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| 00:00.28 | shawnboy | The Manual for --pakdir option of checkinstall is still unclear to me. Can someone clarify? |
| 00:00.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hey guys Im trying to ./configure, alsa-utils bz2 package that I downloaded from the alsa website so I can have sound on my Dell Mini netbook. I get an error that says library panelw not found and I have no clue what that is or what package it might need. Anyone happen to know? |
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| 00:01.16 | tuxG | abrotman: i think my webcam is not in the list of supported webcams, but i m not sure (cause i dont know how to clearly determine my webcam modele) |
| 00:02.25 | snail | LinuxGuy2009: 'apt-cache search panelw' will find packages that talk about panelw in their description |
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| 00:02.40 | LV-426 | LinuxGuy2009, try apt-get install lib32ncursesw5 |
| 00:02.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | snail: ok Ill try that. |
| 00:03.09 | shawnboy | so what is --pakdir option on checkinstall? |
| 00:03.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | LV-426:ok |
| 00:03.47 | shawnboy | "where to save new package" but does that mean where it's installed to and runs from? |
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| 00:04.23 | LV-426 | LinuxGuy2009, you can use 'apt-file search ...' in these cases |
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| 00:05.02 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: what kernel are you running? |
| 00:05.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:05.38 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: i'd try a backported kernel first |
| 00:06.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | This is what I am following...http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v |
| 00:06.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | audio section |
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| 00:07.39 | _val_ | Has someone used Cccam server on debian? |
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| 00:08.24 | shawnboy | does anyone ever use --pakdir option of checkinstall? |
| 00:08.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | problem solved it helps to read directions more carefully |
| 00:08.43 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: hmmm... doesn't say what version of Debian they used. |
| 00:08.58 | dvs | oh nvm |
| 00:09.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | thanks |
| 00:09.09 | dvs | np |
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| 00:11.04 | acx0 | is it possible to use the businesscard image (~50MB) to get a working no-GUI install of debian or do I need the network install image (180MB)? |
| 00:11.21 | acx0 | the install machine won't be connected to the internet |
| 00:11.27 | dvs | acx0: you need the netinstall for that |
| 00:11.29 | krisfremen | ,versions ssh |
| 00:11.30 | judd | ssh -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.5p1-4; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-4 |
| 00:12.26 | acx0 | dvs, okay, thanks - does that mean that the businesscard image only contains the online installer files? |
| 00:12.27 | dvs | acx0: personally, I'd get the first CD or DVD |
| 00:12.42 | dvs | acx0: yes |
| 00:12.54 | acx0 | dvs, I usually go with netinst, but in this case bandwidth is an issue |
| 00:12.58 | cirdan | hey can anyone help with an apache2 issue real fast? |
| 00:13.54 | cirdan | having trouble getting my perl index.cgi exec it just sends plain text |
| 00:14.13 | cirdan | this is my conf http://apache.pastebin.com/yrTC5Q6D |
| 00:14.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ahh. ./configure works now that I followed the "aptitude install ncurses-dev libncursesw5-dev xmlto". But now "make" throws some errors and am not sure why. |
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| 00:16.12 | acx0 | not sure if it's the right place to ask, but does anyone know if it's okay to install on a 40GB HD that only shows up as 20GB in the BIOS? the HD was originally 2 20GB partitions, only one formatted, but I made a 40GB partition using gparted, but the BIOS still shows ~19GBs |
| 00:16.43 | xyan | cirdan: unknown paste id! |
| 00:17.29 | xyan | cirdan: anyway you have a AddHandler directive for cgi scripts? or use the ScriptAlias directory? and more important a2enmod perl says? |
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| 00:19.07 | cirdan | xyan: http://apache.pastebin.com/UZRLCSK3 |
| 00:19.09 | cirdan | sorry |
| 00:20.54 | cirdan | i copied it from the sample |
| 00:22.10 | xyan | uhm use the AddHandler for your cgi-bin dir |
| 00:22.32 | xyan | dont forget to restart apache, and make sure you have the needed modules enabled |
| 00:22.37 | cirdan | the index is index.cgi |
| 00:23.10 | xyan | sometimes your browser is just picky, clear its cache and try again |
| 00:24.31 | cirdan | just tried with links, still the same :/ |
| 00:24.54 | cirdan | i only ever used apache 1.3 apache2 is being a pain |
| 00:25.02 | xyan | sooo what says a2enmod perl dude? |
| 00:25.07 | xyan | anything in the logs? |
| 00:25.29 | cirdan | it's enabled, sorry Module perl already enabled |
| 00:25.56 | xyan | ok |
| 00:26.05 | cirdan | no errors logged |
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| 00:26.24 | xyan | move the AddHandler directive under the Option +ExecCGI, restart and test |
| 00:26.31 | xyan | take a look into the log! |
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| 00:29.59 | cirdan | xyan: does whitespace matter? |
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| 00:30.29 | xyan | not really |
| 00:30.46 | cirdan | didnt think so ok |
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| 00:31.19 | xyan | you may want to try the ScriptAlias directive as well |
| 00:31.31 | xyan | read about it in the docs |
| 00:31.34 | xyan | i got to run ;) |
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| 00:32.30 | cirdan | the index page isn't in a cgi-bin dir |
| 00:32.34 | smhar | greetings |
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| 00:33.49 | smhar | I have 2 computers running squeeze, a laptop and a desktop, I also have a hauwei usb 3g internet devicethat I run on both using wvdial. it works fine on both with good speed. |
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| 00:34.39 | smhar | But.. on the laptop it disconnects frequently while it rarely happens on the desktop |
| 00:35.22 | smhar | like on the desktop, it can run for days, while on the laptop it disconnects several time in an hour |
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| 00:39.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | alsa-utils ./configure(s) but throws a bunch of errors on make. No idea why. |
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| 00:40.29 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: typically you would figure out the "why" from the errors themselves |
| 00:41.25 | gnarface | they may not seem any different to the layman than windows errors but they're not meant to be useless |
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| 00:42.22 | HTT-Bird | hey all...did the b43 PIO-autofallback patches get integrated into the Squeeze/Sid kernels? (the way a classmate of mine's box is behaving, it sure seems that way) |
| 00:42.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | www.pastebin.org/754161 |
| 00:42.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | Any ideas? |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: you can get the source and check |
| 00:42.55 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: from your pastebin? no it's blank |
| 00:42.57 | HTT-Bird | LinuxGuy2009, :( that pastebin comes up blank |
| 00:43.12 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, will poke around in Debian SVN... |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: it's easier to just get the source and look |
| 00:43.59 | smhar | it always compains that:"The PPP daemon has died: A modem hung up the phone (exit code = 16) |
| 00:44.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | http://http://pastebin.org/754161 |
| 00:45.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | omg |
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| 00:45.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | "http://pastebin.org/754161" |
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| 00:46.38 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: you're probably missing the development headers - but it begs the question, why are you compiling alsa-utils when there is a perfectly suitable package for it already compiled in the package tree? |
| 00:47.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im following http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v to get sound on my Dell Mini netbook |
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| 00:47.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | You mean linux-headers-(kernel version here). I have that installed. |
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| 00:48.42 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: no i mean other packages that are named *-dev, i don't know the specific ones but libclalsadrv-dev looks like a good candidate for starters |
| 00:49.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface:k ill try that. |
| 00:50.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: Same errors |
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| 00:51.57 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: try apt-get build-dep alsa-utils |
| 00:52.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | k |
| 00:53.53 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: which debian? did you try the alsa-utils package first? *most* people think alsa isn't working simply because the mixer always loads with 0-volume/muted defaults the first time. |
| 00:54.04 | gnarface | dpkg: tell LinuxGuy2009 about alsa checklist |
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| 00:56.22 | gnarface | that howto may be out-of-date... i don't see a date on it |
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| 00:56.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: Im not new to debian |
| 00:57.01 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, sure seems to be in :) |
| 00:57.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: Sound does not work on my Dell Mini netbook on Lenny |
| 00:57.24 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:57.28 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: then another thing you might want to try is the backports kernel. the lenny kernel is quite old now |
| 00:57.41 | dvs | hmmm... |
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| 00:59.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was thinking of going with the testing branch but Im afraid Ill end up with something as unreliable as ubuntu. |
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| 01:01.33 | HTT-Bird | hey again, sry about returning so soon :p could someone help me get Wireshark's privilege separation working? |
| 01:02.00 | HTT-Bird | (atm, the only way I can see any IFs to capture on is to run Wireshark as root :p) |
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| 01:04.18 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: backports are not the testing branch. There is a repo specifically made for lenny. |
| 01:04.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh |
| 01:04.34 | dvs | !backports |
| 01:04.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 01:04.50 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: the packages are new but they are built on lenny |
| 01:05.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well I just rebooted and alsa-driver and alsa-libs seems to have been enough for sound to work. Wonder why they even mention alsa-utils. Not even sure what its for. |
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| 01:06.58 | HTT-Bird | fixed it myself for now...any reason why /usr/bin/dumpcap isn't suid-root by default in testing's .debs for Wireshark tho? |
| 01:07.32 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: because allowing arbitrary packet capture on interfaces isn't a sane default |
| 01:07.54 | llua | hey does anyone know if dd can use .GHO ghost images? |
| 01:08.07 | dondelelcaro | llua: dd doesn't care about image formats; it just writes raw data |
| 01:08.24 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: it's for your mixer and a couple of other useful command-line utils, like aplay |
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| 01:08.47 | llua | @dondelelcaro, thats a yes...or no? |
| 01:08.52 | Fuzion | anyone running nagios on debian? |
| 01:08.59 | dondelelcaro | llua: it's an orthogonal answer |
| 01:09.26 | HTT-Bird | dondelelcaro, dumpcap being suid-root is actually a good thing security wise (it allows the rest of Wireshark (including the dissector nastiness) to run with ordinary user privs, which is A Good Thing) |
| 01:09.41 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: you can do that anyway |
| 01:09.51 | HTT-Bird | true, using dumpcap or tcpdump "by hand" |
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| 01:10.05 | HTT-Bird | or simply by setting the suid bit directly yourself |
| 01:10.26 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: having a packet capture program running suid root is *bad*, because it can read arbirary files, and do other things that it shouldn't be doing |
| 01:10.35 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: none of them are designed to be run suid root. |
| 01:10.39 | HTT-Bird | btw, will that suid-bit setting "stick" even if a routine package upgrade touches /usr/bin/dumpcap ? |
| 01:10.46 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: no, it won't. |
| 01:10.52 | HTT-Bird | darn :p |
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| 01:12.44 | Fuzion | anyone know anything about nagios, no one in the nagios channel is responding |
| 01:13.42 | HTT-Bird | dondelelcaro, if you are so picky about it, push harder for wider use and support of Linux kernel capabilities |
| 01:14.05 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: uh... it's not my box; I could care less if someone roots your machine |
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| 01:18.06 | HTT-Bird | speaking of capabilities....why isn't setcap part of a base Debian setup? :p |
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| 01:19.44 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: you can easily install it; it's just not needed by default. |
| 01:20.27 | HTT-Bird | yeah, only gripe I have with installing it is that the package name (libcap2-bin) is a little counter-intuitive |
| 01:20.57 | HTT-Bird | seems like the capability-based solution's workin' though :) |
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| 01:22.01 | HTT-Bird | p.s. about all dumpcap does is shovel data from the interface it's capturing on to disk |
| 01:22.38 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: right, which can contain just about anything |
| 01:22.44 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: and it can shove it into any file |
| 01:22.45 | HTT-Bird | all the dissectors/... run in the context of the main wireshark/tshark process... |
| 01:22.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | well just turned out build-deps werent installed. Once I did that it went fine. |
| 01:23.10 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: for example, it can shove it into /dev/sda |
| 01:23.24 | HTT-Bird | dondelelcaro, which also means that it's a much smaller target than, say, the dissectors in Wireshark |
| 01:23.44 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: sure, but it's a big enough target to do some pretty useful things with |
| 01:24.07 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: hooraaay! |
| 01:24.16 | snail | Fuzion: that entirely depends on what you're trying to do with nagios and what your real question is, which you haven't told us yet |
| 01:24.22 | HTT-Bird | (I meant as in "a lot less code where vulnerabilities could lurk" |
| 01:24.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hehe yeah! |
| 01:24.37 | gnarface | i'm just gonna troll here for a second, sorry, but FUCK nagios |
| 01:24.48 | dondelelcaro | HTT-Bird: oh, none of what I'm saying is a vulnerability; these are all documented features |
| 01:25.18 | dondelelcaro | reading data from any interface, and writing to any arbitrary file isn't something that you want anyone on your machine to be able to do |
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| 01:25.31 | HTT-Bird | I'm the only guy on this box in the first place :p |
| 01:25.46 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 01:26.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Now I just need to print out a list of build deps for each of alsa-driver, alsa-lib, and alsa-utils so that I can add them to a ReadMe file on the CD-R so I know what ones to install from my repo DVDs next time I go to do this. How do I just list build deps for a package so I can copy and paste to a text file? |
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| 01:26.33 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: apt-cache show foopkg; |
| 01:26.43 | dondelelcaro | s/show/showsrc/ |
| 01:26.53 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: why are you installing build dependencies manually, anyway? |
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| 01:27.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | dondelelcaro: offline machine. |
| 01:27.22 | HTT-Bird | well...I'm sure a few other things could benefit from capabilities too :) |
| 01:28.32 | HTT-Bird | dondelelcaro, but I think the reason this got so messy is because we were looking at two totally different threats |
| 01:28.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so apt-cache show "package" doesnt list build deps. |
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| 01:28.56 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: showsrc does. |
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| 01:29.42 | HTT-Bird | I was thinking of security as in "what could happen if someone started shoving malicious packets my way while I was capturing", you were thinking of the risks of some other logged on user causing mischief with dumpcap |
| 01:30.23 | HTT-Bird | now, pardon me while I UDP-traceroute to Google for all 65,535 udp ports. :p |
| 01:31.01 | HTT-Bird | o/ |
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| 01:35.02 | snail | Fuzion: you want to check the channel title |
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| 01:38.12 | WebDawg | Hey. Anything better then ufw for debian? |
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| 01:41.05 | peterrooney | !anyone |
| 01:41.05 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 01:41.14 | abrotman | iptables ? |
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| 01:42.56 | courpse | Um, i tried a CLI web browser other day, it could display images, but couldnt do CSS yet. |
| 01:43.02 | courpse | Anyone know what its called. |
| 01:43.04 | courpse | forgot, :/ |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | w3m? |
| 01:43.24 | courpse | I thought it was links2 or something. |
| 01:43.26 | courpse | checks. |
| 01:43.39 | dondelelcaro | elinks does CSS |
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| 01:44.03 | courpse | dondelelcaro: But not images does it? |
| 01:44.14 | dondelelcaro | it can do images |
| 01:44.35 | abrotman | thought w3m did images ... |
| 01:44.36 | LV-426 | courpse, lynx ? |
| 01:44.58 | dondelelcaro | at least one of the console browsers can do images; elinks may be able to too |
| 01:45.13 | courpse | lynx doesnt seem to do images. |
| 01:45.17 | courpse | At least not by default. |
| 01:45.36 | dondelelcaro | lynx probably doesn't; but a few of them could do so using sdl iirc |
| 01:45.44 | nutron | I can't help but think, why is intel hardware so flaky? ... grr 3 rma's on 6 servers .. bs |
| 01:45.47 | courpse | w3m doesnt seem to either, unless it needs to be enabled. |
| 01:46.08 | dondelelcaro | courpse: it does, but you have to view them |
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| 01:46.23 | dondelelcaro | (or if you have w3m-img) |
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| 01:48.42 | courpse | dondelelcaro: How do you 'view them' when you cant see them? |
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| 01:49.34 | yardleydobon | are the images inline with the text? |
| 01:49.47 | courpse | Well, i donno, i cant see them. |
| 01:49.58 | courpse | im just trying to find a good CLI browser than can show images./ |
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| 01:55.44 | WebDawg | How about this: Since ufw is in sid instead of stable for debian has someone replaced it with something better besides iptables. I would also like to force debian to install from sid just for one app. |
| 01:56.52 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 01:56.52 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 01:56.57 | jpinx-eeepc | WebDawg: ^^ |
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| 01:59.05 | abrotman | WebDawg: why not just use iptables directly? |
| 01:59.49 | dvs | misses ipmasq |
| 02:00.57 | karsten | abrotman: Not by defaut. |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | oh, w3m |
| 02:01.29 | karsten | elinks, or elinks2 are the image-capable console browsers. |
| 02:02.00 | karsten | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/02/links2-cross-platform-console-based-web.html |
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| 02:12.28 | DanDare | I just booted Lenny in init1 mode (from grub splash screen), entered maintenace mode and now trying "mount -n -o remount,ro -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /" But it cant complete because of "umount: / device is busy". How to do it ? |
| 02:12.37 | DanDare | should I just force umount ? |
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| 02:13.38 | abrotman | you could find out what is using it |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | or just reboot the system |
| 02:14.09 | DanDare | abrotman, i did yet trying rebooting, but it happens all the times |
| 02:14.17 | gnarface | uh |
| 02:14.25 | gnarface | isn't your shell what's using it in init1 mode? |
| 02:14.38 | DanDare | gnarface, i dont know |
| 02:14.55 | abrotman | DanDare: your system shuldn't be going into maintenance mode all the time |
| 02:14.56 | gnarface | well try fuser |
| 02:15.12 | DanDare | abrotman, why ? |
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| 02:15.42 | abrotman | does Maintenance Mode sound good? |
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| 02:15.56 | DanDare | abrotman, its a test partition. |
| 02:16.03 | DanDare | I want to be able to umount / |
| 02:16.13 | DanDare | booting from grub |
| 02:16.16 | DanDare | how to do ? |
| 02:16.19 | nsadmin | no can do, as far as I know |
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| 02:16.55 | nsadmin | why are you doing that? and why are you going into maint mode all the time? |
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| 02:17.47 | DanDare | nsadmin, im doing it all the time just because im trying to do maint on main partition |
| 02:17.59 | scvrory | during the install i set up my drive to be encrypted, will i need to type in the passphrase every time i boot? |
| 02:18.00 | DanDare | but i cant umount it |
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| 02:18.32 | DanDare | so anyway, i must boot from other media like rescue CD's etc .... |
| 02:18.39 | gnarface | DanDare: knoppix is nice |
| 02:18.46 | DanDare | i just wanted to know how to do it from grub .... |
| 02:19.14 | gnarface | DanDare: i think you could do this if you booted to a ramdisk, but i don't know how either |
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| 02:19.55 | DanDare | gnarface, so the best option to "mess" with the main partition is booting from another source, right ? |
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| 02:20.15 | DanDare | its ok, thanks gnarface |
| 02:20.37 | gnarface | DanDare: the trick is to not use that / partition if you're going to jack with it, yes. |
| 02:20.49 | DanDare | allright... |
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| 02:21.20 | gnarface | there's probably dozens of tricky ways to do it but the easiest by far is to just boot from a relatively recent livecd of something, since that essentially has already done all that work for you |
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| 02:22.29 | DanDare | gnarface, i use RescueCD, it a good boot cd |
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| 02:23.04 | Thamus2000 | I use Rip linux |
| 02:23.15 | gnarface | you could always just mirror your / partition to a spare physical drive too, edit the fstab on it and add a grub entry (or just edit the grub entry inline at boot time - you can edit your grub entries on a per-boot basis, you know) |
| 02:23.25 | Thamus2000 | Recovery Is Possible (RIP) |
| 02:24.26 | gnarface | hmm. i thought there was a way to boot to a temporary ramdisk / partition with just kernel command-line parameters though. anyone know that trick? |
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| 02:25.32 | gnarface | just makes a point of keeping the latest knoppix disk around |
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| 02:36.33 | LV-426 | CyberaX2195, turns out i was missing the ext4 module... used 'modprobe -l' rather than checking through /proc/modules |
| 02:37.38 | flypp | I've installed proftpd. I want to use it to upload contents on /var/www. I'll create a few users, and now I doubt in wich group they must be. Apache2 uses www-data (user & group). Should I add the ftp-users to www-data group, or is better to add www-data (apache user) to an ftp group? |
| 02:38.21 | dondelelcaro | flypp: www-data generally shouldn't own any files; it just needs to be able to read them. |
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| 02:39.06 | nsadmin | and authenticated ftp is -not- recommended |
| 02:39.13 | flypp | i know dondelelcaro , but i want write privileges to ftp-users |
| 02:40.14 | flypp | nsadmin, do you mean I should use anonymous accounts? |
| 02:40.36 | gnarface | flypp: what you are trying to do (give ftp write access to stuff that apache can be forced to read simply with a read-only http request) is fundamentally insecure on so many levels it boggles the imagination. please do not do this. if you do you are a hazard to yourself and others |
| 02:40.39 | nsadmin | more like you should be using ssh/scp |
| 02:43.05 | DanDare | sftp ? |
| 02:43.22 | gnarface | sftp is a standard part of openssh |
| 02:43.28 | gnarface | it's just a graphical front-end for scp really |
| 02:43.33 | DanDare | ok |
| 02:43.56 | gnarface | not to be confused with some old deprecated thing that was once called sftp too |
| 02:44.41 | fishcooker | i want to remote the current session on my box... |
| 02:44.56 | fishcooker | what package i needed, anyone?! |
| 02:45.10 | gnarface | the very newest openssh-server builds have a built-in chrooting feature for shell-less scp/sftp access that can be set up just with edits to the sshd_config; no chrooting necessary |
| 02:45.40 | gnarface | fishcooker: this is also a standard feature of ssh. you want to read about X11 forwarding |
| 02:47.19 | flypp | gnarface, nsadmin , thanks for the tips. I'll just put all ftp-users in ftp group. But... those users need write access to /var/www. It's dangerous to do a "chgrp ftp /var/www" and a "chmod g+w /var/www"? |
| 02:47.46 | gnarface | flypp: hell yes it is. god help you |
| 02:47.50 | flypp | xD |
| 02:50.31 | gnarface | don't say we didn't warn you... |
| 02:52.00 | flypp | ok, ok, I'll keep reading :D |
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| 02:52.28 | thepro4ever | i want to install the cmake package but i'm afraid too because i don't want to do a typical install |
| 02:52.36 | thepro4ever | i want to control where it gets installed too |
| 02:52.39 | thepro4ever | how can i do this |
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| 02:59.33 | thepro4ever | how do i search for what mysql packages are currently installed on my local system? |
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| 02:59.57 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep mysql |
| 02:59.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep mysql |
| 03:00.02 | gnarface | sorry, dpkg |
| 03:02.31 | fishcooker | gnarface: actually i want to package vnc like.. |
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| 03:03.00 | gnarface | fishcooker: then use vnc for christ sakes - it's not very efficient use of bandwidth though |
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| 03:06.43 | thepro4ever | is there anyway to change the install location of a package found with apt-get? |
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| 03:07.36 | gnarface | thepro4ever: probably not without repackaging it yourself |
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| 03:07.44 | thepro4ever | ideally i want to bundle the whole thing into one directory, create a symbolic link for the mysql command, i don't like the files being thrown all over the place by the package manager |
| 03:08.07 | thepro4ever | i can't stand that it does that to java installs |
| 03:08.12 | bill` | What should I look at to figure out how to speed up my 7-week old Lenny installation? It seems to be getting noticeably slower, esp. browsing (iceweasel or ephany). |
| 03:08.28 | thepro4ever | bill`: its all in your head |
| 03:08.53 | bill` | thepro4ever: I don't _really_ think my head is speeding up :-) |
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| 03:09.52 | gnarface | thepro4ever: probably it is easiest to make a package yourself from the source. you can use checkinstall for easy package-making from "make install" commands and you can use the ./configure options on most well-assembled sources to control what directories everything goes into. i recommend a prefix somewhere beneath /usr/local so as not to come in conflict with debian policy |
| 03:09.54 | thepro4ever | lenny has ran fine for me for 6 months, except for that time i uninstalled one chess package which for some reason whiped out all of the default lenny games |
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| 03:10.55 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: why do you want to change the default install location? |
| 03:11.26 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: and those packages will be removed if you had installed a game (or similar) metapackage, and that was the only reason they were installed anymore. |
| 03:11.48 | jhambo | Hey folks, I need to ssh to me@fileserver.foo.edu but that server doesn't allow connections from outside foo.edu. I can ssh to me@other.foo.edu from outside of foo.edu. How can I bounce my sftp connection off of other.foo.edu in order to access my files on fileserver.foo.edu? |
| 03:11.57 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: if you've ever had to do java installs to hundreds of windows pcs having the java install all in one folder makes for easy removal and install, automated removals sometimes fail blah blah, its easier to manage |
| 03:12.23 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: not when you're using Debian |
| 03:12.31 | jhambo | Sorry first sentence should have been "...I need to _sftp_ to me@fileserver.foo.edu..." |
| 03:12.43 | nsadmin | bill` iceweasel leaks ram horribly... if you leave it run, everything gets slower because less and less ram is available before swapping, then you start swapping and it gets really bad |
| 03:12.43 | dondelelcaro | jhambo: you use nc or similar |
| 03:12.45 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: plus i'm used to it in the windows world, to me splitting up a vendor install makes no sense |
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| 03:13.00 | gnarface | jhambo: ssh tunneling, port forwarding, netcat, clever firewalling with PF or iptables... the list goes on |
| 03:13.07 | nsadmin | it's not a very high-quality browser |
| 03:14.03 | dondelelcaro | jhambo: something like ProxyCommand sh -c 'exec ssh foohost nc -q 1:0 otherhostname 22 2>/dev/null'; or similar in your .ssh/config will work |
| 03:14.46 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: the windows world does all sorts of insane things that make long term maintenance very difficult |
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| 03:15.34 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: having a vendor install in one spot makes for easier maintenance |
| 03:15.47 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: not when you have a real packaging system underneath |
| 03:16.23 | bill` | nsadmin: Thanks for the confirmation; I thought I had noticed that. Is there a preferred browser? Epiphany? Something else? |
| 03:16.23 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: pffff shit happens and some files could get left behind especially if the administrator is lazy, over years your boxes get dirty |
| 03:16.31 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: that's why cruft exists |
| 03:16.39 | gnarface | thepro4ever: what dondelelcaro is saying, basically is that the things you don't like about where apt-get puts package components are well-thought-out and for your own good. it's better to understand them and apt-get before you go trying to make a square wheel. apt-get removals work very well if you understand the rules, and the placement of package components is based on a well-documented logical filesystem heirarchy that's ol |
| 03:16.39 | gnarface | der than linux and windows and probably you |
| 03:17.04 | bill` | nsadmin: Chrome? |
| 03:17.09 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: having it in one spot makes it easier to detect even in circumstances when the package manager claims everything is uninstalled or doesn't log a failure you can still easily script up something to go check that one location for remaining files |
| 03:17.10 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: and generally, if you're talking about enterprise level stuff, you just replace the hardware and the install periodically |
| 03:18.10 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: the package manager knows everything that it installed, and where it is; anything which is under hiearchies that it manages but it doesn't know about is cruft, and can be detected using the aptly named "cruft" package. |
| 03:18.22 | fishcooker | gnarface: actually i want to get the session where i logged... is there any option gnarface? |
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| 03:19.27 | nsadmin | I dunno, it's actually a hard problem to solve because the web service world is changing all the time, and people like javascript which along with java is probably the biggest reason for how much ram is taken up... as far as leaks, I don't know what's better, altho I will say I use konqueror |
| 03:19.32 | gnarface | fishcooker: if by "session" you mean X11 session, then no, i think whatever your solution you have to have it in place before you start up X, however vnc *might* do that ... been a while since i've tried it |
| 03:20.10 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: having things outside of the package managers install makes tracking security updates and long term maintenance far more difficult than it should be. That said, you're free to do whatever you want; I'm just telling you what works for me, and most of the other people I know who handle lots of enterprise level Debian deployments |
| 03:20.41 | fishcooker | thank.you gnarface for the quick response |
| 03:21.19 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: you have dirty boxes |
| 03:21.24 | bill` | nsadmin: I've used Konqueror before -- with Ubuntu and with some other distro before that...Do I get in trouble trying to use Konqueror with Gnome? I seem to recall Konqueror bringing along a bit more of KDE stuff that was a bit confusing. |
| 03:21.41 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: uh... hardly. |
| 03:21.54 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: i don't trust any package manaagers windows or linux based, some shit always gets left behind and someone has to clean it up |
| 03:21.59 | gnarface | lol @ the guy who wants to put everything in one directory calling someone else's boxes dirty |
| 03:22.09 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: i'd rather it all be in one place in those circumstances |
| 03:22.19 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: that's fine; you don't have to trust the package manager. Good luck with that. |
| 03:22.30 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: my boxes are clean |
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| 03:22.46 | jhambo | dondelelcaro: gnarface: thanks! |
| 03:22.52 | gnarface | thepro4ever: trust the debian package manager. if you take good care of it then it will take good care of you |
| 03:23.44 | thepro4ever | ls |
| 03:24.14 | gnarface | thepro4ever: i totally see where you're coming from. i've been there too, but this isn't 2001 and this isn't redhat 7.2 we're talking about here, ok? we're giving you this advice for your own good |
| 03:25.13 | thepro4ever | splitting the files into different locations only adds unecessary complexity |
| 03:25.25 | gnarface | it's NOT unnecessary |
| 03:25.43 | gnarface | the filesystem prefixes have documented purposes |
| 03:25.55 | gnarface | maybe you should read the debian policy manual a bit. it might help you |
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| 03:27.10 | thepro4ever | thanks for the advice |
| 03:27.58 | thepro4ever | can i get an holla from a dpkg believer! |
| 03:28.15 | civillian | holla? |
| 03:28.20 | thepro4ever | damn |
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| 03:28.29 | tuxG | trying to have my webcam working, i had this warning "The ALi m5602 webcam probably won't work until it's power cycled", is that mean i have to reboot ? |
| 03:28.37 | thepro4ever | later guys |
| 03:28.40 | imasaint | How do I enable a 2-button serial mouse for use with Debian 5.0.4 |
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| 03:29.00 | imasaint | hello? |
| 03:29.29 | gnarface | shoot he left before i could paste the relevant links |
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| 03:29.47 | imasaint | why isn't anyone responding |
| 03:30.02 | civillian | no one cares? |
| 03:30.22 | gnarface | thepro4ever could have stood to read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.1 and http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html - is there a dpkg info thing for these? |
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| 03:30.52 | gnarface | imasaint: should work out of the box. what's your problem? |
| 03:31.11 | imasaint | I'm trying to use a serial mouse on /dev/ttyS0, it won't wokr |
| 03:31.17 | imasaint | work |
| 03:31.20 | imasaint | It's not detected by X |
| 03:31.26 | imasaint | or console |
| 03:31.37 | gnarface | well for it to work at the console you'd need gdm installed |
| 03:31.42 | gnarface | er, not gdm |
| 03:31.46 | gnarface | hang on what am i thinking of? |
| 03:31.49 | civillian | gpm? |
| 03:31.53 | imasaint | alright |
| 03:31.57 | imasaint | How would I get it to work with X? |
| 03:32.14 | gnarface | yea, gpm |
| 03:32.48 | gnarface | imasaint: install gpm that should make it work at the console. in X it might not autodetect if it's old hardware. you might have to read the xorg.conf man page and create an entry for it manually |
| 03:33.03 | imasaint | Thanks |
| 03:33.15 | imasaint | how do I /detach in irssi |
| 03:33.32 | gnarface | no idea here. what's irssi? |
| 03:33.37 | imasaint | It's an IRC client |
| 03:33.40 | gnarface | oh console? |
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| 03:33.48 | gnarface | ctrl-z to background most processes |
| 03:33.50 | imasaint | In BitchX you could /detach to get to the DOS prompt, then type fg job# to get back |
| 03:33.51 | gnarface | fg to bring them back |
| 03:34.08 | imasaint | yeah, but if you Ctrl+Z an IRC client, it will put it on suspension completely, and will result in a ping timeout |
| 03:34.13 | imasaint | That's why BitchX has the /detach command |
| 03:34.23 | gnarface | ah. you should have started it within screen |
| 03:34.39 | gnarface | if you're remote, just open a new ssh terminal. if you're local, just use alt-f2 |
| 03:34.56 | imasaint | What if I already have gpm installed |
| 03:35.34 | gnarface | then it should have taken effect on boot, if nothing else, as long as the mouse was plugged in. some motherboard bioses fail to make ps2/at/serial ports hotplug |
| 03:35.55 | gnarface | make sure some punk ass didn't disable your com ports in the bios to free up an IRQ too - i do that all the time |
| 03:36.08 | gnarface | probably drives people insane |
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| 03:37.37 | gnarface | boy i hope he wasn't trying to make a local serial mouse get recognized on a box he was sshing into remotely.... |
| 03:39.19 | gnarface | i need a good way to debug insserv and/or sysv-rc |
| 03:39.32 | gnarface | enabling the boot log doesn't help |
| 03:39.37 | gnarface | anyone got any ideas? |
| 03:40.08 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: what's the problem? |
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| 03:41.33 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: an old problem i've had for a while. looks like a bug in insserv that was supposedly fixed in etch in 2007 - basically at multiple places during the boot process the system pauses indefinitely unless i hit any key. there's no error, no prompt, no signs of a struggle. the first couple times it happened to me i thought it was the system IO locking till i smacked the keybaord in frustration |
| 03:43.08 | gnarface | so i thought it was a race condition excited by concurrent booting, but after disabling it the problem remains. there must be some failed script(s) in the boot process that is/are bailing out to some sort of blank print io statement or something, but i have no idea how to find them |
| 03:46.11 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: i'm starting to wonder whether it could possibly be my keyboard but i keep forgetting to try booting without it plugged in during one of my very infrequent reboots |
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| 04:04.25 | thepro4ever | i'm having issues with dpkg, its trying to remove mysql-server-5.0 for me but never actually succeeds |
| 04:05.14 | streuner | thepro4ever: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 04:05.43 | gnarface | thepro4ever: --purge should do it - but mysql generates non-packaged data (like the databases and tables you created) that if i recall may not be something the package manager feels is safe to remove automatically |
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| 04:06.42 | gnarface | thepro4ever: you might want to stop mysql first too - may not be necessary but if it's currently got external processes reading/writing to tables it may |
| 04:08.01 | thepro4ever | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-18lenny4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 04:09.18 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 04:09.20 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
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| 04:11.25 | gnarface | thepro4ever: does it actually refuse to remove mysql-server-5.0 or does it remove it but complain that there were non-empty directories left behind? (like /usr/lib/mysql, perhaps?) |
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| 04:15.35 | thepro4ever | gnarface: i get the following, http://codepad.org/VQLdqtXj , but i have no idea if its safe to remove those perl packages its referencing |
| 04:16.04 | gnarface | haha |
| 04:16.08 | thepro4ever | it also claims its not installed but shows up in my grep |
| 04:16.13 | thepro4ever | i'm lost |
| 04:16.19 | gnarface | thepro4ever: don't panic. it's all normal |
| 04:16.39 | thepro4ever | ahhhhhhh i'm pulling my hair out |
| 04:16.55 | gnarface | thepro4ever: mysql-server-5.0 was removed in it's entirety. if you want to make sure it was cleanly removed (config files included) then do dpkg --purge mysql-server-5.0 |
| 04:17.18 | gnarface | thepro4ever: the other message about those perl packages is unrelated. they're just obsoleted packages. if you do like it says and run apt-get autoremove they'll be removed too |
| 04:18.01 | gnarface | thepro4ever: you'd get messages about orphaned packages no matter what apt-get action you did. apt-get autoremove is specifically for ditching such packages |
| 04:19.15 | gnarface | massive upgrades often elicit notices to run apt-get autoremove - packages come and go, and change names, leaving obsoleted versions with no dependencies - that's what the note is telling you |
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| 04:19.51 | gnarface | i've *never* had apt-get autoremove break anything. it's pretty good about knowing which packages are actually obsolete |
| 04:20.45 | gnarface | those ones (i'm just guessing here) represent functionality that was popular enough to be moved into the core perl package and are thus redundant and simply wasting disk space |
| 04:21.28 | gnarface | ok? |
| 04:21.31 | gnarface | take a deep breath |
| 04:21.36 | gnarface | everything is ok |
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| 04:24.31 | thepro4ever | this is crazy |
| 04:24.35 | gnarface | hopes thepro4ever didn't just explode because of a apt-get "situation normal" |
| 04:24.48 | thepro4ever | i think i'm gonna go get a tar off the net and just extract this crap |
| 04:24.58 | gnarface | wait |
| 04:25.01 | gnarface | don't do that |
| 04:25.03 | jv | Anyone encountered random networking issues with xen on debian? |
| 04:25.03 | gnarface | do what i said |
| 04:25.16 | thepro4ever | i did |
| 04:25.33 | gnarface | thepro4ever: just run apt-get autoremove, then run dpkg --purge mysql-server-5.0, then run apt-get update and install whatever you were going to install. it's all good |
| 04:25.58 | gnarface | isn't it? |
| 04:26.08 | gnarface | don't let the verbosity of the output scare you |
| 04:26.20 | gnarface | nothing in your pastebin output looked like cause for panic |
| 04:27.00 | thepro4ever | its failing now due to unmet dependencies, http://codepad.org/r9YSQD5H , i tried to install those invidual packages showing up as dependencies and i end up getting more dependency errors for each package i try |
| 04:27.21 | gnarface | wait |
| 04:27.26 | gnarface | no no |
| 04:27.30 | gnarface | normal too, if you're not on lenny |
| 04:27.33 | thepro4ever | i tried to install the client-5.1 and got more |
| 04:27.37 | thepro4ever | i'm on lenny |
| 04:27.47 | gnarface | are you sure? pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:28.11 | gnarface | oh wait |
| 04:28.26 | gnarface | well pastebin it anyway, just to be sure.... but the problem is mysql-server-5.1 isn't *in* lenny yet |
| 04:28.37 | thepro4ever | http://codepad.org/oNYDWtZt |
| 04:28.39 | gnarface | lenny was frozen way back while it was still beta |
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| 04:29.14 | thepro4ever | so i can't get the 5.1 version on lenny? |
| 04:29.38 | gnarface | hmm. well i'm kinda surprised it's not in backports actually |
| 04:29.45 | gnarface | ,versions mysql-server |
| 04:29.47 | judd | mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-backports: 5.1.47-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-1; squeeze: 5.1.49-1 |
| 04:29.59 | gnarface | hmm. should be in backports |
| 04:30.30 | gnarface | can someone look at thepro4ever's sources.list file? |
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| 04:30.38 | gnarface | not sure it's all kosher |
| 04:31.47 | gnarface | thepro4ever: when is the last time you ran apt-get update? |
| 04:32.14 | max___ | I recently upgraded my kernel using apt and now my 3w-xxxx driver seems to be loaded after my onboard sil_sata driver. I'm now unable to boot because what used to be sda is now sdc. Is there a way I can fix this from busybox or grub? |
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| 04:33.26 | gnarface | max___: i think the correct way these days is to use UUIDs instead of drive letters, however your system BIOS will often have the ability to control whether onboard drive controllers boot before or after offboard ones |
| 04:34.04 | gnarface | max___: (UUID's are guaranteed to be unique regardless of drive boot order, /dev/sd* is not) |
| 04:34.09 | max___ | well it's booting off the 3ware properly, but the kernel doesnt seem to find it until it's already found the onboard drives |
| 04:34.47 | max___ | i'm using remote kvm, so i'm stuck with busybox/grub for the night, and it wasnt clear how to get uuid from a drive for either |
| 04:35.02 | gnarface | thepro4ever: apt-get update? |
| 04:35.07 | max___ | but hd0 in grub is still the same drive |
| 04:35.24 | gnarface | max___: look into /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 04:35.44 | gnarface | (symlinks) |
| 04:35.54 | thepro4ever | sorry one minute |
| 04:35.56 | max___ | ah nice. |
| 04:36.09 | max___ | now if i edit the fstab to use uuid should this magically work? |
| 04:36.32 | gnarface | max___: also look into /dev/disk - there are a couple other useful sets of symlinks in there but the by-uuid may be the only ones guarenteed unique even if you have not labeled your partitions |
| 04:36.45 | gnarface | max___: yea hang on let me pastebin my fstab so you can see the syntax |
| 04:36.49 | Dewi | labelling is also good |
| 04:37.40 | ScottG | Good media converting program? |
| 04:37.42 | Dewi | max___: depending what has moved, you might need to configure grub as well as fstab |
| 04:38.06 | Dewi | ScottG: handbrake is popular |
| 04:38.10 | thepro4ever | gnarface: i ran apt-get update and still get the unmet dependency errors |
| 04:38.11 | gnarface | max___: some upgrade script *should* have prompted you to do this automatically: http://pastebin.com/89rXFRQv (ignore the cruft - i've got legacy crap in there still) |
| 04:38.24 | karlpinc | !why aptitude |
| 04:38.24 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 04:38.54 | ScottG | Dewi: Only for video? |
| 04:39.13 | max___ | i'll try this out. thanks gnarface! |
| 04:39.16 | Dewi | ScottG: dunno. |
| 04:39.27 | gnarface | thepro4ever: ok so try aptitude like karlpinc suggests. maybe it'll do it for you - but your issue seems weird. have you upgraded/downgraded from another debian branch without calling dist-upgrade to do it? |
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| 04:40.54 | gnarface | max___: good luck. not sure how to do this with grub2, it was done automatically for me |
| 04:42.32 | thepro4ever | aptitude is asking alot of shit and i'm just answering yes to all like a monkey and it appears to be working |
| 04:43.07 | gnarface | maybe it's repairing your install |
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| 04:43.49 | thepro4ever | we have lift off |
| 04:43.49 | gnarface | a bit of advice: if you switch between debian branches, like from lenny to squeeze, or etch to lenny, for example, the first upgrade you do should be "apt-get dist-upgrade" (or the aptitude equivalent) rather than just a normal "upgrade" - make sense? |
| 04:44.08 | thepro4ever | lenny is my first linux install |
| 04:44.23 | gnarface | alright, well, crisis averted at least? |
| 04:44.27 | thepro4ever | i had no idea what i was doing when installing it and it completely erased windows |
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| 04:44.36 | gnarface | woops |
| 04:44.38 | thepro4ever | now i'm just using it |
| 04:44.42 | gnarface | and nothing of value was lost |
| 04:44.45 | thepro4ever | it makes no difference to me |
| 04:44.57 | thepro4ever | nope |
| 04:45.32 | LRN | Is it possible to install packages with dpkg, ignoring "Depends:" field? |
| 04:45.53 | thepro4ever | my mother tried to use an ipod shuffle she bought and it caused me a great deal of stress to try and get it working which i never could, i tried something called gtkpod which placed the tracks on it but didn't synch the itunes db so i gave up and she took it back |
| 04:46.10 | gnarface | thepro4ever: keep backups if you've got the disk space - it's perfectly normal to hose your first few installs accidentally till you start to grok the weird world of disk partitions |
| 04:46.11 | Oak | hi, I want to install and use Debian, but all my hard disk partitions are in ext4 from old distribution. What are my options? |
| 04:46.29 | LRN | Because i need debhelper (at buildtime) to build dpkg, and i can't install debhelper, because debhelper requires dpkg-dev (provided by dpkg source package) at runtime |
| 04:47.08 | Bushmills | Oak: installer can create file systems. after installation, your chosen partition won't be an ext4 anymore |
| 04:47.11 | gnarface | dpkg: tell Oak about kmuto |
| 04:47.30 | gnarface | kmuto has ext4 support right? |
| 04:47.33 | Oak | what about my data> |
| 04:47.35 | Oak | ? |
| 04:47.46 | Oak | 161GB of data! |
| 04:47.46 | gnarface | Oak: i think kmuto has ext4 support |
| 04:47.57 | Bushmills | if you have no free space, you can't really install a new operating system |
| 04:48.00 | Oak | Googling kmuto |
| 04:48.07 | dondelelcaro | LRN: debhelper is architecture all, so you don't need to build it to bootstrap an architecture |
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| 04:48.12 | gnarface | Oak: the bot should have just given you the link |
| 04:48.26 | Oak | oh yes, thanks |
| 04:48.35 | LRN | dondelelcaro, ok, i don't need to build it. How do i *install* it without having dpkg-dev around? |
| 04:48.47 | dondelelcaro | LRN: why can't you install Debian's version of dpkg-dev, btw? |
| 04:49.03 | dondelelcaro | LRN: you can force it to be installed, but if you don't have dpkg-dev, you don't have a working version of dpkg |
| 04:49.13 | LRN | dondelelcaro, because i need to build everything from the source |
| 04:49.13 | dondelelcaro | so... I'm not sure how you expect it to be installed |
| 04:49.17 | dondelelcaro | LRN: why? |
| 04:49.44 | LRN | Just assume that i have unsupported architecture, so pre-built binary packages aren't suitable |
| 04:50.01 | dondelelcaro | LRN: what's the real reason? |
| 04:50.01 | gnarface | LRN: debian has worked pretty hard to make this not the case. how sure are you that it's an unsupported arch? |
| 04:50.15 | LRN | I won't tell you the real reason. |
| 04:50.25 | dondelelcaro | uh... then we can't help you |
| 04:50.35 | gnarface | LRN: if the real reason is you're a meth head then maybe you should try Gentoo - i hear it's for ricers |
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| 04:51.01 | gnarface | i wouldn't put it into production again though... man was that a mistake |
| 04:51.15 | LRN | *sigh* |
| 04:51.25 | LRN | So you have no idea how to start from scratch? |
| 04:51.30 | karlpinc | gnarface: The best advice to give someone regarding upgrading debian verisons is to have them follow the release notes. Otherwise things can get wack. |
| 04:51.33 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: insulting people isn't terribly useful |
| 04:51.36 | gnarface | LRN: seriously. if you need to build everything from source, then Gentoo is *really* a good distro for you |
| 04:51.43 | max___ | gnarface: just noticed there's nothing in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ for the swap partition |
| 04:51.47 | gnarface | LRN: but you gotta *need* it |
| 04:51.51 | dondelelcaro | LRN: I know how to port to new architectures. Which apparently isn't what you're doing. |
| 04:51.56 | LRN | gnarface, i know that Gentoo is like that, but i don't need Gentoo, i need dpkg |
| 04:52.10 | dondelelcaro | LRN: if you don't tell me what you're actually trying to do, and why you're trying to do, I can't tell you what you should be doing. |
| 04:52.22 | gnarface | karlpinc, dondelelcaro sorry. i'll back off. my bad |
| 04:52.45 | ScottG | What does a 'c' in front of a package mean in aptitude output? |
| 04:53.02 | karlpinc | ScottG: It means the config files still exist. |
| 04:53.07 | LRN | dondelelcaro, why 'i am porting dpkg&friends to new architecture' is not a good answer? |
| 04:53.23 | karlpinc | ScottG: To get rid of them you have to do more than uninstall, you must purge. |
| 04:53.28 | ScottG | karlpinc: "THE" config file? |
| 04:53.34 | ScottG | Oh ok, that is what I thought you mean |
| 04:53.40 | gnarface | max___: that's kinda weird. this UUID thing is new to me too. how sure are you that you have a swap partition? mine is in there |
| 04:53.44 | dondelelcaro | LRN: if that's the case, then I want to know which architecture, and why you apparently already have dpkg built? |
| 04:53.46 | ScottG | So I basically just did a "remove" and not a "purge" |
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| 04:54.23 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's difficult to build dpkg and dpkg-dev once you've got a working compiler, and then package debhelper, and then rebuild dpkg |
| 04:54.29 | dondelelcaro | s/package/install/ |
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| 04:54.51 | max___ | gnarface: it's in /dev/ |
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| 04:55.17 | karlpinc | max___: Swap devices can have a uuid. IIRC it's a mkswap thing. |
| 04:55.33 | dondelelcaro | since the only calls to debhelper that the dpkg build do is to build a debian package, which you don't need to do the first time around when you're bootstraping |
| 04:55.37 | max___ | i take it you mean cant? |
| 04:55.55 | gnarface | karlpinc, max___ will it appear magically if he runs mkswap on the /dev/sd* node? |
| 04:56.05 | karlpinc | max___: No, can. There's some sort of header. |
| 04:56.11 | dondelelcaro | max___: they can; mkswap takes a -U option |
| 04:56.20 | dondelelcaro | (and presumably it creates one by default) |
| 04:56.28 | gnarface | ScottG: (yes) |
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| 04:57.21 | gnarface | dondelelcaro, karlpinc i didn't have to do that - something did it for me... my swap partition got a UUID like everything else. why? |
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| 04:58.08 | karlpinc | gnarface: It gets one like it or not, but you can specify a value if you need to. |
| 04:58.24 | gnarface | is still mystified by these UUID things - even more so that they worked without my help |
| 04:58.41 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: because mkswap generates one for you |
| 04:59.18 | LRN | dondelelcaro, ok, i'll see where i can get with this. I'll poke you in case i have something really unsolvable (i mean, i can always hack /var/lib/dpkg/status to claim that debhelper is 'install ok installed', i just thought that there are other ways of doing this) |
| 04:59.30 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: so they're stored somewhere on the partition like disk labels? |
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| 05:00.19 | dondelelcaro | LRN: uh... why do you care what dpkg thinks? If you've got a working dpkg, you install dpkg-dev. |
| 05:00.24 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: presumably |
| 05:00.42 | gnarface | magic!! |
| 05:00.47 | gnarface | gasps |
| 05:01.06 | dondelelcaro | LRN: if you don't, then it doesn't matter what dpkg thinks, 'cause it's not working... |
| 05:01.58 | LRN | dondelelcaro, ah, well, then i'll inject dpkg-dev into the system and hack status to tell debhelper (when it does the dep checking) that dpkg-dev is installed |
| 05:02.15 | LRN | That might just work |
| 05:02.37 | dondelelcaro | ... |
| 05:02.59 | max___ | gnarface: awesome, changed to uuid in fstab/menu.lst and it seems to boot up, albeit without a swap |
| 05:03.18 | max___ | any idea how i can force the 3ware drives to be recognized before the onboard? |
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| 05:04.14 | gnarface | max___: there might be a grub option to force drive orders but the first place i'd check is in the motherboard BIOS and the 3ware bios itself |
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| 05:05.01 | max___ | it's set as drive 0 in the bios, and grub sees it as hd0, it just seems like 3ware takes too long to respond so it ends up being sdc instead of sda |
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| 05:05.08 | max___ | i'll take a look at my dmesg/google |
| 05:05.17 | gnarface | max___: any *good* server motherboard (and a lot of the good desktop ones) should have an option in there SOMEWHERE for booting offboard drive controllers before the onbaoard one |
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| 05:05.58 | gnarface | max___: sadly sometimes the options is simply "sorry, but you can't *do* that with commodity hardware" |
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| 05:07.43 | gnarface | max___: did once see an issue with an onbaord ibm fakeraid controller in a dell desktop server like this though - the solution was weird, ended up being "enable pata emulation mode" in the bios |
| 05:08.08 | gnarface | (it was a sata fakeraid) |
| 05:08.13 | max___ | hmm |
| 05:08.28 | gnarface | grub was all kinds of confused about which order it should be |
| 05:08.34 | max___ | it seemed to be working fine on the original kernel. i think it's just a matter of which drivers it fires up first |
| 05:08.49 | max___ | grub and the bios seem to see everything in the proper order, it's just how they're lettered |
| 05:09.04 | gnarface | possible really |
| 05:09.18 | gnarface | i thought UUID's were supposed to be all about fixing this issue across the board |
| 05:09.43 | max___ | well i'm curious to see how broken this box would become if i altered the 3ware setup at all |
| 05:09.58 | max___ | e.g. replace a bad drive or something and the uuid of the virtual disk changes |
| 05:10.12 | gnarface | i always fixed it by just replacing the hardware with something better behaved - but the 3ware card may have it's own POST bios that you can jack with. it's worth at least looking at the settings |
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| 05:19.44 | gnarface | max___: actually that scares me about UUID's too. you might want to consider to going by disk label (/dev/disk/by-label) instead perhaps. i was really comfortable with the whole "naming implicitly by order" thing but people in your position were apparently not |
| 05:20.29 | max___ | i'll check it out |
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| 05:31.49 | yardleydobon | I'm trying to download a few pdfs all linked to from one simple html file on a website and it will only download the html file. I've used wget lots of times and I cant see why it isn't working. |
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| 05:32.07 | yardleydobon | http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/dapp/index.html |
| 05:32.20 | max___ | wget -m? |
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| 05:32.56 | nkuttler | wget can download by file extension etc |
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| 05:35.20 | yardleydobon | wget -m worked thanks |
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| 05:35.39 | yardleydobon | not sure why it wouldn't follow the links regularly though |
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| 05:37.13 | ondrejk | hello, what cli music player do you use? im using moc but i miss few features, like selecting multiple files and so on ... |
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| 05:37.44 | nkuttler | ondrejk: select multiple files? |
| 05:37.53 | nkuttler | as in playlists? |
| 05:38.16 | max___ | gnarface: looks like the reason may be that it's currently rebuilding |
| 05:38.16 | ondrejk | nkuttler: sometimes i want to select multiple files in playlist and delete/move them |
| 05:38.48 | max___ | [ 4.671526] ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 |
| 05:38.48 | max___ | [ 12.792380] scsi4 : 3ware Storage Controller |
| 05:38.55 | max___ | takes 8 seconds to fire up |
| 05:39.03 | nkuttler | ondrejk: in cplay you can tag files |
| 05:39.39 | ondrejk | nkuttler: what music player do you use? if i may ask |
| 05:39.58 | nkuttler | ondrejk: quodlibet |
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| 05:40.45 | ondrejk | nkuttler: quodlibet looks good but there's probably not it's cli version |
| 05:41.08 | nkuttler | ondrejk: no :/ |
| 05:41.17 | Oak | will I be able to use VLC with *all* codecs (non-free?) on Debian Lenny? |
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| 05:42.29 | yardleydobon | I have a very low opinion of vlc in lenny. |
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| 05:42.48 | yardleydobon | It wouldn't play many files properly. |
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| 05:43.15 | Oak | what do you use yardleydobon to play? |
| 05:43.45 | nkuttler | Oak: mplayer plays pretty much everything |
| 05:44.20 | Oak | ok |
| 05:44.22 | yardleydobon | I'm using testing now. vlc works much better in testing. |
| 05:45.47 | Oak | ok, thanks |
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| 05:56.53 | JairunCaloth | Is there any particular reasion to use fat16 as the FS for a live USB image? |
| 05:57.30 | JairunCaloth | I'm considering changing to at least ext2 |
| 05:57.49 | JairunCaloth | using live-helper to build the image. |
| 05:58.04 | nsadmin | what's using fat16? |
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| 05:58.13 | JairunCaloth | it's live-helper's default |
| 05:58.58 | nsadmin | I would think it shouldn't be |
| 05:59.13 | JairunCaloth | it seemed a little odd to me as well |
| 05:59.26 | JairunCaloth | especially for a live-usb |
| 05:59.27 | nsadmin | and I'd say it might be worth trying each |
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| 06:00.13 | nsadmin | try the fat16 to see if it works in any way whatsoever (I'd expect it might work but badly) |
| 06:00.16 | JairunCaloth | well, it certianly works as fat16. I took the defaults the first time. Now I'm working on rolling something a little more customised. |
| 06:00.46 | nsadmin | what are you customizing other than the fs type? |
| 06:01.11 | JairunCaloth | installed packages, usernames, I don't know whatall else yet |
| 06:01.33 | JairunCaloth | I'm having to dig through the config files to edit them by hand since the documentation kinda blows |
| 06:01.45 | nsadmin | so you're not actually ready to write the image yet |
| 06:02.31 | JairunCaloth | nope, not this one. I'm still digging through the config files and making changes. |
| 06:02.43 | nsadmin | what purpose does a live image serve for your particular case? |
| 06:03.33 | JairunCaloth | rescue/generall I need linux and I'm at my parents house/fun/profit |
| 06:04.12 | nsadmin | oic and there's no unpartitioned space and your box is not present |
| 06:05.44 | JairunCaloth | better then liveCD's for rescue too, since if I need to wipe a disk I can get people's files backed up first if needed. |
| 06:06.00 | JairunCaloth | at least the important stuff |
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| 06:07.42 | JairunCaloth | live-helper seems to be really flexible. |
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| 06:11.50 | Raptors | pulseaudio isn't outputing any sound |
| 06:11.51 | Raptors | : |
| 06:11.52 | Raptors | :\ |
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| 06:13.42 | Raptors | I have the volume control thing and its showing totam is outputting sound |
| 06:13.49 | Raptors | but its not coming to my speakers |
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| 06:31.29 | Raptors | kk I fixed it |
| 06:31.43 | Raptors | I ditched totem and got mplayer |
| 06:31.56 | Raptors | Does anyone know if there is a mplayer firefox/chrome plugin? |
| 06:32.17 | Raptors | and how I can remove the totem pluging without removing gnome? |
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| 06:40.39 | gnarface | Raptors: there is not an mplayer plugin, as far as i know, but there is another media player called VLC which has a plugin and may also play what you are trying to play. as for removing the totem plugin - i wouldn't. keep it around. you never know when you might need it. |
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| 06:41.15 | Raptors | gnarface, I know about vlc but it wont play wmv that I have properly :\ |
| 06:41.21 | Raptors | audio isn't working |
| 06:41.52 | Raptors | its still my main video player but I want mplayer for my browser |
| 06:42.01 | gnarface | Raptors: sorry. :( |
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| 06:42.26 | gnarface | Raptors: i've had real good luck with wmv files in particular in xine - but again, no plugin for it |
| 06:42.35 | gnarface | you should write one! |
| 06:42.36 | melik | is there a file similar to /etc/debian_version that is only found on debian systems and not ubuntu? |
| 06:43.08 | dondelelcaro | melik: why don't you just use lsb_release?: |
| 06:43.25 | dondelelcaro | any distributor who is sane will fix it so that that changes |
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| 06:44.41 | melik | dondelelcaro: does debian use /etc/lsb-release? |
| 06:44.49 | melik | my debian system doesn't have it o.O |
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| 06:45.02 | melik | can you please pastebin the contents of it, i'd really apreciate it |
| 06:46.39 | jelly-home | melik: it's a command, not a file |
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| 06:59.41 | melik | where does lsb_release get its information from |
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| 07:03.47 | jpinx-eeepc | melik: http://www.gnulinuxclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156&Itemid=50 |
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| 07:05.01 | melik | jpinx-eeepc: does debian come with /etc/lsb-release |
| 07:05.13 | jpinx-eeepc | melik: I believe not |
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| 07:05.35 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions lsb_release |
| 07:05.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lsb_release' was found. |
| 07:05.41 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions lsb-release |
| 07:05.42 | judd | lsb-release -- etch: 3.1-23.2etch1; lenny: 3.2-20; sid: 3.2-23.1; squeeze: 3.2-23.1 |
| 07:05.53 | Raptors | if anyone was wonder (probably weren't) I found a mplayer plugin in the debian repo "gecko-mediaplayer". |
| 07:06.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !lsb-release |
| 07:06.45 | Raptors | It works amazingly, but to get it to work I had to go to "about:plugins" in chromium and disable vlc/totem plugins |
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| 07:09.52 | Raptors | Do they release kernel updates for debian sid or do I have to add another repo/build it myself |
| 07:10.01 | Raptors | ? |
| 07:10.21 | jelly-home | Raptors: all packages for testing land in sid first |
| 07:11.21 | Raptors | kk |
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| 07:29.47 | dupondje | somebody knows if there is a way to show the current user of a tun device ? |
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| 07:32.02 | sep | i have a problem with wrong keymaps when i use rdp from inside a rdesktop session (rdp in rdp), anyone know what is wrong ? google only show me countless pages on the variation of rdesktop -k ; or are there other tools replacing rdesktop in debian ? |
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| 07:34.04 | tarzeau | sep: nope rdesktop is teh one |
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| 07:36.03 | sep | problem is that all numbers keys shows things like 1234567=ÄÃðÄÅħÄÅj |
| 07:36.35 | tarzeau | why do you rdp from an rdp session to another? |
| 07:36.43 | tarzeau | sep: just rdp directly to the other? |
| 07:37.02 | sep | tarzeau, hehe if that was possible i would ofcourse |
| 07:37.08 | tarzeau | sep: make it possible |
| 07:37.22 | sep | tarzeau, policyes prevent me from that i am afraid |
| 07:37.29 | sep | (no i dont make them) |
| 07:37.30 | tarzeau | sep: change policy then |
| 07:37.53 | tarzeau | oh .norway with the taxes and regulations on EVERY THING! |
| 07:38.06 | tarzeau | sep: emmigrate :) |
| 07:38.20 | sep | well this is company policy tho. |
| 07:38.37 | tarzeau | sep: is it for security? |
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| 07:38.59 | sep | yes |
| 07:39.25 | tarzeau | sep: it's not increasing security |
| 07:39.30 | sep | atleast their perception of security |
| 07:39.50 | tarzeau | sep: have fun debugging/improving rdesktop :) |
| 07:39.55 | sep | tarzeau, we have this argument each lunch... |
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| 07:41.09 | sep | tarzeau, my backup is a windows xp box that i have synergy+ on... if you think rdesktop have keymap issues. try synergy :s |
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| 07:43.52 | sep | one rdp to reach a machine that can reach the vpn to the clients. another rdp to reach the machine that let you run the documentation. and one rdp to write houers. luckily i only do this struggle once every 8-10 week or so,. but still... *argh* |
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| 07:48.43 | gnarface | sep: you tried messing with the default encoding on the first and second boxes in the chain at all? |
| 07:48.58 | gnarface | it might have something to do with unicode incompatibility |
| 07:49.05 | gnarface | just guessing at stuff here |
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| 07:50.11 | sep | gnarface, ... that was a good idea. |
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| 07:55.21 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 07:55.37 | stockholm | hi |
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| 07:56.18 | AlexC_ | is it possible to remove multiple packages using regex/wildcard? Such as 'apt-get remove "*foo"' I get "E: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression" |
| 07:56.33 | stockholm | i think you use ~ |
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| 07:57.42 | xover | I have a usb hub with four ports, it has a power adapter yet my my hard drives are not spinning up, how do i check the device is installed correctly? |
| 07:57.59 | jacekowski | lsusb |
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| 08:04.05 | xover | jacekowski, the problem here is that the hub doesnt power my devices. |
| 08:04.16 | xover | if i plug in two HDD it doesnt work. |
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| 08:04.42 | Cope | moin |
| 08:04.42 | cheasee | moin moin :) |
| 08:04.49 | jelly-home | xover: and if you plug in just one? |
| 08:04.58 | xover | it works |
| 08:05.10 | xover | if i have a powered and unpowered devices its ok |
| 08:05.38 | xover | the power cable is supposed to feed all four ports, but it seems like its just drawing power from the usb port on the laptop. |
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| 08:06.25 | jelly-home | xover: did you test the hub while it wasn't connected to the a computer? |
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| 08:07.06 | xover | jelly, how can i do that, the drive doesnt spin without the instruction to do so |
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| 08:07.49 | jelly-home | xover: hm. |
| 08:08.06 | xover | ok i pulled out the cable and the drive still spins |
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| 08:09.00 | xover | this comes up in the device list. |
| 08:09.01 | xover | Bus 001 Device 023: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB |
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| 08:11.12 | jelly-home | if its specs say it ought to power more than one and it's still under warranty, return it |
| 08:12.56 | xover | that isnt going to be easy this africa |
| 08:13.01 | xover | the land of no returns. |
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| 08:13.27 | jacekowski | nigger country |
| 08:13.35 | jacekowski | nigger land* i meant |
| 08:14.03 | nsadmin | !ops jacekowski hate speech |
| 08:14.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: jacekowski hate speech |
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| 08:14.24 | RichiH | jacekowski: hi. can we help you? |
| 08:14.30 | jacekowski | ehh |
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| 08:21.54 | timebd | hi |
| 08:22.27 | mathbr | Hi. Who can I blame for the non-existance of this file: http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/06/27/navigating-the-policykit-maze/ ;-) |
| 08:22.57 | mathbr | Only with this file and launching my X session with ck-launch-session prepended I can actually open my USB drive. |
| 08:22.57 | nsadmin | mathbr: the person who didn't put it somewhere? |
| 08:23.30 | mathbr | nsadmin: The question is if this file should be provided by default by Debian. Iâd say yes since otherwise USB drive access wonât work. |
| 08:23.34 | nsadmin | why do you want to blame someone? this is a free os, and free help is available. |
| 08:23.39 | nsadmin | you got what you paid for |
| 08:23.44 | mathbr | nsadmin: See the " ;-) " |
| 08:24.03 | nsadmin | and congratulations are in order as well, for you solving your problme |
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| 08:24.56 | Dewi | mathbr: there are different ways of doing automount |
| 08:25.09 | Dewi | mathbr: I'm not really across them but maybe it could be a wishlist for one of them? |
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| 08:25.44 | mathbr | AFAIS that file could be provided by the udisks package? |
| 08:26.12 | mathbr | Iâve limited the policy to members of the good old plugdev group which makes sense from my POV. |
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| 08:27.14 | Dewi | mathbr: or maybe it belongs with something like libpolkit-gnome0 ... or something ? |
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| 08:28.02 | mathbr | Should not be DE dependent, in fact actually not even X dependent. |
| 08:28.02 | Finetic | Recommendable company to buy dedicated server from in europe? anyone have suggeestions? |
| 08:28.41 | mathbr | Iâd expect to be able to "udisks --mount /dev/my-drive" too without X. |
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| 08:33.32 | Dewi | mathbr: well I can tell you as somebody who runs a lot of servers that nothing automount related happens without X |
| 08:33.42 | Dewi | (or manually adding actual automount-related packages) |
| 08:35.26 | Dewi | has never used it, it's not that core a feature, to me at least :) |
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| 08:38.20 | nsadmin | mathbr: typically a server mounts devices from /etc/fstab |
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| 08:38.59 | alcohol | weird, I have a script that is run from cron and generates output in some cases |
| 08:39.04 | alcohol | however this output is never mailed to me |
| 08:39.13 | alcohol | but running the script shows it does generate output |
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| 08:39.34 | nsadmin | let's separate the issues |
| 08:39.48 | nsadmin | create a test script, just echo hello |
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| 08:40.04 | nsadmin | schedule that as a cron job |
| 08:40.10 | nsadmin | does output get mailed to you? |
| 08:40.20 | bolt | or just schedule "echo hello", for that matter |
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| 08:41.14 | alcohol | schedules cron-test |
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| 08:42.10 | alcohol | oh |
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| 08:42.16 | alcohol | I think I have a loop in my mail |
| 08:42.17 | alcohol | :< |
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| 08:43.11 | alcohol | http://pastebin.com/erz8ieHk |
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| 08:44.01 | alcohol | seems it does not deliver to local users |
| 08:44.14 | mathbr | nsadmin: Yes, true. But I have mostly a workstation here and a considerable amount of Debian users does the same. And they are very likely to expect removable disk access to work out of the box for them. |
| 08:44.36 | nsadmin | it does |
| 08:44.46 | nsadmin | you have mount and umount |
| 08:44.58 | mathbr | Which does not work for anything != root. |
| 08:45.03 | alcohol | su |
| 08:45.04 | mathbr | Unless there are fstab entries for that. |
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| 08:46.26 | mathbr | From my POV a regular user should be allowed to access removable media. Udisks is supposed to allow for this. Which yields the question what Debian wants to provide by default. |
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| 08:47.10 | mathbr | Which is why I came here in the first place. :-) |
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| 09:06.11 | mathbr | Asked differently: what is the proper way to start X without DM and have /etc/X11/Xsession.d processed? (I see a consolekit script in there.) |
| 09:06.52 | mathbr | ATM I am just using startx with my ~/.xinitrc sourcing /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc |
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| 09:19.32 | Nirkus | hi! is there a way to install xen-hypervisor amd64 on lenny i386 dom0 using aptitude/apt-get for updates? |
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| 09:22.29 | TZug | using lspci -v I get some usefull informations about some hardware in my PC. My problem is, that I need this information during bootup and lspci is not suited for that purpose. |
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| 09:22.39 | TZug | I got some port informations from /proc/bus/pci/devices , but Is there another way to get the IRQ information my hardware is assigned to over a similar way? |
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| 09:27.44 | AlexC_ | is there a way to find out the build dependencies given a programs source? |
| 09:28.04 | WhiteSpi | Hi All. When I create a new user, I can't telnet to localhost, but when I'm root, I can |
| 09:28.06 | WhiteSpi | any idea why? |
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| 09:28.49 | AlexC_ | 'can't? |
| 09:29.20 | WhiteSpi | ? |
| 09:29.36 | mathbr | Alam_Squeeze: If you run ./configure it should complain about missing dependencies. |
| 09:29.50 | AlexC_ | WhiteSpi: what does "can't" mean? |
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| 09:30.11 | AlexC_ | mathbr: to me I guess. Yeah, I know I can - just wondered if there was a way to get them without having to do that every tiem |
| 09:30.25 | WhiteSpi | AlexC_: I'm not sure what you mean... can't as in "can not" |
| 09:30.39 | mathbr | Not really Iâm afraid, unless it already has been packaged. |
| 09:30.59 | AlexC_ | WhiteSpi: sure, but why can't you? Does the server grow legs and run away? Does it explode when you try it? Does it empty your /etc directory? |
| 09:31.07 | WhiteSpi | oj lol |
| 09:31.10 | WhiteSpi | I get this |
| 09:31.10 | WhiteSpi | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 09:31.10 | WhiteSpi | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
| 09:31.20 | WhiteSpi | but as root, it works fine |
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| 09:34.40 | TZug | how does lspci gets the information about hardware IRQs? |
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| 09:35.57 | brabo | hey, yesterday i ran updates that messed something up, if i switch urxvt windows in flux, it shows the next window, but then it redraws the whole urxvt window again... any ideas how i can correct this? |
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| 09:41.05 | nsadmin | TZug: the source is available, read it and see |
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| 09:49.41 | freddy__ | Hi, I'm a newbee concerning raid and have installed debian with raid 0 on 2 disks. Now I want to know if they are running properly. cat /proc/mdstat says 'actibe raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] ... and mdadm --detail /dev/md0 says ... raid level 1 ... raid devices 2 ... state clean. But if I stops the computer, take out one of the disks and reboot I get a 'missing device failure' before being able to load the kernel... Anyone that can help me further fr |
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| 09:50.22 | nsadmin | freddy__: I'd suggest you put the drive back |
| 09:50.22 | Deesl | freddy__: are you new with Debian or new at RAID as well? |
| 09:50.36 | freddy__ | nsadmin: yeah already done that |
| 09:50.46 | SPF | freddy__: raid0 needs both disks |
| 09:51.03 | freddy__ | sorry - it is raid 1 |
| 09:51.37 | freddy__ | Deesl: not completely new on debian - run it for a couple of years |
| 09:52.04 | Deesl | freddy__: okay... my comment was essentially considering you said RAID0 initially |
| 09:52.07 | Deesl | but I get it now |
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| 09:54.04 | freddy__ | Deesl: ok - should I need to change BIOS before I can boot into on of the disks.. or are my disks improperly (not fully) set up |
| 09:54.25 | Deesl | freddy__: what RAID controller are you using? |
| 09:54.43 | brabo | okay nvm, i fixed it, for one reason or the other urxvt only redraws itself when raising IF there's no desktop background set |
| 09:54.43 | Deesl | and what change do you intend to do in BIOS? |
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| 09:54.58 | freddy__ | Deesl: ah ... should I have a controller .. ? Some hardware ? |
| 09:55.24 | nsadmin | freddy__: so this is not hardware raid? |
| 09:55.32 | WhiteSpi | I've got a problem, new users don't have their "route" configured properly. The default gateway doesn't show up. Any idea why? |
| 09:55.44 | freddy__ | Deesl: no .. it hould be software raid |
| 09:55.56 | nsadmin | WhiteSpi: new users don't need separate routes |
| 09:55.58 | Deesl | freddy__: okay... is your boot volume a part of the RAID? |
| 09:56.06 | freddy__ | Deesl: yes |
| 09:56.14 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: well, new users can't even ping google.com |
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| 09:56.29 | Deesl | so that exlains it |
| 09:56.31 | nsadmin | try /sbin/route -n |
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| 09:56.43 | Deesl | freddy__: do you understand the difference between software and hardware RAID? |
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| 09:56.52 | nsadmin | is there a gateway route? |
| 09:56.56 | Deesl | by difference, I mean architectural difference |
| 09:57.15 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: interesting. Yes there is. But when I don't put the -n flag it was hanging |
| 09:57.19 | WhiteSpi | with -n it shows, yes |
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| 09:57.34 | nsadmin | then fix the dns, that's your problem |
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| 09:57.46 | freddy__ | Deesl: well I think so ... if I have some hardware device controlling the disks it's hardware raid... software raid is running the copying on the other ... |
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| 09:58.06 | Deesl | again.. you missed the work 'architectural' |
| 09:58.17 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: but it says "0.0.0.0 MY_GATEWAY_IP ..." instead of waying "default MY_GATEWAY_IP..." |
| 09:58.20 | freddy__ | Deesl: ok - no I dont, then |
| 09:58.37 | Deesl | okay |
| 09:58.59 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: is that the same thing? |
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| 09:59.26 | nsadmin | WhiteSpi, can you ping your gateway IP? |
| 09:59.26 | Deesl | see.. a RAID is nothing a bunch of disks being written to under surveillance |
| 09:59.41 | Deesl | now, who does the surveillance part determines whether its a software or a hardware RAID |
| 09:59.48 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: yep |
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| 09:59.55 | Deesl | in case of a hardware RAID, you have something called a RAID controller... |
| 10:00.05 | nsadmin | so the physical half of your net is working |
| 10:00.11 | Deesl | its a dedicated card sitting on a PCI/PCI-E/PCI-X slot in your PC |
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| 10:00.19 | nsadmin | find out why your dns is not |
| 10:00.34 | freddy__ | Deesl: ok ... |
| 10:00.35 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: wyes, and as root, everything works fine. Even some users work fine. Just the new ones don't |
| 10:00.42 | Deesl | that card is a computer in itself... it has a processor, some memory and in lots of cases a battery... |
| 10:00.53 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: the DNS works fine |
| 10:01.01 | nsadmin | WhiteSpi, ls -l /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:01.29 | WhiteSpi | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 66 2010-03-19 13:46 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:01.33 | Deesl | when yu try to write something to the RAID volume, the controller kicks in and calculates which data goes on which disk based on the RAID level.. for example RAID0 is striping, RAID1 is mirroring and so on |
| 10:01.48 | Deesl | so.. when you pull out disk, the RAID controller still knows how to reconstruct the data |
| 10:01.54 | nsadmin | and does that file have a nameserver in it? |
| 10:02.01 | freddy__ | Deesl: ok ... |
| 10:02.04 | Deesl | as you can understand the RAID controller operates without any OS dependencies |
| 10:02.14 | freddy__ | Deesl: yeah .. |
| 10:02.22 | Deesl | in case of a software RAID, the surveillance is done by the system processor |
| 10:02.24 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: sure. Like I said, it works for old users, including root |
| 10:02.35 | Deesl | so you have the RAID logic working ONLY when your OS boots up |
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| 10:02.51 | Deesl | so.. now tell me, can you explain why your system refuses to boot with a disk missing? |
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| 10:03.09 | nsadmin | can a new user ping the address of the dns? |
| 10:03.11 | freddy__ | Deesl: ah ... som linux has to be able to boot ... |
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| 10:03.41 | Deesl | precisely |
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| 10:04.32 | freddy__ | Deesl: so I have to create a small partition on one of the disks (part of) the linux system - to be able to boot it |
| 10:04.59 | freddy__ | Deesl: and then I only have mirroring of the partitions that contains data .. |
| 10:05.37 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: yes |
| 10:06.12 | nsadmin | can the same new user read /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 10:06.31 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: yep |
| 10:06.31 | freddy__ | Deesl: phew ... what a gross misunderstanding I had .. |
| 10:06.50 | siyb | any chance, that this will ever happen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493481 ? |
| 10:07.01 | nsadmin | then your net should be working |
| 10:07.08 | siyb | i mean the patch is already part of the source package |
| 10:07.23 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: I think so |
| 10:07.46 | Deesl | freddy__: to be honest with you, if you NEED RAID1, invest in a hardware raid |
| 10:08.12 | freddy__ | Deesl: ok |
| 10:10.08 | freddy__ | Deesl: It's a customer that wants to have the data mirrored in RAID1 and they do not have a lot of money ;-) |
| 10:10.08 | AlexC_ | say I want to compile my own version of an application, I would place it under /usr/local, right? Now what happens if I want 2 versions of this application - how should the dir structure look like? |
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| 10:11.20 | nsadmin | AlexC_: you'd have to work that dir structure out. there are many possibilities |
| 10:11.23 | freddy__ | Deesl: they have a debian expert that says that RAID1 is the way to go, mabe they are not aware that this is not hardware RAID on this dell machine |
| 10:11.56 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: that's what I'm trying to work out. Currently I do /usr/local/name/version - but what other options exist? |
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| 10:12.32 | Deesl | freddy__: there is a cheap way of doing it |
| 10:12.33 | moldovean | AlexC_, may use opt/ |
| 10:12.40 | Deesl | separate the data from the main volume |
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| 10:13.17 | AlexC_ | moldovean: /opt/name/verison ? |
| 10:13.17 | Deesl | have a small but *reliable* (note that reliables is put in asterix for a reason) to hold the OS volumes |
| 10:13.23 | freddy__ | Deesl: yes .. ? |
| 10:13.28 | Deesl | the data can stay on a 2 legged RAID 1 |
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| 10:13.45 | moldovean | AlexC_, /msg dpkg fsh |
| 10:14.31 | freddy__ | Deesl: how ? |
| 10:14.36 | Deesl | how? |
| 10:14.41 | Deesl | what do you mean by how? |
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| 10:15.00 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: no more ideas for me? ;-) |
| 10:15.03 | Deesl | and RAID controllers are pretty cheap these days... I assume you could get a RAID controller for 150 USD |
| 10:15.13 | jacekowski | don't |
| 10:16.06 | freddy__ | Deesl: ok - I see what you mean. Thanks. |
| 10:16.30 | Deesl | no problemo :) |
| 10:16.35 | nsadmin | WhiteSpi is your iptables empty? |
| 10:16.48 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: yes |
| 10:18.01 | nsadmin | earlier we found that the difference between a new user accessing the net somehow versus an older user, was whether dns was called for |
| 10:18.34 | nsadmin | if you're not with that yet, look at man route and look up -n |
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| 10:18.55 | AlexC_ | moldovean: excellent, this is perfect |
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| 10:19.38 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: ok |
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| 10:20.29 | nsadmin | essentially what we found was that new users couldn't use dns |
| 10:20.42 | nsadmin | so now, we have to find out why |
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| 10:22.02 | johni | hello everybody, I am having a bit of trouble applying chmod +s to a bash script and I am not sure what I am doing wrong |
| 10:22.18 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: yes |
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| 10:22.32 | johni | can somebody point me to some good documentation? for some reason all what I found does not help much |
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| 10:23.08 | nsadmin | johni, what exactly are you trying to accomplish? also, I dunno if bash will honor the setuid bit or not |
| 10:23.57 | johni | nsadmin, I have bash script with commands that can be executed only by root and I want to make it runnable by all the users of the system |
| 10:24.38 | johni | nsadmin, does sh honor the setuid bit? |
| 10:24.59 | nsadmin | (this is -so- not recommended... but...) the problems you're having are what? |
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| 10:26.09 | toe | hi all. how can i check my internet connection from within the debian lenny installer? |
| 10:26.38 | johni | nsadmin, the commands in the script are very specific, it does an update to a package (aptitude commands can be run only by root) |
| 10:26.40 | nsadmin | a hacker will not have to rip you a new asshole... you will have dropped your pants and painted a target while holding your cheeks open |
| 10:27.03 | karme | toe: alt+f2 |
| 10:27.13 | toe | there is no ping or something |
| 10:27.16 | johni | nsadmin, do you know of any other way to update a specific package in the system without being root? |
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| 10:27.23 | toe | no telnet, no ifconfig, nothing |
| 10:27.39 | karme | toe: /sbin/ip ? |
| 10:27.40 | toe | "mirror does not support the specified release (lenny)" |
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| 10:28.21 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: It seems that if I create a new user with the --syetstem flag, the DNS is fine... I wonder if it could be our sysadmin who did something, but he's unreachable ATM |
| 10:28.32 | nsadmin | johni: if you trust your users to do that, you might as well give them the root passwd |
| 10:28.59 | nsadmin | WhiteSpi: read all files in /etc/skel |
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| 10:29.05 | ekf | anyone using xchat+tor+SASL ? |
| 10:29.12 | nsadmin | how exactly are you creating the user |
| 10:29.38 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: nothing interesting in there. Only a .profile and .bashrc with nothing much inside |
| 10:30.11 | nsadmin | ekf, just so you know... most will not answer that question, preferring you to pose your actual question |
| 10:30.17 | moldovean | toe, that's meant your network is not working, for some reasons , try wget http://www.google.com |
| 10:30.18 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: adduser x |
| 10:31.04 | Hail_Spacecake | is there any way to make visudo use vim without recompiling it? |
| 10:31.06 | johni | nsadmin, when I wrote the bash script, the commands in there are very specific and only apply to the package to be updated (with no prompts no nothing) |
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| 10:31.17 | Hail_Spacecake | it seems to be using nano by default |
| 10:31.47 | moldovean | toe, what installer and on which machine you do it |
| 10:32.06 | johni | nsadmin, when I wrote the bash script, the commands in there are very specific and only apply to the package to be updated (with no prompts no nothing) |
| 10:32.17 | johni | ooops double message |
| 10:32.32 | ekf | nsadmin, ok : well I would be happy to see the relevant part of their .xchat2/servlist_.conf (for FreeNode) |
| 10:32.32 | toe | debian i386 5.04 netinstall |
| 10:32.41 | nsadmin | WhiteSpi, backup the files in /etc/skel, remove them, create a user, try again |
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| 10:33.14 | nsadmin | also check the new user's home dir to see what files ended up there |
| 10:33.44 | moldovean | toe, install on hardware, or on VM ? |
| 10:33.48 | toe | hardware |
| 10:33.58 | toe | it's in a university lab |
| 10:34.28 | moldovean | toe, firewall issues ? |
| 10:34.37 | toe | maybe its some general networking issue, but i want to check the machine's internet connection before calling for a lab engineer |
| 10:34.55 | toe | moldovean: can't say for sure |
| 10:35.09 | moldovean | toe, wget google worked ? |
| 10:35.13 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: deleting skel and adding new users... same problem |
| 10:35.32 | nsadmin | ok, restore /etc/skel content from backup' |
| 10:35.56 | toe | it says 'bad adress' |
| 10:36.03 | moldovean | so no |
| 10:36.07 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: done |
| 10:36.21 | toe | i've tried it before with a definitely valid url. same result |
| 10:36.33 | nsadmin | when you make a new user do the files in the user's home dir match what's in /etc/skel? |
| 10:37.07 | moldovean | toe, check your network , firewall issues |
| 10:37.40 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: yes |
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| 10:37.59 | nsadmin | including content? |
| 10:38.06 | WhiteSpi | yep |
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| 10:39.11 | toe | hmm... dhcp works... but same problem: 'mirror does not supprot the specified release (lenny)' |
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| 10:39.45 | WhiteSpi | nsadmin: I wonder if we could look at it another way. If you were trying to prevent new users from accessing the internet. How would you do? |
| 10:39.59 | moldovean | toe, i386 install ? |
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| 10:42.16 | toe | yes |
| 10:42.24 | johni | for some reason I cannot find shc ... is it gone from debian? |
| 10:42.58 | moldovean | toe, that should work |
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| 10:46.47 | moldovean | what's shc ? |
| 10:46.54 | moldovean | johni, ^^ |
| 10:47.30 | johni | moldovean, shell compiler, apparently transforms scripts into binaries |
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| 10:48.06 | nsadmin | the scripts are calling other scripts which would probably also have to be setuid |
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| 10:48.21 | nsadmin | you -really- don't want to go here |
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| 10:48.41 | jil | hi |
| 10:48.47 | nsadmin | lo |
| 10:49.16 | johni | nsadmin, what other solutions do I have to run specific aptitude commands without giving root passwords or allow sudo from the user? |
| 10:49.31 | nsadmin | that's where you don't want to go |
| 10:49.41 | nsadmin | why are you trying to do this? what is the purpose |
| 10:49.48 | johni | nsadmin, why is that? |
| 10:49.51 | tbty | hello |
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| 10:50.13 | johni | nsadmin, I want to automatically deploy software updates to boxes |
| 10:50.29 | tarzeau | johni: how many boxes? |
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| 10:51.00 | johni | automatically = after an update is ready, I need to trigger an aptitude update/install |
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| 10:51.41 | johni | tarzeau, I want to automate the task, I have no clue yet how many boxes |
| 10:52.24 | tarzeau | johni: we have that for our workstations, about ~175 machines done with dphys-config/dphys-admin |
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| 10:52.49 | tarzeau | johni: we do preseed automatic installation, config file management (different classes of workstations) and automatic updates |
| 10:53.02 | tarzeau | johni: wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 10:53.33 | tarzeau | and that's for "stable", running an own repository for things we need different/fixed |
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| 10:55.51 | ngomes | WhiteSpi, selinux ? |
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| 10:56.18 | ngomes | for what i've read selinux can prevent users from conect |
| 10:56.48 | WhiteSpi | ngomes: debian |
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| 10:57.22 | johni | tarzeau, thanks for dphys, from the reading looks like a good solution |
| 10:57.24 | WhiteSpi | ngomes: oh wait, I'm not sure what's selinux |
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| 10:57.57 | tarzeau | johni: we also monitor it, see hobbit or our page for an example: omniculars.ethz.ch/hobbit/ |
| 10:58.05 | tarzeau | johni: you're welcome |
| 10:58.15 | WhiteSpi | ngomes: selinux doesn't seem to be installed |
| 10:58.20 | tarzeau | johni: we use the same for i386/amd64 debian, and as well for ubuntu |
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| 10:58.48 | nsadmin | aaaannnndddd clear communication wins again... |
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| 11:00.06 | ngomes | WhiteSpi, i think is on kernel , on squeeze |
| 11:00.22 | ngomes | but yes ,addicional packages might needed to be installed |
| 11:00.48 | WhiteSpi | ngomes: yes |
| 11:01.05 | ngomes | !tell WhiteSpi about selinux |
| 11:01.13 | johni | tarzeau, nsadmin, thanks for your help |
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| 11:17.01 | eagles0513875 | hey guys are there any known bugs with the xen kernel in lenny cuz im having some really bad issues with booting and the xen kernel |
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| 11:18.55 | the-dude | eagles0513875: yeah several |
| 11:19.09 | eagles0513875 | the-dude: like what |
| 11:19.16 | the-dude | eagles0513875: check bts |
| 11:19.28 | eagles0513875 | bts? |
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| 11:20.17 | the-dude | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 11:20.18 | eagles0513875 | the-dude: would you recommend compilation of a newer xen kernel like the 2.6.32 or what |
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| 11:21.39 | the-dude | eagles0513875: ask instructions in #xen |
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| 11:22.36 | nitbix | hi all |
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| 11:23.02 | nitbix | does anyone know if there's a way to change /etc/apt/preferences from within a preseed file? |
| 11:26.29 | moldovean | cat: /etc/apt/preferences: No such file or directory < nitbix |
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| 11:29.23 | AlexC_ | I have a program that when you compile it and install via 'make install' doesn't copy across a configuration file it needs. I have no idea where in the process it moves the needed files and in what file - what file is it normally done in (if there is such a thing) |
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| 11:33.07 | moldovean | AlexC_, Makefile usually say that, ask/mail author/vendor for support |
| 11:33.45 | AlexC_ | moldovean: yeah I've been going through it but can't see where. I guess I'll have to contact them |
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| 11:37.04 | ^DEMOSS^ | dctv lhzv |
| 11:37.08 | ^DEMOSS^ | вÑем пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
| 11:37.13 | moldovean | !ru |
| 11:37.13 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 11:40.09 | ^DEMOSS^ | what command i need run, f i want to mount local resourse in my debian ? ( smb \\192.168.0.111\share --->> home/server/SHARES ) ??? |
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| 12:02.08 | eagles0513875 | hey guys how can i upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
| 12:02.42 | niklaswe | eagles0513875: change in your source.list |
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| 12:02.58 | eagles0513875 | change everything that says lenny to squeeze |
| 12:03.07 | niklaswe | from lenny to squeeze, and after that apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:03.42 | adac | what is the installation directory of tomcat? |
| 12:03.51 | abrotman | !tell eagles0513875 about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:03.57 | abrotman | adac: for what? |
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| 12:04.16 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: tomcat java server |
| 12:04.28 | abrotman | yes .. what part of it? |
| 12:04.46 | eagles0513875 | he wants to know the installation directory |
| 12:04.56 | abrotman | thanks .. for which files? |
| 12:04.56 | adac | abrotman, well eclipse asks me that. I thought it would be /var/lib/tomcat6/ But eclipse says: "The Tomcat installation directory is not valid. It is missing expected file or folder lib/jasper-el.jar." |
| 12:05.07 | abrotman | adac: dpkg -L foopkg |
| 12:05.20 | eagles0513875 | that is one confusing jumble the bot gave me on how to upgrade |
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| 12:08.51 | yow | hi room |
| 12:09.21 | abrotman | !room |
| 12:09.21 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 12:09.47 | yow | can anyone give me hints or suggestions on how to partition a 500GB HD fora database server? |
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| 12:10.18 | abrotman | which database? |
| 12:10.19 | yow | actually, im going to setup a raid 1 (2x500gb) storage with LVM on top of it |
| 12:10.38 | OpenTokix | yow: lvm, and then a couple of partitions - /, /usr /var /var/lib/mysql |
| 12:10.43 | abrotman | yes, it matters, they store stuff in different places |
| 12:10.47 | yow | postgreSQL or MySQL, any different in partitioning strategy? |
| 12:10.50 | OpenTokix | yow: Thats usually how I put them |
| 12:11.00 | yow | thx OpenTokix |
| 12:11.10 | abrotman | yow: will the system house anything else? like user dirs? |
| 12:11.26 | yow | i've been reading on the internet about this matter for the past couple of days but still rather confused |
| 12:11.27 | AlexC_ | when installing a .deb created via checkinstall on another machine, I am getting the following errors: http://paste2.org/p/962425 |
| 12:11.55 | abrotman | AlexC_: does /etc/opt/ exist ? |
| 12:12.01 | abrotman | or /etc/opt/php53/ ? |
| 12:12.07 | yow | abrotman, there'll be about 10 users but i guess the storage for them is not so important |
| 12:12.15 | AlexC_ | abrotman: no, neither. But surely it should create them |
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| 12:12.38 | abrotman | yow: not sure i'd mess with stuff other than a / and /var/lib/ .. and using LVM lets you adjust later |
| 12:12.57 | abrotman | AlexC_: if it's not a plain file or symlink .. what is it? |
| 12:13.18 | yow | OpenTokix, i think i'll have 1 large /var instead of another /var/lib/mysql or /var/lib/pgsql as the user has not yet decided on which one to use |
| 12:13.52 | OpenTokix | yow: if you get something go haywire, your /var might get filled by logs. - And it is nice for backups using snapshots, to have a lv for /var/lib/mysql |
| 12:14.14 | OpenTokix | yow: But you can add and remove lvs as you like, when they decide. |
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| 12:14.51 | yow | OpenTokix & abrotman, i have 2 questions here, i know about the partitions but what sizes should i allocated for each of them? should i reserve some (unused) for use/allocation later? |
| 12:15.14 | OpenTokix | yow: keep one VG for the entire, and then make small lvs for each, adjust accordingly later. |
| 12:15.29 | OpenTokix | lvresize and resize2fs is your friend |
| 12:15.33 | abrotman | yow: you can .. but seems kind of wasteful .. 10/40 doesn't seem out of hand to start with |
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| 12:15.42 | abrotman | erm .. right, adjust correctly :) |
| 12:15.52 | BiG_NoBoDy | !tell me about simple sid backport |
| 12:16.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell BiG_NoBoDy about message the bot |
| 12:16.17 | yow | OpenTokix, i have a question about reading about adjusting the size of lv, won't the space become fragmented after resize?? |
| 12:16.20 | abrotman | !tell BiG_NoBoDy about selftell |
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| 12:17.10 | OpenTokix | yow: nothing I have noticed anything of - but it might, ubt I doubt it will impact much |
| 12:17.14 | yow | abrotman, 10/40? can u elaborate? |
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| 12:18.08 | yow | OpenTokix, i think it'll, but, as u just said, perhaps the impact is minor, perhaps im just being paranoid here |
| 12:18.20 | abrotman | yow: i meant 10GB for / and the rest for /var/lib/ .. but in general, the LVM lets you adjust later |
| 12:18.25 | sulumar | greetings |
| 12:18.41 | abrotman | yow: don't forget your swap space also |
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| 12:19.18 | yow | abrotman, do u mean 10gb for / and 490gb for /var/lib/mysql? |
| 12:19.22 | OpenTokix | I usally have: RamSize Swap, /boot 256M, Rest LVM |
| 12:19.26 | OpenTokix | As the disk setup |
| 12:19.40 | yow | abrotman, i have 4gb of RAM, how much swap should i allocate? |
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| 12:20.10 | abrotman | yow: i can't answer that for you .. probably at least 2GB |
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| 12:21.02 | OpenTokix | yow: I usually have ram and swap equal in size |
| 12:21.12 | yow | abrotman, some ppl say that we do not need swap if we have load of ram, but, some claim that we still need swap partition/file regardless how much ram we have. any idea? |
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| 12:21.39 | abrotman | yow: unless you know *for sure* that oyu will never go over 4GB, it's pretty silly not to use it |
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| 12:21.41 | yow | OpenTokix, what if i have 8gb, 16gb or 32gb RAM? |
| 12:21.50 | eagles0513875 | is squeeze available for download |
| 12:22.05 | OpenTokix | yow: For 8G I put 8G, when we talk 16 or 32, I go for 8 anyway |
| 12:22.19 | nullslash | Does anyone know how is mbr loads stage1.5 with out having the file system driver ? |
| 12:22.30 | abrotman | eagles0513875: yes |
| 12:22.31 | sep | yow, you want a swap that can contain ram if you use suspend/resume things.. it's allso nice to have some swap anyway so you can swap out things from ram that is rarely used. so you can use that ram for disk cache. |
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| 12:22.41 | yow | abrotman, the dilemma is that if 4gb ram +4gb swap is enough then, is it enough if i have 8gb or 16gb ram? |
| 12:22.45 | abrotman | sep; it's a server |
| 12:22.54 | yow | OpenTokix, ic |
| 12:23.02 | abrotman | yow: that is the question the admin should answer .. we cannot know how much load you intend to have |
| 12:23.33 | abrotman | yow: i have systems here that have 2GB swap and 8GB RAM, but we don't use all the RAM on a frequent basis |
| 12:23.46 | yow | sep: it's a server, hence, it has to work 24/7! :) but what do u mean by disk cache? |
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| 12:24.01 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: where can i get squeeze from |
| 12:24.04 | yow | abrotman, ic |
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| 12:24.19 | abrotman | eagles0513875: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. do NOT get the alpha1, use a daily or weekly |
| 12:25.04 | abrotman | eagles0513875: and ideally, get the netinst |
| 12:25.13 | eagles0513875 | ok |
| 12:25.43 | yow | abrotman, my question is theoretical rather than practical as i remember someone claimed that it's the way linux's memory system works! without swap the system will be very slow regardless how much ram we have as linux will always swap! frankly, im not sure if that's correct. |
| 12:26.46 | amanita_ | yow: you can live without swap, like on a 512 MB ram system with gnome. Only problem you cannot open a 670 MB jpeg image in gimp |
| 12:27.15 | amanita_ | yow: also you can run out of mem opening 100-200 txt files in gedit |
| 12:27.34 | yow | amanita_, ic, i think so too, thx for the "confirmation" |
| 12:27.37 | abrotman | yow: there is the OOM-killer |
| 12:27.41 | amanita_ | yow: and no way slower than |
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| 12:28.00 | abrotman | if your system hits the OOMkiller, you've already lost :) |
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| 12:28.44 | yow | abrotman, may i know what 00M-killer is? |
| 12:28.47 | amanita_ | I pretty much used my sys without swap (forced to install without swap because repartitioning = data loss) it worked quite very well |
| 12:28.54 | abrotman | yow: google will give you some info |
| 12:29.03 | yow | abrotman, ok, i will |
| 12:29.08 | abrotman | yow: basically, if you run out of RAM+swap, the system will start killing things |
| 12:29.41 | yow | abrotman, i think i started to feeling tired and depressed after googling for over a week on setting up this linux server! :( |
| 12:29.49 | yow | abrotman, ic |
| 12:30.55 | amanita_ | abortman: while I was on a no-swap debian-lenny, programs failed to start when memory was full |
| 12:31.09 | amanita_ | abortman: mostly out of memory msgs |
| 12:31.28 | yow | abrotman, actually i could have had it setup yesterday or the day b4 but i just couldn't out my mind to it, i think it's psychology/mental and a bit of physical too. probably too lonely after googling for over a week alone... :) |
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| 12:33.09 | yow | amanita_ & abrotman, i do think the system will go haywire if running out of ram |
| 12:33.10 | jelly | what tool should I use for an incremental update of a block device (image) over a slow network |
| 12:33.58 | jelly | machine A: /dev/sda machine B: /path/to/sda-A.image |
| 12:34.04 | yow | has anyone heard of the ASWM tool from ASUS? |
| 12:34.32 | Revo | What apt-get install shall I use to install Java? As in so I can run .jar files from command line |
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| 12:34.47 | jelly | !tell Revo about install java |
| 12:34.55 | yow | ASWM is for managing a server remotely via WEB |
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| 12:35.04 | jelly | Revo: you want the java runtime |
| 12:35.10 | abrotman | jelly: i thought there was a binary patch tool ? |
| 12:35.35 | yow | i wonder if there's a version for debian, ubuntu or centos. |
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| 12:37.01 | yow | abrotman, don't u think 10gb for / is too little? in addition, according to your suggestion, there'll be only 2 partitions, i.e. / & /var/lib/mysql. isn't that too few for a "full-time" server? |
| 12:37.51 | abrotman | yow: as i said, we don't know your exact setup .. based on what you told us, your system will just house a DB .. no real users, no other services |
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| 12:39.23 | abrotman | So why does / need to be 50GB? or whatever? |
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| 12:39.56 | OpenTokix | yow: My / and /usr is usally 5G each, and they are <10% filled - so 50G sounds a bit on the high side. |
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| 12:40.02 | yow | abrotman, there'll be about 10 users/staff and it'll be a database (postgresql or mysql) server |
| 12:40.02 | abrotman | We also don't know anything about your database you're going to house. Is the DB only 10MB? then maybe 10/490 is too much |
| 12:40.22 | abrotman | if you're worried 10GB is too small, 20GB? |
| 12:40.38 | abrotman | you won't likely use it unless you never rotate/delete logs |
| 12:41.46 | yow | OpenTokix, from what i know this ASUS Quadcore server may not be enough if the business grows according to plan, it'll be just a temporary server, but, im not sure if they'll succeed or not though |
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| 12:42.18 | yow | OpenTokix, i guess i should not install GUI/X/desktop on the server, should I? |
| 12:42.25 | abrotman | no |
| 12:42.32 | OpenTokix | yow: probably not |
| 12:42.43 | yow | OpenTokix & abrotman: ok |
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| 12:43.06 | yow | forget about ASWM as it's a little proprietary (ASUS) |
| 12:43.08 | OpenTokix | yow: From what I have seen from db-servers, they want craploads of ram and IO - not so much cpu-power. (depending on usage of course) |
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| 12:43.25 | Pici | It all depends on use. |
| 12:43.35 | OpenTokix | Pici: but generally |
| 12:43.45 | yow | do u think intel3420 + lsi megaraid (fakeraid?) is better or worse than linux software raid? |
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| 12:44.04 | yow | OpenTokix, ic. |
| 12:44.05 | OpenTokix | yow: Fakeraid is never a good idea. |
| 12:44.15 | yow | OpenTokix, may i know why? |
| 12:44.29 | OpenTokix | yow: Get real hardware raid - LSI or Areca do i have good experience with. |
| 12:44.30 | AlexC_ | abrotman: I'm not sure, it's quite strange - but the package wont install |
| 12:44.50 | yow | OpenTokix, ic, thx for the info! |
| 12:44.51 | abrotman | yow: either real raid or swraid .. one or the other |
| 12:45.04 | yow | OpenTokix, i don't think i'll go for h/w raid for the time being |
| 12:45.18 | OpenTokix | yow: Areca ARC-1201 is like $100 |
| 12:45.25 | OpenTokix | yow: for the SATA 2-channel |
| 12:45.48 | OpenTokix | yow: it has hot swap and all the nice things you want from a raid. |
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| 12:46.44 | yow | OpenTokix & abrotman, i read an article which claimed that linux software raid is better than h/w raid in many respects! of course, h/w raid do have their advantageous, esp in term of speed, but, linux softraid seems to not be inferior to the h/w raid, esp in long terms. correct? |
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| 12:47.18 | yow | OpenTokix, thx for the recommendation. |
| 12:47.20 | abrotman | yow: it just takes away CPU time .. realiabililty should be on par |
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| 12:47.38 | abrotman | ignore my horrible spelling :) |
| 12:48.34 | yow | OpenTokix, the author stated that h/w raid (board) may phased out or unsupported one day and also CPU is becoming more and more powerful, hence, it may be wiser to invest on more ram and faster cpu rather than a raid card. |
| 12:48.36 | OpenTokix | yow: I personally like to just pull the drive and insert a new one, on 3 am christmas morning. - Without having to read up on linux sw raid. |
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| 12:49.32 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:49.48 | yow | OpenTokix, "read up on linux sw raid"? do u mean to read/remember how to do it using linux sw raid? (sorry for my poor english) |
| 12:49.50 | abrotman | OpenTokix: or tell people "Just pull the orange one out, put a good one in, walk away" :) |
| 12:50.16 | OpenTokix | yow: yes, exactly |
| 12:50.21 | OpenTokix | abrotman: =) |
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| 12:50.55 | yow | OpenTokix, ic. didn't know about it / never thought of that! thx for letting me know |
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| 12:51.31 | OpenTokix | yow: me neither, until i was in a co-lo with a broken sw-raid, at 3am christmas morning... =) - not like you fiddle around with it everyday and keep the knowledge fresh |
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| 12:52.06 | yow | OpenTokix, do u know if the Pike raid card from asus is any good? |
| 12:52.15 | abrotman | yow: what is the chipset? |
| 12:52.16 | yow | OpenTokix, :) |
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| 12:52.33 | OpenTokix | yow: Never heard of |
| 12:52.34 | yow | abrotman, let me check |
| 12:52.36 | razvand | Hi! Is there a reason why some processes are listed when using ps -f with capitals? For example SCREEN and CRON? I've checked the /proc/$PID/cmdline and it stores the same string (using capitals). |
| 12:52.39 | yow | OpenTokix, ok |
| 12:52.47 | eagles0513875 | hey guys j/w how can i clone the all the squeeze repositories? |
| 12:52.57 | abrotman | eagles0513875: you don't want to, they'll be out of date in six hours |
| 12:53.00 | OpenTokix | I use http://www.areca.com.tw exclusivly now |
| 12:53.05 | OpenTokix | 12xx series |
| 12:53.21 | OpenTokix | yow: supported directly by lenny installer etc. - very nice |
| 12:53.21 | yow | abrotman, Pike 1078 |
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| 12:53.25 | eagles0513875 | :( abrotman even if i want to start rolling my own distro? |
| 12:53.31 | AlexC_ | when installing a .deb created via checkinstall on another machine, I am getting the following errors: http://paste2.org/p/962425 - resulting in the package being unable to install |
| 12:53.45 | abrotman | eagles0513875: then you're using your own packages, right? |
| 12:53.55 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: no nothing of the sort yet |
| 12:54.14 | eagles0513875 | wouldnt it be easier to clone the testing repos for instance |
| 12:54.27 | eagles0513875 | to save time |
| 12:54.32 | yow | OpenTokix, do u mean Areca ARC-1201 is supported directly by lenny? |
| 12:54.35 | abrotman | then why are you making your own distro ? |
| 12:54.47 | OpenTokix | yow: yes |
| 12:54.55 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: i want to make something geared towards gaming and game development |
| 12:54.58 | OpenTokix | yow: LSISAS1078, looks like it is LSI |
| 12:55.06 | OpenTokix | yow: the pike-card |
| 12:55.10 | abrotman | eagles0513875: sounds like Debian |
| 12:55.32 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: thing is the repos will only have stuff that would be use ful to gaming and game development |
| 12:55.42 | OpenTokix | yow: sorry, 1210, not 1201 |
| 12:55.47 | yow | OpenTokix, is pike 1078 the hardware whereas LSISAS1078 is the driver? |
| 12:55.54 | abrotman | eagles0513875: debian ? |
| 12:56.05 | eagles0513875 | based off debian |
| 12:56.10 | yow | OpenTokix, ic |
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| 12:56.26 | OpenTokix | yow: just the asus modelname |
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| 12:56.31 | OpenTokix | the LSI is the chipset |
| 12:56.38 | yow | OpenTokix, ic |
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| 12:57.12 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: i wanted to do use kubuntu but they have to rigerous of a release cycle. and im actually quite impressed with squeeze performance |
| 12:57.22 | sep | yow, http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 12:57.27 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:57.30 | abrotman | then use squeeze? |
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| 12:57.54 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: i knwo but doesnt it make more sense to clone the squeeze repos |
| 12:58.07 | abrotman | eagles0513875: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends |
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| 12:58.19 | abrotman | eagles0513875: not to me .. but you can do whatever you want .. but it won't be supported here |
| 12:58.42 | yow | sep: thx |
| 12:59.18 | sep | yow, areca is a good recomendatino imho |
| 12:59.47 | sep | i dont like lsi especialy 1068E have no experience with 1078 |
| 13:00.00 | stew | jelly: do you know if judd's udd instance has populated bts data? |
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| 13:00.50 | jelly | stew: I don't know how to check! |
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| 13:01.30 | yow | sep: thx for the recommendation and info! |
| 13:01.51 | yow | i'll check it out if/when im going for hw raid |
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| 13:02.30 | stew | it probably doesn't |
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| 13:03.13 | abrotman | stew: i think there was talk about using the pythonbts stuff to query the bts directly |
| 13:03.38 | stew | at one point I had judd with full bts info, but it was a LOT of data to keep in sync |
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| 13:03.58 | abrotman | unfortunately, it wasn't narrowed down exactly what to have the bot report back |
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| 13:04.17 | stew | i'm wishing I had an easier way to search for wnpp bugs |
| 13:04.33 | abrotman | wnpp-alert or something ? |
| 13:04.45 | abrotman | or beyond that? |
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| 13:05.09 | jelly | stew: imports of the db seem to eat a lot of cpu and clock time |
| 13:05.18 | stew | jelly: i know |
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| 13:05.28 | stew | abrotman: more, like "is there an RFP/ITP for ___" |
| 13:05.46 | abrotman | ah, but what if it's not named identically? |
| 13:06.00 | stew | chaos |
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| 13:06.59 | jelly | I'm packaging flamble5.13 and stew's looking for flamble or flamble5? |
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| 13:08.54 | abrotman | more like flamble library, but he's searching for libflamble ? |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | no idea |
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| 13:09.05 | abrotman | or even caps/non-caps |
| 13:09.51 | abrotman | it could be more different, but it's early :) |
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| 13:10.35 | stew | i'm searching for *flamble* in that case |
| 13:10.47 | stew | and hopefully mistakes of including caps get corrected quickly |
| 13:11.10 | AlexC_ | when installing a .deb created via checkinstall on another machine, I am getting the following errors: http://paste2.org/p/962425 - resulting in the package being unable to install |
| 13:11.41 | abrotman | stew: and wnpp-* can't do this? |
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| 13:11.56 | stew | uhh |
| 13:12.01 | stew | i didn't even know about wnpp-check |
| 13:12.18 | abrotman | not my fault! |
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| 13:13.03 | yow | OpenTokix, so, if a hw raid is supported by debian or other linux, we do not need to use the driver provided by the manufacturer? better off using the one provided by linux? |
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| 13:13.49 | kzar | My /etc/default/saslauthd is fucked, how do I recreate the default? I did dpkg-reconfigure libsasl2-2 but it didn't work |
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| 13:14.56 | OpenTokix | yow: yeah |
| 13:15.04 | yow | OpenTokix, thx |
| 13:15.58 | maix | I've recently done dpkg-reconfigure locales and chosen C as default, then gnome-terminal displayed utf8 stuff wrong, I ran it again and chose en_us.utf-8 but now it stays C ($LANG is C and the chars are still wrong) |
| 13:16.08 | abrotman | did you logout/login ? |
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| 13:16.26 | brubelsabs | I need to categorize many images. Unfortunately there are a lot of graphs, fotos and other types inside. I want to sort those images which represents some graphs, having mainly white background out. Some of you are aware of a tool for this task? I fear findimagesdupes won't do it... |
| 13:16.47 | brubelsabs | oops OT.. sorry |
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| 13:24.23 | abrotman | stew: oh, i guess wnpp-check kind of does what you want huh? |
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| 13:25.01 | stew | abrotman: yes, sheriff |
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| 13:25.07 | yow | OpenTokix, abrotman, sep & amanita_ : thx for all your help. i hope i can have the server setup later or tomorrow. |
| 13:25.16 | yow | thx again to all of you |
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| 13:25.30 | OpenTokix | yow: glhf |
| 13:26.03 | yow | OpenTokix, thx :) |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
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| 13:26.55 | abrotman | Agent stew |
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| 13:32.56 | kurkale6ka | Can I create a live-usb with debian? |
| 13:34.06 | bolt | kurkale6ka: I allow you to do so. Please proceed. GIYF :) |
| 13:34.31 | [-TuMBa-] | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 13:34.38 | kurkale6ka | bolt :) is there any documentation about it? |
| 13:34.49 | kurkale6ka | cheer [-TuMBa-] |
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| 13:35.39 | bolt | also, here :P http://tinyurl.com/2dfdn8s |
| 13:36.33 | kurkale6ka | thx |
| 13:36.41 | lyakh | I reported a problem with my hard drive being poked every couple of seconds, I tried iotop - it seems to point at various jbd2 threads (using ext4). can this really be the culprit? any remedy? |
| 13:37.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | stop using ext4? |
| 13:37.38 | bolt | lyakh: ext3, and probably 4, will update their journal every few seconds |
| 13:37.38 | lyakh | bolt: but not every 2 seconds?... |
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| 13:37.49 | lyakh | even if I'm not writing anything |
| 13:38.11 | lyakh | ok, xchat is writing its logs, but poking doesn't stop if I quit xchat |
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| 13:40.22 | lyakh | Kamping_Kaiser: if this were a known issue with ext4... |
| 13:41.02 | damien80 | can i control my tower fan speed with squeeze ? |
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| 13:41.38 | damien80 | fancontrol |
| 13:41.38 | damien80 | Loading configuration from /etc/fancontrol ... |
| 13:41.38 | damien80 | Error: Can't read configuration file |
| 13:41.40 | damien80 | :( |
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| 13:43.44 | stayb | how can i connect via gui to a simple samba share on another debian client? |
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| 13:44.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | stayb: which gui? |
| 13:44.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnome is places -> connect to server |
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| 13:46.18 | AlexC_ | how can I find out what package provides a command? |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | AlexC_: apt-file |
| 13:46.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | AlexC_: dpkg -S if the command is installed |
| 13:47.03 | thewanderer1 | COMMAND=ls; dpkg --search $(which $COMMAND); |
| 13:47.31 | stew | dlocate is much faster than dpkg -S |
| 13:47.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | thewanderer1: that is a fantastic amount of infrastructure :p |
| 13:47.41 | AlexC_ | assuming the command doesn't exist on my system. Read; how do I know what package I need to install :) |
| 13:47.45 | karme | and there is command-not-found |
| 13:47.50 | stew | AlexC_: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 13:48.06 | AlexC_ | already on it, thanks stew abrotman |
| 13:48.08 | stayb | Kamping_Kaiser, Xfce |
| 13:48.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | stayb: no idea |
| 13:48.37 | stayb | Kamping_Kaiser, or over shell? whats the command ? |
| 13:48.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | stayb: no idea sorry, i don't deal with smb :) |
| 13:49.12 | abrotman | smbclient |
| 13:49.21 | stayb | Kamping_Kaiser, how would u connect to share files? |
| 13:49.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | stayb: _I don't_ deal with smb |
| 13:50.11 | stayb | Kamping_Kaiser, dont mean smb generally |
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| 13:50.18 | thewanderer1 | stayb: are you sharing files between Linux and Windows? |
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| 13:50.36 | stayb | Linux - Linux |
| 13:50.44 | thewanderer1 | then why the hell SMB? |
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| 13:51.17 | stayb | so ssh? or which protocol? |
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| 13:51.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | i rsync over ssh |
| 13:52.09 | joltcan | sshfs is nice for non-local networks. NFS is nice for local network |
| 13:52.23 | stayb | ok thx |
| 13:52.37 | joltcan | I tend to use sshfs everywhere, just because it's tunneled, and you don't have to care really |
| 13:52.41 | thewanderer1 | stayb: tutorial for you: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42078 |
| 13:53.05 | thewanderer1 | NFS allows you to reach link-speed transfers - you don't want sshfs at home :P |
| 13:53.30 | stayb | thx alot the-dude |
| 13:53.33 | stayb | thx alot thewanderer1 |
| 13:53.35 | joltcan | thewanderer1: Well, I get enouhg speed over sshfs that my hdd is the bottleneck |
| 13:53.43 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 13:53.55 | joltcan | and if I use sshfs everywhere, then I don't have to do differently if I'm at home or work |
| 13:54.12 | thewanderer1 | sure, but still, sshfs suffers from its own deficiencies |
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| 13:54.52 | joltcan | thewanderer1: Yeah, the usecase is important as always |
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| 13:55.38 | tishammer | hello folks |
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| 13:56.23 | tishammer | i have saved my list of packages with dpkg --get-selections > file. no i've installed a vanilla ubuntu and did an cat file | dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:56.44 | thewanderer1 | !tell tishammer about ubuntu |
| 13:56.46 | tishammer | some packages are in "in" state and aren't installed |
| 13:56.52 | tishammer | thewanderer1: that's a debian thing anyway |
| 13:56.53 | abrotman | tishammer: this is #debian, you want #ubuntu |
| 13:57.05 | abrotman | and it's not up for debate |
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| 13:57.12 | tishammer | ahah |
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| 13:57.20 | tishammer | ok |
| 13:57.29 | tishammer | i've installed a vanilla debian |
| 13:57.33 | abrotman | not funny |
| 13:57.34 | tishammer | s/ubuntu/debian/ |
| 13:57.39 | tishammer | it's the same issue |
| 13:57.42 | tishammer | don't be a kid |
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| 13:57.59 | abrotman | tishammer: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, don't be a kid |
| 13:58.13 | abrotman | tishammer: if you want to run Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu for support. Thanks! |
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| 13:59.44 | thewanderer1 | by the way, making dpkg think that packages that don't exist on the local system are installed is not the smartest thing to do... |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | ignore it, move along |
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| 14:00.18 | Justin | thewanderer1: dpkg --set-selections doesn't make dpkg think packages are installed |
| 14:00.47 | thewanderer1 | Justin: hm, what does that do? |
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| 14:01.31 | stew | schedule them for install/removal in the future |
| 14:01.35 | Justin | it's documented in the dpkg man page |
| 14:02.22 | thewanderer1 | ah, so it uses dselect-like mechanisms. thanks for clarifying! |
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| 14:03.19 | alcohol | why does postfix log to both syslog and mail.log? |
| 14:03.22 | alcohol | this is annoying :< |
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| 14:04.37 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: why don't you reconfigure syslog to redirect the mail facility to oblivion? :] |
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| 14:05.15 | alcohol | hrm |
| 14:05.25 | alcohol | well my main interest is solving the following issue; http://pastebin.com/JEx6s7ss |
| 14:05.30 | alcohol | both generate output |
| 14:05.33 | alcohol | both are in crontab |
| 14:05.41 | alcohol | however, the test triggers an email |
| 14:05.52 | alcohol | whereas the 3ware one never sends a mail, even though it generates output |
| 14:05.59 | linux2 | I'm having trouble with knetworkmanager. For some reason, after a random amount of time (usually 1 hour or more) it will disconnect from the wired, or wireless connection. Anyone else experience this or know where I might be able to look to determine why it is doing this? |
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| 14:06.26 | thewanderer1 | linux2: stable? |
| 14:06.32 | Justin | alcohol: you mean if tw_cli info c2 u0 2>&1 | grep -qi degraded; then |
| 14:06.40 | alcohol | q? |
| 14:06.43 | alcohol | manpages |
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| 14:07.22 | alcohol | well that's not really relevant is it? the script still does what I intended, it generates output which should be mailed |
| 14:07.25 | alcohol | but it is never mailed |
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| 14:07.46 | jordanm | alcohol: I think he meant that the if syntax is if <command>, and [[ or "test" is not needed |
| 14:07.46 | Justin | set your PATH in the crontab? |
| 14:07.58 | linux2 | thewanderer1, I'm using testing |
| 14:08.03 | alcohol | ah, that might be an issue |
| 14:08.18 | thewanderer1 | linux2: have you checked the output produced by knetworkmanager? |
| 14:08.25 | linux2 | thewanderer1, although the issue appears to be related specifically to this one laptop. I haven't had this problem on any other machines |
| 14:08.28 | alcohol | though tw_cli is in /usr/sbin, which is in my default path I believe? |
| 14:08.39 | alcohol | should it not throw an error otherwise regardless? |
| 14:08.45 | Justin | alcohol: depends |
| 14:08.45 | linux2 | thewanderer1, as far as I know it doesn't output anything. I could run it in a console to double check. |
| 14:08.47 | jordanm | alcohol: your default path is not cron's default path |
| 14:08.54 | thewanderer1 | linux2: run it in a console |
| 14:09.03 | stew | and /usr/sbin isn't in the default path |
| 14:09.09 | thewanderer1 | linux2: moreover, look for system log messages /var/log/{messages,daemon.log} |
| 14:09.55 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: hm this would make sense, perhaps cron only mails fd 1, whereas fd2 is your actual stderr |
| 14:09.58 | alcohol | ok, will adjust path and retry |
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| 14:10.18 | stew | thewanderer1: it mails both |
| 14:10.29 | linux2 | Aug 24 10:02:21 qpac NetworkManager[1270]: <info> Marking connection 'Ifupdown (eth0)' invalid because IP configuration expired. |
| 14:10.37 | linux2 | humm, then it proceeds to disconnect |
| 14:11.26 | thewanderer1 | linux2: that's your answer :P |
| 14:11.42 | linux2 | thewanderer1, the question is, why is that happening? |
| 14:12.15 | linux2 | thewanderer1, seems to only happen on this laptop. I see a ton of dhclient requests above that error. Seems like it is trying to renew the ip address but can't for some reason |
| 14:12.28 | thewanderer1 | linux2: it's a network-manager bug it seems |
| 14:13.00 | Justin | or his DHCP server is broken |
| 14:13.24 | thewanderer1 | Justin: this is possible, but he said it only happens on this particular machine |
| 14:13.24 | alcohol | thewanderer1: adjusting path did not help. what did you mean about redirecting stdout/stderr? |
| 14:13.38 | linux2 | thewanderer1, that what I originally thought as well. Well hopefully they will fix it, as well as fix my mobile broadband. It stopped working for that as well, although I haven't bothered to troubleshoot and just use kppp. |
| 14:13.56 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: are you mailing both stdout and stderr to yourself? |
| 14:14.01 | linux2 | Justin, humm, possible, but how could I fix it? perhaps just reinstall |
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| 14:14.17 | Justin | linux2: fix what? |
| 14:14.18 | thewanderer1 | linux2: first, network-manager has bugs - aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 14:14.38 | thewanderer1 | linux2: second, there is a workaround - increase your DHCP lease timeout to sth like a week |
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| 14:14.48 | thewanderer1 | or make it infinity |
| 14:14.55 | wooden | i built a raid1 with a couple 2 TB external usb drives. the device shows up in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf as consisting of two drives. however, when i reboot the machine, the device doesn't appear to function. i don't see it in /proc/mdstat. i issued `mdadm --assemble --scan` and the device came online, but now it's doing a 22 hr. resync of the drives. any way to avoid this? |
| 14:15.06 | alcohol | thewanderer1: though manpage suggests -all- output is mailed, regardless |
| 14:15.07 | linux2 | thewanderer1, yeah, the dhcp lease seems to be set to 1 hour |
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| 14:15.32 | nmx | i just upgraded from etch to lenny, and i'm having trouble with getting phpMyAdmin to run on apache2. if i retrieve https://localhost/phpmyadmin/index.php, it works, but if i retrieve https://localhost/phpmyadmin/ it instead downloads the php source |
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| 14:15.34 | thewanderer1 | linux2: then set it to infinity to work around this problem |
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| 14:16.39 | alcohol | thewanderer1: cron should mail everything according to manpage |
| 14:16.42 | thewanderer1 | wooden: perhaps it just needs to resync? give it time :P |
| 14:17.10 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: then apparently your script produces no output |
| 14:17.11 | wooden | thewanderer1: will it do this every time? 22 hrs of grinding sounds hard on the drives. |
| 14:17.22 | thewanderer1 | why every time? |
| 14:17.24 | alcohol | thewanderer1: but when run manually it does.. |
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| 14:17.51 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: so where is tw_cli located? |
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| 14:17.57 | alcohol | /usr/sbin |
| 14:17.58 | linux2 | thewanderer1, ok cool. I set it to 4 days. Hopefully it won't have a problem with that |
| 14:18.06 | alcohol | which I now added to PATH= in crontab |
| 14:18.24 | jordanm | !tell nmx about php still wants me to to download |
| 14:18.26 | stew | alcohol: why don't you just have the 3ware drivers email you when there is a problem instead of having your own script to do this? |
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| 14:18.55 | jordanm | !tell nmx php wants me to download still |
| 14:19.12 | jordanm | dpkg: php wants me to download still is also php still wants me to to download |
| 14:19.12 | dpkg | jordanm: that's too long |
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| 14:19.30 | alcohol | stew: cause I only installed tw_cli, not sure what you are talking about? |
| 14:19.59 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: the first step to debugging this is put some echo at the top of your script and see if it mails this |
| 14:20.01 | stew | alcohol: if you install 3dm2 packages (from debian-unofficial.org) you should be able to configure it to send you email automatically |
| 14:20.22 | alcohol | thewanderer1: will do; stew: will look into that next, thanks :) |
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| 14:20.51 | jhutchins_lt | alcohol: cron's output is inconsistent for me. |
| 14:21.05 | alcohol | thewanderer1: yeah mails the echo, no further output |
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| 14:21.29 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 14:22.04 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: then remove the "if" and make the enclosed statement unconditional |
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| 14:22.42 | alcohol | thewanderer1: yeah but the if works fine if I just run the script manually |
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| 14:22.54 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: I know, I'm just debugging now :P |
| 14:23.10 | alcohol | I take that back |
| 14:23.13 | nmx | jordanm: well, how about that. wget worked fine, it was the browser cache after all |
| 14:23.13 | alcohol | there is no more output |
| 14:23.14 | alcohol | wtf |
| 14:23.20 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: :P |
| 14:23.28 | alcohol | my degraded disk just fixed itself? |
| 14:23.50 | alcohol | no it did not |
| 14:23.52 | thewanderer1 | alcohol: I bet cron did that to bug you |
| 14:23.54 | alcohol | investigates |
| 14:24.09 | thewanderer1 | nmx: that's why you were supposed to read the "php wants me to download still" factoid :P |
| 14:24.16 | alcohol | oh, the -q switch changes the if behavior |
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| 14:24.56 | amanita_ | !squeeze |
| 14:24.56 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 14:25.01 | amanita_ | woot |
| 14:25.28 | fake51 | I'm working on installing OpenVZ on a Debian system of mine and as part of that I need to setup containers on separate partitions. From googling I gather LVM is the best way to go. Anyone know if it's possible to setup LVM on existing partitions without losing all data already there? |
| 14:25.51 | nmx | thewanderer1: i did. |
| 14:26.20 | jordanm | fake51: if you backup the data first, sure |
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| 14:26.39 | jordanm | fake51: well, you will be recreating the physical partitions too |
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| 14:27.49 | alcohol | thewanderer1: it mails now. negated the if. weird though that it did not mail before when it was also producing output |
| 14:27.57 | alcohol | maybe I screwed up |
| 14:28.02 | fake51 | jordanm, will it trash the partitions or be able to just change them as needed? |
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| 14:28.06 | alcohol | goes to look into 3dm2 package now |
| 14:28.28 | thewanderer1 | guys, any ideas why I havp "breaks" - i.e. stops to function and leaves zombies? |
| 14:28.34 | jordanm | fake51: it will trash the partitions, which is why you will need to backup then restore the data |
| 14:28.42 | thewanderer1 | s/I // |
| 14:28.46 | jordanm | fake51: usually you plan out your partitioning before you put data on them...\ |
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| 14:28.59 | fake51 | jordanm, yeah, but newbies make mistakes |
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| 14:29.19 | fake51 | jordanm, that's how we learn (that, and hours of reading/googling/asking people questions) |
| 14:29.30 | fake51 | thanks |
| 14:29.50 | jordanm | fake51: googling can be good for some things, but it often teaches the wrong way to do something |
| 14:30.06 | jordanm | official documentation should always be covered first |
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| 14:30.21 | fake51 | jordanm, I tend to google to get possible answers, then figure out from that what's the proper path |
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| 14:31.17 | jordanm | fake51: the path found by google is not always the proper path. the proper path should be in the real documentation |
| 14:31.30 | fake51 | jordanm, the real documentation is indexed by google |
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| 14:32.11 | karlpinc | fake51: And a whole lot of unreal documentation is indexed by google. You know you're getting the real deal if your at a debian.org website. |
| 14:32.38 | Justin | karlpinc: s/unreal/unofficial/ |
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| 14:32.48 | fake51 | that's the point, it's indexed by google :) whole lot easier to find it on debian.org by asking google |
| 14:32.54 | karlpinc | Justin: s/unoffical/bad/ |
| 14:33.25 | karlpinc | fake51: Going to www.debian.org and clicking on the documentation link is arguably easier. |
| 14:33.54 | karlpinc | fake51: YMMV. |
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| 14:34.58 | stew | karlpinc: so if i go to debian.org and click on documentation, it's going to be easy to find documentation about how to setup lvm for an openvz environment? |
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| 14:37.46 | jordanm | I would actually go with something more like: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ in this case |
| 14:38.17 | fake51 | either way, thanks guys - had no intention of starting a discussion on the topic |
| 14:38.19 | jordanm | along with http://wiki.openvz.org/Main_Page |
| 14:38.24 | stew | the unoffical aka bad documentation that is? and how do you find that by going to debian.org/documentation? |
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| 14:38.45 | Trekki | hi guys. Is anyone running a Huawei UMTS stick with the modemmanager 0.4? |
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| 14:40.46 | Trekki | the reason for my asking: with 0.4 I can't establish a connection with KNetworkManager. But if I downgrade to modemmanager 0.3, it works |
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| 14:47.41 | thewanderer1 | I've been playing with audacious since yesterday - it's nice and all, but its equalizer messes up the music quality horribly |
| 14:48.10 | thewanderer1 | anything I can do to improve this? |
| 14:49.01 | thewanderer1 | now that I've lowered the global sound level in EQ, it seems better when I turn up system volume... |
| 14:49.04 | thrashold | You probably trying to increase some frequencies on overcompresses music? Try moving the general volume in the equalizer down |
| 14:49.14 | thewanderer1 | oh ok |
| 14:49.31 | thewanderer1 | and yes, it's hard for me to get high-quality music :P |
| 14:49.47 | LV-426 | finally escapes the initramfs shell |
| 14:49.48 | thrashold | Probably because it doesn't exist anymore |
| 14:50.00 | thewanderer1 | you know, you might be right |
| 14:50.06 | moldovean | heh |
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| 14:51.49 | GrayPatch | hey ppls |
| 14:52.06 | GrayPatch | who can help me with some partition questions |
| 14:52.19 | moldovean | all |
| 14:52.41 | stew | GrayPatch: nobody until you start actually asking the quesions! :) |
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| 14:54.19 | GrayPatch | 10 gig ext3 partition and 400 gig ntfs can i extend the ext3 from creating a volumn in win7 by shrinking the 400gig |
| 14:55.03 | Agiofws | does anyone here have a nokia n95 cell phone ? |
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| 14:56.28 | karme | !gparted |
| 14:56.28 | dpkg | GParted is the <GNOME> partition editor, which uses libparted (see <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install the ntfsprogs package to enable <NTFS> support and the dosfstools package for FAT16/32 support. Consider a <debian-live> image and installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the GParted Live CD. http://gparted.sf.net/faq.php #gparted on irc.gnome.org. |
| 14:56.37 | karme | !parted |
| 14:56.37 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a partition editor, used for creation, destruction, resizing and copying, including the associated file system within. I (Mongoose) used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables, can only shrink HFS/HFS+ filesystems. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ #parted on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:57.28 | infinity0 | i just deleted a file i was working on by accident, how do i dump RAM? |
| 14:57.53 | karme | infinity0: is the file still opened by some process? |
| 14:58.00 | infinity0 | no, closed |
| 14:58.07 | jhutchins_lt | I am tired of firefox using 25% of my CPU to view apparently static pages and roasting my leg in the process. |
| 14:58.10 | infinity0 | but it might still be in memory |
| 14:58.15 | abrotman | karme: you can msg the bot |
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| 14:59.34 | jacekowski | infinity0: cat /dev/mem > /somefile |
| 14:59.45 | infinity0 | it goes operation not permitted even as root |
| 14:59.46 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: http://www.google.com/chrome/?brand=CHMB&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-sk&utm_medium=ha |
| 14:59.46 | infinity0 | :/ |
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| 15:00.29 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: aptitude install chromium-browser, or go to Big Brother's site and register for being spied by downloading Chrome :) |
| 15:00.31 | infinity0 | oh i just found memdump, that seems to be working |
| 15:00.34 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: But I thought google was evil proprietary stuff that stole all your persona linfo. |
| 15:00.43 | thewanderer1 | Chromium |
| 15:01.33 | jhutchins_lt | According to aptitude, chromium is "fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter" |
| 15:01.35 | amanita_ | Chromium? I still use Epiphany-browser in Lenny. |
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| 15:01.50 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: chromium-browser |
| 15:01.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 15:01.54 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.127~r55887-1; squeeze: 5.0.375.127~r55887-1; experimental: 6.0.472.36~r55963-1 |
| 15:01.57 | solifugus | If the dns name (http://dev-studies.ctsi.ufl.edu) resolves to the proper ip address but the browser times out--what might be wrong? (apache is working, because http://dev-clinicaltrials.ctsi.ufl.edu works) |
| 15:02.08 | solifugus | and both resolve to the same IP |
| 15:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Squeeze won't run on this laptop - Intel graphics. |
| 15:02.25 | swombat | What package should I install on my server if all I want is for the system emails (e.g. to root) to be delivered somewhere? |
| 15:02.36 | AlexC_ | I've just created a Debian package that I set the configure flags for a prefix of /opt/foobar - however it has ignored this and instead has all gone into /usr |
| 15:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | swombat: Just go ahead and install exim or postfix. |
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| 15:03.13 | swombat | jhutchins_lt: does that not actually set up an smtp server that i need to then lock down? |
| 15:03.22 | thewanderer1 | swombat: there are lighter MTA's, just use apt-cache search |
| 15:03.35 | jhutchins_lt | swombat: The default install is pretty well locked down. |
| 15:03.41 | swombat | ok |
| 15:03.46 | Justin | swombat: when you install exim you can configure it as a satellite system with no local mail that does not listen on the internet |
| 15:03.51 | jhutchins_lt | swombat: The problem with the "lighter" mailers is that they're obscure. |
| 15:04.07 | llutz | swombat: look at ssmtp |
| 15:04.08 | swombat | ah |
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| 15:04.33 | thewanderer1 | solifugus: you have to investigate that on your own using another means, like telnet or netcat - issue HTTP queries and watch what happens |
| 15:04.34 | swombat | this is for my root xen server (dom0 or whatever it's usually called), and there'll be a separate mta |
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| 15:06.15 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Anything in the logs? |
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| 15:08.18 | marsje | does anyone know where how to specify the tls_require_ciphers parameter for Exim? |
| 15:08.55 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: not really.. strange, access.log has only 1 line in it.. same with error |
| 15:09.08 | solifugus | I have accessed many times this morning.. |
| 15:09.22 | AlexC_ | I've just created a Debian package that I set the configure flags for a prefix of /opt/foobar - however it has ignored this and instead has all gone into /usr |
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| 15:10.26 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: wrong server.. let me check the right one |
| 15:11.56 | Justin | solifugus: firewall. |
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| 15:15.46 | bulletz | !iptables |
| 15:15.46 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 15:25.18 | alcohol | #iptables should be #netfilter |
| 15:25.22 | alcohol | just letting you know |
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| 15:25.50 | abrotman | maybe they shuld quit moving it! |
| 15:26.21 | alcohol | :> |
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| 15:27.56 | stayb | why i cant install videotools like avidemux etc. Dont find them oO my sources lst : http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=5pCh6Mj2 |
| 15:28.04 | stew | and if we're going to be pedantic, it should be ##iptables or ##netfilter |
| 15:28.47 | alcohol | no they only have one # |
| 15:28.47 | alcohol | :< |
| 15:29.00 | stew | stayb: avidemux isn't in debian. I'd guess that its using patent encumbered software which isn't currently allowed in debian |
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| 15:29.06 | stew | alcohol: but they should have 2 |
| 15:29.18 | alcohol | lies, it's a name not a topic :< |
| 15:29.37 | abrotman | stew: i thought it was official? |
| 15:30.02 | stayb | stew, does no way exist to install it anyway? |
| 15:30.18 | abrotman | !tell stayb about dmm |
| 15:31.09 | jhutchins | stew: your pastebin link is the anti-spam captcha page for you to post it. |
| 15:31.26 | abrotman | jhutchins: you mean stayb ? |
| 15:31.36 | swombat | why doesn't this iptables rules file allow outgoing apt-get to an ftp server? http://pastie.org/private/bb0whpwjokjykp8ekhjxoq |
| 15:31.38 | jhutchins | Ermn, yes, I do. |
| 15:31.50 | swombat | there's a line allowing ftp (21) |
| 15:31.59 | stew | jhutchins: when I solve the captha i see his paste |
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| 15:33.37 | jhutchins | swombat: You need to allow, not just check flags. |
| 15:33.56 | swombat | jhutchins: isn't that what -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT does? |
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| 15:34.04 | jhutchins | swombat: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 15:35.13 | swombat | that's a serious TFM |
| 15:35.42 | stew | swombat: do you have a rule matching the ESTABLISHED,RELATED incoming traffic ? |
| 15:36.06 | swombat | stew: -I OUTPUT 1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 15:36.22 | stew | swombat: there is going to be incoming traffic as well |
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| 15:36.37 | swombat | -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED |
| 15:36.58 | swombat | wonders what that 1 is doing there |
| 15:37.17 | stew | swombat: saying where to insert the rule |
| 15:37.21 | swombat | ah |
| 15:37.31 | swombat | k, so it's not an error. damn. |
| 15:37.34 | stew | swombat: are you able to establish a connection? |
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| 15:38.53 | swombat | stew: huh, it does connect to the ftp now |
| 15:38.56 | swombat | tries apt-get again |
| 15:39.14 | jhutchins | ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED |
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| 15:40.06 | swombat | strange, it's only within apt-get that it fails to connect to the ftp mirror |
| 15:40.23 | swombat | oh |
| 15:40.32 | swombat | i think it might be trying to send a SYN before downloading stuff |
| 15:40.47 | swombat | tcp 0 0 Debian-50-lenny-6:36467 mirror.hetzner.de:ftp ESTABLISHED |
| 15:40.47 | swombat | tcp 0 1 Debian-50-lenny-6:57420 mirror.hetzner.de:21577 SYN_SENT |
| 15:41.00 | swombat | pings are blocked i think |
| 15:41.12 | stew | all tcp connections begin with a SYN |
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| 15:41.45 | stew | swombat: is there a reason you are using ftp instead of http? |
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| 15:42.01 | swombat | stew: that's just the default mirror set up when you install debian lenny on hetzner |
| 15:42.21 | swombat | but it connects to that ftp address fine outside of apt-get, though |
| 15:42.36 | stew | one is using passive mode and one is using active mode |
| 15:42.54 | stew | hmm, though it seems backwards |
| 15:43.16 | swombat | suddenly remembers that he should be checking /var/log/messages |
| 15:43.24 | swombat | and indeed there is a "Dropped by default" message there |
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| 15:44.02 | stew | swombat: i'd suggest just using http. its a much more sane protocol |
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| 15:44.10 | kthakore | How do I get LaTeX to find fonts properly? I have these fonts in /usr/share/fonts and ~/.fonts . But I still get http://paste.scsys.co.uk/49131 |
| 15:44.48 | swombat | stew: in the log, it appears to be connecting on SPT=55837 DPT=44799 |
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| 15:45.09 | stew | swombat: ok |
| 15:46.16 | swombat | i'll go try to change the sources to http i gues |
| 15:46.18 | swombat | *guess |
| 15:46.54 | amgarching | Hi, I swapped a disk in a md raid5 array. It worked in degraded mode. But disappeared after reboot. How do I start assembling it? |
| 15:46.55 | swombat | yep, it works now |
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| 15:47.06 | swombat | stew: jhutchins: thanks for the help |
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| 15:55.50 | amgarching | added an entry to mdadm.conf and tried to assemble it: mdadm: /dev/sdc has no superblock - assembly aborted. That is the disk I exchanged in a running raid5. |
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| 15:56.13 | thewanderer1 | havp says "cannot fork" and throws memory allocation errors when I run Linux with memory_overcommit = 2, but with the default setting (allow overcommit, 0) it runs just fine |
| 15:56.27 | thewanderer1 | however, I hate overcommit and want to get rid of it |
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| 16:00.37 | amgarching | ok, this line from man page brings it back in degraded mode: mdadm -Ac partitions -m 0 /dev/md0 |
| 16:01.28 | Trekki | I have installed the debian-keyring package, but still am getting warnings in aptitude that, for example, palapeli (a standard KDE package) is from an untrusted source. What am I missing? |
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| 16:02.42 | nsadmin | Trekki did you run aptitude update |
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| 16:06.35 | Trekki | nsadmin: hm I think I didn't. Didn't know that was necessary b/c I thought that the keys were managed a level down |
| 16:06.40 | Trekki | will do an update now |
| 16:06.40 | BiGViC | Is there anyway to see what decoder is handling h264... when I first install Debian Lenny on my system all my h264 files were running perfect I'm guessing after installing some apps and updates... via apt-get only something went wrong because my h264 files are really lagging behind. I'm a linux newb very fustrating :-\ |
| 16:06.47 | BiGViC | I'm using Totem BTW |
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| 16:16.31 | JordiGH | How do I get syntax highlighting in vim? |
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| 16:17.14 | Arrowmaster | ,versions wine |
| 16:17.17 | judd | wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 16:17.23 | stew | JordiGH: :syn on |
| 16:17.23 | BiGViC | Man linux is awesome but so little documentation :-\ |
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| 16:17.34 | Arrowmaster | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 16:17.36 | judd | wine-unstable -- sid: 1.1.32-1+b1 |
| 16:17.46 | JordiGH | stew: Hm, why isn't it on by default? It seems to be on by default on RHEL. |
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| 16:18.36 | JordiGH | has no .vimrc |
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| 16:18.47 | stew | JordiGH: dunno, you can change the default in /etc/vim/vimrc ; if I were to guess why, i'd guess so that it works on the widest variety of terminals |
| 16:19.06 | robysath | Lenny net install has no firmware-bnx2 for BroadCom NextXtreme II interface on my HP ProLiant server. What can I do? |
| 16:19.25 | JordiGH | Hm, ok, RHEL's vimrc is way different from Debian's. |
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| 16:20.31 | cahoot | robysath: try /msg dpkg bnx2 |
| 16:20.36 | thewanderer1 | robysath: boot your installer from PXE - this way, you hack the network interface because the PXE stack initializes the card |
| 16:21.04 | thewanderer1 | so if it boots, you have working network connectivity |
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| 16:23.14 | hughessd | hi, i am trying to find a copy of debian 4 (etch) iso for making a install USB, but when i look in the archives the biggest file is 10M. |
| 16:23.18 | hughessd | is there no .iso? |
| 16:24.00 | thewanderer1 | hughessd: etch is discontinued you know |
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| 16:26.03 | hughessd | the wanderer: yes i know. i need that particular version of debian. |
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| 16:27.16 | hughessd | i thought it'd be here: ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/ |
| 16:27.38 | hughessd | but there is just a package list i think |
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| 16:28.54 | anisfarhana | hello :) |
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| 16:29.24 | achury | Any debian.org webmasters here? http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ is linking to a dead page. |
| 16:29.33 | anisfarhana | Can someone advise me on proxy server ? I need proxy server for website filtering for different private ip address with captive portal. |
| 16:29.34 | achury | jigdop site is dead |
| 16:29.40 | anisfarhana | I guess i need squid for that. |
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| 16:30.42 | thewanderer1 | anisfarhana: unless you know you need squid, you don't need squid |
| 16:30.51 | thewanderer1 | anisfarhana: have you considered using domain name filtering instead? |
| 16:31.09 | thewanderer1 | this Squid beast is now on my system eating up gigabytes of memory O.o |
| 16:31.11 | anisfarhana | thewanderer1: I guess i will stick with squid for that. |
| 16:31.22 | anisfarhana | thewanderer1: that is not good :/ |
| 16:31.31 | thewanderer1 | well, Squid is rather fine, but you need 1GB or more of RAM |
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| 16:31.49 | anisfarhana | thewanderer1: I got 4Gb here. |
| 16:31.57 | thewanderer1 | I hope you mean 4GB |
| 16:32.02 | thewanderer1 | then you're free to run Squid |
| 16:32.03 | anisfarhana | yes 4GB |
| 16:32.29 | thewanderer1 | people, I'm having a strange problem - havp has the VSS of about 200MB! |
| 16:32.37 | thewanderer1 | and it's forking with that |
| 16:32.45 | anisfarhana | thewanderer1: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/squid.htm , you think this good instructions ? |
| 16:32.46 | Gijs | can anybody help me, |
| 16:33.15 | Gijs | i am adding my ip addresses with command: ip addr add 123.456.78.90/26 dev eth0 |
| 16:33.23 | Gijs | but everytime the server reboots the ip is gone |
| 16:33.33 | Gijs | is there a command to save the ip? |
| 16:33.34 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: this is supposed to work like this |
| 16:33.45 | thewanderer1 | !tell Gijs about interfaces |
| 16:34.07 | thewanderer1 | anisfarhana: this is not bad, but Squid doesn't do content filtering on its own |
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| 16:34.17 | thewanderer1 | anisfarhana: so you need dansguardian for that |
| 16:34.46 | anisfarhana | thewanderer1: i got VLANs here , so only some VLANs can access to blocked website in firewall. |
| 16:35.05 | Gijs | i am sorry but this is really nessassary now, can you please give me a working command, after that i will read the documentation |
| 16:35.19 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:35.45 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: if you need to stick with this "ip addr" stuff, then just stick it in /etc/rc.local and it will get executed on next reboot |
| 16:36.35 | Gijs | i see |
| 16:37.14 | Gijs | well at: nano /etc/network/interfaces i see this: http://pastebin.com/FfXZNFfV |
| 16:37.25 | Gijs | what i need to fill in to add a working ip address? |
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| 16:38.29 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: look at pastebin, I've submitted an amendment showing you that |
| 16:38.33 | jordanm | Gijs: see man interfaces |
| 16:38.58 | Gijs | thewanderer1 link of your post? |
| 16:39.18 | thewanderer1 | http://pastebin.com/UFK0KSfA |
| 16:39.52 | Gijs | nice |
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| 16:40.34 | Gijs | can i use the same netmask, gateway, broadcast as the other ip? |
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| 16:42.02 | Gijs | thewanderer1? |
| 16:43.05 | alex88 | someone has ever tried to run apache with chrootdir option and setup fcgid properly? |
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| 16:44.48 | I-are- | I am new to linux and I am using Debian Lenny with LXDE. Can anyone help me find a good way to manage network connections, such as an application, or should I just focus on learning to setup the interfaces manually via command line. |
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| 16:47.32 | hughessd | I-are: usually NetworkManager takes care of that, but wicd is better. if it's a small network, doing it by hand isn't too hard. |
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| 16:48.00 | michalxo | I vote for wicd too... always solves mystery problems with networking :-) |
| 16:48.56 | hughessd | does any one have a clue why the archives here (ftp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/i386/iso-cd/) have 20 .isos? |
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| 16:49.11 | michalxo | just get CD1 |
| 16:49.33 | michalxo | else are good if you don't have internet connection and need software... (from internet / CDs) |
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| 16:50.10 | I-are- | thanks for the tips. I will give it a shot |
| 16:50.10 | hughessd | so 2-20 aren't important? |
| 16:50.44 | jordanm | hughessd: they include all the software in the repositories |
| 16:50.51 | jordanm | hughessd: you likely should not be installing etch |
| 16:51.52 | hughessd | i know etch isn't supported,. |
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| 16:52.14 | jordanm | not just that, the repos have been archives as well |
| 16:52.22 | hughessd | but i understand how things work i think. |
| 16:52.27 | hughessd | thanks for the help |
| 16:52.29 | hughessd | gotta run. |
| 16:52.42 | jordanm | supporting existing legacy systems is one thing, installing a new legacy os is another.. |
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| 16:54.45 | cirdan | hey any idea how to get mod_cgi loaded with apache2 on sid? |
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| 16:54.55 | cirdan | there's no .load file or anything |
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| 17:04.15 | I-are- | does anyone mind helping me get my wireless working. I plug the PCMCIA card into the machine and it is not functioning. It is a netgear and should be covered by the ath5k driver. When I run the modprobe ath5k command I get no output. I am not sure whether I should try the madwifi or ath5k drivers. It seems that neither is currently installed, or I do not know how to activate them. |
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| 17:14.34 | thewanderer1 | something in havp is keeping its virtual memory usage high - what is it? I don't want 10 processes on my system, 200MB VSZ each |
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| 17:17.22 | michalxo | thewanderer1 try htop |
| 17:18.01 | thewanderer1 | alright - just installed, ran it... now what? O.o |
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| 17:18.24 | thewanderer1 | it's showing the numbers I just gave - 195M, 198M... |
| 17:19.38 | I-are- | I have tried installing madwifi and rebooting in an attempt to get my wireless card working. Still no luck. I think I must be missing some important steps. can anyone help me figure this out, please. I know I already asked, but after rebooting I figured I would ask again. |
| 17:19.49 | thewanderer1 | how do I see which parts of memory are shared? |
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| 17:20.19 | michalxo | I-are- what is your wifi card? |
| 17:20.51 | ZeuZ | Question, I've setup my domain and added my ISP nameservers. What do I need to do in my host to reference it to that domain? Is it imperative to install bind9? |
| 17:21.01 | thewanderer1 | htop says that 405MB ram is used, but I have 10 processes running at about 200MB VSZ each (oscillating around 150MB RES) |
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| 17:21.29 | I-are- | michalxo, Netgear WAG511 |
| 17:21.32 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: you just configure your nameserver |
| 17:21.47 | thewanderer1 | if you're using an external nameserver, you don't need a local nameserver at all |
| 17:21.49 | I-are- | michalxo, it is a dual band 32-bit cardbus device |
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| 17:22.58 | michalxo | I-are- I am not going to read it... but use google ;-) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/trouble-installing-netgear-wag511-with-madwifi-252535/ |
| 17:23.09 | I-are- | I have tested the card on another machine running Windows XP. That machine is also using the same model card. I confirmed that the wireless card is functioning properly. My issue is setting it up under debian |
| 17:23.12 | I-are- | michalxo, thanks |
| 17:23.35 | robysath | thewanderer1: thanks for your input about my firmware issue |
| 17:23.50 | robysath | cahoot: thanks, dpkg has shown me where to get firmware included net install cd |
| 17:24.06 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, yes, I'm using an external nameserver (my ISP one) still I don't know how to configure the host. So far, it only has it's IP address, gateway and netmask along with the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:24.28 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: wait, what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:24.39 | thewanderer1 | "configure the host" to do what? |
| 17:24.46 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, well we reserved a domain. I want that domain to point to the IP address of the host. |
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| 17:25.28 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: then you need to configure the nameserver, not the host |
| 17:25.32 | kdas | Hello all |
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| 17:25.44 | kdas | I have a strange problem. I have asterisk installed on to my debian box which is connected straight to the net and is sharing that connection wirelessly. Then I have another wireless router across the house that connects to my debian box and serves that internet connection with other devices that can't access the wifi via wires(eth). The devices on the wires (LAN) can surf the net, sip phones can register to other voip providers. However, the |
| 17:25.44 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: just add an A record in the domain's zone and it'll work |
| 17:25.46 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, the nameserver isn't under my control |
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| 17:25.57 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, the nameserver is under my ISPs control |
| 17:26.11 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: then why did you delegate the domain to that? |
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| 17:26.13 | kdas | ZeuZ: you can use whatever nameserver you like though |
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| 17:26.30 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: you bought a domain and what? didn't they give you a name server with that? |
| 17:26.32 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, because I called them for that matter and told me to use those to delegate my domain |
| 17:26.32 | kdas | ZeuZ: You dont have to use the nameserver pushed onto you by DHCP |
| 17:26.53 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, I reserved it for free, as in, argentinians don't pay .com.ar domains |
| 17:27.03 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, didn't buy it thorugh anyone, registered it |
| 17:27.07 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: how are you delegating the domain? |
| 17:27.25 | ZeuZ | well, I setup the nss as my ISP gave me |
| 17:27.39 | ZeuZ | they told me to delegate their two DNSs as the NSs |
| 17:27.43 | kdas | Anyone any insight on my problem ? |
| 17:28.07 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: so you can modify the DNS zone, right? |
| 17:28.18 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, no clue, they told me to do that |
| 17:28.23 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: so the domain is hosted on some kind of nameserver already, right? |
| 17:28.25 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, no further instruction |
| 17:28.40 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: just add an A record pointing to your IP address in the domain zone |
| 17:28.43 | delby | hello, i would like to install debian with lxde. i found on the wiki that i can install a fresh system with xfce by adding desktop=xfce at the boot prompt. will desktop=lxde work as well? |
| 17:28.49 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, how do I do that? |
| 17:29.00 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, I do't control my ISPs DNS |
| 17:29.25 | ZeuZ | maybe I should just install a DNS server for that matter and don¡'t use my ISPs ignoring their advice? |
| 17:29.47 | jordanm | delby: I believe so. you don't have to manually add the boot arguement, as those option can be found in the "advanced" menu of the boot screen |
| 17:30.01 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: what was the first thing you did after you registered this domain? |
| 17:30.21 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, delegated it in nic.ar to the ISPs NSs |
| 17:30.27 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: how? |
| 17:30.39 | thewanderer1 | do you have a "delegate" button or what? :P |
| 17:30.39 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, nic.ar-> tramites online-> altas ->delegaciones |
| 17:30.48 | ZeuZ | actually yeah |
| 17:30.49 | delby | jordanm: thanx. |
| 17:30.50 | ZeuZ | the site provides that |
| 17:31.07 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: do they provide you an option to edit the zone entries manually? |
| 17:31.22 | thewanderer1 | instead of editing just NS entries, edit your own entries |
| 17:31.27 | karlpinc | delby: Just install lxde. If you use gdm you can choose it from the session menu. |
| 17:31.34 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, nope, you asked about delegate, that's what the site allows you to do there |
| 17:31.41 | ZeuZ | no clue on how to continue |
| 17:31.42 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: nothing more? |
| 17:31.45 | ZeuZ | nope |
| 17:31.52 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: so you're basically screwed - you need a nameserver |
| 17:32.03 | jordanm | karlpinc: yeah... but its a complete setup. xfce for example would not otherwise come with a web browser, unless installed during install time |
| 17:32.14 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: but it's an endless loop - a nameserver that you delegate to must _already_ be accessible under a DNS name |
| 17:32.38 | thewanderer1 | you can not delegate to 127.0.0.1, but you can delegate to localhost.localdomain., for example |
| 17:32.47 | ZeuZ | All I know is that I've got my public IP there waiting to be matched with a domain hehe |
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| 17:33.15 | jordanm | ZeuZ: if you are referring to a PTR record, that has to be configured by your ISP or hosting provider |
| 17:33.38 | ZeuZ | jordanm, I'll call them, this time Mario isn't speaking |
| 17:33.40 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: you need a nameserver that is reachable under a DNS name |
| 17:33.42 | delby | karlpinc: i amabout to do a fresh install. do you mean install gnome and than choose lxde? |
| 17:33.50 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: visit xname.org |
| 17:34.12 | thewanderer1 | they have a poor uptime (about 99.0%), but it's the best free service I've seen so far |
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| 17:34.52 | jordanm | 99% isn't bad at all for non-business things |
| 17:34.53 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, thanks for the advice, I'll call iPlan anyways first |
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| 17:35.48 | karlpinc | delby: No, you don't need to install gnome. Just gdm. (I always do an absolute minimal install, then manually add to it. e.g.: aptitude install gdm lxde) |
| 17:35.51 | stew | 99% uptime is multiple hours of downtime per week |
| 17:35.52 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: if you convince a home net provider to add a PTR entry for you to your domain name, I shall call you The King Of Internet |
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| 17:36.11 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, get ready then :D |
| 17:36.19 | ZeuZ | takes meths to be ready for this |
| 17:36.50 | kdas | isn't there some awesome network geeks out there? |
| 17:36.53 | karlpinc | delby: Depending, you may want to do "aptitude install -R gdm" just to keep from picking up a lot of gnome you maybe don't want if you're really tight on disk. |
| 17:36.58 | thewanderer1 | oh wait, you're already called ZeuZ, the king of Olympus, or sth like that :P |
| 17:37.20 | jordanm | kdas: why, you hiring? |
| 17:38.12 | kdas | jordanm: naw looking more for some help :P |
| 17:38.12 | jordanm | kdas: ##networking unless it is specific to debian |
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| 17:38.44 | kdas | jordanm: yea its specific to debian. Because the only problem is when I try to do stuff on debian |
| 17:38.56 | jordanm | !tell kdas about ask |
| 17:39.46 | kdas | jordanm: I have a strange problem. I have asterisk installed on to my debian box which is connected straight to the net and is sharing that connection wirelessly. Then I have another wireless router across the house that connects to my debian box and serves that internet connection with other devices that can't access the wifi via wires(eth). The devices on the wires (LAN) can surf the net, sip phones can register to other voip providers. Howe |
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| 17:39.57 | kdas | I asked all right... |
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| 17:40.25 | thewanderer1 | it ends with "Howe", your message got cut off |
| 17:40.32 | jordanm | kdas: you got cut off at to other voip providers. Howe |
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| 17:40.50 | delby | karlpinc: thanx. |
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| 17:42.46 | kdas | jordanm: other voip providers. However, the wired devices cannot access asterisk on my debian box. The error is something along the lines of asterisk trying to talk back to the devices via their direct IPs which are private to the router that they are behind. Any ideas? |
| 17:43.38 | jordanm | kdas: so this network consists of two NAT gateways? two seperate networks? |
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| 17:43.43 | cusco | hi |
| 17:43.51 | thewanderer1 | I have 10 processes, each has 153M resident size and the SHR column shows sizes from 300 to 1200, but my system memory usage is 424MB as reported by htop - what is happening? |
| 17:44.06 | cusco | I once read about a tool/way to monitor changes on the filesystem, so if a new file is there, do something with it... |
| 17:44.17 | cusco | what is that tool/way called? what should I google for? |
| 17:44.17 | jordanm | cusco: inotify |
| 17:44.20 | cusco | thats it |
| 17:44.20 | cusco | thanks |
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| 17:45.12 | kdas | jordanm: yes, i would like it 1 but dont know how to do that |
| 17:45.33 | thewanderer1 | kdas: you should turn your second router into just an access point |
| 17:45.40 | jordanm | kdas: I still really don't understand you setup... |
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| 17:45.51 | thewanderer1 | kdas: draw a diagram in SVG and post it :P |
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| 17:45.59 | jordanm | kdas: it sounds like you are unessecarily splitting your network into two networks, and should be doing what thewanderer1 said |
| 17:45.59 | kdas | thewanderer1: then how would it connect to my deb box? |
| 17:46.25 | kdas | jordanm: i agree but lack of knowledge = 2 networks |
| 17:46.26 | jordanm | kdas: using layer 2 switching, instead of routing (layer 3) and NAT |
| 17:46.47 | kdas | DIAGRAM: net ---- DEB BOX >>>> <<<<ROUTER----DEVICE |
| 17:46.49 | thewanderer1 | kdas: you basically don't want NAT with asterisk |
| 17:47.00 | jordanm | I assume these "routers" have a few switch ports |
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| 17:47.10 | thewanderer1 | just connect to Asterisk's local IP instead of external IP |
| 17:47.18 | kdas | jordanm: how do i tell my openwrt router to use switching instead of giving IPs and NATing ? |
| 17:47.26 | jordanm | kdas: your deb box should be the single network gateway and ROUTER should only function as an AP |
| 17:47.35 | thewanderer1 | kdas: oh, openwrt... consult the documentation :P |
| 17:47.46 | jordanm | kdas: don't use the WAN port, switch from dhcp server to dhcp forwarder |
| 17:47.47 | kdas | thewanderer1: hahah great.. |
| 17:47.50 | thewanderer1 | you need to turn your "routers" into access points |
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| 17:48.22 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: DHCP forwarder is not needed in layer 2 |
| 17:48.23 | jordanm | assuming your debian router also does dhcp |
| 17:48.27 | kdas | thewanderer1: the router is connected to debian box via wifi client mode and giving that connection to wired devices |
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| 17:48.41 | thewanderer1 | kdas: then turn it into repeater mode or sth like that |
| 17:49.13 | jordanm | thewanderer1: ah, yes you are right |
| 17:49.51 | kdas | thewanderer1: the devices that are connecting through the openwrt router dont have wireless so what is use of repeater ? |
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| 17:50.22 | thewanderer1 | kdas: oh... I don't know the current terminology used in OpenWRT, but you basically want to turn off NAT, it seems |
| 17:50.26 | jordanm | client is corret, but I don't see how NAT is happening here |
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| 17:51.48 | phaidros | uhm, is it just me or is people.debian.org down? (http) |
| 17:52.09 | thewanderer1 | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 17:52.27 | jordanm | I think I made a factoid for that.. |
| 17:52.37 | phaidros | thewanderer1: heh, didn't know this one :) |
| 17:52.43 | jordanm | doesn't help if I can't remember what it is... |
| 17:52.49 | jordanm | !listvals http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
| 17:52.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com' by value (2): cmd: dfe (.*?) ;; website down. |
| 17:53.04 | jordanm | !dfe people.debian.org |
| 17:53.04 | dpkg | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/people.debian.org |
| 17:53.08 | kdas | thewanderer1: Yea so thats where i am stuck i guess? what about wds? |
| 17:53.11 | jordanm | didn't know that command existed |
| 17:53.35 | phaidros | It's not just you! http://people.debian.org looks down from here. |
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| 17:53.45 | thewanderer1 | kdas: I don't know about wds... do the clients on the first router (the one in your "diagram") have problems connecting to Asterisk? |
| 17:53.51 | kdas | jordanm: If openwrt is in client mode it is getting an IP from deb box how is it suposed to give same subnet ips to its clients? |
| 17:54.02 | kdas | thewanderer1: not at all |
| 17:54.20 | jordanm | thewanderer1: IIRC wds is unique in that it preserves the MAC address of clients when bouncing between APs |
| 17:54.25 | jordanm | and kills your throughput :p |
| 17:54.40 | thewanderer1 | kdas: OpenWRT is not supposed to give IPs to clients - the Debian server is. |
| 17:54.41 | ZeuZ | kdas, set it as bridge |
| 17:55.17 | kdas | thewanderer1: yea but how is the debian box suposed to give it ips ? |
| 17:55.23 | thewanderer1 | kdas: via DHCP |
| 17:55.27 | ZeuZ | kdas, therefore, being bridged, it'll pass the DHCP REQUEST to debian box, who'll reply to the router, who'll send the packets to the hosts |
| 17:55.31 | kdas | ZeuZ: the eth0 and wlan0 are brindged |
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| 17:55.45 | kdas | ZeuZ: i thought at least... |
| 17:55.46 | I-are- | when I run ifup wlan0 i get this message wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 does anyone know what it means? |
| 17:55.47 | thewanderer1 | kdas: er what? on OpenWRT or on Debian? |
| 17:56.01 | thewanderer1 | I-are-: missing firmware |
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| 17:56.11 | thewanderer1 | (just guessing!) |
| 17:56.43 | jordanm | I-are-: what version of debian? |
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| 17:57.31 | kdas | thewanderer1: on openwrt |
| 17:58.16 | I-are- | Jordan debian lenny |
| 17:58.18 | thewanderer1 | kdas: good, then your clients aren't natted, are they? |
| 17:58.34 | I-are- | do you need to know the kernel version? |
| 18:00.09 | kdas | thewanderer1: yea openwrt is running its own dnsmasq |
| 18:00.30 | thewanderer1 | kdas: then disable it, it's pointless now - rather run dnsmasq on Debian |
| 18:00.36 | jordanm | I-are-: are you trying to use ndiswrapper? dmesg say anything about firmware |
| 18:00.54 | thewanderer1 | kdas: unless you want dnsmasq to stay on your router for whatever reason... |
| 18:01.16 | thewanderer1 | kdas: so what is this asterisk problem, again? to which Asterisk IP are you connecting and from where? |
| 18:02.00 | kdas | thewanderer1: its because openwrt has dnsmasq its giving its clients thier own IP on different subnet that is the problem |
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| 18:02.08 | stew | I-are-: you can ignore wmaster0, just pay atention to wlan0 |
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| 18:02.13 | kdas | thewanderer1: and asterisk is like WTF is this IP |
| 18:02.47 | thewanderer1 | kdas: where the hell did you take another subnet from, when you don't have NAT and you have eth0 and wlan0 bridged? |
| 18:03.00 | thewanderer1 | bridged == being in the same subnet and sharing 1 IP address |
| 18:03.33 | thewanderer1 | for a second subnet to work on OpenWRT, you'd need an interface alias or sth with an IP from the second subnet for the clients to use as a router interface |
| 18:03.50 | kdas | thewanderer1: maybe bridge is not setup correctly ? |
| 18:03.58 | thewanderer1 | kdas: that would be my guess |
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| 18:05.07 | I-are- | this is part of what I see in dmesg: [ 1873.499361] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 18:05.34 | I-are- | it registers the card as phy2 |
| 18:05.48 | thewanderer1 | I-are-: have you checked the Debian Wiki? |
| 18:06.15 | stew | I-are-: are you associated with an AP? |
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| 18:06.56 | I-are- | thewanderer1, yes I have tried, but most of the information is related to madwifi and points me to many other sites that just confuse me more |
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| 18:07.05 | kdas | thewanderer1: The eth0 of the openwrt should be static or dhcp ? |
| 18:07.20 | thewanderer1 | kdas: unless you have DHCP from somewhere else, static |
| 18:07.24 | I-are- | stew, no I am not. it is not transmitting or receiving |
| 18:07.36 | thewanderer1 | kdas: well... does OpenWRT have /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:07.45 | kdas | thewanderer1: something like it |
| 18:07.52 | kdas | thewanderer1: wanna check it out ? |
| 18:07.59 | thewanderer1 | kdas: yeah |
| 18:08.26 | kdas | thewanderer1: if it is set to static which IP do i give the clients? that is where i gave the 192.168.4.0 subnet? |
| 18:08.26 | I-are- | when I run iwconfig I get http://pastebin.com/NwijSBeG |
| 18:08.29 | stew | I-are-: are you able to associate it with an AP on the command line? |
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| 18:08.56 | tech13 | attempting to install 5.0.5-amd64. Not able to detect the nic. Ubuntu identifies the nic as e1000e. Debian doesn't detect the nic, and selecting e1000e doesn't work. |
| 18:09.26 | rozie | tech13: lspci && lspci -n output for the card, please |
| 18:09.54 | I-are- | stew, I tried editing the /etc/network/interfaces with the info for my AP and when I tried ifup I ran into this problem |
| 18:09.55 | rozie | probably too new hardware for default kernel |
| 18:10.03 | tech13 | rozie, sorry, netinstall busybox doesn't have lspci |
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| 18:10.23 | rozie | tech13: ubuntu does... |
| 18:10.29 | tech13 | rozie, will restart the ubuntu in a minute and grab that.... |
| 18:10.35 | thewanderer1 | kdas: you just give your clients IP addresses from your local network |
| 18:11.05 | thewanderer1 | if you have 1 network, then it's not difficult to choose :P |
| 18:11.10 | kdas | thewanderer1: but if i set the eth0 to static then i need to give IP thats why i am asking should it not be DHCP ? |
| 18:11.43 | thewanderer1 | kdas: why are you giving an IP address to eth0, anyway? you should address the bridge, not physical interfaces... |
| 18:12.27 | kdas | thewanderer1: i think i just bricked my openwrt hahaha.... if it gets back up i will pastebin the interface file so you know whats going on |
| 18:12.41 | thewanderer1 | and yes, you address the bridge with an address from your local network |
| 18:14.04 | yow | thx & bye everyone |
| 18:14.04 | I-are- | some of the documentation I am reading says I should use the prism54 driver. has anyone used that before? |
| 18:15.33 | kdas | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/SfxTV5Yc there you go |
| 18:15.40 | I-are- | but the debian wiki lists my card under ath5k, which seems to be installed and working. Yet I am unable to get the wireless to work. |
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| 18:16.12 | I-are- | wicd does not recognize the interface either. |
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| 18:17.05 | nsadmin | is your chipset prism or atheros? |
| 18:17.06 | abrotman | tech13: is it a workstation or server? |
| 18:17.23 | thewanderer1 | kdas: so you'll have to set up bridging, this is not a file syntax that I know |
| 18:17.50 | tech13 | abrotman, it is my new workstation. |
| 18:17.57 | cahoot | I-are- no hardware switch turned off? |
| 18:18.03 | kdas | thewanderer1: is this what i want to do ? http://martybugs.net/wireless/openwrt/client.cgi |
| 18:18.39 | thewanderer1 | kdas, no, you don't want the "routed" part, so it's completely different :P |
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| 18:19.09 | I-are- | cahoot, hardware switch as in the wireless switch on a laptop, no it is a pcmcia card and as far as I know does not utilize an on/off switch |
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| 18:19.32 | kdas | thewanderer1: So then by default.. "The default OpenWrt configuration has the wireless interface bridged with the LAN ports." that is what you are saying right? |
| 18:19.58 | thewanderer1 | kdas: yes, you want to keep the bridging enabled |
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| 18:20.11 | cahoot | I-are- unplug/replug and read the last 20 or so lines of dmesg |
| 18:20.48 | ldo | have a problem with gnome-rdp, the labels for the group folders are not shown anyone some ideas? |
| 18:21.11 | kdas | thewanderer1: so then whats the problem ? I see 2 different WAN and LAN interfaces WAN = wifi LAN = eth0 |
| 18:21.14 | abrotman | tech13: you could use the squeeze netinst instead |
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| 18:21.26 | tech13 | rozie, Ethernet controller: Inter Corporation 82578DM (8086:10ef) |
| 18:21.38 | thewanderer1 | kdas: refer to this snippet, it's an example but gives you the general idea: http://pastebin.com/Tr8C52q5 |
| 18:21.44 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:10ef |
| 18:21.45 | judd | [8086:10ef] is '82578DM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10ef |
| 18:21.52 | kdas | thewanderer1: The cats over in #asterisk are saying thats exactly what I want.. hahah |
| 18:22.11 | eidolon | hi folks - i'm a little concerned about doing an update on a machine that may be out of date - does this look like a sane aptitude install? or is something Really Broken Somehwere? http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/11387 |
| 18:22.16 | thewanderer1 | kdas: especially, you can verify that you're running a bridge by using "brctl show" |
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| 18:23.09 | kdas | thewanderer1: br-lan8000.0018842a7e58noeth0 |
| 18:23.25 | nsadmin | eidolon: "may be out of date"? you mean the version of debian on it? |
| 18:24.06 | kdas | thewanderer1: the example you showed me they are using wifi as AP i am using as client |
| 18:24.11 | eidolon | nsadmin: well, i know that aptitude update has not been run on this machine in months, perhaps a year+ |
| 18:24.31 | eidolon | sources.list is showing deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 18:25.02 | nsadmin | eidolon: oh, so it may be lenny... uname -r |
| 18:25.21 | eidolon | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 18:26.11 | nsadmin | what happens when you do aptitude update |
| 18:26.22 | ldo | is there a channel for gnome-rdp à |
| 18:26.49 | eidolon | I get: 0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (35.9.37.225)] [Connecting to security.debian.org (128.31.0.36)] [Connecting to downloads.linux.hp.com (192.25.206.17)] <-- and it just sits here. |
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| 18:27.00 | I-are- | cahoot, ok I pulled it and it froze my system. had to reboot. looked at wicd and changed the preferences to include the wireless network. enabled encryption and now it works. |
| 18:27.19 | I-are- | seems it was just a simple answer I guess, let wicd do what it was made to do.... :P |
| 18:27.20 | nsadmin | eidolon, ping yahoo.com |
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| 18:27.24 | nsadmin | what happens? |
| 18:27.32 | I-are- | thanks for the help to everyone who pitched in. |
| 18:28.08 | cahoot | I-are- glad to help you freeze the system |
| 18:28.47 | thewanderer1 | kdas: ah-ha, but you want to bridge eth0 and wlan0 anyway |
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| 18:29.04 | I-are- | cahoot, it is good for me to bang my head against a brick wall every now and again... lets me know I still have a lot to learn |
| 18:29.14 | eidolon | nsadmin: getting an IP address, but not getting a response from yahoo. |
| 18:29.18 | eidolon | oooh. wait a sec. |
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| 18:29.39 | alleyzonme | New hack tools exploits,vulnerabilities,videos,shellcode on www.team3d.3xforum.ro |
| 18:29.41 | alleyzonme | New hack tools exploits,vulnerabilities,videos,shellcode on www.team3d.3xforum.ro |
| 18:29.43 | eidolon | wonders if i can't route beyond thel ocal net |
| 18:29.53 | kdas | thewanderer1: by default it is setup like that but i am having the problem that wlan0 is dhcp to deb box and eth0 is static with 192.168.4.0 |
| 18:30.04 | Finetic | I am looking for a recommendable company to hire dedicated servers at (prefer UK) |
| 18:30.11 | Finetic | suggestions for this any? |
| 18:30.19 | SlayerXP | Finetic: bytemark, rackspace |
| 18:30.28 | eidolon | yeah. |
| 18:30.30 | eidolon | this is a routing problem. |
| 18:30.33 | eidolon | goes to fix |
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| 18:30.42 | SlayerXP | Finetic: mentioning my name to bytemark may get you a discount |
| 18:30.44 | Finetic | SlayerXP: thanks, you use any of these? |
| 18:30.51 | thewanderer1 | oh look, #debian has transformed into a network help channel :D |
| 18:31.21 | thewanderer1 | kdas: er what? wlan0 is the dhcp server for your main Debian router? O.o |
| 18:31.21 | cusco | hmmm is there a tool that can tell me how many "a" is there in a text file? |
| 18:31.22 | SlayerXP | Finetic: not for DS, but I do a lot of business with bytemark and they have a pretty good reputation |
| 18:31.29 | SlayerXP | Finetic: I personally know most of the people who work there |
| 18:31.38 | nsadmin | have to have net to get packages from mirrors :P so it's a legit support topic |
| 18:31.41 | Finetic | how big would you say these companies are ? I only have experience with server4you and leaseweb in eu |
| 18:31.44 | kdas | thewanderer1: No, wlan0 is connected to my debian box via dhcp |
| 18:31.47 | thewanderer1 | cusco: it's a 2-minute job in PHP or your language of choice |
| 18:32.00 | kdas | thewanderer1: meaning wlan0 is getting its ip from DHCP server on the deb box |
| 18:32.02 | eidolon | how can i permanently disable networkmanager? |
| 18:32.09 | eidolon | it's absolute crap and is resetting network settings. |
| 18:32.11 | cusco | thewanderer1: I guess tr can manage it |
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| 18:32.16 | SlayerXP | Finetic: i do rent 4 VPSs from bytemark though |
| 18:32.17 | cusco | its bash, thewanderer1 |
| 18:32.34 | thewanderer1 | cusco: I don't know, PHP is faster for me to write :P |
| 18:32.46 | cusco | :) |
| 18:32.50 | thewanderer1 | kdas: so you need to disable DHCP client and set wlan0 to be bridged in "lan" network |
| 18:32.54 | cusco | I like php too |
| 18:33.02 | cusco | however, this machine ahs no php |
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| 18:33.26 | thewanderer1 | strange - Debian comes with all kinds of obscure languages like perl and python by default, yet no PHP |
| 18:33.27 | kdas | thewanderer1: if i disable the dhcp client what do i set it as static ? |
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| 18:34.29 | nsadmin | scheme would make a better web service language than php |
| 18:34.57 | metalfoo | Brainfuck too |
| 18:34.59 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 18:35.05 | nsadmin | the periphery is not properly developed tho |
| 18:35.25 | thewanderer1 | yes, there are no libraries for BF :( |
| 18:35.36 | kdas | nsadmin: i double vote scheme to replace php |
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| 18:35.53 | valdyn | perl is "obscure" yea right |
| 18:35.55 | thewanderer1 | kdas: you set the LAN interface as static, and you move the wifi iface from network "wan" to network "lan" |
| 18:36.01 | stew | thewanderer1: perl is an obscure language? |
| 18:36.19 | thewanderer1 | stew: yup :P |
| 18:36.36 | kdas | thewanderer1: ok last time i did that i could not access my openwrt and had to reflash it |
| 18:36.39 | AimHere | It's a language that's good for obscuring what it does |
| 18:36.46 | kdas | thewanderer1: what should i set the static IP to ? |
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| 18:36.52 | nsadmin | periphery-wise, I think perl's cpan wins |
| 18:37.14 | thewanderer1 | kdas: to some address from your local network (i.e. the network that Debian's wireless interface is on) |
| 18:37.23 | nsadmin | AimHere: if that's what you want, yes |
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| 18:37.35 | AimHere | thewanderer1, the reason perl is part of the default debian install is that some of the basic OS scripts are written in it. |
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| 18:37.45 | kdas | thewanderer1: if the deb box has a dhcp server why cant i have the dhcp client ? |
| 18:37.58 | nsadmin | you cah |
| 18:38.02 | nsadmin | can |
| 18:38.04 | metalfoo | AimHere: Which are more and more replaced by Python |
| 18:38.11 | thewanderer1 | kdas: does it benefit your OpenWRT box in any way? |
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| 18:38.46 | thewanderer1 | kdas: by the way, you probably want to turn off this wan thing |
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| 18:39.19 | kdas | thewanderer1: ok let me try |
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| 18:41.00 | kdas | thewanderer1: the LAN only allows me to choose one interface. options are: eth0, br_eth0, or ath0. Which do i choose |
| 18:41.15 | thewanderer1 | kdas: http://projectgus.com/2010/03/wireless-client-bridging-with-openwrt/ |
| 18:41.21 | thewanderer1 | I don't know what those bridges are |
| 18:41.35 | thewanderer1 | kdas: just discard the ARPNAT part |
| 18:41.40 | stew | metalfoo: are you sure? do we even have python as required or essential? |
| 18:42.06 | kdas | thewanderer1: ok rading |
| 18:42.29 | kdas | reading* |
| 18:42.57 | jordanm | python is not even "important" and thus not part of a base install |
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| 18:43.44 | thewanderer1 | python is "standard" |
| 18:44.08 | nsadmin | standard is not necessarily base |
| 18:44.34 | radon | thewandere1 TrueType |
| 18:45.24 | radon | thewandere1 ops true (iPad....) |
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| 18:50.10 | thewanderer1 | how do I see which users are members of a group with OpenLDAP? |
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| 18:53.13 | thewanderer1 | I can see some "memberUid" entries in some groups, but this is only for auxiliary groups - I can't see users who have this group set as their primary group |
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| 18:55.02 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Perhaps poke about the schemas in /etc/openldap/* |
| 18:55.48 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: I'm not diving in there again to modify this... and this is the default setup + samba stuff included |
| 18:58.01 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: That's the wonderful thing about ldap - there are no standards or defaults. |
| 18:58.24 | thewanderer1 | no standards? hahaha... I'm looking at a pile of OID's now |
| 18:59.01 | thewanderer1 | so it turns out I'm gonna have to check group memberships twice |
| 18:59.07 | Finetic | I am interested in running Virtual Machine software in my debian system, I like to start this from X (Gnome) and then run Windows Server 2003.. Any idea what is a good way to manage this? |
| 18:59.36 | metalfoo | Where's the problem? |
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| 18:59.39 | jordanm | Finetic: virtualbox |
| 18:59.40 | thewanderer1 | Finetic: VirtualBox - you can run it on its own tty on system boot, I once did this |
| 18:59.51 | thewanderer1 | it was a hack with rungetty or sth like that |
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| 19:00.16 | Finetic | thewanderer1: ok sounds good |
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| 19:01.13 | ldo | nice for server is also the headless option in vbox |
| 19:01.15 | thewanderer1 | besides, there's no other desktop virtualization software (VMware is not free, KVM is too "kludgy" by default for desktop use, and qemu's performance is poor + it has all of KVM's kludges :P ) |
| 19:01.30 | thewanderer1 | ldo: not nice is the speed that you get with VNC... |
| 19:02.01 | thewanderer1 | or does this thing even support VNC out of the box? hm, I must have thought about KVM... |
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| 19:02.46 | thewanderer1 | kdas: AP Client config here for ya: http://pastebin.com/WYJDKui8 |
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| 19:02.55 | mete | hi |
| 19:03.07 | ldo | yes vrdp server |
| 19:03.24 | jordanm | thewanderer1: with virt-manager kvm will likely be a good desktop choice in the near future |
| 19:03.28 | thewanderer1 | ldo: only with the closed-source version though... bleh! |
| 19:03.48 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: hm, nice. will virt-manager do client-server stuff to manage remote servers? |
| 19:04.00 | ldo | thats true |
| 19:04.02 | mete | because it's not possible that luks uses multi core for a single partition encryption, I'm searching for an aes accelerator card. anyone knows a card, which works on debian lenny with luks without kernel changes (recompile or so)? |
| 19:04.03 | jordanm | thewanderer1: hopefully before oracle drops vbox OSE |
| 19:04.05 | kdas | thewanderer1: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/clientmode read that. What you are trying to tell me to do is only avalible for broadcom i have atheros chipset |
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| 19:04.15 | thewanderer1 | kdas: oh, ok... |
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| 19:04.26 | jordanm | thewanderer1: not sure |
| 19:04.29 | thewanderer1 | we need some standards in wireless cards... |
| 19:04.58 | jordanm | thewanderer1: AFAIK it basically runs the VM in the background, and then creates a VNC session to it |
| 19:05.45 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: hm, interesting - that's what KVM does with -vnc :0 option |
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| 19:07.01 | jordanm | thewanderer1: yes, I suppose its like a gui interface on top of the usual kvm commands |
| 19:07.23 | thewanderer1 | still, if it manages bridges for me, I'll be content |
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| 19:08.44 | thewanderer1 | guys, what are "__utma" cookies?! |
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| 19:09.14 | metalfoo | Session tracking from Google Analytics |
| 19:09.22 | thewanderer1 | crap, my bank is giving me this |
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| 19:10.20 | hebz0rl | hi i get "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded." with aptitude on squeeze how do i show the 4 not upgraded packages? |
| 19:11.01 | metalfoo | Because it conflicts/replaces with a package you have installed |
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| 19:11.06 | jhutchins_lt | Why would it use vnc instead of x forwarding? |
| 19:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | hebz0rl: Does it list the packages that are not going to be upgraded? What command did you use? |
| 19:11.42 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: because if you run BIOS/GRUB/Windoze in KVM, it's hard to set up X forwarding with the host system |
| 19:11.49 | hebz0rl | jhutchins_lt, sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 19:11.52 | thewanderer1 | er with the guest system |
| 19:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, non-free OS. |
| 19:12.44 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: er... how exactly do you envision setting up X.org on GRUB? |
| 19:12.46 | jhutchins_lt | hebz0rl: you can ask aptitude why not <package>, you can also try full-upgrade. |
| 19:13.03 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Same way you do serial console. |
| 19:13.12 | thewanderer1 | right... |
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| 19:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I thought you guys were telling me that you don't need bootloader on VM's though. |
| 19:13.41 | hebz0rl | yeah but for why not i need the name of the package which i dont know because aptitude isnt telling me ;( full upgrade isnt an option because i use apt pinning with stable as default and squeeze :/ |
| 19:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | hebz0rl: Congratulations, you get to keep both parts. |
| 19:14.10 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: not exactly this - you don't need bootloaders on paravirt or on container separation, but you do need bootloaders on *emulators* |
| 19:14.25 | jhutchins_lt | hebz0rl: I imagine you're being told that your pinning is holding back 4 packages. |
| 19:14.37 | thewanderer1 | hebz0rl: apt-get upgrade |
| 19:14.48 | thewanderer1 | it should tell you the names of packages that are not upgraded |
| 19:14.51 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: aptitude |
| 19:15.09 | stew | hebz0rl: try "aptitude search ~U" |
| 19:15.11 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: not this time - apt-get at least lists the packages it refuses to upgrade |
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| 19:15.29 | jhutchins_lt | bet there's a way to get aptitude to as well. |
| 19:15.31 | hebz0rl | stew, that worked thx ;D |
| 19:15.37 | nkuttler | hrm, is there anything faster than grep to search huge files? something that builds some kind of index maybe? |
| 19:16.10 | nkuttler | should probably split the files by.. something |
| 19:16.18 | hebz0rl | thewanderer1, yours worked too thx |
| 19:16.27 | thewanderer1 | nkuttler: er... index? the index would take at least as much space as the file itself |
| 19:16.40 | thewanderer1 | you'll be lucky if you get N^2 space complexity with indexing |
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| 19:17.16 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: There have been things like beagle. |
| 19:17.33 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: Mostly they have been beaten to death by angry users for the performance hit. |
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| 19:17.48 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: beagle searches metadata, but it doesn't index file contents themselves as a 1:1 index |
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| 19:18.25 | thewanderer1 | so for content this is not very useful when you have random files like "list of all names known to humanity in all languages" |
| 19:18.45 | nkuttler | thewanderer1: yeah, it's not random, but thanks for the input |
| 19:19.04 | thewanderer1 | nkuttler: if this gets repetitive, consider migrating to a database or a tree-like storage |
| 19:19.29 | thewanderer1 | if you can reformat the data this way semantically, that is |
| 19:21.23 | bluegene | how can i find out the keycode of fn+f2 of my thinkpad? |
| 19:21.39 | nkuttler | bluegene: xev should do |
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| 19:23.58 | thewanderer1 | if it has a padlock icon on it, it's probably already associated with XF86Lock or sth like that |
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| 19:42.39 | bluegene | i can't figure out xev's output ;) it's too much and i'm not sure whether it's only the FN keycode or the combination of both |
| 19:42.45 | bluegene | thanks anyway |
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| 19:48.00 | debiantonio | weeget |
| 19:48.09 | debiantonio | soory |
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| 19:50.31 | BLZbubba | ? |
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| 19:53.17 | mee | BLZbubba: the man page has a bunch of options which limit the displayed types of processes, like -d or -a. |
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| 20:02.23 | userrlc | how to watch flash animations under iceweasel for debian testing amd64 ? I have flash plugin non free installed but it seem that it doesn't load as plugin into iceweasel |
| 20:02.41 | zobel | apt-get install gnash |
| 20:03.11 | userrlc | zobel, gnash is not compatible with all websites |
| 20:03.31 | zobel | that is the websites fault |
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| 20:04.01 | userrlc | zobel, sure but I can rewrite them :) |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | yeah .. really .. i mean reverse engineering a closed source application and then it not working is clearly the fault of the website |
| 20:04.27 | abrotman | !tell userrlc about adobe flash |
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| 20:04.55 | abrotman | userrlc: there are a lot of hoops to jump through for amd64 adobe flash |
| 20:05.22 | userrlc | abrotman, thank for the source of the plugin on backports :) |
| 20:05.42 | abrotman | userrlc: no, do not use that one .. the adobe amd64 flash is broken .. you're supposed to use nspluginwrapper and 32bit flash |
| 20:06.19 | stew | source of the adobe plugin? hah |
| 20:06.31 | thewanderer1 | expect a bash script :P |
| 20:06.31 | EduardeCalibal | Hi Someone know if is possible search inside odf files? I have a big amount of files and the usual search dont is working to me. :-/ |
| 20:06.40 | userrlc | abrotman, arf I ever use this way some time ago ... ok |
| 20:07.26 | thewanderer1 | Wikipedia says: Google Desktop Search has an unofficial OpenDocument plug-in available, supporting ODT, OTT, ODG, OTG, ODP, OTP, ODS, OTS, and ODF OpenDocument formats - I say: Google Desktop Search spies on you and I have no bloody idea if you can even run it under Linux |
| 20:07.56 | EduardeCalibal | ...I think is a bad chose... But Thanks. |
| 20:07.58 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 20:08.29 | tharkun | !tell EduardeCalibal about br |
| 20:08.31 | thewanderer1 | you need your own indexing software, I think |
| 20:08.49 | EduardeCalibal | Yes... I am making a idea now. :D |
| 20:09.27 | thewanderer1 | EduardeCalibal: hmm, look at this http://opendocumentfellowship.com/applications#search |
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| 20:09.56 | EduardeCalibal | tharkun, what I say to you send this to me? |
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| 20:12.02 | EduardeCalibal | thewanderer1, Thanks. I light in the end at last. :-D |
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| 20:12.57 | tharkun | EduardeCalibal: Merely informative. It might feel strange. But lots of interesting characters down there |
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| 20:13.07 | EduardeCalibal | I dont see here... |
| 20:13.19 | EduardeCalibal | ASCII? |
| 20:13.31 | tharkun | I didn't try to be rude or anything like it |
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| 20:14.28 | EduardeCalibal | Dont worry about it. Maybe is some wrong with my plugin, I use chatzilla inside the firefox. |
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| 20:17.24 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.30 | EduardeCalibal | Then... |
| 20:18.53 | userrlc | abrotman, perfect workaround for flash until a new true amd64 version :) |
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| 20:19.52 | thewanderer1 | userrlc: you mean "until flash dies", right? :P |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | userrlc: good luck with that |
| 20:19.59 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 20:20.43 | userrlc | thewanderer1, oups... yes of course and gnash win or html5 :) |
| 20:24.59 | obiwahn | is there something like libdvdcss for blueray? |
| 20:25.36 | thewanderer1 | is blu-ray even encrypted this way? O.o |
| 20:25.36 | obiwahn | or in other words, is it possible to play blueray movies on linux |
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| 20:27.13 | thewanderer1 | obiwahn: you should improve on your google-fu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD - I know this is Ubuntu, but seems just somewhat relevant |
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| 20:27.44 | obiwahn | look at the date |
| 20:27.48 | jordanm | looks like it wants you to manually compile software with a poor build system |
| 20:27.54 | obiwahn | was like 07 or 06 |
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| 20:28.06 | thewanderer1 | compile? where? |
| 20:28.15 | jordanm | as-in a build system that requires to you "make; make install", copy binaries to some location manually, then "make; make install" again... |
| 20:28.22 | obiwahn | oh 2010:( |
| 20:28.34 | obiwahn | missread it when i was on that page |
| 20:28.41 | jordanm | thewanderer1: oh, thats only one of the two methods |
| 20:28.48 | jordanm | thewanderer1: http://themediaviking.com/software/bluray-linux/ |
| 20:29.12 | jordanm | the instructions is also missing ";" |
| 20:29.40 | obiwahn | libaacs :) |
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| 20:29.58 | thewanderer1 | whoever thought that encrypting content delivered to customers is a good idea had no idea at all... |
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| 20:34.41 | obiwahn | has windows7 native blueray support? |
| 20:35.03 | obiwahn | or do they have to but some third party product as well? |
| 20:35.12 | streuner | obiwahn: wrong channel |
| 20:36.01 | obiwahn | streuner: don't you have other things to do - like beeing constructive |
| 20:36.45 | streuner | obiwahn: you are OT |
| 20:36.55 | Tux^verdreifelt | obiwahn: win7 doesn't have native BR support. |
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| 20:37.11 | obiwahn | ot? |
| 20:37.17 | metalfoo | off topic |
| 20:37.17 | [-TuMBa-] | off topic? |
| 20:37.19 | Tux^verdreifelt | off-topic |
| 20:37.21 | streuner | off-topic |
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| 20:37.27 | metalfoo | Another one! |
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| 20:38.37 | EduardeCalibal | Wow... A mass off topic phrase send. I send one to "Off Topic". Cool. |
| 20:38.46 | streuner | obiwahn: Dont message me too! :-) |
| 20:40.09 | thewanderer1 | my question: what is the benefit of being online on IRC 24/7 using a bouncer or sth like that? |
| 20:40.28 | metalfoo | Nothing (in networks having NickServ) |
| 20:40.31 | thewanderer1 | I mean, why do we have 952 people here but about 1% are chatting? |
| 20:40.41 | thewanderer1 | is this just a matter of habit? |
| 20:40.45 | streuner | well, some people use bouncer to be 24/ online... |
| 20:40.53 | EduardeCalibal | Is a mastery. :D |
| 20:41.04 | metalfoo | Who says, all of those are using bouncer? It's IRC |
| 20:41.10 | metalfoo | Idling is part of the concept |
| 20:41.14 | thewanderer1 | er |
| 20:41.27 | thewanderer1 | I could never understand why |
| 20:41.52 | streuner | thewanderer1: another reason is, to hide the IP |
| 20:42.09 | thewanderer1 | yeah, as if it mattered |
| 20:42.12 | streuner | hide their local IP |
| 20:42.17 | thewanderer1 | local IP? |
| 20:42.24 | thewanderer1 | as in LAN? O.o |
| 20:42.26 | streuner | from client side |
| 20:42.48 | thewanderer1 | ah, security by obscurity - now I get it |
| 20:42.55 | streuner | hehe |
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| 20:43.09 | thewanderer1 | I still prefer to stick to my Shorewall, thanks :) |
| 20:43.52 | thewanderer1 | I would've dropped NAT long ago if I knew how to launch IPv6 under Debian's openvz kernel, anyway |
| 20:44.17 | metalfoo | Why not? You join channels you like and from time to time you take a look, if you are interested. It's not that you would join to the IRC to actively communicate, like people coming from Facebook now and AOL before suppose. |
| 20:46.26 | metalfoo | Also you shouldn't forget, you are in an international network here, it may be really early (or late) for some people right now, some may be at work, and so on. |
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| 21:07.12 | snail | metalfoo: heh, it's 9am here |
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| 21:09.46 | metalfoo | 11 pm over here. So we seem to be located on the other end of the world. |
| 21:09.58 | metalfoo | Just proofs, what I told thewanderer1 |
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| 21:10.30 | thewanderer1 | yes - I don't exactly see how it would be related to being online all the time, though, but ok :P |
| 21:11.14 | metalfoo | Because you can? |
| 21:11.37 | metalfoo | Yes, we can (or something) |
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| 21:16.56 | raiffa | how would I pipe the output of two commands to 'less'? |
| 21:17.26 | raiffa | something like '(command1; command2) | less' ? |
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| 21:18.14 | OpenTokix | raiffa: use three terminals, one for command1, pipe it to a logfile, one for command2, pipe to another logfile. - Then you do a: tail -f logfile1 logfile2|less in the thirdterminal |
| 21:18.50 | amphi | raiffa: like you did, (foo; bar) | less |
| 21:19.27 | amphi | OpenTokix's solution is more, er, elegant ;) |
| 21:20.28 | mee | if they're long-running, you can have them both output to a named pipe and read from the pipe |
| 21:20.47 | thewanderer1 | but then you defy the purpose of less :P |
| 21:20.51 | mee | but that's not 100% safe, and doesn't preserve order |
| 21:21.58 | snail | thewanderer1: i'm on irc 24/7 because many of my questions / conversatoins involve people in different timeszones and they regularly follow-up hours or days after my last |
| 21:22.08 | mee | if they're long-running, you're better off using a real logging tool like syslog or multilog |
| 21:22.35 | thewanderer1 | snail: hmm ok, it's interesting that Debian Forums don't get used for that |
| 21:23.12 | snail | thewanderer1: these are mainly low-volume specialist channels I'm thinking of |
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| 21:23.52 | thewanderer1 | oh, so you don't get spammed by avalanches of non-relevant lines :) |
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| 21:26.54 | ngomes | metalfoo, what part of the globe are u ? island ? |
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| 21:28.06 | metalfoo | central europe, Italy. Iceland is -2 from here |
| 21:28.32 | ngomes | oO |
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| 21:28.59 | ngomes | oh , right right |
| 21:29.10 | ngomes | i was making my counts in reverse |
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| 21:30.02 | metalfoo | UTC+2 if you prefer that |
| 21:30.15 | ngomes | im gmt |
| 21:30.40 | Artemis121 | hi, i have got a problem with a ext3 partition(formated with -T largefile4). i used it for some time, but now i cant copy large files there anymore(via samba, 10gb+). then i copied some smaller files 2gb, 8gb, 5gb, but know i cant copy even a 3gb file anymore. 227gb of 1,4tb are free. could fragmentation be the problem? "filefrag" of the last file i copied gave me "2513 extents found, perfection would be 1 extent"(i dont really know what t |
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| 21:32.46 | Artemis121 | forgot to say: fsck shows no errors |
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| 21:34.55 | karlpinc | Artemis121: Try df -i |
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| 21:36.00 | Artemis121 | this is the partition: /dev/sdh1 357728 919 356809 1% /media/movies |
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| 21:36.35 | karlpinc | Artemis121: So that's not it, and just df says you've space too? |
| 21:37.01 | Artemis121 | yes: /dev/sdh1 1,4T 1,2T 227G 84% /media/movies |
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| 21:39.17 | karlpinc | Artemis121: That about exhausts what I know. |
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| 21:40.47 | astartoth | hi. I want to automatically boot to X without any login manager. I partially did this, but the resto of the tty's are not working. I edited /etc/inittab and added: 8:5:respawn:/bin/su aurocha -l -c "/bin/bash --login -c startx -- -nolisten tcp >/dev/null 2>&1" |
| 21:42.13 | thewanderer1 | astartoth: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=29333 |
| 21:42.24 | astartoth | but when ctrl+alt+F1, i get back to X by pressing alt+f2, while when there's a LM we must press alt+f7. I'm sure the syntax I added in /etc/inittab is somewhat wronng |
| 21:42.37 | astartoth | thewanderer1: checking... |
| 21:42.56 | bolt | astartoth: check out rungetty |
| 21:43.23 | thewanderer1 | it's all on the forums, really - the howtos there are countless |
| 21:43.27 | ponyofdeath | anyone know of a good tool to load test bind9? |
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| 21:44.08 | astartoth | i use the foruns. but sometimes I can't find what I need. honestly I didn't look for this one. I was pretty sure it was just a correction to the syntax. |
| 21:44.12 | astartoth | thanks for that |
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| 21:44.42 | thewanderer1 | ponyofdeath: for ((i=0; $i<10000; i++)); do nslookup "nodomaindddd${i}.com" your-server-name & done; and observe system load on the server |
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| 21:45.15 | jordanm | isn't nslookup deprecated? |
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| 21:45.26 | thewanderer1 | it *works* |
| 21:45.33 | ponyofdeath | thewanderer1: hmm yeah i was thinking something along those lines but was wondering if there was something more geared toward benching bind9 |
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| 21:52.55 | EduardeCalibal | I have a small problem with the nautilus. If I go to address "computer:///" and click into CDROM nautilus crash without messages and reopen... |
| 21:53.58 | EduardeCalibal | Nautilus have a log in some place? |
| 21:54.00 | thewanderer1 | does "without messages" include standard output / standard error? |
| 21:54.06 | thewanderer1 | run it in a console |
| 21:54.41 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:55.06 | EduardeCalibal | I try "$ skill -9 nautilus; nautilus" but dont work to... |
| 21:55.18 | EduardeCalibal | Ignore the $... |
| 21:55.54 | thewanderer1 | EduardeCalibal: try nautilus outside gnome - for instance, in a failsafe session, or under fluxbox or whatever you might have installed |
| 21:56.06 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... |
| 21:56.10 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, I try it now... |
| 21:56.12 | EduardeCalibal | Cya. |
| 21:56.19 | EduardeCalibal | Ops, moment. |
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| 22:00.20 | Artemis121 | does anybody know a defrag tool for ext3? |
| 22:02.24 | tharkun | Artemis121: an extra hdd copy everything into it then back and that's it |
| 22:02.42 | not_david | tharkun: you beat me to it :D |
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| 22:03.08 | thewanderer1 | Artemis121: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Defragmentation |
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| 22:03.57 | Artemis121 | tharkun: 1,2tb x2 @20mb/s(usb).. only if there is no other way to do it! |
| 22:04.02 | jelly-home | what they said. backup/copy/reformat, restore |
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| 22:04.59 | EduardeCalibal | thewanderer1... The address "computer:" dont work if I load gnome with the terminal... |
| 22:05.01 | tharkun | Artemis121: firewire or esata is the alternative. Who spoke of usb ? |
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| 22:05.22 | EduardeCalibal | ...only with the terminal. |
| 22:05.29 | jelly-home | Artemis121: or if you have a spare device, just make a file-based copy to a new filesystem and use that from now on |
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| 22:05.36 | Artemis121 | its an external usb harddisk that i would have to backup |
| 22:06.07 | tharkun | Artemis121: by one who is esata or firewire , you are not limited to usb |
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| 22:06.40 | jelly-home | Artemis121: why would you care about fragmentation if you only have usb connectivity? usb is going to limit the transfer rate more, in the long run, than fragmentation. |
| 22:07.27 | Artemis121 | jelly-home: cause i cant copy anything to the harddisk anymore |
| 22:07.47 | Artemis121 | repost of my problem: hi, i have got a problem with a ext3 partition(formated with -T largefile4)(fsck shows no errors). i used it for some time, but now i cant copy largefiles there anymore(via samba, 10gb+). then i copied some smaller files 2gb, 8gb, 5gb, but know i cant copy even a 3gb file anymore. 227gb of 1,4tb are free, 1% of inodes are used. could fragmentation be the problem? "filefrag" of the last file i copied gave me "2513 exte |
| 22:08.07 | s5s | Hey guys I am practising c++ (I am a moderate to advanced user and reading advanced topics). Anyway there are many small utilities out there written in C which would be much nicer (in terms of less lines) and safer (in terms of allowing compiler to perform compilation checks) if the code was in C++. The most basic and evident example is replacing define with const etc. but then we get on to classes. However do utilities in linux have to b |
| 22:09.01 | jelly-home | Artemis121: pastebin the actual command you ran and its whole output, please |
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| 22:10.01 | jelly-home | Artemis121: oh. I see you've chreate your filesystem with -T largefile4, which means you told mkfs to only create an inode table of size sufficient to fill the disk with files of 4MB size. |
| 22:10.09 | thewanderer1 | s5s: I'm running a C++ daemon, namely havp, and it uses up 200MB virtual memory when initializing (it uses vectors, too!), then fork()s with that and it thinks that my system should allow it to overcommit gigabytes of memory... no, thanks! :P |
| 22:10.21 | jelly-home | Artemis121: df -i will confirm you've used up all of the inodes. |
| 22:10.45 | Artemis121 | jelly-home most files are larger than 4gb. 1% of inodes are used |
| 22:11.11 | Artemis121 | df -i: /dev/sdh1 357728 919 356809 1% /media/m |
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| 22:11.35 | jelly-home | Artemis121: which debian release are you using? please pastebin the data asked for. |
| 22:11.39 | s5s | thewanderer1: are you sure that the daemon wouldn't take at least the same in C? Have you tried it? If yes why are you running the C++ version? If no then I guess there's nothing more to say cause we can't be sure can we |
| 22:12.10 | Artemis121 | Linux version 2.6.32-trunk-kirkwood (Debian 2.6.32-5) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-6) ) #1 Mon Jan 11 10:57:12 UTC 2010 |
| 22:12.16 | thewanderer1 | s5s: there is no C version, and I'm sure as hell that it is the fault of C++ memory allocation |
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| 22:12.53 | thewanderer1 | s5s: have you tried to ask Linus why he didn't port Linux to C++? somebody did :) well, small utilities need to be slick, and that's what C excels at, sadly |
| 22:13.07 | jelly-home | Artemis121: that doesn't show the debian release used. Please pastebin the outputs of lsb_release -a and dpkg -l libc6 in addition to other data. |
| 22:13.48 | jelly-home | Artemis121: also "dpkg --print-architecture" |
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| 22:14.40 | jelly-home | Artemis121: it might be an arch-specific issue (I'm guessing solely by my not being acquainted with that -kirkwood kernel flavor) |
| 22:15.13 | jelly-home | !pastebin |
| 22:15.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:15.25 | s5s | thewanderer1: C++ has better memory allocation than C. You have the new, delete words. You have constructors, destructors. You have the great thing called smart pointers which automatically free up memory once it's not needed. Ultimately it boils down to the guy who wrote the code and the compiler used. C++ is at least as efficient as C. The problem is that things such as printing to stdout and writing to files etc (which make programs sl |
| 22:16.35 | amphi | surely 'smart pointers that automatically leak memory' ;) |
| 22:16.36 | jelly-home | Artemis121: 2.6.32-trunk-* sounds like an old squeeze or sid kernel. You'll want to upgrade to 2.6.32-5-* |
| 22:16.49 | thewanderer1 | well anyway, I guess that everyone would be writing C++ utils by now if there were no clear advantages of C... |
| 22:17.18 | thewanderer1 | still, you're free to port or start a new project if you wish! just don't make anti-virus HTTP proxies, please :D |
| 22:17.39 | Artemis121 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/UmgEWNqj |
| 22:18.33 | Artemis121 | the computer is a sheevaplug(small arm cpu(1,2ghz, 512mb ram), 1usb, 1sdcard, 1 1gb ethernet) |
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| 22:18.36 | c03 | hi |
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| 22:19.12 | c03 | A nice command-line controlled virtual machine, for debian? any suggestions? |
| 22:20.04 | jelly-home | Artemis121: righto. I'd try connecting that disk to an i386 or amd64 device. If it works there, blame something in the armel arch. |
| 22:20.16 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 22:20.16 | dpkg | ARM is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture. Devices supported by the Debian arm port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:20.54 | s5s | thewanderer1: the reason C++ wasn't used for linux is most probably because it was a new language and it wasn't stable. On top of that there wasn't a stable C++ compiler (not even comercial one and this still holds as far as I know - there is no industrially stable C++ compiler yet). G++ has improved but even now is not great and at the time the kernel was created was probably just a project if that! And forget about porting the kernel to |
| 22:21.21 | jelly-home | Artemis121: dmesg output may point out issues. Also, you didn't show what your cp or mv or whatever command complained about. |
| 22:21.42 | thewanderer1 | well, I don't see your point s5s - there's too much to port over, after all |
| 22:21.45 | Artemis121 | ok, will recopy and post it to pastebin |
| 22:21.56 | jelly-home | s5s: you are a) getting cut off, b) getting way offtopic |
| 22:22.49 | jelly-home | s5s: "(which make programs s[cut]", "And forget about porting the kernel t[cut]" |
| 22:23.05 | s5s | thewanderer1: jelly-home All I'm asking is if I spend time to port some small programs in C++ and test them and they perform the same or better are they going to be accepted as new versions of the same program? I'm talking about things such as cal ncal calendar etc |
| 22:23.36 | thewanderer1 | s5s: if you add new functionality and come up with less bugs, then the answer is "probably |
| 22:23.49 | jelly-home | s5s: you'd have to ask the original authors, likely |
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| 22:24.38 | s5s | jelly-home: then what's the point of the GNU license? |
| 22:24.55 | s5s | jelly-home: or the BSD license actually cause that's what they use I think |
| 22:24.56 | jelly-home | s5s: it doesn't prohibit forking. |
| 22:25.30 | s5s | jelly-home: cool then keep an eye out for cal++ and calendar++ :) |
| 22:26.08 | jelly-home | s5s: this isn't a tech support question, have fun now. I'm stopping this convo from my side. Feel free to continue in #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:28.47 | EduardeCalibal | Ok... I solved my crashes with Nautilus but now I have messages about "only root" to mount CDROM and USB devices... |
| 22:29.03 | EduardeCalibal | Someone know how solve this? |
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| 22:30.51 | peterrooney | EduardeCalibal: does konqueror have the same problem? you may need to add a user,noauto option to cdrom in /etc/fstab |
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| 22:31.36 | EduardeCalibal | Yes... All system have this problem, if I try in a terminal, same problem. |
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| 22:32.39 | gamla_kossan | evening people. could someone please remind me what the gnome fdisk program is called? |
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| 22:32.48 | EduardeCalibal | gfdisk? |
| 22:32.50 | EduardeCalibal | gparted? |
| 22:32.56 | gamla_kossan | gparted, that's it |
| 22:32.57 | gamla_kossan | thanks! |
| 22:33.00 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 22:33.07 | gamla_kossan | =) |
| 22:34.47 | EduardeCalibal | ... about my case, I have the option users in fstab and added users do disk group. |
| 22:35.52 | EduardeCalibal | Strange, if I use the command eject dont have alerts. |
| 22:37.33 | moldovean | /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 22:37.37 | s5s | is there a tool to auto-mount usb devices without me having to edit udev etc? I'm running fluxbox but I sure enjoyed gnome's automounting |
| 22:37.50 | moldovean | !automount |
| 22:37.50 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 22:38.37 | s5s | moldovean: if I ask can I make it not flood the channel? |
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| 22:39.27 | s5s | !usb mount |
| 22:39.27 | dpkg | methinks usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>. |
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| 22:40.11 | s5s | !halevt |
| 22:40.12 | dpkg | well, halevt is a clean-room rewrite of <ivman> which is a generic handler for <hal> events. Amongst other things, it mount devices when they are attached to the system. |
| 22:40.16 | moldovean | s5s, /msg dpkg selftell |
| 22:40.21 | EduardeCalibal | modovean, moment. |
| 22:40.34 | honeypuck | For activating & shutting down LVMs on startup and shutdown: Do I have to adapt the files /etc/init.d/boot (that is what it is called on SUSE, but couldn't find it in /etc/init.d on my Debian, maybe you can help me, what the exact name is) and /etc/init.d/halt to have my OS do that automatically? Other solutions are also appreciated! |
| 22:42.04 | EduardeCalibal | modovean, same error, your line is close to the actual line here... |
| 22:42.15 | EduardeCalibal | I think in some type of permission rights... |
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| 22:43.55 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, /msg dpkg gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:44.30 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, or see automount bot message above |
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| 22:45.59 | EduardeCalibal | automount is disabled. |
| 22:46.05 | EduardeCalibal | The manual mount dont work to... |
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| 22:46.17 | EduardeCalibal | Well... Work with root. |
| 22:46.36 | moldovean | disabled by ? |
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| 22:46.54 | EduardeCalibal | I disabled it. I dont like |
| 22:46.55 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
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| 22:47.20 | Metaphysicist | What are some recommended FPS games for Debian? |
| 22:47.56 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, that ok , but add users to plugdev |
| 22:48.08 | wooden | Metaphysicist: commercial or free? |
| 22:48.08 | EduardeCalibal | Metaphysicist, you know Tremulous? |
| 22:48.20 | Metaphysicist | Free, tried Tremulous, wasn't my kind of game, too much strategy involved. |
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| 22:48.28 | mynx | Having issues trying to get a s3virge running, :/ |
| 22:48.31 | EduardeCalibal | You need only shot? |
| 22:48.37 | honeypuck | Anyone an idea on activating/shutting down LVMs? |
| 22:48.47 | mynx | This is my xorg.conf |
| 22:48.48 | EduardeCalibal | I already tested many, but now dont remember the names... I try remember. |
| 22:48.55 | EduardeCalibal | moldovean, I try it. |
| 22:48.59 | Metaphysicist | May give Nexuiz a go. |
| 22:49.04 | mynx | This is my xorg.0.log. http://pastebin.com/9XLV5G6x |
| 22:49.13 | wooden | Metaphysicist: as far as commercial games, i can say that the linux port of Prey from icculus.org works great. Also there are native linux versions of the Quake games. |
| 22:49.15 | EduardeCalibal | Already am member of this group. |
| 22:49.23 | mynx | It keeps telling me (WW) S3VIRGE: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@2:2:0) found |
| 22:49.45 | EduardeCalibal | moldovean, the mount command return with the message about "need be root" |
| 22:49.57 | mynx | at line 148 of my drvpmf [sdyrnom/ |
| 22:50.11 | mynx | Sorr,y heres my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/gvAtujmr |
| 22:50.11 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, paste your fstab |
| 22:50.21 | EduardeCalibal | Dont is problem with fstab... |
| 22:50.23 | s5s | Metaphysicist: alien arena, tremulous, Nexuiz |
| 22:50.26 | EduardeCalibal | Next possibility? |
| 22:50.41 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, just paste your fstab |
| 22:50.44 | EduardeCalibal | -.- |
| 22:50.55 | EduardeCalibal | I lost many time doing this type of things... |
| 22:51.14 | EduardeCalibal | I have many machines here, and have same fstab and with this dont work. |
| 22:51.17 | EduardeCalibal | Dont is the fstab. |
| 22:51.24 | EduardeCalibal | root mount... |
| 22:51.29 | EduardeCalibal | Normal user dont mount. |
| 22:51.33 | EduardeCalibal | Same command. |
| 22:51.40 | debiantonio | pmount? |
| 22:51.45 | EduardeCalibal | pmount? |
| 22:51.47 | EduardeCalibal | oO |
| 22:52.00 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, id , of user |
| 22:52.04 | Artemis121 | jelly-home: creating 15000mb with " screen dd if=/dev/zero of=test.img bs=1M count=15000" works.. no errors.. but copying 12gb via samba = problem("Beim Zugriff auf xyz ist ein Problem aufgetreten" -problem occured while accessing file xyz)... ok.. and i got something in varlogmessages: http://pastebin.com/YL5igNty |
| 22:52.13 | EduardeCalibal | I try this pmount, moment. |
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| 22:52.50 | debiantonio | ....permits normal users to mount removable devices without a matching /etc/fstab.... |
| 22:52.52 | EduardeCalibal | pmount return same message. |
| 22:52.58 | EduardeCalibal | Very strange... |
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| 22:54.55 | EduardeCalibal | moldovean, id of user? You have a idea? |
| 22:55.23 | moldovean | type id , as user , in xterm .. |
| 22:56.40 | EduardeCalibal | I have this problem with many users... All, only work with root. |
| 22:56.46 | EduardeCalibal | This command return many data... |
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| 22:57.00 | EduardeCalibal | codes and groups. |
| 22:57.12 | moldovean | paste here |
| 22:57.18 | debiantonio | fstab ? |
| 22:58.02 | EduardeCalibal | uid=1000(username) gid=1000(username) grupos=1000(username),6(disk),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),109(powerdev) |
| 22:58.15 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, uname -r , says |
| 22:58.34 | EduardeCalibal | Now some nice informations... |
| 22:58.36 | EduardeCalibal | 2.6.31-14-generic |
| 22:58.38 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 22:58.48 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, go #ubuntu |
| 22:59.01 | EduardeCalibal | This dont is a ubuntu... |
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| 22:59.05 | EduardeCalibal | Next idea? |
| 22:59.26 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.44 | debiantonio | .../dev ? |
| 22:59.46 | EduardeCalibal | Here I have a 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 22:59.50 | EduardeCalibal | Pure debian. |
| 22:59.56 | debiantonio | here 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 23:00.02 | debiantonio | stable |
| 23:00.13 | EduardeCalibal | Here is full unstable. :D |
| 23:00.34 | EduardeCalibal | But dont is this the problem, I have many kernels to load, same trouble with more than one... |
| 23:00.37 | EduardeCalibal | I dont try all. |
| 23:00.55 | debiantonio | many riscs, many work, stable is fine |
| 23:01.22 | EduardeCalibal | But, maybe, I only need change some in some place. But I need some logs. I dont found logs... |
| 23:01.26 | EduardeCalibal | This is my problem. |
| 23:02.15 | debiantonio | here cx2038 boot error, driver is /lib/firmware...but boot error |
| 23:02.18 | EduardeCalibal | Strange, my unstable server is more operational than my stable machines... |
| 23:02.35 | debiantonio | hum??? |
| 23:02.46 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, stop trolling please |
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| 23:02.53 | EduardeCalibal | What? |
| 23:02.59 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.00 | EduardeCalibal | I dont say nothing... |
| 23:03.02 | moldovean | 3 |
| 23:03.02 | debiantonio | one day crash!!! |
| 23:03.24 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, is it, one day crash. But not now. :D |
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| 23:03.55 | jez9999 | hi ppl |
| 23:03.58 | debiantonio | have many installs sid...always crash |
| 23:03.58 | EduardeCalibal | moldovean, you area trolling, saying "go #ubunt" any time... |
| 23:04.08 | jez9999 | im having a problem mounting a PATA drive i just plugged in before booting |
| 23:04.09 | jez9999 | :-\ |
| 23:04.15 | EduardeCalibal | Dont try change the positions here... |
| 23:04.17 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. |
| 23:04.24 | jez9999 | when i try to mount it from the Computer section, i get the error: |
| 23:04.25 | jez9999 | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 23:04.25 | jez9999 | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on / |
| 23:04.26 | jez9999 | mount failed |
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| 23:04.35 | jez9999 | any ideas why? |
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| 23:04.51 | debiantonio | type partitions? |
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| 23:05.08 | debiantonio | vfat ext3 reiserfs vefat??? |
| 23:05.18 | debiantonio | ops, vfat |
| 23:05.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | jez9999: pastebin 'mount' and 'sudo fdisk -l' |
| 23:05.50 | jpinx-eeepc | jez9999: identify the drive with fdisk -l |
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| 23:06.22 | debiantonio | grub loader? |
| 23:06.24 | jez9999 | it seems to be /dev/sda1 |
| 23:06.26 | matt8686 | Under Debian installation, there is a "hostname" option. What does this mean? Is it just a computer name or is it used somewhere(by some applications etc? |
| 23:06.32 | jez9999 | yet my / drive is already mounted as that |
| 23:06.34 | pfred1 | can anyone here help me with a problem with xfig and fonts? |
| 23:06.44 | moldovean | EduardeCalibal, see 01:02<moldovean> go #ubuntu , twice |
| 23:06.46 | EduardeCalibal | I think "On /" you say? You try mount the root system again, maybe is it. Provable. |
| 23:06.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | matt8686: its not 'just' a computer name, no |
| 23:07.01 | EduardeCalibal | moldovean, and? |
| 23:07.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | jez9999: give us the details we asked for if you want us to help you :) |
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| 23:07.14 | debiantonio | ip machines? |
| 23:07.45 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.57 | jez9999 | Kamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/LgbucPc3 |
| 23:08.06 | stew | matt8686: yes its a computer name. It will be used in various places. it can also easily be changed later |
| 23:08.06 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: do you have a debian question? |
| 23:08.10 | matt8686 | Kamping_Kaiser: ok, if it's not just description/computer_name, than do you mean, that some applications use it? |
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| 23:08.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | matt8686: anything which involves netwrok services will likely be using the hostname |
| 23:08.44 | matt8686 | stew: yes, using "hostname new_name". However, it has nothing to do with DNS? |
| 23:08.54 | stew | matt8686: nothing to do with dns |
| 23:09.08 | moldovean | waits for ops to kick EduardeCalibal |
| 23:09.15 | EduardeCalibal | jpinx-eeepc, This is a Debian, question, ubunto is Debian and this system is installed from debian repositories... I dont have the power to mount the cdrom |
| 23:09.24 | pfred1 | jez9999 pretty neat you're running Linux on NTFS? |
| 23:09.30 | jez9999 | pfred1: no. |
| 23:09.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | jez9999: how big is the drive you just plugged in? |
| 23:09.35 | EduardeCalibal | and the root mount ok. |
| 23:09.41 | matt8686 | Kamping_Kaiser: is hostname associated with loop-back address by default? |
| 23:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: you are running ubuntu - go and ask there |
| 23:09.43 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.45 | debiantonio | no....Ubunto is not 100% debian!!! |
| 23:09.49 | stew | matt8686: it will be automatically added to /etc/hosts, which will be used to resolve the hostname to 127.0.1.1, but this is separate from DNS |
| 23:09.54 | debiantonio | its clone |
| 23:09.54 | EduardeCalibal | Is only a kernel. |
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| 23:10.03 | jez9999 | 120GB |
| 23:10.07 | pfred1 | debiantonio maybe not but xfig at least works in it ;0 |
| 23:10.11 | EduardeCalibal | I update some times to try solve this problem. |
| 23:10.14 | debiantonio | maybe |
| 23:10.40 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: if you are running debian you might get help here |
| 23:10.40 | debiantonio | my driver cx2038 its same |
| 23:10.58 | EduardeCalibal | I only need restart and load another kernel... |
| 23:11.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | jez9999: weird. i can't explain that |
| 23:11.37 | pfred1 | EduardeCalibal I tried that with my problem and if it'd have worked I wouldn't be here |
| 23:11.44 | EduardeCalibal | What is the last stable version of Debian kernel? |
| 23:11.56 | debiantonio | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 23:12.02 | EduardeCalibal | Moment... |
| 23:12.04 | debiantonio | my pc |
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| 23:12.12 | pfred1 | my sharona |
| 23:12.19 | debiantonio | P4 3.0 |
| 23:12.50 | pfred1 | debiantonio you have more GiggleHurtz than I do! |
| 23:12.55 | matt8686 | stew: ok. But aren't network services usually associated with 127.0.0.1 not with 127.0.1.1? |
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| 23:13.01 | jez9999 | how the heck is mount thinking that /dev/sda1 is the root filesystem |
| 23:13.07 | jez9999 | i mount /dev/sdb1 and i get the root filesystem |
| 23:13.11 | jez9999 | sigh |
| 23:13.15 | pfred1 | jez9999 hal is messing with you |
| 23:13.19 | stew | matt8686: yes, but 127.x.x.x can all talk to 127.0.0.1 without problems |
| 23:13.21 | debiantonio | permissions????? |
| 23:13.32 | EduardeCalibal | This kernlel, 2.6.26-2-686 is the same 486? |
| 23:13.33 | pfred1 | hates hal! |
| 23:13.37 | debiantonio | xrwxrw--- |
| 23:13.42 | jez9999 | how do i fix it pfred1 |
| 23:13.54 | debiantonio | here Pentium 4 3.0 |
| 23:14.01 | Artemis121 | jelly-home: thanks for your help! |
| 23:14.01 | pfred1 | jez9999 you have to edit out the persistant saves for hal |
| 23:14.18 | pfred1 | jez9999 I ran into it all changing a network card |
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| 23:14.38 | jez9999 | so /dev/sda1 used to actually be my main drive |
| 23:14.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | hal i haven't dealt with, but dbus does the same stuff :\ |
| 23:14.43 | jez9999 | but now it isnt but hal still thinks it is |
| 23:15.05 | pfred1 | jez9999 hal remembers hardware and makes configuration files that make hardware stick around its strange |
| 23:15.11 | stew | you guys are all thinking of udev, hal is just something that sits on top of udev and talks dbus |
| 23:15.20 | stew | pfred1: this isn't how it works for hard drives |
| 23:15.31 | pfred1 | jez9999 in theory it sounds handy but when you go swapping hardware it makes strange things happen |
| 23:15.42 | stew | jez9999: which drive are you expecting to be your / partition if not /dev/sda1? |
| 23:15.45 | jez9999 | i didnt even swap stuff i just added a PATA drive |
| 23:15.50 | jpinx-eeepc | jez9999: what's your /etc/fstab say? |
| 23:15.57 | jez9999 | stew: by the looks of fdisk -l, /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:16.13 | pfred1 | stew oh I'm sure hal will start remembering HDDs someday too |
| 23:16.34 | jez9999 | fstab is http://pastebin.com/pzfQPWxm |
| 23:17.10 | EduardeCalibal | How know if a Image is from the Debian core or if is from another place? |
| 23:17.18 | EduardeCalibal | Like it "linux-image-2.6.18-6-486" |
| 23:17.24 | EduardeCalibal | Debian? |
| 23:17.54 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: please go to #ubuntu before you get banned here |
| 23:18.10 | stew | EduardeCalibal: you have a .deb? |
| 23:18.12 | stew | EduardeCalibal: or what? |
| 23:18.34 | EduardeCalibal | What you is saying? I have computers here with many debians, this machine is with debian... I only install debian... |
| 23:18.51 | jez9999 | stew: no ideas? |
| 23:18.59 | pfred1 | last PC I tried to install debian on the install died on it repeatedly |
| 23:19.02 | stew | EduardeCalibal: you'll get better help if you ask more specific, directed questions |
| 23:19.09 | debiantonio | ppa not .deb? |
| 23:19.18 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: that version of debian is no longer supported |
| 23:19.40 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, Debian, this is my old kernel in this machine, and have the same problem. |
| 23:19.47 | stew | jez9999: we'd recommend you refer to partitions by uuid instead of name sinc uuids won't change as hardware is added: /msg dpkg uuid |
| 23:19.50 | EduardeCalibal | I am updating now to 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:20.00 | debiantonio | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 23:20.01 | stew | EduardeCalibal: what version of debian are you actually running? |
| 23:20.09 | EduardeCalibal | In my pc? |
| 23:20.18 | stew | EduardeCalibal: of course |
| 23:20.21 | EduardeCalibal | 2.6.31-14-generic |
| 23:20.27 | EduardeCalibal | Debian? |
| 23:20.30 | pfred1 | EduardeCalibal lenny etch |
| 23:20.32 | stew | EduardeCalibal: that's not a debian version |
| 23:20.44 | EduardeCalibal | But this come from debian repository... |
| 23:20.46 | stew | EduardeCalibal: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report, for instance? |
| 23:20.50 | stew | EduardeCalibal: no, it didn't |
| 23:20.53 | jez9999 | stew: can i mount using a uuid? |
| 23:20.56 | peterrooney | EduardeCalibal: That is from Ubuntu 9 (Karmic Koala) |
| 23:21.01 | debiantonio | man...its Ububtu!!!! |
| 23:21.01 | peterrooney | !based on debian |
| 23:21.02 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 23:21.05 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: please go to #ubuntu before you get banned here |
| 23:21.11 | EduardeCalibal | -.- |
| 23:21.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | peterrooney: 9.what? ;) |
| 23:21.20 | debiantonio | go go go!!! |
| 23:21.24 | debiantonio | #ubuntu |
| 23:21.26 | stew | jez9999: yes, instead of /dev/sda1 you'd use UUID=xxxxxxx, you can discover uuids by looking at "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" |
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| 23:21.28 | EduardeCalibal | Someone send a list of this kernels please? |
| 23:21.34 | peterrooney | Kamping_Kaiser: 9.10 |
| 23:21.53 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.58 | stew | EduardeCalibal: /msg judd kernels |
| 23:21.59 | debiantonio | aptitude searche kernel |
| 23:22.06 | debiantonio | ops |
| 23:22.10 | stew | EduardeCalibal: please tell me what version "dpkg -l libc6" returns |
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| 23:22.21 | EduardeCalibal | libc6, moment. |
| 23:22.23 | debiantonio | aptitude search kernel |
| 23:22.30 | c03 | hi, how do I upgrade to the newest kernel in an easy way? |
| 23:22.37 | EduardeCalibal | 2.11.2-2 |
| 23:22.46 | jez9999 | mount UUID=000000004BD5DBE9 /media/hahaha/ |
| 23:22.48 | jez9999 | woo that worked |
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| 23:22.51 | aFlag | hello, is there a way to tell linux to execute some command when it wakes up from suspend on ram? |
| 23:22.54 | jez9999 | why are we still using the sd* crap? :-) |
| 23:22.56 | pfred1 | c03 wait for it to be pckaged in the distribution |
| 23:22.56 | EduardeCalibal | Ops, this is from the second pc. |
| 23:23.16 | c03 | pfred1: okay. how do I downgrade to gcc 4.1.3 then? =) |
| 23:23.18 | EduardeCalibal | My pc have libc6 2.11.2-2 to. |
| 23:23.59 | pfred1 | c03 why downgrade you can have as many gcc's as you please installed |
| 23:23.59 | debiantonio | here 2.7-18lenny4 |
| 23:24.23 | stew | EduardeCalibal: and can you explain EXACTLY what the problem is? you are executing _some command_ and you expexting ____ to happen, but insteadn ___ happens? |
| 23:24.48 | EduardeCalibal | Now I am waiting the kernel update... I inform if the problem persist... |
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| 23:24.57 | peterrooney | EduardeCalibal: if you take debian advice and apply it to an ubuntu system, you shall break your system - and have no sympathy from ubuntu users or debian users. Please, either /join #ubuntu or install debian. |
| 23:25.05 | stew | c03: 4.1.3 isn't in debian yet, 4.1.2 is, which should be compatible, and in the gcc-4.1 package |
| 23:25.10 | EduardeCalibal | This dont is a ubuntu... -.- |
| 23:25.18 | stew | peterrooney: he doesn't appear to be running ubuntu |
| 23:25.25 | EduardeCalibal | I have many repositories, some from ubuntu. |
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| 23:25.47 | stew | EduardeCalibal: mixing packages from debian and ubuntu is not recommended nor supported |
| 23:25.49 | pfred1 | stew so now debian frowns on installing anything not packaged? |
| 23:25.50 | jpinx-eeepc | hard to tell sometimes ;) |
| 23:26.00 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, I have this information. |
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| 23:26.03 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
| 23:26.08 | stew | pfred1: not that I've heard, why? |
| 23:26.37 | EduardeCalibal | Now I have 504 lines in sources.list. I need delete some one day... |
| 23:26.43 | pfred1 | stew just how I read your reply to c03 is all |
| 23:26.45 | c03 | stew: my kernel was compiled with 4.1.3 |
| 23:26.47 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, kernel is here. I test now. |
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| 23:27.32 | stew | c03: modules compiled with 4.1.2 will work with a kenrel compiled with 4.1.3 |
| 23:27.42 | abrotman | can't even contemplate where to get 504 legitimate and useful sources |
| 23:27.46 | c03 | ok |
| 23:27.46 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.04 | debiantonio | hahahahah |
| 23:28.22 | debiantonio | 504? |
| 23:28.27 | EduardeCalibal | Is a big amount of things... Many commented. But is necessary to reference... |
| 23:28.37 | EduardeCalibal | apt-get update need many time. |
| 23:28.50 | stew | EduardeCalibal: do you have an actual question? |
| 23:28.59 | pfred1 | stew I do |
| 23:29.00 | EduardeCalibal | Still waiting the reboot. |
| 23:29.13 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: use aptitude - not apt-get |
| 23:29.20 | c03 | how do I set gcc to use gcc-4.1 ? |
| 23:29.25 | debiantonio | always aptitude |
| 23:29.34 | EduardeCalibal | Dont is possible, if I use aptitude this program try remove 200~800 packages. |
| 23:29.47 | pfred1 | needs help with xfig and this error "Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-times-bold-r-normal--16 ... " |
| 23:29.50 | stew | c03: don't, just call it as /usr/bin/gcc-4.1, a well written makefile will look for a CC environment variable, |
| 23:30.05 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: aptitude is trying to tell you something about your system ;) |
| 23:30.07 | stew | c03: like "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" before compiling, FE |
| 23:30.14 | debiantonio | unmark ??? |
| 23:30.15 | c03 | stew: vmware server's configure isn't well written =) |
| 23:30.18 | c03 | apparently |
| 23:30.21 | EduardeCalibal | aptitude is a evil sofware. :D |
| 23:30.26 | stew | c03: not suprising |
| 23:30.28 | debiantonio | unmark "new" |
| 23:30.48 | debiantonio | aptitude --help |
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| 23:31.27 | lgbr | is portmap deprecated now? I thought there was some successor? |
| 23:32.00 | c03 | stew: awesome, it found my CC. aaand compiling =) |
| 23:32.25 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: sorry forget-new |
| 23:32.44 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: aptitude forget-new |
| 23:32.45 | pfred1 | c03 envoronment variables are a many splendored thing |
| 23:33.21 | c03 | What is the CC anyway? |
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| 23:33.35 | stew | c03: c programming language compiler |
| 23:33.37 | pfred1 | C Compiler |
| 23:33.45 | c03 | ah, okay |
| 23:33.54 | c03 | mine wasn't even set |
| 23:34.03 | pfred1 | why do I have a 4327 line long environment? |
| 23:34.20 | stew | c03: that's the usually situation, which would end up using /usr/bin/gcc |
| 23:34.25 | stew | ^usually^usual |
| 23:34.26 | pfred1 | there is just somehting plain wrong with that picture! |
| 23:34.57 | c03 | k |
| 23:35.14 | pfred1 | what is going on with Debian's environment settings? |
| 23:35.56 | matt8686 | stew: Ok, so as I understand, "hostname" is important only for local services as hostname matches 127.0.1.1/8? And 'hostname' is important only for those local network services, which are associated with 127.0.1.1? I mean if http server is started in 127.0.0.1(localhost) I don't see any idea, why hostname should be important.. |
| 23:35.57 | pfred1 | set | wc -l returns 4327 that just seems a bit extreme to me |
| 23:36.20 | pfred1 | matt8686 no hostname is bad juju |
| 23:36.30 | stew | matt8686: its not typically too important |
| 23:37.16 | matt8686 | stew: ok. But do you understand this the same way? |
| 23:37.49 | stew | matt8686: the local network services are typically associated with 127.0.0.1 not 127.0.1.1 |
| 23:38.52 | pfred1 | is 127.0.1.1 the broadcast addy? |
| 23:39.36 | debiantonio | network servers do not listen on 127.0.1.1 bug Ubuntu |
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| 23:40.06 | stew | pfred1: no, 127.255.255.255 is |
| 23:40.06 | debiantonio | 10.04 LTS |
| 23:40.13 | stew | debiantonio: what about ubuntu now? |
| 23:40.20 | pfred1 | debiantonio I had terrible network problems a couple weeks ago |
| 23:40.24 | debiantonio | bug reprot |
| 23:40.35 | debiantonio | bug report |
| 23:40.39 | stew | debiantonio: what are you talking abaout? |
| 23:40.58 | c03 | thanks for the help guys |
| 23:40.59 | c03 | nn |
| 23:41.13 | debiantonio | 127.0.1.1 !!! |
| 23:41.19 | stew | debiantonio: what about it? |
| 23:41.23 | pfred1 | ubuntu is OK but a bit of a resource hog |
| 23:41.28 | debiantonio | network servers do not listen on 127.0.1.1 |
| 23:41.33 | abrotman | debiantonio: this isn't #ubuntu, why would we care about 10.04 ? |
| 23:41.33 | debiantonio | on Ubuntu |
| 23:41.46 | stew | debiantonio: right, that's what I said. i told him that his hostname would be mapped to 127.0.1.1 in /etc/hosts |
| 23:41.55 | debiantonio | yes |
| 23:42.03 | debiantonio | ok |
| 23:42.25 | pfred1 | abrotman can we try to be a bit more inclusive and a tad less exclusive shall we? |
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| 23:42.47 | stew | pfred1: no, he's right, this is the wrong place to be talking about ubuntu |
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| 23:43.01 | jpinx-eeepc | pfred1: we do not care about ubuntu |
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| 23:43.32 | pfred1 | jpinx-eeepc yeah who cares about a distro that overnight grew 10X what Debian could? |
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| 23:43.48 | jpinx-eeepc | pfred1: neither do we care if debian grows |
| 23:43.52 | abrotman | pfred1: if you want to discuss Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
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| 23:45.44 | debiantonio | no more ubunto, i'm not use ubuntu, i'm debianmaniac |
| 23:45.54 | debiantonio | :) |
| 23:47.46 | EduardeCalibal | debiantonio, I registred your tip. Thanks., |
| 23:47.58 | debiantonio | ok! |
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| 23:48.17 | EduardeCalibal | After the kernel update... System dont boot. Many trouble. I try repair with a life CD... |
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| 23:48.45 | abrotman | did you update the whole system, or just the kernel ? |
| 23:48.46 | matt8686 | stew: ok. One more question- am I correct, that hostname is used only for local services if they are associated with IP address 127.0.1.1? I mean it's not possible to do "ping hostname" from another computer in the same LAN and get responses from other computer? |
| 23:49.24 | stew | matt8686: for "ping hostname" to work from another computer, that other computer needs to have an /etc/hosts entry or some dns server to resolve the name to an ip |
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| 23:50.26 | matt8686 | stew: Thanks!! |
| 23:50.28 | abrotman | does winbind count as DNS ? |
| 23:51.11 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:51.59 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: did you run update on the whole system? |
| 23:52.14 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.28 | EduardeCalibal | But the tool who config boot make some wrong. |
| 23:52.34 | stew | EduardeCalibal: what does "aptitude search -F'%V' '~i'| grep ntu | wc -l " return ? |
| 23:52.34 | jpinx-eeepc | EduardeCalibal: try it and see if your problem persists |
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| 23:52.57 | EduardeCalibal | I dont have system now to test commands, sorry. |
| 23:53.02 | EduardeCalibal | I try fix it. Cya guys. |
| 23:53.10 | gnarface | hey anyone know if a .s3m file can be converted to midi? |
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| 23:54.26 | ScottG | So I have this sd card that is acting REALLY strange. Whenever I use any sort of program that tries to read from it in any way, the program completely freezes up. So much so that the program won't even terminate with a kill -9 |
| 23:54.39 | beardy | gnarface: I doubt it. |
| 23:54.47 | abrotman | ScottG: for starters, is the data on the card important ? |
| 23:54.52 | odla | hi anyone know a place to get debian stickers for a laptop? I'd like to replace my windows 7 sticker with a debian sticker. i've tried googling but i can't seem to find anything that's either current or what i want |
| 23:54.59 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: is the card a bit old? |
| 23:55.01 | ScottG | abrotman: No, I just want to make it usable |
| 23:55.15 | abrotman | ScottG: tried a reformat of the card? |
| 23:55.16 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: No, quite new. Got it last christmas |
| 23:55.42 | ScottG | abrotman: I tried a mkfs.ext2 and it froze up half the way through. Right now that mkfs program won't terminate even to a kill -9 |
| 23:56.00 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: what fs is on it? |
| 23:56.04 | beardy | odla: If you can't find anything searching, search for any other sticker maker that makes custom ones and make it like you want it. |
| 23:56.20 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Well nothing now since I did a dd if=/dev/zero |
| 23:56.25 | abrotman | odla: cafepress.com |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | ScottG: checked dmesg for errors ? |
| 23:57.06 | odla | beardy: good idea |
| 23:57.15 | odla | abrotman: i looked there but didn't really see anything that i wanted |
| 23:57.15 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: what size of card and what hardware to read it? |
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| 23:57.42 | abrotman | odla: i'm not going to look through all of them, but they do have a decent selection |
| 23:58.01 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: It's a 2gb sd card and I am using an SD card reader built into my laptop |
| 23:58.19 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: eeepc? |
| 23:58.23 | abrotman | be nice if the website actually had the dimesions of the sticker |
| 23:58.47 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: No, Dell Studio 15 |
| 23:59.16 | Daniel_Jackson | Hello, i don't find a solution to get my Debian Webserver to work how i want. Can some one give me an idea where i must be search, to turn on that PHP can automatic download and update a CMS without configure a FTP-Layer in the CMS?d |
| 23:59.25 | simonrvn | not everything is an eeepc jpinx-eeepc ;p |
| 23:59.28 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: ok - just checking;) try to mkfs.vfat |
| 23:59.44 | ScottG | abrotman: jpinx-eeepc: Yea dmesg is spewing errors like this like crazy: [ 7660.793270] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6563864 |
| 23:59.58 | abrotman | ScottG: bad reader, or bad card |