
| 18:56.28 | Justin | b0rsuk: easiest way is just to use screen |
| 18:57.09 | ebertocchi | I just put everything back in order, and manually edited the automatically created /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (which shows strangely just an eth4 and an eth5) to a more usual "eth0" and "eth1". What happened? after boot the interfaces are still named eth4 and eth5. It seems that something is bypassing udev config files. This seem strange to anyone, doesn't it? |
| 18:57.19 | b0rsuk | Ok, my xorg.conf (which results in black screen) is at: http://pastebin.com/uFKk9myv |
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| 18:57.51 | greycat | yeah, back in the days when people regularly used gpm, it was common enough to copy stuff between text consoles using that |
| 18:58.03 | greycat | I haven't used gpm in years |
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| 18:59.18 | Justin | screen is better in almost every way. for one, you can copy more than one screenful of text |
| 18:59.20 | jordanm | b0rsuk: and the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:59.57 | b0rsuk | Hmm. I get (EE): Failed to initialize GLX extension (compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 19:00.08 | jordanm | b0rsuk: sounds like you didn't install nvidia-glx |
| 19:00.11 | Justin | and generally you shouldn't need to copy and paste things since you can just dump the output of one command to a temporary file and then insert it somewhere else |
| 19:00.19 | b0rsuk | But I did, using module-assistant. |
| 19:00.30 | greycat | Justin: screen is worse in one very important way: it requires learning obscure keystroke combinations instead of a mouse. |
| 19:00.31 | Justin | b0rsuk: that's nvidia-kernel-blahblah, not nvidia-glx |
| 19:00.35 | jordanm | b0rsuk: no, thats the kernel modules, nvidia-glx is the xorg module. both are required |
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| 19:00.44 | Justin | greycat: it's only one keystroke combo :) |
| 19:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | ebertocchi: Didn't the factoid mention using something to restart the hal process? |
| 19:01.25 | jhutchins_lt | ebertocchi: You could grep the udev directory and see if you can find it. |
| 19:01.32 | jordanm | b0rsuk: I would like to do something about that nvidia page... making it easier to follow, but it seems to come along with a strange liciense from a debian regular on oftc... |
| 19:01.38 | b0rsuk | dpkg -l nvidia-glx shows: ii nvidia-glix 195.36.24-4 |
| 19:01.38 | dpkg | ii nvidia-glx shows: ii nvidia-glix 195.36.24-4 2.2-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:01.42 | jhutchins_lt | ebertocchi: There's also a way to do it with device aliases if they use different modules. |
| 19:02.10 | ebertocchi | jhutchins_lt: you mean /etc/udev/*? |
| 19:02.14 | b0rsuk | jordanm: I have a personal vendetta against sucky documentation. It made me learn docutils and latex |
| 19:02.25 | jhutchins_lt | ebertocchi: grep -r /etc/udev |
| 19:02.32 | jordanm | This wiki page was created by Philippe Cloutier to publish an update to Andrew's Debian-nVidia HOWTO. You are free to modify this page as long as you agree to let copyright of your changes to the author. |
| 19:03.01 | jordanm | does anyone know what that means exactly legal-wise? can someone really say that if I edit a wiki page my changes belong under the copyright of someone else? |
| 19:03.04 | b0rsuk | Ok, so according to dpkg -l, My nvidia-glx is, in fact, installed |
| 19:03.13 | jhutchins_lt | wonders why they keep making cards that aren't backward compatible. |
| 19:03.21 | jordanm | b0rsuk: pastebin the full log |
| 19:03.25 | b0rsuk | doesn't believe in imaginary property. |
| 19:04.24 | b0rsuk | jordanm: full log at http://pastebin.com/TvSs5rK7 |
| 19:04.44 | greycat | jordanm: IANAL, but as I understand it, you would retain copyright for your own work, but you might or might not also provide the wiki's owner with another copyright to that same work. That would probably depend on the jurisdiction, etc. |
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| 19:06.17 | Justin | b0rsuk: you dont have driver "nvidia" anywhere in your x config? |
| 19:06.27 | jordanm | greycat: thanks |
| 19:06.37 | jordanm | b0rsuk: and the file you showed before is /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
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| 19:07.05 | b0rsuk | jordanm: yes, I ran it with sudo X -config /home/b0rsuk/xorg.conf.new |
| 19:07.07 | ebertocchi | jhutchins_lt: find /etc/udev -exec grep -H eth {} \; doesn't show anything but my two rules lines |
| 19:07.15 | Justin | b0rsuk: # |
| 19:07.15 | Justin | (EE) Unable to locate/open config file: "xorg.conf.new" |
| 19:07.46 | b0rsuk | ....since if I run it as a normal user I get an endless stream of error messages (permissions and stuff) |
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| 19:07.57 | jhutchins_lt | ebertocchi: That's kinda like cat | grep, but oh well. Worth a shot. |
| 19:08.18 | jordanm | b0rsuk: I have never ran it with that syntax, but apparently it expects /etc/X11/xorg.conf.new instead of xorg.conf now |
| 19:08.44 | jordanm | b0rsuk: your xorg configurations are not being used at all |
| 19:08.47 | jhutchins_lt | Helps keep from destroying things. |
| 19:08.52 | moldovean | b0rsuk, try sudo X -config /home/root/xorg.conf.new |
| 19:09.04 | jhutchins_lt | /home/root? |
| 19:09.09 | moldovean | ah , |
| 19:09.10 | b0rsuk | moldovean: That's what I did. |
| 19:09.12 | jordanm | wth |
| 19:09.21 | b0rsuk | Ah, home/root |
| 19:09.25 | moldovean | b0rsuk, sudo X -config /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 19:09.36 | b0rsuk | But... but... it's not there ! |
| 19:09.43 | jordanm | b0rsuk: 'X -configure' move it from the location it generates it in to the proper location |
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| 19:10.22 | moldovean | b0rsuk, X -configure generate /root/xorg.conf.new |
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| 19:11.13 | b0rsuk | Ok, I cp'ed it from my home dir to /etc/X11/xorg.conf . How to run it ? I performed sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start, but it didn't work. |
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| 19:11.55 | b0rsuk | ... without restarting ? |
| 19:12.16 | moldovean | you can't without restarting |
| 19:12.33 | b0rsuk | moldovean: Restaring my entire computer, not just X server ? |
| 19:12.38 | jordanm | b0rsuk: 'startx' |
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| 19:13.41 | greycat | b0rsuk: or "startx -- :1" to start a second instance, in some situations |
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| 19:14.23 | b0rsuk | I get the message about X already running at display 0, so I guess I'll try what the greycat says |
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| 19:14.29 | b0rsuk | or kill -9 ? |
| 19:14.40 | moldovean | greycat, as new user only (it seems) |
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| 19:14.49 | jordanm | b0rsuk: you almost never want -9 |
| 19:14.58 | b0rsuk | jordanm: and why is that ? |
| 19:15.10 | b0rsuk | jordanm: overkill, or evil ? |
| 19:15.24 | greycat | kill -9ing an X server is likely to leave your console in an unusable state |
| 19:15.24 | jordanm | b0rsuk: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement#I.27m_trying_to_kill_-9_my_job_but_blah_blah_blah... |
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| 19:16.07 | b0rsuk | ....am I supposed to write that long link down ? ;[ |
| 19:16.17 | grawity | Hey. What's the Debian way to disable all that split-config/macro/debconf stuff for exim4? I want to just use one simple exim4.conf. |
| 19:16.24 | grawity | b0rsuk: copy/paste? |
| 19:16.33 | greycat | You don't need the # part. |
| 19:16.37 | b0rsuk | grawity: how do I copy from irssi ? |
| 19:16.41 | jordanm | b0rsuk: well, if you were using erc, you would be a M-w and M-x w3m away :) |
| 19:16.43 | b0rsuk | Text terminal ? |
| 19:16.44 | grawity | b0rsuk: With your mouse |
| 19:17.03 | grawity | Unless you don't have one... |
| 19:17.07 | damien80 | hi |
| 19:17.37 | jordanm | b0rsuk: that is not important atm though, something to look at later when you have a working xserver |
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| 19:18.15 | b0rsuk | is ashamed to admit it Just Worked after copying the file into the right directory. |
| 19:18.25 | damien80 | im on squeeze debian system and i have some problems with the last kernel and Xserver |
| 19:18.58 | b0rsuk | Apparently I have been too clever with trying fancy -config parameter. Stoopid methods work better. |
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| 19:19.59 | b0rsuk | Thank you all, I'll restart my computer just to kill my paranoia (see if it works). |
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| 19:20.31 | damien80 | 2.6.32 amd64 don't work with my computer suystem |
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| 19:22.37 | thewanderer1 | give me a name of a music player (preferably GTK) with equalizer |
| 19:22.50 | moldovean | audacious |
| 19:23.07 | thewanderer1 | does it play streams? (pls) |
| 19:23.13 | moldovean | yes |
| 19:23.17 | grawity | .pls are playlists, not streams... |
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| 19:23.26 | thewanderer1 | I know, it was a shortcut :P |
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| 19:23.31 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 19:23.41 | greycat | I read it as "please". Stupid me. |
| 19:23.53 | thewanderer1 | online gamer? :P |
| 19:24.04 | greycat | is #debian a game? |
| 19:24.16 | thewanderer1 | well... it depends on the hours :P |
| 19:24.18 | moldovean | thewanderer1, vlc too |
| 19:24.22 | grawity | sighs |
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| 19:24.28 | grawity | goes off to Google. |
| 19:24.37 | thewanderer1 | moldovean: thanks, I just need a music player not an operating system similar to Emacs |
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| 19:24.43 | damien80 | nexuiz game is a good game |
| 19:24.57 | thewanderer1 | yes, just not for my laptop :P |
| 19:25.24 | damien80 | :) |
| 19:25.52 | damien80 | with my GTX275 nexuiz is very good |
| 19:26.00 | thewanderer1 | no doubt about that :P |
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| 19:28.21 | thewanderer1 | hmm ok, Audacity works nice |
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| 19:28.47 | xelister | uhm.. |
| 19:28.55 | xelister | cron jobs are run as which user? as root? |
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| 19:29.08 | greycat | whoever made the job with 'crontab -e' |
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| 19:29.25 | greycat | if it's from /etc/crontab then it's whoever's name is in the 6th field |
| 19:29.32 | xelister | ok so root.. why given script files when running from cron and works normally |
| 19:29.48 | xelister | I suppose env is somehow castrated in cron? |
| 19:29.51 | greycat | yes |
| 19:29.59 | xelister | HOME is missing? how to restore it? need to open root's ssh keys |
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| 19:30.28 | grawity | cron cannot possibly know the environment of your login session, so it only creates a basic one... But $HOME is _always_ present. |
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| 19:31.10 | xelister | how to execute something as if it would be run under cron for testing? but to see the output and not to wait 1 minute |
| 19:31.12 | greycat | OK, *third* bloody try and I finally found the page that has the documentation for this... it's in crontab(5). |
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| 19:31.46 | greycat | I tried crontab(1) and cron(8) first.... |
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| 19:32.21 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.26 | Justin | greycat: man(1) ? :) |
| 19:32.42 | thewanderer1 | can I put Audacious to tray? |
| 19:32.44 | greycat | xelister: env - HOME="$HOME" SHELL=/bin/sh LOGNAME="$LOGNAME" PATH=/usr/bin:/bin your job here </dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 19:33.05 | Andy-at-home | guys, how can i upgrade my python to 2.5 or 2.6? |
| 19:33.10 | Justin | I think most crontab issues would be alleviated by having the default crontab file contain extensive examples |
| 19:33.15 | greycat | moldovean: I tried cron(8) (which is what "man cron" would produce) second. That wasn't it. |
| 19:33.24 | thewanderer1 | Andy-at-home: aptitude install python-2.5 or 2.6 |
| 19:33.44 | moldovean | greycat, ok |
| 19:33.44 | Justin | greycat: that's why it has SEE ALSO crontab(1), crontab(5) |
| 19:34.24 | greycat | I don't really understand why Linux has crontab(1) and crontab(5) separated like that. Oh well. |
| 19:35.03 | thewanderer1 | greycat: (1) is user-accessible commands, while (5) is file syntax, ok? |
| 19:35.13 | Andy-at-home | ok, how do i install aptitude? |
| 19:35.24 | greycat | apt-get install aptitude |
| 19:35.34 | grawity | argh |
| 19:35.34 | thewanderer1 | Andy-at-home: if you do not have aptitude, you're not on Debian or have done something stupid |
| 19:35.41 | jordanm | Andy-at-home: its part of a base install, have you removed it? |
| 19:35.43 | grawity | Where is "the Exim 4 Debian svn repository"? |
| 19:35.50 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Your cron example obfuscates output. |
| 19:36.03 | Andy-at-home | nah mate, would remove it, been a nightmare without it |
| 19:36.09 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: Hmm, true. |
| 19:36.09 | Andy-at-home | wouldnt* |
| 19:36.14 | jordanm | grawity: I would guess somewhere on alioth, but you were probably guessing that too :) |
| 19:36.17 | grawity | yep |
| 19:36.26 | Andy-at-home | apt-get isnt there either, just yum |
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| 19:36.33 | jordanm | Andy-at-home: thats not debian |
| 19:36.39 | thewanderer1 | Andy-at-home: you're at a wrong channel :P |
| 19:36.56 | greycat | xelister: env - HOME="$HOME" SHELL=/bin/sh LOGNAME="$LOGNAME" PATH=/usr/bin:/bin your job here </dev/null 2>&1 | mail yourname # is probably closer to a real cron environment, except for the part about not mailing if stdout+stderr length == 0 |
| 19:37.00 | moldovean | yum ? opensuse ? |
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| 19:37.09 | jhutchins_lt | yum is usually an RPM manager. |
| 19:37.11 | thewanderer1 | or fedora |
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| 19:37.25 | thewanderer1 | (OpenSUSE uses Zypper now, I believe) |
| 19:37.29 | greycat | You don't install Debian's package manager on another OS. That makes no sense. |
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| 19:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... "apt-cache show rpm" |
| 19:39.11 | grawity | *sigh* |
| 19:39.17 | grawity | Now it hangs at "CVS password:" |
| 19:39.31 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it wants you to enter it... :P |
| 19:39.39 | grawity | I pressed Enter like a ton of times. |
| 19:39.47 | grawity | 'When prompted for a password for anonymous, simply press the Enter key.' |
| 19:39.58 | grawity | I think I'll just install postfix. |
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| 19:40.57 | thewanderer1 | :P |
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| 19:42.02 | grawity | because /exim/exim4-config-simple/ is, of course, empty. |
| 19:42.07 | greycat | dare I ask why you would need an svn repository for exim? |
| 19:42.21 | grawity | http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.etch.html |
| 19:42.28 | grawity | <quote> The Exim 4 Debian svn repository holds sources for a exim4-config-simple package which contains a simple, not debconf-driven configuration scheme as example which can be used as template for a classical, exim4.conf based configuration scheme |
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| 19:42.56 | grawity | so, as I said, I want to use a simple exim4.conf |
| 19:43.23 | jordanm | I find debconf alone being suitable for most situations |
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| 19:43.35 | OpenTokix | grawity: /usr/share/doc/exim4/examples |
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| 19:43.57 | jordanm | it does offer to not split the configuration files as well |
| 19:43.57 | OpenTokix | grawity: or you can apt-get install exim4-config && dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:43.57 | thewanderer1 | grawity: is anything stopping you from using the web interface to obtain the configs? |
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| 19:44.17 | grawity | OpenTokix: as I said, I want to use a simple exim4.conf, without debconf or autogeneration. |
| 19:44.38 | grawity | thewanderer1: the...web interface? |
| 19:44.55 | thewanderer1 | grawity: like this: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-exim4/exim4-config-simple/trunk/exim4-config-simple/debian/#_exim4-config-simple_trunk_exim4-config-simple_debian_ |
| 19:45.45 | grawity | That's quite a lot of files :| I have no idea which ones are needed to build the exim4-config-simple package... |
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| 19:46.30 | thewanderer1 | this http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-exim4/exim4-config-simple/trunk/exim4-config-simple/debian/exim4.conf.source looks like the default config or so |
| 19:46.59 | thewanderer1 | let's not indulge in the habit of saying "there's a deb for that!" :P |
| 19:47.25 | grawity | I already have a config from another system... But the problem is, if I don't create a deb for that, everything will still be managed by debconf and the update-exim4.conf script, won't it? |
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| 19:48.20 | thewanderer1 | er, config files don't get updated unless you tell dpkg to, do they? |
| 19:49.06 | grawity | I was thinking that the config file - something in /var - is auto-generated using that script every time exim is started through /etc/init.d |
| 19:49.19 | jordanm | grawity: afaik, debconf will not touch update-exim4.conf unless you explictly call dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:49.46 | jhutchins_lt | grawity: No, if you've changed a config file from the debian standard, dpkg will respect that and not overwrite it. |
| 19:49.48 | thewanderer1 | dares to say that postfix is more logical :P |
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| 19:50.37 | grawity | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.37 | grawity | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.38 | grawity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.42 | grawity | From the init.d script... |
| 19:50.46 | grawity | Yeah, I'll go postfix. |
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| 19:52.56 | karlpinc | grawity: That's interesting. Debian policy says user modified config files should not be messed with by the packaging system, but I guess that does not apply to the applications themselves. (I find postfix very sane myself.) |
| 19:53.34 | jhutchins_lt | What happens is that exim scans the user configuration files for changes and amalgamates them into the master config file. |
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| 19:53.51 | jhutchins_lt | It incorporates any user changes in the source files. |
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| 19:54.01 | gnarface | amalgamates, nice word |
| 19:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | It's a little like sendmail using m4 files and generating the actual config from them, but automated. |
| 19:54.20 | jordanm | grawity: upex4conf? |
| 19:54.25 | jordanm | ,file upex4conf --release sid |
| 19:54.28 | grawity | jordanm: a function in the same init.d script. |
| 19:54.28 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:54.35 | jordanm | grawity: are you still using etch? |
| 19:54.37 | gnarface | is it automated? i thought you had to run update-exim4.conf manually? |
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| 19:54.45 | grawity | jordanm: Squeeze. |
| 19:54.52 | jordanm | ,file upex4conf --release squeeze |
| 19:54.55 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:55.00 | grawity | jhutchins_lt: Except you can't go insane writing exim4.conf :) |
| 19:55.07 | jordanm | grawity: I had never heard of that command and I am not sure it exists |
| 19:55.10 | grawity | jordanm: ...as I said, it's a function defined in /etc/init.d/exim4 |
| 19:55.19 | jordanm | grawity: oh, I see |
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| 19:57.06 | gnarface | grawity: what's wrong with your exim? |
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| 19:58.18 | grawity | gnarface: There's nothing wrong -- except for my personal preference of using a plain simple exim4.conf |
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| 19:59.42 | gnarface | grawity: oh. i guess somewhere along the line someone tried to make it simpler for you but failed |
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| 20:00.22 | greycat | I'm curious how the "just give me a monolithic conf file" option in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config failed to meet your standard |
| 20:00.48 | greycat | I'm also curious how that option differs from this old etch package thing you've dug up |
| 20:01.02 | jordanm | I can understand resistance to configuration changes. I could not stand auto-magic X when it was first shoved down my throat |
| 20:01.51 | grawity | greycat: Well, I still would like to get rid of the macro thing. ".ifndef", ".endif"... |
| 20:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | shoves a knife down jordanms throat |
| 20:02.17 | grawity | Hmm, maybe I'm just supposed to create a /etc/exim4/exim4.conf and the script will notice it |
| 20:03.04 | greycat | *shrug* if I want to do anything more than send all mail to a smarthost, I always rip out exim and replace it with qmail. |
| 20:03.07 | jordanm | grawity: if you select not to use a split configuration file in debconf, it uses a single exim4.conf |
| 20:03.15 | grawity | jordanm: no, it uses a exim4.conf.template |
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| 20:03.52 | gnarface | greycat: exim4 takes a config template (monolithic or otherwise, depending on your answer to dpkg-reconfigure) then when you run update-exim4.conf it generates the REAL config from your template and puts it in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated - some people would rather reduce all those steps. i'm not one of those people; i could care less either way as long as it works. |
| 20:04.08 | grawity | I guess my problem is that I'm an Arch user... so naturally I'm resistant to anything that introduces internal complexity. |
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| 20:05.01 | jordanm | well, I think he was adding the complexity... |
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| 20:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | carved his first public mailserver's sendmail config from scratch without m4. |
| 20:05.49 | jordanm | I also thought for whatever reason he was on the debian-x team |
| 20:05.52 | streuner | greycat: yeah, we know, but qmail just sucks :-P |
| 20:06.13 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, that's the first time konversation has recovered from suspend automatically. |
| 20:06.14 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: my work's is still rolling without m4's |
| 20:06.26 | greycat | You have to apply the oversize-DNS-patch to qmail now to send mail to bugs.debian.org. Found that out the hard way. |
| 20:06.57 | gnarface | exim4 is really nice actually. it's well thought-out and massively scalable and extensible. the only problem is that learning the config file syntax is more complicated than learning some programming languages |
| 20:07.49 | gnarface | recommends anyone buy and read the book published by cambrige |
| 20:07.59 | Cope | exim4 is aweosme - philip hazel's book is a must though |
| 20:08.03 | Cope | gnarface: yes indeed |
| 20:08.08 | gnarface | er, Cambridge, i mean |
| 20:08.23 | Cope | gnarface: it's on my desk at all times :) |
| 20:08.29 | jordanm | yes, my last job had philip hazel's book, which I got to read, but I need to get a copy for myself to reference |
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| 20:09.29 | greycat | netqmail 1.06 20071130 We will distribute a Netqmail 1.07 shortly which includes enhancements. |
| 20:09.43 | greycat | FSVO "shortly" apparently |
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| 20:09.52 | codingrobot | from time to time spamd segfaults (i have had this problem for years on different machines). is this "normal"? |
| 20:10.10 | thewanderer1 | codingrobot: no segfaults are normal :P |
| 20:10.23 | codingrobot | i know, but spamd is not normal... |
| 20:10.29 | Cope | codingrobot: you're not the only person i've heard have issues |
| 20:10.41 | gnarface | the only thing that worries me about qmail is that the license includes a very non-open-source-compatible clause that says djb can basically decide to revoke your right to use it for any reason or no reason |
| 20:10.41 | codingrobot | tried recompiling the deb on the local machine - same error |
| 20:11.18 | codingrobot | sometimes it comes from libc, sometimes from libdb or even libperl |
| 20:11.25 | Cope | gnarface: I've worked at an ISP that used qmail... it's kind powerful, but I didn't really warm to it. |
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| 20:11.53 | codingrobot | is there an actually working alternative to spamd? |
| 20:12.03 | gnarface | codingrobot: no :( |
| 20:12.15 | greycat | by spamd, do you mean SpamAssassin's? |
| 20:12.17 | jordanm | !tell codingrobot about bts |
| 20:12.22 | codingrobot | yep |
| 20:12.30 | thewanderer1 | "qmail's source code is in the public domain, making qmail free software" according to Wikipedia - nobody can revoke your right, unless Wikipedia is wrong |
| 20:12.31 | gnarface | !tell gnarface about bts |
| 20:12.33 | streuner | there is, just turn off internet :-P |
| 20:12.42 | ripero | Hi, I found a bug that i think has an incorrect release tag, what should I do? |
| 20:12.42 | DanDare | Hello. In Lenny, how to boot "recovery mode" in the grub splash screen ? |
| 20:12.48 | gnarface | damnit |
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| 20:12.58 | gnarface | i was hoping that bts was some new spam blocker i'd not heard of |
| 20:12.58 | jordanm | codingrobot: although it should not cause a segfaulting difference, you should be using the packages from volatile |
| 20:12.58 | codingrobot | jordanm: i think thats spamassassin's problem, not debian |
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| 20:13.17 | jordanm | codingrobot: problems with debian software get reported to debian then forwarded upstream |
| 20:13.20 | greycat | DanDare: if you have a menu with 2 or more choices, you can arrow down to the one that says "safe mode" or "single-user mode" or whatever the label is |
| 20:13.21 | gnarface | DanDare: hit the down arrow then hit enter |
| 20:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, and we all know Wikipedia is never wrong... it's checked daily by thousands of volunteers for its accuracy.... can you say the same about reality?... so if in doubt, reality is wrong |
| 20:13.39 | DanDare | ok so thanks greycat gnarface |
| 20:15.11 | moldovean | DanDare, but why you want to do in "recovery mode" ? |
| 20:15.17 | ripero | Does anybody know about the Debian bug tracking system? |
| 20:15.26 | moldovean | !bts |
| 20:15.26 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 20:15.38 | streuner | ripero: please give us more details |
| 20:15.56 | ripero | streuner: I think the release tag of a bug is incorrect |
| 20:16.21 | ripero | what should I do? |
| 20:17.09 | greycat | which bug number is it? |
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| 20:17.12 | Gijs | hey all |
| 20:17.23 | Gijs | how to show IPs on your server? |
| 20:17.37 | gnarface | Gijs: ifconfig -a |
| 20:18.04 | Gijs | and how to add a ip? |
| 20:18.08 | ripero | greycat: 418972, it is tagged as [STUE], but it only talks about Etch (O) |
| 20:18.09 | greycat | man interfaces |
| 20:18.22 | streuner | !dbugs 418972 |
| 20:18.26 | dpkg | #418972:G[installation-reports] cdrom: Etch does not detect CD-ROM on Acer Aspire 7100 (); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:15:01 UTC [] |
| 20:18.40 | streuner | omg |
| 20:19.06 | greycat | It's a bug against "installation-reports". That's not a real package. |
| 20:19.17 | greycat | Why do you think any action is required? |
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| 20:20.06 | streuner | (who cares about a 3 years old bug anyway...) |
| 20:20.09 | moldovean | and Etch is no more supported |
| 20:20.25 | Cope | remembers etch quite fondly |
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| 20:20.52 | streuner | there are daily builds of d-i s |
| 20:21.10 | gnarface | hey that reminds me; i've got a weird issue - my dvd-rom drive doesn't open on the first push of the eject button, EVER. i always have to wait for it to make some noise then push it again. i think dbus is screwing up and closing it before it opens the first time. anyone else seen or heard of this issue? i really think it was a mistake to have dbus mess with optical drive mount/ejection directly |
| 20:21.14 | streuner | but, 3 years? nobody cares much |
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| 20:21.34 | ripero | I went to a page with "testing release critical bugs" ( http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html ), and it was there, so I wondered if it was increasing some sort of count |
| 20:22.00 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: dbus? cd-rom? they have nothing in common, you must mean hal... just kill hald-addon-storage, it's not like you needed it :P |
| 20:22.04 | greycat | gnarface: mine takes multiple tries to open, sometimes, but I've been assuming it is failing hardware |
| 20:22.14 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: hal-addon-storage? |
| 20:22.33 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: You can tell it not to scan, but then you have to mount manually. |
| 20:22.33 | thewanderer1 | I have no way to test this cd-rom stuff now, I have no optical drives :P |
| 20:22.39 | greycat | The number of tries that mine takes is not consistent. |
| 20:23.00 | thewanderer1 | by the way, you should always umount before you eject - perhaps the first press just attempts an umount |
| 20:23.05 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt, thewanderer1 probably that's the issue. how do i tell it not to scan? i prefer to mount manually. |
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| 20:23.29 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: hal-disable-polling --device /dev/scd0 |
| 20:23.29 | gnarface | greycat: i have been assuming that it's failing software that will hasten hardware failure, that's why i want to disable it |
| 20:23.31 | jordanm | ripero: installation-reports would be a bit off, as it does not have a version, and thus, not a version that would be specifically for testing |
| 20:23.33 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: there's an option in GNOME for it |
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| 20:23.54 | thewanderer1 | hm, I haven't used hal for ages, too |
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| 20:24.14 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: am i missing a package i need? i'm not running gnome and i don't have that binary |
| 20:24.26 | jhutchins_lt | lenny? |
| 20:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | judd: file hal-disable-polling |
| 20:24.48 | judd | hal-disable-polling in lenny/i386: hal: usr/bin/hal-disable-polling |
| 20:25.22 | thewanderer1 | xdm + lxde/some-obscure-wm don't need hal |
| 20:26.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions hal |
| 20:26.07 | judd | hal -- etch: 0.5.8.1-9etch1; lenny: 0.5.11-8; sid: 0.5.14-3; squeeze: 0.5.14-3 |
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| 20:26.36 | gnarface | something installed hal and i'm not sure i'm happy about that |
| 20:26.46 | gnarface | so should i actually be asking how to disable hal entirely? |
| 20:27.01 | streuner | !hal |
| 20:27.01 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is <freedesktop.org> project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. Deprecated, see <devicekit> and http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval |
| 20:27.15 | jordanm | gnarface: aptitude why hal |
| 20:27.20 | gnarface | i don't even know why it's in there. all i know is it showed up one day and started jerking around with my optical drives. i *liked* having to mount them manually |
| 20:27.37 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, me too. |
| 20:27.40 | ripero | jordanm: I see your point, but in any case I think this bug shouldn't be considered/counted as a release-critical bug for squeeze |
| 20:27.57 | jhutchins_lt | Do NOT like a window popping up in the middle of what I'm doing every time I jostle the drive. |
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| 20:28.08 | jordanm | ripero: right, and when it gets closer to release, it will not. I do not see a sane way of filtering that out automatically however |
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| 20:29.01 | streuner | ripero: no worries, people of debian-boot just tested about 1000 different kernels between :-P |
| 20:29.27 | streuner | (they dont give a damn about a 3 year old bug) |
| 20:30.15 | ripero | jordanm, streuner: I just thought that decreasing the count (even in a trivial way) may make happier some people |
| 20:30.31 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. kpowersave requires hal. |
| 20:30.46 | ripero | thanks for your insights |
| 20:30.56 | jordanm | ripero: you can downgrade the severity yourself, or close, if you are sure it is no longer an issue |
| 20:31.23 | ripero | can I? |
| 20:31.36 | jhutchins_lt | You can only be sure that a bug is fixed if you could reproduce the bug but with the fix you can't. If you haven't ever reproduced it, you can't close it. |
| 20:32.14 | jordanm | ripero: yes, see the "bts" command |
| 20:32.36 | jordanm | ripero: triage away :) |
| 20:33.35 | jhutchins_lt | ripero: I think it's generally considered standard procedure to contact the original poster and ask them to confirm whether the bug is still valid. |
| 20:33.43 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt, thewanderer1 interesting note - i don't appear to have hal installed. this couldn't be dbus-daemon instead? it appears to be running twice |
| 20:34.13 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: dbus does not interact with any drives in any way on its own |
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| 20:34.26 | thewanderer1 | dbus is only a method of inter-process communication |
| 20:34.51 | moldovean | distributed bus ? |
| 20:35.11 | ripero | jhutchins_lt: ok, I think I'll do that, anyways |
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| 20:35.57 | gnarface | i have libhal-dev, libhal-storage1 and libhal1 installed. but hal itself is marked "rc" by dpkg -l |
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| 20:36.28 | gnarface | dbus shows up 3 times in ps aux |
| 20:36.57 | gnarface | could dbus be doing something with libhal-storage1 to poll the drives without the hal package itself? |
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| 20:37.16 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: in this case, that was done 2 years ago, without reply |
| 20:37.27 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: I've got a -launch and two -daemon |
| 20:38.00 | jordanm | I have 4 dbus procs. do I win? |
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| 20:40.08 | gnarface | so what's dbus for? |
| 20:40.16 | greycat | :win jordanm |
| 20:40.19 | greycat | !win jordanm |
| 20:40.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, jordanm! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
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| 20:40.57 | jordanm | ,info dbus |
| 20:40.59 | judd | dbus (devel, optional): simple interprocess messaging system. Version: 1.2.1-5+lenny1; Size: 224.8k; Installed: 604k; Homepage: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/ |
| 20:41.18 | jordanm | communication between two applications |
| 20:41.32 | gnarface | isn't that what stdio is for? |
| 20:41.35 | jordanm | or multiple applications I should say |
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| 20:42.13 | greycat | stdio kind of assumes the presence of the underlying communication layer already |
| 20:42.30 | moldovean | has 5 dbus procs |
| 20:42.33 | thewanderer1 | dbus uses sockets, many of them |
| 20:42.41 | thewanderer1 | and yes, there's nothing wrong with dbus forking |
| 20:42.55 | ScottG | I'd like to back up my root partition (sda6). Right now I am on the system using the root partition. Would it not make sense to just do a dd of sda6 to my external HD because it is currently mounted? |
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| 20:43.17 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: just copy files, not filesystem, it'll be fine |
| 20:43.18 | greycat | ScottG: don't use dd from a mounted file system. just use tar/cpio/pax/whatever. |
| 20:43.48 | ScottG | Alright that is what I thought |
| 20:43.53 | greycat | like thewanderer1 said, copy the files, not the underlying blocks of disk. |
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| 20:44.02 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: If you really want to do dd, boot from a CD. |
| 20:44.37 | greycat | Good news. The system I was trying to get TwinView to work on again... worked after they swapped the cable adapter thingy. |
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| 20:45.15 | thewanderer1 | greycat: are you using a dual-output card, or 2 graphics cards? |
| 20:45.40 | greycat | It is an NVIDIA card with a single port that has some sort of Y-cable adapter thing in it. |
| 20:45.49 | thewanderer1 | alright |
| 20:46.05 | greycat | The user bent the pin on the original cable (some cable, not sure which one), and it was replaced with a second one, and now a third one. |
| 20:46.35 | thewanderer1 | I was just wondering how to go about dual-screen on my old HP Vectra PIII, whether to choose any particular graphics card and video setup :P |
| 20:46.58 | thewanderer1 | (I could use another machine for this, if I think well) |
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| 20:47.48 | jordanm | I use twinview myself, works rather nicely. you might have trouble finding a AGP or PCI video card for something that old however |
| 20:48.06 | jordanm | well, PCI and agp in general, assuming that is pre pci-e x16 days |
| 20:48.29 | thewanderer1 | hmm ok |
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| 20:48.58 | jordanm | last I had checked (about 2 years ago), nvidia stopped PCI with the FX (5xxx) series |
| 20:50.02 | jordanm | thewanderer1: ah, they did make some new PCI ones! |
| 20:50.23 | jordanm | thewanderer1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187058 |
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| 20:50.52 | thewanderer1 | 1GB, w00t |
| 20:51.34 | thewanderer1 | I could run my Debian on this memory :P |
| 20:52.01 | moldovean | try windows too ;-) |
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| 20:52.43 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I would not be suprised if video cards *are* full computers 5 years from now |
| 20:53.17 | jordanm | or CPUs simply replaced by GPUs |
| 20:53.24 | thewanderer1 | hmm I've found some PCI computer cards recently, they include VGA output too, but I believe this is outside the scope of this channel :) |
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| 20:54.01 | thewanderer1 | thanks for letting me know about this graphics card, too |
| 20:54.20 | moldovean | jordanm, they are already ... see playstation3 |
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| 20:54.52 | jordanm | moldovean: well, that had a ppc64 chip, that I don't think was the GPU |
| 20:55.12 | moldovean | it is |
| 20:55.23 | tjader | Hi. aiccu instalation is getting stuck in the configuration step here. |
| 20:55.49 | tjader | It just prints "Configuring aiccu (20070115-9) ..." and then hangs. |
| 20:56.12 | jordanm | tjader: pastebin your command and the output. what version of debian? |
| 20:56.16 | jordanm | ,versions aiccu |
| 20:56.18 | tjader | Lenny |
| 20:56.18 | judd | aiccu -- etch-backports: 20070115-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 20070115-9; sid: 20070115-13; squeeze: 20070115-13 |
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| 20:59.52 | tjader | http://pastebin.com/dC6z0q78 |
| 21:00.08 | tjader | The points where I pressed ^C are where it hangs |
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| 21:04.45 | Raptors | Does anyone know how I can install these files? http://pastie.org/1110869 |
| 21:04.52 | Raptors | I checked, not in the repo |
| 21:04.53 | Raptors | :( |
| 21:05.01 | Raptors | I'm on 64 bit debian |
| 21:05.14 | Raptors | I have ia32-libs installed |
| 21:06.30 | daft | libgsm1-dev: /usr/lib/libgsm.so <== missing that stuff? |
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| 21:06.45 | Raptors | I have that package installed |
| 21:07.01 | Raptors | but its 64bit I believe because I'm on 64bit debian |
| 21:07.22 | daft | apt-get it from you're 32bit userland? |
| 21:07.33 | daft | that is something like a chroot right? |
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| 21:08.03 | Raptors | There isn't any other way to install it other then chroot? |
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| 21:09.23 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: you usually don't want to mess with your libraries |
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| 21:10.07 | Raptors | regrets installing 64bit |
| 21:10.32 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: get yourself an i386 chroot or stop doing whatever you're trying to do |
| 21:10.36 | keith4 | you should have a /usr/lib[64] and a /usr/lib32 |
| 21:10.38 | thewanderer1 | what are you trying to compile? |
| 21:10.56 | keith4 | thewanderer1: that's not really good advice |
| 21:11.09 | honeypuck | I found a link to download the old 64bit Adobe Flashplayer I'd like to install on my Debian (Testing with Kernel 2.6.32-5) as the 32bit workaround just uses too much CPU. As far as I can remember the 64bit version worked better, on a previous install. (Yes I know about the security issues, but I do not believe that the new 32bit version is actually any more secure. ) Does anyone know a good tutorial how to install the old 64bit version? As I' |
| 21:11.26 | thewanderer1 | I know it's not actually very useful, but dpkg won't accept packages for a different arch, and it has a reason to it |
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| 21:11.45 | Raptors | thewanderer1, wine with a patch |
| 21:11.58 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Do you have dmm? |
| 21:12.04 | Raptors | dmm? |
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| 21:12.51 | jhutchins_lt | !dmm |
| 21:12.51 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 21:12.52 | tjader | honeypuck: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#DebianTesting.27Squeeze.27amd64 this helps |
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| 21:13.09 | Raptors | I think so |
| 21:13.12 | keith4 | Raptors: it's complaining about missing headers, no? |
| 21:13.18 | keith4 | (finally read your pastebin) |
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| 21:13.30 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: you should really consider building in a chroot, it's not troublesome at all |
| 21:13.39 | honeypuck | tjader: Thanks for your help, I will check it out. :-D |
| 21:14.05 | Raptors | keith4, I think I can install it as is but I'd rather install those files (if I can) |
| 21:14.17 | keith4 | Raptors: why? you need audio in Wine? ;-) |
| 21:14.23 | Raptors | ya |
| 21:14.27 | Raptors | games |
| 21:14.36 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: but Wine supports audio... :P |
| 21:14.42 | thewanderer1 | Diablo II sounds really nice here |
| 21:14.53 | Raptors | but its saying it cant play mp3s |
| 21:15.01 | Raptors | and it doesn't have openal |
| 21:15.25 | Raptors | How hard is a chroot to setup? |
| 21:15.35 | tjader | Raptors: not at all |
| 21:15.36 | keith4 | not |
| 21:15.54 | Raptors | can someone link me to how I can |
| 21:16.02 | Raptors | set one up |
| 21:16.02 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: debootstrap RELEASE /mnt/target/mychroot http://mirror/debian/path |
| 21:16.10 | tjader | debootstrap ~/32chroot lenny http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian |
| 21:16.11 | thewanderer1 | and you have a Debian chroot |
| 21:16.18 | tjader | then chroot to it |
| 21:16.33 | tjader | thewanderer1: isn't the target directory first? |
| 21:16.40 | Raptors | so I install debootstrap? |
| 21:16.40 | thewanderer1 | tjader: nope |
| 21:16.43 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 21:17.03 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: you really, really need to read the debootstrap manpage |
| 21:17.13 | thewanderer1 | you shall fail miserably without reading it :P |
| 21:17.14 | Raptors | looks like its already install :\ |
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| 21:17.32 | tjader | If you want some doc about 32bit chroot, http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
| 21:17.33 | keith4 | you don't need to give a mirror argument; it will just use sources.list |
| 21:18.03 | keith4 | (assuming the mirror you're using has 32-bit packages available) |
| 21:18.41 | Raptors | debootstrap ~/32chroot lenny http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian |
| 21:18.51 | Raptors | so I put that in my terminal and it'll make it? |
| 21:18.59 | thewanderer1 | no, you have to read the manpage |
| 21:19.07 | Raptors | :\ |
| 21:19.10 | thewanderer1 | else a penguin appears behind you and eats the back of your face |
| 21:19.23 | Raptors | lol |
| 21:19.24 | thewanderer1 | (or equally strange things happen) |
| 21:19.29 | keith4 | Raptors: you... won't know what to do with it, even if it works, judging by that question |
| 21:19.53 | Raptors | the manpage is too long :( |
| 21:20.03 | Raptors | lol |
| 21:20.07 | tjader | Raptors: have you tried wine-unstable? |
| 21:20.08 | thewanderer1 | yeah, refer to the link that tjader gave you, it's pretty much a complete wrap-up |
| 21:20.39 | Raptors | tjader, I have it installed but I need to compile wine with a path |
| 21:20.41 | Raptors | patch |
| 21:21.08 | tjader | That's weird, I used to have sound just fine in wine in amd64 |
| 21:21.17 | tjader | I haven't used wine in a while, though. |
| 21:21.18 | Raptors | I was going to remove it once I got those dependence's cleared up. |
| 21:21.27 | tjader | Since my GPU died. |
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| 21:21.53 | Raptors | Ya audio works fine on mine too, maybe I don't need those libs? :\ |
| 21:22.08 | thewanderer1 | in Squeeze, Wine audio is just fine |
| 21:22.19 | tjader | So, what do you need the patch for? |
| 21:22.28 | Raptors | SC battle.net patch |
| 21:22.33 | Raptors | menus are screwed up |
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| 21:23.29 | Raptors | I'll try building it without those libs and if it doesn't work then I guess I'll figure out how to get a chroot working |
| 21:23.29 | thewanderer1 | er, newer Wine should have it fixed, it seems |
| 21:23.40 | Raptors | it doesn't. |
| 21:23.44 | Raptors | I'm running 1.3 |
| 21:24.43 | tjader | Meanwhile, I'm still struggling with aiccu :( |
| 21:24.50 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: have you tried the native Starcraft engine for Linux? |
| 21:25.00 | Raptors | what's that? |
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| 21:25.05 | thewanderer1 | there's a mod that allows you to run Starcraft on Stratagus engine |
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| 21:25.19 | Raptors | does it work good? |
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| 21:25.32 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea, I only played 1 game on Stratagus, but it was fine |
| 21:25.38 | Tonisius | what is the equivalent to initrd-tools for Debian 5? |
| 21:25.38 | debuilder | hey guys i want to build a python package |
| 21:25.45 | debuilder | but i dunno whether to use distutils or setuptools |
| 21:25.47 | thewanderer1 | Tonisius: initramfs-tools |
| 21:25.48 | debuilder | which one should i use |
| 21:26.08 | Tonisius | thewanderer1: I'll read up on that, it's not providing what I was expecting |
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| 21:27.12 | Raptors | eh, I'll just compile wine and see how it goes without those libs |
| 21:27.31 | thewanderer1 | if you want to just build an initrd, try yaird - it's said to improve upon the original initrd build script |
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| 21:28.25 | Tonisius | thewanderer1: I am working on remounting the initrd image to add more files/binaries for usage |
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| 21:28.48 | Tonisius | but I'm not sure if I should gunzip it, and mount via loopback, or use soemthing like initrd-tools mount options |
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| 21:28.57 | Tonisius | but that's not provided by initramfs from what I can tell |
| 21:29.17 | thewanderer1 | Tonisius: I believe you should be using the Debian infrastructure for this |
| 21:29.35 | thewanderer1 | scripts exist that facilitate copying of binaries |
| 21:30.03 | ldo | can't delete a folder |
| 21:30.09 | ldo | drwxr-sr-x 3 root users 4096 19. Apr 09:09 topics |
| 21:30.16 | Tonisius | thewanderer1: examples? |
| 21:30.23 | thewanderer1 | ldo: what are the symptoms? |
| 21:30.25 | Tonisius | "Debian Infrastructure" is new to me |
| 21:30.55 | thewanderer1 | Tonisius: er, I have no idea how I had found it, but I have put up some kind of an initramfs modification - I'll dig it up on the forums |
| 21:31.43 | ldo | no rights |
| 21:31.47 | Tonisius | that would be very helpful, I'm having a stressful time using google with initramfs, they all say how to compile a new one, but nothing really on how to modify them |
| 21:31.50 | Tonisius | http://backreference.org/2010/07/04/modifying-initrdinitramfs-files/ |
| 21:31.57 | Tonisius | This is what I have fallen on, and I'm reading up on it right now |
| 21:31.57 | thewanderer1 | ldo, that means you aren't privileged to do that |
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| 21:32.09 | thewanderer1 | Tonisius: just a moment |
| 21:32.09 | ldo | as root |
| 21:32.38 | ldo | all folders are green in the terminal |
| 21:32.39 | thewanderer1 | ldo: please paste the exact command you're using and the error message at paste.debian.net |
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| 21:33.02 | tjader | Apparently aiccu's postinst is hanging in ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule" |
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| 21:34.12 | debuilder | Thanks Guys! I am out of here!! |
| 21:34.39 | thewanderer1 | Tonisius: my modification is included in this topic: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=49345 - feel free to browse the files and learn what I did there - I'm almost sure I copy some aufs binaries in one script in the package |
| 21:35.46 | dokma | anyone knows why the {} in backticks does not work in bash and how to fix it? ==> find . -name '*.sql' -exec sh -c "match='`sed -n 1p {} | sed "s/.*'\([^']*\)');$/\1/"`'; sed '2s/#HEADER#/$match/' {} | less;" |
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| 21:36.15 | moldovean | dokma, see #bash |
| 21:36.16 | ldo | thewandere1: http://paste.debian.net/85269 |
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| 21:37.28 | thewanderer1 | ldo: are the files mounted over NFS? |
| 21:37.32 | ldo | it says no rights but I'am loged as rout |
| 21:37.39 | ldo | yes |
| 21:38.00 | DanDare | Hello. In Debian where i find the last boot system messages? Somewhere at /var/logs ? |
| 21:38.18 | path | dmesg |
| 21:38.22 | ldo | yes nfs |
| 21:38.27 | thewanderer1 | ldo: do you know about root_squash in NFS? |
| 21:38.47 | Tonisius | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 21:38.49 | ldo | ok will go to the server |
| 21:38.52 | ldo | one moment |
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| 21:39.58 | ScottG | If I have an ext3 partition, will it not mount if I try to mount it as ext4? I could swear I made this partition ext3 but it's mounted as ext4 |
| 21:40.13 | ldo | lol I' am so an idiot |
| 21:40.23 | ldo | thank you very much thewanderer1 |
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| 21:40.48 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: it's perfectly possible to mount ext3 on-disk format as ext4 |
| 21:40.48 | ldo | two ours wasted :-( |
| 21:41.42 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: the reverse is not easily possible, especially if you mount it with -o extents... so pay attention to what it's doing :P |
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| 21:42.11 | DanDare | path, tried dmeg already but it doesnt show all the system messages i got in the last boot |
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| 21:42.36 | moldovean | DanDare, but why you want to do in "recovery mode" ? |
| 21:42.43 | thewanderer1 | DanDare: check /var/log/message* and /var/log/boot* or so |
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| 21:42.59 | DanDare | moldovean, i dont want to do it in "recovery mode" |
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| 21:43.04 | DanDare | ok, thanks |
| 21:43.08 | thewanderer1 | DanDare: when in doubt, use a serial console or netconsole for debuging |
| 21:43.28 | ldo | cu thanks |
| 21:43.31 | moldovean | DanDare, /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 21:43.40 | DanDare | nice, thanks |
| 21:43.44 | ScottG | thewanderer1: I am basically trying to find out what fs type this one partition is. Not just what it is mounted as. Do you know a way to do this? |
| 21:44.43 | xover | hi guys |
| 21:44.50 | xover | how can i map right mouse button to a key? |
| 21:45.02 | waza-ari | Hey Everyone, i'm looking for a solution to stream media to a server. So there is a pc connected to av receiver and tv, and my laptop, with which i want to stream media to this server, not the other way around. So just make something like "play on device xy" to have it streamed and played on this pc. any suggestions? thanks in advance :) |
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| 21:45.58 | moldovean | xover, see mouseemu |
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| 21:47.24 | xover | moldovean, I used to map it like this, but now its stopped working in 9.04 |
| 21:47.26 | xover | xmodmap -e "keycode 108 = Pointer_Button3" |
| 21:47.32 | beardy | waza-ari: vlc, ssh to the device to play on and start pulling |
| 21:47.44 | moldovean | xover, ubuntu ? |
| 21:48.16 | xover | yeah but im using debian now |
| 21:48.31 | xover | is that the correct event |
| 21:48.35 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: not really, no |
| 21:48.42 | waza-ari | beardy: it would by perfect to "push" the media. so run some "magic server software" i can just push from my laptop, without acting anyhow with the server |
| 21:49.06 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: try common sense + heuristics from tune2fs |
| 21:49.27 | beardy | waza-ari: Automate it so it appears that way then. |
| 21:49.59 | gnarface | waza-ari: write a bash script using ffmpeg and an ssh tunnel |
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| 21:50.06 | thewanderer1 | waza-ari: you need to roll your own solution |
| 21:50.20 | ScottG | thewanderer1: Yea, just tried tune2fs -l but it doesn't seem to tell the fs type... |
| 21:50.36 | thewanderer1 | if it mounts as ext3, it is ext3 |
| 21:50.40 | gnarface | waza-ari: what thewanderer1 said, but it's easy to do if you're familiar with ffmpeg and ssh tunnels |
| 21:50.55 | metalfoo | That's exactly what I already told you a minute ago on ##linux, ScottG |
| 21:51.08 | waza-ari | gnarface, thewanderer1: i'm familar with ffmpeg, but not with ssh zunnels |
| 21:51.18 | waza-ari | but i will try out, thanks for your suggestions ;) |
| 21:51.52 | ScottG | metalfoo: Sorry, mouse just stopped working out of nowhere a while ago so I couldn't click on your link |
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| 21:52.09 | gnarface | waza-ari: you want to check out the -f, -N and (-L or -R) parameters for ssh |
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| 21:52.40 | gnarface | waza-ari: read the man page and experiment a bit with stdio through ssh tunnels and you should figure it out |
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| 21:52.58 | waza | sorry, due to storm i had connection loss. |
| 21:53.15 | waza | gnarface, okay, thanks for advice ;) |
| 21:53.23 | gnarface | np |
| 21:53.33 | xover | how do i map the right mouse button? |
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| 21:53.34 | xover | someone please! |
| 21:53.38 | squisher | Evening folks, I want to setup a small debian repository - is reprepro the way to go? |
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| 21:54.27 | beardy | xover: 1. Go to #ubuntu 2. Someone answered you already |
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| 21:56.19 | DeVilSoulBlacK | is away: auto-away |
| 21:56.43 | Helliana | anyone had issues with grub inside an xen virtual server where you get the error |
| 21:56.43 | moldovean | dpkg, tell DeVilSoulBlacK about away |
| 21:56.48 | Helliana | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/xvda2. Check your device.map |
| 21:56.55 | gnarface | waza: depending on the media type, vlc or mencoder can be used in place of ffmpeg, but due to the incredible flakyness of both projects, use ffmpeg if the format your're capturing is supported |
| 21:56.56 | Helliana | when trying to updated grub |
| 21:57.01 | DeVilSoulBlacK | is back (gone 00:00:42) |
| 21:57.06 | beardy | !tell DeVilSoulBlacK about away |
| 21:58.32 | thewanderer1 | Helliana: it's whatever it says - check your device.map |
| 21:59.12 | Helliana | thewanderer1: i did, and set it to what i believe is correct |
| 21:59.18 | Helliana | the error still exists |
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| 21:59.38 | Helliana | set it to "(hd0) /dev/xvda2" |
| 21:59.44 | thewanderer1 | wrong |
| 21:59.58 | thewanderer1 | unless you really need to install it to a partition |
| 21:59.58 | Helliana | then what should it be set to? I can't find any clear documentation |
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| 22:00.06 | thewanderer1 | /dev/xvda I believe |
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| 22:01.35 | Helliana | thewanderer1: "(hd0) /dev/xvda" and it still errors |
| 22:01.55 | thewanderer1 | how are you calling grub-install ? |
| 22:02.25 | Helliana | i'm not, i'm called update-grub |
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| 22:02.54 | thewanderer1 | ok, does /dev/xvda exist? |
| 22:03.05 | moldovean | thewanderer1, is talking in parallel on #grub and here .. |
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| 22:03.38 | Helliana | nope, just xvda1 and xvda2 |
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| 22:04.31 | moldovean | s /is /he is |
| 22:04.44 | moldovean | or she .. |
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| 22:05.17 | thewanderer1 | errr |
| 22:05.36 | thewanderer1 | then I have no idea about Xen's concept of BIOS or anything alike :P |
| 22:06.14 | gnarface | isn't xen hardware-level virtualization? wouldn't that require the bios be emulated as well? |
| 22:07.11 | thewanderer1 | yes, that's what I'm thinking |
| 22:07.26 | thewanderer1 | but apparently this "xvda" stuff doesn't work like I think it should |
| 22:08.03 | thewanderer1 | I thought guest systems didn't need GRUB anyway |
| 22:08.07 | gnarface | i've never messed with it. i've only messed with and UML, linux-xserver - neither of which do any hardware emulation |
| 22:08.37 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Guest systems need bootloaders. |
| 22:08.41 | gnarface | neither uml or linux-xserver guest systems need a boot loader |
| 22:08.45 | beardy | They don't, and afaik can't use grub. |
| 22:08.59 | jhutchins_lt | parallels does, vmware does. |
| 22:09.12 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: and qemu boots Linux happily without a bootloader :P |
| 22:09.13 | beardy | Xen boots a kernel (and if existing) and initrd. |
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| 22:09.29 | beardy | Xen is different from them. |
| 22:09.31 | thewanderer1 | that's what I was thinking |
| 22:09.41 | thewanderer1 | so... why would you need GRUB in Xen, again? |
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| 22:09.45 | gnarface | xen can abstract *architectures* right? |
| 22:09.49 | beardy | You don't. |
| 22:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | Wierd, dbus appears to have died. |
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| 22:10.02 | stuckey | When I upgrade to a newer kernel version does my nvidia driver now get automatically updated to work with it? |
| 22:10.09 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: no :P |
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| 22:10.13 | gnarface | neither uml or linux-xserver can even abstract operating systems, much less architectures |
| 22:10.15 | beardy | gnarface: Xen is an architecture, in many ways. |
| 22:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | Parallels appeared to have a completely normal install process within the VM, and used grub to load the kernel. |
| 22:11.18 | stuckey | thewanderer1: I notice that aptitude now does something with nvidia and kernels--what is it then? |
| 22:11.18 | gnarface | one of these days i'll try xen, if i ever need something other than x86 linux to do my job |
| 22:11.24 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: er what, you must mean Parallels VM, not Virtuozzo |
| 22:11.26 | xelister | thewanderer1: actually why not? they figured that stuff out in ubuntu, well that part seems to work fine |
| 22:11.48 | Helliana | gnarface: the reason i'm using XEN is because i bought an virtual server for $4.95 a month =D |
| 22:11.54 | thewanderer1 | stuckey, xelister: DKMS is not yet standard in stable, it will be in Squeeze though, it seems |
| 22:11.59 | gnarface | Helliana: hah. i'm so sorry |
| 22:12.01 | beardy | Xen is good. |
| 22:12.11 | gnarface | prefers bare metal |
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| 22:12.24 | Helliana | works fine, except for this little small problem. its not a huge deal, but i wanna fix it before the kernel upgrades and my server becomes unbootable |
| 22:12.24 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: The system I worked with (until a year ago) was known as "Parallels", it's a VM system for OS-X. |
| 22:12.25 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: run bind9 and we'll talk :P |
| 22:12.40 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: oh, I know this one, ok |
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| 22:12.49 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i run several instances of bind9 what's wrong with it? |
| 22:12.56 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: security... |
| 22:13.03 | jhutchins_lt | Haven't messed with VMs since. |
| 22:13.23 | gnarface | thewanderer1: fair enough |
| 22:13.25 | thewanderer1 | Helliana: so what do you need GRUB for in your Xen VM? |
| 22:13.48 | Helliana | thewanderer1: to boot the kernel |
| 22:13.53 | beardy | Helliana: That is the downside though. You have to co-operate with the root on the host OS, to have him put a copy of your new kernel and initrd in place for you, if there isn't an interface for you to do it yourself. |
| 22:14.13 | gnarface | uses cheap hardware instead of VM's - explicitly for bind9 in some cases |
| 22:14.13 | thewanderer1 | Helliana: yes, this should be faciliated by the host os if you're paravirtualized |
| 22:14.16 | Helliana | beardy: there are xen kernels in apt. |
| 22:14.33 | Helliana | i edited the grub config manually and they booted fine |
| 22:14.37 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: Atom-on-a-PCI-card, by any chance? :P |
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| 22:14.55 | beardy | Helliana: Yes. The Xen host only cares about which kernel the host tells it to boot. It is like I just said. |
| 22:15.26 | gnarface | thewanderer1: nah just ancient p2 and p3 systems built out of a junk pile of discarded 90's pc hardware. i've been eyeing those guruplug things lately though. arm wall-wart servers are looking nice these days |
| 22:15.30 | thewanderer1 | awwww |
| 22:16.45 | gnarface | but i've got 10+ year old spare, heavily used p2 hardware that seems to be invincible while i can't seem to hold onto a modern motherboard for more than about 1.5 years... what's up with that? |
| 22:16.45 | stuckey | thewanderer1: I'm on squeeze |
| 22:17.01 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: then the dkms packages might do what you need |
| 22:17.17 | beardy | gnarface: Laundry machine syndrome. |
| 22:17.34 | beardy | gnarface: Hardware made shitty so they can sell more. |
| 22:17.34 | stuckey | thewanderer1: What does it do? That's my question. |
| 22:18.00 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: it's basically a bunch of scripts ("hooks") that get called on kernel upgrades and recompile drivers |
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| 22:18.12 | thewanderer1 | it's not completely fail-proof, but attempting to b |
| 22:18.12 | thewanderer1 | e |
| 22:18.22 | gnarface | the only reason i'm considering replacing my ancient p2 servers with ARM systems is because i think the electricity bill savings might recoup the cost of the new hardware in short order... :-( at least with ARM systems anyway. i know my amd64 desktop isn't saving anything. i've had vaccuum cleaners that cost less to run |
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| 22:19.54 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: you should put up a quad-core Xeon 80W TDP and virtualize :P |
| 22:20.17 | gnarface | thewanderer1: tempting but there's on egood argument against it - single point of failure |
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| 22:20.47 | thewanderer1 | sure, but you don't have any redundancy now anyway :P |
| 22:20.53 | gnarface | bullshit i don't |
| 22:21.02 | gnarface | it's not pretty but i've got it |
| 22:21.05 | thewanderer1 | hm, then get 2 xeons xD |
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| 22:21.29 | gnarface | can even play world of warcraft for up to 19 minutes when the power goes out |
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| 22:22.07 | gnarface | can't easily vaccuum around all the cables spider-webbing the floor though |
| 22:22.17 | thewanderer1 | do that WoW thing with ARM :) |
| 22:22.35 | gnarface | yea i wish |
| 22:23.06 | gnarface | if i could move the dns, mail and firewalls over to guruplugs though i'd be mostly there |
| 22:23.23 | gnarface | probably wouldn't need as many batteries either then |
| 22:24.31 | gnarface | one problem: my firewall machines are all openbsd because i've got a sick obsession with PF |
| 22:24.46 | gnarface | i heard a while back that you can run bsd and pf on debian now |
| 22:24.56 | gnarface | how's it work though? anyone have first hand experience doing it? |
| 22:25.39 | thewanderer1 | there goes your need to virtualize, just to check :P |
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| 22:26.14 | gnarface | hah |
| 22:26.16 | gnarface | ok you win |
| 22:27.00 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: this might be of particular interest to you: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ |
| 22:27.12 | gnarface | thanks |
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| 22:28.14 | karlpinc | likes pf too |
| 22:28.59 | LV-426 | my initrd.img got screwed up & mdadm fails to create any arrays during boot. i can assemble them & activate the lvm partitions from the initramfs shell but i'm forced to kill udevd doing so as it drives load to 100%. not sure how to "naturally" resume the boot process from there... any insight ? |
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| 22:29.07 | thewanderer1 | this "see http://io.debian.net/ and http://asdfasdf.debian.net/" has 2 useful links - there are irc references (oftc) and admins' e-mails on those pages - you can try their channels or perhaps write to them and ask |
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| 22:40.11 | LV-426 | got this http://codepad.org/FjriBy2x during a dpkg upgrade operation but even though I checked it didn't apply my system was left unbootable |
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| 22:47.55 | jhutchins_lt | LV-426: You are unable to get the boot over the case now? |
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| 22:49.56 | jhutchins_lt | LV-426: Did you do what the error message suggested? |
| 22:49.58 | LV-426 | jhutchins_lt, what you mean by boot over the case... ? i'm still stuck at the initramfs shell |
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| 22:50.25 | LV-426 | yup ... now i see that /dev/disk/by-uuid is missing most of my partitions... |
| 22:50.29 | jhutchins_lt | LV-426: What I mean is that that makes as much sense as what you actually said. Stuck at the initramfs shell makes a bit more sense. |
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| 22:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | LV-426: Helps us a lot to have detalis of what did/does happen. |
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| 22:51.17 | jhutchins_lt | please inspect the output of /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf, compare |
| 22:51.19 | jhutchins_lt | W: mdadm: it to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, and make the necessary changes. |
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| 22:56.10 | ZitZ | Hi, has anyone here found any information on using a usb flash device as a linux installer, all the guides I find are for making it a boot disk, I want it to be a full installer |
| 22:57.13 | thewanderer1 | ZitZ: unetbootin |
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| 22:58.41 | ZitZ | cool, thanks, I'll try it, can I apt-get it? |
| 22:59.16 | ZitZ | lol, just answered that myself, yes you can |
| 22:59.44 | LV-426 | jhutchins_lt, k i'll try mount /usr. i did check i had the correct array uuid's when i got the message... i was in the process of migrating from a old array which was manually active during update-ramfs, & was later physically removed |
| 23:00.34 | ZitZ | actually I have another question, how do I disable this pesky gnome-keyring? |
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| 23:01.09 | Gokee2 | GRRRRR! Why does apt-get interpret yn as yes?! |
| 23:01.31 | ddilinger | anyone remember how to set up a nc shell? i thought it was with -e /bin/sh but nc is telling me there is no -e option, cant find anything in the man page, but i know i did this before |
| 23:01.36 | ddilinger | nc==netcat |
| 23:01.39 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 23:01.39 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 23:01.59 | jhutchins_lt | ZitZ: That guide will make a bootable installer out of it. |
| 23:02.04 | ddilinger | usb? bah for wussies ... break out tftpd :) |
| 23:02.24 | ddilinger | j/k btw :) |
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| 23:02.54 | ZitZ | thanks for the infor jhutchins_lt and TheWanderer I like unetbootin a lot so far |
| 23:03.15 | metalfoo | ddilinger: If your nc hasn't nc -c (-e) you may workaroung with something like nc -lp 1337 | /bin/sh |
| 23:03.22 | ZitZ | maybe if I wasn't so bad with networking I'd try tftpd |
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| 23:03.39 | jhutchins_lt | We do get a lot of people here saying that they tried to set it up with unetbootin and failed. |
| 23:04.15 | ddilinger | metalfoo: hmm, i suppose that might work, will try it out |
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| 23:04.44 | jhutchins_lt | ZitZ: Network Boot is fun to mess with, but I really bogged down trying to build multiple-choice menus (load installer, load ltsp, load other). |
| 23:05.42 | ZitZ | hmmm, in that case I guess I'll load up the web pages you linked me just in case |
| 23:08.13 | ZitZ | uggh, I hope I didn't bust my flash drive! |
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| 23:09.25 | talcite | hi guys. I'm doing the planning for a new system. How is debian's current support for asterisk and nagios? |
| 23:09.50 | jhutchins_lt | talcite: works great with nagios. |
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| 23:10.05 | jhutchins_lt | talcite: asterisk is supported by asterisk, not so much by debian. |
| 23:10.32 | talcite | jhutchins_lt: hmm. Are there packages that work in the debian repos or anything like that? |
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| 23:10.47 | metalfoo | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages Find out by yourself. Short: they are |
| 23:11.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions asterisk |
| 23:11.03 | judd | asterisk -- etch: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4; etch-security: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4; lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; sid: 1:1.6.2.9-1; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.9-1 |
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| 23:11.47 | jhutchins_lt | talcite: So yes, packages in the regular repos. |
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| 23:12.08 | talcite | ah cool. Thanks guys. I'm hoping to configure asterisk to place a call when nagios detects a downed service =) |
| 23:12.39 | jhutchins_lt | talcite: That should prove ... annoying... <grin> |
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| 23:13.19 | metalfoo | Text synthesizing is great, if your nagios calls at 03:00 am |
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| 23:13.47 | talcite | haha well the SMS route may not work for me since my provider demands extra money for SMS over the email gateway |
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| 23:14.12 | jhutchins_lt | Still, getting the call at 3:00 AM beats getting the call at 9:00 when the boss gets in and finds out it's been down since 3. |
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| 23:26.13 | LV-426 | well the uuid's I have in mdadm.conf match the ones i get with 'blkid /dev/sdaX' , x being any of the array disks. no sure why i can't mount any of /dev/vg0/... |
| 23:28.03 | LV-426 | lvscan shows that all logical volumes are active |
| 23:33.23 | CyberaX2195 | LV-426: whats the output of vgs ? |
| 23:34.54 | LV-426 | looks ok, vg0 up, two pv's |
| 23:35.34 | CyberaX2195 | when u say can't mount any of the lvs in vg0 , what errors do you get ? (anything in dmesg?) |
| 23:36.05 | LV-426 | 'no such file or dir' on any mount point i try |
| 23:36.19 | CyberaX2195 | lol |
| 23:36.35 | CyberaX2195 | does the directory your trying to mount to , actually exist? |
| 23:37.03 | LV-426 | yup |
| 23:37.34 | CyberaX2195 | LV-426: whats in /dev/mapper |
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| 23:38.19 | LV-426 | all my lv's, /dev/vg0 links to all of them as well |
| 23:38.59 | CyberaX2195 | and the LV's are they filesystems or disks? |
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| 23:41.18 | LV-426 | filesystems |
| 23:41.25 | CyberaX2195 | hmm odd |
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| 23:43.05 | LV-426 | no way i can make a boot persistent change to the img right ? |
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| 23:44.52 | CyberaX2195 | i thought u said the lv's were filesystems , not images |
| 23:46.33 | LV-426 | sorry i meant the initrd img... |
| 23:47.30 | CyberaX2195 | i'd double check with lvdisplay the lv your trying to access is available (lvdisplay /dev/vg0/lvname) |
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| 23:49.45 | tuxG | hi |
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| 23:50.10 | LV-426 | yup, they all read available |
| 23:51.02 | tuxG | anyone one have already used the webcam of acer aspire 3690 ? |
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| 23:53.06 | abrotman | tuxG: you? |
| 23:53.42 | tuxG | abrotman: :( |
| 23:54.00 | abrotman | tuxG: perhaps you should describe your problem using more .. words |
| 23:54.48 | CyberaX2195 | LV-426: what command are you using to mount the lv fs ? |
| 23:54.52 | LV-426 | do I later resume with /init resume <dev> ? |
| 23:56.00 | LV-426 | mount /dev/mapper/vg0-usr /foo |
| 23:56.17 | tuxG | abrotman: i have a acer aspire 3690 and i cant use my webcam, it use gspca_m5602 according to dmesg but the sensor is not detected |
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| 23:57.17 | maurer_ | How do I make quilt understand a file move? |
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| 23:58.15 | abrotman | tuxG: what does 'uname -r' say now ? |
| 23:58.46 | tuxG | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 23:58.54 | abrotman | !gspca |
| 23:58.55 | dpkg | The GSPCA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams, based on several USB bridge and image sensor chipsets. To install on Lenny: "aptitude install gspca-modules-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`". This driver is included in mainline Linux kernels as of 2.6.27. Supported devices: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html . See also <uvcvideo>, <webcam>. |
| 23:58.55 | snail | I'm seeing the message "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" in dmesg. Am I correct in thinking that this means that ipv6 is installed and configured on this machine but can't find any IPv6 routers on the network to talk to so is defaulting over to IPv4 ? |
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